From probsdorg at yahoo.com Sun Aug 1 08:17:17 2004 From: probsdorg at yahoo.com (probsd org) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 23:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman, postfix, amavisd-new Message-ID: <20040801061717.310.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> I realize this is somewhat off topic, but the amavisd-new and postfix-users group are giving conflicting info, and my hopes is that someone here has the same setup and a solution. I run postfix, mailman, and amavisd-new, using clamAV and spamassassin. I noticed that when emails are sent to a mailing list, content filtering from amavisd-new happends BEFORE and AFTER injection causing duplicate ( sometimes way more ) emails to the list. Thus, anyone on here using mailman, postfix, amavids-new have any ideas on what to place in main.cf, master.cf, or both to make content filtering/virtual address mapping happen only once? michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From ionum at gmx.de Sun Aug 1 16:15:29 2004 From: ionum at gmx.de (ionum) Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:15:29 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Domain Problem Message-ID: <410CFB01.50207@gmx.de> Hi, i have installed Mailman and i have a Domain Problem I have a server with some Domains. The first Domain is pxxxxxxxxx.pureserver.info The Domain a want to have as sender in the mailinglist is senddomain.de If i create a new mailinglist with the webinterface, then i can change the domain from pxxxxxxxxx.pureserver.info to senddomain.de After changing the prefered domain i send a e-mail to list-subscribe at senddomain.de That didnt work If i send a e-mail to list-subscribe at pxxxxxxxxx.pureserver.info then i recieve a mail from mailman The sender E-Mail Adress is then list-subscribe at senddomain.de I don't understand why i change the domain in the webinterface and then the old domain where used. nice sunday rolf From heiner at kflog.org Sun Aug 1 16:38:47 2004 From: heiner at kflog.org (Heiner Lamprecht) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 16:38:47 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Domain Problem In-Reply-To: <410CFB01.50207@gmx.de> References: <410CFB01.50207@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200408011638.47411.heiner@kflog.org> On Sunday 01 August 2004 16:15, ionum wrote: > > I don't understand why i change the domain in the > webinterface and then the old domain where used. The problem is more related to your mailserver (postfix?), because it is responsible for the address-aliasing. I have set up a server with multiple domains, hosted by the same hoster (probably the same system configuration), so it might be usefull, to discuss this directly. Heiner -- heiner at kflog dot org GnuPG - Key: E05AEAFC Fingerprint: 257A DFBF 4977 4585 77A0 3509 973B 92AA E05A EAFC From edukes at alltel.net Mon Aug 2 03:46:21 2004 From: edukes at alltel.net (Thomas E. Dukes) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 21:46:21 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender not receiving copy of post Message-ID: <20040802014626.YWOE2612.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@edukes1> Hello, I just setup Mailman with a test list. I have subscribed myself using several email addresses. When I post a message, I do not get a copy of the post but the other email addresses do. I checked the preferences and it is set to receive a copy of the post. Is there something in the Admin area that needs to be set as well? TIA From edukes at alltel.net Mon Aug 2 03:49:38 2004 From: edukes at alltel.net (Thomas E. Dukes) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 21:49:38 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notification to non-member Message-ID: <20040802014942.QTVV17206.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@edukes1> If a non-member posts to the list, is there a way to notify them their message has been sent to a moderator for approval? I have sent a post to mailing lists that I'm a member of but with the wrong email address (by mistake) and have received such notification. One list in particular is the list for Mondo Rescue using Mailman. TIA From nikos at qbit.gr Mon Aug 2 10:55:24 2004 From: nikos at qbit.gr (nikos) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:55:24 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] vacation Message-ID: <002501c4786e$73861800$0400a8c0@nikos> GlacierHello list This is a littlie bit of topic but I need your help. Does anybody know how to download vacation program? The last sendmail issue says that include it but in my RH-9 install I can't find it Thanx Nikos From rower at MovieEditor.com Mon Aug 2 11:37:39 2004 From: rower at MovieEditor.com (Robin Rowe) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 02:37:39 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Turning off re-subscription warning Message-ID: <08a601c47874$5bb27ce0$0200a8c0@tbird> I have a mailman 2.1.5 list that has names being added one at a time by an intern. It isn't convenient to add these addresses as a mass subscribe. They need to be handled one at a time. The problem is mailman generates an unnecessary and alarming "you are being probed" message to the subscriber if the intern enters someone already on the list. How do I turn that message off or change it's contents? Thanks! Robin ------------------------------------------------------------------- Robin.Rowe at MovieEditor.com Hollywood, California www.CinePaint.org Open source digital motion picture film software From relson at osagesoftware.com Mon Aug 2 14:31:47 2004 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 08:31:47 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Turning off re-subscription warning In-Reply-To: <08a601c47874$5bb27ce0$0200a8c0@tbird> References: <08a601c47874$5bb27ce0$0200a8c0@tbird> Message-ID: <20040802083147.3b1b2694@osage.osagesoftware.com> On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 02:37:39 -0700 Robin Rowe wrote: > I have a mailman 2.1.5 list that has names being added one at a time > by an intern. It isn't convenient to add these addresses as a mass > subscribe. They need to be handled one at a time. > > The problem is mailman generates an unnecessary and alarming "you are > being probed" message to the subscriber if the intern enters someone > already on the list. How do I turn that message off or change it's > contents? > > Thanks! > > Robin Hi Robin, add_members has a "welcome-msg" option that I think will help you. The option is described in add_members' help message. HTH, David From davidw at dedasys.com Mon Aug 2 00:01:10 2004 From: davidw at dedasys.com (David N. Welton) Date: 02 Aug 2004 00:01:10 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] creating new lists w/ virtual domains Message-ID: <87n01ett5l.fsf@dedasys.com> [ Please CC replies to me. ] Hi, I've been googling for a few hours and haven't seemed to hit on the answer. The problem (where 'example' is my domain): 1) From http://lists.example.com/cgi-bin/mailman/create how do I make it actually create a lists.example.com mailing list. The mails it send me are all along the lines of newlist at example.com. I have this in my config: MTA = 'Postfix' POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias' POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = DEFAULT_HOST_NAME DEFAULT_URL_HOST = DEFAULT_HOST_NAME DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.example.com'] add_virtualhost('lists.example.com') And yet it just uses the version sans 'list' in front of it. Any ideas on how to turn this off? Thankyou, -- David N. Welton Personal: http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Free Software: http://www.dedasys.com/freesoftware/ Apache Tcl: http://tcl.apache.org/ Photos: http://www.dedasys.com/photos/ From zzizzle at zzizzle.com Mon Aug 2 16:25:04 2004 From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com (zzizzle.com) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:25:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Love This System In-Reply-To: <20040802135918.152A51E401F@bag.python.org> References: <20040802135918.152A51E401F@bag.python.org> Message-ID: I just want to say that I love this system, and my regards and appreciation and respect go out to those who set it up. Jonathan From tbartolu at nnco.nano.gov Mon Aug 2 16:45:39 2004 From: tbartolu at nnco.nano.gov (Thomas Bartolucci) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 10:45:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in use with Exim 3.6 Message-ID: <410E5393.2050506@nnco.nano.gov> Is there anyone out there that has set mailman (any version ) up with exim 3.6. I can't seem to get it working. I can add users through the web interface and they get invite emails, but no one can post to the list, at least none of the mail is getting forwarded. And the sender isn't getting it back. So I ask what settings do you use. I have the following lines added to exim.conf: ########MAIN CONFIGURATION############ MAILMAN_HOME = /home/mailman MAILMAN_WRAP = MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper MAILMAN_UID = mailman MAILMAN_GID = mailman #######TRANSPORT######################3 list_transport: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part} current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME user = MAILMAN_UID group = MAILMAN_GID list_request_transport: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part} current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME user = MAILMAN_UID group = MAILMAN_GID list_admin_transport: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part} current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME user = MAILMAN_UID group = MAILMAN_GID ###########Director####################3 list_owner_director: driver = smartuser require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db suffix = "-owner" new_address = "${lc:local_part}-admin@${domain}" owner_list_director: driver = smartuser require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db prefix = "owner-" new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}" list_admin_director: driver = smartuser suffix = -admin require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db transport = list_admin_transport list_request_director: driver = smartuser suffix = -request require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db transport = list_request_transport list_director: driver = smartuser require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db transport = list_transport From mefistos at hotmail.com Mon Aug 2 16:47:53 2004 From: mefistos at hotmail.com (C. P.) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:47:53 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send to all lists Message-ID: Darren: ask mailman for every member of every lists and use bulkmailer or make a mailman superlist. for $list in /var/lib/mailman/lists/* do /usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_member $list >> superlist done sort < superlist | uniq > allmembers bulk_mailer options allmembers read man bulk_mailer for options Carlos Pantelides >Question - > >As the server operator of a mailman server it's necessary, from time to >time, to send a "broadcast" message to all the lists on the server. >Taking it down for maintenance, something changes, etc. Is there any way >to send a message to all the lists and have it go through regardless of >moderation settings? > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From theall at tifaware.com Mon Aug 2 17:13:18 2004 From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:13:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question In-Reply-To: <1091055419.3863.2931.camel@localhost> References: <1091055419.3863.2931.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20040802151318.GB28151@tifaware.com> On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 03:56:59PM -0700, Yves Bajard wrote: > 1. The default is to reject messages sent in bcc. on which page and how > do I change to accept messages in bcc from subscribers (implicit > destinations) On the admin page, look under Privacy Options, Recipient Filters for require_explicit_destination. > 2. Is there a way to import the majordomo archives from the previous > list, or copies of messages to that list which i kept in one mailbox of > my evolution 1.6 mailer? If so, how can I do it? Mailman uses mbox files to generate archives; if you can extract the messages from Evolution to that (sorry, I don't know Evolution), you should be fine. Place the mbox file in the correct archive directory for your list (eg, /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/$listname.mbox) and run "bin/arch $listname" to generate them. Note: if your list already has an archive, you'll need to take care to integrate your older archive with the current one and will probably want to use the "--wipe" option when calling arch. > 3. Do you have anywhere a detailed operation manual for Mailman 2.1.5? Have you seen the texts listed under the Documentation section of the Mailman website? George -- theall at tifaware.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040802/0e291ee3/attachment.pgp From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Aug 2 17:16:32 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:16:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] creating new lists w/ virtual domains In-Reply-To: <87n01ett5l.fsf@dedasys.com> References: <87n01ett5l.fsf@dedasys.com> Message-ID: On 1 Aug 2004, at 23:01, David N. Welton wrote: > > [ Please CC replies to me. ] > > Hi, > > I've been googling for a few hours and haven't seemed to hit on the > answer. > > The problem (where 'example' is my domain): > > 1) From http://lists.example.com/cgi-bin/mailman/create how do I make > it actually create a lists.example.com mailing list. The mails it > send me are all along the lines of newlist at example.com. > > I have this in my config: > > MTA = 'Postfix' > POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias' > POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap' > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = DEFAULT_HOST_NAME > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = DEFAULT_HOST_NAME > DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en' > POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.example.com'] > add_virtualhost('lists.example.com') > $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py says: # Helper function; use this in your mm_cfg.py files. If optional emailhost is # omitted it defaults to urlhost with the first name stripped off, e.g. # # add_virtualhost('www.dom.ain') # VIRTUAL_HOST['www.dom.ain'] # ==> 'dom.ain' # def add_virtualhost(urlhost, emailhost=None): DOT = '.' if emailhost is None: emailhost = DOT.join(urlhost.split(DOT)[1:]) VIRTUAL_HOSTS[urlhost.lower()] = emailhost.lower() so you may want to say: add_virtualhost('lists.example.com', 'lists.example.com') > And yet it just uses the version sans 'list' in front of it. Any > ideas on how to turn this off? > > Thankyou, > -- > David N. Welton > Personal: http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ > Free Software: http://www.dedasys.com/freesoftware/ > Apache Tcl: http://tcl.apache.org/ > Photos: http://www.dedasys.com/photos/ From a.west at acu.ac.uk Mon Aug 2 17:19:25 2004 From: a.west at acu.ac.uk (Alexandra West) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:19:25 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Love This System In-Reply-To: References: <20040802135918.152A51E401F@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <410E5B7D.9040603@acu.ac.uk> Ditto!!! On 08/02/04 15:25 zzizzle.com wrote: > I just want to say that I love this system, and my regards and > appreciation and respect go out to those who set it up. > Jonathan > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From parturi at bairesweb.com Mon Aug 2 17:19:24 2004 From: parturi at bairesweb.com (Pablo Arturi) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:19:24 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Message-ID: <0c9201c478a4$1991c610$bb65e818@diana> Hello people! I have just installed Mailman and I am getting an error everytime I send an email to the list. The error is: <"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post whb-ventas"@bw-ip-34.dnsba.com> (expanded from ): Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=bw-ip-34.dnsba.com type=A: Host not found Any suggestion will be appreciate! Thanks in advance, Pablo From a.west at acu.ac.uk Mon Aug 2 17:20:19 2004 From: a.west at acu.ac.uk (Alexandra West) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:20:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Love This System In-Reply-To: References: <20040802135918.152A51E401F@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <410E5BB3.4050209@acu.ac.uk> I meant to say, I do too:-) Alexandra On 08/02/04 15:25 zzizzle.com wrote: > I just want to say that I love this system, and my regards and > appreciation and respect go out to those who set it up. > Jonathan > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From agersonl at cgps.org Mon Aug 2 17:52:05 2004 From: agersonl at cgps.org (Adam) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:52:05 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unmoderated user generates mod to admin Message-ID: I just set up Mailman and I am having a strange problem. I have a user who is a member of a list. When the send an email to the list it posts fine. However, the list moderator gets an email saying that the message requires moderator approval to be posted to the list because the msg was sent by a non-member, even though the person is a member and their msg gets sent. Adam ------------------------------- Adam Gerson Assistant Director of Technology Columbia Grammar and Prep School phone. 212-749-6200 ex. 379 mobile. 917-679-0234 fax. 212-428-6806 agerson at cgps.org http://www.cgps.org Public key - http://keyserver.noreply.org/ From edukes at alltel.net Mon Aug 2 18:09:28 2004 From: edukes at alltel.net (Thomas E. Dukes) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:09:28 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender not receiving copy of post Message-ID: <20040802160935.KQRA2612.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@edukes1> This is a re-post from yesterday. I think it was bounced. Hello, I just setup Mailman with a test list. I have subscribed myself using several email addresses. When I post a message, I do not get a copy of the post but the other email addresses do. I checked the preferences and it is set to receive a copy of the post. Is there something in the Admin area that needs to be set as well? TIA From dave at umiacs.umd.edu Mon Aug 2 20:58:43 2004 From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] setgroups in mailmanctl Message-ID: I have two versions of mailman (2.0.13 and 2.1.5) with a technique to move and repoint some lists from the older to the newer. The newer has httpd running as user/group nobody and mm built --with-mail-gid=other. The webpage is accessible and sending mail to the lists works fine as well. check_perms checks out, partition with MM has SUID enabled. When running "$MAILMAN/bin/mailmanctl start", I see in the MM logfile Warning: unable to setgroups([14999, 14999]) (14999:14999 is user/group mailman) Can I safely ignore this message seeing how all functionality indeed works? (Is this a known bug? I see talk of the same type of prob within the archives but most appear to be where mail will not be sent out) TIA =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David Stern University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies From jeff at look.net Mon Aug 2 23:50:39 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:50:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notification to non-member In-Reply-To: <20040802014942.QTVV17206.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@edukes1> References: <20040802014942.QTVV17206.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@edukes1> Message-ID: On Aug 1, 2004, at 9:49 PM, Thomas E. Dukes wrote: > If a non-member posts to the list, is there a way to notify them their > message has been sent to a moderator for approval? It's under General Options, 'respond_to_post_requests'. -Jeff From jeff at look.net Tue Aug 3 00:00:20 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:00:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] fetchmail to mailman and pipermail In-Reply-To: <1090942315.4106756b72b37@hirni.dyn.ee> References: <1090942315.4106756b72b37@hirni.dyn.ee> Message-ID: <58BB2B38-E4CF-11D8-AD2D-000A959666F6@look.net> On Jul 27, 2004, at 11:31 AM, Tilo Jandt wrote: > Hi, > > is it possible to get mail with fetchmail and send it to a local > mailman > mailinglist instead of deliver it to a local user? Should be. > and another question: > > How could i change the design of the pipermail output? Where could i > insert my > css file that every page generated with pipermail will use this css > file? There is no css file that I know of. If you want to change the archive design you'll have to change the templates. -Jeff From jeff at look.net Tue Aug 3 00:06:56 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:06:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question...... In-Reply-To: <00cb01c47585$5a9ee740$6501a8c0@HOME> References: <00cb01c47585$5a9ee740$6501a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <44A7ADB9-E4D0-11D8-AD2D-000A959666F6@look.net> On Jul 29, 2004, at 11:59 AM, Eric McGrath wrote: > I use Mailman for three mailing lists - one of which is posting only > by moderator and the other is posting only by members. > > However, I am being asked to approve all mail on all three lists. > > How can I make the two so that members can post without my approval? Turn the subscriber's MOD flag off and change 'default_member_moderation' under Sender Filters. -Jeff From jeff at look.net Tue Aug 3 00:10:12 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:10:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Farmed addresses from text archive? In-Reply-To: <20040730145244.GA14699@xmission.com> References: <20040730145244.GA14699@xmission.com> Message-ID: On Jul 30, 2004, at 10:52 AM, Warren Woodward wrote: > A subscriber of one of our client's lists today noted that his email > address had been farmed by spammers from the list archives. While the > archives are indeed public, they had relied on the security of > mailman's > paranthetical email address manipulation -- which obviously works like > a > charm -- not noticing that the 'downloadable version' was a straight > text > file that contained unaltered addresses. To their credit, I had > managed > to overlook this fact for years now, myself. > > What do people do to prevent this on their servers? The list owner > would > like to keep the archives public while protecting his subscribers. > Seems > to me that we should make the "downloadable version" optional, or > perhaps > force a zip of its contents to make is less bot friendly? Have I > overlooked some options, as usual? PUBLIC_MBOX = No ? -Jeff From jeff at look.net Tue Aug 3 00:15:13 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:15:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unmoderated user generates mod to admin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6CDDBD77-E4D1-11D8-AD2D-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 2, 2004, at 11:52 AM, Adam wrote: > I just set up Mailman and I am having a strange problem. > > I have a user who is a member of a list. When the send an email to the > list it posts fine. However, the list moderator gets an email saying > that the message requires moderator approval to be posted to the list > because the msg was sent by a non-member, even though the person is a > member and their msg gets sent. Is the message still held in the moderation queue? -Jeff From jeff at look.net Tue Aug 3 00:16:16 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:16:16 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender not receiving copy of post In-Reply-To: <20040802160935.KQRA2612.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@edukes1> References: <20040802160935.KQRA2612.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@edukes1> Message-ID: <92A9C9E5-E4D1-11D8-AD2D-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 2, 2004, at 12:09 PM, Thomas E. Dukes wrote: > > This is a re-post from yesterday. I think it was bounced. > > > Hello, > > I just setup Mailman with a test list. I have subscribed myself using > several email addresses. When I post a message, I do not get a copy > of the > post but the other email addresses do. You're probably filtering them out. Can you confirm in your MTA logs? -Jeff From zzizzle at zzizzle.com Tue Aug 3 00:53:49 2004 From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com (zzizzle at zzizzle.com) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:53:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sub-Topics In-Reply-To: <20040609160205.DFCA62858A@ludo.dreamhost.com> References: <20040609160205.DFCA62858A@ludo.dreamhost.com> Message-ID: Is there a way to "divide" your email group by sub-topics? I don't quite understand the "mail-news gateway" and "content filtering" settings and wonder if I can set this up there. Some of the documentation has been helpful but it's a bit confusing because of all of the information. Thanks, Jonathan From zzizzle at zzizzle.com Tue Aug 3 00:54:26 2004 From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com (zzizzle at zzizzle.com) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:54:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Kids & Security In-Reply-To: <20040609160205.DFCA62858A@ludo.dreamhost.com> References: <20040609160205.DFCA62858A@ludo.dreamhost.com> Message-ID: I would like to set up some email groups for kids. I was wondering if anyone could give me any feedback on that, the security of the lists, etc - any advice / experience / feedback. Thanks! Jonathan From zzizzle at zzizzle.com Tue Aug 3 00:57:07 2004 From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com (zzizzle at zzizzle.com) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:57:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Topics Message-ID: <473E9998-E4D7-11D8-9AB6-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> I also don't understand how the "topics" works. If anyone has any discussion groups that have cleverly used these settings and maxed out their capabilities, I'd really appreciate being able to subscribe... to see examples of what others in this community have done. Thanks! Jonathan From msapiro at value.net Tue Aug 3 01:01:04 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:01:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Farmed addresses from text archive? Message-ID: <410EC7B0.8090001@value.net> Jeff Barger wrote: >On Jul 30, 2004, at 10:52 AM, Warren Woodward wrote: >> >> What do people do to prevent this on their servers? The list owner >> would like to keep the archives public while protecting his >> subscribers. Seems to me that we should make the "downloadable >> version" optional, or perhaps force a zip of its contents to make is >> less bot friendly? Have I overlooked some options, as usual? > >PUBLIC_MBOX = No ? I think this controls only whether the list.mbox/list.mbox file has a public link, not whether the monthly "Downloadable version" is publicly available. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Aug 3 01:11:11 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:11:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender not receiving copy of post In-Reply-To: <20040802160935.KQRA2612.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@edukes1> Message-ID: Thomas E. Dukes wrote: > >This is a re-post from yesterday. I think it was bounced. It reached the list. > >I just setup Mailman with a test list. I have subscribed myself using >several email addresses. When I post a message, I do not get a copy of the >post but the other email addresses do. > >I checked the preferences and it is set to receive a copy of the post. Is >there something in the Admin area that needs to be set as well? > Two options are involved in your receiving your own post from the list. The "Receive your own posts to the list?" option (aka not metoo on the membership list) controls whether you ever receive copies of your posts from the list. "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" (aka nodupes) controls whether you receive copies of posts to the list in which you are also and addressee. I.e. if nodupes is set and you Cc: yourself in the post, you won't receive it from the list. Could this be the reason? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Aug 3 01:15:45 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:15:45 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman option help In-Reply-To: <20040730154953.27E301E4002@bag.python.org> Message-ID: Adriaan Nel wrote: > >How do I configure the list that only the list-owner may post to the list >and no non-members or any members? > See the "How to restrict the list so only authorized persons can post:" section in http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Aug 3 01:22:03 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:22:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce options In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ----- Original Message --------------- Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce options From: "Peter Rapier" Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:22:41 -0700 To: >I have version 2.1.4 and there is no bounce option section described in the >managers docs. There is bounce processing. It appears that bounce messages >are discarded. How do I change this so I can get them? The Bounce Processing page in the web administaration interface is fairly self explanitory. Note that the individual bounce messages are not normally delivered to you unless they are "unrecognized". Only the ones that result in a disable or unsubscribe are sent, and all these are "optional". -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Aug 3 01:28:08 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:28:08 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender In-Reply-To: <0c9201c478a4$1991c610$bb65e818@diana> Message-ID: Pablo Arturi wrote: > >I have just installed Mailman and I am getting an error everytime I send an email to the list. The error is: > ><"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post whb-ventas"@bw-ip-34.dnsba.com> > (expanded from ): Host or domain name > not found. Name service error for name=bw-ip-34.dnsba.com type=A: Host not > found > It appears that your MTA does not recognize pipes in the list aliases. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Aug 3 01:37:20 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:37:20 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL mail In-Reply-To: <78.5cb6d384.2e385711@aol.com> Message-ID: Lynx7612 at aol.com wrote: >SENT E-MAIL WITH FILE ATTACHED BUT IT NEVER GOES THROUGH WHAT CAN I DO If what you are saying (and I'm really guessing here) is that you are trying to post a message with an attached file from your AOL account to a Mailman list and the attachment never comes through the list, then perhaps the list is set up with content filtering that strips the attachment and/or other parts of the message. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jfl at list.idg.dk Tue Aug 3 12:28:53 2004 From: jfl at list.idg.dk (Jacob Friis Larsen) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 12:28:53 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] -1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting Message-ID: <410F68E5.8070509@list.idg.dk> Why do I get one of these every day? "-1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting" Thanks, Jacob From sven.osterwalder at infoklick.ch Tue Aug 3 12:32:26 2004 From: sven.osterwalder at infoklick.ch (Sven Osterwalder) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:32:26 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Server doesn't gets any mails Message-ID: <00cc01c47945$2c1e15d0$1700000a@himbolaptop> Hello, I've installed and configured Mailman as written in the README. Then I configured the domain, which the mails should go to (subdomain.domain.ch). When I send a mail to testlist at subdomain.domain.ch nothing happens. I even can't see if he gets any mail. How can I fix this ? So that the server gets the mails and mailman sends the message to the list ? Thanks & Greetings Sven Osterwalder From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Aug 3 13:04:11 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:04:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] revised mailman-htdig integration patch belatedly available Message-ID: I have belatedly uploaded a MM 2.1.5 compatible version of my mailman-htdig integration patch (and its precursor indexing patch and various other of my MM patches - see list below) to sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/? func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 These patches are also available here: http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/index.html Apologies for not getting this done sooner; pressure of other work is to blame. Any problems with these then let me know. Revised patches available are: #444879 - Archive indexer control to improve index #444884 - Integration of Mailman & htdig for archive search #644797 - Revised mailer exit status #644810 - Sendmail mailer in Python #760567 - moderation request message content #820723 - Mailman/pipermail/MHonArc integration patch ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From gigiacom at unive.it Tue Aug 3 13:07:39 2004 From: gigiacom at unive.it (Giuseppe Giacomini) Date: 03 Aug 2004 13:07:39 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] invite via script Message-ID: <1091531259.15727.30.camel@tyr.cicsd.unive.it> good morning is it possible to invite people without using web interface? i want to invite peole using a script Thank you -- GIUSEPPE GIACOMINI Universita` Ca' Foscari - Venezia Centro di Telecomunicazioni di Ateneo 30123 - VENEZIA (Italy) e-mail: gigiacom at unive.it From hcp_public at prytz.net Tue Aug 3 13:54:35 2004 From: hcp_public at prytz.net (Hans-Christian Prytz) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:54:35 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix virtualdomains + maildrop + mailman? Message-ID: <200408031354.35216.hcp_public@prytz.net> Hi, I'm trying to add some mailinglists to a machine I run, but I'm having some trouble getting things to work. Not really sure if this is the right list, but I'll try anyway. The setup: One machine (machinename.dom.ain) is hosting mail fro dom.ain as a virtual domain (users etc. in a sql database), and I'm using maildrop to filter mail into the correct mailboxes (eg virtual_transport=maildrop as per one of the howtos on postfix.org). Now I would like to add lists.dom.ain to hold some mailinglists. I've tried to use the built-in virtual domain support, and this works if I use the default postfix virtual deilvery agent (but then no filtering of mail into mailboxes) but not with maildrop. /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman resolves testlist at lists.prytz.net to testlist (ie. testlist at dom.ain) which is then looked up in /usr/mailman/data/aliases which has testlist resolved to "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist" which seems normal. However what is passed to maildrop as the destination is: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist at dom.ain Any suggestions on how to implement a virtual domain containing mailman lists while still using maildrop? Thanks Hans-Christian Some configuration stuff (seems to be the relevant parts): from main.cf local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps $virtual_mailbox_maps alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-aliases.cf, hash:/etc/mail/aliases # Virtual mailbox stuff virtual_transport = maildrop maildrop_destination_recipient_limit = 1 #virtual_transport = virtual #virtual_mailbox_domains = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-domains.cf virtual_mailbox_domains = prytz.net #virtual_mailbox_domains = prytz.net lists.prytz.net virtual_minimum_uid = 1100 virtual_gid_maps = static:1101 virtual_mailbox_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-maps.cf #virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf virtual_alias_maps = hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman,mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf virtual_uid_maps = static:1101 virtual_mailbox_base = /var/mail/vmail #virtual_mailbox_base = /home/vmail #virtual_mailbox_limit = # Mailman stuff goes here owner_request_special = no transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport # For filtrering av sender ip etc smtpd_client_restrictions = hash:/etc/postfix/client_access # Filtrer paa output fra den over header_checks = pcre:/etc/postfix/header_checks_spam From msapiro at value.net Tue Aug 3 16:03:34 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 07:03:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] -1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting Message-ID: <410F9B36.8040508@value.net> Jacob Friis Larsen wrote: > Why do I get one of these every day? > "-1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting" See the FAQ at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.038.htp -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jeff at cia.net Tue Aug 3 16:57:22 2004 From: jeff at cia.net (Jeff Garvas) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:57:22 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New install issue: Line 107 / exception.OSError Message-ID: <20040803145722.GB18779@agent.cia.net> I apologize if this is already documented somewhere. While I can find lots of information about this error with other applications (and a different line number) I can't seem to find any information about this with respect to mailman. If I've missed a FAQ I'm just blind :) I have mailman+qmail setup so all inbound email is forward to the qmail helper python script via the user mailman. List specific destinations are stripped off the hypen (mailman-listname at lists.foo.com). I've done this before without problems. I'm upgrading to a new machine and now everytime I mail "into" a list I get these strange errors in the log: ../qmail-send/@40000000410f9f6a2bcf436c.s:@40000000410f9ca62b9a21dc delivery 4558: deferral: exceptions.OSError_[Errno_2]_No_such_file_or_directory/Line_107/ ../qmail-send/@40000000410f9f6a2bcf436c.s:@40000000410f9d0a26dd360c delivery 4589: deferral: exceptions.OSError_[Errno_2]_No_such_file_or_directory/Line_107/ ../qmail-send/@40000000410f9f6a2bcf436c.s:@40000000410f9e37338a4c3c delivery 4627: failure: exceptions.OSError_[Errno_2]_No_such_file_or_directory/Line_107/I'm_not_going_to_try_again;_this_message_has_been_in_the_queue_too_long./ (note my queuelifetime is very very low right now). Can someone point me in the direction of what might be causing this ? I do not see anything in mailman/logs/error or smtp so I imagine this is never getting into mailman. Any assitance would be greatly appreciated. I'm running into a brick wall trying to figure this out myself. (Inbound mail comes into qmail and gets handed off to the user mailman, which is redirecting the mail to the qmail script in the contrib directory. The values in that script at the top are defined...) -Jeff From jra at febo.com Tue Aug 3 18:47:31 2004 From: jra at febo.com (John R. Ackermann N8UR) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 12:47:31 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting Majordomo archive files to Mailman archives? Message-ID: <410FC1A3.40707@febo.com> Hi -- I just moved a small, but very long lived, mailing list system from Majordomo to Mailman. The basic conversion went just fine, thanks. I have archives of the old lists going back almost ten years, and I'd like to import those into the Mailman archiver. They're stored in what I think is standard mbox format (each message begins with a "From " line) with each month's messages stored in a single file named something like "list.0303" for the March, 2003 archives. Is there a way to bring these into the Mailman archive system? Thanks, John PS -- previously, these archives were processed by wilma/mhonarc/glimpse to make a set of full-text searchable web archives, but for the new system I'm thinking of just adding htdig or similar to the existing Mailman archives rather than trying to maintain a separate system. From jra at febo.com Tue Aug 3 19:19:41 2004 From: jra at febo.com (John R. Ackermann N8UR) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 13:19:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting Majordomo archive files to Mailman archives? In-Reply-To: <45E44F74-E56F-11D8-A1EC-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> References: <410FC1A3.40707@febo.com> <45E44F74-E56F-11D8-A1EC-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <410FC92D.1080902@febo.com> Thanks for the quick and helpful reply, Richard! I remember the htdig patch and will probably use that. Mhonarc/wilma/glimpse was nice, but having to set it up per-list was a real pain, and I found that it was very picky about file permissions and just sneezing as the wrong user would screw things up. I'm hoping with htdig to have an automatic solution. Thanks! John ---- Richard Barrett wrote: > You can use $prefix/bin/arch to add the contents of .mbox files to the > HTML archives of a Mailman mailing list. RUn it with the -h option for > more information. > > You could consider using the following patch to Mailman for integrating > htdig for archive search: > > http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/444884/index.html > > and the following patch which integrates MHonArc for HTML archive page > generation, which is compatible with the htdig integration: > > http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/mhonarc/index.html > > These patches are also available via sourceforge. > > On 3 Aug 2004, at 17:47, John R. Ackermann N8UR wrote: > >> Hi -- >> >> I just moved a small, but very long lived, mailing list system from >> Majordomo to Mailman. The basic conversion went just fine, thanks. >> >> I have archives of the old lists going back almost ten years, and I'd >> like to import those into the Mailman archiver. They're stored in >> what I think is standard mbox format (each message begins with a "From >> " line) with each month's messages stored in a single file named >> something like "list.0303" for the March, 2003 archives. >> >> Is there a way to bring these into the Mailman archive system? >> >> Thanks, >> >> John >> >> PS -- previously, these archives were processed by >> wilma/mhonarc/glimpse to make a set of full-text searchable web >> archives, but for the new system I'm thinking of just adding htdig or >> similar to the existing Mailman archives rather than trying to >> maintain a separate system. > > > > From bmail at basspond.com Tue Aug 3 21:48:11 2004 From: bmail at basspond.com (Mike Flaherty) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:48:11 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No notification of list creation References: <410FC1A3.40707@febo.com><45E44F74-E56F-11D8-A1EC-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> <410FC92D.1080902@febo.com> Message-ID: <027f01c47992$cf73dec0$8f11b09d@gdc4s.com> I have just installed Mailman and I created my first list. After doing so, I was presented with... ============================== You have successfully created the mailing list test2 and notification has been sent to the list owner bmail at basspond.com. ============================== However, I never received the notification. What am I missing? Thanks, Mike From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Aug 3 22:37:21 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 00:37:21 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman, postfix, amavisd-new In-Reply-To: <20040801061717.310.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040801061717.310.qmail@web52406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 11:17 PM -0700 2004-07-31, probsd org wrote: > I run postfix, mailman, and amavisd-new, using clamAV > and spamassassin. I noticed that when emails are sent > to a mailing list, content filtering from amavisd-new > happends BEFORE and AFTER injection causing duplicate > ( sometimes way more ) emails to the list. > > Thus, anyone on here using mailman, postfix, > amavids-new have any ideas on what to place in > main.cf, master.cf, or both to make content > filtering/virtual address mapping happen only once? The instructions at work for me. We haven't integrated the ClamAV scanning yet, but we're doing everything else. Note the differences in the before-queue and after-queue filtering methods. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Aug 3 22:37:57 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 00:37:57 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in use with Exim 3.6 In-Reply-To: <410E5393.2050506@nnco.nano.gov> References: <410E5393.2050506@nnco.nano.gov> Message-ID: At 10:45 AM -0400 2004-08-02, Thomas Bartolucci wrote: > Is there anyone out there that has set mailman (any version ) up with > exim 3.6. See . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Aug 3 22:40:07 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 00:40:07 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] -1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting In-Reply-To: <410F68E5.8070509@list.idg.dk> References: <410F68E5.8070509@list.idg.dk> Message-ID: At 12:28 PM +0200 2004-08-03, Jacob Friis Larsen wrote: > Why do I get one of these every day? > "-1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting" See . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Aug 3 22:41:19 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 00:41:19 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Server doesn't gets any mails In-Reply-To: <00cc01c47945$2c1e15d0$1700000a@himbolaptop> References: <00cc01c47945$2c1e15d0$1700000a@himbolaptop> Message-ID: At 12:32 PM +0200 2004-08-03, Sven Osterwalder wrote: > When I send a mail to testlist at subdomain.domain.ch nothing happens. I > even can't see if he gets any mail. How can I fix this ? So that the > server gets the mails and mailman sends the message to the list ? See . Pay special attention to the bits about log files, etc.... -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From chrisw at drizzle.com Tue Aug 3 23:20:43 2004 From: chrisw at drizzle.com (Chris Whip) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:20:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest log Message-ID: <20040803212043.GA31321@cascadia.drizzle.com> Hi, folks. My 2.0.14 mailman installation has a 'digest' log, but my 2.1.5 installation does not. (I believe that neither has been customized in this respect.) The information in the digest log appears not to be logged anywhere any more. This makes digest troubleshooting harder. Is there a way to reenable the digest log for 2.1.x? Cheers, -- Chris Whip From Darren.Young at ChicagoGSB.edu Wed Aug 4 01:43:24 2004 From: Darren.Young at ChicagoGSB.edu (Young, Darren) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:43:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Log location Message-ID: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B7EA5D6@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> Using Mailman 2.1.5 is there a way to change the location of the log files (bounce, error, post, etc)? I installed mailman in /home/mailman-2.1 so the logs are currently in /home/mailman-2.1/logs, I'd like them in /var/log/mailman instead. Thanks in advance, Darren Young Senior UNIX Administrator University of Chicago Graduate School of Business darren.young at gsb.uchicago.edu Voice: 773-702-0331 From theall at tifaware.com Wed Aug 4 02:19:54 2004 From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:19:54 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Log location In-Reply-To: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B7EA5D6@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B7EA5D6@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <20040804001954.GA23966@tifaware.com> On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 06:43:24PM -0500, Young, Darren wrote: > Using Mailman 2.1.5 is there a way to change the location of the log > files (bounce, error, post, etc)? Point LOG_DIR to the desired location in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and restart Mailman. George -- theall at tifaware.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040803/d62f7ed8/attachment.pgp From eschmitz at webbalah.net Wed Aug 4 02:29:58 2004 From: eschmitz at webbalah.net (Eric Schmitz) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 19:29:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just upgraded to 2.1.5, mail to list not being processed Message-ID: <41102E06.5040201@webbalah.net> Hi everyone, I've been using Mailman for a few years (since 2.0.x), but I'm newly subscribed to the list. Yeah, another guy who subbed because he needs some help! ;-) I've been using 2.1.2 since last Fall, upgraded this morning to 2.1.5. While this fixed a couple of problems I was having, it seems to have left me with a new one. Nothing posted to the list address is being processed by mailman. I have tested the aliases, and they are not the problem: ## test3 mailing list test3: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test3" test3-admin: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin test3" test3-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test3" test3-confirm: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test3" ...and so on. If I alias "test3" to another known e-mail address, it comes through with no problem. But with it set as above, it does not seem to get to mailman. I see no new heldmsg-test3-####.pck file in mailman/data Permissions on /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman are: -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 18396 Aug 3 16:03 mailman Couple more bits of information: First, when I installed it, I did that as root. I know the instructions said not to do that. I could not run 'make install' under another username. When I did run 'make install' as root, it ran through, all the way to converting the existing lists (and the web interface all works fine). But I did get an error at the end: Updating Mailman 2.1.4 pending.pck database Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 780, in ? errors = main() File "bin/update", line 704, in main update_pending() File "bin/update", line 553, in update_pending db = cPickle.load(fp) cPickle.BadPickleGet: 73 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/local/mailman-2.1.5. If this information makes sense to anyone, and you have a suggestion, I would be much obliged. Obviously I'm willing to provide any other information needed. Thanks so much! -Eric Schmitz From jp_mailman at gcfl.net Wed Aug 4 05:30:42 2004 From: jp_mailman at gcfl.net (John Price) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:30:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Soooooo sloooooow Message-ID: <20040804033042.GA8487@gcfl.net> I'm running Mailman 2.1.4 on a 1GHz machine with 1.5G RAM. I have a list that has about 60K members, and all interaction with mailman is very slow when there is no load on the machine, and SUPER slow when there is load. What's further perplexing is that even the main page for the list is slow (before you login). I can understand the interface being slow when it is looking up a user in the list, but to display the top page before it knows what user is interacting boogles my mind. Does the program read in the entire mailing list everytime it output a web page? Even with 60K users, why does it take so long? You are welcome to test it out. I would love to get this fixed or at least improved. Overall I'm pretty happy with Mailman. http://gcfl.net/mailman/listinfo/gcfl is the URL. Thanx, John -- The person who spends all of today bragging about what he is going to accomplish tomorrow probably did the very same thing yesterday. http://GCFL.net (The Good, Clean Funnies List): Good, clean funnies five times a week, no ads, for free! From jclark at cmanet.org Wed Aug 4 05:33:06 2004 From: jclark at cmanet.org (Jim Clark) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:33:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Debian Woody/Exim4/Mailman2.4.5 -- Failure to Deliver Message-ID: All of the above listed and intalled: Debian Woody - Standard (dns server, mail server - then use backports for Exim4, web server, C and C++, Python, TclTk installed (pet peeve on the last) Exim4 - all entries in Main, Router, Transport work fine. Standard mail works fine. Mailman2.4.5 - Build with mail gid = daemon (the only one that worked) Apache web service works fine. All pages shown and accept login New lists build fine. Notification send fine. Subscription notification send fine. /etc/aliases was even changed to show the aliases for list even though should not be necessary (see previous postings on that one.) /etc/hosts file is working fine and in accordance with the rules. ################################################## However: all posting are sent to the shunt. Running unshunt puts them in the "in" folder and nothing else. Exim4 error files show nothing, mainlog shows message sent appropriately. Mailman error log shows no entries. Subscribe shows results of Mass Subscription. Virgin shows up with .pck ################################################## I have been working on this for a week and my deadline is drawing near. Any help or thoughts would be appreciated. I have built and rebuilt this system so many times and I am so close but I can not get that last step. This is killing me. Thanks in advance, Jim Clark Linux User since 1996 and I still have no clue......... From eschmitz at webbalah.net Wed Aug 4 06:12:17 2004 From: eschmitz at webbalah.net (Eric Schmitz) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 23:12:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just upgraded to 2.1.5, mail to list not being processed In-Reply-To: <41102E06.5040201@webbalah.net> References: <41102E06.5040201@webbalah.net> Message-ID: <41106221.9060907@webbalah.net> I wrote: > Nothing posted to the list address is being > processed by mailman. I managed to solve my own problem. Sorry for all the red herrings. I re-ran 'configure' with the right --with-mail-gid option, and it's all good. Pays to read the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp #7 solved the problem. 'Wrong group' error was reported in maillog. -Eric From Darren.Young at chicagogsb.edu Wed Aug 4 01:13:57 2004 From: Darren.Young at chicagogsb.edu (Young, Darren) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:13:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Log location Message-ID: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B7EA5CE@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> Using Mailman 2.1.5 is there a way to change the location of the log files (bounce, error, post, etc)? I installed mailman in /home/mailman-2.1 so the logs are currently in /home/mailman-2.1/logs, I'd like them in /var/log/mailman instead. Thanks in advance, Darren Young Senior UNIX Administrator University of Chicago Graduate School of Business darren.young at gsb.uchicago.edu Voice: 773-702-0331 From davidw at dedasys.com Mon Aug 2 23:02:03 2004 From: davidw at dedasys.com (David N. Welton) Date: 02 Aug 2004 23:02:03 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] creating new lists w/ virtual domains References: <87n01ett5l.fsf@dedasys.com> Message-ID: <87brhts184.fsf@dedasys.com> Richard Barrett writes: > On 1 Aug 2004, at 23:01, David N. Welton wrote: > > POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.example.com'] > > add_virtualhost('lists.example.com') > # Helper function; use this in your mm_cfg.py files. If optional > emailhost is > # omitted it defaults to urlhost with the first name stripped off, e.g. > so you may want to say: > > add_virtualhost('lists.example.com', 'lists.example.com') Argh! That was definitely it. Guess I should have got some sleep before looking at that. I have a fair amount of these (20 or so) - is there a more convenient way of storing them, like an external file? Do I just write some python code to do the job? Thankyou! -- David N. Welton Personal: http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Free Software: http://www.dedasys.com/freesoftware/ Apache Tcl: http://tcl.apache.org/ Photos: http://www.dedasys.com/photos/ From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Aug 3 19:05:08 2004 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:05:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting Majordomo archive files to Mailman archives? In-Reply-To: <410FC1A3.40707@febo.com> References: <410FC1A3.40707@febo.com> Message-ID: <45E44F74-E56F-11D8-A1EC-000A957C9A50@ftel.co.uk> You can use $prefix/bin/arch to add the contents of .mbox files to the HTML archives of a Mailman mailing list. RUn it with the -h option for more information. You could consider using the following patch to Mailman for integrating htdig for archive search: http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/444884/index.html and the following patch which integrates MHonArc for HTML archive page generation, which is compatible with the htdig integration: http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/mhonarc/index.html These patches are also available via sourceforge. On 3 Aug 2004, at 17:47, John R. Ackermann N8UR wrote: > Hi -- > > I just moved a small, but very long lived, mailing list system from > Majordomo to Mailman. The basic conversion went just fine, thanks. > > I have archives of the old lists going back almost ten years, and I'd > like to import those into the Mailman archiver. They're stored in > what I think is standard mbox format (each message begins with a "From > " line) with each month's messages stored in a single file named > something like "list.0303" for the March, 2003 archives. > > Is there a way to bring these into the Mailman archive system? > > Thanks, > > John > > PS -- previously, these archives were processed by > wilma/mhonarc/glimpse to make a set of full-text searchable web > archives, but for the new system I'm thinking of just adding htdig or > similar to the existing Mailman archives rather than trying to > maintain a separate system. From nrcproductions at tmail.com Tue Aug 3 22:02:03 2004 From: nrcproductions at tmail.com (NRC PRODUCTIONS) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:02:03 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman help needed asap! Message-ID: <1091563327.1BCAD5D9@w37.dngr.org> How do I save my mailing list for my personal use and back up? I own the list. I can see the names listed but I can't save them to a ttext file. Please help! DJ A.P. NRC Productions / AV8 Records Tech.Nitions www.nrcproductions.com www.technitions.com From RJameson at usa.ibs.org Tue Aug 3 22:07:35 2004 From: RJameson at usa.ibs.org (Ryan Jameson (USA)) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:07:35 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simple all postings moderated list? Message-ID: <233F2AE3F76252459BBBFB315EA8C0F817421C@daniel.ibs.org> I'm going crazy trying to set up a list that is completely moderated. I get the result I want by flipping the Emergency moderation flag, and also by setting the modertation bit on all users. The problem is, when a new user signs up their mod bit is not set. :-\ Why isn't there just a checkbox that says, "All Postings Moderated" ... Or is that what the emergency flag is supposed to do? It seems a bit strange to use that. Thanks. <>< Ryan From paced at odscompanies.com Wed Aug 4 00:26:10 2004 From: paced at odscompanies.com (Dale Pace) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:26:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] dumpdb user_options Message-ID: Hello, I have a problem with version 2.1.4. I would like to use dumpdb to see the user_option flags and apparently the values have changed. I searched the archives and all I could find was a definition from Jon Carnes that only had values up to 27. I am now seeing values like 264 and 280. Could someone provide me with current documentation of the possible flag values? Thanks, Dale The ODS Companies Dale Pace UNIX Administrator 503 265-5711 503 948-5590 x1325 paced at odscompanies.com http://www.odscompanies.com This message is intended for the sole use of the individual and entity to whom it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended addressee, nor authorized to receive for the intended addressee, you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose or distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete the message. From mike at dehart.net Tue Aug 3 23:25:11 2004 From: mike at dehart.net (Mike) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:25:11 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how long before messages sent? Message-ID: <001501c479a0$5caebbe0$9801a8c0@pecva.org> One of my mailman lists is used as an announcement-only list. Each alert, or announcement goes out to a different group, which is pulled from a database query. So it would be helpful to unsubscribe everyone right after sending out the alert, while i've got the subscribe/unsubscribe list file right there in front of me. But if i immediately unsubscribe email addresses, is there a chance those folks won't get the alert? I.e. how long should i allow for Mailman (and the mail server?) to need access to the subscription list? Thanks.... m From flavour at partyvibe.com Wed Aug 4 10:57:24 2004 From: flavour at partyvibe.com (Fran Boon) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 09:57:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From address to virtual domain with Sendmail Message-ID: <4110A4F4.50102@partyvibe.com> I am using mailman-2.1.5 on RedHat Enterprise 3 (Sendmail-8.12) I wish to configure mailman to use an alias for access: lists.dom.ain (This is done so that I can move the service to another machine later, if I so wish) I have set DEFAULT_URL_HOST & DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST to lists.dom.ain & the Web interface & inbound mails all work fine. However outgoing mails from the list appear as Sent by: list-bounces at host.dom.ain Admin mails come From: list-owner at host.dom.ain My guess is that this is more of a sendmail issue than a mailman issue, but it would be nice to know whether anyone has got this working. To attempt to get Sendmail to change this I have added support for a genericstable in sendmail.mc: FEATURE(`genericstable', `hash -o /etc/mail/genericstable.db')dnl GENERICS_DOMAIN_FILE(`/etc/mail/generics-domains')dnl I have re-expanded a new sendmail.cf & this shows the FEATURE ok. I have set up entries in this file: list-owner list-owner at lists.dom.ain list-bounces list-bounces at lists.dom.ain list-owner at host.dom.ain list-owner at lists.dom.ain list-bounces at host.dom.ain list-bounces at lists.dom.ain I have used makemap to create the hashed db. Testing with sendmail -bt shows that the map is working: > /map generics list-owner at host.dom.ain map_lookup: generics (list-owner at host.dom.ain) returns list-owner at lists.dom.ain (0) > /map generics list-owner map_lookup: generics (list-owner) returns list-owner at lists.dom.ain (0) However, mailman still sends out mails From: @host.dom.ain What will mailman pass to the MTA? 'list-owner' or 'list-owner at host.dom.ain'? Any hints greatly appreciated! Thanks a lot, Fran. From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Aug 4 11:25:17 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:25:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From address to virtual domain with Sendmail In-Reply-To: <4110A4F4.50102@partyvibe.com> References: <4110A4F4.50102@partyvibe.com> Message-ID: <330BBC95-E5F8-11D8-A1EC-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Your problem is probably not a Sendmail issue. You might find reading the following FAQ entry useful, particularly under the sub-heading "Existing versus new lists": http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp On 4 Aug 2004, at 09:57, Fran Boon wrote: > I am using mailman-2.1.5 on RedHat Enterprise 3 (Sendmail-8.12) > I wish to configure mailman to use an alias for access: lists.dom.ain > (This is done so that I can move the service to another machine later, > if I so wish) > I have set DEFAULT_URL_HOST & DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST to lists.dom.ain & > the Web interface & inbound mails all work fine. > However outgoing mails from the list appear as Sent by: > list-bounces at host.dom.ain > Admin mails come From: list-owner at host.dom.ain > My guess is that this is more of a sendmail issue than a mailman > issue, but it would be nice to know whether anyone has got this > working. > > To attempt to get Sendmail to change this I have added support for a > genericstable in sendmail.mc: > FEATURE(`genericstable', `hash -o /etc/mail/genericstable.db')dnl > GENERICS_DOMAIN_FILE(`/etc/mail/generics-domains')dnl > > I have re-expanded a new sendmail.cf & this shows the FEATURE ok. > I have set up entries in this file: > list-owner list-owner at lists.dom.ain > list-bounces list-bounces at lists.dom.ain > list-owner at host.dom.ain list-owner at lists.dom.ain > list-bounces at host.dom.ain list-bounces at lists.dom.ain > > I have used makemap to create the hashed db. > > Testing with sendmail -bt shows that the map is working: > > /map generics list-owner at host.dom.ain > map_lookup: generics (list-owner at host.dom.ain) returns > list-owner at lists.dom.ain (0) > > /map generics list-owner > map_lookup: generics (list-owner) returns list-owner at lists.dom.ain (0) > > However, mailman still sends out mails From: @host.dom.ain > > What will mailman pass to the MTA? 'list-owner' or > 'list-owner at host.dom.ain'? > > Any hints greatly appreciated! > > Thanks a lot, > Fran. > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > From bmail at basspond.com Wed Aug 4 14:56:46 2004 From: bmail at basspond.com (Mike Flaherty) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:56:46 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No notification of list creation Message-ID: <02f301c47a22$812d4180$8f11b09d@gdc4s.com> Here are some more details... OS = Redhat 7.3 Python = 2.2.2 (RPM) Mailman = 2.1.5 (from souce) When I look in $prefix/logs, all I see is a file named "error" and it is empty. I'm told there should be more files there (i.e. smtp). In accordance with the README.SENDMAIL, I have added the symbolic link to the mailman wrapper in the smrsh directory and HUPed sendmail. Still no luck. I'm wondering if I have to consider looking at the "--with-mail-gid" option? Is there any sort of debug/command line mode that I can run "create" with? I am really looking forward to using Mailman so any further help would be most appreciated. Thanks, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Flaherty" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 3:48 PM Subject: No notification of list creation > I have just installed Mailman and I created my first list. After doing so, > I was presented with... > > ============================== > You have successfully created the mailing list test2 and notification has > been sent to the list owner bmail at basspond.com. > ============================== > > However, I never received the notification. What am I missing? > > Thanks, > Mike > From jeff at cia.net Wed Aug 4 15:24:47 2004 From: jeff at cia.net (Jeff Garvas) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:24:47 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] reliable python 2.3.3 or 2.3.4 backport? Message-ID: <20040804132447.GB17633@agent.cia.net> Hi folks, I've determined that the problems I'm having with Mailman now are related to the fact that I have Python 2.3.2 running in Debian (woody). Moderated messages keep erroring into logs/error about True not being defined. Does anyone here know of any reliable Python 2.3.3 or 2.3.4 backports that I can use in my debian install? I've combed the net looking for this and I have run into brick walls and discussion lists where someone said "there is one available" but never mentioned where. I found something in the wee hours and installed it only to learn that 2.3.2 is just not cutting it. Surely someone on this list has found one if it exists, right? :-) I am starting to question my decision to use stable vs. unstable since so many applications require me to "break the rules" to make recent versions of applications run. -Jeff From luis.talora at iesa.com.br Wed Aug 4 16:09:45 2004 From: luis.talora at iesa.com.br (Luis Fernando C. Talora) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:09:45 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question: where do I begin from? Message-ID: Fellows, I?m new the list and have no experience with Mailman. I?ve installed Fedora Core 2 on my server and configured Postifx, so it already send and recieves mail. Mailman is installed, though. So, what do I do now? I?ve tried to create a new list via http://myserver/mailman/admin, but it asks me about a list creator password or something like that. Where do I set it up? And where do I tell Mailman who?s allowed to create new lists on that server? Thanks for any help! Regards, Luis Fernando C. 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Thank you for your cooperation. ========================================================= From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Aug 4 16:27:28 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:27:28 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question: where do I begin from? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040804142728.GG24806@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > I?m new the list and have no experience with Mailman. I?ve installed > Fedora Core 2 on my server and configured Postifx, so it already > send and recieves mail. Mailman is installed, though. So, what do I > do now? Check out /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.5/INSTALL.REDHAT for how to finish configuring mailman on your Fedora system. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation. -- H. H. Munro (Saki) (1870-1916) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFBEPJQuv+09NZUB1oRArn2AKCDD915WuR132kVP1eeyV6zXmLmsACg1zJC aRu30nEgE5boztntiHDknq4= =Txd7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Aug 4 16:51:39 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:51:39 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman help needed asap! In-Reply-To: <1091563327.1BCAD5D9@w37.dngr.org> References: <1091563327.1BCAD5D9@w37.dngr.org> Message-ID: At 4:02 PM -0400 2004-08-03, NRC PRODUCTIONS wrote: > How do I save my mailing list for my personal use and back up? I own > the list. I can see the names listed but I can't save them to a ttext file. The command-line programs detailed in may be of interest to you. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Aug 4 16:53:48 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:53:48 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simple all postings moderated list? In-Reply-To: <233F2AE3F76252459BBBFB315EA8C0F817421C@daniel.ibs.org> References: <233F2AE3F76252459BBBFB315EA8C0F817421C@daniel.ibs.org> Message-ID: At 2:07 PM -0600 2004-08-03, Ryan Jameson (USA) wrote: > The problem is, when a > new user signs up their mod bit is not set. :-\ Why isn't there just a > checkbox that says, "All Postings Moderated" ... Or is that what the > emergency flag is supposed to do? It seems a bit strange to use that. Set the default moderation bit. When new users sign up, they will be moderated until you change the setting. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Aug 4 17:05:02 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:05:02 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Soooooo sloooooow In-Reply-To: <20040804033042.GA8487@gcfl.net> References: <20040804033042.GA8487@gcfl.net> Message-ID: At 10:30 PM -0500 2004-08-03, John Price wrote: > I'm running Mailman 2.1.4 on a 1GHz machine with 1.5G RAM. CPU speed has relatively little to do with performance issues on things related to Internet mail and mailing lists. If you're short of RAM, that can be a real problem, but 1.5GB is probably enough to avoid the worst of the sorts of problems typically caused by memory shortages. > I have a list that has about 60K members, and all > interaction with mailman is very slow when there is no > load on the machine, and SUPER slow when there is load. I recommend going to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at , search for "performance", and read the various entries which are returned. You may want to pay special attention to the entries at , and consider the performance advantages of upgrading to version 2.1.5. > Does the program read in the entire mailing list everytime > it output a web page? It loads the Python pickles, yes. > Even with 60K users, why does it take so long? It's hard to say. There's a wide variety of reasons why this could be happening, but most of the known issues are detailed in the FAQ and can be found by searching for the word "performance". -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From flavour at partyvibe.com Wed Aug 4 17:55:44 2004 From: flavour at partyvibe.com (Fran Boon) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 16:55:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From address to virtual domain with Sendmail In-Reply-To: <330BBC95-E5F8-11D8-A1EC-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> References: <4110A4F4.50102@partyvibe.com> <330BBC95-E5F8-11D8-A1EC-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <41110700.8010204@partyvibe.com> Richard Barrett wrote: > Your problem is probably not a Sendmail issue. You might find reading > the following FAQ entry useful, particularly under the sub-heading > "Existing versus new lists": > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp Thanks for the reply Richard, but unfortunately it's not that simple :/ Have tried re-running the fix_url utility, but to no avail... F From morgan at hahaha.org Wed Aug 4 17:56:18 2004 From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 08:56:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Empty Cc header Message-ID: <874qninbh9.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> I recently made the upgrade* from 2.0.8 to 2.1.5. It went well. Thank you, mailman maintainers, for a great piece of software. Mail to our mailing lists has had empty Cc headers since the upgrade. Why is that? It's causing some mail to be rejected by our subscribers' MTAs, like so: >>>> Aug 4 07:21:17 flip postfix/cleanup[8936]: C92834800B9A: reject: header Cc: [...] Message content rejected <<<< We're running postfix 2.0.18, mailman 2.1.5, netbsd. I've searched the archives, but since "cc" is ignored by the search engine I didn't find anything. Is this some optional feature in mailman? Morgan * I'd posted here previously about the trouble I had, upgrading. Adding the note about undoing the coerce-to-plaintext patch to UPGRADING in 2.1.5 got me past the problem. Thanks again. From jeff at look.net Wed Aug 4 19:26:00 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:26:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simple all postings moderated list? In-Reply-To: <233F2AE3F76252459BBBFB315EA8C0F817421C@daniel.ibs.org> References: <233F2AE3F76252459BBBFB315EA8C0F817421C@daniel.ibs.org> Message-ID: <5AE71AC4-E63B-11D8-A9FD-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 3, 2004, at 4:07 PM, Ryan Jameson (USA) wrote: > I'm going crazy trying to set up a list that is completely moderated. I > get the result I want by flipping the Emergency moderation flag, and > also by setting the modertation bit on all users. The problem is, when > a > new user signs up their mod bit is not set. :-\ Why isn't there just a > checkbox that says, "All Postings Moderated" ... Or is that what the > emergency flag is supposed to do? It seems a bit strange to use that. See default_member_moderation under Privacy Options -> Sender Filters. -Jeff From jp_mailman at gcfl.net Wed Aug 4 19:42:06 2004 From: jp_mailman at gcfl.net (John Price) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:42:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Soooooo sloooooow In-Reply-To: References: <20040804033042.GA8487@gcfl.net> Message-ID: <20040804174206.GD22405@gcfl.net> On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 07:05:02PM +0400, Brad Knowles wrote: > > I have a list that has about 60K members, and all > > interaction with mailman is very slow when there is no > > load on the machine, and SUPER slow when there is load. > > I recommend going to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at > , search for "performance", > and read the various entries which are returned. You may want to pay > special attention to the entries at > , > and consider the performance advantages of upgrading to version 2.1.5. Most of the FAQs are related to mail deliverly. This list only sends one email a day, so that's not an issue. Also, all archiving is turned off, so that's not an issue either. Spliting up the mailing list into multiple lists with an unbrella sounds like a lot of work. What happens when someone wants to suubscribe or unsubscribe? Is mailman smart enough to know what sublist they are on and handle it? When someone gets added, how does Mailman know what sublist to use, or do I have to try to re-balance the sublists every once in a while? > > Does the program read in the entire mailing list everytime > > it output a web page? > > It loads the Python pickles, yes. Ah, the pickles... I'm sure this is the problem. I'm no Python guru, but isn't there a way to keep from reading in the entire jar (of pickles) unless you actually need to? Maybe I need to ask the developers list instead of this one... -- When a man marries a woman, they become one but the trouble starts when they try to decide which one. http://GCFL.net (The Good, Clean Funnies List): Good, clean funnies five times a week, no ads, for free! From zzizzle at zzizzle.com Wed Aug 4 19:47:15 2004 From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com (zzizzle at zzizzle.com) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:47:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mod Bit In-Reply-To: <20040804174211.D0F401E400F@bag.python.org> References: <20040804174211.D0F401E400F@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <52991EE2-E63E-11D8-9B60-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> Does anyone know how to set it so all new subscribers are moderated, without affecting the current subscribers' settings? Thanks From jeff at look.net Wed Aug 4 20:11:07 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:11:07 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mod Bit In-Reply-To: <52991EE2-E63E-11D8-9B60-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> References: <20040804174211.D0F401E400F@bag.python.org> <52991EE2-E63E-11D8-9B60-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> Message-ID: On Aug 4, 2004, at 1:47 PM, zzizzle at zzizzle.com wrote: > Does anyone know how to set it so all new subscribers are moderated, > without affecting the current subscribers' settings? See default_member_moderation under Privacy Options -> Sender Filters. -Jeff From bmail at basspond.com Wed Aug 4 21:09:08 2004 From: bmail at basspond.com (Mike Flaherty) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:09:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't confirm subscriptions Message-ID: <03bf01c47a56$84eac110$8f11b09d@gdc4s.com> Hello All, OS = Redhat 7.3 Python = 2.2.2 Mailman = 2.0.13 (RPM) {note I tried from 2.1.5 source code first but didn't get even this far so I backed it off} I seem to be having very similar issues as described in... http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-March/004095.html Also, while I see a list of addresses awaiting confirmation sitting in /var/log/mailman/subscribe, I do not see them under the "members" link in the admin web page (just empty). To be clear, I am able to initiate a subscription request, however when I try to confirm it via email as instructed by the Mailman email message I recieve, I get nothing back at all. My sendmail log looks like this when I try... to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test1", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=31016, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent Thanks, Mike From tbartolu at nnco.nano.gov Wed Aug 4 21:10:26 2004 From: tbartolu at nnco.nano.gov (Thomas Bartolucci) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 15:10:26 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not forwarding mail and another odd problem Message-ID: <411134A2.9090304@nnco.nano.gov> I'm running mailman 2.1.5 with exim 3.36 on Debian 2.4.18. First off is this bad? Two problems one, the over-arching problem mail posted to the list is not being forwarded to anyone. Second, I am running two servers, my.server.com and my2.server.com. I can add users to the list via the web interface all users get the "welcome message" no matter what server they are on, except the users on: my.server.com The users on my2.server.com and external servers all get the welcome just not the ones like me at my.server.com What could be the problem here? -Tom From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Aug 4 20:30:43 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:30:43 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman archives requiring logons In-Reply-To: <4111297A.11925.8BF677@localhost> References: <4103B3DD.20716.1AC7650@localhost> <4111297A.11925.8BF677@localhost> Message-ID: At 6:22 PM +0200 2004-08-04, Wolfgang Riedmann wrote: > I have now looked at www.backports.org, and there is a newer version > available: 2.1.4. Should this cure my problems? It's hard to say. There are a lot of issues in making an upgrade of this scale, and making this big a leap may cause more problems than it solves. You should think hard about this before making your decision. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Aug 4 21:35:59 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:35:59 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Soooooo sloooooow In-Reply-To: <20040804174206.GD22405@gcfl.net> References: <20040804033042.GA8487@gcfl.net> <20040804174206.GD22405@gcfl.net> Message-ID: At 12:42 PM -0500 2004-08-04, John Price wrote: >> I recommend going to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at >> , search for "performance", >> and read the various entries which are returned. You may want to pay >> special attention to the entries at >> , >> and consider the performance advantages of upgrading to version 2.1.5. > > Most of the FAQs are related to mail deliverly. This list > only sends one email a day, so that's not an issue. Also, > all archiving is turned off, so that's not an issue either. This is why I pointed out a specific entry which had to do with other things, and mentioned the issue of considering upgrading to 2.1.5, since it is known to resolve certain specific performance problems. >> It loads the Python pickles, yes. > > Ah, the pickles... I'm sure this is the problem. > > I'm no Python guru, but isn't there a way to keep from > reading in the entire jar (of pickles) unless you actually > need to? Maybe I need to ask the developers list instead > of this one... I don't think there's any way to keep Mailman from doing this, at least not in any current version. Patches are welcome. In the meanwhile, if you're having problems of this type, you may need to resort to the command-line oriented methods which are discussed more extensively in the archives. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jclark at cmanet.org Wed Aug 4 21:51:29 2004 From: jclark at cmanet.org (Jim Clark) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:51:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Debian Woody/Exim4/Mailman2.4.5 -- Failure to Deliver Message-ID: Resolution: Seems that the Python version I upgraded to 2.3.3 had some bug in it that was braking mailman. Upgraded to Python 2.3.4 and rebooted machine. All items now working in perfect harmony. For those trying to get the same system of Debian\Exim4\Mailman 2.4.5 feel free to drop me a line if you need assistance. Best regards, Jim Clark From bmail at basspond.com Wed Aug 4 22:45:21 2004 From: bmail at basspond.com (Mike Flaherty) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:45:21 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't confirm subscriptions References: <03bf01c47a56$84eac110$8f11b09d@gdc4s.com> Message-ID: <040401c47a63$f60c2ac0$8f11b09d@gdc4s.com> Problem solved! While wating for a reply on this problem, I configured the crontabs as described in the INSTALL file. I then received my "Welcome" messages on all of the subscribed accounts shortly after. I am also able to successfully post to the list! It is also important to note that my problem also looked similar to... http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-February/009798.html ...which is the second occurance of this problem I found in the Mailman archives that went unaswered. I'm just mentioning it now so that it can be of help to folks in the future. Best, Mike Flaherty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Flaherty" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 3:09 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't confirm subscriptions > Hello All, > > OS = Redhat 7.3 > Python = 2.2.2 > Mailman = 2.0.13 (RPM) {note I tried from 2.1.5 source code first but didn't > get even this far so I backed it off} > > I seem to be having very similar issues as described in... > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-March/004095.html > > Also, while I see a list of addresses awaiting confirmation sitting in > /var/log/mailman/subscribe, I do not see them under the "members" link in > the admin web page (just empty). > > To be clear, I am able to initiate a subscription request, however when I > try to confirm it via email as instructed by the Mailman email message I > recieve, I get nothing back at all. My sendmail log looks like this when I > try... > > to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test1", > ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, > mailer=prog, pri=31016, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent > > Thanks, > Mike > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From erin at thedalzells.org Wed Aug 4 23:11:07 2004 From: erin at thedalzells.org (Erin Dalzell) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:11:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive URL is incorrect Message-ID: <411150EB.6040004@thedalzells.org> I have a mailing list set up at http://www.thedalzells.org/mailman/listinfo/canuck_hlp_pb. When you click on the archive link, it trys to take you to http://s0106000c41832a90.vc.shawcable.net/pipermail/canuck_hlp_pb/. Where is it getting that host name from? In my mm_cfg.py file I have: ################################################## # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. MTA = "Postfix" IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/' DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'thedalzells.org' DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.thedalzells.org/mailman/' I am running on Mac OS X 10.3.4, Apache 1.3.29 and Postfix (don't know what version). Thanks emd From raquel at thericehouse.net Wed Aug 4 23:41:58 2004 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:41:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] reliable python 2.3.3 or 2.3.4 backport? In-Reply-To: <20040804132447.GB17633@agent.cia.net> References: <20040804132447.GB17633@agent.cia.net> Message-ID: <20040804144158.01972eab.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:24:47 -0400 Jeff Garvas wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I've determined that the problems I'm having with Mailman now are > related to the fact that I have Python 2.3.2 running in Debian > (woody). Moderated messages keep erroring into logs/error about > True not being defined. > > Does anyone here know of any reliable Python 2.3.3 or 2.3.4 > backports that I can use in my debian install? > > I've combed the net looking for this and I have run into brick > walls and discussion lists where someone said "there is one > available" but never mentioned where. > > I found something in the wee hours and installed it only to learn > that 2.3.2 is just not cutting it. > > Surely someone on this list has found one if it exists, right? :-) > > I am starting to question my decision to use stable vs. unstable > since so many applications require me to "break the rules" to make > recent versions of applications run. > > -Jeff > Hi Jeff, I'm running Woody on the server. I've also installed Mailman 2.1.5, with Sendmail. My version of Python is 2.2.1-4.3. Because I use Sendmail rather that Exim, I couldn't get a working list server using .deb files. So, I installed Python using aptitude and then installed Mailman from source in /usr/local/mailman. It works wonderfully. No need to go to a Python backport. -- Raquel ============================================================ Believe that life is worth living and your belief will create the fact. --William James From jeff at cia.net Thu Aug 5 06:14:50 2004 From: jeff at cia.net (Jeff Garvas) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 00:14:50 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem still exists w/2.3.4 Python... In-Reply-To: <20040804144158.01972eab.raquel@thericehouse.net> References: <20040804132447.GB17633@agent.cia.net> <20040804144158.01972eab.raquel@thericehouse.net> Message-ID: <20040805041449.GA19820@agent.cia.net> Here is the latest story in my saga. I'm running Mailman 2.1.5 with Python 2.3.4 If I create a list and make a user moderated they can't post to the list. the logs/errors file fills up with a bunch of lines, but this is at the bottom: File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 113, in __nextid while True: NameError: global name 'True' is not defined This problem seems to be documented in this closed bug: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=956734&group_id=103 I just upgraded to Python 2.3.4 and this problem still exists. If the user trying to post to the list is moderated their submission is shunted. Does anyone know what this might be? Defining True = 1 at the top of ListAdmin.py didn't help. (MM 2.1.5) -Jeff From Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk Thu Aug 5 12:01:58 2004 From: Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk (Rob Hackney) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:01:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped sending mail Message-ID: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC99F@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> My Mailman 2.1.1 installation seems to have stopped delivering. I am sending from the box that mailman sits on from an address subscribed in my test list: newsletters at lists.routone.co.uk My /etc/postfix/aliases is as follows: > # Basic system aliases -- these MUST be present. > mailer-daemon: postmaster > postmaster: root > > > # Person who should get root's mail > root: robhackney > > > # mailman aliases > mailman: postmaster > mailman-owner: mailman > newsletters: robhackney I have checked the logs and found nothing in bounce/ smtp/ smtp-failure/ post/. I have checked the maillog also and can see the test mail submitted: > Aug 5 10:34:01 simba postfix/smtpd[1744]: connect from > simba.tkcsales.co.uk[192.168.16.14] > Aug 5 10:34:02 simba postfix/smtpd[1744]: 33F0C17877: > client=simba.tkcsales.co.uk[192.168.16.14] > Aug 5 10:34:02 simba postfix/cleanup[1745]: 33F0C17877: > message-id=<4111FF09.90900 at lists.routeone.co.uk> > Aug 5 10:34:02 simba postfix/nqmgr[651]: 33F0C17877: > from=, size=618, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Aug 5 10:34:02 simba postfix/smtpd[1744]: disconnect from > simba.tkcsales.co.uk[192.168.16.14] > Aug 5 10:34:04 simba postfix/local[1746]: 33F0C17877: > to=, relay=local, delay=2, status=sent > ("|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post test") I have restarted mailman and rechecked logs but again nothing. I have worked on 2 things since it stopped working: adding in the mailman aliases into the /etc/postfix aliases file as I saw they were not present. There is no mail in the user mailbox robhackney. Changing my firewall rules but I can send mail from the box to both internal and external addresses. My knowledge doesn't extend any further and I've ran out of ideas. Would someone be able to point me in the right direction? thanks This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: postmaster at tkcsales.co.uk then delete the email. Scanned for viruses by MailDefender From ernest at afrinic.org Thu Aug 5 21:16:59 2004 From: ernest at afrinic.org (Ernest Byaruhanga) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] viewing archive In-Reply-To: References: <4103B3DD.20716.1AC7650@localhost> <4111297A.11925.8BF677@localhost> Message-ID: hi mailman users, this is a newbie question, though google hasnt helped me with an answer. please help. i would like all my archives in a list to be viewed as one long page, indexed by date. my current view looks like this: Archive View by: Downloadable version July 2004: [ Thread ] [ Subject ] [ Author ] [ Date ] [ Text 2 KB ] June 2004: [ Thread ] [ Subject ] [ Author ] [ Date ] [ Gzip'd Text 8 KB ] May 2004: [ Thread ] [ Subject ] [ Author ] [ Date ] [ Gzip'd Text 17 KB ] April 2004: [ Thread ] [ Subject ] [ Author ] [ Date ] [ Gzip'd Text 1 KB ] which i do not like. please advise. cheers, ernest. From jeff at cia.net Thu Aug 5 14:00:14 2004 From: jeff at cia.net (Jeff Garvas) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:00:14 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] reliable python 2.3.3 or 2.3.4 backport? In-Reply-To: <87u0viruth.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <20040804132447.GB17633@agent.cia.net> <87u0viruth.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20040805120013.GA5686@agent.cia.net> On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 02:57:14PM +0900 or thereabouts, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > IIRC the lack of definition of Boolean constants is a problem specific > to 2.3.2, and all you have to do is define True and False to 1 and 0 > respectively somewhere in the startup. I'm not sure if the mm_cfg is > early enough. This is defined in almost every .py file, but this specific text is from Defaults.py: # Some convenient constants try: True, False except NameError: True = 1 False = 0 Yes = yes = On = on = True No = no = Off = off = False > This isn't reliable information, OTOH only requires adding two lines > and if it works, at least you can get started. I had tried adding True = 1 in the last mentioned .py (I'm not a python person at all) and it didn't seem to help one bit. > FYI, I run Debian unstable and have never had a problem. However, on > my mail host, I have gotten rid of everything I don't need and make > sure I keep copies of the most recent known working .debs. Haven't > had to use them yet in the 2.5 years since I started this policy. I can't find a 2.3.4 or a 2.3.3 .deb so I just compiled Python from scratch and sym linked /usr/bin/python to the 2.3.4 version in /usr/local/bin/python. Why would this still be an issue if I'm running 2.3.4? python -v confirms it: jeff at agent:~$ python -v # installing zipimport hook import zipimport # builtin # installed zipimport hook # /usr/local/lib/python2.3/site.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.3/site.py import site # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.3/site.pyc # /usr/local/lib/python2.3/os.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.3/os.py import os # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.3/os.pyc import posix # builtin # /usr/local/lib/python2.3/posixpath.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.3/posixpath.py import posixpath # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.3/posixpath.pyc # /usr/local/lib/python2.3/stat.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.3/stat.py import stat # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.3/stat.pyc # /usr/local/lib/python2.3/UserDict.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.3/UserDict.py import UserDict # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.3/UserDict.pyc # /usr/local/lib/python2.3/copy_reg.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.3/copy_reg.py import copy_reg # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.3/copy_reg.pyc # /usr/local/lib/python2.3/types.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.3/types.py import types # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.3/types.pyc # /usr/local/lib/python2.3/warnings.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.3/warnings.py import warnings # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.3/warnings.pyc # /usr/local/lib/python2.3/linecache.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.3/linecache.py import linecache # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.3/linecache.pyc import encodings # directory /usr/local/lib/python2.3/encodings # /usr/local/lib/python2.3/encodings/__init__.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.3/encodings/__init__.py import encodings # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.3/encodings/__init__.pyc # /usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.py import codecs # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.pyc import _codecs # builtin # /usr/local/lib/python2.3/encodings/aliases.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.3/encodings/aliases.py import encodings.aliases # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.3/encodings/aliases.pyc # /usr/local/lib/python2.3/encodings/ascii.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.3/encodings/ascii.py import encodings.ascii # precompiled from /usr/local/lib/python2.3/encodings/ascii.pyc Python 2.3.4 (#1, Aug 4 2004, 23:33:28) [GCC 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. dlopen("/usr/local/lib/python2.3/lib-dynload/readline.so", 2); import readline # dynamically loaded from /usr/local/lib/python2.3/lib-dynload/readline.so >>> Help? :-) -Jeff From Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk Thu Aug 5 14:02:04 2004 From: Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk (Rob Hackney) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:02:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped sending mail -PLEASE IGNORE Message-ID: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD9A64795@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> Please ignore this. Realised what the problem was and fixed it. thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: > mailman-users-bounces+rob.hackney=tkcsales.co.uk at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+rob.hackney=tkcsales.co.uk at pytho > n.org] On Behalf Of Rob Hackney > Sent: 05 August 2004 11:02 > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped sending mail > > > My Mailman 2.1.1 installation seems to have stopped > delivering. I am sending from the box that mailman sits on > from an address subscribed in my test list: > newsletters at lists.routone.co.uk > > My /etc/postfix/aliases is as follows: > > > # Basic system aliases -- these MUST be present. > > mailer-daemon: postmaster > > postmaster: root > > > > > > > # Person who should get root's mail > > root: robhackney > > > > > > > # mailman aliases > > mailman: postmaster > > mailman-owner: mailman > > newsletters: robhackney > > > I have checked the logs and found nothing in bounce/ smtp/ > smtp-failure/ post/. I have checked the maillog also and can > see the test mail submitted: > > > Aug 5 10:34:01 simba postfix/smtpd[1744]: connect from > > simba.tkcsales.co.uk[192.168.16.14] > > Aug 5 10:34:02 simba postfix/smtpd[1744]: 33F0C17877: > > client=simba.tkcsales.co.uk[192.168.16.14] > > Aug 5 10:34:02 simba postfix/cleanup[1745]: 33F0C17877: > > message-id=<4111FF09.90900 at lists.routeone.co.uk> > > Aug 5 10:34:02 simba postfix/nqmgr[651]: 33F0C17877: > > from=, size=618, nrcpt=1 (queue > active) > > Aug 5 10:34:02 simba postfix/smtpd[1744]: disconnect from > > simba.tkcsales.co.uk[192.168.16.14] > > Aug 5 10:34:04 simba postfix/local[1746]: 33F0C17877: > > to=, relay=local, delay=2, status=sent > > ("|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post test") > > I have restarted mailman and rechecked logs but again > nothing. I have worked on 2 things since it stopped working: > adding in the mailman aliases into the /etc/postfix aliases > file as I saw they were not present. There is no mail in the > user mailbox robhackney. Changing my firewall rules but I can > send mail from the box to both internal and external > addresses. My knowledge doesn't extend any further and I've > ran out of ideas. Would someone be able to point me in the > right direction? thanks > > > > > > This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of > the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be > deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and > the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. > Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group > Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not > copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: > postmaster at tkcsales.co.uk then delete the email. > > Scanned for viruses by MailDefender > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > Scanned for viruses by MailDefender > This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: postmaster at tkcsales.co.uk then delete the email. Scanned for viruses by MailDefender From CFrederick at afsc.org Thu Aug 5 14:55:32 2004 From: CFrederick at afsc.org (Chad Frederick) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:55:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-Name Alias Message-ID: <55F0D703F0FA4D409F341C95A11BF66D01294031@DELTA.AFSC.local> Hey all. I'm looking for a way to modify Mailman so that list mail comes from the listname-admin at list.domain.org instead of just listname at list.domain.org. If any of you guys know some clues, I'd like to hear them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Charles Frederick (215) 241 7183 Intern, Education Team, IT Department American Friends Service Committee From ysidoro at gmail.com Thu Aug 5 15:52:17 2004 From: ysidoro at gmail.com (Rodolfo Pilas) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:52:17 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I delete shunt messages? Message-ID: MM FAQ says that shunt messages must be processed with bin/unshunt http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.035.htp Ok, but I have now 18320 files (9160 messages) and I can unshunt it.... yes I have run unshund many times. Can I delete these messages with rm? I need to update any database? Thank you. -- Rodolfo Pilas (Ysidoro con 'Y') From jwblist at olympus.net Thu Aug 5 18:51:03 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 09:51:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] reliable python 2.3.3 or 2.3.4 backport? In-Reply-To: <20040805120013.GA5686@agent.cia.net> Message-ID: On 8/5/2004 5:00, "Jeff Garvas" wrote: > On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 02:57:14PM +0900 or thereabouts, Stephen J. Turnbull > wrote: > >> IIRC the lack of definition of Boolean constants is a problem specific >> to 2.3.2, and all you have to do is define True and False to 1 and 0 >> respectively somewhere in the startup. I'm not sure if the mm_cfg is >> early enough. > > This is defined in almost every .py file, but this specific text is from > Defaults.py: > > # Some convenient constants > try: > True, False > except NameError: > True = 1 > False = 0 > > Yes = yes = On = on = True > No = no = Off = off = False > > >> This isn't reliable information, OTOH only requires adding two lines >> and if it works, at least you can get started. > > I had tried adding True = 1 in the last mentioned .py (I'm not a python > person at all) and it didn't seem to help one bit. Run python from the command line. At the prompt, type print True On a machine here I tried arbitrarily, Python 2.2.2 responded with 1 and python 2.3.1 responded with True But what matters is what happens on the machine on which True is claimed by Mailman to be undefined. --John From gmills at library.berkeley.edu Thu Aug 5 19:39:46 2004 From: gmills at library.berkeley.edu (Garey Mills) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem caused by machine crash. What's corrupt? Message-ID: Hi - I've been running Mailman 2.1b2 for a year or so without a hitch; but a couple of days ago the machine was literally inadvertently unplugged from the wall (actually, they lost power to our whole data center with the UPS offline). Since, the problem below has shown up. I'm sure that there is some corrupt data, but I don't know where to start looking. Any pointers? ============================================================================ Bug in Mailman version 2.1b2 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 82, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 81, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 545, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 518, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) UnpicklingError: invalid load key, '`'. ============================================================================= Thanks in advance; Garey Mills Library Systems Office UC Berkeley The brain is not where you think From zzizzle at zzizzle.com Thu Aug 5 20:38:07 2004 From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com (zzizzle at zzizzle.com) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:38:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emails Not Getting Through? In-Reply-To: <20040804174211.D0F401E400F@bag.python.org> References: <20040804174211.D0F401E400F@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <9828BD98-E70E-11D8-9969-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> Some people are reporting to me that they're not getting the emails from our group lately. Anyone know of any pitfalls I might have set incorrectly in my settings? Does this sound familiar? The system is so complex when new, but I love it - but it is very confusing. Thanks. Jonathan From gus at clacso.edu.ar Thu Aug 5 20:52:51 2004 From: gus at clacso.edu.ar (gus) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 15:52:51 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Message-ID: <41128203.1040802@clacso.edu.ar> Hi I have a problem .. When put a click in the user the mailman said Could anyone help me.... regards gus Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main main() File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py", line 636, in main options_page(mlist, doc, user, cpuser, userlang) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py", line 713, in options_page replacements['] = ( File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py", line 179, in FormatUmbrellaNotice return _("(Note - you are subscribing to a list of mailing lists, " File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 89, in _ return tns % dict TypeError: not enough arguments for format string From eschmitz at webbalah.net Thu Aug 5 20:49:19 2004 From: eschmitz at webbalah.net (Eric Schmitz) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 13:49:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emails Not Getting Through? In-Reply-To: <9828BD98-E70E-11D8-9969-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> References: <20040804174211.D0F401E400F@bag.python.org> <9828BD98-E70E-11D8-9969-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> Message-ID: <4112812F.5000605@webbalah.net> zzizzle at zzizzle.com wrote: > Some people are reporting to me that they're not getting the emails from > our group lately. Anyone know of any pitfalls I might have set > incorrectly in my settings? Does this sound familiar? Familiar to me, but the most common cause I've found for that is my subscribers' spam filters. I believe that Mailman sends messages with bulk precedence -- at least by default. Some spam filters trigger on messages tagged as bulk. It's not always the case, but it's a good place to look. -Eric Schmitz From jeff at look.net Thu Aug 5 20:48:26 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:48:26 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emails Not Getting Through? In-Reply-To: <9828BD98-E70E-11D8-9969-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> References: <20040804174211.D0F401E400F@bag.python.org> <9828BD98-E70E-11D8-9969-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> Message-ID: <08E33A44-E710-11D8-A80C-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 5, 2004, at 2:38 PM, zzizzle at zzizzle.com wrote: > Some people are reporting to me that they're not getting the emails > from our group lately. Anyone know of any pitfalls I might have set > incorrectly in my settings? Does this sound familiar? Whenever I receive a complaint about non-receipt I immediately check my MTA logs. If you see successful delivery in your MTA log then the problem is on their end (probably a spam filter). -Jeff From jeff at look.net Thu Aug 5 21:04:34 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:04:34 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-Name Alias In-Reply-To: <55F0D703F0FA4D409F341C95A11BF66D01294031@DELTA.AFSC.local> References: <55F0D703F0FA4D409F341C95A11BF66D01294031@DELTA.AFSC.local> Message-ID: <4A312EC2-E712-11D8-A80C-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 5, 2004, at 8:55 AM, Chad Frederick wrote: > Hey all. > > I'm looking for a way to modify Mailman so that list mail comes > from the listname-admin at list.domain.org instead of just > listname at list.domain.org. > If any of you guys know some clues, I'd like to hear them. Are you referring to the envelope sender or the From: header? I believe the envelope sender should be listname-bounces at list.domain.org, not listname at list.domain.org. The From: header should be address of the sender unless you've got the anonymous option turned on. -Jeff From CFrederick at afsc.org Thu Aug 5 21:22:01 2004 From: CFrederick at afsc.org (Chad Frederick) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:22:01 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emails Not Getting Through? Message-ID: <55F0D703F0FA4D409F341C95A11BF66D012941B9@DELTA.AFSC.local> With topics, people don't get messages that they don't Specifically sign up for. Also, if you're using topics, be sure to enter in the topic keywords in (parentheses), else the whole thing doesn't work. In some strange cases, users will get duplicate copies of the same list message. "No dupes" actives a clause that will try to prevent that should it ever happen. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Charles Frederick (215) 241 7183 Intern, Education Team, IT Department American Friends Service Committee -----Original Message----- From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com [mailto:zzizzle at zzizzle.com] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 3:01 PM To: Chad Frederick Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Emails Not Getting Through? Have you used the topics? I was really interested in that - I wanted to create basically a sub-group "flow." I 'm not using it yet so I doubt that was it but thanks a lot. I just unchecked "no dupes" for people. I don't really get what that means. Do you know? The interface looks like it was programmed by aliens, not japanese haha. On Aug 5, 2004, at 11:50 AM, Chad Frederick wrote: > Use of the 'topics' system, where each list can have sub-topics, can > often cause unwanted censorship like this. I'd suggest not using > topics at all. If you realy want to use it, make sure all users have > their "receive messages not on any topic" box checked, in their > Personal Options. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > - > ------------ > Charles Frederick > (215) 241 7183 > Intern, Education Team, IT Department > American Friends Service Committee > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of > zzizzle at zzizzle.com > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 2:38 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emails Not Getting Through? > > Some people are reporting to me that they're not getting the emails > from our group lately. Anyone know of any pitfalls I might have set > incorrectly in my settings? Does this sound familiar? > > The system is so complex when new, but I love it - but it is very > confusing. > Thanks. > Jonathan > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > From jeff at cia.net Thu Aug 5 21:24:52 2004 From: jeff at cia.net (Jeff Garvas) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:24:52 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] reliable python 2.3.3 or 2.3.4 backport? In-Reply-To: References: <20040805120013.GA5686@agent.cia.net> Message-ID: <20040805192451.GB2061@agent.cia.net> On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 09:51:03AM -0700 or thereabouts, John W. Baxter wrote: > Run python from the command line. > > At the prompt, type > print True > > But what matters is what happens on the machine on which True is claimed by > Mailman to be undefined. John, Great idea. So how do I fix this? jeff at newbox:~$ python Python 2.3.4 (#1, Aug 4 2004, 23:33:28) [GCC 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> print True True -Jeff From bmail at basspond.com Thu Aug 5 22:16:14 2004 From: bmail at basspond.com (Mike Flaherty) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:16:14 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sourcing Mailman's usename/password Message-ID: <05ab01c47b29$0f20cd20$8f11b09d@gdc4s.com> Hello, I would like to create a little file upload area on my website for folks on my list to upload files to. It would be great if I could set it up to require a valid Mailman email address/password in order to authenticate them. I notice that the Mailman databases are not flat ASCII text. Is it possible, with perl, to check against the Mailman subscriber database in order to confirm the matching of a given email address/password? Thanks, Mike From jeff at look.net Thu Aug 5 22:22:30 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:22:30 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sourcing Mailman's usename/password In-Reply-To: <05ab01c47b29$0f20cd20$8f11b09d@gdc4s.com> References: <05ab01c47b29$0f20cd20$8f11b09d@gdc4s.com> Message-ID: <2D6BD493-E71D-11D8-BE33-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 5, 2004, at 4:16 PM, Mike Flaherty wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to create a little file upload area on my website for > folks on my list to upload files to. It would be great if I could set > it up to require a valid Mailman email address/password in order to > authenticate them. > > I notice that the Mailman databases are not flat ASCII text. > > Is it possible, with perl, to check against the Mailman subscriber > database in order to confirm the matching of a given email > address/password? Probably not (directly) with perl, but it's certainly doable in python. -Jeff From jwblist at olympus.net Fri Aug 6 05:14:45 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 20:14:45 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] reliable python 2.3.3 or 2.3.4 backport? In-Reply-To: <20040805192451.GB2061@agent.cia.net> Message-ID: On 8/5/2004 12:24, "Jeff Garvas" wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 09:51:03AM -0700 or thereabouts, John W. Baxter wrote: > >> Run python from the command line. >> >> At the prompt, type >> print True >> >> But what matters is what happens on the machine on which True is claimed by >> Mailman to be undefined. > > John, > > Great idea. So how do I fix this? > > jeff at newbox:~$ python > Python 2.3.4 (#1, Aug 4 2004, 23:33:28) > [GCC 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)] on linux2 > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>>> print True > True Looks right to me (True is defined) so I don't know how to go about fixing a Python program which doesn't find it to be true. Of course, what we really need may be the Python as it run in the CGI environment, which may differ (particularly if mod_python is active in Apache). --John From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Fri Aug 6 06:00:10 2004 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 00:00:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about public HTML pages... Message-ID: <4113024A.6010508@wingfoot.org> I know I can go to a list's Admin page and change the public HTML.. but I have a question. Let's say I want to put a Paypal donation link on a list's public page--whereever I put the code (and it doesn't seem to matter where), when I click on the Paypal link, it gives me a Mailman error saying I must supply a valid email address (like I'm submitting to the subscription form...). I've even tried putting the code in the List's "info" from the Admin, General Settings page. Same thing... Is there any way to put a Paypal donation link on a list's public page? If so, what am I missing? :( The code looks like this (escaped with pre-tags):
Thanks in advance! Glenn -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 From pbgfx at mac.com Fri Aug 6 10:10:10 2004 From: pbgfx at mac.com (PeteBell) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:10:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions from a new user on a personalised web interface... Message-ID: <09358B4E-E780-11D8-A026-0003933EA39A@mac.com> Hi, I am new to this - in fact, my list is no yet operative beyond mere testing with a handful of members. I am trying to create my own personalised web interface for a new mailing list and so far some things have gone successfully and some others are proving difficult to do (I am a novice in both Mailing Lists AND webpage design!) For reference: http://www.mactalk.org.uk/index.html (but it's in early construction)! I have trawled the Mailman FAQs for various solutions and some of these talk about altering Mailman config files. How on earth does one go about doing this? I am using an AppleMac, though my listhost uses Linux, I believe, so I am not really used to command line or terminal work. It's all totally greek to me and I need a step-by-step hand-holding guide to doing this, please. Can anyone help? Also, I have successfully got a "subscribe" page working in my personalised web interface, using a form and action script, basically copied and pasted from the standard Mailman subscribe page, but how do I find what other cgi action scripts are available to me, in order to add further features? (Forgive me if this is totally basic, but we all have to learn somewhere (and personal computers weren't even invented when I was at school, so it's all a steep learning curve!) Thanks in advance Pete Bell, UK From eschmitz at webbalah.net Fri Aug 6 14:30:40 2004 From: eschmitz at webbalah.net (Eric Schmitz) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 07:30:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about public HTML pages... In-Reply-To: <4113024A.6010508@wingfoot.org> References: <4113024A.6010508@wingfoot.org> Message-ID: <411379F0.9000004@webbalah.net> Glenn, It sounds like the "submit" input in your PayPal form is actually invoking the subscription form processing script. Make sure your PayPal form is not ending up _inside_ the Mailman subscription form tags when the subscription page is rendered. If it is, you may need to edit the subscription form page template to make sure those forms do not overlap. -Eric Schmitz Glenn Sieb wrote: > I know I can go to a list's Admin page and change the public HTML.. but > I have a question. > > Let's say I want to put a Paypal donation link on a list's public > page--whereever I put the code (and it doesn't seem to matter where), > when I click on the Paypal link, it gives me a Mailman error saying I > must supply a valid email address (like I'm submitting to the > subscription form...). I've even tried putting the code in the List's > "info" from the Admin, General Settings page. Same thing... > > Is there any way to put a Paypal donation link on a list's public page? > If so, what am I missing? :( > > The code looks like this (escaped with pre-tags): > > 
> 

> 
>  src="https://www.paypal.com/en_US/i/btn/x-click-but04.gif" border="0" 
> name="submit" alt="Make payments with PayPal - it's fast, free and 
> secure!">
> 
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> > Thanks in advance! > Glenn From jeff at cia.net Fri Aug 6 14:42:37 2004 From: jeff at cia.net (Jeff Garvas) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:42:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] reliable python 2.3.3 or 2.3.4 backport? In-Reply-To: References: <20040805192451.GB2061@agent.cia.net> Message-ID: <20040806124236.GC21283@agent.cia.net> This made me start thinking. This isn't an issue caused by the website or the CGI. Its a problem with the message when qmail-to-mailman hands the message off to Mailman. So I restarted qrunner. Duh. It was running in the original version of python the whole time, so everytime I replaced python it wasn't impacting the already running state of qrunner. Problem solved. :) -jeff On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 08:14:45PM -0700 or thereabouts, John W. Baxter wrote: > On 8/5/2004 12:24, "Jeff Garvas" wrote: > > Looks right to me (True is defined) so I don't know how to go about fixing a > Python program which doesn't find it to be true. > > Of course, what we really need may be the Python as it run in the CGI > environment, which may differ (particularly if mod_python is active in > Apache). > > --John > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From ral at codewan.com.ph Fri Aug 6 11:31:57 2004 From: ral at codewan.com.ph (lito lampitoc) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:31:57 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] what should be the correct path? Message-ID: <1091784717.3671.107.camel@cwadmin> Hi all, I'm entirely lost with my mailman installation. I have this setup Mailman + QMail + Apache, and run it under . I have the following problems, 1. What should be put on DocumentRoot? I tried: DocumentRoot /var/www/webpages/lists where _lists_ is a symbolic link to mailman directory /usr/local/mailman, but my browser just gives the list of files of that directory. Whereas the default url should be lists.abc.com.ph/mailman/listinfo 2. do I need to configure or change any mailman config file for the virtualhost? 3. why is it that when subscribing on the list I created, subscriber and admin does not receive confirmation e-mail Thanks for any help. From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Fri Aug 6 18:04:03 2004 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 12:04:03 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about public HTML pages... In-Reply-To: <411379F0.9000004@webbalah.net> References: <4113024A.6010508@wingfoot.org> <411379F0.9000004@webbalah.net> Message-ID: <4113ABF3.8080200@wingfoot.org> Eric Schmitz said the following on 8/6/2004 8:30 AM: > Glenn, > > It sounds like the "submit" input in your PayPal form is actually > invoking the subscription form processing script. Make sure your > PayPal form is not ending up _inside_ the Mailman subscription form > tags when the subscription page is rendered. If it is, you may need > to edit the subscription form page template to make sure those forms > do not overlap. It looks (upon examining the page source) that the form starts way early: 

              
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I was finally able to put the code in down below the "members login" area. It's not as "visible" as the list owner would like it, but it's something. Is there a reason why the subscribe form starts so early? I'm running 2.1.2--if this changes in 2.1.5, that might be worth my upgrading, otherwise so far I'm pretty happy :) (unless, of course 2.1.5 adds anything particularly new and cool?) Thanks! Glenn From gus at clacso.edu.ar Fri Aug 6 19:43:40 2004 From: gus at clacso.edu.ar (gus) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:43:40 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please I need help Message-ID: <4113C34C.8060403@clacso.edu.ar> Hi I have a problem .. Could anyone help me.... regards gus Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main main() File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py", line 636, in main options_page(mlist, doc, user, cpuser, userlang) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py", line 713, in options_page replacements['] = ( File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py", line 179, in FormatUmbrellaNotice return _("(Note - you are subscribing to a list of mailing lists, " File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 89, in _ return tns % dict TypeError: not enough arguments for format string ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From dsanchez at pucp.edu.pe Fri Aug 6 20:31:08 2004 From: dsanchez at pucp.edu.pe (David Elias Sanchez Vasquez) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:31:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] don't delivery messages In-Reply-To: <20040804174206.GD22405@gcfl.net> Message-ID: <00f601c47be3$8b229ab0$2d7330c8@c021729> Hello Folks I have a mailing list from about 2000 suscribers, I use it as a newsletter. I contracted a new host cause the one before could not send mails to many destinataries at the same time. I did send a message to the list on monday and it did delivery fine. I tried to do the same yesterday and I did not. I have 4 hotmail e-mails, one from yahoo and another one from another domaine and I did not get the message I did sent. I also did not get back the mail I did send (as is usual in any mailing list). However, 3 persons wrote me back to tell me they have got the message. These persons have not free-mail account. I don't know what's going wrong there? Is there a problem from mailman? or from my provider? Thanks David. From dsanchez at pucp.edu.pe Fri Aug 6 20:35:05 2004 From: dsanchez at pucp.edu.pe (David Elias Sanchez Vasquez) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:35:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: don't delivery messages Message-ID: <010201c47be4$18a17190$2d7330c8@c021729> I forgot to say I hav these 4 hotmail e-mails, one from yahoo and another one from another domaine, suscribed to the mailing list so that I can verify if it's delivered the messages without problems. Thanks David. -----Mensaje original----- De: David Elias Sanchez Vasquez [mailto:dsanchez at pucp.edu.pe] Enviado el: Viernes, 06 de Agosto de 2004 01:31 p.m. CC: 'mailman-users at python.org' Asunto: don't delivery messages Hello Folks I have a mailing list from about 2000 suscribers, I use it as a newsletter. I contracted a new host cause the one before could not send mails to many destinataries at the same time. I did send a message to the list on monday and it did delivery fine. I tried to do the same yesterday and I did not. I have 4 hotmail e-mails, one from yahoo and another one from another domaine and I did not get the message I did sent. I also did not get back the mail I did send (as is usual in any mailing list). However, 3 persons wrote me back to tell me they have got the message. These persons have not free-mail account. I don't know what's going wrong there? Is there a problem from mailman? or from my provider? Thanks David. From relson at osagesoftware.com Fri Aug 6 21:08:25 2004 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:08:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: don't delivery messages In-Reply-To: <010201c47be4$18a17190$2d7330c8@c021729> References: <010201c47be4$18a17190$2d7330c8@c021729> Message-ID: <20040806150825.63018f1d@osage.osagesoftware.com> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:35:05 -0500 David Elias Sanchez Vasquez wrote: > I forgot to say I hav these 4 hotmail e-mails, one from yahoo and > another one from another domaine, suscribed to the mailing list so > that I can verify if it's delivered the messages without problems. > > Thanks > > David. Hi David, 'Tis impossible to say what's gone wrong without more info. Can you check the logs? They'll tell you whether mailman received the message and whether it processed the message. Checking the MTA logs (for sendmail, postfix, ...) will provide additional info. Are other messages being processed? Is qrunner running? HTH, David From dsanchez at pucp.edu.pe Fri Aug 6 21:48:36 2004 From: dsanchez at pucp.edu.pe (David Elias Sanchez Vasquez) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:48:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: don't delivery messages In-Reply-To: <20040806150825.63018f1d@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: <011501c47bee$5dc12b30$2d7330c8@c021729> Hello David I get the confirmation of mailman "your message have been delivered sucessfully...." I also can see the messages I sent in the list archives (logs) However, I did not get the message I sent in my 5 e-mail accounts I have suscribed in the list. Why this happen? Thanks David. -----Mensaje original----- De: David Relson [mailto:relson at osagesoftware.com] Enviado el: Viernes, 06 de Agosto de 2004 02:08 p.m. Para: dsanchez at pucp.edu.pe CC: mailman-users at python.org Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] RE: don't delivery messages On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:35:05 -0500 David Elias Sanchez Vasquez wrote: > I forgot to say I hav these 4 hotmail e-mails, one from yahoo and > another one from another domaine, suscribed to the mailing list so > that I can verify if it's delivered the messages without problems. > > Thanks > > David. Hi David, 'Tis impossible to say what's gone wrong without more info. Can you check the logs? They'll tell you whether mailman received the message and whether it processed the message. Checking the MTA logs (for sendmail, postfix, ...) will provide additional info. Are other messages being processed? Is qrunner running? HTH, David From jeff at look.net Fri Aug 6 22:31:11 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:31:11 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: don't delivery messages In-Reply-To: <011501c47bee$5dc12b30$2d7330c8@c021729> References: <011501c47bee$5dc12b30$2d7330c8@c021729> Message-ID: <8E42044A-E7E7-11D8-B2F8-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 6, 2004, at 3:48 PM, David Elias Sanchez Vasquez wrote: > Hello David > > I get the confirmation of mailman > > "your message have been delivered sucessfully...." > > I also can see the messages I sent in the list archives (logs) > > However, I did not get the message I sent in my 5 e-mail accounts I > have > suscribed in the list. > > Why this happen? Check your MTA logs. -Jeff From dsanchez at pucp.edu.pe Fri Aug 6 22:45:20 2004 From: dsanchez at pucp.edu.pe (David Elias Sanchez Vasquez) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:45:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: don't delivery messages In-Reply-To: <8E42044A-E7E7-11D8-B2F8-000A959666F6@look.net> Message-ID: <011901c47bf6$4ab25930$2d7330c8@c021729> Hello fellows I did ask to my provider and they answered me this: "Try it again and let me know- there is a setting that says how many one user can send per hour that was set to low for this list but I changed it. Jeremy" So this was the reason. Is there any reliable provider where I can send mails to more than 2000 suscribers without this restrictions? Any suggestions? David. -----Mensaje original----- De: mailman-users-bounces at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org]En nombre de Jeff Barger Enviado el: Viernes, 06 de Agosto de 2004 03:31 p.m. Para: mailman-users at python.org Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] RE: don't delivery messages On Aug 6, 2004, at 3:48 PM, David Elias Sanchez Vasquez wrote: > Hello David > > I get the confirmation of mailman > > "your message have been delivered sucessfully...." > > I also can see the messages I sent in the list archives (logs) > > However, I did not get the message I sent in my 5 e-mail accounts I > have > suscribed in the list. > > Why this happen? Check your MTA logs. -Jeff ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From mailman-dev at thepeters.org Fri Aug 6 22:52:25 2004 From: mailman-dev at thepeters.org (Mark Peters) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 16:52:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman email list Backup via PHP script Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040806165028.029d7688@mail.thepeters.org> I created a PHP script which can be used to list the subscribers to a Mailman list. It does not require root access to run, which makes it useful for folks with hosting accounts. http://www.thepeters.org/mailmanBackup.htm It could be improved to glean settings, etc., but gets the basic job done of listing email addresses for backup or other purposes. This is provide as-is. Use at your own risk. M From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Fri Aug 6 23:11:26 2004 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn Sieb) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:11:26 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about public HTML pages... In-Reply-To: <4113ABF3.8080200@wingfoot.org> References: <4113024A.6010508@wingfoot.org> <411379F0.9000004@webbalah.net> <4113ABF3.8080200@wingfoot.org> Message-ID: <4113F3FE.4040304@wingfoot.org> Glenn Sieb said the following on 8/6/2004 12:04 PM: > It looks (upon examining the page source) that the form starts way early: I found that by putting the code in a new row under "" it works as needed, and gives the exposure necessary for the listowner. Thanks, everyone :) Best, Glenn -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 From stephen at xemacs.org Sat Aug 7 08:48:45 2004 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:48:45 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: don't delivery messages In-Reply-To: <011901c47bf6$4ab25930$2d7330c8@c021729> (David Elias Sanchez Vasquez's message of "Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:45:20 -0500") References: <011901c47bf6$4ab25930$2d7330c8@c021729> Message-ID: <873c2zpho2.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> >>>>> "David" == David Elias Sanchez Vasquez writes: David> I did ask to my provider and they answered me this: David> "Try it again and let me know- there is a setting that says David> how many one user can send per hour that was set to low for David> this list but I changed it. David> Jeremy" David> So this was the reason. Is there any reliable provider David> where I can send mails to more than 2000 suscribers without David> this restrictions? Any suggestions? If your mails are now going out, I would say "stick with these guys, they're good citizens". Problem reported, problem fixed. What more do you want? If you expect to ramp up the number of mails, make friends with Jeremy and let him know in advance. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From iane at sussex.ac.uk Sat Aug 7 18:00:19 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 17:00:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] don't delivery messages In-Reply-To: <00f601c47be3$8b229ab0$2d7330c8@c021729> References: <00f601c47be3$8b229ab0$2d7330c8@c021729> Message-ID: <2147483647.1091898019@[192.168.1.12]> --On Friday, August 6, 2004 1:31 pm -0500 David Elias Sanchez Vasquez wrote: > > Hello Folks > > I have a mailing list from about 2000 suscribers, I use it as a > newsletter. I contracted a new host cause the one before could not send > mails to many destinataries at the same time. I did send a message to > the list on Monday and it did delivery fine. I tried to do the same > yesterday and I did not. I have 4 hotmail e-mails, one from yahoo and > another one from another domaine and I did not get the message I did > sent. Hmmm... you are sure they are all subscribed to the list? You have waited - sometimes it can take hours or days to get mail to a hotmail or yahoo address. I just saw one email delayed 2 hours by yahoo because the list (not my list) it came from had many bad yahoo addresses on it. They delay mail from addresses that try to deliver to invalid addresses. Fortunately, mailman will purge your list of bad addresses eventually. > I also did not get back the mail I did send (as is usual in any > mailing list). That is a subscriber option. You can choose whether you get copies of emails that you have posted to the list. > However, 3 persons wrote me back to tell me they have got > the message. These persons have not free-mail account. I don't know > what's going wrong there? Is there a problem from mailman? or from my > provider? Check that your addresses really are subscribed to the list. Check the user option to receive copies of your own postings. This is not likely to be a problem with mailman. It could be that your provider is blacklisted by anti-spam mechanisms. -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From jason at dixongroup.net Sat Aug 7 18:08:51 2004 From: jason at dixongroup.net (Jason Dixon) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:08:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating lists Message-ID: <12C1C61D-E88C-11D8-BF65-000D9355A496@dixongroup.net> I have a number of mailman lists that I'm attempting to migrate from an older OpenBSD server running Mailman 2.1.2 to a new RHEL server running Mailman 2.1.5. I built the new version from source, setting the mail-gid (postfix) and cgi-gid (apache) accordingly. I then copied over everything in /var/spool/mailman and set permissions for mailman ownership. Unfortunately, it appears that the mailing lists will need additional manipulation to get them working properly. I'm seeing the following errors when sending test mails to a list: Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post hatchet-users". Command output: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "postfix", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "nobody". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "postfix", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nobody'. What can I do to resolve this? Do I need to manually dump/restore list configurations from the old server (if so, how)? Thanks in advance, -- Jason Dixon, RHCE DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net From mpallo at rhinopit.com Sun Aug 8 00:49:40 2004 From: mpallo at rhinopit.com (Mark Pallo) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:49:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hotmail Accounts Getting Filtered in RTF Message-ID: <003a01c47cd0$d3610850$0301a8c0@tottenham> Hello, There seems to be a problem with a list I administer with Hotmail accounts who are sending in "rich text" format being filtered. It only affects Hotmail users. If they send in plain text they are fine. Is there any sort of MIME type config I need to add so these don't bounce? I am using 2.1.5 Thank you. From jason at dixongroup.net Sun Aug 8 02:11:10 2004 From: jason at dixongroup.net (Jason Dixon) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:11:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating lists In-Reply-To: <12C1C61D-E88C-11D8-BF65-000D9355A496@dixongroup.net> References: <12C1C61D-E88C-11D8-BF65-000D9355A496@dixongroup.net> Message-ID: <73CD34A7-E8CF-11D8-BF65-000D9355A496@dixongroup.net> On Aug 7, 2004, at 12:08 PM, Jason Dixon wrote: > I have a number of mailman lists that I'm attempting to migrate from > an older OpenBSD server running Mailman 2.1.2 to a new RHEL server > running Mailman 2.1.5. I built the new version from source, setting > the mail-gid (postfix) and cgi-gid (apache) accordingly. I then > copied over everything in /var/spool/mailman and set permissions for > mailman ownership. Sorry, please disregard. I forgot that postfix uses "nobody" as the default_privs setting. I've rebuilt mailman and it works fine now. Thanks, -- Jason Dixon, RHCE DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net From Admin at AnoeticConcepts.com Sun Aug 8 05:13:03 2004 From: Admin at AnoeticConcepts.com (Anoetic Concepts) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:13:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting/pruning archives Message-ID: <04bf01c47cf5$9fc6bc90$6401a8c0@System2G> I need to reduce the size of some of my list archives. Am I correct that it is the archives that reside in the directory at /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/archives/private. It seems there are 2 directories associated with each list. One is in the format: listname_domain.name and the other is in the format: listname_domain.name.mbox Both of these directories seem to have email messages in them; they seem to be in one file in the mbox directory. What is the function/purpose of the contents in these directories? Can any of the contents of either directory be removed without impacting the proper functioning of Mailman? If some can be removed but not all, please tell me what I can and cannot remove. I do not want to break any of the lists or Mailman itself. Also, I'm seeing a few directories for domains which have been removed from the server. Why were these directories not removed when the accounts were deleted? Is it safe to entirely remove the directories? All help is appreciated. Jeff Anoetic Concepts From admin at alb-islam.com Thu Aug 5 12:48:21 2004 From: admin at alb-islam.com (admin at alb-islam.com) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:48:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the server Message-ID: <200408051048.i75AmSKe017831@smtp-dtc01.proxy.aol.com> What do I have to do to keep my mailing list, when I change the server? Please let me know as soon as you can. Thank you very much for your attention on this matter! Regards, Abdullah From CMailhebuau at abul.org Sat Aug 7 10:19:43 2004 From: CMailhebuau at abul.org (Christophe Mailhebuau) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:19:43 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem Message-ID: <20040807081943.GC1825@zohar.justlinux.org> Hi have a problem with my mailman installation, can you help me ? -- Cordialement, Christophe Mailhebuau http://www.justlinux.org http://www.abul.org GPG: 1024D/75B07F8D: BD18 2D01 D954 A339 E35B 9EA1 4240 0410 75B0 7F8D From wolfgang at riedmann.it Wed Aug 4 18:22:50 2004 From: wolfgang at riedmann.it (Wolfgang Riedmann) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 18:22:50 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman archives requiring logons In-Reply-To: References: <4103B3DD.20716.1AC7650@localhost> Message-ID: <4111297A.11925.8BF677@localhost> Hi Brad, I'm using MailMan 2.0.11 as default for Debian Woody. > > When I now try to access the archive, it ask email and password as it > > should be, and after a succesful login, I can select the messages I > > would like to see. When I then select a thread, it asks me again to > > login. > > > > What can be wrong? Session cookies should be active. I have tried > > with IE5, Opera 7.23 and Mozilla 1.5.... I have now tracked down the thing to erroneus session cookies. MailMan sets all cookies to an expiration date of january, 1, 1970. I have modified the apache configuration for a default value of 60 minutes, but the MailMan cookie keeps the wrong expiration date. I have now looked at www.backports.org, and there is a newer version available: 2.1.4. Should this cure my problems? Thank you very much! Wolfgang -- -- Wolfgang Riedmann -- Individuelle EDV-L?sungen - Soluzioni informatiche personalizzate -- I-39012 Meran, V. Laurin-Str. 2d -- http://www.riedmann.it - wolfgang at riedmann.it From mitchell at cuip.net Sat Aug 7 19:33:12 2004 From: mitchell at cuip.net (Mitchell Marks) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:33:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors after upgrade 2.1.2 -> 2.1.5 In-Reply-To: <20040807100057.8EFB91E4019@bag.python.org> References: <20040807100057.8EFB91E4019@bag.python.org> Message-ID: I did an upgrade from 2.1.2 to 2.1.5 and started seeing the errors like the one quoted below. It's always in "dequeue" but sometimes from various queues under qfiles. The installation used T. Kikuchi's patch to CookHeaders but was not in any other way unusual. The only other special circumstance I can think of is that last week I upgraded Python -- but these errors didn't start then. Redhat 7.3 (now Fedora Legacy kernel), Python 2.3.4 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 70, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 99, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 143, in dequeue fp = open(filename) IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/archive/1091899420.2603121+4cd9952902c07412384595bc48940b8ca1cb6091.pck' Any suggestions? thanks much, Mitch Marks -- Mitchell Marks CUIP & WIT Tech Coordinator CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project WIT: Web Institute for Teachers http://cuip.net/cuip http://tech.cuip.net/ http://wit.uchicago.edu/wit 5640 S Ellis Ave AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637 Phones: Area 773 (O) 702-6041 (F) 702-8212 (H) 241-7166 (C) 620-6744 Email: Primary address: mitchell at cuip.net Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems with CUIP\WIT mail!): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and mmar at midway.uchicago.edu Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at pobox.com "Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us some e-mail..." (Seen on Mikey's List) From Mike.S.Flaherty at gdc4s.com Wed Aug 4 21:03:00 2004 From: Mike.S.Flaherty at gdc4s.com (Flaherty, Mike S) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 15:03:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't confirm subscriptions Message-ID: <3DFFB0670A395946974CE996C720732401D1DFEF@NDHMC4SXCH.gdc4s.com> OS = Redhat 7.3 Python = 2.2.2 Mailman = 2.0.13 (RPM) {note I tried from 2.1.5 source code first but didn't get even this far so I backed it off} I seem to be having very similar issues as described in... http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-March/004095.html Also, while I see a list of addresses awaiting confirmation sitting in /var/log/mailman/subscribe, I do not see them under the "members" link in the admin web page (just emoty). To be clear, I am able to initiate a subscription request, however when I try to confirm it via email as instructed by the Mailman email message I recieve, I get nothing back at all. My sendmail log looks like this when I try... to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test1", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=31016, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent Mike From jnoreman at yahoo.com Sat Aug 7 00:20:13 2004 From: jnoreman at yahoo.com (Jeff Noreman) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug report Message-ID: <20040806222013.20623.qmail@web41704.mail.yahoo.com> Who can create lists? Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create _update_maps() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /private/var/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.3 (#1, Sep 13 2003, 00:49:11) [GCC 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1495)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3 sys.exec_prefix /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3 sys.path /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3 sys.platform darwin Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_REFERER http://192.168.0.101/mailman/create SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.29 (Darwin) SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.29 Server at 192.168.0.101 Port 16080 REQUEST_METHOD POST SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING CONTENT_LENGTH 148 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/125.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.8 HTTP_CONNECTION close SERVER_NAME 192.168.0.101 REMOTE_ADDR 192.168.0.101 HTTP_PC_REMOTE_ADDR 192.168.0.101 SERVER_PORT 16080 SERVER_ADDR 192.168.0.101 DOCUMENT_ROOT /Library/WebServer/Documents PYTHONPATH /usr/share/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/share/mailman/cgi-bin/create SERVER_ADMIN admin at example.com SCRIPT_URI http://192.168.0.101:16080/mailman/create HTTP_HOST 192.168.0.101 SCRIPT_URL /mailman/create REQUEST_URI /mailman/create HTTP_ACCEPT */* GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 REMOTE_PORT 59048 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us, ja;q=0.57, ja-jp;q=0.71, en;q=0.86, fr;q=0.43, de-de;q=0.29, de;q=0.14 __CF_USER_TEXT_ENCODING 0x46:0:0 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate;q=1.0, identity;q=0.5, *;q=0 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From ijursetti at lycos.com Sun Aug 8 01:51:19 2004 From: ijursetti at lycos.com (Jerry Ursetti) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:51:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing html Message-ID: <20040807235119.CF9733384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> I manage several websites. I would like to give all of the Mailman pages that subscribers see the same look and feel. I can see how to edit the general information page, the subscribe results page and the user specific options page. How do I edit the confirm subscription request page, the subscription request confirmed page, the membership login page, and the unsubscription results page? Thank you. Jerry -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From pbgfx at mac.com Sun Aug 8 19:38:24 2004 From: pbgfx at mac.com (PeteBell) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:38:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription results page In-Reply-To: <04bf01c47cf5$9fc6bc90$6401a8c0@System2G> References: <04bf01c47cf5$9fc6bc90$6401a8c0@System2G> Message-ID: Hi Given that we can personalise the "Subscription results page" in Mailman, I am having difficulty doing this. I want to add graphics to personalise it like the rest of my site, but when I first tried, and then tried to call up the subscription results page (by subscribing an address), I got a totally blank page. So, I put the code back how it was and got it working okay. Now, I am wondering if the page can't find my graphics, etc. I tried adding a test graphic and sure enough, a broken link came up. How do you call up graphics which reside on the same site as the list? Cheers Pete, UK From pbgfx at mac.com Sun Aug 8 19:42:59 2004 From: pbgfx at mac.com (PeteBell) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:42:59 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman forms In-Reply-To: <04bf01c47cf5$9fc6bc90$6401a8c0@System2G> References: <04bf01c47cf5$9fc6bc90$6401a8c0@System2G> Message-ID: <63760AD0-E962-11D8-9091-0003933EA39A@mac.com> Is there a way to find out what forms have are available for Mailman cgi scripts? I have successfully incorporated the "subscribe" mail form into my website, but would like to be able to use a form to UNsubscribe (currently, you have to go to the options page and enter your password, but it is possible to unsubscribe by email with password authentication in the one email, so how can I have this in the form of a form!? I'd also like to do the same with "delivery off/on" and other features. Is it "FormMail" Mailman uses? Or cgiMail? or what? Cheers Pete, UK From steve at siesel.net Sun Aug 8 19:57:33 2004 From: steve at siesel.net (Steve Siesel) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 13:57:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web URL Message-ID: <001601c47d71$2f0e4fa0$2530fcc6@steve> I would like to set up Mailman to have the following URL: www.mydomain.com instead of www.mydomain.com /mailman I have exhausted myself working with virtual hosts and in the mm.cfg.py file to get to the mailman page without the /mailman. Can anyone help me? Thanks Steve From erin at thedalzells.org Sun Aug 8 22:28:44 2004 From: erin at thedalzells.org (Erin Dalzell) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 13:28:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive URL is incorrect In-Reply-To: <411150EB.6040004@thedalzells.org> References: <411150EB.6040004@thedalzells.org> Message-ID: <8B851B85-E979-11D8-817F-003065F12818@thedalzells.org> So can I assume that no one has heard of this problem? On 4-Aug-04, at 2:11 PM, Erin Dalzell wrote: > I have a mailing list set up at > http://www.thedalzells.org/mailman/listinfo/canuck_hlp_pb. When you > click on the archive link, it trys to take you to > http://s0106000c41832a90.vc.shawcable.net/pipermail/canuck_hlp_pb/. > Where is it getting that host name from? > > In my mm_cfg.py file I have: > ################################################## > # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. > MTA = "Postfix" > IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/' > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'thedalzells.org' > DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.thedalzells.org/mailman/' > > I am running on Mac OS X 10.3.4, Apache 1.3.29 and Postfix (don't know > what version). > > Thanks > > emd > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > ---- http://www.TheDalzells.org - Where We Live From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sun Aug 8 23:16:49 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:16:49 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug report In-Reply-To: <20040806222013.20623.qmail@web41704.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040806222013.20623.qmail@web41704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 3:20 PM -0700 2004-08-06, Jeff Noreman wrote: > Who can create lists? See . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sun Aug 8 23:16:28 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:16:28 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the server In-Reply-To: <200408051048.i75AmSKe017831@smtp-dtc01.proxy.aol.com> References: <200408051048.i75AmSKe017831@smtp-dtc01.proxy.aol.com> Message-ID: At 11:48 AM +0100 2004-08-05, wrote: > What do I have to do to keep my mailing list, when I change the server? See . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sun Aug 8 23:18:36 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:18:36 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hotmail Accounts Getting Filtered in RTF In-Reply-To: <003a01c47cd0$d3610850$0301a8c0@tottenham> References: <003a01c47cd0$d3610850$0301a8c0@tottenham> Message-ID: At 6:49 PM -0400 2004-08-07, Mark Pallo wrote: > There seems to be a problem with a list I administer with Hotmail > accounts who are sending in "rich text" format being filtered. It only > affects Hotmail users. If they send in plain text they are fine. > > Is there any sort of MIME type config I need to add so these don't > bounce? Probably. Get them to privately send you a sample message in RTF so that you can look at the MIME headers, and then put the appropriate entries into your configuration. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sun Aug 8 23:21:06 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:21:06 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting/pruning archives In-Reply-To: <04bf01c47cf5$9fc6bc90$6401a8c0@System2G> References: <04bf01c47cf5$9fc6bc90$6401a8c0@System2G> Message-ID: At 8:13 PM -0700 2004-08-07, Anoetic Concepts wrote: > I need to reduce the size of some of my list archives. Am I correct > that it is the archives that reside in the directory at > /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/archives/private. Could be, but see . > If some can be removed but not all, please tell me what I can and > cannot remove. I do not want to break any of the lists or Mailman > itself. You may find and useful. > Also, I'm seeing a few directories for domains which have been removed > from the server. Why were these directories not removed when the > accounts were deleted? Is it safe to entirely remove the directories? Dunno. This may be a CPanel-specific thing. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sun Aug 8 23:17:11 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:17:11 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem In-Reply-To: <20040807081943.GC1825@zohar.justlinux.org> References: <20040807081943.GC1825@zohar.justlinux.org> Message-ID: At 10:19 AM +0200 2004-08-07, Christophe Mailhebuau wrote: > Hi have a problem with my mailman installation, can you help me ? See . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From graffargentina at yahoo.com.ar Mon Aug 9 00:27:42 2004 From: graffargentina at yahoo.com.ar (=?iso-8859-1?q?M=20F?=) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 19:27:42 -0300 (ART) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Global installation Message-ID: <20040808222742.71669.qmail@web51805.mail.yahoo.com> Hi. I haveinstalled mailman , and it is working. My Server: qmail + vpopmail Ok, now what I would like is: how can I install mailman but in a global installation? I mean. At this moment I installed mailman in a very specific way, it working but only in one domain. If I create a new domain I have toinstall mailiman in that domain. What I would like is to install mailman just once and to be available to all the domains in the server. Can mailman do that? Instructions will be prciated or any URL indicateing how to do this. Thanks Correo Yahoo! - 6 MB, tecnolog?a antispam ?gratis! Suscribite ya http://correo.yahoo.com.ar/ From johnnyz at battlenut.org Mon Aug 9 07:19:25 2004 From: johnnyz at battlenut.org (John Randall) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] public lists Message-ID: <61325.64.146.135.64.1092028765.squirrel@64.146.135.64> Hello all, I am having an issue with mailman with setting the lists to be public (list name viewable when a request for lists in my domain are asked for). If I set both lists to public, only one will show up. If I go to the one that is not showing up and toggle the "Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this machine?" from yes to no, save then change it back to yes and save again, that list will show but the other one does not. If I go to the other one and toggle the setting then it will show but the first one will not. I have been struggling with this for days now, and I have not found an answer. I thought someone on this list may be able to enlighten me. Many thanks for any help. JohnnyZ BattleNut Server Admin http://www.battlenut.org/ http://webmail.battlenut.org http://family.battlenut.org http://photos.battlenut.org/ CS:CZ Server IP: 65.40.220.182 johnnyz at battlenut.org GO DOLPHINS!! From ral at codewan.com.ph Mon Aug 9 09:42:40 2004 From: ral at codewan.com.ph (lito lampitoc) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:42:40 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no mailbox here by that name error Message-ID: <1092037360.3671.147.camel@cwadmin> I received this bounce error : Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) even though I followed all the required steps in README.QMAIL, tried to use qmail-to-mailman.py and did a manual aliasing too, but no luck, I have been with this problem for 3 days now. I compiled mailman with different mail group gid such as qmail and mailman, still it doesn't work, what do you think is the problem? Please help. Thanks. From mpallo at rhinopit.com Mon Aug 9 12:44:36 2004 From: mpallo at rhinopit.com (Mark Pallo) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 06:44:36 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hotmail Accounts Getting Filtered in RTF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000d01c47dfd$ddf93070$0301a8c0@tottenham> I had the person send me an email and viewed the mime headers. It showed: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html I added this entry in the "Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type." The message did not bounce, but the body of the message was stripped and all that came through was the list footer. Initially when I setup the list I had the "Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? option checked as NO. I believe this was the default when I created the list via my hosting provider. This was causing the list footer to come across as an attachment (Something like "ATT000001.TXT) eveytime a message was posted, so I activatd this to YES. Any ideas? Am I putting the text/html MIME type in the wrong config area? I'd like to think folks who are using Hotmail's Rich Text editor will be able to participate on my list. Any help would be great as I have included my config below regarding my Filtering options. These Hotmail people are the only problems. HTML or RTF emails sent to the list using Netscape or Outlook are properly converted to plain text and distributed to the list without any issues. Thank you. ------------------------------------ Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the settings below? (Edit filter_content) YES ------------------------------------ Remove message attachments that have a matching content type. (Details for filter_mime_types) NO ENTRIES ------------------------------------ Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type. Leave this field blank to skip this filter test. (Details for pass_mime_types) multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain ------------------------------------- Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion happens after MIME attachments have been stripped. (Edit convert_html_to_plaintext) YES ------------------------------------- Action to take when a message matches the content filtering rules. (Details for filter_action) Forward to Listowner -------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Brad Knowles [mailto:brad.knowles at skynet.be] Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 5:19 PM To: Mark Pallo Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Hotmail Accounts Getting Filtered in RTF At 6:49 PM -0400 2004-08-07, Mark Pallo wrote: > There seems to be a problem with a list I administer with Hotmail > accounts who are sending in "rich text" format being filtered. It only > affects Hotmail users. If they send in plain text they are fine. > > Is there any sort of MIME type config I need to add so these don't > bounce? Probably. Get them to privately send you a sample message in RTF so that you can look at the MIME headers, and then put the appropriate entries into your configuration. -- Brad Knowles, From john at wa9als.com Mon Aug 9 13:25:16 2004 From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 06:25:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] public lists References: <61325.64.146.135.64.1092028765.squirrel@64.146.135.64> Message-ID: <005601c47e03$9c68ebe0$a7814094@wn9als> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Randall" To: Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 12:19 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] public lists > Hello all, > > I am having an issue with mailman with setting the lists to be public > (list name viewable when a request for lists in my domain are asked for). > If I set both lists to public, only one will show up. If I go to the one > that is not showing up and toggle the "Advertise this list when people ask > what lists are on this machine?" from yes to no, save then change it back > to yes and save again, that list will show but the other one does not. If > I go to the other one and toggle the setting then it will show but the > first one will not. I have been struggling with this for days now, and I > have not found an answer. I thought someone on this list may be able to > enlighten me. Many thanks for any help. I have a somewhat similar problem. Most of the time (but not always!), when I ask for the public lists, there aren't any. It says "There are no publicly-advertised list....." However, if I login to admin interface, then logout and ask for the public lists, they are there. I can't see any other pattern to it, and I've tried naive browsers on naive machines with the same behavior. Tnx - John From brad.knowles at skynet.be Mon Aug 9 13:32:36 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:32:36 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] public lists In-Reply-To: <61325.64.146.135.64.1092028765.squirrel@64.146.135.64> References: <61325.64.146.135.64.1092028765.squirrel@64.146.135.64> Message-ID: At 10:19 PM -0700 2004-08-08, John Randall wrote: > I am having an issue with mailman with setting the lists to be public > (list name viewable when a request for lists in my domain are asked for). > If I set both lists to public, only one will show up. Both lists? There's a lot of configuration details that are missing here. Please see . Without any further configuration details, it's going to be impossible to help you. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Mon Aug 9 13:40:31 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:40:31 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hotmail Accounts Getting Filtered in RTF In-Reply-To: <000d01c47dfd$ddf93070$0301a8c0@tottenham> References: <000d01c47dfd$ddf93070$0301a8c0@tottenham> Message-ID: At 6:44 AM -0400 2004-08-09, Mark Pallo wrote: > I had the person send me an email and viewed the mime headers. It > showed: > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/html That's part of the external MIME header for the message itself. What about the content-transfer-encoding, content-type, and charset? > I added this entry in the "Remove message attachments that don't have a > matching content type." The message did not bounce, but the body of the > message was stripped and all that came through was the list footer. That could be because lynx doesn't understand the Hotmail RTF format, and effectively ended up stripping the message body. > Initially when I setup the list I had the "Should Mailman convert > text/html parts to plain text? option checked as NO. I believe this was > the default when I created the list via my hosting provider. This was > causing the list footer to come across as an attachment (Something like > "ATT000001.TXT) eveytime a message was posted, so I activatd this to > YES. See also . > I'd like to think folks who are using Hotmail's Rich Text editor will be > able to participate on my list. Any help would be great as I have > included my config below regarding my Filtering options. These Hotmail > people are the only problems. HTML or RTF emails sent to the list using > Netscape or Outlook are properly converted to plain text and distributed > to the list without any issues. This is clearly a Hotmail specific issue. It may be a problem between Hotmail and lynx, in which case we may not be able to do anything to help you. But more evidence is required. Try forwarding the complete set of headers of their test message they sent to you, with all headers intact. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Mon Aug 9 13:34:06 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:34:06 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no mailbox here by that name error In-Reply-To: <1092037360.3671.147.camel@cwadmin> References: <1092037360.3671.147.camel@cwadmin> Message-ID: At 3:42 PM +0800 2004-08-09, lito lampitoc wrote: > I received this bounce error > > : > Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) > > even though I followed all the required steps in README.QMAIL, > tried to use qmail-to-mailman.py and did a manual aliasing too, but no > luck, I have been with this problem for 3 days now. You don't have qmail configured to know about the aliases. This is a qmail configuration problem, not a problem with Mailman. If the Mailman documentation is not sufficient to help you, I would suggest asking for additional help on mailing lists, newsgroups, etc... that are specific to qmail. But I don't think there's anything more we can do to help you. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From theall at tifaware.com Mon Aug 9 17:39:16 2004 From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:39:16 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive URL is incorrect In-Reply-To: <8B851B85-E979-11D8-817F-003065F12818@thedalzells.org> References: <411150EB.6040004@thedalzells.org> <8B851B85-E979-11D8-817F-003065F12818@thedalzells.org> Message-ID: <20040809153916.GB31826@tifaware.com> On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 01:28:44PM -0700, Erin Dalzell wrote: > >I have a mailing list set up at > >http://www.thedalzells.org/mailman/listinfo/canuck_hlp_pb. When you > >click on the archive link, it trys to take you to > >http://s0106000c41832a90.vc.shawcable.net/pipermail/canuck_hlp_pb/. > >Where is it getting that host name from? It comes from your IP address; ie, theall at garlic:~>host www.thedalzells.org www.thedalzells.org has address 24.85.231.47 theall at garlic:~>host 24.85.231.47 47.231.85.24.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer S0106000c41832a90.vc.shawcable.net. > >In my mm_cfg.py file I have: > >################################################## > ># Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. > >MTA = "Postfix" > >IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/' > >DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'thedalzells.org' > >DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.thedalzells.org/mailman/' You should probably add the following: DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.thedalzells.org'; See . George -- theall at tifaware.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040809/d5e839ee/attachment.pgp From david at pananix.com Mon Aug 9 18:35:30 2004 From: david at pananix.com (David A. Bandel) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:35:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.4 Outgoing qrunner problem Message-ID: <20040809113530.37580d30.david@pananix.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Folks, OK, I seem to have somehow gotten totally corrupted .pck and .pck.last files for one of my lists. Since they contained no good data, I moved them out of the way and recreated the list. Now, the Outgoing qrunner won?t start giving me the following message: mail:/var/lib/mailman/bin# ./qrunner --runner=Outgoing Traceback (most recent call last): File "./qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "./qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 65, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 93, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 156, in dequeue data = self._ext_read(dbfile) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 263, in _ext_read dict = marshal.load(fp) ValueError: bad marshal data Thoughts, ideas? TIA, David A. Bandel - -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. Nemesis Racing Team motto GPG key autoresponder: mailto:david_key at pananix.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBF6fSj31PLQNUbV4RAgQ4AJ9XC3zde+W37FfhidxRd8eVvqmsfQCgp4yr XfIKJQbCil2Xq7eYJNCyzgE= =Oond -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From erin at thedalzells.org Mon Aug 9 18:39:28 2004 From: erin at thedalzells.org (Erin Dalzell) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 09:39:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive URL is incorrect In-Reply-To: <20040809153916.GB31826@tifaware.com> References: <411150EB.6040004@thedalzells.org> <8B851B85-E979-11D8-817F-003065F12818@thedalzells.org> <20040809153916.GB31826@tifaware.com> Message-ID: <4117A8C0.7050402@thedalzells.org> George Theall wrote: > On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 01:28:44PM -0700, Erin Dalzell wrote: > > >>>I have a mailing list set up at >>>http://www.thedalzells.org/mailman/listinfo/canuck_hlp_pb. When you >>>click on the archive link, it trys to take you to >>>http://s0106000c41832a90.vc.shawcable.net/pipermail/canuck_hlp_pb/. >>>Where is it getting that host name from? > > > It comes from your IP address; ie, > > theall at garlic:~>host www.thedalzells.org > www.thedalzells.org has address 24.85.231.47 > > theall at garlic:~>host 24.85.231.47 > 47.231.85.24.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer S0106000c41832a90.vc.shawcable.net. > > >>>In my mm_cfg.py file I have: >>>################################################## >>># Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. >>>MTA = "Postfix" >>>IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/' >>>DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'thedalzells.org' >>>DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.thedalzells.org/mailman/' > > > You should probably add the following: > > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.thedalzells.org'; > > See . Thanks, that did the trick!! emd From embrey at hood.edu Mon Aug 9 21:07:14 2004 From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:07:14 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] shunted messages Message-ID: Mailman-Users: I had a RedHat Linux server running mailman 2.1.5. I am trying to determine what causes a message to be shunted. I have mailman configured for smtpdirect to my primary mailserver. When I use the unshunt command the message is delivered but the .pck file remains in the qfiles/sunt directory. What can be causing this and how do I correct it? Bruce Embrey Bruce Edward Embrey : Linux Systems Manager Campus Email Admin / NETREG : UNIX / Linux Administrator Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927 From alexandro.colorado at expolinux.org Mon Aug 9 21:14:00 2004 From: alexandro.colorado at expolinux.org (Alexandro Colorado) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:14:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Manking an announcement list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I finally found my question on the faq and I got this response: "Features: Members join by filling in a form on your website (and replying to the confirmation email). They will be sent a welcome message that does not mention how to post to the list. They will receive your newsletters, with a footer that gives simple instructions for unsubscribing. Only authorized persons can post to the list (send the newsletters). (Note: For this FAQ we are discussing how to setup an announcement list for a band.)" I am sorry but is not very clear, I use mailman's web front end and I wonder where is the options to set it up properly. Then it says " They will be sent a welcome message that does not mention how to post to the list." Are they discribing a newsletter-list? or they are suggesting going security through obscurity? I think this is a very obscure and non-specific response. If anyone have set up a newsletter through mailman control panel, please respond. On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:59:33 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > Hi I have read through the documentation and I havent been able to > answer my problem. I want something to make so just the admin can post > and the other can just read, or an annoucement list. > -- Coordinador de XpoLinux http://www.expolinux.org 993.376.0011 From rechlin at ca.stilo.com Mon Aug 9 21:31:57 2004 From: rechlin at ca.stilo.com (Robert Echlin) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:31:57 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem Message-ID: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> Hi, I have a problem discarding pending messages for the admin. One of our mail lists has accumulated over 10,000 (ten thousand) spam messages. The web page to show pending messages, after several minutes, maybe an hour, still seems to be churning away, so fix methods based on looking at the web page won't work. There is a python process owned by Apache churning away using up 200M of memory. Stopping /etc/init.d/mailman and closing my browser eventually kills it. Info: lists//request.pck is over 5M. lists//pending.pck is only 1263 bytes. Stuff I looked at: - 2004 mailman list messages. - google for "discard mailman script" - mailman faq (search for discard) - docs on www.list.org - bin/discard.py seems to require some sort of a file as input, but there are no docs for it on http://www.list.org/site.html, where other command line programs seem to be documented. If it's like Skip's mmdiscard.py, http://manatee.mojam.com/~skip/python/ then it needs a file created by looking at the web interface. - David Wolfskill's dispose.py seems to require a file input like discard. - bulk-vette requires an include file called mailman, which doesn't seem to exist in my version (suggestions??) Config: Mailman 2.1.5 on RH Linux 9 What I think I wanna do: DELETE the (appropriate, offending) file!!! Actually, shut down /etc/init.d/mailman, and apache. I should shut down sendmail, too, I expect. Delete the file (request.pck???). touch the filename. chmod to match what it was. restart stopped daemons. Will this work? Any better ideas? Robert -- Robert Echlin Contractor - Infrastructure Specialist rechlin at ca.stilo.com Voice: (613) 745-4242 extension 232 Fax: (613) 745-5560 Stilo Corporation 1900 City Park Drive, Suite 504 Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1J 1A3 http://www.stilo.com This message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, copying, or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient(s) please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message and any attachments. From alexandro.colorado at expolinux.org Mon Aug 9 21:28:08 2004 From: alexandro.colorado at expolinux.org (Alexandro Colorado) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:28:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Only authorized persons can post to the list" option Message-ID: Anyone know where I can get to the "Only authorized persons can post to the list (send the newsletters)." option within the admin panel -- Coordinador de XpoLinux http://www.expolinux.org 993.376.0011 From rechlin at ca.stilo.com Mon Aug 9 21:41:25 2004 From: rechlin at ca.stilo.com (Robert Echlin) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:41:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Discarding after a few days Message-ID: <001a01c47e48$db9e8280$ef02430a@dustpuppy> Hi, One of the mailman faq's for a university, not sure which one, mentioned that with their installation, pending requests were discarded after 3 days. Is that a custom change to mailman, or is there a way to configure that in mailman 2.1.5? I couldn't see a way to do it from the web interface on a per list basis. Is it some sort of site wide command line setting? Robert -- Robert Echlin Contractor - Infrastructure Specialist rechlin at ca.stilo.com Voice: (613) 745-4242 extension 232 Fax: (613) 745-5560 Stilo Corporation 1900 City Park Drive, Suite 504 Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1J 1A3 http://www.stilo.com This message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, copying, or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient(s) please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message and any attachments. From alexandro.colorado at expolinux.org Mon Aug 9 20:59:33 2004 From: alexandro.colorado at expolinux.org (Alexandro Colorado) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:59:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manking an announcement list Message-ID: Hi I have read through the documentation and I havent been able to answer my problem. I want something to make so just the admin can post and the other can just read, or an annoucement list. -- Coordinador de XpoLinux http://www.expolinux.org 993.376.0011 From ARaacing at aol.com Mon Aug 9 22:01:49 2004 From: ARaacing at aol.com (ARaacing at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:01:49 EDT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman stopped sending outgoing email Message-ID: <127.47bead06.2e49322d@aol.com> I started a Mailman list about 4 months ago and it has been working great. A few days ago Mailman appears to have stopped sending out emails to the list. Also, when someone submits an email I don't receive an email saying that there is an email that is waiting for administrative approval. Mailman is accepting incoming emails, it is just not sending out emails. Does anyone have a suggestion as to what is wrong? And how to fix it? I haven't changed any settings, it just stopped working. Thank you in advance! Michael Johnson From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Mon Aug 9 22:18:15 2004 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 05:18:15 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Discarding after a few days In-Reply-To: <001a01c47e48$db9e8280$ef02430a@dustpuppy> References: <001a01c47e48$db9e8280$ef02430a@dustpuppy> Message-ID: <4117DC07.7090908@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Robert Echlin wrote: > One of the mailman faq's for a university, not sure which one, mentioned > that with their installation, pending requests were discarded after 3 days. > > Is that a custom change to mailman, or is there a way to configure that in > mailman 2.1.5? I couldn't see a way to do it from the web interface on a per > list basis. Is it some sort of site wide command line setting? > Try this patch. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=790494&group_id=103&atid=300103 Cheers, -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From rechlin at ca.stilo.com Mon Aug 9 22:18:55 2004 From: rechlin at ca.stilo.com (Robert Echlin) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:18:55 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manking an announcement list References: Message-ID: <002b01c47e4e$18b21790$ef02430a@dustpuppy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandro Colorado" To: Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 2:59 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manking an announcement list > Hi I have read through the documentation and I havent been able to answer > my problem. I want something to make so just the admin can post and the > other can just read, or an annoucement list. This is easy, but only if you understand it. Click on Privacy Options. Click on Send filters. Select as follows: "by default, should new members of the list be moderated?" -> Yes. "Action to take when a moderated member posts to the list." -> Discard or Reject. Then leave all members of the list, except the admin, moderated. If you choose "reject", you might want to add a note in the "Text to include in any rejection notice" box, for instance, a more polite and more specific version of "This is a read-only mail list. If you have questions, send them to info at blah-domain.com" Robert From jeff at look.net Mon Aug 9 22:59:33 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:59:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Only authorized persons can post to the list" option In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03FB2AB8-EA47-11D8-B49D-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 9, 2004, at 3:28 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > Anyone know where I can get to the "Only authorized persons can post > to the list (send the newsletters)." option within the admin panel -Jeff From jeff at look.net Mon Aug 9 23:00:08 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:00:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman stopped sending outgoing email In-Reply-To: <127.47bead06.2e49322d@aol.com> References: <127.47bead06.2e49322d@aol.com> Message-ID: <1899B233-EA47-11D8-B49D-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 9, 2004, at 4:01 PM, ARaacing at aol.com wrote: > I started a Mailman list about 4 months ago and it has been working > great. A > few days ago Mailman appears to have stopped sending out emails to the > list. > Also, when someone submits an email I don't receive an email saying > that > there is an email that is waiting for administrative approval. > > Mailman is accepting incoming emails, it is just not sending out > emails. > > Does anyone have a suggestion as to what is wrong? And how to fix it? > > I haven't changed any settings, it just stopped working. Is the qrunner running? -Jeff From jeff at look.net Mon Aug 9 23:01:36 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:01:36 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manking an announcement list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D03289D-EA47-11D8-B49D-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 9, 2004, at 2:59 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > Hi I have read through the documentation and I havent been able to > answer my problem. I want something to make so just the admin can post > and the other can just read, or an annoucement list. See: -Jeff From bswihart at minuswired.com Mon Aug 9 23:46:13 2004 From: bswihart at minuswired.com (Ben Swihart) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:46:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to customize e-mail command request text? Message-ID: <001301c47e5a$5a427e00$6600a8c0@libertatium> Hello, I have found the /templates/ directory and this is very helpful for customizing certain things. Also, I am getting pretty familiar with the administrative interface to mailman v. 2.1.3, but I don't think I can edit e-mail command request messages. I am setting up mailman to be managed via e-mail. I would like to customize the subscription and unsubscription confirm/acknowledge e-mails that are sent when you execute an e-mail command. For example, if I wish to subscribe via e-mail, here is what I get: ----------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: The results of your e-mail command Attached: original mail Body: The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Results: Subscription request succeeded. - Done. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I'd really much rather just simply have an e-mail like this one: ----------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Your request is complete! Attached: nothing Body: Your request is complete: Subscription request succeeded. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Any suggestions? I looked into editing the mailman.po and compiling it with "msgfmt" but I wasn't sure which one to edit (or which text editor for that matter... Emacs seems to freak out). Thanks, Graylight From ARaacing at aol.com Tue Aug 10 00:12:05 2004 From: ARaacing at aol.com (ARaacing at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:12:05 EDT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sending Command Requests Message-ID: <87.12b1010b.2e4950b5@aol.com> I am a big beginner to Mailman! So here is my beginner question... How do you send a command request to Mailman? Like "restart". I believe my qrunner has stopped running. Thank you in advance! Michael Johnson From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Aug 10 00:25:51 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:25:51 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manking an announcement list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:59 PM -0500 2004-08-09, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > Hi I have read through the documentation and I havent been able to > answer my problem. I want something to make so just the admin can post > and the other can just read, or an annoucement list. Had you followed the instructions at , you would have easily turned up the entry at . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Aug 10 01:06:11 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 01:06:11 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sending Command Requests In-Reply-To: <87.12b1010b.2e4950b5@aol.com> References: <87.12b1010b.2e4950b5@aol.com> Message-ID: At 6:12 PM -0400 2004-08-09, ARaacing at aol.com wrote: > I am a big beginner to Mailman! So here is my beginner question... > > How do you send a command request to Mailman? > > Like "restart". You use the mailmanctl command-line program. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From gmerrick at guidewire.com Tue Aug 10 01:47:29 2004 From: gmerrick at guidewire.com (Gary Merrick) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:47:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] perplexed by gate_news errors Message-ID: <6BDD3B0EA944194FB3B26EAE5A7AE5A2355B9D@gwiredc1.guidewire.com> I saw this question was posted several times, but wasn't able to find an answer. Apologies if I missed it. My gate_news cron job is spewing out these errors: Subject: [Mailman] Cron /usr/bin/python -S/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 284, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 266, in main clearcache() File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 121, in clearcache conn.quit() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/nntplib.py", line 564, in quit resp = self.shortcmd('QUIT') File "/usr/lib/python2.3/nntplib.py", line 260, in shortcmd return self.getresp() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/nntplib.py", line 215, in getresp resp = self.getline() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/nntplib.py", line 207, in getline if not line: raise EOFError EOFError Other than the above errors, the mail<->news gateway seems to work fine. My environment: SuSE Linux 9.0 Mailman 2.1.5 Python 2.3 me: newbie I had this same setup running on a RedHat box, and was receiving the same errors. Any idea how to fix this? Any information would be very much appreciated! thanks, Gary From chartman at cccsda.org Tue Aug 10 06:36:08 2004 From: chartman at cccsda.org (Connley Hartman) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 21:36:08 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator password failing Message-ID: <411850B8.7040604@cccsda.org> I am working with Mailman on a RedHat box. When I set up the lists, I set the owner password. When I got into the setup I setup a moderator and set the password for the moderator. When we try to login as the moderator it doesn't work. Only the admin password is working. Not sure where to look since all the documentation I have read tells me it will work without a problem. Any ideas or directions someone could point me in would be greatly appreciated. chartman From pbgfx at mac.com Tue Aug 10 07:33:09 2004 From: pbgfx at mac.com (PeteBell) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 06:33:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug? In-Reply-To: References: <87.12b1010b.2e4950b5@aol.com> Message-ID: My list isn't up and running yet, as I'm testing it out first, but could this be a bug?... To change their options, a user would get to the options page and make changes, whilst being asked for a password to authenticate - all well and good. HOWEVER, my list of members is available to be seen by the other members (as I want it to be), but if a member is viewing this list, he can click on the name of another member and is able to make changes to that other person's options! That can't be right? PeteBell, UK From flavour at partyvibe.com Tue Aug 10 11:49:59 2004 From: flavour at partyvibe.com (Fran Boon) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:49:59 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From address to virtual domain with Sendmail In-Reply-To: <4110A4F4.50102@partyvibe.com> References: <4110A4F4.50102@partyvibe.com> Message-ID: <41189A47.6090405@partyvibe.com> Fran Boon wrote: > I am using mailman-2.1.5 on RedHat Enterprise 3 (Sendmail-8.12) > I wish to configure mailman to use an alias for access: lists.dom.ain > (This is done so that I can move the service to another machine later, > if I so wish) > I have set DEFAULT_URL_HOST & DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST to lists.dom.ain & > the Web interface & inbound mails all work fine. > However outgoing mails from the list appear as Sent by: > list-bounces at host.dom.ain > Admin mails come From: list-owner at host.dom.ain > My guess is that this is more of a sendmail issue than a mailman > issue, but it would be nice to know whether anyone has got this > working. -CUT- I managed to get some excellent support from the sendmail-questions list. The answer was that the lists.dom.ain was set as a CNAME. Switching this to an 'A' record has enabled the rewriting to work as expected :) Hope this is useful for the archives... Fran. From david at pananix.com Tue Aug 10 13:14:12 2004 From: david at pananix.com (David A. Bandel) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 06:14:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad marshal data Message-ID: <20040810061412.68836843.david@pananix.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 All, Anyone have _any_ idea what the fsck "bad marshal data" is. It crashes the Outgoing qrunner. More importantly, how to fix? Thanx, David A. Bandel - -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. Nemesis Racing Team motto GPG key autoresponder: mailto:david_key at pananix.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBGK4Ej31PLQNUbV4RAqrEAKDCnN1cQXp1oJBVbtjzSwsrVB1jWgCeL386 rZykQa/S9juf2zibN6LeRA0= =Fs/R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rkpn at british-genealogy.com Tue Aug 10 13:14:32 2004 From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:14:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator password failing In-Reply-To: <411850B8.7040604@cccsda.org> References: <411850B8.7040604@cccsda.org> Message-ID: <2+J8skOY4KGBFAbK@btconnect.com> In message <411850B8.7040604 at cccsda.org>, Connley Hartman writes >I am working with Mailman on a RedHat box. When I set up the lists, I >set the owner password. When I got into the setup I setup a moderator >and set the password for the moderator. When we try to login as the >moderator it doesn't work. Only the admin password is working. Not sure >where to look since all the documentation I have read tells me it will >work without a problem. > >Any ideas or directions someone could point me in would be greatly >appreciated. > >chartman You will find that the moderator password only works by entering the page where mail is moderated. The other pages are then securely under the control of the list administrator. Regards Rod -- Rod Neep Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com From CFrederick at afsc.org Tue Aug 10 15:09:04 2004 From: CFrederick at afsc.org (Chad Frederick) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:09:04 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator password failing Message-ID: <55F0D703F0FA4D409F341C95A11BF66D012946D2@DELTA.AFSC.local> The moderator does NOT have the right to go to the list admin page (ie http://list.domain.com/mailman/admin/LISTNAME). The moderator DOES have the right to go the moderator subsection of the admin page: http://list.domain.com/mailman/adminb/LISTNAME Does this answer your question? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Charles Frederick (215) 241 7183 Intern, Education Team, IT Department American Friends Service Committee -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Connley Hartman Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:36 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator password failing I am working with Mailman on a RedHat box. When I set up the lists, I set the owner password. When I got into the setup I setup a moderator and set the password for the moderator. When we try to login as the moderator it doesn't work. Only the admin password is working. Not sure where to look since all the documentation I have read tells me it will work without a problem. Any ideas or directions someone could point me in would be greatly appreciated. chartman ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From sean at sweetbourbon.com Tue Aug 10 16:22:10 2004 From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] danish language support Message-ID: Anybody know what is causing this error? Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py", line 105, in main loginpage(mlist, doc, None, language) File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py", line 813, in loginpage table.AddRow([_("""In order to change your membership option, you must File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 89, in _ return tns % dict ValueError: unsupported format character 'p' (0x70) at index 105 I'm running Mailman 2.1.5 on FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE with danish language set as the preferred but English is also supported.. I checked the error logs and nothing showed up specific to this error. Sean From CFrederick at afsc.org Tue Aug 10 16:44:16 2004 From: CFrederick at afsc.org (Chad Frederick) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:44:16 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator password failing Message-ID: <55F0D703F0FA4D409F341C95A11BF66D0129472B@DELTA.AFSC.local> Sorry--It was admindb, not adminb. DB as in Database. http://domain.com/mailman/admindb/LISTNAME. That should work. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Charles Frederick (215) 241 7183 Intern, Education Team, IT Department American Friends Service Committee -----Original Message----- From: Connley Hartman [mailto:chartman at cccsda.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:36 AM To: Chad Frederick Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderator password failing Hi Chad: Thanks for the info. When I go to the adminb I get an Object Not Found error. Is this a separate directory or script? When I try to locate adminb I am not finding anything with that name. Thanks Connley Hartman Chad Frederick wrote: >The moderator does NOT have the right to go to the list admin page (ie >http://list.domain.com/mailman/admin/LISTNAME). > >The moderator DOES have the right to go the moderator subsection of the >admin page: >http://list.domain.com/mailman/adminb/LISTNAME > >Does this answer your question? > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >- >------------ >Charles Frederick >(215) 241 7183 >Intern, Education Team, IT Department >American Friends Service Committee > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org >[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Connley Hartman >Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:36 AM >To: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator password failing > >I am working with Mailman on a RedHat box. When I set up the lists, I >set the owner password. When I got into the setup I setup a moderator >and set the password for the moderator. When we try to login as the >moderator it doesn't work. Only the admin password is working. Not sure >where to look since all the documentation I have read tells me it will >work without a problem. > >Any ideas or directions someone could point me in would be greatly >appreciated. > >chartman > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > >!DSPAM:4118ca00280301855721310! > > > > -- Enjoy the journey... Connley Hartman Central California Conference 559-347-3106 - Office 209-548-2892 - Pager http://ccc.adventist.org You don't have to be walking backwards to get behind. Attitude is the real disability. From erin at thedalzells.org Tue Aug 10 18:04:40 2004 From: erin at thedalzells.org (Erin Dalzell) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:04:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled] Message-ID: <4118F218.8030200@thedalzells.org> Anyone know what the issue is here? Thanks emd -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:00:02 -0700 (PDT) From: root at thedalzells.org (Cron Daemon) To: root at thedalzells.org Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 220, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 213, in main mlist.Save() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 525, in Save self.__save(dict) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 497, in __save os.unlink(fname_last) OSError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck.last' From erin at thedalzells.org Tue Aug 10 18:10:59 2004 From: erin at thedalzells.org (Erin Dalzell) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:10:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled] In-Reply-To: <4118F218.8030200@thedalzells.org> References: <4118F218.8030200@thedalzells.org> Message-ID: <4118F393.8050106@thedalzells.org> Erin Dalzell wrote: > Anyone know what the issue is here? > > Thanks > > emd > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S > /usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled > Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:00:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: root at thedalzells.org (Cron Daemon) > To: root at thedalzells.org > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 220, in ? > main() > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 213, in main > mlist.Save() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 525, in Save > self.__save(dict) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 497, in __save > os.unlink(fname_last) > OSError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck.last' A little more information: /usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman: ls config.pck config.pck.last config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.14889 config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.15100 config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.1795 config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.417 config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.423 From jeff at look.net Tue Aug 10 18:19:43 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:19:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled] In-Reply-To: <4118F218.8030200@thedalzells.org> References: <4118F218.8030200@thedalzells.org> Message-ID: <16D3689D-EAE9-11D8-97F0-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 10, 2004, at 12:04 PM, Erin Dalzell wrote: > Anyone know what the issue is here? > This looks like a OS X filesystem error. Permissions problem? -Jeff From erin at thedalzells.org Tue Aug 10 18:29:02 2004 From: erin at thedalzells.org (Erin Dalzell) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:29:02 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled] In-Reply-To: <16D3689D-EAE9-11D8-97F0-000A959666F6@look.net> References: <4118F218.8030200@thedalzells.org> <16D3689D-EAE9-11D8-97F0-000A959666F6@look.net> Message-ID: <4118F7CE.6030205@thedalzells.org> Jeff Barger wrote: > > On Aug 10, 2004, at 12:04 PM, Erin Dalzell wrote: > >> Anyone know what the issue is here? >> > > This looks like a OS X filesystem error. Permissions problem? Here are the permissions. What should they be? /usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman: ls -al total 56 drwxrwsr-x 9 root mailman 306 10 Aug 09:00 . drwxrwsr-x 4 root mailman 136 18 Jul 20:41 .. -rw-rw---- 1 root mailman 3600 9 Aug 12:00 config.pck -rw-rw---- 1 root mailman 3600 9 Aug 09:00 config.pck.last -rw-rw---- 1 root mailman 3600 2 Aug 09:00 config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.14889 -rw-rw---- 1 root mailman 3600 2 Aug 12:00 config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.15100 -rw-rw---- 1 root mailman 3600 10 Aug 09:00 config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.1795 -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 3600 10 Aug 08:00 config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.417 -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 3600 2 Aug 08:00 config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.423 From bswihart at minuswired.com Tue Aug 10 19:14:27 2004 From: bswihart at minuswired.com (Ben Swihart) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:14:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list info being sent as an attachment... Message-ID: <003f01c47efd$7eb36c10$6600a8c0@libertatium> Hello, I've got mailman 2.1.3 running well, but there is one detail left: when I send a post to the list, it's adding the following attachment: ______________________________________________ MyList mailing list MyList at mydomain.com http://mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/MyList_mydomain.com Is it possible to prevent this attachement from going out? I think this has to do with the fact that I'm sending an HTML mail. Thanks, Ben From jeff at look.net Tue Aug 10 19:31:12 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:31:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list info being sent as an attachment... In-Reply-To: <003f01c47efd$7eb36c10$6600a8c0@libertatium> References: <003f01c47efd$7eb36c10$6600a8c0@libertatium> Message-ID: <1331B3B2-EAF3-11D8-99E6-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 10, 2004, at 1:14 PM, Ben Swihart wrote: > Hello, > > I've got mailman 2.1.3 running well, but there is one detail left: when > I send a post to the list, it's adding the following attachment: > > ______________________________________________ > MyList mailing list > MyList at mydomain.com > http://mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/MyList_mydomain.com > > > > Is it possible to prevent this attachement from going out? I think > this > has to do with the fact that I'm sending an HTML mail. See -Jeff From bswihart at minuswired.com Tue Aug 10 19:20:43 2004 From: bswihart at minuswired.com (Ben Swihart) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:20:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] oops - found the FAQ Message-ID: <004001c47efe$70da8aa0$6600a8c0@libertatium> I found the FAQ on why the footer is being sent as an attachment when I send HTML mails... Looking into removing the footer now. Sorry! - Ben From j_jelev at yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 19:50:41 2004 From: j_jelev at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Iavor=20Jelev?=) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:50:41 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem. Please help! Message-ID: <20040810175041.21997.qmail@web50902.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I am really desperate. I have installed mailman on SuSE 9.1 with postfix and I can create new mailing lists with the web-interface. Then I can see on the "listinfo"-page the list I created, but I don't get the "Mailing list created confirm mail". when I try to subscribe a mailing list I don't get ?the subscription confirm either. I thought it was because of postfix, but I tried sendmail and exim and it still didn't work. Besides I have a installed gforge, and when I create an account there I get a confirm mail. So what do I do wrong? My machine isn't connected directly to the internet, but I still should get the confirm e-mail at my_username at localhost, right? Anyone suggestions? Thanx! ___________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 100MB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de From rechlin at ca.stilo.com Wed Aug 11 00:48:53 2004 From: rechlin at ca.stilo.com (Robert Echlin) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:48:53 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> Message-ID: <006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Echlin" To: Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 3:31 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem > Hi, > I have a problem discarding pending messages for the admin. > > One of our mail lists has accumulated over 10,000 (ten thousand) spam > messages. > The web page to show pending messages, after several minutes, maybe an hour, > still seems to be churning away, so fix methods based on looking at the web > page won't work. ... snipped the verbose stuff the FAQs say to include when posting > What I think I want to do: > DELETE the (appropriate, offending) file!!! > > Actually, shut down /etc/init.d/mailman, and apache. > I should shut down sendmail, too, I expect. > Delete the file (request.pck???). > touch the filename. > chmod to match what it was. > restart stopped daemons. > > Will this work? > Any better ideas? No suggestions in over 24 hours. Should I be asking this on a different list, like maybe the dev list? Robert From tech at khouse.org Wed Aug 11 00:53:40 2004 From: tech at khouse.org (Russell Mann) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:53:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 - Customize Look and Feel Message-ID: <20040810225355.1960C1E4002@bag.python.org> Hello, I have recently installed Mailman 2.1.5 on Fedora Core 1 in concert with a Qmail and Vpopmail installation, using some instructions to make a unique install for each virtual domain under /home/mailman/. Everything is working fine, but I want to customize the look and feel to match my existing site. In the admin, I can click on: "Edit the public HTML pages" And get these pages to edit: General list information page Subscribe results page User specific options page The problem is there are several pages which still are visible to the end user which are not apparently editable. The ones I'm currently aware of are: Confirm Subscription Page: http://lists.khouse.org/mailman/confirm/khouse_enews/f6b6e63b0efb95ebfc90b0c 7021cd22cc6439e77 Subscription Confirmed: http://lists.khouse.org/mailman/confirm/khouse_enews Options page, before password entered: http://lists.khouse.org/mailman/options/khouse_enews How can I change the look and feel on these pages, or globally? Is there any way to add a site-wide header/footer? Any way to remove the trailer which has an undesirable link to the admin on it? Any help would be appreciated. I've Googled and searched the mailing list for the last week, and havn't been able to find the answer. Thanks, Russell Mann From gunk at valholler.com Wed Aug 11 00:47:13 2004 From: gunk at valholler.com (Gunk) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:47:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Making list regionally specific? Message-ID: <38C81B30-EB1F-11D8-A4AC-0003935A5C9A@valholler.com> Is it possible to add a section to my global mailing list where subscribers can put in their city/state/country, so I can mail out regional specific emails? Thanks, Chris From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Aug 11 01:04:07 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:04:07 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem In-Reply-To: <006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy> References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy> Message-ID: At 6:48 PM -0400 2004-08-10, Robert Echlin wrote: > No suggestions in over 24 hours. Problem is, it can take a while to get a response from someone who knows what they're doing in this kind of situation. While Mailman is used at a large number of sites, and some of those are pretty big, not all those experienced Mailman admins are on this list, and those that are may not monitor it on a regular basis. > Should I be asking this on a different list, like maybe the dev list? That might be useful, or you might end up waiting a few days for a useful response from someone, no matter what. I'd say that you could give it a try if you like, but don't be too surprised if it takes a while to get an answer. I hadn't responded until now because you had obviously done your homework, and I didn't think I had anything more that I could say. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From eschmitz at webbalah.net Wed Aug 11 01:22:06 2004 From: eschmitz at webbalah.net (Eric Schmitz) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:22:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem In-Reply-To: <006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy> References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy> Message-ID: <4119589E.4040109@webbalah.net> Robert, This is probably a really dirty way to go about it, but I've done this before and it worked, and without hosing the system. This worked with version 2.1.2. I haven't tried it with 2.1.5, because there's a "discard all marked defer" option, and I haven't let the queue stack up. But I've killed over 4000 held messages at a shot by doing this with 2.1.2. Go to the mailman/data directory, and delete all heldmsg-yourlistname-*.pck files. Then go to your admindb page. You'll probably still see the listing of all the thousands of held messages. Click "submit all data", and they should disappear. *Use at your own risk*! This feels like something of a hack to me, but you seem a little desperate. ;-) -Eric Schmitz Robert Echlin wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Echlin" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 3:31 PM > Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem > > > >>Hi, >>I have a problem discarding pending messages for the admin. >> >>One of our mail lists has accumulated over 10,000 (ten thousand) spam >>messages. >>The web page to show pending messages, after several minutes, maybe an > > hour, > >>still seems to be churning away, so fix methods based on looking at the > > web > >>page won't work. > > > ... snipped the verbose stuff the FAQs say to include when posting > > >>What I think I want to do: >>DELETE the (appropriate, offending) file!!! >> >>Actually, shut down /etc/init.d/mailman, and apache. >>I should shut down sendmail, too, I expect. >>Delete the file (request.pck???). >>touch the filename. >>chmod to match what it was. >>restart stopped daemons. >> >>Will this work? >>Any better ideas? > > > No suggestions in over 24 hours. > Should I be asking this on a different list, like maybe the dev list? > > Robert > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- "We need more than just a victory. We need to win in such a way that everything changes, that we're not threatened again. Because I don't want to go through this one more time, or have others go through it after us." --Starhawk, The Fifth Sacred Thing )0( =. From relson at osagesoftware.com Wed Aug 11 01:38:23 2004 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:38:23 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem In-Reply-To: <4119589E.4040109@webbalah.net> References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <4119589E.4040109@webbalah.net> Message-ID: <20040810193823.1bb3075f@osage.osagesoftware.com> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:22:06 -0500 Eric Schmitz wrote: > Robert, > > This is probably a really dirty way to go about it, but I've done > this before and it worked, and without hosing the system. This worked > with version 2.1.2. I haven't tried it with 2.1.5, because there's a > "discard all marked defer" option, and I haven't let the queue stack > up. But I've killed over 4000 held messages at a shot by doing this > with 2.1.2. > > Go to the mailman/data directory, and delete all > heldmsg-yourlistname-*.pck files. Then go to your admindb page. You'll > > probably still see the listing of all the thousands of held messages. > Click "submit all data", and they should disappear. > > *Use at your own risk*! This feels like something of a hack to me, > > but you seem a little desperate. ;-) > > -Eric Schmitz With 2.1.5 there's a "Discard all messages marked Defer" checkbox. I use that, followed by the "Submit All Data" button. Seems that's all that's needed. David From patrick.king at ucpress.edu Wed Aug 11 01:51:08 2004 From: patrick.king at ucpress.edu (patrick king) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:51:08 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to hold missing subject line Message-ID: I need to use the administrator's GUI to construct a regular expression. The expression needs to hold posts which do not contain a subject line in the header. In other words, the Subject: line is entirely missing from the mail header. It is not that "Subject:" is present with data missing after it. Any ideas? I have spend a day trying everything I can think of doing. I have searched the procmailex man pages, the user & list manager documentation, FAQ pages, and the message archives for this list (regexp). I use Mailman 2.0.13 with Pipermail 0.05 (Mailman edition) From sangprabv at spymac.com Wed Aug 11 06:31:57 2004 From: sangprabv at spymac.com (Willy Mularto) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:31:57 +0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] introducion and asking newsletter features Message-ID: <006e01c47f5c$25899970$1c00a8c0@claudia> Hi guys, Im willy from indonesia. and im new to this mailman software. my company would like to add a service for our clients, it's about newsletter. does mailman support this features? as i know mailman is servising mailing list not a newsletter, correct me if im wrong :) and if it support the newsletter, anybody has tips, how to setup or something? coz i haven't read the manual (i just use it by 1 hours ago) regards willy From pbgfx at mac.com Wed Aug 11 07:41:26 2004 From: pbgfx at mac.com (PeteBell) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 06:41:26 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 - Customize Look and Feel In-Reply-To: <20040810225355.1960C1E4002@bag.python.org> References: <20040810225355.1960C1E4002@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <162C3310-EB59-11D8-863C-0003933EA39A@mac.com> On 10 Aug 2004, at 23:53, Russell Mann wrote: > Everything is working fine, but I want to customize the look and feel > to > match my existing site. ...And further to this, (which might help solve Russell's problem), is it possible to get Mailman returned pages (like the roster, archives, members list, subscription results, options, password log in, etc, etc, etc) to appear inside an existing layer of your own webpage? (Thus having them appearing as if part of your site and using your CSS rules, perhaps) Pete Bell, UK From zzizzle at zzizzle.com Wed Aug 11 11:58:42 2004 From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com (zzizzle at zzizzle.com) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:58:42 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Security In-Reply-To: <20040811054132.930EE1E4008@bag.python.org> References: <20040811054132.930EE1E4008@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <06EE8487-EB7D-11D8-8146-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> Is anyone aware of the safety/vulnerability of these lists? Are these appropriate to use for kids? Thanks, Jonathan From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Aug 11 12:31:51 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:31:51 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] introducion and asking newsletter features In-Reply-To: <006e01c47f5c$25899970$1c00a8c0@claudia> References: <006e01c47f5c$25899970$1c00a8c0@claudia> Message-ID: At 11:31 AM +0700 2004-08-11, Willy Mularto wrote: > my company would like to add a service for our clients, it's about > newsletter. does mailman support this features? as i know mailman is > servising mailing list not a newsletter, correct me if im wrong :) Please see the Mailman FAQ Wizard at . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Aug 11 12:35:37 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:35:37 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 - Customize Look and Feel In-Reply-To: <162C3310-EB59-11D8-863C-0003933EA39A@mac.com> References: <20040810225355.1960C1E4002@bag.python.org> <162C3310-EB59-11D8-863C-0003933EA39A@mac.com> Message-ID: At 6:41 AM +0100 2004-08-11, PeteBell wrote: > ...And further to this, (which might help solve Russell's problem), is > it possible to get Mailman returned pages (like the roster, archives, > members list, subscription results, options, password log in, etc, etc, > etc) to appear inside an existing layer of your own webpage? Nope. Well, not without customizing the Python source code. Sorry, guy. This kind of thing gets back to the same sorts of issues regarding complete and total customization such as discussed in and . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Aug 11 12:34:37 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:34:37 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 - Customize Look and Feel In-Reply-To: <20040810225355.1960C1E4002@bag.python.org> References: <20040810225355.1960C1E4002@bag.python.org> Message-ID: At 3:53 PM -0700 2004-08-10, Russell Mann wrote: > The problem is there are several pages which still are visible to the end > user which are not apparently editable. Yup. Some pages are generated internally by the Python code. > How can I change the look and feel on these pages, or globally? Change the Python code. > Is there > any way to add a site-wide header/footer? Nope. > Any way to remove the trailer > which has an undesirable link to the admin on it? Nope. Sorry, guy. This kind of thing gets back to the same sorts of issues regarding complete and total customization such as discussed in and . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From iane at sussex.ac.uk Wed Aug 11 13:09:24 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:09:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Security In-Reply-To: <06EE8487-EB7D-11D8-8146-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> References: <20040811054132.930EE1E4008@bag.python.org> <06EE8487-EB7D-11D8-8146-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> Message-ID: --On Wednesday, August 11, 2004 2:58 am -0700 zzizzle at zzizzle.com wrote: > Is anyone aware of the safety/vulnerability of these lists? Which lists? > Are these > appropriate to use for kids? That'll depend on who subscribes to the list. The list administrator can control access to the lists. > Thanks, Jonathan > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Aug 11 13:12:15 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:12:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 - Customize Look and Feel In-Reply-To: <20040810225355.1960C1E4002@bag.python.org> References: <20040810225355.1960C1E4002@bag.python.org> Message-ID: At 3:53 PM -0700 2004-08-10, Russell Mann wrote: > Any help would be appreciated. I've Googled and searched the mailing list > for the last week, and havn't been able to find the answer. I've updated the FAQ on this subject. See . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jwt at OnJapan.net Wed Aug 11 13:22:54 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:22:54 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] perplexed by gate_news errors In-Reply-To: <6BDD3B0EA944194FB3B26EAE5A7AE5A2355B9D@gwiredc1.guidewire.com> References: <6BDD3B0EA944194FB3B26EAE5A7AE5A2355B9D@gwiredc1.guidewire.com> Message-ID: <20040811112254.GA28733@server.onjapan.net> On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 04:47:29PM -0700, Gary Merrick wrote: > My gate_news cron job is spewing out these errors: > > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/nntplib.py", line 564, in quit > resp = self.shortcmd('QUIT') If you telnet to port 119 of your news server and give it the 'quit' command do you get a 2xx response code? (I'm suspicious that your news server is just disconnecting rather than replying to the QUIT. If that is the case, you might make a local copy of nntplib that caught the exception in that case.) -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Aug 11 13:23:48 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:23:48 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Security In-Reply-To: <06EE8487-EB7D-11D8-8146-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> References: <20040811054132.930EE1E4008@bag.python.org> <06EE8487-EB7D-11D8-8146-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> Message-ID: At 2:58 AM -0700 2004-08-11, zzizzle at zzizzle.com wrote: > Is anyone aware of the safety/vulnerability of these lists? Are > these appropriate to use for kids? It depends on how much security you want/need. Even if you run a closed list, anyone can spoof the sender address of a subscribed user, and get their messages through. There is no way of adding cryptographic authentication features that could help ensure that only the real subscribed users can post to the list. Likewise, there are limited facilities for hiding the identity of posters, especially from each other. Unless you want to moderate each and every post, there are limited facilities at your disposal to prevent "inappropriate" content from being posted. Unless you go out of your way to SSL-secure the entire Mailman portion of the website, anyone can sniff the passwords going across the network, since they are sent in cleartext. In short, the security available to you is about the same as keeping a spare key under the mat in front of your door. Anyone who knows to look there can get into your house in a heartbeat. Anyone else would have to pick the lock or find some other way in, such as an unlocked or open window, or a sliding glass door. Most of the locks that people have on their doors are easily picked in a few seconds by a person with the right tools and knowledge. Same with all the other methods of entry. Just how much security do you think you want/need? -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From pbgfx at mac.com Wed Aug 11 13:34:54 2004 From: pbgfx at mac.com (PeteBell) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:34:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 - Customize Look and Feel In-Reply-To: References: <20040810225355.1960C1E4002@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <775E8EB9-EB8A-11D8-9008-0003933EA39A@mac.com> On 11 Aug 2004, at 12:12, Brad Knowles wrote: > I've updated the FAQ on this subject. See > req=show&file=faq03.040.htp>. > I read the replies with interest. As I do NOT have any access to the config files for the copy of Mailman which I use (because Mailman is a single copy shared across all the domains on the server where I have my site hosted), I wondered about getting my own copy and installing it so that I could make changes. However, I am a simple Apple Mac user (used to having everything easy and intuitive). Just looking at all the thousand or so separate files in the download filled me with trepidation. I would have to understand "python" code before I could do anything, would I? (Up untila few minutes ago, I had never even heard of it)! Looks like customising Mailman to look like it's part of your own site is beyond most people? Yes? Cheers PeteBell, UK From jwt at OnJapan.net Wed Aug 11 13:37:01 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:37:01 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] danish language support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040811113701.GB28733@server.onjapan.net> On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 10:22:10AM -0400, Sean wrote: > Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 > > We're sorry, we hit a bug! [...] > Traceback (most recent call last): [...] > File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py", line 813, in loginpage > table.AddRow([_("""In order to change your membership option, you must > File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 89, in _ > return tns % dict > ValueError: unsupported format character 'p' (0x70) at index 105 It looks like there is an 's' missing in the Danish mailman.po file: --- messages/da/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po-2.1.5 2004-04-26 20:28:31.000000000 +0900 +++ messages/da/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po 2004-08-11 20:32:09.272410368 +0900 @@ -2491,7 +2491,7 @@ " " msgstr "" "For at ændre dine personlige indstillinger, skal du logge ind nedenfor " -"ved at indtaste dit %(extra)password.\n" +"ved at indtaste dit %(extra)spassword.\n" "Hvis du ikke kan huske dit password, kan du bede om at få det tilsendt " "i en e-mail ved at klikke på knappen nedenfor.\n" "Hvis du kun ønsker at framelde dig fra listen, klik da p? Meld mig " -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Aug 11 13:51:15 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:51:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] danish language support In-Reply-To: <20040811113701.GB28733@server.onjapan.net> References: <20040811113701.GB28733@server.onjapan.net> Message-ID: At 8:37 PM +0900 2004-08-11, Jim Tittsler wrote: > It looks like there is an 's' missing in the Danish mailman.po > file: According to the Internationalization page at , the Danish language champion for Mailman is Soren Bondrup . Please contact Soren with this information, and he should be able to have the appropriate correction made in the CVS tree. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Aug 11 13:56:23 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:56:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 - Customize Look and Feel In-Reply-To: <775E8EB9-EB8A-11D8-9008-0003933EA39A@mac.com> References: <20040810225355.1960C1E4002@bag.python.org> <775E8EB9-EB8A-11D8-9008-0003933EA39A@mac.com> Message-ID: At 12:34 PM +0100 2004-08-11, PeteBell wrote: > I read the replies with interest. As I do NOT have any access to the > config files for the copy of Mailman which I use (because Mailman is a > single copy shared across all the domains on the server where I have my > site hosted), That's a typical method of installing Mailman. > I wondered about getting my own copy and installing it so > that I could make changes. However, I am a simple Apple Mac user (used > to having everything easy and intuitive). Note that Apple provides their own customized version of Mailman with MacOS X 10.3 Server, and that a number of people have created pages with extensive information on how they have installed Mailman on MacOS X "Jaguar" and "Panther" (non-Server). See for more information. > I would have to understand "python" code before I could do anything, > would I? (Up untila few minutes ago, I had never even heard of it)! If you wanted to do extensive customization of the "look and feel" of Mailman, yes. > Looks like customising Mailman to look like it's part of your own > site is beyond most people? Yes? Most people don't even bother to edit the public HTML templates through the existing facilities provided by Mailman. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From iane at sussex.ac.uk Wed Aug 11 16:28:44 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:28:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Security In-Reply-To: References: <20040811054132.930EE1E4008@bag.python.org> <06EE8487-EB7D-11D8-8146-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> Message-ID: --On Wednesday, August 11, 2004 1:23 pm +0200 Brad Knowles wrote: > At 2:58 AM -0700 2004-08-11, zzizzle at zzizzle.com wrote: > >> Is anyone aware of the safety/vulnerability of these lists? Are >> these appropriate to use for kids? > > It depends on how much security you want/need. Even if you run a closed > list, anyone can spoof the sender address of a subscribed user, and get > their messages through. There is no way of adding cryptographic > authentication features that could help ensure that only the real > subscribed users can post to the list. Actually, that's not entirely true. You could set up a mail domain, and a mail server, and insist that all posts to your lists come from that server. Then you'd need to set up authenticated SMTP on the server, and require that posts were authenticated. I guess you'd still need to ensure the kids used good passwords and didn't share them. Then you could even tie down the incoming mail to certain IP addresses. That might be suitable for a school environment. It might even be suitable if you think all your subscribers have broadband with fixed IP addresses at home. -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Aug 11 16:45:05 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:45:05 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Security In-Reply-To: References: <20040811054132.930EE1E4008@bag.python.org> <06EE8487-EB7D-11D8-8146-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> Message-ID: At 3:28 PM +0100 2004-08-11, Ian A B Eiloart wrote: > I guess you'd still need to ensure the kids used good passwords and > didn't share them. Then there's the spyware issue. I mentioned this privately in e-mail to Johnathan, but I'll also copy the relevant paragraphs here: Recent reports are that the average PC has something like 30 pieces of spyware on it. Each piece of spyware can do things like sniff every packet coming into or going out of the system, everything typed at the keyboard, everything cut-n-pasted through the clipboard, etc.... So, unless you're a computer security expert and you are fastidious about keeping your computer 100% totally squeeky clean, odds are that there are multiple groups of spyware authors/crackers/"skr1pt k1dd13s" out there that have a copy of every single password you've ever used -- including the passwords you've used to encrypt private documents or communications. Which means they probably have full access to your online bank account, every private web site you've ever visited, etc.... This also means that they can probably impersonate you using supposedly secure cryptographic means (if they can sniff your password, they can also steal your private key files), and electronically sign your name to documents which legally bind you to whatever contracts they care to sign. Since it's your electronic signature using your private password and your private cryptographic key, you're not going to be able to do a whole lot to convince a court that it wasn't you who really signed that document. As I said, it depends on what you call "secure". -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From rechlin at ca.stilo.com Wed Aug 11 17:01:08 2004 From: rechlin at ca.stilo.com (Robert Echlin) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:01:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy><006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy><4119589E.4040109@webbalah.net> <20040810193823.1bb3075f@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: <001c01c47fb4$086bf470$ef02430a@dustpuppy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Relson" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:22:06 -0500 > Eric Schmitz wrote: > > > Go to the mailman/data directory, and delete all > > heldmsg-yourlistname-*.pck files. Then go to your admindb page. You'll > > > > probably still see the listing of all the thousands of held messages. > > Click "submit all data", and they should disappear. > > > > *Use at your own risk*! This feels like something of a hack to me, > > > > but you seem a little desperate. ;-) > > > > -Eric Schmitz > > With 2.1.5 there's a "Discard all messages marked Defer" checkbox. I use > that, followed by the "Submit All Data" button. Seems that's all that's > needed. Thanks, David, Eric, and Brad. My problem is that this page *never* appears. It doesn't seem to time out either, at over 20 minutes. The Python process keeps getting bigger until it is using about 200M of RAM, then it fluctuates by 5 or 10M. And while it is running you can't open another window on any admin activity on that list. And some people thought I was overspecifiying by getting 1GB or RAM in that server! I'm going to start it up again, and see if it finishes after 2 or three hours, or times out. By the way, this is not a big list, it has 8 subscribers, and a few real messages a month. The problem with this list is that we have about 2000 pages of documentation on our web site, each with a link to this list. In some of the spam storms in the last few months the number of messages from non-subscribers got a bit out of control, so we turned off allowing messages from non-subscribers. The next version of the docs will have a link to a form. Robert > David > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From rechlin at ca.stilo.com Wed Aug 11 17:50:06 2004 From: rechlin at ca.stilo.com (Robert Echlin) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:50:06 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy><006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy><4119589E.4040109@webbalah.net><20040810193823.1bb3075f@osage.osagesoftware.com> <001c01c47fb4$086bf470$ef02430a@dustpuppy> Message-ID: <005101c47fba$dfb40ca0$ef02430a@dustpuppy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Echlin" To: "David Relson" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Relson" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem > > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:22:06 -0500 > > Eric Schmitz wrote: > > > > > Go to the mailman/data directory, and delete all > > > heldmsg-yourlistname-*.pck files. Then go to your admindb page. You'll > > > > > > probably still see the listing of all the thousands of held messages. > > > Click "submit all data", and they should disappear. > > > > > > *Use at your own risk*! This feels like something of a hack to me, > > > > > > but you seem a little desperate. ;-) > > > > > > -Eric Schmitz > > > > With 2.1.5 there's a "Discard all messages marked Defer" checkbox. I use > > that, followed by the "Submit All Data" button. Seems that's all that's > > needed. > > Thanks, David, Eric, and Brad. > > My problem is that this page *never* appears. It doesn't seem to time out > either, at over 20 minutes. The Python process keeps getting bigger until it > is using about 200M of RAM, then it fluctuates by 5 or 10M. And while it is > running you can't open another window on any admin activity on that list. > And some people thought I was overspecifiying by getting 1GB or RAM in that > server! > > I'm going to start it up again, and see if it finishes after 2 or three > hours, or times out. The page timed after about 15 minutes, and the python process disappeared. So I deleted the mailman/data/heldmsg-yourlistname-*.pck files - and I had to delete them in stages, as the infamous "Argument list too long" message bit me. And now I tried again and it timed out again after another 15 minutes. What next? Robert From eschmitz at webbalah.net Wed Aug 11 18:10:23 2004 From: eschmitz at webbalah.net (Eric Schmitz) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:10:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem In-Reply-To: <005101c47fba$dfb40ca0$ef02430a@dustpuppy> References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy><006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy><4119589E.4040109@webbalah.net><20040810193823.1bb3075f@osage.osagesoftware.com> <001c01c47fb4$086bf470$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <005101c47fba$dfb40ca0$ef02430a@dustpuppy> Message-ID: <411A44EF.9070407@webbalah.net> Robert Echlin wrote: > The page timed after about 15 minutes, and the python process disappeared. > > So I deleted the mailman/data/heldmsg-yourlistname-*.pck files - and I had > to delete them in stages, as the infamous "Argument list too long" message > bit me. > > And now I tried again and it timed out again after another 15 minutes. > > What next? Beats me. Sounds like the problem is elsewhere, although I still would bet that having those 20,000 files out of the way will help with that page loading once you do find the actual problem. But I don't know the "guts" of Mailman, so no idea what to suggest next. Sorry! I'll be very interested to know if someone comes up with a fix. -Eric Schmitz From relson at osagesoftware.com Wed Aug 11 18:10:19 2004 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:10:19 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem In-Reply-To: <005101c47fba$dfb40ca0$ef02430a@dustpuppy> References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <4119589E.4040109@webbalah.net> <20040810193823.1bb3075f@osage.osagesoftware.com> <001c01c47fb4$086bf470$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <005101c47fba$dfb40ca0$ef02430a@dustpuppy> Message-ID: <20040811121019.33757aea@osage.osagesoftware.com> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:50:06 -0400 Robert Echlin wrote: ...[snip]... > The page timed after about 15 minutes, and the python process > disappeared. > > So I deleted the mailman/data/heldmsg-yourlistname-*.pck files - and I > had to delete them in stages, as the infamous "Argument list too > long" message bit me. > > And now I tried again and it timed out again after another 15 minutes. > > What next? > > Robert Hi Robert, We're way beyond my knowledge of mailman at this point ! However, I've got some alternate ideas from browser usage and web site development. Note: liberally apply grains of salt to these ideas - they're untested. The 15 minute timeout is likely your browser deciding the web server is b0rked. Very possibly the web server just has too much to do. The browser is running one of mailman's python scripts so it can display the generated html. Idea 1: Separate the time to run the script from browser display, i.e. manually run the python script with appropriate arguments and save the output to a file. Put the file on your web server and use the browser to display it. Click on the appropriate buttons and you're done. Idea 2: Find the html source code for the "pending requests" page and locate the "discard all deferred items" checkbox. Determine which script gets run and the appropriate arguments. Then run the script from the command line. Good luck. David From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Aug 11 18:37:12 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:37:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem In-Reply-To: <005101c47fba$dfb40ca0$ef02430a@dustpuppy> References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy><006a01c47f2c$361c2800$e f02430a@dustpuppy><4119589E.4040109@webbalah.net><20040810193823.1 bb3075f@osage.osagesoftware.com> <001c01c47fb4$086bf470$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <005101c47fba$dfb40ca0$ef02430a@dustpuppy> Message-ID: At 11:50 AM -0400 2004-08-11, Robert Echlin wrote: > So I deleted the mailman/data/heldmsg-yourlistname-*.pck files - and I had > to delete them in stages, as the infamous "Argument list too long" message > bit me. In these kinds of cases, what you can usually do is something like this: # cd $MAILMAN_HOME/data # find . -name heldmsg-yourlistname\*.pck -print | xargs rm And that will do the job for you. Of course, the "#" prompt means to do this as the root user, and you want to make sure you include the backslash before the asterisk so that the shell doesn't try to interpret the wildcard, and instead passes that to find. Read the man page on xargs to see how it's used. > And now I tried again and it timed out again after another 15 minutes. > > What next? As for that, I wish I could be of assistance. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From patrick.king at ucpress.edu Wed Aug 11 18:44:20 2004 From: patrick.king at ucpress.edu (patrick king) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:44:20 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to hold missing subject line In-Reply-To: <20040811114444.GC28733@server.onjapan.net> References: <20040811114444.GC28733@server.onjapan.net> Message-ID: Thank you Jim, but... I started with those before realizing that these regular expressions assume that the subject line is included in the header but that the contents after the word "Subject:" are blank. The messages we are receiving have no subject line at all -- at least they are getting presented to the administrator that way -- so I cannot look for a line that contains "Subject:" It really needs to be the converse -- I need to be able to scan the entire header and hold messages that do not contain a subject line. I think I could do this with a script, but we don't have access to the shell so I need to use the tools available in the GUI. >On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 04:51:08PM -0700, patrick king wrote: >> I need to use the administrator's GUI to construct a regular >> expression. The expression needs to hold posts which do not contain >> a subject line in the header. In other words, the Subject: line is >> entirely missing from the mail header. It is not that "Subject:" is >> present with data missing after it. >> >> Any ideas? > >I no longer have an old 2.0.13 installation that I can play >with, but something like: > >subject:$ > >or > >subject:\s* > >should work. > >-- >Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 >Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ >Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From tech at khouse.org Wed Aug 11 18:45:33 2004 From: tech at khouse.org (Russell Mann) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:45:33 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 - Customize Look and Feel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040811164541.A76AA1E4002@bag.python.org> > Sorry, guy. This kind of thing gets back to the same > sorts of issues regarding complete and total customization > such as discussed in > > and > 037.htp>. > Here's what I did, for those of you who want a better response than "No." >From the templates/en/* directory, copy whichever files of these that are not already in: lists//en admlogin.html listinfo.html options.html subscribe.html You can edit these with your look and feel. Then in Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py, around line 551 find lines like this: class HTMLFormatter: def GetMailmanFooter(self): Between the "def" and return line you can modify however you'd like. I just deleted everything, plugged in my "footer" template like this: footer_results = _("""\ """) return footer_results Remember that in python % (percent sign) means something, so replace all your %'s with %%. For example, I have some "table width=100%" tags, which had to be changed to "table width=100%%" to work. I'm sure there are other variables, but one I wanted to change was the header color, so in Mailman/mm_cfg.py I added this: WEB_HEADER_COLOR = '#e3ddc8' I also edited Mailman/htmlformat.py, around line 768. I commented out the lines that added body tags, and put my own header in like this: header_results = _("""\
""") output.append('%s' % header_results) I'm not sure exactly what this affected, but it helped in my situation. -Russell Mann From rechlin at ca.stilo.com Wed Aug 11 19:38:52 2004 From: rechlin at ca.stilo.com (Robert Echlin) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:38:52 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy><006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy><4119589E.4040109@webbalah.net><20040810193823.1bb3075f@osage.osagesoftware.com><001c01c47fb4$086bf470$ef02430a@dustpuppy><005101c47fba$dfb40ca0$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <20040811121019.33757aea@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: <006a01c47fca$1192ef20$ef02430a@dustpuppy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Relson" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem > Hi Robert, > > We're way beyond my knowledge of mailman at this point ! However, I've > got some alternate ideas from browser usage and web site development. > Note: liberally apply grains of salt to these ideas - they're untested. > > The 15 minute timeout is likely your browser deciding the web server is > b0rked. Very possibly the web server just has too much to do. The > browser is running one of mailman's python scripts so it can display the > generated html. The python process (owned by Apache) that was taking 200M of RAM was also taking 95% to 99% of CPU time for 14.6 minutes, according to top, just before it stopped when the > > Idea 1: Separate the time to run the script from browser display, i.e. > manually run the python script with appropriate arguments and save the > output to a file. Put the file on your web server and use the browser > to display it. Click on the appropriate buttons and you're done. I may be able to use this one. - tried - failed - file is accessed as http://server/mailman/admindb/listname and the file is /var/mailman/admindb - try to run it as /var/mailman/admindb/listname and you get an error from bash that admindb is not a directory. Apache probably calls it directly, after first setting some stuff up in the environment variables so it knows what path it was called with. I could try that later I suppose. For my next try, I have set the timeout to 1500 seconds, instead of 300, in httpd.conf and restarted apache. Looking at top, I expect that I read it incorrectly (see above) when I thought it had run for 14.6 minutes, because it is hovering around 16% of memory, and the timeout in apache would have limited it to 300 seconds (4.5 minutes of CPU time at 90%). > Idea 2: Find the html source code for the "pending requests" page and > locate the "discard all deferred items" checkbox. Determine which > script gets run and the appropriate arguments. Then run the script from > the command line. #2 sounds useful, but it may not be. It almost certainly requires that you pass a lot of parameters to provide the identities of all the requests (some multiple of 11000 or so parameters) that need to be discarded. Remember that it says "discard all deferred items". So it has to know which items you have left marked as "deferred". Robert From Euler.Ribeiro at mma.gov.br Wed Aug 11 20:40:46 2004 From: Euler.Ribeiro at mma.gov.br (Euler Ricardo Rodrigues Ribeiro) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:40:46 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help me Please!!! Message-ID: <411A3DFB.21384.672304D@mma.gov.br> Hello. I want the problem that don?t find solution Help me please!!!! ___________________ ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post gerleca" (reason: 2) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "mailnull". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailman", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mailnull'. 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 From wrybread at gmail.com Wed Aug 11 20:45:49 2004 From: wrybread at gmail.com (alec bennet) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:45:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] anyone want to do a quick job fixing our mailman? Message-ID: We can't get our Mailman to work, we think everything's working except Qmail, which needs some touching up. It's Mailman 2.1 on Redhat 9. Anyone up for a quick paid gig? We can send over funds via paypal. Please email wrybread at gmailREMOVETHIS.com From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Aug 11 20:48:26 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:48:26 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help me Please!!! In-Reply-To: <411A3DFB.21384.672304D@mma.gov.br> References: <411A3DFB.21384.672304D@mma.gov.br> Message-ID: At 3:40 PM -0300 2004-08-11, Euler Ricardo Rodrigues Ribeiro wrote: > Hello. I want the problem that don?t find solution If you had bothered to search the Mailman FAQ Wizard for the terms "group mismatch", you would have found the single entry returned by . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From relson at osagesoftware.com Wed Aug 11 21:21:37 2004 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:21:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem In-Reply-To: <006a01c47fca$1192ef20$ef02430a@dustpuppy> References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <4119589E.4040109@webbalah.net> <20040810193823.1bb3075f@osage.osagesoftware.com> <001c01c47fb4$086bf470$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <005101c47fba$dfb40ca0$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <20040811121019.33757aea@osage.osagesoftware.com> <006a01c47fca$1192ef20$ef02430a@dustpuppy> Message-ID: <20040811152137.5862a19a@osage.osagesoftware.com> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:38:52 -0400 Robert Echlin wrote: ...[snip]... > #2 sounds useful, but it may not be. It almost certainly requires that > you pass a lot of parameters to provide the identities of all the > requests (some multiple of 11000 or so parameters) that need to be > discarded. Remember that it says "discard all deferred items". So it > has to know which items you have left marked as "deferred". Remember "deferred" is the default. I bet that selecting that checkbox justs adds a simple key/value pair like "all=yes" to the cgi request. The origin of the "discard all deferred items" (or whatever the wording is) can likely be found with: egrep -i -r -w "all.*defer" /usr/lib/mailman/ or something similar. From yorkb at nku.edu Wed Aug 11 20:11:51 2004 From: yorkb at nku.edu (Brian York) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:11:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using BCC Message-ID: <200408111411.51224.yorkb@nku.edu> I have people sending messages to lists using BCC field. They used BCC on the old server we had and it needs to work without holding the message. How can this be done? Thanks Brian From embrey at hood.edu Wed Aug 11 22:34:30 2004 From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:34:30 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsupported charset=GB2312 Message-ID: <6ab22155b845264393021ef28f8b1200@hermes.hood.edu> Mailman List: I recently had several messages come into my listserv (Mailman 2.1.5) that was using charset=gb2312. As a result they were not delivered but were place in my qfiles/shunt directory. The mailman log showed it wasn't delivered due to an unrecognized charset. From what I found out, development on this charset is inactive. Is it possible to allow these messages to pass through my listserv? Bruce Embrey Bruce Edward Embrey : Linux Systems Manager Campus Email Admin / NETREG : UNIX / Linux Administrator Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927 From wheakory at isu.edu Wed Aug 11 23:44:49 2004 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:44:49 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] KNOWN SPAMMERS OPTION Message-ID: <411A9351.70403@isu.edu> Question, I've modified the KNOWN_SPAMMERS option to discard any emails that contain the following text from these headers below. KNOWN_SPAMMERS = [ ('subject', r'.*e-mail.*'), ('from', r'.*software-for-education.*'), ] The first one works great (e-mail), but the second filter is not discarding the emails that are sent. Any suggestions what the problem might be. I've restarted mailman for the second filter to go in affect. -- Kory Wheatley Academic Computing Analyst Sr. Phone 282-3874 ######################################### Everything must point to him. From rtara at maine.rr.com Thu Aug 12 00:04:07 2004 From: rtara at maine.rr.com (rtara) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:04:07 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Basic sending message help needed Message-ID: Am I missing something? I set up a list - it sent subscribe messages (I think) People complained that they received many "nuisance" messages I tried to change the set-up I tried to send a message and nobody but I gets it. Help of the most basic kind is needed here. Help Robin Tara From yorkb at nku.edu Thu Aug 12 00:14:30 2004 From: yorkb at nku.edu (Brian York) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:14:30 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using BCC Message-ID: <200408111814.30288.yorkb@nku.edu> I have people sending messages to lists using BCC field. They used BCC on the old server we had and it needs to work without holding the message. How can this be done? Thanks Brian From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Aug 12 00:28:28 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:28:28 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using BCC In-Reply-To: <200408111411.51224.yorkb@nku.edu> References: <200408111411.51224.yorkb@nku.edu> Message-ID: At 2:11 PM -0400 2004-08-11, Brian York wrote: > I have people sending messages to lists using BCC field. They used BCC on the > old server we had and it needs to work without holding the message. How can > this be done? Had you bothered to search the Mailman FAQ Wizard for "bcc", you would have turned up the one entry at which discusses this issue. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Aug 12 00:32:40 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:32:40 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem In-Reply-To: <20040811152137.5862a19a@osage.osagesoftware.com> References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <4119589E.4040109@webbalah.net> <20040810193823.1bb3075f@osage.osagesoftware.com> <001c01c47fb4$086bf470$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <005101c47fba$dfb40ca0$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <20040811121019.33757aea@osage.osagesoftware.com> <006a01c47fca$1192ef20$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <20040811152137.5862a19a@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: At 3:21 PM -0400 2004-08-11, David Relson wrote: > Remember "deferred" is the default. I bet that selecting that checkbox > justs adds a simple key/value pair like "all=yes" to the cgi request. > The origin of the "discard all deferred items" (or whatever the wording > is) can likely be found with: > > egrep -i -r -w "all.*defer" /usr/lib/mailman/ Keep in mind that this will bomb out with 20,000 files in a given directory, just like all other uses of wildcards passed to the shell. You need to escape the wildcard and pass things through a "find ... | xargs" command line, as I demonstrated earlier. If you meant to quote the wildcard and protect it from evaluation by the shell, you need to use single quotes and not double quotes. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Aug 12 00:30:31 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:30:31 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsupported charset=GB2312 In-Reply-To: <6ab22155b845264393021ef28f8b1200@hermes.hood.edu> References: <6ab22155b845264393021ef28f8b1200@hermes.hood.edu> Message-ID: At 4:34 PM -0400 2004-08-11, Bruce Embrey wrote: > I recently had several messages come into my listserv (Mailman 2.1.5) > that was using charset=gb2312. As a result they were not delivered but > were place in my qfiles/shunt directory. The mailman log showed it > wasn't delivered due to an unrecognized charset. Every single message I've ever seen come through with this charset defined has been a spam. On the servers I run, where I have a choice, I block the reception of all messages with this charset. Mailman never sees them, and therefore this isn't a problem. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Aug 12 00:33:43 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:33:43 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Basic sending message help needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 6:04 PM -0400 2004-08-11, rtara wrote: > Help of the most basic kind is needed here. Have you gone over the troubleshooting tips at ? -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From tech at khouse.org Thu Aug 12 00:44:49 2004 From: tech at khouse.org (Russell Mann) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:44:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing to Multiple Lists Simultaneously Message-ID: <20040811224501.ABABC1E4002@bag.python.org> Hello, Thanks for the help on the template question. Next thing I want to do is allow the users to subscribe to multiple lists from one signup page. The reason is we don't want our customers to have to go through more hoops just to get our information! I see a couple questions on the list posted about this, but no one appears to have been replied to yet. If this isn't possible, please at least reply to let me know that! If there is a command-list email option, that would work, such as: Emaillistname-subscribe at host.com where the From info is parsed to effect the signup. It's easy to write a perl form to take an inputted email address and send to the subscribe address. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Russell Mann From relson at osagesoftware.com Thu Aug 12 00:47:29 2004 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:47:29 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem In-Reply-To: References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <4119589E.4040109@webbalah.net> <20040810193823.1bb3075f@osage.osagesoftware.com> <001c01c47fb4$086bf470$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <005101c47fba$dfb40ca0$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <20040811121019.33757aea@osage.osagesoftware.com> <006a01c47fca$1192ef20$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <20040811152137.5862a19a@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: <20040811184729.39d896a4@osage.osagesoftware.com> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:32:40 +0200 Brad Knowles wrote: > At 3:21 PM -0400 2004-08-11, David Relson wrote: > > > Remember "deferred" is the default. I bet that selecting that > > checkbox justs adds a simple key/value pair like "all=yes" to the > > cgi request. The origin of the "discard all deferred items" (or > > whatever the wording is) can likely be found with: > > > > egrep -i -r -w "all.*defer" /usr/lib/mailman/ > > Keep in mind that this will bomb out with 20,000 files in a > given > directory, just like all other uses of wildcards passed to the shell. > You need to escape the wildcard and pass things through a "find ... | > xargs" command line, as I demonstrated earlier. > > If you meant to quote the wildcard and protect it from > evaluation > by the shell, you need to use single quotes and not double quotes. Brad, In this case, you're mistaken. The double quotes work fine for this purpose (though the '-w' should be removed). The egrep command is intended for scanning mailman's source code with the goal of finding the relevant html (or html generator) in order to determine the cgi parameters for discarding deferred items. David From tech at khouse.org Thu Aug 12 01:03:13 2004 From: tech at khouse.org (Russell Mann) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:03:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cancel Subscription Request broken - 2.1.5 Message-ID: <20040811230324.29E5D1E4002@bag.python.org> Hello, On Mailman 2.1.5, with a few customizations, I have run into a situation where "Cancel Subscription Request" doesn't work. The files that appear to be affected, confirm.py, Pending.py don't have any customizations in them, so I'm finding it difficult to trace this error. ---------------- Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/khouse.org/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/home/mailman/khouse.org/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 114, in main subscription_cancel(mlist, doc, cookie) File "/home/mailman/khouse.org/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 312, in subscription_cancel userdesc = mlist.pend_confirm(cookie)[1] File "/home/mailman/khouse.org/Mailman/Pending.py", line 141, in pend_confirm assert self.Locked() AssertionError ------------------- I also receive the identical error on another Mailman 2.1.5 installation that is virgin with no modifications. Any suggestions or pointers on how to fix this would be greatly appreciated! -- Russell Mann From jwt at OnJapan.net Thu Aug 12 02:01:40 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:01:40 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cancel Subscription Request broken - 2.1.5 In-Reply-To: <20040811230324.29E5D1E4002@bag.python.org> References: <20040811230324.29E5D1E4002@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <20040812000140.GD2988@server.onjapan.net> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 04:03:13PM -0700, Russell Mann wrote: > On Mailman 2.1.5, with a few customizations, I have run into a situation > where "Cancel Subscription Request" doesn't work. The files that appear to [...] > ---------------- > Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 [...] > File "/home/mailman/khouse.org/Mailman/Pending.py", line 141, in > pend_confirm > assert self.Locked() > AssertionError > ------------------- Yes, this is a problem in 2.1.5. I suggested one way to fix it in this message: -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Aug 12 02:03:21 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:03:21 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem In-Reply-To: <20040811184729.39d896a4@osage.osagesoftware.com> References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <4119589E.4040109@webbalah.net> <20040810193823.1bb3075f@osage.osagesoftware.com> <001c01c47fb4$086bf470$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <005101c47fba$dfb40ca0$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <20040811121019.33757aea@osage.osagesoftware.com> <006a01c47fca$1192ef20$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <20040811152137.5862a19a@osage.osagesoftware.com> <20040811184729.39d896a4@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: At 6:47 PM -0400 2004-08-11, David Relson wrote: > In this case, you're mistaken. The double quotes work fine for this > purpose (though the '-w' should be removed). If it's in double quotes, the shell will still try to interpret the wildcard. If you want to protect it from that, you need to put it in single quotes, or put a backslash in front of the asterisk -- even though it's within the double quotes. The exact behaviour will differ depending on which shell you're using, but all shells I know of, from Bourne shell under BSD Unix 2.9 running on a PDP 11/70 in 1984 up through tcsh, bash, ksh, and other more advanced shells running on more modern machines, will all try to interpret what they think is a wildcard unless it is properly escaped -- either through quoting or application of preceding backslash characters. > The egrep command is intended for scanning mailman's source code with > the goal of finding the relevant html (or html generator) in order to > determine the cgi parameters for discarding deferred items. Then this needs to be done in a specific subdirectory tree which would include Python source code and not other general data files, such as $MAILMAN_HOME/Mailman or $MAILMAN_HOME/bin, because otherwise you still run into the possibility of trying to throw 20,000+ files at it. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From relson at osagesoftware.com Thu Aug 12 03:44:56 2004 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:44:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem In-Reply-To: References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <4119589E.4040109@webbalah.net> <20040810193823.1bb3075f@osage.osagesoftware.com> <001c01c47fb4$086bf470$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <005101c47fba$dfb40ca0$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <20040811121019.33757aea@osage.osagesoftware.com> <006a01c47fca$1192ef20$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <20040811152137.5862a19a@osage.osagesoftware.com> <20040811184729.39d896a4@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: <20040811214456.57424847@osage.osagesoftware.com> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:03:21 +0200 Brad Knowles wrote: > At 6:47 PM -0400 2004-08-11, David Relson wrote: > > > In this case, you're mistaken. The double quotes work fine for > > this purpose (though the '-w' should be removed). > > If it's in double quotes, the shell will still try to interpret > the wildcard. If you want to protect it from that, you need to put > it in single quotes, or put a backslash in front of the asterisk -- > even though it's within the double quotes. Hi Brad, OK, the quoting behavior is shell dependent. I use bash and it does what's needed. Here's some further examples/evidence: [relson at osage relson]$ ls sy.*k ls: sy.*k: No such file or directory ### 1. show files matching sy*k ### [relson at osage relson]$ ls sy*k sylpheed.log.bak sylpheedrc.bak ### 2. use same pattern in echo command with double quotes ### [relson at osage relson]$ echo "sy*k" sy*k --- shell displays pattern, not filenames --- > The exact behaviour will differ depending on which shell you're > using, but all shells I know of, from Bourne shell under BSD Unix 2.9 > running on a PDP 11/70 in 1984 up through tcsh, bash, ksh, and other > more advanced shells running on more modern machines, will all try to > interpret what they think is a wildcard unless it is properly escaped > -- either through quoting or application of preceding backslash > characters. > > > The egrep command is intended for scanning mailman's source code > > with the goal of finding the relevant html (or html generator) in > > order to determine the cgi parameters for discarding deferred > > items. > > Then this needs to be done in a specific subdirectory tree which > > would include Python source code and not other general data files, > such as $MAILMAN_HOME/Mailman or $MAILMAN_HOME/bin, because otherwise > you still run into the possibility of trying to throw 20,000+ files > at it. No! Recursive grep commands include a directory specification, hence don't need to be executed from a specific subdirectory. My "egrep -r ... /usr/lib/mailman" command searches mailman's source tree. Question: What shell are you using? Have you tried executing my command? Regards, David From hesco at greens.org Thu Aug 12 08:35:27 2004 From: hesco at greens.org (hesco at greens.org) Date: 12 Aug 2004 06:35:27 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Request help: MM 2.1.5 Install on BSD; setGID errors. Message-ID: <20040812063527.29620.qmail@greens.org> Hello folks: I'm coaching a friend on installing MM on a BSD server. I use and administer a Debian box myself here at the office. While I administer (in the sense of creating lists and assigning moderators) an installation of MM on someone else's Debian machine that I do not administer, I have never actually installed it myself. I know nothing of BSD, except that being in jail seems to keep me from exploring configuration files. My friend did add me to the wheel group which helped some. The config.log reports: ***** Installation directory /usr/local/mailman is not configured properly! ***** Set-gid bit must be set for directory: /usr/local/mailman bash-2.05$ pwd /usr/local/mailman bash-2.05$ ls -al total 4 drwxrwxr-x 2 root mailman 512 Aug 12 05:38 . drwxr-xr-x 21 root wheel 512 Aug 12 03:28 .. bash-2.05$ Although I see no indication of it here, we did run a chmod 4755 on this directory. Tried the chmod g+s . at a prompt as well. Still we get this error. Is there any way to get ls to show permissions as numbers, instead of in rwx format? What might folks suggest to get us moving again? All help is appreciated. -- Hugh From pbgfx at mac.com Thu Aug 12 08:40:43 2004 From: pbgfx at mac.com (PeteBell) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:40:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cgi form/email for unsubscribing In-Reply-To: <20040811164541.A76AA1E4002@bag.python.org> References: <20040811164541.A76AA1E4002@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <88FF2DDF-EC2A-11D8-BADD-0003933EA39A@mac.com> First let me say that I know nothing about python, cgi scripts, or any sort of code (as will probably become clear!) It seems to me that when a person subscribes to my list using the "subscribe" form, the file in Mailman which comes into play is "/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py" - Yes?... And I know it is possible to send an "unsubscribe" email to (for instance) "testlist-unsubscribe at somedomain.com" in order to unsubscribe and it has to take the form of "authentication= (password)" and then the unsubscribe request (please say if I'm wrong, as I can't remember where I read this - I know you can do it with a "delivery off" email)! So. Is it possible therefore to use the "subscribe.py" as a model to produce an "unsubscribe.py" script which can be called by a form in the same way, thus speeding up the unsubscribe process, which at the moment is done by a form taking you to a password authentication page and then to the options page, etc? Sorry if I'm showing my utter ignorance to all you learned types on here! ;-) If this IS possible, then is it possible to do this sort of thing for "delivery off", "delivery on" etc, etc, etc? (And then all I need to do, is find someone who knows how to write cgi scripts!) Cheers Pete, UK From stephen at xemacs.org Thu Aug 12 09:37:15 2004 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:37:15 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem In-Reply-To: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> (Robert Echlin's message of "Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:31:57 -0400") References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> Message-ID: <87wu04eris.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> >>>>> "Robert" == Robert Echlin writes: Robert> Stuff I looked at: Robert> - 2004 mailman list messages. Robert> - google for "discard mailman script" Robert> - mailman faq (search for discard) Robert> - docs on www.list.org Robert> - bin/discard.py seems to require some sort of a file as input, Robert> but there are no docs for it on http://www.list.org/site.html, Robert> where other command line programs seem to be documented. Robert> If it's like Skip's mmdiscard.py, http://manatee.mojam.com/~skip/python/ Robert> then it needs a file created by looking at the web interface. Robert> - David Wolfskill's dispose.py seems to require a file input like discard. Robert> - bulk-vette requires an include file called mailman, Robert> which doesn't seem to exist in my version (suggestions??) Didn't you find the standard solution? To wit: As user mailman (I think actually you just need write permissions in the relevant places, so group mailman Works For Me YMMV) execute: python -i bin/withlist listname Then type: >>> m.Lock() >>> from Mailman import mm_cfg >>> h = m.GetHeldMessageIds() >>> for i in h: m.HandleRequest(i,mm_cfg.DISCARD) ... >>> m.Save() >>> The triple punctuation are Python prompts; you don't type those, you wait for them to appear and then type. All the punctuation (including empty parens) must be typed as shown, capitalization must be exactly as shown. The stuff in are names of single keys (Enter and Control + d), not to be typed literally. On a Red Hat Linux system you probably will need to use python2, python2.2 or python2.3 instead of just python, because python corresponds to the Golden Oldie 1.5.2 version. Caveat: I haven't actually used this since we installed 2.1.5 (the previous version was 2.0.13), but a test (on a list with no held messages---it's the admin's playpen list, I'm not going to do this on a live list unless I know it's all spam) showed no syntax errors or anything like that, should still work. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From iane at sussex.ac.uk Thu Aug 12 10:35:17 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:35:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help me Please!!! In-Reply-To: <411A3DFB.21384.672304D@mma.gov.br> References: <411A3DFB.21384.672304D@mma.gov.br> Message-ID: <4EA51FE30A1B07D434960426@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> --On Wednesday, August 11, 2004 3:40 pm -0300 Euler Ricardo Rodrigues Ribeiro wrote: > Hello. I want the problem that don?t find solution > Help me please!!!! The solution is given in the error message that you sent us. This is the problem > the system's mail server executed the mail script as > group "mailnull". This is one solution (you need to reconfigure your mail server): > Try tweaking the mail server to run the > script as group "mailman", This is another solution (you need to reinstall mailman): > or re-run configure, > providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mailnull'. -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From iane at sussex.ac.uk Thu Aug 12 10:55:00 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:55:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Security In-Reply-To: References: <20040811054132.930EE1E4008@bag.python.org> <06EE8487-EB7D-11D8-8146-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> Message-ID: <4EF69CF2D992DAD448F01CFA@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> --On Wednesday, August 11, 2004 4:45 pm +0200 Brad Knowles wrote: > At 3:28 PM +0100 2004-08-11, Ian A B Eiloart wrote: > >> I guess you'd still need to ensure the kids used good passwords and >> didn't share them. > > Then there's the spyware issue. I mentioned this privately in e-mail to > Johnathan, but I'll also copy the relevant paragraphs here: > > > Recent reports are that the average PC has something like 30 pieces of > spyware on it. Each piece of spyware can do things like sniff every > packet coming into or going out of the system, everything typed at the > keyboard, everything cut-n-pasted through the clipboard, etc.... > . . . > > As I said, it depends on what you call "secure". Ah, fair point. I guess you could insist that the kids all have Macs, not windows PCs. But, if you are in a school campus environment, then you could just remove access to the internet. Anyway, if that level of security is a problem, then it applies to much much more than mailing lists. I think the question "is mailman secure enough to do X" should be taken to read "are there any additional security issues involved". I think the answer is "Yes", but mailman has the tools to address them. Is there a primer on Mailman security anywhere? -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Aug 12 10:40:30 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:40:30 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem In-Reply-To: <20040811214456.57424847@osage.osagesoftware.com> References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <4119589E.4040109@webbalah.net> <20040810193823.1bb3075f@osage.osagesoftware.com> <001c01c47fb4$086bf470$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <005101c47fba$dfb40ca0$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <20040811121019.33757aea@osage.osagesoftware.com> <006a01c47fca$1192ef20$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <20040811152137.5862a19a@osage.osagesoftware.com> <20040811184729.39d896a4@osage.osagesoftware.com> <20040811214456.57424847@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: At 9:44 PM -0400 2004-08-11, David Relson wrote: > No! Recursive grep commands include a directory specification, hence > don't need to be executed from a specific subdirectory. My "egrep -r > ... /usr/lib/mailman" command searches mailman's source tree. I have no idea what OS you're using and where the "source" code is placed relative to the data files, etc... on your system, but on Mailman default installations, /usr/local/mailman is the home directory for *everything* related to Mailman, including source/executable code, log files, data files, queue directories, etc.... If you run a recursive grep of the sort you recommend on the entire /usr/local/mailman directory hierarchy, you are likely to run into the 20,000 file problem previously mentioned. If you want to limit yourself to just the source code, you need to search /usr/local/mailman/Mailman, /usr/local/mailman/bin, etc... and make sure you don't include any of those log directories, queue directories, etc.... -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Aug 12 11:19:57 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:19:57 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Request help: MM 2.1.5 Install on BSD; setGID errors. In-Reply-To: <20040812063527.29620.qmail@greens.org> References: <20040812063527.29620.qmail@greens.org> Message-ID: At 6:35 AM +0000 2004-08-12, hesco at greens.org wrote: > The config.log reports: > ***** Installation directory /usr/local/mailman is not configured > properly! > ***** Set-gid bit must be set for directory: /usr/local/mailman You need to be more than in group wheel to fix this. You need to be root. > Although I see no indication of it here, we did run a chmod 4755 > on this directory. Tried the chmod g+s . at a prompt as well. Until you're root, you're not going to be able to fix this. > Still we get this error. Is there any way to get ls to show > permissions as numbers, instead of in rwx format? Check your man page for `ls`, but I didn't see anything on the FreeBSD systems I checked. > What might folks suggest to get us moving again? You need to get root access to the box, or at least your friend does, so that you can correct the permissions problem. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Aug 12 11:23:08 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:23:08 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cgi form/email for unsubscribing In-Reply-To: <88FF2DDF-EC2A-11D8-BADD-0003933EA39A@mac.com> References: <20040811164541.A76AA1E4002@bag.python.org> <88FF2DDF-EC2A-11D8-BADD-0003933EA39A@mac.com> Message-ID: At 7:40 AM +0100 2004-08-12, PeteBell wrote: > So. Is it possible therefore to use the "subscribe.py" as a model to > produce an "unsubscribe.py" script which can be called by a form in > the same way, thus speeding up the unsubscribe process, which at the > moment is done by a form taking you to a password authentication page > and then to the options page, etc? You need to be able to authenticate the unsubscription request. If you don't use the current method, what do you propose to do instead -- let anyone who wants to unsubscribe any address they like do so? > (And then all I need to do, is find someone who knows how to write > cgi scripts!) Mailman doesn't use CGI, at least not the way you think about it. You need to find someone who can hack/write Python scripts for you. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From rechlin at ca.stilo.com Thu Aug 12 15:04:27 2004 From: rechlin at ca.stilo.com (Robert Echlin) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:04:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy><006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy><4119589E.4040109@webbalah.net><20040810193823.1bb3075f@osage.osagesoftware.com><001c01c47fb4$086bf470$ef02430a@dustpuppy><005101c47fba$dfb40ca0$ef02430a@dustpuppy><20040811121019.33757aea@osage.osagesoftware.com> <006a01c47fca$1192ef20$ef02430a@dustpuppy> Message-ID: <000f01c4806c$e60d6f80$ef02430a@dustpuppy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Echlin" To: "David Relson" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem > For my next try, I have set the timeout to 1500 seconds, instead of 300, in > httpd.conf and restarted apache. Looking at top, I expect that I read it > incorrectly (see above) when I thought it had run for 14.6 minutes, because > it is hovering around 16% of memory, and the timeout in apache would have > limited it to 300 seconds (4.5 minutes of CPU time at 90%). Results: it timed out again. But the memory had kept fluctuating, so I figured it was still working when it died. So I upped the timeout again, restarted apache, and tried to load the page again... And it came up almost immediately!!! With only one (1) pending request!!! So it must have been deleting items from it's records when it found the heldmsg files were missing, and hadn't got back to the web browser before the time out. Anyway, the secret sequence for getting rid of 10914 or more messages in your pending requests queue seems to be: - delete mailman/data/heldmsg-yourlistname-*.pck - thanks Eric Schmitz - you may not be able to delete them all at once - I used rm -f heldmsg-listname-01*.pck rm -f heldmsg-listname-02*.pck etc up to 15* - there are other ways including using xargs - then you set your timeout real high in Apache and open the "tend to pending moderator requests" link in your web browser - and wait 25 minutes (1GHZ Celeron CPU under Linux 2.4 kernel). - and try again If I were doing this again, I would look at the size and dates of other files belonging to my list after each iteration of trying the link, as it must have a list of requests some place. $MAILMAN_HOME/lists//request.pck was over 5M when I started this process. Now it is 20 bytes. That's indicative of something. Also, I looked at its contents at one time and I think they included the subjects of the messages. But I don't know what would happen if I blew that file away, at the same time as blowing away the heldmsg files. That's a useful item to test some time. Thanks guys, Robert From rechlin at ca.stilo.com Thu Aug 12 15:36:15 2004 From: rechlin at ca.stilo.com (Robert Echlin) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:36:15 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <87wu04eris.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: <004c01c48071$58aeb180$ef02430a@dustpuppy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" To: "Robert Echlin" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem Thanks, Stephen That looks like an interesting solution. I'll make a note of it for next time. The docs describe how to start "withlist", but I think I would have to learn the internals of the Python code pretty thoroughly to be able to reproduce this from scratch. Is "m" a standard variable automagically defined by withlist to be the mail list mentioned on the python command line? Is mm_cfg.DISCARD a function that HandleRequest is expecting to call to do the real work, or a constant that tells HandleRequest which of several predefined tasks it should do? What's going on in the ...? And what will it prompt me with that I need to hit ? I also think this answers one of my previous questions - it would have been useful to ask the developers list. As you suggest, writing a one line loop of Python code would be the standard solution there. Is there any other place where this "standard" solution would be found? Robert > Didn't you find the standard solution? To wit: > > As user mailman (I think actually you just need write permissions > in the relevant places, so group mailman Works For Me YMMV) execute: > > python -i bin/withlist listname > > Then type: > > >>> m.Lock() > >>> from Mailman import mm_cfg > >>> h = m.GetHeldMessageIds() > >>> for i in h: m.HandleRequest(i,mm_cfg.DISCARD) > ... > >>> m.Save() > >>> > > The triple punctuation are Python prompts; you don't type those, you > wait for them to appear and then type. All the punctuation (including > empty parens) must be typed as shown, capitalization must be exactly > as shown. The stuff in are names of single keys > (Enter and Control + d), not to be typed literally. > > On a Red Hat Linux system you probably will need to use python2, > python2.2 or python2.3 instead of just python, because python > corresponds to the Golden Oldie 1.5.2 version. From lists at norrbring.biz Thu Aug 12 15:44:11 2004 From: lists at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:44:11 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Character problems.. Message-ID: <20040812134411.4AE393C03@mail.the-server.net> I've noticed a small problem... If I enter a "Welcome to the list message" in welcome_msg that includes international characters like our Swedish ? ? ? ? ? ? then the e-mail sent to list user contains encoded characters like ä and å Can this be prevented? Anders Norrbring From relson at osagesoftware.com Thu Aug 12 16:11:25 2004 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:11:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem In-Reply-To: References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <4119589E.4040109@webbalah.net> <20040810193823.1bb3075f@osage.osagesoftware.com> <001c01c47fb4$086bf470$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <005101c47fba$dfb40ca0$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <20040811121019.33757aea@osage.osagesoftware.com> <006a01c47fca$1192ef20$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <20040811152137.5862a19a@osage.osagesoftware.com> <20040811184729.39d896a4@osage.osagesoftware.com> <20040811214456.57424847@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: <20040812101125.29313192@osage.osagesoftware.com> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:40:30 +0200 Brad Knowles wrote: > At 9:44 PM -0400 2004-08-11, David Relson wrote: > > > No! Recursive grep commands include a directory specification, > > hence don't need to be executed from a specific subdirectory. My > > "egrep -r... /usr/lib/mailman" command searches mailman's source > > tree. > > I have no idea what OS you're using and where the "source" code > is placed relative to the data files, etc... on your system, but on > Mailman default installations, /usr/local/mailman is the home > directory for *everything* related to Mailman, including > source/executable code, log files, data files, queue directories, > etc.... > > If you run a recursive grep of the sort you recommend on the > entire /usr/local/mailman directory hierarchy, you are likely to run > into the 20,000 file problem previously mentioned. > > If you want to limit yourself to just the source code, you need > to search /usr/local/mailman/Mailman, /usr/local/mailman/bin, etc... > and make sure you don't include any of those log directories, queue > directories, etc.... Brad, I'm running mailman using the Mandrake 10.0 rpms. I apologize for not mentioning that fact. I assumed that the division of files between /usr/local/mailman and /var/lib/mailman was standard. Evidently I was mistaken. AFAICT, recursive grep isn't bothered by the number of files in a directory. As bogofilter's lead developer, I have a spam archive with large monthly directories. I frequently use recursive grep on that archive. As a test, I just ran it without incident for a directory with 37,619 files. Anyhow, details aside on grepping source code, I find mailman to be a useful and valuable tool. It's been running bogofilter's mailing lists for several months without problem. Thanks for the great work. David From hesco at greens.org Thu Aug 12 16:30:02 2004 From: hesco at greens.org (Hugh Esco) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:30:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Request help: MM 2.1.5 Install on BSD; setGID errors. In-Reply-To: References: <20040812063527.29620.qmail@greens.org> Message-ID: <20040812103002.3b0a7ba5.hesco@greens.org> My friend is root in his BSD jail. Will this be sufficient? -- Hugh Esco On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:19:57 +0200 Brad Knowles wrote: > At 6:35 AM +0000 2004-08-12, hesco at greens.org wrote: > > > The config.log reports: > > ***** Installation directory /usr/local/mailman is not configured > > properly! > > ***** Set-gid bit must be set for directory: /usr/local/mailman > > You need to be more than in group wheel to fix this. You need > to be root. > > > Although I see no indication of it here, we did run a chmod 4755 > > on this directory. Tried the chmod g+s . at a prompt as well. > > Until you're root, you're not going to be able to fix this. > > > Still we get this error. Is there any way to get ls to show > > permissions as numbers, instead of in rwx format? > > Check your man page for `ls`, but I didn't see anything on the > FreeBSD systems I checked. > > > What might folks suggest to get us moving again? > > You need to get root access to the box, or at least your friend > does, so that you can correct the permissions problem. > > -- > Brad Knowles, > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. > -- +--------------------------------------------- | Hugh Esco, 404-806-0480 | Political Coordinator, Georgia Green Party | Post Office Box 5332; Atlanta GA 31107 | http://www.greens.org/georgia/ +--------------------------------------------- From alexandro.colorado at expolinux.org Mon Aug 9 21:11:43 2004 From: alexandro.colorado at expolinux.org (Alexandro Colorado) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:11:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Manking an announcement list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I finally found my question on the faq and I got this response: "Features: Members join by filling in a form on your website (and replying to the confirmation email). They will be sent a welcome message that does not mention how to post to the list. They will receive your newsletters, with a footer that gives simple instructions for unsubscribing. Only authorized persons can post to the list (send the newsletters). (Note: For this FAQ we are discussing how to setup an announcement list for a band.)" I am sorry but is not very clear, I use mailman's web front end and I wonder where is the options to set it up properly. Then it says " They will be sent a welcome message that does not mention how to post to the list." Are they discribing a newsletter-list? or they are suggesting going security through obscurity? I think this is a very obscure and non-specific response. If anyone have set up a newsletter through mailman control panel, please respond. On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:59:33 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > Hi I have read through the documentation and I havent been able to > answer my problem. I want something to make so just the admin can post > and the other can just read, or an annoucement list. > -- Coordinador de XpoLinux http://www.expolinux.org 993.376.0011 From info at dancehall101.com Thu Aug 12 01:19:32 2004 From: info at dancehall101.com (info at dancehall101.com) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:19:32 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup Mailing List Message-ID: <05a501c47ff9$a9a65110$6401a8c0@reggae> Hi, I own a mailing list of 8400 members. How do I back up the list in a comma separated file? From hemi at puresimplicity.net Thu Aug 12 08:43:45 2004 From: hemi at puresimplicity.net (Josh Tolbert) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 01:43:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Request help: MM 2.1.5 Install on BSD; setGID errors. In-Reply-To: <20040812063527.29620.qmail@greens.org> References: <20040812063527.29620.qmail@greens.org> Message-ID: <20040812064345.GA51881@just.puresimplicity.net> On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 06:35:27AM -0000, hesco at greens.org wrote: > Hello folks: > > I'm coaching a friend on installing MM on a BSD server. > I use and administer a Debian box myself here at the office. > While I administer (in the sense of creating lists and > assigning moderators) an installation of MM on someone else's > Debian machine that I do not administer, I have never actually > installed it myself. I know nothing of BSD, except that being > in jail seems to keep me from exploring configuration files. > My friend did add me to the wheel group which helped some. > > The config.log reports: > ***** Installation directory /usr/local/mailman is not configured > properly! > ***** Set-gid bit must be set for directory: /usr/local/mailman > > bash-2.05$ pwd > /usr/local/mailman > bash-2.05$ ls -al > total 4 > drwxrwxr-x 2 root mailman 512 Aug 12 05:38 . > drwxr-xr-x 21 root wheel 512 Aug 12 03:28 .. > bash-2.05$ > > Although I see no indication of it here, we did run a chmod 4755 > on this directory. Tried the chmod g+s . at a prompt as well. > > Still we get this error. Is there any way to get ls to show > permissions as numbers, instead of in rwx format? > > What might folks suggest to get us moving again? > > All help is appreciated. > -- Hugh (01:40:39 ) $ uname -a; pwd; ls -la FreeBSD just.puresimplicity.net 4.9-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE-p4 #1: Wed May 26 11:52:58 CDT 2004 root at just.puresimplicity.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PURE i386 /usr/local/mailman total 40 drwxrwsr-x 20 mailman mailman 512 Jun 23 14:58 . drwxr-xr-x 17 root wheel 512 Feb 12 11:37 .. That's how the FreeBSD port sets things up by default and it's been working great for me. The pkg_install script sets %%USER%% and %%GROUP%% based on some command-line parameters, then does this: /usr/sbin/chown -R "%%USER%%:%%GROUP%%" "%%MAILMANDIR%%" || exit 1 /bin/chmod g+s "%%MAILMANDIR%%" || exit 1 I'm not running Mailman in a jail, so YMMV. Good luck, Josh -- Josh Tolbert hemi at puresimplicity.net || http://www.puresimplicity.net/~hemi/ If your sysadmin's not being fascist, you're paying him too much. --Sam Greenfield From maciej.homziuk at deutsche-versicherungsboerse.de Thu Aug 12 11:54:23 2004 From: maciej.homziuk at deutsche-versicherungsboerse.de (Maciej Homziuk) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:54:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying the mailman.po file Message-ID: <411B5A6F.28140.806EEB@localhost> Hi All, I wanted to modify the messages in the emails, that mailman sends as a response to users requests (sent at name-request). I modify the mailman.po file and then compile it to mailman.mo. Unfortunatelly it doesn't take any effect on the messages in those emails, although other changes (for example the navigation in list admin web interface) are accepted. I appreciate Your help. Maciej ----------------------------------------------- Maciej Homziuk deutsche-versicherungsboerse.de Mahlower Str. 23 12049 Berlin maciej.homziuk at deutsche-versicherungsboerse.de http://www.deutsche-versicherungsboerse.de Telefon: 030-78909042 Fax: 030-78909041 From tanner at macomb.com Sun Aug 8 23:04:46 2004 From: tanner at macomb.com (Tanner Woodford) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 17:04:46 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] question Message-ID: <94211FBC-E97E-11D8-8633-000393B2CBC2@macomb.com> Hello there, I am interested in using Mailman, but have a few quick questions. One, is it easily customizable? Meaning I can change the wording/backgrounds/etc after it's uploaded? (Maybe Open Source is the term I'm searching for.) Two, We already have a list set up, can I import about 6,000 contacts into the mailman software? Three, Since our list is so large, I was wondering if there is any way to control how many emails are sent out per hour..We're only allowed to send out 800. Is that possible? If these things are indeed impossible, Could someone please recommend software that would be helpful to me? I'm willing to pay for mailing list services. Thanks in advance, Tanner Woodford Tub Ring Webmaster www.tubring.com tanner at macomb.com From glb at brightstar.bomgardner.net Tue Aug 10 03:51:21 2004 From: glb at brightstar.bomgardner.net (Gene) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:51:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] TUCOWs ???? Message-ID: <200408100151.i7A1pLTQ000731@brightstar.bomgardner.net> I've just installed mailman. When trying to subscribe via web page, everything points to ddwww.tucows.com. I've added the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST entries in mm_cfg.py, yet the tucows problem persists. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks Gene From info at new-mexico-catalog.com Wed Aug 11 16:33:34 2004 From: info at new-mexico-catalog.com (New Mexico Catalog) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:33:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040811073011.02dc2ec8@mail.new-mexico-catalog.com> Several months ago, a prior employee installed mailman for us on a test basis. It now seems that some of our customers are getting unwanted emails and we need to change the settings. I have been unable to get our administrative password and to correct this problem. Help! David Taylor, Owner New Mexico Catalog new-mexico-catalog.com From angemez at bigpond.net.au Thu Aug 12 07:53:49 2004 From: angemez at bigpond.net.au (Angela Smith) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:53:49 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Basic question Message-ID: <001301c48030$bdde8940$0400a8c0@ANGELA> I cant' find an answer to a very basic question. I want to use your service for distributing Newsletters to a list. If I create a newsletter how do I send it to the list stored on your server. Do I create the newsletter on my computer in HTML or as text and then what? Sincerely, Angela Smith Marketing and Booking Manager Binacrombi Holidays 1800 620 706 www.binacrombi.com.au From tech at khouse.org Thu Aug 12 17:17:56 2004 From: tech at khouse.org (Russell Mann) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:17:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Manking an announcement list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040812151757.B234B1E4002@bag.python.org> > "Features: Members join by filling in a form on your website > (and replying to the confirmation email). They will be sent a > welcome message that does not mention how to post to the > list. They will receive your newsletters, with a footer that > gives simple instructions for unsubscribing. Only authorized > persons can post to the list (send the newsletters). (Note: > For this FAQ we are discussing how to setup an announcement > list for a band.)" > > I am sorry but is not very clear, I use mailman's web front > end and I wonder where is the options to set it up properly. > Then it says > > " They will be sent a welcome message that does not mention > how to post to the list." > > Are they discribing a newsletter-list? or they are suggesting > going security through obscurity? I think this is a very > obscure and non-specific response. If anyone have set up a > newsletter through mailman control panel, please respond. You will need to moderate all posts, and only approve the ones you want to send. For my announcement lists, I have one email address that I send them FROM, so in Privacy Options > Sender Filters I set it up this way: By default, should new list member postings be moderated? Yes Action to take when a moderated member posts to the list. Reject List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted. - none List of non-member addresses whose postings will be immediately held for moderation. - ADD THE ALLOWABLE POSTING ADDRESS HERE List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically rejected. - none List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically discarded. - none Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined. Reject Should messages from non-members, which are automatically discarded, be forwarded to the list moderator? Yes As far as modifying the message the end user is sent, you can't do that from the web based admin. I think that can be edited somewhere around line 167 in /Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py -- Russell Mann From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Aug 12 17:31:23 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:31:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] TUCOWs ???? In-Reply-To: <200408100151.i7A1pLTQ000731@brightstar.bomgardner.net> References: <200408100151.i7A1pLTQ000731@brightstar.bomgardner.net> Message-ID: At 8:51 PM -0500 2004-08-09, Gene wrote: > I've just installed mailman. When trying to subscribe via web page, > everything points to ddwww.tucows.com. I've added the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and > DEFAULT_URL_HOST entries in mm_cfg.py, yet the tucows problem persists. Did you stop and restart Mailman, via mailmanctl? -- -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Aug 12 17:31:23 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:31:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040811073011.02dc2ec8@mail.new-mexico-catalog.com> References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040811073011.02dc2ec8@mail.new-mexico-catalog.com> Message-ID: At 7:33 AM -0700 2004-08-11, New Mexico Catalog wrote: > I have been unable to get our administrative password and to correct > this problem. If you had bothered to follow the instructions at , you would have easily found the FAQ entry at which deals with this issue. -- -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Aug 12 17:31:23 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:31:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup Mailing List In-Reply-To: <05a501c47ff9$a9a65110$6401a8c0@reggae> References: <05a501c47ff9$a9a65110$6401a8c0@reggae> Message-ID: At 5:19 PM -0600 2004-08-11, wrote: > I own a mailing list of 8400 members. How do I back up the list in a > comma separated file? Use the command-line tools detailed at . -- -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Aug 12 17:31:23 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:31:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying the mailman.po file In-Reply-To: <411B5A6F.28140.806EEB@localhost> References: <411B5A6F.28140.806EEB@localhost> Message-ID: At 11:54 AM +0200 2004-08-12, Maciej Homziuk wrote: > I modify the mailman.po file and then compile it to mailman.mo. > Unfortunatelly it doesn't take any effect on the messages in those > emails, although other changes (for example the navigation in list > admin web interface) are accepted. Had you bothered to follow the guidelines at and searched the FAQ Wizard at , you should have found a number of relevant FAQ entries at . In short, you need to stop and restart Mailman via mailmanctl. -- -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Aug 12 17:31:23 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:31:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Basic question In-Reply-To: <001301c48030$bdde8940$0400a8c0@ANGELA> References: <001301c48030$bdde8940$0400a8c0@ANGELA> Message-ID: At 3:53 PM +1000 2004-08-12, Angela Smith wrote: > I cant' find an answer to a very basic question. I want to use your service > for distributing Newsletters to a list. If I create a newsletter how do I > send it to the list stored on your server. Do I create the newsletter on my > computer in HTML or as text and then what? The page at should be your starting point for any questions you may have. -- -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Aug 12 17:31:23 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:31:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Character problems.. In-Reply-To: <20040812134411.4AE393C03@mail.the-server.net> References: <20040812134411.4AE393C03@mail.the-server.net> Message-ID: At 3:44 PM +0200 2004-08-12, Anders Norrbring wrote: > I've noticed a small problem... If I enter a "Welcome to the list message" > in welcome_msg that includes international characters like our Swedish ? ? ? > ? ? ? then the e-mail sent to list user contains encoded characters like > ä and å > > Can this be prevented? Your MUA is probably generating an MIME/HTML-formatted message, which is then probably being converted to plain text by Mailman. This is related to the MIME formatting issue discussed in . -- -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Aug 12 17:31:23 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:31:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem In-Reply-To: <20040812101125.29313192@osage.osagesoftware.com> References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <006a01c47f2c$361c2800$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <4119589E.4040109@webbalah.net> <20040810193823.1bb3075f@osage.osagesoftware.com> <001c01c47fb4$086bf470$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <005101c47fba$dfb40ca0$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <20040811121019.33757aea@osage.osagesoftware.com> <006a01c47fca$1192ef20$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <20040811152137.5862a19a@osage.osagesoftware.com> <20040811184729.39d896a4@osage.osagesoftware.com> <20040811214456.57424847@osage.osagesoftware.com> <20040812101125.29313192@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: At 10:11 AM -0400 2004-08-12, David Relson wrote: > I'm running mailman using the Mandrake 10.0 rpms. I apologize for not > mentioning that fact. I assumed that the division of files between > /usr/local/mailman and /var/lib/mailman was standard. Evidently I was > mistaken. Anything done by any other group that takes the Mailman software and packages it up in some fashion, will almost certainly make fairly extensive modifications to the Mailman installation process so that it conforms to whatever standards they've chosen regarding the separation of source versus executable code, code versus data/queue directories, etc.... Unless you (or someone else) installed the software directly from the source tarballs provided by the Mailman project, and you didn't over-ride any of the default installation procedures, you cannot assume that anything on your system is anything remotely like anything on anyone else's system. This is why I went into pretty extensive detail regarding the amount of information asked for in the FAQ entry at . > AFAICT, recursive grep isn't bothered by the number of files in a > directory. Hopefully, it will "Do The Right Thing" with regards to large numbers of files to be processed, just like xargs. But this is something that would have to be implemented internally to the code, and your version of grep may work one way, while someone else's works a different way. Contrariwise, xargs works pretty much the same everywhere. Well, everywhere that it is available. > Anyhow, details aside on grepping source code, I find mailman to be a > useful and valuable tool. It's been running bogofilter's mailing lists > for several months without problem. > > Thanks for the great work. Thanks! -- -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Aug 12 17:31:23 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:31:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Request help: MM 2.1.5 Install on BSD; setGID errors. In-Reply-To: <20040812103002.3b0a7ba5.hesco@greens.org> References: <20040812063527.29620.qmail@greens.org> <20040812103002.3b0a7ba5.hesco@greens.org> Message-ID: At 10:30 AM -0400 2004-08-12, Hugh Esco wrote: > My friend is root in his BSD jail. Will this be sufficient? Maybe. Depends on whether or not all the software was installed internally to the BSD jail. If it was, then this should be sufficient. If you're inside the jail but sharing a Mailman installation from outside the jail, that won't work. -- -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Aug 12 17:31:23 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:31:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] question In-Reply-To: <94211FBC-E97E-11D8-8633-000393B2CBC2@macomb.com> References: <94211FBC-E97E-11D8-8633-000393B2CBC2@macomb.com> Message-ID: At 5:04 PM -0400 2004-08-08, Tanner Woodford wrote: > One, is it easily customizable? Meaning I can change the > wording/backgrounds/etc after it's uploaded? (Maybe Open Source is > the term I'm searching for.) Mailman is open source, yes. But you may also be interested in the page at . > Two, We already have a list set up, can I import about 6,000 contacts > into the mailman software? Go to the web interface for the list, go to the "Membership Management" page, then down to the "Mass Subscription" sub-page. Cut-n-paste your addresses there. Or use the command-line tools as detailed in . > Three, Since our list is so large, I was wondering if there is any > way to control how many emails are sent out per hour..We're only > allowed to send out 800. Is that possible? You really should read the entire FAQ at , and use the FAQ Wizard at to search for terms. You should also search the archives of the list, via the instructions at . > I'm willing to pay for mailing list services. See . -- -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From tech at khouse.org Thu Aug 12 17:33:01 2004 From: tech at khouse.org (Russell Mann) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:33:01 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing to Multiple Lists Simultaneously - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <20040811224501.ABABC1E4002@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <20040812153302.544201E400A@bag.python.org> > Next thing I > want to do is allow the users to subscribe to multiple lists > from one signup page. The reason is we don't want our > customers to have to go through more hoops just to get our > information! > > I see a couple questions on the list posted about this, but > no one appears to have been replied to yet. If this isn't > possible, please at least reply to let me know that! > > If there is a command-list email option, that would work, such as: > > Emaillistname-subscribe at host.com where the From info is > parsed to effect the signup. It's easy to write a perl form > to take an inputted email address and send to the subscribe address. Since there seem to be no takers, here's what I'm doing currently. I wrote an HTML form and PERL script to send emails to the -request at host.com address, with "subscribe" in the subject, which seems to do the trick. You can modify the form and script to accommodate any number of email lists. (Superflouous HTML formatting removed) HTML FORM: Sign up for list1: Sign up for list2: Your Name (optional): E-mail Address: PERL SCRIPT TO HANDLE IT. #!/usr/bin/perl $root_dir = "/www/domain"; #location of qmail-inject on your system $mailer = '/var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject'; # If you're using sendmail, probably change this to /usr/lib/sendmail or something like that. $topfile="$root_dir/templates/top.html"; $bottomfile="$root_dir/templates/bottom.html"; $datapath = "$root_dir/data/list1/"; $counterpath = "$root_dir/data/list1_counters"; $end_message = <<"MESSAGE__";

We have just sent you a message requesting your confirmation that you want to be added to our mailing list. This verifies that we have your correct e-mail address, and protects you from fraudulent subscription requests. Please read this email message and follow the instructions to complete the subscription process.

Thank You for subscribing to these email services. If you ever have any questions regarding your subscription, please contact us at .

MESSAGE__ $unsub_end_message = <<"MESSAGE__";

We have just sent you a message requesting your confirmation that you want to be REMOVED from our mailing list. This verifies that we have your correct e-mail address, and protects you from fraudulent requests. Please read this email message and follow the instructions to complete the unsubscribe process.

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MESSAGE__ # next line should be the domain name of your ezmlm server $maillisthost = 'lists.domain.com'; # list of characters that are OK in an email address $OK_EMAIL_ADDRESS_CHARS='-a-zA-Z0-9_.@'; $OK_NAME_CHARS='-a-zA-Z0-9_. '; # process the user's input read(STDIN, $buffer, $ENV{'CONTENT_LENGTH'}); # Split the name-value pairs @pairs = split(/&/, $buffer); foreach $pair (@pairs) { ($name, $value) = split(/=/, $pair); # Un-Webify plus signs and %-encoding $value =~ tr/+/ /; $value =~ s/%([a-fA-F0-9][a-fA-F0-9])/pack("C", hex($1))/eg; # Uncomment for debugging purposes # print "Setting $name to $value

"; $FORM{$name} = $value; } $addcounter = $FORM{'counter_file'}; $addcounter =~ s/[\.\/]//g; $title = $FORM{'acktitle'}; $top = &Template("$topfile"); $bottom = &Template("$bottomfile"); print "Content-type: text/html\n\n"; if($FORM{list1}) { push @recipients, $FORM{enews}; } if($FORM{list2}) { push @recipients, $FORM{prod}; } # Send subscribe message foreach $myrecipient(@recipients) { $recipient = "$myrecipient-request\@$maillisthost"; $recipient =~ s/[^$OK_EMAIL_ADDRESS_CHARS]/_/go; print ""; $email = $FORM{'user_email'}; $email =~ s/[^$OK_EMAIL_ADDRESS_CHARS]/_/go; $name = $FORM{'user_name'}; $name =~ s/[^$OK_NAME_CHARS]/_/go; print ""; open (MAIL, "|$mailer -f$email $recipient") || die "Can't open $mailer!\n"; print MAIL "From: $name <$email>\n"; print MAIL "Subject: $FORM{listtarget}\n\n"; close (MAIL); } # HTML confirmation notice print "$title\n"; print "$top"; if ($FORM{listtarget} eq 'subscribe') { print $end_message; } else { print $unsub_end_message; } print "$bottom"; open (FILE, "<$counterpath/$addcounter"); $value = ; ++$value; close (FILE); open (FILE, ">$counterpath/$addcounter"); print FILE "$value"; close (FILE); sub Template { local(*FILE); # filehandle local($file); # file path local($HTML); # HTML data $file = $_[0] || die "Template : No template file specified\n"; open(FILE, "<$file") || die "template : couldn't open $file : $!\n"; while () { $HTML .= $_; } close(FILE); $HTML =~ s/\$(\w+)/${$1}/g; $HTML =~ s/\$@(\w+)/${$1}/g; return $HTML; } ---------------------------------------------- -- Russell Mann From tech at khouse.org Thu Aug 12 17:33:01 2004 From: tech at khouse.org (Russell Mann) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:33:01 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] question In-Reply-To: <94211FBC-E97E-11D8-8633-000393B2CBC2@macomb.com> Message-ID: <20040812153302.6FA8B1E400B@bag.python.org> > I am interested in using Mailman, but have a few quick questions. I've been using it for about two weeks, so here's a fresh perspective for you :) > One, is it easily customizable? Meaning I can change the > wording/backgrounds/etc after it's uploaded? (Maybe Open > Source is the term I'm searching for.) Yes and No. If you want a fully integrated mail list, you'll have to edit python scripts. For some reason the developers havn't templated the entire system, just a few special pages. There is also no native support for CSS. My recent thread is here: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg26387.html Here's my "solution" post: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg26415.html Maybe Brad Knowles can add this info to the FAQ? > > Two, We already have a list set up, can I import about 6,000 > contacts into the mailman software? > There is a mass-subscribe feature, which I havn't yet used, but plan to on about 50K emails. If you can get your addresses into a text file with one email per line, you should be good to go. > Three, Since our list is so large, I was wondering if there > is any way to control how many emails are sent out per > hour..We're only allowed to send out 800. Is that possible? No clue. Are you not running this on your own server? > > If these things are indeed impossible, Could someone please > recommend software that would be helpful to me? I'm converting OUT of ezmlm, which is a qmail-compatible email list software. If you're not adminning your own server, though, forget that ;) -- Russell Mann From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Aug 12 17:39:52 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:39:52 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] question In-Reply-To: <20040812153302.6FA8B1E400B@bag.python.org> References: <20040812153302.6FA8B1E400B@bag.python.org> Message-ID: At 8:33 AM -0700 2004-08-12, Russell Mann wrote: > Here's my "solution" post: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg26415.html > > Maybe Brad Knowles can add this info to the FAQ? Actually, you have the ability to add this to the FAQ yourself. If you go down to the bottom of the appropriate page, there is an "edit" link. Follow the instructions, and you can edit the entry as you see fit. Everything is archived via RCS, so if someone munges an entry too badly, we should be able to recover a previous version. -- -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From zzizzle at zzizzle.com Thu Aug 12 17:45:57 2004 From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com (zzizzle at zzizzle.com) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:45:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lost Password In-Reply-To: <20040812153204.609731E401D@bag.python.org> References: <20040812153204.609731E401D@bag.python.org> Message-ID: How do I get in the backend if I lost my password to a group? Thanks, Jonathan From listen at o-m-a.de Thu Aug 12 17:46:27 2004 From: listen at o-m-a.de (Oliver Musch) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:46:27 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_virtualhost() Message-ID: <20040812154605.6D8551E4003@bag.python.org> Hi, I just compiled the 2.1.5 of Mailman. Using three domains on this box I add the "add_virtualhost() directive in mm_cfg.py. But now I get an Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 105, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 4, in ? add_virtualhost('abg.ath.cx', DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) NameError: name 'add_virtualhost' is not defined What went wrong? Oliver From rpremont at intellistar.net Thu Aug 12 19:01:14 2004 From: rpremont at intellistar.net (Russell Premont) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:01:14 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem getting mailman working with courier + LDAP Message-ID: I have a Solaris 9 sparc box running Courier for pop3 and LDAP being used as the authentication method. I have installed Python 2.3.4 and MailMan 2.1.5. I have modified the install for MailMan from usr/local to /home but other than that everything else is the default installation. The issue I am having is that all mail that gets sent to any of the mail list addresses gets deferred. If I go to the web interface and subscribe there it works fine. I get the request sent to me but I cannot respond via email or it gets deferred, but I can login via the web interface and approve the subscribe request. If I then try to send an email to the list it also gets deferred. What have I missed or done wrong? Thank You From CFrederick at afsc.org Thu Aug 12 19:16:45 2004 From: CFrederick at afsc.org (Chad Frederick) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:16:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lost Password Message-ID: <55F0D703F0FA4D409F341C95A11BF66D01294CBF@DELTA.AFSC.local> I'm pretty sure that the default master admin password is: weNo150 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Charles Frederick (215) 241 7183 Intern, Education Team, IT Department American Friends Service Committee -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of zzizzle at zzizzle.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 11:46 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lost Password How do I get in the backend if I lost my password to a group? Thanks, Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Aug 12 20:24:43 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:24:43 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem getting mailman working with courier + LDAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:01 PM -0400 2004-08-12, Russell Premont wrote: > The issue I am having is that all mail that gets sent to any of the mail > list addresses gets deferred. If I go to the web interface and subscribe > there it works fine. I get the request sent to me but I cannot respond via > email or it gets deferred, but I can login via the web interface and approve > the subscribe request. If I then try to send an email to the list it also > gets deferred. What have I missed or done wrong? This is almost certainly a problem with Courier. Please see the FAQ entry and provide the appropriate information, especially the contents of the log files, etc.... -- -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From erin at thedalzells.org Thu Aug 12 20:41:50 2004 From: erin at thedalzells.org (Erin Dalzell) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:41:50 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correct permissions for mailing list Message-ID: <411BB9EE.3040400@thedalzells.org> Changed the permissions on my mailing list files (to attempt to fix another problem) and now I cannot access the admin page for my mailing list. If I try I get the following error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 248, in main mlist.Save() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 525, in Save self.__save(dict) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 497, in __save os.unlink(fname_last) OSError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/canuck_hlp_pb/config.pck.last' The permission are currently: drwxrwsr-x 14 root mailman 476 12 Aug 11:37 . drwxrwsr-x 4 root mailman 136 18 Jul 20:41 .. -rw-rw-rw- 1 root mailman 6205 11 Aug 12:00 config.pck -rw-rw-rw- 1 root mailman 6205 11 Aug 09:00 config.pck.last -rw-rw-rw- 1 root mailman 6205 12 Aug 09:00 config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.1896 -rw-rw-rw- 1 root mailman 6205 12 Aug 11:29 config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.2028 -rw-rw-rw- 1 root mailman 6205 12 Aug 11:32 config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.2057 -rw-rw-rw- 1 root mailman 6205 12 Aug 11:32 config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.2058 -rw-rw-rw- 1 www mailman 6205 12 Aug 11:36 config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.2068 -rw-rw---- 1 www mailman 6205 12 Aug 11:37 config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.2073 -rw-rw-rw- 1 root mailman 6251 12 Aug 11:28 config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.429 -rw-rw-rw- 1 root mailman 6205 12 Aug 11:28 config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.432 -rw-rw-rw- 1 mailman mailman 130 12 Aug 11:28 pending.pck -rw-rw-r-- 1 www mailman 610 12 Aug 11:37 request.pck I am running this on Mac OS X 10.3.5. Is there any other information I can provide to help? emd From iane at sussex.ac.uk Thu Aug 12 20:53:58 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:53:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Basic question In-Reply-To: <001301c48030$bdde8940$0400a8c0@ANGELA> References: <001301c48030$bdde8940$0400a8c0@ANGELA> Message-ID: --On Thursday, August 12, 2004 3:53 pm +1000 Angela Smith wrote: > I cant' find an answer to a very basic question. I want to use your > service for distributing Newsletters to a list. If I create a newsletter > how do I send it to the list stored on your server. Do I create the > newsletter on my computer in HTML or as text and then what? You need to be asking this question of someone who will create a list on their server. This list is intended for administrators of Mailman servers. It isn't the right place to find someone willing to host a list for you. > Sincerely, > > Angela Smith > Marketing and Booking Manager > Binacrombi Holidays > 1800 620 706 > www.binacrombi.com.au > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From gus at clacso.edu.ar Thu Aug 12 21:59:15 2004 From: gus at clacso.edu.ar (gus) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:59:15 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: <05a501c47ff9$a9a65110$6401a8c0@reggae> Message-ID: <411BCC13.8090002@clacso.edu.ar> Brad Knowles wrote: > At 5:19 PM -0600 2004-08-11, wrote: > >> I own a mailing list of 8400 members. How do I back up the list in a >> comma separated file? > > > Use the command-line tools detailed at > . > What is the command for backup???? Regards Gus From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Aug 12 22:15:14 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:15:14 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup Mailing List In-Reply-To: <411BCC13.8090002@clacso.edu.ar> References: <05a501c47ff9$a9a65110$6401a8c0@reggae> <411BCC13.8090002@clacso.edu.ar> Message-ID: At 4:59 PM -0300 2004-08-12, gus wrote: >> Use the command-line tools detailed at >> . > > What is the command for backup???? Well, from the descriptions on this page, I'd say that list_members should be the program you want to run to get a list of all the subscribers. -- -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From theall at tifaware.com Thu Aug 12 22:55:02 2004 From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:55:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correct permissions for mailing list In-Reply-To: <411BB9EE.3040400@thedalzells.org> References: <411BB9EE.3040400@thedalzells.org> Message-ID: <20040812205502.GB20656@tifaware.com> On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 11:41:50AM -0700, Erin Dalzell wrote: > Changed the permissions on my mailing list files (to attempt to fix > another problem) and now I cannot access the admin page for my mailing > list. Have you run bin/check_perms? If so, does it report any problems? George -- theall at tifaware.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040812/4d36dc56/attachment.pgp From erin at thedalzells.org Thu Aug 12 22:58:54 2004 From: erin at thedalzells.org (Erin Dalzell) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:58:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correct permissions for mailing list In-Reply-To: <20040812205502.GB20656@tifaware.com> References: <411BB9EE.3040400@thedalzells.org> <20040812205502.GB20656@tifaware.com> Message-ID: <411BDA0E.2020406@thedalzells.org> > Have you run bin/check_perms? If so, does it report any problems? Yes. No problems reported. emd From lists at norrbring.biz Thu Aug 12 23:23:34 2004 From: lists at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:23:34 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Character problems.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040812212335.242776270@mail.the-server.net> > At 3:44 PM +0200 2004-08-12, Anders Norrbring wrote: > > > I've noticed a small problem... If I enter a "Welcome to the list > message" > > in welcome_msg that includes international characters like our Swedish > ? ? ? > > ? ? ? then the e-mail sent to list user contains encoded characters > like > > ä and å > > > > Can this be prevented? > > Your MUA is probably generating an MIME/HTML-formatted message, > which is then probably being converted to plain text by Mailman. > This is related to the MIME formatting issue discussed in > . I don't buy that really.. This is a Mailman generated e-mail, sent out when a user joins the list in this manner; 1. Sign up on the Mailman list web page. 2. Verify their e-mail address. 3. Moderator validates. 4. Mailman sends a welcome message, and THIS e-mail is the one containing the erroneous characters. I guess that the problem is in the way Mailman and Apache interprets what I enter in the welcome_msg text entry box in the Mailman Admin page, after all, this is a web page, and hence entered characters are converted somewhere to their html complaint sets, i.e. ? turns to ä Is there some way to manually change these values? Perhaps via config_list dump, edit and reload? Anders. From zzizzle at zzizzle.com Thu Aug 12 23:35:36 2004 From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com (zzizzle at zzizzle.com) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:35:36 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Lost Password In-Reply-To: <20040812212355.880CA1E4008@bag.python.org> References: <20040812212355.880CA1E4008@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <8C29FF68-ECA7-11D8-AF67-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> That didn't work. I still don't know how to get into my site. On Aug 12, 2004, at 2:23 PM, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote: > > I'm pretty sure that the default master admin password is: > weNo150 From juann at juanin.com Thu Aug 12 23:43:37 2004 From: juann at juanin.com (Juan Nin) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:43:37 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages stuck in queue after approval Message-ID: <411BE489.9010900@juanin.com> Hi, I'm running mailman 2.0.13 on a RH 7.1 box. I'm having problems with some moderated lists... when the administrator approves a message the message gets stuck... the lists keeps locked, since I see the lock at /var/mailman/locks/ in /var/logs/mailman/post I get: Aug 12 18:28:46 2004 (11220) post to myListfrom user at domain.tld, size=56233, 338 failures in /var/logs/mailman/smtpI get: Aug 12 18:28:46 2004 (11220) All recipients refused: Server not connected Aug 12 18:28:46 2004 (11220) smtp for 338 recips, completed in 65.904 seconds and in /var/logs/mailman/error get: Aug 12 18:29:33 2004 (11220) Delivery exception: Aug 12 18:29:33 2004 (11220) Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 74, in process deliver(admin, msgtext, chunk, refused) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 215, in deliver conn.quit() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py", line 523, in quit self.docmd("quit") File "/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py", line 307, in docmd return self.getreply() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py", line 281, in getreply line = self.file.readline() any ideas on what may be causing this problem? I googled and found little things related, but they were due to some specific problems, that don't apply to my case.. thanks in advance, Juan From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Aug 13 00:13:56 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:13:56 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages stuck in queue after approval In-Reply-To: <411BE489.9010900@juanin.com> References: <411BE489.9010900@juanin.com> Message-ID: At 6:43 PM -0300 2004-08-12, Juan Nin wrote: > Aug 12 18:28:46 2004 (11220) All recipients refused: Server not connected > Aug 12 18:28:46 2004 (11220) smtp for 338 recips, completed in 65.904 seconds This implies that your MTA is not running, or not accepting connections. Check your MTA to make sure it's running and accepting connections. Also check your MTA logs to see if they have anything to say about the incoming connection attempts from Mailman. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jwt at OnJapan.net Fri Aug 13 02:42:04 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:42:04 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Character problems.. In-Reply-To: <20040812212335.242776270@mail.the-server.net> References: <20040812212335.242776270@mail.the-server.net> Message-ID: <20040813004204.GD16278@server.onjapan.net> On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 11:23:34PM +0200, Anders Norrbring wrote: > I guess that the problem is in the way Mailman and Apache interprets what I > enter in the welcome_msg text entry box in the Mailman Admin page, after > all, this is a web page, and hence entered characters are converted > somewhere to their html complaint sets, i.e. ? turns to ä > > Is there some way to manually change these values? Perhaps via config_list > dump, edit and reload? You could try using bin/withlist to set the value of the welcome_msg string. As the mailman user: $ bin/withlist -l mylist >>> print m.welcome_msg >>> m.welcome_msg = '''This is the new welcome text ... that will be prepended to the message sent to ... new subscribers.''' >>> m.Save() >>> {ctrl-d} But I am suspicious that the encoding might be occurring on the way out rather than the way in. Please try. :-) -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From tom_lee01 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 13 06:07:54 2004 From: tom_lee01 at hotmail.com (Tom Lee) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 04:07:54 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] delete pending mails from shell Message-ID: Hello, I have thousands of pending spam emails in a list for mailman 2.0.x, is there a way to delete them from shell command instead GUI? I really don't want to check thousand times for "discard". Also, is there a way that I can change the mailman settings, in the future, non registered users posting email to mail list, they will get a bounced email saying they are not registered user to post mail and then discard the mail automatically. In other words, the administrator doesn't need to get involved to approval or disapproval? thanks. tom _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From stephen at xemacs.org Fri Aug 13 06:23:49 2004 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:23:49 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem In-Reply-To: <004c01c48071$58aeb180$ef02430a@dustpuppy> (Robert Echlin's message of "Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:36:15 -0400") References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> <87wu04eris.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <004c01c48071$58aeb180$ef02430a@dustpuppy> Message-ID: <87vffnd5t6.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> >>>>> "Robert" == Robert Echlin writes: Robert> That looks like an interesting solution. I'll make a note Robert> of it for next time. Well, last I heard your server was still trying to create the page and choking. This will solve that, because there is an index of pending requests as well as the individual messages. Removing the messages causes the server to create a page containing 10000 (or whatever it was) "I can't find this file" items, and it will then remove the missing message from the index, too. But it's slo-o-o-ow and takes a huge amount of RAM (I don't know why---I'll hazard a guess that it's holding all those messages in memory, probably as Unicode strings to add insult to injury). This solution also clears the index, and your server will unjam. Because it's not futzing with trying to create a web page at the same time, it should be a matter of a few seconds (it's always been instantaneous for me, up to about 500 held messages). Robert> The docs describe how to start "withlist", but I think I Robert> would have to learn the internals of the Python code Robert> pretty thoroughly to be able to reproduce this from Robert> scratch. True. However, this particular code gets posted every few weeks. Consider it a magic spell. Robert> What's going on in the ...? And what will it prompt me Robert> with that I need to hit ? "..." _is_ the prompt. Python uses indentation to create blocks, not a begin_token ... end_token sequence. Changing the prompt tells the users "you're in a block, be careful to match preceding indentation." However, here the block is implicit in the statement after the colon, so you can end it immediately. Robert> I also think this answers one of my previous questions - Robert> it would have been useful to ask the developers list. Not really. You just happened to have the misfortune that all of the six or so (now seven ) mailman-users folks who have posted this recipe (or URLs to it) in the past are either on vacation or misread your original post to indicate that you tried this and it didn't work for you. Most of the developers who would bother to respond to such an OT question are already active on mailman-users. (Why is it OT? Because it's a solved problem, with the solution well-known on the user list.) Cheers! -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From hesco at greens.org Fri Aug 13 08:50:19 2004 From: hesco at greens.org (hesco at greens.org) Date: 13 Aug 2004 06:50:19 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating aliases as an unprivleged user . . . Message-ID: <20040813065019.15729.qmail@greens.org> Hello all: We jumped through those permission hurdles and got a successful installation of mailman this evening. I'd advise that instead of talking generally about setgid, that the INSTALL file instruct us to: chmod 02775 /usr/local/mailman But that is not why I'm writing this evening. bash-2.05$ ls -al /etc/aliases lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 12 Aug 10 09:43 /etc/aliases -> mail/aliases bash-2.05$ ls -al /etc/mail/aliases -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1516 Jul 28 04:08 /etc/mail/aliases I'm on a FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0 server. I'm a Debian man myself. This is my first exposure to BSD. I, as an unprivleged user, and a member of the mailman group, am supposed to administer this installation. Hopefully without bothering our root user everytime we need to create another list. I'm expecting to have to create and delegate out about 150 or so lists in the next couple of weeks. I administer an existing installation of 2.0.8 with perhaps 20, 30 or so lists. I created a shell script which automates the creation of new lists on that server, by echoing the aliases into .qmail files. (Someone else handled the installation on that machine). But I don't have to be root to do that. Is there anyway around this? Will my /etc/aliases file work if I have root chmod 664 on the file? Will I as a member of wheel be able to edit it then? Will it create any security holes for me to create a script to handle this alias creation for me? --- On another question, I am building a perl script on another remote server to permit folks to subscribe themselves to multiple lists by completing check boxes and submitting a web form. How can I automate the necessary interaction with mailman? Will mailman accept emailed commands like majordomo does? Or can I somehow create a ssh tunnel to interact directly with the mailman server? Could I perhaps build a database of subscribe requests that the list server could interact with on a cron job? Are there other ways this might be accomplished? All help is appreciated. -- Hugh Esco From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Fri Aug 13 09:52:10 2004 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:52:10 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG discard problem In-Reply-To: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> References: <001401c47e47$88c9c980$ef02430a@dustpuppy> Message-ID: <411C732A.3090008@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, Did you solve this problem ? You can prevent so big discard problem again by applying this patch: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=790494&group_id=103&atid=300103 Cheers, Robert Echlin wrote: > Hi, > I have a problem discarding pending messages for the admin. > > One of our mail lists has accumulated over 10,000 (ten thousand) spam > messages. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From maria at bohemiansunrise.com Fri Aug 13 10:25:59 2004 From: maria at bohemiansunrise.com (Maria - Bohemian Sunrise) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 04:25:59 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] need original HTML for public pages | subscribe email not working Message-ID: <20040813081448.17C0E14969A@pillage.dreamhost.com> Hi everyone - newbie here...just started with Mailman about 12 hours ago... I did a silly thing - I changed the HTML code for 2 of the 3 public pages without first saving it somewhere else. I'm fairly proficient in HTML (or, so I thought)...Anyway, anyone know of a place to get the original code? I checked the FAQ's and all that and didn't see any listings. Also, since I obviously cannot figure it out on my own, is there a place where the HTML is broken down a bit and explained for these pages? I know it's late, but the stuff in the HTML and what shows up on the page isn't making sense to me. I designed www.bohemiansunrise.com entirely on my own, using notepad (YUK), so I have some idea of basic HTML, but would appreciate a little help on these three specific pages - especially, with the MM-specific codes. I completely destroyed the general info page (lost the unsubscription code from the bottom - it's really all I want back). The subscription status page is now static (it looks pretty, but is non-functioning as a status page). I think the user specific options page is ok, as I didn't really touch it, but would like to. This is really embarrassing - in all my years of design, it's never happened - I ALWAYS save the original code before screwing around...I guess I got cocky - that'll show me! Thanks to you in advance for your help! Here is my chopped-up general list info page: http://lists.bohemiansunrise.com/listinfo.cgi/bosudates-bohemiansunrise.com Also - my subscribe email doesn't seem to be working...any ideas? This is the error message I get returned to me, from the address I attempted to subscribe: : host lists.bohemiansunrise.com[66.33.216.120] said: 550 : User unknown Thanks so much!! Maria From lists at norrbring.biz Fri Aug 13 10:33:26 2004 From: lists at norrbring.biz (Anders Norrbring) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:33:26 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Character problems.. In-Reply-To: <20040813004204.GD16278@server.onjapan.net> Message-ID: <20040813083328.CDDA062B1@mail.the-server.net> > On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 11:23:34PM +0200, Anders Norrbring wrote: > > I guess that the problem is in the way Mailman and Apache interprets > what I > > enter in the welcome_msg text entry box in the Mailman Admin page, after > > all, this is a web page, and hence entered characters are converted > > somewhere to their html complaint sets, i.e. ? turns to ä > > > > Is there some way to manually change these values? Perhaps via > config_list > > dump, edit and reload? > > You could try using bin/withlist to set the value of the welcome_msg > string. As the mailman user: > > $ bin/withlist -l mylist > >>> print m.welcome_msg > > >>> m.welcome_msg = '''This is the new welcome text > ... that will be prepended to the message sent to > ... new subscribers.''' > >>> m.Save() > >>> {ctrl-d} > > But I am suspicious that the encoding might be occurring on the > way out rather than the way in. Please try. :-) I did it the way I described, I dumped the config with config_list -o and edited the config file. Every Swedish character in the file was encoded in a format I haven't seen before. :) The character ? was coded as \xe4 and the ? was presented as \xf6. So I simply swapped the encoded strings for the Swedish characters in a text editor, reloaded the config with config_list -i and the outgoing e-mails are correct. So, the problem should be when the texts are entered in the web page configuration I think. Since it works fine when imported from the config file... Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting From tristan at extricate.org Fri Aug 13 10:48:21 2004 From: tristan at extricate.org (Tristan Greaves) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:48:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator request waiting - but a negative number of emails Message-ID: <411C8055.9090700@extricate.org> Hi all, I recently re-installed my Linux system, choosing Fedora Core 2. I have copied my previous Mailman "lists" and "archives" directories to achieve this, and everything appears to be working fine. Apart from one annoyance. I am getting emails like this one for my list: "The mailing list has -1 request(s) waiting for your consideration at:" Note the negative number! If I visit the moderation page, no emails are showing. Any idea what might be causing this? Thanks, Tris. From juann at juanin.com Fri Aug 13 14:38:49 2004 From: juann at juanin.com (Juan Nin) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:38:49 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages stuck in queue after approval In-Reply-To: References: <411BE489.9010900@juanin.com> Message-ID: <411CB659.6050004@juanin.com> Brad Knowles wrote: >> Aug 12 18:28:46 2004 (11220) All recipients refused: Server not >> connected >> Aug 12 18:28:46 2004 (11220) smtp for 338 recips, completed in 65.904 >> seconds > > This implies that your MTA is not running, or not accepting > connections. > > Check your MTA to make sure it's running and accepting connections. > Also check your MTA logs to see if they have anything to say about the > incoming connection attempts from Mailman. Yes, the logs seem to be telling that, but actually the MTA is running just fine, it's the same MTA through which I'm sending these mails.. :) Moreover, several other lists on this server are running just fine, with no problem... before sending my prevoius mail to the list, I run a "tail -f /var/log/maillog" to see if there was any mailman related error, and no logs appear from the lists which are not running... # ls /var/mailman/locks/ qrunner.lock qrunner.lock.mydomain.tld.24547 # cat /var/log/mailman/qrunner Aug 13 09:30:03 2004 (24486) Could not acquire qrunner lock Aug 13 09:30:03 2004 (24488) Could not acquire qrunner lock Aug 13 09:31:02 2004 (24500) Could not acquire qrunner lock Aug 13 09:31:02 2004 (24499) Could not acquire qrunner lock Aug 13 09:32:02 2004 (24519) Could not acquire qrunner lock # cat /var/log/mailman/smtp Aug 13 09:34:41 2004 (24547) All recipients refused: Server not connected Aug 13 09:35:17 2004 (24547) All recipients refused: Server not connected Aug 13 09:35:17 2004 (24547) smtp for 338 recips, completed in 75.708 seconds # cat /var/log/mailman/smtp-failure | head -3 Aug 13 09:30:13 2004 (24468) -1 user at domain.com (ignore) Aug 13 09:30:13 2004 (24468) -1 user at other.net (ignore) Aug 13 09:30:13 2004 (24468) -1 user at another.org (ignore) any ideas?? should i delete this lists and try again?? :( From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Aug 13 17:33:26 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:33:26 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] delete pending mails from shell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 4:07 AM +0000 2004-08-13, Tom Lee wrote: > I have thousands of pending spam emails in a list for mailman 2.0.x, is > there a way to delete them from shell command instead GUI? I really don't > want to check thousand times for "discard". There might be some old patches on SourceForge to do this kind of thing for 2.0.x. Most of the command-line tools I know of for this sort of thing were developed for use with 2.1.x. See the archives and the SourceForge patches for more info. > Also, is there a way that I can change the mailman settings, in the > future, non registered users posting email to mail list, they will > get a bounced email saying they are not registered user to post mail > and then discard the mail automatically. In other words, the > administrator doesn't need to get involved to approval or disapproval? Easy enough to do. Just change the default action for non-subscribed users from "hold" to "reject". -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Aug 13 17:40:11 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:40:11 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating aliases as an unprivleged user . . . In-Reply-To: <20040813065019.15729.qmail@greens.org> References: <20040813065019.15729.qmail@greens.org> Message-ID: At 6:50 AM +0000 2004-08-13, hesco at greens.org wrote: > I, as an unprivleged user, and a member of the mailman group, > am supposed to administer this installation. Hopefully without > bothering our root user everytime we need to create another > list. > > I'm expecting to have to create and delegate out about 150 or > so lists in the next couple of weeks. There are standard automatic alias generation tools for use with postfix (see README.POSTFIX), and they have been adapted to work with sendmail as well (see ). If you use one of those two MTAs, then this should solve your problem. > How can I automate the necessary interaction with mailman? > Will mailman accept emailed commands like majordomo does? Mailman has a limited e-mail interface. See . > Or can I somehow create a ssh tunnel to interact directly > with the mailman server? Could I perhaps build a database of > subscribe requests that the list server could interact with > on a cron job? Are there other ways this might be accomplished? Mailman is not well-suited to this kind of operation. If you need to go this route, I think the best way would be to use remote execution facilities to use the command-line tools (detailed at ). Of course, you could use a variety of ways to get the information from one system to the other, and to have the relevant commands executed on your behalf. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Aug 13 17:44:19 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:44:19 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator request waiting - but a negative number of emails In-Reply-To: <411C8055.9090700@extricate.org> References: <411C8055.9090700@extricate.org> Message-ID: At 9:48 AM +0100 2004-08-13, Tristan Greaves wrote: > "The mailing list has -1 request(s) waiting > for your consideration at:" If you had bothered to follow the instructions at regarding searching the archives and the FAQ, you would have easily found the FAQ entry at which addresses this issue. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Aug 13 17:42:25 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:42:25 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] need original HTML for public pages | subscribe email not working In-Reply-To: <20040813081448.17C0E14969A@pillage.dreamhost.com> References: <20040813081448.17C0E14969A@pillage.dreamhost.com> Message-ID: At 4:25 AM -0400 2004-08-13, Maria - Bohemian Sunrise wrote: > Also - my subscribe email doesn't seem to be working...any ideas? This is > the error message I get returned to me, from the address I attempted to > subscribe: > : host > > lists.bohemiansunrise.com[66.33.216.120] said: 550 > > : User unknown Looks like the machine doesn't know that another name for itself is lists.bohemiansunrise.com. This is an MTA configuration issue, although it could also be a problem with this name being a CNAME alias in the DNS pointing to a different name, which is not allowed. In any event, this sounds like an MTA problem and one you'd be more likely to resolve by contacting a mailing list or newsgroup that is specific to your MTA. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From hesco at greens.org Fri Aug 13 17:55:28 2004 From: hesco at greens.org (hesco at greens.org) Date: 13 Aug 2004 15:55:28 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating aliases as an unprivleged user . . . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040813155528.9221.qmail@greens.org> Brad Knowles: Thank you sir. Our installation uses exim. Any models I can work from for exim? And what about the permissions issue? Will I have to bother root or accept the security risk of creating a shell script which will run as root? -- Hugh Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:40:11 +0200 To: hesco at greens.org From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Creating aliases as an unprivleged user . . . Cc: mailman-users at python.org At 6:50 AM +0000 2004-08-13, hesco at greens.org wrote: > I, as an unprivleged user, and a member of the mailman group, > am supposed to administer this installation. Hopefully without > bothering our root user everytime we need to create another > list. > > I'm expecting to have to create and delegate out about 150 or > so lists in the next couple of weeks. There are standard automatic alias generation tools for use with postfix (see README.POSTFIX), and they have been adapted to work with sendmail as well (see ). If you use one of those two MTAs, then this should solve your problem. > How can I automate the necessary interaction with mailman? > Will mailman accept emailed commands like majordomo does? Mailman has a limited e-mail interface. See . > Or can I somehow create a ssh tunnel to interact directly > with the mailman server? Could I perhaps build a database of > subscribe requests that the list server could interact with > on a cron job? Are there other ways this might be accomplished? Mailman is not well-suited to this kind of operation. If you need to go this route, I think the best way would be to use remote execution facilities to use the command-line tools (detailed at ). Of course, you could use a variety of ways to get the information from one system to the other, and to have the relevant commands executed on your behalf. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Aug 13 17:55:28 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:55:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages stuck in queue after approval In-Reply-To: <411CB659.6050004@juanin.com> References: <411BE489.9010900@juanin.com> <411CB659.6050004@juanin.com> Message-ID: <32A5ADF5-ED41-11D8-A0B7-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On 13 Aug 2004, at 13:38, Juan Nin wrote: > Brad Knowles wrote: > >>> Aug 12 18:28:46 2004 (11220) All recipients refused: Server not >>> connected >>> Aug 12 18:28:46 2004 (11220) smtp for 338 recips, completed in >>> 65.904 seconds >> This implies that your MTA is not running, or not accepting >> connections. >> Check your MTA to make sure it's running and accepting >> connections. Also check your MTA logs to see if they have anything >> to say about the incoming connection attempts from Mailman. > > Yes, the logs seem to be telling that, but actually the MTA is running > just fine, it's the same MTA through which I'm sending these mails.. > :) > Assuming you are using Mailman's SMTPDirect module it is possible that your MTA will refuse a connection from Mailman at some point in time or even drop a connection but at another time accept and process a connection from Mailman OK. Depending on how your MTA is configured and how heavily loaded your server is the MTA may refuse a particular connection attempt if, for instance, it has reached its concurrent connection limit or the load factor on the machine exceeds specified limits. Looking back to your original post which had the following error log entry: > > and in /var/logs/mailman/error > get: > Aug 12 18:29:33 2004 (11220) Delivery exception: > Aug 12 18:29:33 2004 (11220) Traceback (innermost last): > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in > do_pipeline > func(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 74, in > process > deliver(admin, msgtext, chunk, refused) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 215, in > deliver > conn.quit() > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py", line 523, in quit > self.docmd("quit") > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py", line 307, in docmd > return self.getreply() > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py", line 281, in > getreply > line = self.file.readline() suggests that the smtplib (Python SMTP support library) raised the Delivery exception because it found hte TCP/IP connection to the MTA had been closed abruptly when it was trying to complete the protocol dialogue with the MTA. It is not obvious that this is a Mailman problem per se. > Moreover, several other lists on this server are running just fine, > with no problem... > > before sending my prevoius mail to the list, I run a "tail -f > /var/log/maillog" to see if there was any mailman related error, and > no logs appear from the lists which are not running... > > # ls /var/mailman/locks/ > qrunner.lock qrunner.lock.mydomain.tld.24547 > > # cat /var/log/mailman/qrunner > Aug 13 09:30:03 2004 (24486) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Aug 13 09:30:03 2004 (24488) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Aug 13 09:31:02 2004 (24500) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Aug 13 09:31:02 2004 (24499) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Aug 13 09:32:02 2004 (24519) Could not acquire qrunner lock > With MM 2.0.13 the qrunner is a cron job. If my recollect is correct, when a previously launched instance of the qrunner is running and cron launches a new instance the new instance logs the "could not acquire" entry in the qrunner log and leaves the older instance to continue processing the queues. The only thing these log entries usually tell you are that on occasions it is taking longer than the qrunner launch interval to process all the queues. But the above entries from the qrunner log show that the "could not acquire" entry is appearing twice at the same time associated with different process ids, which makes me suspect that there may be two crontabs extant on your system which are both trying to start the qrunner every minute. Not a good thing. > # cat /var/log/mailman/smtp > Aug 13 09:34:41 2004 (24547) All recipients refused: Server not > connected > Aug 13 09:35:17 2004 (24547) All recipients refused: Server not > connected > Aug 13 09:35:17 2004 (24547) smtp for 338 recips, completed in 75.708 > seconds > > # cat /var/log/mailman/smtp-failure | head -3 > Aug 13 09:30:13 2004 (24468) -1 user at domain.com (ignore) > Aug 13 09:30:13 2004 (24468) -1 user at other.net (ignore) > Aug 13 09:30:13 2004 (24468) -1 user at another.org (ignore) > > any ideas?? > > should i delete this lists and try again?? :( From morgan at hahaha.org Fri Aug 13 18:07:18 2004 From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:07:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman Site List] Empty Cc header In-Reply-To: <874qninbh9.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> (Morgan Fletcher's message of "Wed, 04 Aug 2004 08:56:18 -0700") References: <874qninbh9.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Message-ID: <877js3qax5.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Morgan Fletcher writes: > I recently made the upgrade* from 2.0.8 to 2.1.5. It went well. Thank you, > mailman maintainers, for a great piece of software. > > Mail to our mailing lists has had empty Cc headers since the upgrade. Why > is that? It's causing some mail to be rejected by our subscribers' MTAs, > like so: > >>>>> > Aug 4 07:21:17 flip postfix/cleanup[8936]: C92834800B9A: reject: header Cc: > [...] Message content rejected > <<<< > > We're running postfix 2.0.18, mailman 2.1.5, netbsd. > > I've searched the archives, but since "cc" is ignored by the search engine > I didn't find anything. Is this some optional feature in mailman? > > Morgan > > * I'd posted here previously about the trouble I had, upgrading. Adding the > note about undoing the coerce-to-plaintext patch to UPGRADING in 2.1.5 > got me past the problem. Thanks again. No one else has had this problem, or knows the solution? I've sent mail from the machine as a user, using mailx (postfix) and there's no empty Cc: header. And the problem showed up when we upgraded from 2.0.8 to 2.1.5. So I don't think it's postfix. Anyone? Morgan Fletcher Oakland, CA From tom_lee01 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 13 18:44:46 2004 From: tom_lee01 at hotmail.com (Tom Lee) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:44:46 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] delete pending mails from shell Message-ID: >At 4:07 AM +0000 2004-08-13, Tom Lee wrote: > >> I have thousands of pending spam emails in a list for mailman 2.0.x, is >> there a way to delete them from shell command instead GUI? I really >>don't >> want to check thousand times for "discard". > > There might be some old patches on SourceForge to do this kind of thing >for 2.0.x. Most of the command-line tools I know of for this sort of thing >were developed for use with 2.1.x. It seems to me that all hold messages are located in directory /home/mailman/data Can I use "rm" to manually delete them? > > See the archives and the SourceForge patches for more info. > >> Also, is there a way that I can change the mailman settings, in the >> future, non registered users posting email to mail list, they will >> get a bounced email saying they are not registered user to post mail >> and then discard the mail automatically. In other words, the >> administrator doesn't need to get involved to approval or disapproval? > > Easy enough to do. Just change the default action for non-subscribed >users from "hold" to "reject". Thanks. Under "General Options", I cannot find such an option to change the default action. Also, I tried to remove the list admin's email address from the website. I went to "General Options", and deleted the value for The list admin's email address. Then, I noticed under the bottom of the webpage, it will display "xx-xxxxxll list run by". It looks good that the email address doesn't appear in the webpage anymore. But not sure how to remove the text "xx-xxxxxll list run by" Thanks for your help, Tom > >-- >Brad Knowles, > >"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little >temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From juann at juanin.com Fri Aug 13 19:21:10 2004 From: juann at juanin.com (Juan Nin) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:21:10 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages stuck in queue after approval In-Reply-To: <32A5ADF5-ED41-11D8-A0B7-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> References: <411BE489.9010900@juanin.com> <411CB659.6050004@juanin.com> <32A5ADF5-ED41-11D8-A0B7-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <411CF886.1060304@juanin.com> Richard Barrett wrote: > Depending on how your MTA is configured and > how heavily loaded your server is the MTA may refuse a particular > connection attempt if, for instance, it has reached its concurrent > connection limit or the load factor on the machine exceeds specified > limits. Thanks Richard!!! :) I'm using Postfix and had "smtpd_recipient_limit = 50" I changed it to 500 and the e-mails were distributed!!! :) thanks again! Juan From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Aug 13 19:16:43 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:16:43 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating aliases as an unprivleged user . . . In-Reply-To: <20040813155528.9221.qmail@greens.org> References: <20040813155528.9221.qmail@greens.org> Message-ID: At 3:55 PM +0000 2004-08-13, hesco at greens.org wrote: > Thank you sir. Our installation uses exim. Any models I can > work from for exim? And what about the permissions issue? > Will I have to bother root or accept the security risk of > creating a shell script which will run as root? I'm not aware of any such solutions for Exim, but you should see the FAQ entry at . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Aug 13 21:02:53 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:02:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages stuck in queue after approval In-Reply-To: <411CF886.1060304@juanin.com> References: <411BE489.9010900@juanin.com> <411CB659.6050004@juanin.com> <32A5ADF5-ED41-11D8-A0B7-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> <411CF886.1060304@juanin.com> Message-ID: <61687FB9-ED5B-11D8-A0B7-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On 13 Aug 2004, at 18:21, Juan Nin wrote: > Richard Barrett wrote: > >> Depending on how your MTA is configured and how heavily loaded your >> server is the MTA may refuse a particular connection attempt if, for >> instance, it has reached its concurrent connection limit or the load >> factor on the machine exceeds specified limits. > > Thanks Richard!!! :) > > I'm using Postfix and had "smtpd_recipient_limit = 50" > I changed it to 500 and the e-mails were distributed!!! :) > Your alternative is to assign a reduced value to the SMTP_MAX_RCPTS Mailman config variable in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py from the default value of 500 assigned in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py. A number of contributors to the Mailman lists and the FAQ have suggested the default of 500 is too large and there is no performance advantage in it being set so high, for example see: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.006.htp I am a little surprised that Postfix apparently did not gracefully terminate the attempt to send the message to too large a number of recipients and seems to have just dropped the connection to the client. But I know not wot of Postfix. > thanks again! > > Juan > From theall at tifaware.com Sat Aug 14 03:12:56 2004 From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:12:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correct permissions for mailing list In-Reply-To: <411BDA0E.2020406@thedalzells.org> References: <411BB9EE.3040400@thedalzells.org> <20040812205502.GB20656@tifaware.com> <411BDA0E.2020406@thedalzells.org> Message-ID: <20040814011256.GA2171@tifaware.com> On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 01:58:54PM -0700, Erin Dalzell wrote: > >Have you run bin/check_perms? If so, does it report any problems? > > Yes. No problems reported. Perhaps the file has become corrupt and should be removed; ie, see: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg26164.html George -- theall at tifaware.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Andy From erin at thedalzells.org Sat Aug 14 07:10:14 2004 From: erin at thedalzells.org (Erin Dalzell) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:10:14 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What are those tmp files Message-ID: <3984E613-EDB0-11D8-B51E-003065F12818@thedalzells.org> I have a whole lot of the following files in my list directory, config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.x. Where 'x' is a number that increases. What are those files? Thanks emd ---- http://www.TheDalzells.org - Where We Live From hesco at greens.org Sat Aug 14 07:40:48 2004 From: hesco at greens.org (hesco at greens.org) Date: 14 Aug 2004 05:40:48 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Broken configuration, how do I fix? Message-ID: <20040814054048.13426.qmail@greens.org> Hello: I'm close, but my configuration is slightly broken. The url's are malformed in all of the links, reading: http://http://. . . And the mailing address is the server's smtp server, instead of our own domain name. I see where we fed these values to the ./configure script. Is there a way to tweak a text file and straighten this out, or must we rm the entire installation and start over? -- Hugh From relson at osagesoftware.com Sat Aug 14 21:31:10 2004 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:31:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanctl's usage message Message-ID: <20040814153110.18c12b76@osage.osagesoftware.com> Hi, I don't run mailmanctl very often. Since I don't remember its options, I often start by running "mailmanctl" (with no arguments). When I do so, it's nice enough to print the usage message to stderr. However, I've also noticed that a timestamped copy of the usage message appears in .../mailman/logs/error as well as message "No command given." (also with a timestamp). I took a look at the code and changed the behavior. Here's my patch: --- mailmanctl~ 2004-05-20 16:27:29.000000000 -0400 +++ mailmanctl 2004-08-14 15:24:00.966478400 -0400 @@ -132,7 +132,7 @@ fd = sys.stderr else: fd = sys.stdout - print >> fd, _(__doc__) + print >> sys.stdout, _(__doc__) if msg: print >> fd, msg sys.exit(code) I don't know that this is the _best_ way to handle this. If there's a better way, let me know :-) Regards, David -- David Relson Osage Software Systems, Inc. relson at osagesoftware.com Ann Arbor, MI 48103 www.osagesoftware.com tel: 734.821.8800 From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sat Aug 14 23:26:45 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:26:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanctl's usage message In-Reply-To: <20040814153110.18c12b76@osage.osagesoftware.com> References: <20040814153110.18c12b76@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: You could consider running mailmanctl with the -h/--help option to get the usage printed without logging an error. The Mailman command line scripts are all fairly consistent in having the -h/--help option. On 14 Aug 2004, at 20:31, David Relson wrote: > Hi, > > I don't run mailmanctl very often. Since I don't remember its options, > I often start by running "mailmanctl" (with no arguments). When I do > so, it's nice enough to print the usage message to stderr. However, > I've also noticed that a timestamped copy of the usage message appears > in .../mailman/logs/error as well as message "No command given." (also > with a timestamp). > > I took a look at the code and changed the behavior. Here's my patch: > > --- mailmanctl~ 2004-05-20 16:27:29.000000000 -0400 > +++ mailmanctl 2004-08-14 15:24:00.966478400 -0400 > @@ -132,7 +132,7 @@ > fd = sys.stderr > else: > fd = sys.stdout > - print >> fd, _(__doc__) > + print >> sys.stdout, _(__doc__) > if msg: > print >> fd, msg > sys.exit(code) > > I don't know that this is the _best_ way to handle this. If there's a > better way, let me know :-) > > Regards, > > David > > -- > David Relson Osage Software Systems, Inc. > relson at osagesoftware.com Ann Arbor, MI 48103 > www.osagesoftware.com tel: 734.821.8800 From relson at osagesoftware.com Sun Aug 15 00:54:19 2004 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:54:19 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanctl's usage message In-Reply-To: References: <20040814153110.18c12b76@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: <20040814185419.42494354@osage.osagesoftware.com> On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:26:45 +0100 Richard Barrett wrote: > You could consider running mailmanctl with the -h/--help option to get > > the usage printed without logging an error. The Mailman command line > scripts are all fairly consistent in having the -h/--help option. True. I can/should do that. However I've found that the command line scripts are consistently friendly in providing the usage info when no arguments are supplied. I'm just pointing out that writing the usage info to logs/error seems a bit much -- and is easily remedied. Also, the option to provide help/usage info isn't fully standardized across all programs -- some use '-h', others use '--help', and still others use '-?'. Just using the command name is quick and easy and means I don't have to memorize the option for each and every prog. Regards, David > > On 14 Aug 2004, at 20:31, David Relson wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I don't run mailmanctl very often. Since I don't remember its > > options, I often start by running "mailmanctl" (with no arguments). > > When I do so, it's nice enough to print the usage message to stderr. > > However, > > I've also noticed that a timestamped copy of the usage message > > appears in .../mailman/logs/error as well as message "No command > > given." (also with a timestamp). ...[snip]... From mailmanlist at elitists.org Sun Aug 15 05:30:53 2004 From: mailmanlist at elitists.org (F. Even) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:30:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] daylight savings time Message-ID: <411ED8ED.6070205@elitists.org> I have a mailman list running 2.1.4. I'm having an issue where the reported time in the archived message and the archives themselves are an hour behind. Mailman has not adjusted for daylight savings time, and I have no idea why or how to correct this. Any input would be helpful. Thanks, Frank From rxguitar at comcast.net Sun Aug 15 05:47:23 2004 From: rxguitar at comcast.net (marci and rex) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:47:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help telling people how to set defaults Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20040814223911.05605e88@mail.comcast.net> Hey all, Please forgive me if this question has been answered a million times already. I didnt see anything in the archives that covered this. My business partner and I run a website for porcelain artists and have recently signed on to a new server that is using Mailman version 2.1.4 . Our old mailing list was really basic and didnt support styled text , so all of our listers had to set their email defaults for plain text... Now with the new Mailman program, I want to be able to take advantage of the capability of styled text and even embedded photos but I am having a real problem with figuring out how we need to set this up. I have currently defaulted everybody getting the digests to plain text ( I originally defaulted everyone to MIME) .....the problem is that , no matter how I set the defaults on my end , some of our listers are getting styled mail perfectly while others are getting either scrubbed attachments or attachments that have to be individually opened... Can anybody clue me in as to how our listers have to set their email defaults so that they can all view styled text properly ? Thanks in advance... marci PPIO.com ( Porcelain Painters International Online ) From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sun Aug 15 14:46:49 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:46:49 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help telling people how to set defaults In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20040814223911.05605e88@mail.comcast.net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20040814223911.05605e88@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: At 10:47 PM -0500 2004-08-14, marci and rex wrote: > I have currently defaulted everybody getting the digests to plain > text ( I originally defaulted everyone to MIME) .....the problem is > that , no matter how I set the defaults on my end , some of our > listers are getting styled mail perfectly while others are getting > either scrubbed attachments or attachments that have to be > individually opened... This is almost certainly an MUA problem. Some understand MIME-formatted digests, some don't. And MIME formatting can cause havoc with attachments, footers, HTML formatting, so-called "styled text", etc.... If you can force everyone to use precisely the same program (and version) on precisely the same operating system (and version), you might be able to find a solution to this problem through trial-and-error. Otherwise, see . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From ulisavi at tin.it Sun Aug 15 22:04:25 2004 From: ulisavi at tin.it (Ulisse) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:04:25 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Banner and Complex code in header and footer Message-ID: <001e01c48303$11ccee00$8b3ffea9@system> At the moment i can insert, such as header and footer, in the messages sent via Mailman Mailing lists only pure text and links. Is it possible, for the administrator/moderator of the lists, to insert images, html code, banner, java feed or other complex code, such as header and footer, in every message sent via Mailman Mailing lists ??? If yes. If it is possible... What is the system ??? Have you some instructions ? A link ? Exist an rpm or a modification ??? From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sun Aug 15 23:11:25 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 23:11:25 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Banner and Complex code in header and footer In-Reply-To: <001e01c48303$11ccee00$8b3ffea9@system> References: <001e01c48303$11ccee00$8b3ffea9@system> Message-ID: At 10:04 PM +0200 2004-08-15, Ulisse wrote: > At the moment i can insert, such as header and footer, in the messages > sent via Mailman Mailing lists only pure text and links. Is it possible, > for the administrator/moderator of the lists, to insert images, html > code, banner, java feed or other complex code, such as header and > footer, in every message sent via Mailman Mailing lists ??? If you had bothered to follow the instructions at , you should have been able to find (without too much trouble) the FAQ entry at . > If yes. If it is possible... What is the system ??? Have you some > instructions ? A link ? Exist an rpm or a modification ??? See above. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From kmauz at fh-konstanz.de Mon Aug 16 13:03:31 2004 From: kmauz at fh-konstanz.de (Konrad Mauz) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:03:31 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 and virtualdomains and/or subdomains Message-ID: <20040816110330.GP27086@rz-ap-mauz.fh-konstanz.de> Hi, I'm trying to setting up mailman and having trouble with virtualdomains and subdomains. I need a listing name schema of: xyz at a.fh-konstanz.de xyz at b.fh-konstanz.de xyz at c.fh-konstanz.de and so on. but I can only have "one" xyz list, since the domainname is not part of the "listname" My first workaround was: xyz at a.fh-konstanz.de is a-xyz at fh-konstanz.de and maps with sendmails virtusers and aliases database. Then I change the preferred hostname in the list configuration to a.fh-konstanz.de, but the sender adress is now a-xyz at a.fh-konstanz.de. Is there a better way to handle lists with equal names but different domain/subdomain names? With kind regards, Konrad -- Konrad Mauz Rechenzentrum Fachhochschule Braunegger-Strasse 55, D 78462 Konstanz e-mail: kmauz at fh-konstanz.de Tel.: +49(0)7531-206-472 From zzizzle at zzizzle.com Mon Aug 16 13:23:09 2004 From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com (zzizzle at zzizzle.com) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 04:23:09 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Banner and Complex code in header and footer In-Reply-To: <20040816100105.84E241E4018@bag.python.org> References: <20040816100105.84E241E4018@bag.python.org> Message-ID: I have to say I have the same questions. I think this is a valid question and the stuff on these links only confuses me more. I love this system, and I only vaguely seem to remember about 11 subliminal messages that basically tell you no - that this system isn't designed for those frills. If that's not the case, could someone please answer this question in a way people like me can understand? I am not a programmer, and I think a lot of these links are confusing to non-programmers. I still have a list of questions I can't seem to get answered (for myself), but am still thrilled with the system and have been making it work in a way that I love. For instance: 1) Can you add an html header to the emails? I still don't get it. I read the links you provided, and their sub-links. 2) Is there a way so people subscribing don't go back into that archaic interface - when it asks them to accept or decline the list it's flat out confusing - text overwhelm - my user base is consumers and not programmers. Why should a) they have too choose or deny when they are clicking on a link to confirm? It should just confirm them without another button text and w/o text overwhelm. and b) it takes them back to a list of all my lists, which I hate, or at least would like to have the option of avoiding, if I am not intending to mix all my subscribers. I don't want them to have the option of joining other groups unless I intend to give it to them. 3) I don't understand if you can attach PDFs where it says, i.e. to new subscribers, etc. When I attach one, it just inserts garble into the text box once the PDF file is uploaded. I can't tell if this is an error, or what, and if I can include additional text. Thanks, guys! Jonathan On Aug 16, 2004, at 3:01 AM, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote: > > At 10:04 PM +0200 2004-08-15, Ulisse wrote: > >> At the moment i can insert, such as header and footer, in the >> messages >> sent via Mailman Mailing lists only pure text and links. Is it >> possible, >> for the administrator/moderator of the lists, to insert images, html >> code, banner, java feed or other complex code, such as header and >> footer, in every message sent via Mailman Mailing lists ??? > > If you had bothered to follow the instructions at > req=show&file=faq01.022.htp>, you should have been able to find > (without too much trouble) the FAQ entry at > req=show&file=faq03.037.htp>. > >> If yes. If it is possible... What is the system ??? Have you some >> instructions ? A link ? Exist an rpm or a modification ??? > > See above. From pbgfx at mac.com Mon Aug 16 13:50:22 2004 From: pbgfx at mac.com (PeteBell) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:50:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Banner and Complex code in header and footer In-Reply-To: References: <20040816100105.84E241E4018@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <742BDE30-EF7A-11D8-BB9B-0003933EA39A@mac.com> On 16 Aug 2004, at 12:23, zzizzle at zzizzle.com wrote: > If that's not the case, could someone please answer this question in a > way people like me can understand? I am not a programmer, and I think > a lot of these links are confusing to non-programmers..... Previous message from Brad: > If you had bothered to follow the instructions........ I have to say I agree with what zzizzle is hinting at. Although the mailman-users list is for users of all degrees of experience, I think that some of the answers given to new inexperienced users are quite rude and short-tempered - especially considering that many of us are not programmers and find Mailman a very complex subject. Often answers are NOT easy to find in the archives, especially when the questions are sometimes difficult to phrase! Thank you for listening. Sometimes the old "count to ten" principle wouldn't hurt. PeteBell, UK From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Aug 16 14:05:35 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:05:35 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 and virtualdomains and/or subdomains In-Reply-To: <20040816110330.GP27086@rz-ap-mauz.fh-konstanz.de> References: <20040816110330.GP27086@rz-ap-mauz.fh-konstanz.de> Message-ID: At 1:03 PM +0200 2004-08-16, Konrad Mauz wrote: > but I can only have "one" xyz list, since the domainname is not part of > the "listname" If you had bothered to follow the instructions in the Mailman FAQ at , you should have fairly easily found the FAQ entry at which addresses this issue. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Aug 16 14:22:33 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:22:33 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Banner and Complex code in header and footer In-Reply-To: References: <20040816100105.84E241E4018@bag.python.org> Message-ID: At 4:23 AM -0700 2004-08-16, zzizzle at zzizzle.com wrote: > For instance: > 1) Can you add an html header to the emails? I still don't get it. > I read the links you provided, and their sub-links. You can add a header or footer, but they cannot include HTML. Not all messages posted to the list would necessarily be in HTML, so blindly adding HTML would not make sense. Moreover, due to the way HTML is handled differently by different programs, it would be impossible to add a single piece of HTML that would be seen the same way by everyone. When you start adding fancy features like HTML and MIME, it becomes impossible to add *anything* of any sort to the message which doesn't risk looking different to some users, or even being completely unreadable to them. This is why Mailman supports converting HTML and MIME to plain text, but not the other way around. > 2) Is there a way so people subscribing don't go back into that archaic > interface - when it asks them to accept or decline the list it's flat > out confusing - text overwhelm - my user base is consumers and not > programmers. Nope. Not unless you want to build something better. > Why should a) they have too choose or deny when they are clicking on > a link to confirm? Because sometimes users click on things and didn't mean to? Haven't you ever accidentally selected the "shutdown" item on your menu, and then been very glad when the machine asked you if this is what you really wanted to do? > It should just confirm them without another button > text and w/o text overwhelm. and b) it takes them back to a list of all > my lists, which I hate, or at least would like to have the option of > avoiding, if I am not intending to mix all my subscribers. I don't > want them to have the option of joining other groups unless I intend > to give it to them. Mailman is not designed to hide everything else on the machine from your users, unless you want to make all those other lists completely hidden from everyone. There is a limit to how much stupidity that Mailman can protect the users from doing to themselves. Now, if you wanted to contribute code back to the project to do this sort of thing, I'm sure that Barry would be glad to accept whatever patches you might have, and there might be some hope that they'd be included in some future version. > 3) I don't understand if you can attach PDFs where it says, i.e. to > new subscribers, etc. When I attach one, it just inserts garble into > the text box once the PDF file is uploaded. I can't tell if this is > an error, or what, and if I can include additional text. I don't understand what you're asking. Can you be more clear? -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Aug 16 14:27:17 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:27:17 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Banner and Complex code in header and footer In-Reply-To: <742BDE30-EF7A-11D8-BB9B-0003933EA39A@mac.com> References: <20040816100105.84E241E4018@bag.python.org> <742BDE30-EF7A-11D8-BB9B-0003933EA39A@mac.com> Message-ID: At 12:50 PM +0100 2004-08-16, PeteBell wrote: > I think > that some of the answers given to new inexperienced users are quite > rude and short-tempered - especially considering that many of us are > not programmers and find Mailman a very complex subject. I'm not a programmer, either. If you want the list for programmers, that would be mailman-developers, not mailman-users. > Often answers > are NOT easy to find in the archives, especially when the questions > are sometimes difficult to phrase! The problem is that many users are obviously just not reading the FAQ, or making any attempt to search the FAQ or the archives. Just giving them the answer encourages them to come back and use me (or someone else) as a FAQ search engine yet once again. They need to be given encouragement to go find the answers themselves. They need to be told that the answer is in the FAQ, and that if they had searched the FAQ, they would have found the answer, and been able to avoid bothering all the rest of us. Otherwise, there is no use for the FAQ or the archives, and we should just delete them because they are a waste of space. This is the classic "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime". These people need to learn to fish. > Thank you for listening. Sometimes the old "count to ten" principle > wouldn't hurt. Counting to ten wouldn't help if the original poster doesn't bother to search the FAQ or the archives, and yet the answer is easily found there. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Aug 16 14:42:14 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:42:14 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Banner and Complex code in header and footer In-Reply-To: References: <20040816100105.84E241E4018@bag.python.org> <742BDE30-EF7A-11D8-BB9B-0003933EA39A@mac.com> Message-ID: At 2:27 PM +0200 2004-08-16, Brad Knowles wrote: >> Thank you for listening. Sometimes the old "count to ten" principle >> wouldn't hurt. > > Counting to ten wouldn't help if the original poster doesn't bother > to search the FAQ or the archives, and yet the answer is easily found > there. I've been thinking about this a bit more. I can change the stock answer I give to the following: This is a FAQ (Frequently Asked Question). Please search the FAQ Wizard and the archives of this mailing list in accordance with the FAQ entry at . If you have done so and still not found the answer to your question(s), please let us know what your problem is and what you searched for, and we should be able to update the FAQ Wizard to suit. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From kmauz at fh-konstanz.de Mon Aug 16 15:37:33 2004 From: kmauz at fh-konstanz.de (Konrad Mauz) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:37:33 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 and virtualdomains and/or subdomains In-Reply-To: References: <20040816110330.GP27086@rz-ap-mauz.fh-konstanz.de> Message-ID: <20040816133733.GQ27086@rz-ap-mauz.fh-konstanz.de> On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 02:05:35PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 1:03 PM +0200 2004-08-16, Konrad Mauz wrote: > > > but I can only have "one" xyz list, since the domainname is not part of > > the "listname" > > If you had bothered to follow the instructions in the Mailman FAQ > at > , > you should have fairly easily found the FAQ entry at > > which addresses this issue. sorry... if I had search the FAQ with more care, I should have found this page. Is there a change, that "complete" virtual domain support with "seperated namespaces" will be implemented in a future release of Mailman? Regards, Konrad -- Konrad Mauz Rechenzentrum Fachhochschule Braunegger-Strasse 55, D 78462 Konstanz e-mail: kmauz at fh-konstanz.de Tel.: +49(0)7531-206-472 From theall at tifaware.com Mon Aug 16 16:03:10 2004 From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:03:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What are those tmp files In-Reply-To: <3984E613-EDB0-11D8-B51E-003065F12818@thedalzells.org> References: <3984E613-EDB0-11D8-B51E-003065F12818@thedalzells.org> Message-ID: <20040816140310.GA19622@tifaware.com> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 10:10:14PM -0700, Erin Dalzell wrote: > I have a whole lot of the following files in my list directory, > config.pck.tmp.thedalzells.org.x. Where 'x' is a number that increases. > > What are those files? Based on my admittedly limited understanding of Python, they seem to be scratch files created while trying to pickle the list config and rotate the old one. [Take a look at __save() in Mailman/MailList.py.] I imagine you can move them out of the way / remove them without any problem. George -- theall at tifaware.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040816/ceda328a/attachment.pgp From stephen at xemacs.org Mon Aug 16 16:07:01 2004 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:07:01 +0900 Subject: How to respond to FAQs [was: [Mailman-Users] Banner and Complex code ...] In-Reply-To: (Brad Knowles's message of "Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:42:14 +0200") References: <20040816100105.84E241E4018@bag.python.org> <742BDE30-EF7A-11D8-BB9B-0003933EA39A@mac.com> Message-ID: <87u0v39ny2.fsf_-_@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> >>>>> "Brad" == Brad Knowles writes: Brad> I've been thinking about this a bit more. I can Brad> change the stock answer I give to the following: This is a FAQ (Frequently Asked Question). Please search the FAQ Wizard and the archives of this mailing list in accordance with the FAQ entry at . If you have done so and still not found the answer to your question(s), please let us know what your problem is and what you searched for, and we should be able to update the FAQ Wizard to suit. I think this is genuinely rude. "I know the answer but I'm not going to tell you until you prove you've jumped through some hoops." I suggest that you merely change the phrase "if you had bothered to follow" to "if you had followed", or to "by following", in the current formula. The presumption that the person had not read the FAQ or the archives is valid with rather high probability, and the implication that they should learn to do so certainly is appropriate. It's abrupt, but the "polite" alternative is a personal admonition in private mail, a waste of time all around. The presumption that they should have known better is unwarranted, IMO, and is better avoided. In most cases newbie rudeness is due to simple ignorance of the mores. Many thanks for the wonderful service you are providing for the community! -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From grnbrg at gmail.com Mon Aug 16 16:16:37 2004 From: grnbrg at gmail.com (Brian Greenberg) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:16:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fix: OutgoingRunner qrunner crash with multiple slices enabled. Message-ID: <2f30f34504081607165e212812@mail.gmail.com> Mailman 2.1.5 on Solaris 8, with Python 2.3.3. I was getting the following errors in logs/error and logs/qrunner: error: Aug 13 15:16:53 2004 qrunner(7657): Traceback (most recent call last): Aug 13 15:16:53 2004 qrunner(7657): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? Aug 13 15:16:53 2004 qrunner(7657): main() Aug 13 15:16:53 2004 qrunner(7657): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main Aug 13 15:16:53 2004 qrunner(7657): qrunner.run() Aug 13 15:16:53 2004 qrunner(7657): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 70, in run Aug 13 15:16:53 2004 qrunner(7657): filecnt = self._oneloop() Aug 13 15:16:53 2004 qrunner(7657): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 99, in _oneloop Aug 13 15:16:53 2004 qrunner(7657): msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) Aug 13 15:16:53 2004 qrunner(7657): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 144, in dequeue Aug 13 15:16:53 2004 qrunner(7657): os.unlink(filename) Aug 13 15:16:53 2004 qrunner(7657): OSError : [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/priv/mail/mailman/qfiles/out/1092428211.4786341+bad1265375ae36cc455fc7e521e9c39c09a29558.pck' qrunner: Aug 13 15:16:53 2004 (29188) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 7657, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 3/4) [restarting] Aug 13 15:16:54 2004 (7005) OutgoingRunner qrunner started. with Aug 08 05:35:34 2004 (716) Qrunner OutgoingRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting. showing up eventually, followed by mail building up in the outgoing queue. I was running four OutgoingRunner instances, set in mm_cfg.py with: QRUNNERS = [ ('ArchRunner', 1), # messages for the archiver ('BounceRunner', 1), # for processing the qfile/bounces directory ('CommandRunner', 1), # commands and bounces from the outside world ('IncomingRunner', 1), # posts from the outside world ('NewsRunner', 1), # outgoing messages to the nntpd ('OutgoingRunner', 4), # outgoing messages to the smtpd ('VirginRunner', 1), # internally crafted (virgin birth) messages ('RetryRunner', 1), # retry temporarily failed deliveries ] The problem is a logic error in mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, and is fixed with a one-line patch. The problem is: In Switchboard.py:__init__, the upper and lower bounds (self.__upper and self.__lower) are both set to "None" if there is only a single instance of the qrunner class in question, and to the correct upper and lower bounds of each subslice if there is more than one. In Switchboard.py:files (which returns a list of all files in the queue directory that this qrunner instance is to process) the statement that rejects files that are not within the bounds of this qrunner instance has a logic error. The line in question: if not lower or (lower <= long(digest, 16) < upper ) : can be read as "If this is a single instance qrunner (because lower is set to "None", and therefore false) or if the file is within the upper and lower bounds of this instance, add it to the list of files." The problem is that the first slice of any multi-slice qrunner has a lower bound of 0, and (not 0) evaluates as true. This results in slice 0 of any multi-slice qrunner trying to grab files from the entire queue, rather than it's assigned portion, resulting in a race condition and the crash of one of the qrunners when slice 0 and slice n try to process the same file at the same time. Patch: *** Switchboard.py Fri Aug 13 16:43:12 2004 --- Switchboard.py_new Fri Aug 13 16:43:48 2004 *************** *** 164,170 **** when, digest = filebase.split('+') # Throw out any files which don't match our bitrange. BAW: test # performance and end-cases of this algorithm. ! if not lower or (lower <= long(digest, 16) < upper): times[float(when)] = filebase # FIFO sort keys = times.keys() --- 164,170 ---- when, digest = filebase.split('+') # Throw out any files which don't match our bitrange. BAW: test # performance and end-cases of this algorithm. ! if (lower == upper) or (lower <= long(digest, 16) < upper): times[float(when)] = filebase # FIFO sort keys = times.keys() Thanks! Brian. -- Brian Greenberg grnbrg at gmail.com From rechlin at ca.stilo.com Mon Aug 16 16:47:44 2004 From: rechlin at ca.stilo.com (Robert Echlin) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:47:44 -0400 Subject: How to respond to FAQs [was: [Mailman-Users] Banner and Complexcode ...] References: <20040816100105.84E241E4018@bag.python.org><742BDE30-EF7A-11D8-BB9B-0003933EA39A@mac.com> <87u0v39ny2.fsf_-_@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: <006801c4839f$fd56cf20$ef02430a@dustpuppy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" To: "Brad Knowles" Cc: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:07 AM Subject: How to respond to FAQs [was: [Mailman-Users] Banner and Complexcode ...] > >>>>> "Brad" == Brad Knowles writes: > > Brad> I've been thinking about this a bit more. I can > Brad> change the stock answer I give to the following: > > This is a FAQ (Frequently Asked Question). Please search the > FAQ Wizard and the archives of this mailing list in accordance > with the FAQ entry at > . > > If you have done so and still not found the answer to your > question(s), please let us know what your problem is and what > you searched for, and we should be able to update the FAQ > Wizard to suit. > > I think this is genuinely rude. "I know the answer but I'm not going > to tell you until you prove you've jumped through some hoops." > > I suggest that you merely change the phrase "if you had bothered to > follow" to "if you had followed", or to "by following", in the current > formula. The presumption that the person had not read the FAQ or the > archives is valid with rather high probability, and the implication > that they should learn to do so certainly is appropriate. It's > abrupt, but the "polite" alternative is a personal admonition in > private mail, a waste of time all around. > > The presumption that they should have known better is unwarranted, > IMO, and is better avoided. In most cases newbie rudeness is due to > simple ignorance of the mores. > > Many thanks for the wonderful service you are providing for the > community! > I like Stephen's suggestion. I think you should let them know where the answer is, and let them know that the FAQ Wizard is the place to look before posting to the list. They will automatically look at the other titles on the list, over time, once they know they exist. Obviously, in the rush to fix something that's broken, they won't have time to read the whole FAQ immediately. Stephen, I think what you call "Newbie rudeness" is NOT ignorance of the mores. It is simply not yet knowing the resources. After all, it is not even the official FAQ, it is not hosted on the same site as the MailMan project, it has an odd name. Certainly it was not on my radar before I joined the list. And I had no reason to read FAQ entry 1.22, or even notice that it existed. And no, I didn't notice the Wizard was on the same site as the list. Brad, yes, please fix your wording a bit, perhaps: " If you followed the instructions in the Mailman FAQ Wizard at , you should have fairly easily found the FAQ entry at which addresses this issue. " Also, Brad, your pointers to the right spot in the FAQ are extremely valuable, and even more so to people who are pushed backwards into being mail list sysadmins as part of another job, who often don't understand which specific term in the FAQ titles means the same thing as what they are trying to do. Robert From shoffman at westervillelibrary.org Mon Aug 16 17:05:53 2004 From: shoffman at westervillelibrary.org (Shane I. Hoffman) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:05:53 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] failure to find group name nobody Message-ID: <775B97088511A84894A977307020D63351A635@wpl-exchange01.wpl.lib.oh.us> I've seen this question asked a LOT, but had to dig for ages to find the answer. I finally just put 2 and 2 together. I discovered my error on redhat 9.0 using apache 2.x...the web server was running as user nobody and group #-1...dont' use group #-1(the apache default)...I changed it to group nobody and everything fired right up. Usually the "don't use X on these systems" stuff doesn't apply to redhat...seems to this time below is the error I'd receive Mailman CGI error!!! The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: Failure to find group name nobody. Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the command line option --with-cgi-gid. Thought I'd share it with the list. Shane Ian Hoffman Computer Services Librarian Westerville Public Library Phone: 614-882-7277 xt 114 Fax: 614-882-5962 E-Mail: shoffman at westervillelibrary.org From rechlin at ca.stilo.com Mon Aug 16 16:47:44 2004 From: rechlin at ca.stilo.com (Robert Echlin) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:47:44 -0400 Subject: How to respond to FAQs [was: [Mailman-Users] Banner and Complexcode ...] References: <20040816100105.84E241E4018@bag.python.org><742BDE30-EF7A-11D8-BB9B-0003933EA39A@mac.com> <87u0v39ny2.fsf_-_@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: <006801c4839f$fd56cf20$ef02430a@dustpuppy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" To: "Brad Knowles" Cc: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:07 AM Subject: How to respond to FAQs [was: [Mailman-Users] Banner and Complexcode ...] > >>>>> "Brad" == Brad Knowles writes: > > Brad> I've been thinking about this a bit more. I can > Brad> change the stock answer I give to the following: > > This is a FAQ (Frequently Asked Question). Please search the > FAQ Wizard and the archives of this mailing list in accordance > with the FAQ entry at > . > > If you have done so and still not found the answer to your > question(s), please let us know what your problem is and what > you searched for, and we should be able to update the FAQ > Wizard to suit. > > I think this is genuinely rude. "I know the answer but I'm not going > to tell you until you prove you've jumped through some hoops." > > I suggest that you merely change the phrase "if you had bothered to > follow" to "if you had followed", or to "by following", in the current > formula. The presumption that the person had not read the FAQ or the > archives is valid with rather high probability, and the implication > that they should learn to do so certainly is appropriate. It's > abrupt, but the "polite" alternative is a personal admonition in > private mail, a waste of time all around. > > The presumption that they should have known better is unwarranted, > IMO, and is better avoided. In most cases newbie rudeness is due to > simple ignorance of the mores. > > Many thanks for the wonderful service you are providing for the > community! > I like Stephen's suggestion. I think you should let them know where the answer is, and let them know that the FAQ Wizard is the place to look before posting to the list. They will automatically look at the other titles on the list, over time, once they know they exist. Obviously, in the rush to fix something that's broken, they won't have time to read the whole FAQ immediately. Stephen, I think what you call "Newbie rudeness" is NOT ignorance of the mores. It is simply not yet knowing the resources. After all, it is not even the official FAQ, it is not hosted on the same site as the MailMan project, it has an odd name. Certainly it was not on my radar before I joined the list. And I had no reason to read FAQ entry 1.22, or even notice that it existed. And no, I didn't notice the Wizard was on the same site as the list. Brad, yes, please fix your wording a bit, perhaps: " If you followed the instructions in the Mailman FAQ Wizard at , you should have fairly easily found the FAQ entry at which addresses this issue. " Also, Brad, your pointers to the right spot in the FAQ are extremely valuable, and even more so to people who are pushed backwards into being mail list sysadmins as part of another job, who often don't understand which specific term in the FAQ titles means the same thing as what they are trying to do. Robert From Fergus.Donohue at dcu.ie Mon Aug 16 17:26:47 2004 From: Fergus.Donohue at dcu.ie (Fergus Donohue) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:26:47 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.0 to 2.1.5 breaks on pending_subscriptions.db Message-ID: <4120D237.5070006@dcu.ie> Has anyone else come across this and if so what's the solution? I'm running an upgrade of our mailman install in a test environment and it's breaking with the following error. I'm running on Solaris 8 with Python 2.3.4. The 2.0 version of Mailman was using python 1.6. phoenix on old-hawk {731}# ls -la /home/misc/mailman/data/pending_subscriptio> -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Aug 16 14:27 /home/misc/mailman/data/pending_subscriptions.db phoenix on old-hawk {732}# tail -10 fd.ins.3 Updating Mailman 2.0 pending_subscriptions.db database Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 780, in ? errors = main() File "bin/update", line 704, in main update_pending() File "bin/update", line 583, in update_pending addr = data[0].address AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'address' make: *** [update] Error 1 If I dump pending_subscriptions on a box that can dump .db files I get: phoenix {353}# ./dumpdb /tmp/pending_subscriptions.db { 448473: ('emanuel.soreteanonescu2 at mail.dcu.ie', 'cycbtsvf', 0, 1089674437), 'lastculltime': 1089723840} phoenix {354}# Does anyone have any ideas what's going on? Thanks, Fergus. From jeff at look.net Mon Aug 16 17:34:05 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:34:05 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Banner and Complex code in header and footer In-Reply-To: References: <20040816100105.84E241E4018@bag.python.org> <742BDE30-EF7A-11D8-BB9B-0003933EA39A@mac.com> Message-ID: On Aug 16, 2004, at 8:42 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 2:27 PM +0200 2004-08-16, Brad Knowles wrote: > >>> Thank you for listening. Sometimes the old "count to ten" principle >>> wouldn't hurt. >> >> Counting to ten wouldn't help if the original poster doesn't bother >> to search the FAQ or the archives, and yet the answer is easily found >> there. > > I've been thinking about this a bit more. I can change the stock > answer I give to the following: > > This is a FAQ (Frequently Asked Question). Please search the > FAQ Wizard and the archives of this mailing list in accordance > with the FAQ entry at > req=show&file=faq01.022.htp>. > > If you have done so and still not found the answer to your > question(s), please let us know what your problem is and what > you searched for, and we should be able to update the FAQ > Wizard to suit. > FWIW, I liked it better before. Short, direct, to the point. -Jeff From jwblist at olympus.net Mon Aug 16 19:17:04 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:17:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Banner and Complex code in header and footer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/16/2004 5:42, "Brad Knowles" wrote: > I've been thinking about this a bit more. I can change the stock > answer I give to the following: > > This is a FAQ (Frequently Asked Question). Please search the > FAQ Wizard and the archives of this mailing list in accordance > with the FAQ entry at > . > > If you have done so and still not found the answer to your > question(s), please let us know what your problem is and what > you searched for, and we should be able to update the FAQ > Wizard to suit. There's another case, besides answer not found: the answer was found in the FAQ but not understood. That should probably be accounted for in the final paragraph of your response. --John From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Aug 16 19:22:57 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:22:57 +0200 Subject: How to respond to FAQs [was: [Mailman-Users] Banner and Complex code ...] In-Reply-To: <87u0v39ny2.fsf_-_@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <20040816100105.84E241E4018@bag.python.org> <742BDE30-EF7A-11D8-BB9B-0003933EA39A@mac.com> <87u0v39ny2.fsf_-_@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: At 11:07 PM +0900 2004-08-16, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > I suggest that you merely change the phrase "if you had bothered to > follow" to "if you had followed", or to "by following", in the current > formula. Will do. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Aug 16 19:20:47 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:20:47 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 and virtualdomains and/or subdomains In-Reply-To: <20040816133733.GQ27086@rz-ap-mauz.fh-konstanz.de> References: <20040816110330.GP27086@rz-ap-mauz.fh-konstanz.de> <20040816133733.GQ27086@rz-ap-mauz.fh-konstanz.de> Message-ID: At 3:37 PM +0200 2004-08-16, Konrad Mauz wrote: > Is there a change, that "complete" virtual domain support with > "seperated namespaces" will be implemented in a future release of > Mailman? This might happen with Mailman 3, yes. You'd have to talk to Barry about where this is on the "wish/priority list". -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From mail.python.org at globalproportions.com Tue Aug 17 06:16:03 2004 From: mail.python.org at globalproportions.com (jd jones) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:16:03 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?windows-1252?q?Hide_email_address=2C_but_show_?= =?windows-1252?q?the_sender=92s_name?= Message-ID: Hi, Confused as heck, but how as an administrator of the list, can I hide email address, but show the sender?s name? We don?t want to broadcast the sender?s email address, but this leaves us in the distasteful position of not knowing who the email is coming from. Example: ?Hi, there was a break-in near my house yesterday. Please send more security. I am seventy-two years old. I don?t understand this mailing list.? Everyone on the list wonders, ?Who sent this? What is the person?s name? The email address is, of course, private.? This forces us to add a header to the messages saying ?Don?t forget to add your name?. This header comes through (sometimes) as an attachment. This is awkward for everyone. This goes round and round. Help, Thank you very much. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.709 / Virus Database: 465 - Release Date: 6/22/2004 From stephen at xemacs.org Tue Aug 17 07:34:42 2004 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:34:42 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: How to respond to FAQs In-Reply-To: <006801c4839f$fd56cf20$ef02430a@dustpuppy> (Robert Echlin's message of "Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:47:44 -0400") References: <20040816100105.84E241E4018@bag.python.org> <742BDE30-EF7A-11D8-BB9B-0003933EA39A@mac.com> <87u0v39ny2.fsf_-_@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <006801c4839f$fd56cf20$ef02430a@dustpuppy> Message-ID: <877jry9vkd.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> >>>>> "Robert" == Robert Echlin writes: Robert> Stephen, I think what you call "Newbie rudeness" is NOT Robert> ignorance of the mores. It is simply not yet knowing the Robert> resources. If you like. But that implies ignorance of the mores, as I understand them. The FAQ and list archive impose reciprocal obligations: on the maintainers, to provide them, and on the users, to _find_ and use them. As for calling it "newbie rudeness", maybe there's a better term. But the psychological impact on a FAQmeister is similar to rudeness, and "sometimes" counting to ten, as PeteBell suggests, is not an answer. Pete's own post signled out a form post that often appears several times in a single day. "Counting to ten" several times a day, every day, is not "common courtesy", it's "job stress". And the FAQmeister, not being paid, is not eligible for workman's comp.<0.5 wink> -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From aaron at mutualaid.org Tue Aug 17 16:06:01 2004 From: aaron at mutualaid.org (aaron) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:06:01 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unable to remove subscriber Message-ID: <1200DB2529DE4D46985CBAA70DBED2C9129836@balance.partners-intl.net> somehow i ended up with a malformed address in one of my lists (it has a double @@ in the address) and am unable to remove it. i am using Mailman 2.1.2. here is the error i'm getting: # ./remove_members thelistname person@@hotmail.com Traceback (most recent call last): File "./remove_members", line 186, in ? main() File "./remove_members", line 176, in main admin_notif, userack) File "/home/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py", line 941, in ApprovedDeleteMember self.removeMember(emailaddr) File "/home/mailman//Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 220, in removeMember self.__assertIsMember(member) File "/home/mailman//Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 113, in __assertIsMember raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: person@ if you have any ideas, please cc: me directly on your response. thanks, aaron From msapiro at value.net Tue Aug 17 16:28:29 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:28:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hide email address, but show the senders name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: jd jones wrote: > >Confused as heck, but how as an administrator of the list, can I hide email >address, but show the sender?s name? You'd probably have to hack the Python code. >We don?t want to broadcast the sender?s email address, but this leaves us in >the distasteful position of not knowing who the email is coming from. >This forces us to add a header to the messages saying ?Don?t forget to add >your name?. Signing posts is the appropriate and polite thing to do. Would you send a postal mail letter and rely only on the return address on the envelope to show who it's from? >This header comes through (sometimes) as an attachment. This is covered in the FAQ. Searching the FAQ for "attachment" will return article 4.39 (among others) which addresses this. Search the FAQ via the FAQ Wizzard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mailing at caranta.com Tue Aug 17 17:50:55 2004 From: mailing at caranta.com (Mailing Caranta) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:50:55 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] File attachement problems after install Mailman Message-ID: <200408171550.i7HFooqP025496@caranta.com> Hi, I have a problem that appeared just after installing Mailman. I have a cron job that sends a picture every day to some of my users. To do this I use : cat picture.jpg |uuencode picture.jpg|mail user at domain.com I used to work perfectly, but now, the received mail hasn't the image attached to it. Instead of this, the mail has in plain text (as body) the Uuencoded file (Begin ----, etc, etc) Did someone got this error ? Hope I didn't annoyed people in here if the question is off-topic ... Best Regards, ------------------------------ Arthur CARANTA http://www.caranta.com ------------------------------ From msapiro at value.net Tue Aug 17 18:20:37 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:20:37 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] File attachement problems after install Mailman In-Reply-To: <200408171550.i7HFooqP025496@caranta.com> Message-ID: Mailing Caranta wrote: > >I have a problem that appeared just after installing Mailman. > >I have a cron job that sends a picture every day to some of my users. >To do this I use : > >cat picture.jpg |uuencode picture.jpg|mail user at domain.com Piping the file into uuencode with cat is an unnecessary step; you could just do uuencode picture.jpg picture.jpg|mail user at domain.com but this has nothing to do with your problem. > >I used to work perfectly, but now, the received mail hasn't the image >attached to it. >Instead of this, the mail has in plain text (as body) the Uuencoded file >(Begin ----, etc, etc) It is highly unlikely that this has anything to do with Mailman. The received mail you describe is exactly what a mail message containing a uuencoded file normally looks like. Whether you see the uuencoded file as "raw text" or as an attachment depends on the MUA that you use to view the mail. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mailing at caranta.com Wed Aug 18 01:24:23 2004 From: mailing at caranta.com (Mailing Caranta) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:24:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] File attachement problems after install Mailman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200408172324.i7HNOMqP003722@caranta.com> Oki, you're right, I changed a few things, and, even though I don't get why it didn't work, I can send mail to my users normally ... Except when it come to be sent to a mailman list address :( When I do this, I get once again the uuencoded attachement as raw text in the body. I noticed this, in the cource of the sent mail : **************************************************************************** ************************* Return-Path: Received: from minixer.caranta.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by caranta.com (8.12.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7HNFcqP003544; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:15:38 +0200 Received: from caranta.com (minixer.lan.local [192.168.10.1]) by caranta.com (8.12.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7HNF9qP003510 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:15:09 +0200 Received: (from arthur at localhost) by caranta.com (8.12.8/8.12.5/Submit) id i7HNF8g9003508 for lechat at caranta.com; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:15:08 +0200 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:15:08 +0200 From: Arthur CARANTA Message-Id: <200408172315.i7HNF8g9003508 at caranta.com> To: lechat at caranta.com X-caranta.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-caranta.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.234, required 5, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.67, BAYES_00 -4.90), not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.923, required 5, AWL -4.91, MIME_HEADER_CTYPE_ONLY 2.23, UNWANTED_LANGUAGE_BODY 2.80, UPPERCASE_50_75 0.00, V_NO_VOWEL_7 0.70, V_NO_VOWEL_8 1.10, V_NO_VOWEL_9 0.50, V_VERY_LONG_WORD_2 0.50) Cc: Subject: [Lechat] [2004-08-18] Le chat du jour X-BeenThere: lechat at www.caranta.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lechat at caranta.com List-Id: lechat.www.caranta.com List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1423464382==" Sender: lechat-bounces at caranta.com Errors-To: lechat-bounces at caranta.com X-caranta.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-From: lechat-bounces at www.caranta.com Status: --===============1423464382== Voici le chat du 2004-08-18 begin 664 2004-08-18- Le chat.jpg M_]C_X``02D9)1@`!`0```0`!``#_VP!#``@&!@<&!0@'!P<)"0@*#!0-#`L+ M#!D2$P\4'1H?'AT:'!P@)"XG("(L(QP<*#'KC;YVA::^T87-JG`_*H&\$^%G; -----Message d'origine----- > De : Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net] > Envoy? : mardi 17 ao?t 2004 18:21 > ? : Mailing Caranta; mailman-users at python.org > Objet : Re: [Mailman-Users] File attachement problems after > install Mailman > > Mailing Caranta wrote: > > > >I have a problem that appeared just after installing Mailman. > > > >I have a cron job that sends a picture every day to some of my users. > >To do this I use : > > > >cat picture.jpg |uuencode picture.jpg|mail user at domain.com > > Piping the file into uuencode with cat is an unnecessary step; you > could just do > > uuencode picture.jpg picture.jpg|mail user at domain.com > > but this has nothing to do with your problem. > > > > >I used to work perfectly, but now, the received mail hasn't the image > >attached to it. > >Instead of this, the mail has in plain text (as body) the > Uuencoded file > >(Begin ----, etc, etc) > > It is highly unlikely that this has anything to do with Mailman. > > The received mail you describe is exactly what a mail message > containing a uuencoded file normally looks like. Whether you see the > uuencoded file as "raw text" or as an attachment depends on the MUA > that you use to view the mail. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > From mailing at caranta.com Wed Aug 18 01:35:16 2004 From: mailing at caranta.com (Mailing Caranta) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:35:16 +0200 Subject: TR: [Mailman-Users] File attachement problems after install Mailman Message-ID: <200408172335.i7HNZEqP004135@caranta.com> oups, sorry for previous post, file got attached, as it shouldn't have been :( > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Mailing Caranta [mailto:mailing at caranta.com] > Envoy? : mercredi 18 ao?t 2004 01:24 > ? : 'mailman-users at python.org' > Objet : RE: [Mailman-Users] File attachement problems after > install Mailman > > Oki, you're right, I changed a few things, and, even though I > don't get why it didn't work, I can send mail to my users normally ... > > Except when it come to be sent to a mailman list address :( > > When I do this, I get once again the uuencoded attachement as > raw text in the body. > > I noticed this, in the cource of the sent mail : > ************************************************************** > *************************************** > Return-Path: > Received: from minixer.caranta.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > by caranta.com (8.12.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7HNFcqP003544; > Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:15:38 +0200 > Received: from caranta.com (minixer.lan.local [192.168.10.1]) > by caranta.com (8.12.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7HNF9qP003510 > for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:15:09 +0200 > Received: (from arthur at localhost) > by caranta.com (8.12.8/8.12.5/Submit) id i7HNF8g9003508 > for lechat at caranta.com; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:15:08 +0200 > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:15:08 +0200 > From: Arthur CARANTA > Message-Id: <200408172315.i7HNF8g9003508 at caranta.com> > To: lechat at caranta.com > X-caranta.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean > X-caranta.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), > SpamAssassin (score=-3.234, required 5, autolearn=not > spam, AWL 1.67, > BAYES_00 -4.90), not spam (whitelisted), > SpamAssassin (score=2.923, required 5, AWL -4.91, > MIME_HEADER_CTYPE_ONLY 2.23, UNWANTED_LANGUAGE_BODY 2.80, > UPPERCASE_50_75 0.00, V_NO_VOWEL_7 0.70, V_NO_VOWEL_8 1.10, > V_NO_VOWEL_9 0.50, V_VERY_LONG_WORD_2 0.50) > Cc: > Subject: [Lechat] [2004-08-18] Le chat du jour > X-BeenThere: lechat at www.caranta.com > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 > Precedence: list > Reply-To: lechat at caranta.com > List-Id: lechat.www.caranta.com > List-Unsubscribe: > , > > List-Post: > List-Help: > List-Subscribe: , > > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1423464382==" > Sender: lechat-bounces at caranta.com > Errors-To: lechat-bounces at caranta.com > X-caranta.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP > for more information > X-MailScanner-From: lechat-bounces at www.caranta.com > Status: > > --===============1423464382== > > Voici le chat du 2004-08-18 > b(e)gin 664 2004-08-18- Le chat.jpg (<< the b(e)gin is no mistake ;) ) > M_]C_X``02D9)1@`!`0```0`!``#_VP!#``@&!@<&!0@'!P<)"0@*#!0-#`L+ > M#!D2$P\4'1H?'AT:'!P@)"XG("(L(QP<*# (...cut here...) > MX]:T]EZ9%RG^-,F\*>'KC;YVA::^T87-JG`_*H&\$^%G; $4`?_V0`` > ` > end > > --===============1423464382== > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: inline > > _______________________________________________ > Lechat mailing list > Lechat at www.caranta.com > http://minixer.caranta.com/mailman/listinfo/lechat > > --===============1423464382==-- > ************************************************************** > *************************************** > > The mailing list bottom lines are seen as attahced files, > whereas the pic itself doesn't ... > I have never ever tryied this before, but is it possible that > MIME and uuencode attachements are in the very same email ? > > > Best Regards, > ------------------------------ > Arthur CARANTA > mailing at caranta.com > http://www.caranta.com > ------------------------------ > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net] > > Envoy? : mardi 17 ao?t 2004 18:21 > > ? : Mailing Caranta; mailman-users at python.org > > Objet : Re: [Mailman-Users] File attachement problems after > > install Mailman > > > > Mailing Caranta wrote: > > > > > >I have a problem that appeared just after installing Mailman. > > > > > >I have a cron job that sends a picture every day to some > of my users. > > >To do this I use : > > > > > >cat picture.jpg |uuencode picture.jpg|mail user at domain.com > > > > Piping the file into uuencode with cat is an unnecessary step; you > > could just do > > > > uuencode picture.jpg picture.jpg|mail user at domain.com > > > > but this has nothing to do with your problem. > > > > > > > >I used to work perfectly, but now, the received mail > hasn't the image > > >attached to it. > > >Instead of this, the mail has in plain text (as body) the > > Uuencoded file > > >(Begin ----, etc, etc) > > > > It is highly unlikely that this has anything to do with Mailman. > > > > The received mail you describe is exactly what a mail message > > containing a uuencoded file normally looks like. Whether you see the > > uuencoded file as "raw text" or as an attachment depends on the MUA > > that you use to view the mail. > > > > -- > > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense > - B. Dylan > > From msapiro at value.net Wed Aug 18 02:24:10 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:24:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] File attachement problems after install Mailman In-Reply-To: <200408172324.i7HNOMqP003722@caranta.com> Message-ID: Mailing Caranta wrote: >Oki, you're right, I changed a few things, and, even though I don't get why >it didn't work, I can send mail to my users normally ... > >Except when it come to be sent to a mailman list address :( > >When I do this, I get once again the uuencoded attachement as raw text in >the body. > >I noticed this, in the cource of the sent mail : >**************************************************************************** >************************* >Return-Path: >Received: from minixer.caranta.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > by caranta.com (8.12.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7HNFcqP003544; > Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:15:38 +0200 >Received: from caranta.com (minixer.lan.local [192.168.10.1]) > by caranta.com (8.12.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7HNF9qP003510 > for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:15:09 +0200 >Received: (from arthur at localhost) > by caranta.com (8.12.8/8.12.5/Submit) id i7HNF8g9003508 > for lechat at caranta.com; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:15:08 +0200 >Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:15:08 +0200 >From: Arthur CARANTA >Message-Id: <200408172315.i7HNF8g9003508 at caranta.com> >To: lechat at caranta.com >X-caranta.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean >X-caranta.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), > SpamAssassin (score=-3.234, required 5, autolearn=not spam, AWL >1.67, > BAYES_00 -4.90), not spam (whitelisted), > SpamAssassin (score=2.923, required 5, AWL -4.91, > MIME_HEADER_CTYPE_ONLY 2.23, UNWANTED_LANGUAGE_BODY 2.80, > UPPERCASE_50_75 0.00, V_NO_VOWEL_7 0.70, V_NO_VOWEL_8 1.10, > V_NO_VOWEL_9 0.50, V_VERY_LONG_WORD_2 0.50) >Cc: >Subject: [Lechat] [2004-08-18] Le chat du jour >X-BeenThere: lechat at www.caranta.com >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >Reply-To: lechat at caranta.com >List-Id: lechat.www.caranta.com >List-Unsubscribe: , > >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: , > >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1423464382==" >Sender: lechat-bounces at caranta.com >Errors-To: lechat-bounces at caranta.com >X-caranta.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more >information >X-MailScanner-From: lechat-bounces at www.caranta.com >Status: > >--===============1423464382== > >Voici le chat du 2004-08-18 >begin 664 2004-08-18- Le chat.jpg >M_]C_X``02D9)1@`!`0```0`!``#_VP!#``@&!@<&!0@'!P<)"0@*#!0-#`L+ >M#!D2$P\4'1H?'AT:'!P@)"XG("(L(QP<*#(...cut here...) >MX]:T]EZ9%RG^-,F\*>'KC;YVA::^T87-JG`_*H&\$^%G;$4`?_V0`` >` >end > >--===============1423464382== >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Content-Disposition: inline > >_______________________________________________ >Lechat mailing list >Lechat at www.caranta.com >http://minixer.caranta.com/mailman/listinfo/lechat > >--===============1423464382==-- >**************************************************************************** >************************* > >The mailing list bottom lines are seen as attahced files, whereas the pic >itself doesn't ... >I have never ever tryied this before, but is it possible that MIME and >uuencode attachements are in the very same email ? For information on why the footer is a separate MIME part, see the FAQ (http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py) article 4.39. Part of the problem is that uuencoded files are not, strictly speaking, attachments at all. They are just plain ASCII text which may be embedded in a plain text message or in a text/plain part of a multipart MIME message or may be, in some pathological cases, a separate MIME part. How a uuencoded file in received e-mail is rendered is decided by the MUA that reads the mail. Some MUAs just display the raw uuencoded file as text which is what it is, at least in the MIME sense. Other MUAs recognize it and call it an attachment and are prepared to decode it. This is apparently what happens in your case if the uuencoded file is in a simple text/plain message, but not if it is in a text/plain part of a multipart MIME message. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jwt at OnJapan.net Wed Aug 18 02:58:58 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:58:58 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unable to remove subscriber In-Reply-To: <1200DB2529DE4D46985CBAA70DBED2C9129836@balance.partners-intl.net> References: <1200DB2529DE4D46985CBAA70DBED2C9129836@balance.partners-intl.net> Message-ID: <20040818005858.GA19270@server.onjapan.net> On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 10:06:01AM -0400, aaron wrote: > somehow i ended up with a malformed address in one of my lists (it has a > double @@ in the address) and am unable to remove it. i am using Mailman > 2.1.2. here is the error i'm getting: [...] > # ./remove_members thelistname person@@hotmail.com > Traceback (most recent call last): > __assertIsMember > raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member > Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: person@ Did you try the brute force approach of 'del'eting it from the members list using bin/withlist? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.013.htp -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From Darren.Young at ChicagoGSB.edu Wed Aug 18 15:06:13 2004 From: Darren.Young at ChicagoGSB.edu (Young, Darren) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:06:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change List URL Message-ID: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B7EAA92@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> How can I change the URL in the footer of a list? Is it as simple as modifying web_page_url via withlist? Darren Young Senior UNIX Administrator University of Chicago Graduate School of Business darren.young at chicagogsb.edu Voice: 773-702-0331 From erin at thedalzells.org Wed Aug 18 16:32:04 2004 From: erin at thedalzells.org (Erin Dalzell) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:32:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change List URL In-Reply-To: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B7EAA92@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B7EAA92@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <604270C4-F123-11D8-ABC3-003065F12818@thedalzells.org> > How can I change the URL in the footer of a list? Is it as simple as > modifying web_page_url via withlist? To save Brad some time, try here: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp emd ---- http://www.TheDalzells.org - Where We Live From msapiro at value.net Wed Aug 18 16:56:54 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:56:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change List URL In-Reply-To: <604270C4-F123-11D8-ABC3-003065F12818@thedalzells.org> Message-ID: Erin Dalzell quoted Darren Young and wrote: >> How can I change the URL in the footer of a list? Is it as simple as >> modifying web_page_url via withlist? > >To save Brad some time, try here: >http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp > You might also look at msg_footer and digest_footer on the respective Non-digest options and Digest options list administration pages. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From ericp at drbott.com Wed Aug 18 17:49:22 2004 From: ericp at drbott.com (Eric Prentice) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:49:22 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing Mailman Archive Templates in Mac OS X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2CB8D8CE-F12E-11D8-8D19-000D93AD28DC@drbott.com> I can't seem to find the source files where I can edit the Pipermail archive web pages in Mailman. I'm running Mac OS X 10.3.5 Server. Any suggestions? From alessandra at rits.org.br Wed Aug 18 19:39:36 2004 From: alessandra at rits.org.br (Alessandra) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:39:36 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] user details Message-ID: <008101c4854a$54d780e0$1314a8c0@rits.org.br> HI, I am using mailman lists and a need to know if is possible for a moderator to have a list of all information saved about users subscribed in a particular list . I know that with the "who" command I can get all emails registered at a list , but I don?t know if there is a command to get all the other informations about the registered users . Thanks a lot , _________________________________________________ Alessandra Silveira Rits - Rede de Informa??es para o Terceiro Setor Coordenadora de Tecnologia http://www.rits.org.br tel: 55 21 2527-5494 !!! Visite o nosso site de suporte t?cnico http://suporte.rits.org.br !!! Participe dos F?runs T?cnicos Sua opini?o ? importante para n?s --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.732 / Virus Database: 486 - Release Date: 29/7/2004 From alblack at achilles.net Thu Aug 19 05:21:37 2004 From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black) Date: 18 Aug 2004 23:21:37 -0400 Subject: How to respond to FAQs [was: [Mailman-Users] Banner and Complex code ...] In-Reply-To: References: <20040816100105.84E241E4018@bag.python.org> <742BDE30-EF7A-11D8-BB9B-0003933EA39A@mac.com> <87u0v39ny2.fsf_-_@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1092885692.5506.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey. You know this is a for "what its worth" observation. If you go back and look over the past couple of months FAQ questions, it looks like there are two classes of users, people who have shell access -- mailman administrators and listkeepers/moderators who don't. These different users have a different set of FAQ questions, and my guess is respond to the differently to Brad's steeped in RTFM culture responses. (2 cents but Brad's response doesn't seem all that rude.) Wonder if it would help if the FAQ was split along these lines or if the listkeepers list was working... al From grnbrg at cc.umanitoba.ca Sat Aug 14 00:00:27 2004 From: grnbrg at cc.umanitoba.ca (Brian Greenberg) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:00:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Patch: qrunner w/ multiple slices crashing. Message-ID: <411D39FB.8010709@cc.umanitoba.ca> I was having problems with OutgoingRunner repeatedly crashing with messages like: Aug 13 15:27:51 2004 qrunner(23829): IOError : [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/priv/mail/mailman/qfiles/out/1092428866.8410051+70dcb0bb96e6460d8cd2aa8103cce318cfa3ed1f.pck' I believe I have traced the problem to mailman/Mailman/Queues/Switchboard.py. Detailed description at: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1008983&group_id=103&atid=300103 Brian Greenberg. Patch: *** Switchboard.py Fri Aug 13 16:43:12 2004 --- Switchboard.py_new Fri Aug 13 16:43:48 2004 *************** *** 164,170 **** when, digest = filebase.split('+') # Throw out any files which don't match our bitrange. BAW: test # performance and end-cases of this algorithm. ! if not lower or (lower <= long(digest, 16) < upper): times[float(when)] = filebase # FIFO sort keys = times.keys() --- 164,170 ---- when, digest = filebase.split('+') # Throw out any files which don't match our bitrange. BAW: test # performance and end-cases of this algorithm. ! if (lower == upper) or (lower <= long(digest, 16) < upper): times[float(when)] = filebase # FIFO sort keys = times.keys() -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Brian Greenberg + University of Manitoba + + grnbrg at cc.umanitoba.ca + ACN -- Unix Software Admin + +-------------------------------------------------------------+ + Tasklist and PGP key at http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~grnbrg + From Harv at treeclimbingcolorado.com Sun Aug 15 02:51:02 2004 From: Harv at treeclimbingcolorado.com (Harv at treeclimbingcolorado.com) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:51:02 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrators postings bounced back Message-ID: <20040815005102.7C638398282@zoidberg.tigertech.net> I've recently set up Mailman on my website, as an announcement only list. When trying to send out my first announcements from the address authorized as administrator and owner, email was bounced back with a "you are not authorized..." message. Tried adding a "catchall" address, same domain, in my settings, but made no difference. Only thing I can think of - I've also subscribed the same address as a regular list member in order to confirm delivery. Could Mailman be bouncing this address's emails as an unauthorized subscriber rather than allowing them as the administrator? Harv From xavi.herrero at upf.edu Mon Aug 16 13:52:21 2004 From: xavi.herrero at upf.edu (Xavih) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:52:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How I delete a list? Message-ID: <7999766.1092657141852.JavaMail.oracle@calima.upf.edu> Good morning, I'm a "site administrator", but also I administrate some lists. I've been looking for how to delete a list, but I really don't find it out. Don't find any link in administration pages to remove one of our list. Can you help me please? Xavi Herrero Computers Dept. Pompeu Fabra University From allen.martin at gmail.com Mon Aug 16 19:59:03 2004 From: allen.martin at gmail.com (Allen Martin) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:59:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't start Message-ID: I recently had a server set up for me with 1and1 internet and it is using the Plesk 7.1.1 control panel system and Redhat 9. For some reason, the mailman mailing list wasn't working. I could set everything up through the control panel and I could even go to the non-plesk control panel for the list. I could create, add users, etc. But it just didn't send to any of them. Further investigation showed that mailman wasn't starting properly...here is the error I am receiving: (this is as root and in the /var/mailman/bin directory) [XXX at XXXXXXX bin]# ./mailmanctl start Traceback (most recent call last): File "./mailmanctl", line 538, in ? main() File "./mailmanctl", line 357, in main check_for_site_list() File "./mailmanctl", line 275, in check_for_site_list sitelist = MailList(sitelistname, lock=0) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ self.Load() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 573, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 546, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'append' **any help would be appreciated! I don't know where to start. Thanks! From jillwoodward at yahoo.com Mon Aug 16 21:01:07 2004 From: jillwoodward at yahoo.com (jill woodward) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP our administrator/moderator can't access our list anymore! Message-ID: <20040816190107.99049.qmail@web41302.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, Looking for a lifeline to revive our administrator. Can anyone reset the password to administer this list? As you can read below, the administrator, o2k at runbox.com, no longer has the cookie and therefore we are all unable to change anything. Her current password is [deleted]. If there is anything that can be done, we would greatly appreciate it. contact Liz at o2k at runbox.com or Jill at jillwoodward at yahoo.com or Candy at candy_can at missiledickchicks.net the list is chicks at missiledickchicks.net thanks if you can help, Jill --- Liz McLellan wrote: > From: "Liz McLellan" > To: jillwoodward at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: Fwd: Your message to Chicks awaits > moderator approval > Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:53:30 -0900 (HADT) > > OK the list is a problem. When I set it up it set a > cookie on my machine-- the pass word is dependant on > that cookie and hte cookie is gone-- I haven't been > able to admin since loosing the cookie. its sharewar > and I haven't been able to get much support or help > fo rthe issue -- gave up banging my head a long time > ago. > > > the mail list. have had some sucess in getting my BF > to admn the website > > > > Liz McLellan wrote:remind me are > you trying to admin the list or the website...? > > > > > OK ladies, the password > > > > > > [deleted] > > > > > > does not work. Liz, can you recall if perhaps > you > > > changed the password? Or is there someone you > can > > > contact to get the password reset? > > > > > > Jill > > > > > > > > > --- Menusch Kohl wrote: > > > > hey jill! > > > > can we try to figure out how to solve the > problems > > > > with the web site > > > > and the email? > > > > maybe if you and me can administer the stuff, > if > > > > somebody has the > > > > patience to show me what to do. > > > > candy > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Peaharry at aol.com Mon Aug 16 23:24:35 2004 From: Peaharry at aol.com (Peaharry at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:24:35 EDT Subject: [Mailman-Users] All AOL subscribers got an unsubscribed notification today. Message-ID: <8c.1254aba4.2e528013@aol.com> Dear Sir/Madam Right now I am subscribed with two AOL, and both are charged to me. 1. Screen Name HarryHutapea at aol.com, with AOL Ver. 7.0 2. Screen Name peaharry at aol.com , with AOL Ver. 9.0 Would you please unsubscribed the first one HarryHutapea at aol.com , Would you please transfer the email file to second one? Please do not make double charges. Please stop any charges through the VISA Card for HarryHutapea at aol.com. and continue the peaharry at aol.com. Thank you very much. Harry Hutapea. From fredimac at fredimac.com Tue Aug 17 02:13:51 2004 From: fredimac at fredimac.com (Fred Macondray) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:13:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listowner.org is down Message-ID: Greetings, I was trying to get some assistance with some configuration issues from listowner.org, but it's unavailable. I would like my announce only list to 1) only post messages from a few members and 2) to forward all replies to the list (ie re: subject) to the poster or list owner. How can I set this up? Thanks, Fred From fredimac at fredimac.com Tue Aug 17 02:23:13 2004 From: fredimac at fredimac.com (Fred Macondray) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:23:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirect reply's to list messages Message-ID: <200408170023.i7H0N0P07093@fredimac.com> Greetings All, I just set up Mailman as provided by my hosting service. I've currently got my list up and working so that the following are true: 1) The list is in "announce only mode" 2) A few authorized addresses can send email to the list 3) Unauthorized members and non-members get a rejection message when they send to the list address. What I would like to do is redirect all messages sent to the list by unauthorized addresses to a specific address or to the list owner. Is this possible? People have a tendency to reply with questions about the announcement. Thanks in advance, fredimac From cuibel at comcast.net Tue Aug 17 05:55:31 2004 From: cuibel at comcast.net (Charles Uibel) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:55:31 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to hide email address, but show name? Message-ID: <20040817035531.8FD821E4002@bag.python.org> Hi, Confused as heck, but how as an administrator of the list, can I hide email address, but show the sender?s name? We don?t want to broadcast the sender?s email address, but this leaves us in the distasteful position of not knowing who the email is coming from. Example: ?Hi, there was a break-in near my house yesterday. Please send more security. I am seventy-two years old. I don?t understand this mailing list.? Everyone on the list wonders, ?Who sent this? What is the person?s name? The email address is, of course, private.? This forces us to add a header to the messages saying ?Don?t forget to add your name?. This header comes through (sometimes) as an attachment. This is awkward for everyone. This goes round and round. Help, Thank you very much. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.709 / Virus Database: 465 - Release Date: 6/22/2004 From hyou at e-jyss.com Tue Aug 17 07:06:19 2004 From: hyou at e-jyss.com (Howard You) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:06:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why the bigger email goes to shunt folder? Message-ID: <000601c48417$ee989db0$1414c8a9@hyxp> I configure the maximum email size to 0 which means un-limited. But I still can't send big email. Mailman puts it to shunt folder. It's not a discarded email which will be forwarded to the owner as configured. Why? Thanks, Howard You From paul.bromiley at man.ac.uk Tue Aug 17 21:52:40 2004 From: paul.bromiley at man.ac.uk (Paul Bromiley) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:52:40 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Failure to find group name" error Message-ID: <200408172052.40724.paul.bromiley@man.ac.uk> Hello, I am trying to set up Mailman on a Fedora Core 2 system running apache 2.0, using the Mailman 2.1.5 tarball downloaded from www.list.org. I have followed the installation instructions, and used configure --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=apache at the configuration stage. These group names are the correct ones for sendmail and apache on my system (i.e. the ones given in httpd.conf and sendmail.cf). The installation proceeds without any errors, and when I set up the site-wide mailing list I get a confirmation e-mail stating that I can configure the mailing list at http://......../mailman/admin/mailman. However, when I point my web browser at that page I get: Mailman CGI error!!! The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: Failure to find group name apache. Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the command line option --with-cgi-gid. The apache group exists on my system (i.e. it is listed in /etc/group) and works properly: I can chown files to this group. I have also tried running configure with the group ID numbers instead of the names, but get the same error. I know that this question has been posted before, but none of the posts in the archives describe what you have to do to fix it. Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated. Paul. From bcrowther at mail.unomaha.edu Wed Aug 18 20:04:06 2004 From: bcrowther at mail.unomaha.edu (Brandon G Crowther) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:04:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing list archives Message-ID: I was just wondering how I would purge the archive for a list? I have daily archiving set right now and would like to purge the test messages from the archive and have yet to successfully delete them. Brandon Crowther ITS Client Services 554-4357 From paul at birdsinteractive.com Wed Aug 18 21:37:33 2004 From: paul at birdsinteractive.com (Paul Vogels (E-mail)) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:37:33 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] security problem mailman Message-ID: <018c01c4855a$d74af060$0200a8c0@beneden> Text in dutch: Dringend probleem met Mailman Zit met een groot en vooral dringend probleem: Ik heb meerdere mailinglists gemaakt met Mailman. Nu is er echter 1 probleem: 1 van die maillists bevat informatie die vertrouwelijk is, maar members van de andere lijsten kunnen (onder andere) via de link onderaan de mail zo in de archieven van de vertrouwelijke maillist snuffelen zonder login of wachtwoord oid. Wie weet hoe ik hier een wachtwoord op kan zetten? Ik heb al gekeken in Mailman zelf, maar daar kan ik niks vinden. De hele directory met archives afschermen met bv een .htaccess werkt ook niet aangezien ik niet bij het pad kan komen... Wie helpt mij? Text in english. We have the mailman installed. one of them contains confidential information. But the members from others lists can read this information through the link at the bottom of the email. So they can read the other infromation from the confidential one without login or password. Is it possible to lock the archive with a password. Thank you in advance, Paul Vogels From ruth.olszewski at CMMSdatagroup.com Thu Aug 12 22:52:49 2004 From: ruth.olszewski at CMMSdatagroup.com (Ruth Olszewski - CMMS data group) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:52:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question Message-ID: <000801c480ae$54c94d40$8500a8c0@HPLaptop04> I am new to mail lists. Can we add people to our list without having them confirm? Best regards, Ruth Olszewski CMMS data group 25 E. Washington Street, Suite 1465 Chicago, IL 60602 . U.S.A. Direct Phone: 312 863-6501 Main Office: 312 863-6500 Main Fax: 801 991-6567 Click here to view CMMS data group's "Tracking Work" iPresentation: http://www.e-conferencezone.com/forms/cmms_reg2.htm Corporate Website: www.CMMSdatagroup.com From dbl at tentra.com Thu Aug 19 08:28:56 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:28:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrators postings bounced back In-Reply-To: <20040815005102.7C638398282@zoidberg.tigertech.net> References: <20040815005102.7C638398282@zoidberg.tigertech.net> Message-ID: <1092896936.4578.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 19:51, Harv at treeclimbingcolorado.com wrote: > I've recently set up Mailman on my website, as an announcement only list. > When trying to send out my first announcements from the address authorized > as administrator and owner, email was bounced back with a "you are not > authorized..." message. Tried adding a "catchall" address, same domain, in > my settings, but made no difference. Only thing I can think of - I've also > subscribed the same address as a regular list member in order to confirm > delivery. Could Mailman be bouncing this address's emails as an > unauthorized subscriber rather than allowing them as the administrator? > > Harv Yes. You have to go to Membership Management in the List Administration and untick the mod (moderated) box for that address. David ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From dbl at tentra.com Thu Aug 19 08:33:18 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:33:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How I delete a list? In-Reply-To: <7999766.1092657141852.JavaMail.oracle@calima.upf.edu> References: <7999766.1092657141852.JavaMail.oracle@calima.upf.edu> Message-ID: <1092897197.4578.92.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 06:52, Xavih wrote: > Good morning, > > I'm a "site administrator", but also I administrate some lists. > I've been looking for how to delete a list, but I really don't find it out. > Don't find any link in administration pages to remove one of our list. > Can you help me please? > > Xavi Herrero > Computers Dept. > Pompeu Fabra University If you have shell access, you would go to ~/mailman and execute /bin/rmlist listname. If you want to remove the list contents too, you would execute /bin/rmlist -a listname. David From dbl at tentra.com Thu Aug 19 09:03:15 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 02:03:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listowner.org is down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1092898995.4578.110.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 19:13, Fred Macondray wrote: > Greetings, > > I was trying to get some assistance with some configuration issues from > listowner.org, but it's unavailable. I just went there and it is up. > I would like my announce only list to 1) only post messages from a few > members and 2) to forward all replies to the list (ie re: subject) to the > poster or list owner. How can I set this up? Both questions are answered here: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp David > Thanks, > Fred > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From dbl at tentra.com Thu Aug 19 09:07:52 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 02:07:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirect reply's to list messages In-Reply-To: <200408170023.i7H0N0P07093@fredimac.com> References: <200408170023.i7H0N0P07093@fredimac.com> Message-ID: <1092899272.4578.113.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 19:23, Fred Macondray wrote: > Greetings All, > > I just set up Mailman as provided by my hosting service. > > I've currently got my list up and working so that the following are true: > > 1) The list is in "announce only mode" > 2) A few authorized addresses can send email to the list > 3) Unauthorized members and non-members get a rejection message when they > send to the list address. > > What I would like to do is redirect all messages sent to the list by > unauthorized addresses to a specific address or to the list owner. > > Is this possible? People have a tendency to reply with questions about the > announcement. > > Thanks in advance, > fredimac This section below was copied from: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp How to set an announcement list to reply to a contact address: Go to the General options and scroll down to Reply-To munging. Turn on first_strip_reply_to and set reply_goes_to_list to Explicit Address. Set reply_to_address to band at dom.ain. This way anyone following up to an announcement will send the message to your band contact address. If your newsletters are likely to be widely forwarded on, you may want to use a special contact address for this purpose, one you can change from time to time when the address starts receiving a lot of spam. Scroll down on the General options and set include_list_post_header to No, but leave include_rfc2369_headers to Yes. From jwt at onjapan.net Thu Aug 19 09:07:59 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:07:59 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing list archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <811369D5-F1AE-11D8-A594-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Aug 19, 2004, at 03:04, Brandon G Crowther wrote: > I was just wondering how I would purge the archive for a list? Remove the list's mbox file from the archives/private directory and use bin/arch with the --wipe switch to regenerate the HTML pages. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From dbl at tentra.com Thu Aug 19 09:27:42 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 02:27:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How I delete a list? In-Reply-To: <1092897197.4578.92.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <7999766.1092657141852.JavaMail.oracle@calima.upf.edu> <1092897197.4578.92.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1092900462.4578.117.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 01:33, David Blomquist wrote: > On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 06:52, Xavih wrote: > > Good morning, > > > > I'm a "site administrator", but also I administrate some lists. > > I've been looking for how to delete a list, but I really don't find it out. > > Don't find any link in administration pages to remove one of our list. > > Can you help me please? > > > > Xavi Herrero > > Computers Dept. > > Pompeu Fabra University > > If you have shell access, you would go to ~/mailman and execute > /bin/rmlist listname. If you want to remove the list contents too, you > would execute /bin/rmlist -a listname. Typo. I meant to execute bin/rmlist -a listname without the preceding slash (as above) from the mailman/ directory. > David > From dbl at tentra.com Thu Aug 19 10:16:19 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 03:16:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Failure to find group name" error In-Reply-To: <200408172052.40724.paul.bromiley@man.ac.uk> References: <200408172052.40724.paul.bromiley@man.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1092903379.4578.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 14:52, Paul Bromiley wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to set up Mailman on a Fedora Core 2 system running apache 2.0, > using the Mailman 2.1.5 tarball downloaded from www.list.org. I have > followed the installation instructions, and used Why don't you just use the 2.1.5 rpm for Fedora Core 2? I installed this rpm with no problem. David From iane at sussex.ac.uk Thu Aug 19 10:38:12 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:38:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP our administrator/moderator can't access our list anymore! In-Reply-To: <20040816190107.99049.qmail@web41302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040816190107.99049.qmail@web41302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --On Monday, August 16, 2004 12:01 pm -0700 jill woodward wrote: > Hello, > > Looking for a lifeline to revive our administrator. > Can anyone reset the password to administer this list? > As you can read below, the administrator, > o2k at runbox.com, no longer has the cookie and > therefore we are all unable to change anything. Her > current password is [deleted]. If there is anything that > can be done, we would greatly appreciate it. contact > Liz at o2k at runbox.com or Jill at > jillwoodward at yahoo.com or Candy at > candy_can at missiledickchicks.net > > the list is chicks at missiledickchicks.net > > thanks if you can help, > > Jill You don't need a cookie if you have the password, but you do need to enable cookies to use the web interface. If you have access to the command line, you can change the password with the change_pw command. Otherwise ask your site admin to do that for you. Great web site, btw! PS, don't go posting passwords to public sites! If the password is still "[deleted]", then you could be trouble. -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From relson at osagesoftware.com Thu Aug 19 15:06:46 2004 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:06:46 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question In-Reply-To: <000801c480ae$54c94d40$8500a8c0@HPLaptop04> References: <000801c480ae$54c94d40$8500a8c0@HPLaptop04> Message-ID: <20040819090646.14cc9d7f@osage.osagesoftware.com> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:52:49 -0500 Ruth Olszewski - CMMS data group wrote: > I am new to mail lists. Can we add people to our list without having > them confirm? Hi Ruth, Yes. I do it using mailman's add_members command. Its help message will show you the appropriate option. David From jeff at look.net Thu Aug 19 16:02:13 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:02:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to hide email address, but show name? In-Reply-To: <20040817035531.8FD821E4002@bag.python.org> References: <20040817035531.8FD821E4002@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <5F215FA8-F1E8-11D8-A4CD-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 16, 2004, at 11:55 PM, Charles Uibel wrote: > Hi, > > Confused as heck, but how as an administrator of the list, can I hide > email > address, but show the sender?s name? > Not without hacking on the Mailman source a lot. -Jeff From jeff at look.net Thu Aug 19 16:03:49 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:03:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] security problem mailman In-Reply-To: <018c01c4855a$d74af060$0200a8c0@beneden> References: <018c01c4855a$d74af060$0200a8c0@beneden> Message-ID: <97E525D8-F1E8-11D8-A4CD-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 18, 2004, at 3:37 PM, Paul Vogels (E-mail) wrote: > > Text in english. > > We have the mailman installed. > one of them contains confidential information. But the members from > others > lists can read this information through the link at the bottom of the > email. > So they can read the other infromation from the confidential one > without > login or password. > > Is it possible to lock the archive with a password. You might want to take a look at the archiving options.... -Jeff From brasilino at recife.pe.gov.br Thu Aug 19 16:12:41 2004 From: brasilino at recife.pe.gov.br (Lucas Brasilino) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:12:41 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with --with-mail-gid and more than one group when configuring mailman. Message-ID: <4124B559.2070005@recife.pe.gov.br> Hi I've searching around ml about this issue but haven't found some information. I *must* configure mailman with two groups for running scripts: mailman and nofiles (yep, I'm using qmail :) ) When I run ./configure: ./configure --with-mail-gid="mailman nofiles" Only "mailman" group is evaluated (the first one): ... checking for mail wrapper group; i.e. --with-mail-gid... mailman ... Within configure.in I've found that "mailman other mail daemon" are default group list, but again just the first one is evaluated. Is it a bug, a feature or I'm messing something? :) I'm using FedoraCore 2, bash 2.05b.0. Thanks a lot in advance bests regards -- []'s Lucas Brasilino brasilino at recife.pe.gov.br http://www.recife.pe.gov.br Emprel - Empresa Municipal de Informatica (pt_BR) Municipal Computing Enterprise (en_US) Recife - Pernambuco - Brasil Fone: +55-81-34167078 From msapiro at value.net Thu Aug 19 17:01:36 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:01:36 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listowner.org is down In-Reply-To: <1092898995.4578.110.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: David Blomquist wrote: >On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 19:13, Fred Macondray wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> I was trying to get some assistance with some configuration issues from >> listowner.org, but it's unavailable. > >I just went there and it is up. > It may have been when you tried it, but at Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:50:00 -0700 it is not responding to ping or http connect, nor has it been available at any time I've tried it in the last few months. See also http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-June/037775.html -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From tbartolu at nnco.nano.gov Thu Aug 19 17:11:34 2004 From: tbartolu at nnco.nano.gov (Thomas Bartolucci) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:11:34 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stopping Mailman's cron jobs soon!!! Message-ID: <4124C326.80704@nnco.nano.gov> Right now I'm in the process of upgrading my email server, so I want all mail to halt. My mail queue however keeps getting bogged down by mailman cron jobs. What do I have to do to stop these. So far I've: 1. Stop qrunner altogether 2. Commented out the entire MAILMAN_HOME/cron/crontab.in Now, another problem that I've noticed is this in the queued email I have this: F CronDaemonS^DrootR^DrootM^@N^XFrom: root (Cron Daemon)N^HTo: rootNHSubject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunnerN^[X-Cron-Env: N^XX-Cron-Env: N X-Cron-Env: N^ZX-Cron-Env: N^@N=/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/cron/qrunner'X^@E^@ Now /home/mailman/cron/qrunner does not exist on my system, /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner exists, what do I edit to fix this? But mainly I need the mail to stop queueing that is my first concern as I won't have the mail server running till tomorrow. From alessandra at rits.org.br Thu Aug 19 17:39:17 2004 From: alessandra at rits.org.br (Alessandra) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:39:17 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrieve User details In-Reply-To: <008101c4854a$54d780e0$1314a8c0@rits.org.br> Message-ID: <005401c48602$b0946bb0$1314a8c0@rits.org.br> HI, I am using mailman lists and a need to know if is possible for a moderator to have a list of all information saved about users subscribed in a particular list . I know that with the "who" command I can get all emails registered at a list , but I don?t know if there is a command to get all the other informations about the registered users . Thanks a lot , _________________________________________________ Alessandra Silveira Rits - Rede de Informa??es para o Terceiro Setor Coordenadora de Tecnologia http://www.rits.org.br tel: 55 21 2527-5494 !!! Visite o nosso site de suporte t?cnico http://suporte.rits.org.br !!! 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Version: 6.0.732 / Virus Database: 486 - Release Date: 29/7/2004 From dbl at tentra.com Thu Aug 19 19:00:56 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:00:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question In-Reply-To: <20040819090646.14cc9d7f@osage.osagesoftware.com> References: <000801c480ae$54c94d40$8500a8c0@HPLaptop04> <20040819090646.14cc9d7f@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: <1092934856.4574.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 08:06, David Relson wrote: > On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:52:49 -0500 > Ruth Olszewski - CMMS data group wrote: > > > I am new to mail lists. Can we add people to our list without having > > them confirm? > > Hi Ruth, > > Yes. I do it using mailman's add_members command. Its help message > will show you the appropriate option. > > David You can also subscribe members in the List Administration web interface under Membership Management > Mass Subscription. This is much easier for a non-techie. a different David ;) From dbl at tentra.com Thu Aug 19 20:13:22 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:13:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listowner.org is down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1092939202.4574.67.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 10:01, Mark Sapiro wrote: > David Blomquist wrote: > > >On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 19:13, Fred Macondray wrote: > >> Greetings, > >> > >> I was trying to get some assistance with some configuration issues from > >> listowner.org, but it's unavailable. > > > >I just went there and it is up. > > > > It may have been when you tried it, but at > Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:50:00 -0700 it is not responding to ping or http > connect, nor has it been available at any time I've tried it in the > last few months. Then I would say that it is not the list.org site and you are experiencing routing or DNS issues. > See also > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-June/037775.html > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan David From david at thekramers.net Thu Aug 19 20:15:44 2004 From: david at thekramers.net (David Kramer) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stopping Mailman's cron jobs soon!!! In-Reply-To: <4124C326.80704@nnco.nano.gov> References: <4124C326.80704@nnco.nano.gov> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Thomas Bartolucci wrote: > Right now I'm in the process of upgrading my email server, so I want all > mail to halt. My mail queue however keeps getting bogged down by > mailman cron jobs. What do I have to do to stop these. > > So far I've: > > 1. Stop qrunner altogether > 2. Commented out the entire MAILMAN_HOME/cron/crontab.in I'm not an expert, but it's my understanding that crontab.in is the source file that gets copied over to the working file. The actual file you need to modify is /etc/cron.d/mailman (at least on my system). Comment out all the lines that are not commented out, or just move that file to some other directory temporarily. -- DDDD David Kramer david at thekramers.net http://thekramers.net DK KD DKK D Where are we going, and why are we in this handbasket? DDDD From jp_mailman at gcfl.net Thu Aug 19 20:30:59 2004 From: jp_mailman at gcfl.net (John Price) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:30:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stopping Mailman's cron jobs soon!!! In-Reply-To: References: <4124C326.80704@nnco.nano.gov> Message-ID: <20040819183059.GA9035@gcfl.net> On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 02:15:44PM -0400, David Kramer wrote: > On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Thomas Bartolucci wrote: > > > Right now I'm in the process of upgrading my email server, so I want all > > mail to halt. My mail queue however keeps getting bogged down by > > mailman cron jobs. What do I have to do to stop these. > > > > So far I've: > > > > 1. Stop qrunner altogether > > 2. Commented out the entire MAILMAN_HOME/cron/crontab.in > > I'm not an expert, but it's my understanding that crontab.in is the source > file that gets copied over to the working file. The actual file you need > to modify is /etc/cron.d/mailman (at least on my system). Comment out all > the lines that are not commented out, or just move that file to some other > directory temporarily. Other cron jobs probably send mail too. You should really stop the cron daemon. For most Linux machines, run this: /etc/init.d/crond stop -- Some days it's not worth chewing through the leather straps. Have a great day and don't forget to laugh! http://www.gcfl.net (The Good, Clean Funnies List): Good, clean daily funnies you can safely tell your mom! From nstazew1 at swarthmore.edu Thu Aug 19 20:43:20 2004 From: nstazew1 at swarthmore.edu (Nathan K. Stazewski) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:43:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] easy footer question... Message-ID: <004701c4861c$661401d0$ba8e3a82@Garnet.Swarthmore.edu> First time poster, short time reader. I just inherited a Mailman Listserv for a college, and am pretty clueless to any of the inner workings (it's running on a Mac OS X, and although I was a Computer Science major, I NEVER use Macs). Anywho, the emails it sends out always have a very helpful "List-Id:, List-Unsubcribe, List-Archive, etc. in the header section. I can't find anywhere what is causing this to appear in the header, and am VERY interested in having that information placed in the footer (as 99% of my readers don't see the headers automatically in their email programs). Could someone please send an example or generic code for how I would get those header items into the footer. Thanks in advance. From jeff at look.net Thu Aug 19 21:04:53 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:04:53 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] easy footer question... In-Reply-To: <004701c4861c$661401d0$ba8e3a82@Garnet.Swarthmore.edu> References: <004701c4861c$661401d0$ba8e3a82@Garnet.Swarthmore.edu> Message-ID: On Aug 19, 2004, at 2:43 PM, Nathan K. Stazewski wrote: > First time poster, short time reader. I just inherited a Mailman > Listserv for a college, and am pretty clueless to any of the inner > workings (it's running on a Mac OS X, and although I was a Computer > Science major, I NEVER use Macs). Anywho, the emails it sends out > always have a very helpful "List-Id:, List-Unsubcribe, List-Archive, > etc. in the header section. I can't find anywhere what is causing this > to appear in the header, and am VERY interested in having that > information placed in the footer (as 99% of my readers don't see the > headers automatically in their email programs). Could someone please > send an example or generic code for how I would get those header items > into the footer. Thanks in advance. The easy way would be to change the footers. You can define a default footer in mm_cfg.py. In the web admin, click on the 'details for msg_footer' link and you'll see a list of variables you can add to the footer. If you want to actually change the placement of the RFC 2369 headers you'll need to do some python hacking. I think a good place to look would be Decorate.py. -Jeff From steve at portigal.com Thu Aug 19 22:05:42 2004 From: steve at portigal.com (Steve Portigal) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:05:42 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] headers - sometimes - getting "munched" Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040819130210.01fd1ea0@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> I've got a problem where sometimes the headers to the list get slightly munched. I've got a two line header for the non-digest messages. The second line is equal signs used as underscore. The setting: Header added to mail sent to regular list members has as its value Undercover - The Rolling Stones Mailing List ============================================== (note that I have tried it with and without a trailing carriage return) Most posts come through just fine, but some members always have their header truncated - only the first line is included and then immediately the body of the message... Here is one example... X-Apparently-To: steve_portigal at sbcglobal.net via 206.190.37.108; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 06:41:26 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.51.149.98] X-Header-Maps: tagged.as.spam.by.relays.prodigy.net.list.209.51.149.98 X-Originating-IP: [209.51.149.98] From: "Joe Subscriber" To: "Undercover" Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:42:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Bloodless Rock 'n' Roll Circus X-BeenThere: Undercover at under-cover.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Rolling Stones fan discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: Undercover-bounces at under-cover.net X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mickey.1host.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - sbcglobal.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - under-cover.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Undercover - The Rolling Stones Mailing List (immediately after that line it went into the body of the message) FWIW, I did spend some time with the FAQ before I posted this. Thanks for any help, Steve Steve Portigal http://www.portigal.com From dbl at tentra.com Fri Aug 20 00:03:01 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:03:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: bounceback posts In-Reply-To: <412519E8.517F073@TreeClimbingCO.com> References: <000801c480ae$54c94d40$8500a8c0@HPLaptop04> <20040819090646.14cc9d7f@osage.osagesoftware.com> <1092934856.4574.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <412519E8.517F073@TreeClimbingCO.com> Message-ID: <1092952981.4574.125.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 16:21, Harv Teitelbaum wrote: > Actually David, my email was unchecked, and I'm still unable to post to my own > list. There must be something else going on with the setup. I've added every > email alias I can think of to the administrator's list, but to no avail. Any > advice is appreciated. > > Harv Is the 'Emergency moderation of all list traffic' on the General Options page checked? David From dbl at tentra.com Fri Aug 20 01:17:00 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:17:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: bounceback posts In-Reply-To: <20040819225637.1578D398749@zoidberg.tigertech.net> References: <20040819225637.1578D398749@zoidberg.tigertech.net> Message-ID: <1092957419.4574.180.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 17:56, Harv at treeclimbingcolorado.com wrote: > The "NO" box is checked. > > Harv Hmmm... What I would do at this point is to set up a separate test list with you as the only subscriber, leave it unmoderated and send a couple of emails to the list. If you succeed, then go to the FAQ at: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.11 and go through the steps outlined there for an announcement list and change the settings one by one and continue sending test mails to the list to see if there is a step that is tripping you up. David From rxguitar at comcast.net Fri Aug 20 01:25:40 2004 From: rxguitar at comcast.net (marci and rex) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:25:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re add members w/o confirming & a good MUA In-Reply-To: <20040819183118.6EBDC1E400A@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20040819180631.0495cce0@mail.comcast.net> > RE: adding members without having them confirm? >David said: You can also subscribe members in the List Administration web interface under Membership Management > Mass Subscription. This is much easier for a non-techie. a different David ;) Hi d D ! ( grin ) ...........Different person with the same problem here....We tried that when we originally set up our new mailing list thinking we could copy/paste subscriber emails to our old mailing list into this field... all it did was send out invitations to subscribe..It didnt actually subscribe them...They still have to reply to the verify email and thats where we are having the problem... I am having trouble with our members either not getting the verification emails or probably having them dumped into spam filter files... We are dealing with a lot of elderly ( 70 +) porcelain artists who are artists and not computer geeks.. :-) .... and I have several who have resubscribed 4 or 5 times and are just not getting the idea of " reply to the verify letter"...and there are also some who manage to retrieve the letters or click on the webpage link in the email only to be told that it is an invalid verification code... ( I know these expire after 3 days... but these are ones that are giving the errors on the same day they are dated... ) Also, if anybody has some recommendations of good MUAs ( boy , I hope i used the right term here ) that will display Mailman properly with styled text, Im all ears... I personally run Eudora and it displays everything... but some of our listers are getting either scrubbed messages or every message as an attachment. I would love to be able to take advantage of colored text so if anyone has any suggestions I can pass along, Im all ears... Thanks , everybody marci PPIO.com Porcelain Painters International Online From dbl at tentra.com Fri Aug 20 01:41:10 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:41:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re add members w/o confirming & a good MUA In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20040819180631.0495cce0@mail.comcast.net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20040819180631.0495cce0@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1092958870.4574.192.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 18:25, marci and rex wrote: > > RE: adding members without having them confirm? > >David said: > You can also subscribe members in the List Administration web interface > under Membership Management > Mass Subscription. This is much easier > for a non-techie. > a different David ;) > > Hi d D ! ( grin ) ...........Different person with the same problem > here....We tried that when we originally set up our new mailing list > thinking we could copy/paste subscriber emails to our old mailing list into > this field... all it did was send out invitations to subscribe..It didnt > actually subscribe them...They still have to reply to the verify email and > thats where we are having the problem... You have to set the option on the Mass Subscription page to 'Subscribe' not 'Invite' before you submit the list. Your list probably was set up to 'Invite' by default. > I am having trouble with our members either not getting > the verification emails or probably > having them dumped into spam filter files... We are dealing with a lot of > elderly ( 70 +) porcelain artists who are artists and not computer geeks.. > :-) .... and I have several who have resubscribed 4 or 5 times and are just > not getting the idea of " reply to the verify letter"...and there are also > some who manage to retrieve the letters or click on the webpage link in > the email only to be told that it is an invalid verification code... ( I > know these expire after 3 days... but these are ones that are giving the > errors on the same day they are dated... ) There isn't much you can do about user error except for subscribing their addresses yourself using the above info. It does work. > Also, if anybody has some recommendations of good MUAs ( boy , I hope > i used the right term here ) that will display Mailman properly with > styled text, Im all ears... I personally run Eudora and it displays > everything... but some of our listers are getting either scrubbed messages > or every message as an attachment. I would love to be able to take > advantage of colored text so if anyone has any suggestions I can pass > along, Im all ears... If you are having MUA issues, it is best to just send out plain text... it is the only failsafe method. > Thanks , everybody > marci > PPIO.com > Porcelain Painters International Online David > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From jwblist at olympus.net Fri Aug 20 01:43:10 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:43:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listowner.org is down In-Reply-To: <1092939202.4574.67.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 8/19/2004 11:13, "David Blomquist" wrote: > On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 10:01, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> David Blomquist wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 19:13, Fred Macondray wrote: >>>> Greetings, >>>> >>>> I was trying to get some assistance with some configuration issues from >>>> listowner.org, but it's unavailable. >>> >>> I just went there and it is up. >>> >> >> It may have been when you tried it, but at >> Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:50:00 -0700 it is not responding to ping or http >> connect, nor has it been available at any time I've tried it in the >> last few months. > > Then I would say that it is not the list.org site and you are > experiencing routing or DNS issues. Interesting. Name service shows 69.26.234.42 for www.listowner.org and listowner.org. Port 80 connections don't seem to work to that address (command line or browser). Are those where Listowner hangs out? Could be routing, but the only commonality in Fred's probable routing and mine seems to be that we're on opposite ends of the US West Coast. (pacbell.net--not sure where since "snfc" isn't obvious--and Qwest--greater Seattle). --John (by the time I get to Phoenix, traceroute ends) From dbl at tentra.com Fri Aug 20 01:47:34 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:47:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listowner.org is down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1092959254.4574.194.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 18:43, John W. Baxter wrote: > Interesting. Name service shows 69.26.234.42 for www.listowner.org and > listowner.org. > > Port 80 connections don't seem to work to that address (command line or > browser). > > Are those where Listowner hangs out? > > Could be routing, but the only commonality in Fred's probable routing and > mine seems to be that we're on opposite ends of the US West Coast. > (pacbell.net--not sure where since "snfc" isn't obvious--and Qwest--greater > Seattle). It is list.org not listowner.org David From jwblist at olympus.net Fri Aug 20 01:55:36 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:55:36 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listowner.org is down In-Reply-To: <1092959254.4574.194.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 8/19/2004 16:47, "David Blomquist" wrote: > It is list.org not listowner.org That seems to improve access immensely. Thanks. --John From dbl at tentra.com Fri Aug 20 02:09:05 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:09:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listowner.org is down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1092960545.4574.196.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 18:55, John W. Baxter wrote: > On 8/19/2004 16:47, "David Blomquist" wrote: > > > It is list.org not listowner.org > > That seems to improve access immensely. Thanks. ;) From wrybread at gmail.com Fri Aug 20 02:20:21 2004 From: wrybread at gmail.com (alec bennet) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:20:21 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] still having Mailman probs, anyone interested in a quick paid gig? Message-ID: We're still unable to fix our Mailman problem, hoping someone here might be interested in a quick paid gig? We can paypal over the funds. Mailman 2.1 running on Redhat 9 with Qmail. We did all the recommended fixes for the Mailman 2.1 & REdhat 9 combination, we're thinking the problem lies with Qmail. Anyone interested? Please email me offlist if so. From relson at osagesoftware.com Fri Aug 20 03:24:36 2004 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:24:36 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re add members w/o confirming & a good MUA In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20040819180631.0495cce0@mail.comcast.net> References: <20040819183118.6EBDC1E400A@bag.python.org> <5.1.1.6.0.20040819180631.0495cce0@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040819212436.516e16cf@osage.osagesoftware.com> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:25:40 -0500 marci and rex wrote: > > > RE: adding members without having them confirm? > >David said: > You can also subscribe members in the List Administration web > interface under Membership Management > Mass Subscription. This is > much easier for a non-techie. > a different David ;) A few months ago, I started hosting the bogofilter mailing lists. They had been hosted elsewhere using qmail and ezmlm. Given subscriber lists, I was able to use mailman's add_members commands. With separate lists of regular and digest subscribers (and the corresponding '-r' and '-d' options) and the "--welcome-msg=n" option, I was able to subscribe everyone without any need for action by the individual subscribers. The use of MUA is much a matter of operating system used and individual preference. I've been using Sylpheed-Claws under Linux for the past year and like its GUI. I understand it's also available for Windoze. Regards, David From msapiro at value.net Fri Aug 20 03:42:42 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:42:42 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listowner.org is down In-Reply-To: <1092959254.4574.194.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: David Blomquist wrote: > >It is list.org not listowner.org > No. There are two sites. list.org is the home site for Mailman. listowner.org is the home site for the listowners list. Go to http://list.org/lists.html and you will see at the second bullet Listowners[1] is a mailing list with a non-technical focus, specifically for discussions from the perspective of listowners and moderators who do not have "shell access" to the mailing list server where the Mailman software runs. (archives)[2] [1] http://listowner.org/ [2] http://listowner.org/pipermail/lo/ It is this second site (listowner.org) that has been down for months. As I indicated in my previous post, more info is at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-June/037775.html -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dbl at tentra.com Fri Aug 20 03:58:28 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:58:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listowner.org is down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1092967107.4574.201.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 20:42, Mark Sapiro wrote: > No. There are two sites. list.org is the home site for Mailman. > listowner.org is the home site for the listowners list. > > It is this second site (listowner.org) that has been down for months. > As I indicated in my previous post, more info is at > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-June/037775.html Aha! I stand corrected ;) David From dbl at tentra.com Fri Aug 20 04:04:13 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:04:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re add members w/o confirming & a good MUA In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20040819185640.0495cce0@mail.comcast.net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20040819180631.0495cce0@mail.comcast.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20040819180631.0495cce0@mail.comcast.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20040819185640.0495cce0@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1092967453.4574.206.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 19:08, marci and rex wrote: > I'm at the Mass subscription page now and I dont see anything > like that .. what I show is this: > send welcome messages...( no/yes options) The 'Subscribe' option should be just above the 'send welcome...' option. What version of Mailman are you running and on what operating system? David From dbl at tentra.com Fri Aug 20 04:21:46 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:21:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re add members w/o confirming & a good MUA In-Reply-To: <20040819212436.516e16cf@osage.osagesoftware.com> References: <20040819183118.6EBDC1E400A@bag.python.org> <5.1.1.6.0.20040819180631.0495cce0@mail.comcast.net> <20040819212436.516e16cf@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: <1092968506.4574.213.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 20:24, David Relson wrote: > On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:25:40 -0500 > marci and rex wrote: > > > > > > RE: adding members without having them confirm? > > >David said: > > You can also subscribe members in the List Administration web > > interface under Membership Management > Mass Subscription. This is > > much easier for a non-techie. > > a different David ;) > > A few months ago, I started hosting the bogofilter mailing lists. They > had been hosted elsewhere using qmail and ezmlm. Given subscriber > lists, I was able to use mailman's add_members commands. With separate > lists of regular and digest subscribers (and the corresponding '-r' and > '-d' options) and the "--welcome-msg=n" option, I was able to subscribe > everyone without any need for action by the individual subscribers. Yes. If you have shell access, this will definitely work but it doesn't sound like marci and rex have shell access. Or do they? David From dbl at tentra.com Fri Aug 20 06:11:06 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:11:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re add members w/o confirming & a good MUA In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20040819215708.04adf268@mail.comcast.net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20040819185640.0495cce0@mail.comcast.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20040819180631.0495cce0@mail.comcast.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20040819180631.0495cce0@mail.comcast.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20040819185640.0495cce0@mail.comcast.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20040819215708.04adf268@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1092975065.4574.226.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 22:02, marci and rex wrote: > At 09:04 PM 8/19/2004, David Blomquist wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 19:08, marci and rex wrote: > > > > > I'm at the Mass subscription page now and I dont see anything > > > like that .. what I show is this: > > > send welcome messages...( no/yes options) > > > > The 'Subscribe' option should be just above the 'send welcome...' > > option. > > Nope.. its not there... just the blue bar saying Mass Subscriptions > > and then the Send welcome ... Looks like the LFCHosting guys took > > it out... > > What version of Mailman are you running and on what operating > > system? > > 2.1.4 and we are using it from the LFCHosting website...I dont > > know what they are running.. > So it looks like we're up the creek,then , huh......... It would appear that way :( The admins at LFCHosting probably did this to prevent spammers from abusing their service, which is not a bad idea, but doesn't help your situation. The only other way to get around this that I know of is to choose 'Require approval' instead of 'Confirm' on the Privacy page. This will simply require you to approve the subscription requests on the 'pending moderator requests' page instead of the users confirming the requests. I would assume that your hosting service removed this option too, though. David From wrybread at gmail.com Fri Aug 20 08:36:29 2004 From: wrybread at gmail.com (alec bennet) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:36:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] paid gig installing mailman on redhat (repost) Message-ID: Sorry for the repost, but I said in my last post to contact me off-list, without reallizing that this list doesn't post email addys. So please contact me at wrybread at DAMNSPAMMERSgmail.com To restate my original post: We're trying to get Mailman 2.1 working on a Redhat 9 box, which is running Qmail. We've done all (I think) of the recommended fixes for the Redhat 9 & Mailman 2.1 combo, and we think the remaining problem(s) are with Qmail, but we're at the end of our rope. We'd be glad to pay someone if they could deliver us from this hell. So if you're interested, please contact me at the above email. We could paypal you the funds. Thanks. From luis.talora at iesa.com.br Fri Aug 20 13:51:04 2004 From: luis.talora at iesa.com.br (Luis Fernando C. Talora) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:51:04 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Apache hostname Message-ID: Folks, I?ve built a server named edoras for Mailman, using Fedora Core 2. My DNS have entries for both http://edoras.mydomain.com and www.mydomain.com, both pointing to the same IP address. When I try to access the list administration page using www.mydomain.com/mailman/test-list/admin, it opens OK. When I click on some links, such as Digest Options, the browser is redirected to http://edoras.mydomain.com/mailman/test-list/admin and asks for list administration password again. I don?t want to use edoras, the host name, from the web. Were can I tell Mailman or Apache (or both) not to use the hostname and use "www" instead? Could some one help me? Thank you all! Regards, _______________________ Luis Fernando C. Talora ========================================================= Esta mensagem pode conter informa??o confidencial e/ou privilegiada. Se voc? n?o for o destinat?rio ou a pessoa autorizada a receber esta mensagem, n?o dever? utilizar, copiar, alterar, divulgar a informa??o nela contida ou tomar qualquer a??o baseada nessas informa??es. Se voc? recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor avise imediatamente o remetente, respondendo o e-mail e em seguida apague-o. Agradecemos sua coopera??o. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, change, take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. ========================================================= From erin at thedalzells.org Fri Aug 20 17:12:05 2004 From: erin at thedalzells.org (Erin Dalzell) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:12:05 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Apache hostname In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <412614C5.30500@thedalzells.org> Luis Fernando C. Talora wrote: > Folks, > > I?ve built a server named edoras for Mailman, using Fedora Core 2. My DNS > have entries for both http://edoras.mydomain.com and www.mydomain.com, both > pointing to the same IP address. When I try to access the list > administration page using www.mydomain.com/mailman/test-list/admin, it opens > OK. When I click on some links, such as Digest Options, the browser is > redirected to http://edoras.mydomain.com/mailman/test-list/admin and asks > for list administration password again. I don?t want to use edoras, the host > name, from the web. > > Were can I tell Mailman or Apache (or both) not to use the hostname and use > "www" instead? Could some one help me? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.29. emd From anoopatre at yahoo.com Fri Aug 20 17:33:14 2004 From: anoopatre at yahoo.com (Anoop Atre) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Apache hostname In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040820153314.11861.qmail@web81108.mail.yahoo.com> In addition to Erin's link refer to the following messages and threads about Mailman & virtual hosts. http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-June/037514.html http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-February/026513.html I myself gave-up on setting up a Mailman virtual host setup recently, I was sure I did everything right but it just wasn't working so I decided to get lazy : ) and changed my host's name, better luck (and brains) to you. ~ --- "Luis Fernando C. Talora" wrote: > Folks, > > I?ve built a server named edoras for Mailman, using > Fedora Core 2. My DNS > have entries for both http://edoras.mydomain.com and > www.mydomain.com, both > pointing to the same IP address. When I try to > access the list > administration page using > www.mydomain.com/mailman/test-list/admin, it opens > OK. When I click on some links, such as Digest > Options, the browser is > redirected to > http://edoras.mydomain.com/mailman/test-list/admin > and asks > for list administration password again. I don?t want > to use edoras, the host > name, from the web. > > Were can I tell Mailman or Apache (or both) not to > use the hostname and use > "www" instead? Could some one help me? > > Thank you all! > > Regards, > > > _______________________ > Luis Fernando C. Talora > > > > > > > ========================================================= > > Esta mensagem pode conter informa??o confidencial > e/ou privilegiada. Se voc? > > n?o for o destinat?rio ou a pessoa autorizada a > receber esta mensagem, n?o > dever? > utilizar, copiar, alterar, divulgar a informa??o > nela contida ou tomar > qualquer a??o > baseada nessas informa??es. Se voc? recebeu esta > mensagem por engano, por > favor > avise imediatamente o remetente, respondendo o > e-mail e em seguida apague-o. > > Agradecemos sua coopera??o. > > This message may contain confidential and/or > privileged information. If you > are not the addressee or authorized to receive this > for the addressee, you > must not use, copy, disclose, change, take any > action based on this message > or any information herein. If you have received this > message in error, > please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail > and delete this > message. Thank you for your cooperation. > ========================================================= > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > From msapiro at value.net Fri Aug 20 17:44:21 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:44:21 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] paid gig installing mailman on redhat (repost) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ----- Original Message --------------- Subject: [Mailman-Users] paid gig installing mailman on redhat (repost) From: alec bennet Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:36:29 -0700 To: mailman-users at python.org >Sorry for the repost, but I said in my last post to contact me >off-list, without reallizing that this list doesn't post email addys. What makes you think that? Your name and address are in the From: header and your Reply-To: header is preserved as you sent it. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From luis.talora at iesa.com.br Fri Aug 20 18:15:14 2004 From: luis.talora at iesa.com.br (Luis Fernando C. Talora) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:15:14 -0300 Subject: RES: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Apache hostname Message-ID: I made it, and it worked... There is somehing else, though: if I go to http://edoras.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo, I see the lists I?ve created before. If I go to http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo, no mailing lists are shown. If I create a new on using the www host, it is shown, though. It seems that mail behaves just like edoras and www were different machines. It?s really interesting. Is there any way to tell my old lists that they are hosted at www.mydomain.com, and no longer at edoras.mydomain.com? That woul solve the problem... Thank you very much! Regards, Talora -----Mensagem original----- De: Erin Dalzell [mailto:erin at thedalzells.org] Enviada em: sexta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2004 12:12 Para: Luis Fernando C. Talora Cc: mailman-users at python.org Assunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Apache hostname Luis Fernando C. Talora wrote: > Folks, > > I?ve built a server named edoras for Mailman, using Fedora Core 2. My DNS > have entries for both http://edoras.mydomain.com and www.mydomain.com, both > pointing to the same IP address. When I try to access the list > administration page using www.mydomain.com/mailman/test-list/admin, it opens > OK. When I click on some links, such as Digest Options, the browser is > redirected to http://edoras.mydomain.com/mailman/test-list/admin and asks > for list administration password again. I don?t want to use edoras, the host > name, from the web. > > Were can I tell Mailman or Apache (or both) not to use the hostname and use > "www" instead? Could some one help me? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.29. emd ========================================================= Esta mensagem pode conter informa??o confidencial e/ou privilegiada. Se voc? n?o for o destinat?rio ou a pessoa autorizada a receber esta mensagem, n?o dever? utilizar, copiar, alterar, divulgar a informa??o nela contida ou tomar qualquer a??o baseada nessas informa??es. Se voc? recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor avise imediatamente o remetente, respondendo o e-mail e em seguida apague-o. Agradecemos sua coopera??o. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, change, take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. ========================================================= From khj at be.cs.appstate.edu Fri Aug 20 18:17:04 2004 From: khj at be.cs.appstate.edu (Kenneth Jacker) Date: 20 Aug 2004 12:17:04 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forcing All Admin Pages to SSL Message-ID: [Debian/sarge, mailman-2.1.4-5] I swear that earlier versions (e.g., 2.1b3+) would use "https:" for all pages when I came into an admin page using "https:". Now, the initial page does, in fact, use SSL, but the later pages revert to "http:". I've changed, DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman' to, DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman' in "mm_cfg.py", but this isn't giving me the behavior I want. Anyone know if this is possible (short of a "recursive grep" on all the Mailman pages!)? Thanks. -- Prof Kenneth H Jacker khj at cs.appstate.edu Computer Science Dept www.cs.appstate.edu/~khj Appalachian State Univ Boone, NC 28608 USA From ralph at netzbeben.de Fri Aug 20 18:52:57 2004 From: ralph at netzbeben.de (ralph at netzbeben.de) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:52:57 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Mailman on RedHat and Apache - Premature End of script headers Message-ID: <1444958822.20040820185257@verrueckt.de> Hello everyone, i noticed that other people have a similiar issue, but there was no help yet. I installed mailman and after doing the necessary changes to httpd.conf i tried to check out if the cgi will work or not. and it does not. http://myserver/mailman/admin will give a Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, root at localhost and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. The httpd-log says: Premature End of script headers: admin apache runs the cgi-bin as user/group: nobody where is the error? i followed the instructions.. seems that something's wrong with python?!! thanks! Ralph From jwilliams at mail.wtamu.edu Fri Aug 20 19:50:20 2004 From: jwilliams at mail.wtamu.edu (James Williams) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:50:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner efficiency Message-ID: <20040820175020.452B13E621A@mail.wtamu.edu> Hello List, This is my first time posting to the list. I hope you guys can help. I maintain a list with about 1200 members on it. Recently I upgraded the operating system on the mail server from redhat 8 to redhat advanced server. I'm still using the 2.0.13 version that was supplied with redhat 8, but now when I try to send a message to the list the list does not send the message. It stay's in the queue and creates a lock file. I read/followed the recommendation on (http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.019.htp), but with no luck. Anybody have any ideas as to what I need to do? I should be able to provide any information that you guys request. Thank you, James From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Aug 20 19:50:23 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:50:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forcing All Admin Pages to SSL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69658864-F2D1-11D8-A58E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On 20 Aug 2004, at 17:17, Kenneth Jacker wrote: > [Debian/sarge, mailman-2.1.4-5] > > I swear that earlier versions (e.g., 2.1b3+) would use "https:" for > all pages when I came into an admin page using "https:". Now, the > initial page does, in fact, use SSL, but the later pages revert to > "http:". > > I've changed, > > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman' > > to, > > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman' > > in "mm_cfg.py", but this isn't giving me the behavior I want. > > This FAQ page may help: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp > Anyone know if this is possible (short of a "recursive grep" on > all the Mailman pages!)? > > Thanks. > -- > Prof Kenneth H Jacker khj at cs.appstate.edu > Computer Science Dept www.cs.appstate.edu/~khj > Appalachian State Univ > Boone, NC 28608 USA From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Aug 20 19:53:29 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:53:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Mailman on RedHat and Apache - Premature End of script headers In-Reply-To: <1444958822.20040820185257@verrueckt.de> References: <1444958822.20040820185257@verrueckt.de> Message-ID: Anything logged in the Mailman error log ($prefix/logs/error)? What OS? What version of MM? How installed? On 20 Aug 2004, at 17:52, ralph at netzbeben.de wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > i noticed that other people have a similiar issue, but there was no > help yet. > > I installed mailman and after doing the necessary changes to > httpd.conf i tried to check out if the cgi will work or not. and it > does not. > > http://myserver/mailman/admin > > will give a > > Internal Server Error > The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was > unable to complete your request. > Please contact the server administrator, root at localhost and inform > them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done > that may have caused the error. > More information about this error may be available in the server error > log. > > The httpd-log says: Premature End of script headers: admin > > apache runs the cgi-bin as user/group: nobody > > where is the error? i followed the instructions.. > > seems that something's wrong with python?!! > > thanks! > > Ralph > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > From dbl at tentra.com Fri Aug 20 19:59:05 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:59:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Failure to find group name" error In-Reply-To: <200408201019.45466.paul.bromiley@man.ac.uk> References: <200408172052.40724.paul.bromiley@man.ac.uk> <1092903379.4578.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200408201019.45466.paul.bromiley@man.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1093024745.4574.238.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Paul, On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 05:19, Paul Bromiley wrote: > Hello, > > I tried that first time around, using yum. I got a similar error to the one I > am getting now: when I tried to access the admin page for the site list, it > gave an error saying that it could not find the group name for group 48, > which is apache on my machine. Reading around on the web, I came to the > conclusion that mailman was expecting to be run under a different group ID, > and that by installing from the tarball I could set the group ID to be the > aapche group ID at the configuration stage. However, this doesn't seem to > have worked either. Did you do anything special (i.e. anything ouside > installing the RPM then following the instructions in INSTALL.REDHAT) when > you installed mailman? > > Cheers, > Dr. Paul A. Bromiley I've been building list servers on Redhat/Fedora for several years and the rpms for Fedora Core 1 and 2 have been especially easy to install and configure. You *should* be able to install mailman using yum (I use apt) without any difficulty. The rpm installation creates the user mailman and runs mailman under the group mailman. I seem to remember having the same issue that your having a couple of years ago but can't recall how I resolved it (that was many servers ago). If you do not have too much time invested in configuring your server, you may want to simply reload it. I have done several FC2 installs with the stock mailman rpms without any problems. I am curious about this issue but have to leave the office for a while and won't be able to research this now. David From ralph at netzbeben.de Fri Aug 20 20:13:49 2004 From: ralph at netzbeben.de (ralph at netzbeben.de) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:13:49 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Mailman on RedHat and Apache - Premature End of script headers In-Reply-To: References: <1444958822.20040820185257@verrueckt.de> Message-ID: <383539598.20040820201349@verrueckt.de> Hi Richard! There's no log in $prefix/logs/error.. does that mean apache doesn't even start the cgi? My versions: RedHat 9 Apache 2.0.48 Python 2.3.4 Mailman 2.1.5 I installed following the INSTALL-Instructions.. (compiling etc. i arrived at httpd.conf and did the changes..) I just upgraded to Python 2.3.4 and recompiled mailman but the error still occurs. > Anything logged in the Mailman error log ($prefix/logs/error)? > What OS? What version of MM? How installed? >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> i noticed that other people have a similiar issue, but there was no >> help yet. >> >> I installed mailman and after doing the necessary changes to >> httpd.conf i tried to check out if the cgi will work or not. and it >> does not. >> >> http://myserver/mailman/admin >> >> will give a >> >> Internal Server Error >> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was >> unable to complete your request. >> Please contact the server administrator, root at localhost and inform >> them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done >> that may have caused the error. >> More information about this error may be available in the server error >> log. >> >> The httpd-log says: Premature End of script headers: admin >> >> apache runs the cgi-bin as user/group: nobody >> >> where is the error? i followed the instructions.. >> >> seems that something's wrong with python?!! >> >> thanks! >> From dhicks at i-hicks.org Fri Aug 20 20:52:46 2004 From: dhicks at i-hicks.org (David C. Hicks) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:52:46 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients ?? Message-ID: <4126487E.6020604@i-hicks.org> Hi, I've been getting a lot of errors of this nature lately on a list that I run. It appears that mailman might be trying to re-send the message to everyone in the "To:" field, instead of just to the list members, and it isn't expecting to have to do that. I can't find any configuration item that seems to be able to control this behavior. Anyone seen this or know anything about it? For now, I have to go and approve every message where someone has included my list posting address with other addresses. Kind of a pain. Thanks! Dave From jeff at look.net Fri Aug 20 21:09:17 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:09:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients ?? In-Reply-To: <4126487E.6020604@i-hicks.org> References: <4126487E.6020604@i-hicks.org> Message-ID: <6EC7D0F8-F2DC-11D8-B641-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 20, 2004, at 2:52 PM, David C. Hicks wrote: > Hi, > > I've been getting a lot of errors of this nature lately on a list that > I run. It appears that mailman might be trying to re-send the message > to everyone in the "To:" field, instead of just to the list members, > and it isn't expecting to have to do that. I can't find any > configuration item that seems to be able to control this behavior. No, that's not it. You're hitting the recipient limit. > Anyone seen this or know anything about it? For now, I have to go and > approve every message where someone has included my list posting > address with other addresses. Kind of a pain. See 'Recipient filters' under 'Privacy options'. -Jeff From jeff at look.net Fri Aug 20 21:32:23 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:32:23 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients ?? In-Reply-To: <41265031.1040101@i-hicks.org> References: <4126487E.6020604@i-hicks.org> <6EC7D0F8-F2DC-11D8-B641-000A959666F6@look.net> <41265031.1040101@i-hicks.org> Message-ID: On Aug 20, 2004, at 3:25 PM, David C. Hicks wrote: > > > Jeff Barger wrote: >> No, that's not it. You're hitting the recipient limit. > > That would make sense if it was a big mailing list, but there are only > 8 people in it. I did find the limit configuration item and set it to > 0. It was 20 before. The recipient limit is for incoming email, not outgoing. > The reason I think it's looking at the "TO" field recipients is that > this only happens when the mailing list is included along with other > addresses originally. That's correct. Mailman looks at the To and CC fields, adds them up and compares them to the recipient limit. -Jeff From taursus at ix.netcom.com Fri Aug 20 21:39:08 2004 From: taursus at ix.netcom.com (Charles Mikecz Vamossy) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:39:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040820152709.04c6dbd8@popd.ix.netcom.com> HI, I am a new member of the list and a list administrator responsible for two lists. Frankly I am struggling with some of the features and functions and I thought I would ask "my elders" for some guidance. Our lists are very simple: we distribute weekly information to members about our organization's programs. Our members sign themselves up automatically, receive a confirmation request and when they respond, they get a welcome letter. Only two people (who are also the administrators) can send postings. Letters sent by other members and non-members should be rejected automatically, with an explanation. (They can write to our organization directly...) The problem is that non-members have apparently written postings and we, laboring under the impression that if we do nothing, their letters will get deleted, did in fact do nothing - and the letters appeared on the list. Apparently, we are told by the folks who run the lists for us, there is a "set period of quarantine", and when that expires, the letters are treated as approved. This is news to us, and we are unable to find any reference to it in any documentation. Can you help us and tell us where to find information on this? Are there any parameters we can set differently? Is there anyone out there with a similar problem and how do you handle it? many thanks in advance Charles From jeff at look.net Fri Aug 20 21:47:16 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:47:16 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040820152709.04c6dbd8@popd.ix.netcom.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040820152709.04c6dbd8@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: On Aug 20, 2004, at 3:39 PM, Charles Mikecz Vamossy wrote: > > The problem is that non-members have apparently written postings and > we, laboring under the impression that if we do nothing, their letters > will get deleted, did in fact do nothing - and the letters appeared on > the list. Apparently, we are told by the folks who run the lists for > us, there is a "set period of quarantine", and when that expires, the > letters are treated as approved. This is news to us, and we are > unable to find any reference to it in any documentation. > News to me as well. No mailman installation I've ever dealt with has acted like this. I know of no configuration parameter that could control this, so if it's true I expect it's something added by your host. The easy way around this would be to set it to reject any moderated (and non-member) posts. -Jeff From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Aug 20 22:17:34 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:17:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040820152709.04c6dbd8@popd.ix.netcom.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040820152709.04c6dbd8@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: On 20 Aug 2004, at 20:39, Charles Mikecz Vamossy wrote: > HI, I am a new member of the list and a list administrator responsible > for two lists. Frankly I am struggling with some of the features and > functions and I thought I would ask "my elders" for some guidance. > > Our lists are very simple: we distribute weekly information to members > about our organization's programs. Our members sign themselves up > automatically, receive a confirmation request and when they respond, > they get a welcome letter. Only two people (who are also the > administrators) can send postings. Letters sent by other members and > non-members should be rejected automatically, with an explanation. > (They can write to our organization directly...) > > The problem is that non-members have apparently written postings and > we, laboring under the impression that if we do nothing, their letters > will get deleted, did in fact do nothing - and the letters appeared on > the list. Apparently, we are told by the folks who run the lists for > us, there is a "set period of quarantine", and when that expires, the > letters are treated as approved. This is news to us, and we are > unable to find any reference to it in any documentation. No version of MM since I started using it with version 2.0.3 has behaved this way so it is news to me too. Held postings will be held indefinitely with MM sender regular reminders to the list admins that there are held postings. You do not say what version of MM you are running (or rather is being run on your behalf). If it is MM 2.1.x you should be able to use the Privacy options on the web admin GUI senders filter page for the list to arrange for postings from anyone other than your nominated list posters automatically rejected or discarded. Presumably you have already set moderation on for all your subscribers. Is it possible someone with list admin access approved the postings and the explanation you have received is just trying to explain that away by positing some non-existent MM feature? > > Can you help us and tell us where to find information on this? Are > there any parameters we can set differently? Is there anyone out > there with a similar problem and how do you handle it? > > many thanks in advance > > Charles From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Aug 20 22:22:23 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:22:23 +0100 Subject: Fwd: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question Message-ID: Am I alone in taking exception to people posting to this list and then having some crap software intercepting the responses they have solicited from the list's subscribers. Begin forwarded message: > From: automated-response at earthlink.net > Date: 20 August 2004 21:17:52 BST > To: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk > Subject: Re: Re: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question > Reply-To: nobody at earthlink.net > > This is an automatic reply to your email message to > taursus at ix.netcom.com > > This email address is protected by EarthLink spamBlocker. Your email > message has been redirected to a "suspect email" folder for > taursus at ix.netcom.com. In order for your message to be moved to this > recipient's Inbox, he or she must add your email address to a list of > allowed senders. > > Click the link below to request that taursus at ix.netcom.com add you to > this list. > > > https://webmail.pas.earthlink.net/wam/addme? > a=taursus at ix.netcom.com&id=1bYfPFEY3NZFjw0 From dbl at tentra.com Fri Aug 20 22:28:55 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:28:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Failure to find group name" error In-Reply-To: <1093024745.4574.238.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200408172052.40724.paul.bromiley@man.ac.uk> <1092903379.4578.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200408201019.45466.paul.bromiley@man.ac.uk> <1093024745.4574.238.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1093033734.4574.242.camel@localhost.localdomain> It is also always a good idea to run (in the case of Fedora): # /var/mailman/bin/check_perms David From dbl at tentra.com Fri Aug 20 22:34:22 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:34:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re add members w/o confirming & a good MUA In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20040820062213.04a4edc8@mail.comcast.net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20040819215708.04adf268@mail.comcast.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20040819185640.0495cce0@mail.comcast.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20040819180631.0495cce0@mail.comcast.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20040819180631.0495cce0@mail.comcast.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20040819185640.0495cce0@mail.comcast.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20040819215708.04adf268@mail.comcast.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20040820062213.04a4edc8@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1093034062.4574.248.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 06:24, marci and rex wrote: > It may have.. ILl look when I get home... We do have it set up to > require approval anyway ... I dont know if this is the same thing > youre talking about... but we have to approve all subscriptions... The options on the stock mailman installation are 'Confirm', 'Require Approval' or 'Confirm and Approve'. You would want 'Require Approval' only. David From jeff at look.net Fri Aug 20 22:36:13 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:36:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <942DB620-F2E8-11D8-BF11-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 20, 2004, at 4:22 PM, Richard Barrett wrote: > Am I alone in taking exception to people posting to this list and then > having some crap software intercepting the responses they have > solicited from the list's subscribers. Nope, I expect that's a pretty crowded room :) -Jeff From dbl at tentra.com Fri Aug 20 23:09:48 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:09:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Apache hostname In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093036187.4574.267.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 06:51, Luis Fernando C. Talora wrote: > Folks, > > I??ve built a server named edoras for Mailman, using Fedora Core 2. My DNS > have entries for both http://edoras.mydomain.com and www.mydomain.com, both > pointing to the same IP address. When I try to access the list > administration page using www.mydomain.com/mailman/test-list/admin, it opens > OK. When I click on some links, such as Digest Options, the browser is > redirected to http://edoras.mydomain.com/mailman/test-list/admin and asks > for list administration password again. I don??t want to use edoras, the host > name, from the web. > > Were can I tell Mailman or Apache (or both) not to use the hostname and use > "www" instead? Could some one help me? > > Thank you all! > > Regards, > > > _______________________ > Luis Fernando C. Talora On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 10:12, Erin Dalzell wrote: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.29. > > emd If you want to use just one default hostname for all your mailman lists, then you do not have to deal with virtual host setup for mailman. Follow the directions for the link above to edit the mm_cfg.py for 'Changing hostnames' but skip the virtual hostname section. This ensures that all *future* lists that you set up will use that hostname. Then log in to the adminstrative web interface for *each* list that you have already created and change the hostname on the General Options page (towards the bottom) to the hostname you want to use (www.yourhost.com). That's it! David From dbl at tentra.com Fri Aug 20 23:17:48 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:17:48 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093036668.4574.271.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 15:22, Richard Barrett wrote: > Am I alone in taking exception to people posting to this list and then > having some crap software intercepting the responses they have > solicited from the list's subscribers. Well, if they only want to receive messages from the list itself and not from personal email addresses, I suppose it is within their right and it is their choice to do so. David From msapiro at value.net Fri Aug 20 23:22:18 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:22:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question In-Reply-To: <942DB620-F2E8-11D8-BF11-000A959666F6@look.net> Message-ID: Jeff Barger wrote: > >On Aug 20, 2004, at 4:22 PM, Richard Barrett wrote: > >> Am I alone in taking exception to people posting to this list and then >> having some crap software intercepting the responses they have >> solicited from the list's subscribers. > >Nope, I expect that's a pretty crowded room :) > For the record. I'm in there too. In fairness to the OP, he may not be aware of this, but I wish people could understand that autoresponders, mandatory white lists and so forth are not compatible with mailing list participation. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dbl at tentra.com Fri Aug 20 23:25:18 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:25:18 -0500 Subject: RES: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Apache hostname In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093037118.4574.276.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 11:15, Luis Fernando C. Talora wrote: > Is there any way to tell my old lists that they are hosted at > www.mydomain.com, and no longer at edoras.mydomain.com? That woul solve the > problem... > > Thank you very much! > > Regards, > > Talora Luis, Remove any virtual hosting configuration that you have created in the mm_cfg.py but keep the DEFAULT... settings that you edited. Then follow the instructions for each editing each list I gave in my previous email. David From msapiro at value.net Fri Aug 20 23:32:05 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:32:05 -0700 Subject: Fwd: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question In-Reply-To: <1093036668.4574.271.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: David Blomquist wrote: >On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 15:22, Richard Barrett wrote: >> Am I alone in taking exception to people posting to this list and then >> having some crap software intercepting the responses they have >> solicited from the list's subscribers. > >Well, if they only want to receive messages from the list itself and not >from personal email addresses, I suppose it is within their right and it >is their choice to do so. > Yes, I suppose it is their choice, and if they choose to silently trash the inevitable direct replies to their posts, I have no objection, but if they (or "some crap software" on their behalf) insist on informing me that my reply to their post is not accepted, then I do object. Also, I wonder if they have "avoid duplicate copies" turned off. If not, they won't receive either the direct reply or the reply from the list. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dbl at tentra.com Fri Aug 20 23:34:21 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:34:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forcing All Admin Pages to SSL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093037660.4574.285.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 11:17, Kenneth Jacker wrote: > [Debian/sarge, mailman-2.1.4-5] > > I swear that earlier versions (e.g., 2.1b3+) would use "https:" for > all pages when I came into an admin page using "https:". Now, the > initial page does, in fact, use SSL, but the later pages revert to > "http:". > > I've changed, > > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman' > > to, > > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman' > > in "mm_cfg.py", but this isn't giving me the behavior I want. Kenneth, Make sure that you edit any RedirectMatch statements in your Apache configuration such as: RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://www.yourhost.com/mailman/listinfo are also changed to: RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ https://www.yourhost.com/mailman/listinfo *note https in second statement. David From dbl at tentra.com Fri Aug 20 23:55:15 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:55:15 -0500 Subject: RES: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Apache hostname In-Reply-To: <1093037118.4574.276.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1093037118.4574.276.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1093038915.4574.295.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 16:25, David Blomquist wrote: > Luis, > > Remove any virtual hosting configuration that you have created in the > mm_cfg.py but keep the DEFAULT... settings that you edited. Then follow > the instructions for each editing each list I gave in my previous email. > > David To clarify what I wrote earlier, the DEFAULT_URL_HOST setting in the mm_cfg.py should be whatever you want the mailman site to appear as i.e. www.yourhost.com. You should have this line in the mm_cfg.py file too: add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) All other virtual hosting configuration that you may have added should be removed. The DEFAULT_URL_HOST setting should match the hostname parameter in the General Options page for each list. David From jeff at look.net Fri Aug 20 23:59:20 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:59:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <301F7C47-F2F4-11D8-9553-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 20, 2004, at 5:32 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > David Blomquist wrote: > >> On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 15:22, Richard Barrett wrote: >>> Am I alone in taking exception to people posting to this list and >>> then >>> having some crap software intercepting the responses they have >>> solicited from the list's subscribers. >> >> Well, if they only want to receive messages from the list itself and >> not >> from personal email addresses, I suppose it is within their right and >> it >> is their choice to do so. >> > > Yes, I suppose it is their choice, and if they choose to silently trash > the inevitable direct replies to their posts, I have no objection, but > if they (or "some crap software" on their behalf) insist on informing > me that my reply to their post is not accepted, then I do object. > > Also, I wonder if they have "avoid duplicate copies" turned off. If > not, they won't receive either the direct reply or the reply from the > list. I've added a little snippet to FAQ entries 1.22 and 1.23 suggesting that people turn such things off. Feel free to change/correct/elaborate. -Jeff From johanna at atlas.puj.edu.co Sat Aug 21 02:00:40 2004 From: johanna at atlas.puj.edu.co (johanna) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:00:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help me with newlist Message-ID: <20040820220843.M67860@atlas.puj.edu.co> Hi I'm a Web Master at university Javeriana Cali - Colombia , and we are using mailman 2.0.11. with postfix 2.0.2 I have the following problem: when I create a list,a "segmentation fault" error occurs but the list is created. can you give some help about it? Also When a user wants to make a subscribtion via the web page, it submits the information and an error page is showed reporting the following error: Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster at atlas.puj.edu.co and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. but the mail address is successfuly added to the list. maybe both errors are related. ----------------------------------------- G. Johanna Chala T. Estudiante IX semestre Ing. de Sistemas y Computacion Pontificia Universidad Javeriana Cali Web Master Facultad de Ingenieria From taursus at ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 21 06:31:47 2004 From: taursus at ix.netcom.com (Charles Mikecz Vamossy) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:31:47 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question In-Reply-To: References: <942DB620-F2E8-11D8-BF11-000A959666F6@look.net> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040821002241.04c5a908@popd.ix.netcom.com> At 02:22 PM 8/20/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Jeff Barger wrote: > > > >On Aug 20, 2004, at 4:22 PM, Richard Barrett wrote: > > > >> Am I alone in taking exception to people posting to this list and then > >> having some crap software intercepting the responses they have > >> solicited from the list's subscribers. > > > >Nope, I expect that's a pretty crowded room :) > > > >For the record. I'm in there too. > >In fairness to the OP, he may not be aware of this, but I wish people >could understand that autoresponders, mandatory white lists and so >forth are not compatible with mailing list participation. > >-- >Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan Thank you for your clarification. I had no idea - why would I? - that signing up for a mailing list would generate all these individual e-mails coming in from people, as opposed emails coming from the list itself. Had I known that - given that I am using my ISP's spamblocker software - would have never signed up. Using Mailman - as opposed to some of the other popular list programs has turned into a giant headache. I understand that it is complex and has many parameters, but I did not think it would cause so much trouble. Now I understand why our subsribers are so unhappy with it. I am signing off this list with apologies, I did not intend to trouble you. I am also immediately starting our migration off Mailman. BTW, I participate in a number of mailing lists on Yahoo and never had the this happen to me. All the mail - whether individual or digest form - come from a single source, which is enabled on my spamblocker to get through. Charles From taursus at ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 21 06:33:58 2004 From: taursus at ix.netcom.com (Charles Mikecz Vamossy) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:33:58 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040821001721.04c697f0@popd.ix.netcom.com> I have no idea, Richard, if you are alone or not, but you note is certainly unique. I am sorry to have bothered you with my "crap" and I am resigning from the list. Charles I am leaving the listAt 09:22 PM 8/20/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Am I alone in taking exception to people posting to this list and then >having some crap software intercepting the responses they have >solicited from the list's subscribers. > >Begin forwarded message: > >>From: automated-response at earthlink.net >>Date: 20 August 2004 21:17:52 BST >>To: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk >>Subject: Re: Re: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question >>Reply-To: nobody at earthlink.net >> >>This is an automatic reply to your email message to >>taursus at ix.netcom.com >> >>This email address is protected by EarthLink spamBlocker. Your email >>message has been redirected to a "suspect email" folder for >>taursus at ix.netcom.com. In order for your message to be moved to this >>recipient's Inbox, he or she must add your email address to a list of >>allowed senders. >> >>Click the link below to request that taursus at ix.netcom.com add you to >>this list. >> >> >>https://webmail.pas.earthlink.net/wam/addme? >>a=taursus at ix.netcom.com&id=1bYfPFEY3NZFjw0 > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From taursus at ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 21 06:45:35 2004 From: taursus at ix.netcom.com (Charles Mikecz Vamossy) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:45:35 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question Message-ID: <17973162.1093063535846.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Richard - I am sorry your note got caught up in my ISP's "crap" software. Actually, I had no idea that you were going to send me a direct response to a question I posed to a list. Had I known that, I would not have bothered to sign up. I don't know if it was Mailman or you, yourself, who decided to put your email address in the "from" field", but I signed up for a daily digest form, mailed firectly from the list and not all this "crap" - as you call it. Charles -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett Sent: Aug 20, 2004 4:17 PM To: Charles Mikecz Vamossy Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question On 20 Aug 2004, at 20:39, Charles Mikecz Vamossy wrote: > HI, I am a new member of the list and a list administrator responsible > for two lists. Frankly I am struggling with some of the features and > functions and I thought I would ask "my elders" for some guidance. > > Our lists are very simple: we distribute weekly information to members > about our organization's programs. Our members sign themselves up > automatically, receive a confirmation request and when they respond, > they get a welcome letter. Only two people (who are also the > administrators) can send postings. Letters sent by other members and > non-members should be rejected automatically, with an explanation. > (They can write to our organization directly...) > > The problem is that non-members have apparently written postings and > we, laboring under the impression that if we do nothing, their letters > will get deleted, did in fact do nothing - and the letters appeared on > the list. Apparently, we are told by the folks who run the lists for > us, there is a "set period of quarantine", and when that expires, the > letters are treated as approved. This is news to us, and we are > unable to find any reference to it in any documentation. No version of MM since I started using it with version 2.0.3 has behaved this way so it is news to me too. Held postings will be held indefinitely with MM sender regular reminders to the list admins that there are held postings. You do not say what version of MM you are running (or rather is being run on your behalf). If it is MM 2.1.x you should be able to use the Privacy options on the web admin GUI senders filter page for the list to arrange for postings from anyone other than your nominated list posters automatically rejected or discarded. Presumably you have already set moderation on for all your subscribers. Is it possible someone with list admin access approved the postings and the explanation you have received is just trying to explain that away by positing some non-existent MM feature? > > Can you help us and tell us where to find information on this? Are > there any parameters we can set differently? Is there anyone out > there with a similar problem and how do you handle it? > > many thanks in advance > > Charles From taursus at ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 21 06:46:53 2004 From: taursus at ix.netcom.com (Charles Mikecz Vamossy) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:46:53 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question In-Reply-To: <942DB620-F2E8-11D8-BF11-000A959666F6@look.net> References: <942DB620-F2E8-11D8-BF11-000A959666F6@look.net> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040821004632.04c966e0@popd.ix.netcom.com> At 04:36 PM 8/20/2004 -0400, Jeff Barger wrote: >On Aug 20, 2004, at 4:22 PM, Richard Barrett wrote: > >>Am I alone in taking exception to people posting to this list and then >>having some crap software intercepting the responses they have solicited >>from the list's subscribers. > >Nope, I expect that's a pretty crowded room :) > > >-Jeff Don't worry, Jeff, you can have your room back. From taursus at ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 21 06:50:40 2004 From: taursus at ix.netcom.com (Charles Mikecz Vamossy) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:50:40 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question In-Reply-To: <1093036668.4574.271.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1093036668.4574.271.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040821004731.04ccefd0@popd.ix.netcom.com> At 04:17 PM 8/20/2004 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 15:22, Richard Barrett wrote: > > Am I alone in taking exception to people posting to this list and then > > having some crap software intercepting the responses they have > > solicited from the list's subscribers. > >Well, if they only want to receive messages from the list itself and not >from personal email addresses, I suppose it is within their right and it >is their choice to do so. > >David It is also the intuitive thing to do and is also the common practice with most list management services. I write to a list - I expect my responses come from the list, especially if I sign up for a daily digest. Instead I am bombarded by hostile individual responses. Very unpleasant to be on the receiving end of list running on a Mailman server. I know know how my users feel... From taursus at ix.netcom.com Sat Aug 21 06:55:42 2004 From: taursus at ix.netcom.com (Charles Mikecz Vamossy) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:55:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question In-Reply-To: References: <942DB620-F2E8-11D8-BF11-000A959666F6@look.net> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040821005116.04c5a908@popd.ix.netcom.com> At 02:22 PM 8/20/2004 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: >Jeff Barger wrote: > > > >On Aug 20, 2004, at 4:22 PM, Richard Barrett wrote: > > > >> Am I alone in taking exception to people posting to this list and then > >> having some crap software intercepting the responses they have > >> solicited from the list's subscribers. > > > >Nope, I expect that's a pretty crowded room :) > > > >For the record. I'm in there too. > >In fairness to the OP, he may not be aware of this, but I wish people >could understand that autoresponders, mandatory white lists and so >forth are not compatible with mailing list participation. > >-- >Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan You really expect ordinary users, who sign up for a discussion list to understand autoresponders, mandatory white lists, etc??? Most have trouble just figuring out the difference between their user ID's and passwords. To reach a large number of users, the program should be simpler and intuitive (which I know requires a much better quality of development). So far my brief introduction to Mailman has been anything but... From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Sat Aug 21 07:02:23 2004 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:02:23 +0900 Subject: Fwd: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040821004731.04ccefd0@popd.ix.netcom.com> References: <1093036668.4574.271.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6.0.3.0.2.20040821004731.04ccefd0@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <4126D75F.9090605@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Charles Mikecz Vamossy wrote: > It is also the intuitive thing to do and is also the common practice > with most list management services. I write to a list - I expect my > responses come from the list, especially if I sign up for a daily > digest. Instead I am bombarded by hostile individual responses. > > Very unpleasant to be on the receiving end of list running on a Mailman > server. I know know how my users feel... You can configure your list work like Yahoo Group (or like). Read http:///mailman/admin//?VARHELP=general/reply_goes_to_list -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sat Aug 21 08:39:44 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:39:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question In-Reply-To: <17973162.1093063535846.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <17973162.1093063535846.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Charles As a matter of courtesy, when replying to question posted to the list by somebody, I always respond to the individual poster with a copy for information to the list so that the discussion is available to other subscribers and within the list archives. I have no objection to you having a spam management policy which may trap and even discard my response to you, even though you have actively solicited that message from me. That is your valid choice. What I object to is my inbox being further cluttered with messages, from spam management software telling me I have to fill in its form if I wish to communicate with this or that person. In my view such software just adds to the spam we are all suffering from. Richard On 21 Aug 2004, at 05:45, Charles Mikecz Vamossy wrote: > Richard - I am sorry your note got caught up in my ISP's "crap" > software. Actually, I had no idea that you were going to send me a > direct response to a question I posed to a list. Had I known that, I > would not have bothered to sign up. I don't know if it was Mailman or > you, yourself, who decided to put your email address in the "from" > field", but I signed up for a daily digest form, mailed firectly from > the list and not all this "crap" - as you call it. > > Charles > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Barrett > Sent: Aug 20, 2004 4:17 PM > To: Charles Mikecz Vamossy > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question > > > On 20 Aug 2004, at 20:39, Charles Mikecz Vamossy wrote: > >> HI, I am a new member of the list and a list administrator responsible >> for two lists. Frankly I am struggling with some of the features and >> functions and I thought I would ask "my elders" for some guidance. >> >> Our lists are very simple: we distribute weekly information to members >> about our organization's programs. Our members sign themselves up >> automatically, receive a confirmation request and when they respond, >> they get a welcome letter. Only two people (who are also the >> administrators) can send postings. Letters sent by other members and >> non-members should be rejected automatically, with an explanation. >> (They can write to our organization directly...) >> >> The problem is that non-members have apparently written postings and >> we, laboring under the impression that if we do nothing, their letters >> will get deleted, did in fact do nothing - and the letters appeared on >> the list. Apparently, we are told by the folks who run the lists for >> us, there is a "set period of quarantine", and when that expires, the >> letters are treated as approved. This is news to us, and we are >> unable to find any reference to it in any documentation. > > No version of MM since I started using it with version 2.0.3 has > behaved this way so it is news to me too. Held postings will be held > indefinitely with MM sender regular reminders to the list admins that > there are held postings. > > You do not say what version of MM you are running (or rather is being > run on your behalf). If it is MM 2.1.x you should be able to use the > Privacy options on the web admin GUI senders filter page for the list > to arrange for postings from anyone other than your nominated list > posters automatically rejected or discarded. Presumably you have > already set moderation on for all your subscribers. > > Is it possible someone with list admin access approved the postings and > the explanation you have received is just trying to explain that away > by positing some non-existent MM feature? > >> >> Can you help us and tell us where to find information on this? Are >> there any parameters we can set differently? Is there anyone out >> there with a similar problem and how do you handle it? >> >> many thanks in advance >> >> Charles > > From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sat Aug 21 09:19:20 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:19:20 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Mailman on RedHat and Apache - Premature End of script headers In-Reply-To: <383539598.20040820201349@verrueckt.de> References: <1444958822.20040820185257@verrueckt.de> <383539598.20040820201349@verrueckt.de> Message-ID: <6BD2B2E6-F342-11D8-A58E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On 20 Aug 2004, at 19:13, ralph at netzbeben.de wrote: > > Hi Richard! > > There's no log in $prefix/logs/error.. does that mean apache doesn't > even start the cgi? > It is not clear what is going wrong as this point. What should be happening is that: 1. Apache should run the $exec-prefix/cgi-bin/admin CGI wrapper. This in turn runs: 2. The Python script $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py From what you have said the first step does not appear to succeed. If it had then any subsequent error would have been reported by the wrapper. No evidence of a Python problem as such. You could check your syslog to see if the the wrapper managed to write anything there. But, if the Mailman install process did not report any errors, I suspect your problem lies with the httpd.conf entries. Where is $exec-prefix/cgi-bin/admin in your setup and what httpd.conf entries did you add? > My versions: > > RedHat 9 > Apache 2.0.48 > Python 2.3.4 > Mailman 2.1.5 > > I installed following the INSTALL-Instructions.. > (compiling etc. i arrived at httpd.conf and did the changes..) > > I just upgraded to Python 2.3.4 and recompiled mailman but the > error still occurs. > > >> Anything logged in the Mailman error log ($prefix/logs/error)? >> What OS? What version of MM? How installed? > >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> i noticed that other people have a similiar issue, but there was no >>> help yet. >>> >>> I installed mailman and after doing the necessary changes to >>> httpd.conf i tried to check out if the cgi will work or not. and it >>> does not. >>> >>> http://myserver/mailman/admin >>> >>> will give a >>> >>> Internal Server Error >>> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was >>> unable to complete your request. >>> Please contact the server administrator, root at localhost and inform >>> them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done >>> that may have caused the error. >>> More information about this error may be available in the server >>> error >>> log. >>> >>> The httpd-log says: Premature End of script headers: admin >>> >>> apache runs the cgi-bin as user/group: nobody >>> >>> where is the error? i followed the instructions.. >>> >>> seems that something's wrong with python?!! >>> >>> thanks! >>> > > From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Sat Aug 21 13:16:53 2004 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:16:53 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Mailman on RedHat and Apache - Premature End of script headers In-Reply-To: <1444958822.20040820185257@verrueckt.de> References: <1444958822.20040820185257@verrueckt.de> Message-ID: <41272F25.7080109@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, > http://myserver/mailman/admin > > Internal Server Error > The httpd-log says: Premature End of script headers: admin What do you get if you "cd /cgi-bin ; ./admin" ? -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sat Aug 21 16:09:43 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:09:43 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040821002241.04c5a908@popd.ix.netcom.com> References: <942DB620-F2E8-11D8-BF11-000A959666F6@look.net> <6.0.3.0.2.20040821002241.04c5a908@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: At 12:31 AM -0400 2004-08-21, Charles Mikecz Vamossy wrote: > Thank you for your clarification. I had no idea - why would I? - that > signing up for a mailing list would generate all these individual > e-mails coming in from people, as opposed emails coming from the list > itself. Had I known that - given that I am using my ISP's spamblocker > software - would have never signed up. The problem is that the mail *does* come from the list. However, the "From:" address in the header is that of the individual sender, and not the list. Your spamblocker software is doing something incredibly stupid by responding to the "From:" header, and annoying anyone and everyone who ever sends you e-mail via virtually any mailing list that you will ever subscribe to, since virtually all mailing list software works the same way at this level. > Using Mailman - as opposed to some of the other popular list programs > has turned into a giant headache. I understand that it is complex and > has many parameters, but I did not think it would cause so much trouble. > Now I understand why our subsribers are so unhappy with it. Mailman is simpler than most mailing list management packages, and the authors have gone to significant lengths to make it relatively easy to download, install, configure, and administer. However, there are some fundamental complexities in this process that you cannot escape. > BTW, I participate in a number of mailing lists on Yahoo and never had > the this happen to me. All the mail - whether individual or digest form > - come from a single source, which is enabled on my spamblocker to get > through. You could easily have done the same for Mailman. Search for a string like "Sender: mailman-users-bounces at python.org" in the header, and whitelist any message that matches. Easy. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sat Aug 21 16:15:55 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:15:55 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040821005116.04c5a908@popd.ix.netcom.com> References: <942DB620-F2E8-11D8-BF11-000A959666F6@look.net> <6.0.3.0.2.20040821005116.04c5a908@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: At 12:55 AM -0400 2004-08-21, Charles Mikecz Vamossy wrote: > You really expect ordinary users, who sign up for a discussion list > to understand autoresponders, mandatory white lists, etc??? If they're going to use these tools, they need to understand something about how to configure them properly, yes. If not, then they need to either not use the tools at all, or they need to be configured properly by someone else. None of these things have apparently happened in your case. > Most have > trouble just figuring out the difference between their user ID's and > passwords. That's true enough. So, these users need to be using software that is correctly configured by others. Which you are not. > To reach a large number of users, the program should be > simpler and intuitive (which I know requires a much better quality of > development). Yup. Your software is definitely showing that it is very poor quality, or at least very poorly configured. > So far my brief introduction to Mailman has been > anything but... So far, our brief introduction to you and the software you've been using has been extremely negative. This is something you can fix, either by changing providers (to one where the software *is* properly configured), or by changing the configuration of the software you're using with your current provider. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sat Aug 21 16:13:00 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:13:00 +0200 Subject: Fwd: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040821004731.04ccefd0@popd.ix.netcom.com> References: <1093036668.4574.271.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6.0.3.0.2.20040821004731.04ccefd0@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: At 12:50 AM -0400 2004-08-21, Charles Mikecz Vamossy wrote: > It is also the intuitive thing to do and is also the common practice with > most list management services. Oh? How many decades have you been doing this? How many decades have you been administering such services? You can't make an argument like this unless you can demonstrate that you have a significant amount of experience on which to make your claims. > I write to a list - I expect my responses > come from the list, especially if I sign up for a daily digest. Instead > I am bombarded by hostile individual responses. The responses have come from the list, although some people might also have sent you private responses. You apparently do not understand how this process works, and have either misconfigured the software so that it responds in an inappropriate manner, or the software is not capable of being configured to respond in a correct way. In any event, it certainly did the wrong thing in this case. > Very unpleasant to be on the receiving end of list running on a > Mailman server. I know know how my users feel... It's very unpleasant to be someone responsible for administering a Mailman mail server when there are clueless users who subscribe and inflict their effluent on everyone on the list. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From rxguitar at comcast.net Sat Aug 21 17:10:03 2004 From: rxguitar at comcast.net (marci and rex) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:10:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Charles..and question about looping bounces In-Reply-To: <20040821071941.EB17C1E4009@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20040821095020.01e89470@mail.comcast.net> Charles said: ( and then some!) >I am sorry to have bothered you with my "crap" and I am resigning from the >list. >Charles HI Charles, ( if youre still here) I understand your frustration. I have come from running a mailing list with very few options ( that also let in spam and viruses and ALL kinds of garbage) to a Mailman mailing list with so many options I dont know what to do...and yes, sometimes the admins here can be a little brusque... In their defense , running a mailing list where you are answering the same questions over and over again and most of the time because people just didnt DANG READ can cause an admin's eyeballs to burst into flames at times.. ( I keep a fire extinguisher by my monitor for those times when it happens repeatedly on my own mailinglist.... and I also have a little sign up saying:" Listers! Ya gotta love "em! Ya cant strangle "em ") The problem is, that by venting 6 times and not bothering to edit all the headers and such in your emails, you have subjected the rest of us on this list to miles and miles of tirade...We all know where youre coming from....but , guy, ONCE would have been enough..... OK, on to MY tirade ... ( grin ) ..... Im dealing with a host who has changed the Mailman defaults so that when I get great suggestions from the list, ( thank you !) I go to our Mailman pages and find that they have removed all of those wonderful options! ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! My latest ( Ongoing ) problem is that my partner and I have emails set up for our domain ...eg. myname at ppio.com ... the mail is bouncing ( probably because we are running it through another server .... mine is comcast.net .... ) ... We are getting knocked off our own mailing list because of bounces... In the interest of brevity, I wont send all the headers ( if you need them, I will ) ... BAsic error message Im getting is this: Action: Subscription disabled. Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces. The triggering bounce notice is attached below. This message is looping: it already has my Delivered-To line. (#5.4.6) ( and yes, I searched the FAQs and couldnt find anything ) marci From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sat Aug 21 19:48:07 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:48:07 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: question about looping bounces In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20040821095020.01e89470@mail.comcast.net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20040821095020.01e89470@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: At 10:10 AM -0500 2004-08-21, marci and rex wrote: > BAsic error message Im getting is this: > Action: Subscription disabled. > Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces. > The triggering bounce notice is attached below. > This message is looping: it already has my Delivered-To line. (#5.4.6) > ( and yes, I searched the FAQs and couldnt find anything ) This is an MTA problem. The mail server is mis-configured and causing mail loops, which is causing the mailing list software to unsubscribe that address. The mail server of the affected address needs to be fixed. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sun Aug 22 15:03:50 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 15:03:50 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question In-Reply-To: <9412812.1093135082544.JavaMail.root@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net > References: <9412812.1093135082544.JavaMail.root@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net > Message-ID: At 5:38 PM -0700 2004-08-21, Charles Mikecz Vamossy wrote: > You may think my ISP's spamware is stupid and for all I know you may be > right. Auto-whitelist management systems (such as TMDA) are greatly despised amongst much of the Internet community. I don't know if your ISP is using this particular package or not, but I make a policy of refusing to communicate with anyone who uses such a system. And if someone who uses a system like this is posting to a mailing list I'm on, I am not likely to be very kind in my public responses to the way their mail system is treating me. > My intention was - as it is with any new list I join - to wait for the > first digest to appear in my "suspect Email" box, authorize it and then > merrily read the daily digests. Instead, by the time I returned from > dinner, I was criticised and reviled by the group. If you're going to use this kind of a system, you need to wait for the first few messages (or digests) to show up before you post a message to the list, and you should warn people that you have such an anti-spam system in use. If nothing else, you need to get a flavour for the sort of discussions that happen on the list before you jump in head first. Posting to the list immediately after subscribing is generally considered to be rude, unless you've done your homework and checked out the archives of the list, and you can make sure that your post fits in with the style and flavour of the list. For that matter, before posting to any list, you should search the archives and the FAQ, to make sure that this issue is not well-known and previously discussed. Even if your post is on a subject that is not addressed through the archives or the FAQ, and it is in the appropriate style, if you are using an anti-spam system that effectively spams anyone who tries to send you mail, then you should warn people about that as part of your signature in every post or e-mail message you send. So far as I can tell, you violated all of these rules of courtesy. > Perhaps it is not MM that's at fault, but rather the way MM is set up. This has nothing to do with Mailman. This has everything to do with your multiple violations of the rules of common courtesy. > I don't know. The experience is enough, however, to convince me that > while MM may be a good platform for large users who can afford a full > time administrator, especially if the software is enhanced by inhouse > developed and other commercial software. This is not at all the case. I am not a full-time administrator, and I administer multiple different mailing lists for multiple different groups on multiple different systems, all using Mailman. Some of those lists & groups are small, some are a bit larger. In fact, I would submit that there are virtually no full-time Mailman mailing list administrators anywhere in the world. Maybe a handful, at most -- and most of whom are probably on these mailing lists. > For plain vanilla lists, it > is better to stick with one of the Big Vanillas. Mailman *is* one of the Big Vanillas. In fact, I would argue that it is probably one of the biggest, if not the biggest. The difference is that Mailman is not used to host individual lists that are the largest in the world (although there is a full-time Mailman list administrator for lists.apple.com, and he manages some very large lists for them, and in his private life hosts a number of other extremely large lists on his own equipment). What you do get with Mailman is not the extreme size of the individual lists, but the amazing number and variety of smaller sites that are running smaller lists, the sum total of which ends up making the community of Mailman users as large or larger than most any other community of mailing list users anywhere in the world. I believe you will find that most Linux-related mailing lists are hosted using Mailman, and I know that all the FreeBSD mailing lists are using Mailamn. I believe that it is the most widely used mailing list management software in the open source community, and one of the most widely used mailing list management systems outside of that community. Most of that has happened not just because it's shipped by default by a lot of vendors, but because of all the mailing list management systems in the world, it's one of the easiest to install, configure, and manage. Indeed, that's probably why a lot of vendors choose to ship it by default. With China and India both going for Linux with a vengence from the government on down to the man-in-the-street, that's a potential two to three billion users within the target future growth patterns of the open source community. That's like one-third to one-half the entire population of the world, or more. Mailman is the leading mailing list management system within that community today, and I believe that it is likely to remain the leading mailing list management system within that community for the foreseeable future. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From r at gnar.de Sun Aug 22 14:36:54 2004 From: r at gnar.de (r at gnar.de) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:36:54 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ASP-Pages for subscription on the same server like Mailman? Message-ID: Hi I am *very* new to Mailman and have got an urgent question: My subscription-and change-options-asp-pages run on a W2k-server. Mailman is running on Linux & Apache. How can I tell my asp-pages that they should connect to a different server (Mailman), not the local one? best regards Ragnar From jeff at look.net Sun Aug 22 22:22:20 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:22:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ASP-Pages for subscription on the same server like Mailman? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Aug 22, 2004, at 8:36 AM, wrote: > Hi > > I am *very* new to Mailman and have got an urgent question: > My subscription-and change-options-asp-pages run on a W2k-server. > Mailman is running on Linux & Apache. > How can I tell my asp-pages that they should connect to a different > server > (Mailman), not the local one? See -Jeff From r at gnar.de Sun Aug 22 22:29:31 2004 From: r at gnar.de (r at gnar.de) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:29:31 +0200 Subject: AW: [Mailman-Users] ASP-Pages for subscription on the same serverlike Mailman? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] Im Auftrag von Jeff Barger > See > >ail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ cool, Jeff, that's exactly what I need! thanks and regards Ragnar From ralph at netzbeben.de Sun Aug 22 23:53:26 2004 From: ralph at netzbeben.de (ralph at netzbeben.de) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:53:26 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Mailman on RedHat and Apache - Premature End of script headers In-Reply-To: <6BD2B2E6-F342-11D8-A58E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> References: <1444958822.20040820185257@verrueckt.de> <383539598.20040820201349@verrueckt.de> <6BD2B2E6-F342-11D8-A58E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <1352801424.20040822235326@verrueckt.de> Hi Richard and Tokio, i tried executing "admin" from the shell as nobody and it did work. (there was some html-ouput) So there must be a problem with the apache configuration. Here are my changes to httpd.conf: ServerName xxx.xxx SuexecUserGroup nobody nobody DocumentRoot /usr/local/mailman/ ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/ CustomLog /var/log/httpd/mailmanhttpd_access.log "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-agent}i\"" ErrorLog /var/log/httpd/mailmanhttpd_error.log Are there any other settings which are important? i can't find anything in the installation instructions.. Thanks again.. Ralph From ralph at netzbeben.de Mon Aug 23 00:59:16 2004 From: ralph at netzbeben.de (ralph at netzbeben.de) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:59:16 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Mailman on RedHat and Apache - Premature End of script headers In-Reply-To: <1352801424.20040822235326@verrueckt.de> References: <1444958822.20040820185257@verrueckt.de> <383539598.20040820201349@verrueckt.de> <6BD2B2E6-F342-11D8-A58E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> <1352801424.20040822235326@verrueckt.de> Message-ID: <1014927690.20040823005916@verrueckt.de> i found this in the suexec-log (of apache): uid: (99/nobody) gid: (99/99) cmd: admin cannot run as forbidden uid (99/admin) ?! why is this uid forbidden? where to configure? From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Mon Aug 23 01:04:11 2004 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:04:11 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Mailman on RedHat and Apache - Premature End of script headers In-Reply-To: <1352801424.20040822235326@verrueckt.de> References: <1444958822.20040820185257@verrueckt.de> <383539598.20040820201349@verrueckt.de> <6BD2B2E6-F342-11D8-A58E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> <1352801424.20040822235326@verrueckt.de> Message-ID: <4129266B.3030802@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> > i tried executing "admin" from the shell as nobody and it did work. > (there was some html-ouput) > > So there must be a problem with the apache configuration. > > Here are my changes to httpd.conf: > > > ServerName xxx.xxx > SuexecUserGroup nobody nobody You have suexec turned on. Mailman cgi is setgid but apache suexec refuses to execute s[ug]id program. Googling by 'mailman suexec' hits this page. http://www.pookey.co.uk/suexec-mailman.xml -- Tokio Kikuchi tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From ralph at netzbeben.de Mon Aug 23 01:24:51 2004 From: ralph at netzbeben.de (ralph at netzbeben.de) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:24:51 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thank You! Message-ID: <1832546698.20040823012451@verrueckt.de> i removed the suexec and recompiled using "./configure --with-cgi-gid=apache" now everything seems to be fine. Thank You! From hacksaw at hacksaw.org Mon Aug 23 06:53:00 2004 From: hacksaw at hacksaw.org (Hacksaw) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:53:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade 2.0.13 to 2.1.4, no mail goes out, no bounces come back Message-ID: <200408230453.i7N4r06h005878@hacksaw.org> All the web stuff seems to work. I even ran /home/mailman/mail/mailman post list and supplied it with a mail message, and it vanished into thin air without a trace. I have check_perms'ed, made sure the mailmanctl daemon, and all it's minions are running, made sure the aliases are there, and that newaliases was run, put in the new link for the smrsh wrapper file /home/mailman/mail/mailman, My mail daemon is working on other kinds of incoming mail (like complaints from my mail list users, cleaned out old locks, checked the logs, looked for qfiles (there are none at all, just empty directories). I don't know what to do with this message, in /var/log/maillog: Aug 23 00:29:40 habitrail smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use "mailman post pf" (stat failed) Aug 23 00:29:40 habitrail sendmail[5550]: i7N4TeIf005549: to="|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post pf", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30806, dsn=5.0.0, stat=Service unavailable I can run that program by hand as user mailman without any error messages. Help? I installed from source, the python version is 2.3.3, also installed from source, I'm running sendmail, and it's a heavily updated version of RedHat 7.2. -- Omnia plures altus Latina videt http://www.hacksaw.org -- http://www.privatecircus.com -- KB1FVD From jackpo at grafitto.com Mon Aug 23 07:16:41 2004 From: jackpo at grafitto.com (Jack Po) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:16:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Qmail installation Message-ID: <0I2V004ZXW02A3@jhuml4.jhu.edu> HELP!!!! For the last 3 days, I have been trying to get mailman working with qmail. Right now, qmail delivers the mail (or at least I think it does, because it shows up in the archives) using qmail-to-mailman.py, BUT there is absolutely no outgoing email from mailman. (no subscribe notice, no email list posts.. nada) There is absolutely no indication of why this is so.. I think I have my SMTP relay setup properly (horde works just fine), and there is no record of any attempt at sending out mail from qmail's logs at all. Anyone help? Thanks, Jack From hacksaw at hacksaw.org Mon Aug 23 07:59:15 2004 From: hacksaw at hacksaw.org (Hacksaw) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:59:15 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade 2.0.13 to 2.1.4, no mail goes out, no bounces come back In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:53:00 EDT." <200408230453.i7N4r06h005878@hacksaw.org> Message-ID: <200408230559.i7N5xFPT006569@hacksaw.org> All right... A sendmail configuration change caught me. in Sendmail 8.12.9, it seems to have moved the stuff in /etc/smrsh to /usr/adm/sm.rsh. Now I need to figure out why sendmail is ignoring the setgid on the script... -- http://www.hacksaw.org -- http://www.privatecircus.com -- KB1FVD -- The key is realizing the whole world is stupid and being happy anyway http://www.hacksaw.org -- http://www.privatecircus.com -- KB1FVD From hacksaw at hacksaw.org Mon Aug 23 09:34:40 2004 From: hacksaw at hacksaw.org (Hacksaw) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:34:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade 2.0.13 to 2.1.4, no mail goes out, no bounces come back In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:59:15 EDT." <200408230559.i7N5xFPT006569@hacksaw.org> Message-ID: <200408230734.i7N7YevO008100@hacksaw.org> >Now I need to figure out why sendmail is ignoring the setgid on the script... Grrr... You know how it says in the INSTALL file: "By default, the value is the list `mailman other mail daemon'." That appears to be wrong. In the Makefile, it only said "mailman". -- The universe is not only stranger than we (can) imagine, it's stranger than we CARE to imagine! http://www.hacksaw.org -- http://www.privatecircus.com -- KB1FVD -- Twist that stump kitty Twist it! Thump! Kitty's dead now He's hamster hors d'oerves http://www.hacksaw.org -- http://www.privatecircus.com -- KB1FVD From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Mon Aug 23 09:51:44 2004 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:51:44 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade 2.0.13 to 2.1.4, no mail goes out, no bounces come back In-Reply-To: <200408230734.i7N7YevO008100@hacksaw.org> References: <200408230734.i7N7YevO008100@hacksaw.org> Message-ID: <4129A210.10507@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, Hacksaw wrote: >>Now I need to figure out why sendmail is ignoring the setgid on the script... > > > Grrr... > > You know how it says in the INSTALL file: > "By default, the value is the list `mailman other mail daemon'." > > That appears to be wrong. In the Makefile, it only said "mailman". In the same INSTALL file, just before the quoted sentence: "The first value in the list that resolves to an existing group is used." -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From hacksaw at hacksaw.org Mon Aug 23 12:39:29 2004 From: hacksaw at hacksaw.org (Hacksaw) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:39:29 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade 2.0.13 to 2.1.4, no mail goes out, no bounces come back In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:51:44 +0900." <4129A210.10507@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <200408231039.i7NAdTkF009500@hacksaw.org> Ooops. Right, it's configure that sets that up. Duh. Okay, I'll go back under my rock now. -- Sleepy, Dopey, Sneezy, Bashful, Grumpy, Happy, Doc Just in case you'd forgotten... http://www.hacksaw.org -- http://www.privatecircus.com -- KB1FVD From luis.talora at iesa.com.br Mon Aug 23 14:55:23 2004 From: luis.talora at iesa.com.br (Luis Fernando C. Talora) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:55:23 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Block "out off office" autoreply messages Message-ID: Friends, I?m having trouble with out of office autoreply messages sent to some list. Some users recieved a lot of them, because of some list member who didn?t know that you must not use out of office messages if you are member of mailing lists. Is Mailman capable of blocking this kind of message? Thank you again! Regards, Talora ========================================================= Esta mensagem pode conter informa??o confidencial e/ou privilegiada. Se voc? n?o for o destinat?rio ou a pessoa autorizada a receber esta mensagem, n?o dever? utilizar, copiar, alterar, divulgar a informa??o nela contida ou tomar qualquer a??o baseada nessas informa??es. Se voc? recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor avise imediatamente o remetente, respondendo o e-mail e em seguida apague-o. Agradecemos sua coopera??o. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, change, take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. ========================================================= From edg at greenberg.org Mon Aug 23 16:42:00 2004 From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:42:00 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Investigating Bounces Message-ID: <5F3433AD6AEBEF00CDF5FF4C@[192.168.0.3]> I have several list owners with large lists. They get a bunch of bounces each time they mail. Occasionally, they get lots more bounces than they expect. Is there any way to get Mailman to save the reason for the bounce? The bounce log contains only the list name, email address and the bounce score. I can infer whether the bounce was hard or soft by whether the score increased by 1.0 or 0.5. There is no way to tell if the bounce was "mailbox full" or "no such user" or perhaps my SMTP server was refused because it's become blacklisted somewhere. It's not even possible to tell if the bounce came from the distant SMTP server or my local one. How do others deal with this situation? From Harv at TreeClimbingCO.com Mon Aug 23 17:01:54 2004 From: Harv at TreeClimbingCO.com (Harv Teitelbaum) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:01:54 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help, let me out of here Message-ID: <412A06E1.47CD7B74@TreeClimbingCO.com> First, all my announcements to my new mailman list were bounced back, and I couldn't figure out how to correct it. Then my postings (like this one) to the mailman-users list were also held up. Now, I'm unable to unsubscribe from the mailman-users list. Somebody help me, I'm trapped. From mcullum at nsd.org Mon Aug 23 17:21:31 2004 From: mcullum at nsd.org (Mike Cullum) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:21:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] False Moderator Requests? Message-ID: Greetings, We have just begun using mailman and are discovering it's mysteries. Please be patient with ignorant questions! I have a dozen lists, none actively used yet, that are set up ready to convert people from our old list processor. This morning each list sent an email from the "listhame-bounces" address to the "listname-owner" with the following message: -------------------------------------------------------------- >The listname at domain mailing list has -1 request(s) waiting for your >consideration at: > > http://domain/mailman/admindb/listname >Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of >pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. -------------------------------------------------------------- When I go to the URL and try to resolve the waiting request I encounter the following message: -------------------------------------------------------------- >Database Updated... > >Administrative requests for mailing list: Listname > >This page contains a summary of the current set of administrative requests >requiring your approval for the Listname mailing list. First, you will find the >list of pending subscription and unsubscription requests, if any, followed by >any postings being held for your approval. > >For each administrative request, please select the action to take, clicking on >the Submit All Data button when finished. More detailed instructions are also >available. > >You can also view the details of all held postings. -------------------------------------------------------------- As far as I can see there are NO requests waiting for the moderator and nothing to resolve. What's going on? Thanks in advance for the assistance. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Cullum Director of Infrastructure and Instructional Technologies Northshore School District 3330 Monte Villa Parkway Bothell, WA 98021-7215 Telephone: (425)489-6322 Fax:(425)489-6317 Email: mcullum at nsd.org ----------------------------------------------------------------- From msapiro at value.net Mon Aug 23 17:26:21 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:26:21 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help, let me out of here In-Reply-To: <412A06E1.47CD7B74@TreeClimbingCO.com> Message-ID: Harv Teitelbaum wrote: >First, all my announcements to my new mailman list were bounced back, >and I couldn't figure out how to correct it. Then my postings (like >this one) to the mailman-users list were also held up. Now, I'm unable >to unsubscribe from the mailman-users list. Somebody help me, I'm >trapped. > >From the headers sent in list messages: List-Unsubscribe: , Are you saying you've tried these things and they don't work, or just that you don't know what to do? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jwblist at olympus.net Mon Aug 23 17:37:03 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:37:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Block "out off office" autoreply messages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/23/2004 5:55, "Luis Fernando C. Talora" wrote: > I?m having trouble with out of office autoreply messages sent to some list. > Some users recieved a lot of them, because of some list member who didn?t > know that you must not use out of office messages if you are member of > mailing lists. It's not autoresponders generally that are the problem...it is poorly written ones which don't know how to avoid sending to list messages. Often it's people using MUA rules or self-written scripts. You can try with content filters, but the creators of these bad autoresponders are endlessly creative. > > Is Mailman capable of blocking this kind of message? As list owner, you are: unsubscribe the errant user (or if you insist on being more gentle, mark the user as Nomail). Send whatever explanation you feel is appropriate. --John From msapiro at value.net Mon Aug 23 17:35:48 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:35:48 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Block "out off office" autoreply messages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Luis Fernando C. Talora wrote: > >I?m having trouble with out of office autoreply messages sent to some list. >Some users recieved a lot of them, because of some list member who didn?t >know that you must not use out of office messages if you are member of >mailing lists. > >Is Mailman capable of blocking this kind of message? > Not in advance as far as I know. After the fact, the list admin can always disable delivery to the offending user. Also see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.006.htp -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jwblist at olympus.net Mon Aug 23 17:38:48 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:38:48 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] False Moderator Requests? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/23/2004 8:21, "Mike Cullum" wrote: > Greetings, > > We have just begun using mailman and are discovering it's mysteries. Please > be patient with ignorant questions! > > I have a dozen lists, none actively used yet, that are set up ready to > convert people from our old list processor. This morning each list sent an > email from the "listhame-bounces" address to the "listname-owner" with the > following message: > > -------------------------------------------------------------- >> The listname at domain mailing list has -1 request(s) waiting for your >> consideration at: >> >> http://domain/mailman/admindb/listname It's a bug in the present version of Mailman. Arrange for each list to have a real message which needs the moderator's attention, and deal with that. Things will be OK after that. --John From msapiro at value.net Mon Aug 23 17:40:27 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:40:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] False Moderator Requests? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mike Cullum wrote: > >I have a dozen lists, none actively used yet, that are set up ready to >convert people from our old list processor. This morning each list sent an >email from the "listhame-bounces" address to the "listname-owner" with the >following message: > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >>The listname at domain mailing list has -1 request(s) waiting for your >>consideration at: >> >> http://domain/mailman/admindb/listname > >>Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of >>pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. >-------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the FAQ Wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and read article 3.38 -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dbl at tentra.com Mon Aug 23 17:53:08 2004 From: dbl at tentra.com (David Blomquist) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:53:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Block "out off office" autoreply messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093276387.4577.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 07:55, Luis Fernando C. Talora wrote: > Friends, > > I??m having trouble with out of office autoreply messages sent to some list. > Some users recieved a lot of them, because of some list member who didn??t > know that you must not use out of office messages if you are member of > mailing lists. > > Is Mailman capable of blocking this kind of message? > > Thank you again! > > Regards, > > Talora You could set the moderation (mod) bit, under 'Membership Management' for the offending list member(s) until they turn off their autoreply. There is also a spam filter under 'Privacy options' in the admin web interface. David From jeff at look.net Mon Aug 23 17:57:53 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:57:53 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Block "out off office" autoreply messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3121DDA9-F51D-11D8-8F54-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 23, 2004, at 8:55 AM, Luis Fernando C. Talora wrote: > Friends, > > I?m having trouble with out of office autoreply messages sent to some > list. > Some users recieved a lot of them, because of some list member who > didn?t > know that you must not use out of office messages if you are member of > mailing lists. That's not necessarily so. Properly written auto-responders do not pose a threat to mailing lists. Unfortunately the one people use the most (the one in Outlook/OE) is about as broken as they come. > Is Mailman capable of blocking this kind of message? You can play around with the spam filtering to catch a lot of these messages. IMHO, it's best to just stop munging the Reply-To. See this page: . -Jeff From luis.talora at iesa.com.br Mon Aug 23 18:10:21 2004 From: luis.talora at iesa.com.br (Luis Fernando C. Talora) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:10:21 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing hostname for a list: solved! Message-ID: Fellows, The list archives helped me solving the problem. The following link holds the answer I was looking for: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-January/034073.html Hope it helps somebody else in the future. Regards, Talora ========================================================= Esta mensagem pode conter informa??o confidencial e/ou privilegiada. Se voc? n?o for o destinat?rio ou a pessoa autorizada a receber esta mensagem, n?o dever? utilizar, copiar, alterar, divulgar a informa??o nela contida ou tomar qualquer a??o baseada nessas informa??es. Se voc? recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor avise imediatamente o remetente, respondendo o e-mail e em seguida apague-o. Agradecemos sua coopera??o. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, change, take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. ========================================================= From teuku_hasbullah at yahoo.com Thu Aug 19 08:34:13 2004 From: teuku_hasbullah at yahoo.com (teuku hasbullah) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help in instalation mailman Message-ID: <20040819063413.58353.qmail@web14828.mail.yahoo.com> I want to install mailman 2.1.5 in machine with use o/s solaris 9. I have do what I read in INSTALL file but I have error when I run this : $ make install this is the error message : bash-2.05# make install Creating architecture independent directories... chmod o-r /home/mailman//archives/private Creating architecture dependent directories... for f in mmsitepass newlist rmlist add_members list_members remove_members clone_member update arch sync_members check_db withlist check_perms find_member version config_list list_lists dumpdb cleanarch list_admins genaliases change_pw mailmanctl qrunner inject unshunt fix_url.py convert.py transcheck b4b5-archfix list_owners msgfmt.py show_qfiles discard rb-archfix; \ do \ /opt/sfw/bin/ginstall -c -m 755 ../build/bin/$f /home/mailman//bin; \ done for f in crontab.in; \ do \ /opt/sfw/bin/ginstall -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman//cron; \ done for f in checkdbs mailpasswds senddigests gate_news nightly_gzip bumpdigests disabled; \ do \ /opt/sfw/bin/ginstall -c -m 755 ../build/cron/$f /home/mailman//cron; \ done /opt/sfw/bin/ginstall -c -m 644 ./*.jpg ./*.png /home/mailman//icons for d in bin cron scripts tests; \ do \ dir=/home/mailman//$d; \ /opt/sfw/bin/ginstall -c -m 644 paths.py $dir; \ done /opt/sfw/bin/ginstall -c -m 755 mailman /home/mailman//scripts /opt/sfw/bin/ginstall -c -m 644 sitelist.cfg /home/mailman//data for p in email-2.5.5 JapaneseCodecs-1.4.10 KoreanCodecs-2.0.5; \ do \ gunzip -c ./$p.tar.gz | (cd . ; tar xf -); \ (cd ./$p ; umask 02 ; PYTHONPATH=/home/mailman//pythonlib /opt/sfw/bin/python setup.py --quiet install --install-lib /home/mailman//pythonlib --install-purelib /home/mailman//pythonlib --install-data /home/mailman//pythonlib); \ done unable to execute /export/builds/s9-release/s9_u4ccd_03/usr/src/tools/gcc: No such file or directory error: command '/export/builds/s9-release/s9_u4ccd_03/usr/src/tools/gcc' failed with exit status 1 *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `install-packages' Current working directory /home/stt04/mailman-2.1.5/misc *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `doinstall' can somebody help me about this error, thanks for solution. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. From curt at thebeavers.net Thu Aug 19 12:13:57 2004 From: curt at thebeavers.net (Curt Beavers) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 06:13:57 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with installation Message-ID: <20040819101401.RQVC1787.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@CURT> I am a novice with frontpage and want to install mailman on my site. Do you know of anyone who can help me with my installation. Thanks, Curt Beavers 770-313-2624 404-818-9068 fax 818-9068 voice-com www.TheBeavers.net Curt Beavers?1135 Bridgewater Walk, Snellville, GA 30078?770-982-1839 From Rhshutt at aol.com Fri Aug 20 16:14:30 2004 From: Rhshutt at aol.com (Rhshutt at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:14:30 EDT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses Message-ID: <5b.56c01683.2e576146@aol.com> I have and address that is too long. How do I get my address book to take it. secretary at hiltonchristianchurch.hrcoxmail.com It won't let me get past churc. Ruby Shutt From nathan at phpwest.com Mon Aug 23 05:04:52 2004 From: nathan at phpwest.com (NSHB) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:04:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring Mailman with Postfix and Postfix Admin Message-ID: <20040823030446.8FE86294@nshb.inimit.ca> I have just setup Mailman 2.1.5 on FreeBSD 4.8 and have found that the installation does not integrate by default with the postfix admin which stores all users and domains in MySQL. When I send an email to the list I successfully setup, I receive this error: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: test Sent: 22/08/2004 5:01 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: 'mailman at inimit.com' on 22/08/2004 5:01 PM 550 : Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table How might I be able to integrate the mailman python script to filter out the mailman users into my setup? Regards, Nathan. From nathan at phpwest.com Mon Aug 23 05:06:12 2004 From: nathan at phpwest.com (NSHB) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:06:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring Mailman with Postfix and Postfix Admin Message-ID: <20040823030605.F31AE294@nshb.inimit.ca> I have just setup Mailman 2.1.5 on FreeBSD 4.8 and have found that the installation does not integrate by default with the postfix admin which stores all users and domains in MySQL. When I send an email to the list I successfully setup, I receive this error: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: test Sent: 22/08/2004 5:01 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: 'mailman at inimit.com' on 22/08/2004 5:01 PM 550 : Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table How might I be able to integrate the mailman python script to filter out the mailman users into my setup? Regards, Nathan. ------------------------------------------------- Nathaniel Steven Henry Brown t: 604.444.9942 | c: 604.724.6624 Inimit Innovations Inc. | www.inimit.com Purefame Entertainment Corporation | www.purefame.com NSHB - Digital Portfolio | www.nshb.net From kachel at muenster.de Mon Aug 23 17:50:40 2004 From: kachel at muenster.de (Markus Kachel) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:50:40 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] False Moderator Requests? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1921654452.20040823175040@muenster.de> Hello Mike, On Monday, August 23, 2004, You wrote to subject: [Mailman-Users] False Moderator Requests? >>The listname at domain mailing list has -1 request(s) waiting for your >>consideration at: > As far as I can see there are NO requests waiting for the moderator and > nothing to resolve. Look at this: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.38 Bye Markus -- E-Mail: kachel at muenster.de Homepage: http://www.kachelonline.de From shapiro at menssana.org Thu Aug 19 21:28:09 2004 From: shapiro at menssana.org (Dr. Irving David Shapiro) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:28:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From a computer-numbskull who needs a Rosetta Stone Message-ID: <4124FF49.7010708@menssana.org> Hi! I was referred to your site by a nice guy at our ISP who thinks you might be able to help us. So I logged on. Now I know what it feels like when you're in Rome but can't talk like the Romans do (to analogize an old proverb). Now please don't get me wrong -- I think you're site is wonderful. I'm just not sufficiently computer-literate to make heads or tails of it. Anyway, here goes. We have a collection of some 170 essays that we want to send out in the form of e-mail messages, starting with our current e-mail address list, one at a time, weekly. I've attached a generic pdf file (done in PageMaker, but we'll have it converted to HTML when we're ready to go), generic in the sense that it'll be exactly the same in each mailing except that the essay title, the essay itself, and the related quotation will be different. The TO: field should show only the name of the recipient and the FROM: field should be Mens Sana Foundation although the Mens Sana Foundation doesn't have an e-mail address per se -- I do. Please now focus on the bottom of the attached file. The four buttons you see will (obviously) be at the bottom of each e-mail message that'll be sent out during this campaign. The two middle ones are for the purpose of unsubscribing and subscribing, respectively. So not only would you have to send out the e-mails weekly (every Sunday night) if we sign up with you, but you'd also have to delete and add e-mail addresses to our list as people unsubscribe and subscribe. Another thing. Whenever someone subscribes, we would want a message (that we would provide you with) to be automatically sent to him or her. The same would be true for anyone who unsubscribes (a different message, or course). And finally, could every message open with a voice greeting? OK, having given you the specs, more or less, the big question: can we do all the foregoing with Mailman? Also, assuming that the answer is "Yes," given that we're a 501(c)(3) (which means there's never any money around here to hire help) and given that my grandchildren know infinitely more about computers and the Internet than I'll ever know but they never have enough time to help out Grandpa, is there someone there who'd be willing to take us under his/her wing all the way through the process until we can do it ourselves without worrying about the outcome? Gratefully, Dr. Shapiro ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr. Irving David Shapiro ~ LyceumOnline/Mens Sana Foundation Voice: 510-835-2946 Address: 492 Staten Avenue, #1102, Oakland, CA 94610, USA Web: http://www.menssana.org ~ http://www.menssana.org/books E-mail: shapiro at menssana.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From monetary at america.net Sun Aug 22 00:27:15 2004 From: monetary at america.net (Monetary Values) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 18:27:15 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question Message-ID: Will this program allow someone to send email to more than 30 people at a time since most ISPs consider spamming with more than 30 people. I have a client who has many clients that he sends email to regarding his business. Thanks From toby-dated-1093581413.d01372 at butzon.com Sun Aug 22 06:36:51 2004 From: toby-dated-1093581413.d01372 at butzon.com (Toby Butzon) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:36:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain equivalence Message-ID: <20040822043651.GA42206@pissonem.net> Hi all, Here's my situation: a.example.com runs mailman. b.example.com hosts 90% of a.example.com's subsriber's addresses (i.e., 90% of my subscribers have foo at b.example.com email addresses). c.example.com is a legacy system now setup to forward all incoming mail to the newer b.example.com system. Many users from the old system still prefer their foo at c.example.com address and continue to use it. So, effectively, a mail account foo at b.example.com is reachable as either foo at b.example.com, or foo at c.example.com Obviously, if we turn on "subscribers only" posting on a list, people posting from c when subscribed as a b user gets his messages held for approval. Additionally, users can send mail via multiple interfaces -- secure shell into c (which still shows their from host as c), a webmail system on b (which uses a from host of b), and remote SMTP clients (and users can "correctly" set it up to use either b or c). The point of all this detail is to make the point that users are *not* incorrectly subscribed; rather, because the configurations are out of their hands, they become constricted to using one or the other, or wait for moderator approval. I don't know what the optimal solution would be, but my first guess would be to add a way to "alias" domains so that b and c are seen as equal by that particular filtering step. I don't know what other cases domain name comparisons occur in, but there might be other cases where the same comparison is desirable, and yet it might not be in all. If there's already a good way to work around this issue, fill me in. Otherwise, I'll have to see about coming up with a workaround myself (probably using the method I just described) -- but before I do, I'd like to hear any comments you have about whether that's the right way to go about fixing the problem. Thanks in advance. -- Toby Butzon From cjtucker12 at comcast.net Mon Aug 23 01:11:36 2004 From: cjtucker12 at comcast.net (Cameron Tuckerman) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:11:36 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help!!!!! Message-ID: <003201c4889d$61bdfae0$6500a8c0@12century> I am a webmaster for my school and we are migrating from sendmail and minimalist to mailman and exim. We currently are running a daily announcement mailing list with a perl script. there is a long list of members and the perl script sends the message to each one. we want to use mailman but keep the same interphase. Can mailman automatically go out to a text file and "sync" itself with it. We would use rysnc but the problem is mailman's listing of users are encrypted. please help!!!! "Its always SUICIDE MISSION this, or SAVE THE WORLD that. No one just stops by to say hi anymore!" -Col. Jack O'Neill From chuqui at plaidworks.com Mon Aug 23 18:31:41 2004 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:31:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Block "out off office" autoreply messages In-Reply-To: <3121DDA9-F51D-11D8-8F54-000A959666F6@look.net> References: <3121DDA9-F51D-11D8-8F54-000A959666F6@look.net> Message-ID: On Aug 23, 2004, at 8:57 AM, Jeff Barger wrote: >> Is Mailman capable of blocking this kind of message? > > You can play around with the spam filtering to catch a lot of these > messages. IMHO, it's best to just stop munging the Reply-To. See this > page: . > true. if you're coercing reply-to, you're funnelling all of that traffic onto the list. have fun. As Jeff noted -- well-behaved vacation bots don't cause a problem, because they follow the rules and don't send those messages to lists. The ones that don't -- are broken. And trying to stop them up front will fail, because they don't follow the rules you could use to catch them (because if they do follow the rules, they don't send the messages!). since there are an infinite variation of "out of ..." or "on vacation" or "away from..." or "etc ..." ways people write those messages, attempting to string-trap them will simply waste endless amounts of your time and energy,a dn still fail (leaving you pissed and frustrated). Here's how I suggest handling it. In your list policy docs, make it clear that it's a person's responsibility to use vacation bots appropriately. my policy is simple: if one shows up on a list, or sending vacation notices to a list admin or the listserver, that address is unsubscribed. Immediately. no warnings, no followups. Just an unsubscribe. it's then the person's responsibiltiy to figure it out and subscribe again if they want. If the same address resubscribes, and then we get MORE vacation notices from it, they're unsubscribed and banned. Users are allowed to make one mistake and fix it. if they don't, they're not welcome. that gives them the responsibility ot fix it, and some motivation to do so. if you don't? they won't. From jeff at look.net Mon Aug 23 18:38:45 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:38:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with installation In-Reply-To: <20040819101401.RQVC1787.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@CURT> References: <20040819101401.RQVC1787.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@CURT> Message-ID: On Aug 19, 2004, at 6:13 AM, Curt Beavers wrote: > > > > > I am a novice with frontpage and want to install mailman on my site. > Do you > know of anyone who can help me with my installation. FrontPage has nothing to do with Mailman. Perhaps you may be asking how to install Mailman on a Windows-based server? See: for information on installing onto Win 2k. -Jeff From jeff at look.net Mon Aug 23 18:49:50 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:49:50 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help!!!!! In-Reply-To: <003201c4889d$61bdfae0$6500a8c0@12century> References: <003201c4889d$61bdfae0$6500a8c0@12century> Message-ID: <732F634E-F524-11D8-86E6-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 22, 2004, at 7:11 PM, Cameron Tuckerman wrote: > I am a webmaster for my school and we are migrating from sendmail and > minimalist to mailman and exim. We currently are running a daily > announcement mailing list with a perl script. there is a long list of > members and the perl script sends the message to each one. we want to > use > mailman but keep the same interphase. Can mailman automatically go out > to a > text file and "sync" itself with it. We would use rysnc but the > problem is > mailman's listing of users are encrypted. please help!!!! You can use a script calling 'sync_members' to sync against a sendmail-style include file. -Jeff From jeff at look.net Mon Aug 23 18:53:42 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:53:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring Mailman with Postfix and Postfix Admin In-Reply-To: <20040823030605.F31AE294@nshb.inimit.ca> References: <20040823030605.F31AE294@nshb.inimit.ca> Message-ID: On Aug 22, 2004, at 11:06 PM, NSHB wrote: > I have just setup Mailman 2.1.5 on FreeBSD 4.8 and have found that the > installation does not integrate by default with the postfix admin which > stores all users and domains in MySQL. > > When I send an email to the list I successfully setup, I receive this > error: > > Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. > Subject: test > Sent: 22/08/2004 5:01 PM > > The following recipient(s) could not be reached: > 'mailman at inimit.com' on 22/08/2004 5:01 PM > > 550 : Recipient address rejected: User unknown in > virtual mailbox table > > How might I be able to integrate the mailman python script to filter > out the > mailman users into my setup? I expect you'll need to add the aliases by hand (or modify Mailman to add the aliases to database). -Jeff From Harv at TreeClimbingCO.com Mon Aug 23 19:53:03 2004 From: Harv at TreeClimbingCO.com (Harv Teitelbaum) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:53:03 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help, let me out of here References: Message-ID: <412A2EFE.1B590EA1@TreeClimbingCO.com> Yes Mark, I tried those things, and they don't work. I followed the same URL you show below and followed the instructions. Twice. The page that loaded then had the message "A confirmation email has been sent..." but I never received anything, and am still subscribed. Harv Mark Sapiro wrote: > >From the headers sent in list messages: > > List-Unsubscribe: > , > > > Are you saying you've tried these things and they don't work, or just > that you don't know what to do? > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Mon Aug 23 19:52:36 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:52:36 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help in instalation mailman In-Reply-To: <20040819063413.58353.qmail@web14828.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: teuku hasbullah wrote: >unable to execute /export/builds/s9-release/s9_u4ccd_03/usr/src/tools/gcc: No such file or directory >error: command '/export/builds/s9-release/s9_u4ccd_03/usr/src/tools/gcc' failed with exit status 1 >*** Error code 1 >make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `install-packages' >Current working directory /home/stt04/mailman-2.1.5/misc >*** Error code 1 >make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `doinstall' > >can somebody help me about this error, thanks for solution. > Your gcc compiler isn't where the makefile says it is. The configure script should have set it up. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Mon Aug 23 19:57:54 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:57:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Investigating Bounces In-Reply-To: <5F3433AD6AEBEF00CDF5FF4C@[192.168.0.3]> Message-ID: Ed Greenberg wrote: > >The bounce log contains only the list name, email address and the bounce >score. I can infer whether the bounce was hard or soft by whether the score >increased by 1.0 or 0.5. There is no way to tell if the bounce was "mailbox >full" or "no such user" or perhaps my SMTP server was refused >because it's become blacklisted somewhere. It's not even possible to tell >if the bounce came from the distant SMTP server or my local one. > >How do others deal with this situation? I wait until the subscription is disabled at which time Mailman sends me a copy of the bounce message. I know this isn't necessarily the best solution. For example, the other day on one list every (I think) AOL subscriber bounced one message and only one. I'll probably never know why, but I've learned not to obsess about it. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Mon Aug 23 20:06:22 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:06:22 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From a computer-numbskull who needs a Rosetta Stone In-Reply-To: <4124FF49.7010708@menssana.org> Message-ID: Dr. Irving David Shapiro wrote: > >I was referred to your site by a nice guy at our ISP who thinks you >might be able to help us. So I logged on. Now I know what it feels like >when you're in Rome but can't talk like the Romans do (to analogize an >old proverb). > ... This list is not generally for people who offer Mailman hosting. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/PythonHosting for pointers to organizitions that do. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Aug 23 22:03:09 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:03:09 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses In-Reply-To: <5b.56c01683.2e576146@aol.com> References: <5b.56c01683.2e576146@aol.com> Message-ID: At 10:14 AM -0400 2004-08-20, Rhshutt at aol.com wrote: > I have and address that is too long. How do I get my address book to take > it. Address book? There is no address book in Mailman. Moreover, space characters are not allowed in e-mail addresses. Just what program are you thinking of here? -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Aug 23 22:06:10 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:06:10 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain equivalence In-Reply-To: <20040822043651.GA42206@pissonem.net> References: <20040822043651.GA42206@pissonem.net> Message-ID: At 12:36 AM -0400 2004-08-22, Toby Butzon wrote: > If there's already a good way to work around this issue, fill me in. Subscribe both sets of addresses, then set one of them to NOMAIL. User can post from either address, only one will actually get a copy of all posts to the list. Of course, you have to do this for each and every problematic user, which could be a pain. You might need to do some scripting and make use of the command-line tools, if you want to minimize the amount of work required. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Aug 23 22:04:27 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:04:27 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 6:27 PM -0400 2004-08-21, Monetary Values wrote: > Will this program allow someone to send email to more than 30 people at a > time since most ISPs consider spamming with more than 30 people. I have a > client who has many clients that he sends email to regarding his business. Mailman will send to as many or as few addresses in a single message as you configure it to use. What your ISP thinks of this is a totally different matter. Most ISPs do not look kindly at their users trying to run mailing list servers, and if you are in that situation you should seriously consider looking to have your mailing list hosted somewhere else. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jp_mailman at gcfl.net Mon Aug 23 22:53:47 2004 From: jp_mailman at gcfl.net (John Price) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:53:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses In-Reply-To: References: <5b.56c01683.2e576146@aol.com> Message-ID: <20040823205346.GC4645@gcfl.net> On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 10:03:09PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: > Moreover, > space characters are not allowed in e-mail addresses. Actually, according to RFC822 (section 3.4.1), spaces are allowed in email addresses: Note: In particular, quoting is NOT permitted within atoms. For example when the local-part of an addr-spec must contain a special character, a quoted string must be used. Therefore, a specification such as: Full\ Name at Domain is not legal and must be specified as: "Full Name"@Domain Moreover, I've encounted several bone-headed sys admins that are assigning email addresses that are of this format. Of course, when I complained to them that they are idiots for choosing such email addresses, they pointed me to RFC822. I still think they are idiots... Later, John -- No one is listening until you make a mistake. Have a great day and don't forget to laugh! http://www.gcfl.net (The Good, Clean Funnies List): Good, clean daily funnies you can safely tell your mom! From msapiro at value.net Mon Aug 23 22:54:27 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:54:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain equivalence In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brad Knowles wrote: >At 12:36 AM -0400 2004-08-22, Toby Butzon wrote: > >> If there's already a good way to work around this issue, fill me in. > > Subscribe both sets of addresses, then set one of them to NOMAIL. >User can post from either address, only one will actually get a copy >of all posts to the list. > Or just add the second address to the "non-members allowed to post" filter. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From nyland23 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 00:29:46 2004 From: nyland23 at yahoo.com (Jared Nyland) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archives Message-ID: <20040823222946.68346.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I am having troubles with the archives displaying for the month of August. When I run arch in the bin directory everything shows up working great. Do I need to setup a cron job to do this for me or should this automatically work by default. Thanks in advance Jared _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Aug 24 00:11:31 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:11:31 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses In-Reply-To: <20040823205346.GC4645@gcfl.net> References: <5b.56c01683.2e576146@aol.com> <20040823205346.GC4645@gcfl.net> Message-ID: At 3:53 PM -0500 2004-08-23, John Price wrote: > Actually, according to RFC822 (section 3.4.1), spaces are > allowed in email addresses: RFC 822 has been superceded for quite some time. See instead. The wording is more difficult for me to read, but from what I've been able to gather so far, the use of space characters is no longer allowed. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From msapiro at value.net Tue Aug 24 01:20:27 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:20:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archives In-Reply-To: <20040823222946.68346.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jared Nyland wrote: > >I am having troubles with the archives displaying for >the month of August. When I run arch in the bin >directory everything shows up working great. Do I >need to setup a cron job to do this for me or should >this automatically work by default. > bin/arch is only intended for importing archives from elsewhere or rebuilding the archive from scratch (--wipe option). It is not normally required for day to day archive maintenance. Presumably at least part of archiving is working since you have a file for bin/arch to work from (.mbox/.mbox or ?). Also, at this point your /2004-August/ directory exists even if it was bin/arch that created it. Do messages (nnnnnn.html) get added? Do the author, date, subject and thread .html files get updated? How about the /2004-August.txt? Maybe it's a permission issue? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Aug 24 01:43:53 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:43:53 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brad Knowles wrote: > > RFC 822 has been superceded for quite some time. See > instead. The wording is >more difficult for me to read, but from what I've been able to gather >so far, the use of space characters is no longer allowed. > It depends on what you mean by "superceded". According to STD 1 (RFC 3700, July 2004), the mail standard is STD 11, RFC 822. RFC 2822 is a "proposed standard protocol". -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Aug 24 03:33:19 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:33:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help, let me out of here In-Reply-To: <412A2EFE.1B590EA1@TreeClimbingCO.com> Message-ID: Harv Teitelbaum wrote: >Yes Mark, I tried those things, and they don't work. I followed the same >URL you show below and followed the instructions. Twice. The page that >loaded then had the message "A confirmation email has been sent..." but I >never received anything, and am still subscribed. > I don't know why you don't receive the confirmation. I think it is from mailman-users-request at python.org with an envelope sender of mailman-users-bounces at python.org. If you follow the same link to http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users, enter your e-mail and click "unsubscribe or edit options" and then instead of clicking "unsubscribe" on the next page, enter your password and click "log in", you will be taken to your options page where you can unsubscribe without confirmation. If you don't know your password, you can always request it, and even if you don't request it, it is normally mailed to you on the 1st of each month. If none of this works, try mailing mailman-users-owner at python.org and explaining what you've done and maybe the owner will remove you, > >Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> >From the headers sent in list messages: >> >> List-Unsubscribe: >> , >> >> >> Are you saying you've tried these things and they don't work, or just >> that you don't know what to do? >> -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jp_mailman at gcfl.net Tue Aug 24 05:20:11 2004 From: jp_mailman at gcfl.net (John Price) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:20:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses (the nightmare continues) In-Reply-To: References: <5b.56c01683.2e576146@aol.com> <20040823205346.GC4645@gcfl.net> Message-ID: <20040824032011.GH10367@gcfl.net> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:11:31AM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 3:53 PM -0500 2004-08-23, John Price wrote: > > > Actually, according to RFC822 (section 3.4.1), spaces are > > allowed in email addresses: > > RFC 822 has been superceded for quite some time. See > instead. The wording is > more difficult for me to read, but from what I've been able to gather > so far, the use of space characters is no longer allowed. I've been studying RFC2822, and it's even nastier than I originally thought. :( Basically, the local part of an email address is called the "local-part" (sec 3.4.1). The local-part can be one of three things: dot-atom, quoted-string, or obs-local-part. A quoted-string is defined as optional white-space, a quote, zero or more combinations of white space and qtext or a quoted pair(s), and finally a quote and optionally more white space (although there is a note that RFC2822 does not allow white space between the local part and the '@' character). (sec 3.2.5) qtext is defined as ASCII characters 33, 35-91, 93-126 (not space, '@' or '\'). (sec 3.2.5) A quoted-pair is a backslash ('\') followed by any of these ASCII characters: 1-9, 11-12, 14-127 (all characters excluding NULL, CR and LF). (sec 3.2.2) This means you can have spaces in email addresses. Control characters are also allowed (except NULL, CR & LF) if they are escaped by a backslash. If the local-part is a quoted-string, it can also span multiple lines in the headers! So for example, this is legal: From: "some really long crazy address"@domain.com Subject: Check out the email address my idiot sys admin gave me! The From address should be converted to an actual email address that looks like this internally: some really long crazy address at domain.com I can see some idiot sys admin now dreaming of a way to assign someone an email address that has a bunch of backspace characters in it... But how the hell do you type that into a web form or your email program? If they really wanted that ability, why wouldn't they escape them like C does, i.e. "\x08" for a backspace. If they were going to obsolete RFC822, why would they leave all this in there??? Who needs control characters in any email, period? Pounding head on desk, John -- Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life. Have a great day and don't forget to laugh! http://www.gcfl.net (The Good, Clean Funnies List): Good, clean daily funnies you can safely tell your mom! From adam.steer at alia.org.au Tue Aug 24 08:21:34 2004 From: adam.steer at alia.org.au (Adam Steer) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:21:34 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] regular expressions/wildcards in remove_members? Message-ID: Hi All I'm wondering if it is possible to use regular expressions in 'remove_members'. I have a subscriber who has a curly quote in their subscribed address - which has thrown the web membership management interface for the relevant list off the planet, and I haven't been able to work around it any other way... The FAQ has an example with a comma - but curly quotes are another beast entirely.... Any clues would be handy! Thanks Adam. -- Adam Steer Web publishing officer Australian Library and Information Association adam.steer at alia.org.au http://alia.org.au +61 2 6215 8234 From iane at sussex.ac.uk Tue Aug 24 10:55:52 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:55:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses In-Reply-To: References: <5b.56c01683.2e576146@aol.com> Message-ID: --On Monday, August 23, 2004 10:03 pm +0200 Brad Knowles wrote: > At 10:14 AM -0400 2004-08-20, Rhshutt at aol.com wrote: > >> I have and address that is too long. How do I get my address book to >> take it. > > Address book? There is no address book in Mailman. > Moreover, space > characters are not allowed in e-mail addresses. Huh? there were no spaces in the email address mentioned. > Just what program are you thinking of here? -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Aug 24 12:44:15 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:44:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses In-Reply-To: References: <5b.56c01683.2e576146@aol.com> Message-ID: At 9:55 AM +0100 2004-08-24, Ian Eiloart wrote: >> Moreover, space >> characters are not allowed in e-mail addresses. > > Huh? there were no spaces in the email address mentioned. See the original message. The OP was complaining about spaces in e-mail addresses. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Aug 24 13:03:46 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:03:46 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses (the nightmare continues) In-Reply-To: <20040824032011.GH10367@gcfl.net> References: <5b.56c01683.2e576146@aol.com> <20040823205346.GC4645@gcfl.net> <20040824032011.GH10367@gcfl.net> Message-ID: At 10:20 PM -0500 2004-08-23, John Price wrote: > If they were going to obsolete RFC822, why would they > leave all this in there??? Who needs control characters > in any email, period? Gack! I'm sorry, I hadn't fully read that part of the spec yet. I do not know why they decided to take a bad situation and make it even worse. Sigh.... -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From luis.talora at iesa.com.br Tue Aug 24 13:55:37 2004 From: luis.talora at iesa.com.br (Luis Fernando C. Talora) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:55:37 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Translation problem Message-ID: Friends, I?m using some lists in Brazilian Portuguese and noticed some translation errors. Trying to correct some of those errors, I?ve made a few changes on the file /var/mailman/messages/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po None of the changes I?ve made seemed to appear on the Mailman web interface. Do someone know what am I doing wrong? Thanks! _______________________ Lu?s Fernando C. Talora ========================================================= Esta mensagem pode conter informa??o confidencial e/ou privilegiada. Se voc? n?o for o destinat?rio ou a pessoa autorizada a receber esta mensagem, n?o dever? utilizar, copiar, alterar, divulgar a informa??o nela contida ou tomar qualquer a??o baseada nessas informa??es. Se voc? recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor avise imediatamente o remetente, respondendo o e-mail e em seguida apague-o. Agradecemos sua coopera??o. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, change, take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. ========================================================= From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Aug 24 14:09:22 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:09:22 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Translation problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:55 AM -0300 2004-08-24, Luis Fernando C. Talora wrote: > None of the changes I?ve made seemed to appear on the Mailman web interface. > Do someone know what am I doing wrong? Did you stop and restart mailman via the mailmanctl utility? -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From gblack at blacksbay.com Tue Aug 24 19:36:08 2004 From: gblack at blacksbay.com (Glenn Black) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:36:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delete posting without shell access Message-ID: <412B7C88.30702@blacksbay.com> I have read the posting about deleting postings and running the re-archive function. Unfortunately, I don't have shell access on my virtual hosted server for security reasons. Getting host server personnel to do it is impossible ("we don't do that, you have to self manage."). Is there no other way than delete the entire maillist & start all over? From jeff at look.net Tue Aug 24 19:51:49 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:51:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delete posting without shell access In-Reply-To: <412B7C88.30702@blacksbay.com> References: <412B7C88.30702@blacksbay.com> Message-ID: <45EEDC02-F5F6-11D8-BB24-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 24, 2004, at 1:36 PM, Glenn Black wrote: > I have read the posting about deleting postings and running the > re-archive function. Unfortunately, I don't have shell access on my > virtual hosted server for security reasons. Getting host server > personnel to do it is impossible ("we don't do that, you have to self > manage."). Is there no other way than delete the entire maillist & > start all over? How are you supposed to 'self manage' _anything_ w/o shell access? -Jeff From allen at circleofa.com Tue Aug 24 18:29:26 2004 From: allen at circleofa.com (Allen Watson) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:29:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass settings Message-ID: When I populated a list with hundreds of addresses, I inadvertantly set the default of all users to "Hide". I want to unhide all of them. Is there any way I can do this en masse, rather than individually unchecking "Hide" for every user in the web interface? -- Your companion on the journey, Allen Watson The Circle of Atonement, P.O. Box 4238, W. Sedona, AZ 86340 "Thus is your healing everything the world requires, that it may be healed" (A Course in Miracles, T-27.V.7:1). From jeff at look.net Tue Aug 24 20:17:08 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:17:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Aug 24, 2004, at 12:29 PM, Allen Watson wrote: > When I populated a list with hundreds of addresses, I inadvertantly > set the > default of all users to "Hide". I want to unhide all of them. Is there > any > way I can do this en masse, rather than individually unchecking "Hide" > for > every user in the web interface? You can do this using 'withlist'. -Jeff From jwblist at olympus.net Tue Aug 24 20:37:52 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:37:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delete posting without shell access In-Reply-To: <412B7C88.30702@blacksbay.com> Message-ID: On 8/24/2004 10:36, "Glenn Black" wrote: > I have read the posting about deleting postings and running the > re-archive function. Unfortunately, I don't have shell access on my > virtual hosted server for security reasons. Getting host server > personnel to do it is impossible ("we don't do that, you have to self > manage."). Is there no other way than delete the entire maillist & > start all over? I don't know of any other way. I think that some such provision would be highly desirable (the whole archive area needs work). Consider the position a British list manager would be in, without shell access, when a British list member demands for privacy reasons that a message be removed. Said list manager has no choice but to comply (or face the fines and jail time that the wrath of Her Majesty's privacy czar brings on), which basically would mean destroying the entire archive. --John From jeff at look.net Tue Aug 24 20:42:36 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:42:36 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E6B8040-F5FD-11D8-AE11-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 24, 2004, at 2:38 PM, Allen Watson wrote: > On 8/24/04 11:34 AM, I wrote: > >>> >>> You can do this using 'withlist'. >>> >>> >> I don't see "withlist" in the documentation I've been able to find. > > I should clarify; I am a list admin, but I don't have command line > access to > the system on which Mailman is running. I'm limited to the web > interface or > e-mail commands to thelist-request address. The folks at pair.com are > providing the lists to web hosting customers for free, so I can't > expect > much support from them in this regard. You need shell access to use withlist. If all you have is the web interface I suspect you'd have to go through and do it manually. -Jeff From jwblist at olympus.net Tue Aug 24 20:45:09 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:45:09 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delete posting without shell access In-Reply-To: <45EEDC02-F5F6-11D8-BB24-000A959666F6@look.net> Message-ID: On 8/24/2004 10:51, "Jeff Barger" wrote: > > On Aug 24, 2004, at 1:36 PM, Glenn Black wrote: > >> I have read the posting about deleting postings and running the >> re-archive function. Unfortunately, I don't have shell access on my >> virtual hosted server for security reasons. Getting host server >> personnel to do it is impossible ("we don't do that, you have to self >> manage."). Is there no other way than delete the entire maillist & >> start all over? > > How are you supposed to 'self manage' _anything_ w/o shell access? I think there is little choice for the future but to make more of the bin/xxx capabilities, and archive management, available by means other than shell access. Shell access is increasingly hard to get from providers; at the same time, running mailing lists on personal-type connections is increasingly hard...and is becoming hard on small business connections as well. So list services providers need to be able to make things like "remove this message from the archive" and many other things available to the list managers directly, rather than the way we do it ($75 per hour for "special engineering services"). --John From jwblist at olympus.net Tue Aug 24 20:47:40 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:47:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass settings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/24/2004 11:17, "Jeff Barger" wrote: > > On Aug 24, 2004, at 12:29 PM, Allen Watson wrote: > >> When I populated a list with hundreds of addresses, I inadvertantly >> set the >> default of all users to "Hide". I want to unhide all of them. Is there >> any >> way I can do this en masse, rather than individually unchecking "Hide" >> for >> every user in the web interface? > > You can do this using 'withlist'. Given the needed access. --John From jeff at look.net Tue Aug 24 21:05:05 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:05:05 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delete posting without shell access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82891244-F600-11D8-AE11-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 24, 2004, at 2:45 PM, John W. Baxter wrote: > I think there is little choice for the future but to make more of the > bin/xxx capabilities, and archive management, available by means other > than > shell access. While I'm all for such additions I doubt you'll see anything like that soon. Maybe with 3.0? > So list services providers need to be able to make things like "remove > this > message from the archive" and many other things available to the list > managers directly, rather than the way we do it ($75 per hour for > "special > engineering services"). This is something you should consider when you choose a provider. I work for such a provider (which will be nameless) and I consider doing things like this as part of our 'service'. Deleting/changing a message in the mbox and running 'arch' to rebuild the archive only takes a few moments of my time. -Jeff From jeff at look.net Tue Aug 24 21:08:50 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:08:50 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delete posting without shell access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <086C1075-F601-11D8-AE11-000A959666F6@look.net> On Aug 24, 2004, at 2:37 PM, John W. Baxter wrote: > On 8/24/2004 10:36, "Glenn Black" wrote: > >> I have read the posting about deleting postings and running the >> re-archive function. Unfortunately, I don't have shell access on my >> virtual hosted server for security reasons. Getting host server >> personnel to do it is impossible ("we don't do that, you have to self >> manage."). Is there no other way than delete the entire maillist & >> start all over? > > I don't know of any other way. > > I think that some such provision would be highly desirable (the whole > archive area needs work). > > Consider the position a British list manager would be in, without shell > access, when a British list member demands for privacy reasons that a > message be removed. Said list manager has no choice but to comply (or > face > the fines and jail time that the wrath of Her Majesty's privacy czar > brings > on), which basically would mean destroying the entire archive. I run many lists for UK companies/organizations (and have for years). I've never run into this but if it was a concern to someone I'd suggest they disable the built-in archiving and go another route. You can use other archiving systems, you know. -Jeff From Eron at nanmckay.com Tue Aug 24 22:02:04 2004 From: Eron at nanmckay.com (Eron Armour) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:02:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation/configuration problem Message-ID: <5E460E9F8C35724C990F2BAF50A5CBD1728709@exchange.nanmckay.com> Hi folks, I've set up a Fedora box, installed apache and mailman and set up a list with not much problem. When I try to send to my list I get a bounce: There was a SMTP communication problem with the recipient's email server. Please contact your system administrator. < localhost.localdomain #5.5.0 X-Unix; 69> The maillog says: Aug 24 12:41:05 newsletter sendmail[1894]: i7OJf3mq001894: from=, size=68586, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<5E460E9F8C35724C990F2BAF50A5CBD14B7DA5 at exchange.mydomain.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ip192-168-1-159.z1-168-192.customer.algx.net [192.168.1.159] Aug 24 12:41:05 newsletter smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use "mailman post pih_trial" (stat failed) Aug 24 12:41:05 newsletter sendmail[1895]: i7OJf3mq001894: to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post trial", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=98854, dsn=5.0.0, stat=Service unavailable Aug 24 12:41:05 newsletter sendmail[1895]: i7OJf3mq001894: i7OJf5mq001895: DSN: Service unavailable Aug 24 12:41:05 newsletter sendmail[1895]: i7OJf5mq001895: to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=99878, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent This is my first attempt at setting up a list so I'm not sure what to do now. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -Thanks <<>><<>><<>><<>> Eron Armour From nyland23 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 22:55:56 2004 From: nyland23 at yahoo.com (Jared Nyland) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040824205556.13455.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> In trouble shooting this issue a little bit more. It looks like the lists that I had to move from one server to another the archives are not working correctly. If I create a new list on the new server everything seems to work just fine. Is there a step I forgot when migrating lists over to a new server for archives to work? Thanks again Jared --- Mark Sapiro wrote: > Jared Nyland wrote: > > > >I am having troubles with the archives displaying > for > >the month of August. When I run arch in the bin > >directory everything shows up working great. Do I > >need to setup a cron job to do this for me or > should > >this automatically work by default. > > > > bin/arch is only intended for importing archives > from elsewhere or > rebuilding the archive from scratch (--wipe option). > It is not > normally required for day to day archive > maintenance. > > Presumably at least part of archiving is working > since you have a file > for bin/arch to work from > (.mbox/.mbox or ?). > > Also, at this point your /2004-August/ > directory exists even > if it was bin/arch that created it. Do messages > (nnnnnn.html) get > added? Do the author, date, subject and thread .html > files get updated? > How about the /2004-August.txt? > > Maybe it's a permission issue? > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is > for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use > your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From allen at circleofa.com Tue Aug 24 23:13:06 2004 From: allen at circleofa.com (Allen Watson) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:13:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass settings In-Reply-To: <5E6B8040-F5FD-11D8-AE11-000A959666F6@look.net> Message-ID: On or near 8/24/04 11:42 AM, Jeff Barger at jeff at look.net observed: > > On Aug 24, 2004, at 2:38 PM, Allen Watson wrote: > >> On 8/24/04 11:34 AM, I wrote: >> >>>> >>>> You can do this using 'withlist'. >>>> >>>> >>> I don't see "withlist" in the documentation I've been able to find. >> >> I should clarify; I am a list admin, but I don't have command line >> access to >> the system on which Mailman is running. I'm limited to the web >> interface or >> e-mail commands to thelist-request address. The folks at pair.com are >> providing the lists to web hosting customers for free, so I can't >> expect >> much support from them in this regard. > > You need shell access to use withlist. If all you have is the web > interface I suspect you'd have to go through and do it manually. > > That's the case AFAIK. I'll have to inquire at Pair.com to see if I can get access. -- Allen Watson The Circle of Atonement, P.O. Box 4238, W. Sedona, AZ 86340 "Thus is your healing everything the world requires, that it may be healed" (A Course in Miracles, T-27.V.7:1). From s.attwell at cqu.edu.au Wed Aug 25 03:04:49 2004 From: s.attwell at cqu.edu.au (Simon Attwell) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:04:49 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman discarding messages with no reason. Message-ID: Hi all, We've got a situation here where mailman is vetting messages with no reason. Aug 24 09:08:57 2004 (12506) Message discarded, msgid: , reason: Aug 24 10:07:16 2004 (12506) Message discarded, msgid: , reason: Aug 24 10:29:52 2004 (12506) Message discarded, msgid: , reason: Aug 24 10:33:51 2004 (12506) Message discarded, msgid: , reason: Has anyone seen anything like this ? I've asked the user for a copy of the original message since to all concerned the message just disappeared into the void. - Simon -- Simon Attwell Corporate Systems Administrator Corporate Technology Infrastructure Information Technology Division Central Queensland University Email: s.attwell at cqu.edu.au Phone: 07 4930 9829 From jwt at onjapan.net Wed Aug 25 04:34:31 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:34:31 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] regular expressions/wildcards in remove_members? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B43C6EE-F63F-11D8-A8D7-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Aug 24, 2004, at 15:21, Adam Steer wrote: > I'm wondering if it is possible to use regular expressions in > 'remove_members'. I have a subscriber who has a curly quote in their > subscribed address - which has thrown the web membership management > interface for the relevant list off the planet, and I haven't been able > to work around it any other way... > > The FAQ has an example with a comma - but curly quotes are another > beast entirely.... No, bin/remove_members does not allow specifying subscribers with regular expressions. You can use Mailman's bin/withlist to remove subscribers with ill-formed addresses. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From msapiro at value.net Wed Aug 25 05:13:07 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:13:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archives In-Reply-To: <20040824205556.13455.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jared Nyland wrote: >In trouble shooting this issue a little bit more. It >looks like the lists that I had to move from one >server to another the archives are not working >correctly. If I create a new list on the new server >everything seems to work just fine. > >Is there a step I forgot when migrating lists over to >a new server for archives to work? > Maybe. Have you tried running bin/check_perms ? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Wed Aug 25 05:43:59 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:43:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brad Knowles wrote: >At 9:55 AM +0100 2004-08-24, Ian Eiloart wrote: > >>> Moreover, space >>> characters are not allowed in e-mail addresses. >> >> Huh? there were no spaces in the email address mentioned. > > See the original message. The OP was complaining about spaces in >e-mail addresses. > Actually, the only mention of "spaces" by the OP was in the subject "Spaces in Email Addresses". The text of the post and the example therein had nothing to do with spaces, only with length. Thus I thought that perhaps the OP was not too familiar with English and really meant "characters" or "number of characters" rather than "spaces". -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From adam.steer at alia.org.au Wed Aug 25 06:22:37 2004 From: adam.steer at alia.org.au (Adam Steer) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:22:37 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] regular expressions/wildcards in remove_members? Message-ID: Thanks Jim tried that already, with abysmal failure. I couldn't generate a regular expression that would work with 'withlist' either - some hand-editing of the condig.db revealed that the address was malformed very badly - interpreted about four different ways. Homage to Mailman's valiant attempts to protect itself, but a nasty little surprise to boot. So, I'm about to grab all I can from the list and regenerate it, sans-bad-address. A big hammer, but the least-time-consuming option from here. I suspect the address was added back in MM2.0 days, and nobody has looked at the subscriber list using the admin interface for a few months. Oddly enough, the roster available from /listinfo/ pages is unaffected. It renders the address with a curly quote... I'll see if anyone has added regular expressions in member-removal functions to the wishlist. Cheers Adam. -- Adam Steer Web publishing officer Australian Library and Information Association adam.steer at alia.org.au http://alia.org.au +61 2 6215 8234 >>> Jim Tittsler - 25/8/04 12:34 PM >>> On Aug 24, 2004, at 15:21, Adam Steer wrote: > I'm wondering if it is possible to use regular expressions in > 'remove_members'. I have a subscriber who has a curly quote in their > subscribed address - which has thrown the web membership management > interface for the relevant list off the planet, and I haven't been able > to work around it any other way... > > The FAQ has an example with a comma - but curly quotes are another > beast entirely.... No, bin/remove_members does not allow specifying subscribers with regular expressions. You can use Mailman's bin/withlist to remove subscribers with ill-formed addresses. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From adam.steer at alia.org.au Wed Aug 25 06:29:15 2004 From: adam.steer at alia.org.au (Adam Steer) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:29:15 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archives Message-ID: If check_perms works fine, then look at permissions where your mbox files live. If they're all good, then try using the '--wipe' option when rebuilding archives: /[path.to]/mailman/bin/arch --wipe [list] /[path.to]/mailman/archives/private/[list].mbox/[list].mbox ...a bit of a clean up before reinstating archives was necessary last time we moved MM around. cheers .a -- Adam Steer Web publishing officer Australian Library and Information Association adam.steer at alia.org.au http://alia.org.au +61 2 6215 8234 >>> Mark Sapiro - 25/8/04 1:13 PM >>> Jared Nyland wrote: >In trouble shooting this issue a little bit more. It >looks like the lists that I had to move from one >server to another the archives are not working >correctly. If I create a new list on the new server >everything seems to work just fine. > >Is there a step I forgot when migrating lists over to >a new server for archives to work? > Maybe. Have you tried running bin/check_perms ? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From jwt at onjapan.net Wed Aug 25 06:33:08 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:33:08 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Aug 25, 2004, at 06:13, Allen Watson wrote: >> You need shell access to use withlist. If all you have is the web >> interface I suspect you'd have to go through and do it manually. >> >> > That's the case AFAIK. I'll have to inquire at Pair.com to see if I > can get > access. bin/withlist is the best solution. However if you don't have shell access, there is the kludge of *locally* scripting the web operations necessary to get your result... working entirely through the web interface. Given a list of subscriber email addresses (which you may be able to obtain by mailing the 'who' command to the list-request, although it sounds like you have a list that you mass subscribed), you could script something using Python or a shell script invoking 'curl' running on your local machine that sent the web requests to set the options you wanted. For example, using Python running on your local machine, and assuming list 'mylist' on 'www.mydomain.com' with admin password 'listpassword' and the subscriber email addresses one per line in 'subscribers.txt': #!/usr/bin/env python import urllib subscribers = open('subscribers.txt', 'rt') listname = 'mylist' params = urllib.urlencode({'password':'listpassword', 'conceal':0, 'options-submit':1}) for subscriber in subscribers: u = urllib.urlopen("http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/options/%s/%s" % (listname, urllib.quote(subscriber.strip())), params) u.close() For extra credit, you could scrape the users that need setting from the Membership Management web pages. Or use a shell script taking advantage of curl's -F option. I feel so unclean. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at onjapan.net Wed Aug 25 06:52:39 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:52:39 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] regular expressions/wildcards in remove_members? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <973428E0-F652-11D8-97B3-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Aug 25, 2004, at 13:22, Adam Steer wrote: > tried that already, with abysmal failure. I couldn't generate a regular > expression that would work with 'withlist' either - some hand-editing > of > the condig.db revealed that the address was malformed very badly - $ bin/withlist -l mylist >>> deletions = [] >>> for member in m.members: ... if member.find('{') >= 0: ... deletions.append(member) ... >>> print deletions >>> for deletion in deletions: ... del(m.members[deletion]) ... >>> m.Save() You could also import the re module if you really need regular expressions to isolate the address(es). -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From adam.steer at alia.org.au Wed Aug 25 09:38:07 2004 From: adam.steer at alia.org.au (Adam Steer) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:38:07 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] regular expressions/wildcards in remove_members? Message-ID: Thanks! My Python is sadly lacking, I'm afraid. I was able to use the method below to search for a string in the address and remove it. Reckon it's worth adding to the FAQ? Cheers Adam. -- Adam Steer Web publishing officer Australian Library and Information Association adam.steer at alia.org.au http://alia.org.au +61 2 6215 8234 >>> Jim Tittsler - 25/8/04 2:52 PM >>> On Aug 25, 2004, at 13:22, Adam Steer wrote: > tried that already, with abysmal failure. I couldn't generate a regular > expression that would work with 'withlist' either - some hand-editing > of > the condig.db revealed that the address was malformed very badly - $ bin/withlist -l mylist >>> deletions = [] >>> for member in m.members: ... if member.find('{') >= 0: ... deletions.append(member) ... >>> print deletions >>> for deletion in deletions: ... del(m.members[deletion]) ... >>> m.Save() You could also import the re module if you really need regular expressions to isolate the address(es). -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Aug 25 10:04:04 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:04:04 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spaces in Email Addresses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:43 PM -0700 2004-08-24, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Actually, the only mention of "spaces" by the OP was in the subject > "Spaces in Email Addresses". The text of the post and the example > therein had nothing to do with spaces, only with length. Thus I > thought that perhaps the OP was not too familiar with English and > really meant "characters" or "number of characters" rather than > "spaces". You're probably correct. However, it was my focus on the subject line which I think lead us down the RFC 822/2822 rathole. Sigh.... -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From bandj1 at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 25 14:15:54 2004 From: bandj1 at bellsouth.net (bryan) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:15:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and fedora core 1 Message-ID: <006901c48a9d$455a2250$0500a8c0@bryan> Hey can anyone tell me how to change the default email address? i mistakenly set it to @www.domain.com instead of @domain.com Thanks, Bryan From rick at niof.net Wed Aug 25 14:57:59 2004 From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:57:59 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] debian upgrade to 2.1.5 Message-ID: <20040825125759.GD16618@niof.net> mailman appeared in the list of potential upgrades this morning but when I try to install it I'm told that there are files in /var/lib/mailman/qfiles so the upgrade won't happen. There are no *files* in that directory, however there are some *directories* there. I'm told to run 'mailmanctl start' to clear out the files and then run the update again. When I try to do that I'm told that qrunner is already running. How can I find what files are blocking the upgrade? -- "A man who has nothing he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, who has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of men better than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever- renewing fight...human beings must be willing...to do battle for the one against the other." -- John Stuart Mill Rick Pasotto rick at niof.net http://www.niof.net From bandj1 at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 25 15:44:09 2004 From: bandj1 at bellsouth.net (bryan) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:44:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on fedora core1 Message-ID: <008401c48aa9$9963d7e0$0500a8c0@bryan> sorry should have been more clear, i have already gone into the mm_cfg.py file and changed it there, but when i go to www.domain.com/mailman it still shows up as @www.domain.com instead of @domain.com I have restarted httpd and mailman, is there a command for redhat / fedora that would change that. Thanks, Bryan From luis.talora at iesa.com.br Wed Aug 25 16:08:41 2004 From: luis.talora at iesa.com.br (Luis Fernando C. Talora) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:08:41 -0300 Subject: RES: [Mailman-Users] mailman and fedora core 1 Message-ID: Did you go to http:// www.domain.com/mailman /admin/yourlist and, at General Options, changed the hostname option? []?s Talora -----Mensagem original----- De: bryan [mailto:bandj1 at bellsouth.net] Enviada em: quarta-feira, 25 de agosto de 2004 10:42 Para: Luis Fernando C. Talora Assunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman and fedora core 1 I did that, but when i go to the www.domain.com/mailman its still showing up as @www.domain.com i restarted mailman and httpd, wonder if i should restart the server Thanks, Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: Luis Fernando C. Talora To: 'bryan' Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 7:25 AM Subject: RES: [Mailman-Users] mailman and fedora core 1 Edit /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and change DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST. 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Thank you for your cooperation. ========================================================= From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Aug 25 17:42:07 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:42:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] debian upgrade to 2.1.5 In-Reply-To: <20040825125759.GD16618@niof.net> References: <20040825125759.GD16618@niof.net> Message-ID: <51F05A98-F6AD-11D8-A58E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On 25 Aug 2004, at 13:57, Rick Pasotto wrote: > mailman appeared in the list of potential upgrades this morning but > when > I try to install it I'm told that there are files in > /var/lib/mailman/qfiles so the upgrade won't happen. There are no > *files* in that directory, however there are some *directories* there. > > I'm told to run 'mailmanctl start' to clear out the files and then run > the update again. When I try to do that I'm told that qrunner is > already > running. > If there and files in the subdirs of $prefix/qfiles/ then make sure 'mailmanctl start' has started the qrunners and let it run until the subdirs are empty. Then stop your local MTA, sendmail or whatever, so that it will not deliver any more messages into the $prefix/qfiles/in subdir. Run 'mailmanctl stop' to stop the qrunners and you should be able to safely upgrade the mailman installation. I cannot speak to debian and how it does upgrades. Thew restart your MTA and run 'mailmanctl start'. > How can I find what files are blocking the upgrade? > > -- > "A man who has nothing he is willing to fight for, nothing which he > cares more about than he does his own personal safety, is a miserable > creature, who has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by > the exertions of men better than himself. As long as justice and > injustice have not terminated their ever- renewing fight...human > beings must be willing...to do battle for the one against the other." > -- John Stuart Mill > Rick Pasotto rick at niof.net http://www.niof.net > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > From rick at niof.net Wed Aug 25 18:30:51 2004 From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:30:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] debian upgrade to 2.1.5 In-Reply-To: <51F05A98-F6AD-11D8-A58E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> References: <20040825125759.GD16618@niof.net> <51F05A98-F6AD-11D8-A58E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <20040825163051.GF16618@niof.net> On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 04:42:07PM +0100, Richard Barrett wrote: > > On 25 Aug 2004, at 13:57, Rick Pasotto wrote: > > >mailman appeared in the list of potential upgrades this morning but > >when > >I try to install it I'm told that there are files in > >/var/lib/mailman/qfiles so the upgrade won't happen. There are no > >*files* in that directory, however there are some *directories* there. > > > >I'm told to run 'mailmanctl start' to clear out the files and then run > >the update again. When I try to do that I'm told that qrunner is > >already > >running. > > If there and files in the subdirs of $prefix/qfiles/ then make sure > 'mailmanctl start' has started the qrunners and let it run until the > subdirs are empty. Then stop your local MTA, sendmail or whatever, so > that it will not deliver any more messages into the $prefix/qfiles/in > subdir. Run 'mailmanctl stop' to stop the qrunners and you should be > able to safely upgrade the mailman installation. I cannot speak to > debian and how it does upgrades. Thew restart your MTA and run > 'mailmanctl start'. There is *nothing* for qrunner to process. There are files in the 'bad' directory. There are files in the 'shunt' directory. There is one file in the 'commands' directory which is waiting for moderator action. > >How can I find what files are blocking the upgrade? Why should any of those files block the upgrade? -- "Within the limits of equity, everything is to be accomplished through the free and perfectible initiative of man; nothing is to be achieved by law or by force save universal justice." -- Fr?d?ric Bastiat (1801-1850) Rick Pasotto rick at niof.net http://www.niof.net From allen at circleofa.com Wed Aug 25 18:54:19 2004 From: allen at circleofa.com (Allen Watson) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:54:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass settings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On or near 8/24/04 9:33 PM, Jim Tittsler at jwt at onjapan.net observed: > On Aug 25, 2004, at 06:13, Allen Watson wrote: >>> You need shell access to use withlist. If all you have is the web >>> interface I suspect you'd have to go through and do it manually. >>> >>> >> That's the case AFAIK. I'll have to inquire at Pair.com to see if I >> can get >> access. > > bin/withlist is the best solution. > > However if you don't have shell access, there is the kludge of > *locally* scripting the web operations necessary to get your result... > working entirely through the web interface. Jim, thanks for all this info (deleted for brevity)... > > Given a list of subscriber email addresses (which you may be able to > obtain by mailing the 'who' command to the list-request, although it > sounds like you have a list that you mass subscribed) It was the attempt to use "who" that uncovered the problem of everyone being set "hide"; when that's the case, the "who" list is empty! > For extra credit, you could scrape the users that need setting from the > Membership Management web pages. > That's what I'd have to do...but pair.com simply un-hid everyone for me. Still, I've saved your script for possible use later, modified for other purposes. > Or use a shell script taking advantage of curl's -F option. > That escapes me. I read the man entry on the -F option, but I'm not clear how I would use it. (Don't feel you need to explain. My experience with Unix shell scripts is limited to some stuff I did about 30 years ago and a few simple things done on my Mac OS X system.) > I feel so unclean. LOL! -- Your companion on the journey, Allen Watson The Circle of Atonement, P.O. Box 4238, W. Sedona, AZ 86340 "Thus is your healing everything the world requires, that it may be healed" (A Course in Miracles, T-27.V.7:1). From allen at circleofa.com Wed Aug 25 19:00:38 2004 From: allen at circleofa.com (Allen Watson) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:00:38 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delete posting without shell access In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On or near 8/24/04 11:45 AM, John W. Baxter at jwblist at olympus.net observed: > I think there is little choice for the future but to make more of the > bin/xxx capabilities, and archive management, available by means other than > shell access. I'd vote strongly in favor of changes in that direction. Just ran into a situation where I was unable to do what I wanted for lack of shell access. Fortunately my provider was willing to do it for me, free; but I'd much rather be able to do it myself. I've run into the inability to delete messages from the archive in the past--in that case, a message with offensive language that we wanted removed. -- Allen Watson The Circle of Atonement, P.O. Box 4238, W. Sedona, AZ 86340 "Thus is your healing everything the world requires, that it may be healed" (A Course in Miracles, T-27.V.7:1). From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Aug 25 19:43:45 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:43:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] debian upgrade to 2.1.5 In-Reply-To: <20040825163051.GF16618@niof.net> References: <20040825125759.GD16618@niof.net> <51F05A98-F6AD-11D8-A58E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> <20040825163051.GF16618@niof.net> Message-ID: <500C3E0B-F6BE-11D8-A58E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On 25 Aug 2004, at 17:30, Rick Pasotto wrote: > On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 04:42:07PM +0100, Richard Barrett wrote: >> >> On 25 Aug 2004, at 13:57, Rick Pasotto wrote: >> >>> mailman appeared in the list of potential upgrades this morning but >>> when >>> I try to install it I'm told that there are files in >>> /var/lib/mailman/qfiles so the upgrade won't happen. There are no >>> *files* in that directory, however there are some *directories* >>> there. >>> >>> I'm told to run 'mailmanctl start' to clear out the files and then >>> run >>> the update again. When I try to do that I'm told that qrunner is >>> already >>> running. >> >> If there and files in the subdirs of $prefix/qfiles/ then make sure >> 'mailmanctl start' has started the qrunners and let it run until the >> subdirs are empty. Then stop your local MTA, sendmail or whatever, so >> that it will not deliver any more messages into the $prefix/qfiles/in >> subdir. Run 'mailmanctl stop' to stop the qrunners and you should be >> able to safely upgrade the mailman installation. I cannot speak to >> debian and how it does upgrades. Thew restart your MTA and run >> 'mailmanctl start'. > > There is *nothing* for qrunner to process. Hey, you are the guy with the problem not me. If you do not like the help do not ask for it. > > There are files in the 'bad' directory. There are files in the 'shunt' > directory. There is one file in the 'commands' directory which is > waiting for moderator action. > >>> How can I find what files are blocking the upgrade? > > Why should any of those files block the upgrade? > Because that is the way that the Debian package developer decided it should be. This is not a Mailman issue per se. If you installed and upgraded Mailman from its source distribution you wouldn't get this hassle as this empty directory constraint is not a Mailman constraint. But, given you are doing it the Debian way, I guess you should stop the MTA, run 'mailmanctl stop', move those file under $prefix/qfiles/ to one side see if that will make the installer happy. bad means bad/cannot be handled and shunt probably means they cannot be handled. So you could choose to just delete this stuff but that is your choice. > -- > "Within the limits of equity, everything is to be accomplished through > the free and perfectible initiative of man; nothing is to be achieved > by > law or by force save universal justice." -- Fr?d?ric Bastiat > (1801-1850) > Rick Pasotto rick at niof.net http://www.niof.net From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Aug 25 20:53:06 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:53:06 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delete posting without shell access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:45 AM -0700 2004-08-24, John W. Baxter wrote: > I think there is little choice for the future but to make more of the > bin/xxx capabilities, and archive management, available by means other than > shell access. I don't think there's any question that Mailman is heading this direction. The issue is how fast can we get how much closer to this goal? If you've got any patches to help make this happen, we'd love to see them. Failing that, we're at the mercy of the development process from the people who are writing the code. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From christian at wix.dk Wed Aug 25 22:44:52 2004 From: christian at wix.dk (Christian Wix) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:44:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disable email commands Message-ID: <1736.82.211.206.24.1093466692.squirrel@webmail.linuxtips.dk> How do I disable email commands to the list server? // Christian Wix -- M.Sc. Student Bachelor of Science in Chemical Engineering Department of Chemical Engineering, DTU From shrub at yahoo.com Wed Aug 25 22:25:59 2004 From: shrub at yahoo.com (Paul Schreiber) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shunted message: AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'get_sender' Message-ID: <20040825202559.33987.qmail@web51804.mail.yahoo.com> I just upgraded from 2.1.4 to 2.1.5 (using debian). I went to send out a message. It didn't go out. I ran unshunt and got this error in the error log: Aug 25 13:10:17 2004 (29253) SHUNTING: 1093462156.3963161+de595c0688da87cffc43e9b0cc04a2bf4700dfb3 Aug 25 13:16:05 2004 (29253) Uncaught runner exception: 'str' object has no attribute 'get_sender' Aug 25 13:16:05 2004 (29253) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 159, in _onefile sender = msg.get_sender() AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'get_sender' I have Python 2.3.4. What's causing this? What's the fix/patch/workaround? Paul ===== shad 96c / uw cs 2001 / mac activist / fumbler / eda / headliner / navy-souper fan of / sophie b. / steve poltz / habs / bills / 49ers / __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From judypetersen at comcast.net Thu Aug 26 01:20:00 2004 From: judypetersen at comcast.net (Judy Petersen) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:20:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman has stopped processing mail Message-ID: Our Web host provides Mailman for our use and I am the new listkeeper. We generate a sizeable number of messages daily but the last one received (according to the archive) was early yesterday afternoon. Our ISP's answer to our help request was 'read the documentation' (which was interesting but doesn't have any troubleshooting). We have had several individuals not receiving the emails since switching to Mailman but now the entire list is unable to receive. What should I do next? To my knowledge, I have made no changes in the admin except to individual subscribers. Judy Petersen From msb at ichp.ufl.edu Thu Aug 26 01:21:56 2004 From: msb at ichp.ufl.edu (Matthew S. Barnes) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:21:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman sendmail Install Problems Message-ID: <373A274B42AABC4E9E499D516F14D888B92B@comtwo.ichp.edu> Hi folks I was wondering? Does mailman and sendmail have to run as the same user? I am working on a yellowdog 3 system trying to get mailman to work and im stuck on one spot the errors i keep getting are this messages sent to the list are bouncing at the mailserver (sendmail 8.12.8) lists creation works ok and initial email subscribe (outbound mail) works ok web interface works ok a look at /var/log/maillog logs shows this: Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as one of the following groups: [mail, nobody, mailman], but the system's mail erver executed the mail script as group: "mailnull". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as one of these groups: [mail, nobody, mailman], or re-run configure providing the command line option: '--with-mail-gid=mailnull'. We are running Mailman version 2.1.1 Any help is appreciated Matthew S Barnes (FTC/SS/DV) Network Administrator Institute for Child Health Policy Health Policy and Epidemiology 5700 S.W. 34th Street Suite 139 Gainesville FL 32608 Phone: (352)392-7745 (352)226-0955 (after hours) Fax :(352) 265-7221 msb at ichp.edu From msapiro at value.net Thu Aug 26 02:21:12 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:21:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman has stopped processing mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Judy Petersen wrote: >Our Web host provides Mailman for our use and I am the new listkeeper. We >generate a sizeable number of messages daily but the last one received >(according to the archive) was early yesterday afternoon. Our ISP's answer >to our help request was 'read the documentation' (which was interesting but >doesn't have any troubleshooting). We have had several individuals not >receiving the emails since switching to Mailman but now the entire list is >unable to receive. What should I do next? To my knowledge, I have made no >changes in the admin except to individual subscribers. Judy Petersen > Get a new web host/ISP ... (not helpful I know, but not 100% facetious) I assume you have web access to the admin pages for your list and no access (i.e. shell access to the server than Mailman is on) beyond that. If this is the case, there's not too much you can do. Check on the "General Options" page to be sure emergency moderation is set to "no", but if this were the problem, you would presumably be getting lots of moderation approval requests unless someone else is the moderator (or list owner if no moderator). Next I would check the Mailman logs (particularly "post", "error" and "smtp") and maybe MTA logs, but I'm guessing you don't have access to these. If this is the case, you have to go back to the ISP and be more demanding. If you're paying for Mailman hosting, they should be helping you. Regarding your prior problem of certain users not receiving, if their subs are in order and they are not set to "nomail" and mail is not bouncing (ideally, you can see the "bounce" log, but if you have the list set to process bounces and to send unrecognized bounces to you, people who are bouncing whose bounces you don't see will sooner or later be disabled), then the list mail is most likely being caught in a spam filter somewhere. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Aug 26 03:18:30 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:18:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disable email commands In-Reply-To: <1736.82.211.206.24.1093466692.squirrel@webmail.linuxtips.dk> Message-ID: Christian Wix wrote: > >How do I disable email commands to the list server? > You could always arrange your aliases to discard (or bounce) mail to the [listname]-request at your.domain address. This is rather drastic and would also mean that certain confirmation requests that come from that address could not be "replied to", but would have to be handled via the web interfaces, but maybe that's what you want? If you actually do this, you'd probably also want to edit the various templates to remove references to "replying to" the message. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Aug 26 03:29:51 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:29:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disable email commands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I meant to mention in my previous reply to see the FAQ article at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp and the others that it points to. Again, I'm guessing that you can't do these things directly, but maybe you can do your ISP's homework for them. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Aug 26 03:39:39 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:39:39 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman has stopped processing mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I clearly need to stop doing this now :-) The reply below was supposed to have the subject "Mailman has stopped processing mail", NOT "Disable email commands" Sorry for any confusion. >I meant to mention in my previous reply to see the FAQ article at >http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp >and the others that it points to. > >Again, I'm guessing that you can't do these things directly, but >maybe you can do your ISP's homework for them. > -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jwt at onjapan.net Thu Aug 26 06:15:13 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:15:13 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disable email commands In-Reply-To: <1736.82.211.206.24.1093466692.squirrel@webmail.linuxtips.dk> References: <1736.82.211.206.24.1093466692.squirrel@webmail.linuxtips.dk> Message-ID: <871DF3EE-F716-11D8-97B3-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Aug 26, 2004, at 05:44, Christian Wix wrote: > How do I disable email commands to the list server? If you want to disable them for all lists being controlled by a particular Mailman installation, you can remove the corresponding Mailman/Commands/cmd_* files. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From christian at wix.dk Thu Aug 26 09:58:47 2004 From: christian at wix.dk (Christian Wix) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:58:47 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disable email commands In-Reply-To: References: <1736.82.211.206.24.1093466692.squirrel@webmail.linuxtips.dk> Message-ID: <65211.83.88.201.210.1093507127.squirrel@webmail.linuxtips.dk> >> >>How do I disable email commands to the list server? >> > > You could always arrange your aliases to discard (or bounce) mail to the > [listname]-request at your.domain address. This is rather drastic and would > also mean that certain confirmation requests that come from that address > could not be "replied to", but would have to be handled via the web > interfaces, but maybe that's what you want? > > If you actually do this, you'd probably also want to edit the various > templates to remove references to "replying to" the message. > What I really want is: That the list server should not be managed in any matter by anyone but me. The users should only recieve "special" mails from the list server if they post someting illigal. I add users by command line. Passwords should not be something to warry about. If I use procmail to drop all mail to *-request at my.domain whould that do it? // Christian Wix -- M.Sc. Student Bachelor of Science in Chemical Engineering Department of Chemical Engineering, DTU From jgisler at mediafamily.org Thu Aug 26 17:01:25 2004 From: jgisler at mediafamily.org (Jennifer Gisler) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:01:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question Message-ID: <22AEA4B5411D2142BB8ED0CD25DF2C6121EAD9@fs_admin.mediafamily.org> Hi, Is there a way to get rid of the text attachments that get sent out with every email I (list admin) send out? We do send out html newsletters on this list, so we do not want to turn off the html option in the filtering area. Thanks, Jen From jfl at list.idg.dk Thu Aug 26 17:28:58 2004 From: jfl at list.idg.dk (Jacob Friis Larsen) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:28:58 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman vs bcc Message-ID: <412E01BA.9000702@list.idg.dk> Can mailman send mail just as fast as if I send 1 mail to 1000 addresses in bcc, assuming that the mta accepts 1000? Thanks, Jacob From msapiro at value.net Thu Aug 26 17:55:08 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:55:08 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question In-Reply-To: <22AEA4B5411D2142BB8ED0CD25DF2C6121EAD9@fs_admin.mediafamily.org> Message-ID: Jennifer Gisler wrote: > >Is there a way to get rid of the text attachments that get sent out with every email I (list admin) send out? We do send out html newsletters on this list, so we do not want to turn off the html option in the filtering area. > Visit the FAQ wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and look at article 4.39. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From valites at geneseo.edu Thu Aug 26 17:56:22 2004 From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] WishList Items (Forced Msg from Digest, Confirm. of Approval) Message-ID: The items below have come up lately as things we'd like to be able to do with our mailman setup. I'm open to any alternative suggestions, hacks or comments... One of my biggest mailman lists is used to broadcast messages to our entire student body. The list contains approximately ~5500 non-digest members and is posted to many times a day during the school year. While load induced from delivering ~5500 local messages hasn't caused a big problem yet (using exim-4.34/exican/clamav/spamassassin on solaris 9), I do "notice" everytime a message is sent to the list and a quick mailq confirms this one list driving my load up. When students return this weekend and the college gets back into full swing, I know we'll see more messages both to the list and in general, and I'd rather not have this list pounding my machine several times a day. The department that is responsible for the list is leary of making all the members of the list digest members, in case an important message needs to be sent immeadiately. Even though we have a non-digested emergency "911" list synchronized with the same recipients, they have no desire to use it. If the list members were all set to digest members and the list owner had the capability to force out an individual message immeadiately instead of when the digest ran, they could deal with having most messages go out in a digest. Pipe dream? -- The head of our department periodically sends out email to mailing lists for each of our residence halls on campus. All the lists are set up to hold messages from non-list members. Not being a list member, she can't tell if/when the message has been approved. Is there any way to set up an existing mailman (2.1.5) install to send her acknowledgements of if/when her messages were approved without adding her as a member? -- While more of a SSH issue than a mailman issue, perhaps someone here has run across this issue and can help me out. I would like to set up a cronjob on a remote machine to periodically scp a bunch of files *to* my mailman machine with key based authentication. The key based authentication fails because of the setgid bit on mailman's home directory. I realize I could either 'pull' the files from the remote machine or set up an additional user for the remote scp user to use when scp-ing in, but neither of these solutions is optimal. Is there a better way? Thanks in advance, -Mark -- Mark T. Valites Unix Systems Analyst Computing & Information Technology SUNY Geneseo >--))> >--))> From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Aug 26 17:55:37 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:55:37 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question In-Reply-To: <22AEA4B5411D2142BB8ED0CD25DF2C6121EAD9@fs_admin.mediafamily.org> References: <22AEA4B5411D2142BB8ED0CD25DF2C6121EAD9@fs_admin.mediafamily.org> Message-ID: At 10:01 AM -0500 2004-08-26, Jennifer Gisler wrote: > Is there a way to get rid of the text attachments that get sent out > with every email I (list admin) send out? We do send out html > newsletters on this list, so we do not want to turn off the html option > in the filtering area. If you had searched the Mailman FAQ Wizard at , you should have found the entry at which addresses this issue. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From iane at sussex.ac.uk Thu Aug 26 18:08:01 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:08:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman vs bcc In-Reply-To: <412E01BA.9000702@list.idg.dk> References: <412E01BA.9000702@list.idg.dk> Message-ID: <7DF1AE6F6CF31982867044D1@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> --On Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:28 pm +0200 Jacob Friis Larsen wrote: > Can mailman send mail just as fast as if I send 1 mail to 1000 addresses > in bcc, assuming that the mta accepts 1000? > > Thanks, > Jacob No, but it should be plenty fast enough. And more reliable. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From msapiro at value.net Thu Aug 26 18:12:28 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:12:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] WishList Items (Forced Msg from Digest, Confirm. of Approval) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark T. Valites wrote: >... > >The head of our department periodically sends out email to mailing lists >for each of our residence halls on campus. All the lists are set up to >hold messages from non-list members. Not being a list member, she can't >tell if/when the message has been approved. Is there any way to set up an >existing mailman (2.1.5) install to send her acknowledgements of if/when >her messages were approved without adding her as a member? > Why not either add her as a member with delivery off or add her to the filter of non-members allowed to post? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From raquel at thericehouse.net Thu Aug 26 18:15:09 2004 From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:15:09 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman vs bcc In-Reply-To: <7DF1AE6F6CF31982867044D1@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> References: <412E01BA.9000702@list.idg.dk> <7DF1AE6F6CF31982867044D1@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20040826091509.5ccb2609.raquel@thericehouse.net> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:08:01 +0100 Ian Eiloart wrote: > > > --On Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:28 pm +0200 Jacob Friis Larsen > wrote: > > > Can mailman send mail just as fast as if I send 1 mail to 1000 > > addresses in bcc, assuming that the mta accepts 1000? > > > > Thanks, > > Jacob > > No, but it should be plenty fast enough. And more reliable. > And using Mailman, the people who are getting your emails can stop getting them if they wish. -- Raquel ============================================================ What worries you masters you. --Haddon W. Robinson From valites at geneseo.edu Thu Aug 26 18:17:03 2004 From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] WishList Items (Forced Msg from Digest,Confirm. of Approval) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Why not either add her as a member with delivery off or add her to the > filter of non-members allowed to post? I try to stay out of the visible path of my list moderators. While I'm sure most of them would be receptive to the change, I'm sure some would whine & I'm afraid of the can of worms this could possibly open up - "why not just allow *all* campus members to post to the lists..." Either way, she doesn't get to see that the message was in fact approved. -- Mark T. Valites Unix Systems Analyst Computing & Information Technology SUNY Geneseo >--))> >--))> From jeff at look.net Thu Aug 26 18:27:59 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:27:59 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] WishList Items (Forced Msg from Digest, Confirm. of Approval) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Aug 26, 2004, at 11:56 AM, Mark T. Valites wrote: > The department that is responsible for the list is leary of making all > the > members of the list digest members, in case an important message needs > to > be sent immeadiately. Even though we have a non-digested emergency > "911" > list synchronized with the same recipients, they have no desire to use > it. > If the list members were all set to digest members and the list owner > had > the capability to force out an individual message immeadiately instead > of > when the digest ran, they could deal with having most messages go out > in a > digest. Pipe dream? You _can_ force the digest to go out, if that helps your situation any. Otherwise you're better off using the '911' list. > The head of our department periodically sends out email to mailing > lists > for each of our residence halls on campus. All the lists are set up to > hold messages from non-list members. Not being a list member, she can't > tell if/when the message has been approved. Is there any way to set up > an > existing mailman (2.1.5) install to send her acknowledgements of > if/when > her messages were approved without adding her as a member? Not that I know of. You can try adding her as a member and turn on her 'nomail' and 'ack' flags. That would prevent her from receiving list messages but she would still be ACK'd, I think. Worth a try anyway. > While more of a SSH issue than a mailman issue, perhaps someone here > has > run across this issue and can help me out. I would like to set up a > cronjob on a remote machine to periodically scp a bunch of files *to* > my > mailman machine with key based authentication. The key based > authentication fails because of the setgid bit on mailman's home > directory. I realize I could either 'pull' the files from the remote > machine or set up an additional user for the remote scp user to use > when > scp-ing in, but neither of these solutions is optimal. Is there a > better > way? Of course I'm not sure exactly what you're doing, but I would script it out to where I was pulling the files, checking the integrity (because you never know) and then mv/chown/chmod to the final location (and keep a backup of the old file as well). -Jeff From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Aug 26 17:59:36 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:59:36 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman vs bcc In-Reply-To: <412E01BA.9000702@list.idg.dk> References: <412E01BA.9000702@list.idg.dk> Message-ID: At 5:28 PM +0200 2004-08-26, Jacob Friis Larsen wrote: > Can mailman send mail just as fast as if I send 1 mail to 1000 addresses > in bcc, assuming that the mta accepts 1000? They both use the same method -- one envelope sender address, 1000 envelope recipient addresses, then the body of the message. The only additional performance hit would be the added delay in your sending a message from you to the mailing list and then it sending that message out, as opposed to you sending the message directly. Of course, most MTAs won't accept 1000 recipients, so Mailman would work a lot better in this respect because it would slice up the list of recipients into chunks that are more likely to be accepted by the MTA. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From msapiro at value.net Thu Aug 26 18:38:23 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:38:23 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] WishList Items (Forced Msg from Digest, Confirm.of Approval) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark T. Valites wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> Why not either add her as a member with delivery off or add her to the >> filter of non-members allowed to post? > >I try to stay out of the visible path of my list moderators. While I'm >sure most of them would be receptive to the change, I'm sure some would >whine & I'm afraid of the can of worms this could possibly open up - "why >not just allow *all* campus members to post to the lists..." > >Either way, she doesn't get to see that the message was in fact approved. > If she is subscribed or in the "non-members allowed to post" filter, the message doesn't require approval. If she wants confirmation anyway, she can subscribe and receive messages or set "Receive acknowledgement mail when you send mail to the list?" to "yes". I would encourage her to subscribe and set her options appropriately to accomplish what she wants. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From scott at villinski.com Thu Aug 26 18:42:17 2004 From: scott at villinski.com (Scott C. Villinski) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:42:17 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] reseting the watermark for gate_news Message-ID: <412E12E9.5090909@villinski.com> Is there anyway to reset the watermark for a list? Because of an error I made in the original listserver setup, most of my lists ended up with a really high watermark number - so no new messages on the NNTP server are making it to the lists. Any thoughts? One though I had was to dump the list's configure with dumpdb and then try to reimport it. Thanks! Scott From htian at ias.edu Thu Aug 26 19:14:20 2004 From: htian at ias.edu (Hong Jiang Tian) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:14:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] posters file Message-ID: <9B3CEA6AE680D41190DB00508B0EA5DC02A90EE6@PICO> Hi, I want to add the non-members who can poster for many mail-lists. I can modify each configure file as followings: generic_nonmember_action = 0 accept_these_nonmembers = ['abc at efd.edu', ...] But if there are a lot of non-members (for example several hundreds non-members) needed to add it, is it possible to create a posters file to do it? Thanks. Hong From scott at villinski.com Thu Aug 26 20:50:03 2004 From: scott at villinski.com (Scott C. Villinski) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:50:03 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] reseting the watermark for gate_news In-Reply-To: <412E12E9.5090909@villinski.com> References: <412E12E9.5090909@villinski.com> Message-ID: <412E30DB.1050104@villinski.com> Okay - I was able to make a hack to gate_news to just set all the watermarks to none. Scott C. Villinski wrote: > Is there anyway to reset the watermark for a list? Because of an error > I made in the original listserver setup, most of my lists ended up with > a really high watermark number - so no new messages on the NNTP server > are making it to the lists. > > Any thoughts? One though I had was to dump the list's configure with > dumpdb and then try to reimport it. > > Thanks! > > Scott > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > From scott at villinski.com Thu Aug 26 20:58:41 2004 From: scott at villinski.com (Scott C. Villinski) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:58:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] gate_news not processing all lists Message-ID: <412E32E1.1080300@villinski.com> I'm running mailman 2.1.3, and have a number of lists (111), but when gate_news runs, it only processes 50 of them. If I run list_lists - it shows all of them. In process_list, if I sort the Utils.list_names before processing, I'll end up getting a different set of lists that are processed. Any thoughts of what to look at? Thanks! Scott From shoffman at westervillelibrary.org Thu Aug 26 21:11:13 2004 From: shoffman at westervillelibrary.org (Shane I. Hoffman) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:11:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing format of MM-XXXX-XX field Message-ID: <775B97088511A84894A977307020D63351A66F@wpl-exchange01.wpl.lib.oh.us> I need to adjust the formatting of MM-Roster-Option and some other MM pieces, but I cannot find where to do it. I've searched the web and looked on the mailman site...I probably just overlooked it...but any help would be appreciated. Thanks Shane Ian Hoffman Computer Services Librarian Westerville Public Library Phone: 614-882-7277 xt 114 Fax: 614-882-5962 E-Mail: shoffman at westervillelibrary.org From ysidoro at gmail.com Thu Aug 26 21:21:33 2004 From: ysidoro at gmail.com (Rodolfo Pilas) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:21:33 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] QFILES directory Message-ID: Is there are any document where I can read about the message flux? I have many files at qfiles/in, qfiles/shunt, data/heldmsg, qfiles/archives and I can underestan why or how to avoid stop message flux. Please, let me know about a document to read, thank you. -- Rodolfo Pilas (Ysidoro con 'Y') From msapiro at value.net Thu Aug 26 22:23:14 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:23:14 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disable email commands In-Reply-To: <65211.83.88.201.210.1093507127.squirrel@webmail.linuxtips.dk> Message-ID: Christian Wix quoted and wrote: >>> >>>How do I disable email commands to the list server? >>> >> >> You could always arrange your aliases to discard (or bounce) mail to the >> [listname]-request at your.domain address. This is rather drastic and would >> also mean that certain confirmation requests that come from that address >> could not be "replied to", but would have to be handled via the web >> interfaces, but maybe that's what you want? >> >> If you actually do this, you'd probably also want to edit the various >> templates to remove references to "replying to" the message. >> > >What I really want is: That the list server should not be managed in any >matter by anyone but me. The users should only recieve "special" mails >from the list server if they post someting illigal. I add users by command >line. Passwords should not be something to warry about. > >If I use procmail to drop all mail to *-request at my.domain whould that do it? > It might, but you might also want to drop mail to the -join, -leave, -subscribe and -unsubscribe addreses. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From maillists at conactive.com Thu Aug 26 22:47:57 2004 From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:47:57 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with https:// admin interface URL Message-ID: We use only https:// for web interface access and in the past I changed the URL_PATTERN in mm_cfg.py and everything was fine. That worked until 2.1.5 RC1. Now I have set up a fresh 2.1.5 on a new machine and can't make it to work there. Either I overlook something very obvious or 2.1.5 ignores the URL_PATTERN partly. All URLs within the admin page for the mailman list point to http instead of https and the URLs on the login page also point to http except for one: the "overview of all mailing lists" page. From that observation I assume the problem is directly associated with the list and not with the overall config. So I dumped the list configuration, but couldn't find anything related. How do I fix this behavior? Kai -- Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org From msapiro at value.net Thu Aug 26 23:11:29 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:11:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with https:// admin interface URL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kai Schaetzl wrote: >We use only https:// for web interface access and in the past I changed >the URL_PATTERN in mm_cfg.py and everything was fine. That worked until >2.1.5 RC1. Now I have set up a fresh 2.1.5 on a new machine and can't make >it to work there. Either I overlook something very obvious or 2.1.5 >ignores the URL_PATTERN partly. >All URLs within the admin page for the mailman list point to http instead >of https and the URLs on the login page also point to http except for one: >the "overview of all mailing lists" page. From that observation I assume >the problem is directly associated with the list and not with the overall >config. So I dumped the list configuration, but couldn't find anything >related. > >How do I fix this behavior? > Did the lists exist when you set up mm_cfg.py? If so did you run fix_url.py? Visit the FAQ wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and search for https for more information. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From macblaze at mac.com Thu Aug 26 23:52:55 2004 From: macblaze at mac.com (macblaze) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:52:55 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No address associated with nodename Message-ID: Hello all... I'm just in the process of testing our new OS X G5 Server before bringing it online. I've got some very basic questions as I am new to all of this cmd line stuff. Server's name: XBrain IP: 192.168.1.4 Domain: HOLES internet domain: holesonline.com I am trying to set up Mailman to test it out and am getting no mail and the following messages: Delivery failure Log: delivery to test-owner at HOLESONLINE.COM failed with code -1 Delivery Log: Aug 26 15:40:16 2004 (19871) All recipients refused: (7, 'No address associated with nodename') Aug 26 15:40:16 2004 (19871) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.025 seconds I've edited the mm_cfg.py file to include: MTA = 'Postfix' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = '192.168.1.4' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'SERVER.HOLESONLINE.COM' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) and also tried as the email host. Right now the MX records for holesonline.com resolve to an external mail server and I suspect that is the issue here. In the mailing list I have bruce at holesonline.com and bruce @192.168.1.4 as member and both can receive mail from OS X's Postfix server. I need to get a clearer idea of where to edit the config to allow mail to go out... Any suggestions or resources I should check? ( I checked the FAQs but they seem to be more pertinent to Sendmail and I'm too much of a newbie to be able to do it without instructions...) Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Timothy Keith Publishing & Communications 780-419-6816 "Once more unto the breach dear friends..." _____________________ Hole's 101 Bellerose Drive St.Albert, Alberta Canada T8N 8N8 http://www.holesonline.com http://www.enjoygardening.com --------------------- From jnagyjr at joseph-a-nagy-jr.us Fri Aug 27 00:10:05 2004 From: jnagyjr at joseph-a-nagy-jr.us (Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:10:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sorry for the test Message-ID: <20040826221005.GC5679@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> I just switched email addy's and need to make sure it took. -- AIM: pres CTHULHU | ICQ: 18115568 | Yahoo: pagan_prince Jabber: DarkKnightRadick@(jabber.org|amessage.at) | Libertarian @ Large PGP: 0x642F7BDA | < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tennesseans-for-badnarik/ > < http://mc-luug.homelinux.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-luug > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040826/b2ac5873/attachment.pgp From jp_mailman at gcfl.net Fri Aug 27 00:14:25 2004 From: jp_mailman at gcfl.net (John Price) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:14:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rogue address in mailing list Message-ID: <20040826221425.GA12911@gcfl.net> I'm running Mailman 2.1.5 on Gentoo. My list had about 60K members. I have this rogue email address that is half subscribed and half not. When I try to list the address with list_members, I get an error (shown below), but if I try to remove the address with remove_members, it says the address is not a member of the list! This is also affecting posting to the list (the emails get put in the shunt dir and I've included the error from the error log file below). How can I use withlist or some other way to remove this member completely (I don't know much about Python, so please be explicit)? Also, is there a patch to fix this? Thx, John * error log file * Aug 26 16:56:55 2004 (7137) Uncaught runner exception: member-name at Productivity.com Aug 26 16:56:55 2004 (7137) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CalcRecips.py", line 74, in process recips = [mlist.getMemberCPAddress(m) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 139, in getDeliveryStatus self.__assertIsMember(member) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 113, in __assertIsMember raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member NotAMemberError: member-name at Productivity.com * Running list_members * # /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members -n bybounce mylistname Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members", line 286, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members", line 262, in main if nomail and not whymatches(mlist, addr, why): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members", line 138, in whymatches status = mlist.getDeliveryStatus(addr) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 139, in getDeliveryStatus self.__assertIsMember(member) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 113, in __assertIsMember raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: member-name at Productivity.com * Running remove_members * # /usr/local/mailman/bin/remove_members mylistname member-name at Productivity.com No such member: member-name at Productivity.com -- If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. Have a great day and don't forget to laugh! http://www.gcfl.net (The Good, Clean Funnies List): Good, clean daily funnies you can safely tell your mom! From kclair at serve.com Fri Aug 27 00:05:52 2004 From: kclair at serve.com (K. Clair) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:05:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] running newlist from a perl script Message-ID: <20040826220552.GJ16727@karl.serve.com> Hello, I'm trying to run the newlist command from a perl script that is suid to root (real userid is 504 and effective userid is 0), and I'm getting the following error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist",line 219, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 160, in main mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 454, in Create self._full_path = Site.get_listpath(name, create=1) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Site.py", line 65, in get_listpath _makedir(path) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Site.py", line 40, in _makedir os.makedirs(path, 02775) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/os.py", line 203, in makedirs mkdir(name, mode) OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/mmtest' The group mailman exists on the server where the cgi is running, and the user mailman is a member of that group. The permissions of the directory are: drwxrwsr-x 6 user mailman 4096 Aug 26 2004 /home/mailman/lists Has anyone tried to do anything like this and gotten it to work? I'm wondering if it is actually a problem with the perl script running in taint mode so then it's not running the newlist program as setgid. Thanks, Kristina From maillists at conactive.com Fri Aug 27 00:32:39 2004 From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:32:39 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with https:// admin interface URL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark Sapiro wrote on Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:11:29 -0700: > Did the lists exist when you set up mm_cfg.py? Yes, I always create mailman as the first list, usually I don't log in, but make my changes to mm_cgf.py and then add other lists from a template. I suppose that's why I never noticed the https change didn't propagate to that list. Or I did the changes to mm_cfg.py before creating the mailman list. > If so did you run > fix_url.py? No, I used it previously for fixing hostnames on lists moved from one machine to another, but I didn't know it can be used for changes to the url protocol as well. > > Visit the FAQ wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and > search for https for more information. > Yes, it's there, sorry for the unnecessary question. It wasn't quite clear to me that mm_cfg.py changes are only for new lists. I suggest adding something about that to the comments in mm_cfg.py. Many thanks for the quick help! Kai -- Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Aug 27 00:16:12 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:16:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No address associated with nodename In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:52 PM -0600 2004-08-26, macblaze wrote: > Delivery Log: > Aug 26 15:40:16 2004 (19871) All recipients refused: (7, 'No address > associated with nodename') > Aug 26 15:40:16 2004 (19871) > smtp for 1 recips, > completed in 0.025 seconds This is the Mailman log. What is in the MTA log? As for the rest, I suggest starting with and . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jwblist at olympus.net Fri Aug 27 01:14:15 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:14:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with https:// admin interface URL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/26/2004 15:32, "Kai Schaetzl" wrote: > Yes, it's there, sorry for the unnecessary question. It wasn't quite clear > to me that mm_cfg.py changes are only for new lists. I suggest adding > something about that to the comments in mm_cfg.py. It's not that simple. SOME of the things you can put into mm_cfg.py apply only to new lists. The needed comments are the the Defaults.py file where everything that isn't overridden by mm_cfg.py resides. ---John From nyland23 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 27 07:36:50 2004 From: nyland23 at yahoo.com (Jared Nyland) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040827053650.99168.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Adam The --wipe command did the trick Thanks for the help Jared --- Adam Steer wrote: > If check_perms works fine, then look at permissions > where your mbox > files live. > > If they're all good, then try using the '--wipe' > option when rebuilding > archives: > > /[path.to]/mailman/bin/arch --wipe [list] > /[path.to]/mailman/archives/private/[list].mbox/[list].mbox > > ...a bit of a clean up before reinstating archives > was necessary last > time we moved MM around. > > cheers > .a > > > > -- > Adam Steer > Web publishing officer > Australian Library and Information Association > adam.steer at alia.org.au http://alia.org.au > +61 2 6215 8234 > > >>> Mark Sapiro - 25/8/04 1:13 > PM >>> > Jared Nyland wrote: > > >In trouble shooting this issue a little bit more. > It > >looks like the lists that I had to move from one > >server to another the archives are not working > >correctly. If I create a new list on the new > server > >everything seems to work just fine. > > > >Is there a step I forgot when migrating lists over > to > >a new server for archives to work? > > > > Maybe. > > Have you tried running bin/check_perms ? > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is > for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use > your sense - B. Dylan > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jp_mailman at gcfl.net Fri Aug 27 08:06:57 2004 From: jp_mailman at gcfl.net (John Price) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:06:57 -0500 Subject: *solved* Re: [Mailman-Users] Rogue address in mailing list In-Reply-To: <20040826221425.GA12911@gcfl.net> References: <20040826221425.GA12911@gcfl.net> Message-ID: <20040827060657.GA26841@gcfl.net> After beating my head on various keyboards and walls, and doing a fair about of cursing, I finally found the problem! Turns out somehow the non-lowercase email address member-name at Productivity.com (notice the capital 'P') managed to get into the supposed-to-be-only-lowercase database. I don't know how, but I leave that as an exercise for the developers. :) The way I fixed it was I temporarily commented out the "member.lower()" call in OldStyleMemberships.py in the remove member function, removed the address, then undid my changes. I'm sure there's an easier way but like I said before, I don't know jack about Python. If anyone has any suggestions as to how I can keep this from happening again, I'd like to hear them. Later, John On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 05:14:25PM -0500, John Price wrote: > I'm running Mailman 2.1.5 on Gentoo. My list had about > 60K members. > > I have this rogue email address that is half subscribed and > half not. > > When I try to list the address with list_members, I get > an error (shown below), but if I try to remove the > address with remove_members, it says the address is not a > member of the list! > > This is also affecting posting to the list (the emails get > put in the shunt dir and I've included the error from the > error log file below). > > How can I use withlist or some other way to remove this > member completely (I don't know much about Python, so > please be explicit)? Also, is there a patch to fix this? > > Thx, > John > > > * error log file * > Aug 26 16:56:55 2004 (7137) Uncaught runner exception: member-name at Productivity.com > Aug 26 16:56:55 2004 (7137) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose > more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline > sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CalcRecips.py", line 74, in process > recips = [mlist.getMemberCPAddress(m) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 139, in getDeliveryStatus > self.__assertIsMember(member) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 113, in __assertIsMember > raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member > NotAMemberError: member-name at Productivity.com > > * Running list_members * > # /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members -n bybounce mylistname > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members", line 286, in ? > main() > File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members", line 262, in main > if nomail and not whymatches(mlist, addr, why): > File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members", line 138, in whymatches > status = mlist.getDeliveryStatus(addr) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 139, in getDeliveryStatus > self.__assertIsMember(member) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 113, in __assertIsMember > raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member > Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: member-name at Productivity.com > > * Running remove_members * > # /usr/local/mailman/bin/remove_members mylistname member-name at Productivity.com > No such member: member-name at Productivity.com > > > -- > If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. > > Have a great day and don't forget to laugh! > > http://www.gcfl.net (The Good, Clean Funnies List): Good, > clean daily funnies you can safely tell your mom! > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > -- Experience is the sinking feeling you have made this mistake before. Have a great day and don't forget to laugh! http://www.gcfl.net (The Good, Clean Funnies List): Good, clean daily funnies you can safely tell your mom! From jwt at onjapan.net Fri Aug 27 11:48:30 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:48:30 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] posters file In-Reply-To: <9B3CEA6AE680D41190DB00508B0EA5DC02A90EE6@PICO> References: <9B3CEA6AE680D41190DB00508B0EA5DC02A90EE6@PICO> Message-ID: <40CFE52C-F80E-11D8-AC78-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Aug 27, 2004, at 02:14, Hong Jiang Tian wrote: > But if there are a lot of non-members (for example several hundreds > non-members) needed to add it, is it possible to create a posters file > to do > it? Not through the web interface. (If you have shell access, you can use bin/withlist to set the accept_these_nonmembers variable to the python list of desired addresses directly for your list(s).) -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jfl at list.idg.dk Fri Aug 27 14:07:24 2004 From: jfl at list.idg.dk (Jacob Friis Larsen) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:07:24 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Make sure that only our newsletter can be delivered to a mailing-list that is not moderated Message-ID: <412F23FC.3020203@list.idg.dk> We will use Mailman to send our newsletter. This newsletter will be sent from the same server every time. The mailing-list will not be moderated, as the newsletter will be sent automatically by a script, sometimes in the weekend where no staff is at work. How can we secure our list server? -- Best regards, Jacob Friis Larsen www.webcom.dk | www.journster.com From iane at sussex.ac.uk Fri Aug 27 14:26:18 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:26:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Make sure that only our newsletter can be delivered to a mailing-list that is not moderated In-Reply-To: <412F23FC.3020203@list.idg.dk> References: <412F23FC.3020203@list.idg.dk> Message-ID: <80FA996A5BC1FE5F60E2EADF@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> --On Friday, August 27, 2004 2:07 pm +0200 Jacob Friis Larsen wrote: > We will use Mailman to send our newsletter. > This newsletter will be sent from the same server every time. > The mailing-list will not be moderated, as the newsletter will be sent > automatically by a script, sometimes in the weekend where no staff is at > work. > > How can we secure our list server? Just add all the necessary addresses to the list of addresses that are allowed to post to the list. Moderate all other senders. -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From maillists at conactive.com Fri Aug 27 14:31:20 2004 From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:31:20 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with https:// admin interface URL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John W. Baxter wrote on Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:14:15 -0700: > It's not that simple. SOME of the things you can put into mm_cfg.py apply > only to new lists. You mean NOT only? That's exactly what makes it so confusing, the overall changes which apply to all lists change immediately, the others don't. However, if I dump a list configuration it's not there either. So, where is it? Is it in the pickle file, but not dumped? The needed comments are the the Defaults.py file where > everything that isn't overridden by mm_cfg.py resides. No, there aren't any comments regarding this. Also, Default.py isn't really a good place to put this in. > # NEVER make site configuration changes to this file. ALWAYS make them in > # mm_cfg.py instead, in the designated area. See the comments in that file > # for details. > Adding to mm_cg.py something like "Be aware that some of the settings will only apply to new lists. If you want to change them for existing lists as well you need to run a withlist command, f.i. "bin/withlist fix-url listname" Check the FAQ at ... for details." would be quite helpful, imho. And if it avoids more questions like mine the better. Besides that, I don't know how many different "fix" files to propagate changes to existing lists are there, but wouldn't it make sense to offer a programm "fix_all listname" and also "fix_all "? Kai -- Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org From jfl at list.idg.dk Fri Aug 27 14:26:53 2004 From: jfl at list.idg.dk (Jacob Friis Larsen) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:26:53 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman inject Message-ID: <412F288D.2010303@list.idg.dk> Where can I find more information about how to use Mailmans inject command, and info about what queues are available and what they do? -- Best regards, Jacob Friis Larsen www.webcom.dk | www.journster.com From jfl at list.idg.dk Fri Aug 27 14:40:15 2004 From: jfl at list.idg.dk (Jacob Friis Larsen) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:40:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Make sure that only our newsletter can be delivered to a mailing-list that is not moderated In-Reply-To: <80FA996A5BC1FE5F60E2EADF@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> References: <412F23FC.3020203@list.idg.dk> <80FA996A5BC1FE5F60E2EADF@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> Message-ID: <412F2BAF.6000207@list.idg.dk> >> We will use Mailman to send our newsletter. >> This newsletter will be sent from the same server every time. >> The mailing-list will not be moderated, as the newsletter will be sent >> automatically by a script, sometimes in the weekend where no staff is at >> work. >> >> How can we secure our list server? > > Just add all the necessary addresses to the list of addresses that are > allowed to post to the list. Moderate all other senders. Wouldn't it be too easy for someone to change their sender address and get their spam out to our customers? Thanks, Jacob From jwt at onjapan.net Fri Aug 27 15:01:59 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:01:59 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing format of MM-XXXX-XX field In-Reply-To: <775B97088511A84894A977307020D63351A66F@wpl-exchange01.wpl.lib.oh.us> References: <775B97088511A84894A977307020D63351A66F@wpl-exchange01.wpl.lib.oh.us> Message-ID: <483CAE4E-F829-11D8-A534-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net> On Aug 27, 2004, at 04:11, Shane I. Hoffman wrote: > I need to adjust the formatting of MM-Roster-Option and some other MM > pieces, but I cannot find where to do it. The text that replaces that is built in Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py FormatRosterOptionForUser() and RosterOption() -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From heiner at kflog.org Fri Aug 27 15:18:27 2004 From: heiner at kflog.org (Heiner Lamprecht) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:18:27 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Make sure that only our newsletter can =?iso-8859-1?q?be=09delivered_to_a_mailing-list_that_is_not?= moderated In-Reply-To: <412F2BAF.6000207@list.idg.dk> References: <412F23FC.3020203@list.idg.dk> <80FA996A5BC1FE5F60E2EADF@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> <412F2BAF.6000207@list.idg.dk> Message-ID: <200408271518.27959.heiner@kflog.org> On Friday 27 August 2004 14:40, Jacob Friis Larsen wrote: > > Wouldn't it be too easy for someone to change their sender > address and get their spam out to our customers? You mentioned, the newsletter will be sent by a script. Could it be an option to extend the script a bit? F.e. you can add the senderadress to MM and remove it afterwards? Or use a dynamic senderadress, only valid for one posting? Just an idea. Heiner -- heiner at kflog dot org GnuPG - Key: E05AEAFC Fingerprint: 257A DFBF 4977 4585 77A0 3509 973B 92AA E05A EAFC From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Aug 27 15:01:25 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:01:25 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Make sure that only our newsletter can be delivered to a mailing-list that is not moderated In-Reply-To: <412F2BAF.6000207@list.idg.dk> References: <412F23FC.3020203@list.idg.dk> <80FA996A5BC1FE5F60E2EADF@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> <412F2BAF.6000207@list.idg.dk> Message-ID: At 2:40 PM +0200 2004-08-27, Jacob Friis Larsen wrote: >>> How can we secure our list server? >> >> Just add all the necessary addresses to the list of addresses that >> are allowed to post to the list. Moderate all other senders. > > Wouldn't it be too easy for someone to change their sender address and > get their spam out to our customers? That would be a very real risk. One thing you could do is make the Mailman server sit behind a firewall, and accept incoming connections only from your local network. This would mean that someone would have to be able to get access to one of your internal machines in order to send out stuff as your process, in addition to spoofing the address. You could even go so far as to set it up so that it only listens to the 127.0.0.1 IP address, which means that all traffic would have to be generated locally on the machine itself, and it wouldn't accept traffic from any other system, even if it was on the same network. Regretfully, when it comes to security, what Mailman provides is relatively minimal. It will validate the sending address, but it can't prevent anyone from spoofing it, etc.... With luck, we might be able to address this in Mailman3, and make it capable of using strong cryptographic checks for things like this. But that day is not here yet, and it may be a very long time in coming. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From theall at tifaware.com Fri Aug 27 15:59:40 2004 From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:59:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Make sure that only our newsletter can be delivered to a mailing-list that is not moderated In-Reply-To: <412F2BAF.6000207@list.idg.dk> References: <412F23FC.3020203@list.idg.dk> <80FA996A5BC1FE5F60E2EADF@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> <412F2BAF.6000207@list.idg.dk> Message-ID: <20040827135940.GA11210@tifaware.com> On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 02:40:15PM +0200, Jacob Friis Larsen wrote: > Wouldn't it be too easy for someone to change their sender address and > get their spam out to our customers? Configure the list to be moderated and alter your script so it includes the moderation password in a header line. George -- theall at tifaware.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040827/f108cdb3/attachment.pgp From jfl at list.idg.dk Fri Aug 27 16:32:18 2004 From: jfl at list.idg.dk (Jacob Friis Larsen) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:32:18 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Make sure that only our newsletter can be delivered to a mailing-list that is not moderated In-Reply-To: References: <412F23FC.3020203@list.idg.dk> <80FA996A5BC1FE5F60E2EADF@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> <412F2BAF.6000207@list.idg.dk> Message-ID: <412F45F2.5010402@list.idg.dk> >>>> How can we secure our list server? > That would be a very real risk. One thing you could do is make the > Mailman server sit behind a firewall, and accept incoming connections > only from your local network. This would mean that someone would have > to be able to get access to one of your internal machines in order to > send out stuff as your process, in addition to spoofing the address. And if users need access to the -request address I could route them from another server. Or couldn't I just disable the list address and let the script post newsletters via inject? Best regards, Jacob From jfl at list.idg.dk Fri Aug 27 16:34:10 2004 From: jfl at list.idg.dk (Jacob Friis Larsen) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:34:10 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Make sure that only our newsletter can be delivered to a mailing-list that is not moderated In-Reply-To: <20040827135940.GA11210@tifaware.com> References: <412F23FC.3020203@list.idg.dk> <80FA996A5BC1FE5F60E2EADF@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> <412F2BAF.6000207@list.idg.dk> <20040827135940.GA11210@tifaware.com> Message-ID: <412F4662.8040506@list.idg.dk> >>Wouldn't it be too easy for someone to change their sender address and >>get their spam out to our customers? > > Configure the list to be moderated and alter your script so it includes > the moderation password in a header line. Interesting. Should the moderator password be in the mail header? Thanks, Jacob From theall at tifaware.com Fri Aug 27 16:44:08 2004 From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:44:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Make sure that only our newsletter can be delivered to a mailing-list that is not moderated In-Reply-To: <412F4662.8040506@list.idg.dk> References: <412F23FC.3020203@list.idg.dk> <80FA996A5BC1FE5F60E2EADF@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> <412F2BAF.6000207@list.idg.dk> <20040827135940.GA11210@tifaware.com> <412F4662.8040506@list.idg.dk> Message-ID: <20040827144408.GB20627@tifaware.com> On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 04:34:10PM +0200, Jacob Friis Larsen wrote: > Should the moderator password be in the mail header? Yes, in a header labelled "Approved". [This can also appear as the first line in the message body.] Mailman will remove the header (line) and automatically send out the message. See . George -- theall at tifaware.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040827/fcddf0e4/attachment.pgp From scott at villinski.com Fri Aug 27 17:52:39 2004 From: scott at villinski.com (Scott C. Villinski) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:52:39 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] gate_news not processing all lists In-Reply-To: <412E32E1.1080300@villinski.com> References: <412E32E1.1080300@villinski.com> Message-ID: <412F58C7.6030303@villinski.com> Scott C. Villinski wrote: > I'm running mailman 2.1.3, and have a number of lists (111), but when > gate_news runs, it only processes 50 of them. If I run list_lists - it > shows all of them. In process_list, if I sort the Utils.list_names > before processing, I'll end up getting a different set of lists that are > processed. Any thoughts of what to look at? > > Thanks! > > Scott Well - I was able to figure it out. With out diving into the actual gate_news script too much, it seems that whenever it would hit a list that didn't have the actual newsgroup created - it would bomb out. Once I figured that out - it's all working fine now. Scott From jwblist at olympus.net Fri Aug 27 18:19:26 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:19:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with https:// admin interface URL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/27/2004 5:31, "Kai Schaetzl" wrote: >> It's not that simple. SOME of the things you can put into mm_cfg.py apply >> only to new lists. > > You mean NOT only? That's exactly what makes it so confusing, the overall > changes which apply to all lists change immediately, the others don't. > However, if I dump a list configuration it's not there either. So, where is > it? Is it in the pickle file, but not dumped? Well, what I said works either with or without the NOT...some values are in the only for new lists category; some aren't. It does take a while to get used to the paradigm...but what is gained is the ability to update to a newer Mailman without losing your local values (for both the only-applies-to-new-lists things and the others). The dumpdb program isn't smart enough to censor things...if it doesn't show up, it's not in the list's file. > No, there aren't any comments regarding this. Also, Default.py isn't really a > good place to put this in. > >> # NEVER make site configuration changes to this file. ALWAYS make them in >> # mm_cfg.py instead, in the designated area. See the comments in that file >> # for details. I didn't say to put anything into Defaults.py. But you often want to look there, since that is where the variables are found, with comments, which you can copy into mm_cfg.py for modification. (I always copy the comment along with the varible name.) Sample comments from Defaults.py: ##### # General system-wide defaults ##### ##### # Virtual domains ##### # Set up your virtual host mappings here. [several skipped] ##### # List defaults. NOTE: Changing these values does NOT change the # configuration of an existing list. It only defines the default for new # lists you subsequently create. ##### So...you would look in this section for the values which affect only new lists. And more... ##### # Digestification defaults. Same caveat applies here as with list defaults. ##### And more ##### # Bounce processing defaults. Same caveat applies here as with list defaults. ##### And the a couple more without the "Same caveat" note, and then a section you should clearly leave alone (although it can be very useful as a reference). From rxweb+ at pitt.edu Fri Aug 27 18:30:27 2004 From: rxweb+ at pitt.edu (Thomas Waters) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:30:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail to new list not accepted Message-ID: <67A0534F-F846-11D8-9738-000A95AE8AF2@pitt.edu> I've added several new lists and mail to those lists are generating "recipient not recognized by server error : Diagnostic code: smtp;550 : User unknown in local recipient table. How to I repair this? -- Thomas Waters Director of Information and Communication Services University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy 412-383-7471 rxweb+ at pitt.edu http://www.pharmacy.pitt.edu From msapiro at value.net Fri Aug 27 18:52:17 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:52:17 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail to new list not accepted In-Reply-To: <67A0534F-F846-11D8-9738-000A95AE8AF2@pitt.edu> Message-ID: Thomas Waters wrote: >I've added several new lists and mail to those lists are generating >"recipient not recognized by server error : Diagnostic code: smtp;550 >: User unknown in local recipient table. How >to I repair this? > You may not have set up aliases for the new lists. Visit the FAQ wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and read article 1.7 for more information. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mefistos at hotmail.com Fri Aug 27 19:25:58 2004 From: mefistos at hotmail.com (C. P.) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:25:58 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cloning lists Message-ID: Hello: Is there a way to clone the configuration of a list, without the members? Carlos Pantelides _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From bandj1 at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 25 03:02:51 2004 From: bandj1 at bellsouth.net (bryan) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:02:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman fedora core 1 Message-ID: <00dd01c48a3f$5b047cd0$0500a8c0@bryan> Hey i got it up and running but i accidently have the email address that shows up for everything as XXX at www.mydomain.com, how do i get mailman to take out the www part and just use xxx at mydomain.com I changed it in the mm_cfg.py file, and restarted httpd and mailman and it didnt fix it. Any ideas? Thanks, Bryan From drogers at fhcrc.org Thu Aug 26 01:25:33 2004 From: drogers at fhcrc.org (Rogers, David W) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:25:33 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam filtering without intervention - is it possible? Message-ID: <9667A0D2033CD51195F90002B330A3BF0B2EAA9C@MOE.FHCRC.ORG> I would like to eliminate my getting this email when someone sends a "spam" message to my list: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: hutchdotnet at lists.fhcrc.org From: drogers at fhcrc.org Subject: This is a test of the Out of Office AutoReply: spam filter Reason: Message has a suspicious header At your convenience, visit: http://lists.fhcrc.org/mailman/admindb/hutchdotnet to approve or deny the request. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ Is it possible? I would really like these to be auto_discards. Thanks, David David Rogers Programming Manager Collaborative Data Services (CDS) Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center 1100 Fairview Avenue North - MP-647 Seattle, WA 98109-1024 Phone: 206-667-7089 Fax: 206-667-7864 Email: drogers at fhcrc.org From mike at dehart.net Fri Aug 27 00:37:14 2004 From: mike at dehart.net (Mike) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:37:14 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wondering how long to send messages In-Reply-To: <20040826220552.GJ16727@karl.serve.com> Message-ID: <001801c48bbd$3ca45920$9801a8c0@pecva.org> A newbie question here... Wondering if anyone has a sense how long a message takes to send before I can make changes to the membership list. The concern is if I make changes to the subscriber list too quickly (remove them), then those folks may not get the message. I'd presume it has to do with how big the list is, but does anyone have a sense of whether the server is tied up for more than a minute or two sending? Thanks.... m -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of K. Clair Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 6:06 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] running newlist from a perl script Hello, I'm trying to run the newlist command from a perl script that is suid to root (real userid is 504 and effective userid is 0), and I'm getting the following error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist",line 219, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 160, in main mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 454, in Create self._full_path = Site.get_listpath(name, create=1) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Site.py", line 65, in get_listpath _makedir(path) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Site.py", line 40, in _makedir os.makedirs(path, 02775) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/os.py", line 203, in makedirs mkdir(name, mode) OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/mmtest' The group mailman exists on the server where the cgi is running, and the user mailman is a member of that group. The permissions of the directory are: drwxrwsr-x 6 user mailman 4096 Aug 26 2004 /home/mailman/lists Has anyone tried to do anything like this and gotten it to work? I'm wondering if it is actually a problem with the perl script running in taint mode so then it's not running the newlist program as setgid. Thanks, Kristina ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From info at handicapper.net Fri Aug 27 06:14:47 2004 From: info at handicapper.net (Handicapper.net) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:14:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Question about MailMan Message-ID: <003c01c48bec$64543740$8600a8c0@EDDIE> Hello, I have an opt-in mailing list of about 7,500 readers. I need to send e-mails at least weekly and sometimes daily, on occassion more than one in a day. Is there a way your service can help me? How long does it usually take to deliver this number of e-mails? Can can I be assured that the mailing list is kept private? How can users be added and removed? Cordially, Edward From info at bayoubhangra.com Wed Aug 25 19:50:32 2004 From: info at bayoubhangra.com (Bayou Bhangra) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:50:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email problems Message-ID: <0ab101c48acc$0527ea80$220110ac@rkstudio> I sent an email yesterday using your program, our host is advancednetworkinghosting.com and we had some serious issues. Normally, when we send a mail to our list, bayoubhangra at bayoubhangra.com, the only address we can send it from is info at bayoubhangra.com, but instead, anyone that responsed to bayoubhangra at bayoubhangra.com, their email went out to the entire list. What went wrong? From Rory_Savage.consultant at peoplesoft.com Wed Aug 25 22:06:22 2004 From: Rory_Savage.consultant at peoplesoft.com (Rory_Savage.consultant at peoplesoft.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:06:22 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forwarding Issue Message-ID: I got a small question. I have a Mailman list server that I've setup to collect root mail message. If on a remote machine I issue the command "echo Test | mail info at machinename" it goes the list correctly. I have info at machinename in my .forward file in root's home directory on the remote machine, however, it appears that the mail is not posting because of the "To:" address still says "root at remotemachine". Is there a way around this in mailman? -- Rory Savage, DSI Systems Administrator Product & Technology PeopleSoft Inc. 14045 Ballantyne Corporate Place Suite 101 Charlotte, NC 28277 Email: rory_savage at peoplesoft.com Phone: 704.401.1104 Fax: 704.401.1240 From cjtucker12 at comcast.net Fri Aug 27 21:13:26 2004 From: cjtucker12 at comcast.net (Cameron Tuckerman) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:13:26 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] i need help Message-ID: <009101c48c69$ef75b560$6500a8c0@12century> i can't remember the password to one of my mailing lists. I would create a new one but not only is there over 2,000 people on the list, we need to use that email addres (the one that the mailing list is setup to use). if there is any hope (or if there is'nt) please email me at cjtucker12 at comcast.net. I await for email. "Its always SUICIDE MISSION this, or SAVE THE WORLD that. No one just stops by to say hi anymore!" -Col. Jack O'Neill From msapiro at value.net Fri Aug 27 22:23:51 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:23:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] i need help In-Reply-To: <009101c48c69$ef75b560$6500a8c0@12century> Message-ID: Cameron Tuckerman wrote: >i can't remember the password to one of my mailing lists. I would create a >new one but not only is there over 2,000 people on the list, we need to use >that email addres (the one that the mailing list is setup to use). if there >is any hope (or if there is'nt) please email me at cjtucker12 at comcast.net. I >await for email. Use the site password. If you don't remember that, use $prefix/bin/mmsitepass to set it. If you are not the site administrator, contact her/him. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Aug 27 22:39:35 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:39:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forwarding Issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rory_Savage wrote: > >I got a small question. I have a Mailman list server that I've setup to >collect root mail message. If on a remote machine I issue the command >"echo Test | mail info at machinename" it goes the list correctly. I have >info at machinename in my .forward file in root's home directory on the remote >machine, however, it appears that the mail is not posting because of the >"To:" address still says "root at remotemachine". Is there a way around this >in mailman? > Go to the list admin pages and select Privacy options...->Recipient filters and either set require_explicit_destination to "no" or add root at remotemachine to acceptable_aliases. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Aug 27 22:44:06 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:44:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email problems In-Reply-To: <0ab101c48acc$0527ea80$220110ac@rkstudio> Message-ID: Bayou Bhangra wrote: >I sent an email yesterday using your program, our host is advancednetworkinghosting.com and we had some serious issues. Normally, when we send a mail to our list, bayoubhangra at bayoubhangra.com, the only address we can send it from is info at bayoubhangra.com, but instead, anyone that responsed to bayoubhangra at bayoubhangra.com, their email went out to the entire list. What went wrong? Visit the FAQ wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and read article 3.11 to see how such a list is set up. Then look at your list's settings to see what's different. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Aug 27 22:50:22 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:50:22 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Question about MailMan In-Reply-To: <003c01c48bec$64543740$8600a8c0@EDDIE> Message-ID: Handicapper.net wrote: > >I have an opt-in mailing list of about 7,500 readers. I need to send e-mails at least weekly and sometimes daily, on occassion more than one in a day. > >Is there a way your service can help me? > >How long does it usually take to deliver this number of e-mails? > >Can can I be assured that the mailing list is kept private? > >How can users be added and removed? Visit the FAQ wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and read article 1.17 for a pointer to places that offer Mailmain list hosting. Other FAQ articles may help with your other questions. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Aug 27 22:54:34 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:54:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam filtering without intervention - is itpossible? In-Reply-To: <9667A0D2033CD51195F90002B330A3BF0B2EAA9C@MOE.FHCRC.ORG> Message-ID: Rogers, David W wrote: >I would like to eliminate my getting this email when someone sends a "spam" >message to my list: > > >Is it possible? I would really like these to be auto_discards. > Go to the list admin pages and select Privacy options...->Spam filters and set action to discard. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Aug 27 22:57:44 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:57:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman fedora core 1 In-Reply-To: <00dd01c48a3f$5b047cd0$0500a8c0@bryan> Message-ID: bryan wrote: >Hey i got it up and running but i accidently have the email address that shows up for everything as XXX at www.mydomain.com, how do i get mailman to take out the www part and just use xxx at mydomain.com >I changed it in the mm_cfg.py file, and restarted httpd and mailman and it didnt fix it. >Any ideas? Visit the FAQ wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and read article 4.53 -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Aug 27 23:14:02 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:14:02 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cloning lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: C. P. wrote: > >Is there a way to clone the configuration of a list, without the members? > The post in the archives at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-July/038053.html might help. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From lists at viplist.us Fri Aug 27 23:51:48 2004 From: lists at viplist.us (Lloyd Tennison) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:51:48 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shunting - Where Did they Go? Message-ID: I had a problem and my MTA restart itself automatically. Mailman threw the following error:(SMTP log) Aug 27 04:38:41 2004 (26555) All recipients refused: please run connect() first Aug 27 04:38:41 2004 (26555) All recipients refused: please run connect() first Aug 27 04:38:41 2004 (26555) All recipients refused: please run connect() first For the remainder of the list - about 20,000 emails. I saw files (about six) in the shunt folder. I waited a couple of hours since I thought Mailman would retry (I also stopped and started Mailman) but to no avail. I saw the "unshunt" command and ran it. No errors and it removbed the files from the shunt queue - but then nothing happened again. No pick up wgere left off, no nothing. Tried restarting, even recompiling and restarting, but no difference. Since I am assuming they are gone and the only way to recover if to extract sent ones from the log file - what do I do if this ever happens again? From mlm at kaibren.com Sat Aug 28 00:04:38 2004 From: mlm at kaibren.com (MLM Subscriber) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:04:38 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 notification of "pending approval requests" is delayed when list in emergency moderation mode. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040827172026.0332cd70@localhost> There is "new behavior" in 2.1.5 re. emergency moderation. If an "un-moderated" member posts a message during emergency moderation, no immediate message is sent to the list owner. Is there a new control to fix this? This is a very annoying bug because we run several low-traffic lists where we have turned on "emergency" to fight spam or viruses. The list admins have to wait to the next morning to get the notification. Tnx, -mm From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sat Aug 28 02:40:18 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 02:40:18 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wondering how long to send messages In-Reply-To: <001801c48bbd$3ca45920$9801a8c0@pecva.org> References: <001801c48bbd$3ca45920$9801a8c0@pecva.org> Message-ID: At 6:37 PM -0400 2004-08-26, Mike wrote: > Wondering if anyone has a sense how long a message takes to send before I > can make changes to the membership list. The concern is if I make changes to > the subscriber list too quickly (remove them), then those folks may not get > the message. The answer is -- it depends. A fast machine on a fast network with all recipients who are likewise on fast machines attached to fast networks, and with relatively few users, may be completely delivered in a few minutes. But there could always be stragglers that are minutes, hours, or even days behind. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sat Aug 28 02:42:56 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 02:42:56 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Question about MailMan In-Reply-To: <003c01c48bec$64543740$8600a8c0@EDDIE> References: <003c01c48bec$64543740$8600a8c0@EDDIE> Message-ID: At 9:14 PM -0700 2004-08-26, Handicapper.net wrote: > I have an opt-in mailing list of about 7,500 readers. I need to send > e-mails at least weekly and sometimes daily, on occassion more than > one in a day. > > Is there a way your service can help me? We don't run a service. We're just a bunch of fellow mailing list admins at various sites around the world. If you want a mailman hosting service, please see . > How long does it usually take to deliver this number of e-mails? Depends on the size of the list, how many users are at which sites, how fast those sites are, how fast their networks are, how fast your machine is, how fast your network is, if there are any problems in the network between your site and their sites, and a whole host of other issues. > Can can I be assured that the mailing list is kept private? That would be up to your provider. > How can users be added and removed? There is a web administration interface, but if you've got access to the command-line, there are also tools you can run there. But you should talk to your hosting provider first. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From msapiro at value.net Sat Aug 28 03:40:50 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:40:50 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wondering how long to send messages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brad Knowles wrote: >At 6:37 PM -0400 2004-08-26, Mike wrote: > >> Wondering if anyone has a sense how long a message takes to send before I >> can make changes to the membership list. The concern is if I make changes to >> the subscriber list too quickly (remove them), then those folks may not get >> the message. > > The answer is -- it depends. A fast machine on a fast network >with all recipients who are likewise on fast machines attached to >fast networks, and with relatively few users, may be completely >delivered in a few minutes. But there could always be stragglers >that are minutes, hours, or even days behind. But wouldn't those stragglers be queued in the MTA? The question is at what point can one delete someone from the membership list without causing a prior post to that person to not be sent? I'm not sure, but it seems to me that once the "completed" entry is written to the Mailman smtp log, changes to the membership list won't affect the message recipients of that post. Of course, the digest recipients would be affected up until the digest is sent. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From rimga at ktl.mii.lt Sat Aug 28 14:52:35 2004 From: rimga at ktl.mii.lt (Rimgaudas Laucius) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:52:35 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem Message-ID: <004901c48cfd$e46efcf0$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM> Hello, i installed mailman 2.1.5 on Linux (rh9). The problem is with letters where are used national characters (8 bit [#128..#255] from baltic cp Windows 1257 or ISOxxxx-13) in subject line. Mailman does not pass such letters (discards them without any message). Earlier version (2.0.14) had not such problem. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sat Aug 28 16:09:51 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:09:51 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wondering how long to send messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 6:40 PM -0700 2004-08-27, Mark Sapiro wrote: > But wouldn't those stragglers be queued in the MTA? The question is at > what point can one delete someone from the membership list without > causing a prior post to that person to not be sent? A lot depends on how the mailing list is configured, how the MTA is configured, etc.... If you're VERPing the recipients, it could take a while to work through them all for a big list. If you're not VERPing the recipients, you could have the group at the bottom of the list held up while the mailing list tries to deliver stuff to recipients higher on the list but for which there are DNS problems causing the MTA to be slow to accept them. The answer remains "it depends". > I'm not sure, but it seems to me that once the "completed" entry is > written to the Mailman smtp log, changes to the membership list won't > affect the message recipients of that post. Can you be sure which "completed" entry corresponds to which post, and which other messages might be in the process of being handled? That is, unless you want to single-thread all delivery to the list, so that you don't post a new message until you can be sure that the previous post has at least had all copies of the outgoing message accepted by the local MTA, even if those messages have not yet been delivered to their recipients. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jwblist at olympus.net Sat Aug 28 16:35:21 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 07:35:21 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wondering how long to send messages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/27/2004 17:40, "Brad Knowles" wrote: > At 6:37 PM -0400 2004-08-26, Mike wrote: > >> Wondering if anyone has a sense how long a message takes to send before I >> can make changes to the membership list. The concern is if I make changes to >> the subscriber list too quickly (remove them), then those folks may not get >> the message. > > The answer is -- it depends. A fast machine on a fast network > with all recipients who are likewise on fast machines attached to > fast networks, and with relatively few users, may be completely > delivered in a few minutes. But there could always be stragglers > that are minutes, hours, or even days behind. But it doesn't matter when the messages get delivered. Removing an address from the list does not reach out into the Internet and snatch back the message that is on its way. What matters is how the Mailman code gathers the addresses a particular message is to be delivered to, and what it's doing while it sends out the message to those addresses. Does the code open the list once, obtain the addresses it needs (the non-digest, not-no-mail, not duplicate filtered, etc) and then do its thing without regard to the list object on disk, or does it keep peeking into the object on disk while it's emitting messages. Without looking at the code, my guess is it is more like the former than the latter. A quick look at the code suggests that's the case (the code which sends out a message gets the recipients pre-cooked from an object). In that case, the questions are is the list locked while the gathering takes place? if not, how long does the gathering take? Once the addresses are gathered up (or the list is locked for gathering), the list membership can be changed without worry...the worst that will happen is that a bounce will come back related to an address not on the list when the bounce comes. If the code keeps peeking at the list object on disk, then what matters is how long it takes to get the message to the SMTP server to which we submit the messages. That time can be read from the smtp log, and provides an upper bound. I doubt one needs to wait that long. It's longer if Mailman is VERPing. --John From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sat Aug 28 17:06:17 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:06:17 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wondering how long to send messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 7:35 AM -0700 2004-08-28, John W. Baxter wrote: > Does the code open the list once, obtain the addresses it needs (the > non-digest, not-no-mail, not duplicate filtered, etc) and then do its thing > without regard to the list object on disk, or does it keep peeking into the > object on disk while it's emitting messages. IMO, making changes like this while Mailman is still processing the message is unsafe and a very bad idea. At the very least, I think you should make sure that Mailman has completed all of its processing and all copies of the message have been handed off to the MTA, even if the MTA hasn't completed its own processing. But then, if those extra milliseconds matter and you want to greatly increase the risk of blowing off your foot with a hair-trigger large explosive device, you could always modify the code so as to allow you to do that. Of course, you couldn't expect to get much support here for any of your local modifications of that sort, but then if you're willing to make these kinds of modifications for these kinds of reasons, you probably don't care about community support anyway. > If the code keeps peeking at the list object on disk, then what matters is > how long it takes to get the message to the SMTP server to which we submit > the messages. That time can be read from the smtp log, and provides an > upper bound. I doubt one needs to wait that long. It's longer if Mailman > is VERPing. If you single-thread all deliveries to the list (so that one completes before the next one is allowed to start), then it's a relatively simple matter of watching the log files to see when it should be safe to make the changes. Regardless of how you do it and how safe or unsafe you make this process, this sort of thing will probably require some code changes, and then you're back to the community support problem again. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From myles_dyer at hotmail.com Fri Aug 27 23:28:00 2004 From: myles_dyer at hotmail.com (nderrff retrgrtg) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:28:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help Message-ID: Hey. I have just started to use your mailing list program, but i am new to website making etc. I have set up a mailing list, but i do not understand certain things. Is there a way of allowing people to subscribe to it on my website without having to visit those pages? Also, if the email is News at penitentiary.co.uk and I want to send a newsletter, do I send an email to news at penitentiary.co.uk and then it will be distributed to everyone on the list? Is there a way allowing only me to send emails to people on the list? Hope you can help..i'm sure they are basic questions..just i am a bit confused..hehe thx ~Myles _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From rimga at ktl.mii.lt Sat Aug 28 14:43:44 2004 From: rimga at ktl.mii.lt (Rimgaudas Laucius) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:43:44 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem Message-ID: <003101c48cfc$a7a4d020$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM> Hello, i installed mailman 2.1.5 on Linux (rh9). The problem is with letters where are used national characters (8 bit [#128..#255] from baltic cp Windows 1257 or ISOxxxx-13) in subject line. Mailman does not pass such letters (discards them without any message). Earlier version (2.0.14) had not such problem. From msapiro at value.net Sat Aug 28 17:55:34 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:55:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wondering how long to send messages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brad Knowles wrote: > > IMO, making changes like this while Mailman is still processing >the message is unsafe and a very bad idea. At the very least, I >think you should make sure that Mailman has completed all of its >processing and all copies of the message have been handed off to the >MTA, even if the MTA hasn't completed its own processing. > > But then, if those extra milliseconds matter and you want to >greatly increase the risk of blowing off your foot with a >hair-trigger large explosive device, you could always modify the code >so as to allow you to do that. Of course, you couldn't expect to get >much support here for any of your local modifications of that sort, >but then if you're willing to make these kinds of modifications for >these kinds of reasons, you probably don't care about community >support anyway. > I think we're getting a little off track here. I don't think anyone is talking about doing anything that requires code modification. The OP merely asked how long must he wait between posting a message and deleting a user from the list to be sure the user still gets the post. I still think that once the "completed" message for the post is in the Mailman smtp log, changes to the subscriber list for non-digest subscribers won't affect who ultimately receives the post. The message-id of the post is in the log, so you can tell if the log entry is for the post in question if that is an issue. Further, you could just look at the range of completion times in the log and pick say double the maximum that you see as a "reasonably safe" time to wait. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sat Aug 28 18:05:26 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:05:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Myles Dyer wrote: > >Is there a way of allowing people to subscribe to it on my website without >having to visit those pages? Yes, visit the FAQ wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and read article 4.33 >Also, if the email is News at penitentiary.co.uk and I want to send a >newsletter, do I send an email to news at penitentiary.co.uk and then it will >be distributed to everyone on the list? Yes, see FAQ article 2.4 >Is there a way allowing only me to send emails to people on the list? Yes, see FAQ article 3.11 -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jwblist at olympus.net Sat Aug 28 18:25:43 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:25:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wondering how long to send messages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/28/2004 8:06, "Brad Knowles" wrote: > At 7:35 AM -0700 2004-08-28, John W. Baxter wrote: > >> Does the code open the list once, obtain the addresses it needs (the >> non-digest, not-no-mail, not duplicate filtered, etc) and then do its thing >> without regard to the list object on disk, or does it keep peeking into the >> object on disk while it's emitting messages. > > IMO, making changes like this while Mailman is still processing > the message is unsafe and a very bad idea. At the very least, I > think you should make sure that Mailman has completed all of its > processing and all copies of the message have been handed off to the > MTA, even if the MTA hasn't completed its own processing. > > But then, if those extra milliseconds matter and you want to > greatly increase the risk of blowing off your foot with a > hair-trigger large explosive device, you could always modify the code > so as to allow you to do that. Of course, you couldn't expect to get > much support here for any of your local modifications of that sort, > but then if you're willing to make these kinds of modifications for > these kinds of reasons, you probably don't care about community > support anyway. > >> If the code keeps peeking at the list object on disk, then what matters is >> how long it takes to get the message to the SMTP server to which we submit >> the messages. That time can be read from the smtp log, and provides an >> upper bound. I doubt one needs to wait that long. It's longer if Mailman >> is VERPing. > > If you single-thread all deliveries to the list (so that one > completes before the next one is allowed to start), then it's a > relatively simple matter of watching the log files to see when it > should be safe to make the changes. > > > Regardless of how you do it and how safe or unsafe you make this > process, this sort of thing will probably require some code changes, > and then you're back to the community support problem again. I'm not talking about making code changes. I'm speculating about how the code works (because I don't presently have time to follow a message through the code used by the delivery process...it's non-trivial code). A paraphrase of the original question goes something like "I have sent a message to my list. I want to remove some addresses from the list, but I want to be sure that those addresses receive the message. How long do I have to wait?" And the answer depends heavily on how Mailman processes a message through the system. Again, does it gather the addresses and then work on them, or does it keep referring back to the list object to find an address (or group of addresses) to work on next? Only in the latter case does one have to wait very long. Note that this is a specialized situation. More generally, it is safe to use the tools to change the list membership any time...new additions may or may not receive a particular message, and removed addresses may or may not receive a particular message, but no damage is done (if the Mailman code is correct, and it seems to be, since we don't see damage reports). --John From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sat Aug 28 18:27:22 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:27:22 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wondering how long to send messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:55 AM -0700 2004-08-28, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I think we're getting a little off track here. I don't think anyone is > talking about doing anything that requires code modification. Perhaps. > The OP merely asked how long must he wait between posting a message and > deleting a user from the list to be sure the user still gets the post. True enough. > I still think that once the "completed" message for the post is in the > Mailman smtp log, changes to the subscriber list for non-digest > subscribers won't affect who ultimately receives the post. The > message-id of the post is in the log, so you can tell if the log entry > is for the post in question if that is an issue. Right, but then you have to single-thread all deliveries to the mailing list, otherwise if you make changes to the subscriber list after a given message has been sufficiently processed, you may very well catch other messages which are in the middle of being processed and which would otherwise be affected by the subscriber change. So long as you can single-thread those deliveries to the list, or there are naturally long periods of time between when a message is submitted and when the next one comes along, you're fine. Otherwise, you've got to come up with some sort of locking mechanism which would most likely mean additional code. Of course, if there were natural long periods of time between when one message was submitted and when the next one came along, you're much less likely to be put into a situation where it is extremely time critical to know precisely when the message has been sufficiently processed that it is now safe to go change the subscriber list. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sat Aug 28 18:34:47 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:34:47 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wondering how long to send messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 9:25 AM -0700 2004-08-28, John W. Baxter wrote: > More generally, it is safe to use the tools to change the list membership > any time...new additions may or may not receive a particular message, and > removed addresses may or may not receive a particular message, but no damage > is done (if the Mailman code is correct, and it seems to be, since we don't > see damage reports). If it's only a single specific message you want to make sure has gone out, and you're not worried about the general problem, then the answer is to watch the logs, as was suggested by someone else. When Mailman says that it's done processing that message, then you can change the subscriber list whenever you want, with the risks you're already aware of regarding what may or may not happen with the other messages that have come in during the meanwhile. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From msapiro at value.net Sat Aug 28 18:38:09 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:38:09 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem In-Reply-To: <003101c48cfc$a7a4d020$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM> Message-ID: Rimgaudas Laucius wrote: > >i installed mailman 2.1.5 on Linux (rh9). >The problem is with letters where are used national characters (8 bit >[#128..#255] from baltic cp Windows 1257 or ISOxxxx-13) in subject line. >Mailman does not pass such letters (discards them without any message). >Earlier version (2.0.14) had not such problem. > I understand your problem, but the real problem is with your MUA that creates a message with characters outside the [#1..#127] range in the subject. RFC2822 section 2.2 says in part: Header fields are lines composed of a field name, followed by a colon (":"), followed by a field body, and terminated by CRLF. A field name MUST be composed of printable US-ASCII characters (i.e., characters that have values between 33 and 126, inclusive), except colon. RFC822 uses different language but also restricts the characters to the printable US-ASCII range. RFC2047 provides a method for encoding characters outside this range into message headers using either base64 or quoted-printable encoding. This gives headers that look for example like: Subject: =?iso-8859-13?q?Subject= with= =c0= Baltic= character?= Of course, there are major problems because not all MUAs create headers in this way and not all MUAs understand them, but this isn't really a Mailman issue. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sat Aug 28 19:03:09 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:03:09 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark Sapiro wrote: > >RFC2822 section 2.2 says in part: > > Header fields are lines composed of a field name, followed by a colon > (":"), followed by a field body, and terminated by CRLF. A field > name MUST be composed of printable US-ASCII characters (i.e., > characters that have values between 33 and 126, inclusive), except > colon. I quoted too little of section 2.2 in my previous reply. Section 2.2 continues: A field body may be composed of any US-ASCII characters, except for CR and LF. However, a field body may contain CRLF when used in header "folding" and "unfolding" as described in section 2.2.3. >RFC822 uses different language but also restricts the characters to the >printable US-ASCII range. Here too I overstated. RFC822 also restricts header field body characters in the same way as RFC2822. In any case, the point that the standards do not allow characters greater than #127 in headers is valid. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From fredimac at oaklandish.com Sat Aug 28 19:54:03 2004 From: fredimac at oaklandish.com (fredimac) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:54:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirect reply's to list messages In-Reply-To: <1092899272.4578.113.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040828175359.728F3398721@zoidberg.tigertech.net> Greetings, I followed the instructions below and it worked but.... in addition to the explicit address, the list address shows in the to: field as well. How can I remove the list posting address from the From: header? Thanks, Fred -----Original Message----- From: David Blomquist [mailto:dbl at tentra.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:08 AM To: Fred Macondray Cc: Mailman Users Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Redirect reply's to list messages On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 19:23, Fred Macondray wrote: > Greetings All, > > I just set up Mailman as provided by my hosting service. > > I've currently got my list up and working so that the following are true: > > 1) The list is in "announce only mode" > 2) A few authorized addresses can send email to the list > 3) Unauthorized members and non-members get a rejection message when > they send to the list address. > > What I would like to do is redirect all messages sent to the list by > unauthorized addresses to a specific address or to the list owner. > > Is this possible? People have a tendency to reply with questions > about the announcement. > > Thanks in advance, > fredimac This section below was copied from: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp How to set an announcement list to reply to a contact address: Go to the General options and scroll down to Reply-To munging. Turn on first_strip_reply_to and set reply_goes_to_list to Explicit Address. Set reply_to_address to band at dom.ain. This way anyone following up to an announcement will send the message to your band contact address. If your newsletters are likely to be widely forwarded on, you may want to use a special contact address for this purpose, one you can change from time to time when the address starts receiving a lot of spam. Scroll down on the General options and set include_list_post_header to No, but leave include_rfc2369_headers to Yes. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.737 / Virus Database: 491 - Release Date: 8/11/2004 From msapiro at value.net Sat Aug 28 20:49:44 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:49:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirect reply's to list messages In-Reply-To: <20040828175359.728F3398721@zoidberg.tigertech.net> Message-ID: fredimac wrote: > >How can I remove the list posting address from the From: header? > If the From: header contains the list posting address it is probably because anonymous_list is set to "yes" (admin General Options). -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From allen at circleofa.com Sun Aug 29 00:17:20 2004 From: allen at circleofa.com (Allen Watson) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:17:20 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You're right; they are basic questions. I'd suggest reading the documentation that is available at: Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py And at On or near 8/27/04 2:28 PM, nderrff retrgrtg at myles_dyer at hotmail.com observed: > Hey. I have just started to use your mailing list program, but i am new to > website making etc. > > I have set up a mailing list, but i do not understand certain things. > > Is there a way of allowing people to subscribe to it on my website without > having to visit those pages? > People can subscribe by sending a message to "News-subscribe at penitentiary.co.uk", if that is your list name and your domain. On your web page you need a link like this: Click here to subscribe. > Also, if the email is News at penitentiary.co.uk and I want to send a > newsletter, do I send an email to news at penitentiary.co.uk and then it will > be distributed to everyone on the list? > Yes, that's how it works. > Is there a way allowing only me to send emails to people on the list? > Make everyone on the list moderated by setting their "Mod" bit; you'll see this in the Membership list on the web interface. Then, insert your own address in the list of those allowed to post to the list, in the Privacy section of settings. > > Hope you can help..i'm sure they are basic questions..just i am a bit > confused..hehe > > thx > > ~Myles > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > -- Your companion on the journey, Allen Watson The Circle of Atonement, P.O. Box 4238, W. Sedona, AZ 86340 "This course was sent to open up the path of light to us, and teach us, step by step, how to return to the eternal Self we thought we lost." (A Course in Miracles, W-pI.rV.In.5:4) From mike at dehart.net Sat Aug 28 18:18:17 2004 From: mike at dehart.net (Mike) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:18:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wondering how long to send messages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003e01c48d1a$a13fde00$9801a8c0@pecva.org> Thanks, all for the excellent dialog on this. Couple follow-up questions from the uninitiated... -is there general agreement that if I'm not VERPing or single treading, then once the Mailman smtp log shows "complete" that I'm good to go to change the list? -the path to the Mailman smtp log? -I've got a default Plesk install of Mailman. I.e. I haven't looked below the hood beyond the Mailman web interface. Can I assume I'm not VERPing nor single threading? (i see that i can prob look here:) VERP settings within Mailman are done on a per-installation basis - ie they affect all the lists within the installation. To configure VERP within Mailman read the information in ~mailman/Mailman/Default.py for the options that start with VERP. In a nutshell, all you need to do to enable VERP with Exim is to add these lines to ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py: VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 1 VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 1 VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 1 VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 Thanks!! m -----Original Message----- From: Brad Knowles [mailto:brad at stop.mail-abuse.org] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 10:10 AM To: Mark Sapiro Cc: Brad Knowles; mike at dehart.net; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Wondering how long to send messages At 6:40 PM -0700 2004-08-27, Mark Sapiro wrote: > But wouldn't those stragglers be queued in the MTA? The question is at > what point can one delete someone from the membership list without > causing a prior post to that person to not be sent? A lot depends on how the mailing list is configured, how the MTA is configured, etc.... If you're VERPing the recipients, it could take a while to work through them all for a big list. If you're not VERPing the recipients, you could have the group at the bottom of the list held up while the mailing list tries to deliver stuff to recipients higher on the list but for which there are DNS problems causing the MTA to be slow to accept them. The answer remains "it depends". > I'm not sure, but it seems to me that once the "completed" entry is > written to the Mailman smtp log, changes to the membership list won't > affect the message recipients of that post. Can you be sure which "completed" entry corresponds to which post, and which other messages might be in the process of being handled? That is, unless you want to single-thread all delivery to the list, so that you don't post a new message until you can be sure that the previous post has at least had all copies of the outgoing message accepted by the local MTA, even if those messages have not yet been delivered to their recipients. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From atrick at prin.edu Sun Aug 29 06:45:27 2004 From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:45:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mystery with user_option URL Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040828233843.027f1730@mail.prin.edu> Help! I set some lists up a year ago and on most of them a note I append appears like this (it's entered into "msg_footer" on the Non-digest Options page): Changes to your subscription may be made by visiting http://www.prin.edu/mailman/options/2014/atrick%40prin.edu. If you are on more than one such Principia mailing list, click "Change globally" to apply any changes you may make to all of your subscribed lists. I set up a new list just now and the footer appears this way on this new list: Changes to your subscription may be made by visiting %(user_optionsurl)s. If you are on more than one such Principia mailing list, click "Change globally" to apply any changes you may make to all of your subscribed lists. (It doesn't translate the user_option to a URL.) Here's the instruction copied straight from the "msg_footer" field of the list where it IS working right: Changes to your subscription may be made by visiting %(user_optionsurl)s. If you are on more than one such Principia mailing list, click "Change globally" to apply any changes you may make to all of your subscribed lists. It looks just the same on the list where it's NOT working. What have I not done right to get that URL to show in the messages? Allan From jwt at onjapan.net Sun Aug 29 09:35:50 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:35:50 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mystery with user_option URL In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040828233843.027f1730@mail.prin.edu> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040828233843.027f1730@mail.prin.edu> Message-ID: <0CE59BF7-F98E-11D8-BB7F-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Aug 29, 2004, at 13:45, Allan Trick wrote: > I set up a new list just now and the footer appears this way on this > new list: > > Changes to your subscription may be made by visiting > %(user_optionsurl)s. If you are on more than one such Principia > mailing list, click "Change globally" to apply any changes you may > make to all of your subscribed lists. > > (It doesn't translate the user_option to a URL.) > [...] > It looks just the same on the list where it's NOT working. What have > I not done right to get that URL to show in the messages? Make sure you have set the 'personalize' option on the "Non-digest options Section" of the list's adminstration page. It must be set to 'Yes' or 'Full Personalization' to permit the user_optionsurl substitution. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From atrick at prin.edu Sun Aug 29 16:18:19 2004 From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:18:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mystery with user_option URL In-Reply-To: <0CE59BF7-F98E-11D8-BB7F-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040828233843.027f1730@mail.prin.edu> <0CE59BF7-F98E-11D8-BB7F-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040829091034.02973fb0@mail.prin.edu> At 02:35 AM 8/29/2004, Jim Tittsler wrote: >On Aug 29, 2004, at 13:45, Allan Trick wrote: >>I set up a new list just now and the footer appears this way on this new >>list: >> >> Changes to your subscription may be made by visiting >> %(user_optionsurl)s. If you are on more than one such Principia mailing >> list, click "Change globally" to apply any changes you may make to all >> of your subscribed lists. >> >>(It doesn't translate the user_option to a URL.) >>[...] >>It looks just the same on the list where it's NOT working. What have I >>not done right to get that URL to show in the messages? > >Make sure you have set the 'personalize' option on the "Non-digest options >Section" of the list's adminstration page. It must be set to 'Yes' or >'Full Personalization' to permit the user_optionsurl substitution. I don't see that choice on the Non-digest Options page. There are only three items on that page: 1. The question: Can subscribers choose to receive mail immediately, rather than in batched digests? 2. Header added to mail sent to regular list members 3. Footer added to mail sent to regular list members However, I did add "VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes" to my mm_cfg.py file and then I restarted Mailman. Should that take care of it? Am I missing something on the admin screen that the rest of you have? (I'm running 2.1.5, by the way.) Thanks, Allan From msapiro at value.net Sun Aug 29 18:17:51 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:17:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mystery with user_option URL In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040829091034.02973fb0@mail.prin.edu> Message-ID: Allan Trick wrote: >At 02:35 AM 8/29/2004, Jim Tittsler wrote: >> >>Make sure you have set the 'personalize' option on the "Non-digest options >>Section" of the list's adminstration page. It must be set to 'Yes' or >>'Full Personalization' to permit the user_optionsurl substitution. > >I don't see that choice on the Non-digest Options page. There are only >three items on that page: >1. The question: Can subscribers choose to receive mail immediately, >rather than in batched digests? >2. Header added to mail sent to regular list members >3. Footer added to mail sent to regular list members See FAQ article 3.15 at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.015.htp -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sun Aug 29 18:35:31 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:35:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wondering how long to send messages In-Reply-To: <003e01c48d1a$a13fde00$9801a8c0@pecva.org> Message-ID: Mike wrote: > >Thanks, all for the excellent dialog on this. Couple follow-up questions >from the uninitiated... > >-is there general agreement that if I'm not VERPing or single treading, then >once the Mailman smtp log shows "complete" that I'm good to go to change the >list? I think there is agreement that once the "complete" message is in the smtp log, you're OK for that message regardless of VERP/threading issues. The simplest situation would be not VERPing and yes single threading. >-the path to the Mailman smtp log? Depends on your installation. It's a file named smtp in a directory with other files named bounce, error, mischief, post, qrunner, subscribe and vette. The directory might be $prefix/logs where $prefix is the path to your mailman installation (mailman) directory, but it could be elsewhere. >-I've got a default Plesk install of Mailman. I.e. I haven't looked below >the hood beyond the Mailman web interface. Can I assume I'm not VERPing nor >single threading? Standard defaults are no VERPing and yes single threading. This would actually be the simplest situation. Look in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py for the defaults and their descriptions and in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py for your installation specific overrides. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jwblist at olympus.net Sun Aug 29 20:46:13 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 11:46:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wondering how long to send messages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/29/2004 9:35, "Mark Sapiro" wrote: >> -the path to the Mailman smtp log? > > Depends on your installation. It's a file named smtp in a directory > with other files named bounce, error, mischief, post, qrunner, > subscribe and vette. > > The directory might be $prefix/logs where $prefix is the path to your > mailman installation (mailman) directory, but it could be elsewhere. grep LOG_DIR ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py For where it would be if not overridden, then grep LOG_DIR ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py For where it is if it was overridden (in our case, /var/log/mailman). --John From mmlist at mikephillips.com Mon Aug 30 02:21:37 2004 From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:21:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Master List Message-ID: <002a01c48e27$50a9f1c0$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01> I have two MailMan lists for my son's school's football teams -- Varsity and JV. I need to create a master list that has the two lists as its only members such that an email sent to master at domain.com is distributed to jv at domain.com and varsity at domain.com. Because of bouncing, relying to the list, and other such considerations, there may be more to it than just adding the two names to a list. What is the best way of setting it up? From msapiro at value.net Mon Aug 30 02:45:48 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:45:48 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Master List In-Reply-To: <002a01c48e27$50a9f1c0$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01> Message-ID: Mike Phillips wrote: >I have two MailMan lists for my son's school's football teams -- Varsity and JV. I need to create a master list that has the two lists as its only members such that an email sent to master at domain.com is distributed to jv at domain.com and varsity at domain.com. Because of bouncing, relying to the list, and other such considerations, there may be more to it than just adding the two names to a list. What is the best way of setting it up? The master list in an Umbrella list. Designate it as such on the admin General Options page for the list. Also visit the FAQ wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and read article 3.5 -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From atrick at prin.edu Mon Aug 30 02:50:46 2004 From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:50:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mystery with user_option URL In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040829091034.02973fb0@mail.prin.edu> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040829193023.02841478@mail.prin.edu> At 11:17 AM 8/29/2004, Mark Sapiro wrote: >See FAQ article 3.15 at >http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.015.htp I had set: VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes but missed: OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes After adding that to my mm_cfg.py and restarting qrunner, the option now appears on the Non-Digest Options page. Thanks, Mark! Allan From mmlist at mikephillips.com Mon Aug 30 03:14:07 2004 From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:14:07 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Master List References: Message-ID: <000401c48e2e$a5dd9aa0$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01> That seems simple enough. I read article 3.5, and it offers a script to solve a problem. Are they talking about the duplicate message problem (when one person is on multiple lists feed from the umbrella list?) What if someone tries to subscribe to the umbrella list. How do I preclude them from being able to do so? Thanks for your assistance. Obviously I'm not very experienced with MailMan. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sapiro" To: "Mike Phillips" ; Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Master List > Mike Phillips wrote: > > >I have two MailMan lists for my son's school's football teams -- Varsity and JV. I need to create a master list that has the two lists as its only members such that an email sent to master at domain.com is distributed to jv at domain.com and varsity at domain.com. Because of bouncing, relying to the list, and other such considerations, there may be more to it than just adding the two names to a list. What is the best way of setting it up? > > The master list in an Umbrella list. Designate it as such on the admin > General Options page for the list. > > Also visit the FAQ wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > and read article 3.5 > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > > From msapiro at value.net Mon Aug 30 04:28:04 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:28:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Master List In-Reply-To: <000401c48e2e$a5dd9aa0$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01> Message-ID: Mike Phillips wrote: >That seems simple enough. I read article 3.5, and it offers a script to >solve a problem. Are they talking about the duplicate message problem (when >one person is on multiple lists feed from the umbrella list?) Yes, that is the problem the script is designed to solve. >What if someone tries to subscribe to the umbrella list. How do I preclude >them from being able to do so? Go to the Privacy options...->Subscription rules for the list and set subscribe_policy to Require approval. >Thanks for your assistance. Obviously I'm not very experienced with MailMan. It would help if you would go through all the admin pages for a list just to see what's there and also to read the FAQ index. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From glenda653 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 30 05:12:05 2004 From: glenda653 at hotmail.com (GLENDA NEWMAN-BUTLER) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:12:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] post to this list Message-ID: My email is glenda653 at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From mmlist at mikephillips.com Mon Aug 30 05:33:59 2004 From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:33:59 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Master List References: Message-ID: <000401c48e42$30284df0$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01> Mark: I have read through much of the online documentation as well as the information contained within the program itself. This comment is not intended to be a criticism, but the help information is written for people who already know the program. I've read and read and still don't understand certain aspects of it. Things that are simple and obvious to you are mystery to me. It is easy for you to read and understand the FAQ and other support documents. It is not easy for me to do so. Truth: A brain surgeon told me that brain surgery is not difficult, once you know how to do it. Thanks for your response. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sapiro" To: "Mike Phillips" ; Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Master List > Mike Phillips wrote: > > >That seems simple enough. I read article 3.5, and it offers a script to > >solve a problem. Are they talking about the duplicate message problem (when > >one person is on multiple lists feed from the umbrella list?) > > Yes, that is the problem the script is designed to solve. > > >What if someone tries to subscribe to the umbrella list. How do I preclude > >them from being able to do so? > > Go to the Privacy options...->Subscription rules for the list and set > subscribe_policy to Require approval. > > >Thanks for your assistance. Obviously I'm not very experienced with MailMan. > > It would help if you would go through all the admin pages for a list > just to see what's there and also to read the FAQ index. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > > From judypetersen at comcast.net Mon Aug 30 06:03:49 2004 From: judypetersen at comcast.net (Judy Petersen) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:03:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some members not getting mail In-Reply-To: <20040827060657.GA26841@gcfl.net> Message-ID: Thank you all for offering some pointers on getting our list running again. Ultimately, it had to be solved by a tech somewhere because the problem turned out to be system-wide. Now that has calmed down, I wonder if any of you have suggestions for an ongoing problem. We have some members who suddenly don't get our mail anymore. We are a 'sharing' list so there are many emails every day. We have them contact their ISP and troubleshoot. We help them check the settings in their email program. Sometimes we just unsub them and then resub and for a few that fixes the problem. However, there are some whose problem never seems to get solved but they can get the digest and they learn to live with that. However, one of those subscribers is me! I've not been able to get mail for several months and depend totally on the digest. I actually got working again 2-3 times by unsub/resubbing but now that doesn't work anymore. Needless to say, it doesn't make me a very 'johnny on the spot' listkeeper!! Does anyone have suggestions for straightening out these stubborn accounts? Is there a "trouble-shooting the setup of individuals" list floating around somewhere that might help or give me some more ideas of things to look for or try? Thank you again for your good efforts. Judy Petersen "Blessed are the young, for they will inherit the national debt." Herbert Clark Hoover (1874-1964), 31st US President From relson at osagesoftware.com Mon Aug 30 06:24:21 2004 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:24:21 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some members not getting mail In-Reply-To: References: <20040827060657.GA26841@gcfl.net> Message-ID: <20040830002421.4374959c@osage.osagesoftware.com> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:03:49 -0400 Judy Petersen wrote: > Thank you all for offering some pointers on getting our list running > again. Ultimately, it had to be solved by a tech somewhere because the > problem turned out to be system-wide. > > Now that has calmed down, I wonder if any of you have suggestions for > an ongoing problem. We have some members who suddenly don't get our > mail anymore. We are a 'sharing' list so there are many emails every > day. > > We have them contact their ISP and troubleshoot. We help them check > the settings in their email program. Sometimes we just unsub them and > then resub and for a few that fixes the problem. However, there are > some whose problem never seems to get solved but they can get the > digest and they learn to live with that. > > However, one of those subscribers is me! I've not been able to get > mail for several months and depend totally on the digest. I actually > got working again 2-3 times by unsub/resubbing but now that doesn't > work anymore. Needless to say, it doesn't make me a very 'johnny on > the spot' listkeeper!! > > Does anyone have suggestions for straightening out these stubborn > accounts? Is there a "trouble-shooting the setup of individuals" list > floating around somewhere that might help or give me some more ideas > of things to look for or try? > > Thank you again for your good efforts. > > Judy Petersen Hello Judy, I don't have a tried/true answer for you, just a couple of things to check. #1) If you have access to /var/log/syslog on the mailman machine and if the mail program logs outgoing messages then there'll be records showing when the messages went out and whether or not they were accepted. For example, a message from bogofilter at bogofilter.org to user at example.com generated these messages: Aug 29 23:50:31 nic postfix/smtp[26981]: connect to mail.example.com[1.2.3.4]: Connection timed out (port 25) Aug 29 23:50:31 nic postfix/smtp[26978]: EE1DA2FF5C: to=,..., status=deferred (connect to mail.example.com[1.2.3.4]: Connection timed out) Both show that the message wasn't delivered because the connection to mail.example.com failed. #2) Noticing "comcast.net" in your address, I remember all sorts of horror stories about how they "filter spam" and don't tell their users. Apparently they've also introduced a "turn off spam filtering" capability for an extra $1 per month. Here in Michigan, comcast has a bad reputation. Could comcast be filtering your email for you? HTH, David From msapiro at value.net Mon Aug 30 07:09:22 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:09:22 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some members not getting mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Judy Petersen wrote: >We have some members who suddenly don't get our mail >anymore. We are a 'sharing' list so there are many emails every day. > >We have them contact their ISP and troubleshoot. We help them check the >settings in their email program. Sometimes we just unsub them and then resub >and for a few that fixes the problem. However, there are some whose problem >never seems to get solved but they can get the digest and they learn to live >with that. > >However, one of those subscribers is me! I've not been able to get mail for >several months and depend totally on the digest. I actually got working >again 2-3 times by unsub/resubbing but now that doesn't work anymore. >Needless to say, it doesn't make me a very 'johnny on the spot' listkeeper!! > >Does anyone have suggestions for straightening out these stubborn accounts? >Is there a "trouble-shooting the setup of individuals" list floating around >somewhere that might help or give me some more ideas of things to look for >or try? I wrote the following in response to your earlier post: Regarding your prior problem of certain users not receiving, if their subs are in order and they are not set to "nomail" and mail is not bouncing (ideally, you can see the "bounce" log, but if you have the list set to process bounces and to send unrecognized bounces to you, people who are bouncing whose bounces you don't see will sooner or later be disabled), then the list mail is most likely being caught in a spam filter somewhere. If you have access to the mailman logs, you should be able to determine from the smtp log if the expected number of posts are being sent. If they are, then the above paragraph applies, but here are some other thoughts too (in no particular order). Make sure the user's (your) delivery is enabled, not disabled by user, bounce or admin. Do your lists posts normally contain attachments? If so, individual messages are sent with the attachments, but digests are sent with links to the attachments. This might account for digests working and messages not. Does your list have an archive? If so, you can see posts in the archive more or less as they arrive without waiting for a digest. Has your list ever had Topics defined? If so, and if a user has ever subscribed to a topic, they can still be not receiving unmatched topics, even if topics are no longer defined. This might explain why unsub/resub fixes the problem. Unsub/resub fixing the problem for a while but not permanently sounds like bounce disables. You have a comcast.net address. can you receive mail addressed to you @attbi.com? If so, try subscribing that address too and see if it gets mail. The fact that you stopped receiving messages, but then could receive messages again by unsub/resub, and this worked 2-3 times but not any more, but you can receive digests suggests to me that something is very wrong with your Mailman installation. I have no idea what that could be, but at a minimum, I'd want to see the Mailman bounce, error, post and smtp logs, and maybe the MTA logs too. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From rimga at ktl.mii.lt Mon Aug 30 14:21:52 2004 From: rimga at ktl.mii.lt (Rimgaudas Laucius) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:21:52 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem References: Message-ID: <001b01c48e8b$ee810e10$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sapiro" To: "Rimgaudas Laucius" ; Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem > Rimgaudas Laucius wrote: > > > >i installed mailman 2.1.5 on Linux (rh9). > >The problem is with letters where are used national characters (8 bit > >[#128..#255] from baltic cp Windows 1257 or ISOxxxx-13) in subject line. > >Mailman does not pass such letters (discards them without any message). > >Earlier version (2.0.14) had not such problem. > > > > I understand your problem, but the real problem is with your MUA that > creates a message with characters outside the [#1..#127] range in the > subject. > > RFC2822 section 2.2 says in part: > > Header fields are lines composed of a field name, followed by a colon > (":"), followed by a field body, and terminated by CRLF. A field > name MUST be composed of printable US-ASCII characters (i.e., > characters that have values between 33 and 126, inclusive), except > colon. > > RFC822 uses different language but also restricts the characters to the > printable US-ASCII range. > > RFC2047 provides a method for encoding characters outside this range > into message headers using either base64 or quoted-printable encoding. > This gives headers that look for example like: > > Subject: =?iso-8859-13?q?Subject= with= =c0= Baltic= character?= > > Of course, there are major problems because not all MUAs create headers > in this way and not all MUAs understand them, but this isn't really a > Mailman issue. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan We have tested source text of the message sent from our MUA. The subject field was =?windows-1257?Q?=E0=FEe=E1=F8=EB=E6=FB?= So, all characters in ASCII and this mesaage did not go through Mailman. So the problem is not in MUA. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Aug 30 13:32:48 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:32:48 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem In-Reply-To: <001b01c48e8b$ee810e10$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM> References: <001b01c48e8b$ee810e10$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM> Message-ID: At 2:21 PM +0200 2004-08-30, Rimgaudas Laucius quoted Mark Sapiro: >> RFC2047 provides a method for encoding characters outside this range >> into message headers using either base64 or quoted-printable encoding. >> This gives headers that look for example like: >> >> Subject: =?iso-8859-13?q?Subject= with= =c0= Baltic= character?= >> >> Of course, there are major problems because not all MUAs create headers >> in this way and not all MUAs understand them, but this isn't really a >> Mailman issue. [ ... deletia ... ] > We have tested source text of the message sent from our MUA. The subject > field was > > =?windows-1257?Q?=E0=FEe=E1=F8=EB=E6=FB?= > > So, all characters in ASCII and this mesaage did not go through Mailman. > So the problem is not in MUA. Re-read the section you quoted from Mark, but obviously did not understand. The problem is *precisely* in your MUA. Your MUA is creating subject lines which are using a character set identification method which is not understood by all other programs, especially those that are not running on windows. Since the entire world does not run exclusively Microsoft OSes, you need to correct this problem on your end. There is no other possible solution. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From rimga at ktl.mii.lt Mon Aug 30 15:24:31 2004 From: rimga at ktl.mii.lt (Rimgaudas Laucius) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:24:31 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem References: <001b01c48e8b$ee810e10$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM> Message-ID: <006401c48e94$af1e0260$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Knowles" To: "Rimgaudas Laucius" Cc: "Mark Sapiro" ; Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem > At 2:21 PM +0200 2004-08-30, Rimgaudas Laucius quoted Mark Sapiro: > > >> RFC2047 provides a method for encoding characters outside this range > >> into message headers using either base64 or quoted-printable encoding. > >> This gives headers that look for example like: > >> > >> Subject: =?iso-8859-13?q?Subject= with= =c0= Baltic= character?= > >> > >> Of course, there are major problems because not all MUAs create headers > >> in this way and not all MUAs understand them, but this isn't really a > >> Mailman issue. > > [ ... deletia ... ] > > > We have tested source text of the message sent from our MUA. The subject > > field was > > > > =?windows-1257?Q?=E0=FEe=E1=F8=EB=E6=FB?= > > > > So, all characters in ASCII and this mesaage did not go through Mailman. > > So the problem is not in MUA. > > Re-read the section you quoted from Mark, but obviously did not understand. > > The problem is *precisely* in your MUA. Your MUA is creating > subject lines which are using a character set identification method > which is not understood by all other programs, especially those that > are not running on windows. > > Since the entire world does not run exclusively Microsoft OSes, > you need to correct this problem on your end. There is no other > possible solution. > > -- > Brad Knowles, > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. > It only an example with windows-1275 cp. The same result if i code letter with iso-8859-13. (i tried to switch on quoted printable and Base 64 coding but it does not work also.We still think problem is in Mailman and exclusively in 2.1.5 version because ealier version worked well. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Aug 30 14:31:26 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:31:26 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem In-Reply-To: <006401c48e94$af1e0260$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM> References: <001b01c48e8b$ee810e10$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM> <006401c48e94$af1e0260$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM> Message-ID: At 3:24 PM +0200 2004-08-30, Rimgaudas Laucius wrote: > It only an example with windows-1275 cp. The same result if i code letter > with iso-8859-13. (i tried to switch on quoted printable and Base 64 > coding but it does not work also.We still think problem is in Mailman > and exclusively in 2.1.5 version because ealier version worked well. One last time -- re-read the section previously quoted to you by Mark. *plonk* -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From rimga at ktl.mii.lt Mon Aug 30 18:20:21 2004 From: rimga at ktl.mii.lt (Rimgaudas Laucius) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:20:21 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem References: <001b01c48e8b$ee810e10$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM> <006401c48e94$af1e0260$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM> <20040830091043.O47978@pooh.ASARian.org> Message-ID: <01cc01c48ead$3f256c00$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fuzzy" To: "Rimgaudas Laucius" Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem > > > I think you're missing what Mark and Brad are saying. > > By putting non-ascii characters, (things not in the US-ASCII > character set), in the subject, you're forcing your MUA to > translate them into the "gibberish" you've been talking about. > > If you do not put those characters in the subject, > the MUA does not have to convert them to be standards > compliant. > > Mailman has nothing to do with what characters you choose > to put in the subject field, (which are restricted by > standards). Exactly!!! Mailman has nothing to do with message. It gets correct coded message with only ASCII characters and it needs only forward it to mailing list participants, but it rejects. And problem is that it scans message subject and if finds ?windows goes madden. I want to note that many people uses windows coding and you could not force them all to switch to ISO. From msapiro at value.net Mon Aug 30 18:42:10 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:42:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem In-Reply-To: <01cc01c48ead$3f256c00$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM> Message-ID: Rimgaudas Laucius wrote: > >Exactly!!! Mailman has nothing to do with message. It gets correct coded message with only ASCII characters and it needs only forward it to mailing list participants, but it rejects. And problem is that it scans message subject and if finds ?windows goes madden. >I want to note that many people uses windows coding and you could not force them all to switch to ISO. > Previously you wrote: > >It only an example with windows-1275 (sic) cp. The same result if i code letter with iso-8859-13. (i tried to switch on quoted printable and Base 64 coding but it does not work also.We still think problem is in Mailman and exclusively in 2.1.5 version because ealier version worked well. > Now you seem to be saying that if you specify iso-8859-13 as the characterset of your message, Mailman accepts and delivers it, but if you specify windows-1257 Mailman discards the message. Which is it? If messages are being discarded solely because they specify windows-1257 charset and not if they specify iso-8859-13, then this would seem to be a Mailman bug. I have done some testing with Mailman 2.1.4 (haven't upgraded to 2.1.5 yet) and I can't duplicate your problem. If I send a post with an 8-bit character in the subject (not encoded), the Bcc: I send myself comes back with the raw 8-bit character in the subject and the list post coms back with the subject encoded as: Subject: [Test] =?iso-8859-1?q?trying_to_screw_it_up_-=3E=C0=3C-_bad_char?= =?iso-8859-1?q?acter?= I don't know if Mailman or some MTA along the way did this. Likewise if I send a post with your example windows-1257 subject, i.e. Subject: =?windows-1257?Q?=E0=FEe=E1=F8=EB=E6=FB?= the Bcc: comes back the same, but the list post comes back with the quoted-printable encoding changed to base64, i.e. Subject: [Test] =?windows-1257?b?4P5l4fjr5vs=?= and the subject appears to be properly rendered in Baltic characters in the lists archive. Have you looked at the Mailman error log to see if there is anything there for the discarded posts? If in fact, Mailman is discarding properly encoded messages, then this would appear to be a bug that should be reported at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103 (note that there is already a possibly related bug report at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=965706&group_id=103&atid=100103 -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From SHowley at fsmb.org Mon Aug 30 22:07:41 2004 From: SHowley at fsmb.org (Scott Howley (FSMB)) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:07:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatted email issues Message-ID: I am attempting to send an HTML formatted newsletter using Mailman with MS Outlook as the client with no success; the HTML code is always stripped out. I have read the FAQ and searched the archives but have not found the solution to my problem. Has anyone had any luck with using Mailman and Outlook to send HTML formatted email? Any suggestions on solving this problem would be greatly appreciated. From dave at difference.com.au Mon Aug 30 21:26:42 2004 From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 03:26:42 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail Message-ID: Anyone using mailman successfully with qmail and the qmail-to-mailman.py script? I seem to have it all set up, but it just doesn't quite work, I keep getting messages that suggest it gets two Delivered-To lines and gives up. Regards David From: MAILER-DAEMON at mail.readylist.com.au To: dave at difference.com.au Subject: failure notice Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail.readylist.com.au. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : This message is looping: it already has my Delivered-To line. (#5.4.6) --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8173 invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2004 10:54:40 -0000 Delivered-To: mailman at myserver.com.au Received: (qmail 8138 invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2004 10:29:40 -0000 Delivered-To: test at myserver.com.au Received: (qmail 8124 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 10:25:49 -0000 Received: from www.jmcs.net.au (HELO legba.difference.com.au) (202.0.185.54) by myserver.com.au with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 10:25:49 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.34] (CPE-141-168-116-131.wa.bigpond.net.au [141.168.116.131]) by legba.difference.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11/Debian-5) with ESMTP id i7UA27Wr002037 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:02:08 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:03:06 +0800 To: test at mail.readylist.com.au From: David Cake Subject: log this test? 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" A TEST From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Aug 30 22:22:03 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:22:03 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatted email issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:07 PM -0500 2004-08-30, Scott Howley (FSMB) wrote: > I am attempting to send an HTML formatted newsletter using Mailman with MS > Outlook as the client with no success; the HTML code is always stripped out. > I have read the FAQ and searched the archives but have not found the > solution to my problem. Has anyone had any luck with using Mailman and > Outlook to send HTML formatted email? Searching the FAQ and the archives, you should have run across the FAQ entry at which is related to this subject. Before you go to the "Content Filter" page for the list you're administrating and change any of the options which modify how HTML-formatted e-mail is sent, you should read this page. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From msapiro at value.net Mon Aug 30 22:37:45 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:37:45 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatted email issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Scott Howley (FSMB) wrote: >I am attempting to send an HTML formatted newsletter using Mailman with MS >Outlook as the client with no success; the HTML code is always stripped out. >I have read the FAQ and searched the archives but have not found the >solution to my problem. Has anyone had any luck with using Mailman and >Outlook to send HTML formatted email? > Go to the Content Filtering admin page for your list and read the description. Pay particular attention to the sentence "Then, each multipart/alternative section will be replaced by just the first alternative that is non-empty after filtering." This means that if you are filtering at all, and if you allow both text/plain and text/html (and multipart/alternative), then Mailman will select the text/plain part from a multipart/alternative group with a text/plain part. Assuming you have some reason to filter content and allow HTML and therefore don't want to turn filtering off, you have to arrange for Outlook to send HTML only, not both HTML and plain text. You also want to be sure that "convert html to plaintext" is "no". -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From lists at viplist.us Mon Aug 30 23:18:47 2004 From: lists at viplist.us (Lloyd Tennison) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:18:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim Filters - local_suffix Problem Message-ID: I have been trying to figure this out for a couple of weeks now, got some help, but nothing seems to work. I wish to forward bounce messages that come in from Mailman to both the Mailman processor and another local account. I have tried using the filter as per Exim Spec. 42.7 userforward: driver = redirect check_local_user file = $home/.forward local_part_suffix = -* local_part_suffix_optional allow_filter It runs a user's .forward file for all local parts of the form *username-**. Within the filter file the user can distinguish different cases by testing the variable $local_part_suffix. For example: if $local_part_suffix contains -special then save /home/$local_part/Mail/special endif by both the given example and and by substituting a "deliver me at mymail.com" in place of the save command. I am also set an absolute path "/home/user/mail/special". Any way I try it, I always receive: unable to set gid=32044 or uid=32043 and mailman_userforward router (recipient is catchall at servername.com): failure to transfer data from subprocess: status=0100 readerror='No such file or directory' - when the file directory does exist. I cannot try to test local (using exim -d ) as since that is a local account the routers treat differently. I have tried using vfilers - but it never seems to get there - because of the local domain issue. It also seems that I cannot do a -d-all in the startup daemon - as it looks like Cpanel does not compile with the debug option on - as no debug info shows up and the daemon shows it being run. I have set permissions to 644 and gave owner/group to owner/owner, owner/mail and owner/nobody. I have tried putting quotes around the match, i.e. special in this example and have tried doing a match on $local_part. All give the same response. Any help would be appreciated. I do not even have to do it this way - just any way that will work. Oh, I have removed the -bounces from the mailman_virtual_router - otherwise the message would never go anywhere other than to mailman's command structure through the special mailman_virtual_transport. If could have transport point (go to) both a command and a local account, that would also solve my problem. From dave at difference.com.au Mon Aug 30 22:29:07 2004 From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:29:07 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom header Message-ID: Is there any way to add a custom mail header for a list? Regards David From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Aug 30 23:35:26 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:35:26 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 4:29 AM +0800 2004-08-31, David Cake wrote: > Is there any way to add a custom mail header for a list? You can modify the templates provided on a per-list/per-language basis, but beyond that you need to modify the source code itself. Had you searched the Mailman FAQ at , you should have found the entry at which addresses this general subject. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From wheakory at isu.edu Tue Aug 31 00:32:13 2004 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:32:13 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Scrubber features Message-ID: <4133AAED.2040107@isu.edu> Does Scrubber have the capibility of allowing attachments through that are a certain size? I know once you configure Scrubber and put it in action in Mailman, it will strip every attachment. This will not work for me, I would like to have Scrubber only strip attachments if there over a certain size. Has anyone developed this in Mailman yet? -- Kory Wheatley Academic Computing Analyst Sr. Phone 282-3874 ######################################### Everything must point to him. From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com Tue Aug 31 01:33:24 2004 From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:33:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8/30/04 7:31 AM, Brad Knowles at brad at stop.mail-abuse.org wrote: > At 3:24 PM +0200 2004-08-30, Rimgaudas Laucius wrote: > >> It only an example with windows-1275 cp. The same result if i code letter >> with iso-8859-13. (i tried to switch on quoted printable and Base 64 >> coding but it does not work also.We still think problem is in Mailman >> and exclusively in 2.1.5 version because ealier version worked well. > > One last time -- re-read the section previously quoted to you by Mark. Everybody step back and calm down, then re-read exactly what the original poster said in each of his notes. We have a poster for whom English is clearly not his first language and he may be having trouble expressing himself clearly. His followup had quite a bit of different information and I think some of you are responding to what you think he's saying, colored by his original post, rather than what he's actually saying. Yes, his first post talked about having characters in the Subject that were in the [128..255] range. But, in his followup, he then posted: > We have tested source text of the message sent from our MUA. The subject > field was > =?windows-1257?Q?=E0=FEe=E1=F8=EB=E6=FB?= > So, all characters in ASCII and this mesaage did not go through Mailman. So > the problem is not in MUA. As he says, all the characters we see in that subject line are in US-ASCII. If they are, why is the message a problem? He believes his MUA is only passing on appropriate ASCII characters. But I suspect that this is yet another program taking characters in [128..255] and trying to display them as US-ASCII. Or, the question marks could represent undisplayable characters outside the acceptable range. Without dumping the original file, it's hard to know what's really there and what's the result of some program trying to turn something undisplayable into something that's displayable. -- Larry Stone larry at stonejongleux.com http://www.stonejongleux.com/ From dbacon at mail.owls.lib.wi.us Tue Aug 31 02:04:08 2004 From: dbacon at mail.owls.lib.wi.us (Dave Bacon) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:04:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble Sending Attachments to MailMan Lists with Eudora 6 Message-ID: <4133C078.3000800@mail.owls.lib.wi.us> Hello, Last month we started to provide a MailMan (version 2.1.5) list for Public Libraries in Wisconsin. Sending messages with binary attachments (like Excel files) to MailMan lists with Eudora 6 seems to be problematic. The problem does not occur in testing with Netscape or Mozilla email clients. Many of our list subscribers stated that the attachment had become part of the text message as a large random table of text. Here is a sample of the problem: --=====================_209060==_ Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="filename.xls"; x-mac-type="584C5334"; x-mac-creator="5843454C" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="filename.xls" 0M8R4KGxGuEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPgADAP7/CQAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAHgAAAAAAAAAA EAAA/v///wAAAAD+////AAAAAB0AAAD///////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////8J CBAAAAYFAF4fzQfZAAEABgEAAOEAAgCwBMEAAgAAAOIAAABcAHAABwAAcGJkYXZpcyAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIEIAAgCwBGEBAgAAAMABAAA9AQgA BAABAAIAAwC Has anyone experienced this before? Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Dave Bacon - OWLS -- _________________________________________ Dave G. Bacon Computer Network Manager Outagamie Waupaca Library System 225 N. Oneida St., Appleton, WI 54911 920/832-6193(voice), 920/832-6422(FAX) mailto:dbacon at mail.owls.lib.wi.us http://www.owls.lib.wi.us _________________________________________ From msapiro at value.net Tue Aug 31 03:08:59 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:08:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble Sending Attachments to MailMan Lists withEudora 6 In-Reply-To: <4133C078.3000800@mail.owls.lib.wi.us> Message-ID: Dave Bacon wrote: > >Sending messages with binary attachments >(like Excel files) to MailMan lists with Eudora 6 seems to be >problematic. The problem does not occur in testing with Netscape or >Mozilla email clients. Many of our list subscribers stated that the >attachment had become part of the text message as a large random table >of text. Here is a sample of the problem: > >--=====================_209060==_ >Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="filename.xls"; > x-mac-type="584C5334"; x-mac-creator="5843454C" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 >Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="filename.xls" > >0M8R4KGxGuEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPgADAP7/CQAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAHgAAAAAAAAAA >EAAA/v///wAAAAD+////AAAAAB0AAAD///////////////////////////////////////////// >//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// This is exactly what a MIME base64 encoded attachment looks like in a raw message. The question is - is it being seen this way because the recipient's MUA doesn't recognize the MIME format or because the overall MIME structure of the message has been corrupted somewhere along the way. Whether or not the MIME structure is corrupted cannot be answered from your excerpt. You'd have to see the entire raw message including the main headers and the sub-part headers to determine that. However, if SOME list subscribers see the attachment as an attachment, and they're not all using the same broken MUA, then the problem is likely in the MUA's of the people who don't see the attachment as such. OTOH, if all or almost all recipients see the raw base64 part as above, then the structure of the message is probably being corrupted and Mailman may or may not be involved in this. The fact that it only happens with messages from Eudora 6 might implicate Eudora, but it's hard to say. I just tested sending a message with an attached binary file from Eudora 5.2 through Mailman 2.1.4 and the attachment came through as it should. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Tue Aug 31 03:23:59 2004 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:23:59 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem In-Reply-To: <001b01c48e8b$ee810e10$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM> References: <001b01c48e8b$ee810e10$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM> Message-ID: <4133D32F.5060203@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, > > We have tested source text of the message sent from our MUA. The subject > field was > > =?windows-1257?Q?=E0=FEe=E1=F8=EB=E6=FB?= > > So, all characters in ASCII and this mesaage did not go through Mailman. So the problem is not in MUA. > What version of Python are you using ? In Python2.1, 'windows-1257' is not defiend while it is defined in 2.2/3. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Aug 31 04:00:27 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:00:27 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble Sending Attachments to MailMan Lists withEudora 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 6:08 PM -0700 2004-08-30, Mark Sapiro wrote: > OTOH, if all or almost all recipients see the raw base64 part as above, > then the structure of the message is probably being corrupted and > Mailman may or may not be involved in this. The fact that it only > happens with messages from Eudora 6 might implicate Eudora, but it's > hard to say. I just tested sending a message with an attached binary > file from Eudora 5.2 through Mailman 2.1.4 and the attachment came > through as it should. I use Eudora 6 myself, and I've never seen problems like this when posting messages with attachments through mailing lists that allow them. I've never had anyone complain that the resulting message munged, either. I doubt the problem is with Eudora. There might be a mis-configured MTA somewhere along the line, however. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jwt at onjapan.net Tue Aug 31 04:45:19 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:45:19 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim Filters - local_suffix Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Aug 31, 2004, at 06:18, Lloyd Tennison wrote: > I have been trying to figure this out for a couple of weeks now, got > some help, but nothing seems to work. I wish to forward bounce > messages that come in from Mailman to both the Mailman processor and > another local account. I have tried using the filter as per Exim > Spec. 42.7 I've done something similar, but I used the Exim system filter (as suggested by the Exim Spec 42.9) rather than a user filter. I presume your method is failing because Exim has given up its system privileges by the time it runs the user filter. > by both the given example and and by substituting a "deliver > me at mymail.com" in place of the save command. I am also set an > absolute path "/home/user/mail/special". Any way I try it, I always > receive: unable to set gid=32044 or uid=32043 and mailman_userforward > router (recipient is catchall at servername.com): failure to transfer > data from subprocess: status=0100 readerror='No such file or > directory' - when the file directory does exist. > [...] > I have set permissions to 644 and gave owner/group to owner/owner, > owner/mail and owner/nobody. I have tried putting quotes around the > match, i.e. special in this example and have tried doing a match on > $local_part. All give the same response. Where owner is uid:32043? > Any help would be appreciated. I do not even have to do it this way - > just any way that will work. Another approach might be to make a separate mailman_bounce_transport that looked like the normal mailman_transport, but which also included the shadow_transport option, specifying a simple transport that did nothing but file the message. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From dave at difference.com.au Tue Aug 31 06:42:19 2004 From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:42:19 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:35 PM +0200 30/8/04, Brad Knowles wrote: >At 4:29 AM +0800 2004-08-31, David Cake wrote: > >> Is there any way to add a custom mail header for a list? > > You can modify the templates provided on a >per-list/per-language basis, but beyond that you need to modify the >source code itself. I guess my questions really is 'do the existing per-list customisation options include any way of changes to the mail headers beyond what is already accessible from the GUI?' And, as a followup, if it requires source code level changes, is there a sane and sensible way of doing these on a per list basis so my installation remains upgradable? I know python, but I'm in no hurry to make by installation unmaintainable. Alternatively, has anyone else managed to tackle the same problem by an alternative route, say procmail, or via their MTA rules (postfix in my case, despite my other thread). > > Had you searched the Mailman FAQ at >, you should have found >the entry at > >which addresses this general subject. I did. It told me mailman wasn't a CRM and I shouldn't expect to do any customisation on an individual message basis (apart from VERP) which I was already pretty clear on. I don't want complex per user customisation (which the FAQ entry was pretty clear I wouldn't get), I want simple per list customisation (which the FAQ entry left me a bit unsure about). Cheers David From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Aug 31 10:06:08 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:06:08 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:42 PM +0800 2004-08-31, David Cake wrote: > I guess my questions really is 'do the existing per-list > customisation options include any way of changes to the mail headers > beyond what is already accessible from the GUI?' You can change the templates, but I don't recall off the top of my head whether that allows you to change the headers used within the message. I don't think it does, but I might be wrong. To change the templates, you'll need to have command-line access to the server. Modifying these is not possible from the web admin interface. > And, as a followup, if it requires source code level changes, is > there a sane and sensible way of doing these on a per list basis so > my installation remains upgradable? I know python, but I'm in no > hurry to make by installation unmaintainable. On a per-list basis? No. If you wanted to make modifications to the headers, you'd either have to make a single change in a central place that is reflected in all the headers on all the lists, or you'd have to invent your own infrastructure to support a per-list mechanism for changing/adding headers. > Alternatively, has anyone else managed to tackle the same problem by > an alternative route, say procmail, or via their MTA rules (postfix in > my case, despite my other thread). Procmail would be one potential solution, but I don't recall of having heard anyone say that they'd done this sort of thing before. Of course, now that I've said this, I'm hoping that someone else will pipe up and tell me that I'm wrong. > I did. It told me mailman wasn't a CRM and I shouldn't expect to do > any customisation on an individual message basis (apart from VERP) which > I was already pretty clear on. I don't want complex per user customisation > (which the FAQ entry was pretty clear I wouldn't get), I want simple per > list customisation (which the FAQ entry left me a bit unsure about). Then the FAQ entry must have left you with an incorrect impression, because through modifying the templates, you can make changes to the message bodies, and that can be done on a per-list basis. Moreover, those message bodies are capable of using variable substitution field names on a per-user basis. This is how we create the footers on some mailing lists that will have a link direct to your user login page for the list in question. But there are limits to what you can do. That is the key impression that I had hoped to leave with the FAQ entries on this subject. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From s.aslan at zonnet.nl Tue Aug 31 13:16:23 2004 From: s.aslan at zonnet.nl (s.aslan at zonnet.nl) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:16:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-mail configuration Message-ID: <1093950983.41345e07cb21f@webmail.zonnet.nl> Hi, I have intall the mailman and configured it but i can't get receive email from the users. How do i need configure it? Savas -- _____________________________________________________________________ Zon Gratis ADSL. De voordelen van gratis internet met de snelheid van ADSL. Zonder abonnementskosten en zonder vast contract. Je betaalt alleen voor de tijd online. Nu zonder aansluitkosten en met gratis modem. Bestel snel op zonnet.nl. From djerome at novell.com Tue Aug 31 15:13:25 2004 From: djerome at novell.com (Jerome Dsilva) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 07:13:25 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to subscribe after confirmation Message-ID: Hi, Till yesterday my setup of mailman 2.0.14-18 was working which was running on SUSE Enterprise 8. All of a sudden, it's giving straneg problems... Now, if any mail is sent to the list, it doesn't reach the recipients. I checked all the logs and even tried creating a new mailing list but that too didnot work out.. Here is what I did with the newlist. Created the new list.. Added the aliases.. Got the mail upon list creation Subscribed to the list through my different email address. Checked in the ~mailman/logs/subscribe.. it shows as pending Received a confirmation mail - so that the subscription can be validated. Sent reply mail confirming the same.. But the log still shows as pending and not as new.. Please help me with getting this setup up and running Thanks Jerome From urnerk at qwest.net Mon Aug 30 08:54:16 2004 From: urnerk at qwest.net (Kirby Urner) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:54:16 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Status of RSS generated by mailman? Message-ID: <20040830065417.3D7511E4002@bag.python.org> I'm reading docs, seeing details of a patch making its way towards acceptance, that would give us RSS feeds pointing pack into mailman archives. The trail sort of fades in 2003. https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=657951&group_id=10 3&atid=300103 The RSS feature isn't mentioned anywhere as included. Is it still viable to use the patch anyway? Is work on this dead for now? Kirby From van.roon at hccnet.nl Tue Aug 31 10:55:46 2004 From: van.roon at hccnet.nl (Grafisch Design van Roon) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:55:46 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman: How can we send a newsletter to our customers? Message-ID: <000001c48f38$4e451fb0$292ffb3e@userfaekc32ugz> Shortly we have activated our mailinglist and it works, but we don't know how we can attach an (HTML) newsletter to our customers who are on the list. We want to send a monthly newsletter, can you help us. On www.list.org I cannot find anything of topics where I can find an answer how to send a newsletter. Regard, Ineke van Roon Grafisch Design van Roon Ineke van Roon Pieter Acker 107 1965 SR Heemskerk T*31 251-252216 F*31 251-252134 E van.roon at hccnet.nl W http://home.hccnet.nl/van.roon/ From chris at schoeppi.net Tue Aug 31 17:46:46 2004 From: chris at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:46:46 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using python format strings Message-ID: <20040831154646.GA2222@athlon.schoeppi.net> Hi! I want to customize our mailman installation (2.1.5) and need to edit the languange templates for that. I've read the docu how to use the python format strings but especialy the %(host_name)s string does not work in every template. I want to use %(host_name)s in the verify.txt template, but the format string is not translated into the hostname. On the other site %(host_name)s works fine for example in subscribeack.txt. Can't I use evry python format string in evry template? Is this problem known or is it a bug? Or am I doing something wrong? Also I saw the format string %(hostname)s in some templates, for example in subauth.txt (English or German). I tryed this also with verify.txt but it doesn't work too. Whats the different between both python format strings and are both correct? Witch format string shall I use? betweenn %(hostname)s and %(host_name)s? Can someone help me out of this format string confusion? Thanks, Schoeppi -- Protestiert bitte mit gegen die Streichung des Blindengeldes in Niedersachsen und unterschreibt auf folgender Seite: http://www.blindenverband.de/bmb/petition.php Die Einsparungen auf den R?cken sozial schw?cherer m?ssen aufh?ren... From henry.olders at mcgill.ca Tue Aug 31 17:59:52 2004 From: henry.olders at mcgill.ca (Henry Olders) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:59:52 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-mail configuration In-Reply-To: <1093950983.41345e07cb21f@webmail.zonnet.nl> References: <1093950983.41345e07cb21f@webmail.zonnet.nl> Message-ID: On 31 Aug 2004, at 7:16, s.aslan at zonnet.nl wrote: > Hi, > > I have intall the mailman and configured it but i can't get receive > email from > the users. How do i need configure it? > > Savas > Savas, can you provide additional information, eg what MTA (mail transport agent) you are using, are you behind a firewall, what does your maillog show, does your ISP block port 25? Henry From edg at greenberg.org Tue Aug 31 18:39:31 2004 From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 09:39:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Block attachments before testing for non-member Message-ID: <867A11F1C097C34831F3341B@L0006T4H251.palm1.palmone.com> Many things show up as "mail from non-member" which contain nothing but a forbidden attachment. Can we run through the content filter BEFORE testing for membership so that this cr*p just gets discarded? Thanks, From jaz at ofbiz.org Tue Aug 31 19:17:52 2004 From: jaz at ofbiz.org (A.Zeneski) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:17:52 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Subscriptions (2.1.5) Message-ID: I have installed Mailman 2.1.5 used the mass add to subscribe a bunch of existing users, all received a confirmation regarding their subscription. However, when a new user subscribes no confirmation email is sent and since the list(s) require confirmation, none of the new users are getting subscribed. I look in 'logs/subscribe' and see a TON of pending requests, but none have been confirmed. I tested this myself with a different email address and sure enough I did not receive anything from the mail server. Can anyone help me out, I have no idea where to even begin looking to get this solved. Just for the record, all users who are currently subscribed can post just fine. The lists are quite active, so the only problem seems to be the new subscription email doesn't seem to be sent. I see no records in 'logs/smtp' for sending out the confirmations. Though, I am not sure if that gets logged here or not. Please help! From jaz at ofbiz.org Tue Aug 31 19:25:38 2004 From: jaz at ofbiz.org (A.Zeneski) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:25:38 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Subscriptions (2.1.5) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As a followup to this message, I have also discovered that no administrative emails are being sent. We have a bunch of messages which are pending approval which no email has been sent to either the poster or the admins regarding the post. Where should I be looking to solve this? On Aug 31, 2004, at 1:17 PM, A.Zeneski wrote: > I have installed Mailman 2.1.5 used the mass add to subscribe a bunch > of existing users, all received a confirmation regarding their > subscription. > > However, when a new user subscribes no confirmation email is sent and > since the list(s) require confirmation, none of the new users are > getting subscribed. > > I look in 'logs/subscribe' and see a TON of pending requests, but none > have been confirmed. I tested this myself with a different email > address and sure enough I did not receive anything from the mail > server. > > Can anyone help me out, I have no idea where to even begin looking to > get this solved. Just for the record, all users who are currently > subscribed can post just fine. The lists are quite active, so the only > problem seems to be the new subscription email doesn't seem to be > sent. > > I see no records in 'logs/smtp' for sending out the confirmations. > Though, I am not sure if that gets logged here or not. > > Please help! From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Aug 31 20:26:24 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:26:24 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Status of RSS generated by mailman? In-Reply-To: <20040830065417.3D7511E4002@bag.python.org> References: <20040830065417.3D7511E4002@bag.python.org> Message-ID: At 11:54 PM -0700 2004-08-29, Kirby Urner wrote: > The RSS feature isn't mentioned anywhere as included. Is it still viable to > use the patch anyway? Is work on this dead for now? This is the first I recall hearing of it. Have you asked the author of the patch what they know about the status of this? From reading the patch description, it looks like it was hoped that this would go into 2.1-final, which was quite a while ago. I doubt that the patch will apply to 2.1.5, but you could always give it a try. Alternatively, you could try applying the patch against 2.1.0, which is more likely to be successful, but then that would saddle you with an old Mailman version which is known to have a number of problems. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Aug 31 20:31:09 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:31:09 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman: How can we send a newsletter to our customers? In-Reply-To: <000001c48f38$4e451fb0$292ffb3e@userfaekc32ugz> References: <000001c48f38$4e451fb0$292ffb3e@userfaekc32ugz> Message-ID: At 10:55 AM +0200 2004-08-31, Grafisch Design van Roon wrote: > Shortly we have activated our mailinglist and it works, but we don't > know how we can attach an (HTML) newsletter to our customers who are on > the list. We want to send a monthly newsletter, can you help us. On > www.list.org I cannot find anything of topics > where I can find an answer how to send a newsletter. You should see the Mailman FAQ at . You should also search the Mailman FAQ Wizard at . If you go to , you will get an index page of all FAQs currently in the FAQ Wizard database. If you read the FAQs listed above, you will run into a number of entries which are relevant to your question. One is . Note that sending HTML-formatted e-mail causes a lot of problems for many users, so you should also see , , and . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Aug 31 20:34:23 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:34:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Block attachments before testing for non-member In-Reply-To: <867A11F1C097C34831F3341B@L0006T4H251.palm1.palmone.com> References: <867A11F1C097C34831F3341B@L0006T4H251.palm1.palmone.com> Message-ID: At 9:39 AM -0700 2004-08-31, Ed Greenberg wrote: > Many things show up as "mail from non-member" which contain nothing but > a forbidden attachment. Can we run through the content filter BEFORE > testing for membership so that this cr*p just gets discarded? You can't change the order in which these operations are performed. However, you can configure attachment stripping so that any message which does not meet your criteria will automatically be discarded or rejected, as opposed to being forwarded to the list owner. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Aug 31 20:37:30 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:37:30 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Subscriptions (2.1.5) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:17 PM -0400 2004-08-31, A.Zeneski wrote: > However, when a new user subscribes no confirmation email is sent and > since the list(s) require confirmation, none of the new users are > getting subscribed. > > I look in 'logs/subscribe' and see a TON of pending requests, but none > have been confirmed. I tested this myself with a different email > address and sure enough I did not receive anything from the mail server. Sounds to me like this might be the classic redirect problem. See . If you have searched the FAQ Wizard on this topic, can you tell me what terms you searched for? That information may help us modify the relevant FAQ entries so that it is easier for the next person to find the answer to their question. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Aug 31 20:32:07 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:32:07 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using python format strings In-Reply-To: <20040831154646.GA2222@athlon.schoeppi.net> References: <20040831154646.GA2222@athlon.schoeppi.net> Message-ID: At 5:46 PM +0200 2004-08-31, Christian Schoepplein wrote: > I've read the docu how to use the python format strings but especialy > the %(host_name)s string does not work in every template. I want to use > %(host_name)s in the verify.txt template, but the format string is not > translated into the hostname. On the other site %(host_name)s works fine > for example in subscribeack.txt. Hmm. Do you have full personalization turned on? Are you configured to VERP every message? -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From mailman-user at divebums.com Tue Aug 31 21:11:25 2004 From: mailman-user at divebums.com (John) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:11:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] All AOL members not receiving emails Message-ID: <8DCBBD50-FB81-11D8-A8B6-003065B73AC4@divebums.com> Hello, Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere... I searched the archives and didn't find it. Did AOL make some major change affecting Mailman a couple weeks ago? I have a Mailman 2.1.5 list with 46 AOL members, all of whom appear to have stopped receiving list messages. Anyone know anything about this? We haven't gotten any bounces, but have noticed the pattern of AOL subscribers asking us why we cut them off... so we're checking all AOL subscribers on the list and so far not one is receiving. (It's possible that we'll get a bunch of confirmations later, but so far nothing...) Is there some setting we need to tweak? Have been running for years and no problems other than the usual AOL spam controls getting tweaked without the AOL subscriber's knowledge... but before it was always on a case-by-case basis and we got bounces back... Thanks, John 600 member San Diego scuba diving list From jaz at ofbiz.org Tue Aug 31 21:15:26 2004 From: jaz at ofbiz.org (A.Zeneski) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:15:26 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Subscriptions (2.1.5) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D28829C-FB82-11D8-AB8D-000A95DA1A7C@ofbiz.org> Brad, Thanks for the quick reply. I have been searching mailing list archives and the faq for keywords such as no confirmation email, no moderation email, no admin email, etc I checked out the link you posted and it didn't make much sense to me. Users are able to request the subscription and I see the entry in the log for the pending subscription. All admin commands seem to save and existing users are able to remove themselves from the list. What isn't happening is any email besides posts to the mailing lists are being sent out. I just find this odd as some mail goes out (posts) and others do not (single emails). I am not sure where to look next. I have also test this: bash-2.04$ bin/withlist -l users Loading list users (locked) The variable `m' is the users MailList instance >>> print m.NumRequestsPending() 6 >>> Unlocking (but not saving) list: users Finalizing bash-2.04$ /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs bash-2.04$ But never receive any email stating that there are messages needing attention, don't see any errors or even logs records in any of the mailman log files nor in messages or maillog. It just doesn't appear to be trying to send anything out, and it is really strange to me. Please if you have any suggestions on what to check I am sure it is probably a silly configuration issue. -Andy On Aug 31, 2004, at 2:37 PM, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 1:17 PM -0400 2004-08-31, A.Zeneski wrote: > >> However, when a new user subscribes no confirmation email is sent and >> since the list(s) require confirmation, none of the new users are >> getting subscribed. >> >> I look in 'logs/subscribe' and see a TON of pending requests, but >> none >> have been confirmed. I tested this myself with a different email >> address and sure enough I did not receive anything from the mail >> server. > > Sounds to me like this might be the classic redirect problem. See > req=show&file=faq04.045.htp>. > > If you have searched the FAQ Wizard on this topic, can you tell me > what terms you searched for? That information may help us modify the > relevant FAQ entries so that it is easier for the next person to find > the answer to their question. > > -- > Brad Knowles, > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jaz at ofbiz.org Tue Aug 31 21:20:40 2004 From: jaz at ofbiz.org (A.Zeneski) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:20:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Subscriptions (2.1.5) In-Reply-To: <1D28829C-FB82-11D8-AB8D-000A95DA1A7C@ofbiz.org> References: <1D28829C-FB82-11D8-AB8D-000A95DA1A7C@ofbiz.org> Message-ID: In addition the /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds command did not send anything either. But as I said before mailing list posts have been coming in fine. On Aug 31, 2004, at 3:15 PM, A.Zeneski wrote: > Brad, > > Thanks for the quick reply. I have been searching mailing list > archives and the faq for keywords such as no confirmation email, no > moderation email, no admin email, etc > > I checked out the link you posted and it didn't make much sense to me. > Users are able to request the subscription and I see the entry in the > log for the pending subscription. All admin commands seem to save and > existing users are able to remove themselves from the list. > > What isn't happening is any email besides posts to the mailing lists > are being sent out. I just find this odd as some mail goes out (posts) > and others do not (single emails). > > I am not sure where to look next. I have also test this: > > > bash-2.04$ bin/withlist -l users > Loading list users (locked) > The variable `m' is the users MailList instance > >>> print m.NumRequestsPending() > 6 > >>> > Unlocking (but not saving) list: users > Finalizing > bash-2.04$ /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs > bash-2.04$ > > But never receive any email stating that there are messages needing > attention, don't see any errors or even logs records in any of the > mailman log files nor in messages or maillog. > > It just doesn't appear to be trying to send anything out, and it is > really strange to me. Please if you have any suggestions on what to > check I am sure it is probably a silly configuration issue. > > -Andy > > On Aug 31, 2004, at 2:37 PM, Brad Knowles wrote: > >> At 1:17 PM -0400 2004-08-31, A.Zeneski wrote: >> >>> However, when a new user subscribes no confirmation email is sent >>> and >>> since the list(s) require confirmation, none of the new users are >>> getting subscribed. >>> >>> I look in 'logs/subscribe' and see a TON of pending requests, but >>> none >>> have been confirmed. I tested this myself with a different email >>> address and sure enough I did not receive anything from the mail >>> server. >> >> Sounds to me like this might be the classic redirect problem. See >> > req=show&file=faq04.045.htp>. >> >> If you have searched the FAQ Wizard on this topic, can you tell me >> what terms you searched for? That information may help us modify the >> relevant FAQ entries so that it is easier for the next person to find >> the answer to their question. >> >> -- >> Brad Knowles, >> >> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little >> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." >> >> -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania >> Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 >> >> SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From dave at difference.com.au Tue Aug 31 20:38:36 2004 From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 02:38:36 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:06 AM +0200 31/8/04, Brad Knowles wrote: >At 12:42 PM +0800 2004-08-31, David Cake wrote: > >> I guess my questions really is 'do the existing per-list >> customisation options include any way of changes to the mail headers >> beyond what is already accessible from the GUI?' > > You can change the templates, but I don't recall off the top >of my head whether that allows you to change the headers used within >the message. I don't think it does, but I might be wrong. It doesn't look like it does, all the template files are html or mail body text files that I can see. > To change the templates, you'll need to have command-line >access to the server. Modifying these is not possible from the web >admin interface. Doesn't editing the public html files basically change the per list templates? And thats accessible from the web interface. >> I did. It told me mailman wasn't a CRM and I shouldn't expect to do >> any customisation on an individual message basis (apart from VERP) which >> I was already pretty clear on. I don't want complex per user customisation >> (which the FAQ entry was pretty clear I wouldn't get), I want simple per >> list customisation (which the FAQ entry left me a bit unsure about). > > Then the FAQ entry must have left you with an incorrect >impression, because through modifying the templates, you can make >changes to the message bodies, and that can be done on a per-list >basis. Moreover, those message bodies are capable of using variable >substitution field names on a per-user basis. This is how we create >the footers on some mailing lists that will have a link direct to >your user login page for the list in question. What we have here is a disagreement about what constitutes simple. Adding a custom header has been simple on some other mailing list managers I have used (smartlist, for example). And as you point out, there is quite a bit of per list customisation of message body possible with mailman. Just very little header customisation, apparently. > > But there are limits to what you can do. That is the key >impression that I had hoped to leave with the FAQ entries on this >subject. Indeed. It appears I've hit one. Cheers David From dave at difference.com.au Tue Aug 31 20:46:35 2004 From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 02:46:35 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmm... turns out this exact feature is on the mailman wishlist. So I guess that answers my question. Cheers David From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Aug 31 22:00:41 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:00:41 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] All AOL members not receiving emails In-Reply-To: <8DCBBD50-FB81-11D8-A8B6-003065B73AC4@divebums.com> References: <8DCBBD50-FB81-11D8-A8B6-003065B73AC4@divebums.com> Message-ID: At 2:11 PM -0500 2004-08-31, John wrote: > Did AOL make some major change affecting Mailman a couple weeks ago? I > have a Mailman 2.1.5 list with 46 AOL members, all of whom appear to > have stopped receiving list messages. AOL has a tendency to declare that sites are sending them spam and to start silently throwing all messages away that come from that site, sometimes on the basis of a single spam complaint from a single user. Sometimes, that user is a legitimate member of a mailing list from that site, and mistakenly clicked on the wrong message and clicked the "report as spam" button. Sometimes that user doesn't remember subscribing to it, so they report the message as spam. Or, sometimes the user doesn't remember how to unsubscribe, so they report the message as spam. There's not really anything you can do about this. You are subject to the whims of the clueless AOL users and the occasional fat-finger mistake. > Is there some setting we need to tweak? Have been running for years and > no problems other than the usual AOL spam controls getting tweaked without > the AOL subscriber's knowledge... but before it was always on a > case-by-case basis and we got bounces back... The best you can do is apply to be a member of the AOL whitelist system. See . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jaz at ofbiz.org Tue Aug 31 22:05:29 2004 From: jaz at ofbiz.org (A.Zeneski) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:05:29 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Subscriptions (2.1.5) In-Reply-To: References: <1D28829C-FB82-11D8-AB8D-000A95DA1A7C@ofbiz.org> Message-ID: <1B4D9A4B-FB89-11D8-AB8D-000A95DA1A7C@ofbiz.org> Okay, I have NO idea what I did.. I changed Defaults.py to use Sendmail delivery module instead, then I started seeing a bunch of errors in the error log. I switched it back to the SMTPDirect module and all of a sudden emails started flowing through. Very, very strange! One question, I have a number of people who have pending subscription requests. Is there any way to get Mailman to re-send all of these so they can get confirmed? On Aug 31, 2004, at 3:20 PM, A.Zeneski wrote: > In addition the /usr/local/bin/python -S > /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds command did not send anything > either. > > But as I said before mailing list posts have been coming in fine. > > On Aug 31, 2004, at 3:15 PM, A.Zeneski wrote: > >> Brad, >> >> Thanks for the quick reply. I have been searching mailing list >> archives and the faq for keywords such as no confirmation email, no >> moderation email, no admin email, etc >> >> I checked out the link you posted and it didn't make much sense to >> me. Users are able to request the subscription and I see the entry in >> the log for the pending subscription. All admin commands seem to save >> and existing users are able to remove themselves from the list. >> >> What isn't happening is any email besides posts to the mailing lists >> are being sent out. I just find this odd as some mail goes out >> (posts) and others do not (single emails). >> >> I am not sure where to look next. I have also test this: >> >> >> bash-2.04$ bin/withlist -l users >> Loading list users (locked) >> The variable `m' is the users MailList instance >> >>> print m.NumRequestsPending() >> 6 >> >>> >> Unlocking (but not saving) list: users >> Finalizing >> bash-2.04$ /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs >> bash-2.04$ >> >> But never receive any email stating that there are messages needing >> attention, don't see any errors or even logs records in any of the >> mailman log files nor in messages or maillog. >> >> It just doesn't appear to be trying to send anything out, and it is >> really strange to me. Please if you have any suggestions on what to >> check I am sure it is probably a silly configuration issue. >> >> -Andy >> >> On Aug 31, 2004, at 2:37 PM, Brad Knowles wrote: >> >>> At 1:17 PM -0400 2004-08-31, A.Zeneski wrote: >>> >>>> However, when a new user subscribes no confirmation email is sent >>>> and >>>> since the list(s) require confirmation, none of the new users are >>>> getting subscribed. >>>> >>>> I look in 'logs/subscribe' and see a TON of pending requests, but >>>> none >>>> have been confirmed. I tested this myself with a different email >>>> address and sure enough I did not receive anything from the mail >>>> server. >>> >>> Sounds to me like this might be the classic redirect problem. See >>> >> req=show&file=faq04.045.htp>. >>> >>> If you have searched the FAQ Wizard on this topic, can you tell me >>> what terms you searched for? That information may help us modify >>> the relevant FAQ entries so that it is easier for the next person to >>> find the answer to their question. >>> >>> -- >>> Brad Knowles, >>> >>> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little >>> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." >>> >>> -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania >>> Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 >>> >>> SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From chris at schoeppi.net Tue Aug 31 22:23:32 2004 From: chris at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:23:32 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using python format strings In-Reply-To: References: <20040831154646.GA2222@athlon.schoeppi.net> Message-ID: <20040831202332.GA2759@athlon.schoeppi.net> Hi! On Di, Aug 31, 2004 at 08:32:07 +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 5:46 PM +0200 2004-08-31, Christian Schoepplein wrote: > > > I've read the docu how to use the python format strings but especialy > > the %(host_name)s string does not work in every template. I want to use > > %(host_name)s in the verify.txt template, but the format string is not > > translated into the hostname. On the other site %(host_name)s works fine > > for example in subscribeack.txt. > > Hmm. Do you have full personalization turned on? Are you > configured to VERP every message? Yes, all that things are working fine. And I've also found the reason for the missing %(host_name)s format string for the file verify.txt. In the file $mailmanpath/Mailman/MailList.py some template files get initialized with the format strings, that can be used inside the template files. For verify.txt the %(host_name)s format string was not set up as a property :-(. I wonder wy all often used format strings aren't availabel for all template files. In my opinion this would be a nice feature for the next release or a bugfix or what ever. What can I do to make sure, that this is changed for the next mailman release? Regards, Schoeppi -- Protestiert bitte mit gegen die Streichung des Blindengeldes in Niedersachsen und unterschreibt auf folgender Seite: http://www.blindenverband.de/bmb/petition.php Die Einsparungen auf den R?cken sozial schw?cherer m?ssen aufh?ren... From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Aug 31 23:11:50 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:11:50 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using python format strings In-Reply-To: <20040831202332.GA2759@athlon.schoeppi.net> References: <20040831154646.GA2222@athlon.schoeppi.net> <20040831202332.GA2759@athlon.schoeppi.net> Message-ID: At 10:23 PM +0200 2004-08-31, Christian Schoepplein wrote: > And I've also found the reason > for the missing %(host_name)s format string for the file verify.txt. In > the file > > $mailmanpath/Mailman/MailList.py > > some template files get initialized with the format strings, that can be > used inside the template files. For verify.txt the %(host_name)s format > string was not set up as a property :-(. If you can provide some patches, I'm sure they would be welcomed. They might even find their way into a 2.1.6 release, although that decision would have to be left to Barry. Please submit patches via the bug tracker on the Mailman project page at SourceForge. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From spamuser2 at chemtool.com Tue Aug 31 16:33:22 2004 From: spamuser2 at chemtool.com (spamuser2 at chemtool.com) Date: Tue Aug 31 16:33:22 2004 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Mailman to work properly..... Message-ID: HI all, I have installed mainman under a SuSe 9.0 system. server starts up correctly. i made a default mail list... added users to it. when I check the /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman directory is a see a digest.mbox when i edit the file. i see the pending email i've sent to the list. the problem is, they're not being propregated through the list. they're simply stored in the mbox. any hints/ideas as to what could be wrong? PS. system is running postfix/courier-imap From chris at schoeppi.net Tue Aug 31 23:35:31 2004 From: chris at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:35:31 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using python format strings In-Reply-To: References: <20040831154646.GA2222@athlon.schoeppi.net> <20040831202332.GA2759@athlon.schoeppi.net> Message-ID: <20040831213531.GA2940@athlon.schoeppi.net> Hi! On Di, Aug 31, 2004 at 11:11:50 +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 10:23 PM +0200 2004-08-31, Christian Schoepplein wrote: > > > And I've also found the reason > > for the missing %(host_name)s format string for the file verify.txt. In > > the file > > > > $mailmanpath/Mailman/MailList.py > > > > some template files get initialized with the format strings, that can be > > used inside the template files. For verify.txt the %(host_name)s format > > string was not set up as a property :-(. > > If you can provide some patches, I'm sure they would be welcomed. I'm new to python (this was the first time I changed python code) and patches and all this stuff..., but I would be glad to submit the changes. Maybe someone can give me via PM some hints or a quick step by step instruction, how I can get a diff between the old and the changed MailList.py file. > They might even find their way into a 2.1.6 release, although that > decision would have to be left to Barry. When will 2.1.6 released? > Please submit patches via the bug tracker on the Mailman project > page at SourceForge. I'll take a look at it, thanks. Ciao, Schoepp -- Protestiert bitte mit gegen die Streichung des Blindengeldes in Niedersachsen und unterschreibt auf folgender Seite: http://www.blindenverband.de/bmb/petition.php Die Einsparungen auf den R?cken sozial schw?cherer m?ssen aufh?ren... From msapiro at value.net Tue Aug 31 23:47:55 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:47:55 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Mailman to work properly..... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: spamuser2 at chemtool.com wrote: > > I have installed mainman under a SuSe 9.0 system. server starts up correctly. i made a default mail list... added users to it. > >when I check the /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman directory is a see a digest.mbox when i edit the file. i see the pending email i've sent to the list. the problem is, they're not being propregated through the list. they're simply stored in the mbox. > digests.mbox is where posts are collected for eventual inclusion in the digest. It has nothing to do with why the subscribers aren't receiving mail unless they're all subscribed in digest rather than message mode. Visit the FAQ wizzard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and see article 3.14 for some other things to check. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From macangels at spamcop.net Tue Aug 31 20:31:51 2004 From: macangels at spamcop.net (macangels at spamcop.net) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:31:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Successful Panther (MacOS X 10.3) installation Message-ID: <20040831183152.6479A1E4002@bag.python.org> steps for Mailman From: demo To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Good post on Mailman for Panther. Truth be, I am *so* unimpressed with Apple on their handling of this. May be it is just a European support issue but they have not one single clue about how it runs or what happens when it does not - except to sell you their no guaranty paid for support! I really get sick of Apple when they make a hullabaloo about " woo-woo " Open Source software and then ditch their clients with no support for it afterwards. Zilch in the kbase last time I looked. You know, for a few dollars more, they could have made this a truly Apple experience, the trouble seems to be what with the NeXT guys on one side and the marketing accountants on the other there is little Apple left! [ ... and all I am talking about is making pretty and easily customisable ]. I was / am fighting with a Server based version. Good luck, John