From bus at prayrosary.com Wed Dec 1 00:30:22 2004 From: bus at prayrosary.com (Chuck Sampair) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:30:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I am new and have a problem Message-ID: <007001c4d734$8f9cb6a0$6601a8c0@chuck> Hello, I am brand new to the list and also new at using the mailman service. I changed web host providers recently and my new host provider offers mailing lists using the mailman program. I set my list up and everything was working fine. Then about 3 days ago I sent a post through and it did not go through. Every sense then I can not get a post to go through or even receive confirmation e-mail when I subscribe a new person to the list. I went through the FAQs and I can't find anything that would help me. A lot of it is over my head as I am just a list administrator/moderator. Can someone help me figure this out? Thanks, Chuck From matt at frii.com Wed Dec 1 01:10:55 2004 From: matt at frii.com (Matt Ruzicka) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:10:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on separate web and smtp load balanced farms. Message-ID: First of all I apologize profusely for re-submitting this often talked about topic. I've been reading archives and googling and see that people keep asking similar questions, but their needs end up being a bit different so the answers offered up by the community don't quite answer what I'm looking for (as I am understanding them). My company is currently running three separate load balanced farms (all FreeBSD) - one each for web (Apache), incoming mail (Postfix) and outgoing mail (Postfix) behind virtual IP's. The SMTP farms are split because we do filtering on the incoming, while the outgoing servers have separate user needs. We would VERY much like to keep the web and incoming/outgoing mail aspects separate. I was wondering if anyone is actually doing something remotely similar to this. The outgoing aspect seems like a non-issue in that it appears we can easily configure mailman to dump all mail over to the correct outgoing mail server. The issue that is confusing me is the separation of the web and the incoming mail. I have seen lots of talk about running mailman on two different servers, and I did see a few other people offer information that indicated they are using completely separate web and mail servers, but the threads always seem to move towards solutions that merge some aspect of web and mail onto one server. I'm assuming I will be installing the mailman files onto an NFS partition, which although there is a lot of legitimate concern, it sounds like the Mailman developers have worked hard to address this. Although I'm concerned the load balanced farms, in addition to the separate servers, might be too much for any NFS locking model as it relates to Mailman. (The more I re-read this the more I realize I might be SOL.) So the big questions: 1. How are people handling incoming mail to an SMTP server separate from the web server? 2. How, if at all, are people handling the above question on a load balanced incoming SMTP farm? 3. Do people have any recommendations/warnings for running Mailman on a load balanced web farm? 4. Am I just over-complicating something (the install of Mailman) that doesn't need to be as complicated as I'm thinking (our architecture model aside. ;) )? Thank you very much for your time and consideration of this issue, it is very much appreciated. Matthew Ruzicka - Systems Administrator Front Range Internet, Inc. matt at frii.net - (970) 212-0728 Got SPAM? Take back your email with MailArmory. http://www.MailArmory.com From msapiro at value.net Wed Dec 1 01:12:31 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:12:31 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I am new and have a problem In-Reply-To: <007001c4d734$8f9cb6a0$6601a8c0@chuck> Message-ID: Chuck Sampair wrote: > >I am brand new to the list and also new at using the mailman service. I >changed web host providers recently and my new host provider offers mailing >lists using the mailman program. > >I set my list up and everything was working fine. Then about 3 days ago I >sent a post through and it did not go through. Every sense then I can not >get a post to go through or even receive confirmation e-mail when I >subscribe a new person to the list. > >I went through the FAQs and I can't find anything that would help me. A lot >of it is over my head as I am just a list administrator/moderator. > >Can someone help me figure this out? Most likely, the problem is with the Mailman service at your web host. You need to be talking with the hosting service about this. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Dec 1 01:45:45 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 01:45:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on separate web and smtp load balanced farms. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 5:10 PM -0700 2004-11-30, Matt Ruzicka wrote: > I was wondering if anyone is actually doing something remotely similar to > this. We did the same sorts of things when I was the Sr. Internet Mail Administrator for AOL, and again when I was the Sr. Systems Architect for Belgacom Skynet (the largest ISP in Belgium). Separate inbound versus outbound mail server farms is typical for larger size operations I've seen, and separate webserver farms is pretty much required. > The outgoing aspect seems like a non-issue in that it appears we can > easily configure mailman to dump all mail over to the correct outgoing > mail server. The issue that is confusing me is the separation of the web > and the incoming mail. For the mail stuff, I would recommend separating the mailing list server from the mail servers. You could still put the mailing list server "behind" the inbound mail server farm, but I'd run it as a separate beast. My preference would be to use a totally separate "hostname" for the mailing list stuff that is generic and not specific to a given product (e.g., lists.yourdomain.example.com as opposed to mailman.otherdomain.example.org). This makes mail routing really easy. For the web stuff, I'd be inclined to run a seperate "hostname" for the service, then do an Apache reverse proxy on the web server farm, pulling the content from the Mailman machine. > I have seen lots of talk about running mailman on two different servers, > and I did see a few other people offer information that indicated they are > using completely separate web and mail servers, but the threads always > seem to move towards solutions that merge some aspect of web and mail onto > one server. That is the kind of solution that tends to work best for Mailman, although due to careful programming that tries to avoid the typical pitfalls you frequently see with NFS, you should be able to mount the /usr/local/mailman filesystem from one machine to another. That's assuming you actually trust NFS for anything. > I'm assuming I will be installing the mailman files onto an NFS partition, > which although there is a lot of legitimate concern, it sounds like the > Mailman developers have worked hard to address this. Although I'm > concerned the load balanced farms, in addition to the separate servers, > might be too much for any NFS locking model as it relates to Mailman. If at all possible, I would try to avoid using NFS just because I know that I've run into weird problems with it every time I've had to deal with it. This includes experience at both AOL and Skynet, as well as plenty of other places. > 1. How are people handling incoming mail to an SMTP server separate from > the web server? MX records direct the mail traffic somewhere else. > 2. How, if at all, are people handling the above question on a load > balanced incoming SMTP farm? Load balanced? In what way? Are you trying to use DNS round-robin load-balancing, or are you actually using a proper Layer 4 Load-Balancing Switch, such as a RadWARE, F5, Alteon, etc...? If the latter, then the switch is pretty much transparent to the process. I'd use what RadWARE calls "Direct Server Return", or what some other vendors call "Server Triangulation", however. This should limit the traffic that the switch has to actually do something with down to just the SYN packets coming in to set up the TCP connection, and from that point on it's just a matter of making sure that the flows continue to go to the same MAC addresses. > 3. Do people have any recommendations/warnings for running Mailman on a > load balanced web farm? See above. I don't have anything more specific. > 4. Am I just over-complicating something (the install of Mailman) that > doesn't need to be as complicated as I'm thinking (our architecture model > aside. ;) )? I believe so, yes. I'm a big fan of the K.I.S.S. principle, and mail services in particular tend to benefit greatly from keeping things simple. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From rtaylor at purecreative.com Wed Dec 1 02:12:27 2004 From: rtaylor at purecreative.com (Ronnie Taylor) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:12:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] custom invitation message for each list Message-ID: <00f201c4d742$d381f7a0$0c32a8c0@web> is there a fairly straight forward way to create a customized invitation message for each list set up on a single mailman installation? thanks... RT From msapiro at value.net Wed Dec 1 02:36:33 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:36:33 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] custom invitation message for each list In-Reply-To: <00f201c4d742$d381f7a0$0c32a8c0@web> Message-ID: Ronnie Taylor wrote: >is there a fairly straight forward way to create a customized invitation >message for each list set up on a single mailman installation? Yes. The invitation template is invite.txt. FAQ article 4.48 (http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp) explains how to make list specific templates. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From tangomaniac at hotmail.com Wed Dec 1 03:37:20 2004 From: tangomaniac at hotmail.com (Peter Gysegem) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:37:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Tokens Message-ID: When editing the HTML for a MailMan web page, there are many tokens such as . Is there a list anywhere of these tokens and what they do? From hellbender at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 03:48:05 2004 From: hellbender at gmail.com (Zain Memon) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:48:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown user- what am I missing? Message-ID: <493443540411301848177a9377@mail.gmail.com> I have a nice list set up with Mailman and Postfix as my MTA. Everything seems to work beautifully, except for one thing. Say I have three email addresses subscribed to my list. One is from the domain hotmail.com, one is from the domain gmail.com, and one is from the domain speakeasy.net. Now I send an email to the list, and it goes through fine to the Gmail and Hotmail users. However, it never gets to the Speakeasy user. It isn't a speakeasy problem since the email doesn't get past my server. The log entry for the speakeasy one looks like this: to=<....speakeasy.net>, relay=virtual, delay=0, status=bounced (unknown user: "....speakeasy.net") The log entry for the Gmail one looks like this: to=<...gmail.com>, relay=gsmtp185.google.com[64.233.185.27], delay=0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK 1101868868) Now I think I'm missing some critical concept here. How did my mail server know what the gmail relay was? And why doesn't it know the relay for speakeasy? From jwt at onjapan.net Wed Dec 1 06:01:04 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:01:04 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove original message from -request mail response? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00956BFB-4356-11D9-A07E-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Nov 28, 2004, at 03:16, David Gibbs wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a way to NOT include the original email > when commands sent to the -request address responds? In Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py, try commenting out the section at the end of Results.send_response: msg.set_type('multipart/mixed') msg.attach(results) # orig = MIMEMessage(self.msg) # msg.attach(orig) msg.send(self.mlist) I would be concerned that doing that might make it more difficult for legitimate users to figure out what went wrong with their mail to the -request address though. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at onjapan.net Wed Dec 1 06:25:48 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:25:48 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ Wizard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75A5893E-4359-11D9-A07E-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Nov 30, 2004, at 16:23, PeteBell wrote: > How is the "FAQ Wizard" feature on your website driven? The FAQ Wizard is a small Python CGI script and is distributed with Python. (If it is not included in your particular Python distribution, you can fetch the official Python source tarball from http://www.Python.org/2.4/ The FAQ Wizard is in Tools/faqwiz/) -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From arjen-mailman at 3va.net Wed Dec 1 09:34:07 2004 From: arjen-mailman at 3va.net (arjen van drie) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:34:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] discard messages to 'mailman' list Message-ID: <41AD81FF.4040201@3va.net> Hi, I have problems to find the answer to this question: how can I discard messages that were posted to the 'mailman' list? When I visit the URL in the message with subject "30 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting", which ends in /mailman/admindb/mailman, I'm being redirected to the listinfo page. Is there a command line tool for this? Thank you, Arjen van Drie. From jwt at onjapan.net Wed Dec 1 09:49:39 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:49:39 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] discard messages to 'mailman' list In-Reply-To: <41AD81FF.4040201@3va.net> References: <41AD81FF.4040201@3va.net> Message-ID: <41AD85A3.8070204@onjapan.net> arjen van drie wrote: > how can I discard messages that were posted to the 'mailman' list? When > I visit the URL in the message with subject "30 Mailman moderator > request(s) waiting", which ends in You may want to at least glance through the messages in there, since that is where users send messages when they are having trouble with the server. (Or set it so that messages from non-members are not held, but accepted.) > /mailman/admindb/mailman, I'm being redirected to the listinfo page. Is > there a command line tool for this? It sounds like you have an Apache rewrite rule that is matching too generously. If you want to use a rewrite rule to redirect visitors to http://www.example.com/mailman on to the listinfo page, make sure it doesn't also match /mailman/admindb/mailman. Try something like: RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo From stephen at xemacs.org Wed Dec 1 10:04:32 2004 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:04:32 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Has anyone successfully installed Mailman onFedora Core 2? In-Reply-To: (Brad Knowles's message of "Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:41:04 +0100") References: <007d01c4ce5f$95410da0$14140a0a@greg> <873bysq8yc.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: <87mzwymlsv.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> >>>>> "Brad" == Brad Knowles writes: At 1:03 PM +0900 2004-11-30, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > AC_CHECK_HEADER(Python.h, , got_python_h=yes)]) > if test $got_python_h != yes -a $os = linux; then > echo 'If you're on Linux, you have the "binary distro no -devel > rpm" bug!' > echo 'Switch to an Industrial-Strength OS such as NetBSD immediately!' > echo 'Gentoo Linux will do, too.' Brad> But then you have to do this for every OS in Brad> existence. You'd have to wrap a conditional of this sort Brad> around every single file that building Mailman might Brad> require, but which is not included as part of Mailman Brad> itself. Of course you don't. The point is to test for one specific kind of brain damage that is well-known, very common, and even bites people who know what they're doing, not to mention being very confusing for newbies. You can leave out the test for Linux, and simply say "If you don't even have Python.h, you probably are missing many, many files required to build Mailman. Perhaps your OS has separate 'development' packages?" The problem is not to build a fool-proof safety net; I'll put my money on the fool, every time. The point is to forestall one particular FAQ. Brad> I'm sorry, but this is a totally non-scalable Brad> suggestion. If all we had to do was to support a single OS, Brad> that would be fine. But we can't do everyone's job for Brad> them, and if the RPM builders want to have multiple Brad> different versions of Python (or whatever else Mailman might Brad> depend on), then they need to take the responsibility of Brad> dealing with the resulting issues. Wishful thinking. By allocating the headers to the devel packages, they've already indicated that in their opinion it's somebody else's problem. I dunno what Messrs. Warsaw et cie. think, but in my experience this kind of hacking pays of in noticably reduced user frustration and somewhat reduced FAQmeister effort. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From arjen-mailman at 3va.net Wed Dec 1 10:15:06 2004 From: arjen-mailman at 3va.net (arjen van drie) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:15:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] discard messages to 'mailman' list In-Reply-To: <41AD85A3.8070204@onjapan.net> References: <41AD81FF.4040201@3va.net> <41AD85A3.8070204@onjapan.net> Message-ID: <41AD8B9A.7060300@3va.net> Jim Tittsler wrote: > arjen van drie wrote: > >> how can I discard messages that were posted to the 'mailman' list? >> When I visit the URL in the message with subject "30 Mailman >> moderator request(s) waiting", which ends in > > > You may want to at least glance through the messages in there, since > that is where users send messages when they are having trouble with > the server. (Or set it so that messages from non-members are not > held, but accepted.) > >> /mailman/admindb/mailman, I'm being redirected to the listinfo page. >> Is there a command line tool for this? > > > It sounds like you have an Apache rewrite rule that is matching too > generously. If you want to use a rewrite rule to redirect visitors to > http://www.example.com/mailman on to the listinfo page, make sure it > doesn't also match /mailman/admindb/mailman. Try something like: > > RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo > Of course, I never thought of this, I was looking at mailman internals, not at the webserver that handles the URLs. Thanks a lot, it works now. Arjen. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Dec 1 10:58:20 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:58:20 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown user- what am I missing? In-Reply-To: <493443540411301848177a9377@mail.gmail.com> References: <493443540411301848177a9377@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 6:48 PM -0800 2004-11-30, Zain Memon wrote: > The log entry for the speakeasy one looks like this: > to=<....speakeasy.net>, relay=virtual, delay=0, status=bounced > (unknown user: "....speakeasy.net") This means that the e-mail address is not valid. Either that, or the speakeasy.net mail servers are screwed up and rejecting messages that they should be accepting. Either way, this isn't your problem. > Now I think I'm missing some critical concept here. How did my mail > server know what the gmail relay was? And why doesn't it know the > relay for speakeasy? Mail servers for a given domain are advertised in the DNS using a mechanism called "MX Resource Records", sometimes known as "MX RRs" or just plain "MXes". In theory, every server or domain that is supposed to accept mail should have advertised MXes in their DNS. If you want to go to their web pages, you look up www.gmail.com in the DNS (or whatever their webserver name is), if you want to send them mail, you look up their MXes. Here's what the mail servers look like for gmail.com: % dig gmail.com. mx ; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> gmail.com. mx ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 30055 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 7 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;gmail.com. IN MX ;; ANSWER SECTION: gmail.com. 2633 IN MX 20 gsmtp57.google.com. gmail.com. 2633 IN MX 10 gsmtp171.google.com. gmail.com. 2633 IN MX 10 gsmtp185.google.com. ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: gmail.com. 10750 IN NS ns1.google.com. gmail.com. 10750 IN NS ns2.google.com. gmail.com. 10750 IN NS ns3.google.com. gmail.com. 10750 IN NS ns4.google.com. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: gsmtp57.google.com. 1848 IN A 216.239.57.27 gsmtp171.google.com. 1663 IN A 64.233.171.27 gsmtp185.google.com. 6233 IN A 64.233.185.27 ns1.google.com. 181084 IN A 216.239.32.10 ns2.google.com. 8284 IN A 216.239.34.10 ns3.google.com. 181084 IN A 216.239.36.10 ns4.google.com. 181084 IN A 216.239.38.10 ;; Query time: 228 msec ;; WHEN: Wed Dec 1 10:45:35 2004 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 292 This says that gmail.com has two advertised primary MXes (gsmtp171.google.com and gsmtp185.google.com, each with a "cost" of 10), one secondary MX (gsmtp57.google.com with a cost of 20), four advertised nameservers, and then for convenience they also go ahead and give you the IP addresses for each of the machines. If you were to try to send e-mail to gmail.com, your server should do the same type of DNS query, and assuming it got back the same answer, then it should try to contact either gsmtp171 or gsmtp185, and it should randomly choose which one to try first. If it failed to contact either of the primary MXes, then it should fall back to the secondary. The integer numbers between the host/domain name and "IN" is the "Time To Live", a.k.a., the TTL. This basically says how long the nameserver should cache this information before it re-queries from the appropriate nameservers for gmail.com/google.com. Note that the MX records shown have a low TTL of 2633 seconds (43 minutes and 53 seconds), while the NS records have a higher TTL of 10750 seconds (2 hours, 59 minutes, 10 seconds), and there are a wide range of TTLs for the various IP addresses. Some domains choose to have low TTLs for their advertised MXes as a crude way of "load balancing" across a large number of machines. Now, here's the MX records for speakeasy.net: % dig speakeasy.net. mx ; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> speakeasy.net. mx ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 10978 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 3 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;speakeasy.net. IN MX ;; ANSWER SECTION: speakeasy.net. 3600 IN MX 5 mx01.speakeasy.net. speakeasy.net. 3600 IN MX 5 mx02.speakeasy.net. ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: speakeasy.net. 1344 IN NS ns-noc.speakeasy.net. speakeasy.net. 1344 IN NS ns-sea.speakeasy.net. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: mx01.speakeasy.net. 1344 IN A 216.254.0.195 ns-noc.speakeasy.net. 7922 IN A 216.254.0.173 ns-sea.speakeasy.net. 7922 IN A 66.93.87.8 ;; Query time: 212 msec ;; WHEN: Wed Dec 1 10:56:38 2004 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 176 Summary: two mail servers of equal cost (mx01 and mx02), two nameservers (ns-noc and ns-sea), but the system currently only knows the IP addresses of three of these machines. If it wanted to talk to the fourth one, it would have to do another DNS query to get that information. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Dec 1 11:02:51 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:02:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Has anyone successfully installed Mailman onFedora Core 2? In-Reply-To: <87mzwymlsv.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <007d01c4ce5f$95410da0$14140a0a@greg> <873bysq8yc.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mzwymlsv.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: At 6:04 PM +0900 2004-12-01, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Of course you don't. The point is to test for one specific kind of > brain damage that is well-known, very common, and even bites people > who know what they're doing, not to mention being very confusing for > newbies. That's a slippery slope. Today, it's python.h. Tomorrow it may be resolv.conf. At what point do you say that you can't possibly check for every single thing on which Mailman depends, and let people who have horribly b0rken machines find out the hard way? > Wishful thinking. By allocating the headers to the devel packages, > they've already indicated that in their opinion it's somebody else's > problem. If that's the way they want to do business, they can get the same treatment as cPanel or MacOS X Server. > I dunno what Messrs. Warsaw et cie. think, but in my experience this > kind of hacking pays of in noticably reduced user frustration and > somewhat reduced FAQmeister effort. Mailman is an open-source project. Feel free to post patches to the tracker on SourceForge. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From shubhamsaxena1 at yahoo.co.in Wed Dec 1 12:04:04 2004 From: shubhamsaxena1 at yahoo.co.in (Shubham Saxena) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:04:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Has anybody installed mailman on Solaris 9? Message-ID: <20041201110404.630.qmail@web8503.mail.in.yahoo.com> I have to install mailman on Solaris 9. Can anybody help me out? Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. From stephen at xemacs.org Wed Dec 1 13:59:30 2004 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:59:30 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Has anyone successfully installed Mailman onFedora Core 2? In-Reply-To: (Brad Knowles's message of "Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:02:51 +0100") References: <007d01c4ce5f$95410da0$14140a0a@greg> <873bysq8yc.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mzwymlsv.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: <87wtw2kwct.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> >>>>> "Brad" == Brad Knowles writes: >> Wishful thinking. By allocating the headers to the devel >> packages, they've already indicated that in their opinion it's >> somebody else's problem. Brad> If that's the way they want to do business, they can Brad> get the same treatment as cPanel or MacOS X Server. Please, let's not. This is a case of difference of opinion on how to organize a distribution, not of cheating on the social contract. Brad> Mailman is an open-source project. Feel free to post Brad> patches to the tracker on SourceForge. I do feel free to do so, but it's unlikely to happen in this particular case. I don't understand the Mailman install process, so I'd have to work quite hard boning up. Somebody who already knows could probably write the patch in the same 60 seconds it took me to scratch out that autoconf stuff, though. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From jwblist at olympus.net Wed Dec 1 17:24:18 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 08:24:18 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on separate web and smtp load balanced farms. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/30/2004 16:45, "Brad Knowles" wrote: > At 5:10 PM -0700 2004-11-30, Matt Ruzicka wrote: >> 1. How are people handling incoming mail to an SMTP server separate from >> the web server? > > MX records direct the mail traffic somewhere else. Or, the MX directs incoming mail to the farm, and the farm is configured to virus scan and spam-reduce it, then ship it off to a mail server on the Mailman machine. This works well for us (although I recently lost some of the spam reduction due to a configuration improvement which I think I fixed last night). The Mailman machine has the Mailman web server, as well. (The web server has another specialty task as well.) (I don't think we've used NFS since our founding as an ISP in 1993.) Thus, although we present the same sort of face to the world that you're talking about, the mailing list machine is in fact a normal, self-contained Mailman installation. For outbound list mail, the Mailman machine attempts delivery, and usually succeeds...for most temporary errors it forwards the message over to the mail server farm for retry handling (on the basis that some servers might "like" our regular servers but not the list server, which seems to be the case in practice). Note that we're a smaller operation than you are, Matt. --John From jwblist at olympus.net Wed Dec 1 17:35:18 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 08:35:18 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown user- what am I missing? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/1/2004 1:58, "Brad Knowles" wrote: > The integer numbers between the host/domain name and "IN" is the > "Time To Live", a.k.a., the TTL. This basically says how long the > nameserver should cache this information before it re-queries from > the appropriate nameservers for gmail.com/google.com. Note that the > MX records shown have a low TTL of 2633 seconds (43 minutes and 53 > seconds), while the NS records have a higher TTL of 10750 seconds (2 > hours, 59 minutes, 10 seconds), and there are a wide range of TTLs > for the various IP addresses. Some domains choose to have low TTLs > for their advertised MXes as a crude way of "load balancing" across a > large number of machines. Note that these TTLs are "local" in the sense that they reflect the time the record has left to dwell in the cache of the name server that provided the answer, which usually isn't the authoritative server for an active domain (unless one never talks to gmail). (Try doing several dig commands a few minutes apart.) For example, a dig I did on one of our servers showed shorter times for the mail servers (I'm not including the whole result): ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: gsmtp171.google.com. 809 IN A 64.233.171.27 gsmtp185.google.com. 809 IN A 64.233.185.27 gsmtp57.google.com. 809 IN A 216.239.57.27 (Just before sending this, the 809 times are down to 476.) --John From bruce at bpd.net Wed Dec 1 18:32:55 2004 From: bruce at bpd.net (Bruce N. Audie) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:32:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting a list Message-ID: <003801c4d7cb$cb109110$6501017d@biddefordpd.local> Hello, We just did a Linux version and Mailman version upgrade today. I had to copy over all my lists and configurations. I have lost the "delete this list" choice on the Mailman list administration page. I know by default this does not appear. I forget what the command or process is to activate this. I cannot find it in FAQs or documentation. Does anybody know the answer? Thanks, Bruce From peacebwitchu at yahoo.com Wed Dec 1 18:46:25 2004 From: peacebwitchu at yahoo.com (peace bwitchu) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:46:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting a list In-Reply-To: <003801c4d7cb$cb109110$6501017d@biddefordpd.local> Message-ID: <20041201174625.70868.qmail@web50403.mail.yahoo.com> rmlist --- "Bruce N. Audie" wrote: > Hello, > > We just did a Linux version and Mailman version > upgrade today. I had to copy > over all my lists and configurations. I have lost > the "delete this list" > choice on the Mailman list administration page. I > know by default this does > not appear. I forget what the command or process is > to activate this. I > cannot find it in FAQs or documentation. > > Does anybody know the answer? > > Thanks, > Bruce > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dan at eglifamily.dnsalias.net Wed Dec 1 20:55:43 2004 From: dan at eglifamily.dnsalias.net (Dan Egli) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:55:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ok, I goofed. Message-ID: <41AE21BF.1030801@eglifamily.dnsalias.net> I installed mailman on my company's mail server so we could manage our bulk outgoing mail with it. No problem, except one. I didn't notice I mis-spelled the domain name before I ran update. So now all messages are going out with that wrong domain. Is there a way I can go into the mailman config and find where it stored the domain wrong and fix it? i tried updating mm_cfg.py and running update again but it says there are no updates. Help? -- -- Dan From hmag at ozemail.com.au Wed Dec 1 22:00:47 2004 From: hmag at ozemail.com.au (Terry Allen) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:00:47 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting a list In-Reply-To: <003801c4d7cb$cb109110$6501017d@biddefordpd.local> References: <003801c4d7cb$cb109110$6501017d@biddefordpd.local> Message-ID: >Hello, > >We just did a Linux version and Mailman version upgrade today. I had to copy >over all my lists and configurations. I have lost the "delete this list" >choice on the Mailman list administration page. I know by default this does >not appear. I forget what the command or process is to activate this. I >cannot find it in FAQs or documentation. > >Does anybody know the answer? > >Thanks, >Bruce Hi again, I found this out only last week or the one before during my first ever setup of Mailman - add this to the bottom of mm_cfg.py: OWNERS_CAN_DELETE_THEIR_OWN_LISTS = Yes This will bring the option of list deletion up. -- Bye for now, Terry Allen ___________________________________________________________________ hEARd Postal Address: hEARd, 26B Glenning Rd, Glenning Valley, NSW 2261, Australia Internet - WWW: http://heard.com.au http://itavservices.com EMAIL: hmag at ozemail.com.au Phone: Australia - 02 4388 1400 / International - + 61 2 43881400 Mobile: Australia - 04 28881400 / International - 61 4 28881400 ----------------------------------------------- Non profit promotion for new music - since 1994 ----------------------------------------------- From mailman at addict.net.nz Wed Dec 1 23:00:33 2004 From: mailman at addict.net.nz (Darryl Hamilton) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:00:33 +1300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending mail to members in batches Message-ID: <41AE3F01.6020307@addict.net.nz> Hi I'm wondering if there is a setting in mailman to send mail out to members of a list in batches - for example send 100, wait 30 seconds, send to the next 100, wait 30 seconds, and so on. The problem is we've got a list with 1000+ members, but there is a per-hour outgoing mail limit of 600 (and we'd rather not change it). This is a cPanel install (and from what I've heard, they distribute a custom version of mailman), but they don't have any settings I can change. I've seen the Exim tweaks and will be looking at implementing them, but I'm not sure if it'll be enough. I've had a look through all of the archives, and googled until my fingers bled (ok, not really), and the only thing I've found was a reference to what I think is another customised version of mailman or something completely different (it mentioned settings that I can't find anywhere). Any help appreciated, and if this is in an FAQ somewhere, then I do apologise. Thanks in advance Darryl From msapiro at value.net Thu Dec 2 03:02:09 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:02:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ok, I goofed. In-Reply-To: <41AE21BF.1030801@eglifamily.dnsalias.net> Message-ID: Dan Egli wrote: > >I didn't notice I mis-spelled the domain name before I ran update. So >now all messages are going out with that wrong domain. Is there a way I >can go into the mailman config and find where it stored the domain wrong >and fix it? i tried updating mm_cfg.py and running update again but it >says there are no updates. Now that you've fixed mm_cfg.py, you have to run fix_url.py to fix your existing lists. See the following for help bin/fix_url.py bin/withlist --help -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Dec 2 03:15:43 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:15:43 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending mail to members in batches In-Reply-To: <41AE3F01.6020307@addict.net.nz> Message-ID: Darryl Hamilton wrote: > >I'm wondering if there is a setting in mailman to send mail out to >members of a list in batches - for example send 100, wait 30 seconds, >send to the next 100, wait 30 seconds, and so on. > >The problem is we've got a list with 1000+ members, but there is a >per-hour outgoing mail limit of 600 (and we'd rather not change it). Well I don't think this will solve your problem, because it doesn't address the delay between transactions, but the maximum number of recipients per SMTP session is set in Defaults.py with SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 and can be changed in mm_cfg.py >This is a cPanel install (and from what I've heard, they distribute a >custom version of mailman), but they don't have any settings I can >change. I've seen the Exim tweaks and will be looking at implementing >them, but I'm not sure if it'll be enough. > >I've had a look through all of the archives, and googled until my >fingers bled (ok, not really), and the only thing I've found was a >reference to what I think is another customised version of mailman or >something completely different (it mentioned settings that I can't find >anywhere). > >Any help appreciated, and if this is in an FAQ somewhere, then I do >apologise. Well, what is in the FAQ >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py is article 6.11 that suggests places other than this list to go for help with cPanel installations. This list generally can't offer much help. In fact, wrt my response above, I don't even know if mm_cfg.py makes sense in a cPanel installation. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Dec 2 04:52:06 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:52:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Tokens In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Peter Gysegem wrote: >When editing the HTML for a MailMan web page, there are many tokens such as >. Is there a list anywhere of these tokens and what they do? > I'm not aware of any list per se of the definitions, but the "standard" ones are defined in Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py and other "specific" ones are in Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py, options.py, roster.py and subscribe.py. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From marioca789 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 2 05:59:32 2004 From: marioca789 at hotmail.com (marioca789) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:59:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Language options Message-ID: Hello, Recently I set up a mailing list with members from many countries. My question is: if someone from France sets their messages to display in French, would a post from a subscriber in Brazil in Portuguese be automatically translated into French? Any information about this would be appreciated. Thanks, Marioca From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Dec 2 01:43:48 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 01:43:48 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending mail to members in batches In-Reply-To: <41AE3F01.6020307@addict.net.nz> References: <41AE3F01.6020307@addict.net.nz> Message-ID: At 11:00 AM +1300 2004-12-02, Darryl Hamilton wrote: > I'm wondering if there is a setting in mailman to send mail out to > members of a list in batches - for example send 100, wait 30 seconds, > send to the next 100, wait 30 seconds, and so on. Nope. See . > This is a cPanel install (and from what I've heard, they distribute a > custom version of mailman), but they don't have any settings I can > change. Well, cPanel is rather problematic. See . > I've had a look through all of the archives, and googled until my > fingers bled (ok, not really), and the only thing I've found was a > reference to what I think is another customised version of mailman or > something completely different (it mentioned settings that I can't find > anywhere). Did you search the FAQ Wizard at ? If so, can you tell us what terms you used to search, but failed to turn up the entry mentioned above? If we're not putting the right keywords into the description, then we need to fix that. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From hellbender at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 07:02:55 2004 From: hellbender at gmail.com (Zain Memon) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:02:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown user- what am I missing? In-Reply-To: References: <493443540411301848177a9377@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4934435404120122026b885d54@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the detailed info. I figured MXes were something like that. I ran the same command as you did, dig speakeasy.net. mx, and I got an output similar to yours. Still, I'm getting the same message in my maillog... Speakeasy.net is bouncing. If it was being bounced back by Speakeasy servers since the email isn't right, I would expect the maillog entry to at least have a speakeasy relay. I know for sure that the speakeasy email address is correct. I can get regular email on it. Since this is a production server, I can't really have some addresses that don't work; what can I do to get mail through to speakeasy? On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:58:20 +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 6:48 PM -0800 2004-11-30, Zain Memon wrote: > > > The log entry for the speakeasy one looks like this: > > to=<....speakeasy.net>, relay=virtual, delay=0, status=bounced > > (unknown user: "....speakeasy.net") > > This means that the e-mail address is not valid. Either that, or > the speakeasy.net mail servers are screwed up and rejecting messages > that they should be accepting. Either way, this isn't your problem. > > > Now I think I'm missing some critical concept here. How did my mail > > server know what the gmail relay was? And why doesn't it know the > > relay for speakeasy? > > Mail servers for a given domain are advertised in the DNS using a > mechanism called "MX Resource Records", sometimes known as "MX RRs" > or just plain "MXes". In theory, every server or domain that is > supposed to accept mail should have advertised MXes in their DNS. If > you want to go to their web pages, you look up www.gmail.com in the > DNS (or whatever their webserver name is), if you want to send them > mail, you look up their MXes. > > Here's what the mail servers look like for gmail.com: > > % dig gmail.com. mx > > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> gmail.com. mx > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 30055 > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 7 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;gmail.com. IN MX > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > gmail.com. 2633 IN MX 20 gsmtp57.google.com. > gmail.com. 2633 IN MX 10 gsmtp171.google.com. > gmail.com. 2633 IN MX 10 gsmtp185.google.com. > > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: > gmail.com. 10750 IN NS ns1.google.com. > gmail.com. 10750 IN NS ns2.google.com. > gmail.com. 10750 IN NS ns3.google.com. > gmail.com. 10750 IN NS ns4.google.com. > > ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: > gsmtp57.google.com. 1848 IN A 216.239.57.27 > gsmtp171.google.com. 1663 IN A 64.233.171.27 > gsmtp185.google.com. 6233 IN A 64.233.185.27 > ns1.google.com. 181084 IN A 216.239.32.10 > ns2.google.com. 8284 IN A 216.239.34.10 > ns3.google.com. 181084 IN A 216.239.36.10 > ns4.google.com. 181084 IN A 216.239.38.10 > > ;; Query time: 228 msec > ;; WHEN: Wed Dec 1 10:45:35 2004 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 292 > > This says that gmail.com has two advertised primary MXes > (gsmtp171.google.com and gsmtp185.google.com, each with a "cost" of > 10), one secondary MX (gsmtp57.google.com with a cost of 20), four > advertised nameservers, and then for convenience they also go ahead > and give you the IP addresses for each of the machines. > > If you were to try to send e-mail to gmail.com, your server > should do the same type of DNS query, and assuming it got back the > same answer, then it should try to contact either gsmtp171 or > gsmtp185, and it should randomly choose which one to try first. If > it failed to contact either of the primary MXes, then it should fall > back to the secondary. > > The integer numbers between the host/domain name and "IN" is the > "Time To Live", a.k.a., the TTL. This basically says how long the > nameserver should cache this information before it re-queries from > the appropriate nameservers for gmail.com/google.com. Note that the > MX records shown have a low TTL of 2633 seconds (43 minutes and 53 > seconds), while the NS records have a higher TTL of 10750 seconds (2 > hours, 59 minutes, 10 seconds), and there are a wide range of TTLs > for the various IP addresses. Some domains choose to have low TTLs > for their advertised MXes as a crude way of "load balancing" across a > large number of machines. > > Now, here's the MX records for speakeasy.net: > > % dig speakeasy.net. mx > > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> speakeasy.net. mx > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 10978 > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 3 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;speakeasy.net. IN MX > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > speakeasy.net. 3600 IN MX 5 mx01.speakeasy.net. > speakeasy.net. 3600 IN MX 5 mx02.speakeasy.net. > > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: > speakeasy.net. 1344 IN NS ns-noc.speakeasy.net. > speakeasy.net. 1344 IN NS ns-sea.speakeasy.net. > > ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: > mx01.speakeasy.net. 1344 IN A 216.254.0.195 > ns-noc.speakeasy.net. 7922 IN A 216.254.0.173 > ns-sea.speakeasy.net. 7922 IN A 66.93.87.8 > > ;; Query time: 212 msec > ;; WHEN: Wed Dec 1 10:56:38 2004 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 176 > > Summary: two mail servers of equal cost (mx01 and mx02), two > nameservers (ns-noc and ns-sea), but the system currently only knows > the IP addresses of three of these machines. If it wanted to talk to > the fourth one, it would have to do another DNS query to get that > information. > > -- > Brad Knowles, > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. > From jwblist at olympus.net Thu Dec 2 07:49:20 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 22:49:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown user- what am I missing? In-Reply-To: <4934435404120122026b885d54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/1/2004 22:02, "Zain Memon" wrote: > If it was being bounced back by Speakeasy servers since the email > isn't right, I would expect the maillog entry to at least have a > speakeasy relay. > > I know for sure that the speakeasy email address is correct. I can get > regular email on it. > > Since this is a production server, I can't really have some addresses > that don't work; what can I do to get mail through to speakeasy? > > > On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:58:20 +0100, Brad Knowles > wrote: >> At 6:48 PM -0800 2004-11-30, Zain Memon wrote: >> >>> The log entry for the speakeasy one looks like this: >>> to=<....speakeasy.net>, relay=virtual, delay=0, status=bounced >>> (unknown user: "....speakeasy.net") For an invalid username, the speakeasy.net mail server returns an error at the moment the RCPT TO: command is issued during the SMTP conversation. As in ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: mx01.speakeasy.net. 3600 IN A 216.254.0.195 mx02.speakeasy.net. 3600 IN A 216.254.0.196 ;; Query time: 32 msec ;; SERVER: 198.133.237.1#53(198.133.237.1) ;; WHEN: Wed Dec 1 22:29:26 2004 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 147 [root at solduc namedb]# telnet 216.254.0.195 25 Trying 216.254.0.195... Connected to 216.254.0.195. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mail11.speakeasy.net ESMTP ehlo fox.olympus.net 250-mail11.speakeasy.net 250-PIPELINING 250-SIZE 20971520 250-STARTTLS 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN 250 8BITMIME mail from: 250 ok rcpt to: 554 Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) Quit For an invalid address (which doesn't seem to be the case here), I would expect your log entry to look the way it does. Perhaps your mailing list server is not liked by Speakeasy (you sent your message to the list via gmail, so we don't know what your server is). Many servers reject at RCPT TO: time if they dislike the connecting server (IP address or behavior), and may well claim there is no such mailbox in that situation (to avoid giving away information). [It might seem more logical to reject the connection from a disliked server at connection time, but... a. even if they dislike the server, they should accept mail for Postmaster (and, these days, also abuse at example.com as well) and at connect time they can't know that's coming b. the sending mail server is apt to try again on the assumption that the refusal to connect is temporary. In fact, it really should do so for several days (a significant number of Washington state school districts shut down their mail servers over the weekend...or at least long weekends, for example). Or, they could reject after the EHLO (or for an old-fashioned mail transfer agent HELO) command), but argument a above still applies, and there are many broken mail transfer agents out there which refuse to take no for an answer at EHLO time and try again.] --John From stephen at xemacs.org Thu Dec 2 08:59:56 2004 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:59:56 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Language options In-Reply-To: (marioca's message of "Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:59:32 -0800") References: Message-ID: <87y8ghgmf7.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> >>>>> "marioca" == marioca writes: marioca> if someone from France sets their messages to display in marioca> French, would a post from a subscriber in Brazil in marioca> Portuguese be automatically translated into French? Translated, no. The Mailman "preferred language" settings allow the user (list moderator, list owner) to get informative messages (including list-generated headers and footers for the posts) and instructions about using the Mailman web interface in that language, if available. However, the content of postings to the list is entirely the responsibility of the poster. It is possible, in theory, for a multilingual poster to generate translations of their post and send it by mail, but I am unaware of any mail software that supports this. Even in that case, Mailman would simply pass the content through, neither helping nor hindering. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From stephen at xemacs.org Thu Dec 2 09:10:23 2004 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 17:10:23 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending mail to members in batches In-Reply-To: <41AE3F01.6020307@addict.net.nz> (Darryl Hamilton's message of "Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:00:33 +1300") References: <41AE3F01.6020307@addict.net.nz> Message-ID: <87r7m9glxs.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> >>>>> "Darryl" == Darryl Hamilton writes: Darryl> I'm wondering if there is a setting in mailman to send Darryl> mail out to members of a list in batches - for example Darryl> send 100, wait 30 seconds, send to the next 100, wait 30 Darryl> seconds, and so on. Darryl> This is a cPanel install (and from what I've heard, they Darryl> distribute a custom version of mailman), but they don't Darryl> have any settings I can change. I've seen the Exim tweaks Darryl> and will be looking at implementing them, but I'm not sure Darryl> if it'll be enough. There's a note in one of the source files, I think it's Runner.py, something like "this is where you could implement things like throttling." While cPanel users normally don't have access to the software installation, your comment about fiddling with Exim suggests that maybe you do. Sure, that's more work than you're describing, but it's a late (or last) resort. FWIW, I will say that IMO Mailman is very well designed for this kind of hacking; something like throttling is reasonably complex in itself, but Mailman won't make it harder than it needs to be. Another possibility would be a custom processing pipeline, but implementing it there would basically amount to a busy loop, and use an excessive amount of resources. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From stephen at xemacs.org Thu Dec 2 09:37:39 2004 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 17:37:39 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown user- what am I missing? In-Reply-To: <4934435404120122026b885d54@mail.gmail.com> (Zain Memon's message of "Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:02:55 -0800") References: <493443540411301848177a9377@mail.gmail.com> <4934435404120122026b885d54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87mzwxgkoc.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> >>>>> "Zain" == Zain Memon writes: Zain> I know for sure that the speakeasy email address is Zain> correct. I can get regular email on it. Uh, what is your server's relation to speakeasy.net? I don't know Postfix, but that "virtual" relay strongly suggests to me that they're the same machine or something like that. Do you send that regular mail to speakeasy from the server machine? If not, you need to try that. Zain> Since this is a production server, I can't really have some Zain> addresses that don't work; what can I do to get mail through Zain> to speakeasy? FedEx? You can't do anything forcible about some other guy's machine refusing your mail. If you can get some cooperation from speakeasy: It is known that some (broken) spam filtering setups think that mail from Mailman is spam. Also, it's possible that some content is triggering spam filters. You'd have to ask speakeasy.net about their policies to be sure, though. If your machine is _not_ speakeasy.net, it's possible that it's on a blacklist of some kind that speakeasy subscribes to. It's possible that your IP is part of a subnet that harbors lots of spammers, or that your domain name has been abused by spammers, etc. To test the hypothesis that it's something about Mailman, you could subscribe your speakeasy address to this list and see if it gets through. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From Cleveland at winnefox.org Thu Dec 2 15:19:06 2004 From: Cleveland at winnefox.org (Jody Cleveland) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:19:06 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not able to send messages to lists I've setup Message-ID: <7D3DDF19D93C3642931C3EB8803165A9013B7B1C@mail.winnefox.org> Hello, I've got the latest version of Mailman running on a redhat 3.0as server. When mail comes in, the redhat handles it with MailScanner coupled with spamassassin and f-prot. Then, that machine forwards it on to our exchange 5.5 machine. I've got mailman running fine. It installed ok, I can create lists using the command line, and the web site. I can also subscribe to lists using the website. The problem comes in when I try to post messages to the list I subscribe to. I get a Undeliverable message from the exchange System Administrator: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: test Sent: 12/1/2004 11:48 AM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: test at email.winnefox.org on 12/1/2004 11:48 AM The recipient name is not recognized The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= ;p=Winnefox Library;l=MAIL-041201174732Z-13761 I guess I don't understand why exchange is taking issue with this. I can send email to my user account on that linux machine, and it works fine. Is there a setting somewhere I need to change? -- Jody Cleveland Computer Support Specialist cleveland at winnefox.org From gjjones1 at usi.edu Thu Dec 2 17:56:35 2004 From: gjjones1 at usi.edu (G James Jones) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:56:35 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending mail to members in batches In-Reply-To: <20041202083757.496181E400A@bag.python.org> References: <20041202083757.496181E400A@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <1102006595.2261.8.camel@chameleon.usi.edu> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Stephen J. Turnbull > To: Darryl Hamilton > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] sending mail to members in batches > Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 17:10:23 +0900 > > >>>>> "Darryl" == Darryl Hamilton writes: > > Darryl> I'm wondering if there is a setting in mailman to send > Darryl> mail out to members of a list in batches - for example > Darryl> send 100, wait 30 seconds, send to the next 100, wait 30 > Darryl> seconds, and so on. <>. > > FWIW, I will say that IMO Mailman is very well designed for this kind > of hacking; something like throttling is reasonably complex in itself, > but Mailman won't make it harder than it needs to be. > With all respect to Stephen, who knows this topic way better than I do, I have to disagree with this approach. I would think that throttling is an MTA issue (in this case Exim). Given that the MTA will control the rate of ALL messages from the system, not just those that are generated by Mailman. That might not be an issue in this situation, but generally it is true. "Fixing" throttling in Mailman would still potentially leave an admin open for capacity issues generated by users or other email generation applications. However, fixing it in the MTA, the last step before leaving the box, would mitigate the issue for all email from the system (Mailman or not). Just a thought. Jim > > Another possibility would be a custom processing pipeline, but > implementing it there would basically amount to a busy loop, and use > an excessive amount of resources. > > -- > Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp > University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN > Ask not how you can "do" free software business; > ask what your business can "do for" free software. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ -- Jim Jones Systems Analyst Computer Center University of Southern Indiana Phone: (812) 461-5402 From bruce at bpd.net Thu Dec 2 19:45:30 2004 From: bruce at bpd.net (Bruce N. Audie) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:45:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment Message-ID: <00f601c4d89f$195de4c0$6501017d@biddefordpd.local> Why does the footer text that I have entered in "Footer added to every digest " show up as an attachment to about half the postings. Even when multiple subscribers are responding to the same thread.. some will have the footer inserted at the end of the message and others will have a text file attachment containing the footer info. Bruce Audie From gendreau at umd.edu Thu Dec 2 20:19:28 2004 From: gendreau at umd.edu (Andrew Gendreau) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:19:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Simple Question about Duplicate E-mails Message-ID: <20041202191729.3E2D71E4006@bag.python.org> Hi, I just setup a mailman server and it is working very well with the exception of one thing. Only one of the 50 something people on the list is receiving duplicate e-mails. I am sure that he is not on the list twice, I am also sure that options for him such as "nodupes" are set and that Receive Duplicate E-mails is set to no. This isn't a problem whereby he receives two when someone replies to the list, but rather he receives two whenever anyone posts anything to the list for the first time. I've tried removing and re-adding this user however that didn't work. Any other suggestions would be very welcome. Thank you, Andrew From jwblist at olympus.net Thu Dec 2 21:32:27 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:32:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Simple Question about Duplicate E-mails In-Reply-To: <20041202191729.3E2D71E4006@bag.python.org> Message-ID: On 12/2/2004 11:19, "Andrew Gendreau" wrote: > Hi, > > > > I just setup a mailman server and it is working very well with the exception > of one thing. > > > > Only one of the 50 something people on the list is receiving duplicate > e-mails. I am sure that he is not on the list twice, I am also sure that > options for him such as "nodupes" are set and that Receive Duplicate E-mails > is set to no. > > > > This isn't a problem whereby he receives two when someone replies to the > list, but rather he receives two whenever anyone posts anything to the list > for the first time. This almost sounds like an insane filter in his mail client (or perhaps in the mail server). > > > > I've tried removing and re-adding this user however that didn't work. During the time he wasn't on the list, did a new message get posted? If so, did he receive zero or one copy? You could probe that next time you start a new thread in the list, if necessary. > > > > Any other suggestions would be very welcome. You would like to see the full mail headers from a pair of duplicate messages, and compare the Received: headers (bottom up) to see where they diverge. (Murphy's Law suggests that the recipient is using MS Outlook, which will make getting the full headers remarkably difficult.) From dave at umiacs.umd.edu Thu Dec 2 21:41:54 2004 From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:41:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] converted 2.0 moderated to 2.1.5 Message-ID: I'm converting a few dozen lists from an older install (2.1.12) to 2.1.5 and came across an interesting bug. We have some lists that were moderated in the old style of 2.0 ie restrict-post-to-members was set to NO and "special people" were added to the Addresses-of-members-accepted-for-posting-to-this-list-without-implicit- approval window. After copying everything across as detailed in the archives and running withlist and genaliases on the new server, I noted that the lists was not set up as moderated and I had to do it manually. * Is this a bug? feature? Is there a way around it? * Alternatively, is there a relatively painless way to at least identify such lists on the 2.0.12 side for manual conversion? (I'm guessing probably dumpdb and some snazzy grepping. Since this will cross lines and thus be a bit of a pain to script) * BTW, the instructions for web redirections are flawed as the pattern- match is not specific enough: If you move over a list called, "mine" but leave a list called "mine-friends", guess what happens to the web page redirection for the latter... The way I've converted lists was: -----------------------On old listserver---------------------- /fs/mailman/bin/list_lists | awk '{print $1}' |tail +2 \ | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' | while read LISTNAME do scp -r /fs/mailman/lists/$LISTNAME root at newserver:/fs/mailman2/lists scp -r /fs/mailman/archives/private/$LISTNAME \ root at newserver:/fs/mailman2/archives/private scp -r /fs/mailman/archives/private/$LISTNAME.mbox \ root at newserver:/fs/mailman2/archives/private scp -r /fs/mailman/archives/public/$LISTNAME \ root at newserver:/fs/mailman2/archives/public scp -r /fs/mailman/archives/public/$LISTNAME.mbox \ root at newserver:/fs/mailman2/archives/public done scp /fs/mailman/tools/all-lists root at newlistserver:/fs/mailman2/tools ssh root$newlistserver /fs/mailman2/tools/move-all ------------------On new listserver, move-all----------------- #ya, ya, no comments about useless cat awards, I know better, I'm lazy cat /fs/mailman2/tools/all-lists| while read LISTNAME do /fs/mailman2/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url $LISTNAME cp /fs/mailman2/tools/request.pck /fs/mailman2/lists/$LISTNAME chown -R mailman:mailman /fs/mailman2/archives/private/$LISTNAME chown -R mailman:mailman /fs/mailman2/archives/public/$LISTNAME chown mailman /fs/mailman2/lists/$LISTNAME done /fs/mailman2/bin/genaliases >/tmp/newalias.txt echo "Append appropriate pieces of /tmp/newalias.txt to /fs/lists2/aliases" Suggestions? Thanks =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David Stern University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies From dave at umiacs.umd.edu Thu Dec 2 22:17:21 2004 From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:17:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] converted 2.0 moderated to 2.1.5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote: > I'm converting a few dozen lists from an older install (2.1.12) to > 2.1.5 and came across an interesting bug. We have some lists that > were moderated in the old style of 2.0 ie restrict-post-to-members > was set to NO and "special people" were added to the > Addresses-of-members-accepted-for-posting-to-this-list-without-implicit- > approval window. > > After copying everything across as detailed in the archives and running > withlist and genaliases on the new server, I noted that the lists was > not set up as moderated and I had to do it manually. > > * Is this a bug? feature? Is there a way around it? > Doh! Pardon me! It really does work. I was just looking at the wrong list. But associated with this, what does/should $MAILMAN/bin/update do? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David Stern University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies From shawnw at atmreports.com Thu Dec 2 22:18:51 2004 From: shawnw at atmreports.com (Shawn Wilson) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:18:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group name "mailman" doesn't exist Message-ID: <41AF86BB.7010506@atmreports.com> I'm trying to get mailman up and running on my Gentoo box alongside postfix but I can't seem to get over this final hurdle. Here is what I get in my log when I try sending a message to one of my lists: === BEGIN LOG === Dec 1 15:47:28 jupiter2 postfix/smtpd[19851]: 70D562C82A1: client=unknown[192.168.1.61] Dec 1 15:47:28 jupiter2 postfix/cleanup[19808]: 70D562C82A1: message-id=<41AE4C1E.2080005 at atmreports.com> Dec 1 15:47:28 jupiter2 postfix/qmgr[1027]: 70D562C82A1: from=, size=909, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 1 15:47:28 jupiter2 postfix/local[21592]: 70D562C82A1: to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (Command died with status 8: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post kilimanjaro". Command output: Failure to find group name mailman. Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the command line option --with-mail-gid. ) Dec 1 15:47:28 jupiter2 postfix/qmgr[1027]: 70D562C82A1: removed === END LOG === The pertinent part is "Failure to find group name mailman". However I know that this group exists: $ grep mailman /etc/group mailman::280: As you can see, group "mailman" exists with ID 280. I checked my ebuild file for mailman and MAILGID is indeed set to 280, which means it should be passing --with-mail-gid=280 to the configure script. I have run check_perms and all permissions look okay. Any ideas what else I can do to figure out what went wrong? I posted this request on the gentoo forums as well but so far the couple replies I received have not helped. Thanks, -shawn -- ======================================= Shawn A. Wilson [shawnw at atmreports.com] Senior Software Developer ATMReports Department, ATM Express Inc. PH: 877-327-0873, FAX: 406-294-5806 ======================================= From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Dec 3 01:13:21 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 01:13:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown user- what am I missing? In-Reply-To: <4934435404120122026b885d54@mail.gmail.com> References: <493443540411301848177a9377@mail.gmail.com> <4934435404120122026b885d54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 10:02 PM -0800 2004-12-01, Zain Memon wrote: > I know for sure that the speakeasy email address is correct. I can get > regular email on it. In that case, my guess is that they're doing some additional anti-spam stuff on their machines, and there's something else about your message that is causing their servers to reject it. I can't tell you what the specific problem is, you need to talk to the admins of speakeasy.net about that. > Since this is a production server, I can't really have some addresses > that don't work; what can I do to get mail through to speakeasy? You need to call up the people at speakeasy and talk to them. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Dec 3 01:19:00 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 01:19:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment In-Reply-To: <00f601c4d89f$195de4c0$6501017d@biddefordpd.local> References: <00f601c4d89f$195de4c0$6501017d@biddefordpd.local> Message-ID: At 1:45 PM -0500 2004-12-02, Bruce N. Audie wrote: > Why does the footer text that I have entered in "Footer added to every > digest " show up as an attachment to about half the postings. Go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at and search for "footer". -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Dec 3 01:20:57 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 01:20:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group name "mailman" doesn't exist In-Reply-To: <41AF86BB.7010506@atmreports.com> References: <41AF86BB.7010506@atmreports.com> Message-ID: At 2:18 PM -0700 2004-12-02, Shawn Wilson wrote: > Dec 1 15:47:28 jupiter2 postfix/local[21592]: 70D562C82A1: > to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced > (Command died with status 8: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post > kilimanjaro". Command output: Failure to find group name mailman. Try > adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an > existing group name with the command line option --with-mail-gid. ) How are groups implemented on your system? Are you using something like NIS, PAM, or LDAP which might require a refresh to pick up the new group name, even though the source text file might have been updated? > Any ideas what else I can do to figure out what went wrong? I posted > this request on the gentoo forums as well but so far the couple replies > I received have not helped. Given what you've said here, it looks to me like this is probably a Gentoo-specific issue, and I don't know if we're going to be able to help. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From hellbender at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 02:33:37 2004 From: hellbender at gmail.com (Zain Memon) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:33:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown user- what am I missing? In-Reply-To: References: <493443540411301848177a9377@mail.gmail.com> <4934435404120122026b885d54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <493443540412021733c2ad166@mail.gmail.com> I think I'll test it out on some other email addresses to make sure it isn't my fault. The speakeasy server is of no relation to my server... Speakeasy just happens to be my ISP and I have an email address with them, so I was using it to test. I wonder why it wouldn't accept mail. Could it be because my server is currently running on a no-ip domain? Speakeasy offers serverside spam filtering which I've turned off, so I don't think that would be a problem. And both gmail and hotmail accept, which surprises me as well. I signed up for this mailing list using my speakeasy email address, and the messages are coming through fine. On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 01:13:21 +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 10:02 PM -0800 2004-12-01, Zain Memon wrote: > > > I know for sure that the speakeasy email address is correct. I can get > > regular email on it. > > In that case, my guess is that they're doing some additional > anti-spam stuff on their machines, and there's something else about > your message that is causing their servers to reject it. I can't > tell you what the specific problem is, you need to talk to the admins > of speakeasy.net about that. > > > Since this is a production server, I can't really have some addresses > > that don't work; what can I do to get mail through to speakeasy? > > You need to call up the people at speakeasy and talk to them. > > -- > > > Brad Knowles, > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. > From jwt at onjapan.net Fri Dec 3 02:57:10 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:57:10 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not able to send messages to lists I've setup In-Reply-To: <7D3DDF19D93C3642931C3EB8803165A9013B7B1C@mail.winnefox.org> References: <7D3DDF19D93C3642931C3EB8803165A9013B7B1C@mail.winnefox.org> Message-ID: On Dec 2, 2004, at 23:19, Jody Cleveland wrote: > I've got mailman running fine. It installed ok, I can create lists > using > the command line, and the web site. I can also subscribe to lists using > the website. The problem comes in when I try to post messages to the > list I subscribe to. I get a Undeliverable message from the exchange > System Administrator: It sounds like the connection between the mail server and Mailman on the Linux server is not set up correctly. If you send the mail from your Linux account, do you get the same error? The way you tell the mail server about the lists (and their associated -request, -bounces, etc ) addresses depends upon the mail server you are using. It is often done by adding aliases for each list you create, but there are also "automated" ways of having the mail server detect the existence of your lists. (There is a lot of information in the INSTALL and README.* files in the Mailman distribution.) And in your case, since you are apparently forwarding all other mail on to another server, you will want to make sure that the aliases are checked before that catchall step. Mailman's bin/genaliases tool can remind you of the aliases you need to add to your mail server if you didn't add them as you created each list. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From stephen at xemacs.org Fri Dec 3 03:25:07 2004 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:25:07 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending mail to members in batches In-Reply-To: <1102006595.2261.8.camel@chameleon.usi.edu> (G. James Jones's message of "Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:56:35 -0600") References: <20041202083757.496181E400A@bag.python.org> <1102006595.2261.8.camel@chameleon.usi.edu> Message-ID: <87eki8f798.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> >>>>> "G" == G James Jones writes: G> I would think that throttling is an MTA issue (in this case G> Exim). Given that the MTA will control the rate of ALL messages G> from the system, not just those that are generated by Mailman. I agree with your analysis, but that may or may not be the desired effect here. In particular, it may be desirable to throttle Mailman specifically to something lower than the system-wide limit. The MTA may or may not be able to limit specific usages (how would it know?) or users (in this case, Mailman usually has a unique uid, so that would work). BTW, I've been around for some time, am moderately familiar with a selection of relevant RFCs and other standards, and have bits and pieces of experience with mail systems in particular, but you shouldn't take my pronunciamentos too seriously. I'm just too lazy (arrogant?) to word them cautiously. Also, see sections 11 and 12 of the GNU General Public License. :-) -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Dec 3 10:22:21 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:22:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending mail to members in batches In-Reply-To: <87eki8f798.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <20041202083757.496181E400A@bag.python.org> <1102006595.2261.8.camel@chameleon.usi.edu> <87eki8f798.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: At 11:25 AM +0900 2004-12-03, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > I agree with your analysis, but that may or may not be the desired > effect here. In particular, it may be desirable to throttle Mailman > specifically to something lower than the system-wide limit. The MTA > may or may not be able to limit specific usages (how would it know?) > or users (in this case, Mailman usually has a unique uid, so that > would work). I agree that throttling would be a good thing to have, both within Mailman itself, and also within the MTA. However, we don't have any control over the MTA, so all we can worry about is what happens within Mailman. This is a an example of a classic limitation of most open-source projects -- there are all sorts of things that various people would like the system to do, but a limited number of people who are actually hacking on the code. If someone cares enough about this subject to generate a patch and upload that via the tracker at , then the rest of us could at least check it out and see what we think. Once generated and uploaded, that would have a much greater chance of getting included in an future revision. Alternatively, this should be added as a Request For Enhancement via the tracker at , and people just have to hope that someone who is hacking on the code decides to pick up this issue at some point in the not-to-distant future. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From SpeedyGonzalis at softhome.net Fri Dec 3 12:28:30 2004 From: SpeedyGonzalis at softhome.net (Speedy Gonzalis) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 06:28:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] japanese_codecs problem Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041203062550.0649dcb0@pop3.direcway.com> Using Mailman v 2.1.4 I keep getting the following error. Nov 30 19:19:07 2004 admin(29952): /var/mailman/pythonlib/japanese/c/euc_jp.py:3: RuntimeWarning: Python C API version mismatch for module _japanese_codecs: This Python has API version 1011, module _japanese_codecs has version 1012. I've searched the archives but didn't find anything. Can someone help? Tim From fehwalker at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 13:58:26 2004 From: fehwalker at gmail.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 07:58:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tracebacks with 2.1.5 since upgrading to Python 2.4 Message-ID: <35de0c3004120304582340ccec@mail.gmail.com> Howdy, I'm running Mailman 2.1.5 and upgraded to Python 2.4 yesterday. Since then I've gotten 9 tracebacks in the error log as below, with ~130 bounces processed during that time. I've never seen this error before with Mailman that I can remember. Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): Traceback (most recent call last): Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): File "/home/mailman-2.1/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): main() Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): File "/home/mailman-2.1/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): qrunner.run() Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): File "/home/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 87, in run Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): self._cleanup() Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): File "/home/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 220, in _cleanup Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): BounceMixin._cleanup(self) Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): File "/home/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 132, in _cleanup Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): self._register_bounces() Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): File "/home/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 120, in _register_bounces Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): mlist.registerBounce(addr, msg, day=day) Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): File "/home/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 131, in registerBounce Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', day + (0,)*6)) Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): ValueError : day of year out of range Do I need to do something with Mailman after updating to Python 2.4, or is this a bug? Thanks, Bryan From Cleveland at winnefox.org Fri Dec 3 14:23:13 2004 From: Cleveland at winnefox.org (Jody Cleveland) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 07:23:13 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not able to send messages to lists I've setup Message-ID: <7D3DDF19D93C3642931C3EB8803165A9013B7B59@mail.winnefox.org> Hi Jim, > It sounds like the connection between the mail server and Mailman on > the Linux server is not set up correctly. If you send the mail from > your Linux account, do you get the same error? I get the same error no matter where I send the message from. From gmail, I get this: Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: test at email.winnefox.org Technical details of failure: PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 10): 550 : User unknown in local recipient table > The way you tell the mail server about the lists (and their > associated > -request, -bounces, etc ) addresses depends upon the mail server you > are using. It is often done by adding aliases for each list you > create, but there are also "automated" ways of having the mail server > detect the existence of your lists. I'm running postfix on redhat 3.0AS server. I also have webmin running on there. Going into the postfix area in there, under Mail Aliases, I see this: CREATED Address Wed Address Dec Address 1 Address 11:26:22 Address 2004 test Program /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test test-admin Program /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin test test-bounces Program /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test test-confirm Program /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test test-join Program /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join test test-leave Program /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave test test-owner Program /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner test test-request Program /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request test test-subscribe Program /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test test-unsubscribe Program /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test So, it appears as though all the aliases were created. > And in your case, since you are apparently forwarding all other mail on to > another server, you will want to make sure that the aliases > are checked before that catchall step. Actually, as far as mailman is concerned, it shouldn't be forwarding the mail on. Since that's a local alias, it should be taking care of everything itself. Shouldn't it? Is there something else I'm missing? - jody From ifetch at du.edu Fri Dec 3 19:02:49 2004 From: ifetch at du.edu (Ivan Fetch) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:02:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman (almost) Failover with --with-var-prefix Message-ID: <20041203103419.Y10322@tnetnzry.hgf.qh.rqh> Hello, We're installing mailman on two machines so that if one machine were to experience problems, we can move a record in DNS and begin using the other host. Rather than doing something to sync the lists, archives, Etc on both machines, I plan to store those things on a shared disk (not NFS) by using the --with-var-path=/path-to-shared-disk configure option. I'm wondering whether anyone has done this, and whether there might be problems with two instances of mailman accessing these files (e.g. I will start the mailman master process on each machine as well as the web server; potentually both machines could be accessing the shared Mailman data at the same time)? Thanks, Ivan Fetch. From iain.smy at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 19:21:38 2004 From: iain.smy at gmail.com (iain) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:21:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Users Message-ID: <6bf7409f041203102122aaed83@mail.gmail.com> Hey all: I have multiple lists set up to send out 1 email per day to approximately 10,000 users. Basically a notification list. I have found that some users have signed up in digest mode. This does'nt make any sense since there is only 1 email per day. I can see where I can disable the digest mode but what would happen to those users that are on digests? Are they removed or moved to 'regular' delivery? Is there an easy way to locate the members on digest so I can manually move them over? I would hate to have to look thru 10,000 records to locate the few that are on digest. Thanks in advance From dojai at ufv.br Fri Dec 3 20:07:06 2004 From: dojai at ufv.br (Eduardo Jaime Quiros Batres) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 17:07:06 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with file permissions? Message-ID: <1102100826.11513.3.camel@asgard.cpd.ufv.br> I tried to use my mailman with mandrake 10.0 and I got a "Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4", upgraded to mailman 2.1.5 (from mandrake 10.1 CDs) and got "Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5" ran bin/check_perms -f and the problem persists it seems that there is a problem with apache (or someone else) getting access to the log files -- Eduardo Jaime Quiros Batres ----------- Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 68, in run_main immediate=1) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in __init__ Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49, in __init__ self.__get_f() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67, in __get_f 1) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 566, in open file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error' Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.3.3 (#2, Feb 17 2004, 11:45:40) [GCC 3.3.2 (Mandrake Linux 10.0 3.3.2-6mdk)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 Environment variables: Variable Value SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/2.0.48 (Mandrake Linux/6.8.100mdk) mod_perl/1.99_11 Perl/v5.8.3 mod_ssl/2.0.48 OpenSSL/0.9.7c PHP/4.3.4 SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/2.0.48 (Mandrake Linux/6.8.100mdk) mod_perl/1.99_11 Perl/v5.8.3 mod_ssl/2.0.48 OpenSSL/0.9.7c PHP/4.3.4 Server at magni.cpd.ufv.br Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD GET SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET iso-8859-1, utf-8;q=0.5, *;q=0.5 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.2; Linux) (KHTML, like Gecko) HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive SERVER_NAME magni.cpd.ufv.br REMOTE_ADDR 200.131.231.97 SERVER_PORT 80 SERVER_ADDR 200.131.233.142 DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/html PYTHONPATH /usr/lib/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/admin SERVER_ADMIN root at localhost HTTP_HOST magni.cpd.ufv.br REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin HTTP_ACCEPT text/html, image/jpeg, image/png, text/*, image/*, */* GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 REMOTE_PORT 33146 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE pt, en HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING x-gzip, x-deflate, gzip, deflate From duncan.salada at titan.com Fri Dec 3 22:17:40 2004 From: duncan.salada at titan.com (Salada, Duncan) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:17:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive sort order Message-ID: Hello All, I'm new to the list, so I hope this hasn't been asked too many times before (I did try to use the searchable archives, but mail-archive.com is refusing connection). How can I change the sort order for the archives of our lists? In other words, I'd like the archives to be sorted by date descending instead of date ascending. Any help on how to do this? Duncan ----------------------------------------------- Duncan Salada Titan Corporation 301-925-3222 x375 From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Sat Dec 4 03:11:17 2004 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 11:11:17 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] japanese_codecs problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041203062550.0649dcb0@pop3.direcway.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041203062550.0649dcb0@pop3.direcway.com> Message-ID: <41B11CC5.3010007@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Speedy Gonzalis wrote: > Using Mailman v 2.1.4 I keep getting the following error. > > Nov 30 19:19:07 2004 admin(29952): /var/mailman/pythonlib/japanese/c/euc_jp.py:3: RuntimeWarning: Python C API version mismatch for module _japanese_codecs: This Python has API version 1011, module _japanese_codecs has version 1012. > > I've searched the archives but didn't find anything. Can someone help? Hi, We (Japanese) had a same problem report on our mailing list. It looked like the package was made in a incompatible environment (by Fedora Core). Maybe you can fix it by upgrading your python to 2.3, or install mailman from source. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Sat Dec 4 03:41:40 2004 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 11:41:40 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tracebacks with 2.1.5 since upgrading to Python 2.4 In-Reply-To: <35de0c3004120304582340ccec@mail.gmail.com> References: <35de0c3004120304582340ccec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41B123E4.1020601@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Bryan Fullerton wrote: > Howdy, > > I'm running Mailman 2.1.5 and upgraded to Python 2.4 yesterday. Since > then I've gotten 9 tracebacks in the error log as below, with ~130 > bounces processed during that time. I've never seen this error before > with Mailman that I can remember. > (snip) > Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): File > "/home/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 131, in registerBounce > Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', > day + (0,)*6)) > Dec 03 07:48:21 2004 qrunner(47971): ValueError : day of year out of range > > Do I need to do something with Mailman after updating to Python 2.4, > or is this a bug? time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', day + (0,)*6)) should be something like: time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', day + (0,0,0,0,1,0)) Looks like we should care 2.4 compatibilty first before jumping in it. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From msapiro at value.net Sat Dec 4 05:41:53 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:41:53 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Users In-Reply-To: <6bf7409f041203102122aaed83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: iain wrote: > >I have found that some users have signed up in digest mode. This >does'nt make any sense since there is only 1 email per day. I can see >where I can disable the digest mode but what would happen to those >users that are on digests? Are they removed or moved to 'regular' >delivery? When you change the list to non-digestable, you get the following "Warning: You have digest members, but digests are turned off. Those people will not receive mail." I.e. they remain on the list but they don't receive mail until they are set to message mode by you or by themselves. >Is there an easy way to locate the members on digest so I can manually >move them over? I would hate to have to look thru 10,000 records to >locate the few that are on digest. The web roster available from the listinfo page separates subscribers into "digested" and "non-digested" as does the results of the e-mail "who" command, but these lists do not show "hidden members" if any. The best way to get the list of digested members is bin/list_members --digest If none of these methods work for you, see http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#throughtheweb -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dhphllps at memphis.edu Sat Dec 4 06:35:38 2004 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 23:35:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] japanese_codecs problem In-Reply-To: <41B11CC5.3010007@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041203062550.0649dcb0@pop3.direcway.com> <41B11CC5.3010007@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <542D1038-45B6-11D9-BBCE-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> On Dec 3, 2004, at 8:11 PM, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > Speedy Gonzalis wrote: >> Using Mailman v 2.1.4 I keep getting the following error. >> Nov 30 19:19:07 2004 admin(29952): >> /var/mailman/pythonlib/japanese/c/euc_jp.py:3: RuntimeWarning: Python >> C API version mismatch for module _japanese_codecs: This Python has >> API version 1011, module _japanese_codecs has version 1012. >> I've searched the archives but didn't find anything. Can someone >> help? > We (Japanese) had a same problem report on our mailing list. It looked > like the package was made in a incompatible environment (by Fedora > Core). Maybe you can fix it by upgrading your python to 2.3, or > install mailman from source. > I get a very similar message each month when password reminders go out ever since I upgraded python to 2.3 for compatibility with Mailman 2.1.5 (this is on OS X Server 10.2.8). Mailman was installed from source. The reminders seem to go out to my Japanese subscribers OK, and all the web pages work in Japanese; should I worry about it? Dan ================================ Dan Phillips Associate Professor of Horn, University of Memphis administrator: music.memphis.edu From jacsib at lutecium.org Sat Dec 4 09:04:51 2004 From: jacsib at lutecium.org (Jacques B. Siboni) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 08:04:51 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Inserting code in subscribe Message-ID: <41B16FA3.19AFEE87@lutecium.org> Hi all, On a mailing list I'm running I need to include some code after the subscribe form and after the unsubscribe form. The new subscribe form has to interact with the user. You can have a hint of what is expected at http://www.lutecium.org/subscribe.html The unsubscribe process has to run a simple batch. Where do you think is the best place to include these codes? Thanks in advance Jacques -- Dr. Jacques B. Siboni mailto:jacsib at Lutecium.org 8 pass. Charles Albert, F75018 Paris, France Tel. & Fax: 33 (0) 1 42 28 76 78 Home Page: http://www.lutecium.org/jacsib/ From jacsib at lutecium.org Sat Dec 4 09:08:37 2004 From: jacsib at lutecium.org (Jacques B. Siboni) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 08:08:37 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where are the data? Message-ID: <41B17085.A8C7AE20@lutecium.org> Hi all, Another question ... Where and how can I access to the user data, which are the email address, the name, and the password? Thanks in advance Jacques -- Dr. Jacques B. Siboni mailto:jacsib at Lutecium.org 8 pass. Charles Albert, F75018 Paris, France Tel. & Fax: 33 (0) 1 42 28 76 78 Home Page: http://www.lutecium.org/jacsib/ From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Sat Dec 4 10:55:52 2004 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 18:55:52 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with file permissions? In-Reply-To: <1102100826.11513.3.camel@asgard.cpd.ufv.br> References: <1102100826.11513.3.camel@asgard.cpd.ufv.br> Message-ID: <41B189A8.1090304@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Eduardo Jaime Quiros Batres wrote: > I tried to use my mailman with mandrake 10.0 and I got a "Bug in Mailman > version 2.1.4", upgraded to mailman 2.1.5 (from mandrake 10.1 CDs) and > got "Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5" > > ran bin/check_perms -f and the problem persists > > it seems that there is a problem with apache (or someone else) getting > access to the log files > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 566, in open > file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering) > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error' Try 'chmod ug+w /var/lib/mailman/logs/*' -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From lists at lastonepicked.com Sun Dec 5 03:19:39 2004 From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 18:19:39 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Join Date Message-ID: Is there a way to see a list of users that joined past a specific date in mailman 2.1.5? Hunter From msapiro at value.net Sun Dec 5 05:47:11 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:47:11 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Join Date In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hunter Hillegas wrote: >Is there a way to see a list of users that joined past a specific date in >mailman 2.1.5? Date joined is not kept as data so this information is only available in the mailman subscribe log. The information is readily available there but may require a little processing to get exactly what you want. The only potential problem I know is with people who have changed their delivery address. The original join entry with the "old" address is there, but there is nothing indicating the change or the "new" address. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Sun Dec 5 01:43:30 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 01:43:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] one users mails being caught as bounces References: <41AB4EDD.50302@blast.com> Message-ID: Anne Ramey schrieb: > His user looks like it is set up exactly like all the others. Any ideas > why this might be happening? The user is sending mail not to the list, but to the bounce address; that is, not to the address in From or Reply-To headers, but to the Return-Path (Sender, Envelope-From). It's the user's (or his software's) - wrong - choice. -thh From nicku at nicku.org Sun Dec 5 10:06:32 2004 From: nicku at nicku.org (Nick Urbanik) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 20:06:32 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirect subscription requests to announce list? Message-ID: <20041205090632.GA2781@nicku.org> Dear Folks, Subscription requests to an existing newsletter are managed manually. I am proposing to host this as a Mailman list on this machine. However, the existing setup requires that users send an email to a particular existing email address on another existing machine over which I have no administrative control, though simple sysadmin requests may be supported. The existing email address is used for other purposes too. If an email to this address has a subject or body containing the word "SUBSCRIBE", it should be subscribed. Can anyone suggest any techniques to implement a smooth transition? I'm happy to write some Perl (sorry, not Python yet!) to solve this if anyone has any suggestions. -- Nick Urbanik RHCE http://nicku.org nicku(at)nicku.org Proud ex-member of Dept. of Information & Communications Technology in Hong Kong IVE (Tsing Yi), Home of Visual Paradigm: Jolt Productivity Award winner, programmed by ICT's own graduates! 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It's the user's (or his software's) - wrong - choice. -thh From msapiro at value.net Sun Dec 5 17:31:33 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 08:31:33 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirect subscription requests to announce list? In-Reply-To: <20041205090632.GA2781@nicku.org> Message-ID: Nick Urbanik wrote: > >Subscription requests to an existing newsletter are managed manually. >I am proposing to host this as a Mailman list on this machine. >However, the existing setup requires that users send an email to a >particular existing email address on another existing machine over >which I have no administrative control, though simple sysadmin requests >may be supported. > >The existing email address is used for other purposes too. If an >email to this address has a subject or body containing the word >"SUBSCRIBE", it should be subscribed. If procmail is available to process mail to the existing address, you could use it to redirect the desired mail to the Mailman listname-request address. Since it seems it would already look like a subscribe request, that should work, or you could redirect it to the listname-subscribe address. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From barry at python.org Sun Dec 5 17:59:16 2004 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:59:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Tracebacks with 2.1.5 since upgrading to Python 2.4 In-Reply-To: <41B123E4.1020601@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <35de0c3004120304582340ccec@mail.gmail.com> <41B123E4.1020601@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1102265955.29528.79.camel@presto.wooz.org> On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 21:41, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', day + (0,)*6)) should be something like: > time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', day + (0,0,0,0,1,0)) > > Looks like we should care 2.4 compatibilty first before jumping in it. Definitely. We should not release 2.1.6 until we're confident about Python 2.4 compatibility. I'll probably be testing this out on my own lists over the next few weeks. -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From poulakos at uiuc.edu Sun Dec 5 21:52:11 2004 From: poulakos at uiuc.edu (Steven Poulakos) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:52:11 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin (un)subscribe via wget or email w/out confirms Message-ID: <41B374FB.4040203@uiuc.edu> I would like to manage mailing list subscriptions through my own Web scripts. Unfortunately, I don't have shell access to the server that Mailman resides on. So, I must use either "wget" statements or email commands to administer subscriptions. My current problem is figuring out how to allow an admin to subscribe a user's email *without requiring the user to confirm* the subscription. Is there any way to do this with admin email commands or web scripts? The unsubscribe feature works using the following wget command: http://[domain.name]/mailman/options/[listname]/[user_email_address]?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1&password=[admin_password] That command will unsubscribe the user without a confirmation request. Does something comparable exist for subscriptions? Steve From msapiro at value.net Sun Dec 5 23:43:13 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:43:13 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin (un)subscribe via wget or email w/out confirms In-Reply-To: <41B374FB.4040203@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: Steven Poulakos wrote: > >My current problem is figuring out how to allow an admin to subscribe a >user's email *without requiring the user to confirm* the subscription. >Is there any way to do this with admin email commands or web scripts? > >The unsubscribe feature works using the following wget command: > >http://[domain.name]/mailman/options/[listname]/[user_email_address]?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1&password=[admin_password] > >That command will unsubscribe the user without a confirmation request. >Does something comparable exist for subscriptions? http://[domain.name]/mailman/admin/[listname]/members/add?subscribees=[user_email_address]&adminpw=[admin_password]&send_welcome_msg_to_this_batch=0&send_notifications_to_list_owner=0 You may or may not want send_welcome_msg_to_this_batch=0 and/or send_notifications_to_list_owner=0 depending on whether or not you want the welcome message and/or owner notification. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From djfreak at beathustler.com Mon Dec 6 00:03:25 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:03:25 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions regarding Mailman on OS X Server 10.2.8 PLEASE HELP! Message-ID: Hello list thank you for having me. I have some tough questions regarding my installation of Mailman on a Mac running OS X Server 10.2.8. I have successfully installed Mailman (Python was already installed as expected). I am able to create lists and have done so. I think there is a problem with my allases but I will deal with that problem later. I am not able to subscribe and am not responded to when I send subscription messages etc. But...more importantly, the web interface is not coming up when I type in www.beathustler.com/mailman. I host several sites but my lookup name name is www.beathustler.com and that's what I entered as per the Mailman install instructions. Now my site lives on a different drive than my boot volume and the CGI bin, etc. Do I have to create a symboic link to the Mailman web home and if so where is the home of Mailman's web interface on a UNIX install? I don't see any index.html anywhere. Is the personal Mailman web page compiled solely in CGI? The default CGI bin doesn't seem to have any Mailman scripts either. I'm getting "file not found" though not "Forbidden" which I would expect to at least see if it were a permissions issue. Needless to say there is no "Mailman" folder on the home of my website which confuses me. Shouldn't there need to be something called /Mailman on my web home to make /myhome.com/Mailman work? Thanks very much in advance for any help. -Evan From msapiro at value.net Mon Dec 6 00:17:36 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:17:36 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto Response Email Address In-Reply-To: <4cbc10a00412051240294a40db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Steven Owens wrote: >How do I change the email address auto responses come from? They >currently come from listname-bounces at mydomain.com. I think you'd have to hack the code in CommandRunner.py >Also, I have my prefrences set so that I should recieve the messages I >post to the list but I am not recieveing the messages. Please help! Just guessing here, but perhaps your preferences are set to avoid duplicates and your post Cc's yourself. If that's not it, check Mailman's bounce log. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Mon Dec 6 00:35:53 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:35:53 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions regarding Mailman on OS X Server 10.2.8PLEASE HELP! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: DJ Freak wrote: > >But...more importantly, the web interface is not coming up when I type >in www.beathustler.com/mailman. I host several sites but my lookup >name name is www.beathustler.com and that's what I entered as per the >Mailman install instructions. Now my site lives on a different drive >than my boot volume and the CGI bin, etc. Do I have to create a >symboic link to the Mailman web home and if so where is the home of >Mailman's web interface on a UNIX install? I don't see any index.html >anywhere. Is the personal Mailman web page compiled solely in CGI? >The default CGI bin doesn't seem to have any Mailman scripts either. >I'm getting "file not found" though not "Forbidden" which I would >expect to at least see if it were a permissions issue. Needless to say >there is no "Mailman" folder on the home of my website which confuses >me. Shouldn't there need to be something called /Mailman on my web >home to make /myhome.com/Mailman work? There is no "index.html". There is a cgi-bin directory which contains the various wrappers - admin, admindb, confirm, create, edithtml, listinfo, options, private, rmlist, roster and subscribe which in turn invoke scripts in Mailman/Cgi. The "home" of all this is usually called $prefix and defaults to /usr/local/mailman unless you changed it with --prefix= when you ran configure. You need to tell your web server to run scripts from $prefix/cgi-bin. For Apache this would be something like ScriptAlias /mailman/ $prefix/cgi-bin/ in the Apache config. All this is covered in the INSTALL document that comes with the standard distribution. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From poulakos at uiuc.edu Mon Dec 6 01:00:37 2004 From: poulakos at uiuc.edu (Steven Poulakos) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 18:00:37 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin (un)subscribe via wget or email w/out confirms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41B3A125.1080704@uiuc.edu> Mark, thanks so much for the info below! Is there any documentation related to this? I'd be interested to know what other actions are possible using similar commands? For example, how can I control notifications when unsubscribing (as done below)? If there isn't any documentation, I'd be happy to help put some together. Steve Mark Sapiro wrote: >Steven Poulakos wrote: > > >>My current problem is figuring out how to allow an admin to subscribe a >>user's email *without requiring the user to confirm* the subscription. >>Is there any way to do this with admin email commands or web scripts? >> >>The unsubscribe feature works using the following wget command: >> >>http://[domain.name]/mailman/options/[listname]/[user_email_address]?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1&password=[admin_password] >> >>That command will unsubscribe the user without a confirmation request. >>Does something comparable exist for subscriptions? >> >> > >http://[domain.name]/mailman/admin/[listname]/members/add?subscribees=[user_email_address]&adminpw=[admin_password]&send_welcome_msg_to_this_batch=0&send_notifications_to_list_owner=0 > >You may or may not want >send_welcome_msg_to_this_batch=0 >and/or >send_notifications_to_list_owner=0 >depending on whether or not you want the welcome message and/or owner >notification. > >-- >Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > From allen at circleofa.com Mon Dec 6 01:34:57 2004 From: allen at circleofa.com (Allen Watson) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 16:34:57 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting subscribers list In-Reply-To: <419E24D4.7080901@adinet.com.uy> Message-ID: I've found that I can get a membership list via email: I send a message to mylist-requrest at mydomain.com The message consists of "who admin-password" I get a full listing back of all non-hidden members. I've set all my lists to default to non-hidden. You would need to reformat the text of the list you receive, because it includes real names if given. On 11/19/04 8:52 AM, "Arlequ?n" wrote: > Hello, there! > > I am using MailMain trough its web-based interface. I don't have access > to the server where its runs, because it's a third-party hosting company > which provides me the MailMan service. > > I want to export the subscribers list in a format like this: > > subscriber1 at mydomain.com > subscriber2 at mydomain.com > . . . . . . . > subscriber9 at mydomain.com > > I wasn't able to find the way to perform this operation, searching > deeply into the options tree. > > Is it possible to obtain this kind of list? > > T.I.A. -- Your companion on the journey, Allen Watson The Circle of Atonement, P.O. Box 4238, W. Sedona, AZ 86340 "Whom you forgive is free, and what you give you share. Forgive the sins your brother thinks he has committed, and all the guilt you think you see in him." (A Course in Miracles, T-19.IV(D.i).15:9-10) From msapiro at value.net Mon Dec 6 01:51:42 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:51:42 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin (un)subscribe via wget or email w/out confirms In-Reply-To: <41B3A125.1080704@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: Steven Poulakos wrote: >Mark, thanks so much for the info below! Is there any documentation >related to this? I'd be interested to know what other actions are >possible using similar commands? For example, how can I control >notifications when unsubscribing (as done below)? I'm not aware of any documentation per se. The adminpw=[admin_password] is common to all the http://[domain.name]/mailman/admin/[listname]/ scripts. Beyond that, the simplest thing is just to look at the HTML source for the actual page and see what variables are sent back with the form and set those. Looking at the actual Python scripts in Mailman/Cgi and Mailman/Gui can help determine defaults. For example, in the mass subscribe URI below, it isn't necessary to set subscribe_or_invite because the default is subscribe. You can't control notifications when unsubscribing with the "options" URI below, because there is no e-mail notification from this unsubscribe. You could use the admin mass unsubscribe page with something like http://[domain.name]/mailman/admin/[listname]/members/remove?adminpw=[admin_password]&unsubscribees=[user_email_address] and then you could use send_unsub_ack_to_this_batch and send_unsub_notifications_to_list_owner to control notification. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > >Mark Sapiro wrote: > >>Steven Poulakos wrote: >> >> >>>My current problem is figuring out how to allow an admin to subscribe a >>>user's email *without requiring the user to confirm* the subscription. >>>Is there any way to do this with admin email commands or web scripts? >>> >>>The unsubscribe feature works using the following wget command: >>> >>>http://[domain.name]/mailman/options/[listname]/[user_email_address]?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1&password=[admin_password] >>> >>>That command will unsubscribe the user without a confirmation request. >>>Does something comparable exist for subscriptions? >>> >>> >> >>http://[domain.name]/mailman/admin/[listname]/members/add?subscribees=[user_email_address]&adminpw=[admin_password]&send_welcome_msg_to_this_batch=0&send_notifications_to_list_owner=0 >> >>You may or may not want >>send_welcome_msg_to_this_batch=0 >>and/or >>send_notifications_to_list_owner=0 >>depending on whether or not you want the welcome message and/or owner >>notification. >> >>-- >>Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, >>San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Mon Dec 6 01:54:33 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:54:33 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin (un)subscribe via wget or email w/out confirms In-Reply-To: <41B3A125.1080704@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: Steven Poulakos wrote: > >If there isn't any documentation, I'd be happy to help put some together. If you did put together something that could be added to the FAQ, I'm sure it would be appreciated. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Mon Dec 6 04:14:49 2004 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 12:14:49 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] japanese_codecs problem In-Reply-To: <542D1038-45B6-11D9-BBCE-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041203062550.0649dcb0@pop3.direcway.com> <41B11CC5.3010007@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <542D1038-45B6-11D9-BBCE-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Message-ID: <41B3CEA9.6020501@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, Dan Phillips wrote: > On Dec 3, 2004, at 8:11 PM, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > >> Speedy Gonzalis wrote: >> >>> Using Mailman v 2.1.4 I keep getting the following error. >>> Nov 30 19:19:07 2004 admin(29952): >>> /var/mailman/pythonlib/japanese/c/euc_jp.py:3: RuntimeWarning: Python >>> C API version mismatch for module _japanese_codecs: This Python has >>> API version 1011, module _japanese_codecs has version 1012. >>> I've searched the archives but didn't find anything. Can someone help? >> >> We (Japanese) had a same problem report on our mailing list. It looked >> like the package was made in a incompatible environment (by Fedora >> Core). Maybe you can fix it by upgrading your python to 2.3, or >> install mailman from source. >> > > I get a very similar message each month when password reminders go out > ever since I upgraded python to 2.3 for compatibility with Mailman 2.1.5 > (this is on OS X Server 10.2.8). Mailman was installed from source. The > reminders seem to go out to my Japanese subscribers OK, and all the web > pages work in Japanese; should I worry about it? > I just got this after I upgraded my python for mailman to 2.4. Reason is that I used --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python2.4 and forgot to update cron commands by crontab cron/crontab.in. Cheers, -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From djfreak at beathustler.com Mon Dec 6 08:17:57 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:17:57 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Relay Access Denied! - FInal question on Postfix/Mailman (I hope) Message-ID: So everyone can ignore all of my previous posts now. My last and I hope final problem is that postfix absolutely refuses to relay for Mailman. I have my IP/24 and 127.0.0.1/24 listed in main.cf for Postfix. I have my aliases listed in ~mailman/data/aliases. mailmanctl restart now works perfectly. I have run postalias aliases as super user. I have built mail groups. I can add members and those members get welcomed with no problem. I JUST CAN'T POST! I have tried making beat-hustler at mail.beathustler.com the address and I have tried making beat-hustler at www.beathustler.com the address. I even made beat-hustler at beathustler.com the address. It either comes in to myself as a regular non-board mail or it gets relay access denied. How do I get Postfix to relay for mailman senders?? Thank you very much in advance. -Evan Miller From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Dec 6 12:00:45 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:00:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Relay Access Denied! - FInal question on Postfix/Mailman (I hope) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:17 PM -0800 2004-12-05, DJ Freak wrote: > How do I get Postfix to relay for mailman senders?? Well, it's kind of hard to make any suggestions without seeing any configuration file information, or log data showing the Mailman and postfix sides of the conversation, etc.... That said, this is more of a postfix problem, and while there are admins on the list who know a fair amount about postfix, you may be better off trying to get assistance on this subject using resources specific to that MTA. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From allen at circleofa.com Mon Dec 6 16:20:59 2004 From: allen at circleofa.com (Allen Watson) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 07:20:59 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: confirm 415f1e7c20f27b8583e84cdc7bf87dcbff2837c7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/5/04 10:31 PM, "mailman-users-request at python.org" wrote: > Mailing list removal confirmation notice for mailing list > Mailman-Users > > We have received a request for the removal of your email address, > "allen at circleofa.com" from the mailman-users at python.org mailing list. > To confirm that you want to be removed from this mailing list, simply > reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact. Or visit > this web page: > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/confirm/mailman-users/415f1e7c20f27b8583e84cdc7 > bf87dcbff2837c7 > > > Or include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a > message to mailman-users-request at python.org: > > confirm 415f1e7c20f27b8583e84cdc7bf87dcbff2837c7 > > Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from > most mail readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in the > right form (additional "Re:" text in the Subject: is okay). > > If you do not wish to be removed from this list, please simply > disregard this message. If you think you are being maliciously > removed from the list, or have any other questions, send them to > mailman-users-owner at python.org. > -- Your companion on the journey, Allen Watson The Circle of Atonement, P.O. Box 4238, W. Sedona, AZ 86340 "Whom you forgive is free, and what you give you share. Forgive the sins your brother thinks he has committed, and all the guilt you think you see in him." (A Course in Miracles, T-19.IV(D.i).15:9-10) From ben at adversary.org Mon Dec 6 17:10:48 2004 From: ben at adversary.org (Ben McGinnes) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 03:10:48 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tracebacks with 2.1.5 since upgrading to Python 2.4 In-Reply-To: <35de0c3004120304582340ccec@mail.gmail.com>; from fehwalker@gmail.com on Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 07:58:26AM -0500 References: <35de0c3004120304582340ccec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041207031048.B19482@devious.adversary.org> Bryan Fullerton(fehwalker at gmail.com)@Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 07:58:26AM -0500: > > Do I need to do something with Mailman after updating to Python 2.4, > or is this a bug? Looks like I'm getting the same thing with Mailman 2.1.4 and Python 2.4, although the mail sent to the lists is reaching the appropriate destinations. Not sure if it is affecting anything else. 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Okay, I just did a couple of tests here and after doing a "mailmanctl restart" I no longer appear to be receiving those traceback errors. Hopefully that should be the end of it. Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 174 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20041207/c4a41e45/attachment.pgp From rbranch1 at rochester.rr.com Mon Dec 6 21:24:56 2004 From: rbranch1 at rochester.rr.com (Bob Branch) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help desperately - Problem logging in Message-ID: I have 3 lists running at 3 different domains. The following is common to all 3 lists. I have to log in each time I change to a different category. When I change a to different category I get the log-in screen and when I log back in I am now in the category I desired. An added symptom is even though I am in as administrator any changes I make do not take effect. Any idea what is going on? I did check my cookies and they are enabled. Bob --------------------- E-Mail: mailto:bob at w2ras.com Website: www.rebhosting.com From jmck at ece.cmu.edu Mon Dec 6 21:34:23 2004 From: jmck at ece.cmu.edu (Jim McKinney) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:34:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] using other lists as valid entries for accept_these_nonmembers Message-ID: Hi Folks, I'm relatively new to mailman and I'm in the process of converting my majordomo based lists. I recently ran into an issue and I can't seem to track down an answer. We have two lists here, faculty and secretaries. I am trying to set things up so that anyone who is a member of the secretaries list has permission to post to faculty. Under majordomo I did this by putting the subscription list for secretries in the "restrict_post" for faculty. By doing this any additions/deletions to the secretary list were automatically known to the faculty list. My goal here is to avoid having our administrators need to do multiple steps when making a modification to the secretaries list. In addition to the faculty list there are quite a few others that secretaries can automatically post to. So, I guess the Reader's Digest version of my question is can I configure things so that the subscribers list for secretaries is included in the accept_these_nonmembers list for faculty. Any help is greatly appreciated. thanx -jmck -- Jim McKinney jmck at ece.cmu.edu System Administrator Manager, ECE Office: HH1304 Carnegie Mellon University (412) 268-5141 I quite often remember to forget such things. - Winnie the Pooh From msapiro at value.net Mon Dec 6 21:56:27 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:56:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help desperately - Problem logging in In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bob Branch wrote: >I have 3 lists running at 3 different domains. The following is common to all 3 >lists. > >I have to log in each time I change to a different category. When I change a >to different category I get the log-in screen and when I log back in I am now >in the category I desired. >An added symptom is even though I am in as administrator any changes I make do >not take effect. > >Any idea what is going on? I did check my cookies and they are enabled. > This FAQ may help- http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.045.htp -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Mon Dec 6 22:01:20 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:01:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] using other lists as valid entries foraccept_these_nonmembers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim McKinney wrote: > >So, I guess the Reader's Digest version of my question is can I configure >things so that the subscribers list for secretaries is included in the >accept_these_nonmembers list for faculty. See http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#listinclusion -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From duncan.salada at titan.com Mon Dec 6 22:29:45 2004 From: duncan.salada at titan.com (Salada, Duncan) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:29:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive sort order Message-ID: Since nobody seemed to have any help on this subject, I'll post what I have done to make it work. I have very limited knowledge of python, so comments/suggestions are appreciated. It's just a change to one file (the diff is below). literacy% diff HyperDatabase.py HyperDatabase.py.old 294,295d293 < if index == 'date': dateIndex = 1 < else: dateIndex = 0 299,301d296 < if dateIndex == 1: < index.sorted.reverse() < key, msgid = index.first() Duncan ----------------------------------------------- Duncan Salada Titan Corporation > -----Original Message----- > From: Salada, Duncan > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:18 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive sort order > > > Hello All, > > I'm new to the list, so I hope this hasn't been asked too > many times before (I did try to use the searchable archives, > but mail-archive.com is refusing connection). > > How can I change the sort order for the archives of our > lists? In other words, I'd like the archives to be sorted by > date descending instead of date ascending. Any help on how > to do this? > > Duncan > > ----------------------------------------------- > Duncan Salada > Titan Corporation From dann at thelinuxlink.net Mon Dec 6 23:09:09 2004 From: dann at thelinuxlink.net (Dann S. Washko) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:09:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest being sent over and over Message-ID: <41B4D885.4050300@thelinuxlink.net> Perhaps I am missing something here and I appologize if that is the case. I set up Mailman 2.1.5 to handle some very low-traffic, moderated lists. Some users subscribed to the digest and we are noticing that the digest is being sent out everyday, even if there are no posts for that day, and includes all the posts from the start of the list. I'm trying to figure out what is wrong. I run some other lists on another server and the digest only goes out for that day if there are postings to the list. Furthermore, once a digest goes out, the next one does not contain the information from the previous digest. I compared the settings between the two lists and do not see anything different under the digest options. I'm running Mailman on a slackware 10.0 system. Thanks. From jeff at cia.net Mon Dec 6 23:01:31 2004 From: jeff at cia.net (Jeff Garvas) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:01:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list users not getting mail Message-ID: <20041206220130.GA774@agent.cia.net> I'm running Version 2.1.5 in a qmail environment. I recently had to deal with a spam issue (another device on the same segment as me was running an open proxy and that machine was permitted to relay through me) Once I solved that one of my larger mailing lists started generating complaints of users not getting messages from the list anymore. I ran bin/lists_members --nomail and can not find anyone who was shut off due to bounces. (I'm running VERP to help clean the list properly). People subscribed to the list are simply not getting messages. Further investigation shows that they're not blocking SMTP from our server. Can anyone advise me as to why this is happening and how I can fix these users so that they get mail again? Thanks, -Jeff From msapiro at value.net Mon Dec 6 23:23:10 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:23:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest being sent over and over In-Reply-To: <41B4D885.4050300@thelinuxlink.net> Message-ID: Dann S. Washko wrote: >Perhaps I am missing something here and I appologize if that is the >case. I set up Mailman 2.1.5 to handle some very low-traffic, moderated >lists. Some users subscribed to the digest and we are noticing that the >digest is being sent out everyday, even if there are no posts for that >day, and includes all the posts from the start of the list. I'm trying >to figure out what is wrong. It seems that for some reason, the list's digest.mbox file is not being removed after production of the day's digest. Have you checked Mailman's logs for possible reasons? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Mon Dec 6 23:33:20 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:33:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list users not getting mail In-Reply-To: <20041206220130.GA774@agent.cia.net> Message-ID: Jeff Garvas wrote: >I'm running Version 2.1.5 in a qmail environment. I recently had to deal >with a spam issue (another device on the same segment as me was running >an open proxy and that machine was permitted to relay through me) > >Once I solved that one of my larger mailing lists started generating >complaints of users not getting messages from the list anymore. Have you tried looking up your own IP at (for example) http://www.openrbl.org/ to see how many blacklists you're on? >I ran bin/lists_members --nomail and can not find anyone who was shut >off due to bounces. (I'm running VERP to help clean the list properly). > >People subscribed to the list are simply not getting messages. Further >investigation shows that they're not blocking SMTP from our server. Presumably all you know is that they don't overtly deny you or refuse to accept your connect. That doesn't mean that they will deliver your mail to the end user if they think you're a bad guy. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dann at thelinuxlink.net Tue Dec 7 00:30:23 2004 From: dann at thelinuxlink.net (dann s washko) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:30:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest being sent over and over In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41B4EB8F.5060308@thelinuxlink.net> Mark Sapiro wrote: >It seems that for some reason, the list's digest.mbox file is not being >removed after production of the day's digest. Have you checked >Mailman's logs for possible reasons? > > I've been looking through the logs and no, I don't see any error regarding the digest. I looked through the digest.mbox and it still contains all the old messages. I verified that the permissions on the digest were rw for for the owner and group (which are mailman.mailman). From revdave at gomorris.net Tue Dec 7 00:45:07 2004 From: revdave at gomorris.net (David Morris) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:45:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Location of Bounce Messages Message-ID: <01ae01c4dbed$9e510b20$6500a8c0@revdave> I have not been able to find this question in a search of the archives or the FAQ. Where would the actual bounce messages be stored? I have a user (my Aunt) that recieved the bounce probe message and emailed me that they were wondering why they hadn't been getting messages from the list (digest version running about every 3-4 days). The probe message made it through, but she is still not receiving the messages. I can see in the bounce log where her bounce score increases, but I want to actually see the message that comes from her isp to see what they are saying about her. I am sure it is because of something her isp has done (over-zealous and clueless spam protection is my guess), but I want to be able to see that and give her information that will help her in talking with her isp. I can't find any help in the mail log either. I was able to see where the bounce message came back, but that is it. Is there some place where the original bounce message is stored for a time? Or is there a way I can "listen in" on the bounce processing to maybe see what those messages are saying. Or do I need to turn off automatic bounce processing for a time until this is figured out. I am running mailman 2.1.5 (compiled from sources) on debian with Exim4 as the MTA. Rev David Morris GentleWare Studios Dayton, IA From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 7 01:15:46 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:15:46 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Location of Bounce Messages In-Reply-To: <01ae01c4dbed$9e510b20$6500a8c0@revdave> Message-ID: David Morris wrote: >I have not been able to find this question in a search of the archives or >the FAQ. > >Where would the actual bounce messages be stored? > >I have a user (my Aunt) that recieved the bounce probe message and emailed >me that they were wondering why they hadn't been getting messages from the >list (digest version running about every 3-4 days). The probe message made >it through, but she is still not receiving the messages. I can see in the >bounce log where her bounce score increases, but I want to actually see the >message that comes from her isp to see what they are saying about her. > >I am sure it is because of something her isp has done (over-zealous and >clueless spam protection is my guess), but I want to be able to see that and >give her information that will help her in talking with her isp. > >I can't find any help in the mail log either. I was able to see where the >bounce message came back, but that is it. > >Is there some place where the original bounce message is stored for a time? No. If bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is on you will receive notification when delivery is disabled for bouncing. That notification will contain a copy of the bounce message, but the ones that merely increment the score are discarded. >Or is there a way I can "listen in" on the bounce processing to maybe see >what those messages are saying. Or do I need to turn off automatic bounce >processing for a time until this is figured out. Turning off bounce processing won't help. You still won't see the bounces. If you could arrange your listname-bounces alias to go to you instead of or as well as going to mailman, that would enable you to see the bounce messages. This may be difficult to do if Exim is set up to do the Mailman stuff automagically. >I am running mailman 2.1.5 (compiled from sources) on debian with Exim4 as >the MTA. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From rrichman at shirotora.us Tue Dec 7 01:39:24 2004 From: rrichman at shirotora.us (R Richman) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:39:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new list created for vhost but links use default machine name for lists instead In-Reply-To: <20041206221109.C6F4C1E400A@bag.python.org> References: <20041206221109.C6F4C1E400A@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <41B4FBBC.5000307@shirotora.us> Ok now that I have my other issues resolved (finally!) I now run into the problem with virtual hosts. I have 3 lists currently setup on my server. Will call the server domain example.com, the working domain example2.com and the semi-working domain example3.com (hope that makes sense...) I have a list that was put in place by my admin when he installed Mailman the links all work as they should ie http://example2.com/mailman/admin works and all the links w/n reflect example2.com I have another list which the admin links work, but they revert to the Mailman default in Defaults.py even though I have settings in mm_cfg.py that afaik match www.example3.com, example3.com in the add_virtual host that I read in the faq/Defaults.py page. IOW http://example3.com/mailman/admin/example3 works, when you click any link it goes to Mailman default of http://example.com/mailman/admin/example3 instead of http://example3.com/mailman/admin/example3 and when you choose show all Mailman lists for example3.com it shows the list I currently have setup for example3.com and the list currently setup on example.com I did set the general option preference for preferred host name to example3.com what I can't figure out is where I need to set the virtual host option(s) so that the pages will reflect the correct virtual host and not the server name (example.com). I so far can't figure out what it is I missed that is not letting mm_cfg.py override the Defaults.py and I also ran mailmanctl restart and that still doesn't seem to help. Anyone have some thoughts? TIA! -- shirotora.net Hosting powered by ShiroTora Interservices * Web hosting on a solid, industrial-class UNIX server * Consulting/Research Hardware/Software and more * Single Year Domain Registration(s) from $24 From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 7 01:49:47 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:49:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest being sent over and over In-Reply-To: <41B4EB8F.5060308@thelinuxlink.net> Message-ID: dann s washko wrote: >I've been looking through the logs and no, I don't see any error >regarding the digest. I looked through the digest.mbox and it still >contains all the old messages. I verified that the permissions on the >digest were rw for for the owner and group (which are mailman.mailman). Do you see any errors at all in the error log at the time a digest is produced? The owner, group and permissions on digest.mbox are as they should be. When digests are produced, the MIME format digest is queued to be sent, then the plain digest is queued, then a couple of calls return and os.unlink(digestmbox) is called to remove digest.mbox. Since the digests get sent, about the only thing that can go wrong is the os.unlink() call itself unless only MIME and not plain digests are being sent. Without more clues, I'm stuck. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 7 02:00:38 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:00:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new list created for vhost but links use defaultmachine name for lists instead In-Reply-To: <41B4FBBC.5000307@shirotora.us> Message-ID: R Richman wrote: > >I did set the general option preference for preferred host name to >example3.com what I can't figure out is where I need to set the virtual >host option(s) so that the pages will reflect the correct virtual host >and not the server name (example.com). I so far can't figure out what >it is I missed that is not letting mm_cfg.py override the Defaults.py >and I also ran mailmanctl restart and that still doesn't seem to help. You probably need to run fix_url.py. Changing host_name on the general options sets the email host, but not the web host or web URL for existing lists. You need to run bin/fix_url.py under bin/withlist to fix the web URL. See bin/fixurl.py and bin/withlist --help -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jeff at cia.net Tue Dec 7 03:16:45 2004 From: jeff at cia.net (Jeff Garvas) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:16:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list users not getting mail In-Reply-To: <20041206220130.GA774@agent.cia.net> References: <20041206220130.GA774@agent.cia.net> Message-ID: <20041207021645.GA29476@agent.cia.net> Solved this! Relaying problem. Does anyone here know why the qmail-to-mailman.py fails when VERP addresses bounce back? I get the error from inside this python script saying to go to the list page. I don't know much about Python so I'm not sure I'm going to be able to hack this one myself. I'd like to use verp and I really want to use this script (it makes making lists incredibly simple) -Jeff On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 05:01:31PM -0500 or thereabouts, Jeff Garvas wrote: > I'm running Version 2.1.5 in a qmail environment. I recently had to deal > with a spam issue (another device on the same segment as me was running > an open proxy and that machine was permitted to relay through me) > > Once I solved that one of my larger mailing lists started generating > complaints of users not getting messages from the list anymore. > > I ran bin/lists_members --nomail and can not find anyone who was shut > off due to bounces. (I'm running VERP to help clean the list properly). > > People subscribed to the list are simply not getting messages. Further > investigation shows that they're not blocking SMTP from our server. > > Can anyone advise me as to why this is happening and how I can fix these > users so that they get mail again? > > Thanks, > > -Jeff > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From dann at thelinuxlink.net Tue Dec 7 03:27:40 2004 From: dann at thelinuxlink.net (dann s washko) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:27:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest being sent over and over In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41B5151C.7080504@thelinuxlink.net> Mark Sapiro wrote: >dann s washko wrote: > > > >>I've been looking through the logs and no, I don't see any error >>regarding the digest. I looked through the digest.mbox and it still >>contains all the old messages. I verified that the permissions on the >>digest were rw for for the owner and group (which are mailman.mailman). >> >> > >Do you see any errors at all in the error log at the time a digest is >produced? > > > Nope, the only thing in my errors logs are the few failed login attempts to non-existent lists from the web adminstration page. >The owner, group and permissions on digest.mbox are as they should be. >When digests are produced, the MIME format digest is queued to be >sent, then the plain digest is queued, then a couple of calls return >and > >os.unlink(digestmbox) > >is called to remove digest.mbox. Since the digests get sent, about the >only thing that can go wrong is the os.unlink() call itself unless >only MIME and not plain digests are being sent. > >Without more clues, I'm stuck. > >-- >Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > I did notice something with regards to permissions though. While all the files in the list directory were owned by mailman.mailman, the directory itself was root.mailman. I'm not sure whether this makes a difference or not. I have since set the entire mailman directory and it's contents to be owned by mailman.mailman just to be sure. From etaylor at amnh.org Tue Dec 7 04:02:42 2004 From: etaylor at amnh.org (Ezra Taylor) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 22:02:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] disabling archiving for all lists Message-ID: <41B51D52.10301@amnh.org> Hello all: I would like to disable archiving for all list on my listserv. Can I just change the parameter DEFAULT_ARCHIVE to 0 and then restart mailman for this to take effect system wide? If this is not possible, can I use withlist(how to create a python to accomplish this). Thank You Ezra Taylor From Mark at Rauterkus.com Tue Dec 7 05:09:28 2004 From: Mark at Rauterkus.com (Mark Rauterkus) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 00:09:28 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] stuck trying to install Mailman on virtual server at buehill.com Message-ID: <200412070410.iB74AtZk056764@rauterkus.com> HI All, I've a long-time webmaster and mailman list owner -- but I stink at installs. I need some help. Generally I just do a vinstall mailman at the shell prompt. Bingo. Done. But, that isn't an option. I've got two accounts now at Bluehill.com. I'm upgrading to a new box. By the way, in my other, older FreeBSD box, my 8,000 contact list exceeded the memory chunk for the virtual box. It crashes and sends out fail messages. I've tried this: % su -l root pkg_add -r mailman Error: FTP Unable to get ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-4.7-release/Latest/mai lman.tgz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access ) pkg_add: unable to fetch 'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages- 4.7-release/Latest/mailman.tgz' by URL Then I tried this with the longer URL. pkg_add -r ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i366/packages-5-stable /Latest/mailman.tbz Error: FTP Unable to get ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-4 .7-release/Latest/ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i366/packages-5-stable/L ates t/mailman.tbz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) pkg_add: unable to fetch 'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages- 4.7-release/Latest/ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i366/packages-5-stable/ Late st/mailman.tbz' by URL rauterkus ~# - - - HELP. What can I do? Thanks for you help. What else is needed to help me. Ta. Mark Rauterkus Mark at Rauterkus.com http://Rauterkus.blogspot.com http://Rauterkus.com http://Platform.For-Pgh.org From jwt at OnJapan.net Tue Dec 7 07:56:50 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:56:50 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] disabling archiving for all lists In-Reply-To: <41B51D52.10301@amnh.org> References: <41B51D52.10301@amnh.org> Message-ID: <20041207065650.GL21857@server.onjapan.net> On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 10:02:42PM -0500, Ezra Taylor wrote: > I would like to disable archiving for all list on my > listserv. Can I just change the parameter DEFAULT_ARCHIVE to 0 and then > restart mailman for this to take effect system wide? That will only set the default for newly created lists. > If this is not possible, can I use withlist(how to create a > python to accomplish this). Create noarchive.py: ### noarchive.py def noarchive(mlist): mlist.archive = 0 mlist.Save() ### And then use bin/withlist to run it across all your lists: % bin/withlist -l -a -r noarchive (Note this doesn't keep a list owner from reenabling archiving.) -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at OnJapan.net Tue Dec 7 10:36:50 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:36:50 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with "Discard all messages marked Defer" In-Reply-To: <20041012214439.08f7da55@osage.osagesoftware.com> References: <20041012214439.08f7da55@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: <20041207093650.GA26675@server.onjapan.net> On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 09:44:39PM -0400, David Relson wrote: > I've noticed a minor problem with mailman 2.1.5. >[...] > Occasionally, I will use the "you can view all messages from > address at example.com" link. If I click on "Discard all messages marked > Defer", the message isn't discarded. Thanks for the report. Here is one way to fix it: --- Mailman/Cgi/admindb-2.1.5.py 2004-05-01 01:50:42.000000000 +0900 +++ Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py 2004-12-07 17:47:35.832656288 +0900 @@ -757,6 +757,8 @@ mm_cfg.DISCARD, mm_cfg.SUBSCRIBE, mm_cfg.UNSUBSCRIBE, mm_cfg.ACCEPT, mm_cfg.HOLD): continue + if v == mm_cfg.DEFER and discardalldefersp: + v = mm_cfg.DISCARD # Get the action comment and reasons if present. commentkey = 'comment-%d' % request_id preservekey = 'preserve-%d' % request_id You can get the patch file from: -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Tue Dec 7 14:25:22 2004 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 22:25:22 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with "Discard all messages marked Defer" In-Reply-To: <20041207093650.GA26675@server.onjapan.net> References: <20041012214439.08f7da55@osage.osagesoftware.com> <20041207093650.GA26675@server.onjapan.net> Message-ID: <41B5AF42.4030600@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Thank you Jim. I take another way. The term 'all' may be confusing if only a part of the pending list is shown. I removed the checkbox for sender/msgid lists in CVS. Jim Tittsler wrote: > On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 09:44:39PM -0400, David Relson wrote: > >>I've noticed a minor problem with mailman 2.1.5. >>[...] >>Occasionally, I will use the "you can view all messages from >>address at example.com" link. If I click on "Discard all messages marked >>Defer", the message isn't discarded. > > > Thanks for the report. Here is one way to fix it: > > --- Mailman/Cgi/admindb-2.1.5.py 2004-05-01 01:50:42.000000000 +0900 > +++ Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py 2004-12-07 17:47:35.832656288 +0900 > @@ -757,6 +757,8 @@ > mm_cfg.DISCARD, mm_cfg.SUBSCRIBE, mm_cfg.UNSUBSCRIBE, > mm_cfg.ACCEPT, mm_cfg.HOLD): > continue > + if v == mm_cfg.DEFER and discardalldefersp: > + v = mm_cfg.DISCARD > # Get the action comment and reasons if present. > commentkey = 'comment-%d' % request_id > preservekey = 'preserve-%d' % request_id > > You can get the patch file from: > > > -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From agrieco at gmail.com Tue Dec 7 14:48:21 2004 From: agrieco at gmail.com (Anthony Grieco) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:48:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] PGP, mmreencrypt and DEFAULT_FILTER_PROGRAM In-Reply-To: <557f1a8504120704521f273871@mail.gmail.com> References: <557f1a8504120704521f273871@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <557f1a85041207054835f9e032@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have been searching for a MLM that is PGP enabled (ie send mails using list pub key, and re-encrypt out to members via their public keys). Mailman seemed to have what I wanted with mmreencrypt. I now have mailman up and working with Qmail and went to do the mmreencrypt integration and found that the requirement of DEFAULT_FILTER_PROGRAM seems to be now gone (and been replaced by the built in mime filters?). Is mmreencrypt still the way to go- or are there others addons? (or other MLMs that might handle this better/natively)? Has anyone gotten mmreencrypt working with a recent version of Mailman? thanks anthony From etaylor at amnh.org Tue Dec 7 15:14:21 2004 From: etaylor at amnh.org (Ezra Taylor) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 09:14:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] disabling archiving for all lists In-Reply-To: <20041207065650.GL21857@server.onjapan.net> References: <41B51D52.10301@amnh.org> <20041207065650.GL21857@server.onjapan.net> Message-ID: <41B5BABD.3000305@amnh.org> Jim Tittsler wrote: >On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 10:02:42PM -0500, Ezra Taylor wrote: > > >> I would like to disable archiving for all list on my >>listserv. Can I just change the parameter DEFAULT_ARCHIVE to 0 and then >>restart mailman for this to take effect system wide? >> >> > >That will only set the default for newly created lists. > > > >>If this is not possible, can I use withlist(how to create a >>python to accomplish this). >> >> > >Create noarchive.py: >### noarchive.py >def noarchive(mlist): > mlist.archive = 0 > mlist.Save() >### > >And then use bin/withlist to run it across all your lists: >% bin/withlist -l -a -r noarchive > >(Note this doesn't keep a list owner from reenabling archiving.) > > > Thanks Jim From Cleveland at winnefox.org Tue Dec 7 17:01:48 2004 From: Cleveland at winnefox.org (Jody Cleveland) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:01:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error when installing mailman Message-ID: <7D3DDF19D93C3642931C3EB8803165A9013B7C2E@mail.winnefox.org> Hello, I'm trying to install the current version of mailman on a redhat 3.0AS server. During 'make install' I get this message looped continuously: make[4]: Entering directory `/home/cleveland/mailman-2.1.5' Creating architecture independent directories... chmod o-r /usr/local/mailman/archives/private Creating architecture dependent directories... /bin/sh: line 1: cd: bin: No such file or directory -------------- I don't get any error messages before that. Is there anything you know of that might be wrong? -- Jody Cleveland Computer Support Specialist cleveland at winnefox.org From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 7 17:41:16 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:41:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error when installing mailman In-Reply-To: <7D3DDF19D93C3642931C3EB8803165A9013B7C2E@mail.winnefox.org> Message-ID: Jody Cleveland wrote: > >I'm trying to install the current version of mailman on a redhat 3.0AS >server. During 'make install' I get this message looped continuously: >make[4]: Entering directory `/home/cleveland/mailman-2.1.5' >Creating architecture independent directories... >chmod o-r /usr/local/mailman/archives/private >Creating architecture dependent directories... >/bin/sh: line 1: cd: bin: No such file or directory > >-------------- >I don't get any error messages before that. Is there anything you know >of that might be wrong? Hhhhmmmm..... Could it be that there is no /home/cleveland/mailman-2.1.5/bin directory? If so, what else is missing? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 7 17:44:24 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:44:24 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest being sent over and over In-Reply-To: <41B5151C.7080504@thelinuxlink.net> Message-ID: dann s washko wrote: >I did notice something with regards to permissions though. While all >the files in the list directory were owned by mailman.mailman, the >directory itself was root.mailman. I'm not sure whether this makes a >difference or not. I have since set the entire mailman directory and >it's contents to be owned by mailman.mailman just to be sure. What user's crontab runs the mailman cron jobs? It should be mailman. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From M.Messa at tno.it Tue Dec 7 19:09:22 2004 From: M.Messa at tno.it (Monica Messa) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 19:09:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown error when creating a new list Message-ID: <009d01c4dc87$e0bc77c0$2311428a@csata.tno.it> I use Postfix as my MTA and get an error like this when creating a new list: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/virtual/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/var/virtual/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/var/virtual/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 226, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/var/virtual/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create _update_maps() File "/var/virtual/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: postalias /var/virtual/mailman/data/aliases (status: 127, Unknown error 127) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.3 (#1, Aug 8 2003, 08:44:02) [GCC 3.2.3 20030502 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.3-13)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python2.2 sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Environment variables: Variable Value CONTENT_LENGTH 151 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_COOKIE phpbb2mysql_data=s%3A0%3A%22%22%3B SCRIPT_FILENAME /var/virtual/mailman/cgi-bin/create PYTHONPATH /var/virtual/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/2.0.46 (Red Hat) SERVER_ADMIN root at localhost SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/2.0.46 (Red Hat) Server at mailman.rupar.puglia.it Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST mailman.rupar.puglia.it SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL no-cache REQUEST_URI /mailman/create HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, application/x-shockwave-flash, */* HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive HTTP_REFERER http://mailman.rupar.puglia.it/mailman/create SERVER_NAME mailman.rupar.puglia.it REMOTE_ADDR 138.66.17.35 REMOTE_PORT 3744 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE it UNIQUE_ID NqYYm4pCIFAAADSgoNwAAAAF SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate SERVER_ADDR 138.66.32.80 DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/virtual/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Configuring Mailman, I execute: ./configure --prefix=/var/virtual/mailman --with-groupname=apache --with-mai lhost=ct.rupar.puglia.it --with-urlhost=mailman.rupar.puglia.it --with-cgi-g id=apache --with-mail-gid=apache --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.2 I am able, as mailman user, to run postalias on the aliases file, just fine. -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman apache 2766 7 dic 18:48 data/aliases -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman apache 12288 7 dic 18:09 data/aliases.db Can someone help me, so that I can successfullt create lists via the web? Do you need other information? Thank you, Monica M. From dann at thelinuxlink.net Tue Dec 7 19:36:59 2004 From: dann at thelinuxlink.net (Dann S. Washko) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:36:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest being sent over and over In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41B5F84B.5040305@thelinuxlink.net> Mark Sapiro wrote: >dann s washko wrote: > > > >>I did notice something with regards to permissions though. While all >>the files in the list directory were owned by mailman.mailman, the >>directory itself was root.mailman. I'm not sure whether this makes a >>difference or not. I have since set the entire mailman directory and >>it's contents to be owned by mailman.mailman just to be sure. >> >> > >What user's crontab runs the mailman cron jobs? It should be mailman. > >-- >Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > Yes, the cron job runs as mailman. I think that was the problem, the directory owner. A digest went out at noon and I no longer see the digest file in the list directory anymore. We'll see what happens tomorrow. From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 7 19:53:40 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:53:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown error when creating a new list In-Reply-To: <009d01c4dc87$e0bc77c0$2311428a@csata.tno.it> Message-ID: Monica Messa wrote: > >Configuring Mailman, I execute: > >./configure --prefix=/var/virtual/mailman --with-groupname=apache --with-mai >lhost=ct.rupar.puglia.it --with-urlhost=mailman.rupar.puglia.it --with-cgi-g >id=apache --with-mail-gid=apache --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.2 --with-groupname=apache is probably not correct. You probably want the default (--with-groupname=mailman) here. --with-mail-gid=apache is almost certainly wrong although that isn't the cause of this error. The group you need here is the group that Postfix runs in. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dann at thelinuxlink.net Tue Dec 7 20:03:40 2004 From: dann at thelinuxlink.net (Dann S. Washko) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:03:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest being sent over and over In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41B5FE8C.6030208@thelinuxlink.net> Mark Sapiro wrote: >>I think that was the problem, the directory owner. A digest went out at >>noon and I no longer see the digest file in the list directory anymore. >>We'll see what happens tomorrow. >> >> > >If it succeeded in deleting the digest.mbox, you should be OK. I wonder >about changing the owner though. If that fixed it, maybe other >permissions are not right. > >In my case the mailman/ and the mailman/lists directories are owned by >root and the mailman/lists/ directory is owned by www if the >list is created via the web and by mailman if created by bin/newlist. >All the directories have permissions drwxrwsr-x > >I think if group has rws, who the owner is is not important. > >Does this agree with what you see? > >-- >Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > That is how my permissions are set, but apparently it did not like having the owner of the directory as root. So when the sticky bit is set on a directory that means only the owner of the file and directory may remove the file. The owner was mailman, the owner of the directory was root, and the sticky bit was set on the group. I guess this mixture worked to prevent the mailman user from deleting the file. After doing some testing this is what I have noticed. Since the mailman account does not have a password I cannot log in as the mailman account. The mailman account is not part of the mailman group (is this a problem?). If I create a test directory, with subdirectory and in that subdirectory put a file; then set the permission as so: topdir: rwxrwsr-x mailman.mailman subdir: rwxrwsr-x root.mailman file: rwxrwsr-x mailman.mailman and I su - mailman from root it let me view and edit the file, but I cannot delete the file. So, based upon me setting the wrong ownerships, mailman did what it was supposed to do but could not delete the digest file. That was my problem. Mailman was the owner of the file, but not the directory so it could not delete the file. Thanks for assistance. From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 7 20:52:40 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:52:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest being sent over and over (Drifting off topic) In-Reply-To: <41B5FE8C.6030208@thelinuxlink.net> Message-ID: Dann S. Washko wrote: >That is how my permissions are set, but apparently it did not like >having the owner of the directory as root. So when the sticky bit is >set on a directory that means only the owner of the file and directory >may remove the file. The owner was mailman, the owner of the directory >was root, and the sticky bit was set on the group. I guess this mixture >worked to prevent the mailman user from deleting the file. Well, changing the owner of the directory seems to have solved your problem and that's the bottom line. However, there are a few problems with the above. Despite what the manpage implies, the sticky bit on a directory usually means that either the owner of the directory OR the owner of a file in the directory can delete the file. Thus when a tmp/ directory has the sticky bit, I can create files there and delete my files, but only the owner of the tmp/ directory can delete other people's files. All this is moot however since the 's' in rwxrwsr-x is not the sticky bit, it is the setgid bit. The sticky bit would be the 't' in for example rwxrwxr-t. >After doing some testing this is what I have noticed. > >Since the mailman account does not have a password I cannot log in as >the mailman account. The mailman account is not part of the mailman >group (is this a problem?). I think it's a problem. The INSTALL document says "The mailman user created in the previous step must be a member of this group." I'm not sure how things are working at all if this isn't the case. >If I create a test directory, with >subdirectory and in that subdirectory put a file; then set the >permission as so: > >topdir: rwxrwsr-x mailman.mailman > subdir: rwxrwsr-x root.mailman > file: rwxrwsr-x mailman.mailman > >and I su - mailman from root it let me view and edit the file, but I >cannot delete the file. So, based upon me setting the wrong ownerships, >mailman did what it was supposed to do but could not delete the digest >file. That was my problem. Mailman was the owner of the file, but not >the directory so it could not delete the file. I think the issue here is the mailman user is not in the mailman group. The only thing that prevents the mailman user from deleting 'file' is the lack of write permission on 'subdir' because the mailman user is not root and is not in the mailman group. Actually, if the 'sticky' bit were set on subdir (rwxrwsr-t), I think mailman could delete file in this example. The only question is how did mailman create the file in the first place? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From Darren.Young at ChicagoGSB.edu Wed Dec 8 01:23:53 2004 From: Darren.Young at ChicagoGSB.edu (Young, Darren) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:23:53 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change Subscription Emails Message-ID: <490F3E9EEF01B04598860AAB71777B4E180D62@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> Mailman 2.1.5 on RedHat Enterprise Linux 3.0... We have around 700 lists where are the members are added from our domain. Well, we're changing our domain name and want to update all those membership addresses. Short of dumping out the current membership for a list, transforming that, clearing out the list and importing them back in. I created a script that does just this, however all the user's preferences are list in the process. Any way to modify the list databases directly? Take all the some.user at old.domain and change them to some.user at new.domain? ------------------------------------------------------------- | Darren Young | http://www.chicagogsb.edu | | Senior UNIX Administrator | darren.young at chicagogsb.edu | | University of Chicago GSB | darren.young at gsb.uchicago.edu | ------------------------------------------------------------- From jwt at OnJapan.net Wed Dec 8 02:11:03 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:11:03 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change Subscription Emails In-Reply-To: <490F3E9EEF01B04598860AAB71777B4E180D62@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> References: <490F3E9EEF01B04598860AAB71777B4E180D62@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <20041208011103.GR3988@server.onjapan.net> On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 06:23:53PM -0600, Young, Darren wrote: > Any way to modify the list databases directly? Take all the > some.user at old.domain and change them to some.user at new.domain? Perhaps a variation of the bin/withlist script I showed here: -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From msapiro at value.net Wed Dec 8 02:48:58 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:48:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change Subscription Emails In-Reply-To: <20041208011103.GR3988@server.onjapan.net> Message-ID: Jim Tittsler wrote: >On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 06:23:53PM -0600, Young, Darren wrote: >> Any way to modify the list databases directly? Take all the >> some.user at old.domain and change them to some.user at new.domain? > >Perhaps a variation of the bin/withlist script I showed here: > > A couple of remarks on the referenced script - for member in m.members: only gets the regular members and not the digest members (if any) for member in m.getMembers(): will get the regular and the digest members. Instead of the shell loop for list in `bin/list_lists -b`; do bin/withlist -q -l -r change_addr $list done suggested by Jim, I think you can just do bin/withlist -q -l -a -r change_addr Don't overlook Jim's note about having good backups. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From djfreak at beathustler.com Wed Dec 8 11:09:06 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 02:09:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incredibly Frustrated with inability to post Message-ID: <31F5BAA3-4901-11D9-A147-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Hi LIst I am beyond frustrated now. I have lists. I can add members but I still cannot post. I have tried every combination under the SUN and I still cannot post. I think the problem stems from the following. By the way I am using Postfix and Mailman 2.1.5 and Python 2.3 in OS X Server 10.2.8. When I follow these instructions: To map support for your virtual domains, you need to add a line to /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py for each domain. The format is: add_virtualhost(url_host, e-mail_host) where url_host is the fully-qualified domain name used in the URL to Mailman on that virtual host (e.g., for http://www.baz.com/mailman/, the url_host would be www.baz.com) and e-mail_host is the MX record for the domain. First of all, there is no /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py There is however /Users/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py so I'm assuming that's where they mean not /usr/local..... which is a completely different location. However, when I add the add_virtualhost(www.beathustler.com, mail.beathustler.com) I am able to restart Postfix with no problem BUT when I cd /Users/mailman and then run bin/mailmanctl restart I get the following: File "bin/mailmanctl", line 105, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 46, in ? add_virtualhost(www.beathustler.com, mail.beathustler.com) NameError: name 'www' is not defined Important to note: I have the lines: virtual_alias_domains = beathustler.com, jessicamartin.org, nathanielmiller.com, wigglemusic.com virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual, hash:/Users/mailman/data/aliases in my /etc/postfix/main.cf file. Now when I try to the Mailman web interface I get Bug in Mailman Version 2.1.5 followed by: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Users/mailman/scripts/driver", line 63, in run_main from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 20, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Logger import Logger File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 24, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 46, in ? add_virtualhost(www.beathustler.com, mail.beathustler.com) NameError: name 'www' is not defined Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2 (#1, 10/24/02, 16:10:52) [GCC Apple cpp-precomp 6.14] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform darwin Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_COOKIE phpbb2mysql_data=a%3A2%3A%7Bs%3A11%3A%22autologinid%22%3Bs%3A0%3A%22%22% 3Bs%3A6%3A%22userid%22%3Bs%3A1%3A%222%22%3B%7D SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.33 (Darwin) DAV/1.0.3 mod_ssl/2.8.22 OpenSSL/0.9.6i PHP/4.3.4 PYTHONPATH /Users/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /Users/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo SERVER_ADMIN djfreak at beathustler.com SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/listinfo SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.33 Server at www.beathustler.com Port 16080 REQUEST_METHOD GET HTTP_HOST www.beathustler.com PATH_INFO / SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING REQUEST_URI /mailman/listinfo/ HTTP_ACCEPT */* HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/125.5.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.12 HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive SERVER_NAME www.beathustler.com REMOTE_ADDR 64.81.242.116 REMOTE_PORT 65345 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en, ja;q=0.92, ja-jp;q=0.96, fr;q=0.88, de-de;q=0.85, de;q=0.81, es;q=0.77, it-it;q=0.73, it;q=0.69, nl-nl;q=0.65, nl;q=0.62, sv-se;q=0.58, sv;q=0.54, no-no;q=0.50, no;q=0.46, da-dk;q=0.42, da;q=0.38, fi-fi;q=0.35, fi;q=0.31 __CF_USER_TEXT_ENCODING 0x46:0:0 HTTP_PC_REMOTE_ADDR 64.81.242.20 PATH_TRANSLATED /Volumes/wigglemusic/BH/ SERVER_PORT 16080 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate;q=1.0, identity;q=0.5, *;q=0 SERVER_ADDR 64.81.242.116 DOCUMENT_ROOT /Volumes/wigglemusic/BH Which I assume is a result of mailman not being able to restart but I thought that info might help you all help me see what is wrong here. When I set my mailing list mail address to be www.beathustler.com in the web interface my mail server denies relaying. When I use the web interface to make the list's address mail.beathustler.com attempts to post come in as regular mails. PLEASE HELP. I will give you any other info about my set-up that you require. Thanks very much in advance. -Evan Miller From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Wed Dec 8 12:35:08 2004 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 20:35:08 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incredibly Frustrated with inability to post In-Reply-To: <31F5BAA3-4901-11D9-A147-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> References: <31F5BAA3-4901-11D9-A147-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Message-ID: <41B6E6EC.3020200@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> > > However, when I add the add_virtualhost(www.beathustler.com, > mail.beathustler.com) I am able to restart Postfix with no problem BUT > when I cd /Users/mailman and then run bin/mailmanctl restart I get the > following: > > File "bin/mailmanctl", line 105, in ? > from Mailman import mm_cfg > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 46, in ? > add_virtualhost(www.beathustler.com, mail.beathustler.com) > NameError: name 'www' is not defined You should write add_virtualhost('www.beathustler.com', 'mail.beathustler.com') -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From rrichman at shirotora.us Wed Dec 8 17:59:41 2004 From: rrichman at shirotora.us (ShiroTora Admin Account) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 11:59:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I set *@aol.com to nomail or send invitations to same Message-ID: <41B732FD.1090009@shirotora.us> I have 2300+ AOL users on a client list, all but about 500 or so are unconfirmed users (never opted back in) from my old mailing program (PHPlist). Unfortunately I don't have a simple way (that I know of) to export a list of either the unconfirmed users only, or opposite, a list w/o the unconfirmed on it. Unless there is a way via command line.. Anyway more to the point, I am almost thinking along the lines of sending out an "invitation" to all the aol.com emails (and having users opt in once more). or else, just set all the emails to nomail. When I look at the membership management I can search @aol.com, but it only shows 1 letter at a time, and even then I still have to go 1 at a time. Can I either via command line or via web admin do either of these? Preferably invites as that would set them all to nomail wouldn't it? Thanks! -- shirotora.net Hosting powered by ShiroTora Interservices * Web hosting on a solid, industrial-class UNIX server * Consulting/Research Hardware/Software and more * Single Year Domain Registration(s) from $24 From brad at prudentproducts.com Wed Dec 8 20:45:47 2004 From: brad at prudentproducts.com (brad) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 12:45:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] add fields to general list information page? Message-ID: I apologize in advance if this has been answered recently, but after searching the faq, mail-archive.com, etc for nearly an hour I have not been able to find the answer to this. Can additional fields (besides name, email, I would like to add "Title" and "Company") be added to the General List Information page of a mailing list and if so how? TIA, Brad From djfreak at beathustler.com Wed Dec 8 21:41:57 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 12:41:57 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Frustration with Posting Message-ID: <9A1BF18E-4959-11D9-9430-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Hi list I have a huge post pending with my complete file info for any generous coders to take a look at which I'm going to try and get approved in case there are lines in my files that need un-commenting. But I'm still coding away because I'm needing to get this fixed. Can someone tell me how to start the qrunner if there is no master-qrunner.pid file. Thanks. -Evan From djfreak at beathustler.com Wed Dec 8 22:52:03 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:52:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still FRUSTRATED - Please Delete Huge email pending approval from me Message-ID: <659D3BEA-4963-11D9-9430-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Hi list I hope at least you're all having a good laugh over my incessant posting please forgive I am obsessed with getting this fixed. Once again, Jaguar Server, Python 2.3, Mailman 2.1.5, Postfix. Able to do everything except post. All mails no matter what the preferred server is in web interface all come in as regular mails and do not result in posts. Or I get relaying denied if I send to my reverse DNS which is www.beathustler.com (i.e. sending to beat-hustler at www.beathustler.com) I tried to post an absurdly huge post to you all with all of my file contents but I feel very certain that is problem is alias based and therefore postfix based. Then it occured to me, don't send huge posts YOU HAVE A WEBSITE! So if the mod is reading this you can delete that post now. Here is my main.cf file: http://www.beathustler.com/main.cf PLEASE can someone take a look at that file and try and figure out what I have done wrong. Have I created a conflict between the aliases and virtual files in terms of who houses the alias_maps??? Thanks again very much for any help. Oh yea I just signed up for a second time by accident because I thought I had found a different list. Again please forgive. -Evan Miller From gwaugh at scu.edu.au Wed Dec 8 23:26:13 2004 From: gwaugh at scu.edu.au (Guy Waugh) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 09:26:13 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still FRUSTRATED - Please Delete Huge email pending approval from me In-Reply-To: <659D3BEA-4963-11D9-9430-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> References: <659D3BEA-4963-11D9-9430-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Message-ID: <41B77F85.6090400@scu.edu.au> Hi Evan, I don't know that I'll be much help to you, but here goes... things I can think of to check/look at: * Is there anything of interest in the Mailman logs (/Users/mailman/logs/*)? * What about the Postfix logs? * Did you set up the email aliases for the list you're trying to post to? * Can you post to the list from the Mailman server itself, ideally using no mail routing? * I see that there is no MX set up for beathustler.com... I'm no expert in the mail/DNS area, but it may be necessary (particularly so that posts from the Internet can find your Mailman server)? HTH, Guy. DJ Freak wrote: > Hi list > > I hope at least you're all having a good laugh over my incessant posting > please forgive I am obsessed with getting this fixed. > > Once again, Jaguar Server, Python 2.3, Mailman 2.1.5, Postfix. > > Able to do everything except post. All mails no matter what the > preferred server is in web interface all come in as regular mails and do > not result in posts. Or I get relaying denied if I send to my reverse > DNS which is www.beathustler.com (i.e. sending to > beat-hustler at www.beathustler.com) > > I tried to post an absurdly huge post to you all with all of my file > contents but I feel very certain that is problem is alias based and > therefore postfix based. Then it occured to me, don't send huge posts > YOU HAVE A WEBSITE! So if the mod is reading this you can delete that > post now. > > Here is my main.cf file: > > http://www.beathustler.com/main.cf > > PLEASE can someone take a look at that file and try and figure out what > I have done wrong. Have I created a conflict between the aliases and > virtual files in terms of who houses the alias_maps??? > > Thanks again very much for any help. > > Oh yea I just signed up for a second time by accident because I thought > I had found a different list. Again please forgive. > > -Evan Miller > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > From rrichman at shirotora.us Thu Dec 9 01:13:40 2004 From: rrichman at shirotora.us (R Richman) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 19:13:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ran fix_url.py but admin links still show as default domain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41B798B4.4040407@shirotora.us> After taking Mark's advice and running the withlist/fix_url command, I got list#1 on example3.com and subsequent list on example.com to work just fine. Now I created a 2nd list for example3.com and I can still log in using example3.com/mailman/admin. Problem is that I again run into the issue with it linking to defaulthost.com instead of example3.com. It's the same virtual host as list 1 on example3.com which works just fine so httpd.conf is setup fine, and mm_cfg.py is also set for the same virtual host. I have also run bin/mailmanctl and for the sake of argument restarted apache to no avail. Anyone have any thoughts on what step am I missing? I would like to say I did everything I should have done (and learned to do yesterday in setting up list 1 ) . Regards, /Ray Mark Sapiro wrote: >R Richman wrote: > > > > >>I did set the general option preference for preferred host name to >>example3.com what I can't figure out is where I need to set the virtual >>host option(s) so that the pages will reflect the correct virtual host >>and not the server name (example.com). I so far can't figure out what >>it is I missed that is not letting mm_cfg.py override the Defaults.py >>and I also ran mailmanctl restart and that still doesn't seem to help. >> >> > >You probably need to run fix_url.py. Changing host_name on the general >options sets the email host, but not the web host or web URL for >existing lists. You need to run bin/fix_url.py under bin/withlist to >fix the web URL. > >See > > bin/fixurl.py >and > bin/withlist --help > >-- >Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > -- shirotora.net Hosting powered by ShiroTora Interservices * Web hosting on a solid, industrial-class UNIX server * Consulting/Research Hardware/Software and more * Single Year Domain Registration(s) from $24 From msapiro at value.net Thu Dec 9 01:57:03 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:57:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ran fix_url.py but admin links still show asdefault domain In-Reply-To: <41B798B4.4040407@shirotora.us> Message-ID: R Richman wrote: >After taking Mark's advice and running the withlist/fix_url command, I >got list#1 on example3.com and subsequent list on example.com to work >just fine. Now I created a 2nd list for example3.com and I can still >log in using example3.com/mailman/admin. Problem is that I again run >into the issue with it linking to defaulthost.com instead of >example3.com. It's the same virtual host as list 1 on example3.com >which works just fine so httpd.conf is setup fine, and mm_cfg.py is also >set for the same virtual host. I have also run bin/mailmanctl and for >the sake of argument restarted apache to no avail. Anyone have any >thoughts on what step am I missing? I would like to say I did everything >I should have done (and learned to do yesterday in setting up list 1 >) . How did you create the list? Did you use the web or bin/newlist? Also, I'm a bit confused about what you have in your virtual hosts dictionary for example3.com. In the OP, you mentioned www.example3.com and example3.com which I would assume is in mm_cfg.py in add_virtualhost('www.example3.com', 'example3.com') yet you refer above to the ability to login using example3.com/mailman/admin. Presumably www.example3.com and example3.com are the same IP address, but given the above add_virtualhost() or equivalently just add_virtualhost('www.example3.com'), they can't be used interchangeably in creating lists. >From the web, you must use http://www.example3.com/mailman/create to create a list in the example3.com domain, and it will give an error if you don't. bin/newlist doesn't give an error, it just doesn't do what you want. With bin/newlist you need to use listname at url-hostname to create the list even though it liiks like an e-mail address and you think you need to use listname at email-hostname. Bottom line is if your add_virtualhost() is as I assume, you need to create listname at www.example3.com with bin/newlist to get what you want. You can fix it with fix_url as you did before or you can delete the list and create it with the proper name. Or maybe I don't understand in which case I need to know what's in Defaults.py for DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and what's in mm_cfg.py and how you created the list in order to know why it didn't work. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From clayno at w4cl.net Thu Dec 9 02:34:40 2004 From: clayno at w4cl.net (Charles Layno) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:34:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email command problems? Message-ID: <200412082034.40688.clayno@w4cl.net> I have a 2.1.5 version up and running just fine except if someone tries to subscribe via email, the system tells them they are already subscribed. I have looked in the Admin interface and do not see anthing that might control that and all I have found in the archives is talknig about admining the list via email. Is this a problem or am I so dense, I can't see what I have screwed up? Charles Layno From jwt at onjapan.net Thu Dec 9 02:49:28 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:49:28 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still FRUSTRATED - Please Delete Huge email pending approval from me In-Reply-To: <659D3BEA-4963-11D9-9430-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> References: <659D3BEA-4963-11D9-9430-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Message-ID: <9023EDDF-4984-11D9-99BE-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Dec 9, 2004, at 06:52, DJ Freak wrote: > http://www.beathustler.com/main.cf > > PLEASE can someone take a look at that file and try and figure out > what I have done wrong. Have I created a conflict between the aliases > and virtual files in terms of who houses the alias_maps??? That would be my guess. The virtual_alias_maps hash for mailman is normally used to point to a ~mailman/data/virtual-mailman file (which postmap uses to create virtual-mailman.db). And double check that your POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS is set correctly in your mm_cfg.py. (There is a special section in the README.POSTFIX document that deals with virtual domains.) -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From zzizzle at zzizzle.com Thu Dec 9 02:53:47 2004 From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com (zzizzle at zzizzle.com) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:53:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Topics In-Reply-To: <20041209014932.26B501E400D@bag.python.org> References: <20041209014932.26B501E400D@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <2A7A9E93-4985-11D9-B0CE-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> Does anyone have a basic overview of how to set up the topics and some examples of clever ways that people have used them? I'm guessing using them can add some really cool depth to your discussion, and/or subtopics. Thanks. Jonathan http://www.zzizzle.com From djfreak at beathustler.com Thu Dec 9 02:56:52 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (Evan Miller) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:56:52 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emergency! virtual.db not reflecting changes! Message-ID: <98A5CFA2-4985-11D9-9FE2-000393BD7EC6@beathustler.com> Oh my god. This is the hardest UNIX problem I've EVER run into. 8+ hours and going. First of all, every time I make changes to Postfix's virtual file, I kill all my email and everyone starts getting rejected. Horrible. Very very stressful. How do I force virtual.db to reflect changes I just made in virtual WITHOUT KILLING MY MAIL? When I type postalias virtual I get all kinds of errors. Is that because my table is formatted wrong? I just went to a backup all my postfix files again. Uggh. I just missed important emails. can someone PLEASE tell me how to update virtual.db and exactly what form that table is supposed to have data written into it. In virtual I have the following @beathustler.com evan at localhost BUT, in /Users/mailman/data/aliases iT goes like this: beat-hustler: "|/Users/mailman/mail/mailman post beat-hustler" Something tells me this "|/Users....... format is wrong for OS X Server. Is that possible? can I put beat-hustler mailman at localhost/mail/mailman post beat-hustler? Why is my catchall taking the mail instead of my mailman aliases maps? Why? Oh man this is the WORST. I can't wait to fix this. Thanks very much for all the continued support. -evan From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Dec 9 02:45:47 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 02:45:47 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still FRUSTRATED - Please Delete Huge email pending approval from me In-Reply-To: <659D3BEA-4963-11D9-9430-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> References: <659D3BEA-4963-11D9-9430-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Message-ID: At 1:52 PM -0800 2004-12-08, DJ Freak wrote: > I tried to post an absurdly huge post to you all with all of my file > contents [ ... deletia ... ] > Then it occured to me, don't send huge posts > YOU HAVE A WEBSITE! Thank you. > So if the mod is reading this you can delete that > post now. Don't count on any of the moderators actually keeping up with this list. Indeed, as a general rule, don't count on moderators actually keeping up with any list for which they have that responsibility. For most moderators, they're likely to be lucky if they can keep their head above water, just keeping with all their real work, and they may sometime at some point in the not-too-distant future get around to these pending moderator requests, but that's about as much as you can hope for. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Dec 9 03:07:19 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 03:07:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emergency! virtual.db not reflecting changes! In-Reply-To: <98A5CFA2-4985-11D9-9FE2-000393BD7EC6@beathustler.com> References: <98A5CFA2-4985-11D9-9FE2-000393BD7EC6@beathustler.com> Message-ID: At 5:56 PM -0800 2004-12-08, Evan Miller wrote: > postalias virtual You don't use postalias on the virtal map. You use postmap instead. You use postalias only on alias files. Really, for all your postfix problems, you would be much better served by going to the postfix-users mailing list, reading their online documentation and FAQ, etc.... If you've got any Mailman-specific problems, we should be able to help you with those, but we're not that good as a resource for problems on other parts of the e-mail system. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From msapiro at value.net Thu Dec 9 03:44:26 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:44:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] add fields to general list information page? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: brad wrote: > >Can additional fields (besides name, email, I would like to add "Title" and >"Company") be added to the General List Information page of a mailing list >and if so how? The easiest way to edit the HTML for the listinfo page for a specific list is to go to "Edit the public HTML pages" under "Other Administrative Activities" on the upper right of any of the lists admin pages. Then go to "General list information page" where you can edit the HTML and "Submit Changes". This will create (or update) a list specific template for that list's listinfo page for (I think) the current language. For information on modifying templates in general, see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Dec 9 06:09:35 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:09:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I set *@aol.com to nomail or sendinvitations to same In-Reply-To: <41B732FD.1090009@shirotora.us> Message-ID: ShiroTora Admin Account wrote: >I have 2300+ AOL users on a client list, all but about 500 or so are >unconfirmed users (never opted back in) from my old mailing program >(PHPlist). Unfortunately I don't have a simple way (that I know of) to >export a list of either the unconfirmed users only, or opposite, a list >w/o the unconfirmed on it. Unless there is a way via command line.. > >Anyway more to the point, I am almost thinking along the lines of >sending out an "invitation" to all the aol.com emails (and having users >opt in once more). or else, just set all the emails to nomail. When I >look at the membership management I can search @aol.com, but it only >shows 1 letter at a time, and even then I still have to go 1 at a time. > >Can I either via command line or via web admin do either of these? >Preferably invites as that would set them all to nomail wouldn't it? I'm confused as to the exact state of affairs here. Are these 2300+ AOL users currently members (subscribers) of a Mailman list? If, so, they are not "unconfirmed". When you "invite" users to join a list, they are not actually subscribed until they respond to the invitation. They will not be on the membership list. The invitation is good for PENDING_REQUEST_LIFE which is 3 days unless changed in mm_cfg.py, after which it expires and is deleted from the pending database. If you "mass subscribe" and subscribe rather than invite them, they are subscribed without further confirmation even if normal subscription requires confirmation. So there is no such thing as list of the members (subscribers) who are "unconfirmed" or the complement thereof since there is no such thing as an unconfirmed member since people who have been invited or requested subscription with confirmation required are not members until they have confirmed. If the list already exists and the 2300+ are on it, you can't re-invite them or require them to re-confirm without removing them first. You could create a bin/withlist script to set all @aol.com addresses to nomail. That is easy, but if you only want to do some and not all @aol.com addresses, I don't see a way to distinguish the groups based on what is available in a Mailman list. You could also use bin/list_members to list all the members and select all the @aol.com members from that and then use Mass Removal to remove them all and then Mass Subscription to re-invite them, if that would do what you want. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From macbantam at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 9 08:43:45 2004 From: macbantam at ntlworld.com (PeteBell) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:43:45 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0E6AB08D-49B6-11D9-B6B4-0003933EA39A@ntlworld.com> Hi I saw a reply to a query recently about editing the "welcome" message for a list. My question is twofold: I don't have access to the installation of Mailman, as it is shared. However, my host has been good at making certain files available to me on request. So... (a) Which file is the correct one and how do I go about editing the file? Is it Python, a particular component of Python, or a text application, and how do I go about saving it back again into the correct format? (I have never used Python yet, so please be explicit and easy-to-follow)! (b) Are there any other admin-editable notification emails which can be done in the same way? Thanks in advance PeteBell, UK From djfreak at beathustler.com Thu Dec 9 10:15:03 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (Evan Miller) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:15:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 7th Circle of Burning, Hot, Fire Filled HELL! Message-ID: Someone in this world please please tell me how to get Postfix, mailman, and virtual alias maps to all work together PLEASE. This is not a Postfix issue. Postfix works fine. This is an integrating of Mailman issue. Here are my files. I'm going to sleep now. I've been at this for 12 hours not counting the six days I spent getting Postfix to work. If any of you have any mercy in your souls you will help me figure out why /etc/postfix/virtual will not release its iron-clad grip on my incoming mail and allow ~mailman/data/aliases to do its job and route my postings to their lists. The lists themselves are fine. I have integrated all of the advice that you all have given me today much of which is not in the instructions and I have followed the ReadMe as well. http://www.beathustler.com/main.cf http://www.beathustler.com/virtual http://www.beathustler.com/mm_cfg.py http://www.beathustler.com/aliases http://www.beathustler.com/virtual-mailman I don't know what made me think this would be easy but I'm in too deep to turn back now. Please help. Thank you very much. -Evan From anner at blast.com Thu Dec 9 14:53:52 2004 From: anner at blast.com (Anne Ramey) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 08:53:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] everyone getting unsubscribes when doing command line Message-ID: <41B858F0.8020907@blast.com> When I subscribe or unsubscribe from the command line, both the owner and the users get notified, even though the config of the list says not too. And everything works fine if I do it through the web interface. Why would this happen? Anne From AriMR at bear.com Thu Dec 9 15:31:07 2004 From: AriMR at bear.com (Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange)) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:31:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 7th Circle of Burning, Hot, Fire Filled HELL! Message-ID: Evan, There are a few things you need to understand about postfix and its interaction with Mailman. The first is that postfix will not allow a script to be run from the virtual file, only from the aliases file which is looked at by the "local" delivery agent. Another thing to remember is that plain ID's on the right hand side of the virtual map get @$myorigin appended. In your case $myorigin=$mydomain which is beathustler.com, so the addresses in the virtual-mailman file get mapped back to beathustler.com, which is why they are going to the catch-all address. You need to add @localhost the way you did for your virtual file. Then you need to add the lists to your aliases file, mapping them to the mailman scripts using the pipe (|) syntax you were wondering about in an earlier message. I hope this helps get you on the right track. Don't forget to "postmap" the virtual files and "postalias" the aliases file. Ari Rabinowitz > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Evan Miller > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 4:15 AM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] 7th Circle of Burning, Hot, Fire Filled HELL! > > Someone in this world please please tell me how to get Postfix, > mailman, and virtual alias maps to all work together PLEASE. This is > not a Postfix issue. Postfix works fine. This is an integrating of > Mailman issue. > > Here are my files. I'm going to sleep now. I've been at this for 12 > hours not counting the six days I spent getting Postfix to work. If > any of you have any mercy in your souls you will help me > figure out why > /etc/postfix/virtual will not release its iron-clad grip on > my incoming > mail and allow ~mailman/data/aliases to do its job and route my > postings to their lists. The lists themselves are fine. > > I have integrated all of the advice that you all have given me today > much of which is not in the instructions and I have followed > the ReadMe > as well. > > http://www.beathustler.com/main.cf > > http://www.beathustler.com/virtual > > http://www.beathustler.com/mm_cfg.py > > http://www.beathustler.com/aliases > > http://www.beathustler.com/virtual-mailman > > I don't know what made me think this would be easy but I'm in > too deep > to turn back now. > > Please help. > > Thank you very much. > > -Evan > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > *********************************************************************** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *********************************************************************** From chris.a.adams at state.or.us Thu Dec 9 17:31:12 2004 From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 08:31:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Topics In-Reply-To: <2A7A9E93-4985-11D9-B0CE-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> References: <20041209014932.26B501E400D@bag.python.org> <2A7A9E93-4985-11D9-B0CE-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> Message-ID: <41B87DD0.3070200@state.or.us> Basically, you enable Topics for a list and then give the Topic a name, like 'Licensing Regulations' and then enter some keyword (in this example. the word 'Licensing' in the Regexp. Assuming a subscriber is subscribed to the 'Licensing' topic, you would send your message with the first line of the message being: Keywords: Licensing OR Subject: Licensing Each user can choose to receive or not receive messages that have no topic defined, but they must be subscribed to at least one topic to use this feature. Email me if you have other questions. Christopher Adams zzizzle at zzizzle.com wrote: > Does anyone have a basic overview of how to set up the topics and some > examples of clever ways that people have used them? I'm guessing > using them can add some really cool depth to your discussion, and/or > subtopics. > > Thanks. > Jonathan > http://www.zzizzle.com > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Christopher Adams Library Systems Analyst Oregon State Library 503-378-4243 258 chris.a.adams at state.or.us From brad at prudentproducts.com Thu Dec 9 19:55:26 2004 From: brad at prudentproducts.com (brad) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:55:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] follow up on adding fields to general list information page Message-ID: Thanks for Mark to his answer to this, that information was a big help too, but my real question (I wasn't specific enough), is this: Can additional fields (besides name, email, I would like to add "Title" and "Company") be added to the General List Information page of a mailing list and if so how? But here is the key: *** I don't want to just customize the look and feel of the page, I want data that the users enter into new "title" and "company" fields be entered and accessible in the Mailman database so that we can at least try to verify that people who join the list are not competitors, and are truly our customers. In other words I want to add two fields to the part of the "General list information page". That page already has and a fields, I would like to somehow add a and a and be able to access the data that the customers enter for those field later on. I guess the easiest way to do this would be for the customers to add text on the page "Please put your name, title, and company in this field) above the "name" , and then they would submit this data for the email and name fields: email at mail.com John Doe, President, ABC Corp But my boss would prefer not doing it that way. I am sure this is probably possible modifying the python code, but I am looking for an easy way, if possible, of doing this. TIA, Brad From macbantam at ntlworld.com Fri Dec 10 01:04:26 2004 From: macbantam at ntlworld.com (PeteBell) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:04:26 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome message Message-ID: <0E5D7806-4A3F-11D9-BFF7-000393863774@ntlworld.com> Hi I saw a reply to a query recently about editing the "welcome" message for a list. My question is twofold: I don't have access to the installation of Mailman, as it is shared. However, my host has been good at making certain files available to me on request. So... (a) Which file is the correct one and how do I go about editing the file? Is it Python, a particular component of Python, or a text application, and how do I go about saving it back again into the correct format? (I have never used Python yet, so please be explicit and easy-to-follow)! (b) Are there any other admin-editable notification emails which can be done in the same way? Thanks in advance PeteBell, UK From agrieco at gmail.com Fri Dec 10 01:39:53 2004 From: agrieco at gmail.com (Anthony Grieco) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:39:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2nd Try: PGP, mmreencrypt and DEFAULT_FILTER_PROGRAM In-Reply-To: <557f1a8504120704521f273871@mail.gmail.com> References: <557f1a8504120704521f273871@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <557f1a85041209163945b0819d@mail.gmail.com> Anyone? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Anthony Grieco Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 07:52:19 -0500 Subject: PGP, mmreencrypt and DEFAULT_FILTER_PROGRAM To: mailman-users at python.org Hi, I have been searching for a MLM that is PGP enabled (ie send mails using list pub key, and re-encrypt out to members via their public keys). Mailman seemed to have what I wanted with mmreencrypt. I now have mailman up and working with Qmail and went to do the mmreencrypt integration and found that the requirement of DEFAULT_FILTER_PROGRAM seems to be now gone (and been replaced by the built in mime filters?). Is mmreencrypt still the way to go- or are there others addons? (or other MLMs that might handle this better/natively)? Has anyone gotten mmreencrypt working with a recent version of Mailman? thanks anthony From msapiro at value.net Fri Dec 10 02:31:56 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:31:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome message In-Reply-To: <0E5D7806-4A3F-11D9-BFF7-000393863774@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: PeteBell wrote: > >I saw a reply to a query recently about editing the "welcome" message >for a list. > >My question is twofold: > >I don't have access to the installation of Mailman, as it is shared. >However, my host has been good at making certain files available to me >on request. So... > >(a) Which file is the correct one and how do I go about editing the >file? Is it Python, a particular component of Python, or a text >application, and how do I go about saving it back again into the >correct format? (I have never used Python yet, so please be explicit >and easy-to-follow)! The welcome message is subscribeack.txt (more later on where it is). >(b) Are there any other admin-editable notification emails which can be >done in the same way? The subscribeack.txt file is one of several .txt and .html templates that can be edited on a per list, per virtual domain or sitewide basis. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp for information on where to put edited templates to effect this. The .txt files are templates for e-mail messages and are simple plain text files except they contain things such as %(listinfo_url)s which will be replaced by the value of the named attribute as they are used. The .html files are templates for web pages and are ordinary HTML except they contain tags of the form (for example ) which are replaced by defined substitutions as they are used. You really have to look at the Python module Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py and other modules listinfo.py, options.py, roster.py and subscribe.py in the Cgi/ directory to see what the various tag replacements are, but you can get some idea by just comparing the generated HTML with the template. To see what templates are available, look in the templates/xx/ directory where xx is the language. Since you don't have direct access to your Mailman installation server, you have two choices - download the Mailman tarball from SourceForge at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103&package_id=69562&release_id=238606 and extract it or use the CVS browser at SourceForge to download individual files. E.g. go to http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/templates/en/ for the English language templates. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Dec 10 02:45:59 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:45:59 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] follow up on adding fields to general listinformation page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: brad wrote: > >But here is the key: > >*** I don't want to just customize the look and feel of the page, I want >data that the users enter into new "title" and "company" fields be entered >and accessible in the Mailman database so that we can at least try to verify >that people who join the list are not competitors, and are truly our >customers. > >In other words I want to add two fields to the part of >the "General list information page". That page already has > and a fields, I would like to somehow >add a and a and be able to access the >data that the customers enter for those field later on. > >I guess the easiest way to do this would be for the customers to add text on >the page "Please put your name, title, and company in this field) above the >"name" , and then they would submit this data for the email >and name fields: > >email at mail.com >John Doe, President, ABC Corp > >But my boss would prefer not doing it that way. I am sure this is probably >possible modifying the python code, but I am looking for an easy way, if >possible, of doing this. You could certainly modify the subscribe form to add the two additional fields. You wouldn't necessarily have to define and to do this. You could just add the HTML for the fields directly to the edited template. But either way, what next? You have to modify the processing of the form to accept and validate these fields and store these values in newly defined attributes in the member database (stock database is included with list configuration in the list's config.pck pickle). You'd also have to deal with collecting the data in these fields via other subscription methods such as e-mail. It looks to me like changes to several pieces of Mailman would be involved. And we haven't even addressed what you're going to do with this information. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jwblist at olympus.net Fri Dec 10 05:59:21 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 20:59:21 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] follow up on adding fields to general listinformation page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/9/2004 17:45, "Mark Sapiro" wrote: > brad wrote: >> >> But here is the key: >> >> *** I don't want to just customize the look and feel of the page, I want >> data that the users enter into new "title" and "company" fields be entered >> and accessible in the Mailman database so that we can at least try to verify >> that people who join the list are not competitors, and are truly our >> customers. >> >> In other words I want to add two fields to the part of >> the "General list information page". That page already has >> and a fields, I would like to somehow >> add a and a and be able to access the >> data that the customers enter for those field later on. >> >> I guess the easiest way to do this would be for the customers to add text on >> the page "Please put your name, title, and company in this field) above the >> "name" , and then they would submit this data for the email >> and name fields: >> >> email at mail.com >> John Doe, President, ABC Corp >> >> But my boss would prefer not doing it that way. I am sure this is probably >> possible modifying the python code, but I am looking for an easy way, if >> possible, of doing this. > > You could certainly modify the subscribe form to add the two additional > fields. You wouldn't necessarily have to define and > to do this. You could just add the HTML for the > fields directly to the edited template. > > But either way, what next? You have to modify the processing of the > form to accept and validate these fields and store these values in > newly defined attributes in the member database (stock database is > included with list configuration in the list's config.pck pickle). > You'd also have to deal with collecting the data in these fields via > other subscription methods such as e-mail. It looks to me like changes > to several pieces of Mailman would be involved. > > And we haven't even addressed what you're going to do with this > information. To me, it feels as if Brad is more interested in Customer Relations Manager software than in mailing list software (one does want to know the title and company when sending CRM-type messages, as in Brad's example above). Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Articles 3.18, 3.37 (found by searching for Relations--there might be more in there for other searches) --John From mailman at hoekstra.nu Fri Dec 10 10:34:58 2004 From: mailman at hoekstra.nu (Robert Hoekstra) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:34:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List administrative commands through e-mail ? Message-ID: <1102671298.3950.14.camel@blackbird.hoekstra.local> Hi, Is it possible for list administrators to send administrative commands through e-mail? I know of member specific commands, but how extensive is this possible for list administrative commands? The point is that I want to set a large number of lists I maintain to 'private', so the archives aren't visible to non-members (This is just one example, another would be to change admin password for the lists). As I am not the only one creating lists, I want to be able to send out an e-mail to each list to tell mailman to make the list private. This would be way better than to log in to each and every mailing list through the web interface and check for that option and set if need be. With this I could be able to perform this task on a scheduled basis to make sure all lists are marked private. I can also 'teach' everyone to do this, but errors are easily made, this setting is easily forgotten, and I currently have a history of a large amount of lists I have to check. Alternatively, is there a way to approach mailman to set mailing lists options for all lists in a convenient way? Thanks in advance, Robert Hoekstra. From gjjones1 at usi.edu Fri Dec 10 16:02:13 2004 From: gjjones1 at usi.edu (G James Jones) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:02:13 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: add fields to general list information page? In-Reply-To: <20041209014931.DBFF61E400B@bag.python.org> References: <20041209014931.DBFF61E400B@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <1102690933.3460.16.camel@newchameleon.usi.edu> > email message attachment > On Thu, 2004-12-09 at 02:49 +0100, mailman-users-request at python.org > wrote: > > I apologize in advance if this has been answered recently, but after > > searching the faq, mail-archive.com, etc for nearly an hour I have not been > > able to find the answer to this. > > > > Can additional fields (besides name, email, I would like to add "Title" and > > "Company") be added to the General List Information page of a mailing list > > and if so how? > > > > TIA, > > I couldn't find the response where you mentioned trying to use these fields to make sure that a competitor wasn't joining the list, so I am answering the original. I would be hesitant, in your shoes, to trust this as a way to keep competitors out. If they are signing up for the list from a publicly facing/available page - you'll have your work cut out for you. I would suggest that your maintainer just invites known people to the list and maintains it that way. Sure there will be overhead, but you'll also have more control over access. We have lists that students are required to use as part of their classes. A file is dumped from our student system showing their preferred contact email address. This file is then loaded by the list maintainer into the appropriate list through the mailman interface. These lists do not accept public subscriptions and we know that the email addresses are valid through another source that requires authentication. CRM software that maintains email addresses of your potential users and can export that info into a file that is regularly uploaded into Mailman might be a better solution. > > > > Brad > > > > > > From acc at anthonychavez.org Fri Dec 10 17:19:17 2004 From: acc at anthonychavez.org (Anthony Chavez) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:19:17 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Poster not receiving his own posts Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Friends: I have a list subscriber who is not receiving his own posts. His configuration matches my own (and that of most other subscribers) one-to-one and I for one am receiving copies of my own posts. We have subscribed and re-subscribed him multiple times, to no avail. Checking my MTA (Postfix) logs, I see that no delivery is even being attempted for his own posts, but he does in fact receive posts from *other* senders. I would very much appreciate any advice on this issue. Thanks. - -- Anthony Chavez http://anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc at anthonychavez.org jabber:acc at jabber.anthonychavez.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (Darwin) iD8DBQFBucyJbZTbIaRBRXERAofaAJ9HQfkmSQGCkafqzdDw1+HAvxh/rwCcC65H T0/2A2z9Pe5pdF/Xg/4OknI= =NAIl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jwalcik at gmail.com Fri Dec 10 18:21:41 2004 From: jwalcik at gmail.com (Jacob Walcik) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:21:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with migrated lists Message-ID: i recently migrated my mailing lists from my old mail server (dastardly) to my new mail server (muttley), and i've run into a little snafu. i copied over my lists and archives directories, and then overwrote the existing request.pck file in each lists' directory with one from a locally created list. i copied all of the aliaes from the old machine into the new machine's alias database, and the lists themselves all appear to be working. however, when i receive an email regarding an administrative/moderator action, or i look at either the admin or listinfo pages for any of the lists, all of the url's are pointed at dastardly (the old server). i can understand why this is happening in the archives, but i'm unsure as to why it's happening on the admin pages. i've checked the Defaults.py, which correctly has "muttley" listed as the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and the DEFAULT_URL_HOST, and i've tried overriding both of these values with "mail" in the mm_cfg.py, however it doesn't appear to resolve the problem. are the admin and listinfo screens stored statically somewhere? i can dump the configuration information for each list and not see any mention of the old hostname, but obviously it's still being referenced somewhere. any suggestions? thanks! -- jacob walcik jwalcik at gmail.com From msapiro at value.net Fri Dec 10 18:41:48 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:41:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with migrated lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jacob Walcik wrote: > >are the admin and listinfo screens stored statically somewhere? i can >dump the configuration information for each list and not see any >mention of the old hostname, but obviously it's still being referenced >somewhere. any suggestions? If you dump it with bin/dumpdb, you'll see web_page_url. Running fix_url.py via bin/withlist will fix things. >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Articles 3.4 and 4.29. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Dec 10 19:29:43 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:29:43 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List administrative commands through e-mail ? In-Reply-To: <1102671298.3950.14.camel@blackbird.hoekstra.local> Message-ID: Robert Hoekstra wrote: > >Is it possible for list administrators to send administrative commands >through e-mail? I know of member specific commands, but how extensive is >this possible for list administrative commands? No. >The point is that I want to set a large number of lists I maintain to >'private', so the archives aren't visible to non-members (This is just >one example, another would be to change admin password for the lists). >As I am not the only one creating lists, I want to be able to send out >an e-mail to each list to tell mailman to make the list private. >This would be way better than to log in to each and every mailing list >through the web interface and check for that option and set if need be. > >With this I could be able to perform this task on a scheduled basis to >make sure all lists are marked private. I can also 'teach' everyone to >do this, but errors are easily made, this setting is easily forgotten, >and I currently have a history of a large amount of lists I have to >check. > >Alternatively, is there a way to approach mailman to set mailing lists >options for all lists in a convenient way? bin/withlist is the tool for this. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Dec 10 20:14:17 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:14:17 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Poster not receiving his own posts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anthony Chavez wrote: > >I have a list subscriber who is not receiving his own posts. > >His configuration matches my own (and that of most other subscribers) >one-to-one and I for one am receiving copies of my own posts. We have >subscribed and re-subscribed him multiple times, to no avail. Presumably you are saying that others do receive his posts, only he doesn't. If his settings contain "nodupes", is he possibly Ccing himself? >Checking my MTA (Postfix) logs, I see that no delivery is even being >attempted for his own posts, but he does in fact receive posts from >*other* senders. > >I would very much appreciate any advice on this issue. Check the Mailman logs, post and smtp. The number of recipients in the smtp log for a post should equal the number of non-digest subscribers that aren't set to nomail minus the number of "avoided duplicates". Careful examination/comparison of this should provide at least circumstantial evidence of whether or not the post is being sent to him by Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From acc at anthonychavez.org Fri Dec 10 23:53:54 2004 From: acc at anthonychavez.org (Anthony Chavez) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:53:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Poster not receiving his own posts References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:14:17 -0800 Mark Sapiro wrote: > Anthony Chavez wrote: >> >>I have a list subscriber who is not receiving his own posts. >> >>His configuration matches my own (and that of most other subscribers) >>one-to-one and I for one am receiving copies of my own posts. We have >>subscribed and re-subscribed him multiple times, to no avail. > > Presumably you are saying that others do receive his posts, only he > doesn't. That is correct. > If his settings contain "nodupes", is he possibly Ccing himself? Both of our settings have "nodupes." We've tried having him CC: himself and he receives that copy, so the problem isn't his MTA. >>Checking my MTA (Postfix) logs, I see that no delivery is even being >>attempted for his own posts, but he does in fact receive posts from >>*other* senders. > > Check the Mailman logs, post and smtp. The number of recipients in the > smtp log for a post should equal the number of non-digest subscribers > that aren't set to nomail minus the number of "avoided duplicates". > Careful examination/comparison of this should provide at least > circumstantial evidence of whether or not the post is being sent to > him by Mailman. Analyzing one particular post attempted by this subscriber, the Mailman post log shows a successful post and the smtp log shows 58 recips. Here's my subscriber count: acc at box:.../mailman> sudo bin/list_members -r list | wc -l 58 acc at box:.../mailman> sudo bin/list_members -r -n list | wc -l 0 Not sure how to get at the number of "avoided duplicates," though. Could you elaborate? Nevertheless, tracing through the Postfix log for that particular post also yields 58 recipients. This strikes me as very odd since the sender is a non-digest subscriber. Thanks for your assistance. Any further thoughts as to what could be causing this? - -- Anthony Chavez http://anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc at anthonychavez.org jabber:acc at jabber.anthonychavez.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (Darwin) iD8DBQFBuikFbZTbIaRBRXERAqfEAJ4+mOP+HH906TqacTdXC2UndLAgzwCfaHs7 RYAOb02gzK7d+8IyTa4icmI= =r4wm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From msapiro at value.net Sat Dec 11 00:36:51 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:36:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Poster not receiving his own posts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anthony Chavez wrote: > >On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:14:17 -0800 Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> Check the Mailman logs, post and smtp. The number of recipients in the >> smtp log for a post should equal the number of non-digest subscribers >> that aren't set to nomail minus the number of "avoided duplicates". >> Careful examination/comparison of this should provide at least >> circumstantial evidence of whether or not the post is being sent to >> him by Mailman. > >Analyzing one particular post attempted by this subscriber, the Mailman >post log shows a successful post and the smtp log shows 58 recips. >Here's my subscriber count: > >acc at box:.../mailman> sudo bin/list_members -r list | wc -l > 58 >acc at box:.../mailman> sudo bin/list_members -r -n list | wc -l > 0 > >Not sure how to get at the number of "avoided duplicates," though. >Could you elaborate? If a regular member's options include "nodupes" and the member's address is in a To: or Cc: header of the post, Mailman will not send the post to that member. This does not seem to come into play here as the number of regular members is 58 and the number of smtp recipients is also 58, thus we don't have to account for any "missing" recipients. If we did have to account for missing recipients, we would have to see if any regular members were in To: or Cc: headers before concluding there was a problem. This is what I meant by "minus the number of "avoided duplicates"". In your case, it is simpler. There are 58 regular members, all of whom are receiving mail and mailman claims to have sent the post to 58 recipients. So far, so good. >Nevertheless, tracing through the Postfix log for that particular post >also yields 58 recipients. This strikes me as very odd since the sender >is a non-digest subscriber. It seems to agree with Mailman that there were the expected 58 recipients, thus the issue seems to be on the outbound side of Postfix. > >Thanks for your assistance. Any further thoughts as to what could be >causing this? You could look at Mailman's bounce log to see if anything bounced for this member, but presumably you would have already seen it in the Postfix log if it had. Perhaps the member has a filter at his end that treats the message differently if it is From: him. Perhaps some kind of spam rule that assumes a message From: him that is not explicitly addressed (To: or Cc:) to him is SPAM. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From relson at osagesoftware.com Sat Dec 11 01:03:17 2004 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:03:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 7th Circle of Burning, Hot, Fire Filled HELL! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041210190317.2d142a70@osage.osagesoftware.com> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:15:03 -0800 Evan Miller wrote: > Someone in this world please please tell me how to get Postfix, > mailman, and virtual alias maps to all work together PLEASE. This is > not a Postfix issue. Postfix works fine. This is an integrating of > Mailman issue. > > Here are my files. I'm going to sleep now. I've been at this for 12 > hours not counting the six days I spent getting Postfix to work. If > any of you have any mercy in your souls you will help me figure out why > /etc/postfix/virtual will not release its iron-clad grip on my incoming > mail and allow ~mailman/data/aliases to do its job and route my > postings to their lists. The lists themselves are fine. > > I have integrated all of the advice that you all have given me today > much of which is not in the instructions and I have followed the ReadMe > as well. Hi Evan, You've got the same toolset as I do. Maybe I can offer some tips. Note: I'm something of a rookie myself. I got mailman up/running about 8 months ago and have 3 mailing lists with small subscriber counts(around 500 for all 3) and low traffic volumes. The info below is how _I_ have it working and may not be the best way to do it. 1) In /etc/postfix/main.cf there are two mailman related lines: virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases As you can guess, my main mailman directory is /var/lib/mailman (which is where Mandrake puts things). Your location may be different. The data/* files are maintained by mailman itself. 2) /etc/postfix/master.cf doesn't reference mailman at all. 3) /etc/mailman is the mail man configuration file. On my system there is a symlink from/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py to it. It has several site specific lines at the end of the file: ################################################## # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. #VERP_FORMAT='%(bounces)s+%(mailbox)s=%(host)s' #VERP_REGEXP=r'^(?P[^+]+?)\+(?P[^=]+)=(?P[^@]+) @.*$' VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = Yes VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 #VERP_CONFIRM_FORMAT='%(addr)s+%(cookie)s' #VERP_CONFIRM_REGEXP=r'^(?P[^+]+?)\+(?P[^@]+)@.*$' VERP_CONFIRMATIONS=Yes DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'example.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.example.com' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) MTA = 'Postfix' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [ DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST ] There are a few extra commented lines in the above. Offhand I don't recall whether they show mailman default values or alternate setting that I could use but don't. HTH, David From msapiro at value.net Sat Dec 11 01:08:49 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:08:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] everyone getting unsubscribes when doing commandline In-Reply-To: <41B858F0.8020907@blast.com> Message-ID: Anne Ramey wrote: >When I subscribe or unsubscribe from the command line, both the owner >and the users get notified, even though the config of the list says not >too. And everything works fine if I do it through the web interface. >Why would this happen? Are you using bin/add_members and bin/remove_members directly? Is there possibly some command alias or script involved the sets the notification options? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jwblist at olympus.net Sat Dec 11 01:14:09 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:14:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Poster not receiving his own posts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/10/2004 14:53, "Anthony Chavez" wrote: > Thanks for your assistance. Any further thoughts as to what could be > causing this? A filter in his mail client which is hiding or throwing away the message. --John From acc at anthonychavez.org Sat Dec 11 02:08:12 2004 From: acc at anthonychavez.org (Anthony Chavez) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:08:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Poster not receiving his own posts References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:36:51 -0800 Mark Sapiro wrote: > Anthony Chavez wrote: >> >>Not sure how to get at the number of "avoided duplicates," though. >>Could you elaborate? > > If a regular member's options include "nodupes" and the member's > address is in a To: or Cc: header of the post, Mailman will not send > the post to that member. Here's where this gets interesting. ;-) I myself subscribe to this list, have the nodupes bit set, and see "Receive your own posts to the list? Yes" in my configuration page. I receive copies of my own posts. Would that be because I'm the owner? The other subscriber *also* has the nodupes bit, also sees "Receive your own posts to the list? Yes" in his configuration page. He *doesn't* receive copies of his own posts, yet everyone else does. > This does not seem to come into play here as > the number of regular members is 58 and the number of smtp recipients > is also 58, thus we don't have to account for any "missing" > recipients. If we did have to account for missing recipients, we would > have to see if any regular members were in To: or Cc: headers before > concluding there was a problem. This is what I meant by "minus the > number of "avoided duplicates"". Understood, thanks. > In your case, it is simpler. There are 58 regular members, all of whom > are receiving mail and mailman claims to have sent the post to 58 > recipients. So far, so good. Actually, I re-analyzed the logs just now and it turns out that there had been an unsubscription between the time that this message was relayed and the time that I ran list_members. Therefore, the recipient count should be considered to be 57, which accounts for the fact that his post wasn't sent back to him. >>Nevertheless, tracing through the Postfix log for that particular post >>also yields 58 recipients. This strikes me as very odd since the sender >>is a non-digest subscriber. > > It seems to agree with Mailman that there were the expected 58 > recipients, thus the issue seems to be on the outbound side of Postfix. Possibly, but I can't help but thinking that the problem lies in Mailman-space, since Postfix would at least record an attempt, yes? >>Thanks for your assistance. Any further thoughts as to what could be >>causing this? > > You could look at Mailman's bounce log to see if anything bounced for > this member, but presumably you would have already seen it in the > Postfix log if it had. No bounce recorded. > Perhaps the member has a filter at his end that treats the message > differently if it is From: him. Perhaps some kind of spam rule that > assumes a message From: him that is not explicitly addressed (To: or > Cc:) to him is SPAM. Highly doubtful, since the message is not getting past my MTA. ;-) Thanks again. - -- Anthony Chavez http://anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc at anthonychavez.org jabber:acc at jabber.anthonychavez.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (Darwin) iD8DBQFBukiAbZTbIaRBRXERAg5cAJwIsvmd1F6B1j1xzf2G6qPVNzcgYACgg3lG 044jvtxrIJ1ZrDFC8MwPiz8= =5eiG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From msapiro at value.net Sat Dec 11 02:53:56 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:53:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Poster not receiving his own posts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anthony Chavez wrote: > >I myself subscribe to this list, have the nodupes bit set, and see >"Receive your own posts to the list? Yes" in my configuration page. I >receive copies of my own posts. Would that be because I'm the owner? That's how it should work for everyone. >The other subscriber *also* has the nodupes bit, also sees "Receive your >own posts to the list? Yes" in his configuration page. He *doesn't* >receive copies of his own posts, yet everyone else does. Then, assuming your re-analysis of the numbers is correct and Mailman is not sending to him, there is something about his post as received by Mailman which causes this. The most obvious thing would be that somehow his own e-mail address is in the To: or Cc: (how it gets there is another question). Another possibility might be topics, but I'm guessing your list doesn't have topics defined or you would have looked at this. I suggest you carefully look at ALL the headers in his post(s) vs. yours to try to see if you can identify any suspicious differences. You might also run bin/dumpdb on the list's config.pck file and see if there's anything there that is different for him than for others. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sat Dec 11 03:16:50 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:16:50 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email command problems? In-Reply-To: <200412082034.40688.clayno@w4cl.net> Message-ID: Charles Layno wrote: >I have a 2.1.5 version up and running just fine except if someone tries to >subscribe via email, the system tells them they are already subscribed. Does this apply to a subscribe command in mail to listname-request or to mail to listname-join or listname-subscribe or all of these? If it applies to a subscribe command does it apply whether or not the subscribe command specifies an address? The e-mail that reports "You are already subscribed!" contains a copy of the subscribe request as received. Are the From: and Return-Path: headers as expected in that message and not those of a subscriber? >I have looked in the Admin interface and do not see anthing that might control >that and all I have found in the archives is talknig about admining the list >via email. > >Is this a problem or am I so dense, I can't see what I have screwed up? We probably won't know the answer to that until we know why it happens. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From djfreak at beathustler.com Sat Dec 11 04:50:37 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:50:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 7th Circle of Burning, Hot, Fire Filled HELL! In-Reply-To: <20041210190317.2d142a70@osage.osagesoftware.com> References: <20041210190317.2d142a70@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: Thank you very much for your reply David. I'm looking very carefully right now at your pp_cfg.py code. You also have fewer lines in your main.cf file than I do. Mine are: virtual_alias_maps = hash:/Users/mailman/data/virtual-mailman virtual_alias_domains = beathustler.com, jessicamartin.org, nathanielmiller.com, wigglemusic.com, grapefruitgirl.com alias_maps = hash:/Users/mailman/data/aliases, hash:/etc/postfix/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual I had to change the order of these lines around and even split them in two a bunch of times to get Mailman to finally work. If something about those lines screams wrong to any of you then let me know. I have made a lot of progress since my last post. Using the above lines (which may look odd I agree) I am finally able to post. A huge accomplishment. How come you don't have virtual_alias_domains David? Do you only host one site? The reason that I ask is that in my pp_cfg.py file I have ['mail.beathustler.com'] (my server's mail identity). I have gotten the lists working by sending mails to beat-hustler at mail.beathustler.com which is also the Preferred URL I have set in the lists' Web Interface setting and I have postmapped and newaliased and bin/mailmanctl restart'ed and postfix reloaded until my fingers bleed needless to say. However, I wish to have people send subscription mails to beat-hustler-subscribe at beathustler.com not mail.beathustler.com which refuses to work or ideally have people send simply to subscribe at beathustler.com and have that mail sign them up to a list which I would set. Do you have any thoughts on that? Remembering of course that I have several different sites on the server several of which may have mailing lists in the future, granted I'm willing to live with each URL having only one list each meaning subscribe at domain1.com will only subscribe you to domain1.com's set mailing list while sending subscribe at domain2.com will subscribe you to #2's list etc. Is this possible? Thanks for any thoughts on this David. -Evan On Dec 10, 2004, at 4:03 PM, David Relson wrote: > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:15:03 -0800 > Evan Miller wrote: > >> Someone in this world please please tell me how to get Postfix, >> mailman, and virtual alias maps to all work together PLEASE. This is >> not a Postfix issue. Postfix works fine. This is an integrating of >> Mailman issue. >> >> Here are my files. I'm going to sleep now. I've been at this for 12 >> hours not counting the six days I spent getting Postfix to work. If >> any of you have any mercy in your souls you will help me figure out > why >> /etc/postfix/virtual will not release its iron-clad grip on my > incoming >> mail and allow ~mailman/data/aliases to do its job and route my >> postings to their lists. The lists themselves are fine. >> >> I have integrated all of the advice that you all have given me today >> much of which is not in the instructions and I have followed the > ReadMe >> as well. > > Hi Evan, > > You've got the same toolset as I do. Maybe I can offer some tips. > > Note: I'm something of a rookie myself. I got mailman up/running > about > 8 months ago and have 3 mailing lists with small subscriber > counts(around 500 for all 3) and low traffic volumes. The info below > is > how _I_ have it working and may not be the best way to do it. > > 1) In /etc/postfix/main.cf there are two mailman related lines: > > virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual, > hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman > > alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, > hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases > > As you can guess, my main mailman directory is /var/lib/mailman (which > is where Mandrake puts things). Your location may be different. > > The data/* files are maintained by mailman itself. > > 2) /etc/postfix/master.cf doesn't reference mailman at all. > > 3) /etc/mailman is the mail man configuration file. On my system there > is a symlink from/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py to it. It has > several site specific lines at the end of the file: > > ################################################## > # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. > > #VERP_FORMAT='%(bounces)s+%(mailbox)s=%(host)s' > #VERP_REGEXP=r'^(?P[^+]+?)\+(?P[^=]+)=(?P[^@]+) > @.*$' > > VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = Yes > VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes > > VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 > > #VERP_CONFIRM_FORMAT='%(addr)s+%(cookie)s' > > #VERP_CONFIRM_REGEXP=r'^(?P[^+]+?)\+(?P[^@]+)@.*$' > VERP_CONFIRMATIONS=Yes > > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'example.com' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.example.com' > add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > MTA = 'Postfix' > > POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [ DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST ] > > There are a few extra commented lines in the above. Offhand I don't > recall whether they show mailman default values or alternate setting > that I could use but don't. > > HTH, > > David > From djfreak at beathustler.com Sat Dec 11 05:05:28 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:05:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 7th Circle of Burning, Hot, Fire Filled HELL! In-Reply-To: References: <20041210190317.2d142a70@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: I meant mm_cfg.py On Dec 10, 2004, at 7:50 PM, DJ Freak wrote: > Thank you very much for your reply David. > > I'm looking very carefully right now at your pp_cfg.py code. You also > have fewer lines in your main.cf file than I do. > > Mine are: > > virtual_alias_maps = hash:/Users/mailman/data/virtual-mailman > virtual_alias_domains = beathustler.com, jessicamartin.org, > nathanielmiller.com, wigglemusic.com, grapefruitgirl.com > alias_maps = hash:/Users/mailman/data/aliases, > hash:/etc/postfix/aliases > alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases > virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual > > I had to change the order of these lines around and even split them in > two a bunch of times to get Mailman to finally work. If something > about those lines screams wrong to any of you then let me know. I > have made a lot of progress since my last post. Using the above lines > (which may look odd I agree) I am finally able to post. A huge > accomplishment. How come you don't have virtual_alias_domains David? > Do you only host one site? > > The reason that I ask is that in my pp_cfg.py file I have > ['mail.beathustler.com'] (my server's mail identity). I have gotten > the lists working by sending mails to > beat-hustler at mail.beathustler.com which is also the Preferred URL I > have set in the lists' Web Interface setting and I have postmapped and > newaliased and bin/mailmanctl restart'ed and postfix reloaded until my > fingers bleed needless to say. However, I wish to have people send > subscription mails to beat-hustler-subscribe at beathustler.com not > mail.beathustler.com which refuses to work or ideally have people send > simply to subscribe at beathustler.com and have that mail sign them up to > a list which I would set. Do you have any thoughts on that? > Remembering of course that I have several different sites on the > server several of which may have mailing lists in the future, granted > I'm willing to live with each URL having only one list each meaning > subscribe at domain1.com will only subscribe you to domain1.com's set > mailing list while sending subscribe at domain2.com will subscribe you to > #2's list etc. Is this possible? > > Thanks for any thoughts on this David. > > -Evan > > On Dec 10, 2004, at 4:03 PM, David Relson wrote: > >> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:15:03 -0800 >> Evan Miller wrote: >> >>> Someone in this world please please tell me how to get Postfix, >>> mailman, and virtual alias maps to all work together PLEASE. This is >>> not a Postfix issue. Postfix works fine. This is an integrating of >>> Mailman issue. >>> >>> Here are my files. I'm going to sleep now. I've been at this for 12 >>> hours not counting the six days I spent getting Postfix to work. If >>> any of you have any mercy in your souls you will help me figure out >> why >>> /etc/postfix/virtual will not release its iron-clad grip on my >> incoming >>> mail and allow ~mailman/data/aliases to do its job and route my >>> postings to their lists. The lists themselves are fine. >>> >>> I have integrated all of the advice that you all have given me today >>> much of which is not in the instructions and I have followed the >> ReadMe >>> as well. >> >> Hi Evan, >> >> You've got the same toolset as I do. Maybe I can offer some tips. >> >> Note: I'm something of a rookie myself. I got mailman up/running >> about >> 8 months ago and have 3 mailing lists with small subscriber >> counts(around 500 for all 3) and low traffic volumes. The info below >> is >> how _I_ have it working and may not be the best way to do it. >> >> 1) In /etc/postfix/main.cf there are two mailman related lines: >> >> virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual, >> hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman >> >> alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, >> hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases >> >> As you can guess, my main mailman directory is /var/lib/mailman (which >> is where Mandrake puts things). Your location may be different. >> >> The data/* files are maintained by mailman itself. >> >> 2) /etc/postfix/master.cf doesn't reference mailman at all. >> >> 3) /etc/mailman is the mail man configuration file. On my system there >> is a symlink from/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py to it. It has >> several site specific lines at the end of the file: >> >> ################################################## >> # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. >> >> #VERP_FORMAT='%(bounces)s+%(mailbox)s=%(host)s' >> #VERP_REGEXP=r'^(?P[^+]+?)\+(?P[^=]+)=(? >> P[^@]+) >> @.*$' >> >> VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = Yes >> VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes >> >> VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 >> >> #VERP_CONFIRM_FORMAT='%(addr)s+%(cookie)s' >> >> #VERP_CONFIRM_REGEXP=r'^(?P[^+]+?)\+(?P[^@]+)@.*$' >> VERP_CONFIRMATIONS=Yes >> >> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'example.com' >> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.example.com' >> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) >> MTA = 'Postfix' >> >> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [ DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST ] >> >> There are a few extra commented lines in the above. Offhand I don't >> recall whether they show mailman default values or alternate setting >> that I could use but don't. >> >> HTH, >> >> David >> > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > From relson at osagesoftware.com Sat Dec 11 05:22:10 2004 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:22:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 7th Circle of Burning, Hot, Fire Filled HELL! In-Reply-To: References: <20041210190317.2d142a70@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: <20041210232210.3193bd30@osage.osagesoftware.com> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:50:37 -0800 DJ Freak wrote: > Thank you very much for your reply David. > > I'm looking very carefully right now at your pp_cfg.py code. You also > have fewer lines in your main.cf file than I do. > > Mine are: > > virtual_alias_maps = hash:/Users/mailman/data/virtual-mailman > virtual_alias_domains = beathustler.com, jessicamartin.org, > nathanielmiller.com, wigglemusic.com, grapefruitgirl.com > alias_maps = hash:/Users/mailman/data/aliases, hash:/etc/postfix/aliases > alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases > virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual DJ: Assuming that you already have postfix up and running, I figured you didn't want or need everything in my config files. So, I just listed the mailman relevant lines. If you need more, let me know. I've got two domains hosted on the machine, but only one of them has mailing lists. I haven't looked at all your questions, as it's late and I'm working on some major policy questions for bogofilter. Perhaps I'll be able to get back to this later this weekend. David From rbranch1 at rochester.rr.com Sat Dec 11 16:33:56 2004 From: rbranch1 at rochester.rr.com (Bob Branch) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:33:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help desperately - Problem logging in In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net] Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 3:56 PM To: Bob Branch; mailman, user Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Need help desperately - Problem logging in Bob Branch wrote: >I have 3 lists running at 3 different domains. The following is common to all 3 >lists. > >I have to log in each time I change to a different category. When I change a >to different category I get the log-in screen and when I log back in I am now >in the category I desired. >An added symptom is even though I am in as administrator any changes I make do >not take effect. > >Any idea what is going on? I did check my cookies and they are enabled. > This FAQ may help- http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.045.htp -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ---------------------------------------- I have checked the link you gave me above , no help. I did further tests they are: 1 - The problem exists only on this computer. If I go to another one it works ok. 2 - I restored my computer back to an earlier date (I am using XP) and every thing worked . 3 - I turned the cookies off and I could duplicate the problem. 4 - BUT over the last week the problem came back. Something must be messing with the cookies - Any Ideas? Do you know where the cookies are placed and what the name of them are? Bob From msapiro at value.net Sat Dec 11 18:32:21 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:32:21 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help desperately - Problem logging in In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bob Branch wrote: > >>I have to log in each time I change to a different category. When I change a >>to different category I get the log-in screen and when I log back in I am now >>in the category I desired. >>An added symptom is even though I am in as administrator any changes I make do >>not take effect. >> >>Any idea what is going on? I did check my cookies and they are enabled. >> And: > >1 - The problem exists only on this computer. If I go to another one it works >ok. >2 - I restored my computer back to an earlier date (I am using XP) and every >thing worked . >3 - I turned the cookies off and I could duplicate the problem. >4 - BUT over the last week the problem came back. > >Something must be messing with the cookies - Any Ideas? >Do you know where the cookies are placed and what the name of them are? How cookies are handled is determined by your browser, but Mailman's cookies are session cookies which normally aren't stored with persistent coolies. Session cookies last only for the current browser session. Persistent cookies are stored on your hard drive between sessions in a browser dependent way. If you are using MSIE 5, see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/223799/EN-US/ or for MSIE 6 see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/283185/EN-US/ for detailed information about cookie controls. You might search google for "session cookies" if you want other information. You might have some unknown adware or spyware on your machine that's messing with your cookie settings, although I think it would be more likely to accept unwanted cookies than vice versa. You might visit http://www.aumha.org/ for tools to help with this. Disclaimer - this site was recommended to me by a friend. I've visited it, but I haven't downloaded or used anything from it. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From rbranch1 at rochester.rr.com Sat Dec 11 21:44:53 2004 From: rbranch1 at rochester.rr.com (Bob Branch) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:44:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help desperately - Problem logging in In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net] >Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 12:32 PM >To: Bob Branch; mailman, user >Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Need help desperately - Problem logging in > > >Bob Branch wrote: >> >>>I have to log in each time I change to a different category. When >I change a >>>to different category I get the log-in screen and when I log back >in I am now >>>in the category I desired. >>>An added symptom is even though I am in as administrator any changes >I make do >>>not take effect. >>> >>>Any idea what is going on? I did check my cookies and they are enabled. >>> > >And: > >> >>1 - The problem exists only on this computer. If I go to another one it works >>ok. >>2 - I restored my computer back to an earlier date (I am using XP) and every >>thing worked . >>3 - I turned the cookies off and I could duplicate the problem. >>4 - BUT over the last week the problem came back. >> >>Something must be messing with the cookies - Any Ideas? >>Do you know where the cookies are placed and what the name of them are? > >How cookies are handled is determined by your browser, but Mailman's >cookies are session cookies which normally aren't stored with >persistent coolies. Session cookies last only for the current browser >session. Persistent cookies are stored on your hard drive between >sessions in a browser dependent way. > >If you are using MSIE 5, see >http://support.microsoft.com/kb/223799/EN-US/ or for MSIE 6 see >http://support.microsoft.com/kb/283185/EN-US/ for detailed information >about cookie controls. > >You might search google for "session cookies" if you want other >information. > >You might have some unknown adware or spyware on your machine that's >messing with your cookie settings, although I think it would be more >likely to accept unwanted cookies than vice versa. You might visit >http://www.aumha.org/ for tools to help with this. Disclaimer - this >site was recommended to me by a friend. I've visited it, but I haven't >downloaded or used anything from it. > >-- >Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, ----------------------------------------------- Thanks to Mark I think I found out what is going on! The cookie is being placed as a "3rd party cookie". Zone Alarm was blocking it SOME of the time!! Setting up the advanced cookie function and manually allowing 3rd party cookies from my 3 addresses has seemed to solve the problem. Time will tell. . Thanks again Mark! Bob From jccann at gmail.com Sat Dec 11 21:50:29 2004 From: jccann at gmail.com (Jeffery Cann) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:50:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 - genalias not working for postfix? Message-ID: I have seen several threads related to the genalias command. The idea is that with postfix, when you run genalias (and you have added the mailman alias files to your postfix main.cf), it will automatically update your mailman alias file. The problem for me on Fedora Core 3 is that when I set my MTA='Postfix' in the mm_cfg.py file and then run 'genalias', the alias file is supposed to be written to the data/aliases file. On FC3, this is located in /var/lib/mailman/data/ Here's an example # /usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases # ls /var/lib/mailman/data last_mailman_version sitelist.cfg My guess is that there is some configuration parameter that is preventing this from working. When I change remove the MTA='Postfix' in the mm_cfg.py file, aliases are generated. I realize this is the workaround, but I would like to have mailman working automatically to maintain postfix aliases when we add or remove mailman lists. I appreciate any suggestions. Jeff From chris at schoeppi.net Sat Dec 11 23:49:23 2004 From: chris at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:49:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 - genalias not working for postfix? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041211224922.GA3374@athlon.schoeppi.net> On Sa, Dez 11, 2004 at 01:50:29 -0700, Jeffery Cann wrote: > I have seen several threads related to the genalias command. The idea > is that with postfix, when you run genalias (and you have added the > mailman alias files to your postfix main.cf), it will automatically > update your mailman alias file. Yes, and that works fine here since more than a year ;-). > The problem for me on Fedora Core 3 is that when I set my > MTA='Postfix' in the mm_cfg.py file and then run 'genalias', the alias > file is supposed to be written to the data/aliases file. On FC3, this > is located in /var/lib/mailman/data/ > > Here's an example > > # /usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases > # ls /var/lib/mailman/data > last_mailman_version > sitelist.cfg > > My guess is that there is some configuration parameter that is > preventing this from working. When I change remove the MTA='Postfix' > in the mm_cfg.py file, aliases are generated. I realize this is the > workaround, but I would like to have mailman working automatically to > maintain postfix aliases when we add or remove mailman lists. Create the /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases file manualy and set the right permissions. Then try the genaliases command again: # touch /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases # chown user_that_your_webserver_runs_under:mailman aliases # chmod 660 aliases On my box with SUSE 8.1 the alias files in /var/lib/mailman/data look like this: # ls -al /var/lib/mailman/data/al* -rw-rw---- 1 wwwrun mailman 56857 Dec 11 23:45 aliases -rwxr-xr-x 1 wwwrun mailman 90112 Dec 11 23:45 aliases.db If the files were created correctly, you have to tell postfix about the mailman alias file. From /etc/postfix/main.cf: alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases Hth, Schoepp -- Christian Schoepplein | Alles rund ums WEB: http://www.connectweb.de chris at schoeppi.net | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de From djfreak at beathustler.com Sun Dec 12 01:06:18 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:06:18 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Very confusing Mailman README.POSTFIX on Virtual Domains Message-ID: Hello list In an attempt to make my lists reachable at my-list at lists.doman1hostedonmyserver.com instead of my-list at mail.domain1hostedonmyserver.com AND in an attempt to set up my-friend's-list at lists.doman2hostedonmyserver.com, I have attempted to follow the Virtual Domain instructions in the Mailman README.POSTFIX. I find them very hard to follow so I thought I would ask some specific questions regarding these instructions here. Next, in your mm_cfg.py file, you will want to set the variable POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS to the list of virtual domains that Mailman should update. This may not be all of the virtual alias domains that your Postfix installation supports! The values in this list will be matched against the host_name attribute of mailing lists objects, and must be an exact match. No problem. I did this. It currently reads ['mail.beathustler.com', 'beathustler.com']. I would actually like to remove mail.beathustler.com eventually but right now that would kill all Mailman functionality so it stays. I'm actually being told by the instructions to take out 'beathustler.com'. Does that mean I take out 'mail.beathustler.com' as well? Here's an example: Let's say I've set up Postfix to handle the virtual domains dom1.ain, dom2.ain, and dom3.ain. Let's say further that in main.cf you've got the following settings: myhostname = mail.dom1.ain mydomain = dom1.ain mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain I have mydestination commented out as I was instructed by one of the many sets of instructions I've been using. virtual_alias_maps = hash:/some/path/to/virtual-dom1, hash:/some/path/to/virtual-dom2, hash:/some/path/to/virtual-dom2 Huh? OK so we're in main.cf. FIrst of all the order of this code is unbelievably critical. You can't just say "add these lines to main.cf". We need to know exactly where those lines go. Second, where are those virtual-dom1 files going? Are they going in ~mailman/data next to virtual-mailman or are they going in /etc/postfix next to the postfix virtual file? Are those files meant to replace existing virtual files or do they reside in addition to them. Do I keep my original main.cf code that references the original virtual and virtual-mailman files? I think the README needs some more specific instructions there. Let's say further that in virtual-dom1, you've got the following lines: dom1.ain IGNORE @dom1.ain @mail.dom1.ain This tells Postfix to deliver anything addressed to dom1.ain to the same mailbox at mail.dom1.com, its default destination. OK but does this work if I am routing each URL's mail to its own local UNIX user as set in the Postfix Virtual file? In this case you would not include dom1.ain in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS because otherwise Mailman will write entries for mailing lists in the dom1.ain domain as mylist at dom1.ain mylist mylist-request at dom1.ain mylist-request # and so on... OK so I will pull ['beathustler.com'] when I set up the beathusltler.com-virtual file. The more specific entries trump your more general entries, thus breaking the delivery of any dom1.ain mailing list. However, you would include dom2.ain and dom3.ain in mm_cfg.py: POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['dom2.ain', 'dom3.ain'] Now, any list that Mailman creates in either of those two domains, will have the correct entries written to /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman Wait a minute, why am I treating 'dom2.ain' and 'dom3.ain' differently? Aren't they all just domains. Aren't I building dom2.ain-virtual and dom3.ain-virtual the exact same way I did for dom1? Why would I code those domains differently? I'm assuming the directions are going under the assumption that dom1 is the host IP's reverse look-up - www.beathustler.com in my case. Is that what's differentiating 1 from 2, 3 etc.? As above with the data/aliases* files, you want to make sure that both data/virtual-mailman and data/virtual-mailman.db are user and group owned by the `mailman' user/group. So to get things started, set up your virtual domains, run bin/genaliases, and check the ownerships of the files. From here on out, you should be good to go. ./check_perms right? I guess that means the virtual-mailman files stay where they are. Then there is a link to a site which suggests that I can use mailman-postfix.py which I feel able to do however it tells me to put mail.doman.com in my relay domains line in main.cf which I was told to leave commented out before. Does this mean I need to undo all virtual domains code including virtual-mailman which I perviously entered in order to use the mailman-postfix method? Thanks very much for any help on this. -Evan Miller From jpl at unknown.za.net Sun Dec 12 11:10:10 2004 From: jpl at unknown.za.net (Jesse Long) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:10:10 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL Message-ID: <41BC1902.1000306@unknown.za.net> Hi, I have a list, and the mail hostname and web url is correct, but the archives' hostname points to the actual hostname of the server, not the virtual hostname used by the other web interfaces. I found the following: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp which indicates that I need to change the PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL variable for the list. So I create a file with the following line in PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://correct.host.name/pipermail/listname/' and bin/config_list -i filename listname but it gives a warning "attribute PUBLIB_ARCHIVE_URL ignored". And the listinfo page still points to the wrong hostname Am I doing this correctly? Please help. PS. using 2.1.5 Cheers, Jesse From msapiro at value.net Sun Dec 12 18:50:26 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:50:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL In-Reply-To: <41BC1902.1000306@unknown.za.net> Message-ID: Jesse Long wrote: > >I have a list, and the mail hostname and web url is correct, but the >archives' hostname points to the actual hostname of the server, not the >virtual hostname used by the other web interfaces. > >I found the following: >http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp > >which indicates that I need to change the PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL variable >for the list. So I create a file with the following line in > >PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://correct.host.name/pipermail/listname/' > >and bin/config_list -i filename listname > >but it gives a warning "attribute PUBLIB_ARCHIVE_URL ignored". And the >listinfo page still points to the wrong hostname > >Am I doing this correctly? Please help. PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL is not a list attribute, it is a configuration parameter. It is defined in Defaults.py as PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s' If you change it, you would do this in mm_cfg.py, but the changes referred to in the FAQ article are only things like changing http to https or adding :port-number after %(hostname)s or perhaps changing the path from the host to the list. Since this applies sitewide, you don't want to replace "%(hostname)s" with "correct.host.name" since "correct.host.name" would not be correct for all domains. If your VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary is correctly set up as described in the FAQ article, %(hostname)s should be filled in correctly at the time the archive URL is presented. If this is not the case, it is either because the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary is not correct or the host_name attribute of the list (visible on the General Options page) is not one of the e-mail hosts in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary. (hostname is generated by inverting the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary and looking up the url-host that corresponds to the e-mail host.) If it is the case that you have two different virtual url hosts with the same e-mail host, then in this one case, Mailman can't determine which of the url hosts is the correct one. As a first step, I suggest making sure the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary is correct as described in the FAQ article. Then run bin/fix_url.py to fix the lists - it runs under bin/withlist, but you can run it stand alone for instructions. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From djfreak at beathustler.com Sun Dec 12 22:48:02 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:48:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderating posts not working Message-ID: <7F964628-4C87-11D9-BFB5-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Hi list Well this list has really been incredibly helpful I want to thank everybody for helping me out here. I am so close to being finally done. BUT, when I set a user to have moderated posts (as all of my users will for now), the posts disappear and do not get sent to the moderator or the admin. When I try to post as a moderated user to my test list named 'another', my mail log says: to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent (delivered to command: /Users/mailman/mail/mailman post another) So it looks like everything is fine except the log does not reflect an email having gone to the mods and the mods get no email. Plus, there are no moderated posts according to the Web interface. What am I doing wrong? Thanks again. -Evan Miller From msapiro at value.net Mon Dec 13 00:52:24 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:52:24 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderating posts not working In-Reply-To: <7F964628-4C87-11D9-BFB5-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Message-ID: DJ Freak > >BUT, when I set a user to have moderated posts (as all of my users will >for now), the posts disappear and do not get sent to the moderator or >the admin. When I try to post as a moderated user to my test list >named 'another', my mail log says: > >to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent >(delivered to command: /Users/mailman/mail/mailman post another) > >So it looks like everything is fine except the log does not reflect an >email having gone to the mods and the mods get no email. Plus, there >are no moderated posts according to the Web interface. > >What am I doing wrong? What is the setting for member_moderation_action on the Privacy options...->Sender filters page? Also, what is the setting for admin_immed_notify on the General Options page? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From djfreak at beathustler.com Mon Dec 13 06:17:29 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:17:29 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderating posts not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D78335-4CC6-11D9-80A7-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Privacy options->Sender Filters member_moderation is set to: Hold Should the list moderators get immediate notice of new requests, is set to: Yes When I send a mail to beat-hustler-admin at mail.beathustler.com I get an uncaught bounce notification. Sending to beat-hustler-owner works fine. beat-hustler-request works fine too. Everything works fine except moderator emails and moderation of postings. -evan On Dec 12, 2004, at 3:52 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > DJ Freak >> >> BUT, when I set a user to have moderated posts (as all of my users >> will >> for now), the posts disappear and do not get sent to the moderator or >> the admin. When I try to post as a moderated user to my test list >> named 'another', my mail log says: >> >> to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent >> (delivered to command: /Users/mailman/mail/mailman post another) >> >> So it looks like everything is fine except the log does not reflect an >> email having gone to the mods and the mods get no email. Plus, there >> are no moderated posts according to the Web interface. >> >> What am I doing wrong? > > What is the setting for member_moderation_action on the Privacy > options...->Sender filters page? > > Also, what is the setting for admin_immed_notify on the General Options > page? > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > From djfreak at beathustler.com Mon Dec 13 09:52:22 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 00:52:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need some help decoding this error code Message-ID: <4D873FAC-4CE4-11D9-80A7-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> So in the process of repairing my list not listing the moderated posts or sending the email notifications of moderated mails I managed to isolate this error code which is revealing the problem but I'm just not sure what problem it's pointing to: Dec 13 00:31:03 2004 (24653) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Moderate.py", line 67, in process ModeratedMemberPost) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 214, in hold_for_approval id = mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata) File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 180, in HoldMessage id = self.__nextid() File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 113, in __nextid while True: NameError: global name 'True' is not defined Thanks for any thoughts on this. -Evan Miller From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Dec 13 10:19:36 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:19:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need some help decoding this error code In-Reply-To: <4D873FAC-4CE4-11D9-80A7-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> References: <4D873FAC-4CE4-11D9-80A7-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Message-ID: At 12:52 AM -0800 2004-12-13, DJ Freak wrote: > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 113, in __nextid > while True: > NameError: global name 'True' is not defined See . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From djfreak at beathustler.com Mon Dec 13 12:59:01 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 03:59:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need some help decoding this error code In-Reply-To: References: <4D873FAC-4CE4-11D9-80A7-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Message-ID: <60E28D1A-4CFE-11D9-80A7-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> OK well now I'm onto another headache. Now I am pulling my hair our yet again because I cannot get my server to register the 2.2->2.3 Python upgrade. I have run both the GUI version of the 2.3 installer as well as the UNIX versions of the 2.3 and 2.3.4 installers about 12 times now. I have done the ./configure, make, and make install routine every time and still the machine says it's at Python 2.2. What am I missing here? Jeesh. This project turned into such a monster. Thanks again for the help. -Evan On Dec 13, 2004, at 1:19 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 12:52 AM -0800 2004-12-13, DJ Freak wrote: > >> File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 113, in __nextid >> while True: >> NameError: global name 'True' is not defined > > See > req=show&file=faq05.008.htp>. > > -- > Brad Knowles, > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. > From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Dec 13 13:18:45 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:18:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need some help decoding this error code In-Reply-To: <60E28D1A-4CFE-11D9-80A7-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> References: <4D873FAC-4CE4-11D9-80A7-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> <60E28D1A-4CFE-11D9-80A7-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Message-ID: At 3:59 AM -0800 2004-12-13, DJ Freak wrote: > I have done the ./configure, make, and make install routine every time > and still the machine says it's at Python 2.2. What am I missing here? I'm not aware of any GUI installer for Python, but make sure that your paths are correct, and that you're picking up the right version. How you do this will depend on what shell you're running, but you need to know where the various versions are installed, and which order they are found in your path. For example, /usr/bin/python might be version 2.2, but /usr/local/bin/python might be version 2.3.4. It may also be that the new version is installed in the correct place, and you simply haven't told your shell to update its concept of what binaries are installed where. A simple "rehash" command may be required to pick up the more recent version. Or closing that window and opening a new one may do the trick. Or maybe logging out and logging back in again. There are many different ways to skin this cat, depending on the precise nature of the problem. But path issues, picking up the right version, etc... is getting more into standard Unix commands and familiarity with your shell, and are not problems with Mailman per se. In this case, I'd recommend the books "MacOS X: The Missing Manual, Panther Edition" (see ) and "Learning Unix for MacOS X Panther" (see ). -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jwt at OnJapan.net Mon Dec 13 13:30:39 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:30:39 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need some help decoding this error code In-Reply-To: <4D873FAC-4CE4-11D9-80A7-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> References: <4D873FAC-4CE4-11D9-80A7-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Message-ID: <20041213123039.GA26809@server.onjapan.net> On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 12:52:22AM -0800, DJ Freak wrote: > isolate this error code which is revealing the problem but I'm just not > sure what problem it's pointing to: > > Dec 13 00:31:03 2004 (24653) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) [...] > File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 113, in __nextid > while True: > NameError: global name 'True' is not defined At the top of your Mailman/ListAdmin.py (just after the NL = '\n' line for example), add: try: True, False except NameError: True = 1 False = 0 to fix this for your old version of Python. Or replace your ListAdmin.py with the one from CVS which also fixes another problem you will no doubt run into soon. :-) -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From iain.smy at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 15:34:50 2004 From: iain.smy at gmail.com (iain) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:34:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Malformed Email Address & Failed Removal Message-ID: <6bf7409f041213063465bde4c2@mail.gmail.com> Hi all: I am running MM 2.1.3 and have a small list of about 250 users. I wish to remove all of those users and replace the list with a newer subscriber list. The removal is easy just do: /usr/local/mailman/bin/remove_members -a LISTNAME The problem is that there is 1 address in there that is malformed and I get the following: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/remove_members", line 186, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/remove_members", line 176, in main admin_notif, userack) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 946, in ApprovedDeleteMember self.removeMember(emailaddr) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 220, in removeMember self.__assertIsMember(member) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 113, in __assertIsMember raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: jillten at cate The actual offending email address is: jillten at cate@somedomain.com How can I remove this address? I have tried from the command line and from the admin screens without success. I have found a reference to a malformed address in an earlier post but it says to 'export' the user list and then re-import without the offending address. How does one 'export' the list of subscribers? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. From Cleveland at winnefox.org Mon Dec 13 17:33:08 2004 From: Cleveland at winnefox.org (Jody Cleveland) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:33:08 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not getting messages sent to list I created and subscribed to Message-ID: <7D3DDF19D93C3642931C3EB8803165A9013B7D54@mail.winnefox.org> I'm running Mailman 2.1.5 on Redhat 3.0AS using postfix. I installed Mailman from source. I was able to create a list using the web interface: http://mailman.winnefox.org/mailman/create. I was able to subscribe, and accept that subscription. I can modify all my user info. But, whenever I try posting to that list, I never get that post I made. Also, nothing appears in the archives for that list. I've read the faq here: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp and came up with this: Ran check_perms, everything is fine. Checked cron, everything is set there. Checked the aliases. All were created just fine. I'm using Postfix, and didn't notice anything about smrsh I tried adding SMTPHOST = '199.242.176.200' - made no difference Nothing appears to be in the queue. Nothing added to any of the logs for Mailman Any ideas what may be wrong? -- Jody Cleveland Computer Support Specialist cleveland at winnefox.org From jdennis at redhat.com Mon Dec 13 18:07:37 2004 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:07:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not getting messages sent to list I created and subscribed to In-Reply-To: <7D3DDF19D93C3642931C3EB8803165A9013B7D54@mail.winnefox.org> References: <7D3DDF19D93C3642931C3EB8803165A9013B7D54@mail.winnefox.org> Message-ID: <1102957657.14145.21.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-12-13 at 11:33, Jody Cleveland wrote: > I'm running Mailman 2.1.5 on Redhat 3.0AS using postfix. I installed > Mailman from source. > > I was able to create a list using the web interface: > http://mailman.winnefox.org/mailman/create. I was able to subscribe, and > accept that subscription. I can modify all my user info. But, whenever I > try posting to that list, I never get that post I made. Also, nothing > appears in the archives for that list. I've read the faq here: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp > and came up with this: > > Ran check_perms, everything is fine. > Checked cron, everything is set there. > Checked the aliases. All were created just fine. > I'm using Postfix, and didn't notice anything about smrsh > I tried adding SMTPHOST = '199.242.176.200' - made no difference > Nothing appears to be in the queue. > Nothing added to any of the logs for Mailman > > Any ideas what may be wrong? Ah, is mailmanctl running? When you build from source one of the things that is easily missed is all the service process control stuff thats in the RH rpm (using the RH supplied rpm should offer you the easiest path to a working mailman installation on 3.0AS). Mailman requires a master process (daemon) to be run (mailmanctl), typically it is automatically started by adding it to the init sequence. This requires an init script be installed, chkconfig be run to add it, and for the service to be initially started. Did you do all these things? Is mailmanctl running? -- John Dennis From Cleveland at winnefox.org Mon Dec 13 18:22:06 2004 From: Cleveland at winnefox.org (Jody Cleveland) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:22:06 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not getting messages sent to list I created a nd subscribed to Message-ID: <7D3DDF19D93C3642931C3EB8803165A9013B7D5D@mail.winnefox.org> Hi John, > Mailman requires a master process (daemon) to be run (mailmanctl), > typically it is automatically started by adding it to the > init sequence. > This requires an init script be installed, chkconfig be run to add it, > and for the service to be initially started. Did you do all these > things? Is mailmanctl running? I double checked, and it is running. I also did chkconfig to have it start automatically. I just checked the maillog, and there's nothing there after I try sending a message to the list. - jody From msapiro at value.net Mon Dec 13 18:27:36 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:27:36 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Malformed Email Address & Failed Removal In-Reply-To: <6bf7409f041213063465bde4c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: iain wrote: > >How can I remove this address? > >I have tried from the command line and from the admin screens without success. > >I have found a reference to a malformed address in an earlier post but >it says to 'export' the user list and then re-import without the >offending address. How does one 'export' the list of subscribers? bin/list_members but don't do that. Instead see the FAQ >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Article 3.13. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jdennis at redhat.com Mon Dec 13 18:32:42 2004 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:32:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not getting messages sent to list I created a nd subscribed to In-Reply-To: <7D3DDF19D93C3642931C3EB8803165A9013B7D5D@mail.winnefox.org> References: <7D3DDF19D93C3642931C3EB8803165A9013B7D5D@mail.winnefox.org> Message-ID: <1102959161.14145.28.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-12-13 at 12:22, Jody Cleveland wrote: > Hi John, > > > Mailman requires a master process (daemon) to be run (mailmanctl), > > typically it is automatically started by adding it to the > > init sequence. > > This requires an init script be installed, chkconfig be run to add it, > > and for the service to be initially started. Did you do all these > > things? Is mailmanctl running? > > I double checked, and it is running. I also did chkconfig to have it > start automatically. I assume you installed the mailman init script in /etc/init.d and not mailmanctl. > I just checked the maillog, and there's nothing > there after I try sending a message to the list. Is postfix running? Has postfix's alias file been updated with the list aliases? What's in /var/log/maillog? Did postfix see your test message and attempt to pipe it into the mailman wrapper (the aliases created by bin/newlist supplies these and postfix has to know about them, or you can have mailman autogenerate them for postfix by setting your MTA to postfix). -- John Dennis From msapiro at value.net Mon Dec 13 18:44:35 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:44:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderating posts not working In-Reply-To: <48D78335-4CC6-11D9-80A7-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Message-ID: DJ Freak wrote: >Privacy options->Sender Filters member_moderation is set to: Hold > >Should the list moderators get immediate notice of new requests, is >set to: Yes > >When I send a mail to beat-hustler-admin at mail.beathustler.com I get an >uncaught bounce notification. This is what's supposed to happen. For historical reasons, in mailman 2.1.x the -admin address is a synonym for the -bounces address. >Sending to beat-hustler-owner works >fine. beat-hustler-request works fine too. Everything works fine >except moderator emails and moderation of postings. I'm out of ideas - sorry. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jdennis at redhat.com Mon Dec 13 18:44:27 2004 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:44:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 - genalias not working for postfix? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1102959867.14145.40.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 15:50, Jeffery Cann wrote: > I have seen several threads related to the genalias command. The idea > is that with postfix, when you run genalias (and you have added the > mailman alias files to your postfix main.cf), it will automatically > update your mailman alias file. > > The problem for me on Fedora Core 3 is that when I set my > MTA='Postfix' in the mm_cfg.py file and then run 'genalias', the alias > file is supposed to be written to the data/aliases file. On FC3, this > is located in /var/lib/mailman/data/ If you are running the official FC3 rpm the location of the file is /etc/mailman/aliases. This is documented in /usr/share/doc/mailman-*/INSTALL.REDHAT. You will also have to edit your /etc/postfix/main.cf file and make sure that the alias_maps variable contains hash:/etc/mailman/aliases and restart postfix so it pick up the configuration change. Note the location of the MTA alias file changed during the beta period of FC3, this means there is a possibility you may have installed an RPM on your system prior to the official GOLD release which contains an older location. You can verify the location of the alias file by looking at the ALIASFILE variable in /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py -- John Dennis From rxweb+ at pitt.edu Mon Dec 13 18:44:57 2004 From: rxweb+ at pitt.edu (Thomas Waters) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:44:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to send mail to new lists Message-ID: Mailman 2.12 OS X 10.3.6 Server Added several lists via Mailman web interface. But get this message when trying to send mail to the list to test: Diagnostic code: smtp;550 : User unknown in local recipient table. I don't believe I have done anything different than when lists were created in the past, but am not clear what else to check. -- Thomas Waters Director of Information and Communication Services University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy 412-383-7471 rxweb+ at pitt.edu http://www.pharmacy.pitt.edu From Cleveland at winnefox.org Mon Dec 13 18:48:26 2004 From: Cleveland at winnefox.org (Jody Cleveland) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:48:26 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not getting messages sent to list I created a nd subscribed to Message-ID: <7D3DDF19D93C3642931C3EB8803165A9013B7D62@mail.winnefox.org> > I assume you installed the mailman init script in /etc/init.d and not > mailmanctl. Yeah. > Is postfix running? Yes, it is. I can send mail from that box out just fine. Plus, subscribe confirmation emails are being sent ok. > Has postfix's alias file been updated with the list aliases? Where is that file located? I checked in webmin, and those aliases do exist under postfix. > What's in /var/log/maillog? Did postfix see your test message > and attempt to pipe it into the mailman wrapper (the aliases > created by bin/newlist supplies these and postfix has to know about them, or you I first sent a message from my user account on that machine, which is what you see below from the log. A few minutes later, I tried sending a message to that list again. The maillog doesn't show anything for that. It seems like it never actually gets to postfix. Maillog: Dec 13 11:19:18 destiny postfix/cleanup[27800]: 8910D3E40A5: hold: header Received: (from root at localhost)??by mailman.winnefox.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iBDHJImn027795;??Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:19:18 -0600 from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]; from= to= proto=ESMTP helo= Dec 13 11:19:18 destiny postfix/cleanup[27800]: 8910D3E40A5: message-id=<1102958358.27790 at destiny.winnefox.org> Dec 13 11:19:18 destiny sendmail[27795]: iBDHJImn027795: to=cleveland at winnefox.org, ctladdr=cleveland at destiny.winnefox.org (500/500), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30434, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as 8910D3E40A5) Dec 13 11:19:18 destiny postfix/smtpd[27798]: disconnect from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] Dec 13 11:19:22 destiny MailScanner[25837]: New Batch: Scanning 1 messages, 1205 bytes Dec 13 11:19:22 destiny MailScanner[25837]: Virus and Content Scanning: Starting Dec 13 11:19:23 destiny MailScanner[25837]: Requeue: 8910D3E40A5 to B60593E40AA Dec 13 11:19:23 destiny MailScanner[25837]: Uninfected: Delivered 1 messages Dec 13 11:19:23 destiny postfix/nqmgr[1763]: B60593E40AA: from=, size=1014, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 13 11:19:23 destiny MailScanner[25837]: MailScanner child dying of old age Dec 13 11:19:23 destiny postfix/smtp[27810]: B60593E40AA: to=, relay=mail.winnefox.org[199.242.176.171], delay=5, status=sent (250 OK) Dec 13 11:19:23 destiny MailScanner[27811]: MailScanner E-Mail Virus Scanner version 4.36.4 starting... Dec 13 11:19:23 destiny MailScanner[27811]: User's home directory /var/spool/postfix is not writable Dec 13 11:19:23 destiny MailScanner[27811]: You need to set the "SpamAssassin User State Dir" to a directory that the "Run As User" can write to Dec 13 11:19:23 destiny MailScanner[27811]: Bayes database rebuild is due Dec 13 11:19:23 destiny MailScanner[27811]: SpamAssassin Bayes database rebuild preparing Dec 13 11:19:23 destiny MailScanner[27811]: SpamAssassin Bayes database rebuild starting Dec 13 11:19:23 destiny MailScanner[27811]: SpamAssassin Bayes database rebuild completed Dec 13 11:19:23 destiny MailScanner[27811]: Rebuilding SpamAssassin Bayes database Dec 13 11:19:23 destiny MailScanner[27811]: Enabling SpamAssassin auto-whitelist functionality... Dec 13 11:19:24 destiny MailScanner[27811]: Using locktype = flock --------------------- > can have mailman autogenerate them for postfix by setting your MTA to > postfix). I do have that set in mm_cfg.py - jody From msapiro at value.net Mon Dec 13 18:54:32 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:54:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to send mail to new lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thomas Waters wrote: > >Added several lists via Mailman web interface. But get this message >when trying to send mail to the list to test: >Diagnostic code: smtp;550 : User unknown in local >recipient table. > >I don't believe I have done anything different than when lists were >created in the past, but am not clear what else to check. It would appear that the aliases for the new lists have not been added to the MTA. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From acc at anthonychavez.org Mon Dec 13 19:54:14 2004 From: acc at anthonychavez.org (Anthony Chavez) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:54:14 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Poster not receiving his own posts References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:53:56 -0800 Mark Sapiro wrote: > Anthony Chavez wrote: >> >>I myself subscribe to this list, have the nodupes bit set, and see >>"Receive your own posts to the list? Yes" in my configuration page. I >>receive copies of my own posts. Would that be because I'm the owner? > > That's how it should work for everyone. The above statement seems to contradict the following one (from earlier in this thread). >>On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:36:51 -0800 Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> >>> If a regular member's options include "nodupes" and the member's >>> address is in a To: or Cc: header of the post, Mailman will not send >>> the post to that member. This latter statement seems to be the accurate one, but I'm at a loss as to why I should be receiving my own posts when I have the nodupes bit set. The only logical deduction that I can come up with is that it is because I am the list owner. >>The other subscriber *also* has the nodupes bit, also sees "Receive your >>own posts to the list? Yes" in his configuration page. He *doesn't* >>receive copies of his own posts, yet everyone else does. > > Then, assuming your re-analysis of the numbers is correct and Mailman > is not sending to him, there is something about his post as received > by Mailman which causes this. The most obvious thing would be that > somehow his own e-mail address is in the To: or Cc: (how it gets there > is another question). > > I suggest you carefully look at ALL the headers in his post(s) vs. > yours to try to see if you can identify any suspicious differences. Apart from the usual headers, there are 3 differences: 1. He has a few X- headers, such as X-US-Mail, X-Telephone, X-FAX and X-URL. I have only X-PGP-Key. In any case, these shouldn't affect. 2. I have User-Agent, Mime-Version, Content-Type, and Content-Transfer-Encoding. Again, these shouldn't matter. 3. He includes a Cc: header with no value in every post. This seems like it *could* be interfering, but why would it? > Another possibility might be topics, but I'm guessing your list doesn't > have topics defined or you would have looked at this. No, topics have not been configured, but if they were standing in the way, the message would be killed before being to delivered to *anyone,* wouldn't it? > You might also run bin/dumpdb on the list's config.pck file and see if > there's anything there that is different for him than for others. I see no differences outright. Thanks again. - -- Anthony Chavez http://anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc at anthonychavez.org jabber:acc at jabber.anthonychavez.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (Darwin) iD8DBQFBveVbbZTbIaRBRXERAiPKAJ9gyNwAnhoCgoAwKRJVUxr7aaU6JwCfSNVL 3SGN++M/6PmG4CeoUYqVRmY= =Qq54 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tech at khouse.org Mon Dec 13 20:03:31 2004 From: tech at khouse.org (Russell Mann) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:03:31 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preline fatal failure - broken pipe Message-ID: <20041213190334.C8F521E400A@bag.python.org> Mailman list, I'm starting to see messages like this in great abundance: ----------------------------------------------------------- Hi. This is the qmail-send program at server.DOMAIN.org. I tried to deliver a bounce message to this address, but the bounce bounced! : TO ACCESS THE MAILING LIST SYSTEM: Start your web browser on http://lists.DOMAIN.org/ That web page will help you subscribe or unsubscribe, and will give you directions on how to post to each mailing list. preline: fatal: unable to copy input: broken pipe I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long. ----------------------------------------------------------- My system is setup like this: Qmail patched like a madman. Vpopmail The lists.* domains have a .qmail-default with: |/var/qmail/bin/preline /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/DOMAIN.org/qmail-to-mailman.py Qmail-to-mailman.py is the Bruce Perens script. -------------- Any suggestions on where to start on this one? I've googled, I've searched the mailman list, and I still can't buy a clue. Thanks, Russell From djfreak at beathustler.com Mon Dec 13 20:29:46 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:29:46 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need some help decoding this error code In-Reply-To: <20041213123039.GA26809@server.onjapan.net> References: <4D873FAC-4CE4-11D9-80A7-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> <20041213123039.GA26809@server.onjapan.net> Message-ID: <59013B9A-4D3D-11D9-A808-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> JIM! You're a genius. Brilliant genius. Oh my god I'm dancing and singing. I know what you're all thinking. How sloppy to have a broken Python 2.3 sitting there. Well if I need it one day then I'll wake it up. Until then, Jim's a GENIUS! Thanks again for all the help everyone. Couldn't have done it without you. Very helpful mail list indeed. -evan On Dec 13, 2004, at 4:30 AM, Jim Tittsler wrote: > On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 12:52:22AM -0800, DJ Freak wrote: >> isolate this error code which is revealing the problem but I'm just >> not >> sure what problem it's pointing to: >> >> Dec 13 00:31:03 2004 (24653) Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop >> self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > [...] >> File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 113, in __nextid >> while True: >> NameError: global name 'True' is not defined > > At the top of your Mailman/ListAdmin.py (just after the NL = > '\n' line for example), add: > > try: > True, False > except NameError: > True = 1 > False = 0 > > to fix this for your old version of Python. Or replace your > ListAdmin.py with the one from CVS which also fixes another > problem you will no doubt run into soon. :-) > > Mailman/ListAdmin.py?rev=2.43> > > -- > Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 > Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ > Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html > From jwblist at olympus.net Mon Dec 13 21:09:45 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:09:45 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Poster not receiving his own posts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/13/2004 10:54, "Anthony Chavez" wrote: > 3. He includes a Cc: header with no value in every post. This seems > like it *could* be interfering, but why would it? Well, it *could* be confusing the NoDups code (if that code contains a bug). I'm not good enough at reading RFC 2822 to know whether a blank Cc: header is legal or not (after spending only a few minutes, I lean toward not legal), but either way having such a header mess up NoDups processing would be a Mailman bug. A test here with Mailman 2.1.2 seems to say that a blank Cc: header doesn't bother the NoDups processing in that version. (Where "blank" means either just a space after Cc: or nothing after Cc:) (Test run using telnet to the mail server by hand.) --John From msapiro at value.net Mon Dec 13 21:24:23 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:24:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Poster not receiving his own posts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anthony Chavez wrote: > >On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:53:56 -0800 Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> Anthony Chavez wrote: >>> >>>I myself subscribe to this list, have the nodupes bit set, and see >>>"Receive your own posts to the list? Yes" in my configuration page. I >>>receive copies of my own posts. Would that be because I'm the owner? >> >> That's how it should work for everyone. > >The above statement seems to contradict the following one (from earlier >in this thread). Not necessarily. See below for more explanation. >>>On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:36:51 -0800 Mark Sapiro wrote: >>>> >>>> If a regular member's options include "nodupes" and the member's >>>> address is in a To: or Cc: header of the post, Mailman will not send >>>> the post to that member. > >This latter statement seems to be the accurate one, but I'm at a loss as >to why I should be receiving my own posts when I have the nodupes bit >set. The only logical deduction that I can come up with is that it is >because I am the list owner. The latter statement is correct, but so is the former if we assume that your own address is not mentioned in a To:, Cc:, Resent-To: or Resent-Cc: header of your post. If you do not want to receive your own posts, the setting that controls this is called "not metoo" on the admin membership list and is described as "Receive your own posts to the list?" on the user's options page. The setting called "nodupes" on the admin membership list is described as "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" on the user's options page. To sumarize, "nodupes" means do not send this post to this member if the member is included in the To:, Cc:, Resent-To: or Resent-Cc: recipients of the post; "not metoo" means do not send this post to this member if the member is the poster. Also, as far as I know, Mailman makes absolutely no decision about any delivery (other than an explicit delivery to listname-owner) based on whether or not the would be recipient address is an owner or moderator. > >>>The other subscriber *also* has the nodupes bit, also sees "Receive your >>>own posts to the list? Yes" in his configuration page. He *doesn't* >>>receive copies of his own posts, yet everyone else does. >> >> Then, assuming your re-analysis of the numbers is correct and Mailman >> is not sending to him, there is something about his post as received >> by Mailman which causes this. The most obvious thing would be that >> somehow his own e-mail address is in the To: or Cc: (how it gets there >> is another question). >> >> I suggest you carefully look at ALL the headers in his post(s) vs. >> yours to try to see if you can identify any suspicious differences. > >Apart from the usual headers, there are 3 differences: > >1. He has a few X- headers, such as X-US-Mail, X-Telephone, X-FAX and > X-URL. I have only X-PGP-Key. In any case, these shouldn't affect. > >2. I have User-Agent, Mime-Version, Content-Type, and > Content-Transfer-Encoding. Again, these shouldn't matter. > >3. He includes a Cc: header with no value in every post. This seems > like it *could* be interfering, but why would it? Mailman puts this empty Cc: header into some posts. The process in AvoidDuplicates.py deletes any Cc: addresses for which it will avoid a duplicate and collapses all remaining Cc:s into one header even if there are zero Cc:s left or to begin with. All posts received from the list (yours, his and anyone else's) that had any explicit recipients other than the list will contain a Cc: with zero or more addresses. The fact that his posts received from the list contain an empty Cc: *MAY* indicate that his original message to the list contained a Cc: to himself or to some other list member who avoids duplicates, but it may not. There are other ways to get this empty Cc:. However, if the To: mentions only the list address and it is all lower case (yes this makes a difference) and there is no Resent-To: or Resent-Cc:, then the empty Cc: means the original post had a non-empty Cc: and the address(es) in that original Cc: were not sent a copy of the post because they were set for nodups. >> Another possibility might be topics, but I'm guessing your list doesn't >> have topics defined or you would have looked at this. > >No, topics have not been configured, but if they were standing in the >way, the message would be killed before being to delivered to *anyone,* >wouldn't it? No. The set of recipients would depend on what topic(s) if any the message matched, what members are subscribed to those topics and if the message didn't match any topics, which members elected to receive such messages. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From acc at anthonychavez.org Mon Dec 13 21:27:54 2004 From: acc at anthonychavez.org (Anthony Chavez) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:27:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Poster not receiving his own posts References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:09:45 -0800 "John W. Baxter" wrote: > On 12/13/2004 10:54, "Anthony Chavez" wrote: > >> 3. He includes a Cc: header with no value in every post. This seems >> like it *could* be interfering, but why would it? > > Well, it *could* be confusing the NoDups code (if that code contains a bug). Actually, after some fiddling, I see that the bit that affects delivery back to the poster is the "not metoo" bit. You can confirm this by using the administrative Web interface (Membership Management) and toggling the "Receive your own posts to the list?" bit in your personal configuration page. > I'm not good enough at reading RFC 2822 to know whether a blank Cc: header > is legal or not (after spending only a few minutes, I lean toward not > legal), but either way having such a header mess up NoDups processing would > be a Mailman bug. I am inclined to agree with you (except that as stated above, I think that the bit in question is "not metoo"). > A test here with Mailman 2.1.2 seems to say that a blank Cc: header doesn't > bother the NoDups processing in that version. (Where "blank" means either > just a space after Cc: or nothing after Cc:) (Test run using telnet to the > mail server by hand.) This particular use is posting with a blank space after Cc:. I'm running 2.1.5, BTW. FWIW, htdig 3.2.0b6 is installed but not configured nor running. Same goes for AMaViS 2.2.0, ClamAV 0.75, and SpamAssassin 2.64, none of which are being piped any messages, AFAICT. All on FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p2. - -- Anthony Chavez http://anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc at anthonychavez.org jabber:acc at jabber.anthonychavez.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (Darwin) iD8DBQFBvftObZTbIaRBRXERAvrzAJ0ZBV8lMpdE/wg+rVvq8w/4nDx3ZQCfdj+b 2c+XMvR5Y0ZiperTZjwvUvQ= =GZX+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From msapiro at value.net Mon Dec 13 22:22:16 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:22:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Poster not receiving his own posts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anthony Chavez wrote: > >This particular use is posting with a blank space after Cc:. As I discuss in another branch of this thread, the user is not posting this "Cc: ". The user's post contains either no Cc: at all or a Cc: containing only recipients for whom duplicates are being avoided because of their respective "nodupes" options. Mailman is responsible for this empty "Cc: " header. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jwblist at olympus.net Mon Dec 13 23:35:49 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:35:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Poster not receiving his own posts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/13/2004 13:22, "Mark Sapiro" wrote: > Anthony Chavez wrote: >> >> This particular use is posting with a blank space after Cc:. > > As I discuss in another branch of this thread, the user is not posting > this "Cc: ". The user's post contains either no Cc: at all or a Cc: > containing only recipients for whom duplicates are being avoided > because of their respective "nodupes" options. Mailman is responsible > for this empty "Cc: " header. Or the incoming *could* contain an empty Cc: header based on the testing I ran. The header was in the message to the posting address, and survived into the messages Mailman sent out. (Which matches your description of Mailman's processing.) HOWEVER, an incoming empty Cc: header is very much the least likely way to get an empty Cc: header into messages sent out by Mailman, as I understand now based on your explanations. It was because I don't know how to cause any of my mail clients to produce an empty Cc: that I produced the test messages by hand. --John From amado.alves at netcabo.pt Tue Dec 14 00:20:55 2004 From: amado.alves at netcabo.pt (Marius Amado Alves) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:20:55 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit options security flaw Message-ID: <41BE23D7.8020209@netcabo.pt> I don't want to sign up with SourceForge so here's a bug report right here. Sometimes version 2.1.5 lets a user A edit the options of another user B as follows. User A consults the member list (using his name and password normally). Here A picks an email address of user B. User A returns to the main page, enters address of B in the Edit options slot and presses Edit options. Normally Mailman requires a password, but sometimes IT DOES NOT and goes straight to the editable options list page. I'd like to know if somebody else has experienced this behavior. Regards, --Marius From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Tue Dec 14 00:24:50 2004 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (Kevin W. Gagel) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:24:50 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit options security flaw Message-ID: <41be24c2.1c8.8d8.28945@cnc.bc.ca> Marius, What is the browser you are using? ----- Original Message Follows ----- From: Marius Amado Alves To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit options security flaw Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:20:55 +0000 > I don't want to sign up with SourceForge so here's a bug > report right here. > > Sometimes version 2.1.5 lets a user A edit the options of > another user B as follows. > > User A consults the member list (using his name and > password normally). Here A picks an email address of user > B. User A returns to the main page, enters address of B > in the Edit options slot and presses Edit options. > Normally Mailman requires a password, but sometimes IT > DOES NOT and goes straight to the editable options list > page. > > I'd like to know if somebody else has experienced this > behavior. > > Regards, > --Marius > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ ========================= Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator Information Technology Services (250) 561-5848 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From amado.alves at netcabo.pt Tue Dec 14 00:55:03 2004 From: amado.alves at netcabo.pt (Marius Amado Alves) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:55:03 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit options security flaw In-Reply-To: <41be24c2.1c8.8d8.28945@cnc.bc.ca> References: <41be24c2.1c8.8d8.28945@cnc.bc.ca> Message-ID: <41BE2BD7.1040901@netcabo.pt> > What is the browser you are using? Netscape 7.1 From matt at frii.com Tue Dec 14 01:05:49 2004 From: matt at frii.com (Matt Ruzicka) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:05:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman file and directory permissions Message-ID: My company is running and testing Mailman to replace majordomo (finally) in a FreeBSD environment. From the README.BSD file I see that it is possible to io install without turning on the setgid bit on directories. However, even with a 'make DIRSETGID=: install' a number of executable files are installed with the setgid bit. The fact that these same files, as well as pretty much everything else in the mailman directory, are set to allow world read and execute makes us very nervous, especially since this is a shared environment. Are we missing something or is this not a recipe for anyone being able to run these commands? I realize that most things are password protected as well and it appears only the cgi-files are setgid, but we were toying with this idea and were wondering how bad of an idea it is. chmod -R go-rwxs /u/mailman chmod 4550 /u/mailman/cgi-bin/* chown -R mailman:webgroup /u/mailman/cgi-bin chmod 750 /u/mailman/cgi-bin chmod 644 /u/mailman/data/* chmod 711 /u/mailman chmod 711 /u/mailman/data/ We also did this, but are not sure they are necessary: chmod 711 /u/mailman/mail chmod 711 /u/mailman/mail/mailman We figure we would rather have the web server running these scripts as mailman instead of allowing anyone to execute all of these scripts. After we made these changes in the test environment everything seems to be functioning normal from the outside perspective. If this is a horrible idea, why? And if this is highly discouraged, has anyone else done anything to limit permissions further from the default install to disallow prying eyes and curios fingers? Thanks. Matthew Ruzicka - Systems Administrator Front Range Internet, Inc. matt at frii.net - (970) 212-0728 Got SPAM? Take back your email with MailArmory. http://www.MailArmory.com From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Tue Dec 14 01:07:15 2004 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:07:15 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit options security flaw In-Reply-To: <41BE23D7.8020209@netcabo.pt> References: <41BE23D7.8020209@netcabo.pt> Message-ID: <41BE2EB3.3080509@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Marius Amado Alves wrote: > Sometimes version 2.1.5 lets a user A edit the options of another user B > as follows. > > User A consults the member list (using his name and password normally). > Here A picks an email address of user B. User A returns to the main > page, enters address of B in the Edit options slot and presses Edit > options. Normally Mailman requires a password, but sometimes IT DOES NOT > and goes straight to the editable options list page. > > I'd like to know if somebody else has experienced this behavior. Isn't the user A also the owner of the list ? If he have logged in at the admin page and go to options page of any member of the list, then the password input is passed. Go to the admin page and click the Logout link. Then try again for user B. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 14 01:28:11 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:28:11 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit options security flaw In-Reply-To: <41BE2EB3.3080509@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: Tokio Kikuchi wrote: >Marius Amado Alves wrote: > >> Sometimes version 2.1.5 lets a user A edit the options of another user B >> as follows. >> >> User A consults the member list (using his name and password normally). >> Here A picks an email address of user B. User A returns to the main >> page, enters address of B in the Edit options slot and presses Edit >> options. Normally Mailman requires a password, but sometimes IT DOES NOT >> and goes straight to the editable options list page. >> >> I'd like to know if somebody else has experienced this behavior. > >Isn't the user A also the owner of the list ? >If he have logged in at the admin page and go to options page of any >member of the list, then the password input is passed. Go to the admin >page and click the Logout link. Then try again for user B. As Tokio points out, if user A logged in with the list password rather than user A's personal password, this explains the behavior and is not a problem since someone who knows the list password is allowed to visit any options page. Even if user A provided her/his personal password when visiting the roster, if he/she had previously logged in with the list password during that session and not logged out, the list admin login cookie will still be in the browser enabling visits to other users options without their passwords. Other than this, I am unable to duplicate this problem in any way that might be a security breach. I have tried both the scenario that Marius gives and also, just clicking user B's address in the roster which is processed the same way. The only times I can successfuly reach user B's options page without a password are those times when I have previously logged in with the list password and not logged out or closed the browser in between. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jwt at onjapan.net Tue Dec 14 02:57:04 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:57:04 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preline fatal failure - broken pipe In-Reply-To: <20041213190334.C8F521E400A@bag.python.org> References: <20041213190334.C8F521E400A@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <73F1C056-4D73-11D9-B3C3-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Dec 14, 2004, at 04:03, Russell Mann wrote: > : > [...] > Qmail patched like a madman. > Vpopmail > The lists.* domains have a .qmail-default with: > [...] > Qmail-to-mailman.py is the Bruce Perens script. It looks like you are running with VERP bounce processing enabled, but with a script/configuration that doesn't understand it. You could disable Mailman's use of VERP in your mm_cfg.py or use a method that passes the VERP info on (try the qmail VERP-enabled delivery handler in the Mailman SourceForge tracker, or use aliases, or a different MTA :-). -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From perj8 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 14 03:14:09 2004 From: perj8 at hotmail.com (Roger Tsang) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:14:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: mailmanctl -s -q start Message-ID: I'm running mm-2.1.5 install from source with Python-2.3.3 on Fedora Core (kernel-2.4) and getting the following error when starting mailman from the provided init.d script. # service mailman start and it runs mailmanctl -s -q start I keep on getting the same error messages. Mailman is installed on a ext3 partition. What does the trace mean? Bad filesystem? Anybody seen it? TIA Dec 13 20:42:55 2004 mailmanctl(68792): Traceback (most recent call last): Dec 13 20:42:55 2004 mailmanctl(68792): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 547, in ? Dec 13 20:42:55 2004 mailmanctl(68792): main() Dec 13 20:42:55 2004 mailmanctl(68792): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 405, in main Dec 13 20:42:55 2004 mailmanctl(68792): lock._take_possession() Dec 13 20:42:55 2004 mailmanctl(68792): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 401, in _take_possession Dec 13 20:42:55 2004 mailmanctl(68792): while self.__linkcount() <> 2 or self.__read() <> tmpfname: Dec 13 20:42:55 2004 mailmanctl(68792): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 431, in __read Dec 13 20:42:55 2004 mailmanctl(68792): filename = fp.read() Dec 13 20:42:55 2004 mailmanctl(68792): IOError : [Errno 5] Input/output error Dec 13 20:44:43 2004 mailmanctl(68832): Traceback (most recent call last): Dec 13 20:44:43 2004 mailmanctl(68832): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 547, in ? Dec 13 20:44:43 2004 mailmanctl(68832): main() Dec 13 20:44:43 2004 mailmanctl(68832): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 405, in main Dec 13 20:44:43 2004 mailmanctl(68832): lock._take_possession() Dec 13 20:44:43 2004 mailmanctl(68832): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 401, in _take_possession Dec 13 20:44:43 2004 mailmanctl(68832): while self.__linkcount() <> 2 or self.__read() <> tmpfname: Dec 13 20:44:43 2004 mailmanctl(68832): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 431, in __read Dec 13 20:44:43 2004 mailmanctl(68832): filename = fp.read() Dec 13 20:44:43 2004 mailmanctl(68832): IOError : [Errno 5] Input/output error Dec 13 20:44:43 2004 mailmanctl(68831): Traceback (most recent call last): Dec 13 20:44:43 2004 mailmanctl(68831): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 547, in ? Dec 13 20:44:43 2004 mailmanctl(68831): main() Dec 13 20:44:43 2004 mailmanctl(68831): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 402, in main Dec 13 20:44:43 2004 mailmanctl(68831): lock._transfer_to(pid) Dec 13 20:44:43 2004 mailmanctl(68831): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 392, in _transfer_to Dec 13 20:44:43 2004 mailmanctl(68831): assert self.__linkcount() == 2 Dec 13 20:44:43 2004 mailmanctl(68831): AssertionError Dec 13 20:47:40 2004 mailmanctl(68917): Traceback (most recent call last): Dec 13 20:47:40 2004 mailmanctl(68917): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 547, in ? Dec 13 20:47:40 2004 mailmanctl(68917): main() Dec 13 20:47:40 2004 mailmanctl(68917): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 389, in main Dec 13 20:47:40 2004 mailmanctl(68917): lock = acquire_lock(force) Dec 13 20:47:40 2004 mailmanctl(68917): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 213, in acquire_lock Dec 13 20:47:40 2004 mailmanctl(68917): lock = acquire_lock_1(force) Dec 13 20:47:40 2004 mailmanctl(68917): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 207, in acquire_lock_1 Dec 13 20:47:40 2004 mailmanctl(68917): os.unlink(os.path.join(mm_cfg.LOCK_DIR, tempfile)) Dec 13 20:47:40 2004 mailmanctl(68917): OSError : [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/locks/master-qrunner.node1.68832' From akrall-lists at intruder.com.mx Tue Dec 14 03:19:21 2004 From: akrall-lists at intruder.com.mx (Anton Krall) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:19:21 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Lists Message-ID: <20041214021831.B50705B40F2@intruder.com.mx> Guys. Im still using mailman 1.4 and I was wondering, what are the steps needed for updating to the latest version? Also, can the latest version support virtual lists? I compiled mailman with --with-mailhost and --with-urlhost but I dont want to have to create a new mailman installation for every site or website that I want to offer lists to... Any ideas for a workaround? Thx! Anton Krall From akrall-lists at intruder.com.mx Tue Dec 14 03:30:40 2004 From: akrall-lists at intruder.com.mx (Anton Krall) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:30:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Lists In-Reply-To: <20041214021831.B50705B40F2@intruder.com.mx> Message-ID: <20041214022951.027E05B40F2@intruder.com.mx> Sorry for the typo, I am using version 2.1.4 not 1.4 -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Anton Krall Sent: Lunes, 13 de Diciembre de 2004 08:19 p.m. To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Lists Guys. Im still using mailman 1.4 and I was wondering, what are the steps needed for updating to the latest version? Also, can the latest version support virtual lists? I compiled mailman with --with-mailhost and --with-urlhost but I dont want to have to create a new mailman installation for every site or website that I want to offer lists to... Any ideas for a workaround? Thx! Anton Krall ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From sisira at apac.ko.com Tue Dec 14 05:00:12 2004 From: sisira at apac.ko.com (Sisira Kumara) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:00:12 +0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sisira Kumara/LK/APAC/TCCC is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 12/14/2004 and will not return until 12/23/2004. I will respond to your message when I return. From Easy1 at waterplanet.ws Tue Dec 14 06:36:14 2004 From: Easy1 at waterplanet.ws (Easy) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:36:14 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not All Subscribers Receiving Daily Email Message-ID: <41BE7BCE.7090708@waterplanet.ws> Mailman had been working find on a 600+ subscriber list. Something changed? somewhere? Now more than a few people are not getting their email. Sending directly to a subscriber works fine. On another list with 30 subscribers. One subscriber is on both lists. This subscriber receives emails from the 30 subscriber list but not from the 600+ subscriber list. How can this be fixed? How can this issue be further isolated so it can be resolved? Thank you, Easy Spokane === From Easy1 at waterplanet.ws Tue Dec 14 06:55:44 2004 From: Easy1 at waterplanet.ws (Easy) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:55:44 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not All Subscribers Receiving Daily Email In-Reply-To: References: <41BE7BCE.7090708@waterplanet.ws> Message-ID: <41BE8060.6070004@waterplanet.ws> What is meant by a 'personalized' list. (See the header below for a message that was received.) The one subscriber that is on both lists and only receives from the small list is on Earthlink. Earthlink says they are not blocking the list. --- Header: -------- Original Message -------- From: - Sun Dec 12 16:22:39 2004 X-Account-Key: account1 X-UIDL: ae0d271f8c52ab01f65340037513d977 X-Mozilla-Status: 0201 X-Mozilla-Status2: 10000000 Return-path: Envelope-to: mail1 at goodmorningworld.org Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:21:55 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spark.servercorp.com) by spark.servercorp.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cddy4-00041s-JZ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:21:36 -0500 Received: from [24.41.32.86] (helo=[192.168.123.144]) by spark.servercorp.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1Cddxw-00040r-Qw for gmw at GoodMorningWorld.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:21:34 -0500 Message-ID: <41BCE094.4010404 at GoodMorningWorld.org> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:21:40 -0800 From: mail1 at GoodMorningWorld.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8a5) Gecko/20041122 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gmw at GoodMorningWorld.org Cc: Subject: [GMW] #578 Nurturing Children To Participate For A Better World For Everyone X-BeenThere: Gmw at goodmorningworld.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Robert Muller's Ideas & Dreams For A Better World" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0594057009==" Sender: Gmw-bounces at goodmorningworld.org Errors-To: Gmw-bounces at goodmorningworld.org Dan Phillips wrote: > > On Dec 13, 2004, at 11:36 PM, Easy wrote: > >> Mailman had been working find on a 600+ subscriber list. Something >> changed? somewhere? >> >> Now more than a few people are not getting their email. >> >> Sending directly to a subscriber works fine. >> On another list with 30 subscribers. One subscriber is on both lists. >> This subscriber receives emails from the 30 subscriber list but not >> from the 600+ subscriber list. >> >> How can this be fixed? >> >> How can this issue be further isolated so it can be resolved? >> >> Thank you, Easy >> Spokane >> > > Are the lists personalized? If not, messages to the larger list may be > caught by spam filters because they have too many recipients. Check > the ISPs of those not receiving posts and their spam filtering policies. > > Dan > > > > From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 14 07:10:59 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:10:59 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not All Subscribers Receiving Daily Email In-Reply-To: <41BE7BCE.7090708@waterplanet.ws> Message-ID: Easy wrote: >Mailman had been working find on a 600+ subscriber list. Something >changed? somewhere? If you don't know what changed, how could we? >Now more than a few people are not getting their email. Is delivery enabled for these members? Is there a pattern? E.g. are digest members and only digest members not getting mail? >Sending directly to a subscriber works fine. >From the same machine that Mailman is on? >On another list with 30 subscribers. One subscriber is on both lists. >This subscriber receives emails from the 30 subscriber list but not from >the 600+ subscriber list. > >How can this be fixed? > >How can this issue be further isolated so it can be resolved? If bounce_processing is not on for this list, turn it on. Check the mailman bounce, smtp, smtp-failure and error logs. Check the MTA logs. If you don't have access to these things, get your provider to check them for you. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 14 07:33:05 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:33:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not All Subscribers Receiving Daily Email In-Reply-To: <41BE8060.6070004@waterplanet.ws> Message-ID: Easy wrote: >What is meant by a 'personalized' list. (See the header below for a >message that was received.) If you don't know, then your list probably isn't personalized. If your Mailman installation allows personalization, you will have the option to turn it enable it for a list on the Non-digest options page. >The one subscriber that is on both lists and only receives from the >small list is on Earthlink. Earthlink says they are not blocking the list. If other Earthlink subscribers are receiving the list, then this probably isn't the issue - see below. >--- > >Header: >Dan Phillips wrote: > >> Are the lists personalized? If not, messages to the larger list may be >> caught by spam filters because they have too many recipients. Check >> the ISPs of those not receiving posts and their spam filtering policies. If a list is personalized, each recipients message is sent in a separate SMTP transaction because its content may be different in some ways from all the other messages. It the list is not personalized, messages are sent to a large number of recipients in one SMTP transaction. However this is only the delivery of the message to the outgoing MTA. What happens next depends on the outgoing MTA, but maybe the message is then sent to all the recipients that are in the same domain (e.g. aol.com or earthlink.net) in a single SMTP transaction with the recipients domain. Dan is suggesting that if this transaction has "too many" recipients, it might be rejected. If this is the reason, all the users who aren't getting the posts would be in the same few domains, each of which contained "too many" affected users. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From Easy1 at waterplanet.ws Tue Dec 14 08:54:33 2004 From: Easy1 at waterplanet.ws (Easy) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:54:33 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not All Subscribers Receiving Daily Email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41BE9C39.20402@waterplanet.ws> Thanks for the help, it is appreciated. Here are comments on the comments below: Mailman is part of a CPanel system. I don't see a personalize option in the Non-digest options page. Just 3 - receive mail immediately, header, footer. Some Earthlink and some AOL subscribers are not receiving their messages others are receiving them fine. There does NOT seem to be a pattern yet to those reporting not receiving the daily message. The statement that the list was working fine was intended to mean that the list had been up for months, with people subscribing and unsubscribing etc without any glitches - a 'stable' list of about 630 subscribers. Then missing emails started being reported around September. Perhaps someone else experienced something similar??? And found a solution???????? This is a newsletter of one email per day. Few if anyone receives a digest. When i notice someone with digest set it is turned off. I'm not sure if mailman is on the same machine. I send to mailman and directly from the same email address. On those that do not receive the daily message - sending a direct message to them works fine. Bounce-processing is NOW fully turned on. I'll ask the IP provider for the error logs. If bounce_processing is not on for this list, turn it on. Check the mailman bounce, smtp, smtp-failure and error logs. Check the MTA logs. If you don't have access to these things, get your provider to check them for you. === Easy wrote: >>What is meant by a 'personalized' list. (See the header below for a >>message that was received.) > > If you don't know, then your list probably isn't personalized. If your Mailman installation allows personalization, you will have the option to turn it enable it for a list on the Non-digest options page. >>The one subscriber that is on both lists and only receives from the >>small list is on Earthlink. Earthlink says they are not blocking the list. > > If other Earthlink subscribers are receiving the list, then this probably isn't the issue - see below. >>--- >> >>Header: > > >>Dan Phillips wrote: >> > > >>>> Are the lists personalized? If not, messages to the larger list may be >>>> caught by spam filters because they have too many recipients. Check >>>> the ISPs of those not receiving posts and their spam filtering policies. >> >> If a list is personalized, each recipients message is sent in a separate SMTP transaction because its content may be different in some ways from all the other messages. It the list is not personalized, messages are sent to a large number of recipients in one SMTP transaction. However this is only the delivery of the message to the outgoing MTA. What happens next depends on the outgoing MTA, but maybe the message is then sent to all the recipients that are in the same domain (e.g. aol.com or earthlink.net) in a single SMTP transaction with the recipients domain. Dan is suggesting that if this transaction has "too many" recipients, it might be rejected. If this is the reason, all the users who aren't getting the posts would be in the same few domains, each of which contained "too many" affected users. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Easy wrote: >>Mailman had been working find on a 600+ subscriber list. Something >>changed? somewhere? > > If you don't know what changed, how could we? >>Now more than a few people are not getting their email. > > Is delivery enabled for these members? Is there a pattern? E.g. are digest members and only digest members not getting mail? >>Sending directly to a subscriber works fine. > > >From the same machine that Mailman is on? >>On another list with 30 subscribers. One subscriber is on both lists. >>This subscriber receives emails from the 30 subscriber list but not from >>the 600+ subscriber list. >> >>How can this be fixed? >> >>How can this issue be further isolated so it can be resolved? > > If bounce_processing is not on for this list, turn it on. Check the mailman bounce, smtp, smtp-failure and error logs. Check the MTA logs. If you don't have access to these things, get your provider to check them for you. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From aris.santillan at summitmedia.com.ph Tue Dec 14 09:24:07 2004 From: aris.santillan at summitmedia.com.ph (Aris Santillan) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:24:07 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem in mandrake 10 Message-ID: <1D9A8403AC41D6488C9E6897F5317987011292EE@spmail.summitmedia.com.ph> when it try to send a request to the list.... this is what i got as a reply Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: subscribe Sent: 12/14/2004 4:23 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: mailman-request at lists2.summitmedia.com.ph on 12/14/2004 4:13 PM The e-mail system was unable to deliver the message, but did not report a specific reason. Check the address and try again. If it still fails, contact your system administrator. < lists2.summitmedia.com.ph #5.0.0 X-Postfix; Command died with status 2: "/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman". Command output: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mail", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "nogroup". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mail", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'.> From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Dec 14 10:20:23 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:20:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not All Subscribers Receiving Daily Email In-Reply-To: <41BE9C39.20402@waterplanet.ws> References: <41BE9C39.20402@waterplanet.ws> Message-ID: At 11:54 PM -0800 2004-12-13, Easy wrote: > Mailman is part of a CPanel system. The cPanel folks have requested that all support issues regarding cPanel be directed to them. Please see . > Some Earthlink and some AOL subscribers are not receiving their > messages others are receiving them fine. Both Earthlink and AOL could easily be dropping the messages for some recipients, without telling you or the recipient. Both Earthlink and AOL could be implementing anti-spam policies that no one will or can tell you about, because you might be speaking to well-meaning but ignorant people at the service(s) in question. Both Earthlink and AOL tend to have less net-savvy customers who will occasionally click on the wrong button and "report as spam" a legitimate message, or not remember how to unsubscribe themselves and use the "report as spam" button instead. There's not much you can do about this general class of problem. Please see . > There does NOT seem to be a pattern yet to those reporting not receiving > the daily message. They're using AOL and Earthlink, that seems to be a pattern to me. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From egd at us.ibm.com Tue Dec 14 10:48:41 2004 From: egd at us.ibm.com (Elizabeth Dunnagan) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:48:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Elizabeth Dunnagan/Raleigh/IBM cannot get to her mail. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 12/14/2004 and will not return until 01/11/2005. I'll get back with you when I return. If you have an emergency and need to talk to someone before I return, please contact one of the following people: Peter Yim (919-543-4797) for push (after Jan 3), Kimberly Brantley (919-486-2507) for search (including push until Jan 3) and IA, and Jack Pizzolato (919-254-7116) for design. I'll respond to your note as soon as I return. Happy holidays!! Thanks. From amado.alves at netcabo.pt Tue Dec 14 12:43:00 2004 From: amado.alves at netcabo.pt (Marius Amado Alves) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:43:00 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit options security flaw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41BED1C4.4000504@netcabo.pt> Mark Sapiro wrote: > Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > > >>Marius Amado Alves wrote: >> >> >>>Sometimes version 2.1.5 lets a user A edit the options of another user B >>>as follows. >>> >>>User A consults the member list (using his name and password normally). >>>Here A picks an email address of user B. User A returns to the main >>>page, enters address of B in the Edit options slot and presses Edit >>>options. Normally Mailman requires a password, but sometimes IT DOES NOT >>>and goes straight to the editable options list page. >>> >>>I'd like to know if somebody else has experienced this behavior. >> >>Isn't the user A also the owner of the list ? No. Long answer: they might be the same person in the world outside Mailman. But they have different email addresses to Mailman. Mailman should not be able to make the association. >>If he have logged in at the admin page and go to options page of any >>member of the list, then the password input is passed. Go to the admin >>page and click the Logout link. Then try again for user B. > > As Tokio points out, if user A logged in with the list password rather > than user A's personal password, this explains the behavior and is not > a problem since someone who knows the list password is allowed to > visit any options page. > > Even if user A provided her/his personal password when visiting the > roster, if he/she had previously logged in with the list password > during that session and not logged out, the list admin login cookie > will still be in the browser enabling visits to other users options > without their passwords. Damn cookies! > Other than this, I am unable to duplicate this problem in any way that > might be a security breach. I have tried both the scenario that Marius > gives and also, just clicking user B's address in the roster which is > processed the same way. The only times I can successfuly reach user > B's options page without a password are those times when I have > previously logged in with the list password and not logged out or > closed the browser in between. That must be it. I hope it is! (Damn cookies!) Thanks a lot. From jdennis at redhat.com Tue Dec 14 18:18:44 2004 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:18:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman file and directory permissions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1103044724.15627.40.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-12-13 at 19:05, Matt Ruzicka wrote: > My company is running and testing Mailman to replace majordomo (finally) > in a FreeBSD environment. From the README.BSD file I see that it is > possible to io install without turning on the setgid bit on directories. > However, even with a 'make DIRSETGID=: install' a number of executable > files are installed with the setgid bit. The fact that these same files, > as well as pretty much everything else in the mailman directory, are set > to allow world read and execute makes us very nervous, especially since > this is a shared environment. Are we missing something or is this not a > recipe for anyone being able to run these commands? > > I realize that most things are password protected as well and it appears > only the cgi-files are setgid, but we were toying with this idea and were > wondering how bad of an idea it is. > > chmod -R go-rwxs /u/mailman > chmod 4550 /u/mailman/cgi-bin/* > chown -R mailman:webgroup /u/mailman/cgi-bin > chmod 750 /u/mailman/cgi-bin > chmod 644 /u/mailman/data/* > chmod 711 /u/mailman > chmod 711 /u/mailman/data/ > > > We also did this, but are not sure they are necessary: > > chmod 711 /u/mailman/mail > chmod 711 /u/mailman/mail/mailman > > We figure we would rather have the web server running these scripts as > mailman instead of allowing anyone to execute all of these scripts. > > After we made these changes in the test environment everything seems to be > functioning normal from the outside perspective. > > If this is a horrible idea, why? And if this is highly discouraged, has > anyone else done anything to limit permissions further from the default > install to disallow prying eyes and curios fingers? The reason why DIRSETGID is different on BSD is because of "directory inheritance" of the setuid and setgid bits, this is explained here: http://www.linuxpowered.com/html/editorials/file.html A few months back I went over the installation process with a fine tooth comb and noted some parts of the installation relied on this inheritance property which is system specific. I cleaned some of this up to make it explicit and system agnostic, although the patch was sent to the developers list I didn't add it to the SourceForge patch area which I need to do so its in the official queue. I doubt you will run into problems with the world execute bit set, Mailman's security is group based. This is the point of having those executables be setgid. I believe you will discover all the executables you are concerned about check the group (src/common.c) of the user executing them. If it the group is not valid (a build time option) then the executable exits with a fatal error, otherwise the command runs with an effective group id (hence the setgid bit) of mailman (or whatever it was defined to be a configure/build time). Thus only defined groups are allowed to execute the command and when it executes its only executes as group mailman. -- John Dennis From jdennis at redhat.com Tue Dec 14 18:44:31 2004 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:44:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: mailmanctl -s -q start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1103046271.15627.66.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-12-13 at 21:14, Roger Tsang wrote: > I'm running mm-2.1.5 install from source with Python-2.3.3 on Fedora Core > (kernel-2.4) and getting the following error when starting mailman from the > provided init.d script. > > # service mailman start > and it runs mailmanctl -s -q start > > I keep on getting the same error messages. Mailman is installed on a ext3 > partition. What does the trace mean? Bad filesystem? Anybody seen it? I assume you're not running FC3 since that is a 2.6 kernel and hence you're not running afoul of SELinux security. It's a little hard to tell from the traceback what is failing but a reasonable assumption is you've got configuration problems or possibly permission related to the lock file and/or directory. Did you run bin/check_perms to verify your installation? In general, if at all possible, one should install the packages provided by distributions rather than building from source, that eliminates many common pitfalls and headaches (especially those related to system services) because the distribution has already sorted these issues out and crafted an installation tailored to the distribution. -- John Dennis From Easy1 at waterplanet.ws Tue Dec 14 19:07:37 2004 From: Easy1 at waterplanet.ws (Easy) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:07:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to 'export' mailman subscriber list Message-ID: <41BF2BE9.9060603@waterplanet.ws> How can the full list of subscribers be exported? I will use the list of subscribers to set up a new mailman listserv - in hopes a new setup will resolve the issue of not all subscribers receiving the daily email. From haack at nclack.k12.or.us Tue Dec 14 19:20:58 2004 From: haack at nclack.k12.or.us (Robert Haack) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:20:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to 'export' mailman subscriber list In-Reply-To: <41BF2BE9.9060603@waterplanet.ws> References: <41BF2BE9.9060603@waterplanet.ws> Message-ID: <41BF2F0A.3040100@nclack.k12.or.us> If you just want a simple export of user email addresses try the following: /var/mailman/bin/list_members YourListName > YourListName.txt Robert Haack Programmer Analyst North Clackamas School District #12 haack at nclack.k12.or.us Easy wrote: > How can the full list of subscribers be exported? > > I will use the list of subscribers to set up a new mailman listserv - > in hopes a new setup will resolve the issue of not all subscribers > receiving the daily email. > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > From Easy1 at waterplanet.ws Tue Dec 14 19:20:44 2004 From: Easy1 at waterplanet.ws (Easy) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:20:44 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not All Subscribers Receiving Daily Email In-Reply-To: <41BE9C39.20402@waterplanet.ws> References: <41BE9C39.20402@waterplanet.ws> Message-ID: <41BF2EFC.7030007@waterplanet.ws> Thanks again for ideas on how to resolve newsletter email not getting to all mailman listserv subscribers. If it was only Earthlink and AOL there would be a pattern. There are numerous other ISPs not getting the email sent and some, on all the ISPs, seem to be receiving the emails. This does NOT seem to be the case of an ISP rejecting ALL of these emails sent to their subscribers. I've put some of the subscribers on a public Topica listserv and all these folks seem to be receiving the email just fine. I'll send the following summary to CPanel also. Hopefully this is a more comprehensive description of the issue of Not All Scribers Receiving Daily Email - The mailman list has some 600+ subscribers - This mailman is part of the CPanel package - This is a daily (M-F) listserv newsletter. The daily newsletter is only sent out by the moderator. - The list is fairly stable in size with the usual unsubscriptions and subscriptions, a slight increase each month. - Mailman had been running fine for months, until Aug/Sep when subscribers started sending messages saying the daily email was not arriving. - Subscribers NOT receiving their email seem to be consistently the same subscribers. They are from many and varied ISPs including AOL and Earthlink. - NOT ALL subscribers of any of the ISPs are being rejected. Many subscribers on ALL the ISPs are receiving the daily email just fine. - Some 250 of the subscribers are now on a Topica listserv. They ALL receive the daily email each day. When the same message is sent to the mailman listserv some of these 250 subscribers do NOT receive the email. - Emails sent directly to the subscribers, from the same email address that is used to send to the mailman listserv get through just fine, though email sent through mailman does not get to them. Help is much appreciated. Thank you, Easy Spokane === Brad Knowles wrote: > Mailman is part of a CPanel system. The cPanel folks have requested that all support issues regarding cPanel be directed to them. Please see . > Some Earthlink and some AOL subscribers are not receiving their > messages others are receiving them fine. Both Earthlink and AOL could easily be dropping the messages for some recipients, without telling you or the recipient. Both Earthlink and AOL could be implementing anti-spam policies that no one will or can tell you about, because you might be speaking to well-meaning but ignorant people at the service(s) in question. Both Earthlink and AOL tend to have less net-savvy customers who will occasionally click on the wrong button and "report as spam" a legitimate message, or not remember how to unsubscribe themselves and use the "report as spam" button instead. There's not much you can do about this general class of problem. Please see . > There does NOT seem to be a pattern yet to those reporting not receiving > the daily message. They're using AOL and Earthlink, that seems to be a pattern to me. Easy wrote: > Thanks for the help, it is appreciated. Here are comments on the > comments below: > > Mailman is part of a CPanel system. > > I don't see a personalize option in the Non-digest options page. Just > 3 - receive mail immediately, header, footer. > > Some Earthlink and some AOL subscribers are not receiving their > messages others are receiving them fine. > > There does NOT seem to be a pattern yet to those reporting not > receiving the daily message. > > The statement that the list was working fine was intended to mean that > the list had been up for months, with people subscribing and > unsubscribing etc without any glitches - a 'stable' list of about 630 > subscribers. Then missing emails started being reported around > September. Perhaps someone else experienced something similar??? And > found a solution???????? > > This is a newsletter of one email per day. Few if anyone receives a > digest. When i notice someone with digest set it is turned off. > > I'm not sure if mailman is on the same machine. I send to mailman and > directly from the same email address. On those that do not receive the > daily message - sending a direct message to them works fine. > > Bounce-processing is NOW fully turned on. I'll ask the IP provider for > the error logs. > If bounce_processing is not on for this list, turn it on. Check the > mailman bounce, smtp, smtp-failure and error logs. Check the MTA logs. > If you don't have access to these things, get your provider to check > them for you. > === > > > > > > Easy wrote: > > >>> What is meant by a 'personalized' list. (See the header below for a >>> message that was received.) >> >> >> > > If you don't know, then your list probably isn't personalized. If your > Mailman installation allows personalization, you will have the option > to turn it enable it for a list on the Non-digest options page. > > >>> The one subscriber that is on both lists and only receives from the >>> small list is on Earthlink. Earthlink says they are not blocking the >>> list. >> >> >> > > If other Earthlink subscribers are receiving the list, then this > probably isn't the issue - see below. > > > >>> --- >>> >>> Header: >> >> >> > > >>> Dan Phillips wrote: >>> >> >> >>>>> Are the lists personalized? If not, messages to the larger list >>>>> may be caught by spam filters because they have too many >>>>> recipients. Check the ISPs of those not receiving posts and their >>>>> spam filtering policies. >>>> >>> >> > > > If a list is personalized, each recipients message is sent in a > separate SMTP transaction because its content may be different in some > ways from all the other messages. > > It the list is not personalized, messages are sent to a large number of > recipients in one SMTP transaction. However this is only the delivery > of the message to the outgoing MTA. What happens next depends on the > outgoing MTA, but maybe the message is then sent to all the recipients > that are in the same domain (e.g. aol.com or earthlink.net) in a > single SMTP transaction with the recipients domain. Dan is suggesting > that if this transaction has "too many" recipients, it might be > rejected. If this is the reason, all the users who aren't getting the > posts would be in the same few domains, each of which contained "too > many" affected users. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > Easy wrote: > > >>> Mailman had been working find on a 600+ subscriber list. Something >>> changed? somewhere? >> >> >> > > > If you don't know what changed, how could we? > > > >>> Now more than a few people are not getting their email. >> >> >> > > > Is delivery enabled for these members? Is there a pattern? E.g. are > digest members and only digest members not getting mail? > > > >>> Sending directly to a subscriber works fine. >> >> >> > > >> From the same machine that Mailman is on? > > > > >>> On another list with 30 subscribers. One subscriber is on both >>> lists. This subscriber receives emails from the 30 subscriber list >>> but not from the 600+ subscriber list. >>> >>> How can this be fixed? >>> >>> How can this issue be further isolated so it can be resolved? >> >> >> > > > If bounce_processing is not on for this list, turn it on. Check the > mailman bounce, smtp, smtp-failure and error logs. Check the MTA logs. > If you don't have access to these things, get your provider to check > them for you. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 14 19:26:57 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:26:57 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to 'export' mailman subscriber list In-Reply-To: <41BF2BE9.9060603@waterplanet.ws> Message-ID: Easy wrote: >How can the full list of subscribers be exported? See for example http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg28293.html -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 14 20:01:44 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:01:44 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to 'export' mailman subscriber list In-Reply-To: <41BF2BE9.9060603@waterplanet.ws> Message-ID: Easy wrote: > >I will use the list of subscribers to set up a new mailman listserv - in >hopes a new setup will resolve the issue of not all subscribers >receiving the daily email. It is very unlikely that this will fix your problem since, based on your descriptions, it doesn't seem likely that this is a list settings or subscriber settings issue. You write in another thread: >If it was only Earthlink and AOL there would be a pattern. There are >numerous other ISPs not getting the email sent and some, on all the >ISPs, seem to be receiving the emails. This does NOT seem to be the case >of an ISP rejecting ALL of these emails sent to their subscribers. If it is the case that all subscribers not receiving mail are in a domain (ISP) with a large (whatever that is) number of other subscribers, it is quite possible that the outgoing MTA is delivering the message to these domains in a few transactions and the transaction(s) with the larger number of recipients is/are not being accepted. As an example (this is total conjecture just to illustrate my point) suppose there are 30 aol.com subscribers and the outgoing MTA delivers the message to aol in two transactions, one with 20 recipients and one with 10 recipients and aol has a rule that any message with more that 15 recipients is spam and is discarded. If this were the case, 10 aol subscribers would receive the mail and 20 would not. If this is the reason, the only way to address this within Mailman is to have mailman deliver the message to the outgoing MTA in transactions containing fewer than 15 (or whatever small number works) recipients. It would be much better to address this in the MTA, but in Mailman one way to do this would be to set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 15 in mm_cfg.py. I have no idea how this translates to cPanel. This would increase the impact of delivery since mail to 600+ recipients would now be sent in 40+ transactions instead of 2 with the default SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500, but it would insure that the outgoing MTA never delivered to more that 15 recipients in one transaction. A much better way to deal with this is to work with your provider to examine the Mailman logs and the MTA logs and figure out whether posts are being sent by Mailman to the outgoing MTA for all 600+ subscribers, what the MTA is doing to deliver the posts to the recipient domains, whether errors are occurring in that delivery, ... -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 14 20:43:38 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:43:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem in mandrake 10 In-Reply-To: <1D9A8403AC41D6488C9E6897F5317987011292EE@spmail.summitmedia.com.ph> Message-ID: Aris Santillan wrote: > >when it try to send a request to the list.... this is what i got as a reply > >Command output: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail >wrapper script to be executed as group "mail", but the system's mail >server executed the mail script as group "nogroup". >Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mail", >or re-run configure, providing the command line option > `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'. What more can we tell you? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 14 21:48:22 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:48:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Lists In-Reply-To: <20041214022951.027E05B40F2@intruder.com.mx> Message-ID: Anton Krall wrote: >Sorry for the typo, I am using version 2.1.4 not 1.4 and >Im still using mailman 1.4 and I was wondering, what are the steps needed >for updating to the latest version? Download and extract the 2.1.5 tarball and read the UPGRADING FROM PREVIOUS VERSIONS and UPGRADING FROM 2.1.4 to 2.1.5 sections of the UPGRADING document. Also see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.038.htp >Also, can the latest version support virtual lists? I compiled mailman with >--with-mailhost and --with-urlhost but I dont want to have to create a new >mailman installation for every site or website that I want to offer lists >to... Any ideas for a workaround? Mailman supports virtual hosts with the caveat that as distributed it does not support two lists with the same name in different domains. There are patches to work around this if it is a problem. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.047.htp -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From djfreak at beathustler.com Tue Dec 14 22:09:01 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:09:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to 'export' mailman subscriber list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60EF3997-4E14-11D9-98CC-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> This is a very important thread here. I just sent 1200 emails and none of my hotmail subscribers seem to have gotten their emails and I think this is exactly why. So does anyone know how to address max mails per transaction in Postfix? I'm going to go and add this question on that list. Thanks Mark -evan On Dec 14, 2004, at 11:01 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Easy wrote: >> >> I will use the list of subscribers to set up a new mailman listserv - >> in >> hopes a new setup will resolve the issue of not all subscribers >> receiving the daily email. > > It is very unlikely that this will fix your problem since, based on > your descriptions, it doesn't seem likely that this is a list settings > or subscriber settings issue. > > You write in another thread: > >> If it was only Earthlink and AOL there would be a pattern. There are >> numerous other ISPs not getting the email sent and some, on all the >> ISPs, seem to be receiving the emails. This does NOT seem to be the >> case >> of an ISP rejecting ALL of these emails sent to their subscribers. > > If it is the case that all subscribers not receiving mail are in a > domain (ISP) with a large (whatever that is) number of other > subscribers, it is quite possible that the outgoing MTA is delivering > the message to these domains in a few transactions and the > transaction(s) with the larger number of recipients is/are not being > accepted. > > As an example (this is total conjecture just to illustrate my point) > suppose there are 30 aol.com subscribers and the outgoing MTA delivers > the message to aol in two transactions, one with 20 recipients and one > with 10 recipients and aol has a rule that any message with more that > 15 recipients is spam and is discarded. If this were the case, 10 aol > subscribers would receive the mail and 20 would not. > > If this is the reason, the only way to address this within Mailman is > to have mailman deliver the message to the outgoing MTA in > transactions containing fewer than 15 (or whatever small number works) > recipients. It would be much better to address this in the MTA, but in > Mailman one way to do this would be to set > > SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 15 > > in mm_cfg.py. I have no idea how this translates to cPanel. This would > increase the impact of delivery since mail to 600+ recipients would > now be sent in 40+ transactions instead of 2 with the default > SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500, but it would insure that the outgoing MTA never > delivered to more that 15 recipients in one transaction. > > A much better way to deal with this is to work with your provider to > examine the Mailman logs and the MTA logs and figure out whether posts > are being sent by Mailman to the outgoing MTA for all 600+ > subscribers, what the MTA is doing to deliver the posts to the > recipient domains, whether errors are occurring in that delivery, ... > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > From e_studios1 at bellsouth.net Tue Dec 14 22:36:00 2004 From: e_studios1 at bellsouth.net (Enrique Vega) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:36:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regexp topics Message-ID: <25F289C4-4E18-11D9-AAEC-000393A6BC22@bellsouth.net> I'm new to using mailman and have to say that I am very impressed with all the functions available. However, I have a question that I have not been able to find an answer to in the archives. How do you add multiple keywords to the Topics Section? I read the simple instruction "Topic keywords, one per line, to match against each message." However, when I do this, the topic does not work at all. If I leave it as one word per topic, it works. Is there a regexp expression I should be using instead? I'm using Mailman version 2.1.5 with the htdig and MHonarc patches found at: http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/index.html enrique From skopel at english.fsu.edu Tue Dec 14 22:48:13 2004 From: skopel at english.fsu.edu (Scott Kopel) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:48:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrated web server? Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20041214164508.03177d40@englishmail.fsu.edu> Do the web based subscribe and un-subscribe and searchable archive features have to sit on the same server as the mail server (sendmail)? In other words I don't have Apache installed on my email server. How hard is it to separate the two and use Mailman? Scott Kopel English Department - FSU 850 644 6177 From Steven.Jones at vuw.ac.nz Tue Dec 14 22:53:31 2004 From: Steven.Jones at vuw.ac.nz (Steven Jones) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:53:31 +1300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrated web server? Message-ID: <06E2E60FB9C6EF409EFE472A8F4A82EB01280842@coso.staff.vuw.ac.nz> The question would be, why would you wish to do this? Though in effect this is what I do, except I have 3 sendmail instances on three servers. I have an incoming smtp server, an outgoing smtp server and a list server, all run sendmail (actually the first 2 servers are clustered but lets not go there). The incoming smtp server re-routes email of the form list at lists.example.com to the lists server, otherwise the mail user at example.com gets sent to the exchange server. Outgoing lists are directed to the outgoing smtp server using the smarthost feature in sendmail and the mailertable feature to direct any internal email from a list to the exchnage server to save passing through the in/out smtp servers. The lists server runs apache and is exposed to the Internet allowing web subscription. regards Steven aka thing -----Original Message----- From: Scott Kopel [mailto:skopel at english.fsu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2004 10:48 a.m. To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrated web server? Do the web based subscribe and un-subscribe and searchable archive features have to sit on the same server as the mail server (sendmail)? In other words I don't have Apache installed on my email server. How hard is it to separate the two and use Mailman? Scott Kopel English Department - FSU 850 644 6177 ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From chris.a.adams at state.or.us Tue Dec 14 23:09:20 2004 From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:09:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] global change of forward_auto_discards using withlist Message-ID: <41BF6490.3070107@state.or.us> I would like to change all mly 500+ lists so that the forward_auto_discards is set to 'No'. I assume that the best way to do this is utilizing the 'withlist' utility. I have only used this utility to change the URL for my lists. Has anyone done this and could you give me some tips? -- Christopher Adams From tech at khouse.org Tue Dec 14 23:19:22 2004 From: tech at khouse.org (Russell Mann) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:19:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preline fatal failure - broken pipe In-Reply-To: <73F1C056-4D73-11D9-B3C3-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> Message-ID: <20041214221916.D3C531E4002@bag.python.org> > > : > > [...] > > Qmail patched like a madman. > > Vpopmail > > The lists.* domains have a .qmail-default with: > > [...] > > Qmail-to-mailman.py is the Bruce Perens script. > > It looks like you are running with VERP bounce processing > enabled, but > with a script/configuration that doesn't understand it. You could > disable Mailman's use of VERP in your mm_cfg.py or use a > method that passes the VERP info on (try the qmail > VERP-enabled delivery handler in the Mailman SourceForge > tracker, or use aliases, or a different MTA :-). > -- > Jim Tittsler Thanks Jim. I'm currently using the VERH .06 patch to qmail 1.03 written by Frederik Lindberg. Is there another VERP patch I should be aware of for Qmail to be able to handle Mailman's VERPs? Thanks, Russell From msapiro at value.net Wed Dec 15 00:34:32 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:34:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regexp topics In-Reply-To: <25F289C4-4E18-11D9-AAEC-000393A6BC22@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Enrique Vega wrote: > >How do you add multiple keywords to the Topics Section? I read the >simple instruction "Topic keywords, one per line, to match against each >message." However, when I do this, the topic does not work at all. If I >leave it as one word per topic, it works. > >Is there a regexp expression I should be using instead? Yes. I don't know what the "Topic keywords, one per line, to match against each message." phrase is intended to mean, but here's what's going on. The Regexp: box for the topic contains a single regular expression which is compiled by re.compile() with the re.IGNORECASE and re.VERBOSE flags. This means that both case and whitespace including newlines will be ignored. In other words, if you put one two three into the Regexp: box, this becomes 'onetwothree' and will only match that exact string or one which is identical except for case. If you wanted that topic to be a Subject: or Keywords: containing any one of the words 'one', 'two' or 'three', you need to use the regular expression 'one|two|three' which you could create for example by putting one| two| three into the box or equivilantly one |two |three or just one|two|three Of course you could use a more elaborate regexp as well depending on what you want, but however you enter it, it is just one regexp and the newlines and other whitespace are ignored unless escaped or inside character classes. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jwblist at olympus.net Wed Dec 15 01:01:09 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:01:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not All Subscribers Receiving Daily Email In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/14/2004 1:20, "Brad Knowles" wrote: > Both > Earthlink and AOL tend to have less net-savvy customers who will > occasionally click on the wrong button and "report as spam" a > legitimate message, or not remember how to unsubscribe themselves and > use the "report as spam" button instead. Or subscribe to a list on Wednesday, and report the list's Welcome message as Spam on the following Sunday. (We had one of those last week.) ;-) --John From nicku at nicku.org Wed Dec 15 01:18:49 2004 From: nicku at nicku.org (Nick Urbanik) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:18:49 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How Change "English (USA)" to "English"? In-Reply-To: <41BF6490.3070107@state.or.us> References: <41BF6490.3070107@state.or.us> Message-ID: <20041215001849.GB23427@nicku.org> Dear Folks, In the mailing list subscription page, we see: Which language do you prefer to display your messages? English (USA) I do not know how to change this. It is not appropriate here in Australia. How do we change this? On the languages administrative page, the only English option is "English (USA)". There are about 26 other non-English languages listed there. mailman-2.1.5-26 on FC3. $ echo $LANG en_AU.UTF-8 -- Nick Urbanik RHCE http://nicku.org nicku(at)nicku.org Proud ex-member of Dept. of Information & Communications Technology in Hong Kong IVE (Tsing Yi), Home of Visual Paradigm: Jolt Productivity Award winner, programmed by ICT's own graduates! GPG: 7FFA CDC7 5A77 0558 DC7A 790A 16DF EC5B BB9D 2C24 ID: BB9D2C24 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Many recipients will not be aware of any anti-spam processing rules that are being used by the system on their behalf, or how their actions can modify those rules. > - Some 250 of the subscribers are now on a Topica listserv. They ALL > receive the daily email each day. When the same message is sent to the > mailman listserv some of these 250 subscribers do NOT receive the email. This is an indicator that at least part of the problem may somehow lie within Mailman, but since you're using cPanel, it's going to be very difficult to determine where the fault may lie. Of course, if the Topica mailing list is not hosted on the same physical and virtual machine as the Mailman mailing lists, then there is always the chance that anti-spam rules will be host-specific and not applied the same between the two systems. > - Emails sent directly to the subscribers, from the same email address > that is used to send to the mailman listserv get through just fine, > though email sent through mailman does not get to them. Again, these messages are not coming through the same system, and the same anti-spam rules may not be applied by the recipient machines. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From nicku at nicku.org Wed Dec 15 01:08:48 2004 From: nicku at nicku.org (Nick Urbanik) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:08:48 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maximum attachment size limit? Message-ID: <20041215000847.GA23427@nicku.org> Dear Folks, What is the largest attachment size allowed? Can a limit be imposed? I have $ sudo /usr/lib/mailman/bin/config_list -o - mailing-list-name | grep -i max # Maximum length in kilobytes (KB) of a message body. Use 0 for no max_message_size = 40 Does max_message_size limit the size of the entire message, including attachments? -- Nick Urbanik RHCE http://nicku.org nicku(at)nicku.org Proud ex-member of Dept. of Information & Communications Technology in Hong Kong IVE (Tsing Yi), Home of Visual Paradigm: Jolt Productivity Award winner, programmed by ICT's own graduates! GPG: 7FFA CDC7 5A77 0558 DC7A 790A 16DF EC5B BB9D 2C24 ID: BB9D2C24 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20041215/c5f2cd8b/attachment.pgp From msapiro at value.net Wed Dec 15 01:40:11 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:40:11 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How Change "English (USA)" to "English"? In-Reply-To: <20041215001849.GB23427@nicku.org> Message-ID: Nick Urbanik wrote: > >In the mailing list subscription page, we see: > >Which language do you prefer to display your messages? English (USA) > >I do not know how to change this. It is not appropriate here in >Australia. How do we change this? > >On the languages administrative page, the only English option is >"English (USA)". There are about 26 other non-English languages >listed there. > >mailman-2.1.5-26 on FC3. >$ echo $LANG >en_AU.UTF-8 Do you just want to change the name of the language from "English (USA)" to "English" or do you want to create a new translation from US English to Australian English :-) ? Do do the former, you could put add_language('en', 'English', 'us-ascii') or if you prefer add_language('en', 'English', 'utf-8') in mm_cfg.py. To do the latter, see the README-I18N.en document in the mailman distribution and/or http://www.list.org/i18n.html -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Dec 15 01:43:01 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:43:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maximum attachment size limit? In-Reply-To: <20041215000847.GA23427@nicku.org> References: <20041215000847.GA23427@nicku.org> Message-ID: At 11:08 AM +1100 2004-12-15, Nick Urbanik wrote: > What is the largest attachment size allowed? Can a limit be imposed? On the attachment itself? No. > max_message_size = 40 > > Does max_message_size limit the size of the entire message, including > attachments? Yes. This is the only limitation possible. You cannot directly limit the size of the attachment, but you can limit the overall maximum size of the message. This sort of thing can be applied within the MTA as well as within Mailman. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From msapiro at value.net Wed Dec 15 01:45:59 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:45:59 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not All Subscribers Receiving DailyEmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brad Knowles wrote: >At 10:20 AM -0800 2004-12-14, Easy wrote: > >> - Some 250 of the subscribers are now on a Topica listserv. They ALL >> receive the daily email each day. When the same message is sent to the >> mailman listserv some of these 250 subscribers do NOT receive the email. > > This is an indicator that at least part of the problem may >somehow lie within Mailman, but since you're using cPanel, it's going >to be very difficult to determine where the fault may lie. > > Of course, if the Topica mailing list is not hosted on the same >physical and virtual machine as the Mailman mailing lists, then there >is always the chance that anti-spam rules will be host-specific and >not applied the same between the two systems. Also, messages from Topica lists are personalized with "this email was sent to ..." and a one-click unsubscribe link, and thus are never sent to multiple recipients in one SMTP transaction. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Wed Dec 15 01:53:15 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:53:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] global change of forward_auto_discards usingwithlist In-Reply-To: <41BF6490.3070107@state.or.us> Message-ID: Christopher Adams wrote: >I would like to change all mly 500+ lists so that the >forward_auto_discards is set to 'No'. I assume that the best way to do >this is utilizing the 'withlist' utility. I have only used this utility >to change the URL for my lists. > >Has anyone done this and could you give me some tips? See http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-December/041243.html Just change mlist.archive = 0 to mlist.forward_auto_discards = 0 and rename the script appropriately if you want. There's not much that can go wrong, but it's always a good idea to back up your lists/ directory before doing stuff like this. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Dec 15 01:55:25 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:55:25 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not All Subscribers Receiving DailyEmail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 4:45 PM -0800 2004-12-14, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Also, messages from Topica lists are personalized with "this email was > sent to ..." and a one-click unsubscribe link, and thus are never sent > to multiple recipients in one SMTP transaction. In which case, it would be an interesting test to enable personalization on the Mailman lists, and see if that helps solve the problem. Unfortunately, cPanel may make this impossible. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From nicku at nicku.org Wed Dec 15 03:01:43 2004 From: nicku at nicku.org (Nick Urbanik) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:01:43 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How Change "English (USA)" to "English"? In-Reply-To: References: <20041215001849.GB23427@nicku.org> Message-ID: <20041215020143.GA24732@nicku.org> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 04:40:11PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Nick Urbanik wrote: > > > >mailman-2.1.5-26 on FC3. > >$ echo $LANG > >en_AU.UTF-8 > > Do you just want to change the name of the language from "English > (USA)" to "English" or do you want to create a new translation from US > English to Australian English :-) ? Well, I might tackle the latter if the urge takes me! > Do do the former, you could put > > add_language('en', 'English', 'us-ascii') > > or if you prefer > > add_language('en', 'English', 'utf-8') Are there any caveats with using utf-8 instead of us-ascii? > in mm_cfg.py. Thank you. -- Nick Urbanik RHCE http://nicku.org nicku(at)nicku.org Proud ex-member of Dept. of Information & Communications Technology in Hong Kong IVE (Tsing Yi), Home of Visual Paradigm: Jolt Productivity Award winner, programmed by ICT's own graduates! GPG: 7FFA CDC7 5A77 0558 DC7A 790A 16DF EC5B BB9D 2C24 ID: BB9D2C24 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20041215/24984d45/attachment.pgp From Easy1 at waterplanet.ws Wed Dec 15 03:33:04 2004 From: Easy1 at waterplanet.ws (Easy) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:33:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not All Subscribers Receiving Daily Email In-Reply-To: References: <41BE9C39.20402@waterplanet.ws> <41BF2EFC.7030007@waterplanet.ws> Message-ID: <41BFA260.3070200@waterplanet.ws> I added a new mailman list with 4 subscribers. One of the subscribers was the same earthlink address as the 600+ subscriber email list. When a messages was sent to both lists - the earthlink subscriber ONLY received the message from the 4 subscriber list. Seems Mailman is cablable of getting the message out at least on a small list. Any idea what the threshold is? Any other tests that can be done to futher isolate this pesky issue? === Brad Knowles wrote: > At 10:20 AM -0800 2004-12-14, Easy wrote: > >> - NOT ALL subscribers of any of the ISPs are being rejected. Many >> subscribers on ALL the ISPs are receiving the daily email just fine. > > > Many ISPs will apply different anti-spam processing rules for > different recipients. Many recipients will not be aware of any > anti-spam processing rules that are being used by the system on their > behalf, or how their actions can modify those rules. > >> - Some 250 of the subscribers are now on a Topica listserv. They ALL >> receive the daily email each day. When the same message is sent to the >> mailman listserv some of these 250 subscribers do NOT receive the >> email. > > > This is an indicator that at least part of the problem may somehow > lie within Mailman, but since you're using cPanel, it's going to be > very difficult to determine where the fault may lie. > > Of course, if the Topica mailing list is not hosted on the same > physical and virtual machine as the Mailman mailing lists, then there > is always the chance that anti-spam rules will be host-specific and > not applied the same between the two systems. > >> - Emails sent directly to the subscribers, from the same email address >> that is used to send to the mailman listserv get through just fine, >> though email sent through mailman does not get to them. > > > Again, these messages are not coming through the same system, and > the same anti-spam rules may not be applied by the recipient machines. > From msapiro at value.net Wed Dec 15 03:48:28 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:48:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How Change "English (USA)" to "English"? In-Reply-To: <20041215020143.GA24732@nicku.org> Message-ID: Nick Urbanik wrote: > >On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 04:40:11PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> or if you prefer >> >> add_language('en', 'English', 'utf-8') > >Are there any caveats with using utf-8 instead of us-ascii? > Yes. This will set the character set of the web pages to utf-8 instead of us-ascii. This is not likely to be an issue with modern browsers, but ... Also, it will set the character set of list footers and such like to be utf-8 and possibly to be base64 encoded (It will not transliterate the character set of incoming posts). This will exacerbate the issues in http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jwt at onjapan.net Wed Dec 15 05:40:41 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:40:41 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preline fatal failure - broken pipe In-Reply-To: <20041214221916.D3C531E4002@bag.python.org> References: <20041214221916.D3C531E4002@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <41BFC049.3050303@onjapan.net> Russell Mann wrote: >>>Qmail-to-mailman.py is the Bruce Perens script. >> >>It looks like you are running with VERP bounce processing >>enabled, but >>with a script/configuration that doesn't understand it. You could >>disable Mailman's use of VERP in your mm_cfg.py or use a >>method that passes the VERP info on (try the qmail >>VERP-enabled delivery handler in the Mailman SourceForge >>tracker, or use aliases, or a different MTA :-). > > I'm currently using the VERH .06 patch to qmail 1.03 written by Frederik > Lindberg. Is there another VERP patch I should be aware of for Qmail to be > able to handle Mailman's VERPs? I would think the Qmail.py in the bug tracker would be better than qmail-to-mailman.py, but I'd think qmail-to-mailman.py could be adapted to include VERP as well. We moved on from qmail a few years ago, but I'd suggest trying: (meaning, I have no way to test this :-) (and assuming the default VERP_FORMAT, and that you have no lists with '-bounces' in their names) --- qmail-to-mailman-2.1.5.py 2003-02-08 16:13:51.000000000 +0900 +++ qmail-to-mailman.py 2004-12-15 13:36:09.013829456 +0900 @@ -76,7 +76,7 @@ type = "post" types = (("-admin$", "bounces"), - ("-bounces$", "bounces"), + ("-bounces(\+[^=]+=.+)?$", "bounces"), ("-join$", "join"), ("-leave$", "leave"), ("-owner$", "owner"), You may also want to update your qmail-to-mailman.py to include the -subscribe and -unsubscribe suffixes. From djfreak at beathustler.com Wed Dec 15 07:15:36 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:15:36 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] VERP Frustration Message-ID: Hi List I am frustrated to find that both confirmation and invitation emails are getting thrown into my junk mail (and probably into the junk mails of many of my future subscribers) because they contain for example beat-hustler- confirm+d14b13c1019373d8bfd6e09aafb91b541ed4c0c8 at mail.beathustler.com which looks like junk to most email programs. So I understand that Verp must be enabled and set up to hide this garble from the email apps (for confirmations too I hope). Here's what I have done: 1. Added VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes to Defaults.py 2. Added VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes to mm_cfg.py 3. Added default_verp_delimiters = += verp_delimiter_filter = -+= authorized_verp_clients = $mynetworks to /etc/postfix/main.cf Anything scream wrong there? Am I forgetting a step? Restarted mailman and Postfix but still confirmations and invites come in with all that junk in the replies. Thanks for any help. -Evan From djfreak at beathustler.com Wed Dec 15 07:37:15 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:37:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Last Question I promise Message-ID: Where is the HTML for the confirmation page that people get taken to? Thanks. -Evan From aris.santillan at summitmedia.com.ph Wed Dec 15 09:47:21 2004 From: aris.santillan at summitmedia.com.ph (Aris Santillan) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:47:21 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] change domain name Message-ID: <1D9A8403AC41D6488C9E6897F531798701129318@spmail.summitmedia.com.ph> Hi to all what will i do if i change my domain name mail.alpha.net to mailx.alpha.net what are the step in this kind of changes on my Mailman Mailing List Server? Thanks in Advance From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Dec 15 10:39:53 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:39:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not All Subscribers Receiving Daily Email In-Reply-To: <41BFA260.3070200@waterplanet.ws> References: <41BE9C39.20402@waterplanet.ws> <41BF2EFC.7030007@waterplanet.ws> <41BFA260.3070200@waterplanet.ws> Message-ID: At 6:33 PM -0800 2004-12-14, Easy wrote: > Seems Mailman is cablable of getting the message out at least on a small > list. Any idea what the threshold is? That's probably going to be specific to Earthlink, and if we knew a number that worked today, it would probably break tomorrow. Try turning on personalization and enable VERP in your MTA. To read more about this, go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at , search for "VERP", and read all the entries that are returned. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From ginu.george at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 10:47:52 2004 From: ginu.george at gmail.com (Ginu George) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:47:52 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator Access Message-ID: i want to set the moderator password. As the admin i made that. Then the moderators try to login. But authentication failed. When they try to login the admin Interface is coming. Really i want to make an access for my moderators with out interfereing the admin interface. So what i have to do, Help me fast Regards Ginu George -- Regards Ginu George From sean at sweetbourbon.com Wed Dec 15 13:34:18 2004 From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:34:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to 'export' mailman subscriber list Message-ID: >This is a very important thread here. I just sent 1200 emails and none >of my hotmail subscribers seem to have gotten their emails and I think >this is exactly why. > >So does anyone know how to address max mails per transaction in >Postfix? I'm going to go and add this question on that list. > >Thanks Mark > >-evan Hi Evan, Take look at the sample-rate.cf file which should be located in the directory as the main.cf file. The default_destination_recipient_limit parameter is probably what you are looking for here. Although the default_destination_concurrency_limit may need some tweaking if the ISP is just measuring total number of messages coming in. However, Hotmail probably won't divulge such details. They seem to randomly block/discard/cutoff messages from the Mailman on the server I admin. -Sean From sean at sweetbourbon.com Wed Dec 15 13:40:34 2004 From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:40:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] global change of forward_auto_discards using withlist Message-ID: >I would like to change all mly 500+ lists so that the >forward_auto_discards is set to 'No'. I assume that the best way to do >this is utilizing the 'withlist' utility. I have only used this utility >to change the URL for my lists. > >Has anyone done this and could you give me some tips? > >-- >Christopher Adams Run this using withlist with the -a option so it runs it on all 500+ of your lists: # more nonmember_discard.py from Mailman import mm_cfg def nonmember_discard(m): m.forward_auto_discards = False m.Save() m.Unlock() -Sean From matjaz.kljun at pef.upr.si Wed Dec 15 15:52:11 2004 From: matjaz.kljun at pef.upr.si (Matjaz Kljun) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:52:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Grouping mailing lists possible? Message-ID: <41C04F9B.2060905@pef.upr.si> Hi! The number of mailing lists on our website is growing constantly. We were wondering if there is some possibility to classify this lists together in classes/groups/sets. For now we just have additional web page with groups of lists and links to the actual mailing lists. This solution works but it is somehow painful. Thanks for the (+/-) answers. lp mk From macangels at spamcop.net Wed Dec 15 16:12:13 2004 From: macangels at spamcop.net (demo) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:12:13 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 10, Issue 34 In-Reply-To: <20041215020153.2F5E41E400D@bag.python.org> Message-ID: >> Which language do you prefer to display your messages? English (USA) > I do not know how to change this. It is not appropriate here in > Australia. How do we change this? Another interesting geopolitical example of how one nation's foreign policy can impact even upon Open Source project. My sentiments entirely, old boy. Without the need for a straw poll, my guess is that the US developers are probably at least Democrats hiding the fact that Open Source are probably even [ shock and awe ] Socialist and even Internationalist in nature. Perhaps we can avoid re-writing the Python to call it " Freedom English " but " Internet English " - or even " Peace Corp English " might be acceptable. However, even as a historically subjugated Scot with 300 odd years of oppression behind me, my vote would be to strip the USA to call it " English " if it has to be named at all please. There is a serious point behind the humour. All forms of Imperialism from Redmond down are passe. This needs to be addressed! > or do you want to create a new translation from US >> English to Australian English :-) ? > > Well, I might tackle the latter if the urge takes me! Now that is too much of a temptation to let miss. I can imagine a list where; Attachments are called swag and it is not possible to set size limits on them and the FAQs are found in the docos. Subscribers awaiting notification are wags, banned users are wonks and newbies nongs. The MTAs carry the dargs. Digest formats are called yarns, announcement only lists oil and corrupted lists that have gone bung or wog can be found in /var/etc/toot And despite everything, there will be no root access to the Alecs [ admins ], mate. you will have to Google for that one. MA From mikey at swampgas.com Wed Dec 15 16:44:00 2004 From: mikey at swampgas.com (Michael Owings) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:44:00 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Reply-To behavior Message-ID: <41C05BC0.20506@swampgas.com> I've checked for the answer to this one in the archives with no luck thus far; I'm hoping someone here can help. I've just recently installed mailman 2.1.5 (r2) on a GenToo box. Everything works as advertised, except that ALL messages coming from a particular list seem to have my email address either prepended (if I have the list configured so that reply-to is set to the list name), or if the reply-to is configured to be the sender, then ONLY my email address will appear in the Reply-To header. For example, assuming a list called 'somelist' with the reply option set to list, the Reply-To header will be set as follows: Reply-To: , somelist at xxx.com If the reply option is set to 'sender', then Reply-To will always be set as follows: Reply-To: In the latter case, the sender address doesn't get set into Reply-To. I have tried this with a couple of lists, changing the list owner name for each one; the email address that gets set in Reply-To is always MY address, not the list owner address. I'm using mailman with postfix 2.1.5, if that helps. Any ideas would be appreciated, or pointers on what to check. Thanx very much in advance -- Mikey -- Teleoperate a roving mobile robot from the web: http://www.swampgas.com/robotics/rover.html From msapiro at value.net Wed Dec 15 16:55:07 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:55:07 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator Access In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ginu George wrote: >i want to set the moderator password. As the admin i made that. Then >the moderators try to login. But authentication failed. When they try >to login the admin Interface is coming. > >Really i want to make an access for my moderators with out >interfereing the admin interface. So what i have to do, Help me fast The moderator password only allows access to the moderator requests pages (something like http://www.example.com/mailman/admindb/list-name). Access to the admin pages requires the administrator password. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Wed Dec 15 17:02:17 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:02:17 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator Access In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ginu George wrote: >i want to set the moderator password. As the admin i made that. Then >the moderators try to login. But authentication failed. When they try >to login the admin Interface is coming. > >Really i want to make an access for my moderators with out >interfereing the admin interface. So what i have to do, Help me fast My first reply was a little hasty (must have been the "Help me fast") The moderator needs to go to the admindb URL, not the admin URL, i.e something like http://www.example.com/mailman/admindb/list-name not http://www.example.com/mailman/admin/list-name The former URL should be the one included in a post requires moderation notice. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From tehlers at freenet.de Wed Dec 15 17:06:53 2004 From: tehlers at freenet.de (Torsten Ehlers) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:06:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Turn off bouncing for specific users Message-ID: <41C0611D.8050105@freenet.de> Hi, I'm using Mailman 2.1.4 and I'm running a moderated list. On the web interface for reviewing posts before they get published on the list I accidentally selected to bounce all messages from a certain user in the future. But how can I disable this, i.e. let mails from the user go to the list again? I can't find such an option anywhere - and I grepped for that e-mail-address but couldn't find it in Mailman's home directory either... Thank you! Torsten From msapiro at value.net Wed Dec 15 17:34:04 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:34:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Turn off bouncing for specific users In-Reply-To: <41C0611D.8050105@freenet.de> Message-ID: Torsten Ehlers wrote: > >I'm using Mailman 2.1.4 and I'm running a moderated list. On the web >interface for reviewing posts before they get published on the list I >accidentally selected to bounce all messages from a certain user in the >future. But how can I disable this, i.e. let mails from the user go to >the list again? I can't find such an option anywhere - and I grepped for >that e-mail-address but couldn't find it in Mailman's home directory >either... It's Privacy options...->Sender filters->reject_these_nonmembers. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Wed Dec 15 17:37:18 2004 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (Kevin W. Gagel) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:37:18 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to 'export' mailman subscriber list Message-ID: <41c0683e.b1.208.13547@cnc.bc.ca> About six months ago there was a huge thread about rates of email to hotmail on the postfix list. A search in their archives should reveal what your looking for. ----- Original Message Follows ----- From: Sean To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to 'export' mailman subscriber list Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:34:18 -0500 (EST) > >This is a very important thread here. I just sent 1200 > emails and none >of my hotmail subscribers seem to have > gotten their emails and I think >this is exactly why. > > > >So does anyone know how to address max mails per > transaction in >Postfix? I'm going to go and add this > question on that list. > > >Thanks Mark > > > >-evan > > Hi Evan, > > Take look at the sample-rate.cf file which should be > located in the directory as the main.cf file. The > default_destination_recipient_limit parameter is probably > what you are looking for here. Although the > default_destination_concurrency_limit may need some > tweaking if the ISP is just measuring total number of > messages coming in. > > However, Hotmail probably won't divulge such details. > They seem to randomly block/discard/cutoff messages from > the Mailman on the server I admin. > > -Sean > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ ========================= Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator Information Technology Services (250) 561-5848 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From Steven.Jones at vuw.ac.nz Wed Dec 15 18:15:37 2004 From: Steven.Jones at vuw.ac.nz (Steven Jones) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:15:37 +1300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to 'import' Communigate lists to mailman subscriber lists Message-ID: <06E2E60FB9C6EF409EFE472A8F4A82EB01280855@coso.staff.vuw.ac.nz> Has anyone done this? If so how was it done? and did you have any issues? regards Steven From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Dec 15 18:27:17 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:27:17 +0100 Subject: Not All Subscribers Receiving Daily Email (was: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to 'export' mailman subscriber list) In-Reply-To: <41c0683e.b1.208.13547@cnc.bc.ca> References: <41c0683e.b1.208.13547@cnc.bc.ca> Message-ID: At 8:37 AM -0800 2004-12-15, Kevin W. Gagel wrote: > About six months ago there was a huge thread about rates of > email to hotmail on the postfix list. A search in their > archives should reveal what your looking for. Please also take a look at the updated FAQ entry at . If there is anything specific which might be helpful but which has been left out, please let me know. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From djfreak at beathustler.com Wed Dec 15 19:00:48 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:00:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] REPOST Where is the HTML for the confirmation page? Message-ID: <403CA29F-4EC3-11D9-98CC-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Hi list Where is the HTML file that creates the web page that people are taken to when the click on the confirm link in the email they receive after signing up? Thanks. -evan From bruce at bpd.net Wed Dec 15 20:21:36 2004 From: bruce at bpd.net (Bruce N. Audie) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:21:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator Access In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00ec01c4e2db$4c60bd20$6501017d@biddefordpd.local> Does the moderator get the same e-mail notification as the administrator, i.e., "You have one pending request that requires your attention...., etc.?" Bruce N. Audie -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 11:02 AM To: Ginu George; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderator Access Ginu George wrote: >i want to set the moderator password. As the admin i made that. Then >the moderators try to login. But authentication failed. When they try >to login the admin Interface is coming. > >Really i want to make an access for my moderators with out >interfereing the admin interface. So what i have to do, Help me fast My first reply was a little hasty (must have been the "Help me fast") The moderator needs to go to the admindb URL, not the admin URL, i.e something like http://www.example.com/mailman/admindb/list-name not http://www.example.com/mailman/admin/list-name The former URL should be the one included in a post requires moderation notice. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From ACrosman at afsc.org Wed Dec 15 20:29:03 2004 From: ACrosman at afsc.org (Aaron Crosman) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:29:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailmaning only generating messages to some members Message-ID: I'm running Mailman 2.1.4 on a Suse 9.1 machine. For a couple months everything has been mostly fine. About 2 weeks ago I setup a list for my bosses boss, I wasn't worried since she only needed (very) a small list and we have 4000+ member list that works fine. As one would expect her list, of course, now has problems. Yesterday she sent a message to the list (first posting), and mailman only generated 3 outgoing messages (for a list with 7 members). I have looked through the mailman and exim logs, and I can't find a single error message related to that message. Everything I find implies that nothing went wrong, except only 3 messages were generated. All three people have said they got message, and the other 4 did not. The message is in the archives. There are no bounce records. All members on the list were subscribed in mass on 5 days earilier (and therefore have the same settings). I ran the mailman permission and database checking tools, they didn't find any problems. The only thing I can find that's unusal at all is that the moderator is not a member on the list. I must be missing something. As you can imagine I'm under a little pressure, so any hints or guidence would be much appreicated. Aaron >From the exim main.log (the email addresses were changed to protect my personal interests ;) ) 2004-12-13 12:39:15 1CduAF-0003t3-Ij <= boss at afsc.org H=mail.afsc.org [198.70.42.3] P=esmtp S=15565 id=9CEADEA3D3938D49BB803BD7C59CD0E83DB55D at DELTA.AFSC.local 2004-12-13 12:39:15 1CduAF-0003t3-Ij => Listname R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport 2004-12-13 12:39:15 1CduAF-0003t3-Ij Completed 2004-12-13 12:39:17 1CduAH-0003t8-2N <= listname-bounces at list.afsc.org H=localhost (list.afsc.org) [127.0.0.1] P=esmtp S=17215 id=9CEADEA3D3938D49BB803BD7C59CD0E83DB55D at DELTA.AFSC.local 2004-12-13 12:39:17 1CduAH-0003t8-5U <= listname-bounces at list.afsc.org H=localhost (list.afsc.org) [127.0.0.1] P=esmtp S=17206 id=9CEADEA3D3938D49BB803BD7C59CD0E83DB55D at DELTA.AFSC.local 2004-12-13 12:39:17 1CduAH-0003t8-8K <= listname-bounces at list.afsc.org H=localhost (list.afsc.org) [127.0.0.1] P=esmtp S=17207 id=9CEADEA3D3938D49BB803BD7C59CD0E83DB55D at DELTA.AFSC.local 2004-12-13 12:39:19 1CduAH-0003t8-2N => recipent1 at outside.address.com R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=smtpgateway.co.marin.ca.us [199.88.77.98] 2004-12-13 12:39:19 1CduAH-0003t8-2N Completed 2004-12-13 12:39:22 1CduAH-0003t8-5U => boss at afsc.org R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=mail.afsc.org [198.70.42.3] 2004-12-13 12:39:22 1CduAH-0003t8-5U Completed 2004-12-13 12:39:23 1CduAH-0003t8-8K => user at aol.com R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=mailin-02.mx.aol.com [205.188.156.249] 2004-12-13 12:39:23 1CduAH-0003t8-8K Completed >From the mailman post log: Dec 13 12:39:17 2004 (2487) post to listname from boss at afsc.org, size=17033, message-id=<9CEADEA3D3938D49BB803BD7C59CD0E83DB55D at DELTA.AFSC.local>, success From tech at khouse.org Wed Dec 15 20:32:34 2004 From: tech at khouse.org (Russell Mann) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:32:34 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preline fatal failure - broken pipe In-Reply-To: <41BFC049.3050303@onjapan.net> Message-ID: <20041215193231.4C0821E4007@bag.python.org> > I would think the Qmail.py in the bug tracker would be better > than qmail-to-mailman.py, but I'd think qmail-to-mailman.py > could be adapted to include VERP as well. We moved on from > qmail a few years ago, but I'd suggest trying: (meaning, I > have no way to test this :-) (and assuming the default > VERP_FORMAT, and that you have no lists with '-bounces' in > their names) > > --- qmail-to-mailman-2.1.5.py 2003-02-08 16:13:51.000000000 +0900 > +++ qmail-to-mailman.py 2004-12-15 13:36:09.013829456 +0900 > @@ -76,7 +76,7 @@ > > type = "post" > types = (("-admin$", "bounces"), > - ("-bounces$", "bounces"), > + ("-bounces(\+[^=]+=.+)?$", "bounces"), > ("-join$", "join"), > ("-leave$", "leave"), > ("-owner$", "owner"), > > You may also want to update your qmail-to-mailman.py to > include the -subscribe and -unsubscribe suffixes. I'll try the path of least resistance first. How do I include -subscribe and -unsubscribe suffixes? Thanks, Russell From yd at media-c.de Wed Dec 15 22:20:47 2004 From: yd at media-c.de (Yassen Damyanov) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:20:47 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set up a READ-ONLY list? Message-ID: <200412152320.47051.yd@media-c.de> Hi all, I need to urgently setup a Mailman read-only mailing list. It appears to be not-so-obvious a task (my first contact with Mailman). Could anyone send me directions and/or documents to read? Thanks in advance! Yassen P.S. This is an example of how the mailman-announce-owner at python.org list reacts to posts of subscribed users. I need exactly this behavior: > This is an announcement-only mailing list. ?Only the Mailman > developers are allowed to post announcements to this list. ?Your > message has been automatically rejected by the Mailman system. > > If you think this rejection is in error, or if you have a legitimate > announcement that you think the Mailman community would be interested > in, please contact the list admins at > mailman-announce-owner at python.org From yd at media-c.de Thu Dec 16 01:04:05 2004 From: yd at media-c.de (Yassen Damyanov) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 02:04:05 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SOLVED: How to set up a READ-ONLY list? In-Reply-To: References: <200412152320.47051.yd@media-c.de> Message-ID: <200412160204.05374.yd@media-c.de> On Thursday 16 December 2004 01:27, you wrote: > Sorry Yassen > > You need help more than I. What platform are you on? > > -evan Dan: thanks for the link with that really nice guide! > See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp Evan: thanks for caring! I just followed that guide and I have it all up and running -- my read-only, one-way mailing list! > What platform are you on? Gentoo Linux box, postfix 2.1 + amavisd-new + SpamAssassin + Mailman 2.5.1. I am sorry that I cannot be of much use regarding the issues you sent in your direct mail to me. I quote them here for attracting attention of people who can help, although it seems more appropriate to open a new thread (which I recommend to you). I _do wish you_ to get that all running fine. Yassen ---------- Original Message ---------- Subject: Re: Have you got postfix and mailman work together? Date: Thursday 16 December 2004 01:11 From: DJ Freak To: Yassen Damyanov Hi Yassen Thank you very much for asking. Yes I have gotten Postfix and Mailman working together. However, I have two very stubborn problems which I'm still trying to work out. 1. I am unable to edit the HTML page that users are taken to when they hit the confirm link in their confirmation email. It's NOT subscribe.html and I cannot find a file called confirm.html anywhere. There must be a script somewhere compiling the HTML but I cannot find it. 2. Confirmation and invitation mails are getting junked by my recipients becuase confirm djafdjkdas;jfdkljdfsakl;7847474477 is considered junk by many email programs so I have Begin paste here-> >> Here's what I have done: >> >> 1. Added >> >> VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes >> >> to Defaults.py >> >> 2. Added >> >> VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes >> >> to mm_cfg.py >> >> 3. Added >> >> default_verp_delimiters = += >> verp_delimiter_filter = -+= >> authorized_verp_clients = $mynetworks >> >> to /etc/postfix/main.cf >> >> >> Anything scream wrong there? Am I forgetting a step? Restarted >> mailman and Postfix but still confirmations and invites come in with >> all that junk in the replies. <-End Paste Any thoughts on those two issues? Thanks a lot Yassen I really appreciate it. -Evan From kenny at gem-hs.org Thu Dec 16 02:14:42 2004 From: kenny at gem-hs.org (Kenny Chamber) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:14:42 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a different port number Message-ID: <41C0E182.3070305@gem-hs.org> I checked the FAQ, nothing. I searched google and came up with nothing helpful either. So what are the magic steps to make mailman work and be aware that it is running on a different port? If I put the port number in the URL by hand it works, but alas the URLs that get returned by listinfo or admin do not contain the port number. ----------------------- Kenny Chamber http://gem-hs.org/contact.html From jwt at OnJapan.net Thu Dec 16 02:20:55 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:20:55 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator Access In-Reply-To: <00ec01c4e2db$4c60bd20$6501017d@biddefordpd.local> References: <00ec01c4e2db$4c60bd20$6501017d@biddefordpd.local> Message-ID: <20041216012055.GG27168@server.onjapan.net> On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 02:21:36PM -0500, Bruce N. Audie wrote: > Does the moderator get the same e-mail notification as the administrator, > i.e., "You have one pending request that requires your attention...., etc.?" Yes. (And they can do the cancel/approval of the message by mail.) -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at OnJapan.net Thu Dec 16 02:26:53 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:26:53 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Reply-To behavior In-Reply-To: <41C05BC0.20506@swampgas.com> References: <41C05BC0.20506@swampgas.com> Message-ID: <20041216012652.GH27168@server.onjapan.net> On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 09:44:00AM -0600, Michael Owings wrote: > Everything works as advertised, except that ALL messages coming from a > particular list seem to have my email address either prepended (if I > have the list configured so that reply-to is set to the list name), or > if the reply-to is configured to be the sender, then ONLY my email > address will appear in the Reply-To header. Is that particular list set so that first_strip_reply_to (on the General Options page) is set to No, but your other lists set it to Yes? -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at OnJapan.net Thu Dec 16 02:47:22 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:47:22 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] REPOST Where is the HTML for the confirmation page? In-Reply-To: <403CA29F-4EC3-11D9-98CC-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> References: <403CA29F-4EC3-11D9-98CC-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Message-ID: <20041216014722.GI27168@server.onjapan.net> On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 10:00:48AM -0800, DJ Freak wrote: > Where is the HTML file that creates the web page that people are taken > to when the click on the confirm link in the email they receive after > signing up? It is generated on the fly by Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at OnJapan.net Thu Dec 16 02:55:55 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:55:55 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a different port number In-Reply-To: <41C0E182.3070305@gem-hs.org> References: <41C0E182.3070305@gem-hs.org> Message-ID: <20041216015555.GJ27168@server.onjapan.net> On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 04:14:42AM +0300, Kenny Chamber wrote: > I checked the FAQ, nothing. I searched google and came up with nothing > helpful either. So what are the magic steps to make mailman work and > be aware that it is running on a different port? If I put the port > number in the URL by hand it works, but alas the URLs that get returned > by listinfo or admin do not contain the port number. After changing DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN in your mm_cfg.py, don't forget to run the fix_url script (run bin/fix_url.py for an explanation of how to use bin/withlist to run it, or check the FAQ) to update your list object(s). (Depending upon your goal, you may also want to modify PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL in your mm_cfg.py.) -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From msapiro at value.net Thu Dec 16 03:16:31 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:16:31 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to 'import' Communigate lists to mailmansubscriber lists In-Reply-To: <06E2E60FB9C6EF409EFE472A8F4A82EB01280855@coso.staff.vuw.ac.nz> Message-ID: Steven Jones wrote: >Has anyone done this? I know nothing about Communigate lists, but I have imported subscriber lists from other services. Assuming you can "export" a subscriber list from Communigate, it should be no problem. >If so how was it done? and did you have any issues? I used the web Membership Management...->Mass Subscribe page, but bin/add_members might be easier if you have command line access. In either case, you need to split the list into a digest list and a regular list. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.044.htp for the format of list entries. With bin/add_members, you can give both lists to one command invocation. With the web page, you first set the default for new members (on the Digest options page) to "digest" and then process the digest list - then set the default to "regular" and process the regular list. I had no problems. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Dec 16 03:27:42 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:27:42 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailmaning only generating messages to some members In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Aaron Crosman wrote: > >About 2 weeks ago I setup a list for my bosses boss, I wasn't worried >since she only needed (very) a small list and we have 4000+ member list >that works fine. As one would expect her list, of course, now has >problems. > >Yesterday she sent a message to the list (first posting), and mailman >only generated 3 outgoing messages (for a list with 7 members). I have >looked through the mailman and exim logs, and I can't find a single >error message related to that message. Everything I find implies that >nothing went wrong, except only 3 messages were generated. All three >people have said they got message, and the other 4 did not. >The message is in the archives. >There are no bounce records. >All members on the list were subscribed in mass on 5 days earilier (and >therefore have the same settings). Assuming they didn't change them. Did you look at the membership on the Membership Management... page and verify that everyone has delivery enabled and is not on digest? >I ran the mailman permission and database checking tools, they didn't >find any problems. > >The only thing I can find that's unusal at all is that the moderator is >not a member on the list. This shouldn't be a problem. >I must be missing something. As you can imagine I'm under a little >pressure, so any hints or guidence would be much appreicated. Logs snipped, but did you look at mailman's smtp log? Does it say 3 or 7 or some other number for recipients? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From djfreak at beathustler.com Thu Dec 16 03:35:08 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:35:08 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] REPOST Where is the HTML for the confirmation page? In-Reply-To: <20041216014722.GI27168@server.onjapan.net> References: <403CA29F-4EC3-11D9-98CC-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> <20041216014722.GI27168@server.onjapan.net> Message-ID: <19E79B8E-4F0B-11D9-98CC-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Dude that is so not HTML. Waaaah. It's Javascript. Ouch. Wait a minute.....is that Javascript or is it a Python language file? What language are Python files written in? I just want to change the font, text, and background colors. What a strange file. It does have HTML at the end of it but most settings appear to not be in HTML. Help! On Dec 15, 2004, at 5:47 PM, Jim Tittsler wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 10:00:48AM -0800, DJ Freak wrote: >> Where is the HTML file that creates the web page that people are taken >> to when the click on the confirm link in the email they receive after >> signing up? > > It is generated on the fly by Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py. > > -- > Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 > Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ > Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html > From mikey at swampgas.com Thu Dec 16 04:30:39 2004 From: mikey at swampgas.com (Michael Owings) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:30:39 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Reply-To behavior In-Reply-To: <20041216012652.GH27168@server.onjapan.net> References: <41C05BC0.20506@swampgas.com> <20041216012652.GH27168@server.onjapan.net> Message-ID: <41C1015F.7050700@swampgas.com> Jim Tittsler wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 09:44:00AM -0600, Michael Owings wrote: > >>Everything works as advertised, except that ALL messages coming from a >>particular list seem to have my email address either prepended (if I >>have the list configured so that reply-to is set to the list name), or >>if the reply-to is configured to be the sender, then ONLY my email >>address will appear in the Reply-To header. > > > Is that particular list set so that first_strip_reply_to (on > the General Options page) is set to No, but your other lists > set it to Yes? > > Sorry -- my paragraph was unclear. It is not just one list that has this problem, but any list I create. Your answer was helpful, however -- if I set this option to yes, then my email address is not added to the header, and everything works as expected. The odd thing was that even when the source email was from a completely different account (say a yahoo account), my local email address was always added when the message was resent to the list recipients. Anyway, thanx -- setting first_strip_reply_to to YES seemed to fix things. Cheers -- m -- Teleoperate a roving mobile robot from the web: http://www.swampgas.com/robotics/rover.html From djfreak at beathustler.com Thu Dec 16 05:09:13 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:09:13 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone know Background color code for .py file? Message-ID: <3EF36CC1-4F18-11D9-8162-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Hi list So I've been able to edit my confirm.py to make it match my web site EXCEPT background color and img src=. Does anyone know how to code background color and image insert in a .py file? Thanks Evan From adam.steer at alia.org.au Thu Dec 16 05:13:38 2004 From: adam.steer at alia.org.au (Adam Steer) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:13:38 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How we made Mailman fit: One way to customise things.... Message-ID: Hi all I've finally written up the most significant parts of a Mailman makeover we've done here at ALIA. If you're interested, head over to: http://alia.org.au/alianet/e-lists/mailman.interface.html ..and have a dig around. In a very small nutshell, the pages there describe why we modified Mailman, and how we modified htmlformat.py and HTMLformatter.py to do most of the things we wanted. All is explained at the link above, and we've thrown in a couple of sample files where relevant. Still more to come, but nothing quite so major. Some words on installing non-RPM mailman on SuSE are also on the way - those, and some bash scripts we wrote to handle multiple-list-maintenance jobs, may come soon. A disclaimer or two, to go with it all: We arrived where we are via a couple of test servers, some intuitive guess work, some plain dumb luck and many cups of coffee. I'm no python programmer, so don't expect brilliance [it works... and we left it at that]. If any Python gurus can think of better ways to do what we did, please let us know! It may well be we've just mis-read the manual and made a lot of work for ourselves :-) Comments welcome, and apologies to a couple of interested people who have been waiting months for me to get this done. Cheers Adam. From adam.steer at alia.org.au Thu Dec 16 05:18:13 2004 From: adam.steer at alia.org.au (Adam Steer) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:18:13 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] addendum: How we made Mailman fit Message-ID: hmm - you might want to see our results before reading too much! See: http://lists.alia.org.au/mailman/listinfo/ ...one of those days! Cheers Adam -- Adam Steer Web publishing officer Australian Library and Information Association adam.steer at alia.org.au http://alia.org.au ph 02 6215 8234 fx 02 6282 2249 From msapiro at value.net Thu Dec 16 05:20:04 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:20:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Reply-To behavior In-Reply-To: <41C1015F.7050700@swampgas.com> Message-ID: Michael Owings wrote: > >Sorry -- my paragraph was unclear. It is not just one list that has this >problem, but any list I create. > >Your answer was helpful, however -- if I set this option to yes, then my >email address is not added to the header, and everything works as expected. > >The odd thing was that even when the source email was from a completely >different account (say a yahoo account), my local email address was >always added when the message was resent to the list recipients. > >Anyway, thanx -- setting first_strip_reply_to to YES seemed to fix things. Stripping the Reply-To: fixes the immediate problem you were having, but it doesn't fix the underlying problem, and it is a bad idea in general. It is a bad idea in general because a user may send a post with a Reply-To: which is different than From: and which may be required for that user to receive a reply. For more on this, see for example http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html The underlying problem in your case appears to be that somehow in the processing that delivers mail from your incoming MTA to Mailman, a Reply-To: you header gets added to the message. The real solution is to figure out where and why this is happening and fix it there. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From etierra at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 05:46:37 2004 From: etierra at gmail.com (Tierra) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:46:37 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone know Background color code for .py file? In-Reply-To: <3EF36CC1-4F18-11D9-8162-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> References: <3EF36CC1-4F18-11D9-8162-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:09:13 -0800, DJ Freak wrote: > So I've been able to edit my confirm.py to make it match my web site > EXCEPT background color and img src=. > > Does anyone know how to code background color and image insert in a .py > file? > > Thanks > > Evan I'm not even sure what you mean by that... however, if you take the time to look through the default config settings for Mailman, you'd find the exact variables you need to setup in your mm_cfg.py file to change the web colors. This may be a little out of line on this list, but I'm not even going to mention those variables since for the past 2 weeks, you've started 14 threads on this list about small simple configuration options like this one that you could of saved everyone here the trouble of looking up for you had you read the documentation. Also, please stop starting 3 separate threads all in one day on the same problem, same subject, just because no one answered in the first 2-3 hours. It's a mailing list, people will get to it when they can, if they can help you out. No one here get's paid to answer your questions. Bryan P.S. Don't touch VERP settings unless you know what it is and really need it. The defaults are fine for anyone who's new to email and mailing lists. From djfreak at beathustler.com Thu Dec 16 06:05:10 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:05:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone know Background color code for .py file? In-Reply-To: References: <3EF36CC1-4F18-11D9-8162-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> Message-ID: <0F6CB2A8-4F20-11D9-8162-000D9357420E@beathustler.com> So I guess that means you're not inviting me to be a gmail member huh Brian? Most of the documentation is extremely confusing for those of us who are not as brilliant as you. I have made those color changes in mm_cfg.py and their not affecting that confirm html page. That's why I'm posting. I make very clear what my questions are in my subject lines so if they're too elementary for you then don't read em. I'm sure you're skilled enough to change your membership to digest if the day to day traffic is too much for you. -evan On Dec 15, 2004, at 8:46 PM, Tierra wrote: > On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:09:13 -0800, DJ Freak > wrote: >> So I've been able to edit my confirm.py to make it match my web site >> EXCEPT background color and img src=. >> >> Does anyone know how to code background color and image insert in a >> .py >> file? >> >> Thanks >> >> Evan > > I'm not even sure what you mean by that... however, if you take the > time to look through the default config settings for Mailman, you'd > find the exact variables you need to setup in your mm_cfg.py file to > change the web colors. This may be a little out of line on this list, > but I'm not even going to mention those variables since for the past 2 > weeks, you've started 14 threads on this list about small simple > configuration options like this one that you could of saved everyone > here the trouble of looking up for you had you read the documentation. > Also, please stop starting 3 separate threads all in one day on the > same problem, same subject, just because no one answered in the first > 2-3 hours. It's a mailing list, people will get to it when they can, > if they can help you out. No one here get's paid to answer your > questions. > > Bryan > > P.S. Don't touch VERP settings unless you know what it is and really > need it. The defaults are fine for anyone who's new to email and > mailing lists. > From sythos at sythos.net Thu Dec 16 12:47:03 2004 From: sythos at sythos.net (Sythos) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:47:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Only inline plain text on exit email Message-ID: <20041216114703.GA25413@sythos.net> Hi all there is a way or a mix of content rule to force all outgoing message to be only plain text inline without multipart? Regards Sythos -- Sythos - http://www.sythos.net () ASCII Ribbon Campaign - against html/rtf/vCard in mail /\ - against M$ attachments From ACrosman at afsc.org Thu Dec 16 15:13:04 2004 From: ACrosman at afsc.org (Aaron Crosman) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:13:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailmaning only generating messages to some members Message-ID: Mark Sapiro Wrote: > > Assuming they didn't change them. Did you look at the > membership on the Membership Management... page and verify > that everyone has delivery enabled and is not on digest? I did check the management information, they all still have their original settings. > >I ran the mailman permission and database checking tools, > they didn't > >find any problems. > > > >The only thing I can find that's unusal at all is that the > moderator is > >not a member on the list. > > > This shouldn't be a problem. Good to know for sure, thanks. > >I must be missing something. As you can imagine I'm under a little > >pressure, so any hints or guidence would be much appreicated. > > > Logs snipped, but did you look at mailman's smtp log? Does it say 3 or > 7 or some other number for recipients? > 3 Dec 13 12:39:17 2004 (2487) <9CEADEA3D3938D49BB803BD7C59CD0E83DB55D at DELTA.AFSC.local> smtp for 3 recips, completed in 0.290 seconds From john at wa9als.com Thu Dec 16 15:31:36 2004 From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:31:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator Access References: <00ec01c4e2db$4c60bd20$6501017d@biddefordpd.local> Message-ID: <002301c4e37b$f30218e0$2201a8c0@105.56.105> > The moderator needs to go to the admindb URL, not the admin URL, i.e something like > http://www.example.com/mailman/admindb/list-name Is there a way for a moderator to do membership management via the web interface, or is this only available to the list owner? I don't see a way via the .../admindb/list-name page and the moderator can't login to the /admin/list-name page. I thought that in the past when I was a moderator on someone else's Mailman list, that I could do membership management via the web. Now I can't figure out how to set that up. I have established a moderator email and moderator password. Thanks - John From mikey at swampgas.com Thu Dec 16 15:56:12 2004 From: mikey at swampgas.com (Michael Owings) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:56:12 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Reply-To behavior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41C1A20C.1090700@swampgas.com> Mark Sapiro wrote: > Michael Owings wrote: > >>Sorry -- my paragraph was unclear. It is not just one list that has this >>problem, but any list I create. >> >>Your answer was helpful, however -- if I set this option to yes, then my >>email address is not added to the header, and everything works as expected. >> >>The odd thing was that even when the source email was from a completely >>different account (say a yahoo account), my local email address was >>always added when the message was resent to the list recipients. >> >>Anyway, thanx -- setting first_strip_reply_to to YES seemed to fix things. > > > Stripping the Reply-To: fixes the immediate problem you were having, > but it doesn't fix the underlying problem, and it is a bad idea in > general. > > It is a bad idea in general because a user may send a post with a > Reply-To: which is different than From: and which may be required for > that user to receive a reply. For more on this, see for example > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > > The underlying problem in your case appears to be that somehow in the > processing that delivers mail from your incoming MTA to Mailman, a > Reply-To: you header gets added to the message. The real solution is > to figure out where and why this is happening and fix it there. > Well, it's official -- I'm an idiot. As it turns out, the second account I was using had the email address in question configured as the Reply-To:. That would pretty much account for what I was seeing. Also, I suppose I didn't expect to see the original Reply-To: added to the Reply-To: generated when reply_to_list was set. I see why this is done (and that this behavior can be changed via first_strip_reply). Nevermind... and thanx for the help. I'm sure I'll have another stupid question soon. Cheers -- m -- Teleoperate a roving mobile robot from the web: http://www.swampgas.com/robotics/rover.html From msapiro at value.net Thu Dec 16 16:33:28 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:33:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Only inline plain text on exit email In-Reply-To: <20041216114703.GA25413@sythos.net> Message-ID: Sythos wrote: >Hi all >there is a way or a mix of content rule to force all outgoing message to >be only plain text inline without multipart? See the FAQ >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Article 4.39. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Dec 16 16:46:58 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:46:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator Access In-Reply-To: <002301c4e37b$f30218e0$2201a8c0@105.56.105> Message-ID: John Fleming wrote: > >Is there a way for a moderator to do membership management via the web >interface, or is this only available to the list owner? I don't see a way >via the .../admindb/list-name page and the moderator can't login to the >/admin/list-name page. I thought that in the past when I was a moderator on >someone else's Mailman list, that I could do membership management via the >web. Now I can't figure out how to set that up. I have established a >moderator email and moderator password. It doesn't matter what people are called, but access to the admindb page is available with either the admin password or the moderator password or the site password. Access to the admin pages is allowed only with the admin password or the site password. In your past situation, you may have been listed as a moderator but given the admin password, or Mailman may have worked differently. I know very little about pre 2.1.x Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From Easy1 at waterplanet.ws Thu Dec 16 17:02:40 2004 From: Easy1 at waterplanet.ws (Easy) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:02:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Bounce Msgs, Not All Subscribers Receiving In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41C1B1A0.2030300@waterplanet.ws> I made another test on the 680 mailman subscribers. In the past days the mailman list was used to send to the subscribers: - NO bounce notices came back - NONE - Many subscribers did NOT receive the message from Mailman Tonight I sent directly to the 680 subscribers (not using mailman) - I got all sorts of bounce notices - Many more, if not all subscribers, received the email for the first time in a long long time. Help is appreciated in sorting out how to get mailman to work well. --- Here are more details that may help sort this out. The indications are that the issue is within Cpanel (mailman & sending the message out) since the same subscribers are working through Topica and receive messages sent directly to them. *** Not All Mailman Listserv Subcribers Receiving Daily Email* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - The mailman list has some 600+ subscribers - This mailman is part of the CPanel package - This was sent to CPanel forum - no response yet. - This is a daily (M-F) listserv newsletter. The daily newsletter is only sent out by the moderator. - The list is fairly stable in size with the usual unsubscriptions and subscriptions, a slight increase each month. - Mailman had been running fine for months, until Aug/Sep when subscribers started sending messages saying the daily email was not arriving. - Subscribers NOT receiving their email seem to be consistently the same subscribers. They are from many and varied ISPs including AOL and Earthlink. - NOT ALL subscribers of any of the ISPs are being rejected. Many subscribers on ALL the ISPs are receiving the daily email just fine. - Some 250 of the subscribers are now on a Topica listserv. They ALL receive the daily email each day. When the same message is sent to the mailman listserv some of these 250 subscribers do NOT receive the email. - Emails sent directly to the subscribers, from the same email address that is used to send to the mailman listserv get through just fine, though email sent through mailman does not get to them. How can this issue be further isolated and resolved? From chris.a.adams at state.or.us Thu Dec 16 18:11:07 2004 From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:11:07 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] global change of forward_auto_discards usingwithlist In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41C1C1AB.9090708@state.or.us> Thanks for your suggestions. I have been able to use withlist to make this change to one list. However, when I try to run it on all lists, I get the following error message. ./withlist -l -a -r autodiscard Importing autodiscard... Traceback (most recent call last): File "./withlist", line 275, in ? main() File "./withlist", line 247, in main mod = __import__(module) File "./autodiscard.py", line 4 m.Save() ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax Following is my autodiscard.py file: ###autodiscard.py def autodiscard(m): m.forward_auto_discards = False m.Save() m.Unlock() Can you point out an error in my syntax. Thanks, Christopher Adams Mark Sapiro wrote: >Christopher Adams wrote: > > > >>I would like to change all mly 500+ lists so that the >>forward_auto_discards is set to 'No'. I assume that the best way to do >>this is utilizing the 'withlist' utility. I have only used this utility >>to change the URL for my lists. >> >>Has anyone done this and could you give me some tips? >> >> > >See >http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-December/041243.html > >Just change > > mlist.archive = 0 > >to > > mlist.forward_auto_discards = 0 > >and rename the script appropriately if you want. > >There's not much that can go wrong, but it's always a good idea to back >up your lists/ directory before doing stuff like this. > >-- >Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > > From djfreak at beathustler.com Thu Dec 16 20:28:57 2004 From: djfreak at beathustler.com (DJ Freak) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:28:57 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Global Font Change Message-ID: Hello LIst I have read the Readme's and I have done about a thousand internet searches and I cannot find the code for changing the Font globally for my entire Mailman Web Interface. Obviously I am able to change some global settings in Defaults.py but not global font. Anybody know how to do this? I have tried many different combos of FONT_FACE = ['arial'] and WEB_FONT = ['arial'] in both Defaults.py as well as mm_cfg.py with no luck. Same question for the Font color. Thanks very much for the ongoing support. I really appreciate it. -Evan Miller From e_studios1 at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 16 21:19:23 2004 From: e_studios1 at bellsouth.net (Enrique Vega) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:19:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regexp topics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 14, 2004, at 6:34 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Of course you could use a more elaborate regexp as well depending on > what you want, but however you enter it, it is just one regexp and the > newlines and other whitespace are ignored unless escaped or inside > character classes. Mark, Your help was great! However, I have come to the conclusion that you have to also add the "|" to the last keyword for it to also be recognized, and then add some giberish for the final keyword that will not be used. That seems to have worked for me. On another note. How can I set up a topic to so that folks will NOT get the topi? For instance, our mail list uses YAK or OT when off topic discussions start. Some folks have complained in the past about off topic discussions. I would like for these folks to have a way to pre filter for OT and or YAK. Can you help me with the regexp to filter out these two key words so folks who like the yak can get it, and folks who don't will not get it? enrique From ChrisH at Navsys.com Thu Dec 16 22:54:18 2004 From: ChrisH at Navsys.com (Christopher Hammond) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:54:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail for production? Message-ID: <05CD3BFBAA9DB545BC62C48C4540507A018B420A@mail.NAVSYS.COM> hello all, I have a client that would like to start a "News and Announcements" emailing list where all emails will only be going out and noone will be posting back to the list. He currently has 36,000 contacts and foresees needing to scale to around 75,000 over the next couple of years. I am somewhat new to maintaining my own mail server, but have been successfully running 3 domains using qmail for a few months. My questions are these : 1) is qmail an acceptable MTA for a production environment? if not ... any recommendations? 2) can mailman, running on a dedicated machine ( pIII with 512 Mb RAM ), handle 30-75k contacts? 3) does mailmain provide a more detailed subscriber form whereas I could use it to capture the demographic data of our subscribers? (ie., physical address, telephone number, etc ) 4) is mailman actually what I should be using for this? I greatly appreciate any information regards chris From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Dec 16 22:18:44 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:18:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Reply-To behavior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:20 PM -0800 2004-12-15, Mark Sapiro wrote: > It is a bad idea in general because a user may send a post with a > Reply-To: which is different than From: and which may be required for > that user to receive a reply. For more on this, see for example > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html This issue is also addressed in . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Dec 16 22:21:38 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:21:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Only inline plain text on exit email In-Reply-To: <20041216114703.GA25413@sythos.net> References: <20041216114703.GA25413@sythos.net> Message-ID: At 12:47 PM +0100 2004-12-16, Sythos wrote: > there is a way or a mix of content rule to force all outgoing message to > be only plain text inline without multipart? Nope. There is no general method of turning a MIME-formatted message into a plain-text message without MIME formatting (although some tools try), and things get really nasty when you try to add or change stuff as part of that process. You can configure Mailman to strip out all MIME bodypart types except certain limited ones that are considered acceptable by the recipients, and you can get Mailman to do HTML->text conversion, but that's about it. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Dec 16 22:22:46 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:22:46 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator Access In-Reply-To: <002301c4e37b$f30218e0$2201a8c0@105.56.105> References: <00ec01c4e2db$4c60bd20$6501017d@biddefordpd.local> <002301c4e37b$f30218e0$2201a8c0@105.56.105> Message-ID: At 9:31 AM -0500 2004-12-16, John Fleming wrote: > Is there a way for a moderator to do membership management via the web > interface, or is this only available to the list owner? No. The list owner does those sorts of things. The moderator is just involved with handling the moderation queue. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Dec 16 22:26:45 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:26:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Bounce Msgs, Not All Subscribers Receiving In-Reply-To: <41C1B1A0.2030300@waterplanet.ws> References: <41C1B1A0.2030300@waterplanet.ws> Message-ID: At 8:02 AM -0800 2004-12-16, Easy wrote: > How can this issue be further isolated and resolved? I think you need to try turning on personalization for the mailing list, and making sure that the MTA supports VERP. However, either your provider or cPanel may make this difficult or impossible. In that case, your only option would be to move the list to a different hosting provider. But further questions on enabling personalization and/or VERP should be directed to your provider first, and cPanel second. We can tell you the way a normal Mailman installation should work, if the site administrator and the administrator who configured the MTA did things a certain way, but that's about all we can do. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From ziegler at alpha.tmit.bme.hu Thu Dec 16 23:25:54 2004 From: ziegler at alpha.tmit.bme.hu (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Ziegler_G=E1bor?=) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:25:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help wanted: debian woody mailman suddenly stopped with (seemingly) qrunner lock file problem Message-ID: <41C20B72.5070703@alpha.tmit.bme.hu> Dear gurus, I run a fairly low-traffic mailman on a stock debian woody server, which suddenly stopped to work. I am clueless and looking for help. Details below My system: --------- Debian stable (stock deban woody, regularly updated from security.debian.org) Debianized stock mailman package v.2.0.11 Debianized stock Exim package: version 3.35 #1 built 07-May-2004 08:25:17 Symptomps: ---------- A few days ago the server suddenly stopped to process incoming messages, they just accumulate in the qfiles subdir. Admin access via web is working, I can add users, etc. No pending mails reported by the web admin gui. Mails are accepted by the MTA w/o complaints, no mail goes out to lists, though. Nothing. The non-mailman-related SMTP traffic flows as normal. The server has been running for years w/o any real problem. Running out-of-disk-space has happened earlier, but cleaning-up some disk-space has always solved problems. Below comes the summary of my investigations. I am totally clueless about the problem any help is highly appreciated. I repeat: the server has worked for years, no (intentional) config changes has happened. There was, however, reports of the server running out-of diskspace by a list-admin, but that has been taken care already. Zeroth examination: disk space check: ------------------- df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hdb1 1.9G 1.8G 116M 94% / /dev/hdb5 3.9G 3.6G 163M 96% /home /dev/hdb3 1.9G 1.2G 738M 61% /var /dev/hdb6 3.9G 3.1G 724M 81% /usr/local /dev/hda1 7.6M 5.6M 1.6M 78% /boot /dev/hda2 4.7G 3.2G 1.2G 72% /archives-hda2 Note, there is plenty of disk space in /var. First examination: SMTP works ----------------------------- According to the logs exim delivers: just an example from the Exim's mainlog, showing a succesful delivery to mailman-list "nsht": 2004-12-15 08:34:11 1CeTfn-0002e9-00 <= XXXXXX at tmit.bme.hu H=david.tmit.bme.hu [152.66.246.102] P=esmtp S=1865 id=Pine.GSO.3.96.1041215083328.21437A-100000 at david.tmit.bme.hu 2004-12-15 08:34:12 1CeTfn-0002e9-00 => nsht D=list_director T=list_transport 2004-12-15 08:34:12 1CeTfn-0002e9-00 Completed Furthermore, I actively use this Exim as my everyday default SMTP MTA, works just fine fine. Second examination: The messages seems to reach the qfiles directory. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There are various entries like this: f0fb10de9b998a5a185~aa29819f1395b9.db size:115 date:Dec 15 23:03 f0fb10de9b998a5a185~a29819f1395b9.msg size:825 date:Dec 15 23:03 The content of a .db file: leda:/var/lib/mailman/qfiles# cat -vte f0fb10de9b998a5a1858842d62aa29819f1395b9.db {s^F^@^@^@tolisti^A^@^@^@s^G^@^@^@versioni^B^@^@^@s^H^@^@^@listnames^D^@^@^@nshts^H^@^@^@filebases(^@^@^@f0fb10de9b998a5a18 The content of the .msg file seems normal SMTP envelope and body The biggest .msg file in this directory is 6656 bytes, therefore disk-free-space cannot be the issue. Third examination: perms seems to O.K. -------------------------------------- leda:/var/lib/mailman/qfiles# check_perms No problems found Fourth examination: checking database of the list of the reporting list-admin for list "nsht" -------------------------------------------------------- leda:/var/lib/mailman/qfiles# check_db nsht /var/lib/mailman/lists/nsht/config.db is fine /var/lib/mailman/lists/nsht/config.db.last is fine Note, that no lists seems to work on the server (there are some tens of lists), neither "nsht" nor others. Fifth examination: checking crontab for mailman ----------------------------------------------- leda:/var/lib/mailman/qfiles# cat /etc/cron.d/mailman 12,42 * * * * list [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f /usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue ] && /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue # */5 * * * * list [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news ] && /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news * * * * * list [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner ] && /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner Cron daemon is up and running. Qrunner script runs every minutes. See next examination Sixth examination: checking mailman logs -------------------------------------------- Everything seems to normal, except that qrunner continually emits errors at each run to /var/lib/mailman/logs/error, such as these: Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): Traceback (most recent call last): Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ? Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): kids = main(lock) Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata) Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg): Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): addrs = func(msg) Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Postfix.py", line 39, in process Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): more = mfile.next() Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): File "/usr/lib/python2.1/multifile.py", line 123, in next Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): while self.readline(): pass Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): File "/usr/lib/python2.1/multifile.py", line 95, in readline Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): if marker == self.section_divider(sep): Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): File "/usr/lib/python2.1/multifile.py", line 159, in section_divider Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): return "--" + str Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): TypeError : cannot add type "None" to string My attempts to fix the seemingly lock file problem: -------------------------------------------------- 1. Since the reporting list-admin claimed temporary ran-out-of-diskspace situation. I double checked the available free space. 2. I have stopped crond, inetd. I have checked that no python process is lurking around, then I have checked with "lsof" that any of the lock-files in /var/lib/mailman/locks/ are not held open by anyone. All lock files was older than several months(!). I have deleted all lockfiles. Restarted crontab, inetd. Qrunner still fails with the above error log. 3. as a last attempt i have sacrified my 135 days uptime :-( and I have rebooted the system, hoping that the Microsoft approach might help. The system rebooted just fine, but mailman (qrunner) still does not work. Now I am out of ideas. Any advice? Thanks: G?bor From jessica at jessicamartin.org Thu Dec 16 23:26:00 2004 From: jessica at jessicamartin.org (Jessica Martin) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:26:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Help, Please. Message-ID: <46808.198.74.20.74.1103235960.squirrel@198.74.20.74> Greetings, I am currently installing Mailman on my server, and I am 99% done installing the prrogram. Yet there is one issue I can't figure out. After a user subscribes to my list, their confirmation email is titled: "confirm f3c5203ffc20dca387f3d1528edcaf34a6251e03" or something similiar in the Subject field of the email. How can I customize the text of this "To" subscription confirmation email? On a similar note, how can I customize the actual text of the "To" subscription confirmation email as well? Thank you in advance for your help. Sincerely, Jessica From news at maddler.net Thu Dec 16 23:46:11 2004 From: news at maddler.net (William Maddler) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:46:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem while compiling on slack 10.0 Message-ID: <41C21033.90704@maddler.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all! I was trying to compile Mailman 2.1.4 on my Slackware Linux (10.0) but configure says: checking how to run the C preprocessor... /usr/bin/cpp configure: error: C preprocessor "/usr/bin/cpp" fails sanity check See `config.log' for more details. my configure.log is available at: http://www.maddler.net/config.log any clue? thx for your help! - -- William Maddler -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBwhAy1ALxG2OcY+8RAo8PAJ49kzyKcBtn9t9payGsxQeO1T+E5gCgggdr a4EzPvZkmJyPDz3hkFzY74M= =K3ir -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ziegler at alpha.tmit.bme.hu Thu Dec 16 23:47:14 2004 From: ziegler at alpha.tmit.bme.hu (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Ziegler_G=E1bor?=) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:47:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Solved, sorry, was: Re: help wanted: debian woody mailman suddenly stopped with (seemingly) qrunner lock file problem In-Reply-To: <41C20B72.5070703@alpha.tmit.bme.hu> References: <41C20B72.5070703@alpha.tmit.bme.hu> Message-ID: <41C21072.3070208@alpha.tmit.bme.hu> Hi everybody, I am embarrassed, since RTFM was the solution: Possibly item 8.) of http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp May all the spammers die a VERY lengthy and painful death then may they go to hell forever :-( Cheers, Gabor Ziegler G?bor wrote: > Dear gurus, > > I run a fairly low-traffic mailman on a stock debian woody server, which > suddenly stopped to work. I am clueless and looking for help. Details below > > My system: > --------- > Debian stable (stock deban woody, regularly updated from > security.debian.org) > Debianized stock mailman package v.2.0.11 > Debianized stock Exim package: version 3.35 #1 built 07-May-2004 08:25:17 > > Symptomps: > ---------- > A few days ago the server suddenly stopped to process incoming messages, > they just accumulate in the qfiles subdir. Admin access via web is > working, I can add users, etc. No pending mails reported by the web > admin gui. Mails are accepted by the MTA w/o complaints, no mail goes > out to lists, though. Nothing. The non-mailman-related SMTP traffic > flows as normal. > > The server has been running for years w/o any real problem. Running > out-of-disk-space has happened earlier, but cleaning-up some disk-space > has always solved problems. > > Below comes the summary of my investigations. I am totally clueless > about the problem any help is highly appreciated. > > I repeat: the server has worked for years, no (intentional) config > changes has happened. There was, however, reports of the server running > out-of diskspace by a list-admin, but that has been taken care already. > > Zeroth examination: disk space check: > ------------------- > df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hdb1 1.9G 1.8G 116M 94% / > /dev/hdb5 3.9G 3.6G 163M 96% /home > /dev/hdb3 1.9G 1.2G 738M 61% /var > /dev/hdb6 3.9G 3.1G 724M 81% /usr/local > /dev/hda1 7.6M 5.6M 1.6M 78% /boot > /dev/hda2 4.7G 3.2G 1.2G 72% /archives-hda2 > > Note, there is plenty of disk space in /var. > > First examination: SMTP works > ----------------------------- > According to the logs exim delivers: just an example from the Exim's > mainlog, showing a succesful delivery to mailman-list "nsht": > > 2004-12-15 08:34:11 1CeTfn-0002e9-00 <= XXXXXX at tmit.bme.hu > H=david.tmit.bme.hu [152.66.246.102] P=esmtp S=1865 > id=Pine.GSO.3.96.1041215083328.21437A-100000 at david.tmit.bme.hu > 2004-12-15 08:34:12 1CeTfn-0002e9-00 => nsht > D=list_director T=list_transport > 2004-12-15 08:34:12 1CeTfn-0002e9-00 Completed > > Furthermore, I actively use this Exim as my everyday default SMTP MTA, > works just fine fine. > > Second examination: The messages seems to reach the qfiles directory. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > There are various entries like this: > f0fb10de9b998a5a185~aa29819f1395b9.db size:115 date:Dec 15 23:03 > f0fb10de9b998a5a185~a29819f1395b9.msg size:825 date:Dec 15 23:03 > The content of a .db file: > leda:/var/lib/mailman/qfiles# cat -vte > f0fb10de9b998a5a1858842d62aa29819f1395b9.db > {s^F^@^@^@tolisti^A^@^@^@s^G^@^@^@versioni^B^@^@^@s^H^@^@^@listnames^D^@^@^@nshts^H^@^@^@filebases(^@^@^@f0fb10de9b998a5a18 > > The content of the .msg file seems normal SMTP envelope and body > > The biggest .msg file in this directory is 6656 bytes, therefore > disk-free-space cannot be the issue. > > Third examination: perms seems to O.K. > -------------------------------------- > leda:/var/lib/mailman/qfiles# check_perms > No problems found > > Fourth examination: checking database of the list of the reporting > list-admin for list "nsht" > -------------------------------------------------------- > leda:/var/lib/mailman/qfiles# check_db nsht > /var/lib/mailman/lists/nsht/config.db is fine > /var/lib/mailman/lists/nsht/config.db.last is fine > > Note, that no lists seems to work on the server (there are some tens of > lists), neither "nsht" nor others. > > > Fifth examination: checking crontab for mailman > ----------------------------------------------- > leda:/var/lib/mailman/qfiles# cat /etc/cron.d/mailman > 12,42 * * * * list [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f > /usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue ] && /usr/bin/python > /usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue > # */5 * * * * list [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f > /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news ] && /usr/bin/python > /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news > * * * * * list [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f > /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner ] && /usr/bin/python > /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner > > Cron daemon is up and running. Qrunner script runs every minutes. See > next examination > > Sixth examination: checking mailman logs > -------------------------------------------- > Everything seems to normal, except that qrunner continually emits > errors at each run to /var/lib/mailman/logs/error, such as these: > > Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): Traceback (most recent call last): > Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): File > "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ? > Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): kids = main(lock) > Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): File > "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main > Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): keepqueued = > dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata) > Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): File > "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message > Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): if > BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg): > Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): File > "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages > Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): addrs = func(msg) > Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): File > "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Postfix.py", line 39, in process > Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): more = mfile.next() > Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): File > "/usr/lib/python2.1/multifile.py", line 123, in next > Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): while self.readline(): pass > Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): File > "/usr/lib/python2.1/multifile.py", line 95, in readline > Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): if marker == > self.section_divider(sep): > Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): File > "/usr/lib/python2.1/multifile.py", line 159, in section_divider > Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): return "--" + str > Dec 16 00:06:02 2004 qrunner(18367): TypeError : cannot add type "None" > to string > > My attempts to fix the seemingly lock file problem: > -------------------------------------------------- > 1. Since the reporting list-admin claimed temporary ran-out-of-diskspace > situation. I double checked the available free space. > > 2. I have stopped crond, inetd. I have checked that no python process is > lurking around, then I have checked with "lsof" that any of the > lock-files in /var/lib/mailman/locks/ are not held open by anyone. All > lock files was older than several months(!). I have deleted all > lockfiles. Restarted crontab, inetd. Qrunner still fails with the above > error log. > > 3. as a last attempt i have sacrified my 135 days uptime :-( and I have > rebooted the system, hoping that the Microsoft approach might help. > The system rebooted just fine, but mailman (qrunner) still does not work. > > Now I am out of ideas. > Any advice? > > Thanks: > G?bor > From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Dec 16 23:49:37 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:49:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail for production? In-Reply-To: <05CD3BFBAA9DB545BC62C48C4540507A018B420A@mail.NAVSYS.COM> References: <05CD3BFBAA9DB545BC62C48C4540507A018B420A@mail.NAVSYS.COM> Message-ID: At 2:54 PM -0700 2004-12-16, Christopher Hammond wrote: > 1) is qmail an acceptable MTA for a production environment? if not ... any > recommendations? It is not my choice, and I believe that the integration between qmail and Mailman may be lacking in some areas. I know what the integration is like between Mailman and either postfix or sendmail, and both of those should definitely be able to handle the MTA load, if configured properly. I've done millions of mail messages per day on properly configured machines. > 2) can mailman, running on a dedicated machine ( pIII with 512 Mb RAM ), > handle 30-75k contacts? Properly configured, I don't see that this would be a problem. However, you should read . I can tell you that your disk subsystem, your OS & filesystem configuration, and your amount and configuration of memory are going to be critical factors in determining whether or not you will be able to make this work with this class of hardware. You can do it if you know what you're doing, but it will take some work to put all the right pieces together in the right way. > 3) does mailmain provide a more detailed subscriber form whereas I could use > it to capture the demographic data of our subscribers? (ie., physical > address, telephone number, etc ) No. Moreover, there is no place to store this information. You'd need to make some fairly significant modifications to Mailman to account for the added information you want. > 4) is mailman actually what I should be using for this? It sounds to me like what you really want is a Customer Relationship Manager system. See . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jimka at rdrop.com Fri Dec 17 01:41:03 2004 From: jimka at rdrop.com (Jim Newton) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:41:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 100s of copies of the same mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41C22B1F.9000100@rdrop.com> i recently set up a mailing list of about 1500 subscribers. and then i sent a couple of test messages. now many people are complaining to me that they are getting several hundreds of copies of the test messages every day and it has been about a week later. Will anyone vollunteer to help me figure out what is going on here? -jim Enrique Vega wrote: > > On Dec 14, 2004, at 6:34 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> Of course you could use a more elaborate regexp as well depending on >> what you want, but however you enter it, it is just one regexp and the >> newlines and other whitespace are ignored unless escaped or inside >> character classes. > > > Mark, > > Your help was great! However, I have come to the conclusion that you > have to also add the "|" to the last keyword for it to also be > recognized, and then add some giberish for the final keyword that will > not be used. That seems to have worked for me. > > On another note. How can I set up a topic to so that folks will NOT get > the topi? For instance, our mail list uses YAK or OT when off topic > discussions start. Some folks have complained in the past about off > topic discussions. I would like for these folks to have a way to pre > filter for OT and or YAK. Can you help me with the regexp to filter out > these two key words so folks who like the yak can get it, and folks who > don't will not get it? > > enrique > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > From jimka at rdrop.com Fri Dec 17 01:43:55 2004 From: jimka at rdrop.com (Jim Newton) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:43:55 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 100s of copies of test mail Message-ID: <41C22BCB.5030901@rdrop.com> i recently setup a mailing list of about 1500 people. and now i am getting a lot of mail from the subscribers saying that they are getting 100s of emails per day of exactly the same thing. Here is a copy of one of the complaints for a subscriber with full header. can someone help me find out what is wrong? -jim -------- Original Message -------- From: - Thu Dec 16 21:29:25 2004 X-UIDL: Uo;"!kW("!iYX!!HL)#! X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Received: from agora.rdrop.com (92 at localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iBGJY9Pv093185; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:43:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mmsa-readers-bounces at rdrop.com) Received: from tomts27-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts27.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.101]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iBEF0k2a069437 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:00:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from otnsbare at on.aibn.com) Received: from userbaw6ei4v5j ([65.92.96.149]) by tomts27-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with SMTP id <20041214150045.TRBK1863.tomts27-srv.bellnexxia.net at userbaw6ei4v5j> for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:00:45 -0500 Message-ID: <016101c4e1ed$b17b67d0$0130fea9 at userbaw6ei4v5j> To: References: <20041214011845.30426.qmail at web40404.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [mmsa-readers] test messages Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:47:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 From: mmsa-readers at rdrop.com X-BeenThere: mmsa-readers at rdrop.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mmsa-readers-bounces at rdrop.com Errors-To: mmsa-readers-bounces at rdrop.com X-UIDL: Uo;"!kW("!iYX!!HL)#! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [mmsa-readers] test messages > STOP SENDING ME THESE TEST MESSAGES....THEY'RE VERY > UNNECESSARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > --- mmsa-readers at rdrop.com wrote: > >> remove me >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [mmsa-readers] test of mailing list >> >> >> > Please unsubscribe me at the following addresses: >> > >> > bunsiebertie at comcast.net >> > bunsiebertie at yahoo.com >> > >> > Thank you. >> > >> > >> > > please stop sending me these tests im not a >> member anymore- or ever >> was- >> > > thanks! >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > mmsa-readers mailing list >> > > mmsa-readers at rdrop.com >> > > >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/mmsa-readers >> > _______________________________________________ >> > mmsa-readers mailing list >> > mmsa-readers at rdrop.com >> > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/mmsa-readers >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mmsa-readers mailing list >> mmsa-readers at rdrop.com >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/mmsa-readers >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. > http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > mmsa-readers mailing list > mmsa-readers at rdrop.com > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/mmsa-readers _______________________________________________ mmsa-readers mailing list mmsa-readers at rdrop.com http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/mmsa-readers From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Dec 17 02:04:56 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 02:04:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 100s of copies of test mail In-Reply-To: <41C22BCB.5030901@rdrop.com> References: <41C22BCB.5030901@rdrop.com> Message-ID: At 1:43 AM +0100 2004-12-17, Jim Newton wrote: > i recently setup a mailing list of about 1500 people. > and now i am getting a lot of mail from the subscribers > saying that they are getting 100s of emails per day > of exactly the same thing. Here is a copy > of one of the complaints for a subscriber with > full header. can someone help me find out what is > wrong? Looking at just one message will tell you nothing. You've got to look at your log entries, and copies of many different messages. Make sure that you look at *all* the headers, not just the "From:", "To:", "Subject:", etc... that you normally see. Figure out what is the same between these various messages and what is different. That will tell you where the problem is, and give you a hint as to what needs to be fixed. But we can't really help you with any of this. You are probably the only person who has the necessary access to the various pieces of information needed. Moreover, this is basic mail systems administration, and you need to be able to figure out how to go through this process. Either that, or you need to pay someone else to do this for you. We can give you some advice and hints, but that's about it. Without knowing anything else about your systems or the problems you're having, the only hint I am capable of giving you is to make sure that you look at all of the "Received:" headers for the messages in question, and look for strings of apparently random characters like "iBGJY9Pv093185" and "iBEF0k2a069437" which follow the phrase "with ESMTP id", and then try to match those against your MTA and Mailman log files. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From msapiro at value.net Fri Dec 17 02:09:10 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:09:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 100s of copies of the same mail In-Reply-To: <41C22B1F.9000100@rdrop.com> Message-ID: Jim Newton wrote: >i recently set up a mailing list of about 1500 subscribers. >and then i sent a couple of test messages. now many people >are complaining to me that they are getting several hundreds >of copies of the test messages every day and it has been >about a week later. > >Will anyone vollunteer to help me figure out what >is going on here? You set up the list and subscribed 1500 people of which some (a few, a hundred, more?) are clueless about e-mail lists. 1500 people get the test message. Some (see previous sentence for number) reply to the list saying don't send this to me. Now all 1500 subscribers get those messages and some reply saying "I didn't send it, I'm getting them too, stop it". And on and on it goes. Set emergency moderation for your list on NOW! and discard all these replies as the come in before they reach the list. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Dec 17 03:03:44 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:03:44 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Help, Please. In-Reply-To: <46808.198.74.20.74.1103235960.squirrel@198.74.20.74> Message-ID: Jessica Martin wrote: > >Yet there is one issue I can't figure out. > >After a user subscribes to my list, their confirmation email is titled: > >"confirm f3c5203ffc20dca387f3d1528edcaf34a6251e03" or something similiar >in the Subject field of the email. > >How can I customize the text of this "To" subscription confirmation email? There is a parameter you can set in mm_cfg.py VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes Currently this only affects invitations, not subscription request confirmations. For invitations, it changes Subject: confirm 4ddb7163459cbaed6c1055e2bad937e8fbf40126 From: test_2-request at grizz.org to Subject: You have been invited to join the Test_2 mailing list From: test_2-confirm+23a6e1fdf979dd223e7466e95deb10f486ba3b79 at grizz.org I think that currently the only way to get this for confirmations is to hack the code. >On a similar note, how can I customize the actual text of the "To" >subscription confirmation email as well? The subscription confirmation is a template named verify.txt. See the FAQ >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Article 4.48 for information on installing modified templates on a per-list, per-virtual domain or site wide basis. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Dec 17 02:32:26 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:32:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 100s of copies of the same mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark Sapiro wrote: > >You set up the list and subscribed 1500 people of which some (a few, a >hundred, more?) are clueless about e-mail lists. 1500 people get the >test message. Some (see previous sentence for number) reply to the >list saying don't send this to me. Now all 1500 subscribers get those >messages and some reply saying "I didn't send it, I'm getting them >too, stop it". And on and on it goes. > >Set emergency moderation for your list on NOW! and discard all these >replies as they come in before they reach the list. But note the addresses of the people who want to get off the list. BTW, emergency moderation is "Emergency moderation of all list traffic." under "Additional settings" on the General Options page After you do the above, you need to think about the next step. If you have set the list for reply goes to this list, the above situation is just one of many good reasons not to do this. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.048.htp Whether you can recover from all the ill will that this situation caused is not clear. You need to send an apology to the list. Leave emergency moderation on for this. If you are now convinced that Reply-To: munging is bad, turn it off (It could have been off all along in which case be thankful because it would have been much worse if it was on) before sending the apology. Whether or not you unsubscribe everyone who asked to be unsubscribed before or after sending the apology is your call. It may be best to unsubscribe the entire list and then if it seems appropriate, invite people to resubscribe. Or you may just abandon this list as a lesson learned for another time. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jimworke at yahoo.com Fri Dec 17 06:59:36 2004 From: jimworke at yahoo.com (Jim Worke) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:59:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to use LDAPMemberAdaptor? Message-ID: <20041217055936.2806.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I'm trying to use the LDAPMemberAdaptor 3.0, but faced some problem. I can't find any documentation with examples on this. For example, in extend.py, what do I enter for: LDAP_OWNER_ATTR? Because I got this error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 198, in main show_results(mlist, doc, category, subcat, cgidata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 498, in show_results form.AddItem(membership_options(mlist, subcat, cgidata, doc, form)) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 870, in membership_options all = [_m.encode() for _m in mlist.getMembers()] File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LDAPMemberships.py", line 263, in getMembers return self.__ldap_get_members() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LDAPMemberships.py", line 246, in __ldap_get_members self.__ldap_load_members_by_group() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LDAPMemberships.py", line 231, in __ldap_load_members_by_group ownerdn = attrs[self.__mlist.LDAP_OWNER_ATTR][0] KeyError: 'owner' __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From sythos at sythos.net Fri Dec 17 10:58:09 2004 From: sythos at sythos.net (Sythos) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:58:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem while compiling on slack 10.0 In-Reply-To: <41C21033.90704@maddler.net> References: <41C21033.90704@maddler.net> Message-ID: <20041217095809.GC19740@sythos.net> On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 11:46:11PM +0100, William Maddler wrote: > checking how to run the C preprocessor... /usr/bin/cpp > configure: error: C preprocessor "/usr/bin/cpp" fails sanity check > See `config.log' for more details. > my configure.log is available at: http://www.maddler.net/config.log > any clue? The version of your GCC? Regards, Sythos -- Sythos - http://www.sythos.net () ASCII Ribbon Campaign - against html/rtf/vCard in mail /\ - against M$ attachments From david at midrange.com Fri Dec 17 16:45:50 2004 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:45:50 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug when selecting "Preserve message for site administrator" Message-ID: I was rejecting a message in the admin queue and selected "Preserve message for site administrator". When I submitted, I got the following error. Any thoughts? Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 163, in main process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 788, in process_form preserve, forward, forwardaddr) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 159, in HandleRequest forward, addr) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 236, in __handlepost msg = cPickle.load(fp) ValueError: could not convert string to float Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.1 (#1, Aug 30 2002, 12:15:30) [GCC 3.2 20020822 (Red Hat Linux Rawhide 3.2-4)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 Environment variables: Variable Value PATH_INFO /midrange-l CONTENT_LENGTH 7124 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_COOKIE site=280200000069fefdc241732800000035336634633436316536393030613038613933633535356361393165626333326233653663353431 SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) SERVER_ADMIN david at midrange.com SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admindb SCRIPT_URI http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/admindb/midrange-l SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/2.0.40 Server at lists.midrange.com Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST lists.midrange.com SCRIPT_URL /mailman/admindb/midrange-l SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING PATH_TRANSLATED /usr/local/mailman/html/midrange-l REQUEST_URI /mailman/admindb/midrange-l HTTP_ACCEPT text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive HTTP_REFERER http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/admindb/midrange-l?msgid=9757 SERVER_NAME lists.midrange.com REMOTE_ADDR 208.248.38.130 HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300 REMOTE_PORT 57168 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us,en;q=0.5 UNIQUE_ID nwRKnsCoATIAAAPZCAcAAAAA SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip,deflate SERVER_ADDR 69.3.23.26 DOCUMENT_ROOT /usr/local/mailman/html From news at maddler.net Fri Dec 17 19:51:00 2004 From: news at maddler.net (William Maddler) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:51:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem while compiling on slack 10.0 In-Reply-To: <20041217095809.GC19740@sythos.net> References: <41C21033.90704@maddler.net> <20041217095809.GC19740@sythos.net> Message-ID: <41C32A94.5020702@maddler.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sythos wrote: | On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 11:46:11PM +0100, William Maddler wrote: | |>checking how to run the C preprocessor... /usr/bin/cpp |>configure: error: C preprocessor "/usr/bin/cpp" fails sanity check |>See `config.log' for more details. |>my configure.log is available at: http://www.maddler.net/config.log |>any clue? | | | The version of your GCC? ============================================================ no... it was a wrong link to kernel's header... fixed... now I'm figthing with: Traceback (most recent call last): ~ File "bin/update", line 46, in ? ~ import paths ~ File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/paths.py", line 55, in ? ~ import japanese ImportError: No module named japanese make: *** [update] Error 1 ============================================================ DAMN! - -- William Maddler -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBwyqS1ALxG2OcY+8RAr9pAJ9AXFggsEkKVF6zGQxOAc+Qad7aUACfeKyB JhSEcrLqLfr6Uy5QqJAc/LY= =BlqV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Dec 17 20:21:39 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:21:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem while compiling on slack 10.0 In-Reply-To: <41C32A94.5020702@maddler.net> References: <41C21033.90704@maddler.net> <20041217095809.GC19740@sythos.net> <41C32A94.5020702@maddler.net> Message-ID: At 7:51 PM +0100 2004-12-17, William Maddler wrote: > ImportError: No module named japanese > make: *** [update] Error 1 > ============================================================ > > DAMN! If you do the following Google search, you will find a number of hits which may be useful to you: "ImportError: No module named japanese" inurl:mail.python.org/pipermail However, not knowing the specifics of your installation, it's hard to say which solution is likely to work for you. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From dave at umiacs.umd.edu Fri Dec 17 20:23:18 2004 From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:23:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] list bounced addresses Message-ID: Is there an easy way to list which addresses on a list in mm215 have bounces pending? On the membership page, I'd have to go to each letter of the alphabet that has subscribers to see if "nomail" has a "?" next to it. Doable, but a pain. Likewise, I could grep the bounce logfile but that would include addresses that may have already been unsubscribed and are thus now irrelevant TIA =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David Stern University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies From rufranco at utep.edu Fri Dec 17 23:01:59 2004 From: rufranco at utep.edu (Franco, Ruben) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:01:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] After reboot "Uncaught bounce notification" Message-ID: Hello, We are running Mailman 2.1.5 under RedHat ES 3.0. Today, we rebooted our Listserv server, and after boot up the following messages starting being sent over and over again: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- "From: mailman-bounces at listserv.utep.edu [mailto:mailman-bounces at listserv.utep.edu] Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:23 AM To: mailman-owner at listserv.utep.edu Subject: Uncaught bounce notification The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted from it. This mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s). For more information see: http://listserv.utep.edu/mailman/admin/mailman/bounce" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- I went to the "Bounce processing" section and changed, "Should Mailman send you, the list owner, any bounce messages that failed to be detected by the bounce processor?" to "NO" and that seems to have stopped flooding my mailbox with these messages, but I have a few questions. What caused this to occur after the reboot? Will this happen every time we reboot the server? Is this being sent out to all list Owners/Administrators of all our lists? Any light that can be shed on this issue will be appreciated. Thanks, Ruben From msapiro at value.net Fri Dec 17 23:16:14 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:16:14 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] After reboot "Uncaught bounce notification" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Franco, Ruben wrote: > We are running Mailman 2.1.5 under RedHat ES 3.0. Today, we >rebooted our Listserv server, and after boot up the following messages >starting being sent over and over again: > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >--------- >"From: mailman-bounces at listserv.utep.edu >[mailto:mailman-bounces at listserv.utep.edu] >Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:23 AM >To: mailman-owner at listserv.utep.edu >Subject: Uncaught bounce notification > >The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce >format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted >from it. This mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized >bounce messages to the list administrator(s). > >For more information see: >http://listserv.utep.edu/mailman/admin/mailman/bounce" >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >--------- > >I went to the "Bounce processing" section and changed, > >"Should Mailman send you, the list owner, any bounce messages that >failed to be detected by the bounce processor?" > >to "NO" and that seems to have stopped flooding my mailbox with these >messages, but I have a few questions. > >What caused this to occur after the reboot? >Will this happen every time we reboot the server? Those messages have the actual triggering unrecognized bounce message attached. Those attached messages might offer a clue. >Is this being sent out to all list Owners/Administrators of all our >lists? Check the Mailman "bounce" log. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From news at maddler.net Fri Dec 17 23:18:08 2004 From: news at maddler.net (William Maddler) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:18:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem while compiling on slack 10.0 In-Reply-To: References: <41C21033.90704@maddler.net> <20041217095809.GC19740@sythos.net> <41C32A94.5020702@maddler.net> Message-ID: <41C35B20.3060302@maddler.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brad Knowles wrote: | At 7:51 PM +0100 2004-12-17, William Maddler wrote: | |> ImportError: No module named japanese |> make: *** [update] Error 1 |> ============================================================ |> |> DAMN! | | | If you do the following Google search, you will find a number of | hits which may be useful to you: | | "ImportError: No module named japanese" | inurl:mail.python.org/pipermail | | However, not knowing the specifics of your installation, it's hard | to say which solution is likely to work for you. I'll answer to myself again :) some links where missing, solved with: ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/linux /usr/include/linux ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/asm /usr/include/asm ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/asm-generic /usr/include/asm-generic i suppose that was my fault since I am using a self-compiled 2.6.9 kernel tree, but it was in /usr/src/linux as it was supposed to be, and I never had any problem. BTW, I hope this will help others having the same problem and then installed Japanes and Korean modules found in mailman-2.1.5/misc directory... didn't found a way to avoid installing jap and kor support, since I'm 101% I won't need them... ;) thx anyway... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBw1sf1ALxG2OcY+8RAuHNAJ9VF6rUfA6I/1uwtZ/yEVReurFBsACePQT2 O5aowikaQpz00EGJ5XvAHDM= =L792 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jimka at rdrop.com Sat Dec 18 01:24:31 2004 From: jimka at rdrop.com (jimk's second account) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:24:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 100s of copies of the same mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41C378BF.9020802@rdrop.com> Mark Sapiro wrote:. >If you have set the list for reply goes to this list, the above >situation is just one of many good reasons not to do this. See >http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.048.htp > > > > I wanted to set up the list so that only I could post to it and that all replys and all other posts would be automatically rejected. i'm not sure if i have done it correctly though. From lists at lastonepicked.com Sat Dec 18 01:29:21 2004 From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:29:21 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 100s of copies of the same mail In-Reply-To: <41C378BF.9020802@rdrop.com> Message-ID: A suggestion for next time - don't subscribe all your users until you have the list working properly... > From: jimk's second account > Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:24:31 +0100 > To: Mark Sapiro > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 100s of copies of the same mail > > Mark Sapiro wrote:. > >> If you have set the list for reply goes to this list, the above >> situation is just one of many good reasons not to do this. See >> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.048.htp >> >> >> >> > I wanted to set up the list so that only I could post to it and that all > replys > and all other posts would be automatically rejected. i'm not sure if i have > done it correctly though. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From msapiro at value.net Sat Dec 18 01:35:22 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:35:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 100s of copies of the same mail In-Reply-To: <41C378BF.9020802@rdrop.com> Message-ID: jimk's second account wrote: >I wanted to set up the list so that only I could post to it and that all >replys >and all other posts would be automatically rejected. i'm not sure if i have >done it correctly though. Well, clearly you didn't since all those users posts went through, See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp for info on how to set up a one-way list. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From papadop at peak.org Sat Dec 18 09:56:48 2004 From: papadop at peak.org (MichaelP) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 00:56:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Info request Message-ID: I'm brand new to mailman admin/config stuff but with a decade of majordomo listowning. So I havn't yet spotted how or where to enter acceptable alios names. I've had trouble with some mailman listowners: I like to post bcc: to multiple addresses -- and unless the listowner cooperates such post bounce - to the moderator who should need to be involved - because the set-up doesn't like to see an alias in the TO: line of email Michael From ernest at afrinic.org Sat Dec 18 10:26:51 2004 From: ernest at afrinic.org (Ernest Byaruhanga) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:26:51 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list advertisement Message-ID: <41C3F7DB.6090408@afrinic.org> hello mailman users, i have a little problem - i changed my lists virtual domain - when i try to show lists on the new domain, only the newly created lists show up. In order to see the old lists, i must replace the domain with the server's IP address. In which config must i update the old lists so that they can also get advertised in the new viertual domain? thanks, erny From msapiro at value.net Sat Dec 18 17:49:36 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:49:36 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list advertisement In-Reply-To: <41C3F7DB.6090408@afrinic.org> Message-ID: Ernest Byaruhanga wrote: > >i have a little problem - i changed my lists virtual domain - when i try >to show lists on the new domain, only the newly created lists show up. > >In order to see the old lists, i must replace the domain with the >server's IP address. In which config must i update the old lists so that >they can also get advertised in the new viertual domain? See the FAQ >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Article 4.29. You've probably updated your virtual hosts in mm_cfg.py, but you need to run fix_url.py as explained under "Existing versus new lists". -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sat Dec 18 17:53:36 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:53:36 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Info request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MichaelP wrote: > >So I havn't yet spotted how or where to enter acceptable alios names. > >I've had trouble with some mailman listowners: I like to post bcc: >to multiple addresses -- and unless the listowner cooperates such post >bounce - to the moderator who should need to be involved - because the >set-up doesn't like to see an alias in the TO: line of email If I understand you correctly, see Privacy options...->Recipient filters->acceptable_aliases -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From papadop at peak.org Sat Dec 18 18:03:20 2004 From: papadop at peak.org (MichaelP) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:03:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Info request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks - after I wrote I discovered the mailman FAQ search feature and got to the same place. M ============ On Sat, 18 Dec 2004, Mark Sapiro wrote: If I understand you correctly, see Privacy options...->Recipient filters->acceptable_aliases From felix.klee at inka.de Sat Dec 18 19:22:07 2004 From: felix.klee at inka.de (Felix E. Klee) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:22:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Finding Archived Messages in a Certain Time Frame Message-ID: <877jnfwjow.wl%felix.klee@inka.de> Hi, what's an effective way to find all messages in a certain time frame (e.g. on 2004-12-18 between twelve and thirteen o'clock) in *all* archives? Felix From catalyst at actionpa.org Sun Dec 19 00:39:21 2004 From: catalyst at actionpa.org (Mike Ewall) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:39:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome Message Line Breaks Ignored by Mailman Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041218180114.109f9eb0@mail.actionpa.org> Is there any solution to the problem with mailman ignoring line breaks in welcome messages? If I place the following in a welcome message... My Name, List Manager My Phone Number My Email My Website ...it comes out looking like this when emailed to new subscribers: My Name, List Manager My Phone Number My Email My Website It only seems to recognize line breaks if there are two in a row. This is one of a long list of dysfunctional problems with mailman that has been driving me crazy ever since I got stuck running this software for my lists a few years ago. It was mentioned on the listowner list a long time ago, but was never answered (and now the list seems to be gone). Does anyone here have an answer to this problem? Mike From listuser at jpkvideo.net Sun Dec 19 01:00:24 2004 From: listuser at jpkvideo.net (JP Kelly) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:00:24 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp error Message-ID: I have mailman 2.1.5 installed on OSX Panther with exim as the MTA. When mailman attempts to deliver messages I get the following message in smtp-error log: (1956) Low level smtp error: (7, 'No address associated with nodename') nothing appears in the exim log. any ideas on what to do or where to look? From papadop at peak.org Sun Dec 19 01:12:11 2004 From: papadop at peak.org (MichaelP) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:12:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome Message Line Breaks Ignored by Mailman In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041218180114.109f9eb0@mail.actionpa.org> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041218180114.109f9eb0@mail.actionpa.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Dec 2004, Mike Ewall wrote: > > Is there any solution to the problem with mailman ignoring line breaks in > welcome messages? > > If I place the following in a welcome message... > > My Name, List Manager > My Phone Number > My Email > My Website > > ...it comes out looking like this when emailed to new subscribers: > > My Name, List Manager My Phone Number My Email My Website > > It only seems to recognize line breaks if there are two in a row. > > This is one of a long list of dysfunctional problems with mailman that has > been driving me crazy ever since I got stuck running this software for my > lists a few years ago. It was mentioned on the listowner list a long time > ago, but was never answered (and now the list seems to be gone). > > Does anyone here have an answer to this problem? > > Mike > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > From msapiro at value.net Sun Dec 19 01:12:28 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:12:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome Message Line Breaks Ignored by Mailman In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041218180114.109f9eb0@mail.actionpa.org> Message-ID: Mike Ewall wrote: > >Is there any solution to the problem with mailman ignoring line breaks in >welcome messages? > >If I place the following in a welcome message... > >My Name, List Manager >My Phone Number >My Email >My Website > >...it comes out looking like this when emailed to new subscribers: > >My Name, List Manager My Phone Number My Email My Website > >It only seems to recognize line breaks if there are two in a row. This is the way it's designed to work. Note that the help for welcome_msg says >Note that this text will be wrapped, according to the following rules: > > * Each paragraph is filled so that no line is longer than 70 characters. > * Any line that begins with whitespace is not filled. > * A blank line separates paragraphs. So have you tried preceeding your lines with whitespace? - e.g. My Name, List Manager My Phone Number My Email My Website Instead of My Name, List Manager My Phone Number My Email My Website -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From catalyst at actionpa.org Sun Dec 19 01:40:21 2004 From: catalyst at actionpa.org (Mike Ewall) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:40:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome Message Line Breaks Ignored by Mailman In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041218180114.109f9eb0@mail.actionpa.org> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041218193826.108377b8@mail.actionpa.org> >So have you tried preceeding your lines with whitespace? Yes, that works perfectly. Awfully strange "feature" though... Thank you! Mike From catalyst at actionpa.org Sun Dec 19 02:39:16 2004 From: catalyst at actionpa.org (Mike Ewall) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:39:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2nd Question: Bypassing Confirmation/Approval for New Subscribers Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041218194118.1083be10@mail.actionpa.org> I just joined this list. I'm glad to see such responsiveness (much better than the "listowner" list was). Perhaps someone can answer another point of frustration I have with Mailman. The software doesn't seem to allow people to subscribe without being subject to confirmation or approval. Is there any way to circumvent the need to require confirmation or approval? Since the confirmation process isn't very user-friendly, many people fail to complete the process to subscribe or unsubscribe. After analyzing one of the lists I run, I found that 18% of those who try to subscribe and 38% of those who try to unsubscribe fail to complete the process (some of the 38% manage to unsubscribe after multiple attempts or by bugging me to remove them). I used to run many Listproc lists where I was able to create (user-friendly) web forms to allow people to automatically un/subscribe themselves -- no confirmation required. If there were a command-line way for a mailman listowner to add someone without requiring confirmation (this feature is already available through the web interface), I could program my forms to re-enable this. Do command-line options for this exist? Mike P.S. Please don't write back with replies about how users who can't complete a confirmation process are stupid, lazy or incompetent or why you feel that list managers shouldn't have certain features due to security concerns. From msapiro at value.net Sun Dec 19 03:36:27 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:36:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2nd Question: Bypassing Confirmation/Approval forNew Subscribers In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041218194118.1083be10@mail.actionpa.org> Message-ID: Mike Ewall wrote: > >Perhaps someone can answer another point of frustration I have with Mailman. > >The software doesn't seem to allow people to subscribe without being >subject to confirmation or approval. > >Is there any way to circumvent the need to require confirmation or approval? If you set ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = Yes in mm_cfg.py, you will be given the option to allow unconfirmed subscribes on a list on Privacy options...->Subscription rules->subscribe_policy. Alternatively, you can set subscribe_policy = 0 for a list with bin/withlist. This is not really recommended. See http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg27706.html for a few of the reasons why. > >Since the confirmation process isn't very user-friendly, many people fail >to complete the process to subscribe or unsubscribe. After analyzing one >of the lists I run, I found that 18% of those who try to subscribe and 38% >of those who try to unsubscribe fail to complete the process (some of the >38% manage to unsubscribe after multiple attempts or by bugging me to >remove them). > >I used to run many Listproc lists where I was able to create >(user-friendly) web forms to allow people to automatically un/subscribe >themselves -- no confirmation required. > >If there were a command-line way for a mailman listowner to add someone >without requiring confirmation (this feature is already available through >the web interface), I could program my forms to re-enable this. > >Do command-line options for this exist? See bin/add_members --help This requires the subscribee's address be written to a file to be read by the command. See the thread with subject "[Mailman-Users] Admin (un)subscribe via wget or email w/out confirms" beginning at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-December/041209.html for a way to use wget. You could set up your web forms to post to the admin mass subscribe URI, but you may not be able to do this without revealing the list admin password to anyone who looks at the HTML source of your form. Again, see the above thread. >Mike > >P.S. Please don't write back with replies about how users who can't >complete a confirmation process are stupid, lazy or incompetent or why you >feel that list managers shouldn't have certain features due to security >concerns. OK, I won't say that list managers "shouldn't have" the ability to allow unconfirmed subscribes. I've told you a few ways you can do it, But if one list manager's ill considered subscription policy has the potential to get your entire domain blacklisted by AOL and other large ISP's, you might want to let other list managers in the domain weigh in on the decision. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From felix.klee at inka.de Sun Dec 19 16:53:23 2004 From: felix.klee at inka.de (Felix E. Klee) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:53:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Finding Archived Messages in a Certain Time Frame In-Reply-To: <877jnfwjow.wl%felix.klee@inka.de> References: <877jnfwjow.wl%felix.klee@inka.de> Message-ID: <877jne8eto.wl%felix.klee@inka.de> At Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:22:07 +0100, Felix E. Klee wrote: > what's an effective way to find all messages in a certain time frame > (e.g. on 2004-12-18 between twelve and thirteen o'clock) in *all* > archives? Never mind, the issue has been solved in another way. Other than that, maybe mailgrep may be able to do what I want - I haven't looked at in years, though. Felix From igueths at lava-net.com Sun Dec 19 17:02:27 2004 From: igueths at lava-net.com (Igor Gueths) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:02:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange SMTP error when using Courier with Mailman Message-ID: <20041219160227.GC29080@lava-net.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello all. I am attempting to use Mailman-2.1.5 with Courier-0.46 and I haven't had much luck as of yet in terms of getting it going. Right now I have the mailman (site list), and a list called Igors_list which I am currently working with. The aliases I currently have defined are as follows: igors_list: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post igors_list igors_list-admin: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin igors_list igors_list-bounces: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces igors_list igors_list-confirm: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm igors_list igors_list-join: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join igors_list igors_list-leave: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave igors_list igors_list-owner: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner igors_list igors_list-request: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request igors_list igors_list-subscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe igors_list igors_list-unsubscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe igors_list Note that in the aliases file everyone is on its individual line,, it just got wrapped because of the text editor I'm using for this message. I tried sending a test message to igors_list at lava-net.com (after subscribing myself through the admin interface). In my maillog file, I got the following: Dec 19 10:42:09 shadwiga courierd: newmsg,id=001A8123.41C5A151.000072AE: dns; localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) Dec 19 10:42:09 shadwiga courierd: started,id=001A8123.41C5A151.000072AE,from=,module=local,host=alias!.xalias/igors_list at lava+2dnet+2ecom!1018!102!/usr/lib/courier/etc/aliasdir!!,addr= Dec 19 10:42:09 shadwiga courierd: Waiting. shutdown time=none, wakeup time=none, queuedelivering=2, inprogress=2 Dec 19 10:42:09 shadwiga courierlocal: id=001A8123.41C5A151.000072AE,from=,addr=<".xalias/igors_list at lava+2dnet+2ecom"@lava-net.com>,size=561,success: Message delivered. Dec 19 10:42:09 shadwiga courierd: completed,id=001A8123.41C5A151.000072AE However, in /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp-failure I get this: Dec 19 10:42:11 2004 (29012) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service not known'), msgid: Dec 19 10:42:11 2004 (29012) delivery to igueths at lava-net.com failed with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known') Dec 19 10:42:11 2004 (29012) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service not known'), msgid: Dec 19 10:42:11 2004 (29012) delivery to igors_list-owner at lava-net.com failed with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known') I've been googling variants of this error message. One sollution I found was to make sure there was an entry for localhost in /etc/hosts, and I already have that. Another one was to set SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION to a value greater than 0. I tried that and I still got the same message in the smtp-failure log. Should I perhaps try setting MTA to something like Sendmail, since Courier is able to somewhat emulate it? Currently I have it set to Manual. I also have DELIVERY_MODULE set to SMTPDirect. Is there any way I can turn up Mailman's logging so that I might be able to figure out what it doesn't like? Thanks! - -- "The answer to life, the universe, and everything is 42." -- Douglas Adams -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBxaYTNohoaf1zXJMRAg3pAJ9jcY76Bk9nnFB9fooGIHuwjA3/3gCgu9yI A9EO32AaYx3WAqZ9DPjOkKE= =YtoU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From msapiro at value.net Sun Dec 19 18:15:47 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 09:15:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange SMTP error when using Courier with Mailman In-Reply-To: <20041219160227.GC29080@lava-net.com> References: <20041219160227.GC29080@lava-net.com> Message-ID: <41C5B743.6010009@value.net> Igor Gueths wrote: > > Hello all. I am attempting to use Mailman-2.1.5 with Courier-0.46 and I > haven't had much luck as of yet in terms of getting it going. Right now > I have the mailman (site list), and a list called Igors_list which I am > currently working with. The aliases I currently have defined are as > follows: igors_list: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post > igors_list > igors_list-admin: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin > igors_list > igors_list-bounces: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces > igors_list > igors_list-confirm: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm > igors_list > igors_list-join: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join igors_list > igors_list-leave: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave > igors_list > igors_list-owner: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner > igors_list > igors_list-request: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request > igors_list > igors_list-subscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe > igors_list > igors_list-unsubscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe > igors_list > > Note that in the aliases file everyone is on its individual line,, it > just got wrapped because of the text editor I'm using for this message. Your aliases look OK. Do you also have a set for the "mailman" list? You need those too. > I tried sending a test message to igors_list at lava-net.com (after > subscribing myself through the admin interface). In my maillog file, I > got the following: Dec 19 10:42:09 shadwiga courierd: > newmsg,id=001A8123.41C5A151.000072AE: dns; localhost (localhost > [127.0.0.1]) > Dec 19 10:42:09 shadwiga courierd: > started,id=001A8123.41C5A151.000072AE,from=,module=local,host=alias!.xalias/igors_list at lava+2dnet+2ecom!1018!102!/usr/lib/courier/etc/aliasdir!!,addr= > Dec 19 10:42:09 shadwiga courierd: Waiting. shutdown time=none, wakeup > time=none, queuedelivering=2, inprogress=2 > Dec 19 10:42:09 shadwiga courierlocal: > id=001A8123.41C5A151.000072AE,from=,addr=<".xalias/igors_list at lava+2dnet+2ecom"@lava-net.com>,size=561,success: > Message delivered. > Dec 19 10:42:09 shadwiga courierd: > completed,id=001A8123.41C5A151.000072AE I don't know Courier, but this seems to say the incoming message was delivered to Mailman and I think it was. > However, in /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp-failure I get this: Dec 19 > 10:42:11 2004 (29012) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service not > known'), msgid: > Dec 19 10:42:11 2004 (29012) delivery to igueths at lava-net.com failed > with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known') > Dec 19 10:42:11 2004 (29012) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service > not known'), msgid: > Dec 19 10:42:11 2004 (29012) delivery to igors_list-owner at lava-net.com > failed with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known') It looks here as though Mailman has received your post and is now trying to deliver a "moderation required" or some such message to igueths at lava-net.com and then another message to igors_list-owner at lava-net.com (note the msgids are different and both are mailman generated messages, not your post). These attempted deliveries fail. This seems to be a Courier issue of some kind not directly involving aliases. > I've been googling variants of this error message. One sollution I found > was to make sure there was an entry for localhost in /etc/hosts, and I > already have that. Another one was to set > SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION to a value greater than 0. I tried that > and I still got the same message in the smtp-failure log. Should I > perhaps try setting MTA to something like Sendmail, since Courier is > able to somewhat emulate it? Currently I have it set to Manual. I also > have DELIVERY_MODULE set to SMTPDirect. Is there any way I can turn up > Mailman's logging so that I might be able to figure out what it doesn't > like? Thanks! MTA = 'Manual' is what you want. This only has to do with how aliases are communicated to the MTA during list creation/deletion. SMTPDirect is also the delivery you want. I don't think this is a Mailman problem. I think it is a Mailman/Courier integration problem and Mailman is already reporting all it can. I think Mailman is receiving mail from Courier, but is unable to send. the code '-1' and message (-2, 'Name or service not known') come from the outgoing MTA You might try finding a Courier specific list or other Courier specific resources to get more information. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sun Dec 19 19:10:27 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 10:10:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] change domain name In-Reply-To: <1D9A8403AC41D6488C9E6897F531798701129318@spmail.summitmedia.com.ph> References: <1D9A8403AC41D6488C9E6897F531798701129318@spmail.summitmedia.com.ph> Message-ID: <41C5C413.2070707@value.net> Aris Santillan wrote: > > what will i do if i change my domain name mail.alpha.net to > mailx.alpha.net what are the step in this kind of changes on my > Mailman Mailing List Server? > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Article 4.29. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From carl.fairweather at mainframe.co.uk Sun Dec 19 19:13:12 2004 From: carl.fairweather at mainframe.co.uk (Carl Fairweather) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:13:12 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT HELP: re HTML mail Message-ID: Hi there. I have set up an HTML mail for our company. It needs to be HTML we specialise in motion graphics and our clients will expect to see images in their newsletter. My problem is this. I can send the HTML mail (which uses links for images online so no images are ever attached) without any problem to myself and friends. When I send this same mail through Mailman it strips out all the images and text formatting. I can send emails with images inserted and text in between, however, this means large mail kb and the text wraps depending on how wide the readers window is. This looks very un-proffessional. Our mailman is set up up on our web hosts server which we don't have access to. I have gone through all the settings on my administration page. Content filtering is off. There isn't anything, as far as I can see, that should prevent the mail going through. Can someone please explain what I'm doing wrong? My employer wants our first mail out to be sent before Christmas. Thanks for your help, Carl From msapiro at value.net Sun Dec 19 20:26:13 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:26:13 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailmaning only generating messages to some members In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41C5D5D5.4010102@value.net> Aaron Crosman wrote: > Mark Sapiro Wrote: > > >>Assuming they didn't change them. Did you look at the >>membership on the Membership Management... page and verify >>that everyone has delivery enabled and is not on digest? > > > I did check the management information, they all still have their > original settings. >> >>Logs snipped, but did you look at mailman's smtp log? Does it say 3 or >>7 or some other number for recipients? >> > > > 3 > > Dec 13 12:39:17 2004 (2487) > <9CEADEA3D3938D49BB803BD7C59CD0E83DB55D at DELTA.AFSC.local> smtp for 3 > recips, completed in 0.290 seconds > Mailman is only trying to send to 3 of the 7 then and they all have identical settings on the Membership Management... page. This is quite puzzling. I'm out of ideas. Sorry. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sun Dec 19 20:55:26 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:55:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regexp topics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41C5DCAE.506@value.net> Enrique Vega wrote: > > On Dec 14, 2004, at 6:34 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> Of course you could use a more elaborate regexp as well depending on >> what you want, but however you enter it, it is just one regexp and the >> newlines and other whitespace are ignored unless escaped or inside >> character classes. > > Your help was great! However, I have come to the conclusion that you > have to also add the "|" to the last keyword for it to also be > recognized, and then add some giberish for the final keyword that will > not be used. That seems to have worked for me. I understand what you're saying above, but I don't understand why it would be the case. Don't argue with success I guess :-) > On another note. How can I set up a topic to so that folks will NOT get > the topi? For instance, our mail list uses YAK or OT when off topic > discussions start. Some folks have complained in the past about off > topic discussions. I would like for these folks to have a way to pre > filter for OT and or YAK. Can you help me with the regexp to filter out > these two key words so folks who like the yak can get it, and folks who > don't will not get it? You could define "OffTopic" as "\ ot\ |\ yak\ " or something similar (the "\ " is a space and is included so as not to match "ot" or "yak" when they are parts of other words. Anyway, the actual regexp might need to be more involved to really work well. For example, something like [[( ](ot|yak)[]) ] would match "[" or "(" or " " followed by "ot" or "yak" followed by "]" or ")" or " ". If members could ask to NOT receive certain topics, they then could ask for "not OffTopic", but I don't think you can do that. I think the best one can do is subscribe to all topics of interest and maybe also choose to receive messages that don't match any topic. The problem is that any time a new topic is added, each member who has done the above will then have to explicitly subscribe to the new topic to get those messages. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From etaylor at amnh.org Mon Dec 20 00:43:03 2004 From: etaylor at amnh.org (Ezra Taylor) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:43:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems reciving post from clients outside network Message-ID: <41C61207.8050907@amnh.org> Hello all: I setup mailman 2.1.5 on Debian woody and postfix 2.1.5. Now here is the problem. I can send post to a mailing list as long as I'm within my network. But when I use my gmail and yahoo email account, I can't send any posts. I looked at the logs for the incoming mail servers and don't see any traffic hitting the incoming MX's. I also don't see any traffic hitting the listserv. Note, mailman works when I'm using an account from my organization, But when I use an account outside my organization. No mail is being sent. Again, there is no traffic on the incoming MX's or the listserv. Is this a problem with our mail servers blocking account not coming from our domain? Also, we have an old mailman(version 2.1.1) listserv runnning on redhat and postfix 1.1.11. This listserver has no problem honoring post coming from domains outside our organization. Furthermore, I looked in the mailman log and saw the following error message: Dec 19 09:15:02 2004 (1221) Warning: unable to setgroups([1004]). Lastly my configure options are below. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman --with-cgi-gid=www-data --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.1 --with-groupname=mailman --with-mail-gid=mailman Ezra Taylor From rmcleran at ix.netcom.com Mon Dec 20 02:06:00 2004 From: rmcleran at ix.netcom.com (Bob McLeran) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:06:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem displaying & in list footer In-Reply-To: <41C61207.8050907@amnh.org> References: <41C61207.8050907@amnh.org> Message-ID: <41C62578.7030701@ix.netcom.com> Using the administrative pages, the Non-Digest options sections, the last item on the page is "Footer added to mail sent to regular list members." I want to add a footer containing the & character as part of the text, but when I put the ampersand (&) in the footer text, it doesn't display - in fact it displays"&" and some other characters. How do I get the ampersand to display properly in the text? Bob Listmeister for T&T List using MailMan From catalyst at actionpa.org Mon Dec 20 02:45:12 2004 From: catalyst at actionpa.org (Mike Ewall) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:45:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2nd Question: Bypassing Confirmation/Approval for New Subscribers In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041218194118.1083be10@mail.actionpa.org> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041219203736.112cc990@mail.actionpa.org> Mark and Dan, thanks for the advice so far. I just checked with my webhost and confirmed that they don't allow us access to mailman configuration files, since the files are server-wide and would affect other clients they host. I therefore can't modify the mm_cfg.py file or use any command-line options. I tried out the wget method mentioned below, but it doesn't seem to work for me either. Trying them through a browser gives me a "CGI script error" stating "Error: No such list [listname]." Trying the commands while SSH'd into the server gives errors as well. Any idea why the wget methods described in the thread earlier this month (http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-December/041209.html) wouldn't work? Any other suggestions or am I out of luck until I switch my web hosting to a host that allows access to the mailman config files? Mike At 09:36 PM 12/18/2004, Mark Sapiro wrote: >Mike Ewall wrote: > > > >Perhaps someone can answer another point of frustration I have with Mailman. > > > >The software doesn't seem to allow people to subscribe without being > >subject to confirmation or approval. > > > >Is there any way to circumvent the need to require confirmation or approval? > > >If you set ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = Yes in mm_cfg.py, you will be given >the option to allow unconfirmed subscribes on a list on Privacy >options...->Subscription rules->subscribe_policy. Alternatively, you >can set subscribe_policy = 0 for a list with bin/withlist. > >This is not really recommended. See >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg27706.html for >a few of the reasons why. > > > > > >Since the confirmation process isn't very user-friendly, many people fail > >to complete the process to subscribe or unsubscribe. After analyzing one > >of the lists I run, I found that 18% of those who try to subscribe and 38% > >of those who try to unsubscribe fail to complete the process (some of the > >38% manage to unsubscribe after multiple attempts or by bugging me to > >remove them). > > > >I used to run many Listproc lists where I was able to create > >(user-friendly) web forms to allow people to automatically un/subscribe > >themselves -- no confirmation required. > > > >If there were a command-line way for a mailman listowner to add someone > >without requiring confirmation (this feature is already available through > >the web interface), I could program my forms to re-enable this. > > > >Do command-line options for this exist? > > >See > > bin/add_members --help > >This requires the subscribee's address be written to a file to be read >by the command. > > >See the thread with subject "[Mailman-Users] Admin (un)subscribe via >wget or email w/out confirms" beginning at >http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-December/041209.html >for a way to use wget. > >You could set up your web forms to post to the admin mass subscribe >URI, but you may not be able to do this without revealing the list >admin password to anyone who looks at the HTML source of your form. >Again, see the above thread. > > >Mike > > > >P.S. Please don't write back with replies about how users who can't > >complete a confirmation process are stupid, lazy or incompetent or why you > >feel that list managers shouldn't have certain features due to security > >concerns. > >OK, I won't say that list managers "shouldn't have" the ability to >allow unconfirmed subscribes. I've told you a few ways you can do it, >But if one list manager's ill considered subscription policy has the >potential to get your entire domain blacklisted by AOL and other large >ISP's, you might want to let other list managers in the domain weigh >in on the decision. > >-- >Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From listuser at jpkvideo.net Mon Dec 20 06:32:47 2004 From: listuser at jpkvideo.net (JP Kelly) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:32:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No address associated with nodename In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94BB28E2-5248-11D9-BBDB-000A95B0041E@jpkvideo.net> I have mailman 2.1.5 installed on OSX Panther with exim as the MTA. When mailman attempts to send messages I get the following message in smtp-error log: Low level smtp error: (7, 'No address associated with nodename') nothing appears in the exim/MTA log. any ideas on what to do or where to look? I have tried putting the following in mm_cfg.py DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailman.jpkvideo.net' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mailman.jpkvideo.net' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) SMTPHOST = 'mailman.jpkvideo.net' MTA = None DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' Supposedly Exim does not need to be told about aliases ----------------------------- Jon-Paul Kelly A11 SA TEX jp at jpkvideo.com ----web hosting---- http://www.jpkvideo.net From sythos at sythos.net Mon Dec 20 13:12:17 2004 From: sythos at sythos.net (Sythos) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 13:12:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems reciving post from clients outside network In-Reply-To: <41C61207.8050907@amnh.org> References: <41C61207.8050907@amnh.org> Message-ID: <20041220121217.GA6511@sythos.net> On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 06:43:03PM -0500, Ezra Taylor wrote: > organization. No mail is being sent. Again, there is no traffic on the > incoming MX's or the listserv. Is this a problem with our mail servers > blocking account not coming from our domain? Also, we have an old This propably a postfix trouble, not mailman one, check mynetwork & mydomain setting in main.cf Other problem are conseguentially generated from first (high probably) Regards Sythos -- Sythos - http://www.sythos.net () ASCII Ribbon Campaign - against html/rtf/vCard in mail /\ - against M$ attachments From sythos at sythos.net Mon Dec 20 13:12:58 2004 From: sythos at sythos.net (Sythos) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 13:12:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem displaying & in list footer In-Reply-To: <41C62578.7030701@ix.netcom.com> References: <41C61207.8050907@amnh.org> <41C62578.7030701@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <20041220121258.GB6511@sythos.net> On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 08:06:00PM -0500, Bob McLeran wrote: > the text, but when I put the ampersand (&) in the footer text, it > doesn't display - in fact it displays"&" and some other characters. > How do I get the ampersand to display properly in the text? Try to escape it Regards Sythos -- Sythos - http://www.sythos.net () ASCII Ribbon Campaign - against html/rtf/vCard in mail /\ - against M$ attachments From jwt at OnJapan.net Mon Dec 20 13:36:19 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:36:19 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No address associated with nodename In-Reply-To: <94BB28E2-5248-11D9-BBDB-000A95B0041E@jpkvideo.net> References: <94BB28E2-5248-11D9-BBDB-000A95B0041E@jpkvideo.net> Message-ID: <20041220123619.GE8140@server.onjapan.net> On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 09:32:47PM -0800, JP Kelly wrote: > I have mailman 2.1.5 installed on OSX Panther with exim as the MTA. > When mailman attempts to send messages I get the following message in > smtp-error log: > > Low level smtp error: (7, 'No address associated with nodename') It looks like the Mailman machine can't look up the IP address of mailman.jpkvideo.net. Is DNS working locally? -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From msapiro at value.net Mon Dec 20 18:48:00 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:48:00 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No address associated with nodename In-Reply-To: <94BB28E2-5248-11D9-BBDB-000A95B0041E@jpkvideo.net> Message-ID: JP Kelly wrote: > >Supposedly Exim does not need to be told about aliases But it does need to be properly configured for Mailman. See README.EXIM and/or http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From markus.frahm at wohnheime.studentenwerk-hamburg.de Mon Dec 20 19:23:47 2004 From: markus.frahm at wohnheime.studentenwerk-hamburg.de (Markus Frahm) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:23:47 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] view all members of a list on one page Message-ID: <200412201923.48026.markus.frahm@wohnheime.studentenwerk-hamburg.de> Hello, is it possible to see all members of a list on one page ,regardless of how many users are subscribed to this list and not just those with the same beginning letter? We are using mailman version 2.1.4. Greetings Markus Frahm From markus.frahm at wohnheime.studentenwerk-hamburg.de Mon Dec 20 19:25:29 2004 From: markus.frahm at wohnheime.studentenwerk-hamburg.de (Markus Frahm) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:25:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] view all members of a list on one page Message-ID: <200412201925.29223.markus.frahm@wohnheime.studentenwerk-hamburg.de> Hello, is it possible to see all members of a list on one page ,regardless of how many users are subscribed to this list and not just those with the same beginning letter? We are using mailman version 2.1.4. Greetings Markus Frahm From sean at sweetbourbon.com Mon Dec 20 19:32:29 2004 From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 13:32:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] probe messages Message-ID: Hi, Is there any way to turn off probe messages being sent but still have bounce processing on? -Sean From listuser at jpkvideo.net Mon Dec 20 20:25:58 2004 From: listuser at jpkvideo.net (JP Kelly) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:25:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [still] No address associated with nodename In-Reply-To: <20041220123619.GE8140@server.onjapan.net> References: <94BB28E2-5248-11D9-BBDB-000A95B0041E@jpkvideo.net> <20041220123619.GE8140@server.onjapan.net> Message-ID: > On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 09:32:47PM -0800, JP Kelly wrote: >> I have mailman 2.1.5 installed on OSX Panther with exim as the MTA. >> When mailman attempts to send messages I get the following message in >> smtp-error log: >> >> Low level smtp error: (7, 'No address associated with nodename') > > It looks like the Mailman machine can't look up the IP address > of mailman.jpkvideo.net. Is DNS working locally? > Yes I have DNS running locally with the mailman.jpkvideo.net. zone existing. I find it interesting that nothing appears in the exim/MTA log even in debug mode. It seems mailman is not contacting exim at all. Is there a way to run mailman in debug mode? It would be helpful to know what is the actual name of the nodename mailman is trying to use. From msapiro at value.net Mon Dec 20 20:49:08 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:49:08 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] view all members of a list on one page In-Reply-To: <200412201923.48026.markus.frahm@wohnheime.studentenwerk-hamburg.de> Message-ID: Markus Frahm wrote: >is it possible to see all members of a list on one page ,regardless of how >many users are subscribed to this list and not just those with the same >beginning letter? We are using mailman version 2.1.4. You can go to the list roster - e.g. http://www.example.com/mailman/roster/list-name, but this shows only e-mail addresses and does not show members who've opted to "Conceal yourself from subscriber list?". If you actually want the Membership Management... page to show all members on one page, you have to set the list's admin_member_chunksize attribute to a value greater than the number of list members. You need to use bin/withlist to do this. The default value is DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 30 in Defaults.py. This can be changed in mm_cfg.py, but changes won't affect existing lists. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Mon Dec 20 20:59:17 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:59:17 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem displaying & in list footer In-Reply-To: <41C62578.7030701@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: Bob McLeran wrote: >Using the administrative pages, the Non-Digest options sections, the >last item on the page is "Footer added to mail sent to regular list >members." I want to add a footer containing the & character as part of >the text, but when I put the ampersand (&) in the footer text, it >doesn't display - in fact it displays"&" and some other characters. Text entries on the admin pages are processed through cgi.escape() which converts "<", ">" and "&" to "<", ">" and "&" respectively. This is done to prevent a malicious list owner from including HTML scripts in text which is ultimately rendered on web pages including the admin pages themselves. >How do I get the ampersand to display properly in the text? You can use bin/config_list or bin/withlist to replace msg_footer with the text you want. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jwblist at olympus.net Mon Dec 20 21:01:40 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:01:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No address associated with nodename In-Reply-To: <94BB28E2-5248-11D9-BBDB-000A95B0041E@jpkvideo.net> Message-ID: On 12/19/2004 21:32, "JP Kelly" wrote: > I have mailman 2.1.5 installed on OSX Panther with exim as the MTA. > When mailman attempts to send messages I get the following message in > smtp-error log: > > Low level smtp error: (7, 'No address associated with nodename') > > nothing appears in the exim/MTA log. > > any ideas on what to do or where to look? Not really. The string 'No address associated with nodename' doesn't appear in either the Mailman code or the Exim (4.43) source. The word nodename doesn't appear in the Mailman source...it appears 4 times in the Exim source, but given the four contexts, that doesn't seem relevant. So it's likely being looked up in some generic error file, by someone. You might want to add some logging in your Exim configuration. Best discussion is in Philip Hazel's "red" book on Exim (the one published in England, not the O'Reilly book which covers an old version of Exim). For example, putting log_selector = +smtp_connection will log lines for each start and end of an SMTP connection. You might learn something from that output. (Aside from the Exim book, the selectors are also listed in the doc/spec.txt file in the Exim source code directory, and in HTML form at (go to section 45.45 either via the contents page, or via the options, log_selector in the left frame). --John From msapiro at value.net Mon Dec 20 22:35:20 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 13:35:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2nd Question: BypassingConfirmation/Approval for New Subscribers In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041219203736.112cc990@mail.actionpa.org> Message-ID: Mike Ewall wrote: > >I tried out the wget method mentioned below, but it doesn't seem to work >for me either. Trying them through a browser gives me a "CGI script error" >stating "Error: No such list [listname]." Trying the commands while SSH'd >into the server gives errors as well. > >Any idea why the wget methods described in the thread earlier this month >(http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-December/041209.html) >wouldn't work? The part of the URI to the left of the "?" in e.g. http://[domain.name]/mailman/admin/[listname]/members/add?subscribees=[user_email_address]&adminpw=[admin_password]&send_welcome_msg_to_this_batch=0&send_notifications_to_list_owner=0 should be exactly the same as the URI of the Membership Management...->Mass Subscription page in your web admin interface for the list. Is that the case in your tests? Also, the "[" and "]" around the domain.name, listname, user email address and admin password are to indicate that these are "variables". They are not literally included in the URI. If what you tried is "correct" with these things in mind, then I have no idea why it doesn't work. When I do it, it returns the Mass Subscription page with a Successfully subscribed indication for [user email address]. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From drjones at vii.com Mon Dec 20 22:52:57 2004 From: drjones at vii.com (Dr. Jones) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:52:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation clean, without internationlization? Message-ID: <41C749B9.40104@vii.com> Is it possible to install mailman without all the other language options, which I never plan on using? can I limit the language modules installed to just English, Spanish and German? I am going to uninstall my Mailman installation. Any suggestions on how best to install? I run Debian 3.0. Does apt-get install work ok, or should i get the source and compile by hand? Scott -- Dr. Scott S. Jones Hands-On Chiropractic IRC: irc.freenode.net #utah Yahoo: sanchiro12 From listuser at jpkvideo.net Mon Dec 20 23:18:09 2004 From: listuser at jpkvideo.net (JP Kelly) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:18:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [continued] No address associated with nodename In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <076B434E-52D5-11D9-8902-000A95B0041E@jpkvideo.net> I have mailman 2.1.5 installed on OSX Panther with exim as the MTA. When mailman attempts to send messages I get the following message in smtp-error log: Low level smtp error: (7, 'No address associated with nodename') nothing appears in the exim log even after adding log_selector = +smtp_connection (log smtp connections) to exim config file also no smtp traffic appears in tcpdump while mailman is attempting to deliver messages ----------------------------- Jon-Paul Kelly A11 SA TEX jp at jpkvideo.com ----web hosting---- http://www.jpkvideo.net From e_studios1 at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 20 23:45:16 2004 From: e_studios1 at bellsouth.net (Enrique Vega) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:45:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regexp topics In-Reply-To: <41C5DCAE.506@value.net> References: <41C5DCAE.506@value.net> Message-ID: On Dec 19, 2004, at 2:55 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > If members could ask to NOT receive certain topics, they then could > ask for "not OffTopic", but I don't think you can do that. I think the > best one can do is subscribe to all topics of interest and maybe also > choose to receive messages that don't match any topic. > > The problem is that any time a new topic is added, each member who has > done the above will then have to explicitly subscribe to the new topic > to get those messages. I've got it figured out to have a way for OT: or YAK: to be filtered on a list that doesn't have any other topics. I set up 2 topics. The first one filters a simple space. \ \| The above topic is set to checked The second one filters OT/YAK ot:| yak:| xidtdesdlmiezls The above topic is set to unchecked Then the option for; "Do you want to receive messages that do not match any topic filter?" Is set to "NO" What happens with the above setup is that everything is sent except OT: or YAK: Now, my biggest question is: How can I set mailman to have the above settings set by DEFAULT for each user that is subscribing to the list? I found nothing in mm_cfg.py. I also looked around a bit, but did not find anything that I could modify for a default setting. If I can set these defaults, then my mail list subscribers will have little to do to set their topic filters. Thanks in advance! enrique From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 21 00:45:04 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:45:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regexp topics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Enrique Vega wrote: > >Now, my biggest question is: > >How can I set mailman to have the above settings set by DEFAULT for >each user that is subscribing to the list? I found nothing in >mm_cfg.py. I also looked around a bit, but did not find anything that I >could modify for a default setting. If I can set these defaults, then >my mail list subscribers will have little to do to set their topic >filters. All new list members have no topic subscriptions and receive all list messages by default. There is no list setting to change this. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From e_studios1 at bellsouth.net Tue Dec 21 02:34:55 2004 From: e_studios1 at bellsouth.net (Enrique Vega) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:34:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regexp topics In-Reply-To: References: <41C5DCAE.506@value.net> Message-ID: <8474D6D9-52F0-11D9-82F6-000393A6BC22@bellsouth.net> On Dec 20, 2004, at 5:45 PM, Enrique Vega wrote: > I've got it figured out to have a way for OT: or YAK: to be filtered > on a list that doesn't have any other topics. I set up 2 topics. The > first one filters a simple space. I am going to have to apologies to anyone who tries to set up the topics as I did. My method DID NOT WORK! X-Topics: On Topic Off Topic (OT: or YAK:) Seems mailman lists more than one topic if it meets the criteria for other topics. Makes sense. However, It doesn't work for what I was trying to do. I was trying to filter a space [ ] for On Topic and filter for OT: or YAK: for Off Topic. The thing is that even the off topics have space... This is one of the reasons I would never make it as a programer 8-) I'm just going to turn off Topics! enrique ps: Mark, thank you for the instructions on regrep! From jwt at OnJapan.net Tue Dec 21 03:33:50 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:33:50 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [still] No address associated with nodename In-Reply-To: References: <94BB28E2-5248-11D9-BBDB-000A95B0041E@jpkvideo.net> <20041220123619.GE8140@server.onjapan.net> Message-ID: <20041221023350.GT15604@server.onjapan.net> On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 11:25:58AM -0800, JP Kelly wrote: > >On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 09:32:47PM -0800, JP Kelly wrote: > >>I have mailman 2.1.5 installed on OSX Panther with exim as the MTA. > >>When mailman attempts to send messages I get the following message in > >>smtp-error log: > >> > >> Low level smtp error: (7, 'No address associated with nodename') > > > >It looks like the Mailman machine can't look up the IP address > >of mailman.jpkvideo.net. Is DNS working locally? > > Yes I have DNS running locally with the mailman.jpkvideo.net. zone > existing. > I find it interesting that nothing appears in the exim/MTA log even in > debug mode. > It seems mailman is not contacting exim at all. That is what the error message is telling you. Mailman's connection via Python's smtplib is failing because it is not successfully looking up mailman.jpkvideo.net (which is how you've overridden the default for SMTPHOST in your mm_cfg.py). (Does 'telnet mailman.jpkvideo.net 25' from the Mailman machine actually succeed?) > Is there a way to run mailman in debug mode? > It would be helpful to know what is the actual name of the nodename > mailman is trying to use. In Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py you could stick a: syslog('debug', 'SMTPDirect connection to %s', mm_cfg.SMTPHOST) in the Connection class's def__connect(). -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From acc at anthonychavez.org Tue Dec 21 04:20:39 2004 From: acc at anthonychavez.org (Anthony Chavez) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:20:39 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Poster not receiving his own posts References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:24:23 -0800 Mark Sapiro wrote: > If you do not want to receive your own posts, the setting that controls > this is called "not metoo" on the admin membership list and is > described as "Receive your own posts to the list?" on the user's > options page. > > The setting called "nodupes" on the admin membership list is described > as "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" on the user's options page. Mark: Here I think that we've sufficiently distilled this matter. I've forwarded your post to the affected user and suggested that he clear his nodupes bit (he does, in fact, make a habit of CC:'ing himself), which I'm quite certain should fix the problem. Thanks for clarifying this for us. - -- Anthony Chavez http://anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc at anthonychavez.org jabber:acc at jabber.anthonychavez.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (Darwin) iD8DBQFBx5aIbZTbIaRBRXERArW3AJ9EYpPWb1EiTjzDL52FvjhP1Z9LTACZAcaw 6+J/fvlY4CsORw6TwWW11C0= =tA0S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From listuser at jpkvideo.net Tue Dec 21 07:29:20 2004 From: listuser at jpkvideo.net (JP Kelly) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:29:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [still] No address associated with nodename In-Reply-To: <20041221023350.GT15604@server.onjapan.net> References: <94BB28E2-5248-11D9-BBDB-000A95B0041E@jpkvideo.net> <20041220123619.GE8140@server.onjapan.net> <20041221023350.GT15604@server.onjapan.net> Message-ID: >>>> I have mailman 2.1.5 installed on OSX Panther with exim as the MTA. >>>> When mailman attempts to send messages I get the following message >>>> in >>>> smtp-error log: >>>> >>>> Low level smtp error: (7, 'No address associated with nodename') >> ms mailman is not contacting exim at all. > > That is what the error message is telling you. Mailman's > connection via Python's smtplib is failing because it is not > successfully looking up mailman.jpkvideo.net (which is how > you've overridden the default for SMTPHOST in your mm_cfg.py). > (Does 'telnet mailman.jpkvideo.net 25' from the Mailman machine > actually succeed?) Yes it does: telnet mailman.jpkvideo.net 25 Trying 63.198.201.218... Connected to adsl-63-198-201-218.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net. I am testing this on a DSL static ip and the reverse lookup resolves to adsl-63-198-201-218.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net. could that be the problem? > >> Is there a way to run mailman in debug mode? >> It would be helpful to know what is the actual name of the nodename >> mailman is trying to use. > > In Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py you could stick a: > syslog('debug', 'SMTPDirect connection to %s', mm_cfg.SMTPHOST) > in the Connection class's def__connect(). Thanks I gave that a try and it is indeed trying to connect to mailman.jpkvideo.net could it be due to the reverse lookup resolving to adsl-63-198-201-218.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net. rather than the ip? From igueths at lava-net.com Tue Dec 21 07:43:32 2004 From: igueths at lava-net.com (Igor Gueths) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 01:43:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not interpreting FQDN properly? Message-ID: <20041221064332.GA10270@lava-net.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all. I've gotten considerably further in my figuring out why I never get any notification messages from Mailman (that would explain why I never got anything back from my testlist (s). I did come upon something that might give me a hint however. I went to http://lava-net.com/mailman/create, and filled in all the fields as requested in the list creation form. On the resulting page, I then noticed this: Error: Unknown virtual host: lava-net.com In mm_cfg.py, I have defined DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lava-net.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.lava-net.com' I also added add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) below my changes, and that didn't have any effect either. I really didn't see why I would have to add in add_virtual_host, since I'm not doing virtual domain hosting. Does anyone know how I can get it so Mailman will actually believe lava-net.com to be the FQDN? One thing I forgot to mention earlier...In Defaults.py, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST was set to Shadwiga (that's the local hostname of this box). And I believe that DEFAULT_URL was set to the local hostname as well. Is Mailman actually trying to virtualize lava-net.com to the hostname or some dirivitive? This is all occuring on Mailman-2.1.5. Thanks! - - -- "The answer to life, the universe, and everything is 42." -- Douglas Adams - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBx79CNohoaf1zXJMRAgByAJ4oDGzCKp9pjpIrXgHS23cFEKfhAQCfXag4 RnqHv/p+ARQvPVnsfXzK9vQ= =Nm++ - -----END PGP SIGNATURE- - - - -- "The answer to life, the universe, and everything is 42." -- Douglas Adams -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBx8YUNohoaf1zXJMRAhm0AJ4v/ix4hXRA374uQBV73vfKTWGPzQCfSiSy folVe7gZC+9fh2r5Lh6lz2o= =n6ae -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Dec 21 09:33:01 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:33:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation clean, without internationlization? In-Reply-To: <41C749B9.40104@vii.com> References: <41C749B9.40104@vii.com> Message-ID: At 2:52 PM -0700 2004-12-20, Dr. Jones wrote: > Is it possible to install mailman without all the other language options, > which I never plan on using? Not that I know of. > can I limit the language modules installed > to just English, Spanish and German? Not that I know of. So far as I can tell, all the various language stuff is under templates/ and messages/, and comprises a total of about 15008KB (uncompressed), while the total unpacked source distribution is about 21824KB (uncompressed). You might be able to get away with just deleting all the language subdirectories you don't need, but I wouldn't count on that. > I am going to uninstall my Mailman installation. Any suggestions on how > best to install? I run Debian 3.0. Does apt-get install work ok, or > should i get the source and compile by hand? Depends on what you're looking for. The Debian apt-get method may result in a Mailman installation that works the way you want, in a Debian-ized way, or it may be frustrating to you. If you install from source, it will be easier for others on the list who also install from source to be able to help you based on their own experience (even if they might have other platforms/OSes), but then you won't be able to get as much help from other Debian-based sources. My personal preference would be to install from source, but I know that others might disagree with this choice. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From tarmstrong at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 10:44:48 2004 From: tarmstrong at gmail.com (thomas Armstrong) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:44:48 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] /bin/sh: mailman: command not found Message-ID: Hi. I'm trying to configure Mailman on my Linux server with Sendmail. 1) I installed it on '/usr/lib/mailman/' 2) I created a crontab (as root): $ crontab /usr/lib/mailman/cron/crontab.in -u mailman I'm able to subscribe a new user, but when trying to send a new message to the mail list, I don't get any answer. There is also no message within the list archive. And I'm getting this mail within my '/var/spool/mail/root': ----------------------------------------------------- To: mailman at foo.com Subject: Cron mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: /bin/sh: mailman: command not found ----------------------------------------------- What am I doing wrong? Thank you very much. From jimka at rdrop.com Tue Dec 21 11:59:02 2004 From: jimka at rdrop.com (jimk's second account) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:59:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting emails from emergency moderated list In-Reply-To: <20041221064332.GA10270@lava-net.com> References: <20041221064332.GA10270@lava-net.com> Message-ID: <41C801F6.7060508@rdrop.com> about a week or week and a half ago, i turned on emergency modification of my mailing list. but still users are complaining that they are getting 10 to 50 emails per day from the list. When i look at the mails they seem to be dated around the 15th of december, and today is the 21st. Any idea why this is still happening? Any idea how to stop it? -jim From jimka at rdrop.com Tue Dec 21 12:09:37 2004 From: jimka at rdrop.com (jimk's second account) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:09:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail from emergency moderated list Message-ID: <41C80471.5090005@rdrop.com> here is a copy of an email i recevied today (20 dec) sent to the mmsa-readers at rdrop.com alias. However, the list has emergency moderation set to ON. Why am I still getting these emails? Lots of people on the mailing list are complaining. Is there anything i can do about it? -jim -------- Original Message -------- From: - Tue Dec 21 12:02:14 2004 X-UIDL: ]-R!!7~F"!jaV"!Ym>"! X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Received: from agora.rdrop.com (92 at localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iBLAMeNr025963; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 02:30:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mmsa-readers-bounces at rdrop.com) Received: from web42003.mail.yahoo.com (web42003.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.171]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id iBFI30PA031420 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:03:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gerardoab at yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 11968 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2004 18:02:50 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=cAREY9ANnHVdZTE3z4uT1YcMZoNdzG8Puh6vKfimUOsLs60X1TjA46ulqokEMgZkBGexgOLuEQ5eFi4BkbCWJ9rvCOHeygeCIvNzV1wrwq2Ni3SpWAObvYNRp5IY1yFKWkbtxQgtiKIczOSKUw6Ac3+nJ0//5Af7/ynjy8L1iX4= ; Message-ID: <20041215180250.11958.qmail at web42003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.144.234.75] by web42003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:02:49 PST Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:02:49 -0800 (PST) From: Iam Anon Subject: Re: [mmsa-readers] another test To: mmsa-readers at rdrop.com In-Reply-To: <014a01c4e1ed$53c821a0$0130fea9 at userbaw6ei4v5j> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: mmsa-readers at rdrop.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mmsa-readers-bounces at rdrop.com Errors-To: mmsa-readers-bounces at rdrop.com X-UIDL: ]-R!!7~F"!jaV"!Ym>"! can i test this, too? --- mmsa-readers at rdrop.com wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 9:31 PM > Subject: Re: [mmsa-readers] another test > > > > You're welcome. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 4:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [mmsa-readers] another test > > > > > >> it does work thanks > >> > >>>From: mmsa-readers at rdrop.com > >>>To: mmsa-readers at rdrop.com > >>>Subject: Re: [mmsa-readers] another test > >>>Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:29:33 -0800 (PST) > >>> > >>>It works! > >>> > >>>--- mmsa-readers at rdrop.com wrote: > >>> > >>> > hello? > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > mmsa-readers mailing list > >>> > mmsa-readers at rdrop.com > >>> > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/mmsa-readers > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>>===== > >>> > >>> > >>>test'; "> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>__________________________________ > >>>Do you Yahoo!? > >>>The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > >>>http://my.yahoo.com > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>mmsa-readers mailing list > >>>mmsa-readers at rdrop.com > >>>http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/mmsa-readers > >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! > Download today - it's > >> FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> mmsa-readers mailing list > >> mmsa-readers at rdrop.com > >> > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/mmsa-readers > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mmsa-readers mailing list > > mmsa-readers at rdrop.com > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/mmsa-readers > > > _______________________________________________ > mmsa-readers mailing list > mmsa-readers at rdrop.com > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/mmsa-readers > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ mmsa-readers mailing list mmsa-readers at rdrop.com http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/mmsa-readers From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Tue Dec 21 12:58:46 2004 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:58:46 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail from emergency moderated list In-Reply-To: <41C80471.5090005@rdrop.com> References: <41C80471.5090005@rdrop.com> Message-ID: <41C80FF6.4070207@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> jimk's second account wrote: > here is a copy of an email i recevied today (20 dec) > sent to the mmsa-readers at rdrop.com alias. However, > the list has emergency moderation set to ON. > Why am I still getting these emails? Looks like this one was queued on 15 before the emergency moderation was turned on and delayed until today. If you have shell access and mailman privilege, then you can stop mailman qrunners by bin/mailmanctl stop and inspect the queue files in queues/*. > Lots of people on the mailing list are > complaining. Is there anything i can do > about it? > > -jim > > -------- Original Message -------- > From: - Tue Dec 21 12:02:14 2004 > X-UIDL: ]-R!!7~F"!jaV"!Ym>"! > X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 > X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > Received: from agora.rdrop.com (92 at localhost [127.0.0.1]) by > agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iBLAMeNr025963; Tue, 21 > Dec 2004 02:30:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from > mmsa-readers-bounces at rdrop.com) > Received: from web42003.mail.yahoo.com (web42003.mail.yahoo.com > [66.218.93.171]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id > iBFI30PA031420 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 > 10:03:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gerardoab at yahoo.com) -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From Terry.Poperszky at SOSStaffing.Com Tue Dec 21 15:46:55 2004 From: Terry.Poperszky at SOSStaffing.Com (Terry Poperszky) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:46:55 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accepting non-List members email Message-ID: <41C8375F.7040604@SOSStaffing.Com> I am looking for a replacement for the distribution lists that we currently house in MS Exchange, the moderated lists work well for those distribution lists that we have that have restricted senders, but the vast majority of our distribution lists are used in dealing with the outside world and accept email from non-members. Now, I can simply set those up in the aliases file, but my goal would be to give my administration team a single place for both types of lists. So, looking the FAQ I do not see this issue addressed, can someone shed some light on this question? -- Terry Poperszky SOS Staffing Services Network Manager 801-257-5709 Terry.Poperszky at SOSStaffing.Com From yenen at tureb.org.tr Fri Dec 17 14:01:11 2004 From: yenen at tureb.org.tr (Serif Yenen) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:01:11 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan archiving system Message-ID: <00e901c4e438$8546fce0$6200a8c0@SERIFYENEN2> Dear Sir, MailMan archiving system is perfect, but editing the archives (deleting them one by one) is almost impossible. Isn't there an easy system to delete very old messages collectively? Thanks, Serif Yenen Rehberler at list.tureb.org.tr From andrew at sevenender.com Tue Dec 14 06:06:15 2004 From: andrew at sevenender.com (Andrew Zolty) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:06:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list just stopped working Message-ID: We have version 2.1.5 running off our server and have been using it for over a year and it has worked great. All of a sudden - and we haven't touched a thing server-side, we no longer are able to write to our mailing list. Nothing appears in the archive, the message is definitely sent, but the mailing list never seems to receive it. Any ideas? From allon at radioactive.org Sat Dec 18 18:33:55 2004 From: allon at radioactive.org (Allon Stern) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:33:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request Message-ID: I have a feature request. I have multiple email addresses, and sometimes manage to send email to a list from the wrong account. In that event, the message is held for review by a moderator. A message is mailed back explaining this, with a link that I can follow to a webpage which gives me the option of cancelling the post. But I really AM a member of the mailing list. I just used the wrong from address. Why doesn't the web page also give the option of authenticating to the server using my mailman account and password, and let the message go through (maybe rewriting the from address in the process) ? That would be right handy. - allon From shax at united-radio.de Mon Dec 20 09:46:28 2004 From: shax at united-radio.de (Sascha 'sHaX' Solecki) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:46:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Radio Message-ID: <20041220083428.0F98114B6BA@mail.united-radio.de> Hello! We use Mailman too ;) United Radio is the biggest german online radio in the youth section. greets from germany Sascha Solecki From lorraine at lanecrrc.org Sun Dec 19 23:08:14 2004 From: lorraine at lanecrrc.org (Lorraine Kerwood) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:08:14 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on archives Message-ID: Hi there, We need to delete an archive of a new list serve we started. I can't find this option in the admin tools. Can you help me? There is some posted info that was mistakenly posted by a consultant.... Thanks so much for any help you can offer. lorraine --- Lorraine Kerwood, Administrative Coordinator Computer Reuse and Recycling Center, Home of MacRenewal 222 Polk Street Eugene, OR 97402 USA PHONE: (541) 686-2366 FAX: (541) 686-0577 http://www.lanecrrc.org Rejuvenating Computers For Our Community A 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization HOURS: Saturday and Sunday: 9:00 AM - 3:00 PM Monday, Thursday and Friday 11:00 AM until 6:00 PM CLOSED TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY Come on down! From miles at jamkit.com Mon Dec 20 12:50:13 2004 From: miles at jamkit.com (Miles Waller) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:50:13 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long subject lines get extra padding from mailman Message-ID: <41C6BC75.9000200@jamkit.com> Hi, I have verified this problem in mailman versions 2.1.2 and 2.1.5. The problem seems to be that the second and subsequent lines of a long header are indented when they are folded onto new lines. From my basic testing, the isseu seems to be related to the presence of the indents, rather than the actual line breaks. The impact is that several mail clients (tested thunderbird 0.9, outlook express 5.5, outlook 2000) try faithfully to display all the extra spaces between words, causing a gap to appear in the subject line which can be quite noticeable in certain circumstances. Here is a sample of the headers: Return-Path: Received: from localhost.localdomain ([10.0.0.60]) by asdf.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iBKBXGeT024208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:33:16 GMT Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBKBReIa008262 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:27:40 GMT Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:27:40 GMT Message-Id: <200412201127.iBKBReIa008262 at localhost.localdomain> To: asdfm at asdf.com From: asdf at jasdf.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: Subject: This is a really long subject line. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog, but the dog wasn't so lazy after all! The fox had roused a sleeping giant, so to speak, and that dog jumped right up and bit him on the behind! Not quick enough, Mr Fox! X-BeenThere: previewlist-text at localhost.localdomain X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Sender: previewlist-text-bounces at asdf.com Errors-To: previewlist-text-bounces at asdf.com X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is this a bug in mailman, or is it something in the list settings that I can change? Has anyone else had this problem, and how have they worked round it? Thanks, Miles From boyd2003 at ddh.nl Mon Dec 20 18:55:55 2004 From: boyd2003 at ddh.nl (Admin at dDH) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:55:55 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feedback/ideas on Mailman Message-ID: <41C7122B.5070807@ddh.nl> Hi, I'm not a programmer, but maintain many Mailman lists. We run version 2.0.11 on a Debian server. I'd like to give input somewhere on some problem solutions we've came up with and ideas for problem solving. Right now, confronted with loads of spam to list -admin and owner- addresses, I'd like to propose 3 possible measures: - Not putting the -admin adresses in every header, but a web link (possibly: a general, multi language help page) - Doing the same with -request addresses. Does not reach the owner, but can be a subtantial load for the server. - Being able to change the owner- and -admin part on a per list and per server basis. (Example: change -admin to -2004admin or maintainer03, etc.) In that case, putting the addresses in the header would not do that much harm, you can change it - A automatic, not publicized mailing list of all list-owners on a server, for announcements, support etc. Best, Boyd Noorda -- N.B. Het afzender- en antwoord-adres van deze E-mail zijn tijdelijk. Neem deze adressen s.v.p. niet op in adresboek of verzendlijst. Actuele dDH adressen: http://www.ddh.nl/contact Note: The sender and reply-to addresses of this E-mail are temporary. Please do not add these addresses to addressbooks or lists. Current dDH addresses: http://www.ddh.nl/contact From markus.frahm at wohnheime.studentenwerk-hamburg.de Mon Dec 20 19:23:47 2004 From: markus.frahm at wohnheime.studentenwerk-hamburg.de (Markus Frahm) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:23:47 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] view all members of a list on one page Message-ID: <200412201923.48026.markus.frahm@wohnheime.studentenwerk-hamburg.de> Hello, is it possible to see all members of a list on one page ,regardless of how many users are subscribed to this list and not just those with the same beginning letter? We are using mailman version 2.1.4. Greetings Markus Frahm From networksupport at netc.net.au Tue Dec 21 02:23:27 2004 From: networksupport at netc.net.au (NetC Network Support) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:23:27 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman processing queued messages - not working Message-ID: Hi, Our mailman installation is not processing queued mail. Postifx delivers it (relay=mailman) and it ends up in the qfiles directory. After that, nothing happens to it. System info: - mailman 2.0.3 (ports i think) - FreeBSD 4.8 - Postfix Processes: mailman 20016 0.0 0.0 628 244 ?? Is 11:50AM 0:00.00 /bin/sh -c /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/Mailman/cron/qrunner mailman 20018 0.0 1.1 7308 5832 ?? S 11:50AM 0:00.24 /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/Mailman/cron/qrunner Active mailman cron entries: 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/Mailman/cron/qrunner 27 3 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/Mailman/cron/nightly_gzip 0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/Mailman/cron/mailpasswds 0 12 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/Mailman/cron/senddigests 0 17 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/Mailman/cron/checkdbs N.B. Lock files get created (qrunner.lock) with a timestamp of 21st December at 21:50, even though the system time is: Tue Dec 21 12:06:36 EST 2004 -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 63 Dec 21 21:50 qrunner.lock..20018 -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 63 Dec 21 21:50 qrunner.lock Only logfile being updated recently is qrunner: (taken at 12:05) -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1685161 Dec 21 12:05 qrunner -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 3893027 Dec 21 11:02 smtp Containing nothing but: (etc.) Dec 21 11:45:01 2004 (19962) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 21 11:55:01 2004 (20070) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 21 12:00:01 2004 (20152) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 21 12:05:02 2004 (20191) Could not acquire qrunner lock Steps I have tried: (all unsuccessful) - sending test messages these hit postfix which delivers them to the mailman q the web interface does not show any pending administrator requests these lists all require approval - restarting the qrunner process - running qrunner by hand - no error output - removing the lock files - restarting cron - removing all qfile directory contents and sending test messages I must be doing something wrong. Everything was working until 5:05pm Friday (now 12:15pm Tuesday AEST). Nobody changed anything that I know of. Any pointers would be appreciated. Thanks, David Kellam Network Administrator NetC E-mail: networksupport at netc.net.au From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Dec 21 15:59:48 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:59:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] /bin/sh: mailman: command not found In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:44 AM +0100 2004-12-21, thomas Armstrong wrote: > ----------------------------------------------------- > To: mailman at foo.com > Subject: Cron mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > > /bin/sh: mailman: command not found The mailman program is typically found in /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailman, and the directory /usr/local/mailman/bin is not in your path. You either need to specify the full path to the binary in the cron job, or you need to make sure that the appropriate directory is in the search path. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Dec 21 16:02:15 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:02:15 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail from emergency moderated list In-Reply-To: <41C80471.5090005@rdrop.com> References: <41C80471.5090005@rdrop.com> Message-ID: At 12:09 PM +0100 2004-12-21, jimk's second account wrote: > Received: from agora.rdrop.com (92 at localhost [127.0.0.1]) by > agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iBLAMeNr025963; > Tue, 21 Dec 2004 02:30:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > mmsa-readers-bounces at rdrop.com) > Received: from web42003.mail.yahoo.com (web42003.mail.yahoo.com > [66.218.93.171]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP > id iBFI30PA031420 for ; > Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:03:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gerardoab at yahoo.com) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Received: (qmail 11968 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2004 18:02:50 -0000 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Looks like these messages got held up within the Yahoo! mail system, according to these date-time stamps. There's not a whole lot you can do about this, unfortunately. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From erleichda at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 17:54:37 2004 From: erleichda at gmail.com (blindman jones) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:54:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Single user's mail delayed ONLY to list Message-ID: I am using a mail list through a service provider, so I need some help with what questions to ask... I have a list, 10 users... 9 users send mail to list and their mail is sent out in minutes and all 10 users get the mail from the list... no problem. The 10th user sends a mail to the list and it is not sent back out to the list for 4-10 hours. Mail sent to anyone else in the world by the 10th user gets sent and delivered in minutes. We have tried unsubscribing and resubscribing his email to the list... doesn't help. I have looked through every possible option in the admin interface and we are stumped. Why would ONLY one users mail be delayed when sending to the list? What questions do I ask my service provider to get the information needed to figure this out? I know this is not a lot of info to get an immediate answer... but I need to figure this out... it is quite annoying and has left our friend frustrated. oh, and he and i have a second list on the same server and he sends one mail to the first list and then another to the second... the second list gets his post in minutes the first, again... is delayed for hours. What is even more frustrating is that it is not consistant... occasionally, the list likes him and his mails get posted in minutes. -- michael jones * erleichda archiving * usa From Terry.Poperszky at SOSStaffing.Com Tue Dec 21 18:01:28 2004 From: Terry.Poperszky at SOSStaffing.Com (Terry Poperszky) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:01:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accepting non-List members email In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041221104112.00afef48@pop.SoftHome.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041221104112.00afef48@pop.SoftHome.net> Message-ID: <41C856E8.6080102@SOSStaffing.Com> I give up, where do I click? Terry Poperszky SOS Staffing Services Network Manager 801-257-5709 Terry.Poperszky at SOSStaffing.Com Speedy Gonzalis wrote: > Yes, you can accept mail from non members. Just a click of a button does the trick. > > Tim > > At 09:46 AM 12/21/2004, Terry Poperszky wrote: > >>I am looking for a replacement for the distribution lists that we currently house in MS Exchange, the moderated lists work well for those distribution lists that we have that have restricted senders, but the vast majority of our distribution lists are used in dealing with the outside world and accept email from non-members. Now, I can simply set those up in the aliases file, but my goal would be to give my administration team a single place for both types of lists. >> >>So, looking the FAQ I do not see this issue addressed, can someone shed some light on this question? >> >>-- >>Terry Poperszky >>SOS Staffing Services >>Network Manager >>801-257-5709 >>Terry.Poperszky at SOSStaffing.Com >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users mailing list >>Mailman-Users at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From iane at sussex.ac.uk Tue Dec 21 18:28:58 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:28:58 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accepting non-List members email In-Reply-To: <41C856E8.6080102@SOSStaffing.Com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041221104112.00afef48@pop.SoftHome.net> <41C856E8.6080102@SOSStaffing.Com> Message-ID: --On Tuesday, December 21, 2004 10:01:28 GMT -0700 Terry Poperszky wrote: > I give up, where do I click? > > > Terry Poperszky > SOS Staffing Services > Network Manager > 801-257-5709 > Terry.Poperszky at SOSStaffing.Com > > > Speedy Gonzalis wrote: >> Yes, you can accept mail from non members. Just a click of a button >> does the trick. >> >> Tim >> >> At 09:46 AM 12/21/2004, Terry Poperszky wrote: >> >>> I am looking for a replacement for the distribution lists that we >>> currently house in MS Exchange, the moderated lists work well for those >>> distribution lists that we have that have restricted senders, but the >>> vast majority of our distribution lists are used in dealing with the >>> outside world and accept email from non-members. Now, I can simply set >>> those up in the aliases file, but my goal would be to give my >>> administration team a single place for both types of lists. >>> >>> So, looking the FAQ I do not see this issue addressed, can someone shed >>> some light on this question? >>> In Mailman? Or in MS Exchange? In mailman you have a great deal of control over who can post to a list. Its in the privacy options...sender page. Near the bottom of the page, set generic_nonmember_action to "accept". You're asking to get spammed if you let non-members post to a list, but if that's just a list of people inside your organisation, then that shouldn't be too much of a problem. -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 21 19:01:00 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:01:00 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan archiving system In-Reply-To: <00e901c4e438$8546fce0$6200a8c0@SERIFYENEN2> Message-ID: >MailMan archiving system is perfect, but editing the archives (deleting them >one by one) is almost impossible. Isn't there an easy system to delete very >old messages collectively? Have you seen the FAQ >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Article 3.3. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 21 19:02:23 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:02:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on archives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lorraine Kerwood wrote: >We need to delete an archive of a new list serve we started. I can't find >this option in the admin tools. Can you help me? There is some posted info >that was mistakenly posted by a consultant.... >Thanks so much for any help you can offer. See the FAQ >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Article 3.3. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 21 19:05:56 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:05:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list just stopped working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Andrew Zolty wrote: >We have version 2.1.5 running off our server and have been using it for >over a year and it has worked great. All of a sudden - and we haven't >touched a thing server-side, we no longer are able to write to our >mailing list. Nothing appears in the archive, the message is definitely >sent, but the mailing list never seems to receive it. Some or all of your qrunners have stopped. See the FAQ >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Article 3.14 for more on this and other ideas. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 21 19:21:39 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:21:39 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Allon Stern wrote: >I have a feature request. I have multiple email addresses, and >sometimes manage to send email to a list from the wrong account. In >that event, the message is held for review by a moderator. A message is >mailed back explaining this, with a link that I can follow to a webpage >which gives me the option of cancelling the post. > >But I really AM a member of the mailing list. I just used the wrong >from address. You could ask the list owner to add your alternate addresses to the accept_these_nonmembers filter or you could subscribe all your alternate addresses to the list and disable delivery to them. >Why doesn't the web page also give the option of authenticating to the >server using my mailman account and password, and let the message go >through (maybe rewriting the from address in the process) ? > >That would be right handy. Note there is a todo list for Mailman at http://www.list.org/todo.html which contains the entry # Have one account per user per site, with multiple email addresses and fallbacks. Allow them to subscribe whichever address they want to whichever list, with different options per subscription. This may address your issue in a different way. If you want to submit this as a feature request that will actually be seen by the developers and tracked, the best place to do that is http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=350103 -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From e_studios1 at bellsouth.net Tue Dec 21 19:31:10 2004 From: e_studios1 at bellsouth.net (Enrique Vega) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:31:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C8B3AC4-537E-11D9-82F6-000393A6BC22@bellsouth.net> On Dec 21, 2004, at 1:02 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Lorraine Kerwood wrote: > >> We need to delete an archive of a new list serve we started. I can't >> find >> this option in the admin tools. Can you help me? There is some posted >> info >> that was mistakenly posted by a consultant.... >> Thanks so much for any help you can offer. > > See the FAQ >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Article 3.3. Mark, Do you think there will ever be a browser based way to delete messages from the archives? Seems strange that this issue has not already been incorporated into mailman. enrique From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 21 19:43:15 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:43:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] /bin/sh: mailman: command not found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: thomas Armstrong wrote: > >I'm trying to configure Mailman on my Linux server with Sendmail. > >1) I installed it on '/usr/lib/mailman/' >2) I created a crontab (as root): >$ crontab /usr/lib/mailman/cron/crontab.in -u mailman > >I'm able to subscribe a new user, but when trying to send a new message to >the mail list, I don't get any answer. There is also no message within the >list archive. > >And I'm getting this mail within my '/var/spool/mail/root': >----------------------------------------------------- >To: mailman at foo.com >Subject: Cron mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news ^^^^^^^ >X-Cron-Env: >X-Cron-Env: >X-Cron-Env: >X-Cron-Env: >X-Cron-Env: > >/bin/sh: mailman: command not found >----------------------------------------------- > >What am I doing wrong? Thank you very much. There is something wrong with the options you used when you ran configure. The command "mailman" indicated above should be the command to invoke Python and it also normally has a -S option too. As for non-delivery, you may not have put the aliases in Sendmail or your qrunners may not be running or ... See the FAQ >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Article 3.14 for more. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dazam at socal.rr.com Tue Dec 21 19:44:31 2004 From: dazam at socal.rr.com (Dominik) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:44:31 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to with list's address in CC field Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20041221103227.095d9e98@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Hi all, I'll do like all newbies seem to do and blatantly come out and state that I'm a newbie, to this list and mailman itself, in hopes of procuring the elite's pity, patience and self restraint. My question: Is it possible to have mailman put the list's address in the CC portion, on top of having the actual poster in the Reply-To address? The goal being that anyone could hit 'reply' to respond to the poster, but 'reply all' to respond to the poster and have the reply go to the list as well. Thanks in advance and sorry for any potential n00bieness in my question, Dominik From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 21 19:56:21 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:56:21 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation clean, without internationlization? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brad Knowles wrote: >At 2:52 PM -0700 2004-12-20, Dr. Jones wrote: > >> Is it possible to install mailman without all the other language options, >> which I never plan on using? > > Not that I know of. > >> can I limit the language modules installed >> to just English, Spanish and German? > > Not that I know of. > > > So far as I can tell, all the various language stuff is under >templates/ and messages/, and comprises a total of about 15008KB >(uncompressed), while the total unpacked source distribution is about >21824KB (uncompressed). > > You might be able to get away with just deleting all the language >subdirectories you don't need, but I wouldn't count on that. Look at the very end of Defaults.py for the stuff that defines the LC_DESCRIPTIONS dictionary. A way to deal with this is to copy all of this from the comment preceding "def _(s):" through "del _" to mm_cfg.py deleting those add_language lines you don't want (but don't delete 'en'). Then you can also delete the corresponding language directories from templates/ and messages/. Disclaimer: I haven't tried this, but I think it should work. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 21 20:10:26 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:10:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not interpreting FQDN properly? In-Reply-To: <20041221064332.GA10270@lava-net.com> Message-ID: Igor Gueths wrote: > >Hi all. I've gotten considerably further in my figuring out why I never >get any notification messages from Mailman (that would explain why I >never got anything back from my testlist (s). I did come upon something >that might give me a hint however. I went to >http://lava-net.com/mailman/create, and filled in all the fields as >requested in the list creation form. On the resulting page, I then >noticed this: Error: Unknown virtual host: lava-net.com > >In mm_cfg.py, I have defined DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lava-net.com' >DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.lava-net.com' >I also added add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) below >my changes, and that didn't have any effect either. I really didn't see >why I would have to add in add_virtual_host, since I'm not doing virtual >domain hosting. Does anyone know how I can get it so Mailman will >actually believe lava-net.com to be the FQDN? With the above values for DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST you should be going to http://www.lava-net.com/mailman/create to create a list. If you really want your web host to be 'lava-net.com' then that's what you should have in mm_cfg.py for both DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST. Once you make this change, you need to run fix_url to fix the list. >One thing I forgot to >mention earlier...In Defaults.py, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST was set to Shadwiga >(that's the local hostname of this box). And I believe that DEFAULT_URL >was set to the local hostname as well. Is Mailman actually trying to >virtualize lava-net.com to the hostname or some dirivitive? This is all >occuring on Mailman-2.1.5. Thanks! When the values in Defaults.py for DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST are wrong, it is a good idea to clear the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary in mm_cfg.py since the wrong values were added in Defaults.py and won't be removed unless you explicitly do so in mm_cfg.py. This is not absolutely necessary if those original defaults don't have the same value for DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST as one of the new ones, but it is a good idea. See the FAQ >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Article 4.29 for more detail on this. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From sean at sweetbourbon.com Tue Dec 21 20:18:14 2004 From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:18:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list just stopped working Message-ID: > We have version 2.1.5 running off our server and have been using it for > over a year and it has worked great. All of a sudden - and we haven't > touched a thing server-side, we no longer are able to write to our > mailing list. Nothing appears in the archive, the message is definitely > sent, but the mailing list never seems to receive it. > > Any ideas? Are the qrunners still running? Sean From msapiro at value.net Tue Dec 21 20:30:05 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:30:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail from emergency moderated list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brad Knowles wrote: >At 12:09 PM +0100 2004-12-21, jimk's second account wrote: > >> Received: from agora.rdrop.com (92 at localhost [127.0.0.1]) by >> agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iBLAMeNr025963; >> Tue, 21 Dec 2004 02:30:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> mmsa-readers-bounces at rdrop.com) >> Received: from web42003.mail.yahoo.com (web42003.mail.yahoo.com >> [66.218.93.171]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP >> id iBFI30PA031420 for ; >> Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:03:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gerardoab at yahoo.com) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Received: (qmail 11968 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2004 18:02:50 -0000 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Looks like these messages got held up within the Yahoo! mail >system, according to these date-time stamps. There's not a whole lot >you can do about this, unfortunately. I think Brad may have looked a little too quickly at this. It looks to me like the messages spent the 5+ days in agora.rdrop.com which looks like your Mailman server. Since the messages weren't caught in emergency moderation, they presumably got past that before you turned that on. Therefore they are either queued in Mailman or in the outgoing MTA. As Tokio said in another post >If you have shell access and mailman privilege, then you can >stop mailman qrunners by bin/mailmanctl stop and inspect the >queue files in queues/*. I think he meant qfiles/*. Look particularly in qfiles/out/ and qfiles/retry/. If you find message files there, you can just delete them, although if you delete everything, you might be deleting posts you want. If the messages arent queued in Mailman, they are probably in the MTA. if you have sufficient access, you may be able to use a 'mailq' command or something similar to identify which entries you can delete. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jdennis at redhat.com Tue Dec 21 20:30:32 2004 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:30:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Single user's mail delayed ONLY to list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1103657432.28003.28.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 11:54, blindman jones wrote: > I have a list, 10 users... 9 users send mail to list and their mail is > sent out in minutes and all 10 users get the mail from the list... no > problem. The 10th user sends a mail to the list and it is not sent > back out to the list for 4-10 hours. Mail sent to anyone else in the > world by the 10th user gets sent and delivered in minutes. I doubt this is an issue with mailman, rather with your service providers MTA (Mail Transport Agent). Mailman does not actually send the mail, rather it contacts the MTA and says "I have mail for these N addresses, would you please send them when you get a chance?". The MTA then queues the request, when the message is sent depends on a host of factors that often dynamically change (hence why the delay is not consistent or repeatable). Given both Mailman and the MTA are under the control of your service provider there is not much you can do as a list owner other than engage your service provider in tracking down the bottleneck. -- John Dennis From paul.williams at uwex.edu Tue Dec 21 20:51:19 2004 From: paul.williams at uwex.edu (Paul Williams) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:51:19 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: view all members of a list on one page In-Reply-To: <20041221180228.E859E1E4014@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20041221124120.00b61ef0@imap.uwex.edu> There is also an email-based interface for users (not administrators) of your list; you can get info about using it by sending a message with just the word `help' as subject or in the body, to: some-list-request at some.url Then you will receive the info that you can send the following command who password See everyone who is on this mailing list. The roster is limited to list administrators and moderators only; you must supply the list admin or moderator password to retrieve the roster. pw >Subject: [Mailman-Users] view all members of a list on one page >Message: 1 > >Hello, >is it possible to see all members of a list on one page ,regardless of how >many users are subscribed to this list and not just those with the same >beginning letter? We are using mailman version 2.1.4. > >Greetings > Markus Frahm From rhill at asis.org Tue Dec 21 22:02:28 2004 From: rhill at asis.org (Richard Hill) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:02:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird subscriptions Message-ID: <20041221210914.D1F56292E7C@mail.asis.org> Lately I've received a number of subscriptions with something such as: Plausiblename at logicaladdress.net to: wava at cleartalk.com From: wava at cleartalk.com BCC: mfweiss at aol.com X-GUID: 24115997-bb5e-4683-aac1-2b1d8a6dc876 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=abbbbmh --abbbbmh --abbbbmh-- . All the copy above was in the simple "address" box. I approved one and it screwed up looking at the list of subscribers. I've pinged the apparent subscribers, in this case Plausiblename at logicaladdress.net and all are bounces. Any experience in what causes this? Or how to stop it if these are spoof messages? Dick Hill _____ Richard B. Hill Executive Director American Society for Information Science and Technology 1320 Fenwick Lane, Suite 510 Silver Spring, MD 20910 Fax: (301) 495-0810 Voice: (301) 495-0900 From jerry at sandiego.edu Tue Dec 21 23:10:17 2004 From: jerry at sandiego.edu (Jerold Stratton) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:10:17 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: view all members of a list on one page In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20041221124120.00b61ef0@imap.uwex.edu> Message-ID: <18CD1A8E-539D-11D9-8B5B-000A959F54EC@sandiego.edu> >> is it possible to see all members of a list on one page ,regardless >> of how >> many users are subscribed to this list and not just those with the >> same >> beginning letter? We are using mailman version 2.1.4. This is not a default option, but it's easy enough to add if you are comfortable editing the python files. Note that this will add this feature to *all* administrative interfaces; line numbers may be slightly off. And always make backups. Mailman/Gui/Membership.py: add ('listall', _('List All')), to GetConfigSubCategories(self, category) Mailman/Cgi/admin.py line 488, add feature code to: if subcat not in ('list', 'add', 'remove'): i.e. if subcat not in ('list', 'add', 'remove', 'listall'): line 814 from: if len(all) < chunksz: to: if len(all) < chunksz or subcat == 'listall': Jerry jerry at sandiego.edu http://www.sandiego.edu/~jerry/ Serra 188B/x8773 -- "The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."--Douglas Adams (Mostly Harmless) From msapiro at value.net Wed Dec 22 01:35:41 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:35:41 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long subject lines get extra padding from mailman In-Reply-To: <41C6BC75.9000200@jamkit.com> Message-ID: Miles Waller wrote: > >I have verified this problem in mailman versions 2.1.2 and 2.1.5. The >problem seems to be that the second and subsequent lines of a long >header are indented when they are folded onto new lines. From my basic >testing, the isseu seems to be related to the presence of the indents, >rather than the actual line breaks. > >The impact is that several mail clients (tested thunderbird 0.9, outlook >express 5.5, outlook 2000) try faithfully to display all the extra >spaces between words, causing a gap to appear in the subject line which >can be quite noticeable in certain circumstances. I wouldn't rely on lookout - er outlook or outlook express to provide an example of correct behavior in am MUA. >Here is a sample of the headers: > >Subject: This is a really long subject line. The quick brown fox jumped > over the lazy dog, but the dog wasn't so lazy after all! The fox had roused > a sleeping giant, so to speak, and that dog jumped right up and bit him on > the behind! Not quick enough, Mr Fox! >X-BeenThere: previewlist-text at localhost.localdomain > >Is this a bug in mailman, or is it something in the list settings that I can change? >Has anyone else had this problem, and how have they worked round it? Actually, the indents are a single horizontal-tab character. The process of folding and unfolding long headers is described in RFC 2822, sec 2.2.3 (http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc2822.html#sec-2.2.3). The standard suggests that folding SHOULD be done at higher level syntactic breaks, but there are no such things in Subject: headers. I think it is actually wrong of Mailman to effectively change a "space" to a "tab" when it folds a Subject: header, so in that sense this is a bug, but that said, different MUAs will react differently to this. Many will still unfold in the RFC 822 way which drops the CRLF and the following white space character which results in words being run together at the folds. Others will just drop the CRLF which is the RFC 2822 way and effectively results here in a "space" being replaced by "tab". Everyone has the problem. I think most people just ignore it. The bug has been reported - http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=736559&group_id=103&atid=100103 -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Wed Dec 22 01:59:28 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:59:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Single user's mail delayed ONLY to list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: blindman jones wrote: >I am using a mail list through a service provider, so I need some help >with what questions to ask... > >I have a list, 10 users... 9 users send mail to list and their mail is >sent out in minutes and all 10 users get the mail from the list... no >problem. The 10th user sends a mail to the list and it is not sent >back out to the list for 4-10 hours. Mail sent to anyone else in the >world by the 10th user gets sent and delivered in minutes. > >We have tried unsubscribing and resubscribing his email to the list... >doesn't help. > >I have looked through every possible option in the admin interface and >we are stumped. > >Why would ONLY one users mail be delayed when sending to the list? I assume the obvious thing like "he's moderated" has been ruled out. >What questions do I ask my service provider to get the information >needed to figure this out? First you need to look at the chain of Received: headers in one or more of his posts as received from the list and figure out where the delay is occurring. Since the delay is only with his posts to the list, it probably occurs somewhere between the poster and the Mailman host, but the received headers will say for sure. Once you know where the delay is, you have a better idea who to contact. The same Received: headers are what you need to report to the admin(s) of the involved server(s). >I know this is not a lot of info to get an immediate answer... but I >need to figure this out... it is quite annoying and has left our >friend frustrated. > >oh, and he and i have a second list on the same server and he sends >one mail to the first list and then another to the second... the >second list gets his post in minutes the first, again... is delayed >for hours. Well, now it's beginning to look like you haven't ruled out moderation. Is there a X-Mailman-Approved-At: header in his posts? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Wed Dec 22 02:03:11 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:03:11 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on archives In-Reply-To: <7C8B3AC4-537E-11D9-82F6-000393A6BC22@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Enrique Vega wrote: > >Do you think there will ever be a browser based way to delete messages >from the archives? Seems strange that this issue has not already been >incorporated into mailman. When someone wants it enough to implement it and contribute it back to the project, it will happen. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Wed Dec 22 02:20:02 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:20:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to with list's address in CC field In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.1.20041221103227.095d9e98@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Dominik wrote: > >My question: >Is it possible to have mailman put the list's address in the CC portion, on >top of having the actual poster in the Reply-To address? >The goal being that anyone could hit 'reply' to respond to the poster, but >'reply all' to respond to the poster and have the reply go to the list as well. > If you don't do any header munging, that's the way it works now. The poster has her/his From: or Reply-To: address that returns a simple "reply" to her/him. The list address is in the To: (or maybe the Cc:), so "reply all" goes to the poster and the list and any other To: and/or Cc: addressees. It works like that with all MUAs that I am familiar with including Eudora. The only problem is if the OP put the list in a Bcc:, but that usually results in the post being caught in the "implicit destination" filter anyway. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From raub at grove.circa.ufl.edu Tue Dec 21 17:38:47 2004 From: raub at grove.circa.ufl.edu (Mauricio Tavares) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:38:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] NFS confusion Message-ID: <41C85197.2040102@grove.circa.ufl.edu> I feel stupid. I have a machine that is our mailserver (Solaris 8) and where mailman is run from. I also have a machine (Solaris 9) that is our webserver. Currently, I am running apache in the mailserver so I can access the mailman pages, but I would like to move that to the webserver. Fromw hat I understood, I could NFS mount the mailman directory to the webserver and then tell apache there to run it. So, I nfs exported the directory (here's the /etc/dfs/dfstab entry): share -F nfs -o rw=webserver,anon=0 /usr/local/mailman Then, I mounted the directory webserver #> mount mailserver:/usr/local/mailman /usr/local/mailman without a problem (and, yes, I am making a point, for now, to keep the paths in both machines exactly the same). I then setup it in apache's httpd.conf: DocumentRoot "/usr/local/mailman" ServerName mailman.my.domain.com ScriptAlias /mail/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/" ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/" Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/ CustomLog /usr/local/apache/logs/access.mailman combined ErrorLog /usr/local/apache/logs/errors.mailman And then made sure mailman is now a CNAME to the webserver. Now, when I try to access it, I get nothing but an error message (I would write it here but I disabled the above. If you want, I can redo it all and copy it down). What have I done wrong? From artisticminds at yahoo.com Tue Dec 21 19:27:55 2004 From: artisticminds at yahoo.com (erik) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:27:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachment Message-ID: I was wondering if there is a way to remove the text attachment that comes with any email to the mailing list? thanks! erik From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Dec 22 02:17:26 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:17:26 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail from emergency moderated list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:30 AM -0800 2004-12-21, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> Looks like these messages got held up within the Yahoo! mail >>system, according to these date-time stamps. There's not a whole lot >>you can do about this, unfortunately. > > I think Brad may have looked a little too quickly at this. It looks to > me like the messages spent the 5+ days in agora.rdrop.com which looks > like your Mailman server. Dang. You're right. The holdup was on agora.rdrop.com. Good catch. Thanks! -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From msapiro at value.net Wed Dec 22 02:28:54 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:28:54 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: erik wrote: >I was wondering if there is a way to remove the text attachment that comes >with any email to the mailing list? thanks! erik See the FAQ >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Article 4.39. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Wed Dec 22 03:01:42 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:01:42 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird subscriptions In-Reply-To: <20041221210914.D1F56292E7C@mail.asis.org> Message-ID: Richard Hill wrote: >Lately I've received a number of subscriptions with something such as: > >Plausiblename at logicaladdress.net to: wava at cleartalk.com From: >wava at cleartalk.com BCC: mfweiss at aol.com X-GUID: >24115997-bb5e-4683-aac1-2b1d8a6dc876 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; >boundary=abbbbmh --abbbbmh --abbbbmh-- . > >All the copy above was in the simple "address" box. > >I approved one and it screwed up looking at the list of subscribers. I've >pinged the apparent subscribers, in this case >Plausiblename at logicaladdress.net and all are bounces. > >Any experience in what causes this? Or how to stop it if these are spoof >messages? This is only a wild guess, but possibly there is a "broken" e-mail worm that is trying to send itself out to a group of harvested addresses that includes your list's -join or -subscribe address and the headers in the message it sends are run together without CRLF line breaks or with leading white space that makes them look like one long header. It seems that your list already requires approval for new subs, and probably the best you can do is discard these and not worry about it. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From catalyst at actionpa.org Wed Dec 22 06:42:53 2004 From: catalyst at actionpa.org (Mike Ewall) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:42:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2nd Question: BypassingConfirmation/Approval for New Subscribers In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041219203736.112cc990@mail.actionpa.org> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041222003856.11ea5f40@mail.actionpa.org> Mark, Thanks for the detailed explanation. I did understand what you meant the first time, but I didn't realize that -- at least on my web host -- the list name is the full "listname_domain.name" (I originally tried your suggestion with only the listname, which apparently is why it was considered an unknown list). I got it to work after you inspired me to look more closely at the URIs that Mailman uses. Many thanks! Mike At 04:35 PM 12/20/2004, you wrote: >Mike Ewall wrote: > > > >I tried out the wget method mentioned below, but it doesn't seem to work > >for me either. Trying them through a browser gives me a "CGI script error" > >stating "Error: No such list [listname]." Trying the commands while SSH'd > >into the server gives errors as well. > > > >Any idea why the wget methods described in the thread earlier this month > >(http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-December/041209.html) > >wouldn't work? > >The part of the URI to the left of the "?" in e.g. > >http://[domain.name]/mailman/admin/[listname]/members/add?subscribees=[user_email_address]&adminpw=[admin_password]&send_welcome_msg_to_this_batch=0&send_notifications_to_list_owner=0 > >should be exactly the same as the URI of the Membership >Management...->Mass Subscription page in your web admin interface for >the list. Is that the case in your tests? Also, the "[" and "]" around >the domain.name, listname, user email address and admin password are >to indicate that these are "variables". They are not literally >included in the URI. > >If what you tried is "correct" with these things in mind, then I have >no idea why it doesn't work. When I do it, it returns the Mass >Subscription page with a Successfully subscribed indication for [user >email address]. > >-- >Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From bescher at rsegroup.com Wed Dec 22 15:55:03 2004 From: bescher at rsegroup.com (Bob Escher) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:55:03 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two Questions Message-ID: <001501c4e836$39638d00$43c12145@rsegroup.com> Good Morning all I have two questions and both of them are probably where I can't find them. I am looking for the FAQ on how to be able to change the subscription page and other pages according to to the website that it is for I have 8 lists and 5 of them belong to different domains and website. I would like to customize each subscription page (and any other page a subscriber might see) to be the same as the web pages are. Where do I find out how to install the HTML feature for the Archieves and customize those for each domain(If I can't customize each one that is OK as well)as long as the archieves are in HTML. I found the documentation for MHonArc very lacking Thanks Bob Escher From davidg at goraich.co.uk Wed Dec 22 16:07:28 2004 From: davidg at goraich.co.uk (david gordon) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:07:28 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing archives and weird size question Message-ID: <20041222150728.6788@smtp.goraich.co.uk> Using Mailman 2.0.13 my list doesn't appear to have been archiving itself (via Pipermail). On the website archive page messages stop in August 2003. The option to download the full raw archive says it is 13MB. When I use an FTP client (Fetch) to look at the files on the server I see nothing in /usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private (Linux flavoured server). But when I connect by command line over SSH I see files admin at myserver mylist.mbox]$ pwd /usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private/mylist.mbox admin at myserver mylist.mbox]$ ls -lah total 44M drwxrwxr-x 2 mailman mailman 80 Dec 8 2002 . drwxr-x--x 6 mailman mailman 160 Dec 8 2002 .. -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 44M Dec 22 13:54 mylist.mbox Clearly I don't do this enough to see the blindingly obvious mistake but... How come the archive is being written to today but I can only see file from August 2003 on the website? Why does the website say the mailbox is 13MB but its really 44MB? How do I get out of this mess? Many thanks! -- David Gordon From jwblist at olympus.net Thu Dec 23 01:53:45 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:53:45 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [still] No address associated with nodename In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/20/2004 22:29, "JP Kelly" wrote: >>>>> I have mailman 2.1.5 installed on OSX Panther with exim as the MTA. >>>>> When mailman attempts to send messages I get the following message >>>>> in >>>>> smtp-error log: >>>>> >>>>> Low level smtp error: (7, 'No address associated with nodename') >>> ms mailman is not contacting exim at all. >> >> That is what the error message is telling you. Mailman's >> connection via Python's smtplib is failing because it is not >> successfully looking up mailman.jpkvideo.net (which is how >> you've overridden the default for SMTPHOST in your mm_cfg.py). >> (Does 'telnet mailman.jpkvideo.net 25' from the Mailman machine >> actually succeed?) > > Yes it does: > telnet mailman.jpkvideo.net 25 > Trying 63.198.201.218... > Connected to adsl-63-198-201-218.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net. > > I am testing this on a DSL static ip and the reverse lookup resolves to > adsl-63-198-201-218.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net. > could that be the problem? > You're making the telnet connection, but unless you left part of the "action" out, the mail server is not responding with the SMTP connection banner. So it appears you can reach the machine's port 25, but the SMTP server dislikes you enough to refuse even to begin to talk to you. It should look something like this: $telnet smtp.olympus.net 25 Trying 65.117.224.66... Connected to smtp.olympus.net. Escape character is '^]'. 220 entiat.olympus.net ESMTP Exim 4.42 Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:49:48 -0800 C Where that 220 line is the "missing" banner (and the trailing " C" is an indicator we added to this instance of Exim). --John From jwblist at olympus.net Thu Dec 23 02:06:56 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:06:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on archives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/21/2004 17:03, "Mark Sapiro" wrote: > Enrique Vega wrote: >> >> Do you think there will ever be a browser based way to delete messages >> from the archives? Seems strange that this issue has not already been >> incorporated into mailman. > > When someone wants it enough to implement it and contribute it back to > the project, it will happen. Meanwhile, an archive represents history, so removing a message from the archive amounts to rewriting history. Nonetheless, list owners in at least England need to be able to do it, or run afoul of the enforcer of "take my personal information off your web site NOW" requests. The enforcer imposes big fines. --John From thomaswaters at mac.com Wed Dec 22 17:28:03 2004 From: thomaswaters at mac.com (Thomas Waters) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:28:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail list which is a collection of lists Message-ID: <742A665F-5436-11D9-9B2F-000D93B1D150@mac.com> Mailman 2.1.2 on OS X Panther Server I'd like to make some mail lists which are collections of other lists List1: PersonA PersonB PersonC List2 PersonD PersonE PersonF List3: PersonG PersonH PersonI List 4: List 1 List 2 (This would go to 6 people, 3 from 1 and 3 from 2) I can set this up and have the mail go out OK, personA gets messages sent to list 4, but personA can't post to list 4- message gets held as post from non-member. Can these lists be made to work so that only member can post including members of sublists? Thx, -- Thomas Waters Director of Information and Communication Services University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy 412-383-7471 rxweb+ at pitt.edu http://www.pharmacy.pitt.edu From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Dec 23 03:22:38 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:22:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:27 AM -0800 2004-12-21, erik wrote: > I was wondering if there is a way to remove the text attachment that comes > with any email to the mailing list? thanks! erik See . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Dec 23 03:37:42 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:37:42 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two Questions In-Reply-To: <001501c4e836$39638d00$43c12145@rsegroup.com> References: <001501c4e836$39638d00$43c12145@rsegroup.com> Message-ID: At 8:55 AM -0600 2004-12-22, Bob Escher wrote: > I am looking for the FAQ on how to be able to change > the subscription page and other pages according to to the website that it is > for > I have 8 lists and 5 of them belong to different domains and website. I > would > like to customize each subscription page (and any other page a subscriber > might see) > to be the same as the web pages are. You may want to look at . > I found the documentation for MHonArc very lacking Mailman integrates pipermail for handling the archiving system, not MHonArc. If you're looking for documentation on MHonArc, you probably want to check out . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From msapiro at value.net Thu Dec 23 03:57:44 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:57:44 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail list which is a collection of lists In-Reply-To: <742A665F-5436-11D9-9B2F-000D93B1D150@mac.com> Message-ID: Thomas Waters wrote: >I'd like to make some mail lists which are collections of other lists > > >I can set this up and have the mail go out OK, personA gets messages >sent to list 4, but personA can't post to list 4- message gets held as >post from non-member. Can these lists be made to work so that only >member can post including members of sublists? See the FAQ >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Article 3.5 for one way to work around this and also avoid duplicate messages to people who are members of more than one sub list. Also see http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#listinclusion for a patch that would allow you in your example to put '@list1' and '@list2' in accept_these_nonmembers for list4. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Dec 23 04:07:08 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:07:08 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing archives and weird size question In-Reply-To: <20041222150728.6788@smtp.goraich.co.uk> Message-ID: david gordon wrote: >Using Mailman 2.0.13 my list doesn't appear to have been archiving itself >(via Pipermail). > >On the website archive page >messages stop in August 2003. The option to download the full raw archive >says it is 13MB. > >When I use an FTP client (Fetch) to look at the files on the server I see >nothing in /usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private (Linux flavoured server). > >But when I connect by command line over SSH I see files > >admin at myserver mylist.mbox]$ pwd >/usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private/mylist.mbox > >admin at myserver mylist.mbox]$ ls -lah >total 44M >drwxrwxr-x 2 mailman mailman 80 Dec 8 2002 . >drwxr-x--x 6 mailman mailman 160 Dec 8 2002 .. >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 44M Dec 22 13:54 mylist.mbox > >Clearly I don't do this enough to see the blindingly obvious mistake but... > >How come the archive is being written to today but I can only see file >from August 2003 on the website? > >Why does the website say the mailbox is 13MB but its really 44MB? > >How do I get out of this mess? I don't know if 2.0.13 has a bin/arch tool with the same function as the one in 2.1.x, but if it does, you could just try bin/arch --wipe mylist to rebuild the archive from mylist.mbox. It might work, but it might fail the same way that individual archiving has failed since August 2003. My guess is that there is something in mylist.mbox in the message following the last archived message from Aug 2003 that is causing the problem. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp If bin/arch doesn't fix it on it's own, you'll have to find the problem in mylist.mbox and "correct" that as explained in the FAQ. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Dec 23 04:15:44 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:15:44 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two Questions In-Reply-To: <001501c4e836$39638d00$43c12145@rsegroup.com> Message-ID: Bob Escher wrote: > >I am looking for the FAQ on how to be able to change >the subscription page and other pages according to to the website that it is >for >I have 8 lists and 5 of them belong to different domains and website. I >would >like to customize each subscription page (and any other page a subscriber >might see) >to be the same as the web pages are. For those pages that have templates, see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp For pages generated on the fly, there's no good solution that wouldn't involve extensive hacking of the Python code. >Where do I find out how to install the HTML feature for the Archieves >and customize those for each domain(If I can't customize each one that is OK >as well)as >long as the archieves are in HTML. I'm not sure I understand your question, but there are HTML templates for the various pipermail archive pages that can be modified per the above FAQ. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From Jaeger at harthosp.org Thu Dec 23 04:16:53 2004 From: Jaeger at harthosp.org (Dana Jaeger) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:16:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 10, Issue 57 (On Vacation) Message-ID: I will be on vacation beginning Thursday 12/23 and returning Tuesday 12/28. In the event of an emergancy, please contact the tech support help line. If your question concerns For Tivoli please contact Anca Suciu (5-5156). >>> mailman-users 12/22/04 22:15 >>> Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to mailman-users at python.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mailman-users-request at python.org You can reach the person managing the list at mailman-users-owner at python.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Two Questions (Bob Escher) 2. missing archives and weird size question (david gordon) 3. Re: [still] No address associated with nodename (John W. Baxter) 4. Re: Question on archives (John W. Baxter) 5. Mail list which is a collection of lists (Thomas Waters) 6. Re: attachment (Brad Knowles) 7. Re: Two Questions (Brad Knowles) 8. Re: Mail list which is a collection of lists (Mark Sapiro) 9. Re: missing archives and weird size question (Mark Sapiro) 10. Re: Two Questions (Mark Sapiro) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:55:03 -0600 From: "Bob Escher" Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two Questions To: Message-ID: <001501c4e836$39638d00$43c12145 at rsegroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good Morning all I have two questions and both of them are probably where I can't find them. I am looking for the FAQ on how to be able to change the subscription page and other pages according to to the website that it is for I have 8 lists and 5 of them belong to different domains and website. I would like to customize each subscription page (and any other page a subscriber might see) to be the same as the web pages are. Where do I find out how to install the HTML feature for the Archieves and customize those for each domain(If I can't customize each one that is OK as well)as long as the archieves are in HTML. I found the documentation for MHonArc very lacking Thanks Bob Escher ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:07:28 +0000 From: "david gordon" Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing archives and weird size question To: Message-ID: <20041222150728.6788 at smtp.goraich.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Using Mailman 2.0.13 my list doesn't appear to have been archiving itself (via Pipermail). On the website archive page messages stop in August 2003. The option to download the full raw archive says it is 13MB. When I use an FTP client (Fetch) to look at the files on the server I see nothing in /usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private (Linux flavoured server). But when I connect by command line over SSH I see files admin at myserver mylist.mbox]$ pwd /usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private/mylist.mbox admin at myserver mylist.mbox]$ ls -lah total 44M drwxrwxr-x 2 mailman mailman 80 Dec 8 2002 . drwxr-x--x 6 mailman mailman 160 Dec 8 2002 .. -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 44M Dec 22 13:54 mylist.mbox Clearly I don't do this enough to see the blindingly obvious mistake but... How come the archive is being written to today but I can only see file from August 2003 on the website? Why does the website say the mailbox is 13MB but its really 44MB? How do I get out of this mess? Many thanks! -- David Gordon ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:53:45 -0800 From: "John W. Baxter" Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] [still] No address associated with nodename To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" On 12/20/2004 22:29, "JP Kelly" wrote: >>>>> I have mailman 2.1.5 installed on OSX Panther with exim as the MTA. >>>>> When mailman attempts to send messages I get the following message >>>>> in >>>>> smtp-error log: >>>>> >>>>> Low level smtp error: (7, 'No address associated with nodename') >>> ms mailman is not contacting exim at all. >> >> That is what the error message is telling you. Mailman's >> connection via Python's smtplib is failing because it is not >> successfully looking up mailman.jpkvideo.net (which is how >> you've overridden the default for SMTPHOST in your mm_cfg.py). >> (Does 'telnet mailman.jpkvideo.net 25' from the Mailman machine >> actually succeed?) > > Yes it does: > telnet mailman.jpkvideo.net 25 > Trying 63.198.201.218... > Connected to adsl-63-198-201-218.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net. > > I am testing this on a DSL static ip and the reverse lookup resolves to > adsl-63-198-201-218.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net. > could that be the problem? > You're making the telnet connection, but unless you left part of the "action" out, the mail server is not responding with the SMTP connection banner. So it appears you can reach the machine's port 25, but the SMTP server dislikes you enough to refuse even to begin to talk to you. It should look something like this: $telnet smtp.olympus.net 25 Trying 65.117.224.66... Connected to smtp.olympus.net. Escape character is '^]'. 220 entiat.olympus.net ESMTP Exim 4.42 Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:49:48 -0800 C Where that 220 line is the "missing" banner (and the trailing " C" is an indicator we added to this instance of Exim). --John ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:06:56 -0800 From: "John W. Baxter" Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Question on archives To: "," Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" On 12/21/2004 17:03, "Mark Sapiro" wrote: > Enrique Vega wrote: >> >> Do you think there will ever be a browser based way to delete messages >> from the archives? Seems strange that this issue has not already been >> incorporated into mailman. > > When someone wants it enough to implement it and contribute it back to > the project, it will happen. Meanwhile, an archive represents history, so removing a message from the archive amounts to rewriting history. Nonetheless, list owners in at least England need to be able to do it, or run afoul of the enforcer of "take my personal information off your web site NOW" requests. The enforcer imposes big fines. --John ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:28:03 -0500 From: Thomas Waters Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail list which is a collection of lists To: mailman-users at python.org Message-ID: <742A665F-5436-11D9-9B2F-000D93B1D150 at mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mailman 2.1.2 on OS X Panther Server I'd like to make some mail lists which are collections of other lists List1: PersonA PersonB PersonC List2 PersonD PersonE PersonF List3: PersonG PersonH PersonI List 4: List 1 List 2 (This would go to 6 people, 3 from 1 and 3 from 2) I can set this up and have the mail go out OK, personA gets messages sent to list 4, but personA can't post to list 4- message gets held as post from non-member. Can these lists be made to work so that only member can post including members of sublists? Thx, -- Thomas Waters Director of Information and Communication Services University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy 412-383-7471 rxweb+ at pitt.edu http://www.pharmacy.pitt.edu ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:22:38 -0600 From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] attachment To: "erik" Cc: mailman-users at python.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:27 AM -0800 2004-12-21, erik wrote: > I was wondering if there is a way to remove the text attachment that comes > with any email to the mailing list? thanks! erik See . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:37:42 -0600 From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Two Questions To: "Bob Escher" Cc: mailman-users at python.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 8:55 AM -0600 2004-12-22, Bob Escher wrote: > I am looking for the FAQ on how to be able to change > the subscription page and other pages according to to the website that it is > for > I have 8 lists and 5 of them belong to different domains and website. I > would > like to customize each subscription page (and any other page a subscriber > might see) > to be the same as the web pages are. You may want to look at . > I found the documentation for MHonArc very lacking Mailman integrates pipermail for handling the archiving system, not MHonArc. If you're looking for documentation on MHonArc, you probably want to check out . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:57:44 -0800 From: Mark Sapiro Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail list which is a collection of lists To: Thomas Waters , mailman-users at python.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thomas Waters wrote: >I'd like to make some mail lists which are collections of other lists > > >I can set this up and have the mail go out OK, personA gets messages >sent to list 4, but personA can't post to list 4- message gets held as >post from non-member. Can these lists be made to work so that only >member can post including members of sublists? See the FAQ >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Article 3.5 for one way to work around this and also avoid duplicate messages to people who are members of more than one sub list. Also see http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#listinclusion for a patch that would allow you in your example to put '@list1' and '@list2' in accept_these_nonmembers for list4. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:07:08 -0800 From: Mark Sapiro Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] missing archives and weird size question To: "david gordon" , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 david gordon wrote: >Using Mailman 2.0.13 my list doesn't appear to have been archiving itself >(via Pipermail). > >On the website archive page >messages stop in August 2003. The option to download the full raw archive >says it is 13MB. > >When I use an FTP client (Fetch) to look at the files on the server I see >nothing in /usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private (Linux flavoured server). > >But when I connect by command line over SSH I see files > >admin at myserver mylist.mbox]$ pwd >/usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private/mylist.mbox > >admin at myserver mylist.mbox]$ ls -lah >total 44M >drwxrwxr-x 2 mailman mailman 80 Dec 8 2002 . >drwxr-x--x 6 mailman mailman 160 Dec 8 2002 .. >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 44M Dec 22 13:54 mylist.mbox > >Clearly I don't do this enough to see the blindingly obvious mistake but... > >How come the archive is being written to today but I can only see file >from August 2003 on the website? > >Why does the website say the mailbox is 13MB but its really 44MB? > >How do I get out of this mess? I don't know if 2.0.13 has a bin/arch tool with the same function as the one in 2.1.x, but if it does, you could just try bin/arch --wipe mylist to rebuild the archive from mylist.mbox. It might work, but it might fail the same way that individual archiving has failed since August 2003. My guess is that there is something in mylist.mbox in the message following the last archived message from Aug 2003 that is causing the problem. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp If bin/arch doesn't fix it on it's own, you'll have to find the problem in mylist.mbox and "correct" that as explained in the FAQ. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:15:44 -0800 From: Mark Sapiro Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Two Questions To: "Bob Escher" , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Bob Escher wrote: > >I am looking for the FAQ on how to be able to change >the subscription page and other pages according to to the website that it is >for >I have 8 lists and 5 of them belong to different domains and website. I >would >like to customize each subscription page (and any other page a subscriber >might see) >to be the same as the web pages are. For those pages that have templates, see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp For pages generated on the fly, there's no good solution that wouldn't involve extensive hacking of the Python code. >Where do I find out how to install the HTML feature for the Archieves >and customize those for each domain(If I can't customize each one that is OK >as well)as >long as the archieves are in HTML. I'm not sure I understand your question, but there are HTML templates for the various pipermail archive pages that can be modified per the above FAQ. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ End of Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 10, Issue 57 ********************************************* From KenneyW at easternct.edu Thu Dec 23 04:32:28 2004 From: KenneyW at easternct.edu (KENNEY, William P. (Info. Tech. Services)) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:32:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How may I convert Majordomo lists to mailman? Message-ID: <767D98BAB669E74E8CFCB861554159FB014B54@ecsube2.ec-admin.easternct.edu> Hello, I have finally gotten mailman running on RHES 3.0. I need to move and convert MD lists from an old Alpha/DU system to my current server. Has any one done this before? I seem to recall a link in the archives but can no longer find it. TIA, Bill William P. Kenney Unix Systems Manager Eastern Connecticut State University (860) 465-4688 (860) 465-4675 fax RAM disk is "not" an installation procedure. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Dec 23 04:52:09 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:52:09 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How may I convert Majordomo lists to mailman? In-Reply-To: <767D98BAB669E74E8CFCB861554159FB014B54@ecsube2.ec-admin.easternct .edu> References: <767D98BAB669E74E8CFCB861554159FB014B54@ecsube2.ec-admin.easternct .edu> Message-ID: At 10:32 PM -0500 2004-12-22, KENNEY, William P. (Info. Tech. Services) wrote: > I have finally gotten mailman running on RHES 3.0. I need to move and > convert MD lists from an old Alpha/DU system to my current server. Has > any one done this before? I seem to recall a link in the archives but > can no longer find it. It's easy enough to import a list of subscribers. Mailman provides a mass-subscribe option that allows you to cut-n-paste a large number of addresses, or you can select a file of addresses to be uploaded, etc.... As for the rest of the mailing list configuration options, I don't know of any easy way to convert those from Majordomo to Mailman. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From mikey at swampgas.com Thu Dec 23 05:30:01 2004 From: mikey at swampgas.com (Michael Owings) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:30:01 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How may I convert Majordomo lists to mailman? In-Reply-To: <767D98BAB669E74E8CFCB861554159FB014B54@ecsube2.ec-admin.easternct.edu> References: <767D98BAB669E74E8CFCB861554159FB014B54@ecsube2.ec-admin.easternct.edu> Message-ID: <41CA49C9.90403@swampgas.com> KENNEY, William P. (Info. Tech. Services) wrote: > Hello, > > I have finally gotten mailman running on RHES 3.0. I need to move and > convert MD lists from an old Alpha/DU system to my current server. Has > any one done this before? I seem to recall a link in the archives but > can no longer find it. I've just done a bunch of these conversions. First create the new list. On the list admin page use Membership Management->Mass Subscription to import your existing list members. You can either cut and paste the original list member names or upload the file directly. There is no way to directly import the .config file AFAIK, but setting up the list options is pretty trivial. I found the whole process took all of 5-minutes per list. -- Teleoperate a roving mobile robot from the web: http://www.swampgas.com/robotics/rover.html From barry at python.org Thu Dec 23 06:06:40 2004 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 00:06:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Updated web sites Message-ID: <1103778400.17301.264.camel@presto.wooz.org> I've finally regained access to all three websites, list.org, mailman.sf.net, and the GNU mirror, so I've pushed out the latest updates. There are the usual additions to the list of users, but much more importantly there's Terri's new user documentation, and my recent consolidation of the installation documentation. There's also a very incomplete list administrator's guide on the site (volunteers to help polish this up are welcome!). Please poke around the site, read the documentation and let us know if you find any errors. Note that the GNU mirror always lags a bit behind the other two sites. http://www.list.org should be up-to-date. Enjoy, -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20041223/5bb20ced/attachment.pgp From tarmstrong at gmail.com Thu Dec 23 09:50:02 2004 From: tarmstrong at gmail.com (thomas Armstrong) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:50:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply only to the list Message-ID: Hi. I want to configure my list in order to users reply ONLY to the list. Is this what I must set?: - Should any existing Reply-To: header found in the original message be stripped? YES - Where are replies to list messages directed? THIS LIST Thank you very much. From davidg at goraich.co.uk Thu Dec 23 10:14:48 2004 From: davidg at goraich.co.uk (david gordon) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:14:48 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unistalling Mailman & upgrade Message-ID: <20041223091448.15564@smtp.goraich.co.uk> I'd like to upgrade from 2.0.13 to the latest Mailman (2.1.5?). I've looked at the docs for doing this but wonder if I might be better deleting my current install and starting afresh. This (I hope) would solve a problem with my archive and the fact that admin messages come from the wrong host address (we moved host & I have tried fixing this...). I can't see anything in the FAQs about this, what do I need to delete (apart from the obvious!). Which files do I need to save in order to keep my membership list and password combinations? I'm assuming I can drop these files into my new install and subscribers will carry on as usual. Its taken that I will have to close the list while I do this but this seems a good time of year to do so. Thanks for any advice. (OTOH if anyone want to offer to upgrade for me, what's your fee?) -- David Gordon From msapiro at value.net Thu Dec 23 16:39:34 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:39:34 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply only to the list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: thomas Armstrong wrote: > >I want to configure my list in order to users reply ONLY to the list. > >Is this what I must set?: > >- Should any existing Reply-To: header found in the original message >be stripped? YES >- Where are replies to list messages directed? THIS LIST Yes, those are the settings, but if you haven't already done so, I urge you to see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.048.htp -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From cjtucker12 at comcast.net Thu Dec 23 15:31:49 2004 From: cjtucker12 at comcast.net (Cameron Tuckerman) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:31:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help me Message-ID: <000e01c4e8fc$237c2e40$6500a8c0@CHAMELEON> help! I am the email administrator at my schools website and we have implemented mailman on one of our servers. The problem is since the interphase is directed at people who are stupid and I have three lists, I had a nice set up using minimalist to do this but mailman is soooo much nicer. To migrate i was going to change the script to post to mylist-join at myserver.com my problem is that when i simply email this address nothing happens at all, no bounce backs or anything. Do i have to say anything in the messege. PLEASE HELP ME.... my email is tuckerman at mentorhigh.com From sythos at sythos.net Thu Dec 23 16:47:20 2004 From: sythos at sythos.net (Sythos) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:47:20 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help me In-Reply-To: <000e01c4e8fc$237c2e40$6500a8c0@CHAMELEON> References: <000e01c4e8fc$237c2e40$6500a8c0@CHAMELEON> Message-ID: <20041223154720.GB2404@sythos.net> On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 09:31:49AM -0500, Cameron Tuckerman wrote: > my problem is that when i simply email this address nothing happens at all, no bounce backs or anything. Do i have to say anything in the messege. Wich MTA do you use? Are you sure no error message neither mailman log and mta log? Do you have correctly configured aliases for you system? Regards, Sythos -- Sythos - http://www.sythos.net () ASCII Ribbon Campaign - against html/rtf/vCard in mail /\ - against M$ attachments From ulisavi at tin.it Fri Dec 24 05:10:02 2004 From: ulisavi at tin.it (Ulisse) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 05:10:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Complex code such as header and footer in the messages sent by mailman Message-ID: <009c01c4e96e$8cad52a0$02e7fea9@system> In past, i have posted about the capability to insert html code or banner such as header and footer in the messages sent by mailman mailing lists. In fact for a production site it is not good the limit to insert simple test or link in header and footer. Have someone news about an hack patch, rpm, instructions or similar about the capability to insert complex code such as header and footer ? I think to put in a Freelancer site (http://www.getacoder.com/ , http://www.getafreelancer.com/ , http://freelanceauctionnetwork.com/ or similar ) a bid about this problem, but i have a limitate budget. Is it difficult to make this type of modification ? ............................. I have to say I have the same questions. I think this is a valid question and the stuff on these links only confuses me more. I love this system, and I only vaguely seem to remember about 11 subliminal messages that basically tell you no - that this system isn't designed for those frills. If that's not the case, could someone please answer this question in a way people like me can understand? I am not a programmer, and I think a lot of these links are confusing to non-programmers. I still have a list of questions I can't seem to get answered (for myself), but am still thrilled with the system and have been making it work in a way that I love. For instance: 1) Can you add an html header to the emails? I still don't get it. I read the links you provided, and their sub-links. 2) Is there a way so people subscribing don't go back into that archaic interface - when it asks them to accept or decline the list it's flat out confusing - text overwhelm - my user base is consumers and not programmers. Why should a) they have too choose or deny when they are clicking on a link to confirm? It should just confirm them without another button text and w/o text overwhelm. and b) it takes them back to a list of all my lists, which I hate, or at least would like to have the option of avoiding, if I am not intending to mix all my subscribers. I don't want them to have the option of joining other groups unless I intend to give it to them. 3) I don't understand if you can attach PDFs where it says, i.e. to new subscribers, etc. When I attach one, it just inserts garble into the text box once the PDF file is uploaded. I can't tell if this is an error, or what, and if I can include additional text. Thanks, guys! Jonathan On Aug 16, 2004, at 3:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:04 PM +0200 2004-08-15, Ulisse wrote: At the moment i can insert, such as header and footer, in the messages sent via Mailman Mailing lists only pure text and links. Is it possible, for the administrator/moderator of the lists, to insert images, html code, banner, java feed or other complex code, such as header and footer, in every message sent via Mailman Mailing lists ??? If you had bothered to follow the instructions at , you should have been able to find (without too much trouble) the FAQ entry at . If yes. If it is possible... What is the system ??? Have you some instructions ? A link ? Exist an rpm or a modification ??? See above. From rmcleran at ix.netcom.com Fri Dec 24 14:59:27 2004 From: rmcleran at ix.netcom.com (Bob McLeran) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:59:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Complex code such as header and footer in the messages sent by mailman In-Reply-To: <009c01c4e96e$8cad52a0$02e7fea9@system> References: <009c01c4e96e$8cad52a0$02e7fea9@system> Message-ID: <41CC20BF.7010402@ix.netcom.com> Along with those items, I still haven't gotten a good, easy answer to my question about the use of the ampersand in the footer. It gets munged into an html sequence in plain text. There should be some way to "escape" it without having to edit files that only the system administrator can reach. Bob On 12/23/2004 11:10 PM, Ulisse wrote: > >For instance: >1) Can you add an html header to the emails? I still don't get it. I read the links you provided, and their sub-links. > >2) Is there a way so people subscribing don't go back into that archaic interface - when it asks them to accept or decline the list it's flat out confusing - text overwhelm - my user base is consumers and not programmers. Why should a) they have too choose or deny when they are clicking on a link to confirm? It should just confirm them without another button text and w/o text overwhelm. and b) it takes them back to a list of all my lists, which I hate, or at least would like to have the option of avoiding, if I am not intending to mix all my subscribers. I don't want them to have the option of joining other groups unless I intend to give it to them. > >3) I don't understand if you can attach PDFs where it says, i.e. to new subscribers, etc. When I attach one, it just inserts garble into the text box once the PDF file is uploaded. I can't tell if this is an error, or what, and if I can include additional text. > > >Thanks, guys! >Jonathan > > From msapiro at value.net Fri Dec 24 17:11:55 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:11:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Complex code such as header and footer in themessages sent by mailman In-Reply-To: <41CC20BF.7010402@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: Bob McLeran wrote: >Along with those items, I still haven't gotten a good, easy answer to my >question about the use of the ampersand in the footer. It gets munged >into an html sequence in plain text. There should be some way to >"escape" it without having to edit files that only the system >administrator can reach. Well, technically, you have to edit files that only the system administrator can reach directly because that's where the headers and footers are kept. Is I said in a previous post, there are security implications in allowing HTML tags in text which is displayed back on web pages (google XSS for more info) so all text is "cleansed" by escaping "<", ">" and "&" entered on the list admin pages. Thus you can only add text containing these characters with tools that require a higher level of access i.e bin/config_list and bin/withlist. This does not provide you with a "good, easy" web-based way to do what you want because there isn't one, and asking again isn't going to change that. > >On 12/23/2004 11:10 PM, Jonathan wrote without changing the From: header in the OP from Ulisse: > >> >>For instance: >>1) Can you add an html header to the emails? I still don't get it. I read the links you provided, and their sub-links. Not through the web interface, but even if you did put HTML into these fields, the actual header and footer information is added to list posts in text/plain parts (either prepended or appended to text/plain messages or added as separate text/plain parts). Thus any HTML wouldn't be rendered by the users MUA in any case. About all you can do is put in a text URI which some MUAs will show as a clickable link. >> >>2) Is there a way so people subscribing don't go back into that archaic interface - when it asks them to accept or decline the list it's flat out confusing - text overwhelm - my user base is consumers and not programmers. Why should a) they have too choose or deny when they are clicking on a link to confirm? It should just confirm them without another button text and w/o text overwhelm. and b) it takes them back to a list of all my lists, which I hate, or at least would like to have the option of avoiding, if I am not intending to mix all my subscribers. I don't want them to have the option of joining other groups unless I intend to give it to them. >> >>3) I don't understand if you can attach PDFs where it says, i.e. to new subscribers, etc. When I attach one, it just inserts garble into the text box once the PDF file is uploaded. I can't tell if this is an error, or what, and if I can include additional text. This was answered in the cross-post to mailman-developers, but for completeness, you can't upload non-text files (PDF, M$-Word, etc) and have things work. when you "specify a file to upload" with a member list or what ever, it must be plain text. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.044.htp for more info about the format of mass-subscribe lists. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From egroups at iprimus.com.au Sat Dec 25 10:34:32 2004 From: egroups at iprimus.com.au (Svetlana Sally Johnston ||| List Subs) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 20:34:32 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing my account info to this list Message-ID: <41A76DD900CB7261@smtp01.syd.iprimus.net.au> (added by postmaster@iprimus.com.au) Apologies for this off topic question but could some one tell me where to go to change my account info please? Would like to change the email address I am using to a different one. Many thanks Sally J From msapiro at value.net Sat Dec 25 16:23:46 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 07:23:46 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing my account info to this list References: <41A76DD900CB7261@smtp01.syd.iprimus.net.au> (added bypostmaster@iprimus.com.au) Message-ID: <000301c4ea95$c1441df0$0300a8c0@msapiro> Sally Johnston wrote: > Apologies for this off topic question but could some one tell me where > to go > to change my account info please? > > Would like to change the email address I am using to a different one. See Terri Oda's great new Mailman List Member Manual at http://www.list.org/mailman-member/index.html or see http://www.list.org/users.html for links to non-HTML formats and a Spanish language translation. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jwt at onjapan.net Sun Dec 26 05:27:55 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 13:27:55 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] probe messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83E6BB52-56F6-11D9-8DC8-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Dec 21, 2004, at 03:32, Sean wrote: > Is there any way to turn off probe messages being sent but still have > bounce processing on? If you set DEFAULT_BOUNCE_YOU_ARE_DISABLED_WARNINGS = 0 in your mm_cfg.py the bouncing users should be immediately unsubscribed. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From mlmpros at jwgmg.com Sun Dec 26 00:44:51 2004 From: mlmpros at jwgmg.com (MLMPROS) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:44:51 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ban List Message-ID: <004501c4eadb$bc4fa490$d5dc28d8@john> I have the following set as my ban list. However, it doesn't work. I still have to manually approve/reject these addresses. ^.*\.msn\.com$ ^.*\.hotmail\.com$ ^.*\.aol\.com$ ^.*\.yahoo\.com$ ^.*\.zwallet\.com$ ^.*\.excite\.com$ From mailmanuser at gmail.com Sun Dec 26 11:35:11 2004 From: mailmanuser at gmail.com (Mailman User) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:35:11 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing my account info to this list In-Reply-To: <41A76DCB00D13431@smtp02.syd.iprimus.net.au> References: <41A76DCB00D13431@smtp02.syd.iprimus.net.au> Message-ID: <461e16ff041226023541dc9309@mail.gmail.com> I asked: Apologies for this off topic question but could some one tell me where to go to change my account info please? Would like to change the email address I am using to a different one. ____________________ MARK: See Terri Oda's great new Mailman List Member Manual at http://www.list.org/mailman-member/index.html or see http://www.list.org/users.html for links to non-HTML formats and a Spanish language translation. _____________________ Thanks bunches :o) Hey that is a pretty darn good manual. Cheers Sally J From macangels at spamcop.net Mon Dec 27 18:38:18 2004 From: macangels at spamcop.net (demo) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:38:18 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering out " Out of the Office " replies In-Reply-To: <20041226110034.F11381E4010@bag.python.org> Message-ID: Hi Simple request, dumb but universally pertinent question; How can I filter out *any* " Out of the Office " automated replies to any lists natively in Mailman? Or would I have to do it using some other filtering software set up? Strikes me a simple word filter would be fine, " Out of the Office " etc to be listed with all the other profanities. Thanks MA From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Dec 27 19:20:26 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:20:26 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering out " Out of the Office " replies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 5:38 PM +0000 2004-12-27, demo wrote: > How can I filter out *any* " Out of the Office " automated replies to any > lists natively in Mailman? Mailman already catches a lot of these. The problem comes from the ones it doesn't catch. For those, you'd either need to add more Python code to Mailman to handle them, or add a pre-processor of some sort (presumably written in another language). The real danger comes from two people having bad out-of-office reply systems, both of which do a "reply-to-all" for every incoming message, and don't do rate limiting, etc.... Each sends their out-of-office reply back to the list, and when that gets to the other one it sends another back, etc.... Nice little mail loop which can *bury* your mail server. > Strikes me a simple word filter would be fine, " Out of the Office " etc to > be listed with all the other profanities. Not really. If you did a simple word filter like this, then you couldn't talk about it, as we are doing. Otherwise, talking about the filter would get caught by the same filter you're talking about. Moreover, it would be difficult to handle all the permutations and combinations of all the various different ways you can say the same thing. I've been quite frustrated about this myself. I've un-subbed several people to this list because of their auto-responder systems. I'll continue doing what I can to protect the list from this sort of abuse in the future. However, I'm not a programmer, so I don't have the ability to add code to the system to deal with this problem in a way that is better than what is already present in Mailman. If you can write code to do that, I'm sure we'd all appreciate seeing your contribution. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From eric at 101sites.com Mon Dec 27 20:13:24 2004 From: eric at 101sites.com (Eric Elder) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:13:24 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where are bounce scores stored? Message-ID: <614545AA-583B-11D9-85AA-000A95F0DD46@101sites.com> I'd like to be able to see the bounce scores for my list members (before they reach the unsubscribe threshold). Where are these scores stored? And is there an easy way to view them? Thanks, Eric From morgan at hahaha.org Tue Dec 28 02:27:32 2004 From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:27:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timeout on visiting pending moderator requests Message-ID: <87zmzzqkjf.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> I have a netbsd 1.6 machine running Mailman 2.1.5 serving about twenty lists. One of my lists has a problem where it's pending moderator requests page can't be viewed, it just times out. I'm speaking about the URL that ends in admindb/. I see the vette log increase by about 320Kb everytime I visit the pending moderator requests page. There are 629 files named data/heldmsg--* using 3100Kb of disk space. I haven't been able to decipher the problem. The farthest I've gotten is to run 'dumpdb pending.pck' for that list. I can't make sense of the output, but if it would be useful in debugging the problem I could mail it to this list or one of you as an attachment. I can individually reject messages via the email-to-reject reply mechanism for held messages. This is the contents of the lists/ directory: -rw-rw-r-- 1 morgan mailman 1706 Apr 13 2002 admindbpreamble.html -rw-rw---- 1 morgan mailman 47410 Jul 26 06:05 config.db -rw-rw---- 1 morgan mailman 56959 Jul 26 06:05 config.db.last -rw-rw---- 1 nobody mailman 53170 Dec 28 01:12 config.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 53170 Dec 28 01:11 config.pck.last -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 14402 Dec 28 00:51 digest.mbox -rw-rw-r-- 1 morgan mailman 189 Apr 13 2002 handle_opts.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 morgan mailman 1026 Apr 13 2002 headfoot.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 morgan mailman 3136 Apr 13 2002 listinfo.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 morgan mailman 2961 Jul 25 16:59 next-digest -rw-rw-r-- 1 morgan mailman 49 Jul 25 16:59 next-digest-topics -rw-rw-r-- 1 morgan mailman 4106 Apr 13 2002 options.html -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 7304 Dec 28 01:11 pending.pck -rw-rw-r-- 1 morgan mailman 547352 Jul 26 06:04 request.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 2975275 Dec 28 01:11 request.pck -rw-rw-r-- 1 morgan mailman 1169 Apr 13 2002 roster.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 morgan mailman 198 Apr 13 2002 subscribe.html I've run 'check_perms' and 'check_db' and everything checks out OK. Got anything for me? Morgan -- Morgan Fletcher, morgan at hahaha.org Oakland, CA From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Tue Dec 28 03:05:49 2004 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:05:49 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timeout on visiting pending moderator requests In-Reply-To: <87zmzzqkjf.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> References: <87zmzzqkjf.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Message-ID: <41D0BF7D.5080409@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, Mailman 2.1.6 will discard old pending moderator requests automatically. So, I you don't have important pending messages to be approved, wait for the next release ;-) Or, you can use bin/discard to discard old pending requests like: % cd % find data -ctime +7 -name heldmsg\*.pck | xargs bin/discard Cheers, Morgan Fletcher wrote: > I have a netbsd 1.6 machine running Mailman 2.1.5 serving about twenty > lists. One of my lists has a problem where it's pending moderator requests > page can't be viewed, it just times out. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From barry at python.org Tue Dec 28 03:58:35 2004 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:58:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman contractors Message-ID: <1104202714.9110.235.camel@presto.wooz.org> From time to time I get requests for Mailman installation or customization help, often for compensation. This is not something I do so I usually have to turn people down cold, or tell them to email these two mailing lists. However, such requests are coming in more often these days, so I wonder if it makes sense to try to collect a list of people willing to provide Mailman services. I would not be willing to recommend anyone specifically, but I would be happy to point such requests at say, a wiki page where people can self-register. What do you think? We can either use the FAQ or we can use the Python.org wiki. I'd rather not be in the loop so I don't want to use the static list.org pages. I think we as a community can self-regulate this list. -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20041227/482fdc2f/attachment.pgp From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Tue Dec 28 06:27:33 2004 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:27:33 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timeout on visiting pending moderator requests In-Reply-To: <874qi7c85v.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> References: <87zmzzqkjf.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> <41D0BF7D.5080409@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <874qi7c85v.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Message-ID: <41D0EEC5.2080303@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi again, Morgan Fletcher wrote: > Tokio Kikuchi writes: > >>% cd >>% find data -ctime +7 -name heldmsg\*.pck | xargs bin/discard > > > Thanks, this worked... to a point. Then I got: > > Discarded held msg #9196 for list fj55 > Discarded held msg #9197 for list fj55 > Discarded held msg #9198 for list fj55 > Discarded held msg #9199 for list fj55 > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "bin/discard", line 120, in ? > main() > File "bin/discard", line 110, in main > mlist.HandleRequest(id, mm_cfg.DISCARD, '', False, False, '') > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 156, in HandleRequest > rtype, data = self.__db[id] > KeyError: 8752 > > One heldmsg*.pck remains that is +7 days old. A problem? I believe this message can safely removed by: % find data -ctime +7 -name heldmsg\*.pck | xargs rm You can't handle it anyway. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From morgan at hahaha.org Tue Dec 28 06:29:49 2004 From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:29:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timeout on visiting pending moderator requests In-Reply-To: <41D0BF7D.5080409@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> (Tokio Kikuchi's message of "Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:05:49 +0900") References: <87zmzzqkjf.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> <41D0BF7D.5080409@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <87sm5rat2q.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Tokio Kikuchi writes: > % cd > % find data -ctime +7 -name heldmsg\*.pck | xargs bin/discard That works but the problem remains after removing some of the heldmsg files for that list - the admindb/listname URL never loads. There are now 161 of the heldmsg--*.pck files. I can load the pending administrative requests pages for all my other lists, including those with bigger admin queues. I appreciate your help, Morgan -- Morgan Fletcher, morgan at hahaha.org Oakland, CA From elicohen at informingscience.org Mon Dec 27 19:21:07 2004 From: elicohen at informingscience.org (Eli Cohen) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 10:21:07 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] report of break in Message-ID: <20041227194101.7E6101E4007@bag.python.org> Hi, I discovered this week a security breach that affected Mailman, after an email was sent out, that started as follows: From: Newsletter-bounces at israelupdate.info [mailto:Newsletter-bounces at israelupdate.info]On Behalf Of MADAM GLADYS ADA Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 6:42 AM To: Newsletter at israelupdate.info Subject: [IAC Newsletter] URGENT ATTN You are receiving this newsletter because you requested it. To Unsubscribe or change your settings (vacation stop, plain text only, daily digest only, ...), please visit http://Update.IsraelUpdate.Info . <-- this is my header My Dear , I am Mrs Gladys Ada from liberia. I am a widow being that I lost my husband a couple of months ago. My husband was a serving director of the Cocoa exporting boarduntil his death He was assassinated last january by the rebels following the political uprising. Before his death he had a foreign account here in Capital Point Financial Corporation in Emirates up to the tune of ($34.5m) . When viewing the page mailman/admin/newsletter_israelupdate.info/privacy/sender, I discovered that Mrs. Ada's name and email address added to non-members allowed to post. Yes, I am using version 2.1.5. I am using a shared host (on esc01.midphase.com). (I would copy this to support @ midPhase, but they do not accept email contact.) Thought you might want to know. -eli Dr. Eli Cohen From Akat10k2 at aol.com Mon Dec 27 21:03:31 2004 From: Akat10k2 at aol.com (Akat10k2 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:03:31 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <1cb.2e05fee7.2f01c493@aol.com> IS there a phone number I can call for help? mY cell number is 541-390-0112 Thank you From bryan at yu.edu Mon Dec 27 22:55:33 2004 From: bryan at yu.edu (bryan) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:55:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] requiring confirmation before posting to a list Message-ID: hi, is there any way to require the sender of a post to a list to confirm that he/she was the real poster? i.e. can a confirmation request be sent to their email address. or is there another way you can suggest to confirm the post is really coming from who it says it is? bz From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Dec 28 06:56:24 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:56:24 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman contractors In-Reply-To: <1104202714.9110.235.camel@presto.wooz.org> References: <1104202714.9110.235.camel@presto.wooz.org> Message-ID: At 9:58 PM -0500 2004-12-27, Barry Warsaw wrote: > What do you think? We can either use the FAQ or we can use the > Python.org wiki. I'd rather not be in the loop so I don't want to use > the static list.org pages. I think we as a community can self-regulate > this list. I think a wiki would be a good way to handle this situation. We already do this for sites that do Mailman hosting, right? Why not apply the same solution here? -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From dansociety at earthlink.net Tue Dec 28 10:50:38 2004 From: dansociety at earthlink.net (dansociety@earthlink.net Mail Account) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:50:38 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question Message-ID: <41D12C6E.000007.00356@WHAPAPUS> I currently run a private mailing list on the mailman server. My network members can send and received mail to this network that is moderated by me. Current, inclusion into this mailing list is manual. This means I must manually add an e-mail address because this is a private network. I want to automate this mailing list. I want a list that automatically sends password info after a membership payment is made to a payment processor. Can mailman be used in this way? R.W. From brad.marshall at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 11:37:57 2004 From: brad.marshall at gmail.com (Brad Marshall) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:37:57 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How may I convert Majordomo lists to mailman? In-Reply-To: <41CA49C9.90403@swampgas.com> References: <767D98BAB669E74E8CFCB861554159FB014B54@ecsube2.ec-admin.easternct.edu> <41CA49C9.90403@swampgas.com> Message-ID: <81b7425a041228023715db83c6@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:30:01 -0600, Michael Owings wrote: > There is no way to directly import the .config file AFAIK, but setting > up the list options is pretty trivial. I found the whole process took > all of 5-minutes per list. Which is all very well with a small number of lists, but earlier this year I had to convert something like 800 lists. I wrote a small script that would automate most of it for me, available at http://quark.humbug.org.au/publications/scripts/mailman/majordomo2mailman. It assumes you have an extract of the majordomo aliases file, as well as the config and subscriber lists. Please note is pretty rough and ready, but mostly worked for me. It might require a bit of hacking to work in your environment. We also hacked up a quick majordomo answer script, which did handle the basic subscribe / unsubscribe functions, and gave back an error message telling people where to look for more information for anything it didn't understand (which was quite a bit). Thanks, Brad -- Brad Marshall brad at humbug.org.au http://quark.humbug.org.au/ From morgan at hahaha.org Wed Dec 29 01:55:56 2004 From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:55:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timeout on visiting pending moderator requests In-Reply-To: <87zmzzqkjf.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> (Morgan Fletcher's message of "Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:27:32 -0800") References: <87zmzzqkjf.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Message-ID: <878y7hx6qr.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> Morgan Fletcher writes: > I have a netbsd 1.6 machine running Mailman 2.1.5 serving about twenty > lists. One of my lists has a problem where it's pending moderator requests > page can't be viewed, it just times out. I'm speaking about the URL that > ends in admindb/. I see the vette log increase by about 320Kb > everytime I visit the pending moderator requests page. There are 629 files > named data/heldmsg--* using 3100Kb of disk space. I haven't been > able to decipher the problem. Is there anything I can do to debug this problem? I can use the discard tool to discard messages blindly, but I would like to again be able to use the admindb/ URL to review and act upon the admin queue. Morgan -- Morgan Fletcher, morgan at hahaha.org Oakland, CA From hmag at ozemail.com.au Wed Dec 29 06:00:30 2004 From: hmag at ozemail.com.au (Terry Allen) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:00:30 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman contractors In-Reply-To: <1104202714.9110.235.camel@presto.wooz.org> References: <1104202714.9110.235.camel@presto.wooz.org> Message-ID: >Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; > protocol="application/pgp-signature"; > boundary="=-qS2V15l762cHWhkko8jd" > >>From time to time I get requests for Mailman installation or >customization help, often for compensation. This is not something I do >so I usually have to turn people down cold, or tell them to email these >two mailing lists. > >However, such requests are coming in more often these days, so I wonder >if it makes sense to try to collect a list of people willing to provide >Mailman services. I would not be willing to recommend anyone >specifically, but I would be happy to point such requests at say, a wiki >page where people can self-register. > >What do you think? We can either use the FAQ or we can use the >Python.org wiki. I'd rather not be in the loop so I don't want to use >the static list.org pages. I think we as a community can self-regulate >this list. > >-Barry > Hi again, I think this is a good idea - since getting our own Mailman installation working, I have recieved requests for help installing. Possibly a good idea. -- Bye for now, Terry Allen ___________________________________________________________________ hEARd Postal Address: hEARd, 26B Glenning Rd, Glenning Valley, NSW 2261, Australia Internet - WWW: http://heard.com.au http://itavservices.com EMAIL: hmag at ozemail.com.au Phone: Australia - 02 4388 1400 / International - + 61 2 43881400 Mobile: Australia - 04 28881400 / International - 61 4 28881400 ----------------------------------------------- Non profit promotion for new music - since 1994 ----------------------------------------------- From aaron at mutualaid.org Wed Dec 29 06:41:53 2004 From: aaron at mutualaid.org (aaron) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:41:53 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] TypeError: unicode() argument 2 must be string, not None Message-ID: <20041229054134.C5B061E4003@bag.python.org> Hello. I'm getting the following error when rebuilding the archives (using /mailman/bin/arch) for a list. I was unable to find anything relevant in the mailman-users archives and would greatly appreciate any suggestions. I'm running Mailman 2.1.2 on FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE-p11 with Python 2.1.3. Updating HTML for article 7152 Updating HTML for article 7151 Updating HTML for article 7153 Updating HTML for article 7155 Updating HTML for article 7154 Pickling archive state into /home/mailman/archives/private/listname/pipermail.pck Traceback (most recent call last): File "./arch", line 187, in ? main() File "./arch", line 175, in main archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, start, end) File "/home/mailman//Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 544, in processUnixMailbox m = mbox.next() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.1/mailbox.py", line 30, in next return self.factory(_Subfile(self.fp, start, stop)) File "/home/mailman//Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 89, in scrubber return mailbox.scrub(msg) File "/home/mailman//Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 109, in scrub return self._scrubber(self._mlist, msg) File "/home/mailman//Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257, in process url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir) File "/home/mailman//Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 348, in save_attachment fnext = os.path.splitext(msg.get_filename(''))[1] File "/home/mailman//pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 707, in get_filename return unicode(newvalue[2], newvalue[0]) TypeError: unicode() argument 2 must be string, not None From greghays at webforcedesign.com Wed Dec 29 15:32:26 2004 From: greghays at webforcedesign.com (Greg Hays [webforcedesign.com]) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 08:32:26 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up list with a cronjob command Message-ID: Hello all, I've been told I can back up my list addresses by running a cronjob. What command do I put in and that will run a mailman backup? It only gives me one line. Thanks for your help? Greg Hays From rtaylor at purecreative.com Wed Dec 29 15:38:32 2004 From: rtaylor at purecreative.com (Ronnie Taylor) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 09:38:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't unsubscribe user Message-ID: <41D2C168.9050309@purecreative.com> hello all... i am using Mailman installed from an rpm (mailman-2.1.5-6) on a fedora core 1 system.... one particular list has been going along just fine....until the other day when I recieved a complaint from a user that they were unable to get off the list...I tested the scenario out from another email address (on a Mac Outlook 2001 client) and i am cannot unsubscribe... when I send to testlist-unsubscribe at mydomain.com....i get a message saying that my email address is not in the member list and can't be unsubscribed... I've check the error logs on the server and I've manually searched for my email in the member list and even grep'd the entire mailman install from the cli for the address to no avail... thanks... RT From abwatson at mindspring.com Thu Dec 30 01:16:00 2004 From: abwatson at mindspring.com (Andrew Watson) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:16:00 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] discard nonmembers in 2.0.7 In-Reply-To: <20041226110035.5CDCF1E400B@bag.python.org> References: <20041226110035.5CDCF1E400B@bag.python.org> Message-ID: I am on an isp (verio) which has not upgraded mailman beyond 2.0.7, and has no plans to do so. I am desperate for some method that will discard posts from non-members (spam); 2.0.7 won't do that, I gather 2.1.5 will. I already adopted the nice script that checks the discard button on all messages, but I still have to look at the subject line of each one of several hundred, and mailmain crashes if I don't tend to this daily. Verio offers an expensive vps server on which I could install my own mailman 2.1.5, but I am not confident I could do the installation. Does anyone have any suggestions for how to survive in a spam infested world with 2.0.7. Is there a script I could install, or something of that ilk? -Andrew From lists at lastonepicked.com Thu Dec 30 06:33:21 2004 From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:33:21 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache2+Mailman - GID Issues Message-ID: I am installing Mailman 2.1.5 on a new install of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3.0. I am using it with Apache 2 and Postfix. My configure line: ./configure --with-mail-gid=postfix --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.2 --with-cgi-gid=nobody The group nobody exists. From httpd.conf, it is hard to tell what group Apache is using. Apache 1.3 clearly shows 'nobody'. The Apache 2 conf shows: Group #-1 If I try to configure with cgi-gid=-1, I get: checking for CGI wrapper group; i.e. --with-cgi-gid... configure: error: When trying to view the listinfo page with these settings, I get the standard CGI error: Failure to find group name nobody. Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the command line option --with-cgi-gid. I tried to search for this issue with Google and the FAQ and didn't find an answer. Does anyone know? Thanks, Hunter From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com Thu Dec 30 07:13:04 2004 From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:13:04 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] discard nonmembers in 2.0.7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/29/04 6:16 PM, Andrew Watson at abwatson at mindspring.com wrote: > I am on an isp (verio) which has not upgraded mailman beyond 2.0.7, > and has no plans to do so. Is Verio really still around? I seriously suggest you move to a different ISP. A number of years back, they bought the ISP I was using (just for normal dial-up) and things immediately fell apart. They essentially became unusable and made it clear that the only customers they were really interested in were ones buying web hosting. Then canceling was whole new problem. They initially ignored my request, charged my credit card, and lied to the card company when I disputed the charge. When the credit card company sided with me, they recharged my card without authorization. I've heard nothing since that would make even consider doing business with them. > Does anyone have any suggestions for how to survive in a spam > infested world with 2.0.7. Like I said, a different ISP would be the best choice. -- Larry Stone larry at stonejongleux.com http://www.stonejongleux.com/ From picon at webmail.co.za Thu Dec 30 10:16:29 2004 From: picon at webmail.co.za (Welcome Nguza) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:16:29 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] howto disable signature check for rpms Message-ID: Hi there. I am running Fedora core 3 and have the following problems. 1.Fedora checks the signatures and MDsums of any rpm I install? How do I stop it from doing this. 2. I am looking for cedaga or any emulator that will allow me to run games like halflife, quake and if possible EA games on linux. _____________________________________________________________________ For super low premiums, click here http://www.dialdirect.co.za/quote From samuel.kvarnbrink at humlab.umu.se Thu Dec 30 12:18:02 2004 From: samuel.kvarnbrink at humlab.umu.se (Samuel Kvarnbrink) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:18:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages aren't delivered Message-ID: <41D3E3EA.3050302@humlab.umu.se> Hi all, I've ran into a weird issue... I guess it all boils down to me being a total newbie when it comes to Mailman (in that case I apologize for the noise), but I feel completely lost at the moment. The problem is that I don't get any output at all from my Mailman installation. No list messages, no administrative messages, no error messages, no log entries, nothing! I've created a list, added myself as a member and tried to send a few messages to the list. The messages seem to arrive at the correct destination, and a new file is created in the qfiles directory each time a message is sent to the list. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? I'm running Mailman 2.1.5 under OpenBSD 3.6, with exim 4.41 as my MTA. cheers, Samuel Kvarnbrink From tarmstrong at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 11:20:30 2004 From: tarmstrong at gmail.com (thomas Armstrong) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:20:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list as a newsletter engine (only admin can post) Message-ID: Hi. I would like to create a mailing list which works as a newsletter (only admin can post). How can I perform it? Thank you very much. From kabads at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 14:00:07 2004 From: kabads at gmail.com (Adam Cripps) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:00:07 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages aren't delivered In-Reply-To: <41D3E3EA.3050302@humlab.umu.se> References: <41D3E3EA.3050302@humlab.umu.se> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:18:02 +0100, Samuel Kvarnbrink wrote: > Hi all, > > I've ran into a weird issue... I guess it all boils down to me being a > total newbie when it comes to Mailman (in that case I apologize for the > noise), but I feel completely lost at the moment. The problem is that I > don't get any output at all from my Mailman installation. No list > messages, no administrative messages, no error messages, no log entries, > nothing! > > I've created a list, added myself as a member and tried to send a few > messages to the list. The messages seem to arrive at the correct > destination, and a new file is created in the qfiles directory each time > a message is sent to the list. > > Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? I'm running Mailman 2.1.5 under OpenBSD > 3.6, with exim 4.41 as my MTA. > > cheers, > Samuel Kvarnbrink I normally check that the MTA and Mailman daemons are running before I post to the list. After that, I start working on my MTA, by sending mail from the Mailman server to a normal email account that I use (this tells you if the problem is with your MTA or Mailman). If this doesn't succeed then you need to start looking at your MTA logs and see what is happening. If it does work, then check the Mailman logs. HTH Adam -- http://www.monkeez.org GPG key: 7111B833 From jwt at onjapan.net Thu Dec 30 14:28:59 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:28:59 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up list with a cronjob command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 29, 2004, at 23:32, Greg Hays [webforcedesign.com] wrote: > I've been told I can back up my list addresses by running a cronjob. > What > command do I put in and that will run a mailman backup? It only gives > me one > line. If you are only interested in backing up the lists of subscribers, you can use the bin/list_members tool. (Run it without arguments to see the options available.) To do a more complete backup, you will want to preserve at least the lists/* directories... and in many cases, the archives tree, and the customizations you make to mm_cfg.py, custom handlers, etc... so just backing up the entire Mailman tree often makes sense. How you do that depends on the resources available, but might include rsync/rdiff-backup to another machine, or rotating tar file collections over a number of days... but none of this is Mailman specific. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at onjapan.net Thu Dec 30 14:38:37 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:38:37 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] discard nonmembers in 2.0.7 In-Reply-To: References: <20041226110035.5CDCF1E400B@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <1BC53F82-5A68-11D9-A3E9-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net> On Dec 30, 2004, at 09:16, Andrew Watson wrote: > I am desperate for some method that will discard posts from > non-members (spam); 2.0.7 won't do that, I gather 2.1.5 will. How flexible is your MTA or local delivery agent? You could have it reject posts from non-members before handing the message to Mailman. > Does anyone have any suggestions for how to survive in a spam infested > world with 2.0.7. Is there a script I could install, or something of > that ilk? You could write a script that scripted the web interface, and have that script invoked periodically as a cron job. A couple examples of the scripting style necessary is available from . -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at onjapan.net Thu Dec 30 14:42:03 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:42:03 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list as a newsletter engine (only admin can post) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9697A844-5A68-11D9-A3E9-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net> On Dec 30, 2004, at 19:20, thomas Armstrong wrote: > I would like to create a mailing list which works as a newsletter > (only admin can post). How can I perform it? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From rnptt at yahoo.com Thu Dec 30 15:50:03 2004 From: rnptt at yahoo.com (ron patterson) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 06:50:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] removal Message-ID: <20041230145003.39902.qmail@web61205.mail.yahoo.com> please cancell and remove me from the mailman files. Thank you rnptt at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com From david at midrange.com Thu Dec 30 15:59:14 2004 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:59:14 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Apache2+Mailman - GID Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hunter Hillegas wrote: > My configure line: > ../configure --with-mail-gid=postfix --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.2 > --with-cgi-gid=nobody Try using '--with-cgi-gid=apache'. Apache2 on Redhat usually runs as the 'apache' user, not 'nobody'. david From lists at lastonepicked.com Thu Dec 30 17:07:28 2004 From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:07:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Apache2+Mailman - GID Issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's a custom install, not Red Hat's installation. Apache is running as user nobody. >From httpd.conf: User nobody Group #-1 Any other ideas? Thanks, Hunter > From: David Gibbs > Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:59:14 -0600 > To: > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Apache2+Mailman - GID Issues > > Hunter Hillegas wrote: >> My configure line: >> ../configure --with-mail-gid=postfix --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.2 >> --with-cgi-gid=nobody > > Try using '--with-cgi-gid=apache'. Apache2 on Redhat usually runs as > the 'apache' user, not 'nobody'. > > david > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From lists at lastonepicked.com Thu Dec 30 17:22:55 2004 From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:22:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Apache2+Mailman - GID Issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Changing Apache's default group to 'nobody' seems to work. I don't know why they changed the default in Apache 2.0... > From: Hunter Hillegas > Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:07:28 -0800 > To: David Gibbs , Mailman > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Apache2+Mailman - GID Issues > > It's a custom install, not Red Hat's installation. > > Apache is running as user nobody. > >> From httpd.conf: > > User nobody > Group #-1 > > Any other ideas? > > Thanks, > Hunter > >> From: David Gibbs >> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:59:14 -0600 >> To: >> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Apache2+Mailman - GID Issues >> >> Hunter Hillegas wrote: >>> My configure line: >>> ../configure --with-mail-gid=postfix --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.2 >>> --with-cgi-gid=nobody >> >> Try using '--with-cgi-gid=apache'. Apache2 on Redhat usually runs as >> the 'apache' user, not 'nobody'. >> >> david >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Dec 30 19:48:29 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:48:29 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] howto disable signature check for rpms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:16 AM +0200 2004-12-30, Welcome Nguza wrote: > I am running Fedora core 3 and have the following problems. You are asking Linux/Redhat/Fedora questions on a mailing list that is dedicated to the discussion and support of the cross-platform program known as "Mailman". You are not likely to find much in the way of useful answers to your questions on this list. You should go find mailing lists and other resources that are specific to your particular platform, and ask your questions there. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Dec 30 19:52:23 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:52:23 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removal In-Reply-To: <20041230145003.39902.qmail@web61205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041230145003.39902.qmail@web61205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 6:50 AM -0800 2004-12-30, ron patterson wrote: > please cancell and remove me from the mailman files. > Thank you rnptt at yahoo.com Please go to the web page at and follow the instructions there. Alternatively, note that every post to the list comes through with the following headers defined: List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Depending on your MUA, you may be able to just click on the appropriate link for unsubscribing from the list. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From hauns at fros.com Thu Dec 30 20:34:39 2004 From: hauns at fros.com (Hauns Froehlingsdorf) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:34:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Huge List Message-ID: <1636.209.173.238.3.1104435279.squirrel@webmail.fros.com> I am hoping that someone will be able to help me out here. I have been using mailman for a while now and am very familiar and happy with its functionality! I have a client that wants to bring his list over to mailman, he has roughly 200,000 subscribers to this list and it is used once a month for a newsletter. The system I will be putting this on is a pretty beafy dell edge server running RH AS3.0, dual processor and 1 GB of memory. Sendmail for MTA. Has anyone ever had experience or heard of how mailman/sendmail will play with a list of this size? Thanks, Hauns -- Hauns Froehlingsdorf KI0GU From c_riley at yahoo.com Thu Dec 30 20:47:46 2004 From: c_riley at yahoo.com (Chris Riley) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:47:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems migrating mailman site Message-ID: <20041230194746.71059.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> I'm upgrading my box from Fedora to Gentoo. I've saved my old mailman directory and have just installed Mailman in Gentoo. But when I try copying over the archives, data and lists directories, it doesn't know about the lists. Old version on Fedora is 2.1.5. New version in Gentoo is 2.1.5. I've emerged mailman, and done the work to integrate with apache and postfix. I can view a screen at http://myserver.com/mailman/admin/, but it says that there are no public lists. What do I need to do to get Mailman working with my old lists? Thanks. -Chris Riley __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Dec 30 23:58:15 2004 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:58:15 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Huge List In-Reply-To: <1636.209.173.238.3.1104435279.squirrel@webmail.fros.com> References: <1636.209.173.238.3.1104435279.squirrel@webmail.fros.com> Message-ID: At 1:34 PM -0600 2004-12-30, Hauns Froehlingsdorf wrote: > I have a client that wants to bring his list over to mailman, he has > roughly 200,000 subscribers to this list and it is used once a month for a > newsletter. See . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From ge at linuxbox.org Fri Dec 31 01:00:08 2004 From: ge at linuxbox.org (Gadi Evron) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 02:00:08 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] resent-to possibly gets a message through moderation? Message-ID: <41D49688.3000102@linuxbox.org> Hello. I am running several mailing lists using mailman. Latest available debian package. A member of one of my mailing lists got a spam message (it was confirmed on several levels). We are not yet exactly sure how it happened, but the result was him re-sending the message to the list, carbon-copied from the spam. Here is what I suspect caused mailman to accept the message without moderation, even though the FROM: address is not subscribed: Resent-To: mylist at mybox.mydomain From: "inquisitorRobbins" Resent-Message-Id: Resent-From: "member name" If it isn't it and I completely mis-understood what happened, or you require any further information to find out how mailman let this email through, please let me know. I am somewhat worried. Thank you for your help, Gadi Evron. From jwt at onjapan.net Fri Dec 31 03:23:22 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:23:22 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems migrating mailman site In-Reply-To: <20041230194746.71059.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041230194746.71059.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Dec 31, 2004, at 04:47, Chris Riley wrote: > I've emerged mailman, and done the work to integrate with apache and > postfix. I > can view a screen at http://myserver.com/mailman/admin/, but it says > that there > are no public lists. Does bin/check_perms report any permission errors? Did the machine's name (or the values you use for DEFAULT_URL_HOST) change from something else (like www.myserver.com) to myserver.com? (If so, running bin/fix_url.py with bin/withlist would allow you to update the list objects for the new configuration.) -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From mark.rauterkus at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 21:14:26 2004 From: mark.rauterkus at gmail.com (Mark Rauterkus) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:14:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Huge List In-Reply-To: <1636.209.173.238.3.1104435279.squirrel@webmail.fros.com> References: <1636.209.173.238.3.1104435279.squirrel@webmail.fros.com> Message-ID: <322253fe041230121457f9afaa@mail.gmail.com> I run a list of 8,000 contacts and I ran out of memory. My virtual server was a bit older -- and the ceiling was very low. I've since been in the upgrade / migration to a new server. So, I hope to be running again soon. But, there was a problem with memory errors. However, it sounds (rookie guess) that you'll be okay given the box you described. Ta. Mark Rauterkus Mark at Rauterkus.com http://Rauterkus.blogspot.com http://Rauterkus.com http://Platform.For-Pgh.org From killesreiter at physik.uni-freiburg.de Fri Dec 31 03:18:18 2004 From: killesreiter at physik.uni-freiburg.de (Gerhard Killesreiter) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 03:18:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) in Decorate.py, line 99 Message-ID: Hi there! I get the above mentioned error in my mailman installation. The complete trackback is: Dec 31 02:42:28 2004 (23865) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) Dec 31 02:42:28 2004 (23865) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/stow/mailman-cvs/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/stow/mailman-cvs/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/stow/mailman-cvs/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/stow/mailman-cvs/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 131, in process Decorate.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/stow/mailman-cvs/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 99, in process ufooter = unicode(footer, lcset) UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) The mailman-Install is a rather recent CVS checkout. The code in line 99 is: ufooter = unicode(footer, lcset) There might be an Umlaut in the footer causing this, but then all my lists have that. Any help is appreciated. Cheers, Gerhard From papadop at peak.org Fri Dec 31 09:07:01 2004 From: papadop at peak.org (MichaelP) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:07:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest only Message-ID: Can mailman be configured by the owner to provide only digest service to subscribers and with posting privilege limited to the owner ? From vaez_ha at yahoo.com Fri Dec 31 20:51:17 2004 From: vaez_ha at yahoo.com (VAEZ(daneshjooye sharif)) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:51:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] new feature request (was: Re: setting a list for no daily reminders?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041231195117.44951.qmail@web54002.mail.yahoo.com> Brad Knowles wrote:At 1:30 PM -0500 2004-11-22, Mark wrote: > Seeing that there is no way to do this without > changing the code, and that many Mailman users are not Python > programmers or do not have the permission to make such changes on the > server they are using, I think it would be best if this was made an > option that could be set through the web interface for each list. If you want this to actually get on the list of requested feature enhancements, you should use the Mailman RFE page at to submit your request. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. _______________________________________________ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/vaez_ha%40yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. From vaez_ha at yahoo.com Fri Dec 31 21:04:41 2004 From: vaez_ha at yahoo.com (VAEZ(daneshjooye sharif)) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:04:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] new feature request (was: Re: setting a list for no daily reminders?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041231200441.47732.qmail@web54002.mail.yahoo.com> Brad Knowles wrote:At 1:30 PM -0500 2004-11-22, Mark wrote: > Seeing that there is no way to do this without > changing the code, and that many Mailman users are not Python > programmers or do not have the permission to make such changes on the > server they are using, I think it would be best if this was made an > option that could be set through the web interface for each list. If you want this to actually get on the list of requested feature enhancements, you should use the Mailman RFE page at to submit your request. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. _______________________________________________ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/vaez_ha%40yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. From vaez_ha at yahoo.com Fri Dec 31 21:12:44 2004 From: vaez_ha at yahoo.com (VAEZ(daneshjooye sharif)) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:12:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: ffffffffffffffffff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041231201244.60656.qmail@web54005.mail.yahoo.com> Mark wrote: Thanks to everyone who responded. Please forgive this crosspost to the developers group. Seeing that there is no way to do this without changing the code, and that many Mailman users are not Python programmers or do not have the permission to make such changes on the server they are using, I think it would be best if this was made an option that could be set through the web interface for each list. That way administrators could choose immediate notifications, daily summaries, or both. THANX!! :) On 11/20/04, Mark Sapiro put forth: >Mark wrote: > > > >I am running a list set to immediately send administrative requests > >(admin_immed_notify set to yes), but I am getting daily notices as > >well. I don't want to receive daily notices. The immediate notices > >are sufficient. Nor do I see the logic in filling my inbox with > >daily notices when I'm not around or haven't had a chance to process > >the immediate notices that are already sitting there. > > > >Is there any way to change this?? > >You could delete the checkdbs entry from crontab, but this would affect >all lists and also would have the side effect of never clearing stale >entries from hold_and_cmd_autoresponses[] (I don't think this is >serious because I don't think there is ever more than one entry per >user - stale entries get "reused"). > >The only other way and the only way to do it per list is to change the >code in checkdbs. _______________________________________________ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/vaez_ha%40yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! ? What will yours do?