From ricardo at americasnet.com Thu Jan 1 01:04:37 2004 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:04:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.4 Message-ID: <3ff36415.1a.6546.644132959@server2.americasnet.com> Hi, Thanks for the update! I have a question... I currently run mailman as installed via RPM (under SUSE 9.0). How can I upgrade via the tarball? I mean the rpm puts files into specific locations (such as both /usr/lib/mailman and /var/lib/mailman) and I wanted to make sure that when I upgrade, the files go into the same locations where they are currently. How can I specify the locations? Thanks Ricardo ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > > I have released Mailman 2.1.4, a bug fix release that also > contains support for four new languages: Catalan, Croatian > , Romanian, and Slovenian. This release also contains a > fix for a cross-site scripting vulnerability in the > 'admin' cgi script (see CAN-2003-0965). There is also an > expanded ability to filter message headers, nominally to > provide better support when Mailman is used in conjunction > with upstream spam and virus filters. > > The full source tarball has been made available from the > usual sites. Sorry, there is no patch available yet, but > you should be able to install Mailman 2.1.4 over your > existing 2.1.x installation. See > > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 > > for links to the downloadable files. After installing, be > sure you restart your Mailman daemon by doing a > "mailmanctl restart". > > IMPORTANT: You will want to re-run configure before doing > a make install. > > See also: > > http://www.list.org > http://mailman.sf.net > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman > > Enjoy, and have a Happy New Year. > -Barry > > -------------------- snip snip -------------------- > 2.1.4 (31-Dec-2003) > > - Close some cross-site scripting vulnerabilities in > the admin pages > (CAN-2003-0965). > > - New languages: Catalan, Croatian, Romanian, > Slovenian. > > - New mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py variable PUBLIC_MBOX which > allows the site > administrator to disable public access to all the > raw list mbox files > (this is not a per-list configuration). > > - Expanded header filter rules under Privacy -> Spam > Filters. Now you can > specify regular expression matches against any > header, with specific > actions tied to those matches. > > - Rework the SMTP error handling in SMTPDirect.py to > avoid scoring bounces > for all recipients when a permanent error code is > returned by the mail > server (e.g. because of content restrictions). > > - Promoted SYNC_AFTER_WRITE to a Default.py/mm_cfg.py > variable and > make it control syncing on the config.pck file. > Also, we always flush > and sync message files. > > - Reduce archive bloat by not storing the HTML body of > Article objects in > the Pipermail database. A new script bin/rb-archfix > was added to clean > up older archives. > > - Proper RFC quoting for List-ID descriptions. > > - PKGDIR can be passed to the make command in order to > specify a different > directory to unpack the distutils packages in misc. > (SF bug 784700). > > - Improved logging of the origin of subscription > requests. > > - Bugs and patches: 832748 (unsubscribe_policy ignored > for unsub button on > member login page), 846681 (bounce disabled cookie > was always out of > date), 835870 (check VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW on > through the web list > creation), 835036 (global address change when the > new address is already > a member of one of the lists), 833384 (incorrect > admin password on a > hold message confirmation attachment would discard > the message), 835012 > (fix permission on empty archive index), 816410 > (confirmation page > consistency), 834486 (catch empty charsets in the > scrubber), 777444 (set > the process's supplemental groups if possible), > 860135 (ignore > DiscardMessage exceptions during digest scrubbing), > 828811 (reduce > process size for list and admin overviews), > 864674/864676 (problems > accessing private archives and rosters with admin > password), 865661 > (Tokio Kikuchi's i18n patches), 862906 (unicode > prefix leak in admindb), > 841445 (setting new_member_options via config_list), > n/a (fixed email > command 'set delivery') > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: ricardo at americasnet.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ricardo%40americasnet.com From ewilts at ewilts.org Thu Jan 1 01:19:59 2004 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:19:59 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.4 In-Reply-To: <3ff36415.1a.6546.644132959@server2.americasnet.com> References: <3ff36415.1a.6546.644132959@server2.americasnet.com> Message-ID: <20040101001959.GA8997@www.ewilts.org> On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 04:04:37PM -0800, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > > I have a question... I currently run mailman as installed > via RPM (under SUSE 9.0). How can I upgrade via the tarball? > I mean the rpm puts files into specific locations (such as > both /usr/lib/mailman and /var/lib/mailman) and I wanted to > make sure that when I upgrade, the files go into the same > locations where they are currently. How can I specify the > locations? Three options. 1. Since this is a security fix, SuSe should either backport the security patch into the version they've released, or upgrade to 2.1.4. You can post to a SuSe-specific list to find out what they plan on doing, or you could contact the package maintainer. 2. Grab the source RPM from SuSe's distribution. Install it, and then study the spec file to see what they've done and what patches they've applied. Merge the new source changes with theirs, or replace their source with the one from sourceforge. Rebuild the source rpm and have a good look at the rpm it produced to see if the files look like they'll go in the right locations. You'll also need to study any config changes and see if they're still applicable. 3. Remove the SuSe RPM. Install the sourceforge package and then migrate your lists over. Forget about ever upgrading from SuSe. You really have to decide if you're going to trust your distributor - SuSe in this case - or go to the original package maintainer for your updates. You shouldn't mix and match. I run Red Hat Enterprise Linux and simply go with a stock mailman package and watch for the updates myself. Red Hat doesn't even package mailman any more, but I went this route with an older Red Hat Linux when Red Hat still was shipping it. .../Ed p.s. In the future, please snip your replies to the relevant pieces. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org From ricardo at americasnet.com Thu Jan 1 01:33:49 2004 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:33:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.4 Message-ID: <3ff36aed.2cb.1eee.86929813@server2.americasnet.com> Thanks Ed. One thing I hadn't noticed in my first mailman installation and which I did notice with the SUSE rpm's installation is the use of files /etc/mailman.cgi-gid and /etc/mailman.mail-gid. Does that setup work right out of the box? Basically it allows to dynamically set the proper gid without having to rebuild mailman with the specific gid settings. That is really nice. I'm hoping I can build mailman-2.1.4 from the tarball and it will consult those files for gid configuration? Ricardo ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 04:04:37PM -0800, Ricardo Kleemann > > wrote: > > I have a question... I currently run mailman as > > installed via RPM (under SUSE 9.0). How can I upgrade > > via the tarball? I mean the rpm puts files into specific > > locations (such as both /usr/lib/mailman and > > /var/lib/mailman) and I wanted to make sure that when I > > upgrade, the files go into the same locations where they > > are currently. How can I specify the locations? > > Three options. > 1. Since this is a security fix, SuSe should either > backport the security patch into the version they've > released, or upgrade to 2.1.4. You can post to a > SuSe-specific list to find out what they plan on doing, or > you could contact the package maintainer. 2. Grab the > source RPM from SuSe's distribution. Install it, and then > study the spec file to see what they've done and what > patches they've applied. Merge the new source changes > with theirs, or replace their source with the one from > sourceforge. Rebuild the source rpm and have a good look > at the rpm it produced to see if the files look like > they'll go in the right locations. You'll also need to > study any config changes and see if they're still > applicable. 3. Remove the SuSe RPM. Install the > sourceforge package and then migrate your lists over. > Forget about ever upgrading from SuSe. > > You really have to decide if you're going to trust your > distributor - SuSe in this case - or go to the original > package maintainer for your updates. You shouldn't mix > and match. > > I run Red Hat Enterprise Linux and simply go with a stock > mailman package and watch for the updates myself. Red Hat > doesn't even package mailman any more, but I went this > route with an older Red Hat Linux when Red Hat still was > shipping it. > > .../Ed > > p.s. In the future, please snip your replies to the > relevant pieces. > > -- > Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA > mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Thu Jan 1 02:00:16 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 02:00:16 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uploading Member Lists References: <232D0E260DEB2447860C22DB745F00EB3641E1@nt-domain-1.ngne.com> Message-ID: april.cox at ngne.com (April Cox) scripsit/wrote: > I can't see anything in > the documentation that tells me how to get the name to be imported. I've > tried uploading the file of email + name separated by commas, tabs. It > imports the email, but leaves the name behind. AFAIS, the format should be John Doe Regards, -thh From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Thu Jan 1 01:56:21 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 01:56:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman User References: <232D0E260DEB2447860C22DB745F00EB3641DA@nt-domain-1.ngne.com> Message-ID: april.cox at ngne.com (April Cox) scripsit/wrote: > I was able to set it up to not allow members or non-members > to post to the list. But I was unable to prevent it from allowing people to > respond to the email they receive from me. You cannot stop people from responding to the email you send them - but that email ist _not_ distributed to the mailing list, as you told us before, right? In that case I don't see the problem you have? > Right now it goes to the list - which I don't want. *If* the mail is sent to and distributed via the mailing list, you have to check your configuration. > I set the option to REPLY-TO an explicit address and > entered my email address, so that when people have questions about the > meeting or announcement, I can respond to them, and it doesn't post to the > list. Fine. > But it doesn't work. What does that mean? Is "Reply-To:" not set on outgoing mail, or do people ignore it when answering? If it is the latter, you can't help that. You can't stop somebody from ignoring "Reply-To:" and sending to the list anyway (or to somebody else). > Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? If the answers go to the mailing list and are distributed to your subscribers, you have to check your configuration. You'll want to be sure that the list is (that is: all members are) moderated, and all new members get the moderation flag set. If the answers are send to the list, but are stopped for moderation, you can drop them manually, direct them to your account to reply to them off-list or instruct Mailman to reject or drop them automatically. (In that case, I do not understand your problem.) A happy 2004, -thh From camelia.botez at weizmann.ac.il Thu Jan 1 09:23:44 2004 From: camelia.botez at weizmann.ac.il (camelia) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 10:23:44 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] trying to install mailman-2.1.4 Message-ID: <3FF3D910.4080106@weizmann.ac.il> I try to install mailman-2.1.4 using python-2.2.2. Everything goes well and check_perms doesn't report problems. But when I try to creat a test list by running newlist command ( and give all the asked details) I get error message: ./newlist Enter the name of the list: test Enter the email of the person running the list: camelia at wicc Initial test password: Traceback (most recent call last): File "./newlist", line 219, in ? main() File "./newlist", line 151, in main mlist = MailList.MailList() File "/export/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ self.InitTempVars(name) File "/export/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 249, in InitTempVars withlogging = mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_DEBUGGING) File "/export/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 192, in __init__ self.__tmpfname = '%s.%s.%d.%d' % ( AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'gethostname' Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "LockFile instance has no attribute '_LockFile__owned'" in ignored How can I fix this ? Thank you camelia.botez at weizmann.ac.il From camelia at weizmann.ac.il Thu Jan 1 09:28:00 2004 From: camelia at weizmann.ac.il (Camelia Botez) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:28:00 +0200 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1.4 Message-ID: I try to install mailman-2.1.4 using python-2.2.2. Everything goes well and check_perms doesn't report problems. But when I try to creat a test list by running newlist command ( and give all the asked details) I get error message: ./newlist Enter the name of the list: test Enter the email of the person running the list: camelia at wicc Initial test password: Traceback (most recent call last): File "./newlist", line 219, in ? main() File "./newlist", line 151, in main mlist = MailList.MailList() File "/export/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ self.InitTempVars(name) File "/export/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 249, in InitTempVars withlogging = mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_DEBUGGING) File "/export/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 192, in __init__ self.__tmpfname = '%s.%s.%d.%d' % ( AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'gethostname' Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "LockFile instance has no attribute '_LockFile__owned'" in ignored How can I fix this ? Thank you camelia.botez at weizmann.ac.il Camelia Botez System Administrator Weizmann Institute of Science - Computing Center E-mail camelia.botez at weizmann.ac.il Phone 972-8-9344964 Fax 972-8-9344106 or 972-8-9344102 From simon at caperet.com Thu Jan 1 14:38:14 2004 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 14:38:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ASCII error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040101133813.GA23222@mediadev.com> 31-Dec-03 at 11:31, Sean (sean at sweetbourbon.com) wrote : > I'm running Mailman 2.1.3 on a FreeBSD 4.6 box. I tried to run the > sync_members script and got this error: > > # ~mailman/bin/sync_members -n -f > File "/usr/mailman/bin/sync_members", line 277, in main > s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') > UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) > > I'm not sure that the error mesasge means or what cause it. Any ideas? It's usually caused by ASCII characters with the high bit set, e.g. above 128 in decimal code - foreign accents, certain punctuation characters, etc... is there anything like that in your file or db? -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From john_coach at hotmail.com Thu Jan 1 20:12:13 2004 From: john_coach at hotmail.com (john walsh) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 19:12:13 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] move a list over servers Message-ID: Hi, If I am moving an existing mailman from one server to another - what files do I need to copy ? The new server will be setup the same as the old server, same dir layout... but may be a different kernel/linux (or even mailman, but all post 2.1.2). I was looking in the mailman home directory, and as far as I can see the only directories which contain any data for a list are: archives/ lists/ logs/ So if I make a clean installation of mailman on my new server, and then copy over those directories from the old server - will that work ? Thanks, John. _________________________________________________________________ Send a funky Messenger Christmas card http://www.msn.co.uk/christmascard From davidh at 7gen.com Thu Jan 1 21:12:20 2004 From: davidh at 7gen.com (David Herron) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 15:12:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailer error 1 Message-ID: Hi, I'm just setting up mailman (2.1.3) for the first time and have a stumper that doesn't seem to be covered by the documentation, nor the discussion in this group. *) I can send mail to users on the system (RH9 w/ Sendmail) *) I have A and MX records pointing at the host in question *) If I execute, as user mailmain, /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post list-name and enter an email message by hand, it posts just fine. I've attached a sample bounce message. In the INSTALL doc it mentions a possibility that the group ID is wrong when the "mailman post" command is being executed. And, if I execute the same command as root it fails telling me to run it as the right group. However, in the INSTALL doc it mentions an explicit error message which is sent to syslog, but this message is not seen. Instead I get the following (in my syslog, "mail.*" is directed to /var/log/maillog): Jan 1 19:36:38 java sendmail[11845]: i01Jabrg011845: from=, size=580, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=SMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=pi.pair.com [209.68.1.29] Jan 1 19:36:39 java sendmail[11846]: i01Jabrg011845: to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post try", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30758, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer error 1 Jan 1 19:36:39 java sendmail[11846]: i01Jabrg011845: i01Jadrg011846: DSN: unknown mailer error 1 Jan 1 19:36:39 java sendmail[11846]: i01Jadrg011846: to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=31782, relay=pi.pair.com. [209.68.1.29], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (ok 1072985799 qp 92593) The lines are wrapped to make for easier reading. When I ran configure, I didn't specify any options as the defaults looked right for what I understood the system to require. Obviously there's a sensitivity to which group ID is used to invoke the mailman script. 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See http://7gen.com for more info From jp at warpix.org Thu Jan 1 21:12:21 2004 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 20:12:21 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejecting mail from a domain Message-ID: <20040101201221.A81@warpix.org> Is there any way to make Mailman automatically reject mail from a particular domain? -- John From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 1 21:21:49 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 01 Jan 2004 15:21:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailer error 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1072988509.3576.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Try running through the list of things to do in FAQ 3.14 Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py The error looks very similar to a SMRSH problem. On Thu, 2004-01-01 at 15:12, David Herron wrote: > Hi, I'm just setting up mailman (2.1.3) for the first time and have a > stumper that doesn't seem to be covered by the documentation, nor the > discussion in this group. > > *) I can send mail to users on the system (RH9 w/ Sendmail) > *) I have A and MX records pointing at the host in question > *) If I execute, as user mailmain, > /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post list-name > and enter an email message by hand, it posts just fine. > > I've attached a sample bounce message. > > In the INSTALL doc it mentions a possibility that the group ID is wrong > when the "mailman post" command is being executed. And, if I execute the > same command as root it fails telling me to run it as the right group. > However, in the INSTALL doc it mentions an explicit error message which is > sent to syslog, but this message is not seen. Instead I get the following > (in my syslog, "mail.*" is directed to /var/log/maillog): > > Jan 1 19:36:38 java sendmail[11845]: i01Jabrg011845: > from=, size=580, class=0, nrcpts=1, > msgid=, proto=SMTP, > daemon=MTA, relay=pi.pair.com [209.68.1.29] > Jan 1 19:36:39 java sendmail[11846]: i01Jabrg011845: > to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post try", > ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, > mailer=prog, pri=30758, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer error 1 > Jan 1 19:36:39 java sendmail[11846]: i01Jabrg011845: i01Jadrg011846: DSN: > unknown mailer error 1 > Jan 1 19:36:39 java sendmail[11846]: i01Jadrg011846: > to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, > pri=31782, relay=pi.pair.com. [209.68.1.29], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (ok > 1072985799 qp 92593) > > > The lines are wrapped to make for easier reading. > > > When I ran configure, I didn't specify any options as the defaults looked > right for what I understood the system to require. > > Obviously there's a sensitivity to which group ID is used to invoke the > mailman script. How do I determine which ID is being used when sendmail > hands off to mailman? > > - David > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 1 21:24:50 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 01 Jan 2004 15:24:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] move a list over servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1072988690.3576.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> You're right about the data files, but it won't hurt in the least to move the whole thing over and then install the new Mailman. The new Mailman is designed to install right over top of an existing one and then to upgrade the existing lists on the fly. Good Luck with whichever way you do it! Jon Carnes On Thu, 2004-01-01 at 14:12, john walsh wrote: > Hi, > > If I am moving an existing mailman from one server to another - what files > do I need to copy ? > > The new server will be setup the same as the old server, same dir layout... > but may > be a different kernel/linux (or even mailman, but all post 2.1.2). > > I was looking in the mailman home directory, and as far as I can see > the only directories which contain any data for a list are: > > archives/ > lists/ > logs/ > > So if I make a clean installation of mailman on my new server, and then copy > over those > directories from the old server - will that work ? > > Thanks, > John. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send a funky Messenger Christmas card http://www.msn.co.uk/christmascard > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 1 21:26:19 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 01 Jan 2004 15:26:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejecting mail from a domain In-Reply-To: <20040101201221.A81@warpix.org> References: <20040101201221.A81@warpix.org> Message-ID: <1072988779.3576.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> You can do it using regular expressions, but it's easier to do this at the MTA level. As an example, in Sendmail you would edit the file /etc/mail/access and put in something like: cyberpromo.com REJECT On Thu, 2004-01-01 at 15:12, John Poltorak wrote: > Is there any way to make Mailman automatically reject mail from a > particular domain? > From jp at warpix.org Thu Jan 1 21:40:16 2004 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 20:40:16 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejecting mail from a domain In-Reply-To: <1072988779.3576.30.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from Jon Carnes on Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 03:26:19PM -0500 References: <20040101201221.A81@warpix.org> <1072988779.3576.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040101204016.B81@warpix.org> On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 03:26:19PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > You can do it using regular expressions, but it's easier to do this at > the MTA level. As an example, in Sendmail you would edit the file > /etc/mail/access and put in something like: > cyberpromo.com REJECT I can't do that since I'm only a list owner. > On Thu, 2004-01-01 at 15:12, John Poltorak wrote: > > Is there any way to make Mailman automatically reject mail from a > > particular domain? > > > -- John From davidh at 7gen.com Thu Jan 1 21:48:30 2004 From: davidh at 7gen.com (David Herron) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 15:48:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailer error 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to Jon Carnes I got on the right track. I wanted to send it back to the list for the public record. It was an smrsh problem as he suggested. Turns out there's an old version of mailman already installed on the system, and the symlink pointed to that old version. Further steps I had to take was: a) Change the aliases entries to be |mailman command list-name rather than the full path to the mailman command b) Then rerun ./configure with --with-mail-gid=mail The latter because then I *finally* got the expected incorrect group error that then told me which group ID to run under. Maybe I'll switch to exim... I despise sendmail anyway. Thanks, - David Herron From alblack at achilles.net Fri Jan 2 07:24:16 2004 From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 01:24:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin sripts problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040102010804.02887e78@pop.achilles.net> Hi everyone, I've just got a new virtual server with mailman (2.1.3) installed. I've done some testing and have a few lists up and running. I'm really pleased and impressed. Its been years since I've done any administration, and I'm completely unfamiliar with python. Anyhow, I've been trying out the list admin scripts unsuccessfully (with -h). For example, ./version results in errors pointing to import paths. so I crack open, paths.py and there's nothing obvious there that's causing the problem. I'm exceedingly hesitant to start poking around, but it sounds like there might be a bad path definition somewhere. I'm wondering if anyone could suggestions about what the problem might be, or how to go about tracking it down. Thanks in advance. al From gbalda at glomanet.com Fri Jan 2 09:46:12 2004 From: gbalda at glomanet.com (Gian-Carlo) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 09:46:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject email from non member Message-ID: due to stupid daily spam to my list I whant automatically refuse any email from non members, without any request to the list administrator and administrative intervention Is that possible ?? thanks From dee at akwireless.net Fri Jan 2 10:00:22 2004 From: dee at akwireless.net (W.D.McKinney) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 00:00:22 -0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject email from non member In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1073034022.9265.191.camel@papa> On Thu, 2004-01-01 at 23:46, Gian-Carlo wrote: > due to stupid daily spam to my list > I whant automatically refuse any email from non members, without any > request to the list administrator and administrative intervention > > Is that possible ?? > > thanks > What MTA are you using ? That's probably the one way. Dee -- Alaska Wireless Systems http://www.akwireless.net (907)349-4308 Office (907)349-2226 Fax From dmartin at origen.com Fri Jan 2 15:19:35 2004 From: dmartin at origen.com (dmartin at origen.com) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 06:19:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail: low level smtp error Message-ID: <8C59F5295166668-63C-DE3@app1> I am upgrading my OS and mailman installations, and mailman does not seem to be able to pass a message to the MTA. The current system is FreeBSD 4.9 Mailman 2.1.14 Sendmail 8.12.10, default sendmail.cf file Installation was normal, and mail-gid and cgi-gid were set during configure. This all worked fine on my existing system, which is installed and configured the same way. (why upgrade, right?) I have also run thru all the checks in the FAQ 3.14, but am still getting the same error: The message is accepted and passed to mailman, but in the smtp-error log the messages produce this: Low level smtp error: (7, 'No address associated with hostname'), msgid: Jan 01 22:11:08 2004 (21131) delivery to dmartin at origen.com failed with code -1: (7, 'No address associated with hostname') Sendmail seems to be working fine otherwise, both sending and receiving, and the aliases are current. While I am pretty sure this is a problem of mailman not finding the Sendmail MTA, I am not sure how to fix this. Thanks, Richard Martin From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Fri Jan 2 16:05:50 2004 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:05:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject Spamassassin Tagged Spam? Message-ID: <20040102150550.GE32054@charite.de> We're using Mailman 2.1.3 together with SpamAssassin. One of my lists is being swamped with spam that I have to discard manually. How can I configure Mailman to automatically discard Mails that have "*** SPAM ***" in the subject header? -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - AIM. ralfpostfix From david at midrange.com Fri Jan 2 16:25:00 2004 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 09:25:00 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Automatically reject Spamassassin Tagged Spam? In-Reply-To: <20040102150550.GE32054@charite.de> References: <20040102150550.GE32054@charite.de> Message-ID: Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > How can I configure Mailman to automatically discard Mails that have "*** > SPAM ***" in the subject header? I'm only beginning to investigate this option, but check out the new header_filter_rules (in the Privacy / Spam Filters category). david From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Fri Jan 2 16:31:30 2004 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:31:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Automatically reject Spamassassin Tagged Spam? In-Reply-To: References: <20040102150550.GE32054@charite.de> Message-ID: <20040102153130.GJ32054@charite.de> * David Gibbs : > I'm only beginning to investigate this option, but check out the new > header_filter_rules (in the Privacy / Spam Filters category). Right now, I have here "bounce_matching_headers", which is documented as "Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp". a) If it "holds" messages, why is it called "bounce_..." b) What I'm looking for is some sort of "dicard_matching_headers" Or do I need 2.1.4? -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - AIM. ralfpostfix From ler at lerctr.org Fri Jan 2 16:33:48 2004 From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 09:33:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Automatically reject Spamassassin Tagged Spam? In-Reply-To: <20040102153130.GJ32054@charite.de> References: <20040102150550.GE32054@charite.de> <20040102153130.GJ32054@charite.de> Message-ID: <24880000.1073057627@lerlaptop-red.iadfw.net> --On Friday, January 02, 2004 16:31:30 +0100 Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > * David Gibbs : > >> I'm only beginning to investigate this option, but check out the new >> header_filter_rules (in the Privacy / Spam Filters category). > > Right now, I have here "bounce_matching_headers", which is documented > as "Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp". > > a) If it "holds" messages, why is it called "bounce_..." > b) What I'm looking for is some sort of "dicard_matching_headers" > > Or do I need 2.1.4? new in 2.1.4. Get it. Easy upgrade :-) LER -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm a lazy sod. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - AIM. ralfpostfix From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Jan 2 16:50:56 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 15:50:56 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.4 compatible mailman-htdig integration patches Message-ID: <73DE933E-3D3B-11D8-9905-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> I have now updated a number of my Mailman patches to be MM 2.1.4 compatible and where possible uploaded the revised versions to sourceforge. Unfortunately, I have been unable to upload revised version of my htdig integration patches #444879 and #444884 to sourceforge. I have filed a support request with the folks at sourceforge but pending a response from them I can only suggest that if you want the 2.1.4 compatible patches you download them from my own web site at: http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/index.html Let me know if you have any problems with these patches. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From david at midrange.com Fri Jan 2 17:14:05 2004 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 10:14:05 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Automatically reject Spamassassin Tagged Spam? In-Reply-To: <20040102153130.GJ32054@charite.de> References: <20040102150550.GE32054@charite.de> <20040102153130.GJ32054@charite.de> Message-ID: Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: >>I'm only beginning to investigate this option, but check out the new >>header_filter_rules (in the Privacy / Spam Filters category). > Or do I need 2.1.4? Yes, sorry, I was imprecise. This is a new feature in 2.1.4. Right now I'm trying to improve the logging when a message is discarded. Python is hard when you're used to RPG and Java :) david From gerhard.junker at bkg.bund.de Fri Jan 2 12:45:31 2004 From: gerhard.junker at bkg.bund.de (Junker, Gerhard) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 12:45:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus in Download ????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <6D9A63E05E7DD211A1AB0008C71E6F8A033A2572@pegasus.ifag.de> VIRUS WARNING Document http://www.list.org/mailman.tar.gz contains one or more viruses! VIRUS: Virus 'Exploit-MIME.gen' Generated by your GeNUGate-Proxy (/usr/local/sbin/wwwrelay) on gate2-f.ifag.de <> From support at pczero.net Thu Jan 1 20:15:00 2004 From: support at pczero.net (Customer Support) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 14:15:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Edit Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040101141339.01e091f0@mail.pczero.net> How do I edit the subscription confirmation page to remove the Mailman footer data? I find it to be a security issue to give a link to my admin page (whether one needs a password or not) to anyone and everyone who browses through my list pases. From rfksongs at comcast.net Fri Jan 2 08:40:27 2004 From: rfksongs at comcast.net (Ryan fk Heise) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 23:40:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with mailing list Message-ID: <000801c3d103$b144d090$d5d4e00c@vaio> We are experiencing problems with our mailing list through mail-man. My band "System and Station" runs the mailing list on a server associated with communitymusician.com. Here is the problem in detail. We have about 260 members in our list. Any messages that we send to the list do not get sent to all the mailing list members. One address will recieve the e-mail while another e-mail address will not. It cannot be an address problem because my address is part of the list and I do not get any posts to the mailing list. My address is entered in correctly and my settings are the same as the next persons but I do not get the e-mail. This leads me to suspect that there are others who are not recieving the posts under these same circumstances. I have racked my brain in the settings of this list to try and remedy this problem. I have changed settings in the hopes of finding some resolution but continue to hit the same brick wall. Why would one person recieve a post and I would not in light of the fact that both e-mail addresses are correct. I have tested other correct e-mail addresses other than my own and still see the problem. I am hoping that you can give me some idea of how to deal with this problem and any and all assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanking you in advance, System and Station From friendly_43210 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 2 17:44:44 2004 From: friendly_43210 at yahoo.com (Zaw Min) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 08:44:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to disable..the results of your email commands Message-ID: <20040102164444.57042.qmail@web41313.mail.yahoo.com> Can anyone help me how to disable the email " The results of your email commands" sent after user confirm their subscribe or unsubscribe. Thanks, Z.M --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square From david at midrange.com Fri Jan 2 18:04:56 2004 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 11:04:56 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Automatically reject Spamassassin Tagged Spam? In-Reply-To: References: <20040102150550.GE32054@charite.de> <20040102153130.GJ32054@charite.de> Message-ID: David Gibbs wrote: > Right now I'm trying to improve the logging when a message is discarded. > Python is hard when you're used to RPG and Java :) FWIW: I just uploaded a patch that improves the logging when a message is discarded due to a spam filter rule. It can be found at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=869394&group_id=103&atid=300103 or http://tinyurl.com/2j9tl. The new vette log entry should look something like: Jan 02 10:43:04 2004 (7665) testlist post from root at linux.midrange.com discarded, msgid: <200401021643.i02Gh3B2007694 at linux.xxxxx.com>: Message discarded by filter rule match david From fball at franciscans.com Fri Jan 2 18:17:16 2004 From: fball at franciscans.com (J. Frederick Ball OEF) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:17:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message from Cron Daemon Message-ID: <4511.170.94.191.171.1073063836.squirrel@www.jfredball.com> Cron Daemon has started occasionally sending me the message: Site list is missing: mailman Can someone tell me what's up with that? Fred From mark at pdc-racing.net Fri Jan 2 18:17:52 2004 From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 09:17:52 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.4 compatible mailman-htdig integration patches In-Reply-To: <73DE933E-3D3B-11D8-9905-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> References: <73DE933E-3D3B-11D8-9905-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <98B8C4F6-3D47-11D8-B0F5-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net> On Jan 2, 2004, at 7:50 AM, Richard Barrett wrote: > I have now updated a number of my Mailman patches to be MM 2.1.4 > compatible and where possible uploaded the revised versions to > sourceforge. THANK YOU, Richard! - Mark ----- mark at pdc-racing.net From ler at lerctr.org Fri Jan 2 18:20:54 2004 From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 11:20:54 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message from Cron Daemon In-Reply-To: <4511.170.94.191.171.1073063836.squirrel@www.jfredball.com> References: <4511.170.94.191.171.1073063836.squirrel@www.jfredball.com> Message-ID: <112730000.1073064054@lerlaptop-red.iadfw.net> --On Friday, January 02, 2004 11:17:16 -0600 "J. Frederick Ball OEF" wrote: > Cron Daemon has started occasionally sending me the message: > > Site list is missing: mailman > > Can someone tell me what's up with that? You need to create a list called mailman. It's what's used to send the password reminders. LER > > Fred > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: ler at lerctr.org > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ler%40lerctr.org > -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Older versions of Mailman used to be happy with a "mailman" alias. For some reason that's no longer sufficient. -- Skip Montanaro Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/submit.html Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/ skip at pobox.com From jo at jetler.com Fri Jan 2 18:32:21 2004 From: jo at jetler.com (JO) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 12:32:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists stopped working References: <4511.170.94.191.171.1073063836.squirrel@www.jfredball.com> Message-ID: <029c01c3d156$60a00bc0$b847b142@JO> I host 5 lists using mailman and all of them have stopped working. Mail sent to them is not going through and not found in archives. There are no error messages. Can someone please tell me where I might begin to look for the problem? ThIA for any direction and/or help, JO http://www.jetler.com From skip at pobox.com Fri Jan 2 18:48:05 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:48:05 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists stopped working In-Reply-To: <029c01c3d156$60a00bc0$b847b142@JO> References: <4511.170.94.191.171.1073063836.squirrel@www.jfredball.com> <029c01c3d156$60a00bc0$b847b142@JO> Message-ID: <16373.44757.212723.481790@montanaro.dyndns.org> jo> I host 5 lists using mailman and all of them have stopped working. jo> Mail sent to them is not going through and not found in archives. jo> There are no error messages. Can someone please tell me where I jo> might begin to look for the problem? Is mailman running? You din't identify your system, but on my Linux system I have lots of mailman-ish processes: % ps auxww | egrep mailman mailman 24530 0.0 0.4 4096 3088 ? S 04:02 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python /etc/rc.d/init.d/mailmanctl start mailman 24535 0.0 0.5 5272 4040 ? S 04:02 0:00 qrunner /home/mailman21/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s mailman 24536 0.0 0.5 5376 4204 ? S 04:02 0:00 qrunner /home/mailman21/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s mailman 24537 0.0 0.5 5308 4168 ? S 04:02 0:00 qrunner /home/mailman21/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s mailman 24538 0.0 0.6 5884 4736 ? S 04:02 0:00 qrunner /home/mailman21/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s mailman 24542 0.0 0.5 5304 4076 ? S 04:02 0:00 qrunner /home/mailman21/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s mailman 24543 0.0 0.6 6316 5160 ? S 04:02 0:00 qrunner /home/mailman21/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s mailman 24544 0.0 0.6 5976 4808 ? S 04:02 0:00 qrunner /home/mailman21/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s skip 22599 0.0 0.0 1764 624 pts/1 S 11:46 0:00 egrep mailman Assuming you're on a Linux system and Mailman is properly installed, you might want to try (as root): /etc/rc.d/init.d/mailmanctl start -- Skip Montanaro Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/submit.html Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/ skip at pobox.com From pug at pug.net Fri Jan 2 20:02:45 2004 From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 13:02:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.4 compatible mailman-htdig integration patches In-Reply-To: <98B8C4F6-3D47-11D8-B0F5-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>; from mark@pdc-racing.net on Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 09:17:52AM -0800 References: <73DE933E-3D3B-11D8-9905-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> <98B8C4F6-3D47-11D8-B0F5-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net> Message-ID: <20040102130245.A19764@stardock.pug.net> > > I have now updated a number of my Mailman patches to be MM 2.1.4 > > compatible and where possible uploaded the revised versions to > > sourceforge. > THANK YOU, Richard! "Me too" Especially for the promptness! I was a bit frustrated when I'd just finished installing a new server with 2.1.3 with ht-dig and SpamAssassin only to find out the next day that a new release was out. Ciao, -- Pug Bainter | AMD, Inc. System Engineer, MTS | Mail Stop 625 Pug.Bainter at amd.com | pug at pug.net | 5900 E. Ben White Blvd Phone: (512) 602-0364 | Fax: (512) 602-6970 | Austin, TX 78741 Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter. From jamie at silverdream.org Fri Jan 2 20:27:03 2004 From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 19:27:03 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1073071623.713.9.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 16:26, Jahir Jimenez wrote: > I want to install this tool to make my mail list public for other users > on my Company Network, but, I don't know how to install it or manage the > .tar file that you send to me Because I'm not too expert about linux's > systems. If you got some documents or something to help me I'll > appreciate it. There is extensive documentation for Mailman at (surprise) http://www.list.org - I suggest that if you are new to UNIX or Linux you become comfortable with that before embarking on an installation of a complex application such as Mailman. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040102/93cd9c81/attachment.pgp From rb at tertius.net.au Fri Jan 2 20:45:02 2004 From: rb at tertius.net.au (Ricky Buchanan) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 06:45:02 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: backing up data In-Reply-To: <1073071951.713.16.camel@localhost> References: <000801c3ce52$f7225b90$0101c80a@Ross> <1073071951.713.16.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20040102194502.GA29477@tertius.net.au> Jamie Penman-Smithson wrote: > On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 21:30, aryross wrote: > > Hello > > In the mailman program, how do I back up my data? > > Is there a list of subscribers? > RTFM > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.006.htp Or http://tertius.net.au/~rb/code/backupmailman/ which is just an automation of the previous, really, which packs it up and mails it to you. There's some bug in the procmail fragment with it, though, it never catches what I want it to catch and I'm not sure why. Any hints/suggestions/patches/constructive criticism/etc. gratefully accepted! Regards, Ricky -- : Usual state: (e) None of the above. : rb at tertius.net.au http://tertius.net.au/~rb/ : Creativity suffers under close scrutiny - ours or someone : else's. We all need a space of our very own that is like the : soup pot - always simmering and getting better with age. What's : in your soup pot? -- Sark, 'Succulent Wild Woman' From tim at perdue.net Sat Jan 3 01:32:55 2004 From: tim at perdue.net (Tim Perdue) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 18:32:55 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-GID error? Message-ID: <3FF60DB7.1000600@perdue.net> Hello, I am trying to get a mailman install to work on SUSE Pro 9 with their weird apache 2.0.48 setup. Apache runs as wwwrun:www, or is supposed to. I properly compiled mailman with cgi-gid=8 (www) and the list WWW interface works 90% right. On some pages, perhaps only when POSTing information, I get an error about "Premature end of script headers". As a test, I recompiled and reinstalled mailman with cgi-gid=0, to see what error I got. Nothing ran at all, and got this: "Mailman CGI error!!! This entry is being stored in your syslog: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 0, GOT gid 8. (Reconfigure to take 8?)" So it appears that compiling for cgi-gid=8 is the right thing to do, but I am still getting that occasional "Premature end of script headers" when doing POSTs to the www interface of mailman. Any ideas? Tim From raymond.mills at phcweb.net Sat Jan 3 01:57:49 2004 From: raymond.mills at phcweb.net (Raymond Mills) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:57:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FRequent Mail stops using mailman. Message-ID: <010b01c3d194$9c4776c0$67862945@tradesho1> 3 times now Mailman has stopped sending mail, system wide. several lists on several domains on the same server although different IP addresses. Anyone know what causes this? Is it a common problem? The last time they removed the list name from the locks directory and it started working, I see it is gone again but still not working. I tried to remove it myself but the rm command didn't work but I may not really know how I am not used to woking at that level with linux commmands Raymond From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 3 02:07:00 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 02 Jan 2004 20:07:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject Spamassassin Tagged Spam? In-Reply-To: <20040102150550.GE32054@charite.de> References: <20040102150550.GE32054@charite.de> Message-ID: <1073092020.4511.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> MailScanner is a general purpose Mail policy program that integrates with your MTA. It is a great help in filtering your mail. MailScanner runs SpamAssassin and then will pass,dump, or queue up the mail based on it's spam settings. It also can scan each message for known email viruses (using an external AntiVirus program like McAfee, Sophos, RAV, or even CLAM - which is free). MailScanner also lets you set certain policies like no emails with attachments named *.exe, *.com, *.scr, *.pif, etc... This alone wipes out 90% of all email spread viruses It's nice to have some filtering built into Mailman (as in version 3.1.4), but nothing beats the enforcement of mail policies done by MailScanner. Of course the beauty of Open Source is the multitude of ways of getting the same job done - so use whatever makes you feel the most comfortable. Alternatively yours - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2004-01-02 at 10:05, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > We're using Mailman 2.1.3 together with SpamAssassin. One of my lists > is being swamped with spam that I have to discard manually. > > How can I configure Mailman to automatically discard Mails that have "*** > SPAM ***" in the subject header? From barry at python.org Sat Jan 3 02:23:21 2004 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 20:23:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: cgi-GID error? In-Reply-To: <3FF60DB7.1000600@perdue.net> References: <3FF60DB7.1000600@perdue.net> Message-ID: <1073093001.6563.16.camel@anthem> On Fri, 2004-01-02 at 19:32, Tim Perdue wrote: > Hello, I am trying to get a mailman install to work on SUSE Pro 9 with > their weird apache 2.0.48 setup. Apache runs as wwwrun:www, or is > supposed to. > > I properly compiled mailman with cgi-gid=8 (www) and the list WWW > interface works 90% right. On some pages, perhaps only when POSTing > information, I get an error about "Premature end of script headers". > > As a test, I recompiled and reinstalled mailman with cgi-gid=0, to see > what error I got. Nothing ran at all, and got this: > > "Mailman CGI error!!! > This entry is being stored in your syslog: > > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 0, GOT gid 8. (Reconfigure to take 8?)" > > So it appears that compiling for cgi-gid=8 is the right thing to do, but > I am still getting that occasional "Premature end of script headers" > when doing POSTs to the www interface of mailman. > > Any ideas? cgi-gid==8 is the correct setting, and I'm not sure that the error you're getting is related to the process gid. That only gets you past the front door so to speak. If Mailman's cgi driver (scripts/driver) is getting invoked at all, it will try really hard to log any exceptions to /usr/local/mailman/logs/error. If you don't see anything there, check your Apache error_log. If none of those provide any clues, it'll be roll-up-the-sleeves time. You might also want to toggle the variable STEALTH_MODE in scripts/driver. If Mailman's crashing, you'll get more information spewed to your browser. See the comments in that file for why it's disabled by default. -Barry From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 3 03:44:45 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 02 Jan 2004 21:44:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists stopped working In-Reply-To: <029c01c3d156$60a00bc0$b847b142@JO> References: <4511.170.94.191.171.1073063836.squirrel@www.jfredball.com> <029c01c3d156$60a00bc0$b847b142@JO> Message-ID: <1073097885.4511.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-01-02 at 12:32, JO wrote: > I host 5 lists using mailman and all of them have stopped working. Mail > sent to them is not going through and not found in archives. There are no > error messages. Can someone please tell me where I might begin to look for > the problem? > > ThIA for any direction and/or help, > JO > http://www.jetler.com > Check out FAQ 3.14 which is dedicated to resolving this problem. Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Sounds like (Mailman versions 2.0.x or lower) your cron daemon stopped running, or (Mailman versions 2.1.x or above) your mailman daemon is stopped. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 3 07:32:46 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 03 Jan 2004 01:32:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with mailing list In-Reply-To: <000801c3d103$b144d090$d5d4e00c@vaio> References: <000801c3d103$b144d090$d5d4e00c@vaio> Message-ID: <1073111566.4511.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-01-02 at 02:40, Ryan fk Heise wrote: > We are experiencing problems with our mailing list through mail-man. My band "System and Station" runs the mailing list on a server associated with communitymusician.com. Here is the problem in detail. We have about 260 members in our list. Any messages that we send to the list do not get sent to all the mailing list members. One address will recieve the e-mail while another e-mail address will not. It cannot be an address problem because my address is part of the list and I do not get any posts to the mailing list. My address is entered in correctly and my settings are the same as the next persons but I do not get the e-mail. This leads me to suspect that there are others who are not recieving the posts under these same circumstances. I have racked my brain in the settings of this list to try and remedy this problem. I have changed settings in the hopes of finding some resolution but continue to hit the same brick wall. Why would one person recieve a post and I would not in light of the fact that both e-mail addresses are correct. I have tested other correct e-mail addresses other than my own and still see the problem. I am hoping that you can give me some idea of how to deal with this problem and any and all assistance would be greatly appreciated. > Thanking you in advance, > System and Station There are a great many reasons why this may be happening. It could be that your mailhost (communitymusician.com) got flagged as a spammer - and then most of the other mailhosts are rejecting the mail from the list. It could be any number of problems with the server: running out of ram, failing network card, intermittent DNS service, some volumes running low or full on the server.... There are too many reasons to be mentioned, and most of them need to be looked at by a local admin for the server in question. Point the local admin to FAQ 3.14 from Mailman and it will help them troubleshot whatever the problem may be (if it's related to Mailman). Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Good Luck - Jon Carnes From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Sat Jan 3 09:37:31 2004 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:37:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject Spamassassin Tagged Spam? In-Reply-To: <1073092020.4511.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20040102150550.GE32054@charite.de> <1073092020.4511.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040103083731.GC20496@charite.de> * Jon Carnes : > MailScanner is a general purpose Mail policy program that integrates > with your MTA. It is a great help in filtering your mail. I don't need MailScanner because I already use amavisd-new. Also, MailScanner is not safe with Postfix since it operates on the queue files. I already HAVE a solution that's only tagging mails (for legal reasons). I could tell amavisd to drop mails to my lists if the spam threshold is exceeded, but I'm too lazy for that... -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - AIM. ralfpostfix From mggpainter at hotmail.com Sat Jan 3 14:26:23 2004 From: mggpainter at hotmail.com (Matthew Painter) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 23:26:23 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Setup Problem Message-ID: Hi all, Is this a problem I can fix or does it need to be attended to by my web host? >From this address:- http://s10.s10avahost.net/mailman/listinfo/family_painterinfo.com You register for the mailing list. A confirmation email is sent, requesting you reply to the email to confirm your registration and this fails. Also the following page:- http://s10.s10avahost.net/mailman/subscribe/family_painterinfo.com has a link to email the webmaster:- mailto:Family_painterinfo.com-owner at s10.s10avahost.net and this also returns an error from mail server. The mailing list itself works when you send emails to the address family at painterinfo.com and the administration page works, it is just the s10.s10avahost.net email addresses See below a copy of an error email from s10.s10avahost.net mail server. >From: Mail Delivery System >To: mggpainter at hotmail.com >Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender >Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:36:46 -0600 > >This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. > >A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its >recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > > Family_painterinfo.com-request at s10.s10avahost.net > local delivery failed > >------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ > >Return-path: >Received: from [64.4.17.53] (helo=hotmail.com) > by s10.s10avahost.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24) > id 1Acl1K-00029S-2V > for Family_painterinfo.com-request at s10.s10avahost.net; Sat, 03 Jan 2004 >06:36:46 -0600 >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; > Sat, 3 Jan 2004 04:36:44 -0800 >Received: from 203.221.138.51 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; > Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:36:44 GMT >X-Originating-IP: [203.221.138.51] >X-Originating-Email: [mggpainter at hotmail.com] >X-Sender: mggpainter at hotmail.com >From: "Matthew Painter" >To: Family_painterinfo.com-request at s10.s10avahost.net >Bcc: >Subject: RE: confirm cc58cbd8de142bd30d379ecf24d85fcdc31b0b21 >Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 22:36:44 +1000 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Message-ID: >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2004 12:36:44.0514 (UTC) >FILETIME=[3EF88420:01C3D1F6] > > > > > >From: Family_painterinfo.com-request at s10.s10avahost.net > >Reply-To: Family_painterinfo.com-request at s10.s10avahost.net > >To: mggpainter at hotmail.com > >Subject: confirm cc58cbd8de142bd30d379ecf24d85fcdc31b0b21 > >Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 06:35:45 -0600 > > > >Mailing list subscription confirmation notice for mailing list > >Family_painterinfo.com > > > >We have received a request from 203.221.138.51 for subscription of > >your email address, "mggpainter at hotmail.com", to the > >Family_painterinfo.com at s10.s10avahost.net mailing list. To confirm > >that you want to be added to this mailing list, simply reply to this > >message, keeping the Subject: header intact. Or visit this web page: > > > > > >http://s10.s10avahost.net/mailman/confirm/family_painterinfo.com/cc58cbd8de142bd30d379ecf24d85fcdc31b0b21 > > > > > >Or include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a > >message to Family_painterinfo.com-request at s10.s10avahost.net: > > > > confirm cc58cbd8de142bd30d379ecf24d85fcdc31b0b21 > > > >Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from > >most mail readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in the > >right form (additional "Re:" text in the Subject: is okay). > > > >If you do not wish to be subscribed from this list, please simply > >disregard this message. If you think you are being maliciously > >subscribed to the list, or have any other questions, send them to > >Family_painterinfo.com-owner at s10.s10avahost.net. Thanks in advance, Matthew Painter _________________________________________________________________ ninemsn Premium transforms your e-mail with colours, photos and animated text. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp From mclee at murrah.com Sat Jan 3 04:20:06 2004 From: mclee at murrah.com (Lee Murrah) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 22:20:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam Issue Message-ID: I administer a Mailman mailing list, and spam is a major problem. I chose the option of permitting posting only by members to avoid spamming the members. However, that causes all spam to be held for administrative action. That means I have to laboriously scroll down the page checking "Discard" for every message. Finding the selection button and clicking requires concentration. Tonight I discarded 140 messages, and the problem is growing. Is there any way to simply discard all non-member email or check Discard for all messages? Lee Murrah From listmom at travellercentral.com Sat Jan 3 21:22:45 2004 From: listmom at travellercentral.com (Listmom) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:22:45 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject Spamassassin Tagged In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: 02 Jan 2004 20:07:00 -0500 > From: Jon Carnes > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject Spamassassin Tagged > Spam? > To: Ralf Hildebrandt > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Message-ID: <1073092020.4511.11.camel at localhost.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain > > MailScanner is a general purpose Mail policy program that integrates > with your MTA. It is a great help in filtering your mail. > > MailScanner runs SpamAssassin and then will pass,dump, or queue up the > mail based on it's spam settings. It also can scan each message for > known email viruses (using an external AntiVirus program like McAfee, > Sophos, RAV, or even CLAM - which is free). > > MailScanner also lets you set certain policies like no emails with > attachments named *.exe, *.com, *.scr, *.pif, etc... This alone wipes > out 90% of all email spread viruses > > It's nice to have some filtering built into Mailman (as in version > 3.1.4), but nothing beats the enforcement of mail policies done by > MailScanner. > > Of course the beauty of Open Source is the multitude of ways of getting > the same job done - so use whatever makes you feel the most comfortable. > > Alternatively yours - Jon Carnes > Unfortunately, MailScanner and Postfix don't do well together. And Postfix integrates with Mailman much better than SendMail, which has it's own problems. For those running postfix, you can accomplish much of the same thing you can do with MailScanner. See http://www.securitysage.com/guides/postfix_uce.html From mtastuff at iross.net Sat Jan 3 22:09:16 2004 From: mtastuff at iross.net (Ross McKillop) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 21:09:16 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using postfix-to-mailman-2.1 Message-ID: <16ED10AD-3E31-11D8-9BE9-000A9585569C@iross.net> Hi All, I'm having a small problem getting mailman to work with my postfix setup, the easiest method I've found is postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py (from http://www.gurulabs.com/files/postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py) but not having much success with it... hoping someone on this list can shed a little light on it... Postfix is running with MailScanner so I have /etc/postfix and /etc/postfix.in (the incoming MTA) Configuration is as follows; /etc/postfix.in/main.cf transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix.in/transport relay_domains = $mydestination lists.kleechie.net unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 450 ######## SQL BITS ########## virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf virtual_gid_maps = static:89 virtual_mailbox_base = /var/virtualmail virtual_mailbox_domains = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf virtual_mailbox_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf virtual_mailbox_limit = 51200000 virtual_minimum_uid = 89 virtual_transport = virtual virtual_uid_maps = static:89 ######################### /etc/postfix.in/master.cf mailman unix - n n - - pipe flags=FR user=mailman:mailman argv=/usr/local/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py ${nexthop} ${user} /etc/postfix.in/transports lists.kleechie.net mailman: The postfix stuff that specifies the transport seems to be working correctly as every mail to @lists.kleechie.net bounces with; : Command died with status 1: "/usr/local/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py" The message is /var/log/maillog is; Jan 3 20:53:03 kleechie postfix/pipe[27313]: 4D5573AD2D: to=, relay=mailman, delay=1, status=bounced (Command died with status 1: "/usr/local/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py") Permissions on /usr/local/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py seems ok; -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 2535 Jan 3 20:54 postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py Also tried running it as mailman (albeit with missing environment variables); [root at kleechie mailman]# su mailman -s postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py VAR1 VAR2 TO ACCESS THE MAILING LIST SYSTEM: Start your web browser on http://VAR1/ That web page will help you subscribe or unsubscribe, and will give you directions on how to post to each mailing list. So it seems that mailman has permission to execute that file and there's no obvious error with it. Anyone got any ideas what's causing the command to "die with status 1"? Thanks in Advance, and sorry for such a long question to be my first to this list... I'm an experienced postfix user (ish) but this is the first time I've tried to get it running under Postfix. Ross -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content and is believed to be clean From david at midrange.com Sat Jan 3 22:22:54 2004 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 15:22:54 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Spam Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lee Murrah wrote: > Is there any way to simply discard all non-member email or check Discard for > all messages? Check out http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=810675&group_id=103&atid=300103 or http://tinyurl.com/2ta25. I just applied this patch and love it. david From jamie at silverdream.org Sun Jan 4 01:51:13 2004 From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 00:51:13 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using postfix-to-mailman-2.1 In-Reply-To: <16ED10AD-3E31-11D8-9BE9-000A9585569C@iross.net> References: <16ED10AD-3E31-11D8-9BE9-000A9585569C@iross.net> Message-ID: <1073177473.1600.10.camel@localhost> Hey Ross, On Sat, 2004-01-03 at 21:09, Ross McKillop wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm having a small problem getting mailman to work with my postfix > setup, the easiest method I've found is postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py (from > http://www.gurulabs.com/files/postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py) but not having > much success with it... hoping someone on this list can shed a little > light on it... > > Postfix is running with MailScanner so I have /etc/postfix and > /etc/postfix.in (the incoming MTA) Running Postfix with MailScanner is not recommended due to the unsafe way in which MS manipulates Postfix queue files (dangerously). Expect bad things to happen. > /etc/postfix.in/master.cf > mailman unix - n n - - pipe > flags=FR user=mailman:mailman > argv=/usr/local/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py ${nexthop} ${user} Don't quote me on this, but in my master.cf I just have a user as part of the user= argument, with no group. Try omitting the group, and running with just user=mailman. *AFAIK* user= doesn't need the ':' part. Hope this helps, -j -- -jamie w: http://silverdream.org | p: sms at silverdream.org pgp key @ http://silverdream.org/~jps/pub.key 00:30:01 up 14:57, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040104/402cc039/attachment.pgp From jamie at silverdream.org Sun Jan 4 02:40:41 2004 From: jamie at silverdream.org (Jamie Penman-Smithson) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 01:40:41 +0000 Subject: MailScanner (Was: Re: [Mailman-Users] Using postfix-to-mailman-2.1)] Message-ID: <1073180441.1600.46.camel@localhost> I was unable to send this to Ross directly, so I'm replying through the list: : host mail.iross.net[81.168.25.83] said: 554 : Relay access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command) -j -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Jamie Penman-Smithson > To: Ross McKillop > Subject: Re: MailScanner (Was: Re: [Mailman-Users] Using postfix-to-mailman-2.1) > Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 01:36:22 +0000 > > Hey Ross, > > On Sun, 2004-01-04 at 00:55, Ross McKillop wrote: > > Do you have a better suggestion for virus filtering with postfix? I've > > been quite happy with MailScanner so far and not had any problems... > > use it on about 3 or 4 mail servers but always happy to look at new > > ways of solving problems : ) > > I personally use amavis-new[1] which works fine for me, however your > mileage may vary. Not only does it scan for viruses, but it can > optionally call spamassassin to check the message as well. > > One point which may be an issue - it is a memory hog. I recently moved > it over to another box because it was overloading my old 466MHz Intel > Celeron. You might not have those same problems, but I'm a poor student > and have to deal with what I've got :) > > You could also try, amavis-ng (I couldn't get this working myself, but > others probably have). > > -j > > [1] http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/ -- -jamie w: http://silverdream.org | p: sms at silverdream.org pgp key @ http://silverdream.org/~jps/pub.key 01:30:01 up 15:57, 5 users, load average: 0.37, 0.65, 0.43 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040104/03358a99/attachment.pgp From paul at thcwd.com Sun Jan 4 02:56:49 2004 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 19:56:49 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] manually set to bouncing? Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040103193913.0828ac68@mail.themarriagebed.com> Apparently the folks over at sbcglobal.net have not been informed there are standard ways to do things like send over quote mail bounces. As a result I am getting a slew of uncaught bounce messages. I'd like to manually set the member to bouncing rather than just putting them to NoMail - that way they would get the notices, and get disabled if they continue to bounce. Neither the FAQ, archives or Google were of help, so I thought I'd try here before I dig into the code. I did see one mention by Jon Carns of modifying the bounce handlers to catch these, is there anything on that? Mailman 2.1.2. TIA, Paul From jnagyjr at joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org Sun Jan 4 03:13:56 2004 From: jnagyjr at joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org (Joseph A. Nagy) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 20:13:56 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems With Archive Access Message-ID: <20040104021356.GA30446@joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org> Hi List, I've recently installed mailman and have it running, the only real problem I have left is accessing the archives. If I use http://joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org/pipermail/ (an alias in the vhost conf file I use for this site) I can get an index of the contents of the directory, but when I click on a the listname's directory, I get a 404 Error, What's going on here? I've checked the directory on the system and it has an index.html page in it. From Ebkirkland at aol.com Sun Jan 4 04:28:18 2004 From: Ebkirkland at aol.com (Ebkirkland at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 22:28:18 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there anyway to export members list to excel? Message-ID: <129.38a03b76.2d28e252@aol.com> Is there anyway to export the members e-mail addresses to an excel spreadsheet? Thanks in advance Eric From ewilts at ewilts.org Sun Jan 4 05:42:31 2004 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 22:42:31 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there anyway to export members list to excel? In-Reply-To: <129.38a03b76.2d28e252@aol.com> References: <129.38a03b76.2d28e252@aol.com> Message-ID: <20040104044231.GA12896@www.ewilts.org> On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 10:28:18PM -0500, Ebkirkland at aol.com wrote: > Is there anyway to export the members e-mail addresses to an excel > spreadsheet? Sure. Do a bin/list_members to a text file and you can easily import that into Excel. Similarly, from an Excel spreadsheet, you can copy a column of e-mail addresses and paste that into a text file or directly into the web pages to add members. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org From tnolen at internetpro.net Sun Jan 4 18:50:52 2004 From: tnolen at internetpro.net (Trey Nolen) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 11:50:52 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem on Debian Message-ID: <00e201c3d2eb$4bfe2440$6401a8c0@bellsouthsux.com> I had to do an update on one of our unstable machines today. It is (was) running Mailman. Now, when I run Mailman, I get this: --begin errors mail2:/etc/mailman# /etc/init.d/mailman start Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 47, in ? from Mailman import MailList File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 49, in ? from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in ? from Archiver import * File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 31, in ? from Mailman import Mailbox File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 25, in ? from email.Generator import Generator File "/usr/lib/python2.3/email/Generator.py", line 16, in ? from email.Header import Header File "/usr/lib/python2.3/email/Header.py", line 41, in ? USASCII = Charset('us-ascii') File "/usr/lib/python2.3/email/Charset.py", line 220, in __init__ input_charset = _ascii_lower() TypeError: _ascii_lower() takes exactly 1 argument (0 given) Site list for mailman (usually named mailman) missing Please create it; until then, mailman will refuse to start --end errors This occurred after an update on Debian unstable. There *IS* a sitewide list named mailman, so I don't know why it says that it is missing. This is Mailman 2.1.3. Any ideas? Trey Nolen From steve at riotmusic.com Sun Jan 4 18:55:49 2004 From: steve at riotmusic.com (Steve Roitstein) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 12:55:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL format frustration Message-ID: <3B1519BF-3EDF-11D8-8D5C-000393D3F60A@riotmusic.com> Hi List, I'm new and fairly ignorant about mailman, so please excuse me... I have a list where all it is set up to do is send out a weekly newsletter of sorts. No discussion takes place. We use mailman 2.1.2. I write the messages in the mail program the comes with my mac. I sometimes send out a small jpg attachment but mostly it's text with a bit of color added to a few words. Subscribers who are on AOL get the message in a different text, no line breaks, no returns, nothing. Just all text in a huge paragraph, no formatting. Needless to say, these messages are very hard to read and unappealing. Any suggestions as to what we can do? Thanks! Steve From jsmith at smittybuilt.com Sun Jan 4 19:02:57 2004 From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 10:02:57 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Install with Mailman 2.1.4 , Sendmail 8.12.10 and having problems Message-ID: Afternoon all, I have a freebsd 5.1 machine running with sendmail-8.12.10 with sasl New install of Mailman 2.1.4 I was changing out boxes and locations for my server and of course I thought I would use the latest build of everything. This does always seem to cause a few problems that have to be worked through. I installed Mailman with all the options for freebsd and for smrsh that was in the readme's I created a list called jobposting and sent a test email to it and it immediately was returned that there was no recipient The following recipient(s) could not be reached: jobposting at holodeck1.net on 1/3/2004 10:37 PM There was a SMTP communication problem with the recipient's email server. Please contact your system administrator. < holodeck1.holodeck1.net #5.5.0 X-Unix; 69> Then when I tail the log file I find this Jan 3 20:53:16 holodeck1 smrsh: uid 26: attempt to use "mailman bounces jobposting" (stat failed) Jan 3 22:19:37 holodeck1 sendmail[70286]: unable to dlopen /usr/local/lib/sasl/libkerberos4.so: Shared object "libkrb.so.3" not found Jan 3 22:30:05 holodeck1 sendmail[70368]: i046U5Ru070366: SYSERR(root): hash map "authinfo": missing map file /etc/mail/authinfo.db: No such file or directory Of course this could always be a problem elsewhere and not related to Mail but I feel that at least a portion of Mailman isn't configured/setup properely. Any help in this would be greatly appreciated. Joe From jam at jamux.com Sun Jan 4 19:18:46 2004 From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 13:18:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem on Debian In-Reply-To: <00e201c3d2eb$4bfe2440$6401a8c0@bellsouthsux.com> (Trey Nolen's message of "Sun, 4 Jan 2004 11:50:52 -0600") References: <00e201c3d2eb$4bfe2440$6401a8c0@bellsouthsux.com> Message-ID: <874qvblgqh.fsf@athene.jamux.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 154 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040104/19fad8a4/attachment.pgp From chuqui at plaidworks.com Sun Jan 4 19:49:32 2004 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 10:49:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL format frustration In-Reply-To: <3B1519BF-3EDF-11D8-8D5C-000393D3F60A@riotmusic.com> References: <3B1519BF-3EDF-11D8-8D5C-000393D3F60A@riotmusic.com> Message-ID: On Jan 4, 2004, at 9:55 AM, Steve Roitstein wrote: > I write the messages in the mail program the comes with my mac. I > sometimes send out a small jpg attachment but mostly it's text with a > bit of color added to a few words. > > Subscribers who are on AOL get the message in a different text, no > line breaks, no returns, nothing. Just all text in a huge paragraph, > no formatting. Needless to say, these messages are very hard to read > and unappealing. > are these primarily Mac users? welcome to AOL hell. Mac users prior to Jaguar 10.2 or who haven't updated their software are on AOL code base 5, which doesn't understand HTML e-mail. Instead, they get the text-only version your mail client creates if you're sending out formatted/html email. If you're not sending the e-mail out as HTML, but instead in some form of styled text, that's also a problem, becaues the styled stuff is stripped out by AOL. what format is the e-mail in? html? rtf? In any event, you don't have a whole lot of options. The best way to deal with this is to send a multi-part HTML/text where you craft each piece separately and not have the mail client do it for you. If you're really interested in making it look good on AOL, a tri-part adding in an text/x-aol (which is a hybrid text with a few htmlish things in it). but all fo this requires some custom sending tools, you can't build this stuff with a standard e-mail client. if you want to stick to writing and sending via a client, you're going to had issues with AOL, especially if you're mailing to users of older versions of AOL. it's a real pain in the butt, without a lot of easy answers. But if you aren't, writing your e-mail in HTML is your first step. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sun Jan 4 19:56:09 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:56:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL format frustration In-Reply-To: <3B1519BF-3EDF-11D8-8D5C-000393D3F60A@riotmusic.com> References: <3B1519BF-3EDF-11D8-8D5C-000393D3F60A@riotmusic.com> Message-ID: At 12:55 PM -0500 2004/01/04, Steve Roitstein wrote: > Subscribers who are on AOL get the message in a different text, > no line breaks, no returns, nothing. Just all text in a huge > paragraph, no formatting. Needless to say, these messages are > very hard to read and unappealing. What program are you using to create your messages? How is it configured? What kind of OS are the AOL recipients using? What version of the AOL client do they have? -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From raymond.mills at phcweb.net Sun Jan 4 20:58:56 2004 From: raymond.mills at phcweb.net (Raymond Mills) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 11:58:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hot links in footer? Message-ID: <017201c3d2fd$309955a0$20852945@tradesho1> I am using Mailman with Redhat 9.0 through a Plesk6.0 interface. I want the footer information at the bottom of each post to be hotlinked. It is showing up as text not clickable. When I try to add the html tags they just printout along with it. How can I make them hotlinked? Thanks, Raymond From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Jan 4 23:15:27 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 04 Jan 2004 17:15:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL format frustration In-Reply-To: References: <3B1519BF-3EDF-11D8-8D5C-000393D3F60A@riotmusic.com> Message-ID: <1073254527.3223.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> IMO, your best bet is to store the message on a webserver in it's pretty HTML format then send out a teaser message in a nice text format and include a link to the html formated page on your website. That way you have a nice archive of your messages and everyone can see your wonderful formating equally. Also, you get a nice log of anyone who reads your message and when. Take care - Jon Carnes On Sun, 2004-01-04 at 13:49, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > On Jan 4, 2004, at 9:55 AM, Steve Roitstein wrote: > > > I write the messages in the mail program the comes with my mac. I > > sometimes send out a small jpg attachment but mostly it's text with a > > bit of color added to a few words. > > > > Subscribers who are on AOL get the message in a different text, no > > line breaks, no returns, nothing. Just all text in a huge paragraph, > > no formatting. Needless to say, these messages are very hard to read > > and unappealing. > > > > are these primarily Mac users? welcome to AOL hell. > > Mac users prior to Jaguar 10.2 or who haven't updated their software > are on AOL code base 5, which doesn't understand HTML e-mail. Instead, > they get the text-only version your mail client creates if you're > sending out formatted/html email. > > If you're not sending the e-mail out as HTML, but instead in some form > of styled text, that's also a problem, becaues the styled stuff is > stripped out by AOL. what format is the e-mail in? html? rtf? > > In any event, you don't have a whole lot of options. The best way to > deal with this is to send a multi-part HTML/text where you craft each > piece separately and not have the mail client do it for you. If you're > really interested in making it look good on AOL, a tri-part adding in > an text/x-aol (which is a hybrid text with a few htmlish things in it). > > but all fo this requires some custom sending tools, you can't build > this stuff with a standard e-mail client. if you want to stick to > writing and sending via a client, you're going to had issues with AOL, > especially if you're mailing to users of older versions of AOL. it's a > real pain in the butt, without a lot of easy answers. But if you > aren't, writing your e-mail in HTML is your first step. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From mhansen4 at unl.edu Sun Jan 4 23:39:30 2004 From: mhansen4 at unl.edu (Michael D Hansen) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 16:39:30 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Controlling the Sender / From / Reply-to address Message-ID: I am a member of a state affiliate of a nation wide nonprofit organization and we would like to be able to give our officers the ability to send emails out to a list of individuals no mater what email account the officer is using. Mail Man seems like the perfect solution for this, in fact we have a individual in our national organization that is running a Mail Man 2.0.13 server. Our only problem is that we want to be able to completely control any and all sender / from / reply-to information. We want these messages to look like they are coming from our organizations general email account so that when someone receives one of these messages there is no confusion as to who it is from. Also if they reply to the message, it doesn't go out to everyone on the list. or their message doesn't get bounced back to them saying they are not able to post messages. I setup a test list on a Mail Man 2.0.13 server and after hard coding the Reply-to address and setting the Hide Sender Privacy Option to yes accomplished most of our goals. Configured like this when you viewed a email from the list in a email application it appeared to be from "name of the list". Is there a way to force this sender information to just be the reply-to address or something else that I specify? Even if this ability is only available in a newer version of mailman I can use any information you give me to talk to the administrator of our mailman 2.0.13 server and ask him to upgrade. Also / or is there anybody out there running a mailman 2.1.x server that would allow me to setup a test list so that I could try this out on a more recent version of mail man? Thanks Mike --- Michael Hansen NFB of Nebraska http://nfbn.inebraska.com mhansen4 at unl.edu From jscavness at comcast.net Mon Jan 5 00:24:00 2004 From: jscavness at comcast.net (Scott Cavness) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:24:00 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where's the "doc" ? or I'll build it... Message-ID: <000501c3d319$d85e55d0$0701a8c0@dads> The www.list.org/docs.html page says... " Site Administrators -- anybody who is setting up a Mailman site. This documentation contains all the information about installing Mailman, integrating it with your mail and web servers, setting list defaults, configuring virtual domains, and enabling various options for your list administrators. This documentation also gives some hints on how to tune Mailman for optimal performance." The Site Admin link above just shows the command line and cron scripts and says nothing about installing, integrating, etc. I checked the FAQs, searched the archives for "installation/setup/configuration" and could not find a "step-by-step" anywhere. The Mailman installed RPM (Fedora Core 1) contains no README or any doc that I can find. Please update the page to point to the installation doc or change the text of the Site Admin paragraph. I'll be happy to document my step-by-step install on my system and have it posted so folks can get started, but I'm at a dead-end right now. Did I just miss the install/setup/config documentation somewhere? Hope so. Can I use my ISP's MTA instead of setting one up? I have a few small lists with a limited number of subscribers. The software I currently use (Arrow (www.jadebox.com/arrow) on my Windows XP box) does a POP3 connection to a mailbox at the ISP and then distributes to everyone subscribed to the list for that mailbox. Can Mailman be configured to do the same(that is POP3/SMTP to a single mailbox)? Arrow was simple to setup because it is configured like a standard POP3/SMTP mail reader. Thanks! Scott From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Jan 5 01:05:08 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:05:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where's the "doc" ? or I'll build it... In-Reply-To: <000501c3d319$d85e55d0$0701a8c0@dads> References: <000501c3d319$d85e55d0$0701a8c0@dads> Message-ID: <20040105000508.GP14619@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Scott Cavness wrote: > " Site Administrators -- anybody who > is setting up a Mailman site. This documentation contains all the > information about installing Mailman, integrating it with your mail > and web servers, setting list defaults, configuring virtual domains, > and enabling various options for your list administrators. This > documentation also gives some hints on how to tune Mailman for > optimal performance." > > The Site Admin link above just shows the command line and cron > scripts and says nothing about installing, integrating, etc. I > checked the FAQs, searched the archives for > "installation/setup/configuration" and could not find a > "step-by-step" anywhere. Yeah, perhaps that should be changed. > The Mailman installed RPM (Fedora Core 1) contains no README or any > doc that I can find. You didn't look hard enough or in the right places or something is borked with your fedora rpm install. :) The fedora rpm appears to contain various docs from the mailman tarball, some edited specifically for the fedora rpm install. $ rpm -qpd mailman-2.1.2-2.i386.rpm /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.2/INSTALL.REDHAT /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.2/README /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.2/README-I18N.en /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.2/README.CONTRIB /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.2/README.EXIM /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.2/README.LINUX /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.2/README.NETSCAPE /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.2/README.POSTFIX /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.2/README.QMAIL /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.2/README.SENDMAIL /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.2/README.USERAGENT (BTW, you can just run rpm -qd mailman on your fedora system to see what documentation files were included. I'm not at a fedora box so I just grabbed the rpm to check that the docs were indeed included.) If you want to see the original INSTALL file as shipped with mailman, just grab the tarball. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps. -- Emo Phillips -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/+Ko0uv+09NZUB1oRAhnYAJ9yxfqNZXcT6y5vFhE5p0niIVVqIgCeL6Ex XH/sha82UU68HcBB3hkZQc8= =o0l7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From emechler at techometer.net Mon Jan 5 02:00:52 2004 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:00:52 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejecting mail from a domain In-Reply-To: <20040101204016.B81@warpix.org> References: <20040101201221.A81@warpix.org> <1072988779.3576.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20040101204016.B81@warpix.org> Message-ID: <20040105010052.GZ64481@techometer.net> :: On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 03:26:19PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: :: > You can do it using regular expressions, but it's easier to do this at :: > the MTA level. As an example, in Sendmail you would edit the file :: > /etc/mail/access and put in something like: :: > cyberpromo.com REJECT :: :: I can't do that since I'm only a list owner. If your postmaster can't do this for you, then you can add the offending domain to the ban_list under Privacy Options. Cheers - Erick From raymond.mills at phcweb.net Mon Jan 5 03:40:03 2004 From: raymond.mills at phcweb.net (Raymond Mills) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 18:40:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Interesting Perl Stopped Running Message-ID: <00b601c3d335$39e719c0$0e852945@tradesho1> Mailman was reinstalled on a Redhat 9.0 Linux system using Plesk 6.0 control interface. A patch had to be installed afterward to get it to run as Mailman or plesk not sure which did not like Redhat 9.0. Finally after much tweaking, the mail list are functioning admirably. However! At the moment that Mailman began to function. Every Perl Program on every domain on my server stopped functioning, even Matt's formmail no longer works. What in the world happened? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Raymond From webmaster at connxtionscomedyclub.com Sun Jan 4 04:17:30 2004 From: webmaster at connxtionscomedyclub.com (webmaster at connxtionscomedyclub.com) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 22:17:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting the members list Message-ID: <003a01c3d271$4ac640f0$0ebc88ac@ERICHOME> Is there anyway to export the members list to an excel spreadsheet? Thank you, Eric Kirkland From koops at drkoops.nl Mon Jan 5 23:53:19 2004 From: koops at drkoops.nl (Dr. M.C. Koops) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 23:53:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail Performance with mailman Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040105234947.00b933f8@pop.xs4all.nl> Hi Graham, At http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-May/019621.html I found your post on SMTP. I have a similar problem to the one you replied to. i just installed Linux RedHat 9.0, and I want to use sendmail. The emails do not leave the server though, but they are queued. I have no experience with smtp, but lots of people tell me that it is really hard to configure sendmail. I have an adsl connection to my provider, and my provider runs an smtp server. All I want to do is: send email out using sendmail (i have a php package using sendmail) can you help me? is it really that hard, or do I just have to push the right buttons, set some addresses right etc? kind regards and thanks ahead for answering, Martijn Koops From Ebkirkland at aol.com Mon Jan 5 04:12:50 2004 From: Ebkirkland at aol.com (Ebkirkland at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 22:12:50 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] What would cause postings to not be recieved? Message-ID: <134.29c19033.2d2a3032@aol.com> I have a mailing lists that was working fine last week. Now if I send a message to the list it isn't being received NOR is it being held for administrative approval. I know the list was working fine last week. Any suggestions or ideas? Thanks in advance Eric From tnolen at internetpro.net Sun Jan 4 18:41:32 2004 From: tnolen at internetpro.net (Trey Nolen) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 11:41:32 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem on Debian Message-ID: <008d01c3d2e9$fe1a1140$6401a8c0@bellsouthsux.com> I had to do an update on one of our unstable machines today. It is (was) running Mailman. Now, when I run Mailman, I get this: --begin errors mail2:/etc/mailman# /etc/init.d/mailman start Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 47, in ? from Mailman import MailList File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 49, in ? from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in ? from Archiver import * File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 31, in ? from Mailman import Mailbox File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 25, in ? from email.Generator import Generator File "/usr/lib/python2.3/email/Generator.py", line 16, in ? from email.Header import Header File "/usr/lib/python2.3/email/Header.py", line 41, in ? USASCII = Charset('us-ascii') File "/usr/lib/python2.3/email/Charset.py", line 220, in __init__ input_charset = _ascii_lower() TypeError: _ascii_lower() takes exactly 1 argument (0 given) Site list for mailman (usually named mailman) missing Please create it; until then, mailman will refuse to start --end errors This occurred after an update on Debian unstable. There *IS* a sitewide list named mailman, so I don't know why it says that it is missing. This is Mailman 2.1.3. Any ideas? Trey Nolen From simon at caperet.com Mon Jan 5 16:17:22 2004 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:17:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting the members list In-Reply-To: <003a01c3d271$4ac640f0$0ebc88ac@ERICHOME> References: <003a01c3d271$4ac640f0$0ebc88ac@ERICHOME> Message-ID: <20040105151722.GG4653@mediadev.com> 03-Jan-04 at 22:17, webmaster at connxtionscomedyclub.com (webmaster at connxtionscomedyclub.com) wrote : > Is there anyway to export the members list to an excel spreadsheet? You can export using the command line tool list_members, and that will give you a text output which can be imported into Excel as a Text file, comma delimited. If you don't have access to the command line, I'm not sure this is possible, perhaps others have solutions for you though, I don't know Mailman inside and out... Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From mukhtarss at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 17:35:46 2004 From: mukhtarss at yahoo.com (mukhtarss shah) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 08:35:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe Message-ID: <20040105163546.28018.qmail@web60001.mail.yahoo.com> --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square From friendly_43210 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 17:43:33 2004 From: friendly_43210 at yahoo.com (Zaw Min) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 08:43:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Results of your email commands Message-ID: <20040105164333.90307.qmail@web41312.mail.yahoo.com> I was searching on archive and found this post...wondering if any one tried this before ? or can give me some direction to how to disable "results of your email commands email" Thanks Z.M > On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 12:36:43PM -0400, totschnig.michael at uqam.ca wro= te: >> - Can I suppress the "Results of your email commands" email for this >> list or alternatively for the whole site? [...] > Yes to both, but not without hacking the code thank you for your answer. I tried to understand where the Results message is generated. My guess is that I had to uncomment the line res.send_response() in CommandRunner.py, but I am afraid to break something. Our system is in use for some groups, so I'd rather ask before doing any changes that might affect the functionality. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square From ealpert at hain-celestial.com Mon Jan 5 17:45:59 2004 From: ealpert at hain-celestial.com (Ethan Alpert) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:45:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <20040105163546.28018.qmail@web60001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040105163546.28018.qmail@web60001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1276.199.117.189.179.1073321159.squirrel@broncos.ctea.com> ROTFL Guess this guy never setup and used mailman. Use the URL below to unsub. > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From fbdl at sistec.com.mx Mon Jan 5 18:51:42 2004 From: fbdl at sistec.com.mx (Fernando Barajas) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 11:51:42 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Spam Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040105115050.0275ea60@sistec.com.mx> At 15:22 03-01-2004, you wrote: >Lee Murrah wrote: >>Is there any way to simply discard all non-member email or check Discard for >>all messages? > >Check out >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=810675&group_id=103&atid=300103 >or http://tinyurl.com/2ta25. > >I just applied this patch and love it. How do you apply this patch? I tried: patch admindb discard-all-defers.patch but it doesn't work. Maybe it's because I'm using 2.4? -------------- next part -------------- --- Correo de salida certificado SIN virus Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26-12-2003 From david at midrange.com Mon Jan 5 18:57:25 2004 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 11:57:25 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Spam Issue In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20040105115050.0275ea60@sistec.com.mx> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20040105115050.0275ea60@sistec.com.mx> Message-ID: <3FF9A585.6050108@midrange.com> Fernando Barajas wrote: >> Check out >> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=810675&group_id=103&atid=300103 >> or http://tinyurl.com/2ta25. > How do you apply this patch? Try: patch -p0 < discard-all-defers.patch david From fbdl at sistec.com.mx Mon Jan 5 19:10:33 2004 From: fbdl at sistec.com.mx (Fernando Barajas) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:10:33 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Spam Issue In-Reply-To: <3FF9A585.6050108@midrange.com> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20040105115050.0275ea60@sistec.com.mx> <3FF9A585.6050108@midrange.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040105120955.02804818@sistec.com.mx> At 11:57 05-01-2004, you wrote: >Fernando Barajas wrote: >>>Check out >>>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=810675&group_id=103&atid=300103 >>>or http://tinyurl.com/2ta25. >>How do you apply this patch? > >Try: patch -p0 < discard-all-defers.patch In which directory? Do I have to apply the patch BEFORE compiling and installing? -------------- next part -------------- --- Correo de salida certificado SIN virus Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26-12-2003 From emechler at techometer.net Mon Jan 5 19:18:33 2004 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:18:33 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] EOF/Bad marshal data In-Reply-To: <1072827778.2541.6.camel@shostakovitsj.larsemann> References: <1072827778.2541.6.camel@shostakovitsj.larsemann> Message-ID: <20040105181833.GD64481@techometer.net> :: I'm experiencing similar errors to those described by Stephen Gran early :: in December as well as these: [...snip error messages...] :: I'm fumbling a bit, really, making my question simple - how can I debug :: this problem further? What seems to be the problem? Lars, not sure if you found the problem yet, but I posted a solution to this in December. Basically, you want to find all instances of .db files that Python could be loading and figure out which one is causing the problem. This includes all list configs, as well as pending requests in the mailman queue. Cheers - Erick From emechler at techometer.net Mon Jan 5 19:32:18 2004 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:32:18 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem on Debian In-Reply-To: <008d01c3d2e9$fe1a1140$6401a8c0@bellsouthsux.com> References: <008d01c3d2e9$fe1a1140$6401a8c0@bellsouthsux.com> Message-ID: <20040105183218.GG64481@techometer.net> :: TypeError: _ascii_lower() takes exactly 1 argument (0 given) :: Site list for mailman (usually named mailman) missing :: Please create it; until then, mailman will refuse to start :: :: --end errors :: :: This occurred after an update on Debian unstable. There *IS* a sitewide :: list named mailman, so I don't know why it says that it is missing. This is :: Mailman 2.1.3. Any ideas? What is the value of MAILMAN_SITE_LIST in Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py? Does it match the name of your MM Site List? From ruf at rawip.org Mon Jan 5 19:41:58 2004 From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:41:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restore mailman 2.1.3 lists and archives Message-ID: <20040105184158.GA26926@tik.ee.ethz.ch> Dear all, my harddisk crashed. Fortunately, I could do a backup of all the important data. Since I took the oportunity to switch to the Debian-based installation completely, I would like to take over all the old lists from a manual installation in '/home/mailman' to the one proposed by Debian '/var/lib/mailman'. However, what do I need to copy and 'how'? I run - several mailing lists - on various different virtual hosts Can I simply copy all data from '/home/mailman/lists' to '/var/lib/mailman/lists'? Thanks for any enlightenment! wbr, Lukas -- Lukas Ruf | Wanna know anything about raw | | IP? -> | eMail Style Guide: | From brad.knowles at skynet.be Mon Jan 5 20:07:12 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:07:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail Performance with mailman In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040105234947.00b933f8@pop.xs4all.nl> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040105234947.00b933f8@pop.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: At 11:53 PM +0100 2004/01/05, Dr. M.C. Koops wrote: > I have no experience with smtp, but lots of people tell me that it is > really hard to configure sendmail. Not really. Using the m4 package, it's pretty easy to build a sendmail.mc file that can be compiled into a suitable sendmail.cf. Many sendmail.mc files can be just two or three lines long. > I have an adsl connection to my provider, and my provider runs an smtp > server. All I want to do is: send email out using sendmail (i have a > php package using sendmail) You could just select their server as the outbound mail server, and never have to bother with running your own local copy of sendmail. > can you help me? We could help with the mailman-specific parts, if there's anything in the mailman FAQ that you don't understand. With the sendmail-specific parts, you'd be better off going to a sendmail-specific newsgroup or mailing list, or asking for assistance from your provider. > is it really that hard, or do I just have to push the right buttons, > set some addresses right etc? No, it's not particularly hard. See , , , , , , and other FAQ entries from the FAQ Wizard at which match the string "sendmail", or any other string you may care to search for. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From ruf at rawip.org Mon Jan 5 19:41:58 2004 From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:41:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restore mailman 2.1.3 lists and archives Message-ID: <20040105184158.GA26926@tik.ee.ethz.ch> Dear all, my harddisk crashed. Fortunately, I could do a backup of all the important data. Since I took the oportunity to switch to the Debian-based installation completely, I would like to take over all the old lists from a manual installation in '/home/mailman' to the one proposed by Debian '/var/lib/mailman'. However, what do I need to copy and 'how'? I run - several mailing lists - on various different virtual hosts Can I simply copy all data from '/home/mailman/lists' to '/var/lib/mailman/lists'? Thanks for any enlightenment! wbr, Lukas -- Lukas Ruf | Wanna know anything about raw | | IP? -> | eMail Style Guide: | From jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Jan 5 22:42:45 2004 From: jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:42:45 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange problem with one of my lists Message-ID: <51745.129.111.175.204.1073338965.squirrel@biochem.uthscsa.edu> This is a strange problem that I can't seem to figure out. This only occurs on one of my mailing lists, the others work perfectly. The list in question has 861 subscribers. I sent an email to the list, but nobody received it. However, the email I sent is shown in the List Archives. So I check my logs for further information. Mailman log post says: Jan 05 14:50:40 2004 (2445) post to ultrascan from demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu, size=2575, message-id=<200401052040.i05KeQU3002109 at biochem.uthscsa.edu>, success Mailman smtp post says: Jan 05 14:50:40 2004 (2445) <200401052040.i05KeQU3002109 at biochem.uthscsa.edu> smtp for 860 recips, completed in 214.625 seconds According to these Mailman did its job, but still nothing in the subscribers email. So I go one step further and check /var/log/maillog and discover this: Jan 5 14:50:40 biochem sm-mta[2757]: i05Kl5dv002757: from=, size=2575, class=-30, nrcpts=338, msgid=<200401052040.i05KeQU3002109 at biochem.uthscsa.edu>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=IDENT:1048 at localhost [127.0.0.1] Jan 5 14:50:40 biochem sm-mta[2757]: i05Kl5dv002757: discarded So sendmail is somehow discarding all these sends. What I can't understand is, the other 10-12 lists I have on the same machine work perfectly. This list is the only one that is doing this. Does anybody have some ideas? Thanks! -- Jeremy Mann jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From sb.list at sb.org Mon Jan 5 23:19:38 2004 From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:19:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why is admin email address ignored? Message-ID: <3FE566DE-3FCD-11D8-AE6C-000A959DA4B2@sb.org> I have a dozen or so lists, and run most of them myself. I recently set a list up for someone, put her email address in as administrator, and set up an admin password. I hadn't noticed this before, but moderation requests are going to the -owner address (e.g. listname-owner at listdomain.com) instead of to the admin address that I supplied. I also added her as moderator, but that didn't help. Any idea why this might be happening and how to fix it? I'm running Mailman 2.2a0 (about to upgrade to 2.2), but this problem has apparently been happening for several versions. Thanks for any help. - Stoney -- Stonewall Ballard stoney at sb.org http://stoney.sb.org/ From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Tue Jan 6 02:31:17 2004 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:31:17 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: 2.1.2 with postfix(some progress) In-Reply-To: <200401051716.09043.rlfrank@paradigm-omega.com> References: <200401051427.56673.rlfrank@paradigm-omega.com> <200401051716.09043.rlfrank@paradigm-omega.com> Message-ID: <20040106013117.GZ15159@hq.newdream.net> On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 05:16:08PM -0800, Robin Lynn Frank wrote: > On Monday 05 January 2004 14:27, Robin Lynn Frank wrote: > > Installed 2.1.2 on Mandrake 9.1 with postfix 20031231. Install was > > by rpm from the mandrake site. Followed the readme.postfix. Got > > the web interface up and running to do the admin stuff. When I went > > to create the list, I got an error that the permissions for > > /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db were wrong and the file could not > > be written to. Attempted to figure out the problem and tried again > > only to be told the list was already created. > > > > If I try to subscribe via the web interface all functions *except* > > no mail gets sent. > > > > Any clues as to where I screwed up (besides trying something new)? > Thanks to some help off-list, I got the permissions straightened out and the > aliases.db squared away. > > One remaining problem: > > /etc/init.d/mailman start > Starting mailman qrunnerSite list is missing: mailman > [FAILED] > What may be the cause and how do I correct the problem? Create the list "mailman". -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From ContactMe at David-lamotte.net Tue Jan 6 03:04:05 2004 From: ContactMe at David-lamotte.net (David Lamotte) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:04:05 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting the members list Message-ID: <3FFA1795.2060500@David-lamotte.net> Simon White wrote in reply to webmaster at connxtionscomedyclub.com: >>> Is there anyway to export the members list to an excel spreadsheet? > .... > If you don't have access to the command line, I'm not sure this is > possible, perhaps others have solutions for you though, I don't have access to the mailman command line utilities so I use the email interface. If you send an email to YourListName-request at your.domain.name with the text "who [your list password]" in the subject or body then you will get back a list of subscribers (with their names if any) sorted by Digest and Non-Digest users. David From paul at thcwd.com Tue Jan 6 03:21:10 2004 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 20:21:10 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce detection Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040105201037.082f63a0@mail.themarriagebed.com> I've been trying to assimilate the way the bounce handling is done by Mailman so as to set up ways to handle the odd ball bounces that clog my in-box. I see that BouncerAPI runs through the "BOUNCE_PIPELINE". I assume that adding an entry there and putting the appropriate py file in prefix/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers that will do the job. Unfortunately the bounce py files are beyond my skills to decipher? Can anyone offer a place where I can get more information? <>< Paul From jc_cann at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 03:49:59 2004 From: jc_cann at yahoo.com (Jeffery Cann) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:49:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] senddigest memory error? Message-ID: <20040106024959.97396.qmail@web20021.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings. Our server which hosts our 2.0.13 mailman lists moved and the HOSTNAME was changed, but /etc/hosts was not updated. So, it's been about 3 weeks that the 'senddigest' cron job has failed. After fixing the host problem, I get a Memory Error when I run senddigest: Jan 05 16:10:33 2004 (11472) Delivery exception: Jan 05 16:10:34 2004 (11472) Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 121, in process inject_digest(mlist, digestfile, topicsfile) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 172, in inject_digest msg.Enqueue(mlist, recips=mime_recips, isdigest=1, approved=1) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 147, in Enqueue hashfood = text + mlist.internal_name() + `time.time()` MemoryError: This is a minimal server with little memory resources (64 MB RAM). I'm assuming that the problem is there are too many digest messages to compose and this causes the memory problem. Is there a way to chunk digests? The 'senddigest' script does not seem to have any response to --help and I can't find any description of options in the documentation and the FAQ did not discuss this problem. Thanks for suggestions. ===== the quality of thoughtfulness - http://isuma.org/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From skip at pobox.com Tue Jan 6 02:52:26 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:52:26 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16378.5338.762882.160455@montanaro.dyndns.org> Lee> I administer a Mailman mailing list, and spam is a major problem. Lee> I chose the option of permitting posting only by members to avoid Lee> spamming the members. However, that causes all spam to be held for Lee> administrative action. That means I have to laboriously scroll Lee> down the page checking "Discard" for every message. Finding the Lee> selection button and clicking requires concentration. Tonight I Lee> discarded 140 messages, and the problem is growing. Lee> Is there any way to simply discard all non-member email or check Lee> Discard for all messages? I'm sure there are other solutions by now, but awhile ago I wrote a simple script to do a bulk discard: http://www.musi-cal.com/~skip/python/mmdiscard.py I've only ever used it with MM 2.1. YMMV with other versions. -- Skip Montanaro Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/submit.html Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/ skip at pobox.com From ruf at rawip.org Tue Jan 6 08:53:17 2004 From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 08:53:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Restore mailman 2.1.3 lists and archives In-Reply-To: <20040105184158.GA26926@tik.ee.ethz.ch> References: <20040105184158.GA26926@tik.ee.ethz.ch> Message-ID: <20040106075317.GA4234@tik.ee.ethz.ch> > Lukas Ruf [2004-01-05 19:41]: > > Dear all, > > my harddisk crashed. Fortunately, I could do a backup of all the > important data. Since I took the oportunity to switch to the > Debian-based installation completely, I would like to take over all > the old lists from a manual installation in '/home/mailman' to the one > proposed by Debian '/var/lib/mailman'. > > However, what do I need to copy and 'how'? I run > > - several mailing lists > - on various different virtual hosts > > Can I simply copy all data from '/home/mailman/lists' to > '/var/lib/mailman/lists'? > Adjusting the old-installation was easy: - copy archives lists - adjust the symbolic links to meet the new location wbr, Lukas -- Lukas Ruf | Wanna know anything about raw | | IP? -> | eMail Style Guide: | From andrew at crashbox.com Tue Jan 6 17:00:49 2004 From: andrew at crashbox.com (Andrew Mellinger) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 08:00:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] script not found or unable to stat Message-ID: Greetings! I've been a loyal mailman user for sometime, and I recently upgraded to 2.1.3 (via the NetBSD package.) I am now getting this error message "script not found or unable to stat: /usr/pkg/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo" when I try to use listinfo. I have validated that the script is indeed there, but Apache (1.3.28) won't run it. Obviously Apache is trying to run it (the ScriptAlias is working properly) but there is something wrong with all the .cgis in the directory. Is it a permission issue? Are the scripts corrupt? Any advice would be appreciated. -Andrew From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Tue Jan 6 17:11:54 2004 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:11:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-membr submissions & regex's Message-ID: Hi, Ok, I have a list which I want my local users tobe able to post to. But the list membership is only 3 adresses. That's what I want. I'm trying to put a regex in the non-member submission list. I'm my case I put in ^*@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu which, if I understand this correctly, should allow the list to accept all addresses in my domain and post them. It ain't working. Mailman thinks all non-member submissions are non-member submissions and rejects or whatever. Trying to migrate from Majordomo here which allowed this sort of thing. What am I doing wrong or missing? Help appreciated. And Happy New Year. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |I'm continually amazed by mankind's seemingly Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA |infinite capacity for stupidity. Me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Jan 6 17:26:04 2004 From: jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:26:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange problem with one of my lists Message-ID: <33044.129.111.174.182.1073406364.squirrel@biochem.uthscsa.edu> This is a strange problem that I can't seem to figure out. This only occurs on one of my mailing lists, the others work perfectly. The list in question has 861 subscribers. I sent an email to the list, but nobody received it. However, the email I sent is shown in the List Archives. So I check my logs for further information. Mailman log post says: Jan 05 14:50:40 2004 (2445) post to ultrascan from demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu, size=2575, message-id=<200401052040.i05KeQU3002109 at biochem.uthscsa.edu>, success Mailman smtp post says: Jan 05 14:50:40 2004 (2445) <200401052040.i05KeQU3002109 at biochem.uthscsa.edu> smtp for 860 recips, completed in 214.625 seconds According to these Mailman did its job, but still nothing in the subscribers email. So I go one step further and check /var/log/maillog and discover this: Jan 5 14:50:40 biochem sm-mta[2757]: i05Kl5dv002757: from=, size=2575, class=-30, nrcpts=338, msgid=<200401052040.i05KeQU3002109 at biochem.uthscsa.edu>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=IDENT:1048 at localhost [127.0.0.1] Jan 5 14:50:40 biochem sm-mta[2757]: i05Kl5dv002757: discarded So sendmail is somehow discarding all these sends. What I can't understand is, the other 10-12 lists I have on the same machine work perfectly. This list is the only one that is doing this. Does anybody have some ideas? Thanks! -- Jeremy Mann jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 -- Jeremy Mann jeremy at biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Tue Jan 6 17:32:01 2004 From: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu (Chris Johnson) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:32:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-membr submissions & regex's In-Reply-To: <16378.57900.734293.884087@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Skip Montanaro wrote: > > Chris> I'm trying to put a regex in the non-member submission list. I'm > Chris> my case I put in > > Chris> ^*@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > > Chris> which, if I understand this correctly, should allow the list to > Chris> accept all addresses in my domain and post them. It ain't > Chris> working. > > The star isn't repeating anything. Try > > ^.*@nmr\.mgh\.harvard\.edu > > instead. (Dunno if the ^ is required or not. It may perform match() > instead of search() calls.) > > -- > DAM. I really NEED to get new glasses. Problem is I just did. Thank you. Working now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Johnson |Internet: johnson at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Systems Administrator |Web: http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~johnson NMR Center |Voice: 617.726.0949 Mass. General Hospital |FAX: 617.726.7422 149 (2301) 13th Street |Doctors don't save lives. The best they can hope Charlestown, MA., 02129 USA |to do is save life. Not the same thing. Me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From skip at pobox.com Tue Jan 6 17:28:28 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:28:28 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-membr submissions & regex's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16378.57900.734293.884087@montanaro.dyndns.org> Chris> I'm trying to put a regex in the non-member submission list. I'm Chris> my case I put in Chris> ^*@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu Chris> which, if I understand this correctly, should allow the list to Chris> accept all addresses in my domain and post them. It ain't Chris> working. The star isn't repeating anything. Try ^.*@nmr\.mgh\.harvard\.edu instead. (Dunno if the ^ is required or not. It may perform match() instead of search() calls.) -- Skip Montanaro Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/submit.html Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/ skip at pobox.com From paul.williams at uwex.edu Tue Jan 6 18:08:26 2004 From: paul.williams at uwex.edu (Paul F. Williams) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:08:26 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't remove illegal members on a list Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040106105711.00aee620@imap.uwex.edu> I am using mailman-2.1.1-4 on a Redhat 9 Linux system. One of my mailman users managed to add a number of addresses that are illegal. You can see their contents using od. $ od -a x 0000000 a b . t h i s i s a b e m a @ a t 0000020 c p . x t a x e . w i . u s sp sp 0000040 sp sp sp sp sp sp sp sp nl When attemping to list the addresses with bin/list_members problem_list it fails with Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/list_members", line 232, in ? main() File "bin/list_members", line 207, in main s = formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) The address appears if you go into the admin page and then select the Membership management. I tried to delete the address in all the obvious ways several ways, but all failed. Using mass deletion from the admin page, it appears to work but it doesn't get deleted. using bin/remove_members also doesn't work since it returns No such member: (this was by trying various combinations with extra spaces, nl etc) Finally I tried the faq 3.13 which uses python python -i bin/withlist -l problem_list >>> m.removeMember('na,bad at address') >>> m.removeMember('na,bad at daddress ') >>> m.removeMember('na,"bad at address "') but get the following errors The variable `m' is the problem_list MailList instance >>> m.removeMember('na,"bad at address "') Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in ? File "/var/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 217, in removeMember self.__assertIsMember(member) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 113, in __assertIsMember raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member NotAMemberError: na,"bad at address I welcome any assistance. paulw From paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com Tue Jan 6 18:34:56 2004 From: paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com (Paulo Dinis) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:34:56 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?q?Auto-responder=B4s?= In-Reply-To: <20040106024959.97396.qmail@web20021.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello, My auto Auto-response text to send to mailing list posters, change the text format. I received this : A sua mensagem foi recepcionada e irá ser moderada antes da distribuição pelo fórum. When it was suppose to receive this : A sua mensagem foi recepcionada e ir? ser moderada antes da distribui??o pelo f?rum. How can i change this ? I have another problem and although I didn?t find the help at the first time I?lll try again. The footer added to mail sent to regular list members, appears as an attachment when ever some subscriber's including myself sends an attachment. I?ve seen it also on this mailing list when an antiv?rus adds a footer Example : __________ Correo de salida certificado SIN virus Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 26-12-2003 Then the email distributed included the footer as attchment?s. Maybe it?s normal but can I eliminate this ? Paulo Dinis Certified Safety Tecnician Ergonomist Website : http://www.paulodinis.com/ From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 6 20:04:32 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 06 Jan 2004 14:04:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange problem with one of my lists In-Reply-To: <33044.129.111.174.182.1073406364.squirrel@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <33044.129.111.174.182.1073406364.squirrel@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <1073415871.3220.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 11:26, Jeremy Mann wrote: > This is a strange problem that I can't seem to figure out. This only > occurs on one of my mailing lists, the others work perfectly. The list in > question has 861 subscribers. > > I sent an email to the list, but nobody received it. However, the email I > sent is shown in the List Archives. So I check my logs for further > information. > > Mailman log post says: > Jan 05 14:50:40 2004 (2445) post to ultrascan from > demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu, size=2575, > message-id=<200401052040.i05KeQU3002109 at biochem.uthscsa.edu>, success > > Mailman smtp post says: > Jan 05 14:50:40 2004 (2445) > <200401052040.i05KeQU3002109 at biochem.uthscsa.edu> smtp for 860 recips, > completed in 214.625 seconds > > According to these Mailman did its job, but still nothing in the > subscribers email. So I go one step further and check /var/log/maillog and > discover this: > > Jan 5 14:50:40 biochem sm-mta[2757]: i05Kl5dv002757: > from=, size=2575, class=-30, > nrcpts=338, msgid=<200401052040.i05KeQU3002109 at biochem.uthscsa.edu>, > proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=IDENT:1048 at localhost [127.0.0.1] > Jan 5 14:50:40 biochem sm-mta[2757]: i05Kl5dv002757: discarded > > So sendmail is somehow discarding all these sends. What I can't understand > is, the other 10-12 lists I have on the same machine work perfectly. This > list is the only one that is doing this. > > Does anybody have some ideas? > > Thanks! > Indeed, a strange problem. Have you upgraded recently and this is your first list created since the update? We've seen this scenario several times in folks who have upgraded in the past and are just now adding new lists. There are several things to check... - check to be sure your settings are correct and up-to-date in mm_cfg.py, if you upgraded you'll need to add certain new settings that are set by default in the older lists, but maybe set incorrectly in the new list until the configuration is brought up-to-date. - check your relay rules for your MTA and make sure it accepts all mail for relay that is sent to 127.0.0.1, especially mail from ultrascan.uthscsa.edu Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 6 20:18:49 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 06 Jan 2004 14:18:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't remove illegal members on a list In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20040106105711.00aee620@imap.uwex.edu> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040106105711.00aee620@imap.uwex.edu> Message-ID: <1073416729.3220.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 12:08, Paul F. Williams wrote: > I am using mailman-2.1.1-4 on a Redhat 9 Linux system. > > > One of my mailman users managed to add a number of addresses > that are illegal. You can see their contents using od. > > > $ od -a x > 0000000 a b . t h i s i s a b e m a @ a t > 0000020 c p . x t a x e . w i . u s sp sp > 0000040 sp sp sp sp sp sp sp sp nl > > > > > When attemping to list the addresses with > > bin/list_members problem_list > > it fails with > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "bin/list_members", line 232, in ? > main() > File "bin/list_members", line 207, in main > s = formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace') > UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) > > > The address appears if you go into the admin page and then select > the Membership management. > > I tried to delete the address in all the obvious ways several ways, but all > failed. > Using mass deletion from the admin page, it appears to work but it doesn't get > deleted. > > using > > bin/remove_members > > also doesn't work since it returns > > No such member: > > (this was by trying various combinations with extra spaces, nl etc) > > > Finally I tried the faq 3.13 which uses python > > python -i bin/withlist -l problem_list > >>> m.removeMember('na,bad at address') > > >>> m.removeMember('na,bad at daddress ') > > >>> m.removeMember('na,"bad at address "') > > but get the following errors > > > The variable `m' is the problem_list MailList instance > >>> m.removeMember('na,"bad at address "') > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "", line 1, in ? > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 217, in > removeMember > self.__assertIsMember(member) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 113, in > __assertIsMember > raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member > NotAMemberError: na,"bad at address > > > I welcome any assistance. > > > paulw > Paul, The easiest way I've found to fix something this FUBoRed is to go in with a hex editor and exchange bad characters with good ones (always leaving the same number of characters). Always backup first, and then go into the file and replace the spaces with "x"'s and any other odd characters with an "x". Then use the standard remove command: remove_members ab.thisisabema at atcp.xtaxe.wi.usxxxxxxxxxxnl Always works, and always works first time! It's amazing to me how clever some of these mailing list admins are. It's really a challenge to keep a jump a jump ahead of them. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From mwj at ccuec.unicamp.br Mon Jan 5 20:31:03 2004 From: mwj at ccuec.unicamp.br (Mauro) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:31:03 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help-me Message-ID: <3FF9BB77.4080307@ccuec.unicamp.br> Bug in Mailman version 2.1.3 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 163, in main process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata) File "/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 681, in process_form forward, forwardaddr) File "/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 184, in HandleRequest forward, addr) File "/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 373, in __handlepost syslog('vette', note) File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 40, in write self.write_ex(kind, msg, args, kws) File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 58, in write_ex logf.write(msg + '\n') File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 73, in write Logger.write(self, "%s %s" % (prefix, msg)) File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write f.write(msg) UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.3 (#1, Oct 15 2003, 23:33:35) [GCC 3.3.1 20030930 (Red Hat Linux 3.3.1-6)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 Environment variables: Variable Value PATH_INFO /representantes-l HTTP_ACCEPT text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_REFERER http://www.listas.unicamp.br/mailman/admindb/representantes-l SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.29 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.16 OpenSSL/0.9.7c PYTHONPATH /mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /mailman/cgi-bin//admindb SERVER_ADMIN webmaster at listas.unicamp.br SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admindb SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.29 Server at www.listas.unicamp.br Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST www.listas.unicamp.br HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300 SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING REQUEST_URI /mailman/admindb/representantes-l CONTENT_LENGTH 407 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030516 Mozilla Firebird/0.6 HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive HTTP_COOKIE representantes-l+admin=2802000000690e3ef93f732800000035396234303561376130373364666139646231313165653663616430396531646163663136643832 SERVER_NAME www.listas.unicamp.br REMOTE_ADDR 143.106.30.18 REMOTE_PORT 2807 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us,en;q=0.5 PATH_TRANSLATED /usr/local/apache/htdocs/representantes-l SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip,deflate,compress;q=0.9 SERVER_ADDR 143.106.10.29 DOCUMENT_ROOT /usr/local/apache/htdocs From valdir at ccuec.unicamp.br Tue Jan 6 15:19:00 2004 From: valdir at ccuec.unicamp.br (Valdir A. Soares) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:19:00 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BUG in Mailman version 2.1.3 Message-ID: <3FFAC3D4.7070304@ccuec.unicamp.br> Hello, I'm facing a problem. When I tried to discard one message, the Mailman returned the messages below : -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 163, in main process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata) File "/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 681, in process_form forward, forwardaddr) File "/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 184, in HandleRequest forward, addr) File "/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 373, in __handlepost syslog('vette', note) File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 40, in write self.write_ex(kind, msg, args, kws) File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 58, in write_ex logf.write(msg + '\n') File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 73, in write Logger.write(self, "%s %s" % (prefix, msg)) File "/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write f.write(msg) UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I couldn't solve this problem and I will appreciate your help. TIA, Valdir Soares Support Systems Analyst University State of Campinas Computer Center - Brazil. From thiagu at uniminas.br Tue Jan 6 21:36:54 2004 From: thiagu at uniminas.br (THIAGO ANDERSON SANTOS) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:36:54 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan with Vpopmail and mySQL Message-ID: <01c001c3d494$d2770690$6400030a@uniminas.br> Hello List, I need to configure a MailMan with Vpopmail and mySQL, i run the commands: ./configure .... with a options make install i create a .qmail-xxxx, with a Readme.QMAIL but i this don't work because i send email to the list eg: mailman at mydomain and the email don't send properly to another list content. i access the site, bellow apache is configured, and access normality, i subscribe the list, i receive the confirmation, but sending email to mailman at mydomain don't work properly please help-me can i help me??? From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 6 22:13:41 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 06 Jan 2004 16:13:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Oh, the irony! In-Reply-To: <200401061215.51095.rlfrank@paradigm-omega.com> References: <200401061215.51095.rlfrank@paradigm-omega.com> Message-ID: <1073423621.3220.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 15:15, Robin Lynn Frank wrote: > After installing 2.1.2 from a Mandrake RPM and getting help which overcame > every problem but one. The RPM inexplicably didn't address mailman's wanting > GID no group and postfix insisting on GID mail. > > So after removing the RPM, getting the 2.1.4 tarball, discovering my python > lacked something, compiling a new python, installing mailman and getting to > the point where all the permissions are correct, I now find myself facing > doing things with apache which the RPM would dealt with in seconds. > > So, does anyone know: > > 1) Where an apache2-specific howto config for mailman, exists? > or > 2) Is there a way to run mailman without the web interface? > > Either of the above will save me an awful lot of grief. Mandrake already has the include file on your server - you may need to modify the settings slightly to match where you installed your Mailman. Look for it under the directory /etc/httpd/.. Here is a copy of the one I'm using on my current test system (which is currently RH9) === # # httpd configuration settings for use with mailman. # ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ Options +FollowSymlinks # Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com with your server's # name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page (recommended). # RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo === Good Luck - Jon Carnes From datbeast9125 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 7 00:29:58 2004 From: datbeast9125 at hotmail.com (Christopher Jerman) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:29:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] REACH 500,000+ EZINE SUBSCRIBERS FOR ONLY $5 Message-ID: by fully automated ezine ad submitter. You can choose from 126 Ezines & 450,000+ Subscribers. Limited Time Offer Submit Here Now From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Wed Jan 7 00:28:06 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 00:28:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hello friends References: <3FF15FAA.15081.B20E17@localhost> Message-ID: Euler.Ribeiro at mma.gov.br ("Euler Ricardo Rodrigues Ribeiro") scripsit/wrote: > I have one problem. When I go create list show the message: > > Error: You are not authorized to create new mailing lists > > What happened? You did not type the list creation password correctly. From scott at drscott.dyndns.biz Wed Jan 7 01:01:18 2004 From: scott at drscott.dyndns.biz (Scott Berry) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:01:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] having rouble with mailing from my own computer[Blinux-music] test Hi there,message (fwd) Message-ID: -- Scott Berry Email: scott at drscott.dyndns.biz ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Scott Berry To: blinux-music at hotspotandhotjamz.dyndns.org Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:56:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Blinux-music] test message -- Scott Berry Email: scott at drscott.dyndns.biz _______________________________________________To unsubscribe from this list please send a message to the following address without quotes "blind-music-request at hotspotandhotjamz.dyndns.org." Then in the subject line please put the following word without quotes "unsubscribe." Blinux-music mailing list Blinux-music at hotspotandhotjamz.dyndns.org http://hotspotandhotjamz.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/blinux-music From micheldesbordes at hotmail.com Wed Jan 7 06:58:56 2004 From: micheldesbordes at hotmail.com (Michel Desbordes) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 23:58:56 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Mailman running on RedHat 9 Message-ID: I am trying to get mailman 2.1-8 running. I have done everything that the documentation that came with the RedHat 9 distro said to do. The final step is to type the following in the command line: /sbin/service mailman start In response, I receive: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? main() File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main check_privs() File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found I don't know what to do at this point. Here is a little more information. I have a RedHat 9 server running Postfix and Squirrelmail. It has been working beautifully since July, 2003. Now I need to get Mailman working and all will be complete. Please Help. How should I proceed? Thank you in advance for your assistance. Jonathan _________________________________________________________________ Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From omar at dit.upm.es Wed Jan 7 11:26:02 2004 From: omar at dit.upm.es (Omar Walid Llorente) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:26:02 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't remove illegal members on a list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had a similar problem with one of my lists when i upgraded from 2.0.x to 2.1.3, and solved it using the -f option of remove_members (using the output from list_members). Hope that helps. Omar. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Centro de C?lculo Depto. Ingenier?a Sistemas Telem?ticos Fax:(+34) 913367333 Universidad Polit?cnica de Madrid E-mail: omar at dit.upm.es E.T.S. Ing. Telecomunicaci?n Tel:(+34) 913367366-Ext.328 28040 Madrid (Spain) ---------------------------------------------------------------- From jeanp at ciser.com.br Wed Jan 7 14:52:01 2004 From: jeanp at ciser.com.br (Jean Pierre Telschow) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:52:01 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Local configuration error Message-ID: <01a001c3d525$6d1736d0$dd0210ac@ciser> Hi All, I install mailman under FreeBSD 4.9 with Postfix, and every when try to send a message to list address the following message is visible in the postfix Log. Jan 7 11:35:55 aldebaran postfix/qmgr[44606]: B790F74E28: from=, size=1097, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jan 7 11:35:57 aldebaran sm-mta[45320]: i07BZvjn045318: to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp,pri=175366,relay=mail.ciser.com.br. [200.180.72.99], dsn=5.3.5, stat=Local configuration error My Mailman instaled version is: 2.1.3 Somebody can help-me ? thanks [] Jean Pierre From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Wed Jan 7 15:06:39 2004 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:06:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Local configuration error In-Reply-To: <01a001c3d525$6d1736d0$dd0210ac@ciser> References: <01a001c3d525$6d1736d0$dd0210ac@ciser> Message-ID: <20040107140639.GO11888@charite.de> * Jean Pierre Telschow : > Hi All, > > I install mailman under FreeBSD 4.9 with Postfix, and every when try > to send a message to list address the following message is visible in the > postfix Log. > > Jan 7 11:35:55 aldebaran postfix/qmgr[44606]: B790F74E28: > from=, size=1097, nrcpt=1 (queue active) This is Postfix > Jan 7 11:35:57 aldebaran sm-mta[45320]: i07BZvjn045318: > to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, > mailer=esmtp,pri=175366,relay=mail.ciser.com.br. [200.180.72.99], dsn=5.3.5, > stat=Local configuration error This is sendmail You have mixed sendmail and postfix. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - AIM. ralfpostfix From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Jan 7 17:09:21 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:09:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Mailman running on RedHat 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040107160921.GR12765@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Michel Desbordes wrote: > I am trying to get mailman 2.1-8 running. I have done everything > that the documentation that came with the RedHat 9 distro said to > do. Short answer: update your system. That rpm has issues. This really needs to get added to the FAQ, I don't think it's in there but it comes up all the time still. If I get some time later I'll do this unless someone beats me to, compiling a few of the various solutions and things from previous posts on this list. I'd especially like to see the various slurs that were used against the rpm packager included, just for fun. I know 'crack-addicted monkey' was used once. ;-) - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== I may kid around about drugs, but really, I take them seriously. -- Doctor Graper -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE//C8xuv+09NZUB1oRAkkQAKCh7u1zo4GaFFiOwpFr4t2aG8QUTgCg76EJ 1DOvdmMzRVEFWjEFx51Zmmw= =eUqv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From donovan at beth.k12.pa.us Wed Jan 7 17:19:33 2004 From: donovan at beth.k12.pa.us (Jeff Donovan) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:19:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] running mailman on second machine Message-ID: <47B0DF0C-412D-11D8-A047-000393DAC2D8@beth.k12.pa.us> greetings i have two machines. one is my primary mail system, and the other i want to be my mailman list server. Im running OSX 10.3.1 on both machines. i want to be able to do this; mail sent to user at mydomain.com ---> smtp1.mydomain.com mail sent to user-list at mydomain.com ---> smtp2.mydomain.com Mailman is running , and i have setup a test list. i subscribed 3 users. These user accounts are located on the primary box. Now i have not setup an MX record yet. But i will once I figure out which way to go. i get a delivery error from mailman.log delivery to user at mydomain.com failed with code 550: : User unknown in local recipient table. **doh** i don't want a local delivery,..i want to send mail to the primary. is there anyway i can do this? ----------------------------------- jeff donovan basd network operations (610) 807 5571 x4 AIM xtdonovan From simon at caperet.com Wed Jan 7 17:28:09 2004 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:28:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] running mailman on second machine Message-ID: <20040107162808.GN5296@mediadev.com> 07-Jan-04 at 11:19, Jeff Donovan (donovan at beth.k12.pa.us) wrote : > i want to be able to do this; > mail sent to user at mydomain.com ---> smtp1.mydomain.com > mail sent to user-list at mydomain.com ---> smtp2.mydomain.com > > Mailman is running , and i have setup a test list. i subscribed 3 > users. These user accounts are located on the primary box. Now i have > not setup an MX record yet. But i will once I figure out which way to > go. > > delivery to user at mydomain.com failed with code 550: > : User unknown in local recipient table. > > **doh** > > i don't want a local delivery,..i want to send mail to the primary. > is there anyway i can do this? This is based on your mail server and MX records. You can create aliases on the main server and then point specific aliases to a subdomain, or by using transport maps (Postfix). One domain name means one main MX machine which can then feed mail to secondary machines given correct aliasing. Using a separate subdomain for Mailman would probably be easier (user-list at lists.mydomain.com)... then you set up the mail server on the Mailman machine to receive mail for lists.mydomain.com Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From donovan at beth.k12.pa.us Wed Jan 7 17:50:06 2004 From: donovan at beth.k12.pa.us (Jeff Donovan) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:50:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] running mailman on second machine In-Reply-To: <20040107162808.GN5296@mediadev.com> References: <20040107162808.GN5296@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <8C11E3AC-4131-11D8-A047-000393DAC2D8@beth.k12.pa.us> On Jan 7, 2004, at 11:28 AM, Simon White wrote: > 07-Jan-04 at 11:19, Jeff Donovan (donovan at beth.k12.pa.us) wrote : >> i want to be able to do this; >> mail sent to user at mydomain.com ---> smtp1.mydomain.com >> mail sent to user-list at mydomain.com ---> smtp2.mydomain.com >> >> Mailman is running , and i have setup a test list. i subscribed 3 >> users. These user accounts are located on the primary box. Now i have >> not setup an MX record yet. But i will once I figure out which way to >> go. >> >> delivery to user at mydomain.com failed with code 550: >> : User unknown in local recipient table. >> >> **doh** >> >> i don't want a local delivery,..i want to send mail to the primary. >> is there anyway i can do this? > > This is based on your mail server and MX records. > > You can create aliases on the main server and then point specific > aliases to a subdomain, or by using transport maps (Postfix). > > One domain name means one main MX machine which can then feed mail to > secondary machines given correct aliasing. > > Using a separate subdomain for Mailman would probably be easier > (user-list at lists.mydomain.com)... then you set up the mail server on > the > Mailman machine to receive mail for lists.mydomain.com > > greetings, thanks for the reply. that makes total sense to me. i am converting about a 100 alias files into maillists. and running them on a different machine. correct me if Im wrong. i setup my dns records IN MX 10 smpt1.mydomain.com. IN MX 10 smpt2.mydomain.com. on smtp1 i create an alias user-list1 --> user-list1 at smtp2.mydomain.com user-list2 --> user-list2 at smtp2.mydomain.com user-list3 --> user-list3 at smtp2.mydomain.com etc,... does that sound correct? Do I have to edit any files as far as Mailman is concerned? Should I relay my smtp traffic through smtp1 or just let the list server take car of itself? thanks From mailman at climber.org Wed Jan 7 17:49:43 2004 From: mailman at climber.org (steve) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 08:49:43 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] default_member_moderation flag Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040107084531.02ea33f0@mail.comcast.net> I've been browsing the docs trying to find out how to do something in Mailman that I've been doing in Majordomo2 (wanting to switch but not sure how to implement some of the features). One of the FAQs mentions the default_member_moderation flag, but that (and other) flags don't seem to be documented anywhere?? If someone can point me to the right URL where I can find a list of all such flags, which I presume can be set by default when a new subscriber signs up and then cleared by the list owner later, I'd be forever in your debt! Steve From vranganath at cox.net Wed Jan 7 18:12:58 2004 From: vranganath at cox.net (Venkatesh Prasad Ranganath) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:12:58 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect address Message-ID: <3FFC3E1A.8080109@cox.net> Hi, We are using mailman with GForge. The primary site address is projects.cis.ksu.edu and the lists are addressed to @lists.projects.cis.ksu.edu. However, one of the mailing list for a project is addressed to @projects.cis.ksu.edu instead of @lists.projects.cis.ksu.edu. Is there a way to fix it? waiting for reply, -- Venkatesh Prasad Ranganath, Dept. Computing and Information Science, Kansas State University, US. web: http://www.cis.ksu.edu/~rvprasad From simon at caperet.com Wed Jan 7 18:16:47 2004 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:16:47 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] running mailman on second machine In-Reply-To: <8C11E3AC-4131-11D8-A047-000393DAC2D8@beth.k12.pa.us> References: <20040107162808.GN5296@mediadev.com> <8C11E3AC-4131-11D8-A047-000393DAC2D8@beth.k12.pa.us> Message-ID: <20040107171647.GO5296@mediadev.com> 07-Jan-04 at 11:50, Jeff Donovan (donovan at beth.k12.pa.us) wrote : > On Jan 7, 2004, at 11:28 AM, Simon White wrote: > >07-Jan-04 at 11:19, Jeff Donovan (donovan at beth.k12.pa.us) wrote : > >>i want to be able to do this; > >>mail sent to user at mydomain.com ---> smtp1.mydomain.com > >>mail sent to user-list at mydomain.com ---> smtp2.mydomain.com > >> > >>Mailman is running , and i have setup a test list. i subscribed 3 > >>users. These user accounts are located on the primary box. Now i have > >>not setup an MX record yet. But i will once I figure out which way to > >>go. > >> > >>delivery to user at mydomain.com failed with code 550: > >>: User unknown in local recipient table. > >> > > > >You can create aliases on the main server and then point specific > >aliases to a subdomain, or by using transport maps (Postfix). > > greetings, thanks for the reply. > that makes total sense to me. > i am converting about a 100 alias files into maillists. and running > them on a different machine. > > correct me if Im wrong. > i setup my dns records > IN MX 10 smpt1.mydomain.com. > IN MX 10 smpt2.mydomain.com. > > on smtp1 i create an alias > > user-list1 --> user-list1 at smtp2.mydomain.com > user-list2 --> user-list2 at smtp2.mydomain.com > user-list3 --> user-list3 at smtp2.mydomain.com > etc,... > > does that sound correct? Well... more or less, but you can't have two MX records for the whole domain because that will cause some mail to go to one box, and some to the other. You want the MX to be smtp1.mydomain.com ONLY and then do the aliases as you described on smtp1 to point the list names to smtp2. However if you have about 100 alias files then you might want to consider the second option, i.e. using a subdomain (see my previous message). > Should I relay my smtp traffic through smtp1 or just let the list > server take car of itself? I don't have any experience with Mailman sending SMTP directly so I don't know. I'd feel that relaying through smtp1 would be better to have all your logs for sending in one place though. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From swytch at swytchcraft.com Tue Jan 6 22:27:48 2004 From: swytch at swytchcraft.com (Swytch) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:27:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read only???` Message-ID: <00a201c3d49b$f065ab00$3467040a@midwesttele.com> How do I make my list so that no one can ever post to the list except for me? I set everyones mod bit, but when new users subscribe or someone makes changes to their subscription their mod bit is removed. I have to go through and check mod before I send a mail each time. Ricco "Out of my mind, Back in 5 minutes" From ksoze7383 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 7 03:11:08 2004 From: ksoze7383 at hotmail.com (Steve Wedig) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 02:11:08 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Administration (using PHP) Message-ID: Hi, As a list admin, is there a way for me to subscribe someone through a PHP web application which doesn't require that person's confirmation? I notice that when I add users via the web interface, no confirmation emails are sent out. However I don't think I can use the web interface with a PHP script because cookies are required. My other thought was email administration, having PHP send the properly formatted emails to the list. However when I subscribe someone by sending an email to ****-request@****, it requires a confirmation email. Any ideas? Thanks, Steve Wedig _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From jeidson at portageville.k12.mo.us Wed Jan 7 06:43:21 2004 From: jeidson at portageville.k12.mo.us (Jonathan Eidson) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:43:21 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman running on RedHat 9 Message-ID: <001401c3d4e1$28d16ed0$db00000a@yournwhtwb3bhb> I am trying to get mailman 2.1-8 running. I have done everything that the documentation that came with the RedHat 9 distro said to do. The final step is to type the following in the command line: /sbin/service mailman start In response, I receive: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? main() File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main check_privs() File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found I don't know what to do at this point. Here is a little more information. I have a RedHat 9 server running Postfix and Squirrelmail. It has been working beautifully since July, 2003. Now I need to get Mailman working and all will be complete. Please Help. How should I proceed? Thank you in advance for your assistance. Jonathan From root at aldebaran.ciser.com.br Wed Jan 7 12:42:15 2004 From: root at aldebaran.ciser.com.br (Charlie ROOT) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:42:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Local Configuration Error Message-ID: <20040107113754.N45387@aldebaran.ciser.com.br> Hi All, I install mailman under FreeBSD 4.9 with Postfix, and every when try to send a message to list address the following message is visible in the postfix Log. Jan 7 11:35:55 aldebaran postfix/qmgr[44606]: B790F74E28: from=, size=1097, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jan 7 11:35:57 aldebaran sm-mta[45320]: i07BZvjn045318: to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=175366,relay=mail.ciser.com.br. [200.180.72.99], dsn=5.3.5, stat=Local configuration error My Mailman instaled version is: 2.1.3 Somebody can help-me ? thanks [] @~~@~~@~~@~~@~~@~~@~~@~~@~~@~~@~~@ CISER PARAFUSOS E PORCAS Jean Pierre Telschow _______ |_|_|_| Analista de Suporte | | (55)47-4413809 | | |/| |/| @~~@~~@~~@~~@~~@~~@~~@~~@~~@~~@~~@ From cmmiller at CS.Princeton.EDU Wed Jan 7 18:08:17 2004 From: cmmiller at CS.Princeton.EDU (Chris M. Miller) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:08:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] running mailman on second machine In-Reply-To: <8C11E3AC-4131-11D8-A047-000393DAC2D8@beth.k12.pa.us> References: <20040107162808.GN5296@mediadev.com> <8C11E3AC-4131-11D8-A047-000393DAC2D8@beth.k12.pa.us> Message-ID: > >> i want to be able to do this; > >> mail sent to user at mydomain.com ---> smtp1.mydomain.com > >> mail sent to user-list at mydomain.com ---> smtp2.mydomain.com > > correct me if Im wrong. > i setup my dns records > IN MX 10 smpt1.mydomain.com. > IN MX 10 smpt2.mydomain.com. If smtp2.mydomain.com knows what to do with a message to 'user at mydomain.com', then this is fine. OTOH, since you said you're getting errors to the effect that it does not, you will probably need to remove that second MX record and let all your mail go through smtp1. > on smtp1 i create an alias > > user-list1 --> user-list1 at smtp2.mydomain.com > user-list2 --> user-list2 at smtp2.mydomain.com > user-list3 --> user-list3 at smtp2.mydomain.com > etc,... Given what I said above, I think that should work. Chris From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 7 19:22:50 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 07 Jan 2004 13:22:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting mailman running on RedHat 9 In-Reply-To: <001401c3d4e1$28d16ed0$db00000a@yournwhtwb3bhb> References: <001401c3d4e1$28d16ed0$db00000a@yournwhtwb3bhb> Message-ID: <1073499770.3485.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 00:43, Jonathan Eidson wrote: > I am trying to get mailman 2.1-8 running. I have done everything that the documentation that came with the RedHat 9 distro said to do. The final step is to type the following in the command line: > > /sbin/service mailman start > > In response, I receive: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? > main() > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main > check_privs() > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs > gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] > KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found > > I don't know what to do at this point. Here is a little more information. I have a RedHat 9 server running Postfix and Squirrelmail. It has been working beautifully since July, 2003. Now I need to get Mailman working and all will be complete. > > Please Help. How should I proceed? > > Thank you in advance for your assistance. > > Jonathan > >From the Searchable Archives, here is a repost of my "So you want to use the Default Mailman install that comes with RH9..." post: === Note: my server's name is "list.anncons.org" so I use that for the host definitions below. You should use your hosts name. Put the following in your /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file: MAILMAN_USER = 'mailman' MAILMAN_GROUP = 'mailman' Also you will need to put in your hosts real domain name: #DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'porky.devel.redhat.com' #DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'porky.devel.redhat.com' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'list.anncons.org' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'list.anncons.org' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' Lord knows what the Mailman packager for RedHat was smoking the day he did this RPM... To set Mailmanctl to start on reboot, use the chkconfig utility (or you could use the Services gui that comes in the System Settings/Server Settings menu). chkconfig --list mailman mailman 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off chkconfig --level 345 mailman on # this will turn the mailman daemon on automatically when the server is booted. Good luck - Jon Carnes From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Wed Jan 7 20:05:48 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 20:05:48 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read only???` References: <00a201c3d49b$f065ab00$3467040a@midwesttele.com> Message-ID: swytch at swytchcraft.com ("Swytch") scripsit/wrote: > I set everyones mod bit, but when new users subscribe or someone > makes changes to their subscription their mod bit is removed. Did you set default_member_moderation (Privacy Options | Sender Filters, ) to "yes"? -thh From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Wed Jan 7 20:05:45 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 20:05:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BUG in Mailman version 2.1.3 References: <3FFAC3D4.7070304@ccuec.unicamp.br> Message-ID: valdir at ccuec.unicamp.br ("Valdir A. Soares") scripsit/wrote: > UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I couldn't solve this problem and I will appreciate your help. Just guessing: that may be due to 8-bit-characters in the message headers of incoming mail (which are forbidden there and have to be encoded as MIME encoded words). Perhaps you want to have a look at the offending message? Anyway, it would be nice if Mailman could handle that a bit more gracefully (even if the sending client/server is at fault here). -thh From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Wed Jan 7 19:49:50 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 19:49:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why is admin email address ignored? References: <3FE566DE-3FCD-11D8-AE6C-000A959DA4B2@sb.org> Message-ID: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard) scripsit/wrote: > I hadn't noticed this before, but moderation requests are going to the > -owner address (e.g. listname-owner at listdomain.com) instead of to the > admin address that I supplied. Yes, and Mailman should redirect that mail to the admin(s). > Any idea why this might be happening and how to fix it? There is nothing to fix - that is, if Mailman is working properly. Whereto *is* that email to listname-owner at listdomain.com finally delivered? -thh From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Wed Jan 7 20:05:42 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 20:05:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] default_member_moderation flag References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040107084531.02ea33f0@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: mailman at climber.org (steve) scripsit/wrote: > One of the FAQs mentions > the default_member_moderation flag, but that (and other) flags don't > seem to be documented anywhere?? The flags' documentation is linked from the admin pages. | default_member_moderation (privacy): By default, should new list | member postings be moderated? | | Each list member has a moderation flag which says whether messages | from the list member can be posted directly to the list, or must | first be approved by the list moderator. When the moderation flag is | turned on, list member postings must be approved first. You, the list | administrator can decide whether a specific individual's postings | will be moderated or not. | | When a new member is subscribed, their initial moderation flag takes | its value from this option. Turn this option off to accept member | postings by default. Turn this option on to, by default, moderate | member postings first. You can always manually set an individual | member's moderation bit by using the membership management screens. -thh From mailman at climber.org Wed Jan 7 21:37:04 2004 From: mailman at climber.org (steve) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:37:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] default_member_moderation flag In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040107084531.02ea33f0@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040107123320.00b136c0@mail.comcast.net> At 11:05 AM 1/7/2004, Thomas Hochstein wrote: >The flags' documentation is linked from the admin pages. Thanks, but, uh, I don't have a site up and running right now. I'm looking for features to see if this will be the right choice to install or use when I get a new provider. I appreciate you pasting the doc into your email! I still wonder if there is anywhere I can get this level of docs short of installing the software? If not, perhaps the wizards listening will consider putting it on the main webpage as an encouragement for new admins to adopt Mailman. Steve From mailman-users at davefisher.co.uk Thu Jan 8 00:00:46 2004 From: mailman-users at davefisher.co.uk (Dave Fisher) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:00:46 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Debian Exim 4 Won't Play With Mailman - Group mismatch error Message-ID: <20040107230046.GA31530@davefisher.co.uk> Hi all, I've received the error message reproduced below. I think that I understand the basic problem, and the two generic solutions, i.e. I either have to change the GID that exim executes the mail script as, or I have to reconfigure mailman to accept the mail GID "Debian-exim". Unfortunately I'm under some pressure to get the list back up immediately and (for various reasons) I fear that I might not have the time to learn enough about the Debian package and Exim to implement a quick fix on that side of the problem. So I was hoping that the mailman re-configuration might be a bit simpler (e.g. a single command line or a simple config file edit) and that someone on the list might be able to point me to a suitable recipe. I wouldn't normally ask, but I am under time pressure and the error message saying "re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=Debian-exim'" does need a bit of extra context to disambiguate with absolute certainty. Does the author want me to configure and recompile a binary, or is there a mailman configure script that I haven't found yet? In either case, which binary or script? As far as possible, I try to keep production machines using Debian package management free of source packages. So if there isn't any means of reconfiguring the GID in mailman from the shell or a text editor, I'll probably just have to go digging around in Exim. Dave P.S. The whole thing was working fine until a few days ago, but I think a recent upgrade to the Debian Exim 4 has introduced some config changes which I probably wouldn't have accepted if I had known/understood them properly. error> A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its error> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: error> error> pipe to |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mylist error> generated by mylist at mydomain.zz error> local delivery failed error> error> The following text was generated during the delivery attempt: error> error> ------ pipe to |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mylist error> generated by mylist at mydomain.zz ------ error> error> Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail error> wrapper script to be executed as group "daemon", but error> the system's mail server executed the mail script as error> group "Debian-exim". Try tweaking the mail server to run the error> script as group "daemon", or re-run configure, error> providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=Debian-exim'. From allan at lxd1.asiandevbank.org Thu Jan 8 01:46:14 2004 From: allan at lxd1.asiandevbank.org (Ako Ito) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 08:46:14 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubunscription without confirmation Message-ID: <000d01c3d580$d385fe50$72a017ac@asiandevbank.org> hello mailman gurus, recently upgraded our mailman 2.0.6 to mailman 2.1.3.. is there a way of unsubscribing to mailman 2.1.3 without confirmation.. we are using the weblist-leave option.. also is there an option on mailman where i can create a name based content filter on the subject and body of the message to automatically discard emails that has foul words.. thanks, allan From allan at lxd1.asiandevbank.org Thu Jan 8 02:52:56 2004 From: allan at lxd1.asiandevbank.org (Ako Ito) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 09:52:56 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman fonts Message-ID: <011f01c3d58a$22f21740$72a017ac@asiandevbank.org> hello gurus, another question.. is there also a way of changing the fonts type of messages that is being sent by mailman 2.1.3.. such as the footer of every message and the welcome message.. that is being sent.. seems like the default font type is courier.. thanks, allan From simon at caperet.com Thu Jan 8 09:39:53 2004 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 09:39:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Administration (using PHP) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040108083952.GA19954@mediadev.com> 07-Jan-04 at 02:11, Steve Wedig (ksoze7383 at hotmail.com) wrote : > As a list admin, is there a way for me to subscribe someone through a PHP > web application which doesn't require that person's confirmation? > http://mediadev.homelinux.net/mailman.html Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From simon at caperet.com Thu Jan 8 09:49:35 2004 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 09:49:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BUG in Mailman version 2.1.3 In-Reply-To: References: <3FFAC3D4.7070304@ccuec.unicamp.br> Message-ID: <20040108084935.GB19954@mediadev.com> 07-Jan-04 at 20:05, Thomas Hochstein (ml at ancalagon.inka.de) wrote : > valdir at ccuec.unicamp.br ("Valdir A. Soares") scripsit/wrote: > > > UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I couldn't solve this problem and I will appreciate your help. > > Just guessing: that may be due to 8-bit-characters in the message > headers of incoming mail (which are forbidden there and have to be > encoded as MIME encoded words). > > Anyway, it would be nice if Mailman could handle that a bit more > gracefully (even if the sending client/server is at fault here). While Internet messages should indeed either be sent 7-bit or in 8BITMIME format, the clean thing to do for all those broken and borked MTAs out there is to either - handle this on your MTA by enforcing strict 7-bit headers - have Mailman drop the high order bit to zero (in the headers or the body) if MIME content is incorrectly encoded or not compliant for whatever reason The first option should be easy. The second requires a patch... Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From r at zorbla.de Thu Jan 8 12:02:51 2004 From: r at zorbla.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dirk_F=F6rsterling?=) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 12:02:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains again (on postfix)... Message-ID: <3FFD38DB.80008@zorbla.de> Hi, Using virtual domains with mailman seems to be one of the favourite topics, but I didn't find the answer to my particular virtual domain problem in the FAQs, Docs or Archives. Maybe I simply overlooked it due to the huge amounts of information. The question is: How can I force the mailman web interface of a particular virtual host (apache) to use that same domain name for creating mailing lists (in this case: the correct postfix virtual map)? I want http://onedomain.tld/mailman/admin/create to create the correct virtual maps for "onedomain.tld" and http://anotherdomain.tld/mailman/admin/create to create the correct virtual maps for "anotherdomain.tld. But unfortunately, mailman always creates the postfix virtual map only for the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST. I have all the domains in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS and created one add_virtualhost() entry for each domain, including DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST When I browse through http://anotherdomain.tld/mailman/* which is not the DEFAULT_URL_HOST / DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, then the interface most often shows the correct domainname in the footers and sometimes, seemingly out of a sudden, it switches to the DEFAULT_* name. What can I do about this? Did I miss something? -- D i r k F "o r s t e r l i n g r at zorbla.de http://r at zorbla.de/ ------------- PCs are like air conditioners. They stop working if you open Windows. From allan at lxd1.asiandevbank.org Thu Jan 8 14:06:39 2004 From: allan at lxd1.asiandevbank.org (Ako Ito) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 21:06:39 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] body and header filters Message-ID: <023a01c3d5e8$40c35d20$72a017ac@asiandevbank.org> hello sirs, another inquiry would be... we have a set of foul words that we need to filter from our mailing list.. on 2.0.6 we hacked the SpamDetect.py script and included all foul words.. any ideas on doing this on the 2.1.4 version? thanks, allan From bj at manex.be Thu Jan 8 14:22:10 2004 From: bj at manex.be (benoit joseph) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:22:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman load is overkill! Message-ID: <3FFD5982.8090807@manex.be> Hello all, I'm new to mailman, i've been running majordomo for now two years but i switch because the mailman web interface is just great! ;-) Here is my config: my mail server: SMTP sendmail with access_db enabled and DNSBL check disabled for localhost on gentoo linux IAMP cyrus-imapd python version: 2.2.3 (gentoo version: 2.2.3-r5) mailman version 2.1.2 (gentoo version 2.1.2-r1) mailman delivery: SMTPDirect about 20 mailing lists in 4 virtual mail domains. about 500 users across all mailing lists My problem is that mailman qrunner (the Incomming one) is taking 100% even for few messages... I checked in the error log and I find this error (those errors are very -very- long): . . . File "/usr/lib/python2.2/copy.py", line 186, in deepcopy y = copierfunction(x, memo) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/copy.py", line 246, in _deepcopy_dict y[deepcopy(key, memo)] = deepcopy(x[key], memo) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/copy.py", line 186, in deepcopy y = copierfunction(x, memo) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/copy.py", line 219, in _deepcopy_list y.append(deepcopy(a, memo)) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/copy.py", line 186, in deepcopy y = copierfunction(x, memo) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/copy.py", line 283, in _deepcopy_inst state = deepcopy(state, memo) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/copy.py", line 186, in deepcopy y = copierfunction(x, memo) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/copy.py", line 246, in _deepcopy_dict y[deepcopy(key, memo)] = deepcopy(x[key], memo) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/copy.py", line 186, in deepcopy y = copierfunction(x, memo) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/copy.py", line 219, in _deepcopy_list y.append(deepcopy(a, memo)) RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded Jan 08 13:57:39 2004 (31559) SHUNTING: 1073530934.485947+0febe44108f3783467ce57d93ca9f828b2112989 I don't know what to do... Any suggestion is welcomed... Thanks for advance, Benoit From Doug at DougHall.co.uk Thu Jan 8 17:53:14 2004 From: Doug at DougHall.co.uk (Doug Hall) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:53:14 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug! Message-ID: I get this everytime I go to the admin page of our lists.. or list info http://lists.phatsites.co.uk/mailman/listinfo / and http://lists.phatsites.co.uk/mailman/admin/ Individual ones like http://lists.phatsites.co.uk/mailman/admin/ vrc/ is ok.. Any help would be appreciated.. Ta. Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 61, in main admin_overview() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 228, in admin_overview mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ self.Load() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 573, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 546, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'append' _____ Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) [GCC 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-4)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 _____ Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_COOKIE vrc+admin= SCRIPT_FILENAME /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin PYTHONPATH /var/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) SERVER_ADMIN doug at doughall.co.uk SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/2.0.40 Server at lists.phatsites.co.uk Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD GET HTTP_HOST lists.phatsites.co.uk SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/msword, application/x-shockwave-flash, */* HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322) HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive SERVER_NAME lists.phatsites.co.uk REMOTE_ADDR 81.168.26.135 REMOTE_PORT 3285 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-gb UNIQUE_ID UPbQGNmgp0gAACd0PkYAAAAI SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate SERVER_ADDR 217.160.167.72 DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/httpd/vhosts/default/htdocs Intellect Business Consultants Ltd. 44 Lattimore Road St Albans Hertfordshire AL1 3XW Tel: 01727 848393 x206 Fax: 01727 846811 Mobile: 07855 310820 Helpdesk: 01727 848576 Email: doug at intellecthr.com Web: www.intellecthr.com Official sponsors of the 2004 Personnel Today award for "Innovation in Career Development". This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author, and do not necessarily represent those of Intellect. If you are not one of the intended recipients be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify Intellect by emailing Intellect at intellecthr.com Intellect reserves the right to monitor all email and attachments passing through its systems. This email has been scanned for known viruses From james at ontaponline.com Thu Jan 8 18:10:43 2004 From: james at ontaponline.com (James Currie) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 12:10:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Complex HTML Question Message-ID: Hopefully I'm just missing something simple here, but can Mailman handle complex HTML messages? I have a weekly newsletter that goes out to approx. 15,000 readers of our magazine that is delivered in complex HTML format only (a text alternative simply provides the url to view the newsletter online). When I send via Mailman, all I get is RTF (bold, colors, etc. come through, not tables, images, etc.). I'm running Mailman on a Mac G4 with OS X Server 10.3.2 and Postfix as the MTA. Other than this everything seems to work perfectly so I'm hoping there's a simple fix. Oh, I'm sending via Entourage using the send complex HTML applescript (which works fine with everything but Mailman), and have tried using a few different email clients just in case it was an Entourage issue. Content filtering is currently off, although I have also tried with it on, convert HTML parts to Text off, and pass throughs for text/html, mulitpart/alternative and a few others. Thanks for any help, and again, if it turns out to be a Mailman issue, if anyone can point me in the direction of a workaround I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. James -- Publisher On Tap Magazine tel: 703.465.0500 fax: 703.465.0400 IM: ontapdc From paul at thcwd.com Thu Jan 8 18:14:30 2004 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 11:14:30 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040108110944.08d4dd18@mail.thcwd.com> Robin Lynn Frank wrote: >Sorry to ask another question, but I am seeing this happen: > >[Wed Jan 07 15:11:09 2004] [error] [client 192.168.1.1] client denied by >server configuration: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create > >The following lines are in my apache config: > >ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ > >Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/ > > > AddDefaultCharset Off > I'm no expert, but I will offer you what my config says (and mine is working). Along with additional entries, I've got some quotes you lack. I had to tweak mine some because I'm in a chrooted environment, so some of the following may not be necessary. ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/" Alias /pipermail/ "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/" Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all AllowOverride None Options ExecCGI Order allow,deny Allow from all <>< Paul From paul.williams at uwex.edu Thu Jan 8 20:23:34 2004 From: paul.williams at uwex.edu (Paul F. Williams) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:23:34 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Scrubbed mime code doesn't display as html Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040108131512.02fede80@imap.uwex.edu> I am running mailman-2.1.1-4 (installed from the rpm) on a redhat 9 system. I see that when users incorporate formatting in their message, mailman scrubs out the formatting, and it puts a copy of the formatted message into an attachment---it retains a copy of the text in the message. However, when one clicks on the attachment you only see the code source as though it was a text file. If you save the file then view it with a browser you will see the formatted text. Is there a way to view the attach so you see the formatted text. I noticed that a jpg file saved as an attachment can be viewed as an image when you click on the link. Am I missing something here. Thanks, paulw From emanuelm at mail.utexas.edu Thu Jan 8 23:26:10 2004 From: emanuelm at mail.utexas.edu (Emanuel Masciarelli) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 16:26:10 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI's Not Finding Group Message-ID: <1073600769.3102.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> OK, I have no idea why this is happening. I am running on YellowDog 3.0.1. The install and everything seems fine, but when I hit a CGI, I get: Mailman CGI error!!! The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: Failure to find group name nobody. Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the command line option --with-cgi-gid. The group nobody does exist. I tried --with-cgi-gid='apache nobody' and apache is also not found. Any ideas on what is going on? Emanuel From jc_cann at yahoo.com Fri Jan 9 01:46:54 2004 From: jc_cann at yahoo.com (Jeffery Cann) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:46:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I clear my digest queue? Message-ID: <20040109004654.19008.qmail@web20024.mail.yahoo.com> I posted an earlier message regarding a senddigest memory problem. -http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-January/033772.html This problem continues to happen and I think the only way I can work around it is to clear the digest queue. Anyone know how to clear a 2.0.13 digest queue? Conceptually, I want to move up the date of my last successful digest to today. Thanks in advance Jeff __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From postmaster at fh-rosenheim.de Fri Jan 9 08:39:06 2004 From: postmaster at fh-rosenheim.de (postmaster at fh-rosenheim.de) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:39:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] access list for mailman? Message-ID: <1073633946.3ffe5a9a74036@webmail.fh-rosenheim.de> Hello I?m unsing mailman for about 20 mailing lists. They habe different receivers who are not all allowed to post. But there is a file with a list of addresses which are allowed to post to these lists. It has about 150 entries and sometimes it changes so I don?t like to type this list into the web interface. So how can I use this list of users for my lists like it was possible for majordomo. Thanks in advance Felix ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From alblack at achilles.net Fri Jan 9 15:57:28 2004 From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 09:57:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb problem Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040109094838.029d9490@pop.achilles.net> Hi gang, I'm having a problem accessing the adminstrative database. I just got a notice that there were 861 requests pending on the admin db. When I try to log on, I get the following error. (I've appended the bug report below.) While testing I turned off the notification features, and I'm guessing that the admindb might have filled up... Any suggestions as to how to clear out the db, or at least be able to login so I can clear up the trouble? Thanks in advance. al ------------------------------- Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 236, in main print doc.Format() File "/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 331, in Format output.append(Container.Format(self, indent)) File "/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 264, in Format output.append(HTMLFormatObject(item, indent)) File "/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 50, in HTMLFormatObject return item.Format(indent) File "/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 417, in Format output = output + Container.Format(self, indent+2) File "/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 264, in Format output.append(HTMLFormatObject(item, indent)) File "/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 50, in HTMLFormatObject return item.Format(indent) File "/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 200, in Format output = output + self.FormatRow(i, indent + 2) File "/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 188, in FormatRow output = output + self.FormatCell(row, i, indent + 2) File "/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 172, in FormatCell item_format = HTMLFormatObject(item, indent+4) File "/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 50, in HTMLFormatObject return item.Format(indent) File "/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 200, in Format output = output + self.FormatRow(i, indent + 2) File "/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 188, in FormatRow output = output + self.FormatCell(row, i, indent + 2) File "/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 172, in FormatCell item_format = HTMLFormatObject(item, indent+4) File "/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 50, in HTMLFormatObject return item.Format(indent) File "/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 200, in Format output = output + self.FormatRow(i, indent + 2) MemoryError From sthapa at site5.com Fri Jan 9 16:22:37 2004 From: sthapa at site5.com (Suchandra Thapa) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 09:22:37 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about mailman/possible bug Message-ID: <1073661756.4330.130.camel@hepcat> After a recent upgrade to mailman 2.1.3, I came across a possible bug in mailman. The bug is triggered by a character being out of range at line 799 in Mailman/Cgi/admin.py. The cvs commit for that line and the comments indicate that the error should appear for non ascii characters. The code at that point is encoding the member list (?) into the ascii character set. First, are the comments correct? I.e. is having an email address such as "Andr?" is correct or is this a valid email address? Also is there any way I can clean up the database if that email address is invalid? Finally, an install of mailman 2.1.2 was attempted to temporarily avoid the problem but an error about a downgrade being dangerous was given. Is a switch from mailman 2.1.3 to 2.1.2 safe? From jelly+mailman-user at srk.fer.hr Fri Jan 9 17:27:05 2004 From: jelly+mailman-user at srk.fer.hr (Zoran Dzelajlija) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:27:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade heldmsgs? Message-ID: <20040109162705.29BB.2.NOFFLE@islands.iskon.hr> Hello! I want to transfer some (not all!) lists from an existing 2.0.13 installation to the latest 2.1. I'm currently having both 2.0 and 2.1 installed, and am trying to transparently migrate lists to 2.1. Most of the stuff is covered in UPGRADE, but I have some unresolved issues. Some of our customers' lists have held messages, and I don't want to lose them on upgrade. Is there a way to migrate 2.0-style heldmsg-*.txt (plaintext mail messages) to mailman 2.1 (pickles)? I would probably need to regenerate lists/*/requests.db, data/pending.pck, what else? What about pending subscriptions? Zoran From david at futuretel.com Wed Jan 7 22:23:44 2004 From: david at futuretel.com (david at futuretel.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:23:44 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] config.pck problem Message-ID: <20040107212344.GA24480@redhate.futuretel.com> Hi, I just finished setting up mailman and have run into a problem. Turns out that just after I configured mailman, my company switched all of the web services to https only. Now, unfortunatly when I configured mailman, I entered all the url information as http. So I had to go back through all of the auto generated html pages in mailman and change(even in the archives) http to https. I also went through all the config files I could find like mm_cfg.py. The only files left without the mapping are the config.pck files for each list I have. They seem to be some sort of binary format and when I add a byte for https mailman crashes when generating pages and gives me an error. pasted below: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 42, in main listinfo_overview() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 87, in listinfo_overview mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 587, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 560, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) UnpicklingError: invalid load key, '/'. Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.3 (#1, Nov 4 2003, 14:06:04) [GCC 3.2.3 20030422 (Gentoo Linux 1.4 3.2.3-r1, propolice)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 is there a way to change that entry without recreating the list ? I'm at a bit of an impasse. Regards, Dave Please CC me as I am not subscribed to the list. From ram at ewizpo.com Thu Jan 8 23:29:16 2004 From: ram at ewizpo.com (Ross Moschitto) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:29:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribers not receiving confirmation request ??? Message-ID: <200401082229.i08MTHV24484@ns1.ewizpo.com> Can anyone help me? Mailman is creating this bogus return path that is getting rejected by the intended recipients email server. Return-Path: Received: from ns1.ewizpo.com (IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns1.ewizpo.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i08JMV329816 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:22:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Your new mailing list: test1 From: mailman-admin at ewizpo.com To: ram at ewizpo.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:22:30 -0500 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: test1 at ewizpo.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 List-Id: test1.ewizpo.com X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: test1-bounces+ram=ewizpo.com at ewizpo.com Errors-To: test1-bounces+ram=ewizpo.com at ewizpo.com Status: Sincerely, Ross Moschitto - President & CEO E-Wiz Solutions, Inc. Office: 914.318.5376 Email: ram at ewizpo.com E-Wiz Solutions, Inc. - "YOUR ONE STOP WEB SHOP" Everything you need to get your business online. 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I want to set it up so that only I can send mail to the list, is it possible to do this and if so how? Many Thanks Paul Arnison Managing Director Tel : 01925 241929 From treaves at silverfieldstech.com Fri Jan 9 20:44:13 2004 From: treaves at silverfieldstech.com (Timothy Reaves) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:44:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi problem Message-ID: <8530.4.2.170.194.1073677453.squirrel@www.silverfieldstech.com> Hello all. I have searched through the archives for a solution to my problem, but I can not seem to find one. I did find out a couple of other things though. My setup is SuSE 8.2, mailman 2.1.1, and apache 2.0.48. I have virtual domains, and each domain has a config file at /etc/apache/vhosts/. For this domain, I have the following in the config file: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ Options +FollowSymLinks When I access /mailman/admin, I get a 404, and in the log is: File does not exist: /srv/www/vhosts/{domain}/mailman If I 'ln -s /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin /srv/www/vhosts/{domain}', then I can open the admin page. Even after I commented out the cgi-bin entry in the config file. And restarting. So it seems it is not reading that config file, even though the other settings in it are in effect. Can (and will :-} ) someone see if they can be of assistance? Thanks! From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Fri Jan 9 23:22:21 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 23:22:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribers not receiving confirmation request ??? References: <200401082229.i08MTHV24484@ns1.ewizpo.com> Message-ID: Ross Moschitto schrieb: > Can anyone help me? Mailman is creating this bogus return path that is getting rejected by the intended recipients email server. > > Return-Path: That return path is not bogus. You have activated VERP, so the address of the user the mail is sent to is part of the local part of the sender address, making bounce management easier. If you do not like it, set the VERP_* configuration variables to 0. -thh PS: Perhaps you could shorten your signature to about four lines? That would be nice. From Doug at DougHall.co.uk Sat Jan 10 00:13:45 2004 From: Doug at DougHall.co.uk (Doug Hall) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 23:13:45 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug! Message-ID: Please help.. When adding users etc, nothing happens.. Have since upgraded to 2.1.4 to see if that helped.. I get this everytime I go to the admin page of our lists.. or list info http://lists.phatsites.co.uk/mailman/listinfo / and http://lists.phatsites.co.uk/mailman/admin/ Individual ones like http://lists.phatsites.co.uk/mailman/admin/ vrc/ is ok.. Any help would be appreciated.. Ta. Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 61, in main admin_overview() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 228, in admin_overview mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ self.Load() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 573, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 546, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'append' _____ Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) [GCC 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-4)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 _____ Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_COOKIE vrc+admin= SCRIPT_FILENAME /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin PYTHONPATH /var/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) SERVER_ADMIN doug at doughall.co.uk SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/2.0.40 Server at lists.phatsites.co.uk Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD GET HTTP_HOST lists.phatsites.co.uk SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/msword, application/x-shockwave-flash, */* HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322) HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive SERVER_NAME lists.phatsites.co.uk REMOTE_ADDR 81.168.26.135 REMOTE_PORT 3285 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-gb UNIQUE_ID UPbQGNmgp0gAACd0PkYAAAAI SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate SERVER_ADDR 217.160.167.72 DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/httpd/vhosts/default/htdocs Intellect Business Consultants Ltd. 44 Lattimore Road St Albans Hertfordshire AL1 3XW Tel: 01727 848393 x206 Fax: 01727 846811 Mobile: 07855 310820 Helpdesk: 01727 848576 Email: doug at intellecthr.com Web: www.intellecthr.com Official sponsors of the 2004 Personnel Today award for "Innovation in Career Development". This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author, and do not necessarily represent those of Intellect. If you are not one of the intended recipients be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify Intellect by emailing Intellect at intellecthr.com Intellect reserves the right to monitor all email and attachments passing through its systems. This email has been scanned for known viruses From burik at casino-well.com Sat Jan 10 02:04:36 2004 From: burik at casino-well.com (Sergio Barerro) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 04:04:36 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I recieve error "550 unknown user" while tring to send any letter Message-ID: <000001c3d715$ba2492f0$6a06020a@Peterfom> Hallo all! I've just installed and made all necessary configurations of my Mailman. After creating new list I receive letter with error 550 unknown user. Can you advise something/ Sincerely Yours, Sergio Barerro From emechler at techometer.net Sat Jan 10 02:09:01 2004 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:09:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I recieve error "550 unknown user" while tring to send any letter In-Reply-To: <000001c3d715$ba2492f0$6a06020a@Peterfom> References: <000001c3d715$ba2492f0$6a06020a@Peterfom> Message-ID: <20040110010901.GY64481@techometer.net> :: I've just installed and made all necessary configurations of my Mailman. :: After creating new list I receive letter with error 550 unknown user. Can :: you advise something/ You give surprisingly little information in this bug report...so I'm going to assume that you're running sendmail just 'cause that's what I run. Did you remember to run newaliases after you updated your aliases file? From wildone at for-wild.org Sat Jan 10 03:48:49 2004 From: wildone at for-wild.org (wildone at for-wild.org) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 21:48:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to disable approval? Message-ID: <1073702929.3fff68119c413@www.for-wild.org> How do I turn off having mail routed to the list administrator for approval? These approvals are piling up with reasons ranging from "Message has implicit destination" to "Message body is too big". I realize some of these are coming from spammers, but I'd rather take that hit than having these approvals pile up. Many of my users routinely use Bcc and I don't blame them - I've used them sometimes myself. I'm on a shared host with only web interface access. Thanks. Wild Pete From jc_cann at yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 07:40:19 2004 From: jc_cann at yahoo.com (Jeffery Cann) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 22:40:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: How do I clear my digest queue? Message-ID: <20040110064019.45703.qmail@web20026.mail.yahoo.com> For the record... Somehow the host + memory problem = a very large next-digest file. within each list directory, mailman creates a next-digest and a next-digest-topics files. I truncated them to the last few messages (I renumbered them from #1 (since the final message was like 16420). I then ran the 'senddigest' script by hand and viola - digests were sent. Maybe a FAQ addition? HTH - --- Jeffery Cann wrote: > I posted an earlier message regarding a senddigest > memory problem. > > -http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-January/033772.html > > This problem continues to happen and I think the > only > way I can work around it is to clear the digest > queue. > > Anyone know how to clear a 2.0.13 digest queue? > Conceptually, I want to move up the date of my last > successful digest to today. > > Thanks in advance > Jeff __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Perhaps perhaps perhaps. hth, ken From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Sat Jan 10 13:42:53 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:42:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to disable approval? References: <1073702929.3fff68119c413@www.for-wild.org> Message-ID: wildone at for-wild.org schrieb: > How do I turn off having mail routed to the list administrator > for approval? By setting the appropriate options. > These approvals are piling up with reasons > ranging from "Message has implicit destination" Set "require_explicit_destination" to "no" (Privacy Options | Recipient Filters). > to "Message body is too big". Set "max_message_size" to "0" (General Options). > I realize some of these are > coming from spammers, but I'd rather take that hit than > having these approvals pile up. Many of my users routinely > use Bcc and I don't blame them - I've used them sometimes > myself. I'm on a shared host with only web interface access. Just check *all* your options pages, read the options and switch those off you do not need. -thh From butindaro at lanuovavia.net Sat Jan 10 15:53:23 2004 From: butindaro at lanuovavia.net (butindaro at lanuovavia.net) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:53:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I need help Message-ID: <001501c3d789$c1cdfea0$ad29d5d5@y1k4p1> I have a question. My web host has offered me Mailman program to create a mailing list. However, i would like to create a newsletter/announcement/one-way list, but i don't know how to do it. I read the faq about it, but i confess i did not understand the answer. Is there anyone who can help me to create this newsletter by saying to me very simply step by step what i have to do to create it from my panel? I really would appreciate your interest. I hope there is someone who is willing to help me. Best regards. God bless you Giacinto Butindaro Visita i nostri siti internet: La nuova Via http://www.lanuovavia.net/ La Sacra Bibbia e la Concordanza on line http://lasacrabibbiaelaconcordanza.lanuovavia.net/ I Quiz biblici on line http://iquizbiblicionline.lanuovavia.net/ L'inferno esiste http://linfernoesiste.lanuovavia.net/ I miei scritti http://imieiscritti.lanuovavia.net/ El nuevo camino http://spagnolo.lanuovavia.net/ O novo caminho http://portoghese.lanuovavia.net/ From brown99 at BlindProgramming.com Sat Jan 10 16:01:16 2004 From: brown99 at BlindProgramming.com (Dennis Brown) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:01:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Blind User Message-ID: <000501c3d78a$9c3b5a60$210110ac@gateway.2wire.net> Hi All, I am a blind computer user that runs a web site for visually impaired programmers, BlindProgramming.com . I moved it from Earthlink to a new host, and the new hose uses MailMan. I have two lists set up; programming at BlindProgramming.com (450+- members, for discussing programming-related issues), and JawsScripts at BlindProgramming.com (620+- members, which discusses the use of the adaptive screen reading package most of us use to access Windows.) I have a couple of issues that I cannot locate the answers to easily, and was wondering if one of you MailMan gurus could make suggestions? 1. When someone replies to a message sent to the list, it puts 3 addresses in the To: field; brown99 at BlindProgramming.com (my address); programming at BlindProgramming.com ; and "A list for discussing programming by the blind in a visually oriented profession". It puts my address, the list address, and the one-line description of the list! Now, the settings in the General... section for replies has 3 settings; poster, list, and explicit address. I have this set to "list." Why won't it just send to the list, and not those others? 2. In Content filtering..., I have it set to "yes", and I still (according to the screen reading software) get the attachment icon, but no attachment! I want no attachments at all, and HTML converted to text, which I thought just setting the filtering option to Yes would do. Why do the members still get the attachment icon as if there is an attachment attached? I appreciate all suggestions! Thanks, Dennis Brown "Visually impaired as a bat!" From edg at greenberg.org Sat Jan 10 21:37:53 2004 From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 12:37:53 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying Listinfo page for one list Message-ID: <1786875.1073738273@[192.168.1.99]> One of my listowners raises a valid question. She has a list that is used for publishing a newsletter. No posting is allowed by anybody but the owner. When one visits the listinfo page, one sees the usual to post a message to all members send an email to.... " info. I'd like to create a separate templates/en/listinfo.html for her list. Is there a good way to do this, other than redefining one of the languages (or adding a new language)? Thanks, Ed Greenberg San Jose, CA From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Sat Jan 10 22:13:29 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:13:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying Listinfo page for one list In-Reply-To: <1786875.1073738273@[192.168.1.99]> References: <1786875.1073738273@[192.168.1.99]> Message-ID: <20040110211329.GG1581@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ed Greenberg wrote: > One of my listowners raises a valid question. She has a list that is > used for publishing a newsletter. No posting is allowed by anybody > but the owner. > > When one visits the listinfo page, one sees the usual to post a > message to all members send an email to.... " info. > > I'd like to create a separate templates/en/listinfo.html for her > list. > > Is there a good way to do this, other than redefining one of the > languages (or adding a new language)? The list owner can do this on her own. That's what the "Edit the public HTML pages" link does in the list admin section. If you want to do this for the list owner, you can copy listinfo.html from templates// to lists/// and edit it to remove the info about how to post to the list. The order mailman searches for templates is described in Mailman/Utils.py: # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 # places that are searched, in this order: # # 1. the list-specific language directory # lists// # # 2. the domain-specific language directory # templates// # # 3. the site-wide language directory # templates/site/ # # 4. the global default language directory # templates/ - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Sex is the only sport that is not called on account of darkness! -- Anonymous -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFAAGr4uv+09NZUB1oRAiwQAJ0e2ON/jaMBig/py381g8fPK3Z5IgCgzV6h Rbc2RZSTQNHG9h9VXuHBewg= =UzYR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From atrick at prin.edu Sat Jan 10 23:28:19 2004 From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:28:19 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restoring corrupt system Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040110162334.0221c328@mail.prin.edu> I need a little help. I've got an installation of Mailman (2.0.13) that we put up last October. Everything was running fine until a couple of days ago when our system admin ran some updates on the RH Linux server that hosts Mailman. The next morning Mailman was down and we determined that Python was having problems. We looked into the reasons why and couldn't figure out what had gone wrong. The sysadmin doesn't think any of the updates should have hurt Python. But anyway, they ended up reinstalling Mailman, and 2/3 of my lists are gone (I don't know why some survived!), and the overall configuration of the system I customized last fall is all gone. We have nightly backups of this server, so I know I can restore everything. But can someone help me out by telling me what needs to be restored? Is everything the system needs contained in /var/mailman? Or are there files elsewhere on the server (asssuming our installation is typical, which I think it is)? Is there anything in the FAQ's that'll help me piece things back together? (I looked and couldn't find anything pertinent.) Thanks, Allan From paulr at maths.tcd.ie Sun Jan 11 05:05:54 2004 From: paulr at maths.tcd.ie (Paul Reilly) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 04:05:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade - archives problem. Message-ID: I've moved a list from a server running 2.0.13 to a server running 2.1.3. Maybe I did it backwards, but I needed to change the list name as well, so I just created the new list with new name on the new server, and the copied in the archives from the old server, and did a search and replace on all the references to the old name in the archive *.html files. Anyway the long and short of it is, the old archives are accessible and the list is working at the new name/address, but the new messages are not being archived. I see this in the error log: ValueError: bad marshal data I get the same traceback call if I try to regenerate the archives with 'arch'. I did try to rename the list, but that also caused a traceback. Do I need to edit some of the archive files in database/ or pipermail.pck file to fix this? Paul From xx-mailman-users-list at telefog.com Sun Jan 11 07:57:28 2004 From: xx-mailman-users-list at telefog.com (Mark) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 22:57:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1.3 digests keep failing to go out Message-ID: <4573.24.7.107.144.1073804248.squirrel@www.telefog.com> I have three active Mailman 2.1.3 mailing lists at my email-hosting provider, http://www.ricochehost.com The Mailman is on their servers as part of cPanel, a webhosting control panel interface ( http://www.cpanel.net ). Every few weeks, the digests simply stop going out, and the admin there fixes this by reinstalling Mailman each time. But I won't have him keep doing that. I have been sending the digests manually as a stopgap, but doing so is tedious. Does any of you have any idea what might be causing Mailman to stop sending digests, and how it might fixed? Thanks in advance. Mark in Berkeley From edg at greenberg.org Sun Jan 11 08:20:22 2004 From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 23:20:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying Listinfo page for one list In-Reply-To: <1786875.1073738273@[192.168.1.99]> References: <1786875.1073738273@[192.168.1.99]> Message-ID: <40336781.1073776822@[192.168.1.99]> Many thanks to Dan and Todd. I knew this was hiding somewhere, but couldn't figure out where. --On Saturday, January 10, 2004 12:37 PM -0800 Ed Greenberg wrote: > One of my listowners raises a valid question. She has a list that is used > for publishing a newsletter. No posting is allowed by anybody but the > owner. > > When one visits the listinfo page, one sees the usual to post a message > to all members send an email to.... " info. > > I'd like to create a separate templates/en/listinfo.html for her list. > > Is there a good way to do this, other than redefining one of the > languages (or adding a new language)? > From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Sun Jan 11 11:09:23 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:09:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] default_member_moderation flag In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040107123320.00b136c0@mail.comcast.net> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040107084531.02ea33f0@mail.comcast.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20040107123320.00b136c0@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: steve wrote: > >The flags' documentation is linked from the admin pages. > > Thanks, but, uh, I don't have a site up and running right now. > I'm looking for features to see if this will be the right choice > to install or use when I get a new provider. Ah, I see. > I appreciate you pasting the doc into your email! I still > wonder if there is anywhere I can get this level of docs > short of installing the software? Sorry, I didn't have the time to google 'til now. Perhaps will help you: it's a list of options and ther meaning. looks like a quite good documentation for mailman beginners, even if it is specific for the University of Washington. > If not, perhaps the wizards listening will consider putting > it on the main webpage as an encouragement for new admins to > adopt Mailman. Yep, the documentation is a bit ... sparse, as usual for many open-source projects I encountered. But it's a lot better than the documentation available for Listar/Ecartis. ;) -thh From andyk at spunge.org Sun Jan 11 01:35:06 2004 From: andyk at spunge.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:35:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 4 things: conjugation with usenet, archivisation by arriving date, statistics, and link to the archives in archivised posts. Message-ID: <4000A84A.27668.2E0028C@localhost> 1. Admin of my server moved some time ago one of my lists to Mailman, but the other one he did not, because the other one is conjugated with a usenet news group, and he said that he can't do that under mailman, because in order to conjungate it in direction usenet -> list the list would have to be open for everyone, or moderator would have to confirm every post send from persons not subscribed to the list. Is that true? If yes, then... ok I understand the initial legitimate idea that if usenet group is open to everyone then the list should be too, or both should be moderated. The problem is however, that to the mailing list address are coming hundreds of spams *per day* (even though spamassassin is installed), so it cannot be open. I could not also find silly enough moderator to manually delete hundreds of spams daily. The only solution is to allow private list to be conjugated with an open usenet group. I request to allow it in mailman *as soon as possible*. 2. I think that there should be an option allowing to archive mails according to date of reception of the posts by mailman, and not date set by user who sends it. That would prevent dates from the future in the archive: 2006, 2011, 2013, 2024 which you can see in this list (mailman- users) archive: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/ 3. I also would wish to see in mailman statistics of posts sent by users, i.e. how many post were sent from each e-mail address. There is such a feature in ver. 6.0d of ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas. It would be nice to have it in Mailman, too. 4. I think that there should be present a link to the main archive web page in every archivised message seen in archive, because at the moment there is only link to the subscribtion page (information page), and possibility to sort messages differently, but if I read it sorted by thread for example, I cannot go back to the begining of the thread or to the main archive web page by clicking on a link - there is no such a link, unfortunatelly. Regards Andy From webmaster at arabmp3s.com Sun Jan 11 14:50:56 2004 From: webmaster at arabmp3s.com (WebMaster) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:50:56 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How? Message-ID: <005601c3d849$f36b17c0$3f710c3e@EveryBody> Dear MailMan, I have made a mailing list in the Cpanel and i don't really know how to send e-mails to ppl who i added on the list at the same time using the list? Can you please help me...? Best Regards, Amr Elsherif, WebMaster www.arabmp3s.com From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sun Jan 11 23:21:07 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 23:21:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 4 things: conjugation with usenet, archivisation by arriving date, statistics, and link to the archives in archivised posts. In-Reply-To: <4000A84A.27668.2E0028C@localhost> References: <4000A84A.27668.2E0028C@localhost> Message-ID: At 1:35 AM +0100 2004/01/11, Andrzej Kasperowicz wrote: > Admin of my server moved some time ago one of my lists to Mailman, but > the other one he did not, because the other one is conjugated with a > usenet news group, and he said that he can't do that under mailman, > because in order to conjungate it in direction usenet -> list the list > would have to be open for everyone, or moderator would have to confirm > every post send from persons not subscribed to the list. > Is that true? No. The latest version of the mailman will only allow mailing list members to post through to the newsgroup. Newsgroup postings will be allowed through without restriction. Have your admin install version 2.1.4. > I think that there should be an option allowing to archive mails > according to date of reception of the posts by mailman, and not date set > by user who sends it. That would prevent dates from the future in the > archive: 2006, 2011, 2013, 2024 which you can see in this list (mailman- > users) archive: > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/ The messages are archived in the order in which they are received. The dates shown are those as present in the original message. If the date on the sender's machine is out-of-whack, then that's what is displayed. This could not be reasonably corrected by the receiving system, because there would be no way to know what the correct date would be -- how long was the message delayed? What time zone was it sent from? There would be too many questions to answer, for which there are no answers. > I also would wish to see in mailman statistics of posts sent by users, > i.e. how many post were sent from each e-mail address. There is such a > feature in ver. 6.0d of ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas. It would > be nice to have it in Mailman, too. That sounds like it would be a nice addition. > I think that there should be present a link to the main archive web page > in every archivised message seen in archive, because at the moment there > is only link to the subscribtion page (information page), and possibility > to sort messages differently, but if I read it sorted by thread for > example, I cannot go back to the begining of the thread or to the main > archive web page by clicking on a link - there is no such a link, > unfortunatelly. Like many open source projects, mailman is written by volunteers. Unfortunately, most of these people have limited time available, and have to find other ways to pay the bills. Sometimes even simple changes are more than the development team can do, because they're way behind and overwhelmed with other work. If you can provide a patch to implement this functionality, I'm sure they'd more than welcome your submission. If you can provide funding to help pay for someone else to develop such a feature, I'm sure they'd welcome that. If you are unable to help implement this functionality in some way, the best that can be hoped for is that this feature request will be put in the queue, and someday someone might be able to do it. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com Mon Jan 12 01:20:15 2004 From: paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com (Paulo Dinis) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 00:20:15 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalization In-Reply-To: <005601c3d849$f36b17c0$3f710c3e@EveryBody> Message-ID: Hi to all, I?m running a list with 170 members. I wishes to personalize the email footer with personal information. I?ve tried to located this info in FAQ arquives, have found some reference to previous versions, Any help ? Non-technical user... Thank?s ! Paulo Dinis Portugal -----Original Message----- From: WebMaster [mailto:webmaster at arabmp3s.com] Sent: domingo, 11 de Janeiro de 2004 13:51 To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] How? Dear MailMan, I have made a mailing list in the Cpanel and i don't really know how to send e-mails to ppl who i added on the list at the same time using the list? Can you please help me...? Best Regards, Amr Elsherif, WebMaster www.arabmp3s.com ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/paulo.dinis%40paulodini s.com From abel at able-towers.com Mon Jan 12 01:34:01 2004 From: abel at able-towers.com (Abel Wisman) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 00:34:01 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped working, no changes on machine, with error log output Message-ID: <000201c3d8a3$c9ca19c0$58f786d9@medusa> All of a sudden and with no reference to any error in any other log then the mailman specific logs, mailman (running several lists) stopped working. Went through the entire q 3.14 and all checks out fine, yet this is found in mailman/error.log: Jan 12 00:14:01 2004 (1291) Delivery exception: (-2, 'Name or service not known') Jan 12 00:14:01 2004 (1291) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 121, in process inject_digest(mlist, digestfile, topicsfile) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 170, in inject_digest msg = digest.asMIME() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 242, in asMIME return self.Present(mime=1) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 254, in Present envboundary = mimetools.choose_boundary() File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/mimetools.py", line 116, in choose_boundary hostid = socket.gethostbyname(socket.gethostname()) gaierror: (-2, 'Name or service not known') Any help would be appreciated Kind regards A From abel at able-towers.com Mon Jan 12 01:37:13 2004 From: abel at able-towers.com (Abel Wisman) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 00:37:13 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped working, no changes on machine, with error log output Message-ID: <000301c3d8a4$3973c370$58f786d9@medusa> Oops forgot important data :) All of a sudden and with no reference to any error in any other log then the mailman specific logs, mailman (running several lists) stopped working. Went through the entire q 3.14 and all checks out fine, yet this is found in mailman/error.log: Jan 12 00:14:01 2004 (1291) Delivery exception: (-2, 'Name or service not known') Jan 12 00:14:01 2004 (1291) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 121, in process inject_digest(mlist, digestfile, topicsfile) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 170, in inject_digest msg = digest.asMIME() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 242, in asMIME return self.Present(mime=1) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 254, in Present envboundary = mimetools.choose_boundary() File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/mimetools.py", line 116, in choose_boundary hostid = socket.gethostbyname(socket.gethostname()) gaierror: (-2, 'Name or service not known') Running: Linux version 2.4.20-20.8 (bhcompile at daffy.perf.redhat.com) (gcc version 3.2 20020903 (Red Hat Linux 8.0 3.2-7)) #1 Mon Aug 18 14:39:22 EDT 2003 Mailman version 2.0.13 Any help would be appreciated Kind regards A From dat at internode.com.au Mon Jan 12 03:16:32 2004 From: dat at internode.com.au (Dat Bui) Date: 12 Jan 2004 12:46:32 +1030 Subject: [Mailman-Users] email subscribing users Message-ID: <1073873792.1136.186.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I am able to subscribe new users to my list by emailing to blah-request at list.server.blah.com with "subscribe nodigest address=blah at blah.com.au" in the subject field. what I want is to put a name, ie. Joe Blow, to that address. How do i do this? thanks in anticipation. Dat From mailman at alan.batie.org Mon Jan 12 05:05:26 2004 From: mailman at alan.batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:05:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] variable substitution Message-ID: <20040112040526.GA84135@agora.rdrop.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- One of my list owners is using identical message footers in two different lists, but one is getting expanded and the other isn't. I'm running mailman 2.1.3, and thought maybe the personalize setting needed set, but config_list -o doesn't put in a personalize setting, and -i won't accept it. I think personalize might be something beyond basic variable expansion anyhow. Any clue to what I'm missing? Thanks! - -- Alan Batie ______ alan.batie.org Me alan at batie.org \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ spamassassin.taint.org NO SPAM! To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - -Theodore Roosevelt, 26th US President (1858-1919) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBQAIdBov4wNua7QglAQG3YgP+L928zv5ZGUx2EhGR/eAvUvRBRjMGte+T xFW4BJyzpbv1zlr4ogvdX4r9qPsjeWRoIFDYAoVJ5h8lqoUiwMCp12hVttahU3cd 3WbwkHulfttE/3wrVJelTfv4Z5F3XRxkrCIGHCZ+ukBDi7YKG4DY5eBM0fEwuSZ4 zxNgIrs/Q9w= =1Dhh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From philip at busey.org Mon Jan 12 05:05:54 2004 From: philip at busey.org (Philip Busey) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 23:05:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Personalization Message-ID: <40021D22.46CA0598@busey.org> Paulo, here is a sample footer for the non-digest options (including the underline). (I have no idea if these characters will be interpreted when sent like this the body of a message.) This is for the South Florida Democrats mailing list at: http://oursouthflorida.com Phil _______________________________________________ South Florida Democrats mailing list - %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Courtesy of the Davie-Cooper City Democratic Club http://daviedemocrats.org or http://coopercitydemocrats.org Brief, original announcements and comments for the good of the Democratic Party and the People of South Florida will be lightly edited and posted periodically, by writing to: %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s Do not use this list to publish boring drivel that everyone has already seen; use a URL link whenever possible. Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email was sent to %(user_address)s Paulo Dinis wrote: > > Hi to all, > I?m running a list with 170 members. > I wishes to personalize the email footer with personal information. > I?ve tried to located this info in FAQ arquives, have found some reference > to previous versions, > Any help ? > > Non-technical user... > > Thank?s ! > Paulo Dinis > Portugal > > -----Original Message----- > From: WebMaster [mailto:webmaster at arabmp3s.com] > Sent: domingo, 11 de Janeiro de 2004 13:51 > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] How? > > Dear MailMan, > > I have made a mailing list in the Cpanel and i don't really know how to send > e-mails to ppl who i added on the list at the same time using the list? > > Can you please help me...? > > Best Regards, > > Amr Elsherif, WebMaster > > www.arabmp3s.com From simon at caperet.com Mon Jan 12 09:31:05 2004 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:31:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Link to the archives in archivised posts. In-Reply-To: References: <4000A84A.27668.2E0028C@localhost> Message-ID: <20040112083104.GA12894@mediadev.com> 11-Jan-04 at 23:21, Brad Knowles (brad.knowles at skynet.be) wrote : > At 1:35 AM +0100 2004/01/11, Andrzej Kasperowicz wrote: > > I think that there should be present a link to the main archive web page > > in every archivised message seen in archive, because at the moment there > > is only link to the subscribtion page (information page), and possibility > > to sort messages differently, but if I read it sorted by thread for > > example, I cannot go back to the begining of the thread or to the main > > archive web page by clicking on a link - there is no such a link, > > unfortunatelly. > > Like many open source projects, mailman is written by volunteers. > Unfortunately, most of these people have limited time available, and > have to find other ways to pay the bills. Sometimes even simple > changes are more than the development team can do, because they're > way behind and overwhelmed with other work. If you can provide a > patch to implement this functionality, I'm sure they'd more than > welcome your submission. If you can provide funding to help pay for > someone else to develop such a feature, I'm sure they'd welcome that. You can use an external archiver... mHonArc is the one I use, and I believe it has this functionality. It's quite easy to set up to run alongside Mailman. I think (IIRC) that the reason more time is not spent on the archiver is because drop-in replacements already exist, and therefore the Mailman developers time is best spent improving core functionality. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From stabel at ckaul.de Mon Jan 12 11:51:18 2004 From: stabel at ckaul.de (Nick Stabel) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:51:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] test Message-ID: <001001c3d8fa$050149e0$0400a8c0@franz> test From r.c.franklin at reading.ac.uk Mon Jan 12 12:46:11 2004 From: r.c.franklin at reading.ac.uk (Bob Franklin) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:46:11 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Corrupted 'pending.pck' causing Mailman to crash? Message-ID: Hi, Whenever someone sends a moderated message to one of our lists, the message appears to disappear into a blackhole. On closer inspection, our Exim log is showing the message being fed into Mailman; in mailman's 'error' log, we're seeing: Jan 12 10:45:55 2004 (25594) Uncaught runner exception: invalid load key, 'f'. Jan 12 10:45:55 2004 (25594) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/RDGmailmn/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/opt/RDGmailmn/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/RDGmailmn/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/opt/RDGmailmn/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/RDGmailmn/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 181, in process MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size)) File "/opt/RDGmailmn/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 226, in hold_for_approval cookie = Pending.new(Pending.HELD_MESSAGE, id) File "/opt/RDGmailmn/Mailman/Pending.py", line 64, in new db = _load() File "/opt/RDGmailmn/Mailman/Pending.py", line 121, in _load return cPickle.load(fp) UnpicklingError: invalid load key, 'f'. Looking in the in 'data' directory, the pending messages are appearing in there as 'heldmsg-LISTNAME-NUMBER.pck' files but the 'pending.pck' file (which appears to be what is being loaded at line 121 of Pending.py') hasn't been updated for several days (12:26, 08-Jan-2004) - the first error was logged at 12:42 on the same day and was in response to someone confirming a subscription (I don't know if this was the thing that caused it or the first thing that failed following it). I'm guessing there's a corruption in the 'pending.pck' file and Mailman is bombing out whenever it needs to be updated. Is there a way I can find out what has caused this and rebuild the 'pending.pck' file from the stuff in the 'data' directory? For reference: Mailman 2.1.1, Python 2.1.3, Apache 1.3.26, Exim 3.36 and Solaris 8. Thanks in advance, - Bob -- Bob Franklin +44 (0)118 378 7147 Systems and Communications, IT Services, The University of Reading, UK From svante at thehighwaystar.com Mon Jan 12 12:58:03 2004 From: svante at thehighwaystar.com (Svante Pettersson) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:58:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Usubscribing a bunch of people In-Reply-To: <4000A84A.27668.2E0028C@localhost> References: <4000A84A.27668.2E0028C@localhost> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040112125312.01bfdec0@dns.deep-purple.com> I run a mailing list with 10215 members. Every month when we send out our announcements to this list, we get 40 or 50 bounces from address that are over quota or has ceased to exist and so on. You know the drill. Unsubscribing these people is hell with Mailman since you have to do it with the web interface, one at the time. It takes a while, to say the least. Is there another way that I haven't found? I think I have done all homework so far, checking the documentation, the mail list archives and all that. Some old replies to this list suggest there isn't another way (unless you have access to the server in another way, which I don't) but I thought maybe someone had figured something out after those mails. Thanks for any advice, /Svante From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Mon Jan 12 13:02:04 2004 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:02:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Usubscribing a bunch of people In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040112125312.01bfdec0@dns.deep-purple.com> References: <4000A84A.27668.2E0028C@localhost> <6.0.1.1.0.20040112125312.01bfdec0@dns.deep-purple.com> Message-ID: <20040112120204.GI2169@charite.de> * Svante Pettersson : > I run a mailing list with 10215 members. Every month when we send out our > announcements to this list, we get 40 or 50 bounces from address that are > over quota or has ceased to exist and so on. You know the drill. > Unsubscribing these people is hell with Mailman since you have to do it > with the web interface, one at the time. Usually mailman unsubscribes them automatically! -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - AIM. ralfpostfix From r at zorbla.de Mon Jan 12 13:09:41 2004 From: r at zorbla.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dirk_F=F6rsterling?=) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:09:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + virtual domains again (on postfix)... Message-ID: <40028E85.8040409@zorbla.de> Hi List, so tired of Postfix or did I violate a rule I didn't know. If so, I want to apologize, but I still didn't find anything. One slight hint anybody? ---------------8<---------------8<-----------------8<--------------- Hi, Using virtual domains with mailman seems to be one of the favourite topics, but I didn't find the answer to my particular virtual domain problem in the FAQs, Docs or Archives. Maybe I simply overlooked it due to the huge amounts of information. The question is: How can I force the mailman web interface of a particular virtual host (apache) to use that same domain name for creating mailing lists (in this case: the correct postfix virtual map)? I want http://onedomain.tld/mailman/admin/create to create the correct virtual maps for "onedomain.tld" and http://anotherdomain.tld/mailman/admin/create to create the correct virtual maps for "anotherdomain.tld. But unfortunately, mailman always creates the postfix virtual map only for the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST. I have all the domains in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS and created one add_virtualhost() entry for each domain, including DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST When I browse through http://anotherdomain.tld/mailman/* which is not the DEFAULT_URL_HOST / DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, then the interface most often shows the correct domainname in the footers and sometimes, seemingly out of a sudden, it switches to the DEFAULT_* name. What can I do about this? Did I miss something? -- D i r k F "o r s t e r l i n g r at zorbla.de http://r at zorbla.de/ ------------- PCs are like air conditioners. They stop working if you open Windows. From simon at caperet.com Mon Jan 12 13:10:53 2004 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:10:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Usubscribing a bunch of people In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040112125312.01bfdec0@dns.deep-purple.com> References: <4000A84A.27668.2E0028C@localhost> <6.0.1.1.0.20040112125312.01bfdec0@dns.deep-purple.com> Message-ID: <20040112121053.GG14472@mediadev.com> 12-Jan-04 at 12:58, Svante Pettersson (svante at thehighwaystar.com) wrote : > I run a mailing list with 10215 members. Every month when we send out our > announcements to this list, we get 40 or 50 bounces from address that are > over quota or has ceased to exist and so on. You know the drill. > Unsubscribing these people is hell with Mailman since you have to do it > with the web interface, one at the time. It takes a while, to say the > least. Is there another way that I haven't found? I think I have done all > homework so far, checking the documentation, the mail list archives and all > that. Some old replies to this list suggest there isn't another way (unless > you have access to the server in another way, which I don't) but I thought > maybe someone had figured something out after those mails. Command line tools can do unsubscribes. Bounces should be treated automatically but low volume bounce detection doesn't work too well, it tends to be a bit conservative about when to unsubscribe. There are some scripts I wrote available here: http://mediadev.homelinux.net/mailman.html Also, you can certainly mass unsubscribe via the web interface, one address per line (I think). If that's the only access you have, this *is* available on the list admin pages. I also have a PERL script modified from somewhere which can treat a mailbox full of bounces and produce a report suitable for unsubscribing from Mailman or exporting to CSV for import to a DB / Excel. I might get around to putting that online sometime too if anybody would have a use for it. We use it for processing bounces for automatic unsubscribes here. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From reduzirgastos at teleinfor.com.br Mon Jan 12 15:16:50 2004 From: reduzirgastos at teleinfor.com.br (Teleinfor) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:16:50 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reduzir contas =?iso-8859-1?q?telef=F4nicas_em_50=25__meu_telefon?= =?iso-8859-1?q?e?= Message-ID: <4002AC52.5010600@teleinfor.com.br> Reduzir contas de telefone Reduzir despesas de telefone A redu??o de contas telef?nicas apenas ? possivel atraves de tecnologia de ponta e grande expertise. Nossa consultoria pode reduzir at? 50% todas as suas contas telefonicas. Agora suas despesas com a TELEFONICA, VIVO, BCP, TIM, EMBRATEL, ATT, TELEMAR, TELESP, CTBC e outras operadoras ja podem ser efetivamente reduzidas mesmo que voce esteja em qualquer parte do Brasil. Para tanto contamos com a mais avan?ada tecnologia de REDUCAO DE CUSTOS de telefonia em ambientes de call center ja concebidos, especialmente nas liga??es locais de fixo para fixo. E o que ? melhor, tudo isso ser? pago com a propria economia por nos alcan?ado. Sem restri??o ou diminui??o nos minutos consumidos, sem prejudicar sua operacionalidade. http://www.teleinfor.com.br fone (11) 3237-0892 ls -l /root/ dmesg >teleinfor From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Jan 12 15:58:38 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 12 Jan 2004 09:58:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + virtual domains again (on postfix)... In-Reply-To: <40028E85.8040409@zorbla.de> References: <40028E85.8040409@zorbla.de> Message-ID: <1073919518.2673.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 07:09, Dirk F?rsterling wrote: > Hi List, > > so tired of Postfix or did I violate a rule I didn't know. If so, > I want to apologize, but I still didn't find anything. > > One slight hint anybody? When you create the list, use the fully qualified domain name with it. For example: new_list at my.domain.com Rather than just using the name "new_list"... It's actually in the docs :-) > > ---------------8<---------------8<-----------------8<--------------- > Hi, > > Using virtual domains with mailman seems to be one of the favourite > topics, but I didn't find the answer to my particular virtual domain > problem in the FAQs, Docs or Archives. Maybe I simply overlooked it > due to the huge amounts of information. > > The question is: How can I force the mailman web interface of a particular > virtual host (apache) to use that same domain name for creating mailing > lists (in this case: the correct postfix virtual map)? > > I want http://onedomain.tld/mailman/admin/create to create the correct > virtual maps for "onedomain.tld" and > http://anotherdomain.tld/mailman/admin/create to create the correct > virtual maps for "anotherdomain.tld. > > But unfortunately, mailman always creates the postfix virtual map only > for the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST. > > I have all the domains in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS and created one > add_virtualhost() entry for each domain, including DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST > and DEFAULT_URL_HOST > > When I browse through http://anotherdomain.tld/mailman/* which is not the > DEFAULT_URL_HOST / DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, then the interface most often shows > the correct domainname in the footers and sometimes, seemingly out of a > sudden, it switches to the DEFAULT_* name. > > What can I do about this? Did I miss something? From paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com Mon Jan 12 16:33:45 2004 From: paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com (Paulo Dinis) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:33:45 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalization In-Reply-To: <4002AC52.5010600@teleinfor.com.br> Message-ID: Hello, I have a problem in version 2.1.3. Footer added to mail sent to regular list members, and I have mine like this : _______________________________________________ %(real_name)s mailing list - F?rum de SHST Para enviar mensagens para o f?rum use este endere?o : %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s P?gina do f?rum : %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Actualize a sua inscri??o neste local : %(user_optionsurl)s Esta mensagem foi enviada para o seguinte endere?o %(user_address)s When i hit submit changes i get this error : Warning: The following illegal substitution variables were found in the msg_footer string: user_address, user_optionsurl Your list may not operate properly until you correct this problem. I have removed the string?s that include user_address and user_optionsurl until I get some help. Thank?s Paulo Dinis Certified Safety Tecnician Ergonomist Website : http://www.paulodinis.com/ From r at zorbla.de Mon Jan 12 16:43:11 2004 From: r at zorbla.de (=?UTF-8?B?RGlyayBGw7Zyc3Rlcmxpbmc=?=) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:43:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + virtual domains again (on postfix)... In-Reply-To: <1073919518.2673.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <40028E85.8040409@zorbla.de> <1073919518.2673.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4002C08F.2000807@zorbla.de> Jon Carnes wrote: > > When you create the list, use the fully qualified domain name with it. > For example: > new_list at my.domain.com > > Rather than just using the name "new_list"... Thanks for the answer. I've tried this, but I only got: Error: List name must not include "@" > > It's actually in the docs :-) > Where in the docs? My blind eyes didn't find it. I'd like to read the passages (again?) to find out what I have to configure to make the web interface accept the "@". -dirk -- D i r k F "o r s t e r l i n g r at zorbla.de http://r at zorbla.de/ ------------- DAS WAR ES DANN WOHL SAG AUF :W:IEDERSEHN From paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com Mon Jan 12 17:40:39 2004 From: paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com (Paulo Dinis) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:40:39 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Languages settings - FW: Welcome to the "Forum" mailing list Message-ID: Hello again, Sorry to bother you again. How can I solve the language problem ? I've written a text for the : " List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message " as bellows. How can I solve this ? Paulo Dinis Certified Safety Tecnician Ergonomist Website : http://www.paulodinis.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Forum-request at paulodinis.com [mailto:Forum-request at paulodinis.com] Sent: segunda-feira, 12 de Janeiro de 2004 16:16 To: consultoria at paulodinis.com Subject: Welcome to the "Forum" mailing list Bem Vindo a lista de discuss?o Forum at paulodinis.com ! Benvindo ao fórum ErgoList !! Esta mensagem de boas vindas é automaticamente enviada no processo de susbcrição. O fórum : O fórum é moderado para evitar que seja enviado publicidade indesejada ( SPAM ) e para que não receba emails que nada têm a ver com o objectivo deste fórum. O moderador tem como única função coordenar o fórum e assegurar que as mensagens colocadas estejam dentro dos objectivos do mesmo. Em nenhuma altura irei alterar o conteúdo de alguma mensagem enviada directamente para o fórum ! A língua oficial : A " língua oficial " da lista é o português já que esta lista de destina prioritariamente a lusófonos e serve para discutir os "nossos" temas, legislação, normalização, diálogo com as entidades oficiais, etc.. Objectivo da lista : Ela tem por objectivo fomentar a discussão/divulgação da SHST a nível nacional, socorrendo-se da facilidade do uso do correio electrónico. Para este objectivo conto com a sua ajuda, participação e dinamização. A pertinência dos temas abordados e rigor técnico é unicamente da responsabilidade dos autores das respectivas participações. Sinta-se livre para convidar outros cybernautas a pertencer a este fórum ! Tem também a possibilidade de consultar os arquivos de todas as mensagens na secção de arquivos. Acrescente-se que os anexos não ficam disponíveis on-line e recomenda aos utilizadores possuírem antivírus actualizados quando distribuírem anexos pelo grupo. Regras de utilização : Todos os email enviados para o fórum devem ser devidamente identificados. Todas as mensagens que irá receber serão sempre do mesmo endereço de email : forum at paulodinis.com . Esse endereço é igualmente usado para enviar para o fórum. Considera-se identificados com o nome próprio e apelido e respectivo endereço de email.. Isto para que o possam contactar pessoalmente caso desejem Ex : “Questão bla bla (...) Zé Ninguém zeninguem at paulodinis” ; Todas as mensagens que não obedeçam a estes critérios serão rejeitadas. Seja cordial nas suas participações – afinal somos poucos em Portugal e por vezes tropeçamos uns nos outros em circunstâncias diferentes. Para terminar o sucesso desta lista também depende da sua participação e do seu contributo. Seja um animador constante da mesma !!! Só me resta agradecer a sua participação. Qualquer dúvida sobre a lista contacte ergolist at paulodinis.com Cordialmente, Paulo Dinis Para postar a esta lista, envie uma mensagem para: Forum at paulodinis.com Informa??es gerais sobre esta lista de discuss?o podem ser encontradas em: http://paulodinis.com/mailman/listinfo/forum_paulodinis.com Se deseja se desinscrever ou modificar suas op??es (eg, mudar de/para o modo digest, modificar a senha, etc.), visite sua p?gina de inscri??o em: http://paulodinis.com/mailman/options/forum_paulodinis.com/consultoria%40pau lodinis.com Voc? tamb?m pode fazer tais ajustes via e-mail enviando uma mensagem para: Forum-request at paulodinis.com com a palavra 'help' no assunto ou corpo da mensagem (n?o inclua as aspas), e voc? receber? uma mensagem com instru??es. Voc? deve saber sua senha para modificar as suas op??es (incluindo a pr?pria senha) ou para se desinscrever. Ela ?: bediar Normalmente, o Mailman lhe lembrar? de suas senhas em paulodinis.com uma vez por m?s, mas pode desativar isto se preferir. Este lembrete tamb?m inclui instru??es de como se desinscrever ou modificar suas op??es de conta. Tamb?m existe um bot?o em sua p?gina de op??es que poder? lhe enviar a senha. Paulo Dinis Certified Safety Tecnician Ergonomist Website : http://www.paulodinis.com/ From rob at regionalhelpwanted.com Mon Jan 12 18:12:30 2004 From: rob at regionalhelpwanted.com (Rob) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:12:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 26 References: Message-ID: <047901c3d92f$42d76ad0$1e01a8c0@KimJ> When I get the bounce action notification I take the email address put it in a text file( one per row) then cut and paste into mass removal and hit the submit changes button. I just did 150 of them, this morning. I'd love it if anyone has a script to generate this text file for me. But for now it works ok. My list only has 36000 subscribers so far, so I deal with this twice a week. Right now it's manageable to do it manually. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 11:46 AM Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 26 > Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > mailman-users at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mailman-users-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mailman-users-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Today's Topics: > > 1. test (Nick Stabel) > 2. Corrupted 'pending.pck' causing Mailman to crash? (Bob Franklin) > 3. Usubscribing a bunch of people (Svante Pettersson) > 4. Re: Usubscribing a bunch of people (Ralf Hildebrandt) > 5. Mailman + virtual domains again (on postfix)... (Dirk F?rsterling) > 6. Re: Usubscribing a bunch of people (Simon White) > 7. Reduzir contas telef?nicas em 50% meu telefone (Teleinfor) > 8. Re: Mailman + virtual domains again (on postfix)... (Jon Carnes) > 9. Personalization (Paulo Dinis) > 10. Re: Mailman + virtual domains again (on postfix)... > (Dirk F?rsterling) > 11. Languages settings - FW: Welcome to the "Forum" mailing list > (Paulo Dinis) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From simon at caperet.com Mon Jan 12 18:23:26 2004 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:23:26 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <047901c3d92f$42d76ad0$1e01a8c0@KimJ> References: <047901c3d92f$42d76ad0$1e01a8c0@KimJ> Message-ID: <20040112172325.GS14472@mediadev.com> 12-Jan-04 at 12:12, Rob (rob at regionalhelpwanted.com) wrote : > When I get the bounce action notification I take the email address put it in > a text file( one per row) then cut and paste into mass removal and hit the > submit changes button. I just did 150 of them, this morning. I'd love it if > anyone has a script to generate this text file for me. But for now it works > ok. My list only has 36000 subscribers so far, so I deal with this twice a > week. Right now it's manageable to do it manually. Here's how I handle this kind of thing: All bounces go into a separate folder which is standard mbox (because I use a Linux console based mail tool "mutt"). That folder is then scanned by a PERL script I borrowed and customised to recognise more bounces and to give different output from its original source. It would be trivial for it to recognise and parse emails from Mailman bounce notifications, and it also recognises Exchange bounces, Postfix, Qmail, Exim, and a few freemail bounce type reports as well as generic RFC compliant bounce messages. Then this PERL script outputs a text file with the format: "email_address", "bounce_reason" Again it would be trivial to get this to just give email_address ... email_address as output instead. If you don't have access to Linux command line tools for manipulating mailboxes it would be a lot of mucking about to get it working in Windows, though I dare say that with PC Pine, Active PERL and a bit of patience you could get somewhere. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From lan_administrator at solanapres.org Mon Jan 12 18:18:37 2004 From: lan_administrator at solanapres.org (Bryan Dyson) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:18:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble posting to one list Message-ID: I get this error when I post to my test list. I do know that other lists on the same box work just fine. Would anyone have an Idea where to start looking to fix this? Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: From office test 1-12-04 Sent: 1/12/2004 8:57 AM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: 'test4-request at listserv.solanapres.org' on 1/12/2004 9:08 AM The e-mail account does not exist at the organization this message was sent to. Check the e-mail address, or contact the recipient directly to find out the correct address. ... User unknown> Thanks, Bryan Dyson LAN/db Administrator Solana Beach Presbyterian Church 858-509-2580 Shelby 5.4.1561 From paul at thcwd.com Mon Jan 12 19:04:00 2004 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:04:00 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: 4 things: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040112115942.08f3dec0@mail.thcwd.com> "Andrzej Kasperowicz" wrote: >2 >I think that there should be an option allowing to archive mails >according to date of reception of the posts by mailman, and not date set >by user who sends it. That would make a mess of time stamps, especially on an international list. Maybe it would be better to override the sending time stamp only when it's, say, 2 days or more away from the Mailman server time? <>< Paul From brad.knowles at skynet.be Mon Jan 12 19:23:51 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:23:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 4 things: conjugation with usenet, archivisation by arriving date, statistics, and link to the archives i In-Reply-To: <4002DED6.7867.14B607D@localhost> References: <4000A84A.27668.2E0028C@localhost> <4002DED6.7867.14B607D@localhost> Message-ID: At 5:52 PM +0100 2004/01/12, Andrzej Kasperowicz wrote: >> No. The latest version of the mailman will only allow mailing >> list members to post through to the newsgroup. Newsgroup postings >> will be allowed through without restriction. Have your admin install >> version 2.1.4. > > He is using version 2.2a0 as you can see on the page > https://lists.man.lodz.pl/mailman/listinfo Odd. This problem has been mentioned before (see , , and . However, according to , this was fixed in 2.1.3 (I had been using 2.1.2 at the time). I haven't seen 2.1.3 myself, and now that 2.1.4 is out, I believed that this would carry the same solution forward. That said, Barry has repeatedly said that people should not be using the CVS/alpha version. It is not yet ready for production use. > Well, apparently some archivizers somehow overcome these problems, I'll believe that when I see it. > as > they have such a feature. Even if it's not a priority task to do, it > should be IMHO put into the queue... I don't believe that you (or anyone else) can answer the questions that I previously raised on this topic. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From brad.knowles at skynet.be Mon Jan 12 19:59:36 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:59:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: 4 things: In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040112115942.08f3dec0@mail.thcwd.com> References: <6.0.1.1.0.20040112115942.08f3dec0@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: At 12:04 PM -0600 2004/01/12, Paul H Byerly wrote: > That would make a mess of time stamps, especially on an > international list. Or any list spanning multiple timezones. > Maybe it would be better to override the > sending time stamp only when it's, say, 2 days or more away > from the Mailman server time? To really do it properly, you'd have to parse the date/time stamps on every hop that the message passed through, converting them all back to a common baseline (presumably something like UTC). When the "Date:" header is out-of-whack in comparison to the date/time stamps in the "Received:" headers, then it could be corrected (re-converted to the appropriate timezone, of course). But what would you do if some of the "Received:" headers agreed reasonably closely with the "Date:" header, and some didn't? How would you tell what might have been forged versus what might have been caused by a server being down for a few days, or whatever? Fundamentally, I do not think that this is a solvable problem, or that much effort should be expended in attempting to solve it. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From gary at gdma.com Mon Jan 12 20:37:13 2004 From: gary at gdma.com (Gary McClellan) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:37:13 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] User list query Message-ID: <4002F769.40705@gdma.com> Since I'm not a Python developer, can anyone suggest a simple script/program that would extract the email address of all the folks on my list who have had their subscription disabled due to bouncing? -- Gary McClellan Gary D McClellan and Associates Ltd 717 Portland Avenue Beloit, WI 53511 Tel: (608) 299-0220 Fax: (608) 299-0221 Cel: (608) 312-1573 From jasontromm at fastmailbox.net Mon Jan 12 21:01:15 2004 From: jasontromm at fastmailbox.net (Jason A. Trommetter) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:01:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Post from web interface? Message-ID: <20040112200115.7268380EE8@server2.messagingengine.com> Is there any way to post a message from the administrative web pages instead of sending an e-mail? I've got a situation where my mail server is down, but I can get to my list admin pages and I want to send out a message to my mailing list. From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Jan 12 21:33:30 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 12 Jan 2004 15:33:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] User list query In-Reply-To: <4002F769.40705@gdma.com> References: <4002F769.40705@gdma.com> Message-ID: <1073939592.2673.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 14:37, Gary McClellan wrote: > Since I'm not a Python developer, can anyone suggest a simple script/program > that would extract the email address of all the folks on my list who have had > their subscription disabled due to bouncing? You can grab this information out of the logs. I wrote a script (that is in the archives) that does exactly this. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From svante at thehighwaystar.com Mon Jan 12 21:45:28 2004 From: svante at thehighwaystar.com (Svante Pettersson) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:45:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <047901c3d92f$42d76ad0$1e01a8c0@KimJ> References: <047901c3d92f$42d76ad0$1e01a8c0@KimJ> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040112214429.01b99150@dns.deep-purple.com> At 18:12 2004-01-12, Rob wrote: >When I get the bounce action notification I take the email address put it in >a text file( one per row) then cut and paste into mass removal Can someone please post the exact location of this mass removal form? Oh, and the version they're running. I have looked and looked. Maybe I run the wrong version. Thanks. /Svante From svante at thehighwaystar.com Mon Jan 12 22:11:08 2004 From: svante at thehighwaystar.com (Svante Pettersson) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:11:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040112214429.01b99150@dns.deep-purple.com> References: <047901c3d92f$42d76ad0$1e01a8c0@KimJ> <6.0.1.1.0.20040112214429.01b99150@dns.deep-purple.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040112221004.01d62f38@dns.deep-purple.com> At 21:45 2004-01-12, Svante Pettersson wrote: >Maybe I run the wrong version. Yes, I need to convince the server admin to update our Mailman. Thanks to Simon and Dan! /Svante From brad.knowles at skynet.be Mon Jan 12 22:38:22 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:38:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 4 things: conjugation with usenet, archivisation by arriving date, statistics, and link to the archives i In-Reply-To: <4003175B.909.228299B@localhost> References: <4002DED6.7867.14B607D@localhost> <4003175B.909.228299B@localhost> Message-ID: At 9:53 PM +0100 2004/01/12, Andrzej Kasperowicz wrote: > http://www.mhonarc.org/MHonArc/doc/resources/datefields.html [ ... deletia ... ] > I don't know if it is foolproof, but I would wish also pipermail to look > rather at the received date, than sender composed date (from 2024 or > something). It's certainly not foolproof -- indeed, anything but. The problem is that the "Date:" field is almost always correct (at least, within a few minutes). This is why people get upset when it's wrong. If you really care about this problem, then what is really needed is not to simply choose the fields in a particular order, but instead a way of intelligently over-riding and correcting the value of the "Date:" field, based on the "Received:" headers. > It really looks strange when there are so many dates from future stored > in archive... A little. But they're stored in the order they're received, so anyone can look at them in that order, and clearly see that the date field is out of whack. It's not really such a big problem. > I'd prefer to have a few hours/days error in recognizing the date, than a > few years one. You're still thinking about what might happen by accident. You're not thinking about people who are intentionally trying to abuse or mislead the system. > BTW, don't you think that there could be a search engine build in mailman > archive (how did you find those links you quoted?)? No need. Use Google. A few choice words and a "site:python.org" and you should be able to find most anything on any of the lists. Of course, this doesn't help you for private archives, which is why there are tools like glimpse. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From jsingh at fdu.edu Mon Jan 12 23:19:16 2004 From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:19:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] install instructions Message-ID: <004d01c3d95a$20fd6fb0$630bee84@FDUJACK> Where can I find install instructions on the web for latest mailman install. thanks Jaskaran Singh University Systems & Security Fairleigh Dickinson University 1000 River Road, Mail Stop TBH1-01 Teaneck, NJ 07666 From brad.knowles at skynet.be Mon Jan 12 23:21:50 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:21:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 4 things: conjugation with usenet, archivisation by arriving date, statistics, and link to the archives i In-Reply-To: <4003290C.18757.26D41F8@localhost> References: <4003175B.909.228299B@localhost> <4003290C.18757.26D41F8@localhost> Message-ID: At 11:09 PM +0100 2004/01/12, Andrzej Kasperowicz wrote: > Well, it seems that instead of overriding "Date:" field by the date from > "Received:" it's enough to use the date from "Received:". At least in > Mhonarc it is like that. I think it should be available as an option in > Mailman. The Mhonarc authors seem to think it's okay, but I don't. Not at all. Of course, you're always free to install Mhonarc, if you don't like the methods employed by pipermail. > But when admin has no will/time to install it, it would be better to have > it included in Mailman, just like pipermail is included. The tools are there to make installation of an indexing engine pretty easy. > After all developers could had not included pipermail, and say 'hey, > there is Mhonarc, and hypermail, use that if you want to archive posts'. At the time pipermail was integrated, it was the best available tool. Mhonarc has improved (in some ways) since then, and it remains an alternative that is not particularly difficult to install, if you so choose. But it would be the worst possible mistake to try to make pipermail ape Mhonarc in every way. You have much more right to expect your admin to install the tools you want/need than you do to expect that the developers of mailman will accede to your every whim. If you can't get your admin to install the tools in question (for what is presumably a paying customer), how can you expect to get the developers of mailman to do everything your admin won't/can't, and for free? Barry (and team) have already provided all the necessary hooks to allow you (or your admin) to do just about everything you want. Beyond this, the best you can possibly hope for is that they will take these items as fodder for future improvements, and that sometime in the not-too-excessively-distant future, may look at that list again and decide that it might not be too hard to consider doing one of them. That is, unless you want to pay for the development of the features you want. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From mike at CamaroSS.net Tue Jan 13 00:08:54 2004 From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:08:54 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] install instructions In-Reply-To: <004d01c3d95a$20fd6fb0$630bee84@FDUJACK> Message-ID: <200401122303.i0CN3wsA032330@avwall.bladeware.com> Why not read the instructions included in the downloaded archive? Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] > On Behalf Of jsingh > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 4:19 PM > To: Mailman-Users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] install instructions > > Where can I find install instructions on the web for latest > mailman install. > > > thanks > > > > Jaskaran Singh > > University Systems & Security > > Fairleigh Dickinson University > > 1000 River Road, Mail Stop TBH1-01 > > Teaneck, NJ 07666 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net Unsubscribe or > change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40ca > maross.net > From barry at python.org Tue Jan 13 00:28:24 2004 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:28:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Where's LO? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1073950103.17326.159.camel@anthem> On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 17:53, Mark A. Mandel wrote: > On your web page > http://www.list.org/lists.html > > the link labeled > > {{Listowners}} is a mailing list with a non-technical focus, > specifically for discussions from the perspective of listowners and > moderators who do not have "shell access" to the mailing list server > where the Mailman software runs. > > leading to the URI > http://listowner.org/ > > produces the message > The page cannot be displayed > > Recent attempts to post to the listowner list have bounced (see > forwarded message). Unfortunately, I don't know either. I'll try to contact the domain owner, but if I get no answer I suppose I'll have to remove the link to that domain. -Barry From ldpahdoco at hotmail.com Tue Jan 13 01:07:58 2004 From: ldpahdoco at hotmail.com (Linda Pahdoco) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:07:58 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Client doesn't want to see listname-bounces in from or reply to Message-ID: I have a client who has several mailing lists (some of them quite large) on our server. The lists all behave properly, work well, etc. The problem my client has is the list subscribers see the listname-bounces as the reply to or the from address, and they think their messages are bouncing. They call the client, who in turn explains how it all works, then yells at me because she has to field the phone calls. I understand why the messages go out that way, but is there any way to disable it? I've tried disabling the bounce processing option, but it doesn't seem to make any difference. I don't care if it kills the automated processing, I just want her to stop yelling at me. And to keep paying her bills. The list is set for Reply To sender, not the list. TIA, LP _________________________________________________________________ There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1 From paul at thcwd.com Tue Jan 13 02:04:04 2004 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:04:04 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: 4 things: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040112185701.01f7ea98@mail.thcwd.com> I wrote: > > Maybe it would be better to override the > > sending time stamp only when it's, say, 2 days or more away > > from the Mailman server time? and Brad Knowles wrote: > To really do it properly, you'd have to parse the date/time >stamps on every hop that the message passed through, converting them >all back to a common baseline (presumably something like UTC). When >the "Date:" header is out-of-whack in comparison to the date/time >stamps in the "Received:" headers, then it could be corrected >(re-converted to the appropriate timezone, of course). All I care about is the one that is used by the archiver. If this date is not "reasonable" then it should be overridden. On second thought 2 days is too restrictive. Two days is fine for the future, longer would be needed for the past. >How would you tell what might have been forged versus what might have >been caused by a server being down for a few days, or whatever? Ultimately a bad guess would be better than something a decade or two in the future. Go check out http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/ and see how things like April 2024 and December 2006 make a mess. <>< Paul From simon at caperet.com Tue Jan 13 08:59:42 2004 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:59:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble posting to one list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040113075942.GA29545@mediadev.com> 12-Jan-04 at 09:18, Bryan Dyson (lan_administrator at solanapres.org) wrote : > I get this error when I post to my test list. > I do know that other lists on the same box work just fine. > Would anyone have an Idea where to start looking to fix this? > 'test4-request at listserv.solanapres.org' on 1/12/2004 9:08 AM > The e-mail account does not exist at the organization this That doesn't look like a mail server error message that I'm familiar with. What server is it? How does it handle aliases? I would assume that test4-request does not have a correct alias on that mail server, whereas others do, therefore they work. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From bazmail at curtis2310.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 13 11:48:37 2004 From: bazmail at curtis2310.demon.co.uk (Michael Curtis) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:48:37 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Panther os x mailman problems Message-ID: Hi, I am running mailman under os x 10.3.2 and it keeps turning itself off. Does anyone have any ideas regarding this? I have run the permissions checker and it has fixed lots of mailman privileges issues, but it still turns itself off. My normal email works fine. I have sent email to a list on the server and it just disappears. It doesn't even bounce. Where is the mail stored? Does anyone have any fault finding tips of mailman under os x? Any help most welcome. Best wishes Michael From simon at caperet.com Tue Jan 13 12:31:05 2004 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:31:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove_members error codes? Message-ID: <20040113113104.GB965@mediadev.com> I have noticed that the script remove_members doesn't exit with 0 after a couple of error conditions. Therefore, my external script seems to think that processing unsubscribes has gone OK when in fact sometimes this is not the case. The main problem is just that the main "for" loop for processing removals has no way to tell if there are multiple lists being processed or not, so it continues after a list error thinking there might be another list to try. In my case I only ever treat one list at once, but the continue allows processing to continue and a (default?) exit with 0. Also, if a file is specified on the command line and doesn't exist, this causes an error which does not cause exit to happen immediately and can cause a return value of 0 in a clear error condition. Attached a diff which is a cold blooded hack at best, but then it works for me and I've been having a lot of db crashes recently so I have to eliminate all possible wierd lock situations and stuff until I know what's really going on. Diff also corrects a one word omission from the usage help page i.e. the one displayed on command line argument errors or if called without arguments. Cheers, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. -------------- next part -------------- *** remove_members Tue Jan 13 12:26:00 2004 --- remove_members.new Tue Jan 13 12:26:48 2004 *************** *** 36,43 **** --fromall Removes the given addresses from all the lists on this system regardless of virtual domains if you have any. This option cannot be ! used -a/--all. Also, you should not specify a listname when using ! this option. --nouserack -n --- 36,43 ---- --fromall Removes the given addresses from all the lists on this system regardless of virtual domains if you have any. This option cannot be ! used with -a/--all. Also, you should not specify a listname when ! using this option. --nouserack -n *************** *** 154,170 **** --- 154,174 ---- addresses = addresses + ReadFile(filename) except IOError: print _('Could not open file for reading: %(filename)s.') + sys.exit(1) for listname in listnames: try: # open locked mlist = MailList.MailList(listname) + exitclean = 1 except Errors.MMListError: print _('Error opening list %(listname)s... skipping.') + exitclean = 0 continue if all: addresses = mlist.getMembers() + exitclean = 1 try: for addr in addresses: *************** *** 179,185 **** mlist.Save() finally: mlist.Unlock() ! if __name__ == '__main__': --- 183,191 ---- mlist.Save() finally: mlist.Unlock() ! ! if exitclean == 0: ! sys.exit(1) if __name__ == '__main__': From R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk Tue Jan 13 16:20:16 2004 From: R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk (Ray Gardener) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:20:16 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] processing list-owner messages Message-ID: <4161.10.19.10.17.1074007216.squirrel@coffee.shu.ac.uk> Hi, my platform is Mailman 2.1.4 running on Solaris 7 integrated with Exim 4. I notice a annoying facet of the installation. Mail for the list-administrators (e.g. request to action subscriptions) are being sent by mailman to to addresses list-owner at domain. List-owner at domain is a requred address for mailman - but I would expect that mailman would expand the address to the actual real email of the administrator9s) rather than send them to list-owner. The effect of not doing this is: after the mail is sent to the address it re-enters mailman where is is (correctly) recognised as a bounce. This bounced message is then correctly sent to the list admins (but presumably only because I have the option to sent the bounces to the admin set - otherwise I wouldn't see the requests). Can anyone advise me on what I need to do get mail to sent the administrative messages to the actual admins first time round? Regards -- R.A.Gardener Team Leader E-Communications Corporate Information Services Sheffield Hallam Uiversity R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk 0114 225 4926 From ntbrito at fc.up.pt Tue Jan 13 17:01:38 2004 From: ntbrito at fc.up.pt (=?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E9lson_Jorge_Teixeira_de_Brito?=) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:01:38 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin cgi Message-ID: <6C60E0294337E84EBE5B198747277FA9246727@MAIL.fc.up.pt> Hi, I have set up a mailing list with mailman but i can't run the cgi scripts with my web server (apache) because i'm not having permissitions to do it, this is the message i get: The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid -1. My httpd.conf has the entry AllowOverride None Options ExecCGI Order allow,deny Allow from all and mailman is on "nogroup" group with gid 65534. Can you please help me? thank you very much, nelson From jpdullius at terra.com.br Tue Jan 13 20:32:04 2004 From: jpdullius at terra.com.br (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Paulo_Ferraresi_Dullius?=) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:32:04 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Messages becoming Attachments Message-ID: <000e01c3da0b$ece0b270$0200a8c0@Dullius> Is there a way to avoid HTML messagens from being delivered as attachments? Whenever an user sends a message in HTML (or RichText) format, when the message is received, Outlook marks it with the attachment icon. Is there a way to avoid it? thanks Dullius From andyk at spunge.org Mon Jan 12 17:52:22 2004 From: andyk at spunge.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:52:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 4 things: conjugation with usenet, archivisation by arriving date, statistics, and link to the archives i In-Reply-To: References: <4000A84A.27668.2E0028C@localhost> Message-ID: <4002DED6.7867.14B607D@localhost> > No. The latest version of the mailman will only allow mailing > list members to post through to the newsgroup. Newsgroup postings > will be allowed through without restriction. Have your admin install > version 2.1.4. He is using version 2.2a0 as you can see on the page https://lists.man.lodz.pl/mailman/listinfo > The messages are archived in the order in which they are > received. The dates shown are those as present in the original > message. If the date on the sender's machine is out-of-whack, then > that's what is displayed. This could not be reasonably corrected by > the receiving system, because there would be no way to know what the > correct date would be -- how long was the message delayed? What time > zone was it sent from? There would be too many questions to answer, > for which there are no answers. Well, apparently some archivizers somehow overcome these problems, as they have such a feature. Even if it's not a priority task to do, it should be IMHO put into the queue... > > I also would wish to see in mailman statistics of posts sent by users, > > i.e. how many post were sent from each e-mail address. There is such a > > feature in ver. 6.0d of ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas. It would > > be nice to have it in Mailman, too. > > That sounds like it would be a nice addition. I hope some develpers will put it into the todo queue. > > I think that there should be present a link to the main archive web page > > in every archivised message seen in archive, because at the moment there > > is only link to the subscribtion page (information page), and possibility > > to sort messages differently, but if I read it sorted by thread for > > example, I cannot go back to the begining of the thread or to the main > > archive web page by clicking on a link - there is no such a link, > > unfortunatelly. [...] > If you are unable to help implement this functionality in some > way, the best that can be hoped for is that this feature request will > be put in the queue, and someday someone might be able to do it. I hope it will be... ak From andyk at spunge.org Mon Jan 12 21:53:31 2004 From: andyk at spunge.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:53:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 4 things: conjugation with usenet, archivisation by arriving date, statistics, and link to the archives i In-Reply-To: References: <4002DED6.7867.14B607D@localhost> Message-ID: <4003175B.909.228299B@localhost> > , > this was fixed in 2.1.3 (I had been using 2.1.2 at the time). I > haven't seen 2.1.3 myself, and now that 2.1.4 is out, I believed that > this would carry the same solution forward. Thanks for the info. > > Well, apparently some archivizers somehow overcome these problems, > > I'll believe that when I see it. Here you go. ======= http://www.mhonarc.org/MHonArc/CHANGES 1998/02/18 (2.1.1) o Added DATEFIELDS resource. The resource allows the user to specify the fields (and order) that are checked when MHonArc extracts the date of a message. ======== http://www.mhonarc.org/MHonArc/doc/resources/datefields.html By default. mhonarc looks at the Received fields of a message to determine a message's date. This tends to be more accurate as it tells when the message was actually received (it is better to trust a date/time you have control over vs what the sender has control over). However, you may want to have the date based upon the time the sender composed the message. The Date field usually reflects the composition date. ======== I don't know if it is foolproof, but I would wish also pipermail to look rather at the received date, than sender composed date (from 2024 or something). It really looks strange when there are so many dates from future stored in archive... > I don't believe that you (or anyone else) can answer the > questions that I previously raised on this topic. I'd prefer to have a few hours/days error in recognizing the date, than a few years one. BTW, don't you think that there could be a search engine build in mailman archive (how did you find those links you quoted?)? Regards ak From andyk at spunge.org Mon Jan 12 23:09:00 2004 From: andyk at spunge.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:09:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 4 things: conjugation with usenet, archivisation by arriving date, statistics, and link to the archives i In-Reply-To: References: <4003175B.909.228299B@localhost> Message-ID: <4003290C.18757.26D41F8@localhost> > The problem is that the "Date:" field is almost always correct > (at least, within a few minutes). This is why people get upset when > it's wrong. If you really care about this problem, then what is > really needed is not to simply choose the fields in a particular > order, but instead a way of intelligently over-riding and correcting > the value of the "Date:" field, based on the "Received:" headers. Well, it seems that instead of overriding "Date:" field by the date from "Received:" it's enough to use the date from "Received:". At least in Mhonarc it is like that. I think it should be available as an option in Mailman. > Of course, this doesn't help you for private archives, which is > why there are tools like glimpse. But when admin has no will/time to install it, it would be better to have it included in Mailman, just like pipermail is included. After all developers could had not included pipermail, and say 'hey, there is Mhonarc, and hypermail, use that if you want to archive posts'. ak From andyk at spunge.org Tue Jan 13 00:30:37 2004 From: andyk at spunge.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:30:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 4 things: conjugation with usenet, archivisation by arriving date, statistics, and link to the archives i In-Reply-To: References: <4003290C.18757.26D41F8@localhost> Message-ID: <40033C2D.4274.2B7FD31@localhost> > Of course, you're always free to install Mhonarc, if you don't > like the methods employed by pipermail. I can't, I'm not the admin there. > But it would be the worst possible mistake to try to make > pipermail ape Mhonarc in every way. Nobody wants that. > If you can't get your admin to install the tools in question (for > what is presumably a paying customer), how can you expect to get the > developers of mailman to do everything your admin won't/can't, and > for free? No. I'm not the one, that's why I cannot be too fussy. :/ I simply noticed the problem, and told you about it. I even shown you how others tried to solve it. Saying 'it's not a big problem' might be true, but it just doesn't bring us any closer to the solution, does it? I just hoped all the problems I mentioned will be put in the todo list. It needn't to be on top of the list (I can't be too fussy here, either ;)), but it would be bad if the problems get forgotten. > Barry (and team) have already provided all the necessary hooks to > allow you (or your admin) to do just about everything you want. I'm just pointing out how mailman could be improved in future... That's how I can help in mailman development. > Beyond this, the best you can possibly hope for is that they will > take these items as fodder for future improvements, and that sometime I do hope so. :) > That is, unless you want to pay for the development of the > features you want. "If I were a rich man, Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum..." ;) http://www.nuneworld.com/lyrics/lyricsdet.asp?title=i&ID=5 Cheers! Andy From kdo at cosmos.phy.tufts.edu Tue Jan 13 03:34:51 2004 From: kdo at cosmos.phy.tufts.edu (Ken Olum) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:34:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] overactive spam blocking might have blocked mailman Message-ID: For most of today, DNSBL.SORBS.NET was blocking 127.0.0.1, which means that when mailman tries to deliver to any local address and you have spam blocking with this server, your messages get lost. The problem applies to local users on mailing lists and also to list-owner addresses. The problem is now fixed at SORBS.NET, but one might want to check for lost mail. Ken Olum From aarthek at xmission.com Tue Jan 13 17:56:37 2004 From: aarthek at xmission.com (Aarthek) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:56:37 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.4 small problem Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040113095444.029cb858@mail.xmission.com> Greetings, I was running mailman 2.0.13 forever and resently upgraded to the 2.1.4 version... Overall I love the changes done, however I am not longer getting emails about subscriptions or removals from the lists I use and I have the the setting set for sending moderators and admins notice of that - and I'm not getting notices of when soemeone tries to post to the list that isn't in the list anymore... Any help would be great... or if you need further information please ask.. -- Stuart M. Thorpe AIM: Aarthek http://www.xmission.com/~aarthek/ From ctneuman at tampabay.rr.com Mon Jan 12 22:37:55 2004 From: ctneuman at tampabay.rr.com (Chad Neuman) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:37:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hey Message-ID: <001301c3d954$56e786c0$998c2041@STUDY> Hey I have that mailing list software, but I am not sure how to make it so only the administrators or managers can send e-mails to the list, and not just anyone on the list. How can one do that? Thanks, Chad Neuman ctneuman at tampabay.rr.com From mamandel at ldc.upenn.edu Mon Jan 12 23:53:10 2004 From: mamandel at ldc.upenn.edu (Mark A. Mandel) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:53:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where's LO? Message-ID: On your web page http://www.list.org/lists.html the link labeled {{Listowners}} is a mailing list with a non-technical focus, specifically for discussions from the perspective of listowners and moderators who do not have "shell access" to the mailing list server where the Mailman software runs. leading to the URI http://listowner.org/ produces the message The page cannot be displayed Recent attempts to post to the listowner list have bounced (see forwarded message). -- Mark A. Mandel Linguistic Data Consortium, University of Pennsylvania ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:02:28 -0500 (EST) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: mamandel at ldc.upenn.edu Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details The original message was received at Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:57:54 -0500 (EST) from localhost [127.0.0.1] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... 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Qualquer dúvida sobre a lista contacte ergolist at paulodinis.com Cordialmente, Paulo Dinis Para postar a esta lista, envie uma mensagem para: Forum at paulodinis.com Informa??es gerais sobre esta lista de discuss?o podem ser encontradas em: http://paulodinis.com/mailman/listinfo/forum_paulodinis.com Se deseja se desinscrever ou modificar suas op??es (eg, mudar de/para o modo digest, modificar a senha, etc.), visite sua p?gina de inscri??o em: http://paulodinis.com/mailman/options/forum_paulodinis.com/consultoria%40pau lodinis.com Voc? tamb?m pode fazer tais ajustes via e-mail enviando uma mensagem para: Forum-request at paulodinis.com com a palavra 'help' no assunto ou corpo da mensagem (n?o inclua as aspas), e voc? receber? uma mensagem com instru??es. Voc? deve saber sua senha para modificar as suas op??es (incluindo a pr?pria senha) ou para se desinscrever. Ela ?: bediar Normalmente, o Mailman lhe lembrar? de suas senhas em paulodinis.com uma vez por m?s, mas pode desativar isto se preferir. Este lembrete tamb?m inclui instru??es de como se desinscrever ou modificar suas op??es de conta. Tamb?m existe um bot?o em sua p?gina de op??es que poder? lhe enviar a senha. From jeff at planetjeff.net Tue Jan 13 22:22:57 2004 From: jeff at planetjeff.net (Jeffrey Jacobson) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:22:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-local list members cannot post. Message-ID: I just set up Mailman on my server, and it works great but only for users who's accounts are on the server machine itself. List member accounts on other hosts are not forwarded to the list. There is no bounce message, so error message or even any log entry of any kind, that I can see. This, despite the fact that simple e-mail to and from the server machine and remote hosts get through fine. I am running Red Hat Linux 9.0 (linux kernel release 2.4.20-6) My server's name is hemef.cfa.cmu.edu. It has sendmail release 8.12.8 I installed Mailman version 2.1.1-4 using the "Red Hat Package Manager Interface" (rpm) Interestingly, the administrative notifications to external users get through fine, i.e. the "Welcome to so-and-so list" message and the unsubscribe message. And the rest of mailman's administrative front-end works great. Below is a list of fixes I have tried, based on the FAQ(s) at www.list.org Any help would be appreciated! ----------------------------------- I modified mm_cfg.py to read: ... DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'hemef.cfa.cmu.edu' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'hemef.cfa.cmu.edu' # Because we've overriden the virtual hosts above add_virtualhost # MUST be called after they have been defined. add_virtualhost('hemef.cfa.cmu.edu', 'hemef.cfa.cmu.edu') ... This is probably correct, because mailman IS corectly working for server-local users. ------------- I ran /var/mailman/bin/check_perms, which fixed permissions on a bunch of files. Made no difference. ----------------- The mailman-related aliases are fine. ----------------- sendmail is running smrsh, but there is a mailman -> /var/mailman/mail/mailman link in the /etc/smrsh directory. It was put there by the Red Hat Package Manager, so it is probably correct. ----------------------------- Results of a "netstat -na : grep ":25" command yeilded: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN Which means sendmail (my MTA) is listening to 127.0.0.1, localhost, which is what mailman is sending to. -------------------------- Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! -- Jeff http://PlanetJeff.net From listmgr at antennex.com Tue Jan 13 23:50:14 2004 From: listmgr at antennex.com (List Manager) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:50:14 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 4 things: conjugation with usenet, archivisation by arriving date, statistics, and link to the archives i References: <4003175B.909.228299B@localhost> <4003290C.18757.26D41F8@localhost> Message-ID: <001801c3da27$9ee519a0$0300000a@sagea> Hello: I have followed Mailman for a year+ and have yet to reach a point to replace my combo of majordomo and Mhonarc. Finally, a week ago I installed the latest version of MM and was quite surprised with how smoothly it went. I thought, NOW is the time to switch over -- that is, until I saw the flaw now being discussed about the bad dates in the archives as shown by MM's own archives. Being that our lists are filled with scientists, engineers, academics who commonly measure the quality of a "paper" on its grammar, spelling, and other nits, this flaw put me off again for the moment -- and I don't want to have to patch Mhonarc back again. I was thrilled to see the pipermail archiver installed and then abruptly dissapointed. I'm not complaining as I jnow this is software that is free to use and one doesn't look a gift horse in the mouth. I just saw the opportunity to ring in on this very on-point issue, and at the same time hoping it can be fixed soon. Now that I've tried MM, I really like it..... Thanks.... and keep up the good work! Best regards, List Manager listmgr at antennex.com http://www.antennex.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrzej Kasperowicz" To: "Brad Knowles" ; Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 4 things: conjugation with usenet,archivisation by arriving date, statistics, and link to the archives i > > The problem is that the "Date:" field is almost always correct > > (at least, within a few minutes). This is why people get upset when > > it's wrong. If you really care about this problem, then what is > > really needed is not to simply choose the fields in a particular > > order, but instead a way of intelligently over-riding and correcting > > the value of the "Date:" field, based on the "Received:" headers. > > Well, it seems that instead of overriding "Date:" field by the date from > "Received:" it's enough to use the date from "Received:". At least in > Mhonarc it is like that. I think it should be available as an option in > Mailman. > > > Of course, this doesn't help you for private archives, which is > > why there are tools like glimpse. > > But when admin has no will/time to install it, it would be better to have > it included in Mailman, just like pipermail is included. > After all developers could had not included pipermail, and say 'hey, > there is Mhonarc, and hypermail, use that if you want to archive posts'. > > ak > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: listmgr at antennex.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/listmgr%40antennex.com > From operations at pantherassociates.com Wed Jan 14 00:48:47 2004 From: operations at pantherassociates.com (Operations Manager) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:48:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Commands In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040113095444.029cb858@mail.xmission.com> Message-ID: Hi: I have upgraded from 2.0.10 to 2.1.3 (on FreeBSD) and I am having trouble with the email commands. What I need to do is have the user fill out a form on web page to unsubscribe and then have the form emailed to the list. According to the docs this is possible but when I test it, all I get is a mail back saying that the password supplied is incorrect. According to the docs if the password is wrong or not supplied a confirmation mail is sent to the address. In this reply is a web address to complete the unsubscribe. Is anyone else having this problem and has anyone got a fix? Thanks, Iain From emechler at techometer.net Wed Jan 14 01:53:27 2004 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:53:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hey In-Reply-To: <001301c3d954$56e786c0$998c2041@STUDY> References: <001301c3d954$56e786c0$998c2041@STUDY> Message-ID: <20040114005327.GP64481@techometer.net> :: Hey I have that mailing list software, but I am not sure how to make it :: so only the administrators or managers can send e-mails to the list, and :: not just anyone on the list. How can one do that? This question is asked about once every two days or so on this list. Feel free to check out the archives for an answer. From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Wed Jan 14 03:23:12 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:23:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rotating Archives Message-ID: <400461C0.23906.12E692D@localhost> I am the admin of quite a few lists and on one of the lists I want to limit the archives to the last month only. Actually the last 30 days. Is this possible? I am running 2.1.1 (soon to be 2.1.4 with Richard Barrett's excelent patches for HTDig integration) on Redhat 7.3 I have checked the archives of the list and didn't find anything on this. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Or at least tell me not to bother because it can't be done. Thanks, -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line. From mark at pdc-racing.net Wed Jan 14 04:00:04 2004 From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:00:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rotating Archives In-Reply-To: <400461C0.23906.12E692D@localhost> References: <400461C0.23906.12E692D@localhost> Message-ID: On Jan 13, 2004, at 6:23 PM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > I am the admin of quite a few lists and on one of the lists I want to > limit the archives to the last month only. Actually the last 30 days. > > Is this possible? I am running 2.1.1 (soon to be 2.1.4 with Richard > Barrett's excelent patches for HTDig integration) on Redhat 7.3 > > I have checked the archives of the list and didn't find anything on > this. This would be really easy to script and run daily from cron. The basic archives are stored in mbox format, so you just remove the appropriate posts from the beginning of the mailbox and then call bin/arch with the --wipe option to regenerate the archive html stuff. Run it early in the morning when no one is looking. Piece of cake. - Mark ----- mark at pdc-racing.net From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Wed Jan 14 04:25:49 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:25:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rotating Archives In-Reply-To: References: <400461C0.23906.12E692D@localhost> Message-ID: <4004706D.13696.167BF8D@localhost> On 13 Jan 2004 at 19:00, Mark Dadgar wrote: > This would be really easy to script and run daily from cron. The > basic archives are stored in mbox format, so you just remove the > appropriate posts from the beginning of the mailbox and then call > bin/arch with the --wipe option to regenerate the archive html stuff. > Run it early in the morning when no one is looking. Any pointers? I am new to Linux and got thrown into the List admin role by saying I was interested in learning Linux :-) I had kind of though that it would be something along these lines, but wasn't sure. I guess I need to re-phrase the question properly :( How would I parse the mbox file to remove anything older than XX from it so I can regenerate the archives? If someone has something like this I could look at I'd be ever so greatful, or at least some pointers to the shell commands that I'd need to look at to start on parsing the file. Thanks very much for patience with a newbie. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca Don't be irreplaceable. If you can't be replaced, you can't be promoted. From pjh at mccc.edu Wed Jan 14 05:12:54 2004 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:12:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Pending Requests Message-ID: Recently, I've been getting email notifications that email posted to the mailing list I run requires administrative action, but when I go to the administrative website, there are no administrative tasks pending. What is going on? Where are the pending requests stored? Thanks, Pete From mailman at alan.batie.org Wed Jan 14 06:43:04 2004 From: mailman at alan.batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:43:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rotating Archives In-Reply-To: <4004706D.13696.167BF8D@localhost> References: <400461C0.23906.12E692D@localhost> <4004706D.13696.167BF8D@localhost> Message-ID: <20040114054304.GA56904@agora.rdrop.com> On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 10:25:49PM -0500, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > How would I parse the mbox file to remove anything older than XX from > it so I can regenerate the archives? Here's a script I've been using for several years to rotate my mailboxes (I hope it's not sacriledge to post a perl script to a list at python.org ;-) ). If the mbox arguments are files, it just does that file, if directories, it does all files in the directories, moving messages from mbox to archive_mbox, keeping the specified number of days worth of messages in the original: /usr/local/bin/agemail Mail.30days Mail.archive 90 > /dev/null /usr/local/bin/agemail Mail Mail.30days 30 > /dev/null #!/usr/bin/perl eval "exec /usr/bin/perl -S $0 $*" if $running_under_some_shell; $| = 1; if ($#ARGV != 2) { print "Usage: $0 mbox/dir archive_mbox/dir days_to_keep\n"; exit(1); } # If archive_dir == /dev/null, toss messages $toss = 0; $folder_dir = $ARGV[0]; $archive_dir = $ARGV[1]; if ($archive_dir eq "/dev/null") { $toss = 1; } $keep_days = $ARGV[2]; if ($keep_days =~ /[^0-9]/) { print STDERR "Number of days parameter must be numeric.\n"; exit(1); } $keep_time = $keep_days * 24 * 3600; $cur_time = time; if (-d $folder_dir) { if ($toss == 1 || -d $archive_dir) { unless (opendir(FOLDERS, $folder_dir)) { print STDERR "Can't open '$folder_dir': $!\n"; exit(1); } @folder_list = readdir(FOLDERS); closedir(FOLDERS); } else { print STDERR "Inconsistent: mbox dir, but archive is not dir\n"; print STDERR "(mbox='$folder_dir', archive='$archive_dir')\n"; exit(1); } } elsif (-f $folder_dir) { if ($toss == 1 || !-e $archive_dir || (-e $archive_dir && -f $archive_dir)) { @folder_list = ($folder_dir); $folder_dir = ""; } else { print STDERR "Inconsistent: mbox file, but archive is not file\n"; print STDERR "(mbox='$folder_dir', archive='$archive_dir')\n"; exit(1); } } print; foreach $mbox (@folder_list) { if ($folder_dir eq "") { $mailbox = $mbox; $archive = $archive_dir; $newbox = $mbox . ".$$"; } else { $mailbox = $folder_dir . "/" . $mbox; $archive = $archive_dir . "/" . $mbox; $newbox = $folder_dir . "/" . $mbox . ".$$"; } if ( ! -f $mailbox ) { if ($folder_dir eq "") { print STDERR "Mailbox '$mailbox' not a file\n"; } next; } print "\r$mbox... "; ($start_dev, $start_ino, $start_mode, $start_nlink, $start_uid, $start_gid, $start_rdev, $start_size, $start_atime, $start_mtime, $start_ctime, $start_blksize, $start_blocks) = stat($mailbox); unless (open(mailbox, "<$mailbox")) { print STDERR "Can't read $mailbox: $!\n"; exit(1); } unless (open(newbox, ">$newbox")) { print STDERR "Can't write to $newbox: $!\n"; exit(1); } if (!$toss) { unless (open(archive, ">>$archive")) { print STDERR "Can't append to $archive: $!\n"; exit(1); } } # In case there's junk in front of the first From... $arch_it = 1; while () { if (/^From /) { $msg_time = do parse_date($_); if ($cur_time - $msg_time < $keep_time) { $arch_it = 0; } else { $arch_it = 1; } } if ($arch_it == 0) { print newbox $_ || die "Write to $newbox failed: $!\n"; } else { if (!$toss) { print archive $_ || die "Write to $archive failed: $!\n"; } } } close(mailbox); close(newbox); if (!$toss) { close(archive); } ($stop_dev, $stop_ino, $stop_mode, $stop_nlink, $stop_uid, $stop_gid, $stop_rdev, $stop_size, $stop_atime, $stop_mtime, $stop_ctime, $stop_blksize, $stop_blocks) = stat($mailbox); if ($stop_mtime > $start_mtime) { print STDERR "$mailbox was modified after start of archive ---\n"; print STDERR "Updated version left in $newbox.\n"; exit(1); } unless (unlink($mailbox)) { print STDERR "Unable to unlink $mailbox: $!\n"; exit(1); } if (!$toss) { if ( -z $archive ) { unless (unlink($archive)) { print STDERR "Can't unlink empty archive '$archive': $!\n"; exit(1); } } } if ( -s $newbox ) { unless (link($newbox, $mailbox)) { print STDERR "Unable to link $newbox to $mailbox: $!\n"; exit(1); } } unlink($newbox); # print "done\n"; } print "\n"; exit(0); # Process From_ lines to get the number of days since Jan. 1, 1970: # # From aahz!batie Fri Aug 3 08:30:41 1990 sub parse_date { local($from_space) = $_; $month_tbl{"Jan"} = 0; $month_tbl{"Feb"} = 1; $month_tbl{"Mar"} = 2; $month_tbl{"Apr"} = 3; $month_tbl{"May"} = 4; $month_tbl{"Jun"} = 5; $month_tbl{"Jul"} = 6; $month_tbl{"Aug"} = 7; $month_tbl{"Sep"} = 8; $month_tbl{"Oct"} = 9; $month_tbl{"Nov"} = 10; $month_tbl{"Dec"} = 11; $days_so_far{"Jan"} = 0; $days_so_far{"Feb"} = 31; $days_so_far{"Mar"} = 59; $days_so_far{"Apr"} = 90; $days_so_far{"May"} = 120; $days_so_far{"Jun"} = 151; $days_so_far{"Jul"} = 181; $days_so_far{"Aug"} = 212; $days_so_far{"Sep"} = 243; $days_so_far{"Oct"} = 273; $days_so_far{"Nov"} = 304; $days_so_far{"Dec"} = 334; $sec_per_year = 31536000; $sec_per_day = 86400; $sec_per_hour = 3600; $sec_per_minute = 60; $timezone = 8; ($d1, $user, $d3, $month, $day, $time, $year) = split(/ +/, $from_space); ($hours, $minutes, $seconds) = split(/:/, $time); $month_num = $month_tbl{$month}; # determine the number of seconds since the beginning of the universe $clock = ($year - 1970) * $sec_per_year; if ($month ne "Jan") { $clock = $clock + $days_so_far{$month} * $sec_per_day; } $clock = $clock + ($day - 1) * $sec_per_day; $clock = $clock + $hours * $sec_per_hour; $clock = $clock + $minutes * $sec_per_minute; $clock = $clock + $seconds; # calculate in the leap year fudge factors if ($year gt 1971) { $fudge_days = 0; $fudge_days = int(($year - 1972) / 4); if (($year % 4) != 0 || (($year % 4) == 0 && $month_num > 1)) { $fudge_days++; } $clock = $clock + $fudge_days * $sec_per_day; } # calculate in the time shift westward from Greenwich $clock = $clock + $timezone * $sec_per_hour; # worry about daylight savings time ($d1, $d2, $d3, $d4, $d5, $d6, $d7, $d8, $isdst) = localtime(time); if ($isdst != 0) { $clock = $clock - $sec_per_hour; } return $clock; } -- Alan Batie ______ alan.batie.org Me alan at batie.org \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ spamassassin.taint.org NO SPAM! 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 305 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040113/1a6f2e10/attachment.pgp From g.halse at ru.ac.za Wed Jan 14 09:56:59 2004 From: g.halse at ru.ac.za (Guy Antony Halse) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:56:59 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no subjects in pipermail archive listing In-Reply-To: <20031224103259.GC19313@mediadev.com> References: <20031217123312.GA8786@rucus.ru.ac.za> <20031224102900.GA70472@rucus.ru.ac.za> <20031224103259.GC19313@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <20040114085659.GA2443@rucus.ru.ac.za> On Wed 2003-12-24 (11:33), Simon White wrote: > However there should be a way to parse the lines a bit better. The From > lines usually contain a date (should be an RFC formatted date string, > don't remember which RFC) and so on. I found a reasonably simple solution to this, although it is probably somewhat of a hack. I've replaced references to PortableUnixMailbox in Mailman/Mailbox.py with UnixMailbox. Looking at the source code for the python mailbox modules, PortableUnixMailbox simply checks that the first five characters of the line are 'From ', while UnixMailbox does a long complicated regex. This solution might not be portable (as its name suggests), but it seems to work for our MTA (exim). At least I don't have (no subject) in my archives any more. - Guy -- Systems Manager, IT Division, Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa Email: G.Halse at ru.ac.za Web: http://mombe.org/ IRC: rm-rf at irc.zanet.net *** ANSI Standard Disclaimer *** J.A.P.H From goetz.reinicke at filmakademie.de Wed Jan 14 10:15:18 2004 From: goetz.reinicke at filmakademie.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6tz_Reinicke?=) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:15:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving mailman to a new server Message-ID: <400508A6.4010100@filmakademie.de> Hi, I have a running mailman 2.1.2-1 Installation on a Redhat 9 server. Now I'd like to move this installation to a new Fedora 1 server. What files/directories should I copy? How to start? 1. I'd install mailman on the new server and than copy the old directorys (archives, lists, logs) to the new server. 2. edit the /etc/alias file 3 ... ?? Thanks for any hints and tips!! Best regards, G?tz Reinicke -- G?tz Reinicke IT Koordinator - IT OfficeNet Tel. +49 (0) 7141 - 969 420 Fax +49 (0) 7141 - 969 55 420 goetz.reinicke at filmakademie.de Filmakademie Baden-W?rttemberg Mathildenstr. 20 71638 Ludwigsburg www.filmakademie.de From paux at paukner.cc Wed Jan 14 11:46:58 2004 From: paux at paukner.cc (Stephan Paukner) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:46:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases & virtual-mailman for Mailman itself Message-ID: <1313.213.164.18.61.1074077218.squirrel@mail.paukner.cc> Hi! I have three lists running at virtual.domain, which work perfectly. The Mailman-list itself had been created for my.domain, but mailman at my.domain and mailman-*@my.domain are rejected, and there are no entries for it in data/aliases and data/virtual. Did I remove them accidentally? Should I restore them? Or are they stored elsewhere? I added my.domain to POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS (in mm_cfg.py) *after* having created the lists I use. Is this the wrong approach? The default EMail-host had been hostname.my.domain, which I changed to my.domain. Also, I renamed my first list "Testlist" (i.e. changed real_name) into another name, under which it is in use now. But there are still the testlist* entries in the aliases. Should I remove them? TIA Mailman is 2.1.3, MTA is Postfix @ Debian stable. Stephan From paux at paukner.cc Wed Jan 14 12:06:29 2004 From: paux at paukner.cc (Stephan Paukner) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:06:29 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases & virtual-mailman for Mailman itself In-Reply-To: <1313.213.164.18.61.1074077218.squirrel@mail.paukner.cc> References: <1313.213.164.18.61.1074077218.squirrel@mail.paukner.cc> Message-ID: <1332.213.164.18.61.1074078389.squirrel@mail.paukner.cc> Stephan Paukner wrote: > Also, I renamed my first list "Testlist" (i.e. changed real_name) into > another name, under which it is in use now. But there are still the > testlist* entries in the aliases. Should I remove them? Sorry, I'm wrong... I simply made Testlist invisible. :-P Now I found out that the text on the Homepage that one may write to mailman@ is created dynamically, depending on the written in the URL. But mailman at virtual.domain is also rejected. Stephan From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Jan 14 12:50:18 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:50:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: 4 things: In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040112185701.01f7ea98@mail.thcwd.com> References: <6.0.1.1.0.20040112185701.01f7ea98@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: At 7:04 PM -0600 2004/01/12, Paul H Byerly wrote: > Ultimately a bad guess would be better than something a decade > or two in the future. Go check out > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/ and see how things > like April 2024 and December 2006 make a mess. You're always free to install Mhonarc, if you prefer. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From admin2 at enabled.com Wed Jan 14 16:16:23 2004 From: admin2 at enabled.com (Noah) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:16:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1.4 - gate_news complains Message-ID: <20040114151437.M56060@enabled.com> any clue why I am seeing the following complaint from gate_news ? did I misconfigure somewhere along the line? Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news --- snip --- python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer --- snip --- - Noah From skip at pobox.com Wed Jan 14 17:18:22 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:18:22 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending subscriptions sent to -owner address not -admin address Message-ID: <16389.27598.772645.414913@montanaro.dyndns.org> I'm running MM 2.1.2. On one list which has three admins, all pending subscription messages appear to be going to the -owner address (just me) instead of the -admin address (all three of us). Any ideas where to look for an answer? I checked the MM FAQ Wizard. It appears that question 3.27 addresses this, but there's no answer posted. I also googled the archives but couldn't find anything obvious. Here are my sendmail aliases: cedu-admin: "|/etc/smrsh/mailman admin cedu" cedu-bounces: "|/etc/smrsh/mailman bounces cedu" cedu-confirm: "|/etc/smrsh/mailman confirm cedu" cedu-join: "|/etc/smrsh/mailman join cedu" cedu-leave: "|/etc/smrsh/mailman leave cedu" cedu-owner: "|/etc/smrsh/mailman owner cedu" cedu-request: "|/etc/smrsh/mailman request cedu" cedu-subscribe: "|/etc/smrsh/mailman subscribe cedu" cedu-unsubscribe: "|/etc/smrsh/mailman unsubscribe cedu" I suppose I could try changing cedu-owner to be an alias for cedu-admin. Do others do that? Thanks, -- Skip Montanaro Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/submit.html Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/ skip at pobox.com From skip at pobox.com Wed Jan 14 17:23:12 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:23:12 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "mailman" list - why can't it just be an alias? Message-ID: <16389.27888.709338.886905@montanaro.dyndns.org> In moving from MM 2.0 to MM 2.1 I began getting warnings during the start-of-month mailings about a missing mailman list. I had previously just had a mailman alias pointing to me, but that apparently wasn't sufficient. Who needs to be on that list? All list admins & moderators or just those who actually administer the mailman installation? That would be just me on this particular machine and is how I have it set up. Thanks, -- Skip Montanaro Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/submit.html Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/ skip at pobox.com From bazmail at curtis2310.demon.co.uk Wed Jan 14 18:05:42 2004 From: bazmail at curtis2310.demon.co.uk (Michael Curtis) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:05:42 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Panther os x mailman problems - resolved Message-ID: Hi, I have now fixed my issue with Panther server. It seems it took 5 attempts to fix the permissions issues using disk administrator. Once they were fixed, I stopped the mail service, rebooted. I then re-made the lists and restarted the service and all seems fine now. Best wishes Michael From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Jan 14 18:08:14 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:08:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Operation not permitted In-Reply-To: <200401140855.43076.rlfrank@paradigm-omega.com> References: <200401140855.43076.rlfrank@paradigm-omega.com> Message-ID: <20040114170814.GT1581@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Robin Lynn Frank wrote: > When creating a new list, I encounter the following. check_perms > says all is well, but apparently permission is denied to update > mailman's aliases.db. I can do so with postalias, but suspect that > Postfix.py doesn't have permission to invoke postalias. How do I > get it to do so without jeopardizing security? Have you checked the FAQ and not found the answer? - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== A baby first laughs at the age of four weeks. By that time his eyes focus well enough to see you clearly. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFABXd+uv+09NZUB1oRAtMCAKDhJCbLWH4OV3hy9MhnV6szHXKFJgCfS+jd iV7GDI3qvozo0xM1k6+1XhU= =lDL0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bazmail at curtis2310.demon.co.uk Wed Jan 14 18:13:58 2004 From: bazmail at curtis2310.demon.co.uk (Michael Curtis) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:13:58 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing problem Message-ID: Hi, When people email my list to subscribe they get this message Your mail to 'List' with the subject subscribe Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. I have checked my setting under privacy and subscription rules and the setting is set to confirm and not require approval or confirm and approve. Have I missed a setting. How I can I make it so users only have to confirm their subscription? Any help most welcome. Mailman is running under Mac os 10.3.2 Best wishes Michael From admin2 at enabled.com Wed Jan 14 18:41:07 2004 From: admin2 at enabled.com (Noah) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:41:07 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1.4 - warning: modified (chunk-) pointer Message-ID: <20040114174006.M79452@enabled.com> just upgraded to mailman-2.1.4 and python 2.2.3 any clue why the disable cronjob is complaining like this. /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer From ohaleck at rudynet.pl Wed Jan 14 18:48:39 2004 From: ohaleck at rudynet.pl (Maciej Ochalek) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:48:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maillist server saving and replacing attachments with links? Maillist server saving and replacing attachments with links? How to make Mailman replace attachments with links? Message-ID: <157065531.20040114184839@rudynet.pl> Hi all, I've just switched from Listar to Mailman. The only feature I liked with Listar was saving mail attachments on server and replacing them with links to the saved files. Is it possible to do similar thing with Mailman? Even if I could strip attachments from posts sent to subscribers but leave them in the archive, it would be great. Thanks for your help! Maciek From paul.williams at uwex.edu Wed Jan 14 19:22:37 2004 From: paul.williams at uwex.edu (Paul F. Williams) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:22:37 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some archived mesages don't display properly Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040114115849.00ae55f8@imap.uwex.edu> I still am experiencing problems (at least it appears to be a problem) with the archiving of email messages to lists. We are running mailman-2.1.1-4 on redhat 9 with all the latest updates. The problem occurs when some subscribers send certain mime encoded messages to a list. When the email gets delivered to a subscriber via the list it looks fine. But when it gets archived, the main body of the message is not displayed. If you actually take a look at the list.mbox/list.mbox file the body of the message is there, it just doesn't display. One sample message has the following content lines Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C3D60B.53FADE40"; type="multipart/alternative" .... This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C3D60B.53FADE40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D60B.53FADE40 Content-Type: text/plain The message that does not appear in the archive is listed here. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D60B.53FADE40 Content-Type: text/html This section now contains the formatted message but it also does not appear in the archive. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3D60B.53FADE40-- ------_=_NextPart_000_01C3D60B.53FADE40 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="mb1.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mb1.jpg" Content-ID: <111570316 at 08012004-2C25> encoded file here ... ------_=_NextPart_000_01C3D60B.53FADE40-- This last part has a link to the jpp file and when you click on the link the jpeg is displayed. ================================== So is there something wrong with the archiver program. Or is there something I can be doing. I have experimented with Eudora 5.2 in sending messages to our lists. When you send messages you can select "Plain", "Styled", or "Plain and Styled". We also get a log of email sent from Microsoft mailers which may have different Content-Type headers. Each one seems to be archived differently. So far I have not been able to identify what is really going on. I have mentioned to the listowner who brought this to my attention, that the best I could do for now is to tell the members not to send mime encoded messages. By the way, attachments seem to work correctly. I welcome anyone's assistance. paulw From atrick at prin.edu Wed Jan 14 19:34:57 2004 From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:34:57 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where to find features in new version? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040114123342.022fceb8@mail.prin.edu> We just upgraded MM from 2.1.3 to 2.1.4. How can I find out what is different between those two versions? The CVS online doesn't list these versions, just alphas and betas... Thanks, Allan From ismgr at atchisonkansas.net Wed Jan 14 19:58:03 2004 From: ismgr at atchisonkansas.net (Chris Wagner) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:58:03 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman..... Message-ID: <4005913B.3080001@atchisonkansas.net> Yellow Dog Linux 3.0 Postfix 1.1.11 Mailman 2.0.13 I'm experiencing some oddities with Mailman on our setup. I am new to Mailman, so the configuration we have setup is very simple with few variations. I can create new lists with the newlist list_name command and mailman walks me through the setup and spits out the stuff for /etc/aliases, which I drop into /etc/postfix/aliases. Postfix on this machine is accepting mail for our local domain (atchisonkansas.net) and passing on mail to external domains with no issues as fas as I know..... We're running named on this setup and resolving mail.atchisonkansas.net and www.atchisonkansas.net to this machine as well, and when I setup the new lists, the only thing I really have done is to set the type of list to member_posting_only and add the users in the web interface. When I send a test message to the mailbox associated with list, I can see the postfix transaction (following with tail -f /var/log/maillog in a shell) and postfix seems to accept the mail, but then the mail never is passed on..... That said, where does Mailman fit in all this and how can I troubleshoot this problem? I've checked in /var/log/mailman/error and there was nothing in there that indicated any problem with mail transport.... Any ideas are very much appreciated..... Thanks! Chris From mailman at bronson.de Wed Jan 14 20:51:41 2004 From: mailman at bronson.de (Nik Engel) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:51:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Undeliverable Mail Message-ID: <20040114195141.GD14209@prometheus.int.netways.de> Hi ! I made an error when I subscribed one user and used a wrong tld. Unfortunatly this mail is put into my mailsystem again and again since days. Always with the same result; unknown domain... I am using postfix and the debian installtion of mailman: mailman: Installed: 2.0.11-1woody5 Candidate: 2.0.11-1woody5 Version Table: *** 2.0.11-1woody5 0 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org stable/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 2.0.11-1woody4 0 500 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages postfix: postfix: Installed: 2.0.16-3.backports.org.1 Candidate: 2.0.16-3.backports.org.1 Version Table: *** 2.0.16-3.backports.org.1 0 500 http://www.backports.org stable/postfix Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 1.1.11-0.woody3 0 500 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org stable/main Packages Any ideas how I can delete or stop this ? the mail is not stuck in the mailq; that means it is coming from mailman again and again; is there a queue too ? nik From andyk at spunge.org Wed Jan 14 00:16:28 2004 From: andyk at spunge.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:16:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allow list-owners to edit archives. Message-ID: <40048A5C.21407.28C47B4@localhost> Hi! IMHO it should be allowed to edit archives (i.e. mbox) by list-owners. List-owners should be able to correct bad dates, remove spam, viruses etc., and not to beg admins every time to do that. Regards Andy From andyk at spunge.org Wed Jan 14 01:02:49 2004 From: andyk at spunge.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:02:49 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 4 things: conjugation with usenet, archivisation by arriving date, statistics, and link to the archives i In-Reply-To: <001801c3da27$9ee519a0$0300000a@sagea> Message-ID: <40049539.10494.2B6B72D@localhost> > Hello: I have followed Mailman for a year+ and have yet to reach a point > to replace my combo of majordomo and Mhonarc. Finally, a week ago I > installed the latest version of MM and was quite surprised with how > smoothly it went. I thought, NOW is the time to switch over -- that is, > until I saw the flaw now being discussed about the bad dates in the > archives as shown by MM's own archives. I think that at least there should be introduced possibility to edit archives by list-owners. They can't do it now, if they are not admins... :( Regards Andy From andyk at spunge.org Wed Jan 14 15:25:44 2004 From: andyk at spunge.org (Andrzej Kasperowicz) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:25:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Link to main archive web page. In-Reply-To: References: <4003242A.14419.25A3206@localhost> Message-ID: <40055F78.12607.958851@localhost> > One of my list owners pointed that out too. People might arrive in the > middle of the archives via Google and not be able to quickly find their > way to the rest of the archives. Here's the change I made to 2.1.1, > though I did have to rebuild my archives afterwards to insert the links > on existing archive pages: Will it be added to the next issue of mailman? Barry? Regards ak From cistrain at u.washington.edu Wed Jan 14 20:28:08 2004 From: cistrain at u.washington.edu (CIS Training) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:28:08 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscription feature on Mailman Message-ID: <004501c3dad4$8a3cfb00$665b5f80@amc.uwmedicine.org> Is there an easy way to add email addresses WITH the name of the person in the Mass Subscriptions feature in Membership management? Joseph Lerner Program Assistant CIS/ORCA - Patient Care Services Box 354700 Phone: 598-7372 From henklok at home.nl Tue Jan 13 23:54:46 2004 From: henklok at home.nl ( H e n k L o k) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:54:46 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Crack of a mailin list Message-ID: Hello mister Carnes, Y would like to have the password of a man. He's having a website.. http://webmail.uniserver.nl/squirrelmail/src/login.php this is the way i think to get in. Do you know a way to crack his password? Greating, Henk Holland From jlerner at u.washington.edu Wed Jan 14 20:29:58 2004 From: jlerner at u.washington.edu (Joseph Lerner) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:29:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscription feature in Mailman Message-ID: <004e01c3dad4$cbb7fb20$665b5f80@amc.uwmedicine.org> Is there an easy way to add an email address AND the name of the person when adding them via Mass Subscription in Membership Management? Thanks. Joseph Lerner Program Assistant CIS/ORCA - Patient Care Services Box 354700 Phone: 598-7372 From lee.elson at jpl.nasa.gov Tue Jan 13 22:30:02 2004 From: lee.elson at jpl.nasa.gov (Lee Elson) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:30:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with moderator option Message-ID: <4004635A.3050900@jpl.nasa.gov> My system was recently upgraded (to 2.1.1) and I soon found that a list that had the moderation flag on was allowing posts that are unmoderated. Further experimentation (with a test list) showed that the moderation settings had no affect *unless* I turned on emergency moderation. In this case, posts did not go through, but the list moderator was never notified. There are no errors in the logs, as far as I can tell. Any idea what is wrong? TIA, Lee Elson Lee.Elson at jpl.nasa.gov From mandi.kosbab at madelia.k12.mn.us Wed Jan 14 19:55:16 2004 From: mandi.kosbab at madelia.k12.mn.us (Mandi Kosbab) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:55:16 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing lists Message-ID: I have created some mailing list on an OS 10.3 mail server. I don't want to have to approve anything nor do I want anyone else emailing to the list to have to get the messages approved. What should I do? Mandi Kosbab Madelia High School From emechler at techometer.net Wed Jan 14 21:25:16 2004 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:25:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscription feature in Mailman In-Reply-To: <004e01c3dad4$cbb7fb20$665b5f80@amc.uwmedicine.org> References: <004e01c3dad4$cbb7fb20$665b5f80@amc.uwmedicine.org> Message-ID: <20040114202516.GG1814@techometer.net> (got the message the first time, no need to re-send) :: Is there an easy way to add an email address AND the name of the person :: when adding them via Mass Subscription in Membership Management? Sure, add the new users like this: Joseph Lerner Cheers - Erick From gupi at informatia.ro Wed Jan 14 22:47:48 2004 From: gupi at informatia.ro (Stefaniu Criste) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:47:48 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installed OK, cannot create lists Message-ID: <1074116868.7987.31.camel@home.hangar.ro> Hi there! I've just installed Mailman 2.1.4 on a RedHat9 box, and all went OK. The only particularity is that I've installed the software in /var/mailman instead of default location. Well, after setting all the parameters, onto the web interface, when I've tried to setup a test list, I've got the following: -8<--------------------------------------------------- Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 226, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create _update_maps() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /var/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) -8<--------------------------------------------------- Now, the aliases files permissions are: -rw-rw---- 1 root mailman 2474 Jan 14 23:32 aliases -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 12288 Jan 12 01:36 aliases.db /var/mailman/data/aliases file is modified, but /var/mailman/data/aliases.db is not Also, I do not get the notification email and I cannot (obviously) login into the admin panel ot the list. I'm sure is something pretty simple, but I cannot see the solution. Please advice -- Stefaniu Criste Amos News From gupi at informatia.ro Wed Jan 14 23:06:28 2004 From: gupi at informatia.ro (Stefaniu Criste) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:06:28 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installed OK, cannot create lists - End of Thread In-Reply-To: <200401141356.11084.rlfrank@paradigm-omega.com> References: <1074116868.7987.31.camel@home.hangar.ro> <200401141356.11084.rlfrank@paradigm-omega.com> Message-ID: <1074117988.9499.2.camel@home.hangar.ro> Me stuuupid! (well, also need some sleep) I'm extremly embarassed, since I've READ the FAQ, but I've missed to triple check the aliases.db file :) Even When I was asking for help I was sure the file is writable :)) Thanks a lot to you all. -- Stefaniu Criste Amos News From atrick at prin.edu Wed Jan 14 23:44:53 2004 From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:44:53 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privacy options question Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040114163641.022bad48@mail.prin.edu> I've got some users who are non-moderated members of lists that are part of an umbrella list. They can post to their own list, but when they try to post to the umbrella list, their message goes in the holding bin waiting approval. Since these people aren't technically members of the umbrella list, just the lists contained in it, do I need to add them to be automatically accepted in non-member filters under Privacy Options? Allan From paul at thcwd.com Thu Jan 15 02:13:09 2004 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:13:09 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: 4 things: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040114190911.08db55e8@mail.thcwd.com> I wrote: > > Ultimately a bad guess would be better than something a decade > > or two in the future. Go check out > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/ and see how things > > like April 2024 and December 2006 make a mess. and Brad Knowles responded: > You're always free to install Mhonarc, if you prefer. If it really bothered me I'd do something about it - I just think it's something to consider tweaking in a future release. I assume this issue also affects posts sent to list members? If I have my computer set to 1974 do my posts come through with this date and get lost by folks who sort by date? <>< Paul From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jan 15 02:27:15 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 02:27:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: 4 things: In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040114190911.08db55e8@mail.thcwd.com> References: <6.0.1.1.0.20040114190911.08db55e8@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: At 7:13 PM -0600 2004/01/14, Paul H Byerly wrote: > and Brad Knowles responded: >> You're always free to install Mhonarc, if you prefer. > > If it really bothered me I'd do something about it - I just think > it's something to consider tweaking in a future release. It may be more difficult to fix this than you think. > I assume this > issue also affects posts sent to list members? It affects any e-mail sent with an incorrect "Date:" header, regardless of who the recipients are. > If I have my computer > set to 1974 do my posts come through with this date and get lost by > folks who sort by date? Most likely. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From lists at lastonepicked.com Thu Jan 15 02:29:35 2004 From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:29:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Mailman Up and Running - Running in Circles? Message-ID: I am new to mailman. I installed mailman-2.1.1-2 from some RPMs on my RedHat 7.2 system. We're running sendmail. I got the software installed, ran check_perms, started the daemon and created the mailman list. I think I know just enough to get myself into trouble... I've scanned the archives for the last hour or so and learned a few things, but I'm still having trouble. Basically, I seem to be getting mail looped back. I get a few messages each time I check my mail: 1. From: mailman-owner at myhost.com To: mailman-owner at myhost.com Subject: Mailman post from root at hostname.myhost.com requires approval Body: As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: Mailman at hostname.myhost.com From: root at hostname.myhost.com Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: http://host/mailman/admindb/mailman to approve or deny the request. ----------------------------------- From: root at hostname.myhost.com (Cron Daemon) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:19:01 -0600 To: mailman at hostname.myhost.com Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 82, in ? import paths File "/var/mailman/cron/paths.py", line 60, in ? import korean.aliases File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/korean/aliases.py", line 23, in ? import encodings.aliases ImportError: No module named encodings.aliases I get a similar one for a component called 'gate_news'. Is this some error that is being sent to the list instead of some other output? I feel like I am close to getting this all set, but I've been fiddling with this for awhile without any luck. I don't seem to have that file: [root at host bin]# locate encodings.aliases [root at host bin]# If someone has some advice, I would really appreciate it. Thanks, Hunter From sdsheeks at thebbgn.net Thu Jan 15 03:12:37 2004 From: sdsheeks at thebbgn.net (S. David Sheeks) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:12:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040114163641.022bad48@mail.prin.edu> Message-ID: Is it possible to turn on a feature that allows someone to email mylist at mysite.com with a subject of subscribe and have it act on it? Dave From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Thu Jan 15 05:03:24 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:03:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installed OK, cannot create lists In-Reply-To: <200401141356.11084.rlfrank@paradigm-omega.com> References: <1074116868.7987.31.camel@home.hangar.ro> <200401141356.11084.rlfrank@paradigm-omega.com> Message-ID: <20040115040324.GA1581@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Robin Lynn Frank wrote: > Someone chided me for not looking at the faq, try: > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp > > That said, why can't this be fixed so it isn't encoubtered at all? It would be nice if README.POSTFIX mentioned that it's important for the aliases.db file to be group writable and if check_perms would catch it if it wasn't. Attached is a patch that makes both of these changes. It showcases my absurd copy and paste abilities with python. Perhaps Barry or someone else that actually knows what they're doing can clean it up if need be and apply it. The patch is made against fresh CVS checkout, it may or may not apply cleanly to 2.1.4, I haven't tried it. -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== We can have justice whenever those who have not been injured by injustice are as outraged by it as those who have been. -- Solon (594 B.C.) -------------- next part -------------- Index: README.POSTFIX =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/mailman/mailman/README.POSTFIX,v retrieving revision 2.17 diff -u -r2.17 README.POSTFIX --- README.POSTFIX 14 Sep 2003 04:58:35 -0000 2.17 +++ README.POSTFIX 15 Jan 2004 04:02:23 -0000 @@ -76,11 +76,12 @@ % bin/genaliases Make sure that the owner of the data/aliases and data/aliases.db - file is `mailman' and that the group owner for those files is - `mailman'. E.g.: + file is `mailman', that the group owner for those files is + `mailman', and that both files are group writable. E.g.: % su % chown mailman:mailman data/aliases* + % chmod g+w data/aliases* - Hack your Postfix's main.cf file to include the following path in your alias_maps variable: Index: Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/mailman/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py,v retrieving revision 2.22 diff -u -r2.22 Postfix.py --- Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py 14 Sep 2003 04:41:32 -0000 2.22 +++ Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py 15 Jan 2004 04:02:23 -0000 @@ -339,12 +339,21 @@ owner = pwd.getpwuid(stat[ST_UID])[0] except KeyError: owner = 'uid %d' % stat[ST_UID] - print _('%(dbfile)s owned by %(owner)s (must be owned by %(user)s') + print _('%(dbfile)s owned by %(owner)s (must be owned by %(user)s'), state.ERRORS += 1 if state.FIX: print _('(fixing)') uid = pwd.getpwnam(user)[2] gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] os.chown(dbfile, uid, gid) + else: + print + if stat and (stat[ST_MODE] & targetmode) <> targetmode: + state.ERRORS += 1 + octmode = oct(stat[ST_MODE]) + print _('%(dbfile)s permissions must be 066x (got %(octmode)s)'), + if state.FIX: + print _('(fixing)') + os.chmod(dbfile, stat[ST_MODE] | targetmode) else: print -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 254 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040114/e2e29796/attachment.pgp From t2 at one4all.se Thu Jan 15 13:30:40 2004 From: t2 at one4all.se (t2) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:30:40 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] language problems Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm new to this list, but I got some serious problems with setting up a Mailman list. Since its a swedish list and the language spoken will mainly be in swedish, then I will write several messages in swedish, which also includes the prefix of the subject. Swedish language has some non-US charactes that starts to give me the problems. If I set the prefered language of the list to english (because I prefer the webpage to be in english) then everything works fine except that swedish chars are displayed in HTML encoded format when its written on the web-admin. If I switch the prefered language to Swedish, everything is displaied ok, except that the subject line is truncated(or split into two lines) when the prefix containts swedish chars. Anyone who can help me around this problems? Many thanks in advance. //Dregan From sean at sweetbourbon.com Thu Jan 15 14:03:15 2004 From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:03:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] base url Message-ID: Hi, I'm running Mailman 2.1.3, upgraded from 2.6, on FreeBSD 4.6, Apache/1.3.27. I see that the base url(web_page_url) option is no longer used in this version. I've setup CNAME records for some of the lists on our Mailman server so that the list interfaces could be accessed by the domain of the list rather than the domain of the server: http://mylist.mydomain/mailman/listinfo/mylist rather than: http://mailmanserverdomain/mailman/listinfo/mylist When you visited the list pages in the admin section of the user section the links in the pages would be of the format http://mylist.mydomain/mailman/listinfo/mylist but this isn't so in verion 2.1. The links revert back to http://mailmanserverdomain/mailman/listinfo/mylist. For the admin section this requires another login. Is there any way to work around this so that the links are generated with the old behavior? Thanks, Sean From craig1972 at x-mail.net Thu Jan 15 14:18:39 2004 From: craig1972 at x-mail.net (Craig Matthews Inc.) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:18:39 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman data variables to include in posts/emails? Message-ID: <1074172719.4006932f9ca6a@x-mail.net> Hi, I am looking for all the data variables that are available with mailman. I don???t administer the mailman, my host does, I am on a shared server. Here is what works in the footer currently: %(host_name)s I want the following to work too: - The current user who is getting the email -- " %(user_delivered_to)s " ? - A count of current subscribers What should I do, or ask my ISP host to help me do? Thanks! CM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***Protect your PC from local E-Mail Application security holes*** ***Maintain your Privacy - MS Passport Free*** ***Anti SPAM "Whitelist" feature*** http://www.x-mail.net Web E-Mail, accessible anywhere, 128 bit SSL Secure Voice Messages, Voice Calls (VoIP), Video Conferencing, Live Chat, X-Mail Messenger, Personal Web Hosting, Private Disk Storage, Calendar, Bookmarks, Forwarding, Virtual Mail Map Aliasing X-Mail Premium: 20 - 250MB Storage, 20MB Messages, SMTP, POP3, Ad Free Starting at $9.95 per year ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anonymous Web Surfing http://www.snoopblocker.com Search http://www.teradex.com From edc at proadmin.com Thu Jan 15 16:35:20 2004 From: edc at proadmin.com (Eric D. Christensen) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:35:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] header_filter_rules processing order? Message-ID: <1074180919.9831.8.camel@o3> My MTA is configured run messages through Spamassassin and tag messages above a certain threshold with an "X-Spam: YES" header. I've added that header line (excatly as type between the quotes above" to the header_filter_rules to discard, but it doesn't seem to trigger. Spam tagged messages still end up held as "Post by non-member to a members-only list". Using 2.1.4 of course... Perhaps I'm missing something obvious here, but shouldn't the header_filter_rules be enforced first in the chain? -- Eric D. Christensen Proadmin, Inc. From admin2 at enabled.com Thu Jan 15 17:45:14 2004 From: admin2 at enabled.com (Noah) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:45:14 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1.4 - gate_news complains Message-ID: <20040115164514.M72053@enabled.com> any clue why I am seeing the following complaint from gate_news ? did I misconfigure somewhere along the line? Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news --- snip --- python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer --- snip --- - Noah From admin2 at enabled.com Thu Jan 15 17:45:07 2004 From: admin2 at enabled.com (Noah) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:45:07 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1.4 - warning: modified (chunk-) pointer Message-ID: <20040115164507.M12601@enabled.com> just upgraded to mailman-2.1.4 and python 2.2.3 any clue why the disable cronjob is complaining like this. /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer python in free(): warning: modified (chunk-) pointer From admin2 at enabled.com Thu Jan 15 17:49:23 2004 From: admin2 at enabled.com (Noah) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:49:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1.4 - sendmail taking time delivering mail Message-ID: <20040115164520.M59504@enabled.com> freebsd 4.8 STABLE mailman-2.1.4 python-2.2.3 port revision 3 okay I just upgraded to mailman-2.1.4 and now it is taking minutes to send out 135 messages. It appears to be getting hung when a username is not found or some other error. this never happened with mailman-2.1.1 - what can I do to configure it so all the messages go out at once. looks like something changed on the code end but nothing changed in my configuration. from ~mailman/logs/smtp Jan 15 08:38:37 2004 (46766) <20040115163323.M47839 at removed-domain.com> smtp for 135 recips, completed in 267.815 seconds Jan 15 08:43:58 2004 (46766) <20040115163617.M96547 at removed-domain.com> smtp for 135 recips, completed in 320.760 seconds these process used to take about 10-13 seconds. nothing shows up in the error logs. any clues please? - Noah From mark at pdc-racing.net Thu Jan 15 18:00:31 2004 From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:00:31 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1.4 - sendmail taking time delivering mail In-Reply-To: <20040115164520.M59504@enabled.com> References: <20040115164520.M59504@enabled.com> Message-ID: <53ED6330-477C-11D8-9B9A-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net> On Jan 15, 2004, at 8:49 AM, Noah wrote: > okay I just upgraded to mailman-2.1.4 and now it is taking minutes to > send out > 135 messages. It appears to be getting hung when a username is not > found or > some other error. this never happened with mailman-2.1.1 - what can I > do to > configure it so all the messages go out at once. looks like something > changed > on the code end but nothing changed in my configuration. > > from ~mailman/logs/smtp > > Jan 15 08:38:37 2004 (46766) > <20040115163323.M47839 at removed-domain.com> smtp > for 135 recips, completed in 267.815 seconds > Jan 15 08:43:58 2004 (46766) > <20040115163617.M96547 at removed-domain.com> smtp > for 135 recips, completed in 320.760 seconds > > these process used to take about 10-13 seconds. > > nothing shows up in the error logs. any clues please? I had this problem with 2.1.3 and it appears fixed in 2.1.4. I'm sending 154 messages in ~5 seconds now. - Mark ----- mark at pdc-racing.net From mailman at halcrow.us Thu Jan 15 18:19:58 2004 From: mailman at halcrow.us (Michael Halcrow) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:19:58 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] GnuPG Integration? Message-ID: <20040115171958.GA2063@halcrow.us> Hi. My team would like to run a mailing list with another team external to the company, but verything needs to be GnuPG encrypted. Those who post to the mailing list must encrypt it with the mailing list account's public key, and every message that the mailing list application sends out must be encrypted with the public key of each recipient. In addition, the archives must be accessable only to those who have authenticated, and the archives can only be transmitted via SSL. Furthermore, the mailing list application can never send a password in the clear; when a recipient signs up for a mailing list, he must also provide his public key as an attachment, and the list administrator must give his explicit approval for the new member to be added to the list. Does mailman support this functionality, or does it plan to in the future? Thanks, Mike .___________________________________________________________________. Michael A. Halcrow Security Software Engineer, IBM Linux Technology Center GnuPG Fingerprint: 05B5 08A8 713A 64C1 D35D 2371 2D3C FDDA 3EB6 601D Give a man a fire, he will be warm for the evening. Set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040115/ad826b10/attachment.pgp From admin2 at enabled.com Thu Jan 15 18:41:06 2004 From: admin2 at enabled.com (Noah) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:41:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1.4 - sendmail taking time delivering mail In-Reply-To: <53ED6330-477C-11D8-9B9A-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net> References: <20040115164520.M59504@enabled.com> <53ED6330-477C-11D8-9B9A-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net> Message-ID: <20040115173945.M91328@enabled.com> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:00:31 -0800, Mark Dadgar wrote > On Jan 15, 2004, at 8:49 AM, Noah wrote: > > okay I just upgraded to mailman-2.1.4 and now it is taking minutes to > > send out > > 135 messages. It appears to be getting hung when a username is not > > found or > > some other error. this never happened with mailman-2.1.1 - what can I > > do to > > configure it so all the messages go out at once. looks like something > > changed > > on the code end but nothing changed in my configuration. > > > > from ~mailman/logs/smtp > > > > Jan 15 08:38:37 2004 (46766) > > <20040115163323.M47839 at removed-domain.com> smtp > > for 135 recips, completed in 267.815 seconds > > Jan 15 08:43:58 2004 (46766) > > <20040115163617.M96547 at removed-domain.com> smtp > > for 135 recips, completed in 320.760 seconds > > > > these process used to take about 10-13 seconds. > > > > nothing shows up in the error logs. any clues please? > > I had this problem with 2.1.3 and it appears fixed in 2.1.4. I'm > sending 154 messages in ~5 seconds now. I made the following changes to ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1 SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/sbin/sendmail' QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(0) things are really happy now. any other tweaking recommendations please? - Noah > > - Mark > ----- > mark at pdc-racing.net > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: admin2 at enabled.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/admin2%40enabled.com From admin2 at enabled.com Thu Jan 15 18:49:44 2004 From: admin2 at enabled.com (Noah) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:49:44 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1.4 - sendmail taking time delivering mail In-Reply-To: <53ED6330-477C-11D8-9B9A-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net> References: <20040115164520.M59504@enabled.com> <53ED6330-477C-11D8-9B9A-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net> Message-ID: <20040115174944.M42370@enabled.com> > > > > these process used to take about 10-13 seconds. > > > > nothing shows up in the error logs. any clues please? > > I had this problem with 2.1.3 and it appears fixed in 2.1.4. I'm > sending 154 messages in ~5 seconds now. QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(0) okay keep as QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1) the CPU gets a little high :) last post for the day. thanks - Noah > > - Mark > ----- > mark at pdc-racing.net > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: admin2 at enabled.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/admin2%40enabled.com From atrick at prin.edu Thu Jan 15 18:53:00 2004 From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:53:00 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notifications not coming thru Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040115115143.0248a6e0@mail.prin.edu> admin_notify_mchanges is set to "yes" on our lists (MM 2.1.4), but admins aren't getting the email notifications. What might be preventing those messages from being received? Thanks, Allan From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Thu Jan 15 19:05:00 2004 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:05:00 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: GnuPG Integration? In-Reply-To: <20040115171958.GA2063@halcrow.us> References: <20040115171958.GA2063@halcrow.us> Message-ID: <20040115180500.GN29520@hq.newdream.net> On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 11:19:58AM -0600, Michael Halcrow wrote: > Hi. My team would like to run a mailing list with another team > external to the company, but verything needs to be GnuPG encrypted. > Those who post to the mailing list must encrypt it with the mailing > list account's public key, and every message that the mailing list > application sends out must be encrypted with the public key of each > recipient. In addition, the archives must be accessable only to those > who have authenticated, and the archives can only be transmitted via > SSL. Furthermore, the mailing list application can never send a > password in the clear; when a recipient signs up for a mailing list, > he must also provide his public key as an attachment, and the list > administrator must give his explicit approval for the new member to be > added to the list. Does mailman support this functionality, or does > it plan to in the future? As far as I know, there is no support for this in Mailman (that's not an "official" answer, though). Sympa has S/MIME support, and may add PGP support at some point (http://listes.cru.fr/sympa/documentation/article_smime/sympasmime.html) I would also take a look at shibboleth: http://www.interhack.net/pubs/shibboleth/ I'm not totally sure this will do exactly what you want, but it might be worth looking at. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 15 19:12:55 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 15 Jan 2004 13:12:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] GnuPG Integration? In-Reply-To: <20040115171958.GA2063@halcrow.us> References: <20040115171958.GA2063@halcrow.us> Message-ID: <1074190375.2755.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 12:19, Michael Halcrow wrote: > Hi. My team would like to run a mailing list with another team > external to the company, but verything needs to be GnuPG encrypted. > Those who post to the mailing list must encrypt it with the mailing > list account's public key, and every message that the mailing list > application sends out must be encrypted with the public key of each > recipient. In addition, the archives must be accessable only to those > who have authenticated, and the archives can only be transmitted via > SSL. Furthermore, the mailing list application can never send a > password in the clear; when a recipient signs up for a mailing list, > he must also provide his public key as an attachment, and the list > administrator must give his explicit approval for the new member to be > added to the list. Does mailman support this functionality, or does > it plan to in the future? > > Thanks, > Mike > .___________________________________________________________________. > Michael A. Halcrow > Security Software Engineer, IBM Linux Technology Center > GnuPG Fingerprint: 05B5 08A8 713A 64C1 D35D 2371 2D3C FDDA 3EB6 601D > > Give a man a fire, he will be warm for the evening. Set a man on > fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life. Nice sig... Mailman does not generically support what you are looking for - however a couple of years back some folks did patch Mailman to handle secure messages in much the same way as you are describing. Hopefully they are still munging Mailman and will answer your question. As I recall, it wasn't too hard to setup mailman for this kind of functionality. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From afreyvogel at ecmarket.com Thu Jan 15 19:43:07 2004 From: afreyvogel at ecmarket.com (Andreas Freyvogel) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:43:07 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notifications not coming thru In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040115115143.0248a6e0@mail.prin.edu> Message-ID: I had a similar problem, but the problem was in the email it was sending to. In other words, make sure that the email of say, announce-admin at whatever.com exists or at least is going to an actual email. cheers, -Andreas -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+afreyvogel=ecmarket.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+afreyvogel=ecmarket.com at python.org]On Behalf Of Allan Trick Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:53 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notifications not coming thru admin_notify_mchanges is set to "yes" on our lists (MM 2.1.4), but admins aren't getting the email notifications. What might be preventing those messages from being received? Thanks, Allan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: afreyvogel at ecmarket.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/afreyvogel%40ecmarket.c om From santiago at uajms.edu.bo Thu Jan 15 20:14:44 2004 From: santiago at uajms.edu.bo (Santiago Mamani T.) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:14:44 -0400 (BOT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not send messages Message-ID: <2145.200.87.27.233.1074194084.squirrel@webmail.uajms.edu.bo> Hello: I have installed mailman that it uses exim as MTA in debian. When I want to confirm a subscription, this it gives back a message like this. I cannot either send messages to the list. ********************************************** ** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY ** ** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE ** ********************************************** The original message was received at Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:39:00 -0400 from localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... Deferred: Connection refused by debian.uajms.edu.bo. Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours Will keep trying until message is 5 days old Help my, please. Santiago From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Thu Jan 15 21:44:17 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:44:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: 4 things: References: <6.0.1.1.0.20040114190911.08db55e8@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: Paul H Byerly schrieb: > If I have my computer set > to 1974 do my posts come through with this date and get lost by folks who > sort by date? Of course. From paux at paukner.cc Fri Jan 16 10:28:07 2004 From: paux at paukner.cc (Stephan Paukner) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:28:07 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list Message-ID: <3308.213.164.18.61.1074245287.squirrel@mail.paukner.cc> Hi! I try to set up different Mailinglists for different Domains on one machine. Unfortunately, the links to the archives always lead to the DEFAULT_URL_HOST, and not to the host the list should appear to be from. Here, the link back to the listinfo page stays on the DEFAULT_URL_HOST, where the wrong Mailinglists are displayed. So DEFAULT_URL_HOST is a global option. Is there a possibility to set it per Mailinglist? TIA Regards -- Stephan Paukner GnuPG public key ID: 0xAC6B7700 Jabber ID: paux at cargal.org From atrick at prin.edu Fri Jan 16 15:23:53 2004 From: atrick at prin.edu (Allan Trick) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:23:53 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Notifications not coming thru In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040116082112.034a1008@mail.prin.edu> Yesterday I wrote: >admin_notify_mchanges is set to "yes" on our lists (MM 2.1.4), but admins >aren't getting the email notifications. > >What might be preventing those messages from being received? For the record, I'll answer my own question! qrunner wasn't running... We used the rc script (via "service mailman start") which calls mailmanctl. Thought it might help someone else with a similar concern later on to have the solution documented here. :-) Allan From affectionz at msn.com Fri Jan 16 15:38:14 2004 From: affectionz at msn.com (Green tea) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:38:14 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error message Message-ID: hie...whenever i make any changes in the mailing list options i get this message: Error: real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name by case only. Kindly let me know the fix to it..thank you _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Jan 16 15:50:53 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:50:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040116145053.GJ1581@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Green tea wrote: > hie...whenever i make any changes in the mailing list options i get > this message: > > > Error: real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the > list's name by case only. > > Kindly let me know the fix to it..thank you This error is caused by the folks at cPanel mucking up the Mailman source. Complain to your provider, it's not a mailman issue. And try asking them for the source of the changes they make, as required under the GPL. It's fun to get ignored by them. Tells you a lot about cPanel's commitment to giving something back for all the free software they use. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular. -- Adlai Stevenson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFAB/pNuv+09NZUB1oRAhakAKCXpeZCI8ZeS0FsI6/lR1QyO5qhfwCg68gX gXPuYq8crQN/kJ4sY/Ub5og= =2es/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From james at che.utexas.edu Fri Jan 16 15:56:20 2004 From: james at che.utexas.edu (James Hammett) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:56:20 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically discarding messages with too many recipients? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is the above possible? It appears to only allow changes in the threshold value it uses to flag the message, not the action. (Throw it away instead of flagging it). thanks, James -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Hammett Users Services / Server and Lab Administration (SLAM) Information Technology Services ( (ITS) CPE 4.442 Chemical Engineering Unix Support 471-9701 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere - MLK jr. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Jan 16 16:19:59 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:19:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040116151959.GK1581@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Green tea wrote: > Firstly thanks a lot fr getting bak this quik...appreciate this Sure, no problem. Please reply to the list so that others may benefit from the discussion and offer help as well. > secondly...shud i compain this to my internet provider or hosting > provider and i wasnt getting this earlier its juts a couple of days > tht i m geting this so is thr any option i can fix this myself > instead of askin fr any help frm them as i know tht wun do much fr > me but just waiting...thank you again... Yes, complain to your hosting company. They must have done some upgrades to the mailman package from cPanel recently. I do know that there is a fix from cPanel for this, but I know nothing about what needs done to get it. I have tried many times to contact cPanel and request that they provide a link to their version of mailman so that we could look over the changes they've made. They have ignored me and brushed off my requests. They are not being good folks here. They are using GPL'd software and that license requires them to provide the source code changes they make back to the rest of us so we may see and possibly benefit from their modifications. I recently setup a test box where I did a basic cPanel install and diffed things. I have to get around to looking at the diff and posting it someplace so that others can have a good look at what they've changed. Other responsibilities have kept me from getting around to that though. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Why does a slight tax increase cost you two hundred dollars and a substantial tax cut save you thirty cents? -- Peg Bracken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFACAEfuv+09NZUB1oRAlVCAKCcFmNbDKLlU3nBG9EWjcPY2i1LbQCg4yQY 703pPyLaDzQxJVgwSoCJmO4= =L18C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ldpahdoco at hotmail.com Fri Jan 16 16:33:39 2004 From: ldpahdoco at hotmail.com (Linda Pahdoco) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:33:39 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list Message-ID: When you create the list, create it as "listname at preferredhost.tld" instead of just as "listname". You can use withlist fix_url to update the existing lists if you have access to the shell on the list server. If you don't, ask your hosting company to fix it for you. _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 From jsmith at smittybuilt.com Fri Jan 16 18:07:18 2004 From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:07:18 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderating Users Message-ID: Hello all, I am running fbsd 5.1 with Mailman 2.1.3 and Sendmail I have the list up and running but I obviously made an error with not setting the new memebers to be moderated in the Defaults.py prior to creating the list. I do not see in the web interface where this is an option. Since this is an announce only list I don't want ppl to be able to subscribe and then send to the list. Maybe I am missing this or maybe there is a file I can set this in to apply only to this list? Any help in pulling my head out would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Joe From jsingh at fdu.edu Fri Jan 16 18:19:01 2004 From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:19:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] which version Message-ID: <007401c3dc54$d90fa2b0$570bee84@FDUJACK> Hello everyone I am about to install mailman on my sun box and wanted to know which mailman you guys recommended 2.1.13 or 2.1.14 ? thanks Jaskaran Singh University Systems & Security Fairleigh Dickinson University 1000 River Road, Mail Stop TBH1-01 Teaneck, NJ 07666 From mailman at bubblybabs.com Fri Jan 16 20:16:52 2004 From: mailman at bubblybabs.com (BubblyBabs Mailman-Users ML) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:16:52 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] receive notices when users change their email addy? References: <007401c3dc54$d90fa2b0$570bee84@FDUJACK> Message-ID: <026901c3dc65$766c9120$0100a8c0@home> I receive notification when a user subs and unsubs but I'd like to know when someone changes their email addy as well. Is there a way to do that? Thanks, Babs From cwieland at uci.edu Fri Jan 16 21:35:01 2004 From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:35:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM archives Message-ID: <75206D4A-4863-11D8-BB72-000393012174@uci.edu> Hello I know I can remove a list without removing the archive but after I do this is there anyway to continue to be able to access it via MM? Thanks Con Wieland UC Irivne From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Jan 16 21:45:16 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:45:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] base url In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040116204516.GR1581@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sean wrote: > I'm running Mailman 2.1.3, upgraded from 2.6, on FreeBSD 4.6, > Apache/1.3.27. > > I see that the base url(web_page_url) option is no longer used in > this version. Right, it was removed to make it harder for list admins to break things I believe. > When you visited the list pages in the admin section of the user > section the links in the pages would be of the format > http://mylist.mydomain/mailman/listinfo/mylist but this isn't so in > verion 2.1. The links revert back to > http://mailmanserverdomain/mailman/listinfo/mylist. For the admin > section this requires another login. > > Is there any way to work around this so that the links are generated with > the old behavior? You can use the fix_url script to set the preferred url for the web interface. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== To urge more gentlemen to go into politics was the same as arguing that the cure for prostitution was to send more virgins into brothels. -- H.L. Mencken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFACE1cuv+09NZUB1oRAgk1AJ0VYLxkinso4HUkAxp7bFiIJj3e1gCghJa2 s9+pO7tw66vVxdl76pBTE2g= =6qx5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From debbie at actormail.com Thu Jan 15 20:31:21 2004 From: debbie at actormail.com (Debbie Corbin) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:31:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Mailinglist Message-ID: Hello, I am the webdesigner for http://www.curve-style.com and we setup a mailinglist in late December 2003. Yesterday, Jan 15th, the moderator uploaded (for the 2nd time) approximately 350 email addresses to the list and for some reason the list went crazy! Sending hundreds of duplicate emails to everybody on the list. I (just now) deleted the list because of the many complaints. We had wanted to setup the list so that the moderator could only SEND messages not allowing group discussion so that the clients (all met in real life) who wanted to be informed about trends in fashion pertaining to the plus-sized market (full figured women's clothing market) could receive ... my question is: was/is it not possible to setup the list so that it would be only sending messages? Also, why were messages being duplicated?? I have many questions about why this didn't work for us and I've reviewed the guide again and again in hopes of finding answers but for now, could you just reply and possibly give me a clue about what could've gone so terribly wrong? thanks Debbie Corbin webmaster at curve-style.com debbie at actormail.com From barbarita_ole at hotmail.com Thu Jan 15 23:41:15 2004 From: barbarita_ole at hotmail.com (Barbara Martinez) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:41:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about errors Message-ID: I recently started my mailing list and have begun using it. But I see that I do not get notified of any email errors, such as spelling mistakes, overlimit usage, etc. I like to keep track of errors in order to fix them. Where are they going? Did I mistakenly select an option that eliminates them? There are SO many options that I lose track! Thanks, Barbara _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From eduguay at puzzlesol.com Fri Jan 16 00:20:14 2004 From: eduguay at puzzlesol.com (Etienne Duguay) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:20:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unable to setgroups( since upgrade to 2.1.4 - erros messages reference Message-ID: <4007202E.4060009@puzzlesol.com> Hi, Since I've upgraded I get this error message, any ideas ? I've doubled check everythings and ran the check_perms script with no error found. Also, where can I find a reference about the error code I get: ie : failed with code -1: ignore ; or error 61 etc. Regards, From ben at goodorient.com.cn Fri Jan 16 17:43:20 2004 From: ben at goodorient.com.cn (Ben) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:43:20 +0800 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Error: Sendmail service not available Message-ID: <535832.1074271400528.JavaMail.postfix@java.sohu.net> System info: Red Hat Linux 7.3 2 on linux-i386 Python 1.5.2 When sending to request to the mailman, it generates the error info in the maillog as following: Jan 16 09:07:00 sls-da1p6 sendmail[31534]: i0GE70L31534: i0GE70M31534: return to sender: Service unavailable Jan 16 09:07:00 sls-da1p6 sendmail[31534]: i0GE70M31534: to=benzhonggo, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=30738, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent Jan 16 09:07:17 sls-da1p6 ipop3d[31539]: pop3 service init from 66.36.226.22 Jan 16 09:07:17 sls-da1p6 ipop3d[31539]: Logout user=??? host=ensim-c2.dca2.superb.net [66.36.226.22] Jan 16 09:08:01 sls-da1p6 sendmail[31545]: i0GE81i31545: from=mailman, size=801, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200401161408.i0GE81i31545 at sls-da1p6.e-que.biz>, relay=mailman at localhost Jan 16 09:08:01 sls-da1p6 virthostmail[31547]: Chrooting to /home/virtual/site1/fst Jan 16 09:08:01 sls-da1p6 sendmail[31549]: i0GE81331549: from=, size=1076, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200401161408.i0GE81i31545 at sls-da1p6.e-que.biz>, proto=ESMTP, relay=root at localhost Jan 16 09:08:01 sls-da1p6 sendmail[31545]: i0GE81i31545: to=goodorient at e-que.biz, ctladdr=mailman (509/509), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=virthostmail, pri=30801, relay=e-que.biz, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (i0GE81331549 Message accepted for delivery) Jan 16 09:08:01 sls-da1p6 smrsh: uid 506: attempt to use mailman_wrapper post goodorient (stat failed) Jan 16 09:08:01 sls-da1p6 sendmail[31550]: i0GE81331549: to="|/etc/smrsh/mailman_wrapper post goodorient", ctladdr= (506/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30538, dsn=5.0.0, stat=Service unavailable Jan 16 09:08:01 sls-da1p6 sendmail[31550]: i0GE81331549: i0GE81331550: DSN: Service unavailable Jan 16 09:08:01 sls-da1p6 smrsh: uid 506: attempt to use mailman_wrapper post goodorient (stat failed) Jan 16 09:08:01 sls-da1p6 sendmail[31550]: i0GE81331550: to="|/etc/smrsh/mailman_wrapper post goodorient", ctladdr=goodorient at e-que.biz (506/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30638, dsn=5.0.0, stat=Service unavailable Jan 16 09:08:01 sls-da1p6 sendmail[31550]: i0GE81331550: i0GE81431550: return to sender: Service unavailable Jan 16 09:08:01 sls-da1p6 sendmail[31550]: i0GE81431550: to=benzhonggo, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=30738, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent --"Jan 16 08:53:01 sls-da1p6 smrsh: uid 506: attempt to use mailman_wrapper post goodorient (stat failed) Jan 16 08:53:01 sls-da1p6 sendmail[31156]: i0GDr1D31156: to="|/etc/smrsh/mailman_wrapper post goodorient", ctladdr=goodorient at e-que.biz (506/0)"-- I notice that the request to sendmail was from user/group (506/0), which in the sendmail.cf, it specifies the default user/group as mail/mail(8/12). I've tried to modify the sendmail.cf file, however, fail to connect the MTA totally. So I am a bit puzzled. How to assign the user and group as 8/12 then? Is it the reason caused the service unavailable? Looking forward to your help. Thanks very much in advance. P.S. During installation, I assigned the --with-mail-gid=12. Ben From ben at goodorient.com.cn Fri Jan 16 17:46:44 2004 From: ben at goodorient.com.cn (Ben) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:46:44 +0800 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Possibility to hook mailman up with lyris mailengine? Message-ID: <6490199.1074271604848.JavaMail.postfix@java.sohu.net> (Python 1.5.2 Red Hat Linux 7.3 2 on linux-i386) We've a lyris mailengine on the server. Does any one know whether it is possible to hook the mailman up to it? How? Thanks in advance Ben From weitz at fas.harvard.edu Fri Jan 16 19:55:56 2004 From: weitz at fas.harvard.edu (Ted I. Weitz MD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:55:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I add a field on Registration? Message-ID: <006201c3dc62$6013c540$b602a8c0@Laptop> Hi, I am interested in adding a field (Member ID ) to the mailman registration page. Can I do it? Couldn't find a way to do it in the documentation. Thanks for an awesome software!!! Thanks a bunch, Ted From eduguay at virtualspaceintl.net Fri Jan 16 21:54:51 2004 From: eduguay at virtualspaceintl.net (Etienne Duguay) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:54:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unable to setgroups( since upgrade to 2.1.4 - erros messages reference Message-ID: <40084F9B.4070607@virtualspaceintl.net> Hi, Since I've upgraded I get this error message, any ideas ? I've doubled check everythings and ran the check_perms script with no error found. Also, where can I find a reference about the error code I get: ie : failed with code -1: ignore ; or error 61 etc. Regards, From skip at pobox.com Fri Jan 16 23:46:48 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:46:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is the "mailman" mailing list used for? Message-ID: <16392.27096.329410.15148@montanaro.dyndns.org> I asked about this a couple days ago, but it was buried in another message, so maybe nobody saw it. Why is the "mailman" mailing list necessary? Pre-2.1, I just had an alias which pointed to me. Now I apparently need a fully functioning Mailman list called "mailman". I read the FAQ at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.025.htp but it doesn't explain why a list (as opposed to a simple alias) is required. -- Skip Montanaro Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/submit.html Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/ skip at pobox.com From listmgr at antennex.com Sat Jan 17 00:28:48 2004 From: listmgr at antennex.com (List Manager) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:28:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list References: Message-ID: <003801c3dc88$811ab520$0300000a@sagea> I found this to be the place to assign the proper hostname in General Options. Is this the same as you refer to...?? It works for me. Sub-section: Host name this list prefers for email. (Details for host_name) Best regards, List Manager listmgr at antennex.com http://www.antennex.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Pahdoco" To: Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:33 AM Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list > When you create the list, create it as "listname at preferredhost.tld" instead > of just as "listname". You can use withlist fix_url to update the existing > lists if you have access to the shell on the list server. If you don't, ask > your hosting company to fix it for you. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed > experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: listmgr at antennex.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/listmgr%40antennex.com > From corky at seevinck.com Sat Jan 17 02:33:43 2004 From: corky at seevinck.com (Corky Seevinck) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:33:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I limit posts? Message-ID: <003c01c3dc99$f1e8aad0$7afddd18@seevinckhome> How do I configure a list so that members can't post. I want only the moderators to be able to post. Thanks From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 17 03:13:24 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 16 Jan 2004 21:13:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderating Users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1074305604.3171.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 12:07, jsmith wrote: > Hello all, > > I am running fbsd 5.1 with Mailman 2.1.3 and Sendmail > > I have the list up and running but I obviously made an error with not > setting the new memebers to be moderated in the Defaults.py prior to > creating the list. I do not see in the web interface where this is an > option. Since this is an announce only list I don't want ppl to be able > to subscribe and then send to the list. > > Maybe I am missing this or maybe there is a file I can set this in to > apply only to this list? > > Any help in pulling my head out would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > Joe > Joe, It's under Membership Management in the Web-Admin. You can now moderate individuals or the whole list - but because it is now a function of the individual members that flag is under Membership Management. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 17 03:27:03 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 16 Jan 2004 21:27:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I add a field on Registration? In-Reply-To: <006201c3dc62$6013c540$b602a8c0@Laptop> References: <006201c3dc62$6013c540$b602a8c0@Laptop> Message-ID: <1074306422.3171.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 13:55, Ted I. Weitz MD wrote: > Hi, > > I am interested in adding a field (Member ID ) to the mailman registration page. Can I do it? Couldn't find a way to do it in the documentation. > > Thanks for an awesome software!!! > > Thanks a bunch, > > Ted Ted, there is no specific way to do this right now - outside of hacking the code. However, since you can add user names with the email address, and user names can be anything you like, feel free to add the Member ID instead of the name - or in addition to the name. user at domain.com As long as you are consistent in how you attach the member number you should be able to use this as a work-around. Otherwise, feel free to dive into the code and add another field. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 17 04:58:55 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 16 Jan 2004 22:58:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM archives In-Reply-To: <75206D4A-4863-11D8-BB72-000393012174@uci.edu> References: <75206D4A-4863-11D8-BB72-000393012174@uci.edu> Message-ID: <1074311935.3171.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 15:35, Con Wieland wrote: > Hello > > I know I can remove a list without removing the archive but after I do > this is there anyway to continue to be able to access it via MM? > > Thanks > Con Wieland > UC Irivne > How about simply deleting all the users from the list and then setting up all external mail to be deleted. That effectively shuts the list down but keeps it listed in Mailman. From ryan at ipa.darktech.org Sat Jan 17 05:00:31 2004 From: ryan at ipa.darktech.org (ryan) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:00:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] images embedded in html: inline vs. attached Message-ID: Hi, I've searched the list archives and google, but can't find an answer to my problem. Hopefully someone on this list can shed some light... A quick background: At the non-profit museum where I work, we use Mailman to inform our paying members (and other general members of the public who signup to our lists) about our current exhibitions and events. We like to use HTML formatted messages with in-body (inline?) images for this purpose. It looks nice, and conforms with the overall look of our website and other publications in print. I realize sending out bulk HTML mailings is probably not the most typical use of Mailman, but it works great for us, and allows people who don't want our emails to quickly remove themselves without requiring our intervention. Here's the problem: Today I sent out 2 test messages to a pre-configured list. For the two tests, the list had only 6 staff members subscribed. The message looked great, everyone saw the content with the image correctly aligned in the body of the message, between the two blocks of text where it belonged. However, after I added the 6700+ actual email addresses to the SAME list, and sent out the SAME email, the image was removed from the body of the message and included as an attachment instead. This essentially made our pretty little email look like crap. This behavior occurred on all the computers of the 6 staff members where I had previously tested, plus on additional accounts that I was able to confirm through phone calls, etc. Again, the same list (same configuration), and the same email were used for the successful test and the unsuccessful real mail-out. So... my only theory is: at some cut-off point, Mailman decides that there are two many users on a list to embed an image in every email. Perhaps the programmers thought it more efficient to store the image once and then reference it as an attachment when each member is emailed? Or could this be some behavior of my mailer daemon, Sendmail? Any thoughts? Thanks, Ryan From jsmith at smittybuilt.com Sat Jan 17 07:09:17 2004 From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:09:17 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderating Users Message-ID: Jon, I understand that the individual user setting for moderation is there in membership management. The problem is that any new user that joins the list isn't moderated by default. The line: Set everyone's moderation bit, including those members not currently visible: No/Yes and the button Set is there. If I click on Yes and select set it moderates every user. But as soon as another user joins the list its not setting them as modrated.. Also, another question, IF I have a user in the moderator section on the general settings, does that overide if that user is also a member and their bit is set to moderated? I was running 2.1.2 on my other server but when I moved it I rebuilt the whole system. Before the rebuild I didn't have this problem. Just trying to get it secure is all. Thanks for the help Joe -----Original Message----- From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 6:13 PM To: jsmith Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderating Users On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 12:07, jsmith wrote: > Hello all, > > I am running fbsd 5.1 with Mailman 2.1.3 and Sendmail > > I have the list up and running but I obviously made an error with not > setting the new memebers to be moderated in the Defaults.py prior to > creating the list. I do not see in the web interface where this is an > option. Since this is an announce only list I don't want ppl to be > able to subscribe and then send to the list. > > Maybe I am missing this or maybe there is a file I can set this in to > apply only to this list? > > Any help in pulling my head out would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > Joe > Joe, It's under Membership Management in the Web-Admin. You can now moderate individuals or the whole list - but because it is now a function of the individual members that flag is under Membership Management. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Sat Jan 17 07:32:03 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 01:32:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderating Users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040117063203.GU1581@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 jsmith wrote: > I understand that the individual user setting for moderation is > there in membership management. The problem is that any new user > that joins the list isn't moderated by default. See the first setting on Privacy options -> Sender filters. It controls whether new members are moderated by default or not. That's probably what you want to set. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. -- Matt Groening -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFACNbjuv+09NZUB1oRAgJZAKCXT3AxZJd6dnp2S3nXz6U5tM6mcwCgs8S/ TekQMp8UZ3jOH7g/1I4OksE= =QtZV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ryan at ipa.darktech.org Sat Jan 17 08:23:53 2004 From: ryan at ipa.darktech.org (ryan) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:23:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] images embedded in html: inline vs. attached In-Reply-To: <2618.68.118.232.31.1074315234.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org> References: <2618.68.118.232.31.1074315234.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org> Message-ID: Hi Jeff, A good point, but that doesn't explain the behavior. Yes, the test message was the *exact* same as the real one. The content was the same, and the filesize was the same. Also, I had already set the max message size to 1024 KB (1 MB), and the messages were only 130 KB. Thanks for the comment though. Any other ideas? -Ryan On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Jeff D wrote: > I think there is a size threshold on messages that if you exceed that > size, you might get this behavior. Look through the settings from > something along the lines of a "max message size". Was your test message > the same as your real one, or was the one to the larger list bigger, i.e. > have more content? > > That is my only theory. Hope that helps. From r at zorbla.de Sat Jan 17 08:47:53 2004 From: r at zorbla.de (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Dirk_F=F6rsterling?=) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 08:47:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4008E8A9.2020203@zorbla.de> Linda Pahdoco wrote: > When you create the list, create it as "listname at preferredhost.tld" > instead of just as "listname". How can this be done with the web interface? I only get a message that a list must not contain a "@". -dirk -- D i r k F "o r s t e r l i n g r at zorbla.de http://r at zorbla.de/ ------------- "If p gleich tail then wird hilf auch auf tail gesetzt." - R.K. From listmgr at antennex.com Sat Jan 17 15:38:14 2004 From: listmgr at antennex.com (List Manager) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 08:38:14 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list References: <4008E8A9.2020203@zorbla.de> Message-ID: <001e01c3dd07$8d464c90$0300000a@sagea> See my message yesterday: In General Options, go down a few more slots to this: -------------------------------------- Host name this list prefers for email. (Details for host_name) -------------------------------------- Best regards, List Manager listmgr at antennex.com http://www.antennex.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dirk F?rsterling" To: "Linda Pahdoco" Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list > Linda Pahdoco wrote: > > When you create the list, create it as "listname at preferredhost.tld" > > instead of just as "listname". > > How can this be done with the web interface? I only get a message that > a list must not contain a "@". > > -dirk > > -- > D i r k F "o r s t e r l i n g > r at zorbla.de http://r at zorbla.de/ > ------------- > "If p gleich tail then wird hilf auch auf tail gesetzt." - R.K. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: listmgr at antennex.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/listmgr%40antennex.com > From slut at scared.todeath.net Sat Jan 17 16:17:19 2004 From: slut at scared.todeath.net (Charlie the Slut) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 10:17:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cc: header Message-ID: <400951FF.6080007@scared.todeath.net> Is there any way to remove the cc: header which contains the list address? I have an announcements-only bulletin list I've set up which is configured to be sent from the admin's e-mail address and I don't want the members confused about the list address. In fact there's no real reason for them to see it as there's no automated sign up nor are member postings allowed. Basically, it's set up so the person running it won't have to use a massive cc: list to send out a weekly announcement. Charles. From r at zorbla.de Sat Jan 17 16:27:01 2004 From: r at zorbla.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dirk_F=F6rsterling?=) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:27:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list In-Reply-To: <001e01c3dd07$8d464c90$0300000a@sagea> References: <4008E8A9.2020203@zorbla.de> <001e01c3dd07$8d464c90$0300000a@sagea> Message-ID: <40095445.8040005@zorbla.de> Unfortunately, this doesn't work, because changing this option doesn't rewrite the postfix virtual maps. They are always created using the DEFAULT_* settings. (See my messages some days ago) With your suggested setting, e-mails to the list would be accepted by mailman, but postfix never forwards them to mailman, because of the initially wrong created virtual definitions. The "Host name this list prefers for email" also cures the problem of the wrong URI used in the web interface in those places where it fell back to the default name. So my question remains unanswered: How to create mailman mailing lists for different virtual domains using mailman and postfix just using the web interface? -dirk List Manager wrote: > See my message yesterday: > > In General Options, go down a few more slots to this: > -------------------------------------- > Host name this list prefers for email. > (Details for host_name) > -------------------------------------- >>Linda Pahdoco wrote: >> >>>When you create the list, create it as "listname at preferredhost.tld" >>>instead of just as "listname". >> >>How can this be done with the web interface? I only get a message that >>a list must not contain a "@". >> -- D i r k F "o r s t e r l i n g r at zorbla.de http://r at zorbla.de/ ------------- Hat sich die Katze in der Hand festgebissen, l??t sie sich unter flie?end Wasser leicht entfernen. From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Sat Jan 17 16:55:35 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 10:55:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list In-Reply-To: <40095445.8040005@zorbla.de> References: <4008E8A9.2020203@zorbla.de> <001e01c3dd07$8d464c90$0300000a@sagea> <40095445.8040005@zorbla.de> Message-ID: <20040117155535.GV1581@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dirk F?rsterling wrote: > So my question remains unanswered: How to create mailman mailing lists > for different virtual domains using mailman and postfix just using the > web interface? You should have VIRTUAL_HOSTS set properly, using add_virtual_host() as well as POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS. Then you should be able to visit the list creation page using the URL associated with the virtual domain for which you want to create the list. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Sometimes it's a little better to travel than to arrive. -- Robert Pirsig -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFACVr2uv+09NZUB1oRAh+IAKD9j0hRXPsaAXboues+NqK7HiNoywCeLju4 9mZScMgjHdnJR+0pf+PEy7w= =N1K5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jsmith at smittybuilt.com Sat Jan 17 17:34:30 2004 From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 08:34:30 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderating Users Message-ID: Thanks, That's what I was looking for. Joe -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+jsmith=smittybuilt.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsmith=smittybuilt.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Todd Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:32 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderating Users -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 jsmith wrote: > I understand that the individual user setting for moderation is there > in membership management. The problem is that any new user that joins > the list isn't moderated by default. See the first setting on Privacy options -> Sender filters. It controls whether new members are moderated by default or not. That's probably what you want to set. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. -- Matt Groening -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFACNbjuv+09NZUB1oRAgJZAKCXT3AxZJd6dnp2S3nXz6U5tM6mcwCgs8S/ TekQMp8UZ3jOH7g/1I4OksE= =QtZV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jsmith at smittybuilt.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jsmith%40smittybuil t.com From r at zorbla.de Sat Jan 17 17:42:34 2004 From: r at zorbla.de (=?UTF-8?B?RGlyayBGw7Zyc3Rlcmxpbmc=?=) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:42:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list In-Reply-To: <20040117155535.GV1581@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <4008E8A9.2020203@zorbla.de> <001e01c3dd07$8d464c90$0300000a@sagea> <40095445.8040005@zorbla.de> <20040117155535.GV1581@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <400965FA.2000202@zorbla.de> Todd wrote: > Dirk F?rsterling wrote: > >>So my question remains unanswered: How to create mailman mailing lists >>for different virtual domains using mailman and postfix just using the >>web interface? > > You should have VIRTUAL_HOSTS set properly, using add_virtual_host() > as well as POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS. Then you should be able to > visit the list creation page using the URL associated with the virtual > domain for which you want to create the list. As posted earlier, I already did this. But independent from the virtual domain of the web server, the creation page only creates postfix virtual maps (in /path/to/mailman/data/virtual-mailman) for the first/DEFAULT domain added using add_virtual_host(). I have something like this: POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['domain1.tld','domain2.tld','domain3.tld'] MTA = 'Postfix' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'domain1.tld' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'domain1.tld' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) add_virtualhost('domain2.tld', 'domain2.tld'); add_virtualhost('domain3.tld', 'domain3.tld'); If I understood it correctly, the add_virtualhost() functions do the same as setting VIRTUAL_HOSTS= directly. I also tied this, which didn't change anything. Apache is set up with one virtual host per domain with mailman stuff added according to the docs like this: ScriptAlias "/mailman/" "/path/to/mailman/cgi-bin/" AllowOverride None Options None Order allow,deny Allow from all Alias "/pipermail/" "/path/to/mailman/archives/public/" Options FollowSymLinks AddDefaultCharset Off If I create a mailing list using any of the domains, for example http://domain3.tld/mailman/create, the virtual-mailman file always gets created using "domain1.tld", looking like this: listname at domain1.tld listname listname-admin at domain1.tld listname-admin listname-bounces at domain1.tld listname-bounces listname-confirm at domain1.tld listname-confirm listname-join at domain1.tld listname-join listname-leave at domain1.tld listname-leave listname-owner at domain1.tld listname-owner listname-request at domain1.tld listname-request listname-subscribe at domain1.tld listname-subscribe listname-unsubscribe at domain1.tld listname-unsubscribe No option of the mailman web interface seems to be able to change this. What else can I try? -dirk -- D i r k F "o r s t e r l i n g r at zorbla.de http://r at zorbla.de/ ------------- bIQapqu'meH tar DaSop 'e' DatIvnIS From paul at thcwd.com Sat Jan 17 19:51:20 2004 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 12:51:20 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: How do I limit posts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040117124512.02234ec0@mail.thcwd.com> Corky Seevinck wrote: >How do I configure a list so that members can't post. I want only the >moderators to be able to post. >Thanks http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.11 A side note to the developers - we see this question here several times a month. I realize it's easily found in the FAQ, but maybe adding a note to the installation documentation would reduce the frequency of this question here? <>< Paul From sdsheeks at thebbgn.net Sat Jan 17 20:27:28 2004 From: sdsheeks at thebbgn.net (S. David Sheeks) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:27:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing Message-ID: Can anyone help me setup my mailman so people can just email the group with a subject of subscribe and have it act? Is this even possible? Dave From bart at decrem.com Sat Jan 17 21:28:23 2004 From: bart at decrem.com (Bart Decrem) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 12:28:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin request notifications Message-ID: <40099AE7.40703@decrem.com> The Mozilla Foundation operates 74 Mailman lists with hundreds (thousands?) of messages per day. We are running 2.0.13. Our problem is with admin notification. We'd like to stop receiving admin notifications altogether. Better yet, we'd love to get rid of the admin queue and have admin'd messages automatically discarded. 90% of these messages are spam, with the remainder being messages by non-members and admin requests, that we can handle through the auto-responder. Simply using a bogus email address for the admin address doesn't work, since we do want to deal with administrative requests (subscribe/unsubscribe/post problems). Is it possible to tell mailman to stop sending out admin notifications? Is it possible to just get rid of the admin queue altogether? Will something bad happen if we ignnore the admin queue for a list for, say, an entire year? The only idea we have is to use a bogus admin address, edit the listinfo footer to display the real admin address, and edit the /etc/aliases file to hardcode the *-owner recipient. Any other suggestions? Bart From subs=mailman-users at rz.xs4all.nl Sat Jan 17 23:52:34 2004 From: subs=mailman-users at rz.xs4all.nl (Rejo Zenger) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:52:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] password reminders with invalid sender domain (thus bouncing) Message-ID: <20040117225234.GM8786@rz.xs4all.nl> Hello, I have a small problem: I have migrated mailman (and mailserver, etc) a month ago from one box to another. No problems, except for one list - all other list have no problems. This one list has it's password reminders send out with the wrong (a local) domain. As a result, most of these reminders get bounced because of sender verify tests. I have tried to find out which file I have to adjust, but I can't find out what is causing the problen. Any idea where to look? Thanks, -- Rejo Zenger - http://rejo.zenger.nl - PGP 0x75FC50F3 From charlie at hazlett.net Sun Jan 18 00:05:22 2004 From: charlie at hazlett.net (Charlie Hazlett) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:05:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces Message-ID: <200401172305.RAA02546@cerise.propagation.net> I have a subscriber who received a bounce warning and I have no idea why she received it. Her email address is correct and she has had no problems with her email that I am aware of. ?????? From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Jan 18 04:46:48 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 17 Jan 2004 22:46:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin request notifications In-Reply-To: <40099AE7.40703@decrem.com> References: <40099AE7.40703@decrem.com> Message-ID: <1074397608.4389.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-01-17 at 15:28, Bart Decrem wrote: > The Mozilla Foundation operates 74 Mailman lists with hundreds > (thousands?) of messages per day. We are running 2.0.13. > > Our problem is with admin notification. We'd like to stop receiving > admin notifications altogether. Better yet, we'd love to get rid of the > admin queue and have admin'd messages automatically discarded. 90% of > these messages are spam, with the remainder being messages by > non-members and admin requests, that we can handle through the > auto-responder. > > Simply using a bogus email address for the admin address doesn't work, > since we do want to deal with administrative requests > (subscribe/unsubscribe/post problems). > > Is it possible to tell mailman to stop sending out admin notifications? > Is it possible to just get rid of the admin queue altogether? > Will something bad happen if we ignnore the admin queue for a list for, > say, an entire year? > > The only idea we have is to use a bogus admin address, edit the listinfo > footer to display the real admin address, and edit the /etc/aliases file > to hardcode the *-owner recipient. > > Any other suggestions? > > Bart > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py === This might help somewhat - it shows you how to setup the request queue so that it is delted on a daily basis. If you delete it before 5pm (and turn off immediate notification in the list) then you'll rarely if ever get any admin notifications... http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#1.12 Jon Carnes From glen at kk7ih.net Sun Jan 18 08:16:13 2004 From: glen at kk7ih.net (T. Glen Haggard) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:16:13 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Relay Message-ID: <000801c3dd92$f5f82570$543de6ce@DUSTY> I have tried to figure this one out but have given up and decided to just ask. I am not geting any relay through mailman. I am sure this is something to do with connecting mailman and send mail to each other. What do I look for? Glen From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Jan 18 10:02:44 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 18 Jan 2004 04:02:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Relay In-Reply-To: <000801c3dd92$f5f82570$543de6ce@DUSTY> References: <000801c3dd92$f5f82570$543de6ce@DUSTY> Message-ID: <1074416564.3138.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-01-18 at 02:16, T. Glen Haggard wrote: > I have tried to figure this one out but have given up and decided to just ask. I am not geting any relay through mailman. I am sure this is something to do with connecting mailman and send mail to each other. What do I look for? > > Glen > ------------------------------------------------------ Look in the Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Specifically 3.14 From pregent at shaw.ca Sat Jan 17 00:41:56 2004 From: pregent at shaw.ca (Matt Pregent) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:41:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to? Message-ID: <000001c3dc8a$5406df80$6401a8c0@NetVistaMatt> how to automatically reply to sender while cc'ing to list?? From corky at seevinck.com Sat Jan 17 02:28:45 2004 From: corky at seevinck.com (Corky Seevinck) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:28:45 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I limit posts? Message-ID: <002501c3dc99$40aa1060$7afddd18@seevinckhome> How do I configure a list so that members can't post. I want only the moderators to be able to post. Thanks From rjaros at shaysnet.com Sat Jan 17 23:02:38 2004 From: rjaros at shaysnet.com (Peter Jaros) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:02:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved lists won't archive Message-ID: I've moved a few lists from one box to another, including their archives. The migrated archives are there, but the lists won't archive new messages. I've checked all of the list settings, but it's not working. Any ideas? Peter --- Funding for this program comes from Borders without Doctors: The Bookstore Chain That Sounds Like a Charity. --Harry Shearer, Le Show From mdean68 at earthlink.net Sun Jan 18 02:48:16 2004 From: mdean68 at earthlink.net (Marie Dean) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:48:16 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <035001c3dd65$24b84f80$0201a8c0@earthlink.net> When a person subscribes to my newsletter, will their address be automatically added to my mail list? Or do I have to manually put it in? From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Sun Jan 18 21:00:57 2004 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:00:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <035001c3dd65$24b84f80$0201a8c0@earthlink.net> References: <035001c3dd65$24b84f80$0201a8c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20040118200057.GD22604@charite.de> * Marie Dean : > When a person subscribes to my newsletter, will their address be > automatically added to my mail list? Obviously. That's the whole point, isn't it? -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - AIM. ralfpostfix From s_angelov at filibeto.org Sun Jan 18 22:19:28 2004 From: s_angelov at filibeto.org (Stoyan Angelov) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:19:28 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple messages sent to list from some users Message-ID: <01ce01c3de08$c2576d40$69f00ad9@dev.filibeto.org> hello all, i have been using mailman 2.1.1 for more then six months without problems - however since two weeks in one of the lists that i host some messages from some of the users (including me) get posted multiple times (mostly two times and sometimes three times). this is very annoying and users start to complain about the problem... i have tried to track down the problem with no success. testing to send messages to another list on the same machine works fine. checking mailman's log directory - in the posts file i can see all the double messages having the same size, posted one after another - messages are identical and MessageID of the multiple messages is the same. platform is Solaris 7 x86, Sendmail 8.11.2 and Mailman 2.1.1 as mentioned earlier. any help will be greatly appreciated ! thank you! Stoyan Angelov From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Sun Jan 18 23:44:47 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:44:47 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) References: <035001c3dd65$24b84f80$0201a8c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: "Marie Dean" schrieb: > When a person subscribes to my newsletter, will their address be > automatically added to my mail list? Or do I have to manually put it > in? If your "newsletter" is the same thing you call your "mail list" (i.e. a Mailman mailing list): yes, of course. If not, you'll have to explain a little more. -thh From robert at hartmann.cn Mon Jan 19 01:54:09 2004 From: robert at hartmann.cn (Robert) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:54:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual host Message-ID: <56345495.20040119015409@hartmann.cn> hallo, i have setup mailman on my host. i works verfy fine but i have one problem. i have set DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST in mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py to bla.com but mailman send mail with the localhost name. what can i do? -- best regards Robert mailto:robert at hartmann.cn From ted at chicagohumanist.org Mon Jan 19 03:07:51 2004 From: ted at chicagohumanist.org (Ted Ernst) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:07:51 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] backup membership list & options Message-ID: <002001c3de31$0cde87e0$1d9b4943@YOURAA25C73E3D> I've tried to find my answer in the archives, but everything I've found refers to running scripts or locating specific directories and I'm quite lost on these matters. I use the mailman software that comes with my web hosting package. I have no idea how to run a script, nor can I find a mailman directory anywhere, nor any mailman files. I can get to the mailman admin page for my list and I can see the list of subscribers with 20 or 30 to a page. Thing is, I'd like to change web hosts and take my list with me. How do I do this and preserve options (digest, etc)? Thanks so much! peace, ted From charlie at hazlett.net Mon Jan 19 03:11:54 2004 From: charlie at hazlett.net (Charlie Hazlett) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:11:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces Message-ID: <200401190211.UAA28340@cerise.propagation.net> I have read and read, but I cannot seem to understand the BOUNCE !! I have people sending mail to the list, using the correct list address and they get bounced. Why is that ??? Someone please explain the bounce thing in plain English for this thick skull ??? From glen at kk7ih.net Mon Jan 19 05:04:44 2004 From: glen at kk7ih.net (T. Glen Haggard) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:04:44 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail and Mailman Message-ID: <000201c3de41$6268c620$543de6ce@DUSTY> I have searched the archives and looked through the Mailman documentation but can not find how it is that the Sendmail and Mailman work together. What happens when a list is created, does Mailman create a user in Sendmail? Is there something I need to setup in Sendmail or Mailman to cause them to work together? I can create a list but when I send a message to the list I get an error message back telling me that the user is unknown. Can someone help me figure this one out? Glen From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Jan 19 05:14:26 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 18 Jan 2004 23:14:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail and Mailman In-Reply-To: <000201c3de41$6268c620$543de6ce@DUSTY> References: <000201c3de41$6268c620$543de6ce@DUSTY> Message-ID: <1074485666.3433.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-01-18 at 23:04, T. Glen Haggard wrote: > I have searched the archives and looked through the Mailman documentation > but can not find how it is that the Sendmail and Mailman work together. What > happens when a list is created, does Mailman create a user in Sendmail? Is > there something I need to setup in Sendmail or Mailman to cause them to work > together? > > > > I can create a list but when I send a message to the list I get an error > message back telling me that the user is unknown. Can someone help me figure > this one out? > > > > Glen > Well you really need to tell us more information, but I'm going to assume that your using the latest version of Mailman, and that your using Sendmail without any integration. When you create a list via the command line, you get a nice print out of the entries that need to be added to the file /etc/aliases. Simply cut and paste these into that file and then run the command "newaliases". This makes Sendmail aware of the email list names and points those emails right at the cgi's used by Mailman. When you become more experienced you'll want to run Postfix as your MTA instead of Sendmail, and then you'll setup the Postfix integration as is outlined in the README.POSTFIX file that comes along with Mailman. Using this integration means never having to manually add the aliases again! Good luck - Jon Carnes BTW: This is in the archives and in the FAQ (FAQ 3.14 for example). From glen at kk7ih.net Mon Jan 19 05:52:50 2004 From: glen at kk7ih.net (T. Glen Haggard) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:52:50 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] More on Sendmail Message-ID: <000101c3de48$1aa023e0$543de6ce@DUSTY> Sorry for the multiple post on this. In researching more it seems that Mailman must create an alias in the /etc/aliases file. If this is so does it run the new aliases program? There are entries in this file from Mailman but nothing about the new lists that I created. This must be why they do not work. So what is the fix? How do I make Mailman write to the aliases file and run new aliases, if this is needed? Is there something in Mailman that I missed? Glen From conrad at hollywoodnetworks.net Mon Jan 19 07:10:17 2004 From: conrad at hollywoodnetworks.net (Conrad Watson) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:10:17 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending mail with sendmail ... Message-ID: <002601c3de52$e926bb20$6404010a@radkon.net> Hi, I have tried everything suggested in the FAQ's and I still can not get mailman to send messages (eveything that was suggested to look at was correct). There are no errors in the logs, sendmail or mailman, but no messages are sent. Mailman Version: mailman-2.1.2/ OS: FreeBSD 4.9 Installed via the ports collection and Im using sendmail 8.12.10 I can send and receive mail just fine from my box from inside and outside, and posts get posted okay. The only issue is sending out to list members. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. #conrad From paux at paukner.cc Mon Jan 19 10:06:36 2004 From: paux at paukner.cc (Stephan Paukner) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:06:36 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1165.213.164.18.61.1074503196.squirrel@mail.paukner.cc> Hi! Linda Pahdoco wrote: > When you create the list, create it as "listname at preferredhost.tld" > instead > of just as "listname". You can use withlist fix_url to update the > existing > lists if you have access to the shell on the list server. If you don't, > ask > your hosting company to fix it for you. I want to mention that the default email-host is correctly listed as virtual.domain, but the link to the archives always goes to DEFAULT_URL_HOST, which is not equal to virtual.domain. So, if someone navigates to the index page here, the lists for DEFAULT_URL_HOST are displayed, and not those for virtual.domain, where the visitor has started. If bin/withlist really can change this, how's the syntax to do this? TIA & Regards Stephan From remko at elvandar.org Mon Jan 19 11:45:26 2004 From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:45:26 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Postfix/Mysql Question; (and qmail... a bit) Message-ID: <20040119104502.702042B4D87@redqueen.elvandar.org> Hi I Recently installed Mailman with Qmail, delivered with aliases using the vdelivermail options. After that i migrated to postfix and SQL, Mailman migrated along, the only problem is that i need my delivery for mailman as vdelivermail since it does not understand my postfix_virtual -> postfix_alias blabla at lists.elvandar.org -> blabla (Virtual) blabla "| mailman commands " -> Alias reply: No such user blabla at elvandar.org, Is there anyone who has this problem, knows whatever i can try to get it working with postfix only (including delivery :) ) I would love to hear that from you :) Note: The sending from mailman using postfix works alright! :) Cheers -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene From conrad at hollywoodnetworks.net Mon Jan 19 11:54:21 2004 From: conrad at hollywoodnetworks.net (Conrad Watson) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:54:21 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending mail with sendmail ...SOLVED In-Reply-To: <002601c3de52$e926bb20$6404010a@radkon.net> Message-ID: <006001c3de7a$995692f0$6404010a@radkon.net> Nevermind, I seem to have it working now. I'm still not really sure what made it start working but the last change I made was to change the default delivery_module to SMTPDIRECT from sendmail. But I don't think this was what fixed it since this was the default option that I changed it when looking for a problem. Conrad > -----Original Message----- > From: > mailman-users-bounces+conrad=hollywoodnetworks.net at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+conrad=hollywoodnetworks.net at pyt > hon.org] On Behalf Of Conrad Watson > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 10:10 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending mail with sendmail ... > > > Hi, I have tried everything suggested in the FAQ's and I > still can not get mailman to send messages (eveything that > was suggested to look at was correct). There are no errors in > the logs, sendmail or mailman, but no messages are sent. > > Mailman Version: mailman-2.1.2/ > OS: FreeBSD 4.9 > Installed via the ports collection > and Im using sendmail 8.12.10 > > I can send and receive mail just fine from my box from inside > and outside, and posts get posted okay. The only issue is > sending out to list members. Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks in advance. > > #conrad > From paul at thcwd.com Mon Jan 19 20:09:26 2004 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:09:26 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bounces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040119014152.07f21cb0@mail.thcwd.com> Charlie Hazlett wrote: >I have a subscriber who received a bounce warning and I have no idea why >she received it. Her email address is correct and she has had no problems >with her email that I am aware of. Start with the mailman bounce log /mailman/logs and look for her bounce information with something like grep -i "name at isp.com" bounce Use the times on the bounces to then search your servers mail logs for the actual bounce messages. <>< Paul From andre at abrapiv.com.br Mon Jan 19 20:55:16 2004 From: andre at abrapiv.com.br (Andre Ricardo) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:55:16 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP WITH THE WEB INTERFACE. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, I am trying to use the web interface to open a new mailing list, and I have the follow error: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.3 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 219, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create _update_maps() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/local/sbin/postalias /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Not owner) Info: SunFireV100 running Solaris 9 + Postfix + python 2.2.2 + GCC 3.2.2 Any help is welcome Thanks in advance. []s Andre Ricardo Righetto ABRAPIV - http://www.abrapiv.com.br/ VBA - http://www.flyvba.com.br/ FABv - http://www.voefab.com.br/ Vamos filhos altivos dos ares Nosso v?o ousado al?ar... From jsmith at smittybuilt.com Tue Jan 20 00:06:35 2004 From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:06:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list Message-ID: Stephan I used the cmd bin/withlist -l -r fix_url mylistname -u my_url_here Seems to work fine. Joe -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+jsmith=smittybuilt.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsmith=smittybuilt.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Stephan Paukner Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:07 AM To: Linda Pahdoco Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list Hi! Linda Pahdoco wrote: > When you create the list, create it as "listname at preferredhost.tld" > instead > of just as "listname". You can use withlist fix_url to update the > existing lists if you have access to the shell on the list server. If > you don't, ask your hosting company to fix it for you. I want to mention that the default email-host is correctly listed as virtual.domain, but the link to the archives always goes to DEFAULT_URL_HOST, which is not equal to virtual.domain. So, if someone navigates to the index page here, the lists for DEFAULT_URL_HOST are displayed, and not those for virtual.domain, where the visitor has started. If bin/withlist really can change this, how's the syntax to do this? TIA & Regards Stephan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jsmith at smittybuilt.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jsmith%40smittybuil t.com From ted at chicagohumanist.org Tue Jan 20 00:20:13 2004 From: ted at chicagohumanist.org (Ted Ernst) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:20:13 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin interface question Message-ID: <005101c3dee2$cbbb22c0$873dc343@S0026976057> My admin interface membership list shows only a small number of members at a time. Is there any way to get it to show me the whole list (over 1000 members)? peace, ted ___ Humanize the Earth! http://www.chicagohumanist.org http://www.tedernst.com From pjh at mccc.edu Tue Jan 20 04:01:14 2004 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:01:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where are list member addresses stored? Message-ID: I'm getting error messages from Yahoo saying that xxxxxx at comcast.net can't be found! I would like to look at the file that contains the list member email addresses to try todope this out. Tahnks, Pete From emechler at techometer.net Tue Jan 20 09:31:27 2004 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:31:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where are list member addresses stored? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040120083127.GI1814@techometer.net> :: I'm getting error messages from Yahoo saying that :: xxxxxx at comcast.net can't be found! :: :: I would like to look at the file that contains the list :: member email addresses to try todope this out. ~mailman/bin/list_members [listname] This information is stored in the config.pck file in ~mailman/lists/ Cheers - Erick From emechler at techometer.net Tue Jan 20 09:36:47 2004 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:36:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I limit posts? In-Reply-To: <002501c3dc99$40aa1060$7afddd18@seevinckhome> References: <002501c3dc99$40aa1060$7afddd18@seevinckhome> Message-ID: <20040120083647.GK1814@techometer.net> :: How do I configure a list so that members can't post. I want only the :: moderators to be able to post. Please read the FAQ before posting: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp --Erick From chris at schoeppi.net Tue Jan 20 10:31:36 2004 From: chris at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:31:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 mailman instances with postfix Message-ID: <20040120093136.GB32463@master.schoeppi.net> Hi! Is it possible to use 2 mailman installations with one postfix mta on a server? How do I have to configure postfix / mailman, that for example no problems ocure with equal listaliases in the 1. and 2. mailman installation. The tow mailman instances are using different domains, so maybe postfix can sort out somehow which alias should be used. Regards, Schoeppi -- Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: http://www.lily-rockt.de chris at schoeppi.net | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de From ammdv62 at tid.es Tue Jan 20 13:18:43 2004 From: ammdv62 at tid.es (Ana) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:18:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to use Mailman with windows 2000? References: <20040120093136.GB32463@master.schoeppi.net> Message-ID: <00d101c3df4f$8c189ea0$0370a8c0@NAIROBI> Hi all, I read in the requeriments page that Mailman currently not work on windows. I need to now if someone manage to work it in windows and how to did it? Thanks in advance. From pjh at mccc.edu Tue Jan 20 15:12:06 2004 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:12:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where are list member addresses stored? In-Reply-To: <20040120083127.GI1814@techometer.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Erick Mechler wrote: > :: I'm getting error messages from Yahoo saying that > :: xxxxxx at comcast.net can't be found! > :: > :: I would like to look at the file that contains the list > :: member email addresses to try todope this out. > > ~mailman/bin/list_members [listname] > > This information is stored in the config.pck file in ~mailman/lists/ > > Cheers - Erick > Thanks, Erick. I got Traceback (innermost last): File "./list_members", line 139, in ? main() File "./list_members", line 113, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info' MMBadListError: Failed to access config info ???? Pete From bill at sholar.com Tue Jan 20 15:26:36 2004 From: bill at sholar.com (Bill Sholar) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:26:36 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome email In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We have mailman on a dedicated server which hosts several domains. Domain owners creating a new mailman list get a welcome email that inserts the server name where you'd expect the relevant domain name .... Such as links to http://server.serverdomain.com/mailman/admin/newlist_userdomain.com instead of http://userdomain.com/mailman/admin/newlist_userdomain.com (which does work, but is not how it should display), and email addresses such as newlist_userdomain.com.com-request at server.serverdomain.com (which does NOT work) instead of newlist_userdomain.com.com-request at userdomain.com. Any suggestions? Thanks much! From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 20 15:28:47 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 20 Jan 2004 09:28:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 mailman instances with postfix In-Reply-To: <20040120093136.GB32463@master.schoeppi.net> References: <20040120093136.GB32463@master.schoeppi.net> Message-ID: <1074608927.3142.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 04:31, Christian Schoepplein wrote: > Hi! > > Is it possible to use 2 mailman installations with one postfix mta on a > server? How do I have to configure postfix / mailman, that for example > no problems ocure with equal listaliases in the 1. and 2. mailman > installation. The tow mailman instances are using different domains, so > maybe postfix can sort out somehow which alias should be used. > > Regards, > Schoeppi I have multiple installs on my test machine some that use sendmail and others that use postfix, so it's no problem to have multiple Mailman installs on a system all using the same MTA - at least technically. You've nailed the administrative problem though... I don't think there is a check to see if the alias already exists. Now Postfix will give you an error to alert you of the duplicate alias, but I don't think that Mailman listens for that - so the duplicate alias would be added. Of course Postfix would sort it out by using the first match in its hash tables, so the mail would go to one of the installs. Still that isn't much help. You could simply write a script to look for duplicates between the two sites and have that kicked off by the Create List routine - or add that as an external script and send an alert to the administrators when there is a collision. You could even have the script rename the newer alias. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 20 15:38:49 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 20 Jan 2004 09:38:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to use Mailman with windows 2000? In-Reply-To: <00d101c3df4f$8c189ea0$0370a8c0@NAIROBI> References: <20040120093136.GB32463@master.schoeppi.net> <00d101c3df4f$8c189ea0$0370a8c0@NAIROBI> Message-ID: <1074609529.3142.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 07:18, Ana wrote: > Hi all, > > I read in the requeriments page that Mailman currently not work on windows. > I need to now if someone manage to work it in windows and how to did it? > > Thanks in advance. > Here's the deal... You can get Mailman to work on Windows. It requires so much expertise to get it working that you might as well simply install a Linux box - on which it is trivial to install. The choice of a gnu generation is yours to make, Jon Carnes From jdecarlo at mitre.org Tue Jan 20 16:29:27 2004 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:29:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is the "mailman" mailing list used for? In-Reply-To: <16392.27096.329410.15148@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <16392.27096.329410.15148@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <400D4957.6020500@mitre.org> Skip, In the absence of Barry giving a definitive answer, my guess would be that this is a cleaner design. It works for situations with just one person and also works for situations with many, many people involved (such as at a large company or a Mailman hosting service). Skip Montanaro wrote: > I asked about this a couple days ago, but it was buried in another message, > so maybe nobody saw it. Why is the "mailman" mailing list necessary? > Pre-2.1, I just had an alias which pointed to me. Now I apparently need a > fully functioning Mailman list called "mailman". I read the FAQ at > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.025.htp > > but it doesn't explain why a list (as opposed to a simple alias) is > required. > -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From jdecarlo at mitre.org Tue Jan 20 16:33:18 2004 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:33:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces In-Reply-To: <200401190211.UAA28340@cerise.propagation.net> References: <200401190211.UAA28340@cerise.propagation.net> Message-ID: <400D4A3E.2070201@mitre.org> Charlie, Charlie Hazlett wrote: > I have read and read, but I cannot seem to understand the BOUNCE !! I have > people sending mail to the list, using the correct list address and they > get bounced. Why is that ??? > > Someone please explain the bounce thing in plain English for this thick skull > ??? There are many different reasons for Bounce messages. If you could post a particular one, someone on the list could undoubtedly explain it to you. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From ammdv62 at tid.es Tue Jan 20 17:00:05 2004 From: ammdv62 at tid.es (Ana) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:00:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to use Mailman with windows 2000? References: <20040120093136.GB32463@master.schoeppi.net> <00d101c3df4f$8c189ea0$0370a8c0@NAIROBI> <1074609529.3142.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <018001c3df6e$786e5880$0370a8c0@NAIROBI> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Carnes" To: "Ana" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to use Mailman with windows 2000? > On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 07:18, Ana wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I read in the requeriments page that Mailman currently not work on windows. > > I need to now if someone manage to work it in windows and how to did it? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > Here's the deal... > > You can get Mailman to work on Windows. > It requires so much expertise to get it working that you might as well > simply install a Linux box - on which it is trivial to install. > > The choice of a gnu generation is yours to make, > > Jon Carnes > Well but, how i can do it, please? From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 20 17:03:57 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 20 Jan 2004 11:03:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 mailman instances with postfix In-Reply-To: <1074610997.400d433546df9@schoeppi.dyndns.org> References: <20040120093136.GB32463@master.schoeppi.net> <1074608927.3142.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1074610997.400d433546df9@schoeppi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1074614637.3142.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 10:03, Christian Schoepplein wrote: > Hi John! > > Thanks for your answer! > > > I thought about using the same alias-File for all mailman > installations..., but I don't know how mailman checks if a list > allready exists or not. Is mailman only searching through the alias > file to check if a list allready exists or is a database used, where > the listnames and other things are stored. Is the alias file checked > first and would a new list only be created, if the name for a new list > isn't found in the alias file... > > I think I have to take a look in the mailman code :-(. Or do you have > anny hints? > > Regards, > Schoeppi Last time I looked at this, Mailman checked for the existence of a config file in the ~mailman/lists// directory. If no config.db, config.pck, or config.bak existed in this directory then it created the . It did not check the aliases files. From navegante at ladonegro.net Mon Jan 19 17:52:09 2004 From: navegante at ladonegro.net (Navegante) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:52:09 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how limit traffic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040119164408.016df008@mail.ladonegro.net> Hi! I need to use a newsletter with 2400 email adresses (op-in list)but my hosting plan doesn?t allow me to send more than 200 mails in one shot (recent spaming issues and server black lists from other users). Is there a way to force Mailman spit the list in 200 mails (12 lists!) or does shots of 200 adresses per time limit? Can i use some sort of cron jobs? I would apreciate you help! Thanks! >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mailman-users-request at python.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > mailman-users-owner at python.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Bounces (Paul H Byerly) > 2. HELP WITH THE WEB INTERFACE. (Andre Ricardo) > 3. RE: URL_HOST per list (jsmith) > 4. Admin interface question (Ted Ernst) > 5. Where are list member addresses stored? (Pete Holsberg) > 6. Re: Where are list member addresses stored? (Erick Mechler) > 7. Re: How do I limit posts? (Erick Mechler) > 8. 2 mailman instances with postfix (Christian Schoepplein) > 9. How to use Mailman with windows 2000? (Ana) > 10. Re: Where are list member addresses stored? (Pete Holsberg) > 11. Welcome email (Bill Sholar) > 12. Re: 2 mailman instances with postfix (Jon Carnes) > 13. Re: How to use Mailman with windows 2000? (Jon Carnes) >From: Paul H Byerly >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: >To: mailman-users at python.org >References: >In-Reply-To: >Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:09:26 -0600 >Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040119014152.07f21cb0 at mail.thcwd.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bounces >Message: 1 > >Charlie Hazlett wrote: >>I have a subscriber who received a bounce warning and I have no idea why >>she received it. Her email address is correct and she has had no problems >>with her email that I am aware of. > > Start with the mailman bounce log /mailman/logs and look for > her bounce information with something like > >grep -i "name at isp.com" bounce > > Use the times on the bounces to then search your servers mail logs > for the actual bounce messages. > > ><>< Paul > > > > > >From: Andre Ricardo >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: mailman-users at python.org >In-Reply-To: >Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:55:16 -0200 (EDT) >Message-ID: >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN >Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP WITH THE WEB INTERFACE. >Message: 2 > > Hi, > I am trying to use the web interface to open a new mailing list, >and I have the follow error: > >Bug in Mailman version 2.1.3 > >We're sorry, we hit a bug! >If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of >this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what >happened. Thanks! > >Traceback: > >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main > main() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main > process_request(doc, cgidata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 219, in >process_request > sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create > _update_maps() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in >_update_maps > raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) >RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/local/sbin/postalias >/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Not owner) > > > Info: SunFireV100 running Solaris 9 + Postfix + python 2.2.2 + GCC >3.2.2 > > Any help is welcome > Thanks in advance. > > >[]s >Andre Ricardo Righetto >ABRAPIV - http://www.abrapiv.com.br/ >VBA - http://www.flyvba.com.br/ >FABv - http://www.voefab.com.br/ > Vamos filhos altivos dos ares > Nosso v?o ousado al?ar... > > > > >From: "jsmith" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >To: "Stephan Paukner" , > "Linda Pahdoco" >Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:06:35 -0800 >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" >Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list >Message: 3 > >Stephan > > >I used the cmd bin/withlist -l -r fix_url mylistname -u my_url_here > >Seems to work fine. > >Joe > >-----Original Message----- >From: mailman-users-bounces+jsmith=smittybuilt.com at python.org >[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsmith=smittybuilt.com at python.org] On >Behalf Of Stephan Paukner >Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:07 AM >To: Linda Pahdoco >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list > >Hi! > >Linda Pahdoco wrote: > > When you create the list, create it as "listname at preferredhost.tld" > > instead > > of just as "listname". You can use withlist fix_url to update the > > existing lists if you have access to the shell on the list server. If > > > you don't, ask your hosting company to fix it for you. > >I want to mention that the default email-host is correctly listed as >virtual.domain, but the link to the archives always goes to >DEFAULT_URL_HOST, which is not equal to virtual.domain. So, if someone >navigates to the index page here, the lists for DEFAULT_URL_HOST are >displayed, and not those for virtual.domain, where the visitor has >started. > >If bin/withlist really can change this, how's the syntax to do this? > >TIA & Regards > >Stephan > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: jsmith at smittybuilt.com Unsubscribe or change >your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jsmith%40smittybuil >t.com > > > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: "Ted Ernst" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: >Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:20:13 -0600 >Reply-To: ted at chicagohumanist.org >Message-ID: <005101c3dee2$cbbb22c0$873dc343 at S0026976057> >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="US-ASCII" >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin interface question >Message: 4 > >My admin interface membership list shows only a small number of members at a >time. Is there any way to get it to show me the whole list (over 1000 >members)? > >peace, >ted >___ >Humanize the Earth! http://www.chicagohumanist.org http://www.tedernst.com > > > >From: Pete Holsberg >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: mailman-users at python.org >Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:01:14 -0500 (EST) >Message-ID: >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where are list member addresses stored? >Message: 5 > >I'm getting error messages from Yahoo saying that >xxxxxx at comcast.net can't be found! > >I would like to look at the file that contains the list >member email addresses to try todope this out. > >Tahnks, >Pete > > > >From: Erick Mechler >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >To: Pete Holsberg >References: >In-Reply-To: >Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:31:27 -0800 >Message-ID: <20040120083127.GI1814 at techometer.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Where are list member addresses stored? >Message: 6 > >:: I'm getting error messages from Yahoo saying that >:: xxxxxx at comcast.net can't be found! >:: >:: I would like to look at the file that contains the list >:: member email addresses to try todope this out. > >~mailman/bin/list_members [listname] > >This information is stored in the config.pck file in ~mailman/lists/ > >Cheers - Erick > > >From: Erick Mechler >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >To: Corky Seevinck >References: <002501c3dc99$40aa1060$7afddd18 at seevinckhome> >In-Reply-To: <002501c3dc99$40aa1060$7afddd18 at seevinckhome> >Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:36:47 -0800 >Message-ID: <20040120083647.GK1814 at techometer.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I limit posts? >Message: 7 > >:: How do I configure a list so that members can't post. I want only the >:: moderators to be able to post. > >Please read the FAQ before posting: > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp > >--Erick > > >From: Christian Schoepplein >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: mailman-users at python.org >Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:31:36 +0100 >Message-ID: <20040120093136.GB32463 at master.schoeppi.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 mailman instances with postfix >Message: 8 > >Hi! > >Is it possible to use 2 mailman installations with one postfix mta on a >server? How do I have to configure postfix / mailman, that for example >no problems ocure with equal listaliases in the 1. and 2. mailman >installation. The tow mailman instances are using different domains, so >maybe postfix can sort out somehow which alias should be used. > >Regards, >Schoeppi > >-- >Christian Schoepplein | Beste Rockband der Welt: http://www.lily-rockt.de >chris at schoeppi.net | Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >From: Ana >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: mailman-users at python.org >References: <20040120093136.GB32463 at master.schoeppi.net> >Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:18:43 +0100 >Message-ID: <00d101c3df4f$8c189ea0$0370a8c0 at NAIROBI> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to use Mailman with windows 2000? >Message: 9 > >Hi all, > >I read in the requeriments page that Mailman currently not work on windows. >I need to now if someone manage to work it in windows and how to did it? > >Thanks in advance. > > > >From: Pete Holsberg >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >In-Reply-To: <20040120083127.GI1814 at techometer.net> >Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:12:06 -0500 (EST) >Message-ID: >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Where are list member addresses stored? >Message: 10 > >On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Erick Mechler wrote: > > > :: I'm getting error messages from Yahoo saying that > > :: xxxxxx at comcast.net can't be found! > > :: > > :: I would like to look at the file that contains the list > > :: member email addresses to try todope this out. > > > > ~mailman/bin/list_members [listname] > > > > This information is stored in the config.pck file in ~mailman/lists/ > > > > Cheers - Erick > > > >Thanks, Erick. I got > >Traceback (innermost last): > File "./list_members", line 139, in ? > main() > File "./list_members", line 113, in main > mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__ > self.Load() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load > raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info' >MMBadListError: Failed to access config info > >???? > >Pete > > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: "Bill Sholar" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: >In-Reply-To: >Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:26:36 -0600 >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="US-ASCII" >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome email >Message: 11 > >We have mailman on a dedicated server which hosts several domains. > >Domain owners creating a new mailman list get a welcome email that inserts >the server name where you'd expect the relevant domain name .... Such as >links to http://server.serverdomain.com/mailman/admin/newlist_userdomain.com >instead of http://userdomain.com/mailman/admin/newlist_userdomain.com (which >does work, but is not how it should display), and email addresses such as >newlist_userdomain.com.com-request at server.serverdomain.com (which does NOT >work) instead of newlist_userdomain.com.com-request at userdomain.com. > >Any suggestions? Thanks much! > > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: Jon Carnes >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >To: Christian Schoepplein >References: <20040120093136.GB32463 at master.schoeppi.net> >In-Reply-To: <20040120093136.GB32463 at master.schoeppi.net> >Date: 20 Jan 2004 09:28:47 -0500 >Reply-To: jonc at nc.rr.com >Message-ID: <1074608927.3142.17.camel at localhost.localdomain> >Content-Type: text/plain >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 2 mailman instances with postfix >Message: 12 > >On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 04:31, Christian Schoepplein wrote: > > Hi! > > > > Is it possible to use 2 mailman installations with one postfix mta on a > > server? How do I have to configure postfix / mailman, that for example > > no problems ocure with equal listaliases in the 1. and 2. mailman > > installation. The tow mailman instances are using different domains, so > > maybe postfix can sort out somehow which alias should be used. > > > > Regards, > > Schoeppi > >I have multiple installs on my test machine some that use sendmail and >others that use postfix, so it's no problem to have multiple Mailman >installs on a system all using the same MTA - at least technically. > >You've nailed the administrative problem though... I don't think there >is a check to see if the alias already exists. Now Postfix will give >you an error to alert you of the duplicate alias, but I don't think that >Mailman listens for that - so the duplicate alias would be added. > >Of course Postfix would sort it out by using the first match in its hash >tables, so the mail would go to one of the installs. Still that isn't >much help. > >You could simply write a script to look for duplicates between the two >sites and have that kicked off by the Create List routine - or add that >as an external script and send an alert to the administrators when there >is a collision. You could even have the script rename the newer alias. > >Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: Jon Carnes >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >To: Ana >References: <20040120093136.GB32463 at master.schoeppi.net> > <00d101c3df4f$8c189ea0$0370a8c0 at NAIROBI> >In-Reply-To: <00d101c3df4f$8c189ea0$0370a8c0 at NAIROBI> >Date: 20 Jan 2004 09:38:49 -0500 >Reply-To: jonc at nc.rr.com >Message-ID: <1074609529.3142.29.camel at localhost.localdomain> >Content-Type: text/plain >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to use Mailman with windows 2000? >Message: 13 > >On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 07:18, Ana wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I read in the requeriments page that Mailman currently not work on windows. > > I need to now if someone manage to work it in windows and how to did it? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > >Here's the deal... > >You can get Mailman to work on Windows. >It requires so much expertise to get it working that you might as well >simply install a Linux box - on which it is trivial to install. > >The choice of a gnu generation is yours to make, > >Jon Carnes > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ "The interest in encouraging freedom of expression in a democratic society outweighs any theoretical but unproven benefit of censorship." -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Supreme Court of the United States of America, from the decision on the Communications Decency Act Lado Negro da WEB http://www.ladonegro.net From mikew at halecentretheatre.org Tue Jan 20 18:18:38 2004 From: mikew at halecentretheatre.org (Mike Williams) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:18:38 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 mailman instances with postfix Message-ID: <05B8B2029B20BF48AB13DEACAEE414C2056387@ntserver.domain.local> > I thought about using the same alias-File for all mailman > installations..., but I don't know how mailman checks if a list > allready exists or not. Is mailman only searching through the alias > file to check if a list allready exists or is a database used, where > the listnames and other things are stored. Is the alias file checked > first and would a new list only be created, if the name for a new list > isn't found in the alias file... > > I think I have to take a look in the mailman code :-(. Or do you have > anny hints? > > Regards, > Schoeppi Last time I looked at this, Mailman checked for the existence of a config file in the ~mailman/lists// directory. If no config.db, config.pck, or config.bak existed in this directory then it created the . It did not check the aliases files. (Apologies to Jon Carnes. I meant to reply to the list) My understanding is that the MTA checks the alias file and sends the mesage to the appropriate Mailman install, according to the alias file. Here's my question: How do you install multiple instances of Mailman? I'm using SuSE Professional 8.1 with Mailman 2.0.13 and would like to install 2.1.4 concurrently. Mike Williams From vizisz at freemail.hu Tue Jan 20 18:52:48 2004 From: vizisz at freemail.hu (Szilard Vizi) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:52:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to use Mailman with windows 2000? In-Reply-To: <018001c3df6e$786e5880$0370a8c0@NAIROBI> References: <20040120093136.GB32463@master.schoeppi.net><00d101c3df4f$8c189ea0$0370a8c0@NAIROBI><1074609529.3142.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <018001c3df6e$786e5880$0370a8c0@NAIROBI> Message-ID: <51962.193.6.32.106.1074621168.squirrel@kabinet.uranus.vein.hu> Hello, >> > I need to now if someone manage to work it in windows and how to did >> it? >> You can get Mailman to work on Windows. >> It requires so much expertise to get it working that you might as well >> simply install a Linux box - on which it is trivial to install. > > Well but, how i can do it, please? If you are really want to run Mailman on Windows read this FAQ entry: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.002.htp Szilard Vizi From ewilts at ewilts.org Tue Jan 20 19:02:48 2004 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:02:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how limit traffic In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040119164408.016df008@mail.ladonegro.net> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040119164408.016df008@mail.ladonegro.net> Message-ID: <20040120180248.GB20539@www.ewilts.org> On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 04:52:09PM +0000, Navegante wrote: > I need to use a newsletter with 2400 email adresses (op-in list)but my > hosting plan doesn?t allow me to send more than 200 mails in one shot > (recent spaming issues and server black lists from other users). > > Is there a way to force Mailman spit the list in 200 mails (12 lists!) or > does shots of 200 adresses per time limit? Can i use some sort of cron jobs? Look at the following segment in Defaults.py: # Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified in a single # SMTP # transaction. Set to 0 to submit the entire recipient list in one # transaction. Only used with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE. SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 Incidentally, please restrict your replies to only the relevant pieces of the e-mail and do not reply to a digest changing only the subject line. For a new question, please start a new thread so you don't mess up the threading model for those of us with real mail clients. Thanks! -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jan 20 19:09:05 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:09:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how limit traffic In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040119164408.016df008@mail.ladonegro.net> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040119164408.016df008@mail.ladonegro.net> Message-ID: At 4:52 PM +0000 2004/01/19, Navegante wrote: > Is there a way to force Mailman spit the list in 200 mails (12 lists!) > or does shots of 200 adresses per time limit? Mailman will aggregate together as many recipients as it can per message envelope, if you make sure that the VERP and per-user features are turned off. This will make it a bit more difficult to manage the mailing list (especially bounces from misconfigured mail servers). See also , , and . In particular, make sure that SMTP_MAX_RCPTS in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (see ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py for details) is set to a sufficiently high level to meet your needs. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 20 19:51:13 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 20 Jan 2004 13:51:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 mailman instances with postfix In-Reply-To: <05B8B2029B20BF48AB13DEACAEE414C2056387@ntserver.domain.local> References: <05B8B2029B20BF48AB13DEACAEE414C2056387@ntserver.domain.local> Message-ID: <1074624673.3142.88.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 12:18, Mike Williams wrote: > > I thought about using the same alias-File for all mailman > > installations..., but I don't know how mailman checks if a list > > allready exists or not. Is mailman only searching through the alias > > file to check if a list allready exists or is a database used, where > > the listnames and other things are stored. Is the alias file checked > > first and would a new list only be created, if the name for a new list > > isn't found in the alias file... > > > > I think I have to take a look in the mailman code :-(. Or do you have > > anny hints? > > > > Regards, > > Schoeppi > > Last time I looked at this, Mailman checked for the existence of a > config file in the ~mailman/lists// directory. If no > config.db, config.pck, or config.bak existed in this directory then it > created the . > > It did not check the aliases files. > > (Apologies to Jon Carnes. I meant to reply to the list) > My understanding is that the MTA checks the alias file and sends the > mesage to the appropriate Mailman install, according to the alias file. > Here's my question: How do you install multiple instances of Mailman? > I'm using SuSE Professional 8.1 with Mailman 2.0.13 and would like to > install 2.1.4 concurrently. > > Mike Williams When installing (from source), pick a different base installation and a different user/group for the install to use. You do this by adding some switches the "./configure" command: --prefix= Standard GNU configure option which changes the base directory that Mailman is installed into. By default $prefix is /usr/local/mailman. This directory must already exist, --with-username= Specify a different username than `mailman' to use as a default. Use this only if the username `mailman' is already in use by somebody (e.g. Mark Ailman's login name). This switch can take an integer user id or a user name. Be sure your $prefix directory is owned by this user. --with-groupname= Specify a different groupname than `mailman' to use as a default. Use this only if the groupname `mailman' is already in use. This switch can take an integer group id or a group name. Be sure your $prefix directory is group-owned by this group. Using this, you can install any number of Mailman instances on one server; all using the same local web-server and the same local mail-server. You'll need to have separate settings inside your httpd.conf file for each installation of mailman: # httpd configuration settings for use with mailman. # ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/ Options +FollowSymlinks # # httpd configuration settings for use with mailman2. # ScriptAlias /mailman2/ /usr/local/mailman2/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman2/archives/public/ Options +FollowSymlinks # # etc... === Hope that is helpful - Jon Carnes From clydec at geocities.com Tue Jan 20 20:09:20 2004 From: clydec at geocities.com (Clyde Jones) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:09:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors with htdig Message-ID: <26D22BA5-4B7C-11D8-93AE-0050E4F93017@geocities.com> Hi all I upgraded to mailman 2.1.4 and I added the indexing and htdig patches to have searchable archives. Everything seems to be working, but I keep getting this error from the nightly_htdig cron job. What am I doing wrong? DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.metaphone.db: Permission denied DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.soundex.db: Permission denied DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.metaphone.db: Permission denied DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.soundex.db: Permission denied -- "Pray to God, But Hammer Away" - Spanish Proverb Clyde Jones, Baltimore MD http://www.clydec.net From Dwight+mm-users at significant.com Tue Jan 20 21:27:38 2004 From: Dwight+mm-users at significant.com (Dwight A. Ernest) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:27:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Link to "Download full raw archive" missing Message-ID: <20040120202738.GA9930@significant.com> Greetings. I'm a sysadmin for a site with 260 lists, a total unique subscriber base of about 18,000, and a total daily traffic count of about 115,000 messages. We recently undertook an upgrde from 2.1.3 to 2.1.4. Since that upgrade, some list owners are complaining that they no longer see the 'Download full raw archive file' option on their top archive page. Indeed, the option is missing from the http://[censored]/mailman/private/[censored]/ pages of some private lists. I haven't exhaustively checked all private lists vs. public ones yet, but there appears to be a correlation. Any ideas for fixes? From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jan 20 22:06:58 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:06:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how limit traffic In-Reply-To: <20040120180248.GB20539@www.ewilts.org> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040119164408.016df008@mail.ladonegro.net> <20040120180248.GB20539@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: At 12:02 PM -0600 2004/01/20, Ed Wilts wrote: > Look at the following segment in Defaults.py: > # Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified in a single > # SMTP > # transaction. Set to 0 to submit the entire recipient list in one > # transaction. Only used with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE. > SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 Which won't work with the majority of MTAs. Most limit the maximum number of recipients per message to be something like 100 or 200. If the local MTA has been modified to have a higher limit than normal, it should deal with the issue of envelope splitting if the remote MTA has a smaller limit. The flip side of having so many recipients per message is that many mail systems will flag your messages as being spam, especially larger sites like AOL. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From mclark at cdtmail.org Tue Jan 20 22:53:08 2004 From: mclark at cdtmail.org (Michael Clark) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:53:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 Message-ID: I've upgraded our installation of Mailman to 2.1.4. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Nothing obviously wrong in the error log, or the web server log. When going to a list's admin pages, I enter the list password, then get this error. Any ideas would be appreciated. Michael >Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 > >We're sorry, we hit a bug! > >If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a >copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description >of what happened. Thanks! > >Traceback: > > >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main > main() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 200, in main > mlist.Save() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 526, in Save > self.__save(dict) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 481, in __save > fp = open(fname_tmp, 'w') >IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: >'/usr/local/mailman/lists/getnetwise-news/config.pck.tmp.www.neted.org.754' > > > > >Python information: > >Variable >Value > >sys.version >2.3.3 (#1, Jan 11 2004, 15:59:50) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux >7.2 2.96-124.7.2)] > >sys.executable >/usr/local/bin/python > >sys.prefix >/usr/local > >sys.exec_prefix >/usr/local > >sys.path >/usr/local > >sys.platform >linux2 -- Michael Clark, Webmaster Center for Democracy and Technology 1634 Eye Street NW, Suite 1100 Washington, DC 20006 voice: 202-637-9800 http://www.cdt.org/ Join our Activist Network! Your participation can make a difference! http://www.cdt.org/join/ From emechler at techometer.net Tue Jan 20 23:28:22 2004 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:28:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040120222822.GG22199@techometer.net> :: I've upgraded our installation of Mailman to 2.1.4. Sometimes it :: works, sometimes it doesn't. Nothing obviously wrong in the error :: log, or the web server log. When going to a list's admin pages, I :: enter the list password, then get this error. Have you run the check_perms script in ~mailman/bin/ ? From dennis.black at ualberta.ca Tue Jan 20 23:35:17 2004 From: dennis.black at ualberta.ca (Dennis Black) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:35:17 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how limit traffic Message-ID: <4012042A@webmail.ualberta.ca> >===== Original Message From Brad Knowles ===== >At 12:02 PM -0600 2004/01/20, Ed Wilts wrote: > >> SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 > > Which won't work with the majority of MTAs. Most limit the >maximum number of recipients per message to be something like 100 or >200. If the local MTA has been modified to have a higher limit than >normal, it should deal with the issue of envelope splitting if the >remote MTA has a smaller limit. I had what I consider, if not an interesting experience, at least a learning one recently concerning Mailman's smtp_max_rcpts. Mailman 2.0.9 (I know - I'm building another server for the latest/greatest) AIX 5.1 / RS6000 (ditto) The symptoms were happening on a list with over 6,000 subscribers, followed by the same problem on a list with over 880 addresses. The message's qfiles ".db" file was over 50,000 bytes. Each time qrunner fired up (remember, this is still the cronned qrunner), locks would be made, and the queue held up until qrunner timed out. Either that, or qrunner was terminated because Postfix would fail with a "queue file write error." Every hour and a half, the message would get 'reinjected' in the qfiles directory. I would delete the db and msg files, get the large queue mostly emptied out, but then the message would get reinjected, causing the backlog again. My temporary 'cure' was to leave the corrupt .db file in the qfiles directory. That seemed to stop that message from returning. I left the bad db file there for about a week, until the next large message/large recipient list. It started to dawn on me what the problem was, when I tried to vi the corrupt .db file, and vi gave me 'a line cannot be longer than 2048 characters.' At this point, mm_cfg.py contained the option, SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 300. If an average email address is 20 characters, and Mailman chunkifies a large group of addresses, in this case 300, that's 6000 characters. Postfix has a hard limit of 2048 characters for a line. Even dropping SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 100 would be a borderline 2000 characters, not taking into account some addresses that are over 30 characters long. The short of it is, I dropped SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 50 so Mailman chunkifies smaller, and the large lists no longer have a problem with corrupt .db files. As well, (without earlier stats to compare to) large messages to large recipient lists seem to zip through the queue faster. Example 1: Jan 14 15:59:03 2004 (17224) smtp for 6914 recips, completed in 1201.166 seconds (345 addresses/minute, primetime, large message, primarily 'outside' addresses) Jan 14 16:00:07 2004 (17228) post to [a list] from [a addy], size=38412, success Example 2: Jan 16 03:03:27 2004 (13054) smtp for 6915 recips, completed in 144.519 seconds (2882 addresses/minute, off prime, small message, primarily 'outside' addresses) Jan 16 03:03:27 2004 (13054) post to [a list] from [a addy], size=640, success Example 3: Jan 20 12:59:48 2004 (14466) smtp for 6915 recips, completed in 1125.579 seconds (368 addresses/minute, primetime, large message, primarily 'outside' addresses) Jan 20 12:59:48 2004 (14466) post to [a list] from [a addy], size=38481, success At least, that's my theory and I'm sticking to it. From mclark at cdtmail.org Tue Jan 20 23:38:49 2004 From: mclark at cdtmail.org (Michael Clark) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:38:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi again, >I've upgraded our installation of Mailman to 2.1.4. Sometimes it >works, sometimes it doesn't. Nothing obviously wrong in the error >log, or the web server log. When going to a list's admin pages, I >enter the list password, then get this error. Any ideas would be >appreciated. Michael Doh! I would have sworn in open court that I ran the check_perms script. But running it again with -f fixed the problem. Thanks for the quick responses. I greatly appreciate it. Michael -- Michael Clark, Webmaster Center for Democracy and Technology 1634 Eye Street NW, Suite 1100 Washington, DC 20006 voice: 202-637-9800 http://www.cdt.org/ Join our Activist Network! Your participation can make a difference! http://www.cdt.org/join/ From jdell at unr.edu Wed Jan 21 00:47:24 2004 From: jdell at unr.edu (John Dell) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:47:24 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] search users on moderator bit Message-ID: <200401201547.24021.jdell@unr.edu> Hi, How could I search the users of a list based on their moderator bit. I have an announce only list with about 2000 people on it. Almost all the users are moderated, but there are about 10 or so people on the list who don't have the moderator bit set and can post. Is there a way to search on this to verify who can post? I see the regex search on the membership list page, but I don't see how this can search the extra bits? Apologies if this has been answered before, but I couldn't find it. Thanks! John From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Wed Jan 21 08:14:42 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:14:42 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Errors with htdig Message-ID: <7BDA7C5A-4BE1-11D8-8388-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Clyde In your post of Tue Jan 20 2004 to mailman-users you said: > Hi all > I upgraded to mailman 2.1.4 and I added the indexing and htdig patches > to have searchable archives. Everything seems to be working, but I keep > getting this error from the nightly_htdig cron job. What am I doing > wrong? > Look under the heading "Permissions Considerations" in the INSTALL.htdig-mm file installed by the #444884 htdig integration patch. You may be encountering the issue discussed there. > > DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.metaphone.db: Permission denied > DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.soundex.db: Permission denied > DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.metaphone.db: Permission denied > DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.soundex.db: Permission denied > > -- > "Pray to God, But Hammer Away" > - Spanish Proverb > Clyde Jones, Baltimore MD http://www.clydec.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From mailman-users-list at heise.de Wed Jan 21 12:01:37 2004 From: mailman-users-list at heise.de (Michael Fischer v. Mollard) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:01:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling email commands Message-ID: <94490000.1074682897@[10.10.11.111]> Hello! In the CVS log for the email commands is stated: '- you can disable, change, or add commands on a per-list (or even per-message or per-sender) basis' Any hints on how to do that? Thanks Michael -- Michael Fischer v. Mollard, Netzwerkadministration Heise Zeitschriften Verlag GmbH & Co KG Helstorfer Stra?e 7 D-30625 Hannover Tel: +49 511 5352 477; Email: Michael.Fischer.von.Mollard at heise.de From RBRASIL at fgv.br Wed Jan 21 14:04:27 2004 From: RBRASIL at fgv.br (Rodrigo Brasil do Couto) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:04:27 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error on create a new list Message-ID: Dear friends, When I created my first list, mailman returned this error: Error: Unknown virtual host: fgvrj43.fgv.br What can I do? My mailman version is 2.1.4 Thanks for your help. ____________________________________________________________________ Rodrigo Brasil do Couto Funda??o Getulio Vargas E-mail: rbrasil at fgv.br DITI - Divis?o de Tecnologia da Informa??o Tel.: 55 21 2559-6035 Setor de Suporte de Redes Fax: 55 21 2559-6009 From remko at elvandar.org Wed Jan 21 17:12:38 2004 From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:12:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman/Postfix/Mysql Qeustion; (and qmail...a bit)(SOLVED) Message-ID: <20040121161223.855712B4D82@redqueen.elvandar.org> elvandar.org needed to be a local delivery since that seems to be my primary host. I Migrated my current users to another domain and virtual-aliased them. Now local delivery makes sure the aliases are read and the mail gets pumped into postfix/mailman. Qmail is totally gone now. Note: When turning on postfix again it made a hell lot of queries to the SQL db. it responded with too many connections, increase your max_connections when you have the same issue. Thanks all, regards, remko > Hi > > I Recently installed Mailman with Qmail, delivered with aliases using > the vdelivermail options. > > After that i migrated to postfix and SQL, Mailman migrated along, > > the only problem is that i need my delivery for mailman as vdelivermail > since it does not understand my postfix_virtual -> postfix_alias > > blabla at lists.elvandar.org -> blabla (Virtual) > blabla "| mailman commands " -> Alias > > reply: > > No such user blabla at elvandar.org, > > Is there anyone who has this problem, knows whatever i can try to get it > working with > postfix only (including delivery :) ) > > I would love to hear that from you :) > > Note: The sending from mailman using postfix works alright! :) > > Cheers > -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene From paul.williams at uwex.edu Wed Jan 21 17:25:04 2004 From: paul.williams at uwex.edu (Paul F. Williams) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:25:04 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to block spiders? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040121100920.00a8f350@imap.uwex.edu> We are running mailman-2.1.1-4 on Redhat 9. How can I block spiders from indexing the public archives on our site? Normally with an apache web server you can just place a robots.txt file in the root of the documents directory. Not sure how one might be able to do this with mailman. When you take a look at the archives for a list, one sees http://server-name/pipermail/list-name/ Since there isn't a pipermail directory, one can't just place a robots.txt file in that directory. Perhaps one could put a robots.txt file in each list directory, but that would take a lot of work with many lists and you would need to update it all the time as new lists get added. Suggestions, clarifications, or explanations are more than welcome. Thanks, paulw From skip at pobox.com Wed Jan 21 17:41:56 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:41:56 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to block spiders? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20040121100920.00a8f350@imap.uwex.edu> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040121100920.00a8f350@imap.uwex.edu> Message-ID: <16398.43988.207900.845571@montanaro.dyndns.org> Paul> Normally with an apache web server you can just place a robots.txt Paul> file in the root of the documents directory. Not sure how one Paul> might be able to do this with mailman. Paul> When you take a look at the archives for a list, one sees Paul> http://server-name/pipermail/list-name/ Paul> Since there isn't a pipermail directory, one can't just place a Paul> robots.txt file in that directory. The robots.txt file only belongs in the server root. Placing it lower in the hierarchy isn't supported, and I doubt any spiders/crawlers would look for it lower down. Instead, add a Disallow: rule which references /pipermail: User-agent: * Disallow: /pipermail/ -- Skip Montanaro Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/submit.html Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/ skip at pobox.com From greghays at webforcedesign.com Tue Jan 20 20:36:49 2004 From: greghays at webforcedesign.com (Greg Hays) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:36:49 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman. Hope you can help? Message-ID: I use the mailman list quite extensively but need to extract the email addresses to invite to another list. How do you download a text format of all the members. I have over 8000 of them.... to much to copy and paste. PLEASE HELP!!! Greg Hays President/CEO Webforce Design webforcedesign.com greghays at webforcedesign.com (630)660-5665 From marius at interexcel.co.za Tue Jan 20 14:52:15 2004 From: marius at interexcel.co.za (Marius Venter) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:52:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MODERATOR Message-ID: <20040120134140.648BD59B@mail.interexcel.co.za> When I send a message the mail goes through but it does not inform the moderator about the request, although it is set to force moderation. It also does not send the message to the members. The mail does not bounce back which means it goes somewhere. Please help Marius From jason at trommetter.org Tue Jan 20 15:52:48 2004 From: jason at trommetter.org (Jason A. Trommetter) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:52:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to use Mailman with windows 2000? Message-ID: <20040120145248.E382A7C050@server2.messagingengine.com> Mailman should play nice with cygwin which you can install on your windows 200 machine. http://www.cygwin.com/ ----- Original message ----- From: "Jon Carnes" To: "Ana" Date: 20 Jan 2004 09:38:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to use Mailman with windows 2000? On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 07:18, Ana wrote: > Hi all, > > I read in the requeriments page that Mailman currently not work on windows. > I need to now if someone manage to work it in windows and how to did it? > > Thanks in advance. > Here's the deal... You can get Mailman to work on Windows. It requires so much expertise to get it working that you might as well simply install a Linux box - on which it is trivial to install. The choice of a gnu generation is yours to make, Jon Carnes ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jasontromm at fastmailbox.net Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jasontromm%40fastmailbox.net Jason A. Trommetter (jason at trommetter.org) http://jason.trommetter.org/ "IN GOD WE TRUST" From spoilednatalie at hotmail.com Wed Jan 21 00:53:43 2004 From: spoilednatalie at hotmail.com (brat) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:53:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting unwanted messages from the archives. Message-ID: how do i erase unwanted message archives? From jon at unique-media.com Wed Jan 21 13:27:25 2004 From: jon at unique-media.com (Jon Stethridge) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:27:25 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook Message-ID: <200401211227.i0LCRlc14287@unique-vps.datagate.net.uk> Hi, I think like so many others I am effected by the from: address being incorrectly reported in Outlook. I am guessing since nothing has been posted to the list this is still a current problem. I can report that the latest version of Outlook 2003 reports: listname-bounces at mailman.server.com On behalf of name at poster.domain.com I don't really want to ditch mailman but I don't have any alternative as this is unacceptable to our customers. Any feedback on how others are dealing with this much appreciated. Cheers, Jon From mrl at psfc.mit.edu Wed Jan 21 18:16:12 2004 From: mrl at psfc.mit.edu (Mark London) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:16:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone move their mailman to different server? Message-ID: I've seen a bunch of people asking about how to do a move to a different server (with a different IP name), but no one ever answers them! Has anyone actually done it? I'm keeping the same path names for everything, but the lists don't show up on the web interface (I can create a list and that works fine). Thanks! Mark From hugo at communautique.qc.ca Wed Jan 21 18:38:25 2004 From: hugo at communautique.qc.ca (Hugo) Date: 21 Jan 2004 12:38:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem uninstalling mailman Message-ID: <1074706705.3601.2.camel@hugo_linux> hello, i install mailman from the tar file. and after reading a bit more i whant to use the rpm. but i think i better un install first, but how ???. thank your for any help Hugo From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Wed Jan 21 18:58:14 2004 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:58:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Several upgrade questions Message-ID: <20040121175814.GE23255@charite.de> I came from 2.0.x to 2.1.4: 0) Oh, it's gotten so much better now. 1) VERP is great, but can I switch it on/off on a per-list basis? 2) How frequently does the queuerunner process the bounce queue? -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - AIM. ralfpostfix From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Jan 21 18:58:51 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:58:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone move their mailman to different server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:16 PM -0500 2004/01/21, Mark London wrote: > I've seen a bunch of people asking about how to do a move to a > different server (with a different IP name), but no one ever answers > them! Has anyone actually done it? I'm keeping the same path names > for everything, but the lists don't show up on the web interface (I > can create a list and that works fine). Thanks! I'm going to be moving some lists later this month. I imagine it should be pretty easy -- I won't try to copy any of the existing mailman configuration files, merely replicate them (as appropriate) on the new server. I will also make a few modifications to them, as I set them up. For one thing, all interactions with mailman will now be SSL-encrypted. Once the lists are up and tested and shown to be running correctly, it should be a simple matter to turn off the old server, change the aliases to forward to the new one, change the MX records, turn the old server back one, and import the old archives while waiting for everyone to pick up the DNS changes. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 21 20:56:22 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 21 Jan 2004 14:56:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone move their mailman to different server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1074714982.3184.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 12:16, Mark London wrote: > I've seen a bunch of people asking about how to do a move to a > different server (with a different IP name), but no one ever answers > them! Has anyone actually done it? I'm keeping the same path names > for everything, but the lists don't show up on the web interface (I > can create a list and that works fine). Thanks! > > Mark > Mark, Many of those folks have been answered, but when the question and answer have been in the FAQ for a Long Long time, we old-time Mailman guru's often ignore the question. It's trivial to move to another server. If you keep the same domain name (and host name) it's even more trivial. If your host name changes then in version 2.1.x you need to use the Mailman command "fix_url" in conjunction with withlist: ~mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url -u If that works for you, then I challenge you to answer the next ten folks who ask it on the list. Jon Carnes From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Jan 21 21:30:17 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:30:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone move their mailman to different server? In-Reply-To: <1074714982.3184.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1074714982.3184.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: At 2:56 PM -0500 2004/01/21, Jon Carnes wrote: > If your host name changes then in version 2.1.x you need to use the > Mailman command "fix_url" in conjunction with withlist: > ~mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url -u Regrettably, this does not work for people who do not have command-line access to the system, which appears to be an increasingly common situation these days. It really would be nice to be able to get web-enabled versions of all the command-line functions that can be performed. At least that way, we shouldn't have to worry about cPanel or other virtual hosting companies causing problems for *us* when they don't provide command-line access to their clients. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From emechler at techometer.net Wed Jan 21 22:39:12 2004 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:39:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman. Hope you can help? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040121213912.GV22199@techometer.net> :: I use the mailman list quite extensively but need to extract the email :: addresses to invite to another list. How do you download a text format of :: all the members. I have over 8000 of them.... to much to copy and paste. See the ~mailman/bin/list_members script. Cheers - Erick From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Wed Jan 21 22:09:02 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:09:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook References: <200401211227.i0LCRlc14287@unique-vps.datagate.net.uk> Message-ID: "Jon Stethridge" schrieb: > I think like so many others I am effected by the from: address being > incorrectly reported in Outlook. I am guessing since nothing has been > posted to the list this is still a current problem. If it is a problem, it's not a problem with Mailman. > I can report that the > latest version of Outlook 2003 reports: > > listname-bounces at mailman.server.com On behalf of > name at poster.domain.com Ugly - but Outlook. :) > I don't really want to ditch mailman but I don't have any alternative as > this is unacceptable to our customers. Any feedback on how others are > dealing with this much appreciated. Don't use Outlook if you don't like the way it mangles From: and Sender: together. -thh From mrl at psfc.mit.edu Wed Jan 21 23:21:27 2004 From: mrl at psfc.mit.edu (Mark London) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:21:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone move their mailman to different server? In-Reply-To: <1074714982.3184.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1074714982.3184.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: At 2:56 PM -0500 1/21/04, Jon Carnes wrote: >On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 12:16, Mark London wrote: >> I've seen a bunch of people asking about how to do a move to a >> different server (with a different IP name), but no one ever answers >> them! Has anyone actually done it? I'm keeping the same path names >> for everything, but the lists don't show up on the web interface (I > > can create a list and that works fine). Thanks! > >Many of those folks have been answered, but when the question and answer >have been in the FAQ for a Long Long time, we old-time Mailman guru's >often ignore the question. > >It's trivial to move to another server. If you keep the same domain name >(and host name) it's even more trivial. > >If your host name changes then in version 2.1.x you need to use the >Mailman command "fix_url" in conjunction with withlist: > ~mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url -u Hi - THANKS! Unfortunately, that information is not in the FAQ file which comes with the source distribution. Also, the online mailman wizard basically doesn't give you that information also. The only relevant topic there is "How do I migrate a list from one box to another?", but unfortunately, the answer to that topic has never been filled in! Still under construction. Even if you do a search for fix_url, the only relevant topic is "Where can I change a list or the default URL used for the web interface?" Most of that topic talks about virtual hosts, and the information about fix_url only occurs way at the end of the answer, and only briefly described in the following sentence: "If you want to update existing lists the $prefix/bin/withlist script $prefix/bin/fix_url.py is your friend for resetting things. Just run fix_url.py to get its usage" This sentence only makes sense to me, after reading your email message! :) And then try using google to search for "moving mailman" or "move mailman" or "migrating mailman". The information about fix_url is basically not there. So basically someone finally has to answer the unanswered topic in the FAQ wizard. :) -Mark From tony at rtphokie.org Wed Jan 21 19:50:00 2004 From: tony at rtphokie.org (Tony Rice) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:50 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Perl API Message-ID: <0HRV00AL068KSF@dedicated59-bos.wh.sprintip.net> I've looked through the archives and saw the question asked but no answer. Is there a Perl API available for mailman? I'd like to integrate mailman list membership into a web app that already has an established user record for each user. ___ - Tony Rice ...... Original Message ....... On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:33:41 -0500 mailman-users-request at python.org wrote: >Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > mailman-users at python.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mailman-users-request at python.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > mailman-users-owner at python.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." > >Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: 2 mailman instances with postfix (Mike Williams) > 2. Re: How to use Mailman with windows 2000? (Szilard Vizi) > 3. Re: how limit traffic (Ed Wilts) > 4. Re: how limit traffic (Brad Knowles) > 5. RE: 2 mailman instances with postfix (Jon Carnes) > 6. Errors with htdig (Clyde Jones) > 7. Link to "Download full raw archive" missing (Dwight A. Ernest) > 8. Re: how limit traffic (Brad Knowles) > 9. Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 (Michael Clark) > 10. Re: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 (Erick Mechler) > 11. RE: how limit traffic (Dennis Black) > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From: "Mike Williams" >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: >Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:18:38 -0700 >Message-ID: <05B8B2029B20BF48AB13DEACAEE414C2056387 at ntserver.domain.local> >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] 2 mailman instances with postfix >Message: 1 > > >> I thought about using the same alias-File for all mailman >> installations..., but I don't know how mailman checks if a list >> allready exists or not. Is mailman only searching through the alias >> file to check if a list allready exists or is a database used, where >> the listnames and other things are stored. Is the alias file checked >> first and would a new list only be created, if the name for a new list >> isn't found in the alias file... >>=20 >> I think I have to take a look in the mailman code :-(. Or do you have >> anny hints? >>=20 From ldpahdoco at hotmail.com Thu Jan 22 00:56:11 2004 From: ldpahdoco at hotmail.com (Linda Pahdoco) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:56:11 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook Message-ID: If only life were that easy. So I'm supposed to tell my client "Just tell the hundreds of corporate people who belong to your mailing list to not use outlook?" We're looking for a real life answer, not a perfect world one. LP From: Thomas Hochstein To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:09:02 +0100 If it is a problem, it's not a problem with Mailman. Ugly - but Outlook. :) Don't use Outlook if you don't like the way it mangles From: and Sender: together. -tth _________________________________________________________________ There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1 From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Thu Jan 22 01:09:58 2004 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:09:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook Message-ID: <400f14d6.179.514.4@cnc.bc.ca> The link to file a bug report is here: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103 The above should be one line. I could find nothing in the archive about open bug reports on outlook and displaying addresses... File your report there. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > If only life were that easy. > > So I'm supposed to tell my client "Just tell the hundreds of > corporate people who belong to your mailing list to not use > outlook?" > > We're looking for a real life answer, not a perfect world one. > > LP > > > > From: Thomas Hochstein > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:09:02 +0100 > > > > If it is a problem, it's not a problem with Mailman. > > > > Ugly - but Outlook. :) > > > > Don't use Outlook if you don't like the way it mangles From: and > Sender: together. > > -tth > > _________________________________________________________________ > There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn > more. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1 > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: gagel at cnc.bc.ca > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gagel%40cnc.bc.ca ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From mjb at cs.utah.edu Thu Jan 22 01:23:02 2004 From: mjb at cs.utah.edu (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:23:02 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook In-Reply-To: <400f14d6.179.514.4@cnc.bc.ca> References: <400f14d6.179.514.4@cnc.bc.ca> Message-ID: <400F17E6.7050900@cs.utah.edu> > I could find nothing in the archive about open bug reports on outlook > and displaying addresses... Why would stupid behavior in Outlook be considered a mailman bug? If people want to use Microsoft's Virus Propagation Wizard to mangle their mail, that should be their problem. mjb. ---- Today's whimsy: http://www.cs.utah.edu/~mjb/mars.jpg From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jan 22 01:33:25 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:33:25 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 5:56 PM -0600 2004/01/21, Linda Pahdoco wrote: > So I'm supposed to tell my client "Just tell the hundreds of corporate > people who belong to your mailing list to not use outlook?" > > We're looking for a real life answer, not a perfect world one. If Outlook is inappropriately munging the "Sender:" and "From:" headers together, then your only option may be to change the Mailman source code so that it does not use that field. Of course, Mailman is using that field in the RFC-approved manner, as do many, many other programs in this world. I can't imagine that Mailman would be the only offender that your corporate people would complain about, and once you "fix" Mailman, what do you tell them about all the other bazillion places on the Internet that do the same thing? If you fix this one thing, they're going to expect you to fix everything else, too. Perhaps a better option would be to see if there is a way to modify Outlook so that it doesn't do this kind of stupidity, or to use the built-in scripting features to change this header to something else. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From bpratt at overflow.net.au Thu Jan 22 02:37:39 2004 From: bpratt at overflow.net.au (Brendan Pratt) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:37:39 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040122113714.02e466e0@pop3.overflow.net.au> Hi Brad, At 10:33 AM 22/01/04, you wrote: >At 5:56 PM -0600 2004/01/21, Linda Pahdoco wrote: >> So I'm supposed to tell my client "Just tell the hundreds of corporate >> people who belong to your mailing list to not use outlook?" >> We're looking for a real life answer, not a perfect world one. > I can't imagine that Mailman would be the only offender that your > corporate people would complain about, and once you "fix" Mailman, what > do you tell them about all the other bazillion places on the Internet > that do the same thing? If you fix this one thing, they're going to > expect you to fix everything else, too. Perhaps someone out there could put together a list of very specific bugs with Microsoft lookOut and lookOut Express, in a bug report format, and then place it online somewhere so that we could all direct our clients to. This way the client can then post an appropriate BUG report to microsoft in order to get them to fix up their buggy clients. All the Admins in the world can't do much, but if all our clients report via an appropriate looking BUG report format, then they can not simply ignore their BUGS anymore. > Perhaps a better option would be to see if there is a way to > modify Outlook so that it doesn't do this kind of stupidity, or to use > the built-in scripting features to change this header to something else. Not a good idea, as it will cause client troubles down the track. Keep their clients as 'standard' as possible, because a little bit of knowledge can be a very dangerous thing in the hands of some of our customers !!! :-) From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jan 22 03:13:42 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:13:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20040122113714.02e466e0@pop3.overflow.net.au> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20040122113714.02e466e0@pop3.overflow.net.au> Message-ID: At 11:37 AM +1000 2004/01/22, Brendan Pratt wrote: > Perhaps someone out there could put together a list of very specific > bugs with Microsoft lookOut and lookOut Express, in a bug report > format, and then place it online somewhere so that we could all > direct our clients to. This way the client can then post an > appropriate BUG report to microsoft in order to get them to fix up > their buggy clients. Good idea. Where are you going to put this page? > Not a good idea, as it will cause client troubles down the track. > > Keep their clients as 'standard' as possible, because a little bit > of knowledge can be a very dangerous thing in the hands of some of > our customers !!! :-) I wasn't suggesting that users be told how to do this. I was thinking that the local Outlook admin would do this for all their users, so as to protect them from further Microsoft stupidity and breakage. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From srb at umich.edu Thu Jan 22 03:27:03 2004 From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:27:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook In-Reply-To: <400f14d6.179.514.4@cnc.bc.ca> References: <400f14d6.179.514.4@cnc.bc.ca> Message-ID: <2147483647.1074720423@[192.168.1.101]> --On Wednesday, January 21, 2004 4:09 PM -0800 gagel at cnc.bc.ca wrote: > The link to file a bug report is here: > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103 > The above should be one line. > I could find nothing in the archive about open bug reports on outlook > and displaying addresses... > > File your report there. To which I reply: Why file a bug report on Mailman, when the bug is in Outhouse? -- Steve Burling University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 From srb at umich.edu Thu Jan 22 03:25:41 2004 From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:25:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2147483647.1074720341@[192.168.1.101]> --On Wednesday, January 21, 2004 5:56 PM -0600 Linda Pahdoco wrote: > If only life were that easy. > > So I'm supposed to tell my client "Just tell the hundreds of corporate > people who belong to your mailing list to not use outlook?" > > We're looking for a real life answer, not a perfect world one. To which I reply: Seems like you've got your answer. You don't like the way Mailman works with M$ Outhouse. The folks who maintain Mailman don't think it's broken, so aren't likely to fix it to work around Outhouse's perversions. If you must use Outhouse, then you probably can't use Mailman. End of story. -- Steve Burling University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 From glen at kk7ih.net Thu Jan 22 03:53:22 2004 From: glen at kk7ih.net (T. Glen Haggard) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:53:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail to Postfix Message-ID: <000901c3e092$e98a2e20$543de6ce@DUSTY> What would I have to do to switch from Sendmail to Postfix? Would have to re-install Mailman or can I just switch remove Sendmail and install Postfix? Glen From david at midrange.com Thu Jan 22 04:03:39 2004 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:03:39 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Sendmail to Postfix In-Reply-To: <000901c3e092$e98a2e20$543de6ce@DUSTY> References: <000901c3e092$e98a2e20$543de6ce@DUSTY> Message-ID: T. Glen Haggard wrote: > What would I have to do to switch from Sendmail to Postfix? Would have to > re-install Mailman or can I just switch remove Sendmail and install Postfix? Mailman doesn't really care what MTA you are using. So, yes, you should be able to just remove sendmail and install postfix and you're good to go. david From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Thu Jan 22 04:13:56 2004 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:13:56 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail to Postfix In-Reply-To: <000901c3e092$e98a2e20$543de6ce@DUSTY> References: <000901c3e092$e98a2e20$543de6ce@DUSTY> Message-ID: <400F3FF4.5090103@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> T. Glen Haggard wrote: > What would I have to do to switch from Sendmail to Postfix? Would have to > re-install Mailman or can I just switch remove Sendmail and install Postfix? > Yes. But you should read README.POSTFIX and do some post-install procedures like edit /etc/postfix/main.cf and exec bin/genaliases. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Thu Jan 22 04:16:21 2004 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:16:21 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail to Postfix In-Reply-To: <400F3FF4.5090103@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <000901c3e092$e98a2e20$543de6ce@DUSTY> <400F3FF4.5090103@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <400F4085.8000006@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > > T. Glen Haggard wrote: > >> What would I have to do to switch from Sendmail to Postfix? Would have to >> re-install Mailman or can I just switch remove Sendmail and install >> Postfix? >> > Yes. I mean NO. You don't have to re-install Mailman but ... But you should read README.POSTFIX and do some post-install > procedures like edit /etc/postfix/main.cf and exec bin/genaliases. > Sorry for confusion. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 22 04:18:20 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 21 Jan 2004 22:18:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail to Postfix In-Reply-To: <000901c3e092$e98a2e20$543de6ce@DUSTY> References: <000901c3e092$e98a2e20$543de6ce@DUSTY> Message-ID: <1074741500.3184.196.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 21:53, T. Glen Haggard wrote: > What would I have to do to switch from Sendmail to Postfix? Would have to > re-install Mailman or can I just switch remove Sendmail and install Postfix? > > > > > Glen > Postfix is pretty much a drop and insert replacement for Sendmail. You need to install Postfix, get it running as the local MTA with appropriate rights and then move your Mailman aliases over to a separate aliases file ~mailman/data/aliases that is owned by user/group mailman. Then tell Postfix about both the /etc/aliases database and the ~mailman/data/aliases database. Next you need to rerun ./configure and tell it that the mail cgi's will be run by the group "mailman" rather than "mail". ./configure --with-mail-gid=mailman Then run make install. That should update the cgi's and not disturb your lists at all. In your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file you might also want to change the value of MTA to "Postfix" so that it integrates with Postfix nicely: MTA = 'Postfix' The README.POSTFIX also has some relevant settings that will help you transition to Postfix smoothly. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 22 04:23:54 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 21 Jan 2004 22:23:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Sendmail to Postfix In-Reply-To: References: <000901c3e092$e98a2e20$543de6ce@DUSTY> Message-ID: <1074741833.3184.203.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 22:03, David Gibbs wrote: > T. Glen Haggard wrote: > > What would I have to do to switch from Sendmail to Postfix? Would have to > > re-install Mailman or can I just switch remove Sendmail and install Postfix? > > Mailman doesn't really care what MTA you are using. > > So, yes, you should be able to just remove sendmail and install postfix > and you're good to go. > > david > The only caveat to this is that Postfix will run the aliases as the user/group that owns the aliases file (normally root). If you go this route, you will have to make sure that the owner/group of the /etc/alaises file is mail/mail (or whatever Sendmail was using for its user/group). Otherwise when the Mail-cgi's are executed Mailman will see them as being run by an unauthorized user and give a warning (and no mail). Good Luck - Jon Carnes From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jan 22 04:24:26 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 04:24:26 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail to Postfix In-Reply-To: <400F4085.8000006@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <000901c3e092$e98a2e20$543de6ce@DUSTY> <400F3FF4.5090103@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <400F4085.8000006@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: At 12:16 PM +0900 2004/01/22, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > I mean NO. You don't have to re-install Mailman but ... > But you should read README.POSTFIX and do some post-install Correct. Keep in mind that postfix was designed to be as much of a drop-in replacement for sendmail as possible, at least to the degree of the interfaces, the names that binaries are called, etc.... So, you'll still have a program on your system called "sendmail", it will just point to the postfix code instead. Nevertheless, such a replacement is never 100%. You should look at the system carefully to make sure that you fully understand everything that is going on before and after the switch. Then you should look closely at the postfix documentation and make sure that you've got everything configured the way you want, because the way sendmail does most things is very, very different from the way postfix does them (at least, at the admin level). -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Thu Jan 22 05:32:47 2004 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:32:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook Message-ID: <400f526f.2ff.9ec.18731@cnc.bc.ca> I do not disagree with you. Consider this... Why would stupid corporate exec's who more often than not, throw good money after bad, change anything they are doing? Especially when Micro$cof has the market and the exec's can simply order a change to suit their concept of what might be wrong. What is wrong with the mailman authors making their product superior enough to compensate for Microdummies poor programing and faulty RFC interpretation? ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > > I could find nothing in the archive about open bug reports on > > outlook and displaying addresses... > > Why would stupid behavior in Outlook be considered a mailman bug? > If people want to use Microsoft's Virus Propagation Wizard to mangle > their mail, that should be their problem. > > mjb. > ---- > > Today's whimsy: http://www.cs.utah.edu/~mjb/mars.jpg > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: gagel at cnc.bc.ca > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gagel%40cnc.bc.ca ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From bpratt at overflow.net.au Thu Jan 22 05:48:42 2004 From: bpratt at overflow.net.au (Brendan Pratt) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:48:42 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook In-Reply-To: <400f526f.2ff.9ec.18731@cnc.bc.ca> References: <400f526f.2ff.9ec.18731@cnc.bc.ca> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040122144635.027ef020@pop3.overflow.net.au> At 02:32 PM 22/01/04, gagel at cnc.bc.ca wrote: >What is wrong with the mailman authors making their product superior >enough to compensate for Microdummies poor programing and faulty RFC >interpretation? What is wrong with this idea, is that it means Mailman is going against the RFC that it currently obeys, to work with something that is broken. What should happen is get the broken package fixed, rather than make a unbroken package broken. From eppinett at tribe.ulm.edu Thu Jan 22 05:53:01 2004 From: eppinett at tribe.ulm.edu (eppinett at tribe.ulm.edu) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:53:01 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list admin options Message-ID: <1074747181.400f572d5ccce@webmail.ulm.edu> Hello, Does mailman have a web-interface option for the list manager to mass delete all list subscribers? I know the site admin can do this from the shell command line, but I've got a new list owner that needs to frequently repopulate the list subscribers from a separate database import. I am currently running Mailman v.2.0.11 and I realize I may need to upgrade. Thanks, Chance Eppinette From AriMR at bear.com Thu Jan 22 06:00:21 2004 From: AriMR at bear.com (Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange)) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:00:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook Message-ID: > From: mailman-users-bounces+arimr=bear.com at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+arimr=bear.com at python.org]On Behalf Of > Brendan Pratt > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:49 PM > > >What is wrong with the mailman authors making their product superior > >enough to compensate for Microdummies poor programing and faulty RFC > >interpretation? > Mailman is doing the right thing, by specifying the Sender address as the list bounce address so that bounces go there, and the From: address as the author of the message. Unfortunately, Microsoft in its latest versions of Outlook has decided to show both the Sender: and the From: addresses in the From: field so that it is easier to notice spam with forged From: headers. The two desires, to have bounces go to a different address than replies and to display both the Sender address and the From: address conflict. There is no way for the Mailman developers to fix this, since if they didn't have the Sender address be the list bounce address then all of Mailman's bounce handling would no longer work, and the author of the message would get flooded with bounces that they don't care about and cant do anything about. The fix would have to be for Outlook to have an option to not display the Sender address in some cases, which is a fix that Microsoft would have to do. Sorry, but this isn't something that the Mailman developers can do anything about. Ari *********************************************************************** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *********************************************************************** From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Jan 22 07:52:42 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:52:42 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <937278A2-4CA7-11D8-8388-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On 22 Jan 2004, at 05:00, Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange) wrote: >> From: mailman-users-bounces+arimr=bear.com at python.org >> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+arimr=bear.com at python.org]On Behalf Of >> Brendan Pratt >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:49 PM >> >>> What is wrong with the mailman authors making their product superior >>> enough to compensate for Microdummies poor programing and faulty RFC >>> interpretation? >> Absolutely nothing, but note that Outlook is not RFC non-compliant on this issue; what is displayed on the applications GUI is not covered by an RFC and is a matter between the developer, their conscience, and the end user. > Mailman is doing the right thing, by specifying the Sender address as > the list bounce address so that bounces go there, and the From: address > as the author of the message. Unfortunately, Microsoft in its latest > versions of Outlook has decided to show both the Sender: and the From: I am yet to be convinced that Outlook is conflating From: and Sender: headers. I suspect it may be conflating the From: and Return-Path: content but no matter; the observation about why is spot on. > addresses in the From: field so that it is easier to notice spam with > forged From: headers. The two desires, to have bounces go to a > different > address than replies and to display both the Sender address and the > From: address conflict. > > There is no way for the Mailman developers to fix this, since if they > didn't have the Sender address be the list bounce address then all of > Mailman's bounce handling would no longer work, and the author of the > message would get flooded with bounces that they don't care about and > cant do anything about. > > The fix would have to be for Outlook to have an option to not display > the > Sender address in some cases, which is a fix that Microsoft would have > to do. > > Sorry, but this isn't something that the Mailman developers can do > anything about. > Ari > In principle I agree with this conclusion but in practice I think it may be possible to offset the problem highlighted in the original post. The post that started this thread said that Outlook is displaying something like this in the "From" field of its GUI: listname-bounces at mailman.server.com On behalf of name at poster.domain.com I suspect that what confuses/upsets/deters/induces-fear-in some Outlook users is the appearance of the string "bounces" in what is displayed; bouncing may have connotations for Outlook users which are not apparent to ordinary people and hence their concerns. But suppose that what they saw displayed was instead: listname-sender at mailman.server.com On behalf of name at poster.domain.com That is to suppose that Mailman used an alias listname-sender (or some such) instead of listname-bounces as the return path for its bounce handling. After all, MM 2.0 used listname-admin and I do not remember this causing such angst as listname-bounces has since MM 2.1 arrived. Would this defuse the objections being registered by Outlook users? If so, then what I said to Jon Stethridge in a private communication, before he set this thread running, applies: ... The best that might be otherwise be achievable would be a change in the alias used as the envelope sender from -bounces to something more palatable when it is displayed by Outlook. This would require a thorough trawl of the Mailman code to make sure this change did not lead to any undesirable side-effects. Thus far nobody has volunteered for the task and, without a confirmation from Mailman's owner Barry Warsaw that he will fold it into the Mailman source tree, I doubt anyone is likely to commit the time and effort to implement and test the solution; there is also the issue of upgrading existing installations and the acceptability of that task to the site admins. If this list's membership forged a consensus behind a manageable and relatively minor proposal to change Mailman, which did not compromise its adherence to RFCs, then maybe there is a way forward to suit most people. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From remko at elvandar.org Thu Jan 22 09:46:51 2004 From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:46:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail to Postfix In-Reply-To: <20040122031930.D171C16@mail.elvandar.org> Message-ID: <20040122084642.F2D0A2B4D7F@redqueen.elvandar.org> I think that will break, Possibly the Mailman wrapper says, hey i am started with the GID (nobody in my case) instead of mailman... please change --with-mail-gid="$PostfixGID" so that i start working. Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "nobody". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailman", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nobody' I had the same issue and that is a live example (Only i used another group) Hope this helps a bit -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens Jon Carnes Verzonden: donderdag 22 januari 2004 4:18 Aan: T. Glen Haggard CC: mailman-users at python.org Onderwerp: Re: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail to Postfix On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 21:53, T. Glen Haggard wrote: > What would I have to do to switch from Sendmail to Postfix? Would have to > re-install Mailman or can I just switch remove Sendmail and install Postfix? > > > > > Glen > Postfix is pretty much a drop and insert replacement for Sendmail. You need to install Postfix, get it running as the local MTA with appropriate rights and then move your Mailman aliases over to a separate aliases file ~mailman/data/aliases that is owned by user/group mailman. Then tell Postfix about both the /etc/aliases database and the ~mailman/data/aliases database. Next you need to rerun ./configure and tell it that the mail cgi's will be run by the group "mailman" rather than "mail". ./configure --with-mail-gid=mailman Then run make install. That should update the cgi's and not disturb your lists at all. In your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file you might also want to change the value of MTA to "Postfix" so that it integrates with Postfix nicely: MTA = 'Postfix' The README.POSTFIX also has some relevant settings that will help you transition to Postfix smoothly. Good Luck - Jon Carnes ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mailman-users%40lists.e lvandar.org _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list Mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org http://lists.elvandar.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From javier.romero at cedex.es Thu Jan 22 09:48:58 2004 From: javier.romero at cedex.es (javier) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:48:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 machines with 2 mailmans & 1nfs /archives & /lists Message-ID: <400F8E7A.4060200@cedex.es> Hi people! The two machines has the same DNSname, but diferent IP number. two mailmans are working good... you can create list from two machines... i put special attention in user and groups, and i had to change the mailman uid&gid to be the same number in 3 machines (mailman1,mailman2,NFS store). Ok, i installed two mailman first, i linked (ln -s) /archives & /lists to two NFS directories and checkperms -f to solve permision problems. This is a mailman machine (Sunfire v120, solaris 8): bash-2.03$ cd /usr/local/mailman/ bash-2.03$ ls -la total 54 drwxrwsr-x 18 mailman mailman 512 Oct 29 11:06 . drwxr-xr-x 11 root other 512 Sep 19 12:00 .. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root mailman 26 Jul 3 2003 archives -> /dirarcon/mailman/archives drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 1024 Oct 7 12:23 bin drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Oct 7 12:23 cgi-bin -rw-r----- 1 root mailman 4133 Oct 22 10:42 config.pck drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Oct 7 12:25 cron drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 2048 Nov 9 08:38 data drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Oct 7 12:23 icons lrwxrwxrwx 1 root mailman 23 Jul 3 2003 lists -> /dirarcon/mailman/lists drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Jan 22 09:45 locks drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Oct 1 08:26 logs drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Oct 7 12:23 mail drwxrwsr-x 11 root mailman 1536 Nov 3 14:20 Mailman drwxrwsr-x 24 root mailman 512 Oct 7 11:27 messages drwxrwsr-x 6 root mailman 512 Jul 1 2003 pythonlib drwxrwsr-x 11 root mailman 512 Oct 7 11:34 qfiles drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Oct 7 12:42 scripts drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Jul 1 2003 spam drwxrwsr-x 26 root mailman 512 Oct 7 11:27 templates drwxrwsr-x 4 root mailman 512 Oct 7 12:23 tests Now is fully working good, if you create a new list two machines can view them, and all is working ok since 3 months. Before this, sometimes lists got locked, but Richard gave me the fix: Richard's solution------------------------------------------------------ From a quick look at the code, I think this may happen if a message has an invalid Content-type: header of the form: Content-type: text/foo; charset= That is, it has a charset parameter but no actual value has been assigned to it. But I could be wrong. As a quick fix you could try changing line 280 of $prefix/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py from: if charset is None or charset == 'us-ascii': to: if charset is None or charset == '' or charset == 'us-ascii': If you try this hack let me know whether it works or not. I am not sure if this is the best long term fix but if it appears to work I will look at the problem a bit further. Do not forget to backup the Scrubber.py before changing it in case you have to revert to the original. Regards Richard --------------------------------------------------------------------------- i hope you enjoy this installation, it works, and if a mailman machine crash you have other machine to continue working with mailmans Regards and Thank you for your help! -- Javier Romero Casado tel.913357274 Dep. Comunicaciones CEDEX From mailman-users-list at heise.de Thu Jan 22 11:03:05 2004 From: mailman-users-list at heise.de (Michael Fischer v. Mollard) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:03:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reenable message delivery after a while Message-ID: <73220000.1074765785@[10.10.11.111]> Hello, It would be a nice feature to allow users to disable delivery for a while and automatically reenable it after the user given time (i.e. no mailinglist during holidays). Is this possible with Mailman? Thanks MFvM -- Michael Fischer v. Mollard, network administration Heise Zeitschriften Verlag GmbH & Co KG Helstorfer Stra?e 7 D-30625 Hannover Tel: +49 511 5352 477; Email: Michael.Fischer.von.Mollard at heise.de From Martin.Hugo at wilmington.k12.oh.us Thu Jan 22 13:25:12 2004 From: Martin.Hugo at wilmington.k12.oh.us (Martin Hugo) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:25:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook Message-ID: <1EA9A124E27E9D4A8FBA16822ACF6DB92E8D27@wcsmail2.wcs.wilmington.k12.oh.us> We use Outlook 2002 and all the messages I receive (from this and our own lists) have the from field correctly reported as the sender. Either something has been changed in Outlook 2003 or there is a machine configuration problem either on the recipients machine or the senders. HTH Marty -----Original Message----- From: Jon Stethridge [mailto:jon at unique-media.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:27 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook Hi, I think like so many others I am effected by the from: address being incorrectly reported in Outlook. I am guessing since nothing has been posted to the list this is still a current problem. I can report that the latest version of Outlook 2003 reports: listname-bounces at mailman.server.com On behalf of name at poster.domain.com I don't really want to ditch mailman but I don't have any alternative as this is unacceptable to our customers. Any feedback on how others are dealing with this much appreciated. Cheers, Jon ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: martin.hugo at wilmington.k12.oh.us Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/martin.hugo%40wilmi ngton.k12.oh.us From croc at canada.com Thu Jan 22 13:53:56 2004 From: croc at canada.com (Croc) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:53:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Intro/Question About Attachements Message-ID: <20040122125334.KMYX3191.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@maino312uyfxos> Hello, First, my name, or I should say nick name is Croc. I am new to the list. I run a couple of Mailman driven mailing lists. I am baffled by some of the features/options. I joined this list because I am hoping to have some things simplified for me. And who knows :), maybe I will be of help to others. Todays guestion is about attachments. It seems when subscribers send email to the list they have an attachment. It shows up as something like ATT00019.txt(280 B) Inside the attachment is the list name, the email address to write to and the address of the info page for the list. I look forward to learning more about how the program works and getting to know some of you. Thanks, Croc croc at NOSPAMcanada.com Remove NOSPAM to email me privately From Martin.Hugo at wilmington.k12.oh.us Thu Jan 22 14:02:27 2004 From: Martin.Hugo at wilmington.k12.oh.us (Martin Hugo) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:02:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Intro/Question About Attachements Message-ID: <1EA9A124E27E9D4A8FBA16822ACF6DB92E8D28@wcsmail2.wcs.wilmington.k12.oh.us> Hi Croc: I think I am right in saying that the attachment you see is what happens when someone sends an RTF or HTML formatted email to the list and the list is set to send text emails; it attaches the "signature" file to the email. I could be wrong, I'm no expert, but experiment with changing the mail format of both the sender and the list and see what happens (and let me know when you find out ). HTH Marty -----Original Message----- From: Croc [mailto:croc at canada.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:54 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Intro/Question About Attachements Hello, First, my name, or I should say nick name is Croc. I am new to the list. I run a couple of Mailman driven mailing lists. I am baffled by some of the features/options. I joined this list because I am hoping to have some things simplified for me. And who knows :), maybe I will be of help to others. Todays guestion is about attachments. It seems when subscribers send email to the list they have an attachment. It shows up as something like ATT00019.txt(280 B) Inside the attachment is the list name, the email address to write to and the address of the info page for the list. I look forward to learning more about how the program works and getting to know some of you. Thanks, Croc croc at NOSPAMcanada.com Remove NOSPAM to email me privately ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: martin.hugo at wilmington.k12.oh.us Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/martin.hugo%40wilmi ngton.k12.oh.us From r2d2 at yebo.co.za Thu Jan 22 15:41:53 2004 From: r2d2 at yebo.co.za (JvdW) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:41:53 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOST_NAME not working Message-ID: <20040122164153.0667c177.r2d2@yebo.co.za> Hi All I have just installed Mailman V2.1.4 with postfix 2.0.17 and Apache 1.3.29. and all works fine except the "Host name this list prefers for email." part. I'm running another server with Mailman V2.1.1. I've set DEFAULT_HOST_NAME in ../mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py to DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'name.domain.com'. This works perfectly well in V2.1.1, but in V2.1.4 it still defaults to domain.com when creating a new list. I then have to go in the list config via http to change it, but I need to have this done by default. Am I missing something? What else can I try? Thanks! Cheers JvdW From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jan 22 15:08:38 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:08:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook In-Reply-To: <400f526f.2ff.9ec.18731@cnc.bc.ca> References: <400f526f.2ff.9ec.18731@cnc.bc.ca> Message-ID: At 8:32 PM -0800 2004/01/21, gagel at cnc.bc.ca wrote: > What is wrong with the mailman authors making their product superior > enough to compensate for Microdummies poor programing and faulty RFC > interpretation? Mailman is a volunteer project. Volunteers will work on the sorts of things that they find personally interesting. If you want to find money to pay for the kinds of changes you want to have made, you are free to do that. Otherwise, when it comes to things like violations of the RFCs and violations of the common usage across the entire rest of the Internet, you may well be left waiting a very long time. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jan 22 15:14:17 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:14:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:00 AM -0500 2004/01/22, Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange) wrote: > There is no way for the Mailman developers to fix this, since if they > didn't have the Sender address be the list bounce address then all of > Mailman's bounce handling would no longer work, and the author of the > message would get flooded with bounces that they don't care about and > cant do anything about. The "Sender:" header field is not used in bounces. The envelope sender information is used in bounces. It so happens that Mailman is recording the envelope sender information in the "Sender:" field, but it could always do that in a different field. Mailman would simply need to be programmed to detect that information in a different field. Nevertheless, this is common usage for the "Sender:" field, according to the RFCs and the typical usage on the entire rest of the Internet. Fixing Mailman will not fix the entire rest of the Internet. Try fixing the broken client instead. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jan 22 15:19:01 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:19:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook In-Reply-To: <937278A2-4CA7-11D8-8388-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> References: <937278A2-4CA7-11D8-8388-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: At 6:52 AM +0000 2004/01/22, Richard Barrett wrote: > If this list's membership forged a consensus behind a manageable and > relatively minor proposal to change Mailman, which did not compromise > its adherence to RFCs, then maybe there is a way forward to suit most > people. This still doesn't fix the entire rest of the Internet, or all the other multitudes of Mailman installations. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From edc at proadmin.com Thu Jan 22 17:15:49 2004 From: edc at proadmin.com (Eric D. Christensen) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:15:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] python regex help Message-ID: <1074788149.25885.28.camel@o3> Maybe I'm just clueless, but I'm having a bit of trouble getting header_filter_rules working. Before I go searching deeper, I want to make sure my python regex is correct. I'm not much of a python hack... The regex I've got in header_filter_rules is: ^Subject: \[SPAM\] An example header line that this should catch, but doesn't is: Subject: [SPAM] (9.10/5.00) Settlement Notice Obviously, I'm trying to catch messages that the MTA has already tagged as spam via SpamAssassin and discard them. But they get trapped and held as "Post by non-member to a members-only list" just like if I didin't have anything in the header_filter_rules. Either my regex isn't matching the way I understand python regex's to work (which is entirely based on a quick scan of the manpage), or the "non-member" filter is triggering before the SpamDetect handler for some reason. Sadly, the debug capabilities with the new header_filter_rules feature as of 2.1.4 are pretty limited (nonexistent). I've modified logging a bit to at least log something meaningful in vette when there is a match, but I can't seem to get anything to match to verify that even that is working. -- Eric D. Christensen Proadmin, Inc. From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Thu Jan 22 17:28:29 2004 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:28:29 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook Message-ID: <400ffa2d.25.a80.27879@cnc.bc.ca> See below: ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > At 02:32 PM 22/01/04, gagel at cnc.bc.ca wrote: > > > >What is wrong with the mailman authors making their product > superior >enough to compensate for Microdummies poor programing and > faulty RFC >interpretation? > > > What is wrong with this idea, is that it means Mailman is going > against the RFC that it currently obeys, to work with something > that is broken. > > What should happen is get the broken package fixed, rather than make > a unbroken package broken. I agree, in a perfect and ideal world that is what should happen. Unfortunatly for all of us, we don't live in it. I have no issue with a position that says "we won't change it to work with a broken client", nor with a position that says "we will change it to compensate for Outlooks defects". I just think its sad that Mailman may be tossed because of a hardline position, thats all. At any rate, I get to much email from my lists. Lets kill this off as Off Topic. ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Thu Jan 22 17:38:05 2004 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (gagel at cnc.bc.ca) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:38:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook Message-ID: <400ffc6d.31d.a74.29770@cnc.bc.ca> I should read all mail before sending I suppose. Thanks Ari for your explanation. It works for me... ----- Original Message Follows ----- -snip- > Mailman is doing the right thing, by specifying the Sender address -snip- > There is no way for the Mailman developers to fix this, since if -snip- > The fix would have to be for Outlook to have an option to not -snip- > Sorry, but this isn't something that the Mailman developers can do > anything about. Ari ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From jesse at skybuilders.com Thu Jan 22 18:18:17 2004 From: jesse at skybuilders.com (Jesse Burkhardt) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:18:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm_cfg.py file settings not seeming to take hold Message-ID: <401005D9.7070400@skybuilders.com> It seems to me that mm_cfg.py file settings are not taking hold. I have appended the following to my mm_cfg.py file, as per the INSTALL doc - I am successfully running Mailman 2.1.2: -------- snip --------- ################################################## # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. # Added by JSB MTA = None DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailman.skybuilders.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mailman.skybuilders.com' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) -------- snip --------- This is a valid A rec, resolving to the same IP as our FQDN host name for the Mailman server (which is servicesa.skybuilders.com). There is no change in the original URLs and host names visible after restarting associated services, as they appear in the Mailman subscription notices. I would appreicate it greatly if someone could tell me what I am missing. Thanks. -- Jesse Burkhardt, Cambridge MA jesse at skybuilders.com (w) 617-876-5680 goose at aerogoose.com (h) 617-354-5523 From jesse at skybuilders.com Thu Jan 22 18:23:52 2004 From: jesse at skybuilders.com (Jesse Burkhardt) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:23:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple virtual hosts Message-ID: <40100728.5050807@skybuilders.com> Also, continuing on from my previous post, does anyone know how to make various virtual hosts appear as the unique host name when in use in a specific list. I am supporting various lists, each associated with a different domain, but all supported on the same Mailman server. I would like each list to have its own URL and HOST references. I have created various subdomains in the form of lists.domain1.com, lists.domain2.com, etc. Each of these subdomains has IP A recs resolving to the same Mailman server. Naturally I would like each list to use the associated subdomain reference as its particular URL base and HOST name. Any ideas? Thanks. -- Jesse Burkhardt, Cambridge MA jesse at skybuilders.com (w) 617-876-5680 goose at aerogoose.com (h) 617-354-5523 From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Jan 22 18:52:00 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:52:00 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook In-Reply-To: <1EA9A124E27E9D4A8FBA16822ACF6DB92E8D27@wcsmail2.wcs.wilmington.k12.oh.us> References: <1EA9A124E27E9D4A8FBA16822ACF6DB92E8D27@wcsmail2.wcs.wilmington.k12.oh.us> Message-ID: On 22 Jan 2004, at 12:25, Martin Hugo wrote: > We use Outlook 2002 and all the messages I receive (from this and our > own lists) have the from field correctly reported as the sender. > Either > something has been changed in Outlook 2003 or there is a machine > configuration problem either on the recipients machine or the senders. > The phenomenon has been observed and reported before by a number of list subscribers and does not appear to be a matter of user misconfiguration of Outlook nor admin misconfiguration of Mailman. If you can add your insights as to which versions of Outlook display or not this characteristic to the FAQ page extant on this topic, it would be useful for other users: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp > HTH > > Marty > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Stethridge [mailto:jon at unique-media.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:27 AM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook > > > Hi, > > I think like so many others I am effected by the from: address being > incorrectly reported in Outlook. I am guessing since nothing has been > posted to the list this is still a current problem. I can report that > the latest version of Outlook 2003 reports: > > listname-bounces at mailman.server.com On behalf of > name at poster.domain.com > > I don't really want to ditch mailman but I don't have any alternative > as > this is unacceptable to our customers. Any feedback on how others are > dealing with this much appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Jon > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From paul at thcwd.com Thu Jan 22 20:12:58 2004 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:12:58 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: From field displayed by MS Outlook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040122130827.02368a70@mail.thcwd.com> gagel wrote: >What is wrong with the mailman authors making their product superior >enough to compensate for Microdummies poor programing and faulty RFC >interpretation? 1) It's a moving target. 2) Fixing their non-standard way of dealing with things could cause problem for systems that actually do things right. 3) If you starve the 800 gorilla is will become a 98 pound weakling. <>< Paul From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Jan 22 21:39:19 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:39:19 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook In-Reply-To: References: <937278A2-4CA7-11D8-8388-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <0DC1EA5A-4D1B-11D8-A859-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On 22 Jan 2004, at 14:19, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 6:52 AM +0000 2004/01/22, Richard Barrett wrote: > >> If this list's membership forged a consensus behind a manageable and >> relatively minor proposal to change Mailman, which did not compromise >> its adherence to RFCs, then maybe there is a way forward to suit most >> people. > > This still doesn't fix the entire rest of the Internet, or all the > other multitudes of Mailman installations. > And I did not say it would. Nor is it necessary to so do. Outlook is not wrong and nor is Mailman. Its just that some users are confused by what they see and some mailing list admins are equally confused about why their users are confused. What I was trying to suggest was that: 1. given that a very popular MUA displays a field on its graphical interface which is the conflation of the values of the Sender: and From: headers in messages it is processing. 2. because of an arbitrary choice by Mailman's developer's, aliases of the form listname-bounces are used in the SMTP reverse path and in the Sender: header of outgoing messages from the list management software. 3. because naive users, unschooled in the ways of RFCs and mail handling, are confused when presented by Outlook with the contents of the Sender: header generated by Mailman. it might ameliorate the users confusion by adopting a different and less confusing alias to be used in the message's Sender: header and reverse path. There is also the alternative of applying the hack I posted here on 2003/02/07: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp What the hell. I do not really care about the problem per se - my subscribers are not complaining - nor can I be bothered any more to argue the toss with you guys about it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From jordan at JMACA.JTE.OSD.MIL Thu Jan 22 22:08:14 2004 From: jordan at JMACA.JTE.OSD.MIL (Jordan, Jack) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:08:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error Creating Mailing Lists on Local Computer Message-ID: When I attempt to create a new mailing list at http://localhost/create I receive the following error: Error: You are not authorized to create new mailing lists I'm running mailman on RH9. Thanks From barry at python.org Thu Jan 22 22:26:18 2004 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:26:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook In-Reply-To: <0DC1EA5A-4D1B-11D8-A859-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> References: <937278A2-4CA7-11D8-8388-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> <0DC1EA5A-4D1B-11D8-A859-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <1074806778.31285.97.camel@anthem> On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 15:39, Richard Barrett wrote: > And I did not say it would. Nor is it necessary to so do. Outlook is > not wrong and nor is Mailman. Its just that some users are confused by > what they see and some mailing list admins are equally confused about > why their users are confused. That's good, because I'm confused about why those users are confused too! Is it just that they're seeing stuff in the From field that they're not used to seeing? But let's examine the use of the Sender field in the first place. RFC 2822 says that "sender MUST occur with multi-address from". Well, generally the From header just contains the address of the poster. Even when we anonymize it, there will normally be just one address in the >From header. RFC 2822 goes on to explain the intended use of the originator fields in section 3.2.6. Quoting: The "Sender:" field specifies the mailbox of the agent responsible for the actual transmission of the message. For example, if a secretary were to send a message for another person, the mailbox of the secretary would appear in the "Sender:" field and the mailbox of the actual author would appear in the "From:" field. Who's the agent responsible for the actual transmission of the message? Is Mailman acting as this agent? Arguably not. If we interpret things this way, then Mailman shouldn't be adding any Sender header. Bounces /should/ still go to the right place because that will always be specified as the envelope sender, i.e. the SMTP MAIL FROM: address. Some remote MTAs may do the wrong thing when it sees messages for which we haven't munged Sender, but then that wouldn't be Mailman's problem would it? Perhaps the right fix for Mailman is to not touch the Sender header at all. If one is there, leave it. If not, don't add one. This makes me nervous though because maybe the voodoo about Sender and bounce backs is correct. One other thing. Mailman also adds an Errors-To header with the same envelope sender address. Errors-To isn't described in RFC 2822, and it's described as non-standard, discouraged in RFC 2076. This latter recommends Return-Path instead, so even there maybe Mailman isn't doing quite the right thing. (It's not clear to me whether Outlook is conflating From and Return-Path also, though.) If you want to play with this, then patch Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py. Look down at the bulkdeliver() function. You could try commenting out the "del msg['sender']" line and "msg['Sender'] = envsender" line. Also try changing the Errors-To fields to Return-Path. See comments I just added to the file in CVS. If you do try this, please report back here with your results. Are the various Outlooken behaving in a less confusing way? Are your bounces still going to the right place? For VERPs and non-VERPs? (This might be hard to tell, due to the plethora of mail servers out there.) -Barry From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jan 22 22:48:31 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:48:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook In-Reply-To: <1074806778.31285.97.camel@anthem> References: <937278A2-4CA7-11D8-8388-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> <0DC1EA5A-4D1B-11D8-A859-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> <1074806778.31285.97.camel@anthem> Message-ID: At 4:26 PM -0500 2004/01/22, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Who's the agent responsible for the actual transmission of the message? > Is Mailman acting as this agent? Arguably not. I disagree. I believe that this is exactly the role that Mailman is fulfilling. > One other thing. Mailman also adds an Errors-To header with the same > envelope sender address. Errors-To isn't described in RFC 2822, and > it's described as non-standard, discouraged in RFC 2076. This latter > recommends Return-Path instead, so even there maybe Mailman isn't doing > quite the right thing. (It's not clear to me whether Outlook is > conflating From and Return-Path also, though.) However, you're not taking into account the fact that the MTAs almost always ensure that there is a correct "Return-Path:" header, and will in fact wipe out any "Return-Path:" header that might have previously existed. However, this won't happen with the "Errors-To:" header, which is largely used by older and obsolete MTAs which don't know about "Return-Path:". In this case, I disagree with the RFCs, at least so far as this issue pertains to Mailman -- these rules are meant for MTAs and not MLMs. It is highly unlikely to cause any harm for Mailman to use "Errors-To:", and is likely to help when the messages are processed by older and obsolete MTAs. Moreover, it is useful to the rest of us, because more modern MTAs will ignore it and yet it will still provide potentially useful information. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com Thu Jan 22 23:36:08 2004 From: paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com (Paulo Dinis) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:36:08 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] personalization - take 2 In-Reply-To: <1074806778.31285.97.camel@anthem> Message-ID: Hello, I have a problem in version 2.1.3. Footer added to mail sent to regular list members, and I have mine like this : _______________________________________________ %(real_name)s mailing list - F?rum de SHST Para enviar mensagens para o f?rum use este endere?o : %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s P?gina do f?rum : %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Actualize a sua inscri??o neste local : %(user_optionsurl)s Esta mensagem foi enviada para o seguinte endere?o %(user_address)s When i hit submit changes i get this error : " Warning: The following illegal substitution variables were found in the msg_footer string: user_address, user_optionsurl Your list may not operate properly until you correct this problem. I have removed the string?s that include user_address and user_optionsurl until I get some help." I guess I?m at the right place for that... Cumprimentos, Paulo Dinis T?cnico Superior de HST Ergonomista Consultor/Formador de HST Auditor OSHAS 18001 / NP 4397 Ergolist List Owner Email : mailto:paulodinis at paulodinis.com www.paulodinis.com Webmaster From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Thu Jan 22 23:48:12 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:48:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] personalization - take 2 In-Reply-To: References: <1074806778.31285.97.camel@anthem> Message-ID: <20040122224812.GX13633@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paulo Dinis wrote: > I have a problem in version 2.1.3. > Footer added to mail sent to regular list members, and I have mine like this > : > > > _______________________________________________ > %(real_name)s mailing list - F?rum de SHST > Para enviar mensagens para o f?rum use este endere?o : > %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s > P?gina do f?rum : %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > Actualize a sua inscri??o neste local : %(user_optionsurl)s > Esta mensagem foi enviada para o seguinte endere?o %(user_address)s > When i hit submit changes i get this error : > " > Warning: The following illegal substitution variables were found in the > msg_footer string: user_address, user_optionsurl Your list may not operate > properly until you correct this problem. I have removed the string?s that > include user_address and user_optionsurl until I get some help." Is the personalization option turned on for this list? If it is not, then you will get an error like this when you try to add personalized variables to the footer. It can be set to either Yes or Full two blocks above the footer option block on the non-digest options page. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== To err is human; to blame it on somebody else is even more human. -- John Nadeau -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFAEFMruv+09NZUB1oRAhMDAKCXrPiXLCLW2WLFZUb5/RHFoZfyRACeKzX8 IU7TF/WkJOJDoHFv6mW89W4= =CXvv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From barry at python.org Fri Jan 23 00:03:04 2004 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:03:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook In-Reply-To: References: <937278A2-4CA7-11D8-8388-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> <0DC1EA5A-4D1B-11D8-A859-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> <1074806778.31285.97.camel@anthem> Message-ID: <1074812583.31285.142.camel@anthem> On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 16:48, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 4:26 PM -0500 2004/01/22, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > > Who's the agent responsible for the actual transmission of the message? > > Is Mailman acting as this agent? Arguably not. > > I disagree. I believe that this is exactly the role that Mailman > is fulfilling. All I'm saying is that to me, the standards are unclear here. Not surprising, since this isn't the first time mailing list management issues have exposed ambiguities in the RFCs. The language in RFC 2822 seems to imply that Sender is the human agent injecting the message into the network. We're in the situation of actually re-injecting the original message into the network, so would the original agent be the Sender or Mailman? This ties into the discussions we had earlier about munging Message-ID. Is Mailman within its rights to munge it, given that what comes into Mailman and what goes out aren't exact copies, but these changes may not meet the test of "subsequent revisions". I actually don't think given the current slew of RFCs, that there's a right answer. Pragmatically there are probably not-so-bad and worse answers though. :) > However, you're not taking into account the fact that the MTAs > almost always ensure that there is a correct "Return-Path:" header, > and will in fact wipe out any "Return-Path:" header that might have > previously existed. > > However, this won't happen with the "Errors-To:" header, which is > largely used by older and obsolete MTAs which don't know about > "Return-Path:". I hadn't thought about that. > In this case, I disagree with the RFCs, at least so far as this > issue pertains to Mailman -- these rules are meant for MTAs and not > MLMs. > > It is highly unlikely to cause any harm for Mailman to use > "Errors-To:", and is likely to help when the messages are processed > by older and obsolete MTAs. Moreover, it is useful to the rest of > us, because more modern MTAs will ignore it and yet it will still > provide potentially useful information. Agreed. -Barry From paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com Fri Jan 23 00:48:29 2004 From: paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com (Paulo Dinis) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:48:29 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] personalization - take 2 In-Reply-To: <20040122224812.GX13633@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: I?ve been trying to fix this for several weeks. No luck with this. Giving up. Anyway thanks for all inputs. Cumprimentos, Paulo Dinis T?cnico Superior de HST Ergonomista Consultor/Formador de HST Auditor OSHAS 18001 / NP 4397 Ergolist List Owner Email : mailto:paulodinis at paulodinis.com -----Original Message----- From: Todd [mailto:Freedom_Lover at pobox.com] Sent: quinta-feira, 22 de Janeiro de 2004 22:48 To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] personalization - take 2 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paulo Dinis wrote: > I have a problem in version 2.1.3. > Footer added to mail sent to regular list members, and I have mine like this > : > > > _______________________________________________ > %(real_name)s mailing list - F?rum de SHST > Para enviar mensagens para o f?rum use este endere?o : > %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s > P?gina do f?rum : %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > Actualize a sua inscri??o neste local : %(user_optionsurl)s > Esta mensagem foi enviada para o seguinte endere?o %(user_address)s > When i hit submit changes i get this error : > " > Warning: The following illegal substitution variables were found in the > msg_footer string: user_address, user_optionsurl Your list may not operate > properly until you correct this problem. I have removed the string?s that > include user_address and user_optionsurl until I get some help." Is the personalization option turned on for this list? If it is not, then you will get an error like this when you try to add personalized variables to the footer. It can be set to either Yes or Full two blocks above the footer option block on the non-digest options page. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== To err is human; to blame it on somebody else is even more human. -- John Nadeau -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFAEFMruv+09NZUB1oRAhMDAKCXrPiXLCLW2WLFZUb5/RHFoZfyRACeKzX8 IU7TF/WkJOJDoHFv6mW89W4= =CXvv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/paulo.dinis%40paulodinis.com From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Jan 23 01:01:44 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:01:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] personalization - take 2 In-Reply-To: References: <20040122224812.GX13633@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20040123000144.GY13633@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Paulo, Paulo Dinis wrote: > Thank's for your responde. Where can I do this ? > > " Is the personalization option turned on for this list? If it is > not, then you will get an error like this when you try to add > personalized variables to the footer. It can be set to either Yes > or Full two blocks above the footer option block on the non-digest > options page." As I said, you would set this just above where you set the list footer on the non-digest options page. The section states: "Should Mailman personalize each non-digest delivery? This is often useful for announce-only lists, but read the details section for a discussion of important performance issues." Also, please reply to the list so that the answers will be in the archive for others to benefit from in the future. Hope this helps, - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== I want to be the white man's brother, not his brother-in-law. -- Martin Luther King, Jr. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFAEGRouv+09NZUB1oRAj9hAKDr0c/QTXdLMSuIYMWbNd77n0z0cQCeMIy3 JUKbHn0rbmWL4eeDt/HR8h4= =Mkrh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From paul at thcwd.com Fri Jan 23 01:02:41 2004 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:02:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content Filters hate html? Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040122174147.07f65b80@mail.themarriagebed.com> I've tried this every way I can think of, and can not get it. Please don't tell me html e-mail is of the evil one - it's what the user wants. I need for html formatted text to go through, but images to be rejected. The only way I have been able to get html to pass is by turning off filtering compleat. Mailman version 2.1.2 in all tests: Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the settings below? is set to yes Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? is set to no. Remove message attachments that have a matching content type = image ---- test one: Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type = multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain text/html this result in a plain text message. The headers show: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed But when the exact same message is sent with filtering off it shows: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; ---- test two: Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type = blank field this results in a plain text message, with the header: X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.2 ---- It appears that turning the filters on removes all html formatting regardless of how the filters are set. Is there a way around this? <>< Paul From chris.a.adams at state.or.us Fri Jan 23 01:49:40 2004 From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:49:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin interface question References: <005101c3dee2$cbbb22c0$873dc343@S0026976057> Message-ID: <002901c3e14a$c87e5d60$0b7a799f@chris> You need to fetch the config file for the list using the config_list command. Here's what to do: 1. config_list -o outputfile.txt listname This gets the configuration list for the list and writes it to a file names outputfile.txt 2. Edit outputfile.txt and add the following: admin_member_chunksize = 75 (or other number, depending on how many you want to show) 3. config_list -i outputfile.txt listname This uploads and overwrites the list configuration with the changes you have made. Christopher Adams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Ernst" To: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:20 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin interface question > My admin interface membership list shows only a small number of members at a > time. Is there any way to get it to show me the whole list (over 1000 > members)? > > peace, > ted > ___ > Humanize the Earth! http://www.chicagohumanist.org http://www.tedernst.com > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: chris.a.adams at state.or.us > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/chris.a.adams%40state.or.us From mark at pdc-racing.net Fri Jan 23 01:53:51 2004 From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:53:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTDig is the biggest POS Message-ID: <9C7487D8-4D3E-11D8-99F9-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net> So I'm using Mailman 2.1.4 with Mr. Barrett's excellent htdig patches and things were good. My users love it. Then I made the (forced) migration yesterday from RedHat9 to RedHat Enterprise Linux ES 3.1 (thanks RedHat ). Now I get a segmentation fault from htfuzzy every time nightly_htdig runs. Whether run from cron as user mailman or run manually as root. Doesn't matter. This is htdig 3.1.6, BTW. Running "htfuzzy metaphone" manually as root produces an instant segmentation fault. I checked all the permissions and everything looks good. Anyone got a guess what's happening here? I Googled the hell out of this issue and found lots of people with the same problem, but no proposed solutions. Anyone? Anyone? Buehler? Anyone? - Mark, thinks htdig sucks because searchable archives is the only thing that breaks with *every* OS upgrade ----- mark at pdc-racing.net From trumpet at trumpetmarketing.net Fri Jan 23 03:30:35 2004 From: trumpet at trumpetmarketing.net (Laurie Williams) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:30:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce only? Message-ID: How do I set my mailing list to "ANNOUNCE ONLY". I don't want members to be able to send to the list. Only messages from admin/moderator. Thanks in advance for your help! Trumpet From davidboothe at yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 03:38:44 2004 From: davidboothe at yahoo.com (David A Boothe) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:38:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow mail sending Message-ID: <20040123023844.94159.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> I have mailman 2.1.3 on a RedHat 9.x, Apache, cPanel box. Onw of my users has a mailing list set up with about 5000 subscribers. When he sends out mail it queues up in lots that look to be about 500 - 100 addresses each. Some of the lots will send right away while others will sit in the mail queue for several hours and even at times for several days before being delivered. Is this typical behavior of mailman? Could it be releated to mailiman in any way? Is there a way to prevent this lang delay in sending out list mail? Thanks, DB --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! From reeprflame at lifeonedge.com Fri Jan 23 03:55:41 2004 From: reeprflame at lifeonedge.com (ReeprFlame) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:55:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] New install errors...Cron and mm_cfg.py Message-ID: <4626.67.80.41.113.1074826541.squirrel@ww2.lifeonedge.com> I have just installed Mailman several times (2.0.13). to try to solve problems. Here are the 2 that i get every minute that i cannot seem to solve. This add_vh is really gettin annoyin too as it seems to stay weather i delete the line or not in mm_cfg.py... here's the first error: _________________________________ Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/gate_news ---------- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 39, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg File "/var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 49, in ? add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST,DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) NameError: name 'add_virtualhost' is not defined ________________________________ The second Error: ________________________________ Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner ------- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 83, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg File "/var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 49, in ? add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST,DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) NameError: name 'add_virtualhost' is not defined ________________________________ and just in case here's the mm_cfg.py file: _______________________ >From a brand new distribution it should be copied to mm_cfg.py. If you already have an mm_cfg.py, be careful to add in only the new settings you want. Mailman's installation procedure will never overwrite your mm_cfg.py file. The complete set of distributed defaults, with documentation, are in the file Defaults.py. In mm_cfg.py, override only those you want to change, after the from Defaults import * line (see below). Note that these are just default settings; many can be overridden via the administrator and user interfaces on a per-list or per-user basis. """ ############################################### # Here's where we get the distributed defaults. from Defaults import * ################################################## # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. DEFAULT_URL_HOST='ww2.lifeonedge.com' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST='lifeonedge.com' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST,DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) __________________ __________________ -Andrew Ragone Kc2LTO lifeonedge.com From paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com Fri Jan 23 03:55:26 2004 From: paulo.dinis at paulodinis.com (Paulo Dinis) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:55:26 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] personalization - take 2 In-Reply-To: <20040123000144.GY13633@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: As suggested, the only 3 options available are: 1 - Can subscribers choose to receive mail immediately, rather than in batched digests? 2 - Header added to mail sent to regular list members 3 - Footer added to mail sent to regular list members None is available to turn on/off the option to "The section states: "Should Mailman personalize each non-digest delivery? " I?m using cpanel and version 2.1.3. Paulo Dinis Certified Safety Tecnician Ergonomist Website : http://www.paulodinis.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Todd [mailto:Freedom_Lover at pobox.com] Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Janeiro de 2004 0:02 To: Paulo Dinis Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] personalization - take 2 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Paulo, Paulo Dinis wrote: > Thank's for your responde. Where can I do this ? > > " Is the personalization option turned on for this list? If it is > not, then you will get an error like this when you try to add > personalized variables to the footer. It can be set to either Yes > or Full two blocks above the footer option block on the non-digest > options page." As I said, you would set this just above where you set the list footer on the non-digest options page. The section states: "Should Mailman personalize each non-digest delivery? This is often useful for announce-only lists, but read the details section for a discussion of important performance issues." Also, please reply to the list so that the answers will be in the archive for others to benefit from in the future. Hope this helps, - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== I want to be the white man's brother, not his brother-in-law. -- Martin Luther King, Jr. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFAEGRouv+09NZUB1oRAj9hAKDr0c/QTXdLMSuIYMWbNd77n0z0cQCeMIy3 JUKbHn0rbmWL4eeDt/HR8h4= =Mkrh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jan 23 04:15:08 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:15:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce only? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 9:30 PM -0500 2004/01/22, Laurie Williams wrote: > How do I set my mailing list to "ANNOUNCE ONLY". I don't want members to be > able to send to the list. Only messages from admin/moderator. See . -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jan 23 04:20:59 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:20:59 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow mail sending In-Reply-To: <20040123023844.94159.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040123023844.94159.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 6:38 PM -0800 2004/01/22, David A Boothe wrote: > Is this typical behavior of mailman? Could it be releated to mailiman > in any way? Is there a way to prevent this lang delay in sending out > list mail? See . See also . -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jan 23 04:22:32 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:22:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New install errors...Cron and mm_cfg.py In-Reply-To: <4626.67.80.41.113.1074826541.squirrel@ww2.lifeonedge.com> References: <4626.67.80.41.113.1074826541.squirrel@ww2.lifeonedge.com> Message-ID: At 9:55 PM -0500 2004/01/22, ReeprFlame wrote: > I have just installed Mailman several times (2.0.13). Why are you installing such an old version of Mailman? Have you tried 2.1.4? -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Jan 23 05:27:58 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:27:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] personalization - take 2 In-Reply-To: References: <20040123000144.GY13633@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20040123042758.GZ13633@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paulo Dinis wrote: > As suggested, the only 3 options available are: > > 1 - Can subscribers choose to receive mail immediately, rather than > in batched digests? > 2 - Header added to mail sent to regular list members > 3 - Footer added to mail sent to regular list members > > None is available to turn on/off the option to "The section states: > "Should Mailman personalize each non-digest delivery? " You'll have to get the admin for your server to allow list owners to enable personalization. This is done by adding: OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = 1 to $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (where $prefix is the path where mailman was installed). Once that's done and the qrunners are restarted, you should have the extra option to enable personalization for your list. > I?m using cpanel and version 2.1.3. Ugh. Have fun. Ask them to give you the source code changes for the GPL code they are distributing. It's fun. They just ignore you like the GPL means nothing. Wonderful people, those cPanel folks are. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== There are no differences but differences of degree between different degrees of difference and no difference. -- William James, under nitrous oxide; 1882 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFAEKLOuv+09NZUB1oRAsPRAKDl/516+D9enJ/DmAs1B/YBOgmOXQCgtXa+ /L7J6RDTYE+5qS3jb7gvgJg= =CDW6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Fri Jan 23 07:41:41 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:41:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error Creating Mailing Lists on Local Computer References: Message-ID: "Jordan, Jack" schrieb: > When I attempt to create a new mailing list at http://localhost/create I > receive the following error: > > Error: You are not authorized to create new mailing lists Please check the list-creation-password you enter when creating a new list. -thh From remko at elvandar.org Fri Jan 23 09:23:36 2004 From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:23:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too many open files problem? (FreeBSD) Message-ID: <20040123082257.7E8F22B4D87@redqueen.elvandar.org> Hi there i have this problem with mailman (Only application that says too many open files) Jan 23 03:00:58 2004 qrunner(14039): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? Jan 23 03:00:58 2004 qrunner(14039): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main Jan 23 03:00:58 2004 qrunner(14039): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 65, in run Jan 23 03:00:58 2004 qrunner(14039): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 115, in _oneloop Jan 23 03:00:58 2004 qrunner(14039): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 128, in enqueue Jan 23 03:00:58 2004 qrunner(14039): IOError : [Errno 24] Too many open files: '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/shunt/1074823257.959132+2d184a62e8df29922f9f94d7c 4f3811601ecf1e1.pck' My sysctl settings for max openfiles etc. kern.maxfiles: 60000 kern.maxfilesperproc: 4096 kern.openfiles: 1123 So the program has max 4096 files he can open... Does anybody have clue about what's happening, please not that i first hat 30.000 max files and i increased that for mailman, also maxfilesperproc where increased. -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene From rickard at dicom.se Fri Jan 23 09:50:37 2004 From: rickard at dicom.se (Rickard Andersson) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:50:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem With Mailman and OS X Message-ID: Hi, I have a problem with my mailing lists on my OS X server. All of a sudden all the lists have disappeard from the Server Admin interface. All the lists are still accessible through the web interface. I can send mail to the lists so they are working as they should. The problem is that I once a month need to remove all members from the lists and import new names from a file. I haven't found an easy way to to that with the web interface so I need the Server Admin to be working! Any suggestions? I'm running OSX 10.3.2 Mailman 2.1.2 /Richard From bazmail at curtis2310.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 23 11:24:47 2004 From: bazmail at curtis2310.demon.co.uk (Michael Curtis) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:24:47 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem With Mailman and OS X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Richard, I had the same problem. I had to re-install the server, but at the time I had a blank server so I wasn't bothered. Once I had a server working I still had problems and so had to fault find a bit. I did the following. The permission check (Apples) is showing lots of corrections. I had to stop the service, reboot, run the permissions checks over and over until their were no more errors, about 3 times. Reboot, started the service and it was fine. You can do a mass delete and mass subscribe from the member management section. The problem I have is that the actually mail list stops. I have posted another email regarding this. I was wondering if 2.1.4 would be any better and how easy it is to install on os x? Hope this helps. Cheers Michael >Hi, > >I have a problem with my mailing lists on my OS X server. >All of a sudden all the lists have disappeard from the Server Admin >interface. All the lists are still accessible through the web interface. >I can send mail to the lists so they are working as they should. The problem >is that I once a month need to remove all members from the lists and import >new names from a file. I haven't found an easy way to to that with the web >interface so I need the Server Admin to be working! > >Any suggestions? > >I'm running OSX 10.3.2 >Mailman 2.1.2 > >/Richard > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: bazmail at curtis2310.demon.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bazmail%40curtis2310.demon.co.uk From r.barrett at ftel.co.uk Fri Jan 23 12:25:49 2004 From: r.barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:25:49 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTDig is the biggest POS In-Reply-To: <9C7487D8-4D3E-11D8-99F9-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net> References: <9C7487D8-4D3E-11D8-99F9-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net> Message-ID: Mark http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=90915 and http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=84611 may be relevant although I didn't see any solutions being offered and I'm not a user of any version of Redhat and so cannot judge applicability. best of luck Richard On 23 Jan 2004, at 00:53, Mark Dadgar wrote: > So I'm using Mailman 2.1.4 with Mr. Barrett's excellent htdig patches > and things were good. My users love it. > > Then I made the (forced) migration yesterday from RedHat9 to RedHat > Enterprise Linux ES 3.1 (thanks RedHat ). > > Now I get a segmentation fault from htfuzzy every time nightly_htdig > runs. Whether run from cron as user mailman or run manually as root. > Doesn't matter. > > This is htdig 3.1.6, BTW. > > Running "htfuzzy metaphone" manually as root produces an instant > segmentation fault. > > I checked all the permissions and everything looks good. > > Anyone got a guess what's happening here? I Googled the hell out of > this issue and found lots of people with the same problem, but no > proposed solutions. > > Anyone? Anyone? Buehler? Anyone? > > - Mark, thinks htdig sucks because searchable archives is the only > thing that breaks with *every* OS upgrade > ----- > mark at pdc-racing.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Fri Jan 23 14:31:33 2004 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:31:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment Filter Message-ID: <20040123133133.GR22527@charite.de> Hi! mailman-2.1.4: Is there a way of rejecting mails that contain both plain text and a *.doc attachment? Right now, all mailman does is to remove the *.doc, leave the text and then the admins/moderators get the fragment for approval. OTOH, if I attach JUST a *.doc and have no text part, then it's rejected in a fashion that the BOFHs like. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - AIM. ralfpostfix From charlie at hazlett.net Fri Jan 23 15:38:03 2004 From: charlie at hazlett.net (Charlie Hazlett) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:38:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers Message-ID: <200401231438.IAA15060@cerise.propagation.net> I have a small mailing list, about 45 subscribers and one, only one, has asked why the headers on her mail from the list has so many lines. She send me the following example: ############################################### To: penpal at mypenpals.org From: "Charlie Hazlett" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:23:31 -0500 X-Mailer: "ATPmail, Version 5.27" Cc: Subject: [Penpal] What's going on in our world............. X-BeenThere: qqqq at mypenpals.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: ;, List-Archive: ; List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: ;, Sender: Penpal-bounces at mypenpals.org Errors-To: Penpal-bounces at mypenpals.org X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mars.whmserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - dewitt.ca X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mypenpals.org ###################################################### What might be the problem ??? From dhphllps at memphis.edu Fri Jan 23 15:56:17 2004 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:56:17 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers In-Reply-To: <200401231438.IAA15060@cerise.propagation.net> References: <200401231438.IAA15060@cerise.propagation.net> Message-ID: <4C2322EA-4DB4-11D8-9250-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> On Jan 23, 2004, at 8:38 AM, Charlie Hazlett wrote: > I have a small mailing list, about 45 subscribers and one, only one, > has > asked why the headers on her mail from the list has so many lines. > She send > me the following example: > The problem is she's probably using Eudora, which improperly displays the RFC 2369 headers. See the explanation at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp Dan From simon.harrison at becta.org.uk Fri Jan 23 16:18:49 2004 From: simon.harrison at becta.org.uk (Simon Harrison) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:18:49 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] url/location of messages flagged 'preserve message for site administrator' Message-ID: <37C2EF59D00B03419D3BC161B1CBB6EE332380@Cov1MB1.becta.org.uk> A mailing list owner has rejected a message sent to a list, and also selected 'preserve message for site administrator' - in what location is this message preserved and/or is their a url one can visit to view these messages? We are using Mailman 2.1.2 Regards, Simon Harrison Application Support Officer Becta ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** From Keith at nanmckay.com Fri Jan 23 16:20:56 2004 From: Keith at nanmckay.com (Keith Fischer) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:20:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mbox additions Message-ID: <5E460E9F8C35724C990F2BAF50A5CBD13A0E2D@exchange.nanmckay.com> Hi All, I'm trying to "covertly" add a message to one of my lists archives. It appears to be possible by just editing the mbox file for that particular list. Can anyone point me to a simple resource for editing those files. I know about running the arch app to update the archives afterward, I just don't know how to get the email in the mbox in the first place. I need to add an email that contains a PDF attachments. Thanks Keith From alvar at twojakes.com Wed Jan 21 19:13:33 2004 From: alvar at twojakes.com (twojakes) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:13:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin page gone missing Message-ID: <003701c3e04a$4944e740$0502a8c0@Collin> Hi, my previous admin page list.twojakes.com has been replaced with an apache test page. I hope this doesn't mean my configuation is gone. I have set up this account through my intermedia hosting. Please advise. -Alvar Sirlin- (718)388-3810 Two Jakes Furniture 320 Wythe Avenue Bklyn NY 11211 www.twojakes.com From bec_stupak at yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 18:12:48 2004 From: bec_stupak at yahoo.com (honeygun) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:12:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about resetting form Message-ID: <20040121171248.71242.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I am using your email list form on my site and when I tried to edit the look, I accidentally made it not work :( Can you tell me how to reset the form so that I can at least have a working form again? Thanks, Bec http://www.honeygunlabs.com/contact.html ===== http://www.honeygunlabs.com READ ABOUT US IN THE NY TIMES! http://www.brigadierproductions.com/nytimes/nyt.html http://www.brigadierproductions.com/nytimes/tips.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From alvar at twojakes.com Wed Jan 21 19:17:38 2004 From: alvar at twojakes.com (twojakes) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:17:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: admin page gone missing Message-ID: <004701c3e04a$da7d91d0$0502a8c0@Collin> Sorry, this is not the admin page. However, this is not what i expected to see at list.twojakes.com. what are the implications? ----- Original Message ----- From: twojakes To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:13 PM Subject: admin page gone missing Hi, my previous admin page list.twojakes.com has been replaced with an apache test page. I hope this doesn't mean my configuation is gone. I have set up this account through my intermedia hosting. Please advise. -Alvar Sirlin- (718)388-3810 Two Jakes Furniture 320 Wythe Avenue Bklyn NY 11211 www.twojakes.com From adrian at ppp-gw.web-joint.com Thu Jan 22 12:01:20 2004 From: adrian at ppp-gw.web-joint.com (Adrian Beacham) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:31:20 +1030 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to Mailman Message-ID: <33654.203.87.109.102.1074769280.squirrel@www.web-joint.com> Hi there. I am hoping someone can help me. I recently installed Redhat 9.0 on a machine and included the mailman package in the install. As I am new to mailman I cant seem to create a list because I dont have the list creators password. For some reason I cant find any documentation on it in the installation and all the passwords I have used dont work. I get a message saying I am not authorised to create a list. I know this may seem silly to some but I am still feeling my way with linux as well as mailman. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks AJ From michael at curtis2310.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 23 07:15:37 2004 From: michael at curtis2310.demon.co.uk (Michael Curtis) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:15:37 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman has stopped again Message-ID: <8FF09848-4D6B-11D8-9F6F-000A95BA41DA@curtis2310.demon.co.uk> Hi, I am getting an error about a stale master qlock and it is asking me to run mailmanctl -s. When I try and do this I get command not found and then -bash. I am running Panther os x 10.3.2. My permissions also keep going screwy. I run the Apple permissions checker, but I can't run the mailman permissions checker. Does anyone have any idea. Apple bundle mailman 2.1.2. How easy would it be to install 2.1.4. Which bugs did that fix? "Not only have you managed to sink every aircraft carrier and battleship you have ever sailed on, but now you've gone and knackered a gravy boat" Del Boy speaking to Uncle Albert - Only Fools And Horses 1996 Michael Curtis michael at curtis2310.demon.co.uk Home Page: http://www.curtis2310.demon.co.uk/ Reed Cricket Club Home Page http://www.reedcc.co.uk From charlie at hazlett.net Fri Jan 23 15:54:15 2004 From: charlie at hazlett.net (Charlie Hazlett) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:54:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers Message-ID: <200401231454.IAA18310@cerise.propagation.net> She certainly is...thanks a million.......... The following message was sent by Dan Phillips on Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:56:17 -0600. > On Jan 23, 2004, at 8:38 AM, Charlie Hazlett wrote: > > I have a small mailing list, about 45 subscribers and one, only one, > > has > > asked why the headers on her mail from the list has so many lines. > > She send > > me the following example: > > > > The problem is she's probably using Eudora, which improperly displays > the RFC 2369 headers. See the explanation at > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp > > Dan > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: charlie at hazlett.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/charlie%40hazlett.net > From mborch at 4maj-hassager.dk Thu Jan 22 13:10:00 2004 From: mborch at 4maj-hassager.dk (Malthe Borch) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:10:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] spam prevention Message-ID: <20040122115601.DC05823D24@olga.4maj-hassager.dk> hello ng. I'm getting tired of getting these messages (as admin) on my members-only list: From: security at microsoft.com Subject: Use this patch immediately ! Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list How can I tell mailman to just automatically discard such posts. Or can I set a time-out (i.e. 3 days), and if I take no action, they're deleted. Thanks in advance. --- mail: mborch at audite.co.uk imm:m00mbt at math.ku.dk] pgp: www.audite.co.uk/keys/mborch.asc icq: 6980422 From service at homesteadharvest.com Fri Jan 23 16:32:07 2004 From: service at homesteadharvest.com (Homestead Harvest) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:32:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <014301c3e1c6$0fe8e000$0201a8c0@earthlink.net> We currently have a newsletter which we manage through Outlook Express. We are hoping to find a list server who will make managing our lists much easier. We do not need all the features. Our only purpose is to send an email which then disperses that email to everyone on our list. These are the features which we will need: 1.. When a visitor enters their email address in our newsletter box, that address is sent to our list and automatically entered. 2.. When a visitor unsubscribes, that address is automatically deleted. 3.. Bounced or invalid addresses are automatically removed. Is there a limit of how many KB an email can be? We have about 7 lists which will each send out an email once a month. The total number of subscribers is currently 1500. We anticipate getting up to 10,000 in the next few months. We looked at one of our emails and it was 48 KB, will that be a problem? Marie Dean Homestead Harvest From bazmail at curtis2310.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 23 16:51:14 2004 From: bazmail at curtis2310.demon.co.uk (Michael Curtis) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:51:14 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi, I am getting an error about a stale master qlock and it is asking me to run mailmanctl -s. When I try and do this I get command not found and then -bash. I am running Panther os x 10.3.2. My permissions also keep going screwy. I run the Apple permissions checker, but I can't run the mailman permissions checker. Does anyone have any ideas. Apple bundle mailman 2.1.2. How easy would it be to install 2.1.4. Which bugs did that fix? Best wishes Michael From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Jan 23 16:54:17 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 23 Jan 2004 10:54:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mbox additions In-Reply-To: <5E460E9F8C35724C990F2BAF50A5CBD13A0E2D@exchange.nanmckay.com> References: <5E460E9F8C35724C990F2BAF50A5CBD13A0E2D@exchange.nanmckay.com> Message-ID: <1074873257.3152.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 10:20, Keith Fischer wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm trying to "covertly" add a message to one of my lists archives. It > appears to be possible by just editing the mbox file for that particular > list. Can anyone point me to a simple resource for editing those files. > I know about running the arch app to update the archives afterward, I > just don't know how to get the email in the mbox in the first place. > > I need to add an email that contains a PDF attachments. > > Thanks > Keith Dude, just use your favorite text editor and copy/paste the email into that file. Be sure to squeeze it in between two emails (and not in the middle of one). You'll probably have to munge things a bit then, but if you just look at the other emails around this one in the mbox file, you should be able to figure it out in a snap. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From simon at caperet.com Fri Jan 23 16:57:26 2004 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:57:26 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mbox additions In-Reply-To: <1074873257.3152.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <5E460E9F8C35724C990F2BAF50A5CBD13A0E2D@exchange.nanmckay.com> <1074873257.3152.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040123155726.GM29433@mediadev.com> 23-Jan-04 at 10:54, Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote : > On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 10:20, Keith Fischer wrote: > > I need to add an email that contains a PDF attachments. > > > > Thanks > > Keith > > Dude, just use your favorite text editor and copy/paste the email into > that file. Be sure to squeeze it in between two emails (and not in the > middle of one). Easy way to create email in MIME format if attachment in it : send the email to yourself formatted as needed (body + attachment) then copy the email to a separate folder using mutt or figure out where it starts and finishes in the mailbox. Then copy/paste it whole into the other mbox. Like Jon said, dead easy. -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Jan 23 17:06:20 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:06:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to Mailman In-Reply-To: <33654.203.87.109.102.1074769280.squirrel@www.web-joint.com> References: <33654.203.87.109.102.1074769280.squirrel@www.web-joint.com> Message-ID: <20040123160620.GB13633@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Adrian Beacham wrote: > Hi there. I am hoping someone can help me. I recently installed > Redhat 9.0 on a machine and included the mailman package in the > install. As I am new to mailman I cant seem to create a list because > I dont have the list creators password. For some reason I cant find > any documentation on it in the installation and all the passwords I > have used dont work. I get a message saying I am not authorised to > create a list. I know this may seem silly to some but I am still > feeling my way with linux as well as mailman. The Red Hat rpm installation puts the documentation for software in /usr/share/doc/-/. There is an INSTALL.REDHAT file for mailman that covers the post installation setup that needs done for mailman. You'll want to check that out as well as possibly reading the other README files that are shipped with mailman. As a more general tip, you can use rpm -qd mailman to get a list of all the documentation files in the mailman rpm. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFAEUZ8uv+09NZUB1oRAkUcAKD6xiw/uKBCCyRUBFFVAPI1iPZQ9gCgk5qk ypszW4zI9qmHlzO8Ni7b4pc= =+vVT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ewilts at ewilts.org Fri Jan 23 17:07:04 2004 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:07:04 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <014301c3e1c6$0fe8e000$0201a8c0@earthlink.net> References: <014301c3e1c6$0fe8e000$0201a8c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20040123160704.GA25221@www.ewilts.org> On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 09:32:07AM -0600, Homestead Harvest wrote: > We currently have a newsletter which we manage through Outlook > Express. We are hoping to find a list server who will make managing > our lists much easier. We do not need all the features. Our only > purpose is to send an email which then disperses that email to > everyone on our list. > These are the features which we will need: > 1.. When a visitor enters their email address in our newsletter box, that address is sent to our list and automatically entered. That will be a problem with Mailman, as it should be with every good mailing list application. Mailman will ask the user for confirmation and that feature is there to prevent an abuser from signing up anybody they feel like. > 2.. When a visitor unsubscribes, that address is automatically deleted. That's easy. Every mailman message, by default, will have unsubscribe instructions in it. > 3.. Bounced or invalid addresses are automatically removed. They won't be removed but they'll be disabled so you can see what's going on. > Is there a limit of how many KB an email can be? That's configured on a per list basis. Your 48KB target is small. > We have about 7 lists which will each send out an email once a month. > The total number of subscribers is currently 1500. We anticipate > getting up to 10,000 in the next few months. We looked at one of our > emails and it was 48 KB, will that be a problem? The current version of Mailman doesn't really have performance issues - the issues typically happen at the MTA level. I've sent out 40,000 e-mail in 1 day on a dual PIII/500. I would suggest that you put your list on a decent server (dual P4 class probably) and learn how to configure your MTA properly, whether it's sendmail, postfix, or something else. There are lots of references on the web, including this list's archives, that give advice on tuning your MTA. 10,000 subscribers is not that unusual for mailman. I believe the record is over 250,000 but my personal high is only in the 40K range. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Jan 23 17:08:44 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:08:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] spam prevention In-Reply-To: <20040122115601.DC05823D24@olga.4maj-hassager.dk> References: <20040122115601.DC05823D24@olga.4maj-hassager.dk> Message-ID: <20040123160844.GC13633@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Malthe Borch wrote: > I'm getting tired of getting these messages (as admin) on my > members-only list: > > From: security at microsoft.com > Subject: Use this patch immediately ! > Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list > > How can I tell mailman to just automatically discard such posts. Or > can I set a time-out (i.e. 3 days), and if I take no action, they're > deleted. In mailman >= 2.1, you can have posts from non-members discarded or rejected instead of held. Check out Privacy Options -> Sender Filters for doing that. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Love is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. -- H. L. Mencken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFAEUcMuv+09NZUB1oRAllsAKDRhtjWhWjP855bnrwjQWkhzzcVhQCdGrGR rdQyf4PJnQ7XwDQqwHNRwN4= =eS0t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bazmail at curtis2310.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 23 17:10:52 2004 From: bazmail at curtis2310.demon.co.uk (Michael Curtis) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:10:52 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stops Message-ID: Hi, I am getting an error about a stale master qlock and it is asking me to run mailmanctl -s. When I try and do this I get command not found and then -bash. I am running Panther os x 10.3.2. My permissions also keep going screwy. I run the Apple permissions checker, but I can't run the mailman permissions checker. Does anyone have any ideas. Apple bundle mailman 2.1.2. How easy would it be to install 2.1.4. Which bugs did that fix? Best wishes Michael From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jan 23 17:22:00 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:22:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <014301c3e1c6$0fe8e000$0201a8c0@earthlink.net> References: <014301c3e1c6$0fe8e000$0201a8c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 9:32 AM -0600 2004/01/23, Homestead Harvest wrote: > These are the features which we will need: > 1.. When a visitor enters their email address in our newsletter box, > that address is sent to our list and automatically entered. Newsletter box? How is that different from the mailing list? > 2.. When a visitor unsubscribes, that address is automatically deleted. No problem. > 3.. Bounced or invalid addresses are automatically removed. No problem. > Is there a limit of how many KB an email can be? Only if you want to configure a specific limit, or you're routing your mail through a provider which places a specific limit on their servers. > We have about 7 lists which will each send out an email once a month. > The total number of subscribers is currently 1500. We anticipate > getting up to 10,000 in the next few months. We looked at one of our > emails and it was 48 KB, will that be a problem? There are plenty of Mailman list servers out there that have many more subscribers, and handle much larger messages on a daily basis. So far as the criteria you've specified, I think Mailman can handle everything you need and more. However, you'll need to try out the software to see if there are any things you need which you did not mention, and which Mailman may be unable to help you with. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jan 23 17:17:16 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:17:16 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers In-Reply-To: <4C2322EA-4DB4-11D8-9250-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> References: <200401231438.IAA15060@cerise.propagation.net> <4C2322EA-4DB4-11D8-9250-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Message-ID: At 8:56 AM -0600 2004/01/23, Dan Phillips wrote: > The problem is she's probably using Eudora, which improperly displays > the RFC 2369 headers. See the explanation at > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp What version of Eudora has this problem? I'm using Eudora 6, and while I have it configured to hide all "List-*" headers by default, when I click on the button to show all headers, the "List-*" headers are properly displayed, correctly highlighted, and will "Do The Right Thing" when you click on the highlighted portion. It would be helpful if we could clarify the FAQ a bit as to the specific versions that have this problem, so that people will understand that upgrading the version will solve the problem. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From a.carter at cordis.lu Fri Jan 23 17:42:19 2004 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:42:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: 1 For number one, you can set up an automatic mailto on the submit button using a mailto: or with java to do it without interaction from user. Remember that the mailman allows you to administer via mail. 2 Again, as for 1, you can do this using a mail command. 3 Bounced messages or invalid addresses can be set up so that they don't get into your list in the first place, or you can make users login to your mailing list. The rest was answered by Brad. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: Brad Knowles [mailto:brad.knowles at skynet.be] Sent: 23 January 2004 17:22 To: Homestead Harvest Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) At 9:32 AM -0600 2004/01/23, Homestead Harvest wrote: > These are the features which we will need: > 1.. When a visitor enters their email address in our newsletter box, > that address is sent to our list and automatically entered. Newsletter box? How is that different from the mailing list? > 2.. When a visitor unsubscribes, that address is automatically deleted. No problem. > 3.. Bounced or invalid addresses are automatically removed. No problem. > Is there a limit of how many KB an email can be? Only if you want to configure a specific limit, or you're routing your mail through a provider which places a specific limit on their servers. > We have about 7 lists which will each send out an email once a month. > The total number of subscribers is currently 1500. We anticipate > getting up to 10,000 in the next few months. We looked at one of our > emails and it was 48 KB, will that be a problem? There are plenty of Mailman list servers out there that have many more subscribers, and handle much larger messages on a daily basis. So far as the criteria you've specified, I think Mailman can handle everything you need and more. However, you'll need to try out the software to see if there are any things you need which you did not mention, and which Mailman y be unable to help you with. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Jan 23 18:02:52 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:02:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040123170252.GD13633@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Michael Curtis wrote: > I am getting an error about a stale master qlock and it is asking me > to run mailmanctl -s. When I try and do this I get command not found > and then -bash. I am running Panther os x 10.3.2. My permissions > also keep going screwy. I run the Apple permissions checker, but I > can't run the mailman permissions checker. Is there a reason you feel that asking 3 times - so far today - will increase, not decrease, the odds of someone knowing the answer and being willing to help? - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Whenever 'A' attempts by law to impose his moral standards upon 'B', 'A' is most likely a scoundrel. -- H. L. Mencken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFAEVO8uv+09NZUB1oRAo5iAKC/JtgEqSRPjwAnX1Uaq76sBToAcACeLFQo hfuaEcwlx8g+u6rRTY4++/Q= =tqsM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dhphllps at memphis.edu Fri Jan 23 18:27:11 2004 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:27:11 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers In-Reply-To: References: <200401231438.IAA15060@cerise.propagation.net> <4C2322EA-4DB4-11D8-9250-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Message-ID: <61079362-4DC9-11D8-A202-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> On Jan 23, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 8:56 AM -0600 2004/01/23, Dan Phillips wrote: > >> The problem is she's probably using Eudora, which improperly displays >> the RFC 2369 headers. See the explanation at >> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp > > What version of Eudora has this problem? I'm using Eudora 6, and > while I have it configured to hide all "List-*" headers by default, > when I click on the button to show all headers, the "List-*" headers > are properly displayed, correctly highlighted, and will "Do The Right > Thing" when you click on the highlighted portion. > I just downloaded and used Eudora 6.0.2 for OS X and it still exhibits the incorrect behavior. This may be a Mac only problem, but I have no way of checking other versions (I don't do Windows). Dan ================================ Dan Phillips Professor of Horn, University of Memphis webmaster: http://music.memphis.edu From wes at greenfieldnetworks.com Fri Jan 23 20:52:59 2004 From: wes at greenfieldnetworks.com (Wesley T. Perdue) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:52:59 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers In-Reply-To: <61079362-4DC9-11D8-A202-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> References: <200401231438.IAA15060@cerise.propagation.net> <4C2322EA-4DB4-11D8-9250-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> <61079362-4DC9-11D8-A202-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040123114806.038328b8@mail.greenfieldnetworks-int.com> At 09:27 AM 1/23/2004, Dan Phillips wrote: >On Jan 23, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: >>At 8:56 AM -0600 2004/01/23, Dan Phillips wrote: >> >>> The problem is she's probably using Eudora, which improperly displays >>> the RFC 2369 headers. See the explanation at >>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp >> >> What version of Eudora has this problem? I'm using Eudora 6, and while I have it configured to hide all "List-*" headers by default, when I click on the button to show all headers, the "List-*" headers are properly displayed, correctly highlighted, and will "Do The Right Thing" when you click on the highlighted portion. > >I just downloaded and used Eudora 6.0.2 for OS X and it still exhibits the incorrect behavior. This may be a Mac only problem, but I have no way of checking other versions (I don't do Windows). > >Dan I'm using eudora 6.0.1.1 on Win 2000, and it does not suppress the List-* headers by default. - Wes From paul at thcwd.com Fri Jan 23 20:57:41 2004 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:57:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content Filters hate html? Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040123134632.01e2c2e8@mail.thcwd.com> I've tried this every way I can think of, and can not get it. Please don't tell me html e-mail is of the evil one - it's what the user wants. I need for html formatted text to go through, but images to be rejected. The only way I have been able to get html to pass is by turning off filtering compleat. Mailman version 2.1.2 in all tests: Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the settings below? is set to yes Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? is set to no. Remove message attachments that have a matching content type = image ---- test one: Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type = multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain text/html this result in a plain text message. The headers show: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed But when the exact same message is sent with filtering off it shows: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; ---- test two: Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type = blank field this results in a plain text message, with the header: X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.2 ---- It appears that turning the filters on removes all html formatting regardless of how the filters are set. Is there a way around this? <>< Paul PS - my apologies if this comes through twice. Some 14 hours after the first send it had not shown, and I had no error back. No doubt posting it again will ensure the first one will make it too, while not posting again ensures the original will be forever lost. From bpratt at overflow.net.au Fri Jan 23 23:58:43 2004 From: bpratt at overflow.net.au (Brendan Pratt) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:58:43 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers In-Reply-To: <4C2322EA-4DB4-11D8-9250-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> References: <200401231438.IAA15060@cerise.propagation.net> <4C2322EA-4DB4-11D8-9250-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040124085726.02a4b440@pop3.overflow.net.au> At 12:56 AM 24/01/04, Dan Phillips wrote: The problem is she's probably using Eudora, which improperly displays the RFC 2369 headers. See the explanation at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp I'm using Eudora here, and I don't have a problem. Perhaps she's using an older version, as I'm using version 6. Might be an idea if this person Charlie is talking about, updates to a more recent version ? From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jan 23 21:42:20 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:42:20 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers In-Reply-To: <61079362-4DC9-11D8-A202-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> References: <200401231438.IAA15060@cerise.propagation.net> <4C2322EA-4DB4-11D8-9250-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> <61079362-4DC9-11D8-A202-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> Message-ID: At 11:27 AM -0600 2004/01/23, Dan Phillips wrote: > I just downloaded and used Eudora 6.0.2 for OS X and it still exhibits > the incorrect behavior. This may be a Mac only problem, but I have no > way of checking other versions (I don't do Windows). I'm using Eudora 6.0 on MacOS X, and I don't see the problem. Can you give me more details of what I'm supposed to be seeing? -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jan 23 21:44:53 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:44:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040123114806.038328b8@mail.greenfieldnetworks-int.com > References: <200401231438.IAA15060@cerise.propagation.net> <4C2322EA-4DB4-11D8-9250-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> <61079362-4DC9-11D8-A202-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> <6.0.1.1.2.20040123114806.038328b8@mail.greenfieldnetworks-int.com > Message-ID: At 11:52 AM -0800 2004/01/23, Wesley T. Perdue wrote: > I'm using eudora 6.0.1.1 on Win 2000, and it does not suppress the > List-* headers by default. Is that the only problem?!? Eudora 6.0 for MacOS X doesn't suppress them by default, either. However, if they are displayed and you click on them, the appropriate action will be taken. I have gone ahead and configured Eudora to hide these headers under normal circumstances, but to be honest I don't think this should be done by default. Those should be displayed so that a normal user can do the right thing with them. If they find that confusing or ugly and they can confirm that they already know what the right thing is, then they should be free to do what I have done -- but that shouldn't be done by default. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From dhphllps at memphis.edu Sat Jan 24 00:15:38 2004 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:15:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers In-Reply-To: References: <200401231438.IAA15060@cerise.propagation.net> <4C2322EA-4DB4-11D8-9250-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> <61079362-4DC9-11D8-A202-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> <6.0.1.1.2.20040123114806.038328b8@mail.greenfieldnetworks-int.com > Message-ID: <0E9F5012-4DFA-11D8-B928-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> On Jan 23, 2004, at 2:44 PM, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 11:52 AM -0800 2004/01/23, Wesley T. Perdue wrote: > >> I'm using eudora 6.0.1.1 on Win 2000, and it does not suppress the >> List-* headers by default. > > I have gone ahead and configured Eudora to hide these headers under > normal circumstances I haven't used Eudora regularly since v.4.0. I downloaded v.6.0 this morning to see if it behaved the way I remembered, and it did. I also looked for an option to hide those headers and wasn't able to find one. A search of Eudora's own help files was particularly useless. Regardless of the question of the default status, I'm sure many of us would like to be able to tell our users how to hide them. Can you enlighten us, please? :-) This is something else that maybe should go into the FAQ, since it's been a fairly common complaint from my users and as a non-Eudora user I can't help them. dan From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sat Jan 24 00:56:23 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:56:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers In-Reply-To: <0E9F5012-4DFA-11D8-B928-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> References: <200401231438.IAA15060@cerise.propagation.net> <4C2322EA-4DB4-11D8-9250-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> <61079362-4DC9-11D8-A202-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> <6.0.1.1.2.20040123114806.038328b8@mail.greenfieldnetworks-int.com > <0E9F5012-4DFA-11D8-B928-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Message-ID: At 5:15 PM -0600 2004/01/23, Dan Phillips wrote: > Regardless of the question of the default status, I'm sure many of > us would like to be able to tell our users how to hide them. Can > you enlighten us, please? :-) This is something else that maybe > should go into the FAQ, since it's been a fairly common complaint > from my users and as a non-Eudora user I can't help them. I think the problem is that the "Esoteric Settings" plug-in is not installed by default. It is included with the package, however. For MacOS X users with Eudora 6, the following instructions should work: 1. If you have the Eudora icon in your dock, control-click on the icon and select "Show in Finder". Otherwise, find the original application icon where Eudora was installed. 2. Control-click on the Eudora icon and select "Show Package Contents". 3. In the folder that was opened, double-click on the "Contents" sub-folder to open it. 4. In the "PlugIns Disabled" sub-folder, you should find a plug-in called "Esoteric Settings 6.0". You need to move this plug-in to the "PlugIns" folder. 5. Once the Esoteric Settings plug-in is in the correct folder, close the various finder windows and sub-folders, and restart Eudora. 6. Once restarted, select "Settings..." from the "Special" menu. 7. Scroll down towards the bottom of the list of different settings sub-categories. You will see the familiar ones, but down below you should see a lot of new ones that you had never encountered before. They will have names like "Toolbar on Steriods", "Really Miscellaneous", and "Boring Headers". 8. Select the "Boring Headers" icon, and add "List-" to the list of headers that will be omitted from the standard display. 9. Click on "OK", and the "Settings..." pane should go away. 10. Open a message that previously displayed the headers that you do not want to see, and see if the issue has been resolved. Note that if you want to make appropriate use of the "List-" headers after this change, you will have to click on the "BLAHBLAHBLAH" icon in order to see all the headers from the message. I still think this sort of thing is a bad idea for most users. If they didn't know about the "Esoteric Settings" plug-in and how to make advanced use like this of their MUA, I do not believe that they are likely to be sufficiently knowledgeable to properly handle the situation if there are problems. The "Esoteric Settings" stuff gives you a lot of powerful ammo that you can use to blow off your entire leg, much less shoot off your foot. Users should not be encouraged to play with this sort of stuff unless they are qualified to do so, and if they were qualified to do so then you shouldn't need to be the one to give them this kind of information. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From reeprflame at lifeonedge.com Sat Jan 24 04:28:38 2004 From: reeprflame at lifeonedge.com (ReeprFlame) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:28:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Repsonse...New install Message-ID: <4609.67.80.41.113.1074914918.squirrel@ww2.lifeonedge.com> After realizing I had an older version of mailman, I installed 2.1.4 onto my fedora machine. I can get to the web panel and make lists and such. I do not get any email errors but the list does not respond when i send emails. im guessing the daemon may not be running or something is configured...thnx in advance ___________________ -Andrew Ragone Kc2LTO lifeonedge.com From ron at orbitelcom.com Sat Jan 24 06:24:02 2004 From: ron at orbitelcom.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:24:02 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] for hire? Message-ID: <001e01c3e23a$478d29c0$02010a0a@BIZLAP> I'd like to implement mailman however I'm not too sure of how to do it. Can anyone help or point me to step-by-step instructions.? Ron From reeprflame at lifeonedge.com Sat Jan 24 07:34:38 2004 From: reeprflame at lifeonedge.com (reeprflame at lifeonedge.com) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:34:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] make install error...new build, new dload Message-ID: <1561.67.80.41.113.1074926078.squirrel@ww2.lifeonedge.com> i just downloaded and untarred 2.1.4 and i get this error on the make install. everything else is fine in ./configure Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 48, in ? from Mailman import MailList File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 49, in ? from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in ? from Archiver import * File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 36, in ? from Mailman.i18n import _ File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 52, in ? set_language() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 34, in set_language _translation = gettext.translation('mailman', mm_cfg.MESSAGES_DIR, AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'MESSAGES_DIR' make: *** [update] Error 1 Anyone familiar with this? ___________________ -Andrew Ragone Kc2LTO lifeonedge.com From srb at umich.edu Sat Jan 24 14:07:10 2004 From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:07:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers In-Reply-To: References: <200401231438.IAA15060@cerise.propagation.net> <4C2322EA-4DB4-11D8-9250-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> <61079362-4DC9-11D8-A202-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> <6.0.1.1.2.20040123114806.038328b8@mail.greenfieldnetworks-int.com > <0E9F5012-4DFA-11D8-B928-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> Message-ID: <2147483647.1074931630@[192.168.1.101]> --On Saturday, January 24, 2004 12:56 AM +0100 Brad Knowles wrote: > I think the problem is that the "Esoteric Settings" plug-in is not > installed by default. It is included with the package, however. > > For MacOS X users with Eudora 6, the following instructions should work: > > 1. If you have the Eudora icon in your dock, control-click > on the icon and select "Show in Finder". > > Otherwise, find the original application icon where > Eudora was installed. > > 2. Control-click on the Eudora icon and select > "Show Package Contents". > > 3. In the folder that was opened, double-click on the > "Contents" sub-folder to open it. > > 4. In the "PlugIns Disabled" sub-folder, you should find > a plug-in called "Esoteric Settings 6.0". You need to > move this plug-in to the "PlugIns" folder. To which I reply: There's a slightly easier (and more Mac-like :-) way to do this. Follow step 1 to find the original application icon. Then: 2. Control-click on the Eudora icon and select "Get Info". 3. In the "Eudora Info" window that opens, "turn down" the disclosure triangle next to "Plug-ins:" 4. Check the box next to "Esoteric Settings 6.0". -- Steve Burling University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 From rah at shipwright.com Sat Jan 24 15:54:47 2004 From: rah at shipwright.com (R. A. Hettinga) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:54:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anybody have any idea what this means? Message-ID: I'm running Panther Server, now, having given up on getting Mailman running on Panther the hard way :-), and I can't help but thinking that the following is an artifact of my earlier attempts with postfix, mailman, etc. It happens when I post to a list named clips on bullae.ibuc.com... Any ideas? Cheers, RAH --- begin forwarded text From: mailman at bullae.ibuc.com (Cron Daemon) To: mailman at bullae.ibuc.com Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /usr/share/mailman/cron/disabled Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:00:01 -0500 (EST) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/disabled", line 209, in ? main() File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/disabled", line 202, in main mlist.Save() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 515, in Save self.__save(dict) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 487, in __save os.unlink(fname_last) OSError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument: '/private/var/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck.last' --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' From mtastuff at iross.net Sat Jan 24 16:28:29 2004 From: mtastuff at iross.net (Ross McKillop) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:28:29 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regenerate old archives Message-ID: Hi, Is it possible to regenerate the archives of an old list, the list is no longer hosted but I would like to regenerate the pages with pipermail. I still have the mbox file. i've tried bin/arch but it doesnt work as the list no longer exists. Any help would be much appreciated Ross -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content and is believed to be clean From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 24 18:41:02 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 24 Jan 2004 12:41:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regenerate old archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1074966062.3162.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-01-24 at 10:28, Ross McKillop wrote: > Hi, > > Is it possible to regenerate the archives of an old list, the list is > no longer hosted but I would like to regenerate the pages with > pipermail. I still have the mbox file. > > i've tried bin/arch but it doesnt work as the list no longer exists. > Any help would be much appreciated > > Ross > ....create the list, don't add any users, run bin/arch ... ??? From mailman-users at lnetz.de Sat Jan 24 21:57:29 2004 From: mailman-users at lnetz.de (Stefan) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:57:29 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with --with-mail-gid Message-ID: Hi, I have configured mailman with --with-mail-gid=nobody and created some lists a long time ago. Two weeks ago I updated to mailman 2.1.4 and configured mailman with --with-mail-gid=mailman and added again some lists. Since that date all old lists didn't work, but all the new ones did. I got this error: Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 2: "/home/mailman/mail/mailman post test". Command output: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "nobody". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailman", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nobody'. To solve the problem with the gid id configured the new version with --with-mail-gid=nobody again in installed it. Since that moment the new lists don't work any more. It seems to me, that a list only with if the --with-mail-gid of the running mailman is the same as the list was created. How can I solve my problem to get all lists working? Thanks, Stefan From remko at elvandar.org Sat Jan 24 22:18:42 2004 From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:18:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with --with-mail-gid In-Reply-To: <20040124210704.38B1C1A@mail.elvandar.org> Message-ID: <20040124211750.1CBD02B4D79@redqueen.elvandar.org> in the bin directory you have check_perms, which could help, also changing the list stuff to group nobody should help.. (Archives AND lists) goodluck cheers -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens Stefan Verzonden: zaterdag 24 januari 2004 21:57 Aan: Mailman-Users at python.org Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] problems with --with-mail-gid Hi, I have configured mailman with --with-mail-gid=nobody and created some lists a long time ago. Two weeks ago I updated to mailman 2.1.4 and configured mailman with --with-mail-gid=mailman and added again some lists. Since that date all old lists didn't work, but all the new ones did. I got this error: Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 2: "/home/mailman/mail/mailman post test". Command output: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "nobody". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailman", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nobody'. To solve the problem with the gid id configured the new version with --with-mail-gid=nobody again in installed it. Since that moment the new lists don't work any more. It seems to me, that a list only with if the --with-mail-gid of the running mailman is the same as the list was created. How can I solve my problem to get all lists working? Thanks, Stefan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mailman-users%40lists.e lvandar.org _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list Mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org http://lists.elvandar.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From cmenzel at tamu.edu Sun Jan 25 00:54:16 2004 From: cmenzel at tamu.edu (Chris Menzel) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:54:16 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OS X 10.3 mailman/postfix woes Message-ID: <20040124235416.GG14114@tamu.edu> I'm using Mailman 2.1.3 and just upgraded from OS X 10.2 to 10.3.2 (Panther). Mailman was working splendidly under 10.2, but with the switch from sendmail to postfix that 10.3 foists upon its users, I seem to be caught in a catch 22. If I set the smptd line in postfix's master.cf to my IP, i.e., nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn:25 inet n - n - - smtpd I can send and receive mail, but mailman won't deliver mail that has been sent to any mailing lists; it just sits in the queue. Yes, qrunner *is* running. The mailman smtp log yields a rather obscure error of the following sort when qrunner does its thing: Jan 24 17:19:03 2004 (14880) All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection refused') Jan 24 17:19:03 2004 (14880) All recipients refused: please run connect() first Jan 24 17:19:03 2004 (14880) <20040124231647.GE14114 at tamu.edu> smtp for 3 recips, completed in 0.044 seconds If, on the other hand, I replace the above line with localhost:25 inet n - n - - smtpd then mailman delivers queued list mail properly, and mail generally can be sent, but my machine will no longer *receive* any mail other than mail sent from local accounts to themselves. Interestingly, mail.log is just silent in this case; it does not record that mail is being rejected. I have spent many hours adjusting config files and reading usenet posts to no avail. I suspect the solution is very simple -- some line in a config file -- but I can't find it. I *have* tried changing the last line of mm_cfg.py variously to SMTPHOST = 'localhost' SMTPHOST = '' and even tried getting around the problem with SMTPHOST = 'mail.tamu.edu' (the local university wide server) All failed to solve the problem, of course. Any help would be most appreciated. Chris Menzel From cmenzel at tamu.edu Sun Jan 25 01:10:19 2004 From: cmenzel at tamu.edu (Chris Menzel) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:10:19 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OS X 10.3 problems almost solved In-Reply-To: <20040124235416.GG14114@tamu.edu> References: <20040124235416.GG14114@tamu.edu> Message-ID: <20040125001019.GI14114@tamu.edu> Ah, well, turns out using smtp inet n - n - - smtpd in /etc/postfix/master.cf seems to do the job. (Still getting a few relay problems with some addresses, but the general problem seems to be solved.) Sorry for the intrusion. -chris On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 05:54:16PM -0600, Chris Menzel wrote: > I'm using Mailman 2.1.3 and just upgraded from OS X 10.2 to 10.3.2 (Panther). > Mailman was working splendidly under 10.2, but with the switch from sendmail to > postfix that 10.3 foists upon its users, I seem to be caught in a catch 22. > ... From sasa at stupar.homelinux.net Sun Jan 25 17:12:21 2004 From: sasa at stupar.homelinux.net (Sasa Stupar) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:12:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 2.1.3 to 2.1.4 ? Message-ID: <4013EAE5.9080008@stupar.homelinux.net> Hi! What is the easiest way to upgrade to 2.1.4 from 2.1.3 ? Sasa From remko at elvandar.org Sun Jan 25 17:16:46 2004 From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:16:46 +0100 Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 2.1.3 to 2.1.4 ? Message-ID: <20040125161554.AC1E42B4D7E@redqueen.elvandar.org> oeps, forgot this one again -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Remko Lodder [mailto:remko at elvandar.org] Verzonden: zondag 25 januari 2004 17:16 Aan: Sasa Stupar Onderwerp: RE: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 2.1.3 to 2.1.4 ? ew in your body tekst is a typo (: I upgraded my ML by ./configure --$my-settings make && make install.. cheers -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens Sasa Stupar Verzonden: zondag 25 januari 2004 17:12 Aan: mailman-users at python.org Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 2.1.3 to 2.1.4 ? Hi! What is the easiest way to upgrade to 2.1.4 from 2.1.3 ? Sasa ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mailman-users%40lists.e lvandar.org _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list Mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org http://lists.elvandar.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From sasa at stupar.homelinux.net Sun Jan 25 17:31:31 2004 From: sasa at stupar.homelinux.net (Sasa Stupar) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:31:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 2.1.3 to 2.1.4 ? In-Reply-To: <20040125161522.261C82B4D7F@redqueen.elvandar.org> References: <20040125161522.261C82B4D7F@redqueen.elvandar.org> Message-ID: <4013EF63.7030602@stupar.homelinux.net> Didn't know it was so easy. Allready done it and it is working like a charm. Thank you. Sasa Remko Lodder pravi: >ew in your body tekst is a typo (: > >I upgraded my ML by ./configure --$my-settings >make && make install.. > >cheers > >-- > >Kind regards, > >Remko Lodder >Elvandar.org/DSINet.org >www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the >hackerscene > >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org >[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens Sasa Stupar >Verzonden: zondag 25 januari 2004 17:12 >Aan: mailman-users at python.org >Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 2.1.3 to 2.1.4 ? > > >Hi! > >What is the easiest way to upgrade to 2.1.4 from 2.1.3 ? > >Sasa > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mailman-users%40lists.e >lvandar.org >_______________________________________________ >Mailman-users mailing list >Mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org >http://lists.elvandar.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > From paul at thcwd.com Sun Jan 25 21:34:59 2004 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:34:59 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Too Many Headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040125142521.01ffd4f0@mail.thcwd.com> Dan Phillips wrote: >From: Dan Phillips >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers >To: Brad Knowles >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >Message-ID: <61079362-4DC9-11D8-A202-003065B75E6E at memphis.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >On Jan 23, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: Brad Knowles wrote: > > What version of Eudora has this problem? I'm using Eudora 6, and > > while I have it configured to hide all "List-*" headers by default, > > when I click on the button to show all headers, the "List-*" headers > > are properly displayed, correctly highlighted, and will "Do The Right > > Thing" when you click on the highlighted portion From paul at thcwd.com Sun Jan 25 21:34:59 2004 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:34:59 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Too Many Headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040125142521.01ffd4f0@mail.thcwd.com> Dan Phillips wrote: >From: Dan Phillips >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers >To: Brad Knowles >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >Message-ID: <61079362-4DC9-11D8-A202-003065B75E6E at memphis.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >On Jan 23, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: Brad Knowles wrote: > > What version of Eudora has this problem? I'm using Eudora 6, and > > while I have it configured to hide all "List-*" headers by default, > > when I click on the button to show all headers, the "List-*" headers > > are properly displayed, correctly highlighted, and will "Do The Right > > Thing" when you click on the highlighted portion. Dan Phillips wrote: >I just downloaded and used Eudora 6.0.2 for OS X and it still exhibits >the incorrect behavior. This may be a Mac only problem, but I have no >way of checking other versions (I don't do Windows). I am running Eudora 6.0 on XP, my wife is running 5.1 on XP, and both display properly and work properly - in the preview pane. By default Eudora shows extra headers, including list headers in open messages. Unless you WANT to see the headers, there is really no reason to view messages this way. If someone really wants to read from open messages, there is a way to suppress the headers for Winblows - see http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/2186hq.html . In other words, it's a feature, not a bug. <>< Paul From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sun Jan 25 21:19:52 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:19:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1074931630@[192.168.1.101]> References: <200401231438.IAA15060@cerise.propagation.net> <4C2322EA-4DB4-11D8-9250-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> <61079362-4DC9-11D8-A202-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> <6.0.1.1.2.20040123114806.038328b8@mail.greenfieldnetworks-int.com > <0E9F5012-4DFA-11D8-B928-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> <2147483647.1074931630@[192.168.1.101]> Message-ID: At 8:07 AM -0500 2004/01/24, Steve Burling wrote: > There's a slightly easier (and more Mac-like :-) way to do this. Follow > step 1 to find the original application icon. Then: Okay, I've been using Unix for about twenty years, and a Mac fanatic for the same length of time. I've also been using MacOS X since 10.1. And you've taught me something new. Cool. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From brian at oneparkplace.com Mon Jan 26 05:17:34 2004 From: brian at oneparkplace.com (Brian Haines) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:17:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without a password Message-ID: <009e01c3e3c3$53246d90$0a01a8c0@brian2600> I am very interested in the topic of configuring Mailman to allow subscribe/unsubscribe requests without a password. From the archives Simon White offered something of a solution and was willing to share it, but his email was not in the message (as it should be). I would be interested in Simon's or any other's solutions or thoughts on a solution. If you make your own subscribe page which takes the email address and adds it to a text file, you can schedule a task every night to read that file and unsubscribe the addresses in it. I have a version of this theory working on a server using PHP, a little shell script, and cron. Let me know if it's of any use to you. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. Thanks! Brian Haines From ewilts at ewilts.org Mon Jan 26 05:21:30 2004 From: ewilts at ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:21:30 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without a password In-Reply-To: <009e01c3e3c3$53246d90$0a01a8c0@brian2600> References: <009e01c3e3c3$53246d90$0a01a8c0@brian2600> Message-ID: <20040126042130.GA25506@www.ewilts.org> On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 11:17:34PM -0500, Brian Haines wrote: > I am very interested in the topic of configuring Mailman to allow > subscribe/unsubscribe requests without a password. From the archives Simon > White offered something of a solution and was willing to share it, but his > email was not in the message (as it should be). > > I would be interested in Simon's or any other's solutions or thoughts on a > solution. ~mailman/bin/add_members and ~mailman/bin/remove_members. These require privs. You should be aware that there are morons out there that will try to spam your lists with messages and probably fake subscribe/unsubscribe messages. If you allow for an Internet-wide subscribe without confirmation, you could easily be classified a spammer and end up on blackhole lists. You better know what you're doing before you dig into this. It isn't that hard for a user to subscribe or unsubscribe themselves. Admins, of course, can do it for them with the utilities I listed above or via the web pages. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org From abel at able-towers.com Mon Jan 26 05:24:04 2004 From: abel at able-towers.com (Abel Wisman) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 04:24:04 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] recovering from total loss References: <009e01c3e3c3$53246d90$0a01a8c0@brian2600> Message-ID: <003801c3e3c4$3b30b990$03eb8ac3@mephisto> I'm trying to recover froma total server loss. This means the lists are now re-setup on a new server adn the only form of remaining backup are the personal mailfiles, containing all the lists files, one user with 2 text based files of the list's archives and one with several digest. what is the easiest way, if any, to "restore" the archives, any idea or shortcut will be welcome, we are talking several thousand emails here. kind regards abel -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.7.4 - Release Date: 24/01/2004 From freebsd01 at usmstudent.com Mon Jan 26 05:21:41 2004 From: freebsd01 at usmstudent.com (backdoc) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:21:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 403 Forbidden error (problem resolved) Message-ID: <401495D5.7090700@usmstudent.com> I have been having problems getting access to my public archives from a browser. I have been getting "403 Forbidden error accessing public archives" errors. This seems to be a particularly popular problem with many requests for advice, yet only few posts with helpful suggestions. Fortunately, I was able to piece them together to solve my problem. In the past, I have received much help and advice (not to mention excellent software) from the good people at list.org and the people on the Mailman-Users mailing list. So, I thought that I might be able to pay some of that generosity back by offering a short summary of what caused my problem and how I fixed it. Either someone will be able to search the Mailman-Users archives and find this message or else someone more articulate and knowledgeable than me about Mailman could polish it up and find a place for it in the Mailman FAQ located at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all. Symptom: 403 Forbidden error accessing public archives .... Platform: FreeBSD 4.6-RELEASE Mailman Version: Currently 2.1.3. I first installed mailman about 2 years ago. So, this version has been upgraded and updated to 2.1.3. This was, I think, part of my problem. Solution: The first thing I did was navigate to the /usr/local/mailman/bin directory and run "./check_perms". I found that not all of my permissions were set correctly. So, I re-ran "./check_perms -f" (for fix). This fixed the permissions. But, I still was being denied access. The second step was to verify my settings were correct in Apache. I played around with httpd.conf for a little. But, nothing seemed to help. Remember that if you modify httpd.conf that you need to restart Apache with "apachectl restart" for your changes to work. It turns out that there was nothing wrong with my file. Here is what I currently use: ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/" AllowOverride None Options FollowSymLinks ExecCGI Order allow,deny Allow from all Alias /pipermail/ "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/" Then, I stumbled upon a thread at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-June/029602.html that pointed me to the solution of my problem. I was able to get access to my archives by making the following changes. # ** The following line was added **************** DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' # ** The following line was replaced by the line after it. # PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail' PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s' One thing that I might point out here is that you can put the above lines in mm_cfg.py literally. You do not have to make substitutions for "(hostname)" and "(listname)". Just copy and paste. This is something that was not clear to me in the thread. I often run into that issue when trying to follow online docs. I thought it would be helpful to point it out. ***** IMPORTANT ****** After you make changes to your mm_cfg.py file, you need to run "./withlist -l -r fix_url (your list name)" on every existing list. Here, you do need to make substitutions for "(your list name)". You can get a list of your lists with "./list_lists". Also, you need to stop and restart Mailman with, "mailmanctl restart". It is possible that only certain changes to your mm_cfg.py necessitate the running of "withlist" and "Mailman restart". But, I don't see where it hurts to run them anyway (unless of course your want old lists to remain untouched and new lists to incorporate your changes). Finally, this may shed some light on things for other FreeBSD users. Earlier I stated that part of my problem was due to the fact that Mailman has been upgraded on my system. This is why I believe that. The PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL used to work the way it was (see above). And, I noticed a few months back when I created a new mailing list that things like default paths and default email addresses didn't work on my new lists. If I'm not mistaken, the old lists continued to work though. I am just now associating the two problems. Apparently, the jump from 2.0.x to 2.1.x made some serious changes in how the mm_cfg.py file works. I upgrade my system with portupgrade, and I rarely have any issues. This time, the new requirements went unnoticed. I hope this helps someone. darren From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Jan 26 05:53:14 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 25 Jan 2004 23:53:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] recovering from total loss In-Reply-To: <003801c3e3c4$3b30b990$03eb8ac3@mephisto> References: <009e01c3e3c3$53246d90$0a01a8c0@brian2600> <003801c3e3c4$3b30b990$03eb8ac3@mephisto> Message-ID: <1075092793.3138.155.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-01-25 at 23:24, Abel Wisman wrote: > I'm trying to recover froma total server loss. > This means the lists are now re-setup on a new server adn the only form of > remaining backup are the personal mailfiles, containing all the lists files, > one user with 2 text based files of the list's archives and one with several > digest. > > what is the easiest way, if any, to "restore" the archives, any idea or > shortcut will be welcome, we are talking several thousand emails here. > > kind regards > > abel > The archives are stored in an mbox format. If your email stores it's files in that format, then your very close to having exactly what you need. If you need to move the mail over to an mbox format from an email client, then you should consider bringing up an IMAP server on your Mailman server - just long enough to transfer your local mail up to the server (via your email clients IMAP connection). Good Luck - Jon Carnes From simon at caperet.com Mon Jan 26 09:56:50 2004 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:56:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without a password In-Reply-To: <20040126042130.GA25506@www.ewilts.org> References: <009e01c3e3c3$53246d90$0a01a8c0@brian2600> <20040126042130.GA25506@www.ewilts.org> Message-ID: <20040126085650.GA20387@mediadev.com> 25-Jan-04 at 22:21, Ed Wilts (ewilts at ewilts.org) wrote : > On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 11:17:34PM -0500, Brian Haines wrote: > > I am very interested in the topic of configuring Mailman to allow > > subscribe/unsubscribe requests without a password. From the archives Simon > > White offered something of a solution and was willing to share it, but his > > email was not in the message (as it should be). Have you seen how much spam I get already, without leaving my email open to even more harvesters? It's inconvenient but I don't have time to create some clever anti spam scheme at the moment (server too low spec for any kind of heuristics). > > I would be interested in Simon's or any other's solutions or thoughts on a > > solution. I put up a web page here: http://mediadev.homelinux.net/mailman.html > You should be aware that there are morons out there that will try to > spam your lists with messages and probably fake subscribe/unsubscribe > messages. If you allow for an Internet-wide subscribe without > confirmation, you could easily be classified a spammer and end up on > blackhole lists. You better know what you're doing before you dig into > this. It isn't that hard for a user to subscribe or unsubscribe > themselves. Admins, of course, can do it for them with the utilities I > listed above or via the web pages. You make an important point, Ed. However, there are a number of mitigating circumstances for most admins. They do not want to have to handle subs/unsubs manually. If a spammer starts to abuse a list managed by a conscientious admin, then the potential problems that arise are usually minimised. I haven't made it too easy to allow unconfirmed subs/unsubs in my scripts because of this. You have to have root access to the console in order to install the scripts, and I haven't released a patch to the Mailman source. (As an aside, I did send a patch for the remove_members script on a separate issue, never got any feedback about that). Are spammers are going to make a bad name for Mailman if they download and screw around with my scripts? Perhaps. But they could equally do damage (and in a less complex manner) with the standard tools available with Mailman. So I don't consider that I'm lowering the bar here. In my opinion, for most lists that I have ever managed or sub-managed for a manager that isn't a techie, subscribing and unsubscribing is hard. Indeed, unsubscribing requires a password, something that a lot of newbies or even longtime casual web users are visibly not able to fathom. The law in some countries implies that email unsubscription should be simpler than that. I put the emphasis on unsubscribing anyway. Automating subscription without a confirmation email (which is just a simple reply mechanism) is probably NOT a good idea. Automating subscription before making all posts require approval is NOT a good idea. I automate subscription without confirmation on my install on the provisos that all it is a once monthly announce list only. Also, the confirmation email is in English (or was at the time), whereas the list subscribers are all French, so every new subscription caused emails to the admin saying there was a bug in the subscription and they had this "strange English error message". Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From hannes at interexcel.co.za Mon Jan 26 10:41:31 2004 From: hannes at interexcel.co.za (Hannes Calitz) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:41:31 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1 Message-ID: <20040126094256.3F3C32D0F9@mail.interexcel.co.za> When trying to create a new list, I get the following error. HEEEEEEELLLLPPP!!!! Thanks Hannes Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in process_request File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.1-build/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in _update_maps RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) ________________________________________ Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Apr 18 2003, 08:23:15) [GCC 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 ________________________________________ Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/msword, application/x-shockwave-flash, */* CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_REFERER http://mail.interexcel.co.za/mailman/create SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.27 (Linux/SuSE) PHP/4.3.1 mod_perl/1.27 mod_jk/1.2.2-dev PYTHONPATH /usr/lib/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/create SERVER_ADMIN webmaster at mail.interexcel.co.za SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.27 Server at mail.interexcel.co.za Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST mail.interexcel.co.za SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL no-cache REQUEST_URI /mailman/create CONTENT_LENGTH 158 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1) HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive SERVER_NAME mail.interexcel.co.za REMOTE_ADDR 196.25.43.3 REMOTE_PORT 1776 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-za SERVER_ADDR 160.124.109.10 SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate UNIQUE_ID QBTfB6B8bQoAAEuVE at w DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/jbs/public_html/squirrelmail-1.4.0/ From detlef.neubauer at charite.de Mon Jan 26 10:51:20 2004 From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer) Date: 26 Jan 2004 10:51:20 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1 In-Reply-To: <20040126094256.3F3C32D0F9@mail.interexcel.co.za> References: <20040126094256.3F3C32D0F9@mail.interexcel.co.za> Message-ID: "Hannes Calitz" writes: > When trying to create a new list, I get the following error. ... > RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias > /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) Oh, i know this. Read Mit freundlichen Gruessen Detlef Neubauer -- .oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo. From bw at his.com Mon Jan 26 11:58:31 2004 From: bw at his.com (Bill Whitacre) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 05:58:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing host_name ... the hard way Message-ID: <93EE139E-4FEE-11D8-BFAF-000A95AF0BF6@his.com> I moved a Mac OS X Server box running Panther from one IP to another and am still getting the 'old' host_name showing up on all maillists. I can't use the admin form to change it because it tries to submit the change back to a URL that has the old host_name! Does anybody know where the host_name info is stored and how to change it in terminal? Thanks. bw --- Bill Whitacre bw at his.com From remko at elvandar.org Mon Jan 26 12:07:06 2004 From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:07:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing host_name ... the hard way In-Reply-To: <20040126105934.6C12717@mail.elvandar.org> Message-ID: <20040126110616.217352B4D73@redqueen.elvandar.org> in the bin directory lives a fix_url file, perhaps that works? -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens Bill Whitacre Verzonden: maandag 26 januari 2004 11:59 Aan: mailman-users at python.org Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] Changing host_name ... the hard way I moved a Mac OS X Server box running Panther from one IP to another and am still getting the 'old' host_name showing up on all maillists. I can't use the admin form to change it because it tries to submit the change back to a URL that has the old host_name! Does anybody know where the host_name info is stored and how to change it in terminal? Thanks. bw --- Bill Whitacre bw at his.com ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mailman-users%40lists.e lvandar.org _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list Mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org http://lists.elvandar.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From mailman at bronson.de Mon Jan 26 12:57:37 2004 From: mailman at bronson.de (Nik Engel) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:57:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Undeliverable Mail In-Reply-To: <20040114195141.GD14209@prometheus.int.netways.de> References: <20040114195141.GD14209@prometheus.int.netways.de> Message-ID: <20040126115737.GC18429@prometheus.int.slums.dyndns.org> * Nik Engel 2004-01-14 (08:51:41PM): > Any ideas how I can delete or stop this ? the mail is not stuck in the > mailq; that means it is coming from mailman again and again; is there a > queue too ? Anyway how is the procedure when bounces happen? Does somebody get informed ? Is there a possibility that the owner of the lists gets notified ? nik From admin at aitp.gotdns.org Sun Jan 25 22:44:38 2004 From: admin at aitp.gotdns.org (B.J. Ash) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:44:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.4 under Mac OS X Server 10.3.2 Message-ID: Hello, I have tried to upgrade my existing Mac OS X Server Mailman (v. 2.1.2) to v.2.1.4 and I received the following error while in make install: Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 45, in ? import paths File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/paths.py", line 55, in ? import japanese ImportError: No module named japanese make: *** [update] Error 1 I did some research on this and under OS X 10.2 it was a problem with the Python lib architecture set to i386 and PPC at the same time. This isn't the case in OS X 10.3. Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions would be very much appreciated on a workaround as my list is down right now :-) TIA. -- B.J. Ash admin at aitp.gotdns.org Information Technology Systems Specialist III From moritzengel at web.de Mon Jan 26 11:36:33 2004 From: moritzengel at web.de (Moritz Engel) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:36:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative requests for all lists Message-ID: <008201c3e3f8$442cd810$36440d81@laptopmoi> like many people, I maintain a number of mailman lists. It would be so nice if it would be possible to have a page where all administrative pending requests form all lists are mentioned. Especially that I have to log in to every list with administrative privileges separately is very time vasting. If there is a feature implemented or you have got an idea, please mail back. Thanks, Moritz --------------------------------------------------------- Moritz Engel AK Leiter IT VKW e.V. email moritz.engel at vkw.org web www.vkw.org From danny.rivera at web4rent.net Sun Jan 25 11:08:19 2004 From: danny.rivera at web4rent.net (danny) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:08:19 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Message-ID: <002b01c3e32b$2eccf9f0$0ac14ccb@Ibelong2Danny> Hi, I have used Mailman for our organization private mailing list name Sapimembers at sapivn.org. Now I have change my hosting and I would like to ask how I can transfer my mailing list file to the new hosting. The New hosting also has Mailman as their mailing list. Looking forward to your assistance. Thanks. Danny From vacations at bigdreamstravel.com Mon Jan 26 01:32:05 2004 From: vacations at bigdreamstravel.com (vacations at bigdreamstravel.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:32:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems using mailman Message-ID: <003e01c3e3a3$d33cafd0$6501a8c0@LittleKeem> Hello, I have a site with shared hosting through pronic solutions which usees Mailman as the mailing list including in my hosting package. I have tried to set up my mailing list, but have had no success sending a posting. I sent it to the list name dreamdeals at bigdreamstravelcom, but the mail was returned rejected. I made sure then to send it from the recognized list owners email address and nothing happened at all. I did not receive a rejected message, but the posting was not sent to the list, and I don't see anything in pending tasks. Secondly, I don't want list members to have to have a password to subscribe on unsubcribe, according to your website this is not required in version 2.1. Pronic is using 2.1.2 and I don't see how to turn this requirement off. I appreciate your assistance in getting my enewsletter mailing list up and running. Thank you Kimya Morris From root at looony.de Mon Jan 26 10:11:53 2004 From: root at looony.de (root) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:11:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron script Message-ID: <4014D9D9.9050009@looony.de> Hi List, I installed mailman out of the box from my suse 8.1 system. Downloaded compiled and installed the newest version 2.1.4. Mailman actually works fine but every minute i get a mail with the following content. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ? from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ? from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO Whats wrong? did I made a mistacke? Cu Christian From remko at elvandar.org Mon Jan 26 16:45:35 2004 From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:45:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman In-Reply-To: <20040126153811.3F2EA17@mail.elvandar.org> Message-ID: <20040126154450.318412B4D8F@redqueen.elvandar.org> perhaps the archives, public and private, and the lists/$yourlist thing? Cheers -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens danny Verzonden: zondag 25 januari 2004 11:08 Aan: mailman-users at python.org Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Hi, I have used Mailman for our organization private mailing list name Sapimembers at sapivn.org. Now I have change my hosting and I would like to ask how I can transfer my mailing list file to the new hosting. The New hosting also has Mailman as their mailing list. Looking forward to your assistance. Thanks. Danny ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mailman-users%40lists.e lvandar.org _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list Mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org http://lists.elvandar.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From reeprflame at lifeonedge.com Mon Jan 26 18:06:59 2004 From: reeprflame at lifeonedge.com (reeprflame at lifeonedge.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:06:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors on make install Message-ID: <4487.168.229.22.91.1075136819.squirrel@ww2.lifeonedge.com> when i install 2.1.4 i get this following error on make install command: Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ... Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 48, in ? from Mailman import MailList File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 49, in ? from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in ? from Archiver import * File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 36, in ? from Mailman.i18n import _ File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 52, in ? set_language() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 34, in set_language _translation = gettext.translation('mailman', mm_cfg.MESSAGES_DIR, AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'MESSAGES_DIR' make: *** [update] Error 1 i have no idea how to fix this and have tried redownloading and reinstalling into different directories ___________________ -Andrew Ragone Kc2LTO lifeonedge.com From paul at thcwd.com Mon Jan 26 20:31:07 2004 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:31:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Undeliverable Mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040126132904.080e20b8@mail.thcwd.com> Nik Engel wrote: >Anyway how is the procedure when bounces happen? Does somebody get >informed ? Is there a possibility that the owner of the lists gets >notified ? You really don't want to be notified of every bounce, trust me. You can be notified of suspensions and removals for bouncing, if you like. See http:///mailman/admin//bounce for information and settings. <>< Paul From craig.elkins at verizon.net Mon Jan 26 22:11:19 2004 From: craig.elkins at verizon.net (Craig Elkins) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:11:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: change welcome message email subject line Message-ID: <005c01c3e450$f188d920$0affff0a@computer> Hi, I've found documentation on how to change the subject line in the subscibe email welcome message but I'm afraid it was over my head. It suggested going to the appropriate language mailman.po file, changing the welcome message then running some command. 1. I can't find an english (no "en") directory in the messages directory 2. I'm afraid to run the command they refered to. can someone tell me what command, using telnet, i should run after updating this mailman.po file? Thanks! From brian at oneparkplace.com Mon Jan 26 22:22:29 2004 From: brian at oneparkplace.com (Brian Haines) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:22:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman looped Message-ID: <009701c3e452$814e9d50$0a01a8c0@brian2600> I have an "announce only" list of about 80,000 email addresses. I just started using Mailman and ran our list for the first time using it on Saturday. The program was still sending mail on Monday morning and I noticed that I received many of the same autoresponders, four and five times. And today (Monday) we had many of our members report that they received the message several times. I will try to give as much of the configuration as I can think of to give. Please forgive me as this is the first time using Mailman, and my first time administering a full Web server (I have much experience in shared hosting/virtual hosting). Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES 2.1, 1.3 GHz, 40 GB HD, 512 DDR RAM Mailman version 2.0.13 Sendmail version 8.11.6, config V9/Berkeley Apache version 1.3.27 I am not sure that is all anyone needs to try and help me. Thanks for any and all suggestions in advance! Brian Haines From sarzales at yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 23:51:47 2004 From: sarzales at yahoo.com (sara gonzales) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:51:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <20040126225147.46525.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From mleisher at crl.NMSU.Edu Tue Jan 27 00:50:04 2004 From: mleisher at crl.NMSU.Edu (Mark Leisher) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:50:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two problems with 2.1.3 Message-ID: <4015A7AC.9060402@crl.nmsu.edu> gcc 3.2.2 Python 2.3 Solaris 2.8 Two problems have come up in the past two days: 1. Non-critical. When a confirmation message arrives, there is a spurious colon on the end of the mailto:...... link. 2. Critical. Since rebooting a couple days ago, mailman can no longer write in the subdirectories of qfiles/ despite both owner and group being mailman. Another oddity is that the lock files in locks/ are being created with a date 24 hours in the future no matter what the system clock says. Any pointers on either problem appreciated. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Leisher Computing Research Lab The fury with which untenable beliefs New Mexico State University are defended is inversely proportional Box 30001, Dept. 3CRL to their defensibility. Las Cruces, NM 88003 -- Richard Dawkins From emechler at techometer.net Tue Jan 27 01:00:25 2004 From: emechler at techometer.net (Erick Mechler) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:00:25 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two problems with 2.1.3 In-Reply-To: <4015A7AC.9060402@crl.nmsu.edu> References: <4015A7AC.9060402@crl.nmsu.edu> Message-ID: <20040127000025.GU67083@techometer.net> :: 2. Critical. Since rebooting a couple days ago, mailman can no longer write :: in the subdirectories of qfiles/ despite both owner and group being mailman. Is the qrunner process running with the right UID/GID? I'd check your startup script. :: Another oddity is that the lock files in locks/ are being created with a :: date 24 hours in the future no matter what the system clock says. Is NFS involved? From mark at antsclimbtree.com Tue Jan 27 01:51:58 2004 From: mark at antsclimbtree.com (Mark Edwards) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:51:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown virtual host Message-ID: <02F3D8EC-5063-11D8-A863-000393C0ABC0@antsclimbtree.com> I've used the web interface to successfully add lists in the past, but for some reason today I got to do it and I get: Error: Unknown virtual host: secure.antsclimbtree.com secure.antsclimbtree.com is the SSL domain at my site, and it definitely works otherwise. Mail goes to that domain successfully. I tried adding via the newlist command line program, and that worked fine. Anyone know what this error means? Thanks! From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jan 27 00:08:23 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 00:08:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman looped In-Reply-To: <009701c3e452$814e9d50$0a01a8c0@brian2600> References: <009701c3e452$814e9d50$0a01a8c0@brian2600> Message-ID: At 4:22 PM -0500 2004/01/26, Brian Haines wrote: > I will try to give as much of the configuration as I can think of to give. > Please forgive me as this is the first time using Mailman, and my first time > administering a full Web server (I have much experience in shared > hosting/virtual hosting). To track this down, you need to know as much as you can about the duplicate messages. Specifically, you need to know the complete contents of all the headers in those messages. If you can track message-ids and queue-ids (assigned by the mail servers where the messages passed through), it should be able to determine where the duplicates were generated, and that is the first step to figuring out why. Your log data might also be able to help. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From hannes at interexcel.co.za Tue Jan 27 09:45:02 2004 From: hannes at interexcel.co.za (Hannes Calitz) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:45:02 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-mail headers Message-ID: <20040127084628.064422D24B@mail.interexcel.co.za> Hi Just wanted to know if there is any way of removing the *mailman-users-bounces+hannes=interexcel.co.za at python.org; on behalf* >From the e-mail header. HANNES CALITZ for petrus.gif - 29902 Bytes Mail: hannesc at interexcel.co.za Website: www.interexcel.net Interexcel Shop: www.interexcel.co.za Interexcel Consulting: www.interexcel.org Tel: 27 (12) 346 1685 Fax: 27 (12) 346 2516 PO Box 11697 Hatfield PRETORIA 0028 SOUTH AFRICA The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). This information may be subject to attorney and client or other privilege. It must not be disclosed to any person without InterExcel's permission. Please note that the recipient must scan this e-mail and any attached files for viruses and the like. InterExcel accepts no liability of whatever nature for any loss, liability, damage or expense resulting directly or indirectly from the access of any files which are attached to this message. From lee_19712003 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 14:20:01 2004 From: lee_19712003 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lee?=) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:20:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I set up a user-friendly write-to address? Message-ID: <20040127132002.16083.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I have Mailman installed as a standard option on my web host, but the only thing stopping me from moving over to it is the way the write-to email address is configured, which I feel is far too complicated for my users to grapple with. Here's how my list's address gets set up : incel_incelsite.com at incelsite.com where 'incel' is my chosen list name and 'incelsite.com' is my primary domain on that web account. I need to have the write-to address as simply : incel at incelsite.com Is there any way I can do this, maybe through an alias or forwarding? I've fiddled around but have had no success. In case it's relevant, I would need the list to be available to subscribers only, so we keep the option of blocking any potential troublemakers. Incidentally, 'incel' also happens to be the user name of that web account. This means that my 'ideal' list write-to address (above) would actually be the same as my account's default mail address. I don't know if this itself would cause me any trouble. If it would, I could obviously slightly re-set things to make the list write-to address something like : incel1 at incelsite.com many thanks for any help, lee ________________________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save ?80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk From andym at oak.njit.edu Tue Jan 27 15:01:56 2004 From: andym at oak.njit.edu (Andy Malato) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:01:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing illegal list member addresses Message-ID: Hello All: I have a situation where one of my list adminstrators managed to get illegal characters into the address field, so there are about a dozen addresses that appear invalid. list_members -i offending_list shows address such as this: user.user at host.domain\240 user.user at host.domain - sometext user.user at host.domain - sometext u s e r @ h o s t . d o m a i n user.user at host.domain\240 \240user.user at host.domain And the list just goes on for about another 10 lines or so. I tried putting the list of addresses in a file and using the -f option to remove_members, but that caused the remove_members script to bomb with errors such as the following: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/export/mailman/bin/remove_members", line 186, in ? main() File "/export/mailman/bin/remove_members", line 176, in main admin_notif, userack) File "/export/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 946, in ApprovedDeleteMember self.removeMember(emailaddr) File "/export/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 220, in removeMember self.__assertIsMember(member) File "/export/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 113, in __assertIsMember raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: a.sutherland at engf.canterbury.ac.nz-alex Does anyone know how I can remove these illegal addresses from this list? We are running mailman version 2.13 Thanks, ---Andy From mleisher at crl.NMSU.Edu Tue Jan 27 16:06:58 2004 From: mleisher at crl.NMSU.Edu (Mark Leisher) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:06:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two problems with 2.1.3 In-Reply-To: <20040127000025.GU67083@techometer.net> References: <4015A7AC.9060402@crl.nmsu.edu> <20040127000025.GU67083@techometer.net> Message-ID: <40167E92.1070801@crl.nmsu.edu> Erick Mechler wrote: > :: 2. Critical. Since rebooting a couple days ago, mailman can no longer write > :: in the subdirectories of qfiles/ despite both owner and group being mailman. > > Is the qrunner process running with the right UID/GID? I'd check your > startup script. It is running with UID/GID both set to mailman. > :: Another oddity is that the lock files in locks/ are being created with a > :: date 24 hours in the future no matter what the system clock says. > > Is NFS involved? No. Everything is local to this machine except for NIS info. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Leisher Computing Research Lab The fury with which untenable beliefs New Mexico State University are defended is inversely proportional Box 30001, Dept. 3CRL to their defensibility. Las Cruces, NM 88003 -- Richard Dawkins From craig.elkins at verizon.net Tue Jan 27 16:10:49 2004 From: craig.elkins at verizon.net (Craig Elkins) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:10:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two problems with 2.1.3 References: <4015A7AC.9060402@crl.nmsu.edu><20040127000025.GU67083@techometer.net> <40167E92.1070801@crl.nmsu.edu> Message-ID: <005901c3e4e7$bfc45800$0affff0a@computer> anyone have any idea how to change the subject line in the welcome email for english??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Leisher" To: "Erick Mechler" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Two problems with 2.1.3 > Erick Mechler wrote: > > :: 2. Critical. Since rebooting a couple days ago, mailman can no longer write > > :: in the subdirectories of qfiles/ despite both owner and group being mailman. > > > > Is the qrunner process running with the right UID/GID? I'd check your > > startup script. > > It is running with UID/GID both set to mailman. > > > :: Another oddity is that the lock files in locks/ are being created with a > > :: date 24 hours in the future no matter what the system clock says. > > > > Is NFS involved? > > No. Everything is local to this machine except for NIS info. > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Mark Leisher > Computing Research Lab The fury with which untenable beliefs > New Mexico State University are defended is inversely proportional > Box 30001, Dept. 3CRL to their defensibility. > Las Cruces, NM 88003 -- Richard Dawkins > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: craig.elkins at verizon.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/craig.elkins%40verizon.net > From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Jan 27 16:24:17 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:24:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I set up a user-friendly write-to address? In-Reply-To: <20040127132002.16083.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040127132002.16083.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040127152417.GH21263@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lee wrote: > I have Mailman installed as a standard option on my web host, but > the only thing stopping me from moving over to it is the way the > write-to email address is configured, which I feel is far too > complicated for my users to grapple with. > > Here's how my list's address gets set up : > > incel_incelsite.com at incelsite.com Sounds like you're hosted on a site using cPanel. See the archives for how well regarded the cPanel patches to mailman are around here. Then complain to your host. This is not a mailman issue. > I need to have the write-to address as simply : > > incel at incelsite.com This is how mailman does it by default. The cPanel folks muck up the mailman source and then inflict it on the world. They don't even have the courtesy to make the changes easily available so that someone could fix the things they break in the process. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Years ago fairy tales all began with "Once upon a time...", now we know they all begin with, "If I am elected..." -- Carolyn Warner -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFAFoKhuv+09NZUB1oRAjkKAJ9R5AYJ7QZRPt4FtP7jUS6pW2PIBQCfU6g8 SJIB7pHYrKsarOHJp6BbwjA= =tM+S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Tim at yingtong.co.uk Tue Jan 27 16:27:54 2004 From: Tim at yingtong.co.uk (Tim Walter) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:27:54 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Being removed from lists Message-ID: I have just installed mailman onto a RAQ4 successfully and all is running fine. However I have 3 lists, called emis-list@ gv-list@ and community@ gv-list@ and community@ periodically send me messages saying I am suspended due to excessive bouncing. This has happened about 10 times since creation and AFAIK is only happening to me the list-owner! (I receive all the owner, bounce, request messages to all three lists. I can't see why I am the only one being suspended. Any clues since I get 500 plus messages delivered successfully every day!) Tim -- Tim Walter Emis NUG website http://www.emisnug.org.uk/index.asp To join the NUG, phone 0191 487 4571 The Emis-list archive is at http://www.medhost.co.uk/forum/ Join/leave at http://www.emisnug.org.uk/online From lee_19712003 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 16:43:05 2004 From: lee_19712003 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lee?=) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:43:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I set up a user-friendly write-to address? In-Reply-To: <20040127152417.GH21263@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20040127154305.58807.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com> hello Todd, thanks - yes, that's interesting - my access is via cpanel. hmmm - it sounds like I'm stuck with it then. I'll ask the support team at my host anyway, who are genuinely very helpful with most things. I don't suppose you know of a way to configure my mailman without cpanel? I'm guessing I could install a fresh source but would have access trouble to any necessary root directories for set up. Many thanks, lee --- Todd wrote: > -----> > Sounds like you're hosted on a site using cPanel. > See the archives > for how well regarded the cPanel patches to mailman > are around here. > Then complain to your host. This is not a mailman > issue. > > > I need to have the write-to address as simply : > > > > incel at incelsite.com > > This is how mailman does it by default. The cPanel > folks muck up the > mailman source and then inflict it on the world. > They don't even have > the courtesy to make the changes easily available so > that someone > could fix the things they break in the process. > . ________________________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save ?80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Jan 27 17:05:25 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:05:25 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I set up a user-friendly write-to address? In-Reply-To: <20040127152417.GH21263@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20040127132002.16083.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com> <20040127152417.GH21263@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <9E004102-50E2-11D8-AC79-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On 27 Jan 2004, at 15:24, Todd wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Lee wrote: >> I have Mailman installed as a standard option on my web host, but >> the only thing stopping me from moving over to it is the way the >> write-to email address is configured, which I feel is far too >> complicated for my users to grapple with. >> >> Here's how my list's address gets set up : >> >> incel_incelsite.com at incelsite.com > > Sounds like you're hosted on a site using cPanel. See the archives > for how well regarded the cPanel patches to mailman are around here. > Then complain to your host. This is not a mailman issue. I may be wrong but I think you can send messages to incel at incelsite.com and that the incel_incelsite.com@.com is only how the list name is "viewed" through the Mailman web GUI. See below for more on why I think this is the case. > >> I need to have the write-to address as simply : >> >> incel at incelsite.com > > This is how mailman does it by default. The cPanel folks muck up the > mailman source and then inflict it on the world. That is not entirely fair. CPanel have decided to modify Mailman to overcome the real problem of listname collisions on a machine supporting multiple hostnames. Mailman listnames occupy a single namespace per real machine and Mailman provides no means to qualify listnames with a hostname. I view that as an unresolved deficiency in Mailman and its way of handling virtual hosts. CPanel's modifications deal with the problem by "lying" to Mailman about a list's name by introducing the virtual host into each listname. The only installation of Mailman under CPanel I have seen was using Exim as MTA and if I recollect, postings to addresses like alist at virtual1.host.tld were delivered to Mailman as if the had been posted to alist_virtual1.host.tld at the-real.host.tld. This allowed Mailman to cope with also having alist at virtual2.host.tld supported on the same machine as it would see posts to the second virtual host as alist_virtual2.host.tld at the-real.host.tld, that is Mailman would see two independent lists called alist_virtual1.host.tld and alist_virtual2.host.tld. Without CPanel's mods, what the outside world would see as alist at virtual1.host.tld and alist at virtual2.host.tld Mailman would see as a the same list if virtual1.host.tld and virtual2.host.tld resolved to the same machine the-real.host.tld CPanel's implementation may be edgy, even flakey, and they would probably be doing themselves and people using the modified Mailman they ship a favor if the published their modification; they might find that people would help them get it right. But the only people with the right to demand access to the mods appear to be the hosting providers; to the letter but maybe not the spirit of Open Software. Unfortunately, while CPanel treat their modifications to Open Software as proprietary and they get it wrong, it is Mailman's reputation that suffers; just look at the number of queries posted to this list on CPanel related problems. > They don't even have > the courtesy to make the changes easily available so that someone > could fix the things they break in the process. > > - -- > Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From craig.elkins at verizon.net Tue Jan 27 17:33:54 2004 From: craig.elkins at verizon.net (Craig Elkins) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:33:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: mailman.po - english version? Message-ID: <00ab01c3e4f3$5b36a6c0$0affff0a@computer> Hi, Can anyone tell me where the english (US) version of mailman.po is? I need to change the subject line in my welcome message and i can't find it in the messages directory. Thanks, Craig From pedolzky at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 26 17:14:56 2004 From: pedolzky at bellsouth.net (Helmut Pedolzky) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:14:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman website problems. some cgi's work, Message-ID: <000601c3e427$8a5e7710$0101a8c0@HELMUT> I have a desk top and a lap top computer hooked up to a fast access DSL modem, every thing works fine till I try to enter the ebay web site on the desk top. I can connect to the ebay home page and to the My ebay page however If I like to enter to the line items the fast access will not work anymore. It just freezes up. The strange thing is I can access the ebay site with the lap top without a problem. When I take the router of the DSL modem and hook the desk top up without the router and the lap top the ebay woks just fine. Can you explain what my problem is. I have talked to many people and have not been able to solve this problem. Thanks in advance, Regards, Helmut Pedolzky From sidhu at iiitmk.ac.in Tue Jan 27 07:36:18 2004 From: sidhu at iiitmk.ac.in (P. Siddhartha, System Administrator) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:06:18 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgraded mailman not working Message-ID: <401606E2.50306@iiitmk.ac.in> Dear Mailman, I have upgraded Mailman from mailman-2.0.13-3 to mailman-2.1-8 on RedHat 9.0 I had taken a backup of my old mailman list archive using tar and then transferred to the new version. Basically I had said tar -Pcvf Mailman_old.tar.gz /var/mailman/archives and untarred it using tar -Pxvf Mailman_old.tar.gz I made entries to the /etc/aliases file and ran # newaliases I am able to view all the archives but am not able to archive any new ones. Could you help me. Regards, Sidhu From bec_stupak at yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 18:14:32 2004 From: bec_stupak at yahoo.com (honeygun) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:14:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] quick question re: interface resetting Message-ID: <20040126171432.36763.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com> hello, i went in to edit the signup interface on my email form and accidentally made it dysfunctional... is there a way to reset the appearance of the signup page so that i can have it look like the default? thanks, bec http://www.honeygunlabs.com/contact.html ===== http://www.honeygunlabs.com READ ABOUT US IN THE NY TIMES! http://www.brigadierproductions.com/nytimes/nyt.html http://www.brigadierproductions.com/nytimes/tips.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From noura at scs-net.org Mon Jan 12 20:57:13 2004 From: noura at scs-net.org (nabulsi website) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:57:13 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] my mailinglist Message-ID: <000001c3d946$75a399e0$53e2b2d5@t2b1d9> Hello, My name is Noora and I have a domain that is nabulsi1.com the company I am using its server is sitelutions.com which use mailman for its mailinglist. I have a question since I am new to the mailing lists thing. I created my mailing list and I am the owner of it. it is informative I want to send info through it to my members. What I don't understand and please don't refer me to any page to read because I did but I didn't find the answer to my question, my question is that how can I send my post to my members in a way that the Email sender shows the mailing list Email which is: nabulsimailinglist at nabulsi1.com. Because when I send my post I send it to that Email but when members recieve it the Email of the sender showes my private Email which is noura at scs-net.org not the mailing list Email. So how can I send my posts in a way that shows the sender as the mailing list Email address. Thank you noora From brandon at klayman.biz Tue Jan 27 18:02:48 2004 From: brandon at klayman.biz (Brandon Klayman) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:02:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question Message-ID: <004b01c3e4f7$64493440$0d00fea9@oneness> Hi, I'm using mailman as part of my web server solutions that I offer my clients, I'm new with it, and love it, thanks for making it free, open, and available! I have a question: I'm trying to set up a new list so that it's only used for the list manager to send out e-mails to subscribers (members) I don't want the members to be able to e-mail the list, of course they can e-mail the list manager, but not to everyone else, Can you tell me how to do this? I've tried to find it in the documentation and other sources, and can't find it! Be Creative, Brandon Klayman Creative Solutionist Conscious Commerce Creating Holistic Business Solutions Web: www.consciouscommerce.cc e-mail: brandon at klayman.biz wireless: 416.715.1721 Personal Web: www.klayman.biz From lee_19712003 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 18:24:36 2004 From: lee_19712003 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lee?=) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:24:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: Noora's mailman question Message-ID: <20040127172436.72950.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com> hello Noora, I have exactly the same set up as you. Go to your mail icon in c panel, and get to edit your list. When you're in, there's a setting at the bottom of the 'privacy settings' which should be the one you're looking for here. hope that helps, lee --- nabulsi website wrote: > Hello, > My name is Noora and I have a domain that is > nabulsi1.com the company I am using its server is > sitelutions.com which use mailman for its > mailinglist. > I have a question since I am new to the mailing > lists thing. > I created my mailing list and I am the owner of it. > it is informative I want to send info through it to > my members. > What I don't understand and please don't refer me to > any page to read because I did but I didn't find the > answer to my question, my question is that how can I > send my post to my members in a way that the Email > sender shows the mailing list Email which is: > nabulsimailinglist at nabulsi1.com. > Because when I send my post I send it to that Email > but when members recieve it the Email of the sender > showes my private Email which is noura at scs-net.org > not the mailing list Email. > So how can I send my posts in a way that shows the > sender as the mailing list Email address. > Thank you > noora > ________________________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save ?80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Jan 27 19:10:02 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:10:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question In-Reply-To: <004b01c3e4f7$64493440$0d00fea9@oneness> References: <004b01c3e4f7$64493440$0d00fea9@oneness> Message-ID: <20040127181002.GI21263@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brandon Klayman wrote: > I don't want the members to be able to e-mail the list, of course > they can e-mail the list manager, but not to everyone else, > > Can you tell me how to do this? I've tried to find it in the > documentation and other sources, and can't find it! So you're saying you haven't found the answer in the Mailman FAQ? - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== If barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends? -- Jack Handy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFAFql6uv+09NZUB1oRAvTQAJ4qga4eSNn/tHLXdz6GDMeErfSa5QCgv5mR nW5yhhUMtO7JEvJRaQBv33c= =0zIH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From thavens at harborpro.com Tue Jan 27 20:01:56 2004 From: thavens at harborpro.com (Tom) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:01:56 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailmail-MHonArc Integration Message-ID: <20040127190213.72C5B36EA0@mail01.powweb.com> Could someone please point me to the procedure to integrate MHonArc to Mailman. Thanks! From webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org Tue Jan 27 20:02:37 2004 From: webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org (Jeff D) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:02:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman website problems. some cgi's work, In-Reply-To: <000601c3e427$8a5e7710$0101a8c0@HELMUT> References: <000601c3e427$8a5e7710$0101a8c0@HELMUT> Message-ID: <17150.161.114.64.71.1075230157.squirrel@www.fifedrum.org> What does this have to do with Mailman? Helmut Pedolzky said: > I have a desk top and a lap top computer hooked up to a fast access DSL > modem, every thing works fine till I try to enter the ebay web site on > the desk top. I can connect to the ebay home page and to the My ebay > page however If I like to enter to the line items the fast access will > not work anymore. It just freezes up. The strange thing is I can access > the ebay site with the lap top without a problem. When I take the router > of the DSL modem and hook the desk top up without the router and the lap > top the ebay woks just fine. Can you explain what my problem is. I have > talked to many people and have not been able to solve this problem. > From paul at thcwd.com Tue Jan 27 20:05:52 2004 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:05:52 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto reject "Re: Digest ...." In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040127130000.02046400@mail.thcwd.com> I have just joined a mail list run by Lyris. The system is configured to reject, with explanation, any post that has something like "Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 61". Anyone come up with a hack to do that on Mailman? It looks like I could set up a regexp in Spam filters, but this would hold rather than reject the message. <>< Paul From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jan 27 20:15:43 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:15:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing illegal list member addresses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 9:01 AM -0500 2004/01/27, Andy Malato wrote: > I have a situation where one of my list adminstrators managed to get > illegal characters into the address field, so there are about a dozen > addresses that appear invalid. See . -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jan 27 20:11:50 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:11:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question In-Reply-To: <004b01c3e4f7$64493440$0d00fea9@oneness> References: <004b01c3e4f7$64493440$0d00fea9@oneness> Message-ID: At 12:02 PM -0500 2004/01/27, Brandon Klayman wrote: > I have a question: I'm trying to set up a new list so that it's only > used for the list manager to send out e-mails to subscribers (members) > > I don't want the members to be able to e-mail the list, of course they > can e-mail the list manager, but not to everyone else, See . -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jan 27 20:18:08 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:18:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-mail headers In-Reply-To: <20040127084628.064422D24B@mail.interexcel.co.za> References: <20040127084628.064422D24B@mail.interexcel.co.za> Message-ID: At 10:45 AM +0200 2004/01/27, Hannes Calitz wrote: > Just wanted to know if there is any way of removing the > *mailman-users-bounces+hannes=interexcel.co.za at python.org; on behalf* > From the e-mail header. See . -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Jan 27 20:57:02 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 27 Jan 2004 14:57:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailmail-MHonArc Integration In-Reply-To: <20040127190213.72C5B36EA0@mail01.powweb.com> References: <20040127190213.72C5B36EA0@mail01.powweb.com> Message-ID: <1075233421.3302.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-01-27 at 14:01, Tom wrote: > Could someone please point me to the procedure to integrate MHonArc to > Mailman. Thanks! > http://www.mhonarc.org/ I simply add a local user to each list and use that user for archiving using Mhonarc. From theall at tifaware.com Tue Jan 27 20:57:56 2004 From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:57:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailmail-MHonArc Integration In-Reply-To: <20040127190213.72C5B36EA0@mail01.powweb.com> References: <20040127190213.72C5B36EA0@mail01.powweb.com> Message-ID: <20040127195756.GB3620@tifaware.com> On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 01:01:56PM -0600, Tom wrote: > Could someone please point me to the procedure to integrate MHonArc to > Mailman. Thanks! I found OpenInfo's patches do an excellent job of this: http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/ especially patches 444879, 444884, 760567, and 820723. The first two aren't for MHonArc per se; instead, they add the ability to search archives using htdig. By the way, one point I didn't find mentioned on OpenInfo's site -- apply the patches *before* configuring the mailman source. George -- theall at tifaware.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040127/baef6112/attachment.pgp From andym at oak.njit.edu Tue Jan 27 21:18:04 2004 From: andym at oak.njit.edu (Andy Malato) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:18:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing illegal list member addresses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Brad Knowles wrote: ! At 9:01 AM -0500 2004/01/27, Andy Malato wrote: ! ! > I have a situation where one of my list adminstrators managed to get ! > illegal characters into the address field, so there are about a dozen ! > addresses that appear invalid. ! ! See . ! Ok, that solution works, I had an alias pointing to an earlier version of Python, which caused the odd messages. Thanks for your help. ---Andy From denlistes at altern.org Tue Jan 27 21:22:14 2004 From: denlistes at altern.org (Denis) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:22:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnpicklingError Message-ID: <1075234933.1432.14.camel@den> Hello, First i have a problem whith a config.pck. I resolve the problem when i copy the config.pck.last to config.pck But, i have now this error and i don't now what i can do Can someone help me ? Thanks Denis * Traceback (most recent call last): File "./list_lists", line 122, in ? main() File "./list_lists", line 94, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ self.Load() File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 573, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 546, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, '-'. From andym at oak.njit.edu Tue Jan 27 21:09:01 2004 From: andym at oak.njit.edu (Andy Malato) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:09:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing illegal list member addresses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Brad Knowles wrote: ! At 9:01 AM -0500 2004/01/27, Andy Malato wrote: ! ! > I have a situation where one of my list adminstrators managed to get ! > illegal characters into the address field, so there are about a dozen ! > addresses that appear invalid. ! ! See . ! Thanks, but attempting to use that solution causes this error message: Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/withlist", line 126, in ? from Mailman import Utils File "/export/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 26, in ? from __future__ import nested_scopes ImportError: No module named __future__ >>> Any suggestions as to what is causing those errors? Thanks, ---Andy From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Tue Jan 27 16:12:54 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:12:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-mail headers References: <20040127084628.064422D24B@mail.interexcel.co.za> Message-ID: "Hannes Calitz" schrieb: > Just wanted to know if there is any way of removing the > > *mailman-users-bounces+hannes=interexcel.co.za at python.org; on behalf* Not quite. You could surely use another mailreader, that doesn't show From: and Sender: in this rather ... special way. This topic was discussed less than one week ago here on this list, beginning with <200401211227.i0LCRlc14287 at unique-vps.datagate.net.uk> with a subject of "[Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook". You may want to have a look at the archives. -thh From mleisher at crl.NMSU.Edu Tue Jan 27 21:45:27 2004 From: mleisher at crl.NMSU.Edu (Mark Leisher) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:45:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Two problems with 2.1.3 - one solved Message-ID: <4016CDE7.4060804@crl.nmsu.edu> I solved the second problem of mailman being unable to write into the queue directories and a time stamp in the future when I noticed that all the ownership and permissions in /var/adm/sm.bin/ (smrsh exec dir) were messed up. They got messed up in a bizarre OS problem that caused all partitions to be reported as full. Permissions got messed up during the reboot. Thanks to everyone who took a stab at this. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Leisher Computing Research Lab The fury with which untenable beliefs New Mexico State University are defended is inversely proportional Box 30001, Dept. 3CRL to their defensibility. Las Cruces, NM 88003 -- Richard Dawkins From Ljun84 at aol.com Tue Jan 27 22:02:42 2004 From: Ljun84 at aol.com (Ljun84 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:02:42 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 16, Issue 63 Message-ID: <12.3b6857b0.2d482bf2@aol.com> please don't send any more e-mail. From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Jan 27 22:28:05 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:28:05 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailmail-MHonArc Integration In-Reply-To: <20040127190213.72C5B36EA0@mail01.powweb.com> References: <20040127190213.72C5B36EA0@mail01.powweb.com> Message-ID: On 27 Jan 2004, at 19:01, Tom wrote: > Could someone please point me to the procedure to integrate MHonArc to > Mailman. Thanks! > > One option is the following patch but there are other, arguably simpler, but less functional approaches: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/? func=detail&aid=820723&group_id=103&atid=300103 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Barrett http://www.openinfo.co.uk From mic at npgx.com.au Wed Jan 28 03:23:55 2004 From: mic at npgx.com.au (Michael Mansour) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:23:55 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone move their mailman to different server? In-Reply-To: References: <1074714982.3184.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040128022013.M23648@npgx.com.au> > At 2:56 PM -0500 1/21/04, Jon Carnes wrote: > >On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 12:16, Mark London wrote: > >> I've seen a bunch of people asking about how to do a move to a > >> different server (with a different IP name), but no one ever answers > >> them! Has anyone actually done it? I'm keeping the same path names > >> for everything, but the lists don't show up on the web interface (I > > > can create a list and that works fine). Thanks! > > > >Many of those folks have been answered, but when the question and answer > >have been in the FAQ for a Long Long time, we old-time Mailman guru's > >often ignore the question. > > > >It's trivial to move to another server. If you keep the same domain name > >(and host name) it's even more trivial. > > > >If your host name changes then in version 2.1.x you need to use the > >Mailman command "fix_url" in conjunction with withlist: > > ~mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url -u > > Hi - THANKS! Unfortunately, that information is not in the FAQ file > which comes with the source distribution. Also, the online mailman > wizard basically doesn't give you that information also. The only > relevant topic there is "How do I > migrate a list from one box to another?", but unfortunately, the > answer to that topic has never been filled in! Still under > construction. Even if you do a search for fix_url, the only > relevant topic is "Where can I change a list or the default URL used > for the web interface?" Most of that topic talks about virtual > hosts, and the information about fix_url only occurs way at the end > of the answer, and only briefly described in the following sentence: > "If you want to update existing lists the $prefix/bin/withlist > script $prefix/bin/fix_url.py is your friend for resetting things. > Just run fix_url.py to get its usage" This sentence only makes > sense to me, after reading your email message! :) > > And then try using google to search for "moving mailman" or "move > mailman" or "migrating mailman". The information about fix_url is > basically not there. > > So basically someone finally has to answer the unanswered topic in > the FAQ wizard. :) -Mark I'm about to perform this sometime this weekend ie. I'm intending on moving my mailman lists (and archives) from a Red Hat Linux 8.0 server to a Fedora Core 1 server. Red Hat 8.0 runs mailman-2.0.13-3 and Fedora Core 1 runs mailman-2.1.2-2 The FC1 machine is currently a fresh install. Is there any advice someone could give me in regards to the steps involved in performing this? Thanks. Michael. From reeprflame at lifeonedge.com Wed Jan 28 04:33:41 2004 From: reeprflame at lifeonedge.com (reeprflame at lifeonedge.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:33:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] check-perms errors Message-ID: <45565.67.80.41.113.1075260821.squirrel@ww2.lifeonedge.com> Traceback (most recent call last): File "./check_perms", line 48, in ? from Mailman.i18n import _ File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 52, in ? set_language() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 34, in set_language _translation = gettext.translation('mailman', mm_cfg.MESSAGES_DIR, AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'MESSAGES_DIR' those are the errors displayed when i run checkperms. i have no idea how to fix this or what the i18n.py file is....any help is appriciated ___________________ -Andrew Ragone Kc2LTO lifeonedge.com ___________________ -Andrew Ragone Kc2LTO lifeonedge.com From mmlist at mikephillips.com Wed Jan 28 05:31:17 2004 From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:31:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] who command Message-ID: I am the adminstrator and subscriber to a list. I sent a command to list-request at mydomain.com with the body of the message "who ". The server responded, "You are not allowed to retrieve the list membership." "Who can view subscription list?" is set to list members. Is there another setting to allow me to get the list membership by email? What I am trying to do is move the membership of one MailMan list to another one. The real question is, how can I get a simple listing of the membership (one email address per line) so that I can do a mass subscription on a second list? Thanks. From mmlist at mikephillips.com Wed Jan 28 06:04:03 2004 From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:04:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] who command Message-ID: Never mind. It helps to use the right password. That being said, how can a subscriber cause his password to be resent? I had to unsubscribe and then resubscribe myself to find my missing (subscriber) password. > I am the adminstrator and subscriber to a list. I sent a command to > list-request at mydomain.com with the body of the message "who > ". The server responded, "You are not allowed to retrieve the > list membership." "Who can view subscription list?" is set to list > members. Is there another setting to allow me to get the list > membership by email? > > What I am trying to do is move the membership of one MailMan list to > another one. The real question is, how can I get a simple listing of > the membership (one email address per line) so that I can do a mass > subscription on a second list? > > Thanks. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users% 40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: mmlist at mikephillips.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mmlist% 40mikephillips.com > > From Jean.BERTHOLD at eosholding.ch Wed Jan 28 14:44:27 2004 From: Jean.BERTHOLD at eosholding.ch (BERTHOLD Jean) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:44:27 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to purge correctly old messages ? Message-ID: <5B70D5810B3B944194C5C0BFE1C605EB045207@EXCHANGELSN.sila.local> Hello, Please, I have this big archive: root at vanuatu # pwd /usr/local/mailman/archives/private root at vanuatu # root at vanuatu # du -sh etrans* 2.4G etrans-echanges 645M etrans-echanges.mbox root at vanuatu # root at vanuatu # pwd /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/etrans-echanges root at vanuatu # du -sh database 903M database root at vanuatu # How to remove the oldest messages correctly ? For example, is it sufficient to only delete files under: root at vanuatu # pwd /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/etrans-echanges root at vanuatu # du -sh 20030625* 5.9M 20030625 4.1M 20030625.txt 120K 20030625.txt.gz root at vanuatu # Or do I need delete related files under: root at vanuatu # pwd /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/etrans-echanges/database root at vanuatu # du -sh 20030625* 5.9M 20030625-article 12K 20030625-author 10K 20030625-date 15K 20030625-subject 10K 20030625-thread root at vanuatu # And after the previous delete , is this file will be updated automatiquely: root at vanuatu # pwd /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/etrans-echanges.mbox root at vanuatu # ls etrans-echanges.mbox root at vanuatu # du -sh * 645M etrans-echanges.mbox root at vanuatu # Is there somewhere a script for automatic purge ? By date criteria ... I cannot find documentation about that ... Thanks for your help and have a nice day EOS Holding Jean Berthold Administrateur Unix & Oracle Unit? Gestion de l'infrastructure Team Syst?mes Ch. de Mornex 10 T?l. +41(0)21 341 24 58 Fax +41(0)21 341 20 49 jean.berthold at eosholding.ch From mmlist at mikephillips.com Wed Jan 28 15:33:56 2004 From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:33:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] who command Message-ID: New problem. When I send "who " (the correct one this time) to the server, it responds with the AutoResponse, but it is not sending me the list, nor is it croaking on me. It's doing nothing. I'm sure I have the syntax correct as I have had it work once or twice. The email to list-request at mydomain.com is in plain text. Anything I can check to see what is wrong? Maybe I screwed up something in the configuration. (I don't have root access to the shared server.) Mike Phillips > I am the adminstrator and subscriber to a list. I sent a command to > list-request at mydomain.com with the body of the message "who > ". The server responded, "You are not allowed to retrieve the > list membership." "Who can view subscription list?" is set to list > members. Is there another setting to allow me to get the list > membership by email? > > What I am trying to do is move the membership of one MailMan list to > another one. The real question is, how can I get a simple listing of > the membership (one email address per line) so that I can do a mass > subscription on a second list? > > Thanks. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users% 40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: mmlist at mikephillips.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mmlist% 40mikephillips.com > > From skip at pobox.com Wed Jan 28 15:41:28 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:41:28 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] who command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16407.51736.624022.225169@montanaro.dyndns.org> Mike> That being said, how can a subscriber cause his password to be Mike> resent? I had to unsubscribe and then resubscribe myself to find Mike> my missing (subscriber) password. On the listinfo page: http://mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/list enter your email address in tha last slot and click "Unsubscribe or edit options". On the page which is displayed there's an "Email my password to me" button. -- Skip Montanaro Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/submit.html Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/ skip at pobox.com From craig.elkins at verizon.net Wed Jan 28 17:48:44 2004 From: craig.elkins at verizon.net (Craig Elkins) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:48:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: auto confirm change of password? Message-ID: <00b401c3e5be$97c93a00$0affff0a@computer> Hi, Is it possible for me to configure mailman so when a member changes their password it is automatically emailed to them? currently i can change it but i don't get a confirmation email unless i click the forgot password button. thanks, From chipster at norlug.org Wed Jan 28 18:56:33 2004 From: chipster at norlug.org (Chip Cuccio) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:56:33 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.4 CGI issues Message-ID: <20040128175633.GB1654@raider.norlug.org> Hello. Yesterday, we upgraded from Mailman 2.0.13 to 2.1.4 on our Red Hat Linux 7.3 server. All went well, and everything worked fine. This AM, someone notified me that they could not access any of the listinfo pages for our various lists. I checked, and the listinfo page indeed just hangs until the browser returns a timeout. The archive pages work fine, as does the listinfo page without specifying a list. Anyone seen this before? Why would it work fine yesterday, and not today? I have pasted the traceback below Thank you. Jan 28 11:42:18 2004 admin(1451): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ admin(1451): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.4 -----] admin(1451): [----- Traceback ------] admin(1451): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(1451): File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 88, in run_main admin(1451): sys.__stdout__.write(tempstdout.getvalue()) admin(1451): IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe admin(1451): [----- Python Information -----] admin(1451): sys.version = 2.2.2 (#1, Jan 30 2003, 21:26:22) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96-112)] admin(1451): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python2 admin(1451): sys.prefix = /usr admin(1451): sys.exec_prefix = /usr admin(1451): sys.path = /usr admin(1451): sys.platform = linux2 admin(1451): [----- Environment Variables -----] admin(1451): PATH_INFO: /norlug admin(1451): HTTP_REFERER: http://norlug.org/?op=lists admin(1451): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.29 admin(1451): PYTHONPATH: /var/mailman admin(1451): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /var/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo admin(1451): SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at norlug.org admin(1451): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/listinfo admin(1451): SERVER_SIGNATURE:
Apache/1.3.29 Server at norlug.org Port 80
admin(1451): admin(1451): REQUEST_METHOD: GET admin(1451): HTTP_HOST: norlug.org admin(1451): HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300 admin(1451): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 admin(1451): QUERY_STRING: admin(1451): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/listinfo/norlug admin(1451): HTTP_ACCEPT: text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 admin(1451): HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 admin(1451): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686) Gecko/20031119 Galeon/1.3.7 admin(1451): HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive admin(1451): SERVER_NAME: norlug.org admin(1451): REMOTE_ADDR: 168.230.130.248 admin(1451): REMOTE_PORT: 59241 admin(1451): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en admin(1451): PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www_norlug.org/html/norlug admin(1451): SERVER_PORT: 80 admin(1451): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 admin(1451): REMOTE_HOST: idt-fw1.fairisaac.com admin(1451): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate, compress;q=0.9 admin(1451): SERVER_ADDR: 192.168.1.10 admin(1451): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www_norlug.org/html -- Chip Cuccio | chipster[at]norlug[.]org NORLUG VP and Sysadmin | Northfield Linux Users' Group | Northfield, Minnesota USA From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Wed Jan 28 07:23:01 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 07:23:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] who command References: Message-ID: "Mike Phillips" schrieb: > That being said, how can a subscriber cause his password to be resent? > I had to unsubscribe and then resubscribe myself to find my missing > (subscriber) password. Did you try the web interface? -thh From fred at metalab.unc.edu Wed Jan 28 23:55:54 2004 From: fred at metalab.unc.edu (Fred Stutzman) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:55:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.4 info/html issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, We recently upgraded to Mailman 2.1.4, and we're encountering an issue that I can't seem to track down. Our user had previously configured their "info" option to include html information. Until the upgrade, this has always displayed on the list front page as html. The html is now being displayed as text. You can see an example of this by visiting: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/pbs For example : Pacific Bulb Society Mailing List I've spent a few hours attempting to track this issue down, but I'm running out of options. I've messed with the DEFAULT_CONVERT_HTML_TO_PLAINTEXT options, and re-entered the "info" information with pure, compliant HTML. I didn't see anything in the NEWS file that would explain why this is happening. Any ideas? Thanks, Fred From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 29 03:45:51 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 28 Jan 2004 21:45:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.4 info/html issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1075344350.9191.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 17:55, Fred Stutzman wrote: > Hi, > > We recently upgraded to Mailman 2.1.4, and we're encountering an issue > that I can't seem to track down. > > Our user had previously configured their "info" option to include html > information. Until the upgrade, this has always displayed on the list > front page as html. The html is now being displayed as text. You can see > an example of this by visiting: > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > For example : Pacific Bulb Society Mailing List > > I've spent a few hours attempting to track this issue down, but I'm > running out of options. I've messed with the > DEFAULT_CONVERT_HTML_TO_PLAINTEXT options, and re-entered the "info" > information with pure, compliant HTML. I didn't see anything in the NEWS > file that would explain why this is happening. > > Any ideas? Thanks, Fred > Login to the Web Admin for that list and then click on: Edit the public HTML pages Then click on: General list information page Looks like the upgrade might have thrown in a
block around the added text it found there. You should be able to edit it back into the HTML shape it was in. If not, post the source you get for the listinfo page and I'll be happy to take a look at it. Jon Carnes (local Trilugger) From fred at metalab.unc.edu Thu Jan 29 03:58:41 2004 From: fred at metalab.unc.edu (Fred Stutzman) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:58:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.4 info/html issue In-Reply-To: <1075344350.9191.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Thanks for the advice - unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the solution. I played around with one of my own lists, and was able to replicate the behavior. You can check that out at: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/somewhat This list had no html in the info section until I added it this afternoon. Thanks! Fred On 28 Jan 2004, Jon Carnes wrote: > On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 17:55, Fred Stutzman wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We recently upgraded to Mailman 2.1.4, and we're encountering an issue > > that I can't seem to track down. > > > > Our user had previously configured their "info" option to include html > > information. Until the upgrade, this has always displayed on the list > > front page as html. The html is now being displayed as text. You can see > > an example of this by visiting: > > > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > For example : Pacific Bulb Society Mailing List > > > > I've spent a few hours attempting to track this issue down, but I'm > > running out of options. I've messed with the > > DEFAULT_CONVERT_HTML_TO_PLAINTEXT options, and re-entered the "info" > > information with pure, compliant HTML. I didn't see anything in the NEWS > > file that would explain why this is happening. > > > > Any ideas? Thanks, Fred > > > Login to the Web Admin for that list and then click on: > Edit the public HTML pages > > Then click on: > General list information page > > Looks like the upgrade might have thrown in a
block around > the added text it found there. You should be able to edit it back into > the HTML shape it was in. > > If not, post the source you get for the listinfo page and I'll be happy > to take a look at it. > > Jon Carnes (local Trilugger) > From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 29 05:13:07 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 28 Jan 2004 23:13:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.4 info/html issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1075349586.9191.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> I did a test before I sent a response. I was able to embed the html used by the PBS site with no problems into one of my test lists running v2.1.4. If you want to post your source from the edit "General list information page" I'll be happy to plug it into one of my test lists and see what's happening. I'm sure with a few tweaks it should work fine. Jon Carnes On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 21:58, Fred Stutzman wrote: > Thanks for the advice - unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the > solution. > > I played around with one of my own lists, and was able to replicate the > behavior. You can check that out at: > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/somewhat > > This list had no html in the info section until I added it this afternoon. > > Thanks! > Fred > > > On 28 Jan 2004, Jon Carnes wrote: > > > On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 17:55, Fred Stutzman wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > We recently upgraded to Mailman 2.1.4, and we're encountering an issue > > > that I can't seem to track down. > > > > > > Our user had previously configured their "info" option to include html > > > information. Until the upgrade, this has always displayed on the list > > > front page as html. The html is now being displayed as text. You can see > > > an example of this by visiting: > > > > > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > > > For example : Pacific Bulb Society Mailing List > > > > > > I've spent a few hours attempting to track this issue down, but I'm > > > running out of options. I've messed with the > > > DEFAULT_CONVERT_HTML_TO_PLAINTEXT options, and re-entered the "info" > > > information with pure, compliant HTML. I didn't see anything in the NEWS > > > file that would explain why this is happening. > > > > > > Any ideas? Thanks, Fred > > > > > Login to the Web Admin for that list and then click on: > > Edit the public HTML pages > > > > Then click on: > > General list information page > > > > Looks like the upgrade might have thrown in a
block around > > the added text it found there. You should be able to edit it back into > > the HTML shape it was in. > > > > If not, post the source you get for the listinfo page and I'll be happy > > to take a look at it. > > > > Jon Carnes (local Trilugger) > > > > From fred at metalab.unc.edu Thu Jan 29 05:22:29 2004 From: fred at metalab.unc.edu (Fred Stutzman) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:22:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.4 info/html issue In-Reply-To: <1075349586.9191.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hey there, Thanks for the help - the code that is in the info section is actually exactly as it appears on the list front page. What might be helpful is to check the page source and look at how the text has been munged - if that matches any sort of Mailman HTML-stripping pattern (that can be recognized), we might be able to track down what in Mailman is causing the info to display that way. Thanks! Fred On 28 Jan 2004, Jon Carnes wrote: > I did a test before I sent a response. I was able to embed the html used > by the PBS site with no problems into one of my test lists running > v2.1.4. > > If you want to post your source from the edit "General list information > page" I'll be happy to plug it into one of my test lists and see what's > happening. I'm sure with a few tweaks it should work fine. > > Jon Carnes > > On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 21:58, Fred Stutzman wrote: > > Thanks for the advice - unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the > > solution. > > > > I played around with one of my own lists, and was able to replicate the > > behavior. You can check that out at: > > > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/somewhat > > > > This list had no html in the info section until I added it this afternoon. > > > > Thanks! > > Fred > > > > > > On 28 Jan 2004, Jon Carnes wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 17:55, Fred Stutzman wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > We recently upgraded to Mailman 2.1.4, and we're encountering an issue > > > > that I can't seem to track down. > > > > > > > > Our user had previously configured their "info" option to include html > > > > information. Until the upgrade, this has always displayed on the list > > > > front page as html. The html is now being displayed as text. You can see > > > > an example of this by visiting: > > > > > > > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > > > > > For example : Pacific Bulb Society Mailing List > > > > > > > > I've spent a few hours attempting to track this issue down, but I'm > > > > running out of options. I've messed with the > > > > DEFAULT_CONVERT_HTML_TO_PLAINTEXT options, and re-entered the "info" > > > > information with pure, compliant HTML. I didn't see anything in the NEWS > > > > file that would explain why this is happening. > > > > > > > > Any ideas? Thanks, Fred > > > > > > > Login to the Web Admin for that list and then click on: > > > Edit the public HTML pages > > > > > > Then click on: > > > General list information page > > > > > > Looks like the upgrade might have thrown in a
block around > > > the added text it found there. You should be able to edit it back into > > > the HTML shape it was in. > > > > > > If not, post the source you get for the listinfo page and I'll be happy > > > to take a look at it. > > > > > > Jon Carnes (local Trilugger) > > > > > > > > From Jean.BERTHOLD at eosholding.ch Thu Jan 29 08:30:04 2004 From: Jean.BERTHOLD at eosholding.ch (BERTHOLD Jean) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:30:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to purge correctly old messages ? Message-ID: <5B70D5810B3B944194C5C0BFE1C605EB04520B@EXCHANGELSN.sila.local> Hello, -- Please, I have this big archive: root at vanuatu # pwd /usr/local/mailman/archives/private root at vanuatu # root at vanuatu # du -sh etrans* 2.4G etrans-echanges 645M etrans-echanges.mbox root at vanuatu # root at vanuatu # pwd /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/etrans-echanges root at vanuatu # du -sh database 903M database root at vanuatu # -- How to remove the oldest messages correctly ? -- For example, is it sufficient to only delete files under: root at vanuatu # pwd /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/etrans-echanges root at vanuatu # du -sh 20030625* 5.9M 20030625 4.1M 20030625.txt 120K 20030625.txt.gz root at vanuatu # -- Or do I need delete related files under: root at vanuatu # pwd /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/etrans-echanges/database root at vanuatu # du -sh 20030625* 5.9M 20030625-article 12K 20030625-author 10K 20030625-date 15K 20030625-subject 10K 20030625-thread root at vanuatu # -- And after the previous delete , is this file will be updated automatiquely: root at vanuatu # pwd /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/etrans-echanges.mbox root at vanuatu # ls etrans-echanges.mbox root at vanuatu # du -sh * 645M etrans-echanges.mbox root at vanuatu # -- Is there somewhere a script for automatic purge ? By date criteria ... -- I cannot find documentation about that ... Thanks for your help and have a nice day EOS Holding Jean Berthold Administrateur Unix & Oracle Unit? Gestion de l'infrastructure Team Syst?mes Ch. de Mornex 10 T?l. +41(0)21 341 24 58 Fax +41(0)21 341 20 49 jean.berthold at eosholding.ch From juanen at metropoli2000.com Thu Jan 29 13:36:37 2004 From: juanen at metropoli2000.com (Juan Enrique =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F3mez?=) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:36:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces management Message-ID: <1075379797.12413.33.camel@amspoke> Hi! I am trying to figure out how to execute an script after a member of a list is bounced, is this possible? Thanks! -- Saludos, -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Juan Enrique Gomez Perez |Metropoli2000 Networks, S.L. | Phone: +34 914250023 Fax: +34 914250136 | Mobile: +34 615 922 820 | email: juan.enrique.gomez at metropoli2000.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP Fingerprint: 6B39 3A2B A17B 1E8E CFFD FC14 678E 0A22 BD80 C486 Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xBD80C486 If this message hasn't a correct signature please notify it to juanen at metropoli2000.com. To get the public key please use the above url. Thanks for your help. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Esta parte del mensaje =?ISO-8859-1?Q?est=E1?= firmada digitalmente Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040129/5f420787/attachment.pgp From remko at elvandar.org Thu Jan 29 13:40:14 2004 From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:40:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces management In-Reply-To: <20040129123834.CF25517@mail.elvandar.org> Message-ID: <20040129123933.72F6E2B4D8E@mail.evilcoder.org> use aliases blabla-bounces "|script to run" cheers -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens Juan Enrique Gomez Verzonden: donderdag 29 januari 2004 13:37 Aan: Mailman Users Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] Bounces management Hi! I am trying to figure out how to execute an script after a member of a list is bounced, is this possible? Thanks! -- Saludos, -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Juan Enrique Gomez Perez |Metropoli2000 Networks, S.L. | Phone: +34 914250023 Fax: +34 914250136 | Mobile: +34 615 922 820 | email: juan.enrique.gomez at metropoli2000.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP Fingerprint: 6B39 3A2B A17B 1E8E CFFD FC14 678E 0A22 BD80 C486 Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xBD80C486 If this message hasn't a correct signature please notify it to juanen at metropoli2000.com. To get the public key please use the above url. Thanks for your help. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sysadmin at fleetone.com Thu Jan 29 14:30:42 2004 From: sysadmin at fleetone.com (sysadmin) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:30:42 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem getting mailman to run on RH9 Message-ID: <0c9701c3e66c$17e6e450$45a610ac@fleetone.com> I am trying to get mailman working with RedHat 9. I installed the RPM from using yum and it installed version mailman 3:2.1.1-4.i386. I see where it is installed at /var/mailman. When I try to start it up, I get this error: Logging error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67, in __get_f 1) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 496, in open file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman/error' Original log message: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman/error' Jan 29 06:54:06 2004 (8452) Site list is missing: mailman I searched through the archives, and found that I need to create the mailman list. So I ran the newlist and added the mailman as the list, and gave it an email address and password. But then the script dies with: Illegal list name: mailman at mm_cfg_has_not_been_edited_to_set_host_domains I could not find that in the archives, so I am not sure what to do now. Thanks in advance. Rob From jdecarlo at mitre.org Thu Jan 29 14:41:06 2004 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:41:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to purge correctly old messages ? In-Reply-To: <5B70D5810B3B944194C5C0BFE1C605EB04520B@EXCHANGELSN.sila.local> References: <5B70D5810B3B944194C5C0BFE1C605EB04520B@EXCHANGELSN.sila.local> Message-ID: <40190D72.9000309@mitre.org> Jean, BERTHOLD Jean wrote: > root at vanuatu # pwd > /usr/local/mailman/archives/private > root at vanuatu # > root at vanuatu # du -sh etrans* > 2.4G etrans-echanges > 645M etrans-echanges.mbox >... > -- How to remove the oldest messages correctly ? The recommended method to reduce or change your archive is to edit the file .../private/etrans-echanges.mbox/etrans-echanges.mbox and remove the older messages from the file. Once you have done this, you can run /usr/local/mailman/bin/arch --wipe etrans-echange You can also try and figure out which message in the mbox file you want to start archiving (instead of deleting them from the file) and run .../bin/arch --start=N --wipe etrans-echange At least this should get you started. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From juanen at metropoli2000.com Thu Jan 29 14:41:18 2004 From: juanen at metropoli2000.com (Juan Enrique =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F3mez?=) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:41:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces management In-Reply-To: <20040129123933.72F6E2B4D8E@mail.evilcoder.org> References: <20040129123933.72F6E2B4D8E@mail.evilcoder.org> Message-ID: <1075383678.12415.43.camel@amspoke> El jue, 29-01-2004 a las 13:40, Remko Lodder escribi?: Hi! Ok, that's right, but i mean keeping the mailman bounce processing. Best, > use aliases > > blabla-bounces "|script to run" > > cheers > > -- > > Kind regards, > > Remko Lodder > Elvandar.org/DSINet.org > www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the > hackerscene > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens Juan Enrique > Gomez > Verzonden: donderdag 29 januari 2004 13:37 > Aan: Mailman Users > Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] Bounces management > > > Hi! > > I am trying to figure out how to execute an script after a member of a > list is bounced, is this possible? > > Thanks! -- Saludos, -------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Juan Enrique Gomez Perez |Metropoli2000 Networks, S.L. | Phone: +34 914250023 Fax: +34 914250136 | Mobile: +34 615 922 820 | email: juan.enrique.gomez at metropoli2000.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP Fingerprint: 6B39 3A2B A17B 1E8E CFFD FC14 678E 0A22 BD80 C486 Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xBD80C486 If this message hasn't a correct signature please notify it to juanen at metropoli2000.com. To get the public key please use the above url. Thanks for your help. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Esta parte del mensaje =?ISO-8859-1?Q?est=E1?= firmada digitalmente Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040129/27e038d2/attachment.pgp From Jean.BERTHOLD at eosholding.ch Thu Jan 29 15:21:07 2004 From: Jean.BERTHOLD at eosholding.ch (BERTHOLD Jean) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:21:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to purge correctly old messages ? Message-ID: <5B70D5810B3B944194C5C0BFE1C605EB04DFD7@EXCHANGELSN.sila.local> Hello John, Thanks for your help, it is exactly what I need ! But: mailman at vanuatu # pwd /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/etrans-echanges.mbox mailman at vanuatu # ls -l total 1327072 -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 679109463 Jan 29 14:40 etrans-echanges.mbox mailman at vanuatu # vi etrans-echanges.mbox mailman at vanuatu # vi etrans-echanges.mbox "etrans-echanges.mbox" Tmp file too large ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Tmp file too large : I tried to add more swap, but unsuccesfully ... root at vanuatu # mkfile 1000M /export/swapfile root at vanuatu # swap -a /export/swapfile root at vanuatu # swap -l swapfile dev swaplo blocks free /dev/md/dsk/d10 85,10 16 1052624 1045120 /export/swapfile - 16 2047984 2047984 root at vanuatu # Result was the same as previous: Tmp file too large One more question: ------------------ how to edit this big file ? mailman at vanuatu # pwd /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/etrans-echanges.mbox mailman at vanuatu # du -sh *.mbox 648M etrans-echanges.mbox mailman at vanuatu # Thanks again for your help Jean -----Message d'origine----- De : John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org] Envoy? : jeudi, 29. janvier 2004 14:41 ? : BERTHOLD Jean Cc : mailman-users at python.org Objet : Re: [Mailman-Users] How to purge correctly old messages ? Jean, BERTHOLD Jean wrote: > root at vanuatu # pwd > /usr/local/mailman/archives/private > root at vanuatu # > root at vanuatu # du -sh etrans* > 2.4G etrans-echanges > 645M etrans-echanges.mbox >... > -- How to remove the oldest messages correctly ? The recommended method to reduce or change your archive is to edit the file .../private/etrans-echanges.mbox/etrans-echanges.mbox and remove the older messages from the file. Once you have done this, you can run /usr/local/mailman/bin/arch --wipe etrans-echange You can also try and figure out which message in the mbox file you want to start archiving (instead of deleting them from the file) and run .../bin/arch --start=N --wipe etrans-echange At least this should get you started. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Thu Jan 29 15:39:00 2004 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:39:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem getting mailman to run on RH9 In-Reply-To: <0c9701c3e66c$17e6e450$45a610ac@fleetone.com> References: <0c9701c3e66c$17e6e450$45a610ac@fleetone.com> Message-ID: <20040129143900.GO21263@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 sysadmin wrote: > I am trying to get mailman working with RedHat 9. I installed the RPM from > using yum and it installed version mailman 3:2.1.1-4.i386. I see where it > is installed at /var/mailman. When I try to start it up, I get this error: > > Logging error: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67, in __get_f > 1) > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 496, in open > file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering) > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman/error' > Original log message: > [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman/error' > Jan 29 06:54:06 2004 (8452) Site list is missing: mailman > > I searched through the archives, and found that I need to create the mailman > list. So I ran the newlist and added the mailman as the list, and gave it > an email address and password. But then the script dies with: > > Illegal list name: mailman at mm_cfg_has_not_been_edited_to_set_host_domains > > I could not find that in the archives, so I am not sure what to do now. Take a look at /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.1/INSTALL.REDHAT as there are things you need to do post install that the rpm does not (and really cannot) do for you. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. -- Churchill -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQFAGRsEuv+09NZUB1oRAsoLAKDcHx2Qr4MLB5JvvskbWB2OUHxcyQCg6EZa GEs6LjQBHA4eSaCX54qZ8mw= =PMr1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mailman-users at davefisher.co.uk Thu Jan 29 16:04:51 2004 From: mailman-users at davefisher.co.uk (Dave Fisher) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:04:51 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help diagnosing bounce processing and logging problems Message-ID: <20040129150450.GA26826@davefisher.co.uk> Hi, A few of my list members are failing to receive the occasional posting. I'd really like to look at the individual bounce/error messages sent back, to diagnose where the problem might lie. The list is very small, so I'm not at all worried about being bombarded with vast numbers of MAILER-DAEMON messages. I thought of turning off bounce_processing, but when I went to do so I found the admin page saying: "By setting this value to No, you disable all automatic bounce processing for this list, however bounce messages will still be discarded so that the list administrator isn't inundated with them" That does _not_ sound like what I want, unless I've misunderstood the type of message being referred to here. Is it only referring to Mailman's own bounce messages, i.e. not to list members' mail server messages? I want to see _all_ the delivery error messages that my members' mail servers may be generating, but I haven't received a single such message as the list administrator. From what I can tell from the terse mailman bounce log, the automatic bounce processing does seem to be successfully managing most problems, so I don't want to turn it off unless that will help me get to the information I need. I can't find any relevant bounce messages in my MTA's (Exim) logs. It's entirely probable that I can't find the relevant error messages, because I've made a mistake somewhere in configuring Mailman and Exim to work together, but I'm at a loss as to where to start fixing it. From what I can see, Exim simply uses /etc/aliases lines to pipe all admin messages to /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman on Debian, but I've no idea what Mailman does with them after that. Any help in understanding how error logging and bounce processing work between the two apps would be gratefully received. Dave From jdecarlo at mitre.org Thu Jan 29 16:06:31 2004 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:06:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to purge correctly old messages ? In-Reply-To: <5B70D5810B3B944194C5C0BFE1C605EB04DFD7@EXCHANGELSN.sila.local> References: <5B70D5810B3B944194C5C0BFE1C605EB04DFD7@EXCHANGELSN.sila.local> Message-ID: <40192177.60406@mitre.org> Jean, BERTHOLD Jean wrote: > mailman at vanuatu # pwd > /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/etrans-echanges.mbox > mailman at vanuatu # ls -l > total 1327072 > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 679109463 Jan 29 14:40 etrans-echanges.mbox > mailman at vanuatu # vi etrans-echanges.mbox > mailman at vanuatu # vi etrans-echanges.mbox > "etrans-echanges.mbox" Tmp file too large >> You can also try and figure out which message in the mbox file you want >> to start archiving (instead of deleting them from the file) and run >> >> .../bin/arch --start=N --wipe etrans-echange >> >> At least this should get you started. I didn't pay very close attention to the size originally. So my next guess is to try the "--start=N" option I mentioned above. See if you can figure out approximately how many messages you want to discard, by looking at the archives. People with more Linux experience can suggest better approaches. You can get fairly close to the number of messages in the .mbox file by running grep and wc: grep "Return-Path:" etrans-echange.mbox | wc -l This will tell you how many lines in the .mbox file have Return-Path: in them. If not, just use trial and error. Start with some number like half of the number you got above and if you have too many messages left in the archives, go up as needed. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From chris-barnes at tamu.edu Thu Jan 29 17:53:00 2004 From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:53:00 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using LDAP for list of recipients Message-ID: I am considering using a real MLM to manage the mailling lists we use within our department. However, one of the requirement for this is that the product must be able to get is subscriber list from our LDAP (OpenLDAP 3) information store. For example, in LDAP there is an attribute for each user that tells us whether they are "faculty", "staff", "grad", or "undergrad" (there are others, but this works for the example). I need a MLM that can make an LDAP query and get all of the "faculty", then send the message out. It needs to do this for EVERY message for that list. Can MailMan do this? If not, is there a MLM that can? -- + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Chris Barnes AOL IM: CNBarnes chris-barnes at tamu.edu Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes Computer Systems Manager ph: 979-845-7801 Department of Physics fax: 979-845-2590 Texas A&M University From tim at politalk.com Thu Jan 29 18:44:32 2004 From: tim at politalk.com (Tim Erickson) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:44:32 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting Text to Attachments In-Reply-To: <4161.10.19.10.17.1074007216.squirrel@coffee.shu.ac.uk> References: <4161.10.19.10.17.1074007216.squirrel@coffee.shu.ac.uk> Message-ID: We just upgraded to Mailman 2.1.4 and have turned on the "convert html to plain text" option. Since then, some list members are getting some of their messages as .txt attachments. The body of the text and the footer come as two separate attachments. Any ideas about what is causing this and how to turn it off? --------------- Sample Message ---------------- -----Original Message----- From: Mike Wassenaar [mailto:wassenaar at mail.spnn.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 23:04 To: St. Paul Discuss Subject: RE: [StPaul] Ruminator and Ruminating on Loan Programs Suggest A Link For This Page: http://www.e-democracy.org/stpaul/links.html _________________________________________ Attachment converted: COMPY 386:ATT90276.txt (TEXT/ttxt) (00045AF4) Attachment converted: COMPY 386:ATT90277.txt (TEXT/ttxt) (00045AF5) ----------------------------------------------- -- Tim Erickson List Manager St. Paul Issues Forum http://www.e-democracy.org/stpaul/ Hamline Midway Resident 651-643-0722 tim at politalk.com St. Paul Links - http://www.e-democracy.org/stpaul/links.html "The St. Paul Issues Forum is a interactive e-mail discussion on important issues about St. Paul public policy. Participation is free and open to anyone. We currently have about 350 concerned citizens and community leaders subscribed to our discussion." From andym at oak.njit.edu Thu Jan 29 19:59:05 2004 From: andym at oak.njit.edu (Andy Malato) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:59:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] creating private lists by default Message-ID: What is the way to tell mailman to create a private list by default? Currently, when a list is created, it gets created as a public or "advertised" list, this is not desirable. Is it possible to change this behavior, and if so, what needs to be set? Thanks, ---Andy From dhphllps at memphis.edu Thu Jan 29 20:02:50 2004 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:02:50 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] creating private lists by default In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 29, 2004, at 12:59 PM, Andy Malato wrote: > What is the way to tell mailman to create a private list by default? > Currently, when a list is created, it gets created as a public or > "advertised" list, this is not desirable. Is it possible to change > this > behavior, and if so, what needs to be set? > In mm_cfg.py, add: DEFAULT_LIST_ADVERTISED = No DP From wcmuelle at wisc.edu Thu Jan 29 21:53:12 2004 From: wcmuelle at wisc.edu (William C. Mueller) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:53:12 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot get GUI to work Message-ID: <401972B8.6070705@wisc.edu> We are setting up Mailman 2.1.4 for testing and review on a Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0 system. Mailman installed OK and usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms produced no errors. So unto Step 4. Final system set-up. However here is where we run into problems. We are trying to interface Mailman with Apache but cannot get the Mailman GUI to run. Per the instructions httpd.conf was edited to include: ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/" AllowOverride None Options FollowSymLinks ExecCGI Order allow,deny Allow from all The ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/var/www/cgi-bin/" and its Directory definition were commented out. The web server was started with "apachectl start". Browsing into our machine we get only: Index of / with no files listed. Also DocumentRoot and Directory were experimented with: DocumentRoot "/var/www/html" was changed to DocumentRoot "/usr/local/mailman" and was changed to Making this change resulted in the browser to display all the files in /usr/local/mailman. Clicking on the cgi-bin directory resulted in Forbidden Access. A listing of /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin shows the following files. admin admindb confirm create edithtml listinfo options private rmlist roster subscribe We thought there should be .cgi files or an index.html file in there. How do we point to the file that starts the GUI interface? Since we are just new to this environment the answer may right in front of us and we can't see it. Any help from this list would be much appreciated. Thank you, -Bill Mueller William C. Mueller wcmuelle at wisc.edu 608-262-9886 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Systems Engineering & Operations - Customer Application Services University of Wisconsin - Division of Information Technology 5752 Tokay Blvd, Suite 200, Madison, WI 53719 - United States From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Thu Jan 29 22:26:31 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:26:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help diagnosing bounce processing and logging problems References: <20040129150450.GA26826@davefisher.co.uk> Message-ID: Dave Fisher schrieb: > From what I can see, Exim simply uses /etc/aliases lines to pipe all > admin messages to /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman on Debian, but I've no > idea what Mailman does with them after that. At least on current versions of Mailman, mail is sent with an envelope of "$listname-bounces at host.example"; that means, bounces go back to that adress, and Exim then uses /etc/aliases lines to pipe all bounces to the mailman bounce-processing. It should be possible to change that line to send the mail (the bounce) to you *and* pipe it to mailman. -thh From kevin at flyingember.com Thu Jan 29 23:24:18 2004 From: kevin at flyingember.com (Kevin Carlyle) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:24:18 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to change http url Message-ID: <02fc01c3e6b6$a3a7b7e0$0301a8c0@kevinmain> My list software works great for sending and receiving emails. However, I was just sent an administrative approval email. It works as it should in this case so no issue but the url was http://192.168.1.8/mailman... when I'm not on the same network as the server. Thus, I can't use that url. All pages use the IP address, the administrative email uses the ip address I need to change the IP to the domain mailman-wide. Reinstalling is not an option. How do I do this? Kevin From remko at elvandar.org Thu Jan 29 23:25:40 2004 From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:25:40 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to change http url In-Reply-To: <20040129222404.EDE9217@mail.elvandar.org> Message-ID: <20040129222502.6FD1F2B4D8C@mail.evilcoder.org> fix_url in the /bin dir would be nice read its syntax cheers -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens Kevin Carlyle Verzonden: donderdag 29 januari 2004 23:24 Aan: mailman-users at python.org Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] how to change http url My list software works great for sending and receiving emails. However, I was just sent an administrative approval email. It works as it should in this case so no issue but the url was http://192.168.1.8/mailman... when I'm not on the same network as the server. Thus, I can't use that url. All pages use the IP address, the administrative email uses the ip address I need to change the IP to the domain mailman-wide. Reinstalling is not an option. How do I do this? Kevin ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mailman-users%40lists.e lvandar.org _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list Mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org http://lists.elvandar.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From skip at pobox.com Thu Jan 29 23:34:34 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:34:34 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] confused about -owner/-admin/-bounce addresses Message-ID: <16409.35450.135400.144484@montanaro.dyndns.org> In the 2.0 days, if I wanted to send a message to the various people who administered a list I'd send it to the -admin address. Now (2.1), that always seems to generate an "Uncaught bounce notification" message for the -owner address. Just what address is the correct one to use to communicate with all the list admins? What's the difference between the -owner, -admin, and -bounce addressess in 2.1? Where's this documented? The "List Manager Documentation" page refers to 2.0 docs, and since I'm specifically interested in what I perceive to be 2.0/2.1 differences, I don't think that will help me much. Thanks, -- Skip Montanaro Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/submit.html Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/ skip at pobox.com From astebakov at yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 23:51:20 2004 From: astebakov at yahoo.com (Andrew Stebakov) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:51:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] One-click confirm/unsubscribe options Message-ID: <20040129225120.90347.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I was wondering if there is any info on how I can enable mailman to send confirmation letter and user would be able to just click a reference to confirm (Just like it's done in mailman-users at python.org) . Same applies for unsubscibe option. Is it a feature that I miss in my current mailman version (I have 2.0.11-1woody5) or I'll have to write my own scripts for that? Thanks in advance, Andrew --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! From jimmy-ml at nccom.com Thu Jan 29 23:57:15 2004 From: jimmy-ml at nccom.com (Jim Gottlieb) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:57:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] One-click confirm/unsubscribe options In-Reply-To: <20040129225120.90347.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040129225120.90347.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040129225715.GM27962@nccom.com> On 2004-01-29 at 14:51, Andrew Stebakov (astebakov at yahoo.com) wrote: > I was wondering if there is any info on how I can enable mailman to > send confirmation letter and user would be able to just click a > reference to confirm The current version does this. From dave at azbay.net Thu Jan 29 23:59:59 2004 From: dave at azbay.net (David Chandler) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:59:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman unknown user Message-ID: I setup Mailman with Postfix 2.16 on a gentoo box. I modified the Postfix configuration to include the /var/mailman/data/aliases. I can create lists and get the e-mail to the list owner, but when I try to send to the list I get the following bounced message: The Postfix program <"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"@azbay.net>: unknown user: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman" Reporting-MTA: dns; aenima.azbay.net Arrival-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:48:46 -0700 (MST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"@azbay.net Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; unknown user: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman" From: David Chandler Date: January 29, 2004 3:48:45 PM MST To: mailman at azbay.net Subject: test test Everything seems of with the aliases, I just can't figure out where the problem is coming from. Thanks, Dave -- David Chandler dave at azbay.net www.azbay.net 505.649.4846 From remko at elvandar.org Fri Jan 30 00:08:10 2004 From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:08:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman unknown user In-Reply-To: <20040129230134.E4BFF25@mail.elvandar.org> Message-ID: <20040129230737.124572B4D99@mail.evilcoder.org> what is your delivery method? local? aliases only work for local domains -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens David Chandler Verzonden: vrijdag 30 januari 2004 0:00 Aan: mailman-users at python.org Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] Mailman unknown user I setup Mailman with Postfix 2.16 on a gentoo box. I modified the Postfix configuration to include the /var/mailman/data/aliases. I can create lists and get the e-mail to the list owner, but when I try to send to the list I get the following bounced message: The Postfix program <"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"@azbay.net>: unknown user: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman" Reporting-MTA: dns; aenima.azbay.net Arrival-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:48:46 -0700 (MST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"@azbay.net Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; unknown user: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman" From: David Chandler Date: January 29, 2004 3:48:45 PM MST To: mailman at azbay.net Subject: test test Everything seems of with the aliases, I just can't figure out where the problem is coming from. Thanks, Dave -- David Chandler dave at azbay.net www.azbay.net 505.649.4846 ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mailman-users%40lists.e lvandar.org _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list Mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org http://lists.elvandar.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From dave at azbay.net Fri Jan 30 00:17:35 2004 From: dave at azbay.net (David Chandler) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:17:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman unknown user Message-ID: <5241DF46-52B1-11D8-B7A5-000A958C5210@azbay.net> I have local_transport = local in my main.cf, here's the output from postconf: 2bounce_notice_recipient = postmaster access_map_reject_code = 554 alias_database = hash:/etc/mail/aliases alias_maps = hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases, mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-aliases.cf, hash:/etc/mail/aliases allow_mail_to_commands = alias,forward allow_mail_to_files = alias,forward allow_min_user = no allow_percent_hack = yes allow_untrusted_routing = no alternate_config_directories = always_bcc = append_at_myorigin = yes append_dot_mydomain = yes authorized_verp_clients = $mynetworks berkeley_db_create_buffer_size = 16777216 berkeley_db_read_buffer_size = 131072 best_mx_transport = biff = yes body_checks = body_checks_size_limit = 51200 bounce_notice_recipient = postmaster bounce_service_name = bounce bounce_size_limit = 50000 broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes canonical_maps = cleanup_service_name = cleanup command_directory = /usr/sbin command_expansion_filter = 1234567890!@%-_=+:,./ abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ command_time_limit = 1000s config_directory = /etc/postfix content_filter = daemon_directory = /usr/lib/postfix daemon_timeout = 18000s debug_peer_level = 2 debug_peer_list = default_database_type = hash default_delivery_slot_cost = 5 default_delivery_slot_discount = 50 default_delivery_slot_loan = 3 default_destination_concurrency_limit = 2 default_destination_recipient_limit = 50 default_extra_recipient_limit = 1000 default_minimum_delivery_slots = 3 default_privs = nobody default_process_limit = 100 default_rbl_reply = $rbl_code Service unavailable; $rbl_class [$rbl_what] blocked using $rbl_domain${rbl_reason?; $rbl_reason} default_recipient_limit = 10000 default_transport = smtp default_verp_delimiters = += defer_code = 450 defer_service_name = defer defer_transports = delay_notice_recipient = postmaster delay_warning_time = 0h deliver_lock_attempts = 20 deliver_lock_delay = 1s disable_dns_lookups = no disable_mime_input_processing = no disable_mime_output_conversion = no disable_verp_bounces = no disable_vrfy_command = no dont_remove = 0 double_bounce_sender = double-bounce duplicate_filter_limit = 1000 empty_address_recipient = MAILER-DAEMON error_notice_recipient = postmaster error_service_name = error expand_owner_alias = no export_environment = TZ MAIL_CONFIG extract_recipient_limit = 10240 fallback_relay = fallback_transport = fast_flush_domains = $relay_domains fast_flush_purge_time = 7d fast_flush_refresh_time = 12h fault_injection_code = 0 flush_service_name = flush fork_attempts = 5 fork_delay = 1s forward_expansion_filter = 1234567890!@%-_=+:,./ abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ forward_path = $home/.forward${recipient_delimiter}${extension},$home/.forward hash_queue_depth = 1 hash_queue_names = incoming,active,deferred,bounce,defer,flush,hold header_address_token_limit = 10240 header_checks = header_size_limit = 102400 helpful_warnings = yes home_mailbox = .maildir/ hopcount_limit = 50 ignore_mx_lookup_error = no import_environment = MAIL_CONFIG MAIL_DEBUG MAIL_LOGTAG TZ XAUTHORITY DISPLAY in_flow_delay = 1s inet_interfaces = all initial_destination_concurrency = 5 invalid_hostname_reject_code = 501 ipc_idle = 100s ipc_timeout = 3600s line_length_limit = 2048 lmtp_bind_address = lmtp_bind_address6 = lmtp_cache_connection = yes lmtp_connect_timeout = 0s lmtp_data_done_timeout = 600s lmtp_data_init_timeout = 120s lmtp_data_xfer_timeout = 180s lmtp_lhlo_timeout = 300s lmtp_mail_timeout = 300s lmtp_quit_timeout = 300s lmtp_rcpt_timeout = 300s lmtp_rset_timeout = 300s lmtp_sasl_auth_enable = no lmtp_sasl_password_maps = lmtp_sasl_security_options = noplaintext, noanonymous lmtp_skip_quit_response = no lmtp_tcp_port = 24 local_command_shell = local_destination_concurrency_limit = 2 local_destination_recipient_limit = 1 local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps $virtual_mailbox_maps unix:passwd.byname local_transport = local luser_relay = mail_name = Postfix mail_owner = postfix mail_release_date = 20030913 mail_spool_directory = /var/spool/mail mail_version = 2.0.16 mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -a $DOMAIN mailbox_command_maps = mailbox_delivery_lock = fcntl, dotlock mailbox_size_limit = 51200000 mailbox_transport = mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq manpage_directory = /usr/share/man maps_rbl_domains = maps_rbl_reject_code = 554 masquerade_classes = envelope_sender, header_sender, header_recipient masquerade_domains = masquerade_exceptions = max_idle = 100s max_use = 100 maximal_backoff_time = 4000s maximal_queue_lifetime = 5d message_size_limit = 10240000 mime_boundary_length_limit = 2048 mime_header_checks = $header_checks mime_nesting_limit = 100 minimal_backoff_time = 1000s mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, $mydomain, mail.$mydomain, www.$mydomain, ftp.$mydomain mydomain = azbay.net myhostname = aenima.azbay.net mynetworks = 216.31.33.176/29, 127.0.0.0/8 mynetworks_style = subnet myorigin = azbay.net nested_header_checks = $header_checks newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases non_fqdn_reject_code = 504 notify_classes = resource,software owner_request_special = no parent_domain_matches_subdomains = debug_peer_list,fast_flush_domains,mynetworks,permit_mx_backup_networks, qmqpd_authorized_clients,relay_domains,smtpd_access_maps permit_mx_backup_networks = pickup_service_name = pickup prepend_delivered_header = command, file, forward process_id_directory = pid program_directory = /usr/lib/postfix propagate_unmatched_extensions = canonical, virtual proxy_interfaces = proxy_read_maps = $local_recipient_maps $mydestination $virtual_alias_maps $virtual_alias_domains $virtual_mailbox_maps $virtual_mailbox_domains $relay_recipient_maps $relay_domains $canonical_maps $sender_canonical_maps $recipient_canonical_maps $relocated_maps $transport_maps $mynetworks qmgr_clog_warn_time = 300s qmgr_fudge_factor = 100 qmgr_message_active_limit = 20000 qmgr_message_recipient_limit = 20000 qmgr_message_recipient_minimum = 10 qmqpd_authorized_clients = qmqpd_error_delay = 1s qmqpd_timeout = 300s queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix queue_file_attribute_count_limit = 100 queue_minfree = 0 queue_run_delay = 1000s queue_service_name = qmgr rbl_reply_maps = readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.0.16-r1/readme recipient_canonical_maps = recipient_delimiter = + reject_code = 554 relay_clientcerts = relay_domains = $mydestination relay_domains_reject_code = 554 relay_recipient_maps = relay_transport = relay relayhost = relocated_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-relocated.cf require_home_directory = no resolve_dequoted_address = yes rewrite_service_name = rewrite sample_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.0.16-r1/sample sender_canonical_maps = sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail service_throttle_time = 60s setgid_group = postdrop show_user_unknown_table_name = yes showq_service_name = showq smtp_always_send_ehlo = yes smtp_bind_address = smtp_bind_address6 = smtp_connect_timeout = 30s smtp_data_done_timeout = 600s smtp_data_init_timeout = 120s smtp_data_xfer_timeout = 180s smtp_destination_concurrency_limit = $default_destination_concurrency_limit smtp_destination_recipient_limit = $default_destination_recipient_limit smtp_enforce_tls = no smtp_helo_name = $myhostname smtp_helo_timeout = 300s smtp_line_length_limit = 990 smtp_mail_timeout = 300s smtp_never_send_ehlo = no smtp_pix_workaround_delay_time = 10s smtp_pix_workaround_threshold_time = 500s smtp_quit_timeout = 300s smtp_randomize_addresses = yes smtp_rcpt_timeout = 300s smtp_sasl_auth_enable = no smtp_sasl_password_maps = smtp_sasl_security_options = noplaintext, noanonymous smtp_sasl_tls_security_options = $var_smtp_sasl_opts smtp_sasl_tls_verified_security_options = $var_smtp_sasl_tls_opts smtp_skip_4xx_greeting = yes smtp_skip_5xx_greeting = yes smtp_skip_quit_response = yes smtp_starttls_timeout = 300s smtp_tls_CAfile = smtp_tls_CApath = smtp_tls_cert_file = smtp_tls_cipherlist = smtp_tls_dcert_file = smtp_tls_dkey_file = $smtp_tls_dcert_file smtp_tls_enforce_peername = yes smtp_tls_key_file = $smtp_tls_cert_file smtp_tls_loglevel = 0 smtp_tls_note_starttls_offer = no smtp_tls_per_site = smtp_tls_scert_verifydepth = 5 smtp_tls_session_cache_database = smtp_tls_session_cache_timeout = 3600s smtp_use_tls = no smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name ($mail_version) smtpd_client_restrictions = smtpd_data_restrictions = smtpd_delay_reject = yes smtpd_enforce_tls = no smtpd_error_sleep_time = 1s smtpd_etrn_restrictions = smtpd_expansion_filter = \t\40!"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>? @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ smtpd_hard_error_limit = 20 smtpd_helo_required = no smtpd_helo_restrictions = smtpd_history_flush_threshold = 100 smtpd_junk_command_limit = 100 smtpd_noop_commands = smtpd_null_access_lookup_key = <> smtpd_recipient_limit = 1000 smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination smtpd_restriction_classes = smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtpd_sasl_local_domain = smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous smtpd_sasl_tls_security_options = $smtpd_sasl_security_options smtpd_sender_login_maps = smtpd_sender_restrictions = smtpd_soft_error_limit = 10 smtpd_starttls_timeout = 300s smtpd_timeout = 300s smtpd_tls_CAfile = /etc/postfix/cacert.pem smtpd_tls_CApath = smtpd_tls_ask_ccert = no smtpd_tls_auth_only = no smtpd_tls_ccert_verifydepth = 5 smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/postfix/newcert.pem smtpd_tls_cipherlist = smtpd_tls_dcert_file = smtpd_tls_dh1024_param_file = smtpd_tls_dh512_param_file = smtpd_tls_dkey_file = $smtpd_tls_dcert_file smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/postfix/newreq.pem smtpd_tls_loglevel = 3 smtpd_tls_received_header = yes smtpd_tls_req_ccert = no smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = smtpd_tls_session_cache_timeout = 3600s smtpd_tls_wrappermode = no smtpd_use_tls = yes soft_bounce = no stale_lock_time = 500s strict_7bit_headers = no strict_8bitmime = no strict_8bitmime_body = no strict_mime_encoding_domain = no strict_rfc821_envelopes = no sun_mailtool_compatibility = no swap_bangpath = yes syslog_facility = mail syslog_name = postfix tls_daemon_random_bytes = 32 tls_daemon_random_source = tls_ipv6_version = 1.18a tls_random_bytes = 32 tls_random_exchange_name = ${config_directory}/prng_exch tls_random_prng_update_period = 60s tls_random_reseed_period = 3600s tls_random_source = dev:/dev/urandom transport_maps = transport_retry_time = 60s trigger_timeout = 10s undisclosed_recipients_header = To: undisclosed-recipients:; unknown_address_reject_code = 450 unknown_client_reject_code = 450 unknown_hostname_reject_code = 450 unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 unknown_relay_recipient_reject_code = 550 unknown_virtual_alias_reject_code = 550 unknown_virtual_mailbox_reject_code = 550 verp_delimiter_filter = -=+ virtual_alias_domains = $virtual_alias_maps virtual_alias_maps = hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases, mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf virtual_gid_maps = static:1004 virtual_mailbox_base = / virtual_mailbox_domains = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf virtual_mailbox_limit = 51200000 virtual_mailbox_lock = fcntl virtual_mailbox_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-maps.cf virtual_minimum_uid = 1000 virtual_transport = virtual virtual_uid_maps = static:1004 -- David Chandler dave at azbay.net www.azbay.net 505.649.4846 On Jan 29, 2004, at 4:08 PM, Remko Lodder wrote: > what is your delivery method? > local? > > aliases only work for local domains > > -- > > Kind regards, > > Remko Lodder > Elvandar.org/DSINet.org > www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the > hackerscene > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens David Chandler > Verzonden: vrijdag 30 januari 2004 0:00 > Aan: mailman-users at python.org > Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] Mailman unknown user > > > I setup Mailman with Postfix 2.16 on a gentoo box. I modified the > Postfix configuration to include the /var/mailman/data/aliases. I can > create lists and get the e-mail to the list owner, but when I try to > send to the list I get the following bounced message: > > The Postfix program > > <"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"@azbay.net>: unknown user: > "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman" > Reporting-MTA: dns; aenima.azbay.net > Arrival-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:48:46 -0700 (MST) > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post > mailman"@azbay.net > Action: failed > Status: 5.0.0 > Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; unknown user: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman > post > mailman" > > From: David Chandler > Date: January 29, 2004 3:48:45 PM MST > To: mailman at azbay.net > Subject: test > > > test > > > Everything seems of with the aliases, I just can't figure out where the > problem is coming from. > > Thanks, > Dave > > -- > David Chandler > dave at azbay.net > www.azbay.net > 505.649.4846 > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mailman- > users%40lists.e > lvandar.org > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > Mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org > http://lists.elvandar.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > -- David Chandler dave at azbay.net www.azbay.net 505.649.4846 Begin forwarded message: > From: David Chandler > Date: January 29, 2004 4:15:36 PM MST > To: "Remko Lodder" > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman unknown user > > I have local_transport = local in my main.cf, here's the output from > postconf: > > 2bounce_notice_recipient = postmaster > access_map_reject_code = 554 > alias_database = hash:/etc/mail/aliases > alias_maps = hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases, > mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-aliases.cf, hash:/etc/mail/aliases > allow_mail_to_commands = alias,forward > allow_mail_to_files = alias,forward > allow_min_user = no > allow_percent_hack = yes > allow_untrusted_routing = no > alternate_config_directories = > always_bcc = > append_at_myorigin = yes > append_dot_mydomain = yes > authorized_verp_clients = $mynetworks > berkeley_db_create_buffer_size = 16777216 > berkeley_db_read_buffer_size = 131072 > best_mx_transport = > biff = yes > body_checks = > body_checks_size_limit = 51200 > bounce_notice_recipient = postmaster > bounce_service_name = bounce > bounce_size_limit = 50000 > broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes > canonical_maps = > cleanup_service_name = cleanup > command_directory = /usr/sbin > command_expansion_filter = > 1234567890!@%-_=+:,./ > abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ > command_time_limit = 1000s > config_directory = /etc/postfix > content_filter = > daemon_directory = /usr/lib/postfix > daemon_timeout = 18000s > debug_peer_level = 2 > debug_peer_list = > default_database_type = hash > default_delivery_slot_cost = 5 > default_delivery_slot_discount = 50 > default_delivery_slot_loan = 3 > default_destination_concurrency_limit = 2 > default_destination_recipient_limit = 50 > default_extra_recipient_limit = 1000 > default_minimum_delivery_slots = 3 > default_privs = nobody > default_process_limit = 100 > default_rbl_reply = $rbl_code Service unavailable; $rbl_class > [$rbl_what] blocked using $rbl_domain${rbl_reason?; $rbl_reason} > default_recipient_limit = 10000 > default_transport = smtp > default_verp_delimiters = += > defer_code = 450 > defer_service_name = defer > defer_transports = > delay_notice_recipient = postmaster > delay_warning_time = 0h > deliver_lock_attempts = 20 > deliver_lock_delay = 1s > disable_dns_lookups = no > disable_mime_input_processing = no > disable_mime_output_conversion = no > disable_verp_bounces = no > disable_vrfy_command = no > dont_remove = 0 > double_bounce_sender = double-bounce > duplicate_filter_limit = 1000 > empty_address_recipient = MAILER-DAEMON > error_notice_recipient = postmaster > error_service_name = error > expand_owner_alias = no > export_environment = TZ MAIL_CONFIG > extract_recipient_limit = 10240 > fallback_relay = > fallback_transport = > fast_flush_domains = $relay_domains > fast_flush_purge_time = 7d > fast_flush_refresh_time = 12h > fault_injection_code = 0 > flush_service_name = flush > fork_attempts = 5 > fork_delay = 1s > forward_expansion_filter = > 1234567890!@%-_=+:,./ > abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ > forward_path = > $home/.forward${recipient_delimiter}${extension},$home/.forward > hash_queue_depth = 1 > hash_queue_names = incoming,active,deferred,bounce,defer,flush,hold > header_address_token_limit = 10240 > header_checks = > header_size_limit = 102400 > helpful_warnings = yes > home_mailbox = .maildir/ > hopcount_limit = 50 > ignore_mx_lookup_error = no > import_environment = MAIL_CONFIG MAIL_DEBUG MAIL_LOGTAG TZ XAUTHORITY > DISPLAY > in_flow_delay = 1s > inet_interfaces = all > initial_destination_concurrency = 5 > invalid_hostname_reject_code = 501 > ipc_idle = 100s > ipc_timeout = 3600s > line_length_limit = 2048 > lmtp_bind_address = > lmtp_bind_address6 = > lmtp_cache_connection = yes > lmtp_connect_timeout = 0s > lmtp_data_done_timeout = 600s > lmtp_data_init_timeout = 120s > lmtp_data_xfer_timeout = 180s > lmtp_lhlo_timeout = 300s > lmtp_mail_timeout = 300s > lmtp_quit_timeout = 300s > lmtp_rcpt_timeout = 300s > lmtp_rset_timeout = 300s > lmtp_sasl_auth_enable = no > lmtp_sasl_password_maps = > lmtp_sasl_security_options = noplaintext, noanonymous > lmtp_skip_quit_response = no > lmtp_tcp_port = 24 > local_command_shell = > local_destination_concurrency_limit = 2 > local_destination_recipient_limit = 1 > local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps $virtual_mailbox_maps > unix:passwd.byname > local_transport = local > luser_relay = > mail_name = Postfix > mail_owner = postfix > mail_release_date = 20030913 > mail_spool_directory = /var/spool/mail > mail_version = 2.0.16 > mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -a $DOMAIN > mailbox_command_maps = > mailbox_delivery_lock = fcntl, dotlock > mailbox_size_limit = 51200000 > mailbox_transport = > mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq > manpage_directory = /usr/share/man > maps_rbl_domains = > maps_rbl_reject_code = 554 > masquerade_classes = envelope_sender, header_sender, header_recipient > masquerade_domains = > masquerade_exceptions = > max_idle = 100s > max_use = 100 > maximal_backoff_time = 4000s > maximal_queue_lifetime = 5d > message_size_limit = 10240000 > mime_boundary_length_limit = 2048 > mime_header_checks = $header_checks > mime_nesting_limit = 100 > minimal_backoff_time = 1000s > mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, $mydomain, > mail.$mydomain, www.$mydomain, ftp.$mydomain > mydomain = azbay.net > myhostname = aenima.azbay.net > mynetworks = 216.31.33.176/29, 127.0.0.0/8 > mynetworks_style = subnet > myorigin = azbay.net > nested_header_checks = $header_checks > newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases > non_fqdn_reject_code = 504 > notify_classes = resource,software > owner_request_special = no > parent_domain_matches_subdomains = > debug_peer_list,fast_flush_domains,mynetworks,permit_mx_backup_networks > ,qmqpd_authorized_clients,relay_domains,smtpd_access_maps > permit_mx_backup_networks = > pickup_service_name = pickup > prepend_delivered_header = command, file, forward > process_id_directory = pid > program_directory = /usr/lib/postfix > propagate_unmatched_extensions = canonical, virtual > proxy_interfaces = > proxy_read_maps = $local_recipient_maps $mydestination > $virtual_alias_maps $virtual_alias_domains $virtual_mailbox_maps > $virtual_mailbox_domains $relay_recipient_maps $relay_domains > $canonical_maps $sender_canonical_maps $recipient_canonical_maps > $relocated_maps $transport_maps $mynetworks > qmgr_clog_warn_time = 300s > qmgr_fudge_factor = 100 > qmgr_message_active_limit = 20000 > qmgr_message_recipient_limit = 20000 > qmgr_message_recipient_minimum = 10 > qmqpd_authorized_clients = > qmqpd_error_delay = 1s > qmqpd_timeout = 300s > queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix > queue_file_attribute_count_limit = 100 > queue_minfree = 0 > queue_run_delay = 1000s > queue_service_name = qmgr > rbl_reply_maps = > readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.0.16-r1/readme > recipient_canonical_maps = > recipient_delimiter = + > reject_code = 554 > relay_clientcerts = > relay_domains = $mydestination > relay_domains_reject_code = 554 > relay_recipient_maps = > relay_transport = relay > relayhost = > relocated_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-relocated.cf > require_home_directory = no > resolve_dequoted_address = yes > rewrite_service_name = rewrite > sample_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.0.16-r1/sample > sender_canonical_maps = > sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail > service_throttle_time = 60s > setgid_group = postdrop > show_user_unknown_table_name = yes > showq_service_name = showq > smtp_always_send_ehlo = yes > smtp_bind_address = > smtp_bind_address6 = > smtp_connect_timeout = 30s > smtp_data_done_timeout = 600s > smtp_data_init_timeout = 120s > smtp_data_xfer_timeout = 180s > smtp_destination_concurrency_limit = > $default_destination_concurrency_limit > smtp_destination_recipient_limit = $default_destination_recipient_limit > smtp_enforce_tls = no > smtp_helo_name = $myhostname > smtp_helo_timeout = 300s > smtp_line_length_limit = 990 > smtp_mail_timeout = 300s > smtp_never_send_ehlo = no > smtp_pix_workaround_delay_time = 10s > smtp_pix_workaround_threshold_time = 500s > smtp_quit_timeout = 300s > smtp_randomize_addresses = yes > smtp_rcpt_timeout = 300s > smtp_sasl_auth_enable = no > smtp_sasl_password_maps = > smtp_sasl_security_options = noplaintext, noanonymous > smtp_sasl_tls_security_options = $var_smtp_sasl_opts > smtp_sasl_tls_verified_security_options = $var_smtp_sasl_tls_opts > smtp_skip_4xx_greeting = yes > smtp_skip_5xx_greeting = yes > smtp_skip_quit_response = yes > smtp_starttls_timeout = 300s > smtp_tls_CAfile = > smtp_tls_CApath = > smtp_tls_cert_file = > smtp_tls_cipherlist = > smtp_tls_dcert_file = > smtp_tls_dkey_file = $smtp_tls_dcert_file > smtp_tls_enforce_peername = yes > smtp_tls_key_file = $smtp_tls_cert_file > smtp_tls_loglevel = 0 > smtp_tls_note_starttls_offer = no > smtp_tls_per_site = > smtp_tls_scert_verifydepth = 5 > smtp_tls_session_cache_database = > smtp_tls_session_cache_timeout = 3600s > smtp_use_tls = no > smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name ($mail_version) > smtpd_client_restrictions = > smtpd_data_restrictions = > smtpd_delay_reject = yes > smtpd_enforce_tls = no > smtpd_error_sleep_time = 1s > smtpd_etrn_restrictions = > smtpd_expansion_filter = > \t\40!"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>? > @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ > smtpd_hard_error_limit = 20 > smtpd_helo_required = no > smtpd_helo_restrictions = > smtpd_history_flush_threshold = 100 > smtpd_junk_command_limit = 100 > smtpd_noop_commands = > smtpd_null_access_lookup_key = <> > smtpd_recipient_limit = 1000 > smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated, > permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination > smtpd_restriction_classes = > smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes > smtpd_sasl_local_domain = > smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous > smtpd_sasl_tls_security_options = $smtpd_sasl_security_options > smtpd_sender_login_maps = > smtpd_sender_restrictions = > smtpd_soft_error_limit = 10 > smtpd_starttls_timeout = 300s > smtpd_timeout = 300s > smtpd_tls_CAfile = /etc/postfix/cacert.pem > smtpd_tls_CApath = > smtpd_tls_ask_ccert = no > smtpd_tls_auth_only = no > smtpd_tls_ccert_verifydepth = 5 > smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/postfix/newcert.pem > smtpd_tls_cipherlist = > smtpd_tls_dcert_file = > smtpd_tls_dh1024_param_file = > smtpd_tls_dh512_param_file = > smtpd_tls_dkey_file = $smtpd_tls_dcert_file > smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/postfix/newreq.pem > smtpd_tls_loglevel = 3 > smtpd_tls_received_header = yes > smtpd_tls_req_ccert = no > smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = > smtpd_tls_session_cache_timeout = 3600s > smtpd_tls_wrappermode = no > smtpd_use_tls = yes > soft_bounce = no > stale_lock_time = 500s > strict_7bit_headers = no > strict_8bitmime = no > strict_8bitmime_body = no > strict_mime_encoding_domain = no > strict_rfc821_envelopes = no > sun_mailtool_compatibility = no > swap_bangpath = yes > syslog_facility = mail > syslog_name = postfix > tls_daemon_random_bytes = 32 > tls_daemon_random_source = > tls_ipv6_version = 1.18a > tls_random_bytes = 32 > tls_random_exchange_name = ${config_directory}/prng_exch > tls_random_prng_update_period = 60s > tls_random_reseed_period = 3600s > tls_random_source = dev:/dev/urandom > transport_maps = > transport_retry_time = 60s > trigger_timeout = 10s > undisclosed_recipients_header = To: undisclosed-recipients:; > unknown_address_reject_code = 450 > unknown_client_reject_code = 450 > unknown_hostname_reject_code = 450 > unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 > unknown_relay_recipient_reject_code = 550 > unknown_virtual_alias_reject_code = 550 > unknown_virtual_mailbox_reject_code = 550 > verp_delimiter_filter = -=+ > virtual_alias_domains = $virtual_alias_maps > virtual_alias_maps = hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases, > mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf > virtual_gid_maps = static:1004 > virtual_mailbox_base = / > virtual_mailbox_domains = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf > virtual_mailbox_limit = 51200000 > virtual_mailbox_lock = fcntl > virtual_mailbox_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-maps.cf > virtual_minimum_uid = 1000 > virtual_transport = virtual > virtual_uid_maps = static:1004 > > > -- > David Chandler > dave at azbay.net > www.azbay.net > 505.649.4846 > > On Jan 29, 2004, at 4:08 PM, Remko Lodder wrote: > >> what is your delivery method? >> local? >> >> aliases only work for local domains >> >> -- >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Remko Lodder >> Elvandar.org/DSINet.org >> www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the >> hackerscene >> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org >> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at lists.elvandar.org]Namens David Chandler >> Verzonden: vrijdag 30 januari 2004 0:00 >> Aan: mailman-users at python.org >> Onderwerp: [Mailman-Users] Mailman unknown user >> >> >> I setup Mailman with Postfix 2.16 on a gentoo box. I modified the >> Postfix configuration to include the /var/mailman/data/aliases. I can >> create lists and get the e-mail to the list owner, but when I try to >> send to the list I get the following bounced message: >> >> The Postfix program >> >> <"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"@azbay.net>: unknown user: >> "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman" >> Reporting-MTA: dns; aenima.azbay.net >> Arrival-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:48:46 -0700 (MST) >> >> Final-Recipient: rfc822; "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post >> mailman"@azbay.net >> Action: failed >> Status: 5.0.0 >> Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; unknown user: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman >> post >> mailman" >> >> From: David Chandler >> Date: January 29, 2004 3:48:45 PM MST >> To: mailman at azbay.net >> Subject: test >> >> >> test >> >> >> Everything seems of with the aliases, I just can't figure out where >> the >> problem is coming from. >> >> Thanks, >> Dave >> >> -- >> David Chandler >> dave at azbay.net >> www.azbay.net >> 505.649.4846 >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> This message was sent to: mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mailman- >> users%40lists.e >> lvandar.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list >> Mailman-users at lists.elvandar.org >> http://lists.elvandar.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> > From lee_19712003 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 00:42:43 2004 From: lee_19712003 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lee?=) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:42:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I set up a user-friendly write-to address? In-Reply-To: <9E004102-50E2-11D8-AC79-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <20040129234243.42716.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com> hello Richard and Todd, thankyou for your recent replies regarding the cpanel v mailman issue I mailed in about. ('user-friendly' post-to address, not x_xx.com at xx.com) I was advised by my hosting support to set up a 'dummy' simpler-addressed email account for list subscribers to write-to, which i would then auto-forward to the actual email address of the list. I had thought of this but I think they have been a little simplistic in their advice on how to do this; yes, if my list is open to subscribers only, the 'dummy' address would need to be a subscriber of the actual list, but I feel I need to look deeper into this. For eg, mailman would send out mail from its 'real' address which I would have to configure in the settings to appear as the 'dummy address' - presumably I would do this by adding the dummy as the explicit reply-to address? I can also see issues regarding the dummy email's subscriber 'metoo' and 'no mail' options - I'm assuming they need to be set to not receive any list mails at all, to avoid a mail loop and duplicates? thanks for any help, lee (By the way, my server's python is out of action at the moment, so I can't just test any of this to see what works) ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save ?80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Jan 30 02:22:17 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 29 Jan 2004 20:22:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot get GUI to work In-Reply-To: <401972B8.6070705@wisc.edu> References: <401972B8.6070705@wisc.edu> Message-ID: <1075425737.4278.223.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 15:53, William C. Mueller wrote: > We are setting up Mailman 2.1.4 for testing and review > on a Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0 system. > > Mailman installed OK and > usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms produced no errors. > > So unto Step 4. Final system set-up. > However here is where we run into problems. > > We are trying to interface Mailman with Apache but > cannot get the Mailman GUI to run. > > Per the instructions > httpd.conf was edited to include: > > ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/" > > > AllowOverride None > Options FollowSymLinks ExecCGI > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > The ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/var/www/cgi-bin/" > and its Directory definition were commented out. > > The web server was started with "apachectl start". > Browsing into our machine we get only: > Index of / > with no files listed. > > Also DocumentRoot and Directory were experimented with: > > DocumentRoot "/var/www/html" > was changed to > DocumentRoot "/usr/local/mailman" > > and > > > was changed to > > > Making this change resulted in the browser to display > all the files in /usr/local/mailman. > > Clicking on the cgi-bin directory resulted in Forbidden > Access. > > A listing of /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin > shows the following files. > > admin > admindb > confirm > create > edithtml > listinfo > options > private > rmlist > roster > subscribe > > We thought there should be .cgi files or an index.html > file in there. How do we point to the file that starts > the GUI interface? > > Since we are just new to this environment the answer may > right in front of us and we can't see it. > > Any help from this list would be much appreciated. > > Thank you, > -Bill Mueller > > William C. Mueller wcmuelle at wisc.edu 608-262-9886 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Systems Engineering & Operations - Customer Application Services > University of Wisconsin - Division of Information Technology > 5752 Tokay Blvd, Suite 200, Madison, WI 53719 - United States > > # # httpd configuration settings for use with mailman. # ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ Options +FollowSymlinks From astebakov at yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 05:14:11 2004 From: astebakov at yahoo.com (Andrew Stebakov) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:14:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with newlist command Message-ID: <20040130041411.40638.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I just installed mailman 2.1 from the source. Now when I try to use newlist "test" command it says that test at MyDomain is illegal. I checked Mailman/mm_cfg.py for the default domain. It points to the right domain. Looks like mm_cfg.py settings are not being used by newlist command. Please, any suggestions! Thanks, Andrew __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From hannes at interexcel.co.za Fri Jan 30 08:47:01 2004 From: hannes at interexcel.co.za (Hannes Calitz) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:47:01 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member Options Page Message-ID: <20040130074757.EEA032D31D@mail.interexcel.co.za> Hi I don't know if anyone can help, but when I edit the Member Options HTML page, everything displays fine. For 10 minutes that is. After that, if I go check, it has reverted back to the original page. When I go to the edit page to change it again, it is still how I left it. Then if I click the "Submit your changes" button, and check the page, it is how I changed it, albeit for only 10 minutes. Any help would be greatly appreciated. PLEEEEEEAAAAASE!!! Tx Hannes From simon at caperet.com Fri Jan 30 10:28:59 2004 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:28:59 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I set up a user-friendly write-to address? In-Reply-To: <20040129234243.42716.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com> References: <9E004102-50E2-11D8-AC79-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> <20040129234243.42716.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040130092859.GB24704@mediadev.com> 29-Jan-04 at 23:42, Lee (lee_19712003 at yahoo.com) wrote : > I was advised by my hosting support to set up a > 'dummy' simpler-addressed email account for list > subscribers to write-to, which i would then > auto-forward to the actual email address of the list. > > yes, if my list is open to subscribers only, the > 'dummy' address would need to be a subscriber of the > actual list, but I feel I need to look deeper into > this. No. The 'dummy' address is merely a pointer to the real list address. This does not require the 'dummy' address to be a subscriber, because the emails will be passed on (transparently) to the list, and with the original sender still in place of course. The 'dummy' address will be an alias for the real address, nothing more. The important part will be getting messages to go out with the Reply address set correctly. > For eg, mailman would send out mail from its 'real' > address which I would have to configure in the > settings to appear as the 'dummy address' - presumably > I would do this by adding the dummy as the explicit > reply-to address? You can do that, but some email clients might not obey the Reply-To address correctly, you will be watertight only if you can set the main >From address correctly... > I can also see issues regarding the dummy email's > subscriber 'metoo' and 'no mail' options - > I'm assuming they need to be set to not receive any > list mails at all, to avoid a mail loop and > duplicates? Nope... the 'dummy' address (alias) does not need to be a subscriber. Regards, -- Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; MySQL MSSQL Access Bridging the gap between management, HR and the tech team. From lee_19712003 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 11:34:18 2004 From: lee_19712003 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lee?=) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:34:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I set up a user-friendly write-to address? In-Reply-To: <20040130092859.GB24704@mediadev.com> Message-ID: <20040130103418.40218.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com> Simon, thanks for that - I got the feeling my hosting support hadn't really thought it through! lee --- Simon White wrote: > 29-Jan-04 at 23:42, Lee (lee_19712003 at yahoo.com) > wrote : > > I was advised by my hosting support to set up a > > 'dummy' simpler-addressed email account for list > > subscribers to write-to, which i would then > > auto-forward to the actual email address of the > list. > > > > yes, if my list is open to subscribers only, the > > 'dummy' address would need to be a subscriber of > the > > actual list, but I feel I need to look deeper into > > this. > > No. The 'dummy' address is merely a pointer to the > real list address. > This does not require the 'dummy' address to be a > subscriber, because > the emails will be passed on (transparently) to the > list, and with the > original sender still in place of course. > > The 'dummy' address will be an alias for the real > address, nothing more. > The important part will be getting messages to go > out with the Reply > address set correctly. > > > For eg, mailman would send out mail from its > 'real' > > address which I would have to configure in the > > settings to appear as the 'dummy address' - > presumably > > I would do this by adding the dummy as the > explicit > > reply-to address? > > You can do that, but some email clients might not > obey the Reply-To > address correctly, you will be watertight only if > you can set the main > >From address correctly... > > > I can also see issues regarding the dummy email's > > subscriber 'metoo' and 'no mail' options - > > I'm assuming they need to be set to not receive > any > > list mails at all, to avoid a mail loop and > > duplicates? > > Nope... the 'dummy' address (alias) does not need to > be a subscriber. > > Regards, > > -- > Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows > Server Administration. > email, dns and web servers; php javascript perl asp; > MySQL MSSQL Access > Bridging the gap between management, HR and the > tech team. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: lee_19712003 at yahoo.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/lee_19712003%40yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save ?80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk From simon at caperet.com Fri Jan 30 11:47:00 2004 From: simon at caperet.com (Simon White) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:47:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I set up a user-friendly write-to address? In-Reply-To: <20040130103418.40218.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040130092859.GB24704@mediadev.com> <20040130103418.40218.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040130104659.GD24704@mediadev.com> 30-Jan-04 at 10:34, Lee (lee_19712003 at yahoo.com) wrote : > thanks for that - I got the feeling my hosting support > hadn't really thought it through! They certainly didn't explain it to you properly did they? :-) Regards, -- The mediocre teacher tells. The good teacher explains. The superior teacher demonstrates. The great teacher inspires. William A. Ward From lee_19712003 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 12:33:57 2004 From: lee_19712003 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lee?=) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:33:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: Member Options Page Message-ID: <20040130113357.97614.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> hello, I was just thinking about your message - make sure you have (all) cookies enabled in your browser, for your changes to work. lee --------------- Hi I don't know if anyone can help, but when I edit the Member Options HTML page, everything displays fine. For 10 minutes that is. After that, if I go check, it has reverted back to the original page. When I go to the edit page to change it again, it is still how I left it. Then if I click the "Submit your changes" button, and check the page, it is how I changed it, albeit for only 10 minutes. Any help would be greatly appreciated. PLEEEEEEAAAAASE!!! Tx Hannes ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save ?80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk From brian at oneparkplace.com Fri Jan 30 14:33:28 2004 From: brian at oneparkplace.com (Brian Haines) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:33:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] locks Message-ID: <002a01c3e735$a5836300$0a01a8c0@brian2600> I am very new to all of this including using Mailman, Linux, Sendmail, etc... I have Mialman 2.0.13-1 on Red Hat Linux using Sendmail as the MTA. It has worked a few times, but right now when I send my announcement it fails. Why I don't know but here are some things I can see: There are files in the /var/mailman/locks folder called qrunner.lock and qrunner.lock.www.domain.name. When I delete them and refresh the list I can briefly see listname.lock and listname.lock.www.domain.name and the above, but the listname items disappear after a few minutes. Here is the TOP output. I don't know what else to look for. Nothing is going out anywhere. 20010 root 16 0 696 696 600 S 0.0 0.1 0:00 CROND 20012 mailman 15 0 35840 35M 1612 S 0.0 6.9 0:07 /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner 20114 root 16 0 696 696 600 S 0.0 0.1 0:00 CROND 20115 mailman 15 0 35840 35M 1612 S 0.0 6.9 0:06 /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner 20130 root 16 0 696 696 600 S 0.0 0.1 0:00 CROND 20131 mailman 15 0 35840 35M 1612 S 0.0 6.9 0:06 /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner 20224 root 16 0 2300 2296 1636 S 0.0 0.4 0:00 sendmail: server [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] child wait 20225 root 15 0 3060 3056 1664 S 0.0 0.5 0:00 sendmail: i0UDC4e20225 [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]: rcpt TO: 20279 root 16 0 2300 2296 1636 S 0.0 0.4 0:00 sendmail: server [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] child wait 20297 root 16 0 2300 2296 1636 S 0.0 0.4 0:00 sendmail: server [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] child wait 20298 root 15 0 2528 2524 1664 S 0.0 0.4 0:00 sendmail: i0UDGfe20298 [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]: rcpt TO: 20299 root 16 0 2300 2296 1636 S 0.0 0.4 0:00 sendmail: server [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] child wait 20300 root 15 0 2564 2560 1664 S 0.0 0.4 0:00 sendmail: i0UDGoe20300 [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]: rcpt TO: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is our IP address. I mention this because we are using something else I am unfamiliar with called IPTables to assign the outgoing mail to one of our other IP addresses like so: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -p tcp --dport 25 -j SNAT --to-source xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx I don't even know enough to know if xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx in TOP should be our IP or the receiving server IP. I do appreciate any hep at all. Brian From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Jan 30 15:03:35 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Jan 2004 09:03:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member Options Page In-Reply-To: <20040130074757.EEA032D31D@mail.interexcel.co.za> References: <20040130074757.EEA032D31D@mail.interexcel.co.za> Message-ID: <1075471415.3139.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 02:47, Hannes Calitz wrote: > Hi > > > > I don't know if anyone can help, but when I edit the Member Options HTML > page, everything displays fine. For 10 minutes that is. After that, if I go > check, it has reverted back to the original page. When I go to the edit page > to change it again, it is still how I left it. Then if I click the "Submit > your changes" button, and check the page, it is how I changed it, albeit for > only 10 minutes. Any help would be greatly appreciated. PLEEEEEEAAAAASE!!! > > > > Tx > > Hannes On a Red Hat box: service mailman restart >From a scratch build: ~mailman/bin/mailmanctl restart From astebakov at yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 17:41:37 2004 From: astebakov at yahoo.com (Andrew Stebakov) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:41:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Error: Unknown virtual host" when creating a new list Message-ID: <20040130164137.69048.qmail@web40903.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I can create a new list using the newlist command (mailman v 2.1.4), but when I go to the web interface with http://mydomain.com/mailman/create, type in all the info, the I have the result as "Error: Unknown virtual host: mydomain.com". Could anyone shed some light on this? Thanks a lot! 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Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From astebakov at yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 20:01:01 2004 From: astebakov at yahoo.com (Andrew Stebakov) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:01:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription/UnSubscription withoug a password Message-ID: <20040130190101.54401.qmail@web40905.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I was wondering if it's ever possible in mailman not to use any password when the user subscribes or unsubscribes? If no, what's the reason for that? I've seen many newsletters subscription that didn't require a password. A confirmation email/click should be just enough to subscribe, same goes for unsubscribe. Thanks, Andrew --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! From noahm at csail.mit.edu Fri Jan 30 20:03:51 2004 From: noahm at csail.mit.edu (Noah Meyerhans) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:03:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] x.509 cert authentication for web interface? Message-ID: <20040130190351.GG8928@locutus.csail.mit.edu> Hi all. I'm wondering if anybody has devised a way to authenticate to the admin/moderator interfaces in Mailman using browser certificates. We try to use them to authenticate to web services wherever possible, and have a fairly widely deployed PKI at my site. It seems like this should be possible, but I really don't know python and am not very familiar with Mailman's code. We use Apache and mod_ssl, which means that we can make a bunch of environment variables associated with the certificates available to Mailman. In particular, we can find out the email address of the user. It seems like we should be able to look for that email address in the list of admin or moderator addresses and consider the user to be authenticated if it's there. The web server is already doing the necessary work to verify that the certificate is valid, so everything presented to Mailman should be trustworthy. Any help would be much appreciated. noah -- Noah Meyerhans System Administrator MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040130/852c9623/attachment.pgp From jdecarlo at mitre.org Fri Jan 30 20:13:32 2004 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:13:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I set up a user-friendly write-to address? In-Reply-To: <20040129234243.42716.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040129234243.42716.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <401AACDC.2090806@mitre.org> Lee, Lee wrote: > I was advised by my hosting support to set up a > 'dummy' simpler-addressed email account for list > subscribers to write-to, which i would then > auto-forward to the actual email address of the list. Simon described the situation very well. I thought I would add one note, which may or may not affect you. When forwarding one email address to another for Mailman, under some circumstances you have to worry about the "implicit address" problem. As I understand it, this is when the real address of the list isn't in the To: or CC: This has happened when I moved a list from one machine to another and simply forwarded all mail to the new address. The answer, in this case, is to go to the Privacy -> Recipient Filters section and add alternate email addresses users may send to to the list of aliases. Hope this helps. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From michael at offroadgeek.com Fri Jan 30 20:18:43 2004 From: michael at offroadgeek.com (michael at offroadgeek.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:18:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple (virtual) domains Message-ID: <11447.206.16.33.11.1075490323.spork@webmail.offroadgeek.com> Hello - I seem to be having trouble with my mailman install. We have a single mailman install on a server with multiple domains. When I go into the list admin (general) page for any list on the server, it shows scighera.badgerracing.com for host_name. I've changed this to zaurususergroup.com (for the list that I'd like to have for that site). But when I test subscribing to the site, I don't receive a confirmation email, nor do I see my address in the membership management page. Here's my setup: mailman 2.14 sendmail 8.12.10 slackware 9 I've been reading as much as I can on the FAQs and documentation that I can find. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! From brt at fdread.org Tue Jan 27 22:47:52 2004 From: brt at fdread.org (Robert Breithuber) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:47:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman, bounce detection not working? Message-ID: <200401272247.52326.brt@fdread.org> i have no idea whats going wrong: i have lots of entries in ..mailman/logs/smtp-failure like this: Jan 27 22:26:39 2004 (29932) delivery to public at sushu.net failed with code 450: : Recipient address rejected: Domain not found since weeks now every 15min (!) i am using postfix as MTA. any ideas what may go wrong? is this not a case for bounce processing? i checked, the bounce settings and anything seems to setted correctly. everything else is working perfectly! any hint would be very appreciated... greetings, robert -- ________________________________________ / The game, anoraks.2.0.0.tgz, will be \ | available from sunsite until somebody | | responsible notices it and deletes it, | | and shortly from | | ftp.mee.tcd.ie/pub/Brian, though they | | don't know that yet. | | | \ -- Brian O'Donnell, odonnllb at tcd.ie / ---------------------------------------- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\_______ (__)\ )\/\ ||----w | || || From AFaith at allsoulschurch.org Wed Jan 28 19:31:19 2004 From: AFaith at allsoulschurch.org (Aanda Faith) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:31:19 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating mailing lists Message-ID: <001f01c3e5cc$ec5e54c0$1164a8c0@allsouls> Hi, My name is Amanda Faith and I work for a church that is interested in setting up email lists for different groups in the church. We were wondering about your services and how exactly we'd set up the lists. Also, I would like to know if there is a limit to the number of lists we would be able to set up. Thanks for your help, Amanda Faith All Souls Church Reception & Admin. Asst. (918) 743-2363 afaith at allsoulschurch.org From cto at uftec.com Fri Jan 30 04:20:41 2004 From: cto at uftec.com (James Lancelot) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:20:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding users through a website Message-ID: Hi, I want to setup a little form box that allows you to add yourself to the listserve. I am not sure on how to do this. We are using a list serve that has been setup through pair.com. It is mailman 2.0. Is it possible just to have an email sent through something like formmail that would add an address? Or do I have to code something in that goes right to the listserve? Any help would be much appreciated. -- James Lancelot CTO TEC http://www.uftec.com cto at uftec.com 352.870.4158 From davef at davefisher.co.uk Fri Jan 30 12:03:22 2004 From: davef at davefisher.co.uk (Dave Fisher) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:03:22 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help diagnosing bounce processing and logging problems In-Reply-To: References: <20040129150450.GA26826@davefisher.co.uk> Message-ID: <20040130110322.GA963@davefisher.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 10:26:31PM +0100, Thomas Hochstein wrote: > Dave Fisher schrieb: > > > From what I can see, Exim simply uses /etc/aliases lines to pipe all > > admin messages to /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman on Debian, but I've no > > idea what Mailman does with them after that. > > At least on current versions of Mailman, mail is sent with an envelope > of "$listname-bounces at host.example"; that means, bounces go back to > that adress, and Exim then uses /etc/aliases lines to pipe all bounces > to the mailman bounce-processing. It should be possible to change that > line to send the mail (the bounce) to you *and* pipe it to mailman. Thanks Thomas, Just after I wrote my original request for help, I realised that I could that and have now done so. I would, however, still like to know what the automatic bounce processing actually does in some detail. I've already noticed a range of different errors. The most common seem to be temporary routing and name lookup problems, so I'd like to find out how I can ensure that exim/mailman tries to re-send the original for longer, i.e. until the temporary problem has gone away. Is there any documentation, or some obvious option that I've overlooked, about this? Dave From davef at davefisher.co.uk Fri Jan 30 12:03:22 2004 From: davef at davefisher.co.uk (Dave Fisher) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:03:22 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help diagnosing bounce processing and logging problems In-Reply-To: References: <20040129150450.GA26826@davefisher.co.uk> Message-ID: <20040130110322.GA963@davefisher.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 10:26:31PM +0100, Thomas Hochstein wrote: > Dave Fisher schrieb: > > > From what I can see, Exim simply uses /etc/aliases lines to pipe all > > admin messages to /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman on Debian, but I've no > > idea what Mailman does with them after that. > > At least on current versions of Mailman, mail is sent with an envelope > of "$listname-bounces at host.example"; that means, bounces go back to > that adress, and Exim then uses /etc/aliases lines to pipe all bounces > to the mailman bounce-processing. It should be possible to change that > line to send the mail (the bounce) to you *and* pipe it to mailman. Thanks Thomas, Just after I wrote my original request for help, I realised that I could that and have now done so. I would, however, still like to know what the automatic bounce processing actually does in some detail. I've already noticed a range of different errors. The most common seem to be temporary routing and name lookup problems, so I'd like to find out how I can ensure that exim/mailman tries to re-send the original for longer, i.e. until the temporary problem has gone away. Is there any documentation, or some obvious option that I've overlooked, about this? Dave From jfoo at dnalegalservices.org Wed Jan 28 20:57:36 2004 From: jfoo at dnalegalservices.org (Josephine Foo) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:57:36 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug in mailman Message-ID: hi, our mailing lists messageboard at sanjuanpeace.org and news at sanjuanpeace.org are on your mailman, and they havebeen up and down for the last week. today we got this message when we accessed the admin page--hope you can help us. josey foo please reply to fooferg at hotmail.com _____ Bug in Mailman version 2.1.3 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/driver", line 223, in ? run_main() File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/driver", line 97, in run_main print_traceback(logger) File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/driver", line 120, in print_traceback print >> logfp, '@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@' File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 73, in write Logger.write(self, "%s %s" % (prefix, msg)) MemoryError _____ Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) [GCC 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-4)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python2 sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 _____ Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_REFERER http://www.sanjuanpeace.org/ SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.29 (Unix) mod_auth_passthrough/1.8 mod_log_bytes/1.2 mod_bwlimited/1.4 PHP/4.3.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2634 mod_ssl/2.8.16 OpenSSL/0.9.7a PYTHONPATH /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo SERVER_ADMIN webmaster at sanjuanpeace.org SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/listinfo REQUEST_METHOD GET HTTP_HOST sanjuanpeace.org PATH_INFO /messageboard_sanjuanpeace.org SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING REQUEST_URI /mailman/listinfo/messageboard_sanjuanpeace.org HTTP_ACCEPT */* HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1) HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive SERVER_NAME www.sanjuanpeace.org REMOTE_ADDR 67.41.7.225 REMOTE_PORT 1540 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us PATH_TRANSLATED /home/sanjuanp/public_html/messageboard_sanjuanpeace.org SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate SERVER_ADDR 69.10.149.14 DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/sanjuanp/public_html From hskojec at admin.fsu.edu Thu Jan 29 14:32:11 2004 From: hskojec at admin.fsu.edu (Heather Skojec) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:32:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing members who aren't on the list ??? Message-ID: <40190B5B.33F035CE@admin.fsu.edu> Hi. I'm the list administrator for a listserv that goes out weekly to about 2000 email addresses. Each week I receive about 15-20 bounced emails. When I try to remove them from the list, the address listed is not subscribed. I assume that this means the listserv email is forwarded to the email address that isn't working. Is there anyway to find out what the original email address is so that I can remove these from the subscribers list? Thanks for your help. Hillary Edwards Program Assistant Center for Civic Ed. and Service Florida State University 850 644-3342 hedwards at admin.fsu.edu From ntritchew at cliftonhill.com Thu Jan 29 00:06:19 2004 From: ntritchew at cliftonhill.com (Nicholas Tritchew) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:06:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question About Mail Man & Bounced emails Message-ID: <9B74974EF4B6794DB158C7508F27CEC0015F1A@m119-174.on.tac.net> How does Mail Man mailing list manager handle bounces? -Nicholas From mueller at doit.wisc.edu Thu Jan 29 18:10:24 2004 From: mueller at doit.wisc.edu (William C. Mueller) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:10:24 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot get GUI to work Message-ID: <40193E80.1010606@doit.wisc.edu> We are setting up Mailman 2.1.4 for testing and review on a Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0 system. Mailman installed OK and usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms produced no errors. So unto Step 4. Final system set-up. However here is where we run into problems. We are trying to interface Mailman with Apache but cannot get the Mailman GUI to run. Per the instructions httpd.conf was edited to include: ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/" AllowOverride None Options FollowSymLinks ExecCGI Order allow,deny Allow from all The ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/var/www/cgi-bin/" and its Directory definition were commented out. The web server was started with "apachectl start". Browsing into our machine we get only: Index of / with no files listed. Also DocumentRoot and Directory were experimented with: DocumentRoot "/var/www/html" was changed to DocumentRoot "/usr/local/mailman" and was changed to Making this change resulted in the browser to display all the files in /usr/local/mailman. Clicking on the cgi-bin directory resulted in Forbidden Access. A listing of /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin shows the following files. admin admindb confirm create edithtml listinfo options private rmlist roster subscribe We thought there should be .cgi files or an index.html file in there. How do we point to the file that starts the GUI interface? Since we are just new to this environment the answer may right in front of us and we can't see it. Any help from this list would be much appreciated. Thank you, -Bill Mueller William C. Mueller mueller at doit.wisc.edu 608-262-9886 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Systems Engineering & Operations - Customer Application Services University of Wisconsin - Division of Information Technology 5752 Tokay Blvd, Suite 200, Madison, WI 53719 - United States From wheakorypersonal at yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 20:33:11 2004 From: wheakorypersonal at yahoo.com (Kory Wheatley) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:33:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Setting question Message-ID: <20040128193311.24962.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com> In Mailman 2.1.4, what option do I change to allow members and non-members to post to the list without moderator approval. I want every message sent directly to the list. Rachelle Wheatley __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From ryan at regger.org Wed Jan 28 23:20:06 2004 From: ryan at regger.org (Ryan) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:20:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Install - Virtuals Message-ID: <20040128222006.23287.qmail@web41315.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I've just installed mailman and I'm not sure where "The web page for users of your mailing list" (the link in the email received when creating a new list) is in relationship to the $prefix directory. Also, do I have to create any virtuals for admin web pages or archives or any others? I've read and reread the install doc several times and haven't seen anything indicating that I need to. I have made a few virtuals just to try to narrow it down and check them out from a web page. One to the $prefix/templates, $prefix/lists, and the $prefix/public directory (which has soft links pointing towards the lists in the private directory). In the lists that are in the private directory, each has a config.pck, config.pck.last, or request.db. I'm thinking maybe I'm not browsing the correct directory. Please shed some light. Thanks, Ryan From takrishnan at yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 04:59:30 2004 From: takrishnan at yahoo.com (Anandha Krishnan) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:59:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrate lists from 2.0.5 to 2.1.4 Message-ID: <20040130035930.67498.qmail@web60510.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I'm setting up a new system with newer OS and 2.1.4 version of mailman and need to migrate the old lists to the new server with archive data. I would really appreciate if someone could guide me through how to get this done. I have tried to move the /home/mailman/listls/~/* files and /home/mailman/archive/~/* to the new system and ran update but the old lists are not using the new features of 2.1.4. In other words and lists created on 2.1.4 have different view on the web page than the ones migrated from the old server. Thank you for your in advance. Anandha __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Jan 30 21:25:24 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Jan 2004 15:25:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] x.509 cert authentication for web interface? In-Reply-To: <20040130190351.GG8928@locutus.csail.mit.edu> References: <20040130190351.GG8928@locutus.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1075494323.3139.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 14:03, Noah Meyerhans wrote: > Hi all. I'm wondering if anybody has devised a way to authenticate to > the admin/moderator interfaces in Mailman using browser certificates. > We try to use them to authenticate to web services wherever possible, > and have a fairly widely deployed PKI at my site. > > It seems like this should be possible, but I really don't know python > and am not very familiar with Mailman's code. We use Apache and > mod_ssl, which means that we can make a bunch of environment variables > associated with the certificates available to Mailman. In particular, > we can find out the email address of the user. It seems like we should > be able to look for that email address in the list of admin or moderator > addresses and consider the user to be authenticated if it's there. The > web server is already doing the necessary work to verify that the > certificate is valid, so everything presented to Mailman should be > trustworthy. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > noah Dude, Just move the script alias inside the ssl part of your httpd.conf. From fred at metalab.unc.edu Fri Jan 30 21:44:24 2004 From: fred at metalab.unc.edu (Fred Stutzman) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:44:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.4 info/html issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone have any last ideas about my issue, described in the thread below? If not, i'll submit a bug. Thanks, Fred On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Fred Stutzman wrote: > Thanks for the advice - unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the > solution. > > I played around with one of my own lists, and was able to replicate the > behavior. You can check that out at: > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/somewhat > > This list had no html in the info section until I added it this afternoon. > > Thanks! > Fred > > > On 28 Jan 2004, Jon Carnes wrote: > > > On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 17:55, Fred Stutzman wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > We recently upgraded to Mailman 2.1.4, and we're encountering an issue > > > that I can't seem to track down. > > > > > > Our user had previously configured their "info" option to include html > > > information. Until the upgrade, this has always displayed on the list > > > front page as html. The html is now being displayed as text. You can see > > > an example of this by visiting: > > > > > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > > > For example : Pacific Bulb Society Mailing List > > > > > > I've spent a few hours attempting to track this issue down, but I'm > > > running out of options. I've messed with the > > > DEFAULT_CONVERT_HTML_TO_PLAINTEXT options, and re-entered the "info" > > > information with pure, compliant HTML. I didn't see anything in the NEWS > > > file that would explain why this is happening. > > > > > > Any ideas? Thanks, Fred > > > > > Login to the Web Admin for that list and then click on: > > Edit the public HTML pages > > > > Then click on: > > General list information page > > > > Looks like the upgrade might have thrown in a
block around > > the added text it found there. You should be able to edit it back into > > the HTML shape it was in. > > > > If not, post the source you get for the listinfo page and I'll be happy > > to take a look at it. > > > > Jon Carnes (local Trilugger) > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: fred at metalab.unc.edu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/fred%40metalab.unc.edu > From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Fri Jan 30 20:19:25 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:19:25 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help diagnosing bounce processing and logging problems In-Reply-To: <20040130110322.GA963@davefisher.co.uk> References: <20040129150450.GA26826@davefisher.co.uk> <20040130110322.GA963@davefisher.co.uk> Message-ID: Dave Fisher wrote: > I've already noticed a range of different errors. The most common seem > to be temporary routing and name lookup problems, so I'd like to find > out how I can ensure that exim/mailman tries to re-send the original for > longer, i.e. until the temporary problem has gone away. That has nothing to do with mailman, but with your mailserver, i.e. Exim. You may want to have a look at the retry rules in exim.conf (or whatever you have as configuration file); it should be the second last part, IIRC. > Is there any documentation, or some obvious option that I've overlooked, > about this? You'll have to refer to the documentation of your mail server (MTA), i.e. Exim (which is really good) at . Mailman has completely done its job when the mail is delivered to the MTA. -thh From lee_19712003 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 22:04:37 2004 From: lee_19712003 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lee?=) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:04:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I set up a user-friendly write-to address? In-Reply-To: <401AACDC.2090806@mitre.org> Message-ID: <20040130210437.22893.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com> thanks John, yes, I can see where you're going with that. I now have mailman and python functionality fixed on my server, so will get to grips with your and Simon's tips soon. lee --- John DeCarlo wrote: > Lee, > > Lee wrote: > > > I was advised by my hosting support to set up a > > 'dummy' simpler-addressed email account for list > > subscribers to write-to, which i would then > > auto-forward to the actual email address of the > list. > > Simon described the situation very well. I thought > I would add one > note, which may or may not affect you. > > When forwarding one email address to another for > Mailman, under some > circumstances you have to worry about the "implicit > address" problem. > As I understand it, this is when the real address of > the list isn't in > the To: or CC: > > This has happened when I moved a list from one > machine to another and > simply forwarded all mail to the new address. > > The answer, in this case, is to go to the Privacy -> > Recipient Filters > section and add alternate email addresses users may > send to to the list > of aliases. > > Hope this helps. > > -- > > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > > ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save ?80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk From noahm at csail.mit.edu Fri Jan 30 22:11:51 2004 From: noahm at csail.mit.edu (Noah Meyerhans) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:11:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] x.509 cert authentication for web interface? In-Reply-To: <1075494323.3139.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20040130190351.GG8928@locutus.csail.mit.edu> <1075494323.3139.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040130211151.GM8928@locutus.csail.mit.edu> On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 03:25:24PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > > Just move the script alias inside the ssl part of your httpd.conf. > I've already got the script alias in the SSL section of Apache's config. That works fine, but it's most definitely not authenticating based on the x509 certificate presented by the browser. It it supposed to? I haven't seen any indication in the documentation that leads me to believe it is. Please point me to whatever docs I'm missing if I am missing something. Or tell me where in mailman's source code I can find that functionality. In case I was not clear in my intentions: If the browser presents an x509 certificate that is properly signed by my Certificate Authority, and the email address associated with the certificate is listed in the admin or moderator fields in Mailman, then the user should be considered authenticated. At no point should they be prompted for a password. noah -- Noah Meyerhans System Administrator MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They tell me it is all fixed now. lee --- Josephine Foo wrote: > > hi, our mailing lists messageboard at sanjuanpeace.org > and > news at sanjuanpeace.org are on your mailman, and they > havebeen up and down > for the last week. today we got this message when > we accessed the admin > page--hope you can help us. > > josey foo > please reply to fooferg at hotmail.com > > _____ > > > Bug in Mailman version 2.1.3 > > > > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > > > If you would like to help us identify the problem, > please email a copy > of this page to the webmaster for this site with a > description of what > happened. Thanks! > > Traceback: > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File > "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/driver", > line 223, in > ? > run_main() > File > "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/driver", > line 97, in > run_main > print_traceback(logger) > File > "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/driver", > line 120, in > print_traceback > print >> logfp, > '@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@' > File > "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", > line 73, in write > Logger.write(self, "%s %s" % (prefix, msg)) > MemoryError > > > > _____ > > > Python information: > > > Variable Value > sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) [GCC > 3.2.2 20030222 > (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-4)] > sys.executable /usr/bin/python2 > sys.prefix /usr > sys.exec_prefix /usr > sys.path /usr > sys.platform linux2 > > _____ > > > Environment variables: > > > Variable Value > HTTP_REFERER http://www.sanjuanpeace.org/ > SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.29 (Unix) > mod_auth_passthrough/1.8 > mod_log_bytes/1.2 mod_bwlimited/1.4 PHP/4.3.4 > FrontPage/5.0.2.2634 > mod_ssl/2.8.16 OpenSSL/0.9.7a > PYTHONPATH /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman > SCRIPT_FILENAME > /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo > > SERVER_ADMIN webmaster at sanjuanpeace.org > SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/listinfo > REQUEST_METHOD GET > HTTP_HOST sanjuanpeace.org > PATH_INFO /messageboard_sanjuanpeace.org > SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 > QUERY_STRING > REQUEST_URI > /mailman/listinfo/messageboard_sanjuanpeace.org > HTTP_ACCEPT */* > HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; > Windows NT > 5.1) > HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive > SERVER_NAME www.sanjuanpeace.org > REMOTE_ADDR 67.41.7.225 > REMOTE_PORT 1540 > HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us > PATH_TRANSLATED > /home/sanjuanp/public_html/messageboard_sanjuanpeace.org > > SERVER_PORT 80 > GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 > HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate > SERVER_ADDR 69.10.149.14 > DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/sanjuanp/public_html > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: lee_19712003 at yahoo.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/lee_19712003%40yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save ?80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jan 30 22:23:17 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:23:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing members who aren't on the list ??? In-Reply-To: <40190B5B.33F035CE@admin.fsu.edu> References: <40190B5B.33F035CE@admin.fsu.edu> Message-ID: At 8:32 AM -0500 2004/01/29, Heather Skojec wrote: > When I try to remove them from the list, the address listed is not > subscribed. I assume that this means the listserv email is forwarded to > the email address that isn't working. Is there anyway to find out what > the original email address is so that I can remove these from the > subscribers list? See and . -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From junkmail1 at myrealbox.com Fri Jan 30 23:32:56 2004 From: junkmail1 at myrealbox.com (Clark Burbidge) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:32:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <20040130153256.bhu04c8gok0ocws8@webmail.spamcop.net> mandrake 9.2 secure server setting using postfix I am not getting confirmation messages or adding members to my new mailing lists. I also get and error when I run bin/check_perms_grsecurity.py ?f [root at localhost mailman]# bin/check_perms_grsecurity.py -f Making select directories owned and writable by root only /usr/lib/mailman/mail /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin /usr/lib/mailman/bin Skipping creation of /usr/lib/mailman/bin/CheckFixUid.py Making cgis setuid mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/edithtml /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/admin /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/confirm /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/create /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/options /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/private /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/rmlist /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/roster /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe Making mail wrapper setuid mailman /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman Ensuring that all config.db/pck files are owned by Mailman Patching mailman scripts to change the uid to mailman Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/check_perms_grsecurity.py", line 183, in ? main(sys.argv) File "bin/check_perms_grsecurity.py", line 149, in main filefd = open(script, "r") IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'add_members' [root at localhost mailman]# I can see `add_members' 8 -rwxr-xr-x 1 mail mail 7612 Oct 6 22:30 add_members* Are these the correct permissions? From jsingh at fdu.edu Fri Jan 30 23:46:28 2004 From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:46:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman Message-ID: <000501c3e782$e64e9420$570bee84@FDUJACK> Hi guys I want to use mailman without actually using the web interface. Are there any known issues with that or you suggest that I have apache installed in any case? Thanks Os solaris 9 MTA Sendmail Jaskaran Singh University Systems & Security Fairleigh Dickinson University 1000 River Road, Mail Stop TBH1-01 Teaneck, NJ 07666 From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Jan 30 23:58:04 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Jan 2004 17:58:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.4 info/html issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1075503484.3139.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Fred, If you will just cut and paste the Listinfo source I would be happy to take a look at it for you on my test 2.1.4 install. I'm able to add the html code from your example and it works in my install - of course you have to play with it a bit to get it all to work. Jon Carnes On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 15:44, Fred Stutzman wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone have any last ideas about my issue, described in the thread > below? If not, i'll submit a bug. > > Thanks, > Fred > > > > On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Fred Stutzman wrote: > > > Thanks for the advice - unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the > > solution. > > > > I played around with one of my own lists, and was able to replicate the > > behavior. You can check that out at: > > > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/somewhat > > > > This list had no html in the info section until I added it this afternoon. > > > > Thanks! > > Fred > > > > > > On 28 Jan 2004, Jon Carnes wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 17:55, Fred Stutzman wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > We recently upgraded to Mailman 2.1.4, and we're encountering an issue > > > > that I can't seem to track down. > > > > > > > > Our user had previously configured their "info" option to include html > > > > information. Until the upgrade, this has always displayed on the list > > > > front page as html. The html is now being displayed as text. You can see > > > > an example of this by visiting: > > > > > > > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/pbs > > > > > > > > For example : Pacific Bulb Society Mailing List > > > > > > > > I've spent a few hours attempting to track this issue down, but I'm > > > > running out of options. I've messed with the > > > > DEFAULT_CONVERT_HTML_TO_PLAINTEXT options, and re-entered the "info" > > > > information with pure, compliant HTML. I didn't see anything in the NEWS > > > > file that would explain why this is happening. > > > > > > > > Any ideas? Thanks, Fred > > > > > > > Login to the Web Admin for that list and then click on: > > > Edit the public HTML pages > > > > > > Then click on: > > > General list information page > > > > > > Looks like the upgrade might have thrown in a
block around > > > the added text it found there. You should be able to edit it back into > > > the HTML shape it was in. > > > > > > If not, post the source you get for the listinfo page and I'll be happy > > > to take a look at it. > > > > > > Jon Carnes (local Trilugger) > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: fred at metalab.unc.edu > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/fred%40metalab.unc.edu > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 31 00:02:25 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Jan 2004 18:02:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] x.509 cert authentication for web interface? In-Reply-To: <20040130211151.GM8928@locutus.csail.mit.edu> References: <20040130190351.GG8928@locutus.csail.mit.edu> <1075494323.3139.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20040130211151.GM8928@locutus.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1075503744.3139.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> You'll need to dive into the code for that. Mailman is totally and blissfully unaware of such authentications. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 16:11, Noah Meyerhans wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 03:25:24PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > > > > Just move the script alias inside the ssl part of your httpd.conf. > > > > I've already got the script alias in the SSL section of Apache's config. > That works fine, but it's most definitely not authenticating based on > the x509 certificate presented by the browser. It it supposed to? I > haven't seen any indication in the documentation that leads me to > believe it is. Please point me to whatever docs I'm missing if I am > missing something. Or tell me where in mailman's source code I can find > that functionality. > > In case I was not clear in my intentions: If the browser presents an > x509 certificate that is properly signed by my Certificate Authority, > and the email address associated with the certificate is listed in the > admin or moderator fields in Mailman, then the user should be considered > authenticated. At no point should they be prompted for a password. > > noah From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 31 00:06:13 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 30 Jan 2004 18:06:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman In-Reply-To: <000501c3e782$e64e9420$570bee84@FDUJACK> References: <000501c3e782$e64e9420$570bee84@FDUJACK> Message-ID: <1075503973.3139.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 17:46, jsingh wrote: > Hi guys > > I want to use mailman without actually using the web interface. Are there > any known issues with that or you suggest that I have apache installed in > any case? > > Thanks > > > > Os solaris 9 > > MTA Sendmail > The main advantage of Mailman is its web-based interface for dealing with setup, administration, and moderation. There are some things you will NOT be able to do (easily) without at least administrative (local) html access to the Mailman lists. If it's important that you don't have html access at all then consider using Majordomo. Jon Carnes From AfriArc at aol.com Sat Jan 31 11:32:23 2004 From: AfriArc at aol.com (AfriArc at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 05:32:23 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative requests for all lists Message-ID: <162.2b14d797.2d4cde37@aol.com> In a message dated 1/26/04 9:43:51 AM, moritzengel at web.de writes: > like many people, I maintain a number of mailman lists. It would be so > nice if it would be possible to have a page where all administrative > pending requests form all lists are mentioned. Especially that I have to > log in to every list with administrative privileges separately is very > time vasting. > > If there is a feature implemented or you have got an idea, please mail > back. > > Thanks, > Moritz > That is a super great idea. From AfriArc at aol.com Sat Jan 31 11:42:26 2004 From: AfriArc at aol.com (AfriArc at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 05:42:26 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] When to use umbrella? Message-ID: <166.2b0eebb6.2d4ce092@aol.com> I am wanting to establish mailing list for each State in the US. Is the umbrella a way to do that? Thanx so much. From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Sat Jan 31 11:38:39 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:38:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Setting question References: <20040128193311.24962.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kory Wheatley schrieb: > In Mailman 2.1.4, what option do I change to allow > members and non-members to post to the list without > moderator approval. I want every message sent directly > to the list. For members: - check that "emergency" moderation is off (General Options) - check that your members do *not* have their moderation bit set (Membership List) For non-members: - On Privacy Options / Sender Filters, set "generic_nonmember_action" to accept HTH, -thh From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Sat Jan 31 11:42:10 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:42:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman References: <000501c3e782$e64e9420$570bee84@FDUJACK> <1075503973.3139.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Jon Carnes schrieb: > If it's important that you don't have html access at all then consider > using Majordomo. Or ecartis, perhaps. -thh From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Sat Jan 31 11:29:23 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:29:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman, bounce detection not working? References: <200401272247.52326.brt@fdread.org> Message-ID: Robert Breithuber schrieb: > i have lots of entries in ..mailman/logs/smtp-failure like this: > > Jan 27 22:26:39 2004 (29932) delivery to public at sushu.net failed with code > 450: : Recipient address rejected: Domain not found Makes sense: | [thomas at xerxes thomas]$ host sushu.net | Host sushu.net not found: 2(SERVFAIL) | [thomas at xerxes thomas]$ host -t mx sushu.net | Host sushu.net not found: 2(SERVFAIL) Seems the DNS-service for sushu.net is down and does not reply to queries. > since weeks now every 15min (!) Yes. "450" is a *temporary* failure, so Mailman or your MTA will try again to deliver the mail. It will do it every x minutes or hours (as it was configured), and it will try it x days long (as it was configured) before bouncing the mail as undeliverable. > any ideas what may go wrong? is this not a case for bounce processing? No, not yet. If a mail can temporarily not be delivered, delivery is tried again and again (normally the retry time is becoming longer after each failure) until a time limit of about four days is reached. The mail is finally bounced then. Perhaps sushu.net will be able to fix it DNS before the timeout - then all mail will be delivered there, and the owner will be quite thankful that his mail is not lost and bounced. -thh From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Sat Jan 31 11:34:45 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:34:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating mailing lists References: <001f01c3e5cc$ec5e54c0$1164a8c0@allsouls> Message-ID: "Aanda Faith" schrieb: > My name is Amanda Faith and I work for a church that is interested > in setting up email lists for different groups in the church. We > were wondering about your services and how exactly we'd set up the > lists. You'll need a host running Mailman to set up the lists; your own host or some company offering list-hosting. How to do it is described in documentation and FAQs; you will want to have a look at for a link to a list of hosting companies, and at the FAQ and the very helpful documentation at for creating and managing your lists. > Also, I would like to know if there is a limit to the number > of lists we would be able to set up. There is no limit other than the limit of the server and the connection; i.e. if you want to send more mail than your computer or your connection can handle. -thh From bob at rchaput.com Sat Jan 31 15:04:33 2004 From: bob at rchaput.com (Bob Chaput) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 07:04:33 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Message-ID: <6569A704-53F6-11D8-8956-000A95A0524A@rchaput.com> I am trying to set up an announcement list for a local non-profit film festival. The list may contain subscribers from all over the planet requesting information, etc. Additionally, there will be the local citizens who need to get general information as well as announcements of up coming events. And finally, there will be management, staff and volunteers. I would like to be able to 'filter' mailings. For instance, when we have a local screening, I only want to send the announcement to local people. Is there a facility in Mailman to create sub-lists or filter on a master list? I could set up multiple lists but then I would have to synchronize them in that it is possible that a subscriber could be in multiple categories. Thank you in advance for any help you may give me. Regards, Bob Bob at RChaput.com From jp at warpix.org Sat Jan 31 20:45:19 2004 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:45:19 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading Mailman Message-ID: <20040131194519.M81@warpix.org> I installed Mailman v2.1.1 some time ago, and would like to upgrade to a later version. How do I go about it? Do I just install a new version over the top of the old one? -- John From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Sat Jan 31 21:08:22 2004 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:08:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading Mailman In-Reply-To: <20040131194519.M81@warpix.org> References: <20040131194519.M81@warpix.org> Message-ID: <20040131200822.GE32327@charite.de> * John Poltorak : > > I installed Mailman v2.1.1 some time ago, and would like to upgrade to a > later version. How do I go about it? Do I just install a new version over > the top of the old one? Yes. Lists etc. will be automaticvally migrated. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - AIM. ralfpostfix From doug at hyperpiper.com Sat Jan 31 21:04:45 2004 From: doug at hyperpiper.com (doug at hyperpiper.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:04:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Period Mailings; Like Birthday Announcements using Mailmail Message-ID: <00a101c3e835$78dee490$0500a8c0@dellp450> Hello everybody, Okay I?m a newbie so please be gentle. I?ve been using Yahoo Groups, but have tired of the all the ads. So, I?ve setup a mail list using MailMan. However I really miss the ability to have monthly and yearly e-mails automatically sent. Is there anyway to automatically send e-mails to the list on specific dates in the future? Doug Piper Woven Electronics P.O. Box 189 Mauldin, SC 29662 PH 864-967-1751 FAX: 800-514-0188 http://www.wovenelectronics.com/ doug.piper at wovenelectronics.com From jp at warpix.org Sat Jan 31 22:03:58 2004 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:03:58 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting lockfiles Message-ID: <20040131210358.S81@warpix.org> Is it safe to delete lockfiles which have been hanging around for a long time? There is one called master-qrunner from a many months ago. -- John From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 31 22:17:48 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 31 Jan 2004 16:17:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting lockfiles In-Reply-To: <20040131210358.S81@warpix.org> References: <20040131210358.S81@warpix.org> Message-ID: <1075583868.4288.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-01-31 at 16:03, John Poltorak wrote: > Is it safe to delete lockfiles which have been hanging around for a long > time? > > There is one called master-qrunner from a many months ago. You can check on the process to see if it is actually still running. The process ID is a part of the file lock name. ps aux |more If the process is no longer running then feel free to nuke the file. I'm betting that you can nuke that baby! Jon Carnes From jp at warpix.org Sat Jan 31 22:32:13 2004 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:32:13 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles Message-ID: <20040131213213.U81@warpix.org> Where can I find an explanation of how qfiles are supposed to work? I'm struggling to make any sense of them. Is there some way to run a qrunner daemon so that it processes all qfiles as and when they occur? -- John From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 31 23:59:34 2004 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: 31 Jan 2004 17:59:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles In-Reply-To: <20040131213213.U81@warpix.org> References: <20040131213213.U81@warpix.org> Message-ID: <1075589974.4288.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-01-31 at 16:32, John Poltorak wrote: > Where can I find an explanation of how qfiles are supposed to work? > > I'm struggling to make any sense of them. > > Is there some way to run a qrunner daemon so that it processes all qfiles > as and when they occur? > Well, the qrunner *does* process the files/emails as they come in. But it is a queue... that means that files queue up and wait to be processed (while others are being processed ahead of them). The qrunner does not sit inactive while there are files to process. On a busy list you can't process each email or command immediately - unless you've got processing power to burn. The mailman-developers list has some nice emails that document the qrunners and their various tasks. Also the source code is well documented. Jon Carnes From mkolotila at necc.mass.edu Fri Jan 30 21:30:41 2004 From: mkolotila at necc.mass.edu (Michael P. Kolotila, Ph.D.) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:30:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.3.htm Message-ID: <002601c3e76f$ee17d030$116510ac@MKOLOTILA> Hi; I have received this page of error messages. Other notable item is /usr/local is full. I don't know what I can safely delete or dev/null. Please advise. TIA Michael Michael P. Kolotila Programmer/System Analyst ACIS Northern Essex Community College Haverhill, MA 01830 e-mail mkolotila at necc.mass.edu phone 978-556-3747 fax 978-556-3155 From rizky.fithrianda at pacomnet.com Sat Jan 31 15:18:40 2004 From: rizky.fithrianda at pacomnet.com (Rizky Fithrianda) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:18:40 +0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installing mailman using qmail Message-ID: <010501c3e805$205bbf30$9e09080a@rizky> Dear admin, I will implement mailman in my company, but i don't have experience using mailman before. Where can I find a documentation of mailman instalation ? may be a step by step to configure mailman in qmail environment. Pls your clue..thank's rgds; --rhiez From doug.piper at wovenelectronics.com Sat Jan 31 20:56:10 2004 From: doug.piper at wovenelectronics.com (Doug Piper) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:56:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Period Mailings; Like Birthday Announcements using Mailmail Message-ID: <009c01c3e834$46625a20$0500a8c0@dellp450> Hello everybody, Okay I?m a newbie so please be gentle. I?ve been using Yahoo Groups, but have tired of the all the ads. So, I?ve setup a mail list using MailMan. However I really miss the ability to have monthly and yearly e-mails automatically sent. Is there anyway to automatically send e-mails to the list on specific dates in the future? Doug Piper Woven Electronics P.O. Box 189 Mauldin, SC 29662 PH 864-967-1751 FAX: 800-514-0188 http://www.wovenelectronics.com/ doug.piper at wovenelectronics.com From sectorglobal at hotmail.com Sat Jan 31 15:22:50 2004 From: sectorglobal at hotmail.com (finlandiaglobal) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:22:50 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin question Message-ID: hi, how can i change the footer on a mailman page? i'm trying to edit the way pages look to public THANX healthemail-owner at health.helsinkibyriko.com