[Mailman-Users] Help debugging Debian package for Mailman 2.1.3-1

Jon Carnes jonc at nc.rr.com
Wed Nov 5 22:56:06 CET 2003

Your simplest option may be to install it from source. As long as you
know the webservers GID and the MTA's GID you are good to go.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 14:58, Mailman-users at davefisher.co.uk wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm new to mailman and this list, so please forgive me if I've missed
> something obvious here or in the documentation (I have spent many hours
> looking, before resorting to this plea for help).
> I suspect that most of my problems lie with the Debian GNU/Linux
> packages (Testing) that I've installed, but been unable to configure
> properly without resorting to dangerously insecure hacks on file
> permissions and symbolic links.
> I notice that several of the obstacles I face have been reported and
> acknowledged as bugs on the Debian bug tracking system for quite some
> time.  Unfortunately, they remain open with few suggested workarounds
> and some of those few looking pretty dubious.
> I was hoping that someone on this list might be able to refer me to
> either of:
>   1. A simple overview of the roles and relationships between of
>   different components in a Mailman system ... so that I can set about
>   the debugging process in a reasonably logical manner.
>   2. Other Debian users who have already worked their way through the
>   bugs that I have encountered.
> I am now under some pressure to deliver a working Mailman system
> quickly, so the latter would be most useful.
> Here are some of the problems that I've encountered:
>   1. No permission for the web server to read any Mailman files.  
>   By default Apache runs as www-data on Debian systems, but most of the
>   installed Mailman files are owned as root:list or list:list. I'm
>   reluctant to do a recursive chown on any branch of my filesystem
>   when there are so many chains of symlinks involved, when I'm not sure
>   what roles various files play and when I've seen specific advice
>   against adding the webserver user (www-data) to the list group.
>   2. Acknowledged bugs:
>     #204869 errors while creating initial mailman list
>             http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=204869
>     #214264 mailman: wrong permissions on archive directories
>             http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=214264
>     #202464 mailman: symlink cgi-bin pointing to itself after installing
>             http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=202464
>     #123297 wrong owner in pipermail directories
>             http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=123297
>     ... the list goes on and on ..
> I wouldn't expect any individual to give me all the answers on these points,
> but I would appreciate any help or advice people could offer in trying to work
> through them.
> N.B. Despite the problems with this Debian package, I don't want to install
> from source tarballs (that's why I use Debian) and would prefer to fix it so
> that I can continue to benefit from the distro's basically sound package
> management and configuration system.
> Best wishes,
> Dave Fisher
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