[Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members

Frank L. Parks fparks at ezbizpartner.com
Fri Sep 19 15:02:11 CEST 2003



Thank you for the reply.  I just realized by going through this exercise
that I didn't have the aliases for test at ezbizpartner.com to test and this
was why it was coming straight to me (I'm the garbage collector).  Bad
Frank.  In other words read #2 below for aliases for Sendmail
virtual domains.


I put in the above alias pair and now things are going wrong, but at least
I'm getting some messages.


Mail log:


Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail

wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but

the system's mail server executed the mail script as

group "daemon".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the

script as group "mailman", or re-run configure, 

providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=daemon'.

554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2


OK. No major problem (I hope).


Ran the configure with the above option

Went to /usr/local/ and changed mailman to the daemon group id (see install
instructions for those of you who may wondering where that came from) - also
see check_param up next.


Did the make install


cd /usr/local/mailman/bin

./check_param -f (per install instructions)

Oops 1574 errors

./check_param -f (per install instructions)

No problems found


Reran the test to test at ezbizpartner.com and surprise, surprise it worked.


Showing me the detail and the additional debugging techniques helped me out
tremendously.  I really appreciate it.  Once I was able to get error
message, I could track down the rest.  You stare at the problem too long and
your brain freezes (or at least turns to the consistency of slush in my






BTW, I appreciate the compliment about the detail in the problem ticket.  I
hate people not giving me enough information and then expect me to divine an
answer (amateurs).  I stated that I followed the faq page and I should give
out the results of exactly what I did.  Unfortunately, I missed the part
about checking Sendmail for virtual domains (trying to work against a
deadline isn't be an excuse just a fact).  Again thanks.  My problem was
that I was seeing the forwarding to me (I'm also on the list) and I thought
it was doing the forwarding and it was doing default routing.  Now I have to
go and setup all of the other missing aliases.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 10:12 PM
To: Frank L. Parks
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] No mail going out to lists members


Wow!  I think that is the best problem ticket I've ever seen for



You checked cron, so you are not running qrunner out of cron. You *are*

running Mailmanctl which starts up the qrunners.


The aliases should be taking the incoming mail and handing them off to

cgi's that either handle the incoming mail or stuff it into a queue (to

be handled by one of the qrunners).


If you've checked the mail logs, and they show that they delivered mail

to the lists (and handed it off to the cgi "post"), but the mail is not

showing up in the queues, then it sounds like there is a problem with

sendmail executing the "post" cgi.


Try this...

 - turn off the Mailman daemon: mailmanctl stop


 - send a message to one of your mailman lists:

echo "i'm gumby dammit" |mail -s "test from gumby" test at localhost


 - look in the Sendmail logs to see that it was accepted (one entry) and

delivered (another entry):

=== tail /var/log/maillog ===

Sep 18 22:58:36 Anncons4 sendmail[3241]: h8J2wahH003241:

to=test at localhost, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00,

mailer=relay, pri=30046, relay=[] [], dsn=2.0.0,

stat=Sent (h8J2wam8003243 Message accepted for delivery)


Sep 18 22:58:36 Anncons4 sendmail[3244]: h8J2wam8003243:

to="|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post test",

ctladdr=<test2 at Anncons4.anncons.org> (8/0), delay=00:00:00,

xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30599, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent



 - then examine the aliases file and make sure the alias for the list

looks like:

    test:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post test"


 - Now look in the queue files:

cd /var/mailman/qfiles/in





### The *.msg file should contain text of your message###



If that much is working, then your aliases are properly setup and

working with Sendmail. The Mailman version 2.1 cgi "post" is working as

well and placing messages into the inbound Mailman queue for processing.


If you are getting messages into the inbound queue, the next step is to

startup Mailman: mailmanctl start

Then check the queues to make sure that they have been processed by

qrunner.  The logs should show any errors or warnings at this point.


Good Luck - Jon Carnes



On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 17:25, Frank L. Parks wrote:

> Version of Mailman: 2.1.2

> Installed from source

> Version of OS: SuSE 8.0

> MTA: Sendmail


> I have used

> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp as

> guide in trying to track down my problem, but it seems to be a mystery.


> 0. Ran check_perms - no problem

> 1. Checked out grep for cron and mailmanctl no problem

> 2. Check aliases as written in faq - problem wrapper came back to

> Substituted mailman for wrapper and all of the aliases appeared and

> to the proper place.

> 3. Checked for Smrsh - no smrsh

> 4. Interface.  No problem currently running production mail server.

> 5. qrunner does not appear to be a problem.  Checked the qrunner log and

> there are commands in it for ArchRunner, CommandRunner, BounceRunner,

> IncomingRunner, VirginRunner, NewsRunner, and OutgoingRunner

> 6. Locks - Checked out and running process matched

> 7. Logs - The mail log looks good.  It shows the incoming from me and to

> list.

>    Started checking Mailman logs:

>    error - empty

>    smtp-failure - doesn't exist

>    smtp - I don't believe looks right.  There are messages when I set up

> list,                   but none from when I sent in the test message

>    vette - doesn't exist

>    config - doesn't exist

>    post - doesn't exist

>    qrunner - as I stated earlier, no visible problems.  No locking

> etc.

> 8. Qfiles - all directories are empty


> What other information do I need to provide?  I'm able to add users,

> the different list configuration files, etc. through the web interface.  I

> can even upload batch mass subscriptions and get the responses back.


> The one primary thing that I've noticed is that it returns the email to

> list back to me without the [xxxxx-list] on the front.  No error message -

> nothing.


> Hopefully, someone can help find the forest for the trees.


> Thanks,


> Frank




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