From lambert at lambertfam.org Sat Nov 1 00:21:30 2003 From: lambert at lambertfam.org (Scott Lambert) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:21:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archrunner using large %'s of cpu (read faq & archives) In-Reply-To: <20031031205234.GD18048@DellBSD.inch.com> References: <009401c39fbb$01f8f720$033310ac@kwcorp.com> <1067611211.3227.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031031205234.GD18048@DellBSD.inch.com> Message-ID: <20031031232130.GF18048@DellBSD.inch.com> On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 03:52:34PM -0500, Scott Lambert wrote: > Once I kill off the mailman queue runners and clean up the several lock > files for this mailing list, it runs just fine and manages to empty the > archive queue. Well, the above statement is not entirely accurate. It was working quickly immediately after restart but went downhill. I logged out and took care of other things after seeing it move a good number of messages in a short amount of time. Five hours later, it still had 377 messages in the archive queue and was taking several minutes per message. I trussed it again and saw more of the incredibly long series of breaks, but watched it long than I did this morning. After a lot of breaks it goes to a lot of writes then does some file stuff quickly and repeats for the next message. I restarted the queue runners again and it it processed fourty or so messages quickly then began the downward spiral again. Within reducing the queue to 177 entries, it was back to 3 minutes per message and expanding. Restarting knocked it down pretty quick for a while then started taking longer again. I was watching more closely this time. After a couple more restart cycles, the queue was cleaned out quickly and all is well. I haven't looked at the code yet, and probably won't (ENOTIME), but it almost sounds to me like it's not pruning it's list of handled messages and has to walk all of them each time. I would have expected queue handling to get faster as the queue got smaller due to fewer files in the directory that it needs to search through. Maybe it's just a function of the python datastructure being used. The fast after restart part makes me doubt that it is the size of the archive that is at issue. The server we are using is a dual PIII450 machine. I would guess this would not show as such a big problem on a more modern system, but other than the archiver, this box is more than enough for the load on it. The dual processor aspect of this box is what allows us to miss the archiver running off the deep end until someone complains that the archive search feature is broken. The mail passes through the system just fine using the other processor. 38M 2003-October.txt 13M 2003-October.txt.gz 48M portsidelist.mbox -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lambert at lambertfam.org From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sat Nov 1 00:59:24 2003 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 00:59:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archrunner using large %'s of cpu (read faq & archives) In-Reply-To: <20031031232130.GF18048@DellBSD.inch.com> References: <009401c39fbb$01f8f720$033310ac@kwcorp.com> <1067611211.3227.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031031205234.GD18048@DellBSD.inch.com> <20031031232130.GF18048@DellBSD.inch.com> Message-ID: At 6:21 PM -0500 2003/10/31, Scott Lambert wrote: > I haven't looked at the code yet, and probably won't (ENOTIME), but it > almost sounds to me like it's not pruning it's list of handled messages > and has to walk all of them each time. I would have expected queue > handling to get faster as the queue got smaller due to fewer files > in the directory that it needs to search through. Maybe it's just a > function of the python datastructure being used. If it's using files as the queue mechanism, then deleting a file simply marks the entry in the directory as "available", and it still takes just at long to scan the directory afterwards as it did before. This is a known problem with many MTAs handling large amounts of messages, and is one reason why you should use a hashed directory scheme for your mail queue (a la postfix), or you should periodically stop the MTA, move the mail queue directory aside, create a new mail queue directory (with appropriate ownership and permissions), then move what messages may remain from the old queue back into the new one (or fire up queue runners to clear the old queue while the new one is being used for new mail). Mailman could very easily be suffering from the same sort of problem -- once you get a directory with a large number of entries in it, it takes a long time to scan it even if there are only a few files that are currently visible. Same problem, perhaps the same solution? -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Sat Nov 1 01:52:49 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 00:52:49 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archrunner using large %'s of cpu (read faq & archives) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Friday, October 31, 2003, at 11:59 pm, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 6:21 PM -0500 2003/10/31, Scott Lambert wrote: > >> I haven't looked at the code yet, and probably won't (ENOTIME), but >> it >> almost sounds to me like it's not pruning it's list of handled >> messages >> and has to walk all of them each time. I would have expected queue >> handling to get faster as the queue got smaller due to fewer files >> in the directory that it needs to search through. Maybe it's just a >> function of the python datastructure being used. > > If it's using files as the queue mechanism, then deleting a file > simply marks the entry in the directory as "available", and it still > takes just at long to scan the directory afterwards as it did before. > > This is a known problem with many MTAs handling large amounts of > messages, and is one reason why you should use a hashed directory > scheme for your mail queue (a la postfix), or you should periodically > stop the MTA, move the mail queue directory aside, create a new mail > queue directory (with appropriate ownership and permissions), then > move what messages may remain from the old queue back into the new one > (or fire up queue runners to clear the old queue while the new one is > being used for new mail). > In MM 2.1.3, the relevant code is in $prefix/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py function files() starting at line 204 which is called from $prefix/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py line 89 when subclassed from $prefix/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py Rather than just theorize, feel free to make specific suggestions about the deficiencies and appropriate remedies based on the code being executed. Dare I say it, you could even submit a patch to fix any obvious errors in the code. > Mailman could very easily be suffering from the same sort of problem > -- once you get a directory with a large number of entries in it, it > takes a long time to scan it even if there are only a few files that > are currently visible. Same problem, perhaps the same solution? > > -- Brad Knowles, > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." > -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. > > GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) > W+++(--) N+ > !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) > R+(+++) > tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* > z(+++) > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk > From mwood at stpo.com Sat Nov 1 02:52:25 2003 From: mwood at stpo.com (Michael Wood) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:52:25 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Would like to move or remove some headers Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031031174739.02bdc010@mail.stpo.com> All of our lists are closed and our members are internal; they don't need or want to subscribe or unsubscribe, etc. As it is, the headers and the subscribe/unsubscribe, etc. lines are filling the page. We'd like to either remove them or move them below the message area. Is there a way to do this? Does it require programming? If so where can I hire someone to make the modification? Mike From lambert at lambertfam.org Sat Nov 1 03:29:28 2003 From: lambert at lambertfam.org (Scott Lambert) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:29:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archrunner using large %'s of cpu (read faq & archives) In-Reply-To: References: <009401c39fbb$01f8f720$033310ac@kwcorp.com> <1067611211.3227.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031031205234.GD18048@DellBSD.inch.com> <20031031232130.GF18048@DellBSD.inch.com> Message-ID: <20031101022928.GA920@lisadesktop.lambertfam.org> On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 12:59:24AM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 6:21 PM -0500 2003/10/31, Scott Lambert wrote: > > I haven't looked at the code yet, and probably won't (ENOTIME), but > > it almost sounds to me like it's not pruning it's list of handled > > messages and has to walk all of them each time. I would have > > expected queue handling to get faster as the queue got smaller due > > to fewer files in the directory that it needs to search through. > > Maybe it's just a function of the python datastructure being used. > > If it's using files as the queue mechanism, then deleting a file > simply marks the entry in the directory as "available", and it still > takes just at long to scan the directory afterwards as it did before. If we were talking about more than 10,000 files, I might buy it. But we are talking about 1300 files. Also the processing goes something like O(n), in reverse, slower as it processes the files in the directory. I might buy it staying slow if it started slow but it doesn't. -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lambert at lambertfam.org From alexis at attla.net.ar Sat Nov 1 03:38:02 2003 From: alexis at attla.net.ar (Alexis) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 23:38:02 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about destination address Message-ID: <007401c3a021$2b98b960$0200000a@heretic> Im running mailman 2.1.3 at my box, and i need to change a setting related to destination address, ive been reading and trying but i cannot get it working. I have a list called test. when i send a post to this lists, i need that the destination address in the msgs that subscribers receive be the real address and not the list address. Example: my subscriber es bill at foo.com, and the list is test. When bill get his mail, i need bill to see that the To: field is bill at foo.com instead test at mydomain.com How can i achieve this? Thanks in advance. -- A man in black on a snow white horse, A pointless life has run its course, The red rimmed eyes, the tears still run As he fades into the setting sun From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Nov 1 03:50:50 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 31 Oct 2003 21:50:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Would like to move or remove some headers In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031031174739.02bdc010@mail.stpo.com> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031031174739.02bdc010@mail.stpo.com> Message-ID: <1067655050.4722.92.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 20:52, Michael Wood wrote: > All of our lists are closed and our members are internal; they don't need > or want to subscribe or unsubscribe, etc. > > As it is, the headers and the subscribe/unsubscribe, etc. lines are filling > the page. We'd like to either remove them or move them below the message > area. Is there a way to do this? Does it require programming? If so where > can I hire someone to make the modification? > > Mike > No programming at all - if you are using version 2.1.x. The toggle is in the web-admin on the General options page (near the bottom). If your using 2.0, the archives have it laid out very nicely. It takes all of 5 minutes to remove the headers. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Nov 1 03:54:52 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 31 Oct 2003 21:54:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archrunner using large %'s of cpu (read faq & archives) In-Reply-To: <20031101022928.GA920@lisadesktop.lambertfam.org> References: <009401c39fbb$01f8f720$033310ac@kwcorp.com> <1067611211.3227.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031031205234.GD18048@DellBSD.inch.com> <20031031232130.GF18048@DellBSD.inch.com> <20031101022928.GA920@lisadesktop.lambertfam.org> Message-ID: <1067655292.4722.94.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 21:29, Scott Lambert wrote: > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 12:59:24AM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > > At 6:21 PM -0500 2003/10/31, Scott Lambert wrote: > > > I haven't looked at the code yet, and probably won't (ENOTIME), but > > > it almost sounds to me like it's not pruning it's list of handled > > > messages and has to walk all of them each time. I would have > > > expected queue handling to get faster as the queue got smaller due > > > to fewer files in the directory that it needs to search through. > > > Maybe it's just a function of the python datastructure being used. > > > > If it's using files as the queue mechanism, then deleting a file > > simply marks the entry in the directory as "available", and it still > > takes just at long to scan the directory afterwards as it did before. > > If we were talking about more than 10,000 files, I might buy it. But we > are talking about 1300 files. Also the processing goes something like > O(n), in reverse, slower as it processes the files in the directory. I > might buy it staying slow if it started slow but it doesn't. > To me it sounds like a memory problem. I wonder how fast we can fix it? From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Nov 1 03:56:34 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 31 Oct 2003 21:56:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about destination address In-Reply-To: <007401c3a021$2b98b960$0200000a@heretic> References: <007401c3a021$2b98b960$0200000a@heretic> Message-ID: <1067655394.4722.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 21:38, Alexis wrote: > Im running mailman 2.1.3 at my box, and i need to change a setting related > to destination address, ive been reading and trying but i cannot get it > working. > > I have a list called test. > > when i send a post to this lists, i need that the destination address in the > msgs that subscribers receive be the real address and not the list address. > > Example: my subscriber es bill at foo.com, and the list is test. > > When bill get his mail, i need bill to see that the To: field is > bill at foo.com instead test at mydomain.com > > How can i achieve this? > > Thanks in advance. > Read the FAQ and look for VERP (or Personalization). It's laid out in HowTo fashion - step by step. Jon Carnes From paul at thcwd.com Sat Nov 1 05:16:12 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:16:12 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: optionsurl not using full domain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031031213258.08741518@mail.thcwd.com> Michael Alberghini wrote: >For some reason my new subscriber messages are going out with only >my hostname, not the full domain name in the urls. > >For example the welcome messages tells people to click > >http://mailbox/mailman/listinfo/galileo > >instead of > >http://mailbox.gsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/galileo > >I can't find a way to set the optionsurl variable to the full domain name. It should be the full domain - I would say there is something set wrong someplace. The web links to the list info page, and to your administrative interface have the same error. I checked a few other lists on the server and they do not have this problem, so it seems to be something that was set or changed for this list. <>< Paul From anders at norrbring.biz Sat Nov 1 11:52:06 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:52:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another CRON message I don't know what it means... Message-ID: <200311011044.hA1AiQ35006064@ormen1.basenet.levonline.com> Can somebody please tell me what possibly could be wrong in my 2.1.3 setup? I keep getting this message from the CRON daemon: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives", line 126, in ? main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives", line 86, in main fp = open(mm_cfg.EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE) AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE' Later, Anders Norrbring From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sat Nov 1 14:48:54 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:48:54 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another CRON message I don't know what it means... In-Reply-To: <200311011044.hA1AiQ35006064@ormen1.basenet.levonline.com> Message-ID: <2259DA0A-0C72-11D8-995F-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 10:52 am, Anders Norrbring wrote: > Can somebody please tell me what possibly could be wrong in my 2.1.3 > setup? > > I keep getting this message from the CRON daemon: > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives", line 126, in ? > main() > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives", line 86, in main > fp = open(mm_cfg.EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE) > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE' > > I cannot find a cron/nightly_archives script as part of the standard MM 2.0.13 or MM 2.1.3 distributions but plainly you have one installed, but from where? I thought you said in a previous post you had installed from source? Did you install any patches which might have added this cron script and the crontab entry? Whatever the source of that script, it appears to depend on an extra MM config variable called EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE having also been added. Without the source of the script in order to determine its function and the semantic of the config variable it is difficult to offer any additional advice. > Later, > > Anders Norrbring ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From craig at dashsystems.com Sat Nov 1 15:01:36 2003 From: craig at dashsystems.com (Craig Isdahl) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:01:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing log rotation Message-ID: <001201c3a080$aac856a0$1e00a8c0@craig> Hello Everyone, How do I change the log rotation interval for mailman (specifically the post logs)? Running v2.1.3 on RH 8.0 with full root access. Thanks! Craig From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Nov 1 15:10:31 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 01 Nov 2003 09:10:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another CRON message I don't know what it means... In-Reply-To: <200311011044.hA1AiQ35006064@ormen1.basenet.levonline.com> References: <200311011044.hA1AiQ35006064@ormen1.basenet.levonline.com> Message-ID: <1067695830.3228.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 05:52, Anders Norrbring wrote: > Can somebody please tell me what possibly could be wrong in my 2.1.3 setup? > > I keep getting this message from the CRON daemon: > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives", line 126, in ? > main() > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives", line 86, in main > fp = open(mm_cfg.EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE) > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE' > > > Later, > > Anders Norrbring Anders, This is looking for a line in your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file: EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE = something... It's not a standard part of Mailman, so you've obviously patched your install (or used a version of Mailman modified by somebody else). Take a look at the patch notes and see what other settings you may be missing. Good luck - Jon Carnes From lrosa at mail.hypertrek.info Sat Nov 1 15:14:45 2003 From: lrosa at mail.hypertrek.info (Luigi Rosa) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:14:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing log rotation In-Reply-To: <001201c3a080$aac856a0$1e00a8c0@craig> References: <001201c3a080$aac856a0$1e00a8c0@craig> Message-ID: <18925209515.20031101151445@mail.hypertrek.info> Hello Craig, Saturday, November 1, 2003, 3:01:36 PM, you wrote: CI> How do I change the log rotation interval for mailman CI> (specifically the post logs)? Running v2.1.3 on RH 8.0 with CI> full root access. The answer is in /etc/logrotate.d -- Best regards, Luigi From fuzzy at pooh.ASARian.org Sat Nov 1 18:23:37 2003 From: fuzzy at pooh.ASARian.org (Fuzzy) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:23:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains In-Reply-To: <3FA011F2.6020806@lindows.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Merle Reine wrote: > It does appear that whatever mailing list you create, i.e. list1 is > available to all domains and virtual domains. > > For example, > > I have domain1, domain2, domain3. > > I create a mailing list of cust_help . I can then email to > cust_help at domain1 or cust_help at domain2 or cust_help at domain3. > > This not very good. I have used many other mailing list managers and > this is not the case and I am able to have the same list name under each > domain and virtual domain be a separate list. > I use Sendmail's virtual user table to make sure that the user id is not valid for the other virtual the other domains. That seems to work. Mail has to be addressed to the virtual domain to be delivered. There is still the issue of duplicate list names, but I think virtusertable can redirect that also? 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Im using mailmain 2.1.3 and qmail Reading the faq ive configured verp like it shows. With full personalization marked, i receive the messages with the recipient address but also receive a Cc: with the list address. Selecting Yes in the personalize option, i receive a msg with the list address in To: field. In my test list some messages has arrived in the right way, it is, real sender and recipient. But then ive configured the test list with config_list -i and cannot get it working again. Please, any help? The only thing i need is to configure 11 lists as distribution lists, we have aroung 5000 subscriptors by list. And we need the To: field be the real recipient email address. Thanks in advance. -- A man in black on a snow white horse, A pointless life has run its course, The red rimmed eyes, the tears still run As he fades into the setting sun From craig at dashsystems.com Sat Nov 1 19:01:46 2003 From: craig at dashsystems.com (Craig Isdahl) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:01:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing log rotation In-Reply-To: <18925209515.20031101151445@mail.hypertrek.info> Message-ID: <001a01c3a0a2$37d49290$1e00a8c0@craig> Thank you. I assume that if I want smtp logs to rotate weekly I would just add another section with the 'weekly' command, correct? Craig -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+craig=dashsystems.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+craig=dashsystems.com at python.org]O n Behalf Of Luigi Rosa Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 09:15 To: Mailman Users Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] changing log rotation Hello Craig, Saturday, November 1, 2003, 3:01:36 PM, you wrote: CI> How do I change the log rotation interval for mailman CI> (specifically the post logs)? Running v2.1.3 on RH 8.0 with CI> full root access. The answer is in /etc/logrotate.d -- Best regards, Luigi ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: craig at dashsystems.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/craig%40das hsystems.com From lrosa at mail.hypertrek.info Sat Nov 1 19:20:01 2003 From: lrosa at mail.hypertrek.info (Luigi Rosa) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 19:20:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing log rotation In-Reply-To: <001a01c3a0a2$37d49290$1e00a8c0@craig> References: <18925209515.20031101151445@mail.hypertrek.info> <001a01c3a0a2$37d49290$1e00a8c0@craig> Message-ID: <15839924937.20031101192001@mail.hypertrek.info> Hello Craig, Saturday, November 1, 2003, 7:01:46 PM, you wrote: CI> Thank you. I assume that if I want smtp logs to rotate weekly I CI> would just add another section with the 'weekly' command, CI> correct? The defaults are set by /etc/logrotate.conf /etc/logrotate.d contains some files with the definitions of the logfiles and the some special actions to be taken in the rotate process. If you take a look at the existing files, you probably guess many things. the basic format of the files in /etc/logrotate.conf is /var/log/filename1 /var/log/filename2 /var/log/filenamen { options } The options between {} override the oprions set in /etc/logrotate.conf -- Best regards, Luigi From paul at thcwd.com Sat Nov 1 19:25:48 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 12:25:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tired of seeing my footers posted back to the list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031101121925.08661288@mail.thcwd.com> I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees my list footers twice on some posts because the clueless individual who sent the e-mail did not edit them out. I'm trying to educate folks, but you know how that goes. There should be some way to edit the footers out when they pass back through Mailman. Encase the footers in some fairly unique characters, search for those characters on incoming e-mail, then remove the characters and everything between them. Something like the " " html comment code. Probably the best start and end code would be something that looks like a fancy dividing line. A specific number of asterisks and dashes for example. Unfortunately I don't have the programing skill to do this. Anyone care to offer some code, or at least some direction? <>< Paul From ihsan at dogan.ch Sat Nov 1 20:23:57 2003 From: ihsan at dogan.ch (Ihsan Dogan) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 20:23:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Sun ONE Webserver Message-ID: <20031101192357.GA13478@defiant.kinali.ch> Hi, I'm using Mailman 2.1.3 and Sun ONE Webserver 6.1. Most parts of the webinterface are working fine. But when I try to subscribe on a mailinglist, I got server error. Error log: [01/Nov/2003:18:53:36] failure ( 8211): for host defiant.kinali.ch trying to POST /mailman/subscribe/mailman, cgi_scan_headers reports: HTTP4044: the CGI program /opt/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe did not produce a valid header (name without value: got line " file "/opt/mailman/mailman/logging/logger.py", line 67, in __get_f") Has some an idea, what is going wrong here? Regards, Ihsan... -- Swiss Unix User Group: http://www.suug.ch/ Software Packages for Solaris: http://www.blastwave.org/ From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sat Nov 1 23:45:08 2003 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:45:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archrunner using large %'s of cpu (read faq & archives) In-Reply-To: <20031101022928.GA920@lisadesktop.lambertfam.org> References: <009401c39fbb$01f8f720$033310ac@kwcorp.com> <1067611211.3227.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031031205234.GD18048@DellBSD.inch.com> <20031031232130.GF18048@DellBSD.inch.com> <20031101022928.GA920@lisadesktop.lambertfam.org> Message-ID: At 9:29 PM -0500 2003/10/31, Scott Lambert wrote: > If we were talking about more than 10,000 files, I might buy it. But we > are talking about 1300 files. Many filesystems start significantly slowing down around 1,000 files, not 10,000. Moreover, are you sure that this is the largest number of files you've ever had in that directory? > Also the processing goes something like > O(n), in reverse, slower as it processes the files in the directory. That is a bit strange, but might be explained by holes in the directory structure that need to be skipped. > I > might buy it staying slow if it started slow but it doesn't. I've seen mail servers at large freemail providers that had previously grown to very large sizes, and worked reasonably well for numbers of files in the low thousands, but seriously flaked out when pushed much beyond that. Move the directory aside, move the files to a new directory, and restart -- suddenly everything works like magic again. Unless you know the filesystem code intimately, as well as the code that is using the filesystem, it can be difficult to predict how or when things will break or how badly they will break. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sat Nov 1 23:40:29 2003 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:40:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archrunner using large %'s of cpu (read faq & archives) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:52 AM +0000 2003/11/01, Richard Barrett wrote: > Rather than just theorize, feel free to make specific suggestions > about the deficiencies and appropriate remedies based on the code > being executed. Dare I say it, you could even submit a patch to > fix any obvious errors in the code. I have said before, and I will say again, that I am not a programmer. The last time I did any "real" programming was when I was a senior in college, before I graduated -- 1989. I can talk intelligently about mechanisms and techniques that are known to have specific flaws, but don't ask me to write or comment on code. If you do, please restrict your languages to Bourne shell or maybe a bit of Perl (not too obfuscated, please). -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From john at johnbarrus.com Sun Nov 2 04:19:52 2003 From: john at johnbarrus.com (John Barrus) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 19:19:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't work - can you help? Message-ID: <1793.68.164.243.27.1067743192@webmail.covad.net> I just installed Mandrake 9.1 and also installed Mailman 2.1.3 and Apache 2. I'm trying to get mailman to work, but having no success. Symptons: When I go to http://www.llef.org/mailman/admin/, I get: ---------------- Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. ... Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/2.0.47 (Mandrake Linux/1.4.91mdk) mod_perl/1.99_08 Perl/v5.8.0 mod_ssl/2.0.47 OpenSSL/0.9.7a PHP/4.3.1 Server at www.llef.org Port 80 ------------------ The error in the error_log file is: --------------- [Sat Nov 01 19:00:52 2003] [error] [client 192.168.1.30] Premature end of script headers: admin --------------- So, I try to run the admin script in /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin and I get: --------------- [root at www cgi-bin]# ./admin Content-type: text/html Mailman CGI error!!!

Mailman CGI error!!!

The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: 
Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the CGI
wrapper script to be executed as group "apache", but
the system's web server executed the CGI script as
group "root".  Try tweaking the web server to run the
script as group "apache", or re-run configure,
providing the command line option `--with-cgi-gid=root'.
-------------- (Not surprising) I su to user "apache" and try it again -------------- [root at www cgi-bin]# su apache [apache at www cgi-bin]$ ./admin sh: ./admin: Permission denied -------------- Well, why won't it run? I check the permissions... -------------- [apache at www cgi-bin]$ ls -l | grep admin -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mail 36849 Nov 1 18:50 admin* -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mail 36857 Nov 1 18:50 admindb* [apache at www cgi-bin]$ ls -l .. | grep cgi drwxrwsr-x 2 root mail 4096 Nov 1 18:50 cgi-bin/ [apache at www cgi-bin]$ ls -l ../.. | grep mailman drwxrwsr-x 13 root root 4096 Nov 1 18:50 mailman/ -------------- Seems like everything is setgid as it should be. I also chown'ed and chgrp'd the files to the apache owner and group, but of course I had the same result. bin/check_perms -f made all the files owned by "mail" again. Just for fun, check the version I'm running... ------------- [root at www mailman]# bin/version Using Mailman version: 2.1.3 ------------- Here is my mailman.conf file that is "Included" in my httpd2.conf file. I verified that it was included by putting a deliberate error in the file and watching httpd not be able to start. Fixed the error and httpd started up just fine. mailman.conf --------------------- # # Configure Mailman's CGI scripts # ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ Options -Indexes -FollowSymLinks -Includes ExecCgi AllowOverride None order allow,deny allow from all # # Configure the public archives # Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/ Options -Indexes FollowSymlinks -Includes AllowOverride None order allow,deny allow from all -------------------- Any suggestions? I've reinstalled mailman several times, tried various apache settings, and still no luck. I'm pulling my hair out over this - any help would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, John Barrus From rejp at rogers.com Sun Nov 2 16:48:15 2003 From: rejp at rogers.com (Rejean Proulx) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 10:48:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] :Problem With newlist Message-ID: <01a901c3a158$bb0f9360$6901a8c0@ism.can.ibm.com> I recently installed a Debian Woody Linux system. I requested the Mailman package from debian and it installed 2.0.11. This is a binary. I didn't compile it. I read the post install instructions to make sure that the permissions were correct. I then tried to make my list. Here is the script of what happened. How do I fix this? Do I forget Debian and get the source and compile it myself? If so, what release do I use? Here is the script ----- Original Message ----- From: "root" To: Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:38 AM > Script started on Sat Nov 1 17:15:29 2003 > interfree:/var/lib/mailman# newlist > Enter the name of the list: blindetext > Enter the email of the person running the list: rejp at rogers.com > Initial blindetext password: > Entry for aliases file: > > ## blindetext mailing list > ## created: 01-Nov-2003 root > blindetext: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post blindetext" > blindetext-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner blindetext" > blindetext-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd blindetext" > blindetext-owner: blindetext-admin > > Hit enter to continue with blindetext owner notification... > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/sbin/newlist", line 223, in ? > main() > File "/usr/sbin/newlist", line 204, in main > {'listname' : listname, > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 500, in maketext > fp = open(file) > IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/templates/newlist.txt' > interfree:/var/lib/mailman# > Script done on Sat Nov 1 17:16:27 2003 > From anders at norrbring.biz Sun Nov 2 18:01:10 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 18:01:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another CRON message I don't know what itmeans... In-Reply-To: <1067695830.3228.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200311021653.hA2GrG35004951@ormen1.basenet.levonline.com> I installed 2.1.2 from the SuSE Pro 9.0 distribution, then I updated it with 2.1.3 compiled from source in this case. In the file /Mailman/Cgi/editarch.py (and also reflected in editarch.pyc) I have this section: # Add the listname to the file of archives to be reprocessed def TagForArchProcessing(mlist): fp = open(mm_cfg.EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE, 'a') fp.write(mlist.internal_name() + '\n') fp.close() I don't know where it comes from, the SuSE dist, or from the source compilation, but it's there... Anders Norrbring -> -----Original Message----- -> From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] -> Sent: den 1 november 2003 15:11 -> To: Anders Norrbring -> Cc: Mailman users -> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Another CRON message I don't know what -> itmeans... -> -> On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 05:52, Anders Norrbring wrote: -> > Can somebody please tell me what possibly could be wrong in my 2.1.3 -> setup? -> > -> > I keep getting this message from the CRON daemon: -> > -> > -> > Traceback (most recent call last): -> > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives", line 126, in ? -> > main() -> > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives", line 86, in main -> > fp = open(mm_cfg.EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE) -> > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE' -> > -> > -> > Later, -> > -> > Anders Norrbring -> -> Anders, -> -> This is looking for a line in your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file: -> EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE = something... -> -> It's not a standard part of Mailman, so you've obviously patched your -> install (or used a version of Mailman modified by somebody else). Take a -> look at the patch notes and see what other settings you may be missing. -> -> Good luck - Jon Carnes From anders at norrbring.biz Sun Nov 2 18:11:34 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 18:11:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another CRON message I don't know what itmeans... In-Reply-To: <1067695830.3228.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200311021703.hA2H3iuU011173@ormen2.basenet.levonline.com> I looked in the sources catalogs, there are no editarch.* files at all there, so I guess it's a "SuSE thing"... I've got an installation with separated catalogs; prefix=/usr/lib/mailman var-prefix=/var/lib/mailman So, to get a "clean" install, I guess I should just delete the /usr/lib/mailman catalog and do the compiled install from there, but will I loose any settings for the lists installed? Are there any specific file/catalogs that I need to backup to make a clean install? Thanks, Anders. ------------------------------ I installed 2.1.2 from the SuSE Pro 9.0 distribution, then I updated it with 2.1.3 compiled from source in this case. In the file /Mailman/Cgi/editarch.py (and also reflected in editarch.pyc) I have this section: # Add the listname to the file of archives to be reprocessed def TagForArchProcessing(mlist): fp = open(mm_cfg.EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE, 'a') fp.write(mlist.internal_name() + '\n') fp.close() I don't know where it comes from, the SuSE dist, or from the source compilation, but it's there... Anders Norrbring -> -----Original Message----- -> From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] -> Sent: den 1 november 2003 15:11 -> To: Anders Norrbring -> Cc: Mailman users -> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Another CRON message I don't know what -> itmeans... -> -> On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 05:52, Anders Norrbring wrote: -> > Can somebody please tell me what possibly could be wrong in my 2.1.3 -> setup? -> > -> > I keep getting this message from the CRON daemon: -> > -> > -> > Traceback (most recent call last): -> > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives", line 126, in ? -> > main() -> > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives", line 86, in main -> > fp = open(mm_cfg.EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE) -> > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE' -> > -> > -> > Later, -> > -> > Anders Norrbring -> -> Anders, -> -> This is looking for a line in your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file: -> EDITED_ARCHIVES_FILE = something... -> -> It's not a standard part of Mailman, so you've obviously patched your -> install (or used a version of Mailman modified by somebody else). Take a -> look at the patch notes and see what other settings you may be missing. -> -> Good luck - Jon Carnes From griswld at cio.sc.gov Sun Nov 2 20:06:58 2003 From: griswld at cio.sc.gov (Doug Griswold) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 14:06:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't work - can you help? Message-ID: Your apache server is executing the cgi as root. You have run ./configure --with-cgi-gid=apache but it needs to be ./cofigure --with-cgi-gid=root. But this is a bad idea better to change how your webserver is running. It probably should be executing the cgi as group is apache in httpd.conf there should be an entry si iliar to this. User apache Group apache >>> "John Barrus" 11/01/03 22:21 PM >>> I just installed Mandrake 9.1 and also installed Mailman 2.1.3 and Apache 2. I'm trying to get mailman to work, but having no success. Symptons: When I go to http://www.llef.org/mailman/admin/, I get: ---------------- Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. ... Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/2.0.47 (Mandrake Linux/1.4.91mdk) mod_perl/1.99_08 Perl/v5.8.0 mod_ssl/2.0.47 OpenSSL/0.9.7a PHP/4.3.1 Server at www.llef.org Port 80 ------------------ The error in the error_log file is: --------------- [Sat Nov 01 19:00:52 2003] [error] [client 192.168.1.30] Premature end of script headers: admin --------------- So, I try to run the admin script in /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin and I get: --------------- [root at www cgi-bin]# ./admin Content-type: text/html Mailman CGI error!!!

Mailman CGI error!!!

The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: 
Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the CGI
wrapper script to be executed as group "apache", but
the system's web server executed the CGI script as
group "root".  Try tweaking the web server to run the
script as group "apache", or re-run configure,
providing the command line option `--with-cgi-gid=root'.
-------------- (Not surprising) I su to user "apache" and try it again -------------- [root at www cgi-bin]# su apache [apache at www cgi-bin]$ ./admin sh: ./admin: Permission denied -------------- Well, why won't it run? I check the permissions... -------------- [apache at www cgi-bin]$ ls -l | grep admin -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mail 36849 Nov 1 18:50 admin* -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mail 36857 Nov 1 18:50 admindb* [apache at www cgi-bin]$ ls -l .. | grep cgi drwxrwsr-x 2 root mail 4096 Nov 1 18:50 cgi-bin/ [apache at www cgi-bin]$ ls -l ../.. | grep mailman drwxrwsr-x 13 root root 4096 Nov 1 18:50 mailman/ -------------- Seems like everything is setgid as it should be. I also chown'ed and chgrp'd the files to the apache owner and group, but of course I had the same result. bin/check_perms -f made all the files owned by "mail" again. Just for fun, check the version I'm running... ------------- [root at www mailman]# bin/version Using Mailman version: 2.1.3 ------------- Here is my mailman.conf file that is "Included" in my httpd2.conf file. I verified that it was included by putting a deliberate error in the file and watching httpd not be able to start. Fixed the error and httpd started up just fine. mailman.conf --------------------- # # Configure Mailman's CGI scripts # ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ Options -Indexes -FollowSymLinks -Includes ExecCgi AllowOverride None order allow,deny allow from all # # Configure the public archives # Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/ Options -Indexes FollowSymlinks -Includes AllowOverride None order allow,deny allow from all -------------------- Any suggestions? I've reinstalled mailman several times, tried various apache settings, and still no luck. I'm pulling my hair out over this - any help would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, John Barrus ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: griswld at cio.sc.gov Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/griswld%40cio.sc.gov From simon at caperet.com Mon Nov 3 09:22:29 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:22:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I got a problem... In-Reply-To: <2812.211.201.227.226.1067584211.squirrel@webmail.neograph.co.kr> References: <2812.211.201.227.226.1067584211.squirrel@webmail.neograph.co.kr> Message-ID: <20031103082229.GA16743@mtds.com> 31-Oct-03 at 16:10, ?????? (harangi at neograph.co.kr) wrote : File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 424, in __write > fp.close() > IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device Looks like you've run out of disk space. Check the /var partition. -- Simon White From simon at caperet.com Mon Nov 3 09:42:54 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:42:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't work - can you help? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031103084254.GB16743@mtds.com> 02-Nov-03 at 14:06, Doug Griswold (griswld at cio.sc.gov) wrote : > Your apache server is executing the cgi as root. I'm not sure there is full evidence for this, the message which implied it was running as root was from a command line test, not from Apache. I can't believe a large distro like Mandrake would let Apache run as root (unless, of course, it's been hand compiled and _specifically_ configured to do so). > You have run ./configure --with-cgi-gid=apache but it needs to be > ./cofigure --with-cgi-gid=root. But this is a bad idea better to > change how your webserver is running. It probably should be executing > the cgi as group is apache in httpd.conf there should be an entry si > iliar to this. > > User apache > Group apache Never let anything run as root if you can avoid it. To find out what Apache is running as, do: $ ps -aux | grep httpd my results: root 19848 0.0 0.2 4624 72 ? S Sep26 0:00 /var/apache/bin/httpd nobody 19849 0.0 0.9 13616 276 ? S Sep26 19:37 [httpd] [... several more lines like the second one ...] Always one master process as root, but that one only serves as a listener to spawn children running as nobody... because you have to be root to listen to ports < 1024 in most circumstances. Here in the example my Apache server runs as nobody. The username for your Apache may be different. As Doug said, it will be in the httpd.conf file somewhere. Find out which user your Apache server is running as for sure, then recompile Mailman passing --with-cgi-gid= to configure. There may be other permissions issues, but this issue needs to be checked before others. As you said you've reinstalled several times, there could be junk lying around messing up an otherwise correct config that you've thought was wrong... -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From dsr at best-off.org Mon Nov 3 11:21:36 2003 From: dsr at best-off.org (Daniel S. Reichenbach) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:21:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving to mailman from ezmlm Message-ID: <1067854896.5a3ce47640987@toaster.best-off.org> Hi, we are currently testing Mailman on our development systems and really like it. Great work! Right now we use Qmail with the combination of vpopmail / ezmlm to run our mailing lists. We manage a lot of lists for Open Source projects and as of this mail we are near to 1GB of archived mails. Is there any kind of script to migrate vom ezmlm to mailman? Especially converting the archives to mailman would be a great thing. Greetings, Daniel -- Best Off GbR info at best-off.org One company. One profession. http://www.best-off.org/ Marie-Calm-Str. 25 Phone +49 561 920 37 48 34131 Kassel Fax +49 561 920 37 49 Germany Mobile +49 178 474 20 63 From I.Bapty at student.umist.ac.uk Mon Nov 3 12:29:49 2003 From: I.Bapty at student.umist.ac.uk (Iain Bapty) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:29:49 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives Apache Config Problem Message-ID: <1067858989.3fa63c2d4d2c0@webmail1.umist.ac.uk> Hey, I'm having problems getting to the archives on my localmachine after setting up a new machine. Getting a 403. Inspect the log shows that apache is missing a / in the path to the archives E.g. [Mon Nov 03 12:01:08 2003] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] client denied by server configuration: /usr/local/mailman/archives/publictestlist when trying to acces http://localhost/pipermail/testlist Admin sceens (http://localhost/mailman/ etc) work fine. My apache config is alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/ Options FollowSymLinks Allow from all Order allow,deny Any ideas? Thanks Iain From barry at python.org Mon Nov 3 14:51:51 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 08:51:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe_policy problem? (fixed, includes a patch) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1067867511.5173.135.camel@anthem> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 05:11, Pasi Sjoholm wrote: > anyone didn't reply to me so I fixed this by myself, here is the patch: Applied, with some modification, to CVS. It will be part of 2.1.4. Thanks, -Barry From jwest at classiccmp.org Mon Nov 3 15:02:40 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:02:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] request help with archive rebuilding Message-ID: <009c01c3a213$252584c0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> I've read the FAQ on rebuilding archives, but there is a bit of "background" info I'm missing. Perhaps someone can fill in the missing knowledge for me? Mailman 2.1.2 on FreeBSD 4.8 Release My archives are kinda messy in that it was originally done with some other archive program, but I do have all the mailbox files from then. In addition, somehow there was a chunk of messages that never made it to the archives, and one of my users has submitted mailbox files for that chunk. In addition, there are a few messages I need to remove from the archives where someone posted private info by mistake. I read the faq and have the mechanics of how to remove the ~/private/listname, then edit, then run ~/bin/arch listname BUT... 1) Someone did some work on this mailman system ages ago before me. In the ~/archives/private/listname.mbox directory, there are TWO files, not one. The first one is listname.mbox and the second one is listname.mbox.1 So my first question is, did the mbox get split into mbox and mbox.1 by the mailman softare? If so, I am guessing that the arch program will get both files and generate one archive. If mailman didn't do it, and the previous admin split the files for some reason, do I need to run arch on each file for the same list or join them first? 2) Since I will be regenerating the archives, in addition to the above files I will also have the mbox file that one of my users gave me that contains the missing sections of the archives. As a result, between all these mbox files, it is likely that the date ranges would be out of sequence. Is the mailman archive program smart enough that mbox files containing messages out of date order is ok? Ie., that it will read the dates in the messages and not assume that the next message is "after" the current message when it is processing it? 3) And as you might guess, it is very likely that among all the mailbox files I have to process to generate a new archive, there is very likely duplicate posts. Do I have to go through and clean this up manually? If so, are there any handy utilities around for processing multiple mailboxes into one mailbox file, putting them in date order at the least, and with any luck, removing duplicates? Thanks for any pointers on this!!! Jay West --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From john at johnbarrus.com Mon Nov 3 15:15:03 2003 From: john at johnbarrus.com (John Barrus) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:15:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't work - can you help? In-Reply-To: <20031103084254.GB16743@mtds.com> References: <20031103084254.GB16743@mtds.com> Message-ID: <3FA662E7.2090008@johnbarrus.com> The server is running as user "apache". If you look through the original message, you will see that I only ran the /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin as root to show that the command does in fact run. Of course, as root the program outputs an error. The program won't run at all when "apache" tries to execute it. Unfortunately, as "apache", I get a permissions error that I don't understand. From the original message: ==================================== I su to user "apache" and try it again -------------- [root at www cgi-bin]# su apache [apache at www cgi-bin]$ ./admin sh: ./admin: Permission denied -------------- Well, why won't it run? I check the permissions... -------------- [apache at www cgi-bin]$ ls -l | grep admin -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mail 36849 Nov 1 18:50 admin* -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mail 36857 Nov 1 18:50 admindb* [apache at www cgi-bin]$ ls -l .. | grep cgi drwxrwsr-x 2 root mail 4096 Nov 1 18:50 cgi-bin/ [apache at www cgi-bin]$ ls -l ../.. | grep mailman drwxrwsr-x 13 root root 4096 Nov 1 18:50 mailman/ -------------- Seems like everything is setgid as it should be. I also chown'ed and chgrp'd the files to the apache owner and group, but of course I had the same result. bin/check_perms -f made all the files owned by "mail" again. Just for fun, check the version I'm running... ------------- [root at www mailman]# bin/version Using Mailman version: 2.1.3 ------------- ==================================== I'm still stuck. Anyone else have any ideas? Thanks, John B. Simon White wrote: >02-Nov-03 at 14:06, Doug Griswold (griswld at cio.sc.gov) wrote : > > >>Your apache server is executing the cgi as root. >> >> > >I'm not sure there is full evidence for this, the message which implied >it was running as root was from a command line test, not from Apache. I >can't believe a large distro like Mandrake would let Apache run as root >(unless, of course, it's been hand compiled and _specifically_ >configured to do so). > > > >>You have run ./configure --with-cgi-gid=apache but it needs to be >>./cofigure --with-cgi-gid=root. But this is a bad idea better to >>change how your webserver is running. It probably should be executing >>the cgi as group is apache in httpd.conf there should be an entry si >>iliar to this. >> >>User apache >>Group apache >> >> > >Never let anything run as root if you can avoid it. To find out what >Apache is running as, do: > >$ ps -aux | grep httpd > >my results: > >root 19848 0.0 0.2 4624 72 ? S Sep26 0:00 /var/apache/bin/httpd >nobody 19849 0.0 0.9 13616 276 ? S Sep26 19:37 [httpd] >[... several more lines like the second one ...] > >Always one master process as root, but that one only serves as a >listener to spawn children running as nobody... because you have to be >root to listen to ports < 1024 in most circumstances. > >Here in the example my Apache server runs as nobody. The username for >your Apache may be different. As Doug said, it will be in the httpd.conf >file somewhere. > >Find out which user your Apache server is running as for sure, then >recompile Mailman passing --with-cgi-gid= >to configure. > >There may be other permissions issues, but this issue needs to be >checked before others. As you said you've reinstalled several times, >there could be junk lying around messing up an otherwise correct config >that you've thought was wrong... > > > From simon at caperet.com Mon Nov 3 15:30:22 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:30:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't work - can you help? In-Reply-To: <3FA662E7.2090008@johnbarrus.com> References: <20031103084254.GB16743@mtds.com> <3FA662E7.2090008@johnbarrus.com> Message-ID: <20031103143022.GX16743@mtds.com> 03-Nov-03 at 06:15, John Barrus (john at johnbarrus.com) wrote : > The server is running as user "apache". If you look through the original > message, you will see that I only ran the > /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin as root to show that the command does > in fact run. Of course, as root the program outputs an error. The > program won't run at all when "apache" tries to execute it. > Unfortunately, as "apache", I get a permissions error that I don't > understand. You spent quite a bit of time repeating what I already know. What I want to figure out for sure is whether Mailman was compiled with the correct option --with-cgi-gid=apache or the GROUP that Apache runs as, not the user... although I might assume they are the same, my advice was pointing to the user, rather than the group, that Apache runs as. This is probably the same group that the user apache finds itself in, and as specified in httpd.conf. If check_perms sets the files back to mail, I can only assume that was the argument passed to the configure script. config.status in the source directory will have the arguments you passed to configure in the comments at the top... Running the script as apache doesn't work because apache is not in the mail group; if you chgrp to apache, is that in fact a group that contains the user apache? Hope this helps, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From embrey at hood.edu Mon Nov 3 18:55:40 2003 From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:55:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subject line appears blank Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031103112924.02c84018@hermes.hood.edu> Mailman-List: I am running Mailman 2.1.1 in a RedHat Linux 8.0 server. On my lists that have long names, if someone sends a message with a long subject line the first line will be blank except for the list name such as [powerusers_group] and then on the second line will be the subject. This only happens will long subject lines. Shouldn't the subject line wrap from the first to the second lines and how do I fix this? Bruce Embrey Bruce Edward Embrey : Linux Systems Manager Campus Email Admin : UNIX / Linux Administrator Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927 From Jeff.Salisbury at Independent401kAdvisors.com Sun Nov 2 15:45:59 2003 From: Jeff.Salisbury at Independent401kAdvisors.com (Jeff Salisbury) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 07:45:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What string do I put in the "msg_footer" option to cause the subscriber's address to be listed? Message-ID: <3FA518A7.6010606@Independent401kAdvisors.com> Greetings, I have a list where many of the subscribers are not real comfortable digging into email headers, and a handful of them have found themselves subscribed more than once. I'm having a hard time helping them track down their multiple email addresses. I would like to configure my mailman list to put the subscription address in the footer. What is the string I need to put in the "msg_footer" option to make this happen? Regards, Jeff From OlonOlmstead at aol.com Sun Nov 2 22:29:18 2003 From: OlonOlmstead at aol.com (OlonOlmstead at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:29:18 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] max length for email address Message-ID: <118.2afee121.2cd6d12e@aol.com> What is the max. length for an E-mail address? OO From brhamm at bbfi.org Sun Nov 2 23:08:18 2003 From: brhamm at bbfi.org (Billy Hamm) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:08:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Message-ID: <002501c3a18d$d254cf60$6700a8c0@STUDY> We have a new server running Linux 9 and Mailman is installed with it. We've setup a list but cannot get delivery from it. Is there a place where we can get support for Mailman? Thanks, Billy Hamm Denver From kecit at earthlink.net Mon Nov 3 01:49:08 2003 From: kecit at earthlink.net (Karen E. Connor) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 19:49:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Resolved: Upgrade to 2.0rc2 destroyed some archives Message-ID: <000401c3a1a4$4d1a8d00$d1033841@Connor> Karen E. Connor From chrisduggan at hotmail.com Mon Nov 3 15:43:05 2003 From: chrisduggan at hotmail.com (Chris Duggan) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:43:05 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help Message-ID: Hey there i have recently installed your mialing list onto my site. When i come to test it i fill in the registration fields it comes up with a "page cannot be displyed" i have put the subscription form here www.avrils-angel.com/mailinglist.htm Please could you advise us on whats going wrong? we are a little unsure as to how your list works :/ Kind regards Chris Duggan www.avlavigne.com From mwood at stpo.com Mon Nov 3 19:47:40 2003 From: mwood at stpo.com (Michael Wood) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 10:47:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Would like to move or remove some headers In-Reply-To: <1067878400.5154.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031031174739.02bdc010@mail.stpo.com> <1067655050.4722.92.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6.0.0.22.2.20031031193316.058f75b8@mail.stpo.com> <1067668018.4722.106.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6.0.0.22.2.20031101110523.02bf1790@mail.stpo.com> <1067878400.5154.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031103104511.02c4e370@mail.stpo.com> Thanks Jon, It did indeed work like magic. Mike At 08:53 AM 11/3/2003, Jon Carnes wrote: >Just edit and save the file. The next time Python runs that particular >module it will check for changes to the source - see the changed source >file - and then re-compile using the new file. It's "automagic"! > >Jon > >On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 14:06, Michael Wood wrote: > > Hi Jon, > > > > Thanks for your help with this. Once I make these changes, do I need to > > recompile the CookHeaders.py file? If so, how do I call the compiler? > > > > Mike > > > > At 10:26 PM 10/31/2003, you wrote: > > >Edit ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py > > >Remove any of the "list-..." headers you don't want out of the file. > > >Be sure to back up the file first! > > > > > >Jon Carnes > > > > > >If you feel more comfortable having a consultant do it, let me know > > >($60/hour @ 1hr = $60) > > >http://www.trilug.org/~jonc > > > > > >On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 22:36, Michael Wood wrote: > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > We're using 2.0. I'm new to using the archives; how do I find this, > how do > > > > you search for things in the archives? What string should I search for? > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > >No programming at all - if you are using version 2.1.x. The toggle > is in > > > > >the web-admin on the General options page (near the bottom). > > > > > > > > > >If your using 2.0, the archives have it laid out very nicely. It takes > > > > >all of 5 minutes to remove the headers. > > > > > > > > > >Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > > > > > > > At 06:50 PM 10/31/2003, you wrote: > > > > >On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 20:52, Michael Wood wrote: > > > > > > All of our lists are closed and our members are internal; they > > > don't need > > > > > > or want to subscribe or unsubscribe, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > As it is, the headers and the subscribe/unsubscribe, etc. lines are > > > > > filling > > > > > > the page. We'd like to either remove them or move them below the > > > message > > > > > > area. Is there a way to do this? Does it require programming? > If so > > > where > > > > > > can I hire someone to make the modification? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Wood > > SmarTech Data Driven Solutions, Inc. > > 2455 DeWitt St. > > Clovis, CA 93612 > > 323 255-2145 > > 559 349-2806 (cell) > > 559 272-5155 (fax) > > > > Michael Wood SmarTech Data Driven Solutions, Inc. 2455 DeWitt St. Clovis, CA 93612 323 255-2145 559 349-2806 (cell) 559 272-5155 (fax) From patkins at killinglyschools.org Mon Nov 3 20:03:28 2003 From: patkins at killinglyschools.org (patkins) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 14:03:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error Message-ID: I kow to most this is old news, but I'm stuck and I tried everything. The user and group exist: group > mailman:x:506: passwd > mailman:x:506:506::/usr/local/mailman:/dev/null I also tried to configure using: ./configure --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi-gid=mailman --with-username=mailman --with-groupname=mailman AND ./configure --with-mail-gid=506 --with-cgi-gid=506 --with-username=mailman --with-groupname=mailman Any thoughts??? Cheers, -pete Mailman CGI error!!! The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: Failure to find group name mailman. Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the command line option --with-cgi-gid. From pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co Mon Nov 3 20:12:05 2003 From: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co (Pablo Chamorro C.) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:12:05 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do i change the all list manager passwords at the same time In-Reply-To: <000E1F99290472408C762F61354D9469AC0625@usmail01.exlibris-int.us> Message-ID: bin/change_pw Pablo On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Isaac Perez wrote: > i can change the site password with: mmsitepass > but how do i change the list managers passwords for all the list at the same time? > From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Nov 3 21:24:13 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 03 Nov 2003 15:24:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help In-Reply-To: <002501c3a18d$d254cf60$6700a8c0@STUDY> References: <002501c3a18d$d254cf60$6700a8c0@STUDY> Message-ID: <1067891053.5154.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 17:08, Billy Hamm wrote: > We have a new server running Linux 9 and Mailman is installed with it. We've setup a list but cannot get delivery from it. Is there a place where we can get support for Mailman? > > Thanks, > Billy Hamm > Denver This list (mailman-users at python.org) provides frees support for Mailman. The first places to look for help are the FAQ and the Archives. Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ In your case you should start with FAQ 3.14. If you are using the Default Red Hat rpm then you should read the archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg19516.html ====== If you prefer to hire a consultant, I do installation, testing, troubleshooting, and modifications of Mailman for $60/hour. For maintenance and administration of Mailman, I charge $40/hour. Take care, and good Luck - Jon Carnes http://www.trilug.org/~jonc From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Nov 3 21:51:04 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 03 Nov 2003 15:51:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving to mailman from ezmlm In-Reply-To: <1067854896.5a3ce47640987@toaster.best-off.org> References: <1067854896.5a3ce47640987@toaster.best-off.org> Message-ID: <1067892664.5154.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 05:21, Daniel S. Reichenbach wrote: > Hi, > > we are currently testing Mailman on our development systems and > really like it. Great work! Right now we use Qmail with the > combination of vpopmail / ezmlm to run our mailing lists. > > We manage a lot of lists for Open Source projects and as of this > mail we are near to 1GB of archived mails. Is there any kind of > script to migrate vom ezmlm to mailman? Especially converting > the archives to mailman would be a great thing. > > Greetings, > Daniel > -- Pipermail (the archiver used in Mailman) creates its html archives from an Mbox style mailbox file. If ezmlm has a similar format, then it's easily done. There are some posts in the Archives about this, so you might want to look there for further information. Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Good Luck - Jon Carnes From dsr at best-off.org Mon Nov 3 21:58:41 2003 From: dsr at best-off.org (Daniel S. Reichenbach) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:58:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving to mailman from ezmlm In-Reply-To: <1067892664.5154.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1067854896.5a3ce47640987@toaster.best-off.org> <1067892664.5154.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3FA6C181.609@best-off.org> Hi, > Pipermail (the archiver used in Mailman) creates its html archives from > an Mbox style mailbox file. If ezmlm has a similar format, then it's > easily done. actually it's not an mbox file. It uses the Maildir+ format. So it will be a conversion road. Okay then I'll search. Thanks anyway. Daniel -- best off info at best-off.org One company. One profession. http://www.best-off.org/ Marie-Calm-Str. 25 Phone +49 561 920 37 48 34131 Kassel Fax +49 561 920 37 49 Germany Mobile +49 178 474 20 63 From tech-mail at prupref.com Mon Nov 3 21:59:33 2003 From: tech-mail at prupref.com (McKeever Chris) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:59:33 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Threading and In-Reply-To Message-ID: <200311032059.hA3KxXK02576@localhost.localdomain> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031103/6f511d2b/attachment.asc From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Mon Nov 3 22:07:08 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:07:08 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Threading and In-Reply-To In-Reply-To: <200311032059.hA3KxXK02576@localhost.localdomain> References: <200311032059.hA3KxXK02576@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031103210708.GG10992@hq.newdream.net> On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 02:59:33PM -0600, McKeever Chris wrote: > I have noticed that the threading on our archive does not work, > looking through the Mailman Faq/Archive, I have learned that this is > typically caused by the In-Reply-To not being supported via the Mail > Client. Looking at the headers from our Mailman installation, I have > confirmed that In-Reply-To is in fact missing. > Looking at other Mailman list posts, I have found that the In-Reply-To seems to grab its value from the references: > In-Reply-To: <1067854896.5a3ce47640987 at toaster.best-off.org> > References: <1067854896.5a3ce47640987 at toaster.best-off.org> > It doesnt seem that I have the references header either. Any more > information on how this all works would be greatly appreciated. Other way around; References contains all the message-ids from a thread, and in-reply-to is the message that is being replied to (not surprisingly). Have a look at RFC 822 / 2822. The fix, of course, is to use a better mail client. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From rejp at rogers.com Mon Nov 3 22:51:02 2003 From: rejp at rogers.com (Rejean Proulx) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:51:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Can't Subscribe To My List Message-ID: <006801c3a254$9533ac10$6901a8c0@ism.can.ibm.com> I just installed mailman and set up a mailing list. When I try to send a subscribe message locally, here is what I get. What have I forgotten to do? The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by the server. The rejected e-mail address was 'blindetext-request at interfree.ca'. Subject '', Account: 'rejean', Server: 'interfree.ca', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '451 Cannot check at this time - please try later', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 451, Error Number: 0x800CCC79 > Rejean Proulx > Visit my family at http://interfree.ca > MSN is: rejp at rogers.com > Ham License VA3REJ > From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Nov 3 23:39:42 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:39:42 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archrunner using large %'s of cpu (read faq & archives) In-Reply-To: <20031031205234.GD18048@DellBSD.inch.com> Message-ID: <9E0B69C0-0E4E-11D8-995F-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Scott Further to my earlier post on this topic, I have taken a look at the pipermail archiver code. I concluded that there is a bug (or is it a feature?) which bloats the size of the -article file in the pipermail "database" for each list. This bloat will affect archiving performance, particularly for list with large amounts of traffic and/or those that have large text postings to them. I think the bug has been around for a number of releases and it would explain why I had previously found shortening the archive period improved matters. This may or may not be part of the problem you reported. I have posted a patch to correct this problem here which you might like to try if you are feeling particularly brave: http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/835332/index.html and here: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/ ?func=detail&aid=835332&group_id=103&atid=100103 Feedback either +ve or -ve would be appreciated if you try the patch. Richard On Friday, October 31, 2003, at 08:52 pm, Scott Lambert wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 09:40:11AM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: >> On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 09:26, Jay West wrote: >>> I'm using Mailman 2.1.2 on FreeBSD v4.8-Release, built using the >>> port. MTA >>> is sendmail 8.12.8p1 >>> >>> Very frequently I will see the ArchRunner process using 99+ % of >>> cpu. I have >>> searched the archives and found lots of messages about qrunners >>> using large >>> percentages of cpu, but they all seem to talk about the fixes being >>> related >>> to actual mail processing (sendmail), not archRunner. I am assuming >>> that if >>> the problem was mail delivery or reception I would be seeing the >>> large cpu >>> use on a different qrunner process. My issue is specific to the >>> archrunner >>> process which I don't find much on in the archives/faq. >>> >> Well you've pegged it. That was a bug in version 2.1.2 which is fixed >> in 2.1.3. The patch for 2.1.2 should still be available - you could >> probably patch your running system and just leave it at that (an >> upgrade >> will bring the patch in anyway). > > I still see this problem with Mailman 2.1.3 for a high-volume list. > > PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU CPU > COMMAND > 66428 mailman 64 0 168M 147M CPU1 0 376.7H 99.02% 99.02% > python2.3 > > That's the archiver process. There are 1318 messages in the archive > queue... > > 12:00:28 Fri Oct 31 # truss -p 66428 > break(0x114f6000) = 0 (0x0) > break(0x1302c000) = 0 (0x0) > break(0x114f8000) = 0 (0x0) > break(0x13030000) = 0 (0x0) > break(0x114fa000) = 0 (0x0) > break(0x13034000) = 0 (0x0) > break(0x114fc000) = 0 (0x0) > break(0x13038000) = 0 (0x0) > break(0x114fe000) = 0 (0x0) > break(0x1303c000) = 0 (0x0) > break(0x11500000) = 0 (0x0) > break(0x13040000) = 0 (0x0) > break(0x11502000) = 0 (0x0) > break(0x13044000) = 0 (0x0) > break(0x11504000) = 0 (0x0) > break(0x13048000) = 0 (0x0) > break(0x11506000) = 0 (0x0) > break(0x1304c000) = 0 (0x0) > > Once I kill off the mailman queue runners and clean up the several lock > files for this mailing list, it runs just fine and manages to empty the > archive queue. > > Two days worth of mailman cron jobs were still stuck in the process > list. > > Supposition: Maybe they were blocked by the list's lockfile? > > So, it seems that the archRunner process went off the deep end > somewhere > between two and three days ago. > > I have the htdig patches for 2.1.3 installed. Which might be > germane... > > -- > Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix > SysAdmin > lambert at lambertfam.org > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From wheakory at isu.edu Tue Nov 4 00:25:15 2003 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:25:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist Automation script Message-ID: <3FA6E3DB.7060107@isu.edu> Question, has anyone developed an automation script that would create a new mailing list and subscribe users to it by reading a file. I need to develop a create that does the above process, where a mailing list and the owner is created by just reading the information provided in a file, (along with the users that need to be subscribed to the new list). This process would continually run in cron. I was planning on writing something, but I didn't know if someone else already have sometime that would save me some time. -- Kory Wheatley Academic Computing Analyst Sr. Phone 282-3874 ######################################### Everything must point to him. From wheakory at isu.edu Tue Nov 4 01:09:53 2003 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:09:53 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist Automation scripts Message-ID: <3FA6EE51.2000302@isu.edu> I left out some details from my last message about creating a list automatically from a file with no manual process involved. I'm running Mailman 2..1.2 on RED HAT 9 using postfix. I've setup postfix to automatically add the new mailing lists attributes to be configured in the alias file with the instruction provided in the install of mailman 2.0, so that portion is already accomplished for automation. I just need the rest automated. -- Kory Wheatley Academic Computing Analyst Sr. Phone 282-3874 ######################################### Everything must point to him. From lists at yggdrasill.net Tue Nov 4 06:04:08 2003 From: lists at yggdrasill.net (Jim Cole) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:04:08 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <52244C2E-0E84-11D8-8469-00039310EE48@yggdrasill.net> On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 12:03 PM, patkins wrote: > The user and group exist: > > group > mailman:x:506: > passwd > mailman:x:506:506::/usr/local/mailman:/dev/null ... > Mailman CGI error!!! > The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being > stored in your syslog: > Failure to find group name mailman. Try adding this group > to your system, or re-run configure, providing an > existing group name with the command line option --with-cgi-gid. Have you tried verifying the group outside of Mailman? For example have you tried executing chgrp on some file using the mailman group? If that works as expected, double check the group associated with the CGI wrappers in Mailman's cgi-bin directory. A quick look at the code seems to imply that either your group file is somehow broken or the group settings are incorrect for one or more of your wrapper files. Jim From paul at thcwd.com Tue Nov 4 07:00:21 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:00:21 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031103234605.086baab8@mail.thcwd.com> Chris Duggan wrote: >Hey there i have recently installed your mialing list onto my site. When i >come to test it i fill in the registration fields it comes up with a "page >cannot be displyed" > >i have put the subscription form here > >www.avrils-angel.com/mailinglist.htm > >Please could you advise us on whats going wrong? we are a little unsure >as to how your list works :/ This is not a Mailman issue. The form points to http://216.171.65.115/mailman/subscribe/listname_domain.com . Not only does that page not exist, but even the IP # does not resolve. The general format of where to point the form is /mailman/subscribe/. If you go to the list information page the server will be what is after "://" and before "/mailman". The listname will be what is after "listinfo/" . And if you have no idea what I'm saying, you are in over your head ;-) <>< Paul From simon at caperet.com Tue Nov 4 09:26:23 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:26:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving to mailman from ezmlm In-Reply-To: <3FA6C181.609@best-off.org> References: <1067854896.5a3ce47640987@toaster.best-off.org> <1067892664.5154.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FA6C181.609@best-off.org> Message-ID: <20031104082623.GA6372@mtds.com> 03-Nov-03 at 21:58, Daniel S. Reichenbach (dsr at best-off.org) wrote : > >Pipermail (the archiver used in Mailman) creates its html archives from > >an Mbox style mailbox file. If ezmlm has a similar format, then it's > >easily done. > actually it's not an mbox file. It uses the Maildir+ format. > So it will be a conversion road. Okay then I'll search. I have a tool I cooked up in PERL to convert a Maildir-like format (some proprietary webmail format akin to maildir) to mailbox; there are probably other tools out there but if you're stuck I'd be happy to send it on to you, you would be able to alter it easily if you needed to cover anything unusual about date formats and so on. -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From simon at caperet.com Tue Nov 4 09:40:32 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:40:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Can't Subscribe To My List In-Reply-To: <006801c3a254$9533ac10$6901a8c0@ism.can.ibm.com> References: <006801c3a254$9533ac10$6901a8c0@ism.can.ibm.com> Message-ID: <20031104084032.GC6372@mtds.com> 03-Nov-03 at 16:51, Rejean Proulx (rejp at rogers.com) wrote : > I just installed mailman and set up a mailing list. When I try to > send a subscribe message locally, here is what I get. What have I > forgotten to do? > > The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was > rejected by the server. The rejected e-mail address was > 'blindetext-request at interfree.ca'. Subject '', Account: 'rejean', > Server: 'interfree.ca', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '451 Cannot > check at this time - please try > later', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 451, Error Number: > 0x800CCC79 That's your server rejecting the message... not Mailman, but the MTA (Exim? procmail?) This looked similar to your problem, but I'm guessing here http://www.exim.org/pipermail/exim-users/Week-of-Mon-20000522/018288.html Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From simon at caperet.com Tue Nov 4 09:46:41 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:46:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist Automation scripts In-Reply-To: <3FA6EE51.2000302@isu.edu> References: <3FA6EE51.2000302@isu.edu> Message-ID: <20031104084641.GD6372@mtds.com> 03-Nov-03 at 17:09, Kory Wheatley (wheakory at isu.edu) wrote : > I left out some details from my last message about creating a list > automatically from a file with no manual process involved. > > I'm running Mailman 2..1.2 on RED HAT 9 using postfix. I've setup > postfix to automatically add the new mailing lists attributes to be > configured in the alias file with the instruction provided in the > install of mailman 2.0, so that portion is already accomplished for > automation. > I just need the rest automated. Here's what I have: - A couple of scripts in PHP for automatic subscribe/unsubscribe on web pages, without the whole confirmation / password thing (you can use them on a site that isn't even hosted on the same machine as Mailman if you use a bit of ncftpput/rsync to get the files up over to the Mailman machine) - A couple of bash scripts to take the files generated by the PHP scripts and each night subscribe and unsubscribe those people in the list and report by email success / failure However the list creation part I always do manually. Let me know if the rest is any use to you... Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From dsr at best-off.org Tue Nov 4 10:00:29 2003 From: dsr at best-off.org (Daniel S. Reichenbach) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:00:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving to mailman from ezmlm In-Reply-To: <20031104082623.GA6372@mtds.com> References: <1067854896.5a3ce47640987@toaster.best-off.org> <1067892664.5154.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3FA6C181.609@best-off.org> <20031104082623.GA6372@mtds.com> Message-ID: <3FA76AAD.8040401@best-off.org> Hi Simon, > I have a tool I cooked up in PERL to convert a Maildir-like format (some > proprietary webmail format akin to maildir) to mailbox; there are > probably other tools out there but if you're stuck I'd be happy to send > it on to you, you would be able to alter it easily if you needed to > cover anything unusual about date formats and so on. that would be pretty nice, cause I didn't find any solution yet in the lisr archive. Daniel -- best off info at best-off.org One company. One profession. http://www.best-off.org/ Marie-Calm-Str. 25 Phone +49 561 920 37 48 34131 Kassel Fax +49 561 920 37 49 Germany Mobile +49 178 474 20 63 From huston at astro.princeton.edu Tue Nov 4 15:13:16 2003 From: huston at astro.princeton.edu (Steve Huston) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:13:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists && approvals Message-ID: <08F06049-0ED1-11D8-B0B9-000393B60E0A@astro.princeton.edu> I have a mild inconvenience here, and was wondering if there's a simple way around it. For our department, I have setup lists for each class of users (undergraduates, grad students, faculty, etc), and an umbrella list to cover all the users. There are some mails that are sent out to the all users list by 3rd parties (ie, a calendar of upcoming talks in different departments and such), and usually those mails are sent out with each recipient in the BCC field so we never see any recipients; sometimes, however, the person sends them out with each user in the To: field, and the mails get held because of too many recipients. Now, this wouldn't be too big of a deal, except that approving the mail through the web interface on the umbrella list causes 7 mails to come to me and the other list admin, each for the same message but in a different list which is subscribed to the all users list. So I have to approve the same mail 8 times. The web interface doesn't seem to have any decent way around this, but I was wondering if there's some trick I can do? Put the "Approved" header in the mail twice, so it's removed the first time and used the second time for the sub lists? Maybe adding a check box to the admin database pages that says "Approve this mail for sub-lists" or something, which might require some extra hacking so that the Approved: header isn't accidentally sent out to a user. Yes, I could be a BOFH and bounce the mails right back to the sender, but I'd rather not be that harsh. The sender is aware of the issue, but everybody makes mistakes now and then :> -- Steve Huston - Unix Systems Admin, Dept. of Astrophysical Sciences Princeton University | ICBM Address: 40.346525 -74.651285 126 Peyton Hall |"On my ship, the Rocinante, wheeling through Princeton, NJ 08544 | the galaxies; headed for the heart of Cygnus, (609) 258-7375 | headlong into mystery." -Rush, 'Cygnus X-1' From patkins at killinglyschools.org Tue Nov 4 15:19:14 2003 From: patkins at killinglyschools.org (patkins) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:19:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error Message-ID: Jim, Thanks for the help! I changed all the files in the cgi-bin to both root and mailman just to see if I could execute the files properly and neither worked. I compiled three different times using various flags to set guid, user, group etc. Nothing I do seems to fix this problem. Keep in mind the lists work perfectly! I just can't use the web admins. -p On 03/Nov/2003 22:04:08, Jim Cole wrote: > On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 12:03 PM, patkins wrote: > > > The user and group exist: > > > > group > mailman:x:506: > > passwd > mailman:x:506:506::/usr/local/mailman:/dev/null > .... > > Mailman CGI error!!! > > The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being > > stored in your syslog: > > Failure to find group name mailman. Try adding this group > > to your system, or re-run configure, providing an > > existing group name with the command line option --with-cgi-gid. > > Have you tried verifying the group outside of Mailman? For example have > you tried executing chgrp on some file using the mailman group? If that > works as expected, double check the group associated with the CGI > wrappers in Mailman's cgi-bin directory. A quick look at the code seems > to imply that either your group file is somehow broken or the group > settings are incorrect for one or more of your wrapper files. > > Jim > > > From fuzzy at pooh.ASARian.org Tue Nov 4 15:25:43 2003 From: fuzzy at pooh.ASARian.org (Fuzzy) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:25:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] ongoing problem with pickle file Message-ID: Every night when the daily jobs run I get this error from everything using 'list_lists'. This also fails when run from the console, (logged in as the mailman user). How do I repair the file, so the scripts will run correctly? FreeBSD 4.7-release Mailman 2.1b5 Python 2.2.1 Sendmail 8.12.6 Apache 1.3.23 Thanks in advance. -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Fuzzy, \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | ASARian.org X - NO Word docs in e-mail | fuzzy @ ASARian.org / \ >From mailman at pooh.ASARian.org Tue Nov 4 09:18:34 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 03:27:03 -0500 (EST) From: Cron Daemon To: mailman at pooh.ASARian.org Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 154, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 110, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 570, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 543, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) cPickle.UnpicklingError: member is not safe for unpickling Bug in Mailman version 2.1b5 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 61, in main admin_overview() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 228, in admin_overview mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 570, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 543, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) UnpicklingError: member is not safe for unpickling ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.1 (#1, Oct 19 2002, 20:21:25) [GCC 2.95.4 20020320 [FreeBSD]] sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python sys.prefix /usr/local sys.exec_prefix /usr/local sys.path /usr/local sys.platform freebsd4 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Environment variables: Variable Value PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.23 (Unix) PHP/4.1.2 SERVER_ADMIN webmaster at pooh.asarian.org SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.23 Server at pooh.asarian.org Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD GET HTTP_HOST localhost SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin HTTP_ACCEPT */* us-ascii, ISO-8859-1, ISO-8859-2, ISO-8859-4, ISO-8895-5, ISO-8859-7, ISO-8895-9, ISO-8859-13, HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-15, ISO-8859-16, windows-1250, windows-1251, windows-1257, cp437, cp737, cp850, cp852, cp866, x-cp866-u, x-mac, x-mac-ce, x-kam-cs, koi8-r, koi8-u, TCVN-5712, VISCII, utf-8 HTTP_USER_AGENT ELinks (0.4pre5; FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE i386; 80x25) HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive SERVER_NAME pooh.asarian.org REMOTE_ADDR 127.0.0.1 REMOTE_PORT 2438 SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 SERVER_ADDR 127.0.0.1 DOCUMENT_ROOT /http/htdocs From mailman at rixhq.nu Tue Nov 4 16:54:33 2003 From: mailman at rixhq.nu (Ricardo Kustner) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:54:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman & AOL's "Client TOS notification" Message-ID: <3FA7CBB9.4040408@rixhq.nu> Hi, My ISP has been forwarding me a batch of complaints from AOL users, which apparantly are complaints about receiving spam. I guess it's coming dumb AOL users who have no idea that they subscribed to the discussions at their own request so that they should take care of it themself if they want to unsubscribe. Are there any other mailmain admins here who also get alot of complaints through AOL? Any tips on what I can do about it before my server and possibly ISP gets blacklisted? I can't even figure out the recipient of most of the messages since the mailinglist doesn't include the "To:" address (and I don't plan on changing my mailman config just for that) and the report doesn't mention from whom it's coming. The messages all have the subject "{SPAM?} Client TOS Notification" TIA... Regards, Ricardo. From khera at kcilink.com Tue Nov 4 17:15:54 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:15:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman & AOL's "Client TOS notification" In-Reply-To: <3FA7CBB9.4040408@rixhq.nu> References: <3FA7CBB9.4040408@rixhq.nu> Message-ID: <16295.53434.702069.802580@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "RK" == Ricardo Kustner writes: RK> My ISP has been forwarding me a batch of complaints from AOL users, RK> which apparantly are complaints about receiving spam. I guess it's What kind of quantities are you talking here? >From my experience, AOL's alarms don't really go off until you reach something like 200+ such notices per day, which is easy to do with a large list. RK> coming dumb AOL users who have no idea that they subscribed to the RK> discussions at their own request so that they should take care of it RK> themself if they want to unsubscribe. AOL knows that people use it as an "unsubscribe" button. We've asked everyone we could think of there that they should really add an "unsubscribe" button for those sites with whom they have their third party agreement (ie, those that get these notices), but apparently they don't think that is a good idea. RK> Are there any other mailmain admins here who also get alot of complaints RK> through AOL? Any tips on what I can do about it before my server and RK> possibly ISP gets blacklisted? You can always call up AOL and tell them that your lists are all confirmed opt-in, and see what they say.... RK> I can't even figure out the recipient of most of the messages since the RK> mailinglist doesn't include the "To:" address (and I don't plan on Turn on VERP for each message delivery. Don't expect AOL to change the way they notify you to make it any easier. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera at kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ From chuqui at plaidworks.com Tue Nov 4 17:37:23 2003 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:37:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman & AOL's "Client TOS notification" In-Reply-To: <3FA7CBB9.4040408@rixhq.nu> References: <3FA7CBB9.4040408@rixhq.nu> Message-ID: <2AC928BC-0EE5-11D8-BB8C-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> anyone on any of my lists who files a spam complaint against my mail list gets unsubscribed. when they resubscribe and complain about being dropped, they get The Lecture and The Warning. If they send a second round of spam complaints, they get unsubscribed and banned. Funny, AOL users learn quickly once it's in their best interest to use the software right. Well, except for one or two. Now, I'm not happy I have to spend my time teaching AOL users how to use their software properly because it's badly designed and AOL doesn't teach then, but.... I had an extreme case of this last week. A user filed about five spam complaints with AOL against one of my lists. I unsubscribed her. She resubscribed immediately without sending any email at all. So I sent her the Lecture and the Warning via email. that bounced because of her address book sendings. So she got unsubscribed again to get her notice, and I SMTP blocked her with a 500 message telling her to contact me via another address. Her response: attempt to subscribe again. The confirmation, of course, was rejected by my server, and that rejection, of course, bounced because of her spam blocking settings. And so we sit. One might think, if stuff like this were happening, to actually e-mail the ADMIN asking what the hell's going on -- but no? And frankly, that's not MY problem. Not any more. Not after all these AOL users doing stupid things because AOL writes software to encourage it... chuq (but I'm not bitter!) On Nov 4, 2003, at 7:54 AM, Ricardo Kustner wrote: > Are there any other mailmain admins here who also get alot of > complaints through AOL? Any tips on what I can do about it before my > server and possibly ISP gets blacklisted? From chuqui at plaidworks.com Tue Nov 4 17:41:30 2003 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:41:30 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman & AOL's "Client TOS notification" In-Reply-To: <16295.53434.702069.802580@yertle.int.kciLink.com> References: <3FA7CBB9.4040408@rixhq.nu> <16295.53434.702069.802580@yertle.int.kciLink.com> Message-ID: don't bother. I've had that discussion. The folks who deal with the TOS messages are trained at the "if the user says it's spam, it must be spam, so what are you going to do about it?" level. they don't want justice, they want quiet. (and I can sympathize at some level, but what a way to run an airline). On the other hand, one of the sites hosted on my machine had installed a copy of formmail.pl that turned out to be insecure (what version isn't?) and after sitting there doing nothing for (literally) 18 months, a spammer found it. And within hours of them turning on the spigot, I was getting TOS warnings, and within five minutes of the first TOS warning, I had that CGI disabled and cleaned up. I'd much rather have to deal with the occasional AOL user who did something without thinking than, well, the alternatives. On Nov 4, 2003, at 8:15 AM, Vivek Khera wrote: > You can always call up AOL and tell them that your lists are all > confirmed opt-in, and see what they say.... From mailman at rixhq.nu Tue Nov 4 17:54:56 2003 From: mailman at rixhq.nu (Ricardo Kustner) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:54:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman & AOL's "Client TOS notification" In-Reply-To: <2AC928BC-0EE5-11D8-BB8C-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> References: <3FA7CBB9.4040408@rixhq.nu> <2AC928BC-0EE5-11D8-BB8C-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> Message-ID: <3FA7D9E0.9010601@rixhq.nu> Hi, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > anyone on any of my lists who files a spam complaint against my mail > list gets unsubscribed. when they resubscribe and complain about being > dropped, they get The Lecture and The Warning. If they send a second > round of spam complaints, they get unsubscribed and banned. I wish I could do that: my current mailman setup doesn't put the user's address in the "To:" address and since those wonderful AOL reports only include the original message, I can't tell from who it is coming!! A few of them were those monthly reminders, so I could get the email addr from there, but most of them were regular list and digest posts :( So my current situation is that my ISP is risking to get blacklisted and I can't do anything about it except for shutting down the lists or remove & block all AOL users :( Regards, Ricardo. > > I had an extreme case of this last week. A user filed about five spam > complaints with AOL against one of my lists. I unsubscribed her. She > resubscribed immediately without sending any email at all. So I sent her > the Lecture and the Warning via email. that bounced because of her > address book sendings. So she got unsubscribed again to get her notice, > and I SMTP blocked her with a 500 message telling her to contact me via > another address. > > Her response: attempt to subscribe again. The confirmation, of course, > was rejected by my server, and that rejection, of course, bounced > because of her spam blocking settings. And so we sit. One might think, > if stuff like this were happening, to actually e-mail the ADMIN asking > what the hell's going on -- but no? > > And frankly, that's not MY problem. Not any more. Not after all these > AOL users doing stupid things because AOL writes software to encourage > it... > > chuq (but I'm not bitter!) > > > On Nov 4, 2003, at 7:54 AM, Ricardo Kustner wrote: > >> Are there any other mailmain admins here who also get alot of >> complaints through AOL? Any tips on what I can do about it before my >> server and possibly ISP gets blacklisted? > > > > . > From sysmda at zim.gsu.edu Tue Nov 4 18:17:15 2003 From: sysmda at zim.gsu.edu (Mike Alberghini) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:17:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] optionsurl not using full domain In-Reply-To: <20031031133418.A19825@zim.gsu.edu>; from sysmda@zim.gsu.edu on Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 01:34:18PM -0500 References: <20031031133418.A19825@zim.gsu.edu> Message-ID: <20031104121715.A12905@zim.gsu.edu> I figured out what was going wrong. If I go to http://mailbox.gsu.edu/mailman/create to create a new list, then the links sent out in the emails are correct and have the full domain name. however, if I go to http://mailbox/mailman/create, then the lists will only have mailman as the domain name for the server. I've submitted a bug on this. On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 01:34:18PM -0500, Mike Alberghini wrote: > For some reason my new subscriber messages are going out with only > my hostname, not the full domain name in the urls. > > For example the welcome messages tells people to click > > http://mailbox/mailman/listinfo/galileo > > instead of > > http://mailbox.gsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/galileo > > I can't find a way to set the optionsurl variable to the full domain name. > > Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > -- > Michael Alberghini > Software Systems Engineer > Georgia State University > mike at gsu.edu > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: sysmda at zim.gsu.edu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/sysmda%40zim.gsu.edu -- Michael Alberghini Software Systems Engineer Georgia State University mike at gsu.edu From khera at kcilink.com Tue Nov 4 18:33:57 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:33:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman & AOL's "Client TOS notification" In-Reply-To: <3FA7D9E0.9010601@rixhq.nu> References: <3FA7CBB9.4040408@rixhq.nu> <2AC928BC-0EE5-11D8-BB8C-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> <3FA7D9E0.9010601@rixhq.nu> Message-ID: <16295.58117.18218.298554@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "RK" == Ricardo Kustner writes: RK> So my current situation is that my ISP is risking to get blacklisted and RK> I can't do anything about it except for shutting down the lists or RK> remove & block all AOL users :( Yes, they are at risk. You had better find a way to unsubscribe those folk. VERP is a good start. From kschroeder at mirageworks.com Tue Nov 4 18:33:11 2003 From: kschroeder at mirageworks.com (Kevin Schroeder) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:33:11 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not forwarding Message-ID: <105001c3a2f9$b85c50c0$0200a8c0@WORKSTATION> Hello, I've run into an issue that I'm hoping someone can help me with. I installed Mailman using the RPM file on a RedHat Linux machine. The install went fine except that I was getting a "Group Mismatch Error". Since I didn't want to change the group that Sendmail ran under I decided to remove the existing Mailman installation and install via the tgz file. I compiled it with the --with-mail-gid option and now I don't get any errors, but I don't get any messages either. The message (or subscription request) just seem to vanish once the server runs the mailman wrapper, whether it's running post, join or whatever. Nothing shows up in the Sendmail logs or the Mailman logs. Anybody have any ideas why this would happen and what I can do to fix it? Thanks Kevin From chuqui at plaidworks.com Tue Nov 4 18:36:58 2003 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:36:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman & AOL's "Client TOS notification" In-Reply-To: <3FA7D9E0.9010601@rixhq.nu> References: <3FA7CBB9.4040408@rixhq.nu> <2AC928BC-0EE5-11D8-BB8C-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> <3FA7D9E0.9010601@rixhq.nu> Message-ID: <7DB3B906-0EED-11D8-B562-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> On Nov 4, 2003, at 8:54 AM, Ricardo Kustner wrote: > I wish I could do that: my current mailman setup doesn't put the > user's address in the "To:" address and since those wonderful AOL > reports only include the original message, I can't tell from who it is > coming!! upgrade to 2.1, turn on personalization, put the email into the footer. As in: >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> ott-senators mailing list (ott-senators at plaidworks.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://www.plaidworks.com/mailman/options/ott-senators/ >> chuqui%40plaidworks.com >> >> This email sent to chuqui at plaidworks.com The mailman config for that footer is: _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. %(real_name)s mailing list (%(real_name)s@%(host_name)s) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s From valites at geneseo.edu Mon Nov 3 22:19:47 2003 From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:19:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Umbrella-Like List Approvals for Moderated List Message-ID: (Please cc me on reply as I am not currently a list member...) Here at my institution, I have one list that is periodically synched from cron with all staff member e-mail addresses. Any request or subscription attempt from a non-staff e-mail address is rejected. All posts to the list must be approved. The list setup has worked well for the last several years, but recently some non-staff members are interested in some of the list content. The folks in places higher than I mandated the creation of a second list, which is a member of and should receive all posts to the first list, and not allow any other posts. Anyone is welcome to subscribe to this list. Passwd reminders are disabled for the first list in case anyone is wonders... I'm trying with very little success to make any messages approved from the first (parent) list make their way to all members of the second (child) list without any intervention from the moderator. I've set up a simple regex to accept any posting from a non-member address within my domain and also a line for the motherlist-request-l address, but still no go... I've even go to far as to set 'generic_nonmember_action' to 'accept', but I continue to get mail to the moderator telling me the message is being held for approval. More specifically, I get: List: problemlist-l at mydomain.edu From: @mydomain.edu Subject: [MotherList-L] The Subject Reason: Message has implicit destination I feel I'm missing something terribly trivial. Could someone point out the error of my ways? Thanks in advance, -Mark -- Mark T. Valites Unix Systems Analyst CIT - SUNY Geneseo >--))> >--))> From rejean at interfree.ca Mon Nov 3 22:47:22 2003 From: rejean at interfree.ca (Rejean Proulx) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:47:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't Subscribe To My List Message-ID: <005901c3a254$0ff2d170$6901a8c0@ism.can.ibm.com> I just installed mailman and set up a mailing list. When I try to send a subscribe message locally, here is what I get. What have I forgotten to do? The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by the server. The rejected e-mail address was 'blindetext-request at interfree.ca'. Subject '', Account: 'rejean', Server: 'interfree.ca', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '451 Cannot check at this time - please try later', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 451, Error Number: 0x800CCC79 Rejean Proulx Visit my family at http://interfree.ca MSN is: rejp at rogers.com Ham License VA3REJ From berkman at aepizeta.org Tue Nov 4 02:25:29 2003 From: berkman at aepizeta.org (Scott Berkman) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:25:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Not Found after upgrade to newest version Message-ID: <200311040127.hA41R6H5019038@epsilon> Hello, I run mailman on a Redhat machine, installed by up2date. Everything seems to work fine, including web interfaces, and listing the lists. When a message is sent to a list, an error mail is bounced back saying: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post Test" (reason: 1) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- post script, list not found: test 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 I run sendmail as my MTA, and everything works fine with that. Here is a sample entry in my aliases file: test: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test" test-admin: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin test" test-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test" test-confirm: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test" test-join: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join test" test-leave: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave test" test-owner: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner test" test-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request test" test-subscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test" test-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test" The list is officially named "Test" as listed by bin/list_lists, but I tried both test and Test in the aliases file, with no change. I am of course running newaliases whenever changing the aliases file. Thank you for any help and ideas, also, please respond to me directly. -Scott ----------------------------------------------------- Scott Berkman gte999p berkman at aepizeta.org AIM-SB523 (404)873-4708 http://www.aepizeta.org/~codine From esmith442 at comcast.net Tue Nov 4 05:38:33 2003 From: esmith442 at comcast.net (Ellen) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:38:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of Subscribers Message-ID: <005101c3a28d$80f627d0$a27ba8c0@EllenDell> How can I get a list of subscribers from my mailing list? I can see the names in the membership list management, but I don't know how to print them out so I can see all the names at one time. Can you help? Thanks, Ellen From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Tue Nov 4 19:50:58 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:50:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman & AOL's "Client TOS notification" In-Reply-To: <16295.58117.18218.298554@yertle.int.kciLink.com> References: <3FA7CBB9.4040408@rixhq.nu> <2AC928BC-0EE5-11D8-BB8C-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> <3FA7D9E0.9010601@rixhq.nu> <16295.58117.18218.298554@yertle.int.kciLink.com> Message-ID: <20031104185058.GH25766@hq.newdream.net> On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:33:57PM -0500, Vivek Khera wrote: > Ricardo Kustner writes: > > > So my current situation is that my ISP is risking to get blacklisted and > > I can't do anything about it except for shutting down the lists or > > remove & block all AOL users :( > Yes, they are at risk. You had better find a way to unsubscribe those > folk. VERP is a good start. Realistically, though, the threshold is generally pretty high -- it takes a good amount of mail marked as spam before AOL will block you (although there is some evidence to suggest that once a certain number of identical messages have been marked as spam, AOL will silently make the rest "disappear"). I get stuff of this sort about our discussion lists via our AOL "feedback loop" all the time. Generally, I just ignore it. AOL subscribers mark *all* kinds of stuff as spam, so I take complaints from the feedback loop with a much larger grain of salt than an actual complaint sent to the abuse box. Just explain to your ISP that the subscribers added themselves via a closed loop verification process (assuming they did) and that whatever AOL subscriber is marking the messages as spam has s**t for brains. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Tue Nov 4 19:52:22 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:52:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] personalization (was Re: mailman & AOL's "Client TOS notification") In-Reply-To: <7DB3B906-0EED-11D8-B562-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> References: <3FA7CBB9.4040408@rixhq.nu> <2AC928BC-0EE5-11D8-BB8C-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> <3FA7D9E0.9010601@rixhq.nu> <7DB3B906-0EED-11D8-B562-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> Message-ID: <20031104185222.GI25766@hq.newdream.net> On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 09:36:58AM -0800, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > On Nov 4, 2003, at 8:54 AM, Ricardo Kustner wrote: > > I wish I could do that: my current mailman setup doesn't put the > > user's address in the "To:" address and since those wonderful AOL > > reports only include the original message, I can't tell from who it is > > coming!! > upgrade to 2.1, turn on personalization, put the email into the footer. > As in: Speaking of this, is there a way to disable this on a per-user basis? Do we *really* need this "feature" on the mailman-users list? Does anyone actually find it helpful? -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From chuqui at plaidworks.com Tue Nov 4 19:55:43 2003 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:55:43 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] personalization (was Re: mailman & AOL's "Client TOS notification") In-Reply-To: <20031104185222.GI25766@hq.newdream.net> References: <3FA7CBB9.4040408@rixhq.nu> <2AC928BC-0EE5-11D8-BB8C-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> <3FA7D9E0.9010601@rixhq.nu> <7DB3B906-0EED-11D8-B562-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> <20031104185222.GI25766@hq.newdream.net> Message-ID: <7DF3779B-0EF8-11D8-B562-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> On Nov 4, 2003, at 10:52 AM, Will Yardley wrote: > Do we *really* need this "feature" on the mailman-users list? Does > anyone actually find it helpful? > god, yes. Please don't assume everyone on your lists is a geek with perfect memory of which email address got signed up for what list when. From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Tue Nov 4 19:58:05 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:58:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] personalization (was Re: mailman & AOL's "Client TOS notification") In-Reply-To: <7DF3779B-0EF8-11D8-B562-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> References: <3FA7CBB9.4040408@rixhq.nu> <2AC928BC-0EE5-11D8-BB8C-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> <3FA7D9E0.9010601@rixhq.nu> <7DB3B906-0EED-11D8-B562-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> <20031104185222.GI25766@hq.newdream.net> <7DF3779B-0EF8-11D8-B562-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> Message-ID: <20031104185805.GJ25766@hq.newdream.net> On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 10:55:43AM -0800, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > On Nov 4, 2003, at 10:52 AM, Will Yardley wrote: > > Do we *really* need this "feature" on the mailman-users list? Does > > anyone actually find it helpful? > god, yes. Please don't assume everyone on your lists is a geek with > perfect memory of which email address got signed up for what list when. I'd like to assume (perhaps wrongly) that most people on *this* list can figure out what address a message was sent to by looking at the headers of the email.... -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From johnslists at mcswartz.org Tue Nov 4 20:12:57 2003 From: johnslists at mcswartz.org (John Swartzentruber) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:12:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] personalization (was Re: mailman & AOL's "Client TOS notification") In-Reply-To: <20031104185805.GJ25766@hq.newdream.net> Message-ID: <200311041912.hA4JCvBn030220@arthur.swartz.primatech.com> On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:58:05 -0800, Will Yardley wrote: >> > Do we *really* need this "feature" on the mailman-users list? Does >> > anyone actually find it helpful? > >I'd like to assume (perhaps wrongly) that most people on *this* list can >figure out what address a message was sent to by looking at the headers >of the email.... That takes care of the "*really* need" part, but nevertheless, I'm sure many of us find it quite helpful when we want to suspend delivery for awhile. I could figure out how to get to my page without the link in the message, but a simple single click on it makes life easier. From chuqui at plaidworks.com Tue Nov 4 20:18:02 2003 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:18:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] personalization (was Re: mailman & AOL's "Client TOS notification") In-Reply-To: <20031104185805.GJ25766@hq.newdream.net> References: <3FA7CBB9.4040408@rixhq.nu> <2AC928BC-0EE5-11D8-BB8C-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> <3FA7D9E0.9010601@rixhq.nu> <7DB3B906-0EED-11D8-B562-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> <20031104185222.GI25766@hq.newdream.net> <7DF3779B-0EF8-11D8-B562-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> <20031104185805.GJ25766@hq.newdream.net> Message-ID: <9BC24684-0EFB-11D8-B562-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> bad assumption. On Nov 4, 2003, at 10:58 AM, Will Yardley wrote: > I'd like to assume (perhaps wrongly) that most people on *this* list > can > figure out what address a message was sent to by looking at the headers > of the email.... From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Nov 4 20:43:00 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:43:00 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Not Found after upgrade to newest version In-Reply-To: <200311040127.hA41R6H5019038@epsilon> Message-ID: <1923A2FC-0EFF-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 01:25 am, Scott Berkman wrote: > Hello, > I run mailman on a Redhat machine, installed by up2date. Everything > seems to work fine, including web interfaces, and listing the lists. > When a > message is sent to a list, an error mail is bounced back saying: > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post Test" > (reason: 1) > (expanded from: ) > MM's $prefix/scripts/post delivery script is terminating abnormally with an exit code of 1. This may or may not be due to the script not being able to correctly identify the list termination of the post. Take a look at the script, it is only a few lines of simple Python code with comments which say what it is doing. Are there any entries in Mailman's errorlog file ($prefix/logs/error) prefixed with the string post to indicate the nature of the problem? > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- post script, list not > found: > test > 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 > > > I run sendmail as my MTA, and everything works fine with that. > > Here is a sample entry in my aliases file: > > test: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test" > test-admin: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin test" > test-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test" > test-confirm: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test" > test-join: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join test" > test-leave: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave test" > test-owner: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner test" > test-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request test" > test-subscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test" > test-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test" > > The list is officially named "Test" as listed by bin/list_lists, but I > tried > both test and Test in the aliases file, with no change. I am of course > running newaliases whenever changing the aliases file. > > Thank you for any help and ideas, also, please respond to me > directly. > > -Scott > > ----------------------------------------------------- > Scott Berkman gte999p berkman at aepizeta.org AIM-SB523 > (404)873-4708 http://www.aepizeta.org/~codine > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk > From pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co Tue Nov 4 21:02:38 2003 From: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co (Pablo Chamorro C.) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:02:38 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of Subscribers In-Reply-To: <005101c3a28d$80f627d0$a27ba8c0@EllenDell> Message-ID: bin/list_members -h Pablo On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Ellen wrote: > How can I get a list of subscribers from my mailing list? I can see the > names in the membership list management, but I don't know how to print > them out so I can see all the names at one time. > > Can you help? > > Thanks, > Ellen > ------------------------------------------------------ From moochie at ondercin.com Tue Nov 4 21:15:21 2003 From: moochie at ondercin.com (M Ondercin) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:15:21 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL Issues Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031103144312.01666d00@192.168.1.42> Hallo, I've seen some discussion problems with AOL in the archives that mentions other people having problems with bouncebacks from AOL. I am randomly getting this back from AOL at which point 90% of my AOL listers are bounced off of my list. ------- (reason: 554 TRANSACTION FAILED 554 AOL will not accept delivery of this message) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mailin-04.mx.aol.com.: >>> DATA <<< 554 TRANSACTION FAILED 554 AOL will not accept delivery of this message 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable 451 4.4.1 reply: read error from mx3.hotmail.com. Reporting-MTA: dns; frnk.ondercin.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; frnk Arrival-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:12:35 -0700 Final-Recipient: RFC822; xxxx at aol.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Remote-MTA: DNS; mailin-04.mx.aol.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 554 TRANSACTION FAILED 554 AOL will not accept delivery of this message Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:12:47 -0700 Does anyone have a clue what in the heck this message actually means? I haven't been able to find info on this anywhere and we've had no response from their admin addresses so far about it. Thanks ----- M Ondercin moochie at ondercin.com Owner Friesian-L Mail me for info on Friesian-L or visit http://ondercin.com/FriesianL/ From mailman at rixhq.nu Tue Nov 4 21:53:02 2003 From: mailman at rixhq.nu (Ricardo Kustner) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:53:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman & AOL's "Client TOS notification" Message-ID: <3FA811AE.6060001@rixhq.nu> thanks for all the suggestions... yes I'm aware of the personalization option in 2.1; I'm already using it for a lower volume list. my ISP is especially jumpy about this because they had a recent experience of being blocked by AOL for 12 hours with AOL refusing to explain the exact reason. I'm not too happy about having to enable personalization for this list because I don't want to use unnecesary more resources... but it looks like I don't have much choice :( > Just explain to your ISP that the subscribers added themselves via a > closed loop verification process (assuming they did) and that whatever > AOL subscriber is marking the messages as spam has s**t for brains. Luckily my ISP is smart enough to know I can't do that much about it, so I don't have to explain it. Still, they are at risk so I can understand they are worried. Regards, Ricardo. From alexis at attla.net.ar Tue Nov 4 22:06:54 2003 From: alexis at attla.net.ar (Alexis) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:06:54 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authorized subscribers get their messages on hold Message-ID: <1067980013.12399.4.camel@skinner.baicom.com> Mailmain 2.1.3 RedHat 9 Qmail installed from source Ive created some distribution lists and configured those lists like the faq shows, in a test list everything works fine. In production lists, when an authorized (non moderated) subscriber sends an email, this messages keeps on hold waiting for approval. I need this users sending msgs to the distribution lists without any restriction, thats why those lists are hour news. Any help please? Thanks in advance From mailman at rixhq.nu Tue Nov 4 22:14:05 2003 From: mailman at rixhq.nu (Ricardo Kustner) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:14:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: personalization Message-ID: <3FA8169D.7060204@rixhq.nu> sorry for the lack of quoting, but I was subscribed to the digest version of mailman-users, so I can't easily reply to individual messages. Anyway I just found out that personalization will only solve half my problem: the list also does digest delivery, and personalization only works for non-digest delivery :( PS: I sent out an informational message to my list (using the Urgent: header... Mailman has great features) with extra information about how to unsubscribe (in case they can't read the last few lines of every message send every day) and guess what they do? Yes... they also report THAT email as spam to AOL... aarghhhh.... Ricardo. From matthew at nnacorp.com Tue Nov 4 23:06:54 2003 From: matthew at nnacorp.com (Matthew Kitchin) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:06:54 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] startup error Message-ID: <215f01c3a31f$f4dfb0c0$3e14010a@nna.imrac.net> Hello, I have an older redhat box running mailman and sendmail that I am replacing. I have built a new redhat 9 box with postfix and mailman installed during the initial OS installation. I can't get mailman to startup properly. It appears to me running 2.1 running [root at mail root]# /sbin/service mailman start Returns this: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? main() File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main check_privs() File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found Can anyone tell me how to go about fixing this? Thanks, Matthew From i.bapty at student.umist.ac.uk Tue Nov 4 23:14:00 2003 From: i.bapty at student.umist.ac.uk (Iain Bapty) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:14:00 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives Apache Config Problem In-Reply-To: <1067858989.3fa63c2d4d2c0@webmail1.umist.ac.uk> References: <1067858989.3fa63c2d4d2c0@webmail1.umist.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3FA824A8.9080005@student.umist.ac.uk> Can anyone help me with this? Or am I doing something obviously wrong? Thanks Iain Iain Bapty wrote: >Hey, > >I'm having problems getting to the archives on my localmachine after setting up >a new machine. Getting a 403. > >Inspect the log shows that apache is missing a / in the path to the archives > >E.g. > >[Mon Nov 03 12:01:08 2003] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] client denied by server >configuration: /usr/local/mailman/archives/publictestlist > >when trying to acces http://localhost/pipermail/testlist >Admin sceens (http://localhost/mailman/ etc) work fine. > >My apache config is > >alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/ > > > Options FollowSymLinks > Allow from all > Order allow,deny > > >Any ideas? > >Thanks > >Iain > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: i.bapty at student.umist.ac.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/i.bapty%40student.umist.ac.uk > > > From aland at burngreave.net Tue Nov 4 23:20:11 2003 From: aland at burngreave.net (Alan Dawson) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:20:11 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit welcome e-mail text Message-ID: <1067984411.3fa8261ba7602@springnight.burngreave.net> Hi, I'm running mailman version 2.1.2 Is it possible to edit the Welcome e-mail on a per list basis? The problem is, of the lists we host some are announce only, and so cannot be posted to. But the welcome message says "To post to this list, send your email to:" which is incorrect for this particular list ( but not for all) So .. can I change the welcome e-mail txt on a per list basis ( rather than for the complete installation ) or is there another way of dealing with this problem. Thanks AED -- "Ideas improve. The meaning of words participates in the improvement. Plagiarism is necessary. Progress implies it. It embraces an author's phrase, makes use of his expressions, erases a false idea, and replaces it with the right idea. " ------------------------------------------------- E-mail provided by the Burngreave Community Network http://www.burngreave.net From adamalex at nerim.net Wed Nov 5 00:32:38 2003 From: adamalex at nerim.net (adamalex at nerim.net) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 00:32:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error In-Reply-To: <52244C2E-0E84-11D8-8469-00039310EE48@yggdrasill.net> References: <52244C2E-0E84-11D8-8469-00039310EE48@yggdrasill.net> Message-ID: <4580.213.41.134.103.1067988758.squirrel@webmail.nerim.net> > On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 12:03 PM, patkins wrote: > >> The user and group exist: >> >> group > mailman:x:506: >> passwd > mailman:x:506:506::/usr/local/mailman:/dev/null > ... >> Mailman CGI error!!! >> The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being >> stored in your syslog: >> Failure to find group name mailman. Try adding this group >> to your system, or re-run configure, providing an >> existing group name with the command line option --with-cgi-gid. > > Have you tried verifying the group outside of Mailman? For example have > you tried executing chgrp on some file using the mailman group? If that > works as expected, double check the group associated with the CGI > wrappers in Mailman's cgi-bin directory. A quick look at the code seems > to imply that either your group file is somehow broken or the group > settings are incorrect for one or more of your wrapper files. > > Jim hi, I've a problem with the wrapper too. Could you tell me where are the wrapper configuration files ? My problem is mailman can not read the wrapper configuration files. Regards, Alex. From pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co Wed Nov 5 01:18:19 2003 From: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co (Pablo Chamorro C.) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:18:19 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit welcome e-mail text In-Reply-To: <1067984411.3fa8261ba7602@springnight.burngreave.net> Message-ID: I think the answer is in: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.11 How to create a customized welcome message that avoids mentioning how to post to the list: In Mailman 2.1.x you can customize the welcome message. Create a directory lists//en (assuming English :) and copy templates/subscribeack.txt to this directory. Then edit this file for your specific wording. Mailman will use this specialized template for the English welcome messages. Pablo > Hi, > > I'm running mailman version 2.1.2 > > Is it possible to edit the Welcome e-mail on a per list basis? > > The problem is, of the lists we host some are announce only, and so cannot be > posted to. But the welcome message says > > "To post to this list, send your email to:" > > which is incorrect for this particular list ( but not for all) > > So .. can I change the welcome e-mail txt on a per list basis ( rather than > for the complete installation ) or is there another way of dealing with this > problem. Thanks > > AED > -- From tech-mail at prupref.com Wed Nov 5 01:58:20 2003 From: tech-mail at prupref.com (McKeever Chris) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:58:20 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments - PDF Issue Message-ID: <200311050058.hA50wKj10960@smtp1.prupref.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031104/dba8bf27/attachment.pot From tech-mail at prupref.com Wed Nov 5 02:07:50 2003 From: tech-mail at prupref.com (McKeever Chris) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:07:50 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments - PDF Issue In-Reply-To: <200311050058.hA50wKj10960@smtp1.prupref.com> Message-ID: <200311050107.hA517oj11006@smtp1.prupref.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031104/91e318e9/attachment.asc From randy.foo at hp.com Wed Nov 5 02:14:03 2003 From: randy.foo at hp.com (Foo, Randy) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:14:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't post to list Message-ID: <329CEF4E238E71429500F7A09094745F03B65250@cacexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net> Hi, Another newbie question: Red Hat 9, apache web server 2.0.47, Mailman 2.1.2. compiled from both apache.org and the mailman site source. Sendmail is the MTA I've created a list called "connery," through the web interface, but cannot post to it. I entered the aliases for the list into /etc/aliases, and ran newalias, and even tried putting an alias file in at /etc/mail/aliases. So far, I haven't even gotten a bounce message when trying to post - it's like the mail went into a black hole. I presume the mail servers are probably holding the mail and trying to deliver repeatedly. Sendmail 'seems' to be working, as the list creation mail went *out* ok, but perhaps it's not receiving. Not sure if this is a mailman issue. Am also not versed in sendmail (who is? it's huge!) Any help in fixing this is greatly appreciated. Randy From rsmith at unitec.ac.nz Wed Nov 5 03:24:51 2003 From: rsmith at unitec.ac.nz (Raewyn Smith) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:24:51 +1300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases email for new list Message-ID: I have (apparently) successfully set up Mailman 2.1.3 on my server (RedHat, Sendmail). When I create a new list, a notification goes out to the list owner, and that's fine. However I assume another email should be sent to me (as the mailman administrator) letting me know that the list was created and listing the alises needed to be added to the /etc/aliases file - but I'm not getting that email. >From the REAMDE: - NOTE: If you are using an MTA other than Exim or Postfix (e.g. Sendmail or qmail), then you'll need to do the extra step of installing the mailing list aliases manually. Follow the instructions in an email message that you should have received (you'll need to know how to do this for your particular MTA, see the README for your MTA for more information). I can't find any more information on where this email should be sent to. Is my understanding of what should happen right? What have I not set up correctly? This seems like a related problem - at the bottom of the list creation email sent to the owner of the list is an email address "if you have any problems email mailman-admin at ....". When I try email that address I get a message sent to "mailman-owner at ..." with subject "Uncaught bounce notification". I have set up the aliases for the mailman list and the 'list administrator', of the mailman list is me. What is the difference between mailman-owner and mailman-admin? Where should those addresses come from. Why does an email to mailman-owner bounce? Thanks for any help! Raewyn. From jim at jimdrash.com Wed Nov 5 04:11:46 2003 From: jim at jimdrash.com (Jim Drash) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:11:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases email for new list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FA86A72.6030101@jimdrash.com> It is a bad assumption. Mailman only sends and e-mail to the list owner. Raewyn Smith wrote: > I have (apparently) successfully set up Mailman 2.1.3 on my server (RedHat, Sendmail). When I create a new list, a notification goes out to the list owner, and that's fine. However I assume another email should be sent to me (as the mailman administrator) letting me know that the list was created and listing the alises needed to be added to the /etc/aliases file - but I'm not getting that email. > >>From the REAMDE: > - NOTE: If you are using an MTA other than Exim or Postfix > (e.g. Sendmail or qmail), then you'll need to do the extra step > of installing the mailing list aliases manually. Follow the > instructions in an email message that you should have received > (you'll need to know how to do this for your particular MTA, see > the README for your MTA for more information). > > I can't find any more information on where this email should be sent to. > Is my understanding of what should happen right? What have I not set up correctly? > > This seems like a related problem - at the bottom of the list creation email sent to the owner of the list is an email address "if you have any problems email mailman-admin at ....". When I try email that address I get a message sent to "mailman-owner at ..." with subject "Uncaught bounce notification". I have set up the aliases for the mailman list and the 'list administrator', of the mailman list is me. What is the difference between mailman-owner and mailman-admin? Where should those addresses come from. Why does an email to mailman-owner bounce? > > Thanks for any help! > > Raewyn. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jim at jimdrash.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jim%40jimdrash.com From lists at yggdrasill.net Wed Nov 5 04:41:20 2003 From: lists at yggdrasill.net (Jim Cole) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:41:20 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 12:03 PM, patkins wrote: > ./configure --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi-gid=mailman > --with-username=mailman --with-groupname=mailman Isn't the --with-cgi-gid option suppose to take the group that your *web server* runs as? I would assume that group is something other than mailman. Also, I don't think the --with-username and --with-groupname are necessary if you intend to use mailman/mailman, though I don't know that that would hurt anything. Jim From pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co Wed Nov 5 05:07:21 2003 From: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co (Pablo Chamorro C.) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:07:21 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove Caps from Lists name and Prefix Message-ID: This question was posted one year ago: "When I create a list it is all lowercase (testlist) But when I go to the GUI it shows up with a cap as the first letter (Testlist) This happens to the real name and prefix sections. How to make it so when I create a list it doesn't change this, I have to go in and do it by hand right now." Does somebody know the answer? Thanks Pablo Chamorro C. From pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co Wed Nov 5 05:10:07 2003 From: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co (Pablo Chamorro C.) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:10:07 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments - PDF Issue In-Reply-To: <200311050107.hA517oj11006@smtp1.prupref.com> Message-ID: I don't know how to do with pipermail. I use MHonARC as external archiver. Pablo On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, McKeever Chris wrote: > On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:58 , McKeever Chris sent: > > >I am trying to figure out how to resolve PDF's being converted into > .obj extensions in the archive (they get sent to list subscribers > still in .pdf >form). From paul at thcwd.com Wed Nov 5 05:25:36 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:25:36 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL and spam reports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031104222309.08713fe0@mail.thcwd.com> If you really have to deal with this, then send a final notice that all AOL users will be set to nomail and must set themselves back if they want to be on the list. Include directions for resetting from Nomail. Send the message, generate a digest, then change all the AOL folks. It's that or unsub the lot of them. <>< Paul From paul at thcwd.com Wed Nov 5 05:45:28 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:45:28 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Edit welcome e-mail text In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031104222611.01b92c28@mail.thcwd.com> Alan Dawson wrote: >I'm running mailman version 2.1.2 > >Is it possible to edit the Welcome e-mail on a per list basis? Easy. Copy subscribeack.txt from the template directory to /mailman/lists//en (assuming English) and edit as desired. If you are doing multiple lists get one the way you want it then copy that to the other lists. <>< Paul From pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co Wed Nov 5 05:53:48 2003 From: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co (Pablo Chamorro C.) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:53:48 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove Caps from Lists name and Prefix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry, I already found the answer: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg06851.html for Mailman 2.1.1 I think it would be: Mailman/MailList.py # all lowercase # self.real_name = internalname[0].upper() + internalname[1:] self.real_name = internalname[0] + internalname[1:] Pablo On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Pablo Chamorro C. wrote: > This question was posted one year ago: > > "When I create a list it is all lowercase (testlist) > But when I go to the GUI it shows up with a cap as the first letter > (Testlist) > > This happens to the real name and prefix sections. How to make it so when > I create a list it doesn't change this, I have to go in and do it by hand > right now." > > Does somebody know the answer? > From admin at shellworld.net Wed Nov 5 06:08:15 2003 From: admin at shellworld.net (Ken Scott) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:08:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving Lists between Systems/versions of Mailman Message-ID: We presently have Mailman v2.0.13 installed, with several lists created. We're going to be moving shortly to a new system, on which I have installed v2.1.3. Can I: (a) copy all appropriate files and aliases, etc., to the new system and have the lists run successfully, without actually having to re-create them? (b) re-create the lists, then copy all appropriate files and aliases, etc., and have them run successfully? If the answer is no to both, what then would be the proper procedure to follow in such a situation? One of these lists alone has several thousand subscribers, so I'd hate for my list owners to have to start over from scratch. Thanks in advance for any help. -- Ken, admin at shellworld.net From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Nov 5 06:45:35 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 05:45:35 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] startup error In-Reply-To: <215f01c3a31f$f4dfb0c0$3e14010a@nna.imrac.net> Message-ID: <4724E0DB-0F53-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 10:06 pm, Matthew Kitchin wrote: > Hello, > I have an older redhat box running mailman and sendmail that I am > replacing. > I have built a new redhat 9 box with postfix and mailman installed > during > the initial OS installation. I can't get mailman to startup properly. > It > appears to me running 2.1 > running > [root at mail root]# /sbin/service mailman start > > Returns this: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? > main() > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main > check_privs() > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs > gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] > KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found > > Can anyone tell me how to go about fixing this? > Checking the searchable archives for this list and the FAQ is sometimes worthwhile. For instance, see: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg19516.html > Thanks, > Matthew From tech-mail at prupref.com Wed Nov 5 07:25:38 2003 From: tech-mail at prupref.com (McKeever Chris) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 00:25:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments - PDF Issue Message-ID: <200311050625.hA56Pcj11302@smtp1.prupref.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031105/66100557/attachment.pot From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Nov 5 08:37:50 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:37:50 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 02:19 pm, patkins wrote: > Jim, > > Thanks for the help! I changed all the files in the cgi-bin to both > root and mailman just to see if I could execute the files properly and > neither worked. I compiled three different times using various flags > to set guid, user, group etc. Nothing I do seems to fix this problem. > Keep in mind the lists work perfectly! I just can't use the web > admins. > The error message you are getting is Mailman's CGI wrapper telling you that it has tried to look up the group name of the GID it was executed as and this has failed. It does this test using the getgid and getgrgid system calls (see the man pages): the check_caller() function in Mailman's $build/src/common.c is used. This check is a precursor to checking the group name recovered is the one the wrapper was told to expect via --with-cgi-gid on ./configure. The text of the message you have got is rather unhelpful because it does not tell us what GID the wrapper was being executed as, whose lookup using getgrgid subsequently failed. What GID is you Apache server running its child processes as? What does the Group directive in your httpd.conf say? Are you assigning a numeric GID rather than a group name with the Group directive and, if so, does that GID have an entry in your system's group file? If the answer to this last question is no, then that is your problem. Let us know if you find a resolution to this. You can see the effect of these system calls mentioned above, using Python from the command line, although the Mailman wrapper is calling the equivalent C functions. For instance: mailman2:/home/mailman # su httpd sh-2.05$ id uid=598(httpd) gid=620(httpd) groups=620(httpd) sh-2.05$ python Python 2.2.2 (#3, Feb 11 2003, 16:57:53) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import grp, os, sys >>> os.getgid() 620 >>> grp.getgrgid(os.getgid()) ('httpd', '*', 620, []) >>> sys.exit() sh-2.05$ > -p > > On 03/Nov/2003 22:04:08, Jim Cole wrote: >> On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 12:03 PM, patkins wrote: >> >>> The user and group exist: >>> >>> group > mailman:x:506: >>> passwd > mailman:x:506:506::/usr/local/mailman:/dev/null >> .... >>> Mailman CGI error!!! >>> The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is >>> being >>> stored in your syslog: >>> Failure to find group name mailman. Try adding this group >>> to your system, or re-run configure, providing an >>> existing group name with the command line option --with-cgi-gid. >> >> Have you tried verifying the group outside of Mailman? For example >> have >> you tried executing chgrp on some file using the mailman group? If >> that >> works as expected, double check the group associated with the CGI >> wrappers in Mailman's cgi-bin directory. A quick look at the code >> seems >> to imply that either your group file is somehow broken or the group >> settings are incorrect for one or more of your wrapper files. >> >> Jim >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Nov 5 08:41:28 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:41:28 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ongoing problem with pickle file In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7737AEC4-0F63-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> I do not know what you problem is but it might be worth considering updating from an old Beta release of 2.1 to the latest stable 2.1.3 version to see if that helps resolve the problem. On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 02:25 pm, Fuzzy wrote: > > Every night when the daily jobs run I get this error > from everything using 'list_lists'. This also fails > when run from the console, (logged in as the mailman user). > > How do I repair the file, so the scripts will run > correctly? > > FreeBSD 4.7-release > Mailman 2.1b5 > Python 2.2.1 > Sendmail 8.12.6 > Apache 1.3.23 > > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Fuzzy, > \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | ASARian.org > X - NO Word docs in e-mail | fuzzy @ ASARian.org > / \ > > >> From mailman at pooh.ASARian.org Tue Nov 4 09:18:34 2003 > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 03:27:03 -0500 (EST) > From: Cron Daemon > To: mailman at pooh.ASARian.org > Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S > /usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 154, in ? > main() > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 110, in main > mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ > self.Load() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 570, in Load > dict, e = self.__load(file) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 543, in __load > dict = loadfunc(fp) > cPickle.UnpicklingError: member is not safe for unpickling > > Bug in Mailman version 2.1b5 > > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a > copy of > this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what > happened. Thanks! > > Traceback: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main > main() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 61, in main > admin_overview() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 228, in > admin_overview > mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ > self.Load() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 570, in Load > dict, e = self.__load(file) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 543, in __load > dict = loadfunc(fp) > UnpicklingError: member is not safe for unpickling > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Python information: > > Variable Value > sys.version 2.2.1 (#1, Oct 19 2002, 20:21:25) [GCC 2.95.4 > 20020320 > [FreeBSD]] > sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python > sys.prefix /usr/local > sys.exec_prefix /usr/local > sys.path /usr/local > sys.platform freebsd4 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Environment variables: > > Variable Value > PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman > SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.23 (Unix) PHP/4.1.2 > SERVER_ADMIN webmaster at pooh.asarian.org > SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin > SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.23 Server at pooh.asarian.org Port > 80 > REQUEST_METHOD GET > HTTP_HOST localhost > SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 > QUERY_STRING > SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin > REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin > HTTP_ACCEPT */* > us-ascii, ISO-8859-1, ISO-8859-2, ISO-8859-4, > ISO-8895-5, ISO-8859-7, ISO-8895-9, ISO-8859-13, > HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-15, ISO-8859-16, windows-1250, > windows-1251, > windows-1257, cp437, cp737, cp850, cp852, cp866, > x-cp866-u, x-mac, x-mac-ce, x-kam-cs, koi8-r, > koi8-u, > TCVN-5712, VISCII, utf-8 > HTTP_USER_AGENT ELinks (0.4pre5; FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE i386; > 80x25) > HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive > SERVER_NAME pooh.asarian.org > REMOTE_ADDR 127.0.0.1 > REMOTE_PORT 2438 > SERVER_PORT 80 > GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 > SERVER_ADDR 127.0.0.1 > DOCUMENT_ROOT /http/htdocs From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Nov 5 08:49:23 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:49:23 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error In-Reply-To: <4580.213.41.134.103.1067988758.squirrel@webmail.nerim.net> Message-ID: <92213EE7-0F64-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 11:32 pm, wrote: >> On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 12:03 PM, patkins wrote: >> >>> The user and group exist: >>> >>> group > mailman:x:506: >>> passwd > mailman:x:506:506::/usr/local/mailman:/dev/null >> ... >>> Mailman CGI error!!! >>> The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is >>> being >>> stored in your syslog: >>> Failure to find group name mailman. Try adding this group >>> to your system, or re-run configure, providing an >>> existing group name with the command line option --with-cgi-gid. >> >> Have you tried verifying the group outside of Mailman? For example >> have >> you tried executing chgrp on some file using the mailman group? If >> that >> works as expected, double check the group associated with the CGI >> wrappers in Mailman's cgi-bin directory. A quick look at the code >> seems >> to imply that either your group file is somehow broken or the group >> settings are incorrect for one or more of your wrapper files. >> >> Jim > > hi, > > I've a problem with the wrapper too. Could you tell me where are the > wrapper configuration files ? My problem is mailman can not read the > wrapper configuration files. > There are no wrapper configuration files as such. For security reasons, Mailman mail delivery scripts and CGI scripts are executed by compiled C wrapper programs which are generated by the ./configure and make install process when MM is built from source. This process compiles into the wrappers the knowledge of what GID (--with-mail-gid) the mail wrapper expects to be executed as and what GID (--with-cgi-gid) the CGI wrapper expects to be executed as. Only if they are executed with the correct GID will the wrappers setgid to the mailman GID before executing the mail delivery and CGI scripts. The wrapper setgid is done to the mailman group which can be specified to ./configure with --with-groupname just as the Mailman user can be specified with --with-username, if something other than the default mailman:mailman is to be used. You must determine what GID your MTA runs as and what GID your Apache server runs its child processes as. In the case of Apache, it is normally started as root and this master Apache process setgid's its child processes to the GID specified by the Group directive in Apache's httpd.conf file, so this latter GID is the one you should specify at MM ./configure time. make install puts the wrapper programs in $exec-prefix/cgi-bin/ and $exec-prefix/mail/ directories. > Regards, > Alex. From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Nov 5 09:03:01 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:03:01 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments - PDF Issue In-Reply-To: <200311050058.hA50wKj10960@smtp1.prupref.com> Message-ID: <7A37B5FE-0F66-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 12:58 am, McKeever Chris wrote: > I am trying to figure out how to resolve PDF's being converted into > .obj extensions in the archive (they get sent to list subscribers > still in .pdf > form). > > I have tried sending from multiple clients (yahoo, our webmail, and > Outlook Express) and I keep getting this issue. > > Ultimately, I would like the .obj to just be .PDF so end-users do not > get the 'open with' dialog box. > > Here is a sample archived message: > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: x-4.pdf > Type: application/octet-stream You problem is the MIME type the MUA attaching the PDF file is putting in the Content-type. It appears to be saying it is application/octet-stream rather than application/pdf It is questionable practice to rely on the file suffix to ascribe content type and Mailman does not appear to so do, which is why a file originally called xxx.pdf becomes yyy.obj If the Content-type is corrected I think you will find Mailman extracts the attachments into .pdf suffixed filenames. > Size: 55233 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://list.domain.com/pipermail/filefax/attachments/20031104/ > ea6ccb1e/x-4-0001.obj > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks > ---- Prudential Preferred Properties www.prupref.com From AllKnightAccess at aol.com Wed Nov 5 09:25:03 2003 From: AllKnightAccess at aol.com (AllKnightAccess at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 03:25:03 EST Subject: Fwd: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Total Member Count Message-ID: <3e.37315cee.2cda0ddf@aol.com> Any response to this? In a message dated 10/9/2003 10:19:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, AllKnightAccess at aol.com writes: > Is there a way to display the total member count for each mailing list on > the > list admin overview and the mailing list overview pages (without having to > login), similiar to how the list name and description is already displayed? > From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Nov 5 09:31:55 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:31:55 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove Caps from Lists name and Prefix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <838789CF-0F6A-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 04:53 am, Pablo Chamorro C. wrote: > Sorry, I already found the answer: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg06851.html > > for Mailman 2.1.1 I think it would be: > > Mailman/MailList.py > > # all lowercase > # self.real_name = internalname[0].upper() + internalname[1:] > self.real_name = internalname[0] + internalname[1:] > Or even self.real_name = internalname > Pablo > > On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Pablo Chamorro C. wrote: > >> This question was posted one year ago: >> >> "When I create a list it is all lowercase (testlist) >> But when I go to the GUI it shows up with a cap as the first letter >> (Testlist) >> >> This happens to the real name and prefix sections. How to make it so >> when >> I create a list it doesn't change this, I have to go in and do it by >> hand >> right now." >> >> Does somebody know the answer? >> From simon at caperet.com Wed Nov 5 09:40:57 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:40:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't post to list In-Reply-To: <329CEF4E238E71429500F7A09094745F03B65250@cacexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <329CEF4E238E71429500F7A09094745F03B65250@cacexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20031105084057.GA1167@mtds.com> 04-Nov-03 at 17:14, Foo, Randy (randy.foo at hp.com) wrote : > Another newbie question: > Red Hat 9, > apache web server 2.0.47, > Mailman 2.1.2. compiled from both apache.org and the mailman site > source. > Sendmail is the MTA > > I've created a list called "connery," through the web interface, but > cannot post to it. I entered the aliases for the list into > /etc/aliases, and ran newalias, and even tried putting an alias file in > at /etc/mail/aliases. So far, I haven't even gotten a bounce message > when trying to post - it's like the mail went into a black hole. I > presume the mail servers are probably holding the mail and trying to > deliver repeatedly. Have you checked whether the list admin interface is working, and whether or not messages are being held for moderation? What do you have in your logs for mailman and sendmail? > Sendmail 'seems' to be working, as the list creation mail went *out* ok, > but perhaps it's not receiving. Not sure if this is a mailman issue. > Am also not versed in sendmail (who is? it's huge!) Get a better MTA, anything is easier to configure than sendmail. I personally prefer Postfix, also Exim is good, and Qmail isn't all that bad, if you like a little bit of a different take on things... -- Simon White. 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Mail AddressGuard From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Nov 5 09:46:00 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:46:00 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Not Found after upgrade to newest version In-Reply-To: <200311042209.hA4M9uH5021162@epsilon> Message-ID: <7AFE648B-0F6C-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> Scott On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 10:08 pm, Scott Berkman wrote: > Thank you for the help. I look through it, and found it obviously is > erring > out on Utils.list_exists(listname), but I have no idea how to test that > method and see why it is failing. I looked back and checked the path > and > list variables and all that, and it seems fine. All the permissions > are > fine, and no errors are written to the log. Any ideas? > -Scott > I just referred back to your original post. The alias definition has the listname as 'Test' rather 'test'. I am fairly sure this is the problem. The listnames in the alias definitions should always be case folded to lower case. How did you come by the revised aliases during the upgrade? Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at ftel.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:43 PM > To: Scott Berkman > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] List Not Found after upgrade to newest > version > > > On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 01:25 am, Scott Berkman wrote: > >> Hello, >> I run mailman on a Redhat machine, installed by up2date. Everything >> seems to work fine, including web interfaces, and listing the lists. >> When a >> message is sent to a list, an error mail is bounced back saying: >> >> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- >> "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post Test" >> (reason: 1) >> (expanded from: ) >> > > MM's $prefix/scripts/post delivery script is terminating abnormally > with an > exit code of 1. This may or may not be due to the script not being > able to > correctly identify the list termination of the post. Take a look at the > script, it is only a few lines of simple Python code with comments > which say > what it is doing. > > Are there any entries in Mailman's errorlog file ($prefix/logs/error) > prefixed with the string post to indicate the nature of the problem? > >> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- post script, list not >> found: >> test >> 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 >> >> >> I run sendmail as my MTA, and everything works fine with that. >> >> Here is a sample entry in my aliases file: >> >> test: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test" >> test-admin: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin test" >> test-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test" >> test-confirm: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test" >> test-join: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join test" >> test-leave: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave test" >> test-owner: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner test" >> test-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request test" >> test-subscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test" >> test-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test" >> >> The list is officially named "Test" as listed by bin/list_lists, but I >> tried >> both test and Test in the aliases file, with no change. I am of >> course >> running newaliases whenever changing the aliases file. >> >> Thank you for any help and ideas, also, please respond to me >> directly. >> >> -Scott >> >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> Scott Berkman gte999p berkman at aepizeta.org AIM-SB523 >> (404)873-4708 http://www.aepizeta.org/~codine >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ >> r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk >> > From simon at caperet.com Wed Nov 5 09:50:04 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:50:04 +0100 Subject: Fwd: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Total Member Count In-Reply-To: <3e.37315cee.2cda0ddf@aol.com> References: <3e.37315cee.2cda0ddf@aol.com> Message-ID: <20031105085004.GB1167@mtds.com> 05-Nov-03 at 03:25, AllKnightAccess at aol.com (AllKnightAccess at aol.com) wrote : > Any response to this? > > In a message dated 10/9/2003 10:19:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, > AllKnightAccess at aol.com writes: > > > Is there a way to display the total member count for each mailing list on > > the > > list admin overview and the mailing list overview pages (without having to > > login), similiar to how the list name and description is already displayed? I doubt there's an easy way to do it. Anything is possible with the source available, and indeed member counts are done in the admin interface for each list so you could work it all out quite easily if you know your python, or can just generally read code well. However, I don't think that the admin interface can be configured to do what you want just like that. Maybe a more knowledgeable Mailman hacker might be able to confirm this. -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Nov 5 09:52:45 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:52:45 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't post to list In-Reply-To: <329CEF4E238E71429500F7A09094745F03B65250@cacexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <6CB5CF69-0F6D-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 01:14 am, Foo, Randy wrote: > > > Hi, > > Another newbie question: > Red Hat 9, > apache web server 2.0.47, > Mailman 2.1.2. compiled from both apache.org and the mailman site > source. > Sendmail is the MTA > > I've created a list called "connery," through the web interface, but > cannot post to it. I entered the aliases for the list into > /etc/aliases, and ran newalias, and even tried putting an alias file in > at /etc/mail/aliases. So far, I haven't even gotten a bounce message > when trying to post - it's like the mail went into a black hole. I > presume the mail servers are probably holding the mail and trying to > deliver repeatedly. > > Sendmail 'seems' to be working, as the list creation mail went *out* > ok, > but perhaps it's not receiving. Not sure if this is a mailman issue. > Am also not versed in sendmail (who is? it's huge!) > > Any help in fixing this is greatly appreciated. > Did you create the mailman site list, run '$prefix/bin/mailmanctl start' and install the mailman crontab? > Randy > From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Nov 5 10:27:35 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:27:35 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Not Found after upgrade to newest version Message-ID: <4A74E4D5-0F72-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Scott Attached some input from Jon Carnes, who has a habit of being right. Might be worth checking the value of the MM config variable LIST_DATA_DIR which should be defined in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py and may possibly be redefined in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py The default is LIST_DATA_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'lists') in which case chase back to the definition of VAR_PREFIX. You need to verify that VAR_PREFIX value + "/lists/" + contains files called config.pck, config.pck.last, config.db or config.db.last. Existence of one of these is what the check for list existence is looking at. If that is not correct, you may need to redefine some MM config variables. If one is wrong then so might be others. Take a look at the config value and let me know the results. Richard Begin forwarded message: > From: Jon Carnes > Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 8:13:58 pm Europe/London > To: Richard Barrett > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] List Not Found after upgrade to newest > version > Reply-To: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Richard, Looks like he's running RH9 which has a some-what munged > config > file (it doesn't even point to the Mailman group name properly!). I > believe he needs to setup the proper entries in mm_cfg.py and then > create the "mailman" site list. > > Good Luck in helping him out! > > Jon Carnes > > On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 14:43, Richard Barrett wrote: >> On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 01:25 am, Scott Berkman wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> I run mailman on a Redhat machine, installed by up2date. Everything >>> seems to work fine, including web interfaces, and listing the lists. >>> When a >>> message is sent to a list, an error mail is bounced back saying: >>> >>> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- >>> "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post Test" >>> (reason: 1) >>> (expanded from: ) >>> >> >> MM's $prefix/scripts/post delivery script is terminating abnormally >> with an exit code of 1. This may or may not be due to the script not >> being able to correctly identify the list termination of the post. >> Take >> a look at the script, it is only a few lines of simple Python code >> with >> comments which say what it is doing. >> >> Are there any entries in Mailman's errorlog file ($prefix/logs/error) >> prefixed with the string post to indicate the nature of the problem? >> >>> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- post script, list not >>> found: >>> test >>> 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 >>> >>> >>> I run sendmail as my MTA, and everything works fine with that. >>> >>> Here is a sample entry in my aliases file: >>> >>> test: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test" >>> test-admin: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin test" >>> test-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test" >>> test-confirm: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test" >>> test-join: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join test" >>> test-leave: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave test" >>> test-owner: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner test" >>> test-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request test" >>> test-subscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test" >>> test-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe >>> test" >>> >>> The list is officially named "Test" as listed by bin/list_lists, but >>> I >>> tried >>> both test and Test in the aliases file, with no change. I am of >>> course >>> running newaliases whenever changing the aliases file. >>> >>> Thank you for any help and ideas, also, please respond to me >>> directly. >>> >>> -Scott >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------- >>> Scott Berkman gte999p berkman at aepizeta.org AIM-SB523 >>> (404)873-4708 http://www.aepizeta.org/~codine From tim at ngfl.gov.uk Wed Nov 5 11:03:04 2003 From: tim at ngfl.gov.uk (Timothy Arnold) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:03:04 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list using hostname? Message-ID: <3F036097-0F77-11D8-9C1A-0003931D9362@ngfl.gov.uk> Hi Mailman Users! I have a question for you. I have set-up mailman 2.1.2 on my solaris machine and everything is working fine. The hostname of the machine is 'davinci' and all the lists are set to use 'lists.mydomain.com' for email & html - this was set in the configuration file mm_cfg.py. Most lists use lists.mydomain.com but the master 'mailman' list still uses the primary hostname for html links - how do I change this? Thanks! Timothy. From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Nov 5 12:06:00 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:06:00 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list using hostname? In-Reply-To: <3F036097-0F77-11D8-9C1A-0003931D9362@ngfl.gov.uk> Message-ID: <09DDCF44-0F80-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 10:03 am, Timothy Arnold wrote: > Hi Mailman Users! > > I have a question for you. I have set-up mailman 2.1.2 on my solaris > machine and everything is working fine. The hostname of the machine is > 'davinci' and all the lists are set to use 'lists.mydomain.com' for > email & html - this was set in the configuration file mm_cfg.py. > > Most lists use lists.mydomain.com but the master 'mailman' list still > uses the primary hostname for html links - how do I change this? > Using $prefix/bin/fix_url.py will do it but consider reviewing this FAQ entry: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp > Thanks! > Timothy. From tim at ngfl.gov.uk Wed Nov 5 15:26:27 2003 From: tim at ngfl.gov.uk (Timothy Arnold) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:26:27 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list using hostname? In-Reply-To: <09DDCF44-0F80-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> References: <09DDCF44-0F80-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <0A88BCA7-0F9C-11D8-9C1A-0003931D9362@ngfl.gov.uk> With thanks to Richard Barrett. The command I used was: ./withlist -l -r fix_url mailman -v Thanks again! Timothy. On 5 Nov 2003, at 11:06, Richard Barrett wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 10:03 am, Timothy Arnold wrote: > >> Hi Mailman Users! >> >> I have a question for you. I have set-up mailman 2.1.2 on my solaris >> machine and everything is working fine. The hostname of the machine >> is 'davinci' and all the lists are set to use 'lists.mydomain.com' >> for email & html - this was set in the configuration file mm_cfg.py. >> >> Most lists use lists.mydomain.com but the master 'mailman' list still >> uses the primary hostname for html links - how do I change this? >> > > Using $prefix/bin/fix_url.py will do it but consider reviewing this > FAQ entry: > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp > >> Thanks! >> Timothy. > > From tim at ngfl.gov.uk Wed Nov 5 15:28:57 2003 From: tim at ngfl.gov.uk (Timothy Arnold) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:28:57 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing messages from archives Message-ID: <63F7ADD7-0F9C-11D8-9C1A-0003931D9362@ngfl.gov.uk> Hi all! Now for my next question. How do I remove messages from the archives? I could remove the html message from the private/listname but this will create broken links? Do I need to remove the messages from the mbox file and regenerate the archives? Also, is there a way of making multiple mbox files (i.e. based on date) instead of one large file? Thanks, Timothy. From tech-mail at prupref.com Wed Nov 5 16:25:34 2003 From: tech-mail at prupref.com (McKeever Chris) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:25:34 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments - PDF Issue In-Reply-To: <7A37B5FE-0F66-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <200311051525.hA5FPYj13583@smtp1.prupref.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031105/de3929e9/attachment.asc From tim at IntegraStrategic.com Wed Nov 5 17:00:55 2003 From: tim at IntegraStrategic.com (Timothy Brooks) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:00:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission Denied / Content Filtering Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031105105309.034d9dc8@www.IntegraStrategic.com> I've had a very hard time with my lists ever since my provider upgraded to 2.1.2. The most recent problem is that messages sent via Hotmail (and some other Web-based mail programs) come through like this: /root/HJBt9Y: Permission denied This only happens with Content Filtering turned on. My content filtering settings are: 1. Should Mailman filter? Yes. [when this is set to "no," people using Microsoft Exchange Server get messages as attachments only.] 2. Remove messages with these attachments: [blank] 3. Remove messages that don't have these attachments: multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/html text/plain image/jpg image/jpeg image/gif audio/basic audio/mpg audio/mpeg audio/wav video/asf video/mpeg video/mpg video/quicktime [some of these types still get stripped. For example, mpgs don't make it through.] 4. Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? Yes. [Again, if this is no, Exchange Server people are getting all messages as attachments.] 5. Action to take when messages match: Forward to List Owner. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong here? Thanks. Tim _______________________________________________ Integra Strategic Technologies Consulting, LLC 164 Middle Street, Suite 2 Portland, Maine 04101 207.871-8008 http://www.IntegraStrategic.com . tim at IntegraStrategic.com From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Nov 5 17:01:43 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:01:43 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments - PDF Issue In-Reply-To: <200311051525.hA5FPYj13583@smtp1.prupref.com> Message-ID: <59C2FC1E-0FA9-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Chris On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 03:25 pm, McKeever Chris wrote: > > > On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:03 , Richard Barrett sent: > >> >> On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 12:58 am, McKeever Chris wrote: >> >>> I am trying to figure out how to resolve PDF's being converted into >>> .obj extensions in the archive (they get sent to list subscribers >>> still in .pdf >>> form). >>> >>> I have tried sending from multiple clients (yahoo, our webmail, and >>> Outlook Express) and I keep getting this issue. >>> >>> Ultimately, I would like the .obj to just be .PDF so end-users do not >>> get the 'open with' dialog box. >>> >>> Here is a sample archived message: >>> >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: x-4.pdf >>> Type: application/octet-stream >> >> You problem is the MIME type the MUA attaching the PDF file is putting >> in the Content-type. It appears to be saying it is >> application/octet-stream rather than application/pdf >> >> It is questionable practice to rely on the file suffix to ascribe >> content type and Mailman does not appear to so do, which is why a file >> originally called xxx.pdf becomes yyy.obj >> >> If the Content-type is corrected I think you will find Mailman >> extracts >> the attachments into .pdf suffixed filenames. >> >>> Size: 55233 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> Url : >>> http://list.domain.com/pipermail/filefax/attachments/20031104/ >>> ea6ccb1e/x-4-0001.obj >>> > > I understand that it is questionable, but there isnt _anything_ I can > do on the MUA side, and seeing that it isnt a public list/archive > that really only gets .pdf files (sent via a fax server) I dont think > it is all that dangerous. > > I need to figure out how to have the code rely on the extension over > the content type. If anyone has knowledge of modifying the > Scrubber.py (I think that is where it is) to allow this, please let me > know > Attached is a crude little patch that may solve your problem. You can apply the patch from within either the MM build directory and rerun ./configure and make install, or to the $prefix directory, using the following command: patch -p1 < path-to-patchfile Particularly if you decide to apply the patch to the MM $prefix directory then do first take a backup of $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py in case the patched code doesn't work and you need to revert. You will need to restart mailmanctl after applying the patch. Let me know how you get on. Richard -------------- next part -------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Nov 5 17:27:51 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:27:51 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission Denied / Content Filtering In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20031105105309.034d9dc8@www.IntegraStrategic.com> Message-ID: <002AEDA4-0FAD-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 04:00 pm, Timothy Brooks wrote: > > I've had a very hard time with my lists ever since my provider > upgraded to 2.1.2. The most recent problem is that messages sent via > Hotmail (and some other Web-based mail programs) come through like > this: > > /root/HJBt9Y: Permission denied > I will take a SWAG that you are operating through cPanel. A while back I set up an account with a hosting service precisely to explore how MM operates under such an installed environment. Today, I have found exactly the problem you describe for post containing text/html parts although it wasn't occurring the last time I looked a few weeks back. Also the archiving has stopped working for the list emitting such broken messages. Conclusion is that the cPanel folks, who are the ones integrating their modified version of Mailman Open Software into their charged-for commercial cPanel package, have fouled something up. Looks like some sort of permission problems maybe. Looking at the Mailman source distribution I cannot see where the '/root/stuff' insertions are coming from and I suspect it is not from code in the vanilla MM source but from cPanel modified Mailman code which I cannot find a way to get hold of GPL license notwithstanding. Best bet is to persuade your ISP to take cPanel to task - well they are charging him for the product - and try posting to cPanel's support list for all the good it will do. > This only happens with Content Filtering turned on. My content > filtering settings are: > > 1. Should Mailman filter? Yes. [when this is set to "no," people > using Microsoft Exchange Server get messages as attachments only.] > > 2. Remove messages with these attachments: [blank] > > 3. Remove messages that don't have these attachments: > multipart/mixed > multipart/alternative > text/html > text/plain > image/jpg > image/jpeg > image/gif > audio/basic > audio/mpg > audio/mpeg > audio/wav > video/asf > video/mpeg > video/mpg > video/quicktime > > [some of these types still get stripped. For example, mpgs don't make > it through.] > > 4. Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? Yes. > [Again, if this is no, Exchange Server people are getting all messages > as attachments.] > > 5. Action to take when messages match: Forward to List Owner. > > > Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong here? > > Thanks. > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > Integra Strategic Technologies Consulting, LLC > 164 Middle Street, Suite 2 > Portland, Maine 04101 > 207.871-8008 > http://www.IntegraStrategic.com . tim at IntegraStrategic.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jdecarlo at mitre.org Wed Nov 5 18:13:26 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:13:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments - PDF Issue In-Reply-To: <200311051525.hA5FPYj13583@smtp1.prupref.com> References: <200311051525.hA5FPYj13583@smtp1.prupref.com> Message-ID: <3FA92FB6.5070809@mitre.org> Chris, Again, changing Scrubber.py will affect all the lists on that server. Warning aside, I took a look at Scrubber.py. Look at the function save_attachment(). The line 'ext = guess_extension(ctype, fnext)' tries to guess the proper file extension based on the extension of the file name in the message (fnext) and the MIME content type (ctype). The content type is the primary determinant. If guess_extension() doesn't give an answer, the if clause just beneath it takes over. You have several options available, as with any programming change. 1. Just give every file the extension it had in the message. To do that, change the else: line to: ext = fnext 2. Just worry about the .pdf files. To do that, in front of the else: line type in: elif fnext == '.pdf': ext = '.pdf' (Now I am not 100 percent sure this will work, not being a Python programmer, so take it with a grain of salt.) McKeever Chris wrote: > I understand that it is questionable, but there isnt _anything_ I can do on the MUA side, and seeing that it isnt a public list/archive > that really only gets .pdf files (sent via a fax server) I dont think it is all that dangerous. > > I need to figure out how to have the code rely on the extension over the content type. If anyone has knowledge of modifying the > Scrubber.py (I think that is where it is) to allow this, please let me know -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From dhphllps at memphis.edu Wed Nov 5 18:30:54 2003 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:30:54 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission Denied / Content Filtering In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20031105105309.034d9dc8@www.IntegraStrategic.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20031105105309.034d9dc8@www.IntegraStrategic.com> Message-ID: On Nov 5, 2003, at 10:00 AM, Timothy Brooks wrote: > I've had a very hard time with my lists ever since my provider > upgraded to 2.1.2. The most recent problem is that messages sent via > Hotmail (and some other Web-based mail programs) come through like > this: > > /root/HJBt9Y: Permission denied > see http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg14584.html Dan From david at dpieper.com Wed Nov 5 19:20:06 2003 From: david at dpieper.com (David Pieper) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:20:06 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Excessive memory usage? Message-ID: <3FA93F56.9060904@dpieper.com> My mailman seems to use a LOT of memory. RH 7.3 Python 2.2.2 Mailman 2.1.2 I have 3 lists so far, 2 have < 3 users, and the other has 79052 users. (It's an announcement only list) Here's the ps listing: mailman 25064 0.0 0.1 6244 580 ? S 11:39 0:00 /usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start mailman 25065 0.0 0.4 6300 1712 ? S 11:39 0:00 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s mailman 25066 2.5 14.6 67144 56404 ? S 11:39 0:51 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s mailman 25067 8.8 13.9 75660 53516 ? S 11:39 3:01 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s mailman 25069 0.0 0.4 6292 1720 ? S 11:39 0:00 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s mailman 25070 0.0 0.4 6332 1756 ? S 11:39 0:00 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s mailman 25071 16.5 17.0 70408 65776 ? S 11:39 5:39 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s mailman 25073 24.1 17.4 73364 67268 ? S 11:39 8:14 qrunner /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s Here's the output from free when mailman is running: [root at ns1 mailman]# free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 384900 374252 10648 0 20448 32692 -/+ buffers/cache: 321112 63788 Swap: 787424 318628 468796 And when it's not: [root at ns1 mailman]# free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 384900 108904 275996 0 21180 28712 -/+ buffers/cache: 59012 325888 Swap: 787424 61468 725956 Is this normal? Enjoy, David Pieper -- programmer n. /pro gram er/ A device for transmuting caffeine into code. From nate at plsweb.com Wed Nov 5 19:54:16 2003 From: nate at plsweb.com (Nate Perry-Thistle) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:54:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving Lists between Systems/versions of Mailman In-Reply-To: ; from admin@shellworld.net on Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 11:08:15PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20031105135416.C3282@plsweb.com> Ken, I recently upgraded and migrated at the same time. However, this was from 2.1.2 to 2.1.3. I turned off external mail/web access to Mailman, confirmed I had no mail left to be processed and then tar'd n' zipped the 2.1.2 installation. I moved and unpacked it on the new box and then ran the 2.1.3 installation process overwriting the 2.1.2 files. All of my lists, subscribers, etc. remained intact and I was able to start using the lists immediately. I would suggest a dry run, but suspect that a similar approach would work from 2.0.13 to 2.1.3. Cheers, n. On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 11:08:15PM -0600, Ken Scott wrote: > We presently have Mailman v2.0.13 installed, with several lists created. > We're going to be moving shortly to a new system, on which I have > installed v2.1.3. Can I: > > (a) copy all appropriate files and aliases, etc., to the new system and > have the lists run successfully, without actually having to re-create > them? > > (b) re-create the lists, then copy all appropriate files and aliases, > etc., and have them run successfully? > > If the answer is no to both, what then would be the proper procedure to > follow in such a situation? One of these lists alone has several thousand > subscribers, so I'd hate for my list owners to have to start over from > scratch. > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > -- > Ken, > admin at shellworld.net > -- Nate Perry-Thistle Director of Technology Performance Learning Systems, Inc. http://www.plsweb.com/ From Mailman-users at davefisher.co.uk Wed Nov 5 20:58:26 2003 From: Mailman-users at davefisher.co.uk (Mailman-users at davefisher.co.uk) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:58:26 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help debugging Debian package for Mailman 2.1.3-1 Message-ID: <20031105195826.GA6132@davefisher.co.uk> Hi, I'm new to mailman and this list, so please forgive me if I've missed something obvious here or in the documentation (I have spent many hours looking, before resorting to this plea for help). I suspect that most of my problems lie with the Debian GNU/Linux packages (Testing) that I've installed, but been unable to configure properly without resorting to dangerously insecure hacks on file permissions and symbolic links. I notice that several of the obstacles I face have been reported and acknowledged as bugs on the Debian bug tracking system for quite some time. Unfortunately, they remain open with few suggested workarounds and some of those few looking pretty dubious. I was hoping that someone on this list might be able to refer me to either of: 1. A simple overview of the roles and relationships between of different components in a Mailman system ... so that I can set about the debugging process in a reasonably logical manner. 2. Other Debian users who have already worked their way through the bugs that I have encountered. I am now under some pressure to deliver a working Mailman system quickly, so the latter would be most useful. Here are some of the problems that I've encountered: 1. No permission for the web server to read any Mailman files. By default Apache runs as www-data on Debian systems, but most of the installed Mailman files are owned as root:list or list:list. I'm reluctant to do a recursive chown on any branch of my filesystem when there are so many chains of symlinks involved, when I'm not sure what roles various files play and when I've seen specific advice against adding the webserver user (www-data) to the list group. 2. Acknowledged bugs: #204869 errors while creating initial mailman list http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=204869 #214264 mailman: wrong permissions on archive directories http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=214264 #202464 mailman: symlink cgi-bin pointing to itself after installing http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=202464 #123297 wrong owner in pipermail directories http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=123297 ... the list goes on and on .. I wouldn't expect any individual to give me all the answers on these points, but I would appreciate any help or advice people could offer in trying to work through them. N.B. Despite the problems with this Debian package, I don't want to install from source tarballs (that's why I use Debian) and would prefer to fix it so that I can continue to benefit from the distro's basically sound package management and configuration system. Best wishes, Dave Fisher From rsmith at unitec.ac.nz Wed Nov 5 21:25:54 2003 From: rsmith at unitec.ac.nz (Raewyn Smith) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 09:25:54 +1300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases email for new list? Message-ID: Thanks Jim for you reply. So if a new list is created by anyone other than me, I have no way of knowing about it so I can change the aliases file? I am still puzzled by what the README file says - "... you'll need to do the extra step of installing the mailing list aliases manually. Follow the instructions in an email message that you should have received." I now assume (let me know if I am on the right track here) that the email referred to there is the one sent to the new list-owner. But even in that message, there is no mention of any aliases. Thanks, Raewyn. >>> Jim Drash 5/11/03 4:11:46 p.m. >>> It is a bad assumption. Mailman only sends and e-mail to the list owner. Raewyn Smith wrote: > I have (apparently) successfully set up Mailman 2.1.3 on my server (RedHat, Sendmail). When I create a new list, a notification goes out to the list owner, and that's fine. However I assume another email should be sent to me (as the mailman administrator) letting me know that the list was created and listing the alises needed to be added to the /etc/aliases file - but I'm not getting that email. > >>From the REAMDE: > - NOTE: If you are using an MTA other than Exim or Postfix > (e.g. Sendmail or qmail), then you'll need to do the extra step > of installing the mailing list aliases manually. Follow the > instructions in an email message that you should have received > (you'll need to know how to do this for your particular MTA, see > the README for your MTA for more information). > > I can't find any more information on where this email should be sent to. > Is my understanding of what should happen right? What have I not set up correctly? > > This seems like a related problem - at the bottom of the list creation email sent to the owner of the list is an email address "if you have any problems email mailman-admin at ....". When I try email that address I get a message sent to "mailman-owner at ..." with subject "Uncaught bounce notification". I have set up the aliases for the mailman list and the 'list administrator', of the mailman list is me. What is the difference between mailman-owner and mailman-admin? Where should those addresses come from. Why does an email to mailman-owner bounce? > > Thanks for any help! > > Raewyn. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jim at jimdrash.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jim%40jimdrash.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Nov 5 22:56:06 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 05 Nov 2003 16:56:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help debugging Debian package for Mailman 2.1.3-1 In-Reply-To: <20031105195826.GA6132@davefisher.co.uk> References: <20031105195826.GA6132@davefisher.co.uk> Message-ID: <1068069366.3272.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Your simplest option may be to install it from source. As long as you know the webservers GID and the MTA's GID you are good to go. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 14:58, Mailman-users at davefisher.co.uk wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new to mailman and this list, so please forgive me if I've missed > something obvious here or in the documentation (I have spent many hours > looking, before resorting to this plea for help). > > I suspect that most of my problems lie with the Debian GNU/Linux > packages (Testing) that I've installed, but been unable to configure > properly without resorting to dangerously insecure hacks on file > permissions and symbolic links. > > I notice that several of the obstacles I face have been reported and > acknowledged as bugs on the Debian bug tracking system for quite some > time. Unfortunately, they remain open with few suggested workarounds > and some of those few looking pretty dubious. > > I was hoping that someone on this list might be able to refer me to > either of: > > 1. A simple overview of the roles and relationships between of > different components in a Mailman system ... so that I can set about > the debugging process in a reasonably logical manner. > > 2. Other Debian users who have already worked their way through the > bugs that I have encountered. > > I am now under some pressure to deliver a working Mailman system > quickly, so the latter would be most useful. > > Here are some of the problems that I've encountered: > > 1. No permission for the web server to read any Mailman files. > > By default Apache runs as www-data on Debian systems, but most of the > installed Mailman files are owned as root:list or list:list. I'm > reluctant to do a recursive chown on any branch of my filesystem > when there are so many chains of symlinks involved, when I'm not sure > what roles various files play and when I've seen specific advice > against adding the webserver user (www-data) to the list group. > > 2. Acknowledged bugs: > > #204869 errors while creating initial mailman list > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=204869 > #214264 mailman: wrong permissions on archive directories > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=214264 > #202464 mailman: symlink cgi-bin pointing to itself after installing > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=202464 > #123297 wrong owner in pipermail directories > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=123297 > > ... the list goes on and on .. > > I wouldn't expect any individual to give me all the answers on these points, > but I would appreciate any help or advice people could offer in trying to work > through them. > > N.B. Despite the problems with this Debian package, I don't want to install > from source tarballs (that's why I use Debian) and would prefer to fix it so > that I can continue to benefit from the distro's basically sound package > management and configuration system. > > Best wishes, > > Dave Fisher > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From Mailman-users at davefisher.co.uk Wed Nov 5 23:31:16 2003 From: Mailman-users at davefisher.co.uk (Mailman-users at davefisher.co.uk) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:31:16 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help debugging Debian package for Mailman 2.1.3-1 In-Reply-To: <1068069366.3272.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20031105195826.GA6132@davefisher.co.uk> <1068069366.3272.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031105223116.GA6637@davefisher.co.uk> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 04:56:06PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > Your simplest option may be to install it from source. As long as you > know the webservers GID and the MTA's GID you are good to go. Thanks for that, Jon! I did intimate I didn't want to screw up my rather orderly Debian system by installing from sources ;-) I'm long past the age when one might enjoy the game of 'hunt the library files'. I've managed without source since I converted my home server to Debian 2 years ago (after 4 years of RPM hell and over a decade wrestling with tarballs) ... and I'm relieved to discover that I don't have to concede now ;-) Moments after posting my premature plea for help, I pursuaded myself that I probably did know enough Python to make digging around in .py files a worthwhile exercise. I quickly noticed that almost all of the bugs I was suffering stemmed from two silly failures in the Debian package installation, i.e. 1. The Python scripts in /var/lib/mailman/Mailman (linked to /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman in Debian) did not have the executable bit set for any user. Reading Utils.py pointed me to that possibility. 2. The templates that were supposed to be installed in /var/lib/mailman/templates (linked to /etc/mailman in Debian) hadn't actually been installed at all. Copying the english language examples from /usr/share/doc/mailman/examples into /etc/mailman/en did the trick. I'd like to appologise for wasting mailing list members' bandwidth and hope that the previous two observations may at least help anyone else who encounters similar problems. Best wishes, Dave From links at momsview.com Thu Nov 6 00:28:57 2003 From: links at momsview.com (Links at Momsview.com) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:28:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Excessive memory usage? Message-ID: <026301c3a3f4$9653d510$0201a8c0@daddy> The Mailman queue runners load your entire list into memory for all operations. So yes, that is normal for Mailman. I originally attempted to manage an announce only list with over 150,000 members on a 1.5GB Redhat but had to give up because these tasks grew to over 130MB each. I am currently running a 230,000 subscriber announce list split into 76 sub lists controlled by an umbrella list. No indivdual list is greater than 5k-6k. This all operates thorough a set of python and bash scripts I wrote to control subscriptions and unsubscriptions for the sublists From mn at treetheater.org Thu Nov 6 01:21:42 2003 From: mn at treetheater.org (Michelle MN) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:21:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] where to begin??? Message-ID: <00b401c3a3fb$f5194a60$6501a8c0@melafoundation> Could anybody point a total novice in the right direction for resources on where and how to begin the process of setting up and administering mailman software? Books, websites, papers etc. appreciated. thanks. Michelle From paul at thcwd.com Thu Nov 6 03:14:59 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 20:14:59 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Displaying Total Member Count In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031105115927.087883e8@mail.thcwd.com> AllKnightAccess wrote: > > Is there a way to display the total member count for each mailing list on > > the > > list admin overview and the mailing list overview pages (without having to > > login), similiar to how the list name and description is already displayed? Yes, but you will have to get a bit dirty. I've done it on the public list info page, but I think doing the same to the admin page would be about the same. The code you want to add is: Link(mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo'), Bold(mlist.real_name)), len(mlist.members) + len(mlist.digest_members) For reference, below is my /mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py starting with line 132 if advertised: table.AddRow([' ', ' ', ' ', ' ']) table.AddRow([Bold(FontAttr(_('List Information'), size='+2')), Bold(FontAttr(_('Members'), size='+2')), Bold(FontAttr(_('List Archive'), size='+2')), Bold(FontAttr(_('Description'), size='+2')) ]) highlight = 1 for mlist in advertised: table.AddRow( [Link(mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo'), Bold(mlist.real_name)), len(mlist.members) + len(mlist.digest_members), Link(mlist.GetBaseArchiveURL(), Bold('Archives')), mlist.description or Italic(_('[no description available]'))]) if highlight and mm_cfg.WEB_HIGHLIGHT_COLOR: table.AddRowInfo(table.GetCurrentRowIndex(), bgcolor="#e3bda3") highlight = not highlight doc.AddItem(table) doc.AddItem('
') doc.AddItem(MailmanLogo()) print doc.Format() You can see the results at http://svr01.thcwd.com/mailman/listinfo . <>< Paul From griswld at cio.sc.gov Thu Nov 6 03:51:23 2003 From: griswld at cio.sc.gov (Doug Griswold) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 21:51:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up big list. Message-ID: Hey guys, Do you have any suggestions on setting up a big site(100,000-125,000) announce list? Mostly how much memory is recommended from your experience? I thought I had it figured out that I wouldn't need that much memory but have been reading some recent posts that are stating Mailman is a memory hog. What's your thoughts? From tech-mail at prupref.com Thu Nov 6 04:13:15 2003 From: tech-mail at prupref.com (McKeever Chris) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:13:15 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments - PDF Issue (SOLVED) In-Reply-To: <59C2FC1E-0FA9-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <200311060313.hA63DFj18818@smtp1.prupref.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031105/25e8e36a/attachment.pot From russell at pcctalk.org Thu Nov 6 05:34:18 2003 From: russell at pcctalk.org (russell at pcctalk.org) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:34:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] All AOL subscribers got an unsubscribed notification today. Message-ID: <1068093258.3fa9cf4a18aa3@www.pcctalk.org> All of my discussion list's AOL subscribers got a notification that says "You have been unsubscribed from the Discussion mailing list" today. When I checked the mailman membership list, all the subscriptions still showed active. I don't understand why mailman notified them they were all unsubscribed when they were not. Any ideas? Related info: My list is suffering from a lot of AOL bounced mail problems lately just like many others are. From links at momsview.com Thu Nov 6 07:33:44 2003 From: links at momsview.com (Links at Momsview.com) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 01:33:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up big list. Message-ID: <02ef01c3a42f$f6953e60$0201a8c0@daddy> See my previous thread in the February Archive about a 140,000 member list: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-February/026400.html especially this message: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-February/026429.html while that was with 2.1 the same concepts apply to 2.1.3 I believe that there is at least one other mailman user with a list >100K that might offer some advice. From allan at lxd1.asiandevbank.org Thu Nov 6 08:51:42 2003 From: allan at lxd1.asiandevbank.org (Ako Ito) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:51:42 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade help Message-ID: <004501c3a43a$d1c08760$578b17ac@a3gts4> hello guys, can you guide me on how to upgrade my 2.0.6 mailman to the latest 2.1 version.. what are the requirements and would it convert all the archives files in hmtl format.. also would all the settings for each weblist still remain? thanks, allan From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Nov 6 09:13:10 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:13:10 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade help In-Reply-To: <004501c3a43a$d1c08760$578b17ac@a3gts4> Message-ID: <0F5E4BF1-1031-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 07:51 am, Ako Ito wrote: > hello guys, > can you guide me on how to upgrade my 2.0.6 mailman to the latest 2.1 > version.. what are the requirements and would it convert all the > archives files in hmtl format.. also would all the settings for each > weblist still remain? > First step you could take would be to download the latest stable MM 2.1.3 source release from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 gunzip and untar mailman-2.1.3.tgz and read the UPGRADING document file in the build directory just created. > thanks, > allan > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jp at warpix.org Thu Nov 6 18:43:34 2003 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:43:34 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] socket.gethostname() Message-ID: <20031106174334.E28013@warpix.org> I'm getting an error in LockFile.py at this point (line 180) :- self.__tmpfname = '%s.%s.%d' % ( lockfile, socket.gethostname(), os.getpid()) It looks as though the function socket.gethostname() is causing this error. How can I display the value returned by this funtion and where should it be retrieved from? ie should it be using $HOSTNAME ? -- John From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Nov 6 17:57:12 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:57:12 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] socket.gethostname() In-Reply-To: <20031106174334.E28013@warpix.org> Message-ID: <44865CC3-107A-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 05:43 pm, John Poltorak wrote: > > > I'm getting an error in LockFile.py at this point (line 180) :- > > self.__tmpfname = '%s.%s.%d' % ( > lockfile, socket.gethostname(), os.getpid()) > > It looks as though the function socket.gethostname() is causing this > error. > > How can I display the value returned by this funtion and where should > it > be retrieved from? ie should it be using $HOSTNAME ? > socket is a standard Python module. Its gethostname() function should return the same as the hostname shell command. From the command line you should be able to run python and get something like this: mailman at mailman2:~> hostname mailman2 mailman at mailman2:~> python Python 2.2.2 (#3, Feb 11 2003, 16:57:53) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import socket >>> socket.gethostname() 'mailman2' >>> import os >>> os.getpid() 17830 >>> import sys >>> sys.exit() mailman at mailman2:~> > > -- > John > > This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk > From jp at warpix.org Thu Nov 6 19:17:40 2003 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:17:40 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] socket.gethostname() In-Reply-To: <44865CC3-107A-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>; from Richard Barrett on Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 04:57:12PM +0000 References: <20031106174334.E28013@warpix.org> <44865CC3-107A-11D8-8896-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <20031106181740.F28013@warpix.org> On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 04:57:12PM +0000, Richard Barrett wrote: > > On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 05:43 pm, John Poltorak wrote: > > > > > > > I'm getting an error in LockFile.py at this point (line 180) :- > > > > self.__tmpfname = '%s.%s.%d' % ( > > lockfile, socket.gethostname(), os.getpid()) > > > > It looks as though the function socket.gethostname() is causing this > > error. > > > > How can I display the value returned by this funtion and where should > > it > > be retrieved from? ie should it be using $HOSTNAME ? > > > > socket is a standard Python module. Its gethostname() function should > return the same as the hostname shell command. From the command line > you should be able to run python and get something like this: Many thanks for this. > mailman at mailman2:~> hostname > mailman2 > mailman at mailman2:~> python > Python 2.2.2 (#3, Feb 11 2003, 16:57:53) > [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)] on linux2 > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > >>> import socket > >>> socket.gethostname() > 'mailman2' Where does value originate and should it match anything within Mailman's configuration? Is there any way to dump the value of self.__tmpfname to the logfile from the lines above ? This is what currently appears in the error log:- admin(648): File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 817, in __save admin(648): fname_tmp = fname + '.tmp.%s.%d' % (socket.gethostname(), os.getpid()) admin(648): error: (14, 'Bad address') I'm assuming that socket.gethostname() is the culprit. -- John From espiritu at cacities.org Thu Nov 6 18:52:36 2003 From: espiritu at cacities.org (Roger Espiritu) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:52:36 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments Message-ID: <783E96D4142B9548B92E59451AD42B37A88E13@lcc2.cacities.org> Hi Richard: I noticed that you were working on pdf issues/attachments etc... I was wondering if you can help me in regards to attachments in the archive lists... On my content filtering settings, these are my current settings: filter content on "no" nothing on "filter mime types" pass mime types: multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain convert html to plaintext: "no" filter action: "preserve" How do I have all attachments be accepted by the ListServ. I noticed that sometimes in the archive sections, excel files or word docs cannot be displayed and sometimes some messages with attachments can be viewed. Is there something that I need to set to have ALL attachments be accepted? I appreciate your help but if someone does know the solution to this...please help?!! -Roger -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:02 AM To: tech-mail at prupref.com Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachments - PDF Issue Chris On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 03:25 pm, McKeever Chris wrote: > > > On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:03 , Richard Barrett sent: > >> >> On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 12:58 am, McKeever Chris wrote: >> >>> I am trying to figure out how to resolve PDF's being converted into >>> .obj extensions in the archive (they get sent to list subscribers >>> still in .pdf >>> form). >>> >>> I have tried sending from multiple clients (yahoo, our webmail, and >>> Outlook Express) and I keep getting this issue. >>> >>> Ultimately, I would like the .obj to just be .PDF so end-users do not >>> get the 'open with' dialog box. >>> >>> Here is a sample archived message: >>> >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: x-4.pdf >>> Type: application/octet-stream >> >> You problem is the MIME type the MUA attaching the PDF file is putting >> in the Content-type. It appears to be saying it is >> application/octet-stream rather than application/pdf >> >> It is questionable practice to rely on the file suffix to ascribe >> content type and Mailman does not appear to so do, which is why a file >> originally called xxx.pdf becomes yyy.obj >> >> If the Content-type is corrected I think you will find Mailman >> extracts >> the attachments into .pdf suffixed filenames. >> >>> Size: 55233 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> Url : >>> http://list.domain.com/pipermail/filefax/attachments/20031104/ >>> ea6ccb1e/x-4-0001.obj >>> > > I understand that it is questionable, but there isnt _anything_ I can > do on the MUA side, and seeing that it isnt a public list/archive > that really only gets .pdf files (sent via a fax server) I dont think > it is all that dangerous. > > I need to figure out how to have the code rely on the extension over > the content type. If anyone has knowledge of modifying the > Scrubber.py (I think that is where it is) to allow this, please let me > know > Attached is a crude little patch that may solve your problem. You can apply the patch from within either the MM build directory and rerun ./configure and make install, or to the $prefix directory, using the following command: patch -p1 < path-to-patchfile Particularly if you decide to apply the patch to the MM $prefix directory then do first take a backup of $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py in case the patched code doesn't work and you need to revert. You will need to restart mailmanctl after applying the patch. Let me know how you get on. Richard From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Nov 6 18:59:28 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:59:28 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] socket.gethostname() In-Reply-To: <20031106181740.F28013@warpix.org> Message-ID: On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 06:17 pm, John Poltorak wrote: > On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 04:57:12PM +0000, Richard Barrett wrote: >> >> On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 05:43 pm, John Poltorak wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> I'm getting an error in LockFile.py at this point (line 180) :- >>> >>> self.__tmpfname = '%s.%s.%d' % ( >>> lockfile, socket.gethostname(), os.getpid()) >>> >>> It looks as though the function socket.gethostname() is causing this >>> error. >>> >>> How can I display the value returned by this funtion and where should >>> it >>> be retrieved from? ie should it be using $HOSTNAME ? >>> >> >> socket is a standard Python module. Its gethostname() function should >> return the same as the hostname shell command. From the command line >> you should be able to run python and get something like this: > > Many thanks for this. > > >> mailman at mailman2:~> hostname >> mailman2 >> mailman at mailman2:~> python >> Python 2.2.2 (#3, Feb 11 2003, 16:57:53) >> [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)] on linux2 >> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>>>> import socket >>>>> socket.gethostname() >> 'mailman2' > > Where does value originate and should it match anything within > Mailman's > configuration? > It originates within the system kernel. Read the man page for hostname. Like hostname, socket.gethostname() is calling a system C library function to get the information, which is quite independent of Mailman. > Is there any way to dump the value of self.__tmpfname to the logfile > from > the lines above ? > No because you would not running Mailman, just the Python interpreter from the command line. > This is what currently appears in the error log:- > > > admin(648): File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 817, in __save > admin(648): fname_tmp = fname + '.tmp.%s.%d' % > (socket.gethostname(), os.getpid()) > admin(648): error: (14, 'Bad address') > > This is a system error code, EFAULT, which means "Bad address", whatever that means. It is certainly abnormal and I suspect not a problem in MM per se. It could indicate an incipient memory problem or corrupt libraries or kernel or ... After discussion with a colleague we decided we couldn't identify any simple, obvious cause or course of action to take but it sounded like something was broken in the system. Is this a persistent or occasional problem? My first instincts are to reboot the system, maybe run a few diagnostics on memory and disk, and a full fsck and see if that clears it. With my knowledge of things this is SWAG territory. > I'm assuming that socket.gethostname() is the culprit. > If you called socket.gethostname() from the Python command line as I suggested in my previous message and got a sensible result, you are probably wrong in this assumption. > > -- > John > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From mail at schoeppi.net Thu Nov 6 19:09:42 2003 From: mail at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:09:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing aliases of other lists to a mailman list Message-ID: <20031106180942.GA3374@athlon.schoeppi.net> Hi! I'm wondering if mailman aliases can be used to subscribe to other lists on the same machine. Example: I have list1 at tdom1 and list2 at dom1 on the same machine. I configure my mta that it uses list1-subscribe at dom1 as senderaddress and that it has a valid mailaddress, where I can recive mails. After that i write with the address list1-subscribe at dom1 a mail to list2-subscribe at dom1 and because of the Reply-To-header with my valid address i recive the confirmation. I reply the confirmation also with the list1-subscribe at dom1 address and if no aproval of listadmins or moderators is required for a listsbuscribtion the list1-subscriebe address should be a member of list2 at dom1. Is mailman able to recognize, if anoyone wants a listsubscription with another mailman alias? If not, how can I make sure, that no other mailman aliases can be used for subscribtion? Thanks and best regards, Schoeppi -- Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: http://www.lily-rockt.de mail at schoeppi.net | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de From tech-mail at prupref.com Thu Nov 6 19:09:41 2003 From: tech-mail at prupref.com (McKeever Chris) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:09:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments In-Reply-To: <783E96D4142B9548B92E59451AD42B37A88E13@lcc2.cacities.org> Message-ID: <200311061809.hA6I9dj21886@smtp1.prupref.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031106/d4f6ff90/attachment.asc From jp at warpix.org Thu Nov 6 23:43:01 2003 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 22:43:01 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] socket.gethostname() In-Reply-To: ; from Richard Barrett on Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 05:59:28PM +0000 References: <20031106181740.F28013@warpix.org> Message-ID: <20031106224301.H28013@warpix.org> On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 05:59:28PM +0000, Richard Barrett wrote: > >>>>> import socket > >>>>> socket.gethostname() > >> 'mailman2' > > > > Where does value originate and should it match anything within > > Mailman's > > configuration? > > > > It originates within the system kernel. Read the man page for hostname. > Like hostname, socket.gethostname() is calling a system C library > function to get the information, which is quite independent of Mailman. I suppose I need to run it independently of Apache to see what is really going on. > > Is there any way to dump the value of self.__tmpfname to the logfile > > from > > the lines above ? > > > > No because you would not running Mailman, just the Python interpreter > from the command line. > > > This is what currently appears in the error log:- > > > > > > admin(648): File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 817, in __save > > admin(648): fname_tmp = fname + '.tmp.%s.%d' % > > (socket.gethostname(), os.getpid()) > > admin(648): error: (14, 'Bad address') > > > > > > This is a system error code, EFAULT, which means "Bad address", > whatever that means. It is certainly abnormal and I suspect not a > problem in MM per se. It could indicate an incipient memory problem or > corrupt libraries or kernel or ... I'm actually trying to get a ported version running. I'm not using Unix. > After discussion with a colleague we decided we couldn't identify any > simple, obvious cause or course of action to take but it sounded like > something was broken in the system. > > Is this a persistent or occasional problem? I'm just trying to get it set up, that's all. > My first instincts are to reboot the system, maybe run a few > diagnostics on memory and disk, and a full fsck and see if that clears > it. With my knowledge of things this is SWAG territory. > > > I'm assuming that socket.gethostname() is the culprit. > > > > If you called socket.gethostname() from the Python command line as I > suggested in my previous message and got a sensible result, you are > probably wrong in this assumption. It works fine from a Python command line, but I can't be sure the environment in which Apache is running is exactly the same. When I remove socket.gethostname() from the above line it works, so I'm quite it is the culprit. What I need is to discover the values which are being retrieved by LockFile.py. Not being a Python expert stops me from outputting the variables to a file or to the screen.... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk -- John From griswld at cio.sc.gov Thu Nov 6 23:55:31 2003 From: griswld at cio.sc.gov (Doug Griswold) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:55:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up big list. Message-ID: Thanks for the info, but I am using postfix. Anything other than what is in the FAQ's and documentation I should think about with a list this big and postfix? >>> Johan Janssen 11/06/03 12:17 PM >>> Hello, I have a announcement list with 130,000 members, Sending out a html newsletter every Monday in 45 minutes: Hardware: P4 2Hhz 1Gb Mem HD 20Gb OS: RH9.0 BUT you need too tune your sendmail and mailman configuration files else is won't work or takes up to 6 hours. 1. install a local dns caching service 2. tell your sendmail NOT to resolve every mail separetely 3. change this in mailman "Defaults.py": SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1 SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 0 MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS = 0 Succes, Johan Janssen -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Doug Griswold [mailto:griswld at cio.sc.gov] Verzonden: donderdag 6 november 2003 3:51 Aan: mailman-users at python.org Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] Setting up big list. Hey guys, Do you have any suggestions on setting up a big site(100,000-125,000) announce list? Mostly how much memory is recommended from your experience? I thought I had it figured out that I wouldn't need that much memory but have been reading some recent posts that are stating Mailman is a memory hog. What's your thoughts? From pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co Thu Nov 6 23:28:04 2003 From: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co (Pablo Chamorro C.) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:28:04 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] non-english chars incorrectly displayed Message-ID: I have in my mm_cfg.py for spanish lists: DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'iso-8859-1' VERBATIM_ENCODING = ['iso-8859-1'] but I have these little question: My Mailman web pages always show spanish characters correctly but when I subscribe a user whose name includes tildes or e?es, e.g.: Successfully invited: * "test: niño" (instead of ni?o) Why this happens? Thanks, Pablo From pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co Fri Nov 7 00:04:41 2003 From: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co (Pablo Chamorro C.) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:04:41 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] inexplicable UnicodeError Message-ID: As I wrote, I have in my mm_cfg.py for Spanish lists (Mailman 2.1.1): DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'iso-8859-1' VERBATIM_ENCODING = ['iso-8859-1'] I know that there are problems with the 'who ' command when the user's names include certain characters, but right now I was playing with the command 'who' without adding or deleting users and suddenly (after some 10 who requests) I stop receiving the answers and found this in the error log file: Nov 06 17:10:36 2003 (9455) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) Nov 06 17:10:36 2003 (9455) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 218, in _dispose res.send_response() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 147, in send_response results = MIMEText( UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) Some idea to fix this? It has happened to me several times under similar conditions not related with the users names. Thanks in advance, Pablo Chamorro C. From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Nov 7 00:05:57 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:05:57 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] socket.gethostname() In-Reply-To: <20031106224301.H28013@warpix.org> Message-ID: On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 10:43 pm, John Poltorak wrote: > On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 05:59:28PM +0000, Richard Barrett wrote: > >>>>>>> import socket >>>>>>> socket.gethostname() >>>> 'mailman2' >>> >>> Where does value originate and should it match anything within >>> Mailman's >>> configuration? >>> >> >> It originates within the system kernel. Read the man page for >> hostname. >> Like hostname, socket.gethostname() is calling a system C library >> function to get the information, which is quite independent of >> Mailman. > > I suppose I need to run it independently of Apache to see what is > really > going on. > > >>> Is there any way to dump the value of self.__tmpfname to the logfile >>> from >>> the lines above ? >>> >> >> No because you would not running Mailman, just the Python interpreter >> from the command line. >> >>> This is what currently appears in the error log:- >>> >>> >>> admin(648): File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 817, in __save >>> admin(648): fname_tmp = fname + '.tmp.%s.%d' % >>> (socket.gethostname(), os.getpid()) >>> admin(648): error: (14, 'Bad address') >>> >>> >> >> This is a system error code, EFAULT, which means "Bad address", >> whatever that means. It is certainly abnormal and I suspect not a >> problem in MM per se. It could indicate an incipient memory problem or >> corrupt libraries or kernel or ... > > I'm actually trying to get a ported version running. I'm not using > Unix. In that case the problem may be highlighting a deficiency in the 'UNIX-like' environment in which Python and Mailman are being asked to operate. The error seems to indicate that the Python port is trying to produce an emulation of a UNIX environment but failing at times. > >> After discussion with a colleague we decided we couldn't identify any >> simple, obvious cause or course of action to take but it sounded like >> something was broken in the system. >> >> Is this a persistent or occasional problem? > > I'm just trying to get it set up, that's all. I was trying to find out if this was a reproducible problem. > >> My first instincts are to reboot the system, maybe run a few >> diagnostics on memory and disk, and a full fsck and see if that clears >> it. With my knowledge of things this is SWAG territory. >> >>> I'm assuming that socket.gethostname() is the culprit. >>> >> >> If you called socket.gethostname() from the Python command line as I >> suggested in my previous message and got a sensible result, you are >> probably wrong in this assumption. > > It works fine from a Python command line, but I can't be sure the > environment in which Apache is running is exactly the same. > > When I remove socket.gethostname() from the above line it works, so I'm > quite it is the culprit. If you were running Linux I would think you were confusing issues here. Yes, the error may be being provoked by the execution of the gethostname() function but it is highly unlikely that it is the basic cause of the the error. Most likely, the function call is just triggering a latent defect in the system environment in which it is executing. But you are working with a different port of Python and presumably the implementation of modules such as socket are significantly different from the Linux/UNIX implementation. This may or may not be the source of your problem. But I am convinced this is not a MM problem. > > What I need is to discover the values which are being retrieved by > LockFile.py. Not being a Python expert stops me from outputting the > variables to a file or to the screen.... > > I'm not clear what you mean by 'retrieved'. Instances of the LockFile class are created in a number of places in Mailman source code: bash-2.05a$ find . -name "*.py" | xargs grep 'LockFile(' ./Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py: self._lock_file = LockFile.LockFile( ./Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py: self.lockfile = LockFile.LockFile(self.path + ".lock") ./Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py: lock = LockFile.LockFile(lockfile) ./Mailman/LockFile.py: lockfile = LockFile('/tmp/LockTest', withlogging=True, lifetime=120) ./Mailman/MailList.py: self.__lock = LockFile.LockFile( ./Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py: return LockFile.LockFile(LOCKFILE) ./Mailman/Pending.py: lock = LockFile.LockFile(LOCKFILE, ./Mailman/Pending.py: lock = LockFile.LockFile(LOCKFILE, ./Mailman/Pending.py: lock = LockFile.LockFile(LOCKFILE, In each case a file path is passed in as a parameter and a temporary file name is created by the statement in the LockFile class initialiser __init__() function with the statement: self.__tmpfname = '%s.%s.%d.%d' % ( lockfile, socket.gethostname(), os.getpid(), self.__counter) The use of the hostname (as provided by gethostname()), pid and a monotonically increasing counter is to ensure each temporary file name is unique. I suspect that if your Mailman port is not going to operate in a file sharing (between different hosts) environment that the inclusion of the hostname in the temporary file name is not strictly necessary. This would let you change the way the temporary file name is formed by pretending the latent defect in the underlying Python/system does not exist. You could probably change the code to read as follows without getting an immediate problem: self.__tmpfname = '%s.%d.%d' % ( lockfile, os.getpid(), self.__counter) There is a function of the LockFile class, __writelog() which you could use to write information to a log file. If you can be clearer about what you are trying to achieve I can suggest what code changes you can make to get the information you want logged. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From paul at thcwd.com Fri Nov 7 00:47:26 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:47:26 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Possible virtual domain solution Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031106174404.086d6910@mail.themarriagebed.com> A user over at Rackshack has come up with a way of getting Mailman to work on virtual domains with Ensim. I have not tired it, but pass it on for those interested. <>< Paul From randy.foo at hp.com Fri Nov 7 01:54:06 2003 From: randy.foo at hp.com (Foo, Randy) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:54:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't post to list Message-ID: <329CEF4E238E71429500F7A09094745F03BA7C19@cacexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net> Yes, mailmanctl was started. I did create the mailman list as well. The return message that I'm getting when trying to post to the list now is : Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: FW: test Sent: 11/6/2003 11:30 AM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: connery at myhost.hp.com on 11/6/2003 11:28 AM There was a SMTP communication problem with the recipient's email server. Please contact your system administrator. < myhost.hp.com #5.5.0 X-Unix; 69> Still haven't figured the problem out. Any other ideas? -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:53 AM To: Foo, Randy Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't post to list On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 01:14 am, Foo, Randy wrote: > > > Hi, > > Another newbie question: > Red Hat 9, > apache web server 2.0.47, > Mailman 2.1.2. compiled from both apache.org and the mailman site > source. Sendmail is the MTA > > I've created a list called "connery," through the web interface, but > cannot post to it. I entered the aliases for the list into > /etc/aliases, and ran newalias, and even tried putting an alias file > in at /etc/mail/aliases. So far, I haven't even gotten a bounce > message when trying to post - it's like the mail went into a black > hole. I presume the mail servers are probably holding the mail and > trying to deliver repeatedly. > > Sendmail 'seems' to be working, as the list creation mail went *out* > ok, > but perhaps it's not receiving. Not sure if this is a mailman issue. > Am also not versed in sendmail (who is? it's huge!) > > Any help in fixing this is greatly appreciated. > Did you create the mailman site list, run '$prefix/bin/mailmanctl start' and install the mailman crontab? > Randy > From paul at thcwd.com Fri Nov 7 02:02:24 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 19:02:24 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest problem Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031106185321.088185f0@mail.themarriagebed.com> I'm seeing a seemingly random problem with digests. The first line of the post as found in the mbox (From ....) is stuck right onto the end of the last line of the proceeding post, without even a space. The message is not recognized as a new message in the contents or in the body of the digest, and the full headers appear in the digest. I have not been able to find a pattern. even some of my posts have done this, while others with identical formatting do not. I am now monitoring the digest.mbox to see if I can catch it before it goes out. My guess is that the separating line is not being added? Any hints on where to dig for the problem appreciated. <>< Paul From mclark at cdtmail.org Fri Nov 7 02:33:18 2003 From: mclark at cdtmail.org (Michael Clark) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:33:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative Database page doesn't work Message-ID: Hi, Running Mailman 2.11, on RedHat 7.1, Sendmail, everything is working fine. Except that the Administrative Database interface doesn't actually do anything. I can see the requests that have accumulated, but none of the radio buttons actions do anything. What obvious problem am I missing? File and directory permissions look correct, mail is otherwise sent correctly, web approval of list subscription requests works. Thanks, Michael -- Michael Clark, Webmaster Center for Democracy and Technology 1634 Eye Street NW, Suite 1100 Washington, DC 20006 voice: 202-637-9800 http://www.cdt.org/ Join our Activist Network! Your participation can make a difference! http://www.cdt.org/join/ From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Nov 7 04:05:15 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 06 Nov 2003 22:05:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Possible virtual domain solution In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031106174404.086d6910@mail.themarriagebed.com> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031106174404.086d6910@mail.themarriagebed.com> Message-ID: <1068174315.3272.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 18:47, Paul H Byerly wrote: > A user over at Rackshack has come up with a way of getting Mailman to > work on virtual domains with Ensim. I have not tired it, but pass it on > for those interested. > > > <>< Paul > Pretty cool! That would be a great addition to the FAQ. Jon Carnes From p.der at tiscali.it Fri Nov 7 11:43:23 2003 From: p.der at tiscali.it (p.der at tiscali.it) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:43:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] https Message-ID: <3FAA851200001777@mail-4.tiscali.it> Hallo to everyone, I am a newbie of mailman. During this days I read many messages from this mailing-list before writing this. I want to use mailman under https and use the canonical name of the site (without www). First of all I have added the ollowing lines in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py: DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'mysite.org' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mysite.org DEFAULT_URL = 'https://mysite.org/mailman' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' PUBLIC_ARCHIVE URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/archive/%(listname)s' But of course this settings affect only the future. I would like to change also all internal links in saved pages like indexes. I have tried the command fix_url as suggested in some messages o this mailing-list: $prefix/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url It seems to work but it produce no effects on some internal links like attachment links. What could I do? I thought of using $prefix/arch command as I were regenerating the arch ve. What do you suggest? Other less important question: I have understood how move a list of members from a list to the another one (list_members on the source and add_members to the destination) But if I wanted to transfer also full names? And to move list settings? First use dumpdb on config.pck from the source list and then config_list -i Is it correct? Will all settings be transferred to the 'dest-list'? Thank you in advance and best regards aolo De Riso __________________________________________________________________ Tiscali ADSL SENZA CANONE, paghi solo quello che consumi! Navighi a 1,5 euro all'ora e il modem e' gratis! Abbonati subito. http://point.tiscali.it/Adsl/prodotti/senzacanone/ From pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co Fri Nov 7 13:14:43 2003 From: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co (Pablo Chamorro C.) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:14:43 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] https In-Reply-To: <3FAA851200001777@mail-4.tiscali.it> Message-ID: I don't know if it's enough to do it to a httpd level. I have this for Apache: RewriteEngine on RewriteCond %{HTTPS} !=on RewriteRule ^//(.*) https://%{SERVER_NAME}/mailman/$1 [R,L] and in this way it doesn't matter if the users access to http or https pages because all Mailman pages end up been displayed under https conections. Pablo On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 p.der at tiscali.it wrote: > Hallo to everyone, > > I am a newbie of mailman. During this days I read many messages from this > mailing-list before writing this. > I want to use mailman under https and use the canonical name of the site > (without www). > First of all I have added the > ollowing lines in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py: > > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'mysite.org' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mysite.org > DEFAULT_URL = 'https://mysite.org/mailman' > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE > URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/archive/%(listname)s' > > But of course this settings affect only the future. > I would like to change also all internal links in saved pages like indexes. > I have tried the command fix_url as suggested in some messages o > this mailing-list: > > $prefix/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url > > It seems to work but it produce no effects on some internal links like attachment > links. > What could I do? I thought of using $prefix/arch command as I were regenerating > the arch > ve. > > What do you suggest? > > Other less important question: > > I have understood how move a list of members from a list to the another > one (list_members on > the source and add_members to the destination) > But if I wanted to transfer also full names? > > > And to move list settings? > First use dumpdb on config.pck from the source list and then > config_list -i > Is it correct? Will all settings be transferred to the 'dest-list'? > > Thank you in advance and best regards > > > aolo De Riso From vicnoise at yahoo.com Fri Nov 7 13:52:09 2003 From: vicnoise at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?vicnoise=20.?=) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:52:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] News gateway Message-ID: <20031107125209.30685.qmail@web9503.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, under the "Mail-News Gateways" option there is a field that asks for "The Internet address of the machine your News server is running on". I was wondering what exactly is this feature and if there is a chance to use an external news server or if it must be as one already installed on the local machine. Shall I install my own News server on my hosting account (suggestion are welcome)? Thanks to everybody. vic ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: 6MB di spazio gratuito, 30MB per i tuoi allegati, l'antivirus, il filtro Anti-spam http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mail.yahoo.com/ From jskinner at whitneytx.net Fri Nov 7 13:59:24 2003 From: jskinner at whitneytx.net (JIM SKINNER) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 06:59:24 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 14, Issue 18 References: Message-ID: <001601c3a52e$f8874880$6b376c3f@skinny> Please don't send me any more digests. I just want to get access to the forum and other stuff on the web site. James Skinner jskinner at whitneytx.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:54 AM Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 14, Issue 18 > Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > mailman-users at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mailman-users-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mailman-users-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Today's Topics: > > 1. inexplicable UnicodeError (Pablo Chamorro C.) > 2. Re: socket.gethostname() (Richard Barrett) > 3. Possible virtual domain solution (Paul H Byerly) > 4. RE: Can't post to list (Foo, Randy) > 5. Digest problem (Paul H Byerly) > 6. Administrative Database page doesn't work (Michael Clark) > 7. Re: Possible virtual domain solution (Jon Carnes) > 8. https (p.der at tiscali.it) > 9. Re: https (Pablo Chamorro C.) > 10. News gateway ( vicnoise . ) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From atrick at prin.edu Fri Nov 7 14:07:20 2003 From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:07:20 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrator - always able to post? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031107070440.027f9db0@mail.prin.edu> Hi, I assumed that if someone's an administrator, they'd be able to post to a list. However, if they're also a member of the list, and the "Mod" bit is checked, then their messages are moderated like everyone else's, and they must approve their own posts before they go out. (This is an announcement list and by default members can't post to it.) Do I have a correct understanding? Admins must specifically also have "Mod" unchecked to freely post? Or does it sound like something might be wrong in my setup? Thanks, Allan From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Fri Nov 7 14:34:43 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:34:43 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] https In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <25085B62-1127-11D8-AA2C-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> On Friday, November 7, 2003, at 12:14 pm, Pablo Chamorro C. wrote: > I don't know if it's enough to do it to a httpd level. I have this for > Apache: > > RewriteEngine on > RewriteCond %{HTTPS} !=on > RewriteRule ^//(.*) https://%{SERVER_NAME}/mailman/$1 [R,L] > > and in this way it doesn't matter if the users access to http or https > pages because all Mailman pages end up been displayed under https > conections. > > Pablo > > On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 p.der at tiscali.it wrote: > >> Hallo to everyone, >> >> I am a newbie of mailman. During this days I read many messages from >> this >> mailing-list before writing this. >> I want to use mailman under https and use the canonical name of the >> site >> (without www). >> First of all I have added the >> ollowing lines in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py: >> >> DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'mysite.org' >> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mysite.org >> DEFAULT_URL = 'https://mysite.org/mailman' >> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' >> PUBLIC_ARCHIVE >> URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/archive/%(listname)s' >> >> But of course this settings affect only the future. >> I would like to change also all internal links in saved pages like >> indexes. >> I have tried the command fix_url as suggested in some messages o >> this mailing-list: >> >> $prefix/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url >> >> It seems to work but it produce no effects on some internal links >> like attachment >> links. >> What could I do? I thought of using $prefix/arch command as I were >> regenerating >> the arch >> ve. >> >> What do you suggest? >> With MM 2.1.x, the links from the HTML messages in archives to extracted attachments are generated as absolute URLs based on the list settings at the time the message was archived. The only solution if you change anything (scheme or host that affects these URLs) is to run bin/arch. >> Other less important question: >> >> I have understood how move a list of members from a list to the >> another >> one (list_members on >> the source and add_members to the destination) >> But if I wanted to transfer also full names? >> >> >> And to move list settings? >> First use dumpdb on config.pck from the source list and then >> config_list -i >> Is it correct? Will all settings be transferred to the 'dest-list'? >> >> Thank you in advance and best regards >> >> >> aolo De Riso > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk > From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Nov 7 14:47:26 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 07 Nov 2003 08:47:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] News gateway In-Reply-To: <20031107125209.30685.qmail@web9503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031107125209.30685.qmail@web9503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1068212846.3231.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 07:52, vicnoise . wrote: > Hi, > under the "Mail-News Gateways" option there is a field > that asks for "The Internet address of the machine > your News server is running on". I was wondering what > exactly is this feature and if there is a chance to > use an external news server or if it must be as one > already installed on the local machine. Shall I > install my own News server on my hosting account > (suggestion are welcome)? > > Thanks to everybody. > vic You can use this to move your mailing list posts out to *any* news server - or to pull in any news server postings to your mailing lists. It even supports news servers where you must login to post. enjoy - Jon Carnes From bankiz at dolmenhir.com Fri Nov 7 14:48:12 2003 From: bankiz at dolmenhir.com (bankiz at dolmenhir.com) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:48:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] First Install Message-ID: <003701c3a535$cc365b70$0100a8c0@carl> Hi all, I 've just downloaded the Mailman package and now I want install it on my web site Is there anyone who can help me ? Where I upload ? Is there a page to call to start the install ? Need to chnage some params ? Which pages ? Etc... TIA bankiz From jdecarlo at mitre.org Fri Nov 7 14:53:18 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:53:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrator - always able to post? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031107070440.027f9db0@mail.prin.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031107070440.027f9db0@mail.prin.edu> Message-ID: <3FABA3CE.5000202@mitre.org> Allan, Whether you are a list owner or a list moderator, that has nothing to do with you being able to post to the list. In fact, on some lists I have, moderators don't have permission to post to the list directly and have to approve their own posts. Allan Trick wrote: > Hi, > > I assumed that if someone's an administrator, they'd be able to post to > a list. However, if they're also a member of the list, and the "Mod" > bit is checked, then their messages are moderated like everyone else's, > and they must approve their own posts before they go out. (This is an > announcement list and by default members can't post to it.) > > Do I have a correct understanding? Admins must specifically also have > "Mod" unchecked to freely post? Or does it sound like something might > be wrong in my setup? -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Nov 7 14:54:58 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 07 Nov 2003 08:54:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrator - always able to post? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031107070440.027f9db0@mail.prin.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031107070440.027f9db0@mail.prin.edu> Message-ID: <1068213297.3231.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 08:07, Allan Trick wrote: > Hi, > > I assumed that if someone's an administrator, they'd be able to post to a > list. However, if they're also a member of the list, and the "Mod" bit is > checked, then their messages are moderated like everyone else's, and they > must approve their own posts before they go out. (This is an announcement > list and by default members can't post to it.) > > Do I have a correct understanding? Admins must specifically also have > "Mod" unchecked to freely post? Or does it sound like something might be > wrong in my setup? > > Thanks, > > Allan Sounds alright to me! Again (and again, and again)... the reasoning behind this is that *anyone* can spoof your email address and send a message to your lists. If you are not worried about that, then uncheck the Mod bit for your email address and have at it! Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Nov 7 15:00:56 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 07 Nov 2003 09:00:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] First Install In-Reply-To: <003701c3a535$cc365b70$0100a8c0@carl> References: <003701c3a535$cc365b70$0100a8c0@carl> Message-ID: <1068213656.3231.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 08:48, bankiz at dolmenhir.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I 've just downloaded the Mailman package and now I want install it on > my web site > > Is there anyone who can help me ? > > Where I upload ? Is there a page to call to start the install ? Need to > chnage some params ? Which pages ? Etc... > > TIA > > bankiz What Operating System are you using? What Mail Transport are you using? What Web Server are you using? Do you want to install using the source code - or install using a pre-made package? These questions and many more must be answered before folks can help you. Jon Carnes From p.der at tiscali.it Fri Nov 7 15:11:04 2003 From: p.der at tiscali.it (Paolo De Riso) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:11:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] https In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200311071506.46492.Paolo De Riso <>> Leaving the list archive as it is and using Apache module mod_rewrite was my first try. I used exactly the same rules the you have suggested. But it seems not work completely. I can't modify some settings in the administration page of the lists. Nevertheless if I didn't care about the internal link in http, the continuous jumping from http to https and viceversa produce (to the user) all that boring (in some case) window messages "you are leaving secure connection". In your case does it happen nothing about that? For these reasons I decided to try to "regenerate" the archive in order to have https in all links before activating mod_rewrite settings. Paolo On Fri November 7 2003 13:14, Pablo Chamorro C. wrote: > I don't know if it's enough to do it to a httpd level. I have this for > Apache: > > RewriteEngine on > RewriteCond %{HTTPS} !=on > RewriteRule ^//(.*) https://%{SERVER_NAME}/mailman/$1 [R,L] > > and in this way it doesn't matter if the users access to http or https > pages because all Mailman pages end up been displayed under https > conections. > > Pablo > > On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 p.der at tiscali.it wrote: > > Hallo to everyone, > > > > I am a newbie of mailman. During this days I read many messages from this > > mailing-list before writing this. > > I want to use mailman under https and use the canonical name of the site > > (without www). > > First of all I have added the > > ollowing lines in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py: > > > > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'mysite.org' > > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mysite.org > > DEFAULT_URL = 'https://mysite.org/mailman' > > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' > > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE > > URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/archive/%(listname)s' > > > > But of course this settings affect only the future. > > I would like to change also all internal links in saved pages like > > indexes. I have tried the command fix_url as suggested in some messages o > > this mailing-list: > > > > $prefix/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url > > > > It seems to work but it produce no effects on some internal links like > > attachment links. > > What could I do? I thought of using $prefix/arch command as I were > > regenerating the arch > > ve. > > > > What do you suggest? > > > > Other less important question: > > > > I have understood how move a list of members from a list to the another > > one (list_members on > > the source and add_members to the destination) > > But if I wanted to transfer also full names? > > > > > > And to move list settings? > > First use dumpdb on config.pck from the source list and then > > config_list -i > > Is it correct? Will all settings be transferred to the 'dest-list'? > > > > Thank you in advance and best regards > > > > > > aolo De Riso > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: p.der at tiscali.it > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/p.der%40tiscali.it From p.der at tiscali.it Fri Nov 7 15:20:52 2003 From: p.der at tiscali.it (Paolo De Riso) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:20:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] https In-Reply-To: <25085B62-1127-11D8-AA2C-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> References: <25085B62-1127-11D8-AA2C-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <200311071520.52381.p.der@tiscali.it> On Fri November 7 2003 14:34, Richard Barrett wrote: .... > >> It seems to work but it produce no effects on some internal links > >> like attachment > >> links. > >> What could I do? I thought of using $prefix/arch command as I were > >> regenerating > >> the arch > >> ve. > >> > >> What do you suggest? > > With MM 2.1.x, the links from the HTML messages in archives to > extracted attachments are generated as absolute URLs based on the list > settings at the time the message was archived. > > The only solution if you change anything (scheme or host that affects > these URLs) is to run bin/arch. So you say to use first: $prefix/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url and then use 'arch'. Can I just make a copy of .mbox in some other place and run $prefix/bin/arch mylist /path/to/.mbox without moving or touching the original files in archives? I don't know what the command 'arch' really does ... Thank you Paolo From stephen.pittman at wafoote.org Fri Nov 7 15:30:48 2003 From: stephen.pittman at wafoote.org (stephen.pittman at wafoote.org) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:30:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stephen I Pittman is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 11/07/2003 and will not return until 11/17/2003. I will be checking my messages occationally so I try to get back to you within a day or two From pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co Fri Nov 7 16:12:30 2003 From: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co (Pablo Chamorro C.) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:12:30 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] https In-Reply-To: <200311071506.46492.Paolo De Riso <>> Message-ID: I think you should consider do both, regenerate the archives and also enforce the https conections. Another idea is, if it's suitable for your users, is to install a browser like Firebird or another that doesn't show annoying messages like the ones you mention. By the way, the "saving web forms" of my browser has came up helpful when the Mailman authentication is required. On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Paolo De Riso wrote: > Leaving the list archive as it is and using Apache module mod_rewrite > was my first try. > I used exactly the same rules the you have suggested. > But it seems not work completely. I can't modify some settings in the > administration page of the lists. Nevertheless if I didn't care about the > internal link in http, the continuous jumping from http to https and viceversa > produce (to the user) all that boring (in some case) window messages > "you are leaving secure connection". > > In your case does it happen nothing about that? I don't think so, but I'm not completely sure because I've been just testing with my lists and I haven't paid too much attention. Maybe the good is my browser ;) Pablo > For these reasons I decided to try to "regenerate" the archive > in order to have https in all links before activating mod_rewrite settings. > > Paolo > > On Fri November 7 2003 13:14, Pablo Chamorro C. wrote: > > I don't know if it's enough to do it to a httpd level. I have this for > > Apache: > > > > RewriteEngine on > > RewriteCond %{HTTPS} !=on > > RewriteRule ^//(.*) https://%{SERVER_NAME}/mailman/$1 [R,L] > > > > and in this way it doesn't matter if the users access to http or https > > pages because all Mailman pages end up been displayed under https > > conections. > > > > Pablo > > From p.der at tiscali.it Fri Nov 7 16:41:40 2003 From: p.der at tiscali.it (Paolo De Riso) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:41:40 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] https In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200311071641.40971.p.der@tiscali.it> On Fri November 7 2003 16:12, Pablo Chamorro C. wrote: > I think you should consider do both, regenerate the archives and also > enforce the https conections. Another idea is, if it's suitable for your > users, is to install a browser like Firebird or another that doesn't show > annoying messages like the ones you mention. By the way, the "saving web > forms" of my browser has came up helpful when the Mailman authentication > is required. Yes finally I would do both, just to be sure everyone use https via. I can't say anything about browsers to my users :( I have to do the things in the most transaparent and most portable way. > > On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Paolo De Riso wrote: > > Leaving the list archive as it is and using Apache module mod_rewrite > > was my first try. > > I used exactly the same rules the you have suggested. > > But it seems not work completely. I can't modify some settings in the > > administration page of the lists. Nevertheless if I didn't care about the > > internal link in http, the continuous jumping from http to https and > > viceversa produce (to the user) all that boring (in some case) window > > messages "you are leaving secure connection". > > > > In your case does it happen nothing about that? > > I don't think so, but I'm not completely sure because I've been just > testing with my lists and I haven't paid too much attention. Maybe the > good is my browser ;) > > Pablo It could depends on the browser .... but also on something during form submitting and httpd redirection. Anyway thank you!! Paolo From jp at warpix.org Fri Nov 7 17:45:03 2003 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:45:03 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delivery via Sendmail Message-ID: <20031107164503.I28013@warpix.org> Is there an option to send outgoing mail via Sendmail? -- John From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Nov 7 16:46:24 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:46:24 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] https In-Reply-To: <200311071520.52381.p.der@tiscali.it> Message-ID: <8AF4CED5-1139-11D8-AA2C-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Friday, November 7, 2003, at 02:20 pm, Paolo De Riso wrote: > On Fri November 7 2003 14:34, Richard Barrett wrote: > > .... > >>>> It seems to work but it produce no effects on some internal links >>>> like attachment >>>> links. >>>> What could I do? I thought of using $prefix/arch command as I were >>>> regenerating >>>> the arch >>>> ve. >>>> >>>> What do you suggest? >> >> With MM 2.1.x, the links from the HTML messages in archives to >> extracted attachments are generated as absolute URLs based on the list >> settings at the time the message was archived. >> >> The only solution if you change anything (scheme or host that affects >> these URLs) is to run bin/arch. > > So you say to use first: > $prefix/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url and then use 'arch'. > Can I just make a copy of .mbox in some other place and run > $prefix/bin/arch mylist /path/to/.mbox > without moving or touching the original files in archives? > I don't know what the command 'arch' really does ... > If you run $prefix/bin/arch --help it will print its usage. If you run: $prefix/bin/arch --wipe arch will first delete and then reconstruct the archives under $prefix/archives/private/.mbox/.mbox. You can tell it to use other mbox files; see the commands usage. > Thank you > > Paolo ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co Fri Nov 7 17:30:15 2003 From: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co (Pablo Chamorro C.) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:30:15 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] inexplicable UnicodeError In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Given my circunstances I tried including these lines from Mailman 2.1.3: # Encode any unicode strings into the list charset, so we don't try to # join unicode strings and invalid ASCII. charset = Utils.GetCharSet(self.mlist.preferred_language) encoded_resp = [] for item in resp: if isinstance(item, UnicodeType): item = item.encode(charset, 'replace') encoded_resp.append(item) results = MIMEText(NL.join(encoded_resp), _charset=charset) and commenting these: # results = MIMEText( # NL.join(resp), # _charset=Utils.GetCharSet(self.mlist.preferred_language)) and (in spite of my ignorance) it seems it works! Pablo On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Pablo Chamorro C. wrote: > As I wrote, I have in my mm_cfg.py for Spanish lists (Mailman 2.1.1): > > DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'iso-8859-1' > VERBATIM_ENCODING = ['iso-8859-1'] > > I know that there are problems with the 'who ' command when the > user's names include certain characters, but right now I was playing with > the command 'who' without adding or deleting users and suddenly (after > some 10 who requests) I stop receiving the answers and found this in the > error log file: > > Nov 06 17:10:36 2003 (9455) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII decoding > error: ordinal not in range(128) > Nov 06 17:10:36 2003 (9455) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 218, in > _dispose > res.send_response() > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 147, in > send_response > results = MIMEText( > UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) > > Some idea to fix this? It has happened to me several times under similar > conditions not related with the users names. From friendly_43210 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 6 01:07:06 2003 From: friendly_43210 at yahoo.com (Zaw Min) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:07:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Sendmail 8.12.8 Message-ID: <20031106000706.11776.qmail@web41307.mail.yahoo.com> I am running Mailman 2.1.2 on Redhat 9 with Sendmail 8.12.8. Server is P4 2.0GHz with 512MB memory and running pdnsd (DNS proxy) on it. The problem is mail delivery is so slow. Mail delivery is like 1000 mails per hour. There are almost 5,000 members and it tooks more than 4 hours to deliver all the mails. Is there anything i need to tweak in Mailman ? I changed the Max Rcpt to 500(default) to 100. I think problem is with Sendmail ..if I check the queue all the email addr are listed there waiting to be delivered. Any of you come across any fix or tweak for this ? Any info will be really helpful. Thanks in advance, Zaw Min --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard From bj at spaceart.org Thu Nov 6 09:28:28 2003 From: bj at spaceart.org (B.E.Johnson) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 00:28:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Base URL for Mailman 2.1.x? Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031106002412.00d4edb0@imperialearth.com> Hi, I'm getting used to the new interface, having moved from a v2.0 server and find that, in the new compile at least, the Base URL for Mailman web interface option is missing. our members have become used to having the list address and config pages appear in our domain space. Has this been removed from the new version or is it only missing in our local setup? Thanks. B.E.Johnson Space: To go and learn is reason enough! bj at spaceart.org http://spaceart.org/ From mailman-users at montpeculier.com Thu Nov 6 17:30:35 2003 From: mailman-users at montpeculier.com (Andrew) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:30:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Config Question: Enabling Personalization on a Per-List Basis Message-ID: <35998.65.19.91.132.1068136235.squirrel@mail.montpeculier.com> Is there a way to enable personalization on a per-list basis? I would rather not enable OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION for the entire system. I used bin/listconfig to output the config file and there are no such options, that I have found, to do this. Is there a hidden or undocumented option I might be able to set using bin/listconfig to enable this feature for a single list? I haven't seen the web_page_url option in any of the WWW-based configuration screens or in the output of bin/listconfig and yet you can set this option to alter a list's behaviour so I am hopeful that such an option exists. :) From mailman-users at montpeculier.com Thu Nov 6 23:00:35 2003 From: mailman-users at montpeculier.com (Andrew) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:00:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Config Question: Enabling Personalization on a Per-List Basis Message-ID: <37859.65.19.91.132.1068156035.squirrel@mail.montpeculier.com> Is there a way to enable personalization on a per-list basis? I would rather not enable OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION for the entire system. I used bin/listconfig to output the config file and there are no such options, that I have found, to do this. Is there a hidden or undocumented option I might be able to set using bin/listconfig to enable this feature for a single list? I haven't seen the web_page_url option in any of the WWW-based configuration screens or in the output of bin/listconfig and yet you can set this option to alter a list's behaviour so I am hopeful that such an option exists. :) From dolcom at dolmenhir.com Fri Nov 7 14:44:02 2003 From: dolcom at dolmenhir.com (dolcom) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:44:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] First install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003401c3a535$367da700$0100a8c0@carl> Hi all, I 've just downloaded the Mailman package and now I want install it on my web site Is there anyone who can help me ? Where I upload ? Is there a page to call to start the install ? Need to chnage some params ? Which pages ? Etc... TIA bankiz From puntomaupunto at tin.it Wed Nov 5 19:51:31 2003 From: puntomaupunto at tin.it (Maurizio Codogno) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:51:31 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Date: redefined after rebuilding archives Message-ID: <3F8CA1050001E6AD@ims4a.cp.tin.it> I ran bin/arch --wipe on a (merged) mbox file for a list, and I noticed that all Date: header lines are changed . Look at http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/private/tex-music/2003-October.txt for an example. What was wrong with this? ciao, .mau. From bbeckwith at pir.org Thu Nov 6 17:26:13 2003 From: bbeckwith at pir.org (Bruce Beckwith) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:26:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman as used by Mac users Message-ID: <5E24F447A775CD4AAC810623F951A126137AF2@shark.pir.com> Hello. Are you aware of any problems with users of the software that utilize Mac computers? I've got a member who has chosen the "digest" option, though when he gets emails, they appear to be a random series of characters. We are using Mailman 2.0.13, and the digest option flag is set to "text". Thanks in advance for your hints and response. Regards, Bruce From jlopez at televozltda.com Fri Nov 7 17:15:56 2003 From: jlopez at televozltda.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jaime_L=F3pez?=) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:15:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] PROBLEM LIST Message-ID: <000201c3a54a$70ba0cf0$0a01010a@jaimel> hi, We have a cpanel service and we have created some list for internal proposes but all list messages can be read by internet. Could you send us how set up the list to avoid this problem? I?m expecting a soon answer. Jaime L?pez TELEVOZ LTDA From paul at thcwd.com Fri Nov 7 19:55:30 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:55:30 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Digest problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031107123307.0886eda0@mail.thcwd.com> I wrote: > I'm seeing a seemingly random problem with digests. The first line >of the post as found in the mbox (From ....) is stuck right onto the end of >the last line of the proceeding post, without even a space. The message is >not recognized as a new message in the contents or in the body of the >digest, and the full headers appear in the digest. I have not been able to >find a pattern. even some of my posts have done this, while others with >identical formatting do not. I am now monitoring the digest.mbox to see if >I can catch it before it goes out. My guess is that the separating line is >not being added? Any hints on where to dig for the problem appreciated. Okay, I've caught it in action. The first one below is from the digest.mbox the second two from a digest. Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuardFrom xxx at foo.foo.com Fri Nov 7 07:52:27 2003 Reality: a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there! <>< Paul From xxx at foo.bar.com Thu Nov 6 13:58:01 2003 Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuardFrom paul at themarriagebed.com Tue Nov 4 22:50:12 2003 It seems that a fair number, but not all, of the errors follow a post with a Yahoo ad at the end. The second one above follows a post from me which had nothing tacked on the end, the third one runs into a post from me, and again, nothing non standard. I checked the archive mbox for the second instance above, and it has: Reality: a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there! <>< Paul From xxx at foo.bar.com Thu Nov 6 13:58:01 2003 There is a missing blank line, but the two posts are not run up against each other and the system does recognize them as two different posts. While I'd like to know why, my first concern is fixing it. Is there a way to force an extra blank line between posts when creating the digest mbox? <>< Paul From anna at water.ca.gov Fri Nov 7 22:08:37 2003 From: anna at water.ca.gov (Fong, Anna) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:08:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] exclamation marks, carriage returns, and admin approval Message-ID: Hi, We have an announce-only list. We used to have implicit approval on out-going admin messages. Then we got spammed and had to change to explicit approval for admin messages. When we did that, we noticed that the messages thru Mailman got processed differently. Exclamation marks were inserted into paragraphs over 980 characters long and messages no longer were word wrapped. The user composes his messages in MS Outlook and nothing else has changed. I've read the long debate over carriage returns in the archives and I understand Mailman doesn't word wrap. So where and how do I fix whatever it is that I need to fix so the "behavior" of the list is what it used to be, prior to changing to explicit approval? Thanks in advance for your advice, Anna -------------------------------------------------------- Anna Q. Fong, Webmaster California Data Exchange Center From randy.foo at hp.com Fri Nov 7 23:36:10 2003 From: randy.foo at hp.com (Foo, Randy) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:36:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Smrsh problem on redhat Message-ID: <329CEF4E238E71429500F7A09094745F03B65259@cacexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net> I have a red hat 9 system with mailman and apache. Sendmail is more or less working, but I can't post to the lists because it looks like smrsh (the restricted sendmail shell) can't run the mailman script - /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman I know it might be possible to enter the script into /etc/smrsh so that it can be executed, but the man pages advise against doing that. Has anyone run into this before? What did you do as a fix? Or... If anyone has any suggestions feel free to fire away. Thanks, Randy From jp at warpix.org Sat Nov 8 01:03:20 2003 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 00:03:20 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delivery Module Message-ID: <20031108000320.G28013@warpix.org> Can anyone explain the difference betweem SMTPDirect and Sendmail ? If I select Sendmail will outgoing mail be held in Sendmail spool queue? -- John From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sat Nov 8 00:41:27 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 23:41:27 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delivery Module In-Reply-To: <20031108000320.G28013@warpix.org> Message-ID: On Saturday, November 8, 2003, at 12:03 am, John Poltorak wrote: > > > Can anyone explain the difference betweem SMTPDirect and Sendmail ? SMTPDirect is generic and will work with any SMTP compliant MTA for handling outgoing messages. As a consequence, the MTA does not have to reside on the same machine as Mailman. Sendmail runs/spawns a local instance of sendmail (or any MTA that is masquerading as sendmail on your system) and is deprecated for performance and security reasons. Read the comments at the head of $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py and do not use it. > > If I select Sendmail will outgoing mail be held in Sendmail spool > queue? > Yes. All the delivery method does is pass outgoing messages to the MTA. > -- > John ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From nate at plsweb.com Sat Nov 8 01:00:13 2003 From: nate at plsweb.com (Nate Perry-Thistle) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:00:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Smrsh problem on redhat In-Reply-To: <329CEF4E238E71429500F7A09094745F03B65259@cacexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>; from randy.foo@hp.com on Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 02:36:10PM -0800 References: <329CEF4E238E71429500F7A09094745F03B65259@cacexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20031107190013.A6025@plsweb.com> Hi Randy, I disagree slightly: the smrsh man page doesn't say "don't do it", it says "be conservative" and in this case you'll have to allow /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman to be executed by Sendmail to make Mailman useful. This is addressed in README.SENDMAIL: SENDMAIL `smrsh' COMPATIBILITY Many newer versions of Sendmail come with a restricted execution utility called "smrsh", which limits the executables that Sendmail will allow to be used as mail filter programs. You need to explicitly allow Mailman's wrapper program to be used with smrsh before it will work. If mail is not getting delivered to Mailman's wrapper program and you're getting an "operating system error" in your mail syslog, this could be your problem. One good way of doing this is to: - cd into /etc/smrsh (or where ever it happens to reside on your system, such as /var/smrsh or /usr/local/smrsh). - create a symbolic link to Mailman's wrapper program For example, if you've installed Mailman in the standard location, you can just execute these commands (you might have to do these as root): % cd /etc/smrsh % ln -s /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman mailman Hope that's an acceptable answer. Best, n. On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 02:36:10PM -0800, Foo, Randy wrote: > > > I have a red hat 9 system with mailman and apache. Sendmail is more or > less working, but I can't post to the lists because it looks like smrsh > (the restricted sendmail shell) can't run the mailman script - > /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman > > I know it might be possible to enter the script into /etc/smrsh so that > it can be executed, but the man pages advise against doing that. Has > anyone run into this before? What did you do as a fix? Or... If anyone > has any suggestions feel free to fire away. > > Thanks, > > Randy > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: nate at plsweb.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/nate%40plsweb.com -- Nate Perry-Thistle Director of Technology Performance Learning Systems, Inc. http://www.plsweb.com/ From vince.skahan at boeing.com Sat Nov 8 04:35:15 2003 From: vince.skahan at boeing.com (Skahan, Vince) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:35:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redhat9 mailman + postfix permissions problem Message-ID: <1C16569DFF0D3D4699EFA6C64D37DAE0013EFBD9@xch-nw-07.nw.nos.boeing.com> I'm running redhat9 with postfix as the MTA and mailman installed with tweaks that I picked up in the FAQ and the mailman postfix howto posted to the list at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-September/022370.html My mm_cfg.py contains the following: MAILMAN_USER = 'mailman' MAILMAN_GROUP = 'mailman' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'myhost.domain.here' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'myhost.domain.here' MTA='Postfix' Works great other than the list creation aborts out due to a permission problem in running '/usr/sbin/postalias /var/mailman/data/aliases' after the aliases file has the pertinent entries added. I know it's trivial to log in and run the postalias command as root, but has anybody solved this problem with sudo or the like so that the whole list creation mechanism can happen via the web interface ? Any help would be appreciated... -------- vince.skahan at boeing.com ---------- Connexion by Boeing - Cabin Network From dhphllps at memphis.edu Sat Nov 8 05:30:30 2003 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 22:30:30 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redhat9 mailman + postfix permissions problem In-Reply-To: <1C16569DFF0D3D4699EFA6C64D37DAE0013EFBD9@xch-nw-07.nw.nos.boeing.com> References: <1C16569DFF0D3D4699EFA6C64D37DAE0013EFBD9@xch-nw-07.nw.nos.boeing.com> Message-ID: <493DDEF3-11A4-11D8-BFD0-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> On Nov 7, 2003, at 9:35 PM, Skahan, Vince wrote: > Works great other than the list creation aborts out due to a > permission problem > in running '/usr/sbin/postalias /var/mailman/data/aliases' after the > aliases file has > the pertinent entries added. > see: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp From vince.skahan at boeing.com Sat Nov 8 05:45:55 2003 From: vince.skahan at boeing.com (Skahan, Vince) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:45:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redhat9 mailman + postfix permissions problem Message-ID: <1C16569DFF0D3D4699EFA6C64D37DAE0013EFBDC@xch-nw-07.nw.nos.boeing.com> Fixed. When you run 'rmlist' as root, it alters the permissions on aliases to root:mailman and root's usually more restrictive umask. Setting it to mailman:mailman and 0664 as per the FAQ section 6.9 took care of things. Thanks to Dan Phillips for the reminder... -------- vince.skahan at boeing.com ---------- Connexion by Boeing - Cabin Network -----Original Message----- From: Skahan, Vince Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 7:35 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redhat9 mailman + postfix permissions problem I'm running redhat9 with postfix as the MTA and mailman installed with tweaks that I picked up in the FAQ and the mailman postfix howto posted to the list at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-September/022370.html My mm_cfg.py contains the following: MAILMAN_USER = 'mailman' MAILMAN_GROUP = 'mailman' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'myhost.domain.here' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'myhost.domain.here' MTA='Postfix' Works great other than the list creation aborts out due to a permission problem in running '/usr/sbin/postalias /var/mailman/data/aliases' after the aliases file has the pertinent entries added. I know it's trivial to log in and run the postalias command as root, but has anybody solved this problem with sudo or the like so that the whole list creation mechanism can happen via the web interface ? Any help would be appreciated... -------- vince.skahan at boeing.com ---------- Connexion by Boeing - Cabin Network ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: vince.skahan at boeing.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/vince.skahan%40boeing.com From jp at warpix.org Sat Nov 8 11:18:33 2003 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 10:18:33 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] External mail disappears Message-ID: <20031108101833.H28013@warpix.org> I've just managed to get Mailman (v2.0.13) working, but have found that external mail disappears. I can subscribe and post msgs from the same domain, but anyone subscribing from another domain does not get any response. Where do I look to see at what point the failures occur? There are no entries in logs/error. The incoming mail gets as far as the qfiles directory and is then processed by qrunner and there are relevant entries in logs/subscribe but no confirmation msg is sent out, although this process does work fine for the local domain. Is there any way to trace what is going on? I tried changing delivery_module to Sendmail in case I could get a better idea about what was going on, but nothing gets sent to Sendmail. -- John From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Nov 8 10:32:44 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 08 Nov 2003 04:32:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] External mail disappears In-Reply-To: <20031108101833.H28013@warpix.org> References: <20031108101833.H28013@warpix.org> Message-ID: <1068283964.4856.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Check FAQ 3.14 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py This problem looks like you don't have your mailserver setup properly. Take a look at the logs for your MTA and see if you are getting "relay denied" notices. Jon Carnes On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 05:18, John Poltorak wrote: > I've just managed to get Mailman (v2.0.13) working, but have found that > external mail disappears. > > I can subscribe and post msgs from the same domain, but anyone subscribing > from another domain does not get any response. > > Where do I look to see at what point the failures occur? There are no > entries in logs/error. > > The incoming mail gets as far as the qfiles directory and is then > processed by qrunner and there are relevant entries in logs/subscribe > but no confirmation msg is sent out, although this process does work fine > for the local domain. > > Is there any way to trace what is going on? > > I tried changing delivery_module to Sendmail in case I could get a better > idea about what was going on, but nothing gets sent to Sendmail. > From jp at warpix.org Sat Nov 8 11:47:19 2003 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 10:47:19 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] External mail disappears In-Reply-To: <1068283964.4856.45.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from Jon Carnes on Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 04:32:44AM -0500 References: <20031108101833.H28013@warpix.org> <1068283964.4856.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031108104719.J28013@warpix.org> On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 04:32:44AM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > Check FAQ 3.14 > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > This problem looks like you don't have your mailserver setup properly. > Take a look at the logs for your MTA and see if you are getting "relay > denied" notices. Actually, I had just spotted that after I had sent my msg. I got it working by changing Sendmail's LocalIP to include 127.0.0.1, but I'm not sure about the consequences of doing that. Maybe I should change Mailman's SMTPHOST to 192.168.0.1... -- John > Jon Carnes > > On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 05:18, John Poltorak wrote: > > I've just managed to get Mailman (v2.0.13) working, but have found that > > external mail disappears. > > > > I can subscribe and post msgs from the same domain, but anyone subscribing > > from another domain does not get any response. > > > > Where do I look to see at what point the failures occur? There are no > > entries in logs/error. > > > > The incoming mail gets as far as the qfiles directory and is then > > processed by qrunner and there are relevant entries in logs/subscribe > > but no confirmation msg is sent out, although this process does work fine > > for the local domain. > > > > Is there any way to trace what is going on? > > > > I tried changing delivery_module to Sendmail in case I could get a better > > idea about what was going on, but nothing gets sent to Sendmail. > > > From Lena at lena.kiev.ua Sat Nov 8 12:20:00 2003 From: Lena at lena.kiev.ua (Lena at lena.kiev.ua) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:20:00 +0200 (EET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman as used by Mac users In-Reply-To: <5E24F447A775CD4AAC810623F951A126137AF2@shark.pir.com> Message-ID: > From: "Bruce Beckwith" > Are you aware of any problems with users of the software that utilize > Mac computers? I've got a member who has chosen the "digest" option, > though when he gets emails, they appear to be a random series of > characters. > > We are using Mailman 2.0.13, and the digest option flag is set to > "text". Which language most of messages on your list are in? Does that language use exclusively 8-bit non-Latin characters (such as Russian, Greek, Hebrew, Arabic, Japanese, Chinese, Korean etc.)? Lena From jp at warpix.org Sat Nov 8 13:47:38 2003 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:47:38 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting from Majordomo Message-ID: <20031108124738.M28013@warpix.org> Are there any handy tips for converting a list from Majordomo to Mailman? -- John From konstant at rbcmail.ru Sat Nov 8 14:07:08 2003 From: konstant at rbcmail.ru (Konstantin Ovchinnikov) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 16:07:08 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] language problem Message-ID: <200311081607.08062.konstant@rbcmail.ru> Hello all. Mailman is localized and it's quite clear, how to add a language to a specific maillist. But a have no idea, how to make Russian the default language for the whole site. The problem is that maillist descriptions are in Russian, but the charset encoding for the maillists overview page is US-ASCII. -- Kostya. From Thorsten_Reichelt at gmx.de Sat Nov 8 14:31:03 2003 From: Thorsten_Reichelt at gmx.de (Thorsten Reichelt) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 14:31:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Illegal command: mailowner" fills my logfiles Message-ID: <773123461.20031108143103@gmx.de> Hello ! A few days ago I have updated by old Mailman installation from mailman 2.0.x to 2.1.3 using apt-get on my Debian system. Now my logfiles are full of messages like this: Nov 8 08:00:03 snert postfix/local[21681]: 806391FFCB: to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (Command died with status 6: "/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner etv". Command output: Illegal command: mailowner ) and Nov 4 22:20:56 snert postfix/local[28078]: BA90F1FECC: to=, relay=local, delay=2, status=bounced (Command died with status 6: "/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd erstis". Command output: Illegal command: mailcmd ) Nov 4 22:20:56 snert Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command: mailcmd [...many more...] I don't know how to repair this. Do I have to change something in /etc/aliases ? At the moment it looks like: [...] # Mailman Aliases mailman: webmaster owner-mailman: webmaster mailman-owner: webmaster ## erstis mailing list ## created: 30-Sep-2003 root erstis: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post erstis" erstis-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner erstis" erstis-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd erstis" erstis-owner: erstis-admin ## etv mailing list ## created: 26-Mar-2003 root etv: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post etv" etv-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner etv" etv-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd etv" etv-owner: etv-admin [...] There seems something wrong with the Debian archive version. Thank you for your help !! Thorsten Reichelt -- There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who undestand binary and those who don't. From tech-mail at prupref.com Sat Nov 8 15:58:43 2003 From: tech-mail at prupref.com (McKeever Chris) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 08:58:43 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] External mail disappears In-Reply-To: <20031108101833.H28013@warpix.org> Message-ID: <200311081458.hA8Ewgj32646@smtp1.prupref.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031108/8f8de73f/attachment.pot From alberto at marcedone.it Sat Nov 8 22:00:53 2003 From: alberto at marcedone.it (Alberto Marcedone) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 22:00:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug... Message-ID: <000b01c3a63b$66146600$6401a8c0@marcedon.it> any suggestion? Bug in Mailman version 2.1.3 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 219, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create _update_maps() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /home/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2002, 16:21:58) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Mandrake Linux 8.2 2.96-0.76mdk)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux-i386 Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, application/x-shockwave-flash, */* CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_REFERER http://www.xxxxxxxx.it/mailman/create SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/1.3.23 (Mandrake Linux/4.1mdk) PHP/4.1.2 PYTHONPATH /home/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /home/mailman/cgi-bin/create SERVER_ADMIN alberto at linuxsicilia SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/1.3.23 Server at www.linuxsicilia.it Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST www.xxxxxxxxxx.it SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL no-cache REQUEST_URI /mailman/create CONTENT_LENGTH 144 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive SERVER_NAME www.xxxxxxxxx.it REMOTE_ADDR 192.168.1.100 REMOTE_PORT 1251 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE it,en-us;q=0.5 SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate SERVER_ADDR 192.168.1.150 DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/xxxxxxxxx/html From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Sat Nov 8 22:29:42 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 16:29:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug... In-Reply-To: <000b01c3a63b$66146600$6401a8c0@marcedon.it> References: <000b01c3a63b$66146600$6401a8c0@marcedon.it> Message-ID: <20031108212942.GA2049@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alberto Marcedone wrote: > any suggestion? Sure. Check the FAQ. Re-read README.POSTFIX. > Bug in Mailman version 2.1.3 > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of > this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what > happened. Thanks! > Traceback: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main > main() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main > process_request(doc, cgidata) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 219, in process_request > sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create > _update_maps() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps > raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) > RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /home/mailman/data/aliases > (status: 1, Operation not permitted) - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== The Constitution continues to remain no threat to our current form of government. -- Joseph Sobran -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/rWBGuv+09NZUB1oRAqsjAJ9eSxGjib+M9tQAtlRloUgqsDGiVACdHrDF j8fM19mZjbZ83K/qtIchxK0= =U4ZU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From moochie at ondercin.com Sat Nov 8 23:28:27 2003 From: moochie at ondercin.com (M Ondercin) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 15:28:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL and spam reports In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031104222309.08713fe0@mail.thcwd.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031108151431.02276b60@192.168.1.42> At 10:25 PM 11/4/2003 -0600, you wrote: > If you really have to deal with this, then send a final notice that > all AOL users will be set to nomail and must set themselves back if they > want to be on the list. Include directions for resetting from > Nomail. Send the message, generate a digest, then change all the AOL folks. > It's that or unsub the lot of them. Thanks, But since that wasn't a viable option, I waited until I recieved the next set of 554 bounces and called AOL's Postmaster number 1-888-212-5537, since we'd never gotten any info back from the email addresses on http://postmaster.info.aol.com/ or been able to find the error on those pages. The error is: (reason: 554 TRANSACTION FAILED 554 AOL will not accept delivery of this message) The 554 error is a new one, they don't even have much info on it in their help resources. They ran our site through their test procedures and verified that we weren't blacklisted, and that we weren't an open relay and etc. The current fix that they are offering is to whitelist your site (take all the contact info and such), so they can work with you on the problem directly when it comes up. The tech I talked to couldn't find a reason why the messages were being bounced. Especially since there is no pattern to the bouncing as far as mime/no mime, attachment/no attachment VERP/no VERP. It's been completely random. Since I haven't been able to find anything specific on this in the FAQ's or Archives, I thought I'd share what little we've been able to find out on this problem. M Ondercin. ----- M. Ondercin moochie at ondercin.com From ryan at hack.net Sun Nov 9 03:19:07 2003 From: ryan at hack.net (Ryan K. Brooks) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 20:19:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL and spam reports In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031108151431.02276b60@192.168.1.42> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031108151431.02276b60@192.168.1.42> Message-ID: <3FADA41B.7090406@hack.net> Please let us know if they are actually able to whitelist you. I've been trying for months to no avail. Perhaps you have found a more intelligent person. -Ryan M Ondercin wrote: > > The 554 error is a new one, they don't even have much info on > it in their help resources. They ran our site through their test > procedures and verified that we weren't blacklisted, and that we > weren't an open relay and etc. The current fix that they are offering > is to whitelist your site (take all the contact info and such), so > they can work with you on the problem directly when it comes up. From rb at tertius.net.au Sun Nov 9 13:37:25 2003 From: rb at tertius.net.au (Ricky Buchanan) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:37:25 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles piling up, stopping list Message-ID: <20031109123725.GC27902@tertius.net.au> I'm running an old mailman - version 2.0beta5, installed by apt-get on a Debian "Potato" system - and it runs >30 mailing lists perfectly on a very old machine. We're scheduled to cut over to a brand new Debian version soon, so we'll be upgrading to the newest mailman version and hopefully this problem will disappear, but in the meantime its driving me CRAZY! I have created a new list, bedridden, at: http://tertius.net.au/mailman/listinfo/bedridden Its got about 10 members so far, none on digest or nomail. Simple as you could get. No fancy anything, nothing I haven't done on countless other lists on the same machine that all run perfectly. Except that about every few messages, with no pattern I can detect, something gets "stuck" in ~/qfiles and no more messages go through for that list until the messages are deleted. I have gone through all the FAQ steps for trying to fix "no mail gets through" problems and there are no errors or problems anywhere reported, except these stray files in ~/qfiles, and if I move the offending files out of there mail starts to flow again ... and then a few messages later it happens all over again. Are there any solutions beside "upgrade upgrade upgrade"? Which is what I'm doing *anyway* as fast as possible. Regards, Ricky Buchanan -- : Usual state: (e) None of the above. : rb at tertius.net.au http://tertius.net.au/~rb/ : I found that the Rubiks cube and Linux are alike. Looks real : confusing until you read the right book. :-) : -- comp.os.linus.misc From fuzzy at pooh.ASARian.org Sun Nov 9 14:35:59 2003 From: fuzzy at pooh.ASARian.org (Fuzzy) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 08:35:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] ongoing problem with pickle file (fwd) Message-ID: Still have not heard anything on this bug? Is there a fix? Is there a way to restore the "pickle" files? thanks Fuz ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:25:43 -0500 (EST) From: Fuzzy Every night when the daily jobs run I get this error from everything using 'list_lists'. This also fails when run from the console, (logged in as the mailman user). How do I repair the file, so the scripts will run correctly? FreeBSD 4.7-release Mailman 2.1b5 Python 2.2.1 Sendmail 8.12.6 Apache 1.3.23 Thanks in advance. -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Fuzzy, \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | ASARian.org X - NO Word docs in e-mail | fuzzy @ ASARian.org / \ >From mailman at pooh.ASARian.org Tue Nov 4 09:18:34 2003 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 03:27:03 -0500 (EST) From: Cron Daemon To: mailman at pooh.ASARian.org Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 154, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 110, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 570, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 543, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) cPickle.UnpicklingError: member is not safe for unpickling Bug in Mailman version 2.1b5 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 61, in main admin_overview() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 228, in admin_overview mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 570, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 543, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) UnpicklingError: member is not safe for unpickling ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.1 (#1, Oct 19 2002, 20:21:25) [GCC 2.95.4 20020320 [FreeBSD]] sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python sys.prefix /usr/local sys.exec_prefix /usr/local sys.path /usr/local sys.platform freebsd4 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Environment variables: Variable Value PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.23 (Unix) PHP/4.1.2 SERVER_ADMIN webmaster at pooh.asarian.org SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.23 Server at pooh.asarian.org Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD GET HTTP_HOST localhost SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin HTTP_ACCEPT */* us-ascii, ISO-8859-1, ISO-8859-2, ISO-8859-4, ISO-8895-5, ISO-8859-7, ISO-8895-9, ISO-8859-13, HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-15, ISO-8859-16, windows-1250, windows-1251, windows-1257, cp437, cp737, cp850, cp852, cp866, x-cp866-u, x-mac, x-mac-ce, x-kam-cs, koi8-r, koi8-u, TCVN-5712, VISCII, utf-8 HTTP_USER_AGENT ELinks (0.4pre5; FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE i386; 80x25) HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive SERVER_NAME pooh.asarian.org REMOTE_ADDR 127.0.0.1 REMOTE_PORT 2438 SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 SERVER_ADDR 127.0.0.1 DOCUMENT_ROOT /http/htdocs From mailman at rixhq.nu Sun Nov 9 15:45:36 2003 From: mailman at rixhq.nu (Ricardo Kustner) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 15:45:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL and spam reports In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031108151431.02276b60@192.168.1.42> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031108151431.02276b60@192.168.1.42> Message-ID: <3FAE5310.60208@rixhq.nu> M Ondercin wrote: > At 10:25 PM 11/4/2003 -0600, you wrote: > >> If you really have to deal with this, then send a final notice >> that all AOL users will be set to nomail and must set themselves back >> if they want to be on the list. Include directions for resetting from >> Nomail. Send the message, generate a digest, then change all the AOL >> folks. >> It's that or unsub the lot of them. I've just hacked a little python script to set all AOL addresses to nomail. And send each of them a seperate explanation message on how to re-enable their subscription. If any of them DARES to report that message as spam too, they'll be banned for lifetime (I included their email in the To: and Subject header :) ). BTW about the AOL whitelisting: I just heard my ISP has made a deal with AOL to whitelist their servers... however I think he had to sign some sort of contract with AOL. and it wasn't easy to do. Ricardo. > > > > Thanks, > > But since that wasn't a viable option, I waited until I recieved > the next set of 554 bounces and called AOL's Postmaster number > 1-888-212-5537, since we'd never gotten any info back from the email > addresses on http://postmaster.info.aol.com/ or been able to find the > error on those pages. > > > The error is: (reason: 554 TRANSACTION FAILED 554 AOL will not accept > delivery of this message) > > The 554 error is a new one, they don't even have much info on it > in their help resources. They ran our site through their test > procedures and verified that we weren't blacklisted, and that we weren't > an open relay and etc. The current fix that they are offering is to > whitelist your site (take all the contact info and such), so they can > work with you on the problem directly when it comes up. > > The tech I talked to couldn't find a reason why the messages > were being bounced. Especially since there is no pattern to the > bouncing as far as mime/no mime, attachment/no attachment VERP/no > VERP. It's been completely random. > > Since I haven't been able to find anything specific on this in > the FAQ's or Archives, I thought I'd share what little we've been able > to find out on this problem. > > M Ondercin. > > > ----- > > M. Ondercin > moochie at ondercin.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: mailman at rixhq.nu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mailman%40rixhq.nu > > . > From fingers at fingers.co.za Sun Nov 9 15:51:05 2003 From: fingers at fingers.co.za (fingers) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:51:05 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] tracebacks with mailman 2.1.3 Message-ID: <20031109164948.W904@snow.fingers.co.za> hi i'm now getting: Nov 09 16:42:30 2003 (10937) Uncaught runner exception: Article instance has no attribute '__setitem__' Nov 09 16:42:30 2003 (10937) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 209, in ArchiveMa il h.close() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 304, in close self.update_dirty_archives() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 518, in update_d irty_archives self.update_archive(i) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1068, in update_ archive self.__super_update_archive(archive) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 424, in update_a rchive after upgrading from mailman 2.1.2 to mailman 2.1.3 (FreeBSD 5.1). I see a fair amount of messages now being shunted. I found a few hits in the archives for shunted msg's, but none with the error i'm getting. any ideas? thanks --Rob From fingers at fingers.co.za Sun Nov 9 16:02:08 2003 From: fingers at fingers.co.za (fingers) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:02:08 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] tracebacks with mailman 2.1.3 In-Reply-To: <20031109164948.W904@snow.fingers.co.za> References: <20031109164948.W904@snow.fingers.co.za> Message-ID: <20031109165939.O904@snow.fingers.co.za> and i see this in my 'logs/locks' log: Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) 2003-date.lock lifetime has expired, breaking Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270,in ? Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) main() Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230,in main Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) qrunner.run() Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py" , line 65, in run Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) filecnt = self._oneloop() Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py" , line 110, in _oneloop Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) self._onefile(msg, msgdata) Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 208, in ArchiveMail Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) h.processUnixMailbox(f) Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 560, in processUnixMailbox Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) self.add_article(a) Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 606, in add_article Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) article.parentID = parentID = self.get_parent_info(arch, article) Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 640, in get_parent_info Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) if parentID and not self.database.hasArticle(archive, parentID): Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDa tabase.py", line 273, in hasArticle Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) self.__openIndices(archive) Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDa tabase.py", line 251, in __openIndices Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) t = DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive + '-' + i)) Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 61, in __init__ Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) self.lock() Nov 09 16:42:51 2003 (10937) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 77, in lock ... Regards --Rob From tech-mail at prupref.com Sun Nov 9 17:33:14 2003 From: tech-mail at prupref.com (McKeever Chris) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 10:33:14 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Modification After Viewing Message-ID: <200311091633.hA9GXEj06947@smtp1.prupref.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031109/fdcf7543/attachment.asc From ca at rits.org.br Sat Nov 8 16:53:12 2003 From: ca at rits.org.br (Carlos Afonso) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 13:53:12 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web admin interface question Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031108135126.029f96f8@pop.rits.org.br> Dear people, Why is it that such a wonderful, stable and extensively used program allows for full Web administration of the lists but does not for list creation???? Try to creat a new list through the Web interface - it will never start unless you redo it via command line. fraternal regards --c.a. === Carlos A. Afonso diretor de planejamento e estrat?gia Rede de Informa??es para o Terceiro Setor - Rits http://www.rits.org.br From hemal_19 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 9 07:40:19 2003 From: hemal_19 at hotmail.com (hemal) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:40:19 +0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Crack of a mailin list Message-ID: i need code for syatem admin password crack. can you send me the prcess? From william at thevirtual.co.nz Sun Nov 9 10:24:11 2003 From: william at thevirtual.co.nz (William Hamilton) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 21:24:11 +1200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Debian/Qmail/Mailman Message-ID: <3FAE07BB.4050609@thevirtual.co.nz> I have installed MM 2.1.3 and setting up with Qmail.. I get error messagein the log: deferral: exceptions.NameError_global_name_'MailmanUser'_is_not_defined/Line_107/ WHere is this supposed to be set? Everyhing is setup and per instructions but .. mmm now working.. open to suggestions. TIA W From lars at beagle-ears.com Sat Nov 8 02:27:35 2003 From: lars at beagle-ears.com (Lars Poulsen) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:27:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not work after re-install of RH9 Message-ID: <3FAC4687.6090003@beagle-ears.com> Due to a system crash, I re-installed RH-9. After the install, all my data is recovered, including Mailman, but it is not working: 1) Sending a message to any mailing list says there is no such mailing list 2) The web interfae says there are no mailing lists 3) The command line interface says all the lists are there 4) /home/mailman/lists shows all the lists are still there I'm not a python programmer; I have done minor tweaks in the scripts, but I don't even know where to begin looking for this. Any ideas on what to look for? -- / Lars Poulsen - lars at beagle-ears.com - http://www.beagle-ears.com/lars/ Home phone: 805-569-5277 Cell phone: 805-708-2237 From webmaster at beddestroyers.com Sat Nov 8 05:51:59 2003 From: webmaster at beddestroyers.com (BedDestroyers.com) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 22:51:59 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing Mailman Message-ID: <000001c3a5b4$0dfb5fa0$6501a8c0@desktop> Hello, I've just begun using Mailman and am already in love with it. :) I'm actually trying to set up my first list but am having difficulty finding the option that I need. I want the list to be an announcement only list - the members won't be able to post, only mods/admins. Is there an option anywhere that will let me accomplish this? I couldn't find a FAQ on it, so this is the first place I'm turning. If you can offer any help, I'd appreciate it! Thanks, Chris From PHOTINI at aol.com Sat Nov 8 14:03:17 2003 From: PHOTINI at aol.com (PHOTINI at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 08:03:17 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL Issues Message-ID: <8f.3473e19c.2cde4395@aol.com> I am an aol user and for months my friend at earthlink has had trouble mailing me and my friend at Compuserve (part od AOL) I have been comapling to AOL about this and one response had somethig to with spam. here is the message I got If there are difficulties sending the e-mail again, please have the sender contact the Postmaster of their domain (for example: AOL Members would contact postmaster at aol.com). The Postmaster will check for any e-mail gateway problems between the sender's Internet Service Provider (ISP) and America Online. ? - You can also advise the sender to ask their email provider to call our Postmaster Hotline at 703-265-4670 and the Postmaster group will evaluate your mailing patterns and resolve any outstanding issues with their server or domain. NOTE: AOL has developed Solicited Bulk Mailing Guidelines to both aid 'netizens' with their online marketing campaigns and to protect our member base from e-mail abuse. This is the reason why we also have the 554 series of Mailer Daemon error messages which explain that server is generating high volumes of member complaints from AOL. If they received such error messages, they may need to review our Unsolicited Bulk E-mail policy at http://www.aol.com/info/bulkemail.html and until such issues are resolved, AOL may not accept further e-mail transactions from the given server or domain. Please let me know if that helped, if it has to do with AOL blocking I like to know, you can mail me at my other addy at photini at msn.com thanx I really wnat to get this solved too... From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Sun Nov 9 23:26:56 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:26:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web admin interface question In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031108135126.029f96f8@pop.rits.org.br> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031108135126.029f96f8@pop.rits.org.br> Message-ID: <20031109222655.GC2049@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Carlos Afonso wrote: > Why is it that such a wonderful, stable and extensively used program > allows for full Web administration of the lists but does not for > list creation???? It does allow for this. I do it routinely. > Try to creat a new list through the Web interface - it will never > start unless you redo it via command line. You aren't doing something right in your setup then. Are you sure you're MTA aliases are getting setup right? What exactly does not work when you create a list via the web interface? - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. -- Voltaire -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/rr8vuv+09NZUB1oRAgIPAKCcVYYrMWp8ULj3jG3oGgcGh4d2wwCdFegy Oo3ioDuxD/ErsD/6tqcVm28= =lbef -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From paul at thcwd.com Mon Nov 10 00:45:28 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 17:45:28 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad dates set to today's date in archives Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031109171427.0884bb60@mail.themarriagebed.com> I am moving the archives of some YahooGroups to Mailman. When I run bin/arch it works fine, except when it hits posts with a bad date. All files sent to a list by Yahoo's internal mailers (reminders, polls, file notifications) have improper dates: From xxx at yahoogroups.com Tue May 15 20:47:08 2001 Return-Path: . . . . Date: 16 May 2001 03:47:02 -0000 The problem is the lack of the three letter day code in the date sent by the Yahoo mailer. All posts like this end up with the current date on the server, putting all these posts at the end of the archive index. On a couple of lists with relatively few of these I either deleted the post or fixed the date (both of which work) but I now have a list with almost 1000 of these things! I've been trying to figure out how to rewrite the code so a message with an invalid date gets something that would put the posts at the beginning of the archive index. I'm guessing this will take a rewrite of HyperArch, but I've been unable to find the code that "corrects" a date. Any ideas, hints, or code greatly appreciated! <>< Paul From paul at thcwd.com Mon Nov 10 01:33:24 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 18:33:24 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad dates set to today's date in archives - follow up Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031109182849.01f04770@mail.themarriagebed.com> As the first date (the from_date ?) is correct, is there any way to get the archive to use this date? Or, is there a way to lie to HyperArch about the current date, or modify the current date for that program? <>< Paul ----- Original Message ---------- I am moving the archives of some YahooGroups to Mailman. When I run bin/arch it works fine, except when it hits posts with a bad date. All files sent to a list by Yahoo's internal mailers (reminders, polls, file notifications) have improper dates: From xxx at yahoogroups.com Tue May 15 20:47:08 2001 Return-Path: <notify at yahoogroups.com> . . . . Date: 16 May 2001 03:47:02 -0000 The problem is the lack of the three letter day code in the date sent by the Yahoo mailer. All posts like this end up with the current date on the server, putting all these posts at the end of the archive index. On a couple of lists with relatively few of these I either deleted the post or fixed the date (both of which work) but I now have a list with almost 1000 of these things! I've been trying to figure out how to rewrite the code so a message with an invalid date gets something that would put the posts at the beginning of the archive index. I'm guessing this will take a rewrite of HyperArch, but I've been unable to find the code that "corrects" a date. From pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co Mon Nov 10 01:38:42 2003 From: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co (Pablo Chamorro C.) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:38:42 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with cron/nightly_gzip Message-ID: It would seem that this command weren't working so well for me, although something is doing. With the verbose option I get: [root]# cron/nightly_gzip -v Processing list: mailman Processing list: prueba I was editing that script and I got some txt files compressed, so it seems that works (I have zlib, and gzip) but I think I don't understand completely how it process the archives, and what files are processed? (mbox, txt?). Could you please help me? I'm using MhonArc for the web archival. For example I have these files: archives/private/prueba.mbox/ archives/private/prueba.mbox/prueba.mbox archives/private/prueba/ archives/private/prueba/index.html archives/private/prueba/msg00000.html archives/private/prueba/msg00001.html archives/private/prueba/attachments archives/private/prueba/attachments/20031030 etc. For testing purposes, I setup some lists for daily archival. Thanks, Pablo Chamorro C. From jp at warpix.org Mon Nov 10 15:19:04 2003 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:19:04 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] External mail disappears In-Reply-To: <1068283964.4856.45.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from Jon Carnes on Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 04:32:44AM -0500 References: <20031108101833.H28013@warpix.org> <1068283964.4856.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031110141904.B28013@warpix.org> On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 04:32:44AM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > Check FAQ 3.14 > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > This problem looks like you don't have your mailserver setup properly. > Take a look at the logs for your MTA and see if you are getting "relay > denied" notices. Yes this is exactly what caused the problems. I've added 127.0.01 to the list of addresses allowed to relay, although I'm not sure if there are any dangers in doing this... > Jon Carnes > > On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 05:18, John Poltorak wrote: > > I've just managed to get Mailman (v2.0.13) working, but have found that > > external mail disappears. > > > > I can subscribe and post msgs from the same domain, but anyone subscribing > > from another domain does not get any response. > > > > Where do I look to see at what point the failures occur? There are no > > entries in logs/error. > > > > The incoming mail gets as far as the qfiles directory and is then > > processed by qrunner and there are relevant entries in logs/subscribe > > but no confirmation msg is sent out, although this process does work fine > > for the local domain. > > > > Is there any way to trace what is going on? > > > > I tried changing delivery_module to Sendmail in case I could get a better > > idea about what was going on, but nothing gets sent to Sendmail. -- John From gour at mail.inet.hr Mon Nov 10 14:22:04 2003 From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:22:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] config-db --> config.pck? Message-ID: <20031110132204.GA17479@mail.inet.hr> Hi! I have to move several lists from one server to other. Old lists are on Mailman 2.0.x while the new are on V2.1.2. I moved old archive into the new Mailman bit I'd like to keep old lsits settings intact. dumpdb gives me text output of config.db output, but now I'd like to get this into config.pck. What is the procedure? Sincerely, Gour -- Gour gour at mail.inet.hr Registered Linux User #278493 From vizisz at freemail.hu Mon Nov 10 14:56:18 2003 From: vizisz at freemail.hu (Szilard Vizi) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:56:18 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] language problem In-Reply-To: <200311081607.08062.konstant@rbcmail.ru> References: <200311081607.08062.konstant@rbcmail.ru> Message-ID: <1683.193.6.37.7.1068472578.squirrel@kabinet.uranus.vein.hu> Hello, > Mailman is localized and it's quite clear, how to add a language to a > specific maillist. But a have no idea, how to make Russian the default > language for the whole site. Put the following line in the mm_cfg.py file (located in the Mailman's home directory, the default is /usr/local/mailman/): DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'ru' Maybe you have to modify the default charset, so put these lines to the mm_cfg.py file too: DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'koi8-r' VERBATIM_ENCODING = ['koi8-r'] Szilard Vizi ------------- mailto:vizisz at freemail.hu From vizisz at freemail.hu Mon Nov 10 15:03:34 2003 From: vizisz at freemail.hu (Vizi Szilard) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:03:34 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing Mailman In-Reply-To: <000001c3a5b4$0dfb5fa0$6501a8c0@desktop> References: <000001c3a5b4$0dfb5fa0$6501a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <1738.193.6.37.7.1068473014.squirrel@kabinet.uranus.vein.hu> Hello, > actually trying to set up my first list but am having difficulty finding > the option that I need. I want the list to be an announcement only list > - the members won't be able to post, only mods/admins. Is there an > option anywhere that will let me accomplish this? The FAQ tells you the details: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.11 Szilard Vizi ------------- mailto:vizisz at freemail.hu From omar at dit.upm.es Mon Nov 10 16:17:49 2003 From: omar at dit.upm.es (Omar Walid Llorente) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:17:49 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] error with python running check_perms Message-ID: Last Friday i had the same problem that Javier had on May, so here is my posting about it. I solved it by exporting the LANG environment variable to "C", i.e. for bash shell: $ export LANG=C I was upgrading from 2.0.6 to 2.1.3 mailman version in a Red Hat Linux 9.0 distro with a 2.4.22 kernel. From that moment the problem didn't came back. Thanks to all and sorry if the mail is not important. Omar. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Centro de C?lculo Depto. Ingenier?a Sistemas Telem?ticos E-mail: omar at dit.upm.es E.T.S. Ing. Telecomunicaci?n ---------------------------------------------------------------- PS: Next is the original message from Javier Romero at Cedex, as taken from the mail archives. [Mailman-Users] error with python running check_perms javier javier.romero at cedex.es Wed May 21 18:39:56 EDT 2003 this is anotehr prblem, or the same problem... i'm trying work with mailman for 4days, please help me... [root at pc6426 mailman]# bin/check_perms -f Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/check_perms", line 362, in ? checkall() File "bin/check_perms", line 185, in checkall os.path.walk(d, checkwalk, STATE) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py", line 279, in walk func(arg, top, names) File "bin/check_perms", line 109, in checkwalk print _('%(path)s bad group (has: %(groupname)s, ' File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 89, in _ return tns % dict ValueError: unsupported format character 't' (0x74) at index 8 -- Javier Romero Casado Dep. Comunicaciones CEDEX From khera at kcilink.com Mon Nov 10 16:22:14 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:22:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL and spam reports In-Reply-To: <3FADA41B.7090406@hack.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031108151431.02276b60@192.168.1.42> <3FADA41B.7090406@hack.net> Message-ID: <16303.44326.943070.281372@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "RKB" == Ryan K Brooks writes: RKB> Please let us know if they are actually able to whitelist you. I've RKB> been trying for months to no avail. Perhaps you have found a more RKB> intelligent person. They don't "whitelist" you. You can sign a third party mail agreement with them, which means you do some hoop-jumping and agree to follow their rules. I'm not sure exactly what it buys you, but I think they are not so quick to block you, or they my block you more specifically than site-wide (ie, block only a particular sender or message pattern). -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera at kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ From lvaepi at telconet.net Mon Nov 10 17:55:18 2003 From: lvaepi at telconet.net (Lorena Vanoni) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:55:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange Problem. Message-ID: <000201c3a7ab$8a66b960$81d55dc8@oemcomputer> Hi! This might come a little strange for you, but I was wondering are you Michael Quigley that lived in Greenpoint Brooklyn? I once had a friend by the same name and was trying to contact him for some time now. I presently live in Ecuador and sure would appreciate knowing from him. Thanks, Lorraine From vicnoise at yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 19:29:10 2003 From: vicnoise at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?vicnoise=20.?=) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:29:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] News gateway In-Reply-To: <1068212846.3231.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031110182910.49158.qmail@web9504.mail.yahoo.com> While trying to connec to an external news server I had this msg back: "Include the username and password in your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file (look for details in the file Default.py) ". How can I overcome this issue since I have mailman istalled by default as a service on my hosting server and I don't have directly access to the mailman files? Thanks --- Jon Carnes ha scritto: > On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 07:52, vicnoise . wrote: > > Hi, > > under the "Mail-News Gateways" option there is a > field > > that asks for "The Internet address of the machine > > your News server is running on". I was wondering > what > > exactly is this feature and if there is a chance > to > > use an external news server or if it must be as > one > > already installed on the local machine. Shall I > > install my own News server on my hosting account > > (suggestion are welcome)? > > > > Thanks to everybody. > > vic > > You can use this to move your mailing list posts out > to *any* news > server - or to pull in any news server postings to > your mailing lists. > It even supports news servers where you must login > to post. > > enjoy - Jon Carnes > ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: 6MB di spazio gratuito, 30MB per i tuoi allegati, l'antivirus, il filtro Anti-spam http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mail.yahoo.com/ From gour at mail.inet.hr Mon Nov 10 23:35:32 2003 From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:35:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] config-db --> config.pck? In-Reply-To: <20031110132204.GA17479@mail.inet.hr> References: <20031110132204.GA17479@mail.inet.hr> Message-ID: <20031110223532.GA4972@mail.inet.hr> Gour (gour at mail.inet.hr) wrote: Pls. excuse me for reply on my own post :-( > I moved old archive into the new Mailman bit I'd like to keep old lsits > settings intact. dumpdb gives me text output of config.db output, but now I'd > like to get this into config.pck. > > What is the procedure? I've found that fix_url.py is my friend :-) > Sincerely, > Gour -- Gour gour at mail.inet.hr Registered Linux User #278493 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: gour at mail.inet.hr > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gour%40mail.inet.hr > > -- Gour gour at mail.inet.hr Registered Linux User #278493 From gour at mail.inet.hr Tue Nov 11 00:16:47 2003 From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:16:47 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] rundig error (V2.1.2) Message-ID: <20031110231647.GA5659@mail.inet.hr> Hi! I'm testing mailman 2.1.2 on my Gentoo box and when I manually run (with mailman uid) nightly_htdig I get the following error: mailman at gaura cron $ ./nightly_htdig -v bvc-news htdig'ing archive of list: bvc-news /usr/bin/rundig: line 53: 5367 Aborted $BINDIR/htnotify $opts mailman at gaura cron $ df Here is the logs/error entry: Nov 10 23:51:35 2003 (5355) htsearch for list: bvc-news, existatus: 1 However I can perform search on the list but it's annoying. Any hint? Sincerely, Gour -- Gour gour at mail.inet.hr Registered Linux User #278493 From support at shadowtech.com.au Tue Nov 11 07:45:38 2003 From: support at shadowtech.com.au (Brendan Boyle) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:45:38 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up mailman for a virtual domain Message-ID: <1068533137.21152.5.camel@main.shadowtech> I've been asked to help set up mailman for a client of mine at his ISP. The ISP has installed mailman from the rpm that comes with Redhat 9. The server that my clients website is on hosts multiple domains and we need to now configure mailman for just his site (with the distinct possibility that other sites may use mailman in the future also). I'm sure this question has probably been answered before but I've been unable to locate the answer. If someone could please point me to an FAQ, webpage or the month that it was last answered on this list so I can download the correct archive it would be greatly appreciated. TIA, BB From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Nov 11 08:02:05 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:02:05 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] rundig error (V2.1.2) In-Reply-To: <20031110231647.GA5659@mail.inet.hr> Message-ID: On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 11:16 pm, Gour wrote: > Hi! > > I'm testing mailman 2.1.2 on my Gentoo box and when I manually run > (with > mailman uid) nightly_htdig I get the following error: > > mailman at gaura cron $ ./nightly_htdig -v bvc-news > htdig'ing archive of list: bvc-news > /usr/bin/rundig: line 53: 5367 Aborted > $BINDIR/htnotify $opts > mailman at gaura cron $ df > rundig is s shell script. Read the comments prior to line 53 where the problem is being reported. In my copy at least, there are comments discussing issues of low disk space, which I suspect may be the cause of your problem. > Here is the logs/error entry: > > Nov 10 23:51:35 2003 (5355) htsearch for list: bvc-news, existatus: 1 > > However I can perform search on the list but it's annoying. > > Any hint? > > Sincerely, > Gour > > -- > Gour > gour at mail.inet.hr > Registered Linux User #278493 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From tony at waitutaki.co.uk Tue Nov 11 09:36:23 2003 From: tony at waitutaki.co.uk (amealing) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:36:23 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up mailman for a virtual domain In-Reply-To: <1068533137.21152.5.camel@main.shadowtech> References: <1068533137.21152.5.camel@main.shadowtech> Message-ID: <1068539782.14063.5.camel@braunston.amsware.co.uk> On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 06:45, Brendan Boyle wrote: > I've been asked to help set up mailman for a client of mine at his ISP. > The ISP has installed mailman from the rpm that comes with Redhat 9. > The server that my clients website is on hosts multiple domains and we > need to now configure mailman for just his site (with the distinct > possibility that other sites may use mailman in the future also). Just for info, the mailman rpm that comes on the redhat 9 release needs updating as it apparently doesn't work, see redhat updates site for more info. -- As You Do! Tony M -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Mailscanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. From sean at sweetbourbon.com Tue Nov 11 14:41:44 2003 From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:41:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] default chunk size. Message-ID: Hi, I'm running Mailman 2.0 and trying to up the chuck size viewable on membership management page of the admin interface. I'm not sure if I've got the rigth variable in the mm_cfg.py file. Here is what I put: ############################################### # Here's where we get the distributed defaults. from Defaults import * DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 60 But the page still only shows addresses in chuncks of 30. Is this right? How can this be done a per-list basis? Thanks, Sean From tech-mail at prupref.com Tue Nov 11 16:16:40 2003 From: tech-mail at prupref.com (McKeever Chris) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:16:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read indication on Archive Message-ID: <200311111516.hABFGej17276@smtp1.prupref.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031111/ffde0d21/attachment.pot From tim at ngfl.gov.uk Tue Nov 11 16:28:51 2003 From: tim at ngfl.gov.uk (Timothy Arnold) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:28:51 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Arch command hangs? Message-ID: Hi all, I am having a problem with the arch command. I created an mbox file and put it in /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox and ran $ bin/arch --wipe listname and it was working fine, during the arch command though, my SSH connection dropped so I am guessing it terminated the arch process? Now when I try and run the same command, it just sits there. When I do ps it reports: root 9799 6934 0 15:03:29 pts/3 0:01 /usr/local/bin/python bin/arch naaosen archives/private/naaosen.mbox/naaosen.mb Which looks like it gets no CPU time??? Is there any way to find out what it is doing, or if it is waiting on something? I have run the arch command on other lists after my SSH connection dropped and works fine! Thanks, Timothy. From thisismyphlist at yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 17:15:00 2003 From: thisismyphlist at yahoo.com (Henry Harvey) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:15:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] receive mails only from a certain domain Message-ID: <20031111161500.49091.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> Can I make a list that can accept incoming mails both from list members and from a certain domain (not necessarily list members)? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From fischer at tcf.de Tue Nov 11 18:09:29 2003 From: fischer at tcf.de (Thomas C. Fischer) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:09:29 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Standard-URL for all mailinglists on all virtual domains Message-ID: Hi, I was searching desperately to find a way to solve my problem, but everything I have found was sort of very unconvenient... What I want to do, is actually pretty simple: I have two virtual domains on one server, i.e. dom1.de and dom2.de. For both domains I want to use mailman to create mailinglists. BUT: I want to administer ALL the lists via the first domains SSL-Server called ssl.dom1.de. So regardless of what list there is, I want them all in the same webinterface. I have seen the fix_url script that does the trick after having created the lists. But I want it to be correct from the beginning... I am sure there is a way, but the config parameters for virtual hosting are sooo strange... Too much for me, actually.. ;-) There is another topic that raises: Why can I create a list on a virtual server with bin/newlist but not with the webinterface. There I get an error that I am not allowed to use @ in the listname... Any fix for that??? Thanks for any help, regards, Tom From mtam at theearthcenter.com Tue Nov 11 18:42:14 2003 From: mtam at theearthcenter.com (mtam at theearthcenter.com) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:42:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cant post Message-ID: <1068572534.3fb11f7657e69@www.theearthcenter.com> I have set up a list but I cannot get anything to post to it. I have no idea what I am doing wrong. Can anyone help? -Rachel From wfroning at pacific.edu Tue Nov 11 19:03:29 2003 From: wfroning at pacific.edu (Will Froning) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:03:29 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapping long lines in Mailman Message-ID: <20031111100329.7a92313b.wfroning@pacific.edu> I have Mailman 2.1.1 w/ htDig running on FreeBSD 4.8. I have a particular user (read CIO) that never uses the Enter key when composing messages. So besides making the archive just plain ugly with these infinitely long lines, his messages are interrupted halfway through with an exclamation point and a carriage return (from Mailman). I've seen some people's solutions in the archives using fmt and piping to mailmain, but that does work in FreeBSD (seems Solaris's fmt is better). Does anyone else have any solutions? Thanks, Will -- Will Froning Unix Sys. Admin. (209)946-7470 (209)662-4725 wfroning at pacific.edu From jam at jamux.com Tue Nov 11 19:30:57 2003 From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:30:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapping long lines in Mailman In-Reply-To: <20031111100329.7a92313b.wfroning@pacific.edu> (Will Froning's message of "Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:03:29 -0800") References: <20031111100329.7a92313b.wfroning@pacific.edu> Message-ID: <87r80eycym.fsf@athene.jamux.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 154 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031111/8ef90378/attachment.pgp From wfroning at pacific.edu Tue Nov 11 19:41:41 2003 From: wfroning at pacific.edu (Will Froning) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:41:41 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Wrapping long lines in Mailman In-Reply-To: <20031111100329.7a92313b.wfroning@pacific.edu> References: <20031111100329.7a92313b.wfroning@pacific.edu> Message-ID: <20031111104141.4fd208aa.wfroning@pacific.edu> > I've seen some people's solutions in the archives using fmt and piping > to mailmain, but that does work in FreeBSD (seems Solaris's fmt is > better). Flub... should be "doesn't work in FreeBSD" Thanks, Will -- Will Froning Unix Sys. Admin. (209)946-7470 (209)662-4725 wfroning at pacific.edu From wfroning at pacific.edu Tue Nov 11 19:46:06 2003 From: wfroning at pacific.edu (Will Froning) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:46:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapping long lines in Mailman In-Reply-To: <87r80eycym.fsf@athene.jamux.com> References: <20031111100329.7a92313b.wfroning@pacific.edu> <87r80eycym.fsf@athene.jamux.com> Message-ID: <20031111104606.6f0e150f.wfroning@pacific.edu> > Reformat body text and break any PGP signed material, right? Basically yes. If I have a CIO that's too ST*P*D to use carriage returns, do you think he even knows/cares what PGP is? This wouldn't have to be a site-wide change, just for certain lists. And that's why I like the fmt option. It's done through aliases, so I can selectively turn it on/off. Will -- Will Froning Unix Sys. Admin. (209)946-7470 (209)662-4725 wfroning at pacific.edu From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Tue Nov 11 19:59:32 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:59:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Wrapping long lines in Mailman In-Reply-To: <20031111100329.7a92313b.wfroning@pacific.edu> References: <20031111100329.7a92313b.wfroning@pacific.edu> Message-ID: <20031111185932.GA29225@hq.newdream.net> On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 10:03:29AM -0800, Will Froning wrote: > I have Mailman 2.1.1 w/ htDig running on FreeBSD 4.8. I have a > particular user (read CIO) that never uses the Enter key when composing > messages. So besides making the archive just plain ugly with these > infinitely long lines, his messages are interrupted halfway through with > an exclamation point and a carriage return (from Mailman). I suppose getting him to configure his MUA to wrap lines is out of the question? > I've seen some people's solutions in the archives using fmt and piping > to mailmain, but that does work in FreeBSD (seems Solaris's fmt is > better). Hrm... you could use par or another similar tool to reformat the messages. http://www.nicemice.net/par/ -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Nov 12 04:41:53 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 11 Nov 2003 22:41:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cant post In-Reply-To: <1068572534.3fb11f7657e69@www.theearthcenter.com> References: <1068572534.3fb11f7657e69@www.theearthcenter.com> Message-ID: <1068608513.5285.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 12:42, mtam at theearthcenter.com wrote: > I have set up a list but I cannot get anything to post to it. I have no idea > what I am doing wrong. Can anyone help? -Rachel > Take a look at FAQ 3.14 Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From tjesker at yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 04:59:37 2003 From: tjesker at yahoo.com (Tom Esker) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:59:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not being relayed Message-ID: <20031112035937.35666.qmail@web60701.mail.yahoo.com> I set up mailman and it worked great for a couple of months but I just realized that it stopped relaying messages a couple of weeks ago. Here is what I've done so far: 1. Made sure the cron daemon is running: interdyne: {189} % ps -aux |grep cron |grep -v grep interdyn 72690 0.0 0.1 1152 632 p2 T 8:46PM 0:00.01 man cron 2. Tried to start the mailmanctl daemon as apparently it is not running: interdyne: {214} % ./mailmanctl start Traceback (most recent call last): File "./mailmanctl", line 105, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg ImportError: No module named Mailman (I found line 105 - but what does this error mean and what should I do about it?) 3. Checked the aliases file - looks OK. Also reset the aliases hash table: interdyne: {221} % vnewaliases /etc/aliases: 122 aliases, longest 56 bytes, 4119 bytes total 4. Looked at the messages log file - is this OK? Nov 11 21:40:01 sendmail[80431]: hAC2e1HP080431: from=, size=1132, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<005501c3a8c6$76ea1870$9002a8c0 at kitchen>, proto=SMTP, relay=gso56-152-124.triad.rr.com [66.56.152.124] Nov 11 21:40:01 sendmail[80439]: hAC2e1HP080431: to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post committee", ctladdr= (126/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=31357, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent 5. Made sure sendmail will relay 127.0.0.1: interdyne: {243} % grep "Port" ./sendmail.cf O DaemonPortOptions=Name=MTA O DaemonPortOptions=Port=587, Name=MSA, M=E #O ClientPortOptions=Address=0.0.0.0 6. Tried to run qrunner manually & got same error as above - but I don't know what to do about it? interdyne: {250} % python -S ./qrunner Traceback (most recent call last): File "./qrunner", line 76, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg ImportError: No module named Mailman 7. Deleted all messages in the qfiles directory and below and tried sending a test message - still nothing. I'm running Mailman version 2.12 on FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE #11 with sendmail. Can anyone suggest what I might need to do to get Mailman working again? Thanks Tom Esker __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From aaron at mutualaid.org Wed Nov 12 05:55:40 2003 From: aaron at mutualaid.org (aaron) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:55:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forced footer Message-ID: <76366495C9C94E4BA5BB0919BF9B684C4317FE@order.partners-intl.net> Hello. I need to append a footer (w/unsubscribe info) to all Mailman messages going out from my server. I need to do this in a way so that it is not possible for list admins to modify the footer. Does anyone have any suggestions? I searched the list archives and found something about using Decorate.py, to do this, but I have been unable to figure out how to make this work. I'm using Mailman 2.1.3 with Python 2.1.3. on FreeBSD. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance, Aaron From laspina at dm.unipi.it Wed Nov 12 13:42:36 2003 From: laspina at dm.unipi.it (Alessandra La Spina) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:42:36 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: I'm trying to create a moderated list (with a lot of non-moderated users). Is there a way to unset the moderation flag for a user using the command line options (e.g. not using the web interface) - so that I can use a script to unset the flag individually for a list of users? Thank you for your help. Alessandra La Spina -- ========================================= Alessandra La Spina Dipartimento di Matematica - Centro di Calcolo Universita' di Pisa tel. +39-050-2213 263 e-mail: laspina at dm.unipi.it www: http://www.dm.unipi.it/cdc/index.html From kyrian-list at ore.org Wed Nov 12 14:10:49 2003 From: kyrian-list at ore.org (Kyrian (List)) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:10:49 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MySQL MemberAdaptor. Message-ID: <20031112131049.1ced7500.kyrian-list@ore.org> All, http://kyrian.ore.org/MailmanMysql/ I accept absolutely no responsibility for the above ruining your marriage, hairdo, life, dogs, cats, children, computer systems, reputations, sanity, or indeed destroying the entire known universe. However, it should allow you to use MySQL with Mailman 2.1+ for your mailing list members. The bounce detection and delivery status stuff is less than perfect, and there could well be other problems. Enjoy. K. PS. Feel free to report bugs in the code/suggest enhancements/offer help to make it better via email (to me directly please), but I'm very busy, so please don't expect them to get solved/incorporated particularly quickly, and certainly don't even bother getting cranky with me if it doesn't work because I'll probably just ignore you. Unless you want to pay me for my time, of course ;-) -- Kev Green, aka Kyrian. "Be excellent to each other" -- Bill & Ted. Email: kyrian@ore.org Web: http://kyrian.ore.org/ ISP/Perl/PHP/Linux/Security Contractor, via http://www.orenet.co.uk/ From kyrian-list at ore.org Wed Nov 12 14:13:00 2003 From: kyrian-list at ore.org (Kyrian (List)) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:13:00 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MySQL MemberAdaptor. In-Reply-To: <20031112131049.1ced7500.kyrian-list@ore.org> References: <20031112131049.1ced7500.kyrian-list@ore.org> Message-ID: <20031112131300.21f9f24f.kyrian-list@ore.org> Oh, and it's up on the Mailman Sourceforge site, too.... http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=839386&group_id=103&atid=300103 K. -- Kev Green, aka Kyrian. "Be excellent to each other" -- Bill & Ted. Email: kyrian@ore.org Web: http://kyrian.ore.org/ ISP/Perl/PHP/Linux/Security Contractor, via http://www.orenet.co.uk/ From Mark.Carroll at Aetion.com Wed Nov 12 15:24:30 2003 From: Mark.Carroll at Aetion.com (Mark T.B. Carroll) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:24:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Memory problems and stuck list Message-ID: I am using mailman 2.1.3 with GNU licb6 2.3.2 and Python 2.3.2. We have a couple of low-traffic lists with few subscribers. Things used to work fine until recently. (I'm not sure what changed, unfortunately.) We were using mailman version 2.0.11, but upgrading it to see if that made the problem go away hasn't improved things. First, incoming mail is now languishing in /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/in/. I've tried to get it moved with things like "qrunner -v -o -r All" but to no avail. (Maybe that's no surprise; I don't quite know what I'm doing. (-:) If I could just get mail periodically shifted by hand, that'd be a good start. /var/log/mailman/qrunner says it did do a qrunner iteration for each Runner. When I start mailman with "mailmanctl -s start" then a number of Python processes (qrunners) get fairly busy and are around 4Mb apiece. The machine slows to a crawl and the kernel starts killing them due to out of memory errors. "killall -9 python" is how to make the machine happy again. It only has around 32Mb RAM plus a little more than that in swap, which isn't a lot but should be plenty for running small mailing lists. We use exim but that's been fine and happy. It's been recording the piping of incoming mail into "/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post foo..." which is presumably how things end up in qfiles/in/ in the first place. The posts appear in /var/log/mailman/post. None of the other mailman logfiles show anything interesting. Last night I added 128Mb of swap space and tried restarting mailman. This morning the machine seemed to be pretty much dead, but with no clues in the logs as to what went wrong. The other (mostly idle) services on the machine seem to be running much as they should, still, after a reboot; AFAICT it's only mailman that's unhappy. Does any of the above sound familiar? Is there other diagnostic stuff I should do? Unfortunately I don't know any Python. -- Mark From J.P.Snowdon at newcastle.ac.uk Wed Nov 12 16:02:51 2003 From: J.P.Snowdon at newcastle.ac.uk (John Snowdon) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:02:51 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List admins unable to approve? Message-ID: <991B359C499D0240B8C66AF38A4101BB54A867@pinewood.ncl.ac.uk> Running a dozen or so lightly populated lists on the following setup Mailman 2.1.2 (source package, upgrad from 2.0.8) Apache 1.3.26 Solaris 8 sendmail Since the upgrade (following the upgrade readme in the mailman source), list admins receive the authorisation request email for non-list members to post, however, when they reply (correctly, I may add; Approved: PASSWORD etc.) to the message in order to approve it, nothing happens... the message is not released to the list. Furthermore, these 'held' messages do not show up using the web admin interface and it just gives the same "There are no pending requests" response. However, in /home/mailman/data I see entries similar to: -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 2461 Nov 12 10:08 heldmsg-medev-52.pck (The contents of this matches up with a post that was held for list admin approval this morning.. again nothing happened when the message was replied to and it was not seen in the web interface) Apart from that, everything else works fine, posting, subscription, archive browsing etc. Any ideas? John Snowdon - IT Support Specialist -==========================================- Faculty of Medical Sciences Computing Dept School of Medical Education Development University of Newcastle From bruno at postle.net Wed Nov 12 17:21:03 2003 From: bruno at postle.net (Bruno Postle) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:21:03 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] publically available .mbox files in pipermail archives Message-ID: <20031112162103.GY23789@postle.net> I've been made-aware that as well as indexing pipermail public html archives, google indexes all the raw mbox files too: http://www.google.com/search?q=pipermail+mbox+X-Mailman-Version These are also a resource for email-address harvesters, so I've configured apache to redirect these requests to the private archives: RedirectMatch permanent ^/pipermail/(.+)\.mbox/(.+)\.mbox$ http://example.com/mailman/private/$1.mbox/$2.mbox Can anyone see anything wrong with this approach? ..or should mailman be modified to allow only authenticated user access to the mbox archives? -- Bruno From sean at sweetbourbon.com Wed Nov 12 20:02:56 2003 From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:02:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner dieing? Message-ID: Hi, I'm runing mailman 2.0.6. Posts to my lists are not going out. It seems like qrunning is dieing. The error logs have this in it: Nov 12 13:48:03 2003 qrunner(65767): Traceback (most recent call last): Nov 12 13:48:03 2003 qrunner(65767): File "/usr/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ? Nov 12 13:48:03 2003 qrunner(65767): kids = main(lock) Nov 12 13:48:03 2003 qrunner(65767): File "/usr/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 252, in main Nov 12 13:48:03 2003 qrunner(65767): keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata) Nov 12 13:48:03 2003 qrunner(65767): File "/usr/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message Nov 12 13:48:03 2003 qrunner(65767): mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg) Nov 12 13:48:03 2003 qrunner(65767): File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 151, in ParseMailCommands Nov 12 13:48:03 2003 qrunner(65767): if (subject and Nov 12 13:48:03 2003 qrunner(65767): IndexError : list index out of range Nov 12 13:50:01 2003 (65779) Delivery exception: not enough arguments for format string Nov 12 13:50:01 2003 (65779) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 44, in process footer = string.replace(mlist.msg_footer % d, '\r\n', '\n') TypeError: not enough arguments for format string Nov 12 13:50:02 2003 (65779) Delivery exception: not enough arguments for format string Nov 12 13:50:02 2003 (65779) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 44, in process footer = string.replace(mlist.msg_footer % d, '\r\n', '\n') TypeError: not enough arguments for format string Nov 12 13:50:02 2003 (65779) Delivery exception: not enough arguments for format string Nov 12 13:50:02 2003 (65779) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 44, Any ideas what is causing it? Any assistance will be very much appreciated. Sean From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Nov 12 20:09:54 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 12 Nov 2003 14:09:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] publically available .mbox files in pipermail archives In-Reply-To: <20031112162103.GY23789@postle.net> References: <20031112162103.GY23789@postle.net> Message-ID: <1068664194.4506.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 11:21, Bruno Postle wrote: > I've been made-aware that as well as indexing pipermail public html > archives, google indexes all the raw mbox files too: > > http://www.google.com/search?q=pipermail+mbox+X-Mailman-Version > > These are also a resource for email-address harvesters, so I've > configured apache to redirect these requests to the private > archives: > > RedirectMatch permanent ^/pipermail/(.+)\.mbox/(.+)\.mbox$ http://example.com/mailman/private/$1.mbox/$2.mbox > > Can anyone see anything wrong with this approach? > > ..or should mailman be modified to allow only authenticated user > access to the mbox archives? I like your way of doing it. That should work fine. I run a script against my mbox file nightly (and the html pages) which scans for specific email addresses and substitutes a specific replacement for that email address - all this provided by users who don't want their addresses showing up in the archives. It was a nice add-on feature and easy to do. The names and substitutions are stored in a simple database; the script is a simple "for... done" that executes a sed statement for the substitutions. Since I run it nightly, it's pretty fast. It would also be fairly easy to add this to the Pipermail archiver. On some of my lists I run Pipermail, on others I run Mhonarc, so I haven't bothered to integrate it. Jon Carnes From paul at thcwd.com Wed Nov 12 20:28:05 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:28:05 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Explicit Reply-To: header" does not work for digest Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031112132740.08887b58@mail.themarriagebed.com> I have a list that is selected posts from a much busier list. Replies go to the main list via the "Explicit Reply-To: header". This works fine for individual e-mails, but a reply to the digest goes to the sending list, ignoring the reply to set in the general options section. Just something to tweak in the next release. <>< Paul From babendan at tecnopro.net Wed Nov 12 20:44:54 2003 From: babendan at tecnopro.net (Branly Abendano) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:44:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Character Special Footer Message-ID: <018001c3a955$72144070$be01a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Hello, I have installed and configurated a Mailman server. Everything is ok. But I need to use special characters in the footer. For instance: "?", "?","?" But when I send messages appear text like "ó" Is there a way to insert footers in Spanish.? Thank you From rjgoyette at anl.gov Wed Nov 12 21:19:39 2003 From: rjgoyette at anl.gov (Rick Goyette) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:19:39 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing the bounce message Message-ID: How do I change the default message that mailman uses when rejecting mail? You know, the part that says "The moderator gave the following reason" -- R. J. Goyette Argonne National Laboratory rjgoyette at anl.gov (630) 252-4328 http://www.pns.anl.gov From franki at htmlfixit.com Wed Nov 12 22:58:07 2003 From: franki at htmlfixit.com (franki) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:58:07 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman issues... using seperate web/mail servers. Message-ID: <3FB2ACEF.5030502@htmlfixit.com> Hello guys, I am relatively new to mailman, but for the last year or so I have run several lists using it... I recently split my web server and mail server up, (they were previously on the same machine, now they are on the same internal network, but different machines.) Mailman is the only thing I've not been able to sort out with this new setup.. I setup postfix on the new server and installed mailman. (2.1.2) with no probs.. I then set relayhost in that postfix to use the real mail server for any mail to go out... Then on the old machine which is now just the mail server, but used to be both web and mail, I changed the aliases for mailman in /etc/postfix/aliases so that instead of piping commands to the mailman binary, they instead directed list posts to the web servers postfix (I used a fake internal domain "internal.com" for the web servers postfx mydestination and added it to the hosts file of both machines) The aliases are now in this form: mailman-admin: mailman-admin at internal.com mailman-bounces: mailman-bounces at internal.com mailman-confirm: mailman-confirm at internal.com mailman-join: mailman-join at internal.com mailman-leave: mailman-leave at internal.com mailman-owner: mailman-owner at internal.com mailman-request: mailman-request at internal.com mailman-subscribe: mailman-subscribe at internal.com mailman-unsubscribe: mailman-unsubscribe at internal.com Then on the web server, I put the real mailman aliases that pipe to the mailman binary into its aliases file... This seems something of a mess.. and I'm also having a problem that internal.com is resolved via dns to an external site (who'd have thought :-) postfix seesm to ignore the hosts entries (and the /var/spool/postfix/etc/hosts) entries and is just using dns to resolve, (even though resolv.conf and hosts.conf are set to seach locally first).. Anyway, after much scratching of my head, searching the net, reading mailman docs I am not really any closer to getting this working... I am not a postfix guru (or any MTA for that matter.) so I am not even sure how I should be naming an internal mailserver that only has access to the external net via my real mail server. Can you guys give me any pointers as to the best way I can achive this??? kindest regards Franki From Rickard at dicom.se Wed Nov 12 23:27:52 2003 From: Rickard at dicom.se (Rickard Andersson) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:27:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Swedish characters Message-ID: Hello everyone! I have a problem with swedish characters in the subject line when sending mail to my recently set up Mac OS X server (10.3) with mailman 2.1.2. Everything else works fine. The thing that happens is that I get a space in front of the first swedish character and a space after the last one. For example: "sm ?rg? sbord" should be "sm?rg?sbord". It only occurs in the subject line, not in the mail. If its more than 2 of those characters it will only effect the first and the last one! I also just found out that it's only a problem when using Microsoft Entourage as a mail client. Have any one heard of this problem? Thanks Rickard Andersson From alex_bws at yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 03:34:45 2003 From: alex_bws at yahoo.com (Alex Szanca) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:34:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] hacking question about options.html Message-ID: <20031111023445.28279.qmail@web21311.mail.yahoo.com> I want to find out a persons email addy..without them knowing. How do I do this? I have this persons full name, full home address and home phone number. Thank you for your help... Alex --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard From jennyfan28 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 16:06:53 2003 From: jennyfan28 at yahoo.com (jenny fan) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:06:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to remove a mailing list In-Reply-To: <022701c238da$c511cfa0$d101a8c0@viz.com> Message-ID: <20031111150653.57128.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Guys, I have 3 mailing lists. Now I want to remove one of them. Could you give me detail instruction how to acchieve that? thanks, Jenny __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From Naor at coolvision.biz Wed Nov 12 10:03:29 2003 From: Naor at coolvision.biz (Naor) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:03:29 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL Issues Message-ID: <5931874ABC2D5045833839FCAFED1A0641E1FF@exchange4> Hi, I saw your post on the AOL bounce back issue, and I was wandering if you got any good answers, as I'm having the same problem. 10X Naor From J.P.Snowdon at newcastle.ac.uk Wed Nov 12 15:38:34 2003 From: J.P.Snowdon at newcastle.ac.uk (John Snowdon) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:38:34 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List admins not able to approve? Message-ID: <991B359C499D0240B8C66AF38A4101BB55B2DD@pinewood.ncl.ac.uk> Running a dozen or so lightly populated lists on the following setup Mailman 2.1.2 (source package, upgrad from 2.0.8) Apache 1.3.26 Solaris 8 sendmail Since the upgrade (following the upgrade readme in the mailman source), list admins receive the authorisation request email for non-list members to post, however, when they reply (correctly, I may add; Approved: PASSWORD etc.) to the message in order to approve it, nothing happens... the message is not released to the list. Furthermore, these 'held' messages do not show up using the web admin interface and it just gives the same "There are no pending requests" response. However, in /home/mailman/data I see entries similar to: -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 2461 Nov 12 10:08 heldmsg-medev-52.pck (The contents of this matches up with a post that was held for list admin approval this morning.. again nothing happened when the message was replied to and it was not seen in the web interface) Apart from that, everything else works fine, posting, subscription, archive browsing etc. Any ideas? John Snowdon - IT Support Specialist -==========================================- Faculty of Medical Sciences Computing Dept School of Medical Education Development University of Newcastle From sethfernald at yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 00:16:33 2003 From: sethfernald at yahoo.com (Seth Fernald Yahoo) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:16:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman Message-ID: <14f501c3a7e0$afca9cf0$1cc3e742@D8KQ4621> Do you know if there is any way to use Mailman with my Yahoo hosted site? Thanks Seth Fernald From loay at oweitech.com Tue Nov 11 06:26:05 2003 From: loay at oweitech.com (Loay Oweis) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:26:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/Unsubsribe Message-ID: <3FB072ED.3070102@oweitech.com> Hello, I am an active user of mailman with happy results. I have over 4 active lists working very nicely. I am to add an additional site and there is a requirement to add a subscription box on the bottom of the site main page or an email link such as mailto:list-subscribe at domain.com. Can you make any recommendations ? I have already begun the process of pointing the list main page; however, for the average user that page is confusing as there are too many options. Also, it would be nice to have the same functionality for the unsubsription. I have looked online and I have seen many asking similar questions to the possible surprise of those involved with Mailman. I believe the disconnect is simply that the list info page has too much. Any recommendations or an example of someone actually doing this ? Best Regards, Loay Oweis From jack at videotelecon.com Wed Nov 12 15:56:55 2003 From: jack at videotelecon.com (jacks) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:56:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hosting options Message-ID: <004b01c3a92d$38ea2f80$1010a8c0@jacksheekey> Hi. Great program. I have some small applications (~200 of the same users on a list serv) & the occasional "mass mailing" (also to a few hundred at a time to different lists) that I'd like to use this for. Ideally we'd like to just use a version already set up & hosted elsewhere. I don't think with our current skills in hous that we should be hosting a mail server ourselves. Can you suggest any nice (& inexpensive) hosts that use mailman that can make it available to us? Any suggested hosts are greatly appreciated. Thanks, - Jack ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Jack M. 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Swets Blackwell 160 Ninth Avenue Runnemede, NJ 08078 Direct: (856) 312-2150 Fax: (856) 312-2013 acampbell at us.swets.com From grodenhi at holycross.edu Wed Nov 12 17:03:51 2003 From: grodenhi at holycross.edu (Greg Rodenhiser) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:03:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] customize Message-ID: <1068653030.6785.19.camel@penguin> I am trying to change the look and feel of all the pages (including main page listing lists, admin page, etc). Where are they stored? (I've found all the templates but want to change look and feel of ALL pages). I would like to at least add a header to the top of each page. Where would I set this up. Thanks in advance.... -- Greg Rodenhiser College of the Holy Cross ITS From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Nov 13 02:59:28 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 12 Nov 2003 20:59:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] customize In-Reply-To: <1068653030.6785.19.camel@penguin> References: <1068653030.6785.19.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <1068688768.4506.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 11:03, Greg Rodenhiser wrote: > I am trying to change the look and feel of all the pages (including main > page listing lists, admin page, etc). Where are they stored? (I've > found all the templates but want to change look and feel of ALL pages). > I would like to at least add a header to the top of each page. Where > would I set this up. Thanks in advance.... You'll need to edit the source for some of those pages. It's not as hard as you might think, and there is lots of documentation in the Archives (perhaps too much!) Good Luck - Jon Carnes From debianlists at fdread.org Thu Nov 13 03:19:34 2003 From: debianlists at fdread.org (debianlists) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 03:19:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with attachments/MIME in digests and archives Message-ID: <200311130319.34489.debianlists@fdread.org> I'm running mailman-2.1.2 on Debian woody with postfix 2.0.14. everything is working fine, except when a user posts a message containing an attached word document, the file-extension is changed to .bin or .exe. e.g.: ---*snip*--- Dateiname : Angebot.doc Dateityp : application/msword Dateigr??e : 179712 bytes Beschreibung: nicht verf?gbar URL : https://xyz.at/pipermail/autofahren/attachments/20031113/ e261f13f/Angebot-0002.bin ---*snip*--- any ideas? Thanks in advance robert From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Nov 13 03:52:12 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 12 Nov 2003 21:52:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] IP Validation In-Reply-To: <670C57AFB3D7D6118239000802B08713011C07BF@sbi-na-3> References: <670C57AFB3D7D6118239000802B08713011C07BF@sbi-na-3> Message-ID: <1068691932.4506.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 15:22, Anne Campbell wrote: > We're running Mailman on an Unix box using Postfix. How can we offer IP > Validation to a specific list on our server? > > Anne Campbell > Manager, Information Technology > > As of December 2, 2003 Swets Blackwell will change its name to: Swets > Information Services. > Please note that my email address has changed to acampbell at us.swets.com. > > Swets Blackwell > 160 Ninth Avenue > Runnemede, NJ 08078 > > Direct: (856) 312-2150 > Fax: (856) 312-2013 > > acampbell at us.swets.com > What IP are you looking to validate? The senders? Their MTA? Is this for Anti-spam - or security? Mailman doesn't have great header filters (the ip addresses of the MTA's that touched the email will be in the header), but you can front-end your lists with Procmail or a specialized Milter that examines the ip addresses and tests them. I've played with some surprisingly good filters in OpenBSD (though I can't remember the names), and some of those did verification based on the IP Addresses of the MTA's. They were also configurable enough to only kick in when the To: field was for specific lists. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Nov 13 03:53:50 2003 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 03:53:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read indication on Archive In-Reply-To: <200311111516.hABFGej17276@smtp1.prupref.com> References: <200311111516.hABFGej17276@smtp1.prupref.com> Message-ID: At 9:16 AM -0600 2003/11/11, McKeever Chris wrote: > If anyone has any suggestions as to a good approach to this, it would > be very appreciated Use a shared IMAP mailbox instead. If the people in question don't have proper IMAP clients, put a webmail front-end on the IMAP server (TWIG, SquirrelMail, etc...). A mailing list is not a good solution for this kind of problem. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Nov 13 03:57:30 2003 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 03:57:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapping long lines in Mailman In-Reply-To: <20031111104606.6f0e150f.wfroning@pacific.edu> References: <20031111100329.7a92313b.wfroning@pacific.edu> <87r80eycym.fsf@athene.jamux.com> <20031111104606.6f0e150f.wfroning@pacific.edu> Message-ID: At 10:46 AM -0800 2003/11/11, Will Froning wrote: > Basically yes. If I have a CIO that's too ST*P*D to use carriage > returns, do you think he even knows/cares what PGP is? This wouldn't > have to be a site-wide change, just for certain lists. And that's why I > like the fmt option. It's done through aliases, so I can selectively > turn it on/off. If you're going to use a command-line tool, take the time to learn "par". It reformats much more intelligently, although it has a higher learning curve. You would need to install it as additional software under either FreeBSD or Solaris, but at least for FreeBSD there should be a port definition for it. I doubt that you will regret the time you take to learn "par" over "fmt". -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Nov 13 04:28:48 2003 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:28:48 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Swedish characters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:27 PM +0100 2003/11/12, Rickard Andersson wrote: > For example: "sm ?rg? sbord" should be "sm?rg?sbord". It only occurs > in the subject line, not in the mail. Sounds like your MUA is not properly formatting the subject line of the message in accordance to the MIME standards, specifically with regards to the character set used within the subject line. This is not something that mailman or the MTA can fix -- you need to get this fixed in the client. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From fuzzy at pooh.ASARian.org Thu Nov 13 04:32:24 2003 From: fuzzy at pooh.ASARian.org (Fuzzy) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:32:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman still fails after upgrading to version: 2.2a0 Message-ID: FreeBSD 4.7-release Mailman 2.2a0 (from CVS) Python 2.2.1 Sendmail 8.12.6 Apache 1.3.23 Would updating Python help? A few of the lists now can be listed with list_members, list_lists still returns this error... Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 219, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 149, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(listname) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 126, in __init__ self.Lock() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 163, in Lock self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 590, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 563, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) cPickle.UnpicklingError: member is not safe for unpickling Is there anyway to repair or regenerate the .pck files so normal service will work again? thanks -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Fuzzy, SysAdmin, \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | ASARian.org X - NO Word docs in e-mail | fuzzy @ ASARian.org / \ From kcoskun at bilgi.edu.tr Thu Nov 13 15:49:28 2003 From: kcoskun at bilgi.edu.tr (Kaan) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:49:28 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML archives are not updating Message-ID: <3FB399F8.7080300@bilgi.edu.tr> Hi, I am updating to mailman 2.1.3 from 2.0.13. I have copied the list files and archive files to the new machine which mailman 2.1.3 is set up. Mail list is functioning. I am sending and receiving mail over this mail list. And maillist.mbox files is been updated. But HTML archives are not updated. How can I check what is missing. As far as I know HTML archive updating is done by qrunner. May be some info about this may also help. Best regards, Kaan Coskun From jdecarlo at mitre.org Thu Nov 13 17:01:47 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:01:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] default chunk size. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FB3AAEB.1060007@mitre.org> Sean, Did you restart Mailman? Sean wrote: > I'm running Mailman 2.0 and trying to up the chuck size viewable on > membership management page of the admin interface. I'm not sure if I've > got the rigth variable in the mm_cfg.py file. Here is what I put: > > ############################################### > # Here's where we get the distributed defaults. > > from Defaults import * > > DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 60 > > But the page still only shows addresses in chuncks of 30. Is this right? > How can this be done a per-list basis? -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From sean at sweetbourbon.com Thu Nov 13 17:13:47 2003 From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:13:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] default chunk size. In-Reply-To: <3FB3AAEB.1060007@mitre.org> Message-ID: No. How is mailman restarted in 2.0? I know in 2.1 there is mailmancrtl. Perhaps the change in the mm_cfg.py only applys to lists that are created after the change? Sean On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, John DeCarlo wrote: > Sean, > > Did you restart Mailman? > > Sean wrote: > > I'm running Mailman 2.0 and trying to up the chuck size viewable on > > membership management page of the admin interface. I'm not sure if I've > > got the rigth variable in the mm_cfg.py file. Here is what I put: > > > > ############################################### > > # Here's where we get the distributed defaults. > > > > from Defaults import * > > > > DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 60 > > > > But the page still only shows addresses in chuncks of 30. Is this right? > > How can this be done a per-list basis? > > -- > > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > > > From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Thu Nov 13 17:31:21 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:31:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] default chunk size. In-Reply-To: References: <3FB3AAEB.1060007@mitre.org> Message-ID: <20031113163121.GV2049@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sean wrote: > No. How is mailman restarted in 2.0? It isn't. No need worry that you're missing something. > Perhaps the change in the mm_cfg.py only applys to lists that are > created after the change? I believe that's it. I'm not positive for 2.0, but I'd bet that's it. Here's a post from a few weeks ago from Richard Barrett explaining one way to change this from the command line for existing lists: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg20225.html You might need to tweak those instructions a little for 2.0 if the variable name is different. You can also create a withlist script (or copy and modify one of the existing scripts like fix_url.py) to help you do this if you have a lot of lists you want to update - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== In my life, I have prayed but one prayer: oh Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it. -- Voltaire -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/s7HZuv+09NZUB1oRAgsDAKCNMHvHAFrDIZ+XMajuS4UEv52T8wCfZb4r r4ORIsJAJA9PTK7ovxYPViw= =kOli -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chris123 at magma.ca Fri Nov 14 00:02:21 2003 From: chris123 at magma.ca (Chris Herrnberger) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:02:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SuSE 8.2 rpm 2.1.1-91 Message-ID: <200311131802.21718.chris123@magma.ca> Greetings; Sorry to pester with this error message, but using the SuSE supplied rpm and setting /etc/sysconfig/mailman as follows SuSE Defaults ---------------------------- MAILMAN_MAIL_GID="65534" MAILMAN_CGI_GID="65534" now /etc/mailman.cgi-gid reads "65534 I still get the 'failure to execute cgi-error" WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 55534. Is there anywhere else on a SuSE sytem that I can rest this value other then as a command line arguement durring compile? Since I dont see many complaints on the list archive on this, it seems to me it must be user error. Sorry new to setting this up. I did find this reference and the changes made but its not directly related to the above error message: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg19718.html tks /ch From andreas.kraxner at uibk.ac.at Fri Nov 14 11:56:56 2003 From: andreas.kraxner at uibk.ac.at (Kraxner Andreas) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:56:56 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] openbsd attachment Message-ID: <200311141056.56621.andreas.kraxner@uibk.ac.at> Hi all, i running mailman 2.1.2 on OpenBSD 3.4 and evereything works fine with normal messages (wihout attachment), but now there is a problem with attachments. if a user send an attachment to a list the messig wount reply to all users. and i found an error in /var/spool/mailman/error check_perms found no problem after installing and running mailman but after a postet message with an attachment check_perms show me that bash-2.05b# /usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms directory permissions must be 02775: /var/spool/mailman/archives/private/cluster/attachments/20031114 directory permissions must be 02775: /var/spool/mailman/archives/private/cluster/attachments/20031114/1117cf6a directory permissions must be 02775: /var/spool/mailman/archives/private/cluster/attachments/20031114/4678f8a0 Anyone has any ideia of what can be causing this problem? thx Andi /var/spool/mailmail/error -> Nov 08 23:48:43 2003 (24062) uncaught archiver exception at filepos: 0 Nov 08 23:48:43 2003 (24062) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/var/spool/mailman/archives/private/cluster/attachments/ 20031107/6cf756c2' Nov 08 23:48:43 2003 (24062) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/obj/i386/mailman-2.1.2p0-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop File "/usr/obj/i386/mailman-2.1.2p0-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile File "/usr/obj/i386/mailman-2.1.2p0-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose File "/usr/obj/i386/mailman-2.1.2p0-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 206, in ArchiveMail File "/usr/obj/i386/mailman-2.1.2p0-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 544, in processUnixMailbox File "/usr/obj/i386/python-2.2.1p1/fake-i386/usr/local/lib/python2.2/mailbox.py", line 34, in next return self.factory(_Subfile(self.fp, start, stop)) File "/usr/obj/i386/mailman-2.1.2p0-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 89, in scrubber File "/usr/obj/i386/mailman-2.1.2p0-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 109, in scrub File "/usr/obj/i386/mailman-2.1.2p0-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 219, in process File "/usr/obj/i386/mailman-2.1.2p0-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 341, in save_attachment File "/usr/obj/i386/mailman-2.1.2p0-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 333, in makedirs File "/usr/obj/i386/python-2.2.1p1/fake-i386/usr/local/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py", line 279, in walk func(arg, top, names) File "/usr/obj/i386/mailman-2.1.2p0-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 332, in twiddle OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/var/spool/mailman/archives/private/cluster/attachments/20031107/6cf756c2' From mailman-users at davefisher.co.uk Fri Nov 14 15:00:51 2003 From: mailman-users at davefisher.co.uk (mailman-users at davefisher.co.uk) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:00:51 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help re: web_page_url and virtual hosts Message-ID: <20031114140051.GC13162@davefisher.co.uk> Please forgive me if I have missed some obvious documentation, but I'm having some difficulty getting mailman to co-operate in the use of virtual hosts. I've read Nigel Metherigham's Exim-Mailman howto and added his suggested code to my exim.conf file. List mail is definitely being delivered to the correct domains. Unfortunately, all the message components that contain the web_page_url string variable have it evaluating to one domain name (usually the wrong one) even though components using host_name evaluate to each list's correct domain. Apache is serving all the list web pages on all the domains it hosts, instead of limiting each list to its appropriate domain. The most immediate thing I need to know, is where I can definitively set the default value, and the per list values, for web_page_url. I am using Debian, which has basic configs in /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py and that imports Defaults (I am guessing from /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py) I've changed the values of DEFAULT_URL and DEFAULT_URL_HOST in mm_cfg.py, and restarted mailman, but it still spews out the old default domain for web_page_url on all lists. I have read the comments in Defaults.py about virtual domains, but am no wiser about what variables I should change or how I should change them to get virtual domains to work properly. These problems seem to lie with mailman per se, and the variables it passes, rather than with Apache or Exim. Dave From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Fri Nov 14 15:10:54 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:10:54 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help re: web_page_url and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <20031114140051.GC13162@davefisher.co.uk> Message-ID: <5C6F8236-16AC-11D8-8E7A-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> On Friday, November 14, 2003, at 02:00 pm, mailman-users at davefisher.co.uk wrote: > Please forgive me if I have missed some obvious documentation, but I'm > having some difficulty getting mailman to co-operate in the use of > virtual hosts. > > I've read Nigel Metherigham's Exim-Mailman howto and added his > suggested > code to my exim.conf file. List mail is definitely being delivered to > the correct domains. > > Unfortunately, all the message components that contain the web_page_url > string variable have it evaluating to one domain name (usually the > wrong > one) even though components using host_name evaluate to each list's > correct domain. > This FAQ entry my be of use: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp > Apache is serving all the list web pages on all the domains it hosts, > instead of limiting each list to its appropriate domain. > > The most immediate thing I need to know, is where I can definitively > set > the default value, and the per list values, for web_page_url. > > I am using Debian, which has basic configs in /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py > and > that imports Defaults (I am guessing from > /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py) > > I've changed the values of DEFAULT_URL and DEFAULT_URL_HOST in > mm_cfg.py, and restarted mailman, but it still spews out the old > default > domain for web_page_url on all lists. > > I have read the comments in Defaults.py about virtual domains, but am > no > wiser about what variables I should change or how I should change them > to get virtual domains to work properly. > > These problems seem to lie with mailman per se, and the variables it > passes, rather than with Apache or Exim. > > Dave From fischer at tcf.de Fri Nov 14 16:08:46 2003 From: fischer at tcf.de (Thomas C. Fischer) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:08:46 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] help re: web_page_url and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <5C6F8236-16AC-11D8-8E7A-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> References: <5C6F8236-16AC-11D8-8E7A-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Richard, hi Dave, > > Unfortunately, all the message components that contain the web_page_url > > string variable have it evaluating to one domain name (usually the > > wrong > > one) even though components using host_name evaluate to each list's > > correct domain. > > > > This FAQ entry my be of use: > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp Forgive me when I laugh... This FAQ entry is quoted every single time someone asks about URLs in mailman. And I have never met anybody whose problem got solved through reading it... I am using mailman for quite a while now and I still haven't managed to set the URL correctly from the start. The way I do it now is to set up a list, ignore the mail to the list admin and change the URL manually with fix_url.py. ./withlist -l -r fix_url mylistname -v -u my.webhost.name However I am still very interested in finding people who managed to configure mailman in a way that the URL gets set correctly right from the beginning. Look here: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailhost.name' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'my.webhost.name' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) Now tell my why this doesn't do the trick?! The mail for the list admin still has the link https://mailhost.name/mailman/admin/test But instead of mailhost.name it should have my.webhost.name, don't you reckon? Well, as usual: Any help is greatly appreciated! Best regards, Tom From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Nov 14 16:35:22 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:35:22 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help re: web_page_url and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <28FA16F6-16B8-11D8-8E7A-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Friday, November 14, 2003, at 03:08 pm, Thomas C. Fischer wrote: > Hi Richard, hi Dave, > >>> Unfortunately, all the message components that contain the >>> web_page_url >>> string variable have it evaluating to one domain name (usually the >>> wrong >>> one) even though components using host_name evaluate to each list's >>> correct domain. >>> >> >> This FAQ entry my be of use: >> >> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp > > Forgive me when I laugh... This FAQ entry is quoted every single time > someone asks about URLs in mailman. And I have never met anybody whose > problem got solved through reading it... Well, you and anybody else who has the time and energy to do better is welcome to rewrite that FAQ or any another. It is Open Software and anybody can contribute .... > > I am using mailman for quite a while now and I still haven't managed to > set the URL correctly from the start. Have your read the output from $prefix/bin/newlist --help ? It says in part: You can specify the domain to create your new list in by spelling the listname like so: mylist at www.mydom.ain where `www.mydom.ain' should be the base hostname for the URL to this virtual hosts's lists. E.g. with is setting people will view the general list overviews at http://www.mydom.ain/mailman/listinfo. Also, www.mydom.ain should be a key in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS mapping in mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py. It will be looked up to give the email hostname. If this can't be found, then www.mydom.ain will be used for both the web interface and the email interface. > The way I do it now is to set up a > list, ignore the mail to the list admin and change the URL manually > with > fix_url.py. > > ./withlist -l -r fix_url mylistname -v -u my.webhost.name > > > However I am still very interested in finding people who managed to > configure mailman in a way that the URL gets set correctly right from > the > beginning. > > Look here: > > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailhost.name' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'my.webhost.name' > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' > VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() > add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > > Now tell my why this doesn't do the trick?! The mail for the list admin > still has the link > > https://mailhost.name/mailman/admin/test > > But instead of mailhost.name it should have my.webhost.name, don't you > reckon? Only if the list was created after the assignments you cite above were extant when the list was created. Are you saying that if you now create another test list, you get the wrong results? > > Well, as usual: Any help is greatly appreciated! > > Best regards, > Tom > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Nov 14 17:27:10 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:27:10 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help re: web_page_url and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <655B9220-16BF-11D8-8E7A-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Friday, November 14, 2003, at 04:00 pm, Thomas C. Fischer wrote: > Hi Richard, > > thanks for your answer! I appreciate talking to someone who apparently > knows what he is talking about! ;-) > >>> Forgive me when I laugh... This FAQ entry is quoted every single time >>> someone asks about URLs in mailman. And I have never met anybody >>> whose >>> problem got solved through reading it... >> >> Well, you and anybody else who has the time and energy to do better is >> welcome to rewrite that FAQ or any another. It is Open Software and >> anybody can contribute .... > > Didn't want to offend anybody - forgive me if this sounded slightly > sarcastic. I wish I could rewrite the FAQ - it's just that I simply > haven't understood how these parameters are working together... > >> Have your read the output from $prefix/bin/newlist --help ? It says in >> part: >> >> >> You can specify the domain to create your new list in by spelling the >> listname >> like so: >> >> mylist at www.mydom.ain >> >> where `www.mydom.ain' should be the base hostname for the URL to this >> virtual >> hosts's lists. E.g. with is setting people will view the general list >> overviews at http://www.mydom.ain/mailman/listinfo. Also, >> www.mydom.ain >> should be a key in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS mapping in mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py. >> It >> will be looked up to give the email hostname. If this can't be found, >> then >> www.mydom.ain will be used for both the web interface and the email >> interface. >> > > Yup! And the important part seems to be the "key in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS > mapping"-thingy... What mailman does in my case is that it uses > www.mydom.ain for both the web interface and the email interface, > although > I use the settings described below... > >>> Look here: >>> >>> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailhost.name' >>> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'my.webhost.name' >>> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' >>> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() >>> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) >>> >>> Now tell my why this doesn't do the trick?! The mail for the list >>> admin >>> still has the link >>> >>> https://mailhost.name/mailman/admin/test >>> >>> But instead of mailhost.name it should have my.webhost.name, don't >>> you >>> reckon? >> >> Only if the list was created after the assignments you cite above were >> extant when the list was created. Are you saying that if you now >> create >> another test list, you get the wrong results? > > Yes, that's what I am saying. With the above settings I do a > bin/newlist test at mailhost.name But you should be doing: bin/newlist test at webhost.name Which is what the command usage is trying to tell you to do. Yes, it may be counter-intuitive but the --help output is quite clear if you actually read it carefully. > > And then it will use the mailhost.name in the webhost-corner! > > It works fine as long as I simply say > bin/newlist test - without the mailhost.name thing... > > But after all there are more virtual hosts on my machine... If you supply the web host domain in the newlist parameter, the code that does the setup of the new list's web_page_url and mail host_name attributes is as follows: host_name = None web_page_url = None if '@' in listname: listname, domain = listname.split('@', 1) host_name = mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOSTS.get(domain, domain) web_page_url = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN % domain It just does a simple dictionary lookup of the virtual hosts you have defined for your site. If the lookup fails then the domain on the command parameter is used for both mail and web hosts. There is not a whole lot to go wrong with this code. > > Once again: Thanks for your ongoing help. > > Regards, > Tom > From fischer at tcf.de Fri Nov 14 17:00:17 2003 From: fischer at tcf.de (Thomas C. Fischer) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:00:17 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] help re: web_page_url and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <28FA16F6-16B8-11D8-8E7A-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> References: <28FA16F6-16B8-11D8-8E7A-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Richard, thanks for your answer! I appreciate talking to someone who apparently knows what he is talking about! ;-) > > Forgive me when I laugh... This FAQ entry is quoted every single time > > someone asks about URLs in mailman. And I have never met anybody whose > > problem got solved through reading it... > > Well, you and anybody else who has the time and energy to do better is > welcome to rewrite that FAQ or any another. It is Open Software and > anybody can contribute .... Didn't want to offend anybody - forgive me if this sounded slightly sarcastic. I wish I could rewrite the FAQ - it's just that I simply haven't understood how these parameters are working together... > Have your read the output from $prefix/bin/newlist --help ? It says in > part: > > > You can specify the domain to create your new list in by spelling the > listname > like so: > > mylist at www.mydom.ain > > where `www.mydom.ain' should be the base hostname for the URL to this > virtual > hosts's lists. E.g. with is setting people will view the general list > overviews at http://www.mydom.ain/mailman/listinfo. Also, www.mydom.ain > should be a key in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS mapping in mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py. > It > will be looked up to give the email hostname. If this can't be found, > then > www.mydom.ain will be used for both the web interface and the email > interface. > Yup! And the important part seems to be the "key in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS mapping"-thingy... What mailman does in my case is that it uses www.mydom.ain for both the web interface and the email interface, although I use the settings described below... > > Look here: > > > > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailhost.name' > > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'my.webhost.name' > > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' > > VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() > > add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > > > > Now tell my why this doesn't do the trick?! The mail for the list admin > > still has the link > > > > https://mailhost.name/mailman/admin/test > > > > But instead of mailhost.name it should have my.webhost.name, don't you > > reckon? > > Only if the list was created after the assignments you cite above were > extant when the list was created. Are you saying that if you now create > another test list, you get the wrong results? Yes, that's what I am saying. With the above settings I do a bin/newlist test at mailhost.name And then it will use the mailhost.name in the webhost-corner! It works fine as long as I simply say bin/newlist test - without the mailhost.name thing... But after all there are more virtual hosts on my machine... Once again: Thanks for your ongoing help. Regards, Tom From fischer at tcf.de Fri Nov 14 17:39:59 2003 From: fischer at tcf.de (Thomas C. Fischer) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:39:59 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] help re: web_page_url and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <655B9220-16BF-11D8-8E7A-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> References: <655B9220-16BF-11D8-8E7A-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Richard Barrett wrote: > > On Friday, November 14, 2003, at 04:00 pm, Thomas C. Fischer wrote: > > > Hi Richard, > > > > thanks for your answer! I appreciate talking to someone who apparently > > knows what he is talking about! ;-) > > > >>> Forgive me when I laugh... This FAQ entry is quoted every single time > >>> someone asks about URLs in mailman. And I have never met anybody > >>> whose > >>> problem got solved through reading it... > >> > >> Well, you and anybody else who has the time and energy to do better is > >> welcome to rewrite that FAQ or any another. It is Open Software and > >> anybody can contribute .... > > > > Didn't want to offend anybody - forgive me if this sounded slightly > > sarcastic. I wish I could rewrite the FAQ - it's just that I simply > > haven't understood how these parameters are working together... > > > >> Have your read the output from $prefix/bin/newlist --help ? It says in > >> part: > >> > >> > >> You can specify the domain to create your new list in by spelling the > >> listname > >> like so: > >> > >> mylist at www.mydom.ain > >> > >> where `www.mydom.ain' should be the base hostname for the URL to this > >> virtual > >> hosts's lists. E.g. with is setting people will view the general list > >> overviews at http://www.mydom.ain/mailman/listinfo. Also, > >> www.mydom.ain > >> should be a key in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS mapping in mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py. > >> It > >> will be looked up to give the email hostname. If this can't be found, > >> then > >> www.mydom.ain will be used for both the web interface and the email > >> interface. > >> > > > > Yup! And the important part seems to be the "key in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS > > mapping"-thingy... What mailman does in my case is that it uses > > www.mydom.ain for both the web interface and the email interface, > > although > > I use the settings described below... > > > >>> Look here: > >>> > >>> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailhost.name' > >>> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'my.webhost.name' > >>> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' > >>> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() > >>> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > >>> > >>> Now tell my why this doesn't do the trick?! The mail for the list > >>> admin > >>> still has the link > >>> > >>> https://mailhost.name/mailman/admin/test > >>> > >>> But instead of mailhost.name it should have my.webhost.name, don't > >>> you > >>> reckon? > >> > >> Only if the list was created after the assignments you cite above were > >> extant when the list was created. Are you saying that if you now > >> create > >> another test list, you get the wrong results? > > > > Yes, that's what I am saying. With the above settings I do a > > bin/newlist test at mailhost.name > > But you should be doing: > > bin/newlist test at webhost.name > > Which is what the command usage is trying to tell you to do. Yes, it > may be counter-intuitive but the --help output is quite clear if you > actually read it carefully. Gnaaaaahhh... yes, IF you read it carefully! It is counter-intuitive, indeed... Well, now that I know this, I wonder if there is a way to solve my problem anyway... Look: All the web-interfaces for all the mailing lists on my server should be found on the same URL, say https://ssl.provider.com/mailman/... I do that, because it's the only way to have a decent SSL security on the configuration sites without playing SSL proxy games. But of course, the lists should be run on the various virtual domains on my server. For example list1 at maildomain1.com list2 at anotherdomain2.com etc. Sounds like there is no way to do this easily, don't you think? There is no way to do the mapping from this end, because all the maildomains got the same webdomain... Or do you have a clever hint? Regards, Tom > > And then it will use the mailhost.name in the webhost-corner! > > > > It works fine as long as I simply say > > bin/newlist test - without the mailhost.name thing... > > > > But after all there are more virtual hosts on my machine... > > If you supply the web host domain in the newlist parameter, the code > that does the setup of the new list's web_page_url and mail host_name > attributes is as follows: > > host_name = None > web_page_url = None > if '@' in listname: > listname, domain = listname.split('@', 1) > host_name = mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOSTS.get(domain, domain) > web_page_url = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN % domain > > It just does a simple dictionary lookup of the virtual hosts you have > defined for your site. If the lookup fails then the domain on the > command parameter is used for both mail and web hosts. There is not a > whole lot to go wrong with this code. > > > > > Once again: Thanks for your ongoing help. > > > > Regards, > > Tom > > > > From donovan at mail2.beth.k12.pa.us Fri Nov 14 17:55:25 2003 From: donovan at mail2.beth.k12.pa.us (donovan) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:55:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I edit my footer Message-ID: <57E221F0-16C3-11D8-9621-0003930B42FC@mail2.beth.k12.pa.us> Greetings mailman newb here. I'm running mailman with OSX server. and there are many things i don't want my members to see. For instance, I would like to edit the footer of each list message. the default message leads users to the subscription page. I would like to disable access to the web interface. hints tips flames all welcome. --jeff From andrew.b.watson at nasa.gov Thu Nov 13 02:22:08 2003 From: andrew.b.watson at nasa.gov (Andrew Watson) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:22:08 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] preparing for upgrade Message-ID: Many of the messages to this list describe difficulties users have had in upgrading from one version to another, while preserving existing lists, archives, preferences, etc. I must perform such an upgrade soon (from 2.0.7. to 2.1.2), and wonder whether there is a comprehensive treatment somewhere of the steps one should take to insure a successful migration. My lists are on an ISP that provides the mailman application, so there are limits to my control over the situation. I have read the "UPGRADING" document in the installation package, but it is very skimpy on details, and does not mention archives at all. The issues that I am aware of are: archives - I want them to be preserved, and for new mail to be seamlessly added to the existing archives aliases - I realize these need to be upgraded. the README.bsd file gives no info on how to do this list options - how do i preserve these? subscriber lists and their preferences - how do i preserve these? general - what needs to be backed up and restored, and how does one do the restoration? (just copy the files back to the place they used to be?) Again, I am happy to RTFM if someone can point me to the FM. I am reluctant to pore over hundreds of fragmentary answers in the archives of this list, though I will do that if necessary. Thanks for any help you might provide. Andrew From info at imr.com.tr Wed Nov 12 12:12:14 2003 From: info at imr.com.tr (ILGAZ MOUNTAIN RESORT) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:12:14 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maillist Delete Problem Message-ID: <011b01c3a9cd$d1b9f240$9ee299d5@erman> tatil at ilgazresort.com mail list is working although i have deleted it. it is not seen on our mailman web admin. int. so this maillist deliver mails without moderation (i've allready set the moderation rule!) billions of times everyday. how can i solve this problem ? what sholud we do ? From rejean at interfree.ca Thu Nov 13 12:18:07 2003 From: rejean at interfree.ca (Rejean Proulx) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:18:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Destination Message-ID: <006f01c3a9d7$d0d3f380$6901a8c0@ism.can.ibm.com> What does implicit destination mean? I want these posts so what can I do as administrator to let them through without approval. What does implicit destination mean? How do I stop this. I want these posts. There must be something I can do as administrator. ----- Original Message ----- From: < support-owner at interfree.ca> To: < support-owner at interfree.ca> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:49 AM Subject: Support post from rejean at interfree.ca requires approval > As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the > following mailing list posting: > > List: Support at interfree.ca > From: rejean at interfree.ca > Subject: Re: [Support] Account details for barryp at blindetext (pending adminapproval) > Reason: Message has implicit destination > > At your convenience, visit: > > http://interfree.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/support > > to approve or deny the request. > Rejean Proulx Visit my family at http://interfree.ca MSN is: rejp at rogers.com Ham License VA3REJ From b-bowers at cox.net Thu Nov 13 16:46:18 2003 From: b-bowers at cox.net (Bob Bowers) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:46:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031113084341.01da4258@pop.west.cox.net> I am having a formatting problem. The word "Blank" is being inserted in the beginning of messages. To all appearances (Details for msg_header) is blank. When there was a header, the same problem occurred. My web site hosting service has been unable to help. Example: To: Cc: From: Members at cbatucson.org Subject: [CBAMembers MailList] Next Week's Breakfast BlankAttention ALL current and past CBA Members: This month's Breakfast meeting is NEXT Thursday, November 20th at 7:30am, at the Four Points Sheraton, on Speedway and Campbell. From junsola at rogers.com Thu Nov 13 20:07:21 2003 From: junsola at rogers.com (Jun Sola) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:07:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Message-ID: <007001c3aa19$5d907b40$70646718@home> Hi, We are planning to use Mailman. My questions are: 1. Is it possible to retreive our Yahoo archive and store it to Mailman? 2. Can Mailman handle unlimited users? 3. Is it possible to mirror our Yahoo subscriber to Mailman? 4. Do you have a documentation explaining step by step on how to install it to Linux box? Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jun --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.534 / Virus Database: 329 - Release Date: 10/31/2003 From tim at whyintheworld.org Thu Nov 13 23:59:34 2003 From: tim at whyintheworld.org (Tim Mansfield) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:59:34 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ezmlm->mailman Message-ID: <059d01c3aa39$ce7c8270$8368a943@epahighschool.aspirepublicschools.org> i am using ezmlm i cannot find an easy way to create a web-based searchable/browsable archive of messages. can mailman do this? if so, is there a way to migrate my ezmlm messages over to mailman? thanks tim From janefruendt at cox.net Fri Nov 14 05:43:35 2003 From: janefruendt at cox.net (Jane Fruendt) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:43:35 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] All HTML is gone Message-ID: <003601c3aa69$e1561930$5a6414ac@Laptop> I run a very small list (12 members). In the last month or so, every single post arrives in plain text for everyone. No one is set to receive plain text, and nearly everyone on the list posts in HTML, but it never comes through in HTML. How can I fix this? Thanks. Jane From kathy at dangcomputer.com Fri Nov 14 10:02:41 2003 From: kathy at dangcomputer.com (Kathy) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:02:41 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman questions Message-ID: <3FB49A31.000014.03428@irving> Hi, I have been trying out the pre-configured Mailmain listserv on my site for the last few days and there seem to be several things that I would like to do but can't. Can anyone confirm? 1/ Delete posts from the archive 2/ Attachments: Have them show up as their correct file type (eg. .doc, pdf). They all are converted into .ogj format. I saw some info on changing the "scrubber.py" file but that is blocked 3/ View archive by date and actually show the date beside each post Thanks From george at althouses.com Fri Nov 14 19:11:43 2003 From: george at althouses.com (George L. Althouse) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:11:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SUBSCRIBE PAGE QUESTION Message-ID: <001e01c3aada$c36403d0$4b265444@DELL> I just set up Mailman through Hostway.com as part of our hosting agreement. I noticed that on the Mailman-Users subscribe page there is a place for the subscribers name. Hostway does not have this as part of their setup. By only having an email address it is nearly impossible to identify the subscriber. How can I add this to our list? George From mark at pdc-racing.net Fri Nov 14 19:38:54 2003 From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:38:54 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Destination In-Reply-To: <006f01c3a9d7$d0d3f380$6901a8c0@ism.can.ibm.com> References: <006f01c3a9d7$d0d3f380$6901a8c0@ism.can.ibm.com> Message-ID: Implicit Destination means the list address is not present in either to To: or CC: lines in a posting. It typically means that someone BCC'd the list. It's forbidden because it's a common spam technique.. - Mark On Nov 13, 2003, at 3:18 AM, Rejean Proulx wrote: > What does implicit destination mean? I want these posts so what can I > do as > administrator to let them through without approval. > > What does implicit destination mean? How do I stop this. I want these > posts. There must be something I can do as administrator. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: < > support-owner at interfree.ca> > > To: < > support-owner at interfree.ca> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:49 AM > Subject: Support post from > rejean at interfree.ca > requires approval > >> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the >> following mailing list posting: >> >> List: > Support at interfree.ca >> > From: > rejean at interfree.ca >> > Subject: Re: [Support] Account details for barryp at blindetext > (pending adminapproval) >> Reason: Message has implicit destination >> >> At your convenience, visit: >> >> > http://interfree.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/support >> > >> to approve or deny the request. >> > > Rejean Proulx > Visit my family at http://interfree.ca > MSN is: rejp at rogers.com > Ham License VA3REJ > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: mark at pdc-racing.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mark%40pdc- > racing.net From amatteo at oldamerika.com Fri Nov 14 20:48:42 2003 From: amatteo at oldamerika.com (Matteo) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:48:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-User] Mailman + Plesk 5.0 Message-ID: <000e01c3aae8$4e6a4db0$0101a8c0@matteocasa> Hello, I install mailman on plesk 5.0, I used rpm of atomicturtle..... but now when I see http://lists.mydomain.it/mailman/create explorer tell me "Page not found" why ?? I create a new record in dns zone A as lists.mydomain.it I configure mm_cfg.py and I add to cron tab populate-lists.sh but it don't work ?? Atomicturtle tell me that I must configure apache to mailman, but I insert a include at the end of httpd.conf, as "include httpd-mailman.conf" it contain all configuration for apache but it don't work ???? Why ?? anybody have one idea ???? Thank Matteo From jdecarlo at mitre.org Fri Nov 14 20:55:55 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:55:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman In-Reply-To: <007001c3aa19$5d907b40$70646718@home> References: <007001c3aa19$5d907b40$70646718@home> Message-ID: <3FB5334B.7090004@mitre.org> Jun, 1. Search the archives. This question has been answered before. There are utilities to move from Yahoo to Mailman. 2. Unlimited? There is no hard-coded limit. You should properly size your installation to support the number of users, bandwidth, etc. 3. see 1. 4. If you download the source, there is an INSTALL document, as well as other documentation that needs to be read. HTH Jun Sola wrote: > We are planning to use Mailman. My questions are: > > 1. Is it possible to retreive our Yahoo archive and store it to > Mailman? > 2. Can Mailman handle unlimited users? > 3. Is it possible to mirror our Yahoo subscriber to Mailman? > 4. Do you have a documentation explaining step by step on how to > install it to Linux box? -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From jdecarlo at mitre.org Fri Nov 14 21:00:20 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:00:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I edit my footer In-Reply-To: <57E221F0-16C3-11D8-9621-0003930B42FC@mail2.beth.k12.pa.us> References: <57E221F0-16C3-11D8-9621-0003930B42FC@mail2.beth.k12.pa.us> Message-ID: <3FB53454.7020108@mitre.org> Jeff, Via the administrative Web interface, you can change the footer. There is one footer for non-digest options and one for Digest Options. You will probably want to edit the text of documents in /templates/en - lots of them have references to the web interface. There are messages in the archive about how to handle changes to the templates. Basically if you change them in the same directory, the changes affect all lists and will be overwritten when you upgrade. If you change them and put them under each list you have, they will only affect that list and not be overwritten during an upgrade. donovan wrote: > Greetings > mailman newb here. > I'm running mailman with OSX server. and there are many things i don't > want my members to see. For instance, I would like to edit the footer of > each list message. > > the default message leads users to the subscription page. > I would like to disable access to the web interface. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From jdecarlo at mitre.org Fri Nov 14 21:02:39 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:02:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maillist Delete Problem In-Reply-To: <011b01c3a9cd$d1b9f240$9ee299d5@erman> References: <011b01c3a9cd$d1b9f240$9ee299d5@erman> Message-ID: <3FB534DF.5000708@mitre.org> Hello, The easiest thing to do to start would be to remove the alias for the list from your MTA configuration. Then the box will bounce the messages. Then you can look for evidence in various Mailman configurations for the list in your spare time. ILGAZ MOUNTAIN RESORT wrote: > tatil at ilgazresort.com mail list is working although i have deleted it. > it is not seen on our mailman web admin. int. > so this maillist deliver mails without moderation (i've allready set the moderation rule!) > billions of times everyday. > how can i solve this problem ? -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Nov 14 21:47:33 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:47:33 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I edit my footer In-Reply-To: <3FB53454.7020108@mitre.org> Message-ID: On Friday, November 14, 2003, at 08:00 pm, John DeCarlo wrote: > Jeff, > > Via the administrative Web interface, you can change the footer. > There is one footer for non-digest options and one for Digest Options. > > You will probably want to edit the text of documents in > /templates/en - lots of them have references to the web > interface. > > There are messages in the archive about how to handle changes to the > templates. Basically if you change them in the same directory, the > changes affect all lists and will be overwritten when you upgrade. If > you change them and put them under each list you have, they will only > affect that list and not be overwritten during an upgrade. Or you can have a site or domain specific templates which are not changed by upgrading. The template use hierarchy is (from the comments in $prefix/Mailman/Utils for the findtext() function for MM 2.1.3): # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places # that are searched, in this order: # # 1. the list-specific language directory # lists// # # 2. the domain-specific language directory # templates// # # 3. the site-wide language directory # templates/site/ # # 4. the global default language directory # templates/ > > donovan wrote: > >> Greetings >> mailman newb here. >> I'm running mailman with OSX server. and there are many things i >> don't want my members to see. For instance, I would like to edit the >> footer of each list message. >> the default message leads users to the subscription page. >> I would like to disable access to the web interface. Do not forget that much of your list administration is most conveniently done through the web admin GUI. Manipulating your web server's httpd.conf can be used to restrict access to all or part of the Mailman web interface; in the extreme do not run a web server or make no changes to httpd.conf to allow access. > > -- > > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Nov 14 21:25:10 2003 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:25:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help re: web_page_url and virtual hosts In-Reply-To: References: <5C6F8236-16AC-11D8-8E7A-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: At 4:08 PM +0100 2003/11/14, Thomas C. Fischer wrote: >> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp > > Forgive me when I laugh... This FAQ entry is quoted every single time > someone asks about URLs in mailman. And I have never met anybody whose > problem got solved through reading it... If that's the case, you could help this situation by editing the FAQ entry to suit. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From anders at norrbring.biz Fri Nov 14 22:44:51 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:44:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I fix the archive download problem? In-Reply-To: <200311021703.hA2H3iuU011173@ormen2.basenet.levonline.com> Message-ID: <200311142134.hAELYPYi023201@ormen1.basenet.levonline.com> Hiya all! I know there's something that needs to be added to the apache config to allow the download of "Complete Archives" in Mailman. When I click the link in IExplorer, the .mbox file opens as text in the window instead of initiating a download.. Can someone please jog my memory here? Anders Norrbring From ContactMe at David-lamotte.net Fri Nov 14 23:05:02 2003 From: ContactMe at David-lamotte.net (David Lamotte) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:05:02 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Subscribe/Unsubsribe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FB5518E.3040501@David-lamotte.net> > I have looked online and I have seen many asking similar questions to > the possible surprise of those involved with Mailman. I believe the > disconnect is simply that the list info page has too much. > > Any recommendations or an example of someone actually doing this ? Loay, Does looking at http://oz.craftbrewer.org/Digest help ? DAvid From rejean at interfree.ca Fri Nov 14 23:19:29 2003 From: rejean at interfree.ca (Rejean Proulx) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:19:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Addresses Message-ID: <016901c3aafd$5f2e3f20$6901a8c0@ism.can.ibm.com> I don't understand why Mailman rejects these notes. I don't want to have to approve them as administrator all the time? How do I fix this? Here is the note that itt rejected. I had to approve it in order to receive it. Return-path: < support-bounces at interfree.ca> Envelope-to: rejean at interfree.ca Delivery-date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:29:53 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=.interfree.ca ident=list) by .interfree.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AKjdg-0000RY-00; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:29:52 -0500 Received: from www-data by .interfree.ca with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AKjaf-0000Qy-00 for < nobody at interfree.ca> ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:26:45 -0500 To: nobody at interfree.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8Bit From: nobody at interfree.ca X-Mailer: Drupal Message-Id: < E1AKjaf-0000Qy-00 at .interfree.ca> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:26:45 -0500 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:29:50 -0500 Cc: Subject: [Support] Account details for gregorydejager at blindetext (pending admin approval) X-BeenThere: support at interfree.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: nobody at interfree.ca List-Id: Blindetext Support List-Unsubscribe: < http://interfree.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support>, mailto:support-request at interfree.ca?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: < http://interfree.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/private/support> List-Post: < mailto:support at interfree.ca> List-Help: < mailto:support-request at interfree.ca?subject=help> List-Subscribe: < http://interfree.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support>, mailto:support-request at interfree.ca?subject=subscribe> Sender: support-bounces at interfree.ca Errors-To: support-bounces at interfree.ca gregorydejager has applied for an account. http://interfree.ca/blindetext/admin/user/edit/124 _______________________________________________ Support mailing list Support at interfree.ca http://interfree.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Rejean Proulx Visit my family at http://interfree.ca MSN is: rejp at rogers.com Ham License VA3REJ ----- Original Message ----- From: < support-owner at interfree.ca> To: < support-owner at interfree.ca> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 2:26 PM Subject: Support post from nobody at interfree.ca requires approval > As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the > following mailing list posting: > > List: Support at interfree.ca > From: nobody at interfree.ca > Subject: =?UTF-8?B?QWNjb3VudCBkZXRhaWxzIGZvciBncmVnb3J5ZGVqYWdlciBhdCBibGluZGV0?= =?UTF-8?B?ZXh0IChwZW5kaW5nIGFkbWluIGFwcHJvdmFsKQ==?= > Reason: Message has implicit destination > > At your convenience, visit: > > http://interfree.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/support > > to approve or deny the request. > Rejean Proulx Visit my family at http://interfree.ca MSN is: rejp at rogers.com Ham License VA3REJ Rejean Proulx Visit my family at http://interfree.ca MSN is: rejp at rogers.com Ham License VA3REJ Rejean Proulx Visit my family at http://interfree.ca MSN is: rejp at rogers.com Ham License VA3REJ From raul at asmodean.net Fri Nov 14 23:35:55 2003 From: raul at asmodean.net (Raul G.) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:35:55 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] non member posting configuration Message-ID: <20031114223555.GD21292@asmodean.net> Hi. Using MailMan 2.12 which is the version my web host provider uses. I've set up a list which has 10 members however it appears anyone can post to the list. I've been reading the archives of this list and in those cases it says to go to privacy options and change the button which says members only. I do not have such buttons on my admin privacy page. The support person for my web host said to go to privacy and to sender options and I will find what I am looking for there. I've done this and left all fields blank and set the generic non-member posting to discard. I can still post to the list from a non-subscribed address. Where can I look to set this up correctly? Thanks. My goal is to only allow members to post to the list. -- Raul a. Gallegos - http://www.asmodean.net For the best 2 hours of 80's music on ACB Radio Interactive Saturdays 22 UTC, Visit http://www.chosen80s.com for all the details. From mmanel at w69.com Sat Nov 15 08:43:01 2003 From: mmanel at w69.com (mmanel at w69.com) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:43:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change listname / export & import users and configs Message-ID: <56E84C9C-173F-11D8-A395-000A27AC3B56@w69.com> I have a mailing list whose address is common enough to be hit by spammers using blind guesses of common addresses. I've got over 90 messages waiting for approval, and all of them are viruses or advertisements from non-subscribers. It's driving me crazy. Is there a fast way to change the address of my mailing list in all the appropriate places mailman uses? If not, I'll have to delete and rebuild the mailing list under a new address. Is there a way I can export all the user configurations (digest vs normal etc) and import that into a new list with a new address? Thanks for any help in advance. From kcoskun at bilgi.edu.tr Sat Nov 15 11:38:35 2003 From: kcoskun at bilgi.edu.tr (Kaan) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:38:35 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML archives are not updating In-Reply-To: <3FB399F8.7080300@bilgi.edu.tr> References: <3FB399F8.7080300@bilgi.edu.tr> Message-ID: <3FB6022B.40206@bilgi.edu.tr> Hi, I have spotted the problem. It took a few days unfortunately. The problem was the permissions. When copying from the old server to the new server permission was changed. Since there was a command to check permissions I had the idea of a problem with in permissions very lately. May be this command may be modified to check archive folders also. And I could not find any error messages in the mailman log messages. Best Wishes, Kaan Coskun Kaan wrote: > Hi, > > I am updating to mailman 2.1.3 from 2.0.13. I have copied the list files > and archive files to the new machine which mailman 2.1.3 is set up. Mail > list is functioning. I am sending and receiving mail over this mail > list. And maillist.mbox files is been updated. But HTML archives are not > updated. How can I check what is missing. > > As far as I know HTML archive updating is done by qrunner. May be some > info about this may also help. > > Best regards, > > Kaan Coskun From silvio at centroin.com.br Sat Nov 15 13:57:31 2003 From: silvio at centroin.com.br (Sylvio de Oliveira) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:57:31 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] just receive Message-ID: <00e301c3ab78$08ad34a0$7d00a8c0@mshome.net> Hi I want the members of my list just receive e-mails, and not send. How I can do this. thanks silvio From alessio at albourne.com Sat Nov 15 14:22:28 2003 From: alessio at albourne.com (Alessio Bragadini) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:22:28 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] just receive In-Reply-To: <00e301c3ab78$08ad34a0$7d00a8c0@mshome.net> References: <00e301c3ab78$08ad34a0$7d00a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <1068902548.3616.203.camel@musa> On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 14:57, Sylvio de Oliveira wrote: > I want the members of my list just receive e-mails, and not send. How I can do this. Which version of Mailman are you running? -- Alessio Bragadini APL Financial Services (Overseas) Limited From alessio at albourne.com Sat Nov 15 14:43:29 2003 From: alessio at albourne.com (Alessio Bragadini) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:43:29 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] just receive In-Reply-To: <005b01c3ab7c$232dbbc0$7d00a8c0@mshome.net> References: <00e301c3ab78$08ad34a0$7d00a8c0@mshome.net> <1068902548.3616.203.camel@musa> <005b01c3ab7c$232dbbc0$7d00a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <1068903809.3616.213.camel@musa> On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 15:26, Sylvio de Oliveira wrote: > version 2.1.2 > > > I want the members of my list just receive e-mails, and not send. How I > can do this. > > > > Which version of Mailman are you running? Go to Privacy Options -> Sender filters By default, should new list member postings be moderated? YES Go to Membership Management -> Membership List (at the bottom) Set everyone's moderation bit, including those members not currently visible ON and press Set -- Alessio Bragadini APL Financial Services (Overseas) Limited From pmacedo at dcc.ufmg.br Sat Nov 15 16:26:41 2003 From: pmacedo at dcc.ufmg.br (Pedro Fernandes Macedo) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:26:41 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: [Mailman] Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/senddigests] Message-ID: <3FB645B1.2030308@dcc.ufmg.br> Hello folks, We've been running a mailman list server for 3 months now (just got rid of postmaster) and this error happens every day... I did a grep on my lists to find where are the "X-UNKNOWN" parameters and here's what I get: /digest.mbox: name*="X-UNKNOWN''filename.doc" /digest.mbox: filename*="X-UNKNOWN''filename.doc" /digest.mbox:Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN /digest.mbox:Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN mailman/digest.mbox:LookupError: unknown encoding: X-UNKNOWN mailman/digest.mbox:LookupError: unknown encoding: X-UNKNOWN mailman/digest.mbox:LookupError: unknown encoding: X-UNKNOWN mailman/digest.mbox:LookupError: unknown encoding: X-UNKNOWN mailman/digest.mbox:LookupError: unknown encoding: X-UNKNOWN mailman/digest.mbox:LookupError: unknown encoding: X-UNKNOWN mailman/digest.mbox:LookupError: unknown encoding: X-UNKNOWN mailman/digest.mbox:LookupError: unknown encoding: X-UNKNOWN mailman/digest.mbox:LookupError: unknown encoding: X-UNKNOWN mailman/digest.mbox:LookupError: unknown encoding: X-UNKNOWN mailman/digest.mbox:LookupError: unknown encoding: X-UNKNOWN mailman/digest.mbox:LookupError: unknown encoding: X-UNKNOWN mailman/digest.mbox:LookupError: unknown encoding: X-UNKNOWN /digest.mbox:Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN /digest.mbox:Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN /digest.mbox:Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN The version we have installed is the mailman-2.1.1-4 rpm on a Redhat 9 system. Any ideas on how to fix this , because our users arent receiving any digests at all... Thx, Pedro Macedo From brhamm at bbfi.net Sat Nov 15 17:15:32 2003 From: brhamm at bbfi.net (Billy Hamm) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:15:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Plesk 6.0 on Red Hat Linux 9.0 References: <3FB645B1.2030308@dcc.ufmg.br> Message-ID: <024501c3ab93$b1f37310$6400a8c0@STUDY> We run a server with RHL 9.0, Plesk 6.0 and Mailman 2.1. Plesk controls the server and will overwrite changes made in command line edits so we're required to run Mailman via Plesk.We want to migrate several lists from Yahoo! Groups to Mailman. We tried a test ML but have not had success. Any suggestions? Bill From silvio at centroin.com.br Sat Nov 15 23:17:18 2003 From: silvio at centroin.com.br (Sylvio de Oliveira) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:17:18 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <004301c3abc6$3bdb2dc0$7d00a8c0@mshome.net> hi i will use mass subscription, and include hundred of e-mails. I would like to be warned about the e-mails non delivery. is it possible? how? thanks From pmacedo at dcc.ufmg.br Sat Nov 15 23:26:34 2003 From: pmacedo at dcc.ufmg.br (Pedro Fernandes Macedo) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:26:34 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring mailman on a dedicated server Message-ID: <3FB6A81A.304@dcc.ufmg.br> Hello fellow admins, Currently we have in our college a mail server running mailman , sendmail , imap , webmail and spamassassin... We are trying to split these services in two machines , leaving spamassassin and incoming mail in one machine , to reduce the load on this machine (its load is between 3 and 14 during the day)... So , I need to know what are the necessary configurations I have to do in mailman to use it in a machine that has a local sendmail , relaying all mail to my primary mailserver? Thx. Pedro Macedo From Lena at lena.kiev.ua Sun Nov 16 00:35:15 2003 From: Lena at lena.kiev.ua (Lena at lena.kiev.ua) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:35:15 +0200 (EET) Subject: Formatting (was: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)) Message-ID: > From: Bob Bowers > I am having a formatting problem. The word "Blank" is being inserted in the > beginning of messages. > Example: > To: > Cc: > From: Members at cbatucson.org > Subject: [CBAMembers MailList] Next Week's Breakfast > > BlankAttention ALL current and past CBA Members: Your list is configured to filter content, it includes stripping HTML along with attachments. Micr0$oft's MUAs (including Outlook Express) by default send messages in two parts: plain text and HTML. The sender uses a template called "blank" containing a background and perhaps default font. Plain text part contains that word "Blank". When such letter is sent privately, recipient's Micr0$oft's MUA uses HTML part, so the blank itself (including background) is visible instead of the word "Blank". One more Micr0$oft's ploy to make incompatibilities with software made by other companies. When such letter is sent to list, Mailman removes second alternative part (HTML) and passes through the first part (plain text with the word "Blank" at the beginning). The best IMNSHO solution: tell everybody who sends messages to the list to send messages in plain text instead of HTML. How to: http://www.expita.com/nomime.html From Lena at lena.kiev.ua Sun Nov 16 00:35:16 2003 From: Lena at lena.kiev.ua (Lena at lena.kiev.ua) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:35:16 +0200 (EET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I fix the archive download problem? Message-ID: > From: "Anders Norrbring" > When I click the link in IExplorer, the .mbox file opens as text in the > window instead of initiating a download.. Right-click that link instead of left-click and choose the line beginning from the word "Save". From anders at norrbring.biz Sun Nov 16 00:42:09 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:42:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I fix the archive download problem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200311152331.hAFNVVYi015471@ormen1.basenet.levonline.com> -> > When I click the link in IExplorer, the .mbox file opens as text in the -> > window instead of initiating a download.. -> -> Right-click that link instead of left-click -> and choose the line beginning from the word "Save". Oh well, I know that, but most of the users don't. And I also know that there is a fix for it. Anders. From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sun Nov 16 08:48:37 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 07:48:37 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I fix the archive download problem? In-Reply-To: <200311152331.hAFNVVYi015471@ormen1.basenet.levonline.com> Message-ID: <495CD5A0-1809-11D8-8E7A-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On Saturday, November 15, 2003, at 11:42 pm, Anders Norrbring wrote: > -> > When I click the link in IExplorer, the .mbox file opens as text > in the > -> > window instead of initiating a download.. This is probably because your web server returns the content type of the period archived mail files as text/plain because the suffix of these files it .txt; they are plain text files and so this is reasonable. And your browser, eager to please, is happily displaying the downloaded text for you rather than offering to save it. If nightly_gzip has gzip'ed your archived mail files and the file names end in .txt.gz then your server will probably report the content type as application/x-gzip or some such, unless server is setup to auto-inflate gzip'ed text files, and the browser will probably offer to save the file. If you want .txt files reported as some mime type other than text/plain you first have to decide what that is. How to get this different content type reported is a bit trickier and will depend to some extent on whether these are public archives being server just by Apache via the /pipermail/ URI path or private archives being served by the Mailman private.py CGI script via the /mailman/private/ URI path. > -> > -> Right-click that link instead of left-click > -> and choose the line beginning from the word "Save". > > Oh well, I know that, but most of the users don't. And I also know > that > there is a fix for it. > > Anders. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From sscott at invatron.com Fri Nov 14 19:53:15 2003 From: sscott at invatron.com (sscott at invatron.com) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:53:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on SignUp via HTML Message-ID: I can not find in the documentation how to add the HTML code to my website to allow a user to fill in the request via my web site to join the mailing list as opposed to having to connect via the Mailman site. Is there a spot I can find some example code to allow this? Steven Scott Sr. Systems Analyst Phone: (905) 282-1290 ext. 240 Fax: (905) 282-1266 sscott at invatron.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rejp at rogers.com Fri Nov 14 20:42:45 2003 From: rejp at rogers.com (Rejean Proulx) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:42:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question About Implicit Addresses Message-ID: <011601c3aae7$7a27c5a0$6901a8c0@ism.can.ibm.com> I don't understand why NMailman rejects these notes. I don't want to have to approve them as administrator all the time? How do I fix this? Here is the note that vet rejected. I had to approve it in order to receive it Return-path: Envelope-to: rejean at interfree.ca Delivery-date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:29:53 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=.interfree.ca ident=list) by .interfree.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AKjdg-0000RY-00; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:29:52 -0500 Received: from www-data by .interfree.ca with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AKjaf-0000Qy-00 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:26:45 -0500 To: nobody at interfree.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8Bit From: nobody at interfree.ca X-Mailer: Drupal Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:26:45 -0500 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:29:50 -0500 Cc: Subject: [Support] Account details for gregorydejager at blindetext (pending admin approval) X-BeenThere: support at interfree.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: nobody at interfree.ca List-Id: Blindetext Support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: support-bounces at interfree.ca Errors-To: support-bounces at interfree.ca gregorydejager has applied for an account. http://interfree.ca/blindetext/admin/user/edit/124 _______________________________________________ Support mailing list Support at interfree.ca http://interfree.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Rejean Proulx Visit my family at http://interfree.ca MSN is: rejp at rogers.com Ham License VA3REJ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 2:26 PM Subject: Support post from nobody at interfree.ca requires approval > As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the > following mailing list posting: > > List: Support at interfree.ca > From: nobody at interfree.ca > Subject: =?UTF-8?B?QWNjb3VudCBkZXRhaWxzIGZvciBncmVnb3J5ZGVqYWdlciBhdCBibGluZGV0?= =?UTF-8?B?ZXh0IChwZW5kaW5nIGFkbWluIGFwcHJvdmFsKQ==?= > Reason: Message has implicit destination > > At your convenience, visit: > > http://interfree.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/support > > to approve or deny the request. > From rejp at rogers.com Fri Nov 14 21:43:29 2003 From: rejp at rogers.com (Rejean Proulx) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:43:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Addresses Message-ID: <012c01c3aaef$f6695630$6901a8c0@ism.can.ibm.com> I don't understand why Mailman rejects these notes. I don't want to have to approve them as administrator all the time? How do I fix this? Here is the note that vet rejected. I had to approve it in order to receive it Return-path: < support-bounces at interfree.ca> Envelope-to: rejean at interfree.ca Delivery-date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:29:53 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=.interfree.ca ident=list) by .interfree.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AKjdg-0000RY-00; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:29:52 -0500 Received: from www-data by .interfree.ca with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AKjaf-0000Qy-00 for < nobody at interfree.ca> ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:26:45 -0500 To: nobody at interfree.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8Bit From: nobody at interfree.ca X-Mailer: Drupal Message-Id: < E1AKjaf-0000Qy-00 at .interfree.ca> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:26:45 -0500 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:29:50 -0500 Cc: Subject: [Support] Account details for gregorydejager at blindetext (pending admin approval) X-BeenThere: support at interfree.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: nobody at interfree.ca List-Id: Blindetext Support List-Unsubscribe: < http://interfree.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support>, mailto:support-request at interfree.ca?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: < http://interfree.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/private/support> List-Post: < mailto:support at interfree.ca> List-Help: < mailto:support-request at interfree.ca?subject=help> List-Subscribe: < http://interfree.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support>, mailto:support-request at interfree.ca?subject=subscribe> Sender: support-bounces at interfree.ca Errors-To: support-bounces at interfree.ca gregorydejager has applied for an account. http://interfree.ca/blindetext/admin/user/edit/124 _______________________________________________ Support mailing list Support at interfree.ca http://interfree.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Rejean Proulx Visit my family at http://interfree.ca MSN is: rejp at rogers.com Ham License VA3REJ ----- Original Message ----- From: < support-owner at interfree.ca> To: < support-owner at interfree.ca> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 2:26 PM Subject: Support post from nobody at interfree.ca requires approval > As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the > following mailing list posting: > > List: Support at interfree.ca > From: nobody at interfree.ca > Subject: =?UTF-8?B?QWNjb3VudCBkZXRhaWxzIGZvciBncmVnb3J5ZGVqYWdlciBhdCBibGluZGV0?= =?UTF-8?B?ZXh0IChwZW5kaW5nIGFkbWluIGFwcHJvdmFsKQ==?= > Reason: Message has implicit destination > > At your convenience, visit: > > http://interfree.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/support > > to approve or deny the request. > Rejean Proulx Visit my family at http://interfree.ca MSN is: rejp at rogers.com Ham License VA3REJ From pina at riviera.jp Sun Nov 16 10:06:30 2003 From: pina at riviera.jp (pina at riviera.jp) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:06:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman lists do not receive emails Message-ID: <4353.219.47.196.26.1068973590.squirrel@mail.zoper.com> I installed mailman in my user directory (I do not have root privileges). After the installation, I can create new mailing lists and administer them through the web interface at http://mydomain/mailman/admin/ . Actually, after creating a mailing list with prefix/bin/newlist, I get an email at the list owner's email address. However, when I send an email to the list, i.e. test at mydomain, the email does not reach the mailing list "test", but it gets to my catch-all address (webmaster at mydomain). I suppose the problem lies in getting qmail redirecting the emails to mailman, but after reading several times qmail's instructions ("life with qmail") and mailman's installation instructions, I can't get mailman to receive any email. I tried creating some .qmail files in my account, but it did not work. Additionally, I tried to run newaliases, but I got "Permission denied" message. I would really appreciate any help. My installation is as follows: - Mailman version: 2.1.3 - how it was installed: from source - OS: FreeBSD 5.0-Release-p12 - MTA: Qmail I installed mailman with the options: --prefix=/home/username/mailman --with-username=username --with-groupname=username --with-mail-gid=qmail where "username" is my ssh account name. Thanks, Kelwin Pina pina at riviera.jp From janefruendt at cox.net Sat Nov 15 15:51:45 2003 From: janefruendt at cox.net (ICAN Webmaster) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:51:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: All HTML is gone Message-ID: <005501c3ab88$00577760$6400a8c0@Laptop> I run a very small list (12 members). In the last month or so, every single post arrives in plain text for everyone. No one is set to receive plain text, and nearly everyone on the list posts in HTML, but it never comes through in HTML. How can I fix this? Thanks. Jane From wasted1 at rolltidefan.net Sun Nov 16 16:48:14 2003 From: wasted1 at rolltidefan.net (Wasted One) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:48:14 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: All HTML is gone In-Reply-To: <005501c3ab88$00577760$6400a8c0@Laptop> Message-ID: <015001c3ac59$0c3a73d0$96661942@Office> I wish I could accomplish what you are doing. I want all messages in plain text (html-stripped) but can not find a setting for this. -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+wasted1=rolltidefan.net at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+wasted1=rolltidefan.net at python.org] On Behalf Of ICAN Webmaster Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 8:52 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: All HTML is gone I run a very small list (12 members). In the last month or so, every single post arrives in plain text for everyone. No one is set to receive plain text, and nearly everyone on the list posts in HTML, but it never comes through in HTML. How can I fix this? Thanks. From anders at norrbring.biz Sun Nov 16 19:17:21 2003 From: anders at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:17:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change an address... Message-ID: <200311161806.hAGI6nuU021437@ormen2.basenet.levonline.com> Is there any way to change the mail address in the line; "If you are having trouble using the lists, please contact mailman at the-server.net." presented on the first listinfo page? The mailman address goes to the service list, which of course is blocked for non-registered users of that list. So, how can I change the "contact" address shown above? Later, Anders Norrbring From paul at thcwd.com Sun Nov 16 20:48:48 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:48:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Question About Implicit Addresses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116134153.01f29640@mail.thcwd.com> Rejean Proulx wrote: >I don't understand why NMailman rejects these notes. I don't want to have >to approve them as administrator all the time? How do I fix this? Here is >the note that vet rejected. I had to approve it in order to receive it You have now asked this AT LEAST four times/ Aside from the fact it's in the documentation and the FAQ, someone answered you the first time. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.009.htp . Either put the list name in the "To:" or "Cc:" header, or go to Privacy Options/Recipient filters and set the first section to "No". <>< Paul From paul at thcwd.com Sun Nov 16 21:36:50 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:36:50 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Question on SignUp via HTML In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116134139.01f298c0@mail.thcwd.com> scott wrote: > I can not find in the documentation how to add the HTML code to my >website to allow a user to fill in the request via my web site to join the >mailing list as opposed to having to connect via the Mailman site. Is >there a spot I can find some example code to allow this? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.33 <>< Paul From michele at blacknightsolutions.com Mon Nov 17 00:35:33 2003 From: michele at blacknightsolutions.com (Michele Neylon :: Blacknight Solutions) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:35:33 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question Message-ID: Hi all I've managed to install mailman and get it running with a couple of test lists, but for some reason the list name is not being prepended in the email subject lines. (Am I missing something really simple?) Any ideas? Thanks M Mr. Michele Neylon Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd http://www.blacknightsolutions.ie/ http://www.search.ie/ Tel. + 353 (0)59 9139897 ######################################################### This message (and any attachment) is intended only for the recipient and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and delete this message immediately. Disclosure, copying or other action taken in respect of this email or in reliance to it is prohibited. From paul at thcwd.com Mon Nov 17 01:15:15 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:15:15 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Question on SignUp via HTML In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031116181205.08b42f40@mail.thcwd.com> Steven Scott wrote: > I actually tried to use this, but when I changed and used my > domain and list, the POST action did not do anything. Could this be a > result that the List is provided via cPanel? I can not seem to get much > information from their site about the lists. I know cPanel takes some liberties, and violates open source by not documenting them, so this may be the case. If you want to look at a live test version, which is the html pasted into one of my basic templates, check http://www.thcwd.com/mmsub.shtml . All I chanced was the server and list name. <>< Paul From silvio at centroin.com.br Mon Nov 17 11:18:17 2003 From: silvio at centroin.com.br (Sylvio de Oliveira) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:18:17 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] urgent Message-ID: <006301c3acf4$1eaa97c0$7d00a8c0@mshome.net> hi i put my password on administrative and I just get "page not found" can you help me? thanks From silvio at centroin.com.br Mon Nov 17 11:24:43 2003 From: silvio at centroin.com.br (Sylvio de Oliveira) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:24:43 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] urgent Message-ID: <008c01c3acf5$048e3760$7d00a8c0@mshome.net> hi i put my password on administrative and I just get "page not found" can you help me? thanks From Dieter.Ripp at gmx.de Mon Nov 17 11:52:36 2003 From: Dieter.Ripp at gmx.de (Dieter Ripp) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:52:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscribtion Message-ID: Hi all. how can I mass subscribe the member email address and the member name at the same time. Thanks Dieter Ripp From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Nov 17 13:14:58 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:14:58 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscribtion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 10:52 am, Dieter Ripp wrote: > > > Hi all. > > how can I mass subscribe the member email address and the member name > at the same time. > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg20052.html > Thanks > > Dieter Ripp > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From tvn at ajile.com Mon Nov 17 20:53:28 2003 From: tvn at ajile.com (Thanh Nguyen) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:53:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] KNOWN_SPAMMERS doesn't have any effect Message-ID: <3FB92738.8000302@ajile.com> I am using Mailman 2.1.3 and have set up Spam Assassin to flag spam mail with header "X-Spam-Flag: YES". I tried to follow Todd's message in http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-October/031975.html and have added this line KNOWN_SPAMMERS = [('X-Spam-Flag','YES')] to the mm_cfg.py in the hope that these messages would be discarded. However, I don't see any changes in the behavior nor any mailman error reports on the effects of this setting. The spam messages with the header indicated about still go through without any effect. Is there something else that I should do to automatically discard flagged messages? Thanks. thanh From wa9als at starband.net Mon Nov 17 21:06:47 2003 From: wa9als at starband.net (WA9ALS - John) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:06:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie install question Message-ID: <004f01c3ad46$5473ff70$125a0180@1umc> I installed the MailMail package on a Red Hat 8.0 system. I ran /var/mailman/bin/mmsitepass to set the admdinistrator password - no problem. I then could edit /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py to configure for my site. However, if I try to run /sbin/service mailman start as recommended, I get an error about service not being known. What am I missing and what do I need to do to get Mailman running? Tnx - John From jdecarlo at mitre.org Mon Nov 17 21:28:50 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:28:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] non member posting configuration In-Reply-To: <20031114223555.GD21292@asmodean.net> References: <20031114223555.GD21292@asmodean.net> Message-ID: <3FB92F82.7020102@mitre.org> Raul, Raul G. wrote: > The support person for my web host said to go to privacy and to > sender options and I will find what I am looking for there. I've done > this and left all fields blank and set the generic non-member posting to > discard. I can still post to the list from a non-subscribed address. > Where can I look to set this up correctly? > > Thanks. My goal is to only allow members to post to the list. Did you make sure to press the Submit Your Changes button on the web? If you log out and log back in again later, are the changes you made still showing up correctly? Do you have your own domain for the list from your web host or are you using theirs? In theory, what you did should be sufficient, so I am just guessing at where the problem may lie. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From gguerra at regiomedica.com Tue Nov 18 00:10:26 2003 From: gguerra at regiomedica.com (Guillermo Guerra) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:10:26 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help: messages recived like attachments Message-ID: I have used Mailman since two years ago, mailman its included with my hosting provider, since the last update of mailman version almost all mails of the list come with the message, footer and header as file attachments, one for each one, I can?t find a pattern of why in some cases they don?t come as attachments, does any one know why this happens. I have Mailman 2.1.3 Regards, Guillermo Guerra gguerra at regiomedica.com From merle.reine at lindows.com Tue Nov 18 02:13:03 2003 From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:13:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Graph for archives Message-ID: <3FB9721F.7070206@lindows.com> I have over 300 mailing lists and need a way to view a snapshot of each list on one page. I know I can go to https://mail.domain.com/mailman/private/listname to see archive stats for each list but has anyone thought of a way to view them all on one page to see what list is getting used and what one is not? Best scenario, graphical representation. Second best scenario, An html formatted page listing each list in a table with the corresponding month next to it along with archive size or better yet, # of messages in each archive for the months listed. I would be willing to help anyone write this via php if anyone else sees a need for this. From mmlist at mikephillips.com Tue Nov 18 03:10:11 2003 From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:10:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Closed List Message-ID: <3FB97F83.177@mikephillips.com> How do I make a closed or private list with 2.1.2 such that 1) only the admin can add new list members, and 2) the list members can still unsubscribe themselves? From paul at thcwd.com Tue Nov 18 05:17:15 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:17:15 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] It's Yahoo's fault Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031117221059.08b51750@mail.themarriagebed.com> A while back I mentioned that some of my digests are getting posts which have a second post, including full headers, tacked onto them. I have now tracked this to the way Yahoo is sending two part mail. Each of the examples below is of a Yahoo message as it appeared in the preview screen for pending messages. The opening
is backed up to the end of the plain text without so much as a space. I am stripping html from my list, and the html is removed, but in the digest mbox this results in the next message starting where the tag opener for the div is. Then when the digest is send, that second message is appended to the first, with headers and all. There is no problem in the archives, I assume because a break is entered after each message. Any idea on how to hack mailman to deal with this Yahoo blunder is appreciated. --------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard
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Question 1. -------- <>< Paul From warrenw at xmission.com Tue Nov 18 18:01:42 2003 From: warrenw at xmission.com (Warren Woodward) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:01:42 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forcing "Invite" only? Message-ID: <20031118170142.GA1801@xmission.com> Our Mailman server is currently hosting somewhere ~300 lists (we provide this service free to our subscribers). We're having continued (and increasing) problems with our list admins adding slews of people to announce-only lists who are then surprised when announce posts arrive. Ninety nine times out of a hundred, they turn out to be completely legitimate subscriptions and the subscribers are just a little too quick on the spam button. However, these complaints still cause headaches all around, and we've been toying with ways to stay the tide. We've instituted a system-wide policy of requiring hard copies of the original subscription requests so the complaints can be disproven, but its not quite enough. What I'm interested in doing now is eliminating the "Subscribe" option completely on the "Mass Subscription" page and forcing the list admins to use "Invite" only. I'm simply wondering if anyone else has approached this idea and has any suggestions as to the easiest way to accomplish this on 300 existing lists. Also, there doesn't seem to be an invite tag on add_members. Often we have new lists migrate from elsewhere to take advantage of the ease of Mailman, and we like to offer an on-server upload of addresses to save resources and generally because its easier for admins of new, large lists. Do I have to eliminate this policy completely, or have I (likely) missed a CLI option somewhere? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. I'm sic'ing my webmaster on the code in the meantime. -- warren woodward XMission DSL Domo/Mailman warrenw at xmission.com (801) 303-0819 (877) XMISSION "I hold a beast, an angel and a madman in me." Dylan Thomas From adam at musichqmedia.com Mon Nov 17 20:12:24 2003 From: adam at musichqmedia.com (Adam Giddens) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:12:24 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Address within Footer Message-ID: Hi, I have just turned on VERP - could anyone tell me the text i need to include so the recipient is displayed? Thanks, Adam From john at wa9als.com Mon Nov 17 21:04:25 2003 From: john at wa9als.com (WA9ALS - John) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:04:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie install question Message-ID: <003301c3ad46$03060cf0$125a0180@1umc> I installed the MailMail package on a Red Hat 8.0 system. I ran /var/mailman/bin/mmsitepass to set the admdinistrator password - no problem. I then could edit /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py to configure for my site. However, if I try to run /sbin/service mailman start as recommended, I get an error about service not being known. What am I missing and what do I need to do to get Mailman running? Tnx - John From mcp6453 at bellsouth.net Tue Nov 18 01:32:17 2003 From: mcp6453 at bellsouth.net (mcp6453) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:32:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Closed List Message-ID: <3FB96891.386C@bellsouth.net> How do I configure 2.1.2 to be a closed list such that subscribers can only be added by the administrator, yet subscribers and UN-subscribe themselves? From vanessa at oss.com Tue Nov 18 18:41:19 2003 From: vanessa at oss.com (Vanessa Vaz) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:41:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Viewing Majordomo archives with Mailman Message-ID: <00c501c3adfb$2d3c02d0$9301a8c0@ZODIAC> Hi, Is it possible to view Majordomo lists and archives using Mailman? Thanks, Vanessa Vaz OSS Nokalva, Inc. www.oss.com Tel: 732-302-9669 ext. 112 Fax: 732-302-0023 From embrey at hood.edu Tue Nov 18 20:06:24 2003 From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:06:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with subject lines Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031118135813.04336de0@hermes.hood.edu> Mailman List: I have a problem where a list places this tag at the beginning of the subject line [Powerful_Users] followed by a subject which contains text amounting to one word 11characters long followed by 2 words of 6 characters and the then by 1 word containing 11 characters. I would think that if this subject line was too long it would place a portion of the words on the first line and then wrap the remaining ones on the second line. What actually happens is [Powerful_Users] appears on the first line and lots of white space and the subject is bumped down to the 2nd line. Is there a way to correct this? Bruce Embrey running RHLinux 9 / Mailman 2.1.3 From rjohnson at espgroup.net Tue Nov 18 20:26:08 2003 From: rjohnson at espgroup.net (Ryan Johnson) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:26:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List migration to new machine Message-ID: I looked for the solution to this in the archives, but could find a solution. My problem is I would like to move my existing list to another machine. I am going to keep the same directory structure, just upgrade mailman and htdig on the new box. What files do I need to move over to the new box? I know the listname.mbox, but what about all the user preferences? I am assuming the names of the users and their preferences are stored in a file and can simply be moved to another mailman install. I hope I have explained my problem well, thank you in advance. Ryan Ryan Johnson Security Architect ESP Group From merle.reine at lindows.com Tue Nov 18 21:10:59 2003 From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:10:59 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Graph for archives In-Reply-To: <16.382dfca8.2ceaedff@aol.com> References: <16.382dfca8.2ceaedff@aol.com> Message-ID: <3FBA7CD3.4020803@lindows.com> I have the php page to do this. I have two drop down lists. One shows all the email addresses of people on all the lists. So a user can view what lists he/she is on and then the other drop down is the list of lists. Select the mailing list you want and it shows what email addresses are on the list. I also have the number of list users labeled in the drop down. It will require you to install php but other than that, it will work. I run a cron every 5 minutes so that the list is always updated. Or you can run the script the cron runs every time the page is accessed (you would need to change the page and uncomment the line: " // `/usr/lib/mailman/bin/find_member_html ^.* > /srv/www/htdocs/lists.txt`; " . Attached is the script the cron runs, the cron, the script to list users and lists and the php page. Let me know if you have any trouble. I put update_list.sh and find_member_html in /usr/lib/mailman/bin/ and the mailman_lists2468.php page in /srv/www/(some created directory) . You will need to edit your httpd.conf file for this directory to be viewable. The script runs the /usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists command and outputs the lists and email addresses to a text file. The php page parses the text file and makes it searchable. I am also working on an easier admin page for mailman. I modified the newlist script to have more secure defaults when creating a list and the new admin page has a text field to enter one or many email addresses. A drop down lists all current email addresses subscribed to all lists or a drop down that lists all lists. Selecting a user brings up all the lists available and a check box next to each with subscribe/unsubscribe (if already subscribed then the subscribe box is grayed out and same with if they are not a member then the unsubscribe is grayed out.) There is a text field to put the name of a new list and it already has the default listadmin, etc. (which you can change). AllKnightAccess at aol.com wrote: >I'm seeking a page where the number of active subscribers are shown next to >the list name. > >In a message dated 11/17/03 8:15:05 PM, merle.reine at lindows.com writes: > ><< I have over 300 mailing lists and need a way to view a snapshot of each > >list on one page. > > >I know I can go to https://mail.domain.com/mailman/private/listname to > >see archive stats for each list but has anyone thought of a way to view > >them all on one page to see what list is getting used and what one is > >not? Best scenario, graphical representation. > > >Second best scenario, > >An html formatted page listing each list in a table with the > >corresponding month next to it along with archive size or better yet, # > >of messages in each archive for the months listed. > > >I would be willing to help anyone write this via php if anyone else sees > >a need for this. >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: cron Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031118/cddbe2cf/attachment.pot -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: find_member_html Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031118/cddbe2cf/attachment.asc From kcoskun at bilgi.edu.tr Wed Nov 19 08:22:02 2003 From: kcoskun at bilgi.edu.tr (Kaan) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:22:02 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List migration to new machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FBB1A1A.5020404@bilgi.edu.tr> There is an upgrade documentation coming with the latest mailman version. It is very helpfull while imigrating to a new version. Basicaly you copy two directories, ./list and ./archive. Good Luck, Kaan Coskun Ryan Johnson wrote: > I looked for the solution to this in the archives, but could find a solution. My problem is I would like to move my existing list to another machine. I am going to keep the same directory structure, just upgrade mailman and htdig on the new box. What files do I need to move over to the new box? I know the listname.mbox, but what about all the user preferences? I am assuming the names of the users and their preferences are stored in a file and can simply be moved to another mailman install. > > I hope I have explained my problem well, thank you in advance. > > Ryan > > > > Ryan Johnson > Security Architect > ESP Group > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: kcoskun at bilgi.edu.tr > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/kcoskun%40bilgi.edu.tr From rjgoyette at anl.gov Wed Nov 19 18:08:53 2003 From: rjgoyette at anl.gov (Rick Goyette) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:08:53 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still trying to change the bounce messsage Message-ID: I am still trying to figure out how to change the default bounce message. Anyone got any advise? -- R. J. Goyette Argonne National Laboratory rjgoyette at anl.gov (630) 252-4328 http://www.pns.anl.gov From jesse at skybuilders.com Wed Nov 19 18:19:46 2003 From: jesse at skybuilders.com (Jesse Burkhardt) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:19:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Doc Request Message-ID: <3FBBA632.8080102@skybuilders.com> Hi Folks, I have just joined this list. I am quite frustrated in my search for documentation concerning Mailman installation: specifically how Apache web interfaces should be configured as well how the Sendmail config should be tweaked as an MTA. (I am sure there will be other issues to cover, such as employing multiple mail domains, etc.) So, if any of you are in possession of installation documentation please send me your links and docs. Much Thanks. -- Jesse Burkhardt, Cambridge MA jesse at skybuilders.com (w) 617-876-5680 goose at aerogoose.com (h) 617-354-5523 From clydec at geocities.com Wed Nov 19 18:42:28 2003 From: clydec at geocities.com (Clyde Jones) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:42:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejecting posts based on subject line In-Reply-To: <90D8F170-1AB7-11D8-9236-0050E4F93017@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi I would like to configure mailman to reject posts that have the digest name as the subject line. I see where I can configure a spam filter in privacy options > spam filters, but I would like to have a specific response for that particular subject. Is there someplace else I should configure the filter? -- Time flies like an arrow but fruit flies like a Banana. - Groucho Marx Clyde Jones, Baltimore MD http://www.clydec.net From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Nov 19 18:48:49 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:48:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] KNOWN_SPAMMERS doesn't have any effect In-Reply-To: <3FB92738.8000302@ajile.com> References: <3FB92738.8000302@ajile.com> Message-ID: <20031119174849.GP2011@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanh Nguyen wrote: > I am using Mailman 2.1.3 and have set up Spam Assassin to flag spam > mail with header "X-Spam-Flag: YES". > > I tried to follow Todd's message in > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-October/031975.html > > and have added this line > > KNOWN_SPAMMERS = [('X-Spam-Flag','YES')] > > to the mm_cfg.py in the hope that these messages would be discarded. > However, I don't see any changes in the behavior nor any mailman > error reports on the effects of this setting. The spam messages with > the header indicated about still go through without any effect. Is > there something else that I should do to automatically discard flagged > messages? Just a guess, but did you restart the qrunners after you added this to mm_cfg.py? - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== If corn oil is made from corn, and vegetable oil is made from vegetables, then what is baby oil made from? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/u60Buv+09NZUB1oRAjZVAKCGo4Bx+sZCQG8N45R98Hh7dRw1FwCfRt+k jY7MQNmQPfbXJQUiHQicUys= =jl5V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kronos49 at ucla.edu Wed Nov 19 21:36:52 2003 From: kronos49 at ucla.edu (Hubert Ho) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:36:52 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question regarding Mailman commands via email Message-ID: <1069274212.3fbbd464d6e79@mail.ucla.edu> Hello, We recently changed our mailing list software from Listsev to Mailman. Users of the old Listserv system could only send email commands to do administrative and subscription tasks. I know that Mailman has a limited set of commands. Are there plans to increase the number of commands? We've been getting complaints from users who still want to do tasks via email, as opposed to using the web interface. Will the commands currently available continue to be supported in future versions of mailman? Thanks. From tvn at ajile.com Thu Nov 20 02:02:15 2003 From: tvn at ajile.com (Thanh Nguyen) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:02:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] KNOWN_SPAMMERS doesn't have any effect Message-ID: <3FBC1297.7020504@ajile.com> Todd wrote: >Just a guess, but did you restart the qrunners after you added this to >mm_cfg.py? > In deed, you are right. After restarting qrunners, spam messages get automatically discarded. It works as advertised. I should have thought of that. Thank you very much. Regards. thanh From ruf at rawip.org Thu Nov 20 10:57:51 2003 From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:57:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Easiest way to have all admin-sites protected by https Message-ID: <20031120095751.GM9721@tik.ee.ethz.ch> Dear all, I run several mailing list on various virtual hosts with mailman 2.1.2 on a Linux 2.4 server. This works just great! (Thanks to the developers!). However, I would like to secure all administrative web-pages by https. Searching the web and has not really led me to an understanding on how to achieve this. I would be very happy if anyone could give me either pointers or concrete hints for this problems! Thanks in advance! wbr, Lukas PS: https for the VirtualHosts in my Apache works already fine. I tried to achieve this by inserting 'redirect permanent /mailman "https://.."' -- without the intended effect, however. -- Lukas Ruf | Wanna know anything about raw | | IP? -> | eMail Style Guide: | From wop at quicknet.nl Thu Nov 20 11:45:57 2003 From: wop at quicknet.nl (W. van Eis) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:45:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted headers in mail body References: <20031120095751.GM9721@tik.ee.ethz.ch> Message-ID: <009501c3af53$7ae721a0$6401a8c0@asusl5800c> HI, I'm new to this list. Hope you can help me out. I'm running a mail list through a ISP, so i'm not the owner of the server and don't have acces to the Mailman host. But i've the following question; Some of our users recieve mails with complete headers in the body and the original message is messed up. And there's now sender visable. Could anyone tell me how to solve this problem? I don't happens all the time on al the messages, but it's very irritating. Every help would be greatfull... Thanks in advance! Wop Running mailist on : www.verenigdestaten.info ( dutch site ) From lars.mehnen at tuwien.ac.at Thu Nov 20 11:48:23 2003 From: lars.mehnen at tuwien.ac.at (Lars Mehnen) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:48:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SuSE-imap-e Message-ID: <004b01c3af53$d5c91f60$1e4c8280@apnoe> I've installed a mailman 2.0.13 on a SuSE e-mail server 3.1, (because then I do not have to upgrade python) it nearly works all fine, but there are two problems. If subscribing to a mailing-list, the request-mail text is done perfectly, but the "from:" header is improper, that means the machine name is missing, only the "domain-name" is at the end. The re-mail cannot find its destination correctly. Another problem is, that only people from inside the domain are allowed to subscribe. Every request-mail from "outside" is being rejected. What can I do. -------------------------------------- Dr. tech. L. Mehnen University of Technology, Gusshausstr. 27-351, 1040 Vienna, Austria Institute of Fundamentals and Theory of Electrical Engineering, Bioelectricity and Magnetism Laboratory. e-mail: lars.mehnen at tuwien.ac.at lars.mehnen+e351 at tuwien.ac.at Tel: +43 / 1 / 58801 / 35122 Fax: +43 / 1 / 58801 / 35199 Room: CBO112 From debianlists at fdread.org Thu Nov 20 17:21:52 2003 From: debianlists at fdread.org (Robert Breithuber) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:21:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] attached "text.sxw" becomes "text.bin" in archives and digests, why? Message-ID: <200311201721.52232.debianlists@fdread.org> everytime an attachment becomes scrubbed, some document types get a new fileextension like .bin or .exe e.g. the attached file was text.sxw (staroffice-text-document): in archive and digests it gets scrubbed like this: Dateiname : plan.sxw Dateityp : application/vnd.sun.xml.writer Dateigr??e : 5449 bytes Beschreibung: nicht verf?gbar URL : https://.../pipermail/.../attachments/.../plan.bin why .bin? is this because the "scrubber" doesnt know what "application/vnd.sun.xml.writer" is ? why is the extension changed anyway? can i affect this behavior in any way? please help! greetings, robert -- _________________________________________ / If at first you don't succeed, you must \ \ be a programmer. / ----------------------------------------- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\_______ (__)\ )\/\ ||----w | || || From rjgoyette at anl.gov Thu Nov 20 17:36:07 2003 From: rjgoyette at anl.gov (Rick Goyette) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:36:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] password reminders are not reminding Message-ID: We have one list for which we have turned on password reminders, but the reminder email messages are never sent. Any Ideas? From jesse at skybuilders.com Thu Nov 20 20:12:50 2003 From: jesse at skybuilders.com (Jesse Burkhardt) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:12:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache config Message-ID: <3FBD1232.2070502@skybuilders.com> Hi Folks, I am still having problems with my first Mailman installation. I have a successful build of MM version 2.1.2. I have cofig'd a virtual host with the following httpd.conf entry: ServerName mailman.skybuilders.com DocumentRoot /usr/local/mailman/ ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ # Alias /images/ /usr/local/mailman/htdocs/images/ Options Indexes FollowSymLinks ServerAdmin jesse at skybuilders.com ServerSignature email DirectoryIndex index.php index.html index.shtml index.pl AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .php4 .php3 .phtml .html .xml .py AddHandler cgi-script cgi pl py I dropped a test page (index.html) at /usr/local/mailman/ to make sure the site resolves correctly. But when I browse to http://.../mailman/admin I get the "Mailman CGI error!!!" error page. I have set ownership down the /usr/local/mailman tree to be for apache:mailman. I have also run: ./configure --with-cgi-gid=apache, which hasn't help me sort out the permissions issue. Any suggestions? Thanks. -- Jesse Burkhardt, Cambridge MA jesse at skybuilders.com (w) 617-876-5680 goose at aerogoose.com (h) 617-354-5523 From mmlist at mikephillips.com Thu Nov 20 20:32:38 2003 From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:32:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Text for "To" Field Message-ID: The text for the "To" field on messages sent out by a list that I have using 2.1.2 is "An email list for XXX show preparation." I originally entered that information, but now I cannot find it. Where is that option configured? From dwu at stepup.ca Thu Nov 20 20:39:52 2003 From: dwu at stepup.ca (David Wu) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:39:52 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I set up unmoderated list Message-ID: <4F5493A5-1B91-11D8-BAB8-0003931741E0@stepup.ca> Hi guys, I am hoping someone out here can help me. I am using Mailman to set up a mailing list. It is not so much of a discussion list, so I guess I want it to be unmoderated. Otherwise, I would need to set each user on the list to the sender filter on their very first send to the list. Thnx! David From brett at cloud9.net Thu Nov 20 23:49:49 2003 From: brett at cloud9.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:49:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] dead in the water Message-ID: After less than 24 hours operation, ALL our list mail just goes into a black hole; postfix hands it off to mailman successfully and then it just disappears, save some messages show up in the archives. It was working great up until about 2pm and then just everything stopped- barely 12 hours worth. I saw some stuff in the archives about "shunt" problems, because we had one of those messages- but moving to 2.1.3(we had 2.1.3 installed) hasn't cleared out any messages and a new message disappeared as well. Nothing in logs/post(well, save a "post from" message sometimes, maybe all the time), qrunner, or error. qfiles/outgoing has 500+ files sitting in it; shunt has 6 or so, retry about 30 We've got well over a dozen lists and 3.5k subscribers- and have been down sinec about 2pm. Any help is greatly appreciated:-) Brett -- ---- "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin http://www.users.cloud9.net/~brett/ From dat at internode.com.au Fri Nov 21 00:00:07 2003 From: dat at internode.com.au (Dat Bui) Date: 21 Nov 2003 09:30:07 +1030 Subject: [Mailman-Users] dead in the water In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1069369207.1109.1184.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, the messages are most likely being queued up in the ~mailman/qfiles/out directory. try running like 5 outgoing qrunners and see if that helps. Dat On Fri, 2003-11-21 at 09:19, Brett Dikeman wrote: > After less than 24 hours operation, ALL our list mail just goes into > a black hole; postfix hands it off to mailman successfully and then > it just disappears, save some messages show up in the archives. > > It was working great up until about 2pm and then just everything > stopped- barely 12 hours worth. I saw some stuff in the archives > about "shunt" problems, because we had one of those messages- but > moving to 2.1.3(we had 2.1.3 installed) hasn't cleared out any > messages and a new message disappeared as well. Nothing in > logs/post(well, save a "post from" message sometimes, maybe all the > time), qrunner, or error. > > qfiles/outgoing has 500+ files sitting in it; shunt has 6 or so, retry about 30 > > We've got well over a dozen lists and 3.5k subscribers- and have been > down sinec about 2pm. Any help is greatly appreciated:-) > > Brett From brett at cloud9.net Fri Nov 21 00:09:40 2003 From: brett at cloud9.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:09:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] dead in the water In-Reply-To: <1069369207.1109.1184.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1069369207.1109.1184.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: At 9:30 AM +1030 11/21/03, Dat Bui wrote: >Hi, >the messages are most likely being queued up in the ~mailman/qfiles/out >directory. > >try running like 5 outgoing qrunners and see if that helps. Huh? -Nothing- is going out. Zip. Zilch. It's a P4 3ghz with 1GB of ram, a massive pipe...and load is 0 to 0.02. Mail was, and should be, absolutely flying out of it. I don't understand why 5 outgoing qrunners would do any better than one qrunner if the one qrunner is doing -nothing-. OK, I just got one of my test messages, albeit VERY late- over 40 minutes to get here, and it's one of maybe 4-5 test messages- none of them have shown up. I've seen this earlier today- sometimes a message just sits and sits and then randomly appears... Brett -- ---- "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin http://www.users.cloud9.net/~brett/ From brett at cloud9.net Fri Nov 21 00:18:09 2003 From: brett at cloud9.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:18:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] dead in the water In-Reply-To: <1069369207.1109.1184.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1069369207.1109.1184.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: At 9:30 AM +1030 11/21/03, Dat Bui wrote: >Hi, >the messages are most likely being queued up in the ~mailman/qfiles/out >directory. > >try running like 5 outgoing qrunners and see if that helps. I just shut down the qrunners(since I didn't understand the 'slice' business) and ran outgoing by hand, with -v. It ran for about 1 second and shut down, printed zip. qfiles/out is still the same size(actually, its growing slightly.) Exact syntax was: qrunner -o -v -r Outgoing Brett -- ---- "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin http://www.users.cloud9.net/~brett/ From dat at internode.com.au Fri Nov 21 00:52:32 2003 From: dat at internode.com.au (Dat Bui) Date: 21 Nov 2003 10:22:32 +1030 Subject: [Mailman-Users] dead in the water In-Reply-To: References: <1069369207.1109.1184.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1069372351.1109.1272.camel@localhost.localdomain> sorry, i should've said that this happens to me too. doesn't hurt to try editing your Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py and try upping the outgoing qrunners :) stop then start the mailmanctl hope it helps. Dat On Fri, 2003-11-21 at 09:39, Brett Dikeman wrote: > At 9:30 AM +1030 11/21/03, Dat Bui wrote: > >Hi, > >the messages are most likely being queued up in the ~mailman/qfiles/out > >directory. > > > >try running like 5 outgoing qrunners and see if that helps. > > Huh? -Nothing- is going out. Zip. Zilch. It's a P4 3ghz with 1GB > of ram, a massive pipe...and load is 0 to 0.02. Mail was, and should > be, absolutely flying out of it. I don't understand why 5 outgoing > qrunners would do any better than one qrunner if the one qrunner is > doing -nothing-. > > OK, I just got one of my test messages, albeit VERY late- over 40 > minutes to get here, and it's one of maybe 4-5 test messages- none of > them have shown up. I've seen this earlier today- sometimes a message > just sits and sits and then randomly appears... > > Brett -- From dat at internode.com.au Fri Nov 21 00:59:02 2003 From: dat at internode.com.au (Dat Bui) Date: 21 Nov 2003 10:29:02 +1030 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache config In-Reply-To: <3FBD1232.2070502@skybuilders.com> References: <3FBD1232.2070502@skybuilders.com> Message-ID: <1069372742.1109.1279.camel@localhost.localdomain> check your apache error logs for clues. i have a feeling it'll be a permissions thing. hope that helps. Dat On Fri, 2003-11-21 at 05:42, Jesse Burkhardt wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I am still having problems with my first Mailman installation. I have a > successful build of MM version 2.1.2. I have cofig'd a virtual host > with the following httpd.conf entry: > > > ServerName mailman.skybuilders.com > DocumentRoot /usr/local/mailman/ > ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ > # Alias /images/ /usr/local/mailman/htdocs/images/ > Options Indexes FollowSymLinks > ServerAdmin jesse at skybuilders.com > ServerSignature email > DirectoryIndex index.php index.html index.shtml index.pl > AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .php4 .php3 .phtml .html .xml .py > AddHandler cgi-script cgi pl py > > > I dropped a test page (index.html) at /usr/local/mailman/ to make sure > the site resolves correctly. But when I browse to > http://.../mailman/admin I get the "Mailman CGI error!!!" error page. I > have set ownership down the /usr/local/mailman tree to be for > apache:mailman. I have also run: > ./configure --with-cgi-gid=apache, which hasn't help me sort out the > permissions issue. > > Any suggestions? Thanks. -- Dat Bui | Internode Systems Pty Ltd e: dat at internode.com.au | Corporate Support and Provisioning p: 08 82282999 | f: 08 82356999 From brett at cloud9.net Fri Nov 21 03:27:28 2003 From: brett at cloud9.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:27:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] dead in the water In-Reply-To: <1069372351.1109.1272.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1069369207.1109.1184.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1069372351.1109.1272.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: At 10:22 AM +1030 11/21/03, Dat Bui wrote: >sorry, i should've said that this happens to me too. >doesn't hurt to try editing your Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py and try upping >the outgoing qrunners :) > >stop then start the mailmanctl So the saga ends- the system is Gentoo-based, and the build script apparently hosed my mm_cfg.py. Thankfully I was concerned this might happen and had done a backup of the entire mailman directory just in case. I restored the config file, but things still didn't work- so finally in disgust and to start fresh, I blew away ALL the queued messages(rm -rf is very therapeutic) and logs, along with everything queued in defer for postfix. Tada, it works. We lost a couple hours worth of messages, but people will live- we were down for two weeks previously. I appreciate the help from those of you who wrote back with suggestions- thank you. Brett PS:as part of all this, I found 2.1.3 was not on any gnu sites. I believe Barry has fixed/is about to fix this. -- ---- "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin http://www.users.cloud9.net/~brett/ From jesse at skybuilders.com Fri Nov 21 03:36:55 2003 From: jesse at skybuilders.com (Jesse Burkhardt) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:36:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail config Message-ID: <3FBD7A47.7050909@skybuilders.com> Hi again, Does anyone know if MM needs to "own" Sendmail? Or can Sendmail serve as a the MTA that I have already config'd as our general mail server? The reason why I ask is that there appear to be conflicts between our exiting sendmail.mc file and the one provided as "mailman.mc" in the MM/contrib dir. -- Jesse Burkhardt, Cambridge MA jesse at skybuilders.com (w) 617-876-5680 goose at aerogoose.com (h) 617-354-5523 From brett at cloud9.net Fri Nov 21 04:56:30 2003 From: brett at cloud9.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:56:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] back to square one Message-ID: I thought everything was going great(after I removed all the queue files, after having fixed mm_cfg.py and permissions), until things just ground to a halt again. 400+ files in out, mail's extremely slow- its taking well over 10 minutes from the time postfix calls bin/mailman to when something's logged in logs/post. The qrunner processes are running, and taking a few percent of CPU time, but apparently doing nothing, or next to it. The only error we're getting is every 15 minutes: Nov 20 22:02:55 2003 (18412) No such list "[list": ...with one space after the : I've been unsuccessful in tracking down where that could possibly be coming from.... Brett -- ---- "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin http://www.users.cloud9.net/~brett/ From jesse at skybuilders.com Fri Nov 21 05:34:06 2003 From: jesse at skybuilders.com (Jesse Burkhardt) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:34:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail Message-ID: <3FBD95BE.8020802@skybuilders.com> Does anyone have any decent Sendmail config examples (sendmail.mc) out there - as well as examples of virtuser, mailertable, local-host-name files? And how does one address multiple virtual hosts? Thanks -- Jesse Burkhardt, Cambridge MA jesse at skybuilders.com (w) 617-876-5680 goose at aerogoose.com (h) 617-354-5523 From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Nov 21 06:50:40 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:50:40 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail config In-Reply-To: <3FBD7A47.7050909@skybuilders.com> References: <3FBD7A47.7050909@skybuilders.com> Message-ID: On 21 Nov 2003, at 02:36, Jesse Burkhardt wrote: > Hi again, > > Does anyone know if MM needs to "own" Sendmail? Or can Sendmail serve > as a the MTA that I have already config'd as our general mail server? > The reason why I ask is that there appear to be conflicts between our > exiting sendmail.mc file and the one provided as "mailman.mc" in the > MM/contrib dir. > mailman.mc is specifically intended for use with the with the mm-handler Perl mailer in the same directory and you should be reading the mm-handler.readme document for guidance. > -- > > Jesse Burkhardt, Cambridge MA > jesse at skybuilders.com (w) 617-876-5680 > goose at aerogoose.com (h) 617-354-5523 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From doug at psy.uwa.edu.au Fri Nov 21 08:12:13 2003 From: doug at psy.uwa.edu.au (Doug Robb) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:12:13 +0800 (WST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail In-Reply-To: <3FBD95BE.8020802@skybuilders.com> Message-ID: Jesse the various options are controlled by directives. I'd take your default and either uncomment out the features below if they are already in your sendmail.mc or add them. Some of my ones related to your questions are: (I have sendmail (latest version) running on RedHat9) FEATURE(`mailertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/mailertable.db')dnl FEATURE(`virtusertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable.db')dnl FEATURE(local_procmail,`',`procmail -t -Y -a $h -d $u')dnl FEATURE(`access_db',`hash -T -o /etc/mail/access.db')dnl FEATURE(`blacklist_recipients')dnl dnl # so mail appears to come from domain below dnl MASQUERADE_AS(`yourdomain.com')dnl dnl masquerade not just the headers, but the envelope as well FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl And I added some spam mail blocking code your can look at at http://www.jimi.dk/freebsd/SpamAssasin.php Re virtual hosts make sure your hosts are in /etc/mail/local-host-names and your DNS has this server as the MX (mail exchanger) for the domain. Re sample virtusertable etc they are documented at the top of your default install or should be. Hope this helps doug On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Jesse Burkhardt wrote: > Does anyone have any decent Sendmail config examples (sendmail.mc) out > there - as well as examples of virtuser, mailertable, local-host-name files? > > And how does one address multiple virtual hosts? > > Thanks > > -- Email - doug at psy.uwa.edu.au ,-_|\ Doug Robb Phone - +618 9380 2507 / \ Senior Analyst Programmer Fax - +618 9386 7564 --> *_,-._/ Psychology Department v University of Western Australia >From U.S. 011 618 9380 2507 (EST +12hrs) from U.S. 011 618 9386 7564 ========================================================================= From mmlist at mikephillips.com Fri Nov 21 13:33:31 2003 From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:33:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts Being Received? Message-ID: I've posted a couple of times recently to this list, and even though the questions should be simple, no one has responded. Please let me know if my posts are making it to the collective, or whether I'm doing something wrong. Thanks. From mmlist at mikephillips.com Fri Nov 21 13:34:08 2003 From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:34:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts Being Received? Message-ID: I've posted a couple of times recently to this list, and even though the questions should be simple, no one has responded. Please let me know if my posts are making it to the collective, or whether I'm doing something wrong. Thanks. From ruf at rawip.org Fri Nov 21 13:46:04 2003 From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:46:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts Being Received? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031121124604.GH23271@tik.ee.ethz.ch> > Mike Phillips [2003-11-21 13:41]: > > I've posted a couple of times recently to this list, and even though > the questions should be simple, no one has responded. Please let me > know if my posts are making it to the collective, or whether I'm doing > something wrong. > well, at least, I have received two messages by you. wbr, Lukas -- Lukas Ruf | Wanna know anything about raw | | IP? -> | eMail Style Guide: | From tg at linuxpackages.net Fri Nov 21 14:04:32 2003 From: tg at linuxpackages.net (TG) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:04:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mods to digest Message-ID: <34054.67.11.248.101.1069419872.squirrel@www.linuxpackages.net> Trying to upgrade to the current version of MM and I am having some issues. Due to the nature of how we use MM basically to send out notices of packages it is a digest only type thing. In older version to change the format of the digest to make it more inline with what it is used for we simply made changes to ToDigest.py With this version though no matter what changes I seem to make they do not show up on the resulting lists digest (it is being recompiled the pyc matches the py date and time of mod). What am I missing does it work different now from before? We only change a few things like strip the email from the TOC and change the TOC name to something like Todays bla we also remove the from and to boxes from each message since they are system emails anyway. My python skills suck as you might tell but through trial and error I have been able to modify older version. An example we change print >> toc, _("Today's Topics:\n") with print >> toc, _("Today's Bla:\n") Never changes in the digest. Thanks for the help we really want to upgrade this version looks realy nice and adds things we have been wanting and seems to be much faster something we really needed with the amount of users we have. Jim From mmlist at mikephillips.com Fri Nov 21 14:21:42 2003 From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:21:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts Being Received? Message-ID: Thanks for letting me know. I don't know why it was sent twice, and a two different times. Server burp? > > Mike Phillips [2003-11-21 13:41]: > > > > I've posted a couple of times recently to this list, and even though > > the questions should be simple, no one has responded. Please let me > > know if my posts are making it to the collective, or whether I'm doing > > something wrong. > > > > well, at least, I have received two messages by you. > > wbr, > Lukas > -- > Lukas Ruf | Wanna know anything about raw | > | IP? -> | > eMail Style Guide: | > > From ruf at rawip.org Fri Nov 21 14:27:39 2003 From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:27:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts Being Received? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031121132739.GI23271@tik.ee.ethz.ch> > Mike Phillips [2003-11-21 14:23]: > > Thanks for letting me know. I don't know why it was sent twice, and > a two different times. Server burp? > Thanks for the confirmation of receipt, however, consider reading regarding Top-Posting and Full-Quoting. Thanks! wbr, Lukas -- Lukas Ruf | Wanna know anything about raw | | IP? -> | eMail Style Guide: | From adam at musichqmedia.com Fri Nov 21 15:06:38 2003 From: adam at musichqmedia.com (Adam Giddens) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:06:38 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customisation within Message Body Message-ID: <200311211407.hALE7Xa29055@lml501.securepod.com> Hi, I have turned of personalisation within the message footer and it now includes the recipients email address - that works a treat. Is it possible to include the variables like %(user_delivered_to)s within the message body, not just the footer. I would like to include links that include the recipients email address for tracking purposes. I would need to include the variables within a HTML message, is that possible? How would I go about doing it? Any help is great, Thanks, Adam Adam Giddens Music HQ Media T: 01923 431685 F: 01923 431885 E: adam at ukclubbing.com All promo's and PR's to: 54 Clarendon Road, Watford, WD17 1DU http://www.ukclubbing.com http://www.musichqmedia.com Home of ukClubbing.com, Klub Knowledge Magazine & Sky Text Clubbers Guide P777 From barry at python.org Fri Nov 21 15:39:20 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:39:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Calling all Mailman hosting sites Message-ID: <1069425559.2383.15.camel@anthem> I've had a lot of requests recently for information about Mailman hosting. As a general rule I don't like to recommend any particular hosting company. But if you do provide Mailman hosting facilities, please make sure you've added yourself to the PythonHosting wiki: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/PythonHosting I usually point people here for more information, so please make sure you're on that list. Now to check the FAQ and see if it points here... -Barry From rjgoyette at anl.gov Fri Nov 21 18:28:13 2003 From: rjgoyette at anl.gov (Rick Goyette) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:28:13 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message has implicit destination Message-ID: This is really annoying, and I don't know why it happens or how to fix it. I have some user who are subscribed to list who whenever they try to post a message have to wait for approval : As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: blah blah From: blah blah Subject: blah blah Reason: Message has implicit destination At your convenience, visit: blah blah blah to approve or deny the request. What is an implicit destination anyway? How do I fix this? From jdecarlo at mitre.org Fri Nov 21 18:33:33 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:33:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mods to digest In-Reply-To: <34054.67.11.248.101.1069419872.squirrel@www.linuxpackages.net> References: <34054.67.11.248.101.1069419872.squirrel@www.linuxpackages.net> Message-ID: <3FBE4C6D.5090106@mitre.org> Jim, TG wrote: > Trying to upgrade to the current version of MM and I am having some > issues. I can't answer any of your ToDigest questions. But, to start with something simple, changes to any .py won't take effect until you restart the mailmanctl program. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From brett at cloud9.net Fri Nov 21 19:50:53 2003 From: brett at cloud9.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:50:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message has implicit destination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:28 AM -0600 11/21/03, Rick Goyette wrote: >This is really annoying, and I don't know why it happens or how to >fix it. I have some user who are subscribed to list who whenever >they try to post a message have to wait for approval : > >What is an implicit destination anyway? How do I fix this? It means they bcc'd the list, basically- Mailman requires that the list address appear in to or cc...unless you turn it off(Privacy options? I forget). Either that or they have a really, really broken mail client/server. Slap the user's knuckles and tell them not to bcc mailing lists :-) B -- ---- "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin http://www.users.cloud9.net/~brett/ From brt at fdread.org Thu Nov 20 14:51:15 2003 From: brt at fdread.org (Robert Breithuber) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:51:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] attached "text.sxw" becomes "text.bin" in archives and digests, why? Message-ID: <200311201451.15073.brt@fdread.org> everytime an attachment becomes scrubbed, some document types get a new fileextension like .bin or .exe e.g. the attached file was text.sxw (staroffice-text-document): in archive and digests it gets scrubbed like this: Dateiname : plan.sxw Dateityp : application/vnd.sun.xml.writer Dateigr??e : 5449 bytes Beschreibung: nicht verf?gbar URL : https://.../pipermail/.../attachments/.../plan.bin why .bin? is this because the "scrubber" doesnt know what "application/vnd.sun.xml.writer" is ? why is the extension changed anyway? can i affect this behavior in any way? please help! greetings, robert -- _________________________________________ / If at first you don't succeed, you must \ \ be a programmer. / ----------------------------------------- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\_______ (__)\ )\/\ ||----w | || || From david.durham at arch.com Thu Nov 20 18:59:47 2003 From: david.durham at arch.com (Davy Durham) Date: 20 Nov 2003 11:59:47 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface to mailing list Message-ID: <1069351187.13929.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> If any of you have ever been a member of say a yahoo group then you may know what I'm talking about... There, you log into their web interface and can read and post email to a list. You also *do* receive and *can* send email via your email client and ignore the web completely. I'm wondering if there is some software that is a web interface to a gnu mailman mailing list that would allow people to log in and send/read messages to the list.. and mailman would of course retain its original functionality where users could do everything from their email client as well. I know about MHonArch, but that doesn't really suit my wants.. sure you can read there, but it's not really an interface geared toward participating in a discussion group right there on the webpage. Thanks, Davy From djgury at dholnbass.com Fri Nov 21 16:17:01 2003 From: djgury at dholnbass.com (djgury at dholnbass.com) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:17:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Report from Mailman Message-ID: <1069427821.3fbe2c6d5744a@dholnbass.com> Can you tell me if there's anyway to retrieve some sort of report as to which email address got the delivery of the message and which one didn't. From piercer at homechoice.co.uk Wed Nov 19 13:17:26 2003 From: piercer at homechoice.co.uk (Conrad Winchester) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:17:26 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slight misconfiguration Message-ID: <001a01c3ae97$28220a00$0100a8c0@babylon5> After nearly giving up on setting up Mailman last night (attaching it to my already working Qmail install) I did the right thing this morning and read the documentation that came with it. (Dave Sill is normally very good, but his install instructions in the qmail handbook are very lacking :-(). Anyway after setting everything up as per the documentation it seems to actually work (even with qmail-to-mailman which is soooo convenient), HOWEVER qmail is complaining about one thing in its send logs deferral: Group_mismatch_error.__Mailman_expected_the_mail/wrapper_script_to_be_execut ed_as_group_"nofiles",_but/the_system's_mail_server_executed_the_mail_script _as/group_"mailman".__Try_tweaking_the_mail_server_to_run_the/script_as_grou p_"nofiles",_or_re-run_configure,_/providing_the_command_line_option_`--with -mail-gid=mailman'./ Now I don't want to reconfigure with gid=mailman because that's wrong. So how do "Try_tweaking_the_mail_server_to_run_the/script_as_group_"nofiles"". FYI if an email does not get deffered it seems to be sent properly, it is only the emails that get deffered. Thanks for any help Conrad Winchester From GABRIEL364 at aol.com Thu Nov 20 00:03:13 2003 From: GABRIEL364 at aol.com (GABRIEL364 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:03:13 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can you help us Message-ID: <1a2.1d133f07.2ced50b1@aol.com> Dear Barry, We are having trouble with our DrugWatch On-Line Discussion List. I am one of the administrators and am supposed to be responsible for adding and deleting individuals from the list. Also, when bounces come in it is my job to accept or reject them. I am getting bounce notices but when I go to check them out they are already gone. Also people are being deleted from the list arbitrarily. Would you please get in touch with me so that we can talk about thisi problem. I have sent numerous messages to the mailman-owner at tds.net and though they seem to go through, no one responds. Many thanks, Sandra S. BEnnett Gabriel364 at aol.com From emilyj at cnnw.net Thu Nov 20 02:06:05 2003 From: emilyj at cnnw.net (E. Johnston) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:06:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] dumb question Message-ID: <200311191706050139.011010F0@mail.ipns.com> Hmmm....maybe I'm trying to use Mailman for something it wasn't designed for, but how do I do a super-simple announce-only mailing list? It's just a newsletter, but though I set the "where are list replies sent" to "poster", I think the newsletter at tinhouse.com mailing-list address still goes out to everyone (so far, 4 of my e-mail addresses). This is for a quarterly (maybe monthly, eventually) newsletter. Also, though I can find the general list info. html page easily enough, from where do subscribers get to the user options page? I've looked through the faq's, but can't find these.... Thank you! Emily From rahmadi at co.la.ca.us Thu Nov 20 19:11:38 2003 From: rahmadi at co.la.ca.us (Reza Ahmadi) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:11:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No one to Help? Message-ID: <4E512CB2F45EF44F86DA3AB7A41E23820CFA2C@mail2.css.co.la.ca.us> I have been reading and trying to start a group mail through the Mailman, but your information as far as I am concern is not user friendly at all. All my efforts to find and contact someone to help has failed. Can someone help? Reza Ahmadi Senior Analyst Grant Coordination Office Community and Senior Services 3175 West Sixth Street, Fourth Floor Los Angeles, CA 90020 (231) 738-3059 (P) (213) 386-3995 (F) From tercio at tre-pe.gov.br Fri Nov 21 20:26:03 2003 From: tercio at tre-pe.gov.br (Tercio Eulalio de A. Fonseca) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:26:03 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] outlook/mailman breaking messages References: <200311191706050139.011010F0@mail.ipns.com> Message-ID: <002301c3b065$4dc64210$5901080a@trepe.gov.br> Hi ALL, Some users in my company had their outlook configurated for break messages greater than 100k (for example). When someone send a 200K message, the outlook divide it in 2 parts, deliver to mailman and the mailman deliver 2 messages to the mailman users and the Outlook of this users doesn?t join the messages in 1. But when I send this same 200k message to a single person the outlook join the 2 parts. It?s happening because the READERS that the mailman put in the messages??? Thanks, T?rcio Eul?lio de A. Fons?ca Administrador de Redes Coordenadoria de Produ??o e Suporte - SI - TRE-PE 0xx81 3424-8686 ramal 242, tercio at tre-pe.gov.br From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Nov 21 21:21:03 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:21:03 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] attached "text.sxw" becomes "text.bin" in archives and digests, why? In-Reply-To: <200311201451.15073.brt@fdread.org> References: <200311201451.15073.brt@fdread.org> Message-ID: <3AB116FA-1C60-11D8-B6A3-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On 20 Nov 2003, at 13:51, Robert Breithuber wrote: > everytime an attachment becomes scrubbed, some document types get a new > fileextension like .bin or .exe > > e.g. the attached file was text.sxw (staroffice-text-document): > > in archive and digests it gets scrubbed like this: > > Dateiname : plan.sxw > Dateityp : application/vnd.sun.xml.writer > Dateigr??e : 5449 bytes > Beschreibung: nicht verf?gbar > URL : https://.../pipermail/.../attachments/.../plan.bin > > why .bin? > > is this because the "scrubber" doesnt know what > "application/vnd.sun.xml.writer" is ? > why is the extension changed anyway? > can i affect this behavior in any way? > $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py uses the Python mimetypes module to try and determine an appropriate file extension from the MIME type it has found. The standard set of such mappings held by the mimetypes module does not include application/vnd.sun.xml.writer. The mimetypes module attempts to parse a number of files when loaded to extend the mappings it knows about; you could add the missing MIME definitions to one of these files and this should solve your problem. Try running python from the command line as shown in the following transcript; this will tell you which files the mimetypes module attempts to harvest information from. Add what you want to one of these files, if any exist on your system, or you could create one of them containing what you need if none of them exist on your system. This works for me with Python 2.2.2 and 2.3. You may need to check the mimetypes module documentation if you run some other Python version. mailman at mailman:~> python Python 2.2.2 (#3, Feb 11 2003, 16:57:53) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import mimetypes >>> mimetypes.knownfiles ['/usr/local/etc/httpd/conf/mime.types', '/usr/local/lib/netscape/mime.types', '/usr/local/etc/httpd/conf/mime.types', '/usr/local/etc/mime.types'] >>> import sys >>> sys.exit() mailman at mailman:~> > please help! > > greetings, > > robert > > -- > _________________________________________ > / If at first you don't succeed, you must \ > \ be a programmer. / > ----------------------------------------- > \ ^__^ > \ (oo)\_______ > (__)\ )\/\ > ||----w | > || || ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com Fri Nov 21 22:07:36 2003 From: zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com (Jeremy Gilbert) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:07:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending mail Message-ID: <30709-03810@sneakemail.com> I have a new Mailman server running Mailman 2.1.3 with postfix on a Slackware 9.1 machine. Postfix is working great. I can send and receive mail to any local account on the list server. My problem is that no e-mail sent to any of the lists I've created is forwarded, I cannot send invitation e-mails from the admin pages and the list owners never receive messages when lists are created. Mailman does not send mail to either outside addresses nor addresses on the list server. Here is what shows up in my /var/log/maillog when it receives a message that should be forwarded to a list: (I've sanitized it) Nov 21 14:04:07 listserver postfix/smtpd[1529]: connect from xxxxxxxxxx[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] Nov 21 14:04:07 listserver postfix/smtpd[1529]: C3EDB2ACBF: client=xxxxxxxxx[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/cleanup[1531]: C3EDB2ACBF: message-id= Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/qmgr[1062]: C3EDB2ACBF: from=, size=784, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver vagated[1534]: connection from localhost Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver vagated[1534]: spooled to 01534-7A043BE7 Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver vagatefwd[1535]: Message 'incoming/xf-01534-7A043BE7' scheduled for scanning now. Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver vagatefwd[1535]: Virus Scanner will process message 'incoming/qf-01534-7A043BE7'. Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/smtp[1533]: C3EDB2ACBF: to=, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1], delay=1, status=sent (250 Mail accepted for delivery (queued as 01534-7A043BE7).) Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver vagated[1534]: connection to localhost closed Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/smtpd[1529]: disconnect from xxxxxxxxxxxx[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver vagatefwd[1538]: Message 'outgoing/xf-01534-7A043BE7' scheduled for delivery now. Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/smtpd[1539]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/smtpd[1539]: 3FED22ACC0: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/cleanup[1531]: 3FED22ACC0: message-id= Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/qmgr[1062]: 3FED22ACC0: from=, size=3422, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/smtpd[1539]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver vagatefwd[1538]: Message 'outgoing/qf-01534-7A043BE7' successfully forwarded. Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/local[1540]: 3FED22ACC0: to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test") There are no other messages that show up in this log or any other log in /var/log. This my first time using Mailman, so I don't know if there are log files hidden anywhere else. I did have a problem with Mailman choking on groups because postfix was running as with gid "nogroup" and Mailman expected gid "mailman." I re-installed Mailman with the group "nogroup," but I don't know if that caused more problems than it fixed. Please let me know if you need more information or have any ideas for a solution. Jeremy From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Nov 21 22:28:47 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:28:47 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending mail In-Reply-To: <30709-03810@sneakemail.com> References: <30709-03810@sneakemail.com> Message-ID: On 21 Nov 2003, at 21:07, Jeremy Gilbert wrote: > I have a new Mailman server running Mailman 2.1.3 with postfix on > a Slackware 9.1 machine. Postfix is working great. I can send > and receive mail to any local account on the list server. > > My problem is that no e-mail sent to any of the lists I've created > is forwarded, I cannot send invitation e-mails from the admin > pages and the list owners never receive messages when lists are > created. Mailman does not send mail to either outside addresses > nor addresses on the list server. > Have you run the command $prefix/bin/mailmanctl start to get Mailman's qrunner daemons going? > Here is what shows up in my /var/log/maillog when it receives a > message that should be forwarded to a list: (I've sanitized it) > > > Nov 21 14:04:07 listserver postfix/smtpd[1529]: connect from > xxxxxxxxxx[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] > Nov 21 14:04:07 listserver postfix/smtpd[1529]: C3EDB2ACBF: > client=xxxxxxxxx[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] > Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/cleanup[1531]: C3EDB2ACBF: > message-id= xx.com> > Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/qmgr[1062]: C3EDB2ACBF: > from=, size=784, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver vagated[1534]: connection from > localhost > Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver vagated[1534]: spooled to > 01534-7A043BE7 > Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver vagatefwd[1535]: Message > 'incoming/xf-01534-7A043BE7' scheduled for scanning now. > Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver vagatefwd[1535]: Virus Scanner will > process message 'incoming/qf-01534-7A043BE7'. > Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/smtp[1533]: C3EDB2ACBF: > to=, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1], delay=1, > status=sent (250 Mail accepted for delivery (queued as > 01534-7A043BE7).) > Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver vagated[1534]: connection to localhost > closed > Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/smtpd[1529]: disconnect from > xxxxxxxxxxxx[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] > Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver vagatefwd[1538]: Message > 'outgoing/xf-01534-7A043BE7' scheduled for delivery now. > Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/smtpd[1539]: connect from > localhost[127.0.0.1] > Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/smtpd[1539]: 3FED22ACC0: > client=localhost[127.0.0.1] > Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/cleanup[1531]: 3FED22ACC0: > message-id= x.com> > Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/qmgr[1062]: 3FED22ACC0: > from=, size=3422, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/smtpd[1539]: disconnect from > localhost[127.0.0.1] > Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver vagatefwd[1538]: Message > 'outgoing/qf-01534-7A043BE7' successfully forwarded. > Nov 21 14:04:08 listserver postfix/local[1540]: 3FED22ACC0: > to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent > ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test") > > > There are no other messages that show up in this log or any other > log in /var/log. This my first time using Mailman, so I don't > know if there are log files hidden anywhere else. > > I did have a problem with Mailman choking on groups because > postfix was running as with gid "nogroup" and Mailman expected gid > "mailman." I re-installed Mailman with the group "nogroup," but I > don't know if that caused more problems than it fixed. > > Please let me know if you need more information or have any ideas > for a solution. > > Jeremy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Fri Nov 21 23:57:55 2003 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:57:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Postfix Configuration problem Message-ID: <3fbe9873.2b4.38c.10946@cnc.bc.ca> I don't have something configured correctly and I'm not sure if its postfix or mailman. When I create a new list via the mailman web interface I recieve the notice with the password in the email. So mailman to postfix email works ok. When I subscribe to a list via the web interface I recieve the confirmation notice ok. When I reply to the confirmation notice I recieve an error message. For testing I setup a new list called "test", here are the results when I reply: When trying to deliver your message, the mail server at cnc.bc.ca encountered permanent problems with the following address: For , the destination server said: : User unknown in local recipient table (from avas.cnc.bc.ca Its like the aliases aren't being recognized but they are. A postmap -q test /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases returns the correct record. Is this a mailman configuration issue or a postfix issue? What have I missed? ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From aaron at mutualaid.org Sat Nov 22 01:46:12 2003 From: aaron at mutualaid.org (aaron) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:46:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer question Message-ID: <76366495C9C94E4BA5BB0919BF9B684C4318DB@order.partners-intl.net> I'll try this one more time - would appreciate any guidance.... Hello. I need to append a footer (w/unsubscribe info) to all Mailman messages going out from my server. I need to do this in a way so that it is not possible for list admins to modify the footer. Does anyone have any suggestions? I searched the list archives and found something about using Decorate.py, to do this, but I have been unable to figure out how to make this work. I'm using Mailman 2.1.3 with Python 2.1.3. on FreeBSD. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance, Aaron From dave-mlist at bfnet.com Sat Nov 22 04:13:04 2003 From: dave-mlist at bfnet.com (David Wuertele) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:13:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp-failure: sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts Message-ID: I'm using mailman with qmail, and I see the following report in /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp-failure: Nov 22 03:02:34 2003 (13250) delivery to dave-mlist at bfnet.com failed with code 553: sorry, that domain isn't in my list of \allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) Now, I'm suprised to see this, because bfnet.com is not a local address, it is the address of a subscriber. This looks like mailman is trying to use my smtpd as a relay. Why doesn't it just use qmail-inject, or at least /usr/lib/sendmail, which is a link to /var/qmail/bin/sendmail? From dave-mlist at bfnet.com Sat Nov 22 04:27:32 2003 From: dave-mlist at bfnet.com (David Wuertele) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:27:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: smtp-failure: sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts References: Message-ID: I'd also like to point out that my localhost (127. as well as external IP) is already accepted for relaying. Me> I'm using mailman with qmail, and I see the following report in Me> /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp-failure: Me> Nov 22 03:02:34 2003 (13250) delivery to dave-mlist at bfnet.com failed Me> with code 553: sorry, that domain isn't in my list of \allowed Me> rcpthosts (#5.7.1) Me> Now, I'm suprised to see this, because bfnet.com is not a local Me> address, it is the address of a subscriber. This looks like mailman Me> is trying to use my smtpd as a relay. Why doesn't it just use Me> qmail-inject, or at least /usr/lib/sendmail, which is a link to Me> /var/qmail/bin/sendmail? From webmaster at ican-online.org Sun Nov 23 02:42:32 2003 From: webmaster at ican-online.org (ICAN Webmaster) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:42:32 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: All HTML in Posts is Gone Message-ID: <000001c3b163$104cc090$6500a8c0@Jane> I run a very small list (12 members). In the last month or so, every single post arrives in plain text for everyone. No one is set to receive plain text, and nearly everyone on the list posts in HTML, but it never comes through in HTML. How can I fix this? Thanks. Jane webmaster at ican-online.org From marc at perkel.com Sun Nov 23 02:17:54 2003 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:17:54 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't install under Redhat Fedora Message-ID: <3FC00AC2.2050803@perkel.com> What am I doing wrong? make install Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/Version.py ... Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/__init__.py ... Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py ... Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ... Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 47, in ? from Mailman import Utils File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ? import cgi File "/usr/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ? import urllib File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ? import socket File "/usr/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? from _socket import * ImportError: /lib/libssl.so.4: undefined symbol: krb5_cc_get_principal make: *** [update] Error 1 From marc at perkel.com Sun Nov 23 01:50:52 2003 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:50:52 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fedora Install Problem Message-ID: <3FC0046C.1080308@perkel.com> Just upgraded from Redhat 7.3 to Fedora and I'm getting this error triying to reinstall. Anyone else run into this? What do I do? make install ..... Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ... Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 47, in ? from Mailman import Utils File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ? import cgi File "/usr/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ? import urllib File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ? import socket File "/usr/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? from _socket import * ImportError: /lib/libssl.so.4: undefined symbol: krb5_cc_get_principal make: *** [update] Error 1 From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sun Nov 23 09:55:04 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 08:55:04 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't install under Redhat Fedora In-Reply-To: <3FC00AC2.2050803@perkel.com> References: <3FC00AC2.2050803@perkel.com> Message-ID: On 23 Nov 2003, at 01:17, Marc Perkel wrote: > What am I doing wrong? > > make install > > Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/Version.py ... > Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/__init__.py ... > Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py ... > Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ... > Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "bin/update", line 47, in ? > from Mailman import Utils > File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ? > import cgi > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ? > import urllib > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ? > import socket > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? > from _socket import * > ImportError: /lib/libssl.so.4: undefined symbol: krb5_cc_get_principal > make: *** [update] Error 1 > This is not a Mailman problem as such but a Python configuration/installation compatibility problem. It looks as though the standard Python socket module you have installed has been built with support for SSL connections but was built against a different version or different configuration of (presumably) openSSL to that actually installed on your system. You should be able to confirm that is the problem by running Python from the command line and entering the 'import socket' statement. If that generates an Import Error exception then my analysis is correct. How did you install openSSL and Python; from source or RPMs? It might be worth checking the Redhat support lists. By the way, for a non-Redhat user and besides it being a type of hat, what does "Fedora" mean in terms of Redhat Linux release numbers/versions. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From eb5esx at eb5esx.ampr.org Sun Nov 23 12:35:32 2003 From: eb5esx at eb5esx.ampr.org (Ruben Navarro Huedo) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 12:35:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting mailman with Debian Woody. Message-ID: <200311231235.32416.eb5esx@eb5esx.ampr.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello friends: We have been installing mailman under Debian Woody. Mailman is version version 2.0.11 (installed with apt-get). All runs OK, but when we try access to the archives: Forbidden You don't have permission to access /pipermail/sysop/ on this server. Apache/1.3.26 Server at xxxxx.org Port 80 Alias is OK in httpd.conf: Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ And: linux:/var/lib/mailman/archives/public# ls -l total 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root list 39 Nov 23 01:45 sysop -> /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/sysop lrwxrwxrwx 1 root list 44 Nov 23 01:45 sysop.mbox -> /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/sysop.mbox lrwxrwxrwx 1 root list 38 Nov 22 16:08 test -> /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/test lrwxrwxrwx 1 root list 43 Nov 22 16:08 test.mbox -> /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/test.mbox linux:/var/lib/mailman/archives/public# A lot of thank's. - -- Ruben Navarro Huedo email: eb5esx at eb5esx.ampr.org ax25: eb5esx at ea5rke.eaa.esp.eu http://www.cabodesantapola.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/wJuE0S5G8AO3zN8RAsR2AKCwjthTojgdA0Qr59/O/9LM/hMKPgCffFYy 8u9iG+SEeIIBDOsYcGILRGM= =ENSX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From steffann at nederland.net Sun Nov 23 13:46:25 2003 From: steffann at nederland.net (Sander Steffann) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:46:25 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't install under Redhat Fedora References: <3FC00AC2.2050803@perkel.com> Message-ID: <001b01c3b1bf$ceffdb10$64c8a8c0@10ww.steffann.nl> Hi, > By the way, for a non-Redhat user and besides it being a type of hat, > what does "Fedora" mean in terms of Redhat Linux release > numbers/versions. RedHat stopped the RedHat Linux product-line. They now only provide and support RedHat Enterprise Linux. The old RedHat Linux (which ends with RedHat Linux 9) distribution has been converted into a community-based distribution called Fedora. Although RedHat still helps with Fedora, it is officially unsupported. Fedora Core 1 should be seen as what RedHat Linux 10 would have been... to go back to the socket problem: My Fedora install can import socket without any warnings or errors. I have the python-2.2.3-7 RPM installed. Maybe Marc has an other/older version? Bye, Sander. From clayno at w4cl.net Sun Nov 23 14:36:09 2003 From: clayno at w4cl.net (Charles Layno) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 08:36:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman won't install under Redhat Fedora In-Reply-To: <200311230831.56232.clayno@w4cl.net> References: <3FC00AC2.2050803@perkel.com> <001b01c3b1bf$ceffdb10$64c8a8c0@10ww.steffann.nl> <200311230831.56232.clayno@w4cl.net> Message-ID: <200311230836.09705.clayno@w4cl.net> On Sunday 23 November 2003 08:31, you wrote: > Here is another error message from Fedora when you try and access Mailman > from the web interface: > > > Traceback: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main > main() > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 61, in main > admin_overview() > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 228, in admin_overview > mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 124, in __init__ > self.Load() > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 612, in Load > self.CheckVersion(dict) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 635, in CheckVersion > Update(self, stored_state) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/versions.py", line 53, in Update > NewRequestsDatabase(l) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/versions.py", line 476, in NewRequestsDatabase > msg = Message.OutgoingMessage(text) > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'OutgoingMessage' > > > This was done with the standard RPM install from Fedora. They finally got > it working in RH 9 and now it is broken again. Oy Vay! > > Charles Layno From marc at perkel.com Sun Nov 23 16:07:31 2003 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 07:07:31 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python Broken in Redhat Fedora In-Reply-To: References: <3FC00AC2.2050803@perkel.com> Message-ID: <3FC0CD33.4070606@perkel.com> Also - Yum, Up2Date, and almost all python programs are similarly disfunctional but produce different errors. Yet I did install the latest and greatest stuff and did a few reinstalls just to make sure. I'm stumped. and wondering if I need to revert back to Redhat 7.3. Am I the only one here that's tried to upgrade to Fedora? Richard Barrett wrote: > > On 23 Nov 2003, at 01:17, Marc Perkel wrote: > >> What am I doing wrong? >> >> make install >> >> Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/Version.py ... >> Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/__init__.py ... >> Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py ... >> Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ... >> Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "bin/update", line 47, in ? >> from Mailman import Utils >> File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ? >> import cgi >> File "/usr/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ? >> import urllib >> File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ? >> import socket >> File "/usr/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? >> from _socket import * >> ImportError: /lib/libssl.so.4: undefined symbol: krb5_cc_get_principal >> make: *** [update] Error 1 >> > > This is not a Mailman problem as such but a Python > configuration/installation compatibility problem. > > It looks as though the standard Python socket module you have > installed has been built with support for SSL connections but was > built against a different version or different configuration of > (presumably) openSSL to that actually installed on your system. > > You should be able to confirm that is the problem by running Python > from the command line and entering the 'import socket' statement. If > that generates an Import Error exception then my analysis is correct. > > How did you install openSSL and Python; from source or RPMs? It might > be worth checking the Redhat support lists. > > By the way, for a non-Redhat user and besides it being a type of hat, > what does "Fedora" mean in terms of Redhat Linux release > numbers/versions. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk > From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Sun Nov 23 18:29:18 2003 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:29:18 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python Broken in Redhat Fedora In-Reply-To: <3FC0CD33.4070606@perkel.com> References: <3FC00AC2.2050803@perkel.com> <3FC0CD33.4070606@perkel.com> Message-ID: <916C0CBC-1DDA-11D8-B6A3-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> On 23 Nov 2003, at 15:07, Marc Perkel wrote: > Also - Yum, Up2Date, and almost all python programs are similarly > disfunctional but produce different errors. Yet I did install the > latest and greatest stuff and did a few reinstalls just to make sure. > I'm stumped. and wondering if I need to revert back to Redhat 7.3. > I would be inclined to deinstall the Python RPM, install the Python SRPM and do an 'rpm --rebuild'. This might generate a more viable RPM for your system. If that doesn't work you can always fall back to building and installing Python from source, a process I have always found remarkably simple, although you do not end up with it in the package database this way. > Am I the only one here that's tried to upgrade to Fedora? > > Richard Barrett wrote: > >> >> On 23 Nov 2003, at 01:17, Marc Perkel wrote: >> >>> What am I doing wrong? >>> >>> make install >>> >>> Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/Version.py ... >>> Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/__init__.py ... >>> Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py ... >>> Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ... >>> Compiling /usr/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... >>> Traceback (most recent call last): >>> File "bin/update", line 47, in ? >>> from Mailman import Utils >>> File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ? >>> import cgi >>> File "/usr/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ? >>> import urllib >>> File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ? >>> import socket >>> File "/usr/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? >>> from _socket import * >>> ImportError: /lib/libssl.so.4: undefined symbol: >>> krb5_cc_get_principal >>> make: *** [update] Error 1 >>> >> >> This is not a Mailman problem as such but a Python >> configuration/installation compatibility problem. >> >> It looks as though the standard Python socket module you have >> installed has been built with support for SSL connections but was >> built against a different version or different configuration of >> (presumably) openSSL to that actually installed on your system. >> >> You should be able to confirm that is the problem by running Python >> from the command line and entering the 'import socket' statement. If >> that generates an Import Error exception then my analysis is correct. >> >> How did you install openSSL and Python; from source or RPMs? It might >> be worth checking the Redhat support lists. >> >> By the way, for a non-Redhat user and besides it being a type of hat, >> what does "Fedora" mean in terms of Redhat Linux release >> numbers/versions. >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ > r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk > From sasa at stupar.homelinux.net Mon Nov 24 00:36:42 2003 From: sasa at stupar.homelinux.net (Sasa Stupar) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:36:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with localhost.localdomain Message-ID: <3FC1448A.60504@stupar.homelinux.net> Hi! I am new to mailman. I have compiled and instaled the current stable version. I have also created an initial list mailman like it is described in the INSTALL. My problem is that when I log in http://mydomain/mailman/admin/mailman and want to click on some links like privacy or language or even setting I get back error that "localhost.localdomain could not be found..." I have setup in the mm-cfg.py the variables DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mydomain.com' and DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mydomain.com'. What am I missing here ? Sasa From soob at macosx.com Mon Nov 24 07:20:07 2003 From: soob at macosx.com (Jim McCarty) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 22:20:07 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with localhost.localdomain In-Reply-To: <3FC1448A.60504@stupar.homelinux.net> References: <3FC1448A.60504@stupar.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <3FED778E-1E46-11D8-BE4E-0003938ADBC6@macosx.com> Sasa, Check the output when running ./configure, looking for "checking for default mail host name" and "checking for default URL host component" - on my system, they gave me the resolved hostname for my dynamic IP address (blah.client.attbi.com) instead of my domain. It was using the attbi address for web page links (like to the list archive). I added --with-mailhost=domain and --with-urlhost=www.domain to the ./configure command and that corrected the problem. Now those links reference my domain name instead. HTH, Jim -- "Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again." - Franklin P. Jones On Nov 23, 2003, at 3:36 PM, Sasa Stupar wrote: > Hi! > > I am new to mailman. I have compiled and instaled the current stable > version. I have also created an initial list mailman like it is > described in the INSTALL. My problem is that when I log in > http://mydomain/mailman/admin/mailman and want to click on some links > like privacy or language or even setting I get back error that > "localhost.localdomain could not be found..." > I have setup in the mm-cfg.py the variables DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = > 'mydomain.com' and DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mydomain.com'. > What am I missing here ? > > Sasa > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: soob at macosx.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/soob%40macosx.com > From frederic.perrouin at unilog.fr Mon Nov 24 14:52:00 2003 From: frederic.perrouin at unilog.fr (Frederic Perrouin) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:52:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] All message in shunt ?!? Message-ID: I can't find where i did wrong !?! All my message are in /shunt, and /bin/unshunt does nothing ...... Help needed ..... Here is my error log : Nov 24 14:11:51 2003 (23026) SHUNTING: 1069679511.159743+ddeaf1516f5d228a54c87bdeb4ee520230be0131 Nov 24 14:33:34 2003 (23026) Uncaught runner exception: Nov 24 14:33:34 2003 (23026) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 90, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 131, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 312, in send_i18n_digests payload = msg.get_payload(decode=True) File "/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 197, in get_payload return Utils._qdecode(payload) File "/var/tmp/python-2.2-root/opt/freeware/lib/python2.2/quopri.py", line 161, in decodestring return a2b_qp(s, header = header) MemoryError Nov 24 14:33:34 2003 (23026) SHUNTING: 1069680813.824836+d40dd0e9b2708f73d8d60243c25b88be46f9abe8 From ruf at rawip.org Mon Nov 24 14:55:57 2003 From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:55:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and https Message-ID: <20031124135557.GH4962@tik.ee.ethz.ch> Dear all, please accept my apologies for re-sending my question regarding mailman and https. But since the original posting has taken place, I have neither received an answer of found any further information. ----- Forwarded message from Lukas Ruf ----- I run several mailing list on various virtual hosts with mailman 2.1.2 on a Linux 2.4 server. This works just great! (Thanks to the developers!). However, I would like to secure all administrative web-pages by https. Searching the web and has not really led me to an understanding on how to achieve this. I would be very happy if anyone could give me either pointers or concrete hints for this problems! Thanks in advance! PS: https for the VirtualHosts in my Apache works already fine. I tried to achieve this by inserting 'redirect permanent /mailman "https://.."' -- without the intended effect, however. ----- End forwarded message ----- Thanks in advance, wbr, Lukas -- Lukas Ruf | Wanna know anything about raw | | IP? -> | eMail Style Guide: | From steen at loecke.dk Mon Nov 24 15:13:29 2003 From: steen at loecke.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Steen_L=F8cke?=) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:13:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Message-ID: Hi Friends! Please help me...I want make a read-only Mailman maillist. How do I do? I have some troubles with that. I think it's because I don't understand how it works. It seems that all my subsribers can post messages to the list and then the maillist send this message out to the hole list. It should only be ME, as administrator/moderator, that can do that. Best regards Steen BTW: Sorry for my english, I'm danish :)) -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.197 / Virus Database: 261.3.0 - Release Date: 21-11-2003 From ruf at rawip.org Mon Nov 24 15:19:01 2003 From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:19:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031124141901.GI4962@tik.ee.ethz.ch> > Steen L?cke [2003-11-24 15:14]: > > Hi Friends! > > Please help me...I want make a read-only Mailman maillist. How do I > do? I have some troubles with that. I think it's because I don't > understand how it works. It seems that all my subsribers can post > messages to the list and then the maillist send this message out to > the hole list. It should only be ME, as administrator/moderator, > that can do that. > you can set the moderation flag for the subscribers plus set the flag "moderate all newly scubscribed users" (or something similar). wbr, Lukas -- Lukas Ruf | Wanna know anything about raw | | IP? -> | eMail Style Guide: | From james.osbourn at globalgraphics.com Mon Nov 24 15:57:19 2003 From: james.osbourn at globalgraphics.com (james.osbourn at globalgraphics.com) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:57:19 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of variables Message-ID: I am making some customizations to a list that i am setting up using mailman-2.1.3 but cannot find a list of all the variables that can be used when modifying the headers, footers and body of messages that are sent i have found some in the help and some by looking at the templates, and there are more available if you enable personalization. but i do not think that this is the complete list. i have also had a scan of the net and of the mailman archive but have not been able to find a list if some one has a list it would be very useful Thanks James From okrjo at netscape.net Sat Nov 22 01:03:54 2003 From: okrjo at netscape.net (O_Krjo) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:03:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] what's wrong with my list? Message-ID: <3FBEA7EA.8080304@netscape.net> I am having a lot of problems in setting up mailman on a OSX 10.3 server. It does not start. I work from the configuration panel in the server admin app. Postfix and IMAP/POP are working fine. On Mailman, whenever I try to add a list with its administrator, this is deleted from the config panel and it seems that mailman can not start. I am quite new to Mac. Any suggestion? Thanks in advance (Oscar) From bob.applegate at ulticom.com Sun Nov 23 15:40:10 2003 From: bob.applegate at ulticom.com (Bob Applegate) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:40:10 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change host name? Message-ID: <00bd01c3b1cf$b2404950$2101a8c0@bob> I'm running Mailman 2.1.1 under FreeBSD 5.1 on a new server. We got Mailman running while the new box was running under a temporary hostname. Once we renamed the machine to the final name, all the URLs produced by Mailman are incorrect. I fixed files like Mailman/Defaults.py, but all of the lists have files like config.pck which have the old domain in them. Manually editing them partially works, but users see mangled domain names. This is probably an easy fix, but I'm trying not to foul up what's already working. Any suggestions? Thanks Bob From sottenberg at verizon.net Sun Nov 23 19:38:02 2003 From: sottenberg at verizon.net (sandy Ottenberg) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:38:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list serves Message-ID: <001201c3b1f0$f0e6c9b0$0100a8c0@Sandy> Do you have a simple demo of how your list serves work. I am looking for a list serve service for my organization. Thank you Happy Thanksgiving Sandy Ottenberg sottenberg at verizon.net From james.osbourn at globalgraphics.com Mon Nov 24 17:03:51 2003 From: james.osbourn at globalgraphics.com (james.osbourn at globalgraphics.com) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:03:51 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of variables Message-ID: thanks for the feedback, but what i was really after was a list of variables like real_name, list_name, host_name etc or user_address, user_delivered_to, user_password if you have personalization these are used in the template text files and the headers and footers that you can enter through the web gui configuration Thanks James At 24/11/2003 15:17:52, "Pablo Chamorro C." wrote: > Did you see in mm_cfg.py? > > Also, it is possible: > > bin/config_list -o mylist.txt mylist > > and to look the mylist.txt contents. > > I hope this help, > > Pablo Chamorro C. > > On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 james.osbourn at globalgraphics.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I am making some customizations to a list that i am setting up using > > mailman-2.1.3 but cannot find a list of all the variables that can be used > > when modifying the headers, footers and body of messages that are sent > > > > i have found some in the help and some by looking at the templates, and > > there are more available if you enable personalization. but i do not think > > that this is the complete list. i have also had a scan of the net and of > > the mailman archive but have not been able to find a list > > > > if some one has a list it would be very useful > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/pchamorro%40ingeomin.gov. > co > > > > > > > > -- > From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Nov 24 17:18:48 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:18:48 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change host name? In-Reply-To: <00bd01c3b1cf$b2404950$2101a8c0@bob> References: <00bd01c3b1cf$b2404950$2101a8c0@bob> Message-ID: On 23 Nov 2003, at 14:40, Bob Applegate wrote: > I'm running Mailman 2.1.1 under FreeBSD 5.1 on a new server. We got > Mailman running while the new box was running under a temporary > hostname. Once we renamed the machine to the final name, all the > URLs produced by Mailman are incorrect. I fixed files like > Mailman/Defaults.py, but all of the lists have files like config.pck > which > have the old domain in them. Manually editing them partially works, > but users see mangled domain names. > > This is probably an easy fix, but I'm trying not to foul up what's > already > working. Any suggestions? > You could consider visiting the FAQ using the URL on the bottom of all messages distributed by the mailman-users list: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py For instance, see the following FAQ entry but do read the whole page: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp > Thanks > > Bob > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com Mon Nov 24 18:09:52 2003 From: zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com (Jeremy Gilbert) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:09:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup Message-ID: <19605-57032@sneakemail.com> I'm having a hell of a time getting this working, but I keep coming back to this problem. I get this back whenever I send e-mail to a list address. : Command died with status 2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test". Command output: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "nogroup". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailman", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'. This has probably been answered before, but the only answer I could find in the archives related to changing the --with-mail-gid=nogroup in the configure script. This only creates more problems for me, so I'd like to change Postfix to run the wrapper as gid mailman. However, I can't find how to do this. I've followed all the instructions in INSTALL, README and README.POSTFIX, but I'm obviously still missing something. Thanks, Jeremy Gilbert zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Nov 24 18:25:46 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:25:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup In-Reply-To: <19605-57032@sneakemail.com> References: <19605-57032@sneakemail.com> Message-ID: <20031124172546.GA18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Gilbert wrote: > I'm having a hell of a time getting this working, but I keep > coming back to this problem. I get this back whenever I send > e-mail to a list address. > > : Command died with status 2: > "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test". Command output: > Group mismatch > error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be > executed as group > "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail > script as group > "nogroup". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as > group > "mailman", or re-run configure, providing the command line > option > `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'. > > This has probably been answered before, but the only answer I > could find in the archives related to changing the > --with-mail-gid=nogroup in the configure script. This only > creates more problems for me, so I'd like to change Postfix to run > the wrapper as gid mailman. However, I can't find how to do this. > I've followed all the instructions in INSTALL, README and > README.POSTFIX, but I'm obviously still missing something. What are the perms on /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman? Postfix should be executing the script as whatever group the wrapper has. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== We have too many lawyers making laws. We need some un-lawyers un-making some laws. -- Carl Strang, ex-mayor, Winter Haven, FL -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/wj8auv+09NZUB1oRAueqAKCA0mGMKVhYOug02TyomB30ZnHfawCeK1Ux brON3wyaGljryhz9JO7sm7E= =3pt3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Nov 24 18:38:58 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:38:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and https In-Reply-To: <20031124135557.GH4962@tik.ee.ethz.ch> References: <20031124135557.GH4962@tik.ee.ethz.ch> Message-ID: <20031124173858.GB18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lukas Ruf wrote: > I run several mailing list on various virtual hosts with mailman > 2.1.2 on a Linux 2.4 server. This works just great! (Thanks to the > developers!). > > However, I would like to secure all administrative web-pages by > https. Searching the web and has not > really led me to an understanding on how to achieve this. Set this in mm_cfg.py: DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' Then restart the qrunners and use the fix_url.py script to update existing lists. You also need to run bin/arch as well to recreate the archives if there are attachments in the archives of any lists. And see this excellent FAQ entry: 4.29. Where can I change a list or the default URL used for the web interface? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp There's a section on using SSL which links to another FAQ entry which has more details. Combined, these two entries should answer your question pretty well. > PS: https for the VirtualHosts in my Apache works already fine. > I tried to achieve this by inserting 'redirect permanent /mailman > "https://.."' -- without the intended effect, however. This doesn't work for the admin forms since the POST data doesn't get redirected. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/wkIyuv+09NZUB1oRApoGAKDLfuvvw6va/QRIM+jdUBwC4BQzNQCcCYDH AUasajJJbdU19N6YatTdShg= =xa9M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com Mon Nov 24 18:55:03 2003 From: zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com (Jeremy Gilbert) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:55:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup Message-ID: <1808-56817@sneakemail.com> > > What are the perms on /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman? Postfix should > be executing the script as whatever group the wrapper has. > > - -- > Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman 37699 Nov 24 10:38 /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman Looks like mailman:mailman. Are the permission bits correct? Jeremy Gilbert zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Nov 24 19:06:15 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:06:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup In-Reply-To: <28046-25077@sneakemail.com> References: <28046-25077@sneakemail.com> Message-ID: <20031124180615.GE18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Gilbert wrote: > >> What are the perms on /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman? Postfix >> should be executing the script as whatever group the wrapper has. [...] > -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman 37699 Nov 24 10:38 > /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman > > Looks like mailman:mailman. Are the permission bits correct? I believe so. I'm running Postfix 1.1.12, but I didn't think 2.0 was different in the respect. Is there anything in your Postfix logs that might give you a clue? Does check_perms tell you anything? BTW, reply to the list so everyone can benefit from the eventual solution and more eyes can see the discussion and jump in with ideas. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== How am I supposed to hallucinate with all these swirling colors distracting me? -- Lisa Simpson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/wkiXuv+09NZUB1oRAommAJ457sORg5Q1iuhbLDROoCEj5jcxTQCgun2f 9c2+fMFcurWATt6trswpjc4= =XArO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Mon Nov 24 19:21:16 2003 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:21:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Help please - Postfix and Mailman Message-ID: <3fc24c1c.2fb.9f4.16747@cnc.bc.ca> ----- Original Message Follows ----- > On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 10:03, gagel at cnc.bc.ca wrote: > > Tom, > > Typo on my part, I double checked and the line is using the pipe > > not the colon. > > > > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > > On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 09:50, gagel at cnc.bc.ca wrote: > > > > I'm having trouble getting Postfix to recognize my Mailman > > > > aliases. Clearly something is wrong in my configuration but I > > > > can't figure out what it is. With a single list called "test" > > > > I can't send anything to it, I can't subscribe because the > > > > confirmation is rejected with a "User unknown in local > > > > recipient table (from avas.cnc.bc.ca:" error. It seems to me > > > > that Postfix is ignoring the alias databases. > > > > A postalias -q for test shows: > > > > ":/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test" > > > ^ > > > Should be "|" rather than ":". > > > > > > Example: > > > > > > [root at lists shorewall]# postalias -q test > > > /var/mailman/Mailman/aliases "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post > > > test" [root at lists shorewall]# > > > > > You have: > > local_recipient_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/users > > Does /etc/postfix/users contain "test"? > > -Tom No, mailman is using the same principle as majordomo they both use aliases to "insert" themselves into postfix. Postfix is not recognising my aliases even though the entries are there... ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From simon at caperet.com Mon Nov 24 19:41:20 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:41:20 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Help please - Postfix and Mailman In-Reply-To: <3fc24c1c.2fb.9f4.16747@cnc.bc.ca> References: <3fc24c1c.2fb.9f4.16747@cnc.bc.ca> Message-ID: <20031124184120.GA1955@mtds.com> 24-Nov-03 at 10:21, gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) wrote : > No, mailman is using the same principle as majordomo they both use > aliases to "insert" themselves into postfix. Postfix is not > recognising my aliases even though the entries are there... Hi there, Can you post the output from the following: # postconf | grep alias # postconf | grep local and the path to your aliases file that Mailman generates (usually in the data subdirectory) Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Mon Nov 24 19:43:23 2003 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:43:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Help please - Postfix and Mailman Message-ID: <3fc2514b.165.9c8.21080@cnc.bc.ca> Tom, ----- Original Message Follows ----- > You have: > > local_recipient_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/users > > Does /etc/postfix/users contain "test"? got me searching and found the problem. I was missing the $alias_maps for the local_recipient_maps. Problem is resolved. ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Nov 24 19:58:34 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:58:34 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup In-Reply-To: <20031124172546.GA18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <19605-57032@sneakemail.com> <20031124172546.GA18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <34281DB6-1EB0-11D8-B6A3-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On 24 Nov 2003, at 17:25, Todd wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jeremy Gilbert wrote: >> I'm having a hell of a time getting this working, but I keep >> coming back to this problem. I get this back whenever I send >> e-mail to a list address. >> >> : Command died with status 2: >> "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test". Command output: >> Group mismatch >> error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be >> executed as group >> "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail >> script as group >> "nogroup". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as >> group >> "mailman", or re-run configure, providing the command line >> option >> `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'. >> >> This has probably been answered before, but the only answer I >> could find in the archives related to changing the >> --with-mail-gid=nogroup in the configure script. This only >> creates more problems for me, so I'd like to change Postfix to run >> the wrapper as gid mailman. However, I can't find how to do this. >> I've followed all the instructions in INSTALL, README and >> README.POSTFIX, but I'm obviously still missing something. > > What are the perms on /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman? Postfix should > be executing the script as whatever group the wrapper has. > Your interpretation is not quite correct. When it is run, and as a security precaution, the mailman wrapper checks the group of the process which is executing it is what it expects and then and only then runs the mail delivery script with the mailman gid. This expected gid is compiled into the mailman wrapper as the value of --with-mail-gid from ./configure. The issue is not what gid the wrapper should run the Mailman mail delivery script as but what gid the wrapper expects the process running it to have. The error message is saying that it is being run with the gid nogroup when it was told to expect to be run by a process with the gid mailman. If you want to stick with that then Postfix, repeat Postfix, has to execute with the gid mailman. Which may or may not be what you want. > - -- > Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp > ====================================================================== > We have too many lawyers making laws. We need some un-lawyers > un-making some laws. > -- Carl Strang, ex-mayor, Winter Haven, FL > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From pvmailman at nekophile.com Mon Nov 24 19:59:25 2003 From: pvmailman at nekophile.com (pvmailman at nekophile.com) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:59:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] question re postfix - mailman integration in fedora Message-ID: Hi, I'm successfully runnning the default postfix (2) and mailman 2.1.2 installations on my fedora box. I decided to follow the instructions for integrating mailman into postfix so as to have a web interface for list creation. What I found is that the aliases hash file in the mailman installation is being updated fine. However, two things are unusual. 1 - Whereas I usually get mailing list mail to go via nekophile.com, the only mail that can be sent is to mail.nekophile.com (pine says unknown user in local recipient table if I just use the list at domain). 2 - If I go ahead and send to the list at mail.domain, I get this postfix error: Final-Recipient: rfc822; list.test at mail.nekophile.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail for mail.nekophile.com loops back to myself I must being doing something wrong, but I need help fixing it. Thank you, Phil From wop at quicknet.nl Mon Nov 24 21:39:13 2003 From: wop at quicknet.nl (W. van Eis) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:39:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted headers in mail body References: <20031120095751.GM9721@tik.ee.ethz.ch> <009501c3af53$7ae721a0$6401a8c0@asusl5800c> Message-ID: <001301c3b2cb$07eddc40$6401a8c0@asusl5800c> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted headers in mail body Once agian.. somebody ?? > HI, > > I'm new to this list. Hope you can help me out. > > I'm running a mail list through a ISP, so i'm not the owner of the server > and don't have acces to the Mailman host. > But i've the following question; Some of our users recieve mails with > complete headers in the body and the original message is messed up. And > there's now sender visable. Could anyone tell me how to solve this problem? > I don't happens all the time on al the messages, but it's very irritating. > > Every help would be greatfull... > Thanks in advance! > > Wop > > Running mailist on : www.verenigdestaten.info ( dutch site ) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: wop at quicknet.nl > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/wop%40quicknet.nl > From zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com Mon Nov 24 22:25:23 2003 From: zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com (Jeremy Gilbert) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:25:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup Message-ID: <30176-79679@sneakemail.com> > Your interpretation is not quite correct. > > When it is run, and as a security precaution, the mailman wrapper > checks the group of the process which is executing it is what it > expects and then and only then runs the mail delivery script with the > mailman gid. This expected gid is compiled into the mailman > wrapper as > the value of --with-mail-gid from ./configure. > > The issue is not what gid the wrapper should run the Mailman mail > delivery script as but what gid the wrapper expects the > process running > it to have. > > The error message is saying that it is being run with the gid nogroup > when it was told to expect to be run by a process with the > gid mailman. > If you want to stick with that then Postfix, repeat Postfix, has to > execute with the gid mailman. Which may or may not be what you want. > Okay, great. I'm not sure about your explanation, but when I changed all the aliases and aliases.db files on my system to mailman:mailman ownership, everything is finally working. By your explanation, Postfix must be running as gid mailman now. Thanks for the help, everyone. Should this be added to the documentation somewhere? I can usually find anything using the documentation, but I really don't think this information is in the documentation or FAQ anywhere. Thanks again, Jeremy Gilbert zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Nov 24 22:51:57 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:51:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup In-Reply-To: <34281DB6-1EB0-11D8-B6A3-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> References: <19605-57032@sneakemail.com> <20031124172546.GA18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <34281DB6-1EB0-11D8-B6A3-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <20031124215157.GI18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Richard Barrett wrote: > On 24 Nov 2003, at 17:25, Todd wrote: >> What are the perms on /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman? Postfix >> should be executing the script as whatever group the wrapper has. > > Your interpretation is not quite correct. > > When it is run, and as a security precaution, the mailman wrapper > checks the group of the process which is executing it is what it > expects and then and only then runs the mail delivery script with > the mailman gid. This expected gid is compiled into the mailman > wrapper as the value of --with-mail-gid from ./configure. > > The issue is not what gid the wrapper should run the Mailman mail > delivery script as but what gid the wrapper expects the process > running it to have. > > The error message is saying that it is being run with the gid > nogroup when it was told to expect to be run by a process with the > gid mailman. If you want to stick with that then Postfix, repeat > Postfix, has to execute with the gid mailman. Which may or may not > be what you want. The OP said that the error he was getting indicated that Postfix was running the wrapper as nogroup, when mailman was expecting it to be run as group mailman. I didn't think there was anything really to configure with Postfix in this regard. I believed that it executed with the group that the wrapper had, which his permissions showed was group mailman. Am I missing something here? Does Postfix 2.0 behave differently in this regard? I did just notice Jeremy's follow-up that he changed the group on the aliases files and that did the trick. I was thinking that postfix would run the wrapper as the group of the wrapper, but instead it runs them as the group of the aliases file I guess. Perhaps one of the posfix gurus can jump in if that's wrong. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== How much does it cost to entice a dope-smoking UNIX system guru to Dayton? -- Brian Boyle, UNIX/WORLD's First Annual Salary Survey -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/wn19uv+09NZUB1oRAh2JAJ9cUN5KFFdlBUmDi7HQ69v4PLTE2ACgligy UxbWNV/RikHQo5wEx9dacWw= =WQpd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Nov 24 22:57:10 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:57:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup In-Reply-To: <30176-79679@sneakemail.com> References: <30176-79679@sneakemail.com> Message-ID: <20031124215710.GJ18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Gilbert wrote: > Okay, great. I'm not sure about your explanation, but when I > changed all the aliases and aliases.db files on my system to > mailman:mailman ownership, everything is finally working. By your > explanation, Postfix must be running as gid mailman now. > > Thanks for the help, everyone. Should this be added to the > documentation somewhere? I can usually find anything using the > documentation, but I really don't think this information is in the > documentation or FAQ anywhere. Well, README.POSTFIX does say this: Make sure that the owner of the data/aliases and data/aliases.db file is `mailman' and that the group owner for those files is `mailman'. E.g.: % su % chown mailman:mailman data/aliases* - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== When a man says he approves of something in principle, it means he hasn't the slightest intention of carrying it out in practice. -- Prince Otto -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/wn62uv+09NZUB1oRAgTZAKCqoWTCcpsx1vw0KHbWyjMq6ViB1ACdHIj+ +0SnBkzmEeDkYyIewy8hpUI= =Sm8I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From merle.reine at lindows.com Mon Nov 24 23:50:25 2003 From: merle.reine at lindows.com (Merle Reine) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:50:25 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Defaults Message-ID: <3FC28B31.8010908@lindows.com> Hello, all. I have around 300 mailing lists and more going up all the time. For each list I setup, I have to setup some defaults for our company such as listadmin, do not send pass reminders, digest options, etc. My question is, is there a way to set my particular defaults to be the defaults for a newlist creation? So when I create a new list, all the settings that I usually have to go into and change for each and every list would already be there? I have created a custom admin page with just a simple text box with "Create List". this way, only I can get to this page and to add a list, I simply type in the name and hit submit to create the list. If I could get it to have all the defaults I normally have to change and have them setup by default, it would make for no hassle management. If anyone knows where the defaults are stored for a list creation, or how to change all of the defaults, please let me know. From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Nov 25 01:09:58 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 24 Nov 2003 19:09:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Defaults In-Reply-To: <3FC28B31.8010908@lindows.com> References: <3FC28B31.8010908@lindows.com> Message-ID: <1069718998.4376.222.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 17:50, Merle Reine wrote: > Hello, all. > > I have around 300 mailing lists and more going up all the time. For > each list I setup, I have to setup some defaults for our company such as > listadmin, do not send pass reminders, digest options, etc. > > My question is, is there a way to set my particular defaults to be the > defaults for a newlist creation? So when I create a new list, all the > settings that I usually have to go into and change for each and every > list would already be there? > > I have created a custom admin page with just a simple text box with > "Create List". this way, only I can get to this page and to add a list, > I simply type in the name and hit submit to create the list. If I could > get it to have all the defaults I normally have to change and have them > setup by default, it would make for no hassle management. > > If anyone knows where the defaults are stored for a list creation, or > how to change all of the defaults, please let me know. > Most of these can be set in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (look in Defaults.py and copy over the settings you want to change as your list defaults). Jon Carnes From brett at cloud9.net Tue Nov 25 02:49:02 2003 From: brett at cloud9.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:49:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] only one member in web interface Message-ID: On our larger lists(1000 people), we only see one address listed in the web UI, instead of the usual 25 or so per page that we used to see in 2.0; some lists 5 or so, others more like 10 or 15. Very inconsistent. Is this normal? If so, very annoying. The smaller lists seem fine... Brett -- ---- "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin http://www.users.cloud9.net/~brett/ From allan at lxd1.asiandevbank.org Tue Nov 25 04:08:42 2003 From: allan at lxd1.asiandevbank.org (Ako Ito) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:08:42 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] transfer mailman to a new server Message-ID: <006c01c3b301$6e65a440$578b17ac@a3gts4> anyone have successfuly transferred/migrated a working mailman server to a new server.. what steps do i need to undertake to successfully migrate it.. thanks From zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com Tue Nov 25 14:39:38 2003 From: zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com (Jeremy Gilbert) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:39:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup Message-ID: <15701-87133@sneakemail.com> > Well, README.POSTFIX does say this: > > Make sure that the owner of the data/aliases and data/aliases.db > file is `mailman' and that the group owner for those files is > `mailman'. E.g.: > > % su > % chown mailman:mailman data/aliases* Yes, I saw that, and I followed those instructions, but until I changed the ownership of /etc/aliases and /etc/postfix/aliases* the wrapper was still being run as gid "nogroup". I think the documentation should be changed to also recommend change those files to group ownership of mailman. Jeremy Gilbert zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com From ufgmail at gmx.de Tue Nov 25 15:43:17 2003 From: ufgmail at gmx.de (Uwe Gaertner) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:43:17 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing Newsletters with large number of contributors? Message-ID: <23872.1069771397@www41.gmx.net> Hi everybody, I'm managing a group of mailman-newsletters each with a large number of contributors. In order to grant write-access to the lists only to the contributors all members are set to 'moderated' by default and the moderated-flag is disabled manually for the contributors if they are also subscribers to the list (which is the default case). Here is my question: Is there an easy way to manage the 'moderated'-flag - e.g. via a list of e-mail-addresses - so that the uncomfortable manual process can be avoided? Any help is ver much appreciated! Uwe Gaertner -- GMX Weihnachts-Special: Seychellen-Traumreise zu gewinnen! Rentier entlaufen. Finden Sie Rudolph! Als Belohnung winken tolle Preise. http://www.gmx.net/de/cgi/specialmail/ +++ GMX - die erste Adresse f?r Mail, Message, More! +++ From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Tue Nov 25 17:11:54 2003 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:11:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] http/https and archives. Message-ID: Hi, These are probably questions previously answered by I haven't found answers to them. First, is there a way to make the Web interface work with secure web, i.e. https, rather than http? We want the passwds to be ecrypted at least. I know what to in Apache but is there anything in Mailman that needs to be changed to have it generate https for its Web pages. Second, I want to move some Majordomo lists to Mailman. Is there a way to transfer the archives to mailman archives. Documentation seems a bit scarce. Help apprecitated. Many thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |I'm continually amazed by mankind's seemingly Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA |infinite capacity for stupidity. Me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From swald at ssc.wisc.edu Mon Nov 24 22:20:36 2003 From: swald at ssc.wisc.edu (Sandra J. Wald) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:20:36 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wanting to see web interface for mailman Message-ID: <00e101c3b2d0$ce21d010$55bc5c90@ads.ssc.wisc.edu> Hello, Do you have a demo or screen shots for mailman listowner? sincerely, Sandra Sandra Wald SSCC - Helpdesk Coordinator Rm 4315 Social Science (608) 265-4922 University of Wisconsin - Madison Gandhi: "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated." From thtran at ambient.nac.uci.edu Tue Nov 25 15:13:44 2003 From: thtran at ambient.nac.uci.edu (Tri H. Tran) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:13:44 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.3 installation problem Message-ID: <20031125141344.GA58902@ambient.nac.uci.edu> Hi, Seem to be having problem with the dreaded "No module named korean" error message. I've attached the "make install" log for reference. Please help. -- <------------------------------> Tri Tran University of California - Irvine Network & Academic Computing Services Phone: (949)824-5887 email: thtran at uci.edu -------------- next part -------------- Creating architecture independent directories... chmod o-r /apps/mailman/archives/private Creating architecture dependent directories... make[1]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/bin' for f in mmsitepass newlist rmlist add_members list_members remove_members clone_member update arch sync_members check_db withlist check_perms find_member version config_list list_lists dumpdb cleanarch list_admins genaliases change_pw mailmanctl qrunner inject unshunt fix_url.py convert.py transcheck b4b5-archfix list_owners msgfmt.py show_qfiles discard; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 755 ../build/bin/$f /apps/mailman/bin; \ done make[1]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/bin' make[1]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/cron' for f in crontab.in; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /apps/mailman/cron; \ done for f in checkdbs mailpasswds senddigests gate_news nightly_gzip bumpdigests disabled; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 755 ../build/cron/$f /apps/mailman/cron; \ done make[1]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/cron' make[1]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/misc' /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 ./*.jpg ./*.png /apps/mailman/icons for d in bin cron scripts tests; \ do \ dir=/apps/mailman/$d; \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 paths.py $dir; \ done /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 755 mailman /apps/mailman/scripts /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 sitelist.cfg /apps/mailman/data for p in email-2.5.4 JapaneseCodecs-1.4.9 KoreanCodecs-2.0.5; \ do \ gunzip -c ./$p.tar.gz | tar xf -; \ (cd $p ; umask 02 ; PYTHONPATH=/apps/mailman/pythonlib /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python setup.py --quiet install --install-lib /apps/mailman/pythonlib --install-purelib /apps/mailman/pythonlib --install-data /apps/mailman/pythonlib); \ done "/usr/ucbinclude/unistd.h", line 97: macro _PC_LAST redefines previous macro at "/usr/include/sys/unistd.h", line 234 "/usr/ucbinclude/unistd.h", line 117: macro _POSIX_VERSION redefines previous macro at "/usr/include/sys/unistd.h", line 243 "src/_japanese_codecs.c", line 147: warning: assignment type mismatch: pointer to uchar "=" pointer to char "src/_japanese_codecs.c", line 381: warning: assignment type mismatch: pointer to uchar "=" pointer to char "src/_japanese_codecs.c", line 575: warning: assignment type mismatch: pointer to uchar "=" pointer to char "src/_japanese_codecs.c", line 902: warning: argument #1 is incompatible with prototype: prototype: pointer to char : "/dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/include/python2.2/stringobject.h", line 57 argument : pointer to uchar "src/_japanese_codecs.c", line 1184: warning: argument #1 is incompatible with prototype: prototype: pointer to char : "/dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/include/python2.2/stringobject.h", line 57 argument : pointer to uchar "src/_japanese_codecs.c", line 1499: warning: argument #1 is incompatible with prototype: prototype: pointer to char : "/dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/include/python2.2/stringobject.h", line 57 argument : pointer to uchar "/usr/ucbinclude/unistd.h", line 97: macro _PC_LAST redefines previous macro at "/usr/include/sys/unistd.h", line 234 "/usr/ucbinclude/unistd.h", line 117: macro _POSIX_VERSION redefines previous macro at "/usr/include/sys/unistd.h", line 243 "src/_koco_ksc5601.h", line 1493: warning: initialization type mismatch "src/_koco_ksc5601.h", line 1493: warning: initialization type mismatch "src/_koco_ksc5601.h", line 1493: warning: initialization type mismatch "src/_koco_ksc5601.h", line 1493: warning: initialization type mismatch "src/_koco_ksc5601.h", line 1494: warning: initialization type mismatch "src/_koco_ksc5601.h", line 1494: warning: initialization type mismatch "src/_koco_ksc5601.h", line 1494: warning: initialization type mismatch . . . "src/_koco_uhc.h", line 1647: warning: initialization type mismatch "src/_koco_uhc.h", line 1647: warning: initialization type mismatch "src/_koco_uhc.h", line 1648: warning: initialization type mismatch "src/_koco_uhc.h", line 1648: warning: initialization type mismatch "src/_koco_uhc.h", line 1648: warning: initialization type mismatch "src/_koco_uhc.h", line 1648: warning: initialization type mismatch . . . "src/hangul.c", line 91: warning: improper pointer/integer combination: op "=" "src/hangul.c", line 91: invalid source character: '#' "src/hangul.c", line 91: warning: improper pointer/integer combination: op "=" "src/hangul.c", line 91: invalid source character: '#' "src/hangul.c", line 91: warning: improper pointer/integer combination: op "=" "src/hangul.c", line 93: invalid source character: '#' . . . "src/hangul.c", line 99: warning: improper pointer/integer combination: op "=" "src/hangul.c", line 637: invalid source character: '#' "src/hangul.c", line 637: warning: improper pointer/integer combination: arg #2 "src/hangul.c", line 638: invalid source character: '#' "src/hangul.c", line 638: warning: improper pointer/integer combination: arg #2 "src/hangul.c", line 639: invalid source character: '#' "src/hangul.c", line 639: warning: improper pointer/integer combination: arg #2 cc: acomp failed for src/hangul.c error: command 'cc' failed with exit status 2 make[1]: *** [install-packages] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/misc' make[1]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman' for f in ./*.py; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /apps/mailman/Mailman; \ done /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 mm_cfg.py.dist /apps/mailman/Mailman if [ ! -f /apps/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ]; \ then \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 mm_cfg.py.dist /apps/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py; \ fi for d in Cgi Logging Archiver Handlers Bouncers Queue MTA Gui Commands; \ do \ (cd $d; make DESTDIR= install); \ done make[2]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/Cgi' for f in *.py; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f /apps/mailman/Mailman/Cgi; \ done make[2]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/Cgi' make[2]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/Logging' for f in *.py; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f /apps/mailman/Mailman/Logging; \ done make[2]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/Logging' make[2]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/Archiver' for f in __init__.py Archiver.py HyperArch.py HyperDatabase.py pipermail.py; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f /apps/mailman/Mailman/Archiver; \ done make[2]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/Archiver' make[2]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/Handlers' for f in *.py; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f /apps/mailman/Mailman/Handlers; \ done make[2]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/Handlers' make[2]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/Bouncers' for f in *.py; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers; \ done make[2]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/Bouncers' make[2]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/Queue' for f in *.py; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f /apps/mailman/Mailman/Queue; \ done make[2]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/Queue' make[2]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/MTA' for f in *.py; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f /apps/mailman/Mailman/MTA; \ done make[2]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/MTA' make[2]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/Gui' for f in *.py; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f /apps/mailman/Mailman/Gui; \ done make[2]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/Gui' make[2]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/Commands' for f in *.py; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f /apps/mailman/Mailman/Commands; \ done make[2]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/Commands' make[1]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman' make[1]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/scripts' for f in bounces confirm driver join leave owner post request; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f /apps/mailman/scripts; \ done /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 ./bounces /apps/mailman/scripts/admin /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 ./join /apps/mailman/scripts/subscribe /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 ./leave /apps/mailman/scripts/unsubscribe make[1]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/scripts' make[1]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/src' gcc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/apps/mailman\"" -DPYTHON="\"/dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python\"" -DHELPFUL -g -O2 -g -O2 -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 ./common.c gcc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/apps/mailman\"" -DPYTHON="\"/dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python\"" -DHELPFUL -g -O2 -g -O2 -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 ./vsnprintf.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"admindb\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o admindb ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"admin\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o admin ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"confirm\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o confirm ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"create\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o create ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"edithtml\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o edithtml ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"listinfo\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o listinfo ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"options\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o options ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"private\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o private ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"rmlist\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o rmlist ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"roster\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o roster ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"subscribe\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o subscribe ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -I. -DMAIL_GROUP="\"other\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o mailman ./mail-wrapper.c for f in admindb admin confirm create edithtml listinfo options private rmlist roster subscribe; \ do \ exe=/apps/mailman/cgi-bin/$f; \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 755 $f $exe; \ chmod g+s $exe; \ done for f in mailman; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /apps/mailman/mail; \ chmod g+s /apps/mailman/mail/$f; \ done make[1]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/src' make[1]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/templates' for d in big5 cs de en es et eu fi fr gb hu it ja ko lt nl no pl pt pt_BR ru sr sv uk; \ do \ ./../mkinstalldirs /apps/mailman/templates/$d; \ for f in ./$d/*.html ./$d/*.txt; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /apps/mailman/templates/$d; \ done; \ done make[1]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/templates' make[1]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/messages' /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o cs/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo cs/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o da/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo da/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o de/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo de/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o es/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo es/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o et/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo et/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o eu/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo eu/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o fi/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo fi/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o fr/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo fr/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o hu/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo hu/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o it/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo it/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o ja/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo ja/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o ko/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo ko/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o lt/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo lt/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o nl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo nl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o no/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo no/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o pl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo pl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o pt/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo pt/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o ru/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo ru/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o sr/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo sr/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o sv/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo sv/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python ../build/bin/msgfmt.py -o uk/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo uk/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/cs/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/da/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/de/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/es/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/et/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/eu/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/fi/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/fr/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/hu/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/it/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/ja/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/ko/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/lt/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/nl/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/no/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/pl/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/pt/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/ru/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/sr/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/sv/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /apps/mailman/messages/uk/LC_MESSAGES make[1]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/messages' make[1]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/tests' for f in ./test*.py ./*Base.py; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /apps/mailman/tests; \ done for f in ./onebounce.py ./fblast.py; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /apps/mailman/tests; \ done for d in bounces msgs; \ do \ (cd $d; make DESTDIR= install); \ done make[2]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/tests/bounces' for f in ./*.txt; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /apps/mailman/tests/bounces; \ done make[2]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/tests/bounces' make[2]: Entering directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/tests/msgs' for f in ./*.txt; \ do \ /dcs/packages/gnu/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /apps/mailman/tests/msgs; \ done make[2]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/tests/msgs' make[1]: Leaving directory `/export/home/mailman-2.1.3/tests' /dcs/packages/python-2.2.1/bin/python -c 'from compileall import *; compile_dir("/apps/mailman/Mailman")' Listing /apps/mailman/Mailman ... Listing /apps/mailman/Mailman/Archiver ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Autoresponder.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py ... Listing /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Caiwireless.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Compuserve.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Exchange.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Exim.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/GroupWise.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/LLNL.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Microsoft.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Netscape.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Postfix.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Qmail.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/SMTP32.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/SimpleMatch.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/SimpleWarning.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Sina.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Yahoo.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Yale.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/__init__.py ... Listing /apps/mailman/Mailman/Cgi ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/Auth.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/__init__.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py ... 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Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/TopicMgr.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/UserDesc.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/Version.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/__init__.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ... Compiling /apps/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 45, in ? import paths File "bin/paths.py", line 59, in ? import korean ImportError: No module named korean make: *** [update] Error 1 From lvellucci at cervantes.unimet.edu.ve Tue Nov 25 01:08:33 2003 From: lvellucci at cervantes.unimet.edu.ve (Luigi Vellucci) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:08:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?q?Mailman_don=B4t_deliver_to_all_th?= =?iso-8859-1?q?e_accounts?= Message-ID: <200311250008.hAP08XFC023077@cervantes.unimet.edu.ve> I?m running RedHat 7.3 with the mailman 2.1.2 installed by a RPM and my MTA is sendmail 8.12. I don?t know what happen I have a list with 1200 accounts and when I sent a email to the list not everyone gets the email. Can you help about what I should check? I created a new list with 5 accounts and everything works fine. Thanks in advance. Luigi. From tech-mail at prupref.com Tue Nov 25 17:59:34 2003 From: tech-mail at prupref.com (McKeever Chris) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:59:34 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users]Mailman don´t deliver to all the accounts In-Reply-To: <200311250008.hAP08XFC023077@cervantes.unimet.edu.ve> Message-ID: <200311251659.hAPGxY915651@smtp1.prupref.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031125/8a32d3f9/attachment.pot From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Nov 25 18:32:14 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:32:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup In-Reply-To: <15701-87133@sneakemail.com> References: <15701-87133@sneakemail.com> Message-ID: <20031125173214.GO18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Gilbert wrote: >> Well, README.POSTFIX does say this: >> >> Make sure that the owner of the data/aliases and >> data/aliases.db file is `mailman' and that the group owner >> for those files is `mailman'. E.g.: >> >> % su >> % chown mailman:mailman data/aliases* > > Yes, I saw that, and I followed those instructions, but until I > changed the ownership of /etc/aliases and /etc/postfix/aliases* > the wrapper was still being run as gid "nogroup". I think the > documentation should be changed to also recommend change those > files to group ownership of mailman. I don't think that's required. I know that's not how I have any of my systems setup and they all work fine with mailman. They are all running Postfix version 1, but I'd be surprised to find that Postfix 2 is that much different in this regard. You might want to ask about this on the postfix-users list. Someone there can probably answer more definitively why you're having trouble getting the wrapper to run under the right gid. I would take a wild guess that it might have to do with your alias_map and alias_database settings. Do you have some or all of your mailman aliases in one of the system alias files or something? - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/w5Ieuv+09NZUB1oRAuRdAJ9rgc2f4cjmf9qVoA5KmpVt9nmKAQCguuv5 Ckvcpikjzq3ap0mwrmxq4ks= =AmKv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Lvellucci at unimet.edu.ve Tue Nov 25 19:11:59 2003 From: Lvellucci at unimet.edu.ve (Luigi Vellucci) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:11:59 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?q?The_mailman_doesn=B4t_deliver_mai?= =?iso-8859-1?q?ls_to_all_the_accounts?= Message-ID: <87797A1B483C7F4E8DF98B7CB51685C95F49@cervantes2.unimet.edu.ve> I have a RedHat Linux 7.3 with mailman 2.1.3, I installed in a tar.gz source and I have a list with 1200 accounts and when a sent a email to the list, this email didn?t arrive to some accounts including me, I checked the logs but I didn?t found any error, I use sendmail 8.12. Can someboy help me please. Thanks Luigi From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Nov 25 19:12:21 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:12:21 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] http/https and archives. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 25 Nov 2003, at 16:11, Chris Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > These are probably questions previously answered by I haven't > found > answers to them. > > First, is there a way to make the Web interface work with secure > web, i.e. https, rather than http? We want the passwds to be ecrypted > at least. I know what to in Apache but is there anything in Mailman > that needs to be changed to have it generate https for its Web pages. > Read the FAQ Luke, read the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? query=https&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search > Second, I want to move some Majordomo lists to Mailman. Is there > a way to transfer the archives to mailman archives. Documentation > seems a bit scarce. > > Help apprecitated. Many thanks. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > Systems Administrator |Web: > http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson > NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 > Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 > 149 (2301) 13th Street |I'm continually amazed by mankind's > seemingly > Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA |infinite capacity for stupidity. Me > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Nov 25 19:21:55 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 25 Nov 2003 13:21:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman =?ISO-8859-1?Q?don=B4t?= deliver to all the accounts In-Reply-To: <200311250008.hAP08XFC023077@cervantes.unimet.edu.ve> References: <200311250008.hAP08XFC023077@cervantes.unimet.edu.ve> Message-ID: <1069784515.3225.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 19:08, Luigi Vellucci wrote: > Im running RedHat 7.3 with the mailman 2.1.2 installed by a RPM and my MTA is sendmail 8.12. > > I dont know what happen I have a list with 1200 accounts and when I sent a email to the list not everyone gets the email. > > > Can you help about what I should check? I created a new list with 5 accounts and everything works fine. > > > Thanks in advance. > > Luigi. > > ______________________________________________________________________ Luigi, You should check the RAM in your server and make sure that you have aplenty. It could be that your running short during the delivery of your messages. There are plenty of other causes to check as well: - Have you been blacklisted by anyone? - Is your DNS working properly? - Are the messages simply queued up waiting to go out to the net? - Are you having relay problems (what do your MTA logs say)? - How much space is available on your /var partition? Have at it, and have some fun while you do! Jon Carnes From ptn at goalsnet.com.pe Tue Nov 25 19:32:22 2003 From: ptn at goalsnet.com.pe (Pat) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:32:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 14, Issue 52 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031125133207.00a058a0@goalsnet.com.pe> Pueden contertar que es esto? >Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > mailman-users at python.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mailman-users-request at python.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > mailman-users-owner at python.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Unwanted headers in mail body (W. van Eis) > 2. RE: wrapper script run as nogroup (Jeremy Gilbert) > 3. Re: wrapper script run as nogroup (Todd) > 4. Re: wrapper script run as nogroup (Todd) > 5. Mailing List Defaults (Merle Reine) > 6. Re: Mailing List Defaults (Jon Carnes) > 7. only one member in web interface (Brett Dikeman) > 8. transfer mailman to a new server (Ako Ito) > 9. RE: wrapper script run as nogroup (Jeremy Gilbert) > 10. Managing Newsletters with large number of contributors? > (Uwe Gaertner) > 11. http/https and archives. (Chris Johnson) > 12. wanting to see web interface for mailman (Sandra J. Wald) >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >From: "W. van Eis" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: mailman-users at python.org >References: <20031120095751.GM9721 at tik.ee.ethz.ch> > <009501c3af53$7ae721a0$6401a8c0 at asusl5800c> >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:39:13 +0100 >Message-ID: <001301c3b2cb$07eddc40$6401a8c0 at asusl5800c> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted headers in mail body >Message: 1 > > > >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted headers in mail body > >Once agian.. somebody ?? > > > > HI, > > > > I'm new to this list. Hope you can help me out. > > > > I'm running a mail list through a ISP, so i'm not the owner of the server > > and don't have acces to the Mailman host. > > But i've the following question; Some of our users recieve mails with > > complete headers in the body and the original message is messed up. And > > there's now sender visable. Could anyone tell me how to solve this >problem? > > I don't happens all the time on al the messages, but it's very irritating. > > > > Every help would be greatfull... > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Wop > > > > Running mailist on : www.verenigdestaten.info ( dutch site ) > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: wop at quicknet.nl > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/wop%40quicknet.nl > > > > > > > >From: "Jeremy Gilbert" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: mailman-users at python.org >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:25:23 -0500 >Message-ID: <30176-79679 at sneakemail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup >Message: 2 > > > Your interpretation is not quite correct. > > > > When it is run, and as a security precaution, the mailman >wrapper > > checks the group of the process which is executing it is what it > > > expects and then and only then runs the mail delivery script >with the > > mailman gid. This expected gid is compiled into the mailman > > wrapper as > > the value of --with-mail-gid from ./configure. > > > > The issue is not what gid the wrapper should run the Mailman >mail > > delivery script as but what gid the wrapper expects the > > process running > > it to have. > > > > The error message is saying that it is being run with the gid >nogroup > > when it was told to expect to be run by a process with the > > gid mailman. > > If you want to stick with that then Postfix, repeat Postfix, has >to > > execute with the gid mailman. Which may or may not be what you >want. > > > >Okay, great. I'm not sure about your explanation, but when I >changed all the aliases and aliases.db files on my system to >mailman:mailman ownership, everything is finally working. By your >explanation, Postfix must be running as gid mailman now. > >Thanks for the help, everyone. Should this be added to the >documentation somewhere? I can usually find anything using the >documentation, but I really don't think this information is in the >documentation or FAQ anywhere. > >Thanks again, >Jeremy Gilbert >zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com > > >From: Todd >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: Mailman >References: <19605-57032 at sneakemail.com> > <20031124172546.GA18451 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> > <34281DB6-1EB0-11D8-B6A3-000A957C9A50 at openinfo.co.uk> >In-Reply-To: <34281DB6-1EB0-11D8-B6A3-000A957C9A50 at openinfo.co.uk> >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:51:57 -0500 >Reply-To: Todd >Message-ID: <20031124215157.GI18451 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup >Message: 3 > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Richard Barrett wrote: > > On 24 Nov 2003, at 17:25, Todd wrote: > >> What are the perms on /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman? Postfix > >> should be executing the script as whatever group the wrapper has. > > > > Your interpretation is not quite correct. > > > > When it is run, and as a security precaution, the mailman wrapper > > checks the group of the process which is executing it is what it > > expects and then and only then runs the mail delivery script with > > the mailman gid. This expected gid is compiled into the mailman > > wrapper as the value of --with-mail-gid from ./configure. > > > > The issue is not what gid the wrapper should run the Mailman mail > > delivery script as but what gid the wrapper expects the process > > running it to have. > > > > The error message is saying that it is being run with the gid > > nogroup when it was told to expect to be run by a process with the > > gid mailman. If you want to stick with that then Postfix, repeat > > Postfix, has to execute with the gid mailman. Which may or may not > > be what you want. > >The OP said that the error he was getting indicated that Postfix was >running the wrapper as nogroup, when mailman was expecting it to be >run as group mailman. I didn't think there was anything really to >configure with Postfix in this regard. I believed that it executed >with the group that the wrapper had, which his permissions showed was >group mailman. > >Am I missing something here? Does Postfix 2.0 behave differently in >this regard? > >I did just notice Jeremy's follow-up that he changed the group on the >aliases files and that did the trick. I was thinking that postfix >would run the wrapper as the group of the wrapper, but instead it runs >them as the group of the aliases file I guess. Perhaps one of the >posfix gurus can jump in if that's wrong. > >- -- >Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp >====================================================================== >How much does it cost to entice a dope-smoking UNIX system guru to >Dayton? > -- Brian Boyle, UNIX/WORLD's First Annual Salary Survey > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. > >iD8DBQE/wn19uv+09NZUB1oRAh2JAJ9cUN5KFFdlBUmDi7HQ69v4PLTE2ACgligy >UxbWNV/RikHQo5wEx9dacWw= >=WQpd >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >From: Todd >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: mailman-users at python.org >References: <30176-79679 at sneakemail.com> >In-Reply-To: <30176-79679 at sneakemail.com> >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:57:10 -0500 >Reply-To: Todd >Message-ID: <20031124215710.GJ18451 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup >Message: 4 > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Jeremy Gilbert wrote: > > Okay, great. I'm not sure about your explanation, but when I > > changed all the aliases and aliases.db files on my system to > > mailman:mailman ownership, everything is finally working. By your > > explanation, Postfix must be running as gid mailman now. > > > > Thanks for the help, everyone. Should this be added to the > > documentation somewhere? I can usually find anything using the > > documentation, but I really don't think this information is in the > > documentation or FAQ anywhere. > >Well, README.POSTFIX does say this: > > Make sure that the owner of the data/aliases and data/aliases.db > file is `mailman' and that the group owner for those files is > `mailman'. E.g.: > > % su > % chown mailman:mailman data/aliases* > >- -- >Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp >====================================================================== >When a man says he approves of something in principle, it means he >hasn't the slightest intention of carrying it out in practice. > -- Prince Otto > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. > >iD8DBQE/wn62uv+09NZUB1oRAgTZAKCqoWTCcpsx1vw0KHbWyjMq6ViB1ACdHIj+ >+0SnBkzmEeDkYyIewy8hpUI= >=Sm8I >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: Merle Reine >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: >To: mailman-users at python.org, merle.reine at lindows.com >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:50:25 -0800 >Message-ID: <3FC28B31.8010908 at lindows.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Defaults >Message: 5 > >Hello, all. > >I have around 300 mailing lists and more going up all the time. For each >list I setup, I have to setup some defaults for our company such as >listadmin, do not send pass reminders, digest options, etc. >My question is, is there a way to set my particular defaults to be the >defaults for a newlist creation? So when I create a new list, all the >settings that I usually have to go into and change for each and every list >would already be there? > >I have created a custom admin page with just a simple text box with >"Create List". this way, only I can get to this page and to add a list, I >simply type in the name and hit submit to create the list. If I could get >it to have all the defaults I normally have to change and have them setup >by default, it would make for no hassle management. > >If anyone knows where the defaults are stored for a list creation, or how >to change all of the defaults, please let me know. > > > > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: Jon Carnes >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >To: Merle Reine >References: <3FC28B31.8010908 at lindows.com> >In-Reply-To: <3FC28B31.8010908 at lindows.com> >Date: 24 Nov 2003 19:09:58 -0500 >Reply-To: jonc at nc.rr.com >Message-ID: <1069718998.4376.222.camel at localhost.localdomain> >Content-Type: text/plain >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Defaults >Message: 6 > >On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 17:50, Merle Reine wrote: > > Hello, all. > > > > I have around 300 mailing lists and more going up all the time. For > > each list I setup, I have to setup some defaults for our company such as > > listadmin, do not send pass reminders, digest options, etc. > > > > My question is, is there a way to set my particular defaults to be the > > defaults for a newlist creation? So when I create a new list, all the > > settings that I usually have to go into and change for each and every > > list would already be there? > > > > I have created a custom admin page with just a simple text box with > > "Create List". this way, only I can get to this page and to add a list, > > I simply type in the name and hit submit to create the list. If I could > > get it to have all the defaults I normally have to change and have them > > setup by default, it would make for no hassle management. > > > > If anyone knows where the defaults are stored for a list creation, or > > how to change all of the defaults, please let me know. > > >Most of these can be set in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (look in >Defaults.py and copy over the settings you want to change as your list >defaults). > >Jon Carnes > > > >From: Brett Dikeman >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: mailman-users at python.org >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:49:02 -0500 >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Subject: [Mailman-Users] only one member in web interface >Message: 7 > >On our larger lists(1000 people), we only see one address listed in the >web UI, instead of the usual 25 or so per page that we used to see in 2.0; >some lists 5 or so, others more like 10 or 15. Very inconsistent. Is >this normal? If so, very annoying. The smaller lists seem fine... > >Brett >-- >---- >"They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary >safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin >http://www.users.cloud9.net/~brett/ > > > > > >From: "Ako Ito" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:08:42 +0800 >Message-ID: <006c01c3b301$6e65a440$578b17ac at a3gts4> >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Subject: [Mailman-Users] transfer mailman to a new server >Message: 8 > >anyone have successfuly transferred/migrated a working mailman server to a >new server.. what steps do i need to undertake to successfully migrate >it.. thanks > >From: "Jeremy Gilbert" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: mailman-users at python.org >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:39:38 -0500 >Message-ID: <15701-87133 at sneakemail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup >Message: 9 > > > Well, README.POSTFIX does say this: > > > > Make sure that the owner of the data/aliases and >data/aliases.db > > file is `mailman' and that the group owner for those files >is > > `mailman'. E.g.: > > > > % su > > % chown mailman:mailman data/aliases* > >Yes, I saw that, and I followed those instructions, but until I >changed the ownership of /etc/aliases and /etc/postfix/aliases* >the wrapper was still being run as gid "nogroup". I think the >documentation should be changed to also recommend change those >files to group ownership of mailman. > >Jeremy Gilbert >zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: "Uwe Gaertner" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: mailman-users at python.org >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:43:17 +0100 (MET) >Message-ID: <23872.1069771397 at www41.gmx.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing Newsletters with large number of > contributors? >Message: 10 > >Hi everybody, > >I'm managing a group of mailman-newsletters each with a large number of >contributors. In order to grant write-access to the lists only to the >contributors all members are set to 'moderated' by default and the >moderated-flag is >disabled manually for the contributors if they are also subscribers to the >list >(which is the default case). > >Here is my question: Is there an easy way to manage the 'moderated'-flag - >e.g. via a list of e-mail-addresses - so that the uncomfortable manual process >can be avoided? > >Any help is ver much appreciated! > >Uwe Gaertner > >-- >GMX Weihnachts-Special: Seychellen-Traumreise zu gewinnen! > >Rentier entlaufen. Finden Sie Rudolph! Als Belohnung winken >tolle Preise. http://www.gmx.net/de/cgi/specialmail/ > >+++ GMX - die erste Adresse f?r Mail, Message, More! +++ > > > >From: Chris Johnson >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: >To: mailman-users at python.org >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:11:54 -0500 (EST) >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Subject: [Mailman-Users] http/https and archives. >Message: 11 > > Hi, > > These are probably questions previously answered by I haven't found >answers to them. > > First, is there a way to make the Web interface work with secure >web, i.e. https, rather than http? We want the passwds to be ecrypted >at least. I know what to in Apache but is there anything in Mailman >that needs to be changed to have it generate https for its Web pages. > > Second, I want to move some Majordomo lists to Mailman. Is there >a way to transfer the archives to mailman archives. Documentation >seems a bit scarce. > > Help apprecitated. Many thanks. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu >Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson >NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 >Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 >149 (2301) 13th Street |I'm continually amazed by mankind's seemingly >Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA |infinite capacity for stupidity. Me >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >From: "Sandra J. Wald" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:20:36 -0600 >Message-ID: <00e101c3b2d0$ce21d010$55bc5c90 at ads.ssc.wisc.edu> >Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; > micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C3B29E.8298E160" >Subject: [Mailman-Users] wanting to see web interface for mailman >Message: 12 > >Hello, > >Do you have a demo or screen shots for mailman listowner? > >sincerely, >Sandra > >Sandra Wald >SSCC - Helpdesk Coordinator >Rm 4315 Social Science (608) 265-4922 >University of Wisconsin - Madison > >Gandhi: >"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress >can be judged by the way in which its animals are treated." > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From mike at openconcept.ca Tue Nov 25 19:55:49 2003 From: mike at openconcept.ca (Mike Gifford) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:55:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Easy Install Instructions for Mailman and (exim, postfix or sendmail) Message-ID: <1069786549.16591.204.camel@office.openconcept.ca> Hello, I've got a pretty vanilla Red Hat install and am trying to get Mailman set up, but I'm stumbling on getting a mail program up running so that I can receive mail. I've started to install exim (but their docs are overly complicated). Sendmail & postfix were installed, but not properly configured. I've heard about nightmares with sendmail configs. I'd prefer to use an rpm, but red hat doesn't have an exim rpm out there. A year or two ago i set up mailman & exim on another site, but its been too long (and that was a lot of work to set that up at the time). There must be an easier way to do this now. Any pointers would be appreciated.. Mike -- Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting Free Software for Social Change -> http://www.openconcept.ca Stop Cdn Pension Plan War Investments -> http://coat.openconcept.ca/ Another world is not only possible, she is on her way -Arundhati Roy From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Nov 25 20:11:56 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:11:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Easy Install Instructions for Mailman and (exim, postfix or sendmail) In-Reply-To: <1069786549.16591.204.camel@office.openconcept.ca> References: <1069786549.16591.204.camel@office.openconcept.ca> Message-ID: <20031125191156.GS18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Gifford wrote: > I've got a pretty vanilla Red Hat install and am trying to get > Mailman set up, but I'm stumbling on getting a mail program up > running so that I can receive mail. What version of Red Hat? What version of Mailman? > I've started to install exim (but their docs are overly > complicated). Sendmail & postfix were installed, but not properly > configured. I've heard about nightmares with sendmail configs. In recent Red Hat installs, neither sendmail nor postfix are configured by default to accept connections on anything other than the local interface, AFAIK. Postfix has an option, inet_interfaces, that controls this. Sendmail has a setting you can tweak in the sendmail.mc file as well. I'd go with Postfix over Sendmail. It it pretty simple to setup and it's integration with Mailman is excellent. Once you get an MTA running for your site, then install Mailman and read the README.{MTA} file for that MTA from the Mailman tarball or rpm. One note, if you have Red Hat 9, DO NOT use the RPM from there. Get an updated one, the stock Red Hat 9 rpm was borked in several annoying ways that will just make your life more interesting that it needs to be. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. -- Churchill -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/w6l8uv+09NZUB1oRArFAAKDLAuMT0J4+L3DsYfbhip9g61cbtwCgrnov ajjpv/jrrtX14joSgsk/fqE= =A1al -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From allen at lia.ufc.br Tue Nov 25 20:24:53 2003 From: allen at lia.ufc.br (Ranna Rebouças) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:24:53 -0200 (BRST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail and Mailman Message-ID: <46456.200.252.157.100.1069788293.squirrel@webmail.lia.ufc.br> I have install mailman in a machine but my mail server is in a other one. Which configurations should I do? thanks in advance... From Lvellucci at unimet.edu.ve Tue Nov 25 21:14:42 2003 From: Lvellucci at unimet.edu.ve (Luigi Vellucci) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:14:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where I can find these variables? QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME, QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME , QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES Message-ID: <87797A1B483C7F4E8DF98B7CB51685C95F4B@cervantes2.unimet.edu.ve> Can somebody tell me where I can find these variables QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME ,QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME , QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES Thanks in advance From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Nov 25 22:09:40 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 25 Nov 2003 16:09:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman =?ISO-8859-1?Q?don=B4t?= deliver toall the accounts In-Reply-To: <87797A1B483C7F4E8DF98B7CB51685C95F4A@cervantes2.unimet.edu.ve> References: <87797A1B483C7F4E8DF98B7CB51685C95F4A@cervantes2.unimet.edu.ve> Message-ID: <1069794580.3225.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> You are doing same server delivery for all your users... and some of the users are not getting the messages? Look in your logs for your MTA. On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 13:33, Luigi Vellucci wrote: > My list is a private list only the users inside in the same server can post to the list, that means the delivery is in the same server. I haven?t blacklisted anyone and I have 512MB RAM in a two processor server and I still have a little bit of ram and plenty the swap is there another thing that I need to check. I have more than 10Gb in the space where reside the mailman. > > Thanks for your help. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:22 PM > To: Luigi Vellucci > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman don?t deliver toall the accounts > > On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 19:08, Luigi Vellucci wrote: > > Im running RedHat 7.3 with the mailman 2.1.2 installed by a RPM and my MTA is sendmail 8.12. > > > > I dont know what happen I have a list with 1200 accounts and when I sent a email to the list not everyone gets the email. > > > > > > Can you help about what I should check? I created a new list with 5 accounts and everything works fine. > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Luigi. > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Luigi, > > You should check the RAM in your server and make sure that you have aplenty. It could be that your running short during the delivery of your messages. > > There are plenty of other causes to check as well: > - Have you been blacklisted by anyone? > - Is your DNS working properly? > - Are the messages simply queued up waiting to go out to the net? > - Are you having relay problems (what do your MTA logs say)? > - How much space is available on your /var partition? > > Have at it, and have some fun while you do! > > Jon Carnes > > > From pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co Tue Nov 25 23:08:21 2003 From: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co (pchamorro) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:08:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spanish Mailman List Member Manual available! - reviewers needed! Message-ID: <20031125211540.M74765@ingeomin.gov.co> Dear Mailman Users, I finished the Spanish translation of 'GNU Mailman - List Member Manual' written by Terri Oda. If somebody knows about spanish-fluent mailman users, please forward this message to him/her. The translated manual is available in both HTML and PDF formats at the below addresses. I already contacted to the Spanish Internationalization leader, but he seems too busy :(, so, the review of the translation is really needed. Any comment is welcome! Pablo Chamorro C. ---------- Estimados amigos, he traducido al Espa?ol el manual del suscriptor de listas escrito por Terri Oda (GNU Mailman - List Member Manual), que desde ya, espero sea de utilidad para muchas personas. Les agradecer?a mucho si alguien puede revisar la traducci?n. Pese a que hice el trabajo con mucha dedidaci?n y cuidado, ser?a muy saludable si alguien puede darle una leida. Cualquier comentario o sugerencia es bienvenido. html: ingl?s : http://list.org/mailman-member/index.html espa?ol : http://correo.ingeomin.gov.co/listas/suscriptor-mailman/ PDF: ingl?s : http://list.org/mailman-member.pdf espa?ol : http://correo.ingeomin.gov.co/listas/suscriptor-mailman.pdf Parece que el coordinador del proyecto de Internacionalizaci?n de Mailman para Espa?ol anda muy ocupado :(, as? que cualquier ayuda es bienvenida. Muchas gracias, Pablo Chamorro C. -- From hogsett at csl.sri.com Tue Nov 25 23:01:48 2003 From: hogsett at csl.sri.com (Mike Hogsett) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:01:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizing output of newlist aliases Message-ID: <200311252201.hAPM1muK013285@quarter.csl.sri.com> How can I edit the aliases output from the newlist program? I would like to include more specific instructions based on our particular environment. I would like to add things such as added output for additional list aliases on a second mail server, and instructions for creating & editing a procmail file for the list. Thanks, Michael Hogsett From barry at python.org Tue Nov 25 23:16:15 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:16:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Spanish Mailman List Member Manual available! - reviewers needed! In-Reply-To: <20031125211540.M74765@ingeomin.gov.co> References: <20031125211540.M74765@ingeomin.gov.co> Message-ID: <1069798559.23901.1.camel@geddy> On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 17:08, pchamorro wrote: > Dear Mailman Users, > > I finished the Spanish translation of 'GNU Mailman - List Member Manual' > written by Terri Oda. If somebody knows about spanish-fluent mailman users, > please forward this message to him/her. The translated manual is available in > both HTML and PDF formats at the below addresses. > > I already contacted to the Spanish Internationalization leader, but he seems > too busy :(, so, the review of the translation is really needed. I forwarded your message to mailman-i18n at python.org. Once you're happy with the manual, send it to me and I'll add it to Mailman's cvs and make it available on the web site. -Barry From eb5esx at eb5esx.ampr.org Tue Nov 25 23:36:09 2003 From: eb5esx at eb5esx.ampr.org (Ruben Navarro Huedo) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:36:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman + postfix Message-ID: <200311252336.10069.eb5esx@eb5esx.ampr.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello friends: We are having some problems with Postfix + mailman. We have installed sasl with postfix. The problem is that postfix doesn't allow relay to postfix. Have a look at the logs: Nov 25 23:15:03 linux postfix/smtpd[2632]: 958A82C032: reject: RCPT from localhost[127.0.0.1]: 554 : Relay access denied; from= to= proto=ESMTP helo= mynetworks is ok in main.cf: mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 any help? A lot of thank's. - -- Ruben Navarro Huedo email: eb5esx at eb5esx.ampr.org ax25: eb5esx at ea5rke.eaa.esp.eu http://www.cabodesantapola.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/w9lZ0S5G8AO3zN8RAiMIAKCcQok/s94YRiNMzvBT9nbe7LcM3ACdE+kZ OQmrfzpn9uTdAADG7E+GMo8= =KqId -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dee at akwireless.net Wed Nov 26 00:11:54 2003 From: dee at akwireless.net (W.D. McKinney) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:11:54 -0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Illegal list name - Need Help Message-ID: <1069801914.30034.171.camel@papa.wdm.com> Greetings, I had a remote sys admin install mailman on one of our servers today. In trying to create a list it is not lettings us though. Error: Illegal list name: porphyria at bacon Where do I change the config for hostname ? the server is aliased in DNS as lists.akwireless.net also, which I would prefer to use for all lists. Thanks, Dee From chris.a.adams at state.or.us Wed Nov 26 00:22:28 2003 From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:22:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] message duplication across lists? Message-ID: <000b01c3b3aa$fded37a0$0b7a799f@chris> If a person is subscribed to 6 lists and a message is sent out to all 6 lists, is there a way to only send one copy to that subscriber? I know about nodupes for 1 list, but is there something that can be configured globally for all lists? Christopher Adams Library Systems Analyst Oregon State Library 503-378-4243 x258 chris.a.adams at state.or.us From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Nov 26 02:08:53 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 25 Nov 2003 20:08:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizing output of newlist aliases In-Reply-To: <200311252201.hAPM1muK013285@quarter.csl.sri.com> References: <200311252201.hAPM1muK013285@quarter.csl.sri.com> Message-ID: <1069808932.3225.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 17:01, Mike Hogsett wrote: > How can I edit the aliases output from the newlist program? > > I would like to include more specific instructions based on our particular > environment. > > I would like to add things such as added output for additional list > aliases on a second mail server, and instructions for creating & editing a > procmail file for the list. > > Thanks, > > Michael Hogsett > vi /var/mailman/templates/en/newlist.txt - or - vi /var/mailman/bin/newlist Depending on where you want the new information (in the email or printed to the screen when the newlist command is run). enjoy - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Nov 26 02:23:38 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 25 Nov 2003 20:23:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Illegal list name - Need Help In-Reply-To: <1069801914.30034.171.camel@papa.wdm.com> References: <1069801914.30034.171.camel@papa.wdm.com> Message-ID: <1069809817.3225.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 18:11, W.D. McKinney wrote: > Greetings, > > I had a remote sys admin install mailman on one of our servers today. > In trying to create a list it is not lettings us though. > > Error: Illegal list name: porphyria at bacon > > Where do I change the config for hostname ? the server is aliased in DNS > as lists.akwireless.net also, which I would prefer to use for all lists. > > Thanks, > Dee > Well why don't you create a list by using: newlist porphyria at lists.akwireless.net If that doesn't work then call your remote Admin back in and make him add that as a virtual domain (two lines in the config file mm_cfg.py) Jon Carnes From donovan at mail2.beth.k12.pa.us Wed Nov 26 05:11:25 2003 From: donovan at mail2.beth.k12.pa.us (donovan) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:11:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Import tools Message-ID: <9A1C762E-1FC6-11D8-8A66-000A956DCA12@mail2.beth.k12.pa.us> greetings I am looking for tools to import names from a text file into mailman. the names in the file would be the names of the list. Many of these names were aliases, and i want them converted into maillists. Anyone? tips hints and flames all welcome. --jeff From mike at openconcept.ca Wed Nov 26 05:27:49 2003 From: mike at openconcept.ca (Mike Gifford) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:27:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Easy Install Instructions for Mailman and (exim, postfix or sendmail) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1069820869.1299.38.camel@office.openconcept.ca> Howdy Todd, > Mike Gifford wrote: > > I've got a pretty vanilla Red Hat install and am trying to get > > Mailman set up, but I'm stumbling on getting a mail program up > > running so that I can receive mail. > What version of Red Hat? What version of Mailman? RH 8.0 - upgraded with apt-get mailman-2.1.1-4 sendmail-8.12.8-9.90 postfix-1.1.12-1 > > I've started to install exim (but their docs are overly > > complicated). Sendmail & postfix were installed, but not properly > > configured. I've heard about nightmares with sendmail configs. > In recent Red Hat installs, neither sendmail nor postfix are > configured by default to accept connections on anything other than the > local interface, AFAIK. Postfix has an option, inet_interfaces, that > controls this. Sendmail has a setting you can tweak in the > sendmail.mc file as well. Tweaking only works if you know what to touch.. Any pointers? /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > I'd go with Postfix over Sendmail. It it pretty simple to setup and > it's integration with Mailman is excellent. Once you get an MTA > running for your site, then install Mailman and read the README.{MTA} > file for that MTA from the Mailman tarball or rpm. Ok.. well, I've got the source for exim (with make not quite working yet), with sendmail & postfix set up as rpm's.. How do I activate postfix so that this is run.. > One note, if you have Red Hat 9, DO NOT use the RPM from there. Get > an updated one, the stock Red Hat 9 rpm was borked in several annoying > ways that will just make your life more interesting that it needs to > be. I'd like a boring life and a simple install.. :) I'll probably jump to Fedora in a bit.. Mike -- Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting Free Software for Social Change -> http://www.openconcept.ca Stop Cdn Pension Plan War Investments -> http://coat.openconcept.ca/ Another world is not only possible, she is on her way -Arundhati Roy From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Nov 26 05:39:30 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 25 Nov 2003 23:39:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Import tools In-Reply-To: <9A1C762E-1FC6-11D8-8A66-000A956DCA12@mail2.beth.k12.pa.us> References: <9A1C762E-1FC6-11D8-8A66-000A956DCA12@mail2.beth.k12.pa.us> Message-ID: <1069821570.3225.122.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 23:11, donovan wrote: > greetings > > I am looking for tools to import names from a text file into mailman. > > the names in the file would be the names of the list. Many of these > names were aliases, and i want them converted into maillists. > > Anyone? > tips hints and flames all welcome. > > --jeff Look in ~mailman/bin/.. You'll find all the tools you could ever want for syncing up Mailman lists with text files. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp From bcboy at thecraftstudio.com Wed Nov 26 08:15:29 2003 From: bcboy at thecraftstudio.com (Brian Craft) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:15:29 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission denied on archive Message-ID: <20031126071529.GA3195@porky.localdomain> I just went through the INSTALL doc and set up the /pipermail/ alias. The archive links now give me a permission denied error. The permissions on the directories are as shown: drwxrws--- 6 root list 4096 Nov 25 18:05 private drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Nov 25 18:05 public Is this correct? If I add "other" read & execute to the "private" directory, then the archive links works. But I doubt that's the right solution. I don't really understand this private/public directory business and the symbolic links between them. Can someone explain what the goal is? b.c. From sasa at stupar.homelinux.net Wed Nov 26 08:30:42 2003 From: sasa at stupar.homelinux.net (Sasa Stupar) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:30:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Block attachments Message-ID: <3FC456A2.2000303@stupar.homelinux.net> Hi! I am new to mailman. I have installed it and it is working fine. Is there a config to block attachments that were sent to mailing list? Sasa From simon at caperet.com Wed Nov 26 09:43:36 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:43:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup In-Reply-To: <20031125173214.GO18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <15701-87133@sneakemail.com> <20031125173214.GO18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20031126084336.GA30311@mtds.com> 25-Nov-03 at 12:32, Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com) wrote : > > Yes, I saw that, and I followed those instructions, but until I > > changed the ownership of /etc/aliases and /etc/postfix/aliases* > > the wrapper was still being run as gid "nogroup". I think the > > documentation should be changed to also recommend change those > > files to group ownership of mailman. > > I don't think that's required. I know that's not how I have any of my > systems setup and they all work fine with mailman. They are all > running Postfix version 1, but I'd be surprised to find that Postfix 2 > is that much different in this regard. > > You might want to ask about this on the postfix-users list. Someone > there can probably answer more definitively why you're having trouble > getting the wrapper to run under the right gid. I would take a wild > guess that it might have to do with your alias_map and alias_database > settings. Do you have some or all of your mailman aliases in one of > the system alias files or something? The wrapper script will run as the GID that it was compiled to run as; this has nothing whatsoever to do with Postfix. The postfix-users list will just tell you to come back here, I expect. You'll have to recompile Mailman with the correct --with-mail-gid option. The option to give to --with-mail-gid is the group that Postfix runs as... You could choose to be obtuse and recompile Postfix to run as the group nogroup, but I think that could break other stuff in the system that depends on Postfix. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From simon at caperet.com Wed Nov 26 09:48:46 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:48:46 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman + postfix In-Reply-To: <200311252336.10069.eb5esx@eb5esx.ampr.org> References: <200311252336.10069.eb5esx@eb5esx.ampr.org> Message-ID: <20031126084846.GB30311@mtds.com> 25-Nov-03 at 23:36, Ruben Navarro Huedo (eb5esx at eb5esx.ampr.org) wrote : > Hello friends: > We are having some problems with Postfix + mailman. > We have installed sasl with postfix. > The problem is that postfix doesn't allow relay to postfix. > > Have a look at the logs: > > Nov 25 23:15:03 linux postfix/smtpd[2632]: 958A82C032: reject: RCPT from > localhost[127.0.0.1]: 554 : Relay access denied; > from= to= proto=ESMTP > helo= > > mynetworks is ok in main.cf: > > mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 This is a Postfix question. You have not provided enough information to debug the situation. The output of postconf -n would be useful. Also, you have SASL running, so maybe your smtpd_recipient_restrictions are incorrect. This question is best posed to the Postfix list, but you can always try here again, especially if there are related Mailman questions to go with the next post. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From djgury at dholnbass.com Wed Nov 26 14:38:19 2003 From: djgury at dholnbass.com (djgury at dholnbass.com) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:38:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need Help Message-ID: <1069853899.3fc4accbdbd3a@dholnbass.com> I would like some help on Mailman. 1). When I send an email to my entire mailing list, why is it that some people get my email and some don't, I don't even get a bounce back msgs for the email addresses that did not get it. Although I do get bounce back msgs. Is there a setting that or something that I need to recheck. 2). Is there a way I can get a log of all the email addresses that have been delivered and such. Thanks for all the help. From zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com Wed Nov 26 14:57:09 2003 From: zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com (Jeremy Gilbert) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:57:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup Message-ID: <7532-75093@sneakemail.com> > The wrapper script will run as the GID that it was compiled to run as; > this has nothing whatsoever to do with Postfix. > > The postfix-users list will just tell you to come back here, I expect. > > You'll have to recompile Mailman with the correct --with-mail-gid > option. The option to give to --with-mail-gid is the group > that Postfix > runs as... > > You could choose to be obtuse and recompile Postfix to run as > the group > nogroup, but I think that could break other stuff in the system that > depends on Postfix. > > Regards, > > -- > Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. I agree this is how it should work and how I expected it to work, but that is not my experience. I compiled Mailman with the default options, so the gid should have been, by default, mailman. I also compiled Postfix from source with the default options. The only way I have successfully forced the wrapper to be run as gid mailman was to change the system and Postfix aliases files to be owned by gid mailman. I don't know why this is, and I'm not going back to "fix" it now that it works just to find out. I guess it will remain a mystery why my Mailman works this way and almost everyone else's works the way you described. Jeremy Gilbert zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com From pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co Wed Nov 26 14:58:28 2003 From: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co (Pablo Chamorro C.) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:58:28 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] for spanish mailman users/reviewers In-Reply-To: <20031126084846.GB30311@mtds.com> Message-ID: In order to make easier the review of the spanish version of the GNU Mailman - List Subscriber Manual of Terri Oda, I copied the text version at: http:////correo.ingeomin.gov.co/listas/suscriptor-mailman.txt Thanks, Pablo ---------- Para facilitar la revisi?n de la traducci?n del Manual del Suscriptor de Mailman de Terri Oda, acabo de colocar la versi?n en formato de texto: http://correo.ingeomin.gov.co/listas/suscriptor-mailman.txt Muchas gracias, Pablo Chamorro C. -- From simon at caperet.com Wed Nov 26 15:35:15 2003 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:35:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup In-Reply-To: <7532-75093@sneakemail.com> References: <7532-75093@sneakemail.com> Message-ID: <20031126143515.GC5283@mtds.com> 26-Nov-03 at 08:57, Jeremy Gilbert (zhq9eva02 at sneakemail.com) wrote : > > The wrapper script will run as the GID that it was compiled to > > run as; this has nothing whatsoever to do with Postfix. > > > > You'll have to recompile Mailman with the correct --with-mail-gid > > option. The option to give to --with-mail-gid is the group that > > Postfix runs as... > I agree this is how it should work and how I expected it to work, > but that is not my experience. I compiled Mailman with the > default options, so the gid should have been, by default, mailman. > I also compiled Postfix from source with the default options. The > only way I have successfully forced the wrapper to be run as gid > mailman was to change the system and Postfix aliases files to be > owned by gid mailman. I don't know why this is, and I'm not going > back to "fix" it now that it works just to find out. Postfix, by default, would use postdrop as the group for most stuff; this is described in the Postfix install instructions. Mailman, by default, would use the group mailman. However I really think you are going to need to recompile mailman with --with-mail-gid=postdrop or something along those lines. I've not heard of anyone just compiling both Postfix and Mailman with default options and it working. -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Nov 26 15:49:56 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 26 Nov 2003 09:49:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman =?ISO-8859-1?Q?don=B4t?= deliver to all the accounts In-Reply-To: <87797A1B483C7F4E8DF98B7CB51685C95F4C@cervantes2.unimet.edu.ve> References: <87797A1B483C7F4E8DF98B7CB51685C95F4C@cervantes2.unimet.edu.ve> Message-ID: <1069858196.3277.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 09:40, Luigi Vellucci wrote: > Hi sorry to bothering you, but I found in the maillogs that most of the accounts the email didn?t arrive because the stat appear "discarded" there is an example > > Nov 26 08:54:20 cervantes sendmail[5069]: hAQCrY89005069: from=, size=36337, class=-30, nrcpts=496, msgid=<4.3.0.20031126085822.00c5c8a0 at domain.xx.xx>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=Daemon0, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] > > Nov 26 08:54:23 serverxx sendmail[5069]: hAQCrY89005069: to=, delay=00:00:43, pri=14935262, stat=discarded > Nov 26 08:54:23 serverxx sendmail[5069]: hAQCrY89005069: to=, delay=00:00:43, pri=14935262, stat=discarded > Nov 26 08:54:23 serverxx sendmail[5069]: hAQCrY89005069: to=, delay=00:00:43, pri=14935262, stat=discarded > > I don?t know why this is happening right now in the sendmail. > > Do you know something about this strange behavior. > > Thanks, > > Luigi Is "domain.xx.xx" in your /etc/mail/local-host-names file? Are you running an anti-spam or anti-virus program (that is being too aggressive)? Can you send an ordinary email to "user1 at domain.xx.xx"? echo hello |mail -s "test" user1 at domain.xx.xx Good Luck - Jon Carnes > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 5:10 PM > To: Luigi Vellucci > Cc: Mailman-users at python.org > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman don?t deliver toallthe accounts > > You are doing same server delivery for all your users... and some of the users are not getting the messages? Look in your logs for your MTA. > > > On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 13:33, Luigi Vellucci wrote: > > My list is a private list only the users inside in the same server can post to the list, that means the delivery is in the same server. I haven?t blacklisted anyone and I have 512MB RAM in a two processor server and I still have a little bit of ram and plenty the swap is there another thing that I need to check. I have more than 10Gb in the space where reside the mailman. > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:22 PM > > To: Luigi Vellucci > > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman don?t deliver toall the accounts > > > > On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 19:08, Luigi Vellucci wrote: > > > Im running RedHat 7.3 with the mailman 2.1.2 installed by a RPM and my MTA is sendmail 8.12. > > > > > > I dont know what happen I have a list with 1200 accounts and when I sent a email to the list not everyone gets the email. > > > > > > > > > Can you help about what I should check? I created a new list with 5 accounts and everything works fine. > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Luigi. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > __ > > Luigi, > > > > You should check the RAM in your server and make sure that you have aplenty. It could be that your running short during the delivery of your messages. > > > > There are plenty of other causes to check as well: > > - Have you been blacklisted by anyone? > > - Is your DNS working properly? > > - Are the messages simply queued up waiting to go out to the net? > > - Are you having relay problems (what do your MTA logs say)? > > - How much space is available on your /var partition? > > > > Have at it, and have some fun while you do! > > > > Jon Carnes > > > > > > > > > From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Nov 26 16:09:43 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 26 Nov 2003 10:09:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need Help In-Reply-To: <1069853899.3fc4accbdbd3a@dholnbass.com> References: <1069853899.3fc4accbdbd3a@dholnbass.com> Message-ID: <1069859383.3277.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 08:38, djgury at dholnbass.com wrote: > I would like some help on Mailman. > 1). When I send an email to my entire mailing list, why is it that some people > get my email and some don't, I don't even get a bounce back msgs for the email > addresses that did not get it. Although I do get bounce back msgs. Is there a > setting that or something that I need to recheck. > 2). Is there a way I can get a log of all the email addresses that have been > delivered and such. > > Thanks for all the help. Look in the Mailman logs (~mailman/logs/..) Jon Carnes From egd at us.ibm.com Wed Nov 26 17:05:58 2003 From: egd at us.ibm.com (Elizabeth Dunnagan) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:05:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Elizabeth Dunnagan/Raleigh/IBM is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting November 26, 2003 and will not return until December 1, 2003. For emergencies during my absence, please contact Kimberly Brantley for search and IA and Jack Pizzolato for anything else. From tech at cc-ent.net Wed Nov 26 17:38:57 2003 From: tech at cc-ent.net (Liz Marr) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:38:57 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Totally Newby - Virtual Host Problem Message-ID: <000501c3b43b$ca8c2c40$0300a8c0@connection> I'm going to be debugging a Mailman install that has gone bad without much previous "root" experience or Mailman except as a list owner. I have worked with Apache some, but not enough to entirely understand the whole picture. Here are the symptoms - sorry that I don't have the actual files to show. The lists were running on another server, then the service provider upgraded and moved to a new server. The lists quit parsing the virtual domains at that time, but the list control panel was useable enough to be able to insert the IP address of the hosting server under the default URL and then all of the web interface and mail worked fine as it inserted the IP address appropriately. Not too long after that Mailman was updated and then the IP "fix" went away. Now, the web interface resolves to the virtual host when anything is "clicked". I can get to the admin interface for the list I am working with, but whenever I try to make changes, it defaults back to the virtual host - giving me a "file not found" error. I've tried to "hack" it by taking apart the source to get the appropriate CGI string - but it has not happened. I can't change the named host to the IP address because when I click the box it tries to send it through the virtual domain. I did go and try to use a redirect to solve the addressing, but Mailman is run prior to address resolution, so this doesn't work either and the redirect is useless. My goals are the following: 1) Temp solution - locate and change the "host" to the IP address so that links will work correctly (not the best solution) 2) Check all of the alias and virtual host entries and see what need to be changed and make the changes and try to solve it this way. Either solution, here is my problem. What changes need to have a recompile before going into affect, what changes need a program restart, which changes are simply to edit a configuration file where it will be parsed and used automatically, and which changes don't go into effect without a server restart . Here are some of the files that I have researched that I need to check on - can you help me with which will go into effect immediately, which are needing recompile, which need a program restart (and which program) and which need a server restart. As it is a large production server and I'm not where I can actually do the restart, I need to coordinate server restarts with the server owner. Files to configure: httpd.conf /usr/local/etc/exim/configure Mailman/mm_cfg.py Do these changes need to be done each time a virtual domain is added to the server? Is there a variable to make this happen automatically (come to think about it - I haven't debugged to see if this might already be working fine by adding a new domain) Also, do I need to run this program for every existing list on the server? If so, is there a way to batch this? ./bin/withlist -l -r fix_url From bcboy at thecraftstudio.com Wed Nov 26 18:25:02 2003 From: bcboy at thecraftstudio.com (Brian Craft) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:25:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission denied on archive In-Reply-To: <3FC45491.5080305@stupar.homelinux.net> References: <20031126071529.GA3195@porky.localdomain> <3FC45491.5080305@stupar.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <20031126172502.GA1552@porky.localdomain> On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 08:21:53AM +0100, Sasa Stupar wrote: > Brian Craft wrote: > > >I just went through the INSTALL doc and set up the /pipermail/ alias. > >The archive links now give me a permission denied error. > > > >The permissions on the directories are as shown: > > > >drwxrws--- 6 root list 4096 Nov 25 18:05 private > >drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Nov 25 18:05 public > > > >Is this correct? If I add "other" read & execute to the "private" > >directory, then the archive links works. But I doubt that's the > >right solution. > > > >I don't really understand this private/public directory business and the > >symbolic links between them. Can someone explain what the goal is? > > > >b.c. > run bin/check_perms -f to see if you have correct permissions. It reports no problems, but I still get "permission denied" on the archive from apache. b.c. From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Nov 26 18:39:51 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 12:39:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Easy Install Instructions for Mailman and (exim, postfix or sendmail) In-Reply-To: <1069820869.1299.38.camel@office.openconcept.ca> References: <1069820869.1299.38.camel@office.openconcept.ca> Message-ID: <20031126173951.GN18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Gifford wrote: > RH 8.0 - upgraded with apt-get > mailman-2.1.1-4 > sendmail-8.12.8-9.90 > postfix-1.1.12-1 [...] > Tweaking only works if you know what to touch.. True, but I know I've seen that info in either the Red Hat release notes or somewhere else reasonably handy. I haven't run a machine with Sendmail for years, I switched to Postfix after just a few looks at the Sendmail configs. > Any pointers? > /etc/mail/sendmail.mc Yeah, looking at the redhat rpm of sendmail from 7.3, that file contains this: dnl This changes sendmail to only listen on the loopback device 127.0.0.1 dnl and not on any other network devices. Comment this out if you want dnl to accept email over the network. DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA') > How do I activate postfix so that this is run.. Red Hat uses the alternatives system for this. There is an app, redhat-switchmail which will do this for you. You can also just uninstall sendmail and then postfix will become the default MTA if it's installed. To get postfix to accept connections from other than localhost, you need to comment out this line in /etc/postfix/main.cf: inet_interfaces = localhost - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== An election is coming. Universal peace is declared and the foxes have a sincere interest in prolonging the lives of the poultry. -- T.S. Eliot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/xOVmuv+09NZUB1oRAgk2AKD4Ip8xpGJqza63aOyy4jGa0q1yzwCeOPiD aUVy43LJrkvqmFAtS/ReeEE= =jaJS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Nov 26 18:56:40 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 12:56:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup In-Reply-To: <20031126143515.GC5283@mtds.com> References: <7532-75093@sneakemail.com> <20031126143515.GC5283@mtds.com> Message-ID: <20031126175640.GO18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Simon White wrote: > Postfix, by default, would use postdrop as the group for most stuff; > this is described in the Postfix install instructions. > > Mailman, by default, would use the group mailman. > > However I really think you are going to need to recompile mailman > with --with-mail-gid=postdrop or something along those lines. I've > not heard of anyone just compiling both Postfix and Mailman with > default options and it working. I have mailman compiled using --with-mail-gid=mailman and it works fine on the several redhat systems I use it on. Postfix is built using the same options as the rpms shipped from redhat, which means setgid_group=postdrop. Here's a snippet from the local manpage distributed with postfix on how postfix determines what user to run things as: DELIVERY RIGHTS Deliveries to external files and external commands are made with the rights of the receiving user on whose behalf the delivery is made. In the absence of a user context, the local daemon uses the owner rights of the :include: file or alias database. When those files are owned by the superuser, delivery is made with the rights specified with the default_privs configuration parameter. That should explain why you can run mailman compiled using - --with-mail-gid=mailman and have postfix work properly. I think Jeremy's problem was a problem with the alias_maps or alias_database settings. If all the mailman aliases were in ~mailman/data/aliases* and were owned by mailman:mailman, then postfix should have been calling the wrapper with group mailman, as the wrapper was compiled to expect. That it was calling it as nogroup and that Jeremy had to change the perms on the system alias files makes me think that there were some mailman aliases in those files. It's either that or something else is borked on his postfix setup or that I'm still missing something (which is always a distinct possibility). - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== The worth of a state, in the long run, is the worth of the individuals composing it. -- John Stuart Mill -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/xOlYuv+09NZUB1oRAv5IAJ44LtTVN1BEeMlFdJzvmplNe9buwACgnxeq bwWl/pCULXZHyyY8wg/vIew= =H716 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bcboy at thecraftstudio.com Wed Nov 26 19:09:25 2003 From: bcboy at thecraftstudio.com (Brian Craft) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:09:25 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission denied on archive In-Reply-To: References: <20031126071529.GA3195@porky.localdomain> <3FC45491.5080305@stupar.homelinux.net> <20031126172502.GA1552@porky.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031126180925.GA1945@porky.localdomain> On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 11:34:12AM -0600, Dan Phillips wrote: > > On Nov 26, 2003, at 11:25 AM, Brian Craft wrote: > >It reports no problems, but I still get "permission denied" on the > >archive > >from apache. > > > > "Aha!" he said. This is an Apache error, as in "indexing not allowed?" > Are there any posts to the list yet? If not, then there are no > archives, and no index files. If your apache setup prohibits directory > indexing, that would explain this error. If this is the case, send a > post to the list so that there actually IS an archive, then try again. > If I'm completely off base, then ignore everything I've written :-) There is an index file, and I get the same error if I use the full path of the index file, like "http://foo.com/pipermail/mylist/index.html". So I don't think it's a indexing setting. Does anyone understand why these directories are set-gid? I'm still failing to get the big picture in this directory layout. b.c. From evelyn at UDel.Edu Wed Nov 26 19:25:19 2003 From: evelyn at UDel.Edu (Evelyn V. Stevens) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:25:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Spanish Mailman List Member Manual available! - reviewers needed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 "pchamorro" wrote: > > Dear Mailman Users, > > I finished the Spanish translation of 'GNU Mailman - List Member Manual' > written by Terri Oda. If somebody knows about spanish-fluent mailman users, > please forward this message to him/her. The translated manual is available in > both HTML and PDF formats at the below addresses. > > I already contacted to the Spanish Internationalization leader, but he seems > too busy :(, so, the review of the translation is really needed. > > Any comment is welcome! > > Pablo Chamorro C. > > ---------- > Pablo, I can review the translation and have comments back to you early next week (maybe with an Argentine accent, hope you don't mind!). Evelyn Evelyn V. Stevens, Ph.D. E-mail: evelyn at udel.edu Information Technologies-User Services U. of Delaware, Newark, DE 19716 Phone: 302-831-4240 From ScottMRussell at comcast.net Wed Nov 26 19:42:32 2003 From: ScottMRussell at comcast.net (Scott Russell) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:42:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Elizabeth Dunnagan/Raleigh/IBM is out of the office. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200311261342.32731.ScottMRussell@comcast.net> On Wednesday 26 November 2003 11:05 am, Elizabeth Dunnagan wrote: > I will be out of the office starting November 26, 2003 and will not return > until December 1, 2003. fyi IBM'ers, Notes has a facility that permits you to NOT bombard all the lists to which you subscribe with away notifications. From the same place you set your 'Out of Office' time off ('Action' -> 'Tools' -> 'Out of Office'), select the 'Exceptions' tab. You can elect not to reply to any internet addresses or be specific by 'from', 'to' or 'subject phrase'. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scott Russell (master javist) pgp Key fingerprint = 63 7C BE 5F EE BA 46 15 46 EC A6 6C 79 B4 63 74 Registered Linux user: 308705 see http://counter.li.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From og at digimark.net Wed Nov 26 20:06:46 2003 From: og at digimark.net (Gary Goldberg) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:06:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.13/Sendmail/the Python "mm-handler" like patch vs. "User unknown" Message-ID: [the following is looong but has lots of supporting docs...] [BACKGROUND] Hello. I am trying to implement a dedicated Mailman system on a RedHat 9 server. I really want to get this working, but I am having some problems with "User unknown". The software revs involved include Mailman 2.13, Sendmail 8.12.8-9.90 (from patched RPM), the mm-handler contrib, MIMEDefang 2.38, SpamAssassin 2.60, Razor 2.36 and all the required perl modules. Except for sendmail, everything was compiled from source. Mailman is installed in /home/mailman, varprefix is /var/mailman, and cgi-gid = "apache", mail-gid = "mail". (I have suexec running on this apache 2.0.40 (RPM) webserver, but no SuexecUserGroup line for the mailman virtual site.) The mailman URL is "http://lists.digimark.net/mailman/listinfo". The mail domain is lists.digimark.net and this is dedicated to the installation. I am also setting up "lists.snpp.com" in the same system. [The PROBLEM] The problem is that every message to the system is being rejected with a "User unknown" message. Specifically: Nov 26 03:27:48 cello sendmail[20336]: hAQ8RlUt020336: ... User unknown Nov 26 03:27:48 cello sendmail[20336]: hAQ8RlUt020336: from=, size=1609, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=mailsrv1.tranzpeer.net [202.180.66.207] (simpsons-l is one of the lists in lists.snpp.com, but it is doing it for all lists.) >From tests and logs, it appears that Sendmail is configured OK, Mailman is installed and running fine, SpamAsssassin, MIMEDefang etc are all working. I've implemented the mm-handler contrib -- mm-handler is installed in /etc/mail and is executable, the MM variables in the script are set $MMWRAPPER = "/home/mailman/mail/mailman"; $MMLISTDIR = "/var/mailman/lists"; $SENDMAIL = "/usr/lib/sendmail -oem -oi"; $VERSION = '$Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $'; Since this wasn't making the right connection between sendmail and mm-handler, I started installing the Python patch from patch #644810, but got stopped after applying both the existstatus and mailer patches, because I couldn't find the replacment proto.m4.patch to apply. I need to stay with this installation, can anyone offer help? Thanks in advance. -Gary [CONFIGURATION] /etc/mail/mailertable is lists.digimark.net mailman:lists.digimark.net /etc/mail/access is lists.digimark.net RELAY /etc/mail/local-host-names includes lists.digimark.net, mailman's /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py has these changes (Defaults.py unchanged): DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.digimark.net' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.digimark.net' VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) add_virtualhost('lists.snpp.com', 'lists.snpp.com') add_virtualhost('reactor.snpp.com', 'reactor.snpp.com') add_virtualhost('lists.rrlc.org', 'lists.rrlc.org') # Because we are using the contrib'd mm-handler for Sendmail. MTA = None # define alternate SMTP port SMTPPORT = 3333 and I added this startup command to /etc/init.d/sendmail: # Start extra run of sendmail for mailman defer queue on port 3333. /usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -ODeliveryMode=defer \ -ODaemonPortOptions=Name=MSA,Port=3333,M=E,Addr=127.0.0.1 The machine's sendmail.mc file is as follows: include(`/usr/share/sendmail-cf/m4/cf.m4')dnl VERSIONID(`@(#)digimark.mc 8.12.10 (DigiMark) 10/08/2003')dnl OSTYPE(linux)dnl DOMAIN(generic)dnl FEATURE(`limited_masquerade') FEATURE(`always_add_domain')dnl FEATURE(`use_cw_file')dnl FEATURE(`use_ct_file')dnl FEATURE(`nouucp',`reject')dnl FEATURE(`redirect')dnl FEATURE(`relay_entire_domain')dnl FEATURE(`smrsh',`/usr/sbin/smrsh')dnl FEATURE(`mailertable')dnl FEATURE(`virtusertable')dnl FEATURE(`access_db',`hash -T -o /etc/mail/access.db')dnl FEATURE(`local_procmail',`',`procmail -t -Y -a $h -d $u')dnl FEATURE(`blacklist_recipients')dnl MASQUERADE_AS(`lists.digimark.net')dnl INPUT_MAIL_FILTER(`mimedefang',`S=unix:/var/spool/mimedefang/mimedefang.sock,F=T,T=S:360s;R:360s;E:15m') TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`CRAM-MD5 DIGEST-MD5 PLAIN LOGIN')dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1,Name=MTA')dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Post=smtp,Addr=65.37.199.195,Name=MTA')dnl define(`ALIAS_FILE',`/etc/mail/aliases,/etc/mail/lists')dnl define(`PROCMAIL_MAILER_PATH',`/usr/bin/procmail')dnl define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS',`CRAM-MD5 DIGEST-MD5 PLAIN LOGIN')dnl define(`confCOPY_ERRORS_TO',`postmaster')dnl define(`confDELIVERY_MODE',`background')dnl define(`confDONT_PROBE_INTERFACES',`True')dnl define(`confEBINDIR',`/etc/smrsh')dnl define(`confMAX_DAEMON_CHILDREN',`50')dnl define(`confMAX_QUEUE_CHILDREN',`25')dnl define(`confMIN_FREE_BLOCKS',`1000')dnl define(`confTO_QUEUEWARN',`1d')dnl define(`confDEF_USER_ID',``8:12'')dnl define(`confTRUSTED_USER',`smmsp')dnl MAILER(`local')dnl MAILER(`smtp')dnl MAILER(`procmail')dnl dnl By default, sendmail applies virtusertable mapping, if at all, for dnl all interfaces for which it accepts mail -- i.e., all domains in dnl $=w. Mm-handler relies on your having a single domain (hostname) dnl that serves only lists, with no users. To avoid potential namespace dnl conflicts, you need not to have this list domain included in $=w. dnl As a result, virtuser mapping does not apply for the Mailman dnl list domain. However, you can pre-empt this rule by defining dnl $={VirtHost}: if there are domains in this class, they will be dnl mapped before $=w is mapped. VIRTUSER_DOMAIN() defines this class. VIRTUSER_DOMAIN(`lists.digimark.net lists.snpp.com')dnl dnl dnl Our Mailman-specific local mailer. dnl MAILER_DEFINITIONS #################################### ### New Mailer specifications ### #################################### ## Special flags! See ## http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/doc8.10/op-sh-5.html#sh-5.4 ## Note especially the absence of the "m" and "n" flags. THIS IS ## IMPORTANT: mm-handler assumes this behavior to avoid having to know ## too much about address parsing and other RFC-2822 mail details. Mmailman, P=/etc/mail/mm-handler, F=rDFMhlqSu, U=mail:mail, S=EnvFromL, R=EnvToL/HdrToL, A=mm-handler $h $u [END] -- "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." - Anais Nin Gary Goldberg KA3ZYW V:301/249-6501 F:301/390-1955 AIM:OgGreeb Digital Marketing/Bowie MD/Systems & Networks Consult From jb at level7.ro Wed Nov 26 20:15:09 2003 From: jb at level7.ro (Szederyesi Iosif) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:15:09 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newsletter Message-ID: <91ED50165667D211BDB900A0240B1929018006BD@ls.intranet> Hello, I have a question regarding the functionality of the Mailman application... Presuming this situation: I want to use Mailman for a newsletter on my site. As an administrator, I can add a new user to the newsletter list. When I want to send the weekly e-mail, I will send a single e-mail to the mailing list, which will send the message to all subscribed users. I need to configure Mailman to accept e-mails only from the administrator...so, the subscribed users cannot send e-mail to the mailing list. Is this possible? If yes, what should I set in the Mailman's configuration? The Mailman is installed on the server where my site is hosted. I don't have root access to install/modify anything on this server... Thanks in advance, JB From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Nov 26 20:21:31 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:21:31 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission denied on archive In-Reply-To: <20031126172502.GA1552@porky.localdomain> References: <20031126071529.GA3195@porky.localdomain> <3FC45491.5080305@stupar.homelinux.net> <20031126172502.GA1552@porky.localdomain> Message-ID: On 26 Nov 2003, at 17:25, Brian Craft wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 08:21:53AM +0100, Sasa Stupar wrote: >> Brian Craft wrote: >> >>> I just went through the INSTALL doc and set up the /pipermail/ alias. >>> The archive links now give me a permission denied error. >>> >>> The permissions on the directories are as shown: >>> >>> drwxrws--- 6 root list 4096 Nov 25 18:05 private >>> drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Nov 25 18:05 public >>> These are not correct the permissions for the $prefix/archives/private directory which should be: drwxrws--x 6 root list 4096 Nov 25 18:05 private Without other having execute permission on $prefix/archives/private, symlinks in $prefix/archives/public, accessed via the /pipermail/ URI, cannot be followed by the Apache server. This is the cause of the permissions failure you are seeing. Apapche also must have +FollowSymLinks on the Options directive applicable to $prefix/archives/public. >>> Is this correct? If I add "other" read & execute to the "private" >>> directory, then the archive links works. But I doubt that's the >>> right solution. >>> You do not need to open up read permission to other on $prefix/archives/private. This will allow anybody with access to the command line of your system to read private archives, which may or may not be acceptable to you. >>> I don't really understand this private/public directory business and >>> the >>> symbolic links between them. Can someone explain what the goal is? >>> With the private/public directory setup, list archives can be changed from private to public and vice versa by simply adding and deleting symlinks in the $prefix/archives/public directory to subdirectories in the $prefix/archives/private directory. This is what happens when you change the public/private archiving option through the web admin GUI. >>> b.c. >> run bin/check_perms -f to see if you have correct permissions. > > It reports no problems, Maybe it should. I'll take a look at the check_perms code. Another question is how the $prefix/archives/private directory got created with the wrong permissions during the installation. How did you install MM and what version are you running on what OS. > but I still get "permission denied" on the archive > from apache. > > b.c. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Nov 26 20:38:52 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:38:52 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission denied on archive In-Reply-To: References: <20031126071529.GA3195@porky.localdomain> <3FC45491.5080305@stupar.homelinux.net> <20031126172502.GA1552@porky.localdomain> Message-ID: <29F3ACAA-2048-11D8-8CA9-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On 26 Nov 2003, at 19:21, Richard Barrett wrote: > > On 26 Nov 2003, at 17:25, Brian Craft wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 08:21:53AM +0100, Sasa Stupar wrote: >>> Brian Craft wrote: >>> >>>> I just went through the INSTALL doc and set up the /pipermail/ >>>> alias. >>>> The archive links now give me a permission denied error. >>>> >>>> The permissions on the directories are as shown: >>>> >>>> drwxrws--- 6 root list 4096 Nov 25 18:05 private >>>> drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Nov 25 18:05 public >>>> > > These are not correct the permissions for the $prefix/archives/private > directory which should be: > > drwxrws--x 6 root list 4096 Nov 25 18:05 private > > Without other having execute permission on $prefix/archives/private, > symlinks in $prefix/archives/public, accessed via the /pipermail/ URI, > cannot be followed by the Apache server. This is the cause of the > permissions failure you are seeing. Apapche also must have > +FollowSymLinks on the Options directive applicable to > $prefix/archives/public. > >>>> Is this correct? If I add "other" read & execute to the "private" >>>> directory, then the archive links works. But I doubt that's the >>>> right solution. >>>> > > You do not need to open up read permission to other on > $prefix/archives/private. The following point is, of course, complete nonsense. Sorry about that. > This will allow anybody with access to the command line of your system > to read private archives, which may or may not be acceptable to you. > >>>> I don't really understand this private/public directory business >>>> and the >>>> symbolic links between them. Can someone explain what the goal is? >>>> > > With the private/public directory setup, list archives can be changed > from private to public and vice versa by simply adding and deleting > symlinks in the $prefix/archives/public directory to subdirectories in > the $prefix/archives/private directory. This is what happens when you > change the public/private archiving option through the web admin GUI. > >>>> b.c. >>> run bin/check_perms -f to see if you have correct permissions. >> >> It reports no problems, > > Maybe it should. I'll take a look at the check_perms code. Another > question is how the $prefix/archives/private directory got created > with the wrong permissions during the installation. How did you > install MM and what version are you running on what OS. > >> but I still get "permission denied" on the archive >> from apache. >> >> b.c. >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co Wed Nov 26 21:24:15 2003 From: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co (Pablo Chamorro C.) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:24:15 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] pass_mime_types - server or client side solution? Message-ID: I want to allow only certain types of files for the lists. Ok, I'm using pass_mime_types including lines like these: text/plain application/pdf application/msword application/vnd.ms-excel I was testing and I noted that it works different according to the email client. For example, an excel file sent from an old Netscape is stripped out by Mailman, but from Open Webmail or from Pine it passes! Is there some solution on the server/Mailman side in order to allow certain files based on its extension no matter the mime type? Thanks, Pablo Chamorro C. -- From pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co Wed Nov 26 21:36:34 2003 From: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co (Pablo Chamorro C.) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:36:34 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to strip 'doble extension' attachs? Message-ID: I have Postfix + Procmail as LDA, but with Mailman, I'm noting that the rules from /etc/procmailrc are skipped, am'I? In that file I have a rule for stripping 'doble extension' files. Can I achieve the same effect from Mailman? How? Thanks, Pablo Chamorro C. -- From mike at openconcept.ca Thu Nov 27 04:06:08 2003 From: mike at openconcept.ca (Mike Gifford) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:06:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Easy Install Instructions for Mailman and (exim, postfix or sendmail) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1069902368.3135.34.camel@office.openconcept.ca> Todd wrote: > Mike Gifford wrote: > > RH 8.0 - upgraded with apt-get > > mailman-2.1.1-4 > > sendmail-8.12.8-9.90 > > postfix-1.1.12-1 > [...] > > Tweaking only works if you know what to touch.. > True, but I know I've seen that info in either the Red Hat release > notes or somewhere else reasonably handy. I haven't run a machine > with Sendmail for years, I switched to Postfix after just a few looks > at the Sendmail configs. Yeah.. I've strugled with exim & never tried sendmail.. > > Any pointers? > > /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > Yeah, looking at the redhat rpm of sendmail from 7.3, that file > contains this: > dnl This changes sendmail to only listen on the loopback device 127.0.0.1 > dnl and not on any other network devices. Comment this out if you want > dnl to accept email over the network. > DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA') Looks like this would comment it out: dnl # DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl Restarted it and wow.. It worked! Thanks! > > How do I activate postfix so that this is run.. > Red Hat uses the alternatives system for this. There is an app, > redhat-switchmail which will do this for you. You can also just > uninstall sendmail and then postfix will become the default MTA if > it's installed. I could find it in the gui.. Just had lost the text version... > To get postfix to accept connections from other than localhost, you > need to comment out this line in /etc/postfix/main.cf: > inet_interfaces = localhost I've switched that to all, if I need to try to switch to postfix.. For right now I'll try to get mailman running with sendmail. Appreciate your help todd. Mike -- Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting Free Software for Social Change -> http://www.openconcept.ca Stop Cdn Pension Plan War Investments -> http://coat.openconcept.ca/ Another world is not only possible, she is on her way -Arundhati Roy From andy at strugglers.net Thu Nov 27 07:20:19 2003 From: andy at strugglers.net (Andy Smith) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 06:20:19 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] URLs incorrect on private mailing list archive index pages Message-ID: <20031127062019.GH24304@lug.org.uk> Hi, I just moved a bunch of lists running under Mailman 2.0.8 on Linux over to Mailman 2.1.3 on FreeBSD. After following the INSTALL and UPGRADING notes almost everything seems to have gone well, except for the private list archives. When I go to http://lists.example.com/private/listname/ I get the archive by-month overview page as expected, but the links miss out the list name and do not work. For example, one link might be http://lists.example.com/private/2003-November/thread.html when I expect the list name between the "/private/" and the "/2003-November". Public lists seem to be unaffected and are still perfectly navigable via the /pipermail URL. When moving these lists from one installation to another all I did was move the private/listname.mbox directories and then run "bin/arch listname" for each list. Hopefully someone will have some idea what I have missed here. A quick search of the archives of this list didn't show anything hopeful, but if I didn't look hard enough I'm sorry; please give me the URL. If you need any more information, please ask! Regards, Andy From tech at kennedy.edu.hk Thu Nov 27 07:22:37 2003 From: tech at kennedy.edu.hk (Damar Thapa, ICT Technician) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:22:37 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 questions about mailman Message-ID: <002001c3b4ae$da6d4810$e601000a@ICTTECH> Hi, I just completed mailman installation under RH9.0, and seems it is working fine. While I go through the documentations, I would like to ask the list the following questions: 1. Not all our list users are capable of going to the list URL and subscribe to the list. Can List Manager/Administrator simply put the list of email addresses as subscribers? If possible,how and where it can be done? 2. As a school, we would like to keep some of our lists within our domain (subscriptions to be allowed only from our school email addresses!). Is it possible? Any pointers would be highly appreciated. Regards, Damar Thapa ICT Technician, Kennedy School _________________________________________________ From andy at strugglers.net Thu Nov 27 07:27:54 2003 From: andy at strugglers.net (Andy Smith) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 06:27:54 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] URLs incorrect on private mailing list archive index pages In-Reply-To: <20031127062019.GH24304@lug.org.uk> References: <20031127062019.GH24304@lug.org.uk> Message-ID: <20031127062754.GI24304@lug.org.uk> On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 06:20:19AM +0000, Andy Smith wrote: > When I go to http://lists.example.com/private/listname/ I get the > archive by-month overview page as expected, but the links miss out > the list name and do not work. For example, one link might be > http://lists.example.com/private/2003-November/thread.html when I > expect the list name between the "/private/" and the > "/2003-November". Okay, I just noticed something. What I said above is not completely true; it only happens when I go to http://lists.example.com/private/listname (note no trailing slash!). I guess I was trying to be too clever and going directly to what I thought was the archive index without using the link provided on the listinfo page. I can look up some mod_rewrite incantation but if anyone has a few minutes to tell me the best way to automatically redirect one to the other in apache 1.3.28 I would be appreciative. I know this will bug me until I do that. Apologies for the premature bug report! From mike at openconcept.ca Thu Nov 27 16:21:36 2003 From: mike at openconcept.ca (Mike Gifford) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:21:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Easy Install Instructions for Mailman and (exim, postfix or sendmail) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1069946495.1554.114.camel@office.openconcept.ca> Hello, I did manage to get mailman set up to run with sendmail & wanted to report back to the list on what was useful. First, Todd's advice to comment out the DAEMON_OPTIONS in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc dnl # DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl (Two comments on this - what an odd way to comment out something and also, the inline instructions in the rpm aren't all that clear - "Remove the loopback dnl # address restriction to accept email from the internet or intranet." - why not just say comment out the line below???) I also kept looking for setup/install instructions within the Mailman Documentation list here (doesn't seem to be an option): http://www.list.org/docs.html Searching the whole faq here though provided some very useful info: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all These were particularly helpful: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#5.5 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#1.7 I did try exim & postfix, but couldn't get either to work.. Mike -- Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting Free Software for Social Change -> http://www.openconcept.ca Stop Cdn Pension Plan War Investments -> http://coat.openconcept.ca/ Another world is not only possible, she is on her way -Arundhati Roy From tietse at eventyrreiser.no Wed Nov 26 10:48:00 2003 From: tietse at eventyrreiser.no (Tietse Stelma) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:48:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about mailing list set up Message-ID: <000e01c3b402$614df8a0$0400a8c0@nepal> Hi, How do I prevent the list address to be shown in the Too: field when members receive the message? Kind regards, Tietse Stelma From florian at teamx.ch Wed Nov 26 14:21:29 2003 From: florian at teamx.ch (florian at teamx.ch) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:21:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members with RH 8 RPM Message-ID: <200311261321.hAQDLTMQ013035@localhost.localdomain> Hello This is my first step with the Mailinglist. - I have try it to install mailman with the RPM mailman-2.0.13-3.i386.rpm - My system ist RedHat 8.0 whit sendmail My problem is: The installation was succsesfully. /var/mailman/bin/check_perms was succsesfully. The admin Web-Page is ready. When i join a new Member, then he become a Mail. The maillog ist also ok. But when i send a Mail to the Maillist-Adress it doesn\'t works and the Mail going in the root Inbox. No mail going out to lists members! Can anybody help me? Sorry for my bad english thx Florian From dwkroeze at onetelnet.nl Thu Nov 27 09:17:57 2003 From: dwkroeze at onetelnet.nl (Detlef Kroeze) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:17:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman Message-ID: Hello, I have a question concerning Mailman. I have created a mailinglist with 35 users. The users very offen receive an errormessage that they are not allowed to post to the mailinglist, althought there emailadres is correct. I tried to solve this to allow non-members to post but the message stil comes (not always) - I use mailman 2.1.2 - I didn't install the code myself, it was an option in my cpanel. - i do not have shell access so i can't install it myself. Any suggestions? Regards, Detlef Kroeze The Netherlands email : dwkroeze at onetelnet.nl From n7zib at rtconnect.net Thu Nov 27 18:13:31 2003 From: n7zib at rtconnect.net (Scott Berry) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mailman-Users] having trouble getting mailman to work correctly on Debian Message-ID: Hi there list, I am having some trouble setting up mailman on a Debian system with kernel 2.4.22 with Speakup a screen reader for Linux included in the kernel. I am very new to Linux and think I can handle this I read the documentation but I am getting lost as to put what where. If someone would be kind enough to help me off list I would appreciate it. Thanks much. Scott Berry From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Thu Nov 27 18:24:34 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:24:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Easy Install Instructions for Mailman and (exim, postfix or sendmail) In-Reply-To: <1069946495.1554.114.camel@office.openconcept.ca> References: <1069946495.1554.114.camel@office.openconcept.ca> Message-ID: <20031127172434.GD18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Gifford wrote: > I did manage to get mailman set up to run with sendmail Cool. > & wanted to report back to the list on what was useful. First, > Todd's advice to comment out the DAEMON_OPTIONS in > /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > > dnl # DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl > > (Two comments on this - what an odd way to comment out something and > also, the inline instructions in the rpm aren't all that clear - > "Remove the loopback dnl # address restriction to accept email from > the internet or intranet." - why not just say comment out the line > below???) Perhaps they wanted to be obfuscated like the rest of Sendmail? ;) > I also kept looking for setup/install instructions within the Mailman > Documentation list here (doesn't seem to be an option): > http://www.list.org/docs.html The docs to read are in the mailman tarball and for Red Hat packaged RPMS are installed in /usr/share/doc/mailman-$version/. They usually install a README.REDHAT file that details the few steps you need to take in addition to installing the rpm, which does try to do much of the work for you. It's still good to read the INSTALL, README, and the README's for the MTA you're using. > I did try exim & postfix, but couldn't get either to work.. At least you have it going. To me, the nicest thing about using postfix with mailman is the integration. All the aliases will get added to your alias file automatically, which saves you the hassle of manually adding them and running newaliases. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Relying on government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds. -- John Barlow, co-founder of EFF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/xjNSuv+09NZUB1oRApvIAKCXpSiERc0hpHzeL4jkyuCcAT6iPgCg2+oa U9xd+sxSXbTYbYC6mpxsHz8= =mZtv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Thu Nov 27 18:29:08 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:29:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members with RH 8 RPM In-Reply-To: <200311261321.hAQDLTMQ013035@localhost.localdomain> References: <200311261321.hAQDLTMQ013035@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031127172908.GE18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 florian at teamx.ch wrote: > - I have try it to install mailman with the RPM mailman-2.0.13-3.i386.rpm > - My system ist RedHat 8.0 whit sendmail > > My problem is: > The installation was succsesfully. > /var/mailman/bin/check_perms was succsesfully. > The admin Web-Page is ready. > When i join a new Member, then he become a Mail. > The maillog ist also ok. > > But when i send a Mail to the Maillist-Adress it doesn\'t works and > the Mail going in the root Inbox. No mail going out to lists > members! Did you add the aliases for the list you created to the aliases file and run newaliases? - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Judge a man by his questions rather than by his answers. -- Voltaire -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/xjRkuv+09NZUB1oRAsxkAKC2MrVaLRIklvKmjZDRgC5iTed7qgCeMUgj Pc0uOgIobVNYikaGAO1eySU= =Njye -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gordon at physics.queensu.ca Thu Nov 27 22:30:20 2003 From: gordon at physics.queensu.ca (Gordon Campbell) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:30:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems moving lists from old to new server Message-ID: <1069968619.4152.23.camel@torquil.phy.queensu.ca> Afternoon all. I'm the process of upgrading our main departmental server from an old and crotchety Sparc Server 10 to a nice dual-Athloon redhat box and have run into a minor glitch in moving mailman. I have sucessfully moved the lists over and and everything appears to be there except in the web interface side of things: the list of lists refuses to re-populate. I cannot get the list on either the admin script page or the listinfo page. Have I missed a command in the upgrade process? Cheers, .....G -- ***************************************************** ** Gordon Campbell ** ** Computer Systems Administrator ** ** Department of Physics, Queen's University ** ** Kingston, Ontario K7L 3N6 ** ** (613) 533-6000 x74781 ** ** gordon at physics.queensu.ca ** ** perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2), \ ** ** sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' ** ***************************************************** From fuzzy at pooh.ASARian.org Thu Nov 27 22:50:43 2003 From: fuzzy at pooh.ASARian.org (Fuzzy) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:50:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman still fails after upgrading to version: 2.2a0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Problem solved. After updating, I was able to run "list_members" on all of the lists accept one. The one that failed still caused a traceback. Logged on as mailman user, I did a cd to .../var/lists/[listname] and then found config.pck and config.pck.last, after copying config.pck.last to config.pck; list_config, list_members and list_lists now work as expected. I'm thinking that I should run list_config for all the lists to produce an ascii config file to repair with? thanks again :) fuzzy On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Fuzzy wrote: > > FreeBSD 4.7-release > Mailman 2.2a0 (from CVS) > Python 2.2.1 > Sendmail 8.12.6 > Apache 1.3.23 > > A few of the lists now can be listed with list_members, > list_lists still returns this error... > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 219, in ? > main() > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 149, in main > mlist = MailList.MailList(listname) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 126, in __init__ > self.Lock() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 163, in Lock > self.Load() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 590, in Load > dict, e = self.__load(file) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 563, in __load > dict = loadfunc(fp) > cPickle.UnpicklingError: member is not safe for unpickling > > Is there anyway to repair or regenerate the .pck files > so normal service will work again? > > thanks > > From dee at akwireless.net Thu Nov 27 23:53:49 2003 From: dee at akwireless.net (W.D. McKinney) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 13:53:49 -0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To in header issue Message-ID: <1069973629.1898.90.camel@papa.wdm.com> Thanks to some excellent help I now have MailMan working with one of my servers. What I am wondering is to how to stop the "A terse phrase identifying this list." text from the General Options Admin URL from appending itself to the Reply-To in the message header ? It looks like this: Reply-To: This is a list for people with Porphyria. Friends, families and caregivers are welcome. Message-ID: <003e01c3b542$96483750$e601000a@ICTTECH> Hi Chris, Thanks for your very helpful answers; both answers were what I was trying to find. Damar ----- Original Message ----- From: McKeever Chris To: mailman-users at python.org ; ICT Technician @prupref.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 2 questions about mailman On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:22 , Damar Thapa, ICT Technician sent: >Hi, > >I just completed mailman installation under RH9.0, and seems it is working fine. While I go through the documentations, I would like to ask the list the following questions: > >1. Not all our list users are capable of going to the list URL and subscribe to the list. Can List Manager/Administrator simply put the list of email addresses as subscribers? If possible,how and where it can be done? not sure what you are speaking of, can you rephrase..do you mean entering it in as one big list? yes, mass subscrption > >2. As a school, we would like to keep some of our lists within our domain (subscriptions to be allowed only from our school email addresses!). Is it possible? you can use regular expressions to limit the domain names that are allowed to subscribe (privacy options->subscription rules) > ------------------------------------------- Chris McKeever If you want to reply directly to me, please use cgmckeever--at--prupref---dot---com http://www.prupref.com ---- Prudential Preferred Properties www.prupref.com ___________________________________________________________ Kennedy School http://www.kennedy.edu.hk/ uses MessageLabs Skyscan service in the war against all computer viruses. This email has been scanned. http://www.messagelabs.com ___________________________________________________________ From tech at kennedy.edu.hk Fri Nov 28 01:30:12 2003 From: tech at kennedy.edu.hk (Damar Thapa, ICT Technician) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:30:12 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 questions about mailman References: <200311272303.hARN3F928002@smtp1.prupref.com> <003e01c3b542$96483750$e601000a@ICTTECH> Message-ID: <00dc01c3b546$c90286b0$e601000a@ICTTECH> Hi, But, looking at the privacy options->subscription rules, I have one more question. There I only show "List of addresses which are banned from membership in this mailing list. (Details for ban_list)" field. Where can I use regular expressions to limit the domain names that are allowed to subscribe? I only have to allow one Domain. And what is regular expression? Thanks, Damar ----- Original Message ----- From: Damar Thapa, ICT Technician To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 2 questions about mailman Hi Chris, Thanks for your very helpful answers; both answers were what I was trying to find. Damar ----- Original Message ----- From: McKeever Chris To: mailman-users at python.org ; ICT Technician @prupref.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 2 questions about mailman On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:22 , Damar Thapa, ICT Technician sent: >Hi, > >I just completed mailman installation under RH9.0, and seems it is working fine. While I go through the documentations, I would like to ask the list the following questions: > >1. Not all our list users are capable of going to the list URL and subscribe to the list. Can List Manager/Administrator simply put the list of email addresses as subscribers? If possible,how and where it can be done? not sure what you are speaking of, can you rephrase..do you mean entering it in as one big list? yes, mass subscrption > >2. As a school, we would like to keep some of our lists within our domain (subscriptions to be allowed only from our school email addresses!). Is it possible? you can use regular expressions to limit the domain names that are allowed to subscribe (privacy options->subscription rules) > ------------------------------------------- Chris McKeever If you want to reply directly to me, please use cgmckeever--at--prupref---dot---com http://www.prupref.com ---- Prudential Preferred Properties www.prupref.com ___________________________________________________________ Kennedy School http://www.kennedy.edu.hk/ uses MessageLabs Skyscan service in the war against all computer viruses. This email has been scanned. http://www.messagelabs.com ___________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: tech at kennedy.edu.hk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/tech%40kennedy.edu.hk ___________________________________________________________ Kennedy School http://www.kennedy.edu.hk/ uses MessageLabs Skyscan service in the war against all computer viruses. This email has been scanned. http://www.messagelabs.com ___________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________ Kennedy School http://www.kennedy.edu.hk/ uses MessageLabs Skyscan service in the war against all computer viruses. This email has been scanned. http://www.messagelabs.com ___________________________________________________________ From tech-mail at prupref.com Fri Nov 28 17:21:41 2003 From: tech-mail at prupref.com (McKeever Chris) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:21:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 questions about mailman Message-ID: <200311281621.hASGLf930346@smtp1.prupref.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031128/c9a98b76/attachment.asc From paul at thcwd.com Fri Nov 28 19:29:26 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:29:26 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Web interface to mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20031128115517.08488ef8@mail.thcwd.com> At 02:25 PM 11/21/2003, you wrote: >I'm wondering if there is some software that is a web interface to a gnu >mailman mailing list that would allow people to log in and send/read >messages to the list.. and mailman would of course retain its original >functionality where users could do everything from their email client as >well. Davy, I've been working on this since last Christmas. I have a prototype that is running some lists on my server, but I'm still trying to work out some minor problems and inconveniences. I intend to make the modifications available at some point, but I am going to have to extract the changes for the web interface from the other modifications I've made. The former does not change any of Mailman's python files, the latter do. I've got a test list at http://svr01.thcwd.com/mailman/listinfo/mm-p-f-a - feel free to join it and play around a bit. It's currently inactive, but there are some beta testes subbed. There are a few improvements/changes I've made to production lists that are not here yet, but you will get the idea. <>< Paul From pvmailman at nekophile.com Fri Nov 28 21:25:32 2003 From: pvmailman at nekophile.com (pvmailman at nekophile.com) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:25:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Easy Install Instructions for Mailman and postfix or sendmail) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > At least you have it going. To me, the nicest thing about using > postfix with mailman is the integration. All the aliases will get > added to your alias file automatically, which saves you the hassle of > manually adding them and running newaliases. This is precisely the thing I can't get to work using the instructions provided under fedora. If I edit the /etc/postfix/aliases file and run newaliases, everything's fine. My postfix main.cf contains: alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases If I cat the /var/mailman/data/aliases file, the aliases created in the web interface are being added to it. However, when I contact list.test at nekophile.com, I get a "user unknown in local recipient table" error (within pine). This is after having changed "Host name this list prefers for email" from mail.nekophile.com to nekophile.com. What's more, if I mail to list.test at mail.nekophile.com, postfix sends me a msg titled " Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender" indicating: " Final-Recipient: rfc822; list.test at mail.nekophile.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail for mail.nekophile.com loops back to myself " Any idea how to fix this problem? Phil From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Nov 28 21:52:00 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:52:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Easy Install Instructions for Mailman and postfix or sendmail) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031128205200.GJ18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 pvmailman at nekophile.com wrote: >> At least you have it going. To me, the nicest thing about using >> postfix with mailman is the integration. All the aliases will get >> added to your alias file automatically, which saves you the hassle >> of manually adding them and running newaliases. > > This is precisely the thing I can't get to work using the > instructions provided under fedora. D'oh! That really takes away a large advantage of using mailman with postfix then. I don't happen to have a fedora install at hand, but what instructions are provided there? If it's the README.POSTFIX file from the mailman tarball, then at least we'll know you're reading what the rest of us are reading. If it's something else, then I'd suggest checking out that README from the tarball to see if the fedora instructions are missing some steps. > My postfix main.cf contains: > > alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases > alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases That looks correct. > If I cat the /var/mailman/data/aliases file, the aliases created in > the web interface are being added to it. However, when I contact > list.test at nekophile.com, I get a "user unknown in local recipient > table" error (within pine). This is after having changed "Host name > this list prefers for email" from mail.nekophile.com to > nekophile.com. > > What's more, if I mail to list.test at mail.nekophile.com, postfix > sends me a msg titled " Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender" > indicating: > > " > Final-Recipient: rfc822; list.test at mail.nekophile.com > Action: failed > Status: 5.0.0 > Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail for mail.nekophile.com loops back > to myself > " > > Any idea how to fix this problem? I'm no guru at recognizing postfix problems (as it usually just works for me so I don't have much experience tracking down problems). But it sounds like it might have something to do with the virtual domain setup for mailman and/or postfix. Just some guesses. Perhaps this will lead you to a solution or help someone else point out what's wrong. Does postfix accept other mail at mail.nekophile.com? If so, is mail.nekophile.com or nekophile.com a virtual domain to postfix and if it is, has it been added to ~mailman/data/virtual-mailman? - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insignificant premises -- Samuel Butler -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/x7Vwuv+09NZUB1oRAmboAJ9SzftniRxo/ODOJwfX7iQCp40cKgCgwcdD rnWuzM4/xEsJZbtXoHIsgAs= =Jhiw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rkpn at british-genealogy.com Sat Nov 29 01:15:24 2003 From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 00:15:24 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Partial list mail delivery Message-ID: A really strange problem.... I wonder if anyone has seen anything similar, or can offer any clues. (Mailman 2.1.1) I have over a hundred mailing lists. List members can all post OK to the list The messages all appear in the archives for each list. However..... User A receives mail from some lists, but not from others User B ditto (but not the same lists necessarily). Therefore there is nothing wrong with the user's address or ISP. The problem exists with hundreds of users, (but not all). Some lists post messages out to all users Some lists post messages out to *some* users Some lists do not appear to post out any messages There seems to be no reason, and no logic to the thing? When a user doesn't receive list mail, unsubscribing, and then subscribing again doesn't make any difference. Nothing has been changed in any configuration in MailMan, and no new lists have been added for a few months. Hard disks are nowhere near full. The problem began about a week ago. Does anyone have any ideas?? Regards Rod -- Rod Neep Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sat Nov 29 01:37:00 2003 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:37:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Partial list mail delivery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:15 AM +0000 2003/11/29, Rod Neep wrote: > Does anyone have any ideas?? Check your MTA logs. Find out which ISPs are having problems, and try enabling VERP for a brief period of time to determine if the problems are limited to only some ISPs. Note that certain ISPs have anti-spam features that result in silently throwing away e-mail (especially AOL), so keep that in mind. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From rkpn at british-genealogy.com Sat Nov 29 02:06:38 2003 From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:06:38 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Partial list mail delivery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In message , Brad Knowles writes > Check your MTA logs. Find out which ISPs are having problems, >and try enabling VERP for a brief period of time to determine if the >problems are limited to only some ISPs. No.. They are not limited to only some ISPs. I have verified that. john.doe at isp1.com will receive mail from one of the lists and not another list. jane.doe at isp1.com will receive mail from the second list, but not the first one. > > Note that certain ISPs have anti-spam features that result in >silently throwing away e-mail (especially AOL), so keep that in mind. I thought that it might be that at first. But not so. Nor is it the user using any anti-spam software. Regards Rod -- Rod Neep Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com From clayno at w4cl.net Sat Nov 29 02:11:33 2003 From: clayno at w4cl.net (Charles Layno) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:11:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python in Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <20031128205200.GJ18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20031128205200.GJ18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <200311282011.33777.clayno@w4cl.net> Did anyone confirm that the Python rpm build in Fedora Core 1 is not working correctly and by using the SPRM that it corrects the Mailman problems or has RH screwed up Mailman again? Charles Layno Greensboro, NC From rkpn at british-genealogy.com Sat Nov 29 02:22:13 2003 From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:22:13 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Partial list mail delivery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As an experiment.... I subscribed to one of the "problem" lists using a different email address.... posted a test message.... and received it normally. But if I unsubscribe using the problem email address, and subscribe again using that address, then the list mail isn't received. But.... that "problem" email address works fine receiving mail from other lists. Very weird. -- Rod Neep Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com From pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co Sat Nov 29 04:12:12 2003 From: pchamorro at ingeomin.gov.co (Pablo Chamorro C.) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:12:12 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Easy Install Instructions for Mailman and postfix or sendmail) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 pvmailman at nekophile.com wrote: > This is precisely the thing I can't get to work using the instructions > provided under fedora. If I edit the /etc/postfix/aliases file and run > newaliases, everything's fine. My postfix main.cf contains: > > alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases > alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases I have these lines, for me it works: alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases Pablo From didg69 at yahoo.fr Sat Nov 29 06:30:59 2003 From: didg69 at yahoo.fr (Didier Galland) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 06:30:59 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE : Returned mail: see transcript for details In-Reply-To: <200311290532.hAT5WrdM012765@appli-box.com> Message-ID: <00a301c3b639$f9388d90$1613fea9@Didier> After installing mailman (2.1.3), I finally got this after some nights wiht my best ennemy sendmail... I don't understand. All files in the dirs are mailman.mailman with w rights on group... [begin of error message in mail] Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/post", line 69, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/post", line 64, in main tolist=1, _plaintext=1) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 132, in enqueue msgfp = open(msgfile, 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/in/1070083973.7610739+614114862895f0e4774ceb3 03250771e29ba9cc3.msg' 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 [end of error message in mail] If someone could help me, it would be greatly appreciated !!! Regards, Didier From clayno at w4cl.net Sat Nov 29 13:18:49 2003 From: clayno at w4cl.net (Charles Layno) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 07:18:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] More error messages with mailman in Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <00a301c3b639$f9388d90$1613fea9@Didier> References: <00a301c3b639$f9388d90$1613fea9@Didier> Message-ID: <200311290718.49791.clayno@w4cl.net> After I attempted an import of an existing list from another machine, every 5 minuets I am getting the following error message send to root: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/gate_news Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 274, in ? main() File "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 254, in main process_lists(lock) File "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 189, in process_lists mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 124, in __init__ self.Load() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 612, in Load self.CheckVersion(dict) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 635, in CheckVersion Update(self, stored_state) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/versions.py", line 53, in Update NewRequestsDatabase(l) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/versions.py", line 490, in NewRequestsDatabase l.HoldSubscription(addr, password, digest) TypeError: HoldSubscription() takes exactly 6 arguments (4 given) From jp at warpix.org Sat Nov 29 15:25:46 2003 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:25:46 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with outgoing mail Message-ID: <20031129142546.H1707@warpix.org> How do I try and identify why outgoing mail does not get processed? Does qrunner have any trace or debug options? And is there and equivalent of 'sendmail -bp' for display what is held in the queue? -- John From jp at warpix.org Sat Nov 29 16:07:42 2003 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:07:42 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding users to a list Message-ID: <20031129150742.L1707@warpix.org> Is there any way to add a number of users to a list from a script? -- John From jp at warpix.org Sat Nov 29 17:32:29 2003 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:32:29 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searching archives Message-ID: <20031129163229.M1707@warpix.org> Are there any recommendations for providing a search facility for archives? -- John From morgan at hahaha.org Sat Nov 29 17:37:38 2003 From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 08:37:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searching archives In-Reply-To: <20031129163229.M1707@warpix.org> (John Poltorak's message of "Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:32:29 +0000") References: <20031129163229.M1707@warpix.org> Message-ID: <87k75j9lm5.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> John Poltorak writes: > Are there any recommendations for providing a search facility for > archives? I am using mharc for our mailing list archives, and other mailing lists which we don't host: http://birfield.com/archives/ I'd recommend it, although if mailman had an integrated solution as nice I'd use that instead. Mharc is here: http://www.mhonarc.org/mharc/doc/ Morgan From thomas at btspuhler.com Sat Nov 29 17:38:22 2003 From: thomas at btspuhler.com (Thomas Spuhler) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:38:22 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No mail is going out Message-ID: <1070123901.10983.20.camel@aargau.btspuhler.com> I just upgraded from MDK9.1 to 9.2. I now have Mailman 2.1 I know that the aliases have a problem, so I created a new list "testlist" and added one address, myself. I had some permission problems (seen in the mail log) but solved those with check-perm -f I now cannot find any new errors in the logs. the mail log info shows that the massage was sent: Nov 29 09:21:58 aargau postfix/pickup[11633]: 9201C415F3: uid=501 from= Nov 29 09:21:58 aargau postfix/cleanup[11634]: 9201C415F3: message-id=<1070122918.3931.7.camel at aargau.btspuhler.com> Nov 29 09:21:58 aargau postfix/nqmgr[2921]: 9201C415F3: from=, size=1111, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Nov 29 09:21:59 aargau postfix/local[11636]: 9201C415F3: to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist") I only see one hint from lst night, but no new after the last message: Nov 28 20:18:00 2003 mailmanctl(8406): Is qrunner even running? Nov 28 21:32:40 2003 mailmanctl(8822): PID unreadable in: /var/lib/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid Nov 28 21:32:40 2003 mailmanctl(8822): [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid' Nov 28 21:32:40 2003 mailmanctl(8822): Is qrunner even running? Nov 28 22:17:29 2003 mailmanctl(3681): Site list is missing: mailman Nov 28 22:17:29 2003 (3681) Site list is missing: mailman Nov 28 22:44:27 2003 mailmanctl(4297): PID unreadable in: /var/lib/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid Nov 28 22:44:27 2003 mailmanctl(4297): [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid' Nov 28 22:44:27 2003 mailmanctl(4297): Is qrunner even running? bash-2.05b$ grep mailman /etc/aliases Gives: # Added by the mailman rpm mailman: root mailman-owner: mailman ## created: 11-Jul-2003 mailman spuhlerfam: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post spuhlerfam" spuhlerfam-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner spuhlerfam" spuhlerfam-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd spuhlerfam" tmwchorale: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post tmwchorale" tmwchorale-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner tmwchorale" tmwchorale-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tmwchorale" tmcboard: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post tmcboard" tmcboard-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner tmcboard" tmcboard-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tmcboard" No aliases show up for testlist! Unfortunately there is not much literature available about MM version 2.1. -- Best Regards Thomas Spuhler All e-mails from this location have been scanned for viruses This e-mail has been digitally signed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031129/25ff95e3/attachment.pgp From rkpn at british-genealogy.com Sat Nov 29 17:41:57 2003 From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:41:57 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Partial list mail delivery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am still struggling with this problem. Suggestions are still *very* welcome please. Rod In message , Rod Neep writes >A really strange problem.... I wonder if anyone has seen anything >similar, or can offer any clues. > >(Mailman 2.1.1) > >I have over a hundred mailing lists. > >List members can all post OK to the list >The messages all appear in the archives for each list. > >However..... > >User A receives mail from some lists, but not from others >User B ditto (but not the same lists necessarily). > >Therefore there is nothing wrong with the user's address or ISP. >The problem exists with hundreds of users, (but not all). > >Some lists post messages out to all users >Some lists post messages out to *some* users >Some lists do not appear to post out any messages > >There seems to be no reason, and no logic to the thing? > >When a user doesn't receive list mail, unsubscribing, and then >subscribing again doesn't make any difference. > >Nothing has been changed in any configuration in MailMan, and no new >lists have been added for a few months. Hard disks are nowhere near >full. The problem began about a week ago. > >Does anyone have any ideas?? > >Regards >Rod > -- Rod Neep Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com From bills at right-net.com Sat Nov 29 18:04:40 2003 From: bills at right-net.com (Bill Selmeier) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:04:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding users to a list In-Reply-To: <20031129150742.L1707@warpix.org> Message-ID: You should find a add_members script in your mailman/bin/ directory that does this. ************************************************************************ Bill Selmeier 20720 Maureen Way voice (408)257-7670 Leader Saratoga, CA 95070 mobile (408)655-3400 Internet Developer http://www.internetdeveloper.org bills at inetdevgrp.org or RightNet, Inc. http://www.right-net.com bills at right-net.com On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, John Poltorak wrote: > > Is there any way to add a number of users to a list from a script? > > > > -- > John > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bills at right-net.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bills%40right-net.com > From paul at thcwd.com Sat Nov 29 18:50:24 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 11:50:24 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Partial list mail delivery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20031129114340.084cbd10@mail.thcwd.com> Rod Neep wrote: >List members can all post OK to the list >The messages all appear in the archives for each list. > >However..... > >User A receives mail from some lists, but not from others >User B ditto (but not the same lists necessarily). > >Therefore there is nothing wrong with the user's address or ISP. >The problem exists with hundreds of users, (but not all). What ISP's are affected? ISP's and on-line mail systems like HotMail and Yahoo are all adding and changing systems to deal with spam, and Mailman list mail will get flagged as spam by many of these systems. I know that by default both HotMail and Yahoo will direct list mail to the bulk or junk folder. To make matters worse Yahoo's system has a bad habit of "forgetting" that a list has been identified as wanted mail. As far as I know all major systems will not block of move something like a password reminder, so have the users request such a reminder from any list they do not get mail from. If they get that, it's probably a spam blocking issue. For Yahoo the best bet is to set up a filter rather than using their spam marking system. Users who belong to more than one of your lists can set up to receive anything from your server and be done with it. <>< Paul From rkpn at british-genealogy.com Sat Nov 29 19:21:11 2003 From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:21:11 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Partial list mail delivery In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20031129114340.084cbd10@mail.thcwd.com> References: <6.0.1.1.0.20031129114340.084cbd10@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: <1sUiQiLXOOy$EAAo@neep.demon.co.uk> In message <6.0.1.1.0.20031129114340.084cbd10 at mail.thcwd.com>, Paul H Byerly writes >Rod Neep wrote: >>List members can all post OK to the list >>The messages all appear in the archives for each list. >> >>However..... >> >>User A receives mail from some lists, but not from others >>User B ditto (but not the same lists necessarily). >> >>Therefore there is nothing wrong with the user's address or ISP. >>The problem exists with hundreds of users, (but not all). > > What ISP's are affected? Any... And all. Including my own server! I.e. all my lists are xxxx at british-genealogy.com I am subscribed using rkpn at british-genealogy.com Even *I* receive mail from some of the lists and not from others! The same scenario appears with users of just about any ISP Therefore it is not a spam filtering issue :-( Regards Rod -- Rod Neep Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com From udo at stueberl.de Fri Nov 28 00:39:31 2003 From: udo at stueberl.de (Udo) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 00:39:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems on NetBSD/MIPS with Mailman Message-ID: <20031127233931.GA18533@raqim.stueberl.de> Hi, I've tried find some hints in the FAQ but it doesn't help with my problem. After installing Mailman (version 2.0.12) out of a NetBSD source package, I encounter this problem, that can be tracked in the logs: error: Nov 28 00:37:01 2003 qrunner(18564): Traceback (most recent call last): Nov 28 00:37:01 2003 qrunner(18564): File "/usr/pkg/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ? Nov 28 00:37:01 2003 qrunner(18564): kids = main(lock) Nov 28 00:37:01 2003 qrunner(18564): File "/usr/pkg/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 205, in main Nov 28 00:37:01 2003 qrunner(18564): os.unlink(root+'.msg') Nov 28 00:37:01 2003 qrunner(18564): OSError : [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/db/mailman/qfiles/.msg' and in qrunner logfile: Nov 28 00:36:04 2003 (18557) Unlinking orphaned .msg file: /var/db/mailman/qfiles/.msg Nov 28 00:37:01 2003 (18564) Unlinking orphaned .msg file: /var/db/mailman/qfiles/.msg Nov 28 00:38:01 2003 (18571) Unlinking orphaned .msg file: /var/db/mailman/qfiles/.msg Does anyone have an idea what this means ? thanks and regards Udo -- From Inbusinessforyou at aol.com Fri Nov 28 23:48:19 2003 From: Inbusinessforyou at aol.com (Inbusinessforyou at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:48:19 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] my mailing lists? Message-ID: <1e7.1476afa9.2cf92ab3@aol.com> Hi I have the mailman mailing list and have it all set up but ive run into a prob. I cant get it to send email...I did a few fake signups to see if it was gonna work and it hasnt yet...what can I do ? Please help? Tammy webmaster at pandanews.com From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sat Nov 29 20:55:16 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:55:16 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searching archives In-Reply-To: <87k75j9lm5.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> References: <20031129163229.M1707@warpix.org> <87k75j9lm5.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Message-ID: On 29 Nov 2003, at 16:37, Morgan Fletcher wrote: > John Poltorak writes: >> Are there any recommendations for providing a search facility for >> archives? > > I am using mharc for our mailing list archives, and other mailing lists > which we don't host: > > http://birfield.com/archives/ > > I'd recommend it, although if mailman had an integrated solution as > nice > I'd use that instead. > > Mharc is here: > MHonArc is not itself an archive search facility but, as described by its author Earl Hood, a mail to HTML convertor, and a popular one at that. As such it can be used as an alternative or companion to Mailman's built in pipermail facility. For some thoughts on MM list archive search see: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp. You can also take a look at: http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/444884/index.html http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/mhonarc/index.html These patches are also available from sourceforge. > http://www.mhonarc.org/mharc/doc/ > > Morgan > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From n7zib at rtconnect.net Sat Nov 29 22:16:26 2003 From: n7zib at rtconnect.net (Scott Berry) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 21:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: Hello there, I am looking for the defaults.py that is created when Mailman is installed on a /Debian system can some one point me in the right direction please? Thanks a lot. From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Sat Nov 29 22:22:42 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:22:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031129212242.GQ18451@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Scott Berry wrote: > I am looking for the defaults.py that is created when Mailman is > installed on a /Debian system can some one point me in the right > direction please? Try this to find it: dpkg -L mailman | grep Defaults.py - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Over himself, over his own mind and body, the individual is sovereign. -- J.S. Mill, On Liberty, 1859, "Introductory" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/yQ4iuv+09NZUB1oRAj8wAKDsVBqNdfOL+wtoMm5JaNQNIVpACwCguVT7 6AnZPJDHm5hM85qzX92nZn0= =X4ef -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From vitalik at yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 00:45:24 2003 From: vitalik at yahoo.com (Vitaliy Razhanskiy) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:45:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Most of the messages bounced Message-ID: <20031129234524.94393.qmail@web10407.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I am trying to setup a mailing list for an orchestra. We have about 750 subscribers. When I was testing the mailman with 4-10 people it worked fine, when I transferred everybody to the list and tried to post a message, only 5-10% received it, the rest got bounce score of 1.0. Even those who had no problems in testing mode. Did anybody have a similar problem? Support of my hosting company says that everything is fine on their side and mailman is installed correctly. Thanks in advance. Vitaliy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From pvmailman at nekophile.com Sun Nov 30 02:29:27 2003 From: pvmailman at nekophile.com (pvmailman at nekophile.com) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 17:29:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Easy Install Instructions for Mailman and postfix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, I rmlist'd the list and tried again with the new aliases db line in my main.cf for postfix. No dice. However, I did encounter an error page that might help. What happens is I enter the info on the create list page. When I submit, I get a popup asking what user's password I'm trying to change, so I select <>. Next page is an error (below). If I again try the process, I'm told the list exists already (an error page indicates as much). FWIW, I also double-checked and I cannot get mail at mail.nekophile.com in general (same error). That error page: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create _update_maps() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /var/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.3 (#1, Oct 15 2003, 23:33:35) [GCC 3.3.1 20030930 (Red Hat Linux 3.3.1-6)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 Environment variables: Variable Value CONTENT_LENGTH 137 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_REFERER http://www.nekophile.com/mailman/create SCRIPT_FILENAME /var/mailman/cgi-bin/create PYTHONPATH /var/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/2.0.47 (Fedora) SERVER_ADMIN root at localhost SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/2.0.47 (Fedora) Server at www.nekophile.com Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST www.nekophile.com HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300 SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING REQUEST_URI /mailman/create HTTP_ACCEPT text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 Firebird/0.7 HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive SERVER_NAME www.nekophile.com REMOTE_ADDR 64.81.73.79 REMOTE_PORT 47143 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us,en;q=0.5 UNIQUE_ID 9-h09n8AAAEAAGOFDNwAAAAI SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip,deflate SERVER_ADDR 64.81.73.79 DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/html --- The file perms: /var/mailman/data root at twiggy $ ls -la total 64 drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Nov 29 17:20 . drwxrwsr-x 19 root mailman 4096 Nov 20 12:56 .. -rw-rw---- 1 root mailman 4278 Nov 29 17:20 aliases -rw-r----- 1 mailman mailman 12288 Nov 29 17:20 aliases.db Thank you again! Phil From morgan at hahaha.org Sun Nov 30 03:21:08 2003 From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:21:08 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searching archives In-Reply-To: (Richard Barrett's message of "Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:55:16 +0000") References: <20031129163229.M1707@warpix.org> <87k75j9lm5.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Message-ID: <87vfp28uln.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Richard Barrett writes: >> I am using mharc for our mailing list archives, and other mailing lists >> which we don't host: >> >> http://birfield.com/archives/ >> >> I'd recommend it, although if mailman had an integrated solution as nice >> I'd use that instead. > > MHonArc is not itself an archive search facility but, as described by its > author Earl Hood, a mail to HTML convertor, and a popular one at that. As > such it can be used as an alternative or companion to Mailman's built in > pipermail facility. Mhonarc is a mail archiver. Mharc is not mhonarc. Mharc is mhonarc + namazu, which is a search engine. http://www.mhonarc.org/mharc/doc/ http://www.namazu.org/index.html.en Morgan From angusc at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 30 11:53:51 2003 From: angusc at blueyonder.co.uk (Angus Claydon) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 10:53:51 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No mail is going out References: <1070123901.10983.20.camel@aargau.btspuhler.com> Message-ID: <004601c3b730$3de69260$0400a8c0@hx4> I'm new to this list - working on a solaris install. I struggled for a while with the same symptoms as you on 2.1.3 . What clinched it for me was creating the list mailman - my test list only worked after doing this. Look at the section Create a "site-wide" mailing list in INSTALL hth ac ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Spuhler" To: Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] No mail is going out > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: angusc at blueyonder.co.uk > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/angusc%40blueyonder.co. uk > From jp at warpix.org Sun Nov 30 13:22:35 2003 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:22:35 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner Message-ID: <20031130122235.R1707@warpix.org> Is there any alternative to running qrunner via cron? I am used to Majordomo which just sends outgoing mail straight through to Sendmail and it gets sent out automatically as and when necessary. Can I get Mailman to do this? What I would like to do is avoid mail from being queued, or at least process it as soon as it has arrived in the qfiles directory. Is there any option for doing this? -- John From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sun Nov 30 14:43:28 2003 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:43:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner In-Reply-To: <20031130122235.R1707@warpix.org> References: <20031130122235.R1707@warpix.org> Message-ID: At 12:22 PM +0000 2003/11/30, John Poltorak wrote: > Is there any alternative to running qrunner via cron? In mailman 2.1.x, qrunner is not run via cron. The qrunner processes are left continually running, separate from system facilities such as cron. > I am used to Majordomo which just sends outgoing mail straight through to > Sendmail and it gets sent out automatically as and when necessary. > > Can I get Mailman to do this? Nope. > What I would like to do is avoid mail from being queued, or at least > process it as soon as it has arrived in the qfiles directory. Is there any > option for doing this? If the qrunner processes are working correctly, they should pick up the mail as quickly as it is available and deliver it to the MTA. This is a big improvement over the previous process of running qrunner via cron. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. 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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:20:18 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Easy Install Instructions for Mailman and postfix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 pvmailman at nekophile.com wrote: > RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias > /var/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) > > The file perms: > > /var/mailman/data > root at twiggy $ ls -la > total 64 > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Nov 29 17:20 . > drwxrwsr-x 19 root mailman 4096 Nov 20 12:56 .. > -rw-rw---- 1 root mailman 4278 Nov 29 17:20 aliases > -rw-r----- 1 mailman mailman 12288 Nov 29 17:20 aliases.db I have this: [root]# ls -l data/aliases* -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 11582 nov 10 16:42 data/aliases -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 24576 nov 10 16:42 data/aliases.db [root]# ls -ld data/ drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 16384 nov 29 12:45 data/ Pablo > > > Thank you again! > Phil > From pvmailman at nekophile.com Sun Nov 30 18:53:00 2003 From: pvmailman at nekophile.com (pvmailman at nekophile.com) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:53:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Easy Install Instructions for Mailman and postfix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Success. It's always the simple permissions issues! Considering that most who run mailman with postfix would face this, I'm suprised that a 0 B aliases file and db were included with the fedora rpm - it would prevent users from getting the perms wrong on a system where you, by default, cannot su to mailman. Thanks again to everyone (and sorry it turned out to be such a trivial error!) Phil -- # If I had only known, I would have been a locksmith. # -- Albert Einstein From pjaros at blue-fox.com Sun Nov 30 18:54:48 2003 From: pjaros at blue-fox.com (Peter Jaros) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:54:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating lists Message-ID: <4A04DEE4-235E-11D8-9544-000A27B3913C@blue-fox.com> My apologies if this is always asked, but I've been searching for the answer for a while. How does one properly migrate lists from one installation of Mailman to another on another box? What are the permissions caveats? Could someone put this in the FAQ? The question is there, but not the answer... Also, I think my archives are pooched. What should the $prefix/archives/* directories look like (incl. perms). Much thanks, Peter --- Funding for this program comes from Borders without Doctors: The Bookstore Chain That Sounds Like a Charity. --Harry Shearer, Le Show From tech-mail at prupref.com Sun Nov 30 20:20:21 2003 From: tech-mail at prupref.com (McKeever Chris) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 13:20:21 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating lists In-Reply-To: <4A04DEE4-235E-11D8-9544-000A27B3913C@blue-fox.com> Message-ID: <200311301920.hAUJKL011002@smtp1.prupref.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20031130/9ac73e33/attachment.asc From morgan at hahaha.org Sun Nov 30 21:11:13 2003 From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:11:13 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble upgrading 2.0.8 -> 2.1.3 Message-ID: <87n0adiplq.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> I've got a netbsd server which has a working 2.0.8 installation in /home/mailman. Python is 2.3. MTA is postfix. I've installed mailman 2.1.3 in /usr/local/mailman. The /usr/local/mailman is basically owned by root.mailman. I've copied the lists and archives files over to the new tree, but I've hit a problem. Can you help me? Here's what I've done, as root: ps auxw | grep postfix /etc/rc.d/postfix stop ps auxw | grep postfix cd /usr/local/tmp wget http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/mailman-2.1.3.tgz tar -zxvf mailman-2.1.3.tgz cd mailman-2.1.3 # Read INSTALL, README.POSTFIX, README.BSD ./configure --with-cgi-gid=39 # didn't do 'make DIRSETGID=: install', because check_perms will complain make install cd /usr/local/mailman/ bin/check_perms bin/check_perms -f bin/check_perms # SNIP apache configuration... cp -Rp /home/mailman/archives/* /usr/local/mailman/archives/ # SNIP more apache stuff cp /home/mailman/aliases /usr/local/mailman/ cp -Rp /home/mailman/lists/* /usr/local/mailman/lists/ bin/check_perms -f bin/check_perms cd /usr/local/mailman bin/withlist -l -r fix_url admins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bin/withlist -l -r fix_url admins Importing fix_url... Running fix_url.fix_url()... Loading list admins (locked) Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/withlist", line 275, in ? main() File "bin/withlist", line 256, in main r = do_list(listname, args, func) File "bin/withlist", line 182, in do_list m = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=LOCK) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 126, in __init__ self.Lock() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 163, in Lock self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 617, in Load self.CheckValues() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 669, in CheckValues for name, pattern, desc, emptyflag in self.topics: File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 144, in __getattr__ raise AttributeError, name AttributeError: topics <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, Morgan From morgan at hahaha.org Sun Nov 30 21:27:47 2003 From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:27:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble upgrading 2.0.8 -> 2.1.3 In-Reply-To: <87n0adiplq.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> (Morgan Fletcher's message of "Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:11:13 -0800") References: <87n0adiplq.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Message-ID: <87ekvpiou4.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Morgan Fletcher writes: > I've got a netbsd server which has a working 2.0.8 installation in > /home/mailman. Python is 2.3. MTA is postfix. I've installed mailman > 2.1.3 in /usr/local/mailman. The /usr/local/mailman is basically owned by > root.mailman. I've copied the lists and archives files over to the new > tree, but I've hit a problem. Can you help me? Here's what I've done, as > root: Another example of the same problem: Trying to visit the mailman/listinfo page after the upgrade: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bug in Mailman version 2.1.3 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 42, in main listinfo_overview() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 87, in listinfo_overview mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 617, in Load self.CheckValues() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 669, in CheckValues for name, pattern, desc, emptyflag in self.topics: File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 144, in __getattr__ raise AttributeError, name AttributeError: topics Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.3 (#1, Nov 22 2003, 02:13:52) [GCC 3.3.2 (NetBSD nb1 20031026)] sys.executable /usr/pkg/bin/python sys.prefix /usr/pkg sys.exec_prefix /usr/pkg sys.path /usr/pkg sys.platform netbsd1 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From morgan at hahaha.org Sun Nov 30 21:34:30 2003 From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:34:30 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble upgrading 2.0.8 -> 2.1.3 In-Reply-To: <87ekvpiou4.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> (Morgan Fletcher's message of "Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:27:47 -0800") References: <87n0adiplq.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> <87ekvpiou4.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Message-ID: <877k1hioix.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Is 'bin/update -f' required, for an upgrade from 2.0.8 -> 2.1.3? It's not mentioned as needed in the INSTALL or UPGRADING docs, except for 1.0 or 1.1 -> 2.0. Morgan From ptn at goalsnet.com.pe Sun Nov 30 23:20:43 2003 From: ptn at goalsnet.com.pe (Pat) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:20:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 14, Issue 63 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031130171856.009f1b90@goalsnet.com.pe> If someone are usin more than my archives in out of law .. so please be a simple person and write to me ok. At 12:01 p.m. 29/11/03 -0500, you wrote: >Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > mailman-users at python.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mailman-users-request at python.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > mailman-users-owner at python.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." >Today's Topics: > > 1. Adding users to a list (John Poltorak) > 2. Searching archives (John Poltorak) > 3. Re: Searching archives (Morgan Fletcher) > 4. No mail is going out (Thomas Spuhler) > 5. Re: Partial list mail delivery (Rod Neep) >From: John Poltorak >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: mailman-users at python.org >Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:07:42 +0000 >Message-ID: <20031129150742.L1707 at warpix.org> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding users to a list >Message: 1 > > >Is there any way to add a number of users to a list from a script? > > > >-- >John > > > > >From: John Poltorak >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: mailman-users at python.org >Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:32:29 +0000 >Message-ID: <20031129163229.M1707 at warpix.org> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searching archives >Message: 2 > > > >Are there any recommendations for providing a search facility for >archives? > > >-- >John > > > > > >From: Morgan Fletcher >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: mailman-users at python.org >References: <20031129163229.M1707 at warpix.org> >In-Reply-To: <20031129163229.M1707 at warpix.org> (John Poltorak's message of > "Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:32:29 +0000") >Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 08:37:38 -0800 >Message-ID: <87k75j9lm5.fsf at fletcher.sonic.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Searching archives >Message: 3 > >John Poltorak writes: > > Are there any recommendations for providing a search facility for > > archives? > >I am using mharc for our mailing list archives, and other mailing lists >which we don't host: > >http://birfield.com/archives/ > >I'd recommend it, although if mailman had an integrated solution as nice >I'd use that instead. > >Mharc is here: > >http://www.mhonarc.org/mharc/doc/ > >Morgan > > >From: Thomas Spuhler >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: mailman-users at python.org >Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:38:22 -0700 >Message-ID: <1070123901.10983.20.camel at aargau.btspuhler.com> >Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; > protocol="application/pgp-signature"; > boundary="=-jn+RTQ2Ql366TqNjMSrF" >Subject: [Mailman-Users] No mail is going out >Message: 4 > >I just upgraded from MDK9.1 to 9.2. I now have Mailman 2.1 > >I know that the aliases have a problem, so I created a new list >"testlist" and added one address, myself. > >I had some permission problems (seen in the mail log) but solved those >with check-perm -f > >I now cannot find any new errors in the logs. the mail log info shows >that the massage was sent: > >Nov 29 09:21:58 aargau postfix/pickup[11633]: 9201C415F3: uid=501 >from= >Nov 29 09:21:58 aargau postfix/cleanup[11634]: 9201C415F3: >message-id=<1070122918.3931.7.camel at aargau.btspuhler.com> >Nov 29 09:21:58 aargau postfix/nqmgr[2921]: 9201C415F3: >from=, size=1111, nrcpt=1 (queue active) >Nov 29 09:21:59 aargau postfix/local[11636]: 9201C415F3: >to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent >("|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist") > >I only see one hint from lst night, but no new after the last message: >Nov 28 20:18:00 2003 mailmanctl(8406): Is qrunner even running? >Nov 28 21:32:40 2003 mailmanctl(8822): PID unreadable in: >/var/lib/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid >Nov 28 21:32:40 2003 mailmanctl(8822): [Errno 2] No such file or >directory: '/var/lib/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid' >Nov 28 21:32:40 2003 mailmanctl(8822): Is qrunner even running? >Nov 28 22:17:29 2003 mailmanctl(3681): Site list is missing: mailman >Nov 28 22:17:29 2003 (3681) Site list is missing: mailman >Nov 28 22:44:27 2003 mailmanctl(4297): PID unreadable in: >/var/lib/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid >Nov 28 22:44:27 2003 mailmanctl(4297): [Errno 2] No such file or >directory: '/var/lib/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid' >Nov 28 22:44:27 2003 mailmanctl(4297): Is qrunner even running? > > >bash-2.05b$ grep mailman /etc/aliases >Gives: > ># Added by the mailman rpm >mailman: root >mailman-owner: mailman >## created: 11-Jul-2003 mailman >spuhlerfam: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post >spuhlerfam" >spuhlerfam-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner >spuhlerfam" >spuhlerfam-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd >spuhlerfam" >tmwchorale: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post >tmwchorale" >tmwchorale-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner >tmwchorale" >tmwchorale-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd >tmwchorale" >tmcboard: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post tmcboard" >tmcboard-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner >tmcboard" >tmcboard-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd >tmcboard" > >No aliases show up for testlist! > >Unfortunately there is not much literature available about MM version >2.1. > >-- > >Best Regards > >Thomas Spuhler > >All e-mails from this location have been scanned for viruses >This e-mail has been digitally signed > >From: Rod Neep >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: mailman-users at python.org >References: >In-Reply-To: >Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:41:57 +0000 >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Partial list mail delivery >Message: 5 > >I am still struggling with this problem. > >Suggestions are still *very* welcome please. > >Rod > >In message , Rod Neep > writes >>A really strange problem.... I wonder if anyone has seen anything >>similar, or can offer any clues. >> >>(Mailman 2.1.1) >> >>I have over a hundred mailing lists. >> >>List members can all post OK to the list >>The messages all appear in the archives for each list. >> >>However..... >> >>User A receives mail from some lists, but not from others >>User B ditto (but not the same lists necessarily). >> >>Therefore there is nothing wrong with the user's address or ISP. >>The problem exists with hundreds of users, (but not all). >> >>Some lists post messages out to all users >>Some lists post messages out to *some* users >>Some lists do not appear to post out any messages >> >>There seems to be no reason, and no logic to the thing? >> >>When a user doesn't receive list mail, unsubscribing, and then >>subscribing again doesn't make any difference. >> >>Nothing has been changed in any configuration in MailMan, and no new >>lists have been added for a few months. Hard disks are nowhere near full. >>The problem began about a week ago. >> >>Does anyone have any ideas?? >> >>Regards >>Rod > >-- >Rod Neep >Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org >British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/