<MM-List-Name> Thank You!

tags, which 
renders URLs unclickable.  It also means the pre tag shows up in the 
message, although this can be removed by hacking the code a bit.  For my 
lists putting the messages in a form box was the best fix.  To do this on a 
list by list basis, you copy the article.html template 
into  //mailman/lists//en  (assuming English) then modify:


++   %(body)s
++ 


      Set the text area as you see fit.  A width of 90 fits even smaller 
screens, and will not cut up messages sent with proper line wraps.

<>< Paul





From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Mon Apr 12 20:45:22 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:45:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] apt-get?
Message-ID: 

Is there a place I can apt-get the MailMan install for a Fedora machine?

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From antait at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Apr 12 22:33:00 2004
From: antait at blueyonder.co.uk (Andrew Tait)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:33:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] apt-get?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

Hi there,

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:45:22 -0500, Chris Barnes  
wrote:

> Is there a place I can apt-get the MailMan install for a Fedora machine?

I thought (perhaps incorrectly though) that apt-get was only used under 
Debian distros.  Correct me if I'm wrong!

yum install mailman

will do the whole thing for you.  Docs go to:
/usr/share/doc/mailman-x.x.x/
and you get a nice
KXXmailman
in /etc/rcX.d
to chkconfig into life once you've done the basic config.

I hope this helps,

Andrew



From tpf at canes.gsw.edu  Mon Apr 12 22:40:04 2004
From: tpf at canes.gsw.edu (Tim Faircloth)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:40:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] apt-get?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
 
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20040412163853.0256eb50@canes.gsw.edu>

At 04:33 PM 4/12/2004, you wrote:
>Hi there,
>
>On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:45:22 -0500, Chris Barnes  
>wrote:
>
>>Is there a place I can apt-get the MailMan install for a Fedora machine?
>
>I thought (perhaps incorrectly though) that apt-get was only used under 
>Debian distros.  Correct me if I'm wrong!

Technically, there is an "apt-rpm" package you can install for 
redhat/fedora/mandrake that works the same as Debian's apt-get, but uses 
rpm depositories instead of deb repositories.

/tim
-- 
Tim Faircloth, System Administrator
GSW OIIT
Office: (229) 931-5076	Beeper: (229) 928-1458




From bronto at csd-bes.net  Mon Apr 12 23:02:51 2004
From: bronto at csd-bes.net (bronto at csd-bes.net)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:02:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron errors
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1081787222.732fb676f144a@horde.csd-bes.net>
	
Message-ID: <1081803771.1d44b5517f30c@horde.csd-bes.net>

I did check all of my partitions, and the partition for /var/ has about 20gb of
space.  What further investigation DID reveal is that the partition that
handles everything else really did run out of space, as a result of an out of
control backup temp file.  First thing I did when I got in this morning was OK
an error message on the server (no mention of lack of space), then check my
email.  By the time I saw the email notifications, the temp file was gone and
there was plenty of space.

Bottom line, problem solved.

Rob


Quoting Andrew Tait :

> On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:27:02 -0700,  wrote:
>
> > This morning when I got in to work, my mail box was full of cron error
> > notifications that resulted from Mailman cron jobs.  What do they mean?
> > ________________________________________
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> > IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device
> > ___________________________________________________
> >
> > "No space left on device" seems plain enough, but I've checked my drive
> > space
> > and there's tons of space left - more than 200mb.
>
> Have you run:
> df -h
> to ensure there is enough room in all partitions, eg if /var/ is on a
> separate partition?
>
> Andrew
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>





From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Mon Apr 12 23:27:44 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:27:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to remove
	X-Confirm-Reading requests from mail headers distributed by Mailman
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <407AA760.28086.FE16383@localhost>

I know this might be simplistic, and I cannot get it to work, but  the Defaults.py say 
the following:




# These variables controls how headers must be cleansed in order to be
# accepted by your NNTP server.  Some servers like INN reject messages
# containing prohibited headers, or duplicate headers.  The NNTP server may
# reject the message for other reasons, but there's little that can be
# programmatically done about that.  See Mailman/Queue/NewsRunner.py
#
# First, these headers (case ignored) are removed from the original message.
NNTP_REMOVE_HEADERS = ['nntp-posting-host', 'nntp-posting-date', 'x-
trace',
                       'x-complaints-to', 'xref', 'date-received', 'posted',
                       'posting-version', 'relay-version', 'received']

# Next, these headers are left alone, unless there are duplicates in the
# original message.  Any second and subsequent headers are rewritten to the
# second named header (case preserved).
NNTP_REWRITE_DUPLICATE_HEADERS = [
    ('to', 'X-Original-To'),
    ('cc', 'X-Original-Cc'),
    ('content-transfer-encoding', 'X-Original-Content-Transfer-Encoding'),
    ('mime-version', 'X-MIME-Version'),
    ]


I was trying to use it to remove X-Mailer and X-Url codes, but as I read it this should 
also remove the original received header - which would be great for announce only 
lists.  Since my IP is in the header my attacks on my personal machine get out of 
hand by pop-up spammers.


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
inconvenienced.



From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Mon Apr 12 23:27:39 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:27:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: apt-get?
References:  
Message-ID: 

Andrew Tait  wrote:
> I thought (perhaps incorrectly though) that apt-get was only used
> under Debian distros.  Correct me if I'm wrong!


apt is pretty standard in Fedora now....

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From antait at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Apr 12 23:29:20 2004
From: antait at blueyonder.co.uk (Andrew Tait)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:29:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] apt-get?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.1.20040412163853.0256eb50@canes.gsw.edu>
References:  
	<6.0.0.22.1.20040412163853.0256eb50@canes.gsw.edu>
Message-ID: 

Hi,

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:40:04 -0400, Tim Faircloth  
wrote:

> At 04:33 PM 4/12/2004, you wrote:

>> I thought (perhaps incorrectly though) that apt-get was only used under 
>> Debian distros.  Correct me if I'm wrong!
>
> Technically, there is an "apt-rpm" package you can install for 
> redhat/fedora/mandrake that works the same as Debian's apt-get, but uses 
> rpm depositories instead of deb repositories.

Interesting, although I suspect that we have gone from the state a couple 
of years ago where package management was a black art to a situation where 
there are dozens of these "solve dependencies, download and install" tools.

Yum is awesome.  I took me ages to get cyrus-imapd running on my dev box 
here, compiling and cooking config files from scratch.  A simple yum 
install on my deployed server took about 5 minutes and ran out of the box 
with about 20 minutes of tweaking.  *sighs*

Hopefully it's tools like this which will bring Linux much, much closer to 
wider acceptance by the user, rather than by the sysadmins like 
yourself/syshackers like me.  :-)

Thanks for the gem of info.  Today has been full of these!

Cheers,

Andrew



From karl at sfdata.net  Tue Apr 13 02:19:17 2004
From: karl at sfdata.net (Karl R. Balsmeier)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:19:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] README.Exim vs. "Using exim and Mailman together"
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<6.0.0.22.1.20040412163853.0256eb50@canes.gsw.edu>
	
Message-ID: <11614.216.175.81.169.1081815557.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>

Which doumentation should I be using for Exim 3/ Mailman 2.1.2 OpenBSD?

No, really.  They are vastly different as pertains to UID/GIDs, transports
and directors.  There's no date on one of them.  This is getting a bit
depressing.

1.  README.Exim, which comes with mailman, written by Nigel M., states:
    All UID/GID settings must match those given in the code fragments below:

MAILMAN_USER=mailman
MAILMAN_GROUP=mailman

2.  "Using Exim and MM together" also written by Nigel M. on
http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html states:

All UID/GID settings must match those given in the code fragments below:

MAILMAN_UID=exim
MAILMAN_GID=exim

I have Mailman working enough to create lists and send confirmation emails
to a local user on the same box.

I am however unable to do much else because testing is nearly impossible
without some initial framework to start off on.

-krb








From John at vqis.net  Tue Apr 13 02:57:00 2004
From: John at vqis.net (John S. Strock)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:57:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting
Message-ID: <000701c420f2$3ad02330$6400a8c0@Tiger1>

I'm moving from one hosting company to another, how can I export my current
list so that I can import it into mailman on my new server?  I'm currently
running mailman v2.1.3.

 

Thanks,

 

John 

 

 



From kclair at karl.serve.com  Tue Apr 13 03:06:23 2004
From: kclair at karl.serve.com (Kristina Clair)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:06:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web interface not saving changes
In-Reply-To: <1081799673.407af3f9e4934@email.think.co.za>
References: <20040412162608.GA8761@karl.serve.com>
	<1081799673.407af3f9e4934@email.think.co.za>
Message-ID: <20040413010623.GC13025@karl.serve.com>

nope, not using frames.

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 09:54:33PM +0200, Hilton J Ralphs wrote:
- Are you perhaps using frames?
- 
- I found that this is a problem.
- -- 
- Regards
- Hilton
- 
- 
- Quoting Kristina Clair :
- 
- >  How is that?  The only thing that I'm using in httpd.conf is 
- >  ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
- >  
- >  thanks,
- >  Kristina
- >  
- > - On Sat, Apr 10, 2004 at 10:34:38AM -0400, jonc at nc.rr.com wrote:
- > - - 
- > - - Your accessing the site via a redirect. The redirect is tossing away your
- > Post data.
- > - - 
- 



From djchinita at lycos.com  Tue Apr 13 04:50:43 2004
From: djchinita at lycos.com (j k)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:50:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] turn off archiving of attachments
Message-ID: 

Hi all,

I have my lists set for archiving, but I don't want to save the attachments people sent. However, I do want people to be able to send them, so I have the max_message_size = 0.

I don't want to keep them. I'm using mailman 2.1.3.

Any ideas? 
Thanks,
JK


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From yves at zioup.com  Tue Apr 13 04:39:01 2004
From: yves at zioup.com (Yves Dorfsman)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:39:01 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to approve a message
Message-ID: 


How does one approve a message ?

On one of my list, when a non-member sends a message I get this:

If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact,
Mailman will discard the held message.  Do this if the message is
spam.  If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header
with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting
to the list.  The Approved: header can also appear in the first line
of the body of the reply.


For the ones I want to be discarded, I simply reply, and sure enough it
discards the message. But no combination of "Approved: something" I
have sent back makes it accept the message.

Any idea ?


Thanks,


Yves.
----
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                                         http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~dorfsmay
                                         http://www.SollerS.ca




From artash at joimail.com  Mon Apr 12 22:41:28 2004
From: artash at joimail.com (Art)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:41:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] footers (disappear)
Message-ID: <000601c420ce$889626b0$ccdb3f40@none24e8676nxm>

I am having a problem with Outlook. I am using Windows XP. I have never had this problem. I was recieving messages and i redieved email messages without bodies hust suject, sender etc. Even my old email messages lost their message bodies. What happened?


From info at mariaporres.com  Mon Apr 12 23:47:48 2004
From: info at mariaporres.com (Maria Porres,info)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:47:48 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wishlist: weekly digest
Message-ID: <000901c3fd5f$d34c0180$745eae3e@tueresmas>

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soy maria porres de sevilla.??te acuerdas de mi??
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From hozyurt at hacettepe.edu.tr  Tue Apr 13 13:47:45 2004
From: hozyurt at hacettepe.edu.tr (Huseyin OZYURT)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:47:45 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Sun ONE/iPlanet Messenger
Message-ID: <0HW300DBLY61UQ@akd-lh.hacettepe.edu.tr>

Hi;

I have install mailman on iplanet server 5.2;I have made everything at this
page http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-October/023438.html
but do not running. When I send a message to test mail list I have a error.
This error is 

 

  Subject:                 dene

      Sent:                 4/13/2004 2:34 PM

 

The following recipient(s) could not be reached:

 

      'test-owner at hacettepe.edu.tr' on 4/13/2004 2:34 PM

            550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: test-owner at hacettepe.edu.tr

 

 

How could I solve this problem????



From mlmpros at mlmpros.biz  Tue Apr 13 09:52:55 2004
From: mlmpros at mlmpros.biz (MLMPros)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 02:52:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email filtering
Message-ID: <00ff01c4212c$571ccf40$d3da28d8@jwgmg>

I have set my cpanel mail account to :fail: at mlmpros.biz for all addresses not specifically listed. My mailing list address is startpagedepot at mlmpros.biz . I am receiving numerous virus and spam emails with varrying addresses such as pot at mlmpros.biz, epot at mlmpros.biz, depot at mlmpros.biz, etc. These emails are delivered to the list administrator as posts by a non-member to a members only list. WHY? They are not legitimate addresses.

John Grafflin

From antait at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Apr 13 14:31:52 2004
From: antait at blueyonder.co.uk (Andrew Tait)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:31:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Sun ONE/iPlanet Messenger
In-Reply-To: <0HW300DBLY61UQ@akd-lh.hacettepe.edu.tr>
References: <0HW300DBLY61UQ@akd-lh.hacettepe.edu.tr>
Message-ID: 

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:47:45 +0300, Huseyin OZYURT 
 wrote:

> Hi;
>
> I have install mailman on iplanet server 5.2;I have made everything at 
> this
> page 
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-October/023438.html
> but do not running. When I send a message to test mail list I have a 
> error.
> This error is
>             550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: 
> test-owner at hacettepe.edu.tr

It looks like a simple aliasing problem.  You'll need to find your aliases 
file for your distro (mine is /etc/aliases), and add something like:
test-owner: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner test"
...to it.
When you created the list it should have given you this list of aliases to 
insert.  There is one alias for each virtual email address used by 
mailman: test-request; test-subscribe etc.  I can post my aliases stub 
here if you want.

Then rebuild the aliases db with something like:
newaliases

Obviously the specifics depend on which versions of sendmail and mailman 
you are running, and in which folder you have installed it.

Andrew



From tpf at canes.gsw.edu  Tue Apr 13 14:47:31 2004
From: tpf at canes.gsw.edu (Tim Faircloth)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:47:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Sun ONE/iPlanet Messenger
In-Reply-To: 
References: <0HW300DBLY61UQ@akd-lh.hacettepe.edu.tr>
	
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20040413084313.025c1b90@canes.gsw.edu>

At 08:31 AM 4/13/2004, you wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:47:45 +0300, Huseyin OZYURT 
> wrote:
>
>>Hi;
>>
>>I have install mailman on iplanet server 5.2;I have made everything at this
>>page http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-October/023438.html
>>but do not running. When I send a message to test mail list I have a error.
>>This error is
>>             550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: test-owner at hacettepe.edu.tr
>
>It looks like a simple aliasing problem.  You'll need to find your aliases 
>file for your distro (mine is /etc/aliases), and add something like:
>test-owner: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner test"
>...to it.
>When you created the list it should have given you this list of aliases to 
>insert.  There is one alias for each virtual email address used by 
>mailman: test-request; test-subscribe etc.  I can post my aliases stub 
>here if you want.
>
>Then rebuild the aliases db with something like:
>newaliases

It could also be a problem with your MTA as well.  For example, Sendmail 
won't allow any application to send mail unless it resides in a specific 
directory (in my case /var/adm/sm.bin).  To fix this problem, I had to 
place a link to the mailman program in /var/adm/sm.bin:

$ ln -s /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman /var/adm/sm.bin/mailman

and change the aliases line to use the symlink instead of using the binary 
directly.  The line would look something like this:
test-owner: "| /var/adm/sm.bin/mailman"

/tim
-- 
Tim Faircloth, System Administrator
GSW OIIT
Office: (229) 931-5076	Beeper: (229) 928-1458




From anner at blast.com  Tue Apr 13 16:11:13 2004
From: anner at blast.com (Anne Ramey)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:11:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 550: user unknown
In-Reply-To: <1081678140.3343.33.camel@perestroika>
References: <1081678140.3343.33.camel@perestroika>
Message-ID: <6C38EDD7-8D54-11D8-9BAD-000A959E1C16@blast.com>

Did you set up your aliases for the list in postfix's alias file?  It 
looks from below like you set this up for mailman--not accessible by 
postfix.

Anne
On Apr 11, 2004, at 6:09 AM, esteve serra clavera wrote:

> hi again,
> for those who have asked more details on my user unknown error and for
> the ones can help me now, here are some more details
>
> as on mailman setup, i added to main.cf
>
>
> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
> alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
> virtual_maps =mysql:/etc/postfix/virtual.cf,
> #hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
> local_recipient_maps = unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps
> $virtual_mailbox_maps
> virtual_mailbox_maps=mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virt.cf
> local_transport = virtual
>
>
> [virtual-mailman hasn't been generated. i guess it's because i only use
> one domain so it's useless]
>
>
> it seems it has generated properly the aliases of the lists
>
> xxxxxx:/usr/local/mailman/data# ls -l
> total 36
> -rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman       357 Apr 11 11:56 aliases
> -rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman     12288 Apr 11 11:56 aliases.db
> -rw-r--r--    1 root     mailman        10 Mar 20 20:36
> last_mailman_version
> -rw-r--r--    1 root     mailman     14110 Mar 20 20:35 sitelist.cfg
>
>
> when sending an email to one test list it appears at /var/log/mail.log
>
> Apr 11 12:04:06 xxxxxx postfix/smtpd[4867]: connect from
> yyyyyy[192.168.1.2]
> Apr 11 12:04:06 xxxxxx postfix/smtpd[4867]: 58673C676A:
> client=yyyyyy[192.168.1.2]
> Apr 11 12:04:06 xxxxxx postfix/smtpd[4867]: reject: RCPT from
> yyyyyy[192.168.1.2]: 550 : User unknown;
> from= to=
> Apr 11 12:04:11 xxxxxx postfix/smtpd[4867]: disconnect from
> yyyyyy[192.168.1.2]
>
> so, what might be wrong?
> thanks to everyone
> -- 
>
>
> esteve serra clavera
> jotm at e-club.info




From texascritter at ditb.net  Tue Apr 13 17:21:54 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:21:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email filtering
References: <00ff01c4212c$571ccf40$d3da28d8@jwgmg>
Message-ID: <00cc01c4216b$0e3220c0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

MLMPros wrote:

> I have set my cpanel mail account to :fail: at mlmpros.biz for all
> addresses not specifically listed.

That's only for mail sent TO non-existent email addresses at your domain.
It does not check the From address on mail sent to you or your lists.

If mail is addressed TO your mailing list, then that's a valid email
address and it will get delivered to your list.  Then Mailman looks to see
who it's from and checks your list settings to see if it should be accepted
or discarded or held for your approval.

> My mailing list address is
> startpagedepot at mlmpros.biz . I am receiving numerous virus and spam
> emails with varrying addresses such as pot at mlmpros.biz,
> epot at mlmpros.biz, depot at mlmpros.biz, etc.

It's a common spammer trick to use your own domain in the From address to
evade spam filters.  Viruses also spoof any domain they find on the
infected computers.  Spammers also send viruses to attempt to infect more
computers and use them as spam proxies.

> These emails are delivered to
> the list administrator as posts by a non-member to a members only list.
> WHY? They are not legitimate addresses.

Mailman can't verify if they are legitimate addresses, it can only check
your list settings to see if they're members or if they pass other posting
filters such as non-member addresses allowed to post, etc.

You can set your list to discard postings from non-members.  Go to Privacy
Options > Sender Filters and for "Action to take for postings from
non-members for which no explicit action is defined", select Discard and
click the Submit Your Changes button.  Then all those spam and viruses will
be automatically discarded and you won't see them.

hth,
texas critter

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From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Apr 13 19:31:19 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:31:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Exporting
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040413121924.01c5a2d8@127.0.0.1>

John S. Strock wrote:
>I'm moving from one hosting company to another, how can I export my current
>list so that I can import it into mailman on my new server?  I'm currently
>running mailman v2.1.3.

      My experience was from a crash and restore - with a move from 2.1.2 
to 2.1.4 in the process.  I tarred the whole Mailman directory, transferred 
it, and untarred in to a dummy directory.  I installed Mailman as normal 
(new version) and created the Mailman list.  Then I copied 
mailman/lists/ and /mailman/archives from the dummy to the 
new install.  Added the aliases, and it all worked perfectly.
      I don't see why you can't just tar and move mailman/lists/ 
and /mailman/archives.

<>< Paul



From devnull at silverdream.org  Tue Apr 13 19:32:43 2004
From: devnull at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:32:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Exporting
References: <000701c420f2$3ad02330$6400a8c0@Tiger1>
Message-ID: 

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:57:00 -0700, John S. Strock scribbled down:
> I'm moving from one hosting company to another, how can I export my current
> list so that I can import it into mailman on my new server?  I'm currently
> running mailman v2.1.3.

The following FAQ entry might help you:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.018.htp

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From mikk at microbsys.com  Tue Apr 13 19:34:25 2004
From: mikk at microbsys.com (Michael D. Mikkelsen)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:34:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] repost of SimpleCookie error
Message-ID: <407C24A1.4060705@microbsys.com>

Please forgive the repost of this question.  Still hoping for help.


Hello all,

I found this "SimpleCookie" error in the mailman list archive, but the 
answer (deleting all cookies) didn't work for me.

Problem:  Since upgrading to 2.1.4, all my lists are up and running just fine, but 
logging onto any admin page results in the following message
(after giving password):


Traceback (most recent call last):
 File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
   main()
 File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 88, in main
   cgidata.getvalue('adminpw', '')):
 File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 226, in WebAuthenticate
   print self.MakeCookie(ac, user)
 File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 239, in MakeCookie
   c = Cookie.SimpleCookie()
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'SimpleCookie'



Any insights would be appreciated.

TIA

--
Michael D. Mikkelsen

One By One The Penguins Steal My Sanity




From rick at niof.net  Wed Apr 14 02:05:04 2004
From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:05:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where is 'last autoresponse' limit set?
Message-ID: <20040414000503.GP23273@niof.net>

I've been getting emails like this from the system:

> Subject: Last autoresponse notification for today
> 
> We have received a message from your address `rick at niof.net'
> requesting an automated response from the Afclt at niof.net mailing list.
> We have seen 10 such messages from you today.  In order to avoid
> problems such as mail loops between email robots, we will not be
> sending you any further email responses today.  Please try again
> tomorrow.

I have no control over how many spams from non-members get sent to the
list so why should there be a limit as to how many times I can cancel
such postings by return email?

-- 
"One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that
 one's work is terribly important." -- Bertrand Russell
    Rick Pasotto    rick at niof.net    http://www.niof.net



From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in  Wed Apr 14 10:41:57 2004
From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:11:57 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman virtual host??
Message-ID: <21972.195.212.28.100.1081932117.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>

hi

I have a domain say -- mydomain.com
I added lists.mydomain.com to my ougoing instance of postfix
Also added /var/mailman/data/alias to alias_maps (ran postaliases)
then I added /var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman to virtual_maps (ran postmap)

Then I added a mailman list called: yogesh at lists.mydomain.com
it added relevant entries in /var/mailman/data/alias like this:
yogesh:             "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post yogesh"
yogesh-admin:       "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin yogesh"
yogesh-bounces:     "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces yogesh"
yogesh-confirm:     "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm yogesh"
yogesh-join:        "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join yogesh"
yogesh-leave:       "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave yogesh"
yogesh-owner:       "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner yogesh"
yogesh-request:     "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request yogesh"
yogesh-subscribe:   "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe yogesh"
yogesh-unsubscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe yogesh"


Then I added following to my /var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
yogesh at lists.mydomain.com               yogesh
yogesh-admin at lists.mydomain.com         yogesh-admin
yogesh-bounces at lists.mydomain.com       yogesh-bounces
yogesh-confirm at lists.mydomain.com       yogesh-confirm
yogesh-join at lists.mydomain.com          yogesh-join
yogesh-leave at lists.mydomain.com         yogesh-leave
yogesh-owner at lists.mydomain.com         yogesh-owner
yogesh-request at lists.mydomain.com       yogesh-request
yogesh-subscribe at lists.mydomain.com     yogesh-subscribe
yogesh-unsubscribe at lists.mydomain.com   yogesh-unsubscribe

Now when I send a mail to this list: yogesh at lists.mydomain.com ... the
last lines in Postfix logs I see is:

Apr 14 07:05:54 ihqm001a1 postfix-out/qmgr[623]: D6B292B9:
From=, size=744, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 14 07:05:55 ihqm001a1 postfix-out/local[1670]: D6B292B9:
to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent
("|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post yogesh")

Nothing happens after this. Can anyone help please?

--yogesh











From richard at endace.com  Wed Apr 14 11:50:10 2004
From: richard at endace.com (Richard Stevenson)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:50:10 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] shunted messages deemed to be duplicates?
Message-ID: 

Hi

For some reason, I had mailman choking on some messages but not others,
and a reinstall of mailman didn't fix it.. neither did a reinstall of
python.  There were over 5400 files in qfiles/shunt, which was fun.  I've
transferred my lists to a new system, copied across those files, and run
"unshunt".  All the spam went through for moderation, but all of the
legitimate mail that had been shunted was discarded, allegedly because it
was all duplicates!  The problem is that none of it had been sent out at
all.  Is there any way to unshunt messages and *not* have the
duplicate-detection logic kick in?  I've still got copies of the shunted
files...

Cheers

Richard


-- 
Richard Stevenson




From wallotta at rpsweb.com  Tue Apr 13 15:50:24 2004
From: wallotta at rpsweb.com (Wendy Allotta)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:50:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing List Administrator
Message-ID: <000801c4215e$45e192b0$e2e7a118@D6T7HS31>

We need to change the email address of our list administrator.  How do we do this?

Roy Varner
Woodlands Photo Club
832-928-3168

From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Wed Apr 14 14:29:32 2004
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:29:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] converting list from one architecture to another
Message-ID: 

We're considering moving an existing mailman structure from solaris to
linux. Once the new linux platform is built and configured, can I get
away with just moving the list data to the new machine ie assuming nothing
is queued up or awaiting admin approval,

copy $MAILMAN/archives to the new machine,
copy $MAILMAN/lists to the new machine,
copy $MAILMAN/Mailman/{Default|mm_cfg}.py* over also.

Thanks


 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies




From ozkanmac at kobiline.com  Tue Apr 13 14:13:49 2004
From: ozkanmac at kobiline.com (ozkan ozcan - grafiker)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:13:49 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Turkish support
Message-ID: 


How can I find Turkish support or Turkish documentation for Mailman.

eguler at aegee.metu.edu.tr is not responding.

Thanks

Ozkan




From python at misc.lka.org.lu  Tue Apr 13 22:23:46 2004
From: python at misc.lka.org.lu (Alain Knaff)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:23:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird archiving problem...
Message-ID: <200404132223.46816@linuxrulz>

At our site (lll.lgl.lu), we are running several mailing lists.

One of them got into a weird state where it no longer archives any
mail. All our other lists archive just fine.

Yes, the "Archive Messages" box of the troubled list is set to Yes.
Toggling it between Yes and No several times didn't help
either. Neither did setting it to monthly archives and then back to
yearly archives.

Renaming the archive directories (archives/private/mylist ...) and
mbox file to some other list works fine with the new list: i.e. the
archive directory structure itself does not seem to be corrupted.

The list directory had a request.db file whose last modified date was
the exact date when the archive stopped working. The file was
byte-by-byte identical to the request.db file of a neighboring list
whose archive works just fine. Removing the file didn't fix the
problem (and didn't break anything else either, at least not in an
obvious way).

Does anybody have an idea how to fix the situation (short of creating
a new list, and moving all subscribers over...)

Thanks,

Alain









From e at melendez.org  Wed Apr 14 17:36:58 2004
From: e at melendez.org (Edward Melendez)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:36:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bugs/Restoring
Message-ID: <407D5A9A.7010004@melendez.org>

Hi,

I recently made some changes to my Administrative interface for one of 
my lists and got the "Bug" message, which I'll paste below.  I am 
looking for a way to essentially restore the list to what it was before 
(so I can take care to not recreate the bug), or, in lieu of that, reset 
it to the default settings, preserving the address database.  Thanks!

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 238, in main
     mlist.Save()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 530, in Save
     self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 235, in 
CheckHTMLArchiveDir
     breaklink(pubdir)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 55, in 
breaklink
     os.unlink(link)
OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: 
'/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/uc'






From fmouse-mailman at fmp.com  Wed Apr 14 18:19:15 2004
From: fmouse-mailman at fmp.com (fmouse-mailman at fmp.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:19:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] VERP problem
Message-ID: <20040414161915.GJ24473@fmp.com>

I admin nearly identical installations of mailman on two different servers. 
On both, I have the following set in mm_cfg.py:

VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = Yes
VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes
VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1

On one system, running qmail as the MTA, VERP works as expected.  On the
other, running courier as the MTA (although qmail is installed as well), I
can't get mailman to use VERP at all.  Is it possible that the misbehaving
install won't do VERP because it doesn't recognize the SMTP daemon as being
VERP capable (which it is)?  Is there some other config variable I need to
set or something I need to do in the build to make VERP work as expected?

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From paul at thcwd.com  Wed Apr 14 19:25:15 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:25:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Changing List Administrator
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040414121859.01b6aec0@127.0.0.1>

Wendy Allotta wrote:
>We need to change the email address of our list administrator.  How do we 
>do this?

      For Mailman 2.1.x you can do it via the web interface by changing the 
admin for the "Mailman" list.  Go to 
http://yoursite.tld/mailman/admin/mailman , make the change, and hit submit.

<>< Paul



From ck at ub.fu-berlin.de  Wed Apr 14 19:40:37 2004
From: ck at ub.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Krempe)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:40:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with CSS
Message-ID: <1300.160.45.152.250.1081964437.squirrel@golem.ub.fu-berlin.de>

Hi,

is it possible to add some CSS-stuff to mailman? I've looked for some
place in the sourcecode but didn't find the right place.

Thanks,


Gru?
Christoph Krempe

Freie Universitaet Berlin
- Universitaetsbibliothek -
Christoph Krempe               Tel: 030/838 54583
Garystrasse 39                 Fax: 030/838 54582
14195 Berlin
Germany





From dlc at cs.appstate.edu  Wed Apr 14 20:21:02 2004
From: dlc at cs.appstate.edu (Darryl Cook)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:21:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Import Archives from majordomo
Message-ID: <407D810E.7080602@cs.appstate.edu>

Does anyone know if there is a way to import archived messages from 
majordomo to Mailman??

thanks,
darryl



From fmouse-mailman at fmp.com  Wed Apr 14 21:12:21 2004
From: fmouse-mailman at fmp.com (fmouse-mailman at fmp.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:12:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalized lists??
Message-ID: <20040414191221.GA31397@fmp.com>

I'm using mailman 2.1.4.

There is very little description of "personalized lists" in the mailman
documentation.  The FAQ says:


Q. Can I put the user's address in the footer that Mailman adds to
   each message?

A. Yes, in Mailman 2.1.  The site admin needs to enable
   personalization by setting the following variables in the mm_cfg.py
   file:

    VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 1
    VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 1
    VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1
    VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 1

   Once this is done, list admins can enable personalization for
   regular delivery members (digest deliveries can't be
   personalized currently).  A personalized list can include the
   user's address in the footer.


I've set the required variables in mm_cfg.py, however I find no reference to
personalization in the per-list mailman web UI, nor can I find any reference
to it in a flat-file extraction of the list config with config_list.  I read
that there should be an option to enable "Full personalization" somewhere,
but I don't see it anywhere.

Can anyone enlighten me on this?

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From e at melendez.org  Wed Apr 14 21:18:00 2004
From: e at melendez.org (Edward Melendez)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:18:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
Message-ID: <407D8E68.7040205@melendez.org>

I want to set up an announce only list and I have fixed the HTML in the 
public info pages so that the "To post a message to this list..." 
message is gone.  How can I do that in the confirmation e-mail that gets 
sent to subscribers?

Thanks,

Ed
http://www.melendez.org



From fmouse-mailman at fmp.com  Wed Apr 14 21:21:32 2004
From: fmouse-mailman at fmp.com (Lindsay Haisley)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:21:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] VERP problem
In-Reply-To: <20040414161915.GJ24473@fmp.com>
References: <20040414161915.GJ24473@fmp.com>
Message-ID: <20040414192132.GB31397@fmp.com>

I should add that I also have VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 1 and get very mixed
results.  In no case is the confirmation request VERPed, but if I use the
administrative web UI to add a subscriber, the welcome msg to the subscribed
address is VERPed.  If I subscribe using the unauthenticated public web UI
(and respond to a confirmation req.) the welcome message is _not_ VERPed. 
Go figure.

I still have no answer to the problem quoted below.

Thus spake fmouse-mailman at fmp.com on Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 11:19:15AM CDT
> I admin nearly identical installations of mailman on two different servers. 
> On both, I have the following set in mm_cfg.py:
> 
> VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = Yes
> VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes
> VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1
> 
> On one system, running qmail as the MTA, VERP works as expected.  On the
> other, running courier as the MTA (although qmail is installed as well), I
> can't get mailman to use VERP at all.  Is it possible that the misbehaving
> install won't do VERP because it doesn't recognize the SMTP daemon as being
> VERP capable (which it is)?  Is there some other config variable I need to
> set or something I need to do in the build to make VERP work as expected?
> 
> -- 
> Lindsay Haisley       | "Everything works    |     PGP public key
> FMP Computer Services |       if you let it" |      available at
> 512-259-1190          |    (The Roadie)      | 
> http://www.fmp.com    |                      |
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

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From alex at solms.co.za  Wed Apr 14 22:32:27 2004
From: alex at solms.co.za (Alexander F. Hartner)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:32:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error when sending to list
Message-ID: 

I get the following error when I post a message to a list. I am using 
version 2.1.4.

*  net-mail/mailman
       Latest version available: 2.1.4
       Latest version installed: 2.1.4
       Size of downloaded files: 5,644 kB
       Homepage:    http://www.list.org/
       Description: A python-based mailing list server with an extensive 
web interface
       License:     GPL-2

Apr 14 22:08:08 2004 (24020) SHUNTING: 
1081973288.174943+831823bc168eb5d998cbb781597f61e7a9f66b96
Apr 14 22:35:10 2004 (24020) Uncaught runner exception: unpack list of 
wrong size
Apr 14 22:35:10 2004 (24020) Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in 
_oneloop
     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in 
_onefile
     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, 
in _dispose
   keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, 
in _dispose
     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, 
in _dopipeline
     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 91, in 
process
     send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 132, in 
send_digests
     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 306, in 
send_i18n_digests
     msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 265, in 
process
     url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 359, in 
save_attachment
     fnext = os.path.splitext(msg.get_filename(''))[1]
   File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 708, in 
get_filename
     filename = self.get_param('filename', missing, 
'content-disposition')
   File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 591, in 
get_param
     for k, v in self._get_params_preserve(failobj, header):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 538, in 
_get_params_preserve
     params = Utils.decode_params(params)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 337, in 
decode_params
     charset, language, value = decode_rfc2231(EMPTYSTRING.join(value))
   File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 284, in 
decode_rfc2231
     charset, language, s = parts
ValueError: unpack list of wrong size

Apr 14 22:35:10 2004 (24020) SHUNTING: 
1081974910.5523369+9e7a427c69469d30f1efcf046221ca14f8adff8f

From devnull at silverdream.org  Wed Apr 14 23:28:47 2004
From: devnull at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:28:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Changing List Administrator
References: <000801c4215e$45e192b0$e2e7a118@D6T7HS31>
Message-ID: 

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:50:24 -0400, Wendy Allotta scribbled down:

> We need to change the email address of our list administrator.  How do we do this?

You'll find the option to change the email address of the list
administrator in the web interface. Funny that.

- --
- -jamie  | spamtrap: spam at silverdream.org
 w: http://www.silverdream.org | p: sms at silverdream.org
 pgp key @ http://silverdream.org/~jps/pub.key
 21:30:01 up  6:39, 11 users,  load average: 2.35, 2.29, 2.35

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From devnull at silverdream.org  Wed Apr 14 23:33:14 2004
From: devnull at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:33:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: postfix + mailman virtual host??
References: <21972.195.212.28.100.1081932117.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
Message-ID: 

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:11:57 +0530, Yogesh Subhash Talekar scribbled down:

> Apr 14 07:05:54 ihqm001a1 postfix-out/qmgr[623]: D6B292B9:
> From=, size=744, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
> Apr 14 07:05:55 ihqm001a1 postfix-out/local[1670]: D6B292B9:
> to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent
> ("|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post yogesh")
> 
> Nothing happens after this. Can anyone help please?

Have a look at your Mailman logs and see if MM says it has actually
received the post. You might like to take a look at this [well
referenced to] FAQ entry: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#1.7

HTH

- -- 
- -jamie  | spamtrap: spam at silverdream.org
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From drjones at vii.com  Thu Apr 15 00:49:20 2004
From: drjones at vii.com (Dr. Jones)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:49:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble getting Mailman to route my messages
Message-ID: <407DBFF0.5050706@vii.com>

I have Mailman 2.1.4-3 installed on my debian 3.0 system. I have a 
mailing list set up, with a few members added. If I send a message using 
mutt, a la:

    echo 'hello world' | mutt some at email.address

When I issue that, it shows up, in whichever of 5 email accounts I 
manage on my linux box. Yet, I can't get either an invite or a 
subscription addition of any of those 5 email addresses to receive any 
notification from Mailman.

Any ideas where to start with this?

Scott

-- 
Dr. Scott S. Jones
Hands-On Chiropractic 
IRC: irc.freenode.net #utah
Yahoo: sanchiro12





From jswift at alberni.net  Thu Apr 15 03:09:05 2004
From: jswift at alberni.net (Jim Swift)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:09:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome message
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20040409101435.026ac8e0@postoffice.pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <004a01c42286$3f1e02f0$1400a8c0@oston>

Sorry to be asking this a third time, but I am sure someone here knows
the answer. If not, does anyone know  where can I find the answer. 

My ISP is running Mailman as part of Cpanel and neither of us can find
the location of the text of the basic welcome message to modify it.
There does not seem to be any Site Admin password or access that we
can find in the Cpanel screen. 

How can I modify the part of the welcome message that is common to all
lists? 

jswift




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Apr 15 03:43:17 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 03:43:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome message
In-Reply-To: <004a01c42286$3f1e02f0$1400a8c0@oston>
References: <004a01c42286$3f1e02f0$1400a8c0@oston>
Message-ID: 

At 6:09 PM -0700 2004/04/14, Jim Swift wrote:

>  How can I modify the part of the welcome message that is common to all
>  lists?

	I think you need to modify the template files that are included 
with Mailman, but $DEITY only knows how they have been modified by 
CPanel, or where they are now located.  If I am correct, then you 
would need to have direct access to the system -- I'm pretty sure 
that there's no way to modify these files from the web interface, 
unless CPanel added that functionality.


	Unfortunately, the CPanel folks have been uncooperative, and our 
ability to support them is pretty much nonexistent.

	See 
 
for more information.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See  for more info.



From Mark at Rauterkus.com  Thu Apr 15 06:17:01 2004
From: Mark at Rauterkus.com (Mark Rauterkus)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 23:17:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Part one -- broken lists
Message-ID: <200404150317.i3F3HGR4024076@rauterkus.com>

Hi All,

FreeBSD, Mailman 2.0.10, Virtual Server, hosted at Bluehill.Com.

Mailman broke. ???

I've been running Mailman for a couple of years. But there has been some
weirness in the past week. First, after a lot of spam and very idle lists,
the usr/local/mailman/logs/errors grew like a weed.

Some lists had up to 300 spam messages waiting for moderator approval. Ouch.

So I did a lot of clean-up -- but something broke.

Web pages work. But, mail sent to server arrives and then nothing else
happens. All the files in the /logs do not move.
    Nothing with vette, smpt, subscribes, etc.

I've got a back-up of my archives and my main subscriber files.

So, I'm looking for trouble-shooting insights -- or else I might just NUKE
the Mailman and then do the Virtual Server Install off the ISP's command:
    vinstall mailman

But, it seems as if the vinstall mailman keeps Mailman at version 2.0.10.

Sorry so vauge.



Ta.

Mark Rauterkus            http://Play.CLOH.Org
xCoach at Rauterkus.com      http://CLOH.Org           http://Rauterkus.com



From drjones at vii.com  Thu Apr 15 09:30:55 2004
From: drjones at vii.com (Dr. Jones)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:30:55 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble getting Mailman to route my messages
In-Reply-To: <20040415031031.GA5112@fmp.com>
References: <407DBFF0.5050706@vii.com> <20040415031031.GA5112@fmp.com>
Message-ID: <407E3A2F.7050906@vii.com>

fmouse at fmp.com


>Do you have qrunner running?
>  
>

Yes, I do have qrunner running.....it shows up in the output from > ps ax

-- 
Dr. Scott S. Jones
Hands-On Chiropractic 
IRC: irc.freenode.net #utah
Yahoo: sanchiro12





From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Thu Apr 15 09:07:36 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:07:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Import Archives from majordomo
References: <407D810E.7080602@cs.appstate.edu>
Message-ID: 

Darryl Cook schrieb:

> Does anyone know if there is a way to import archived messages from 
> majordomo to Mailman??

Depends on how Majordomo stores the archived messages. If you can
convert them to a mailbox, just store that in the right archive
directory [1] and rebuild the archive [2].

-thh

[1] $MAILMAN/archives/private/$LISTNAME.mbox/$LISTNAME.mbox
[2] run $MAILMAN/bin/arch $LISTNAME (or run it with the --wipe option)




From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Thu Apr 15 09:02:34 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:02:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing List Administrator
References: <000801c4215e$45e192b0$e2e7a118@D6T7HS31>
Message-ID: 

"Wendy Allotta" schrieb:

> We need to change the email address of our list administrator.  How do we do this?

Via the web interface,
.




From pareilly at tcd.ie  Thu Apr 15 11:28:07 2004
From: pareilly at tcd.ie (Paul Reilly)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:28:07 +0100 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
In-Reply-To: <407D8E68.7040205@melendez.org>
Message-ID: 


You can remove the file masthead.txt in the /templates/ folder.
That removes the text from the top of each message.

How did you close the list to posts?
This seems may more complicated than it needs to be.
I have to turn everyones moderation bit on, under membership
management. Surely there should be a simple "open" "closed"
radio check button under Sender Filters.....

Also how do you turn off the "Create new List" via webpage ?
You can't as far as I can see. Mailman is suffering from feature
bloat, and is no longer suitable to many deployments.

Paul


On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, Edward Melendez wrote:

> I want to set up an announce only list and I have fixed the HTML in the
> public info pages so that the "To post a message to this list..."
> message is gone.  How can I do that in the confirmation e-mail that gets
> sent to subscribers?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed
> http://www.melendez.org
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>





From pat.finnerty at hp.com  Thu Apr 15 13:32:33 2004
From: pat.finnerty at hp.com (Pat Finnerty)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:32:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MemoryError
Message-ID: <407E72D1.9080909@hp.com>

I have a bunch of emails stuck in the qfiles/shunt folder that all 
suffer from the following error when I try and unshunt them.

Apr 15 09:25:33 2004 (1382650) Uncaught runner exception:
Apr 15 09:25:33 2004 (1382650) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in 
_dispose
    mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 217, in 
ArchiveMail
    h.processUnixMailbox(f)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 606, in 
processUnixMailbox
    a = self._makeArticle(m, self.sequence)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 651, in 
_makeArticle
    mlist=self.maillist)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 320, in 
__init__
    body = message.get_payload(decode=True)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 197, in 
get_payload
    return Utils._qdecode(payload)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/quopri.py", line 161, in decodestring
    return a2b_qp(s, header = header)
MemoryError

Apr 15 09:25:33 2004 (1382650) SHUNTING: 
1075876188.8703721+89f1d4373368e55d6fef59a2a5c31fa92d07050c

I upgraded to Mailman 2.1.4 but the problem still persists.

Has anyone else seen this?

-- 
Patrick Finnerty, System Administrator,
Mission Critical & Proactive Services, Hewlett Packard,
Ballybrit Business Park, Galway, IRELAND.
p: +353-91-754722 	e: pat.finnerty at hp.com

The contents of this message and any attachments to it are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you have received this message in error you should delete it from your system immediately and advise the sender. To any recipient of this message within HP, unless otherwise stated ,  you should consider this message and attachments as " HP CONFIDENTIAL".

 






From relson at osagesoftware.com  Thu Apr 15 14:15:21 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:15:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Postfix
Message-ID: <20040415081521.5afb14f4@osage.osagesoftware.com>

Greetings,

I'm new to mailman and am having trouble getting it up and running (with
postfix).  I've configured them as best I can, but something's not
right :-<

My mail server has two static addresses -- for my primary domain (called
primary.com below) and the secondary domain (called secondary.org
below).  

A message to "test-subscribe at secondary.org" is rejected:

<"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test"@mail.primary.com>:
    unknown user: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test"

/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases contains:

test-subscribe:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test"

Evidently postfix is using this alias as the userid, rather than piping
the message to mailman.  How do I fix this?

TIA,

David

-- 
David Relson                   Osage Software Systems, Inc.
relson at osagesoftware.com       Ann Arbor, MI 48103
www.osagesoftware.com          tel:  734.821.8800



From relson at osagesoftware.com  Thu Apr 15 14:35:25 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:35:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix+mailman, part 2
Message-ID: <20040415083525.568998a9@osage.osagesoftware.com>

I found part of my problem.  In /etc/postfix/main.cf was

virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual,
       hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases,
       hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

The "aliases" line equates "test-subscribe" with "|...test subscribe"
and generated the pecular userid in the "user unknown" message. 

Removing the aliases reference and leaving "virtual-mailman" gives:

  : unknown user:
    "test-subscribe"

which is much more reasonable.  However my subscribe message still
hasn't gotten to mailman.

What am I missing??

Thanks.

David



From fmouse-mailman at fmp.com  Thu Apr 15 18:09:31 2004
From: fmouse-mailman at fmp.com (fmouse-mailman at fmp.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:09:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] VERP problem
In-Reply-To: <20040414192132.GB31397@fmp.com>
References: <20040414161915.GJ24473@fmp.com> <20040414192132.GB31397@fmp.com>
Message-ID: <20040415160931.GM5890@fmp.com>

Problem solved.  It was a matter of restarting qurunner.

Thus spake Lindsay Haisley on Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 02:21:32PM CDT
> I should add that I also have VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 1 and get very mixed
> results.  In no case is the confirmation request VERPed, but if I use the
> administrative web UI to add a subscriber, the welcome msg to the subscribed
> address is VERPed.  If I subscribe using the unauthenticated public web UI
> (and respond to a confirmation req.) the welcome message is _not_ VERPed. 
> Go figure.
> 
> I still have no answer to the problem quoted below.
> 
> Thus spake fmouse-mailman at fmp.com on Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 11:19:15AM CDT
> > I admin nearly identical installations of mailman on two different servers. 
> > On both, I have the following set in mm_cfg.py:
> > 
> > VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = Yes
> > VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes
> > VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1
> > 
> > On one system, running qmail as the MTA, VERP works as expected.  On the
> > other, running courier as the MTA (although qmail is installed as well), I
> > can't get mailman to use VERP at all.  Is it possible that the misbehaving
> > install won't do VERP because it doesn't recognize the SMTP daemon as being
> > VERP capable (which it is)?  Is there some other config variable I need to
> > set or something I need to do in the build to make VERP work as expected?

-- 
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FMP Computer Services |       if you let it" |      available at
512-259-1190          |    (The Roadie)      | 
http://www.fmp.com    |                      |



From tmaddox at thereinc.com  Thu Apr 15 18:45:25 2004
From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:45:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail being directed to mailman list
Message-ID: <1082047525.22570.170.camel@s8n-1.thereinc.com>

Hi,

I have suddenly encountered an odd (and annoying) problem with Mailman
2.1.4.  One of my lists was blocking earlier today, so I deleted the
stale lock files for that list.  Mail started going through then
stopped, so I stopped Mailman, deleted the new lock files, and restarted
Mailman.  Since then, mail has been going through to that list just
fine, but random messages to any list are now being redirected to the
"mailman" list.  The problem appears to be sporadic and accompanied by
the following sort of error in the Mailman error log:

Apr 14 16:20:14 2004 (89720) lost data files for filebase:
1081984813.297307+e2b0d0d672fe61ea9902dacae0b88d950daf0f05

The regular maillog file does not show any posts to the mailman list,
nor do the Mailman logs, so it's not clear to me what's going on.  None
of the headers of the affected emails show anything unusual either.

I'm pretty sure that I broke something when I deleted the lock files
without shutting down Mailman.  What did I break, and how do I fix it?

TIA,

Tom




From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Apr 15 19:39:36 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:39:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040415123028.01e00280@127.0.0.1>

Paul Reilly  wrote:
>How did you close the list to posts?
>This seems may more complicated than it needs to be.
>I have to turn everyones moderation bit on, under membership
>management. Surely there should be a simple "open" "closed"
>radio check button under Sender Filters.....

      Several options, depending on what you want:

On http://yoursite.tld/mailman/admin//general you will find 
"Emergency moderation of all list traffic" which will moderate EVERYONE.

On http://yoursite.tld/mailman/admin//members at the bottom of 
the page you will find "Set everyone's moderation bit, including those 
members not currently visible".  Set to On and click set.  Then unmoderated 
anyone you want mail to be accepted from.

On http://yoursite.tldmailman/admin//privacy/sender you will find 
"By default, should new list member postings be moderated? "

>Also how do you turn off the "Create new List" via webpage ?

      Given that it requires the list admin password, why would you need to 
turn it off?  If it really bothers you hack the code to kill it.

>Mailman is suffering from feature bloat, and is no longer suitable to many 
>deployments.

      Funny, last week a there were complaints that Mailman lacked 
important features.

another Paul



From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Apr 15 19:50:18 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:50:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Announce Only
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040415124720.01e6f000@127.0.0.1>

Edward Melendez wrote:
>I want to set up an announce only list and I have fixed the HTML in the
>public info pages so that the "To post a message to this list..."
>message is gone.  How can I do that in the confirmation e-mail that gets
>sent to subscribers?

      See customize welcome message in 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.11

<>< Paul



From pmm at igtc.com  Thu Apr 15 19:56:11 2004
From: pmm at igtc.com (Paul M. Moriarty)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:56:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing digest Subject: line?
Message-ID: <20040415175611.GA7733@igtc.igtc.com>

Hi,

I'm in the process of converting over from mj1 to mm2 for my long-running
(11+ yrs) lists.  

If possible, I'd like to change the Subject: line in outgoing digests.  I've
searched the archives and see that the question has been asked before, but
do not see an answer.

Any advise or pointers would be much appreciated.

- Paul -



From pmm at igtc.com  Thu Apr 15 19:59:59 2004
From: pmm at igtc.com (Paul M. Moriarty)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:59:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing digest Issue #
Message-ID: <20040415175959.GB7733@igtc.igtc.com>

Hi,

I'm in the process of converting over from mj1 to mm2 for my long-running
(11+ yrs) lists.  I am hopeful this is my last question for a while. :)

My digests change volume number on an annual basis, but the issue number
changes with each digest.  I'd like to know if there is some way to start my
new mm digests with the current issue number (currently in the hundreds for 
both lists).  It looks like I can manually create enough digests to
increment the number to where I want it, but this seems a very tedious
process

I've searched the archives and see that this has been asked once before, but
not answered.

I know how to change the digest number, I'm looking for an easy way to
change the issue number.

Thanks in advance!

- Paul -



From richard at quicksilverstore.com  Thu Apr 15 21:17:52 2004
From: richard at quicksilverstore.com (richard at quicksilverstore.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:17:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-Admin
Message-ID: <200404151917.i3FJHqiW001288@quicksilvermail.net>

Hi All!

I'm new to this list. I have created a couple test lists and find the 
list-admin address seems to be a black hole. In other words, if my list 
is called 'testlist', mail sent to the address testlist-admin does not 
seem to go anywhere. The address testlist-owner works fine, but the 
admin address mail seems to be lost. I guess it should be delivered to 
myself just as the testlist-owner does.

Could someone clarify this for me?

Thanks,

Richard




From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Thu Apr 15 21:37:48 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (lloyd_tennison at whoever.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:37:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-Admin
Message-ID: 

The list admin is the email address that is entered under General Options, the second selection:

"The list administrator email addresses. Multiple administrator addresses, each on separate line is okay."

----- Original Message ---------------
>Return-Path: 
>Received: from spf8.us4.outblaze.com (205.158.62.35) by mta2.wss.scd.yahoo.com (7.0.016)
>        id 40723FCD005456B9 for lloyd at danandben.com; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:21:34 -0700
>Received: from mail.python.org (mail.python.org [12.155.117.29])
>	by spf8.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EE07C71E
>	for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:21:34 +0000 (GMT)
>Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.python.org)
>	by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22)
>	id 1BECN6-00045P-Md; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:18:00 -0400
>Received: from adsl-64-91-63-105.rb3.ka.centurytel.net ([64.91.63.105]
>	helo=quicksilvermail.net) by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22)
>	id 1BECN2-00044g-7d
>	for mailman-users at python.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:17:56 -0400
>Received: from quicksilverstore.com (quicksilvermail.net [64.91.63.105])
>	by quicksilvermail.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3FJHqiW001288
>	for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:17:53 -0700
>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:17:52 -0700
>Message-Id: <200404151917.i3FJHqiW001288 at quicksilvermail.net>
>From: richard at quicksilverstore.com
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>X-Spam-Status: OK (lists-mailman 0.000)
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-Admin
>X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5b1
>Precedence: list
>List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users 
>List-Unsubscribe: ,
>	
>List-Archive: 
>List-Post: 
>List-Help: 
>List-Subscribe: ,
>	
>Sender: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
>Errors-To: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
>
>Hi All!
>
>I'm new to this list. I have created a couple test lists and find the 
>list-admin address seems to be a black hole. In other words, if my list 
>is called 'testlist', mail sent to the address testlist-admin does not 
>seem to go anywhere. The address testlist-owner works fine, but the 
>admin address mail seems to be lost. I guess it should be delivered to 
>myself just as the testlist-owner does.
>
>Could someone clarify this for me?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Richard
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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From richard at quicksilverstore.com  Thu Apr 15 22:31:17 2004
From: richard at quicksilverstore.com (richard at quicksilverstore.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:31:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-Admin
Message-ID: <200404152031.i3FKVHiW001455@quicksilvermail.net>

Hi Lloyd,

Thanks for your reply. I have one more question regarding your answer. 
I see the second item in the General Options, is, as you said, list 
administrators. Also the link for that section says 'Details of owner'. 
I take it that list admin and list owner are actually the same 
address(es). Is this correct?

Thanks very much for your help.

Richard

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:37:48 -0700, you wrote:
>
> The list admin is the email address that is entered under General Options, the second selection:
>
> "The list administrator email addresses. Multiple administrator addresses, each on separate line is okay."
>
> ----- Original Message ---------------
> >Return-Path: 
> >Received: from spf8.us4.outblaze.com (205.158.62.35) by mta2.wss.scd.yahoo.com (7.0.016)
> >        id 40723FCD005456B9 for lloyd at danandben.com; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:21:34 -0700
> >Received: from mail.python.org (mail.python.org [12.155.117.29])
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> >is called 'testlist', mail sent to the address testlist-admin does not
> >seem to go anywhere. The address testlist-owner works fine, but the
> >admin address mail seems to be lost. I guess it should be delivered to
> >myself just as the testlist-owner does.
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From parris at isciences.com  Thu Apr 15 23:50:09 2004
From: parris at isciences.com (Thomas M. Parris)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 17:50:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changes to mailman/var/lists/list/en/custom.html
	not taking
In-Reply-To: <1512405.0xBtuztrcS@pcp02404936pcs.univde01.de.comcast.net >
Message-ID: 

Dear mailman'ers

Great product.

I've run into a minor snafu that I'm hoping someone can help me out with.
I've been working on customizing the public html pages for one of my lists.
I've succesfully changed the html for the "general list infomraiton page"
and the "subscribe results page."  I've also changed the html for the "user
specific options page."  However, when I load this page, I still see the
"out of the box" code.

I've looked in mailman/var/lists//en and found the listinfo.html,
options.html, and subscribe.html templates.  These templates all reflect my
changes through the list managers interface.

Any pointers to what I've done wrong, or needs additional attention would be
greatly appreciated.

-- Tom




From devnull at silverdream.org  Fri Apr 16 00:26:46 2004
From: devnull at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:26:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Announce Only
References: <407D8E68.7040205@melendez.org>
	
Message-ID: 

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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:28:07 +0100, Paul Reilly scribbled down:
> How did you close the list to posts?
> This seems may more complicated than it needs to be.
> I have to turn everyones moderation bit on, under membership
> management. Surely there should be a simple "open" "closed"
> radio check button under Sender Filters.....
> 
> Also how do you turn off the "Create new List" via webpage ?
> You can't as far as I can see. Mailman is suffering from feature
> bloat, and is no longer suitable to many deployments.

There is also an extremely detailed account of how to do this under
Mailman on the FAQ. Which had the OP read, he would have needed to
post frequently answered questions to this mailing list.

Mailman is not suffering from 'feature bloat', if you don't like it -
*use* *something* *else*. It's called choice. Go away and exercise it.
The tone of your message is rude and unnecessary in the extreme. Did you
even think about expressing your 'opinions' on the MLM3 mailing list?
Obviously not!

I run an announcements only list and find Mailman to be a breath of fresh
air to use. If you don't, find another MLM to use, or code your own, and
stop flaming Mailman.

Oh, and typically it's best to quote the relevant bits of text from the
post you are replying to with a character such as >, |, etc. it makes it
easier for everyone else to read.

  -j

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From drjones at vii.com  Fri Apr 16 00:56:06 2004
From: drjones at vii.com (Dr. Jones)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:56:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A record problem? 
Message-ID: <407F1306.2040700@vii.com>

Here's output from dig sanchiro.com:

;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 3593
;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
 
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;scott.sanchiro.com.            IN      A
 
;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
sanchiro.com.           7200    IN      SOA     ns.integraonline.com. 
hostmaster.integraonline.com. 2004011204 3600 1800 604800 86400
;; Query time: 157 msec
;; SERVER: 206.163.82.4#53(206.163.82.4)
;; WHEN: Thu Apr 15 16:35:40 2004
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 100

I believe this shows that an A Record is not set up correctly for me. Is 
this something I am to do on my system? or is this something my ISP sets 
up on their hardware to point to my machine?

Scott

-- 
Dr. Scott S. Jones
Hands-On Chiropractic 
IRC: irc.freenode.net #utah
Yahoo: sanchiro12





From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Fri Apr 16 01:09:31 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:09:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
References: <407D8E68.7040205@melendez.org>
	
Message-ID: 

Paul Reilly schrieb:

> How did you close the list to posts?

Set it moderated.

> I have to turn everyones moderation bit on, under membership
> management. Surely there should be a simple "open" "closed"
> radio check button under Sender Filters.....

There is. General options, "emergency moderation of all list traffic".
BTW, you can also set all members to "moderated" with one click - as
you like.

> Also how do you turn off the "Create new List" via webpage ?

Why should one want to do it?

> You can't as far as I can see. Mailman is suffering from feature
> bloat, and is no longer suitable to many deployments.

Hear, hear.




From texascritter at ditb.net  Fri Apr 16 02:39:50 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:39:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Announce Only
References: <407D8E68.7040205@melendez.org>
	
Message-ID: <023a01c4234b$540a5860$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Jamie L. Penman-Smithson wrote:

> Mailman is not suffering from 'feature bloat', if you don't like it -
> *use* *something* *else*. It's called choice. Go away and exercise it.
> The tone of your message is rude and unnecessary in the extreme. Did you
> even think about expressing your 'opinions' on the MLM3 mailing list?
> Obviously not!

Wow.  Is there some reason you can't simply delete messages that you don't
like?  Piling more rudeness on certainly doesn't help *anyone*.  You talk
about choice but obviously you don't think people can have any choice in
their own opinions.

You love Mailman, so do I, how about not chasing away current or potential
users?  Share what you can, delete the rest.

IMHO, YMMV, HTH, HAND.

texas critter

--
EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/





From paul at thcwd.com  Fri Apr 16 02:47:26 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:47:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: changes to
 mailman/var/lists/list/en/custom.html not taking
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040415184825.01e2ea00@127.0.0.1>

Thomas M. Parris wrote:
>I've been working on customizing the public html pages for one of my lists.
>I've succesfully changed the html for the "general list infomraiton page"
>and the "subscribe results page."  I've also changed the html for the "user
>specific options page."  However, when I load this page, I still see the
>"out of the box" code.
>
>I've looked in mailman/var/lists//en and found the listinfo.html,
>options.html, and subscribe.html templates.  These templates all reflect my
>changes through the list managers interface.
>
>Any pointers to what I've done wrong, or needs additional attention would be
>greatly appreciated.

/mailman/bin/mailmanctl restart

Note also that changes to files that are involved in the archives will also 
require you to send a post to the archives.

<>< Paul





From paul at thcwd.com  Fri Apr 16 02:50:04 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:50:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: List-Admin
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040415184636.01e18a18@127.0.0.1>

On 05:30 PM 4/15/2004, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
>I'm new to this list. I have created a couple test lists and find the
>list-admin address seems to be a black hole. In other words, if my list
>is called 'testlist', mail sent to the address testlist-admin does not
>seem to go anywhere. The address testlist-owner works fine, but the
>admin address mail seems to be lost.

      listname-admin is not defined.  If you have reason to use it you 
could add it to the aliases.  If you are looking for the admin(s) of the 
list, they are listed on the general page of the admin section.

<>< Paul





From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in  Fri Apr 16 03:31:09 2004
From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:01:09 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix+mailman, part 2
In-Reply-To: <20040415083525.568998a9@osage.osagesoftware.com>
References: <20040415083525.568998a9@osage.osagesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <19505.195.212.28.100.1082079069.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>

okie .. i think you should:

Add the line /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases to alias_maps and *remove* it
from virtual_alias_maps.

Just make sure that you run:
/usr/bin/postmap on var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
And
/usr/sbin/postaliases on /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases

The problem is the user "test-subscribe" should be resolvable locally

--yogesh


> I found part of my problem.  In /etc/postfix/main.cf was
>
> virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual,
>        hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases,
>        hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
>
> The "aliases" line equates "test-subscribe" with "|...test subscribe"
> and generated the pecular userid in the "user unknown" message.
>
> Removing the aliases reference and leaving "virtual-mailman" gives:
>
>   : unknown user:
>     "test-subscribe"
>
> which is much more reasonable.  However my subscribe message still
> hasn't gotten to mailman.
>
> What am I missing??
>
> Thanks.
>
> David
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/


--yogesh

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them
all and in the darkness bind them.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++






From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in  Fri Apr 16 03:45:45 2004
From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:15:45 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Arppove from command line
Message-ID: <29419.195.212.28.100.1082079945.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>

Hi,

I don't want to use my Mailman's web base admin interface.

1. There are few messages waiting for approval. How do i approve them from
command line??

2. How do I stop moderation for a particular list? I don't want the
messages to wait till approval. Also, I want only members to have
permission to post.


--yogesh






From b-bowers at cox.net  Fri Apr 16 03:53:38 2004
From: b-bowers at cox.net (Bob Bowers)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:53:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate Messages
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040415185124.01f0c858@pop.west.cox.net>

I use mailman from my web hosting service. I have several mail lists. One 
consistently sends two messages to every user. Does anyone have a clue what 
would cause this?





From peter at phmb.biz  Fri Apr 16 05:02:09 2004
From: peter at phmb.biz (peter at phmb.biz)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 05:02:09 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simple 'HOWTO' for usenet news <-> mailman gateway
Message-ID: <31629.161.114.228.150.1082084529.squirrel@www.phmb.biz>

I asked about this a week or so ago and the answer was that I couldn't do
much as the config files were in secure parts of linux and I only have
cpanel access to a hosted system.

However the good news is I have a friendly support team hosting the system
and they have said that they are happy to set it all up for me if they
have the right config information! This is excellent news, but I haven't
got a system to test it on at the moment and I haven't set this up myself
before. I've had a look and can only find that there is a cron job that
needs to run to pick up the news and send it to the list and that's about
it.

Is there a simple HOWTO anywhere that describes what I need to tell the
support person? Ideally I would like to set it up so that:

- There is a log file somewhere like /tmp that I can access to see what
problems there are in connection, downloads or other parts of the
connection.
- have a line entry for cron that will run the right script to set up the
connection.

As far as I know, all I need to connect to the news server is to have the
following entries in the right place:

Server: news.abc.def
Port: 119
Check Frequency: 10 minutes
SSL: No
Authentication: No
Name: Listname
EMail Address: List address (or address the news server is happy with)

What do I need to tell my support person given the above?



From richard at quicksilverstore.com  Fri Apr 16 07:36:17 2004
From: richard at quicksilverstore.com (richard at quicksilverstore.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 22:36:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: List-Admin
Message-ID: <200404160536.i3G5aHiW002516@quicksilvermail.net>

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:50:04 -0500, you wrote:
>
> On 05:30 PM 4/15/2004, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
> >I'm new to this list. I have created a couple test lists and find the
> >list-admin address seems to be a black hole. In other words, if my list
> >is called 'testlist', mail sent to the address testlist-admin does not
> >seem to go anywhere. The address testlist-owner works fine, but the
> >admin address mail seems to be lost.
>
>       listname-admin is not defined.  If you have reason to use it you
> could add it to the aliases.  If you are looking for the admin(s) of the
> list, they are listed on the general page of the admin section.
>
> <>< Paul

Ok thanks. I wasn't sure since both listname-admin and listname-owner 
are among the aliases mailman generates when creating a new list--
except, you must be right, mail to listname-admin just disappears. I 
think I'll just alias it to listname-owner. It appears that will do no 
harm.

Thanks to you Paul and Lloyd who replied to my first question. I like 
mailman a lot! It's great having this very active list.

Regards,

Richard




From mas at semafor.ch  Fri Apr 16 11:38:36 2004
From: mas at semafor.ch (Sorin Marti)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:38:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding a mail to the archive.
Message-ID: <407FA99C.9060309@semafor.ch>

Hi all,

Is there a way to add a message (that have never been sent through my 
list) to a list archive? The message contains atachments which should 
also be added.

Thanks for any help
   Sorin




From pareilly at tcd.ie  Fri Apr 16 11:39:27 2004
From: pareilly at tcd.ie (Paul Reilly)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:39:27 +0100 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


>> Surely there should be a simple "open" "closed"
>> radio check button under Sender Filters.....
>
> There is. General options, "emergency moderation of all list traffic".
>
Yes, but that implies an emergency situation.
Having a default closed list isn't an emergency situation.

Overall I think Mailman is fantastic. I have been using it for years, but
recently, it seems that the number of admin options for list admins
is increasingly complex, and even simple tasks like closing a list are
not obvious.

I am deploying Mailman in a non-technical environment, and I can't expect
my list admins to know about python regular expressions etc. They need a
admin interface which is intuitive and easy to use.

> > Also how do you turn off the "Create new List" via webpage ?
> Why should one want to do it?
>
Because in order for the MTA link up to work, I create my lists
via the command line. If the feature doesn't work for me via the
web, then I'd like the option of turning it off.

Paul




From pareilly at tcd.ie  Fri Apr 16 11:50:56 2004
From: pareilly at tcd.ie (Paul Reilly)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:50:56 +0100 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Announce Only
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


> There is also an extremely detailed account of how to do this under
> Mailman on the FAQ. Which had the OP read, he would have needed to
> post frequently answered questions to this mailing list.
>
Should it really take a detailed FAQ entry to explain how to set
a list open or closed? This is such a basic requirement it should be
obvious. It is obvious in other list management software.

> I run an announcements only list and find Mailman to be a breath of fresh
> air to use. If you don't, find another MLM to use, or code your own, and
> stop flaming Mailman.
>
I'm not flaming the list. I expressed some feedback which could be
used to make Mailman even better. I want to see the best possible
Mailman, and will contribute code if I can. But if the list admin
interface is not intuitive and easy to use, then people are not going
to use Mailman. That's not good.

Paul




From ntbrito at fc.up.pt  Fri Apr 16 13:22:06 2004
From: ntbrito at fc.up.pt (=?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E9lson_Jorge_Teixeira_de_Brito?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:22:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] open list
Message-ID: <6C60E0294337E84EBE5B198747277FA9246843@MAIL.fc.up.pt>



This must be a strange question but i'd like to know how can i open a list to non members. Can someone tell me how to do it?

Thank you very much.
Best regards, nb




From relson at osagesoftware.com  Fri Apr 16 13:55:21 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:55:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix+mailman, part 2
In-Reply-To: <19505.195.212.28.100.1082079069.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
References: <20040415083525.568998a9@osage.osagesoftware.com>
	<19505.195.212.28.100.1082079069.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
Message-ID: <20040416075521.08a39085@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:01:09 +0530 (IST)
Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote:

> okie .. i think you should:
> 
> Add the line /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases to alias_maps and *remove*
> it from virtual_alias_maps.
> 
> Just make sure that you run:
> /usr/bin/postmap on var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
> And
> /usr/sbin/postaliases on /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
> 
> The problem is the user "test-subscribe" should be resolvable locally

Lo Yogesh,

Thanks for writing.  After my post I did some more research and
experimentation, which resulted in /etc/postfix/main.cf having the lines
you suggest, i.e.:

virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual,
               hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
                                                                        
       
alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases,
           hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases

Postfix now has a different complaint, i.e
                                                                        
       
: Command died with status
2:
    "/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe bogofilter". Command
output: Group
    mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be
executed as
    group "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail
script as
    group "nogroup".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as
group
    "mailman", or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
    `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'.

Checking user and group id's, I have:

[root at nic mail]# ll /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman
-rwxrwsr-x 1 mailman mailman 6248 Mar 14 16:46
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman*

[root at nic mail]# grep mailman /etc/passwd /etc/group
/etc/passwd:mailman:x:1200:1200::/home/mailman:/bin/false
/etc/group:mailman:x:1200:

AFAICT, the permissions are set properly.  Do you know how to tweak the
mail server (as suggested by mailman)?

Thanks.

David



From ntbrito at fc.up.pt  Fri Apr 16 15:12:35 2004
From: ntbrito at fc.up.pt (=?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E9lson_Jorge_Teixeira_de_Brito?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:12:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi
Message-ID: <6C60E0294337E84EBE5B198747277FA924684C@MAIL.fc.up.pt>

Hi,
I'm having a problem with accessing the mailman web interface.
Every time i try to use the web interface o get thi error:

The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog:

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid -1.

I already tried several things to avoid this, changed the httpd configuration, changed the mailman gid, changed the httpd gid... but i never had success.

Please, someone help me.

Regards, nb 



From mas at semafor.ch  Fri Apr 16 15:39:30 2004
From: mas at semafor.ch (Sorin Marti)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:39:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] open list
In-Reply-To: <6C60E0294337E84EBE5B198747277FA9246844@MAIL.fc.up.pt>
References: <6C60E0294337E84EBE5B198747277FA9246844@MAIL.fc.up.pt>
Message-ID: <407FE212.8050009@semafor.ch>

N?lson Jorge Teixeira de Brito wrote:
> Hi Sorin,
> Thank you for you reply. In fact i want to allow non-members to post to the list, i have a problem with the web inteface cgi scripts are not running due to a perms error that i can't solve... can you please tell me the variable that i have to change in order to allow non-members to post?
> Thank you very much.
> Regards, nb
> 
No sorry, I can't. I am very new to the whole mailman stuff and just got 
familiar with the web interface. I also had permission problems and 
solved them by reinstalling mailman and having a look at some FAQs.

If you want a very dirty hack, just change the file permissions und do 
your changes immediatly. I would *NOT* recommend that...

  Sorry but I really don't know this variable
    Sorin




From parris at isciences.com  Fri Apr 16 16:02:43 2004
From: parris at isciences.com (Thomas M. Parris)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:02:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: changes to
	mailman/var/lists/list/en/custom.html not taking
In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.0.20040415184825.01e2ea00@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: 

Paul,

Thanks for your reply.  I truly appreciate it.

Unfortunately, restarting mailman did not alter the behavior.  I now realize
that my original message may have been a bit ambiguous. So, I will try to be
more precise this time.

1. I am running mailman 2.1.3 on Solaris 8.

2. I used https://host/mailman/create to create a new list -- "tomtest"
(Note, we put all of the admin stuff under https to add a level of password
protection)

3. I used https://host/mailman/edithtml/tomtest/listinfo.html to alter the
html for the "general list information page."  This change took effect
immediately. So far so good. (p.s. I was alo able to use Apache 2's filter
capability to embed php code -- cool!).

4. I used https://host/mailman/edithtml/tomtest/subscribe.html to alter the
html for the "subscribe results page."  This change took effect immediately.
So far so good.

5. I used https://host/mailman/edithtml/tomtest/options.html to alter the
html for the "user specific options page."  This is the change that does not
take.  If I revisit/reload the page, I see the changed html.

	a. If I poke around in /var/lists/tomtest/en/*.html, I see the
altered html.
	b. But https://host/mailman/options/tomtest/parris%40isciences.com still
shows the "out of the box" html. (yes, this user is indeed subscribed).
	c. I've tried restarting mailman as you suggest, (/bin/mailmanctl
restart), but this does not help.

5. At this point, my only thought is to try with 2.1.4 and see if this was a
bug that has been fixed.  though, in general, I assume that I am at fault
before I blame the code. (And I don't see any evidence of a bug in the
sourceforge bug tracker).

-- Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Paul H Byerly
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 7:47 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Cc: Thomas M. Parris
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: changes to
mailman/var/lists/list/en/custom.html not taking


Thomas M. Parris wrote:
>I've been working on customizing the public html pages for one of my lists.
>I've succesfully changed the html for the "general list infomraiton page"
>and the "subscribe results page."  I've also changed the html for the "user
>specific options page."  However, when I load this page, I still see the
>"out of the box" code.
>
>I've looked in mailman/var/lists//en and found the listinfo.html,
>options.html, and subscribe.html templates.  These templates all reflect my
>changes through the list managers interface.
>
>Any pointers to what I've done wrong, or needs additional attention would
be
>greatly appreciated.

/mailman/bin/mailmanctl restart

Note also that changes to files that are involved in the archives will also
require you to send a post to the archives.

<>< Paul



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From parris at isciences.com  Fri Apr 16 16:18:35 2004
From: parris at isciences.com (Thomas M. Parris)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:18:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: changes to
	mailman/var/lists/list/en/custom.html not taking
In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.0.20040415184825.01e2ea00@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: 

Paul,

Please ignore my previous message.  I see now that the changes to
options.html are indeed taking effect.  It is the user login page that is
still out of the box.  I guess I have to fix that one globally as there is
no list-by-list option for it.

My apologies.

-- Tom




From quasi at payback.nu  Fri Apr 16 16:53:53 2004
From: quasi at payback.nu (quasi)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:53:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keeping unwanted hosts out?
Message-ID: 

I'm getting spam and commercials sent out to my list,
I've set up the list as a moderated list so I have to approve whats get 
sent to list.

Still there is one host "pmktg-online.com" who send me loads of spam 
and commercials everyday,
I put the adress they send from on refuse, but they just change 
username,

So far I banned 20 usernames... is there anyway to ban the whole 
"pmktg-online.com" domain?

I have added a SMTP filter that refuse mail from the servers they send 
from, but they keep on changing that aswell...

this is getting annoying...

I run MAC OSX server 10.3.3

/rgrds quasi




From alblack at achilles.net  Fri Apr 16 17:02:21 2004
From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:02:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] open list
In-Reply-To: <6C60E0294337E84EBE5B198747277FA9246843@MAIL.fc.up.pt>
References: <6C60E0294337E84EBE5B198747277FA9246843@MAIL.fc.up.pt>
Message-ID: <04041611022103.01104@localhost.localdomain>

On April 16, 2004 07:22 am, N?lson Jorge Teixeira de Brito wrote:
> This must be a strange question but i'd like to know how can i open a list
> to non members. Can someone tell me how to do it?

In the list admin panel under privacy features, senders optoins, go to:

"Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is 
defined."

And select "accept".

For what its worth if you do so, you might want to run spamassassin (or 
something else that tags spam)  and filter them to trash by using the privacy 
features, spam filters settings from the admin web interface.

Hope this helps...

al




From texascritter at ditb.net  Fri Apr 16 17:16:20 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:16:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keeping unwanted hosts out?
References: 
Message-ID: <017601c423c5$c6397400$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

quasi wrote:

> So far I banned 20 usernames... is there anyway to ban the whole
> "pmktg-online.com" domain?

Yes, add this to the banned list:

^.*@pmktg-online.com

hth,
texas critter

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From texascritter at ditb.net  Fri Apr 16 17:19:14 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:19:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keeping unwanted hosts out?
References: 
	<017601c423c5$c6397400$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <019101c423c6$2d8b09c0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

texas critter wrote:

> Yes, add this to the banned list:
>
> ^.*@pmktg-online.com

in checking my answer again, it's better like this (which is in the FAQ
#3.33):

^[^@]+ at pmktg-online\.com$


hth,
texas critter

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From texascritter at ditb.net  Fri Apr 16 17:39:56 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:39:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keeping unwanted hosts out?
References: 
	<017601c423c5$c6397400$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<019101c423c6$2d8b09c0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	
Message-ID: <01f601c423c9$11fb5860$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

quasi wrote:

> Well I add to the banlist using the webinterface, is
> ^[^@]+ at pmktg-online\.com$
> still what I should input there?

Yes.

hth,
texas critter

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From fmouse at fmp.com  Wed Apr 14 21:01:07 2004
From: fmouse at fmp.com (fmouse at fmp.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:01:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalized lists??
Message-ID: <20040414190107.GD2434@fmp.com>

I'm using mailman 2.1.4.

There is very little description of "personalized lists" in the mailman
documentation.  The FAQ says:


Q. Can I put the user's address in the footer that Mailman adds to
   each message?

A. Yes, in Mailman 2.1.  The site admin needs to enable
   personalization by setting the following variables in the mm_cfg.py
   file:

    VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 1
    VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 1
    VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1
    VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 1

   Once this is done, list admins can enable personalization for
   regular delivery members (digest deliveries can't be
   personalized currently).  A personalized list can include the
   user's address in the footer.


I've set the required variables in mm_cfg.py, however I find no reference to
personalization in the per-list mailman web UI, nor can I find any reference
to it in a flat-file extraction of the list config with config_list.  I read
that there should be an option to enable "Full personalization" somewhere,
but I don't see it anywhere.

Can anyone enlighten me on this?

-- 
Lindsay Haisley       | "Everything works    |     PGP public key
FMP Computer Services |       if you let it" |      available at
512-259-1190          |    (The Roadie)      | 
http://www.fmp.com    |                      |



From fmouse at fmp.com  Thu Apr 15 05:10:31 2004
From: fmouse at fmp.com (fmouse at fmp.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:10:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble getting Mailman to route my messages
In-Reply-To: <407DBFF0.5050706@vii.com>
References: <407DBFF0.5050706@vii.com>
Message-ID: <20040415031031.GA5112@fmp.com>

Do you have qrunner running?

Thus spake Dr. Jones on Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 05:49:20PM CDT
> I have Mailman 2.1.4-3 installed on my debian 3.0 system. I have a 
> mailing list set up, with a few members added. If I send a message using 
> mutt, a la:
> 
>    echo 'hello world' | mutt some at email.address
> 
> When I issue that, it shows up, in whichever of 5 email accounts I 
> manage on my linux box. Yet, I can't get either an invite or a 
> subscription addition of any of those 5 email addresses to receive any 
> notification from Mailman.
> 
> Any ideas where to start with this?

-- 
Lindsay Haisley       | "Everything works    |     PGP public key
FMP Computer Services |       if you let it" |      available at
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From tmaddox at thereinc.com  Thu Apr 15 01:25:56 2004
From: tmaddox at thereinc.com (Tom Maddox)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:25:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail being directed to mailman list
Message-ID: <1081985156.22570.162.camel@s8n-1.thereinc.com>

Hi,

I have suddenly encountered an odd (and annoying) problem with Mailman
2.1.4.  One of my lists was blocking earlier today, so I deleted the
stale lock files for that list.  Mail started going through then
stopped, so I stopped Mailman, deleted the new lock files, and restarted
Mailman.  Since then, mail has been going through to that list just
fine, but random messages to any list are now being redirected to the
"mailman" list.  The problem appears to be sporadic and accompanied by
the following sort of error in the Mailman error log:

Apr 14 16:20:14 2004 (89720) lost data files for filebase:
1081984813.297307+e2b0d0d672fe61ea9902dacae0b88d950daf0f05

The regular maillog file does not show any posts to the mailman list,
nor do the Mailman logs, so it's not clear to me what's going on.  None
of the headers of the affected emails show anything unusual either.

I'm pretty sure that I broke something when I deleted the lock files
without shutting down Mailman.  What did I break, and how do I fix it?

TIA,

Tom




From ntbrito at fc.up.pt  Fri Apr 16 12:17:10 2004
From: ntbrito at fc.up.pt (=?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E9lson_Jorge_Teixeira_de_Brito?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:17:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] open list
Message-ID: <6C60E0294337E84EBE5B198747277FA924683E@MAIL.fc.up.pt>

Hi,
This must be a strange question but i'd like to know how can i open a list to non members. Can someone tell me how to do it?

Thank you very much.
Best regards, nb



From pmm at igtc.com  Fri Apr 16 19:50:38 2004
From: pmm at igtc.com (Paul M. Moriarty)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:50:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing digest Subject: line?
In-Reply-To: <20040415175611.GA7733@igtc.igtc.com>
References: <20040415175611.GA7733@igtc.igtc.com>
Message-ID: <20040416175038.GB30099@igtc.igtc.com>

Paul M. Moriarty writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm in the process of converting over from mj1 to mm2 for my long-running
> (11+ yrs) lists.  
> 
> If possible, I'd like to change the Subject: line in outgoing digests.  I've
> searched the archives and see that the question has been asked before, but
> do not see an answer.
> 
> Any advise or pointers would be much appreciated.
> 

The only way I figured out how to do this was to hack on
Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py.  If anybody wants specifics, email me.

- Paul -



From pmm at igtc.com  Fri Apr 16 19:54:49 2004
From: pmm at igtc.com (Paul M. Moriarty)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:54:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing digest Issue #
In-Reply-To: <20040415175959.GB7733@igtc.igtc.com>
References: <20040415175959.GB7733@igtc.igtc.com>
Message-ID: <20040416175449.GD30099@igtc.igtc.com>

Paul M. Moriarty writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm in the process of converting over from mj1 to mm2 for my long-running
> (11+ yrs) lists.  I am hopeful this is my last question for a while. :)
> 
> My digests change volume number on an annual basis, but the issue number
> changes with each digest.  I'd like to know if there is some way to start my
> new mm digests with the current issue number (currently in the hundreds for 
> both lists).  It looks like I can manually create enough digests to
> increment the number to where I want it, but this seems a very tedious
> process
> 
> I've searched the archives and see that this has been asked once before, but
> not answered.
> 
> I know how to change the digest number, I'm looking for an easy way to
> change the issue number.
> 

Another crude hack to set issue number.

~mailman/bin/config_list -o tempfile listname

edit tempfile and add:

next_digest_number = nnn  # (where nnn = your next issue number)

~mailman/bin/config_list -i tempfile listname

It will bitch about restoring a non-std value, but it will keep the issue
number you added.

- Paul -




From texascritter at ditb.net  Fri Apr 16 19:55:31 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:55:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalized lists??
References: <20040414190107.GD2434@fmp.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c423dc$031806a0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

fmouse at fmp.com wrote:

> I've set the required variables in mm_cfg.py, however I find no
> reference to personalization in the per-list mailman web UI, nor can I
> find any reference to it in a flat-file extraction of the list config
> with config_list.  I read that there should be an option to enable "Full
> personalization" somewhere, but I don't see it anywhere.

Did you restart mailmanctl after you made the changes?  You have to do that
to get it to read the revised mm_cfg.py file.

Once you've done that, the option to personalize will be in the list admin
web interface under Non-digest Options.

hth,
texas critter

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From jcm at UCLAlumni.net  Fri Apr 16 21:13:36 2004
From: jcm at UCLAlumni.net (John McDermon)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:13:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rebroadcast Welcome message?
Message-ID: <2941C606-8FDA-11D8-A9F1-0003938E6BA8@UCLAlumni.net>

I set up a list using bulk subscription for around 50 users. 
Unfortunately, the list was a bit messed up (I named it the same as an 
existing alias in /etc/aliases) so the members never got the "Welcome!" 
message with their passwords.

Is there a way to rebroadcast the welcome message to all the currently 
subscribed list members?

I searched the FAQs and online docs, but didn't see anything.

TIA,
--John

Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
     Usenet signature, November 1987
     ?Henry Spencer


Cheers,
--John

Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
     Usenet signature, November 1987
     ?Henry Spencer




From brianmaull at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 16 23:56:14 2004
From: brianmaull at yahoo.com (Brian Maull)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:56:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped sending Mail!
Message-ID: <20040416215614.79045.qmail@web61301.mail.yahoo.com>

Help!
My mailman install has stopped sending mail.  I am running mailman ver 1.0 and when users send in a message, it posts to the archives, but postfix doesn't send to the list.  I have inherited this setup and have no idea even where to begin looking.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  

		
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From myk at mozilla.org  Sat Apr 17 00:50:30 2004
From: myk at mozilla.org (Myk Melez)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:50:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] patch implementing FIFO for mailman queue in 2.0.13
Message-ID: <40806336.2090603@mozilla.org>

The mailman FAQ (http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#6.6) 
says about the incoming message queue processor: "It's STILL not FIFO 
(and this is why replies get seen before messages being replied to, and 
why digests have messages scrambles; Barry and I have talked at length 
about this and the queueing should be FIFO in 2.1"

Here's a small patch for qrunner in mailman 2.0.13 that makes it process 
the mail queue in first-in-first-out order (FIFO) rather than randomly:

--- qrunner.orig        Fri Jan 23 13:51:01 2004
+++ qrunner     Fri Apr 16 12:21:35 2004
@@ -190,7 +190,9 @@
     t0 = time.time()
     msgcount = 0
     allkids = {}
-    for file in os.listdir(mm_cfg.QUEUE_DIR):
+    files = os.listdir(mm_cfg.QUEUE_DIR)
+    files.sort(lambda 
x,y:cmp(os.path.getmtime(os.path.join(mm_cfg.QUEUE_DIR, x)), 
os.path.getmtime(os.path.join(mm_cfg.QUEUE_DIR, y))))
+    for file in files:
         # Keep the qrunner lock alive for a while longer
         lock.refresh()
         root, ext = os.path.splitext(os.path.join(mm_cfg.QUEUE_DIR, file))

It seems to work, but is there anything I'm missing that depends on the 
old behavior and will break with this patch applied?

-myk




From parallax at lafn.org  Sat Apr 17 01:46:44 2004
From: parallax at lafn.org (SML)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:46:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List limited to subscribers hit with virus from
	non-subscriber
Message-ID: <20040416164644.2f2170db.parallax@lafn.org>

I have a list in which posting is limited to list subscribers only. One
of the list members was hit with a virus and forwarded a post with virus
attachment to the list. 

I'm trying to understand why a post from a non-subscriber (as per the
from address) would have been sent through, when all other posts by
non-subscribers are held for moderation.

I'm no expert by any means, but it looks as if the message ID field was
inserted into the from field. Would this have caused mailman to allow
this post to the list instead of holding it for moderation as a post by
a non-subscriber? 

Many thanks in advance for any help or enlightment you can provide.

/SML



Below are the log entries created by the problem post 
(domain XXXXX'ed) 

-----------------------------------------------------

bounce:Apr 15 11:01:08 2004 (3512) bounce message w/no discernable    
     addresses: 

bounce:Apr 15 11:01:08 2004 (3512) forwarding unrecognized, message-id: 
     

post:Apr 15 11:00:41 2004 (3521) post to lamp-user_maillist.lampsig.org 
     from management at XXXXXX.org, size=34876, 
     message-id=, success

smtp:Apr 15 11:00:41 2004 (3521)
      
     smtp for 42 recips, completed in 0.756 seconds




Here are the headers from the post containing the virus Note that the
headers state the the post is from 'management at XXXXX.org' but the log
list the message ID as the from address

-------------------------------------------------------

Received: from XXXXX (XXXXX [IP])
        by XXXXX (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04485
        for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:01:12 -0700 (PDT)
        (envelope-from LISTNAME-bounces at XXXXX)
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=XXXXX)
        by XXXXX with esmtp (Exim 4.24)
        id 1BE8M5-0002pn-Cu; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:00:41 -0400
Received: from [IP] (helo=XXXXX)
        by XXXXX with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BE8M0-0002pS-N2
        for LISTNAME at XXXXX; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:00:37 -0400
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:04:39 -0800
To: LISTNAME at XXXXX.org
From: management at XXXXXX.org
Message-ID: 



From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Fri Apr 16 22:23:19 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:23:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
References: 
	
Message-ID: 

Paul Reilly schrieb:

>> There is. General options, "emergency moderation of all list traffic".
>
> Yes, but that implies an emergency situation.
> Having a default closed list isn't an emergency situation.

There's more than one way to do it ...

If you want a default closed list, you may set all new members to be
moderated (1). If you already have a list and want it now moderated,
you can set all existing and all new members to moderated (2). And/or
you can use "emergency moderation" (3).

> Overall I think Mailman is fantastic. I have been using it for years, but
> recently, it seems that the number of admin options for list admins
> is increasingly complex, and even simple tasks like closing a list are
> not obvious.

Hm. It was not a problem for me when I started to use Mailman some
month ago ...

> I am deploying Mailman in a non-technical environment, and I can't expect
> my list admins to know about python regular expressions etc.

Then don't let them use python regular expressions. :)

>>> Also how do you turn off the "Create new List" via webpage ?
>> Why should one want to do it?
>
> Because in order for the MTA link up to work, I create my lists
> via the command line. If the feature doesn't work for me via the
> web, then I'd like the option of turning it off.

Sure. But it does not hurt, does it?

-thh




From texascritter at ditb.net  Sat Apr 17 01:54:46 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 18:54:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List limited to subscribers hit with virus
	fromnon-subscriber
References: <20040416164644.2f2170db.parallax@lafn.org>
Message-ID: <013a01c4240e$32d9e7a0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

SML wrote:

> I'm trying to understand why a post from a non-subscriber (as per the
> from address) would have been sent through, when all other posts by
> non-subscribers are held for moderation.

I had this same thing happen a couple months ago and a little investigation
turned up the fact that Mailman checks several fields for member email
addresses for posting privileges.  Mailman looks at not just the From
field, but also the Envelope-From field (which is then removed when the
message is distributed to the list).

The virus gets thru by forging the Envelope-From with a (random) address
plucked from the infected computer and then it puts a different address in
the From field that's visible when Mailman distributes the message to the
list.  The Envelope-From address is a valid list member address and that's
how it gets thru to the list.

That's the Beagle.C virus that you got, it's the same one that hit the
largest list I host, over 1,200 people, so I got swamped with people asking
what they needed to verify to keep their email account.  arrgghh.

To prevent this from happening again, I edited my mm_cfg.py file to add
this line:

SENDER_HEADERS = ('from')

which restricts Mailman to looking *only* at the From field for checking
posting privileges.

This will not prohibit all viruses, if a virus puts a list member's email
address in the From field and the right list address in the To field and
the list member isn't moderated, then the virus will go thru to the list
but this will stop the Beagle.C virus getting thru to your lists.

hth,
texas critter

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From Mark at Rauterkus.com  Sat Apr 17 02:54:29 2004
From: Mark at Rauterkus.com (Mark Rauterkus)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:54:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New install on virtual server -- and TWIG is full
	of MSQL errors
Message-ID: <200404162354.i3GNsnQD093426@rauterkus.com>


Hi All,

I've got a FreeBSD virtual server. I had a MM meltdown -- yanked the old
version. Then did vinstall for a new version of MM. Great. Love it. Splendid
new features.

However, my older version of TWIG is now not able to work.
    http://www.informationgateway.org/
TWIG give me lots of errors with MSQL.

Could these be related or NOT?

TWIG is also an older version. That needs to be upgraded as well.

Anyone have any insights? I'll go to the TWIG group next.

Thanks.


Ta.

Mark Rauterkus
http://Rauterkus.com




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat Apr 17 02:26:51 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 02:26:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New install on virtual server -- and
	TWIG is full 	of MSQL errors
In-Reply-To: <200404162354.i3GNsnQD093426@rauterkus.com>
References: <200404162354.i3GNsnQD093426@rauterkus.com>
Message-ID: 

At 7:54 PM -0500 2004/04/16, Mark Rauterkus wrote:

>  However, my older version of TWIG is now not able to work.
>      http://www.informationgateway.org/
>  TWIG give me lots of errors with MSQL.

	TWIG is a webmail implementation.  This doesn't have anything to 
do with Mailman, which is a mailing list manager.  You need to check 
your IMAP server implementation and your SQL database server.

>  Could these be related or NOT?

	Nope.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See  for more info.



From karl at sfdata.net  Sat Apr 17 06:10:02 2004
From: karl at sfdata.net (Karl R. Balsmeier)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 21:10:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New install on virtual server -- and TWIG is 
	fullof MSQL errors
In-Reply-To: <200404162354.i3GNsnQD093426@rauterkus.com>
References: <200404162354.i3GNsnQD093426@rauterkus.com>
Message-ID: <6604.216.175.81.169.1082175002.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>

Check the error logs & send info, it's probably related.  I know for
instance if I try to throw "plone" onto a box i've already got MM
installed on, that my Python 2.1 will be mangled by the older Python
version 'plone' uses.

Your TWIG may have suffered a similar fate.  Try and get some debug info
or error log output...

-BTW, I am trying to run mailman on an openbsd box, -what MTA are you
using with it on FreeBSD?  I've got my MTA [exim] talking to the proper
mail hub, but still not getting through after solving a local-part
error...  Curious if you have pointers vis-a-vis mm_cfg.py example, and
/etc/exim/configure example...  I have a few vdomains i hadn't gotten
around to redploying, considering freebsd node...

-krb

>
> Hi All,
>
> I've got a FreeBSD virtual server. I had a MM meltdown -- yanked the old
> version. Then did vinstall for a new version of MM. Great. Love it.
> Splendid
> new features.
>
> However, my older version of TWIG is now not able to work.
>     http://www.informationgateway.org/
> TWIG give me lots of errors with MSQL.
>
> Could these be related or NOT?
>
> TWIG is also an older version. That needs to be upgraded as well.
>
> Anyone have any insights? I'll go to the TWIG group next.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Ta.
>
> Mark Rauterkus
> http://Rauterkus.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>




From ccrayne at crayne.org  Sat Apr 17 07:36:21 2004
From: ccrayne at crayne.org (Charles A. Crayne)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:36:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi
In-Reply-To: <6C60E0294337E84EBE5B198747277FA924684C@MAIL.fc.up.pt>
References: <6C60E0294337E84EBE5B198747277FA924684C@MAIL.fc.up.pt>
Message-ID: <20040416223621.15bda5e9@heimdall.crayne.org>

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:12:35 +0100
N?lson Jorge Teixeira de Brito  wrote:

:Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid -1.

Since these are "magic numbers", I suspect a signed vs unsigned integer
bug. Do your really have group ids greater then 32K?




From paul at thcwd.com  Sat Apr 17 08:24:12 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 01:24:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: open list
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040417005053.01cbc140@127.0.0.1>

N?lson Jorge Teixeira de Brito wrote:
>This must be a strange question but i'd like to know how can i open a list 
>to non members. Can someone tell me how to do it?

      Easy to do from the web interface.  Go to: 
http://yoursite.tdl/mailman/admin/listname/privacy/sender .  You have two 
options.  To open only to certain users, add their e-mail addresses to the 
"List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically 
accepted" text area (you can also use a regular expression to allow anyone 
from one or more domains).  To open the list to anyone go to the bottom of 
the page and select "Accept" for
"Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action 
is defined."

<>< Paul





From pareilly at tcd.ie  Sat Apr 17 12:18:51 2004
From: pareilly at tcd.ie (Paul Reilly)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 11:18:51 +0100 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


> There's more than one way to do it ...
>
I know of the 3 ways to do it.
But they all seem a bit around a 'bout.
Why can't there just be a open/closed radio preference?

> Then don't let them use python regular expressions. :)
>
I don't.
But it generates support questions.

> >>> Also how do you turn off the "Create new List" via webpage ?
> >> Why should one want to do it?
> Sure. But it does not hurt, does it?
>
Well people click it, (thinking thats the way to create a new list),
get an error, and then think it's not working, so call our helpdesk
saying there's an error. Even though there's not. There's just no way
to turn off this 'feature' if you don't use it. (except by going backwards
to an older version of Mailman, or by using another MLM).

Paul




From paul at thcwd.com  Sat Apr 17 19:42:34 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:42:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Announce Only
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040417123428.01d5f640@127.0.0.1>

Paul Reilly wrote:

> > >>> Also how do you turn off the "Create new List" via webpage ?
> > >> Why should one want to do it?
> > Sure. But it does not hurt, does it?
> >
>Well people click it, (thinking thats the way to create a new list),
>get an error, and then think it's not working, so call our helpdesk
>saying there's an error. Even though there's not. There's just no way
>to turn off this 'feature' if you don't use it. (except by going backwards
>to an older version of Mailman, or by using another MLM).

      Ah, so what you need it to remove the LINK to the create new list 
page.  That's pretty trivial - just edit 
//mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py .  Find and remove:

If you have the proper authority, you can also create a new mailing list.

      Save, restart, and your life will be so much easier!

<>< Paul





From pareilly at tcd.ie  Sat Apr 17 20:19:43 2004
From: pareilly at tcd.ie (Paul Reilly)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 19:19:43 +0100 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Announce Only
In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.0.20040417123428.01d5f640@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: 


>       Ah, so what you need it to remove the LINK to the create new list
> page.  That's pretty trivial - just edit
> //mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py .  Find and remove:
>
Excellent - thanks. Thats what I was looking for.

Paul




From c.rowat at bham.ac.uk  Sat Apr 17 20:39:22 2004
From: c.rowat at bham.ac.uk (Colin Rowat)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 19:39:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting access to listinfo
Message-ID: <27381A3199579542AFE97AE83C648A7BB7CDAE@sscemail.adf.bham.ac.uk>

Dear list members,

I would like to set up a mailing list with higher than normal privacy
levels.  In particular, I would prefer the list description usually
found on listinfo not to be in the public domain.  Two options occur to
me:

1. place a minimal version of listinfo in the public domain so that only
those looking for it find it.  In this case, I would like information on
the list, and its code of conduct, to be agreed to by would-be
subscribers.  This seems to involve editing the subscription
confirmation e-mail.  Is this possible?  If so, I would appreciate
guidance on how to do so.  (I assume that editting the monthly
subscription notice is similar.)

2. password protect listinfo and handle subscribe requests manually.  In
this case, I would like the password used to gain access to the listinfo
page to be the same as that for the account.  Is this possible?  If so,
guidance again appreciated.

n.b. this list contained a short correspondence on this topic in
February 2000.

Thank you in advance,

Colin Rowat

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From srb at umich.edu  Sat Apr 17 22:03:10 2004
From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:03:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <2147483647.1082217790@srb.icpsr.umich.edu>

--On Saturday, April 17, 2004 11:18 AM +0100 Paul Reilly  
wrote:

> Well people click it, (thinking thats the way to create a new list),
> get an error, and then think it's not working, so call our helpdesk
> saying there's an error. Even though there's not. There's just no way
> to turn off this 'feature' if you don't use it. (except by going backwards
> to an older version of Mailman, or by using another MLM).

To which I reply:

Make that "There's just no way to turn off this 'feature' that's acceptable 
to me."  You've got the source -- change it however you like.

-- 
Steve Burling                                    
University of Michigan, ICPSR                    Voice: +1 734 615.3779
330 Packard Street                               FAX:   +1 734 647.8700
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910



From jwblist at olympus.net  Sat Apr 17 22:12:39 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:12:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A record problem? 
In-Reply-To: <407F1306.2040700@vii.com>
Message-ID: 

On 4/15/2004 15:56, "Dr. Jones"  wrote:

> Here's output from dig sanchiro.com:
> 
> ;; global options:  printcmd
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 3593
> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
> 
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;scott.sanchiro.com.            IN      A
> 
> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> sanchiro.com.           7200    IN      SOA     ns.integraonline.com.
> hostmaster.integraonline.com. 2004011204 3600 1800 604800 86400
> ;; Query time: 157 msec
> ;; SERVER: 206.163.82.4#53(206.163.82.4)
> ;; WHEN: Thu Apr 15 16:35:40 2004
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 100
> 
> I believe this shows that an A Record is not set up correctly for me. Is
> this something I am to do on my system? or is this something my ISP sets
> up on their hardware to point to my machine?

The name servers registered for your domain are
   Name Server: NS2.INTEGRAONLINE.COM
   Name Server: NS.INTEGRAONLINE.COM
so integraonline.com would be the people you would contact.  The headers in
your message reveal that they are you ISP, so yes, you need to contact them.

They are publishing DNS for sanchiro.com, with the reverse lookup being
reasonable:
# host sanchiro.com
sanchiro.com has address 64.122.114.148
# host 64.122.114.148
148.114.122.64.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail.sanchiro.com.
# host mail.sanchiro.com
mail.sanchiro.com has address 64.122.114.148

They also have a nice MX record for you:
# host -tmx sanchiro.com
sanchiro.com mail is handled by 10 mail.sanchiro.com.


It is likely that you can get them to add the scott.sanchiro.com address,
but of course I don't know their policy.  They are better at this than many
providers whose handiwork I've encountered...it appears that you selected
well.

  --John



From cwieland at uci.edu  Sat Apr 17 23:31:44 2004
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:31:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman postfix configuration errors
Message-ID: <9F6C752E-90B6-11D8-9EAF-000393012174@uci.edu>

I get the following when trying to run mailman 2.1.4 with postfix. This 
is a new installation and I'm obviously missing something on the 
configuration.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Con Wieland
UC Irvine

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
     process_request(doc, cgidata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 226, in 
process_request
     sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create
     _update_maps()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in 
_update_maps
     raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/local/sbin/postalias 
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Not owner)





From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Sun Apr 18 00:14:07 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:14:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Only
References: 
	
Message-ID: 

Paul Reilly schrieb:

>> There's more than one way to do it ...
>
> I know of the 3 ways to do it.
> But they all seem a bit around a 'bout.
> Why can't there just be a open/closed radio preference?

There IS one. It is called "emergency moderation of all list traffic".

-thh




From lrosa at mail.hypertrek.info  Sun Apr 18 07:11:38 2004
From: lrosa at mail.hypertrek.info (Luigi Rosa)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:11:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman postfix configuration errors
In-Reply-To: <9F6C752E-90B6-11D8-9EAF-000393012174@uci.edu>
References: <9F6C752E-90B6-11D8-9EAF-000393012174@uci.edu>
Message-ID: <1916027317.20040418071138@mail.hypertrek.info>

Hello Con,
Saturday, April 17, 2004, 11:31:44 PM, you wrote:

CW> I get the following when trying to run mailman 2.1.4 with postfix. This 
CW> is a new installation and I'm obviously missing something on the 
CW> configuration.

Should be the owner/permission of /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases, mine is
-rw-rw---- root mailman


-- 
Best regards,
 Luigi




From cwieland at uci.edu  Sun Apr 18 08:08:16 2004
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 23:08:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman postfix configuration errors
In-Reply-To: <1916027317.20040418071138@mail.hypertrek.info>
Message-ID: 

Thanks for the reply> I agree it looks like a permissions issue but:

ls -l /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
-rw-rw----   1 mailman      2792 Apr 17 23:05 
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases

con wieland

On Saturday, April 17, 2004, at 10:11 PM, Luigi Rosa wrote:

> Hello Con,
> Saturday, April 17, 2004, 11:31:44 PM, you wrote:
>
> CW> I get the following when trying to run mailman 2.1.4 with postfix. 
> This
> CW> is a new installation and I'm obviously missing something on the
> CW> configuration.
>
> Should be the owner/permission of /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases, 
> mine is
> -rw-rw---- root mailman
>
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Luigi
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sun Apr 18 08:23:02 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 02:23:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman postfix configuration errors
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1916027317.20040418071138@mail.hypertrek.info>
	
Message-ID: <20040418062302.GO5727@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Con Wieland wrote:
> Thanks for the reply> I agree it looks like a permissions issue but:
>
> ls -l /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
> -rw-rw----   1 mailman      2792 Apr 17 23:05 
> /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases

See the FAQ.  Searching for postalias yields this:

6.9. I get a "RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias" when
creating lists and Postfix is my MTA

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
I understand, as did our Founders, that the ultimate government
"safety net" is a straightjacket.
    -- Jason Peterson

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From tony at rtphokie.org  Sun Apr 18 15:23:44 2004
From: tony at rtphokie.org (Tony Rice)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:23:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] annoucement list question
Message-ID: <17388463824.20040418092344@rtphokie.org>

I have a couple of announcement lists that the spammers have found.  I
searched through the archive and FAQ but didn't find an answer the
following:

How can I configure a list of approved posters and discard everything
else?  For an added challenge, I've got to do this through cpanel.




From cwieland at uci.edu  Sun Apr 18 16:20:50 2004
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:20:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman postfix configuration errors
In-Reply-To: <20040418062302.GO5727@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <97AB0E54-9143-11D8-9EAF-000393012174@uci.edu>

I've seen the FAQ and I believe i have things configured correctly but 
I still get an error. The problem I suspect is I do not have a 
aliases.db file ( the aliases file is there) even though I run 
bin/genaliases. Where does this aliases.db get created?

TIA
con wieland

On Saturday, April 17, 2004, at 11:23 PM, Todd wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Con Wieland wrote:
>> Thanks for the reply> I agree it looks like a permissions issue but:
>>
>> ls -l /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
>> -rw-rw----   1 mailman      2792 Apr 17 23:05
>> /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
>
> See the FAQ.  Searching for postalias yields this:
>
> 6.9. I get a "RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias" when
> creating lists and Postfix is my MTA
>
> - --
> Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
> ======================================================================
> I understand, as did our Founders, that the ultimate government
> "safety net" is a straightjacket.
>     -- Jason Peterson
>
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>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From thocar at free.fr  Sun Apr 18 16:21:07 2004
From: thocar at free.fr (Thomas =?iso-8859-15?q?Carri=E9?=)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:21:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is mailman suitable ?
Message-ID: <200404181621.07973.thocar@free.fr>

Hi,

I have a special need for "group of emails" management, I need mailman users 
help to tell me if mailman matches my needs

1) Group definition

A group is composed of members, if an email is sent to a group, all people 
from the group receive it

2) Subscription policy

I want an administrator to be the only central person to be able to 
register/unregister someone in a group
I have no need for subscription initiated by the user

3) Group composition

As an administrator I would like to be able to register a user in a group, but 
I'd like also to put a group in another group

4) Accessibility policy

Let's say I have created groups A,B and C
As an admin I would like to be able to set the 3 following policies

group A policy : only members of the group A are able to write to group A
group B policy : only members of the group A are able to write to group B
group C policy : anyone on the internet can write to group C

Thanks for your help

-- 

Thomas Carri?
Identit? GPG : 0285ED14

http://www.adullact.org/IMG/pdf/doc-157.pdf
http://www.lebars.org/sec/tcpa-faq.fr.html
http://www.pimientolinux.com/peru2ms/villanueva_to_ms.html
http://petition.eurolinux.org/pr/fr/pr17.html
http://aful.org/publi/articles/gilmore-copy-protection.html




From texascritter at ditb.net  Sun Apr 18 19:53:58 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:53:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] annoucement list question
References: <17388463824.20040418092344@rtphokie.org>
Message-ID: <012501c4256e$20a793a0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Tony Rice wrote:

> How can I configure a list of approved posters and discard everything
> else?  For an added challenge, I've got to do this through cpanel.

Go to your list's admin interface in your browser and log in.

First set everyone to Moderated by going to the Membership list and scroll
down to Additional Member Tasks and set "Set everyone's moderation bit,
including those members not currently visible" to On > Save Changes.

Then if there's any members you do want to allow to post, find them in the
membership list and uncheck their box in the "mod" column > Save Changes.

Then go to Privacy Options > Sender Filters:

For "Action to take when a moderated member posts to the list", select
"Discard" (or leave it at Hold if you want to check each message).

If there's non-members you want to allow to post, in the box for "List of
non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted" and
enter the email addresses there for non-members who can post.

Then scroll down to "Action to take for postings from non-members for which
no explicit action is defined" and select "Discard".

Save Changes.

One caveat - I've run into a bug[1] in Mailman lately where members' posts
are rejected or held for approval with a message that they're not members.
So if you have members that you want to allow to post, in addition to
unchecking their "mod" box, you may want to also put their email addresses
in the "non-members whose postings should be accepted" box as well.

[1] I suspect this bug is limited to cPanel's version of Mailman, it
started happening after a cPanel update even tho Mailman wasn't updated.

hth,
texas critter

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From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Sun Apr 18 20:01:04 2004
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:01:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] annoucement list question
In-Reply-To: <012501c4256e$20a793a0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
References: <17388463824.20040418092344@rtphokie.org>
	<012501c4256e$20a793a0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5BD8F734-9162-11D8-A764-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>

On Apr 18, 2004, at 12:53 PM, texas critter wrote:
> Tony Rice wrote:
>
>> How can I configure a list of approved posters and discard everything
>> else?  For an added challenge, I've got to do this through cpanel.
>
> Go to your list's admin interface in your browser and log in.
>
> First set everyone to Moderated by going to the Membership list and 
> scroll
> down to Additional Member Tasks and set "Set everyone's moderation bit,
> including those members not currently visible" to On > Save Changes.
>
> Then if there's any members you do want to allow to post, find them in 
> the
> membership list and uncheck their box in the "mod" column > Save 
> Changes.
>

I've always assumed that would work, but I tried it on my test list and 
discovered that unchecking ANY mod box and saving changes unchecks ALL 
mod boxes when they have been set with the "set everyone's" switch. 
Anyone else have that experience?

Dan




From clittle at corp.ivs.cc  Sun Apr 18 20:05:36 2004
From: clittle at corp.ivs.cc (Charles Little)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:05:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Headers from Digests
Message-ID: 

Hello-

I have setup and installed Mailman 2.1.3. and it's
working fine.  I just have one question; on the
digests, I am getting full headers for each post for
some reason.  Is there any way to get mailman to strip
those, or are there any suggestions as to a setting I
may have wrong?

Thanks!

--------------------------------------------
Charles Little | President/Sr. Developer
Infinite Visions Studios | http://corp.ivs.cc
clittle at corp.ivs.cc | (404) 606-0455 | (770) 879-3628
...there are no limits...






From Agrevet at aol.com  Sat Apr 17 18:13:26 2004
From: Agrevet at aol.com (Agrevet at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:13:26 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists
Message-ID: <12e.3f9f8203.2db2b1a6@aol.com>

Hi,

Is there any way to set up an umbrella list so that the members of the 
sub-lists can post to each other?  

Thanks,
Alice G.


From kipp.smith at ucr.edu  Fri Apr 16 19:54:18 2004
From: kipp.smith at ucr.edu (Smith, Kipp)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:54:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.13
Message-ID: <1FF8F2059FAED3118C7D009027CC70F201F47318@parking.ucr.edu>

I am having trouble setting the bounce options for Mailman 2.0.13. We have
several lists that will receive maybe one email a day. I have tried several
settings but cannot seem to make Mailman remove the bounced emails.

Any suggestions?

Upgrading to 2.1.4 is not an option at this time.

Kipp Smith
Information Systems Manager
Transportation & Parking Services
University of California - Riverside
683 Linden Street
Riverside, CA 92521-0158
(909) 787-4395 x 11297
(909) 787-2178 (fax)
kipp.smith at ucr.edu



From lwm at indiana.edu  Fri Apr 16 22:28:42 2004
From: lwm at indiana.edu (Lawerence W. Meehan)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:28:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Senddigests fails with HeaderParseError
Message-ID: <408041FA.4050503@indiana.edu>

I did a search of the list on HeaderParseError and didn't find an answer 
to this.
I'm running mailman 2.1.4.

I just had senddigests fail due to this "From: " line:

    From: =?Windows-1251?B?wuvg5Ojs6PAgyvDg8e7i8ero6Q?= 


I deleted the character set specification and the digest was sent 
successfully.
Has anyone else seen this?  Even if the charset is bogus, mailman 
shouldn't bomb.

The error I got was:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
    mlist.send_digest_now()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now
    ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 132, in 
send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 225, in 
send_i18n_digests
    addresses = getaddresses([oneline(msg.get('from', ''), lcset)])
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 389, in 
oneline
    h = make_header(decode_header(s))
  File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 113, in 
decode_header
    raise HeaderParseError
email.Errors.HeaderParseError




From lwm at indiana.edu  Fri Apr 16 22:47:25 2004
From: lwm at indiana.edu (Lawerence W. Meehan)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:47:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Senddigests fails with HeaderParseError
In-Reply-To: <408041FA.4050503@indiana.edu>
References: <408041FA.4050503@indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <4080465D.6020909@indiana.edu>

I did a search of the list on HeaderParseError and didn't find an answer 
to this.
I'm running mailman 2.1.4.

I just had senddigests fail due to this "From: " line:

   From: =?Windows-1251?B?wuvg5Ojs6PAgyvDg8e7i8ero6Q?= 


I deleted the character set specification and the digest was sent 
successfully.
Has anyone else seen this?  Even if the charset is bogus, mailman 
shouldn't bomb.

The error I got was:

Traceback (most recent call last):
 File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
   main()
 File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
   mlist.send_digest_now()
 File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now
   ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
 File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 132, in 
send_digests
   send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
 File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 225, in 
send_i18n_digests
   addresses = getaddresses([oneline(msg.get('from', ''), lcset)])
 File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 389, in 
oneline
   h = make_header(decode_header(s))
 File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 113, in 
decode_header
   raise HeaderParseError
email.Errors.HeaderParseError



From texascritter at ditb.net  Sun Apr 18 20:24:30 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:24:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] annoucement list question
References: <17388463824.20040418092344@rtphokie.org><012501c4256e$20a793a0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<5BD8F734-9162-11D8-A764-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <016c01c42572$648a4820$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Dan Phillips wrote:

> I've always assumed that would work, but I tried it on my test list and
> discovered that unchecking ANY mod box and saving changes unchecks ALL
> mod boxes when they have been set with the "set everyone's" switch.
> Anyone else have that experience?

Not here, I just did a test on one of my lists, I used the "set everyone"
to put everyone on moderation and then I unchecked several list member's
mod box and clicked the submit button and it worked fine, everyone else
stayed on moderation except the ones I unchecked.

What version of Mailman are you using?  O/S?  cPanel?

(I'm on v2.1.3 thru cPanel)

hth,
texas critter

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From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Sun Apr 18 22:10:25 2004
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:10:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] annoucement list question
In-Reply-To: <016c01c42572$648a4820$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
References: <17388463824.20040418092344@rtphokie.org><012501c4256e$20a793a0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<5BD8F734-9162-11D8-A764-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
	<016c01c42572$648a4820$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <6E2E13C6-9174-11D8-A764-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>

On Apr 18, 2004, at 1:24 PM, texas critter wrote:
> Dan Phillips wrote:
>> I've always assumed that would work, but I tried it on my test list 
>> and
>> discovered that unchecking ANY mod box and saving changes unchecks ALL
>> mod boxes when they have been set with the "set everyone's" switch.
>> Anyone else have that experience?
>
> Not here,
> What version of Mailman are you using?  O/S?  cPanel?
>
> (I'm on v2.1.3 thru cPanel)
>

2.1.4, OS X 10.2.

Dan




From peter at phmb.biz  Sun Apr 18 23:17:22 2004
From: peter at phmb.biz (peter at phmb.biz)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 23:17:22 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] usenet news <-> mailman gateway config question
In-Reply-To: <31629.161.114.228.150.1082084529.squirrel@www.phmb.biz>
References: <31629.161.114.228.150.1082084529.squirrel@www.phmb.biz>
Message-ID: <1159.161.114.228.150.1082323042.squirrel@www.phmb.biz>

I'm getting there with the mailman <-> news gateway, but I need some help!

I've got the Default.py file updated to have the correct nntp server and
the logon details. It should be the ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file, but,
as far as I can see from the documentation, the Default.py file is merged
with the mm_cfg.py file so it should work.

I've got to get the cron job to work, but, before that, I wanted to test
it. So, following the manual, I ran:

python -S gate_news

  File "cron/gate_news", line 83
    print >> fd, _(__doc__)
           ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

This does not look good to me!

The documentation says that it is possible to run the cron script
directly, as I have done, so it should work.

Is this a known bug?

Has somebody out there actually got gate_news running properly? If so,
what goes on in lines 80-85?



From texascritter at ditb.net  Mon Apr 19 01:05:02 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter - mailman-users)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 18:05:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spoofing Issue
References: <200404051255.i35CtfVT007229@ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com>
	
Message-ID: <0af101c42599$955f6ee0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Thomas Hochstein wrote:

> Of course. Mailman - as most or all other MLAs - only checks the
> From:-Header; that means, "spoofing" is as easy as entering your mail
> address (or the mail address of someone who is allowed to send mail to
> the list) as the sender.

FYI, Mailman actually checks more than the From header which is how the
Beagle virus is able to post to lists.  Beagle forges the Envelope-From and
Mailman alsoe checks that header for member addresses and their posting
privileges so if Beagle happens to get a valid list member who's not
moderated in the Envelope-From header, the message goes thru to the list
(happened to me at the beginning of February on a list of 1,200 plus
members).  The Envelope-From is then stripped when Mailman processes the
message and sends it back out to the list.

You can set Mailman to only check the From header by putting this line in
your mm_cfg.py file:

SENDER_HEADERS = ('from')

Mailman's Default.py shows what headers it checks by default.

hth,
texas critter

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From texascritter at ditb.net  Mon Apr 19 01:18:02 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter - mailman-users)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 18:18:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] usenet news <-> mailman gateway config question
References: <31629.161.114.228.150.1082084529.squirrel@www.phmb.biz>
	<1159.161.114.228.150.1082323042.squirrel@www.phmb.biz>
Message-ID: <0b7601c4259b$65f61080$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

peter at phmb.biz wrote:

> I've got the Default.py file updated to have the correct nntp server and
> the logon details. It should be the ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file, but,
> as far as I can see from the documentation, the Default.py file is merged
> with the mm_cfg.py file so it should work.

The reason you're supposed to put your changes in mm_cfg.py is because if
you upgrade Mailman, the Default.py is overwritten during the upgrade
process.  But mm_cfg.py is not overwritten during upgrading so it retains
your customizations.

Mailman FAQ Entry
4.21. Why make changes in mm_cfg.py NOT Defaults.py ?
http://python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.021.htp

hth,
texas critter

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From peter at phmb.biz  Mon Apr 19 02:09:57 2004
From: peter at phmb.biz (peter at phmb.biz)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 02:09:57 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] usenet news <-> mailman gateway config question
In-Reply-To: <0b7601c4259b$65f61080$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
References: <31629.161.114.228.150.1082084529.squirrel@www.phmb.biz><1159.161.114.
	228.150.1082323042.squirrel@www.phmb.biz> 
	<0b7601c4259b$65f61080$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <45425.161.114.228.150.1082333397.squirrel@www.phmb.biz>

> peter at phmb.biz wrote:
>
>> I've got the Default.py file updated to have the correct nntp server and
>> the logon details. It should be the ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file,
>> but,
>> as far as I can see from the documentation, the Default.py file is
>> merged
>> with the mm_cfg.py file so it should work.
>
> The reason you're supposed to put your changes in mm_cfg.py is because if
> you upgrade Mailman, the Default.py is overwritten during the upgrade
> process.  But mm_cfg.py is not overwritten during upgrading so it retains
> your customizations.
>
> Mailman FAQ Entry
> 4.21. Why make changes in mm_cfg.py NOT Defaults.py ?
> http://python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.021.htp
>
Yes, I understood that, and I've asked the helpful support person to put
it in the right place.

I'm concerned about the cron script falling over though - I'm hoping that
it  is just a symptom of an out of date version of Python.



From Zaida at Puccio.com  Mon Apr 19 02:27:40 2004
From: Zaida at Puccio.com (Zaida)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:27:40 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: confirm b548ac5cbc44a47605e14b9681290c27d5a13450
Message-ID: <00b601c425a5$207e5bc0$7e01a8c0@r7o7z9>


----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 9:03 PM
Subject: confirm b548ac5cbc44a47605e14b9681290c27d5a13450


> Mailing list removal confirmation notice for mailing list
> Mailman-Users
>
> We have received a request for the removal of your email address,
> "zaida at puccio.com" from the mailman-users at python.org mailing list.  To
> confirm that you want to be removed from this mailing list, simply
> reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact.  Or visit
> this web page:
>
>
http://mail.python.org/mailman/confirm/mailman-users/b548ac5cbc44a47605e14b9
681290c27d5a13450
>
>
> Or include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a
> message to mailman-users-request at python.org:
>
>     confirm b548ac5cbc44a47605e14b9681290c27d5a13450
>
> Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from
> most mail readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in the
> right form (additional "Re:" text in the Subject: is okay).
>
> If you do not wish to be removed from this list, please simply
> disregard this message.  If you think you are being maliciously
> removed from the list, or have any other questions, send them to
> mailman-users-owner at python.org.
>





From texascritter at ditb.net  Mon Apr 19 02:33:38 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter - mailman-users)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:33:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: confirm
	b548ac5cbc44a47605e14b9681290c27d5a13450
References: <00b601c425a5$207e5bc0$7e01a8c0@r7o7z9>
Message-ID: <0b9501c425a5$f5590520$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Are you trying to unsubscribe from the list?  You have to reply to the
confirmation, not forward it, it has to go back to *-request* address, not
the list address.

Or did you get this confirmation and you weren't trying to unsub?

Or some other problem?

texas critter


Zaida wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 9:03 PM
> Subject: confirm b548ac5cbc44a47605e14b9681290c27d5a13450
>
>
> > Mailing list removal confirmation notice for mailing list
> > Mailman-Users
> >
> > We have received a request for the removal of your email address,
> > "zaida at puccio.com" from the mailman-users at python.org mailing list.  To
> > confirm that you want to be removed from this mailing list, simply
> > reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact.  Or visit
> > this web page:
> >
> >
>
http://mail.python.org/mailman/confirm/mailman-users/b548ac5cbc44a47605e14b
9
> 681290c27d5a13450
> >
> >
> > Or include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a
> > message to mailman-users-request at python.org:
> >
> >     confirm b548ac5cbc44a47605e14b9681290c27d5a13450
> >
> > Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from
> > most mail readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in the
> > right form (additional "Re:" text in the Subject: is okay).
> >
> > If you do not wish to be removed from this list, please simply
> > disregard this message.  If you think you are being maliciously
> > removed from the list, or have any other questions, send them to
> > mailman-users-owner at python.org.
> >




From relson at osagesoftware.com  Mon Apr 19 02:47:06 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:47:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with new installation
Message-ID: <20040418204706.50dce6fc@osage.osagesoftware.com>

Greetings,

I'm setting up my first mailing list, using mailman+postfix and it's
been difficult :-(  At this point, mailman is accepting messages to
"list-subscribe at domanin.org" and is storing them in directory
/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/commands/.  However no further processing
occurs.  I've checked my system logs and don't see any messages.  Any
suggestions what I should look for? 

Thanks.

David



From scaryfast at flyingmug.com  Mon Apr 19 02:58:44 2004
From: scaryfast at flyingmug.com (scaryfast at flyingmug.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:58:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mysterious admin and listinfo page behavior
Message-ID: <1082336324.40832444d0aee@mail.flyingmug.com>

ok..searched the archives and didnt find a match...lets see if anyone can help.

if i go to http://domainname.com/mailman/admin

I get results that say there are no publicly listed lists....even though there
are.

then if I go to http://domainname.com/mailman/admin/test

I get the opportunity to administer the test mailing list...I login and then log
back out.

Now I then follow the link "Overview of all flyingmug.com mailing lists" which
directs me to http://domainname.com/mailman/listinfo

I get all the lists that are public..."Below is a listing of all the public
mailing lists on..."

Why can I only see public lists after ive logged into a public list.

Thanks in advance.





From scaryfast at flyingmug.com  Mon Apr 19 04:20:51 2004
From: scaryfast at flyingmug.com (scaryfast at flyingmug.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:20:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mysterious admin and listinfo page behavior
In-Reply-To: <1082338184.40832b8867221@mail.flyingmug.com>
References: <1082336324.40832444d0aee@mail.flyingmug.com>
	<1082338184.40832b8867221@mail.flyingmug.com>
Message-ID: <1082341251.408337833eeb2@mail.flyingmug.com>

OK OK....i figured it out.

./withlist -l -r fix_url listname -v -u vhost.domainname.com

Quoting scaryfast at flyingmug.com:

> Found some info on the mailing list that explains my behavior but I dont know
> how to fix it.
>
> When I go to host.domainname.com/mailman/admin I can see all the lists.
> When I go to vhost.domainname.com/mailman/admin I cant see any of the lists.
>
> however when i go to vhost.domainname.com/mailman/admin/test I can login to
> the
> list however all the links inside the admin page are to host.domainname.com.
>
> Im confused becuase in mm_cfg.py i set the host to vhost.domainname.com.
>
> Im guessing somewhere in the code its getting the hostname of the machine but
> I
> cant figure out where to override it...any ideas?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Quoting scaryfast at flyingmug.com:
>
> > ok..searched the archives and didnt find a match...lets see if anyone can
> > help.
> >
> > if i go to http://domainname.com/mailman/admin
> >
> > I get results that say there are no publicly listed lists....even though
> > there
> > are.
> >
> > then if I go to http://domainname.com/mailman/admin/test
> >
> > I get the opportunity to administer the test mailing list...I login and
> then
> > log
> > back out.
> >
> > Now I then follow the link "Overview of all flyingmug.com mailing lists"
> > which
> > directs me to http://domainname.com/mailman/listinfo
> >
> > I get all the lists that are public..."Below is a listing of all the public
> > mailing lists on..."
> >
> > Why can I only see public lists after ive logged into a public list.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
>
>
>
>






From mailman-users at think.co.za  Mon Apr 19 07:34:17 2004
From: mailman-users at think.co.za (Hilton J Ralphs)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 07:34:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is mailman suitable ?
Message-ID: <1082352857.408364d91207d@email.think.co.za>


Quoting Thomas Carri? :

> 1) Group definition
> A group is composed of members, if an email is sent to a group, all people
> from the group receive it
- can do

> 2) Subscription policy
> I want an administrator to be the only central person to be able to
> register/unregister someone in a group
> I have no need for subscription initiated by the user
- no problem

> 3) Group composition
> As an administrator I would like to be able to register a user in a group,
> but I'd like also to put a group in another group
- Um, not sure about this.

> 4) Accessibility policy
> Let's say I have created groups A,B and C
> As an admin I would like to be able to set the 3 following policies
>
> group A policy : only members of the group A are able to write to group A
- yes

> group B policy : only members of the group A are able to write to group B
- not by group, but you may have to add users from 'A' to the 'List of non-
member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted' in
group 'B's list.

> group C policy : anyone on the internet can write to group C
- yes but they would have to subscribe

Hope this helps.

Cheers
Hilton Ralphs




From mas at semafor.ch  Mon Apr 19 08:53:18 2004
From: mas at semafor.ch (Sorin Marti)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:53:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachements
Message-ID: <4083775E.5090901@semafor.ch>

Hi all,

I am using mailman 2.0.13 and if users are sending attachemnts (they are 
allowed to do that and I want to archive these attachments) these files 
are displayed as MIME streams. I want these files saved with links to it 
in the particular mail or a list of attached files or something like that...

I searched with google about this problem and it seems that mailman 2.1 
can handle this.

Is that true?
What do I have to care about if I make an update?
How is the file displayed in the archive?
Is there an how-to somewhere?

Any hints are appreciated

   Thanks
     Sorin




From mailman-users at xonx.de  Mon Apr 19 15:06:59 2004
From: mailman-users at xonx.de (Steffen Mueller)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:06:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-Admin
In-Reply-To: <200404151917.i3FJHqiW001288@quicksilvermail.net>
References: <200404151917.i3FJHqiW001288@quicksilvermail.net>
Message-ID: <4083CEF3.5040304@xonx.de>

On 04/15/04 21:17 richard at quicksilverstore.com wrote:
> 
> I'm new to this list. I have created a couple test lists and find the 
> list-admin address seems to be a black hole. 

Hi.

Richard, what version of Mailman do you use?

I have the same result when trying to mail to the list-admin: it gets 
blackholed. mail-owner works.

Regarding my exim logs, the mails to list-admin are directed to mailman. 
But mailman doesn't react on them.

Could this be a bug?

Using mailman 2.1.4 (debian woody backport)
with exim 3.35 (debian woody)

-- 
cheers,
Steffen



From scaryfast at flyingmug.com  Mon Apr 19 16:06:13 2004
From: scaryfast at flyingmug.com (scaryfast at flyingmug.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:06:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] automating aliases for postfix with mysql lookups?
Message-ID: <1082383573.4083dcd56a286@mail.flyingmug.com>

I am running postfix 2.x and mailman 2.1.  My aliases use postfix mysql maps
instead of hashed db files.

Is there a way to get mailman to auto populate the tables for me on list
creating and deletion.







From hilton at think.co.za  Sun Apr 18 22:40:02 2004
From: hilton at think.co.za (Hilton J Ralphs)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:40:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is mailman suitable ?
In-Reply-To: <200404181621.07973.thocar@free.fr>
References: <200404181621.07973.thocar@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1082320802.4082e7a2b0b8c@email.think.co.za>

Quoting Thomas Carri? :

> 1) Group definition
> A group is composed of members, if an email is sent to a group, all people 
> from the group receive it
- can do

> 2) Subscription policy
> I want an administrator to be the only central person to be able to 
> register/unregister someone in a group
> I have no need for subscription initiated by the user
- no problem

> 3) Group composition
> As an administrator I would like to be able to register a user in a group,
> but I'd like also to put a group in another group
- Um, not sure about this.
 
> 4) Accessibility policy
> Let's say I have created groups A,B and C
> As an admin I would like to be able to set the 3 following policies
> 
> group A policy : only members of the group A are able to write to group A
- yes

> group B policy : only members of the group A are able to write to group B
- not by group, but you may have to add users from 'A' to the 'List of non-
member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted' in 
group 'B's list.

> group C policy : anyone on the internet can write to group C
- yes but they would have to subscribe

Hope this helps.

Cheers
Hilton Ralphs





From Scioto at Scioto.Org  Mon Apr 19 13:14:35 2004
From: Scioto at Scioto.Org (Allen Richmond)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:14:35 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 'Suspicious header' question
Message-ID: <4083B49B.8F2CB0E2@Scioto.Org>

Howdy:

I'm running into a continuous barrage of "suspicious header" messages
like the one below:

> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
> following mailing list posting:
> 
>     List:    RossCo at Scioto.Org
>     From:    rbrown at bright.net
>     Subject: Re: [RossCo] William M. James
>     Reason:  Message has a suspicious header
> 
> At your convenience, visit:
> 
>     http://mail.scioto.org/mailman/admindb/rossco_scioto.org
>         
> to approve or deny the request.
> 
> 
>     Subject: Re: [RossCo] William M. James
>       Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 06:50:49 -0400
>       From: "Rick Brown" 
>         To: "Ross County OH Discussion Group" 
>  References: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 , 7
> 
> It is my belief that Peter, Sr. (b. ca. 1750) was the son of Charles 
> O'Briant of Fauquier County, VA.  I believe that the O'Briants that 
> came to Pike and Adams County are descendants of the Charles.
>  
> Rick

...and the upstream admin staff have absolutely *no clue* how to
eliminate the problem (!!). The lists at Scioto.Org are set up as
subscriber-posting only, so the posts being caught should be piped
through without need for intervention. The goal is to turn off the
'suspicious header' subroutine (?) so that our subscribers' mail goes to
the list as designed, but the staff upstream has passed the buck to me,
the end-user...and here I am.  :-)

Any ideas for a solution to this exascerbating problem? 

Thanks!

--
Allen Richmond, Scioto at Scioto.Org
http://www.Scioto.Org/



From tpf at canes.gsw.edu  Mon Apr 19 16:33:02 2004
From: tpf at canes.gsw.edu (Tim Faircloth)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:33:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is mailman suitable ?
In-Reply-To: <1082320802.4082e7a2b0b8c@email.think.co.za>
References: <200404181621.07973.thocar@free.fr>
	<1082320802.4082e7a2b0b8c@email.think.co.za>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20040419103127.025acfa8@canes.gsw.edu>

At 04:40 PM 4/18/2004, you wrote:
>Quoting Thomas Carri? :
> > group C policy : anyone on the internet can write to group C
>- yes but they would have to subscribe

not neccessarily.  there's an option under Subscription rules/sender 
filters about what to do with non-member posts... "allow", "hold", 
"reject", "discard"

/tim
-- 
Tim Faircloth, System Administrator
GSW OIIT
Office: (229) 931-5076	Beeper: (229) 928-1458




From drjones at vii.com  Mon Apr 19 16:31:57 2004
From: drjones at vii.com (Dr. Jones)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:31:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply includes "mailman-bounces" ... response to
	new subscriptions
Message-ID: <4083E2DD.9020209@vii.com>

I created a new list this morning, sent a test message to 5 close 
friends..and looked in my inbox to find 5 new messages from sender which 
includes "mailman-bounces@" as part of the address....

Why would Mailman address such a successfully added response this way?

Scott

-- 
Dr. Scott S. Jones
Hands-On Chiropractic 
IRC: irc.freenode.net #utah
Yahoo: sanchiro12





From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in  Mon Apr 19 16:34:27 2004
From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:04:27 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix+mailman, part 2
In-Reply-To: <20040416075521.08a39085@osage.osagesoftware.com>
References: <20040415083525.568998a9@osage.osagesoftware.com>
	<19505.195.212.28.100.1082079069.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
	<20040416075521.08a39085@osage.osagesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <43928.195.212.28.100.1082385267.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>

hi,

As the erros says you should have configured the mailman
'--with-mail-gid=nogroup' option.

So go to your extracted tar-ball directory, so "su - mailman" and as a
user "mailman" say:
$ ./configure --prefix=/var/lib/mailman --with-var-prefix=/var/mailman
--with-cgi-gid=nogroup --with-mail-gid=nogroup
$ make
$ make install

This should work.

May be you installed mailman when logged in as root!

--yogesh

------------------
> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:01:09 +0530 (IST)
> Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote:
>
>> okie .. i think you should:
>>
>> Add the line /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases to alias_maps and *remove*
>> it from virtual_alias_maps.
>>
>> Just make sure that you run:
>> /usr/bin/postmap on var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
>> And
>> /usr/sbin/postaliases on /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
>>
>> The problem is the user "test-subscribe" should be resolvable locally
>
> Lo Yogesh,
>
> Thanks for writing.  After my post I did some more research and
> experimentation, which resulted in /etc/postfix/main.cf having the lines
> you suggest, i.e.:
>
> virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual,
>                hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
>
>
> alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases,
>            hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
>
> Postfix now has a different complaint, i.e
>
>
> : Command died with status
> 2:
>     "/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe bogofilter". Command
> output: Group
>     mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be
> executed as
>     group "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail
> script as
>     group "nogroup".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as
> group
>     "mailman", or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
> `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'.
>
> Checking user and group id's, I have:
>
> [root at nic mail]# ll /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman
> -rwxrwsr-x 1 mailman mailman 6248 Mar 14 16:46
> /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman*
>
> [root at nic mail]# grep mailman /etc/passwd /etc/group
> /etc/passwd:mailman:x:1200:1200::/home/mailman:/bin/false
> /etc/group:mailman:x:1200:
>
> AFAICT, the permissions are set properly.  Do you know how to tweak the
> mail server (as suggested by mailman)?
>
> Thanks.
>
> David


--yogesh

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them
all and in the darkness bind them.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++






From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Mon Apr 19 16:43:59 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:43:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 'Suspicious header' question
In-Reply-To: <4083B49B.8F2CB0E2@Scioto.Org>
References: <4083B49B.8F2CB0E2@Scioto.Org>
Message-ID: <20040419144359.GX5727@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Allen Richmond wrote:
> I'm running into a continuous barrage of "suspicious header" messages
[...]
> ...and the upstream admin staff have absolutely *no clue* how to
> eliminate the problem (!!).

grep is their friend. :)

> Any ideas for a solution to this exascerbating problem? 

Look at Privacy options -> Spam filters in the admin GUI.  The
suspicious header message is triggered by a match in the "Hold posts
with header value matching a specified regexp" section.  Perhaps
someone has entered a common header there that's causing all your
messages to get flagged.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
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From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in  Mon Apr 19 16:59:44 2004
From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:29:44 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman, postfix and number of emails ???
Message-ID: <33553.195.212.28.100.1082386784.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>

Hi,

I am using postfix + mailman to hold my internal mailing lists. The
hierarchy is like this:

Internet <-> Postfix/Mailman Server <-> Mainframe <-> IntraNet

All users have accounts on Mainframe. I have added few lists on the
postfix/mailman. All lists have addresses like this: xxx at mydomain.com

Now from my mainframe when I send a mail to such a list, it gets expanded
on mailman and then mailman injects them one by one to postfix.

Now, I have few lists with more 7000 to 10000 users. I cannot put them on
Mainframe because it overloads it and degrades the performance. Also I
don't want so many mails to come from postfix as it chokes my Mainframe
affecting other in/out going mails. I want mailman to send one mail per 20
users and I also want mailman so send this one mail at a rate of say one
mail per second. I mean a somewhat delayed output is okey with me.

Is thete any *smart* solution in between???

Thanks in advance.

--yogesh









From python.org at daveola.com  Mon Apr 19 08:01:31 2004
From: python.org at daveola.com (David Ljung Madison)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:01:31
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List is posting only to itself (debian, exim,
	mailman 2.1.4)
Message-ID: 


Problem
-------
For some reason my list seems to send postings back out to itself,
instead of to the list members.  In other words, when I mail a post
to somelist at a.com it sends the message back out to somelist at a.com.

Setup
-----
Running Debian 3.0 (up to date) with exim v3.35, trying to get mailman-2.1.4
to work (I previously had 2.0.11 working with no problems from the debian
binary package, but now I'm trying to upgrade from source).

I'll call my domain "a.com" in this email and use the list "somelist"

Outgoing email goes through exim.

Incoming email for "*@a.com" does not use exim, it is pop fetched
(via fetchmail) and sent through my mail filter which calls the
mailman wrapper when it sees mailing list addresses.

Troubleshooting
---------------
1) I send to the list 'somelist' with subject 'foo bar'
2) My filter sees the message to somelist at a.com with subject "foo bar"
   and calls the wrapper (using the correct group)
3) I see the message added to the mailman archive mbox
4) logs/post sees the posting (and claims success)
5) logs/smtp claims completion of the message for my 3 test recipients
6) qfiles/ directories are empty.
7) My exim logs shows the mail from somelist-bounces going out to my 3 recips
   (And the message isn't sitting in the exim spool)

But for some reason, instead of seeing three messages sent to my
3 test recipients, I get one message (with the expected subject
of "[Somelist] foo bar") that is addressed to somelist at a.com.
(And of course, my mail filter calls the mailman wrapper again with
this message as a posting, but then nothing else happens, it doesn't
show up in the archives or logs).

I couldn't find any settings that would cause this behavior, and exim
is seeing the three recipients as the target of the email...

So why isn't this being sent to my recipients instead of back to the list?

More troubleshooting
--------------------

I read README.EXIM - but this doesn't effect me because I'm not using
EXIM for receiving email, just for sending it out.  (And we know this
isn't the problem because you can see the filter calling the wrapper
works from steps 1-3 above).

Even though *some* mail was going out, I followed the troubleshooting
instructions at the Mailman FAQ Wizard and found nothing wrong (except
the lock that mailmanctl holds for qrunner which is supposed to be there
since it's a daemon, yes?)

I can 'su mailman' and send mail to the test recipients fine.

I don't change any of the SMTP settings in mm_cfg.py:
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
MTA = 'Manual'
SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
SMTPPORT = 0                                      # default from smtplib
SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/lib/sendmail'


Dave

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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Apr 19 17:44:48 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:44:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman, postfix and number of emails
 ???
In-Reply-To: <33553.195.212.28.100.1082386784.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
References: <33553.195.212.28.100.1082386784.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
Message-ID: 

At 8:29 PM +0530 2004/04/19, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote:

>  Now, I have few lists with more 7000 to 10000 users. I cannot put them on
>  Mainframe because it overloads it and degrades the performance. Also I
>  don't want so many mails to come from postfix as it chokes my Mainframe
>  affecting other in/out going mails. I want mailman to send one mail per 20
>  users and I also want mailman so send this one mail at a rate of say one
>  mail per second. I mean a somewhat delayed output is okey with me.

	You can set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS (in mm_cfg_.py) to be 20, or any other 
value you want.  Many MTAs will refuse to accept more than a given 
number of recipients per message, although the exact number of 
allowed recipients per message may vary by the site.

	If you set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to be 20 and you have 10,000 users on 
the mainframe, then only 500 copies of the message should be sent by 
mailman to the mainframe.  Note that postfix is very good at limiting 
the outbound bandwidth utilization so as not to overflow the 
receiving end, but that this can be tweaked somewhat.  If you want to 
reduce this, you would need to modify the postfix configuration to 
reduce the number of parallel connections that are allowed.

	However, I believe that any attempt to apply rate limiting within 
mailman itself will be a major mistake.  See the archives for more 
information.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See  for more info.



From ethan at plaxo.com  Mon Apr 19 18:28:19 2004
From: ethan at plaxo.com (Ethan Erchinger)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:28:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Possible bug in 2.1.4 (AttributeError)
Message-ID: <870AC645594CD9448E6649CCE059A65E32EC54@corpex.plaxo.com>

Hi all,

We recently moved a machine (physically) and for some reason the mailman
installation quit working.  
I get the following error when viewing the main mailman page.  Any help
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Ethan

------------------
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 42, in main
    listinfo_overview()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 89, in
listinfo_overview
    if mlist.advertised:
  File "MailList.py", line 144, in __getattr__
AttributeError: advertised



Python information:

Variable	Value
sys.version	2.1.1 (#1, Feb 11 2003, 14:49:19) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red
Hat Linux 7.2 2.96-108.7.2)]
sys.executable	/usr/bin/python2
sys.prefix	/usr
sys.exec_prefix	/usr
sys.path	/usr
sys.platform	linux2

Environment variables:

Variable	Value
DOCUMENT_ROOT 	/var/www/html
SERVER_ADDR 	192.168.1.208
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 	gzip,deflate
SERVER_PORT 	80
REMOTE_ADDR 	192.168.1.104
SERVER_SOFTWARE 	Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux)
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 	CGI/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 	en-us,en;q=0.5
REMOTE_PORT 	3143
SERVER_NAME 	server.plaxo.com
HTTP_CONNECTION 	keep-alive
HTTP_USER_AGENT 	Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.6) Gecko/20040206 Firefox/0.8
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 	ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
HTTP_ACCEPT
application/x-shockwave-flash,text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml
,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif
;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1
REQUEST_URI 	/mailman/listinfo
QUERY_STRING 	
SERVER_PROTOCOL 	HTTP/1.1
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 	300
HTTP_HOST 	server.plaxo.com
REQUEST_METHOD 	GET
SERVER_SIGNATURE 	
Apache/1.3.27 Server at server.plaxo.com Port 80
SCRIPT_NAME 	/mailman/listinfo
SERVER_ADMIN 	nobody at plaxo.com
SCRIPT_FILENAME 	/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
PYTHONPATH 	/usr/local/mailman
HTTP_REFERER 	http://server.plaxo.com/

-------------


From anner at blast.com  Mon Apr 19 18:34:22 2004
From: anner at blast.com (Anne Ramey)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:34:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix+mailman, part 2
In-Reply-To: <20040416075521.08a39085@osage.osagesoftware.com>
References: <20040415083525.568998a9@osage.osagesoftware.com>
	<19505.195.212.28.100.1082079069.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
	<20040416075521.08a39085@osage.osagesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <699DA725-921F-11D8-A7C8-000A959E1C16@blast.com>

It looks like your file permissions are good, but what user is actually 
running mailman?

Anne
On Apr 16, 2004, at 7:55 AM, David Relson wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:01:09 +0530 (IST)
> Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote:
>
>> okie .. i think you should:
>>
>> Add the line /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases to alias_maps and *remove*
>> it from virtual_alias_maps.
>>
>> Just make sure that you run:
>> /usr/bin/postmap on var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
>> And
>> /usr/sbin/postaliases on /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
>>
>> The problem is the user "test-subscribe" should be resolvable locally
>
> Lo Yogesh,
>
> Thanks for writing.  After my post I did some more research and
> experimentation, which resulted in /etc/postfix/main.cf having the 
> lines
> you suggest, i.e.:
>
> virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual,
>                hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
>
>
> alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases,
>            hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
>
> Postfix now has a different complaint, i.e
>
>
> : Command died with status
> 2:
>     "/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe bogofilter". Command
> output: Group
>     mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be
> executed as
>     group "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail
> script as
>     group "nogroup".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as
> group
>     "mailman", or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
>     `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'.
>
> Checking user and group id's, I have:
>
> [root at nic mail]# ll /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman
> -rwxrwsr-x 1 mailman mailman 6248 Mar 14 16:46
> /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman*
>
> [root at nic mail]# grep mailman /etc/passwd /etc/group
> /etc/passwd:mailman:x:1200:1200::/home/mailman:/bin/false
> /etc/group:mailman:x:1200:
>
> AFAICT, the permissions are set properly.  Do you know how to tweak the
> mail server (as suggested by mailman)?
>
> Thanks.
>
> David




From cwieland at uci.edu  Mon Apr 19 18:35:05 2004
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:35:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no bin/aliases.db file
Message-ID: <8347E862-921F-11D8-BFE7-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>

I run bin.genaliases and it creates an apparently empty aliases.dir 
file. How do I create the aliases.db file

TIA
con wieland




From mailman-users at think.co.za  Mon Apr 19 18:52:50 2004
From: mailman-users at think.co.za (mailman-users at think.co.za)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:52:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is mailman suitable ?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.1.20040419103127.025acfa8@canes.gsw.edu>
Message-ID: <00a301c4262e$c02926d0$0500a8c0@hjr>

You're right Tim, there's an option under "General posting
filters" where you can allow 'the whole world' to post
unrestricted.

Thanks
Cheers
Hilton

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Tim
Faircloth

At 04:40 PM 4/18/2004, you wrote:
>Quoting Thomas Carri? :
> > group C policy : anyone on the internet can write to
group C
>- yes but they would have to subscribe

not neccessarily.  there's an option under Subscription
rules/sender 
filters about what to do with non-member posts... "allow",
"hold", 
"reject", "discard"

/tim
-- 




From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Mon Apr 19 19:13:10 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:13:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no bin/aliases.db file
In-Reply-To: <8347E862-921F-11D8-BFE7-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>
References: <8347E862-921F-11D8-BFE7-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>
Message-ID: <20040419171309.GY5727@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

Con Wieland wrote:
> I run bin.genaliases and it creates an apparently empty aliases.dir
> file. How do I create the aliases.db file

The postalias command will create the alias database files in
different formats depending on the postfix $database_type parameter.
Check what yours is set to (if it's not set explicitly, postfix will
use the value in $default_database_type).  If $database_type is dbm,
then you'll get aliases.dir and aliases.pag instead of aliases.db.  If
you are using dbm, you'd want to use dbm:$prefix/data/aliases in
alias_maps instead of hash:$prefix/data/aliases.

- --
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
Put the key of despair into the lock of apathy. Turn the knob of
mediocrity slowly and open the gates of despondency - welcome to a day
in the average office.

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From jeff at lfchosting.com  Mon Apr 19 20:36:06 2004
From: jeff at lfchosting.com (Jeff Fisher)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:36:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] automating aliases for postfix with mysql lookups?
In-Reply-To: <1082383573.4083dcd56a286@mail.flyingmug.com>
References: <1082383573.4083dcd56a286@mail.flyingmug.com>
Message-ID: <40841C16.6040006@lfchosting.com>

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Hash: SHA1

scaryfast at flyingmug.com wrote:
| I am running postfix 2.x and mailman 2.1.  My aliases use postfix
mysql maps
| instead of hashed db files.
|
| Is there a way to get mailman to auto populate the tables for me on list
| creating and deletion.

Write a wrapper to the newlist and rmlist commands that you call instead
of those scripts.

That is what I did with my setup.

Jeff
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From oliver at samera.com.py  Mon Apr 19 23:23:37 2004
From: oliver at samera.com.py (Oliver Schulze L.)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:23:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error:
Message-ID: <40844359.5000806@samera.com.py>

Hi,
I got this error sended to the Mailman mailling list on my site:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 136, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 80, in main
    text += '\n' + pending_requests(mlist)
  File "/var/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 123, in pending_requests
    text = NL.join(pending)
UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)


I have RedHat 9 and Mailman 2.1.1-4
I searched but could not find the reason of the problem.

Thanks
Oliver

-- 
Oliver Schulze L.





From anne at isoc.org  Mon Apr 19 23:39:27 2004
From: anne at isoc.org (Anne Shroeder - Internet Society)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:39:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] One mailing list out of space?  rest are fine?
In-Reply-To: <40844359.5000806@samera.com.py>
Message-ID: 

One of our most visible mailing lists seems to be belly up -- getting
messages

"Insufficient disk space; try again later"

This list is housed on the same server as 50 other lists, which seem to be
working fine.  Any ideas why one list would give a "full" message while the
others don't?

Anne




From sean at 77002.com  Mon Apr 19 23:48:56 2004
From: sean at 77002.com (Sean Carnahan)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:48:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Places I can use mailman
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Are there any recommended hosting places I can use mailman for a lists of
one for 5,000 and another of around 19,000 people?

My present hosting company only allows 1,000 email per hour.

Any suggested places to go to host my lists?





From oliver at samera.com.py  Mon Apr 19 23:53:51 2004
From: oliver at samera.com.py (Oliver Schulze L.)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:53:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error:
In-Reply-To: <40844359.5000806@samera.com.py>
References: <40844359.5000806@samera.com.py>
Message-ID: <40844A6F.2070202@samera.com.py>

Applied this patch and it solved my problems:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=683833&group_id=103&atid=100103

Thanks
Oliver

Oliver Schulze L. wrote:

> Hi,
> I got this error sended to the Mailman mailling list on my site:
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/var/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 136, in ?
>    main()
>  File "/var/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 80, in main
>    text += '\n' + pending_requests(mlist)
>  File "/var/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 123, in pending_requests
>    text = NL.join(pending)
> UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)
>
>
> I have RedHat 9 and Mailman 2.1.1-4
> I searched but could not find the reason of the problem.
>
> Thanks
> Oliver
>

-- 
Oliver Schulze L.





From texascritter at ditb.net  Tue Apr 20 00:04:25 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter - mailman-users)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:04:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] One mailing list out of space?  rest are fine?
References: 
Message-ID: <02f201c4265a$50deb020$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Anne Shroeder - Internet Society wrote:

> One of our most visible mailing lists seems to be belly up -- getting
> messages
>
> "Insufficient disk space; try again later"

At what point is this error occurring?  What are you doing when it happens?
Adding list members?  Approving posts?  Receiving posts to the list?

hth,
texas critter

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From dan at erdoc.org  Tue Apr 20 00:20:46 2004
From: dan at erdoc.org (Dan Lemkin)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:20:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment woes
Message-ID: 


Hi,

I set up a few lists recently. I didn't want to bog down my server with
accumulated messages and attachments, so I disabled archiving. People are
sending attachments, but the files are not coming across in the email, they
are apparently getting stored on my server with a link.

A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: application/msword
Size: 27136 bytes
Desc: not available
Url :
http://emresident.net/mailman/private/all_emresident.net/attachments/2004041
9/4a8f0728/attachment.dot

I tried to find the attachments using ssh, and could not find them.

My mailman install is apparently in /var/mailman

Is there some reason why it is not just forwarding the attachments directly
to the sender? Can this option be set?

Where are these attachments being stored, and can I manually delete them?

Thanks
dan




From relson at osagesoftware.com  Tue Apr 20 00:55:55 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:55:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix+mailman, part 2
In-Reply-To: <43928.195.212.28.100.1082385267.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
References: <20040415083525.568998a9@osage.osagesoftware.com>
	<19505.195.212.28.100.1082079069.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
	<20040416075521.08a39085@osage.osagesoftware.com>
	<43928.195.212.28.100.1082385267.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
Message-ID: <20040419185555.1d66a295@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:04:27 +0530 (IST)
Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote:

> hi,
> 
> As the erros says you should have configured the mailman
> '--with-mail-gid=nogroup' option.
> 
> So go to your extracted tar-ball directory, so "su - mailman" and as a
> user "mailman" say:
> $ ./configure --prefix=/var/lib/mailman --with-var-prefix=/var/mailman
> --with-cgi-gid=nogroup --with-mail-gid=nogroup
> $ make
> $ make install
> 
> This should work.
> 
> May be you installed mailman when logged in as root!
> 
> --yogesh

Greetings All,

Searching the web, I learned that postfix uses the group id of the owner
of file /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db when it runs mailman.  So the
fix was to change that file's permissions to:

 -rw-r-----    1 mailman  mailman     12288 Apr 18 23:49 aliases.db
Thanks to all of you who responded to my query.  Your support is
appreciated.

David



From sidr at sidora.net  Tue Apr 20 03:35:51 2004
From: sidr at sidora.net (Dmitry Sidorov)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:35:51 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman usage with different virtual hosts
Message-ID: <437540088.20040420103551@sidora.net>

Hello mailman users.

I have the following problem. There are several different sites
(virtual hosts) on my server with different administrators. I want to
install mailman and give a posibility of mailing lists creation and
management to these site administrators. In this case I couldn`t store
all of these mailing lists in the same folder like
/usr/local/mailman/lists because if administrator of one site (for ex.
site1.com) created mailing list mylist at site1.com then administrator of
site site2.com couldn`t create a mailing list mylist at site2.com.
Because both of them must be stored in a folder
/usr/local/mailman/lists/mylist.

How can I store mailing lists in different folders for each site, for
example in the home directory of site administrator? Maybe there is
the way to store mailing lists in the folders with more complex names
like /usr/local/mailman/lists/listname at sitename?


The second question is how can I use the different mm_cfg.py config
files for each site to create new mailing lists?
  

Best regards

Dmitry




From darryl at harvey.net.au  Tue Apr 20 04:14:13 2004
From: darryl at harvey.net.au (Darryl Harvey)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:14:13 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding users via email - No confirmation wanted.
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Is there any way for a moderator (or list admin) to add users via an
email that doesn't result in a confirmation email being sent to the
actual user before they are a valid subscriber?



IN version 2.1.1
The options for subscription are;

-----------
What steps are required for subscription?

(Details for subscribe_policy) 
Confirm 
Require approval 
Confirm and approve 
-----------


Is there any option for NO approval (As long as the moderator (or
admin)) is initiating this request ?

We have a closed list (internal company list) that needs to be
populated, we can subscribe them, but we cannot use the web interface),
we need to use the email interface, but we do NOT want/need any
confirmation sent to each user.

Do we have any options??

Thanks
Darryl






From dan at erdoc.org  Tue Apr 20 04:24:15 2004
From: dan at erdoc.org (Dan Lemkin)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:24:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding users via email - No confirmation wanted.
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

In membership - mass subscription you can select to not send a notification
email and subscribe them.

Users can goto the site, and enter their email to get their generated
password emailed.

-dan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Darryl Harvey [mailto:darryl at harvey.net.au] 
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:14 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding users via email - No confirmation wanted.

Is there any way for a moderator (or list admin) to add users via an email
that doesn't result in a confirmation email being sent to the actual user
before they are a valid subscriber?



IN version 2.1.1
The options for subscription are;

-----------
What steps are required for subscription?

(Details for subscribe_policy)
Confirm
Require approval
Confirm and approve
-----------


Is there any option for NO approval (As long as the moderator (or
admin)) is initiating this request ?

We have a closed list (internal company list) that needs to be populated, we
can subscribe them, but we cannot use the web interface), we need to use the
email interface, but we do NOT want/need any confirmation sent to each user.

Do we have any options??

Thanks
Darryl




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From darryl at harvey.net.au  Tue Apr 20 04:31:25 2004
From: darryl at harvey.net.au (Darryl Harvey)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:31:25 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding users via email - No confirmation wanted.
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Thanks, but as I said in the original message, 

I want to do this VIA EMAIL...

Not via the Web interface, We want to have a admin/moderator that just
add/deletes users, but does not have access to alter change anything
else.  Hence the email interface..

Light fingers touch things!!!



So I repeat, can we do this VIA THE EMAIL interface..

Thanks
Darryl


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Dan Lemkin
Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 12:24 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Adding users via email - No confirmation
wanted.

In membership - mass subscription you can select to not send a
notification
email and subscribe them.

Users can goto the site, and enter their email to get their generated
password emailed.

-dan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Darryl Harvey [mailto:darryl at harvey.net.au] 
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:14 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding users via email - No confirmation
wanted.

Is there any way for a moderator (or list admin) to add users via an
email
that doesn't result in a confirmation email being sent to the actual
user
before they are a valid subscriber?



IN version 2.1.1
The options for subscription are;

-----------
What steps are required for subscription?

(Details for subscribe_policy)
Confirm
Require approval
Confirm and approve
-----------


Is there any option for NO approval (As long as the moderator (or
admin)) is initiating this request ?

We have a closed list (internal company list) that needs to be
populated, we
can subscribe them, but we cannot use the web interface), we need to use
the
email interface, but we do NOT want/need any confirmation sent to each
user.

Do we have any options??

Thanks
Darryl




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From rkpn at british-genealogy.com  Tue Apr 20 04:38:49 2004
From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 03:38:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 'Suspicious header' question
In-Reply-To: <20040419144359.GX5727@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
References: <4083B49B.8F2CB0E2@Scioto.Org>
	<20040419144359.GX5727@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: 

In message <20040419144359.GX5727 at psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>, Todd 
 writes
>Allen Richmond wrote:
>> I'm running into a continuous barrage of "suspicious header" messages
>[...]
>> ...and the upstream admin staff have absolutely *no clue* how to
>> eliminate the problem (!!).
>
>grep is their friend. :)
>
>> Any ideas for a solution to this exascerbating problem?
>
>Look at Privacy options -> Spam filters in the admin GUI.  The
>suspicious header message is triggered by a match in the "Hold posts
>with header value matching a specified regexp" section.  Perhaps
>someone has entered a common header there that's causing all your
>messages to get flagged.
>

I have the same problem.... but it happens always with posts from 
certain list members.

Something in their header that Mailman doesn't like... but for the life 
of me, I can't see what might be in there that is "suspicious". It all 
looks quite normal.

Cheers
Rod
-- 
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From texascritter at ditb.net  Tue Apr 20 05:07:59 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter - mailman-users)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:07:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 'Suspicious header' question
References: <4083B49B.8F2CB0E2@Scioto.Org><20040419144359.GX5727@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
	
Message-ID: <050e01c42684$aff7aec0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Rod Neep wrote:

> Something in their header that Mailman doesn't like... but for the life
> of me, I can't see what might be in there that is "suspicious". It all
> looks quite normal.

Post their headers here and we'll take a look?  (xxx out any list addresses
and individual email addresses, of course)

hth,
texas critter

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From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Tue Apr 20 05:39:32 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:39:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is mailman suitable ?
In-Reply-To: <200404181621.07973.thocar@free.fr>
Message-ID: <40843904.17892.17EBFBE@localhost>



From:           	Thomas Carri? 
To:             	mailman-users at python.org
Date sent:      	Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:21:07 +0200
Subject:        	[Mailman-Users] Is mailman suitable ?
Send reply to:  	thocar at free.fr
	
	

> Hi,
> 
> I have a special need for "group of emails" management, I need mailman users 
> help to tell me if mailman matches my needs
> 
> 1) Group definition
> 
> A group is composed of members, if an email is sent to a group, all people 
> from the group receive it
> 

Yes, no problem.

> 2) Subscription policy
> 
> I want an administrator to be the only central person to be able to 
> register/unregister someone in a group
> I have no need for subscription initiated by the user
> 

Yes, no problem - option for it.


> 3) Group composition
> 
> As an administrator I would like to be able to register a user in a group, but 
> I'd like also to put a group in another group
> 

I believe that can be down using the umbrella function.  Seach the 
archives for more info on that.  

> 4) Accessibility policy
> 
> Let's say I have created groups A,B and C
> As an admin I would like to be able to set the 3 following policies
> 
> group A policy : only members of the group A are able to write to group A
> group B policy : only members of the group A are able to write to group B
> group C policy : anyone on the internet can write to group C
> 

I think the only way is to have separate lists.  Someone else correct 
me if I am wrong.


> Thanks for your help
> 
> -- 
> 
> Thomas Carri?
> Identit? GPG : 0285ED14
> 
> http://www.adullact.org/IMG/pdf/doc-157.pdf
> http://www.lebars.org/sec/tcpa-faq.fr.html
> http://www.pimientolinux.com/peru2ms/villanueva_to_ms.html
> http://petition.eurolinux.org/pr/fr/pr17.html
> http://aful.org/publi/articles/gilmore-copy-protection.html
> 
> 
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Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

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From j at ida.interface-business.de  Tue Apr 20 10:04:28 2004
From: j at ida.interface-business.de (Joerg Wunsch)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:04:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.4: archiving nested multipart messages
	trashes structure
Message-ID: <20040420100428.A44618@ida.interface-business.de>

I'm currently evaluating Mailman for managing some closed mailing
lists in our company, and while most of the installation and use works
pretty well, I've been banging my head against a problem with nested
multipart messages.

One of our fellows used to always write his messages as
multipart/signed, consisting of the message itself, plus a detached
GnuPG signature.  In case the message itself has more than a
text/plain part (like, an attached PDF file), it becomes a nested
multipart/mixed message part.

Mailman/pipermail has been trashing that, even though hypermail (that
has been used for the purpose until now) seemingly had no problems in
dissecting the various parts, and offering them as separately
downloadable URLs.  (For other reasons, we don't want to use hypermail
anymore if possible though, so I didn't consider stuffing it as an
external archiver into Mailman in the first place.)

So you won, and made me learn Python :-).  Now after some PDB
sessions, I'm almost convinced that

--- Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py~^IMon Mar 29 12:27:36 2004
+++ Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py^IMon Apr 19 21:22:16 2004
@@ -294,7 +294,7 @@
         # BAW: Martin's original patch suggested we might want to try
         # generalizing to utf-8, and that's probably a good idea (eventually).
         text = []
-        for part in msg.get_payload():
+        for part in msg.walk():
             # All parts should be scrubbed to text/plain by now.
             partctype = part.get_content_type()
             if partctype <> 'text/plain':

is the solution to the problem.  At least, this seems to perfectly
work so far -- but it's already quite late tonight, so I quite now,
will do some more testing by tomorrow.

Any comments on this?
-- 
J"org Wunsch					       Unix support engineer
joerg_wunsch at interface-systems.de        http://www.interface-systems.de/~j/



From parris at isciences.com  Tue Apr 20 15:16:42 2004
From: parris at isciences.com (Thomas M. Parris)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:16:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: changes to
	mailman/var/lists/list/en/custom.html not taking
In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.0.20040416115730.01caeec0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: 

Paul,

Thanks again.  However, private.html appears to be the template for the
login to access private archives.  The login page for the "user options"
page is hard coded in the loginpage subroutine contained in
./Mailman/Cgi/options.py.  It does not appear that this page uses a template
at all.

A python knowledgable person could probably patch this up in an hour.  But,
for me (a hack in many other languages) its out of scope for now.  So, I'll
live with it as is.

-- Tom
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:paul at thcwd.com]
  Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 12:00 PM
  To: Thomas M. Parris
  Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Re: changes to
mailman/var/lists/list/en/custom.html not taking


  On 09:18 AM 4/16/2004, Thomas M. Parris wrote:

    Please ignore my previous message.  I see now that the changes to
    options.html are indeed taking effect.  It is the user login page that
is
    still out of the box.  I guess I have to fix that one globally as there
is
    no list-by-list option for it.

       The login page is "private.html" .  You can copy the template from
/mailman/templates to the /en file of the list and modify as you
like by editing the file.  A restart may or may not be needed, I can't
recall.

  <>< Paul



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue Apr 20 15:31:13 2004
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:31:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Warning being treated like a bounce
Message-ID: <20040420133113.GB18350@allhats.xcski.com>

I have a user on several of my lists whose ISP (echonyc.com) gets its
email from panix.com, and frequently refuses email from panix.com for
hours at a time, which causes Panix to send me these uselss "could not
send email for 4 hours" warnings, which Mailman treats like a bounce.
When this happens several days in a row, like it often does, she gets
removed from the lists, and she doesn't like that, and neither do I.
Panix refuses to stop sending these warnings, echonyc.com refuses to fix
whatever is broken in their mail servers, and she refuses to change to an
ISP that has a clue.  So I was hoping somebody who knows Python could give
me a hint on how to make the bounce processor not treat these warnings as
bounces.

So far I've figured that the place to make the fix is probably in
Mailman/Bouncers/Postfix.py, and I probably want to key off that "THIS IS
A WARNING ONLY" banner or the Will-Retry-Until header, but I don't know
exactly what to do.  Here's a bounce action notification:

----- Forwarded message from mailman at xcski.com -----

Subject: Bounce action notification
From: mailman at xcski.com
To: XXXXXXX-owner at xcski.com
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:36:23 -0400
X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=6.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME 
	autolearn=no version=2.63

This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:

    List:       XXXXXXX
    Member:     XXXXXXX at echonyc.com
    Action:     Subscription disabled.
    Reason:     Excessive or fatal bounces.
    


The triggering bounce notice is attached below.

Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at
mailman at xcski.com.

Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:36:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: MAILER-DAEMON at panix.com (Mail Delivery System)
Subject: Delayed Mail (still being retried)
To: XXXXXXX-bounces at xcski.com

Content-Description: Notification
This is the Postfix program at host l2mail1.panix.com.

####################################################################
# THIS IS A WARNING ONLY.  YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE. #
####################################################################

Your message could not be delivered for 4.0 hours.
It will be retried until it is 5.0 days old.

For further assistance, please send mail to 

			The Postfix program

: connect to echonyc.com[198.67.15.2]: Connection refused

Content-Description: Delivery error report
Reporting-MTA: dns; l2mail1.panix.com
Arrival-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:05:49 -0400 (EDT)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; XXXXXXX at echonyc.com
Action: delayed
Status: 4.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; connect to echonyc.com[198.67.15.2]: Connection
    refused
Will-Retry-Until: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:05:49 -0400 (EDT)

[snip]
----- End forwarded message -----

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I call these twits pseudo-literate.  That is, they can read but won't.
              -- Joe Zeff



From levinej at SLS.LIB.IL.US  Tue Apr 20 17:50:06 2004
From: levinej at SLS.LIB.IL.US (Levine, Jenny)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:50:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List members moderation bit not setting correctly
Message-ID: 

	We're using Mailman 2.1, and via the web interface, I have the "set everyone's moderation bit" checked to be "on" under "additional member tasks" on the membership management page. However, it doesn't actually seem to be set, as messages can get through to the list without being held for approval, and when I change the option to "off," the variable doesn't change on the screen in the browser. The problem only seems to happen with this one list and not others on the same server.
	I'd like to use config_list to manually add the variable, but I can't find what it's called in order to set it in the text file. Does anyone know how to add it from the command line?
	TIA,

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Jenny Levine
Internet Development Specialist
Suburban Library System
125 Tower Dr., Burr Ridge, IL  60527
http://www.sls.lib.il.us/
AIM: cybrarygal
levinej at sls.lib.il.us
+1 (630) 734 5141
 



From jimmy at v2k.ca  Tue Apr 20 17:52:07 2004
From: jimmy at v2k.ca (Jimmy)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:52:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Phantom moderation request
Message-ID: <200404201152.07231.jimmy@v2k.ca>

Hello list,

I have a phantom moderation request.  :)  Every morning at 8:00am one of my 
lists informs me of a message waiting my approval.  But its not there.  I had 
approved this post weeks ago, but every morning the request comes in the 
mail.

I looked all over the net.  I dug into the whole mailman filesystem and for 
the life of me cannot find where this is stored.  (I am sure I will probably 
shoot myself for this once I figure it out)

There is no heldmsg-* in the $MAILMAN/data dir
I have already copied an empty request.db file from another list to this one.
This is a redhat 7.2 system with mailman 2.0.13

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,
Jimmy



From parris at isciences.com  Tue Apr 20 17:55:30 2004
From: parris at isciences.com (Thomas M. Parris)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:55:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another hard coded page in mailman?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.2.0.0.20040416115730.01caeec0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: 

All,

I think I've run into another hardcoded page in mailman.  This time it is
the overview page of listinfo (http://host/mailman/listinfo/).  Last time it
was the login page for the "user options" page (http://host/options/).

Am I missing something here?  The other pages are so nicely templated.  It
seems a shame to hard code these pages.  Is this an oversight in the current
version of mailman that will be fixed?  Are there other hardcoded pages that
I will run accross sometime soon?

I suppose I could hack the code to customize for my purposes ... but then
the next version of mailman comes down the pike and I've lost that work.

I suppose I could also hack at the code to use templates and submit the
patch ..., but that would be months away before I could find the time.  From
the looks of things, a person famimlar with mailman internals could template
these pages fairly quickly.

-- Tom




From texascritter at ditb.net  Tue Apr 20 18:45:57 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter - mailman-users)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:45:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] usenet news <-> mailman gateway config question
References: <31629.161.114.228.150.1082084529.squirrel@www.phmb.biz>
	<1159.161.114.228.150.1082323042.squirrel@www.phmb.biz>
Message-ID: <01b101c426f6$f4f936c0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

peter at phmb.biz wrote:

> Has somebody out there actually got gate_news running properly? If so,
> what goes on in lines 80-85?

I have - at least I'm able to get the newsgroup posts sent to my list and
out to my list members, I'm still working on getting posts to the list to
the newsgroup.

My lines 80-85 have the same thing as yours.  I changed the Mailman cron
job yesterday to remove the comment on the gating news line but it didn't
start really working until 4 am this morning when my cron daemon restarted
automatically (I don't think I restarted it correctly yesterday) and it's
picking up all new posts to the newsgroup right on schedule.

So I am receiving all newsgroup posts at this point, my remaining problem
is getting posts to the list sent to the newsgroup, I need to recheck my
settings and it may be an issue with my newsgroup provider rather than
Mailman.

hth,
texas critter

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From texascritter at ditb.net  Tue Apr 20 19:07:04 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter - mailman-users)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:07:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] usenet news <-> mailman gateway config question
References: <31629.161.114.228.150.1082084529.squirrel@www.phmb.biz><1159.161.114.228.150.1082323042.squirrel@www.phmb.biz>
	<01b101c426f6$f4f936c0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <021e01c426f9$e7c0c920$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

texas critter - mailman-users wrote:

> I have - at least I'm able to get the newsgroup posts sent to my list and
> out to my list members, I'm still working on getting posts to the list to
> the newsgroup.

I spoke too soon, my test post showed up in the newsgroup so it's all
working fine, posts sent to the list are going thru to the newsgroup, posts
to the newsgroups are being received by the list!

(I'm on v2.1.3 thru cPanel.)

hth,
texas critter

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From davidg at goraich.co.uk  Tue Apr 20 20:02:30 2004
From: davidg at goraich.co.uk (david.gordon)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:02:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 1600 messages waiting...
Message-ID: <20040420190230.6291@smtp.goraich.co.uk>

This from my Mailman 2.0.13

>>The EPUKMODS mailing list has 1628 request(s) waiting for
>>your consideration at:

Is there a command line to dump all these, going through the web page is
no fun.

BTW I've looked for the instructions but MM 2.0.13 doesn't appear
available any more.

Does MM 2.1 have a better way of dealing with admin requests?

Thank you.

-- 
david.gordon





From texascritter at ditb.net  Tue Apr 20 20:33:14 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:33:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 1600 messages waiting...
References: <20040420190230.6291@smtp.goraich.co.uk>
Message-ID: <02a201c42705$f1640440$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

david.gordon wrote:

> Does MM 2.1 have a better way of dealing with admin requests?

I can't help with 2.0 but there's this 2.1 workaround in the FAQ:

http://python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.026.htp

hth,
texas critter

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From sean at 77002.com  Tue Apr 20 20:55:34 2004
From: sean at 77002.com (Sean Carnahan)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:55:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAILMAN HOSTING pt 2
In-Reply-To: <90143734.1082454758@w0007fhh30b.palm1.palmone.com>
Message-ID: 


My List is personal list, not for profit,
Any places I can host a NEWSLETTER mailman list that you all could suggest?

The lists are one for 5,000 and another of around 19,000 people?

My present hosting company only allows 1,000 email per hour.




From sean at 77002.com  Tue Apr 20 21:15:59 2004
From: sean at 77002.com (Sean Carnahan)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:15:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAILMAN HOSTING pt 2
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

I typically send out one newsletter 3 times avg a week. 
Peak Hour for email outs are around 12 AM central time or 2 AM central time
or I can work around best times.

Thanks for any assistance.

sean

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Sean Carnahan
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 1:56 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAILMAN HOSTING pt 2


My List is personal list, not for profit, Any places I can host a NEWSLETTER
mailman list that you all could suggest?

The lists are one for 5,000 and another of around 19,000 people?

My present hosting company only allows 1,000 email per hour.

I typically send out email


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From python.org at daveola.com  Tue Apr 20 14:58:06 2004
From: python.org at daveola.com (David Ljung Madison)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:58:06
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List is posting only to itself
Message-ID: 

My list only sends posts back out to it's own posting address (which
it then ignores).

I'm running Debian 3.0 with exim v3.35 and mailman-2.1.4.
I previously had 2.0.11 working from the .deb, but now I'm
compiling from source.

I setup a test list with three recipients and I send a message,
it goes through the whole process including getting added to
the archives, but when it gets sent back out it sends it to
the list posting address, which ignores it when it sees the
message again.

Please help - I've spent hours searching the net and reconfiguring
trying to figure this out, but nothing helps - I'd really love to
use mailman instead of some other package, but I can't keep wasting
time on this.

Dave

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From peter at phmb.biz  Wed Apr 21 00:11:24 2004
From: peter at phmb.biz (peter at phmb.biz)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:11:24 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] usenet news <-> mailman gateway config question
In-Reply-To: <021e01c426f9$e7c0c920$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
References: <31629.161.114.228.150.1082084529.squirrel@www.phmb.biz><1159.161.114.
	228.150.1082323042.squirrel@www.phmb.biz><01b101c426f6$f4f936c0$6401a8
	c0@houston.rr.com> <021e01c426f9$e7c0c920$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <19345.161.114.228.150.1082499084.squirrel@www.phmb.biz>

> texas critter - mailman-users wrote:
>
>> I have - at least I'm able to get the newsgroup posts sent to my list
>> and
>> out to my list members, I'm still working on getting posts to the list
>> to
>> the newsgroup.
>
> I spoke too soon, my test post showed up in the newsgroup so it's all
> working fine, posts sent to the list are going thru to the newsgroup,
> posts
> to the newsgroups are being received by the list!
>
> (I'm on v2.1.3 thru cPanel.)
>
That is excellent news - thank you for letting me know!

Just one question: Where do you run gate_news?

My ISP has copied gate_news to /etc/cron.hourly so that cron can run it
each hour. There are no errors in the cron logs, no output at all,
actually, which should be good news. However it is not picking up messages
from the newsgroup - I haven't had it pick up one yet.

I'm hoping that the global python parameters are set so that it can pick
up the correct home directory - I'd have expected errors if it didn't.

My thought had been to provide a wrapper to put in /etc/cron.hourly that
cd's to the mailman home directory and runs gate_news from there. Is that
likely to help?





From texascritter at ditb.net  Wed Apr 21 01:26:07 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter - mailman-users)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:26:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] usenet news <-> mailman gateway config question
References: <31629.161.114.228.150.1082084529.squirrel@www.phmb.biz><1159.161.114.228.150.1082323042.squirrel@www.phmb.biz><01b101c426f6$f4f936c0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<021e01c426f9$e7c0c920$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<19345.161.114.228.150.1082499084.squirrel@www.phmb.biz>
Message-ID: <03f201c4272e$dbd58940$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

peter at phmb.biz wrote:

> That is excellent news - thank you for letting me know!

You're welcome!

> Just one question: Where do you run gate_news?

It's in the mailman cron job, the line was originally commented out, I
uncommented it and when the cron daemon restarted at 4 am, it started
working.

# Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
# if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
# or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * *
/usr/bin/python2 -S /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cron/gate_news

(those last two lines are one line in the cron job file, my email program
wraps it and your paths to python and gate_news will most likely be
different)

> My ISP has copied gate_news to /etc/cron.hourly so that cron can run it
> each hour. There are no errors in the cron logs, no output at all,
> actually, which should be good news. However it is not picking up
> messages from the newsgroup - I haven't had it pick up one yet.

Ask them to look in the mailman cron job that runs the daily digests and
pending admin item notices - it's originally in this:

(serverpathto)/mailman/cron/crontab.in

and the setup for Mailman includes installing that to the server's cron job
folder as "mailman".  See #13 at this url:

http://www.kurtwerks.com/software/mailman.html

> I'm hoping that the global python parameters are set so that it can pick
> up the correct home directory - I'd have expected errors if it didn't.

That's probably your problem, it may not be picking up the directory, you
may need the full path to python and to gate_news too.  The mailman cron
job has the full path to both things.

hth,
texas critter

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From texascritter at ditb.net  Wed Apr 21 01:46:14 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter - mailman-users)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:46:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAILMAN HOSTING pt 2
References: 
Message-ID: <041201c42731$ab16dea0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Sean Carnahan wrote:

> The lists are one for 5,000 and another of around 19,000 people?
>
> My present hosting company only allows 1,000 email per hour.

For lists of these sizes, you're probably going to need to use a
professional list host.  If you google on "email list host" or similar
phrases, you'll find lots of them.  Some use Mailman, some use Lyris (which
is a much nicer program for handling large announcement lists).

Webhosting companies that include Mailman in their hosting plans mainly
intend for it to be used for smaller lists and their servers really aren't
set up to handle any serious volume, because they're mainly for webhosting,
not list hosting.

If you do go with a webhost that offers Mailman, I suggest looking for one
that has a semi-dedicated server plan, where they put a limited number of
customers on a server, usually 10-20 customers, you'll pay more but the
server will be better equipped to handle your volume.  Regular shared
virtual hosting servers can have literally hundreds of customers and the
servers get overloaded very easily.

Talk to webhosts, show them your list content, talk about your volume,
about how your list members joined (all confirmed opt-in?).  If you're
upfront with your needs and your list is clean, not spammy, it'll be easier
to find a good host for your lists.

hth,
texas critter

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From mibcons at telusplanet.net  Wed Apr 21 02:03:15 2004
From: mibcons at telusplanet.net (Michel Buitendyk)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:03:15 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT Thanks
References: 
	<041201c42731$ab16dea0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <017f01c42734$125109e0$40ceb8a1@mshome.net>

Hi Texas Critter,

I have been reading and learning about Mailman and much what I read is Greek
to me (I'm Dutch Canadian )

I just wanted to say that I appreciate your answers on this forum/list.

You're very helpful for many people and I thought I let you know.

Michel

----- Original Message -----
From: "texas critter - mailman-users" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] MAILMAN HOSTING pt 2


> Sean Carnahan wrote:
>
> > The lists are one for 5,000 and another of around 19,000 people?
> >
> > My present hosting company only allows 1,000 email per hour.
>
> For lists of these sizes, you're probably going to need to use a
> professional list host.  If you google on "email list host" or similar
> phrases, you'll find lots of them.  Some use Mailman, some use Lyris
(which
> is a much nicer program for handling large announcement lists).
>
> Webhosting companies that include Mailman in their hosting plans mainly
> intend for it to be used for smaller lists and their servers really aren't
> set up to handle any serious volume, because they're mainly for
webhosting,
> not list hosting.
>
> If you do go with a webhost that offers Mailman, I suggest looking for one
> that has a semi-dedicated server plan, where they put a limited number of
> customers on a server, usually 10-20 customers, you'll pay more but the
> server will be better equipped to handle your volume.  Regular shared
> virtual hosting servers can have literally hundreds of customers and the
> servers get overloaded very easily.
>
> Talk to webhosts, show them your list content, talk about your volume,
> about how your list members joined (all confirmed opt-in?).  If you're
> upfront with your needs and your list is clean, not spammy, it'll be
easier
> to find a good host for your lists.
>
> hth,
> texas critter
>
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From texascritter at ditb.net  Wed Apr 21 02:13:29 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter - mailman-users)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:13:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Listowners list down?
References: 
	<041201c42731$ab16dea0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <006e01c42735$79c4b120$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Does anyone know what happened to the List Owners list at listowner.org?
The last post I got was on April 1st and the domain has been unreachable
since then too.

hth,
texas critter

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From python.org at daveola.com  Tue Apr 20 17:53:32 2004
From: python.org at daveola.com (David Ljung Madison)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:53:32
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List is posting only to itself (debian, exim,
	mailman 2.1.4)
Message-ID: 

I think the problem is due to how I route mail.

So, let's say I have a list at foo at bar.com

I mail foo at bar.com which has two members, you and I.

When my mailing list mails both of us, it mails it with:

  To: foo at bar.com

Problem is, this comes back to my mail server which thinks
it's a posting to the mailing list and sends it to the wrapper,
so I never see it.

I just changed my mail filter so that it sends on the normal
mailing addresses *except* for mail from list-bounces.
I suppose I could also change it to watch for any of the
mailing list headers..

Seems a bit kludgy, does anyone have a better solution?  And
how do other mail filters handle this?


Dave

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From the_musiic_man at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 21 05:10:15 2004
From: the_musiic_man at yahoo.com (Music Man)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:10:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Link to Archives Not Working Properly
Message-ID: <20040421031015.65503.qmail@web40705.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello everyone,

I just got a new server set up for me with cpanel/whm,
etc.  

I set up a new site and turned on mailman and set up a
test list.

Everything seems to work (right now), with the
exception of one thing:

Anywhere the link to the List Archives appears
(whether on the subscriber page, or in the admin), it
doesn't link to the proper place, but the link looks
like this:

http://localhost.localdomain/pipermail/

and then continues on with the name of the list (which
I left out of this email)

Any clue why that one link won't appear properly?

Thanks in advance for your help!!!

Chris :)


	
		
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From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Wed Apr 21 10:18:21 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:18:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cpanel is trying to work on a couple of Mailman
	Issues - but We Need Help
Message-ID: <4085CBDD.3941.AB4062@localhost>

We have the senior programmer at Cpanel trying to solve a couple 
of issues, 
*   that no uncaught bounces exist with lists with over 20,000 
    (obviously wrong) with personalization on.
*   That Challenge/Verfiies disappear with personalization on, etc.

The problem is, they say that do not have access to a Mailman 
install without Cpanel.  If someone is willing to help us out with a 
non-Cpanel install on Mailman - so they can see how it is supposed 
to work, please let me know so that I can converse with them.

(Also, if there are any other glaring issues - maybe they can look at 
them at the same time - but no promises.)


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
inconvenienced.




From deepakr at students.iiit.net  Wed Apr 21 11:26:11 2004
From: deepakr at students.iiit.net (Rajasekaran Deepak)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:56:11 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to get "List creator's password" from root?
Message-ID: <20040421092611.GA15282@students.iiit.net>

Newbie question: I am not able to locate the admin who maintains Mailman on
the server. I need to create a new list. How do I get a "List creator's
(authentication) password" for use in 
from the root login?



From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Apr 21 12:23:54 2004
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:23:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to get "List creator's password" from root?
In-Reply-To: <20040421092611.GA15282@students.iiit.net>
References: <20040421092611.GA15282@students.iiit.net>
Message-ID: 


On 21 Apr 2004, at 10:26, Rajasekaran Deepak wrote:

> Newbie question: I am not able to locate the admin who maintains 
> Mailman on
> the server. I need to create a new list. How do I get a "List creator's
> (authentication) password" for use in 
> 
> from the root login?

In common with many UNIX passwords, you cannot retrieve site admin, 
list creator or list administrator passwords, even as superuser, 
because they are stored in an encrypted form.

You can however reset them to a given value. In the case of site admin 
and list creator passwords you need to run the $prefix/bin/mmsitepass 
script; run it with the -h option to get its usage.




From mailman-users at think.co.za  Wed Apr 21 12:58:36 2004
From: mailman-users at think.co.za (mailman-users at think.co.za)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:58:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding users via email - No confirmation wanted.
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <009f01c4278f$9a224400$0500a8c0@hjr>

-----Original Message-----
From: Darryl Harvey

Is there any way for a moderator (or list admin) to add
users via an email that doesn't result in a confirmation
email being sent to the actual user before they are a valid
subscriber?

Is there any option for NO approval (As long as the
moderator (or
admin)) is initiating this request ?

We have a closed list (internal company list) that needs to
be populated, we can subscribe them, but we cannot use the
web interface), we need to use the email interface, but we
do NOT want/need any confirmation sent to each user.

-----------------------------

I see no answer via the list, so here goes.

If you're using 2.1.4, then do this...

First step should be to get your administrator to fiddle
with mm_cfg.py and set 'ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = Yes' and then
'DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 0'.

Then set the 'subscribe_policy' to 'none'.

Then send a message to the list with these details
To: listname-request at yourdomain.com
Body: subscribe requiredpassword
address=newuser at yourdomain.com

You'll get a whole bunch of confirmation mails, so just set
a rule to delete them. I'm not sure how to turn this
'feature' off.

If it's a once off, then go for it, but change back
afterwards.

Cheers
Hilton




From darryl at harvey.net.au  Wed Apr 21 14:34:56 2004
From: darryl at harvey.net.au (Darryl Harvey)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:34:56 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding users via email - No confirmation wanted.
In-Reply-To: <009f01c4278f$9a224400$0500a8c0@hjr>
References: 
	<009f01c4278f$9a224400$0500a8c0@hjr>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040421223220.0244b2b8@cascade.off.ournet.com.au>

Sounds ok, but.

It's not a once off, it's an ongoing thing.
They confirmation emails will cause havoc to our 500+ staff that will 
receive them, we don't want them to get ANY email about the list.

Getting closer, surely there must be some way to do it.

If you can do it via the web interface, why not via the email interface??


Any Mailman developers monitor this list ??

Darryl



At 06:31 AM 22/04/2004, mailman-users at think.co.za wrote:
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Darryl Harvey
>
>Is there any way for a moderator (or list admin) to add
>users via an email that doesn't result in a confirmation
>email being sent to the actual user before they are a valid
>subscriber?
>
>Is there any option for NO approval (As long as the
>moderator (or
>admin)) is initiating this request ?
>
>We have a closed list (internal company list) that needs to
>be populated, we can subscribe them, but we cannot use the
>web interface), we need to use the email interface, but we
>do NOT want/need any confirmation sent to each user.
>
>-----------------------------
>
>I see no answer via the list, so here goes.
>
>If you're using 2.1.4, then do this...
>
>First step should be to get your administrator to fiddle
>with mm_cfg.py and set 'ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = Yes' and then
>'DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 0'.
>
>Then set the 'subscribe_policy' to 'none'.
>
>Then send a message to the list with these details
>To: listname-request at yourdomain.com
>Body: subscribe requiredpassword
>address=newuser at yourdomain.com
>
>You'll get a whole bunch of confirmation mails, so just set
>a rule to delete them. I'm not sure how to turn this
>'feature' off.
>
>If it's a once off, then go for it, but change back
>afterwards.
>
>Cheers
>Hilton
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From scott at 4th.com  Wed Apr 21 15:53:19 2004
From: scott at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:53:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding users via email - No confirmation wanted.
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040421223220.0244b2b8@cascade.off.ournet.com.au>
References: 
	<009f01c4278f$9a224400$0500a8c0@hjr>
	<6.0.3.0.2.20040421223220.0244b2b8@cascade.off.ournet.com.au>
Message-ID: <200404210953.19288.scott@4th.com>

On Wednesday 21 April 2004 08:34, Darryl Harvey wrote:
> Sounds ok, but.
>
> It's not a once off, it's an ongoing thing.
> They confirmation emails will cause havoc to our 500+ staff that will
> receive them, we don't want them to get ANY email about the list.
>
> Getting closer, surely there must be some way to do it.

If you can produce a one-per-line text listing of all the email addresses
that need to be subscribed, e.g.:

joe_smith at harvey.net.au
carol_jones at harvey.net.au
darryl at harvey.net.au
[...et cetera...]

then you could do this from a simple command line. Take a look at the
$prefix/bin/add_members command, with options similar to these:

$prefix/bin/add_members --regular-members-file= \
      --welcome-msg=n   --admin-notify=n   

(Run add_members with "--help" to get a full syntax help display.)

I haven't tested this on my system, but according to the documentation this
should subscribe the people listed in the file, with no confirmation messages.

Try it on a short list of just a couple of users first, to make sure it
behaves as you wish it to.

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
scott at 4th.com          | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://4th.com/        | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)
                       | PGP Public Key at http://4th.com/keys/courtney.pubkey




From tpf at canes.gsw.edu  Wed Apr 21 16:24:19 2004
From: tpf at canes.gsw.edu (Tim Faircloth)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:24:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding users via email - No confirmation wanted.
In-Reply-To: <200404210953.19288.scott@4th.com>
References: 
	<009f01c4278f$9a224400$0500a8c0@hjr>
	<6.0.3.0.2.20040421223220.0244b2b8@cascade.off.ournet.com.au>
	<200404210953.19288.scott@4th.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20040421101159.0257ff70@canes.gsw.edu>

At 09:53 AM 4/21/2004, you wrote:
>If you can produce a one-per-line text listing of all the email addresses
>that need to be subscribed, e.g.:
>
>joe_smith at harvey.net.au
>carol_jones at harvey.net.au
>darryl at harvey.net.au
>[...et cetera...]
>
>then you could do this from a simple command line. Take a look at the
>$prefix/bin/add_members command, with options similar to these:
>
>$prefix/bin/add_members --regular-members-file= \
>       --welcome-msg=n   --admin-notify=n   
>
>(Run add_members with "--help" to get a full syntax help display.)
>
>I haven't tested this on my system, but according to the documentation this
>should subscribe the people listed in the file, with no confirmation messages.
>
>Try it on a short list of just a couple of users first, to make sure it
>behaves as you wish it to.

It's possible to write a perl script to parse an email and run 
add_members... then set up an account on the server that is allowed to run 
the script under sudo with no password... then have his .forward file 
contain the line "| sudo scriptname".  Honestly it sounds like a hackish 
way of doing it, but it could work.  The line you add using the "visudo" 
command would look something like this:

      ALL=NOPASSWD: /absolute/path/to/script

Just a thought.  If you're better with python or shell scripting, it 
doesn't *have* to be a perl script.

That setup would allow for adding via email without allowing a root ssh 
shell to your list administrator.  The script could also be modified to 
remove members as well, but it would change the format of the input to 
something like this (if you're good, you could add several users and remove 
users in the same email):

add 
add 
remove 
remove 

/tim
-- 
Tim Faircloth, System Administrator
GSW OIIT
Office: (229) 931-5076	Beeper: (229) 928-1458




From brianmaull at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 21 16:44:32 2004
From: brianmaull at yahoo.com (Brian Maull)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 07:44:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User passwords
Message-ID: <20040421144432.30772.qmail@web61305.mail.yahoo.com>

Is there a quick and easy way to force mailman to send
out a password reminder to everyone on the list right
now?
Thanks,
Brian


	
		
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From jswift at alberni.net  Wed Apr 21 16:55:23 2004
From: jswift at alberni.net (Jim Swift)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 07:55:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cpanel is trying to work on a couple of
	MailmanIssues - but We Need Help
In-Reply-To: <4085CBDD.3941.AB4062@localhost>
Message-ID: <002a01c427b0$acc956e0$1400a8c0@oston>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org 
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Lloyd 
> F. Tennison
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:18 AM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Cc: mailman-developers at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cpanel is trying to work on a couple 
> of MailmanIssues - but We Need Help
> 
> (Also, if there are any other glaring issues - maybe they can look
at 
> them at the same time - but no promises.)
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Lloyd F. Tennison
> lloyd_tennison at whoever.com
> 

In cpanel, the welcome message for a list is added to a standard
welcome message that is uneditable in the cpanel installation. 

PLEASE can we have a method of editing the entire welcome message, not
just the list specific part. Or failing that, let us know the location
of the "fixed" part of the welcome message. 

Jim Swift
Alberni Valley community list server




From justin at jalcorn.net  Wed Apr 21 16:55:42 2004
From: justin at jalcorn.net (Justin Alcorn)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:55:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User passwords
In-Reply-To: <20040421144432.30772.qmail@web61305.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040421144432.30772.qmail@web61305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42313.208.51.9.121.1082559342.squirrel@jalcorn.net>

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Brian Maull said:
> Is there a quick and easy way to force mailman to send
> out a password reminder to everyone on the list right
> now?
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
Sure.  mailing out passwords is a croin job:

# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds

just run that as mailman.

- --
The universe is ruled by letting things take their course. It cannot be
ruled by interfering. -- Chinese proverb
JaBbA's hut: http://jalcorn.net

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From tpf at canes.gsw.edu  Wed Apr 21 17:02:45 2004
From: tpf at canes.gsw.edu (Tim Faircloth)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:02:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding users via email - No confirmation wanted.
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.1.20040421101159.0257ff70@canes.gsw.edu>
References: 
	<009f01c4278f$9a224400$0500a8c0@hjr>
	<6.0.3.0.2.20040421223220.0244b2b8@cascade.off.ournet.com.au>
	<200404210953.19288.scott@4th.com>
	<6.0.0.22.1.20040421101159.0257ff70@canes.gsw.edu>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20040421105550.02595808@canes.gsw.edu>

At 10:24 AM 4/21/2004, you wrote:
>It's possible to write a perl script to parse an email and run 
>add_members... then set up an account on the server that is allowed to run 
>the script under sudo with no password... then have his .forward file 
>contain the line "| sudo scriptname".  Honestly it sounds like a hackish 
>way of doing it, but it could work.

Here's a sample script that I've whipped up quickly.  It's probably full of 
bugs and it's untested, but here it is.  I've added the capability to add 
regular users and digest users, as well as the ability to remove users from 
a list.

Assuming the moderator wanted to add joeuser at domain.com as a digest, 
joebuddy at domain.com as a regular, and remove nachobuddy at domain.com, the 
body of the email would look like this:

digest joeuser at domain.com
regular joebuddy at domain.com
remove nachobuddy at domain.com

----- begin script -----
#!/bin/perl

$listname="listnamehere";

$addscript="/usr/local/mailman/bin/add_members";
$addargs="-w n -a n";
$addregtempfile="/tmp/regulartemp";
$adddigtempfile="/tmp/digesttemp";

$remscript="/usr/local/mailman/bin/remove_members";
$remargs="-nN";

until( =~ /^$/) {
         # Do nothing... this loop throws away headers
}

# Remove one more line... the blank line between
# mail headers and body
$nothing = ;

# add_members requires that email addresses be put in a file:
# one for regular subscriptions, one for digest subscriptions:
open(REGULAR, ">$addregtemp") || die "can't create tempfile regulartemp\n";
open(DIGEST, ">$adddigtemp") || die "can't create tempfile digesttemp\n";

# remove_members allows putting email addresses on the command line,
# so we can put all those email addresses in an array
@removals=();

while() {
         if($_ =~ /^digest /) {
                 s/^digest //;
                 print DIGEST $_;
         } elsif ($_ =~ /^regular /) {
                 s/^regular //;
                 print REGULAR $_;
         } elsif ($_ =~ /^remove /) {
                 s/^remove //;
                 chomp;
                 push(@removals);
         } else {
                 print STDERR "invalid command";
         }
}

close DIGEST;
close REGULAR;

# run the scripts using the info provided
system "$addscript $addargs -r $addregtemp -d $adddigtemp $listname";
system "$remscript $remargs $listname @removals";

# remove temp files
unlink $adddigtemp;
unlink $addregtemp;
----- end script -----

/tim
-- 
Tim Faircloth, System Administrator
GSW OIIT
Office: (229) 931-5076	Beeper: (229) 928-1458




From texascritter at ditb.net  Wed Apr 21 17:12:25 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter - mailman-users)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:12:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cpanel is trying to work on a couple of
	MailmanIssues - but We Need Help
References: <4085CBDD.3941.AB4062@localhost>
Message-ID: <013a01c427b3$0e550a60$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Lloyd F. Tennison wrote:

> (Also, if there are any other glaring issues - maybe they can look at
> them at the same time - but no promises.)

Yes!  Whenever cPanel updates, it wipes out the mailman cron job, ask them
to please stop doing that or set the cPanel update to reinstall the cron
job at the end of the update process.

texas critter (who had to reinstall the cron job *again* this morning after
R24 was released last night)

--
EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/





From drjones at vii.com  Wed Apr 21 18:21:18 2004
From: drjones at vii.com (Dr. Jones)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:21:18 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] remote access of mailman administration
Message-ID: <40869F7E.6000607@vii.com>

I can work with my various mail lists when I am at my office, at my mail 
server machine. However, if I am away, it seems almost impossible for me 
to connect.

I have tried to enter my IP address, i.e., 
http://x.x.x.x/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/listname. That does NOT work...so I 
try http://scott.sanchiro.com/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/listname, etc...or 
just http://sanchir.com/etc/etc/etc.... none of this works though...

I have a friend who helps and he says he can connect and open a browser 
window into the web based admin screens....

Anything i am missing here on how to remotely access my lists?

Scott

-- 
Dr. Scott S. Jones
Hands-On Chiropractic 
IRC: irc.freenode.net #utah
Yahoo: sanchiro12





From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Apr 21 18:44:16 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:44:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] remote access of mailman administration
In-Reply-To: <40869F7E.6000607@vii.com>
References: <40869F7E.6000607@vii.com>
Message-ID: <20040421164416.GD5727@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Dr. Jones wrote:
> I can work with my various mail lists when I am at my office, at my mail 
> server machine. However, if I am away, it seems almost impossible for me 
> to connect.
>
> I have tried to enter my IP address, i.e., 
> http://x.x.x.x/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/listname. That does NOT work...so I 
> try http://scott.sanchiro.com/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/listname, etc...or 
> just http://sanchir.com/etc/etc/etc.... none of this works though...
>
> I have a friend who helps and he says he can connect and open a browser 
> window into the web based admin screens....

I can get to the list admin overview page via
http://sanchiro.com/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/, however trying to go to
either of the 2 lists (Mailman and Patients) gives an error because
the link is to the host scott.sanchiro.com which does not exist.  Your
lists seem configured to use scott.sanchiro.com as the URL but you or
your webhost have not created that hostname in the sanchiro.com
domain.  Either add that hostname or use the fix_url.py script to
change the lists URL to a fully qualified domain name that exists.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
Those who have been intoxicated with power... can never willingly
abandon it.
    -- Edmund Burke

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From hilton at think.co.za  Mon Apr 19 18:45:01 2004
From: hilton at think.co.za (Hilton J Ralphs (THiNK))
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:45:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is mailman suitable ?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.1.20040419103127.025acfa8@canes.gsw.edu>
Message-ID: <00a201c4262d$a8bc6800$0500a8c0@hjr>

You're right Tim, there's an option under "General posting
filters" where you can allow 'the whole world' to post
unrestricted.

Thanks
Cheers
Hilton

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Tim
Faircloth

At 04:40 PM 4/18/2004, you wrote:
>Quoting Thomas Carri? :
> > group C policy : anyone on the internet can write to
group C
>- yes but they would have to subscribe

not neccessarily.  there's an option under Subscription
rules/sender 
filters about what to do with non-member posts... "allow",
"hold", 
"reject", "discard"

/tim
-- 




From ho_yuan at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 20 01:41:47 2004
From: ho_yuan at hotmail.com (Yuan Ho)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:41:47 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is it possible create 1000 lists on the fly?
Message-ID: 

hello, i wonder if it's posible to create 1000 mailing lists without make 
any script or something like that?

i mean, create 1000 on the fly, based on a file that contains mailing list 
name, and admin e-mail for each mailing list... and maybe password...

if it's possible.. how may i do it?

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From jonathan at pro-rec.com  Wed Apr 21 00:00:46 2004
From: jonathan at pro-rec.com (Jonathan Erbe)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:00:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing the "Confirm Subscription Request" Page
Message-ID: <2D09928D-9316-11D8-93B3-000393D5652E@pro-rec.com>

Anyone know how to edit the "Confirm Subscription Request" page and 
other public pages not listed under the "edit public pages" section?
Thanks,
Jonathan




From andreaviel at comcast.net  Wed Apr 21 02:09:14 2004
From: andreaviel at comcast.net (Andrea Viel)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:09:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can a Public High School Use Mailman?
Message-ID: <000001c42734$e15ede10$55660418@D15CXX11>

Hi:

 

I'm a mom who is in charge of sending our high schools newsletters every
week.  We have almost 700 addresses on our list.  I had previously used
WorldMerge to send our newsletters, but after trouble with SBC DSL, I
switched to Comcast, which limits my transmissions to 10 at a time.  Of
course, this won't work for us.

 

I was exposed to Mailman, because I also manage the Oakland Strokes mail.
We certainly could load the email addresses we've collected manually.

 

As I don't really know much about websites, can you please explain what we
need to use Mailman.  Can our school district website link up or create a
mailman account?  Please explain how Mailman is set up in very simple terms!

 

Andrea Viel, "Mailmom" for Piedmont High School, Piedmont, CA

(510) 654-1702

 



From hilton at think.co.za  Wed Apr 21 11:19:29 2004
From: hilton at think.co.za (Hilton J Ralphs (THiNK))
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:19:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding users via email - No confirmation wanted.
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <009401c42781$bff22b40$0500a8c0@hjr>

-----Original Message-----
From: Darryl Harvey

Is there any way for a moderator (or list admin) to add
users via an email that doesn't result in a confirmation
email being sent to the actual user before they are a valid
subscriber?

Is there any option for NO approval (As long as the
moderator (or
admin)) is initiating this request ?

We have a closed list (internal company list) that needs to
be populated, we can subscribe them, but we cannot use the
web interface), we need to use the email interface, but we
do NOT want/need any confirmation sent to each user.

-----------------------------

I see no answer via the list, so here goes.

If you're using 2.1.4, then do this...

First step should be to get your administrator to fiddle
with mm_cfg.py and set 'ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = Yes' and then
'DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 0'.

Then set the 'subscribe_policy' to 'none'.

Then send a message to the list with these details
To: listname-request at yourdomain.com
Body: subscribe requiredpassword
address=newuser at yourdomain.com

You'll get a whole bunch of confirmation mails, so just set
a rule to delete them. I'm not sure how to turn this
'feature' off.

If it's a once off, then go for it, but change back
afterwards.

Cheers
Hilton




From michaelcaughill at third-person.net  Wed Apr 21 18:25:06 2004
From: michaelcaughill at third-person.net (Michael Caughill)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:25:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can mailman be configured to use a mysql database
	as its source?
Message-ID: <72FE81A4-93B0-11D8-A5D6-000393C7A0A6@third-person.net>

The subject says it all.

Thanks.


Michael



Michael Caughill
President
Third Person, Inc.
205 West Highland Avenue, Suite 308
Milwaukee, WI  53203
P: 414.221.9810
F: 414.221.9812




From wanda at logoi.org  Mon Apr 19 20:12:34 2004
From: wanda at logoi.org (Wanda Clark Araujo)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:12:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions
Message-ID: 

We?re in the process of setting up with hostway.  They?ve recommended
Mailman.

We?d like an email marketing software to allows us to create
professional-looking, colorful HTML email newsletters, to manage email lists
(so we can upload our data lists, target or segment portions of it and
personalize), to track for receipts, opening and click thrus and to work
within our Windows-based environment.

I am unsure if the capabilities described above are offered.  Can you
address this question please?

Regards,
Wanda

Wanda Clark Araujo
Concert Coordinator
"...making LOGOI famous"
* 305.232.5880
http://www.logoi.org/ 



From h.martin at lecolededesign.com  Tue Apr 20 11:12:54 2004
From: h.martin at lecolededesign.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Herv=E9_MARTIN?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:12:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using sendmail
Message-ID: 

Hello,

I've read http://www.afp548.com/Articles/mail/python-mailman.html and 
find it very clear but i'm using default Mac OS X MTA (ie Sendmail)
So what is the equivalent for Sendmail of :
---------------------------------------------------------------
As super-user, change to the /etc/postfix/ directory.
Using a command-line editor ( emacs ,vi ,etc. ), edit the main.cf file.
Find the alias_maps line.
Append a comma to the end of the line, followed by a space and the text 
hash:/Users/mailman/data/aliases
Note: if necessary, the hash:/Users/mailman/data/aliases text can 
appear on a line by itself, so long as the text is preceded by 
whitespace.
Execute the postfix reload command.
------------------------------------------------

Thanks

Herv? MARTIN

From ptomblin at xcski.com  Wed Apr 21 19:28:33 2004
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:28:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using sendmail
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20040421172833.GA4236@allhats.xcski.com>

Quoting Herv? MARTIN (h.martin at lecolededesign.com):
> I've read http://www.afp548.com/Articles/mail/python-mailman.html and 
> find it very clear but i'm using default Mac OS X MTA (ie Sendmail)
> So what is the equivalent for Sendmail of :

sendmail hasn't been the default Mac OS X MTA for a couple of releases
now.  I think Apple switched to Postfix around 10.1 or 10.2.

-- 
Paul Tomblin  http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Every program has two purposes -- one for which it was written and
another for which it wasn't.



From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Wed Apr 21 19:32:49 2004
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:32:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using sendmail
In-Reply-To: <20040421172833.GA4236@allhats.xcski.com>
References: 
	<20040421172833.GA4236@allhats.xcski.com>
Message-ID: 


On Apr 21, 2004, at 12:28 PM, Paul Tomblin wrote:
> Quoting Herv? MARTIN (h.martin at lecolededesign.com):
>> I've read http://www.afp548.com/Articles/mail/python-mailman.html and
>> find it very clear but i'm using default Mac OS X MTA (ie Sendmail)
>> So what is the equivalent for Sendmail of :
>
> sendmail hasn't been the default Mac OS X MTA for a couple of releases
> now.  I think Apple switched to Postfix around 10.1 or 10.2.
>


The switch to Postfix was with 10.3.

Dan




From mailman-users at think.co.za  Wed Apr 21 15:31:50 2004
From: mailman-users at think.co.za (mailman-users at think.co.za)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:31:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding users via email - No confirmation wanted.
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040421223220.0244b2b8@cascade.off.ournet.com.au>
Message-ID: <001101c427a5$0139aa60$0500a8c0@hjr>

-----Original Message-----
From: Darryl Harvey
It's not a once off, it's an ongoing thing.
They confirmation emails will cause havoc to our 500+ staff
that will 
receive them, we don't want them to get ANY email about the
list.

------------------------------
No problem if it's an ongoing thing, as long as no-one
outside your network has access. In other words, you don't
want any tom, dick or harry subscribing without your
knowledge.

The way I suggested, the users will not receive the
confirmation messages, they wont even know that they're
subscribed. Unfortunately I don't know about the
confirmation emails to YOU.

Cheers
Hilton




From colles at aanet.org  Wed Apr 21 22:51:12 2004
From: colles at aanet.org (Sean Collen)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:51:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment Issues
Message-ID: <9FC38C98-93D5-11D8-B1D0-000393853230@aanet.org>

Hi,
	I have been using Mailman for quite a while now. I am currently  
running version 2.1.4. I have checked the mailing lists and FAQS, and I  
am unable to find anyone with the issue I am having, less I am  
searching incorrectly.

	The issue I am having is that messages content are getting posted to  
the archives as attachments. The contact getting scrubbed is plain  
text. I have narrowed down one of the causes but cannot find a fix,  
explained below. Any help would be appreciated.


I have some cgi scripts on an internal apache server that we use for  
logging. IE, a tech can log into a web page, get technical info for  
some issues, and post a message to a generic list based on the type of  
issue - video conferencing , servers, web servers, etc. The script just  
opens a pipe to mail, example:

		open X, "|/bin/mail -t $LISTSERV";

Anything sent to the list, even using "mail" on the command line, the  
message gets stripped off as a non-text message.


Sean Collen
Chief Systems Administrator
10 Empire State Blvd
Capitol Corporate Campus
Castleton, NY 12033
518-479-1226
518-479-5100
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
--------------------------
					www.aanet.org
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
--------------------------




From rkpn at british-genealogy.com  Thu Apr 22 01:03:43 2004
From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:03:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 'Suspicious header' question
In-Reply-To: <050e01c42684$aff7aec0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
References: <4083B49B.8F2CB0E2@Scioto.Org>
	<20040419144359.GX5727@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
	
	<050e01c42684$aff7aec0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <+uL+I4aP3vhAFAXP@btconnect.com>

In message <050e01c42684$aff7aec0$6401a8c0 at houston.rr.com>, texas 
critter - mailman-users  writes
>Rod Neep wrote:
>
>> Something in their header that Mailman doesn't like... but for the life
>> of me, I can't see what might be in there that is "suspicious". It all
>> looks quite normal.
>
>Post their headers here and we'll take a look?  (xxx out any list 
>addresses and individual email addresses, of course)
>
>hth,
>texas critter

Just when you are waiting for one... it doesn't come ;-)
I'll post one here when I next get one.

Cheers
Rod
-- 
Rod Neep
Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org
British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com



From jk at alt.cc  Thu Apr 22 01:22:01 2004
From: jk at alt.cc (Joe Kissell)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:22:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-htdig bug or configuration error
Message-ID: 

Hello all,

I have a fully functional installation of Mailman 2.1.4 (with patch 
#444884 for htdig integration) running on Mac OS X Server 10.3.3. The 
Mailman lists themselves work correctly, as does htdig by itself. On 
the TOC page for any list's archives, I get the Search box and 
indicator of when the index was last rebuilt, just as I should. 
However, when I perform a search on any term, I get the following:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
     main()
   File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/mmsearch.py", line 211, in main
     child.tochild.close()
IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe

Something tells me this may be due to some trivial configuration issue, 
such as an error in mm_cfg.py, but I'm stumped. Can anyone offer any 
guidance?

Thanks,

Joe Kissell




From rufranco at utep.edu  Thu Apr 22 02:03:53 2004
From: rufranco at utep.edu (Franco, Ruben)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:03:53 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List not distributing posts
Message-ID: 

	We are running a listserv on  RedHat 6 system with Mailman 2.0.  The posts seem to reach the machine and we see the following entry in the maillog:


maillog:
--------
"listserv sendmail[4234]: i3LKrnH04234: from=, size=880, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200404212053.i3LKrnH04234 at listserv.utep.edu>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=IDENT:nobody at localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]"


	But we never see additional entries for these posts to show them going out to the list members.  Earlier today we would see entries such as:

"listserv sendmail[4236]: i3LKrnH04234: to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=138880, relay=smtp.utep.edu. [129.108.0.175], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as ACCF111F8D2)"



	The only other messages we can find that could be related to this problem is in the following in the grunner log:

logs/grunner:
--------------
"Could not acquire qrunner lock"



NOTE: The problem is limited to listservs as we are able to send and receive e-mail to individual user accounts (both local and remote).


Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.

Ruben




From theall at tifaware.com  Thu Apr 22 02:26:42 2004
From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 20:26:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-htdig bug or configuration error
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20040422002642.GA15344@tifaware.com>

On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 04:22:01PM -0700, Joe Kissell wrote:

> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/mmsearch.py", line 211, in main
>     child.tochild.close()
> IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe
> 
> Something tells me this may be due to some trivial configuration issue, 
> such as an error in mm_cfg.py, but I'm stumped. Can anyone offer any 
> guidance?

I've seen this if permissions on htsearch (pointed to by
HTDIG_HTSEARCH_PATH in mm_cfg.py) don't permit it to be executed by the
web user / group. 

George
-- 
theall at tifaware.com
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From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Apr 22 02:38:22 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:38:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Editing the "Confirm Subscription Request" Page
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040421193145.01c1cdc0@127.0.0.1>

Jonathan Erbe wrote:
>Anyone know how to edit the "Confirm Subscription Request" page and
>other public pages not listed under the "edit public pages" section?

      Mailman looks in various places, in order, for each template.  The 
last place it looks is /mailman/templates/en (or what ever language 
you are using).  If the template is found in /mailman//en 
that is used instead.  So,  you can modify the template for a list by 
copying the original from/mailman/templates/en to 
/mailman//en and editing the list copy as you see 
fit.  Be sure to do bin/mailmanctl restart when you are done.  You will 
also need to send a post to the archives for any template involved with the 
archives.

<>< Paul





From jk at alt.cc  Thu Apr 22 02:51:33 2004
From: jk at alt.cc (Joe Kissell)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:51:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-htdig bug or configuration error
In-Reply-To: <20040422002642.GA15344@tifaware.com>
References: 
	<20040422002642.GA15344@tifaware.com>
Message-ID: <336EF2EC-93F7-11D8-8C77-000A95676404@alt.cc>

On Apr 21, 2004, at 5:26 PM, George Theall wrote:

>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "/usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>>     main()
>>   File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/mmsearch.py", line 211, in main
>>     child.tochild.close()
>> IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe
>>
>> Something tells me this may be due to some trivial configuration 
>> issue,
>> such as an error in mm_cfg.py, but I'm stumped. Can anyone offer any
>> guidance?
>
> I've seen this if permissions on htsearch (pointed to by
> HTDIG_HTSEARCH_PATH in mm_cfg.py) don't permit it to be executed by the
> web user / group.

Aha! Looks like it also occurs when one has a typo in mm_cfg.py 
(HTDIG_SEARCH_PATH instead of HTDIG_HTSEARCH_PATH). Oops. But thanks 
for the tip--it pointed me in the right direction! Everything's working 
now.

Joe




From rufranco at utep.edu  Thu Apr 22 03:16:08 2004
From: rufranco at utep.edu (Franco, Ruben)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:16:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List not distributing posts
Message-ID: 

Listserv seems to have started working again after removing a couple of "lock" files from the "mailman/locks" directory.  Did this acutally fix the issue or was it coincidental?

Ruben


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Franco, Ruben
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:04 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List not distributing posts


	We are running a listserv on  RedHat 6 system with Mailman 2.0.  The posts seem to reach the machine and we see the following entry in the maillog:


maillog:
--------
"listserv sendmail[4234]: i3LKrnH04234: from=, size=880, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200404212053.i3LKrnH04234 at listserv.utep.edu>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=IDENT:nobody at localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]"


	But we never see additional entries for these posts to show them going out to the list members.  Earlier today we would see entries such as:

"listserv sendmail[4236]: i3LKrnH04234: to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=138880, relay=smtp.utep.edu. [129.108.0.175], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as ACCF111F8D2)"



	The only other messages we can find that could be related to this problem is in the following in the grunner log:

logs/grunner:
--------------
"Could not acquire qrunner lock"



NOTE: The problem is limited to listservs as we are able to send and receive e-mail to individual user accounts (both local and remote).


Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.

Ruben


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From hpebley3 at skylark-software.com  Thu Apr 22 03:20:25 2004
From: hpebley3 at skylark-software.com (Harley Pebley)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:20:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not delivering properly
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040421190547.02b309f0@skylark-software.com>

I've been trying to get an almost working Mailman install to be
completely working. Everything seems to work except delivery of
any type of mail. I've looked in the FAQs and archives but didn't
see anything like this.

The only messages I get are from Mailman in smtp-failure:
   Apr 21 16:35:45 2004 (2892) delivery to xyz at abc.com failed with
   code -1: icheep in local_domains? yes (matched reepicheep)

It appears Mailman is trying to use a partial part (icheep) of the host name
(reepicheep) in its delivery attempts.

Any ideas why or how to fix?

Thanks,
Harley Pebley 




From Admin at AnoeticConcepts.com  Thu Apr 22 08:27:57 2004
From: Admin at AnoeticConcepts.com (Anoetic Concepts)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:27:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cpanel is trying to work on a couple
	ofMailmanIssues - but We Need Help
References: <4085CBDD.3941.AB4062@localhost>
	<013a01c427b3$0e550a60$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <015401c42832$f51b4f20$6601a8c0@System2G>

Lloyd F. Tennison wrote:

> (Also, if there are any other glaring issues - maybe they can look
at
> them at the same time - but no promises.)

Yes, please have them look into this problem:

I'm using the Mailman version included in CPanel -- I think it's
version 2.1.3.  I sent the following 5 commands in an email to
the -request address of a list:

set authenticate password
set show
set delivery off
set show
end

Of course, I replaced "password" with my actual password.  The
response follows:

- Results:
    Your current option settings:
        ack on
        digest off
        delivery on
        myposts on
        hide off
        duplicates on
        reminders on
    delivery option set
    Your current option settings:
        ack on
        digest off
        delivery on
        myposts on
        hide off
        duplicates on
        reminders on

- Done.

The line:
    delivery option set
indicates that the set delivery command was processed, but as you can
see, the option was never turned off.  How do I get this bug fixed?
Do I need to report it to CPanel to get them to fix it and/or upgrade
the version of Mailman?

Jeff
Anoetic Concepts





From javiercano at universia.net  Thu Apr 22 11:11:42 2004
From: javiercano at universia.net (Javier Cano Linares)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:11:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem sending messages to the list
Message-ID: <1082625102.896.35.camel@localhost>

Hi everybody out there!

I have a small problem. Yes, I know, maybe it is a newbie issue, I am
sorry about that...
I have just installed and configured a Linux system with Postfix 2.0.14
and the latest stable mailman version.
I create a list, the owner receives a message from the list. I can
subscribe new members to this list who can confirm their ownership to
the list via the web interface and then they receive the welcome
message.
The problem comes when a user tries to send a message to the list. The
problem appears sending message from outside.

The list is called prueba, the user trying to send a message is
javiercano at universia.net.

Here is an excerpt of file /var/log/mail:

-------------------
Apr 22 04:16:30 postman postfix/smtpd[22763]: connect from
unknown[195.53.80.153]
Apr 22 04:16:30 postman postfix/smtpd[22763]: 5D54F31C6B:
client=unknown[195.53.80.153]
Apr 22 04:16:30 postman postfix/smtpd[22763]: 5D54F31C6B: reject: RCPT
from unknown[195.53.80.153]: 450 : User
unknown in local recipient table; from=
to= proto=ESMTP helo=
...
Apr 22 04:16:31 postman postfix/smtpd[22763]: disconnect from
unknown[195.53.80.153]
--------------------

Thank you for your help!

Javier Cano






From ptomblin at xcski.com  Thu Apr 22 13:17:33 2004
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:17:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List not distributing posts
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20040422111733.GC2803@allhats.xcski.com>

Quoting Franco, Ruben (rufranco at utep.edu):
> Listserv seems to have started working again after removing a couple of
> "lock" files from the "mailman/locks" directory.  Did this acutally fix
> the issue or was it coincidental?

No, that's it.  As the message said, qrunner couldn't deliver the mail
because the lock file told it that qrunner was already running.  I had
that problem after every system crash when I was running RedHat 7.x and
Mailman 1.x until I fixed the /etc/rc.d/init.d/mailman script to make sure
those lock files got properly blown away on boot.

Don't ask me exactly what I changed, it was a long time ago.

-- 
Paul Tomblin  http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty will be charged to
dangers, real or imagined, from abroad." - James Madison



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Thu Apr 22 13:21:48 2004
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:21:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Warning being treated like a bounce
In-Reply-To: <20040420133113.GB18350@allhats.xcski.com>
References: <20040420133113.GB18350@allhats.xcski.com>
Message-ID: <20040422112148.GD2803@allhats.xcski.com>

Quoting Paul Tomblin (ptomblin at xcski.com):
> ISP that has a clue.  So I was hoping somebody who knows Python could give
> me a hint on how to make the bounce processor not treat these warnings as
> bounces.

Is this the wrong mailing list to ask this question?  Can somebody suggest
a better place?

-- 
Paul Tomblin  http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"I'm starting to suspect she has a part-time job in one of the circles of
Hell and is telecommuting."



From toth.peter at spy.poliod.hu  Thu Apr 22 13:47:06 2004
From: toth.peter at spy.poliod.hu (=?iso-8859-2?B?VPN0aCBQ6XRlcg==?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:47:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archives
Message-ID: <004301c4285f$8958f850$53b8e1c1@CQ9111>

Hello Members,

I have Fedora Core 1 and mailman-2.1.4-1.
When I try to see the archives from the admin webpage (http://myhostname/mailman/admin/mylistname), everything is OK.

If I start from the listinfo page and check the archives (after passing my e-address and passwd) I can see the monthly table containing the posted letters, but unable to read them, because the list name is missing from the link. By selecting one item it gives me this: http://myhostname/mailman/private/2004-April/thread.html and an error: There is no list with name: 2004-april.

Could somebody tell me how to fix this problem?

Thanks in advance,
Peter


From t.howat at linst.ac.uk  Thu Apr 22 14:09:15 2004
From: t.howat at linst.ac.uk (Tony Howat)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:09:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk alteration of subscriber addresses
Message-ID: <4087B5EB.5070107@linst.ac.uk>


Hi Mailman Users,

The organisation I'm working for is changing it's domain name. I need to 
process all mailing lists on our MailMan system and alter the subscribed 
addresses from our current domain to the new one, leaving external 
subscriber addresses intact.

Has anyone done such a thing, or something similar? DB/python is not my 
area, so any sample code to open a mailman database file and recurse 
through subscribed addresses would be very useful.

-- 
Tony Howat
UNIX Network Administrator
The London Institute




From t.howat at linst.ac.uk  Thu Apr 22 14:13:42 2004
From: t.howat at linst.ac.uk (Tony Howat)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:13:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bulk alteration of subscriber addresses
In-Reply-To: <4087B5EB.5070107@linst.ac.uk>
References: <4087B5EB.5070107@linst.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4087B6F6.1040301@linst.ac.uk>

Tony Howat wrote:

> 
> Hi Mailman Users,
> 
> The organisation I'm working for is changing it's domain name. I need to 
> process all mailing lists on our MailMan system and alter the subscribed 
> addresses from our current domain to the new one, leaving external 
> subscriber addresses intact.
> 
> Has anyone done such a thing, or something similar? DB/python is not my 
> area, so any sample code to open a mailman database file and recurse 
> through subscribed addresses would be very useful.

Do ignore me. list_members provides such a template!

-- 
Tony Howat
UNIX Network Administrator
The London Institute




From texascritter at ditb.net  Thu Apr 22 16:11:24 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter - mailman-users)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:11:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions
References: 
Message-ID: <009801c42873$b2e1a960$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Wanda Clark Araujo wrote:

> We're in the process of setting up with hostway.  They've recommended
> Mailman.
>
> We'd like an email marketing software to allows us to create
> professional-looking, colorful HTML email newsletters, to manage email
> lists (so we can upload our data lists, target or segment portions of it
> and personalize), to track for receipts, opening and click thrus and to
> work within our Windows-based environment.

When you say "Windows-based" do you mean your personal computer is a Win PC
or that you want to install Mailman on a Windows server?  Mailman is
designed primarily for Linux/Unix servers.  It's possible to run it on a
Windows server, but it'll require some work.  The FAQ (see the link at the
bottom of all list messages) has more info about it.

Mailman doesn't provide any tracking or click thru info, if you're using
html, you can do various things in that which will provide tracking and
click thru info.

Mailman also doesn't provide the ability to email only a portion of the
member list.  You'd need to set up a separate list for each portion that
you'd want to send different emails to, then (I think) you could set up an
umbrella list to email all of them.

Lyris is probably more what you'd want, it does provide the ability to
target portions of a mailing list by a variety of data points, it also has
better handling of html and scheduling of posts.  But it's not free.  There
are list hosting services that use Lyris, NetAtlantic is one, Dundee is
another.  Again, not free tho.

hth,
texas critter

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EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/





From ptomblin at xcski.com  Thu Apr 22 16:31:37 2004
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:31:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions
In-Reply-To: <009801c42873$b2e1a960$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
References: 
	<009801c42873$b2e1a960$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20040422143137.GA10124@allhats.xcski.com>

Quoting texas critter - mailman-users (texascritter at ditb.net):
> Mailman also doesn't provide the ability to email only a portion of the
> member list.  You'd need to set up a separate list for each portion that
> you'd want to send different emails to, then (I think) you could set up an
> umbrella list to email all of them.

Not true.  You can set up "topics" in recent versions of Mailman, and
people can subscribe to as many or as few of the topics of that list as
they want.

For instance, my "copilot-announce" mailing list has two topics - the
CoPilot program itself, and the waypoint generator that provides navaid
data for the program.  People only interested in hearing when the next
version of CoPilot is coming out or what features it will have can
subscribe to the "CoPilot" topic, and people interested in hearing when
I've applied the FAA 56 day updates can subscribe to the "Generator"
topic.

-- 
Paul Tomblin  http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a
mistake when you make it again.  -- F. P. Jones



From texascritter at ditb.net  Thu Apr 22 16:29:26 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter - mailman-users)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:29:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can a Public High School Use Mailman?
References: <000001c42734$e15ede10$55660418@D15CXX11>
Message-ID: <00a501c42876$378791a0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Andrea Viel wrote:

> I was exposed to Mailman, because I also manage the Oakland Strokes mail.
> We certainly could load the email addresses we've collected manually.
>
> As I don't really know much about websites, can you please explain what
> we need to use Mailman.  Can our school district website link up or
> create a mailman account?  Please explain how Mailman is set up in very
> simple terms!

Mailman is a program designed to be installed and run on a Linux/Unix
server that already has mail and web server software installed.

You mention your school district's website, where is that hosted?  On a
server that your school district maintains?  or thru a webhosting provider?

If your school district has a server, check with the server admin to see if
it's Linux/Unix and if they could install Mailman for you.  If the school
district is using a webhost, check with the webhost, lots of webhosting
providers also offer Mailman lists as part of their webhosting packages and
it's very easy to create your list and load your email addresses.

If the school district doesn't have a server or can't/won't install Mailman
and the current webhost doesn't offer Mailman, then you might look into
webhosts that do offer Mailman, there's bunches that do, for as little as
$5/month.  Try Googling on "website hosting" and "mailman".

hth,
texas critter

--
EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/





From netmail at elmo.it  Thu Apr 22 18:06:17 2004
From: netmail at elmo.it (Net Mail)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:06:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin
Message-ID: 

hi
how to for setup the password for create a list ?
chers
-------------------------
Andrea S.
IT :: El.Mo S.p.A.



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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:26:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 2, Issue 53
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From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Apr 22 18:48:09 2004
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:48:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk alteration of subscriber addresses
In-Reply-To: <4087B5EB.5070107@linst.ac.uk>
References: <4087B5EB.5070107@linst.ac.uk>
Message-ID: 

On 22 Apr 2004, at 13:09, Tony Howat wrote:

>
> Hi Mailman Users,
>
> The organisation I'm working for is changing it's domain name. I need 
> to process all mailing lists on our MailMan system and alter the 
> subscribed addresses from our current domain to the new one, leaving 
> external subscriber addresses intact.
>
> Has anyone done such a thing, or something similar? DB/python is not 
> my area, so any sample code to open a mailman database file and 
> recurse through subscribed addresses would be very useful.
>

using the available command line tools, then for each list:

1.	use $prefix/bin/list_members to extract the subscriber list to a 
text file

2. edit the email addresses in the file using sed, a perl script or 
whatever text manipulation tool is your preference

3. use $prefix/bin/sync_members to tell MM to update the subscriber list

put a shell wrapper around it to iterate over all your lists.

no knowledge of python or MM internals required

> -- 
> Tony Howat
> UNIX Network Administrator
> The London Institute




From texascritter at ditb.net  Thu Apr 22 18:43:21 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter - mailman-users)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:43:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions
References: <009801c42873$b2e1a960$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<20040422143137.GA10124@allhats.xcski.com>
Message-ID: <007f01c4288a$855d5220$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Paul Tomblin wrote:

> Not true.  You can set up "topics" in recent versions of Mailman, and
> people can subscribe to as many or as few of the topics of that list as
> they want.

ah!  thanks much for correcting me, I haven't played with topics on Mailman
yet.  I'm familar with them on a LSoft list and figured it was much the
same but hadn't thought about how that would apply to the original question
here.  So thanks for the info. :)

But - question, can the listowner set which topics a list member gets?  I
think the original poster was wanting to be able to target specific
segments of the list, for example, all AOL members, could a listowner set
each AOL member to be subbed to a topic of "AOL"?  Would you have to set
each AOL member individually or could do you set all of them at once?

hth,
texas critter

--
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From ptomblin at xcski.com  Thu Apr 22 19:04:12 2004
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:04:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions
In-Reply-To: <007f01c4288a$855d5220$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
References: <20040422143137.GA10124@allhats.xcski.com>
	<007f01c4288a$855d5220$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20040422170412.GA15247@allhats.xcski.com>

Quoting texas critter - mailman-users (texascritter at ditb.net):
> But - question, can the listowner set which topics a list member gets?  I

Not as far as I can tell.


-- 
Paul Tomblin  http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Don't use a big word where a diminutive one will suffice.



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu Apr 22 19:26:15 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:26:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions
In-Reply-To: <20040422170412.GA15247@allhats.xcski.com>
References: <20040422143137.GA10124@allhats.xcski.com>
	<007f01c4288a$855d5220$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<20040422170412.GA15247@allhats.xcski.com>
Message-ID: <20040422172615.GB17824@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Paul Tomblin wrote:
> Quoting texas critter - mailman-users (texascritter at ditb.net):
>> But - question, can the listowner set which topics a list member
>> gets?  I
>
> Not as far as I can tell.

Sure they can.  The listowner can change options for list members
easily.  They do have to do this for each subscriber if using the web
interface.  I'm sure something simple could be whipped up to automate
this via the command line, though I haven't tried it (technically,
something relatively simple could be whipped up to do this via the web
interface too, if one were so inclined).

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
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From alblack at achilles.net  Thu Apr 22 19:26:51 2004
From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:26:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <04042213265107.01094@localhost.localdomain>

On April 22, 2004 12:06 pm, Net Mail wrote:
> hi
> how to for setup the password for create a list ?

cd ~/usr/local/mailman/bin
(or wherever you have mailman stored)

mmsitepass is what you are looking for, and mmsitepass -h will give you more 
info.

al



From maddoc at maddoc.net  Thu Apr 22 19:32:39 2004
From: maddoc at maddoc.net (Doc Schneider)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:32:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Spamassassin
Message-ID: <408801B7.1030504@maddoc.net>

Can someone please let me know how to intergrate spamassassin with Mailman?

Running both 2.1.4 and 2.0.13 on different servers.

Thanks,


-- 

-Doc

---
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http://www.maddoc.net/
momndoc at maddoc.net




From ptomblin at xcski.com  Thu Apr 22 19:33:08 2004
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:33:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions
In-Reply-To: <20040422172615.GB17824@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
References: <20040422143137.GA10124@allhats.xcski.com>
	<007f01c4288a$855d5220$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<20040422170412.GA15247@allhats.xcski.com>
	<20040422172615.GB17824@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <20040422173308.GA16188@allhats.xcski.com>

Quoting Todd (Freedom_Lover at pobox.com):
> Paul Tomblin wrote:
> > Quoting texas critter - mailman-users (texascritter at ditb.net):
> >> But - question, can the listowner set which topics a list member
> >> gets?  I
> >
> > Not as far as I can tell.
> 
> Sure they can.  The listowner can change options for list members
> easily.  They do have to do this for each subscriber if using the web
> interface.  I'm sure something simple could be whipped up to automate

I don't see any option to do that on the version of Mailman I'm using
(2.1.1).

-- 
Paul Tomblin  http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"Cause geeks like us, baby we can hack the Sun" - Joe Thompson



From Laurent.Flamand at ec-lille.fr  Thu Apr 22 19:37:40 2004
From: Laurent.Flamand at ec-lille.fr (Laurent Flamand)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:37:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Spamassassin
References: <408801B7.1030504@maddoc.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c42890$927be010$0200a8c0@laurent>

Hi,
i'm usinge MailMan and SpamAssassin.
in fact i use amavisd-new + SpamAssassin+Sophos+Postfix and MailMan as List
Manager.

it's quite easy too install.

Laurent
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doc Schneider" 
To: "mailman-users" 
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:32 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Spamassassin


> Can someone please let me know how to intergrate spamassassin with
Mailman?
>
> Running both 2.1.4 and 2.0.13 on different servers.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> -- 
>
> -Doc
>
> ---
> MomNDoc Online Consultants
> http://www.maddoc.net/
> momndoc at maddoc.net
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
>




From ptomblin at xcski.com  Thu Apr 22 19:38:05 2004
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:38:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <408801B7.1030504@maddoc.net>
References: <408801B7.1030504@maddoc.net>
Message-ID: <20040422173805.GB16188@allhats.xcski.com>

Quoting Doc Schneider (maddoc at maddoc.net):
> Can someone please let me know how to intergrate spamassassin with Mailman?
> 
> Running both 2.1.4 and 2.0.13 on different servers.

I've been doing this for ages on all the publically known mailing lists.
What I did was re-alias the posting address to

copilot-announce:		 "|/usr/bin/procmail -m MAILMAN=copilot-announce /etc/procmailrcs/mailman"
rfc:		 "|/usr/bin/procmail -m MAILMAN=rfc /etc/procmailrcs/mailman"

Then /etc/procmailrcs/mailman is a file that belongs to user
"nobody.nobody" (because that's who Mailman expects mail to come from)
which looks sort of like:

HOME=/var/mailman
SPAMFOLDER=${HOME}/Mail/caughtspam
LOGFILE=${HOME}/Mail/log

:0
* ^Content-Type: multipart/
{
    :0 B:
    * ^Content-Type:.*(^.*)?name=.*\.(bat|com|exe|lnk|pif|scr|shs|vbs)
    /dev/null
}

:0fw
| ${SPAMC}

:0
* ^X-Spam-Status: Yes
${SPAMFOLDER}

:0
|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post ${MAILMAN}

-- 
Paul Tomblin  http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
With so many "textbook cases" of single points of failure, you'd think
that we'd stop building systems to demonstrate the concept.
              -- Matt Curtin



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu Apr 22 19:44:24 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:44:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions
In-Reply-To: <20040422173308.GA16188@allhats.xcski.com>
References: <20040422143137.GA10124@allhats.xcski.com>
	<007f01c4288a$855d5220$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
	<20040422170412.GA15247@allhats.xcski.com>
	<20040422172615.GB17824@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
	<20040422173308.GA16188@allhats.xcski.com>
Message-ID: <20040422174424.GC17824@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Paul Tomblin wrote:
> I don't see any option to do that on the version of Mailman I'm using
> (2.1.1).

You should be able to just pull up the membership list and click on
the subscriber's name to be taken to their options page, where you can
edit things.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you
nothing.  It was here first.
    -- Mark Twain

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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu Apr 22 19:45:19 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:45:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] KNOWN_SPAMMERS not consulted for -bounces
Message-ID: <20040422174519.GD17824@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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I have SpamAssassin setup site-wide on a system running mailman (and
some webmail users).  I wanted to take advantage of this to filter out
the most obvious spam sent to my lists so I added

    KNOWN_SPAMMERS = [('X-Spam-Flag','YES')]

to mm_cfg.py.  That works for most stuff but it does not help when
spam is sent to the list-bounces address, as more and more spam seems
to be doing on this system.  I don't really want to disable sending
uncaught bounces to the list admin, but as more and more spam gets
sent there, it's harder and harder to justify not doing something.

Is there a reason anyone knows of why the BounceRunner doesn't run
messages through the either the GLOBAL_PIPLINE or OWNER_PIPELINE?  I
experimented with adding a simple _dospamdetect method to the
BounceRunner and it seems to work, but I'd like to know if there's
some well thought out reason why this isn't already done and what I
might break doing this.

The patch I made to Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py is below.  Try not
to laugh too hard if I've done anything grossly out of style for
Python coding.  Most of it is taken right out of the _dopipeline code
in Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py.  Comments, criticisms, or
improvements would be most welcome.

- --- mailman-2.1.4/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py~	Mon Jan  5 13:51:14 2004
+++ mailman-2.1.4/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py	Mon Apr 19 00:12:48 2004
@@ -16,6 +16,8 @@
 
 """Bounce queue runner."""
 
+import sys
+import os
 import re
 import time
 
@@ -24,6 +26,7 @@
 from email.Utils import parseaddr
 
 from Mailman import mm_cfg
+from Mailman import Errors
 from Mailman import Utils
 from Mailman import LockFile
 from Mailman.Message import UserNotification
@@ -56,6 +59,9 @@
         # Make sure we have the most up-to-date state
         mlist.Load()
         outq = get_switchboard(mm_cfg.OUTQUEUE_DIR)
+        # First detect spam
+        if self._dospamdetect(mlist, msg, msgdata):
+            return
         # There are a few possibilities here:
         #
         # - the message could have been VERP'd in which case, we know exactly
@@ -110,6 +116,23 @@
         self._next_registration = now + REGISTER_BOUNCES_EVERY
         self._register_bounces()
 
+    def _dospamdetect(self, mlist, msg, msgdata):
+        modname = 'Mailman.Handlers.SpamDetect'
+        __import__(modname)
+        try:
+            pid = os.getpid()
+            sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
+            # Failsafe -- a child may have leaked through.
+            if pid <> os.getpid():
+                syslog('error', 'child process leaked thru: %s', modname)
+                os._exit(1)
+        except Errors.DiscardMessage:
+            # Throw the message away; we need do nothing else with it.
+            syslog('vette', 'Message discarded, msgid: %s',
+                   msg.get('message-id', 'n/a'))
+            return 1
+        return
+
     def _register_bounces(self):
         syslog('bounce', 'Processing %s queued bounces', self._bouncecnt)
         # First, get the list of bounces register against the site list.  For

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by
stupidity.
    -- Hanlon's Razor

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From hstorz at gmp-architekten.de  Thu Apr 22 20:07:54 2004
From: hstorz at gmp-architekten.de (hstorz at gmp-architekten.de)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:07:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Postfix
Message-ID: <20040422180754.58936273FE@hh-e.gmp-architekten.de>


Hi, 

I?m trying to set up mailman & postfix on a fedora core 1 system.
I created a "test-list" with >200 valid members and posted several
mails to that list.
Everything works fast and fine and the mails are being delivered within 2sec 
(logfile: ...smtp for 222 recips, completed in 2.324 seconds). 

Here the problem:
All "test-lists" i set up afterwards won?t work @all
posted mails get refused after several minutes (logfile: ...smtp for 131 
recips, commpleted in 248.686 seconds). 

The mails were correctly injected into the mailmanscripts and are even 
stored in the archives. 

maillog: ...relay=local, delay=0, status=sent ("|/var/mailman/mail/mailman 
post test 

whats so different between the first and the other lists and what am i doing 
wrong? 

Thanks 





From drjones at vii.com  Thu Apr 22 20:34:28 2004
From: drjones at vii.com (Dr. Jones)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:34:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HIPAA compliant? 
Message-ID: <40881034.9030606@vii.com>

Anyone on the list involved with HIPAA, in healthcare records?

I am a chiropractor and am wondering about using a mailing list among 
patients, not wanting to create any problems or HIPAA violations.

Any pitfalls to watch out for?

Dr. Jones

-- 
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Hands-On Chiropractic 
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From colles at aanet.org  Thu Apr 22 20:58:50 2004
From: colles at aanet.org (Sean Collen)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:58:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HIPAA compliant? 
In-Reply-To: <40881034.9030606@vii.com>
References: <40881034.9030606@vii.com>
Message-ID: <17757222-948F-11D8-8F88-000393853230@aanet.org>

A mailing list would not be HIPPA compliant. Then again it may be, but  
it depends highly on the reasoning and use of the list.

Sean Collen
Chief Systems Administrator
10 Empire State Blvd
Capitol Corporate Campus
Castleton, NY 12033
518-479-1226
518-479-5100
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
--------------------------
					www.aanet.org
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
--------------------------
On Apr 22, 2004, at 2:34 PM, Dr. Jones wrote:

> Anyone on the list involved with HIPAA, in healthcare records?
>
> I am a chiropractor and am wondering about using a mailing list among  
> patients, not wanting to create any problems or HIPAA violations.
>
> Any pitfalls to watch out for?
>
> Dr. Jones
>
> -- 
> Dr. Scott S. Jones
> Hands-On Chiropractic IRC: irc.freenode.net #utah
> Yahoo: sanchiro12
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:  
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>




From maillists at conactive.com  Thu Apr 22 21:31:34 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:31:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nightly_gzip sends message to mailman, gets stuck
Message-ID: 

I created new lists by copying existing directories and made the necessary 
changes with withlist etc., but these lists didn't have their archive 
directories yet. nightly_gzip barked about that (bogus archive directory 
for mailing list ...) and then sent this message to the mailman mailing 
list. There it gets stuck, as it seems because root isn't a member of the 
list. Is this expected behavior or should I change something so it gets 
distributed to the list? And if I do so what will happen? The list doesn't 
have any members.

    Liste:   Mailman at hostname
    Von:     root at hostname
    Betreff: Cron  /usr/bin/python -S 
/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip

Kai

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From drjones at vii.com  Thu Apr 22 21:48:07 2004
From: drjones at vii.com (Dr. Jones)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:48:07 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HIPAA compliant?
In-Reply-To: <17757222-948F-11D8-8F88-000393853230@aanet.org>
References: <40881034.9030606@vii.com>
	<17757222-948F-11D8-8F88-000393853230@aanet.org>
Message-ID: <40882177.1080204@vii.com>

Sean:



> A mailing list would not be HIPPA compliant. Then again it may be, 
> but  it depends highly on the reasoning and use of the list.

Here's my high reasoning, why it would not. If I keep it a moderated 
list, and the list members' names are not published to the list, i.e., 
on member on the list can't really find out the identity of any other 
list member, then I would think the privacy issue is covered.

As for use of the list, my use of it would be to disseminate health 
information to my patients. A side purpose would be to generate 
discussion about healthcare, and hopefully encourage others on the list 
to reply to and comment on the postings of some other members. I would 
NOT be including individual member addresses on the list for public 
distribution, just what people had written. If one user wanted to 
contact another it would be solely at the discretion of the "another" 
user....

With this clarification, would it seem more 'compliant'? I read about 
MD's conducting group classes to instruct several patients at one time. 
I don't read anywhere about each patient being blindfolded, or being 
instructed to never utter their own names outloud in such sessions.

?

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> --------------------------
> On Apr 22, 2004, at 2:34 PM, Dr. Jones wrote:
>
>> Anyone on the list involved with HIPAA, in healthcare records?
>>
>> I am a chiropractor and am wondering about using a mailing list 
>> among  patients, not wanting to create any problems or HIPAA violations.
>>
>> Any pitfalls to watch out for?
>>
>> Dr. Jones
>>
>> -- 
>> Dr. Scott S. Jones
>> Hands-On Chiropractic IRC: irc.freenode.net #utah
>> Yahoo: sanchiro12
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>> Searchable Archives:  
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>
>
>


-- 
Dr. Scott S. Jones
Hands-On Chiropractic 
IRC: irc.freenode.net #utah
Yahoo: sanchiro12





From colles at aanet.org  Thu Apr 22 22:11:29 2004
From: colles at aanet.org (Sean Collen)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:11:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HIPAA compliant?
In-Reply-To: <40882177.1080204@vii.com>
References: <40881034.9030606@vii.com>
	<17757222-948F-11D8-8F88-000393853230@aanet.org>
	<40882177.1080204@vii.com>
Message-ID: <3DAEEF82-9499-11D8-8F88-000393853230@aanet.org>

Yes, that is fine, I run a list like that now for the National Kidney  
Foundation. A place for an administrator to send out health info, and a  
place for everyone to have discussions on different issues and such.

We have not had any issues with HIPPA up to now, and many of our  
members/clients have already been audited by those HIPPA compliancy  
groups.

Sean Collen
Chief Systems Administrator
10 Empire State Blvd
Capitol Corporate Campus
Castleton, NY 12033
518-479-1226
518-479-5100
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
--------------------------
					www.aanet.org
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
--------------------------
On Apr 22, 2004, at 3:48 PM, Dr. Jones wrote:

> Sean:
>
>
>
>> A mailing list would not be HIPPA compliant. Then again it may be,  
>> but  it depends highly on the reasoning and use of the list.
>
> Here's my high reasoning, why it would not. If I keep it a moderated  
> list, and the list members' names are not published to the list, i.e.,  
> on member on the list can't really find out the identity of any other  
> list member, then I would think the privacy issue is covered.
>
> As for use of the list, my use of it would be to disseminate health  
> information to my patients. A side purpose would be to generate  
> discussion about healthcare, and hopefully encourage others on the  
> list to reply to and comment on the postings of some other members. I  
> would NOT be including individual member addresses on the list for  
> public distribution, just what people had written. If one user wanted  
> to contact another it would be solely at the discretion of the  
> "another" user....
>
> With this clarification, would it seem more 'compliant'? I read about  
> MD's conducting group classes to instruct several patients at one  
> time. I don't read anywhere about each patient being blindfolded, or  
> being instructed to never utter their own names outloud in such  
> sessions.
>
> ?
>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> -- --------------------------
>> On Apr 22, 2004, at 2:34 PM, Dr. Jones wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone on the list involved with HIPAA, in healthcare records?
>>>
>>> I am a chiropractor and am wondering about using a mailing list  
>>> among  patients, not wanting to create any problems or HIPAA  
>>> violations.
>>>
>>> Any pitfalls to watch out for?
>>>
>>> Dr. Jones
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Dr. Scott S. Jones
>>> Hands-On Chiropractic IRC: irc.freenode.net #utah
>>> Yahoo: sanchiro12
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>> Searchable Archives:   
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Dr. Scott S. Jones
> Hands-On Chiropractic IRC: irc.freenode.net #utah
> Yahoo: sanchiro12
>
>
>




From texascritter at ditb.net  Thu Apr 22 22:53:43 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter - mailman-users)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:53:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HIPAA compliant? 
References: <40881034.9030606@vii.com>
Message-ID: <01ab01c428ac$04d3eca0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Dr. Jones wrote:

> Anyone on the list involved with HIPAA, in healthcare records?
>
> I am a chiropractor and am wondering about using a mailing list among
> patients, not wanting to create any problems or HIPAA violations.

I don't know the legal ramifications, but here's my two cents.  If it's
just an announcement list, for you to send out health info, absolutely no
problem.  Don't make the member list public, make it just for list admins
and you're fine, there's no disclosure of the other patients at all.  If
you've got email addresses for your patients now, you could send out a one
time message, announcing the list and its purpose and stating that if they
want to join, to go to the website or to send an email to, etc.  After
that, just make sure that when patients fill in their email address on one
of your forms or wherever, that it says that you're going to add them to
your mailing list.

If it's going to be discussion tho, make sure that your patients know, make
it very clear in the initial one time message.  Posting to a discussion
list will reveal the patient's email address and possibly their identity,
home address, phone number, etc. depending on how much info is publicly
tied to their email address.  So just be sure they know it's a discussion
list and that in posting, they may be revealing their identity.  Also, I
suggest making the list confirm + approve, so that you can verify that
people wanting to join are current patients - or if you're going to make it
open to the public, make sure your patients know that.

You might also consider having two lists, one for announcements only and
one for discussion and announcements and on whatever your patients fill in
their email address, add a couple checkboxes for the announcement list and
the discussion/announcement list.

hth,
texas critter

--
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From brianmaull at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 22 22:16:13 2004
From: brianmaull at yahoo.com (Brian Maull)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:16:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply from Archives goes to list, not poster.
Message-ID: <20040422201613.97507.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
When browsing the archives, if you click on the email address of a post to reply to that post, the email generates to the list address instead of the users address.  The reply to setting is set to reply to poster, not list.  Also, if any email addresses are listed in the post (for example in a signature) the address is obscured (as it should be) and replaced with a link.  This link takes you to the list info page instead of creating an email.
Is this by design, or is there a way to fix this?
Thanks,
Brian

		
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From rfetten at godwinterrace.net  Thu Apr 22 20:16:32 2004
From: rfetten at godwinterrace.net (Bob Fetten)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:16:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 2, Issue 54
Message-ID: 


***MESSAGE DELIVERY FAILED***

To: rfetten at godwinterrace.net 
Subject: RE: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 2, Issue 54

Reason: E-mail account is protected by xTerminator
(http://www.artplus.hr/xterminator.htm)
___________________________________


Your email was rejected by the recipient. Your email was either recognized as SPAM or was identified as having suspicious contents. 


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From drjones at vii.com  Fri Apr 23 06:46:45 2004
From: drjones at vii.com (Dr. Jones)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:46:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
Message-ID: <40889FB5.5080705@vii.com>

Could someone explain this, and how i can resolve it? I know it looks 
fairly obvious on the surface, but I am not sure how to proceed, to add 
user 'patients', or why this error was generated.

Thanks

Scott

-- 
Dr. Scott S. Jones
Hands-On Chiropractic 
IRC: irc.freenode.net #utah
Yahoo: sanchiro12



From hoju_239 at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 23 08:28:22 2004
From: hoju_239 at hotmail.com (Space Coyote)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 00:28:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages Not Appearing
Message-ID: 

Hey,

I am having trouble having anything show up on my lists.  I am receiving the 
mails as forwarded by sendmail, all of the aliases are working.  the mail 
log has none of the typical gid problems.  Everything looks like mail is 
being sent out.

Looking at the system log file gate_news is being restarted by cron every 
five minutes.  I cannot find any cron processes running though when I 
perform a ps -aux | grep cron except the deamon.  None of my mailman logs 
are being populated except the subscribe list.

My mm_cfg.py file appears to be empty but my Defaults.py contains what I 
need it to.  What am I missing?

I am using OS X 10.2.8, Python 2.2, and mailman 2.1.4

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From ptomblin at xcski.com  Fri Apr 23 13:12:03 2004
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:12:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 2, Issue 54
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20040423111203.GB13935@allhats.xcski.com>

Quoting Bob Fetten (rfetten at godwinterrace.net):
> 
> ***MESSAGE DELIVERY FAILED***
> 
> To: rfetten at godwinterrace.net 
> Subject: RE: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 2, Issue 54
> 
> Reason: E-mail account is protected by xTerminator
> (http://www.artplus.hr/xterminator.htm)
> ___________________________________
> 
> 
> Your email was rejected by the recipient. Your email was either recognized as SPAM or was identified as having suspicious contents. 

Can somebody please remove this asshole from the list until he figures out
how to configure his spam blocker?

-- 
Paul Tomblin  http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
We're the technical experts.  We were hired so that management could
ignore our recommendations and tell us how to do our jobs.
              -- Mike Andrews



From bwilson at clickshift.com  Thu Apr 22 02:40:33 2004
From: bwilson at clickshift.com (Brian Wilson)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:40:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List not distributing posts
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

> "listserv sendmail[4236]: i3LKrnH04234: to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=138880, relay=smtp.utep.edu. [129.108.0.175], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as ACCF111F8D2)"

Aside from the mailman-specific advice I am sure other people will
offer, you can crank up logging in sendmail to get more info if you if
not already done that.

In sendmail.cf, change the line

	O LogLevel=9

to say for instance

	O LogLevel=15

and then restart sendmail ("service sendmail restart" on Redhat)

Once you have things are running hunky-dory, remember to crank the
LogLevel back down if you run a busy server else your /var/log will
soon runneth over!

-- 
Brian Wilson
Corvallis, Oregon
541-757-2045

Doesn't debugging a cranky mailman setup just drive you nuts sometimes??
Sysadmin, it's a dirty job but somebody said I have to do it.






From training at hwswworld.com  Fri Apr 23 05:14:59 2004
From: training at hwswworld.com (training)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:14:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem
Message-ID: <40888A33.2090700@hwswworld.com>


I set up mailman and its web front, everything looks fine, except when I 
send a test email to my list alias, there
is no email in the pending list

mydomain is also my list name, and in my /etc/passwd I do have a user named
mydomain

qrunner log:
Apr 22 22:20:56 2004 (9731) post to mydomain from 
mydomain-request at mydomain.com , 
size=1701, 
message-id=, 1 failures

smtp log:

Apr 22 22:20:56 2004 (9731) 

smtp for 1 recips, completed in 189.191 seconds

smtp-failure log:

Apr 22 22:20:56 2004 (9731) Low level smtp error: (110, 'Connection 
timed out'), msgid: 
Apr 22 22:20:56 2004 (9731) delivery to info at test_domain.com failed with 
code -1: (110, 'Connection timed out')

What is the problem here?

Thx,HTM







From gordon at imagesofeden.com  Thu Apr 22 03:28:10 2004
From: gordon at imagesofeden.com (gordon at imagesofeden.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:28:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Urgent... Cannot locate Mailing list
Message-ID: <001e01c42809$1451ac10$5d773744@tittsworth>

To Whom It May Concern:

I am the owner/ webmaster of www.imagesofeden.com and just recently, the website was moved to a different IP address.  Ever since then, I cannot send e-mails to my mailing list gigdates at imagesofeden.com and I cannot get into the administration page to edit.  The mailing list has about 250-300 people on it and is very important.  Can you please help me with this?

ALSO, PLEASE REPLY TO ALL IN THIS E-MAIL SO I CAN GET THE RESPONSE AT MY WORK E-MAIL ADDRESS.

Thank you,
Gordon Tittsworth


From Agrevet at aol.com  Thu Apr 22 07:47:04 2004
From: Agrevet at aol.com (Agrevet at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:47:04 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is mailman suitable ?
Message-ID: <86.9ecdde2.2db8b658@aol.com>

Yes, but doesn't that really weaken the security of the list which is the 
whole point for using Mailman in the first place, (the point being to protect the 
list from being highjacked by spoofers, etc.)???

Alice G.
Paris, France

Dans un e-mail dat? du 4/21/2004 7:21:22 PM Romance Daylight Time, 
hilton at think.co.za a ?crit :

> Sujet : RE: [Mailman-Users] Is mailman suitable ? 
>  Date : 4/21/2004 7:21:22 PM Romance Daylight Time
>  De : hilton at think.co.za
>  A : tpf at canes.gsw.edu, mailman-users at python.org
>  Envoy? via Internet 
> 
> 
> 
> You're right Tim, there's an option under "General posting
> filters" where you can allow 'the whole world' to post
> unrestricted.
> 
> Thanks
> Cheers
> Hilton
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Tim
> Faircloth
> 
> At 04:40 PM 4/18/2004, you wrote:
> >Quoting Thomas Carri? :
> >>group C policy : anyone on the internet can write to
> group C
> >- yes but they would have to subscribe
> 
> not neccessarily.  there's an option under Subscription
> rules/sender 
> filters about what to do with non-member posts... "allow",
> "hold", 
> "reject", "discard"
> 
> /tim
> -- 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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From maillists at conactive.com  Thu Apr 22 17:31:40 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:31:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nightly_gzip sends message to mailman, gets stuck
Message-ID: 

I created new lists by copying existing directories and made the necessary 
changes with withlist etc., but these lists didn't have their archive 
directories yet. nightly_gzip barked about that (bogus archive directory 
for mailing list ...) and then sent this message to the mailman mailing 
list. There it gets stuck, as it seems because root isn't a member of the 
list. Is this expected behavior or should I change something so it gets 
distributed to the list? And if I do so what will happen? The list doesn't 
have any members.

    Liste:   Mailman at hostname
    Von:     root at hostname
    Betreff: Cron  /usr/bin/python -S 
/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip


Kai

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From dan at eglifamily.dnsalias.net  Thu Apr 22 20:31:10 2004
From: dan at eglifamily.dnsalias.net (Dan Egli)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:31:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] uncaught bounces
Message-ID: <40880F6E.9040100@eglifamily.dnsalias.net>

Sorry if this is not the place to note this, but I figured that the 
mailman developers would want to be notified of uncaught bounces so they 
can update the bounce catching system.. Here's one that I've gotten:

Subject:
Undeliverable Mail
From:
"Postmaster" 
Date:
Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:23:11
To:
sfcon-captains-bounces at sfcon.org

undeliverable  to [address hidden for privacy]


Original message follows.

Received: from malek.mailrover.net [216.126.204.163] by mail.sisna.com 
with ESMTP
   (SMTPD32-8.05) id A44E5B7011A; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:23:10 -0600
Received: from mojo.roguetrader.com (mojo.cold.org [166.70.176.119])
	by malek.mailrover.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3LMN7kh003338;
	Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:23:07 -0600
Received: from mojo.cold.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by mojo.roguetrader.com (Postfix) with ESMTP
	id 71BD0115A8; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:23:03 -0600 (MDT)
X-Original-To: captains at sfcon.org
Delivered-To: sfcon-captains at mojo.roguetrader.com
Received: from mail.sisna.com (mailx.sisna.com [216.126.204.104])
	by mojo.roguetrader.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E69211421
	for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:23:01 -0600 (MDT)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:23:04 -0600
Message-Id: <200404211623.AA132120804 at mail.sisna.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
From: [hidden for privacy]
X-Sender: [hidden for privacy]
To: [hidden for privacy]
Subject: Re: (captains) Reminder: sfcon round-table and social (Friday,
	April 30th)[hidden for Privacy]
X-Mailer: 
Cc:
X-BeenThere: sfcon-captains at sfcon.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4[address]
Precedence: list
Reply-To: captains at sfcon.org
List-Id: sfcon-captains.sfcon.org
List-Unsubscribe: ,
	
List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: ,
	
Sender: sfcon-captains-bounces at sfcon.org
Errors-To: sfcon-captains-bounces at sfcon.org

Besides email, has there been any personal contact made to invite 
different leaders to this event?

I know there are a lot of leaders not on the captains at sfcon.org list.

-=/\=-
Captain Carl Stark, Commanding Officer, [hidden for privacy]

[message truncated]




From doc at zwecker.de  Fri Apr 23 16:55:05 2004
From: doc at zwecker.de (Christophe Zwecker)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:55:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman doesnt find existing group
Message-ID: <40892E49.7080403@zwecker.de>

Hi I get the following:

Apr 23 16:45:23 zer00 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to find group name 
courier.  Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, 
providing an existing group name with the command line option 
--with-mail-gid.

well I DO have the group courier, its in group:
courier:*:62:

and courier is running as user/group courier

I dont understand why mailman doesnt see that ?

thx alot for any hints
-- 
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Hamburg, Germany                        fon: +49 179 3994867
http://www.zwecker.de

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From rpyne at kinfolk.org  Fri Apr 23 17:02:50 2004
From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:02:50 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail dropped
In-Reply-To: <20040423111203.GB13935@allhats.xcski.com>
References: 
Message-ID: <4088DBBA.4595.1199168B@localhost>

I got a complaint from a user that a message sent to one of my 
lists just disappeared. My mail logs show that it was delivered 
to mailman and the mailman error log for the time shows:

-------- snip ----------
Apr 22 23:21:13 2004 (693) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' 
codec can't decode byte 0xa2 in position 742: ordinal not in 
range(128)
Apr 22 23:21:13 2004 (693) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, 
in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, 
in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", 
line 61, in _dispose
    self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 
140, in process
    deliveryfunc(mlist, msg, msgdata, envsender, refused, conn)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 
273, in verpdeliver
    Decorate.process(mlist, msgcopy, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 
89, in process
    payload = header + frontsep + oldpayload + endsep + footer
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xa2 in 
position 742: ordinal not in range(128)

Apr 22 23:21:13 2004 (693) SHUNTING: 
1082697671.0348079+db1b243041fa82f44fea663c3f268f2cae5feadc
------- snip -------

I am running Mailman 2.1.1. Any ideas what to look for or what 
to tell the user?

Thanks

--Richard



From mailman_users at teahead.net  Fri Apr 23 19:23:30 2004
From: mailman_users at teahead.net (Jon Quiros)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:23:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] line feed issue with subscribeack.txt for one-way
	list
Message-ID: <40895112.9020708@teahead.net>

OS- OpenBSD 3.4
Mailer- Sendmail 8.12.9
MailMan version- 2.1.4

Hello,
I've been using mailman for several lists very successfully so far, and 
one of them is a one-way list so I'm using the
/var/spool/mailman/lists/mchalertlistnamen/subscribeack.txt file for 
welcome messages.

This works fine except that at the end of the file I have an address 
with phone numbers in the form of
---------
Miss Bla bla bla, Bla Lorem Ipsum
Renoit, Nuveua, 22222
phone: (xxx)345-2345
fax: (xxx)344-3333
=========
but when this welcome message is received by a new subscriber, the end 
of it is all wrapped together, like this:
-----------
Miss Bla bla bla, Bla Lorem Ipsum Renoit, Nuveua, 22222 phone: 
(xxx)345-2345 fax: (xxx)344-3333
-----------
In the file, when I add a blank line between lines, likeso:
======
Miss Bla bla bla, Bla Lorem Ipsum

Renoit, Nuveua, 22222

phone: (xxx)345-2345

fax: (xxx)344-3333
=======
that is what the new subscriber receives.

Why would my single linefeeds be ignored?

I've tried adding a "\n" as the common unix linefeed character but to no 
avail...

Help and/or pointers appreciated to resolve this minor but somewhat 
irritating issue.

Jon Quir?s
Senior Network/Systems Administrator
MCH Group/Georgetown University




From maillists at conactive.com  Fri Apr 23 22:31:34 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:31:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Urgent... Cannot locate Mailing list
In-Reply-To: <001e01c42809$1451ac10$5d773744@tittsworth>
References: <001e01c42809$1451ac10$5d773744@tittsworth>
Message-ID: 

 wrote on Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:28:10 -0400:

> I am the owner/ webmaster of www.imagesofeden.com and just recently,
> the website was moved to a different IP address.
>

sounds like your webhosting service did this. You should contact them.


Kai

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From maillists at conactive.com  Fri Apr 23 22:31:34 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:31:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman doesnt find existing group
In-Reply-To: <40892E49.7080403@zwecker.de>
References: <40892E49.7080403@zwecker.de>
Message-ID: 

Christophe Zwecker wrote on Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:55:05 +0200:

> Apr 23 16:45:23 zer00 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to find group name 
> courier.  Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, 
> providing an existing group name with the command line option 
> --with-mail-gid.
>

Did you provide it as a group name or id?


Kai

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From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Sat Apr 24 03:10:07 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:10:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting caught by SPAM Filters because of Mailman
	handoff
Message-ID: <40895BFF.31678.1B0D8A1@localhost>

Companies are now starting to block Mailman lists (among others) 
because of the way the headers are sent out stating the hand-off to 
the server:

Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] 
helo=mail.python.org)
	by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22)
	id 1BH7Kx-0001vz-7S; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:31:51 
-0400


Anything with that format - they are marking as "probable SPAM"

Any thoughts on how to zap?

Also, as I mine is an announce only list - it would be nice to be able 
to zap the other received from headers and show the message as 
coming directly from the server. One webmail program does it - but 
it cannot send HTML.

Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] 
helo=mail.python.org)
	by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22)
	id 1BH7Kx-0001vz-7S; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:31:51 
-0400
Received: from mydomain.com ([111.111.11.111])
	by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 
1BH7Ko-0001tP-Ph
	for mailman-users at python.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 
16:31:42 -0400


BTW - usim exim as MTA.



Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

No trees were harmed in the transmission of this 
message.
However, a rather large number of electrons were 
temporarily
inconvenienced.



From jwt at OnJapan.net  Sat Apr 24 04:43:15 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:43:15 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] line feed issue with subscribeack.txt for one-way
	list
In-Reply-To: <40895112.9020708@teahead.net>
References: <40895112.9020708@teahead.net>
Message-ID: <20040424024315.GB31053@server.onjapan.net>

On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 01:23:30PM -0400, Jon Quiros wrote:
> I've been using mailman for several lists very successfully so far, and 
> one of them is a one-way list so I'm using the
> /var/spool/mailman/lists/mchalertlistnamen/subscribeack.txt file for 
> welcome messages.
[...]
> but when this welcome message is received by a new subscriber, the end 
> of it is all wrapped together, like this:

I think the text files are wrapped by default.  But another of
the defaults is to honor leading whitespace, so you might try
prefixing each of the lines you don't want wrapped with a space.




From ccrayne at crayne.org  Sat Apr 24 06:24:45 2004
From: ccrayne at crayne.org (Charles A. Crayne)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:24:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirect message from moderated group to
	unmoderated group
Message-ID: <20040423212445.3e3130f0@heimdall.crayne.org>

I run a moderated and an unmoderated list which have about a 90% overlap --
the other 10% being those who wish to avoid the flame wars of the
unmoderated list. If someone flames the moderated list, I would like to
allow it to be posted to the unmoderated list, but not to the moderated
list.

I would prefer a solution which does not require me to re-implement it on
each new release of mailman, but if this is not possible, I would
appreciate as detailed as possible a response on what I need to change.

-- Chuck



From jp at warpix.org  Sat Apr 24 16:41:13 2004
From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:41:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Discarding all held mail
Message-ID: <20040424154113.I23173@warpix.org>

I have let me posted by non-members accumulate over months and now there 
is quite a bit of it. Can I get rid of it all in one go, or do I need to 
discard each post individually?


-- 
John





From devnull at silverdream.org  Sat Apr 24 17:08:20 2004
From: devnull at silverdream.org (Jamie L. Penman-Smithson)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:08:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Messages Not Appearing
References: 
Message-ID: 

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 00:28:22 -0600, Space Coyote scribbled down:
> I am having trouble having anything show up on my lists.  I am receiving
> the mails as forwarded by sendmail, all of the aliases are working.  the
> mail log has none of the typical gid problems.  Everything looks like mail
> is being sent out.

Without any logs - nobody knows what's going on. Mailman logs quite
comprehensively, so see if you can see the mail being sent out and
received by the MTA having been processed by Mailman, see if the mail is
actually getting accepted by Mailman.

It'd help a great deal if you pinpoint exactly where the mail is getting
held up.

The following FAQ entries might help you: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#1.7
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.14

> Looking at the system log file gate_news is being restarted by cron every
> five minutes.  I cannot find any cron processes running though when I
> perform a ps -aux | grep cron except the deamon.  None of my mailman logs
> are being populated except the subscribe list.

I'm unsure as to what you mean by 'daemon', are Mailman's qrunner
processes running?

> My mm_cfg.py file appears to be empty but my Defaults.py contains what I
> need it to.  What am I missing?

You should not use Defaults.py to configure Mailman, instead copy and
paste what you need out of Defaults.py into your mm_cfg.py. The reason for
this is that if you upgrade your version of Mailman, your site
configuration will be completely and irreversibly overwritten. 

HTH

- -- 
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 w: http://www.silverdream.org | p: sms at silverdream.org
 pgp key @ http://silverdream.org/~jps/pub.key
 15:30:01 up 4 days,  5:43, 12 users,  load average: 1.00, 0.77, 0.67

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From texascritter at emaillist-managers.com  Sat Apr 24 17:11:15 2004
From: texascritter at emaillist-managers.com (texas critter)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 10:11:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Discarding all held mail
References: <20040424154113.I23173@warpix.org>
Message-ID: <009c01c42a0e$65137820$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

John Poltorak wrote:

> I have let me posted by non-members accumulate over months and now there
> is quite a bit of it. Can I get rid of it all in one go, or do I need to
> discard each post individually?

If you're using v2.1, the FAQ has the info on how to mass delete pending
messages:

http://python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.026.htp

hth,
texas critter

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From maillists at conactive.com  Sat Apr 24 17:31:33 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:31:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting caught by SPAM Filters because of Mailman
	handoff
In-Reply-To: <40895BFF.31678.1B0D8A1@localhost>
References: <40895BFF.31678.1B0D8A1@localhost>
Message-ID: 

Lloyd F. Tennison wrote on Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:10:07 -0700:

> Companies are now starting to block Mailman lists (among others) 
> because of the way the headers are sent out stating the hand-off to 
> the server:
>

This is not because of Mailman, this is because they misconfigured their 
spam filter. We do run SA and others filters and I usually put all mailing 
lists we receive in the whitelist, but somehow I forgot to do it for this 
list. It's getting thru as clear ham and doesn't have any standard spam 
tagging from SA. If it gets a spam hit, then it's because of the body, not 
the headers and usually it gets BAYES_00 (= ham) for the body.

Kai

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From david at midrange.com  Sat Apr 24 17:38:54 2004
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 10:38:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Discarding all held mail
In-Reply-To: <20040424154113.I23173@warpix.org>
References: <20040424154113.I23173@warpix.org>
Message-ID: 

John Poltorak wrote:
> I have let me posted by non-members accumulate over months and now there 
> is quite a bit of it. Can I get rid of it all in one go, or do I need to 
> discard each post individually?

Check out this patch: 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=810675&group_id=103&atid=300103 
or http://tinyurl.com/2ta25

david


-- 
If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you 
and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have 
an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.

- George Bernard Shaw




From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Sat Apr 24 19:16:55 2004
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:16:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting caught by SPAM Filters because of Mailman
	handoff
In-Reply-To: <40895BFF.31678.1B0D8A1@localhost>
References: <40895BFF.31678.1B0D8A1@localhost>
Message-ID: <2FB99A22-9613-11D8-92AB-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>

On 24 Apr 2004, at 02:10, Lloyd F. Tennison wrote:

> Companies are now starting to block Mailman lists (among others)
> because of the way the headers are sent out stating the hand-off to
> the server:
>
> Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1]
> helo=mail.python.org)
> 	by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22)
> 	id 1BH7Kx-0001vz-7S; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:31:51
> -0400
>
>
> Anything with that format - they are marking as "probable SPAM"
>
> Any thoughts on how to zap?
>

Although I run the outgoing MTA and Mailman on the same machine, my 
Mailman SMTP configuration tells it not to address the MTA using 
localhost (127.0.0.1) but by the FQDN and IP number which appears in 
our globally published MX record for that server. Thus the Received: 
header added by the outbound MTA at this juncture refers to reception 
form a host (itself) which is resolvable via DNS to an MX record by 
MTAs which subsequently handle the message. In that respect, it is thus 
fairly indistinguishable from other Received: headers that precede and 
follow it.

Would this be avoid triggering the approach in anti-spam measures you 
refer to?

> Also, as I mine is an announce only list - it would be nice to be able
> to zap the other received from headers and show the message as
> coming directly from the server. One webmail program does it - but
> it cannot send HTML.
>
> Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1]
> helo=mail.python.org)
> 	by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22)
> 	id 1BH7Kx-0001vz-7S; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:31:51
> -0400
> Received: from mydomain.com ([111.111.11.111])
> 	by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id
> 1BH7Ko-0001tP-Ph
> 	for mailman-users at python.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004
> 16:31:42 -0400
>
>
> BTW - usim exim as MTA.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Lloyd F. Tennison
> lloyd_tennison at whoever.com
>
> No trees were harmed in the transmission of this
> message.
> However, a rather large number of electrons were
> temporarily
> inconvenienced.




From alex61mobile at mail.ru  Sat Apr 24 19:38:33 2004
From: alex61mobile at mail.ru (Alex)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:38:33 +0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Zope at 80 port?
Message-ID: 

Hello All

How install Mailman if Zope at the 80 port is a single web-server at the linux box?
 Can the Zope instance  be used (how?) or  another web-server is mandatory? If another http-server is installed at the  port other than  80  wouldn't it cause problems?
THX in advance.

----
Best regards,
Alexander N. Chelnokov
Ural Scientific Institute of
Traumatology and Orthopaedics
7, Bankovsky str.
Ekaterinburg
620014 Russia






From rodolfo at pilas.net  Sat Apr 24 19:55:30 2004
From: rodolfo at pilas.net (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:55:30 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error  No template file found: 'archidxentry.html'
Message-ID: <1082829329.2029.1.camel@naomi>

I have just migrate my mailman installation 2.1+ to a new server with
2.1.4 and I have problems with a couple of lists that do not process
their messages.  (I have deleted the list and create again but it
continues receive message and do not send it).

I have the following error in the logs/error

Apr 24 03:56:12 2004 (31159) SHUNTING:
1082664620.461622+ac23d23deec9d0de0b2b78422bfc1fb5c6a6c62f
Apr 24 03:56:13 2004 (31159) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 2] No
template file found: 'archidxentry.html'
Apr 24 03:56:13 2004 (31159) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in
_dispose
    mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 216, in
ArchiveMail
    h.close()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 311, in
close
    self.update_dirty_archives()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 527, in
update_dirty_archives
    self.update_archive(i)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1075, in
update_archive
    self.__super_update_archive(archive)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 431, in
update_archive
    self._update_simple_index(hdr, archive, arcdir)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 452, in
_update_simple_index
    self.write_index_entry(article)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1018, in
write_index_entry
    mlist=self.maillist)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 204, in
quick_maketext
    raw=True, mlist=mlist)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 485, in findtext
    raise IOError(errno.ENOENT, 'No template file found', templatefile)
IOError: [Errno 2] No template file found: 'archidxentry.html'

Apr 24 03:56:13 2004 (31159) SHUNTING:
1082665429.6690519+7a21e9a64c3ff7afd1e8af77fca5162c4ff3d42c


I have my system in Spanish.

Do you have any suggestion??

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From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Sat Apr 24 20:00:11 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:00:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting caught by SPAM Filters because of Mailman
	handoff
In-Reply-To: <2FB99A22-9613-11D8-92AB-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>
References: <40895BFF.31678.1B0D8A1@localhost>
Message-ID: <408A48BB.6968.54D9741@localhost>

How did you change the configuration to accomplish that, please.

Copies to:      	mailman-users at python.org, mailman-developers at python.org
From:           	Richard Barrett 
Subject:        	Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting caught by SPAM Filters because of Mailman handoff
Date sent:      	Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:16:55 +0100
To:             	lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

> On 24 Apr 2004, at 02:10, Lloyd F. Tennison wrote:
> 
> > Companies are now starting to block Mailman lists (among others)
> > because of the way the headers are sent out stating the hand-off to
> > the server:
> >
> > Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1]
> > helo=mail.python.org)
> > 	by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22)
> > 	id 1BH7Kx-0001vz-7S; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:31:51
> > -0400
> >
> >
> > Anything with that format - they are marking as "probable SPAM"
> >
> > Any thoughts on how to zap?
> >
> 
> Although I run the outgoing MTA and Mailman on the same machine, my 
> Mailman SMTP configuration tells it not to address the MTA using 
> localhost (127.0.0.1) but by the FQDN and IP number which appears in 
> our globally published MX record for that server. Thus the Received: 
> header added by the outbound MTA at this juncture refers to reception 
> form a host (itself) which is resolvable via DNS to an MX record by 
> MTAs which subsequently handle the message. In that respect, it is thus 
> fairly indistinguishable from other Received: headers that precede and 
> follow it.
> 
> Would this be avoid triggering the approach in anti-spam measures you 
> refer to?
> 
> > Also, as I mine is an announce only list - it would be nice to be able
> > to zap the other received from headers and show the message as
> > coming directly from the server. One webmail program does it - but
> > it cannot send HTML.
> >
> > Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1]
> > helo=mail.python.org)
> > 	by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22)
> > 	id 1BH7Kx-0001vz-7S; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:31:51
> > -0400
> > Received: from mydomain.com ([111.111.11.111])
> > 	by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id
> > 1BH7Ko-0001tP-Ph
> > 	for mailman-users at python.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004
> > 16:31:42 -0400
> >
> >
> > BTW - usim exim as MTA.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Lloyd F. Tennison
> > lloyd_tennison at whoever.com
> >
> > No trees were harmed in the transmission of this
> > message.
> > However, a rather large number of electrons were
> > temporarily
> > inconvenienced.
> 


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
inconvenienced.




From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Sat Apr 24 20:21:52 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:21:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error No template file found: 'archidxentry.html'
In-Reply-To: <1082829329.2029.1.camel@naomi>
Message-ID: <408A4DD0.5893.5616F37@localhost>

Should be in your Mailman/templates folder.  If not, put it back in 
and try again.  

From:           	Rodolfo Pilas 
To:             	mailman-users at python.org
Organization:   	RootWay
Date sent:      	Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:55:30 -0300
Subject:        	[Mailman-Users] error  No template file found: 'archidxentry.html'

> I have just migrate my mailman installation 2.1+ to a new server with
> 2.1.4 and I have problems with a couple of lists that do not process
> their messages.  (I have deleted the list and create again but it
> continues receive message and do not send it).
> 
> I have the following error in the logs/error
> 
> Apr 24 03:56:12 2004 (31159) SHUNTING:
> 1082664620.461622+ac23d23deec9d0de0b2b78422bfc1fb5c6a6c62f
> Apr 24 03:56:13 2004 (31159) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 2] No
> template file found: 'archidxentry.html'
> Apr 24 03:56:13 2004 (31159) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in
> _dispose
>     mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 216, in
> ArchiveMail
>     h.close()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 311, in
> close
>     self.update_dirty_archives()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 527, in
> update_dirty_archives
>     self.update_archive(i)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1075, in
> update_archive
>     self.__super_update_archive(archive)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 431, in
> update_archive
>     self._update_simple_index(hdr, archive, arcdir)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 452, in
> _update_simple_index
>     self.write_index_entry(article)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1018, in
> write_index_entry
>     mlist=self.maillist)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 204, in
> quick_maketext
>     raw=True, mlist=mlist)
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 485, in findtext
>     raise IOError(errno.ENOENT, 'No template file found', templatefile)
> IOError: [Errno 2] No template file found: 'archidxentry.html'
> 
> Apr 24 03:56:13 2004 (31159) SHUNTING:
> 1082665429.6690519+7a21e9a64c3ff7afd1e8af77fca5162c4ff3d42c
> 
> 
> I have my system in Spanish.
> 
> Do you have any suggestion??
> 
> -- 
>  Rodolfo Pilas              Quien los puso a estos tipos donde estan,
>  rodolfo at pilas.net          Quien los deja seguir en su lugar,
>  http://rodolfo.pilas.net   Quien los baja ahora de su altar,
>  Yahoo ID: ysidorito        Quien les paga para que hagan lo que haran
>  ICQ: 17461636              -=# Apocalipsis Now % Cuarteto de Nos #=-
>       
> GnuPG Public Key: gpg --keyserver www.keyserver.net --recv-key 57153363 
> Key Fingerprint  =>  DAAE 3246 3F7D A420 B7A0  48A5 D120 C773 5715 3363
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
inconvenienced.




From paul at thcwd.com  Sat Apr 24 20:33:20 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:33:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Getting caught by SPAM Filters because of
	Mailman handoff
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040424131903.01f85ec0@127.0.0.1>

On 11:00 AM 4/24/2004, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
>Companies are now starting to block Mailman lists (among others)
>because of the way the headers are sent out stating the hand-off to
>the server:

      I fear that mail lists will become an increasingly common victim of 
"friendly fire" in the war against spam.  The better a system is at getting 
rid of spam, the more false positives it causes.  Additionally many spam 
filters are not configured intelligently, often because the person who 
installed the system just did it "out of the box" and walked away.
      While I am all for the Mailman developers making reasonable efforts 
to avoid mm lists being caught as spam, the only real solution if for the 
folks setting up the spam filters, and the folks behind such filters, to 
get a clue.  The responsibility must be on the receiver, not the sender.
      An example:  I just got a message to a moderated list.  It an 
automated message from the spam block system for someone who signed up for 
the list.  The message said:

Here's all you have to do:

1. Press Reply.
2. In the body of the reply, type in my AntiSpam Passcode contained in the 
graphical attachment.
3. Press Send.

      Right.  Like I want to do that.  Like I can even get the image in the 
attachment on a list that strips attachments.  The clueless person who 
signed up for the list will just have to wonder why he is not getting list 
mail.

      My suggestion to the developers?  Add a reject option to the pending 
page that reads "You will not receive list mail because you are too stupid".

<>< Paul





From texascritter at emaillist-managers.com  Sat Apr 24 22:15:36 2004
From: texascritter at emaillist-managers.com (texas critter)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:15:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting caught by SPAM Filters because of
	Mailmanhandoff
References: <40895BFF.31678.1B0D8A1@localhost>
	<408A48BB.6968.54D9741@localhost>
Message-ID: <01d301c42a38$e9440220$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Lloyd F. Tennison wrote:

> How did you change the configuration to accomplish that, please.

Me too, please.  I don't know if any of my lists are getting blocked by
this or not but using a FQDN with resovable MX is always a good idea.

hth,
texas critter

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From texascritter at ditb.net  Sat Apr 24 22:20:54 2004
From: texascritter at ditb.net (texas critter)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:20:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cpanel is trying to work on a couple of
	MailmanIssues - but We Need Help
References: <4085CBDD.3941.AB4062@localhost>
Message-ID: <01d801c42a39$a57aafc0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Lloyd F. Tennison wrote:

> We have the senior programmer at Cpanel trying to solve a couple
> of issues,
> *   that no uncaught bounces exist with lists with over 20,000
>     (obviously wrong) with personalization on.
> *   That Challenge/Verfiies disappear with personalization on, etc.

Lloyd, are you getting uncaught bounces on lists *under* 20,000 list
members?  After you posted about this problem, I set up a filter in my
email to catch *any* uncaught bounce notices on all Mailman lists I run or
help run.  And I'm not seeing *any* uncaught bounces even on my 1,200+ list
which usually generates at least a few AOL "this user is not accepting mail
from" messages and there have been a bunch of posts to that list and I've
got nothing.

I'm on cPanel too, I'm wondering if this is a cPanel bug in Mailman that's
affecting *all* lists?

Is there any further info from them about this issue?  And I guess I'll
wander over to the cPanel forums and see if there's any news there...

hth,
texas critter

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From mailman_users at teahead.net  Sat Apr 24 23:25:10 2004
From: mailman_users at teahead.net (mailman_users at teahead.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:25:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] line feed issue with subscribeack.txt for one-way
	list
In-Reply-To: <20040424024315.GB31053@server.onjapan.net>
References: <40895112.9020708@teahead.net>
	<20040424024315.GB31053@server.onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <408ADB36.1080804@teahead.net>



Jim Tittsler wrote:

>
>I think the text files are wrapped by default.  But another of
>the defaults is to honor leading whitespace, so you might try
>prefixing each of the lines you don't want wrapped with a space.
>  
>
Thank you!  Adding a single whitespace at the beginning of the lines worked.





From barry at python.org  Sun Apr 25 05:47:34 2004
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:47:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 release candidate 2
Message-ID: <1082864853.29380.35.camel@anthem.wooz.org>

I've just uploaded Mailman 2.1.5 release candidate 2 (no, you never saw
rc1 :).  Since there are some fairly significant changes with this
version, I felt it was necessary to put out a release candidate to
hopefully prompt some additional testing.

If you're able to test the new version, that would be great, but please
note that:

      * The file format for on-disk messages in the qrunners has
        changed.  Until now, each queued message was represented by two
        files, a .msg and a .pck file.  With this version, all
        information is kept in the .pck file.  This improves stability
        and performance.  The upgrade script will attempt to convert all
        your existing .msg/.pck files to the single .pck file, but there
        may still be lurking problems with this conversion.
      * The pending database has been changed from a global pickle file
        living in $prefix/data, to a unique pickle file per mailing
        list.  The upgrade script attempts to determine which list each
        pending request belongs to, but it isn't always possible to
        know, so while it does the best it can, there may still be
        lurking problems with this conversion.

If you upgrade you should do so only on a quiet system.  I recommend
shutting down Mailman, your MTA, and your web server before doing the
upgrade.  Please note any problems you have with the conversion scripts
(you may want to make backups first ;).

My thanks for not letting the above discourage you from testing the new
version. :)  I think the improvements in 2.1.5 are worth it, and based
on experiences running python.org, the new version should be quite
stable once installed.

I plan to release 2.1.5 final sometime next weekend.
-Barry

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From jimmi at darkwave.se  Sun Apr 25 07:18:49 2004
From: jimmi at darkwave.se (Jimmi Pennerup)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 07:18:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script not found...
Message-ID: <408B4A39.8050900@darkwave.se>

Hi.
I've tried to get Mailman running, everything seems to be in order exept 
that I cant get the www interface to work. I keep get this error message 
in apaches errorlog:

[Sun Apr 25 07:48:13 2004] [error] [client 192.168.0.11] script not 
found or unable to stat: /usr/local/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/create

Have anyone had this problem before?.. 

//Jimmi



From lwm at cs.indiana.edu  Sun Apr 25 07:47:47 2004
From: lwm at cs.indiana.edu (Larry Meehan)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:47:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Senddigests fails with HeaderParseError
In-Reply-To: <408041FA.4050503@indiana.edu>
References: <408041FA.4050503@indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <408B5103.30705@cs.indiana.edu>

Greetings list members,

I thought I had sent this message earlier, but I don't see it in the 
archives.  Forgive me if you have already seen it.

-------------- Previous Message -----------------

I did a search of the list on HeaderParseError and didn't find an answer 
to this.
I'm running mailman 2.1.4.

I just had senddigests fail due to this "From: " line:

   From: =?Windows-1251?B?wuvg5Ojs6PAgyvDg8e7i8ero6Q?= 


I deleted the character set specification and the digest was sent 
successfully.
Has anyone else seen this?  Even if the charset is bogus, mailman 
shouldn't bomb.

The error I got was:

Traceback (most recent call last):
 File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
   main()
 File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
   mlist.send_digest_now()
 File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now
   ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
 File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 132, in 
send_digests
   send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
 File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 225, in 
send_i18n_digests
   addresses = getaddresses([oneline(msg.get('from', ''), lcset)])
 File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 389, in 
oneline
   h = make_header(decode_header(s))
 File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 113, in 
decode_header
   raise HeaderParseError
email.Errors.HeaderParseError




From j at ida.interface-business.de  Sun Apr 25 11:24:37 2004
From: j at ida.interface-business.de (Joerg Wunsch)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 11:24:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 release candidate 2
In-Reply-To: <1082864853.29380.35.camel@anthem.wooz.org>;
	from barry@python.org on Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 11:47:34PM -0400
References: <1082864853.29380.35.camel@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20040425112437.A7897@ida.interface-business.de>

As Barry Warsaw wrote:

> I've just uploaded Mailman 2.1.5 release candidate 2 (no, you never saw
> rc1 :).  Since there are some fairly significant changes with this
> version, I felt it was necessary to put out a release candidate to
> hopefully prompt some additional testing.

Is there any chance to get a statement about my ysuggestion in

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg23924.html

IMHO, it's really fixing a bug.

(Should I have sent that to the developers list instead?)
-- 
J"org Wunsch					       Unix support engineer
joerg_wunsch at interface-systems.de        http://www.interface-systems.de/~j/



From dkiner at net2one.com  Sun Apr 25 12:09:33 2004
From: dkiner at net2one.com (David Kiner)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:09:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.4 + postfix 2.0.16
Message-ID: 

Hi, I run this config on a FreeBSD 4.9
Postifx is installed with mysql support for virtual domains.

I have an error and i didn't find the answer in the FAQ.

The installation was successfull.
I created a mailing list. It appears in /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.

When I created the ML, i received the mail from ff-bounces at mydomain.com wich
said :
" The mailing list `ff' has just been created for you. The following is some
basic information about your mailing list....."
So it looks like good.
I can subscribe via web interface and do all operations successfully.


The problem is that if I want to register by the email command "
ff-subscribe at mydomain.com "
I receive the error:  Remote host said: 550 :
User unknown in virtual mailbox table

# ls -l aliases:
-rw-rw-rw-  1 mailman  mailman   8618 Apr  5 18:10 aliases

# tail aliases:
# STANZA START: ff
# CREATED: Mon Apr  5 18:10:53 2004
ff:             "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post ff"
ff-admin:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin ff"
ff-bounces:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces ff"
ff-confirm:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm ff"
ff-join:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join ff"
ff-leave:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave ff"
ff-owner:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner ff"
ff-request:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request ff"
ff-subscribe:   "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe ff"
ff-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe ff"
# STANZA END: ff

my postfix conf:
alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
alias_maps = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
append_dot_mydomain = no
command_directory = /usr/local/sbin
config_directory = /usr/local/etc/postfix
daemon_directory = /usr/local/libexec/postfix
debug_peer_list = jewpedia.com
default_rbl_reply = $rbl_code Service unavailable; $rbl_class [$rbl_what]
blocked using $rbl_domain${rbl_reason?; $rbl_reason}debug_peer_list =
jewpedia.com
local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps
mail_spool_directory = /var/mail/virtual
mailq_path = /usr/local/bin/mailq
manpage_directory = /usr/local/man
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain
mydomain = toto.com
myhostname = mail.toto.com
mynetworks_style = subnet
myorigin = $mydomain
newaliases_path = /usr/local/bin/newaliases
owner_request_special = no
readme_directory = no
recipient_delimiter = +
relay_domains = $mydestination, $transport_maps
sample_directory = /usr/local/etc/postfix
sendmail_path = /usr/local/sbin/sendmail
setgid_group = maildrop
smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550
virtual_alias_maps = hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman,
mysql:/usr/local/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf
virtual_gid_maps = static:1001
virtual_mailbox_base = /var/mail/virtual
virtual_mailbox_domains =
mysql:/usr/local/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf
virtual_mailbox_limit = 51200000
virtual_mailbox_maps =
mysql:/usr/local/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf
virtual_minimum_uid = 1002
virtual_transport = virtual
virtual_uid_maps = static:1002
############################################################################
###

My file: /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman is empty !!??
# ls -l virtual-mailman:
-rw-rw-rw-  1 root     mailman      0 Apr  4 13:28 virtual-mailman

I didn't see any error in the mailman log (/usr/local/mailman/logs/)

If you could help me, ....

regards


David KINER


From maillists at conactive.com  Sun Apr 25 12:31:28 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:31:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script not found...
In-Reply-To: <408B4A39.8050900@darkwave.se>
References: <408B4A39.8050900@darkwave.se>
Message-ID: 

Jimmi Pennerup wrote on Sun, 25 Apr 2004 07:18:49 +0200:

> [Sun Apr 25 07:48:13 2004] [error] [client 192.168.0.11] script not 
> found or unable to stat: /usr/local/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/create
>

I assume the script resides there and Apache is allowed to run it as a 
script? Check if the path in the script to python or any other 
included/required programs is correct.


Kai

-- 

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Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From cranford at allstream.net  Sun Apr 25 17:27:41 2004
From: cranford at allstream.net (Mark Cranford)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 11:27:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Topic Configuration Selection of Names
Message-ID: <408BD8ED.3A6C716B@allstream.net>

Greetings

I tried to post this to a Mailman list-owner list (LO at listowner.org) a
couple of days ago.

I'm the list owner of birding watch list in Ontario. Our host is
community outreach network and our software is Mailman 2.1.1.

Has anyone used the Topic option?  I've been unable to locate (google
searches etc) any documentation. 

I'm thinking that I can search the subject header and first couple of
lines of a message for matches from a list of bird names (some could
be two or three words) placed in the regexp section. 


-- 
Mark Cranford
Ontbirds List-Owner
cranford  AT allstream DOT  net
Mississauga,  Ontario



From jimmi at darkwave.se  Sun Apr 25 17:40:42 2004
From: jimmi at darkwave.se (Jimmi Pennerup)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 17:40:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script not found...
In-Reply-To: 
References: <408B4A39.8050900@darkwave.se>
	
Message-ID: <408BDBFA.2050708@darkwave.se>

Kai Schaetzl wrote:

>Jimmi Pennerup wrote on Sun, 25 Apr 2004 07:18:49 +0200:
>
>  
>
>>[Sun Apr 25 07:48:13 2004] [error] [client 192.168.0.11] script not 
>>found or unable to stat: /usr/local/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/create
>>
>>    
>>
>
>I assume the script resides there and Apache is allowed to run it as a 
>script? Check if the path in the script to python or any other 
>included/required programs is correct.
>
>
>Kai
>
>  
>
This happens when i try the path that apache are complaining about:

# /usr/local/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/create
Content-type: text/html
[snip... lots of html]

so I guess that the path is correc and that the create file works. 
and just to be sure that apache has exec rights I've done a chmod 777 on 
the cgi-bin directory.

this is what I have in my httpd.conf:

Alias /pipermail/ "/var/spool/mailman/archives/public/"


    AddDefaultCharset Off


ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/


    AllowOverride All
    Options +ExecCGI
    AddHandler cgi-script *
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all


I've put my apacheserver on port 8003 but I guess that wont make any 
difference in this case..  but I've changed default.py:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'domain.se'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.domain.se'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:8003/mailman/'

and of  coz mm_cfg.py:

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

I think that's all my config changes..   I hope someone can help me 
solve the puzzle..  =)..

//Jimmi



From texascritter at emaillist-managers.com  Sun Apr 25 18:13:30 2004
From: texascritter at emaillist-managers.com (texas critter)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 11:13:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script not found...
References: <408B4A39.8050900@darkwave.se>
	<408BDBFA.2050708@darkwave.se>
Message-ID: <017d01c42ae0$4141f8e0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Jimmi Pennerup wrote:

> so I guess that the path is correc and that the create file works.
> and just to be sure that apache has exec rights I've done a chmod 777 on
> the cgi-bin directory.

That may be the problem?  Setting a cgi-bin to 777 can trigger a security
issue.  Try setting it to 755 instead and see if it works?

hth,
texas critter

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From webolutionary at webolutionary.com  Sun Apr 25 18:52:29 2004
From: webolutionary at webolutionary.com (Sean Robertson)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:52:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Access subscription list via PHP?
Message-ID: <059901c42ae5$b5247800$dff5f6ce@WEBOLUTIONARY>

I have a PHP form set up that I'd like to be able to use to subscribe people
to the mailing list.  The problem is tha they might already be signed up to
the list, so just sending an email to the listserve is not a very clean
solution.  Is there any way to access the memberlist via PHP and find out if
someone has already signed up or not so it doesn't try to do it again if
they already have?



Sean Robertson
webolutionary at webolutionary.com
http://www.webolutionary.com
http://www.tidewater4dean.org

"Great is the glory, for the strife is hard."
     -- Wordsworth

"A doctor can bury his mistakes; an architect can only advise his clients to
plant vines."
     -- Frank Lloyd Wright




From maillists at conactive.com  Sun Apr 25 19:31:29 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:31:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script not found...
In-Reply-To: <408BDBFA.2050708@darkwave.se>
References: <408B4A39.8050900@darkwave.se>
	
	<408BDBFA.2050708@darkwave.se>
Message-ID: 

Jimmi Pennerup wrote on Sun, 25 Apr 2004 17:40:42 +0200:

> 
>     AllowOverride All
>     Options +ExecCGI
>     AddHandler cgi-script *
>     Order allow,deny
>     Allow from all
> 
>

Hm, I simply use a ScriptAlias in the VirtualHost, excerpt:

DocumentRoot "/usr/local/mailman"
ScriptAlias    /mailman/   /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias      /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/

   Options +FollowSymLinks




Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From maillists at conactive.com  Sun Apr 25 19:31:29 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:31:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script not found...
In-Reply-To: <017d01c42ae0$4141f8e0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
References: <408B4A39.8050900@darkwave.se>
	
	<408BDBFA.2050708@darkwave.se>
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Texas critter wrote on Sun, 25 Apr 2004 11:13:30 -0500:

> That may be the problem?  Setting a cgi-bin to 777 can trigger a security
> issue.  Try setting it to 755 instead and see if it works?
>

Indeed, check the suexec.log file, if there are any warnings/errors.
User and Group have either to match against the Apache user or against the 
User/Group directive you use.


Kai

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From paulp at improving.org  Sun Apr 25 22:06:50 2004
From: paulp at improving.org (Paul Phillips)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 13:06:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exporting real name list
Message-ID: 

I have a mailing list where real names are quite important.  I need to be
able to output the entire list of member addresses alongside their real
names.  I imagined list_members would have a flag to do this now that real
names are stored somewhere, but I can't see a way to do it.  The web
interface does not seem to provide any way to see the entire membership at
once or I could probably parse it out of the HTML (though that would seem
to be needlessly laborious.) Am I missing something simple?

Mailman is on debian stable, but running version 2.1.4-1.backports.org.1
from backports.org.  Thanks much for any assistance.

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From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Sun Apr 25 22:18:20 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (lloyd_tennison at whoever.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 13:18:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exporting real name list
Message-ID: 

Yes.  Send a message to the list-requestt with the subject who and the list passwrod, i.e.:


to:mailman-users-request at python.org

Subject: who listpassword


THis will email it back to you, Names and email addresses.  From ther you can take it to a word processor and do anything you want with it.

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>I have a mailing list where real names are quite important.  I need to be
>able to output the entire list of member addresses alongside their real
>names.  I imagined list_members would have a flag to do this now that real
>names are stored somewhere, but I can't see a way to do it.  The web
>interface does not seem to provide any way to see the entire membership at
>once or I could probably parse it out of the HTML (though that would seem
>to be needlessly laborious.) Am I missing something simple?
>
>Mailman is on debian stable, but running version 2.1.4-1.backports.org.1
>from backports.org.  Thanks much for any assistance.
>
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From dmpadilla at mindspring.com  Sun Apr 25 22:18:32 2004
From: dmpadilla at mindspring.com (David Padilla)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 13:18:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <059901c42ae5$b5247800$dff5f6ce@WEBOLUTIONARY>
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-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Sean Robertson
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 9:52 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Access subscription list via PHP?


I have a PHP form set up that I'd like to be able to use to subscribe people
to the mailing list.  The problem is tha they might already be signed up to
the list, so just sending an email to the listserve is not a very clean
solution.  Is there any way to access the memberlist via PHP and find out if
someone has already signed up or not so it doesn't try to do it again if
they already have?



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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sun Apr 25 22:40:22 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:40:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exporting real name list
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20040425204022.GG17824@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Paul Phillips wrote:
> I have a mailing list where real names are quite important.  I need
> to be able to output the entire list of member addresses alongside
> their real names.  I imagined list_members would have a flag to do
> this now that real names are stored somewhere, but I can't see a way
> to do it.

$ list_members -h | grep -i names
    --fullnames / -f
        Include the full names in the output.

> The web interface does not seem to provide any way to see the entire
> membership at once or I could probably parse it out of the HTML
> (though that would seem to be needlessly laborious.)

In addition to the who command that Lloyd noted, you can also get the
full membership list via the web interface on the listinfo page.  I
really don't know why this isn't also linked in the admin GUI, but
it's not.

> Am I missing something simple?

Hopefully you just overlooked the -f option and it does what you want.

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From paulp at improving.org  Sun Apr 25 22:46:16 2004
From: paulp at improving.org (Paul Phillips)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 13:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exporting real name list
In-Reply-To: <20040425204022.GG17824@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2004, Todd wrote:

> $ list_members -h | grep -i names
>     --fullnames / -f
>         Include the full names in the output.

Heh, yes, that's exactly what I had expected to find.  I made the classic
rookie error of expecting the man page to be up to date.  The version
installed on my system includes only these options in man list_member:

OPTIONS
       -o file, --output file
              Write output to specified file instead of standard out.

       -r, --regular
              Print just the regular (non-digest) members.

       -d, --digest
              Print just the digest members.

       -p, --preserve
              Output  member  addresses case preserved the way they were added
              to the list.  Otherwise, addresses are printed in all lowercase.

       -h, --help
              Print a small help text and exit

Thanks for the reminder that documentation usually trails embedded help by
some substantial delta.

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From hozyurt at hacettepe.edu.tr  Sat Apr 24 02:36:17 2004
From: hozyurt at hacettepe.edu.tr (hozyurt at hacettepe.edu.tr)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 03:36:17 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Sun ONE/iPlanet Messenger
Message-ID: <197871a03a.1a03a19787@hacettepe.edu.tr>

i have configure mailman from  this page 
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-October/023438.html 
on iplanet.but i send a mail "test" mailling list that is return a error that 
is "unknown or illegal alias".How could i solve this problem?

Regards..
Thanks..





From rodolfo at pilas.net  Sat Apr 24 08:58:23 2004
From: rodolfo at pilas.net (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 03:58:23 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error  No template file found: 'archidxentry.html'
Message-ID: <1082789903.1468.32.camel@naomi>

I have just migrate my mailman installation 2.1+ to a new server with
2.1.4 and I have problems with a couple of lists that do not process
their messages.  (I have deleted the list and create again but it
continues receive message and do not send it).

I have the following error in the logs/error

Apr 24 03:56:12 2004 (31159) SHUNTING:
1082664620.461622+ac23d23deec9d0de0b2b78422bfc1fb5c6a6c62f
Apr 24 03:56:13 2004 (31159) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 2] No
template file found: 'archidxentry.html'
Apr 24 03:56:13 2004 (31159) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in
_dispose
    mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 216, in
ArchiveMail
    h.close()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 311, in
close
    self.update_dirty_archives()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 527, in
update_dirty_archives
    self.update_archive(i)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1075, in
update_archive
    self.__super_update_archive(archive)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 431, in
update_archive
    self._update_simple_index(hdr, archive, arcdir)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 452, in
_update_simple_index
    self.write_index_entry(article)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1018, in
write_index_entry
    mlist=self.maillist)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 204, in
quick_maketext
    raw=True, mlist=mlist)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 485, in findtext
    raise IOError(errno.ENOENT, 'No template file found', templatefile)
IOError: [Errno 2] No template file found: 'archidxentry.html'

Apr 24 03:56:13 2004 (31159) SHUNTING:
1082665429.6690519+7a21e9a64c3ff7afd1e8af77fca5162c4ff3d42c


I have my sistem in Spanish.

Do you have any suggestion??

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From czwecker at sysctl.de  Sat Apr 24 12:42:31 2004
From: czwecker at sysctl.de (Christophe Zwecker)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:42:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman doesnt find existing group
In-Reply-To: 
References: <40892E49.7080403@zwecker.de>
	
Message-ID: <408A4497.8060307@sysctl.de>

Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> Christophe Zwecker wrote on Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:55:05 +0200:
> 
> 
>>Apr 23 16:45:23 zer00 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to find group name 
>>courier.  Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, 
>>providing an existing group name with the command line option 
>>--with-mail-gid.
>>
> 
> 
> Did you provide it as a group name or id?

I tried both when I try gid it correctly finds it to be group courier at 
configure.
im kinda lost

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From stevbeck at cyberport.net  Sat Apr 24 16:17:04 2004
From: stevbeck at cyberport.net (Steven and Becca)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 08:17:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman support
Message-ID: 

  I need a professional to help setup my mailman.

 Make it send with proper headers.   Send out to my 90,000 list good.
 Get bounces back proper,,  handle them correctly.

 Double opt in,, easy opt out.

 Let me know if you know someone who wants the job.

 Thank You, Steven Rapelje




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sat Apr 24 23:15:12 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:15:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting caught by SPAM Filters because of
	Mailmanhandoff
In-Reply-To: <01d301c42a38$e9440220$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
References: <40895BFF.31678.1B0D8A1@localhost>
	<408A48BB.6968.54D9741@localhost>
	<01d301c42a38$e9440220$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>
Message-ID: <796DD288-9634-11D8-92AB-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 24 Apr 2004, at 21:15, texas critter wrote:

> Lloyd F. Tennison wrote:
>
>> How did you change the configuration to accomplish that, please.
>

In my MM configuration file $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py I have:

SMTPHOST = 'FQDN-of-the-server'

to override the default setting in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py, which 
is:

SMTPHOST = 'localhost'

> Me too, please.  I don't know if any of my lists are getting blocked by
> this or not but using a FQDN with resovable MX is always a good idea.
>
> hth,
> texas critter
>
> --
> EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sat Apr 24 23:48:46 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:48:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Zope at 80 port?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <29819F19-9639-11D8-92AB-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 24 Apr 2004, at 18:38, Alex wrote:

> Hello All
>
> How install Mailman if Zope at the 80 port is a single web-server at 
> the linux box?
>  Can the Zope instance  be used (how?) or  another web-server is 
> mandatory? If another http-server is installed at the  port other than 
>  80  wouldn't it cause problems?
> THX in advance.
>

Any HTTP server is potentially usable for Mailman if it can:

1. run scripts conforming to the Common Gateway Interface (CGI), so 
that Mailman's web GUI interface scripts can get run.

2. serve static HTML pages from the file system, so that pages which 
have been generated by MM's built-in pipermail archiver can be 
delivered (assuming you want to use those archiving facilities of MM)

but you may have to figure out how to set up your chosen HTTP server's 
configuration file to get thing working unless it uses the same sort of 
settings as Apache.

BUT, as far as I know, Zope is not a general purpose HTTP server which 
will run CGI scripts or deliver static HTML pages in this way; rather 
it can be characterised as a specialised application framework that 
offers an HTTP interface.

You are right about not being able to have two HTTP servers listening 
on the same port for incoming connections but running a second (Apache 
for instance) server on an alternative port number, such as 8080, and 
delivering Mailman's web interface and archive through this is no 
fundamental problem; you just have to get the Apache and Mailman 
configuration files set up right.

Personally, and for a variety of reasons including my views/concerns 
about web server security, I would run Apache on port 80, in which case 
the Mailman stuff becomes no problem, and have Apache proxy incoming 
requests destined for Zope; I believe this approach to running Zope 
behind Apache is not uncommon, can be done in several ways and is 
documented in the Zope source release files but do not cite me on this 
view - check for yourself, search the archives of or post to a Zope 
support list.

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> Traumatology and Orthopaedics
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> 620014 Russia




From python.org at daveola.com  Sun Apr 25 12:48:19 2004
From: python.org at daveola.com (David Ljung Madison)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:48:19
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Logs ownership keeps changing
Message-ID: 

The ownership of my logs files keep changing and then becoming unwriteable
(giving me the old "Permission Denied" traceback).

I've run check_perms -f.  I know all about that.  And then the ownership
is setup just fine.  But then a few days later, the ownership has changed
and I start getting errors again.

Mailman 2.1.4
Debian Woody
Apache
Exim

I tried compiling with other users but this setup is the one
that sends out email and has working archives and CGI.

Permissions after check_perms -f:

-rw-rw-r--    1 list     mailman         0 Apr 25 07:37 bounce
-rw-rw-r--    1 list     mailman         0 Apr 25 07:37 error
-rw-rw-r--    1 apache   mailman       282 Apr 21 06:57 mischief
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      1584 Apr 25 09:35 post
-rw-rw-r--    1 list     mailman         0 Apr 25 07:37 qrunner
-rw-rw-r--    1 list     mailman         0 Apr 25 07:37 smtp
-rw-rw-r--    1 apache   mailman      6728 Apr 24 22:33 subscribe
-rw-rw-r--    1 list     mailman         0 Apr 25 07:37 vette

Permissions after a few days:

-rw-rw-r--    1 list     list            0 Apr 25 07:37 bounce
-rw-rw-r--    1 list     list            0 Apr 25 07:37 error
-rw-rw-r--    1 apache   mailman       282 Apr 21 06:57 mischief
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      1584 Apr 25 09:35 post
-rw-rw-r--    1 list     list            0 Apr 25 07:37 qrunner
-rw-rw-r--    1 list     list            0 Apr 25 07:37 smtp
-rw-rw-r--    1 apache   mailman      6728 Apr 24 22:33 subscribe
-rw-rw-r--    1 list     list            0 Apr 25 07:37 vette

The permissions that get changed each time I run check_perms -f are:

/usr/local/mailman/logs/error bad group (has: list, expected mailman) (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/logs/qrunner bad group (has: list, expected mailman) (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp bad group (has: list, expected mailman) (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/logs/vette bad group (has: list, expected mailman) (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/logs/bounce bad group (has: list, expected mailman) (fixing)

Dave

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From ahgomez at dc.uba.ar  Fri Apr 23 19:47:11 2004
From: ahgomez at dc.uba.ar (Alejandro Gomez)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:47:11 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cc problem
Message-ID: <4089569F.7050307@dc.uba.ar>

hello:
I've the same problem.
Did you find the way to fix it?
thanks in advance

you wrote:


List Users, I have just installed mailman on my linux box to support a 
number of (mostly) announcement-only lists. I've followed the FAQ 
regarding making my lists announce-only and everything seems to work 
apart from one thing - when the message arrives with the recipient it 
has the short description of the list and the list e-mail address in the 
cc field of the message. Here's an example of a message header: 
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:05:21 +0000 From: culturepromotions at 
lists.cuttlefish.com 
 To: info at 
cuttlefish.com  
Cc: "The latest news from dub and reggae promotor Culture Promotions (1 
or 2 messages per week)." > 
Reply-to: mailouts at culturepromotions.com 
 The "from", "to" 
and "reply-to" are correct but I really don't want that CC line there! 
Anybody able to help me get rid of it? Thanks, Sean



From pjh at mccc.edu  Fri Apr 23 21:46:36 2004
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:46:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for a mailing list provider
Message-ID: 

I no longer have appropriate privileges on the system where
I have my mailing list -- and the admins are being less
than cooperative -- so I would like suggestions as to where
I might move the list.

It has 350-400 members and is not expected to grow. Traffic 
is around 10-15 messages per day.

Thanks.




From dscott at cloud9.net  Sat Apr 24 01:24:24 2004
From: dscott at cloud9.net (Dan Scott)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:24:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <026201c42996$44802ae0$0200005a@dan>

Hi there,

Do you have an easy way to install mailman on a server?  I don't know anything about unex.

Dan Scott
http://appad.org/


From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Sun Apr 25 22:57:33 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:57:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exporting real name list
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<20040425204022.GG17824@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
	
Message-ID: <20040425205733.GH17824@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Paul Phillips wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Apr 2004, Todd wrote:
>
>> $ list_members -h | grep -i names
>>     --fullnames / -f
>>         Include the full names in the output.
>
> Heh, yes, that's exactly what I had expected to find.  I made the
> classic rookie error of expecting the man page to be up to date.

Ahh, yep, I know that trick well.

> The version installed on my system includes only these options in
> man list_member:
[...]
> Thanks for the reminder that documentation usually trails embedded
> help by some substantial delta.

The man page installed is added by the Debian packager and isn't part
of the standard Mailman distribution.  Perhaps you could let the
Debian Mailman packager know so they can update the manpage making it
more accurate and less apt to catch someone else.  You'll get karma
points for it I imagine.

- -- 
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to rule.
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From maillists at conactive.com  Mon Apr 26 00:31:33 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 00:31:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why am I getting this list from two addresses?
Message-ID: 

I get mail for this list from these two:

mailman-users-bounces+maillists=conactive.com at python.org
mailman-users-bounces at python.org

Why?

Kai

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From maillists at conactive.com  Mon Apr 26 00:31:33 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 00:31:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 release candidate 2
In-Reply-To: <1082864853.29380.35.camel@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <1082864853.29380.35.camel@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: 

Barry Warsaw wrote on Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:47:34 -0400:

> If you upgrade you should do so only on a quiet system.  I recommend
> shutting down Mailman, your MTA, and your web server before doing the
> upgrade.  Please note any problems you have with the conversion scripts
> (you may want to make backups first ;).
>

Well, is there anything one needs to do in addition to the usual make 
process when you install it first-time? The UPGRADING instructions are 
from last year and are not for 2.1.4 -> 2.1.5. "make upgrade" still a 
valid option to use?

Kai

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From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Mon Apr 26 00:48:35 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 00:48:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why am I getting this list from two addresses?
References: 
Message-ID: 

"Kai Schaetzl" schrieb:

> I get mail for this list from these two:
>
> mailman-users-bounces+maillists=conactive.com at python.org

That is a VERPed address.

> mailman-users-bounces at python.org

That is the normal bounce address.

> Why?

For better identification of your address if a mail to you bounces. If
you forward your mail to another account, perhaps one won't be able to
get your subscription address from the bounce. If your address is
encoded in the envelope sender (as in the first example), one can
always identifiy bounces from your address.

As that is quite time consuming (you have to send each mail
individually), it makes sense to do this only every x mails.

-thh




From mark at pdc-racing.net  Mon Apr 26 05:43:57 2004
From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 20:43:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email domain issue with virtual hosting
Message-ID: 

So I looked through the archives and couldn't find a solution to this.  
Google was no help, either.

I have Mailman setup on www.justracing.com, which is also the 
mailserver (sendmail) for the domain of the same name.

I have volunteered to host a mailing list for the Golden Gate Chapter 
of of the BMW Car Club of America on their domain: ggcbmwcca.org

I have a virtual host set up in mm_cfg.py as follows (per the FAQ entry 
for changing the domain name):

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.ggcbmwcca.org'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.ggcbmwcca.org'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

The list works beautifully.  All the URLs are correct.  Life is good on 
this end.

However, administrative emails are sent with the following headers:

From: 	announce-owner at justracing.com
Subject: 	Announce post from jimmy at joe.bob requires approval
Date:	April 25, 2004 4:09:57 PM PDT
To:		announce-owner at ggcbmwcca.org

Note the From address is of the wrong domain (the domain of the server, 
not the domain of the virtual host).  Subscription confirmations have 
the same problem.

Any suggestions on how to fix this?

Many thanks!

- Mark
-----
mark at pdc-racing.net




From mettius at tol-lamfirith.org  Mon Apr 26 06:20:44 2004
From: mettius at tol-lamfirith.org (mettius)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:20:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some lists not showing up in listinfo page
In-Reply-To: <1081710425.2769.136.camel@callius.tol-lamfirith.org>
References: <1081710425.2769.136.camel@callius.tol-lamfirith.org>
Message-ID: <1082953243.3978.16.camel@callius.tol-lamfirith.org>

2nd Post. Has no one else had this problem?

 I've read the FAQ and noted the section on this
symptom. But it hasn't addressed my problem.



If you hit this URI: http://cactusairforce.org/mailman/listinfo
You see all lists (including Mailman?!)


but if you instead hit this one:
http://www.cactusairforce.org/mailman/listinfo
you only see the CAF and the Recruitment_list

>From the FAQ:
"1. the value of the list's 'advertised' option (the first one on the
page) of the Privacy Options Section of the list's admin web GUI."

This isn't the problem.

"2. the value of VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py or
mm_cfg.py. If this is set to true (usually 1) then you may be
experiencing the effect of Mailman Virtual Host feature. In that case
the address in the URL used to access listinfo is compared to the
address in the list's 'web_page_url' option (the last one) of the
General Options Section of the list's admin web GUI. If they are not the
same, the list is not added to the listinfo page returned."

If I change this value in Defaults.py (it doesn't appear in mm_cfy.py)
to "0", I *can* see all of the lists, unfortunately it also displays all
the lists from the other (non virtual) domain on this server.

Also, I've checked in the GUI, there is no entry for 'web_page_url'
there is one for 'host_name' but this is set for cactusairforce.org (in
all the lists).


Distro: SuSE Pro 8.2, (x86)
mailman-2.1.1-91


-Mettius





From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Mon Apr 26 09:08:30 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (lloyd_tennison at whoever.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 00:08:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cc problem
Message-ID: 

Go to the CookHeaders.py file, in the Handlers folder, and comment it out as such:


 #msg['Cc'] = COMMASPACE.join([formataddr(pair) for pair in new])



I also use this to get rid of the "extra" headers such as Mailman version, and the Precedence value

  #msg['X-Mailman-Version'] = mm_cfg.VERSION 
  #msg['Precedence'] = 'list' 

These are more information than need to be sent - and give SPAM filters a chance to block the emails.

----- Original Message ---------------
>Return-Path: 
>Received: from spf4.us4.outblaze.com (205.158.62.26) by mta3.wss.scd.yahoo.com (7.0.016)
>        id 40723FE600ABE73A for lloyd at danandben.com; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:10:48 -0700
>Received: from mail.python.org (mail.python.org [12.155.117.29])
>	by spf4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDF753581
>	for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 21:07:49 +0000 (GMT)
>Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.python.org)
>	by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22)
>	id 1BHqfY-0007Tq-JA; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:56:08 -0400
>Received: from lists.dc.uba.ar ([157.92.27.121] helo=smtp-as.dc.uba.ar)
>	by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1BH4kn-000667-GZ
>	for mailman-users at python.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:46:21 -0400
>Received: (qmail 26339 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2004 17:45:46 -0000
>Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dc.uba.ar) ([10.0.0.3])
>	(envelope-sender )
>	by ?smtp-as.dc.uba.ar (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted
>	SMTP for ; 23 Apr 2004 17:45:46 -0000
>Received: (qmail 12859 invoked by uid 1006); 23 Apr 2004 17:45:21 -0000
>Received: from ahgomez at dc.uba.ar by goliat by uid 1003 with qmail-scanner-1.16
>	(spamassassin: 2.20. Clear:SA:0(-100.0/4.5 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST
>	version=2.20):. 
>	Processed in 0.061561 secs); 23 Apr 2004 17:45:21 -0000
>Received: from unknown (HELO dc.uba.ar) (ahgomez@[10.1.254.2])
>	(envelope-sender )
>	by ?smtp.dc.uba.ar (qmail-ldap-1.03) with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP
>	for ; 23 Apr 2004 17:45:21 -0000
>Message-ID: <4089569F.7050307 at dc.uba.ar>
>Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:47:11 -0300
>From: Alejandro Gomez 
>User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US;
>	rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040322
>X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>To: seanc at cuttlefish.com
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>X-Spam-Status: No,
>	hits=-100.0 required=4.5 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.20
>X-Spam-Level: 
>X-Spam-Status: OK (lists-mailman 0.000)
>X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:55:59 -0400
>Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] cc problem
>X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5c2
>Precedence: list
>List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users 
>List-Unsubscribe: ,
>	
>List-Archive: 
>List-Post: 
>List-Help: 
>List-Subscribe: ,
>	
>Sender: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
>Errors-To: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
>
>hello:
>I've the same problem.
>Did you find the way to fix it?
>thanks in advance
>
>you wrote:
>
>
>List Users, I have just installed mailman on my linux box to support a 
>number of (mostly) announcement-only lists. I've followed the FAQ 
>regarding making my lists announce-only and everything seems to work 
>apart from one thing - when the message arrives with the recipient it 
>has the short description of the list and the list e-mail address in the 
>cc field of the message. Here's an example of a message header: 
>Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:05:21 +0000 From: culturepromotions at 
>lists.cuttlefish.com 
> To: info at 
>cuttlefish.com  
>Cc: "The latest news from dub and reggae promotor Culture Promotions (1 
>or 2 messages per week)." > 
>Reply-to: mailouts at culturepromotions.com 
> The "from", "to" 
>and "reply-to" are correct but I really don't want that CC line there! 
>Anybody able to help me get rid of it? Thanks, Sean
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/



From maillists at conactive.com  Mon Apr 26 14:31:30 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:31:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why am I getting this list from two addresses?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
Message-ID: 

Richard Barrett wrote on Mon, 26 Apr 2004 00:19:10 +0100:

> Depending on the site and list policies some, all or none of the 
> messages you receive may VERP'ed.
>

Thank you both for the explanation. What made me ask this is that when I 
first subscribed to the list in February I checked the headers of the list 
and used the VERPed address for white-listing it. I didn't recognize any 
exceptions. Then I was removed from the list in March (like some others 
here as well, seems it went back to backup from November) and had to 
resubscribe when a message I sent to the list bounced. Since then I 
noticed that many messages were not going thru as white-listed (but 
scanned and found to be ham), because many were not using the VERPed 
address. So I suppose there was a change in that bounce detection policy 
from "always" to "some"?


Kai

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From barry at python.org  Mon Apr 26 15:49:09 2004
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:49:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1.5 release candidate 2
In-Reply-To: <1082864853.29380.35.camel@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <1082864853.29380.35.camel@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <1082987348.17933.32.camel@anthem.wooz.org>

On Sat, 2004-04-24 at 23:47, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> I've just uploaded Mailman 2.1.5 release candidate 2 (no, you never saw
> rc1 :).

There was something wrong with the tarball, so I just uploaded a new
version (along with a new signature and an updated md5sum in the release
notes).

If you grabbed the 2.1.5c2 tarball before just now, please try again.

-Barry





From mingwa at gmx.de  Mon Apr 26 17:07:40 2004
From: mingwa at gmx.de (Daniel Eichelsbacher)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:07:40 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman don't deliver the mails
References: 
Message-ID: <30354.1082992060@www52.gmx.net>

Hello,

i install mailman, but it's not working well. If i send a mail to a created
mailing-list i get the following error message back:

smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed) 554 5.0.0
Service unavailable

I read the installation-file and make a link in etc/smrsh to my mailman
folder like this:

Ln /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman

Now i get no error message back, but the mail isn't deliver! Can someone
help me?

The web-interface is okay and running check_perms there are also no errors.

Thanks for an help,
Daniel

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From dkiner at net2one.com  Mon Apr 26 18:05:15 2004
From: dkiner at net2one.com (David Kiner)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:05:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual-mailman stays empty
Message-ID: 

Hi, 
I use Mailman 2.1.4 and postfix 2.0.16

my /usr/local/data/virtual-mailman stays empty .

# ls -l virtual-mailman:
-rw-rw-rw- 1 root mailman 0 Apr 4 13:28 virtual-mailman

in my postfix conf:
virtual_alias_maps = hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman,
mysql:/usr/local/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf

I get the error: 
Remote host said: 550 :
User unknown in virtual mailbox table

Do you have a solution?

David Kiner

From maillists at conactive.com  Mon Apr 26 18:31:33 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:31:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 release candidate 2
In-Reply-To: <1082987348.17933.32.camel@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <1082864853.29380.35.camel@anthem.wooz.org>
	<1082987348.17933.32.camel@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: 

Installed the new tarball, upgrade from 2.1.4 to 2.1.5, no problems so 
far.

A few things I noticed (already present earlier, not 2.1.5 specific, but 
now I took note), should I report any of them via bugtracker or is this 
intentional?

- all programs show up as "python" in top, would be nice to see them with 
the "real" name which appears in ps
- empty cc in each mail
- Subject is wrapped too early for my taste (option for no wrapping?)
- QP is used for 8859-1 character set, although 8bit would be sufficient



Kai

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From steven at calvoter.org  Mon Apr 26 18:39:49 2004
From: steven at calvoter.org (Steven Massey)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:39:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking MS-Word attachments
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <558B7DA9-97A0-11D8-9826-000393D2F220@calvoter.org>

Perhaps I have this setup incorrectly, but I want to block attachments 
to my listserv and so I'm stripping the following mime types out of all 
messages:

image
video
application

Then I have the conversion to text/html set to yes.

Nevertheless, MS Word files that are under my maximum message size 
limit seem to slip through.  Is there a mime-type I am missing?  I 
thought MS Word would fall under the application category.

Thanks,

Steven Massey




From doug at hyperpiper.com  Mon Apr 26 19:01:46 2004
From: doug at hyperpiper.com (doug at hyperpiper.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:01:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Footer isn't At the Bottom of the E-mail;
	It's an Attachment
Message-ID: <001001c42bb0$2943bc80$8064a8c0@wovennet.com>


I know this is a dumb question, but I can?t find an answer anywhere. Can you
please help?

I?ve setup several Mailman lists prefer  there to be an informative footer
at the bottom of each e-mail. I?ve been successful doing that with some
lists but on others it shows up as an attachment (and nothing except the
message is in the e-mail). As far as I can tell there is no difference
between the lists. I?ve looked at every setting I can find.

Can anyone tell me where the setting is for the text ?footer? so that it
DOESN?T show up as an attachment?

Doug Piper




From mbonanno at sas.upenn.edu  Mon Apr 26 19:16:34 2004
From: mbonanno at sas.upenn.edu (mbonanno)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:16:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating a list of approved senders
Message-ID: <408D43F2.5090607@sas.upenn.edu>

I want to know if there is an way to create a list of approved senders 
that may be attached to multiple lists.  I  have about 120 lists, and I 
need to allow the 35 or so people in my office to be able to post to any 
of the 120 lists.  The problem is that people come and go in the office 
so I would like a way to create a sort of "umbrella" list that could 
then be placed in the list explicitly approved senders.  Therefore if 
someone left and a new person came to the office I could simply swap the 
names in one place, and have all 120 lists updated.

Thanks,
Michael



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Mon Apr 26 19:22:59 2004
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:22:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Footer isn't At the Bottom of the E-mail;
	It's an Attachment
In-Reply-To: <001001c42bb0$2943bc80$8064a8c0@wovennet.com>
References: <001001c42bb0$2943bc80$8064a8c0@wovennet.com>
Message-ID: <20040426172259.GB27952@allhats.xcski.com>

Quoting doug at hyperpiper.com (doug at hyperpiper.com):
> 
> I know this is a dumb question, but I can?t find an answer anywhere. Can you
> please help?
> 
> I?ve setup several Mailman lists prefer  there to be an informative footer
> at the bottom of each e-mail. I?ve been successful doing that with some
> lists but on others it shows up as an attachment (and nothing except the
> message is in the e-mail). As far as I can tell there is no difference
> between the lists. I?ve looked at every setting I can find.
> 
> Can anyone tell me where the setting is for the text ?footer? so that it
> DOESN?T show up as an attachment?

As far as I know, it has nothing to do with the list.  If people send
email that's dual html and plain text, or otherwise mime multipart, then
the bit mailman attaches will be another attachment.  If they send plain
text only, then it will be appended to the text.

BTW:  Are you using some weird text encoding?  All your apostrophes end up
like control characters to me.

-- 
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From paul at thcwd.com  Mon Apr 26 19:41:08 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:41:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Some lists not showing up in listinfo page
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040426123252.01d14148@127.0.0.1>

On 11:06 AM 4/26/2004, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
>  I've read the FAQ and noted the section on this
>symptom. But it hasn't addressed my problem.
>
>
>If you hit this URI: http://cactusairforce.org/mailman/listinfo
>You see all lists (including Mailman?!)
>
>
>but if you instead hit this one:
>http://www.cactusairforce.org/mailman/listinfo
>you only see the CAF and the Recruitment_list

      The second page says "Send questions or comments to 
mailman at www.cactusairforce.org."  I 
don't think the www should be in that address.  I realize that does not fix 
your problem, but it does suggest (to me) that problem is not with Mailman 
it's self, but with how it was configured or with some redirect.
      A simple work around would be to set up a redirect to send requests 
for the www version to the one that works.

<>< Paul





From blists at nobaloney.net  Mon Apr 26 19:55:47 2004
From: blists at nobaloney.net (Jeff Lasman)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:55:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Footer isn't At the Bottom of the E-mail;
	It's an Attachment
In-Reply-To: <20040426172259.GB27952@allhats.xcski.com>
References: <001001c42bb0$2943bc80$8064a8c0@wovennet.com>
	<20040426172259.GB27952@allhats.xcski.com>
Message-ID: <200404261055.47265.blists@nobaloney.net>

On Monday 26 April 2004 10:22 am, Paul Tomblin wrote:

> BTW:  Are you using some weird text encoding?  All your apostrophes
> end up like control characters to me.

According to his headers, he's using:

Content-Type: text/plain;
  charset="iso-8859-1"

Using KMail as my MUA, the source show's a little empty checkbox, which 
means it's a control code, but the actual message display successfully 
converts it into an apostrophe.

Jeff
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From ptomblin at xcski.com  Mon Apr 26 20:22:32 2004
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:22:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Footer isn't At the Bottom of the E-mail;
	It's an Attachment
In-Reply-To: <200404261055.47265.blists@nobaloney.net>
References: <001001c42bb0$2943bc80$8064a8c0@wovennet.com>
	<20040426172259.GB27952@allhats.xcski.com>
	<200404261055.47265.blists@nobaloney.net>
Message-ID: <20040426182232.GA29799@allhats.xcski.com>

Quoting Jeff Lasman (blists at nobaloney.net):
> On Monday 26 April 2004 10:22 am, Paul Tomblin wrote:
> 
> > BTW:  Are you using some weird text encoding?  All your apostrophes
> > end up like control characters to me.
> 
> According to his headers, he's using:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain;
>   charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Using KMail as my MUA, the source show's a little empty checkbox, which 
> means it's a control code, but the actual message display successfully 
> converts it into an apostrophe.

I think he's using those damn "Microsoft Smart Quotes".  I guess KMail is
translating them, because they're octal 222 which is NOT an apostrophe in
iso-8859-1.

-- 
Paul Tomblin  http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Flying is the perfect vocation for a man who wants to feel like a boy, but
not for one who still is.



From maillists at conactive.com  Mon Apr 26 20:31:30 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:31:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking MS-Word attachments
In-Reply-To: <558B7DA9-97A0-11D8-9826-000393D2F220@calvoter.org>
References: 
	<558B7DA9-97A0-11D8-9826-000393D2F220@calvoter.org>
Message-ID: 

Steven Massey wrote on Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:39:49 -0700:

> I 
> thought MS Word would fall under the application category.
>

documents are not applications, just look what the message shows for the 
MIME type.


Kai

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From maillists at conactive.com  Mon Apr 26 21:31:36 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:31:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer isn't At the Bottom of the E-mail;
	It's an Attachment
In-Reply-To: <20040426172259.GB27952@allhats.xcski.com>
References: <001001c42bb0$2943bc80$8064a8c0@wovennet.com>
	<20040426172259.GB27952@allhats.xcski.com>
Message-ID: 

Paul Tomblin wrote on Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:22:59 -0400:

> BTW:  Are you using some weird text encoding?  All your apostrophes end up
> like control characters to me.
>

He uses Outlook/Word and this apostrophe "?" instead of "'", or maybe it's 
Outlook/Word converting it for him, a Microsoft specialty :-(


Kai

-- 

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From embrey at hood.edu  Mon Apr 26 22:53:29 2004
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:53:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about CookHeaders
Message-ID: <08c2ca5901d8ee479ac17c87b3b1a4c9@hermes.hood.edu>

List:

 

I have encountered a circumstance with Eudora users when receiving
messages with long subject lines from mailman lists. The subject line in
their email client is blank but if you open the message the entire
subject line appears on a line beneath the blank one. I was looking
through the CookHeaders.py script and saw the maxlinelen=78. What would
be the consequences of increasing this number to 80 or 85?

 

I am using mailman 2.1.1-5 on RedHat Linux 9.

 

Bruce

 

Bruce Edward Embrey : Linux Systems Manager 
Campus Email Admin / NETREG : UNIX / Linux Administrator 
Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927

 





From mark at pdc-racing.net  Tue Apr 27 00:26:12 2004
From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:26:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email domain issue with virtual hosting
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

On Apr 25, 2004, at 8:43 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote:
> However, administrative emails are sent with the following headers:
>
> From: 	announce-owner at justracing.com
> Subject: 	Announce post from jimmy at joe.bob requires approval
> Date:	April 25, 2004 4:09:57 PM PDT
> To:		announce-owner at ggcbmwcca.org
>
> Note the From address is of the wrong domain (the domain of the 
> server, not the domain of the virtual host).  Subscription 
> confirmations have the same problem.

I resolved this and and sending it to the list to get it into the 
archives.  I had sendmail configured to do domain masqueing and it 
mangling the mailman headers.  I removed that directive and everything 
works beautifully now.

- Mark
-----
mark at pdc-racing.net




From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Apr 27 08:42:18 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:42:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about CookHeaders
In-Reply-To: <08c2ca5901d8ee479ac17c87b3b1a4c9@hermes.hood.edu>
Message-ID: 

On 4/26/2004 13:53, "Bruce Embrey"  wrote:

> I have encountered a circumstance with Eudora users when receiving
> messages with long subject lines from mailman lists. The subject line in
> their email client is blank but if you open the message the entire
> subject line appears on a line beneath the blank one. I was looking
> through the CookHeaders.py script and saw the maxlinelen=78. What would
> be the consequences of increasing this number to 80 or 85?

One consequence would be a potential violation of a SHOULD in RFC
2822...potential in that a "helpful" MTA might "improve" the too-long
headers.

   There are two limits that this standard places on the number of
   characters in a line. Each line of characters MUST be no more than
   998 characters, and SHOULD be no more than 78 characters, excluding
   the CRLF.

It is likely that the headers would look bad in other MUAs.

My memory is claiming that Mailman 2.1.1 was well known for this
problem...here's one reference to it:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg15984.html

  --John



From karl at sfdata.net  Tue Apr 27 08:50:43 2004
From: karl at sfdata.net (Karl R. Balsmeier)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:50:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts To List Not Working: But Admin Emails Do
Message-ID: <7720.216.175.81.169.1083048643.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>

Creation and subscription to lists works great, email is making it from
the mailman host to the mail server, but when I post to a list, (i have
test users who have joined the list, etc.), nothing comes through?

Where are the mailman logs?  I'll check em out'...







From dkiner at net2one.com  Tue Apr 27 09:01:54 2004
From: dkiner at net2one.com (David Kiner)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:01:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Command output: Group mismatch error
Message-ID: 

hi,
I run freeBSD 4.9 Postfix 2.0.16 and mailman 2.1.14

When I test by sending this email: ff-subscribe at virtualdomain.com

I get:
: Command died with status 2:
"/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe ff". Command output: Group
mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as
group "nobody", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as
group "mailman". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group
"nobody", or re-run configure, providing the command line option
`--with-mail-gid=mailman'

I re run mailman port, with make --with-mail-gid=mailman but I have the same
result.

when I do a "make options":

* MM_USERNAME [mailman]
  The username of the Mailman user
* MM_USERID [92]
  The user ID of the Mailman user
    It is recommended that you do not change this option.
* MM_GROUPNAME [mailman]
  The group to which the Mailman user will belong
* MM_GROUPID [92]
  The group ID for the Mailman user
    It is recommended that you do not change this option.
* MM_DIR [mailman]
  Mailman will be installed in ${PREFIX}/${MM_DIR}
* MAIL_GID [mailnull]
      ----------------------------------------------------
    MTA     | MAIL_GID       | Submitted by
    Exim3   | nobody (65534) | 
    Exim4   | mail   (6)     | 
    Postfix | mailman        | 
    Qmail   | ???            |
    ----------------------------------------------------
    NOTE: for Postfix, the group may need to be 'nobody' if you are not
    using the Mailman integration for generating the postfix virtual and
    aliases files.
* CGI_GID [www]
  The group name or id under which your web server executes CGI scripts
    By default, this port works with the current port of Apache2.  If your
    WWW server executes CGI scripts under a different GID, you'll have to
    set this at build time.
* IMGDIR [www/icons]
  Icon images will be installed in ${PREFIX}/${IMGDIR}
* WITH_CHINESE [undefined]
  Define to include support for Chinese mailing lists
* WITH_HTDIG [undefined]
  Define to include the htdig integration patches.

# ps aux
mailman  6454  0.0  2.2  6740 5584  ??  Is   12:40AM   0:00.04
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start
mailman  6456  0.0  2.2  6708 5564  ??  S    12:40AM   0:01.13
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRu
mailman  6457  0.0  2.2  6712 5568  ??  S    12:40AM   0:01.16
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=Bounce
mailman  6458  0.0  2.2  6712 5560  ??  S    12:40AM   0:01.15
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=Comman
mailman  6459  0.0  2.2  6708 5564  ??  S    12:40AM   0:01.14
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=Incomi
mailman  6460  0.0  2.2  6720 5600  ??  S    12:40AM   0:01.21
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRu
mailman  6461  0.0  2.2  6748 5636  ??  S    12:40AM   0:01.17
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=Outgoi
mailman  6462  0.0  2.2  6708 5564  ??  S    12:40AM   0:01.17
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=Virgin
mailman  6463  0.0  2.2  6708 5564  ??  I    12:40AM   0:00.48
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryR
postfix  6529  0.0  0.4  1360  896  ??  I    12:54AM   0:00.01 pickup -l -t
fifo -u
postfix  6530  0.0  0.4  1388  940  ??  I    12:54AM   0:00.02 qmgr -l -t
fifo -u

where is the error?



From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Apr 27 10:43:00 2004
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:43:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts To List Not Working: But Admin Emails Do
In-Reply-To: <7720.216.175.81.169.1083048643.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>
References: <7720.216.175.81.169.1083048643.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>
Message-ID: 


On 27 Apr 2004, at 07:50, Karl R. Balsmeier wrote:

> Creation and subscription to lists works great, email is making it from
> the mailman host to the mail server, but when I post to a list, (i have
> test users who have joined the list, etc.), nothing comes through?

Have you started $prefix/bin/mailmanctl (MM version 2.1.x) or installed 
the MM crontab (MM version 2.0.x)?

>
> Where are the mailman logs?  I'll check em out'...
>

$prefix/logs/ is a good place to look; and also check the MTA's mail 
log to check it is delivering to MM successfully

Are messages accumulating in any of the subdirectories of 
$prefix/qfiles/ ?

Take a look a some of the MM FAQ entries (see the link in the std 
footer of mail from the mailman-users list)




From karl at sfdata.net  Tue Apr 27 10:50:32 2004
From: karl at sfdata.net (Karl R. Balsmeier)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 01:50:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts To List Not Working: But Admin
  Emails Do
In-Reply-To: 
References: <7720.216.175.81.169.1083048643.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>
	<7720.216.175.81.169.1083048643.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040427014610.02e0f598@mail.sfdata.net>

We found it was a group_id problem in /etc/exim/configure.

The following block of code was corrected to read:

system_aliases:
   driver = aliasfile
   file = /etc/mail/aliases
   search_type = lsearch
   user = daemon
   group = daemon
   file_transport = address_file
   pipe_transport = address_pipe

Where group=daemon, it used to say "guest".

The log file was what caught this.  I opened a console and typed:
./usr/local/sbin/exim -d9 -bd

The error in the log looked like this:
Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail 
wrapper script to be executed as group "daemon", but the system's mail 
server executed the mail script as group "guest".  Try tweaking the mail 
server to run the script as group "daemon", or re-run configure,  providing 
the command line option `--with-mail-gid=guest'.

My question about mailman logs is still open in curiosity, -are here actual 
logs, or justmethods to check out what's going on?

-krb


At 09:43 AM 4/27/2004 +0100, Richard Barrett wrote:

>On 27 Apr 2004, at 07:50, Karl R. Balsmeier wrote:
>
>>Creation and subscription to lists works great, email is making it from
>>the mailman host to the mail server, but when I post to a list, (i have
>>test users who have joined the list, etc.), nothing comes through?
>
>Have you started $prefix/bin/mailmanctl (MM version 2.1.x) or installed 
>the MM crontab (MM version 2.0.x)?
>
>>
>>Where are the mailman logs?  I'll check em out'...
>
>$prefix/logs/ is a good place to look; and also check the MTA's mail log 
>to check it is delivering to MM successfully
>
>Are messages accumulating in any of the subdirectories of $prefix/qfiles/ ?
>
>Take a look a some of the MM FAQ entries (see the link in the std footer 
>of mail from the mailman-users list)




From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Apr 27 11:25:59 2004
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:25:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts To List Not Working: But Admin Emails Do
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040427014610.02e0f598@mail.sfdata.net>
References: <7720.216.175.81.169.1083048643.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>
	<7720.216.175.81.169.1083048643.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20040427014610.02e0f598@mail.sfdata.net>
Message-ID: 


On 27 Apr 2004, at 09:50, Karl R. Balsmeier wrote:

> We found it was a group_id problem in /etc/exim/configure.
>
> The following block of code was corrected to read:
>
> system_aliases:
>   driver = aliasfile
>   file = /etc/mail/aliases
>   search_type = lsearch
>   user = daemon
>   group = daemon
>   file_transport = address_file
>   pipe_transport = address_pipe
>
> Where group=daemon, it used to say "guest".
>
> The log file was what caught this.

Which log file?

>   I opened a console and typed:
> ./usr/local/sbin/exim -d9 -bd
>
> The error in the log

Which log?

> looked like this:
> Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail 
> wrapper script to be executed as group "daemon", but the system's mail 
> server executed the mail script as group "guest".  Try tweaking the 
> mail server to run the script as group "daemon", or re-run configure,  
> providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=guest'.
>
> My question about mailman logs is still open in curiosity, -are here 
> actual logs, or justmethods to check out what's going on?
>

Maybe I have not understood your question but here goes. Mailman writes 
a number of logs to its log directory, see below the directory listing 
from my system. The log file names are fairly explanatory. Normally, 
the most useful tend to be the error, post, smtp and smtp-failure logs:

user at server:$prefix/logs> ls -1 | grep -v "\."
bounce
digest
error
fromusenet
locks
mischief
post
qrunner
smtp
smtp-failure
subscribe
vette

There will not be much in these logs and the log files may not have 
even been created if the MTA was failing to deliver to Mailman, as 
seems to be your case. Without the stimulus of incoming mail the logs 
may have yet to be opened/created for the first time.

> -krb
>
>
> At 09:43 AM 4/27/2004 +0100, Richard Barrett wrote:
>
>> On 27 Apr 2004, at 07:50, Karl R. Balsmeier wrote:
>>
>>> Creation and subscription to lists works great, email is making it 
>>> from
>>> the mailman host to the mail server, but when I post to a list, (i 
>>> have
>>> test users who have joined the list, etc.), nothing comes through?
>>
>> Have you started $prefix/bin/mailmanctl (MM version 2.1.x) or 
>> installed the MM crontab (MM version 2.0.x)?
>>
>>>
>>> Where are the mailman logs?  I'll check em out'...
>>
>> $prefix/logs/ is a good place to look; and also check the MTA's mail 
>> log to check it is delivering to MM successfully
>>
>> Are messages accumulating in any of the subdirectories of 
>> $prefix/qfiles/ ?
>>
>> Take a look a some of the MM FAQ entries (see the link in the std 
>> footer of mail from the mailman-users list)
>




From mailman-users at xonx.de  Tue Apr 27 12:14:06 2004
From: mailman-users at xonx.de (Steffen Mueller)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:14:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Footer isn't At the Bottom of the E-mail;
	It's an Attachment
In-Reply-To: <20040426172259.GB27952@allhats.xcski.com>
References: <001001c42bb0$2943bc80$8064a8c0@wovennet.com>
	<20040426172259.GB27952@allhats.xcski.com>
Message-ID: <408E326E.2010606@xonx.de>

On 04/26/04 19:22 Paul Tomblin wrote:
> Quoting doug at hyperpiper.com (doug at hyperpiper.com):
> 
>>
>>Can anyone tell me where the setting is for the text ?footer? so that it
>>DOESN?T show up as an attachment?
> 
> 
> As far as I know, it has nothing to do with the list.  If people send
> email that's dual html and plain text, or otherwise mime multipart, then
> the bit mailman attaches will be another attachment.  If they send plain
> text only, then it will be appended to the text.
> 

Hi.

I'm running into same troubles. Every mail from my lists comes along 
with footer attachment instead of appended plaintext.
I tried to send mails with my mozilla thunderbird, which uses plaintext:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

To be sure, I did a simple telnet session on my mailserver on port 25 
and sent a testmail to a list running on that server - without 
mime/multipart of course.

Both mails come back from the list with the footer as attachment. and 
that's not what I expect...

Thanks in advance you your suggestions.

I'm riding Mailman 2.1.4 on Debian Woody (2.1.4-1.backports.org.1), Exim 
3.35


-- 
cheers,
Steffen





From maillists at conactive.com  Tue Apr 27 13:41:47 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:41:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Command output: Group mismatch error
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

David Kiner wrote on Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:01:54 +0200:

> I re run mailman port, with make --with-mail-gid=mailman but I have the same
> result.
>

I always do it this way:
make distclean, then *configure* with the above, then make.

Kai

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From mailman at emisnug.org.uk  Mon Apr 26 16:24:53 2004
From: mailman at emisnug.org.uk (Tim Walter)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:24:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web gui disappeared after moving location...
Message-ID: 

Hi, I run Mailman on a RAQ4 and having run out of space I moved usr to 
home using the usr2home.sh script successfully.

The lists seem to work fine again but the web gui pages 
/mailman/admin/list/members etc have gone AWOL.  I am pretty sure they 
are all there but for some reason not functioning/displaying.

Anyone any experience or able to tell me where these pages reside and 
how to get them back again.  I suspect it might be a permissions thing 
but am no expert.
-- 
Tim Walter
Emis NUG website  http://www.emisnug.org.uk/index.asp
To join the NUG, phone 0191 487 4571
The Emis-list archive is at http://www.medhost.co.uk/forum/
Join/leave at http://www.emisnug.org.uk/online



From alvarso at MIT.EDU  Mon Apr 26 17:14:08 2004
From: alvarso at MIT.EDU (Alvar Saenz-Otero)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:14:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: message 'batch' processing?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040426111352.00b78620@PO11.mit.edu>


Hi,

The MIT administrators said I should forward this to you, hopefully they're 
right.

Alvar


>Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 08:56:01 -0400
>To: mailman at mit.edu
>From: Alvar Saenz-Otero 
>Subject: message 'batch' processing?
>
>
>Hi,
>
>We've been using mailman for tmrc at mit.edu for about two months now.
>
>While it has served its main purpose quite well (getting rid of spam to 
>the majority of the member), administering the list (mostly dealing with 
>"pending messages") has been quite hard because of one main thing: the 
>interface to the pending messages is very cumbersome.
>
>While the interface lets you do about everything, the page is extremely 
>big, and there is no method to 'batch' process messages.  With 
>approximately 20 messages a day of spam (sometimes up to 40), and most 
>times *none* real messages waiting, using mailman becomes a task of every 
>single day clicking 20-40 individual radio buttons, lots of scrolling, and 
>then submitting data.
>
>I would strongly encourage you to have a more streamlined interface to 
>message processing.  Webmail is a very good example: it has "select all" 
>options, and then an action; it shows one message per line, concisely but 
>with all the information needed.
>
>I am quite sure I'm not the only administrators/moderator with this issue, 
>and many will appreciate having a better and simpler interface to message 
>processing.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Alvar




From rra at trilegiant.com  Mon Apr 26 17:42:04 2004
From: rra at trilegiant.com (Rick Aliwalas)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:42:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman don't deliver the mails
In-Reply-To: <30354.1082992060@www52.gmx.net>
References: 
	<30354.1082992060@www52.gmx.net>
Message-ID: 

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Daniel Eichelsbacher wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> i install mailman, but it's not working well. If i send a mail to a created
> mailing-list i get the following error message back:
> 
> smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed) 554 5.0.0
> Service unavailable
> 
> I read the installation-file and make a link in etc/smrsh to my mailman
> folder like this:
> 
> Ln /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman

I had the same problem.  Apparently, the default CMDDIR for smrsh is not
/etc/smrsh but /usr/adm/sm.bin .  Try putting the symlink as follows:

	ln -s $PREFIX/mail/mailman /usr/adm/sm.bin/mailman

-rick aliwalas


> 
> Now i get no error message back, but the mail isn't deliver! Can someone
> help me?
> 
> The web-interface is okay and running check_perms there are also no errors.
> 
> Thanks for an help,
> Daniel
> 
> -- 
> NEU : GMX Internet.FreeDSL
> Ab sofort DSL-Tarif ohne Grundgeb?hr: http://www.gmx.net/dsl
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 



From rose at richardweylman.com  Tue Apr 27 14:54:57 2004
From: rose at richardweylman.com (Rose)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:54:57 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Downloading Mailman
Message-ID: <000801c42c56$d9bda2f0$20a53844@achieve03>

We are looking to download the Mailman software, however, we are unsure from
which Source to download the software.

Can you provide us with assistance?

Thanks.


Rose Fullerton


From fabrizio at gianneschi.it  Mon Apr 26 09:19:07 2004
From: fabrizio at gianneschi.it (Fabrizio Gianneschi)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:19:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic Discard
Message-ID: 

Hello,

I'm a happy Mailman user (2.0.11); unfortunately, in these days there's a
lot of spam attacks to our list.

Is there a way to automatically discard messages posted by non-members? I'm
tyred to discard them manually using the web interface.

Thanks
Fabrizio




From Tim at yingtong.co.uk  Mon Apr 26 15:49:42 2004
From: Tim at yingtong.co.uk (Tim Walter)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:49:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web gui disappeared after moving location...
Message-ID: 

Hi, I run Mailman on a RAQ4 and having run out of space I moved usr to 
home using the usr2home.sh script successfully.

The lists seem to work fine again but the web gui pages 
/mailman/admin/list/members etc have gone AWOL.  I am pretty sure they 
are all there but for some reason not functioning/displaying.

Anyone any experience or able to tell me where these pages reside and 
how to get them back again.  I suspect it might be a permissions thing 
but am no expert.
-- 
Tim Walter
Emis NUG website  http://www.emisnug.org.uk/index.asp
To join the NUG, phone 0191 487 4571
The Emis-list archive is at http://www.medhost.co.uk/forum/
Join/leave at http://www.emisnug.org.uk/online



From tpf at canes.gsw.edu  Tue Apr 27 16:12:04 2004
From: tpf at canes.gsw.edu (Tim Faircloth)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:12:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Downloading Mailman
In-Reply-To: <000801c42c56$d9bda2f0$20a53844@achieve03>
References: <000801c42c56$d9bda2f0$20a53844@achieve03>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20040427100836.025d4908@canes.gsw.edu>

At 08:54 AM 4/27/2004, you wrote:
>We are looking to download the Mailman software, however, we are unsure from
>which Source to download the software.
>
>Can you provide us with assistance?

You have 3 choices from the download page on mailman's site 
(http://www.list.org): Sourceforge, GNU, and List.org.  It doesn't matter 
which one you choose, the package is the same no matter which one you choose.

/tim
-- 
Tim Faircloth, System Administrator
GSW OIIT
Office: (229) 931-5076	Beeper: (229) 928-1458




From list at hellforge.org  Tue Apr 27 16:13:05 2004
From: list at hellforge.org (Thomas Sittig)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:13:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Downloading Mailman
In-Reply-To: <000801c42c56$d9bda2f0$20a53844@achieve03>
References: <000801c42c56$d9bda2f0$20a53844@achieve03>
Message-ID: <408E6A71.4070102@hellforge.org>

http://www.list.org/mailman.tar.gz

or

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/mailman/mailman-2.1.5c2.tgz?download

Rose wrote:

>We are looking to download the Mailman software, however, we are unsure from
>which Source to download the software.
>
>Can you provide us with assistance?
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>Rose Fullerton
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>  
>




From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue Apr 27 16:15:09 2004
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:15:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: message 'batch' processing?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040426111352.00b78620@PO11.mit.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040426111352.00b78620@PO11.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <20040427141509.GB1313@allhats.xcski.com>

Quoting Alvar Saenz-Otero (alvarso at MIT.EDU):
> >While the interface lets you do about everything, the page is extremely 
> >big, and there is no method to 'batch' process messages.  With 
> >approximately 20 messages a day of spam (sometimes up to 40), and most 
> >times *none* real messages waiting, using mailman becomes a task of every 
> >single day clicking 20-40 individual radio buttons, lots of scrolling, and 
> >then submitting data.

All my publically advertised mailing lists (and one private one whose
existance was "outed" by a jerk) are now set to accept members posts only,
and to bounce anything that isn't from a member.  Yeah, it means the users
have to learn to stop sending email from their other accounts unless they
are willing to subscribe that account to the list and set it to "no mail",
but it sure lessens my burden.

-- 
Paul Tomblin  http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
The thing I've noticed, particularly about Usenet, that while as a
welcome break from work it is refreshing and interesting, when you've
got bugger all else to do it kinda loses its appeal.  -- C Speed



From tpf at canes.gsw.edu  Tue Apr 27 16:30:55 2004
From: tpf at canes.gsw.edu (Tim Faircloth)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:30:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic Discard
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20040427102747.025cade8@canes.gsw.edu>

At 03:19 AM 4/26/2004, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I'm a happy Mailman user (2.0.11); unfortunately, in these days there's a
>lot of spam attacks to our list.
>
>Is there a way to automatically discard messages posted by non-members? I'm
>tyred to discard them manually using the web interface.

on the web interface, go to "Privacy options..." / "Sender Filters".  At 
the bottom of the page there's a setting that says "Action to take for 
postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined".  Set it 
to "Discard"  You'll probably also want to set the option below it to "No" 
so your administrator/moderator doesn't get spammed.

/tim
-- 
Tim Faircloth, System Administrator
GSW OIIT
Office: (229) 931-5076	Beeper: (229) 928-1458




From prodos at prodos.com  Tue Apr 27 16:33:21 2004
From: prodos at prodos.com (prodos at prodos.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:33:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How does Mailman compare with Yahoo
Message-ID: <20040427143321.13063.qmail@webmail01.mesa1.secureserver.net>


> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatic Discard
> From: "Tim Faircloth" 
> Date: Tue, April 27, 2004 7:30 am
> To: "mailman-users list" 
> 
> At 03:19 AM 4/26/2004, you wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >I'm a happy Mailman user (2.0.11); unfortunately, in these days
> there's a
> >lot of spam attacks to our list.
> >
> >Is there a way to automatically discard messages posted by
> non-members? I'm
> >tyred to discard them manually using the web interface.
> 
> on the web interface, go to "Privacy options..." / "Sender Filters". 
> At 
> the bottom of the page there's a setting that says "Action to take for
> 
> postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined". 
> Set it 
> to "Discard"  You'll probably also want to set the option below it to
> "No" 
> so your administrator/moderator doesn't get spammed.
> 
> /tim
> -- 
> Tim Faircloth, System Administrator
> GSW OIIT
> Office: (229) 931-5076	Beeper: (229) 928-1458
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/



From prodos at prodos.com  Tue Apr 27 16:54:04 2004
From: prodos at prodos.com (prodos at prodos.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:54:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How does Mailman compare with YahooGroups?
Message-ID: <20040427145404.26854.qmail@webmail-2-5.mesa1.secureserver.net>

From: Prodos (Melbourne, Australia)

Greetings!

(Firstly: Oops! I accidentally sent a wrong email to the list.
I hope the moderator deletes it. If not, sorry about that!)

I'm writing to ask about comparing Mailman with YahooGroups.

Would anyone on this list care to offer a comparison?
Or, if you are an ex-YahooGroups user, say why you changed
to Mailman? Or, if you know of an already existing comparison
online somewhere, perhaps you could send me the URL.

I've been using YahooGroups (previously eGroups) for my various
discussion and bulletin lists for years. I think they are very good.
But I'm now looking around for alternatives.

And what about Majordomo? How does that compare with Mailman?

If you prefer to write back privately rather than through
the list, no problem: prodos at prodos.com

Thank you for any advice or assistance.

Best Wishes,

PRODOS

http://prodos.com

"Discover the power. Of ideas!"













From justin at jalcorn.net  Tue Apr 27 18:44:02 2004
From: justin at jalcorn.net (Justin Alcorn)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:44:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Access subscription list via PHP?
In-Reply-To: <059901c42ae5$b5247800$dff5f6ce@WEBOLUTIONARY>
References: <059901c42ae5$b5247800$dff5f6ce@WEBOLUTIONARY>
Message-ID: <52603.208.51.9.121.1083084242.squirrel@jalcorn.net>


Sean Robertson said:
> I have a PHP form set up that I'd like to be able to use to subscribe
> people
> to the mailing list.  The problem is tha they might already be signed up
> to
> the list, so just sending an email to the listserve is not a very clean
> solution.  Is there any way to access the memberlist via PHP and find out
> if
> someone has already signed up or not so it doesn't try to do it again if
> they already have?
>
>

call list_members and capture the output.


$members = `/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members mylist`;
// find the member...



-- 
The universe is ruled by letting things take their course. It cannot be
ruled by interfering. -- Chinese proverb
JaBbA's hut: http://jalcorn.net



From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Tue Apr 27 18:47:28 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:47:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: How does Mailman compare with YahooGroups?
References: <20040427145404.26854.qmail@webmail-2-5.mesa1.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: 

prodos at prodos.com wrote:
> Would anyone on this list care to offer a comparison?
> Or, if you are an ex-YahooGroups user, say why you changed
> to Mailman? Or, if you know of an already existing comparison
> online somewhere, perhaps you could send me the URL.

For pure mailing list capabilities, MM (and other "real mailing list
managers" such as Lsoft's Listserv, majordomo, etc) have Yahoo groups
beat hands down.

* no advertising (some of which is of less than acceptable topics for
lists my kids get!)

* Better response time (depending on your connection)


But if you are enamored with the extra features in yahoogroups such as
the calendar, file sharing, etc - you might be disappointed.  None of
these others have any of that.  Just as well since I hate those things
anyway...


--?

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Department of Physics                           fax: 979-845-2590
Texas A&M University






From texascritter at emaillist-managers.com  Tue Apr 27 19:09:39 2004
From: texascritter at emaillist-managers.com (texas critter)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:09:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How does Mailman compare with YahooGroups?
References: <20040427145404.26854.qmail@webmail-2-5.mesa1.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <01e601c42c7a$6e91d5e0$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

prodos at prodos.com wrote:

> Or, if you are an ex-YahooGroups user, say why you changed
> to Mailman?

Because Mailman *works*.  Any large free service is bound to have a level
of unreliability and with Mailman, I have reliability, fast delivery of
emails, the ability to save the archives all in one plain text mbox file to
my local hard drive.

I never use the web features of Yahoogroups much, I mainly run mailing
lists.  And with v2.1, Mailman has the most important features of
Yahoogroups, moderating new members, moderating individual members,
stripping html and/or attachments and searching the member list.

And there's no advertising! :)  And less spam on my own domains than at
Yahoogroups.

> I've been using YahooGroups (previously eGroups) for my various
> discussion and bulletin lists for years. I think they are very good.
> But I'm now looking around for alternatives.

I still run some Yahoogroups and in some cases, I have duplicate lists,
people can choose to join the YG group or the Mailman list.  But I still
prefer my Mailman lists over Yahoogroups.  Yahoogroups is free, but you get
what you pay for, so I expect it to not work reliably and to break from
time to time (and Yahoo usually fulfills my expectations ;)).  But my
Mailman lists just keep going like the energizer bunny.

Since I moved to my own server, I'm discovering all the things I can do
with root access to Mailman.

If you like and use the Yahoogroups web features, you might find bulletin
boards/forums like PhpBB or Invision boards to be an easier transition,
it's web based but boards can send email notices of new posts in threads or
boards so that keeps people involved and checking in at the website.

It all depends on what your lists and the membership use and like the most.

(and I loved eGroups and Onelist before that, I still miss them!  and the
great people that used to work there before Yahoo chased them all away.)

> And what about Majordomo? How does that compare with Mailman?

I haven't used Majordomo in years but I happened to look at the Majordomo
site recently, v1 (which I used at one time for a couple years) is straight
mailing lists, all admin is thru email commands, no web interface, no
archives.

v2 is supposed to really good and with the MajorCool web interface, similar
to Mailman v2.  But from what I could see, there's not a lot of development
going on with Majordomo.  I prefer using something that is still being
developed and improved.

hth,
texas critter

--
EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/





From ges+lists at wingfoot.org  Tue Apr 27 19:18:24 2004
From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:18:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: How does Mailman compare with YahooGroups?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20040427145404.26854.qmail@webmail-2-5.mesa1.secureserver.net>
	
Message-ID: <408E95E0.7090707@wingfoot.org>

Chris Barnes said the following on 4/27/2004 12:47 PM:

>prodos at prodos.com wrote:
>  
>
>>Would anyone on this list care to offer a comparison?
>>Or, if you are an ex-YahooGroups user, say why you changed
>>to Mailman? Or, if you know of an already existing comparison
>>online somewhere, perhaps you could send me the URL.
>>    
>>
>
>For pure mailing list capabilities, MM (and other "real mailing list
>managers" such as Lsoft's Listserv, majordomo, etc) have Yahoo groups
>beat hands down.
>
>* no advertising (some of which is of less than acceptable topics for
>lists my kids get!)
>
>* Better response time (depending on your connection)
>
>
>But if you are enamored with the extra features in yahoogroups such as
>the calendar, file sharing, etc - you might be disappointed.  None of
>these others have any of that.  Just as well since I hate those things
>anyway...
>  
>
Yes--if you're looking for community-based mailing lists, MM will not
do... I've toyed with writing something around MM to more emulate the
YahooGroups functionality that way, as A) I _was_ a user of those
features B) People I know who run groups on Yahoo, haven't taken me up
on my offer of hosting on my server, because MM *doesn't* offer
calendars, integrated web-posting, et cetera, that they actively use.on
Yahool. Unfortunately, it's the old axiom: It's a Simple Matter of
Programming. Now to only find the _time_ to do that programming. :-/

G.






From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue Apr 27 19:17:35 2004
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:17:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives?
Message-ID: <20040427171735.GA6906@allhats.xcski.com>

Does anybody have any suggestions for archiving software better than the
built-in pipermail?  I'd really like something with searching and sorting
functionality.

-- 
Paul Tomblin  http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"The government turns every contingency into an excuse for enhancing power
in itself" -John Adams



From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Apr 27 19:37:45 2004
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:37:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <20040427171735.GA6906@allhats.xcski.com>
References: <20040427171735.GA6906@allhats.xcski.com>
Message-ID: <97DE84DC-9871-11D8-92AB-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>

On 27 Apr 2004, at 18:17, Paul Tomblin wrote:

> Does anybody have any suggestions for archiving software better than 
> the
> built-in pipermail?  I'd really like something with searching and 
> sorting
> functionality.
>

See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp

And these patches for Mailman might be of interest to you:

http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/444884/index.html

http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/mhonarc/index.html

> -- 
> Paul Tomblin  http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
> "The government turns every contingency into an excuse for enhancing 
> power
> in itself" -John Adams




From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Apr 27 19:48:11 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:48:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: How does Mailman compare with YahooGroups?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040427123822.01d958c0@127.0.0.1>

Prodos wrote:
>I'm writing to ask about comparing Mailman with YahooGroups.
>
>Would anyone on this list care to offer a comparison?

      Mailman does not allow posting from the archives.  There is a program 
know as M2F that will tie Mailman and phpbb together - see 
http://m2f.sourceforge.net (public beta).  I've 
not yet tried that integration, but it looks promising.  Mailman does not 
have a files section, or calender.  It does not have a built in archive 
search, but one that far exceeds Yahoo's can be easily added.  HTML is not 
well supported.


>Or, if you are an ex-YahooGroups user, say why you changed
>to Mailman?

      Yahoo has been increasingly unreliable, and the ads are worse and 
worse.  Some of the list moved from Yahoo to Mailman are now boards run on 
phpbb - look at both and see what best fits your needs, or look at the M2F 
method of combining the two


<>< Paul





From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Apr 27 19:51:55 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:51:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Question about CookHeaders
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040427122539.01d88640@127.0.0.1>

Bruce Embrey wrote:
>I have encountered a circumstance with Eudora users when receiving
>messages with long subject lines from mailman lists. The subject line in
>their email client is blank but if you open the message the entire
>subject line appears on a line beneath the blank one.

      Is this on older versions of Eudora?  I have no such problem with 
6.x, nor with the later 5.x versions.  And what version of Mailman?

<>< Paul





From mjb at cs.utah.edu  Tue Apr 27 19:54:01 2004
From: mjb at cs.utah.edu (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:54:01 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating a list of approved senders
In-Reply-To: <408D43F2.5090607@sas.upenn.edu>
References: <408D43F2.5090607@sas.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <408E9E39.8070509@cs.utah.edu>

There was a patch sent to the list about a year ago that allowed
one to use addresses of the form +listname at our.host as automatically
approved addresses.  We applied it to our Mailman 2.1.1 here at the
U of Utah School of Computing.  It is real handy for professors to
add the teaching assistant list as an approved poster for the class
list.  Basically the patch changes one section of code in Maillist.py
so that if a +listname is found, it checks the membership of that list
to see if the sender is a member.

We don't know yet if the patch will work with Mailman 2.1.4, I'll be
testing it RealSoonNow.

Now, all I have to do is remember where I put the patch source....

mjb.





From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Apr 27 20:00:34 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:00:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for a mailing list provider
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

At 3:46 PM -0400 2004/04/23, Pete Holsberg wrote:

>  I no longer have appropriate privileges on the system where
>  I have my mailing list -- and the admins are being less
>  than cooperative -- so I would like suggestions as to where
>  I might move the list.

	See .

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See  for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Apr 27 20:01:00 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:01:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman support
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

At 8:17 AM -0600 2004/04/24, Steven and Becca wrote:

>   Let me know if you know someone who wants the job.

	For mailman hosting, see 
.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See  for more info.



From karl at sfdata.net  Tue Apr 27 20:07:41 2004
From: karl at sfdata.net (Karl R. Balsmeier)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:07:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Command output: Group mismatch error
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040427110425.02e81e40@mail.sfdata.net>

Check your /etc/exim/configure where directors are called out.  You can run 
exim in debug mode by typing ./exim -d9 -bd, and try sending emails to your 
list, you will catch the error, my error was in my director, I changed 
"guest" to "daemon" and was all set.  You shouldn't have to recompile every 
time, even though alot of people are saying that.  Create logs with the 
debugger of your MTA, logs are your friend.

-krb


At 01:41 PM 4/27/2004 +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
>David Kiner wrote on Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:01:54 +0200:
>
> > I re run mailman port, with make --with-mail-gid=mailman but I have the 
> same
> > result.
> >
>
>I always do it this way:
>make distclean, then *configure* with the above, then make.
>
>Kai
>
>--
>
>Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
>Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
>IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org
>
>
>
>
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From karl at sfdata.net  Tue Apr 27 20:23:35 2004
From: karl at sfdata.net (Karl R. Balsmeier)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:23:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts To List Not Working: But Admin
  Emails Do
In-Reply-To: 
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040427014610.02e0f598@mail.sfdata.net>
	<7720.216.175.81.169.1083048643.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>
	<7720.216.175.81.169.1083048643.squirrel@mail.sfdata.net>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20040427014610.02e0f598@mail.sfdata.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040427111000.02e6ef58@mail.sfdata.net>

Problem was solved as I described, the "log" was created using exim's 
debugger.  You start exim with -d9 -bd, and then you submit a post to a 
list, the Exim debugger "catches" the traffic in real time, and tells you 
in a deeply verbose way what it's doing to deliver the message to the 
list.  It showed about 241 lines down the session starting to error out, a 
nice, verbose error, complete with quasi-solution in quotes.

This is nifty for all sorts of inbound/outbound checks, often telling you 
exactly what you need to do.

The "log" I speak of was simply the transcript of the exim debug level 9 
session.  I made it with my putty client and reviewed it with my boss.  We 
found a broken pipe at line 241, and sure enough, the exim "director" was 
puking on "guest" when it needed "daemon".

Exim uses "directors" and "transports" as mechanisms for getting 
list-related emails to their proper destination.

Many people have googled this error and try to recompile their ports to use 
--with-mail-gid.  I didn't have to do this because the debugger proved you 
can get some precise information, much more than the normal static logs for 
exim (mainlog/rejectlog), and for mailman, because it's so much more 
verbose at d9.

Thanks for showing me where to find the logs in Mailman, these complete the 
picture in stellar fashion, my lists are up and running now, and I noticed 
right away posts sent from squirrelmail-webmail sessions do not 
work.  Squirrelmail is IMAP-based, so i'm assuming the 'post' log will 
contain some errors I can sift a solution for.

My postings from Eudora and Ximian, both of which are using pop3d, work 
great.  Any idea what could be causing this?

Anyhow, much thanks for the info thus far!

-krb




At 10:25 AM 4/27/2004 +0100, Richard Barrett wrote:

>On 27 Apr 2004, at 09:50, Karl R. Balsmeier wrote:
>
>>We found it was a group_id problem in /etc/exim/configure.
>>
>>The following block of code was corrected to read:
>>
>>system_aliases:
>>   driver = aliasfile
>>   file = /etc/mail/aliases
>>   search_type = lsearch
>>   user = daemon
>>   group = daemon
>>   file_transport = address_file
>>   pipe_transport = address_pipe
>>
>>Where group=daemon, it used to say "guest".
>>
>>The log file was what caught this.
>
>Which log file?
>
>>   I opened a console and typed:
>>./usr/local/sbin/exim -d9 -bd
>>
>>The error in the log
>
>Which log?
>
>>looked like this:
>>Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail 
>>wrapper script to be executed as group "daemon", but the system's mail 
>>server executed the mail script as group "guest".  Try tweaking the mail 
>>server to run the script as group "daemon", or re-run configure,
>>providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=guest'.
>>
>>My question about mailman logs is still open in curiosity, -are here 
>>actual logs, or justmethods to check out what's going on?
>
>Maybe I have not understood your question but here goes. Mailman writes a 
>number of logs to its log directory, see below the directory listing from 
>my system. The log file names are fairly explanatory. Normally, the most 
>useful tend to be the error, post, smtp and smtp-failure logs:
>
>user at server:$prefix/logs> ls -1 | grep -v "\."
>bounce
>digest
>error
>fromusenet
>locks
>mischief
>post
>qrunner
>smtp
>smtp-failure
>subscribe
>vette
>
>There will not be much in these logs and the log files may not have even 
>been created if the MTA was failing to deliver to Mailman, as seems to be 
>your case. Without the stimulus of incoming mail the logs may have yet to 
>be opened/created for the first time.
>
>>-krb
>>
>>
>>At 09:43 AM 4/27/2004 +0100, Richard Barrett wrote:
>>
>>>On 27 Apr 2004, at 07:50, Karl R. Balsmeier wrote:
>>>
>>>>Creation and subscription to lists works great, email is making it from
>>>>the mailman host to the mail server, but when I post to a list, (i have
>>>>test users who have joined the list, etc.), nothing comes through?
>>>
>>>Have you started $prefix/bin/mailmanctl (MM version 2.1.x) or installed 
>>>the MM crontab (MM version 2.0.x)?
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Where are the mailman logs?  I'll check em out'...
>>>
>>>$prefix/logs/ is a good place to look; and also check the MTA's mail log 
>>>to check it is delivering to MM successfully
>>>
>>>Are messages accumulating in any of the subdirectories of $prefix/qfiles/ ?
>>>
>>>Take a look a some of the MM FAQ entries (see the link in the std footer 
>>>of mail from the mailman-users list)




From rufranco at utep.edu  Tue Apr 27 21:11:46 2004
From: rufranco at utep.edu (Franco, Ruben)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:11:46 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup / Recover of Lists or mailman application.
Message-ID: 

In the event of the corruption of an individual list or loss of the entire Mailman server, are there any tips for recovery for either individual lists or for restoration the entire mailman application from a tape backup?   Are there any specific directories or files that need to be restore to recover an individual list from backup?






From webmaster at pczero.net  Tue Apr 27 22:45:11 2004
From: webmaster at pczero.net (Webmaster)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:45:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Who Broken
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040427164051.01e41448@mail.pc0.net>

I have a MM 2.13 list on a cPanel box.  When I go into the admin pages I 
see there are in excess of 5,000 people subscribed to the list.  I send the 
email to listname-request at domain.com with the 'who' command so I can get a 
listing of subscribers but all I get is either a reply telling me the usage 
of the 'who' command or an email with no addresses listed as being subscribed.

I have tried sending 'who' with and without the password.
I have tried sending 'who' as the subject and in the body.
I have tried setting the privacy option for view subscriptions to all three 
values.

Any idea why I cannot get MM to send me the subscriber list?  I have this 
client moving to a new server and they need a list of subscribers before 
the move.


Thanks,
DB





From chardlist at chard.net  Tue Apr 27 22:55:37 2004
From: chardlist at chard.net (Brendan Chard)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:55:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correct Terminology for Mailman
Message-ID: <200404272056.i3RKuHPP089089@server5.chard.net>

It seems that a lot of terms are floating around out there that all mean (in
some fashion) an electronic mailing list that allows member communication.
My question pertains to the word "listserv".  Is it ok to refer to a list on
a mailman server as a "listserv"?  I know there is a mailing list server
product out there called LISTSERV, but has it gotten to the point that say
the word "Kleenex" has?  What are quick one or two word descriptors that
folks are using to refer to their mailman lists?

Thanks,
-Brendan
brendan at chard.net





From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Tue Apr 27 23:12:29 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:12:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <20040427171735.GA6906@allhats.xcski.com>
Message-ID: <408E6A4D.15842.282398@localhost>

I have never used it, but Sourceforge.net lists Smart Archiver as a 
replacement for pipermail:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/smartarchiver/

Maybe someone else has used here?  If not and you use, let us all 
know how it worked out.





Date sent:      	Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:17:35 -0400
From:           	Paul Tomblin 
To:             	mailman-users at python.org
Subject:        	[Mailman-Users] Archives?

> Does anybody have any suggestions for archiving software better than the
> built-in pipermail?  I'd really like something with searching and sorting
> functionality.
> 
> -- 
> Paul Tomblin  http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
> "The government turns every contingency into an excuse for enhancing power
> in itself" -John Adams
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

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However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
inconvenienced.



From webmaster at pczero.net  Tue Apr 27 23:13:40 2004
From: webmaster at pczero.net (Webmaster)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:13:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Who Broken
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040427164051.01e41448@mail.pc0.net>
References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040427164051.01e41448@mail.pc0.net>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040427171153.01e533c0@mail.pczero.net>

More info provided...  Here is the email that I get when I send the 'who' 
command.

<--- START --->
The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
original message.

- Results:
     Non-digest (regular) members:

- Done.
<---  END  --->

Any idea why there would be no list of subscribers when there are almost 
6000 people on the list?


At 04:45 PM 4/27/2004, Webmaster wrote:
 >
 >I have a MM 2.13 list on a cPanel box.  When I go into the admin pages I
 >see there are in excess of 5,000 people subscribed to the list.  I send the
 >email to listname-request at domain.com with the 'who' command so I can get a
 >listing of subscribers but all I get is either a reply telling me the usage
 >of the 'who' command or an email with no addresses listed as being 
subscribed.
 >
 >I have tried sending 'who' with and without the password.
 >I have tried sending 'who' as the subject and in the body.
 >I have tried setting the privacy option for view subscriptions to all three
 >values.
 >
 >Any idea why I cannot get MM to send me the subscriber list?  I have this
 >client moving to a new server and they need a list of subscribers before
 >the move.
 >
 >
 >Thanks,
 >DB
 >
 >
 >
 >------------------------------------------------------
 >Mailman-Users mailing list
 >Mailman-Users at python.org
 >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
 >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
 >
 >
 >
 > 





From maillists at conactive.com  Tue Apr 27 23:32:26 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 23:32:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup / Recover of Lists or mailman application.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

Ruben Franco wrote on Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:11:46 -0600:

> In the event of the corruption of an individual list or loss of the
> entire Mailman server, are there any tips for recovery for either
> individual lists or for restoration the entire mailman application from
> a tape backup?   Are there any specific directories or files that need
> to be restore to recover an individual list from backup?
>

for backing up lists: /usr/local/mailman/lists
for the whole installation: /usr/local/mailman
assuming it's installed to the standard path.
It's really easy!


Kai

-- 

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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Apr 27 23:45:31 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 23:45:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correct Terminology for Mailman
In-Reply-To: <200404272056.i3RKuHPP089089@server5.chard.net>
References: <200404272056.i3RKuHPP089089@server5.chard.net>
Message-ID: 

At 4:55 PM -0400 2004/04/27, Brendan Chard wrote:

>  It seems that a lot of terms are floating around out there that all mean (in
>  some fashion) an electronic mailing list that allows member communication.
>  My question pertains to the word "listserv".  Is it ok to refer to a list on
>  a mailman server as a "listserv"?

	The term "listserv" never really caught on outside of the 
LISTSERV community.  The standard terms that I have heard applied are 
"mailing list", or maybe "mail list", over the decade-plus that I've 
been doing this sort of stuff.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See  for more info.



From rufranco at utep.edu  Wed Apr 28 00:05:16 2004
From: rufranco at utep.edu (Franco, Ruben)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:05:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup / Recover of Lists or mailman application.
Message-ID: 

So does the "lists" sub-directory contain data for each individual list including rosters and digests?

Ruben



-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Kai Schaetzl
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 3:32 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Backup / Recover of Lists or mailman
application.


Ruben Franco wrote on Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:11:46 -0600:

> In the event of the corruption of an individual list or loss of the
> entire Mailman server, are there any tips for recovery for either
> individual lists or for restoration the entire mailman application from
> a tape backup?   Are there any specific directories or files that need
> to be restore to recover an individual list from backup?
>

for backing up lists: /usr/local/mailman/lists
for the whole installation: /usr/local/mailman
assuming it's installed to the standard path.
It's really easy!


Kai

-- 

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From worldoff9908 at sacbeemail.com  Wed Apr 28 00:12:08 2004
From: worldoff9908 at sacbeemail.com (NFN Smith)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:12:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] News -> Mail: no mail!
Message-ID: 

I'm in the process of setting up a server with the following:

- Fedora Core 1
- Mailman 2.1.4, installed from RPM supplied with Fedora;
- Sendmail 8.12.10, also installed from RPM;
- INN 2.3.5

I'm doing this setup as an internal server, so I'm not exchanging
traffic with the Internet at larger.

Where I currently am is that I have Mailman working fine as a mailing
list server, and no problems at all with INN as a news server.  I also
am not having any difficutly of getting mail to news.

However, where I am having difficulties is in getting messages
composed in news back to mail.  In my mailman configs, I'm pretty much
running with default settings -- in fact, the only things I'm
specifying in my mm_cfg.py are the necessary settings for the server name.

I do have all the supplied activities running in the mailman user's
crontab, and those are running on the specified schedules.

The specific place where I'm having problems is when I run gate_news,
I'm getting no response, other than a single log entry in /var/log/cron:

Apr 27 15:00:01 bronze CROND[12436]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S
/var/mailman/cron/gate_news)

If I run gate_news from a shell prompt, I get a pause for a few
seconds, and then a new prompt, but no other output.

I've checked all of my logs, including /var/log/maillog and
/var/log/mailman/*, and there are no updates to any of these logs
following gate_news runs.

I also checked all the steps in the troubleshooting section (3.14) of
the Mailman FAQ.  The only thing that turned up other than what should
be is that that a check_perms check showed that the permissions of the
files in /var/mailman/qfiles were incorrect.  On the advice of
check_perms, I ran 'chmod 02775 *' on the directory.  (These files
have owner:group set to:  mailman:mailman ).  I then restarted all the
mailman services by rebooting the machine.  Following that, I'm still
having the same behavior.

What I'm missing has to be something small, but I'm not seeing it. 
Any clues?

Thanks in advance.

Smith

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From maillists at conactive.com  Wed Apr 28 00:31:36 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 00:31:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correct Terminology for Mailman
In-Reply-To: <200404272056.i3RKuHPP089089@server5.chard.net>
References: <200404272056.i3RKuHPP089089@server5.chard.net>
Message-ID: 

Brendan Chard wrote on Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:55:37 -0400:

> Is it ok to refer to a list on
> a mailman server as a "listserv"?

You could refer to the mailman machine running the lists or the conglomerate 
of runners as a "list server" or listserv if you like, but a list? Why 
should a list in itself be a "listserv"?

I know there is a mailing list server
> product out there called LISTSERV, but has it gotten to the point that say
> the word "Kleenex" has?  What are quick one or two word descriptors that
> folks are using to refer to their mailman lists?
>

mailing list? list?


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
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From prodos at prodos.com  Wed Apr 28 01:37:41 2004
From: prodos at prodos.com (prodos at prodos.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:37:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: How does Mailman compare with YahooGroups?
Message-ID: <20040427233741.28277.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net>

From: Prodos (Melbourne, Australia)
To: Chris Barnes

Good morning!


[Prodos:]
> > Would anyone on this list care to offer a comparison?
> > Or, if you are an ex-YahooGroups user, say why you changed
> > to Mailman? Or, if you know of an already existing comparison
> > online somewhere, perhaps you could send me the URL.



[Chris:]
> For pure mailing list capabilities, MM (and other "real mailing list
> managers" such as Lsoft's Listserv, majordomo, etc) have Yahoo groups
> beat hands down.
> 
> * no advertising (some of which is of less than acceptable topics for
> lists my kids get!)
> 

Okay.


> * Better response time (depending on your connection)
> 

Okay.


> But if you are enamored with the extra features in yahoogroups such as
> the calendar, file sharing, etc - you might be disappointed. 

No, I never use any of those functions, personally.


> None of
> these others have any of that.  Just as well since I hate those things
> anyway...
> 

Okay.

Thanks for those comments. Most appreciated!  =]:-)

Best Wishes,

PRODOS

http://prodos.com - Internet Radio

"Discover the power. Of ideas!"










From srb at umich.edu  Wed Apr 28 02:07:46 2004
From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:07:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correct Terminology for Mailman
In-Reply-To: <200404272056.i3RKuHPP089089@server5.chard.net>
References: <200404272056.i3RKuHPP089089@server5.chard.net>
Message-ID: 

--On Tuesday, April 27, 2004 4:55 PM -0400 Brendan Chard 
 wrote:

> What are quick one or two word descriptors that folks are using to refer
> to their mailman lists?

To which I reply:

"Mailing List".

-- 
Steve Burling                                    
University of Michigan, ICPSR                    Voice: +1 734 615.3779
330 Packard Street                               FAX:   +1 734 647.8700
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From prodos at prodos.com  Wed Apr 28 02:27:45 2004
From: prodos at prodos.com (prodos at prodos.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:27:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: How does Mailman compare with YahooGroups?
Message-ID: <20040428002745.354.qmail@webmail03.mesa1.secureserver.net>

From: Prodos (Melbourne, Australia)
To: texas critter & list

Dear texas critter,

Good morning. Thanks for your reply ....


[Prodos:] 
> > Or, if you are an ex-YahooGroups user, say why you changed
> > to Mailman?
> 


[texas critter:]
> Because Mailman *works*.  Any large free service is bound to 
> have a level of unreliability and with Mailman, I have reliability,
> fast delivery of emails, the ability to save the archives all in 
> one plain text mbox file to my local hard drive.
> 

Okay.


> I never use the web features of Yahoogroups much, I mainly run mailing
> lists.  

Me too.


> And with v2.1, Mailman has the most important features of
> Yahoogroups, moderating new members, moderating individual members,
> stripping html and/or attachments and searching the member list.
> 

Okay.


> And there's no advertising! :)  And less spam on my own 
> domains than at Yahoogroups.
> 

Okay.


[Prodos:]
> > I've been using YahooGroups (previously eGroups) for my various
> > discussion and bulletin lists for years. I think they are very good.
> > But I'm now looking around for alternatives.


[texas critter:]
> I still run some Yahoogroups and in some cases, I have
> duplicate lists, people can choose to join the YG group 
> or the Mailman list.

Really? May I ask why do you provide such an option?
Do some of your members prefer - feel more comfortable
with - YahooGroups? Why would that be the case? Do you know?


>  But I still prefer my Mailman lists over Yahoogroups.  
> Yahoogroups is free, but you get what you pay for, so I 
> expect it to not work reliably and to break from
> time to time (and Yahoo usually fulfills my expectations ;)).

Okay.


>  But my
> Mailman lists just keep going like the energizer bunny.
> 

I think the earlier Energizer adverts featured an Aussie
footballer called "Jacko". The guy who used to say "Oy!"
Just thought I'd throw that in since McDonalds is now
also run by an Aussie. As is Coca Cola. And Fox media.  :-)


> Since I moved to my own server, I'm discovering all 
> the things I can do with root access to Mailman.
> 

Okay. Do you mean that you use "Python" to alter the
functions of your Mailman list?


> If you like and use the Yahoogroups web features, you might find
> bulletin boards/forums like PhpBB or Invision boards to be an easier
> transition, it's web based but boards can send email notices 
> of new posts in threads or boards so that keeps people involved
> and checking in at the website.
> 

Thanks for that information.


> It all depends on what your lists and the membership use and like the
> most.
> 

My lists are mainly moderated discussion lists: Physics, 
pro-Capitalism philosophy and politics, creative thinking tutorials, etc.


> (and I loved eGroups and Onelist before that, I still miss them! 
> and the great people that used to work there before Yahoo 
> chased them all away.)
> 

That's a pity.


> > And what about Majordomo? How does that compare with Mailman?
> 
> I haven't used Majordomo in years but I happened to look at the
> Majordomo site recently, v1 (which I used at one time for a couple
> years) is straight mailing lists, all admin is thru email commands,
> no web interface, no archives.
> 

Okay.


> v2 is supposed to really good and with the MajorCool web interface,
> similar to Mailman v2.  But from what I could see, there's not a lot of
> development going on with Majordomo.  I prefer using something 
> that is still being developed and improved.
> 

That makes sense. Okay.

The two main concerns I have with Mailman are:

1. That it doesn't allow the moderator to edit the subject 
line and body of a message.

I've found there is a patch which can provide this function @

https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=644129&group_id=103&atid=300103

... but I wonder how well tested this is.

2. I'm concerned about how easy it will be for a not-very-technical
fellow like me to set it up and run. YahooGroups is a breeze to operate.
Will I need to learn a language like Python to operate Mailman?
(Sorry if my questions are astoundingly dumb.)

If you or other [mailman-users] members have any comments on these
concerns I would value your thoughts. Thanks.

> hth,

Very much so! Thanks!  :-)


Best Wishes,

PRODOS

"The rich get richer. The poor get richer. Imagine ... Capitalism!"

http://CelebrateCapitalism.ORG









From prodos at prodos.com  Wed Apr 28 02:35:50 2004
From: prodos at prodos.com (prodos at prodos.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:35:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: How does Mailman compare with YahooGroups?
Message-ID: <20040428003550.936.qmail@webmail03.mesa1.secureserver.net>

From: Prodos (Melbourne, Australia)
To: Glenn Sieb

Howdy!


[Prodos:]
> >>Would anyone on this list care to offer a comparison?
> >>Or, if you are an ex-YahooGroups user, say why you changed
> >>to Mailman? Or, if you know of an already existing comparison
> >>online somewhere, perhaps you could send me the URL.


[Chris Barnes:]
> >For pure mailing list capabilities, MM (and other "real mailing list
> >managers" such as Lsoft's Listserv, majordomo, etc) have Yahoo groups
> >beat hands down.
> >
> >* no advertising (some of which is of less than acceptable topics for
> >lists my kids get!)
> >
> >* Better response time (depending on your connection)
> >
> >
> >But if you are enamored with the extra features in yahoogroups such
> as
> >the calendar, file sharing, etc - you might be disappointed.  None of
> >these others have any of that.  Just as well since I hate those
> >things anyway...



[Glenn:]
> Yes--if you're looking for community-based mailing lists, MM will not
> do...


Will NOT do?

Hmm ... okay.


> I've toyed with writing something around MM to more emulate the
> YahooGroups functionality that way, as A) I _was_ a user of those
> features B) People I know who run groups on Yahoo, haven't taken me up
> on my offer of hosting on my server, because MM *doesn't* offer
> calendars, integrated web-posting, et cetera, that they actively
> use.on Yahool.

Okay.


> Unfortunately, it's the old axiom: It's a Simple Matter of
> Programming. Now to only find the _time_ to do that programming. :-/

Maybe a future version of Mailman will offer some of those functions.

Thanks for your comments.

=]:-)

PRODOS

http://prodos.com - Internet Radio

"Discover the power. Of ideas!"








From prodos at prodos.com  Wed Apr 28 02:48:17 2004
From: prodos at prodos.com (prodos at prodos.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:48:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: How does Mailman compare with YahooGroups?
Message-ID: <20040428004817.22537.qmail@webmail01.mesa1.secureserver.net>

From: Prodos (Melbourne, Australia)
To: Paul H Byerly

Dear Paul,

Thanks for your comments ....


[Prodos:]
> >I'm writing to ask about comparing Mailman with YahooGroups.
> >
> >Would anyone on this list care to offer a comparison?
>


[Paul:]
>       Mailman does not allow posting from the archives.

Ah! Good point. That's a big minus.


> There is a program know as M2F that will tie Mailman and
> phpbb together - see
> http://m2f.sourceforge.net (public beta).
> I've not yet tried that integration, but it looks promising.  Mailman does
> not have a files section, or calender.


Thanks. I'll have a look at it.



> It does not have a built in archive
> search, but one that far exceeds Yahoo's can be easily added.


Do you (or other mailman-users members) know where I can
find the "patch" for that please?


> HTML is not well supported.
>

Okay.


[Prodos:]
> >Or, if you are an ex-YahooGroups user, say why you changed
> >to Mailman?
>


[Paul:]
>       Yahoo has been increasingly unreliable, and the ads are worse and
> worse.  Some of the list moved from Yahoo to Mailman are now boards run
> on phpbb - look at both and see what best fits your needs, or look at the
> M2F method of combining the two
>

Thanks for that suggestion.



=]:-)

PRODOS

http://prodos.com - Internet Radio

"Discover the power. Of ideas!"







From ges+lists at wingfoot.org  Wed Apr 28 02:49:44 2004
From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:49:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: How does Mailman compare with YahooGroups?
In-Reply-To: <20040428003550.936.qmail@webmail03.mesa1.secureserver.net>
References: <20040428003550.936.qmail@webmail03.mesa1.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <408EFFA8.6050500@wingfoot.org>

prodos at prodos.com said the following on 4/27/2004 8:35 PM:

>>Yes--if you're looking for community-based mailing lists, MM will not
>>do...
>>    
>>
>Will NOT do?
>
>Hmm ... okay.
>  
>
If you look at what people _use_ Yahoogroups for, it's not just for a 
mailing list in general--it's being used to schedule get togethers, keep 
track of members' birthdays, et cetera. Mailman doesn't do all that (at 
least, not efficiently, unless you count some poor schmuck being stuck 
with the duties of emailing the whole list every week/month/etc to keep 
everyone up to date ;) ). And, from the past comments I've seen on the 
subject, it's not something that interests the dev team (and that's 
fine.. no one said they had to find it interesting .. I'm just 
mentioning it as this subject has been brought up in the past...

>Maybe a future version of Mailman will offer some of those functions.
>  
>
See above :)

>Thanks for your comments.
>  
>
NP

Glenn




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Apr 28 03:23:10 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 03:23:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: How does Mailman compare with
 YahooGroups?
In-Reply-To: <20040428004817.22537.qmail@webmail01.mesa1.secureserver.net>
References: <20040428004817.22537.qmail@webmail01.mesa1.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: 

At 5:48 PM -0700 2004/04/27, prodos at prodos.com wrote:

>>  It does not have a built in archive
>>  search, but one that far exceeds Yahoo's can be easily added.
>
>  Do you (or other mailman-users members) know where I can
>  find the "patch" for that please?

	See 
 
and 
.

>>  HTML is not well supported.
>
>  Okay.

	I wouldn't say that "HTML is not well supported".  The built-in 
pipermail archiver isn't so great with HTML, but this can be 
remedied.  Mailman itself does a pretty reasonable job with regards 
to the messages as they are actually sent out, considering just how 
difficult various programs make this process.

	I would encourage you to search the archives for more details on 
this subject.




	Out of curiosity, do you remember the original ProDOS?  Apple ]I[?

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See  for more info.



From maillists at conactive.com  Wed Apr 28 17:31:33 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:31:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup / Recover of Lists or mailman application.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

Ruben Franco wrote on Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:05:16 -0600:

> So does the "lists" sub-directory contain data for each individual list
> including rosters and digests?
>

you mean archives? They are in the archives directory. Just have a look at 
your mailman directory. It's all quite clean and neatly arranged and 
should be self-explaining. As for the members of the list, it looks like 
they are in the lists directory as well. Probably in the config.pck. When 
I last cloned a mailing list by copying the directory I got all the 
members with it, so they must be there as well.


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From qralston+ml.mailman-developers at andrew.cmu.edu  Wed Apr 28 02:23:59 2004
From: qralston+ml.mailman-developers at andrew.cmu.edu (James Ralston)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:23:59 -0400
Subject: removing arbitrary headers [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] 
In-Reply-To: <14E3383C-8662-11D8-8B76-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
References: <40704E69.6515.D517F5@localhost> <40705791.29902.F8D978@localhost>
	<14E3383C-8662-11D8-8B76-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <26260000.1083111839@pcmy.sei.cmu.edu>

On 2004-04-04 at 11:01:22-07 Chuq Von Rospach  wrote:
> I definitely see it as useful to be able to strip out headers that
> cause systems to auto-reply with a return receipt.

IMHO, this statement can be shortened to "I definitely think it would
be useful to strip out arbitrary headers."

Case in point: we use SpamAssassin to analyze and tag incoming email
(meaning, email received from external sites).  All scanned messages
receive an "X-Spam-Status" header; messages which scored as probable
spam also receive an "X-Spam-Level" header.  This permits mailing list
owners to add this bounce_matching_headers rule:

    x-spam-level: \.

But we'd like to have these headers removed when the message is
distributed to the members of the list.

While I can strip those headers at the MTA level (the combination of
sendmail + MIMEDefang is a wonderful thing), it can be tricky to do it
correctly.  I think it would be cleaner to strip them from within
Mailman.

If, at some point in the future, I feel that my Python skills are up
to the task, I'll probably take a crack at implementing something like
this.  But until then (or until someone else beats me to it), I think
it's definitely a good idea.

-- 
James Ralston, Information Technology
Software Engineering Institute
Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA, USA




From lists at lastonepicked.com  Wed Apr 28 18:14:38 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:14:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reset All Users Disabled By Bouncing?
Message-ID: 

Is there a way to reset all users that are set to nomail[B] to re-enable
delivery?

We recently had a situation where AOL was blocking all of our mail, so
everyone on our list that is on AOL is now blocked for excessive bouncing...

We have 20,000 members on our list on AOL, so doing it by hand sounds about
as great as having my hand chopped off.

I tried searching the archives and google to no avail.

We're running 2.1.4. Thanks.




From maillists at conactive.com  Wed Apr 28 18:31:35 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:31:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to list all members of a list/search broken
Message-ID: 

There doesn't seem to be an option for listing all members on the web 
interface and there's also no chance to do it with the search. Search 
obviously transforms strings automatically to regexes (that is I can 
search for a string and don't need to create a regex), but it doesn't 
produce a result when I use only one character or a regex which would 
output all members.


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From MarkRoedel at letu.edu  Wed Apr 28 18:45:04 2004
From: MarkRoedel at letu.edu (Roedel, Mark)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:45:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a hostname other than the server's primary
	name...
Message-ID: 


Brief Overview:
===============
The box that currently hosts our Mailman lists has several different
hostnames, some of which (including its primary) are only resolvable
from inside our firewall.  While Mailman is configured to prefer a
non-primary hostname, generated emails include the primary hostname in
some of their headers (including "Sender", "Return-path", and
"Reply-to"), resulting in the use of addresses which are undeliverable
from outside our local network.

Is it possible to override this behavior?



Detailed Information:
=====================
The primary hostname of the server which hosts our Mailman lists is
"baruch.letnet.net".  For a number of reasons, this hostname is not
resolvable from outside our firewall.

This server has additional hostnames ("www.letu.edu" and
"lists.letu.edu") which are resolvable and accessible from outside our
firewall.

Lists are configured with host_name (Host name this list prefers for
email) set to "lists.letu.edu".

An e-mail sent through the list, however, gets headers which include the
following:

> From: "Roedel, Mark" 
> X-BeenThere: deck3 at lists.letu.edu
> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5c2
> Reply-To: Deck 3 alumni and friends 
> List-Id: Deck 3 alumni and friends 
> List-Unsubscribe: ,
> 	
> List-Archive: 
> List-Post: 
> List-Help: 
> List-Subscribe: ,
> 	
> Sender: deck3-bounces at baruch.letnet.net
> Errors-To: deck3-bounces at baruch.letnet.net
> Return-Path: deck3-bounces at baruch.letnet.net

Any way (using the SMTPDirect handler, in case that matters) to ensure
that all headers that refer to the list address use the correct
hostname?  Reply-To is the most visible problem for list subscribers,
and although I can of course override that by providing an explicit
reply-to address, it seems like it'd also be to our benefit to have
Sender/Errors-To/Return-Path contain reachable addresses as well...

--
Mark Roedel
Web Programmer / Analyst
LeTourneau University
Longview, Texas  USA



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Apr 28 19:33:04 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:33:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to list all members of a list/search broken
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20040428173304.GT17824@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> There doesn't seem to be an option for listing all members on the web 
> interface and there's also no chance to do it with the search.

There is, but it's not in the obvious place that list admins would
look for it.  Check the bottom of the listinfo page for your list and
you can get the subscriber list from there.

IMHO, this link ought to be in the admin section someplace too.  A
trivial patch to add this to the "Other Administrative Activities"
section would look like this (leaving i18n as an exercise for the
interested):

- --- mailman-2.1.4/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py~	Wed Dec 24 12:27:45 2003
+++ mailman-2.1.4/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py	Wed Apr 28 13:23:35 2004
@@ -412,6 +412,8 @@
                             _('Tend to pending moderator requests')))
     otherlinks.AddItem(Link(mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo'),
                             _('Go to the general list information page')))
+    otherlinks.AddItem(Link(mlist.GetScriptURL('roster'),
+                            _('View all members of this list')))
     otherlinks.AddItem(Link(mlist.GetScriptURL('edithtml'),
                             _('Edit the public HTML pages')))
     otherlinks.AddItem(Link(mlist.GetBaseArchiveURL(),

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
The human race divides itself politically into those who want to be
controlled, and those who have no such desire.
    -- Robert A. Heinlein

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From relson at osagesoftware.com  Wed Apr 28 21:29:50 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:29:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reset All Users Disabled By Bouncing?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20040428152950.1de3bd8e@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:14:38 -0700
Hunter Hillegas wrote:

> Is there a way to reset all users that are set to nomail[B] to
> re-enable delivery?
> 
> We recently had a situation where AOL was blocking all of our mail, so
> everyone on our list that is on AOL is now blocked for excessive
> bouncing...
> 
> We have 20,000 members on our list on AOL, so doing it by hand sounds
> about as great as having my hand chopped off.
> 
> I tried searching the archives and google to no avail.
> 
> We're running 2.1.4. Thanks.

Perhaps the following idea will be helpful:

$prefix/list_members can give a list of members
grep can select the aol subscribers
??? can use _that_ list to re-enable the users



From MarkRoedel at letu.edu  Wed Apr 28 21:34:32 2004
From: MarkRoedel at letu.edu (Roedel, Mark)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:34:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reset All Users Disabled By Bouncing?
Message-ID: 


Even better:

	$prefix/list_members --nomail=B

would give a list of only those list members with the criteria requested
by the original poster.  (Exists in 2.1.5rc2...not sure if it was around
prior to that or not.)

--
Mark Roedel
Web Programmer / Analyst
LeTourneau University



-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of David Relson
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:30 PM
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Reset All Users Disabled By Bouncing?

> Is there a way to reset all users that are set to nomail[B] to
> re-enable delivery?

Perhaps the following idea will be helpful:

$prefix/list_members can give a list of members
grep can select the aol subscribers
??? can use _that_ list to re-enable the users




From mailman-users at xonx.de  Wed Apr 28 21:56:30 2004
From: mailman-users at xonx.de (Steffen Mueller)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:56:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a hostname other than the server's primary
	name...
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <40900C6E.4020706@xonx.de>

On 04/28/04 18:45 Roedel, Mark wrote:
> Brief Overview:
> ===============
> The box that currently hosts our Mailman lists has several different
> hostnames, some of which (including its primary) are only resolvable
> from inside our firewall.  While Mailman is configured to prefer a
> non-primary hostname, generated emails include the primary hostname in
> some of their headers (including "Sender", "Return-path", and
> "Reply-to"), resulting in the use of addresses which are undeliverable
> from outside our local network.
> 
> Is it possible to override this behavior?
> 

Hi.

Check your MTA configuration for missing domain/name directives.

We're using exim 3.35 and had similar problems. After adding a domain 
directive to the mailman director our probs were solved:
domains = lists.letu.edu

-- 
cheers,
Steffen



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Apr 28 22:12:52 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 22:12:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a hostname other than the
	server's primary 	name...
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

At 11:45 AM -0500 2004/04/28, Roedel, Mark wrote:

>  The box that currently hosts our Mailman lists has several different
>  hostnames, some of which (including its primary) are only resolvable
>  from inside our firewall.

	[ ... deletia ... ]

>  Is it possible to override this behavior?

	Yes, but it depends on your MTA.  We recently did this on a mail 
server I am responsible for.

	With postfix, you set $myhostname equal to the value you want the 
outside world to see.  You will also need to set $smtp_bind_address 
to the IP address you want to use for outbound connections.

	So long as $myhostname resolves to the IP address specified in 
$smtp_bind_address, for which the reverse DNS points back to the same 
name claimed in $myhostname, you should be set.

	Note that you may need to make firewall changes to support these 
application changes.  Many firewalls are configured to allow incoming 
connections, and outgoing packets are only allowed for "established" 
connections (i.e., in response to a given incoming connection). 
Outbound connections are typically more limited, and may not include 
the IP address you specify in $smtp_bind_address.

>  Any way (using the SMTPDirect handler, in case that matters) to ensure
>  that all headers that refer to the list address use the correct
>  hostname?  Reply-To is the most visible problem for list subscribers,
>  and although I can of course override that by providing an explicit
>  reply-to address, it seems like it'd also be to our benefit to have
>  Sender/Errors-To/Return-Path contain reachable addresses as well...

	There's no way to fix this problem from within Mailman.  You have 
to fix this problem inside your MTA.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See  for more info.



From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Wed Apr 28 22:24:35 2004
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:24:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reset All Users Disabled By Bouncing?
In-Reply-To: <20040428152950.1de3bd8e@osage.osagesoftware.com>
References: 
	<20040428152950.1de3bd8e@osage.osagesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <40901303.1060705@mitre.org>

Hello,

David Relson wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:14:38 -0700
> Hunter Hillegas wrote:
>>Is there a way to reset all users that are set to nomail[B] to
>>re-enable delivery?
> 
> Perhaps the following idea will be helpful:
> 
> $prefix/list_members can give a list of members
> grep can select the aol subscribers
> ??? can use _that_ list to re-enable the users

Ideally, list_members would have switches to display any attribute a 
user could have.  Then update_members could change any attribute a user 
could have.

So far, each started fairly simple and added more capabilities.

I believe that 3.0, integrating a data base for users, is expected to be 
able to handle these kinds of updates much more easily.

In the meantime, if you can find someone who knows Python and has time, 
you can add the capability to update_members to reset the nomail 
setting.  I have done some of that kind of thing in the past, but no 
longer have the time, really.

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own





From maillists at conactive.com  Wed Apr 28 22:31:36 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 22:31:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No welcome mail
Message-ID: 

I usually subscribe members to our announce-only lists via web interface 
and don't send them a welcome notice. But today I did and found that 
nothing gets sent. Unsubscription sends an unsubscribe confirmation to the 
member and I also get my list-admin notice when I tick it. But no welcome 
mail for the new member. No problems in the logs, there's simply no 
attempt to produce the message as far as I can see.
Could this be a problem with 2.1.5rc2? I don't remember if I ever tried it 
with 2.1.4.

While checking the logs I found actions getting logged like

new "email at address" <>, admin mass sub

which implies it should normally (when I add names as well) look like

"name" 

operation is ok, but I wonder why it does log this way and not f.i.

"" 


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From MarkRoedel at letu.edu  Wed Apr 28 22:39:03 2004
From: MarkRoedel at letu.edu (Roedel, Mark)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:39:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a hostname other than the server's
	primaryname... (additional information)
Message-ID: 


Thanks for the responses...hopefully I'll be able to massage them into
something useful.

I was skeptical that the problem pointed to an MTA configuration issue,
because I got the same set of headers when I changed SMTPHOST in my
mm_cfg.py from 'localhost' to point to another of our SMTP servers.
(Both the Mailman server and the other one I'd tried are running
Sendmail.)

However, on a whim, I just changed it to direct outbound messages to our
Exchange server's SMTP service, and everything seems to be peachy-keen.

Harrumph.  So far I've got suggested directives for Exim and
Postfix...anybody slogged through this with Sendmail before and have a
pointer?

--
Mark Roedel
Web Programmer / Analyst
LeTourneau University
Longview, Texas  USA
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Roedel, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 11:45 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a hostname other than the server's
primaryname...


Brief Overview:
===============
The box that currently hosts our Mailman lists has several different
hostnames, some of which (including its primary) are only resolvable
from inside our firewall.  While Mailman is configured to prefer a
non-primary hostname, generated emails include the primary hostname in
some of their headers (including "Sender", "Return-path", and
"Reply-to"), resulting in the use of addresses which are undeliverable
from outside our local network.

Is it possible to override this behavior?



Detailed Information:
=====================
The primary hostname of the server which hosts our Mailman lists is
"baruch.letnet.net".  For a number of reasons, this hostname is not
resolvable from outside our firewall.

This server has additional hostnames ("www.letu.edu" and
"lists.letu.edu") which are resolvable and accessible from outside our
firewall.

Lists are configured with host_name (Host name this list prefers for
email) set to "lists.letu.edu".

An e-mail sent through the list, however, gets headers which include the
following:

> From: "Roedel, Mark" 
> X-BeenThere: deck3 at lists.letu.edu
> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5c2
> Reply-To: Deck 3 alumni and friends 
> List-Id: Deck 3 alumni and friends 
> List-Unsubscribe: ,
> 	
> List-Archive: 
> List-Post: 
> List-Help: 
> List-Subscribe: ,
> 	
> Sender: deck3-bounces at baruch.letnet.net
> Errors-To: deck3-bounces at baruch.letnet.net
> Return-Path: deck3-bounces at baruch.letnet.net

Any way (using the SMTPDirect handler, in case that matters) to ensure
that all headers that refer to the list address use the correct
hostname?  Reply-To is the most visible problem for list subscribers,
and although I can of course override that by providing an explicit
reply-to address, it seems like it'd also be to our benefit to have
Sender/Errors-To/Return-Path contain reachable addresses as well...




From steve at celineandsteve.com  Wed Apr 28 22:49:03 2004
From: steve at celineandsteve.com (Steve Williams)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:49:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a hostname other than the
	server's	primaryname... (additional information)
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <409018BF.7030208@celineandsteve.com>

Hi,

I am very new to Mailman and ran into the same problem.  I resolved it 
by doing my configure with:

./configure --with-mailhost=maillisthost.com 
--with-urlhost=www.maillisthost.com

then make, make install, and it resolved the problem! 

Good Luck..

Cheers,
Steve

Roedel, Mark wrote:

>Thanks for the responses...hopefully I'll be able to massage them into
>something useful.
>
>I was skeptical that the problem pointed to an MTA configuration issue,
>because I got the same set of headers when I changed SMTPHOST in my
>mm_cfg.py from 'localhost' to point to another of our SMTP servers.
>(Both the Mailman server and the other one I'd tried are running
>Sendmail.)
>
>However, on a whim, I just changed it to direct outbound messages to our
>Exchange server's SMTP service, and everything seems to be peachy-keen.
>
>Harrumph.  So far I've got suggested directives for Exim and
>Postfix...anybody slogged through this with Sendmail before and have a
>pointer?
>
>--
>Mark Roedel
>Web Programmer / Analyst
>LeTourneau University
>Longview, Texas  USA
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
>[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Roedel, Mark
>Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 11:45 AM
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a hostname other than the server's
>primaryname...
>
>
>Brief Overview:
>===============
>The box that currently hosts our Mailman lists has several different
>hostnames, some of which (including its primary) are only resolvable
>from inside our firewall.  While Mailman is configured to prefer a
>non-primary hostname, generated emails include the primary hostname in
>some of their headers (including "Sender", "Return-path", and
>"Reply-to"), resulting in the use of addresses which are undeliverable
>from outside our local network.
>
>Is it possible to override this behavior?
>
>
>
>Detailed Information:
>=====================
>The primary hostname of the server which hosts our Mailman lists is
>"baruch.letnet.net".  For a number of reasons, this hostname is not
>resolvable from outside our firewall.
>
>This server has additional hostnames ("www.letu.edu" and
>"lists.letu.edu") which are resolvable and accessible from outside our
>firewall.
>
>Lists are configured with host_name (Host name this list prefers for
>email) set to "lists.letu.edu".
>
>An e-mail sent through the list, however, gets headers which include the
>following:
>
>  
>
>>From: "Roedel, Mark" 
>>X-BeenThere: deck3 at lists.letu.edu
>>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5c2
>>Reply-To: Deck 3 alumni and friends 
>>List-Id: Deck 3 alumni and friends 
>>List-Unsubscribe: ,
>>	
>>List-Archive: 
>>List-Post: 
>>List-Help: 
>>List-Subscribe: ,
>>	
>>Sender: deck3-bounces at baruch.letnet.net
>>Errors-To: deck3-bounces at baruch.letnet.net
>>Return-Path: deck3-bounces at baruch.letnet.net
>>    
>>
>
>Any way (using the SMTPDirect handler, in case that matters) to ensure
>that all headers that refer to the list address use the correct
>hostname?  Reply-To is the most visible problem for list subscribers,
>and although I can of course override that by providing an explicit
>reply-to address, it seems like it'd also be to our benefit to have
>Sender/Errors-To/Return-Path contain reachable addresses as well...
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
>  
>



From karl at sfdata.net  Wed Apr 28 23:01:44 2004
From: karl at sfdata.net (Karl R. Balsmeier)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:01:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM Not Talking To Imap Sessions: Pop3d OK
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040428140010.023d3f10@mail.sfdata.net>

Hi there,

I noticed that users utilizing squirrelmail and some other Imap based 
programs were not able to submit posts to the list.

Is there an Exim3 transport or Director or trasport that handles this?

-krb




From lists at lastonepicked.com  Wed Apr 28 23:01:15 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:01:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reset All Users Disabled By Bouncing?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

This works like a charm... Question now is if there is something I can feed
this list into to re-enable them...

Does anyone know?

Thanks,
Hunter

> From: "Roedel, Mark" 
> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:34:32 -0500
> To: 
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Reset All Users Disabled By Bouncing?
> 
> 
> Even better:
> 
> $prefix/list_members --nomail=B
> 
> would give a list of only those list members with the criteria requested
> by the original poster.  (Exists in 2.1.5rc2...not sure if it was around
> prior to that or not.)
> 
> --
> Mark Roedel
> Web Programmer / Analyst
> LeTourneau University
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of David Relson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:30 PM
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Reset All Users Disabled By Bouncing?
> 
>> Is there a way to reset all users that are set to nomail[B] to
>> re-enable delivery?
> 
> Perhaps the following idea will be helpful:
> 
> $prefix/list_members can give a list of members
> grep can select the aol subscribers
> ??? can use _that_ list to re-enable the users
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From webolutionary at webolutionary.com  Wed Apr 28 23:08:01 2004
From: webolutionary at webolutionary.com (Sean Robertson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:08:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Access subscription list via PHP?
Message-ID: <01de01c42d64$e5add210$4001010a@cnfei.com>

Looks like the host is keeping mailman on a seperate server.  Is there
any way to still do it, or am I stuck?

What I'm doing right now is generating an email in PHP using the
subscribers address for the from line, so that the confirmation goes to
them.  Is there any way I can do this using some kind of admin command
via email instead, so they don't get the confirmation or anything saying
they're already subscribed if that happens to be the case?



> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Justin Alcorn" 
> To: "Sean Robertson" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Access subscription list via PHP?
>
>
>
> Sean Robertson said:
> > I have a PHP form set up that I'd like to be able to use to
subscribe
> > people
> > to the mailing list.  The problem is tha they might already be
signed
> up
> > to
> > the list, so just sending an email to the listserve is not a very
> clean
> > solution.  Is there any way to access the memberlist via PHP and
find
> out
> > if
> > someone has already signed up or not so it doesn't try to do it
again
> if
> > they already have?
> >
> >
>
> call list_members and capture the output.
>
>
> $members = `/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members mylist`;
> // find the member...
>
>
>
> -- 
> The universe is ruled by letting things take their course. It cannot
be
> ruled by interfering. -- Chinese proverb
> JaBbA's hut: http://jalcorn.net
>
>
>




From lists at lastonepicked.com  Wed Apr 28 23:08:43 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:08:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reset All Users Disabled By Bouncing?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Replying to my own post...

Seems easiest thing to do was remove/re-add the users.

Cheers,
Hunter

> From: Hunter Hillegas 
> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:01:15 -0700
> To: "Roedel, Mark" , Mailman 
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Reset All Users Disabled By Bouncing?
> 
> This works like a charm... Question now is if there is something I can feed
> this list into to re-enable them...
> 
> Does anyone know?
> 
> Thanks,
> Hunter
> 
>> From: "Roedel, Mark" 
>> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:34:32 -0500
>> To: 
>> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Reset All Users Disabled By Bouncing?
>> 
>> 
>> Even better:
>> 
>> $prefix/list_members --nomail=B
>> 
>> would give a list of only those list members with the criteria requested
>> by the original poster.  (Exists in 2.1.5rc2...not sure if it was around
>> prior to that or not.)
>> 
>> --
>> Mark Roedel
>> Web Programmer / Analyst
>> LeTourneau University
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
>> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of David Relson
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:30 PM
>> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Reset All Users Disabled By Bouncing?
>> 
>>> Is there a way to reset all users that are set to nomail[B] to
>>> re-enable delivery?
>> 
>> Perhaps the following idea will be helpful:
>> 
>> $prefix/list_members can give a list of members
>> grep can select the aol subscribers
>> ??? can use _that_ list to re-enable the users
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From lists at lastonepicked.com  Wed Apr 28 23:14:20 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:14:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
Message-ID: 

We're seeing the footer coming along as an attachment on some end-users
systems.

I saw a FAQ entry for this behavior with 2.0.x. We're running 2.1.4 and the
FAQ article specifies that it is fixed in 2.1.x.

Anyone know what is going on?

Thanks,
Hunter




From prodos at prodos.com  Thu Apr 29 01:30:01 2004
From: prodos at prodos.com (prodos at prodos.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:30:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: How does Mailman compare with YahooGroups?
Message-ID: <20040428233001.9280.qmail@webmail02.mesa1.secureserver.net>

From: Prodos (Melbourne, Australia)
To: Glenn Sieb

Dear Glenn,

Good morning!

> If you look at what people _use_ Yahoogroups for, it's not just for a
> mailing list in general--it's being used to schedule get togethers,
> keep track of members' birthdays, et cetera. Mailman doesn't do all
> that (at least, not efficiently, unless you count some poor schmuck
> being stuck with the duties of emailing the whole list every
> week/month/etc to keep everyone up to date ;) ).

Okay.
I've never used those other functions (maybe I should!)
But I understand what you're saying.


> And, from the past comments I've seen on the
> subject, it's not something that interests the dev team (and that's
> fine.. no one said they had to find it interesting .. I'm just
> mentioning it as this subject has been brought up in the past...
>

Okay.

Actually, I'm new to all this "open source" stuff. I was introduced
to it by an American friend, Phil Oliver of Oliver Computing, who
helped me set up my new server.

I'm truly staggered, amazed, and astounded at how much
incredible FREE software has been and is being currently
developed around the world.

I'd be surprised if some of the functions that exist in YahooGroups
but don't exist in Mailman don't eventually get developed and
be made available by somebody at some time.

Anyway, your notes have certainly helped me in comparing
Mailman and YahooGroups. So thanks for that!  :-)

Best Wishes,

PRODOS

http://prodos.com - Internet Radio

"Discover the power. Of ideas!"













From jwt at OnJapan.net  Thu Apr 29 04:08:35 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:08:35 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reset All Users Disabled By Bouncing?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20040429020835.GA30482@server.onjapan.net>

On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 09:14:38AM -0700, Hunter Hillegas wrote:
> Is there a way to reset all users that are set to nomail[B] to re-enable
> delivery?

This is the sort of thing that 'withlist' is good for.

> We have 20,000 members on our list on AOL, so doing it by hand sounds about
> as great as having my hand chopped off.

$ bin/withlist -l -i mylist
for member in m.getDeliveryStatusMembers((MailList.MemberAdaptor.BYBOUNCE,)):
    m.setDeliveryStatus(member, MailList.MemberAdaptor.ENABLED)
m.Save()
{ctrl-d}

You could even get a little more fancy and only reenable the
user if the m.getDeliveryStatusChangeTime(member) value is
"recent" enough.

Jim

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html





From prodos at prodos.com  Thu Apr 29 07:31:55 2004
From: prodos at prodos.com (prodos at prodos.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 22:31:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What about this patch: "Edit held message
	header/body"?
Message-ID: <20040429053155.5703.qmail@webmail03.mesa1.secureserver.net>

From: Prodos (Melbourne, Australia)

Good afternoon!

I'd like to ask whether anyone is using or is familar with
the following patch and if you have any feedback about it:

"[ 644129 ] Edit held message header/body" available @
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=644129&group_id=103&atid=300103

This patch allows "full editing of headers and bodies of messages being
held for approval in Mailman 2.1"

Thanks for any help or advice!

=]:-)

Best Wishes,

PRODOS

http://CelebrateCapitalism.ORG

"The rich get richer. The poor get richer. Imagine ... Capitalism!"





-



From maillists at conactive.com  Thu Apr 29 10:32:43 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:32:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

Hunter Hillegas wrote on Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:14:20 -0700:

> We're seeing the footer coming along as an attachment on some end-users
> systems.
>

Something similar has been mentioned here some days ago. I think this can 
happen if the mail sent to the list is HTML.


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From maillists at conactive.com  Thu Apr 29 10:32:43 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:32:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to list all members of a list/search broken
In-Reply-To: <20040428173304.GT17824@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
References: 
	<20040428173304.GT17824@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: 

Todd wrote on Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:33:04 -0400:

> There is, but it's not in the obvious place that list admins would
> look for it.  Check the bottom of the listinfo page for your list and
> you can get the subscriber list from there.

Thanks! Yes, I surely didn't look there, particularly because all lists 
are private and not advertised. It's easier to just use the list_members 
than going this way ;-)

> 
> IMHO, this link ought to be in the admin section someplace too.  A
> trivial patch to add this to the "Other Administrative Activities"
>

I don't think it belongs to that category, there should simply be a link 
on the member list page, "Show all" or so, and maybe a small box, where I 
can choose how many rows per page. Maybe in the same line where we have 
the search, just a bit to the left of the search field.

Should I add this as a wish to the bugtracker?


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From maillists at conactive.com  Thu Apr 29 10:32:44 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:32:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a hostname other than the server's
	primaryname... (additional information)
In-Reply-To: <409018BF.7030208@celineandsteve.com>
References: 
	<409018BF.7030208@celineandsteve.com>
Message-ID: 

Steve Williams wrote on Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:49:03 -0600:

> then make, make install, and it resolved the problem!
>

I'm not sure if that solves all three of the mentioned problem areas, but 
if you say so, I won't argue. It doesn't solve, though, what I think is 
the main problem and which wasn't even mentioned in the question: that the 
system identifies itself with a hostname which is not resolvable. F.i. 
this could lead to your mail getting caught as spam. So, the best solution 
really is to tell the mail system what hostname it should use.


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From prodos at prodos.com  Thu Apr 29 11:19:38 2004
From: prodos at prodos.com (prodos at prodos.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 02:19:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 1. Adding archive search, 2. html
Message-ID: <20040429091938.10471.qmail@webmail01.mesa1.secureserver.net>

From: Prodos
To: Brad Knowles

Good evening!

[Prodos:]
> >  Do you (or other mailman-users members) know where I can
> >  find the "patch" for that please?



[Brad:]
> 	See
> 
>
> and
> .
>


Thanks for that!



> 	I wouldn't say that "HTML is not well supported".  The built-in
> pipermail archiver isn't so great with HTML, but this can be
> remedied.  Mailman itself does a pretty reasonable job with regards
> to the messages as they are actually sent out, considering just how
> difficult various programs make this process.
>
> 	I would encourage you to search the archives for more details on
> this subject.


Okay, thanks.


>
>
> 	Out of curiosity, do you remember the original ProDOS?  Apple ]I[?
>

Nope.
But because my actual name is "Prodos" (Full name: "Prodos Stefanos Nicholaou Marinakis")
it is not an uncommon question.   ;-)


Thanks for the leads, above.

Best Wishes,

PRODOS

http://prodos.com - Internet Radio

"More news, views, and adventures!"








From maillists at conactive.com  Thu Apr 29 10:32:44 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:32:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Access subscription list via PHP?
In-Reply-To: <01de01c42d64$e5add210$4001010a@cnfei.com>
References: <01de01c42d64$e5add210$4001010a@cnfei.com>
Message-ID: 

Sean Robertson wrote on Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:08:01 -0400:

> Looks like the host is keeping mailman on a seperate server.  Is there
> any way to still do it, or am I stuck?
>

you could hold a copy of the members list on your server and grep that 
each time.


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From lists at lastonepicked.com  Thu Apr 29 17:08:13 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:08:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

That sounds like our situation.

Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?

> From: "Kai Schaetzl" 
> Reply-To: mailman-users at python.org
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:32:43 +0200
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
> 
> Hunter Hillegas wrote on Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:14:20 -0700:
> 
>> We're seeing the footer coming along as an attachment on some end-users
>> systems.
>> 
> 
> Something similar has been mentioned here some days ago. I think this can
> happen if the mail sent to the list is HTML.
> 
> 
> Kai
> 
> -- 
> 
> Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
> Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
> IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From ptomblin at xcski.com  Thu Apr 29 17:07:50 2004
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:07:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
Message-ID: <20040429150750.GA27295@allhats.xcski.com>

Quoting Hunter Hillegas (lists at lastonepicked.com):
> That sounds like our situation.
> 
> Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?

Not unless you can figure out how to append arbitrary text to an HTML
document without parsing the HTML document tree and figuring out how and
where to stick it and how to make it visible.

-- 
Paul Tomblin  http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
I forsee one of those "open your wallet and repeat after me,
_help yourself_" moments in your local friendly workshop.
              -- Tanuki



From lists at lastonepicked.com  Thu Apr 29 17:19:44 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:19:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
In-Reply-To: <20040429150750.GA27295@allhats.xcski.com>
Message-ID: 

Come on, you don't want to do that for me? :-)

I figured that was the reason.

Ok. Thanks.

Perhaps this caveat should be noted in the FAQ or doco. It seems like a
pretty common scenario, no?

> From: Paul Tomblin 
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:07:50 -0400
> To: Mailman 
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
> 
> Quoting Hunter Hillegas (lists at lastonepicked.com):
>> That sounds like our situation.
>> 
>> Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?
> 
> Not unless you can figure out how to append arbitrary text to an HTML
> document without parsing the HTML document tree and figuring out how and
> where to stick it and how to make it visible.
> 
> -- 
> Paul Tomblin  http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
> I forsee one of those "open your wallet and repeat after me,
> _help yourself_" moments in your local friendly workshop.
>             -- Tanuki
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk  Thu Apr 29 17:11:52 2004
From: Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk (Rob Hackney)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:11:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is Mailman suitable?
Message-ID: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC8E9@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk>

I've been asked to look into mass emailing software for my company.
At present, we use a 3rd party to send html formatted emails to
subscribed users and also offer an unsub link.
I did look at Lyris Listmanager which was good but far too expensive.
I need the program to do the following:
send out html formatted emails to a list of subscribed users
disallow replies to the from email address.
create an auto unsub
manage bounces/ non-deliverables
 
I'd like to be able to track the messages tho this isn't strictly
necessary.
 
I have told my boss that I think postfix + mailman can do this 
(oh yeah did I say I have to do this at 0 cost ;-)
Am I right?  I've just installed mailman and am currently configuring
and testing it but don't want to waste my time if it is not suitable.
My main concern is sending out the emails and making sure that this
isn't a group to reply to.
One other thing:  this will need to work on a network which currently
has an ms exch server handling out two domains;
dom1.co.uk
dom2.co.uk
It is vital that the email comes from newsletters at dom2.co.uk
This is currently an exch mailbox.
thanks
 
 
 
IT Manager
TKC Group
Unit 3 Ashmead Ind Est
Keynsham
Bristol
BS31 1TU
UK
Tel: 0870 870 0480
 
 


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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Apr 29 19:26:58 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:26:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
In-Reply-To: <20040429150750.GA27295@allhats.xcski.com>
References: 
	
	<20040429150750.GA27295@allhats.xcski.com>
Message-ID: 

At 11:07 AM -0400 2004/04/29, Paul Tomblin wrote:

>>  Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?
>
>  Not unless you can figure out how to append arbitrary text to an HTML
>  document without parsing the HTML document tree and figuring out how and
>  where to stick it and how to make it visible.

	Moreover, since so many MUAs implement such different standards 
in displaying HTML, you have to decide which HTML engine you're going 
to support, and implement a complete version of that system in your 
mailing list management software so that you can be sure how the 
proposed changes will actually be displayed, and then kiss off all 
the rest.

	Do you really want to try to implement all versions of all HTML 
engines throughout the entire world, just to make this work?

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See  for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Apr 29 19:28:02 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:28:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

At 8:19 AM -0700 2004/04/29, Hunter Hillegas wrote:

>  Perhaps this caveat should be noted in the FAQ or doco. It seems like a
>  pretty common scenario, no?

	I believe that it already is, but I'd have to check.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See  for more info.



From maillists at conactive.com  Thu Apr 29 19:32:29 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:32:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

Hunter Hillegas wrote on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:08:13 -0700:

> Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?
>

Add the footer in HTML and integrate it in the existing message ;-) Better 
solution: keep HTML off the list, it annoys many people and spoils 
archiving.


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From ptomblin at xcski.com  Thu Apr 29 19:39:03 2004
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:39:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
Message-ID: <20040429173903.GA31455@allhats.xcski.com>

Quoting Kai Schaetzl (maillists at conactive.com):
> Hunter Hillegas wrote on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:08:13 -0700:
> > Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?
> 
> Add the footer in HTML and integrate it in the existing message ;-) Better 

Where?  Before the  tag (if there is one)?  Before the  tag
(if there is one)?  Find the last paragraph tag and put it after the end
of the text that follows it?  What if there are divs and other CSS markup?
And what about the principle that you shouldn't mess with the body of a
message except for putting clearly marked headers and footers that are
obviously not part of the sender's text?  Once you start trying to parse
the html and put something in it, you're modifying the sender's text,
which is evil.

-- 
Paul Tomblin  http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
I got accused of being humorless last night.  I'm considering quoting
Lieutenant Commander Data: "Perhaps the joke was not funny."
              -- Alan Rosenthal



From lists at lastonepicked.com  Thu Apr 29 19:44:36 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:44:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

If this was my call, I would never allow HTML in any email ever.

> From: "Kai Schaetzl" 
> Reply-To: mailman-users at python.org
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:32:29 +0200
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
> 
> Hunter Hillegas wrote on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:08:13 -0700:
> 
>> Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?
>> 
> 
> Add the footer in HTML and integrate it in the existing message ;-) Better
> solution: keep HTML off the list, it annoys many people and spoils
> archiving.
> 
> 
> Kai
> 
> -- 
> 
> Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
> Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
> IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Apr 29 19:45:46 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:45:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

At 8:19 AM -0700 2004/04/29, Hunter Hillegas wrote:

>  Perhaps this caveat should be noted in the FAQ or doco. It seems like a
>  pretty common scenario, no?

	Okay, this is now in the FAQ.  See 
.

	Let me know if you think there should be any changes made.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See  for more info.



From chrisw at drizzle.com  Thu Apr 29 20:42:51 2004
From: chrisw at drizzle.com (Chris Whip)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:42:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrators being unsubscribed by bounce
	processing
Message-ID: <20040429184251.GB30332@cascadia.drizzle.com>

Hi, folks.

One of our customers runs an announcement list with 10,000 subscribers.
He requires approval for subscription and gets notices of subscribes
and unsubscribes. This all adds up to a bundle of administrator mail.
(No, I don't know why he wants it all, but that's his concern.)

His mail servers are fairly reliable, but occasionally throw a "Service
unavailable". On average, this happens about once a day, which is not a 
big deal percentage-wise.

Recently we moved from 2.0.13 to 2.1.4, and the admin mail addresses began
getting routinely unsubscribed due to bounces after a few days.

I suspect the problem is that admin mail bounces appear to go through bounce
processing, and bounce processing does not take into account the number of
successful mails to an address when deciding to cut someone off. This means
that bounce processing does not scale with mail volume to an address.

We have had to deactivate bounce processing for this list pending 2.1.5.
The proposed probe behavior should help, but if the mechanism for invoking
it is as broken as it seems, probes will be sent far too often - often
enough for the probe failure risk to be a problem.

Cheers,
-- Chris Whip

-- 
--
Chris Whip - Systems administrator, Drizzle Internet NW - chrisw at drizzle.com



From maillists at conactive.com  Thu Apr 29 22:31:46 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:31:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
In-Reply-To: <20040429173903.GA31455@allhats.xcski.com>
References: 
	
	<20040429173903.GA31455@allhats.xcski.com>
Message-ID: 

Paul Tomblin wrote on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:39:03 -0400:

> And what about the principle that you shouldn't mess with the body of a
> message except for putting clearly marked headers and footers that are
> obviously not part of the sender's text?  Once you start trying to parse
> the html and put something in it, you're modifying the sender's text,
> which is evil.
>

I only suggested a possible solution, whether you or I like it wasn't the 
topic ;-) As for modifying the sender's text: I disagree. If you do modify 
it by adding a footer to the HTML message then you modify it by adding a 
footer to the plain text message as well. There's really no problem to add 
a ruler and make clear it's a footer. No difference to a text/plain 
message.

Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Apr 30 00:35:07 2004
From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:35:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
	<20040429173903.GA31455@allhats.xcski.com>
	
Message-ID: <77595E97-9A2D-11D8-92AB-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk>


On 29 Apr 2004, at 21:31, Kai Schaetzl wrote:

> Paul Tomblin wrote on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:39:03 -0400:
>
>> And what about the principle that you shouldn't mess with the body of 
>> a
>> message except for putting clearly marked headers and footers that are
>> obviously not part of the sender's text?  Once you start trying to 
>> parse
>> the html and put something in it, you're modifying the sender's text,
>> which is evil.
>>
>
> I only suggested a possible solution, whether you or I like it wasn't 
> the
> topic ;-) As for modifying the sender's text: I disagree. If you do 
> modify
> it by adding a footer to the HTML message then you modify it by adding 
> a
> footer to the plain text message as well. There's really no problem to 
> add
> a ruler and make clear it's a footer. No difference to a text/plain
> message.
>

Do I hear a volunteer. Sounds like someone about to break out the text 
editor and demonstrate what open software is all about.

> Kai
>
> -- 
>
> Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
> Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
> IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org




From alancamuto at finnfactory.com  Fri Apr 30 04:58:47 2004
From: alancamuto at finnfactory.com (Alan Camuto)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:58:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keeping the Publich_HTML subscription page from
	popping up.
Message-ID: 

Hi, I'm new to the list and have a question... I created a mailing list on
my server, and added a subscription form to my web site so visitors can
automatically subscribe to the mailing list by entering their e-mail address
and clicking on the submit button. The input form works perfectly, however,
every time they click on submit, they are redirect to the "Subscription
Results" Public HTML page.

I'd like for the "subscription results" page not to pop up every time an
e-mail address is submitted, or for them to be directed to one of the other
pages on my server. How do I go about turning off the "subscription results"
Public Html page?	Is there a tag I can add to keep it from happening?

Any suggestions are appreciated,
Alan




From craig.elkins at verizon.net  Fri Apr 30 15:22:45 2004
From: craig.elkins at verizon.net (Craig Elkins)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:22:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: frequent bounces from member email addresses -
	not spam and no attachments
Message-ID: <004901c42eb6$3a2d7640$91bcc597@computer>

Hi,

I'm getting inundated with bounces resulting from list member email that has no attachments. the mail seems to get through anyway but how can i stop these emails from bouncing?

Thanks,
Craig


From Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk  Fri Apr 30 16:15:24 2004
From: Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk (Rob Hackney)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:15:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Advice pls?
Message-ID: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD9A6434F@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk>

Does the silence on the query below mean 
A) you don't approve of the question
B) it's a dumb question and I need to read a bit more?
C) no-one can help

I have read quite a bit about mailman and thought it was the solution
however I'm pretty new to linux and am having troubles with getting it
working/understanding the configuration.  As I'm under time pressure to
get a solution, I was hoping a simple yes/ no answer would help me on my
way. thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hackney 
Sent: 29 April 2004 16:12
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is Mailman suitable?


I've been asked to look into mass emailing software for my company. At
present, we use a 3rd party to send html formatted emails to subscribed
users and also offer an unsub link. I did look at Lyris Listmanager
which was good but far too expensive. I need the program to do the
following: send out html formatted emails to a list of subscribed users 
disallow replies to the from email address. 
create an auto unsub manage bounces/ non-deliverables
 
I'd like to be able to track the messages tho this isn't strictly
necessary.
 
I have told my boss that I think postfix + mailman can do this (or at
least the main parts)

Am I right?  I've just installed mailman and am currently configuring
and testing it but don't want to waste my time if it is not suitable. My
main concern is sending out the emails and making sure that this isn't
an address to reply to. 
One other thing:  this will need to work on a network which currently
has an ms exch server handling out two domains; dom1.co.uk dom2.co.uk It
is vital that the email comes from newsletters at dom2.co.uk This is
currently an exch mailbox. thanks
 
 

This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed.  It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted.  Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd.  If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: postmaster at tkcsales.co.uk then delete the email.

intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com)




From Lesley.Jones at linnbenton.edu  Fri Apr 30 01:23:40 2004
From: Lesley.Jones at linnbenton.edu (Lesley Jones)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:23:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can not reply to Mailman List
Message-ID: 

Hello,
I am trying to implement a list serve for the college I work for to
replace our old, out-of-date list serve.

I have set up Mailman on Redhat 9 with Postfix.  I can create lists and
add members to the list just fine.  I have used many different email
addresses for the list members.  I have used addresses from a different
college, hotmail, and 3 of our internal addresses here at this college. 


The problem is, all but one of these addresses can REPLY back to the
list.  They all receive the mail, but one of my internal addresses of
xx.mydomain.edu can not reply, yet mydomain.edu can.

Does anyone have a suggestion of what might be going on? A setting I
have overlooked in the postfix config file?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Lesley Jones



From Lesley.Jones at linnbenton.edu  Fri Apr 30 01:38:17 2004
From: Lesley.Jones at linnbenton.edu (Lesley Jones)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:38:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can not reply to mailman list (More Info)
Message-ID: 

The mail sent is bounced back to the sender with 

Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0

Does this help? I have looked for an answer to this but can not find
one.

Thank you again for help.

Lesley Jones



From schimmer at europa.cg.cs.tu-bs.de  Fri Apr 30 15:39:35 2004
From: schimmer at europa.cg.cs.tu-bs.de (Lars Schimmer)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:39:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Probs with mailman 1.21.x and exim4 under Debian,
	wont send
Message-ID: <40925717.8000208@europa.cg.cs.tu-bs.de>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi!

I just installed exim4 and mailman under Debian sarge.
The system gets its email and the email send to a mailinglist is listet
in the mailinglist-archive.
But Mailman doesn't send ANY mail out to the subscribers.
The mailman log prints out:
Apr 30 15:23:42 2004 (5305) post to blurp from
blurp-owner at XXX.cs.tu-bs.de, size=6154,
message-id=, 1 failures
Apr 30 15:23:42 2004 (5305) post to blurp from
blurp-request at XXX.cs.tu-bs.de, size=1782,
message-id=, 1 failures
Apr 30 15:23:42 2004 (5305) post to blurp from schimmer at XXX.cs.tu-bs.de,
size=2002, message-id=<4090E4CB.2060407 at XXX.cs.tu-bs.de>,
1 failures

And the exim4 logs doesn't have any entrance about this mail.
How can i increase the mailman loglevel or has somebody a hint for me
where to search for the problem?

Cya
Lars
- --
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Technische Universit?t Braunschweig, Institut f?r Computergraphik
Tel.: +49 531 391-2109            E-Mail: schimmer at cg.cs.tu-bs.de
PGP-Key-ID: 0xB87A0E03


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From Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk  Fri Apr 30 14:32:27 2004
From: Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk (Rob Hackney)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:32:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Advice pls?
Message-ID: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC8ED@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk>

Does the silence on this mean 
A) you don't approve of the question
B) it's a dumb question and I need to read a bit more?
C) no-one can help

I have read quite a bit about mailman and thought it was the solution
however I'm pretty new to linux and am having troubles with getting it
working/understanding the configuration.  As I'm under time pressure to
get a solution, I was hoping a simple yes/ no answer would help me on my
way.
thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hackney 
Sent: 29 April 2004 16:12
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is Mailman suitable?


I've been asked to look into mass emailing software for my company. At
present, we use a 3rd party to send html formatted emails to subscribed
users and also offer an unsub link. I did look at Lyris Listmanager
which was good but far too expensive. I need the program to do the
following: send out html formatted emails to a list of subscribed users 
disallow replies to the from email address. 
create an auto unsub manage bounces/ non-deliverables
 
I'd like to be able to track the messages tho this isn't strictly
necessary.
 
I have told my boss that I think postfix + mailman can do this (or at
least the main parts)

Am I right?  I've just installed mailman and am currently configuring
and testing it but don't want to waste my time if it is not suitable. My
main concern is sending out the emails and making sure that this isn't
an address to reply to. 
One other thing:  this will need to work on a network which currently
has an ms exch server handling out two domains; dom1.co.uk dom2.co.uk It
is vital that the email comes from newsletters at dom2.co.uk This is
currently an exch mailbox. thanks
 
 

This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed.  It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted.  Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd.  If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: postmaster at tkcsales.co.uk then delete the email.

intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com)




From maillists at conactive.com  Fri Apr 30 16:31:31 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:31:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] frequent bounces from member email addresses -
	not spam and no attachments
In-Reply-To: <004901c42eb6$3a2d7640$91bcc597@computer>
References: <004901c42eb6$3a2d7640$91bcc597@computer>
Message-ID: 

Craig Elkins wrote on Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:22:45 -0400:

> I'm getting inundated with bounces resulting from list member email
> that has no attachments.
>

I don't see how a mail with no attachments should trigger a bounce. I 
suggest telling more about what's going on.


Kai

-- 

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Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
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From synthpunk at synthetek.net  Thu Apr 29 20:21:08 2004
From: synthpunk at synthetek.net (Synthpunk)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:21:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question			
Message-ID: <01b401c42e16$c01cfd20$6501a8c0@SEAN>

How would I go about creating my own mailing list?


From ptomblin at xcski.com  Fri Apr 30 16:29:50 2004
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:29:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can not reply to mailman list (More Info)
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20040430142950.GA1647@allhats.xcski.com>

Quoting Lesley Jones (Lesley.Jones at linnbenton.edu):
> The mail sent is bounced back to the sender with 
> 
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> 
> Does this help? I have looked for an answer to this but can not find
> one.

Sounds like an MTA problem, not a mailman problem.  Can you just send
normal mail to/from that machine?

-- 
Paul Tomblin  http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"Look!  This trout makes a better hammer than that blob of marmalade!"
   - Adam J. Thornton



From mmuserslist at nwcweb.com  Fri Apr 30 16:40:48 2004
From: mmuserslist at nwcweb.com (David J. Duffner - NWCWEB.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:40:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Advice pls?
In-Reply-To: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD9A6434F@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk>
Message-ID: 

Rob,

	I sent you a solution offlist and your ISP
seems to have a hard time picking it up!  Since it's
a non-Mailman related solution, I didn't think it 
best to post it up here.  There is a solution you
can install FREE on your server with a short learning
curve and minimal requirements that fits your needs
to a 'T'.  Hopefully that e-mail will reach you shortly,
if not I'll send another copy today as a backup!

    David J. Duffner
    VP Operations
    NWC Corporation

============================================
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NWC X-press TCS (Total Convergence Solution)
POSA Prepaid Product & Service terminals,
Gift Cards, ID Verification and much more!
For more details: http://www.nwcxpress.com
============================================ 



>-----Original Message-----
>From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org 
>[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Rob Hackney
>Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 10:15 AM
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Advice pls?
>
>
>Does the silence on the query below mean 
>A) you don't approve of the question
>B) it's a dumb question and I need to read a bit more?
>C) no-one can help
>
>I have read quite a bit about mailman and thought it was the solution
>however I'm pretty new to linux and am having troubles with getting it
>working/understanding the configuration.  As I'm under time pressure to
>get a solution, I was hoping a simple yes/ no answer would 
>help me on my
>way. thanks
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rob Hackney 
>Sent: 29 April 2004 16:12
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is Mailman suitable?
>
>
>I've been asked to look into mass emailing software for my company. At
>present, we use a 3rd party to send html formatted emails to subscribed
>users and also offer an unsub link. I did look at Lyris Listmanager
>which was good but far too expensive. I need the program to do the
>following: send out html formatted emails to a list of 
>subscribed users 
>disallow replies to the from email address. 
>create an auto unsub manage bounces/ non-deliverables
> 
>I'd like to be able to track the messages tho this isn't strictly
>necessary.
> 
>I have told my boss that I think postfix + mailman can do this (or at
>least the main parts)
>
>Am I right?  I've just installed mailman and am currently configuring
>and testing it but don't want to waste my time if it is not 
>suitable. My
>main concern is sending out the emails and making sure that this isn't
>an address to reply to. 
>One other thing:  this will need to work on a network which currently
>has an ms exch server handling out two domains; dom1.co.uk 
>dom2.co.uk It
>is vital that the email comes from newsletters at dom2.co.uk This is
>currently an exch mailbox. thanks
> 
> 
>
>This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of 
>the individual(s) to whom it is addressed.  It should not be 
>deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and 
>the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted.  
>Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author 
>and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd.  If 
>you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or 
>disclose its contents. Please return it to: 
>postmaster at tkcsales.co.uk then delete the email.
>
>intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com)
>
>
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>http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
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>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This transmission intended for the
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>


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From bvo at atz.nl  Fri Apr 30 16:43:45 2004
From: bvo at atz.nl (B. van Ouwerkerk)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:43:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Advice pls?
In-Reply-To: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD9A6434F@ernie.tkcsales.co.u
 k>
References: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD9A6434F@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040430162656.04c071c0@pop.atz.nl>

At 15:15 30-04-2004 +0100, Rob Hackney wrote:
>Does the silence on the query below mean

You will probably find an answer if you search this lists archive or google.
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

>I have read quite a bit about mailman and thought it was the solution
>however I'm pretty new to linux and am having troubles with getting it
>working/understanding the configuration.  As I'm under time pressure to
>get a solution, I was hoping a simple yes/ no answer would help me on my
>way. thanks

Some time ago I mentioned on the SBSLIST that I didn't see mailman and 
exchange play nicely together but it seems to be possible.
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-March/004001.html

>I'd like to be able to track the messages tho this isn't strictly
>necessary.

Not sure. Not even sure what you want. Add an ID to each message send out 
so that any customer reading your mail is recognized?

FWIW, sending the same question twice within a short time doesn't help in 
getting an answer quickly.



B. 




From craig.elkins at verizon.net  Fri Apr 30 16:50:08 2004
From: craig.elkins at verizon.net (Craig Elkins)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:50:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] frequent bounces from member email addresses -not
	spam and no attachments
References: <004901c42eb6$3a2d7640$91bcc597@computer>
	
Message-ID: <008701c42ec2$7ee0a080$91bcc597@computer>

Kari,

part of what the email says:

This is a warning message only.
  Your message remains in the server queue,
  the server will try to send it again.
  You should not try to resend your message now.

Thanks,
Craig

Message delivery to 'marty at greitzerlocks.com' delayed
SMTP module(domain [192.168.1.1]) reports:
 no route to host

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kai Schaetzl" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] frequent bounces from member email
addresses -not spam and no attachments


> Craig Elkins wrote on Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:22:45 -0400:
>
> > I'm getting inundated with bounces resulting from list member email
> > that has no attachments.
> >
>
> I don't see how a mail with no attachments should trigger a bounce. I
> suggest telling more about what's going on.
>
>
> Kai
>
> -- 
>
> Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
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>
>
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http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From mailman-users at think.co.za  Fri Apr 30 17:04:10 2004
From: mailman-users at think.co.za (mailman-users at think.co.za)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:04:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question			
In-Reply-To: <01b401c42e16$c01cfd20$6501a8c0@SEAN>
Message-ID: <003701c42ec4$69c7dc70$0500a8c0@hjr>

You need to at least do some prior reading, either via the
archives or via the web interface.

http://www.list.org/docs.html

Try it, break it and then ask more specific questions.

But in summary, if using Linux, you need apache, a c
compiler, python, sendmail (or some other MTA) and of course
mailman.

Hope this helps.

Cheers
Hilton

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of
Synthpunk
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:21 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question 


How would I go about creating my own mailing list?
------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From texascritter at emaillist-managers.com  Fri Apr 30 17:20:29 2004
From: texascritter at emaillist-managers.com (texas critter)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:20:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Advice pls?
References: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD9A6434F@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk>
Message-ID: <016b01c42ec6$ad7d7860$6401a8c0@houston.rr.com>

Rob Hackney wrote:

> Does the silence on the query below mean

D) You asked several very broad questions that require more than 30 seconds
to answer.

> send out html formatted emails to a list of subscribed users

Mailman can do that.

> disallow replies to the from email address.

I don't think Mailman can do that, the From address will be whatever you
set it to when sending your messages to the list.  So it depends on whether
that email address exists in your mail server.

There is no posting feature in Mailman, the way that you post messages to
the mailing list is to send an email to the list address.

> create an auto unsub

Can you be more specific?  I'm not sure what you're looking for...

If you're wanting a customized unsub link at the bottom of each email, then
you'll need to turn on VERP in Mailman and turn on personalization on that
list.  You'll also need to add the proper link code to the message footer,
I don't have that info, but searching the list's archives will most likely
turn up that info.  And you can get more info about VERP and
personalization in the Mailman FAQ.  There's links to the Mailman FAQ and
the list archives at the bottom of every list message.

> manage bounces/ non-deliverables

Mailman does this.

> I'd like to be able to track the messages tho this isn't strictly
> necessary.

Track what?  Track delivery?  Track opening the email?  Track clicking on
links?

Mailman doesn't have any specific tracking features, delivery can be logged
by your mail server, you can use html things to track whether users open
the email and/or click on links.

> My main concern is sending out the emails and making sure that
> this isn't an address to reply to.

You can configure your email program to send from whatever address you
want, it can be an invalid address on your domain.

> One other thing:  this will need to work on a network which currently
> has an ms exch server handling out two domains; dom1.co.uk dom2.co.uk It
> is vital that the email comes from newsletters at dom2.co.uk This is
> currently an exch mailbox. thanks

I can't help with that, I know nothing about exchange.  But if you set up
Mailman with that domain and set your email program to send your message
from an email address on that domain and if your exchange server will
handle outgoing mail on that domain, then it'll work.

> This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the
> individual(s) to whom it is addressed.

This kind of footer is rather silly on mailing lists. This list is archived
publicly so there's no confidentiality whatever.  :)

hth,
texas critter

--
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Apr 30 17:40:21 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:40:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Advice pls?
In-Reply-To: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC8ED@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk>
References: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC8ED@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk>
Message-ID: 

At 1:32 PM +0100 2004/04/30, Rob Hackney wrote:

>  Does the silence on this mean
>  A) you don't approve of the question
>  B) it's a dumb question and I need to read a bit more?
>  C) no-one can help

	B.  Start with .

>                                         I need the program to do the
>  following: send out html formatted emails to a list of subscribed users
>  disallow replies to the from email address.

	Mailman doesn't send out HTML-formatted e-mail.  If you send 
HTML-formatted e-mail to the list, and the list isn't configured to 
strip or convert that, then the HTML formatted e-mail will be sent on 
to the list recipients.  But in terms of the e-mail that Mailman 
itself generates (mostly announcements that they've been 
subscribed/unsubscribed, password reminders, etc...), it's not 
HTML-formatted.

>  create an auto unsub manage bounces/ non-deliverables

	No problem.

>  I'd like to be able to track the messages tho this isn't strictly
>  necessary.

	Track the messages?  In what way?  There are the logs as to which 
message-ids have come in when from what sender, and when the system 
was able to transmit the outgoing messages to the next hop for the 
given recipient(s), but I'm not sure just exactly what you're looking 
for.

>  I have told my boss that I think postfix + mailman can do this (or at
>  least the main parts)

	Could be.  Your list of requirements is not really very detailed, 
so it's hard to tell.

>  Am I right?  I've just installed mailman and am currently configuring
>  and testing it but don't want to waste my time if it is not suitable. My
>  main concern is sending out the emails and making sure that this isn't
>  an address to reply to.

	Mailman is capable of setting up announce-only lists.  See the 
FAQ (link from the page mentioned above).

>  One other thing:  this will need to work on a network which currently
>  has an ms exch server handling out two domains; dom1.co.uk dom2.co.uk It
>  is vital that the email comes from newsletters at dom2.co.uk This is
>  currently an exch mailbox. thanks

	I'm not sure how this would interact with Exchange.  Certainly, 
you can configure your mail server to generate outgoing mail and 
claim that it is any other machine on the planet that you like, but 
if the IP address for which those messages are coming from doesn't 
match the name that you claim, then a lot of mail servers will reject 
your mail as being "spoofed" -- which it is.

-- 
Brad Knowles, 

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See  for more info.



From lnp3 at columbia.edu  Fri Apr 30 17:59:45 2004
From: lnp3 at columbia.edu (Louis Proyect)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:59:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email commands
In-Reply-To: 
References: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC8ED@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk>
	<584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC8ED@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040430115608.036d2530@pop.columbia.edu>

Have recently switched from majordomo to Mailman and am frustrated by 
inability to get a complete list of subscribers through an email command 
like "who list". Supposedly a message of "who 'password'"  sent to 
list-request at mailman.server will provide such a list but it does not seem 
to recognize the command. Thanks in advance.

Louis Proyect




From maillists at conactive.com  Fri Apr 30 18:31:37 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:31:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Advice pls?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20040430162656.04c071c0@pop.atz.nl>
References: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD9A6434F@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk>
	<6.0.0.22.0.20040430162656.04c071c0@pop.atz.nl>
Message-ID: 

B. van Ouwerkerk wrote on Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:43:45 +0200:

> FWIW, sending the same question twice within a short time doesn't help in 
> getting an answer quickly.
>

It seems there were more duplicates, maybe it's the list.

Kai

-- 

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Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
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From maillists at conactive.com  Fri Apr 30 18:31:37 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:31:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] frequent bounces from member email addresses -not
	spam and no attachments
In-Reply-To: <008701c42ec2$7ee0a080$91bcc597@computer>
References: <004901c42eb6$3a2d7640$91bcc597@computer>
	
	<008701c42ec2$7ee0a080$91bcc597@computer>
Message-ID: 

Craig Elkins wrote on Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:50:08 -0400:

> Message delivery to 'marty at greitzerlocks.com' delayed
> SMTP module(domain [192.168.1.1]) reports:
>  no route to host
>

there is your answer. This is possibly not a mailman problem, but your MTA 
can't get DNS data or so, maybe the NAT-Firewall has a problem.


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org






From craig.elkins at verizon.net  Fri Apr 30 18:36:29 2004
From: craig.elkins at verizon.net (Craig Elkins)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:36:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] frequent bounces from member email addresses
	-notspam and no attachments
References: <004901c42eb6$3a2d7640$91bcc597@computer><008701c42ec2$7ee0a080$91bcc597@computer>
	
Message-ID: <000501c42ed1$4a514860$0affff0a@computer>

thanks Kai.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kai Schaetzl" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] frequent bounces from member email
addresses -notspam and no attachments


> Craig Elkins wrote on Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:50:08 -0400:
>
> > Message delivery to 'marty at greitzerlocks.com' delayed
> > SMTP module(domain [192.168.1.1]) reports:
> >  no route to host
> >
>
> there is your answer. This is possibly not a mailman problem, but your MTA
> can't get DNS data or so, maybe the NAT-Firewall has a problem.
>
>
> Kai
>
> -- 
>
> Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
> Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
> IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org
>
>
>
>
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> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From maillists at conactive.com  Fri Apr 30 19:31:36 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:31:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email commands
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040430115608.036d2530@pop.columbia.edu>
References: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC8ED@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk>
	<584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC8ED@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20040430115608.036d2530@pop.columbia.edu>
Message-ID: 

Louis Proyect wrote on Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:59:45 -0400:

> Supposedly a message of "who 'password'"  sent to 
> list-request at mailman.server will provide such a list but it does not seem 
> to recognize the command
>

So, what does it say in the reply?


Kai

-- 

Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
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From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Fri Apr 30 20:18:18 2004
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:18:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email commands
In-Reply-To: 
References: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC8ED@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk>
	<584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC8ED@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20040430115608.036d2530@pop.columbia.edu>
	
Message-ID: 

On Apr 30, 2004, at 12:31 PM, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> Louis Proyect wrote on Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:59:45 -0400:
>
>> Supposedly a message of "who 'password'"  sent to
>> list-request at mailman.server will provide such a list but it does not 
>> seem
>> to recognize the command
>>
>
> So, what does it say in the reply?
>

I wasn't the OP of this thread, but I've had the same frustration in 
the past. It prints out this message describing usage of the command:

> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
> original message.
>
> - Results:
>     Usage:
>
>     who password [address=]
>         See everyone who is on this mailing list.  The roster is 
> limited to
>         list members only, and you must supply your membership 
> password to
>         retrieve it.  If you're posting from an address other than your
>         membership address, specify your membership address with
>         `address=' (no brackets around the email address, and 
> no
>         quotes!)
>
>
> - Unprocessed:
>     who mypassword
>
> - Done.


In my case the problem was that I put the command word in the subject 
line. I don't think I've seen it spelled out clearly anywhere that the 
subject line cannot be a command word unless the password is also given 
in the subject line. Subsequent commands can be in the body of the 
message, and each command also requires the password. Perhaps this 
should be in the FAQ? I can't find it there...


Dan
================================
Dan Phillips
Professor of Horn, University of Memphis
webmaster: http://music.memphis.edu




From dddave at clara.co.uk  Fri Apr 30 21:08:59 2004
From: dddave at clara.co.uk (David Sharpington)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 20:08:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachments in archives
Message-ID: <004301c42ee6$97b258a0$d2cb9ed9@house>

Hi

I thought this might be a common beginner's question but I can't find a solution in the FAQ or the archives.

I need to allow attachments and this is working fine in posts, but in the archives the attachment is converted into characters. Can I either (a) keep attachments in the archives and/or (b) not save the attachements to the archives in the first place?

Thanks very much.

Dave S

From alblack at achilles.net  Fri Apr 30 21:25:08 2004
From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:25:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email commands
In-Reply-To: 
References: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC8ED@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk>
	
	
Message-ID: <04043015250814.00976@localhost.localdomain>

Hey,

On April 30, 2004 02:18 pm, Dan Phillips wrote:
> On Apr 30, 2004, at 12:31 PM, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> > Louis Proyect wrote on Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:59:45 -0400:
> >> Supposedly a message of "who 'password'"  sent to
> >> list-request at mailman.server will provide such a list but it does not
> >> seem
> >> to recognize the command
> >
> > So, what does it say in the reply?
>
> I wasn't the OP of this thread, but I've had the same frustration in
>
> the past. 

I remember having this problem when I was first testing out mailman a while 
ago (v 2.1 if I remember correctly), running on BSD.

I had the privacy options set so that only listmembers could see the other 
listmembers.  When I sent in a request as just a listmember with the list 
members password, then I got the error message.  When I sent in the request 
as a listmember with the list-owners password, mailman returned the desired 
results.  It also worked using the server-admin level password.  I didn't 
fool around with the various permutations, or work on debugging it.

Since getting the list of members was a regular need, I ended up solving it, 
by writing a script using 

~/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members -f listname | mail -s"listname list 
members" someaddressalias

and running it as a cron job.

Hope this helps,
al



From lnp3 at columbia.edu  Fri Apr 30 21:46:59 2004
From: lnp3 at columbia.edu (Louis Proyect)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:46:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email commands
In-Reply-To: <04043015250814.00976@localhost.localdomain>
References: 
	<584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC8ED@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk>
	
	
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040430154451.0376ae78@pop.columbia.edu>

Turns out that you need to enter a new line after the command. At least 
that's what my partner found out. In any case, here's what works for us:

send mail to list-request at list.address

in the body:

who your-password




From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Fri Apr 30 23:01:18 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:01:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keeping the Publich_HTML subscription page
	from	popping up.
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <40925C2E.5369.3E0F1AC@localhost>

Just change the page.  Goto the  Public HTML files, then subscriptions 
results.

MIne is real simple:



<MM-List-Name> Thank You!



I alos have one that runs a java script and after 15 seconds return to 
the home page of the website that spawned it.



From:           	"Alan Camuto" 
To:             	
Date sent:      	Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:58:47 -0400
Subject:        	[Mailman-Users] Keeping the Publich_HTML subscription page from
	popping up.

> Hi, I'm new to the list and have a question... I created a mailing list on
> my server, and added a subscription form to my web site so visitors can
> automatically subscribe to the mailing list by entering their e-mail address
> and clicking on the submit button. The input form works perfectly, however,
> every time they click on submit, they are redirect to the "Subscription
> Results" Public HTML page.
> 
> I'd like for the "subscription results" page not to pop up every time an
> e-mail address is submitted, or for them to be directed to one of the other
> pages on my server. How do I go about turning off the "subscription results"
> Public Html page?	Is there a tag I can add to keep it from happening?
> 
> Any suggestions are appreciated,
> Alan
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> 


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
inconvenienced.




From dmab at chez.com  Fri Apr 30 22:27:37 2004
From: dmab at chez.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?David_Bourguignon?=)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:27:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with subscription parsing?
Message-ID: 

Hi all,

I have a problem to register to mailing lists managed with gnu mailman. I think it comes from the way my free email provider writes the subject line content but I'm not sure.

I copied below the email I sent to the gnu mailman server using the first "reply" method and the answer I got back from it. I did not use the second "single line in the message body" method because my email provider automatically adds a few extra lines at the end of my emails (advertisement for its ADSL internet service).

Since this is not the first time this problem occurs to me, with different gnu mailman servers, I thought it might be of interest. If you need more information, please let me know.

Thanks in advance for your help,

David.





---------- Initial Header -----------

From      : "David Bourguignon" 
To          : "verse-dev-request" 
Cc          : 
Date      : Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:32:53 +0200
Subject : Re:Verse-dev -- confirmation of subscription -- request 953790

---------- Initial Header -----------

From      : verse-dev-admin at blender.org
To          : dmab at chez.com
Cc          : 
Date      : Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:53:23 +0200
Subject : Verse-dev -- confirmation of subscription -- request 953790

Verse-dev -- confirmation of subscription -- request 953790

We have received a request from 193.253.216.98 for subscription of
your email address, , to the verse-dev at blender.org
mailing list.  To confirm the request, please send a message to
verse-dev-request at blender.org, and either:

- maintain the subject line as is (the reply's additional "Re:" is
ok),

- or include the following line - and only the following line - in the
message body: 

confirm 953790

(Simply sending a 'reply' to this message should work from most email
interfaces, since that usually leaves the subject line in the right
form.)

If you do not wish to subscribe to this list, please simply disregard
this message.  Send questions to verse-dev-admin at blender.org.


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To          : dmab at chez.com
Cc          : 
Date      : Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:37:00 +0200
Subject : Mailman results for Verse-dev

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>>>>> 
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>  request from 193.253.216.98 for subscription of=0D=0Ayour email address,=
>  , to the verse-dev at blender.org=0D=0Amailing list.  To con=
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From Lesley.Jones at linnbenton.edu  Fri Apr 30 22:47:57 2004
From: Lesley.Jones at linnbenton.edu (Lesley Jones)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:47:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can not reply to mailman list (More Info)
Message-ID: 

I am pretty new to setting mailman and postfix up, so I appreciate the
help!

Yes, I can send from the root address and receive email to it just by
the local machine and not using mailman. Only not from that one email
address.  I can't send to the list or to the local root account from
this one email server yet it will receive from mailman, and I have tried
multiple accounts on this same email system, so it isn't just one
account being bounced.  All other email accounts I have tried work
beautifully, can send and receive from the local root account and any
mailman list I create.  

My main.cf for postfix if it is of any help....:

2bounce_notice_recipient = postmaster
access_map_reject_code = 554
alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases
alias_maps = hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases
allow_mail_to_commands = alias,forward
allow_mail_to_files = alias,forward
allow_min_user = no
allow_percent_hack = yes
allow_untrusted_routing = no
alternate_config_directories =
always_bcc =
append_at_myorigin = yes
append_dot_mydomain = yes
best_mx_transport =
biff = yes
body_checks =
bounce_notice_recipient = postmaster
bounce_size_limit = 50000
broken_sasl_auth_clients = no
canonical_maps =
command_directory = /usr/sbin
command_expansion_filter =
1234567890!@%-_=+:,./abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
command_time_limit = 1000s
config_directory = /etc/postfix
content_filter =
daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix
daemon_timeout = 18000s
debug_peer_level = 2
debug_peer_list =
default_database_type = hash
default_delivery_slot_cost = 5
default_delivery_slot_discount = 50
default_delivery_slot_loan = 3
default_destination_concurrency_limit = 10
default_destination_recipient_limit = 50
default_extra_recipient_limit = 1000
default_minimum_delivery_slots = 3
default_privs = nobody
default_process_limit = 50
default_recipient_limit = 10000
default_transport = smtp
default_verp_delimiters = +=
defer_transports =
delay_notice_recipient = postmaster
delay_warning_time = 0h
deliver_lock_attempts = 20
deliver_lock_delay = 1s
disable_dns_lookups = no
disable_verp_bounces = no
disable_vrfy_command = no
dont_remove = 0
double_bounce_sender = double-bounce
duplicate_filter_limit = 1000
empty_address_recipient = MAILER-DAEMON
error_notice_recipient = postmaster
expand_owner_alias = no
export_environment = TZ MAIL_CONFIG
extract_recipient_limit = 10240
fallback_relay =
fallback_transport =
fast_flush_domains = $relay_domains
fast_flush_purge_time = 7d
fast_flush_refresh_time = 12h
fault_injection_code = 0
fork_attempts = 5

Again, thanks for the help!!!
Lesley




>>> Paul Tomblin  4/30/2004 7:29:50 AM >>>
Quoting Lesley Jones (Lesley.Jones at linnbenton.edu): 
> The mail sent is bounced back to the sender with 
> 
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> 
> Does this help? I have looked for an answer to this but can not find
> one.

Sounds like an MTA problem, not a mailman problem.  Can you just send
normal mail to/from that machine?

-- 
Paul Tomblin  http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ 
"Look!  This trout makes a better hammer than that blob of marmalade!"
   - Adam J. Thornton

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From juan.carlos at on-net.com.ar  Fri Apr 30 20:32:51 2004
From: juan.carlos at on-net.com.ar (Juan Carlos)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:32:51 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error, how can i fix it?
Message-ID: <006901c42ee1$8cb359e0$c2293bc8@juancarlos>


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