The dissents are rather stupefying.

HHH

I give up, where do I go to turn off/block any posting to the list which is NOT plain text? the above is hell on my copy of Agent. have to try to read it in a reply mode. would rather not be running such thru a stripper program. thanks chas -- powered by Linux, Suse 8.2 Pro + Agent under Wine emulator Charles L Hamilton, Houston, TX chasm @ texas. net www.schuetzen.net From Thomas at travelhacker.com Wed May 7 17:58:13 2003 From: Thomas at travelhacker.com (Thomas at travelhacker.com) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 08:58:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for a file in Mailman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030507085414.02997ea8@spamarrest.com> At the end of each message (Digest form) there is a '------------------------------------' to separate the message from the next one. What file is this found in as I would like to change it to something else. Thanks, Thomas From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Wed May 7 18:10:48 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 16:10:48 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Form mail results OT, I think.... Message-ID: <1052323667.1353.11.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> I would like to know, how I can take the contents of a form mail, and insert them into a MySQL database. I'm not sure that this is the right place to ask, but I'm confident that people here have had to something similar. Sorry for the off topic post, but I would be grateful for a solution. Thanks in advance! From support at tentra.com Wed May 7 18:31:56 2003 From: support at tentra.com (Tentra Support Staff) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 16:31:56 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Form mail results OT, I think.... In-Reply-To: <1052323667.1353.11.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> References: <1052323667.1353.11.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Message-ID: <1052325112.6622.12.camel@rhea.office.tentra.com> I am working on the same thing this week and will be using PHP to submit names to both a MySQL database and a Mailman list. Is your MySQL database already in place? David Blomquist On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 11:07, Angel Gabriel wrote: > I would like to know, how I can take the contents of a form mail, and > insert them into a MySQL database. I'm not sure that this is the right > place to ask, but I'm confident that people here have had to something > similar. > > Sorry for the off topic post, but I would be grateful for a solution. > > Thanks in advance! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: support at tentra.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/support%40tentra.com From hraftery at myrealbox.com Wed May 7 18:49:57 2003 From: hraftery at myrealbox.com (Heath Raftery) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 02:49:57 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allowing administrivia to work Message-ID: I wrote a little while ago asking for some advice about setting up mailman in an environment where the mail server and web server were not actually local. Thank you to those who were able to help. I've managed to come quite aways, despite the difficultly of not being able to serve from the computer running Mailman. I've set up an email address at a free email account site, and have fetchmail successfully fetching mail from that account and delivering it to sendmail, which correctly uses its alias db to pass it on to Mailman. My problem arises when administrivia is sent to the list. I was hoping potential subscribers could send an email to the same address used for posting to the list, but with the word 'subscribe' in the subject, and get subscribed to the list! I was hoping the same might apply for 'unsubscribe' and possibly 'help' and 'who'. I've worked through all the settings, making sure there is no moderation, no user has their moderation flag set, and administrivia is 'Yes'. Still though, messages with subjects such as 'subscribe', 'help' and 'who' get held, waiting for moderator attention, with this reason: "Message may contain administrivia" And, accepting the mail in the administration interface delivers the email to the list! I was hoping the administration (subscribe being the most important one) would be performed. What could possibly be wrong here? Heath -- _____________________________________________________ | Heath Raftery | | hraftery at myrealbox.com | | *I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. | | Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living* | | - Dr. Suess _\|/_ | |____________________________________m(. .)m__________| From paul at thcwd.com Wed May 7 19:23:00 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 12:23:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MM 2.1.1 -> 2.1.2 patch? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030507122014.0343f308@mail.thcwd.com> David Gibbs wrote: >Is there going to be a patch available to move from 2.1.1 to 2.1.2? Just install it over 2.1.1 - worked fine for me. Stop mailmanctl before you install lest it does something rude. <>< Paul From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Wed May 7 19:41:32 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 17:41:32 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from RH7.3 mailman, to current RPM Message-ID: <1052329109.2426.7.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Would it be fine for me to just install the new RPM over the old?? From chasm at texas.net Wed May 7 19:46:38 2003 From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 12:46:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to turn off RTF/html posting to mailman elists??? #2 set up setting?? Message-ID: On Wed, 07 May 2003 10:47:05 -0500, schuetzen wrote: example >

The dissents are rather stupefying.

HHH

I give up, where do I go to turn off/block any posting to the list which is NOT plain text? the above is hell on my copy of Agent. have to try to read it in a reply mode. would rather not be running such thru a stripper program. thanks chas In so far as I can tell, this is a set up switch set while creating the list. v 2.0.13 apparently, the list has to be closed and re created to remove this setting. is that a fair assumption? thanks chas From david at midrange.com Wed May 7 19:44:53 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:44:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MM 2.1.1 -> 2.1.2 patch? References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030507122014.0343f308@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: "Paul H Byerly" wrote in message news:5.2.1.1.0.20030507122014.0343f308 at mail.thcwd.com... > >Is there going to be a patch available to move from 2.1.1 to 2.1.2? > Just install it over 2.1.1 - worked fine for me. Stop mailmanctl > before you install lest it does something rude. But that blows away the modifications I've made in my build directory. david From nfeasey at utpress.utoronto.ca Wed May 7 19:54:01 2003 From: nfeasey at utpress.utoronto.ca (Feasey, Nicholas) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:54:01 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administration link issue? - RESOLVED Message-ID: Sorry, this was not Mailman at all but an issue with the Location directive with Digest in Apache in which it was being too ridged. N -----Original Message----- From: Feasey, Nicholas [mailto:nfeasey at utpress.utoronto.ca] Sent: 6-May-03 4:55 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administration link issue? My apologies is this question has been posted before but I'm obviously missing something and nothing rang true when I looked through the digest. When I click on any of the links in the administration page of a list, for example: Detail for name or Details for owner, etc). I get the following error: Bad request! Your browser (or proxy) sent a request that this server could not understand. If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster Error 400 ...server information follows. http:// Message-ID: I did what you said, the only problem is I cannot save the raw file after editing it, I am NOT SU on this system, I have SSH access to get to the files but they are Owned and grouped by "mailman" so I cannot modify the file. Like I said, There should be a way from the Admin screen to DELETE these and it was a REAL OVERSIGHT not to include it for most people that have the mail list available to them but not SU access. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Wright US2002021042 [mailto:listmod at camarilla.white-wolf.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:41 PM To: edwin at qscomputers.com Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Deleting messages You need to do a couple of things: 1) go into ~mailman/archives/public(or private)/listname.mbox 2) edit the listname.mbox in that directory so the message isn't in the raw file any more. 3) go into ~mailman/bin and do a ./arch --wipe listname to rebuild the archives in pipermail. If you're not using pipermail, you'll have to follow your archiver instructions. On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 20:53, Edwin Sevrence wrote: > How Does one go about deleting messages off the archive list? > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: listmod at camarilla.white-wolf.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/listmod%40camarilla.whi te-wolf.com -- --(Dan Wright)- -- ---- ----------------- --- -- - - -- ANTA: List and Forum Moderation -- AIM: rulesninja -- Email: listmod at camarilla.white-wolf.com -- Web: http://www.elysiumgrounds.com/~listmodmod -- Lists: http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/mailman/listinfo --(US2002021042)-- ---- ------------------------------- --- -- - - From davidnhare at teapottraveler.com Wed May 7 20:17:21 2003 From: davidnhare at teapottraveler.com (pixiedave) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 18:17:21 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] freebsd 4.7 sendmail and mailman Message-ID: <200305071817.21623.davidnhare@teapottraveler.com> hey all, I just installed mailman on freebsd 4.7 running sendmail. I think I have it mostly set up, ie you van interface the web aspect of mailman http://www.teapottraveler.com/listinfo I think all im missing is updating my aliases file, but can not find examples to work from in any of the documentation i have read. I am probably reading to closely, but am stumped. If someone could send me a aliases example entry, i would appreciate it dave. You Never Blow Your Trip Forever From davidnhare at teapottraveler.com Wed May 7 20:24:39 2003 From: davidnhare at teapottraveler.com (pixiedave) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 18:24:39 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] freebsd 4.7 sendmail and mailman In-Reply-To: <200305071817.21623.davidnhare@teapottraveler.com> References: <200305071817.21623.davidnhare@teapottraveler.com> Message-ID: <200305071824.39761.davidnhare@teapottraveler.com> sorry www.teapottraveler.com/mailman/listinfo From wheakory at isu.edu Thu May 8 00:33:41 2003 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 16:33:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Administrative requests functions Message-ID: <3EB989C5.9080907@isu.edu> I receive this below error when I go into the Administrative Interface and check "Preserve messsages for the site administrator" and then I check the discard option. Once I click submit this is what I receive below. BUG in Mailman version 2.1.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 163, in main process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 681, in process_form forward, forwardaddr) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 184, in HandleRequest forward, addr) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 262, in __handlepost msg = cPickle.load(fp) ValueError: could not convert string to float -- Kory Wheatley Academic Computing Analyst Sr. Phone 282-3874 ######################################### Everything must point to him. From wfroning at uop.edu Thu May 8 00:45:26 2003 From: wfroning at uop.edu (Will Froning) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 15:45:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] freebsd 4.7 sendmail and mailman In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030507154526.2cf6301a.wfroning@uop.edu> ## mailman mailing list ## created: 22-Jan-2003 wfroning mailman: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman" mailman-admin: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman" mailman-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman" mailman-confirm: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman" mailman-join: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman" mailman-leave: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman" mailman-owner: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman" mailman-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman" mailman-subscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman" mailman-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman" On Wed, 07 May 2003 18:39:02 -0400 mailman-users-request at python.org wrote: > From: pixiedave > To: mailman-users at python.org > Reply-To: davidnhare at teapottraveler.com > Subject: [Mailman-Users] freebsd 4.7 sendmail and mailman > Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 18:17:21 +0000 > > hey all, I just installed mailman on freebsd 4.7 running sendmail. > > I think I have it mostly set up, ie you van interface the web aspect > of mailman http://www.teapottraveler.com/listinfo > I think all im missing is updating my aliases file, but can not find > examples to work from in any of the documentation i have read. I am > probably reading to closely, but am stumped. If someone could send me > a aliases example entry, i would appreciate it dave. > > You Never Blow Your Trip Forever > > > > From: pixiedave > To: mailman-users at python.org > Reply-To: davidnhare at teapottraveler.com > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] freebsd 4.7 sendmail and mailman > Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 18:24:39 +0000 > > sorry www.teapottraveler.com/mailman/listinfo > -- Will Froning Unix Sys. Admin. (209)946-7470 (209)662-4725 wfroning at uop.edu From jfcessor at aznetgate.net Thu May 8 01:22:22 2003 From: jfcessor at aznetgate.net (John Cessor) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:22:22 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] freebsd 4.7 sendmail and mailman References: <200305071817.21623.davidnhare@teapottraveler.com> <200305071824.39761.davidnhare@teapottraveler.com> Message-ID: <002d01c314ef$88fd0b50$0d01a8c0@AZNG13> I have included an example from my alias file. I also am running mailman on FreeBSD 4.7. I found if you log into the server and use the script newlist it will print each of the aliases you need on the screen for you so all you have to do is cut and paste. JohnC ## mailman mailing list mailman: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman" mailman-admin: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman" mailman-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman" mailman-confirm: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman" mailman-join: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman" mailman-leave: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman" mailman-owner: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman" mailman-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman" mailman-subscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman" mailman-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman" ----- Original Message ----- From: "pixiedave" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] freebsd 4.7 sendmail and mailman > sorry www.teapottraveler.com/mailman/listinfo > > From edwin at qscomputers.com Thu May 8 02:11:34 2003 From: edwin at qscomputers.com (Edwin Sevrence) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 17:11:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions Quesions In-Reply-To: <3EB989C5.9080907@isu.edu> Message-ID: 1. Where can I find the latest version of mailman to Download? 2. Can I install mailman if I am not SU? And what DIR does it go into if I can? I am hosted on a computer out of state by a hosting service, the hosting service owner is a friend of mine and might be able to help if I cannot but I need all the feedback I can get on this issue. I am not the only person with a list server being hosted on this server so I don't know if anything I do will effect the whole system or not. From barry at python.org Thu May 8 05:28:08 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 03:28:08 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Date:-headers In-Reply-To: <3EB852E4.2030602@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030506222216.00b115d0@pop3.demon.co.uk> <1052265785.3331.27.camel@anncons> <3EB852E4.2030602@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1052364453.1156.9.camel@geddy> On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 20:27, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > I am with Richard. Following patch fix this and I really don't > understand why this else close is required. The else clause is there to handle formats like: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:58:26 +0800 Notice the single digit in the day field. So commenting out the else clause causes a regression in the test suite. Here's the patch I'm going to check in (along with some test cases). I'll tag email 2.5.2 and check it into Mailman's cvs. Thanks and sorry for the delay, -Barry From jdecarlo at mitre.org Thu May 8 18:14:23 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 12:14:23 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modify email on home page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EBA825F.9090409@mitre.org> Matthieu, 1. If you have webmaster at domaine.com subscribed to the mailman list, all the questions and comments will get to that email address. That way if you have more than one person involved, just subscribe them to that email list. 2. If you really want to change it, you will have to edit the Python script in /Mailman/Cgi/admin.py - you will probably want to do something similar to the listinfo.py file as well. Matthieu HUTIN wrote: > Hello > > Can someone please tell me where or how to change the information found on > the page www.domaine.com/mailman/admin > > I would like to change the following : > Send questions and comments to mailman at www.domaine.com > > to : > Send questions and comments to webmaster at domaine.com > > Or even delete this line (they have info to contact admin from elsewhere) -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From dll at scitools.com Tue May 6 20:44:04 2003 From: dll at scitools.com (Dan Leavitt) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:44:04 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] https question Message-ID: <014a01c313ff$78f6e320$170aa8c0@DELL> I've got http://myserver.com and https://myserver.com both working on a linux/apache server. But, when I use https://myserver.com/mailman/admin to access it the resulting page has numerous links to http://myserver.com. How can I avoid this? Shouldn't all the links continue to access the https server? Is there a mailman or apache config that I've overlooked? Thanks, Dan From dag at sonsorol.org Tue May 6 22:38:24 2003 From: dag at sonsorol.org (Chris Dagdigian) Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 16:38:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] advice needed: shunt problems with MM2.1 and 2.1.2 only on one list out of many Message-ID: <3EB81D40.5060504@sonsorol.org> Hello, {First off thanks for a fantastic package...we've been using MM for several years on bioperl.org} I've got one list out of many on our MM server that has not processed a new email since May 1st. The messages are apparently all in the shunt/ dir and running bin/unshunt just repeats the same traceback errors. Tried googling, tried the archives and tried upgrading from 2.1 to 2.1.2 but I'm still having a serious problem with the bioperl-l at bioperl.org mailing list. It also happens to be our biggest and most active list so I'm starting to get a bit stressed. Google searching on "shunt errors" and "TypeError: iterable argument required" brought me to a page where it was suggested that there was a unicode parsing bug that triggers when subscribers have 8-bit encoded chars. I did find one subscriber who had funky chars in his "name" field and deleted it via the web admin. Running "list_list" verified that the subscriber list looks OK otherwise. Sent a test message to the list and it still got shunted with a traceback error message. The message.pck file is attached. I'll happily supply the .db file if it would be useful. The actual traceback is this: > May 06 16:31:39 2003 (14914) Uncaught runner exception: iterable argument required > May 06 16:31:39 2003 (14914) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose > more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline > sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process > send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_digests > msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257, in process > url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 349, in save_attachment > ext = guess_extension(ctype, fnext) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 80, in guess_extension > if ext in all: > TypeError: iterable argument required > > May 06 16:31:39 2003 (14914) SHUNTING: 1052253095.709591+38e71a4dd22ea87b3961d1aa1c14d08e16d2683c Any advice or pointers would be deeply appreciated. Regards, Chris open-bio.org list admin -- Chris Dagdigian, BioTeam Inc. - Independent Bio-IT & Informatics consulting Office: 617-666-6454, Mobile: 617-877-5498, Fax: 425-699-0193 PGP KeyID: 83D4310E Yahoo IM: craffi Web: http://bioteam.net From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Tue May 6 23:26:33 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 22:26:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Date:-headers Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030506222216.00b115d0@pop3.demon.co.uk> Jon I sent this earlier to Stig petterso at online.no but managed to screw up putting you and mailman-users on the Cc Richard I said to Stig: Stig In response to your original query, I think there may be an issue with the version of email,Utils.parsedate_tz() function that is shipped with Mailman. Mailman ships with the email module version 2.5.1 and MM uses that in preference to any version of the email module that is installed with your Python version. The first form of date you cited is not parsed successfully and pipermail reverts to other alternatives, ultimately using now if all else fails. This looks to be a problem with a standard library module rather than a pipermail problem per se. Whether this is a bug or a feature in email-2.5.1 I have yet to determine. The following results are from running Python on a terminal using Python 2.2.2 and you can see the difference in parsing the date between the version of email that shipped with Python 2.2.2 and the alternative version (which is loaded instead as a result of the import paths statement) which shipped with MM 2.1.2 mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run/bin> python Python 2.2.2 (#3, Feb 11 2003, 16:57:53) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> from email.Utils import parsedate_tz, mktime_tz >>> d1 = '22 Mar 2002 13:26:16 +0100' >>> p1 = parsedate_tz(d1) >>> print p1 (2002, 3, 22, 13, 26, 16, 0, 0, 0, 3600) >>> mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run/bin> python Python 2.2.2 (#3, Feb 11 2003, 16:57:53) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import paths >>> from email.Utils import parsedate_tz, mktime_tz >>> d1 = '22 Mar 2002 13:26:16 +0100' >>> p1 = parsedate_tz(d1) >>> print p1 None >>> mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run/bin> I will take a look at the email.Utils source code and see if I can sort out some sort of patch for this. If I cannot see a solution, I will send Barry Warsaw, who I believe also 'owns' the email module, a problem report. Regards Richard In http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-May/028679.html Stig said; I just upgraded to Mailman 2.1.2 and regenerated my archives. After the process was finished, some messages was given todays date, and was therefor misplaced in the archive hierarcy. It seems to me that Mailman/Pipermail does not understand this kind of date-header: Date: 22 Mar 2002 13:26:16 +0100 while this one is ok: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:08:56 +0100 The first mail is posted using GNUS/Emacs, while the second is posted using Outlook Express. Am I right? Is this a known bug, or is it supposed to be like this? Kind regards, Stig From gharris at mail.nixa.k12.mo.us Wed May 7 16:08:34 2003 From: gharris at mail.nixa.k12.mo.us (Greg Harris) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 14:08:34 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella/Parent Lists Message-ID: <1052316451.2753.75.camel@co-tech-gh.nixa.k12.mo.us> After looking through the many articles on this topic, I am still not seeing a truly dynamic fix. First, I am not very familiar with python programming and this is the first time I have set up a mailing list, so please be forgiving. I am mainly looking at how to allow all users from certain other local lists, to post to a higher list. Let me try to quickly explain. I work in a public school system, so I will use that example. The High School Principal would be in a list which would only include himself and the Assistant Principals, HS-Principals. That list would be covered by a Principals list. The Principals list would be a compilation of the different building principal lists and all principals would be able to post to the Principals list. However, HS-Principals would also be part of HS-Staff. HS-Staff would be an umbrella for the list English, Science, etc. Only HS-Principals would be allowed to send to HS-Staff. Hopefully by now, you can see that this is just using the organizational structure for a creation of Umbrella/Parent lists that would encompass the entire district. Essentially, I want to put each user in only one list, and then use those lists to determine who can write to what lists. Although the initial setup will be huge, the long term management will be much easier than trying to add each person to all the lists that they would be a part of. Rather than using scripts and cron jobs to build lists, it would seem to be a better use of resources to use regular expressions in the accept_these_nonmembers. Unfortunately, I do not have the experience to write these expressions. Has anyone else tried this? Am I completely off my rocker and about to watch it burn? Thanks, Greg Harris From dag at sonsorol.org Wed May 7 21:02:41 2003 From: dag at sonsorol.org (Chris Dagdigian) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 15:02:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: advice needed: shunt problems with MM2.1 and 2.1.2 only on one list out of many Message-ID: <3EB95851.1020308@sonsorol.org> Hello, I'm following up my own message because we seem to have resolved our issue with MM2.1.2 shunting messages with a "TypeError: iterable argument required" traceback. We re-created our list and got email flowing again which was our main concern. Andrew Dalke then had the time to check out the traceback errors and the messages that remaind in the shunt/ directory. He is suggesting a patch or a possible fix so I'm enclosing his entire message here: Our server is an ancient Alpha box running RedHat Linux 6.2 with a clean build of python 2.3. Mailman is 2.1.2 but since we've been using MM for years and upgrade-installing into the same directory I can't promise that our problems were not caused entirely by old cruft laying around.... -Chris Here are the notes from Andrew: > Actually, I didn't get your email about the shunt problem, I got it > about the archive problem. So I'm sending this to you to let > you forward to mailman developers in the proper context > > Here's the traceback > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose > more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline > sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process > send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_digests > msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257, in process > url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 349, in save_attachment > ext = guess_extension(ctype, fnext) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 80, in guess_extension > if ext in all: > TypeError: iterable argument required > > It occurs when Scrubber.guess_extension . The code does > > all = guess_all_extensions(ctype, strict=0) > if ext in all: > return ext > return all and all[0] > > The function 'guess_all_extensions' comes from the top of the > files from the section > > try: > from mimetypes import guess_all_extensions > except ImportError: > import mimetypes > def guess_all_extensions(ctype, strict=1): > # BAW: sigh, guess_all_extensions() is new in Python 2.3 > > We're running Python 2.3, which means we're using the > one from mimetypes. That function's docstring says > > guess_type(). If no extension can be guessed for `type', None > is returned. > > So if no extension can be guessed, then Scrubber.guess_extension > try to iterate over None, which fails > > Our fix to get things working again is > > all = guess_all_extensions(ctype, strict=0) > if all is None: all = [] > if ext in all: > return ext > return all and all[0] > > However, another possibility is that the guess_all_extensions > in Python 2.3's mimetypes should return [] when it cannot > guess, rather than a None. I would be happier with that > solution than this patch, but will leave it up to the Mailman > and Python people to decide on the appropriate solution. > > Andrew Dalke > dalke at dalkescientific.com From pixiedave at teapottraveler.com Wed May 7 19:40:14 2003 From: pixiedave at teapottraveler.com (pixiedave) Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 17:40:14 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman freebsd and sendmail aliases Message-ID: <200305071740.14750.pixiedave@teapottraveler.com> hey all, I just installed mailman on freebsd 4.7 running sendmail. I think I have it mostly set up, ie you van interface the web aspect of mailman http://www.teapottraveler.com/listinfo I think all im missing is updating my aliases file, but can not find examples to work from in any of the documentation i have read. I am probably reading to closely, but am stumped. If someone could send me a aliases example entry, i would appreciate it dave. -- You Never Blow Your Trip Forever From stephane.neron at lmco.com Thu May 8 14:42:19 2003 From: stephane.neron at lmco.com (Neron, Stephane (EXP)) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 08:42:19 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Supported Platforms Message-ID: <09D7541E4EA7DE4A916BF313B6771E8F0E2A5D@EMSS52M02.ca.lmco.com> Good Morning ;-) I'd like to know if Mailman can run on Sparc -Solaris platforms ? Thanks ;-) St?phane From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu May 8 20:21:01 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 19:21:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] https question In-Reply-To: <014a01c313ff$78f6e320$170aa8c0@DELL> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030508190852.042fcf78@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 19:44 06/05/2003, Dan Leavitt wrote: >I've got http://myserver.com and https://myserver.com both working on a >linux/apache server. But, when I use >https://myserver.com/mailman/admin to access it the resulting page >has numerous links to http://myserver.com. > >How can I avoid this? Shouldn't all the links continue to access the >https server? Is there a mailman or apache config that I've >overlooked? > >Thanks, >Dan http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=DEFAULT_URL&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search RTFF :) From jdecarlo at mitre.org Thu May 8 20:26:47 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 14:26:47 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blacklisting Users in Newsletter In-Reply-To: <7E93DD6A089B8642AC58E3B4A8E9657C014479@aussbs01.aus-it.com.au> References: <7E93DD6A089B8642AC58E3B4A8E9657C014479@aussbs01.aus-it.com.au> Message-ID: <3EBAA167.2040306@mitre.org> John, 1. Users set to "nomail" are members of the list but receive no messages. Usually used to allow members to post to members-only lists. But would work for your purposes as well. The scripts to add users will not add users who are already members. 2. If you want the "unsubscribe" command to set a user to "nomail", you will need to modify the Python scripts. The basic unsubscribe via email script is in /Mailman/Commands/cmd_unsubscribe.py I looked in there, and towards the end is the mlist.ApprovedDeleteMember function. I think it would be sufficient to replace it with the right function to change the user to "nomail". John Griffin wrote: > I notice that there is a "nomail" feature in the Mailman package. Can I > use this to accomplish what I am after? > Seeing as users will not be allocated a username or password, I also > need to be able to achieve this without having them log onto a web page > to set this, so is it possible with an email based "nomail" command > rather like the "unsubscribe" command. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From dll at scitools.com Thu May 8 20:26:50 2003 From: dll at scitools.com (Dan Leavitt) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:26:50 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] https question References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030508190852.042fcf78@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <00c801c3158f$645cb610$170aa8c0@DELL> Thanks. I had subsequently located that article which provides a solution but doesn't allow me to have list members access the server with http and list admins with https, which I think would be useful to protect their passwords. Can this be done somehow? Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Barrett" To: "Dan Leavitt" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] https question > At 19:44 06/05/2003, Dan Leavitt wrote: > >I've got http://myserver.com and https://myserver.com both working on a > >linux/apache server. But, when I use > >https://myserver.com/mailman/admin to access it the resulting page > >has numerous links to http://myserver.com. > > > >How can I avoid this? Shouldn't all the links continue to access the > >https server? Is there a mailman or apache config that I've > >overlooked? > > > >Thanks, > >Dan > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=DEFAULT_URL&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search > > RTFF :) > From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu May 8 20:46:33 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 19:46:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella/Parent Lists In-Reply-To: <1052316451.2753.75.camel@co-tech-gh.nixa.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030508192541.042ff318@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 15:07 07/05/2003, Greg Harris wrote: >After looking through the many articles on this topic, I am still not >seeing a truly dynamic fix. First, I am not very familiar with python >programming and this is the first time I have set up a mailing list, so >please be forgiving. > >I am mainly looking at how to allow all users from certain other local >lists, to post to a higher list. Let me try to quickly explain. I work >in a public school system, so I will use that example. The High School >Principal would be in a list which would only include himself and the >Assistant Principals, HS-Principals. That list would be covered by a >Principals list. The Principals list would be a compilation of the >different building principal lists and all principals would be able to >post to the Principals list. However, HS-Principals would also be part >of HS-Staff. HS-Staff would be an umbrella for the list English, >Science, etc. Only HS-Principals would be allowed to send to HS-Staff. >Hopefully by now, you can see that this is just using the organizational >structure for a creation of Umbrella/Parent lists that would encompass >the entire district. Essentially, I want to put each user in only one >list, and then use those lists to determine who can write to what lists. > >Although the initial setup will be huge, the long term management will >be much easier than trying to add each person to all the lists that they >would be a part of. > >Rather than using scripts and cron jobs to build lists, it would seem to >be a better use of resources to use regular expressions in the >accept_these_nonmembers. Unfortunately, I do not have the experience to >write these expressions. Has anyone else tried this? Am I completely >off my rocker and about to watch it burn? I've got plenty of experience with regexes but I am inclined to think you are trying to push rope up a hill with the regex approach to your problem. The only way regexes will help solve your problem is if there is a clear pattern in the email addresses of the sublist members which can be encoded in a regex which restricts access to the umbrella list. So if the email aliases of your members contained an indication of the job grade/teaching specialty/other criterion of the individuals you would be in with a shout but otherwise I think you will find some simple scripts to generate revised membership lists and cron jobs to run them will be a more productive approach. The other alternative is the more radical one of developing a membership adaptor in association with a database containing the details of the users, which would allow dynamic membership lists to be obtained by MM with non_MM criteria (like job grade/teaching specialty) appropriate to the list being used when extracting from the database. Not tried it myself, so that alternative is just speculation. I think that scripts and cron jobs will be a whole lot easier in the short run. Best of luck. >Thanks, > >Greg Harris From guttmann at content-regional.de Thu May 8 20:51:36 2003 From: guttmann at content-regional.de (David Guttmann) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 20:51:36 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments in Archiv Message-ID: <200305081851.h48IpINv030464@content-regional.de> Hi all and sorry for my english! I'm using Mailman 2.1.1 and it works fine so far. Archiv option is disabled on all lists. But now I notice that one list has attachments archived in ..../mailman/var/archives/private/$list/$date/$id/ sent through the list. Nothing else than the attachments.... Is this normal? Shouldn't the dir be empty? Can I suppress that? Or does Mailman clean up? Any ideas? Thanks for your support! David. From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu May 8 20:56:49 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 19:56:49 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Supported Platforms In-Reply-To: <09D7541E4EA7DE4A916BF313B6771E8F0E2A5D@EMSS52M02.ca.lmco.c om> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030508194715.04307240@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 13:42 08/05/2003, Neron, Stephane (EXP) wrote: >Good Morning ;-) > >I'd like to know if Mailman can run on Sparc -Solaris platforms ? > >Thanks ;-) > >St?phane Yes. You will need to have Python installed if that isn't already there (http://www.python.org). The machine to run Mailman must have an MTA such as Sendmail or Postifx installed on it to deliver incoming post for lists to Mailman. You may also need to install the GNU version of some utilities like make and patch to use instead of of the Sun versions of same when building Mailman. I believe these precursors are readily available from Sun's support site. In connection with installing an enhancement patch to MM another Sun admin posted to mailman-users list: At 17:24 28/04/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote: >This is really for the benefit of other Solaris users but I found you need >to use the gnu patch & gnu diffutils, both of which are available from >sunfreeware.com! Best of luck From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu May 8 21:04:14 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 20:04:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] https question In-Reply-To: <00c801c3158f$645cb610$170aa8c0@DELL> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030508190852.042fcf78@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030508195738.043746b8@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 19:26 08/05/2003, Dan Leavitt wrote: >Thanks. I had subsequently located that article which provides a solution >but doesn't allow me to have list members access the server with http >and list admins with https, which I think would be useful to protect their >passwords. Can this be done somehow? Not without code changes, but why bother. The user passwords may not be as 'valuable' but what is the problem with both admins and members using https for their respective web GUIs. Surely, all the work in using https is usually in setting up the server. Having done that, and unless you plan on using client side certificates, it is a non-issue for the actual members unless they are using some fairly unusual web browsers. Then again, maybe you have some problem with transparent proxies if you use https which only afflicts members and not admins?? >Dan > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Barrett" >To: "Dan Leavitt" >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:21 PM >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] https question > > > > At 19:44 06/05/2003, Dan Leavitt wrote: > > >I've got http://myserver.com and https://myserver.com both working on a > > >linux/apache server. But, when I use > > >https://myserver.com/mailman/admin to access it the resulting page > > >has numerous links to http://myserver.com. > > > > > >How can I avoid this? Shouldn't all the links continue to access the > > >https server? Is there a mailman or apache config that I've > > >overlooked? > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Dan > > > > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=DEFAULT_URL&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search > > > > RTFF :) > > From wes at greenfieldnetworks.com Thu May 8 21:51:56 2003 From: wes at greenfieldnetworks.com (Wesley T. Perdue) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 12:51:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella/Parent Lists In-Reply-To: <1052316451.2753.75.camel@co-tech-gh.nixa.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030508115955.02671cb0@mail.greenfieldnetworks-int.com> Greg, I've recently implemented Mailman 2.1.2 for my office. I'm completely happy with Mailman, with one exception: I'm surprised at the lack of support of nested lists. I too came across Jon Carnes' workaround shell script (thanks, Jon!); it didn't meet my needs as-is, but inspired me to write a more elaborate Perl script that comes closer. I needed a solution that provided an arbitrary depth of list nesting; my Perl script supports that. It uses rules written in text files (one file per parent list, which includes the component list names) to automatically build the parent lists from their component lists. For example, eng is the list of all engineers at my company; it is composed of three lists: the hardware engineers, the software engineers, and others that must monitor the eng list. The hardware engineer list is itself composed of three different lists. My script lacks one feature I need: I'd like it to be driven by membership changes in the child lists, rather than cron-driven. That is, when someone joins or leaves my software list, I'd like my eng list to be automatically updated. I'm not a Python programmer (I'm barely a Perl programmer), so it may take me a while to figure out how to implement this feature. Arbitrarily rebuilding all parent lists on a frequent basis is a waste of resources on my already busy server; plus, it introduces a time delay in the parent-list-updating. My script does not address your need for posting rules based on list membership; that seems to be a more involved change to Mailman's behavior, which will probably need to be written in Python. I have more basic posting rules needs; in general, I allow all list members to post to the list, and then use the regular expression rules to also allow posting from within our site, while denying posting from anyone off-site. If your lists are low-traffic or you have staff that can act as list moderator(s), a combination of regular expression rules and manually moderating the lists may be a useful way to restrict posts. For example, you could allow initially moderated posts for list members, moderate posts from non-list but site members, and discard posts from non-site members. I hope you find this helpful. Regards, Wes ---------- Wes Perdue IT Manager, Greenfield Networks At 09:07 AM 5/7/2003 -0500, Greg Harris wrote: >After looking through the many articles on this topic, I am still not >seeing a truly dynamic fix. First, I am not very familiar with python >programming and this is the first time I have set up a mailing list, so >please be forgiving. > >I am mainly looking at how to allow all users from certain other local >lists, to post to a higher list. Let me try to quickly explain. I work >in a public school system, so I will use that example. The High School >Principal would be in a list which would only include himself and the >Assistant Principals, HS-Principals. That list would be covered by a >Principals list. The Principals list would be a compilation of the >different building principal lists and all principals would be able to >post to the Principals list. However, HS-Principals would also be part >of HS-Staff. HS-Staff would be an umbrella for the list English, >Science, etc. Only HS-Principals would be allowed to send to HS-Staff. >Hopefully by now, you can see that this is just using the organizational >structure for a creation of Umbrella/Parent lists that would encompass >the entire district. Essentially, I want to put each user in only one >list, and then use those lists to determine who can write to what lists. > >Although the initial setup will be huge, the long term management will >be much easier than trying to add each person to all the lists that they >would be a part of. > >Rather than using scripts and cron jobs to build lists, it would seem to >be a better use of resources to use regular expressions in the >accept_these_nonmembers. Unfortunately, I do not have the experience to >write these expressions. Has anyone else tried this? Am I completely >off my rocker and about to watch it burn? > >Thanks, > >Greg Harris From lhough at mrv.com Thu May 8 23:01:24 2003 From: lhough at mrv.com (Hough, Linden) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:01:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive path problem Message-ID: <19EE6EC66973A5408FBE4CB7772F6F0A72E580@ltnmail.xyplex.com> Hi, I seem to be having a path problem with private archives. This is the path to an archive I can see: http://hostname/mailman/private/e2e/2003-May/000001.html In that archive is a link to a jpeg that was scrubbed, I cannot get there in the browser: http://hostname/pipermail/e2e/attachments/20030508/f525186d/attachment.jpg I believe it should be http://hostname/private/e2e/attachments//20030508/f525186d/attachment.jpg As the file seems to be there. Can anyone tell me where to fix that, or did I blow the install somehow? I though it was working before I re-configured to fix mail gid problem after upgrading to 2.1.2 from 2.1 Thanks, Linden Hough From lhough at mrv.com Fri May 9 00:07:40 2003 From: lhough at mrv.com (Hough, Linden) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:07:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive path problem Message-ID: <19EE6EC66973A5408FBE4CB7772F6F0A72E58D@ltnmail.xyplex.com> Hmmm... nm, I installed again, sent new email and the new link is correct. The old in correct is still there and incorrect but I guess I can just purge:) -----Original Message----- From: Hough, Linden Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:01 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive path problem Hi, I seem to be having a path problem with private archives. This is the path to an archive I can see: http://hostname/mailman/private/e2e/2003-May/000001.html In that archive is a link to a jpeg that was scrubbed, I cannot get there in the browser: http://hostname/pipermail/e2e/attachments/20030508/f525186d/attachment.jpg I believe it should be http://hostname/private/e2e/attachments//20030508/f525186d/attachment.jpg As the file seems to be there. Can anyone tell me where to fix that, or did I blow the install somehow? I though it was working before I re-configured to fix mail gid problem after upgrading to 2.1.2 from 2.1 Thanks, Linden Hough From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri May 9 00:40:12 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 23:40:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive path problem In-Reply-To: <19EE6EC66973A5408FBE4CB7772F6F0A72E58D@ltnmail.xyplex.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030508233653.04323980@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 23:07 08/05/2003, Hough, Linden wrote: >Hmmm... nm, I installed again, sent new email and the new link is correct. >The old in correct is still there and incorrect but I guess I can just >purge:) Did you by any chance change the archives of the list concerned from public to private after the problem mail had been archived? Maybe running $prefix/bin/arch on the list will cure the problem. >-----Original Message----- >From: Hough, Linden >Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:01 PM >To: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive path problem > > >Hi, > >I seem to be having a path problem with private archives. > >This is the path to an archive I can see: > >http://hostname/mailman/private/e2e/2003-May/000001.html > >In that archive is a link to a jpeg that was scrubbed, I cannot get there in >the browser: > >http://hostname/pipermail/e2e/attachments/20030508/f525186d/attachment.jpg > >I believe it should be >http://hostname/private/e2e/attachments//20030508/f525186d/attachment.jpg >As the file seems to be there. > >Can anyone tell me where to fix that, or did I blow the install somehow? > >I though it was working before I re-configured to fix mail gid problem after >upgrading to 2.1.2 from 2.1 > >Thanks, > >Linden Hough ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Fri May 9 02:49:59 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 09:49:59 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Date:-headers References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030506222216.00b115d0@pop3.demon.co.uk> <1052265785.3331.27.camel@anncons> <3EB852E4.2030602@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <1052364453.1156.9.camel@geddy> Message-ID: <3EBAFB37.6020900@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Barry, Sorry for my slow response. Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 20:27, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > >>I am with Richard. Following patch fix this and I really don't >>understand why this else close is required. > > > The else clause is there to handle formats like: > > Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:58:26 +0800 This passed my test without else close. May be this pattern ? > Wed,3 Apr 2002 14:58:26 +0800 If you stick to the BNF, you should not insert space between the comma and date. :-< In RFC2822, date-time = [ day-of-week "," ] date FWS time [CFWS] Anyway, thank you for the fix. Cheers, -- Tokio From barry at python.org Fri May 9 06:43:02 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 00:43:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Date:-headers In-Reply-To: <3EBAFB37.6020900@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: On Thursday, May 8, 2003, at 08:49 PM, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: >> The else clause is there to handle formats like: >> >> Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:58:26 +0800 > > This passed my test without else close. > > May be this pattern ? > >> Wed,3 Apr 2002 14:58:26 +0800 You're right. The regression was in test_parsedate_compact() which indeed tests the string you mention. > If you stick to the BNF, you should not insert space between > the comma and date. :-< Liberal in what you accept, strict in what you produce. :) In any event, I think we're good on this one. Thanks, -Barry From mba2000 at ioplex.com Fri May 9 09:33:51 2003 From: mba2000 at ioplex.com (Michael B Allen) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 03:33:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring Virtual Domains Message-ID: <20030509033351.1a676fd7.mba2000@ioplex.com> Hi, I share a server with some folks. Someone setup mailman and created a list for their domain (say foo-list at jim.com). Now I tried to setup a list for my domain (say bar-list at mike.com) by adding all the necesary aliasis and ran the newlist script but it sent me a confirmation for bar-list at jim.com. How do I specify bar-list at mike.com using the same installation of Mailman 2.0.13? If I edit mm_cfg.py will that mess up foo-list at jim.com? Also, how do I delete bar-list at jim.com? Finally, is there any document or howto that describes this well? Thanks, Mike -- A program should be written to model the concepts of the task it performs rather than the physical world or a process because this maximizes the potential for it to be applied to tasks that are conceptually similar and, more important, to tasks that have not yet been conceived. From fle at netgem.com Fri May 9 12:47:00 2003 From: fle at netgem.com (Flavien) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 12:47:00 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing mailman homedir Message-ID: <3EBB8724.84210B19@netgem.com> Hello, I had to change mailman homedir from /home/mailman to /usr/local/home/mailman. I basically grepped around /home/mailman/* to find all paths, moved /home/mailman to /usr/local/home, and changed the homedir of mailman user. Now, I'm getting error messages : > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > > the-list at blahblah.domain: > Child process of list_transport transport returned 2 from command: > /usr/local/home/mailman/mail/wrapper I realize that all *.pyc files contain references to the old dir /home/mailman, so they might well be the cause of the problem. How can I correct this ? Any help appreciated. Flavien. From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri May 9 14:44:41 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 13:44:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing mailman homedir In-Reply-To: <3EBB8724.84210B19@netgem.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030509133154.03ae5008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 11:47 09/05/2003, Flavien wrote: >Hello, > > > >I had to change mailman homedir from /home/mailman to /usr/local/home/mailman. > >I basically grepped around /home/mailman/* to find all paths, moved >/home/mailman >to /usr/local/home, and changed the homedir of mailman user. > Not the right way! >Now, I'm getting error messages : > > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > > > > the-list at blahblah.domain: > > Child process of list_transport transport returned 2 from command: > > /usr/local/home/mailman/mail/wrapper > > >I realize that all *.pyc files contain references to the old dir >/home/mailman, so they might well be the cause of the problem. The .pyc files are not the problem as python will regenerate these if they have later modification date than the associate .py file I think you problem is with the compiled C wrappers for the mail delivery and cgi scripts which have the Mailman install path embedded in the object code. Instead of hacking at this, do a proper configure and install of MM into your new $prefix, then transfer over the list databases and archives, run check_perms and then restart everything. I would stop your MTA and web server while you are moving MM and restart them after the move. >How can I correct this ? > > >Any help appreciated. > > >Flavien. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jdecarlo at mitre.org Fri May 9 14:48:57 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 08:48:57 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Daily moderator message Message-ID: <3EBBA3B9.1060903@mitre.org> Hello, I have some lists where the moderator can only use the email interface. This generally works fine, as replying to initial moderator email correctly allows the approval or disapproval of moderated messages. However, if something happens to the first message (gets accidentally deleted, etc.), the subsequent reminders do not have sufficient information to allow approval or rejection via email. I will be looking at the Python code to see what I can figure out, but if anyone has already looked at this, I would appreciate the help. Thanks. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From jdecarlo at mitre.org Fri May 9 15:27:49 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 09:27:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Uncaught bounce notification" for -admin addresses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EBBACD5.3030408@mitre.org> Well, I am seeing the exact same issues as Greg. Not only that, but I tried all my lists, and every one of them returns a bounce message for email sent to -admin at host.com - even if I do it by hand the way Jon suggested. What is the -admin alias supposed to do, anyway? I had assumed (there you go) that it would just forward to the list admin. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From jdecarlo at mitre.org Fri May 9 16:06:37 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:06:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for a file in Mailman In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030507085414.02997ea8@spamarrest.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030507085414.02997ea8@spamarrest.com> Message-ID: <3EBBB5ED.5000908@mitre.org> Thomas, I don't know what file it is in, but if you go to the Admin web page and select Digest Options, you will find the footer about half way down. You can edit the footer to your heart's content. Thomas at travelhacker.com wrote: > At the end of each message (Digest form) there is a > '------------------------------------' to separate the message from the > next one. What file is this found in as I would like to change it to > something else. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri May 9 16:20:09 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 14:20:09 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Uncaught bounce notification" for -admin addresses In-Reply-To: <3EBBACD5.3030408@mitre.org> References: <3EBBACD5.3030408@mitre.org> Message-ID: <1052490065.3313.8.camel@anncons> What MTA are you using? On Fri, 2003-05-09 at 09:27, John DeCarlo wrote: > Well, > > I am seeing the exact same issues as Greg. Not only that, but I tried > all my lists, and every one of them returns a bounce message for email > sent to -admin at host.com - even if I do it by hand the way > Jon suggested. > > What is the -admin alias supposed to do, anyway? I had assumed (there > you go) that it would just forward to the list admin. From jdecarlo at mitre.org Fri May 9 16:24:32 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:24:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Uncaught bounce notification" for -admin addresses In-Reply-To: <1052490065.3313.8.camel@anncons> References: <3EBBACD5.3030408@mitre.org> <1052490065.3313.8.camel@anncons> Message-ID: <3EBBBA20.20704@mitre.org> Jon, Sorry, I thought I added that I was using Postfix. But since the manual test had the same result, that seemed to eliminate it being an MTA issue. Jon Carnes wrote: > What MTA are you using? > > On Fri, 2003-05-09 at 09:27, John DeCarlo wrote: > >>Well, >> >>I am seeing the exact same issues as Greg. Not only that, but I tried >>all my lists, and every one of them returns a bounce message for email >>sent to -admin at host.com - even if I do it by hand the way >>Jon suggested. >> >>What is the -admin alias supposed to do, anyway? I had assumed (there >>you go) that it would just forward to the list admin. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From wasted1 at rolltidefan.net Fri May 9 16:28:58 2003 From: wasted1 at rolltidefan.net (Wasted One) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:28:58 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing real_name Message-ID: <00ee01c31637$543d9440$6101a8c0@Office> Did anyone ever come up with a solution to this problem? It seems to be frustrating a lot of people (including me!). All I want to do is change my list name's case from Xxx to XXX. Help... =============================================================================== Original message: From: John Grafflin Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing real_name Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 12:28:57 -0700 Under CPanel, Mailing Lists, General Options the very first option is to change the case of the public name. It is currently listed as Startpagedepot.com. I want to change it to StartPageDepot.com, but I get the following message at the top of the screen when I do: real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name by case only. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org From fle at netgem.com Fri May 9 16:54:44 2003 From: fle at netgem.com (Flavien) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 16:54:44 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing mailman homedir References: <3EBB8724.84210B19@netgem.com> Message-ID: <3EBBC134.B2CA1426@netgem.com> Hello, I got it working. Here are some tips for the archives, in case someone needs it (not as an example of "the Good Way to do it" though): *) bin/move_list is your friend : It updates the paths in the DB files for each list. Run it for each of them. *) The pyc files are not the problem, I choose to regenerate them, no idea if it was needed or if at the next run they would have been re-generated because their py-equivalent was newer. It just happens that I did regenerate them : #Not a copy-paste. May include errors echo "import py_compile" >> ./regenerate.py (for f in `find . -name *.py` ; do echo "py_compile.compile('$f')"; done) >> ./regenerate.py python ./regenerate.py *) Then, I had a look at the wrappers, as Richard pointed out. I had to compile them again (they contained references to /home/mailman) : In mailman's source, I edited ./config.status and changed the /home/mailman to /usr/local/home/mailman, ran ./config.status, cd src ; make; make install Hope this helps, Flavien. PS: May I suggest that the paths could be built from $HOME of the mailman user at runtime instead of beeing hard-coded at build time and be in every PY/PYC/DB file ? It would have made my task today much easier. :o) From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri May 9 17:09:39 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:09:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing real_name In-Reply-To: <00ee01c31637$543d9440$6101a8c0@Office> References: <00ee01c31637$543d9440$6101a8c0@Office> Message-ID: <20030509150939.GI32053@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Wasted One wrote: > Did anyone ever come up with a solution to this problem? It seems to be > frustrating a lot of people (including me!). All I want to do is change my > list name's case from Xxx to XXX. Not that I know of. I tried getting in touch with the folks at cPanel about it and they were completely unresponsive. I am guessing that they must patch mailman to accomplish this and therefore they have an obligation to make their changes available under the GPL. Unfortunately, I have no idea of how to get a message through to those folks (well, at this point I'd prefer to switch 'ol' to 'uc' in folks :). If anyone happens to know of a good way to get in touch with someone at cPanel, please let us know. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ I've set my own rules to live by. The first one is: 'Never believe ANYthing the government says.' -- George Carlin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+u8Szuv+09NZUB1oRAji2AJ9IZFmf3lAwcMaIUN+dsOEgPXLzmwCgtLuV kPJKPgn5HBoi9pvtX+N0+xk= =5pgf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk Fri May 9 17:18:10 2003 From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 15:18:10 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing real_name In-Reply-To: <004401c30ba4$c012b760$6cde28d8@jwgmg> References: <004401c30ba4$c012b760$6cde28d8@jwgmg> Message-ID: <1052493484.19584.36.camel@angua.localnet> On Sat, 2003-04-26 at 04:34, John Grafflin wrote: > Under CPanel, Mailing Lists, General Options the very first option is to change the case of the public name. It is currently listed as Startpagedepot.com. I want to change it to StartPageDepot.com, but I get the following message at the top of the screen when I do: > > real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name by case only. I vaguely remember seeing this problem in an old (1.x) Mailman release. You *have* checked that there is no whitespace tagged on the end of the identifier? Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri May 9 17:29:38 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:29:38 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing real_name In-Reply-To: <1052493484.19584.36.camel@angua.localnet> References: <004401c30ba4$c012b760$6cde28d8@jwgmg> <1052493484.19584.36.camel@angua.localnet> Message-ID: <20030509152938.GL32053@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nigel Metheringham wrote: > On Sat, 2003-04-26 at 04:34, John Grafflin wrote: > > Under CPanel, Mailing Lists, General Options the very first option is to > > change the case of the public name. It is currently listed as > > Startpagedepot.com. I want to change it to StartPageDepot.com, but I get > > the following message at the top of the screen when I do: > > > > real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name by > > case only. > > I vaguely remember seeing this problem in an old (1.x) Mailman release. > > You *have* checked that there is no whitespace tagged on the end of the > identifier? I'm not trying to speak for John, but no, this is a problem with Mailman 2.0, when hosted on sites run by cPanel software. I think they apply some patches or other trickery in list creation to put the domain name into the real_name attribute. The idea makes sense for doing virtual hosting, but they have only done a half-assed job of it and the result is that you cannot change the case of the list name. cPanel doesn't answer questions about it on either their support forums and they closed the support ticket I opened with them with no comment or resolution. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Good Government is an oxymoron. -- Legare -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+u8liuv+09NZUB1oRAmEHAKDF/KBavqFDKcJ4gm6cjcVvD9GBIQCgsvv1 9YWEIiN3EmmON1Vy+cHjGw0= =vhJS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Mailer-Daemon at gator3.hostgator.com Fri May 9 17:32:23 2003 From: Mailer-Daemon at gator3.hostgator.com (Mail Delivery System) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:32:23 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing real_name Message-ID: Yes. There is no space. -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+wasted1=rolltidefan.net at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+wasted1=rolltidefan.net at python.org] On Behalf Of Nigel Metheringham Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:18 AM To: John Grafflin Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Editing real_name On Sat, 2003-04-26 at 04:34, John Grafflin wrote: > Under CPanel, Mailing Lists, General Options the very first option is > to change the case of the public name. It is currently listed as > Startpagedepot.com. I want to change it to StartPageDepot.com, but I > get the following message at the top of the screen when I do: > > real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name > by case only. I vaguely remember seeing this problem in an old (1.x) Mailman release. You *have* checked that there is no whitespace tagged on the end of the identifier? From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri May 9 17:38:22 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 15:38:22 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring Virtual Domains In-Reply-To: <20030509033351.1a676fd7.mba2000@ioplex.com> References: <20030509033351.1a676fd7.mba2000@ioplex.com> Message-ID: <1052494734.3308.66.camel@anncons> On Fri, 2003-05-09 at 03:33, Michael B Allen wrote: > Hi, > > I share a server with some folks. Someone setup mailman and created a > list for their domain (say foo-list at jim.com). Now I tried to setup a > list for my domain (say bar-list at mike.com) by adding all the necesary > aliasis and ran the newlist script but it sent me a confirmation for > bar-list at jim.com. How do I specify bar-list at mike.com using the > same installation of Mailman 2.0.13? If I edit mm_cfg.py will that > mess up foo-list at jim.com? > You need to edit two of the fields near the bottom of the General Options tab in the web-admin. Change those domains to use "mike.com". That will will help. > Also, how do I delete bar-list at jim.com? > You don't need to do that, the changes above will simply change how the list treats itself (it will now use mike.com). Note: if you are using Sendmail as the MTA then the outbound mail will all be tagged as coming from whatever the host is currently named. You can force naming to be one way or the other, but the only way to force outbound mail to use a different domain name is to use the Generics tables. > Finally, is there any document or howto that describes this well? > The archives cover this very thoroughly and many times. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri May 9 17:44:25 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 15:44:25 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: <20030505184558.60989.qmail@web40806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030505184558.60989.qmail@web40806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1052495098.3314.72.camel@anncons> If you look in the file "INSTALL" which came with the source, you will see that it has some nice instructions for modifying your httpd.conf file. === # httpd configuration settings for use with mailman. # ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ Options +FollowSymlinks # # Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com # with your server's name, to redirect queries to /mailman # to the listinfo page (recommended). # RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo On Mon, 2003-05-05 at 14:45, Roy Santos wrote: > I recently first tried installing the Redhat RPM of > this product. The lists appeared to be working, but > for the life of me I could not figure out where/how > the web pages get generated. (ie: > /var/www/http/mailman?) Since Redhat didnt have man > pages, I removed the RPM. > > At a second attempt I installed from the current > distribution. This allowed me to gather information > from the Install file and README. I tried to follow > step by step, but again, I was left with a spotty > install. Now since the website doesnt offer online > documentation, Im pretty stuck in the water. > > Can someone point me to a document or more detailed > information on how the web enabled mechanism of the > list server works, how to configure it, and any > usefulness to get this package deployed? > > Thanks in advance > > Roy Santos > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From lhough at mrv.com Fri May 9 17:59:39 2003 From: lhough at mrv.com (Hough, Linden) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:59:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive path problem Message-ID: <19EE6EC66973A5408FBE4CB7772F6F0A72E6C0@ltnmail.xyplex.com> Yes I think I did change from public to private, Is that what causes it? I will try running arch and let you know if it fixes the bad link. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 6:40 PM To: Hough, Linden Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Archive path problem At 23:07 08/05/2003, Hough, Linden wrote: >Hmmm... nm, I installed again, sent new email and the new link is correct. >The old in correct is still there and incorrect but I guess I can just >purge:) Did you by any chance change the archives of the list concerned from public to private after the problem mail had been archived? Maybe running $prefix/bin/arch on the list will cure the problem. >-----Original Message----- >From: Hough, Linden >Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:01 PM >To: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive path problem > > >Hi, > >I seem to be having a path problem with private archives. > >This is the path to an archive I can see: > >http://hostname/mailman/private/e2e/2003-May/000001.html > >In that archive is a link to a jpeg that was scrubbed, I cannot get there in >the browser: > >http://hostname/pipermail/e2e/attachments/20030508/f525186d/attachment.jpg > >I believe it should be >http://hostname/private/e2e/attachments//20030508/f525186d/attachment.jpg >As the file seems to be there. > >Can anyone tell me where to fix that, or did I blow the install somehow? > >I though it was working before I re-configured to fix mail gid problem after >upgrading to 2.1.2 from 2.1 > >Thanks, > >Linden Hough ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From lhough at mrv.com Fri May 9 18:04:41 2003 From: lhough at mrv.com (Hough, Linden) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:04:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing mailman homedir Message-ID: <19EE6EC66973A5408FBE4CB7772F6F0A72E6C8@ltnmail.xyplex.com> Yes I think I did change from public to private, Is that what causes it? I will try running arch and let you know if it fixes the bad link. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:45 AM To: Flavien; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] changing mailman homedir At 11:47 09/05/2003, Flavien wrote: >Hello, > > > >I had to change mailman homedir from /home/mailman to /usr/local/home/mailman. > >I basically grepped around /home/mailman/* to find all paths, moved >/home/mailman >to /usr/local/home, and changed the homedir of mailman user. > Not the right way! >Now, I'm getting error messages : > > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > > > > the-list at blahblah.domain: > > Child process of list_transport transport returned 2 from command: > > /usr/local/home/mailman/mail/wrapper > > >I realize that all *.pyc files contain references to the old dir >/home/mailman, so they might well be the cause of the problem. The .pyc files are not the problem as python will regenerate these if they have later modification date than the associate .py file I think you problem is with the compiled C wrappers for the mail delivery and cgi scripts which have the Mailman install path embedded in the object code. Instead of hacking at this, do a proper configure and install of MM into your new $prefix, then transfer over the list databases and archives, run check_perms and then restart everything. I would stop your MTA and web server while you are moving MM and restart them after the move. >How can I correct this ? > > >Any help appreciated. > > >Flavien. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: lhough at mrv.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/lhough%40mrv.com From lhough at mrv.com Fri May 9 18:06:34 2003 From: lhough at mrv.com (Hough, Linden) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:06:34 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive path problem Message-ID: <19EE6EC66973A5408FBE4CB7772F6F0A72E6CC@ltnmail.xyplex.com> Yes I think I did change from public to private, Is that what causes it? I will try running arch and let you know if it fixes the bad link. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 6:40 PM To: Hough, Linden Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Archive path problem At 23:07 08/05/2003, Hough, Linden wrote: >Hmmm... nm, I installed again, sent new email and the new link is correct. >The old in correct is still there and incorrect but I guess I can just >purge:) Did you by any chance change the archives of the list concerned from public to private after the problem mail had been archived? Maybe running $prefix/bin/arch on the list will cure the problem. >-----Original Message----- >From: Hough, Linden >Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:01 PM >To: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive path problem > > >Hi, > >I seem to be having a path problem with private archives. > >This is the path to an archive I can see: > >http://hostname/mailman/private/e2e/2003-May/000001.html > >In that archive is a link to a jpeg that was scrubbed, I cannot get there in >the browser: > >http://hostname/pipermail/e2e/attachments/20030508/f525186d/attachment.jpg > >I believe it should be >http://hostname/private/e2e/attachments//20030508/f525186d/attachment.jpg >As the file seems to be there. > >Can anyone tell me where to fix that, or did I blow the install somehow? > >I though it was working before I re-configured to fix mail gid problem after >upgrading to 2.1.2 from 2.1 > >Thanks, > >Linden Hough ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From lhough at itouchcom.com Thu May 8 22:47:27 2003 From: lhough at itouchcom.com (Hough, Linden) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:47:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive path problem Message-ID: <19EE6EC66973A5408FBE4CB7772F6F0A72E571@ltnmail.xyplex.com> Hi, I seem to be having a path problem with private archives. This is the path to an archive I can see: http://hostname/mailman/private/e2e/2003-May/000001.html In that archive is a link to a jpeg that was scrubbed, I cannot get there in the browser: http://hostname/pipermail/e2e/attachments/20030508/f525186d/attachment.jpg I believe it should be http://hostname/private/e2e/attachments//20030508/f525186d/attachment.jpg As the file seems to be there. Can anyone tell me where to fix that, or did I blow the install somehow? I though it was working before I re-configured to fix mail gid problem after upgrading to 2.1.2 from 2.1 Thanks, Linden Hough lhough at itouchcom.com From pittmed at pittmed.pitt.edu Thu May 8 22:52:57 2003 From: pittmed at pittmed.pitt.edu (Computers in Medicine) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:52:57 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing with Name via Email Message-ID: <007001c315a3$ce898f40$0280000a@pelican> We have a form that we use to create a simple interface to a Mailman list by sending an email of the following form to the -request address. subscribe nodigest address=email at domain We'd also like to be able to allow the user's to submit their real name via email, but if the email address is of the form "First Last" or "First Last " it doesn't work. Is there some form for the email address that can include the real name? Thanks. From rplouffe at bridgew.edu Fri May 9 15:31:03 2003 From: rplouffe at bridgew.edu (Plouffe, Robert) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:31:03 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with outside users Message-ID: <9F5E83E17008D31193DD0090274E75050A496D70@mailhost.bridgew.edu> Mailman, I am testing mailman on campus. Our test users on campus work fine. Test users with non campus accounts (yahoo, hotmail) are not able to join a list much less receive mail. Is there a setting I am missing in Mailman? I did send and receive email to these accounts with sendmail so I do not think it a DNS etc issue. Any help would be appreciated - Thank you, Bob Robert Plouffe Assistant Director, Systems Support Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, Massachusetts 02325 rplouffe at bridgew.edu (508) 531 2659 From gharris at mail.nixa.k12.mo.us Fri May 9 17:17:43 2003 From: gharris at mail.nixa.k12.mo.us (Greg Harris) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 15:17:43 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella/Parent Lists Message-ID: <1052493399.2753.198.camel@co-tech-gh.nixa.k12.mo.us> Thanks for the replies. It looks as though reg ex is not considered the best way to access memberships yet. However, since a database is used for list memberships, it would seem to be the best long-term solution, if it can be developed. I also wonder if I made it clear that I was trying to add all members of a child list and not specific members from a child list. Each child list would be set up in such a way that they all had write access to the parent list or all of them could only read from the parent list, (an announcement list). Does this change anyone's thinking, or are scripts still the best way to go? Also, I would like to see your scripts Wesley, if possible. It sounds like there is a great deal of potential available from your scripts. I wonder if you could add a line or two to the add user script that would run the appropriate parent list rebuild. This script would then of course call any other scripts that it needed to update. You would, of course have to use a standard naming scheme, so that it could use a variable from the add user script. This should allow for "instant" updates across the board. I use instant loosely here, simply because you have to wait until the scripts finish running. Later, Greg Harris On Thu, 2003-05-08 at 14:51, Wesley T. Perdue wrote: > Greg, > > I've recently implemented Mailman 2.1.2 for my office. I'm completely happy with Mailman, with one exception: I'm surprised at the lack of support of nested lists. > > I too came across Jon Carnes' workaround shell script (thanks, Jon!); it didn't meet my needs as-is, but inspired me to write a more elaborate Perl script that comes closer. I needed a solution that provided an arbitrary depth of list nesting; my Perl script supports that. It uses rules written in text files (one file per parent list, which includes the component list names) to automatically build the parent lists from their component lists. > > For example, eng is the list of all engineers at my company; it is composed of three lists: the hardware engineers, the software engineers, and others that must monitor the eng list. The hardware engineer list is itself composed of three different lists. > > My script lacks one feature I need: I'd like it to be driven by membership changes in the child lists, rather than cron-driven. That is, when someone joins or leaves my software list, I'd like my eng list to be automatically updated. I'm not a Python programmer (I'm barely a Perl programmer), so it may take me a while to figure out how to implement this feature. Arbitrarily rebuilding all parent lists on a frequent basis is a waste of resources on my already busy server; plus, it introduces a time delay in the parent-list-updating. > > My script does not address your need for posting rules based on list membership; that seems to be a more involved change to Mailman's behavior, which will probably need to be written in Python. > > I have more basic posting rules needs; in general, I allow all list members to post to the list, and then use the regular expression rules to also allow posting from within our site, while denying posting from anyone off-site. > > If your lists are low-traffic or you have staff that can act as list moderator(s), a combination of regular expression rules and manually moderating the lists may be a useful way to restrict posts. For example, you could allow initially moderated posts for list members, moderate posts from non-list but site members, and discard posts from non-site members. > > I hope you find this helpful. > > Regards, > Wes > ---------- > Wes Perdue > IT Manager, Greenfield Networks > > At 09:07 AM 5/7/2003 -0500, Greg Harris wrote: > >After looking through the many articles on this topic, I am still not > >seeing a truly dynamic fix. First, I am not very familiar with python > >programming and this is the first time I have set up a mailing list, so > >please be forgiving. > > > >I am mainly looking at how to allow all users from certain other local > >lists, to post to a higher list. Let me try to quickly explain. I work > >in a public school system, so I will use that example. The High School > >Principal would be in a list which would only include himself and the > >Assistant Principals, HS-Principals. That list would be covered by a > >Principals list. The Principals list would be a compilation of the > >different building principal lists and all principals would be able to > >post to the Principals list. However, HS-Principals would also be part > >of HS-Staff. HS-Staff would be an umbrella for the list English, > >Science, etc. Only HS-Principals would be allowed to send to HS-Staff. > >Hopefully by now, you can see that this is just using the organizational > >structure for a creation of Umbrella/Parent lists that would encompass > >the entire district. Essentially, I want to put each user in only one > >list, and then use those lists to determine who can write to what lists. > > > >Although the initial setup will be huge, the long term management will > >be much easier than trying to add each person to all the lists that they > >would be a part of. > > > >Rather than using scripts and cron jobs to build lists, it would seem to > >be a better use of resources to use regular expressions in the > >accept_these_nonmembers. Unfortunately, I do not have the experience to > >write these expressions. Has anyone else tried this? Am I completely > >off my rocker and about to watch it burn? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Greg Harris > From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri May 9 18:34:02 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 17:34:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive path problem In-Reply-To: <19EE6EC66973A5408FBE4CB7772F6F0A72E6CC@ltnmail.xyplex.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030509172032.05228ba8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 17:06 09/05/2003, Hough, Linden wrote: >Yes I think I did change from public to private, Is that what causes it? >I will try running arch and let you know if it fixes the bad link. Working back from your symptoms, I guessed that the links being embedded in the archived mail to point to extracted content might not be being written as relative URLs but absolute ones. Then, changing a list from public to private would make a mess of things. I think if you you take a look at the HTML of the archived mail you will see my guess was correct (or not). If I find time, I'll take a look at the source code to check if I was on target and, if so, see if I can work up a patch for the problem. >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] >Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 6:40 PM >To: Hough, Linden >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Archive path problem > > >At 23:07 08/05/2003, Hough, Linden wrote: > >Hmmm... nm, I installed again, sent new email and the new link is correct. > >The old in correct is still there and incorrect but I guess I can just > >purge:) > >Did you by any chance change the archives of the list concerned from public >to private after the problem mail had been archived? > >Maybe running $prefix/bin/arch on the list will cure the problem. > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Hough, Linden > >Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:01 PM > >To: mailman-users at python.org > >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive path problem > > > > > >Hi, > > > >I seem to be having a path problem with private archives. > > > >This is the path to an archive I can see: > > > >http://hostname/mailman/private/e2e/2003-May/000001.html > > > >In that archive is a link to a jpeg that was scrubbed, I cannot get there >in > >the browser: > > > >http://hostname/pipermail/e2e/attachments/20030508/f525186d/attachment.jpg > > > >I believe it should be > >http://hostname/private/e2e/attachments//20030508/f525186d/attachment.jpg > >As the file seems to be there. > > > >Can anyone tell me where to fix that, or did I blow the install somehow? > > > >I though it was working before I re-configured to fix mail gid problem >after > >upgrading to 2.1.2 from 2.1 > > > >Thanks, > > > >Linden Hough > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >Richard Barrett >http://www.openinfo.co.uk > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jose at iquest.ucsb.edu Fri May 9 18:37:33 2003 From: jose at iquest.ucsb.edu (Jose Guevarra) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:37:33 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] too many hops with sendmail Message-ID: <000c01c31649$4a8575f0$800f6f80@iquest.ucsb.edu> Hi, I'm running Mailman 2.1.1 on RH 7.3. I keep getting these errors in my daily logwatch emails. ------- h48Gs5W22934: SYSERR(root): Too many hops 26 (25 max): from via mailserver.mydomain.com, to h48Gs5W22934: h48Gs5W22935: DSN: Too many hops 26 (25 max): from via mailserver.mydomain.com, to ------- Can anyone tell my why. My aliase file entry for this list is exactly the same as the other which don't have this problem. any hints would be appreciated. ======================================== Jose Guevarra Systems Administrator iQUEST Rm 5215 Broida Hall University of California, Santa Barbara Santa Barbara, CA 93106 Phone: 805.893.8108 Fax: 805.893.8170 Email: jose at iquest.ucsb.edu Web: www.iquest.ucsb.edu ======================================== From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri May 9 19:01:03 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 18:01:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella/Parent Lists In-Reply-To: <1052493399.2753.198.camel@co-tech-gh.nixa.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030509174038.00ac5b38@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 16:16 09/05/2003, Greg Harris wrote: >Thanks for the replies. It looks as though reg ex is not considered the >best way to access memberships yet. However, since a database is used >for list memberships, it would seem to be the best long-term solution, >if it can be developed. I also wonder if I made it clear that I was >trying to add all members of a child list and not specific members from >a child list. Each child list would be set up in such a way that they >all had write access to the parent list or all of them could only read >from the parent list, (an announcement list). Does this change anyone's >thinking, or are scripts still the best way to go? Not mine, because the way standard Mailman code works, the 'umbrella' list does not "look down" into the membership list of a subordinate list, nor can a regex associated with the the 'umbrella' list readily do so. Essentailly, the subordinate list's email address is nothing special just that of another subscriber. >Also, I would like to see your scripts Wesley, if possible. It sounds >like there is a great deal of potential available from your scripts. I >wonder if you could add a line or two to the add user script that would >run the appropriate parent list rebuild. This script would then of >course call any other scripts that it needed to update. You would, of >course have to use a standard naming scheme, so that it could use a >variable from the add user script. This should allow for "instant" >updates across the board. I use instant loosely here, simply because >you have to wait until the scripts finish running. > >Later, > >Greg Harris > >On Thu, 2003-05-08 at 14:51, Wesley T. Perdue wrote: > > Greg, > > > > I've recently implemented Mailman 2.1.2 for my office. I'm completely >happy with Mailman, with one exception: I'm surprised at the lack of >support of nested lists. > > > > I too came across Jon Carnes' workaround shell script (thanks, Jon!); >it didn't meet my needs as-is, but inspired me to write a more elaborate >Perl script that comes closer. I needed a solution that provided an >arbitrary depth of list nesting; my Perl script supports that. It uses >rules written in text files (one file per parent list, which includes >the component list names) to automatically build the parent lists from >their component lists. > > > > For example, eng is the list of all engineers at my company; it is >composed of three lists: the hardware engineers, the software engineers, >and others that must monitor the eng list. The hardware engineer list >is itself composed of three different lists. > > > > My script lacks one feature I need: I'd like it to be driven by >membership changes in the child lists, rather than cron-driven. That >is, when someone joins or leaves my software list, I'd like my eng list >to be automatically updated. I'm not a Python programmer (I'm barely a >Perl programmer), so it may take me a while to figure out how to >implement this feature. Arbitrarily rebuilding all parent lists on a >frequent basis is a waste of resources on my already busy server; plus, >it introduces a time delay in the parent-list-updating. > > > > My script does not address your need for posting rules based on list >membership; that seems to be a more involved change to Mailman's >behavior, which will probably need to be written in Python. > > > > I have more basic posting rules needs; in general, I allow all list >members to post to the list, and then use the regular expression rules >to also allow posting from within our site, while denying posting from >anyone off-site. > > > > If your lists are low-traffic or you have staff that can act as list >moderator(s), a combination of regular expression rules and manually >moderating the lists may be a useful way to restrict posts. For >example, you could allow initially moderated posts for list members, >moderate posts from non-list but site members, and discard posts from >non-site members. > > > > I hope you find this helpful. > > > > Regards, > > Wes > > ---------- > > Wes Perdue > > IT Manager, Greenfield Networks > > > > At 09:07 AM 5/7/2003 -0500, Greg Harris wrote: > > >After looking through the many articles on this topic, I am still not > > >seeing a truly dynamic fix. First, I am not very familiar with >python > > >programming and this is the first time I have set up a mailing list, >so > > >please be forgiving. > > > > > >I am mainly looking at how to allow all users from certain other >local > > >lists, to post to a higher list. Let me try to quickly explain. I >work > > >in a public school system, so I will use that example. The High >School > > >Principal would be in a list which would only include himself and the > > >Assistant Principals, HS-Principals. That list would be covered by a > > >Principals list. The Principals list would be a compilation of the > > >different building principal lists and all principals would be able >to > > >post to the Principals list. However, HS-Principals would also be >part > > >of HS-Staff. HS-Staff would be an umbrella for the list English, > > >Science, etc. Only HS-Principals would be allowed to send to >HS-Staff. > > >Hopefully by now, you can see that this is just using the >organizational > > >structure for a creation of Umbrella/Parent lists that would >encompass > > >the entire district. Essentially, I want to put each user in only >one > > >list, and then use those lists to determine who can write to what >lists. > > > > > >Although the initial setup will be huge, the long term management >will > > >be much easier than trying to add each person to all the lists that >they > > >would be a part of. > > > > > >Rather than using scripts and cron jobs to build lists, it would seem >to > > >be a better use of resources to use regular expressions in the > > >accept_these_nonmembers. Unfortunately, I do not have the experience >to > > >write these expressions. Has anyone else tried this? Am I >completely > > >off my rocker and about to watch it burn? > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Greg Harris > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From sgreverend at attbi.com Fri May 9 20:31:45 2003 From: sgreverend at attbi.com (Sylvie Greverend) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:31:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delete a specific archived message Message-ID: Is it a way to delete a specific archived message? As I am in a shared hosting configuration, I don't have access to .mbox file. Thank you From sgreverend at attbi.com Fri May 9 20:32:06 2003 From: sgreverend at attbi.com (Sylvie Greverend) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:32:06 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archived message with attached files Message-ID: Is there some documentation about the way to configure mailman to see an attached file of an archived message not at the end of the message but as a separate file. (My ISP uses a 2.0.8 version of mailman) Thank you From mba2000 at ioplex.com Fri May 9 22:31:04 2003 From: mba2000 at ioplex.com (Michael B Allen) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:31:04 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring Virtual Domains In-Reply-To: <1052494734.3308.66.camel@anncons> References: <20030509033351.1a676fd7.mba2000@ioplex.com> <1052494734.3308.66.camel@anncons> Message-ID: <20030509163104.48f9d817.mba2000@ioplex.com> Ok, well that worked. All instances of 'jim.com' are replaced with 'mike.com'. But I still have one little problem. The subscription notifications appear as follows: From: mailman-owner@%s.rosehosting.com To: mba2000 at ioplex.com Subject: libmba subscription notification Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 14:58:00 -0500 Sender: libmba-admin at ioplex.com mballen at erols.com has been successfully subscribed to libmba. The from line is wrong. The owner of the list is really libmba-owner. Also the hostname should be ioplex.com. The rosehosting.com is domain of the ISP. A reverse lookup of our IP actually yields vs365.rosehosting.com. Can this be fixed? Is this what you are saying below? I'm using postfix. I have the necessary entries in /etc/postfix/alisases and /etc/postfix/virtual. At least I think they're necessary; I didn't setup mailman. Mail otherwise works great for three domains. Mike On 09 May 2003 11:38:55 -0400 Jon Carnes wrote: > Note: if you are using Sendmail as the MTA then the outbound mail will > all be tagged as coming from whatever the host is currently named. You > can force naming to be one way or the other, but the only way to force > outbound mail to use a different domain name is to use the Generics > tables. -- A program should be written to model the concepts of the task it performs rather than the physical world or a process because this maximizes the potential for it to be applied to tasks that are conceptually similar and, more important, to tasks that have not yet been conceived. From kalin at el.net Fri May 9 22:04:37 2003 From: kalin at el.net (Kalin Mintchev) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] custom response to subscribtion request Message-ID: hi, how can i do a custom response to the subscription request?... i have a list running on a mailman server with a lot of other lists and the client said that he wants the subscribers to his list to recieve custom confirmation request and confirmation message... i looked at the admin pages and around on google but could not find where or how to set it up.... any suggestion will be appreciated.... thanks.... From happy_uba at yahoo.com Fri May 9 23:15:36 2003 From: happy_uba at yahoo.com (Sami Abuhamdeh) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] creating announcement-only list Message-ID: <20030509211536.55763.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> Hello everyone, I'd like to create a one-way announcement only list. I've searched the archives for how to do this, but it seems there are significant differences in the way version 2.0X vs. 2.1X need to be configured, and I haven't found instructions for what to do if you are using version 2.0X, like I am. Does anyone know what options need to be modified to make the list announcement-only? Thanks, Sam __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From kalin at el.net Fri May 9 22:49:51 2003 From: kalin at el.net (Kalin Mintchev) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] creating announcement-only list In-Reply-To: <20030509211536.55763.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: you'll have to restrict the list's ability to send eamil out to only the emails that the announcements will come from. look at options 6 and 7 under privacy options in the list admin interface... On Fri, 9 May 2003, Sami Abuhamdeh wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I'd like to create a one-way announcement only list. I've searched the > archives for how to do this, but it seems there are significant differences in > the way version 2.0X vs. 2.1X need to be configured, and I haven't found > instructions for what to do if you are using version 2.0X, like I am. Does > anyone know what options need to be modified to make the list > announcement-only? > > Thanks, > > Sam > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: kalin at el.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/kalin%40el.net > From jsilberberg at mindspring.com Fri May 9 23:51:40 2003 From: jsilberberg at mindspring.com (Jeff Silberberg) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 17:51:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Off Topic request (Verizon & Sendmail) In-Reply-To: <20030509211536.55763.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030509174052.022bb238@pop.mindspring.com> Hoping someone here can help me out...... Have customer using Verizon ADSL in Brookline Mass area. We have been distributing mail using Sendmail on FreeBSD from a box on the network for about 2+ years. After a long ADSL outage last month we started getting all sorts of various rejects from the relay smtpout.verizon.net. After literally Hundreds of hours on the phone with Verizon Non-Support and being told we were/were not on a spam block, that they had moved relay to outgoing.verizon.net, that there was noting wrong, that only abuse.verizon.net could fix the issue, ect...................................................................................................... I am turning here, while we shop for an NEW provider. Does anyone on the list have a working Verizon ADSL/DHCP relay functioning. An if so can you share with me the contents of your sendmail.cf that does function. Or any install documentation that Verizon might have supplied you. All the other Sendmail's work (5+) , only this link on Verizons ADSL is driving us crazy. Even Bell South's ADSL SMTP Relay was not this much grief... Many Thanks, JMS.... Jeffrey Silberberg CompuDesigns, Inc. Atlanta, GA. 30350 From ggw at wolves.homeip.net Sat May 10 00:39:55 2003 From: ggw at wolves.homeip.net (Gregory Woodbury) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Off Topic request (Verizon & Sendmail) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030509174052.022bb238@pop.mindspring.com> from "Jeff Silberberg" at May 09, 2003 05:51:40 PM Message-ID: <200305092239.h49Mdt7K029132@wolves.homeip.net> "It was written once upon a time (by Jeff Silberberg):" > Hoping someone here can help me out...... > > Have customer using Verizon ADSL in Brookline Mass area. We have been > distributing mail using Sendmail on FreeBSD from a box on the network for > about 2+ years. After a long ADSL outage last month we started getting all > sorts of various rejects from the relay smtpout.verizon.net. After > literally Hundreds of hours on the phone with Verizon Non-Support and being > told we were/were not on a spam block, that they had moved relay to > outgoing.verizon.net, that there was noting wrong, that only > abuse.verizon.net could fix the issue, > ect...................................................................................................... > > I am turning here, while we shop for an NEW provider. Does anyone on the > list have a working Verizon ADSL/DHCP relay functioning. An if so can you > share with me the contents of your sendmail.cf that does function. Or any > install documentation that Verizon might have supplied you. All the other > Sendmail's work (5+) , only this link on Verizons ADSL is driving us > crazy. Even Bell South's ADSL SMTP Relay was not this much grief... > > > Many Thanks, > JMS.... If you examine my headers, you'll see that I'm using Verizon as my "smart host" relay. I'm on VADI/VOL ADSL in Durham NC, and had to switch to using the outgoing.verizon.net relay when the Genuity DSL IPs got added to the DULs and major providers (like AOL and RR) started filtering using the DULs. Here is the sendmail.mc file: -------------------------------- divert(-1)dnl dnl # dnl # This is the sendmail macro config file for m4. If you make changes to dnl # /etc/mail/sendmail.mc, you will need to regenerate the dnl # /etc/mail/sendmail.cf file by confirming that the sendmail-cf package is dnl # installed and then performing a dnl # dnl # make -C /etc/mail dnl # include(`/usr/share/sendmail-cf/m4/cf.m4')dnl VERSIONID(`setup for Red Hat Linux')dnl OSTYPE(`linux')dnl dnl # dnl # Uncomment and edit the following line if your outgoing mail needs to dnl # be sent out through an external mail server: dnl # dnl define(`SMART_HOST',`smtp.your.provider') define(`SMART_HOST',`outgoing.verizon.net') dnl # define(`confDEF_USER_ID',``8:12'')dnl define(`confTRUSTED_USER', `smmsp')dnl dnl define(`confAUTO_REBUILD')dnl define(`confTO_CONNECT', `1m')dnl define(`confTRY_NULL_MX_LIST',true)dnl define(`confDONT_PROBE_INTERFACES',true)dnl define(`PROCMAIL_MAILER_PATH',`/usr/bin/procmail')dnl define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases')dnl dnl define(`STATUS_FILE', `/etc/mail/statistics')dnl define(`UUCP_MAILER_MAX', `2000000')dnl define(`confUSERDB_SPEC', `/etc/mail/userdb.db')dnl define(`confPRIVACY_FLAGS', `authwarnings,novrfy,noexpn,restrictqrun')dnl define(`confAUTH_OPTIONS', `A')dnl dnl # dnl # The following allows relaying if the user authenticates, and disallows dnl # plaintext authentication (PLAIN/LOGIN) on non-TLS links dnl # dnl define(`confAUTH_OPTIONS', `A p')dnl dnl # dnl # PLAIN is the preferred plaintext authentication method and used by dnl # Mozilla Mail and Evolution, though Outlook Express and other MUAs do dnl # use LOGIN. Other mechanisms should be used if the connection is not dnl # guaranteed secure. dnl # dnl TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`EXTERNAL DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN PLAIN')dnl dnl define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `EXTERNAL GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN PLAIN')dnl dnl # dnl # Rudimentary information on creating certificates for sendmail TLS: dnl # make -C /usr/share/ssl/certs usage dnl # dnl define(`confCACERT_PATH',`/usr/share/ssl/certs') dnl define(`confCACERT',`/usr/share/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt') dnl define(`confSERVER_CERT',`/usr/share/ssl/certs/sendmail.pem') dnl define(`confSERVER_KEY',`/usr/share/ssl/certs/sendmail.pem') dnl # dnl # This allows sendmail to use a keyfile that is shared with OpenLDAP's dnl # slapd, which requires the file to be readble by group ldap dnl # dnl define(`confDONT_BLAME_SENDMAIL',`groupreadablekeyfile')dnl dnl # dnl define(`confTO_QUEUEWARN', `4h')dnl dnl define(`confTO_QUEUERETURN', `5d')dnl dnl define(`confQUEUE_LA', `12')dnl dnl define(`confREFUSE_LA', `18')dnl define(`confTO_IDENT', `0')dnl dnl FEATURE(delay_checks)dnl FEATURE(`no_default_msa',`dnl')dnl FEATURE(`smrsh',`/usr/sbin/smrsh')dnl FEATURE(`mailertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/mailertable.db')dnl FEATURE(`virtusertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable.db')dnl FEATURE(`authinfo',`hash -o /etc/mail/authinfo.db')dnl FEATURE(redirect)dnl FEATURE(always_add_domain)dnl FEATURE(use_cw_file)dnl FEATURE(use_ct_file)dnl dnl # dnl # The -t option will retry delivery if e.g. the user runs over his quota. dnl # FEATURE(local_procmail,`',`procmail -t -Y -a $h -d $u')dnl FEATURE(`access_db',`hash -T -o /etc/mail/access.db')dnl FEATURE(`blacklist_recipients')dnl EXPOSED_USER(`root')dnl dnl # dnl # The following causes sendmail to only listen on the IPv4 loopback address dnl # 127.0.0.1 and not on any other network devices. Remove the loopback dnl # address restriction to accept email from the internet or intranet. dnl # dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl dnl # dnl # The following causes sendmail to additionally listen to port 587 for dnl # mail from MUAs that authenticate. Roaming users who can't reach their dnl # preferred sendmail daemon due to port 25 being blocked or redirected find dnl # this useful. dnl # dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=submission, Name=MSA, M=Ea')dnl dnl # dnl # The following causes sendmail to additionally listen to port 465, but dnl # starting immediately in TLS mode upon connecting. Port 25 or 587 followed dnl # by STARTTLS is preferred, but roaming clients using Outlook Express can't dnl # do STARTTLS on ports other than 25. Mozilla Mail can ONLY use STARTTLS dnl # and doesn't support the deprecated smtps; Evolution <1.1.1 uses smtps dnl # when SSL is enabled-- STARTTLS support is available in version 1.1.1. dnl # dnl # For this to work your OpenSSL certificates must be configured. dnl # dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtps, Name=TLSMTA, M=s')dnl dnl # dnl # The following causes sendmail to additionally listen on the IPv6 loopback dnl # device. Remove the loopback address restriction listen to the network. dnl # dnl # NOTE: binding both IPv4 and IPv6 daemon to the same port requires dnl # a kernel patch dnl # dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`port=smtp,Addr=::1, Name=MTA-v6, Family=inet6')dnl dnl # dnl # We strongly recommend not accepting unresolvable domains if you want to dnl # protect yourself from spam. However, the laptop and users on computers dnl # that do not have 24x7 DNS do need this. dnl # dnl FEATURE(`accept_unresolvable_domains')dnl dnl # FEATURE(`relay_based_on_MX')dnl dnl # dnl # Also accept email sent to "localhost.localdomain" as local email. dnl # LOCAL_DOMAIN(`localhost.localdomain')dnl dnl # dnl # The following example makes mail from this host and any additional dnl # specified domains appear to be sent from mydomain.com dnl # dnl MASQUERADE_AS(`mydomain.com')dnl dnl # dnl # masquerade not just the headers, but the envelope as well dnl # dnl FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl dnl # dnl # masquerade not just @mydomainalias.com, but @*.mydomainalias.com as well dnl # dnl FEATURE(masquerade_entire_domain)dnl dnl # dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(localhost)dnl dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(localhost.localdomain)dnl dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(mydomainalias.com)dnl dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(mydomain.lan)dnl MAILER(smtp)dnl MAILER(procmail)dnl -------------------------------- There is also an authinfo map that contains the SMTP AUTH information for my account. This is for RedHat, but it should be similar for *BSD -- Gregory G. "Wolfe" Woodbury `-_-' Owner/Admin: wolves.durham.nc.us ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us U "The Line Eater is a Hug your wolf. Boojum Snark" From vince at oahu.WURLDLINK.NET Sat May 10 07:42:12 2003 From: vince at oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (Vincent Poy) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:42:12 -1000 (HST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating from Majordomo to Mailman Message-ID: <20030509194052.F3312-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> Greetings all: I was wondering how difficult would it be to migrate from Majordomo to Mailman assuming that there are user lists as well as archives and also have Mailman handle the Majordomo@ alias. Thanks. Cheers, Vince - vince at WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1 at IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From narnett at mccmedia.com Sat May 10 15:58:26 2003 From: narnett at mccmedia.com (Nick Arnett) Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 06:58:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prevent unsubscribe due to content filtering? Message-ID: I have a couple of subscribers whose employers have installed rather overzealous content filtering on their MTAs. Even though there's nothing particularly salacious on the list in question, these MTAs are rejecting enough messages to cause these subscribers to be disabled and then unsubscribed. I'm trying to figure out the easiest way to persuade Mailman not to count "content" bounces toward unsubscribing. The MTA returns "550 Error: Content Rejected" as the bounce message. In the meantime, I'm experimenting with the bounce settings to slow it down, at least. Any suggestions? I guess there's a feature request there... Nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 narnett at mccmedia.com From RParr at TemporalArts.COM Sat May 10 23:58:30 2003 From: RParr at TemporalArts.COM (Randall J. Parr) Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:58:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to add existing mail to new list archive? Message-ID: <3EBD7606.90700@TemporalArts.com> How can I add existing mail to the archive of a newly created list? Preferably without sending it all through the new list. Thanks R.Parr Temporal Arts From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sun May 11 00:10:53 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 23:10:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to add existing mail to new list archive? In-Reply-To: <3EBD7606.90700@TemporalArts.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030510230720.03a25338@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 22:58 10/05/2003, Randall J. Parr wrote: >How can I add existing mail to the archive of a newly created list? >Preferably without sending it all through the new list. > >Thanks >R.Parr >Temporal Arts If you have it in the form of a UNIX mbox file you should be able to add at the start of the the list's mbox file ($prefix/archives/private/.mbox/.mbox) and then use the $prefix/bin/arch script to rebuild the list's archive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com Sun May 11 01:04:23 2003 From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery) Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 17:04:23 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A newsgroup security question In-Reply-To: <1052495098.3314.72.camel@anncons> References: <20030505184558.60989.qmail@web40806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3EBD3117.30808.4852C2@localhost> Someone, some spammer low-life, sent a spam to a mailing list I host that is a ported usenet newsgroup. Of course, a spamcop unloaded on my ISP who unloaded on me. The last time I went down this road, I was told that I couldn't setup security on a ported mailing list so that only the subscribers to my list and the newsgroup itself could send messages to and from the mailing list and newsgroup. If course, that was in 2.0.X days. I just upgraded to 2.1.1, and it looks pretty cool (now that I created the undocumented mailman mailing list). However, the options that control newsgroups don't look any different than they did. Is there a way to tighten up this security? While it is true that anyone on the whole net can spam Usenet, it's also true that if your server is caught doing it, you catch hell.... Thanks, Mike -- Mike Avery MAvery at mail.otherwhen.com ICQ: 16241692 AOL IM:MAvery81230 Phone: 970-642-0280 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: RAM = Rarely Adequate Memory From RParr at TemporalArts.COM Sun May 11 01:09:15 2003 From: RParr at TemporalArts.COM (Randall J. Parr) Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 16:09:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] recommended way to make archives searchable Message-ID: <3EBD869B.5010108@TemporalArts.com> I am using mailman (2.0.13 as provided by Red Hat 8.0). It's working nicely. I would like to make the archives searchable. What options are available/recommended? Thanks R.Parr Temporal Arts From sumeetp at hotmail.com Sun May 11 10:17:09 2003 From: sumeetp at hotmail.com (Sumeet) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 01:17:09 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] two errors causing shunting. Message-ID: I have two errors that cause most of my shunting with a stock mailman 2.1.2 and Python 2.2.2 both compiled on Red Hat 9 w/ stock 2.4.20-8 kernel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. They are: May 10 20:57:24 2003 (4146) SHUNTING: 1052625116.7849211+19dccb687bd137300e85be6 4c228d460e16287ab May 10 21:03:36 2003 (4146) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII encoding error: ord inal not in range(128) May 10 21:03:36 2003 (4146) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispo se more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopip eline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_dige sts send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n _digests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 305, in process t = unicode(t, 'ascii', 'replace').encode('ascii') UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) And: May 10 19:02:41 2003 (4146) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispo se more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopip eline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 75, in process prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 262, in prefix _subject h.append(s, c) File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 285, in append s = s.encode(outcodec, errors) LookupError: unknown encoding: gb2312 From kalin at el.net Sun May 11 11:12:04 2003 From: kalin at el.net (Kalin Mintchev) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 05:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] custom response to subscribtion request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: i was hoping someone can help... is it possible at all? On Fri, 9 May 2003, Kalin Mintchev wrote: > > hi, > > how can i do a custom response to the subscription request?... > i have a list running on a mailman server with a lot of other lists and > the client said that he wants the subscribers to his list to recieve > custom confirmation request and confirmation message... > i looked at the admin pages and around on google but could not find where > or how to set it up.... > > any suggestion will be appreciated.... > > thanks.... > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: kalin at el.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/kalin%40el.net > From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sun May 11 14:50:48 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 13:50:48 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] recommended way to make archives searchable In-Reply-To: <3EBD869B.5010108@TemporalArts.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030511134600.03be1d88@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 00:09 11/05/2003, Randall J. Parr wrote: >I am using mailman (2.0.13 as provided by Red Hat 8.0). >It's working nicely. > >I would like to make the archives searchable. > >What options are available/recommended? See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp I think that RH 8.0 ships with the Htdig 3.2 beta not the stable Htdig 3.1.6 version Some while back there was a thread on this list that touched on that. See: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg15512.html >Thanks >R.Parr >Temporal Arts > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From mitchell at cuip.net Sun May 11 16:27:12 2003 From: mitchell at cuip.net (Mitchell Marks) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 09:27:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] two errors causing shunting. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030511091246.04daf490@wit.uchicago.edu> (Just another data point ...) I also rather frequently see the first of these two errors, associated with a message going into shunt. The occasions when it happens are when BOTH of the following conditions hold: 1. The list has Personalization set to Yes (and there is a percent-substitution for fullname and address in the footer -- though i haven't experimented with this as a separate variable) 2. The message contains an extended-Ascii character with high bit on. E.g., begin/end quotes, copyright, \226 for a dash. These don't simply unshunt with bin/shunt, but I can get them to dislodge with a little preparation, either: A. I edit the .pck, substituting another character where I see the high-bit one. (Take care to keep the same number of characters or it will be tossed out as a bad pickle.) B. Go to the web admin interface for the list, turn off personalization (and save the substitution strings); run bin/unshunt; turn personalization back on (and restore the substitution strings). A bit of a pain either way. Today I'm hoping to transfer some lists to a server where we have MM 2.1.3 and am hoping that as a side benefit this problem might go away. (I've been seeing it in 2.1, 2.1.1, 2.1.2). regards, Mitch Marks At 03:17 AM 5/11/03, Sumeet wrote: >I have two errors that cause most of my shunting with a stock mailman >2.1.2 and Python 2.2.2 both compiled on Red Hat 9 w/ stock 2.4.20-8 >kernel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. They are: > >May 10 20:57:24 2003 (4146) SHUNTING: >1052625116.7849211+19dccb687bd137300e85be6 >4c228d460e16287ab >May 10 21:03:36 2003 (4146) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII encoding >error: ord >inal not in range(128) >May 10 21:03:36 2003 (4146) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in > _dispo >se > more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in > _dopip >eline > sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process > send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in > send_dige >sts > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in > send_i18n >_digests > msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 305, in > process > t = unicode(t, 'ascii', 'replace').encode('ascii') >UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) -- Mitchell Marks CUIP Tech Coordinator http://cuip.uchicago.edu CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project 5640 S Ellis Ave AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637 Telephone: Ofc 773-702-6041 Fax 702-8212 Home (v.m. only, ok any time) 241-7166 Email: Primary address: mitch at cuip.uchicago.edu Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems with cuip.uchicago.edu): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and mmar at midway.uchicago.edu Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at pobox.com Man in cafe (shouting on phone): Bouriana! Yes, that's me. Yes, I'm holding ... Bouriana. Bouriana! ... All right: B as in Bouriana, O as in Ouriana, U as in Uriana, R as in Riana, I as in Iana, A as in Ana, N as in Na, A as in --- Albert! Albert Bouriana! From marc at sharedbase.com Sun May 11 18:47:56 2003 From: marc at sharedbase.com (Marc Burgauer) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 17:47:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] PostgreSQL for subscriber's data? Message-ID: Hi Is it possible to store information for subscribers (password, e-mail, settings) and administrators/moderators in a PorstgreSQL database? Can somebody give me a link for a FAQ or how-to on UNIX (Solaris)? Cheers Marc From Mark at Rauterkus.com Sun May 11 20:24:05 2003 From: Mark at Rauterkus.com (Mark Rauterkus) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 13:24:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to add existing mail to new list archive? Message-ID: <200305111731.h4BHV4Vg046692@rauterkus.com> I TOO wanted to put some older messages (pre MM list) into the list archives. I don't have access to a UNIX .mbox file --- but I guess I could do it some other way. Just editing the .mbox file with a text editor didn't work. Does this workaround make sense? I guess I could set up a new user on the server. Mail all the messages into that new users account via email. Then, I'd go to that .mbox file and cut and paste the starting contents into the archive file. Then I'd clean up and nuke the new user's account, etc. - - - Perhaps it would be good to have a FAQ on this. Is there a few special characters that go into the start of a .mbox file that are not seen with a text editor? I guess I don't know the magic of a .mbox file and how it fits into the archives. So, I've got to know more about .mbox things to better know how to set up a great MM service. TIA > At 22:58 10/05/2003, Randall J. Parr wrote: >>How can I add existing mail to the archive of a newly created list? >>Preferably without sending it all through the new list. >> >>Thanks >>R.Parr >>Temporal Arts > > If you have it in the form of a UNIX mbox file you should be able to add at > the start of the the list's mbox file > ($prefix/archives/private/.mbox/.mbox) and then use the > $prefix/bin/arch script to rebuild the list's archive. > Ta. Mark Rauterkus mark at Rauterkus.com http://Rauterkus.com http://CLOH.Org http://Sunnyhill.org http://www.Deliberate.com Pittsburgh Interfaith Impact Network's first 'Public Action' was Feb 20, 2003 at Wesley Center A.M.E.-Zion Church. Thanks for lending your power to this effort and its Youth & Recreation Task Force. http://dorm.cloh.org From sumeetp at hotmail.com Sun May 11 20:57:04 2003 From: sumeetp at hotmail.com (Sumeet) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 11:57:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] two errors causing shunting. References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030511091246.04daf490@wit.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitchell Marks" To: "Sumeet" Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] two errors causing shunting. > (Just another data point ...) > > I also rather frequently see the first of these two errors, associated with > a message going into shunt. > > The occasions when it happens are when BOTH of the following conditions hold: > > 1. The list has Personalization set to Yes (and there is a > percent-substitution for fullname and address in the footer -- though i > haven't experimented with this as a separate variable) > > 2. The message contains an extended-Ascii character with high bit > on. E.g., begin/end quotes, copyright, \226 for a dash. > > These don't simply unshunt with bin/shunt, but I can get them to dislodge > with a little preparation, either: > > A. I edit the .pck, substituting another character where I see the > high-bit one. (Take care to keep the same number of characters or it will > be tossed out as a bad pickle.) > B. Go to the web admin interface for the list, turn off > personalization (and save the substitution strings); run bin/unshunt; turn > personalization back on (and restore the substitution strings). > > A bit of a pain either way. Today I'm hoping to transfer some lists to a > server where we have MM 2.1.3 and am hoping that as a side benefit this > problem might go away. (I've been seeing it in 2.1, 2.1.1, 2.1.2). > > regards, > > Mitch Marks > > At 03:17 AM 5/11/03, Sumeet wrote: > >I have two errors that cause most of my shunting with a stock mailman > >2.1.2 and Python 2.2.2 both compiled on Red Hat 9 w/ stock 2.4.20-8 > >kernel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. They are: > > > >May 10 20:57:24 2003 (4146) SHUNTING: > >1052625116.7849211+19dccb687bd137300e85be6 > >4c228d460e16287ab > >May 10 21:03:36 2003 (4146) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII encoding > >error: ord > >inal not in range(128) > >May 10 21:03:36 2003 (4146) Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop > > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile > > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in > > _dispo > >se > > more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in > > _dopip > >eline > > sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process > > send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in > > send_dige > >sts > > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in > > send_i18n > >_digests > > msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 305, in > > process > > t = unicode(t, 'ascii', 'replace').encode('ascii') > >UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) > > -- > Mitchell Marks > CUIP Tech Coordinator http://cuip.uchicago.edu > CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project > 5640 S Ellis Ave AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637 > > Telephone: Ofc 773-702-6041 > Fax 702-8212 > Home (v.m. only, ok any time) 241-7166 > Email: Primary address: mitch at cuip.uchicago.edu > Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems with > cuip.uchicago.edu): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and mmar at midway.uchicago.edu > Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at pobox.com > > Man in cafe (shouting on phone): Bouriana! Yes, that's me. Yes, I'm > holding ... Bouriana. Bouriana! ... All right: B as in Bouriana, O as > in Ouriana, U as in Uriana, R as in Riana, I as in Iana, A as in Ana, N as > in Na, A as in --- Albert! Albert Bouriana! > > Wow. Well I get about 500 of these a day so i don't have the luxury of doing that... From mitchell at cuip.net Sun May 11 21:41:05 2003 From: mitchell at cuip.net (Mitchell Marks) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:41:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] two errors causing shunting. In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030511091246.04daf490@wit.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030511143631.04d6bec0@wit.uchicago.edu> At 01:57 PM 5/11/03, Sumeet wrote: > > >Wow. Well I get about 500 of these a day so i don't have the luxury of doing >that... Oof! Well certainly you wouldn't do the by-hand fixups. But if it correlates for you, as it seems to for me, that the first problem occurs just for lists with personalization on, you could try giving up the personalization and see if that makes a difference. (Obviously it would be nicer to see this fixed). Good luck, Mitch >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mitchell Marks" >To: "Sumeet" >Cc: >Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:27 AM >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] two errors causing shunting. > > > > (Just another data point ...) > > > > I also rather frequently see the first of these two errors, associated >with > > a message going into shunt. > > > > The occasions when it happens are when BOTH of the following conditions >hold: > > > > 1. The list has Personalization set to Yes (and there is a > > percent-substitution for fullname and address in the footer -- though i > > haven't experimented with this as a separate variable) > > > > 2. The message contains an extended-Ascii character with high >bit > > on. E.g., begin/end quotes, copyright, \226 for a dash. > > > > These don't simply unshunt with bin/shunt, but I can get them to dislodge > > with a little preparation, either: > > > > A. I edit the .pck, substituting another character where I see >the > > high-bit one. (Take care to keep the same number of characters or it will > > be tossed out as a bad pickle.) > > B. Go to the web admin interface for the list, turn off > > personalization (and save the substitution strings); run bin/unshunt; turn > > personalization back on (and restore the substitution strings). > > > > A bit of a pain either way. Today I'm hoping to transfer some lists to a > > server where we have MM 2.1.3 and am hoping that as a side benefit this > > problem might go away. (I've been seeing it in 2.1, 2.1.1, 2.1.2). > > > > regards, > > > > Mitch Marks > > > > At 03:17 AM 5/11/03, Sumeet wrote: > > >I have two errors that cause most of my shunting with a stock mailman > > >2.1.2 and Python 2.2.2 both compiled on Red Hat 9 w/ stock 2.4.20-8 > > >kernel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. They are: > > > > > >May 10 20:57:24 2003 (4146) SHUNTING: > > >1052625116.7849211+19dccb687bd137300e85be6 > > >4c228d460e16287ab > > >May 10 21:03:36 2003 (4146) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII encoding > > >error: ord > > >inal not in range(128) > > >May 10 21:03:36 2003 (4146) Traceback (most recent call last): > > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in >_oneloop > > > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in >_onefile > > > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, >in > > > _dispo > > >se > > > more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) > > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, >in > > > _dopip > > >eline > > > sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in >process > > > send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in > > > send_dige > > >sts > > > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in > > > send_i18n > > >_digests > > > msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) > > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 305, in > > > process > > > t = unicode(t, 'ascii', 'replace').encode('ascii') > > >UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) > > > > -- > > Mitchell Marks > > CUIP Tech Coordinator http://cuip.uchicago.edu > > CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project > > 5640 S Ellis Ave AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637 > > > > Telephone: Ofc 773-702-6041 > > Fax 702-8212 > > Home (v.m. only, ok any time) 241-7166 > > Email: Primary address: mitch at cuip.uchicago.edu > > Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems with > > cuip.uchicago.edu): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and mmar at midway.uchicago.edu > > Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at pobox.com > > > > Man in cafe (shouting on phone): Bouriana! Yes, that's me. Yes, I'm > > holding ... Bouriana. Bouriana! ... All right: B as in Bouriana, O as > > in Ouriana, U as in Uriana, R as in Riana, I as in Iana, A as in Ana, N as > > in Na, A as in --- Albert! Albert Bouriana! > > From paul at thcwd.com Mon May 12 01:24:16 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 18:24:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] the mailman list catch 22 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030511181921.0345b000@mail.thcwd.com> Mike Avery wrote: >I just upgraded to 2.1.1, and it looks pretty cool (now that I created the >undocumented mailman mailing list). It's in the documentation, but you are instructed to create it after you start do mailmanctl start and get an error message saying group mailman does not exist. I thought a note about that had made it to the install readme for 2.1.2, but apparently it did not. <>< Paul From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Mon May 12 01:45:22 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:45:22 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] two errors causing shunting. References: Message-ID: <3EBEE092.8060901@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, Sumeet wrote: > I have two errors that cause most of my shunting with a stock mailman 2.1.2 and Python 2.2.2 both compiled on Red Hat 9 w/ stock 2.4.20-8 kernel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. They are: > (snip) > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 285, in append > s = s.encode(outcodec, errors) > LookupError: unknown encoding: gb2312 This is because we don't have chinese codecs in the mailman distribution. I wonder if you can check this and see if you can integrate into the mailman enviroment. http://sourceforge.net/projects/python-codecs -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon May 12 01:45:47 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 19:45:47 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] the mailman list catch 22 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030511181921.0345b000@mail.thcwd.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030511181921.0345b000@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: <20030511234547.GZ32053@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul H Byerly wrote: > It's in the documentation, but you are instructed to create it after you > start do mailmanctl start and get an error message saying group mailman > does not exist. I thought a note about that had made it to the install > readme for 2.1.2, but apparently it did not. It 2.1.2, the order is correct in the INSTALL file. You are instructed to create the site list first and then start mailmanctl. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed. -- Albert Einstein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+vuCruv+09NZUB1oRAp08AJ9s1PRAUzc/yij7BarGUExCgsCOnACg9bla Z5zir4lk8bzs1MPFm9Rd/TE= =akid -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Mon May 12 02:22:00 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:22:00 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] two errors causing shunting. References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030511091246.04daf490@wit.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <3EBEE928.4040608@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Mitchell, This will fix your problem, hopefully. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=664209&group_id=103&atid=300103 (sorry Sumeet, you really need chinese codecs.) Mitchell Marks wrote: > (Just another data point ...) > > I also rather frequently see the first of these two errors, associated > with a message going into shunt. > > The occasions when it happens are when BOTH of the following conditions > hold: > > 1. The list has Personalization set to Yes (and there is a > percent-substitution for fullname and address in the footer -- though i > haven't experimented with this as a separate variable) > > 2. The message contains an extended-Ascii character with high > bit on. E.g., begin/end quotes, copyright, \226 for a dash. > > These don't simply unshunt with bin/shunt, but I can get them to > dislodge with a little preparation, either: > > A. I edit the .pck, substituting another character where I see > the high-bit one. (Take care to keep the same number of characters or > it will be tossed out as a bad pickle.) > B. Go to the web admin interface for the list, turn off > personalization (and save the substitution strings); run bin/unshunt; > turn personalization back on (and restore the substitution strings). > > A bit of a pain either way. Today I'm hoping to transfer some lists to > a server where we have MM 2.1.3 and am hoping that as a side benefit > this problem might go away. (I've been seeing it in 2.1, 2.1.1, 2.1.2). > > regards, > > Mitch Marks > -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From sumeetp at hotmail.com Mon May 12 02:48:50 2003 From: sumeetp at hotmail.com (Sumeet) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 17:48:50 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] two errors causing shunting. References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030511091246.04daf490@wit.uchicago.edu> <3EBEE928.4040608@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: Well, i would get the codecs excpt the project says it has not released any files... so where do you people get these codecs? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tokio Kikuchi" To: "Mitchell Marks" Cc: "Sumeet" ; Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] two errors causing shunting. > Mitchell, > > This will fix your problem, hopefully. > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=664209&group_id=103&atid=300 103 > > (sorry Sumeet, you really need chinese codecs.) > > Mitchell Marks wrote: > > (Just another data point ...) > > > > I also rather frequently see the first of these two errors, associated > > with a message going into shunt. > > > > The occasions when it happens are when BOTH of the following conditions > > hold: > > > > 1. The list has Personalization set to Yes (and there is a > > percent-substitution for fullname and address in the footer -- though i > > haven't experimented with this as a separate variable) > > > > 2. The message contains an extended-Ascii character with high > > bit on. E.g., begin/end quotes, copyright, \226 for a dash. > > > > These don't simply unshunt with bin/shunt, but I can get them to > > dislodge with a little preparation, either: > > > > A. I edit the .pck, substituting another character where I see > > the high-bit one. (Take care to keep the same number of characters or > > it will be tossed out as a bad pickle.) > > B. Go to the web admin interface for the list, turn off > > personalization (and save the substitution strings); run bin/unshunt; > > turn personalization back on (and restore the substitution strings). > > > > A bit of a pain either way. Today I'm hoping to transfer some lists to > > a server where we have MM 2.1.3 and am hoping that as a side benefit > > this problem might go away. (I've been seeing it in 2.1, 2.1.1, 2.1.2). > > > > regards, > > > > Mitch Marks > > > -- > Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp > http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ > > From clay at dawning.com.cn Mon May 12 03:31:05 2003 From: clay at dawning.com.cn (clay at dawning.com.cn) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:31:05 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] two errors causing shunting. In-Reply-To: <3EBEE092.8060901@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <3EBEE092.8060901@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20030512013105.GA26299@dawning.com.cn> On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 08:45:22AM +0900, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > Hi, > > Sumeet wrote: > >I have two errors that cause most of my shunting with a stock mailman > >2.1.2 and Python 2.2.2 both compiled on Red Hat 9 w/ stock 2.4.20-8 > >kernel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. They are: > > > (snip) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 285, in append > > s = s.encode(outcodec, errors) > >LookupError: unknown encoding: gb2312 > > This is because we don't have chinese codecs in the mailman distribution. > > I wonder if you can check this and see if you can integrate into the > mailman enviroment. > http://sourceforge.net/projects/python-codecs This project hasn't released any files, but you can get it from its CVS repositary. -- Isaac Claymore /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Dawning Inc. \ / Respect for open standards Beijing, China X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.dawning.com.cn / \ No M$ Word docs in email From kalin at el.net Mon May 12 03:35:16 2003 From: kalin at el.net (Kalin Mintchev) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 21:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] custom response to subscribtion request (fwd) Message-ID: On Sun, 11 May 2003, Heath Raftery wrote: > Try editing > $prefix/template/your_language/subscribeack.txt thanks.... but isn't that chenging it for all the lists?!? > > Heath > > On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 07:12 PM, Kalin Mintchev wrote: > > > > > i was hoping someone can help... > > is it possible at all? > > > > > > On Fri, 9 May 2003, Kalin Mintchev wrote: > > > >> > >> hi, > >> > >> how can i do a custom response to the subscription request?... > >> i have a list running on a mailman server with a lot of other lists > >> and > >> the client said that he wants the subscribers to his list to recieve > >> custom confirmation request and confirmation message... > >> i looked at the admin pages and around on google but could not find > >> where > >> or how to set it up.... > >> > >> any suggestion will be appreciated.... > >> > >> thanks.... > > From paul at thcwd.com Mon May 12 05:58:29 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 22:58:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] need some cookie ingredients Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030511225758.03564e90@mail.themarriagebed.com> I want to use the cookie set when a user logs into the private archives, but after a lot of digging and searching I can find nothing on this. Specifically I need the e-mail address that was entered when the cookie was set. And help or pointing in the right direction is appreciated. Reality: a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there! <>< Paul From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon May 12 06:18:40 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 00:18:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] custom response to subscribtion request (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030512041840.GD32053@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kalin Mintchev wrote: > On Sun, 11 May 2003, Heath Raftery wrote: > >> Try editing $prefix/template/your_language/subscribeack.txt > > thanks.... but isn't that chenging it for all the lists?!? Yeah, it would. You can copy the file to lists/// and then edit it just for one list. I didn't see the original post, so I don't know if you mentioned what version you're using. This only works for 2.1 and up. I'm guessing that's what you have, but I mention it to save you some hair pulling if you're using 2.0. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Software is like sex; it's better when it's free. -- Linus Torvalds, creator of the Linux kernel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+vyCfuv+09NZUB1oRAhmYAJ9PlxqIPBl2qFk79xB4gugcK045mACfT4SR RXxEPgw60RLLHBbdePqnNFE= =YXUY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From clay at dawning.com.cn Mon May 12 09:31:35 2003 From: clay at dawning.com.cn (clay at dawning.com.cn) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:31:35 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] two errors causing shunting. In-Reply-To: <3EBEE092.8060901@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <3EBEE092.8060901@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20030512073135.GC27240@dawning.com.cn> On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 08:45:22AM +0900, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > Hi, > > Sumeet wrote: > >I have two errors that cause most of my shunting with a stock mailman > >2.1.2 and Python 2.2.2 both compiled on Red Hat 9 w/ stock 2.4.20-8 > >kernel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. They are: > > > (snip) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 285, in append > > s = s.encode(outcodec, errors) > >LookupError: unknown encoding: gb2312 I've installed the codecs, and still got similar errors(whenever post subject includes gb2312 chars) : May 12 15:17:33 2003 (28321) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 75, in process prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 262, in prefix_subject h.append(s, c) File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 285, in append s = s.encode(outcodec, errors) LookupError: unknown encoding ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Very strangely, the LookupError didn't give the encoding name, like Sumeet's. Any hint or suggestion is greatly appreciated. > This is because we don't have chinese codecs in the mailman distribution. > > I wonder if you can check this and see if you can integrate into the > mailman enviroment. > http://sourceforge.net/projects/python-codecs -- Isaac Claymore /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Dawning Inc. \ / Respect for open standards Beijing, China X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.dawning.com.cn / \ No M$ Word docs in email From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon May 12 10:54:25 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:54:25 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] need some cookie ingredients In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030511225758.03564e90@mail.themarriagebed.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030512095133.03faf2f0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 04:58 12/05/2003, Paul H Byerly wrote: > I want to use the cookie set when a user logs into the private > archives, but after a lot of digging and searching I can find nothing on > this. Specifically I need the e-mail address that was entered when the > cookie was set. And help or pointing in the right direction is appreciated. Time to learn to read Python. If you look in $build/Mailman/SecurityManger.py you will find the function CheckCookie(). Follow your nose from there. >Reality: a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there! ><>< Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From Bobby at Life-eXtreme.com Mon May 12 12:25:42 2003 From: Bobby at Life-eXtreme.com (Bobbejaan van Elst) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:25:42 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] TypeError: iterable argument required Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030512121727.038fc860@mail.the-mask.net> Hi, I've a question, I get the following error below when i send a mail to 1 of my mailing lists... I get this error since a couple of days. Before yesterday it all works fine.. I have re-installed mailman, after that it worked a couple of times, now I get the error again :( Someone a idea? Greets, Bobbejaan >Subject: Mailman post from root at the-mask.net requires approval >From: mailman-owner at the-mask.net >To: mailman-owner at the-mask.net >Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:00:09 +0200 >X-BeenThere: mailman at the-mask.net >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 >List-Id: >X-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean >Sender: mailman-bounces at the-mask.net > >As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the >following mailing list posting: > > List: Mailman at the-mask.net > From: root at the-mask.net > Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S > /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests > Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list > >At your convenience, visit: > > http://the-mask.net/mailman/admindb/mailman > >to approve or deny the request. >Received: from the-mask.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > by the-mask.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4CA05sG012385 > for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 12:00:05 +0200 >Received: (from mailman at localhost) > by the-mask.net (8.12.8/8.12.1/Submit) id h4CA05KZ012383 > for mailman; Mon, 12 May 2003 12:00:05 +0200 >Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:00:05 +0200 >Message-Id: <200305121000.h4CA05KZ012383 at the-mask.net> >From: root at the-mask.net (Cron Daemon) >To: mailman at the-mask.net >Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S > /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests >X-Cron-Env: >X-Cron-Env: >X-Cron-Env: >X-Cron-Env: >X-MailScanner: Found to be clean > >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ? > main() > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main > mlist.send_digest_now() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now > ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in > send_digests > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in > send_i18n_digests > msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257, in > process > url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 349, in > save_attachment > ext = guess_extension(ctype, fnext) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 80, in > guess_extension > if ext in all: >TypeError: iterable argument required >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Subject: confirm 2ff993ed3639ab59de7067399f1229ef4fdbb327 >Sender: mailman-request at the-mask.net >From: mailman-request at the-mask.net > >If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, >Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is >spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header >with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting >to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line >of the body of the reply. Met vriendelijke groet, Bobbejaan van Elst http://www.Life-eXtreme.com http://www.the-mask.net From deego at gnufans.org Mon May 12 12:57:15 2003 From: deego at gnufans.org (D. Goel) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:57:15 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] obfuscating email addresses Message-ID: <878ytcph4e.fsf@gnufans.net> I know this must be a FAQ. I searched archives, but no luck :( My spam increased dramatically after i started running mailman some 4 weeks ago. You must have all seen the article that estimates that most spam comes from email addresses being listed verbatim on webpages. Mailman lists the list addresses and admin's addresses verbatim on the webpage of the lists I run. How do i ask mailman to obfuscate them? I guess I could "supply" the obfuscated address in the first place for admin's email address but that would be wrong? -- because mailman itself uses that email to send notifications? Mailman Version: ,---- | deego at gnufans:~$ dpkg -s mailman | Package: mailman | Status: install ok installed | Priority: optional | Section: mail | Installed-Size: 2340 | Maintainer: Tollef Fog Heen | Version: 2.0.11-1woody5 `---- DG http://gnufans.net/ -- From guallar at easternrad.com Mon May 12 13:54:50 2003 From: guallar at easternrad.com (Josep L. Guallar-Esteve) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:54:50 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] custom response to subscribtion request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200305120754.50946.guallar@easternrad.com> On Friday 09 May 2003 04:04 pm, Kalin Mintchev wrote: > hi, Hi Kalin, > how can i do a custom response to the subscription request?... Properly configuring Mailman for that list. > i have a list running on a mailman server with a lot of other lists and > the client said that he wants the subscribers to his list to recieve > custom confirmation request and confirmation message... > i looked at the admin pages and around on google but could not find where > or how to set it up.... Open your browser, go to the admin URL for that list (something like http://www.company.com/mailman/admin/your_list_name/autoreply ). Enter admin password. Note the several text boxes. Enter the desired text on the "Auto-response text to send to -request emails. (Details)" text box... or from a file that you can upload. Hope this helps. Salut, Josep -- Josep L. Guallar-Esteve Eastern Radiologists, Inc. Systems and Network Administration http://www.easternrad.com From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Mon May 12 15:37:23 2003 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:37:23 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mandrake 9.1 / ImportError: No module named getopt Message-ID: <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Hello, I receive a couple error lines by starting mailman under ML 9.1. Python is installed via RPMs, mailman was build manually by the install scripts which you provide. The initializing error message: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? import getopt ImportError: No module named getopt Could not find platform independent libraries Could not find platform dependent libraries Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback But from python -v I get: # /usr/lib/python2.2/getopt.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/getopt.py import getopt # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/getopt.pyc and # cleanup[1] getopt so it seems that everythink is pretty fine, but I can't bring it to work. Any suggestions? Next thing I would try is to build the python packages manually. - oliver -- Oliver Egginger Giessen-Friedberg University of Applied Sciences Wiesenstrasse 14 35390 Giessen Tel. +49 641 309-1283 Fax +49 641 309-1288 From slav at gnt.kiev.ua Mon May 12 15:37:25 2003 From: slav at gnt.kiev.ua (Vyacheslav V. Hraychenko) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:37:25 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] test Message-ID: sorry, test ???? Vyacheslav Hraychenko System administrator GENET Ltd, ZEOS Internet, +380 44 2540054, RIPE: VVH1-RIPE From creative.computing at PTSEM.EDU Mon May 12 15:40:47 2003 From: creative.computing at PTSEM.EDU (Computing, Creative) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:40:47 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Installed, but won't send mail Message-ID: <0509DF30C7A3EE4C9502E3C6C19C29210273C8BC@coaster.ptsem.edu> Hey all, i recently installed mailman on RedHat 9, I installed it from the files off of list.org rather than the rpm via the advice i've noticed on here. My problemo now is that i have set mailman up, iam able to create a list, but it seems it is not actually sending the mail. If anyone could help me out with some advice, it would be much appriciated. I know the issue is rather broad but i'm sure you guys & gals could lead me in the right direction. Thanks ahead of time :) Mike From slav at gnt.kiev.ua Mon May 12 16:02:06 2003 From: slav at gnt.kiev.ua (Vyacheslav V. Hraychenko) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:02:06 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown encoding: koi8-u Message-ID: I have installed mailman-2.1.1 on FreeBSD 4.3, python-2.2.2. 1. koi8-u Everything is allright, but messages with encoding koi8-u don't passed via mailman with error in /usr/local/mailman/logs/error: May 12 16:01:23 2003 (94656) Uncaught runner exception: unknown encoding: koi8-u May 12 16:01:23 2003 (94656) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 75, in process prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 262, in prefix_subject h.append(s, c) File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 243, in append s = s.encode(outcodec) LookupError: unknown encoding: koi8-u May 12 16:01:23 2003 (94656) SHUNTING: 1052744482.301124+5a96c77f46308c7dcb6d89cd9cc4887861da7d18 ################# 2. wrapping footer When I send message in plane text koi8-r encoding, mailman adds its footer to the end of original plane text message. But when I send message in plane text win-1251 encoding, mailman adds its footer as attachment. How to forbid wraping mailman's footer as atachment for win-1251 encoding??? ################## thanks Vyacheslav Hraychenko System administrator GENET Ltd, ZEOS Internet, +380 44 2540054, RIPE: VVH1-RIPE From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon May 12 16:38:07 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:38:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Installed, but won't send mail In-Reply-To: <0509DF30C7A3EE4C9502E3C6C19C29210273C8BC@coaster.ptsem.edu > Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030512152614.03f5e008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 14:40 12/05/2003, Computing, Creative wrote: >Hey all, i recently installed mailman on RedHat 9, I installed it from the >files off of list.org rather than the rpm via the advice i've noticed on >here. My problemo now is that i have set mailman up, iam able to create a >list, but it seems it is not actually sending the mail. If anyone could >help me out with some advice, it would be much appriciated. I know the >issue is rather broad but i'm sure you guys & gals could lead me in the >right direction. Thanks ahead of time :) > >Mike You do not say what version of MM you installed; I do not know what version is being published on lists.org, I always download the latest stable release from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 Assume you have read and followed all the instructions in the $build/INSTALL file. Have you installed the mailman user's crontab ($prefix/cron/crontab.in) so that the qrunner is being executed regularly (MM 2.0.x versions) or started $prefix/bin/mailmanctl (MM 2.1.x versions)? What does the log for the MTA on your server (for instance /var/logs/mail) say is happening to incoming mail addressing to your list aliases. Do any of the Mailman log files in $prefix/mailman/logs give any indication of what is happening? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From khera at kcilink.com Mon May 12 16:49:37 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:49:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prevent unsubscribe due to content filtering? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16063.46209.371885.3313@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "NA" == Nick Arnett writes: NA> I'm trying to figure out the easiest way to persuade Mailman not to count NA> "content" bounces toward unsubscribing. The MTA returns "550 Error: Content NA> Rejected" as the bounce message. So you want to give them no incetive to fix their broken filters? Just imagine the amount of other ligitimate mail they are losing... If people don't notice they stop getting some expected mail and complain to their admins, things will never improve WRT filtering. There are a *LOT* of really bad filtering software out there. Just say "no" to them! ;-) From Cynthia.Leslie at CitationSoftware.com Mon May 12 20:09:42 2003 From: Cynthia.Leslie at CitationSoftware.com (Cynthia.Leslie at CitationSoftware.com) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:09:42 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive URL for 3rd-party search engine Message-ID: <03e401c318b1$bdc83b00$0201000a@ma.charter.com> Hello. My company manages several Web sites that are hosted on a dedicated server maintained by an out-of-state ISP. This ISP offers us the use of a Mailman mailing-list system. We have configured the system for a mailing list that we want to host, and it works fine except that it does not allow us to search its archives. I believe that I can probably set up my own archive-searching system by using a third-party search engine (e.g., FreeFind, Google Lycos) to do a site-specific search. However, I am having trouble determining what the URL for the site should be. The domain for our list is list.objectinnovations.com.grassroots-marketing and, as I've said, it's hosted by our ISP, whose URL is www.intermedia.net. I have tried the following URLs: http://list.objectinnovations.com/Grassroots-marketing http://mailman.intermedia.net/mailman/listinfo/grassroots-marketing http://mailman.intermedia.net/pipermail/grassroots-marketing None of these seem to work. Can someone help? Thanks. - Cynthia Leslie From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon May 12 17:18:06 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:18:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive URL for 3rd-party search engine In-Reply-To: <03e401c318b1$bdc83b00$0201000a@ma.charter.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030512161145.038c8b40@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 19:09 12/05/2003, Cynthia.Leslie at CitationSoftware.com wrote: >Hello. > >My company manages several Web sites that are hosted on a dedicated server >maintained by an out-of-state ISP. This ISP offers us the use of a Mailman >mailing-list system. We have configured the system for a mailing list that >we want to host, and it works fine except that it does not allow us to >search its archives. > >I believe that I can probably set up my own archive-searching system by >using a third-party search engine (e.g., FreeFind, Google Lycos) to do a >site-specific search. However, I am having trouble determining what the >URL for the site should be. > >The domain for our list is list.objectinnovations.com.grassroots-marketing >and, as I've said, it's hosted by our ISP, whose URL is >www.intermedia.net. I have tried the following URLs: > >http://list.objectinnovations.com/Grassroots-marketing > >http://mailman.intermedia.net/mailman/listinfo/grassroots-marketing > >http://mailman.intermedia.net/pipermail/grassroots-marketing > >None of these seem to work. > >Can someone help? > >Thanks. > >- Cynthia Leslie http://mailman.intermedia.net/pipermail/grassroots-marketing/ worked for me. It is the arget of the link on http://list.objectinnovations.com/mailman/listinfo/grassroots-marketing under the heading "How to see prior postings". http://mailman.intermedia.net/pipermail/grassroots-marketing/index.html also works OK But http://mailman.intermedia.net/pipermail/grassroots-marketing does not work. If it were me, I would ask the ISP to put a RewriteRule into the Apache httpd.conf file so that it did. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From Bobby at Life-eXtreme.com Mon May 12 17:39:45 2003 From: Bobby at Life-eXtreme.com (Bobbejaan van Elst) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:39:45 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] TypeError: iterable argument required In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030512121727.038fc860@mail.the-mask.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030512173731.03363b28@192.168.0.1> I see this in the error log: ======= May 12 14:58:03 2003 (28608) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 89, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in send_i18n_digests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257, in process url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 349, in save_attachment ext = guess_extension(ctype, fnext) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 80, in guess_extension if ext in all: TypeError: iterable argument required May 12 14:58:03 2003 (28608) SHUNTING: 1052743802.603521+45af8789227af751dcfde9e3ef539c543cf7590e =============== I've updated python to version 2.2.2-7 still the same problemen... At 12:25 5/12/2003 +0200, Bobbejaan van Elst wrote: >Hi, > >I've a question, I get the following error below when i send a mail to 1 >of my mailing lists... I get this error since a couple of days. Before >yesterday it all works fine.. > >I have re-installed mailman, after that it worked a couple of times, now I >get the error again :( > >Someone a idea? > >Greets, > >Bobbejaan > >>Subject: Mailman post from root at the-mask.net requires approval >>From: mailman-owner at the-mask.net >>To: mailman-owner at the-mask.net >>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:00:09 +0200 >>X-BeenThere: mailman at the-mask.net >>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 >>List-Id: >>X-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean >>Sender: mailman-bounces at the-mask.net >> >>As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the >>following mailing list posting: >> >> List: Mailman at the-mask.net >> From: root at the-mask.net >> Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S >> /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests >> Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list >> >>At your convenience, visit: >> >> http://the-mask.net/mailman/admindb/mailman >> >>to approve or deny the request. >>Received: from the-mask.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) >> by the-mask.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4CA05sG012385 >> for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 12:00:05 +0200 >>Received: (from mailman at localhost) >> by the-mask.net (8.12.8/8.12.1/Submit) id h4CA05KZ012383 >> for mailman; Mon, 12 May 2003 12:00:05 +0200 >>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:00:05 +0200 >>Message-Id: <200305121000.h4CA05KZ012383 at the-mask.net> >>From: root at the-mask.net (Cron Daemon) >>To: mailman at the-mask.net >>Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S >> /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests >>X-Cron-Env: >>X-Cron-Env: >>X-Cron-Env: >>X-Cron-Env: >>X-MailScanner: Found to be clean >> >>Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ? >> main() >> File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main >> mlist.send_digest_now() >> File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now >> ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp) >> File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 130, in >> send_digests >> send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) >> File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 303, in >> send_i18n_digests >> msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) >> File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257, in >> process >> url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir) >> File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 349, in >> save_attachment >> ext = guess_extension(ctype, fnext) >> File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 80, in >> guess_extension >> if ext in all: >>TypeError: iterable argument required >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>Subject: confirm 2ff993ed3639ab59de7067399f1229ef4fdbb327 >>Sender: mailman-request at the-mask.net >>From: mailman-request at the-mask.net >> >>If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, >>Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is >>spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header >>with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting >>to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line >>of the body of the reply. > > >Met vriendelijke groet, > > Bobbejaan van Elst >http://www.Life-eXtreme.com > http://www.the-mask.net >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: bobby at life-extreme.com >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bobby%40life-extreme.com Met vriendelijke groet, Bobbejaan van Elst http://www.Life-eXtreme.com http://www.the-mask.net From erecio at polywog.navpoint.com Mon May 12 17:46:34 2003 From: erecio at polywog.navpoint.com (E M Recio) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing WebArchive Messages? Message-ID: <37816.147.140.233.16.1052754394.squirrel@polywog.navpoint.com> Do you know how to remove web archive messages? Is there a way to do it from teh web interface, or using commandline tools? I would rather have our clients be able to do that themselves, but if necessary I'll do it for them on request (i don't want to give them shell access on our primary web server.) I'd be tempted to just remove the HTML file (if there is one), but wanted to make sure that it won't break anything else. TIA ~E From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com Mon May 12 18:29:07 2003 From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:29:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ported newsgroup security question In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030512173731.03363b28@192.168.0.1> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030512121727.038fc860@mail.the-mask.net> Message-ID: <3EBF7773.7352.92BA72F@localhost> Not too long ago, I was beaten up by some SpamCop folks because someone sent a spam to a mailing list I run that is ported to a usenet newsgroup. When I set up my 2.0.12 Mailman server, I looked at the security available and found that trying to restrict posting to members of the mailing list meant that messages from the newsgroup were rejected instead of being passed on to the mailing list. I asked this mailing list asked if security could be tightened at that time and was told no, it couldn't. At least not then. After getting beaten up by Spamcop, I upgraded to 2.1.1. (The 2.1.2 version isn't in the FreeBSD ports system yet.) The options for securing mailing list to newsgroup ports don't seem a lot different. So, I was wondering if anyone has tried to tighten the security on mailing lists ported to newsgroups, what you did, and how it worked out. Thanks, Mike From nneul at umr.edu Mon May 12 18:34:24 2003 From: nneul at umr.edu (Neulinger, Nathan) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:34:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] recent cvs update requires newer msgmerge Message-ID: Is this something that can reasonably be worked around? A recent cvs update now requires the -U option to msgmerge. This breaks build compatability with redhat-7.1. -- Nathan ------------------------------------------------------------ Nathan Neulinger EMail: nneul at umr.edu University of Missouri - Rolla Phone: (573) 341-4841 Computing Services Fax: (573) 341-4216 From wheakory at isu.edu Mon May 12 20:13:38 2003 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:13:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Administrative Requests functions Message-ID: <3EBFE452.8080609@isu.edu> I receive this below error when I go into the Administrative Interface and check "Preserve messsages for the site administrator" and then I check the discard option. Once I click submit this is what I receive below. BUG in Mailman version 2.1.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 163, in main process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 681, in process_form forward, forwardaddr) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 184, in HandleRequest forward, addr) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 262, in __handlepost msg = cPickle.load(fp) ValueError: could not convert string to float -- Kory Wheatley Academic Computing Analyst Sr. Phone 282-3874 ######################################### Everything must point to him. From sumeetp at hotmail.com Tue May 13 08:33:59 2003 From: sumeetp at hotmail.com (Sumeet) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 23:33:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] making shunting faster Message-ID: I've got over 3000 messages waiting to be shunted and Mailman likes to take it's time. Does anyone feel like addressing replacing: File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 305, in process t = unicode(t, 'ascii', 'replace').encode('ascii') UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) with t=unicodet, 'ascii', 'ignore').encode('ascii') Is anyone of the opintion that that will make things more reasonable for me? Do I just change the line in Scrubber.py or do i need to recompile mailman/python afterwards? Please let's discuss From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Tue May 13 09:40:22 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:40:22 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] two errors causing shunting. References: <3EBEE092.8060901@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <20030512073135.GC27240@dawning.com.cn> Message-ID: <3EC0A166.9070506@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, chinese users. I was playing on the ChineseCodecs and made a tar ball suitable for including in the mailman distribution. http://mm.tkikuchi.net/ChineseCodecs-1.1.0p.tar.gz Place it in the $(sourcedir)/misc and you will have to rewite Makefile.in and paths.py.in then configure and make install. Rewriting is rather easy because there are ja and ko entries. Please test if it works for you. Cheers, clay at dawning.com.cn wrote: > On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 08:45:22AM +0900, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>Sumeet wrote: >> >>>I have two errors that cause most of my shunting with a stock mailman >>>2.1.2 and Python 2.2.2 both compiled on Red Hat 9 w/ stock 2.4.20-8 >>>kernel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. They are: >>> >> -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From listmod at camarilla.white-wolf.com Tue May 13 11:12:21 2003 From: listmod at camarilla.white-wolf.com (Dan Wright US2002021042) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:12:21 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] custom response to subscribtion request In-Reply-To: <200305120754.50946.guallar@easternrad.com> References: <200305120754.50946.guallar@easternrad.com> Message-ID: <1052817095.19507.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> This will only work if they reply to the confrimation email (if there is one setup). This will *NOT* work if they go to the URL provided. On Mon, 2003-05-12 at 07:54, Josep L. Guallar-Esteve wrote: > On Friday 09 May 2003 04:04 pm, Kalin Mintchev wrote: > > hi, > > Hi Kalin, > > > how can i do a custom response to the subscription request?... > > Properly configuring Mailman for that list. > > > i have a list running on a mailman server with a lot of other lists and > > the client said that he wants the subscribers to his list to recieve > > custom confirmation request and confirmation message... > > i looked at the admin pages and around on google but could not find where > > or how to set it up.... > > Open your browser, go to the admin URL for that list (something like > http://www.company.com/mailman/admin/your_list_name/autoreply ). Enter admin > password. > > Note the several text boxes. Enter the desired text on the "Auto-response text > to send to -request emails. (Details)" text box... or from a file that you > can upload. > > Hope this helps. > > > > Salut, > Josep -- --(Dan Wright)- -- ---- ----------------- --- -- - - -- ANTA: List and Forum Moderation -- AIM: rulesninja -- Email: listmod at camarilla.white-wolf.com -- Web: http://www.elysiumgrounds.com/~listmodmod -- Lists: http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/mailman/listinfo -- Mailman FAQ: http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/lists/ --(US2002021042)-- ---- ------------------------------- --- -- - - From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Tue May 13 12:08:26 2003 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:08:26 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mandrake 9.1 / ImportError: No module namedgetopt In-Reply-To: <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> References: <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Message-ID: <1052820480.20916.26.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Hello again, It seems that it is caused by the line 255 from mailmanctl: os.execl(mm_cfg.PYTHON, 'qrunner', exe, rswitch, '-s') When I start the qrunners manually everything seems to work fine. But I can't use the mailmanctl script. I think the reason is, that the python enviroment variables are not set properly during the call of os.execl. But I don't know why. (I'am no phyton developer.) Also it seems that this only happens under some Mandrake and RedHat distributions. When I write a little test python script I can import getopt and other stuff smoothly. The qrunner script works also fine when it don't get invoked by an os.execl call. - oliver Am Mon, 2003-05-12 um 15.37 schrieb Oliver Egginger: > Hello, > > I receive a couple error lines by starting mailman under ML 9.1. > Python is installed via RPMs, mailman was build manually by the install > scripts which you provide. > > The initializing error message: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? > import getopt > ImportError: No module named getopt > Could not find platform independent libraries > Could not find platform dependent libraries > Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback > > > But from python -v I get: > > # /usr/lib/python2.2/getopt.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/getopt.py > import getopt # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/getopt.pyc > and > # cleanup[1] getopt > > so it seems that everythink is pretty fine, but I can't bring it to > work. > Any suggestions? > > Next thing I would try is to build the python packages manually. > > > - oliver > -- Oliver Egginger Fachochschule Giessen-Friedberg From clay at dawning.com.cn Tue May 13 11:40:17 2003 From: clay at dawning.com.cn (clay at dawning.com.cn) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:40:17 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] two errors causing shunting. In-Reply-To: <3EC0A166.9070506@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <3EBEE092.8060901@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <20030512073135.GC27240@dawning.com.cn> <3EC0A166.9070506@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20030513094017.GI11389@dawning.com.cn> On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 04:40:22PM +0900, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > Hi, chinese users. > > I was playing on the ChineseCodecs and made a tar ball suitable > for including in the mailman distribution. > http://mm.tkikuchi.net/ChineseCodecs-1.1.0p.tar.gz > Place it in the $(sourcedir)/misc and you will have to rewite > Makefile.in and paths.py.in then configure and make install. > Rewriting is rather easy because there are ja and ko entries. > > Please test if it works for you. > Great! It works ;) But there was a pitfall I met: I'd installed the stock ChineseCodecs on my box(under one of Python's standard module paths), and, at least on my box, that conflicted with Tokio's tar ball in some way, and prevented mailman from supporting simplified chinese properly. After removed those codecs, everything works just fine ;) Thanks for the tar ball and instructions. -- Isaac Claymore | clay at dawning.com.cn HPC Division | Home: 86-10-62545415 Dawning Inc. | Office: 86-10-62536383-8815 Beijing, China | Mobile: 86-13911256050 http://devel.dawning.com.cn/Members/clay/ From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue May 13 12:21:15 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:21:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mandrake 9.1 / ImportError: No module namedgetopt In-Reply-To: <1052820480.20916.26.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> References: <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030513111018.03a82008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 11:08 13/05/2003, Oliver Egginger wrote: >Hello again, > >It seems that it is caused by the line 255 from mailmanctl: > >os.execl(mm_cfg.PYTHON, 'qrunner', exe, rswitch, '-s') Just a thought, but what is the value of the variable PYTHON in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py and is this the same as the results of executing "which python" from the command line? If they are not the same then this might hint at the cause of your problem. Did you add a --with-python option when you ran ./configure? If so with what value? >When I start the qrunners manually everything seems to work >fine. But I can't use the mailmanctl script. > >I think the reason is, that the python enviroment variables >are not set properly during the call of os.execl. >But I don't know why. >(I'am no phyton developer.) > >Also it seems that this only happens under some Mandrake and >RedHat distributions. > >When I write a little test python script I can import getopt >and other stuff smoothly. > >The qrunner script works also fine when it don't get invoked by >an os.execl call. > >- oliver > > >Am Mon, 2003-05-12 um 15.37 schrieb Oliver Egginger: > > Hello, > > > > I receive a couple error lines by starting mailman under ML 9.1. > > Python is installed via RPMs, mailman was build manually by the install > > scripts which you provide. > > > > The initializing error message: > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? > > import getopt > > ImportError: No module named getopt > > Could not find platform independent libraries > > Could not find platform dependent libraries > > Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] > > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback > > > > > > But from python -v I get: > > > > # /usr/lib/python2.2/getopt.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/getopt.py > > import getopt # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/getopt.pyc > > and > > # cleanup[1] getopt > > > > so it seems that everythink is pretty fine, but I can't bring it to > > work. > > Any suggestions? > > > > Next thing I would try is to build the python packages manually. > > > > > > - oliver > > >-- >Oliver Egginger >Fachochschule Giessen-Friedberg > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Tue May 13 13:46:23 2003 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:46:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mandrake 9.1 / ImportError: No module namedgetopt In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030513111018.03a82008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> References: <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <5.1.1.6.0.20030513111018.03a82008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <1052826383.3ec0db0fce589@www.fh-giessen.de> Richard Barrett wrote: > > > >It seems that it is caused by the line 255 from mailmanctl: > > > >os.execl(mm_cfg.PYTHON, 'qrunner', exe, rswitch, '-s') > > Just a thought, but what is the value of the variable PYTHON in > $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py and is this the same as the results of > executing "which python" from the command line? > Default.py keeps: PYTHON = '/usr/bin/python' and there are no overrides in mm.cfg. The command 'ls -l /usr/bin/python' shows me: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3712 Feb 5 10:41 /usr/bin/python* Also if there where a wrong path it should break with a command or file not found error, I think. For example: I write a little test script called test.py here it is -------------------------------------> SNIP #! /usr/bin/python import getopt print "Hallo\n"; print (getopt.error); print "\n"; -------------------------------------> If I start it from commandline it works faultless but if I call it from within the mailmanctl script changing the lines 254 and 255 to the following: exe = os.path.join(mm_cfg.BIN_DIR, 'test.py') os.execl(mm_cfg.PYTHON, 'qrunner', exe, rswitch, '-s') It produces the error messages: ------------------------------------------------------------ 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/bin/test.py", line 3, in ? import getopt ImportError: No module named getopt Could not find platform independent libraries Could not find platform dependent libraries Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback ------------------------------------------------------------- It's the same failure I get from the qrunner script, which gets normally called at this point from mailmanctl. > If they are not the same then this might hint at the cause of your problem. > Did you add a --with-python option when you ran ./configure? If so with > what value? > No. I don't exspect the problem there. The python interpreter gets called. I set PYTHON = '/usr/bin/python' PREFIX = '/home/mailman' EXEC_PREFIX = '/usr/lib/python2.2' VAR_PREFIX = '/home/mailman' Also I did many tests with EXEC_PREFIX = '/home/mailman' No difference. - oliver From dll at scitools.com Tue May 13 14:16:10 2003 From: dll at scitools.com (Dan Leavitt) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:16:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce-only list config References: <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de><1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de><5.1.1.6.0.20030513111018.03a82008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <1052826383.3ec0db0fce589@www.fh-giessen.de> Message-ID: <012e01c31949$7097a800$170aa8c0@DELL> Hi all, I've created an announce-only list but I haven't figured out how to prevent the recipients, who obviously can't post to the list, from get it's posting address in their mail headers. Depending on the personalization setting it show up either in the To: or the Cc: header. I've inserted a Reply-to address to direct replys to the list but if one selects the "Reply-All" function the posting address gets included also. Is there any way to prevent this? Thanks, Dan From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue May 13 14:31:44 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:31:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mandrake 9.1 / ImportError: No module namedgetopt In-Reply-To: <1052826383.3ec0db0fce589@www.fh-giessen.de> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030513111018.03a82008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <5.1.1.6.0.20030513111018.03a82008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030513130621.03d46928@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 12:46 13/05/2003, Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de wrote: >Richard Barrett wrote: > > > > > >It seems that it is caused by the line 255 from mailmanctl: > > > > > >os.execl(mm_cfg.PYTHON, 'qrunner', exe, rswitch, '-s') > > > > Just a thought, but what is the value of the variable PYTHON in > > $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py and is this the same as the results of > > executing "which python" from the command line? > > > >Default.py keeps: >PYTHON = '/usr/bin/python' >and there are no overrides in mm.cfg. >The command 'ls -l /usr/bin/python' shows me: >-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3712 Feb 5 10:41 /usr/bin/python* > >Also if there where a wrong path it should break with a command >or file not found error, I think. > I was thinking more of two versions of python installed but that doesn't look to be the case from what you say. And given mailmanctl imported getopt OK how come the execl'd python cannot. The only difference between execution of the python instance running mailmanctl and the execl'd python instance is the -S option on the latter while tells python not to automatically run the 'import site' statement when it start execution. For instance on my system running python from the command line with and without the -S option produces a different value for sys.path: mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run/bin> python Python 2.2.2 (#3, Feb 11 2003, 16:57:53) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import sys >>> sys.path ['', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/plat-linux2', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-tk', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages'] >>> mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run/bin> python -S Python 2.2.2 (#3, Feb 11 2003, 16:57:53) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import sys >>> sys.path ['', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/plat-linux2', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-tk', '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload'] >>> import getopt >>> getopt.__file__ '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/getopt.pyc' >>> mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run/bin> Try running python from the command line with the -S option and then try to import getopt. If this fails then one has to question how python has been installed on your system as it would appear that some standard modules are installed in the site specific directory rather than their more usual location. >For example: >I write a little test script called test.py here it is >-------------------------------------> SNIP >#! /usr/bin/python > >import getopt > >print "Hallo\n"; > >print (getopt.error); >print "\n"; >-------------------------------------> > >If I start it from commandline it works faultless but if I call it >from within the mailmanctl script changing the lines 254 and 255 to >the following: > >exe = os.path.join(mm_cfg.BIN_DIR, 'test.py') >os.execl(mm_cfg.PYTHON, 'qrunner', exe, rswitch, '-s') > >It produces the error messages: >------------------------------------------------------------ >'import site' failed; use -v for traceback >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/home/mailman/bin/test.py", line 3, in ? > import getopt >ImportError: No module named getopt >Could not find platform independent libraries >Could not find platform dependent libraries >Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] >'import site' failed; use -v for traceback >------------------------------------------------------------- > >It's the same failure I get from the qrunner script, >which gets normally called at this point from mailmanctl. > > > If they are not the same then this might hint at the cause of your > problem. > > Did you add a --with-python option when you ran ./configure? If so with > > what value? > > > >No. I don't exspect the problem there. >The python interpreter gets called. > >I set > >PYTHON = '/usr/bin/python' >PREFIX = '/home/mailman' >EXEC_PREFIX = '/usr/lib/python2.2' >VAR_PREFIX = '/home/mailman' > >Also I did many tests with > >EXEC_PREFIX = '/home/mailman' > >No difference. > >- oliver > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From barry at python.org Tue May 13 15:06:28 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:06:28 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Re: [Mailman-Users] two errors causing shunting. In-Reply-To: <3EC0A166.9070506@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <3EBEE092.8060901@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <20030512073135.GC27240@dawning.com.cn> <3EC0A166.9070506@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1052831142.15814.14.camel@anthem> On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 03:40, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > Hi, chinese users. > > I was playing on the ChineseCodecs and made a tar ball suitable > for including in the mailman distribution. > http://mm.tkikuchi.net/ChineseCodecs-1.1.0p.tar.gz > Place it in the $(sourcedir)/misc and you will have to rewite > Makefile.in and paths.py.in then configure and make install. > Rewriting is rather easy because there are ja and ko entries. > > Please test if it works for you. Should we include this in the standard distro? Are the Chinese translations even good enough to claim Chinese support? I have the feeling that they've languished for quite a while (unfortunately). -Barry From clay at dawning.com.cn Tue May 13 15:34:05 2003 From: clay at dawning.com.cn (clay at dawning.com.cn) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:34:05 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Re: [Mailman-Users] two errors causing shunting. In-Reply-To: <1052831142.15814.14.camel@anthem> References: <3EBEE092.8060901@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <20030512073135.GC27240@dawning.com.cn> <3EC0A166.9070506@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <1052831142.15814.14.camel@anthem> Message-ID: <20030513133405.GJ11389@dawning.com.cn> On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 09:05:42AM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 03:40, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > > Hi, chinese users. > > > > I was playing on the ChineseCodecs and made a tar ball suitable > > for including in the mailman distribution. > > http://mm.tkikuchi.net/ChineseCodecs-1.1.0p.tar.gz > > Place it in the $(sourcedir)/misc and you will have to rewite > > Makefile.in and paths.py.in then configure and make install. > > Rewriting is rather easy because there are ja and ko entries. > > > > Please test if it works for you. > > Should we include this in the standard distro? Are the Chinese > translations even good enough to claim Chinese support? I have the > feeling that they've languished for quite a while (unfortunately). > > -Barry > I've tried the Chinese translation(GB) coming with MM2.1.2, and it's a bit partial, the web interfaces are a mixture of both Chinese and English. I did see on www.list.org i18n pages that someone is heading up the Simplified Chinese translation. If he's stopped for some reason, I'd be rather happy to pick up his work and go on maintaining both the codecs and translations of Simplified Chinese. -Isaac -- Isaac Claymore /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Dawning Inc. \ / Respect for open standards Beijing, China X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.dawning.com.cn / \ No M$ Word docs in email From barry at python.org Tue May 13 16:25:07 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:25:07 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Re: [Mailman-Users] two errors causing shunting. In-Reply-To: <20030513133405.GJ11389@dawning.com.cn> References: <3EBEE092.8060901@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <20030512073135.GC27240@dawning.com.cn> <3EC0A166.9070506@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <1052831142.15814.14.camel@anthem> <20030513133405.GJ11389@dawning.com.cn> Message-ID: <1052835867.1222.3.camel@barry> On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 09:34, clay at dawning.com.cn wrote: > I've tried the Chinese translation(GB) coming with MM2.1.2, and it's > a bit partial, the web interfaces are a mixture of both Chinese and > English. > > I did see on www.list.org i18n pages that someone is heading up the > Simplified Chinese translation. If he's stopped for some reason, I'd > be rather happy to pick up his work and go on maintaining both the > codecs and translations of Simplified Chinese. That would be great Isaac. I haven't seen any updates to Chinese in a long time, so anything you can provide would be appreciated. I'm Cc'ing Max Yu who is currently mentioned as the Chinese champion to see if he's still interested in helping out. -Barry From nfeasey at utpress.utoronto.ca Tue May 13 16:38:52 2003 From: nfeasey at utpress.utoronto.ca (Nicholas Feasey) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:38:52 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Installed, but won't send mail In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030512152614.03f5e008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <9E001642-8550-11D7-913B-000393D9515C@utpress.utoronto.ca> Silly questions but did you do the following: Did you type: /etc/rc.d/init.d/mailman start (This starts the qrunner processes) Secondly, you can send mail to the outside world as any user on your Redhat 9 box - right? N On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 10:38 AM, Richard Barrett wrote: > At 14:40 12/05/2003, Computing, Creative wrote: >> Hey all, i recently installed mailman on RedHat 9, I installed it >> from the >> files off of list.org rather than the rpm via the advice i've noticed >> on >> here. My problemo now is that i have set mailman up, iam able to >> create a >> list, but it seems it is not actually sending the mail. If anyone >> could >> help me out with some advice, it would be much appriciated. I know >> the >> issue is rather broad but i'm sure you guys & gals could lead me in >> the >> right direction. Thanks ahead of time :) >> >> Mike > > You do not say what version of MM you installed; I do not know what > version is being published on lists.org, I always download the latest > stable release from > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 > > Assume you have read and followed all the instructions in the > $build/INSTALL file. > > Have you installed the mailman user's crontab > ($prefix/cron/crontab.in) so that the qrunner is being executed > regularly (MM 2.0.x versions) or started $prefix/bin/mailmanctl (MM > 2.1.x versions)? > > What does the log for the MTA on your server (for instance > /var/logs/mail) say is happening to incoming mail addressing to your > list aliases. > > Do any of the Mailman log files in $prefix/mailman/logs give any > indication of what is happening? > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > Richard Barrett > http://www.openinfo.co.uk > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: nfeasey at utpress.utoronto.ca > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > nfeasey%40utpress.utoronto.ca From pug at pug.net Tue May 13 17:09:29 2003 From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:09:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Formatting archives that don't have newlines... Message-ID: <20030513100929.A7631@stardock.pug.net> Good Morning, I tried looking through the patches, bugs and FAQs for this, but either couldn't find it or didn't know the magic phrase to use. I have a problem (mostly with M$ Outlook users) that when a user sends a message without newlines in it (because their email client auto-displays it "properly" for them), the message gets stored just like this in the archives as expected. The problem is that when the message gets pulled up in the webpages, they will appear as one long line instead of being formatted to the size of the browser width. Is there any solution for this at this time? Thanks! Ciao, -- Pug Bainter | AMD, Inc. System Engineer, MTS | Mail Stop 625 Pug.Bainter at amd.com | pug at pug.net | 5900 E. Ben White Blvd Phone: (512) 602-0364 | Fax: (512) 602-6970 | Austin, TX 78741 Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter. From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue May 13 17:55:32 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:55:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Installed, but won't send mail In-Reply-To: <9E001642-8550-11D7-913B-000393D9515C@utpress.utoronto.ca> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030512152614.03f5e008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030513161726.04e06ea0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Should have posted the resolution to the list. The mailman site list had not been created and mailmanctl was not starting. Original poster found the evidence when he looked more carefully. At 15:38 13/05/2003, Nicholas Feasey wrote: >Silly questions but did you do the following: > >Did you type: /etc/rc.d/init.d/mailman start >(This starts the qrunner processes) > >Secondly, you can send mail to the outside world as any user on your >Redhat 9 box - right? > >N > >On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 10:38 AM, Richard Barrett wrote: > >>At 14:40 12/05/2003, Computing, Creative wrote: >>>Hey all, i recently installed mailman on RedHat 9, I installed it >>>from the >>>files off of list.org rather than the rpm via the advice i've noticed >>>on >>>here. My problemo now is that i have set mailman up, iam able to >>>create a >>>list, but it seems it is not actually sending the mail. If anyone >>>could >>>help me out with some advice, it would be much appriciated. I know >>>the >>>issue is rather broad but i'm sure you guys & gals could lead me in >>>the >>>right direction. Thanks ahead of time :) >>> >>>Mike >> >>You do not say what version of MM you installed; I do not know what >>version is being published on lists.org, I always download the latest >>stable release from >>http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 >> >>Assume you have read and followed all the instructions in the >>$build/INSTALL file. >> >>Have you installed the mailman user's crontab >>($prefix/cron/crontab.in) so that the qrunner is being executed >>regularly (MM 2.0.x versions) or started $prefix/bin/mailmanctl (MM >>2.1.x versions)? >> >>What does the log for the MTA on your server (for instance >>/var/logs/mail) say is happening to incoming mail addressing to your >>list aliases. >> >>Do any of the Mailman log files in $prefix/mailman/logs give any >>indication of what is happening? >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Tue May 13 17:59:52 2003 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:59:52 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mandrake 9.1 / ImportError: No modulenamedgetopt In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030513130621.03d46928@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030513111018.03a82008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <5.1.1.6.0.20030513111018.03a82008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030513130621.03d46928@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <1052841549.26472.47.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Hello Richard, hello all, You wrote: > The only difference between execution of the python instance running > mailmanctl and the execl'd python instance is the -S option on the latter I would like to agree but here is what I (among other things) did. I changed the implied line 255 in the mailmanctl script. See the the corresponding diff which follows. ------------------------------------------------------------------> # diff mailmanctl mailmanctl.original 255c255 < os.execl(exe, exe, rswitch, '-s') --- > os.execl(mm_cfg.PYTHON, 'qrunner', exe, rswitch, '-s') ------------------------------------------------------------------> After doing that mailman (respective the qrunners) starts working! But an (maybe) odd thing is, that when I start mailmanctl in verbose mode I'am receiving messages like this one: ------------------------------------------------------------------> Logging error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/MultiLogger.py", line 43, in write logger.write(msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 73, in write Logger.write(self, "%s %s" % (prefix, msg)) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 88, in write msg = unicode(msg, self.__encoding) SystemError: codec module not properly initialized Original log message: # clear __builtin__._ ------------------------------------------------------------------> But independent from that thing it seems to work normal. I can't test the whole program but the normal list processing don't cause any problems, as yet. Three questions: 1. How can it be that my flubs works and the original line not (under ML 9.1)? 2. Are the "Logging error" messages from the verbose mode dangerous? 3. It is risky to bring mailman in this state into production? - oliver -- Oliver Egginger Giessen-Friedberg University of Applied Sciences Wiesenstrasse 14 35390 Giessen Tel. +49 641 309-1283 Fax +49 641 309-1288 From abid at nacla.org Tue May 13 18:19:03 2003 From: abid at nacla.org (abid) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:19:03 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error with "http://my.dom.ain/mailman/create" Message-ID: I installed mailman 2.1 successfully I have apache running successfully I have php installed I have python installed After installation I go to /bin directory and run mmsitepass and create a password. However when I go to the myip/mailman/create I get an error message. Do I need to modify httpd.conf in apache at all? I think its something simple that im missing any thoughts? From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue May 13 18:35:09 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:35:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mandrake 9.1 / ImportError: No modulenamedgetopt In-Reply-To: <1052841549.26472.47.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030513130621.03d46928@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030513111018.03a82008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <5.1.1.6.0.20030513111018.03a82008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030513130621.03d46928@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030513170028.04e04e78@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 16:59 13/05/2003, Oliver Egginger wrote: >Hello Richard, hello all, > >You wrote: > > The only difference between execution of the python instance running > > mailmanctl and the execl'd python instance is the -S option on the latter Yes. That comment was crap. >I would like to agree but here is what I (among other things) did. > >I changed the implied line 255 in the mailmanctl script. >See the the corresponding diff which follows. > >------------------------------------------------------------------> ># diff mailmanctl mailmanctl.original >255c255 >< os.execl(exe, exe, rswitch, '-s') >--- > > os.execl(mm_cfg.PYTHON, 'qrunner', exe, rswitch, '-s') >------------------------------------------------------------------> Re-reading the definition of execl in the man pages and Python docs: path to file to run is the path to python executable arg0 is the name of the process as will be displayed by ps, that is 'qrunner' arg1 is the first first argument for python i.e the name of the python script it is to run arg2 is the first argument to be passed to that python script (the --runner option) arg3 is the second argument to be passed to that python script (the qrunner script's -s option) Your fix may appear to work but something must be wrong for the original code to fail and this needs to be discovered and fixed. There has to be an expert out there who knows the solution even if we do not (yet). What version of Python are you running and what OS (I forgot) >After doing that mailman (respective the qrunners) starts working! > >But an (maybe) odd thing is, that when I start mailmanctl in >verbose mode I'am receiving messages like this one: > >------------------------------------------------------------------> >Logging error: >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/MultiLogger.py", line 43, in write > logger.write(msg) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 73, in >write > Logger.write(self, "%s %s" % (prefix, msg)) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 88, in write > msg = unicode(msg, self.__encoding) >SystemError: codec module not properly initialized >Original log message: ># clear __builtin__._ >------------------------------------------------------------------> > > >But independent from that thing it seems to work normal. >I can't test the whole program but the normal list processing don't >cause any problems, as yet. > >Three questions: > >1. How can it be that my flubs works and the original line not >(under ML 9.1)? I would suggest the original line works for most MM systems which is saying something is wrong with your installation. >2. Are the "Logging error" messages from the verbose mode dangerous? Saying something is wrong. >3. It is risky to bring mailman in this state into production? Yes it is too risky in my view. Remind us again what OS and what version of Python are you running. >- oliver > > >-- >Oliver Egginger >Giessen-Friedberg University of Applied Sciences >Wiesenstrasse 14 >35390 Giessen >Tel. +49 641 309-1283 >Fax +49 641 309-1288 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Tue May 13 18:47:14 2003 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:47:14 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mandrake 9.1 / ImportError - addendum In-Reply-To: <1052841549.26472.47.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030513111018.03a82008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <5.1.1.6.0.20030513111018.03a82008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030513130621.03d46928@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <1052841549.26472.47.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Message-ID: <1052843928.26982.22.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> I wrote: > Hello Richard, hello all, > > You wrote: > > The only difference between execution of the python instance running > > mailmanctl and the execl'd python instance is the -S option on the latter > > > I would like to agree but here is what I (among other things) did. > The significant difference between < os.execl(exe, exe, rswitch, '-s') and > os.execl(mm_cfg.PYTHON, 'qrunner', exe, rswitch, '-s') is, that in the former case the python interpreter don't get called explicitly. In the original line the interpreter gets called explicit from os.execl. Seemingly the resulting processes lives in different enviroments. Depending on the wise how the programm gets invoked. (At least on my system.) Do you think so? - oliver From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue May 13 18:51:41 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:51:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error with "http://my.dom.ain/mailman/create" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030513174349.04dc07e0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 17:19 13/05/2003, abid wrote: >I installed mailman 2.1 successfully Hopefully you mean MM 2.1.2, the latest stable MM release. Did you install from source or an RPM? What OS are running. >I have apache running successfully >I have php installed >I have python installed What version of Python? >After installation I go to /bin directory and run mmsitepass and create a >password. > >However when I go to the myip/mailman/create I get an error message. What error message? Have you created the site mailing list? Have you started $prefix/bin/mailmanctl >Do I need to modify httpd.conf in apache at all? Yes. ScriptAlias and Alias and related directives need to have been added to httpd.conf. This is described in the $build/INSTALL document in your Mailman build directory. You should review all the instructions in that INSTALL file to check that all the installation steps have been completed. >I think its something simple that im missing any thoughts? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue May 13 19:19:03 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:19:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mandrake 9.1 / ImportError - addendum In-Reply-To: <1052843928.26982.22.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> References: <1052841549.26472.47.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <5.1.1.6.0.20030513111018.03a82008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <5.1.1.6.0.20030513111018.03a82008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030513130621.03d46928@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <1052841549.26472.47.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030513180926.0770b0d8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 17:38 13/05/2003, Oliver Egginger wrote: >I wrote: > > > Hello Richard, hello all, > > > > You wrote: > > > The only difference between execution of the python instance running > > > mailmanctl and the execl'd python instance is the -S option on the > latter > > This comment of mine was nonsense. > > > > I would like to agree but here is what I (among other things) did. > > > > > >The significant difference between > >< os.execl(exe, exe, rswitch, '-s') > and > > os.execl(mm_cfg.PYTHON, 'qrunner', exe, rswitch, '-s') > >is, that in the former case the python interpreter don't get called >explicitly. >In the original line the interpreter gets called explicit from os.execl. > >Seemingly the resulting processes lives in different enviroments. >Depending on the wise how the programm gets invoked. >(At least on my system.) Yes. That is why my first thought was there were 2 different Python installations on the machine with the first being picked up through your $PATH and the other through mm_cfg.PYTHON. But you say this is not the case. My second thought was hasty and wrong. With execl the executed program should find itself with the same environment as the program that launched it and running with the same process ID which is why this is so odd. Now if it were execle then a change in environment would be explicable but that isn't it. Back to which OS and which Python version. >Do you think so? > > >- oliver ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Tue May 13 20:18:20 2003 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:18:20 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mandrake 9.1 / ImportError - addendum In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030513180926.0770b0d8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> References: <1052841549.26472.47.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <5.1.1.6.0.20030513111018.03a82008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <1052746621.2293.97.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <5.1.1.6.0.20030513111018.03a82008@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030513130621.03d46928@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> <1052841549.26472.47.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <5.1.1.6.0.20030513180926.0770b0d8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <1052849562.28226.28.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> > >The significant difference between > > > >< os.execl(exe, exe, rswitch, '-s') > > and > > > os.execl(mm_cfg.PYTHON, 'qrunner', exe, rswitch, '-s') > > > >is, that in the former case the python interpreter don't get called > >explicitly. > >In the original line the interpreter gets called explicit from os.execl. > > > >Seemingly the resulting processes lives in different enviroments. > >Depending on the wise how the programm gets invoked. > >(At least on my system.) > > Yes. That is why my first thought was there were 2 different Python > installations on the machine with the first being picked up through your > $PATH and the other through mm_cfg.PYTHON. But you say this is not the case. > Sorry no. I don't know. How can I finger out whether or not I have two different installations? Maybe there is something odd with this python installation. I allways use /usr/bin/python. There is a second binary called /usr/bin/python2.2. But a diff shows me that there are no differences between this two files. I installed everything on my system religious from Mandrake RPMs. Only Mailman itself and the MTA (Exim) where build manually. > > With execl the executed program should find itself with the same > environment as the program that launched it and running with the same > process ID which is why this is so odd. Now if it were execle then a change > in environment would be explicable but that isn't it. > Yes. I will try to analyse this on my system a little bit better. I will do some mailman independent tests. > Back to which OS and which Python version. > The python version is 2.2.2. Here is what python -v shows: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------> # python -v # /usr/lib/python2.2/site.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/site.py import site # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/site.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.2/os.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/os.py import os # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/os.pyc import posix # builtin # /usr/lib/python2.2/posixpath.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py import posixpath # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/posixpath.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.2/stat.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/stat.py import stat # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/stat.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.2/UserDict.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/UserDict.py import UserDict # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/UserDict.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.2/copy_reg.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/copy_reg.py import copy_reg # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/copy_reg.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.2/types.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/types.py import types # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/types.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.2/__future__.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/__future__.py import __future__ # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/__future__.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.2/string.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/string.py import string # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/string.pyc dlopen("/usr/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/strop.so", 2); import strop # dynamically loaded from /usr/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/strop.so Python 2.2.2 (#2, Feb 5 2003, 10:40:08) [GCC 3.2.1 (Mandrake Linux 9.1 3.2.1-5mdk)] on linux-i386 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. dlopen("/usr/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/readline.so", 2); import readline # dynamically loaded from /usr/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/readline.so ----------------------------------------------------------------------------> The OS is Mandrake Linux 9.1 with the newest updates. I used the Mandrake update process (urpmi). So I shouldn't be the only one who has this problem. Meanwhile I think it is likely more a Mandrake/Python issue than a mailman topic. All the same, I'am glad about every helpful suggestion. Many thanks! - oliver From abid at nacla.org Tue May 13 20:43:17 2003 From: abid at nacla.org (abid) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:43:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] When I try to create a new list I get this message Message-ID: Note that listnames are forced to lowercase. Illegal list name: test@ Even though I never added an @ symbol. ? From chasm at texas.net Tue May 13 20:59:11 2003 From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:59:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing posting of rtf or attachments to a mailman elist Message-ID: When you are setting up your mailman lists, how do you go about sealing off html messages? stopping attachments? am I missing something? The FAQ talks about adding a script or something like that. But surely it is in the kernel??? thanks chas -- powered by Linux, Suse 8.2 Pro + Agent under Wine emulator Charles L Hamilton, Houston, TX chasm @ texas. net www.schuetzen.net From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue May 13 21:04:57 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 20:04:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error with "http://my.dom.ain/mailman/create" In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030513174349.04dc07e0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030513195450.03ca4130@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 18:47 13/05/2003, abid wrote: >On 5/13/03 12:51 PM, "Richard Barrett" wrote: > > > At 17:19 13/05/2003, abid wrote: > >> I installed mailman 2.1 successfully > > > > Hopefully you mean MM 2.1.2, the latest stable MM release. Did you install > > from source or an RPM? What OS are running. > >2.1.2 from source and red hat 7.1 In that case you are sure to have access to the INSTALL file in the Mailman build directory. > > > >> I have apache running successfully > >> I have php installed > >> I have python installed > > > > What version of Python? > >Python 2.2.2 > > > > > >> After installation I go to /bin directory and run mmsitepass and create a > >> password. > >> > >> However when I go to the myip/mailman/create I get an error message. > > > > What error message? > >I get a 404 message > > > > Have you created the site mailing list? Have you started > > $prefix/bin/mailmanctl > > > > > >I have not created a site mailing list Have you created it now? >I just started it and it says "Starting Mailman's master qrunner." If you haven't created the site mailing list then you will immediately get an error message out of mailmanctl about the missing site list. >(I didn?t know I was supposed to start that..?) You really must read the INSTALL file. The section under the heading "4. Final system set-up" (starting at line 245 in the MM 2.1.2 release) is a must read. It tells you to create the site list before running mailmanctl. > >> Do I need to modify httpd.conf in apache at all? > > > > Yes. ScriptAlias and Alias and related directives need to have been added > > to httpd.conf. This is described in the $build/INSTALL document in your > > Mailman build directory. You should review all the instructions in that > > INSTALL file to check that all the installation steps have been completed. > > > > >Err? This is explained under the heading "4. Final system set-up". Make sure to read all of this section. > >> I think its something simple that im missing any thoughts? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From erecio at polywog.navpoint.com Tue May 13 23:54:36 2003 From: erecio at polywog.navpoint.com (erecio at polywog.navpoint.com) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!!! Removing WebArchive Messages? Message-ID: HELP! I don't want to screw up the produciton server, which is the reason why I am sending this email attempting to confirm that the following won't mess up production!!!! This means that I will not be able to move forward with mailman in production for our major (30,000 user) school lists unless I get an answer soon!!!! Do you know how to remove web archive messages? Is there a way to do it from teh web interface, or using commandline tools? I would rather have our clients be able to do that themselves, but if necessary I'll do it for them on request (i don't want to give them shell access on our primary web server.) I'd be tempted to just remove the HTML file, but it may come back, and wanted to make sure that it won't break anything else. TIA ~E From ricky at elhost.com Wed May 14 00:56:05 2003 From: ricky at elhost.com (Rick Erlandson) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:56:05 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman messages using postfix default hostname instead of virtuals hostname Message-ID: <000501c319a2$d6279320$4101a8c0@Loki> I have setup Mailman on Mandrake 8.2, on a system that has been running postfix 1.1.11 with virtuals (in mysql). I have couple of issues that may be related.. not sure. First, when I run newlist it creates the aliases file ok, but it never creates the virtual-mailman file. Everything I've read indicates it should. So, I touched the file, ran check_perms -f which adjusted its file permissions. Then I ran newlist again to create another new list. still it adds nothing to that file. When I run genaliases it does its thing and creates virtual-mailman.db, but it empties the original files contents (I put somelines in myself). Maybe it is supposed to do that, but it doens't work and postfix complains about a non-existant user. To see if it would remove the non-existant user error I added the lines to virtual-mailman that I thought should be there (from some examples I came across) and ran postmap myself. It created the .db version of the file and postfix stopped complaining about the non-existant user. This would be great and happy except now when the list service replies back, it is always using system hostname instead of the virtual hostname (wpc.ca) that I want the list service to be on. In both the email address and the website for confirmation. MTA = 'Postfix' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['wpc.ca'] DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.wpc.ca' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'wpc.ca' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) burrtheatre at wpc.ca burrtheatre burrtheatre-join at wpc.ca burrtheatre-join Any ideas would be appreciated. I am especially puzzled as to why mailman never creates the virtual-mailman file... I can't see any error message about it either... Rick Erlandson From dave at casapetro.net Wed May 14 04:10:41 2003 From: dave at casapetro.net (Dave Petro) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 02:10:41 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Discarded messages reappear daily - How to troubleshoot/stop? Message-ID: <1052878206.4365.11.camel@linbox.casapetro.net> Since upgrading to Mailman 2.0.13, or perhaps coincidentally, I now have to discard messages held for approval daily for about five days before they will cease to bother me. Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this issue? For example: Yesterday, I chose to discard spam from joe_spammer at somewhere.com. Tonight, the same message(same date, same sender, same content) is being held for approval again. It will be back for a number of days before it is finally discarded. I'm running RH7.3. Dave Petro dave at casapetro.net From erecio at polywog.navpoint.com Wed May 14 04:20:09 2003 From: erecio at polywog.navpoint.com (E M Recio) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:20:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone There? Message-ID: <95FF7288-85B2-11D7-A636-000393D87C76@polywog.navpoint.com> Hi, One more time, what do I have to do to delete messages from archives. I tried to delete the HTML, but that's no good. ~E "There may still be two superpowers on the planet: the United States and world public opinion." -- Patrick E. Tyler From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed May 14 04:32:27 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:32:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone There? In-Reply-To: <95FF7288-85B2-11D7-A636-000393D87C76@polywog.navpoint.com> References: <95FF7288-85B2-11D7-A636-000393D87C76@polywog.navpoint.com> Message-ID: <20030514023227.GT32053@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 E M Recio wrote: > Hi, One more time, what do I have to do to delete messages from > archives. I tried to delete the HTML, but that's no good. Does the FAQ "How can I remove a post from the list archive?" help you? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ For a list of all the ways technology has failed to improve the quality of life, please press three. -- Alice Kahn, writer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+waq7uv+09NZUB1oRAiRBAKCTR0xxP4vmArMkfD/1L2GsAVXErgCg7ck3 7gybcoF2WorfxrFQkqpio1E= =rgxg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dan.mick at sun.com Wed May 14 04:32:19 2003 From: dan.mick at sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:32:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone There? In-Reply-To: <95FF7288-85B2-11D7-A636-000393D87C76@polywog.navpoint.com> References: <95FF7288-85B2-11D7-A636-000393D87C76@polywog.navpoint.com> Message-ID: <3EC1AAB3.3030309@sun.com> The FAQ exists for a reason. Use it. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp E M Recio wrote: > Hi, One more time, what do I have to do to delete messages from > archives. I tried to delete the HTML, but that's no good. > > ~E > > "There may still be two superpowers on the planet: the United States and > world public opinion." -- Patrick E. Tyler > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: dan.mick at sun.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/dan.mick%40sun.com From chriskl at familyhealth.com.au Wed May 14 05:32:47 2003 From: chriskl at familyhealth.com.au (Christopher Kings-Lynne) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:32:47 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] default_reply_goes_to_list Message-ID: <02e101c319c9$7d25dc60$6500a8c0@fhp.internal> Regarding this setting: # Mailman can be configured to "munge" Reply-To: headers for any passing # messages. One the one hand, there are a lot of good reasons not to munge # Reply-To: but on the other, people really seem to want this feature. See # the help for reply_goes_to_list in the web UI for links discussing the # issue. # 0 - Reply-To: not munged # 1 - Reply-To: set back to the list # 2 - Reply-To: set to an explicit value (reply_to_address) DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST = 0 If I set that to '2' - how do I set the explicit value? I've tried: reply_to_address = 'noreply at noreply.domain.com' And it seems to be ignored... That reply_to_address isn't documented anywhere... Cheers, Chris From chriskl at familyhealth.com.au Wed May 14 05:34:25 2003 From: chriskl at familyhealth.com.au (Christopher Kings-Lynne) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:34:25 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] default_url Message-ID: <02e701c319c9$b77bca50$6500a8c0@fhp.internal> Hi, I'm running a setup where users have no control over whether they're on the list or not. I do not want them, ever, to be emailed any sort of 'you have been moderated' email, etc. - but I see no way of turning them all off. If that's not possible, then I would like to disable the sending of the DEFAULT_URL in the moderation emails. How do you do that? It doesn't seem possible. The problem is that we really would like to keep our web admin secret from the users, even though it would require a password... Chris From hraftery at myrealbox.com Wed May 14 13:54:48 2003 From: hraftery at myrealbox.com (Heath Raftery) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:54:48 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!!! Removing WebArchive Messages? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm not an authority on this at all, but I just had to do what I think you are describing, and it went off without a hitch. Firstly, don't delete the HTML, it is generated automatically from the archives. Instead, edit the archives mbox files (~/archives/private/your-list.mbox/your-list.mbox) and delete the emails you don't want. When deleting emails, make sure you remove right from the From line to the blank line before the next From line. Then just run ~/bin/arch --wipe your-list. Allowing clients to do that? I'm not sure. Heath On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 07:54 AM, erecio at polywog.navpoint.com wrote: > HELP! I don't want to screw up the produciton server, which is the > reason > why I am sending this email attempting to confirm that the following > won't > mess up production!!!! This means that I will not be able to move > forward > with mailman in production for our major (30,000 user) school lists > unless > I get an answer soon!!!! > > Do you know how to remove web archive messages? Is there a way to do > it from teh web interface, or using commandline tools? I would rather > have > our clients be able to do that themselves, but if necessary I'll do it > for > them on request (i don't want to give them shell access on our primary > web > server.) > > I'd be tempted to just remove the HTML file, but it may come back, and > wanted to make sure that it won't break anything else. > > TIA > ~E From robin.ericsson at profecta.se Wed May 14 14:04:53 2003 From: robin.ericsson at profecta.se (Robin Ericsson) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:04:53 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman encodes my msg_header and footer. Message-ID: <1052914261.3168.14.camel@pylver.localhost.nu> mailman html-encodes my high-ascii (swedish) text in msg_header and msg_footer. I enter "Testar ? ? ?", but in the emails they look like "Testar å ä ö" Using 2.1.1. -- Robin Ericsson Profecta HB http://www.profecta.se/ http://www.prisbevakaren.net/ From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com Wed May 14 16:55:33 2003 From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:55:33 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!!! Removing WebArchive Messages? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EC20485.19299.14B684@localhost> On 14 May 2003 at 21:54, Heath Raftery wrote: > Then just run ~/bin/arch --wipe your-list. Allowing clients to do > that? I'm not sure. It depends on your environment.... if you're in a hobby environment with friends you trust, sure... let 'em delete messages and have fun. In a business environment, you could be in a world of hurt. When a luser craters a critical system, it's the system admin's tail on the line. When a luser wipes a message in a mailing list that needs to be preserved for accountability (S.E.C. etc) reasons, it could cost the company millions. I think in most business environments, the answer is "no, we don't want employees re- writing the corporate history". Mike From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Wed May 14 16:55:43 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] When I try to create a new list I get this message In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 13 May 2003, abid wrote: > > Note that listnames are forced to lowercase. > > Illegal list name: test@ > > Even though I never added an @ symbol. > > Is a script doing the newlist? Check it with od if so. Sometmes nulls or other oddball characters make it in there and echo as @. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |God stand between you and harm in all the empty Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA |places where you must walk. old Egyptian blessing -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From erecio at polywog.navpoint.com Wed May 14 17:59:33 2003 From: erecio at polywog.navpoint.com (E M Recio) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!!! Removing WebArchive Messages? In-Reply-To: <3EC20485.19299.14B684@localhost> References: <3EC20485.19299.14B684@localhost> Message-ID: <27937.147.140.233.16.1052927973.squirrel@polywog.navpoint.com> Mike Avery said: > In a business environment, you could be in a world of hurt. When a > luser craters a critical system, it's the system admin's tail on the > line. > > When a luser wipes a message in a mailing list that needs to be > preserved for accountability (S.E.C. etc) reasons, it could cost the > company millions. > > I think in most business environments, the answer is "no, we don't want > employees re- writing the corporate history". I wonder what the costs are to an organization (non-profit) are when a vulgar email gets cataloged by a search engine, or a propspective donor comes across it. That's what we're really worried about. Or for harasment/legal counsel issues, we would need to take things off of there too. But I agree, that deleting the files permanently would be a bad idea for the latter. Hence the reasons we have the 'tar' command! :) -- "There may still be two superpowers on the planet: the United States and world public opinion." - Patrick E. Tyler From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com Wed May 14 18:39:22 2003 From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:39:22 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!!! Removing WebArchive Messages? In-Reply-To: <27937.147.140.233.16.1052927973.squirrel@polywog.navpoint.com> References: <3EC20485.19299.14B684@localhost> Message-ID: <3EC21CDA.17058.73C615@localhost> On 14 May 2003 at 11:59, E M Recio wrote: > Mike Avery said: > > In a business environment, you could be in a world of hurt. When a > > luser craters a critical system, it's the system admin's tail on > > the line. > > When a luser wipes a message in a mailing list that needs to be > > preserved for accountability (S.E.C. etc) reasons, it could cost > > the company millions. > > I think in most business environments, the answer is "no, we don't > > want employees re- writing the corporate history". > I wonder what the costs are to an organization (non-profit) are when a > vulgar email gets cataloged by a search engine, or a propspective > donor comes across it. That's what we're really worried about. Or for > harasment/legal counsel issues, we would need to take things off of > there too. But I agree, that deleting the files permanently would be a > bad idea for the latter. Hence the reasons we have the 'tar' command! > :) I suspect that the bottom line is... the users shouldn't be allowed to do it, that legal counsel should be consulted to establish guidelines (that should be perdiodically reviewed) as to what may be removed, and how to cover yourself when removals occur. Of course, if you're worried about search engines cataloging your mailing lists, you'll have to move fast to insure the offensive message doesn't get cataloged and cached by google or someone like that.... perhaps putting a robots file in place to block scanning and cataloging the mailing list would be a good idea. As well as email usage guidelines for the staff and volunteers at the non-profit org. Mike -- Mike Avery MAvery at mail.otherwhen.com ICQ: 16241692 AOL IM:MAvery81230 Phone: 970-642-0280 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * Once seen on road signs all over the United States: Tho tough And rough >From wind and wave Your cheek grows sleek With Burma-Shave From erecio at behavioralinformatics.com Tue May 13 16:57:28 2003 From: erecio at behavioralinformatics.com (E.M. Recio) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting web archive messages Message-ID: If anyone can help, I would REALLY appreciate it! I need confirmation of this question so I dont completely fubar my production server. Do you know how to remove web archive messages? Is there a way to do it from teh web interface, or using commandline tools? I would rather have our clients be able to do that themselves, but if necessary I'll do it for them on request (i don't want to give them shell access on our primary web server.) I'd be tempted to just remove the HTML file (if there is one), but wanted to make sure that it won't break anything else. ~Elmo From max.yu at turbolinux.com.cn Wed May 14 03:41:45 2003 From: max.yu at turbolinux.com.cn (Max Yu) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:41:45 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Re: [Mailman-Users] two errors causing shunting. In-Reply-To: <1052835867.1222.3.camel@barry> References: <3EBEE092.8060901@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <20030512073135.GC27240@dawning.com.cn> <3EC0A166.9070506@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <1052831142.15814.14.camel@anthem> <20030513133405.GJ11389@dawning.com.cn> <1052835867.1222.3.camel@barry> Message-ID: <3EC19ED9.3050208@turbolinux.com.cn> Isaac, it will be great if you can take over both the Chinese simplified(GB) and Chinese traditional(Big5) translation work. Thanks! Best Regards Max Barry Warsaw wrote: >On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 09:34, clay at dawning.com.cn wrote: > > > >>I've tried the Chinese translation(GB) coming with MM2.1.2, and it's >>a bit partial, the web interfaces are a mixture of both Chinese and >>English. >> >>I did see on www.list.org i18n pages that someone is heading up the >>Simplified Chinese translation. If he's stopped for some reason, I'd >>be rather happy to pick up his work and go on maintaining both the >>codecs and translations of Simplified Chinese. >> >> > >That would be great Isaac. I haven't seen any updates to Chinese in a >long time, so anything you can provide would be appreciated. I'm Cc'ing >Max Yu who is currently mentioned as the Chinese champion to see if he's >still interested in helping out. > >-Barry > > > From bergman at cyberg.com Wed May 14 17:33:57 2003 From: bergman at cyberg.com (David Bergman) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:33:57 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachments Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030514112916.00b8de48@mail.cyberg.com> I'm trying to find out info regarding attachments sent by list subscribers. Does a mailman list accept attachments? Is there administrator control? One of my list subscribers is attempting to send a relatively small attachment and it keeps getting bounced to me (administrator) as overlength and shows up as gibberish in the administrator preview window. If I authorize it to go through, will it still be gibberish or will the attachments go through intact? Thank you, David Bergman David Bergman Architect/Fire & Water Lighting + Furniture bergman at cyberg.com http://www.cyberg.com t 212 475 3106 f 212 677 7291 From rebabonney at ywammt.org Wed May 14 18:13:21 2003 From: rebabonney at ywammt.org (rebabonney at ywammt.org) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:13:21 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Started Message-ID: <13187.10.1.2.1.1052928801.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> I'm try to start to user Mailman, but I can't find anything that will tell me how to set it up. I'm using postfix in webmin for me email accounts. Could you please tell me how to set up Mailman Thanks- Reba Bonney System Administrator From creative.computing at PTSEM.EDU Wed May 14 19:06:12 2003 From: creative.computing at PTSEM.EDU (Computing, Creative) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:06:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMTP problems continued Message-ID: <0509DF30C7A3EE4C9502E3C6C19C29210273C8CA@coaster.ptsem.edu> Hey all. Just recently i had a problem with mailman not sending any mail and thanks to you guys, that problem was solved. Unfortunatly that server kind of crapped out so i decded to reinstall mailman 2.1.2 on redhat 8... I followed every direction, and made sure not to neglect any as i did last time. Unfortunatly once again i'm having problem with it sending. I think the problem is not related because i am getting stuff in the smtp-error log. This is what it continually repeats: May 14 12:58:42 2003 (797) delivery to creative.computing at ptsem.edu failed with code -1: ignore Would anyone mind lending me some advice again, i am very greatful still from the first time and would appriciate just as much now. Mike From ricky at elhost.com Wed May 14 19:37:38 2003 From: ricky at elhost.com (Rick Erlandson) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:37:38 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Started In-Reply-To: <13187.10.1.2.1.1052928801.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> Message-ID: <001201c31a3f$841e5cb0$4101a8c0@Loki> Download the tarball, put it somewhere (/usr/local/src) and untar it (tar zxvf ), go into that folder and read INSTALL. also read README.POSTFIX. hth. Rick Erlandson -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+ricky=elhost.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+ricky=elhost.com at python.org]On Behalf Of rebabonney at ywammt.org Sent: May 14, 2003 9:13 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Started I'm try to start to user Mailman, but I can't find anything that will tell me how to set it up. I'm using postfix in webmin for me email accounts. Could you please tell me how to set up Mailman Thanks- Reba Bonney System Administrator ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: ricky at elhost.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ricky%40elhost.com From GRubin at ccianet.org Wed May 14 21:18:10 2003 From: GRubin at ccianet.org (Gabe N. Rubin) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:18:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Difficulties getting mailman running Message-ID: I am having some issues with mailman. Using a debian system, I have done apt-get install mailman. I also made sure python is up to date, and the system uses exim. After doing newlist mailman and then /etc/init.d/mailman start i get the following output in /var/log/mailman/error. I have no idea why this is happening, and some help would be greatly appreciated: May 14 14:28:30 2003 (16490) Uncaught runner exception: Server not connected May 14 14:28:30 2003 (16490) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 61, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 150, in process conn.quit() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 80, in quit self.__conn.quit() File "/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 702, in quit self.docmd("quit") File "/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 357, in docmd self.putcmd(cmd,args) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 313, in putcmd self.send(str) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 303, in send raise SMTPServerDisconnected('Server not connected') SMTPServerDisconnected: Server not connected May 14 14:28:30 2003 (16490) SHUNTING: 1052936888.964066+ad176467e74c2eaf41ec1b10c5657dec7d4f82df From kalin at el.net Wed May 14 22:00:20 2003 From: kalin at el.net (Kalin Mintchev) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT HELP Message-ID: hi, i have aproblem... the disc on the machine run out of space some time yesterday and i've been getting a huge amount of emails like this... they are a lot and it says the errors are on different lines in different files... i wasn't in my offuce yesterday so i couldn't see this right away... after restarting the server and trying to go to the admin on some of the list i can't log in.... what next? Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ? from Mailman import MailList File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 41, in ? from Mailman.ListAdmin import ListAdmin File "/var/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 37, in ? from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 25, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog ImportError: cannot import name syslog From kalin at el.net Wed May 14 22:20:18 2003 From: kalin at el.net (Kalin Mintchev) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT HELP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: this is very urgent...... On Wed, 14 May 2003, Kalin Mintchev wrote: > > > hi, > i have aproblem... > > the disc on the machine run out of space some time yesterday and i've been > getting a huge amount of emails like this... > they are a lot and it says the errors are on different lines in different > files... i wasn't in my offuce yesterday so i couldn't see this right > away... > > after restarting the server and trying to go to the admin on some of the > list i can't log in.... what next? > > > > Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S > /var/mailman/cron/qrunner > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ? > from Mailman import MailList > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 41, in ? > from Mailman.ListAdmin import ListAdmin > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 37, in ? > from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 25, in ? > from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog > ImportError: cannot import name syslog > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: kalin at el.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/kalin%40el.net > From jimpop at yahoo.com Thu May 15 00:15:02 2003 From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:15:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT HELP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Kalin Mintchev > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:00 PM > > i have aproblem... > > the disc on the machine run out of space some time yesterday Hopefully you have solved the root cause by now... right? -Jim P. From kalin at el.net Wed May 14 23:38:34 2003 From: kalin at el.net (Kalin Mintchev) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT HELP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 14 May 2003, Jim Popovitch wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kalin Mintchev > > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:00 PM > > > > i have aproblem... > > > > the disc on the machine run out of space some time yesterday > > Hopefully you have solved the root cause by now... right? yes.... actaully from all the lists on that server now only one doesn't let me in.. i changed the config.db.last to config and chenged permissions but it still doesn't let me in... even with the mmsitepass. how do i change the password of that list frpm "outside".... so i can get in.... or if there are files corrupted while there wasn't any space on the disk which one would that be....? thanks... > > -Jim P. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: kalin at el.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/kalin%40el.net > From kalin at el.net Wed May 14 23:40:35 2003 From: kalin at el.net (Kalin Mintchev) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT HELP In-Reply-To: <3EC2BB48.2070802@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 May 2003, Kevin Carlson wrote: > You could try stopping the cron job that is generating the emails.? Then you might be able to increase the > size of the partition you are running on to gain more disk space.? Regarding the inability to log in, I > have no idea what to do about that. > > To stop the cron job, do :? crontab -u mailman -e the cron wasn't running - reboot... > > That will allow you to edit the mailman users crontab.? Comment out the line that is running qrunner.? > Don't forget to uncomment the line when you have the other problem solved. > > Hope this helps. > > Kalin Mintchev wrote: > > this is very urgent...... > > On Wed, 14 May 2003, Kalin Mintchev wrote: > > > > hi, > i have aproblem... > > the disc on the machine run out of space some time yesterday and i've been > getting a huge amount of emails like this... > they are a lot and it says the errors are on different lines in different > files... i wasn't in my offuce yesterday so i couldn't see this right > away... > > after restarting the server and trying to go to the admin on some of the > list i can't log in.... what next? > > > > Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S > /var/mailman/cron/qrunner > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ? > from Mailman import MailList > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 41, in ? > from Mailman.ListAdmin import ListAdmin > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 37, in ? > from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 25, in ? > from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog > ImportError: cannot import name syslog > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: kalin at el.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/kalin%40el.net > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: khcarlso at bellsouth.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/khcarlso%40bellsouth.net > > > > > From GRubin at ccianet.org Thu May 15 00:22:32 2003 From: GRubin at ccianet.org (Gabe N. Rubin) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:22:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] still having difficulty: this time for responses Message-ID: I have solved my previous problem by adding "list" to the trusted_users of exim, but still am having difficulties. People could sign up and receive a confirmation notice. If they follow the link, it would make them a subscriber. However, if they emailed back, it would not. I was getting an email from cron telling me this: 2003-05-14 17:23:01 19G3ga-0007Sf-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request osaia After searching google groups, i came accross with similar problems, and followed the directions here: http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html by cutting and pasting those exact lines in there. However, this makes matters worse, as now it does not send any acknowledgment when someone tries to sign-up, much less let them confirm their subscription. I know there is no /home/mailman on my system, and that is one of the lines added to the exim file (MAILMAN_HOME=/home/mailman) I am pretty stumped here. I have tried taking the stuff out of the /etc/aliases file and leaving it in. Neither works. I have no idea what I am doing wrong here, and it is frustrating me a bit. Hopefully someome can help! Gabe From kalin at el.net Thu May 15 01:27:17 2003 From: kalin at el.net (Kalin Mintchev) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT HELP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 14 May 2003, Kalin Mintchev wrote: > > On Wed, 14 May 2003, Jim Popovitch wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kalin Mintchev > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:00 PM > > > > > > i have aproblem... > > > > > > the disc on the machine run out of space some time yesterday > > > > Hopefully you have solved the root cause by now... right? > > yes.... actaully from all the lists on that server now only one doesn't > let me in.. i changed the config.db.last to config and chenged > permissions but it still doesn't let me in... even with the mmsitepass. > how do i change the password of that list frpm "outside".... so i can get > in.... or if there are files corrupted while there wasn't any space on the > disk which one would that be....? > > thanks... > resetting the mmsitepass worked - just in case somebody has the same problem.... > > > > > > -Jim P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: kalin at el.net > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/kalin%40el.net > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: kalin at el.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/kalin%40el.net > From seth at autismisanotherworld.com Thu May 15 04:24:08 2003 From: seth at autismisanotherworld.com (Seth Kneller) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 03:24:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with HTML -> Plain Text Conversion. Message-ID: <3EC2FA48.1020002@autismisanotherworld.com> Hi, This is rather a strange one. I run a list which uses Mailman 2.1.2 and Exim as the MTA. Exiscan is also in use to scan for viri and SPAM using Sophie and SA respectively. I have a problem with one subscriber who is using hotmail [yeah I know, but there will always be lusers out there!]. Anyway, she has sent 2 posts so far and each post contains one line: 1st: /root/botjYb: Permission denied 2nd: /root/P80Z34: Permission denied I double checked the emails against the logs, I got one match for each email in the error log, which is as follows: 1st: May 09 21:09:01 2003 (20888) HTML->text/plain error: 256 2nd: May 13 16:45:55 2003 (20888) HTML->text/plain error: 256 All my MM permission check out and I am really stumped as to what is going on here. At first I though it was some kind or SPAM or hack attempt, but I have spoken to the lady off list and she is genuine. Also her emails to me are HTMLified, so I assume she is sending HTML emails by default. I will advise her to chenge to plain text, but I would really like to be able to say "don't worry about what format you send it in - attachments and HTML will be stripped off when it gets to the list" My content filtering is set as follows: filter_content = true filter_mime_types= pass_mime_types=text/html,text/plain,multipart/alternative convert_html_to_plaintext=true filter_action=reject Does anyone have any ideas about this - I am more than willing to provide more info if nessecary. Thanks, -- Seth From jwt at OnJapan.net Thu May 15 09:24:34 2003 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:24:34 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] still having difficulty: this time for responses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030515072434.GA20886@server.onjapan.net> On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 06:22:32PM -0400, Gabe N. Rubin wrote: > After searching google groups, i came accross with similar problems, and > followed the directions here: http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html by > cutting and pasting those exact lines in there. However, this makes That document was intended for Mailman 2.0.x users. > matters worse, as now it does not send any acknowledgment when someone > tries to sign-up, much less let them confirm their subscription. I know > there is no /home/mailman on my system, and that is one of the lines added > to the exim file (MAILMAN_HOME=/home/mailman) Then don't do that. :-) Your MAILMAN_HOME directory is probably /usr/local/mailman. Read README.EXIM in the Mailman source tarball (which has been revised to match Mailman 2.1.x). From kalin at el.net Thu May 15 09:23:01 2003 From: kalin at el.net (Kalin Mintchev) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 03:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner (fwd) Message-ID: hi, i wrote to this list earlier today... the subject line was URGENT HELP... i thought i solved the problem but apparently i was wrong... i started getting this emails again - i'm forwarding the last one below. the problem apparently started when the disk on which mailman lives and writes to got full and the qrunner screwd up some files somewhere... if i reset the master site password everything appears to be fine... after that mailman/cron runs the qrunner and everything gets screwd up and i start getting the error emails.... of all the lists on the server only one is the messed up - the most important one of cource... so i'm trying to figure out how can i solve this mess... bellow the forwrded message there are some snippets from the error log under mailman... if somebody can help i'd really appreciate it... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 00:52:02 -0400 From: Cron Daemon To: mailman at caiman.el.net Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ? from Mailman import MailList File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 41, in ? from Mailman.ListAdmin import ListAdmin File "/var/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 37, in ? from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 25, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 22, in ? from StampedLogger import StampedLogger File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 19, in ? from Logger import Logger File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 23, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Utils import _logexc ImportError: cannot import name _logexc ************************************************ here is where all hell brakes loose:........ May 13 13:25:04 2003 qrunner(13601): Traceback (innermost last): May 13 13:25:04 2003 qrunner(13601): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ? May 13 13:25:04 2003 qrunner(13601): lock.lock(timeout=0.5) May 13 13:25:04 2003 qrunner(13601): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 272, in lock May 13 13:25:04 2003 qrunner(13601): os.unlink(self.__tmpfname) May 13 13:25:04 2003 qrunner(13601): NameError : os May 13 13:44:02 2003 qrunner(13680): Traceback (innermost last): May 13 13:44:02 2003 qrunner(13680): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ? May 13 13:44:02 2003 qrunner(13680): lock.lock(timeout=0.5) May 13 13:44:02 2003 qrunner(13680): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 272, in lock May 13 13:44:02 2003 qrunner(13680): os.unlink(self.__tmpfname) May 13 13:44:02 2003 qrunner(13680): NameError : os May 13 13:45:05 2003 qrunner(13685): Traceback (innermost last): May 13 13:45:05 2003 qrunner(13685): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ? May 13 13:45:05 2003 qrunner(13685): lock.lock(timeout=0.5) May 13 13:45:05 2003 qrunner(13685): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 272, in lock May 13 13:45:05 2003 qrunner(13685): os.unlink(self.__tmpfname) May 13 13:45:05 2003 qrunner(13685): NameError : os May 13 13:58:07 2003 admin(13737): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ admin(13737): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----] admin(13737): [----- Traceback ------] admin(13737): Traceback (innermost last): admin(13737): File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main admin(13737): main() admin(13737): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 145, in main admin(13737): mlist.Lock() admin(13737): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1339, in Lock admin(13737): self.__lock.lock(timeout) admin(13737): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 232, in lock admin(13737): os.link(self.__tmpfname, self.__lockfile) admin(13737): AttributeError: link admin(13737): [----- Python Information -----] admin(13737): sys.version = 1.5.2 (#1, Mar 3 2001, 01:35:43) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2 admin(13737): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python admin(13737): sys.prefix = /usr admin(13737): sys.exec_prefix= /usr admin(13737): sys.path = /usr admin(13737): sys.platform = linux-i386 ...................... below this is detaild info of the server - os, ip, who made the request and from where etc.... these are the last lines in the error log: ........................................... May 14 01:38:03 2003 qrunner(16595): NameError : os May 14 02:18:03 2003 qrunner(16758): Traceback (innermost last): May 14 02:18:03 2003 qrunner(16758): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ? May 14 02:18:03 2003 qrunner(16758): lock.lock(timeout=0.5) May 14 02:18:03 2003 qrunner(16758): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 272, in lock May 14 02:18:03 2003 qrunner(16758): os.unlink(self.__tmpfname) May 14 02:18:03 2003 qrunner(16758): NameError : os May 14 02:23:02 2003 qrunner(16778): Traceback (innermost last): May 14 02:23:02 2003 qrunner(16778): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ? May 14 02:23:02 2003 qrunner(16778): lock.lock(timeout=0.5) May 14 02:23:02 2003 qrunner(16778): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 277, in lock May 14 02:23:02 2003 qrunner(16778): if time.time() > self.__releasetime() + CLOCK_SLOP: May 14 02:23:02 2003 qrunner(16778): NameError : time May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): Traceback (innermost last): May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 221, in ArchiveMail May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): h.processUnixMailbox(f, HyperArch.Article) May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 526, in processUnixMailbox May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): a = articleClass(m, self.sequence) May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 194, in __init__ May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): self.__super_init(message, sequence, keepHeaders) May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 223, in __init__ May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): self.body = message.fp.readlines() May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): File "/usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/mailbox.py", line 72, in readlines May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): line = self.readline() May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): File "/usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/mailbox.py", line 66, in readline May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): self.pos = self.fp.tell() May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): AttributeError: fp May 14 03:04:10 2003 (15878) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: medialist May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): Traceback (innermost last): May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): File "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ? May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): main() May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): File "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): process_lists(lock) May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): File "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 140, in process_lists May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 73, in __init__ May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): self.InitTempVars(name) May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 265, in InitTempVars May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): withlogging = mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_DEBUGGING) May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 175, in __init__ May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): self.__tmpfname = '%s.%s.%d' % ( May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): NameError : os May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): Exception exceptions.AttributeError : in < method LockFile.__del__ of LockFile instance at 81d5150> ignored *************************************************************************** i see the CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST message..... what can i do about it?! i really need this solved soon - please help.... thanks... From GRubin at ccianet.org Thu May 15 16:01:45 2003 From: GRubin at ccianet.org (Gabe N. Rubin) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:01:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] still having difficulty: this time for responses Message-ID: I actually tried all the stuff in that readme first, and that did not seem to work either. I am still stuck at the stage where I can't get anything processed by mailman beyond the notification to the list admin. When someone responds via email, nothing happens. I am starting to give up on exim and thinking qmail may be my best option, but if there are any ideas, please let me know. Jim Tittsler Sent by: mailman-users-bounces+grubin=ccianet.org at python.org 05/15/03 03:24 AM To: mailman-users at python.org cc: Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] still having difficulty: this time for responses On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 06:22:32PM -0400, Gabe N. Rubin wrote: > After searching google groups, i came accross with similar problems, and > followed the directions here: http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html by > cutting and pasting those exact lines in there. However, this makes That document was intended for Mailman 2.0.x users. > matters worse, as now it does not send any acknowledgment when someone > tries to sign-up, much less let them confirm their subscription. I know > there is no /home/mailman on my system, and that is one of the lines added > to the exim file (MAILMAN_HOME=/home/mailman) Then don't do that. :-) Your MAILMAN_HOME directory is probably /usr/local/mailman. Read README.EXIM in the Mailman source tarball (which has been revised to match Mailman 2.1.x). ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: grubin at ccianet.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/grubin%40ccianet.org From GRubin at ccianet.org Thu May 15 16:25:06 2003 From: GRubin at ccianet.org (Gabe N. Rubin) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:25:06 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] all problems [hopefully] solved Message-ID: Everyone can disregard my last message. Looks like my probs were solved, w/o even having to resort to switching off exim. I think in the last 2 days of playing with this, I have learned the most about linux and esp exim since I installed. My thanks to the developers of mailman, looks like exactly what our organization needs for this project! From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Thu May 15 16:39:27 2003 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:39:27 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] still having difficulty: this time forresponses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1053009550.26247.176.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Assume you install refers to /home/mailman and you use Exim 4. Did you try this with Exim: ------------------------------------------------------------> SNIP # General section MAILMAN_HOME=/home/mailman # wrapper script for mailman MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/mailman # user and group for mailman MAILMAN_UID=8 MAILMAN_GID=12 # Router section ############################### # Mailman Router ############################### mailman_router: driver = accept domains = require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck local_part_suffix_optional local_part_suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : \ -confirm+* : -join : -leave : \ -owner : -request : -admin transport = mailman_transport # Transport section ############################################# # Mailman Transport ############################################# mailman_transport: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN_WRAP \ '${if def:local_part_suffix \ {${sg{$local_part_suffix}{-(\\w+)(\\+.*)?}{\$1}}} \ {post}}' \ $local_part current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME user = MAILMAN_UID group = MAILMAN_GID ------------------------------------------------------------> SNIP Restart Exim. Thats all you need at first. - oliver Am Don, 2003-05-15 um 16.01 schrieb Gabe N. Rubin: > I actually tried all the stuff in that readme first, and that did not seem > to work either. I am still stuck at the stage where I can't get anything > processed by mailman beyond the notification to the list admin. When > someone responds via email, nothing happens. I am starting to give up on > exim and thinking qmail may be my best option, but if there are any ideas, > please let me know. > > > > > > > Jim Tittsler > Sent by: mailman-users-bounces+grubin=ccianet.org at python.org > 05/15/03 03:24 AM > > > To: mailman-users at python.org > cc: > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] still having difficulty: this time for responses > > > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 06:22:32PM -0400, Gabe N. Rubin wrote: > > After searching google groups, i came accross with similar problems, and > > > followed the directions here: http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html by > > cutting and pasting those exact lines in there. However, this makes > > That document was intended for Mailman 2.0.x users. > > > matters worse, as now it does not send any acknowledgment when someone > > tries to sign-up, much less let them confirm their subscription. I know > > > there is no /home/mailman on my system, and that is one of the lines > added > > to the exim file (MAILMAN_HOME=/home/mailman) > > Then don't do that. :-) Your MAILMAN_HOME directory is > probably /usr/local/mailman. Read README.EXIM in the > Mailman source tarball (which has been revised to match > Mailman 2.1.x). > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: grubin at ccianet.org > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/grubin%40ccianet.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: oliver.egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/oliver.egginger%40dvz.fh-giessen.de -- Oliver Egginger Fachochschule Giessen-Friedberg From bruno at web1.greenpeace.org Thu May 15 16:30:22 2003 From: bruno at web1.greenpeace.org (Bruno Mattarollo) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:30:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration from 2.0.13 -> 2.1-8 Message-ID: Hello, I have a server that was hacked and we managed to recover the files from it. I had a mailman 2.0.13 installation there and our new server is running RedHat 9 with the default Mailman 2.1-8 installation. How is the upgrade procedure? I read on this list that you need to copy the lists/ files over to /var/mailman/lists/ and then use bin/check_perms but I get this error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/check_perms", line 51, in ? MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam(MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found This is a standard RH9 installation. Any hints? Thanks in advance, /B -- --- Bruno Mattarollo --- SysAdmin & TechLead - Greenpeace International http://www.greenpeace.org/ ---------------------------------------------------- From csouza1977 at yahoo.com Thu May 15 18:01:44 2003 From: csouza1977 at yahoo.com (chris souza) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing emails to mailman's database Message-ID: <20030515160144.31191.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I have a list of 15,000 emails. I would like to import them to mailman. I would then use mailman to email all of them my newsletter. Is this possible? Thanks, Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com Thu May 15 18:27:16 2003 From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:27:16 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing emails to mailman's database In-Reply-To: <20030515160144.31191.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3EC36B84.15710.75225D@localhost> On 15 May 2003 at 9:01, chris souza wrote: > I have a list of 15,000 emails. I would like to import > them to mailman. I would then use mailman to email all > of them my newsletter. Is this possible? I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're trying to do... so I'll try to answer and you can respond if I missed the target. If your 15,000 emails are in mbox format, they can be imported into the archives using the ~/bin/arch command. If they aren't in the mbox format, that's a simple matter of programming (unless your 15,000 emails are in 1,000 wierd formats, which often happens). Importing the emails doesn't send them anywhere. They wind up in the archives. I'm not sure what you mean by your newsletter. If you mean an emailed newsletter, and if you want to send the 15,000 messages to your mailing list subscribers, you risk subscriber anger. I wouldn't want to wake up one morning and discover someone had sent me 15,000 emails. It would be a drain on my 56k dialup line. And more than I'd care to try to digest all at once, no matter how involved I was with the topic of the newsletter or mailing list. Even skimming 15,000 email subject lines takes a while. I have a bunch of archives left over from about a dozen mailing lists from other list managers and am in the process of converting them to mbox format so I can import them. I wouldn't dream of sending them to my subscribers. Though I will tell them that they are on-line when that finally happens. Mike -- Mike Avery MAvery at mail.otherwhen.com ICQ: 16241692 AOL IM:MAvery81230 Phone: 970-642-0280 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. From dhphllps at memphis.edu Thu May 15 19:06:13 2003 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:06:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing emails to mailman's database In-Reply-To: <3EC36B84.15710.75225D@localhost> Message-ID: <88A6BA6D-86F7-11D7-8389-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> On Thursday, May 15, 2003, at 11:27 AM, Mike Avery wrote: > On 15 May 2003 at 9:01, chris souza wrote: > >> I have a list of 15,000 emails. I would like to import >> them to mailman. I would then use mailman to email all >> of them my newsletter. Is this possible? > > I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're trying to do... so I'll > try to > answer and you can respond if I missed the target. > My take was that he meant 15,000 subscriber addresses, not messages. If that is a correct interpretation, then the answer is of course yes. DP From kalin at el.net Thu May 15 18:38:29 2003 From: kalin at el.net (Kalin Mintchev) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: so, nobody... ok i tried to rebuild the archive for that list and it doesn't do it... so i looked into it - the problem apparently started when somebody on that particular list sent a huge attachment i know that list had a limit of 100k - so i'm wondering how this attachment was accepted by mailman and why? also under the database directory for that list there are all kinds of lock files that aren't under the the other private/database directories, like this: 2003-May-article -rw-rw-r-- 2 root mailman 89 May 15 02:47 2003-May-article.lock -rw-rw-r-- 2 root mailman 89 May 15 02:47 2003-May-article.1283 -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 264 May 6 13:28 2003-May-author -rw-rw-r-- 2 root mailman 88 May 15 02:47 2003-May-author.lock -rw-rw-r-- 2 root mailman 88 May 15 02:47 2003-May-author.lock.1283 -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 228 May 6 13:28 2003-May-date -rw-rw-r-- 2 root mailman 86 May 15 02:47 2003-May-date.lock -rw-rw-r-- 2 root mailman 86 May 15 02:47 2003-May-date.lock.1283 how do i unlock them? or if i rename them or delete them is this going to solve the problem? if i delete the message from the .mbox file and rebuld the archive is this gonna solve the problem? and if not the mailman-users list where else should i turn for help?! On Thu, 15 May 2003, Kalin Mintchev wrote: > > hi, > > i wrote to this list earlier today... the subject line was URGENT HELP... > > i thought i solved the problem but apparently i was wrong... > i started getting this emails again - i'm forwarding the last one below. > the problem apparently started when the disk on which mailman lives and > writes to got full and the qrunner screwd up some files somewhere... > if i reset the master site password everything appears to be fine... after > that mailman/cron runs the qrunner and everything gets screwd up and i > start getting the error emails.... > of all the lists on the server only one is the messed up - the most > important one of cource... so i'm trying to figure out how can i solve > this mess... bellow the forwrded message there are some snippets from the > error log under mailman... if somebody can help i'd really appreciate > it... > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 00:52:02 -0400 > From: Cron Daemon > To: mailman at caiman.el.net > Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ? > from Mailman import MailList > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 41, in ? > from Mailman.ListAdmin import ListAdmin > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 37, in ? > from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 25, in ? > from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 22, in ? > from StampedLogger import StampedLogger > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 19, in ? > from Logger import Logger > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 23, in ? > from Mailman.Logging.Utils import _logexc > ImportError: cannot import name _logexc > > ************************************************ > here is where all hell brakes loose:........ > > May 13 13:25:04 2003 qrunner(13601): Traceback (innermost last): > May 13 13:25:04 2003 qrunner(13601): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", > line 276, in ? > May 13 13:25:04 2003 qrunner(13601): lock.lock(timeout=0.5) > May 13 13:25:04 2003 qrunner(13601): File > "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 272, in lock > May 13 13:25:04 2003 qrunner(13601): os.unlink(self.__tmpfname) > May 13 13:25:04 2003 qrunner(13601): NameError : os > May 13 13:44:02 2003 qrunner(13680): Traceback (innermost last): > May 13 13:44:02 2003 qrunner(13680): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", > line 276, in ? > May 13 13:44:02 2003 qrunner(13680): lock.lock(timeout=0.5) > May 13 13:44:02 2003 qrunner(13680): File > "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 272, in lock > May 13 13:44:02 2003 qrunner(13680): os.unlink(self.__tmpfname) > May 13 13:44:02 2003 qrunner(13680): NameError : os > May 13 13:45:05 2003 qrunner(13685): Traceback (innermost last): > May 13 13:45:05 2003 qrunner(13685): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", > line 276, in ? > May 13 13:45:05 2003 qrunner(13685): lock.lock(timeout=0.5) > May 13 13:45:05 2003 qrunner(13685): File > "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 272, in lock > May 13 13:45:05 2003 qrunner(13685): os.unlink(self.__tmpfname) > May 13 13:45:05 2003 qrunner(13685): NameError : os > May 13 13:58:07 2003 admin(13737): > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > admin(13737): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----] > admin(13737): [----- Traceback ------] > admin(13737): Traceback (innermost last): > admin(13737): File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main > admin(13737): main() > admin(13737): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 145, in > main > admin(13737): mlist.Lock() > admin(13737): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1339, in > Lock > admin(13737): self.__lock.lock(timeout) > admin(13737): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 232, in lock > admin(13737): os.link(self.__tmpfname, self.__lockfile) > admin(13737): AttributeError: link > admin(13737): [----- Python Information -----] > admin(13737): sys.version = 1.5.2 (#1, Mar 3 2001, 01:35:43) [GCC > 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2 > admin(13737): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python > admin(13737): sys.prefix = /usr > admin(13737): sys.exec_prefix= /usr > admin(13737): sys.path = /usr > admin(13737): sys.platform = linux-i386 > ...................... > below this is detaild info of the server - os, ip, who made the request > and from where etc.... > > these are the last lines in the error log: > ........................................... > May 14 01:38:03 2003 qrunner(16595): NameError : os > May 14 02:18:03 2003 qrunner(16758): Traceback (innermost last): > May 14 02:18:03 2003 qrunner(16758): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", > line 276, in ? > May 14 02:18:03 2003 qrunner(16758): lock.lock(timeout=0.5) > May 14 02:18:03 2003 qrunner(16758): File > "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 272, in lock > May 14 02:18:03 2003 qrunner(16758): os.unlink(self.__tmpfname) > May 14 02:18:03 2003 qrunner(16758): NameError : os > May 14 02:23:02 2003 qrunner(16778): Traceback (innermost last): > May 14 02:23:02 2003 qrunner(16778): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", > line 276, in ? > May 14 02:23:02 2003 qrunner(16778): lock.lock(timeout=0.5) > May 14 02:23:02 2003 qrunner(16778): File > "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 277, in lock > May 14 02:23:02 2003 qrunner(16778): if time.time() > > self.__releasetime() + CLOCK_SLOP: > May 14 02:23:02 2003 qrunner(16778): NameError : time > May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): Traceback (innermost last): > May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): File > "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 221, in ArchiveMail > May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): h.processUnixMailbox(f, > HyperArch.Article) > May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): File > "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 526, in > processUnixMailbox > May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): a = articleClass(m, > self.sequence) > May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): File > "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 194, in __init__ > May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): self.__super_init(message, > sequence, keepHeaders) > May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): File > "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 223, in __init__ > May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): self.body = > message.fp.readlines() > May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): File > "/usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/mailbox.py", line 72, in readlines > May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): line = self.readline() > May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): File > "/usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/mailbox.py", line 66, in readline > May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): self.pos = self.fp.tell() > May 14 03:04:10 2003 qrunner(15878): AttributeError: fp > May 14 03:04:10 2003 (15878) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: medialist > May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): Traceback (innermost last): > May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): File > "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ? > May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): main() > May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): File > "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main > May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): process_lists(lock) > May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): File > "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 140, in process_lists > May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): mlist = > MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) > May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): File > "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 73, in __init__ > May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): self.InitTempVars(name) > May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): File > "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 265, in InitTempVars > May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): withlogging = > mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_DEBUGGING) > May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): File > "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 175, in __init__ > May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): self.__tmpfname = '%s.%s.%d' % > ( > May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): NameError : os > May 14 23:55:03 2003 gate_news(3038): Exception exceptions.AttributeError > : in < > method LockFile.__del__ of LockFile instance at 81d5150> ignored > *************************************************************************** > > i see the CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST message..... what can i do about it?! > > > > i really need this solved soon - please help.... > > thanks... > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: kalin at el.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/kalin%40el.net > From kommunikation at mit-freude.de Thu May 15 20:28:09 2003 From: kommunikation at mit-freude.de (Mit Freude) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:28:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send-to address out of order Message-ID: Hi! I'm new here - don't know about the do's-'n-don'ts on this list, but as my problem is urgent, I can't just wait and watch to learn about this specific list's netiquette, so please excuse if I fail in one aspect or other. I successfully run a private eMail-list with mailman version 2.1.1 for quite a while now. Without any tangible reason, no mail goes through our "send to" address since last night. I received private complains from list-members about them being unable to post to the list, so I tried myself - none of the mails sent to our list address comes through. Yesterday, things were ok still, this morning, when I tried to reply to a mail, the failure was in effect already. Mailman was pre-installed by my web-hoster, I don't have any influence in their settings. Any idea what's wrong here? Thanks for your support, Elena From debuser at sysmatrix.net Thu May 15 19:44:46 2003 From: debuser at sysmatrix.net (Gerald Livingston) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:44:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing emails to mailman's database In-Reply-To: <88A6BA6D-86F7-11D7-8389-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> References: <3EC36B84.15710.75225D@localhost> <88A6BA6D-86F7-11D7-8389-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Message-ID: <20030515124446.34eb2116.debuser@sysmatrix.net> On Thu, 15 May 2003 12:06:13 -0500 "Dan Phillips" wrote: > On Thursday, May 15, 2003, at 11:27 AM, Mike Avery wrote: > > On 15 May 2003 at 9:01, chris souza wrote: > > > >> I have a list of 15,000 emails. I would like to import > >> them to mailman. I would then use mailman to email all > >> of them my newsletter. Is this possible? > > > > I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're trying to do... so > > I'll try to answer and you can respond if I missed the target. > > My take was that he meant 15,000 subscriber addresses, not messages. > If that is a correct interpretation, then the answer is of course yes. > > DP Here's the way I read it: "Hello, I just bought a list of email addresses from a spam support company. Is it possible for me to involuntarily subscribe all of them to my spamletter using Mailman?" -- Gerald V. Livingston II Configure your Email to send TEXT ONLY -- See the following page: http://expita.com/nomime.html '74 Kombi (to be renamed - LifeSaver doesn't 'feel' right) '69 Type 1 - AirBall the Rolling Basket Case http://www.phorce1.com http://www.buskatiers.org From teastep at shorewall.net Thu May 15 20:12:30 2003 From: teastep at shorewall.net (Tom Eastep) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:12:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send-to address out of order In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 15 May 2003 19:28:09 +0100, Mit Freude wrote: > > I successfully run a private eMail-list with mailman version 2.1.1 for > quite a while now. Without any tangible reason, no mail goes through our > "send to" address since last night. > > Any idea what's wrong here? When this happens to me, the first thing that I do is to be sure that qrunner is running: [root at lists Vexira]# ps -ax | grep qrunner | grep -v grep 22927 ? S 12:26 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner -- runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s 22928 ? S 0:28 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner -- runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s 22929 ? S 0:07 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner -- runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s 22930 ? S 0:55 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner -- runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s 22931 ? S 0:03 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner -- runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s 22932 ? S 2:23 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner -- runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s 22933 ? S 0:21 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner -- runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s [root at lists Vexira]# -Tom -- Tom Eastep \ Shorewall - iptables made easy Shoreline, \ http://www.shorewall.net Washington USA \ teastep at shorewall.net From csouza1977 at yahoo.com Thu May 15 20:14:31 2003 From: csouza1977 at yahoo.com (chris souza) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing emails to mailman's database In-Reply-To: <20030515124446.34eb2116.debuser@sysmatrix.net> Message-ID: <20030515181431.23419.qmail@web10306.mail.yahoo.com> Gerald, the assumption is incorrect. These are subscribed users who have selected to receive my newsletter. I was researching if mailman was a good tool to send them my newsletter. Chris --- Gerald Livingston wrote: > On Thu, 15 May 2003 12:06:13 -0500 > "Dan Phillips" wrote: > > > On Thursday, May 15, 2003, at 11:27 AM, Mike > Avery wrote: > > > On 15 May 2003 at 9:01, chris souza wrote: > > > > > >> I have a list of 15,000 emails. I would like to > import > > >> them to mailman. I would then use mailman to > email all > > >> of them my newsletter. Is this possible? > > > > > > I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're > trying to do... so > > > I'll try to answer and you can respond if I > missed the target. > > > > My take was that he meant 15,000 subscriber > addresses, not messages. > > If that is a correct interpretation, then the > answer is of course yes. > > > > DP > > Here's the way I read it: > > "Hello, I just bought a list of email addresses from > a spam support > company. Is it possible for me to involuntarily > subscribe all of them to > my spamletter using Mailman?" > > -- > Gerald V. Livingston II > > Configure your Email to send TEXT ONLY -- See the > following page: > http://expita.com/nomime.html > > '74 Kombi (to be renamed - LifeSaver doesn't 'feel' > right) > '69 Type 1 - AirBall the Rolling Basket Case > http://www.phorce1.com > http://www.buskatiers.org > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: csouza1977 at yahoo.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/csouza1977%40yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From csouza1977 at yahoo.com Thu May 15 20:17:34 2003 From: csouza1977 at yahoo.com (chris souza) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing emails to mailman's database In-Reply-To: <88A6BA6D-86F7-11D7-8389-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Message-ID: <20030515181734.17042.qmail@web10302.mail.yahoo.com> DP, you are correct. Currently the emails are on a MS SQL database. I am trying to figure out how to export the emails and import them to mailman. Once this is done I need to submit a monthly newsletter. --- Dan Phillips wrote: > On Thursday, May 15, 2003, at 11:27 AM, Mike Avery > wrote: > > On 15 May 2003 at 9:01, chris souza wrote: > > > >> I have a list of 15,000 emails. I would like to > import > >> them to mailman. I would then use mailman to > email all > >> of them my newsletter. Is this possible? > > > > I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're > trying to do... so I'll > > try to > > answer and you can respond if I missed the target. > > > > My take was that he meant 15,000 subscriber > addresses, not messages. If > that is a correct interpretation, then the answer is > of course yes. > > DP > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: csouza1977 at yahoo.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/csouza1977%40yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From csouza1977 at yahoo.com Thu May 15 20:20:20 2003 From: csouza1977 at yahoo.com (chris souza) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing emails to mailman's database In-Reply-To: <3EC36B84.15710.75225D@localhost> Message-ID: <20030515182020.17541.qmail@web10302.mail.yahoo.com> Mike, I would send 1 newsletter mail to 15,000 emails. Thanks for the response. Chris --- Mike Avery wrote: > On 15 May 2003 at 9:01, chris souza wrote: > > > I have a list of 15,000 emails. I would like to > import > > them to mailman. I would then use mailman to email > all > > of them my newsletter. Is this possible? > > I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're > trying to do... so I'll try to > answer and you can respond if I missed the target. > > If your 15,000 emails are in mbox format, they can > be imported into the > archives using the ~/bin/arch command. If they > aren't in the mbox > format, that's a simple matter of programming > (unless your 15,000 > emails are in 1,000 wierd formats, which often > happens). > > Importing the emails doesn't send them anywhere. > They wind up in > the archives. > > I'm not sure what you mean by your newsletter. If > you mean an > emailed newsletter, and if you want to send the > 15,000 messages to > your mailing list subscribers, you risk subscriber > anger. I wouldn't want > to wake up one morning and discover someone had sent > me 15,000 > emails. It would be a drain on my 56k dialup line. > And more than I'd > care to try to digest all at once, no matter how > involved I was with the > topic of the newsletter or mailing list. Even > skimming 15,000 email > subject lines takes a while. > > I have a bunch of archives left over from about a > dozen mailing lists > from other list managers and am in the process of > converting them to > mbox format so I can import them. I wouldn't dream > of sending them > to my subscribers. Though I will tell them that > they are on-line when > that finally happens. > > Mike > -- > Mike Avery > MAvery at mail.otherwhen.com > ICQ: 16241692 AOL > IM:MAvery81230 > Phone: 970-642-0280 > * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any > other > way * > > A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day > If you're not part of the solution, you're part of > the precipitate. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: csouza1977 at yahoo.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/csouza1977%40yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From python.org at gregwestin.com Thu May 15 20:47:05 2003 From: python.org at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Uncaught bounce notification" for -admin addresses In-Reply-To: <3EBBBA20.20704@mitre.org> Message-ID: This thread seems to have either died or been renamed and I missed it. Does anyone have any thoughts on what might be going on here, and/or how to fix it? Greg On Friday, May 9, 2003, at 10:24 AM, John DeCarlo wrote: > Jon, > > Sorry, I thought I added that I was using Postfix. But since the > manual test had the same result, that seemed to eliminate it being an > MTA issue. > > Jon Carnes wrote: > >> What MTA are you using? >> On Fri, 2003-05-09 at 09:27, John DeCarlo wrote: >>> Well, >>> >>> I am seeing the exact same issues as Greg. Not only that, but I >>> tried all my lists, and every one of them returns a bounce message >>> for email sent to -admin at host.com - even if I do it by >>> hand the way Jon suggested. >>> >>> What is the -admin alias supposed to do, anyway? I had assumed >>> (there you go) that it would just forward to the list admin. > > -- > > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: python.org at gregwestin.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > python.org%40gregwestin.com > -- http://www.gregwestin.com Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com Thu May 15 20:54:50 2003 From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:54:50 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing emails to mailman's database In-Reply-To: <20030515181734.17042.qmail@web10302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <88A6BA6D-86F7-11D7-8389-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Message-ID: <3EC38E1A.28716.FC460E@localhost> On 15 May 2003 at 11:17, chris souza wrote: > DP, you are correct. Currently the emails are on a MS > SQL database. I am trying to figure out how to export > the emails and import them to mailman. Once this is > done I need to submit a monthly newsletter. No sweat. Once you've installed Mailman, created the list you need, subscribed yourself to it, and made sure the list works.... Create a plain text file of the 15,000 email addresses (that's the key word you left out... there's a difference between 15,000 emails and 15,000 email addresses), with one address per line. Perhaps you can create a report and send it to a file instead of to a printer. Then you can either cut and paste that file into the Mailman mass subscription screen, or use the "specify a file to upload" option. Once the people are members, you can start sending out your newsletter. Depending on your connection, and the connections of your subscribers, it can take a while to get out 15,000 mails.... Mike From kommunikation at mit-freude.de Thu May 15 22:11:06 2003 From: kommunikation at mit-freude.de (Mit Freude) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:11:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send-to address out of order In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Tom, Thank you for this detailed reply! Now, as I don't have access to the server, I can't use this info. Mailman is pre-installed by my web-hoster, as part of my web space package. So that's outside my influence. Anything I can do apart of the option you hinted on? Elena : ) http://communication.with-joy.com http://kommunikation.mit-freude.de ; ) >Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:12:30 -0700 >To: Mit Freude , mailman-users at python.org >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Send-to address out of order >From: Tom Eastep > >On Thu, 15 May 2003 19:28:09 +0100, Mit Freude freude.de> wrote: > > >> >> I successfully run a private eMail-list with mailman version 2.1.1 for >> quite a while now. Without any tangible reason, no mail goes through our >> "send to" address since last night. >> >> Any idea what's wrong here? > >When this happens to me, the first thing that I do is to be sure that >qrunner is running: > >[root at lists Vexira]# ps -ax | grep qrunner | grep -v grep >22927 ? S 12:26 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner -- >runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s >22928 ? S 0:28 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner -- >runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s >22929 ? S 0:07 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner -- >runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s >22930 ? S 0:55 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner -- >runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s >22931 ? S 0:03 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner -- >runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s >22932 ? S 2:23 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner -- >runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s >22933 ? S 0:21 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner -- >runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s >[root at lists Vexira]# > >-Tom >-- >Tom Eastep \ Shorewall - iptables made easy >Shoreline, \ http://www.shorewall.net >Washington USA \ teastep at shorewall.net > > From csouza1977 at yahoo.com Thu May 15 21:39:18 2003 From: csouza1977 at yahoo.com (chris souza) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing emails to mailman's database In-Reply-To: <3EC38E1A.28716.FC460E@localhost> Message-ID: <20030515193918.72256.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> Mike, Yes sorry I meant e-mail address's. Would you know of how long a while could be? Would you know of maybe a benchmark example online? Thank, Chris --- Mike Avery wrote: > On 15 May 2003 at 11:17, chris souza wrote: > > > DP, you are correct. Currently the emails are on a > MS > > SQL database. I am trying to figure out how to > export > > the emails and import them to mailman. Once this > is > > done I need to submit a monthly newsletter. > > No sweat. Once you've installed Mailman, created > the list you need, > subscribed yourself to it, and made sure the list > works.... > > Create a plain text file of the 15,000 email > addresses (that's the key > word you left out... there's a difference between > 15,000 emails and > 15,000 email addresses), with one address per line. > Perhaps you can > create a report and send it to a file instead of to > a printer. > > Then you can either cut and paste that file into the > Mailman mass > subscription screen, or use the "specify a file to > upload" option. > > Once the people are members, you can start sending > out your > newsletter. > > Depending on your connection, and the connections of > your > subscribers, it can take a while to get out 15,000 > mails.... > > Mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From bruno at web1.greenpeace.org Thu May 15 21:40:18 2003 From: bruno at web1.greenpeace.org (Bruno Mattarollo) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:40:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't start mailmanctl Message-ID: Hello, This is a mailman 2.1-8 on RH9. When issuing: # bin/mailmanctl start Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? main() File "bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main check_privs() File "bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found What's going on? Can someone give me a hand? How is it that the default installation on RH9 doesn't run? Thanks! /B -- --- Bruno Mattarollo --- SysAdmin & TechLead - Greenpeace International http://www.greenpeace.org/ ---------------------------------------------------- From bruno at web1.greenpeace.org Thu May 15 21:46:29 2003 From: bruno at web1.greenpeace.org (Bruno Mattarollo) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:46:29 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't start mailmanctl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok, my apologies, I just filled-in MAILMAN_GROUP in Defaults.py and it worked .. There are no instructions for this ... Anyways it work /B On Thu, 15 May 2003, Bruno Mattarollo wrote: > Hello, > > This is a mailman 2.1-8 on RH9. When issuing: > > # bin/mailmanctl start > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? > main() > File "bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main > check_privs() > File "bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs > gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] > KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found > > What's going on? Can someone give me a hand? > > How is it that the default installation on RH9 doesn't run? > > Thanks! > > /B > > -- --- Bruno Mattarollo --- SysAdmin & TechLead - Greenpeace International http://www.greenpeace.org/ ---------------------------------------------------- From teastep at shorewall.net Thu May 15 22:15:13 2003 From: teastep at shorewall.net (Tom Eastep) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:15:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't start mailmanctl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 15 May 2003 21:46:29 +0200 (CEST), Bruno Mattarollo wrote: > Ok, my apologies, I just filled-in MAILMAN_GROUP in Defaults.py and it > worked .. There are no instructions for this ... Anyways it work > Er -- from Defaults.py: # NEVER make site configuration changes to this file. ALWAYS make them in # mm_cfg.py instead, in the designated area. See the comments in that file # for details. -Tom -- Tom Eastep \ Shorewall - iptables made easy Shoreline, \ http://www.shorewall.net Washington USA \ teastep at shorewall.net From mark at pdc-racing.net Thu May 15 22:17:33 2003 From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:17:33 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't start mailmanctl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bruno Mattarollo at bruno at web1.greenpeace.org wrote: > Ok, my apologies, I just filled-in MAILMAN_GROUP in Defaults.py and it > worked .. Take it out of Defaults.py and put it in mm_cfg.py. All local changes should go in there instead. That way they won't get over-written when you upgrade. > There are no instructions for this ... Anyways it work > Yep - thanks RedHat! - Mark -- mark at pdc-racing.net From flavio at gral.org.br Thu May 15 23:23:49 2003 From: flavio at gral.org.br (=?iso-8859-1?q?Fl=E1vio=20Brito?=) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:23:49 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix + MySQL + Mailman Message-ID: <200305151823.49972.flavio@gral.org.br> Dear List Yesterday I migrate my mail server (to postix + mysql ). My Mailman lists stopped. How can I put postfix + mysql + mailman? I tried INSERT INTO aliases VALUES ('linuxrj', 'linuxrj at gral.org.br'); INSERT INTO aliases VALUES ('linuxrj-owner at gral.org.br', 'linuxrj-admin'); INSERT INTO aliases VALUES ('linuxrj-admin at gral.org.br', 'linuxrj-admin'); INSERT INTO aliases VALUES ('linuxrj at gral.org.br','"|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post linuxrj"'); my list address is linuxrj at gral.org.br, but postfix answer me with: unknown USER How can I fix it? Thanks Fl?vio Brasil From bruno at web1.greenpeace.org Thu May 15 22:57:44 2003 From: bruno at web1.greenpeace.org (Bruno Mattarollo) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:57:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't start mailmanctl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you Mark and Tom ... I didn't read all the comments in the files as I am rushing to restore the service. Thanks a lot! ./B On Thu, 15 May 2003, Mark Dadgar wrote: > Bruno Mattarollo at bruno at web1.greenpeace.org wrote: > > Ok, my apologies, I just filled-in MAILMAN_GROUP in Defaults.py and it > > worked .. > > Take it out of Defaults.py and put it in mm_cfg.py. All local changes > should go in there instead. That way they won't get over-written when you > upgrade. > > > There are no instructions for this ... Anyways it work > > > > Yep - thanks RedHat! > > - Mark > -- > mark at pdc-racing.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bruno at web1.greenpeace.org > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bruno%40web1.greenpeace.org > -- --- Bruno Mattarollo --- SysAdmin & TechLead - Greenpeace International http://www.greenpeace.org/ ---------------------------------------------------- From cove at wildpackets.com Thu May 15 23:39:13 2003 From: cove at wildpackets.com (Cove Schneider) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:39:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem w/ remove_members (v2.1.2) Message-ID: <3EC40901.50405@wildpackets.com> Hi, I recently upgraded from 2.1 to 2.1.2 stable -- everything appeared to work fine. Though now I am unable to remove the members from some of the lists. e.g. $ ./remove_members -a -n -N some_list Traceback (most recent call last): File "./remove_members", line 186, in ? main() File "./remove_members", line 176, in main admin_notif, userack) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 941, in ApprovedDeleteMember self.removeMember(emailaddr) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 220, in removeMember self.__assertIsMember(member) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 113, in __assertIsMember raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: xxxx at yahoo.com Any info appreciated. Thanks, Cove From Mark at Rauterkus.com Fri May 16 00:50:11 2003 From: Mark at Rauterkus.com (Mark Rauterkus) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:50:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a mass unsubscribe utility / widget / input form? Message-ID: <200305152157.h4FLvJbi078601@rauterkus.com> Hi, Just as there is a mass subscribe form in the web interface for MM, I'd like a mass UNSUBCRIBE. This (wish list) form could have a field to NUKE names from an existing list. Advice welcome. I often take a snapshot of one list -- combine it with another. Then send out an invite. But, there are some in the past that I have as "do-not-mail." When I do the list combines I get that overlap and need to weed again. So, I'd love to have some utility that would scrub the list or mass UNsubscribe. Others in a biz, political or even a REGIONAL setting might find this useful too. Case in point: I'd like to invite those in PA and Ohio with a new list (email invite) but not invite those in W.Va. So, I build a new list from existing lists of Pittsburgh and 2nd list, Cleveland. Fine, its easy to combine lists. But the sticking point is how to then scrub out the know overlaps from W.Va. I'll want to remove some from the combined new lists using a DO-NOT-MAIL list. Hence, the mass Un-subscribe or the need for a SCRUB utility. Ta. Mark Rauterkus mark at Rauterkus.com http://Rauterkus.com http://CLOH.Org http://Sunnyhill.org http://www.Deliberate.com Pittsburgh Interfaith Impact Network's first 'Public Action' was Feb 20, 2003 at Wesley Center A.M.E.-Zion Church. Thanks for lending your power to this effort and its Youth & Recreation Task Force. http://dorm.cloh.org From esper at sherohman.org Fri May 16 00:06:23 2003 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:06:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a mass unsubscribe utility / widget / input form? In-Reply-To: <200305152157.h4FLvJbi078601@rauterkus.com> References: <200305152157.h4FLvJbi078601@rauterkus.com> Message-ID: <20030515220623.GJ18725@sherohman.org> On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 05:50:11PM -0500, Mark Rauterkus wrote: > Just as there is a mass subscribe form in the web interface for MM, I'd like > a mass UNSUBCRIBE. This (wish list) form could have a field to NUKE names > from an existing list. Membership management screen. Uncheck the "subscribed" column. You can remove as many members at a time as you like, within the constraints of how many are shown on the screen. -- The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) From mail at realwebhost.net Fri May 16 01:03:27 2003 From: mail at realwebhost.net (mail at realwebhost.net) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:03:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Letters Message-ID: <001401c31b36$32311fd0$9f2cdd41@computer> Using cpanel with mailman. We have some users that have large list. Some of which get hung up in the mail q. When we view them in the mail q we email address's of the people on the list to the left of their address we see these letters. NN NY YN YY What do they mean? From chriskl at familyhealth.com.au Fri May 16 03:21:48 2003 From: chriskl at familyhealth.com.au (Christopher Kings-Lynne) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:21:48 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing emails to mailman's database References: <88A6BA6D-86F7-11D7-8389-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> <3EC38E1A.28716.FC460E@localhost> Message-ID: <07fd01c31b49$87d06550$6500a8c0@fhp.internal> > Create a plain text file of the 15,000 email addresses (that's the key > word you left out... there's a difference between 15,000 emails and > 15,000 email addresses), with one address per line. Perhaps you can > create a report and send it to a file instead of to a printer. > > Then you can either cut and paste that file into the Mailman mass > subscription screen, or use the "specify a file to upload" option. Even better, just use bin/add_members script that comes with Mailman. Run with -h option for help. Chris From volcheck at acm.org Fri May 16 06:26:43 2003 From: volcheck at acm.org (Emil Volcheck) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 04:26:43 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb not updated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1053059198.1441.82.camel@rosie.arsmagna.com> Hello, when I discard (or otherwise process) messages that have been held for approval, there is no change when I click the submit button. When the page reloads, all the messages reappear as though I had done nothing. I suspected that somehow the held message files got write permissions screwed up, but I saw nothing unusual, and check_perms found no error. I deleted the held messages from the data directory, and that cleared up the backlog. Can anybody suggest what might be going wrong with the web interface? Thanks, --Emil Emil Volcheck volcheck at acm.org From mark at pdc-racing.net Fri May 16 06:30:59 2003 From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:30:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb not updated In-Reply-To: <1053059198.1441.82.camel@rosie.arsmagna.com> Message-ID: Emil Volcheck at volcheck at acm.org wrote: > when I discard (or otherwise process) messages that have been > held for approval, there is no change when I click the submit > button. When the page reloads, all the messages reappear as > though I had done nothing. I suspected that somehow the held > message files got write permissions screwed up, but I saw > nothing unusual, and check_perms found no error. I deleted > the held messages from the data directory, and that cleared > up the backlog. > > Can anybody suggest what might be going wrong with the web interface? Interesting. I've periodically had the opposite problem. Stuff will hit the admindb but not show up in the web interface. For example, someone will subscribe via the web to a mailing list that requires admin approval. The info will make it to the admindb (pending.pck) and be reflected in the subscribe log, but it will never show up in the admin web interface. Having seen it yet after the 2.1.2 upgrade, but then it's the kind of problem you can easily miss. - Mark -- mark at pdc-racing.net From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Fri May 16 09:44:52 2003 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:44:52 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.2 - Logging error messages during start and stop Message-ID: <1053071046.12428.42.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Hello, I run Mailman 2.1.2. I can create lists, subscribe / unsubscribe and send messages to my lists. Also everything else (which I have tested) seems to work fine. But in verbose mode I receive during the startup (mailmanctl start) and during a mailmanctl stop messages like the following: # clear __builtin__._ Logging error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/MultiLogger.py", line 43, in write logger.write(msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 73, in write Logger.write(self, "%s %s" % (prefix, msg)) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 88, in write msg = unicode(msg, self.__encoding) SystemError: codec module not properly initialized Original log message: # clear __builtin__._ Only the lines 43, 73 and 88 of MultiLogger.py are affected, nothing else. Augur this "Loggin errors" something bad? The loggin seems to work well anyway. I receive this messages only in verbose mode. There are no straying entries in /home/mailman/locks. I wondering, if I should bring this mailman installation into production? - oliver From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org Fri May 16 10:20:15 2003 From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:20:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Letters In-Reply-To: <001401c31b36$32311fd0$9f2cdd41@computer> References: <001401c31b36$32311fd0$9f2cdd41@computer> Message-ID: <20030516082015.GG4209@imhotep.yuckfou.org> On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 07:03:27PM -0400, mail at realwebhost.net () wrote: > > Using cpanel with mailman. We have some users that have large list. Some of which get hung up in the mail q. > When we view them in the mail q we email address's of the people on the list to the left of their address we see these letters. > > NN > NY > YN > YY Can you post an example ? Gr, Nils. From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk Fri May 16 10:20:16 2003 From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:20:16 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Letters In-Reply-To: <001401c31b36$32311fd0$9f2cdd41@computer> References: <001401c31b36$32311fd0$9f2cdd41@computer> Message-ID: <1053073209.8835.5.camel@angua.localnet> On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 00:03, mail at realwebhost.net wrote: > Using cpanel with mailman. We have some users that have large list. Some of which get hung up in the mail q. > When we view them in the mail q we email address's of the people on the list to the left of their address we see these letters. > > NN > NY > YN > YY > > What do they mean? If these are in the mail queue then this is not a Mailman question, but a question relating to your MTA. In this case it looks like you are using exim, and the information on the format of the spool files can be found at http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.20/doc/html/spec_48.html#CHAP48 The short answer is that the list of addresses you see is the list of addresses *not* to be delivered to (this may mean they have already been delivered to), and the Y/N encoding shows how they are arranged in the balanced binary tree data structure. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org Fri May 16 10:25:00 2003 From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:25:00 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix + MySQL + Mailman In-Reply-To: <200305151823.49972.flavio@gral.org.br> References: <200305151823.49972.flavio@gral.org.br> Message-ID: <20030516082500.GH4209@imhotep.yuckfou.org> On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 06:23:49PM -0300, Fl?vio Brito (FvB) wrote: FvB> Dear List FvB> FvB> Yesterday I migrate my mail server (to postix + mysql ). My Mailman lists FvB> stopped. How can I put postfix + mysql + mailman? FvB> FvB> I tried FvB> FvB> INSERT INTO aliases VALUES ('linuxrj', 'linuxrj at gral.org.br'); FvB> INSERT INTO aliases VALUES ('linuxrj-owner at gral.org.br', 'linuxrj-admin'); FvB> INSERT INTO aliases VALUES ('linuxrj-admin at gral.org.br', 'linuxrj-admin'); FvB> INSERT INTO aliases VALUES ('linuxrj at gral.org.br','"|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper FvB> post linuxrj"'); FvB> FvB> my list address is linuxrj at gral.org.br, but postfix answer me with: FvB> FvB> unknown USER FvB> FvB> How can I fix it? This is more a question for the postfix list, but OK, who's counting :) 1) list your mysql configfile in alias_maps. example: alias_maps = mysql:/usr/local/etc/postfix/aliases.mysql.cf 2) Put in the file mentioned above the following values: # # mysql config file for alias lookups on postfix # comments are ok. # # the user name and password to log into the mysql server user = someone password = some_password # the database name on the servers dbname = customer_database # the table name table = mxaliases # select_field = forw_addr where_field = alias # you may specify additional_conditions here additional_conditions = and status = 'paid' # the above variables will result in a query of # the form: # select forw_addr from mxaliases where alias = '$lookup' and status = 'paid' # ($lookup is escaped so if it contains single quotes or other odd # characters, it will not cause a parse error in the sql). # # the hosts that postfix will try to connect to # and query from (in the order listed) # specify unix: for unix-domain sockets, inet: for TCP connections (default) hosts = host1.some.domain host2.some.domain unix:/file/name # end mysql config file 3) Kick postfix: postfix reload 4) If problem persists, contact postfix-users at postfix.org with postconf output and logging of errors. From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Fri May 16 13:19:15 2003 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:19:15 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Autoresponder only once? Message-ID: <1053083926.12433.96.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Hello again, when I switch on the autoresponder, any sender address gets only one message from the autoresponder namely for the first post. So it is a "First-Post-Only-Autoresponder" :-) I was wondering whether this is some kind of magic? But then I did a find in files for the corresponding addresses and saw them spooking in "config.pck". So is it a bug or a feature? :-) - oliver -- Oliver Egginger Fachochschule Giessen-Friedberg From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Fri May 16 13:23:19 2003 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:23:19 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Autoresponder only once per address? Message-ID: <1053084181.14952.99.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Hello again, when I switch on the autoresponder, any sender address gets only one message from the autoresponder namely for the first post. So it is a "First-Post-Only-Autoresponder" :-) I was wondering whether this is some kind of magic? But then I did a find in files for the corresponding addresses and saw them spooking in "config.pck". So is it a bug or a feature? :-) - oliver From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org Fri May 16 13:44:43 2003 From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:44:43 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Autoresponder only once per address? In-Reply-To: <1053084181.14952.99.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> References: <1053084181.14952.99.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Message-ID: <20030516114443.GB443@imhotep.yuckfou.org> On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 01:23:01PM +0200, Oliver Egginger (OE) wrote: OE> Hello again, OE> OE> when I switch on the autoresponder, any sender address gets only OE> one message from the autoresponder namely for the first post. OE> So it is a "First-Post-Only-Autoresponder" OE> :-) OE> OE> I was wondering whether this is some kind of magic? OE> But then I did a find in files for the corresponding addresses OE> and saw them spooking in "config.pck". It's a feature, I'd guess ... to be more precise, this one: # Number of days between auto-responses to either the mailing list or # -request/-owner address from the same poster. Set to zero (or # negative) for no grace period (i.e. auto-respond to every message). autoresponse_graceperiod = 90 From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Fri May 16 14:03:47 2003 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:03:47 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Autoresponder only once per address? In-Reply-To: <20030516114443.GB443@imhotep.yuckfou.org> References: <1053084181.14952.99.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <20030516114443.GB443@imhotep.yuckfou.org> Message-ID: <1053086603.12433.111.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> # autoresponse_graceperiod = 90 I see! But if I change the response message? People don't will get the new message immediately. Excepting I set autoresponse_graceperiod to zero. But I think this isn't a big problem in practice. - oliver Am Fre, 2003-05-16 um 13.44 schrieb Nils Vogels: > On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 01:23:01PM +0200, Oliver Egginger (OE) wrote: > OE> Hello again, > OE> > OE> when I switch on the autoresponder, any sender address gets only > OE> one message from the autoresponder namely for the first post. > OE> So it is a "First-Post-Only-Autoresponder" > OE> :-) > OE> > OE> I was wondering whether this is some kind of magic? > OE> But then I did a find in files for the corresponding addresses > OE> and saw them spooking in "config.pck". > > It's a feature, I'd guess ... to be more precise, this one: > > # Number of days between auto-responses to either the mailing list or > # -request/-owner address from the same poster. Set to zero (or > # negative) for no grace period (i.e. auto-respond to every message). > autoresponse_graceperiod = 90 > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: oliver.egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/oliver.egginger%40dvz.fh-giessen.de From phil at nxtek.net Fri May 16 14:59:59 2003 From: phil at nxtek.net (Phil Iovino) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:59:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems - Will pay :) In-Reply-To: <20030516082500.GH4209@imhotep.yuckfou.org> Message-ID: <008f01c31bab$102cb9b0$8dac54d1@phil> I'm having some permissions problems on all of my hosted lists. They were all previously working. Rather than hack my way through it I'd rather just outsource it to someone that knows what they're doing. :) Please contact me via Email on a rate. It would also help if you have ICQ. First come first serve. :) Thanks. From rkpn at british-genealogy.com Fri May 16 16:31:53 2003 From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:31:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email address munging doesn't work Message-ID: It is becoming obvious that email address munging, as applied by Mailman is not being effective. Try this: Go to Google type in "holden.john at btconnect.com" in the search box. It returns: ENG-LAN-Manchester Info Page ... ENG-LAN-Manchester list run by holden.john at btconnect.com ENG-LAN-Manchester administrative interface (requires authorization). version 2.0.13, www.british-genealogy.com/mailman/ listinfo/eng-lan-manchester Note! An *un-munged* email address from what is really there, which is: ENG-LAN-Manchester list run by holden.john at btconnect.com ENG-LAN-Manchester administrative interface (requires authorization) Overview of all british-genealogy.com mailing lists and *even* though the embedded mailto link from "holden.john at btconnect.com" is to "mailto:eng-lan-manchester-owner at british-genealogy.com" If Google can do it... then spam trawlers can do it :-( Some serious suggestions are needed! Regards Rod -- Rod Neep British-Genealogy.com http://www.british-genealogy.com From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com Fri May 16 16:44:19 2003 From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:44:19 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newsgroup gateway question In-Reply-To: <1053071046.12428.42.camel@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Message-ID: <3EC4A4E3.17347.2F6C1F@localhost> I really don't like newsgroup software. I'd rather access newsgroups through my email client. So, when I realized that Mailman would let me gate a newsgroup to email, I set it up to gate several of my favorite newsgroups. And all was well. Until someone sent a spam to a newsgroup through my mailman server. And then some anti-spam zealots started beating me up. The words "open relay" were used, through that's not the case. So, I upgraded from 2.0.12 to 2.1.1. I looked at the security setup, and realized I still can't figure out how to nail down the mailing list. What I want to do is to allow people to subscribe to the mailing lists, to receive messages from the newsgroups and send messages to the newsgroups through the mailing list. I also want to be sure that anyone who is not a subscriber to the mailing list can not send messages to the newsgroup. However, when I nail down the mailing list so only subscribers can post to it, all the traffic from the newsgroup is stopped. I don't want to have to approve each message.. life is too short. So... can anyone suggest how I can get the setup I'm looking for? When I asked how I could do this when I first started running version 2.0.8 I was told, "don't worry about it, so what if the newsgroups can be spammed through your server - there's tens of thousands of ways to spam newsgroups, one more or less doesn't matter." It seems it matter now. Thanks, Mike From creative.computing at PTSEM.EDU Fri May 16 17:31:51 2003 From: creative.computing at PTSEM.EDU (Computing, Creative) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:31:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Receiving errors Message-ID: <0509DF30C7A3EE4C9502E3C6C19C29210273C8DB@coaster.ptsem.edu> Finally i've been able to figure out most of my problems with sendmail and actually got it sending and recieving mail fine. Now i keep having problems with the mails being returned. I am guessing the problem may be related to the current exchange server running, and i am going to have to create an MX entry for the other server, however i could be dead wrong. When i try to reply to or send an e-mail to the machine i get: The original message was received at Fri, 16 May 2003 11:28:07 -0400 from coaster.ptsem.edu [172.16.11.23] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request cctest" (reason: Service unavailable) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed) 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable Reporting-MTA: dns; list.ptsem.edu Received-From-MTA: DNS; coaster.ptsem.edu Arrival-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:28:07 -0400 Final-Recipient: RFC822; cctest-request at list.ptsem.edu X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request cctest Action: failed Status: 5.5.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 69 Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:28:07 -0400 Thanks for the help ahead of time :) everyone has been really nice so far and i'm glad to get all the help. Mike From Mark at Rauterkus.com Fri May 16 18:53:26 2003 From: Mark at Rauterkus.com (Mark Rauterkus) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:53:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a mass unsubscribe utility / widget / input form? Message-ID: <200305161600.h4GG0ZQY096817@rauterkus.com> > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 05:50:11PM -0500, Mark Rauterkus wrote: >> Just as there is a mass subscribe form in the web interface for MM, I'd like >> a mass UNSUBCRIBE. This (wish list) form could have a field to NUKE names >> from an existing list. > > Membership management screen. Uncheck the "subscribed" column. You > can remove as many members at a time as you like, within the > constraints of how many are shown on the screen. Understood. But that solution is much harder than a cut-and-paste. I'd love to gather a number of addresses in one field and then hit submit once. With multiple pages for a congregational sized list -- the unsubscribe column is a bit of a frustration. Ta. Mark Rauterkus mark at Rauterkus.com http://Rauterkus.com http://CLOH.Org http://Sunnyhill.org http://www.Deliberate.com From esper at sherohman.org Fri May 16 18:38:29 2003 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:38:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a mass unsubscribe utility / widget / input form? In-Reply-To: <200305161600.h4GG0ZQY096817@rauterkus.com> References: <200305161600.h4GG0ZQY096817@rauterkus.com> Message-ID: <20030516163829.GI19447@sherohman.org> On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 11:53:26AM -0500, Mark Rauterkus wrote: > > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 05:50:11PM -0500, Mark Rauterkus wrote: > >> Just as there is a mass subscribe form in the web interface for MM, I'd like > >> a mass UNSUBCRIBE. This (wish list) form could have a field to NUKE names > >> from an existing list. > > > > Membership management screen. Uncheck the "subscribed" column. You > > can remove as many members at a time as you like, within the > > constraints of how many are shown on the screen. > > Understood. > > But that solution is much harder than a cut-and-paste. I'd love to gather a > number of addresses in one field and then hit submit once. With multiple > pages for a congregational sized list -- the unsubscribe column is a bit of > a frustration. Misunderstood. In that case, I guess you're right about it not being there. -- The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) From dave at umiacs.umd.edu Fri May 16 18:43:46 2003 From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a mass unsubscribe utility / widget / input form? In-Reply-To: <200305161600.h4GG0ZQY096817@rauterkus.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 May 2003, Mark Rauterkus wrote: > > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 05:50:11PM -0500, Mark Rauterkus wrote: > >> Just as there is a mass subscribe form in the web interface for MM, I'd like > >> a mass UNSUBCRIBE. This (wish list) form could have a field to NUKE names > >> from an existing list. > > > > Membership management screen. Uncheck the "subscribed" column. You > > can remove as many members at a time as you like, within the > > constraints of how many are shown on the screen. > > Understood. > > But that solution is much harder than a cut-and-paste. I'd love to gather a > number of addresses in one field and then hit submit once. With multiple > pages for a congregational sized list -- the unsubscribe column is a bit of > a frustration. Make a script: run $MAILMAN/bin/list_members LISTNAME >/tmp/unsub edit /tmp/unsub leaving users you wanna remove And feed that into $MAILMAN/bin/remove_members -f /tmp/unsub LISTNAME =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David Stern University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies From bhilburn at frontier.net Fri May 16 18:51:47 2003 From: bhilburn at frontier.net (Bill Hilburn) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:51:47 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a mass unsubscribe utility / widget / input form? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1053103907.3ec517230a0b3@webmail.frontier.net> MM 2.1 has a Mass Removal right under Mass Subscription... Quoting Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist : > On Fri, 16 May 2003, Mark Rauterkus wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 05:50:11PM -0500, Mark Rauterkus wrote: > > >> Just as there is a mass subscribe form in the web interface for MM, I'd > like > > >> a mass UNSUBCRIBE. This (wish list) form could have a field to NUKE > names > > >> from an existing list. > > > > > > Membership management screen. Uncheck the "subscribed" column. You > > > can remove as many members at a time as you like, within the > > > constraints of how many are shown on the screen. > > > > Understood. > > > > But that solution is much harder than a cut-and-paste. I'd love to gather > a > > number of addresses in one field and then hit submit once. With multiple > > pages for a congregational sized list -- the unsubscribe column is a bit > of > > a frustration. > > Make a script: > > run $MAILMAN/bin/list_members LISTNAME >/tmp/unsub > edit /tmp/unsub leaving users you wanna remove > > And feed that into $MAILMAN/bin/remove_members -f /tmp/unsub LISTNAME > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > David Stern University of > Maryland > Institute for Advanced Computer Studies > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bhilburn at frontier.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bhilburn%40frontier.net > Bill Hilburn NOC Frontier Internet ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through frontier.net webmail service! From nate at plsweb.com Fri May 16 20:29:27 2003 From: nate at plsweb.com (nate at plsweb.com) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 14:29:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Receiving errors In-Reply-To: <0509DF30C7A3EE4C9502E3C6C19C29210273C8DB@coaster.ptsem.edu> References: <0509DF30C7A3EE4C9502E3C6C19C29210273C8DB@coaster.ptsem.edu> Message-ID: <20030516142927.A9439@plsweb.com> > smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed) Mike, Actually, it sounds like you're still having some trouble with Sendmail and the smrsh wrapper program. From the README.SENDMAIL file: SENDMAIL `smrsh' COMPATIBILITY Many newer versions of Sendmail come with a restricted execution utility called "smrsh", which limits the executables that Sendmail will allow to be used as mail filter programs. You need to explicitly allow Mailman's wrapper program to be used with smrsh before it will work. If mail is not getting delivered to Mailman's wrapper program and you're getting an "operating system error" in your mail syslog, this could be your problem. One good way of doing this is to: - cd into /etc/smrsh (or where ever it happens to reside on your system, such as /var/smrsh or /usr/local/smrsh). - create a symbolic link to Mailman's wrapper program For example, if you've installed Mailman in the standard location, you can just execute these commands (you might have to do these as root): % cd /etc/smrsh % ln -s /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman mailman Cheers, n. -- Nate Perry-Thistle From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri May 16 18:52:43 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:52:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a mass unsubscribe utility / widget / input form? In-Reply-To: <200305152157.h4FLvJbi078601@rauterkus.com> References: <200305152157.h4FLvJbi078601@rauterkus.com> Message-ID: <20030516165243.GT32053@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mark Rauterkus wrote: > Just as there is a mass subscribe form in the web interface for MM, I'd like > a mass UNSUBCRIBE. This (wish list) form could have a field to NUKE names > from an existing list. There is a Mass Removals section in 2.1, does that do what you want? In 2.0, you can use the remove_members script to do the same thing from the command line. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ God loves stupid people. That's why he made so many. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+xRdbuv+09NZUB1oRAqiyAJ9n9Be6lqjGPWxa0iMU/0LZ7f/1ywCeNi+a dc6r7NYNTlRU7gyupE6HU7k= =QG0p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tgrant at lunavista.com Wed May 14 22:35:23 2003 From: tgrant at lunavista.com (Tim Grant) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:35:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] trouble with mailman Message-ID: I am sooo confused. I have a list of recipients that I want to allow them to send and receive messages, and follow up with responses. We have added two users, and we have sent test messages, but none of them have arrived! Can you help? Warmest regards, Timothy C Grant Lunavista Communications Corp 773.645.1731 tgrant at lunavista.com www.lunavista.com From skoehler at upb.de Wed May 14 23:31:00 2003 From: skoehler at upb.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sven_K=F6hler?=) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:31:00 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] encrypted passwords/German "Datenschutzgesetz" Message-ID: <3EC2B594.9050305@upb.de> Hi, in Germany there is a Law that forced any application to store the passwords encrypted. In all Mailman-Version i know, there is the possibility to get my own password mailed to me. That means that this is not the case at the moment. This makes it unusable for German custumers that respect that law. I suggest using a one-way encryption like CryptMD5 or such like most systems do already. Thx Sven From roy_santos at yahoo.com Thu May 15 06:43:52 2003 From: roy_santos at yahoo.com (Roy Santos) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman working with Postfix, but not with Sendmail Message-ID: <20030515044352.96612.qmail@web40806.mail.yahoo.com> After I finally got Mailman working perfectly with Postfix, the boss was interested in using Sendmail as he is more comfortable with Sendmail and apparently doesn't want to learn new tricks. Now from the original readme files I gathered that Postfix was the preferred program as it created automatic aliases while Sendmail required user intervention. I found the thread http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg14542.html which uses the Python implementation. This is pretty much the issue I have. I visited the site, downloaded the patch #644810, read the readme.mailer file, and installed it. Unfortunately, I'm still not working correctly with Sendmail. One thing I'm that was a bit confusing was the patch file. It apparently had the readme, new mailman.mc and patch all contained. I had trouble following how to extract the proto.m4.patch. I've been away from open software for a while. I couldn't follow what the + and - was trying to tell me. I could use a little more info regarding that. So Mailman list creation either manually or via http works fine. Archiving mail via Pipermail works as well. But when I send email to the newly created lists, mail goes into a blackhole which tells me that it's not getting to the mm-handler script. No errors in the maillog. I would appreciate some pointers. I am running Redhat 8.0, the host is not the email domain, and Sendmail version 8.12.8.5-80. Reply if you need more information. Thanks in advance, Roy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From toby at clairmont.org Thu May 15 09:38:07 2003 From: toby at clairmont.org (Toby L. Clairmont, RN, CEM) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:38:07 -1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export member list... Message-ID: <009301c31ab4$edc2ade0$6601a8c0@clairmont006> Is there a way to export my membership list to another Mailman list? Tob ______________________________________________ TOBY L. CLAIRMONT, RN, CEM Emergency Program Manager Healthcare Association of Hawaii 24-hr emergency: (808) 216-3531 facsimile: (808) 625-3683 voice: (808) 864-7723 This electronic message is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you are cautioned that use of its contents in any way is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone and destroy the original message and all copies. From gary at chez-thomas.org Thu May 15 17:51:01 2003 From: gary at chez-thomas.org (Gary Thomas) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:51:01 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership lists Message-ID: <1053013827.1568.895.camel@hermes> I just upgraded (via Red Hat 9) to version 2.1 I like a lot of the changes, but gone are the days when I (as list administrator) can peruse the entire membership list in one fell swoop. Is there any way to get at this? Using the subsets (by starting letter) is OK, but sometimes I'd like to see the whole thing. Also, is there any way to export the list? I know that I can import a new one. Thanks. -- Gary Thomas From Elena at Maroufi.de Thu May 15 20:16:42 2003 From: Elena at Maroufi.de (Elena Maroufi-Afscharian) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:16:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send-to address out of order Message-ID: Hi! I'm new here - don't know about the do's-'n-don'ts on this list, but as my problem is urgent, I can't just wait and watch to learn about this specific list's netiquette, so please excuse if I fail in one aspect or other. I successfully run a private eMail-list with mailman version 2.1.1 for quite a while now. Without any tangible reason, no mail goes through our "send to" address since last night. I received private complains from list-members about them being unable to post to the list, so I tried myself - none of the mails sent to our list address comes through. Yesterday, things were ok still, this morning, when I tried to reply to a mail, the failure was in effect already. Mailman was pre-installed by my web-hoster, I don't have any influence in their settings. Any idea what's wrong here? Thanks for your support, Elena From roy_santos at yahoo.com Thu May 15 19:35:53 2003 From: roy_santos at yahoo.com (Roy Santos) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a web equivalent to "find_member -w name -l"? Message-ID: <20030515173553.34071.qmail@web40806.mail.yahoo.com> We would like to allow users to view who the owners are and who is on the lists. We are using Mailman as an internal list server. Thanks, Roy ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From Fran.Lawas-Grodek at nasa.gov Fri May 16 05:11:39 2003 From: Fran.Lawas-Grodek at nasa.gov (Fran Lawas-Grodek) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 23:11:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive link only gives /pipermail/ Message-ID: <20030515231139.A27581@jamaica.grc.nasa.gov> Hello, I am also experiencing the same problem that Chris reported on May 6, 2003: "I've upgraded my old 2.0.13 list to 2.1.1 from Debin/testing. All is working fine except that the link to the archives is just "/pipermail/". Shouldn't this be "/pipermail/list/"? " In my case, I've just upgraded from 2.0.8 to 2.1.2. It appears that

in the listinfo template is not resolving the list name on the line where the http link is defined -- it resolves to just "/pipermail/". I have too many lists to go ahead and hard-code each General list info page -- something is not quite right. Any thoughts? I'd greatly appreciate it. Please be sure to email directly -- I am not a current subscriber to the list. Thanks in advance, Fran Lawas-Grodek Cleveland, OH USA Fran.Lawas-Grodek at nasa.gov From jwgrafflin at ev1.net Fri May 16 08:19:13 2003 From: jwgrafflin at ev1.net (John Grafflin) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 01:19:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unpacking Mailman Message-ID: <0f8c01c31b73$12bef7c0$86dc28d8@jwgmg> I've downloaded mailman-2.1.2.tgz. Now what? I don't understand the unpacking instructions at www.gnu.org which says unpack it with the following commands: % cd /usr/local/src % tar zxf mailman.tar.gz From dhphllps at memphis.edu Fri May 16 20:16:24 2003 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:16:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a web equivalent to "find_member -w name -l"? In-Reply-To: <20030515173553.34071.qmail@web40806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8099F4D5-87CA-11D7-B87C-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> On Thursday, May 15, 2003, at 12:35 PM, Roy Santos wrote: > We would like to allow users to view who the owners > are and who is on the lists. We are using Mailman as > an internal list server. > > Thanks, > > Roy > > ===== > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: dhphllps at memphis.edu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > dhphllps%40memphis.edu > From mark at pdc-racing.net Fri May 16 20:19:04 2003 From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:19:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership lists In-Reply-To: <1053013827.1568.895.camel@hermes> Message-ID: Gary Thomas at gary at chez-thomas.org wrote: > I just upgraded (via Red Hat 9) to version 2.1 > > I like a lot of the changes, but gone are the days when I > (as list administrator) can peruse the entire membership > list in one fell swoop. Is there any way to get at this? > Using the subsets (by starting letter) is OK, but sometimes > I'd like to see the whole thing. Also, is there any way > to export the list? I know that I can import a new one. ~mailman/bin/list_members will do what you want in both cases. I don't know of a way to peruse the entire subscriber's list from the web, though. - Mark -- mark at pdc-racing.net From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri May 16 20:26:02 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 14:26:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] encrypted passwords/German "Datenschutzgesetz" In-Reply-To: <3EC2B594.9050305@upb.de> References: <3EC2B594.9050305@upb.de> Message-ID: <20030516182602.GV32053@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sven K?hler wrote: > in Germany there is a Law that forced any application to store the > passwords encrypted. In all Mailman-Version i know, there is the > possibility to get my own password mailed to me. That means that this is > not the case at the moment. If you encrypt the passwords with any meaningful encryption, then you can't mail out password reminders. If, as another option, you use some trivial to reverse "encryption" then what's the point? > This makes it unusable for German custumers that respect that law. So german users should point out to their government that their law is ridiculous and that legislators should stay out of software development. They know about as much about this area as US legislators (or any other group of bureaucratic boobs, for that matter). Governments, more so than any other entity, need to be told "NO!" regularly and forcefully. Otherwise they'll insert themselves deeper and deeper into every aspect of our existence. Sorry for the political rant... I just get irritated when busy body bureaucrats want to dictate things to the rest of us when they have no clue. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ The most useful piece of learning for the uses of life is to unlearn what is untrue. -- Antisthenes -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+xS06uv+09NZUB1oRAmuzAJ9+RRk0s1bQLRhzPZ4wjEfrkqG75QCfbwIu hOs+ii/86XGCEpZqKBPAAQs= =iyWP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com Fri May 16 20:37:00 2003 From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:37:00 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] trouble with mailman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3EC4DB6C.8004.AD1D22@localhost> On 14 May 2003 at 15:35, Tim Grant wrote: > I am sooo confused. I have a list of recipients that I want to allow > them to send and receive messages, and follow up with responses. > > We have added two users, and we have sent test messages, but none of > them have arrived! You might let us know what platform you are trying to run Mailman upon, which version you installed, what your mail transport agent is (i.e.Sendmail, Exim, Postfix, Qmail, etc), and if you've read and followed the instructions in the INSTALL file.... and if there were parts of the INSTALL file's instructions that didn't seem to work right, or that you didn't understand. Mike -- Mike Avery MAvery at mail.otherwhen.com ICQ: 16241692 AOL IM:MAvery81230 Phone: 970-642-0280 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike... From mark at pdc-racing.net Fri May 16 22:37:07 2003 From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:37:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] encrypted passwords/German "Datenschutzgesetz" In-Reply-To: <20030516182602.GV32053@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: Todd at Freedom_Lover at pobox.com wrote: > Sven K?hler wrote: >> This makes it unusable for German custumers that respect that law. > > So german users should point out to their government that their law is > ridiculous and that legislators should stay out of software development. > They know about as much about this area as US legislators (or any other > group of bureaucratic boobs, for that matter). Yeah, that's great and noble and all, but Sven presumably has a business to run during the years that it'll take the German legislature to un-confuse themselves. Got any useful advice for him on that topic? - Mark -- mark at pdc-racing.net From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri May 16 23:06:25 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:06:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] encrypted passwords/German "Datenschutzgesetz" In-Reply-To: References: <20030516182602.GV32053@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20030516210625.GW32053@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mark Dadgar wrote: > Todd at Freedom_Lover at pobox.com wrote: >> So german users should point out to their government that their law is >> ridiculous and that legislators should stay out of software development. >> They know about as much about this area as US legislators (or any other >> group of bureaucratic boobs, for that matter). > > Yeah, that's great and noble and all, but Sven presumably has a business to > run during the years that it'll take the German legislature to un-confuse > themselves. > > Got any useful advice for him on that topic? The archives have more than a few threads about the whole password issue. I would think one thing someone who wanted to follow this idiotic regulation could do is hack mailman to not use any passwords. Encrypting the passwords makes the whole system much more complicated than it needs to be and would be a large waste of effort, IMHO. But as far as I am concerned, it is *useful* advice to tell someone that they should fight dumb laws like this one in whatever way they can (hosting a site outside of German jurisdiction, challenge the law in court and try to get an injunction against its enforcement in the interim, or some other method of resisting). It needs to be challenged, the sooner the better. Putting up with dumb bureaucrats inserting themselves in places they don't belong isn't something I consider useful. If everyone always takes the tact that "I'll follow this dumb law until someone else challenges/changes it" we'll be stuck with this crap for a lot longer than we need to be. (And I don't mean to imply that this is the tact that you or Sven are taking or suggesting. :) Of course, I'll admit that I have much less tolerance for petty tyrants than most other people seem to have. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ The less a statesman amounts to, the more he loves the flag. -- Kin Hubbard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+xVLRuv+09NZUB1oRAveWAJ9VMkGP3Ojpn1DuwxChfO2T0HuOYgCffEYG ftgT+ano/H9ZymNIt1Wo3Lo= =vKJC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From adaml at jbase.com Fri May 16 23:33:43 2003 From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:33:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] any recomendations? Message-ID: I have two questions for the group. 1) Any recomendations for a good web based search tool for the archives. I know there are a few out there, but are any better in anyones opinion? 2) when importing my archives from an mbox I get all the headers for all the messages as well as any html encoded messages show up with raw html all over them instead of a coherent message. I am importing the messages from an exchange server via POP and or IMAP to set up the mbox file and then importing the mbox. Thanks, Adam From GRubin at ccianet.org Fri May 16 23:28:27 2003 From: GRubin at ccianet.org (Gabe N. Rubin) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:28:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] stipping off html Message-ID: Is there a way, with the latest mailman, to have it auto-strip out html? I read the faqs and it discussed using procmail for older versions but said that it was pretty much integrated in the latest. How do I do this? I know nothing about procmail and would prefer not to have to learn. Thanks, Gabe From rkpn at british-genealogy.com Fri May 16 23:57:00 2003 From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 22:57:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] stipping off html In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In message , Gabe N. Rubin writes >Is there a way, with the latest mailman, to have it auto-strip out html? I >read the faqs and it discussed using procmail for older versions but said >that it was pretty much integrated in the latest. How do I do this? I >know nothing about procmail and would prefer not to have to learn. > >Thanks, >Gabe Absolutely.... And simplicity itself. (Mailman 2.2.1) Go to "Content Filtering" 1. Set the option: Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the settings below? To YES 2. In the next section: Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type. Leave this field blank to skip this filter test. Add the following lines: multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain 3. and the section: Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion happens after MIME attachments have been stripped. Set to YES (That last one is dependent upon #1 being set to YES.) That's it. No more HTML posts.... they all get converted to plain text, and as a bonus, so do the archives. Regards Rod -- Rod Neep From dlwhitehurst at comcast.net Sat May 17 02:19:09 2003 From: dlwhitehurst at comcast.net (David Whitehurst) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:19:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cant Get Confirmation ... Message-ID: <005101c31c09$ef698820$6601a8c0@davidlt> Hi: Does anyone know why I wouldn't get a reply on the confirm. Everyone gets the mail with the invitation and the request to confirm. The website works to send the mail out, but not back in. Thanks for any help, David David L. Whitehurst aka. PiratePete dlwhitehurst at comcast.net From Mark at Rauterkus.com Sat May 17 03:35:23 2003 From: Mark at Rauterkus.com (Mark Rauterkus) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:35:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a mass unsubscribe utility / widget / input form? Message-ID: <200305170042.h4H0gWKn086613@rauterkus.com> > Mark Rauterkus wrote: >> Just as there is a mass subscribe form in the web interface for MM, I'd like >> a mass UNSUBCRIBE. This (wish list) form could have a field to NUKE names >> from an existing list. > > There is a Mass Removals section in 2.1, does that do what you want? In > 2.0, you can use the remove_members script to do the same thing from the > command line. Blush. Thanks. Yes, that is what I'm looking for. I'm stuck at an older version and will not have ample motivation for upgrade. Ta. Mark Rauterkus mark at Rauterkus.com http://Rauterkus.com http://CLOH.Org http://Sunnyhill.org http://www.Deliberate.com From wheakory at isu.edu Sat May 17 06:12:26 2003 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 22:12:26 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] PROBLEM with Administrative Requests Message-ID: <3EC5B6AA.60708@isu.edu> I've sent this email twice and no one has responded to this problem, I would really appreciate a response. I receive this below error when I go into the Administrative Interface and check "Preserve messsages for the site administrator" and then I check the discard option. Once I click submit this is what I receive below. BUG in Mailman version 2.1.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 163, in main process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 681, in process_form forward, forwardaddr) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 184, in HandleRequest forward, addr) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 262, in __handlepost msg = cPickle.load(fp) ValueError: could not convert string to float Kory Wheatley From wheakory at isu.edu Sat May 17 06:34:06 2003 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 22:34:06 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SLOW Mailmans delivery Message-ID: <3EC5BBBE.3070107@isu.edu> Is there a way to slow down the delivery of Mailman to the subscribers of all my Mailing lists? We have one list that has 16,000 subscribers to one domain, all these accounts are on our mail server. Every time a message is sent out from this list, it really causes the load on our mail server to be high. Currently our Mail server is on a powerful 3 processor HPUX 11 NClass server with 2GB of RAM. Mailman 2.1.1 is on a Red Hat 8 Pentium 600mhz, using Postfix as the MTA. I have Postfix setup to do slow delivery to this domain (isu.edu), but that doesn't seem to help. I also lowered the SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = to 3, thinking that might help. Postfix is setup as: In Main.cf transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport slow_destination_concurrency_limit = 1 In Master.cf slow unix - - y - - smtp In Transport isu.edu slow: Any Suggestions like causing the smtp process to pause after sending out a boat load of messages and then resume again. Kory Wheatley From mark at pdc-racing.net Sat May 17 06:39:07 2003 From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 21:39:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SLOW Mailmans delivery In-Reply-To: <3EC5BBBE.3070107@isu.edu> Message-ID: Kory Wheatley at wheakory at isu.edu wrote: > Is there a way to slow down the delivery of Mailman to the subscribers > of all my Mailing lists? We have one list that has 16,000 subscribers to > one domain, all these accounts are on our mail server. Every time a > message is sent out from this list, it really causes the load on our > mail server to be high. Currently our Mail server is on a powerful 3 > processor HPUX 11 NClass server with 2GB of RAM. Mailman 2.1.1 is on a > Red Hat 8 Pentium 600mhz, using Postfix as the MTA. > > I have Postfix setup to do slow delivery to this domain (isu.edu), but > that doesn't seem to help. I also lowered the SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = to 3, > thinking that might help. You want to go the other way with SMTP_MAX_RCPTS. Set it to something really high. If you set it to 3, it means that your mail server will spawn a delivery process for every batch of 3 recipients. On a 16K user mailing list, that's over 5300 processes for one email! I'd set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 1000 or so and see how that goes. You can also set it to 0, which means all 16K addresses will be sent in one batch, but delivery will take FOREVER for each message to get to every recipient. Anyway, tune from there. - Mark -- mark at pdc-racing.net From paco at pty.ods.org Sat May 17 07:57:50 2003 From: paco at pty.ods.org (Paco) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 00:57:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail html links problems Message-ID: <20030517055750.GA14010@pty.cwpanama.net> Hello list I'm using mailman 2.1.1 and everything works fine, but the html pages for the public archive dosen't have absolutes URL for Thread, Subject, Author, Date, Text Gzip and download full raw archive... The problem is that I'm importing that html into a php page, and I need the full url for all the links, right now I'm getting http://mysite.com/2003-May/subject.html insted of http://mysite.com/pipermail/list/2003-May/subject.html the links in my public archive html are like 2003-May/subject.html, 2003-May/thread.html and so on, is there any way to change that, so http://mysite.com/pipermail/list generates the html with the full urls of each link?? or can you tell me where in the code can I change it?, I tried to search the mailman code for it, but got lost :( Any ideas or work arounds will be appreciated... Thanx --Paco From rkpn at british-genealogy.com Sat May 17 11:48:10 2003 From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 10:48:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] PROBLEM with Administrative Requests In-Reply-To: <3EC5B6AA.60708@isu.edu> References: <3EC5B6AA.60708@isu.edu> Message-ID: In message <3EC5B6AA.60708 at isu.edu>, Kory Wheatley writes >I've sent this email twice and no one has responded to this problem, I >would really appreciate a response. > >I receive this below error when I go into the Administrative Interface and >check "Preserve messsages for the site administrator" and then I check the >discard option. Once I click submit this is what I receive below. > It is because you are telling it to do two conflicting things. 1. keep it 2. discard it select only one of them. Most of us would have problems in obeying both those commands ;-) Regards Rod -- Rod Neep Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com From gaurav.p at directi.com Sat May 17 15:18:53 2003 From: gaurav.p at directi.com (Gaurav Pathak) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 18:48:53 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting posting privileges Message-ID: <002801c31c76$dd1ba140$2800a8c0@internal.directi.com> Hi I am trying to set posting privileges for one of the lists that I have created in mailman. I want the following: 1) The members of the lists are allowed to post to the list without approval. 2) All the users having the domain as mycompany.com in their email address should be able to post without approval. 3) Rest should go to moderator for apporoval. I go to Privacy Options and do the following: Set "Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only)" to Yes. The problem is that I have to add all the non subscribers who are allowed to post without approval individually. I cannot add something like .*@mycompany.com. Is there any method by which I can grant all email address of particualar domain the ability to send mail without approval of moderator. Thanks in Advance Gaurav From Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se Sat May 17 17:38:34 2003 From: Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se (Martin Skjoldebrand) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 17:38:34 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting posting privileges In-Reply-To: <002801c31c76$dd1ba140$2800a8c0@internal.directi.com> References: <002801c31c76$dd1ba140$2800a8c0@internal.directi.com> Message-ID: "Gaurav Pathak" writes: >The problem is that I have to add all the non subscribers >who are >allowed to post without approval individually. I cannot >add something >like .*@mycompany.com. >Is there any method by which I can grant all email address >of >particualar domain the ability to send mail without >approval of >moderator. I've been thinking somewhat the same thing. Do your *@mycompany.com people need to be identifieable individually be email address? If not, you could perhaps setup a group on your mail server and subscribe the group to the list. Hopefully there is a more ellegant solution. mvh/ Regards, Martin S. CTO, Forum Syd OBS: Supportfr?gor ska skickas till: support at forumsyd.se (or "support") "Not only could we know everything, we do. We just tell ourselves we don't to make it all bearable." From Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se Sat May 17 17:50:13 2003 From: Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se (Martin Skjoldebrand) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 17:50:13 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting posting privileges In-Reply-To: References: <002801c31c76$dd1ba140$2800a8c0@internal.directi.com> <,> Message-ID: "Martin Skjoldebrand" writes: >If not, you could perhaps setup a group on your mail server >and subscribe the group to the list. To clearify: Our main server is a First Class 7.1 server. One neat thing is that I can create a conference on the server (say BA) and give everyone on the FC server (or limited to taste) post access to the BA conference. Conferences are automatically given email addresses in FC so I can subscribe BA at mycompany.com to a Mailman list. Setting up rules the relays messages from the BA conference to the Mailman list I manage I can give people mail access without personally being on the list. That is also a way that I backup my lists. By sub'ing BA I get all messages copied to another server as backup. mvh/ Regards, Martin S. CTO, Forum Syd OBS: Supportfr?gor ska skickas till: support at forumsyd.se (or "support") "Not only could we know everything, we do. We just tell ourselves we don't to make it all bearable." From svp011467 at yahoo.com Sat May 17 18:32:27 2003 From: svp011467 at yahoo.com (SP) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I moderate individual posts? Message-ID: <20030517163227.47085.qmail@web41302.mail.yahoo.com> I see the setting under posting filters... but is there documentation on how it works? I looked it up on the docs and I didn't see anything on the topic. Thanks for your help. Sanjay __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From dlwhitehurst at comcast.net Sat May 17 18:59:04 2003 From: dlwhitehurst at comcast.net (David Whitehurst) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 12:59:04 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with list-request address ... Message-ID: <009401c31c95$9f73b110$6601a8c0@davidlt> Does anyone know why my server rejects or doesn't know who mylist-request at mydomain.com is? Do I have to add an /etc/aliases entry? And, how would that line look? Thanks, David David L. Whitehurst aka. PiratePete dlwhitehurst at comcast.net From Tom at ESEstudios.com Sat May 17 19:25:04 2003 From: Tom at ESEstudios.com (Tom Eagle) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 12:25:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need a Little Help Message-ID: <005c01c31c99$453e7140$6401a8c0@ESEstudios.com> Need a Little Help. /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman has user=root, group=mailman and mod=-rwxr-sr-w I am using a BSD4.6 Thanks, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" To: Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: Postmaster notify: see transcript for details > The original message was received at Sat, 17 May 2003 11:30:07 -0500 (CDT) > from localhost > with id h4HGU7TZ053774 > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman" > (reason: 2) > (expanded from: ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail > wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but > the system's mail server executed the mail script as > group "mailnull". Try tweaking the mail server to run the > script as group "mailman", or re-run configure, > providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mailnull'. > 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 > From dlwhitehurst at comcast.net Sat May 17 22:09:05 2003 From: dlwhitehurst at comcast.net (David Whitehurst) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 16:09:05 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases ... Message-ID: <019301c31cb0$2acff740$6601a8c0@davidlt> I have been slowly getting my confirms to get accepted, first not recognized, now service not available. Where did the instructions come from to add the following or similar to my /etc/aliases: peteslist-request: |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd peteslist I still get service unavailable? Any ideas? And, why is no one answering this list today? Thanks I guess, David David L. Whitehurst aka. PiratePete dlwhitehurst at comcast.net From kd5de at nwla.com Sat May 17 22:17:31 2003 From: kd5de at nwla.com (Mel Sojka) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 15:17:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases ... References: <019301c31cb0$2acff740$6601a8c0@davidlt> Message-ID: <3EC698DB.EA02FAD0@nwla.com> The aliases setup was the last thing that you saw when you created the list. There show have been 4 aliases shown. One for the list itself, one for admin, one for request, and one for owner. Mel -- System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com Linux User #25446 Linux 2.4.7 From Tom at ESEstudios.com Sun May 18 00:57:18 2003 From: Tom at ESEstudios.com (Tom Eagle) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 17:57:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BSD GID Problems Message-ID: <00f801c31cc7$aec4ab60$6401a8c0@ESEstudios.com> Call someone make suggestion for correcting my BSD4.6 GID Problems. I don't want to break something while trying to fix mailman. I would be happy to call to discuss the problems. Thanks, Tom Eagle From listmod at camarilla.white-wolf.com Sun May 18 06:29:54 2003 From: listmod at camarilla.white-wolf.com (Dan Wright US2002021042) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 04:29:54 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with list-request address ... In-Reply-To: <009401c31c95$9f73b110$6601a8c0@davidlt> References: <009401c31c95$9f73b110$6601a8c0@davidlt> Message-ID: <1053232149.23436.283.camel@localhost.localdomain> Yes. Should look like mylist-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request mylist" Make sure to use the newaliases command as root or su On Sat, 2003-05-17 at 12:59, David Whitehurst wrote: > Does anyone know why my server rejects or doesn't know who > mylist-request at mydomain.com is? Do I have to add an /etc/aliases entry? > And, how would that line look? > > Thanks, > > David > > David L. Whitehurst > aka. PiratePete > dlwhitehurst at comcast.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: listmod at camarilla.white-wolf.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/listmod%40camarilla.white-wolf.com -- --(Dan Wright)- -- ---- ----------------- --- -- - - -- ANTA: List and Forum Moderation -- AIM: rulesninja -- Email: listmod at camarilla.white-wolf.com -- Web: http://www.elysiumgrounds.com/~listmodmod -- Lists: http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/mailman/listinfo -- Mailman FAQ: http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/lists/ --(US2002021042)-- ---- ------------------------------- --- -- - - From thomas at elements.dk Sun May 18 19:56:21 2003 From: thomas at elements.dk (Thomas von Hassel) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 19:56:21 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting rid of "Message has a suspicious header" errors Message-ID: <089E7DD6-895A-11D7-9903-003065B0995C@elements.dk> We run all our incomming mail though both Spamassassin and Sanitizer. Both of them place xtra headers into the mails, and mailman doesnt like them and holds them all with a "Message has a suspicious header" error. Is there a way to stop mailman from barfing over these xtra headers ? /thomas -- Thomas von Hassel From jposel at zedat.fu-berlin.de Sun May 18 21:19:42 2003 From: jposel at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Johannes Posel) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:19:42 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] encrypted passwords/German "Datenschutzgesetz" In-Reply-To: <3EC2B594.9050305@upb.de> References: <3EC2B594.9050305@upb.de> Message-ID: <51116073494.20030518211942@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Dear Sven, On 23:31 14.05.2003, you [Sven K?hler (skoehler at upb.de)] wrote... > in Germany there is a Law that forced any application to store the > passwords encrypted. In all Mailman-Version i know, there is the Which ??? > This makes it unusable for German custumers that respect that law. No, it doesn't. The law wants that the business takes care about the data. Use a secure server, perhaps only running Mailman, to which no unauthorized person has access, and you're fine. Cheers, Johannes mailto:jposel at zedat.fu-berlin.de -- A conclusion is simply the place where someone got tired of thinking. From srb at umich.edu Sun May 18 21:32:28 2003 From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 15:32:28 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases ... In-Reply-To: <019301c31cb0$2acff740$6601a8c0@davidlt> References: <019301c31cb0$2acff740$6601a8c0@davidlt> Message-ID: <2147483647.1053271948@adsl-245-67.ns.itd.umich.edu> --On Saturday, May 17, 2003 4:09 PM -0400 David Whitehurst wrote: > I still get service unavailable? Any ideas? > > And, why is no one answering this list today? To which I reply: Let me get this straight. You post a question to the list around 1pm on a Saturday, and three hours later you're complaining that no one has answered your question? And it's a question whose answer would be pretty obvious to anyone who actually knows something about how mail works? Let me suggest a couple of things: 1) Learn something more about how mail works before trying to install and run mailing list software. 2) Read all the documentation that came with the Mailman distribution. 3) Read the archives of the mailing list. 4) See the Mailman FAQ at . 5) When asking questions on a free, volunteer's list, don't assume that people will spend all their time reading the list, waiting eagerly for the chance to answer your questions. 6) Once you've done 1-4, and still not found an answer, when you do post a question to the list, give details about the environment in which you're working. Server hardware, OS, which MTA (and which version), even which version of Mailman you're working with. All of that info will let the helpful folks on this list help you solve your problem. If you've been trying to install from RPMs, save yourself the trouble and install from source. My reading of this list suggests that the RPMs are almost always more trouble than they're worth. Above all, remember that the people on this list who try to help you are doing so out of the goodness of their hearts. They don't get paid for it. They don't even get much recognition. And (unlike me) they're mostly too polite to send out a note like this. As someone who mostly lurks on this list, your mail just got on my very last nerve. So don't take it (too) personally -- it could have been anyone who got to me today. -- Steve ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burling University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 From chris12 at rawfire.torche.com Sun May 18 22:43:13 2003 From: chris12 at rawfire.torche.com (Chris 12) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] arg.. spam... Message-ID: <20030518134130.J11288@rawfire.torche.com> OK.. 2.1.2 verision.. I have a list that currently has over 550 spam's waiting to be destroyed.... Anyone know of a simple way to just "delete all" and "ban all" in one shot? Right now it looks like 3 clicks per spam.. This list I have gets like 50 a day.. its nuts.. I wish they would just be "auto destroyed and banned" So I wouldnt have to even look at it daily.. I was gone a week, and this is what happens.. 550 spams.. Thanks.. C. From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Sun May 18 22:56:47 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 05:56:47 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] arg.. spam... References: <20030518134130.J11288@rawfire.torche.com> Message-ID: <3EC7F38F.8000107@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Try this script. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=636412&group_id=103&atid=300103 Chris 12 wrote: > OK.. 2.1.2 verision.. > > I have a list that currently has over 550 spam's waiting to be > destroyed.... Anyone know of a simple way to just "delete all" and "ban > all" in one shot? Right now it looks like 3 clicks per spam.. > > This list I have gets like 50 a day.. its nuts.. I wish they would just be > "auto destroyed and banned" So I wouldnt have to even look at it daily.. > > I was gone a week, and this is what happens.. 550 spams.. > > Thanks.. > C. > -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From chasm at texas.net Sun May 18 23:25:20 2003 From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 16:25:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases ... In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1053271948@adsl-245-67.ns.itd.umich.edu> References: <019301c31cb0$2acff740$6601a8c0@davidlt> <2147483647.1053271948@adsl-245-67.ns.itd.umich.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 May 2003 15:32:28 -0400, you wrote: >which MTA (and which version) what's an MTA?? chas From jimpop at yahoo.com Sun May 18 23:26:42 2003 From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 17:26:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] arg.. spam... In-Reply-To: <20030518134130.J11288@rawfire.torche.com> Message-ID: Why not config something like Spamhaus (http://www.spamhaus.org) on your system? I probably get the same 50 spams per list that I host, except 49 of them are caught by sendmail via dnsrbl and rejected. -Jim P. > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=yahoo.com at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=yahoo.com at python.org]On Behalf Of > Chris 12 > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 4:43 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] arg.. spam... > > > > OK.. 2.1.2 verision.. > > I have a list that currently has over 550 spam's waiting to be > destroyed.... Anyone know of a simple way to just "delete all" and "ban > all" in one shot? Right now it looks like 3 clicks per spam.. > > This list I have gets like 50 a day.. its nuts.. I wish they would just be > "auto destroyed and banned" So I wouldnt have to even look at it daily.. > > I was gone a week, and this is what happens.. 550 spams.. > > Thanks.. > C. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jimpop at yahoo.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jimpop%40yahoo.com > From thomas at elements.dk Sun May 18 23:36:14 2003 From: thomas at elements.dk (Thomas von Hassel) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 23:36:14 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On s?ndag, maj 18, 2003, at 23:25 Europe/Copenhagen, schuetzen wrote: > On Sun, 18 May 2003 15:32:28 -0400, you wrote: > >> which MTA (and which version) > > what's an MTA?? Mail Transfer Agent. Maybe you should start reading up on how email works in general before you mess with mailinglist software ? /thomas From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sun May 18 23:40:36 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:40:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] any recomendations? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030518223910.03ea0ed0@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 22:33 16/05/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: >I have two questions for the group. > >1) Any recomendations for a good web based search tool for the >archives. I know there are a few out there, but are any better in anyones >opinion? See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp >2) when importing my archives from an mbox I get all the headers for all >the messages as well as any html encoded messages show up with raw html >all over them instead of a coherent message. I am importing the messages >from an exchange server via POP and or IMAP to set up the mbox file and >then importing the mbox. Sorry, I do not grok Windows MTAs, maybe someone else can help. >Thanks, >Adam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon May 19 00:13:26 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 23:13:26 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail html links problems In-Reply-To: <20030517055750.GA14010@pty.cwpanama.net> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030518225513.00ad3828@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 06:57 17/05/2003, Paco wrote: >Hello list > >I'm using mailman 2.1.1 and everything works fine, but the >html pages for the public archive dosen't have absolutes URL >for Thread, Subject, Author, Date, Text Gzip and download full raw >archive... > >The problem is that I'm importing that html into a php page, and I need >the full url for all the links, right now I'm getting >http://mysite.com/2003-May/subject.html insted of >http://mysite.com/pipermail/list/2003-May/subject.html > >the links in my public archive html are like 2003-May/subject.html, >2003-May/thread.html >and so on, is there any way to change that, so >http://mysite.com/pipermail/list generates >the html with the full urls of each link?? or can you tell me where in the >code can I change >it?, I tried to search the mailman code for it, but got lost :( > >Any ideas or work arounds will be appreciated... Fix the code that is screen scraping the list's web pages. Now if you were using a decent language like Python instead of PHP you would find Python's urlparse module and its urljoin function do exactly what you want: look at the Python documentation. I am surprised PHP doesn't have a module to do this; something based on the PHP parse_url function. It wouldn't need rocket science to extend it to do the necessary. >Thanx > >--Paco ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From chasm at texas.net Mon May 19 00:20:51 2003 From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 17:20:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases ... In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: On Sun, 18 May 2003 23:36:14 +0200, you wrote: > >Mail Transfer Agent. Maybe you should start reading up on how email >works in general before you mess with mailinglist software ? I asked the question for a reason. there are a world of newbies on this list. if you want to grow a sport or a software or an OS, you are going to hve to be tolerant. I truly hope that you do not speak with the voice of this list. I would really hope that was not true. Otherwise, those who WOULD use mailman would be better off going to either another site hosting this s/w OR to another software entirely. I see people like you killing fragile sports which only old men engage in every day on the playing fields. and then people wonder where the next generation of players are going to come from. fwiw chas From chasm at texas.net Mon May 19 00:32:16 2003 From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 17:32:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases ... In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: On Sun, 18 May 2003 23:36:14 +0200, you wrote: > Maybe you should start reading up on how email >works in general before you mess with mailinglist software ? had to calm down. my point is this. Yahoogroups, in case you live in outer Botswana, is about to start charging for their email lists. When that happens, and I am sort of the front of the wave if not even further back than that, there are going to be literally tens of thousands of list owners looking for a perfectly simple and yahoo like mail program which does not require learning all about MTAs and other, ancillary programs which should be in the main software already - so as to be able to take their lists to a webhost and move on without the charges which are going to otherwise have to be passed on to the listmembers. I have a dozen elists. I have been running lists since back when they were BBS and fidonet. I go WAY back to the beginning of pc's and like that. I am unable to learn programming because since I started taking morphine for my Agent Orange caused tumors, I have lost the ability to do the sysanalyst and db SQL writing I used to do. I am looking for a knock off of Yahoo or Egroups or Onelist's software so that I can move my lists to my piece of the inet. If I cannot expect to find help on this list or any other which mailman is "supported" by, then I would be best served by going with a piece of crap like the old standbys of ListServ and so on. gag! that is enuff Again, I just hope you are not the voice of this list. Further, where is a url in the message footer showing where to go to access the archives? fwiw chas From chasm at texas.net Mon May 19 00:33:35 2003 From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 17:33:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: On Sun, 18 May 2003 17:20:51 -0500, you wrote: > >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ sorry, I found it. got to go calm down and take my pills. chas From skoehler at upb.de Mon May 19 00:35:36 2003 From: skoehler at upb.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sven_K=F6hler?=) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 00:35:36 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: encrypted passwords/German "Datenschutzgesetz" In-Reply-To: <20030516182602.GV32053@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <3EC2B594.9050305@upb.de> <20030516182602.GV32053@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: > If you encrypt the passwords with any meaningful encryption, then you can't > mail out password reminders. If, as another option, you use some trivial to > reverse "encryption" then what's the point? reverse-encryption? I was talking about MD5,Crypt and such! Does your linux box do any reverse-encryption? No, it doesn't. Your Linux-box doesn't even know your password. It's a common thing to use a "one-way" encryption to store the passwords (Linux uses Crypt for it's user-password or CryptMD5 like FreeBSD). A password-reminder wouldn't exist, but it would be possible to reset the password. With modern algorithms like FreeBSD's CryptMD5 is takes quite a while to reverse the encryption (months, years - somethin like that) and therefor, your password is not "readable" by anybody! even my the mailman-admin. this is the way many software products do it (not only german ones). this is the way mailman should do it as well! storing plain-text passwords anywhere is bad "style" in my optinion, and using reversable encryptions is useless as Todd said already. From srb at umich.edu Mon May 19 01:18:34 2003 From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 19:18:34 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases ... In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <2147483647.1053285514@adsl-245-67.ns.itd.umich.edu> --On Sunday, May 18, 2003 5:20 PM -0500 schuetzen wrote: > I asked the question for a reason. there are a world of newbies on this > list. if you want to grow a sport or a software or an OS, you are going > to hve to be tolerant. I truly hope that you do not speak with the voice > of this list. I would really hope that was not true. Otherwise, those > who WOULD use mailman would be better off going to either another site > hosting this s/w OR to another software entirely. > I see people like you killing fragile sports which only old men engage in > every day on the playing fields. and then people wonder where the next > generation of players are going to come from. To which I reply: And you got the answer you did for a reason -- setting up mailing list software like Mailman is not for newbies. There's the expectation that someone who is going to set up Mailman will have a certain base set of knowledge. If they don't, then they're going to spend a lot of time flailing around, and asking questions that they should have already figured out the answers to. Such folks are better served either using a hosting service that provides mailing list software, or paying for some product that provides support. -- Steve ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burling University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 From chasm at texas.net Mon May 19 01:52:24 2003 From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:52:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases ... In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1053285514@adsl-245-67.ns.itd.umich.edu> References:

<2147483647.1053285514@adsl-245-67.ns.itd.umich.edu> Message-ID: <9s6gcvovssthu7fc3k3hdg28i0kmuejrno@4ax.com> On Sun, 18 May 2003 19:18:34 -0400, you wrote: > >Such folks are better served either using a hosting service that provides >mailing list software, or paying for some product that provides support. > > -- Steve And I have already stated my agreement with your statement, just did not like how it was phrased. at the least as Dan stated, it was damned rude. but let it go. some days are better than others. just suggest again, you think about how you come across to all the people who are going to be flooding in here. Perhaps a cautionary statement needs to go into the INTRO message or the welcome and a suggestion that ifthe person is not going to be willing to learn a very steep learning curve of not only THIS software but also the entire GENRE, they should go do what your quoted sentence above says. fwiw chas From gfoster at gfoster.com Mon May 19 01:58:10 2003 From: gfoster at gfoster.com (Glen Foster) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 19:58:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases ... In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <16072.7698.136020.904061@audio.gfoster.com> schuetzen writes: > Yahoogroups ... is about to start charging for their email lists. > When that happens ... there are going to be literally tens of > thousands of list owners looking for a perfectly simple and yahoo > like mail program I, hope that someone other than the Mailman developers steps up to carry that torch. Glen Foster From chris12 at rawfire.torche.com Mon May 19 01:50:07 2003 From: chris12 at rawfire.torche.com (Chris 12) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 16:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] arg.. spam... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030518164803.Y76111@rawfire.torche.com> I do not own the system that the lists are on that I am having problems with. My machine its not as much of an issue. But the one its on, the owner is pretty busy, and really doesnt have time to add stuff, and make changes on it. And on top of all that he has about 1500 active users on it, so making changes is not something he likes to do. I'm thinking the problem I am really having is a timeout problem. Does anyone know if there is a set timeout for trying to discard any emails when you have over 500 in the que already? (on the Admin request page that is. ) C. On Sun, 18 May 2003, Jim Popovitch wrote: > Why not config something like Spamhaus (http://www.spamhaus.org) on your system? > I probably get the same 50 spams per list that I host, except 49 of them are > caught by sendmail via dnsrbl and rejected. > > -Jim P. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=yahoo.com at python.org > > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=yahoo.com at python.org]On Behalf Of > > Chris 12 > > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 4:43 PM > > To: mailman-users at python.org > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] arg.. spam... > > > > > > > > OK.. 2.1.2 verision.. > > > > I have a list that currently has over 550 spam's waiting to be > > destroyed.... Anyone know of a simple way to just "delete all" and "ban > > all" in one shot? Right now it looks like 3 clicks per spam.. > > > > This list I have gets like 50 a day.. its nuts.. I wish they would just be > > "auto destroyed and banned" So I wouldnt have to even look at it daily.. > > > > I was gone a week, and this is what happens.. 550 spams.. > > > > Thanks.. > > C. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jimpop at yahoo.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jimpop%40yahoo.com > > > > From chriskl at familyhealth.com.au Mon May 19 03:34:59 2003 From: chriskl at familyhealth.com.au (Christopher Kings-Lynne) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:34:59 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BSD GID Problems References: <00f801c31cc7$aec4ab60$6401a8c0@ESEstudios.com> Message-ID: <00a501c31da6$de59f580$6500a8c0@fhp.internal> I just deleted and reinstalled mailman... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Eagle" To: Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 6:57 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] BSD GID Problems > Call someone make suggestion for correcting my BSD4.6 GID Problems. > I don't want to break something while trying to fix mailman. > I would be happy to call to discuss the problems. > > Thanks, > Tom Eagle > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: chriskl at familyhealth.com.au > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/chriskl%40familyhealth.com.au > From paul at thcwd.com Mon May 19 04:07:37 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:07:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Steve's rant (WAS: Aliases ...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030518210104.03191aa8@mail.thcwd.com> Steve Burling wrote: >1) Learn something more about how mail works before trying to install > and run mailing list software. >2) Read all the documentation that came with the Mailman distribution. >3) Read the archives of the mailing list. >4) See the Mailman FAQ at . >5) When asking questions on a free, volunteer's list, don't assume that > people will spend all their time reading the list, waiting eagerly for > the chance to answer your questions. ..... >Above all, remember that the people on this list who try to help you are >doing so out of the goodness of their hearts. They don't get paid for it. >They don't even get much recognition. On the other hand, if you make a real effort to do what you can and find the answer on your own, the good folks on this list are awesome about helping out. I came here as a total newbie to Linux, and I'm far from an expert now. I've found that if I do enough learning to ask a relatively intelligent question, I can pretty much count on someone offering to point me in the right direction. Sometimes it's nothing more than the right direction, but if I can't figure it out from there I'm in over my head and need to learn more. In short it's rare for fish to be given away here, but fishing lessons are regularly provided for those who make an effort to at least find out what a fish is. <>< Paul, who thinks at least half the questions asked here are answered in the FAQ. From chasm at texas.net Mon May 19 04:42:09 2003 From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:42:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases ... In-Reply-To: <16072.7698.136020.904061@audio.gfoster.com> References:

<16072.7698.136020.904061@audio.gfoster.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 May 2003 19:58:10 -0400, you wrote: > >I, hope that someone other than the Mailman developers steps up to >carry that torch. well, again, Mailman is not the only Linux product out there. a lot of people prefer EZMLM but i have not tried it. I have two lists on my webhost mirroring two still on YHG. They seem to be working well but it is still not easy for people to leave the lists or to join until I create some instructions for footers and welcome and so on. chas From chasm at texas.net Mon May 19 04:48:24 2003 From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:48:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Steve's rant (WAS: Aliases ...) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030518210104.03191aa8@mail.thcwd.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030518210104.03191aa8@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 May 2003 21:07:37 -0500, you wrote: > ><>< Paul, who thinks at least half the questions asked here are answered in >the FAQ. yeah right chas, who thinks the same as above but also thinks that the answers are incomplete or only half answered. From steve at silicongoblin.com Mon May 19 06:36:31 2003 From: steve at silicongoblin.com (Steve Linberg) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 00:36:31 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preparing for Qmail + 2.0.13 -> 2.1.2 upgrade Message-ID: Hi everyone. I run about 50 smallish lists on a virtual domain I host, and I've been promising my users the upgrade to 2.1 since late last year. I've been watching the bug reports and waiting for the right time, and now 2.1.2 seems stable on the whole from the reports I've read. I'm trying to map out the process ahead of time as best I can; I've read the FAQ and dug through the archives and Googled myself silly, and still have a couple of questions. I'm going to proceed very cautiously, and ideally keep 2.0.13 running for a while and move the lists over to 2.1.2 one at a time, starting with a test, to make sure everything goes smoothly. I want to be sure I understand the mechanics, especially using Qmail, on which the documentation is a little thin within the system. I'm comfortable with Qmail, but Mailman's inner workings are a mystery to me, and I'd like them to stay that way if at all possible. :) 2.0.13 works great, and I'm using Bruce Peren's supplied qmail-to-python script to handle all mail to my list domain. I have 2.0.13 (from source, Red Hat 7.3) installed in /usr/local/mailman, but I'm planning the 2.1.2 install in /opt/mailman, with the mutable data in /home/mailman, to fit with my layout scheme on a recently-upgraded machine. I've read the bit about the parallel install in the UPGRADE document, but that mostly addresses the web end of things, which I think I understand pretty well. What I'm a little fuzzy on is how to handle incoming mail for two simultaneous installs, which I'll need to do for a few weeks or so until I get everything converted to 2.1.2. I've come up with this as a plan, but I'd be very interested in critiques, dope-slaps, or painful lessons learned before I embark: 1. Keep the domain alias in /var/qmail/controls/virtualhosts pointed at the "mailman" user for 2.0.13. 2. Create a "mailman21" user to handle 2.1.2, and install 2.1.2 configured for this user (/group). 2.0.13/mailman will continue to receive all list mail for the domain. 3. When moving lists, in addition to the data-moving and web stuff, set up a set of aliases in ~mailman for the list being moved (i.e. .qmail-listname-post, etc) that all forward to the user mailman21. These will take precedence over the .qmail-default file that hands off the rest to the qmail-to-python script for 2.0.13. 4. This will send the messages to ~mailman21, where the 2.1.2 version of the qmail-to-python script will catch it via ~mailman21/.qmail-default and do the processing from there. 5. When all the lists are converted, change the qmail virtualhosts file to send all mail to the list domain to mailman21, rather than mailman, which can then be retired. Does this sound correct? Is it also correct that under the above scenario, I should be able to do a full install of 2.1.2 next to 2.0.13 without disturbing it? Is there any reason Mailman 2.1.2 might burp if it's being run with the username 'mailman21' instead of 'mailman'? Is there anything else I should be anticipating? Thanks in advance! -- Steve Linberg, Chief Goblin Silicon Goblin Technologies http://silicongoblin.com Be kind. Remember, everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. From linux at mostert.nom.za Mon May 19 14:05:06 2003 From: linux at mostert.nom.za (Mozzi) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:05:06 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderator permissions Message-ID: <200305191405.06120.linux@mostert.nom.za> Hallo all i was wondering....;-) Can I give the list moderator more permissions ? say i want him to not only be able to approve moderated mail but also to maintain the user database, subscribe/unsubscribe users in the mass subscrition section ? Just a kick in the right direction will be sufficient. Tnx Mozzi From trislam at hotmail.com Mon May 19 15:07:37 2003 From: trislam at hotmail.com (trislam at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:07:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maliman Question . . . Message-ID: Hello, I am trying to find out when using the mailing list feature within Mailman, is there anyway to MASK the "From:" line within the email? I would like to change it to news at t2da.com. I only want replies to be addressed back to me and not sent to all others within the list (this I do know how to change).. I created a mailing list called: "mailist1" domain is: "t2da.com" The "From:" line displays: mailinglist1-admin at t2da.com Also, it is almost totally obvious to remove the "-admin" to gain access to the email address'. I do not want someone to use my mailing list for their own personal use!!! If you can help me out I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance! Trislam From khera at kcilink.com Mon May 19 16:33:09 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:33:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BSD GID Problems In-Reply-To: <00f801c31cc7$aec4ab60$6401a8c0@ESEstudios.com> References: <00f801c31cc7$aec4ab60$6401a8c0@ESEstudios.com> Message-ID: <16072.60197.392784.154794@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "TE" == Tom Eagle writes: TE> Call someone make suggestion for correcting my BSD4.6 GID Problems. TE> I don't want to break something while trying to fix mailman. TE> I would be happy to call to discuss the problems. What problems? What BSD? If you install Mailman from the FreeBSD ports system, it gets everything right for you. You just need identify which mailer you're using (postfix, exim, sendmail, etc.) when installing Mailman. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera at kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be Mon May 19 11:43:22 2003 From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:43:22 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] password recovery for moderator/owner Message-ID: <20030519094322.GA31365@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> Hello, Is there an easy way to remind the owner/moderator of a list on the owner and/or moderator password. -Jeroen- -- Jeroen Valcke sst at belnet.be jeroen.valcke at belnet.be From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be Fri May 16 14:03:39 2003 From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 14:03:39 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] password recovery for moderator/owner Message-ID: <20030516120339.GA24638@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> Hello, Is there an easy way to remind the owner/moderator of a list on the owner and/or moderator password. -Jeroen- -- Jeroen Valcke sst at belnet.be jeroen.valcke at belnet.be From juergen.tobisch at monocom.com Mon May 19 01:20:13 2003 From: juergen.tobisch at monocom.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_Tobisch?=) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 01:20:13 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change Message-ID: <000201c31d94$0ccc5970$8000a8c0@jtobisch> Hello, I moved a mailman from a SuSE to a Debian server. Everything just works fine, the only problem I have is that is wrong and points to the old direction. How can I change this since bin/withlist -l -r fix_url mylist doesn't work? I googled around some time and greped through the whole mailman-tree but I didn't find anything. J?rgen Tobisch -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- J?rgen Tobisch OT -------------------------------------------------------------------- monocom GmbH Geratsbergerstra?e 8 D - 84130 Dingolfing tel. (+49) 08731/3198-0 fax. (+49) 08731/3198-40 mail. juergen.tobisch at monocom.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- monocom, merz&friends, media&communications GmbH Sitz der Gesellschaft: Oberweilnbach, HRA 4477 Amtsgericht Landshut, Gesch?ftsf?hrer Markus Merz From moderador at rego.com.ve Mon May 19 04:23:55 2003 From: moderador at rego.com.ve (Moderador Rego) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:23:55 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval header Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030518222055.0355af88@127.0.0.1> Hi I am a administrator of a newsgroup running in mailman. In your faq I read something called "approval header" but could?nt find any more info. I Know that in Majordomo you could put the first line of the message with a password and the message would go directly without need to be approved in the web page. Can this be done in MM? Regards Guillermo Costa PS: In case you are interested the list is REGO www.rego.com.ve From rommel at suse.de Mon May 19 10:56:55 2003 From: rommel at suse.de (Heiko Rommel) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:56:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] SLOW Mailmans delivery In-Reply-To: <3EC5BBBE.3070107@isu.edu> References: <3EC5BBBE.3070107@isu.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 May 2003, Kory Wheatley wrote: > Is there a way to slow down the delivery of Mailman to the subscribers > of all my Mailing lists? We have one list that has 16,000 subscribers to > one domain, all these accounts are on our mail server. Every time a > message is sent out from this list, it really causes the load on our > mail server to be high. Currently our Mail server is on a powerful 3 > processor HPUX 11 NClass server with 2GB of RAM. Mailman 2.1.1 is on a > Red Hat 8 Pentium 600mhz, using Postfix as the MTA. > > I have Postfix setup to do slow delivery to this domain (isu.edu), but > that doesn't seem to help. I also lowered the SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = to 3, > thinking that might help. > > Postfix is setup as: > In Main.cf > transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport > slow_destination_concurrency_limit = 1 > Even if the HP machine is loaded, your Red Hat Box may still think it's fast enough. Therefore, the slow_destination citeria might not apply. Instead, try using the nqmgr instead of the qmgr and set default_delivery_slot_cost to something big (e.g. 20). For further details, see man nqmgr. Heiko Rommel phone +49-911-740 53 696 SuSE Linux AG fax +49-911-741 77 55 Deutschherrnstr. 15-19 mail rommel at suse.de 90429 Nuernberg www http://www.suse.de/ Germany From jolly at outsourceit.us Mon May 19 16:21:56 2003 From: jolly at outsourceit.us (Mike Jolly) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:21:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sending attachments Message-ID: I think I've noticed that when a user on aol sends mail to a list, mailman creates its footer as an attachment to the message instead of inline. Why is this? I would guess due to aol appearing to send html messages. So, would the answer to this problem be to use content filtering to convert the message to text/plain? Thanks for your time! Mike Jolly From chiara.boldi at wavetechno.it Mon May 19 17:09:08 2003 From: chiara.boldi at wavetechno.it (Chiara Boldi -- WAVE Technologies srl) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 17:09:08 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] info request about mailman Message-ID: <041801c31e18$9a040930$7a00a8c0@boldi122> Dear Python Staff, could you please let me know if it possible to customize the info requested to a user who wants to subscribe to the mailing list? At the present, it is necessary to provide an email address, a name (but this field is optional) and a password (to avoid the creation of an automatic pwd), but in case other fields were requested, would it be possible to add them? If my clients wants to get all the codes of the customers who want the subscription, is it allowed to add this field which shoud be compulsory in order to successfully end the subscription? If I have not managed to be clear enough, please let me know and I'll try to better explain the question. Thanks in advance for yr. help, best regards. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 13/05/2003 From paul at thcwd.com Mon May 19 04:26:36 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (paul at thcwd.com) Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:26:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200305190226.h4J2QanW015229@ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com> schuetzen wrote: >my point is this. Yahoogroups, in case you live in outer Botswana, is >about to >start charging for their email lists. When that happens, and I am sort of the >front of the wave if not even further back than that, there are going to be >literally tens of thousands of list owners looking for a perfectly simple and >yahoo like mail program which does not require learning all about MTAs and >other, ancillary programs which should be in the main software already - so as >to be able to take their lists to a webhost and move on without the charges >which are going to otherwise have to be passed on to the listmembers. What you say is true, and it's not just Yahoogroups - within the year I suspect free mail list services will be pretty much dead. This is why I started to look at Mailman last July. It was WAY over my head, so I started learning what I would need to know to pull it off. I also decided I needed features which were due out in the next release, so I waited till January to do my install. After some false starts because of other software on my server I got it going. Now I am working on taking the core mailman and making it do most of what Yahoogroups does. I've just gotten a functional post from the web (archives) system to work (it picks up the users e-mail address from the log in and uses the to send the post.) I hope to start transferring my lists to my server in June - 11 months after I started. >I am looking for a knock off of Yahoo or Egroups or Onelist's software so >that I >can move my lists to my piece of the inet. It's not out there, unless you want to pay huge $$. Your choices are 1) learn enough to use something like Mailman, 2) pay someone else to use their system, 3) pay for a professional mail package. Your choice And yes, as Yahoo and others start to charge, we are likely to be over run with newbies who have no idea what Linux or Python are, but expect someone to help them get Mailman. <>< Paul From adaml at jbase.com Mon May 19 19:33:27 2003 From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 13:33:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] any recommendations? Message-ID: Richard, Thanks for the reply, I saw that before, but none of the links work and even the links for patches at sourceforge are under 2.0.x not under 2.1.x. Any idea where else I can get them as list.org and gnu.org don't seem to have them either. Thanks, Adam -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 5:41 PM To: Adam Lipson Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] any recomendations? At 22:33 16/05/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: >I have two questions for the group. > >1) Any recomendations for a good web based search tool for the >archives. I know there are a few out there, but are any better in anyones >opinion? See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp >2) when importing my archives from an mbox I get all the headers for all >the messages as well as any html encoded messages show up with raw html >all over them instead of a coherent message. I am importing the messages >from an exchange server via POP and or IMAP to set up the mbox file and >then importing the mbox. Sorry, I do not grok Windows MTAs, maybe someone else can help. >Thanks, >Adam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon May 19 20:15:34 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 19:15:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] any recommendations? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030519185751.03cd3178@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 18:33 19/05/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: >Richard, > >Thanks for the reply, I saw that before, but none of the links work and >even the links for patches at sourceforge are under 2.0.x not under >2.1.x. Any idea where else I can get them as list.org and gnu.org don't >seem to have them either. Well, I just tried the links on that page to sourceforge for my htdig related patches and they all worked just fine. I've copied them into this email below: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=728836&group_id=103&atid=100103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=661138&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=668685&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 You will find also that, for the patches that have been around long enough to be updated to keep pace with new MM releases (e.g., #444879 and #444884), there are different versions of the patches for different MM version and comments about each of these download patch files on the sourceforge patch web page. The download files names include the MM version number it is to be used with followed by the patch version number for that MM version. For example, htdig-2.1.2-0.3.patch.gz is the third (and latest) version of the htdig integration patch for use with MM 2.1.2 RTFWP If you absolutely must, you can also find the patches on my own web site (see URL below) but there is really no need not to use sourceforge unless it is down for maintenance. And #444884, the htdig intgration patch, installs a file $build/INSTALL.htdig-mm. Make my day by being one of the users that reads it and makes the trouble I take in writing and maintaining it worthwhile. >Thanks, >Adam > >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] >Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 5:41 PM >To: Adam Lipson >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] any recomendations? > > >At 22:33 16/05/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: > >I have two questions for the group. > > > >1) Any recomendations for a good web based search tool for the > >archives. I know there are a few out there, but are any better in anyones > >opinion? > >See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp > > > >2) when importing my archives from an mbox I get all the headers for all > >the messages as well as any html encoded messages show up with raw html > >all over them instead of a coherent message. I am importing the messages > >from an exchange server via POP and or IMAP to set up the mbox file and > >then importing the mbox. > >Sorry, I do not grok Windows MTAs, maybe someone else can help. > > > >Thanks, > >Adam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From adaml at jbase.com Mon May 19 20:29:12 2003 From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:29:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] any recommendations? Message-ID: well they are working now. I noticed that source forge was having problems this morning as their web site said they were down due to running update. Thanks! Adam -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 2:16 PM To: Adam Lipson Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] any recommendations? At 18:33 19/05/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: >Richard, > >Thanks for the reply, I saw that before, but none of the links work and >even the links for patches at sourceforge are under 2.0.x not under >2.1.x. Any idea where else I can get them as list.org and gnu.org don't >seem to have them either. Well, I just tried the links on that page to sourceforge for my htdig related patches and they all worked just fine. I've copied them into this email below: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=728836&group_id=103&atid=100103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=661138&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=668685&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 You will find also that, for the patches that have been around long enough to be updated to keep pace with new MM releases (e.g., #444879 and #444884), there are different versions of the patches for different MM version and comments about each of these download patch files on the sourceforge patch web page. The download files names include the MM version number it is to be used with followed by the patch version number for that MM version. For example, htdig-2.1.2-0.3.patch.gz is the third (and latest) version of the htdig integration patch for use with MM 2.1.2 RTFWP If you absolutely must, you can also find the patches on my own web site (see URL below) but there is really no need not to use sourceforge unless it is down for maintenance. And #444884, the htdig intgration patch, installs a file $build/INSTALL.htdig-mm. Make my day by being one of the users that reads it and makes the trouble I take in writing and maintaining it worthwhile. >Thanks, >Adam > >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] >Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 5:41 PM >To: Adam Lipson >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] any recomendations? > > >At 22:33 16/05/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: > >I have two questions for the group. > > > >1) Any recomendations for a good web based search tool for the > >archives. I know there are a few out there, but are any better in anyones > >opinion? > >See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp > > > >2) when importing my archives from an mbox I get all the headers for all > >the messages as well as any html encoded messages show up with raw html > >all over them instead of a coherent message. I am importing the messages > >from an exchange server via POP and or IMAP to set up the mbox file and > >then importing the mbox. > >Sorry, I do not grok Windows MTAs, maybe someone else can help. > > > >Thanks, > >Adam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From mark at pdc-racing.net Mon May 19 20:43:31 2003 From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:43:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] any recommendations? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030519185751.03cd3178@mail.openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: Richard Barrett at r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk wrote: > Well, I just tried the links on that page to sourceforge for my htdig > related patches and they all worked just fine. I've copied them into this > email below: [snip] > > You will find also that, for the patches that have been around long enough > to be updated to keep pace with new MM releases (e.g., #444879 and > #444884), there are different versions of the patches for different MM > version and comments about each of these download patch files on the > sourceforge patch web page. The download files names include the MM version > number it is to be used with followed by the patch version number for that > MM version. For example, htdig-2.1.2-0.3.patch.gz is the third (and latest) > version of the htdig integration patch for use with MM 2.1.2 THANK YOU for maintaining these patches so diligently. This is hugely useful functionality that should, IMHO, be part of the main Mailman tree. Thank you thank you thank you. - Mark, read the $build/INSTALL.htdig-mm file on his first try -- mark at pdc-racing.net From kalin at el.net Mon May 19 20:11:29 2003 From: kalin at el.net (Kalin Mintchev) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending authorization request Message-ID: hello... mailman is still sending me emails that an authorization is required for postings even if it's told that no authorization is required? in the preferences for the setting: Must posts be approved by an administrator? - i have NO.... how do i make clearer to mailman? thanks.... From theman at eliotstock.com Mon May 19 23:27:19 2003 From: theman at eliotstock.com (Eliot James Ormond Stock) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 22:27:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] redhat 9 mailman rpm broken? Message-ID: <1053379639.bad1896e9733a@eliot.stock.name> further to the below, I have the same problem on Redhat 9.0. But I don't think it's a broken dependency on a python rpm, because I have the following installed already: [root at czss i386]# rpm -qa | grep python python-2.2.2-26 python-optik-1.4-2 python-devel-2.2.2-26 rpm-python-4.2-0.69 mod_python-3.0.1-3 Has anyone gotten any further with this? E. Mike Gideon wrote: > I just installed the mailman that comes with RedHat 9.0 ( I think it is > 2.1-8). A piece of documentation says as of ver2.1 mailman requires a > service. > > When I try running it I get the following message: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]# /sbin/service mailman start > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? > main() > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main > check_privs() > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs > gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] > KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found It looks like you don't have all the required python modules installed. You might want to look on the RH 9 (no .0 anymore) CD's to see if there are other python rpms which you don't have installed. If you figure out what rpm it is that's missing, you might consider reporting it to RH so they can add it as a requires in their Mailman RPM. Maybe sometime before Mailman 10 some distribution will build an RPM that 'just works.' It sure would cut down on the traffic to this list. :) ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From kalin at el.net Tue May 20 00:52:04 2003 From: kalin at el.net (Kalin Mintchev) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 18:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] error.. Message-ID: hi, i was hoping somebody can explain this error i got mailed back from mailman.... does this mean that the email address requesting the subscription is fake or illegal? Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 235, in ParseMailCommands self.__dispatch[cmd](args, line, msg) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 580, in ProcessSubscribeCmd self.AddMember(subscribe_address, password, digest, remote) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 992, in AddMember {"email" : name, AttributeError: real_name thanks.... From python.org at gregwestin.com Tue May 20 03:41:44 2003 From: python.org at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 21:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/arch error Message-ID: Hello, I was just editing some archives, and when I tried to rebuild two of them I got a message like the one below. Can anyone help me understand what's going on here? I made basically the same edits to all the archives, but only got this error for two of them. Pickling archive state into /home/mailman/archives/private/hospital-list/pipermail.pck Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/arch", line 187, in ? main() File "bin/arch", line 175, in main archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, start, end) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 544, in processUnixMailbox m = mbox.next() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/mailbox.py", line 34, in next return self.factory(_Subfile(self.fp, start, stop)) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 79, in scrubber return mailbox.scrub(msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 99, in scrub return self._scrubber(self._mlist, msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 252, in process payload = part.get_payload(decode=1) File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 189, in get_payload return Utils._bdecode(payload) File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 75, in _bdecode value = base64.decodestring(s) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/base64.py", line 44, in decodestring return binascii.a2b_base64(s) binascii.Error: Incorrect padding Thanks in advance for any advice, Greg -- http://www.gregwestin.com Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php From listmod at camarilla.white-wolf.com Tue May 20 09:20:51 2003 From: listmod at camarilla.white-wolf.com (Dan Wright US2002021042) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 07:20:51 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] password recovery for moderator/owner In-Reply-To: <20030519094322.GA31365@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> References: <20030519094322.GA31365@jeroen.fw.belnet.be> Message-ID: <1053415213.2262.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> No. The admin needs to use the mailman/bin/change_pw tool to reset the password On Mon, 2003-05-19 at 05:43, Jeroen Valcke wrote: > Hello, > > Is there an easy way to remind the owner/moderator of a list on the > owner and/or moderator password. > > -Jeroen- -- --(Dan Wright)- -- ---- ----------------- --- -- - - -- ANTA: List and Forum Moderation -- AIM: rulesninja -- Email: listmod at camarilla.white-wolf.com -- Web: http://www.elysiumgrounds.com/~listmodmod -- Lists: http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/mailman/listinfo -- Mailman FAQ: http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/lists/ --(US2002021042)-- ---- ------------------------------- --- -- - - From paul at thcwd.com Tue May 20 18:45:16 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:45:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] redhat 9 mailman rpm broken? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030520113600.03334a10@mail.thcwd.com> Eliot wrote: >further to the below, I have the same problem on Redhat 9.0. But I don't think >it's a broken dependency on a python rpm, because I have the following >installed already: > >[root at czss i386]# rpm -qa | grep python >python-2.2.2-26 >python-optik-1.4-2 >python-devel-2.2.2-26 >rpm-python-4.2-0.69 >mod_python-3.0.1-3 There can be multiple installs of python on a system (mine came with 2 and I've added one), and I would guess the rpm hooks up to the default version. Use the command: # which python If it returns "/usr/bin/python" go into /usr/bin/ and compare that default's file size with the file size of the installs with version numbers to figure out which one is called as default. <>< Paul From kristian at moni2r.dk Tue May 20 21:32:17 2003 From: kristian at moni2r.dk (Kristian Wind) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:32:17 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [bin/check_perms -f] - dont work... Message-ID: Hi all! Very (!!!) new til Mailman, but... Running FreeBSD 4.7 and the Pyhon 2.2.2_2 FreeBSD port, and are trying to install Mailman 2.1.2. The first thing I tried was installing the Mailman port vers. 2.1.1 but got some errors. Then I tried to install the source version 2.1.2 and extract and compile it according to the instructions. But still got the errors when running the "bin/check_perms -f" command. Running bin/check_perms -f several times does not help. ----> root at bsd /usr/local/mailman $> bin/check_perms -f Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/check_perms", line 369, in ? checkmta() File "bin/check_perms", line 300, in checkmta __import__(modname) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Manual.py", line 23, in ? from Mailman import Message File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 25, in ? import email.Message File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 15, in ? from email import Utils File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 8, in ? import socket File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? from _socket import * ImportError: Shared object "libssl.so.3" not found <---- One thing I might have done wrong was installing as root? I have NO idea whatsoever what to do. Please advise... (I'm on digest, so please copy me on kristian at moni2r.dk) Thanks in advance... Venlig hilsen / Best regards Kristian Wind Denmark ____________________________________________ Monitor - Skolegade 7b - DK8000 Aarhus C T: 70222940 - F: 70222960 - M: 40330685 kristian at moni2r.dk - http://www.moni2r.dk ____________________________________________ From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue May 20 22:05:39 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:05:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [bin/check_perms -f] - dont work... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030520205955.03e71d50@mail.openinfo.co.uk> At 20:32 20/05/2003, Kristian Wind wrote: >Hi all! > >Very (!!!) new til Mailman, but... > >Running FreeBSD 4.7 and the Pyhon 2.2.2_2 FreeBSD port, and are trying to >install Mailman 2.1.2. The first thing I tried was installing the Mailman >port vers. 2.1.1 but got some errors. Then I tried to install the source >version 2.1.2 and extract and compile it according to the instructions. >But still got the errors when running the "bin/check_perms -f" command. >Running bin/check_perms -f several times does not help. > >----> >root at bsd /usr/local/mailman $> bin/check_perms -f >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "bin/check_perms", line 369, in ? > checkmta() > File "bin/check_perms", line 300, in checkmta > __import__(modname) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Manual.py", line 23, in ? > from Mailman import Message > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 25, in ? > import email.Message > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 15, in ? > from email import Utils > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 8, in ? > import socket > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? > from _socket import * >ImportError: Shared object "libssl.so.3" not found ><---- Your problem is not a Mailman problem. You will get the same problem if you run python from the command line and enter the Python statement "import socket". The Python you have installed was configured to expect support for SSL. The error is saying that a shared library that Python's socket module is expecting to find is not present i.e libssl.so.3. This is probably part of the openssl package. But being as I do not use FreeBSD I cannot help any further. >One thing I might have done wrong was installing as root? > >I have NO idea whatsoever what to do. Please advise... >(I'm on digest, so please copy me on kristian at moni2r.dk) > >Thanks in advance... > > >Venlig hilsen / Best regards >Kristian Wind >Denmark > >____________________________________________ >Monitor - Skolegade 7b - DK8000 Aarhus C >T: 70222940 - F: 70222960 - M: 40330685 >kristian at moni2r.dk - http://www.moni2r.dk >____________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From kalin at el.net Wed May 21 00:56:09 2003 From: kalin at el.net (Kalin Mintchev) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: sending authorization request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: this is the second try for this: On Mon, 19 May 2003, Kalin Mintchev wrote: > > hello... > mailman is still sending me emails that an authorization is required for > postings even if it's told that no authorization is required? > > in the preferences for the setting: > Must posts be approved by an administrator? - i have NO.... > how do i make clearer to mailman? > > thanks.... > > > > From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Wed May 21 01:47:37 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:47:37 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone out there, PLEASE help me! Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030520204400.021c3220@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> My mailman installation never works, and nobody could figure it out, but can someone PLEASE help me?!?!?!?! Error: This is the Postfix program at host vectec.net. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please send mail to If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The Postfix program : Command died with status 1: "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post hchs". Command output: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ? main() File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in main msg.Enqueue(mlist, tolist=1) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 176, in Enqueue dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w') File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in open_ex fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/2d66aa6089825227497bec24a7f79dc14b631b66.db' Reporting-MTA: dns; vectec.net Arrival-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:47:04 -0300 (ADT) Final-Recipient: rfc822; hchs at vectec.net Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 1: "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post hchs". Command output: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ? main() File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in main msg.Enqueue(mlist, tolist=1) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 176, in Enqueue dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w') File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in open_ex fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/2d66aa6089825227497bec24a7f79dc14b631b66.db' Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by vectec.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B696F2786E for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:47:04 -0300 (ADT) Received: from BICLES.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.203.250]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with ESMTP id <20030520234722.LZKL14470.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net at BICLES.ns.sympatico.ca> for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 19:47:22 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030520204616.021b8878 at pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: hchs#ns.sympatico.ca at pop1.ns.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:46:17 -0300 To: hchs at vectec.net From: Cody Harris Subject: sdfsdf Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed sdfsdf /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/2d66aa6089825227497bec24a7f79dc14b631b66.db doesn't exisit, the directory is in fact empty. What's wrong? From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed May 21 04:13:23 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 02:13:23 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella/Parent Lists In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030508115955.02671cb0@mail.greenfieldnetworks-int.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030508115955.02671cb0@mail.greenfieldnetworks-int.com> Message-ID: <1053483263.3118.31.camel@anncons> On Thu, 2003-05-08 at 15:51, Wesley T. Perdue wrote: > My script lacks one feature I need: I'd like it to be driven by membership changes in the child lists, rather than cron-driven. That is, when someone joins or leaves my software list, I'd like my eng list to be automatically updated. I'm not a Python programmer (I'm barely a Perl programmer), so it may take me a while to figure out how to implement this feature. Arbitrarily rebuilding all parent lists on a frequent basis is a waste of resources on my already busy server; plus, it introduces a time delay in the parent-list-updating. > I had some clients with that same concern. The fix is easy. Modify your script (still kicked off by cron), to start with a grep of the Mailman log files looking for removes or adds to list memberships. If you find any then continue running the script - otherwise exit. The resources used are minimal if there are no changes to the sub-lists. Once you get brave, you can hack the Mailman cgi code to kick off your scripts when there is an add or remove in one of the sub-lists - but the cron actually takes up less resources (unless your lists rarely change) Good Luck - Jon Carnes From ptatters at zerobyzero.ca Wed May 21 06:18:09 2003 From: ptatters at zerobyzero.ca (Peter Tattersall) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 00:18:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: sending authorization request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3A798DDE-8B43-11D7-86B2-0003931C4CFA@zerobyzero.ca> There are various reasons why a post needs approval. Even when you have checked 'NO' for 'Must posts be approved by an administrator?' Mailman will still ask for authorization if, for example, the message is too long or if the message has an attachment when you have said this is not permitted. On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 06:56 PM, Kalin Mintchev wrote: > this is the second try for this: > > On Mon, 19 May 2003, Kalin Mintchev wrote: > >> hello... >> mailman is still sending me emails that an authorization is required >> for >> postings even if it's told that no authorization is required? >> >> in the preferences for the setting: >> Must posts be approved by an administrator? - i have NO.... >> how do i make clearer to mailman? >> >> thanks.... From charford-list at infinithost.com Wed May 21 07:05:28 2003 From: charford-list at infinithost.com (Colin Harford) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 23:05:28 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure to find group name mailnull. Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 pipe to |/mail/mailman/mail/mailman post testing generated by testing at mailman.infinithost.com local delivery failed The following text was generated during the delivery attempt: - - - ------ pipe to |/mail/mailman/mail/mailman post testing generated by testing at mailman.infinithost.com ------ Failure to find group name mailnull. Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the command line option --with-mail-gid. OS: FreeBSD 5, MailMan 2.1.1, Exim 4.14 Mailman installed with: ./configure --with-mail-gid=mailnull --with-cgi-gid=www - - - --with-mailhost=mailman.infinithost.com --prefix=/mail/mailman In /etc/group: mailnull:*92:mailman In exim 4: (this is based on a mailman configuration for a previous exim4 installation). # home dir for mailman MAILMAN_HOME=/mail/mailman # wrapper script for mailman MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper # user and group for mailman MAILMAN_UID=exim MAILMAN_GID=mailnull # vol 020528 mailman router list_owner_router: driver = redirect local_part_suffix = "-owner" require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.db data = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}" owner_list_router: driver = redirect local_part_prefix = "owner-" require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.db data = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}" list_admin_router: driver = redirect local_part_suffix = -admin require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.db pipe_transport = list_admin_transport data = "|MAILMAN_WRAP mailowner ${lc:$local_part}" list_request_router: driver = redirect local_part_suffix = -request require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.db pipe_transport = list_request_transport data = "|MAILMAN_WRAP mailcmd ${lc:$local_part}" list_router: driver = redirect require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.db pipe_transport = list_transport data = "|MAILMAN_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part}" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQE+ywkbtf2vknGZ+KoRAg62AKCJh2FzXuGhA+SP4ZJUQ+x2jiUqdwCdFiyy pmJlBrPqJzBCDK8TzbKCVWQ= =h1Zm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kalin at el.net Wed May 21 06:31:14 2003 From: kalin at el.net (Kalin Mintchev) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 00:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: sending authorization request In-Reply-To: <3A798DDE-8B43-11D7-86B2-0003931C4CFA@zerobyzero.ca> Message-ID: i didn't see any setting about attachments? which layout will be that one one? On Wed, 21 May 2003, Peter Tattersall wrote: > There are various reasons why a post needs approval. Even when you have > checked 'NO' for 'Must posts be approved by an administrator?' Mailman > will still ask for authorization if, for example, the message is too > long or if the message has an attachment when you have said this is not > permitted. > > On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 06:56 PM, Kalin Mintchev wrote: > > > this is the second try for this: > > > > On Mon, 19 May 2003, Kalin Mintchev wrote: > > > >> hello... > >> mailman is still sending me emails that an authorization is required > >> for > >> postings even if it's told that no authorization is required? > >> > >> in the preferences for the setting: > >> Must posts be approved by an administrator? - i have NO.... > >> how do i make clearer to mailman? > >> > >> thanks.... > > From ggw at wolves.homeip.net Wed May 21 07:48:03 2003 From: ggw at wolves.homeip.net (Gregory Woodbury) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 01:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure to find group name mailnull. In-Reply-To: from "Colin Harford" at May 20, 2003 11:05:28 PM Message-ID: <200305210548.h4L5m4dj001898@wolves.homeip.net> "It was written once upon a time (by Colin Harford):" > Mailman installed with: > > ./configure --with-mail-gid=mailnull --with-cgi-gid=www - > - - --with-mailhost=mailman.infinithost.com --prefix=/mail/mailman > > In /etc/group: > > mailnull:*92:mailman > That /etc/group line should be mailnull:*:92:mailman there is a missing ':' in there. It could just be your typo in the message, but it would be a critical error in the system setup if that's the way it really is in /etc/group -- Gregory G. "Wolfe" Woodbury `-_-' Owner/Admin: wolves.durham.nc.us ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us U "The Line Eater is a Hug your wolf. Boojum Snark" From hraftery at myrealbox.com Wed May 21 09:30:21 2003 From: hraftery at myrealbox.com (Heath Raftery) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:30:21 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: sending authorization request References: <3A798DDE-8B43-11D7-86B2-0003931C4CFA@zerobyzero.ca> Message-ID: <017301c31f6a$d6eac390$be01a8c0@ccipope.com.au> As well as other replies, I found my problem was that turning 'approval by an administrator' off does not change the status of existing members. Go to membership management in the admin page, and look at the option down the button to change the state of all users to approved. > On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 06:56 PM, Kalin Mintchev wrote: > > > this is the second try for this: > > > > On Mon, 19 May 2003, Kalin Mintchev wrote: > > > >> hello... > >> mailman is still sending me emails that an authorization is required > >> for > >> postings even if it's told that no authorization is required? > >> > >> in the preferences for the setting: > >> Must posts be approved by an administrator? - i have NO.... > >> how do i make clearer to mailman? > >> > >> thanks.... From theman at eliotstock.com Wed May 21 09:27:59 2003 From: theman at eliotstock.com (Eliot James Ormond Stock) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:27:59 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Re: redhat 9 mailman rpm broken? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1053502079.6a351cc22e757@eliot.stock.name> Paul, here are my python versions. Looks like only one of them really and it's 2.2. [root at czss root]# which python /usr/bin/python [root at czss root]# ls -lah /usr/bin | grep python -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 773K Feb 25 13:25 python lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Apr 17 03:22 python2 -> python -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 773K Feb 25 13:25 python2.2 what next? Cheers, Eliot. Eliot wrote: >further to the below, I have the same problem on Redhat 9.0. But I don't think >it's a broken dependency on a python rpm, because I have the following >installed already: > >[root at czss i386]# rpm -qa | grep python >python-2.2.2-26 >python-optik-1.4-2 >python-devel-2.2.2-26 >rpm-python-4.2-0.69 >mod_python-3.0.1-3 There can be multiple installs of python on a system (mine came with 2 and I've added one), and I would guess the rpm hooks up to the default version. Use the command: # which python If it returns "/usr/bin/python" go into /usr/bin/ and compare that default's file size with the file size of the installs with version numbers to figure out which one is called as default. <>< Paul ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Wed May 21 15:19:10 2003 From: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us (jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:19:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [bin/check_perms -f] - dont work... Message-ID: I believe I can help with this. To use the ports system to install openssl: as root... cd /usr/ports/security/openssl ; make install That will install the OpenSSL Port for FreeBSD... I recommend running CVSup before doing this to make sure you have a recent snapshot of the ports tree.. it's updated almost daily. --- Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ Computer Support Technician City of St Joseph jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 3:06 PM To: Kristian Wind Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] [bin/check_perms -f] - dont work... At 20:32 20/05/2003, Kristian Wind wrote: >Hi all! > >Very (!!!) new til Mailman, but... > >Running FreeBSD 4.7 and the Pyhon 2.2.2_2 FreeBSD port, and are trying to >install Mailman 2.1.2. The first thing I tried was installing the Mailman >port vers. 2.1.1 but got some errors. Then I tried to install the source >version 2.1.2 and extract and compile it according to the instructions. >But still got the errors when running the "bin/check_perms -f" command. >Running bin/check_perms -f several times does not help. > >----> >root at bsd /usr/local/mailman $> bin/check_perms -f >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "bin/check_perms", line 369, in ? > checkmta() > File "bin/check_perms", line 300, in checkmta > __import__(modname) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Manual.py", line 23, in ? > from Mailman import Message > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 25, in ? > import email.Message > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 15, in ? > from email import Utils > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 8, in ? > import socket > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? > from _socket import * >ImportError: Shared object "libssl.so.3" not found ><---- Your problem is not a Mailman problem. You will get the same problem if you run python from the command line and enter the Python statement "import socket". The Python you have installed was configured to expect support for SSL. The error is saying that a shared library that Python's socket module is expecting to find is not present i.e libssl.so.3. This is probably part of the openssl package. But being as I do not use FreeBSD I cannot help any further. >One thing I might have done wrong was installing as root? > >I have NO idea whatsoever what to do. Please advise... >(I'm on digest, so please copy me on kristian at moni2r.dk) > >Thanks in advance... > > >Venlig hilsen / Best regards >Kristian Wind >Denmark > >____________________________________________ >Monitor - Skolegade 7b - DK8000 Aarhus C >T: 70222940 - F: 70222960 - M: 40330685 >kristian at moni2r.dk - http://www.moni2r.dk >____________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From kristian at moni2r.dk Wed May 21 16:48:13 2003 From: kristian at moni2r.dk (Kristian Wind) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:48:13 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [bin/check_perms -f] - dont work... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3F739752-8B9B-11D7-82AF-00039310AC22@moni2r.dk> It worked! Thanks a billion-trillion! On onsdag, maj 21, 2003, at 15:19 Europe/Copenhagen, jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us wrote: > I believe I can help with this. > > To use the ports system to install openssl: > > as root... > > cd /usr/ports/security/openssl ; make install > > That will install the OpenSSL Port for FreeBSD... I recommend running > CVSup before doing this to make sure you have a recent snapshot of the > ports tree.. it's updated almost daily. Venlig hilsen / Best regards Kristian Wind ____________________________________________ Monitor - Skolegade 7b - DK8000 Aarhus C T: 70222940 - F: 70222960 - M: 40330685 kristian at moni2r.dk - http://www.moni2r.dk ____________________________________________ From javier.romero at cedex.es Wed May 21 17:15:42 2003 From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:15:42 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/mailmanctl start Message-ID: <3ECB981E.8010503@cedex.es> Hello, i've installed mailman 2.1.2 in Mandrake 9.0 all looks to be good, but i can't start daemon. I can create a list, and admin it, but the list don't send. sendmail is working fine (after smrsh problem solved) here is the reply of the system... thanks [root at pc6426 mailman]# bin/mailmanctl start Arrancando el qrunner maestro de Mailman [root at pc6426 mailman]# Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 77, in ? from Mailman.i18n import _ File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 19, in ? import gettext File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/gettext.py", line 49, in ? from errno import ENOENT ImportError: No module named errno Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 77, in ? from Mailman.i18n import _ File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 19, in ? import gettext File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/gettext.py", line 49, in ? from errno import ENOENT ImportError: No module named errno Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 77, in ? from Mailman.i18n import _ File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 19, in ? import gettext File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/gettext.py", line 49, in ? from errno import ENOENT ImportError: No module named errno -- Javier Romero Casado tel.913357274 Dep. Comunicaciones CEDEX From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed May 21 17:23:59 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:23:59 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone out there, PLEASE help me! In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030520204400.021c3220@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030520204400.021c3220@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <1053530701.2205.4.camel@anncons> Interesting... Have you tried running ~mailman/bin/check_perms -f (as root on the system)? Did it find any problems? What version of Postfix are you running? What OS are you running on? What version of Mailman? How did you install Mailman (from source, via ports, using rpms, using apt get...)? If you installed from source, did you read the README.POSTFIX file - and follow all of its very specific and wonderful instructions? Inquiring Mailman-users want to know - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-05-20 at 19:47, Cody Harris wrote: > My mailman installation never works, and nobody could figure it out, but > can someone PLEASE help me?!?!?!?! > > Error: > This is the Postfix program at host vectec.net. > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned > below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. > > For further assistance, please send mail to > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > delete your own text from the message returned below. > > The Postfix program > > : Command died with status 1: "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post > hchs". Command output: Traceback (most recent call last): File > "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ? main() File > "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in main msg.Enqueue(mlist, > tolist=1) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 176, in > Enqueue dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w') File > "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in open_ex fd = > os.open(filename, flags, perms) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/2d66aa6089825227497bec24a7f79dc14b631b66.db' > Reporting-MTA: dns; vectec.net > Arrival-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:47:04 -0300 (ADT) > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; hchs at vectec.net > Action: failed > Status: 5.0.0 > Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 1: > "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post hchs". Command output: Traceback (most > recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ? > main() File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in main > msg.Enqueue(mlist, tolist=1) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", > line 176, in Enqueue dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w') File > "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in open_ex fd = > os.open(filename, flags, perms) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/2d66aa6089825227497bec24a7f79dc14b631b66.db' > Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net > [206.47.199.163]) > by vectec.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B696F2786E > for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:47:04 -0300 (ADT) > Received: from BICLES.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.203.250]) > by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net > (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with ESMTP > id > <20030520234722.LZKL14470.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net at BICLES.ns.sympatico.ca> > for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 19:47:22 -0400 > Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030520204616.021b8878 at pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> > X-Sender: hchs#ns.sympatico.ca at pop1.ns.sympatico.ca > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 > Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:46:17 -0300 > To: hchs at vectec.net > From: Cody Harris > Subject: sdfsdf > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > sdfsdf > > > /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/2d66aa6089825227497bec24a7f79dc14b631b66.db doesn't > exisit, the directory is in fact empty. What's wrong? > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From javier.romero at cedex.es Wed May 21 17:39:56 2003 From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:39:56 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error with python running check_perms Message-ID: <3ECB9DCC.2010308@cedex.es> this is anotehr prblem, or the same problem... i'm trying work with mailman for 4days, please help me... [root at pc6426 mailman]# bin/check_perms -f Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/check_perms", line 362, in ? checkall() File "bin/check_perms", line 185, in checkall os.path.walk(d, checkwalk, STATE) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py", line 279, in walk func(arg, top, names) File "bin/check_perms", line 109, in checkwalk print _('%(path)s bad group (has: %(groupname)s, ' File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 89, in _ return tns % dict ValueError: unsupported format character 't' (0x74) at index 8 -- Javier Romero Casado tel.913357274 Dep. Comunicaciones CEDEX From mistah_cat at msn.com Wed May 21 18:24:33 2003 From: mistah_cat at msn.com (Rob Reid) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:24:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive/search service Message-ID: Hi, we would like to use the Mailman program. However, it is essential that we can archive and search our postings. Without having our mail server host set up pipermail & htdig for us, do we have any other options? Are there any services out there (even at a fee) that we can use to host our archive and provide search capability? We have looked at the Mail Archive, but this won't suffice because it doesn't provide password protection. Thanks for any info. Rob _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rebabonney at ywammt.org Mon May 19 22:40:39 2003 From: rebabonney at ywammt.org (rebabonney at ywammt.org) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:40:39 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] make an Administrator Message-ID: <42446.10.1.2.2.1053376839.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> How do I make and administrator? Reba Bonney From john at hypergeek.net Wed May 21 06:58:15 2003 From: john at hypergeek.net (John A. Kilpatrick) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:58:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question - stale bounces Message-ID: I have a question about what happens when bounces are considered stale...does that mean that mailman resets the counter, or that the person is unsubscribed? I would prefer to have mailman just remove someone. I just went through a list migration and the nomail option wasn't carried over and a lot of people complained - some were people who had bounced a long time ago. I'd prefer just to auto-delete them. Thanks, John (p.s. this is mailman 2.1.2) -- John A. Kilpatrick john at hypergeek.net Email| http://www.hypergeek.net/ john-page at hypergeek.net Text pages| ICQ: 19147504 remember: no obstacles/only challenges From tomasz at rescomp.berkeley.edu Wed May 21 10:06:34 2003 From: tomasz at rescomp.berkeley.edu (Tomasz Finc) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 01:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman has browser issues In-Reply-To: <1051717430.2149.25.camel@anncons> References: <1051717430.2149.25.camel@anncons> Message-ID: sadly enough i still havent resolved this issue and its effects have spread to my new instalation of htdig. any searches on opera6.1 work prefectly but any other browser brings up the following htdig Archives Access Failure CGI problem. -5-Field count -4- fields: If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go via the list users information page. If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information to the mailman at hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu: https://hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu/pipermail/testing/ /mailman/mmsearch/testing what im wonderin now is if this is an ssl issue. whenever i try to authorize held posts or submit the search string all browsers(minus opera6) will complain that i am sending this over an unencrypted connection. currently im running openssl-0.9.7b with apache 1.3.27 any new ideas? --tomasz On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Jon Carnes wrote: > Delete the cookies from your non-working browsers and then try again. > > The older format for storing cookies is not compatible with the current > format - that could be your problem. > > On Wed, 2003-04-30 at 05:41, Tomasz Finc wrote: > > After upgrading to mailman 2.1, I noticed that I am not longer able to > > approve posts with almost all > > browsers minus opera 6.1(linux). Whenever i try to approve a held post > > the page reloads with all of the same content. Opera 6.1(linux) on the > > other hand asks me if I want to post data to the web page .. which i do > > and it works fine. funny enough opera 7.1(win) doest not work. The same change > > and no actual change happening happens when i try to add new users to > > a mailing list. > > > > the following do not work: > > > > opera7.1(win) > > ie6.0(win) > > mozilla-1.4(linux) > > > > The system is redhat6.2 2.2.5 running apache-1.3.27 with mod-ssl > > > > --tomasz > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > -- From Reuben.Pearse at presence-systems.com Wed May 21 13:22:47 2003 From: Reuben.Pearse at presence-systems.com (Reuben Pearse) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:22:47 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Undeliverables on Postfix Message-ID: <347BC8EA5B2B004FBB454A5FAA75739D1C6C4A@psl9.presence-systems.com> Hi there, I have just managed to get Mailman 2.1.2 working on Mandrake Linux 8.2. The MTA for Mandrake is Postfix. How do I see a list of mail that has not been delivered. Does Postfix provide a non-delivery report, and this available to Mailman? I am new to Postfix so perhaps there are some log files I need to be looking at? Reuben Pearse reuben at presence-systems.com From elrond at bostoncomputing.net Wed May 21 19:11:28 2003 From: elrond at bostoncomputing.net (Rajib Momen) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:11:28 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List members not receiving mail? Message-ID: <001401c31fbc$047699a0$01fea8c0@bostoncomputing.net> Hi guys, Anyone know how you can check which users on a certain list during a given mailing got the message, and which did not? I was looking through my error log thingy in mailman/logs and didn't see anything. Is there somewhere else I should be looking? Last night it appears that some people received a particular message while many others did not and I'm trying to troubleshoot it. Frankly, I don't even know where to begin. Any help is appreciated. Thanks! Best regards, Rajib Momen President, Director of I.T. Boston Computing Network http://www.bostoncomputing.net From frederic.perrouin at unilog.fr Wed May 21 19:16:54 2003 From: frederic.perrouin at unilog.fr (Frederic Perrouin) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 19:16:54 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List members not receiving mail? Message-ID: Hi, At first you can look in your MTA logs. Best regards, Fred -----Message d'origine----- De : Rajib Momen [mailto:elrond at bostoncomputing.net] Envoy? : mercredi 21 mai 2003 19:11 ? : mailman-users at python.org Objet : [Mailman-Users] List members not receiving mail? Hi guys, Anyone know how you can check which users on a certain list during a given mailing got the message, and which did not? I was looking through my error log thingy in mailman/logs and didn't see anything. Is there somewhere else I should be looking? Last night it appears that some people received a particular message while many others did not and I'm trying to troubleshoot it. Frankly, I don't even know where to begin. Any help is appreciated. Thanks! Best regards, Rajib Momen President, Director of I.T. Boston Computing Network http://www.bostoncomputing.net ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: frederic.perrouin at unilog.fr Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/frederic.perrouin%40unilog.fr From the.dude at softhome.net Wed May 21 19:35:29 2003 From: the.dude at softhome.net (the.dude at softhome.net) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:35:29 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] listinfo doesn't allow subscribe anymore Message-ID: Hi there, I've installed and configured mailman-2.0.8 a few months ago. I set up a list on it and it was working fine but, recently, I noticed it was still possible to subscribe new members via the admin web interface and with "add_members" but not via the listinfo web interface anymore. When I try to subscribe via the listinfo, I get the mail asking me to confirm. I confirm, the mail server gets the mail and mailman does simply nothing with it. It never confirms the subscription. Anyone to help me? Thanks, Here's what I get this in the error log: May 21 19:18:06 2003 qrunner(1292): Traceback (most recent call last): May 21 19:18:06 2003 qrunner(1292): File "/home/mailman/issues/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ? May 21 19:18:06 2003 qrunner(1292): kids = main(lock) May 21 19:18:06 2003 qrunner(1292): File "/home/mailman/issues/cron/qrunner", line 252, in main May 21 19:18:06 2003 qrunner(1292): keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata) May 21 19:18:06 2003 qrunner(1292): File "/home/mailman/issues/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message May 21 19:18:06 2003 qrunner(1292): if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg): May 21 19:18:06 2003 qrunner(1292): File "/home/mailman/issues/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages May 21 19:18:06 2003 qrunner(1292): addrs = func(msg) May 21 19:18:06 2003 qrunner(1292): File "/home/mailman/issues/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py", line 59, in process May 21 19:18:06 2003 qrunner(1292): more = mfile.next() May 21 19:18:06 2003 qrunner(1292): File "/usr/lib/python2.1/multifile.py", line 123, in next May 21 19:18:06 2003 qrunner(1292): while self.readline(): pass May 21 19:18:06 2003 qrunner(1292): File "/usr/lib/python2.1/multifile.py", line 95, in readline May 21 19:18:06 2003 qrunner(1292): if marker == self.section_divider(sep): May 21 19:18:06 2003 qrunner(1292): File "/usr/lib/python2.1/multifile.py", line 159, in section_divider May 21 19:18:06 2003 qrunner(1292): return "--" + str May 21 19:18:06 2003 qrunner(1292): TypeError : cannot add type "None" to string From webperson at now.org Wed May 21 19:35:42 2003 From: webperson at now.org (NOW Website Coordinator) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:35:42 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm_htaccess questions Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030521103101.00c9b500@now.org> The FAQ has two scripts to use to generate an Apache password file that can be used to authenticate a directory with Mailman passwords, in my case, the archive directory for one of my lists. The script mm_htaccess works fine, but I was wondering if anyone had fine-tuned it. I want it only to work for one list, and only if that list was new. I also can't seem to get it not to write error messages (or really, it just writes its report to the cron id, but it won't send it to /dev/null or a file since I assume it is writing the password added as an error message, not just standard output.) Glenn Sieb added a makefile script which works for all lists, but that's more than I need. Has anyone done any of this for their lists? I know if I spend enough time with a Perl manual I should be able to get this to work, but didn't want to reinvent any wheels. Thanks in advance. Sarah Stapleton-Gray -------------------------------------------- Web Site Coordinator National Organization for Women http://www.now.org From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Wed May 21 21:27:50 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:27:50 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone out there, PLEASE help me! Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030521162744.00b501d0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> At 11:25 AM 5/21/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Interesting... Have you tried running ~mailman/bin/check_perms -f (as >root on the system)? Did it find any problems? If had A LOT of errors, but it fixed them but now: open(dbfile) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/hchs/config.db' >What version of Postfix are you running? Postfix-20010228-pl03 >What OS are you running on? Linux Mandrake 8.1 >What version of Mailman? mailman-2.0.13 >How did you install Mailman (from source, via ports, using rpms, using >apt get...)? RPMs >If you installed from source, did you read the README.POSTFIX file - and >follow all of its very specific and wonderful instructions? > >Inquiring Mailman-users want to know - Jon Carnes > >On Tue, 2003-05-20 at 19:47, Cody Harris wrote: > > My mailman installation never works, and nobody could figure it out, but > > can someone PLEASE help me?!?!?!?! > > > > Error: > > This is the Postfix program at host vectec.net. > > > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned > > below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. > > > > For further assistance, please send mail to > > > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > > delete your own text from the message returned below. > > > > The Postfix program > > > > : Command died with status 1: > "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post > > hchs". Command output: Traceback (most recent call last): File > > "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ? main() File > > "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in > main msg.Enqueue(mlist, > > tolist=1) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 176, in > > Enqueue dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w') File > > "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in open_ex fd = > > os.open(filename, flags, perms) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > > '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/2d66aa6089825227497bec24a7f79dc14b631b66.db' > > Reporting-MTA: dns; vectec.net > > Arrival-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:47:04 -0300 (ADT) > > > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; hchs at vectec.net > > Action: failed > > Status: 5.0.0 > > Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 1: > > "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post hchs". Command output: Traceback (most > > recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line > 94, in ? > > main() File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in main > > msg.Enqueue(mlist, tolist=1) File > "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", > > line 176, in Enqueue dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w') File > > "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in open_ex fd = > > os.open(filename, flags, perms) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > > '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/2d66aa6089825227497bec24a7f79dc14b631b66.db' > > Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net > > [206.47.199.163]) > > by vectec.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B696F2786E > > for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:47:04 -0300 (ADT) > > Received: from BICLES.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.203.250]) > > by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net > > (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with > ESMTP > > id > > > <20030520234722.LZKL14470.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net at BICLES.ns.sympatico.ca> > > for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 19:47:22 -0400 > > Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030520204616.021b8878 at pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> > > X-Sender: hchs#ns.sympatico.ca at pop1.ns.sympatico.ca > > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 > > Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:46:17 -0300 > > To: hchs at vectec.net > > From: Cody Harris > > Subject: sdfsdf > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > sdfsdf > > > > > > /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/2d66aa6089825227497bec24a7f79dc14b631b66.db > doesn't > > exisit, the directory is in fact empty. What's wrong? > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From GRubin at ccianet.org Wed May 21 21:24:03 2003 From: GRubin at ccianet.org (Gabe N. Rubin) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:24:03 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone out there, PLEASE help me! Message-ID: What are the perms on /var/lib/mailman/lists/hchs/config.db? try chmod 777 (or 775) /var/lib/mailman/lists/hchs/config.db and see if that works. Gabe Rubin Senior Associate Computer & Communications Industry Association (202)783-0070 x 107 Cody Harris Sent by: mailman-users-bounces+grubin=ccianet.org at python.org 05/21/03 04:27 PM To: mailman-users at python.org cc: Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Anyone out there, PLEASE help me! At 11:25 AM 5/21/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Interesting... Have you tried running ~mailman/bin/check_perms -f (as >root on the system)? Did it find any problems? If had A LOT of errors, but it fixed them but now: open(dbfile) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/hchs/config.db' >What version of Postfix are you running? Postfix-20010228-pl03 >What OS are you running on? Linux Mandrake 8.1 >What version of Mailman? mailman-2.0.13 >How did you install Mailman (from source, via ports, using rpms, using >apt get...)? RPMs >If you installed from source, did you read the README.POSTFIX file - and >follow all of its very specific and wonderful instructions? > >Inquiring Mailman-users want to know - Jon Carnes > >On Tue, 2003-05-20 at 19:47, Cody Harris wrote: > > My mailman installation never works, and nobody could figure it out, but > > can someone PLEASE help me?!?!?!?! > > > > Error: > > This is the Postfix program at host vectec.net. > > > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned > > below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. > > > > For further assistance, please send mail to > > > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > > delete your own text from the message returned below. > > > > The Postfix program > > > > : Command died with status 1: > "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post > > hchs". Command output: Traceback (most recent call last): File > > "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ? main() File > > "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in > main msg.Enqueue(mlist, > > tolist=1) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 176, in > > Enqueue dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w') File > > "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in open_ex fd = > > os.open(filename, flags, perms) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > > '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/2d66aa6089825227497bec24a7f79dc14b631b66.db' > > Reporting-MTA: dns; vectec.net > > Arrival-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:47:04 -0300 (ADT) > > > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; hchs at vectec.net > > Action: failed > > Status: 5.0.0 > > Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 1: > > "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post hchs". Command output: Traceback (most > > recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line > 94, in ? > > main() File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in main > > msg.Enqueue(mlist, tolist=1) File > "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", > > line 176, in Enqueue dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w') File > > "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in open_ex fd = > > os.open(filename, flags, perms) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > > '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/2d66aa6089825227497bec24a7f79dc14b631b66.db' > > Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net > > [206.47.199.163]) > > by vectec.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B696F2786E > > for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:47:04 -0300 (ADT) > > Received: from BICLES.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.203.250]) > > by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net > > (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with > ESMTP > > id > > > <20030520234722.LZKL14470.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net at BICLES.ns.sympatico.ca> > > for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 19:47:22 -0400 > > Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030520204616.021b8878 at pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> > > X-Sender: hchs#ns.sympatico.ca at pop1.ns.sympatico.ca > > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 > > Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:46:17 -0300 > > To: hchs at vectec.net > > From: Cody Harris > > Subject: sdfsdf > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > sdfsdf > > > > > > /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/2d66aa6089825227497bec24a7f79dc14b631b66.db > doesn't > > exisit, the directory is in fact empty. What's wrong? > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: grubin at ccianet.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/grubin%40ccianet.org From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Wed May 21 21:49:55 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:49:55 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone out there, PLEASE help me! Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030521164950.00b51a08@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> os.open(filename, flags, perms) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/6e38917046774f76cd2b2ad19b84f2ad5e70199a.db' /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/ is empty... And i chmod it to 777 and it works... "Your mail to 'Hchs' with the subject asda Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. " What is the cgi-bin command to get onto my list? http://domain.ext/cgi-bin/mailman/ what? At 03:24 PM 5/21/2003 -0400, you wrote: >What are the perms on /var/lib/mailman/lists/hchs/config.db? try chmod >777 (or 775) /var/lib/mailman/lists/hchs/config.db and see if that works. > >Gabe Rubin >Senior Associate >Computer & Communications Industry Association >(202)783-0070 x 107 > > >Cody Harris >Sent by: mailman-users-bounces+grubin=ccianet.org at python.org > >05/21/03 04:27 PM > > To: mailman-users at python.org > cc: > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Anyone out there, PLEASE help > me! > > >At 11:25 AM 5/21/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Interesting... Have you tried running ~mailman/bin/check_perms -f (as > >root on the system)? Did it find any problems? > >If had A LOT of errors, but it fixed them but now: > open(dbfile) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > '/var/lib/mailman/lists/hchs/config.db' > > > > >What version of Postfix are you running? > > >Postfix-20010228-pl03 > > > > >What OS are you running on? > >Linux Mandrake 8.1 > > >What version of Mailman? > >mailman-2.0.13 > > > >How did you install Mailman (from source, via ports, using rpms, using > >apt get...)? > >RPMs > > > >If you installed from source, did you read the README.POSTFIX file - and > >follow all of its very specific and wonderful instructions? > > > >Inquiring Mailman-users want to know - Jon Carnes > > > >On Tue, 2003-05-20 at 19:47, Cody Harris wrote: > > > My mailman installation never works, and nobody could figure it out, but > > > can someone PLEASE help me?!?!?!?! > > > > > > Error: > > > This is the Postfix program at host vectec.net. > > > > > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned > > > below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. > > > > > > For further assistance, please send mail to > > > > > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > > > delete your own text from the message returned below. > > > > > > The Postfix program > > > > > > : Command died with status 1: > > "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post > > > hchs". Command output: Traceback (most recent call last): File > > > "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ? main() File > > > "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in > > main msg.Enqueue(mlist, > > > tolist=1) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 176, in > > > Enqueue dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w') File > > > "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in open_ex fd = > > > os.open(filename, flags, perms) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission > denied: > > > > '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/2d66aa6089825227497bec24a7f79dc14b631b66.db' > > > Reporting-MTA: dns; vectec.net > > > Arrival-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:47:04 -0300 (ADT) > > > > > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; hchs at vectec.net > > > Action: failed > > > Status: 5.0.0 > > > Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 1: > > > "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post hchs". Command output: Traceback > (most > > > recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line > > 94, in ? > > > main() File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in main > > > msg.Enqueue(mlist, tolist=1) File > > "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", > > > line 176, in Enqueue dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w') File > > > "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in open_ex fd = > > > os.open(filename, flags, perms) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission > denied: > > > > '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/2d66aa6089825227497bec24a7f79dc14b631b66.db' > > > Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net > > > [206.47.199.163]) > > > by vectec.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B696F2786E > > > for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:47:04 -0300 (ADT) > > > Received: from BICLES.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.203.250]) > > > by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net > > > (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with > > ESMTP > > > id > > > > > > <20030520234722.LZKL14470.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net at BICLES.ns.sympatico.ca> > > > for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 19:47:22 -0400 > > > Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030520204616.021b8878 at pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> > > > X-Sender: hchs#ns.sympatico.ca at pop1.ns.sympatico.ca > > > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 > > > Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:46:17 -0300 > > > To: hchs at vectec.net > > > From: Cody Harris > > > Subject: sdfsdf > > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > > > sdfsdf > > > > > > > > > /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/2d66aa6089825227497bec24a7f79dc14b631b66.db > > doesn't > > > exisit, the directory is in fact empty. What's wrong? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: grubin at ccianet.org >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/grubin%40ccianet.org From GRubin at ccianet.org Wed May 21 21:49:09 2003 From: GRubin at ccianet.org (Gabe N. Rubin) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:49:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone out there, PLEASE help me! Message-ID: The URL, assuming your config files are all set up properly, should be in the first email. You may need to modify alias and scriptalias lines in httpd.conf (assuming we are on apache here) and do an /etc/init.d/apache restart but now you are at the easy part and should be able to figure this out on your own. Gabe Rubin Senior Associate Computer & Communications Industry Association (202)783-0070 x 107 Cody Harris Sent by: mailman-users-bounces+grubin=ccianet.org at python.org 05/21/03 04:49 PM To: mailman-users at python.org cc: Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Anyone out there, PLEASE help me! os.open(filename, flags, perms) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/6e38917046774f76cd2b2ad19b84f2ad5e70199a.db' /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/ is empty... And i chmod it to 777 and it works... "Your mail to 'Hchs' with the subject asda Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. " What is the cgi-bin command to get onto my list? http://domain.ext/cgi-bin/mailman/ what? At 03:24 PM 5/21/2003 -0400, you wrote: >What are the perms on /var/lib/mailman/lists/hchs/config.db? try chmod >777 (or 775) /var/lib/mailman/lists/hchs/config.db and see if that works. > >Gabe Rubin >Senior Associate >Computer & Communications Industry Association >(202)783-0070 x 107 > > >Cody Harris >Sent by: mailman-users-bounces+grubin=ccianet.org at python.org > >05/21/03 04:27 PM > > To: mailman-users at python.org > cc: > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Anyone out there, PLEASE help > me! > > >At 11:25 AM 5/21/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Interesting... Have you tried running ~mailman/bin/check_perms -f (as > >root on the system)? Did it find any problems? > >If had A LOT of errors, but it fixed them but now: > open(dbfile) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > '/var/lib/mailman/lists/hchs/config.db' > > > > >What version of Postfix are you running? > > >Postfix-20010228-pl03 > > > > >What OS are you running on? > >Linux Mandrake 8.1 > > >What version of Mailman? > >mailman-2.0.13 > > > >How did you install Mailman (from source, via ports, using rpms, using > >apt get...)? > >RPMs > > > >If you installed from source, did you read the README.POSTFIX file - and > >follow all of its very specific and wonderful instructions? > > > >Inquiring Mailman-users want to know - Jon Carnes > > > >On Tue, 2003-05-20 at 19:47, Cody Harris wrote: > > > My mailman installation never works, and nobody could figure it out, but > > > can someone PLEASE help me?!?!?!?! > > > > > > Error: > > > This is the Postfix program at host vectec.net. > > > > > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned > > > below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. > > > > > > For further assistance, please send mail to > > > > > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > > > delete your own text from the message returned below. > > > > > > The Postfix program > > > > > > : Command died with status 1: > > "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post > > > hchs". Command output: Traceback (most recent call last): File > > > "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ? main() File > > > "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in > > main msg.Enqueue(mlist, > > > tolist=1) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 176, in > > > Enqueue dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w') File > > > "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in open_ex fd = > > > os.open(filename, flags, perms) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission > denied: > > > > '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/2d66aa6089825227497bec24a7f79dc14b631b66.db' > > > Reporting-MTA: dns; vectec.net > > > Arrival-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:47:04 -0300 (ADT) > > > > > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; hchs at vectec.net > > > Action: failed > > > Status: 5.0.0 > > > Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 1: > > > "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post hchs". Command output: Traceback > (most > > > recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line > > 94, in ? > > > main() File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in main > > > msg.Enqueue(mlist, tolist=1) File > > "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", > > > line 176, in Enqueue dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w') File > > > "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in open_ex fd = > > > os.open(filename, flags, perms) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission > denied: > > > > '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/2d66aa6089825227497bec24a7f79dc14b631b66.db' > > > Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net > > > [206.47.199.163]) > > > by vectec.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B696F2786E > > > for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:47:04 -0300 (ADT) > > > Received: from BICLES.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.203.250]) > > > by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net > > > (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with > > ESMTP > > > id > > > > > > <20030520234722.LZKL14470.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net at BICLES.ns.sympatico.ca> > > > for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 19:47:22 -0400 > > > Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030520204616.021b8878 at pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> > > > X-Sender: hchs#ns.sympatico.ca at pop1.ns.sympatico.ca > > > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 > > > Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:46:17 -0300 > > > To: hchs at vectec.net > > > From: Cody Harris > > > Subject: sdfsdf > > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > > > sdfsdf > > > > > > > > > /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/2d66aa6089825227497bec24a7f79dc14b631b66.db > > doesn't > > > exisit, the directory is in fact empty. What's wrong? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: grubin at ccianet.org >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/grubin%40ccianet.org ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: grubin at ccianet.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/grubin%40ccianet.org From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Wed May 21 22:02:07 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:02:07 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone out there, PLEASE help me! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030521170049.01b41b70@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/ That's what's set up. At 03:49 PM 5/21/2003 -0400, you wrote: >The URL, assuming your config files are all set up properly, should be in >the first email. You may need to modify alias and scriptalias lines in >httpd.conf (assuming we are on apache here) and do an /etc/init.d/apache >restart but now you are at the easy part and should be able to figure this >out on your own. > >Gabe Rubin >Senior Associate >Computer & Communications Industry Association >(202)783-0070 x 107 > > >Cody Harris >Sent by: mailman-users-bounces+grubin=ccianet.org at python.org > >05/21/03 04:49 PM > > To: mailman-users at python.org > cc: > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Anyone out there, PLEASE help > me! > > > os.open(filename, flags, perms) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/6e38917046774f76cd2b2ad19b84f2ad5e70199a.db' > > >/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/ is empty... > >And i chmod it to 777 and it works... > >"Your mail to 'Hchs' with the subject > > asda > >Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > >The reason it is being held: > > Post by non-member to a members-only list > >Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive >notification of the moderator's decision. " > >What is the cgi-bin command to get onto my list? >http://domain.ext/cgi-bin/mailman/ what? >At 03:24 PM 5/21/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > >What are the perms on /var/lib/mailman/lists/hchs/config.db? try chmod > >777 (or 775) /var/lib/mailman/lists/hchs/config.db and see if that works. > > > >Gabe Rubin > >Senior Associate > >Computer & Communications Industry Association > >(202)783-0070 x 107 > > > > > >Cody Harris > >Sent by: mailman-users-bounces+grubin=ccianet.org at python.org > > > >05/21/03 04:27 PM > > > > To: mailman-users at python.org > > cc: > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Anyone out there, PLEASE help > > me! > > > > > >At 11:25 AM 5/21/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > >Interesting... Have you tried running ~mailman/bin/check_perms -f (as > > >root on the system)? Did it find any problems? > > > >If had A LOT of errors, but it fixed them but now: > > open(dbfile) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > > '/var/lib/mailman/lists/hchs/config.db' > > > > > > > > >What version of Postfix are you running? > > > > > >Postfix-20010228-pl03 > > > > > > > > >What OS are you running on? > > > >Linux Mandrake 8.1 > > > > >What version of Mailman? > > > >mailman-2.0.13 > > > > > > >How did you install Mailman (from source, via ports, using rpms, using > > >apt get...)? > > > >RPMs > > > > > > >If you installed from source, did you read the README.POSTFIX file - and > > >follow all of its very specific and wonderful instructions? > > > > > >Inquiring Mailman-users want to know - Jon Carnes > > > > > >On Tue, 2003-05-20 at 19:47, Cody Harris wrote: > > > > My mailman installation never works, and nobody could figure it > out, but > > > > can someone PLEASE help me?!?!?!?! > > > > > > > > Error: > > > > This is the Postfix program at host vectec.net. > > > > > > > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned > > > > below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. > > > > > > > > For further assistance, please send mail to