).*(<\/TITLE>)/$1$title$2/si; } $$contref =~ s/(<\/TITLE>).*(<\/HEAD>)/$1$2/si; $$contref =~ s/<H1>.*//si; # Strip off end-matter $$contref =~ s/.*//s; # Move pipermail fields to the filter fields my($fld_name, $fld_value); while (($fld_name, $fld_value) = each %$pipermail_fields) { $fields->{$fld_name} = $fld_value; } # Return extract MHonArc fields #$pipermail_fields; } sub load_pipermail_fields { my $fields = shift; my $weighted_str = shift; my $pipermail_head = shift; if ($pipermail_head =~ m{<h1>(.*?)</h1>\s*<b>(.*?)\s*</b>\s*<a href=.*?>(.*?)\s*</a>\s*<br>\s*<i>(.*?)</i>}is) { if ($1) { my $subject = uncommentize($1); 1 while ($subject =~ s/\A\s*(re|sv|fwd|fw)[\[\]\d]*[:>-]+\s*//i); $subject =~ s/\A\s*\[[^\]]+\]\s*//; $fields->{'title'} = $subject; } if ($2) { my $from; if ($3) { $from = uncommentize("$2 ($3)"); } else { $from = uncommentize($2); } $fields->{'from'} = $from; } if ($4) { $fields->{'date'} = uncommentize($4); } } } sub uncommentize { my($txt) = $_[0]; $txt =~ s/&#(\d+);/pack("C",$1)/ge; $txt; } 1; From pvmailman at nekophile.com Sat Jul 17 00:23:32 2004 From: pvmailman at nekophile.com (pvmailman at nekophile.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman / Gentoo = user unknown in local recipient table Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0407161518310.18795@localhost> Postfix works. I've added the aliases entry. I can create lists fine. The aliases go into the local alias file for MM: /usr/local/mailman/data root at twiggy $ ls -la total 68 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jul 16 15:15 . drwxrwsr-x 20 mailman mailman 4096 Jul 14 22:28 .. -rw-r----- 1 mailman mailman 41 Jul 16 12:56 adm.pw -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 9185 Jul 16 14:58 aliases -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 24576 Jul 16 14:33 aliases.db -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 10 Jul 14 22:28 last_mailman_version -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 14110 Jul 14 23:07 sitelist.cfg However, when I attempt to mail one of the lists, I get: [Mail not sent: <list.cal at nekophile.com>: User unknown in local recipient table If it helps, when I enter the relevant list data into the /etc/mail/aliases file, I get <mylist at nekophile.com>: Command died with status 2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post list.cal". Command output: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "nobody". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailman", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nobody'. I've done the manual config fine before, but this is a Gentoo ebuild and I'd like to be able to keep up to date easier with 'emerge.' Any thoughts? From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sat Jul 17 00:21:52 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 00:21:52 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding Namazu search to Mailman archives In-Reply-To: <auto-000002485506@liant.com> References: <auto-000002485506@liant.com> Message-ID: <p060020bcbd1e0562f78d@[10.0.1.3]> At 3:48 PM -0500 2004-07-16, Tom Morrison wrote: > I had a lot of problems with the existing pipermail.pl filter, so I took the > mhonarc.pl filter, which seemed to be similar, and created what is, in my > opinion at least, a better pipermail.pl to be found below. (Watch out for > wrapped regular expressions...) Can you post this as a patch to the Mailman SourceForge area? -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From prieheck at iwu.edu Sat Jul 17 02:14:47 2004 From: prieheck at iwu.edu (Pat Riehecky) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:14:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0407161909020.6141@sun.iwu.edu> I was wondering if anyone knew a way to send an invitation email to an address using only an email program? I would like to be able to send an email to one of the program's addresses so that it invites a user to join the list. I was thinking that there should be a way to email list-request at list.com with the list password and some how tell it to invite email at address.com Does anyone have a pure email way to do that? Or is the web interface required for that? pat ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The lines which your eye falls on first here were written last. Their purpose is to make yet another attempt to force into the form of a letter the detailed investigation which is sent to you herewith. These lines correspond, then, with the last lines and together they form an envelope, thus indicating in an external way what interal proofs in many ways will convince you of, that this is a letter you are reading. ~Kierkegaard From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sat Jul 17 02:24:49 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 02:24:49 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0407161909020.6141@sun.iwu.edu> References: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0407161909020.6141@sun.iwu.edu> Message-ID: <p060020c3bd1e2238b996@[10.0.1.3]> At 7:14 PM -0500 2004-07-16, Pat Riehecky wrote: > I was wondering if anyone knew a way to send an invitation email to an > address using only an email program? I would like to be able to send an > email to one of the program's addresses so that it invites a user to join > the list. I was thinking that there should be a way to email > list-request at list.com with the list password and some how tell it to > invite email at address.com See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.004.htp>. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From prieheck at iwu.edu Sat Jul 17 02:36:33 2004 From: prieheck at iwu.edu (Pat Riehecky) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:36:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <p060020c3bd1e2238b996@[10.0.1.3]> References: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0407161909020.6141@sun.iwu.edu> <p060020c3bd1e2238b996@[10.0.1.3]> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0407161928540.7218@sun.iwu.edu> I am not exactly sure how this faq applies, I should have been clearer in my request.... I can email the list easily enough, what I am looking for is a way to modify subscriptions to the list (either add or remove users) from an email only interface. For example, listproc has a command you can email it to allow a user to be subscribed, and another command to unsubscribe users as the list admin, not just as the user who wants on/off. I believe majordomo has one as well (I haven't ever used it, but since it is email/commandline only it probably should). I would like to be able to make many subscription changes via the email interface as the list admin. I was not clear enough in my previous email, I should have thought through it more before sending it. I hope this is clearer. pat ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The lines which your eye falls on first here were written last. Their purpose is to make yet another attempt to force into the form of a letter the detailed investigation which is sent to you herewith. These lines correspond, then, with the last lines and together they form an envelope, thus indicating in an external way what interal proofs in many ways will convince you of, that this is a letter you are reading. ~Kierkegaard On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 7:14 PM -0500 2004-07-16, Pat Riehecky wrote: > > > I was wondering if anyone knew a way to send an invitation email to an > > address using only an email program? I would like to be able to send an > > email to one of the program's addresses so that it invites a user to join > > the list. I was thinking that there should be a way to email > > list-request at list.com with the list password and some how tell it to > > invite email at address.com > > See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.004.htp>. > > From socrates at dzinedbymills.com Sat Jul 17 03:22:59 2004 From: socrates at dzinedbymills.com (R. Anthony Mills) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:22:59 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.56.0407161928540.7218@sun.iwu.edu> Message-ID: <001001c46b9c$9a289e80$6401a8c0@TOSHIBA2400> The way I've done it is to have the person send an email to: LISTNAME-request at DOMAIN.COM Place subscribe in the subject line. If the admin is doing the subscribing or unsubscribing, the "Mailman list manager" help commands allow you to get information about and control your subscription to Mailman lists at this site. A command can be in the subject line or in the body of the message. About the descriptions - words in "<>"s signify REQUIRED items and words in "[]" denote OPTIONAL items. Do not include the "<>"s or "[]"s when you use the commands. subscribe [password] [digest|nodigest] [address=<address>] Subscribe to this mailing list. Your password must be given to unsubscribe or change your options, but if you omit the password, one will be generated for you. You may be periodically reminded of your password. The next argument may be either: `nodigest' or `digest' (no quotes!). If you wish to subscribe an address other than the address you sent this request from, you may specify `address=<address>' (no brackets around the email address, and no quotes!) unsubscribe [password] [address=<address>] Unsubscribe from the mailing list. If given, your password must match your current password. If omitted, a confirmation email will be sent to the unsubscribing address. If you wish to unsubscribe an address other than the address you sent this request from, you may specify `address=<address>' (no brackets around the email address, and no quotes!) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - Mills. P.O. Box 41362 | Baltimore, MD 21203-6362 tel: 443.506.3089 | fax: 781.240.0565 "Live your life so that your children can tell their children that you not only stood for something wonderful-you acted on it." -----Original Message----- From: Pat Riehecky [mailto:prieheck at iwu.edu] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 8:37 PM To: Brad Knowles Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) I am not exactly sure how this faq applies, I should have been clearer in my request.... I can email the list easily enough, what I am looking for is a way to modify subscriptions to the list (either add or remove users) from an email only interface. For example, listproc has a command you can email it to allow a user to be subscribed, and another command to unsubscribe users as the list admin, not just as the user who wants on/off. I believe majordomo has one as well (I haven't ever used it, but since it is email/commandline only it probably should). I would like to be able to make many subscription changes via the email interface as the list admin. I was not clear enough in my previous email, I should have thought through it more before sending it. I hope this is clearer. pat ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- The lines which your eye falls on first here were written last. Their purpose is to make yet another attempt to force into the form of a letter the detailed investigation which is sent to you herewith. These lines correspond, then, with the last lines and together they form an envelope, thus indicating in an external way what interal proofs in many ways will convince you of, that this is a letter you are reading. ~Kierkegaard From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Sat Jul 17 07:50:48 2004 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 01:50:48 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set up an archive of current and past city council public notices. Message-ID: <E1Bli5w-0006hG-00@nestle.csail.mit.edu> Boston city council public notices of council committees public hearings like the human rights committee are distributed by email formatted in microsoft software like .doc a. How might a listserver type archive of the notices be set up so that forwarding the notices as they are will appear in the listserver archive in readable text ?... b. Does the mailman listserver software automatically convert .doc ?... From pvmailman at nekophile.com Sat Jul 17 09:18:16 2004 From: pvmailman at nekophile.com (Phil Voris) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 00:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] please ignore help request - problem solved Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0407170017400.8657@localhost> upgrade-related permissions issues. Thanks! From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sat Jul 17 10:56:12 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 10:56:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set up an archive of current and past city council public notices. In-Reply-To: <E1Bli5w-0006hG-00@nestle.csail.mit.edu> References: <E1Bli5w-0006hG-00@nestle.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <p060020c9bd1e99acb8ee@[10.0.1.3]> At 1:50 AM -0400 2004-07-17, Don Saklad wrote: > a. How might a listserver type archive of the notices be set up so that > forwarding the notices as they are will appear in the listserver >archive in > readable text ?... They'd have to be converted from .doc to a text format that is more readable. > b. Does the mailman listserver software automatically convert .doc ?... No. Mailman uses the text-mode browser called "lynx" to make an attempt to convert HTML-formatted documents into a readable text format, if you configure it to convert HTML. It does not attempt to perform any other kind of conversion. This is something that you would need to do yourself. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Sat Jul 17 11:22:02 2004 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 05:22:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set up an archive of current and past city council public notices. In-Reply-To: <p060020c9bd1e99acb8ee@[10.0.1.3]> (message from Brad Knowles on Sat, 17 Jul 2004 10:56:12 +0200) References: <E1Bli5w-0006hG-00@nestle.csail.mit.edu> <p060020c9bd1e99acb8ee@[10.0.1.3]> Message-ID: <E1BllOM-0006kR-00@nestle.csail.mit.edu> Thank you Brad Knowles ! ...not being a programmer, how could it get set up so that anyone and everyone might read the current and archived public notices of council committees public hearings ?... Here's an example of contrary Boston city council's public records that city of boston city council offices are not willing to make available on the web with the full text of the public document nor by email formatted in plain text ASCII > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > ------_=_NextPart_000_01C46398.58386048 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C46398.58386048" > > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C46398.58386048 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Please note in addition to the Human Rights Committee notice attached, > earlier a hearing notice on Docket #0265 scheduled for Wednesday July 7 was > sent. Previously announced for 6:00pm It is know scheduled for 1:00 pm > > > REVISED COUNCIL CALENDAR ATTACHED > > > Cheryl Rankin > City Council > 617 635-3040 > > > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C46398.58386048 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> > <HTML><HEAD> > <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> > > > <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> > <BODY style="COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Bradley Hand ITC" > hb_focus_attach="true"> > <DIV><SPAN class=489560820-06072004><STRONG>Please note in addition to the > Human Rights Committee notice attached, earlier a hearing notice on Docket #0265 > scheduled for Wednesday July 7 was sent</STRONG>. <FONT > color=#ff0000 size=4><STRONG>Previously announced for 6:00pm It is know > scheduled for 1:00 pm</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> > <DIV><SPAN class=489560820-06072004><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000 > size=4></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> > <DIV><SPAN class=489560820-06072004><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000 > size=4></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> > <DIV><SPAN class=489560820-06072004><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>REVISED > COUNCIL CALENDAR ATTACHED</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Cheryl Rankin</STRONG></FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>City Council</STRONG></FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>617 635-3040</STRONG></FONT></DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <P></P></BODY></HTML> > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C46398.58386048-- > > ------_=_NextPart_000_01C46398.58386048 > Content-Type: application/msword; > name="Doc1_.doc" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="Doc1_.doc" > > 0M8R4KGxGuEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPgADAP7/CQAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACAAAAiAAAAAAAAAAA > EAAAigAAAAEAAAD+////AAAAAIYAAACHAAAA//////////////////////////////////////// > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > ... > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA > > ------_=_NextPart_000_01C46398.58386048 > Content-Type: application/msword; > name="notice1.doc" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="notice1.doc" > > 0M8R4KGxGuEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPgADAP7/CQAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACAAAAjQAAAAAAAAAA > EAAAjwAAAAEAAAD+////AAAAAIsAAACMAAAA//////////////////////////////////////// > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > ... > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA== > > ------_=_NextPart_000_01C46398.58386048 > Content-Type: application/msword; > name="070504r.doc" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="070504r.doc" > > 0M8R4KGxGuEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPgADAP7/CQAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACAAAAhQAAAAAAAAAA > EAAAhwAAAAEAAAD+////AAAAAIMAAACEAAAA//////////////////////////////////////// > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > ... > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA > > ------_=_NextPart_000_01C46398.58386048-- From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sat Jul 17 15:10:33 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:10:33 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set up an archive of current and past city council public notices. In-Reply-To: <E1BllOM-0006kR-00@nestle.csail.mit.edu> References: <E1Bli5w-0006hG-00@nestle.csail.mit.edu> <p060020c9bd1e99acb8ee@[10.0.1.3]> <E1BllOM-0006kR-00@nestle.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <p060020cfbd1ed4a28abb@[10.0.1.3]> At 5:22 AM -0400 2004-07-17, Don Saklad wrote: > Here's an example of contrary Boston city council's > public records that city of boston city council offices are > not willing to make available on the web with the full text > of the public document nor by email formatted in plain text ASCII Note that there are some freely available programs to convert Microsoft Word documents to HTML and other forms. For example, see the program "wv", <http://freshmeat.net/projects/wv/>. You could use programs like this (or StarOffice) to do the conversion and then post the resulting documents to the mailing list. It shouldn't be too hard to work up a way to automatically pull down the latest documents, convert them, and then post the conversions (or the links to the conversions) to the mailing list. However, all this would need to be done outside of Mailman. There are no facilities within the current version to execute arbitrary format conversion programs (such as wv), and I think this would represent a serious security risk if someone tried to add the feature. Supporting simple automated HTML conversion via lynx is potentially dangerous enough, I don't think anyone would want to go beyond that. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From lindsayt at armidaleit.com Sat Jul 17 15:37:24 2004 From: lindsayt at armidaleit.com (Lindsay Teychenne) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:37:24 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up list for the first time Message-ID: <a06020410bd1ed837cdd6@[203.54.159.31]> I have started setting up mailing lists provided by a VPS hosting service (using PLESK as a management tool). I have put this problem to them and have not received a particularly useful set of responses i.e after many support exchanges I still have the problem. When I configure Mailman, everything appears to be Ok and accepts changes I have made. One big problem, however, is that it doesn't work. I have been using macjordomo for some years now and I understand that the philosophy is different but I have headed down a number of dead ends (mainly to do with DNS) in trying to troubleshoot the problem. Here are the symptoms, having subscribed people using mass subscription 1 if I post a message to the list (from a members email client) ie list at domain.com, it appears to have been successful, I don't get any bad address replies. But no-one on the list receives the message. 2 There are no archives in the list info, It states that no postings have been received. 3 If someone subscribes using the listinfo page, they don't get a subscription acknowledgement and they don't appear in the list of subscribers under Membership list in Membership management at the admin pages. I am hoping this is an easily rectifiable problem. the helpdesk at the VPS hosting service have been getting me to try to resolve some DNS issues which i believe I have done and still get the same problems. I have deleted lists and started new ones - all with the same results. Hope someone can help. PS I tried to subscribe to List Owners from the Python page but the links didn't work. thanks Lindsay From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr Sat Jul 17 15:41:52 2004 From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:41:52 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error indexing message by date in archive Message-ID: <40F92CA0.4040207@ccr.jussieu.fr> The attached testcase mbox, when processed by the archive script, wrongly index the first mail to currente date (july 2004) instead of its real date (february 2002). CUriously, the second one is OK. Any idea ? I'm using backported package 2.1.2-6.99.99.jones.0 on Debian, if it matters. katu3:/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/plf-discuss.mbox# /usr/lib/mailman/bin/arch --wipe -s 0 -e 1 plf-discuss #00000 <m33d0gjb52.fsf at katu.zarb.org> figuring article archives 2004-July #00001 <20020205153102.2D3C449B at silbermann.snv.jussieu.fr> figuring article archives 2002-February Updating index files for archive [2004-July] Date Subject Author Thread Computing threaded index Updating HTML for article 0 Updating index files for archive [2002-February] Date Subject Author Thread Computing threaded index Updating HTML for article 1 Pickling archive state into /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/plf-discuss/pipermail.pck -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: testcase.mbox Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040717/e761d53d/attachment.asc From msapiro at value.net Sat Jul 17 19:09:19 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 10:09:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up list for the first time In-Reply-To: <a06020410bd1ed837cdd6@[203.54.159.31]> Message-ID: <PC17002004071710091901717c194dbe@msapiro> Lindsay Teychenne wrote: > >Here are the symptoms, having subscribed people using mass subscription > >1 if I post a message to the list (from a members email client) >ie list at domain.com, it appears to have been successful, I don't get >any bad address replies. But no-one on the list receives the message. > >2 There are no archives in the list info, It states that no >postings have been received. > >3 If someone subscribes using the listinfo page, they don't get >a subscription acknowledgement and they don't appear in the list of >subscribers under Membership list in Membership management at the >admin pages. > What's in your Mailman log files? > >PS I tried to subscribe to List Owners from the Python page but the >links didn't work. That list is currently off line. See http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-June/037775.html -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jplist at kiwigeek.com Sun Jul 18 00:36:32 2004 From: jplist at kiwigeek.com (JP Hindin) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:36:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug or unintentional feature? msg_header/footer becomes MIME part with content filtering Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0407171728540.11487-100000@rosetta.binhost.com> Greetings all; One of our customers discovered what appears to be a rather odd happening in our install of MM 2.1.4. When content filtering is turned on AND the message has had an attachment scrubbed, any msg_header and/or msg_footer's suddenly become their own MIME part. If there is no attachment, the header/footers are inserted as normal. If content filtering is turned off, header/footers are normal. When there are no header/footers, no additional MIME parts are inserted. This creates a rather screwy message for their eMail clients (headers/footers can appear as attachments), and is naturally undesirable. What's the solution, oh wise ones? (Asides from having no headers/footers) Is this fixed in 2.1.5, is it not a recognised bug? Am I missing something? Thanks for your help; JP Hindin From gehyahtahi at earthlink.net Sun Jul 18 03:08:17 2004 From: gehyahtahi at earthlink.net (Wild Horse) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:08:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Setup Message-ID: <03a301c46c63$b5f8a570$6402a8c0@main> I am in the process of setting up mailman version 2.1.5 for one of my clients. For some reason, mailman is not sending individual posts when I test the list. It is placing the test posts into the archives. Would someone please assist me in getting this working correctly? Wild Horse Wild Horse Web Design PS... This is my first attempt at getting mailman to work. From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Sun Jul 18 04:00:37 2004 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:00:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set up an archive of current and past city council public notices. In-Reply-To: <p060020cfbd1ed4a28abb@[10.0.1.3]> (message from Brad Knowles on Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:10:33 +0200) References: <E1Bli5w-0006hG-00@nestle.csail.mit.edu> <p060020c9bd1e99acb8ee@[10.0.1.3]> <E1BllOM-0006kR-00@nestle.csail.mit.edu> <p060020cfbd1ed4a28abb@[10.0.1.3]> Message-ID: <E1Bm0yj-00071q-00@nestle.csail.mit.edu> It would not be too hard for a programmer ! Where would there be anyone who might set it up ?... From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in Sun Jul 18 07:15:46 2004 From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:45:46 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Setup In-Reply-To: <03a301c46c63$b5f8a570$6402a8c0@main> References: <03a301c46c63$b5f8a570$6402a8c0@main> Message-ID: <51045.195.212.28.100.1090127746.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> Can you paste some logs for more info ? 1. What does your MTA (postfix/sendmai) logs say? 2. What does Mailman log in smtp or smtp-failure logs say? 3. You said you can see the posts in archive ... have you configured your test list to have moderation? If yes then logon to the list's website as Administrator and approve those pending messeages But if you don't get any clue .. paste the logs as per point 1 & 2 --yogesh > I am in the process of setting up mailman version 2.1.5 for one of my > clients. For some reason, mailman is not sending individual posts when I > test the list. It is placing the test posts into the archives. > > Would someone please assist me in getting this working correctly? > > Wild Horse > Wild Horse Web Design > > PS... This is my first attempt at getting mailman to work. > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > --yogesh ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From gehyahtahi at earthlink.net Sun Jul 18 07:29:29 2004 From: gehyahtahi at earthlink.net (Wild Horse) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:29:29 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Setup References: <03a301c46c63$b5f8a570$6402a8c0@main> <51045.195.212.28.100.1090127746.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> Message-ID: <057801c46c88$331bd2b0$6402a8c0@main> Sorry, I forgot to make a post... I found out what the problem was and the mailing list is fully functional now. I do have another question, is it possible to edit the email template so that the solid bars don't appear above and below the message? Wild Horse Wild Horse Web Design ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yogesh Subhash Talekar" <yogesh at unipune.ernet.in> To: <mailman-users at python.org> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Setup > > Can you paste some logs for more info ? > 1. What does your MTA (postfix/sendmai) logs say? > 2. What does Mailman log in smtp or smtp-failure logs say? > 3. You said you can see the posts in archive ... have you configured your > test list to have moderation? If yes then logon to the list's website as > Administrator and approve those pending messeages > > But if you don't get any clue .. paste the logs as per point 1 & 2 > > --yogesh > > > > I am in the process of setting up mailman version 2.1.5 for one of my > > clients. For some reason, mailman is not sending individual posts when I > > test the list. It is placing the test posts into the archives. > > > > Would someone please assist me in getting this working correctly? > > > > Wild Horse > > Wild Horse Web Design > > > > PS... This is my first attempt at getting mailman to work. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > --yogesh > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them > all and in the darkness bind them. > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From mail at storydynamics.com Sun Jul 18 08:06:13 2004 From: mail at storydynamics.com (Doug Lipman) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 02:06:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists work, but no archives Message-ID: <p06110418bd1fc089aee7@[10.0.1.2]> Hi, I'm a newbie using Mailman 2.1.5 on Linux (Redhat 9) with sendmail. I was able to install Mailman and create lists via the web. The lists work; messages sent to it go out to subscribers. The problem is that, even though I have set the "Archive" option via the web interface, none of my lists is archiving. When I go to the archive page via html, I get " No messages have been posted to this list yet, so the archives are currently empty." I thought I had perhaps made a mistake with the pipermail alias in Apache, but when I go to <http://www.storydynamics.com/pipermail/> I see what appears to be the correct list (i.e., one link for each of my mailing lists). I have searched my logs, at least the ones I could find. The only two logs in /usr/local/mailman/logs are "error" and "subscribe." Subscribe looks reasonable; error is empty. I'm not sure exactly how to read all the other logs I have found in /var/log/ and in /var/log/httpd, but no entry seems relevant on the face of it. I don't know what other logs I should be trying to read. I have also searched the archives for help at <http://www.mail-archive.com>, with no success. Does anyone have an idea what I could have done wrong? Or at least where else to look? Thanks! Doug Lipman -- *********************************************************************** Doug Lipman, P.O. Box 441195, West Somerville, MA 02144 Web page: http://storydynamics.com Free monthly email newsletter, "eTips from the Storytelling Coach." "A wonderful, chock full of provocative ideas, storytelling newsletter. I like it a lot!" - Loretta Greene (Tempe, AZ) *********************************************************************** From mail at storydynamics.com Sun Jul 18 18:04:23 2004 From: mail at storydynamics.com (Doug Lipman) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:04:23 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists work, but no archives - more info Message-ID: <p0611040ebd204fe44885@[10.0.1.2]> Additional info, which I'm sure is more to the core of my problem: I was wrong that the lists work. In fact, any message I send - from any sender, registered or not - to the myw at storydynamics.com address is sent on to the sender. When I fill out the subscription form at <http://www.storydynamics.com/mailman/listinfo/myw>, it appears that I am completing the process. But: 1. no confirmation email comes to the new member or to me as administrator. 2. the subscriber list remains empty, too. 3. no other previously "registered" subscribers get copies of the mail. I guess the archiving problem is just a symptom of whatever is causing this problem. Any ideas? Doug >Hi, I'm a newbie using Mailman 2.1.5 on Linux (Redhat 9) with >sendmail. I was able to install Mailman and create lists via the >web. The lists work; messages sent to it go out to subscribers. > >The problem is that, even though I have set the "Archive" option via >the web interface, none of my lists is archiving. When I go to the >archive page via html, I get " No messages have been posted to this >list yet, so the archives are currently empty." > >I thought I had perhaps made a mistake with the pipermail alias in >Apache, but when I go to <http://www.storydynamics.com/pipermail/> I >see what appears to be the correct list (i.e., one link for each of >my mailing lists). > >I have searched my logs, at least the ones I could find. The only >two logs in /usr/local/mailman/logs are "error" and "subscribe." >Subscribe looks reasonable; error is empty. I'm not sure exactly how >to read all the other logs I have found in /var/log/ and in >/var/log/httpd, but no entry seems relevant on the face of it. I >don't know what other logs I should be trying to read. > >I have also searched the archives for help at ><http://www.mail-archive.com>, with no success. > >Does anyone have an idea what I could have done wrong? Or at least >where else to look? > >Thanks! > >Doug Lipman >-- > >*********************************************************************** >Doug Lipman, P.O. Box 441195, West Somerville, MA 02144 Web page: >http://storydynamics.com > Free monthly email newsletter, "eTips from the Storytelling Coach." > "A wonderful, chock full of provocative ideas, storytelling >newsletter. I like it a lot!" - Loretta Greene (Tempe, AZ) >*********************************************************************** >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- *********************************************************************** Doug Lipman, P.O. Box 441195, West Somerville, MA 02144 Phone: (781) 391-3672. Fax: (781) 391-6341. Toll-free: (888) 446-4738 Story Dynamics?: workshops, performances, coaching Web page: http://storydynamics.com Free monthly email newsletter, "eTips from the Storytelling Coach." "A wonderful, chock full of provocative ideas, storytelling newsletter. I like it a lot!" - Loretta Greene (Tempe, AZ) Upcoming workshops: http://storydynamics.com/Services/upcoming.html The Soul of Hope: http://SoulOfHope.net The Hasidic Stories Home Page: http://www.HasidicStories.com *********************************************************************** -- *********************************************************************** Doug Lipman, P.O. Box 441195, West Somerville, MA 02144 Phone: (781) 391-3672. Fax: (781) 391-6341. Toll-free: (888) 446-4738 Story Dynamics?: workshops, performances, coaching Web page: http://storydynamics.com Free monthly email newsletter, "eTips from the Storytelling Coach." "A wonderful, chock full of provocative ideas, storytelling newsletter. I like it a lot!" - Loretta Greene (Tempe, AZ) Upcoming workshops: http://storydynamics.com/Services/upcoming.html The Soul of Hope: http://SoulOfHope.net The Hasidic Stories Home Page: http://www.HasidicStories.com *********************************************************************** From listen at silvio-siefke.de Sun Jul 18 20:29:10 2004 From: listen at silvio-siefke.de (Silvio Siefke) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:29:10 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Message-ID: <01b101c46cf5$281f3e20$1400a8c0@hserver.info> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello list, I has a question to Mailman. I installed Mailman 2,1,4, (Suse 9,1) and according to postfix the book furnished. But that dispatch from Mails is impossible. I already do not get the registration confirmation by Mail. < LOG ENTRY > July 18 17:47:24 h8107 postfix/smtpd[15636 ]: connect from mailgate4.cinetic.de [ 217.72.192.167 ] July 18 17:47:24 h8107 postfix/smtpd[15636 ]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mailgate4.cinetic.de [217.72.192.167 ]: 450 < allgemein-request at h8107.serverkompetenz.net >: Recipient ADDRESS rejected: User unknown in local recipient table; from=<mseke at web.de > to=<allgemein-request at h8107.serverkompetenz.net > proto=ESMTP helo=<mailgate4.cinetic.de > July 18 17:47:24 h8107 postfix/smtpd[15636 ]: disconnect from mailgate4.cinetic.de[217.72.192.167 ] </LOG ENTRY > with the dispatch to the address allgemein at h8107.serverkompetenz is present this entry: < LOG ENTRY > July 18 17:53:17 h8107 postfix/smtpd[15835 ]: connect from mailgate4.cinetic.de[217.72.192.167 ] July 18 17:53:17 h8107 postfix/smtpd[15835 ]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mailgate4.cinetic.de[217.72.192.167 ]: 450 < allgemein at h8107.serverkompetenz.net >: Recipient ADDRESS rejected: User unknown in local recipient table; from=<mseke at web.de > to=<allgemein at h8107.serverkompetenz.net > proto=ESMTP helo=<mailgate4.cinetic.de > July 18 17:53:17 h8107 postfix/smtpd[15835 ]: from mailgate4.cinetic.de[217.72.192.167 ] </LOG ENTRY > my mm_cfg.py looks disconnect in such a way: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'more hserver, biz ' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = ' listen.hserver.biz ' DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'de' MTA = ' postfix ' POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias' POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap' DELIVERY_MODULE = ' SMTPDirect' SMTP HOST = ' local host ' add_virtualhost (DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) IMAGE_LOGOS = '/mailmanicons/' I understand nothing more. Link to the program: http://listen.hserver.biz/mailman/listinfo Silvio -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) - WinPT 0.5.6 iD8DBQFA+sDfvcF+/HJrY0URAooHAKCm42DK/8HLj0xVx2qpC4grYewt/ACfX7HH 7vVvw0b1vQGhBu778uH38Ig= =qLex -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jwblist at olympus.net Sun Jul 18 23:58:22 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:58:22 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list thinks everyone is non-member In-Reply-To: <35de0c3004071508164c11b390@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <BD20408E.13F22%jwblist@olympus.net> On 7/15/2004 8:16, "Bryan Fullerton" <fehwalker at gmail.com> wrote: > You might also want to consider upgrading to 2.1.5, there have been > many bugs fixed in the past 16 months. I've found Mailman upgrades > within major revisions to be painless (but make sure you have backups > anyways :). Upgrading to 2.1.5 is only painless if the MTA deals properly with the addressing of the new probe messages which are part of the bounce handling. One needs to have access to the MTA configuration to safely update to 2.1.5, or know that it does the right thing. New bounce handling: <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.012.htp> Which refers to VERP: <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.002.htp> --John From Mailman0 at MD-Arts.net Mon Jul 19 16:17:09 2004 From: Mailman0 at MD-Arts.net (Richard) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:17:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] inserting comments into list of banned members In-Reply-To: <20040719100039.A4B011E4008@bag.python.org> References: <20040719100039.A4B011E4008@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <1090246629.3145.200636455@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi Folks - I want to create lists of accepted non- members, rejected nonmembers, etc. Can comments be inserted be or below the list? Something like: ceo at spamstersinternational.com ### ceo is spam - 2004. Show us what that might look like? Thanks, Richard From fedora at montana.com Mon Jul 19 18:49:45 2004 From: fedora at montana.com (Nathan) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:49:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderation request emails on non-existant requests Message-ID: <1090255784.25909.28.camel@marduk.mso.montana.com> I've been running mailman for over six months now without any major problems. It's been great until I recently ran into a minor annoyance.I am wondering if anyone has experienced this issue, knows why it happens, or can help me fix it. Recently, after upgrading from mailman-2.1.3 to mailman-2.1.5 via rpm on Fedora Core 1, I began to notice moderation request emails being sent at 8:00am on varying days for each list. After receiving these emails, I check the "Tend to pending moderator requests" area of the web interface, however there are no pending requests there. These are always sent at 8:00am (or within a few minutes after). Has anyone else seen this type of activity? I apologize if I'm being too general; I really don't know what other information would be useful. thanks! -- Nathan <fedora at montana.com> From support at his.com Mon Jul 19 22:38:43 2004 From: support at his.com (Fran - HIS Support) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:38:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman NOT TO handle bounces?? Message-ID: <40FC3153.10302@his.com> Hi guys, I have a list owner I just migrated from Majordomo, who'd like go get the bounces to his email address instead of letting Malman handle the bounces. I checked, I could not find any obvious solutions in the list bounce handling. Even redirecting the list-bounce mail alias would not do it I suppose. Is there a way to configure Mailman do do that? Thanks for any help. -- Fran/ HIS support support at his.com Questions? check our FAQs"http://faq.his.com From fran at his.com Mon Jul 19 22:42:39 2004 From: fran at his.com (HIS - Fran) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:42:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman not to handle bounces? Message-ID: <40FC323F.3020300@his.com> Hi guys, I have a list owner I just moved from Majordomo, who would like for the bounces to come directly to her email address instead of being handled by Mailman. I checked but did not see any way to do that in the web interface. Is there a way to do this? /Fran From brad.knowles at skynet.be Mon Jul 19 22:46:45 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:46:45 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman NOT TO handle bounces?? In-Reply-To: <40FC3153.10302@his.com> References: <40FC3153.10302@his.com> Message-ID: <p0600200abd21e34a681e@[10.0.1.3]> At 4:38 PM -0400 2004-07-19, Fran - HIS Support wrote: > I have a list owner I just migrated from Majordomo, Congratulations! > who'd like > go get the bounces to his email address instead of letting Malman > handle the bounces. Mailman isn't designed to do this. > I checked, I could not find any obvious solutions in the list >bounce handling. > Even redirecting the list-bounce mail alias would not do it I suppose. > > Is there a way to configure Mailman do do that? You could change the aliases so that listname-bounces is aliased to him, and then he'd get all bounces. But I don't think there's any way to configure Mailman per se to do this. Please let me know if you have any further questions. I can't promise that I'll be able to help, but I'll certainly be glad to try. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From jra at febo.com Mon Jul 19 22:47:29 2004 From: jra at febo.com (John R. Ackermann N8UR) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:47:29 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and X- headers Message-ID: <40FC3361.2050600@febo.com> I'm trying to verify whether our Mailman 2.1.4/Exim 4/SpamAssassin system is working properly -- in particular, whether messages for the list are being scanned by SpamAssassin. In theory, Exim is routing to the SpamAssassin router before the Mailman router. Non-list mail through the system is being scanned, and has the appropriate X-Spam* headers. And a list message sent to a local user on the system has the X-Spam* headers appended. So the SpamAssassin system, in general, is working However, mail sent from Mailman to external recipients does not include the SpamAssassin headers. And, I'm a bit suspicious because several spam messages have been caught as non-member submissions, and they (as viewed in the Mailman held-message web page) do not show any SpamAssassin headers. So, my question is: does Mailman strip X- headers from messages as it processes them? Or is it instead likely that I have something wrong in the order of my Exim routers such that messages bound for Mailman don't pass through the SpamAssassin router? Thanks, John Ackermann jra at febo.com From jwblist at olympus.net Mon Jul 19 23:54:48 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:54:48 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and X- headers In-Reply-To: <40FC3361.2050600@febo.com> Message-ID: <BD219138.14056%jwblist@olympus.net> On 7/19/2004 13:47, "John R. Ackermann N8UR" <jra at febo.com> wrote: > So, my question is: does Mailman strip X- headers from messages as it > processes them? Or is it instead likely that I have something wrong in > the order of my Exim routers such that messages bound for Mailman don't > pass through the SpamAssassin router? I suspect it's the order of your Exim routers. But that is without proof. This header (after this paragraph) isn't one of ours...and was found in your message. Either it was added as the message came through the Mailman-Users list or it survived intact...does it look like what your system would produce? I think it came from your system and survived Mailman-Users, as another message in the list does not have this header. X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Hope this helps. --John From m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com Tue Jul 20 11:32:03 2004 From: m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com (m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 9:32:03 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] personalised emails Message-ID: <20040720093327.WPAE9394.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@[10.137.100.65]> Hello All, I am new to mailman and mailing list software. I am trying to setup a mailing list for a charity which would like to send periodic emails to the patrons. They would like to send emails but dont want the users to email each other so I am thinking of setting up a readonly list. I am not sure if mailman is able to send personalised email. I did search on this and it looks like the definition of personalised email is different to the definition I use! When I mean personalised email I mean the content should be able to address the recipient using their own name used in the subscriber list. From what I gathered others mean personalised email as the recipient field showing the users email address and not the list email address? I dont want to send generic emails. Is this doable? Instructions would be nice but pointers at docs are very welcome. I would prefer a polite answer and not "RTFM" Many thanks in advance Mat ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ From iane at sussex.ac.uk Tue Jul 20 12:21:36 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:21:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] personalised emails In-Reply-To: <20040720093327.WPAE9394.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@[10.137.100.65]> References: <20040720093327.WPAE9394.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@[10.137.100.65]> Message-ID: <9D08307029B7527C23C01261@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> --On Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:32 am +0000 m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com wrote: > Hello All, > > I am new to mailman and mailing list software. I am trying to setup a > mailing list for a charity which would like to send periodic emails to > the patrons. They would like to send emails but dont want the users to > email each other so I am thinking of setting up a readonly list. I am not > sure if mailman is able to send personalised email. I did search on this > and it looks like the definition of personalised email is different to > the definition I use! > > When I mean personalised email I mean the content should be able to > address the recipient using their own name used in the subscriber list. > From what I gathered others mean personalised email as the recipient > field showing the users email address and not the list email address? > > I dont want to send generic emails. Is this doable? Instructions would be > nice but pointers at docs are very welcome. I would prefer a polite > answer and not "RTFM" It is doable, but not with mailman, afaik. What you need is not list software, but mailmerge software. I don't know about other platforms, but if you have MacOSX there's a list of mailmerge software here. Much of it shareware, none of it free: <http://www.versiontracker.com/php/search.php?mode=basic&action=search&str=mail+merge&plt%5B%5D=macosx&x=13&y=8> > Many thanks in advance > > Mat > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From E.J.Mytton at uel.ac.uk Tue Jul 20 12:37:35 2004 From: E.J.Mytton at uel.ac.uk (Jill Mytton) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:37:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Host server needed Message-ID: <562268610FA70940B04B0F55FBF73EED25694B@WH-MAIL.uel.ac.uk> Dear All I am currently at the University of East London and the IT department there using mailman to run various email groups including one for me which functions as a support group for former members of a cult. However I am changing jobs at the beginning of October so I need to find a new host. I would prefer not to use the university I am moving to (in any case I dont know yet whether they use mailman) so I am looking for someone to host this for me. If you think you can help (and i am aware that cost will be involved) could you please contact me to discuss this. Many thanks Jill From djpowell at networkgeek.org Tue Jul 20 14:04:24 2004 From: djpowell at networkgeek.org (Daniel Powell) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:04:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman -1 requests still In-Reply-To: <p060020c9bd1e99acb8ee@[10.0.1.3]> References: <E1Bli5w-0006hG-00@nestle.csail.mit.edu> <p060020c9bd1e99acb8ee@[10.0.1.3]> Message-ID: <40FD0A48.3050805@networkgeek.org> I tried copying the pck files and managed to just fubar up the config for the mailman list where it thought it was the same as the other list that I copied from. i did an rmlist -a mailman stopped the mailman services newlist mailman start mailman services at 8 AM this morning. I got the message still The Mailman at paleale.networkgeek.org mailing list has -1 request(s) waiting for your consideration at: http://paleale.networkgeek.org/mailman/admindb/mailman Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of wtf Its a special list so I cant go check on it, I can't configure it at all. This is driving me BATTY. --Daniel Powell pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 20 14:27:53 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:27:53 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] personalised emails In-Reply-To: <20040720093327.WPAE9394.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@[10.137.100.65]> References: <20040720093327.WPAE9394.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@[10.137.100.65]> Message-ID: <p06002017bd22bfa0c311@[10.0.1.3]> At 9:32 AM +0000 2004-07-20, <m.weerasinghe at ntlworld.com> wrote: > I dont want to send generic emails. Is this doable? Instructions would > be nice but pointers at docs are very welcome. I would prefer a polite > answer and not "RTFM" The short answer is that a certain amount of customization is possible, but there are limits to what Mailman can do. The long answer is basically RTFM. As starting points, see <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.018.htp> and <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.037.htp>. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 20 14:29:05 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:29:05 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Host server needed In-Reply-To: <562268610FA70940B04B0F55FBF73EED25694B@WH-MAIL.uel.ac.uk> References: <562268610FA70940B04B0F55FBF73EED25694B@WH-MAIL.uel.ac.uk> Message-ID: <p06002018bd22c07cf6af@[10.0.1.3]> At 11:37 AM +0100 2004-07-20, Jill Mytton wrote: > However I am changing jobs at the beginning of October so I need to find a > new host. I would prefer not to use the university I am moving to (in any > case I dont know yet whether they use mailman) so I am looking for someone to > host this for me. See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.017.htp>. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From rxweb+ at pitt.edu Tue Jul 20 14:33:49 2004 From: rxweb+ at pitt.edu (Thomas Waters) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:33:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not going through to all lists Message-ID: <0D5B010D-DA49-11D8-99F3-003065AC252E@pitt.edu> There was a power outage and now Mailman isn't working., The web admin pages function, but mail is not going through. From the FAQ, I think it is a stale lock. I've found two locks: -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 67 20 Jul 19:51 master-qrunner -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 67 20 Jul 19:51 master-qrunner.www.pharmacy.pitt.edu.453 Do I simply remove one or both of these? Thx, From dave at umiacs.umd.edu Tue Jul 20 15:29:12 2004 From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] convert config.db to pck? Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0407200920270.23777@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu> I want to move lists from one machine (mailman 2.0.x) to a newer 2.1.x installation. Assuming I - tailor new host http.conf as needed - set mmsitepass on new - modify mm_cfg.py, - use web redirects from the old to the new - redirect aliases on old to new - scp $MAILMAN/archive/private/<LISTNAME{.mbox> to new host - genalias on new host - run $MAILMAN//bin/update -f on new host I still need to copy over and convert $MAILMAN/lists/<LISTNAME>* right? I presume the big deal is {config|request}.db. I can use dumpdb to get that to ascii, how do I load it into the new as config.pck? TIA =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David Stern University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies From rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr Tue Jul 20 15:41:10 2004 From: rousse at ccr.jussieu.fr (Guillaume Rousse) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:41:10 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error indexing message by date in archive In-Reply-To: <40F92CA0.4040207@ccr.jussieu.fr> References: <40F92CA0.4040207@ccr.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: <40FD20F6.1040604@ccr.jussieu.fr> Guillaume Rousse wrote: > The attached testcase mbox, when processed by the archive script, > wrongly index the first mail to currente date (july 2004) instead of its > real date (february 2002). CUriously, the second one is OK. Any idea ? > I finally found what the problem is. The archiver is unable to parse correctly the first date format: Date: 05 Feb 2002 14:44:57 +0100 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:31:01 +0100 As the RFC specify the day is optional, I tend to consider this as a bug in Mailman. Shall I report this problem on mailman bug tracker ? From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Tue Jul 20 15:42:58 2004 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:42:58 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Free listservers. Archives. Attachments. Microsoft software. Message-ID: <E1BmutW-000865-00@nestle.csail.mit.edu> What free listservers are there with archives that will display the text of messages with attachments formatted in microsoft software like .doc ?... From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Tue Jul 20 15:46:20 2004 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:46:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Free web based discussions. Archives. Attachments. Microsoft software. Message-ID: <E1Bmuwm-00086L-00@nestle.csail.mit.edu> What free web based discussions are there with archives that will display the text of messages with attachments formatted in microsoft software like .doc ? From grampyslolo at telus.net Sat Jul 17 20:42:13 2004 From: grampyslolo at telus.net (lori petersen) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:42:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question regarding newsletter mailout Message-ID: <00d801c46c2d$c716b9e0$1e1a74ce@bc.hsia.telus.net> Hello, I have no idea if I am contacting someone who may be able to assist me. For the past couple of months we have had some weird things happen when we send out our newsletter. One member got 4 copies, another didn't get his at all and last month, we had about 20 people who didn't get it either. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. Thank you, Lori From jeonsum at stthomas.edu Mon Jul 19 23:46:40 2004 From: jeonsum at stthomas.edu (Jen Onsum) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:46:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman questions Message-ID: <011f01c46dd9$e024dea0$91022942@JEO> I have three questions about Mailman... 1) Is there a way to list the entire membership list on one page, instead of having a different page for each letter of the alphabet? 2) When mass subscribing people, everyone is automatically set to receive plain mailings. Is there a way for people not to be automatically set to receive plain mailings when mass subscribing? It's getting really annoying going through and unchecking 'plain' for thousands of subscribers. 3) Mailman is adding a footer to my mailings when it sends them out. How can I stop it from doing this? From doug at storydynamics.com Tue Jul 20 05:14:33 2004 From: doug at storydynamics.com (Doug Lipman) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:14:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists work... updated question Message-ID: <p06110430bd223db89f2d@[10.0.1.2]> Dan Phillips was kind enough to answer my first question off-line. His advice got me much farther along in installing mailman My problem continues, though, but I can't figure out the cause. This may be related to the email aliases? I have copied this list of aliases to the /etc/aliases file for the list "myw": myw: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post myw" myw-admin: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin myw" myw-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces myw" myw-confirm: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm myw" myw-join: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join myw" myw-leave: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave myw" myw-owner: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner myw" myw-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request myw" myw-subscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe myw" myw-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe myw" I saved the file and ran "newaliases". I also have also had all along, in the storydynamics.com.virusertable, this alias at the end of the list of aliases: @storydynamics.com storydynamicscom at server.storyleader.com Could this be taking precedence somehow over the aliases in /etc/aliases ? If so, how do I change it? I looked at the mm-handler contrib, but was afraid to use it without understanding it more. At least I'm smart enough to not try everything. :-) Here are the symptoms at this point: - when I register via the browser interface for a list, I get a confirmation email. - if I confirm via the link, my user is added to the list, as shown via the browser interface - if I try to confirm via email reply to myw-reply at storydynamics.com, the email passes straight through to the storydynamicscom at server.storyleader.com address mentioned above. - mail sent to any of the above aliases also passes straight through. Am I right that the aliases are the problem? If so, any ideas how I fix this? All the best, Doug Lipman >On Jul 18, 2004, at 11:04 AM, Doug Lipman wrote: >>Additional info, which I'm sure is more to the core of my problem: >> >>I was wrong that the lists work. In fact, any message I send - from >>any sender, registered or not - to the myw at storydynamics.com >>address is sent on to the sender. When I fill out the subscription >>form at <http://www.storydynamics.com/mailman/listinfo/myw>, it >>appears that I am completing the process. But: >> 1. no confirmation email comes to the new member or to me as >>administrator. >> 2. the subscriber list remains empty, too. >> 3. no other previously "registered" subscribers get copies of the mail. >>I guess the archiving problem is just a symptom of whatever is >>causing this problem. >>Any ideas? >>Doug >> > >I don't mean to insult your intelligence, and if you've already been >through this step, please ignore, but the most common causes of this >are outlined in the FAQ at >http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.007.htp > >The MOST common cause in a new installation is that you haven't >started the mailmanctl daemon. > > >Dan -- *********************************************************************** Doug Lipman, P.O. Box 441195, West Somerville, MA 02144 Phone: (781) 391-3672. Fax: (781) 391-6341. Toll-free: (888) 446-4738 Story Dynamics?: workshops, performances, coaching Web page: http://storydynamics.com Free monthly email newsletter, "eTips from the Storytelling Coach." "A wonderful, chock full of provocative ideas, storytelling newsletter. I like it a lot!" - Loretta Greene (Tempe, AZ) Upcoming workshops: http://storydynamics.com/Services/upcoming.html The Soul of Hope: http://SoulOfHope.net The Hasidic Stories Home Page: http://www.HasidicStories.com *********************************************************************** From falconer at plateautel.net Tue Jul 20 04:24:40 2004 From: falconer at plateautel.net (Mr. Bill) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:24:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Message-ID: <009301c46e00$b6cdc310$ca1671ce@your30ykvamjle> Does mailman archive messages? If so, whre does it archive them to. Thanks. Bill From julien at montanadsl.net Mon Jul 19 23:24:32 2004 From: julien at montanadsl.net (Julie Nelson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:24:32 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040719152207.034d4950@mail.montanadsl.net> We have recently lost our webkeeper and I am trying to mail out this newsletter that we have set up through mailman. I know nothing, can you tell me what to do? Julie Julie Nelson Development Coordinator Casting Certification Coordinator Federation of Fly Fishers julien at montanadsl.net 406-585-7592 From Khebden at ist.psu.edu Thu Jul 15 14:53:37 2004 From: Khebden at ist.psu.edu (Kristal Hebden) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:53:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists Message-ID: <07D5A14CCD602A4385790A12376B5417253A2F@mail1.ist.psu.edu> Hi, I am interested in your mailing lists, but am curious how secure the lists are - are names distributed to any companies? (I am basically concerned about spam, since it is a free service) Thanks! Kristal Kristal Hebden School of IST 329H IST Building University Park PA 16802 Phone: 814-863-8833 Fax: 814-865-7559 __________________________ "I did not wish to live what was not life, living is so dear; nor did I wish to practise resignation, unless it was quite necessary. " - H.D. Thoreau From powercat at verizon.net Thu Jul 15 03:51:40 2004 From: powercat at verizon.net (C. L. Etheridge) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:51:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question Message-ID: <000801c46a0e$463b3bf0$0200a8c0@dogdaze> Hello sorry to trouble you with my question. Does Mailman address list recipients individually? I am currently doing an (opt-in!) e-mail newsletter distributed via Smartlist. Smartlist and Majordomo do not address recipients individually. In other words, an e-mail send to a list via Smartlist in the "TO" field has the name of the list NOT the e-mail address of the recipient. This results in several ISPs dumping the e-mail into the spam bin. If my question is unclear, I'll subscribe to a list using Mailman and see what the output looks like. Thanks, Chas Etheridge webmaster, LUMC From uhud at naseej.com Mon Jul 19 16:53:06 2004 From: uhud at naseej.com (uhud) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:53:06 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Message-ID: <40FC122C@naseej.com> Hello all, I have newly installed mailman and for privacy reasons decided to hide members (senders) email addresses when they send a message to the list. My question is, suppose now a member spams the list, is there a way I can find out which member it is? Tnanks! Uhud From msapiro at value.net Tue Jul 20 16:13:57 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:13:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help (tracing spam) In-Reply-To: <40FC122C@naseej.com> Message-ID: <PC17002004072007135702182ee6e493@msapiro> uhud wrote: > >I have newly installed mailman and for privacy reasons decided to hide members >(senders) email addresses when they send a message to the list. > >My question is, suppose now a member spams the list, is there a way I can find >out which member it is? The Received: headers should give a clue. They contain the names and/or IP addresses of the machine that originated the mail and the servers it passed through. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Jul 20 16:23:58 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:23:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question regarding newsletter mailout In-Reply-To: <00d801c46c2d$c716b9e0$1e1a74ce@bc.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <PC17002004072007235805622ee6e5ec@msapiro> lori petersen wrote: > >For the past couple of months we have had some weird things happen when we send out our newsletter. One member got 4 copies, another didn't get his at all and last month, we had about 20 people who didn't get it either. > This is unlikely to be a Mailman issue. It is more likely an MTA issue or something beyond your control. Check your mailman and MTA logs to see if things are being sent and if bounces are reported. Multiple copies received can be due to MTA delivery issues resulting in retries sending a message that was already received. Missing messages can be due to bounces, spam filtering, ISP blocking and a host of other things. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jeff at look.net Tue Jul 20 16:28:36 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:28:36 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman questions In-Reply-To: <011f01c46dd9$e024dea0$91022942@JEO> References: <011f01c46dd9$e024dea0$91022942@JEO> Message-ID: <16420968-DA59-11D8-A91B-000A959666F6@look.net> On Jul 19, 2004, at 5:46 PM, Jen Onsum wrote: > I have three questions about Mailman... > > 1) Is there a way to list the entire membership list on one page, > instead of having a different page for each letter of the alphabet? You could change the DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE variable to something large. Beware that some browsers (IE) will crap out if this number is too high. > 2) When mass subscribing people, everyone is automatically set to > receive plain mailings. Is there a way for people not to be > automatically set to receive plain mailings when mass subscribing? > It's getting really annoying going through and unchecking 'plain' for > thousands of subscribers. That setting is for the Digest preference and has no bearing on regular delivery. > 3) Mailman is adding a footer to my mailings when it sends them out. > How can I stop it from doing this? See 'Non-digest options'. -Jeff From msapiro at value.net Tue Jul 20 16:33:32 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:33:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman questions In-Reply-To: <011f01c46dd9$e024dea0$91022942@JEO> Message-ID: <PC17002004072007333204062ee6e536@msapiro> Jen Onsum wrote: >I have three questions about Mailman... > >1) Is there a way to list the entire membership list on one page, instead of having a different page for each letter of the alphabet? > http://your.domain/mailman/roster/list-name (or request by e-mail who command) >2) When mass subscribing people, everyone is automatically set to receive plain mailings. Is there a way for people not to be automatically set to receive plain mailings when mass subscribing? It's getting really annoying going through and unchecking 'plain' for thousands of subscribers. > I'm guessing you're referring to digest format. If so, go to admin->Digest Options and set default format to MIME before doing the mass subscribe. >3) Mailman is adding a footer to my mailings when it sends them out. How can I stop it from doing this? > Go to admin->Non-digest Options and delete the footer. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jeff at look.net Tue Jul 20 16:36:42 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:36:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman In-Reply-To: <009301c46e00$b6cdc310$ca1671ce@your30ykvamjle> References: <009301c46e00$b6cdc310$ca1671ce@your30ykvamjle> Message-ID: <37EDA864-DA5A-11D8-A91B-000A959666F6@look.net> On Jul 19, 2004, at 10:24 PM, Mr. Bill wrote: > Does mailman archive messages? If so, whre does it archive them to. The raw mailbox archive is in $PREFIX/archives/private/list.mbox/. The HTML'd messages are in $PREFIX/archives/private/list/ -Jeff From msapiro at value.net Tue Jul 20 16:38:57 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:38:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists In-Reply-To: <07D5A14CCD602A4385790A12376B5417253A2F@mail1.ist.psu.edu> Message-ID: <PC17002004072007385702652ee6e4c2@msapiro> Kristal Hebdenwrote: > >I am interested in your mailing lists, but am curious how secure the >lists are - are names distributed to any companies? (I am basically >concerned about spam, since it is a free service) > Mailman is list server software, not an e-mail list hosting service. See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.017.htp>. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jeff at look.net Tue Jul 20 16:39:40 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:39:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question In-Reply-To: <000801c46a0e$463b3bf0$0200a8c0@dogdaze> References: <000801c46a0e$463b3bf0$0200a8c0@dogdaze> Message-ID: <A1D68A48-DA5A-11D8-A91B-000A959666F6@look.net> On Jul 14, 2004, at 9:51 PM, C. L. Etheridge wrote: > Hello sorry to trouble you with my question. Does Mailman address > list recipients individually? I am currently doing an (opt-in!) > e-mail newsletter distributed via Smartlist. Smartlist and Majordomo > do not address recipients individually. In other words, an e-mail > send to a list via Smartlist in the "TO" field has the name of the > list NOT the e-mail address of the recipient. This results in several > ISPs dumping the e-mail into the spam bin. It can but does not by default. This would require enabling the 'personalization' features and should not be done lightly. See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.015.htp>. -Jeff From jeff at look.net Tue Jul 20 16:41:20 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:41:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help In-Reply-To: <40FC122C@naseej.com> References: <40FC122C@naseej.com> Message-ID: <DD8EBE9E-DA5A-11D8-A91B-000A959666F6@look.net> On Jul 19, 2004, at 10:53 AM, uhud wrote: > Hello all, > > I have newly installed mailman and for privacy reasons decided to hide > members > (senders) email addresses when they send a message to the list. > > My question is, suppose now a member spams the list, is there a way I > can find > out which member it is? > Between the Received headers and your MTA log you should be able to determine who sent the message. -Jeff From msapiro at value.net Tue Jul 20 16:45:31 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:45:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman In-Reply-To: <009301c46e00$b6cdc310$ca1671ce@your30ykvamjle> Message-ID: <PC17002004072007453106562ee6e62f@msapiro> Mr. Bill wrote: >Does mailman archive messages? If so, whre does it archive them to. By default yes. To mailman/archives/private/ with symlinks in mailman/archives/public/ for public archives. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 20 16:38:26 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:38:26 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] convert config.db to pck? In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0407200920270.23777@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu> References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0407200920270.23777@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu> Message-ID: <p0600201dbd22dea5085c@[10.0.1.3]> At 9:29 AM -0400 2004-07-20, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote: > I still need to copy over and convert $MAILMAN/lists/<LISTNAME>* > right? I presume the big deal is {config|request}.db. I can use dumpdb to > get that to ascii, how do I load it into the new as config.pck? IIRC, the Mailman/bin/update program (used in a "make update") handles this. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 20 16:45:37 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:45:37 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Free listservers. Archives. Attachments. Microsoft software. In-Reply-To: <E1BmutW-000865-00@nestle.csail.mit.edu> References: <E1BmutW-000865-00@nestle.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <p06002020bd22e0476a51@[10.0.1.3]> At 9:42 AM -0400 2004-07-20, Don Saklad wrote: > What free listservers are there with archives that will display the text of > messages with attachments formatted in microsoft software like .doc ?... You mean automatically convert those documents into a more readable format? No. If you search the archives of the list, you'll see recent discussions of freely available tools that you can use to do those kinds of conversions yourself, but I don't think anyone is ever going to incorporate those kinds of programs into a mailing list management system, at least not by default. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 20 16:48:52 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:48:52 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question In-Reply-To: <000801c46a0e$463b3bf0$0200a8c0@dogdaze> References: <000801c46a0e$463b3bf0$0200a8c0@dogdaze> Message-ID: <p06002021bd22e0d58b98@[10.0.1.3]> At 9:51 PM -0400 2004-07-14, C. L. Etheridge wrote: > Hello sorry to trouble you with my question. Does Mailman address list > recipients individually? I am currently doing an (opt-in!) e-mail > newsletter distributed via Smartlist. Smartlist and Majordomo do not > address recipients individually. In other words, an e-mail send to a > list via Smartlist in the "TO" field has the name of the list NOT the > e-mail address of the recipient. This results in several ISPs dumping > the e-mail into the spam bin. This is the way that proper mailing lists work. The recipient is provided in the envelope sender address, and the "To:" field remains the address of the mailing list. If ISPs are going to consider this to be junk, then they are going to break virtually all mailing lists in existence everywhere in the world. See also <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.018.htp> and <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.037.htp>. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 20 16:52:58 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:52:58 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question regarding newsletter mailout In-Reply-To: <00d801c46c2d$c716b9e0$1e1a74ce@bc.hsia.telus.net> References: <00d801c46c2d$c716b9e0$1e1a74ce@bc.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <p06002023bd22e1d4c776@[10.0.1.3]> At 11:42 AM -0700 2004-07-17, lori petersen wrote: > For the past couple of months we have had some weird things happen when > we send out our newsletter. One member got 4 copies, another didn't get > his at all and last month, we had about 20 people who didn't get it either. > > Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. This is probably a problem with the providers of your recipients, but without more data it's impossible to tell. See also <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.022.htp>. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 20 16:53:55 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:53:55 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help In-Reply-To: <40FC122C@naseej.com> References: <40FC122C@naseej.com> Message-ID: <p06002024bd22e26bea9d@[10.0.1.3]> At 5:53 PM +0300 2004-07-19, uhud wrote: > My question is, suppose now a member spams the list, is there a way >I can find > out which member it is? Check your logs and the "Received:" headers of the message. See also <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.022.htp>. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 20 16:55:23 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:55:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040719152207.034d4950@mail.montanadsl.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040719152207.034d4950@mail.montanadsl.net> Message-ID: <p06002025bd22e28ef2ec@[10.0.1.3]> At 3:24 PM -0600 2004-07-19, Julie Nelson wrote: > We have recently lost our webkeeper and I am trying to mail out this > newsletter that we have set up through mailman. I know nothing, can > you tell me what to do? Not without a lot more information. See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.004.htp>, the Mailman user documentation at <http://www.list.org/users.html>, and also <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.022.htp>. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 20 17:01:11 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:01:11 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman In-Reply-To: <009301c46e00$b6cdc310$ca1671ce@your30ykvamjle> References: <009301c46e00$b6cdc310$ca1671ce@your30ykvamjle> Message-ID: <p06002027bd22e3a634b8@[10.0.1.3]> At 8:24 PM -0600 2004-07-19, Mr. Bill wrote: > Does mailman archive messages? If so, whre does it archive them to. It can, yes. Assuming you installed Mailman in /usr/local/mailman (the default, if you installed from source), they would be in /usr/local/mailman/archives on the server where Mailman is running. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 20 16:58:39 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:58:39 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman questions In-Reply-To: <011f01c46dd9$e024dea0$91022942@JEO> References: <011f01c46dd9$e024dea0$91022942@JEO> Message-ID: <p06002026bd22e2f10a3d@[10.0.1.3]> At 4:46 PM -0500 2004-07-19, Jen Onsum wrote: > 2) When mass subscribing people, everyone is automatically set to > receive plain mailings. Is there a way for people not to be > automatically set to receive plain mailings when mass subscribing? > It's getting really annoying going through and unchecking 'plain' > for thousands of subscribers. This is only for the digest mode. When the list is created, you can choose what kind of digest mode to use by default. You can also set the default digest mode that will be used for all new subscribers after the configuration change, in the "Digest Options" section of the web admin page for your list. > 3) Mailman is adding a footer to my mailings when it sends them out. How > can I stop it from doing this? See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp>. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 20 16:50:45 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:50:45 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists In-Reply-To: <07D5A14CCD602A4385790A12376B5417253A2F@mail1.ist.psu.edu> References: <07D5A14CCD602A4385790A12376B5417253A2F@mail1.ist.psu.edu> Message-ID: <p06002022bd22e160ac0c@[10.0.1.3]> At 8:53 AM -0400 2004-07-15, Kristal Hebden wrote: > I am interested in your mailing lists, but am curious how secure the > lists are - are names distributed to any companies? (I am basically > concerned about spam, since it is a free service) I don't understand your question. Can you clarify? By default, mailing lists created via Mailman will be publicly accessible, but the mailing list administrator can choose to create private lists instead. The list archives can either be public or private, separately from the list itself (i.e., you can have private archives of a public list, or public archives of a private list, in addition to the obvious choices). You can also choose not to archive lists. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From Mailman0 at MD-Arts.net Tue Jul 20 17:42:52 2004 From: Mailman0 at MD-Arts.net (Richard) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:42:52 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: inserting comments into list of banned members Message-ID: <1090338172.25321.200723531@webmail.messagingengine.com> Try this again. Mailman provides mechanisms for creating lists of rejected nonmembers, accepted nonmembers, etc. Also, regular expressions can be included within these lists. My question is, can comments be included, either between listings, or at the bottom? Something like: rejected_nonmembers ___________________ ceo @ spamstersinternational.com ### ceo is a spammer - 2004. jdoe @ xxx.net ### jdoe is permanently banned from the list. sales @ bigco.com ### bigco is now owned by gigantico - 2004. ___________________ Is there a way to do this? What would the syntax be inside the nonmembers list? Thanks for any help. Richard From dhphllps at memphis.edu Tue Jul 20 17:56:20 2004 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:56:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: inserting comments into list of banned members In-Reply-To: <1090338172.25321.200723531@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1090338172.25321.200723531@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <57CB4F14-DA65-11D8-BB09-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> On Jul 20, 2004, at 10:42 AM, Richard wrote: > > rejected_nonmembers > ___________________ > > ceo @ spamstersinternational.com > ### ceo is a spammer - 2004. > jdoe @ xxx.net > ### jdoe is permanently banned from the list. > sales @ bigco.com > ### bigco is now owned by gigantico - 2004. > ___________________ > > Is there a way to do this? What would > the syntax be inside the nonmembers list? > It can't be done as you've shown in your example, because Mailman checks for an '@' and a '.' in each line when you click "submit changes." You could, however, do something like: ceo at spamstersinternational.com #ceo at is.a.spammer.2004 Doing so, of course doubles the number of checks each incoming post will undergo. Dan From msapiro at value.net Tue Jul 20 19:15:25 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:15:25 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: inserting comments into list of banned members In-Reply-To: <1090338172.25321.200723531@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <PC1700200407201015250125597fdcf6@msapiro> Richard wrote: >My >question is, can comments be included, >either between listings, or at the bottom? >Something like: > >rejected_nonmembers >___________________ > > ceo @ spamstersinternational.com > ### ceo is a spammer - 2004. > jdoe @ xxx.net > ### jdoe is permanently banned from the list. > sales @ bigco.com > ### bigco is now owned by gigantico - 2004. >___________________ > >Is there a way to do this? What would >the syntax be inside the nonmembers list? > Presumably, anything that didn't actually match an e-mail address or look like a regular expression that could match an e-mail address wouldn't do any harm. The question is will Mailman accept such entries in these fields. A brief test seems to say it won't. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From anner at blast.com Tue Jul 20 21:31:25 2004 From: anner at blast.com (Anne Ramey) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:31:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalization comes through as attachment Message-ID: <63AD0DDC-DA83-11D8-8AB6-000A959E1C16@blast.com> When I set up personalization with mailman, I get it normally in most mail clients. But in Outlook, it's coming through as an attachment. Is there any way to fix this? Do I need to upgrade my mailman? Using Mailman version: 2.1.2 Anne From msapiro at value.net Tue Jul 20 21:48:09 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:48:09 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalization comes through as attachment In-Reply-To: <63AD0DDC-DA83-11D8-8AB6-000A959E1C16@blast.com> Message-ID: <PC170020040720124809089010943fe3@msapiro> Anne Ramey wrote: >When I set up personalization with mailman, I get it normally in most >mail clients. But in Outlook, it's coming through as an attachment. >Is there any way to fix this? Do I need to upgrade my mailman? > >Using Mailman version: 2.1.2 > See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 20 22:01:27 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:01:27 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personalization comes through as attachment In-Reply-To: <63AD0DDC-DA83-11D8-8AB6-000A959E1C16@blast.com> References: <63AD0DDC-DA83-11D8-8AB6-000A959E1C16@blast.com> Message-ID: <p0600203cbd232a52c4f1@[10.0.1.3]> At 3:31 PM -0400 2004-07-20, Anne Ramey wrote: > When I set up personalization with mailman, I get it normally in most > mail clients. But in Outlook, it's coming through as an attachment. > Is there any way to fix this? Do I need to upgrade my mailman? See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp> and <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp>. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 20 22:08:08 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:08:08 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman questions In-Reply-To: <000901c46e91$fa112f40$91022942@JEO> References: <p06002026bd22e2f10a3d@[10.0.1.3]> <000901c46e91$fa112f40$91022942@JEO> Message-ID: <p0600203ebd232bf6276d@[10.0.1.3]> At 2:44 PM -0500 2004-07-20, Jen Onsum wrote: > Thanks for the response! In the link you included it said I can > configure Mailman to remove the footer, but it does not say how. > Can you direct me? You'd have to edit the templates on the server for that list, removing the footers, etc.... -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From jwblist at olympus.net Tue Jul 20 22:23:23 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:23:23 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help (tracing spam) In-Reply-To: <PC17002004072007135702182ee6e493@msapiro> Message-ID: <BD22CD4B.14101%jwblist@olympus.net> On 7/20/2004 7:13, "Mark Sapiro" <msapiro at value.net> wrote: > uhud wrote: >> >> I have newly installed mailman and for privacy reasons decided to hide >> members >> (senders) email addresses when they send a message to the list. >> >> My question is, suppose now a member spams the list, is there a way I can >> find >> out which member it is? > > The Received: headers should give a clue. They contain the names and/or > IP addresses of the machine that originated the mail and the servers > it passed through. And, of course, potentially forged Received: headers for machines which never touched the message. This is part of what makes reading Received: headers "fun." --John From jwblist at olympus.net Tue Jul 20 22:27:52 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:27:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman In-Reply-To: <37EDA864-DA5A-11D8-A91B-000A959666F6@look.net> Message-ID: <BD22CE58.14103%jwblist@olympus.net> On 7/20/2004 7:36, "Jeff Barger" <jeff at look.net> wrote: > > On Jul 19, 2004, at 10:24 PM, Mr. Bill wrote: > >> Does mailman archive messages? If so, whre does it archive them to. > > The raw mailbox archive is in $PREFIX/archives/private/list.mbox/. The > HTML'd messages are in $PREFIX/archives/private/list/ Which carries with it the implication that $PREFIX should not be within a "small" file system, but rather a "large" one. The default /usr/local/... may well be "small" (it may also be "large"). --John From chardlist at chard.net Tue Jul 20 22:38:24 2004 From: chardlist at chard.net (Brendan Chard) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:38:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing Listinfo page Message-ID: <200407202038.i6KKcOAO069698@server5.chard.net> Using Mailman 2.1.4 on FreeBSD I am attempting to edit the listinfo.html template file so that the edit subscriber options form appears before the subscription form as this is more practical for supporting my user base. I have successfully switched the two forms on the listinfo page and made minor edits to make it more user friendly but have encountered one problem. If a user enters an address that is not subscribed to the list and then presses the "Unsubscribe or Edit Options" button (which I have renamed to "Edit My Options") a bug traceback screen results. In the original unedited listinfo page if the address is not subscribed mailman is able to tell the user this without producing a bug traceback. A modified listinfo page for one of the lists is available for viewing here: http://groups.michbar.org/mailman/listinfo/aces Attached is my modified listinfo.html template file and the traceback report. Any help in pointing out how I might have incorrectly modified the listinfo.html file to cause this error is greatly appreciated. -Brendan -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: traceback.txt Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040720/9c376ee9/attachment.txt From jwblist at olympus.net Tue Jul 20 22:40:06 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:40:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question regarding newsletter mailout In-Reply-To: <00d801c46c2d$c716b9e0$1e1a74ce@bc.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <BD22D136.14106%jwblist@olympus.net> On 7/17/2004 11:42, "lori petersen" <grampyslolo at telus.net> wrote: > For the past couple of months we have had some weird things happen when we > send out our newsletter. One member got 4 copies, another didn't get his at > all and last month, we had about 20 people who didn't get it either. If the number of recipients who fail to receive the newsletter varies per month, it's quite possible that your newsletter's formatting or content is typically fairly close to triggering spam filters, and some months it does so for more users than other months. On the other hand, "only" 20 failed recipients would make many list operators very happy. [Aside: one might expect correctly-spelled medical terms would no longer trigger filters, but that doesn't seem to be the case.] --John From syost at triad.rr.com Wed Jul 21 01:52:21 2004 From: syost at triad.rr.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:52:21 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delay in mailman passing messages References: <200407201834280390.06825210@192.168.2.200> Message-ID: <200407201952210500.06C9A065@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> Every since switching to mailman, I have been vexed by a performance problem. Originally, I thought it was my old server. It was getting long in the tooth and in the need of retiring. Last month I replaced it and got my lists up and running with no problem on the new server. However, my problem did not go away. Specifically my problem is there is a delay of anywhere from 15 minutes to several hours in Mailman's processing of a message. Mail receives the message but then takes a long time passing it to sendmail. I am not talking about delivery time - That can take an additional 5 hours but is a different issue. I am talking about the time it takes for Mailman to process the message. After my signature are "Received:" lines from example messages. A couple of notes and/or important info: 1.I have tried the "Run a sendmail receiver just for Mailman" suggestion found in the FAQs. Nothing changes in the delay. 2.Have tried running multiple copies(4 qrunners) of the qrunners. No change. 3.Virtually no change in behavior in the delay between a 450 MHZ server running 6.1 Linux with 1 meg memory to 3 GHZ server running 9.0 Linux with 1 meg memory. 4.Nothing out of the ordinary about the messages with the longest delays as best I can tell. They come form all over the globe from all kinds of email systems and encompass all types of emails. There are no errors in the error logs. 5.No messages or clues in any of the logs for that matter. They just read like everything is a pretty day in the park 6.A total of 8 lists that are small: Biggest is 500 subscribers with 30-50 messages a day 7.The messages are scanned for viruses and SPAM but according to maillog that takes only a second or two and then the message is passed to mailman. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net Here are the examples. YOST is my PC, heavyiron.atis.net is the server that runs mailman and is the sendmail host and the priority 1 mx host for the domain Pretty quick example(about 25 minutes) =============================== Received: from heavyiron.atis.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heavyiron.atis.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i6JFwMQ7009466; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:58:22 -0400 Received: from YOST ([192.168.2.203]) by heavyiron.atis.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i6JFYF00003667; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:34:15 -0400 A Slow message(6 hours) ====================== Received: from heavyiron.atis.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heavyiron.atis.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i6JA0ZGJ005199; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 06:00:35 -0400 Received: from YOST ([192.168.2.203]) by heavyiron.atis.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i6J3r2Lf026350 for <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 23:53:02 -0400 From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Jul 21 03:20:08 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 03:20:08 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delay in mailman passing messages In-Reply-To: <200407201952210500.06C9A065@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> References: <200407201834280390.06825210@192.168.2.200> <200407201952210500.06C9A065@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> Message-ID: <p06002049bd2372b4bbe4@[10.0.1.3]> At 7:52 PM -0400 2004-07-20, Spencer Yost wrote: > Specifically my problem is there is a delay of anywhere from 15 minutes to > several hours in Mailman's processing of a message. Mail receives the > message but then takes a long time passing it to sendmail. I am not > talking about delivery time - That can take an additional 5 hours but is > a different issue. I am talking about the time it takes for Mailman to > process the message. After my signature are "Received:" lines from example > messages. What version of Mailman are you running? Have you looked at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.041.htp> and confirmed that you're not having any of these problems? > 1.I have tried the "Run a sendmail receiver just for Mailman" suggestion > found in the FAQs. Nothing changes in the delay. If the delays are internal to Mailman, then this won't make a difference. > 2.Have tried running multiple copies(4 qrunners) of the qrunners. No > change. This kind of thing works for sendmail servers, where you can run multiple parallel sendmail queue runner processes. I am not convinced that this strategy works for Mailman, however. > 3.Virtually no change in behavior in the delay between a 450 MHZ server > running 6.1 Linux with 1 meg memory to 3 GHZ server running 9.0 Linux with > 1 meg memory. 1MB of memory?!? Surely you mean something else -- maybe 1GB? Shortage of RAM can be a serious problem. If you don't have enough RAM, you can pretty much forget about everything else. > 4.Nothing out of the ordinary about the messages with the longest delays as > best I can tell. They come form all over the globe from all kinds of > email systems and encompass all types of emails. There are no errors in > the error logs. That sounds like a systemic problem. > 6.A total of 8 lists that are small: Biggest is 500 subscribers with 30-50 > messages a day Assuming the rest of the machine is configured correctly, that should be a walk in the park, at least as far as Mailman is concerned. I've run larger lists on smaller servers, and until recently all the python.org mailing lists (including all the mailman-related lists) were running on a smaller machine, and with way more recipients. Keep in mind that when we talk about mail performance tuning, a lot of the same issues are applicable to Mailman as they are sendmail, or postfix, or exim, or whatever. There's lots of good stuff at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.003.htp> which you should take a look at, but in particular disk configuration and filesystem layout can be two huge bottlenecks. Your best reference here would be to get a copy of Nick Christenson's book _sendmail Performance Tuning_ and apply the lower-level techniques to your situation, and leave out just the sendmail-specific stuff. You could apply the sendmail-specific stuff at a later time, but the rest should be applicable to any related process, such as Mailman. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From rkpn at british-genealogy.com Wed Jul 21 03:22:39 2004 From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 02:22:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] inserting comments into list of banned members In-Reply-To: <1090246629.3145.200636455@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <20040719100039.A4B011E4008@bag.python.org> <1090246629.3145.200636455@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <LaRzlmHfVc$AFAS7@btconnect.com> In message <1090246629.3145.200636455 at webmail.messagingengine.com>, Richard <Mailman0 at MD-Arts.net> writes > >Hi Folks - > >I want to create lists of accepted non- >members, rejected nonmembers, etc. Can >comments be inserted be or below the list? > >Something like: > >ceo at spamstersinternational.com >### ceo is spam - 2004. You need what Mailman thinks may be a valid email address, so you can feed it one by cheating... ceo at spamstersinternational.com ceo-isspammer2004 at spamstersinternational.com the second one acts as a comment that is never used as a real one. Regards Rod -- Rod Neep Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com From msapiro at value.net Wed Jul 21 03:48:18 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:48:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman questions In-Reply-To: <p0600203ebd232bf6276d@[10.0.1.3]> Message-ID: <PC17002004072018481809536b6c1dab@msapiro> Brad Knowles wrote in reply to off list message: >At 2:44 PM -0500 2004-07-20, Jen Onsum wrote: > >> Thanks for the response! In the link you included it said I can >> configure Mailman to remove the footer, but it does not say how. >> Can you direct me? > > You'd have to edit the templates on the server for that list, >removing the footers, etc.... > Or as mentioned in two other replies to your original post, go to your list administration Non-digest options page and delete all the text in the Footer box and click Submit Your Changes. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From rpyne at kinfolk.org Wed Jul 21 04:12:35 2004 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:12:35 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish List In-Reply-To: <p060020a3bd14dd4041ce@[10.0.1.3]> References: <40EEC136.29566.1114A2@localhost> Message-ID: <40FD7CB3.12253.1BE3A85@localhost> Wiping the egg from my face.... I guess it was a combination of things including that you seem to answer most of the questions on the list and frequent the list much more often than Barry, and there is some little thing about both being "B" names.... ;-) I can tell I've been working far too many hours. --Richard On 10 Jul 2004 at 1:42, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 4:00 PM -0600 2004-07-09, Richard B. Pyne wrote: > > > I have been using Mailman for several years and want to thank > > Brad for such a fine product. > > It's not my product. If people are now confusing me with Barry > Warsaw, maybe it's time for me to leave the list. > > > 2) Per (virtual) domain list names, i.e. allowing > > list at domain1.com and list at domain2.com to co-exist within one > > installation of mailman. > > There are some patches which exist that help address this problem > today, but they may not apply cleanly for your installation. See > <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.047.htp>. > > > I know that these are probably not trivial changes, but just > > want to get them "on the radar screen" for future enhancement. > > I can say that better handling of virtual domains is on the list > of desired features for Mailman3, but you need to talk to Barry to > find out where on that list, and how things are going. > > -- > Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. > From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Jul 21 04:22:10 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 04:22:10 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish List In-Reply-To: <40FD7CB3.12253.1BE3A85@localhost> References: <40EEC136.29566.1114A2@localhost> <40FD7CB3.12253.1BE3A85@localhost> Message-ID: <p0600204abd238369a673@[10.0.1.3]> At 8:12 PM -0600 2004-07-20, Richard B. Pyne wrote: > I guess it was a combination of things including that you seem > to answer most of the questions on the list and frequent the > list much more often than Barry, and there is some little thing > about both being "B" names.... ;-) Hmm. If I am answering too many questions, then maybe it is time for me to leave. Barry can't be on this list very much due to work/time conflicts, and I think you'll agree that his time is better spent working on creating code for upcoming versions of Mailman, working out strategies for incorporating chunks of code from other people, etc.... > I can tell I've been working far too many hours. Maybe I have too. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From dcarter at opnet.com Wed Jul 21 04:43:48 2004 From: dcarter at opnet.com (David Carter) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:43:48 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Runaway OutgoingRunner process Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040720223750.02692340@mailserver.opnet.com> Hi all, I seem to have a process that has a mind of its own. It keeps consuming CPU (as much as it can get), but it doesn't seem to be doing anything. No logs are getting updated, and no actions are being performed. This seemed to start this morning when a user was dropped from a list due to an inactive mail account, but I can't seem to narrow down what the process is doing. Restarting the qrunner's has no effect. It seems to be trying to send a message to the list owners. There are files being created and destroyed very quickly in the qmail/out directory. I was able to copy one of the .pck files to another file before it disappeared which is the only way I know. I've not been able to catch one of the .db files to determine the message contents. Any help in debugging/fixing this problem is greatly appreciated. Dave David Carter <mailto:dcarter at opnet.com> Senior Modeling Engineer OPNET Technologies, Inc. <http://www.opnet.com/> phone 240.497.3000 x2743 ============================================================= Register for OPNET's Online Technology Workshops http://www.opnet.com/TechWorkshops/ ============================================================= Register for OPNETWORK 2004 (Aug 30 - Sept 3, Washington DC) http://www.opnet.com/opnetwork2004/ ============================================================= From jeonsum at stthomas.edu Tue Jul 20 21:44:31 2004 From: jeonsum at stthomas.edu (Jen Onsum) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:44:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman questions References: <p06002026bd22e2f10a3d@[10.0.1.3]> Message-ID: <000901c46e91$fa112f40$91022942@JEO> Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman questionsThanks for the response! In the link you included it said I can configure Mailman to remove the footer, but it does not say how. Can you direct me? Jen ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Knowles To: Jen Onsum Cc: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman questions At 4:46 PM -0500 2004-07-19, Jen Onsum wrote: > 2) When mass subscribing people, everyone is automatically set to > receive plain mailings. Is there a way for people not to be > automatically set to receive plain mailings when mass subscribing? > It's getting really annoying going through and unchecking 'plain' > for thousands of subscribers. This is only for the digest mode. When the list is created, you can choose what kind of digest mode to use by default. You can also set the default digest mode that will be used for all new subscribers after the configuration change, in the "Digest Options" section of the web admin page for your list. > 3) Mailman is adding a footer to my mailings when it sends them out. How > can I stop it from doing this? See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp>. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From yostsw at atis.net Wed Jul 21 00:34:28 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:34:28 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delay in mailman passing messages Message-ID: <200407201834280390.06825210@192.168.2.200> Every since switching to mailman, I have been vexed by a performance problem. Originally, I thought it was my old server. It was getting long in the tooth and in the need of retiring. Last month I replaced it and got my lists up and running with no problem on the new server. However, my problem did not go away. Specifically my problem is there is a delay of anywhere from 15 minutes to several hours in Mailman's processing of a message. Mail receives the message but then takes a long time passing it to sendmail. I am not talking about delivery time - That can take an additional 5 hours but is a different issue. I am talking about the time it takes for Mailman to process the message. After my signature are "Received:" lines from example messages. A couple of notes and/or important info: 1.I have tried the "Run a sendmail receiver just for Mailman" suggestion found in the FAQs. Nothing changes in the delay. 2.Have tried running multiple copies(4 qrunners) of the qrunners. No change. 3.Virtually no change in behavior in the delay between a 450 MHZ server running 6.1 Linux with 1 meg memory to 3 GHZ server running 9.0 Linux with 1 meg memory. 4.Nothing out of the ordinary about the messages with the longest delays as best I can tell. They come form all over the globe from all kinds of email systems and encompass all types of emails. There are no errors in the error logs. 5.No messages or clues in any of the logs for that matter. They just read like everything is a pretty day in the park 6.A total of 8 lists that are small: Biggest is 500 subscribers with 30-50 messages a day 7.The messages are scanned for viruses and SPAM but according to maillog that takes only a second or two and then the message is passed to mailman. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net Here are the examples. YOST is my PC, heavyiron.atis.net is the server that runs mailman and is the sendmail host and the priority 1 mx host for the domain Pretty quick example(about 25 minutes) =============================== Received: from heavyiron.atis.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heavyiron.atis.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i6JFwMQ7009466; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:58:22 -0400 Received: from YOST ([192.168.2.203]) by heavyiron.atis.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i6JFYF00003667; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:34:15 -0400 A Slow message(6 hours) ====================== Received: from heavyiron.atis.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heavyiron.atis.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i6JA0ZGJ005199; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 06:00:35 -0400 Received: from YOST ([192.168.2.203]) by heavyiron.atis.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i6J3r2Lf026350 for <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 23:53:02 -0400 From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Jul 21 10:21:28 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:21:28 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Runaway OutgoingRunner process In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040720223750.02692340@mailserver.opnet.com> References: <6.0.1.1.0.20040720223750.02692340@mailserver.opnet.com> Message-ID: <p06002000bd23d7e11621@[10.0.1.3]> At 10:43 PM -0400 2004-07-20, David Carter wrote: > I seem to have a process that has a mind of its own. It keeps consuming > CPU (as much as it can get), but it doesn't seem to be doing anything. > No logs are getting updated, and no actions are being performed. Have you checked the page at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.041.htp> and confirmed that your problem is not one of the ones described? -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From gaf at blu.org Wed Jul 21 14:19:19 2004 From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:19:19 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic rejecting of non-subscriber messages Message-ID: <20040721081919.75b6616a@gaf.gaf.net> I am still running an older version of mailman until we upgrade to a new server in a month or so, but I have a need to reject 100% of the non-subscribers on at least one of the listservs. There are a few ways I could do this: The first is to intercept the message before it hits the list, parse the from: address, and compare it with the subscribers for that list (I already have code that extracts the email address and passwords for some web sites). The second, and probably more preferable would to find a hook in mailman python code. The reason I need to do this is we have a moderated list, and the non-member posts are taking quite a bit of the moderator's time. -- Jerry Feldman <gaf at blu.org> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040721/8117fc42/attachment.pgp From dave at umiacs.umd.edu Wed Jul 21 14:21:15 2004 From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] covert/modify config dump to pickle Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0407210810080.24371@reticle.umiacs.umd.edu> In moving lists from one host to another (older MM2.0 to 2.1) I noticed that while "update" will convert lists, it leaves bad remnants of the old host within the config.pck ie the hostname. This includes the web_page_url and hostnames of umbrella lists if you have sublists. The result being once I reach the admin page of a list on the new host, passing the cursor over various options (eg membership) shows the links point to the old host. I found a brute force way to modify this using the vim editor to do global substitutions but there must be a cleaner way to completely convert things. If not, consider this a wishlist for something to take dumpdb output and push it into a config.db/pck =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David Stern University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies From Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk Wed Jul 21 14:26:24 2004 From: Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk (Rob Hackney) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:26:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to edit rfc info? Message-ID: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC968@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> I don't know if this is possible but I'd like to ask anyway. Although I can disable sending rfc2369 using Mailman I'd rather not. Is there a way of removing certain parts of it and am I allowed to do that? If still interested: I wish to remove the url references to the webserver for unsubscribing as this will not be available to subscribers. Unsubbing and all other requests will be acceptable of course via email . I've read thru the rfc and I'm a bit confused as to whether to use whitespace instead of the urls/ delete them or add a leading comment. Any pointers or help greatly appreciated as I've looked thru faqs/ archives/ googles etc and can't quite find what I want. Thanks This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: postmaster at tkcsales.co.uk then delete the email. Scanned for viruses by MailDefender From dcarter at opnet.com Wed Jul 21 16:35:03 2004 From: dcarter at opnet.com (David Carter) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:35:03 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Runaway OutgoingRunner process In-Reply-To: <p06002000bd23d7e11621@[10.0.1.3]> References: <6.0.1.1.0.20040720223750.02692340@mailserver.opnet.com> <p06002000bd23d7e11621@[10.0.1.3]> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040721103431.02688fb8@mailserver.opnet.com> That was one of the first places I looked. Nothing. Dave At 04:21 AM 7/21/2004, Brad Knowles wrote: >At 10:43 PM -0400 2004-07-20, David Carter wrote: > >> I seem to have a process that has a mind of its own. It keeps consuming >> CPU (as much as it can get), but it doesn't seem to be doing anything. >> No logs are getting updated, and no actions are being performed. > > Have you checked the page at > <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.041.htp> > and confirmed that your problem is not one of the ones described? > >-- >Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> > >"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little >temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. David Carter <mailto:dcarter at opnet.com> Senior Modeling Engineer OPNET Technologies, Inc. <http://www.opnet.com/> phone 240.497.3000 x2743 ============================================================= Register for OPNET's Online Technology Workshops http://www.opnet.com/TechWorkshops/ ============================================================= Register for OPNETWORK 2004 (Aug 30 - Sept 3, Washington DC) http://www.opnet.com/opnetwork2004/ ============================================================= From jeff at look.net Wed Jul 21 16:37:56 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:37:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic rejecting of non-subscriber messages In-Reply-To: <20040721081919.75b6616a@gaf.gaf.net> References: <20040721081919.75b6616a@gaf.gaf.net> Message-ID: <8E172992-DB23-11D8-89A5-000A959666F6@look.net> On Jul 21, 2004, at 8:19 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > I am still running an older version of mailman until we upgrade to a > new > server in a month or so, but I have a need to reject 100% of the > non-subscribers on at least one of the listservs. There are a few ways > I > could do this: > The first is to intercept the message before it hits the list, parse > the > from: address, and compare it with the subscribers for that list (I > already have code that extracts the email address and passwords for > some > web sites). > > The second, and probably more preferable would to find a hook in > mailman > python code. > > > The reason I need to do this is we have a moderated list, and the > non-member posts are taking quite a bit of the moderator's time. Go to Privacy options -> Sender filters, look towards the bottom of the page for 'generic_nonmember_action'. -Jeff From chardlist at chard.net Wed Jul 21 16:39:42 2004 From: chardlist at chard.net (Brendan Chard) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:39:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing Listinfo page In-Reply-To: <200407202038.i6KKcOAO069698@server5.chard.net> Message-ID: <200407211439.i6LEdeWY077111@server5.chard.net> I see the html attachment was stripped, here's the listinfo.html page attached as a .txt file. -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Brendan Chard Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 4:38 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing Listinfo page Using Mailman 2.1.4 on FreeBSD I am attempting to edit the listinfo.html template file so that the edit subscriber options form appears before the subscription form as this is more practical for supporting my user base. I have successfully switched the two forms on the listinfo page and made minor edits to make it more user friendly but have encountered one problem. If a user enters an address that is not subscribed to the list and then presses the "Unsubscribe or Edit Options" button (which I have renamed to "Edit My Options") a bug traceback screen results. In the original unedited listinfo page if the address is not subscribed mailman is able to tell the user this without producing a bug traceback. A modified listinfo page for one of the lists is available for viewing here: http://groups.michbar.org/mailman/listinfo/aces Attached is my modified listinfo.html template file and the traceback report. Any help in pointing out how I might have incorrectly modified the listinfo.html file to cause this error is greatly appreciated. -Brendan -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: listinfo.txt Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20040721/5c9513b9/attachment.txt From jeff at look.net Wed Jul 21 16:41:27 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:41:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to edit rfc info? In-Reply-To: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC968@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> References: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC968@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> Message-ID: <0C145E19-DB24-11D8-89A5-000A959666F6@look.net> On Jul 21, 2004, at 8:26 AM, Rob Hackney wrote: > I don't know if this is possible but I'd like to ask anyway. > > Although I can disable sending rfc2369 using Mailman I'd rather not. > Is there a way of removing certain parts of it and am I allowed to do > that? > > If still interested: > I wish to remove the url references to the webserver for unsubscribing > as this > will not be available to subscribers. Unsubbing and all other requests > will be > acceptable of course via email . I've read thru the rfc and I'm a bit > confused as to whether to > use whitespace instead of the urls/ delete them or add a leading > comment. > Any pointers or help greatly appreciated as I've looked thru faqs/ > archives/ googles etc > and can't quite find what I want. I'm pretty sure you'd have to modify the CookHeaders handler to do anything different with those headers. -Jeff From Darren.Young at gsb.uchicago.edu Wed Jul 21 17:01:13 2004 From: Darren.Young at gsb.uchicago.edu (Young, Darren) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:01:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List signature as attachment? Message-ID: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B7EA0A9@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> Messages that come from Outlook (via Exchange) in HTML format through a Mailman 2.1 list have the list footer added as an attachment to the email as it comes through the list. Didn't do this under version 2.0. Any way to stop this from happening on those emails? Thanks, Darren Young Senior UNIX Administrator University of Chicago Graduate School of Business darren.young at gsb.uchicago.edu Voice: 773-702-0331 From rpyne at kinfolk.org Wed Jul 21 17:05:23 2004 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:05:23 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish List In-Reply-To: <p0600204abd238369a673@[10.0.1.3]> References: <40FD7CB3.12253.1BE3A85@localhost> Message-ID: <40FE31D3.23896.481D9CF@localhost> On 21 Jul 2004 at 4:22, Brad Knowles wrote: > Hmm. If I am answering too many questions, then maybe it is time > for me to leave. No, Brad, I wouldn't want you to do that. > Barry can't be on this list very much due to work/time conflicts, > and I think you'll agree that his time is better spent working on > creating code for upcoming versions of Mailman, working out > strategies for incorporating chunks of code from other people, etc.... I understand that completely and definitely agree. One of the things that makes the open source community work so well is people like you who are willing to share their knowledge of a package while the developers continue to dedicate their efforts to improvements. From root at students.iiit.net Wed Jul 21 17:11:03 2004 From: root at students.iiit.net (root) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:41:03 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Web Interface not working In-Reply-To: <8E172992-DB23-11D8-89A5-000A959666F6@look.net> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407212020150.24276-100000@students.iiit.net> The web interface for mailman is not working... its shows all the details fine, but doesnot commit the changes i make, like i can not change setting of users, approve/reject messages, anything... I do not see any error messages anywhere in the logs.. Pls help Sunil Ranta From msapiro at value.net Wed Jul 21 17:43:34 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:43:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List signature as attachment? In-Reply-To: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B7EA0A9@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <PC17002004072108433401407c194dae@msapiro> Darren Young wrote: > >Messages that come from Outlook (via Exchange) in HTML format through a >Mailman 2.1 list have the list footer added as an attachment to the >email as it comes through the list. Didn't do this under version 2.0. >Any way to stop this from happening on those emails? See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.005.htp and http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Jul 21 18:39:22 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:39:22 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Web Interface not working In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407212020150.24276-100000@students.iiit.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407212020150.24276-100000@students.iiit.net> Message-ID: <p06002017bd244cb27705@[10.0.1.3]> At 8:41 PM +0530 2004-07-21, root wrote: > The web interface for mailman is not working... > its shows all the details fine, but doesnot commit the changes i make, > like i can not change setting of users, approve/reject messages, > anything... See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.045.htp>. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From fedora at montana.com Wed Jul 21 19:25:28 2004 From: fedora at montana.com (Nathan) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:25:28 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] phantom moderation requests Message-ID: <1090430727.25909.282.camel@marduk.mso.montana.com> I'm just reiterating this question. Has anyone else had this issue? I am using mailman-2.1.5. Moderation request emails are occasionally being sent to the administrator/moderator at 8:00am for nonexistent moderation requests. In other words, nothing shows up under "Tend to pending moderator requests" on the web interface after receiving one of these emails. This has happened on several lists that I have recently set up and haven't used yet (no members). I have searched and cannot find anything in the mailman-users archives for this issue. Does anyone know what causes this or if it might be possible to make these moderation emails cease? Thanks Nathan From dsanchez at pucp.edu.pe Wed Jul 21 19:49:49 2004 From: dsanchez at pucp.edu.pe (David Elias Sanchez Vasquez) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:49:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] what is the way mailman deliver the messages? Message-ID: <009901c46f4b$1efddb00$2d7330c8@c021729> Hello folks I just started to use mailman. I have near 2200 suscribers, I am using mailman mostly like a newsletter. I'd like to know which is the way mailman proceds to deliver the messages I send. The problem is that my server only allows to send messages to no more than 300 destinataries per hour. Since I have 2200, I'd like to know if mailman use any algorithm to deliver the messages during an among of time (for example, deliver to 200 destinataries per hour till it reachs the total -2200) Thanks David. From astorman at elmresources.com Wed Jul 21 20:23:43 2004 From: astorman at elmresources.com (Alexander Storman) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:23:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with virus spoofing to customer lists Message-ID: <003501c46f4f$db41d240$a303320a@spot> Hi All, We are having issues with email being spoofed from M$ viruses that have managed to get most of our company email addresses. Viruses are getting through since they are spoofed as addresses that have unmoderated approval to send to the list. We are looking for a way to password protect sending of messages in Mailman. Is there a way to setup a password inside the email body for outgoing messages? Do I have any options other than forcing a moderation flag on all users and making list administrators approve these via the web interface? What are other people doing in this situation? Thanks, Alex Alexander Jay Storman Systems Engineer ELM Resources astorman at elmresources.com (510) 285-2292(office) ********CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE********** This electronic mail may contain information which is confidential or restricted for use only by ELM Resources employees. The information is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named in this mail. If you are not an intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is without authorization and is prohibited. If you receive this electronic mail in error, please notify us by return electronic mail and delete this mail immediately. Thank you for your cooperation. *************************************** From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Jul 21 20:04:10 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:04:10 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] phantom moderation requests In-Reply-To: <1090430727.25909.282.camel@marduk.mso.montana.com> References: <1090430727.25909.282.camel@marduk.mso.montana.com> Message-ID: <p0600201abd246008ff61@[10.0.1.3]> At 11:25 AM -0600 2004-07-21, Nathan wrote: > Moderation request emails are occasionally being sent to the > administrator/moderator at 8:00am for nonexistent moderation requests. > In other words, nothing shows up under "Tend to pending moderator > requests" on the web interface after receiving one of these emails. > This has happened on several lists that I have recently set up and > haven't used yet (no members). This is the "-1 requests" problem? I've seen the discussions on the list in the past, including some mention of solutions. I do not remember precisely what they were or when, but they should be able to be found using the mechanisms discussed at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.018.htp>. I don't know when I might get some time to try to find the various relevant postings, but if you find them before I do, I would ask you to update the FAQ with an appropriate entry. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Jul 21 20:08:55 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:08:55 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] what is the way mailman deliver the messages? In-Reply-To: <009901c46f4b$1efddb00$2d7330c8@c021729> References: <009901c46f4b$1efddb00$2d7330c8@c021729> Message-ID: <p0600201bbd2460a824b4@[10.0.1.3]> At 12:49 PM -0500 2004-07-21, David Elias Sanchez Vasquez wrote: > I just started to use mailman. I have near 2200 suscribers, I am using > mailman mostly like a newsletter. That's a typical use. > I'd like to know which is the way mailman proceds to deliver the messages I > send. The problem is that my server only allows to send messages to no more > than 300 destinataries per hour. Since I have 2200, I'd like to know if > mailman use any algorithm to deliver the messages during an among of time > (for example, deliver to 200 destinataries per hour till it reachs the > total -2200) Mailman has no way to control this. Depending on how you have configured various settings, Mailman may dump 100 or 500 recipients or more into what it considers to be a single outgoing message. The MTA which receives this long list of subscribers might then break that up into smaller chunks of five or ten recipients for some medium-size sites, fifty or a hundred or more recipients for large sites, and lots of smaller sites with just one or two recipients. Your ISP would look at this flow of outgoing messages, and could decide to count this in a variety of ways. They could count the total number of recipients, regardless of the number of messages. They could count the number of connection attempts, regardless of number of recipients. They could do something else. If you want to do rate limiting, you need to do that within the MTA. Mailman has no features to allow you to control this. If your MTA does not provide any features to allow you to control this, you should consider upgrading your account, switching ISPs to one that does not rate limit you, or moving your list to a hosting provider (see <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.017.htp>). -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Jul 21 21:37:29 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:37:29 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with virus spoofing to customer lists In-Reply-To: <003501c46f4f$db41d240$a303320a@spot> References: <003501c46f4f$db41d240$a303320a@spot> Message-ID: <p06002020bd2475f522c6@[10.0.1.3]> At 11:23 AM -0700 2004-07-21, Alexander Storman wrote: > We are looking for a way to password protect sending of messages in Mailman. > Is there a way to setup a password inside the email body for outgoing > messages? I'm not aware of anything, no. > Do I have any options other than forcing a moderation flag on all users and > making list administrators approve these via the web interface? Within mailman, that's the only solution I know of. > What are other people doing in this situation? IMO, the better solution is to implement anti-virus scanning software on your mail server, so that these things are caught and dealt with before they ever get the chance of getting to Mailman. The information at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.012.htp> is oriented towards using amavisd and SpamAssassin in an anti-spam configuration, but you can also use amavisd to tie into anti-virus scanning solutions, such as ClamAV. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From ronny at kopfrechnung.de Thu Jul 22 00:09:27 2004 From: ronny at kopfrechnung.de (Ronny Raschkowan) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:09:27 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem after bin/arch'ing Message-ID: <40FEE997.4090904@kopfrechnung.de> Hello! I have a problem, and i still can't get the right answer for it, maybe you could help me. I needed do edit a message of an archive today, so i did the change, and saved it. Later, i had to run the bin/arch script to regenerate the archive of the list i had to edit a message. Thats what i did, providing "bin/arch mylist [<mbox>]. Now, i have got a problem with that: The numeration of the mails got changed. All links which pointed to a specific mail don't work anymore, because it seems there -3633 after the arch'ing. Meaning: Mail 9659 got, after i had arched, 6026. I can't figure out, what caused it, but i still have the problem that the links are broken after this change. Is there any possiblity to get the numeration like it was before? Or is it possible to say the script, it has to start counting from Mail Number 3633, ( i mean giving the (first!) mail the number 3633, to get the old order) ? I am really desesperating on this problem - As far, -s and -e can't help in this case. Sincerly yours, Ronny From SpeedyGonzalis at softhome.net Thu Jul 22 01:31:39 2004 From: SpeedyGonzalis at softhome.net (Speedy Gonzalis) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:31:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with virus spoofing to customer lists In-Reply-To: <003501c46f4f$db41d240$a303320a@spot> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040721183853.0248dc48@127.0.0.1> At 02:23 PM 7/21/2004, Alexander Storman wrote: >Hi All, > >We are having issues with email being spoofed from M$ viruses that have >managed to get most of our company email addresses. >Viruses are getting through since they are spoofed as addresses that have >unmoderated approval to send to the list. >We are looking for a way to password protect sending of messages in Mailman. >Is there a way to setup a password inside the email body for outgoing >messages? In a word, yes. Moderate everyone. When you send a message to the list make Approved: your_admin_or_moderator_password the first line at the top of your message. Better still, put that line in your headers if you can. A couple of blank lines should follow, then the body of your message. Mailman will remove the Approved line before sending out the message. A word of caution.. You might test this on a list where exposing your password will not be a problem. It is my understanding that this tactic may not work with some mail clients and even though the message should be held if it doesn't work, it's just better to be on the safe side. Tim From rkpn at british-genealogy.com Thu Jul 22 01:35:10 2004 From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:35:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with virus spoofing to customer lists In-Reply-To: <003501c46f4f$db41d240$a303320a@spot> References: <003501c46f4f$db41d240$a303320a@spot> Message-ID: <q5NLttHu2v$AFAE7@btconnect.com> In message <003501c46f4f$db41d240$a303320a at spot>, Alexander Storman <astorman at elmresources.com> writes >Hi All, > >We are having issues with email being spoofed from M$ viruses that have >managed to get most of our company email addresses. Viruses are getting >through since they are spoofed as addresses that have unmoderated >approval to send to the list. We are looking for a way to password >protect sending of messages in Mailman. Is there a way to setup a >password inside the email body for outgoing messages? > >Do I have any options other than forcing a moderation flag on all users >and making list administrators approve these via the web interface? > >What are other people doing in this situation? It happens to us all of the time... Set the max message size to 15Kb .... then the viruses will not get through to the list. They will end up needing to be approved by the list admin... or discarded. Your own messages that may be larger than this can be approved by yourself. Regards Rod -- Rod Neep Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com From msapiro at value.net Thu Jul 22 02:25:45 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:25:45 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem after bin/arch'ing In-Reply-To: <40FEE997.4090904@kopfrechnung.de> Message-ID: <PC170020040721172545085989766c48@msapiro> Ronny Raschkowan wrote: > >I needed do edit a message of an archive today, so i did the change, and >saved it. Later, i had to run the bin/arch script to regenerate the >archive of the list i had to edit a message. Thats what i did, providing >"bin/arch mylist [<mbox>]. It seems from what you say later that you used --wipe. In any case you should have. > >Now, i have got a problem with that: The numeration of the mails got >changed. All links which pointed to a specific mail don't work anymore, >because it seems there -3633 after the arch'ing. Meaning: Mail 9659 got, >after i had arched, 6026. I can't figure out, what caused it, but i >still have the problem that the links are broken after this change. Is >there any possiblity to get the numeration like it was before? Or is it >possible to say the script, it has to start counting from Mail Number >3633, ( i mean giving the (first!) mail the number 3633, to get the old >order) ? >I am really desesperating on this problem - As far, -s and -e can't help >in this case. I'm only guessing, but are there messages missing? it seems that the .mbox file was probably missing 3633 messages. Was the .mbox "started over" at some point? Is there an old .mbox file somewhere containing 3633 messages? -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From ronny at kopfrechnung.de Thu Jul 22 02:59:07 2004 From: ronny at kopfrechnung.de (Ronny Raschkowan) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 02:59:07 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem after bin/arch'ing In-Reply-To: <PC170020040721172545085989766c48@msapiro> References: <PC170020040721172545085989766c48@msapiro> Message-ID: <40FF115B.6030009@kopfrechnung.de> Mark Sapiro wrote: >Ronny Raschkowan wrote: > > >>I needed do edit a message of an archive today, so i did the change, and >>saved it. Later, i had to run the bin/arch script to regenerate the >>archive of the list i had to edit a message. Thats what i did, providing >>"bin/arch mylist [<mbox>]. >> >> > >It seems from what you say later that you used --wipe. In any case you >should have. > > > Hm, i had to notice that :-( >>Now, i have got a problem with that: The numeration of the mails got >>changed. All links which pointed to a specific mail don't work anymore, >>because it seems there -3633 after the arch'ing. Meaning: Mail 9659 got, >>after i had arched, 6026. I can't figure out, what caused it, but i >>still have the problem that the links are broken after this change. Is >>there any possiblity to get the numeration like it was before? Or is it >>possible to say the script, it has to start counting from Mail Number >>3633, ( i mean giving the (first!) mail the number 3633, to get the old >>order) ? >>I am really desesperating on this problem - As far, -s and -e can't help >>in this case. >> >> > >I'm only guessing, but are there messages missing? it seems that the >.mbox file was probably missing 3633 messages. Was the .mbox "started >over" at some point? Is there an old .mbox file somewhere containing >3633 messages? > >-- >Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > > > > I can't look, because the archive is very big, as far, i can't remember of all mails we became on it :) I looked in the archives/private/ directory, cd'ed to to mylist.mbox directory, but there was only the normal wikide-l.mbox. This is really strange.. But I need the normal numeration back. BTW: Is there an (official?) channel in IRC or somewhere where siteadmins could chat together and help other site admins? Sincerly yours, Ronny From carbonnb at sympatico.ca Thu Jul 22 04:01:29 2004 From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:01:29 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Web Interface not working In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407212020150.24276-100000@students.iiit.net> References: <8E172992-DB23-11D8-89A5-000A959666F6@look.net> Message-ID: <40FEE7B9.31923.893D0@localhost> On 21 Jul 2004 at 20:41, root wrote: > The web interface for mailman is not working... > its shows all the details fine, but doesnot commit the changes i make, > like i can not change setting of users, approve/reject messages, > anything... > > I do not see any error messages anywhere in the logs.. > > Pls help Do you have cookies enabled in your browser? -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca I've learned.... That one should keep his words both soft and tender, because tomorrow he may have to eat them. From msapiro at value.net Thu Jul 22 04:12:41 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:12:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem after bin/arch'ing In-Reply-To: <40FF115B.6030009@kopfrechnung.de> Message-ID: <PC17002004072119124100627c194d67@msapiro> Ronny Raschkowan wrote: > >This is really strange.. But I need the normal numeration back. > If I understand correctly that the new numbers are 3363 less than the old numbers, you could always add 3633 dummy messages to the beginning of the .mbox file and then bin/arch --wipe [listname] I think at most you need From e-mail date From: e-mail Date: date Subject: a subject one line of body The date in the initial From line has a specific format which is Day Mon dd hh:mm:ss yyyy e.g. From msapiro at value.net Mon Jan 15 08:45:41 2001 -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From ronny at kopfrechnung.de Thu Jul 22 04:22:40 2004 From: ronny at kopfrechnung.de (Ronny Raschkowan) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 04:22:40 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem after bin/arch'ing In-Reply-To: <PC17002004072119124100627c194d67@msapiro> References: <PC17002004072119124100627c194d67@msapiro> Message-ID: <40FF24F0.9050108@kopfrechnung.de> Mark Sapiro wrote: >Ronny Raschkowan wrote: > > >>This is really strange.. But I need the normal numeration back. >> >> >> > >If I understand correctly that the new numbers are 3363 less than the >old numbers, you could always add 3633 dummy messages to the beginning >of the .mbox file and then > bin/arch --wipe [listname] > >I think at most you need > > From e-mail date > From: e-mail > Date: date > Subject: a subject > > one line of body > >The date in the initial From line has a specific format which is > Day Mon dd hh:mm:ss yyyy >e.g. > From msapiro at value.net Mon Jan 15 08:45:41 2001 > >-- >Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > > > > Hi. Could you provid me an exact dummy mail how it would look? I fear i'd do sth wrong., so i would like to see an example. As far, i don't figure out how i should add it 3633 times? - Doesn't it take a bit long to do that? :-) Oh - And should i delete the mylist (not .mbox) directory before editing the .mbox? Isn't there any "softer" way to do that..? Sincerly yours, Ronny From kremels at kreme.com Thu Jul 22 05:03:46 2004 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:03:46 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Rejecting posts Message-ID: <BFA27BE0-DB8B-11D8-80CA-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> I spend most of my time now with mailing lists manually rejecting posts from non-members from the dozens and dozens of spam messages each lists gets on a daily basis. Is there some way to auto-reject or auto-drop posts from non-subscribers that is more elegant than simply dumping the entire admin db? There are sometimes posts that exceed the size limit or cc limit that I do approve, so simply discarding the entire spool of admin messages is not a solution. I am running 2.1.3, but am willing to upgrade to 2.15 or even a cvs nightly to take care of this. -- The Piper's calling you to join him From stephen at xemacs.org Thu Jul 22 05:20:37 2004 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:20:37 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question In-Reply-To: <000801c46a0e$463b3bf0$0200a8c0@dogdaze> (C. L. Etheridge's message of "Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:51:40 -0400") References: <000801c46a0e$463b3bf0$0200a8c0@dogdaze> Message-ID: <87smbk4tiy.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> >>>>> "C" == C L Etheridge <powercat at verizon.net> writes: C> In other words, an e-mail send to a list via Smartlist in the C> "TO" field has the name of the list NOT the e-mail address of C> the recipient. Please note that not only do all mailing list servers do this, but many users _depend_ on it to sort their mail. You may consider "mailing list manager" to be a misnomer, if you like, but the connotation of "one alias, many recipients" is deeply embedded here. You're almost certainly not looking for a mailing list manager, but rather mail-merge or customer relationship management (CRM) software. The FAQ has suggestions for both, IIRC. Here's how to decide for yourself: C> This results in several ISPs dumping the e-mail into the spam bin. (Refer them to the "Part of the Problem" department....) If your application is actually a mailing list in the sense that Mailman et al are (ie, the recipients are an identifiable social group and are in some way interacting through it, either by discussion or announcement of information related to the group), I would write the affected users individually and ask them to "change" their ISP. I would explain that many recipients sort their mail according to this field, and that future services will benefit from having names for mailing lists. "Change" might mean ask the ISP to fix their filters (which are broken; it only marginally increases the cost to spammers to send spam messages individually), or to actually subscribe to a different ISP. If your application is more or less personalized mass-mailing, eg, to customers and potential customers who don't care about each other (at least not in the context of this newsletter), and value your organization first, you might prefer (CRM) software or mail merge software. Another way to think about it: If you envision the "upgrade path" for your service to involve more interaction among the subscribers, Mailman (inter alia) is the way to go. It will make it easier to create subsidiary channels (both topics and new lists) and allow the subscribers to manage their own accounts. The aliases will make it easier for them to make contact with each other, especially the whole group. You'll have to deal with the problem ISPs another way in this case, no matter what. If planned and probable improvements involve more and more personalization, beyond simply individual addressing, then you will find that Mailman (et al) will be obstacles to implementation. They are about serving a self-managing many-to-many network, rather than explicit management of one-to-many relations. HTH -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From msapiro at value.net Thu Jul 22 05:45:21 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:45:21 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem after bin/arch'ing In-Reply-To: <40FF24F0.9050108@kopfrechnung.de> Message-ID: <PC17002004072120452102969c0aaf1d@msapiro> Ronny Raschkowan <ronny at kopfrechnung.de> wrote: >Mark Sapiro wrote: > >>Ronny Raschkowan wrote: >> >> >>>This is really strange.. But I need the normal numeration back. >>> >>> >>> >> >>If I understand correctly that the new numbers are 3363 less than the >>old numbers, you could always add 3633 dummy messages to the beginning >>of the .mbox file and then >> bin/arch --wipe [listname] >> >>I think at most you need >> >> From e-mail date >> From: e-mail >> Date: date >> Subject: a subject >> >> one line of body >> >>The date in the initial From line has a specific format which is >> Day Mon dd hh:mm:ss yyyy >>e.g. >> From msapiro at value.net Mon Jan 15 08:45:41 2001 >> >>-- >>Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, >>San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> >> >> >> >> >Hi. > >Could you provid me an exact dummy mail how it would look? I fear i'd do >sth wrong., so i would like to see an example. > >As far, i don't figure out how i should add it 3633 times? - Doesn't it >take a bit long to do that? :-) >Oh - And should i delete the mylist (not .mbox) directory before editing >the .mbox? > >Isn't there any "softer" way to do that..? > >Sincerly yours, >Ronny > After some additional thought, I think you should look for a backup of your listname.mbox file from before you edited it to see if perhaps the 3633 messages at the beginning of the file were lost somehow in the editing process that you initially did. If you can find a backup, even if it is old, and it has messages at the beginning that the current .mbox doesn't have, you might be able to reconstruct the full .mbox file. Also, I'm still not completely clear that you did run bin/arch with the --wipe option. If you didn't, then you added more messages which duplicate old messages, but this doesn't seem to be the result you report so I *think* you must have used --wipe. You don't delete the "mylist" directory before editing .mbox. when you run "bin/arch --wipe mylist" it rebuilds all the files in archives/private/mylist from archives/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox so it's not necessary to delete anything first, that's what --wipe is for. If you actually want to create 3363 dummy entries, consider the following c program -- #include <stdio.h> main() { int i; for (i=0; i<3363; ++i) { printf("From placeholder at nowhere.com Mon Jan 1 12:00:00 1990\n"); printf("From: placeholder at nowhere.com\n"); printf("Date: Mon, 01 Jan 1990 12:00:00\n"); printf("Subject: Place Holder Message\n\n"); printf("Not a real message.\n\n"); } } Compile it and run it, redirecting standard output to a file and then put the file at the beginning of the .mbox or do some equivalent process in some other language. It produces >From placeholder at nowhere.com Mon Jan 1 12:00:00 1990 From: placeholder at nowhere.com Date: Mon, 01 Jan 1990 12:00:00 Subject: Place Holder Message Not a real message. >From placeholder at nowhere.com Mon Jan 1 12:00:00 1990 From: placeholder at nowhere.com Date: Mon, 01 Jan 1990 12:00:00 Subject: Place Holder Message Not a real message. for a total of 3363 repetitions. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Jul 22 05:59:37 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:59:37 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Rejecting posts In-Reply-To: <BFA27BE0-DB8B-11D8-80CA-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> Message-ID: <PC170020040721205937067131625544@msapiro> LuKreme wrote: > >I spend most of my time now with mailing lists manually rejecting posts >from non-members from the dozens and dozens of spam messages each lists >gets on a daily basis. Is there some way to auto-reject or auto-drop >posts from non-subscribers that is more elegant than simply dumping the >entire admin db? > Go to the list administration->Privacy options...->Sender filters page, scroll to the bottom and select "Reject" or "Discard" for "Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined." >There are sometimes posts that exceed the size limit or cc limit that I >do approve, so simply discarding the entire spool of admin messages is >not a solution. If you're routinely approving these, you might consider increasing the limits. Size limit is on the "General Options" page and number of recipients is on the Privacy options...->Recipient filters page -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Jul 22 06:13:18 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:13:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question In-Reply-To: <87smbk4tiy.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: <PC17002004072121131800468dcff200@msapiro> Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen at xemacs.org> wrote >>>>>> "C" == C L Etheridge <powercat at verizon.net> writes: > > C> In other words, an e-mail send to a list via Smartlist in the > C> "TO" field has the name of the list NOT the e-mail address of > C> the recipient. > <excellent material snipped> > > C> This results in several ISPs dumping the e-mail into the spam bin. > <more snipping of good stuff> >I would write the >affected users individually and ask them to "change" their ISP. I >would explain that many recipients sort their mail according to this >field, and that future services will benefit from having names for >mailing lists. "Change" might mean ask the ISP to fix their filters >(which are broken; it only marginally increases the cost to spammers >to send spam messages individually), or to actually subscribe to a >different ISP. > Another possibility is to "whitelist" the Mailman list in the user's settings for the ISP's spam filter. This is often an option, but how to do it varies. In some cases of web based e-mail (AOL?) just putting the list address in your address book may do it. In other cases, you may have an option to add addresses or domains to a specific whitelist. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From kremels at kreme.com Thu Jul 22 09:23:24 2004 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:23:24 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Rejecting posts In-Reply-To: <PC170020040721205937067131625544@msapiro> References: <PC170020040721205937067131625544@msapiro> Message-ID: <05039872-DBB0-11D8-80CA-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> On 21 Jul 2004, at 21:59, Mark Sapiro wrote: > LuKreme wrote: >> I spend most of my time now with mailing lists manually rejecting >> posts >> from non-members from the dozens and dozens of spam messages each >> lists >> gets on a daily basis. Is there some way to auto-reject or auto-drop >> posts from non-subscribers that is more elegant than simply dumping >> the >> entire admin db? > > Go to the list administration->Privacy options...->Sender filters page, > scroll to the bottom and select "Reject" or "Discard" for "Action to > take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is > defined." Doh! I'd swear I looked there... >> There are sometimes posts that exceed the size limit or cc limit that >> I >> do approve, so simply discarding the entire spool of admin messages is >> not a solution. > > If you're routinely approving these Nope, it's a case by case basis. I have the limit set to 128K which is more than enough for most anything, but sometimes someone has a picture that really would lose too much being shrunk down. I send a warning message out (this is a family/friends private list) before hand and then approve it. Thanks for the pointer though. Whilst I have your attention is: ^.*@ebay.com ^.*@paypal.com legal for the regex match in the discard_these_nonmembers how about ^.*@citi-?ban[c|k].com (That is to say, when it say regex does it really mean regex and what flavour of regex?) ^[:digit:]{4,7}[bcdefghjklmnpqrstvwxz]{2,}@.* ?? -- "Don't be nice. It's Creepy." Tendo Akane From kremels at kreme.com Thu Jul 22 09:28:07 2004 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:28:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question In-Reply-To: <87smbk4tiy.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <000801c46a0e$463b3bf0$0200a8c0@dogdaze> <87smbk4tiy.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: <AD94D596-DBB0-11D8-80CA-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> On 21 Jul 2004, at 21:20, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: [ Excellent stuff snipped, go back and read it again ] > it only marginally increases the cost to spammers to send spam > messages individually In fact, nearly all spam is sent as individual messages anyway, with forged return headers. I often get identical spams on several of my accounts at about the same time, but everyone, when checking postfix logs, was an individual email. Also, in most cases there is _NO_ cost to spammers, since they tend to use zombied PCs or open relays. -- I AM ZOMBOR! (kelly) ZOMBOR! From Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk Thu Jul 22 10:08:25 2004 From: Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk (Rob Hackney) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:08:25 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to edit rfc info? Message-ID: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD9A646CF@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> Thanks that does appear to be it...So, just got to quickly learn python then.... Now that I know where to edit I found this: http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm Could be useful for other peeps? This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: postmaster at tkcsales.co.uk then delete the email. Scanned for viruses by MailDefender From jolascoaga at gmail.com Thu Jul 22 10:59:38 2004 From: jolascoaga at gmail.com (Javier Olascoaga) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:59:38 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and courier Message-ID: <335440e70407220159688cb1fc@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have a question about courier mta and mailman. I run fedora core 2 courier packages: courier-maildrop-0.45.6.20040618-1.2 courier-webadmin-0.45.6.20040618-1.2 courier-webmail-0.45.6.20040618-1.2 courier-0.45.6.20040618-1.2 courier-smtpauth-0.45.6.20040618-1.2 courier-maildrop-wrapper-0.45.6.20040618-1.2 courier-imapd-0.45.6.20040618-1.2 courier-pop3d-0.45.6.20040618-1.2 mailman package is: mailman-2.1.5-7 I create the list mailman, but when I put the aliases in /etc/courier/aliases/system mailman: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman" mailman-admin: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman" mailman-bounces: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman" mailman-confirm: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman" mailman-join: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman" mailman-leave: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman" mailman-owner: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman" mailman-request: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman" mailman-subscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman" mailman-unsubscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman" and run makealiases I get this error. aliasexp: ERR: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman": 553 Syntax error: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"@spezialk.net aliascombine: ERR: Success any tip about how to resolve this situation? Thanks all. J. Olascoaga From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jul 22 11:01:19 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:01:19 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to edit rfc info? In-Reply-To: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD9A646CF@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> References: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD9A646CF@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> Message-ID: <p06002005bd253249d25c@[10.0.1.3]> At 9:08 AM +0100 2004-07-22, Rob Hackney wrote: > Now that I know where to edit I found this: > http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm > Could be useful for other peeps? Considering the sorts of things he's recommending and the kind of information we already have in the FAQ (see <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp>), this is not something that I would recommend to other people, and I would be strongly opposed to anyone else recommending this site to anyone else. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jul 22 11:06:49 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:06:49 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and courier In-Reply-To: <335440e70407220159688cb1fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <335440e70407220159688cb1fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <p06002006bd2533a22328@[10.0.1.3]> At 10:59 AM +0200 2004-07-22, Javier Olascoaga wrote: > and run makealiases I get this error. > > aliasexp: ERR: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman": 553 Syntax > error: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"@spezialk.net > aliascombine: ERR: Success > > any tip about how to resolve this situation? This is a question about Courier, not Mailman. You would be much more likely to get a useful answer to your question if you were to use the information resources appropriate to this MTA, such as their FAQ, the archives of their mailing lists and newsgroups, etc.... If I had to guess, I'd say that Courier on your machine is not configured to allow piping to programs, which may or may not be supported at all with this MTA. But you really should use information sources specific to Courier to try to find the answer to your question. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From iane at sussex.ac.uk Thu Jul 22 11:09:00 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:09:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem after bin/arch'ing In-Reply-To: <40FF24F0.9050108@kopfrechnung.de> References: <PC17002004072119124100627c194d67@msapiro> <40FF24F0.9050108@kopfrechnung.de> Message-ID: <3794CF1DB98FEEB334AB3CC1@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> --On Thursday, July 22, 2004 4:22 am +0200 Ronny Raschkowan <ronny at kopfrechnung.de> wrote: > Hi. > > Could you provid me an exact dummy mail how it would look? I fear i'd do > sth wrong., so i would like to see an example. I haven't tested this, but you should be able to use something like this. Copy everything between the ---snip--- lines, including the blank lines, but NOT the snip lines themselves. The blank lines represent an empty body. foo at example.net is a safe email address because example.net is a reserved domain (like 555 is a reserved area code in the USA phone system) ---snip--- >From foo at example.net Tue Jul 6 17:10:01 2004 From: foo at example.net To: foo at example.net Subject: dummy Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:10:01 +0100 (BST) ---snip--- > As far, i don't figure out how i should add it 3633 times? Its fairly easy with the "vi" text editor. Open the file with "vi FILENAME" at your unix prompt (without the quotes - but with the correct file name in place of FILENAME). type "3633i" (without the quotes) to indicate that you want to repeat an insertion action 3633 times. Then paste your text, and then hit the escape key. Wait a while and your text will appear 3633 times. Now type ":wq" (without the quotes) to write (save) the file, then quit. If you want to assure yourself that you've got the right number of entries, type "wc -l FILENAME" before and after you do the edit. You'll see the number of lines before and after the edit. It should increase by 8x3633= 29064 > - Doesn't it > take a bit long to do that? :-) > Oh - And should i delete the mylist (not .mbox) directory before editing > the .mbox? > > Isn't there any "softer" way to do that..? > > Sincerly yours, > Ronny -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From iane at sussex.ac.uk Thu Jul 22 11:09:12 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:09:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] phantom moderation requests In-Reply-To: <p0600201abd246008ff61@[10.0.1.3]> References: <1090430727.25909.282.camel@marduk.mso.montana.com> <p0600201abd246008ff61@[10.0.1.3]> Message-ID: <7CBF2E664C06F8DE853074D5@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> --On Wednesday, July 21, 2004 8:04 pm +0200 Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be> wrote: > At 11:25 AM -0600 2004-07-21, Nathan wrote: > >> Moderation request emails are occasionally being sent to the >> administrator/moderator at 8:00am for nonexistent moderation requests. >> In other words, nothing shows up under "Tend to pending moderator >> requests" on the web interface after receiving one of these emails. >> This has happened on several lists that I have recently set up and >> haven't used yet (no members). > > This is the "-1 requests" problem? > > I've seen the discussions on the list in the past, including some > mention of solutions. I do not remember precisely what they were or > when, but they should be able to be found using the mechanisms discussed > at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.018.htp>. > > I don't know when I might get some time to try to find the various > relevant postings, but if you find them before I do, I would ask you to > update the FAQ with an appropriate entry. I asked about this a few weeks ago, and got this helpful response from Jim Tittsler. I've updated the FAQ: > > There is a problem with 2.1.5 in that it expects every list to > have an administrative request database containing at least a one > entry (a dummy entry containing the version number recording the > database format). > > Ways to resolve the -1 request warnings include: > - do something that generates an administrative request, after > handling it the request database will be left in the correct form > - copy an "empty" request.pck from another list > - fix the bug by applying the patch in > > <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=970383&group_id=103&atid=300103> > > Jim Tittsler -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From jolascoaga at gmail.com Thu Jul 22 11:13:38 2004 From: jolascoaga at gmail.com (Javier Olascoaga) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:13:38 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and courier In-Reply-To: <p06002006bd2533a22328@10.0.1.3> References: <335440e70407220159688cb1fc@mail.gmail.com> <p06002006bd2533a22328@10.0.1.3> Message-ID: <335440e70407220213d8614ef@mail.gmail.com> wow how quickly answer :D I'm gonna send the same mail to courier list, and try google for piping in courier. Thanks a lot J. On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:06:49 +0200, Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be> wrote: > At 10:59 AM +0200 2004-07-22, Javier Olascoaga wrote: > > > and run makealiases I get this error. > > > > aliasexp: ERR: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman": 553 Syntax > > error: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"@spezialk.net > > aliascombine: ERR: Success > > > > any tip about how to resolve this situation? > > This is a question about Courier, not Mailman. You would be much > more likely to get a useful answer to your question if you were to > use the information resources appropriate to this MTA, such as their > FAQ, the archives of their mailing lists and newsgroups, etc.... > > If I had to guess, I'd say that Courier on your machine is not > configured to allow piping to programs, which may or may not be > supported at all with this MTA. > > But you really should use information sources specific to Courier > to try to find the answer to your question. > > -- > Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. > From ulisavi at tin.it Thu Jul 22 11:49:19 2004 From: ulisavi at tin.it (ulisavi at tin.it) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:49:19 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Somebody can help me ? Message-ID: <005501c46fd1$2937d770$02e7fea9@utente> Pardon my english. I'm italian. I would like to allow users of my future sites to create a owner mailing list, by becoming moderator of the list created. With Plesk 7 and Mailman i have the capability to choose a password and to give it to all member of my sites or to all anonymous visitors. With this Password each user can create a New "owner" mailing list and becoming moderator of the mailing list created. The problem is that with this system each user can modify the header and the footer of each message sent and he can choose also to include in the messages sent by mailing list members images and allegates. I will, in fact, that each member can create, in freedom, a "owner mailing list" with this system. It is good. But i hate that each moderator/creator can modify the footer and the header of the messages (pre definite) sent by the owner mailing list created and i do not will that he member insert in the message sent images and allegates but only pure text or external link. I also like to deny the possibility to change the html pages type archive html, member sign up and so on (because i would like to predefine it by myself with my logo and banners). I would like that. ... Each man can create and moderate thier "owner" mailing list created but Not to change the html pages or modify the header and footer of the messages sent and not allow the sending of images or allegates (only text pure and links). Here : http://lists.forum99.com/mailman/create each user with a email address can create a NEW mailing list, by becoming moderotor of the list created. List creator's (authentication) password is : "new" . For example i have just created, using this creator password ("new"), the list : "test22jul04" password of mailing list admin : "tester". http://lists.forum99.com/mailman/admin/test22jul04 password tester The problem is that in the admin panel each administrator can modify "Non-digest options" and "Digest options" (header and footer). He can change the "Content filtering" and he can "Edit the public HTML pages" . THIS IS THE MENU ADMIN : Test22jul04 mailing list administration General Options Section Configuration Categories Other Administrative Activities [General Options] Passwords Language options Membership Management Non-digest options Digest options Privacy options Bounce processing Archiving Options Mail<->News gateways Auto-responder Content filtering Topics Tend to pending moderator requests Go to the general list information page Edit the public HTML pages Go to list archives Logout ----------- IS IT POSSIBLE TO ELIMINATE FROM THE ADMIN MENU THESE VOICES : Non-digest options Digest options Content filtering Edit the public HTML pages And to fix (pre define) it in a configuration file on the server ? On the server i have in the mailgate directory a template directory : /var/mailman/templates/ different file html that i can customize but this general menu is not present. Is it possible to eliminate these voices from the general option admin page ? Or to disable the admin capability to change these 4 voices ? When i have to specify the password in mailman to give it to the user i have to write the command : [root at air421 templates]# /var/mailman/bin/mmsitepass -h This command have also a "list ONLY CREATOR password". The list creator is authorized to create and remove lists, but does not have the total power of the site administrator. Exist a system to disable these voices using this command option ? I have used this option "only creator" but the 4 voices in the menu' continue to exist. .... Somebody can help me to disable these voices from the User Admin Option Menu' ??? Usage: /var/mailman/bin/mmsitepass [options] [password] Options: -c/--listcreator Set the list creator password instead of the site password. The list creator is authorized to create and remove lists, but does not have the total power of the site administrator. -h/--help Print this help message and exit. If password is not given on the command line, it will be prompted for. [root at air421 templates]# From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jul 22 11:31:24 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:31:24 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem after bin/arch'ing In-Reply-To: <3794CF1DB98FEEB334AB3CC1@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> References: <PC17002004072119124100627c194d67@msapiro> <40FF24F0.9050108@kopfrechnung.de> <3794CF1DB98FEEB334AB3CC1@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> Message-ID: <p06002008bd2539477607@[10.0.1.3]> At 10:09 AM +0100 2004-07-22, Ian A B Eiloart wrote: > I haven't tested this, but you should be able to use something like this. > Copy everything between the ---snip--- lines, including the blank lines, > but NOT the snip lines themselves. The problem with telling people to copy something exactly is when the message is processed by a downstream mail server that modifies what you've typed, so that other software doesn't get confused as to what constitutes an entire message in the mailbox. In particular, the conversion of "^From_" (where "^" represents the beginning of the line, and "_" represents a hard space character) to "^>From_". -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jul 22 12:04:41 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:04:41 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Somebody can help me ? In-Reply-To: <004d01c46fd1$0fff63e0$02e7fea9@utente> References: <004d01c46fd1$0fff63e0$02e7fea9@utente> Message-ID: <p0600200bbd2541214ce8@[10.0.1.3]> At 11:48 AM +0200 2004-07-22, <ulisavi at tin.it> wrote: > IS IT POSSIBLE TO ELIMINATE FROM THE ADMIN MENU THESE VOICES : > Non-digest options > Digest options > Content filtering > Edit the public HTML pages Sure. You can modify the source code which creates the web admin interface which the list owners would be using. > And to fix (pre define) it in a configuration file on the server ? In a configuration file? No. This is related to the issue of providing extensive customization of outgoing messages, only from the perspective of preventing any kind of customization as opposed to allowing more customization. See also <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.037.htp>. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From iane at sussex.ac.uk Thu Jul 22 12:06:04 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:06:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem after bin/arch'ing In-Reply-To: <p06002008bd2539477607@[10.0.1.3]> References: <PC17002004072119124100627c194d67@msapiro> <40FF24F0.9050108@kopfrechnung.de> <3794CF1DB98FEEB334AB3CC1@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> <p06002008bd2539477607@[10.0.1.3]> Message-ID: <AE05A08A70C37776D591408A@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> --On Thursday, July 22, 2004 11:31 am +0200 Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be> wrote: > At 10:09 AM +0100 2004-07-22, Ian A B Eiloart wrote: > >> I haven't tested this, but you should be able to use something like >> this. Copy everything between the ---snip--- lines, including the blank >> lines, but NOT the snip lines themselves. > > The problem with telling people to copy something exactly is when the > message is processed by a downstream mail server that modifies what > you've typed, so that other software doesn't get confused as to what > constitutes an entire message in the mailbox. > > In particular, the conversion of "^From_" (where "^" represents the > beginning of the line, and "_" represents a hard space character) to > "^>From_". Ah, yes of course. Sorry, you need to copy everything except the right angle bracket in that first line. Otherwise it'll all look like one very long message. -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From tangent at mrtangent.com Thu Jul 22 12:12:37 2004 From: tangent at mrtangent.com (John/Mr.Tangent) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:12:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing an e-mail address Message-ID: <A84E5AFC-DBC7-11D8-A5CA-000502B18FAA@mrtangent.com> I have a mailing list I'm working on that you can see here: http://mailinglist.applesquires.com I have found the options for almost everything, and read the documentation and FAQ but I cannot seem to find the option to do the following: On these pages http://applesquires.com/mailman/listinfo and http://applesquires.com/mailman/admin I would like to change the e-mail contact from "mailman at applesquires.com" to one of my choosing. I cannot find the html nor the option to do so. Any help or pointers? The server is on my webhost, and not my local machine, if that matters. Thank you very much in advance! -- John From Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk Thu Jul 22 17:44:33 2004 From: Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk (Rob Hackney) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:44:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ordinal not in range Message-ID: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD9A646E1@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> Is there a maximum number of lines mailman can handle when importing a text file of subscribers? I've got a text file of just under 39k lines and it errored out with a bug. I split the file up in x2 10k text files and x1 18k text files and imported the 1st (10k) and 3rd (18k) successfully. The middle file bugged with the following traceback info: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 169, in main change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1263, in change_options send_admin_notif, invitation) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 888, in ApprovedAddMember kind, formataddr((email, name))) File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 106, in formataddr return '%s%s%s <%s>' % (quotes, name, quotes, address) UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) I kept splitting the file up into smaller amounts but it didn't make much difference and still kept bugging. There did not seem to be a problem when cut and pasting the 3-4k which it had a problem with into the subscribers box tho. I didn't narrow it down further than that so cannot specify a particular address that may have been problematic I haven't managed to find much info about this other than that other people have had it under different circumstances and that it is a python error. NB FAO Brad (re disabling headers) I've tested the disabling of the headers - test posts are coming thru now. None appeared yesterday so don't really know what's happened there. Haven't yet checked all the log files as I need to crack on with another list Thanks Rob This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: postmaster at tkcsales.co.uk then delete the email. Scanned for viruses by MailDefender From jeff at look.net Thu Jul 22 18:09:32 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:09:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ordinal not in range In-Reply-To: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD9A646E1@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> References: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD9A646E1@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> Message-ID: <8449265D-DBF9-11D8-9414-000A959666F6@look.net> On Jul 22, 2004, at 11:44 AM, Rob Hackney wrote: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main > main() > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 169, in main > change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1263, in > change_options > send_admin_notif, invitation) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 888, in > ApprovedAddMember > kind, formataddr((email, name))) > File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 106, in formataddr > return '%s%s%s <%s>' % (quotes, name, quotes, address) > UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) I think this would indicate a bad/illegal character in your import file? -Jeff From dave at umiacs.umd.edu Thu Jul 22 18:25:43 2004 From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] SUID woes Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0407221223580.6579@raysrv1> This is getting annoying. I know this is in the FAQ; perhaps someone can explain it better (or at least differently than in the FAQ.) I ultimately want apache to run with user and group nobody (60001:60001) I have a mailman user (14999:14999). I've tried compiling mm2.1.5 with most possible combinations of --with-mail-gid=YYY --with-cgi-gid=XXX (where XXX and YYY are mailman and nobody and then tweaking user/group of httpd.conf) We are running smrsh so there's a link from /var/adm/sm.bin/mailman Mailman user has sgid on his home and check_perms passes. Connecting to the webpage, it takes a while but ultimately succeeds but logfile shows: [ID 809163 kern.info] NOTICE: admin, uid 14999: setuid execution not allowed, dev=11700000080 So what params *should* it be built with? TIA =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David Stern University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies From drechsau at Geeks.ORG Thu Jul 22 18:28:48 2004 From: drechsau at Geeks.ORG (Mike Horwath) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:28:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SUID woes In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0407221223580.6579@raysrv1> References: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0407221223580.6579@raysrv1> Message-ID: <20040722162848.GA97841@octanews.net> On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 12:25:43PM -0400, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote: > [ID 809163 kern.info] NOTICE: admin, uid 14999: setuid execution not > allowed, > dev=11700000080 Is the filesystem mounted to allow suid execution of binaries? That would be my guess... -- Mike Horwath, reachable via drechsau at Geeks.ORG From dave at umiacs.umd.edu Thu Jul 22 18:42:23 2004 From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] SUID woes In-Reply-To: <20040722162848.GA97841@octanews.net> References: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0407221223580.6579@raysrv1> <20040722162848.GA97841@octanews.net> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0407221241400.6600@raysrv1> On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Mike Horwath wrote: > On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 12:25:43PM -0400, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote: >> [ID 809163 kern.info] NOTICE: admin, uid 14999: setuid execution not >> allowed, >> dev=11700000080 > > Is the filesystem mounted to allow suid execution of binaries? > That was one of the first things I checked. Made a script to write a file, made it sgid mail and ran it. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David Stern University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies From fedora at montana.com Thu Jul 22 22:14:40 2004 From: fedora at montana.com (Nathan) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:14:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Somebody can help me ? In-Reply-To: <p0600200bbd2541214ce8@[10.0.1.3]> References: <004d01c46fd1$0fff63e0$02e7fea9@utente> <p0600200bbd2541214ce8@[10.0.1.3]> Message-ID: <1090527280.25909.675.camel@marduk.mso.montana.com> On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 04:04, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 11:48 AM +0200 2004-07-22, <ulisavi at tin.it> wrote: > > > IS IT POSSIBLE TO ELIMINATE FROM THE ADMIN MENU THESE VOICES : > > Non-digest options > > Digest options > > Content filtering > > Edit the public HTML pages > > Sure. You can modify the source code which creates the web admin > interface which the list owners would be using. > > > And to fix (pre define) it in a configuration file on the server ? > > In a configuration file? No. > > This is related to the issue of providing extensive customization > of outgoing messages, only from the perspective of preventing any > kind of customization as opposed to allowing more customization. See > also > <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.037.htp>. I did exactly this when I fist set Mailman up. Look through the options in Defaults.py to tweak it just the way you want it. Nathan From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in Fri Jul 23 04:38:42 2004 From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:08:42 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to remove List info from posts Message-ID: <26142.195.212.28.100.1090550322.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> Hello, When my Mailman sends a post to all members it attaches few lines to the message which lookup these: List-Id: eurlist.listman.mydomain.com List-Unsubscribe: <http://listman.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/eurlist>, <mailto:eurlist-request at listman.ponlmail.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Post: <mailto:eurlist at listman.mydomain.com> List-Help: <mailto:eurlist-request at listman.mydomain.com?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://listman.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/eurlist>, <mailto:eurlist-request at listman.mydomain.com?subject=subscribe> Sender: eurlist-bounces at listman.mydomain.com Errors-To: eurlist-bounces at listman.mydomain.com Is it possible to *not* to have these. Which parameter is mm_cfg,py needs to be changed? TAI --yogesh From msapiro at value.net Fri Jul 23 05:01:41 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:01:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Rejecting posts In-Reply-To: <05039872-DBB0-11D8-80CA-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> Message-ID: <PC170020040722200141020366b212f4@msapiro> LuKreme wrote: > >Whilst I have your attention is: > >^.*@ebay.com >^.*@paypal.com > >legal for the regex match in the discard_these_nonmembers > yes, but maybe e.g. ^.*@ebay\.com is better >how about > >^.*@citi-?ban[c|k].com > here you probably mean either ^.*@citi-?ban[ck]\.com or ^.*citi-?ban(c|k)\.com. ban[c|k] matchs "ban" followed by one of "c" or "|" or "k". >(That is to say, when it say regex does it really mean regex and what >flavour of regex?) > Python regular expressions. See http://docs.python.org/lib/re-syntax.html -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From toby at breezing.com Fri Jul 23 05:03:18 2004 From: toby at breezing.com (Toby Reiter) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:03:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line on Invite Messages In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1090551104.28534.mailman-users@python.org> References: <mailman.0.1090551104.28534.mailman-users@python.org> Message-ID: <a0600123fbd262dde36b7@[63.172.201.2]> This has been asked here before, but is there any way to modify the Subject of the invite message? "confirm aad5624d316c46234928426cb4a6c57c691d0e7c" is a DEAD WRINGER for spam, and is likely to be deleted by many of our users. I don't want to be a bad net citizen and automatically subscribe users to this list, but the majority of the people who receive the invitation will want to join (it's for health services trainings through a non-profit they've already done trainings with, working with the CDC, etc.). But I fear many will miss out on this invitation for a list they really want to be on, thinking the message is spam. If the message had a welcome text, like "An Invitation to Join the Foo List" I think people would probably read it. Just to preempt those who say to look in the archives - I already have. I've looked through every message with the keyword invite and found nothing. Ditto for invitations. When I do a Google search, all I find is a message telling me that this issue has already been discussed, and it's in the archives. It is possible that it is somewhere in the browsable archives, and not the searchable archives. But honestly, I'd rather not look back through years of archives to find the message. I'd greatly appreciate any info anyone can give me on this. If this requires tweaking on my end, that's fine. I'll tweak, and when I'm done, I'll post my results to the group. Thanks in advance, Toby Reiter p.s. I'd like to apologize if I sound a little harsh above. It's the end of a long day, and I find it very frustrating when people reply to non-obvious questions with a "look in the archives" or search Google responses. I'm a member of several technical lists, and I'll post responses to questions even if they've been addressed before, or are clearly available in the manual. It doesn't really cause grief to anyone to actually answer their question if you actually know the answer. Obviously if people say "how do I install mailman" you may want to point them towards the install guide instead of answering it in the post, but if it's anything at all complicated, just answer. -- Toby Reiter mailto:toby at breezing.com Breezing Internet Communications http://www.breezing.com 1106 West Main St phone:434.295.2050 Charlottesville, VA 22903 fax:603.843.6931 From dhphllps at memphis.edu Fri Jul 23 05:06:35 2004 From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:06:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to remove List info from posts In-Reply-To: <26142.195.212.28.100.1090550322.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> References: <26142.195.212.28.100.1090550322.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> Message-ID: <4ECC546E-DC55-11D8-81E6-0003936D9900@memphis.edu> On Jul 22, 2004, at 9:38 PM, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote: > When my Mailman sends a post to all members it attaches few lines to > the > message which lookup these: > > List-Id: eurlist.listman.mydomain.com > List-Unsubscribe: > <http://listman.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/eurlist>, > <mailto:eurlist-request at listman.ponlmail.com?subject=unsubscribe> > List-Post: <mailto:eurlist at listman.mydomain.com> > List-Help: <mailto:eurlist-request at listman.mydomain.com?subject=help> > List-Subscribe: <http://listman.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/eurlist>, > <mailto:eurlist-request at listman.mydomain.com?subject=subscribe> > Sender: eurlist-bounces at listman.mydomain.com > Errors-To: eurlist-bounces at listman.mydomain.com > > > Is it possible to *not* to have these. Which parameter is mm_cfg,py > needs > to be changed? > See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp Dan From syost at triad.rr.com Fri Jul 23 05:19:07 2004 From: syost at triad.rr.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:19:07 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Role of mailman list Message-ID: <200407222319070500.11D3A555@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> The list that is called "mailman" that the installation instructions say you should set-up. Do we really need it? It seems to just be a spam trap and every once in a message destined for the another list ends up in the moderation requests page somehow, waiting for approval. For instance I got this message: As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: Mailman at lists.antique-tractor.com From: jlrhod@<deleted.for.privacy> Subject: Re: [AT] Simplicity lawn tractor Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list ..snip... But plain as the nose on my face the "To:" header in the message, as reported by the message details page, had the proper address of one of my mailing lists in it and that user was indeed subscribed to this list. Even if he wasn' subscribed it should have shown up on THAT lists's admindb page. I am not sure what role this mailman list even plays, except password reminders look like the come from it. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From msapiro at value.net Fri Jul 23 05:27:43 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:27:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to remove List info from posts In-Reply-To: <26142.195.212.28.100.1090550322.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> Message-ID: <PC170020040722202743018713657886@msapiro> Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote: > >When my Mailman sends a post to all members it attaches few lines to the >message which lookup these: > >List-Id: eurlist.listman.mydomain.com >List-Unsubscribe: <http://listman.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/eurlist>, > <mailto:eurlist-request at listman.ponlmail.com?subject=unsubscribe> >List-Post: <mailto:eurlist at listman.mydomain.com> >List-Help: <mailto:eurlist-request at listman.mydomain.com?subject=help> >List-Subscribe: <http://listman.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/eurlist>, > <mailto:eurlist-request at listman.mydomain.com?subject=subscribe> >Sender: eurlist-bounces at listman.mydomain.com >Errors-To: eurlist-bounces at listman.mydomain.com > > >Is it possible to *not* to have these. Which parameter is mm_cfg,py needs >to be changed? For the List- headers see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp Also, the following is in Defaults.py # RFC 2369 defines List-* headers which are added to every message sent # through to the mailing list membership. These are a very useful aid to end # users and should always be added. However, not all MUAs are compliant and # if a list's membership has many such users, they may clamor for these # headers to be suppressed. By setting this variable to Yes, list owners will # be given the option to suppress these headers. By setting it to No, list # owners will not be given the option to suppress these headers (although some # header suppression may still take place, i.e. for announce-only lists, or # lists with no archives). ALLOW_RFC2369_OVERRIDES = Yes You don't want to delete Sender: or Errors-To: as that would affect bounce processing. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Jul 23 05:38:09 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:38:09 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line on Invite Messages In-Reply-To: <a0600123fbd262dde36b7@[63.172.201.2]> Message-ID: <PC170020040722203809067113657a48@msapiro> Toby Reiter wrote: >This has been asked here before, but is there any way to modify the >Subject of the invite message? "confirm >aad5624d316c46234928426cb4a6c57c691d0e7c" is a DEAD WRINGER for spam, >and is likely to be deleted by many of our users. I don't want to be >a bad net citizen and automatically subscribe users to this list, but >the majority of the people who receive the invitation will want to >join (it's for health services trainings through a non-profit they've >already done trainings with, working with the CDC, etc.). But I fear >many will miss out on this invitation for a list they really want to >be on, thinking the message is spam. If the message had a welcome >text, like "An Invitation to Join the Foo List" I think people would >probably read it. set VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes in mm_cfg.py. Read about it in Defaults.py -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From toby at breezing.com Fri Jul 23 05:46:36 2004 From: toby at breezing.com (Toby Reiter) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:46:36 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line on Invite Messages In-Reply-To: <PC170020040722203809067113657a48@msapiro> References: <PC170020040722203809067113657a48@msapiro> Message-ID: <a06001201bd2639b999e6@[63.172.201.2]> At 20:38 -0700 7/22/04, Mark Sapiro wrote: >Toby Reiter wrote: > >>This has been asked here before, but is there any way to modify the >>Subject of the invite message? "confirm >>aad5624d316c46234928426cb4a6c57c691d0e7c" is a DEAD WRINGER for spam, >>and is likely to be deleted by many of our users. I don't want to be >>a bad net citizen and automatically subscribe users to this list, but >>the majority of the people who receive the invitation will want to >>join (it's for health services trainings through a non-profit they've >>already done trainings with, working with the CDC, etc.). But I fear >>many will miss out on this invitation for a list they really want to >>be on, thinking the message is spam. If the message had a welcome >>text, like "An Invitation to Join the Foo List" I think people would >>probably read it. > >set >VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes >in mm_cfg.py. > >Read about it in Defaults.py > >-- >Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan Mark, Thank you SO much. I wasn't expecting an answer so soon, AND one that was so simple and effective. My only question would be why this isn't disabled by default?! The subject line is so much more to the point, unambiguous, and user friendly. Thanks again, Toby -- Toby Reiter mailto:toby at breezing.com Breezing Internet Communications http://www.breezing.com 1106 West Main St phone:434.295.2050 Charlottesville, VA 22903 fax:603.843.6931 From msapiro at value.net Fri Jul 23 05:59:09 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:59:09 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing an e-mail address In-Reply-To: <A84E5AFC-DBC7-11D8-A5CA-000502B18FAA@mrtangent.com> Message-ID: <PC1700200407222059090359de4fce50@msapiro> John/Mr.Tangent wrote: > >On these pages http://applesquires.com/mailman/listinfo and >http://applesquires.com/mailman/admin I would like to change the e-mail >contact from "mailman at applesquires.com" to one of my choosing. I >cannot find the html nor the option to do so. Any help or pointers? >The server is on my webhost, and not my local machine, if that matters. > That address is not a "contact" per se. It is the Mailman site list. You should have this list, and you can subscribe the address of your choosing to it. You can also change the name of it in mm_cfg.py, but you need to have the list. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mail at storydynamics.com Fri Jul 23 06:01:09 2004 From: mail at storydynamics.com (Doug Lipman) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:01:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Lists work, but no archives In-Reply-To: <1090533899.41003a0b773e7@webmail.wrybread.com> References: <1090533899.41003a0b773e7@webmail.wrybread.com> Message-ID: <p06110409bd262a9fb1c0@[10.0.1.2]> For the sake of any other newbies with similar problems, here is how I got things to work. 1. I had foolishly neglected to finish the installation process. Hints were supplied by Dan Phillips off-list: At 11:59 AM -0500 7/18/04, Dan Phillips wrote: >the most common causes of this are outlined in the FAQ at >http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.007.htp > >The MOST common cause in a new installation is that you haven't >started the mailmanctl daemon. 2. But even after I finished the installation, none of the aliases worked yet. The solution turns out to depend on sendmail, the default MTA on Redhat Linux, and the fact that I'm running non-static virtual domains (virtual domains that don't each have their own IP number). The aliases in this case need to be in TWO places: 1. /etc/aliases - this is where the aliases go that Mailman's reply message (after you create a new group) mentions. 2. the virtusertable for the domain you're using: /scripts/domain_name.virtusertable . I found this somewhere, but can't find the reference. So here's the two sets of aliases for a list called "supportivecoaching" on the domain storytellingcoach.com: To add to /etc/aliases: supportivecoaching: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post supportivecoaching" supportivecoaching-admin: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin supportivecoaching" supportivecoaching-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces supportivecoaching" supportivecoaching-confirm: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm supportivecoaching" supportivecoaching-join: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join supportivecoaching" supportivecoaching-leave: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave supportivecoaching" supportivecoaching-owner: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner supportivecoaching" supportivecoaching-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request supportivecoaching" supportivecoaching-subscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe supportivecoaching" supportivecoaching-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe supportivecoaching" (then run newaliases) To add to /scripts/storytellingcoach.com.virtusertable: supportivecoaching at storytellingcoach.com supportivecoaching supportivecoaching-admin at storytellingcoach.com supportivecoaching-admin supportivecoaching-bounces at storytellingcoach.com supportivecoaching-bounces supportivecoaching-confirm at storytellingcoach.com supportivecoaching-confirm supportivecoaching-join at storytellingcoach.com supportivecoaching-join at storytellingcoach.com supportivecoaching-leave at storytellingcoach.com supportivecoaching-leave supportivecoaching-owner at storytellingcoach.com supportivecoaching-owner supportivecoaching-request at storytellingcoach.com supportivecoaching-request supportivecoaching-subscribe at storytellingcoach.com supportivecoaching-subscribe supportivecoaching-unsubscribe at storytellingcoach.com supportivecoaching-unsubscribe (it may help to restart sendmail at this point? I'm guessing) Once these are added, the email functions start to work (confirmation of new users via email, sending of emails to the list). 3. There was one more thing that confused me in the INSTALL file: > - Find out where your Sendmail executes its smrsh wrapper > > % grep smrsh /etc/mail/sendmail.cf > - Figure out where smrsh expects symlinks for allowable filter > programs. At the very beginning of the following output you will > see a full path to some directory, e.g. /var/adm/sm.bin or similar: > > % strings $path_to_smrsh | less > > - cd into /var/adm/sm.bin, or where ever it happens to reside on your > system, such as /etc/smrsh, /var/smrsh or /usr/local/smrsh. > > % cd /var/adm/sm.bin > > - create a symbolic link to Mailman's wrapper program > > % ln -s /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman mailman This perplexed me, for two reasons. First, when I ran the grep smrsh line, I found my way to a FILE called smrsh (not a directory). Second, when I ran the "strings" command using that path, I got a first line in the output that included a full path to /lib/ld-linux.so.2, which was no use at all. Lois Lew was kind enough to Google some pages of discussion about this issue (e.g., <http://www.lula.org/pipermail/lula/2004-April/003010.html> and <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-January/016760.html>. Reading these finally set me right. The key is that, in Redhat, there actually is a directory called smrsh, located at /etc/smrsh. When you follow the directions using that path, everything works. (One note about the discussions: in previous versions of Mailman, the term "wrapper" was used instead of "mailman".) 4. The last issue was related to my complete ignorance about Apache. I tried inserting the alias to pipermail and the ScriptAlias line (as described in the INSTALL) into /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf . That worked! But the next time I rebuilt Apache, Mailman stopped working. It turns out that, at least in my installation, httpd.conf is rebuilt every time, based on httpd.conf.main. Once I made the changes in httpd.conf.main instead, everything worked - and is so far still working! I hope this helps save some time for the next newbie down the road! Doug Lipman At 3:04 PM -0700 7/22/04, Alec Bennett wrote: >Hey, I saw your posting about setting up Mailman on Redhat 9. Sounds >like we're >having the exact same problems. Did you ever find a solution? > >http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-July/038114.html > >I'm now to the point where administrative task emails go out (subscription >notifications, etc.) but none of the actual list emails do, and the >archives are >all empty. > >Thanks for any help, this is driving me crazy. > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------- >This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- *********************************************************************** Doug Lipman, P.O. Box 441195, West Somerville, MA 02144 Phone: (781) 391-3672. Fax: (781) 391-6341. Toll-free: (888) 446-4738 Story Dynamics?: workshops, performances, coaching Web page: http://storydynamics.com Free monthly email newsletter, "eTips from the Storytelling Coach." "A wonderful, chock full of provocative ideas, storytelling newsletter. I like it a lot!" - Loretta Greene (Tempe, AZ) Upcoming workshops: http://storydynamics.com/Services/upcoming.html The Soul of Hope: http://SoulOfHope.net The Hasidic Stories Home Page: http://www.HasidicStories.com *********************************************************************** From msapiro at value.net Fri Jul 23 06:11:41 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:11:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line on Invite Messages In-Reply-To: <a06001201bd2639b999e6@[63.172.201.2]> Message-ID: <PC17002004072221114101567ce42ea5@msapiro> Toby Reiter wrote: >At 20:38 -0700 7/22/04, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >>set >>VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes >>in mm_cfg.py. >> >>Read about it in Defaults.py >> > >Mark, >Thank you SO much. I wasn't expecting an answer so soon, AND one that >was so simple and effective. My only question would be why this isn't >disabled by default?! The subject line is so much more to the point, >unambiguous, and user friendly. It isn't the default because some MTAs can't handle the the addressing format. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jul 23 08:40:05 2004 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:40:05 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line on Invite Messages In-Reply-To: <PC170020040722203809067113657a48@msapiro> References: <PC170020040722203809067113657a48@msapiro> Message-ID: <21C509AF-DC73-11D8-8152-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> On 22 Jul 2004, at 21:38, Mark Sapiro wrote: > VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes Does this take affect immediately, or do I have to do something to the mm_cfg.py file after I do this? Restart mailman? Anything? -- The older you get the more you need the people you knew when you were young. From luke at littlelukey.com Fri Jul 23 09:22:12 2004 From: luke at littlelukey.com (Luke Matthews) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 03:22:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exchange server? Message-ID: <1090567331.9355.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> I couldn't seem to find anything on the site, but is it possible to install Mailman on a Linux box running RedHat 9 and use a MS Exchange Server for the mail server? I'm kind of assuming I would need fetchmail or an equivelant tool and a MTA to communicate to the Exchange server on the Linux box (I could be totally wrong). I've never installed a mailing list manager before so if possible could someone enlighten me or point me to a tutorial / faq that covers this? Thanks! --Luke Matthews From Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk Fri Jul 23 09:59:09 2004 From: Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk (Rob Hackney) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:59:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ordinal not in range Message-ID: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD9A646E3@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> That is what I'm thinking tho when I've been importing other bad address I've been prompted that it's bad. I'll try running it thru a verifier 1st I guess. cheers -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Barger Sent: 22 July 2004 17:10 To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Ordinal not in range On Jul 22, 2004, at 11:44 AM, Rob Hackney wrote: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main > main() > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 169, in main > change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1263, in > change_options > send_admin_notif, invitation) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 888, in > ApprovedAddMember > kind, formataddr((email, name))) > File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 106, in formataddr > return '%s%s%s <%s>' % (quotes, name, quotes, address) > UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) I think this would indicate a bad/illegal character in your import file? -Jeff ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Scanned for viruses by MailDefender This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: postmaster at tkcsales.co.uk then delete the email. Scanned for viruses by MailDefender From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jul 23 10:30:04 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:30:04 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to remove List info from posts In-Reply-To: <26142.195.212.28.100.1090550322.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> References: <26142.195.212.28.100.1090550322.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> Message-ID: <p06002000bd267cfcf5dd@[10.0.1.3]> At 8:08 AM +0530 2004-07-23, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote: > Is it possible to *not* to have these. Which parameter is mm_cfg,py needs > to be changed? See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp>. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jul 23 10:35:59 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:35:59 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Role of mailman list In-Reply-To: <200407222319070500.11D3A555@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> References: <200407222319070500.11D3A555@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> Message-ID: <p06002002bd267e644a78@[10.0.1.3]> At 11:19 PM -0400 2004-07-22, Spencer Yost wrote: > The list that is called "mailman" that the installation instructions say > you should set-up. Do we really need it? It seems to just be a spam trap > and every once in a message destined for the another list ends up in the > moderation requests page somehow, waiting for approval. See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.025.htp>. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jul 23 10:39:32 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:39:32 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line on Invite Messages In-Reply-To: <a06001201bd2639b999e6@[63.172.201.2]> References: <PC170020040722203809067113657a48@msapiro> <a06001201bd2639b999e6@[63.172.201.2]> Message-ID: <p06002003bd267e9956d0@[10.0.1.3]> At 11:46 PM -0400 2004-07-22, Toby Reiter wrote: > Thank you SO much. I wasn't expecting an answer so soon, AND one that > was so simple and effective. Yup. Better than mine. This one needs to go into the FAQ, too. > My only question would be why this > isn't disabled by default?! The subject line is so much more to the > point, unambiguous, and user friendly. Also from the Defaults.py file: # For nicer confirmation emails, use a VERP-like format which encodes the # confirmation cookie in the reply address. This lets us put a more user # friendly Subject: on the message, but requires cooperation from the MTA. # Format is like VERP_FORMAT above, but with the following substitutions: Specifically, note that part about needing support from the MTA. Not all MTAs support VERP by default, but now that Mailman 2.1.5 will automatically VERP all addresses used for bounce management handled through the site-wide mailing list, maybe this should also be turned on by default. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jul 23 10:50:54 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:50:54 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line on Invite Messages In-Reply-To: <PC170020040722203809067113657a48@msapiro> References: <PC170020040722203809067113657a48@msapiro> Message-ID: <p06002005bd2681bf13b7@[10.0.1.3]> At 8:38 PM -0700 2004-07-22, Mark Sapiro wrote: > set > VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes > in mm_cfg.py. I created <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.052.htp> based on this thread. This is a much better answer than telling people to hack the source code.... Thanks! -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jul 23 10:53:32 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:53:32 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exchange server? In-Reply-To: <1090567331.9355.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1090567331.9355.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <p06002006bd2682423263@[10.0.1.3]> At 3:22 AM -0400 2004-07-23, Luke Matthews wrote: > I couldn't seem to find anything on the site, but is it possible to > install Mailman on a Linux box running RedHat 9 and use a MS Exchange > Server for the mail server? I don't think that would work. But if you're installing a Linux box anyway, why not also install an MTA on it (sendmail, postfix, exim, whatever)? At that point, it doesn't really matter what mail server the recipients use. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jul 23 10:40:33 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:40:33 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line on Invite Messages In-Reply-To: <21C509AF-DC73-11D8-8152-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> References: <PC170020040722203809067113657a48@msapiro> <21C509AF-DC73-11D8-8152-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> Message-ID: <p06002004bd267f6f88db@[10.0.1.3]> At 12:40 AM -0600 2004-07-23, LuKreme wrote: >> VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes > > Does this take affect immediately, or do I have to do something to > the mm_cfg.py file after I do this? Restart mailman? Anything? You'd need to restart mailman. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From kremels at kreme.com Fri Jul 23 12:46:17 2004 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 04:46:17 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line on Invite Messages In-Reply-To: <p06002005bd2681bf13b7@[10.0.1.3]> References: <PC170020040722203809067113657a48@msapiro> <p06002005bd2681bf13b7@[10.0.1.3]> Message-ID: <86BB35A2-DC95-11D8-8152-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> On 23 Jul 2004, at 02:50, Brad Knowles wrote: > I created > <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.052.htp> > based on this thread. This is a much better answer than telling > people to hack the source code.... Changing local configuration in mm_cfg.py is not "hacking the source code" -- No man is free who is not master of himself From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jul 23 12:51:01 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:51:01 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line on Invite Messages In-Reply-To: <86BB35A2-DC95-11D8-8152-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> References: <PC170020040722203809067113657a48@msapiro> <p06002005bd2681bf13b7@[10.0.1.3]> <86BB35A2-DC95-11D8-8152-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> Message-ID: <p0600200dbd269db4a124@[10.0.1.5]> At 4:46 AM -0600 2004-07-23, LuKreme wrote: > On 23 Jul 2004, at 02:50, Brad Knowles wrote: >> I created >><http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.052.htp> > based on this thread. This is a much better answer than telling people > to hack the source code.... > > Changing local configuration in mm_cfg.py is not "hacking the source code" No, it's not. My original response was that I wasn't aware of anything simple that could be done, and that the OP could choose to hack the source code. Mark came up with a much better answer, which I was complimenting him for. I was also informing him that I took his answer and put it into the FAQ, albeit with some minor changes. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk Fri Jul 23 13:01:05 2004 From: Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk (Rob Hackney) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:01:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] scheduling mail delivery problem- long ish Message-ID: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC971@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> Have a newsletter list and wish to schedule delivery overnight to minimize affect on bandwidth (38k subscribers) I've logged in as root and run: at 11:15 today at> /usr/bin/mail list-address at lists.domain.co.uk <mailto:list-address at mail.host.co.uk> -s "Message subject" < /path/to/testfile.txt Which went in fine. Problem was nothing was delivered, nothing showing in /var/log/maillog/, var/mailman/log/smtp log or var/log/mailman/post log So, thinking that it was user related, I changed it to: at> /bin/mail list-address at lists.domain.co.uk <mailto:list-address at mail.host.co.uk> -s "Message subject" < /path/to/testfile.txt Still nothing delivered however I have checked maillog and seen the following entry: Jul 23 11:25:00 simba postfix/pickup[6526]: 510DA178E5: uid=0 from=<root> Jul 23 11:25:01 simba postfix/local[6996]: 510DA178E5: to=<test at lists.domain.co.uk <mailto:test at lists.routeone.co.uk> >, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post test") Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/smtpd[7000]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/smtpd[7000]: 71198178DD: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/cleanup[6994]: 71198178DD: message-id=<mailman.2.1090578302.846.test at lists.domain.co.uk <mailto:mailman.2.1090578302.846.test at lists.routeone.co.uk> > Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/nqmgr[706]: 71198178DD: from=<test-bounces+root=lists.domain.co.uk at lists.domain.co.uk <mailto:test-bounces+root=lists.routeone.co.uk at lists.routeone.co.uk> >, size=1773, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/smtpd[7000]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/local[6996]: 71198178DD: to=<root at lists.domain.co.uk <mailto:root at lists.routeone.co.uk> >, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (can't create user output file. Command output: procmail: Couldn't create "/var/spool/mail/nobody" ) Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/cleanup[6994]: C3A25178E5: message-id=<20040723102505.C3A25178E5 at lists.domain.co.uk <mailto:20040723102505.C3A25178E5 at lists.routeone.co.uk> > Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/nqmgr[706]: C3A25178E5: from=<>, size=3577, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/cleanup[6994]: DE969178E6: message-id=<20040723102505.DE969178E6 at lists.domain.co.uk <mailto:20040723102505.DE969178E6 at lists.routeone.co.uk> > Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/local[6996]: C3A25178E5: to=<test-bounces+root=lists.domain.co.uk at lists.domain.co.uk <mailto:test-bounces+root=lists.routeone.co.uk at lists.routeone.co.uk> >, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (unknown user: "test-bounces+root=lists.routeone.co.uk") Jul 23 11:25:06 simba postfix/cleanup[7005]: 08756178E7: message-id=<20040723102506.08756178E7 at lists.domain.co.uk <mailto:20040723102506.08756178E7 at lists.routeone.co.uk> > Jul 23 11:25:06 simba postfix/nqmgr[706]: 08756178E7: from=<double-bounce at lists.domain.co.uk <mailto:double-bounce at lists.routeone.co.uk> >, size=4952, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jul 23 11:25:06 simba postfix/nqmgr[706]: DE969178E6: from=<double-bounce at lists.domain.co.uk <mailto:double-bounce at lists.routeone.co.uk> >, size=2200, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jul 23 11:25:06 simba postfix/local[6996]: 08756178E7: to=<root at lists.domain.co.uk <mailto:root at lists.routeone.co.uk> >, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (can't create user output file. Command output: procmail: Couldn't create "/var/spool/mail/nobody" ) Jul 23 11:25:06 simba postfix/bounce[7004]: warning: 08756178E7: undeliverable postmaster notification discarded Jul 23 11:25:06 simba postfix/local[7006]: DE969178E6: to=<root at lists.domain.co.uk <mailto:root at lists.routeone.co.uk> >, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced (can't create user output file. Command output: procmail: Couldn't create "/var/spool/mail/nobody" ) Jul 23 11:25:06 simba postfix/bounce[7004]: warning: DE969178E6: undeliverable postmaster notification discarded (I think some of the above entries relate to another post that is being processed) On checking the smtp log, I have an entry: Jul 23 11:25:05 2004 (848) mailman.2.1090578302.846.test at lists.domain.co.uk smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.688 seconds There is nothing is the post log however and nothing in the mail queue. It appears that it has gone somewhere but I don't really know how to proceed from here and troubleshoot. Can anyone offer any advice? thanks Rob This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: postmaster at tkcsales.co.uk then delete the email. Scanned for viruses by MailDefender From Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk Fri Jul 23 13:29:58 2004 From: Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk (Rob Hackney) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:29:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] scheduling mail delivery problem- long ish Message-ID: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD9A646EA@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> Have a newsletter list and wish to schedule delivery overnight to minimize affect on bandwidth (38k subscribers) I've logged in as root and run: at 11:15 today at> /usr/bin/mail list-address at lists.domain.co.uk-s "Message subject" < /path/to/testfile.txt Which went in fine. Problem was nothing was delivered, nothing showing in /var/log/maillog/, var/mailman/log/smtp log or var/log/mailman/post log So, thinking that it was user related, I changed it to: at> /bin/mail list-address at lists.domain.co.uk -s "Message subject" < /path/to/testfile.txt Still nothing delivered however I have checked maillog and seen the following entry: Jul 23 11:25:00 simba postfix/pickup[6526]: 510DA178E5: uid=0 from=<root> Jul 23 11:25:01 simba postfix/local[6996]: 510DA178E5: to=<test at lists.domain.co.uk>, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post test") Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/smtpd[7000]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/smtpd[7000]: 71198178DD: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/cleanup[6994]: 71198178DD: message-id=<mailman.2.1090578302.846.test at lists.domain.co.uk> Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/nqmgr[706]: 71198178DD: from=<test-bounces+root=lists.domain.co.uk at lists.domain.co.uk>, size=1773, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/smtpd[7000]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/local[6996]: 71198178DD: to=<root at lists.domain.co.uk>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (can't create user output file. Command output: procmail: Couldn't create "/var/spool/mail/nobody" ) Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/cleanup[6994]: C3A25178E5: message-id=<20040723102505.C3A25178E5 at lists.domain.co.uk> Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/nqmgr[706]: C3A25178E5: from=<>, size=3577, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/cleanup[6994]: DE969178E6: message-id=<20040723102505.DE969178E6 at lists.domain.co.uk> Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/local[6996]: C3A25178E5: to=<test-bounces+root=lists.domain.co.uk at lists.domain.co.uk>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (unknown user: "test-bounces+root=lists.routeone.co.uk") Jul 23 11:25:06 simba postfix/cleanup[7005]: 08756178E7: message-id=<20040723102506.08756178E7 at lists.domain.co.uk> Jul 23 11:25:06 simba postfix/nqmgr[706]: 08756178E7: from=<double-bounce at lists.domain.co.uk>, size=4952, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jul 23 11:25:06 simba postfix/nqmgr[706]: DE969178E6: from=<double-bounce at lists.domain.co.uk>, size=2200, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jul 23 11:25:06 simba postfix/local[6996]: 08756178E7: to=<root at lists.domain.co.uk>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (can't create user output file. Command output: procmail: Couldn't create "/var/spool/mail/nobody" ) Jul 23 11:25:06 simba postfix/bounce[7004]: warning: 08756178E7: undeliverable postmaster notification discarded Jul 23 11:25:06 simba postfix/local[7006]: DE969178E6: to=<root at lists.domain.co.uk>, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced (can't create user output file. Command output: procmail: Couldn't create "/var/spool/mail/nobody" ) Jul 23 11:25:06 simba postfix/bounce[7004]: warning: DE969178E6: undeliverable postmaster notification discarded (I think some of the above entries relate to another post that is being processed) On checking the smtp log, I have an entry: Jul 23 11:25:05 2004 (848) mailman.2.1090578302.846.test at lists.domain.co.uk smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.688 seconds There is nothing is the post log however and nothing in the mail queue. It appears that it has gone somewhere but I don't really know how to proceed from here and troubleshoot. Can anyone offer any advice? thanks Rob This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: postmaster at tkcsales.co.uk then delete the email. Scanned for viruses by MailDefender From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jul 23 13:43:24 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:43:24 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] scheduling mail delivery problem- long ish In-Reply-To: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD9A646EA@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> References: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD9A646EA@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> Message-ID: <p0600200ebd26a9986a77@[10.0.1.5]> At 12:29 PM +0100 2004-07-23, Rob Hackney wrote: > Jul 23 11:25:05 simba postfix/local[6996]: 71198178DD: > to=<root at lists.domain.co.uk>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced > (can't create user output file. Command output: procmail: Couldn't > create "/var/spool/mail/nobody" ) It would appear that you're using procmail as your local delivery agent, and due to a permissions problem procmail isn't able to create the specified user mailbox. Check your aliases, your mailing list subscriptions, your postfix configuration, and your procmail configuration. I'd be willing to bet large sums of money that the problem is within postfix and/or procmail, and is *NOT* a problem with Mailman. Beyond identifying the source of the problem, if you need further help with postfix or procmail, you should use resources specific to these packages, such as their mailing lists, newsgroups, FAQs, online documentation, books, etc.... There's not a whole lot more we're likely to be able to do to help you with these parts. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From syost at triad.rr.com Fri Jul 23 15:49:39 2004 From: syost at triad.rr.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:49:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Role of mailman list In-Reply-To: <p06002002bd267e644a78@[10.0.1.3]> References: <200407222319070500.11D3A555@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <p06002002bd267e644a78@[10.0.1.3]> Message-ID: <200407230949390265.1414E9AB@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> >> and every once in a message destined for the another list ends up in the >> moderation requests page somehow, waiting for approval. > > See ><http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.025.htp>. > Thanks, I appreciate it. I swear I looked in the FAQs but I guess I was in too much of a hurry. The FAQs do not answer the second part of my question though. That is the problem where messages clearly destined for another mailing list end up in mailman. Interestingly, this only happens a maybe a dozen times since yesterday afternoon and it doesn't happen to all messages. Headers of a example message in my mailman list moderator request page follow my signature. As you can tell from the headers, the message clearly was addressed to at at lists.antique-tractor.com but ended up on the mailman at lists.antique-tractor.com moderator page as well. I left the message on the moderation page so if someone wants to verify or look at something, I can change the admin password for the list admin page and let them in for a few minutes. To really confuse things, the message does really still show on on the proper list. In other words, the message below, did indeed get delivered just fine to the proper mailing list. I have tried restarting mailman. One other clue: This started about the same time new MX records for my site probably propagated to the rest of the Internet. These new MX records that I created started pointing all incoming mail to mail-abuse-org servers (I am using their new Lanai service). I am leaning to it being a coincidence though because I don't think the timing was quite right but of course I can't know exactly how propagation occurred and the first few messages on the mailman page I just deleted before I started realizing what was happening. Therefore I don't have the "Received:" trail" on those critical first few messages anymore. Plus I just don't see how routing my mail through a SPAM service could possibly make a difference nor could I see this being the culprit if it only happens to a few messages. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net Received: from box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org (box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org [168.61.6.12]) by heavyiron.atis.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i6N4dD6I002533 for <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:39:14 -0400 Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6N4c1wf019176 for <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DAVIESW739 at aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id z.1e9.25aabe2c (18251) for <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:37:49 -0400 (EDT) From: DAVIESW739 at aol.com Message-ID: <1e9.25aabe2c.2e31f01d at aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:37:49 EDT Subject: Re: [AT] How to seat the bead on lawn tractor tires? To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 7/23/2004 at 10:35 AM Brad Knowles wrote: >At 11:19 PM -0400 2004-07-22, Spencer Yost wrote: > >> The list that is called "mailman" that the installation instructions say >> you should set-up. Do we really need it? It seems to just be a spam >trap >> and every once in a message destined for the another list ends up in the >> moderation requests page somehow, waiting for approval. > > See ><http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.025.htp>. > >-- >Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> > >"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little >temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From toby at breezing.com Fri Jul 23 16:20:54 2004 From: toby at breezing.com (Toby Reiter) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:20:54 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line on Invite Messages In-Reply-To: <p06002005bd2681bf13b7@[10.0.1.3]> References: <PC170020040722203809067113657a48@msapiro> <p06002005bd2681bf13b7@[10.0.1.3]> Message-ID: <a06001202bd26cc23428a@[63.172.201.2]> At 10:50 +0200 7/23/04, Brad Knowles wrote: >At 8:38 PM -0700 2004-07-22, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> set >> VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes >> in mm_cfg.py. > > I created ><http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.052.htp> >based on this thread. This is a much better answer than telling >people to hack the source code.... > > Brad, Thanks a lot for adding this to the FAQ. I should probably look at the full FAQ anyway, just to see if there are some issues I'm neglecting. Have a great day, Toby -- Toby Reiter mailto:toby at breezing.com Breezing Internet Communications http://www.breezing.com 1106 West Main St phone:434.295.2050 Charlottesville, VA 22903 fax:603.843.6931 From support at obantec.net Fri Jul 23 18:57:49 2004 From: support at obantec.net (Obantec Support) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:57:49 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to stop lists.domain.com becoming domain.com Message-ID: <184401c470d6$34941a10$0a01a8c0@gamma> Hi I am just in the process of adding mailman-2.1.5 Now i created a list and change mm_cfg.py so that DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.domain.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.domain.com' VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) added aliases and i can access the admin via www host name this list prefers is lists.domain.com and i subscribed myself and another email address ok. Now when i post the email From: loses the lists so news at lists.domain.com becomes lists at domain.com but footer keeps full url. 1. how do i fix From: changing? 2. how do i prevent To: showing sender and CC: showing list (minus the "lists" part of domain? Mark From msapiro at value.net Fri Jul 23 19:35:57 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:35:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to stop lists.domain.com becoming domain.com In-Reply-To: <184401c470d6$34941a10$0a01a8c0@gamma> Message-ID: <PC17002004072310355708349f252ffb@msapiro> Obantec Support wrote: > >Now when i post the email From: loses the lists so news at lists.domain.com >becomes lists at domain.com but footer keeps full url. > >1. how do i fix From: changing? This is probably being done by your MTA stripping internal servers from the "external" domain. >2. how do i prevent To: showing sender and CC: showing list (minus the >"lists" part of domain? I'm not clear on what the question here is, but the FAQ at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp may help. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jul 23 18:42:30 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:42:30 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Role of mailman list In-Reply-To: <200407230949390265.1414E9AB@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> References: <200407222319070500.11D3A555@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> <p06002002bd267e644a78@[10.0.1.3]> <200407230949390265.1414E9AB@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> Message-ID: <p06002016bd26eef2abb5@[10.0.1.5]> At 9:49 AM -0400 2004-07-23, Spencer Yost wrote: > The FAQs do not answer the second part of my > question though. That is the problem where messages clearly destined for > another mailing list end up in mailman. Interestingly, this only happens > a maybe a dozen times since yesterday afternoon and it doesn't happen to > all messages. Headers of a example message in my mailman list moderator > request page follow my signature. As you can tell from the headers, the > message clearly was addressed to at at lists.antique-tractor.com but ended up > on the mailman at lists.antique-tractor.com moderator page as well. Is this copy of the message as pulled from the moderator page for mailman at lists.antique-tractor.com, or from at at lists.antique-tractor.com? If this is from the moderator page for mailman at lists.antique-tractor.com, I can't explain what happened. The message was clearly addressed to a different list, received by heavyiron.atis.net, but then somehow delivered to the wrong recipient address. I would check your aliases, any virtual domain settings, etc... within your MTA. > I left > the message on the moderation page so if someone wants to verify or look at > something, I can change the admin password for the list admin page and let > them in for a few minutes. I'd be curious to see exactly what is currently there. > One other clue: This started about the > same time new MX records for my site probably propagated to the rest of the > Internet. These new MX records that I created started pointing all > incoming mail to mail-abuse-org servers (I am using their new Lanai > service). Lanai service? I've been a stop.mail-abuse.org user since the service was created, and I've not heard of this one. I'll have to check their website. > I am leaning to it being a coincidence though because I don't > think the timing was quite right but of course I can't know exactly how > propagation occurred and the first few messages on the mailman page I just > deleted before I started realizing what was happening. Therefore I don't > have the "Received:" trail" on those critical first few messages anymore. > Plus I just don't see how routing my mail through a SPAM service could > possibly make a difference nor could I see this being the culprit if it > only happens to a few messages. Unfortunately, those first few messages might have contained an important clue. Or not. But there's no way to find out. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From eslittles at ucdavis.edu Fri Jul 23 20:57:29 2004 From: eslittles at ucdavis.edu (Everett Littles) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:57:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner using 85% cpu Message-ID: <25743BDA-DCDA-11D8-A76B-000A95E9402A@ucdavis.edu> I noticed that none of the messages being sent to Mailman are being distributed. I tried stopping and starting Mailman a few times with no success in delivery. I then checked my processes and found that qrunner was taking 85% of my cpu. It reads: mailman 27228 85.1 0.6 30344 4564 ?? R 11:32AM 2:14.29 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s All of the other qrunner processes are having minimal impact on the cpu. Does anyone have an idea of what is going on here? I was not able to find an answer to this in the archives. Everett Littles Computer Resource Spec I Design Services, UC Davis eslittles at ucdavis.edu From JolinWarren at OakandApple.org Fri Jul 23 21:40:38 2004 From: JolinWarren at OakandApple.org (Jolin M Warren) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:40:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line on Invite Messages In-Reply-To: <PC170020040722203809067113657a48@msapiro> References: <PC170020040722203809067113657a48@msapiro> Message-ID: <p05111a0bbd2719a86257@62.252.232.30> At 20:38 on 22-7-04, Mark Sapiro wrote: > VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes > in mm_cfg.py. Sorry if I'm making a basic mistake, but I have made the above change (and only that change), issued a 'mailmanctl restart' (as the mailman user) and my confirmation emails still come back with a subject of 'confirm a770f863f985baab6ca801f4ffe11291818c6422'. The reply-to, sender, and from headers are also still generic. I then tried 'mailmanctl stop' followed by 'mailmanctl start', but no luck. Do I need to change any list settings to enable this? Thanks for any help. It sounds like a useful feature! Cheers, Jolin From msapiro at value.net Fri Jul 23 21:58:30 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:58:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line on Invite Messages In-Reply-To: <p05111a0bbd2719a86257@62.252.232.30> Message-ID: <PC17002004072312583000529f252cd2@msapiro> Jolin M Warren wrote: >At 20:38 on 22-7-04, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes >> in mm_cfg.py. > >Sorry if I'm making a basic mistake, but I have made the above change >(and only that change), issued a 'mailmanctl restart' (as the mailman >user) and my confirmation emails still come back with a subject of >'confirm a770f863f985baab6ca801f4ffe11291818c6422'. The reply-to, >sender, and from headers are also still generic. I then tried >'mailmanctl stop' followed by 'mailmanctl start', but no luck. Do I >need to change any list settings to enable this? > >Thanks for any help. It sounds like a useful feature! In Mailman 2.1.4 at least, it only works for invitations, not other confirmations. See http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers at python.org/msg07285.html and http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers at python.org/msg07330.html for more on this and a patch -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From john at wa9als.com Fri Jul 23 22:06:56 2004 From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:06:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public lists not viewable Message-ID: <005501c470f0$a8f27360$a7814094@wn9als> Newbie here - My lists are all set to be publicly viewable. However, when I go to www.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo, I get the page that says there are no publicly viewable lists at that domain. However, if I go to any list's admin page, login, and immediately logout without doing anything, and then return to the listinfo page, NOW all my lists are displayed. Any help with this? Thanks! - John P.S. Debian unstable, Mailman v 2.1.4 From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jul 23 23:01:01 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:01:01 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner using 85% cpu In-Reply-To: <25743BDA-DCDA-11D8-A76B-000A95E9402A@ucdavis.edu> References: <25743BDA-DCDA-11D8-A76B-000A95E9402A@ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <p06002017bd272cbb26c8@[10.0.1.5]> At 11:57 AM -0700 2004-07-23, Everett Littles wrote: > I noticed that none of the messages being sent to Mailman are being > distributed. See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp>. > I tried stopping and starting Mailman a few times with no success >in delivery. > I then checked my processes and found that qrunner was taking 85% of my cpu. See also <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.041.htp>. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. From lhat at wiz.cath.vt.edu Sat Jul 24 06:26:03 2004 From: lhat at wiz.cath.vt.edu (Len Hatfield) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:26:03 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't access moderator requests: 'ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size' Message-ID: <20040724042603.GA1333@wiz.cath.vt.edu> Hi, Folks. Just upgraded our site from MM 2.0.3 to 2.1.5, and mostly this has worked beautifully--new aliases, fixed perms, etc. all worked nicely. All but for two of the lists, which return the appended error tracing when I try to follow the link in the list-admin website to "Tend to moderator requests". All the other lists, some of them huge and hoary with age, work just fine. I've emptied the /data directory of all pending messages by hand; I've moved the pending.subscriptions.db out as well; I've run check_perms and check_db -a and everything is clean. Help and pointers (esp. on how to get these lists back in working order for the moderators) would be most welcome! Thanks, -- ...Len Len Hatfield English/CATH Virginia Tech ************* Error report: Jul 24 00:09:32 2004 admin(1309): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ admin(1309): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.5 -----] admin(1309): [----- Traceback ------] admin(1309): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(1309): File "/c/mm2/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main admin(1309): main() admin(1309): File "/c/mm2/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 231, in main admin(1309): num = show_pending_subs(mlist, form) admin(1309): File "/c/mm2/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 274, in show_pending_subs admin(1309): pendingsubs = mlist.GetSubscriptionIds() admin(1309): File "/c/mm2/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 138, in GetSubscriptionIds admin(1309): return self.__getmsgids(SUBSCRIPTION) admin(1309): File "/c/mm2/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 130, in __getmsgids admin(1309): ids = [k for k, (op, data) in self.__db.items() if op == rtype] admin(1309): ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size admin(1309): [----- Python Information -----] admin(1309): sys.version = 2.3.4 (#1, Jul 21 2004, 23:31:00) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (release)] admin(1309): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python admin(1309): sys.prefix = /usr/local admin(1309): sys.exec_prefix = /usr/local admin(1309): sys.path = /usr/local admin(1309): sys.platform = linux2 admin(1309): [----- Environment Variables -----] admin(1309): HTTP_REFERER: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/admin/hel-l admin(1309): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache admin(1309): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admindb admin(1309): SERVER_SIGNATURE: admin(1309): REQUEST_METHOD: GET admin(1309): HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300 admin(1309): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 admin(1309): QUERY_STRING: admin(1309): HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 admin(1309): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040206 Firefox/0.8 admin(1309): HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive admin(1309): HTTP_COOKIE: hel-l+admin=280200000069f4e00141732800000037613162383630376463303930636535336638653532643161393561353933383132353936396361 admin(1309): SERVER_NAME: wiz.cath.vt.edu admin(1309): REMOTE_ADDR: 68.185.125.105 admin(1309): PATH_TRANSLATED: /www/hel-l admin(1309): SERVER_PORT: 80 admin(1309): SERVER_ADDR: 128.173.51.243 admin(1309): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /www admin(1309): PYTHONPATH: /c/mm2 admin(1309): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /c/mm2/cgi-bin/admindb admin(1309): SERVER_ADMIN: lhat at wiz.cath.vt.edu admin(1309): HTTP_HOST: wiz.cath.vt.edu admin(1309): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admindb/hel-l admin(1309): HTTP_ACCEPT: text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 admin(1309): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 admin(1309): REMOTE_PORT: 60552 admin(1309): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us,en;q=0.5 admin(1309): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip,deflate admin(1309): UNIQUE_ID: QQHg-ICtM-MAAATzecQ admin(1309): PATH_INFO: /hel-l *********** end of error report ********************* From stephen at xemacs.org Sat Jul 24 08:09:56 2004 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:09:56 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish List In-Reply-To: <p0600204abd238369a673@[10.0.1.3]> (Brad Knowles's message of "Wed, 21 Jul 2004 04:22:10 +0200") References: <40EEC136.29566.1114A2@localhost> <40FD7CB3.12253.1BE3A85@localhost> <p0600204abd238369a673@[10.0.1.3]> Message-ID: <87smbivsuj.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> >>>>> "Brad" == Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be> writes: Brad> Hmm. If I am answering too many questions, That deserves taking seriously, I think. Brad> then maybe it is time for me to leave. But please don't leave! The great majority of your posts are precise FAQ citations. This is really, really good. I wish my project had a FAQ as comprehensive as Mailman's. There _are_ two things I can see that are possibly wrong with that. The first is I'm reminded of the old saw about giving fish vs. teaching fishing. If people aren't learning to consult the FAQ themselves.... OTOH, many many new Mailman users seem to be non-technical or self-trained people (which is an amazing achievement in itself, considering the complexity of the application), and this may be their first exposure to the RTFM culture. The second is ... >> I can tell I've been working far too many hours. Brad> Maybe I have too. Take out some time to play. You definitely deserve it! -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From support at obantec.net Sat Jul 24 13:30:42 2004 From: support at obantec.net (Obantec Support) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:30:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to stop lists.domain.com becoming domain.com References: <PC17002004072310355708349f252ffb@msapiro> Message-ID: <1bb401c47171$d1491f90$0a01a8c0@gamma> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sapiro" <msapiro at value.net> To: "Obantec Support" <support at obantec.net>; <Mailman-Users at python.org> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] how to stop lists.domain.com becoming domain.com > Obantec Support wrote: > > > >Now when i post the email From: loses the lists so news at lists.domain.com > >becomes lists at domain.com but footer keeps full url. ^^^^^ my error here it should have read news at domain.com > > > >1. how do i fix From: changing? > > This is probably being done by your MTA stripping internal servers from > the "external" domain. Yes i had DNS not setup quite right. a rough CNAME for the list which made mailman web pages work but resulted in dropping the lists part of domain when passing thru mail server. Added A record for web and MX for mail and its all ok. > >2. how do i prevent To: showing sender and CC: showing list (minus the > >"lists" part of domain? > > I'm not clear on what the question here is, but the FAQ at > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp > may help. Ok what i mean here is when I post to the list i only want list members to see To: news at lists.domain.com what they are seeing is To: somebody at theirdomain.com CC: news at lists.domain.com what i want is like this list where when you post all you see is To: news at lists.domain.com > -- > Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Everything else seems to work, it sends my footer, rejects non moderater postings etc. Mark From msapiro at value.net Sat Jul 24 17:44:56 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:44:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to stop lists.domain.com becoming domain.com In-Reply-To: <1bb401c47171$d1491f90$0a01a8c0@gamma> Message-ID: <PC1700200407240844560343b8f0c04f@msapiro> Obantec Support wrote: > >Ok what i mean here is when I post to the list i only want list members to >see To: news at lists.domain.com >what they are seeing is To: somebody at theirdomain.com CC: >news at lists.domain.com >what i want is like this list where when you post all you see is To: >news at lists.domain.com > I don't think this is a Mailman issue per-se. The default Mailman behavior doesn't change these things or move them around. I think the post was addressed To: someone, Cc: list by the person who sent it (or that persons mail client). For example, your post to which I'm replying was addressed by you To: <Mailman-Users at python.org> and it came to the list From: you with that To: address. I am replying-all to your post. if I didn't, the reply would go to you only. My MUA then addresses my reply-all To: you and the list, but many if not most MUAs will address that reply-all To: you with Cc: the list. So in this case, you will receive my reply directly, everyone else will receive it from the list. If your subscription is not set to avoid duplicate copies, you will receive another copy from the list. So, to summarize, I think posts are being addressed this way by the sender. If you see posts from the list addressed To: someone, Cc: the list, and you know that these posts were send to the list addressed To: the list only, then I don't know why this is happening. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sat Jul 24 18:23:28 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:23:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to stop lists.domain.com becoming domain.com In-Reply-To: <PC1700200407240844560343b8f0c04f@msapiro> Message-ID: <PC17002004072409232806094d00637d@msapiro> Mark Sapiro wrote: > >So, to summarize, I think posts are being addressed this way by the >sender. If you see posts from the list addressed To: someone, Cc: the >list, and you know that these posts were send to the list addressed >To: the list only, then I don't know why this is happening. > One additional thought. If your list is set for "personalized delivery", messages from the list would be individually addressed, but I don't know if that would explain the Cc: as I have never used this feature and it's not even enabled at my site. Anyway, it sounds as if you DON'T want personalized delivery, so if it is set, turn it off. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From support at obantec.net Sat Jul 24 18:29:11 2004 From: support at obantec.net (Obantec Support) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:29:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to stop lists.domain.com becoming domain.com References: <PC1700200407240844560343b8f0c04f@msapiro> Message-ID: <1c3d01c4719b$5e00b230$0a01a8c0@gamma> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sapiro" <msapiro at value.net> To: "Obantec Support" <support at obantec.net>; <Mailman-Users at python.org> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] how to stop lists.domain.com becoming domain.com > Obantec Support wrote: > > > >Ok what i mean here is when I post to the list i only want list members to > >see To: news at lists.domain.com > >what they are seeing is To: somebody at theirdomain.com CC: > >news at lists.domain.com > >what i want is like this list where when you post all you see is To: > >news at lists.domain.com > > > > I don't think this is a Mailman issue per-se. The default Mailman > behavior doesn't change these things or move them around. I think the > post was addressed To: someone, Cc: list by the person who sent it (or > that persons mail client). > > For example, your post to which I'm replying was addressed by you To: > <Mailman-Users at python.org> and it came to the list From: you with that > To: address. I am replying-all to your post. if I didn't, the reply > would go to you only. My MUA then addresses my reply-all To: you and > the list, but many if not most MUAs will address that reply-all To: > you with Cc: the list. > > So in this case, you will receive my reply directly, everyone else will > receive it from the list. If your subscription is not set to avoid > duplicate copies, you will receive another copy from the list. > > So, to summarize, I think posts are being addressed this way by the > sender. If you see posts from the list addressed To: someone, Cc: the > list, and you know that these posts were send to the list addressed > To: the list only, then I don't know why this is happening. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Hi Mark I think it is how some mailing lists are not 100% used the way i understand them to be used. You hit reply all and yes OE sets up my address;list address (not CC) but this means i get 2 emails! if you hit reply and substitute my address for list address then i would only get 1 email (my subscribed email). Some users send with the From: set to the list name to avoid this. ( i see quite a few double emails). I still believe that the first email to a list should when it arrives at the users inbox only show From: sender at domainX.com and To: listname at lists.domainY.com not From: sender at domainX.com To: listmember at theirdomain.com and CC: listname at lists.domainY.com take my original post to this list the headers are From: "Obantec Support" <support at obantec.net> To: <Mailman-Users at python.org> No Cc: header added by mailman Mark From support at obantec.net Sat Jul 24 18:43:39 2004 From: support at obantec.net (Obantec Support) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:43:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to stop lists.domain.com becoming domain.com References: <PC17002004072409232806094d00637d@msapiro> Message-ID: <1c5801c4719d$62e167c0$0a01a8c0@gamma> -- Obantec Support www.obantec.net 0845 458 3121 WebHosting and Domains Nominet UK Tag Holder CentralNic Accredited Reseller Please Quote your username in all correspondence ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sapiro" <msapiro at value.net> To: "Mark Sapiro" <msapiro at value.net>; "Obantec Support" <support at obantec.net>; <Mailman-Users at python.org> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] how to stop lists.domain.com becoming domain.com > Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > >So, to summarize, I think posts are being addressed this way by the > >sender. If you see posts from the list addressed To: someone, Cc: the > >list, and you know that these posts were send to the list addressed > >To: the list only, then I don't know why this is happening. > > > > One additional thought. If your list is set for "personalized > delivery", messages from the list would be individually addressed, but > I don't know if that would explain the Cc: as I have never used this > feature and it's not even enabled at my site. Anyway, it sounds as if > you DON'T want personalized delivery, so if it is set, turn it off. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Hi Mark personalized delivery is selected is that what you mean? Getting closer as i switched it to No and there is no Cc: ! thanks for your help i think i am on the trail now. Mark From msapiro at value.net Sat Jul 24 19:09:53 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 10:09:53 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to stop lists.domain.com becoming domain.com In-Reply-To: <1c3d01c4719b$5e00b230$0a01a8c0@gamma> Message-ID: <PC17002004072410095305625804e967@msapiro> Obantec Support wrote: > >I think it is how some mailing lists are not 100% used the way i understand >them to be used. >You hit reply all and yes OE sets up my address;list address (not CC) but >this means i get 2 emails! > Not necessarily - see below. >if you hit reply and substitute my address for list address then i would >only get 1 email (my subscribed email). >Some users send with the From: set to the list name to avoid this. ( i see >quite a few double emails). > If you don't want these duplicates, go to your subscription options page, scroll down to near the bottom and set "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" to "Yes" and Submit, or go to the list administration->Membership Management...->Membership List and check the "nodupes" option. You can make this the default for new subscribers by checking the "Filter out duplicate ..." box in new_member_options on the General Options page. >I still believe that the first email to a list should when it arrives at the >users inbox only show From: sender at domainX.com and To: >listname at lists.domainY.com I see from your reply to my followup post that the lists "personalized delivery" option seems to be the reason why this isn't happening. I guess when personalized delivery is selected, Mailman puts the list address in a Cc: so you can still reply-all and include the list. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From frodo000 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jul 25 06:13:12 2004 From: frodo000 at bigpond.net.au (James Sinnamon) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:13:12 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per-user anonymity? nickname capability? In-Reply-To: <87smbivsuj.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <40EEC136.29566.1114A2@localhost> <p0600204abd238369a673@[10.0.1.3]> <87smbivsuj.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: <200407251413.12656.frodo000@bigpond.net.au> Dear list, Is it possible for a list subscriber to make himself/herself anonymous to the list, i.e. to switch on/off the 'Hide the sender of a message' in the 'general' list-wide options, but on a per-user basis? Better still, is it possible to give himself/herself a nickname that would appear in the "From:" field in place of his/her own e-mail address. TIA, James Sinnamon -- frodo000 at bigpond net au +61 412 319669, +61 2 95692123 (aka jaymz-.a.t.-bigpond-net-auStralia) From msapiro at value.net Sun Jul 25 07:09:19 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:09:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per-user anonymity? nickname capability? In-Reply-To: <200407251413.12656.frodo000@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <PC1700200407242209190390d0c8b7b9@msapiro> James Sinnamon wrote: > >Is it possible for a list subscriber to make himself/herself >anonymous to the list, i.e. to switch on/off the >'Hide the sender of a message' in the 'general' list-wide >options, but on a per-user basis? > >Better still, is it possible to give himself/herself >a nickname that would appear in the "From:" field in >place of his/her own e-mail address. > If your configuration is set to use envelope sender to verify list membership for posting, i.e. USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = Yes in mm_cfg.py, you can put anything you want in the From: address if your MUA/MTA allow it as long as the envelope is from a member. This may not provide anonymity however as Received: headers and possibly X-Authentication-Warning: may reveal the true sender to the list. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From support at obantec.net Sun Jul 25 10:36:22 2004 From: support at obantec.net (Obantec Support) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:36:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] terse phrase update fails MM2.1.5 Message-ID: <20a301c47222$7d03ebc0$0a01a8c0@gamma> Hi I set the original terse phrase via the admin web page but decide it was a bit bloated, was in the form Server News (Server News for users on ServerX) i changed it to Server News Applied changes and post to list. to my surprise i still get To: Server News (Server News for users on ServerX) I tried to set it to blank but no joy. Still sends original value. is this a bug in 2.1.5 in the terse phrase. Mark From frodo000 at bigpond.net.au Sun Jul 25 14:09:27 2004 From: frodo000 at bigpond.net.au (James Sinnamon) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:09:27 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per-user anonymity? nickname capability? In-Reply-To: <PC1700200407242209190390d0c8b7b9@msapiro> References: <PC1700200407242209190390d0c8b7b9@msapiro> Message-ID: <200407252209.27315.frodo000@bigpond.net.au> Mark, Sorry to ask such a basic question, but ... If e-mail is restricted to text only, we can be 100% (99.99999999998% ?) confident that a user will never be infected with a virus? thank you. regards, James From SpeedyGonzalis at softhome.net Sun Jul 25 17:59:57 2004 From: SpeedyGonzalis at softhome.net (Speedy Gonzalis) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:59:57 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line on Invite Messages In-Reply-To: <PC170020040722203809067113657a48@msapiro> References: <a0600123fbd262dde36b7@[63.172.201.2]> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040725115638.03229e30@127.0.0.1> At 11:38 PM 7/22/2004, Mark Sapiro wrote: >Toby Reiter wrote: > > >set >VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes >in mm_cfg.py. > >Read about it in Defaults.py I would also like to implement this but all that I have read says VERP requires cooperation from the MTA. I am using the latest ver of Postfix. What do I have to do to make VERP and Postfix work together? Tim From msapiro at value.net Sun Jul 25 19:31:21 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:31:21 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line on Invite Messages In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040725115638.03229e30@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <PC1700200407251031210828dcaf5bd1@msapiro> Speedy Gonzalis wrote: > >I would also like to implement this but all that I have read says VERP requires cooperation from the MTA. I am using the latest ver of Postfix. What do I have to do to make VERP and Postfix work together? > I don't know if any specific configuration is required with postfix or how to do it if it is, but the basic requirement is that an incoming message to your site (i.e. the reply to a confirmation) which is addressed in the form list-confirm+23a6e1fdf979dd223e7466e95deb10f486ba3b79 at your.site be delivered as if it were addressed to list-confirm at your.site I.e. the "+" is special and everything starting with "+" up to but not including "@" is ignored in figuring where to deliver the mail. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sun Jul 25 19:46:42 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:46:42 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Text and virus infections (was: Per-user anonymity? nickname capability?) In-Reply-To: <200407252209.27315.frodo000@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <PC17002004072510464202650670e8d3@msapiro> James Sinnamon wrote: > >Sorry to ask such a basic question, but ... > >If e-mail is restricted to text only, we can be 100% >(99.99999999998% ?) confident that a user will >never be infected with a virus? > Assuming you mean plain text (ie text/plain and NOT text/html), you are still at risk of delivering e-mail containing uuencoded malware (worms, trojans, and virus infected programs). The risk is not large, because most worms send themselves as MIME attachments, not uuencoded, but a uuencoded file is (or can be) part of a text/plain message and is still recognized and decoded as an attachment by some MUAs. Under the theory that false security is worse than no security, I would say you can't be confident at all. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From alblack at achilles.net Sun Jul 25 20:29:22 2004 From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black) Date: 25 Jul 2004 14:29:22 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Text and virus infections (was: Per-user anonymity? nickname capability?) In-Reply-To: <PC17002004072510464202650670e8d3@msapiro> References: <PC17002004072510464202650670e8d3@msapiro> Message-ID: <1090780164.19806.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey Mark, all. On Sun, 2004-07-25 at 13:46, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Assuming you mean plain text (ie text/plain and NOT text/html), you are > still at risk of delivering e-mail containing uuencoded malware > (worms, trojans, and virus infected programs). The risk is not large, > because most worms send themselves as MIME attachments, not uuencoded, > but a uuencoded file is (or can be) part of a text/plain message and > is still recognized and decoded as an attachment by some MUAs. I take it that running demime or strip mime doesn't help with this susceptablity either, right? al From mm at tecnopolis.ca Sun Jul 25 22:04:31 2004 From: mm at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:04:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] FC1 update to 2.1.5 leaves me with -1 requests waiting Message-ID: <200407252004.i6PK4V2B031706@pog.tecnopolis.ca> I just updated my FC1 to the latest mailman version. I followed the instructions in the notice that said to stop mm first and start it again after. However, I seem to still be getting the "-1 requests waiting" bug. All my lists reported this last night. How can I clear this up? (I searched July's archives and google and found now reference to this???) From zthomas at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 22 05:11:17 2004 From: zthomas at sbcglobal.net (Tim Thomas) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:11:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Help Message-ID: <000001c46f99$8e9ab700$6501a8c0@tim> All, I looked at your help page for why I do not get e-mails when a list is created and I found this. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.007.htp> &file=faq01.007.htp The problem is I am new to linux and I would like to know how to do some of these things.ie restart the cron or where are the log files located for mailman and MTA? Thank you for help, Regards, Tim From tplacek at eng.auburn.edu Thu Jul 22 14:33:47 2004 From: tplacek at eng.auburn.edu (Tim Placek) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:33:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete a thread or message. Message-ID: <007d01c46fe8$23fa0460$5d11cc83@eng.auburn.edu> I am the manager of a list at Auburn University. When we initially configured our list we allows "anyone" to post to the list (without review). This produced several messages in one thread that we would like to delete. Is there any facility within Mailman for this operation? Thanks! Tim Placek -- Timothy D. Placek, Ph.D. Undergraduate Program Committee Chair Department of Chemical Engineering 230 Ross Hall Auburn University, AL 36830-5127 Phone: (334)844-2022 Fax: (334)844-2063 Email: tplacek at eng.auburn.edu Webpage: <http://www.eng.auburn.edu/users/tplacek> http://www.eng.auburn.edu/users/tplacek From sandyc at ctconstruction.org Thu Jul 22 18:55:50 2004 From: sandyc at ctconstruction.org (Sandra Civitello) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:55:50 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman software Message-ID: <8BAA985D1FE46A478A732E78FEF5B7A73FA051@ccia> Our company is interested in using mailman to handle our membership emails. Can I get a quote and more info?? Sandy Civitello Controller CT Construction Industries Assoc., Inc. 860-529-6855 From trevor at tecnopolis.ca Thu Jul 22 19:29:30 2004 From: trevor at tecnopolis.ca (Trevor Cordes) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:29:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FC1 update to 2.1.5 leaves me with -1 requests waiting Message-ID: <20040722172930.GA2157@pog.tecnopolis.ca> I just updated my FC1 to the latest mailman version. I followed the instructions in the notice that said to stop mm first and start it again after. However, I seem to still be getting the "-1 requests waiting" bug. All my lists reported this last night. How can I clear this up? (I searched July's archives and google and found now reference to this???) From alec at wrybread.com Fri Jul 23 00:10:30 2004 From: alec at wrybread.com (Alec Bennett) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:10:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Probs with Mailman 2.1 & Redhat 9.0 Message-ID: <1090534230.41003b56eedf7@webmail.wrybread.com> I'm going crazy and wondering if anyone can figure this one out. I'm trying to get Mailman 2.1 running on Redhat 9.0, almost there, but still one humungous problem: none of the list emails get sent out, and nothing is recorded to the archives. Interestingly, administrative emails (subscription notifications, etc.) work fine. Anyone have any idea about this? Thanks tremendously for any help. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From jrh65 at ccil.org Sat Jul 24 09:20:40 2004 From: jrh65 at ccil.org (John R. Hamilton) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 03:20:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to include message "subject" in admin requests? Message-ID: <000901c4714e$b9f3d8d0$6400a8c0@OFFICE> If so, how is this accomplished? TIA! John R. Hamilton HYPERLINK "mailto:jrh65 at ccil.org"jrh65 at ccil.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.725 / Virus Database: 480 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 From sinnamon at westnet.com.au Sun Jul 25 06:05:37 2004 From: sinnamon at westnet.com.au (James Sinnamon) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:05:37 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with virus spoofing to customer lists In-Reply-To: <q5NLttHu2v$AFAE7@btconnect.com> References: <003501c46f4f$db41d240$a303320a@spot> <q5NLttHu2v$AFAE7@btconnect.com> Message-ID: <200407251405.37403.sinnamon@westnet.com.au> Tony, On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:35 am, Rod Neep wrote: > Set the max message size to 15Kb .... then the viruses will not get > through to the list. Tony, I have changed the maximum message size from 40 KB to 15 KB according to this recommendation from the Mailman mailing list. Anything larger than 15KB will require your approval. regards, James From wolfgang at riedmann.it Sun Jul 25 13:21:33 2004 From: wolfgang at riedmann.it (Wolfgang Riedmann) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:21:33 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman archives requiring logons Message-ID: <4103B3DD.20716.1AC7650@localhost> Hi, I have a mailman installation on a Debian 3 Woody server. For a list I have configured the archive option o be active only for subscribed users. When I now try to access the archive, it ask email and password as it should be, and after a succesful login, I can select the messages I would like to see. When I then select a thread, it asks me again to login. What can be wrong? Session cookies should be active. I have tried with IE5, Opera 7.23 and Mozilla 1.5.... TIA Wolfgang -- -- Wolfgang Riedmann -- Individuelle EDV-L?sungen - Soluzioni informatiche personalizzate -- I-39012 Meran, V. Laurin-Str. 2d -- http://www.riedmann.it - wolfgang at riedmann.it From msapiro at value.net Sun Jul 25 22:10:19 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:10:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Text and virus infections (was: Per-useranonymity? nickname capability?) In-Reply-To: <1090780164.19806.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <PC1700200407251310190390cf65e8f9@msapiro> Al Black wrote: > >I take it that running demime or strip mime doesn't help with this >susceptablity either, right? > I'm not intimately familiar with all these tools, but generally, they remove all MIME encoded parts which are not Content-Type: text/plain. They may also try to render text/html content as plain text. The issue is a uuencoded file such as begin 644 test 05&AI<R!I<R!A('1E<W0N"G]_ ` end is plain text, at least in the MIME sense, and can be embedded in a plain text part or a non-mime message just as the above is. Unless the MIME stripping tool specifically looks for and removes such uuencoded data from plain text, it won't be removed. At least some of the MIME stripping tools don't do this removal. In spite of the fact that this message is just one text/plain part (as I send it anyway), some MUAs - MS Outlook Express for one - will extract the above uuencoded file and call it an attachment. Thus it is possible to slip "attached" files of any type past some MIME removal tools and have them appear as attachments to some MUAs. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From support at obantec.net Sun Jul 25 22:17:27 2004 From: support at obantec.net (Obantec Support) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:17:27 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FC1 update to 2.1.5 leaves me with -1 requestswaiting References: <200407252004.i6PK4V2B031706@pog.tecnopolis.ca> Message-ID: <000c01c47284$6bccf420$0a01a8c0@gamma> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Cordes" <mm at tecnopolis.ca> To: <mailman-users at python.org> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 9:04 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] FC1 update to 2.1.5 leaves me with -1 requestswaiting > I just updated my FC1 to the latest mailman version. I followed the > instructions in the notice that said to stop mm first and start it again > after. However, I seem to still be getting the "-1 requests waiting" bug. > All my lists reported this last night. > > How can I clear this up? > > (I searched July's archives and google and found now reference to this???) > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.038.htp> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > I hit this today. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.038.htp Mark From msapiro at value.net Sun Jul 25 22:22:06 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:22:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FC1 update to 2.1.5 leaves me with -1 requestswaiting In-Reply-To: <200407252004.i6PK4V2B031706@pog.tecnopolis.ca> Message-ID: <PC1700200407251322060765cf65ea63@msapiro> Trevor Cordes wrote: >I just updated my FC1 to the latest mailman version. I followed the >instructions in the notice that said to stop mm first and start it again >after. However, I seem to still be getting the "-1 requests waiting" bug. >All my lists reported this last night. > >How can I clear this up? See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.038.htp >(I searched July's archives and google and found now reference to this???) > See the threads "[Mailman-Users] -1 request(s)" and "[Mailman-Users] phantom moderation requests" in the July archive. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From lilvalo at mikiboy.com Sun Jul 25 22:30:22 2004 From: lilvalo at mikiboy.com (Valmiki N. Ramsewak) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:30:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderateing requests not working Message-ID: <20040725203022.GT2279@mikiboy.com> Hi, I just upgraded to 2.1.5 . It seems to be working fine. THe only problem is this. A few mailing lists on the server, have all messages stopped and need to be approved by moderator. Well the messages reach there fine, emails the moderators there are msessages there, and emails the sender its waiting to be moderated. Then the moderaotr logs in and tells it to approve the message and hits submit. And nothing happens. A few times I got 405 Method not allowed error, but that seems to have gone away. So now the messages are jus stuck watiing for approval. And none of the actions seem to get rid of them. I've run the bin/check_perms and there are no problems Besides taht it works fine. Would appreciate any help please. THanks Valmiki -- Got Speed? www.mikiboy.com aim: lilvalo From msapiro at value.net Sun Jul 25 22:37:11 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:37:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete a thread or message. In-Reply-To: <007d01c46fe8$23fa0460$5d11cc83@eng.auburn.edu> Message-ID: <PC1700200407251337110203cf65e836@msapiro> Tim Placek wrote: >I am the manager of a list at Auburn University. When we initially >configured our list we allows "anyone" to post to the list (without review). >This produced several messages in one thread that we would like to delete. >Is there any facility within Mailman for this operation? See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sun Jul 25 22:59:53 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:59:53 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman software In-Reply-To: <8BAA985D1FE46A478A732E78FEF5B7A73FA051@ccia> Message-ID: <PC1700200407251359530140cf65e821@msapiro> Sandra Civitello wrote: >Our company is interested in using mailman to handle our membership >emails. Can I get a quote and more info?? > See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.003.htp and http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.017.htp -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sun Jul 25 23:02:31 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:02:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Probs with Mailman 2.1 & Redhat 9.0 In-Reply-To: <1090534230.41003b56eedf7@webmail.wrybread.com> Message-ID: <PC1700200407251402310234cf65e869@msapiro> Alec Bennett wrote: > >I'm going crazy and wondering if anyone can figure this one out. I'm trying to >get Mailman 2.1 running on Redhat 9.0, almost there, but still one humungous >problem: none of the list emails get sent out, and nothing is recorded to the >archives. > >Interestingly, administrative emails (subscription notifications, etc.) work fine. > >Anyone have any idea about this? See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Mon Jul 26 01:33:15 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:33:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete a thread or message. In-Reply-To: <007d01c46fe8%2423fa0460%245d11cc83%40eng.auburn.edu> Message-ID: <PC1700200407251633150453cf65e934@msapiro> I just added the following caveat to the FAQ at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp CAVEAT: If you delete entire messages from the archive two side effects occur: 1) Threading may be broken - if C is In-Reply-To: B which is In-Reply-To: A, and B is deleted, C will no longer be threaded with A. 2) Messages will be renumbered - this may be important if there are saved links to archive messages. Since the message number is part of the URI, the saved link will no longer work or will retrieve the wrong message. To avoid these problems, instead of deleting the entire message, leave the headers intact and replace the body with "Message deleted" or some other meaningful text. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From fshagan at ev1.net Mon Jul 26 01:40:28 2004 From: fshagan at ev1.net ( fshagan) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:40:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MSN and HotMail "Eating" Messages Message-ID: <200407251840.AA7208996@mail.ev1.net> Recently, my Mailman list users who use either a HotMail or MSN.COM email address have not received any messages. Mailman does not record a "bounce" from these email addresses, but they do not receive any of the list traffic. When trying to send a message to a Mailman list, the user gets the following error message: "This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed." And it lists the Mailman list email address. However, Mailman does not receive a bounce message. (My server is not listed with SpamHaus.org, or any of the other blacklists, so it should not be a spam filter sort of thing). One user requested help from MSN, and they responded with: "You are experiencing this issue because your .Net Passport <user's email address here> Profile (which is extensively used for authentication purposes) is corrupted (not updated). In order to resolve this issue, I would suggest you to Update your .NET passport profile." They follow that with instructions to go to their MSN .NET Passport profile and re-type all the information by hand (not by cut and paste). Then a 15-step procedure is given to delete all cookies, history and temporary internet files and re-set the disk cache (space for files) to 10MB. They believe that will solve the problem but alas, it has not for the 4 users I have with MSN or HotMail email addresses. Anyone else run into this and resolved it? I didn't see anything in the archives. If any of you have users with MSN or HotMail addresses, be advised they probably will not be able to receive emails, but you will not get "bounce" messages. They only way they will know is if they try to post to a Mailman list. From mml at mail.cboh.org Mon Jul 26 05:29:33 2004 From: mml at mail.cboh.org (Rob Stampfli) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:29:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New mailman admin questions Message-ID: <20040726032933.GA24515@cboh-t.cboh.org> I am a new administrator of a mailman 2.1.5 package on a Linux Fedora Core 1 box, as well as being new subscriber to this group, so my apologies in advance if my questions have been asked and answered elsewhere. I have looked through the FAQ at www.python.org (excellent document, btw) and didn't really find any answers to the following there. So... 1. Is it possible to cause 'config_list -i' to take input from stdin instead of a file? 2. I can force a list to be associated with a particular virtual host by using 'config_list' to modify "web_page_url" (but it complains when doing so). Is there a better way to do this? And, while we're on the topic of "web_page_url", why is "web_page_url" not listed among the parameters reported by 'config_list -o'? 3. Is there any reason to have the "News" qrunner active if I'm not passing any mail to a news server? (I have turned it off in my mm_cfg.py.) 4. Can I invoke the qrunner task from cron ('qrunner -o -r All') on a regular basis in lieu of running qrunner as a background daemon? I think this is the way it used to work. It would seem this might be a reasonable tradeoff of CPU cycles for memory for me in my slice of a low-memory VPS. (It appears to me that running qrunner as a daemon, with the associated processes takes about 25 Megs of memory.) Will this cause any problems (besides making the cron logs balloon)? 5. The FAQ discusses several ways of forcing mailman to use a secure apache connection (https). Is there a way of forcing the admin functions to a secure connection, without requiring the same for the list users? (Actually, this may be moot, as it appears one can explicitly use https initially to protect the admin password when logging in; encrypting the rest of the session is less important to me. But, I'd like to force all administrative users to use a secure link, at least during the authentication phase.) Thanks in advance, Rob From peter at for-wild.org Sun Jul 25 22:31:10 2004 From: peter at for-wild.org (Peter Chen) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:31:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list not found Message-ID: <POEEJBFBPNNBKKBANMPPCEEPCDAA.peter@for-wild.org> I get Mailman from my hosting service as a web-only interface. Recently, they moved me to a new server, and I've been getting this error on all my lists: list not found: mylist_mydomain This is coming from /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman post I snooped around a bit (I do not have shell access), and found that my lists reside in a drectory called /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/lists/mylist_mydomain In there I find a request.pck file. Looking ar other lists for other domains (presumably they work), it seems they have a config.pck file as well as a config.pck.last. How can I fix this problem? It's been a week and my hosting support doesn't seem to have a clue. Did they somehow not copy these files over when they moved me? Can these files simply be copied over from the old server? Thanks for any help! Peter From Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk Mon Jul 26 14:34:13 2004 From: Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk (Rob Hackney) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:34:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing query Message-ID: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC978@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> I've read thru the faq but not managed to find the answer and also searched the archives using terms: bounce processing postmaster copy in various combinations. I've found a similar post from someone but no answer: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg08869.html http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg08593.html I have an alias for postmaster set up for postfix and I've just checked that mailbox. I sent out a newsletter over the weekend and now have 2k messages in the postmaster alias mailbox They all have the same subject: postmaster copy: undelivered mail and are all from same sender: mailer-daemon at lists.domain.co.uk I have set my bounce processing options to Yes under notify list owner. My threshold is set at 5.0 so I guess I have an 8 day wait now until I see if a subscriber is disabled. Would I be correct in assuming that mailman is still processing bounces and is sending a copy to postmaster - as the subject states that the bounce is a postmaster copy? I know that a lot of this question may appear to be more a postfix/ procmail issue, but I wanted to check on the process Mailman does for bounces. Thanks This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: postmaster at tkcsales.co.uk then delete the email. Scanned for viruses by MailDefender From Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk Mon Jul 26 14:56:11 2004 From: Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk (Rob Hackney) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:56:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing SMTPDirect.py Message-ID: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC979@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> I am having the problem detailed in: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp And have used the hack described. This shouldn't create problems for us as we run an announce only list. Any replies get sent to list admin and if some does a reply_all then this has an autoresponder stating announce only list. I've also tested with duff email addresses and all seem ok. I don't know python and doubt I can pick it up that quickly so this question may seem daft. I am wondering whether is is possible to edit the line: msg['Sender'] = envsender And replace the envsender with an actual name and email address that will be used everytime a newsletter etc is sent out? eg msg['Sender'] = (Company Newsletter 'newsletter at list.domain.co.uk') Haven't been able to find any other relevant info thanks This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: postmaster at tkcsales.co.uk then delete the email. Scanned for viruses by MailDefender From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in Mon Jul 26 16:03:54 2004 From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:33:54 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] New mailman admin questions In-Reply-To: <20040726032933.GA24515@cboh-t.cboh.org> References: <20040726032933.GA24515@cboh-t.cboh.org> Message-ID: <17395.195.212.28.100.1090850634.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> > 1. Is it possible to cause 'config_list -i' to take input from > stdin instead of a file? ** I don't think its possible. > 2. I can force a list to be associated with a particular virtual > host by using 'config_list' to modify "web_page_url" (but it > complains when doing so). Is there a better way to do this? > And, while we're on the topic of "web_page_url", why is > "web_page_url" not listed among the parameters reported by > 'config_list -o'? ** do it with "withlist" > 3. Is there any reason to have the "News" qrunner active if I'm > not passing any mail to a news server? (I have turned it off > in my mm_cfg.py.) ** Let them as they are ! > 4. Can I invoke the qrunner task from cron ('qrunner -o -r All') > on a regular basis in lieu of running qrunner as a background > daemon? I think this is the way it used to work. It would > seem this might be a reasonable tradeoff of CPU cycles for > memory for me in my slice of a low-memory VPS. (It appears > to me that running qrunner as a daemon, with the associated > processes takes about 25 Megs of memory.) Will this cause > any problems (besides making the cron logs balloon)? ** Try it ! > 5. The FAQ discusses several ways of forcing mailman to use a > secure apache connection (https). Is there a way of forcing > the admin functions to a secure connection, without requiring > the same for the list users? (Actually, this may be moot, > as it appears one can explicitly use https initially to > protect the admin password when logging in; encrypting the > rest of the session is less important to me. But, I'd like > to force all administrative users to use a secure link, > at least during the authentication phase.) ** can't say ... From zzizzle at zzizzle.com Mon Jul 26 16:09:42 2004 From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com (zzizzle.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:09:42 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dating Ring In-Reply-To: <20040726100034.D10A01E4007@bag.python.org> References: <20040726100034.D10A01E4007@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <70AD0BDB-DF0D-11D8-8622-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> I am building a dating system called Nerdlicious.com and I have a few questions: 1) I wanted to set it up so the emails of people posting to the group are covered up, but when members reply, it gets sent to the poster's email automatically - The replyer's email address is then revealed to that person only, and they can email from there if they are a good match. When I insert the reply address to use to cover up the anonymous posters' email address, I would guess I would lose that ability. Any suggestions? 2) I want groups separated by city, so people in Atlanta can join one group, people in NYC another, etc. And one each for straight / gay male / gay female, so I ended up creating many, many separate discussion lists. I get the feeling that I could be accomplishing this by setting up topics, or using the MAIL/NEWS gateways or some kind of content filtering, where people could choose which types of messages they want to receive. Any suggestions? 3) I was also curious how secure these lists are from hackers... if anyone has built them for kids, if the security is high enough to attempt that. Thanks a lot guys! Jonathan zzizzle.com - Adventures in Human Happiness.? From msapiro at value.net Mon Jul 26 17:24:23 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:24:23 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing query In-Reply-To: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC978@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> Message-ID: <PC1700200407260824230984f214dccf@msapiro> Rob Hackney wrote: > >I know that a lot of this question may appear to be more a postfix/ >procmail issue, Yep (does mail to listname-bounces get delivered properly to mailman?) >but I wanted to check on the process Mailman does for >bounces. > Mailman receives the bounce and processes it according to the options set on the administration->Bounce Processing page. It doesn't send it to "postmaster". Check the Mailman bounce log. This may be ~mailman/logs/bounce or somewhere else depending on your installation. That will tell you whether Mailman is seeing the bounces. The smtp log and other logs in the same directory may also be of interest. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From joshg at brainstorminternet.net Mon Jul 26 17:57:03 2004 From: joshg at brainstorminternet.net (Joshua Ginsberg) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:57:03 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Release: MSSQL/Sybase and MySQL adaptors for Mailman 2.1.5 Message-ID: <1090857422.19849.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello -- I've made the preliminary release of a modified Mailman 2.1.5 distribution tagged 2.1.5bsi-0.1 which includes some simple modifications to allow subscriber data to be stored in a MySQL database or a MSSQL/Sybase database. It is freely available at: http://kraken.brainstorminternet.net/public/joshg/mailman/ Thanks to the Mailman guys for writing this excellent software and engineering it so well that this was pretty damn easy to do! -jag -- Joshua Ginsberg <joshg at brainstorminternet.net> Brainstorm Internet Network Operations From gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com Mon Jul 26 18:46:09 2004 From: gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com (Jim Gammon) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Worm Message-ID: <20040726164609.19914.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Hi folks, a Newbie here. Suddenly our list is generating a high volume of messages about our mail being unacceptable, and one saying we seem to be infected with a worm. Any advice on what to do? Thanks Jim --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Mon Jul 26 18:50:19 2004 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (Kevin W. Gagel) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:50:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Worm Message-ID: <4105364b.365.a38.16995@cnc.bc.ca> Nothing you can do except to turn off any virus notifications your anti-virus software maybe generating. The notices you are getting are from the latest mydoom. All you can do is filter out notification you recieve and ride it out. ----- Original Message Follows ----- From: Jim Gammon <gtpjimgammon at yahoo.com> To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Worm Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:46:09 -0700 (PDT) > Hi folks, a Newbie here. > > Suddenly our list is generating a high volume of messages about our mail > being unacceptable, and one saying we seem to be infected with a worm. > > Any advice on what to do? > > Thanks > > Jim > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From chuqui at plaidworks.com Mon Jul 26 18:54:40 2004 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:54:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Worm In-Reply-To: <20040726164609.19914.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040726164609.19914.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7C877516-DF24-11D8-955E-000D93C23532@plaidworks.com> it's a new virus, sending itself out as return bounces. On Jul 26, 2004, at 9:46 AM, Jim Gammon wrote: > Hi folks, a Newbie here. > > Suddenly our list is generating a high volume of messages about our > mail being unacceptable, and one saying we seem to be infected with a > worm. > > Any advice on what to do? > > Thanks > > Jim > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From eslittles at ucdavis.edu Mon Jul 26 22:25:41 2004 From: eslittles at ucdavis.edu (Everett Littles) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:25:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist and no alias info Message-ID: <F6EEFE16-DF41-11D8-9981-000A95E9402A@ucdavis.edu> I just installed Mailman 2.1.5. After creating a new list I noticed that no mail was being sent from it. So I checked the FAQ and a red flag was raised in Section 2 where it says that after running "newlist" I should have 4 lines printed out. I do not see these four lines. I get the following: [soundwave:/Users/mailman/bin] admin# ./newlist Enter the name of the list: listfake Enter the email of the person running the list: faker at lfaker.org Initial listfake password: Hit enter to notify listfake owner... [soundwave:/Users/mailman/bin] admin# Anyone know what is going on here? Thanks From peter60563 at wideopenwest.com Mon Jul 26 23:58:39 2004 From: peter60563 at wideopenwest.com (Peter Chen) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:58:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list not found In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1090782546.1222.mailman-users@python.org> Message-ID: <POEEJBFBPNNBKKBANMPPOEFPCDAA.peter60563@wideopenwest.com> I get Mailman from my hosting service as a web-only interface. Recently, they moved me to a new server, and I've been getting this error on all my lists: list not found: mylist_mydomain This is coming from /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman post I snooped around a bit (I do not have shell access), and found that my lists reside in a drectory called /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/lists/mylist_mydomain In there I find a request.pck file. Looking ar other lists for other domains (presumably they work), it seems they have a config.pck file as well as a config.pck.last. How can I fix this problem? It's been a week and my hosting support doesn't seem to have a clue. Did they somehow not copy these files over when they moved me? Can these files simply be copied over from the old server? Thanks for any help! Peter From SpeedyGonzalis at softhome.net Tue Jul 27 01:45:04 2004 From: SpeedyGonzalis at softhome.net (Speedy Gonzalis) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:45:04 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] VERP + Postfix Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040726193951.00abc258@pop3.direcway.com> I tried to implement VERP so I could take advantage of the bounce tracking but postfix rejects the returned bounces as an unknown address. Does anyone here know how to set up Postfix with VERP? I read the VERP info on the Postfix site but it doesn't SEEM to apply to the way Mailman says it works. Thanks in advance. Tim From syost at triad.rr.com Tue Jul 27 02:07:27 2004 From: syost at triad.rr.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:07:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stitching together archives In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040726193951.00abc258@pop3.direcway.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040726193951.00abc258@pop3.direcway.com> Message-ID: <200407262007270031.0117C92E@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> About half of my archives were deleted by an over-zealous and under-smart system administrator. Fortunately I have a backup (so this is why you do backups! ) that is only missing a few days of the archives. The deletion, and backup, took place before I did an upgrade from 2.14 to 2.15 this weekend. My question: How do I stitch together the old 2.1.4 backups with the current set of archives that is 2.1.5. I also know there is some issues with combining archives in general I would like to see some discussion on. Thanks! PS: BTW Upgrading from 2.1.4 to 2.1.5 exposed about 166 phantom queue entries in my mailman moderation page and also fixed the problem I had where occasionally posts by members were generating bounce messages even though the posts were being delivered just fine. Spencer From relson at osagesoftware.com Tue Jul 27 02:25:54 2004 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:25:54 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] VERP + Postfix In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040726193951.00abc258@pop3.direcway.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040726193951.00abc258@pop3.direcway.com> Message-ID: <20040726202554.406e0571@osage.osagesoftware.com> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:45:04 -0400 Speedy Gonzalis wrote: > I tried to implement VERP so I could take advantage of the bounce > tracking but postfix rejects the returned bounces as an unknown > address. Does anyone here know how to set up Postfix with VERP? I > read the VERP info on the Postfix site but it doesn't SEEM to apply to > the way Mailman says it works. > > Thanks in advance. Tim, I think what you want is "recipient_delimiter". Look for it in /etc/postfix/main.cf HTH, David From msapiro at mail.value.net Tue Jul 27 02:46:58 2004 From: msapiro at mail.value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:46:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stitching together archives References: <PC1700200407261746580109d0b50c27@msapiro> Message-ID: <200407262127280640.01610D78@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> Spencer Yost wrote: >About half of my archives were deleted by an over-zealous and under-smart >system administrator. Fortunately I have a backup (so this is why you do >backups! ) that is only missing a few days of the archives. > >The deletion, and backup, took place before I did an upgrade from 2.14 to >2.15 this weekend. My question: How do I stitch together the old 2.1.4 >backups with the current set of archives that is 2.1.5. I also know there >is some issues with combining archives in general I would like to see some >discussion on. > The real question is do you have the $prefix/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file and is it complete or can you make it complete using your backups. If so, all you need do is $prefix/bin/arch --wipe listname You can combine several archive .mbox files in two ways. Either combine the .mbox files into one and do as above or do cd $prefix bin/mailmanctl stop <-- only if preserving numbering is an issue bin/arch --wipe listname path/to/first/file.mbox bin/arch listname path/to/second/file.mbox ... bin/arch listname <-- current (default) .mbox is last bin/mailmanctl start <-- only if stopped above When you combine archives in this way, there may be a numbering issue in that messages in the new archive are numbered in the order they are read/processed from the .mbox files. If you have saved links to archive messages and message numbering changes, the saved links will fail or will retrieve the wromg message. If you have the complete listname.mbox file and just rebuild the archive from that, numbering is not an issue. You may also find some of the info in http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp to be of interest. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com Tue Jul 27 04:22:34 2004 From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:22:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] VERP + Postfix In-Reply-To: <20040726202554.406e0571@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: <BD2B269A.C5F3%lstone19@stonejongleux.com> On 7/26/04 7:25 PM, David Relson at relson at osagesoftware.com wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:45:04 -0400 > Speedy Gonzalis wrote: > >> I tried to implement VERP so I could take advantage of the bounce >> tracking but postfix rejects the returned bounces as an unknown >> address. Does anyone here know how to set up Postfix with VERP? I >> read the VERP info on the Postfix site but it doesn't SEEM to apply to >> the way Mailman says it works. > > I think what you want is "recipient_delimiter". Look for it in > /etc/postfix/main.cf Yes. From main.cf: # ADDRESS EXTENSIONS (e.g., user+foo) # # The recipient_delimiter parameter specifies the separator between # user names and address extensions (user+foo). See canonical(5), # local(8), relocated(5) and virtual(5) for the effects this has on # aliases, canonical, virtual, relocated and .forward file lookups. # Basically, the software tries user+foo and .forward+foo before # trying user and .forward. # #recipient_delimiter = + Uncomment the command, restart, and it should work. -- Larry Stone larry at stonejongleux.com http://www.stonejongleux.com/ From rothmail at comcast.net Tue Jul 27 06:38:56 2004 From: rothmail at comcast.net (David A.Roth) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:38:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help to help a friend! Message-ID: <DF21C71C-DF86-11D8-8AE0-0030657BA8EE@comcast.net> I'm new to the list, so please be kind. :-) A friend of mine running Mailman successfully on a Linux system for years moved and got another job. To make a long story short, he has a Tar file of his entire Linux system with Mailman (1.9 gigs) and wants to be able to send out an e-mail announcement to the people on that list now informing them of a delay until he gets the list back up. Right now, he doesn't have access to a Linux system, but does have this Tar file on a Mac OS X (with Darwin), so he can unTar this file. I have offered to help him, if I can. We would like to be able to retrieve a list of subscribers from his Mailman installation's Tar file. I can help him with OS X's Darwin and Linux, but have not yet worked with Mailman. Q: What is the directory path to where the e-mail addresses of the subscribers in Mailman reside? (He has been hosting only one list including its digest users.) Q: Can these e-mail addresses be extracted (exported) to an ASCII file without the use of executing any Mailman software? Thank in advance! David Roth rothmail at comcast.net From kremels at kreme.com Tue Jul 27 10:58:40 2004 From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:58:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stitching together archives In-Reply-To: <200407262007270031.0117C92E@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040726193951.00abc258@pop3.direcway.com> <200407262007270031.0117C92E@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> Message-ID: <279057AB-DFAB-11D8-B67A-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com> On 26 Jul 2004, at 18:07, Spencer Yost wrote: > About half of my archives were deleted by an over-zealous and > under-smart > system administrator. Fortunately I have a backup (so this is why you > do > backups! ) that is only missing a few days of the archives. What the hell does this have to do with the VERP + Postfix message your replied to? -- Well I've seen the Heart of Darkness/Read the writing on the wall/and the voice out in the desert/Was the voice out in the hall From Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk Tue Jul 27 12:14:12 2004 From: Rob.hackney at tkcsales.co.uk (Rob Hackney) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:14:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help to help a friend! Message-ID: <584CA90AA4A93C41943A1FAC8573CFD94DC980@ernie.tkcsales.co.uk> I'm new to this myself but I'll try - someone will probably correct me... For both the below questions, I believe that the software will need to be installed > Q: What is the directory path to where the e-mail addresses of the > subscribers in Mailman reside? (He has been hosting only one list > including its digest users.) Don't know sorry > Q: Can these e-mail addresses be extracted (exported) to an > ASCII file > without the use of executing any Mailman software? Don't think so. You can install it and run the list_members command and export that to a file This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: postmaster at tkcsales.co.uk then delete the email. Scanned for viruses by MailDefender From eslittles at ucdavis.edu Tue Jul 27 16:16:11 2004 From: eslittles at ucdavis.edu (Everett Littles) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 07:16:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced Messages Message-ID: <82D1190C-DFD7-11D8-94C8-000A95E9402A@ucdavis.edu> When sending to any of the lists on my server, I get the following error message via email: The Postfix program <testlist at test.com>: Command died with status 8: "/Users/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist". Command output: Failure to find group name nobody. Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the command line option --with-mail-gid. When I initially configured Mailman I ran: ./configure --prefix=/Users/mailman --with-mail-gid=-2 --with-cgi-gid=www I tried creating a group called nobody and that did not help things. Do I need to start the whole process over with a "valid" group? Found nothing about this in the archives or the FAQ that seemed related. Thanks. From jdhouse4 at jdhouse4.com Mon Jul 26 10:32:14 2004 From: jdhouse4 at jdhouse4.com (James Hillhouse) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:32:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OS X Server 10.3.4 Issues Message-ID: <4C01F969-DEDE-11D8-89AE-000A95A868A0@jdhouse4.com> I could be wrong about this, but I recalled about a month or so ago coming across something on the Mailman site about issues for OS X 10.3.4 users. Mailman is broken now that I upgraded from OS X Server 10.3.2 to .4. I know this isn't your problem (it's Apple's), but if there is some fix, I'd love to hear about it. The error I get when creating a new mailing list using my browser is enclosed below. Thanks, Jim Hillhouse jdhouse4 at nwerx.com Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create _update_maps() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /private/var/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) Variable Value sys.version 2.3 (#1, Sep 13 2003, 00:49:11) [GCC 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1495)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3 sys.exec_prefix /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3 sys.path /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3 sys.platform darwin Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_REFERER http://serverone.nwerx.com/mailman/create SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.29 (Darwin) DAV/1.0.3 PHP/4.3.2 SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.29 Server at serverone.nwerx.com Port 16080 REQUEST_METHOD POST SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING CONTENT_LENGTH 155 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/146.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/146 HTTP_CONNECTION close HTTP_COOKIE nwerx+admin=280200000069bae003417328000000336264306134663365343736643065 36336439353038396365356665383933666261653437613932; nwerx- list+admin=280200000069b029044173280000003038343263326637396130313265303 7316333623862646139303066306138323138626465613830 SERVER_NAME serverone.nwerx.com REMOTE_ADDR 209.198.147.174 HTTP_PC_REMOTE_ADDR 66.68.98.59 SERVER_PORT 16080 SERVER_ADDR 209.198.147.174 DOCUMENT_ROOT /Users/nwerx/Sites PYTHONPATH /usr/share/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/share/mailman/cgi-bin/create SERVER_ADMIN admin at nwerx.com SCRIPT_URI http://serverone.nwerx.com:16080/mailman/create HTTP_HOST serverone.nwerx.com SCRIPT_URL /mailman/create REQUEST_URI /mailman/create HTTP_ACCEPT */* GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 REMOTE_PORT 49766 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en, ja;q=0.92, ja-jp;q=0.96, fr;q=0.88, de-de;q=0.85, de;q=0.81, es;q=0.77, it-it;q=0.73, it;q=0.69, nl-nl;q=0.65, nl;q=0.62, sv-se;q=0.58, sv;q=0.54, no-no;q=0.50, no;q=0.46, da-dk;q=0.42, da;q=0.38, fi-fi;q=0.35, fi;q=0.31 __CF_USER_TEXT_ENCODING 0x46:0:0 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate;q=1.0, identity;q=0.5, *;q=0 From r.jandin at intrasoft.lu Mon Jul 26 13:03:32 2004 From: r.jandin at intrasoft.lu (JANDIN, Renaud) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:03:32 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and windows Message-ID: <A2DF56E8BC9B964884DD1A7C9C812C0F03BD311F@mailsvr.INTRASOFT.LU> Dear all, We would like to use mailman in a windows environment. Is it possible? Can you help? By using cygwin we cannot have private mailing lists but we need to have private mailing lists. Any hints on how we can do that? Thanks From silviu_marin-caea at genesys.ro Mon Jul 26 17:22:03 2004 From: silviu_marin-caea at genesys.ro (Silviu Marin-Caea) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:22:03 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Major Bug (no more delivery to any list) in mailman 2.0.14 Message-ID: <6890928.1090855323145.SLOX.WebMail.wwwrun@mail.genesys.ro> Upon receiving a message like bellow (and similar messages) that are virus social engineering without the viral payload, mailman, specifically qrunner, chokes for good, and does not deliver any message that follows, on any list. There's the relevant excerpt from error log bellow. I still have the .msg and .db files that, if moved to /var/lib/mailman/qfiles, can reproduce the error, always. They're here: ftp://ftp.genesys.ro/upload/mailman-error System is SUSE Openexchange Server 8, but it happened on SUSE LINUX 8.0 Professional too, which used mailman 2.0.x. From zoltank67 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 24 22:42:00 2004 Return-Path: <zoltank67 at hotmail.com> Delivered-To: networking-request at genesys.ro Received: from mail.genesys.ro (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.genesys.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373B96BA85 for <networking-request at genesys.ro>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:42:00 +0300 (EEST) Received: by mail.genesys.ro (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 24F906E21E; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:42:00 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay8-f8.bay8.hotmail.com [64.4.27.8]) by mail.genesys.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D926E21A for <networking-request at genesys.ro>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:41:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:41:55 -0700 Received: from 80.97.222.9 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:41:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [80.97.222.9] X-Originating-Email: [zoltank67 at hotmail.com] X-Sender: zoltank67 at hotmail.com From: "Keresztes Zoltan" <zoltank67 at hotmail.com> To: networking-request at genesys.ro Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:41:55 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <BAY8-F8Y9IuXZ2y2Fko000034a2 at hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2004 19:41:55.0660 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E4338C0:01C45A23] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on mail.genesys.ro X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-BitDefender-Scanner: Clean, Agent: BitDefender POSTFIX 1.5.7 on mail confirm 641541 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): Traceback (most recent call last): Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ? Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): kids = main(lock) Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg , msgdata) Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg) Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailCommand Handler.py", line 163, in ParseMailCommands Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): splitsubj = string.split(subject) Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): File "/usr/lib/python2.2/string.py", line 117, in split Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): return s.split(sep, maxsplit) Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): AttributeError : 'NoneType' object has no a ttribute 'split' From jstephenson at surplusrecord.com Tue Jul 27 03:43:00 2004 From: jstephenson at surplusrecord.com (Jon Stephenson Jr.) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:43:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Email Question Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040726213304.029c8840@mail.comcast.net> Hello Mailman: My name is Jon Stephenson, I am the VP of Sales for Surplus Record, Inc., our company is an active user of Mailman software. My question has to do with your Digest email format. Is it possible to format the digest email that mailman distributes to our list, where every individual email subject contained at the beginning of the digest, is a hyper link to the content of that respective email that is located further down in the digest? Also, we would like to be able to have our clientele have the ability to print 1 email out at a time that is contained in the digest email, instead of printing all email that are contained in the digest. Is there a way to format this as well, as to separate to respective email from each other when printing? For example print page 7 for email # 7? Thank you for your time and attention to these questions. Regards, Jon Stephenson =============================================== Surplus Record, Inc. P.O. Box 700 Holicong, PA 18928 Jon R. Stephenson Jr.; Vice President-Sales Tel: (215) 862-4980 Fax: (215) 862-4981 Mobile: (267) 337-2821 E-Mail: jstephenson at surplusrecord.com http://www.surplusrecord.com/ =============================================== From masamichi.hayashi at ntt.com Tue Jul 27 05:59:03 2004 From: masamichi.hayashi at ntt.com (Masamichi.Hayashi) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:59:03 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] these files needed? Message-ID: <4105D307.5070402@mint.ntt.com> Hi, I hope this does not sound a silly question, but... I recently downloaded mailman-2.5.1.tgz from the sourceforge.net. After decompressing it, I noticed it contains under the test/msgs folder a nimda.txt and a bad_01.txt. Are these files and the folder really what are supposed to be released as part of the mailman package? Sam masamichi.hayashi at ntt.com From masamichi.hayashi at ntt.com Tue Jul 27 06:11:06 2004 From: masamichi.hayashi at ntt.com (Masamichi.Hayashi) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:11:06 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OS/Browser supported by Mailman Message-ID: <4105D5DA.1090607@mint.ntt.com> Hi, This may actually be a peripheral type of question about Mailman, but... I need to tell our users what OS's/browsers and their versions are supported by Mailman. I think this is related to how the HTML tags are composed dynamically by Mailman and the syntaxes used there are fairly conservaitve and can support virtually every browser available in the modern market. Still I need some specific suggestions regarding the MS Windows OS's, MS Internet Explorer and Mozilla/Netscape browsers with their versions that are completely compatible with Mailman. And which are not. Thanks in advance for your advice. Sam masamichi.hayashi at ntt.com From cain at fn1.tfn.net Tue Jul 27 13:30:55 2004 From: cain at fn1.tfn.net (Joseph Cain) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 07:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with Digest options Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407270727220.32164-100000@fn1.tfn.net> I submitted a post to waverly-l at tfn.net Saturday and it appeared in the Archive. However, it was not sent out to the Digest mailing list until I triggered its so doing manually. However,in the Digest options I have the item checked for it to send out the digest daily even if the messages do not meet the limit. we are running 2.14 -- Joseph Cain cain at tfn.net (850) 385-0227 or fax after prior call to setup http://www.tfn.net/~cain From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Jul 27 17:29:05 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:29:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] these files needed? In-Reply-To: <4105D307.5070402@mint.ntt.com> References: <4105D307.5070402@mint.ntt.com> Message-ID: <B219088A-DFE1-11D8-BEE5-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On 27 Jul 2004, at 04:59, Masamichi.Hayashi wrote: > Hi, > > I hope this does not sound a silly question, but... > > I recently downloaded mailman-2.5.1.tgz from the sourceforge.net. After > decompressing it, I noticed it contains under the test/msgs folder a > nimda.txt and a bad_01.txt. Are these files and the folder really what > are supposed to be released as part of the mailman package? As the containing folder name implies these are test files, pat of the test suite and neither contain any live viruses. > > Sam > masamichi.hayashi at ntt.com From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in Tue Jul 27 18:02:38 2004 From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:32:38 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced Messages In-Reply-To: <82D1190C-DFD7-11D8-94C8-000A95E9402A@ucdavis.edu> References: <82D1190C-DFD7-11D8-94C8-000A95E9402A@ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <12554.195.212.28.100.1090944158.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> find out what user and group your mail server MTA is running with. If its nobody then you should give command: ./configure --prefix=/Users/mailman --with-mail-gid=nobody --with-cgi-gid=www If its postfix use this: ./configure --prefix=/Users/mailman --with-mail-gid=postfix --with-cgi-gid=www that's it ! --yogesh > When sending to any of the lists on my server, I get the following > error message via email: > > The Postfix program > > <testlist at test.com>: Command died with status 8: > "/Users/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist". Command output: > Failure to > find group name nobody. Try adding this group to your system, or > re-run > configure, providing an existing group name with the command line > option > --with-mail-gid. > > When I initially configured Mailman I ran: > > ./configure --prefix=/Users/mailman --with-mail-gid=-2 > --with-cgi-gid=www > > I tried creating a group called nobody and that did not help things. > Do I need to start the whole process over with a "valid" group? > Found nothing about this in the archives or the FAQ that seemed related. > > Thanks. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > --yogesh ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From neader at qth.com Tue Jul 27 18:15:44 2004 From: neader at qth.com (Scott Neader) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:15:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with Digest options In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0407270727220.32164-100000@fn1.tfn.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040727111305.05b84fb8@www3.qth.com> I had this same problem on a cPanel server. Turned out to be the mailman cron job was disappearing... was traced to a problem in a cPanel update script. Not sure if you are running cPanel or not. If you are, you should upgrade cPanel, as this problem has been fixed for about a month or so. If you are not running cPanel, then you might still check your mailman cron job. - Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Neader, Owner QTH.com - Internet Solutions http://www.QTH.com neader at qth.com At 07:30 AM 7/27/2004 -0400, you wrote: >I submitted a post to waverly-l at tfn.net Saturday and it appeared in the >Archive. > >However, it was not sent out to the Digest mailing list until I triggered >its so doing manually. > >However,in the Digest options I have the item checked for it to send out >the digest daily even if the messages do not meet the limit. > >we are running 2.14 > > > >-- >Joseph Cain cain at tfn.net >(850) 385-0227 or fax after prior call to setup >http://www.tfn.net/~cain > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From terry at webriver.net Tue Jul 27 18:36:13 2004 From: terry at webriver.net (Terry Robbins) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:36:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin login problems Message-ID: <13160744-DFEB-11D8-97CB-000393BD8520@webriver.net> Mailman has been working fine on our Mac OSX Server 10.3.4 for months. This morning when attempting to log in to the Admin interface Mailman is suddenly returning an error. Can anyone point me in the right direction to resolve this issue? Log in attempt returns the following: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 194, in main mlist.Save() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 515, in Save self.__save(dict) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 487, in __save os.unlink(fname_last) OSError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument: '/private/var/mailman/lists/mes-office/config.pck.last' <snip> Python Information and Environment Variables</Snip> Thanks in advance. Terry From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Tue Jul 27 19:40:59 2004 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (Kevin W. Gagel) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:40:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Best way to transfer lists to a new server Message-ID: <410693ab.ab.be8.14157@cnc.bc.ca> I'm replacing my mail/list server. My old one is runing RedHat 7.3 with mailman 2.1.4. My new one is running SUSE 8.0 with mailman 2.1.5. Whats the best way to transfer my lists and archives over to the new machine? ==================== Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator (250) 561-5848 local 448 (250) 562-2131 local 448 -------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. -------------------------------------------------------------- From jwblist at olympus.net Tue Jul 27 20:19:28 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:19:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OS X Server 10.3.4 Issues In-Reply-To: <4C01F969-DEDE-11D8-89AE-000A95A868A0@jdhouse4.com> Message-ID: <BD2BEAC0.144EF%jwblist@olympus.net> First, try the solution offered in <http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107906> I say "try" because that article makes the claim that the issue is resolved in 10.3.4. Look at the other 7 hits on the search term Mailman in the Support area at Apple...some are pretty clearly irrelevant, but one might match your problem since you don't say what's broken beyond showing the traceback. --John On 7/26/2004 1:32, "James Hillhouse" <jdhouse4 at jdhouse4.com> wrote: > I could be wrong about this, but I recalled about a month or so ago > coming across something on the Mailman site about issues for OS X > 10.3.4 users. Mailman is broken now that I upgraded from OS X Server > 10.3.2 to .4. I know this isn't your problem (it's Apple's), but if > there is some fix, I'd love to hear about it. The error I get when > creating a new mailing list using my browser is enclosed below. > > Thanks, > > Jim Hillhouse > jdhouse4 at nwerx.com > > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main > main() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main > process_request(doc, cgidata) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in > process_request > sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create > _update_maps() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in > _update_maps > raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) > RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias > /private/var/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) From sweil at gmx.de Tue Jul 27 21:27:03 2004 From: sweil at gmx.de (Simon Weil) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:27:03 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error after installation Message-ID: <20040727192707.C58A11E4002@bag.python.org> Hi Newsgroup, I've got a problem with the Mailman-installation. I installed Mailman as root on a RedHat 9-Server. Everything seems ok, but when I visit /admin in my web-browser I get a 500-Error (Internal Server Error). I tried to execute the admin-script in the shell as root, then I got the failure-message: <title>Mailman CGI error!!!

From spork at bway.net Thu Jul 1 03:12:44 2004 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscription options Message-ID: <20040630210122.T24700@toad.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com> Hello, I'm really happy with Mailman; I recently upgraded an install that was at least a year or two old, so I basically took ownership of the project. Nice stuff, especially with the htdig patches. I have one more little question. I don't want to let people do mass subscriptions via the web interface without an invite. Basically I figure if someone is going to go that route, I'd like to have the opportunity to catch any "spammy" activity, and I'd rather have the invite trigger that than the first message. Is there any way to disable the "Subscribe" option so that it HAS to be an "invite"? Thanks, Charles ___ Charles Sprickman NetEng/SysAdmin Bway.net - New York's Best Internet - www.bway.net spork at bway.net - 212.655.9344 From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in Thu Jul 1 13:22:14 2004 From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:52:14 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounced messages and VERP ?? Message-ID: <42464.195.212.28.100.1088680934.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> hi, I am using mailman with postfix. While testing mailman I created a list with two address. Both had same domain say "mydomain.com". When all was working fine, mailman/postfix used to copy a single mail to both the users. I had a problem with one of the IDs and the mail destined to it bounced few times. Later I fixed it, but found that now mailman (or postfix) has started copying two separate mails to both the users? What has changed? Is this a problem ? I may add more than 3000 users from the same domain and I don't want each user to get a separate copy! Please help/advice?? --yogesh From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in Thu Jul 1 13:24:57 2004 From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:54:57 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] From Address and non-member posts In-Reply-To: <20040630134417.GB4650@charite.de> References: <39553.195.212.28.100.1088602642.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> <20040630134417.GB4650@charite.de> Message-ID: <46962.195.212.28.100.1088681097.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> But suppose I really want to make sure that all recepients get the mail. Then how can I detect that mail delivery has failed for some users? It will simply keep me in dark and I may never know that someone is not getting any announcement! any advice?? --yogesh > * Yogesh Subhash Talekar : >> hi >> >> two questions: >> >> 1. When I post to my mailming list the From address comes like >> "mylist-bounces at mydomain.com". Why can't I have the from address as the >> address of the sender? > > Because that's where bounces go, and you want automatic unsubscription > to work, don't you? > > -- > Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) > Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de > Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Tel. +49 (0)30-450 > 570-155 > Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin Fax. +49 (0)30-450 > 570-916 > IT-Zentrum Standort Campus Mitte AIM. > ralfpostfix > --yogesh ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From hsteffin at pecos.de Thu Jul 1 13:33:31 2004 From: hsteffin at pecos.de (Hartmut Steffin) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:33:31 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages locked in "shunt" directory Message-ID: <40E3F68B.50401@pecos.de> hi guys, short question: why are my messages shunt? long description: since a few days the archives are not updated. everything else works, i.e. you can send messages, subscribers receive a.s.o. the archive does not reflect changes since a week or so. i looked into the directories. not only the html files are unchanged, but mboxes too. investigating further, i found a directory ~mailman/qfiles/shunt which seems to hold all messages since the last update. is there a cronjob missing? did i do s.th. stupid in configration? mailman-2.1.2-44 my cronjobs are: 0 8 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs 0 9 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled 0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests 0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds # 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news 27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip 57 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives permanently running processes belonging to mailman: ps -f -U mailman mailman 29958 1 0 Jun30 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -q start mailman 29960 29958 0 Jun30 ? 00:00:02 qrunner /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s mailman 29961 29958 0 Jun30 ? 00:00:00 qrunner /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s mailman 29962 29958 0 Jun30 ? 00:00:01 qrunner /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s mailman 29963 29958 0 Jun30 ? 00:00:04 qrunner /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s mailman 29964 29958 0 Jun30 ? 00:00:01 qrunner /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s mailman 29973 29958 0 Jun30 ? 00:00:06 qrunner /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s mailman 29974 29958 0 Jun30 ? 00:00:01 qrunner /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s tia Mit freundlichen Gr??en / regards Hartmut Steffin From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Jul 1 13:41:09 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:41:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounced messages and VERP ?? In-Reply-To: <42464.195.212.28.100.1088680934.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> References: <42464.195.212.28.100.1088680934.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> Message-ID: <8BC111C1-CB53-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On 1 Jul 2004, at 12:22, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote: > hi, > > I am using mailman with postfix. > While testing mailman I created a list with two address. Both had same > domain say "mydomain.com". > > When all was working fine, mailman/postfix used to copy a single mail > to > both the users. > I had a problem with one of the IDs and the mail destined to it bounced > few times. Later I fixed it, but found that now mailman (or postfix) > has > started copying two separate mails to both the users? > > What has changed? Is this a problem ? I may add more than 3000 users > from > the same domain and I don't want each user to get a separate copy! > The subject line of your post implies that you may have turned on Mailman's personalization to this list so that the return path is VERP'ed by Maiilman. If that is the case then each subscriber will by definition be sent a unique message by Mailman for each posting distributed. You would get a similar effect if, for instance, the MTA were generating VERP'ed messages from a single original message passed to it by Mailman but addressed to multiple addresses. Could this be why you are seeing what you are seeing? > Please help/advice?? > > --yogesh From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Jul 1 13:44:09 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:44:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages locked in "shunt" directory In-Reply-To: <40E3F68B.50401@pecos.de> References: <40E3F68B.50401@pecos.de> Message-ID: On 1 Jul 2004, at 12:33, Hartmut Steffin wrote: > hi guys, > > short question: why are my messages shunt? > have you checked the Mailman error log to see if there is any indication of problems with these messages when they are being handled, presumably by the ArchiveRunner? > long description: > > since a few days the archives are not updated. everything else works, > i.e. you can send messages, subscribers receive a.s.o. > the archive does not reflect changes since a week or so. i looked into > the directories. not only the html files are unchanged, but mboxes > too. investigating further, i found a directory ~mailman/qfiles/shunt > which seems to hold all messages since the last update. is there a > cronjob missing? did i do s.th. stupid in configration? > > mailman-2.1.2-44 > > my cronjobs are: > > 0 8 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs > 0 9 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled > 0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests > 0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds > # 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python -S > /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news > 27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip > 57 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives > > permanently running processes belonging to mailman: > ps -f -U mailman > mailman 29958 1 0 Jun30 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/python > /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -q start > mailman 29960 29958 0 Jun30 ? 00:00:02 qrunner > /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s > mailman 29961 29958 0 Jun30 ? 00:00:00 qrunner > /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s > mailman 29962 29958 0 Jun30 ? 00:00:01 qrunner > /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s > mailman 29963 29958 0 Jun30 ? 00:00:04 qrunner > /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s > mailman 29964 29958 0 Jun30 ? 00:00:01 qrunner > /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s > mailman 29973 29958 0 Jun30 ? 00:00:06 qrunner > /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s > mailman 29974 29958 0 Jun30 ? 00:00:01 qrunner > /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s > > tia > Mit freundlichen Gr??en / regards > Hartmut Steffin From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in Thu Jul 1 14:23:30 2004 From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Talekar) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:53:30 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounced messages and VERP ?? In-Reply-To: <8BC111C1-CB53-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> References: <42464.195.212.28.100.1088680934.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> <8BC111C1-CB53-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> Message-ID: <10062.195.212.28.100.1088684610.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> thanks But I haven't any change. I am running postfix as it was. I observed the thing when I fixed the problem with the ID and posted a test message. I wrote VERP because, I remember such a setting exists. But in fact I haven't changed anything. Is this happening because few message to that ID had bounced and mailman wants to be careful while sending mail to that ID so that in case it bounces it will be easy to find the recipient address and increase his bounce score ?? --yogesh > > On 1 Jul 2004, at 12:22, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote: > >> hi, >> >> I am using mailman with postfix. >> While testing mailman I created a list with two address. Both had same >> domain say "mydomain.com". >> >> When all was working fine, mailman/postfix used to copy a single mail >> to >> both the users. >> I had a problem with one of the IDs and the mail destined to it bounced >> few times. Later I fixed it, but found that now mailman (or postfix) >> has >> started copying two separate mails to both the users? >> >> What has changed? Is this a problem ? I may add more than 3000 users >> from >> the same domain and I don't want each user to get a separate copy! >> > > The subject line of your post implies that you may have turned on > Mailman's personalization to this list so that the return path is > VERP'ed by Maiilman. > > If that is the case then each subscriber will by definition be sent a > unique message by Mailman for each posting distributed. > > You would get a similar effect if, for instance, the MTA were > generating VERP'ed messages from a single original message passed to it > by Mailman but addressed to multiple addresses. > > Could this be why you are seeing what you are seeing? > >> Please help/advice?? >> >> --yogesh > --yogi From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in Thu Jul 1 14:45:02 2004 From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:15:02 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounced messages and VERP ?? In-Reply-To: <10062.195.212.28.100.1088684610.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> References: <42464.195.212.28.100.1088680934.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in><8BC111C1-CB53-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> <10062.195.212.28.100.1088684610.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> Message-ID: <50839.195.212.28.100.1088685902.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> Sorry I think I need a answer of a single question: How do I make sure that Mailman is not VERPing mails? And if I find that it is VERPing mails then how do I turn it OFF ?? Do I need to re-configure my list? What is the parameter in sitelist.cfg file which I need to change for this?? TIA --yogesh > thanks > > But I haven't any change. I am running postfix as it was. I observed the > thing when I fixed the problem with the ID and posted a test message. > > I wrote VERP because, I remember such a setting exists. But in fact I > haven't changed anything. > > Is this happening because few message to that ID had bounced and mailman > wants to be careful while sending mail to that ID so that in case it > bounces it will be easy to find the recipient address and increase his > bounce score ?? > > --yogesh > > >> >> On 1 Jul 2004, at 12:22, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote: >> >>> hi, >>> >>> I am using mailman with postfix. >>> While testing mailman I created a list with two address. Both had same >>> domain say "mydomain.com". >>> >>> When all was working fine, mailman/postfix used to copy a single mail >>> to >>> both the users. >>> I had a problem with one of the IDs and the mail destined to it bounced >>> few times. Later I fixed it, but found that now mailman (or postfix) >>> has >>> started copying two separate mails to both the users? >>> >>> What has changed? Is this a problem ? I may add more than 3000 users >>> from >>> the same domain and I don't want each user to get a separate copy! >>> >> >> The subject line of your post implies that you may have turned on >> Mailman's personalization to this list so that the return path is >> VERP'ed by Maiilman. >> >> If that is the case then each subscriber will by definition be sent a >> unique message by Mailman for each posting distributed. >> >> You would get a similar effect if, for instance, the MTA were >> generating VERP'ed messages from a single original message passed to it >> by Mailman but addressed to multiple addresses. >> >> Could this be why you are seeing what you are seeing? >> >>> Please help/advice?? >>> >>> --yogesh >> > > > --yogi > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > --yogesh ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From admin at chronosnet.com Thu Jul 1 16:45:52 2004 From: admin at chronosnet.com (Chronos Admin) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 08:45:52 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List not responding Message-ID: One of my lists has stopped responding. I can't access it via the web (when I try to log-in it eventually times out). My other lists are still accessible from the web. I've tried stopping and starting mailmanctl, restarting sendmail, and gone as far as restarting the virtual server. I believe the problem started last night when Mailman attempted to sendout the monthly password reminder. One of the times I started mailmanctl I received the following errors: chronos2 /usr/local/mailman/bin# ./mailmanctl start Starting Mailman's master qrunner. chronos2 /usr/local/mailman/bin# Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 547, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 429, in main kids = start_all_runners() File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 267, in start_all_runners pid = start_runner(qrname, slice, count) File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 245, in start_runner pid = os.fork() OSError: [Errno 35] Resource temporarily unavailable Then another time: Starting Mailman's master qrunner. chronos2 /usr/local/mailman/bin# Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 70, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 99, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 143, in dequeue fp = open(filename) IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/commands/1088684958.8021281+92739f63570de338e869b e2dda01000f8f833328.pck' Any suggestions? -Adam From blues at ds.pg.gda.pl Thu Jul 1 12:08:29 2004 From: blues at ds.pg.gda.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3_Go=B3aszewski?=) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:08:29 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] pl translation fix Message-ID: Hello, This is small pl translation fix. Without that message from moderator was ugly and causes line break in some MUA. -- pozdr. Pawe? Go?aszewski --------------------------------- My jsme borgov?. Odpor je marn?, budete asimilov?ni... -------------- next part -------------- --- ./messages/pl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po.org Thu Mar 25 00:10:26 2004 +++ ./messages/pl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po Thu Jul 1 11:58:02 2004 @@ -6743,8 +6743,7 @@ #: Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py:240 msgid "Your message to %(listname)s awaits moderator approval" msgstr "" -"Twoja wiadomo?? wys?ana na list? %(listname)s czeka na \n" -"potwierdzenie moderatora" +"Twoja wiadomo?? na list? %(listname)s czeka na potwierdzenie moderatora" #: Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py:259 msgid "%(listname)s post from %(sender)s requires approval" From hsteffin at pecos.de Thu Jul 1 17:09:50 2004 From: hsteffin at pecos.de (Hartmut Steffin) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:09:50 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages locked in "shunt" directory In-Reply-To: References: <40E3F68B.50401@pecos.de> Message-ID: <40E4293E.7010405@pecos.de> Richard Barrett wrote: >> short question: why are my messages shunt? >> > > have you checked the Mailman error log to see if there is any indication > of problems with these messages when they are being handled, presumably > by the ArchiveRunner? [snip] oh yes .. why not look for the obvious first... sorry Richard. some stupid guy - me :-( must have changed permission. did a chown -R and a chmod g+w. seems to work now, at least i have new messages in the july archive. but mailman does not seem to take care of old shunt messages?! can i do something to get those messages into the archive? Mit freundlichen Gr??en / regards Hartmut Steffin From tracey at mccartney.net Thu Jul 1 17:08:50 2004 From: tracey at mccartney.net (Tracey McCartney) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:08:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing on a remote Win2K server Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040701100754.11d72a60@mail.fairhousing.com> Does anyone know offhand if Mailman can be installed on a remote shared hosting account running on Win2K? I have a web host whose mailing list offerings are pretty lame. Thanks, Tracey From cwieland at uci.edu Thu Jul 1 17:44:44 2004 From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:44:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing subscribers from a file Message-ID: <9322B2B7-CB75-11D8-9ED4-000A959AE43E@uci.edu> Hello I'm trying to use bin/remove_members with a file of addresses to be removed for input but I'm not getting the syntax correct. Can someone show me how they do it? thanks Con Wieland From vanhorn at whidbey.com Thu Jul 1 18:33:42 2004 From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 09:33:42 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting records In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40E43CE6.1000200@whidbey.com> One of the lists I moderate is fairly high volume, dedicated to art quilting. A subscriber noted this morning that we had 269 digests released in June, and wondered what the record was. Made me curious, does anyone track such things? Van -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Sign up now for Quotes of the Day, a handful of quotations on a theme delivered every morning. Enlightenment! Daily, for free! mailto:twisted at whidbey.com?subject=Subscribe_QOTD For web design, hosting, and maintenance, visit Van's home page: http://www.domainvanhorn.com/van/ ----------------------------------------------------------- From msapiro at value.net Thu Jul 1 18:33:52 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:33:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "from" column question--how can we get our name toappear instead of the email address? In-Reply-To: <023401c45e2e$d5b3bf50$7b02080a@jkerrynet.com> Message-ID: Avi M. Spiegel wrote: > >We are trying to send out a mailman message. When people receive our >message, the mailman email address is listed in the from column and people >think it's spam. How can we make it so that the name of the person posting >is listed in the from column? > > > >When I send messages from my Outlook account to any other address its says >my name in the From box. When I send messages to the mailman listserv it >lists the email address of the listserv in the From box. See the FAQ entry at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From lotto at vassar.edu Thu Jul 1 19:06:43 2004 From: lotto at vassar.edu (Benjamin Lotto) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:06:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman post from mailman@math.vassar.edu requires approval In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <06EF834A-CB81-11D8-83E8-000A956EB10A@vassar.edu> I am a mailman neophyte who is trying to use mailman on Mac OS X Server (10.3.4). Everything was working well until this morning when I got the following e-mail message. On Jul 1, 2004, at 9:00 AM, mailman-owner at math.vassar.edu wrote: > As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the > following mailing list posting: > > List: Mailman at math.vassar.edu > From: mailman at math.vassar.edu > Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S > /usr/share/mailman/cron/disabled > Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list > > At your convenience, visit: > > http://math.vassar.edu/mailman/admindb/mailman > > to approve or deny the request. > > From: mailman at math.vassar.edu (Cron Daemon) > Date: July 1, 2004 9:00:01 AM EDT > To: mailman at math.vassar.edu > Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S > /usr/share/mailman/cron/disabled > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/disabled", line 209, in ? > main() > File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/disabled", line 202, in main > mlist.Save() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 515, in Save > self.__save(dict) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 487, in __save > os.unlink(fname_last) > OSError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument: > '/private/var/mailman/lists/boardconfidential/config.pck.last' > > > > From: mailman-request at math.vassar.edu > Subject: confirm b9c1ca65ffe21fe79d376ba3a7b21dfd3b785ae3 > > > If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, > Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is > spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header > with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting > to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line > of the body of the reply. Attempting to visit http://math.vassar.edu/mailman/admindb/mailman and typing in the password leads to an error. Attempting to login to the admin page for the mailman list or the boardconfidential list leads to errors as well: > Traceback: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main > main() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 194, in main > mlist.Save() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 515, in Save > self.__save(dict) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 487, in __save > os.unlink(fname_last) > OSError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument: > '/private/var/mailman/lists/boardconfidential/config.pck.last' Can someone give me a clue as to what's going wrong and what I need to do to fix it? Thanks thanks thanks!!! -Ben From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Jul 1 20:13:19 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:13:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounced messages and VERP ?? In-Reply-To: <50839.195.212.28.100.1088685902.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> References: <42464.195.212.28.100.1088680934.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in><8BC111C1-CB53-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> <10062.195.212.28.100.1088684610.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> <50839.195.212.28.100.1088685902.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> Message-ID: <54D21EE6-CB8A-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On 1 Jul 2004, at 13:45, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote: > Sorry > > I think I need a answer of a single question: > How do I make sure that Mailman is not VERPing mails? And if I find > that > it is VERPing mails then how do I turn it OFF ?? > Look in Defaults.py for the comments about and the config variables that affect VERP to seee if it can be enabled and see what values they have there and if mm_cfg.py has overloaded them. VERP'ing is done for different types of mail (regular postings, password reminders etc) depending on what the config variable settings are. Check the personalization settings for the list concerned which will affect normal postings if allowed by the config variables.. Definitively, you can just check what your outbound MTA is logging to determine what it is receiving from Mailman. The 'To' line for an oubound mail should tell you what you need to know. > Do I need to re-configure my list? What is the parameter in > sitelist.cfg > file which I need to change for this?? > > TIA > > --yogesh > > >> thanks >> >> But I haven't any change. I am running postfix as it was. I observed >> the >> thing when I fixed the problem with the ID and posted a test message. >> >> I wrote VERP because, I remember such a setting exists. But in fact I >> haven't changed anything. >> >> Is this happening because few message to that ID had bounced and >> mailman >> wants to be careful while sending mail to that ID so that in case it >> bounces it will be easy to find the recipient address and increase his >> bounce score ?? >> >> --yogesh >> >> >>> >>> On 1 Jul 2004, at 12:22, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote: >>> >>>> hi, >>>> >>>> I am using mailman with postfix. >>>> While testing mailman I created a list with two address. Both had >>>> same >>>> domain say "mydomain.com". >>>> >>>> When all was working fine, mailman/postfix used to copy a single >>>> mail >>>> to >>>> both the users. >>>> I had a problem with one of the IDs and the mail destined to it >>>> bounced >>>> few times. Later I fixed it, but found that now mailman (or postfix) >>>> has >>>> started copying two separate mails to both the users? >>>> >>>> What has changed? Is this a problem ? I may add more than 3000 users >>>> from >>>> the same domain and I don't want each user to get a separate copy! >>>> >>> >>> The subject line of your post implies that you may have turned on >>> Mailman's personalization to this list so that the return path is >>> VERP'ed by Maiilman. >>> >>> If that is the case then each subscriber will by definition be sent a >>> unique message by Mailman for each posting distributed. >>> >>> You would get a similar effect if, for instance, the MTA were >>> generating VERP'ed messages from a single original message passed to >>> it >>> by Mailman but addressed to multiple addresses. >>> >>> Could this be why you are seeing what you are seeing? >>> >>>> Please help/advice?? >>>> >>>> --yogesh >>> >> >> >> --yogi >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> > > > --yogesh > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring > them > all and in the darkness bind them. > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Jul 1 20:44:07 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:44:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing subscribers from a file In-Reply-To: <9322B2B7-CB75-11D8-9ED4-000A959AE43E@uci.edu> References: <9322B2B7-CB75-11D8-9ED4-000A959AE43E@uci.edu> Message-ID: On 1 Jul 2004, at 16:44, Con Wieland wrote: > Hello > > I'm trying to use bin/remove_members with a file of addresses to be > removed for input but I'm not getting the syntax correct. Can someone > show me how they do it? > Probably the same format as is generated by $prefix/bin/list_members I should guess > thanks > Con Wieland From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jul 1 17:05:51 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:05:51 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounced messages and VERP ?? In-Reply-To: <50839.195.212.28.100.1088685902.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> References: <42464.195.212.28.100.1088680934.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in><8BC111 C1-CB53-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> <10062.195.212.28.100.1088684610.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> <50839.195.212.28.100.1088685902.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> Message-ID: At 6:15 PM +0530 2004-07-01, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote: > I think I need a answer of a single question: > How do I make sure that Mailman is not VERPing mails? And if I find that > it is VERPing mails then how do I turn it OFF ?? Go to the admin web page for your list. Go to the "Non-digest options" sub-page. The second item on the list should have a description of: Should Mailman personalize each non-digest delivery? This is often useful for announce-only lists, but read the details section for a discussion of important performance issues. (Details for personalize) Make sure that the radio button in the field to the right of this description is set to "No". If not, change it to "No", and then click on the "Submit Your Changes" button at the bottom of the screen. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From mjb at cs.utah.edu Thu Jul 1 21:01:50 2004 From: mjb at cs.utah.edu (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:01:50 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extract list of lists with population? In-Reply-To: <200406301307.i5UD7AkC089656@server5.chard.net> References: <200406301307.i5UD7AkC089656@server5.chard.net> Message-ID: <40E45F9E.6090701@cs.utah.edu> Depending on your shell, something like foreach l ( `/your/path/to/mailman/bin/list_lists -b `) echo -n $l /your/path/to/mailman/bin/list_members | wc -l end might do the trick. mjb. ---- Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth. -Albert Einstein. From spork at bway.net Thu Jul 1 21:26:06 2004 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extract list of lists with population? In-Reply-To: <40E45F9E.6090701@cs.utah.edu> References: <200406301307.i5UD7AkC089656@server5.chard.net> <40E45F9E.6090701@cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <20040701150644.V24700@toad.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com> Here's some really ugly perl that I slapped together last night. I think it does what the OP wanted. It sends mail and writes a log. Thanks, Charles ___ Charles Sprickman NetEng/SysAdmin Bway.net - New York's Best Internet - www.bway.net spork at bway.net - 212.655.9344 On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Mark J. Bradakis wrote: > Depending on your shell, something like > > foreach l ( `/your/path/to/mailman/bin/list_lists -b `) > echo -n $l > /your/path/to/mailman/bin/list_members | wc -l > end > > might do the trick. > > > mjb. > ---- > > Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth. > -Albert Einstein. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- #!/usr/bin/perl # $Id: list-lists.pl,v 1.4 2004/07/01 19:12:55 spork Exp $ # quick script to list all mailman lists and give a # subscriber count for each $mailman_bin = "/usr/local/mailman/bin"; $lists_prog = "$mailman_bin/list_lists"; $members_prog = "$mailman_bin/list_members"; $owners_prog = "$mailman_bin/list_owners"; $mail_recip = "someone\@somewhere.net"; $mail_from = "someone\@somewhere.net"; $logfile = "/usr/local/adm/data/mailman-report.log"; $now = localtime; open(LISTS, "$lists_prog -b |"); while () { chomp; push(@lists,$_); } close LISTS; format MAIL_TOP = This monthly report shows how many subscribers each hosted list is using, who owns the list, and the list name. Subscribers List Owner List Name ----------- ---------- --------- . format LOG_TOP = Subscribers List Owner List Name ----------- ---------- --------- . format MAIL = @<<<<<<<<<< @<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< @<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< $member_count, $owner, $list . format LOG = @<<<<<<<<<< @<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< @<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< $member_count, $owner, $list . open(LOG, ">> $logfile") || die "Can't open log for writing\n"; print LOG "report for $now\n\n"; open(MAIL, "| /usr/sbin/sendmail -f $mail_from $mail_recip"); print MAIL "To: $mail_recip\nSubject: Monthly Mailing List Report\n"; while (<@lists>) { $list = $_; $member_count = 0; open(OWNERS, "$owners_prog $list |"); $owner = ; chomp($owner); close OWNERS; open(MEMBERS, "$members_prog $list |"); while () { $member_count++; } close MEMBERS; write MAIL; write LOG; #print "$member_count\t\t$owner\t\t$list\n"; } print LOG "\nEND\n\n"; close MAIL; close LOG; From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jul 1 21:02:03 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:02:03 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "from" column question--how can we get our name to appear instead of the email address? In-Reply-To: <023401c45e2e$d5b3bf50$7b02080a@jkerrynet.com> References: <023401c45e2e$d5b3bf50$7b02080a@jkerrynet.com> Message-ID: At 7:14 PM -0400 2004-06-29, Avi M. Spiegel wrote: > We are trying to send out a mailman message. When people receive our > message, the mailman email address is listed in the from column and people > think it's spam. How can we make it so that the name of the person posting > is listed in the from column? See . -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jul 1 21:03:36 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:03:36 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] backup of membership list in Mailman In-Reply-To: <001801c45ebd$012a5d40$6c01a8c0@lead> References: <001801c45ebd$012a5d40$6c01a8c0@lead> Message-ID: At 12:12 PM -0400 2004-06-30, John Calabria wrote: > how can I backup the member list to a file? can it be exported > into outlook, a comma delimited file? See and look at the command "list_members". -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jul 1 21:08:08 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:08:08 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman post from mailman@math.vassar.edu requires approval In-Reply-To: <06EF834A-CB81-11D8-83E8-000A956EB10A@vassar.edu> References: <06EF834A-CB81-11D8-83E8-000A956EB10A@vassar.edu> Message-ID: At 1:06 PM -0400 2004-07-01, Benjamin Lotto wrote: > I am a mailman neophyte who is trying to use mailman on Mac OS X Server > (10.3.4). Everything was working well until this morning when I got > the following e-mail message. There's not really much support that we can provide for MacOS X Server. See . I'm sure that someone will try to help, but you really need to talk to Apple. They provided the software, and they customized it in ways that they have not informed us about. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From lotto at vassar.edu Thu Jul 1 21:41:59 2004 From: lotto at vassar.edu (Benjamin Lotto) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:41:59 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman post from mailman@math.vassar.edu requires approval In-Reply-To: References: <06EF834A-CB81-11D8-83E8-000A956EB10A@vassar.edu> Message-ID: On Jul 1, 2004, at 3:08 PM, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 1:06 PM -0400 2004-07-01, Benjamin Lotto wrote: > >> I am a mailman neophyte who is trying to use mailman on Mac OS X >> Server >> (10.3.4). Everything was working well until this morning when I got >> the following e-mail message. > > There's not really much support that we can provide for MacOS X > Server. See > req=show&file=faq01.021.htp>. > > I'm sure that someone will try to help, but you really need to talk > to Apple. They provided the software, and they customized it in ways > that they have not informed us about. Perhaps a pointer to some general information about how mailman works would be helpful? I might be able to apply that knowledge to the apple setting. I've noticed that there are a zillion files in qfiles/shunt. All of them seem to be related to the once-a-month reminders that mailman sends out. check_db told me that everything is OK. Trying to access a couple of lists via the web page interface results in errors. Others seem to work fine. Any help would really be appreciated. Thanks, -Ben From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jul 1 21:51:46 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:51:46 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman post from mailman@math.vassar.edu requires approval In-Reply-To: References: <06EF834A-CB81-11D8-83E8-000A956EB10A@vassar.edu>

Message-ID: At 3:41 PM -0400 2004-07-01, Benjamin Lotto wrote: > Perhaps a pointer to some general information about how mailman works would > be helpful? I might be able to apply that knowledge to the apple setting. Pretty much all the documentation for Mailman will be linked from the page at . There is also the FAQ wizard at , and the archives of the mailman-users mailing list at . The archives are searchable, see . -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From fmouse-mailman at fmp.com Thu Jul 1 22:17:23 2004 From: fmouse-mailman at fmp.com (fmouse-mailman at fmp.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:17:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and courier Message-ID: <20040701201723.GD1778@fmp.com> I'm using mailman as a list server with courier as my MTA. The mailman user is in /etc/passwd as belonging to primary group 'mailman'. Mailman is compiled with --with-mail-gid set to the group of the mail user. This is set to 'courier' which works for most purposes, both posting and handling bounces from list posts. The one exception to this is the monthly password reminder postings which go out with an address of "mailman-bounces+@bailey.fmp.com" as the envelope sender, and if they bounce they come back to this address. Courier delivers them to the mailman account where I have a .courier-default file to pass them to a python script for processing. Unlike list posts and list post bounces, however, the delivering process runs as user mailman, group mailman, and mailman rejects them because the group id of the delivering process doesn't agree with the value of "courier" compiled into the wrapper. According to the mailman INSTALL document, one can configure mailman at build time to accept any one of a set of groups specified in the --with-mail-gid, but putting these in a quoted, space-spearted list as arguments to the configure script doesn't work, and reading the code, I don't see where such a multiple-name lookup is supported since the wrapper uses a single strcmp call for the comparison. Does this feature work? If so, what's the exact syntax for the target for --with-mail-gid required to make this happen? -- Lindsay Haisley | "Everything works | PGP public key FMP Computer Services | if you let it" | available at 512-259-1190 | (The Roadie) | http://www.fmp.com | | From lotto at vassar.edu Thu Jul 1 22:33:33 2004 From: lotto at vassar.edu (Benjamin Lotto) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:33:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman post from mailman@math.vassar.edu requires approval In-Reply-To: <756E977E-CB9C-11D8-A68C-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> References: <06EF834A-CB81-11D8-83E8-000A956EB10A@vassar.edu>

<596F0970-CB98-11D8-AFB0-000A959666F6@look.net> <756E977E-CB9C-11D8-A68C-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> Message-ID: On Jul 1, 2004, at 4:23 PM, Dan Phillips wrote: > On Jul 1, 2004, at 3:11 PM, Benjamin Lotto wrote: >>> Did you run 'check_perms -f'? >> >> Yes (as root). Followed by unshunt (as mailman) as Dan Phillips >> suggested. I didn't get any errors. However, I still get the same >> error when I try to login to some of my lists webpages, but not >> others. I'm including what shows up immediately below. I get >> similar errors when some of the cron jobs run. >> >> Could this have anything to do with the fact that I (naively) set up >> a mailman list called mailman, so any e-mail to mailman goes to that >> list? I tried to delete the mailman list (using rmlist) but I got an >> error similar to the others I've been describing. >> > > Certainly, errors in sending the password reminders could be due to > messing with a list called mailman, since that is the default "site > list" name which is the address of record for sending out those pw > reminders, although I don't know what Apple uses. Take a look at the > top of mailman/data/sitelist.cfg; the first line should tell you the > name of the site list. Another check to make is to run "bin/check_db > mailman" and see what it tells you. After running unshunt, is > qfiles/shunt now empty? The "site list" is, in fact, "Mailman". I ran the commands "check_db -v mailman" and "unshunt" as root. The results of check_db -v mailman: List: mailman /private/var/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck: okay /private/var/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck.last: okay [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/private/var/mailman/lists/mailman/config.db' [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/private/var/mailman/lists/mailman/config.db.last' As far as unshunt is concerned, the result was to reduce the number of files in qfiles/shunt to a small number. There are now some files in qfiles/in and lots in qfiles/virgin. From lotto at vassar.edu Thu Jul 1 23:02:06 2004 From: lotto at vassar.edu (Benjamin Lotto) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:02:06 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman post from mailman@math.vassar.edu requires approval In-Reply-To: <5639A6C8-CB9F-11D8-A68C-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> References: <06EF834A-CB81-11D8-83E8-000A956EB10A@vassar.edu>

<596F0970-CB98-11D8-AFB0-000A959666F6@look.net> <756E977E-CB9C-11D8-A68C-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> <5639A6C8-CB9F-11D8-A68C-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> Message-ID: On Jul 1, 2004, at 4:43 PM, Dan Phillips wrote: > Something just occurred to me (I can be pretty slow at times). Have > you posed these questions to the OS X server mailing list at > http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/macos-x-server/ ? Since I > installed MM on 10.2, before Apple started providing it, I've never > thought to ask MM questions there, but if this is something related to > Apple's version, that should be a good place to start... Thanks to this very helpful suggestion, I poked around the archives of the Apple Mac OS X server list. Someone there suggested that deleting the troublesome config.pck.last files would do the job. So I tried deleting them and ... I got an error! rm: config.pck.last: Invalid argument After fiddling around, I discovered the renaming config.pck.last allowed me to delete it. Everything seems to be working fine (for now). Thanks for all of you who sent me helpful suggestions. -Ben From fmouse-mailman at fmp.com Thu Jul 1 23:08:07 2004 From: fmouse-mailman at fmp.com (fmouse-mailman at fmp.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:08:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and courier In-Reply-To: <20040701201723.GD1778@fmp.com> References: <20040701201723.GD1778@fmp.com> Message-ID: <20040701210807.GA5157@fmp.com> I solved this by hacking src/common.c so as to only compare the procces group name with parentgroup if strcmp("mailman", mygroup->gr_name) returns non-zero. This solves the problem, but surely there must be a more elegant solution. Thus spake fmouse-mailman at fmp.com on Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 03:17:23PM CDT > I'm using mailman as a list server with courier as my MTA. The mailman user > is in /etc/passwd as belonging to primary group 'mailman'. Mailman is > compiled with --with-mail-gid set to the group of the mail user. This is > set to 'courier' which works for most purposes, both posting and handling > bounces from list posts. > > The one exception to this is the monthly password reminder postings which go > out with an address of "mailman-bounces+@bailey.fmp.com" as > the envelope sender, and if they bounce they come back to this address. > Courier delivers them to the mailman account where I have a .courier-default > file to pass them to a python script for processing. Unlike list posts and > list post bounces, however, the delivering process runs as user mailman, > group mailman, and mailman rejects them because the group id of the > delivering process doesn't agree with the value of "courier" compiled into > the wrapper. > > According to the mailman INSTALL document, one can configure mailman at > build time to accept any one of a set of groups specified in the > --with-mail-gid, but putting these in a quoted, space-spearted list as > arguments to the configure script doesn't work, and reading the code, I > don't see where such a multiple-name lookup is supported since the wrapper > uses a single strcmp call for the comparison. Does this feature work? If > so, what's the exact syntax for the target for --with-mail-gid required to > make this happen? -- Lindsay Haisley | "Everything works | PGP public key FMP Computer Services | if you let it" | available at 512-259-1190 | (The Roadie) | http://www.fmp.com | | From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Jul 2 01:01:50 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:01:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and courier In-Reply-To: <20040701210807.GA5157@fmp.com> References: <20040701201723.GD1778@fmp.com> <20040701210807.GA5157@fmp.com> Message-ID: On 1 Jul 2004, at 22:08, fmouse-mailman at fmp.com wrote: > I solved this by hacking src/common.c so as to only compare the procces > group name with parentgroup if strcmp("mailman", mygroup->gr_name) > returns > non-zero. This solves the problem, but surely there must be a more > elegant > solution. > I do not grok courier but why on earth is the delivery of a message to one list alias versus a message to another list alias done in some different way by the MTA such that the euid/egid under which Mailman's delivery script is executed is different? It seems to be this which is causing the problem rather than some deficiency in Mailman's security wrapper for its delivery script. > Thus spake fmouse-mailman at fmp.com on Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 03:17:23PM > CDT >> I'm using mailman as a list server with courier as my MTA. The >> mailman user >> is in /etc/passwd as belonging to primary group 'mailman'. Mailman is >> compiled with --with-mail-gid set to the group of the mail user. >> This is >> set to 'courier' which works for most purposes, both posting and >> handling >> bounces from list posts. >> >> The one exception to this is the monthly password reminder postings >> which go >> out with an address of "mailman-bounces+> address>@bailey.fmp.com" as >> the envelope sender, and if they bounce they come back to this >> address. >> Courier delivers them to the mailman account where I have a >> .courier-default >> file to pass them to a python script for processing. Unlike list >> posts and >> list post bounces, however, the delivering process runs as user >> mailman, >> group mailman, and mailman rejects them because the group id of the >> delivering process doesn't agree with the value of "courier" compiled >> into >> the wrapper. >> >> According to the mailman INSTALL document, one can configure mailman >> at >> build time to accept any one Yes one is selected at configuration time from the options your provide and then that one is baked into the security wrapper you have hacked. It is not a list of option for execution time of the wrapper. >> of a set of groups specified in the >> --with-mail-gid, but putting these in a quoted, space-spearted list as >> arguments to the configure script doesn't work, and reading the code, >> I >> don't see where such a multiple-name lookup is supported since the >> wrapper >> uses a single strcmp call for the comparison. Does this feature >> work? If >> so, what's the exact syntax for the target for --with-mail-gid >> required to >> make this happen? > > -- > Lindsay Haisley | "Everything works | PGP public key > FMP Computer Services | if you let it" | available at > 512-259-1190 | (The Roadie) | > > http://www.fmp.com | | From rmills at phcweb.net Fri Jul 2 01:50:35 2004 From: rmills at phcweb.net (Raymond Mills) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:50:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/mailpasswds Message-ID: <00b501c45fc6$3513cd30$6ac93442@phcweb> Hello folks, I am new to a lot of this and I have a question. I saw a post regarding missing mailman but I am using plesk so I am not sure how to proceed I got a message with the subject line above that stated: Site list is missing: mailman I set up and run mailman from a plesk 6/linux interface. Any idea what this means or what has happened? Raymond From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jul 2 01:57:30 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 01:57:30 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/mailpasswds In-Reply-To: <00b501c45fc6$3513cd30$6ac93442@phcweb> References: <00b501c45fc6$3513cd30$6ac93442@phcweb> Message-ID: At 4:50 PM -0700 2004-07-01, Raymond Mills wrote: > I got a message with the subject line above that stated: > Site list is missing: mailman See . -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From fmouse-mailman at fmp.com Fri Jul 2 02:31:51 2004 From: fmouse-mailman at fmp.com (fmouse-mailman at fmp.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:31:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and courier In-Reply-To: References: <20040701201723.GD1778@fmp.com> <20040701210807.GA5157@fmp.com> Message-ID: <20040702003151.GB5157@fmp.com> Thus spake Richard Barrett on Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 06:01:50PM CDT > > On 1 Jul 2004, at 22:08, fmouse-mailman at fmp.com wrote: > > >I solved this by hacking src/common.c so as to only compare the procces > >group name with parentgroup if strcmp("mailman", mygroup->gr_name) > >returns non-zero. This solves the problem, but surely there must be a > >more elegant solution. > > > > I do not grok courier but why on earth is the delivery of a message to > one list alias versus a message to another list alias done in some > different way by the MTA such that the euid/egid under which Mailman's > delivery script is executed is different? It seems to be this which is > causing the problem rather than some deficiency in Mailman's security > wrapper for its delivery script. Courier delivers, by default, to Maildir structures in a user's filespace and the MDA process sets it's user/group to match the user/group of the delivery target. Lists are set up as virtual mail aliases. In this case, courier runs as the user/group of the virtual mail user (vmail:courier), as determined by the authentication database (or /etc/passwd) which belongs to the 'courier' group. When bounces come back to 'mailman-anything...' the MDA runs as the user/group of the mailman user. Mailman belongs to the 'mailman' group and isn't a virtual user but a real user. You have to understand how courier works, but it's entirely logical. According to Sam Varshavchik, the principle developer of courier, the user/group of the delivery process should be determined by the MySQL authentication database, however it looks as if it's being determined by the uid/gid set in /etc/passwd instead. I'm going to approach the problem from that angle and see if I can figure out what's happening and maybe get courier to set the delivery gid independent of the mailman user gid. > >>According to the mailman INSTALL document, one can configure mailman at > >>build time to accept any one > > Yes one is selected at configuration time from the options your provide > and then that one is baked into the security wrapper you have hacked. > It is not a list of option for execution time of the wrapper. OK, I misunderstood the INSTALL doc, and what you say matches the code. Thanks for the clarification. The hack I did works, although it's not elegant, and since apparently I need to solve the problem from the point of view of the MTA/MDA rather than mailman, I'll let it stand until figure out what's going on. I have lots of people depending on the list server. Opening up security so that it accepts mail from group 'mailman' as well as group 'courier' won't get me fire-bombed by the Bad Guys (not yet, anway :-) -- Lindsay Haisley | "Everything works | PGP public key FMP Computer Services | if you let it" | available at 512-259-1190 | (The Roadie) | http://www.fmp.com | | From lotto at vassar.edu Fri Jul 2 03:43:58 2004 From: lotto at vassar.edu (Benjamin Lotto) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:43:58 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman post from mailman@math.vassar.edu requires approval In-Reply-To: References: <06EF834A-CB81-11D8-83E8-000A956EB10A@vassar.edu>

<596F0970-CB98-11D8-AFB0-000A959666F6@look.net> <756E977E-CB9C-11D8-A68C-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> <5639A6C8-CB9F-11D8-A68C-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> Message-ID: <4900BD81-CBC9-11D8-94CE-000A956EB10A@vassar.edu> On Jul 1, 2004, at 5:02 PM, Benjamin Lotto wrote: > > On Jul 1, 2004, at 4:43 PM, Dan Phillips wrote: > >> Something just occurred to me (I can be pretty slow at times). Have >> you posed these questions to the OS X server mailing list at >> http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/macos-x-server/ ? Since I >> installed MM on 10.2, before Apple started providing it, I've never >> thought to ask MM questions there, but if this is something related >> to Apple's version, that should be a good place to start... > > Thanks to this very helpful suggestion, I poked around the archives of > the Apple Mac OS X server list. Someone there suggested that deleting > the troublesome config.pck.last files would do the job. So I tried > deleting them and ... I got an error! > > rm: config.pck.last: Invalid argument > > After fiddling around, I discovered the renaming config.pck.last > allowed me to delete it. > > Everything seems to be working fine (for now). > > Thanks for all of you who sent me helpful suggestions. > > -Ben Well, I spoke too soon. Things seem to have broken again. One of the cron jobs seems to be corrupting config.pck.last, at least in some cases. I'll keep working on it. From fmouse-mailman at fmp.com Fri Jul 2 05:32:50 2004 From: fmouse-mailman at fmp.com (Lindsay Haisley) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:32:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and courier - problem solved In-Reply-To: <20040702003151.GB5157@fmp.com> References: <20040701201723.GD1778@fmp.com> <20040701210807.GA5157@fmp.com> <20040702003151.GB5157@fmp.com> Message-ID: <20040702033250.GG5157@fmp.com> OK, the issue was that mailman, when generating VERP address for the envelope sender address for monthly password mailouts uses the _fully qualified domain name_ of the list server system, e.g. "mailman-bounces+foo=bar.com at bailey.fmp.com". Courier's authentication database had an entry for "mailman at fmp.com" but not one for "mailman at bailey.fmp.com". Adding an appropriate entry in the auth db for the latter solved the problem and I could safely remove my hack. -- Lindsay Haisley | "Everything works | PGP public key FMP Computer Services | if you let it" | available at 512-259-1190 | (The Roadie) | http://www.fmp.com | | From jwblist at olympus.net Fri Jul 2 06:28:49 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:28:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "from" column question--how can we get our name to appear instead of the email address? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/1/2004 12:02, "Brad Knowles" wrote: > At 7:14 PM -0400 2004-06-29, Avi M. Spiegel wrote: > >> We are trying to send out a mailman message. When people receive our >> message, the mailman email address is listed in the from column and people >> think it's spam. How can we make it so that the name of the person posting >> is listed in the from column? > > See . Hi, Avi, But keep in mind that users are also being conditioned to view vaguely familiar or unknown names in the From column as being likely spam, thanks to the creativity of the current crop of spammers. You'll likely have a different set of list users toss the messages after you make the change. The intersection of the two sets probably isn't empty, either. --John From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Fri Jul 2 08:01:12 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 07:01:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and courier - problem solved In-Reply-To: <20040702033250.GG5157@fmp.com> References: <20040701201723.GD1778@fmp.com> <20040701210807.GA5157@fmp.com> <20040702003151.GB5157@fmp.com> <20040702033250.GG5157@fmp.com> Message-ID: <38B64CE4-CBED-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On 2 Jul 2004, at 04:32, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > OK, the issue was that mailman, when generating VERP address for the > envelope sender address for monthly password mailouts uses the _fully > qualified domain name_ of the list server system, e.g. > "mailman-bounces+foo=bar.com at bailey.fmp.com". The info in the following FAQ entry might help in adjusting the MM config to fix that: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp > Courier's authentication > database had an entry for "mailman at fmp.com" but not one for > "mailman at bailey.fmp.com". Adding an appropriate entry in the auth db > for > the latter solved the problem and I could safely remove my hack. > > -- > Lindsay Haisley | "Everything works | PGP public key > FMP Computer Services | if you let it" | available at > 512-259-1190 | (The Roadie) | > > http://www.fmp.com | | From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Fri Jul 2 09:43:35 2004 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:43:35 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] translate email commands Message-ID: <20040702074335.GR26690@charite.de> Hi! Some of our users are slightly english-agnostic. So how can I change (or rather ADD!) the email commands: help / hilfe password / passwort Adding these two as synonyms for help/password would totally suffice. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 IT-Zentrum Standort Campus Mitte AIM. ralfpostfix From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in Fri Jul 2 10:04:23 2004 From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:34:23 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] translate email commands In-Reply-To: <20040702074335.GR26690@charite.de> References: <20040702074335.GR26690@charite.de> Message-ID: <23309.195.212.28.100.1088755463.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> May be you should go to /MailmanBaseDir/Mailman/Command directory and modify the source of "cmd_help.py" and "cmd_password.py" I am not a python expert. But all you need to do is to find the decision statement where it checks for string "password" and add a || to the same with other string .. say "passwort" Btw, do you need to recompile those file or python is a interpreted langauage ?? --yogesh > Hi! > > Some of our users are slightly english-agnostic. So how can I change > (or rather ADD!) the email commands: > > help / hilfe > password / passwort > > Adding these two as synonyms for help/password would totally suffice. > > -- > Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) > Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de > Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Tel. +49 (0)30-450 > 570-155 > Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin Fax. +49 (0)30-450 > 570-916 > IT-Zentrum Standort Campus Mitte AIM. > ralfpostfix > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > --yogesh ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From jwt at OnJapan.net Fri Jul 2 10:13:52 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:13:52 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can list admin unsubscribe user via email? In-Reply-To: <40DB94C2.6010107@maddyhome.com> References: <40DB94C2.6010107@maddyhome.com> Message-ID: <20040702081352.GA5573@server.onjapan.net> On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:58:10PM -0600, Rick Maddy wrote: > I've tried sending the email as the admin to list-request at host.com with > the command 'unsubscribe [admin password] address=user.to.remove' > > This gives me a bad password email to the admin. I assume it is looking > for the user's password, not the admin's password. You could modify the process() function in Mailman/Commands/cmd_unsubscribe.py so that it checks for the administrator's password in addition to the user's password. (You would also want to modify it so that errors are mailed back to the administrator in that case.) -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jul 2 10:22:39 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:22:39 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] translate email commands In-Reply-To: <23309.195.212.28.100.1088755463.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> References: <20040702074335.GR26690@charite.de> <23309.195.212.28.100.1088755463.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> Message-ID: At 1:34 PM +0530 2004-07-02, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote: > Btw, do you need to recompile those file or python is a interpreted > langauage ?? When you stop and restart Mailman, Python should notice that the .py file is newer than the compiled .pyc file, and then compile up a new version for you. So, it's kind of compiled on-demand. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jwt at OnJapan.net Fri Jul 2 10:44:31 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:44:31 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug? In-Reply-To: <200406282009.58738.arekm@pld-linux.org> References: <200406282009.58738.arekm@pld-linux.org> Message-ID: <20040702084431.GA5840@server.onjapan.net> On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 05:06:12PM +0100, Ian A B Eiloart wrote: > That's not 1 request, its "-1" request. There aren't any requests when they > get there. I think this is a bug introduced in the last update (or the one > before, I skipped a version). I've only seen it since I last upgraded. There is a problem with 2.1.5 in that it expects every list to have an administrative request database containing at least a one entry (a dummy entry containing the version number recording the database format). Ways to resolve the -1 request warnings include: - do something that generates an administrative request, after handling it the request database will be left in the correct form - copy an "empty" request.pck from another list - fix the bug by applying the patch in Jim -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at OnJapan.net Fri Jul 2 11:02:22 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 18:02:22 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List without moderation In-Reply-To: <11140.195.212.28.100.1088526058.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> References: <40e19487.1af.b9c.26250@cnc.bc.ca> <11140.195.212.28.100.1088526058.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> Message-ID: <20040702090222.GC5840@server.onjapan.net> On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 09:50:58PM +0530, Yogesh Talekar wrote: > the question is how do i do it from command line?? > > I cannot use Web interface du to some restrictions! Mailman is tough to administer if you don't have access to the web interface, and are not comfortable with falling back to using Python to directly script what you want. You could clear every subscriber's moderate flag using the bin/withlist utility which provides a framework for manipulating the Mailman list object(s). Search the list archives for 'withlist' for examples. Create a file called unmoderate_all.py containing: from Mailman import mm_cfg def unmoderate_all(m): for member in m.members: m.setMemberOption(member, mm_cfg.Moderate, mm_cfg.No) and invoke using withlist, giving the name of your list: $ bin/withlist -l -r umoderate_all mylist -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at OnJapan.net Fri Jul 2 11:14:25 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 18:14:25 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change list password In-Reply-To: <200406291155.07434.yorkb@nku.edu> References: <200406291155.07434.yorkb@nku.edu> Message-ID: <20040702091425.GF5840@server.onjapan.net> On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 11:55:06AM -0400, Brian York wrote: > How can I change a list password from the command line? $ bin/withlist -l mylist >>> import sha >>> m.password = sha.new('supersecretpassword').hexdigest() >>> m.Save() >>> {ctrl-D} If you want to administer from the command line, you really need to explore 'withlist'. Look for hints in Mailman/Cgi/ and Mailman/MemberAdaptor.py (and Digests.py/mm_cfg.py for some definitions) for things that can be easily manipulated. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Fri Jul 2 11:38:42 2004 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 11:38:42 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can list admin unsubscribe user via email? References: <40DB94C2.6010107@maddyhome.com> Message-ID: Brad Knowles schrieb: >> I'm sending this email from a Java program. I've tried sending the email >> from the person I'm trying to unsubscribe to list-unsubscribe at host.com - >> this results in the user getting the confirmation - not what I want. > > As one idea, you could turn off confirmations for the list. Not a good idea, as anyone can unsubscribe (and subscribe ...) people then. -thh From peter.huesser at psi.ch Fri Jul 2 14:18:41 2004 From: peter.huesser at psi.ch (Peter Huesser) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:18:41 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Control over who can become listmember Message-ID: <40E552A1.3000207@psi.ch> Hello Is it possible for a listowner to have complete control over who can become a listmember and who not ? So nobody can really subscribe to the list. Only the listowner can add new members. Thank's in advance for any help Pedro From michael.schreyner at u-balance.at Fri Jul 2 14:42:24 2004 From: michael.schreyner at u-balance.at (Michael Schreyner) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:42:24 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation??? In-Reply-To: <20040702100655.B01A9255596@mail.customers.edis.at> Message-ID: Hi! Can anybody give me a clue how to install mailman on my homepage/server. I already copied the files in a directory but how do I get it running? Is there a installation manual somewhere? Gott segne Dich God bless You Dios te bendiga Michael Schreyner Gestettengasse 17/6/4 A-1030 Vienna AUSTRIA (no Kangaroos!!!) Mobile: +4369918877393 Homepage: www.u-balance.at -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: mailman-users-bounces at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] Im Auftrag von mailman-users-request at python.org Gesendet: Freitag, 02. Juli 2004 12:07 An: mailman-users at python.org Betreff: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 5, Issue 7 Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to mailman-users at python.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mailman-users-request at python.org You can reach the person managing the list at mailman-users-owner at python.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." From rpyne at kinfolk.org Fri Jul 2 15:55:13 2004 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 07:55:13 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is wrong??? Message-ID: <40E514E1.6066.1A46499@localhost> Jul 02 03:28:26 2004 (2458) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xed' in position 3717: ordinal not in range(128) Jul 02 03:28:26 2004 (2458) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 152, in process deliveryfunc(mlist, msg, msgdata, envsender, refused, conn) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 338, in verpdeliver bulkdeliver(mlist, msgcopy, msgdata, envsender, failures, conn) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 356, in bulkdeliver msgtext = msg.as_string() File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 130, in as_string g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom) File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 102, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 130, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 156, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 202, in _handle_text self._fp.write(payload) UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xed' in position 3717: ordinal not in range(128) Jul 02 03:28:26 2004 (2458) SHUNTING: 1088760497.5634401+a827b4092841c3517af7eead5f93aa46f9d392a5 From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jul 2 15:45:17 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:45:17 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can list admin unsubscribe user via email? In-Reply-To: References: <40DB94C2.6010107@maddyhome.com> Message-ID: At 11:38 AM +0200 2004-07-02, Thomas Hochstein wrote: >>> I'm sending this email from a Java program. I've tried sending the email >>> from the person I'm trying to unsubscribe to list-unsubscribe at host.com - >>> this results in the user getting the confirmation - not what I want. >> >> As one idea, you could turn off confirmations for the list. > > Not a good idea, as anyone can unsubscribe (and subscribe ...) people > then. I didn't claim it was the best solution, or even a good one. This is something that the person implementing the solution would need to decide whether to take the risk or not. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jul 2 15:53:13 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:53:13 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Control over who can become listmember In-Reply-To: <40E552A1.3000207@psi.ch> References: <40E552A1.3000207@psi.ch> Message-ID: At 2:18 PM +0200 2004-07-02, Peter Huesser wrote: > Is it possible for a listowner to have complete control over who can > become a listmember and who not ? So nobody can really subscribe to the > list. Only the listowner can add new members. Yes. That's called "approval". Set the list so that all subscriptions require approval (by the listowner), and you are done. Using the Mailman web admin interface, go to the "Privacy Options" page. The second item on the page should have a description of "What steps are required for subscription?" There should be three radio buttons next to this description, marked "Confirm", "Require approval", and "Confirm and approve". In this context, "Confirm" means that the system sends out an e-mail message to the specified user address and asks them to click on an URL, or send a reply message back to the system, so that it can confirm that they really did want to subscribe to the list. "Approval" means that the listowner has to approve the request. You probably want "Confirm and approve". All of this should be explained in the Mailman documentation. The page at links to the listowner documentation by Chris Kolar at . You may also want to read the user documentation at . You should probably also look at the Mailman FAQ entry at . -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jwt at OnJapan.net Fri Jul 2 16:04:34 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 23:04:34 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bogus archive directory messages to mailman list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040702140434.GA7665@server.onjapan.net> On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 09:31:31PM +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote: > Each night nightly-gzip creates a complaint about this: > > List kunden-alle has a bogus archive_directory: > /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/kunden-alle > > I'm not sure what it means. There's a symlink from private pointing to a > non-existant directory in public. I removed that symlink but it still It should be the other direction. By default the archives are created in the private tree, and a symbolic link is created in the public tree pointing at them if the archives are to be public. > creates the same message. So, what does it want? Do I need to change > configuration somewhere? (archiving = no) Or should I have created the > directory the symlink was pointing to instead of removing the symlink? Check the permissions of your private archive directory, and if it contains the expected *.txt files. It sounds like mailman is having trouble writing there. The message is complaining that the expected archive files don't exist even though you have specified archiving and the list claims to have received at least one post. If you don't want archiving, you can disable it on the "Archiving Options" page of the administrative interface. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jul 2 15:58:02 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:58:02 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:42 PM +0200 2004-07-02, Michael Schreyner wrote: > Can anybody give me a clue how to install mailman on my homepage/server. > > I already copied the files in a directory but how do I get it running? > > Is there a installation manual somewhere? The installation instructions are included in the tarball you downloaded from . If you got the files from someplace else (e.g., a binary package created by your OS vendor) and the documentation was not included, you should get your support from them. For further assistance with certain hardware platforms, we have some relevant entries in the Mailman FAQ. For example, if you use MacOS X, you should see the Mailman FAQ entry at . If you use Redhat Linux, you should see . See also the Mailman FAQ entry at . -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From nick at extropy.net Fri Jul 2 16:04:28 2004 From: nick at extropy.net (Nick Cotter) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:04:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply-to problems Message-ID: <200407021406.i62E6o64019116@ns.extropy.net> Hi I recently installed mailman and have been quite happy with it. However, for no apparent reason the reply-to munging I was doing has disappeared. I had set reply-to to "this list", and it did work. However, now it doesn't, and in fact no combination of settings that I can think of does work. I can't imagine what's changed. Does anyone have any ideas why the reply-to header should suddenly become unchanged from the original sender's address? Cheers Nick Cotter From jwt at OnJapan.net Fri Jul 2 16:20:04 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 23:20:04 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscription options In-Reply-To: <20040630210122.T24700@toad.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com> References: <20040630210122.T24700@toad.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com> Message-ID: <20040702142004.GC7665@server.onjapan.net> On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 09:12:44PM -0400, Charles Sprickman wrote: > I have one more little question. I don't want to let people do mass > subscriptions via the web interface without an invite. Basically I figure > if someone is going to go that route, I'd like to have the opportunity to > catch any "spammy" activity, and I'd rather have the invite trigger that > than the first message. Is there any way to disable the "Subscribe" > option so that it HAS to be an "invite"? I think you would have to modify Mailman/Cgi/admin.py. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at OnJapan.net Fri Jul 2 16:24:15 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 23:24:15 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages locked in "shunt" directory In-Reply-To: <40E4293E.7010405@pecos.de> References: <40E3F68B.50401@pecos.de> <40E4293E.7010405@pecos.de> Message-ID: <20040702142415.GD7665@server.onjapan.net> On Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 05:09:50PM +0200, Hartmut Steffin wrote: > but mailman does not seem to take care of old shunt messages?! > can i do something to get those messages into the archive? The bin/unshunt command should allow Mailman a new attempt at processing the shunted messages. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From nick at extropy.net Fri Jul 2 16:42:54 2004 From: nick at extropy.net (Nick Cotter) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:42:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply-to problems In-Reply-To: <200407021406.i62E6o64019116@ns.extropy.net> Message-ID: <200407021445.i62EjGuW019726@ns.extropy.net> Ah, sorry, it seems to be something to do with the virtusertable entry I added to catch everything. I didn't think that would be a problem (that is, I thought it would break everything if it broke anything). Does anyone have any tips regarding the interaction between aliases, virtusertable and mailman? Cheers Nick -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Nick Cotter Sent: 02 July 2004 15:04 To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply-to problems Hi I recently installed mailman and have been quite happy with it. However, for no apparent reason the reply-to munging I was doing has disappeared. I had set reply-to to "this list", and it did work. However, now it doesn't, and in fact no combination of settings that I can think of does work. I can't imagine what's changed. Does anyone have any ideas why the reply-to header should suddenly become unchanged from the original sender's address? Cheers Nick Cotter ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Fri Jul 2 16:45:15 2004 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:45:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] translate email commands In-Reply-To: <23309.195.212.28.100.1088755463.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> References: <20040702074335.GR26690@charite.de> <23309.195.212.28.100.1088755463.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> Message-ID: <20040702144515.GH26690@charite.de> * Yogesh Subhash Talekar : > May be you should go to > /MailmanBaseDir/Mailman/Command directory and modify the source of > "cmd_help.py" and "cmd_password.py" No, it's not in there. The parser for "what module gets called for what mail content" must be somewhere else. -- _________________________________________________ Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin _________________________________________________ Ralf Hildebrandt i.A. des IT-Zentrum | Netzwerkdienste Stabsstelle des Klinikumsvorstandes Campus Mitte Schumannstr. 20/21 | D-10177 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570155 | Fax +49 30 450 570916 Ralf.Hildebrandt at Charite.de http://www.charite.de From jwt at OnJapan.net Fri Jul 2 17:18:26 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 00:18:26 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] translate email commands In-Reply-To: <20040702144515.GH26690@charite.de> References: <20040702074335.GR26690@charite.de> <23309.195.212.28.100.1088755463.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> <20040702144515.GH26690@charite.de> Message-ID: <20040702151826.GE7665@server.onjapan.net> On Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 04:45:15PM +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > * Yogesh Subhash Talekar : > > May be you should go to > > /MailmanBaseDir/Mailman/Command directory and modify the source of > > "cmd_help.py" and "cmd_password.py" > > No, it's not in there. The parser for "what module gets called for what > mail content" must be somewhere else. It is "sort of" in there... Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py uses the names of the Command/cmd_*.py files. Try changing cmd_password.py to cmd_passwort.py. (You will also want to change the translations of the doc strings for those modules to reflect the new command spellings... so that the help response is accurate.) -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Fri Jul 2 17:20:53 2004 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:20:53 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] translate email commands In-Reply-To: <20040702151826.GE7665@server.onjapan.net> References: <20040702074335.GR26690@charite.de> <23309.195.212.28.100.1088755463.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> <20040702144515.GH26690@charite.de> <20040702151826.GE7665@server.onjapan.net> Message-ID: <20040702152053.GO26690@charite.de> * Jim Tittsler : > It is "sort of" in there... Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py uses > the names of the Command/cmd_*.py files. Try changing > cmd_password.py to cmd_passwort.py. Yes, that was it. I JUST found out and made the changes. > (You will also want to change the translations of the doc > strings for those modules to reflect the new command > spellings... so that the help response is accurate.) Nah, they don't get help for "unsupported" commands! --- Utils.py.orig 2004-06-15 13:30:47.000000000 +0200 +++ Utils.py 2004-07-02 16:55:07.000000000 +0200 @@ -514,10 +514,12 @@ # admin keyword: (minimum #args, maximum #args) 'confirm': (1, 1), 'help': (0, 0), + 'hilfe': (0, 0), 'info': (0, 0), 'lists': (0, 0), 'options': (0, 0), 'password': (2, 2), + 'passwort': (2, 2), 'remove': (0, 0), 'set': (3, 3), 'subscribe': (0, 3), -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 IT-Zentrum Standort Campus Mitte AIM. ralfpostfix From msapiro at value.net Fri Jul 2 17:37:35 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:37:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is wrong??? In-Reply-To: <40E514E1.6066.1A46499@localhost> Message-ID: Richard B. Pyne wrote: >Jul 02 03:28:26 2004 (2458) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' >codec can't encode character u'\xed' in position 3717: ordinal >not in range(128) >Jul 02 03:28:26 2004 (2458) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, >in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, >in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", >line 73, in _dispose > self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line >152, in process > deliveryfunc(mlist, msg, msgdata, envsender, refused, conn) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line >338, in verpdeliver > bulkdeliver(mlist, msgcopy, msgdata, envsender, failures, >conn) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line >356, in bulkdeliver > msgtext = msg.as_string() > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line >130, in as_string > g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom) > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line >102, in flatten > self._write(msg) > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line >130, in _write > self._dispatch(msg) > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line >156, in _dispatch > meth(msg) > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line >202, in _handle_text > self._fp.write(payload) >UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xed' >in position 3717: ordinal not in range(128) I'm a mailman newbe myself so I'm on shaky ground here, but the "regular" posters haven't answered so I'll give it a shot. It appears that a post contains an invalid (non-ascii) character (hex ed) in position 3717. >Jul 02 03:28:26 2004 (2458) SHUNTING: >1088760497.5634401+a827b4092841c3517af7eead5f93aa46f9d392a5 The post has been shunted to the $prefix/qfiles/shunt/ directory. perhaps you can edit it there to fix the problem and then run $prefix/bin/unshunt or just return it to the poster. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From iane at sussex.ac.uk Fri Jul 2 18:05:16 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 17:05:16 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "from" column question--how can we get our name to appear instead of the email address? In-Reply-To: <023401c45e2e$d5b3bf50$7b02080a@jkerrynet.com> References: <023401c45e2e$d5b3bf50$7b02080a@jkerrynet.com> Message-ID: <7A5B994C5FDABBCA19B82B2B@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> --On Tuesday, June 29, 2004 7:14 pm -0400 "Avi M. Spiegel" wrote: > Hello: > > > > We are trying to send out a mailman message. When people receive our > message, the mailman email address is listed in the from column and people > think it's spam. How can we make it so that the name of the person > posting is listed in the from column? By default, that shouldn't happen. The From: header shouldn't be touched. Check that the header munging settings in the general preferences for the list are untouched. Of course it *could* be that the mail client is at fault. It has several header fields that it could be looking at. If its looking at the sender field instead of the From: field, then change the settings in the mail client, or get a sensible mail client if you can't fix that. > When I send messages from my Outlook account to any other address its says > my name in the From box. When I send messages to the mailman listserv it > lists the email address of the listserv in the From box. A listserv isn't a mailing list. Its a rival mailing list manager. Calling it a mailman listserv (actually, Mailman LISTSERV is like calling your vacuum cleaner a Dyson Hoover - calculated to upset both Dyson and Hoover, because Dyson don't make Hoovers. > > Please help! > > > > Thanks > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From randy.foo at hp.com Sat Jul 3 00:57:24 2004 From: randy.foo at hp.com (Foo, Randy) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:57:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases problem Message-ID: <66CD70A4338D1445A9EAA94422D9B4830C7001@cacexc05.americas.cpqcorp.net> Hi, I'm running postfix 2.0.16 with mailman 2.1.2., on Red Hat 9. When I try to create a new list via the web interface, the aliases file does not get updated. My postfix main.cf has these entries: Alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases,hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases Both /etc/aliases and /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases are owned by mailman, group mailman. I tried rearranging the order of the two entries, as such: Alias_maps = hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases,hash:/etc/aliases But that broke the list creation entirely, and returned the error below. Does anyone have suggestions on how to fix this alias problem? BTW, the permissions on the files are rw-rw---- for /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases and rw-r---- for /etc/aliases Which would seem ok if the scripts execute as mailman, and the documentation seems to indicate they do. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Randy Foo Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create _update_maps() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) [GCC 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-4)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 Environment variables: Variable Value CONTENT_LENGTH 141 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_REFERER http://lis SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) SERVER_ADMIN root at localhost SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/2.0.40 Server at listlnx.vcd.hp.com Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST list SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.0 QUERY_STRING REQUEST_URI /mailman/create HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/png, */* HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.7 [en] (X11; U; HP-UX B.11.11 9000/785) HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive HTTP_COOKIE HP-ESC-GEO=americas_ap; HP-BCO-PRODMEMID=537c87ce-24c4-4383-8575-eb1507845584 SERVER_NAME list REMOTE_ADDR 15.***.***.** REMOTE_PORT 62056 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en UNIQUE_ID hBPu7A-8GrIAAClZQm4AAAAB SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip SERVER_ADDR 15.xxx.xx.xxx DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/html From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sat Jul 3 01:22:32 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 01:22:32 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases problem In-Reply-To: <66CD70A4338D1445A9EAA94422D9B4830C7001@cacexc05.americas.cpqcorp. net> References: <66CD70A4338D1445A9EAA94422D9B4830C7001@cacexc05.americas.cpqcorp. net> Message-ID: At 3:57 PM -0700 2004-07-02, Foo, Randy wrote: > I'm running postfix 2.0.16 with mailman 2.1.2., on Red Hat 9. When I > try to create a new list via the web interface, the aliases file does > not get updated. The README.POSTFIX file explains this process. You can find a copy of this file at (assuming the CVS web interface on SourceForge is working correctly). In this file, you will find the following section: INTEGRATING POSTFIX AND MAILMAN You can integrate Postfix and Mailman such that when new lists are created, or lists are removed, Postfix's alias database will be automatically updated. The following are the steps you need to take to make this work. In the description below, we assume that you've installed Mailman in the default location, i.e. /usr/local/mailman. If that's not the case, adjust the instructions according to your use of configure's --prefix and --with-var-prefix options. - If you are using virtual domains and you want Mailman to honor your virtual domains, read the section below first! - Add this to the bottom of the $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file: MTA = 'Postfix' The MTA variable names a module in Mailman/MTA which contains the MTA-specific functions to be executed when a list is created or removed. - Look at the Defaults.py file for the variables POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD and POSTFIX_MAP_CMD command. Make sure these point to your postalias and postmap programs respectively. Remember that if you need to make changes, do it in mm_cfg.py. - Run the genaliases script to initialize your aliases file. % cd /usr/local/mailman % bin/genaliases Make sure that the owner of the data/aliases and data/aliases.db file is `mailman' and that the group owner for those files is `mailman'. E.g.: % su % chown mailman:mailman data/aliases* - Hack your Postfix's main.cf file to include the following path in your alias_maps variable: /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (no trailing .db). Do not include this in your alias_database variable. This is because you do not want Postfix's newaliases command to modify Mailman's aliases.db file, but you do want Postfix to consult aliases.db when looking for local addresses. You probably want to use a hash: style database for this entry. Here's an example: alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases - When you configure Mailman, use the --with-mail-gid=mailman switch (actually, this will be the default if you configured Mailman after adding the `mailman' owner). Because the owner of the aliases.db file is `mailman', Postfix will execute Mailman's wrapper program as uid and gid mailman. That's it! One caveat: when you add or remove a list, the aliases.db file will updated, but it will not automatically run "postfix reload". This is because you need to be root to run this and suid-root scripts are not secure. The only effect of this is that it will take about a minute for Postfix to notice the change to the aliases.db file and update its tables. I consider this a minor inconvenience. Unfortunately, since you're using Redhat, I have to assume that you used a binary RPM to install Mailman. See for more information. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From JolinWarren at OakandApple.org Sat Jul 3 14:03:52 2004 From: JolinWarren at OakandApple.org (Jolin M Warren) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:03:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the host name for a list after its been created. Message-ID: Hello, I have recently installed Mailman 2.1.5c2 and am trying to get a feel for how to use it. So sorry in advance if this is a basic question! I have searched the 'mailman-users' list archives but can't find anything that answers my question. When I created my first two lists (the 'mailman' site list and another), I had the following settings in my 'mm_cfg.py' configuration file (host names are examples only): DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'host1.mydom.ain' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'host1.mydom.ain' However, I subsequently decided to change the host name to use for the list (both host names point to the same IP address). So I changed my 'mm_cfg.py' file to contain the following: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'host2.mydom.ain' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'host2.mydom.ain' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) Note that at this stage I also read the configuration instructions more carefully and therefore included the 'add_virtualhost' command. I have also gone to the list configuration pages for the first two lists and changed the 'Host name this list prefers for email.' option to point to 'host2.mydom.ain'. Here's the problem: These first two lists still think that the list server is 'host1.mydom.ain'. Both the link in the web page footers and links listed in emails point to: . (The email addresses all correctly use 'host2', though, including on the web page footers.) This is the base URL given, for instance, in 'help' emails sent from the listserver. If I create a new list now, the new list correctly uses 'host2.mydom.ain' as the host name for all links (both web pages and in emails). My question is, how to I update the first two lists to use 'host2'? If I grep all of the files in the mailman directory, the only ones containing 'host1' are a couple of HTML pages and the 'config.pck' and 'config.pck.last' files for the first two lists. I can't find any setting to change. Maybe the only way to update the host name is for me to delete the first two lists and re-create them. If so, I have two questions: 1. Is there any problem with deleting the 'mailman' site-list while 'mailmanctl' is running? 2. If I export the settings (using 'config_list -o') and exporting the users from each list I am deleting and then re-import the settings and users after creating new lists, will I create exact copies of the lists? Or are there some other settings that need to be exported or set manually after re-creating the lists? Thanks very much for any help you can provide. Cheers, Jolin From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Sat Jul 3 14:24:23 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:24:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the host name for a list after its been created. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: RTFAQ http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp On 3 Jul 2004, at 13:03, Jolin M Warren wrote: > Hello, > > I have recently installed Mailman 2.1.5c2 and am trying to get a feel > for how to use it. So sorry in advance if this is a basic question! I > have searched the 'mailman-users' list archives but can't find > anything that answers my question. > > When I created my first two lists (the 'mailman' site list and > another), I had the following settings in my 'mm_cfg.py' configuration > file (host names are examples only): > > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'host1.mydom.ain' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'host1.mydom.ain' > > However, I subsequently decided to change the host name to use for the > list (both host names point to the same IP address). So I changed my > 'mm_cfg.py' file to contain the following: > > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'host2.mydom.ain' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'host2.mydom.ain' > add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > > Note that at this stage I also read the configuration instructions > more carefully and therefore included the 'add_virtualhost' command. I > have also gone to the list configuration pages for the first two lists > and changed the 'Host name this list prefers for email.' option to > point to 'host2.mydom.ain'. > > Here's the problem: These first two lists still think that the list > server is 'host1.mydom.ain'. Both the link in the web page footers and > links listed in emails point to: . > (The email addresses all correctly use 'host2', though, including on > the web page footers.) This is the base URL given, for instance, in > 'help' emails sent from the listserver. > > If I create a new list now, the new list correctly uses > 'host2.mydom.ain' as the host name for all links (both web pages and > in emails). > > My question is, how to I update the first two lists to use 'host2'? If > I grep all of the files in the mailman directory, the only ones > containing 'host1' are a couple of HTML pages and the 'config.pck' and > 'config.pck.last' files for the first two lists. I can't find any > setting to change. > > Maybe the only way to update the host name is for me to delete the > first two lists and re-create them. If so, I have two questions: > > 1. Is there any problem with deleting the 'mailman' site-list while > 'mailmanctl' is running? > > 2. If I export the settings (using 'config_list -o') and exporting the > users from each list I am deleting and then re-import the settings and > users after creating new lists, will I create exact copies of the > lists? Or are there some other settings that need to be exported or > set manually after re-creating the lists? > > Thanks very much for any help you can provide. > > Cheers, > Jolin From JolinWarren at OakandApple.org Sat Jul 3 14:53:42 2004 From: JolinWarren at OakandApple.org (Jolin M Warren) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:53:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the host name for a list after its been created. In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: At 13:24 on 3-7-04, Richard Barrett wrote: > RTFAQ http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp Ahh, thank you! I had only searched the mailing list archives. Sorry about that, I will remember to check the FAQ in the future. Cheers, Jolin From SpeedyGonzalis at softhome.net Sat Jul 3 15:14:18 2004 From: SpeedyGonzalis at softhome.net (Speedy Gonzalis) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 09:14:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative Hold Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040703091030.035e6008@pop3.direcway.com> Is there a way in 2.1 to set subscriptions on administrative hold via the command line? AOL is blocking my server again (even though I have filled out their white list form) and I want to put all AOL subscriptions on hold so my queue isn't filling up with thousands of retries. Tim From zzizzle at zzizzle.com Sat Jul 3 18:24:36 2004 From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com (zzizzle.com) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 12:24:36 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] header stripping In-Reply-To: <20040703160110.8D448282F3@ludo.dreamhost.com> References: <20040703160110.8D448282F3@ludo.dreamhost.com> Message-ID: <79835FCB-CD0D-11D8-AAD7-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> Is it possible to have the software strip a known heading from an email submission to the group? I use forms to send messages into the group, and it has a bunch of garbledy gook on each one, making it un-neat. Does anyone know how to removed the initial goop if you know what it is beforehand? (I.E. It's the same every time). From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sat Jul 3 19:46:36 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:46:36 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] header stripping In-Reply-To: <79835FCB-CD0D-11D8-AAD7-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> References: <20040703160110.8D448282F3@ludo.dreamhost.com> <79835FCB-CD0D-11D8-AAD7-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com> Message-ID: At 12:24 PM -0400 2004-07-03, zzizzle.com wrote: > Is it possible to have the software strip a known heading from an > email submission to the group? I use forms to send messages into > the group, and it has a bunch of garbledy gook on each one, making > it un-neat. Does anyone know how to removed the initial goop if you > know what it is beforehand? (I.E. It's the same every time). Sure. Program your MTA to strip those headers. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jwt at OnJapan.net Sun Jul 4 14:13:58 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 21:13:58 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative Hold In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040703091030.035e6008@pop3.direcway.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040703091030.035e6008@pop3.direcway.com> Message-ID: <20040704121358.GA7116@server.onjapan.net> On Sat, Jul 03, 2004 at 09:14:18AM -0400, Speedy Gonzalis wrote: > Is there a way in 2.1 to set subscriptions on administrative > hold via the command line? By "administrative hold" do you mean you want to set your @aol.com users to "no mail" status? $ bin/withlist -l mylist >>> for member in \ ... m.getDeliveryStatusMembers((MailList.MemberAdaptor.ENABLED,)): ... if member.rfind('@aol.com') > 0: ... m.setDeliveryStatus(member, MailList.MemberAdaptor.BYADMIN) ... {return} >>> m.Save() >>> {ctrl-D} Or you could make a function for withlist that takes a member's address on the command line and do the looping in a shell script. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From embrey at hood.edu Sun Jul 4 22:23:04 2004 From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 16:23:04 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Nothing Mailman Logs Directory Message-ID: <40E86728.9010408@hood.edu> Mailman List: I just upgraded Mailman from 2.1.1 to 2.1.5 through rpm. I checked the /var/mailman/logs directory and it is empty. I have been running Mailman for several months on this particular server so I would have expected to see something in there. How do I enable logging for Mailman? What types of things will it be logging? Bruce Embrey From embrey at hood.edu Sun Jul 4 22:34:47 2004 From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 16:34:47 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lost Messages Message-ID: <40E869E7.4050308@hood.edu> Mailman List: I recently upgraded through rpm from 2.1.1 to 2.1.5. Just prior to upgrading one of my lists failed to deliver the messages to all members of a list. The mail server has a limit of 100 recipients per email. I configured mailman for a maximum recipents to 100. My list has 592 members. Am I correct in my assumption that a message to this is broken out into 6 messages (5 with 100 recipients and 1 with 92)? The people who got the message have email addresses throughout the alphabet. Some of the addresses starting with w,f,k received it but then others like e,m, and some other w did not. How do I troubleshoot this and prevent it from happening again. Several messages sent later in the day delivered fine without any problems. Bruce Embrey From jra at febo.com Sun Jul 4 22:35:13 2004 From: jra at febo.com (John Ackermann N8UR) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 16:35:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim4 and Mailman 2.1.4 and Debian -- SMTP 550 error Message-ID: <40E86A01.50505@febo.com> Hi -- I have what seems to be a truly odd problem with integrating Mailman 2.1.4 and Exim4 on a Debian box. Google searches haven't gotten me anywhere near the answer. This is a Debian stable (woody) box with Mailman 2.1.4 from backports.org and backported Exim4 from www.logic.univie.ac.at/~ametzler (the exim4-daemon-heavy version). The Exim4 config file is a single file, rather than Debian's new multi-part system; it's based on the default "Internet" Debian exim4 config. I've set it up per the exim.org "howto" on Exim and Mailman. Here's the problem: I can send mail to a list from an account on the list machine, and all recipients (either local or remote) get the message just fine. However, sending a message to the same list from any remote machine yields a "550 unknown user" error for the list name at the sender machine, as follows: test at giskard.tapr.org SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:: host giskard.tapr.org [69.44.62.167]: 550 unknown user The log files don't seem to have any helpful info. Non-mailing list mail from remote machines work just fine, it's only a problem with sending to mailing lists. I'm guessing that a failure to find the list name for a remote sender, but not for a local one, points to some kind of either ACL or address munging problem in the exim4 config file, but I'm tearing my hair out trying to figure out what it might be. Any suggestions on what to look for would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, John Ackermann N8UR jra at febo.com -- n8ur at tapr.org From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sun Jul 4 22:58:16 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 22:58:16 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Nothing Mailman Logs Directory In-Reply-To: <40E86728.9010408@hood.edu> References: <40E86728.9010408@hood.edu> Message-ID: At 4:23 PM -0400 2004-07-04, Bruce Embrey wrote: > I just upgraded Mailman from 2.1.1 to 2.1.5 through rpm. I checked > the /var/mailman/logs directory and it is empty. I have been running > Mailman for several months on this particular server so I would have > expected to see something in there. How do I enable logging for > Mailman? What types of things will it be logging? Are you sure that the new version is configured to log data to the same filesystem/directory path? The Mailman default location for this stuff is in /usr/local/mailman/logs, not /var/mailman/logs. So this is something that you'd need to confirm from your provider of binary packages. On a server I've had running for a while, I have the following in /usr/local/mailman/logs: % ls -la total 154 drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 May 6 23:22 . drwxrwsr-x 20 mailman mailman 512 Jun 28 14:57 .. -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 2719 Jun 24 18:56 bounce -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 17922 Jun 29 03:58 error -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1197 May 6 18:05 fromusenet -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 19231 Jul 1 11:49 post -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 11262 Jun 29 03:59 qrunner -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 65371 Jul 1 11:49 smtp -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 4562 Jun 16 14:52 subscribe -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 23592 Jun 29 04:00 vette The "bounce" log has things like this: % tail bounce May 26 04:41:35 2004 (40406) Processing 1 queued bounces May 31 06:31:54 2004 (40406) Processing 1 queued bounces Jun 07 17:04:56 2004 (40406) Processing 1 queued bounces Jun 07 17:19:57 2004 (40406) Processing 1 queued bounces Jun 07 17:19:57 2004 (40406) XXXXXXXXX: XXXXXXX at YYYYYYYYYYYY bounce score: 1.0 Jun 07 17:42:16 2004 (40406) Processing 1 queued bounces Jun 07 17:42:16 2004 (40406) XXXXXXXXX: XXXXXXX at YYYYYYYYYYYY already scored a bounce for date 07-Jun-2004 Jun 24 18:19:15 2004 (40406) Processing 1 queued bounces Jun 24 18:19:15 2004 (40406) XXXXXXXXX: ZZZZZZ at WWWWWWWWWWWW bounce score: 1.0 Jun 24 18:56:07 2004 (40406) Processing 1 queued bounces The "error" log has things like this: % tail error admin(88017): CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded admin(88017): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip,deflate admin(88017): UNIQUE_ID: U at j0CsyYuysAAUoq7LEAAAAD admin(88017): PATH_INFO: /announce May 06 17:30:53 2004 (88100) (NNTPDirect) socket error for list "test": (7, 'No address associated with hostname') May 21 12:33:53 2004 (76735) No such list "XXXXXX": May 21 12:34:01 2004 (76736) No such list "YYYYYY": Jun 29 03:58:46 2004 mailmanctl(28975): No child with pid: 40404 Jun 29 03:58:46 2004 mailmanctl(28975): [Errno 3] No such process Jun 29 03:58:46 2004 mailmanctl(28975): Stale pid file removed. The "fromusenet" log looks like: tail fromusenet May 07 00:55:00 2004 (56997) error opening connection to nntp_host: XXXX.YYY.ZZZ (7, 'No address associated with hostname') May 07 01:00:01 2004 (57066) test: [474531..475305] May 07 01:00:01 2004 (57066) test caught up to article 475305 May 07 01:00:01 2004 (57066) test watermark: 475305 May 07 01:05:01 2004 (57107) test: [474531..475307] May 07 01:05:01 2004 (57107) gating test articles [475306..475307] May 07 01:05:01 2004 (57107) posted to list test: 475306 May 07 01:05:01 2004 (57107) posted to list test: 475307 May 07 01:05:01 2004 (57107) test watermark: 475307 The "qrunner" log has things like: % tail qrunner Jun 28 14:53:27 2004 (40404) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 40405, sig: None, sts: 15, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) Jun 29 03:58:54 2004 (28980) CommandRunner qrunner started. Jun 29 03:58:54 2004 (28981) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Jun 29 03:58:54 2004 (28978) ArchRunner qrunner started. Jun 29 03:58:54 2004 (28985) RetryRunner qrunner started. Jun 29 03:58:54 2004 (28979) BounceRunner qrunner started. Jun 29 03:58:54 2004 (28983) OutgoingRunner qrunner started. Jun 29 03:58:54 2004 (28984) VirginRunner qrunner started. Jun 29 03:58:54 2004 (28982) NewsRunner qrunner started. The "post", "smtp", and "vette" logs will show things like message-ids, which can be linked to logs from your MTA, so that you can see mail flowing into the server and then back out again, etc.... -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sun Jul 4 23:04:44 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:04:44 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lost Messages In-Reply-To: <40E869E7.4050308@hood.edu> References: <40E869E7.4050308@hood.edu> Message-ID: At 4:34 PM -0400 2004-07-04, Bruce Embrey wrote: > Am I correct in my assumption that a message to this is broken out into 6 > messages (5 with 100 recipients and 1 with 92)? It's going to depend a lot on your MTA and how it's configured, and whether or not you are making use of personalization features. > The people who got the > message have email addresses throughout the alphabet. Some of the > addresses starting with w,f,k received it but then others like e,m, and > some other w did not. How do I troubleshoot this and prevent it from > happening again. Even if you're not using personalization (so that Mailman creates the smallest number of messages possible and then hands those off to the MTA), the MTA may well deliver messages to the recipients in parallel. So, some users further down the list might receive the message before others higher, simply because of the difference in how fast/overloaded the recipient mail servers are, etc.... > Several messages sent later in the day delivered fine without any problems. Without knowing extensive details of your configuration, it's going to be impossible to debug this process. Indeed, even on a mail server where I have full access to all available information, I can't always tell you what went wrong or what you should do to ensure that doesn't happen again. And that's for customers who are paying me large sums of money for my consulting services. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Sun Jul 4 23:11:26 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:11:26 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim4 and Mailman 2.1.4 and Debian -- SMTP 550 error In-Reply-To: <40E86A01.50505@febo.com> References: <40E86A01.50505@febo.com> Message-ID: At 4:35 PM -0400 2004-07-04, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > Here's the problem: I can send mail to a list from an account on the > list machine, and all recipients (either local or remote) get the > message just fine. However, sending a message to the same list from > any remote machine yields a "550 unknown user" error for the list name > at the sender machine, as follows: Well, I'm just guessing, but I'd have to say that you haven't told Exim how to find the file which contains the aliases for your mailing lists. But given your description of how you've back-ported Exim, and how you're not using the standard configuration for your OS, I think you're more likely to get help from a mailing list related to Exim or Debian. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jra at febo.com Sun Jul 4 23:22:41 2004 From: jra at febo.com (John Ackermann N8UR) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 17:22:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim4 and Mailman 2.1.4 and Debian -- SMTP 550 error In-Reply-To: References: <40E86A01.50505@febo.com> Message-ID: <40E87521.8080905@febo.com> Brad Knowles wrote: > At 4:35 PM -0400 2004-07-04, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > >> Here's the problem: I can send mail to a list from an account on the >> list machine, and all recipients (either local or remote) get the >> message just fine. However, sending a message to the same list from >> any remote machine yields a "550 unknown user" error for the list name >> at the sender machine, as follows: > > > Well, I'm just guessing, but I'd have to say that you haven't told > Exim how to find the file which contains the aliases for your mailing > lists. > > But given your description of how you've back-ported Exim, and how > you're not using the standard configuration for your OS, I think you're > more likely to get help from a mailing list related to Exim or Debian. Hi Brad -- Thanks for the reply. My understanding is that Exim automagically finds the mailing lists without discrete entries in the alias file, and this in fact works for locally-generated postings. That it works there, but fails for remote mail, is what's puzzling to me. I'll wander off to the Exim groups to see what I find there. Thanks, John From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Sun Jul 4 23:54:20 2004 From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:54:20 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some mailto's point to wrong places Message-ID: <20040704215420.GA85059@csua.berkeley.edu> I have compiled mailman 2.1.5 with the follwing options: --with-mailhost=host.domain.com --with-urlhost=www.host.domain.com Now, some users (including me) have "search domain.com" in our resolv.conf, so we can visit the web server by simply typing: http://www.host in the address bar in the web browser. When I go to http://www.host/mailman/listinfo this way, I see one strange thing. The web page says: "If you are having trouble using the lists, please contact mailman at www.host" instead of using mailman at host.domain.com. Is this a bug or a feature? Can I fix it somehow? -akop From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Mon Jul 5 00:09:17 2004 From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 15:09:17 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating templates after upgrade Message-ID: <20040704220917.GA92889@csua.berkeley.edu> I have upgraded mailman installation from 2.0.13 to 2.1.5. The documetation mentions something about updating list templates but I am still not sure how to do it. So far I have run the following commands: cd ~mailman/lists for i in *;do diff -r $i ../templates/en > $i.diffs;done Now, the *.diff files in that directory contain lots of lines like: "Only in ../templates/en: admindbsummary.html" "Only in ../templates/en: adminsubscribeack.txt" Does that mean that I should copy all of those new files over into the mailing list directories? And then there are also some html files that differ but it doesn't look like they have been edited by users. Shouldn't they have been copied over automatically during upgrade? Should I copy them by hand? Is there a programatic way to determine if any of those differing files have been edited by users? -akop From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Jul 5 00:15:53 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 23:15:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some mailto's point to wrong places In-Reply-To: <20040704215420.GA85059@csua.berkeley.edu> References: <20040704215420.GA85059@csua.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: On 4 Jul 2004, at 22:54, Akop Pogosian wrote: > I have compiled mailman 2.1.5 with the follwing options: > --with-mailhost=host.domain.com --with-urlhost=www.host.domain.com > > Now, some users (including me) have "search domain.com" in our > resolv.conf, so we can visit the web server by simply typing: > http://www.host in the address bar in the web browser. When I go to > http://www.host/mailman/listinfo this way, I see one strange thing. > The web page says: "If you are having trouble using the lists, please > contact mailman at www.host" instead of using mailman at host.domain.com. > Is this a bug or a feature? Can I fix it somehow? > I think this problem is arising because MM is trying to figure out which virtual host the CGI script is being run by/on behalf of by examining in the Host: HTTP request header inserted by the browser. I would guess that your browser is putting in the abbreviated domain name you have entered, which the resolver configuration on your client enables to work, rather than the FQDN; indeed your browser is probably unaware of what the FQDN is and could not construct a correct Host: header if it wanted to. I guess that whenever clients and servers have markedly different resolver configurations you may get a number of interesting side effects. I suggest this is not just a Mailman problem; Apache's name based virtual hosts facility is entirely dependent on the Host: header inserted by clients and will fail to work as expected if client browsers insert abbreviated domain names. As for fixing it; use FQDNs. > > -akop From JolinWarren at OakandApple.org Mon Jul 5 10:34:20 2004 From: JolinWarren at OakandApple.org (Jolin M Warren) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 09:34:20 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up user options Message-ID: Hello, I am trying to write a script that will email me my mailman user lists. I have no problem getting the list email addresses and real names (using bin/list_members) to include in an email. However, I cannot figure out how to include the user options. In the Mailman FAQ, FAQ 4.9. says: "These commands are essential for building mailing lists and for backing up list information (users, user options, list configuration)." However, I can't find anywhere that describes what script will actually output the user options to a text file. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! Cheers, Jolin From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Mon Jul 5 12:18:06 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:18:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating templates after upgrade In-Reply-To: <20040704220917.GA92889@csua.berkeley.edu> References: <20040704220917.GA92889@csua.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <9B981942-CE6C-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk> On 4 Jul 2004, at 23:09, Akop Pogosian wrote: > I have upgraded mailman installation from 2.0.13 to 2.1.5. The > documetation mentions something about updating list templates but I > am still not sure how to do it. So far I have run the following > commands: > > cd ~mailman/lists > for i in *;do diff -r $i ../templates/en > $i.diffs;done > > Now, the *.diff files in that directory contain lots of lines like: > > "Only in ../templates/en: admindbsummary.html" > "Only in ../templates/en: adminsubscribeack.txt" > > Does that mean that I should copy all of those new files over into the > mailing list directories? And then there are also some html files that > differ but it doesn't look like they have been edited by users. > Shouldn't they have been copied over automatically during upgrade? > Should I copy them by hand? Is there a programatic way to determine if > any of those differing files have been edited by users? > > > -akop MM 2.1.x makes more extensive use of templates that MM 2.0.x did. The conversion you are doing may require a fair bit of hand fettling but unless one of your old lists used its own custom template you can probably let MM 2.1.x's defaults templates take the strain. The following post may offer some useful guidance in terms of setting up and maintaining templates on MM 2.1.x: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg25430.html From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in Mon Jul 5 21:22:50 2004 From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 00:52:50 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing mails to sender? Message-ID: <26368.195.212.28.100.1089055370.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> hi, I have seen that if a mail is sent to Mailman list and if some of the recipients are invalid then those mails bounce back to a address which is like "bounces-listname at mylistdomain.com"? Now this keeps the sender in the dark about who received the mail and who didn't! So is there anyway so that the sender can receive the note about which memebers of the list failed to get the mails? Or is it possible to send the bounced mail to the sender?? --yogesh ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From jwblist at olympus.net Mon Jul 5 22:25:47 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:25:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Nothing Mailman Logs Directory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/4/2004 13:58, "Brad Knowles" wrote: > At 4:23 PM -0400 2004-07-04, Bruce Embrey wrote: > >> I just upgraded Mailman from 2.1.1 to 2.1.5 through rpm. I checked >> the /var/mailman/logs directory and it is empty. I have been running >> Mailman for several months on this particular server so I would have >> expected to see something in there. How do I enable logging for >> Mailman? What types of things will it be logging? > > Are you sure that the new version is configured to log data to > the same filesystem/directory path? > > The Mailman default location for this stuff is in > /usr/local/mailman/logs, not /var/mailman/logs. So this is something > that you'd need to confirm from your provider of binary packages. Also take a peek into /var/log/mailman That's where ours are, somehow. (Mailman 2.1.2 installed from RPM, but I didn't do the install, hence the "somehow".) --John From brad.knowles at skynet.be Mon Jul 5 23:08:56 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 23:08:56 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing mails to sender? In-Reply-To: <26368.195.212.28.100.1089055370.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> References: <26368.195.212.28.100.1089055370.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> Message-ID: At 12:52 AM +0530 2004-07-06, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote: > I have seen that if a mail is sent to Mailman list and if some of the > recipients are invalid then those mails bounce back to a address which is > like "bounces-listname at mylistdomain.com"? Yup. > Now this keeps the sender in the dark about who received the mail and who > didn't! > > So is there anyway so that the sender can receive the note about which > memebers of the list failed to get the mails? Or is it possible to send > the bounced mail to the sender?? You can look in the logs, but short of making extensive modifications to the system so that all bounces come back to both addresses, there's no way to do this. Moreover, most senders don't want/can't handle recipient bounces, since there is nothing they can do about them. If I send a message to the mailman-users list and I receive a bounce from fred at example.com, the only person who can do anything with this is the mailing list administrator. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Mon Jul 5 22:25:15 2004 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 22:25:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing mails to sender? In-Reply-To: <26368.195.212.28.100.1089055370.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> References: <26368.195.212.28.100.1089055370.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> Message-ID: <20040705202515.GC11418@charite.de> * Yogesh Subhash Talekar : > hi, > > I have seen that if a mail is sent to Mailman list and if some of the > recipients are invalid then those mails bounce back to a address which is > like "bounces-listname at mylistdomain.com"? > > Now this keeps the sender in the dark about who received the mail and who > didn't! As long as mailman knows: it's fine > So is there anyway so that the sender can receive the note about > which memebers of the list failed to get the mails? Or is it possible > to send the bounced mail to the sender?? What for? It's not the in the sender's interest. The list admin get those. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 IT-Zentrum Standort Campus Mitte AIM. ralfpostfix From mmlist at mikephillips.com Tue Jul 6 01:55:37 2004 From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:55:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and Footers - Need Help Message-ID: <000f01c462eb$91f67020$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01> (Sorry if this post is a repeat. The first time I posted it, it never showed up on my computer.) I need to set up a mailing list with the following characteristics. I'm not sure if MailMan can handle it. 1. Email sent to list at domain.com. (no problem) 2. List sends emails to 55 recipients. (no problem) 3. Email contains name, city/state, and email address (no problem) 4. Outgoing emails have several paragraphs of text pre-entered (no problem), but 5. The last three lines of the outgoing message are the name, city/state, and email address. (problem) Is there a way to have a standard amount of text as a header such that the information contained in the incoming email is appended to the header and, in fact, appears as a footer? I have created the exact result I need except that the name, city/state, and email address appear at the head of the message, as it should. Help! Thanks, Mike From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 6 03:00:15 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 03:00:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New mail server online... Message-ID: Folks, It looks like the new mail server for python.org is now fully online. There may be a period of catch-up for a while. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From mmlist at mikephillips.com Tue Jul 6 00:28:59 2004 From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:28:59 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need some quick help with headers? References: <1078810379.6606.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <001501c462df$9292a690$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01> I need to set up a mailing list with the following characteristics. I'm not sure if MailMan can handle it. 1. Email sent to list at domain.com. (no problem) 2. List sends emails to 55 recipients. (no problem) 3. Email contains name, city/state, and email address (no problem) 4. Outgoing emails have several paragraphs of text pre-entered (no problem), but 5. The last three lines of the outgoing message are the name, city/state, and email address. (problem) Is there a way to have a standard amount of text as a header such that the information contained in the incoming email is appended to the header and, in fact, appears as a footer? I have created the exact result I need except that the name, city/state, and email address appear at the head of the message, as it should. Help! Thanks, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Carnes" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 1:32 AM Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] changing ISP servers > Even Cpanel should let Mailman dump out the user lists for you. There > is a Mailman commandline that specifically does that (list_members). > > The command to dump out your configuration to text is config_list. > > Your admin can dump the config out, edit the fields that change (URL and > default host names - the list name, if that changes) then simply create > a list with the same name and upload the config file using config_list > again. It's almost a "no brainer" once you read the help that comes > with config_list. > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 23:16, Pastor Augie wrote: > > Jon, > > > > thanks for your reply. I've passed along your message to my ISP - he's > > pretty responsive... we'll see what he says. > > > > Unfortunately, we *do* use cPanel ... and this is NOT the first problem > > we've had... funny you should mention that! Sometimes our messages get > > stuck in queue and don't come out for days if at all. > > > > Anyway, I don't have command line access and am not even sure where the > > files for mailman are. They don't appear to be in our user directory. If > > you could tell me the name of the file to look for, I could direct the > > sysadmin to look for it. > > > > But just double checking - there is no way to export email addresses and > > names? Then it would be a simple matter to re-import them. > > > > Thanks for all your help! > > > > Augie. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 7:41 PM > > To: pastor at SavingGraceLC.org > > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] changing ISP servers > > > > > > On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 10:33, Pastor Augie wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have several mailman lists setup. Because of technical difficulties > > > with our ISP's physical server, I am being required to migrate our > > > entire website, including lists, to a new server (new IP and new > > > name). My ISP contact tells me that when the mailman lists are moved > > > to the new server they will need to be RECREATED FROM SCRATCH!! > > > > > > Is that the case? What is the most desirable way to migrate to a new > > > server? Is there a simple export feature or some flat (or db) file I > > > can export or something like that so I don't have to recreate the list > > > by hand?? > > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > > > > > Augie. > > > > > > > Well, if they are using a straight version of Mailman then the answer is > > false. It's very easy to move lists to a new server. > > > > It may be that they are actually using Cpanel (or will be using Cpanel). > > This app does "who-knows-what" to Mailman. Actually we know a few > > things it does, thanks to the many, many complaints we receive on a > > regular basis from folks stuck using Cpanel. > > > > Even then, the movements of the lists can be relatively painless - if > > they allow you command line access to dump out your list configurations > > into text files. > > > > Good luck - Jon Carnes > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > From jwblist at olympus.net Tue Jul 6 06:33:48 2004 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:33:48 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing mails to sender? In-Reply-To: <20040705202515.GC11418@charite.de> Message-ID: On 7/5/2004 13:25, "Ralf Hildebrandt" wrote: >> So is there anyway so that the sender can receive the note about >> which memebers of the list failed to get the mails? Or is it possible >> to send the bounced mail to the sender?? > > What for? It's not the in the sender's interest. The list admin get > those. It would also reveal some of the membership of the list. That's only OK if the list membership list is available to members (in many cases these days it shouldn't be). --John From jwt at OnJapan.net Tue Jul 6 09:45:31 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:45:31 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and Footers - Need Help In-Reply-To: <000f01c462eb$91f67020$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01> References: <000f01c462eb$91f67020$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01> Message-ID: <20040706074531.GB28010@server.onjapan.net> On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 07:55:37PM -0400, Mike Phillips wrote: > Is there a way to have a standard amount of text as a header such that the > information contained in the incoming email is appended to the header and, > in fact, appears as a footer? That sounds exactly like what the msg_header option (on the Non-digest options page) does. Put your boilerplate text there and it will appear before the body of the incoming message. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From bardtomm at stud.ntnu.no Tue Jul 6 10:45:40 2004 From: bardtomm at stud.ntnu.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?B=E5rd_Tommy_Nilsen?=) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:45:40 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin commands via email In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040706084540.7598413C826@merke.itea.ntnu.no> Hello I want to subscribe and unsubscribe members to/from my lists via email Without the member getting the confirm email.. But when the users subscrib/unsubscribe I want them to confirm ... Is there a site where the commands are listed ?? Regards B?rd Tommy Nilsen From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 6 11:53:50 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:53:50 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin commands via email In-Reply-To: <20040706084540.7598413C826@merke.itea.ntnu.no> References: <20040706084540.7598413C826@merke.itea.ntnu.no> Message-ID: At 10:45 AM +0200 2004-07-06, B?rd Tommy Nilsen wrote: > I want to subscribe and unsubscribe members to/from my lists via email > Without the member getting the confirm email.. > > But when the users subscrib/unsubscribe I want them to confirm ... From the web interface, you can just go to the "Membership Management" section, then the "Mass Subscribe" or "Mass Unsubscribe" page. For the "Mass Subscribe" page, you have the option of just inviting them or actually directly subscribing them. For the "Mass Unsubscribe" page, you have the option of sending them an "unsubscription acknowledgement". However, I do not know what the equivalent commands would be from the command-line, or how you could achieve the same functionality via the e-mail interface. Is there a reason why you don't do this through the web interface? -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From mmlist at mikephillips.com Tue Jul 6 13:45:56 2004 From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:45:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and Footers - Need Help References: <000f01c462eb$91f67020$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01> <20040706074531.GB28010@server.onjapan.net> Message-ID: <000c01c4634e$cd16f810$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01> Jim: You're right, it works fine. (Sorry, I never used it before so I overlooked it.) The problem now is, when I send to the list, the header displays correctly, but the incoming message is sent as an attachment, even though I'm sending in plain text. Also, is there a way in the "From" line to get rid of the "On behalf of" language? Thanks, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Tittsler" To: "Mike Phillips" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Headers and Footers - Need Help > On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 07:55:37PM -0400, Mike Phillips wrote: > > Is there a way to have a standard amount of text as a header such that the > > information contained in the incoming email is appended to the header and, > > in fact, appears as a footer? > > That sounds exactly like what the msg_header option (on the > Non-digest options page) does. Put your boilerplate text there > and it will appear before the body of the incoming message. > > > -- > Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 > Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ > Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html > > > From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Tue Jul 6 14:33:28 2004 From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:33:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and Footers - Need Help In-Reply-To: <000c01c4634e$cd16f810$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01> References: <000f01c462eb$91f67020$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01> <20040706074531.GB28010@server.onjapan.net> <000c01c4634e$cd16f810$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01> Message-ID: On 6 Jul 2004, at 12:45, Mike Phillips wrote: > Jim: > > You're right, it works fine. (Sorry, I never used it before so I > overlooked > it.) The problem now is, when I send to the list, the header displays > correctly, but the incoming message is sent as an attachment, even > though > I'm sending in plain text. > > Also, is there a way in the "From" line to get rid of the "On behalf > of" > language? > Comments at may apply: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp > Thanks, > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Tittsler" > To: "Mike Phillips" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 3:45 AM > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Headers and Footers - Need Help > > >> On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 07:55:37PM -0400, Mike Phillips wrote: >>> Is there a way to have a standard amount of text as a header such >>> that > the >>> information contained in the incoming email is appended to the header > and, >>> in fact, appears as a footer? >> >> That sounds exactly like what the msg_header option (on the >> Non-digest options page) does. Put your boilerplate text there >> and it will appear before the body of the incoming message. >> >> >> -- >> Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 >> Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ >> Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at OnJapan.net Tue Jul 6 14:37:32 2004 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:37:32 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and Footers - Need Help In-Reply-To: <000c01c4634e$cd16f810$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01> References: <000f01c462eb$91f67020$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01> <20040706074531.GB28010@server.onjapan.net> <000c01c4634e$cd16f810$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01> Message-ID: <20040706123732.GA30638@server.onjapan.net> On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 07:45:56AM -0400, Mike Phillips wrote: > You're right, it works fine. (Sorry, I never used it before so I overlooked > it.) The problem now is, when I send to the list, the header displays > correctly, but the incoming message is sent as an attachment, even though > I'm sending in plain text. It is probably a function of the character set of the Email and your list's default language. It looks like you are sending in iso-8859-1. Is your list's language one of those listed in Mailman/Defaults.py (as over-ridden in Mailman/mm_cfg.py) as having a charset of iso-8859-1? If it isn't, you might consider: - over-riding the charset expected for your list language in your mm_cfg.py if appropriate - changing your mail program's configuration to send in the "expected" charset - loosen the restriction in Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py on header/footer and body charset matching > Also, is there a way in the "From" line to get rid of the "On behalf of" > language? That sounds like a quirk of your mail program. (Check the FAQ.) -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From djb400s at smsu.edu Tue Jul 6 15:22:58 2004 From: djb400s at smsu.edu (Bohnenkamp, Daniel J) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:22:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web accessibility Message-ID: How do you make Mailman web pages accessible to the blind people From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 6 15:38:46 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:38:46 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web accessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:22 AM -0500 2004-07-06, Bohnenkamp, Daniel J wrote: > How do you make Mailman web pages accessible to the blind people Well, you can start with the W3C Web Accessibility Initiative pages, starting at . Going to the "Quick Tips" page at , you will note that most items have to do with things related to graphics and multimedia. However, Mailman doesn't really make use of much graphics, and what little it does use graphics for is primarily for some minimal decoration. Mailman doesn't use scripts, applets, or plug-ins, nor does it use frames, tables, graphs, or charts. About the only relevant tips are the ones regarding hypertext links (which I believe we're already conformant with), and page organization (which I think we do pretty good at, although I don't think we use CSS). You can also check the FAQs that they have. In my own experience, most visually challenged people use text-mode browsers, such as "lynx" or "links", or programs that operate in a similar fashion (perhaps Netscape on a 24" monitor with 96 point type and most advanced features turned off, like auto-loading graphics, javascript, java, etc...). The output from these text-mode browsers may be fed into text-to-speech synthesizers. If you want to get a good idea of how your website looks to a visually challenged person, try using the same methods. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 6 16:20:31 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:20:31 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web accessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:38 PM +0200 2004-07-06, Brad Knowles wrote: > Mailman doesn't use scripts, applets, or plug-ins, nor does > it use frames, tables, graphs, or charts. About the only relevant tips > are the ones regarding hypertext links (which I believe we're already > conformant with), and page organization (which I think we do pretty > good at, although I don't think we use CSS). Correction -- Mailman does make extensive use of tables. However, I believe that we follow pretty well the W3C/WAI QuickTips suggestions on their proper use. > In my own experience, most visually challenged people use text-mode > browsers, such as "lynx" or "links", or programs that operate in a > similar fashion (perhaps Netscape on a 24" monitor with 96 point type > and most advanced features turned off, like auto-loading graphics, > javascript, java, etc...). I have been informed that many visually challenged people use Internet Explorer instead of Netscape (makes me wonder what they're doing about the recent security problems where even the Department of Homeland Security is recommending people switch to other browsers), and while some advanced features may be turned off, others (like Javascript) are apparently typically kept turned on because many pages require them. Nevertheless, this is for a given subset of the visually challenged community. For people who are completely blind, this method probably won't work and alternative methods would have to be used. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jfl at list.idg.dk Tue Jul 6 16:22:29 2004 From: jfl at list.idg.dk (Jacob Friis Larsen) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:22:29 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman speed Message-ID: <40EAB5A5.8060004@list.idg.dk> Is Mailman as fast as sending 3000 mails with 10 recipients in BCC, or even faster? We currently send 30000 newsletters twice a day, and would like to find out if Mailman is as fast as our current system. Thanks, Jacob From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 6 16:35:02 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:35:02 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman speed In-Reply-To: <40EAB5A5.8060004@list.idg.dk> References: <40EAB5A5.8060004@list.idg.dk> Message-ID: At 4:22 PM +0200 2004-07-06, Jacob Friis Larsen wrote: > Is Mailman as fast as sending 3000 mails with 10 recipients in BCC, or > even faster? > > We currently send 30000 newsletters twice a day, and would like to find > out if Mailman is as fast as our current system. Everything will depend on your configuration. To get a sense for how much the performance of a Mailman system can differ depending on the configuration, go to the Mailman FAQ wizard at and search for terms like "performance" and "VERP", and read all of the pages that are returned. In short, the answer is "maybe". -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From kpcarlson at pacbell.net Mon Jul 5 22:08:44 2004 From: kpcarlson at pacbell.net (Ken Carlson) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:08:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] root access? Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20040705130728.019e2fe0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi, Mailman seems like exactly what I need... but I have a shared hosting account and I do not have root access. Is there any way to use mailman without root access? If not, can you recommend a similar program that would work in my situation? Thanks! Ken From yoni003 at gmail.com Tue Jul 6 19:12:18 2004 From: yoni003 at gmail.com (Yoni) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:12:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive attachment - wrong URL Message-ID: I'm having a problem with the attachment URL. It shows up as the default url instead of the virtual domain one - everything else appears to work fine. I traced this to the %(url)s variable in Scrubber.py. Does anyone know where this variable is defined? From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 6 19:15:00 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:15:00 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] root access? In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20040705130728.019e2fe0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <6.1.1.1.0.20040705130728.019e2fe0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 1:08 PM -0700 2004-07-05, Ken Carlson wrote: > Mailman seems like exactly what I need... but I have a shared hosting > account and I do not have root access. Is there any way to use > mailman without root access? Not so far as I know. In shared hosting situations, the hosting provider usually installs and maintains the mailman package on behalf of their customers. If they don't do this for you, you can usually find other providers who do provide these services. See also . > If not, can you recommend a similar > program that would work in my situation? I am not personally aware of anything. If you find anything, please let us know. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From JolinWarren at OakandApple.org Tue Jul 6 15:54:37 2004 From: JolinWarren at OakandApple.org (Jolin M Warren) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:54:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin commands via email In-Reply-To: References: <20040706084540.7598413C826@merke.itea.ntnu.no> Message-ID: At 11:53 on 6-7-04, Brad Knowles wrote: > However, I do not know what the equivalent commands would be > from the command-line, or how you could achieve the same > functionality via the e-mail interface. Is there a reason why you > don't do this through the web interface? I'm also interested in the exact same functionality (direct (un)subscription of users via email), so I'll answer what my reason is. I am often dealing with membership issues for my mailing lists whilst on the train. At these times, I don't have Internet connectivity (but I download my email before leaving home). It is very convenient to queue up emails subscribing new users instead of waiting until I next have an Internet connection and going through the web. This way, I can deal with it on the train when I'm working through my email and I can forget about it (because the requests just go off the next time I check my mail). The other reason this would be useful is because it can be a lot faster if I am subscribing one set of users to multiple email lists and unsubscribing a different set from different lists. I get sent a list of addresses, so using a text editor and grep it is very easy to prepare an email to carry out the various activities (instead of waiting to have an Internet connection and then using multiple web forms). Hope that helps to explain why an administrative email interface can be useful. Cheers, Jolin From ccheng at ameritech.net Tue Jul 6 20:00:33 2004 From: ccheng at ameritech.net (chao) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working Message-ID: <20040706180033.74024.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, All of the sudden our mailman has stopped working, and the following error message was found at /var/lib/mailman/logs. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to reslove this problem? Thanks! Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): Traceback (most recent call last): Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ? Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): kids = main(lock) Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 252, in main Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata) Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg) Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 151, in ParseMailCommands Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): splitsubj = string.split(subject) Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): File "/usr/lib/python2.2/string.py", line 117, in split Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): return s.split(sep, maxsplit) Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): AttributeError : 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'split' From jeff at look.net Tue Jul 6 20:09:19 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:09:19 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin commands via email In-Reply-To: References: <20040706084540.7598413C826@merke.itea.ntnu.no> Message-ID: <99A29262-CF77-11D8-BE1E-000A959666F6@look.net> On Jul 6, 2004, at 9:54 AM, Jolin M Warren wrote: > > The other reason this would be useful is because it can be a lot > faster if I am subscribing one set of users to multiple email lists > and unsubscribing a different set from different lists. I get sent a > list of addresses, so using a text editor and grep it is very easy to > prepare an email to carry out the various activities (instead of > waiting to have an Internet connection and then using multiple web > forms). Not to disagree with you, but why not just save the text file(s) and use the 'Upload' button when you do have a connection? > Hope that helps to explain why an administrative email interface can > be useful. I do agree that it would be nice to have the traditional email admin commands. -Jeff From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 6 20:10:20 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:10:20 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin commands via email In-Reply-To: References: <20040706084540.7598413C826@merke.itea.ntnu.no> Message-ID: At 2:54 PM +0100 2004-07-06, Jolin M Warren wrote: > Hope that helps to explain why an administrative email interface can > be useful. There's no question that an e-mail interface can be useful. The value of this was recognized a long time ago. Mailman does already include an e-mail interface. The original question was how could the admin for a list use the e-mail interface to outright unsubscribe someone, without generating a confirmation notice, even if the list was configured to normally require confirmation. This is a question to which I do not know the answer. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in Tue Jul 6 21:23:33 2004 From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:53:33 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin commands via email In-Reply-To: References: <20040706084540.7598413C826@merke.itea.ntnu.no> Message-ID: <35712.195.212.28.100.1089141813.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> Yes, I think its very much useful to have a document/howto on using commands via E-mail. for example, I am just running a mail server and I don't want a web-server on it. Rather, I haven't installed a webserver on my mail server and I want all the fuctionalisty via shell access or by running commands using E-mails. And since there are more than 1000 mailing lists, I want the admins to be independent and do their daily tasks via Email. Is there any such document avilable. TIA --yogesh From askanas at panix.com Tue Jul 6 23:27:31 2004 From: askanas at panix.com (malgosia askanas (staff)) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin commands via email In-Reply-To: <20040702091425.GF5840@server.onjapan.net> from "Jim Tittsler" at Jul 02, 2004 06:14:25 PM Message-ID: <200407062127.i66LRVw18248@panix5.panix.com> Brad Knowles wrote: >> Hope that helps to explain why an administrative email interface can >> be useful. > There's no question that an e-mail interface can be useful. The > value of this was recognized a long time ago. Mailman does already > include an e-mail interface. I am sorry if I am being really dense; but what _is_ the administrative email interface to Mailman? For example, how _can_ a list administrator unsub a bunch of listmembers via email? I cannot for the world of me find any documentation on this. I am in the process of deciding whether to move a fairly large list-hosting operation from majordomo to Mailman. Although most of our listowners use exclusively MajorCool, there are a few -- some with very large lists -- who do all their subscription and unsubscription operations via email. I want to be able to tell them how they can do this in Mailman, but I haven't been able to find out. Yet I see these hope-arousing little hints, such as Brad's above, that it can be done... -malgosia From brad.knowles at skynet.be Tue Jul 6 23:43:54 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:43:54 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin commands via email In-Reply-To: <200407062127.i66LRVw18248@panix5.panix.com> References: <200407062127.i66LRVw18248@panix5.panix.com> Message-ID: At 5:27 PM -0400 2004-07-06, malgosia askanas (staff) wrote: > I am sorry if I am being really dense; but what _is_ the administrative email > interface to Mailman? For example, how _can_ a list administrator unsub > a bunch of listmembers via email? I cannot for the world of me find any > documentation on this. There is some information for users at . I'm still looking for the comparable information for mailing list administrators, but it looks like this part of the documentation may be lacking. Here's an opportunity for someone who may want to help contribute to the Mailman project, but isn't a programmer -- help us improve the documentation! -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From askanas at panix.com Tue Jul 6 23:51:23 2004 From: askanas at panix.com (malgosia askanas (staff)) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin commands via email In-Reply-To: from "Brad Knowles" at Jul 06, 2004 11:43:54 PM Message-ID: <200407062151.i66LpN424184@panix5.panix.com> Brad wrote: > There is some information for users at > . I'm still looking > for the comparable information for mailing list administrators, but > it looks like this part of the documentation may be lacking. > > Here's an opportunity for someone who may want to help contribute > to the Mailman project, but isn't a programmer -- help us improve the > documentation! Well, I would gladly help improve this part of the documentation, even though I am a programmer -- but the question is, how do I find out, to begin with, the information which needs to go into this presently-missing documentation? -malgosia From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Jul 7 00:12:13 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:12:13 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin commands via email In-Reply-To: <200407062151.i66LpN424184@panix5.panix.com> References: <200407062151.i66LpN424184@panix5.panix.com> Message-ID: At 5:51 PM -0400 2004-07-06, malgosia askanas (staff) wrote: > Well, I would gladly help improve this part of the documentation, even though > I am a programmer -- but the question is, how do I find out, to begin with, > the information which needs to go into this presently-missing documentation? Therein lies the problem. You'd probably need to be able to read the Python code well enough to figure out what it does. ;( We need a good book written on the subject of administering Mailman. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From askanas at panix.com Wed Jul 7 00:18:20 2004 From: askanas at panix.com (malgosia askanas (staff)) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin commands via email In-Reply-To: from "Brad Knowles" at Jul 07, 2004 12:12:13 AM Message-ID: <200407062218.i66MIK301450@panix5.panix.com> > Therein lies the problem. You'd probably need to be able to read > the Python code well enough to figure out what it does. ;( All right, I may be able to do that. But where is the Python code for the administrative commands? It's not in $prefix/Mailman/Commands, is it? At least I don't see anything in there that looks like non-listmembers stuff. -m From jeff at look.net Wed Jul 7 01:57:50 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:57:50 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin commands via email In-Reply-To: <200407062127.i66LRVw18248@panix5.panix.com> References: <200407062127.i66LRVw18248@panix5.panix.com> Message-ID: <49E4021C-CFA8-11D8-9BCF-000A959666F6@look.net> On Jul 6, 2004, at 5:27 PM, malgosia askanas (staff) wrote: > Brad Knowles wrote: > >>> Hope that helps to explain why an administrative email interface can >>> be useful. > >> There's no question that an e-mail interface can be useful. The >> value of this was recognized a long time ago. Mailman does already >> include an e-mail interface. > > I am sorry if I am being really dense; but what _is_ the > administrative email > interface to Mailman? For example, how _can_ a list administrator > unsub > a bunch of listmembers via email? I cannot for the world of me find > any > documentation on this. Send 'help' to the list -request address. You'll receive the command list back. > I am in the process of deciding whether to move a fairly large > list-hosting > operation from majordomo to Mailman. Although most of our listowners > use > exclusively MajorCool, there are a few -- some with very large lists > -- who > do all their subscription and unsubscription operations via email. I > want to > be able to tell them how they can do this in Mailman, but I haven't > been able > to find out. Yet I see these hope-arousing little hints, such as > Brad's above, > that it can be done... I don't think it can as distributed. Looking through cmd_subscribe and cmd_unsubscribe I don't see anything specific for administrators. That said, it shouldn't be too hard to add sub and unsub admin functions though, and cmd_who should provide the clues to build them. Actually, I'm kind of surprised no one's done this. If I get some time over the next few days I might take a stab at it. -Jeff From askanas at panix.com Wed Jul 7 03:25:55 2004 From: askanas at panix.com (malgosia askanas (staff)) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin commands via email In-Reply-To: <49E4021C-CFA8-11D8-9BCF-000A959666F6@look.net> from "Jeff Barger" at Jul 06, 2004 07:57:50 PM Message-ID: <200407070125.i671PtZ12498@panix5.panix.com> Jeff Barger wrote: > > I am sorry if I am being really dense; but what _is_ the > > administrative email > > interface to Mailman? For example, how _can_ a list administrator > > unsub > > a bunch of listmembers via email? I cannot for the world of me find > > any > > documentation on this. > > Send 'help' to the list -request address. You'll receive the command > list back. No, those are not the administrative commands. They cannot be used by a listowner to perform the administrative tasks that are offered by the admin web interface. -malgosia From emm at ams.org Tue Jul 6 21:22:54 2004 From: emm at ams.org (Eric Martin) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:22:54 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maintainer (Subset of Admin) Access to Web Interface Message-ID: <40EAFC0E.4050502@ams.org> I have a list maintainer that is admittedly not very technical. He needs to be able to manage list membership, but gets confused (read: can cause damage) when presented with all the menu options on the admin web interface to MailMan. Is there a recommended way to control access to only a subset of the admin controls for certain users, say, who only want to see the Membership Management page without seeing the links to the other list configuration options? I know I can manually edit the python scripts, but I'm wondering if there isn't already a system in place to do this, or someone that's already done this. Thanks, -Eric From mailman at epic.org Tue Jul 6 22:57:37 2004 From: mailman at epic.org (postal worker) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:57:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Max message size Message-ID: Is there a parameter that sets the max message size for a list? NOT the one in the web interface, that people with the list admin account can change whenever, but a system-level one...? From jfl at list.idg.dk Wed Jul 7 08:14:43 2004 From: jfl at list.idg.dk (Jacob Friis Larsen) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 08:14:43 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman speed In-Reply-To: References: <40EAB5A5.8060004@list.idg.dk> Message-ID: <40EB94D3.6020406@list.idg.dk> Brad Knowles wrote: > At 4:22 PM +0200 2004-07-06, Jacob Friis Larsen wrote: > >> Is Mailman as fast as sending 3000 mails with 10 recipients in BCC, or >> even faster? >> >> We currently send 30000 newsletters twice a day, and would like to find >> out if Mailman is as fast as our current system. > > Everything will depend on your configuration. To get a sense for > how much the performance of a Mailman system can differ depending on the > configuration, go to the Mailman FAQ wizard at > and search for terms like > "performance" and "VERP", and read all of the pages that are returned. > > In short, the answer is "maybe". So I guess if we use a fast MTA and turn off VERP, we will get a system that is equally fast or even faster. Thanks, Jacob From r.sandeep at hp.com Wed Jul 7 08:39:55 2004 From: r.sandeep at hp.com (R, Sandeep) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:09:55 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Store the attachments Message-ID: Hello All, Is there any way in Mailman to strip the attachments from the mail and store it in a directory? For e.g., I have a mailing list and I want all the attachments (only) to be moved/copied to a particular directory. Is this possible with Mailman? Thanks for any help. Regards, Sandeep From maish at zayit.com Wed Jul 7 10:33:16 2004 From: maish at zayit.com (Maish Saidel-Keesing) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:33:16 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Changing the Digest format Message-ID: <20040707073332.320691E400D@bag.python.org> > ______________________________________________ > From: ???? ?????-??????? > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:47 AM > To: 'mailman-users at python.org' > Subject: Changing the Digest format > > I was wondering is it possible to change the way the digest is sent out? > > At the moment some users are receiving the digest ad a mail message that > has all the previous posts from the digest as seprate attachments and mail > messages. > > Is there a way to change the digest to a single mail without attachments > and the messages appear as one text mail? > > And another question. > > Is it possible to change the subject that is in the digest that it could > appear as something else besides > "xxxxxxx Digest, Vol 3, Issue 8 " > > Thanks > Maish Saidel-Keesing > Webmaster > Zayit.com > > > > From iutin at hotbox.ru Wed Jul 7 11:46:22 2004 From: iutin at hotbox.ru (Slava Iutin) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:46:22 +0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] LDAP authentication Message-ID: <40EBC66E.9090801@hotbox.ru> Hello, I would like to insert mailman in some rather big system. LDAP is used as storage of user accounts. It is possible to use LDAP for managing (authentication) of users? Where could I get more information about it? Google talks something not very clear. Or should I add some code for that? Did anybody resolve this task in the past? Thank you very much. -- Slava From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Jul 7 11:13:15 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:13:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Changing the Digest format In-Reply-To: <20040707073332.320691E400D@bag.python.org> References: <20040707073332.320691E400D@bag.python.org> Message-ID: At 10:33 AM +0200 2004-07-07, Maish Saidel-Keesing wrote: >> I was wondering is it possible to change the way the digest is sent out? >> >> At the moment some users are receiving the digest ad a mail message that >> has all the previous posts from the digest as seprate attachments and mail >> messages. That's probably MIME format. >> Is there a way to change the digest to a single mail without attachments >> and the messages appear as one text mail? Go to the "Digest Options" page of the web admin interface for your mailing list. Scroll down to the third item on the list, which should be labeled "When receiving digests, which format is default?" There should be two radio-buttons next to it, labeled "Plain" and "MIME". Assuming that "MIME" is what is currently selected, choose "Plain" instead. >> Is it possible to change the subject that is in the digest that it could >> appear as something else besides >> "xxxxxxx Digest, Vol 3, Issue 8 " You could probably change the templates used to generate the digests. See also . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Jul 7 10:52:22 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:52:22 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Max message size In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 4:57 PM -0400 2004-07-06, postal worker wrote: > Is there a parameter that sets the max message size for a list? > > NOT the one in the web interface, that people with the list admin account > can change whenever, but a system-level one...? This is regulated by your MTA (sendmail, postfix, exim, whatever). This is not something you can control within Mailman, or from the Mailman web interface. If you wish to pursue this further, you should ask follow-on questions on mailing lists/newsgroups that are specific to your OS, or your MTA. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Jul 7 11:55:41 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:55:41 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] LDAP authentication In-Reply-To: <40EBC66E.9090801@hotbox.ru> References: <40EBC66E.9090801@hotbox.ru> Message-ID: At 4:46 PM +0700 2004-07-07, Slava Iutin wrote: > It is possible to use LDAP for managing (authentication) of users? Not in the current version of Mailman, no. > Or should I add some code for that? Did anybody resolve this task > in the past? There may be some people who have put together their own LDAP back-end along with some of the command-line scripts (summarized in ). However, you should search the archives for more information (see ). -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From djb400s at smsu.edu Wed Jul 7 15:19:30 2004 From: djb400s at smsu.edu (Bohnenkamp, Daniel J) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:19:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Form fields Message-ID: When the end user views the pages they see form fields that do not meet the web accessibility do any one have any suggestions on how to make them so that they are. Now I know that they are actually pulled from the python code but does any one have any suggestions From forsythe at chem.iupui.edu Wed Jul 7 15:51:33 2004 From: forsythe at chem.iupui.edu (Kelsey Forsythe) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:51:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error modifying 'sender filters' Message-ID: When I try to modify Sender Filters in the privacy settings I receive the following error: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 175, in main change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1296, in change_options gui.handleForm(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Gui/Privacy.py", line 510, in handleForm GUIBase.handleForm(self, mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Gui/GUIBase.py", line 154, in handleForm doc.addError( File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 340, in addError self.AddItem(Header(3, Bold(FontAttr( TypeError: not enough arguments for format string Thanks for any insight. KF Kelsey Forsythe, PhD Director, Computational Molecular Science Facility IUPUI Chemistry LD 320 402 North Blackford St. Indianapolis, IN 46202 Ph: 317-278-2202 Fax: 317-274-4701 From srb at umich.edu Wed Jul 7 16:13:56 2004 From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:13:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X Server Message-ID: <04A6C2D9B08B1642C1E9D282@srb.icpsr.umich.edu> This was posted on MacInTouch today; it might help the person who was having trouble with Mailman on Mac OS X... A new Apple KB article offers a workaround for a repair permissions problem with mailing lists on Mac OS X Server (apparently fixed in Mac OS X Server 10.3.4): Using the "Repair Disk Permissions" feature in Disk Utility can disable or impair mailing lists. Repair Disk Permissions changes the group permission from the "mailman" to "wheel" for many items at /usr/share/mailman. This stops mailman processes from running with the correct permissions and can interrupt lists' operation. -- Steve Burling University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 From jeff at look.net Wed Jul 7 16:15:24 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:15:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Max message size In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16B49AC9-D020-11D8-A491-000A959666F6@look.net> On Jul 6, 2004, at 4:57 PM, postal worker wrote: > Is there a parameter that sets the max message size for a list? > > NOT the one in the web interface, that people with the list admin > account can change whenever, but a system-level one...? You can set the max message size in your MTA. Or you can hack General.py to get rid of the option in the web interface. Then you can set the 'max_message_size' variable manually using withlist or config_list to change an individual list. -Jeff From djb400s at smsu.edu Wed Jul 7 16:38:53 2004 From: djb400s at smsu.edu (Bohnenkamp, Daniel J) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:38:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web accessibility Message-ID: When the end user views the pages they see form fields that do not meet the web accessibility do any one have any suggestions on how to make them so that they are. Now I know that they are actually pulled from the python code but does any one have any suggestions From djb400s at smsu.edu Wed Jul 7 16:55:44 2004 From: djb400s at smsu.edu (Bohnenkamp, Daniel J) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:55:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Signing up via email Message-ID: Is there any email command or subject that people can send to automatically sign them up to a list? Thank you Daniel From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Jul 7 17:30:12 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:30:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Signing up via email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 9:55 AM -0500 2004-07-07, Bohnenkamp, Daniel J wrote: > Is there any email command or subject that people can send to > automatically sign them up to a list? At the top of every Mailman mailing list, is the set of following headers: List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , At least, those mailing lists which are configured to display the RFC 2369 headers. Users can click on the URLs provided, which will fill in the required fields for them, to the appropriate addresses (for the list in question). Alternatively, you can point them at the documentation for the user e-mail interface to Mailman at . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From askanas at panix.com Wed Jul 7 18:02:27 2004 From: askanas at panix.com (malgosia askanas (staff)) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Conversion considerations? Message-ID: <200407071602.i67G2RF02450@panix5.panix.com> As I mentioned yesterday, our company is in the process of contemplating the conversion of our listserver from majordomo to Mailman. We currently host about 550 lists. The largest list has about 77,000 members; the second largest, about 33,000 members. There are about 1000 messages sent to our lists daily. We would be running Mailman with Postfix under NetBSD. What kinds of problems -- performance and otherwise -- would we be likely to run into if we switch to Mailman? I have seen some past discussions of Mailman performance problems on the Web, but many of them are pretty old. What are the current problems? Could you-all aid my foresight by sharing with me your wisdom about this? From msapiro at value.net Wed Jul 7 18:06:23 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:06:23 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Changing the Digest format In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brad Knowles wrote: >At 10:33 AM +0200 2004-07-07, Maish Saidel-Keesing wrote: > >>> Is there a way to change the digest to a single mail without attachments >>> and the messages appear as one text mail? > > Go to the "Digest Options" page of the web admin interface for >your mailing list. Scroll down to the third item on the list, which >should be labeled "When receiving digests, which format is default?" >There should be two radio-buttons next to it, labeled "Plain" and >"MIME". Assuming that "MIME" is what is currently selected, choose >"Plain" instead. That will change the default for new subscribers. The existing digest subscribers who don't want MIME digests will still have to set their own option to "plain", or the administrator can do it for them on the Membership Management... -> Membership List pages. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Wed Jul 7 18:10:16 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:10:16 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error modifying 'sender filters' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kelsey Forsythe wrote: >When I try to modify Sender Filters in the privacy settings I receive >the following error: > > >Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 > >We're sorry, we hit a bug! > >If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy >of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what >happened. Thanks! > What item were you trying to modify and what were you changing it to? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Jul 7 18:30:39 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:30:39 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Conversion considerations? In-Reply-To: <200407071602.i67G2RF02450@panix5.panix.com> References: <200407071602.i67G2RF02450@panix5.panix.com> Message-ID: At 12:02 PM -0400 2004-07-07, malgosia askanas (staff) wrote: > As I mentioned yesterday, our company is in the process of contemplating > the conversion of our listserver from majordomo to Mailman. > > We currently host about 550 lists. The largest list has about >77,000 members; > the second largest, about 33,000 members. There are about 1000 messages > sent to our lists daily. See for information regarding the largest size lists that have been known to run Mailman. > We would be running Mailman with Postfix under NetBSD. > > What kinds of problems -- performance and otherwise -- would we be likely to > run into if we switch to Mailman? I have seen some past discussions of > Mailman performance problems on the Web, but many of them are pretty old. > What are the current problems? Could you-all aid my foresight by sharing > with me your wisdom about this? Everything is going to be dependant on your hardware, OS, software configuration, etc.... It is entirely possible to run lists of this size on remarkably low-end hardware, if you've gotten the configuration correct. Or, you could have major problems on a high-end machine, if the system is not configured correctly. It all depends on what you've got and how you use it. I recommend you search the FAQ for terms like "performance" and "VERP", and read all of the entries that are found. You may also want to search the postfix documentation, and read their pages regarding performance tuning, etc.... -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From rar at vintagenewyork.com Wed Jul 7 19:10:05 2004 From: rar at vintagenewyork.com (Robert Ransom) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:10:05 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple deliveries Message-ID: <002501c46445$4159c620$0201a8c0@VAIO> Every once in a while I have gotten a subscriber who say he has received like 70 copies of the same posting. Is this a quirk of mailman or something else? _________________________ Robert Ransom Email: rar at vintagenewyork.com Vintage New YorkT www.vintagenewyork.com DRINK LOCAL.sm From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com Wed Jul 7 19:14:17 2004 From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 12:14:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Successful Panther (MacOS X 10.3) installation steps for Mailman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As requested by Brad, here is: Successful Panther (MacOS X 10.3) installation steps for Mailman This document best recalls my experience installing Mailman (2.1.4 but I assume this is equally valid for 2.1.5 which was current when this was written) on MacOS X 10.3 (Panther). It is largely based on Kathleen Webb's document on installing Mailman and Sendmail on MacOS X 10.2 (Jaguar) () which contains some information on tools that can be useful that will not be repeated here. This guide assumes that you have Postfix (which comes with Panther) already configured and operating and that you are familiar with the Unix shell and basic text editing from the shell (vi or emacs). It is intended to help you get Mailman installed. It does not deal with actually using Mailman as there are pleny of other sources of help for that. My notes are incomplete so updates and corrections are welcome. Questions are best asked through the mailman mailing list. ======================================== Step 1) Collect all the things you need. a) You need to download and decompress the Mailman software. (The installation instructions are in step 3.) Download the software from: http://www.list.org/ b) You need to be an administrator of your computer. If you do not have administrator privileges, you will not be able to do this. c) Python comes pre-installed on your computer. It is already functioning and ready for use by Mailman. (To verify you have Python, open the Terminal application. at the % prompt, type: sudo Python -V and then hit the enter/return key. You'll be prompted for your password. When you enter it, the terminal will respond with the Python version. d) Apache web server software comes pre-installed on your computer and has already been configured and is running. e) Postfix is already installed on your computer but is not running by default. You will need to get Postfix configured and started but how to do that is beyond the scope of this document. f) You may need to know how to get into hidden subdirectories. In the Finder, use the Go menu and choose Go to Folder. Type in the path to the hidden folder you need to open. g) You may need to know how to make a new user. You use the System Preferences application [from the Apple menu]. Use the Accounts panel in the System section. h) You need to know how to run the Net Info Manager application. [It is in the Utilities folder in the Applications folder.] You use this to create groups. i) You need to install the Developer Tools that came with your Panther disks or several of the steps won't work. ======================================== Step 2) Set up the user and group needed to run Mailman. I was surprised to find a mailman user already existed. I can only guess that is becuase mailman is included with Panther Server and the account "leaked" into the client version of Panther. Use Netinfo Manager (in Utilities inside Applications) to verify that it is using the following. If mailman does not yet exist, see Kathleen Webb's document to set it up. a) Open the Net Info Manager application. (It is located in the Utilities folder inside the Applications folder.) b) Click on groups in the second column. Click on mailman in the third column. Verify that in the bottom window you see a property "gid" with value 78. c) Click on users in the second column. Click on mailman in the third column. Verify that in the bottom window you see a property "uid" with value 78. Assuming all of the above is there, we're good to go. ======================================== Step 3) Create a folder for mailman in the finder. a) You can choose where to create the folder. I chose to make the mailman folder in the Applications folder. These instructions assume that is where you create the new folder. b) Copy the downloaded and uncompressed mailman-version (e.g. mailman-2.1.5) folder into the new mailman folder in the Applications folder. c) Click on the mailman folder and set the owner and group to mailman with the Show Info command. d) In the Terminal application, type: sudo chmod a+rw,g+ws /Applications/mailman e) Assuming the you are using the mailman-2.1.5 version, in the Terminal application type: cd /Applications/mailman/mailman-2.1.5 sudo ./configure --prefix=/Applications/mailman --with-cgi-gid=70 --with-mail-gid=78 (FYI: on my machine group 70 is www and group 78 is mailman) f) A whole bunch of lines of code will scroll through the Terminal window. When it finishes, in the Terminal window, type: sudo make install cd .. sudo bin/check_perms -f sudo bin/check_perms -f (Repeat the check_perms until no errors are reported. If you end up with problems later, this whole step is probably where the problem will come from. Permissions are important to Mailman.) ======================================== Step 4) Set up your web server to serve the Mailman web pages for subscribing and administrating the mailing list. a) From the Finder, use the Go menu and choose Go to Folder. Type in: /etc/httpd/ b) Select the httpd.conf file. Change its owner to you with Show Info. c) Open httpd.conf with a text editor. Alternatively, skip a and b and using Terminal, type sudo vi /etc/httpd.conf and edit the file with vi (or emacs if you know emacs). Add these lines to the file: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /Applications/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /Applications/mailman/archives/public/ Options FollowSymLinks d) Save the file and close it. Change the owner back to System with the Show Info if you changed it in step b. e) In the Terminal application, type: sudo su cd /Applications/mailman/cron crontab crontab.in exit sudo /Applications/mailman/bin/mmsitepass xxxx [Replace xxxx with the password you want to use as the master password to the mailman application.] ======================================== Step 5) Configure Postfix to support a separate Mailman alias file. a) Edit your Postix configuration file (/etc/postfix/main.cf) and add: alias_maps=hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/Applications/Mailman/data/aliases b) Reload postfix with: sudo postfix reload ======================================== Step 6) Configure Mailman a) We need to let Mailman know we're using Postfix. Using you favorite means of text editing, open /Applications/Mailman/mailman mm_cfg.py and add below the line that says "# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.": MTA = "Postfix" ======================================== Step 7) Create your site-wide mailing list (mailman). Read the instructions in INSTALL in your mailman source directory (/Applications/Mailman/Mailman-2.1.5). In short, in the Terminal application, type: sudo su cd /Applications/mailman bin/newlist mailman bin/config_list -i data/sitelist.cfg mailman ======================================== Step 8) Configure your system to start Mailman when it is booted. a) Open Terminal and change directory to /Library/StartupItems: sudo su cd /Library/StartupItems b) Create the Mailman startup directory: mkdir Mailman c) Verify the directory ownership and permissions: ls -l You should see one of the lines saying something like: drwxr-xr-x 5 root admin 170 12 May 11:21 Mailman d) If the permissions (rwxr-xr-x) are not correct, type: chmod 755 Mailman e) If the owner (root) or group (admin) is not correct, type: chown root:admin Mailman f) Change directory to the Mailman subdirectory (you will now be in /Library/StartupItems/Mailman): cd Mailman g) Using your favorite method of text editing, create the file Mailman (in /Library/StartupItems/Mailman) with the following contents: #!/bin/sh . /etc/rc.common StartService () { if [ "${MAILMAN:=-NO-}" = "-YES-" ]; then ConsoleMessage "Starting mailman service" cd /Applications/Mailman bin/mailmanctl -s start fi } StopService () { ConsoleMessage "Stopping mailman service" cd /Applications/Mailman bin/mailmanctl stop } RestartService () { if [ "${MAILMAN:=-NO-}" = "-YES-" ]; then ConsoleMessage "Restarting mailman service" cd /Applications/Mailman bin/mailmanctl restart else StopService fi } RunService "$1" h) Using your favorite method of text editing, create the file StartupParameters.plist (in /Library/StartupItems/Mailman) with the following contents: { Description = "Mailman mailing list server"; Provides = ("Mailman"); Requires = ("SMTP"); Uses = ("Network Time", "NFS"); Preference = "None"; Messages = { start = "Starting Mailman"; stop = "Stopping Mailman"; restart = "Reloading Mailman Configuration"; }; } i) Using you favorite method of text editing, open /etc/hostconfig and add the line: MAILMAN=-YES- j) Reboot (Restart) your system. When it finishes rebooting, Mailman should be running. To verify, open Terminal and type: ps -ax | grep python You should see a bunch of lines like this: 434 ?? Ss 0:00.04 python bin/mailmanctl -s start 443 ?? S 4:19.95 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 444 ?? S 4:08.58 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 445 ?? S 4:11.20 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 446 ?? S 4:06.93 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 447 ?? S 3:59.35 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 448 ?? S 4:16.59 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 449 ?? S 4:04.08 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 450 ?? S 0:00.85 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 16621 std R+ 0:00.00 grep -i python (The numbers will vary. The important thing is that you see the qrunner processes) ======================================== Step 9) Enjoy! At this point, mailman should be ready to use. Read the documentation in your source directory for instructions on setting up your mailing lists. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Wed Jul 7 19:16:33 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:16:33 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple deliveries In-Reply-To: <002501c46445$4159c620$0201a8c0@VAIO> References: <002501c46445$4159c620$0201a8c0@VAIO> Message-ID: At 1:10 PM -0400 2004-07-07, Robert Ransom wrote: > Every once in a while I have gotten a subscriber who say he has > received like 70 copies of the same posting. Is this a quirk of > mailman or something else? Without looking at all the headers of various sample messages, it's hard to say. The problem might be somewhere within Mailman, although I think that's unlikely -- I haven't heard of anyone having these problems due to Mailman itself. The problem is more likely to be a problem with one of the mail servers which touches the message once it is out of the hands of Mailman. This sort of thing is not too unusual with certain LAN/PC Internet e-mail gateway software, such as cc:Mail, Lotus Notes, Microsoft Mail, Microsoft Exchange, etc.... -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From mark at pdc-racing.net Wed Jul 7 19:21:12 2004 From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:21:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple deliveries In-Reply-To: <002501c46445$4159c620$0201a8c0@VAIO> References: <002501c46445$4159c620$0201a8c0@VAIO> Message-ID: <0B74EFB4-D03A-11D8-8AD8-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net> On Jul 7, 2004, at 10:10 AM, Robert Ransom wrote: > Every once in a while I have gotten a subscriber who say he has > received like 70 copies of the same posting. Is this a quirk of > mailman or something else? Have you verified in your mail logs that your server actually sent the subscriber that many copies? In my experience, duplicated emails are almost always the result of misconfigured sorting rules in the Outlook mail client. Outlook will copy an email to multiple places if you have multiple rules matches, which is not the behaviour you see with most other clients. On the other hand, 70 messages seems like a lot for a rules fubar. - Mark ----- mark at pdc-racing.net From jeff at look.net Wed Jul 7 19:47:39 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:47:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple deliveries In-Reply-To: <002501c46445$4159c620$0201a8c0@VAIO> References: <002501c46445$4159c620$0201a8c0@VAIO> Message-ID: On Jul 7, 2004, at 1:10 PM, Robert Ransom wrote: > Every once in a while I have gotten a subscriber who say he has > received like 70 copies of the same posting. Is this a quirk of > mailman or something else? Dig through your MTA logs and you'll see rather quickly whether or not they were sent or if it's a problem on the remote end. In my experience it's generally a problem on their end. Sometimes you'll see a log message about the connection being dropped and the message possibly being sent more than once. That can be an indication of problem (like too much load) on your server and should be looked into further. Still, in almost every instance I've investigated this has come down to problems on the remote end. -Jeff From brian.oliver at btas.com Wed Jul 7 21:54:45 2004 From: brian.oliver at btas.com (Oliver Brian (BTAS)) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:54:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] None of my Admin's are Recevicing "Waiting for Moderator Aproval E-mails" Message-ID: All, I support a Mailman Server (2.1.4) that has over 40 maillists on it. We took over support from it in February (Everything is working great...except) and ever since we have had issues with Admin's not receiving "Waiting for Moderator Approval E-mails". Not one time has any Admin received these messages, so the lists are getting out of control because the Admins are not moderating. All of the lists have "Moderation Emails" enabled, and the old contractor that supported the site was able to provide these e-mails, because I have example e-mails form some of the admins. The caveat here is that when we took over the system we were only given a backup on the previous system, and we had to start over from scratch. At the time we decided to take the backup and apply it to a newest version of mailman at that time (2.1.4). I'm pretty sure that the previous contractor used a 2.0.X version, so I wondering if something on my end need to be changed to enable this. Every time (that requires or will require moderator approval) I send a message off to a list I get the follwing errors my log files (filename -error): Mail.log - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command: mailowner syslog - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command: mailowner mail.warn - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command: mailowner mail.info - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command: mailowner mail.err - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command: mailowner Also here is a common example of my alias list entries. Could it be possible that the wrapper to mailman change in 2.1 affected the e-mails? ## moims-nav mailing list moims-nav: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post moims-nav" moims-nav-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin moims-nav" moims-nav-bounces: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces moims-nav" moims-nav-confirm: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm moims-nav" moims-nav-join: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join moims-nav" moims-nav-leave: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave moims-nav" moims-nav-owner: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner moims-nav" moims-nav-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request moims-nav" moims-nav-subscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe moims-nav" moims-nav-unsubscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe moims-nav" Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Right now I have 40 different customers ready to cut off my head :-) Thanks, Brian Oliver Web Design & Engineering Support BTAS, Inc. CCSDS Secretariat Support - NASA Phone: 937-431-9431 Fax: 937-431-9413 Email: brian.oliver at btas.com -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Brian (BTAS) Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:27 AM To: Brad Knowles Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Administrator E-mail I have followed the guide below. It was helpful. When I post a non-member message to the list that requires moderation I get the following errors. Could this be the reason why the admin is not getting a notification e-mail? Mail.log - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command: mailowner syslog - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command: mailowner mail.warn - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command: mailowner mail.info - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command: mailowner mail.err - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command: mailowner This is my alias entry for the list. I am running Mailman 2.1 ## moims-nav mailing list moims-nav: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post moims-nav" moims-nav-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin moims-nav" moims-nav-bounces: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces moims-nav" moims-nav-confirm: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm moims-nav" moims-nav-join: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join moims-nav" moims-nav-leave: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave moims-nav" moims-nav-owner: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner moims-nav" moims-nav-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request moims-nav" moims-nav-subscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe moims-nav" moims-nav-unsubscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe moims-nav" Brian Oliver Web Developer BTAS, Inc. CCSDS Secretariat Support - NASA Phone: (937) 937-431-9431 Fax: (937) 937-431-9413 Email: brian.oliver at btas.com -----Original Message----- From: Brad Knowles [mailto:brad.knowles at skynet.be] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:20 PM To: Oliver Brian (BTAS) Cc: Brad Knowles; mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Administrator E-mail At 5:53 PM -0400 2004-06-09, Oliver Brian $BTAS$ wrote: > Thanks. I checked and I have that enabled on all of my lists. Could > there be in issue internal to mailman (propery files, etc.) that I > should look at? Well, if the feature is enabled, the next thing I'd look at is the Mailman logs of outgoing messages as compared to the MTA logs, as well as the cron jobs. You've got a slightly different issue, but the troubleshooting guidelines at would be a good place to start. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From egd at us.ibm.com Wed Jul 7 22:15:36 2004 From: egd at us.ibm.com (Elizabeth Dunnagan) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:15:36 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Elizabeth Dunnagan/Raleigh/IBM cannot get to her mail. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 07/06/2004 and will not return until 07/12/2004. I'll get back with you when I return. If you need to speak to someone before I return, please contact Jack Pizzolato (919-254-7116) for design, Peter Yim (919-543-4797) for push, Kimberly Brantley (919-486-2507) for all other search matters and IA. From arekm at pld-linux.org Wed Jul 7 23:50:38 2004 From: arekm at pld-linux.org (Arkadiusz Miskiewicz) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:50:38 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: mailpasswds meeses with encoding Message-ID: <200407072350.38861.arekm@pld-linux.org> Since mailman-developers@ moderators are not working (or are very busy) I'm sending these here. Btw. it's better to set list to reject non-members posts if moderators do not have time - I would not wait and just subscribe there but since I'm on -users.... :) ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: mailpasswds meeses with encoding Date: Saturday 03 of July 2004 20:11 From: Arkadiusz Miskiewicz To: mailman-developers at python.org [root at anduril cron]# su - mailman -s /bin/sh -c "python -S /var/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds -l pld-rc-scripts" Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds", line 239, in ? main() File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds", line 214, in main text += (header + '\n' + NL.join(table)) UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xb3 in position 44: ordinal not in range(128) the problem is that header is created: header = '%-40s %-10s\n%-40s %-10s' % ( _('List'), _('Password // URL'), '----', '--------') but for example Password in Polish contains non-ascii characters so this patch is needed: # Coerce everything to Unicode +header = tounicode(header, enc) text = tounicode(text, enc) table = [tounicode(_t, enc) for _t in table] This fixes problem for me. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=984682&group_id=103& atid=300103 ------------------------------------------------------- And another one: Hi, Polish templates use iso-8859-2 charset. Now mailpasswds converts that to unicode and i18n.set_language(poplang) msg = Message.UserNotification( addr, siteowner, _('%(host)s mailing list memberships reminder'), text, poplang) so it calls UserNotification with text in unicode and poplang='pl'. In UserNotification: def __init__(self, recip, sender, subject=None, text=None, lang=None): Message.__init__(self) charset = None if lang is not None: charset = Charset(Utils.GetCharSet(lang)) for pl charset will be iso-8859-2 if text is not None: self.set_payload(text, charset) so it sets payload with unicode text and tells that it's iso-8859-2 charset, bad. if subject is None: subject = '(no subject)' self['Subject'] = Header(subject, charset, header_name='Subject', errors='replace') exactly the same here self['From'] = sender if isinstance(recip, ListType): self['To'] = COMMASPACE.join(recip) self.recips = recip else: self['To'] = recip self.recips = [recip] That ends with sort-of-quoted-printable unicode text like: To jest przypomnienie, wysy=142ane raz na miesi=105c, o tym, =17Ce jeste= =15B cz=142onkiem It seems that conversion from unicode to specified lang charset is missing here. Patch attached that works for me. Comments? --- Message.py.org 2004-07-03 20:52:47.847479096 +0200 +++ Message.py 2004-07-03 20:48:48.082928848 +0200 @@ -199,10 +199,10 @@ if lang is not None: charset = Charset(Utils.GetCharSet(lang)) if text is not None: - self.set_payload(text, charset) + self.set_payload(text.encode(charset.input_charset,'replace'), charset) if subject is None: subject = '(no subject)' - self['Subject'] = Header(subject, charset, header_name='Subject', + self['Subject'] = Header(subject.encode(charset.input_charset,'replace'), charset, header_name='Subject', errors='replace') self['From'] = sender if isinstance(recip, ListType): ------------------------------------------------------- Unfortunately this patch breaks things in other cases so the fix is different (don't know yet what - didn't have time to play more with this). -- Arkadiusz Mi?kiewicz CS at FoE, Wroclaw University of Technology arekm.pld-linux.org, 1024/3DB19BBD, JID: arekm.jabber.org, PLD/Linux From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in Thu Jul 8 00:22:56 2004 From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 03:52:56 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] None of my Admin's are Recevicing "Waiting forModerator Aproval E-mails" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12574.195.212.28.100.1089238976.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> I think your MTA does not know the user-id/name using which it should run the Mailman alias commands. I mean, suppose your Mailman is ocnfigured with uid "mailman" and your MTA is postfix, then postfix should know that it should execute all the mailman related alias commands as user "mailman" --yogesh > All, > > I support a Mailman Server (2.1.4) that has over 40 maillists on it. We > took over support from it in February (Everything is working > great...except) and ever since we have had issues with Admin's not > receiving "Waiting for Moderator Approval E-mails". Not one time has > any Admin received these messages, so the lists are getting out of > control because the Admins are not moderating. All of the lists have > "Moderation Emails" enabled, and the old contractor that supported the > site was able to provide these e-mails, because I have example e-mails > form some of the admins. > > The caveat here is that when we took over the system we were only given > a backup on the previous system, and we had to start over from scratch. > At the time we decided to take the backup and apply it to a newest > version of mailman at that time (2.1.4). I'm pretty sure that the > previous contractor used a 2.0.X version, so I wondering if something on > my end need to be changed to enable this. > > Every time (that requires or will require moderator approval) I send a > message off to a list I get the follwing errors my log files (filename > -error): > Mail.log - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal > command: mailowner > syslog - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command: > mailowner > mail.warn - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal > command: mailowner > mail.info - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal > command: mailowner > mail.err - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal > command: mailowner > > Also here is a common example of my alias list entries. Could it be > possible that the wrapper to mailman change in 2.1 affected the e-mails? > > ## moims-nav mailing list > moims-nav: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post moims-nav" > moims-nav-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin moims-nav" > moims-nav-bounces: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces > moims-nav" > moims-nav-confirm: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm > moims-nav" > moims-nav-join: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join moims-nav" > moims-nav-leave: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave moims-nav" > moims-nav-owner: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner moims-nav" > moims-nav-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request > moims-nav" > moims-nav-subscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe > moims-nav" > moims-nav-unsubscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe > moims-nav" > > Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Right now I have 40 > different customers ready to cut off my head :-) > > Thanks, > > Brian Oliver > Web Design & Engineering Support > BTAS, Inc. > CCSDS Secretariat Support - NASA > Phone: 937-431-9431 > Fax: 937-431-9413 > Email: brian.oliver at btas.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Brian > (BTAS) > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:27 AM > To: Brad Knowles > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Administrator E-mail > > I have followed the guide below. It was helpful. When I post a > non-member message to the list that requires moderation I get the > following errors. Could this be the reason why the admin is not getting > a notification e-mail? > > Mail.log - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal > command: mailowner > syslog - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command: > mailowner > mail.warn - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal > command: mailowner > mail.info - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal > command: mailowner > mail.err - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal > command: mailowner > > This is my alias entry for the list. I am running Mailman 2.1 > > ## moims-nav mailing list > moims-nav: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post moims-nav" > moims-nav-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin moims-nav" > moims-nav-bounces: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces > moims-nav" > moims-nav-confirm: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm > moims-nav" > moims-nav-join: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join moims-nav" > moims-nav-leave: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave moims-nav" > moims-nav-owner: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner moims-nav" > moims-nav-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request > moims-nav" > moims-nav-subscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe > moims-nav" > moims-nav-unsubscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe > moims-nav" > > Brian Oliver > Web Developer > BTAS, Inc. > CCSDS Secretariat Support - NASA > Phone: (937) 937-431-9431 > Fax: (937) 937-431-9413 > Email: brian.oliver at btas.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Knowles [mailto:brad.knowles at skynet.be] > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:20 PM > To: Oliver Brian (BTAS) > Cc: Brad Knowles; mailman-users at python.org > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Administrator E-mail > > At 5:53 PM -0400 2004-06-09, Oliver Brian $BTAS$ wrote: > >> Thanks. I checked and I have that enabled on all of my lists. Could >> there be in issue internal to mailman (propery files, etc.) that I >> should look at? > > Well, if the feature is enabled, the next thing I'd look at is > the Mailman logs of outgoing messages as compared to the MTA logs, as > well as the cron jobs. You've got a slightly different issue, but > the troubleshooting guidelines at > > would be a good place to start. > > -- > Brad Knowles, > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." > -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. > > SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > --yogesh ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jul 8 00:28:17 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 00:28:17 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: mailpasswds meeses with encoding In-Reply-To: <200407072350.38861.arekm@pld-linux.org> References: <200407072350.38861.arekm@pld-linux.org> Message-ID: At 11:50 PM +0200 2004-07-07, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote: > Since mailman-developers@ moderators are not working (or are very busy) I'm > sending these here. Btw. it's better to set list to reject non-members posts > if moderators do not have time - I would not wait and just subscribe there > but since I'm on -users.... :) We've just gotten the new mail server for python.org online and we're trying to un-bury ourselves from the massive load of spam. We've got a number of new anti-spam techniques that we've implemented in the past day or two, and we hope to continue to pursue that work. This should allow the mailman-developers moderators more time to deal with real messages, and have less spam to worry about. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From chris.a.adams at state.or.us Thu Jul 8 01:36:16 2004 From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:36:16 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] defining topics Message-ID: <40EC88F0.6010702@state.or.us> I would like to set up some topics and allow subscribers to subscribe to topics of their choice. So, I have set up one called 'Licensing'. The Regular Expression is simply Licensing. I have 2 current subscribers. One (me) is subscribed to the Licensing topic. The other is not. When I send out the message, the body looks like this: Licensing Blah blah..blah..blah..blah ######################################## From the documentation, I assume that all that has to happen is that if in the first 5 lines (the default) of the message body, the string Licensing is found, the message will be sent to me since I am subscribed to Licensing, but not to the subscriber that is not subscribed to the topic. Both of us have the option to receive message without topics turned off. The result is the opposite of what I would expect. I don't get the message, but the address not subscribed to the topic does. I have done this consistently and can't figure out what might be the problem. -- Christopher Adams From msapiro at value.net Thu Jul 8 02:41:21 2004 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:41:21 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] defining topics In-Reply-To: <40EC88F0.6010702@state.or.us> Message-ID: Christopher Adams wrote: >I would like to set up some topics and allow subscribers to subscribe to >topics of their choice. So, I have set up one called 'Licensing'. The >Regular Expression is simply Licensing. I have 2 current subscribers. >One (me) is subscribed to the Licensing topic. The other is not. When I >send out the message, the body looks like this: > >Licensing > >Blah blah..blah..blah..blah > >######################################## > > > From the documentation, I assume that all that has to happen is that if >in the first 5 lines (the default) of the message body, the string >Licensing is found, the message will be sent to me since I am subscribed >to Licensing according to the VARHELP, topics_bodylines_limit (topics): How many body lines should the topic matcher scan? The topic matcher will scan this many lines of the message body looking for topic keyword matches. Body scanning stops when either this many lines have been looked at, or a non-header-like body line is encountered. By setting this value to zero, no body lines will be scanned (i.e. only the Keywords: and Subject: headers will be scanned). By setting this value to a negative number, then all body lines will be scanned until a non-header-like line is encountered. Apparently the line Licensing in the body of the message is not a "header-like" line. try Topic: Licensing or Keywords: Licensing >but not to the subscriber that is not subscribed to the >topic. Both of us have the option to receive message without topics >turned off. If a user is not subscribed to any topics, the option to not receive messages with no topic is ignored. Thus the other user should receive the post until s/he subscribes to at least one topic. >The result is the opposite of what I would expect. I don't get the >message, but the address not subscribed to the topic does. I have done >this consistently and can't figure out what might be the problem. I think the result is correct - you don't receive the post because it doesn't match the Licensing topic because the "Licensing" line is not "keyword-like", and the other user receives all posts because s/he isn't subscribed to any topics. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jwt at onjapan.net Thu Jul 8 03:35:14 2004 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:35:14 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] None of my Admin's are Recevicing "Waiting for Moderator Aproval E-mails" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F8B5630-D07F-11D8-855C-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net> On Jul 8, 2004, at 04:54, Oliver Brian (BTAS) wrote: > At the time we decided to take the backup and apply it to a newest > version of mailman at that time (2.1.4). I'm pretty sure that the > previous contractor used a 2.0.X version, so I wondering if something > on > my end need to be changed to enable this. > > Every time (that requires or will require moderator approval) I send a > message off to a list I get the follwing errors my log files (filename > -error): > Mail.log - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal > command: mailowner mailowner was the script name used in Mailman 2.0.x for handling -admin requests. You may want to double check your mail server configuration to see if it is configured to automatically route mailing list mail without the need for explicit aliases for each list... they may still be configured to use the old Mailman 2.0.x script names rather than those you are using in your alias file. (Check the README.{your-MTA-here} files in the source distribution.) -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From Simon.de.Kraa at nl.fujitsu.com Thu Jul 8 08:39:34 2004 From: Simon.de.Kraa at nl.fujitsu.com (Kraa de Simon) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:39:34 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with JapaneseCodecs-1.4.10; unable to execute gcc: No suc h file or directory Message-ID: Hello, On SunOS 5.9 using the Sun C Compiler (cc) and mailman-2.1.5. configure make install During make install I get the following error: unable to execute gcc: No such file or directory. (see below for details) It is the following command that gives me the problem. cd ./JapaneseCodecs-1.4.10 ; umask 02 ; PYTHONPATH=/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib /usr/local/bin /python setup.py --quiet install --install-lib /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib --i nstall-purelib /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib --install-data /usr/local/mailman/p ythonlib I don't have gcc installed (and I cannot install gcc on this system). Is there a way I can work around this problem? I don't think I need JapaneseCodecs-1.4.10 or KoreanCodecs-2.0.5... Thanks, Simon. ------------------------------ for p in email-2.5.5 JapaneseCodecs-1.4.10 KoreanCodecs-2.0.5; \ do \ gunzip -c ./$p.tar.gz | (cd . ; tar xf -); \ (cd ./$p ; umask 02 ; PYTHONPATH=/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib /usr/local/bin /python setup.py --quiet install --install-lib /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib --i nstall-purelib /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib --install-data /usr/local/mailman/p ythonlib); \ done /usr/local/lib/python2.3/distutils/dist.py:213: UserWarning: 'licence' distribut ion option is deprecated; use 'license' warnings.warn(msg) unable to execute gcc: No such file or directory error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1 *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `install-packages' Current working directory /export/home/skr/packages/mailman-2.1.5/misc *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `doinstall' # ------------------------------ From mercenary at mail.ru Thu Jul 8 10:03:43 2004 From: mercenary at mail.ru (mercenary at mail.ru) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:03:43 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove "To:"-field from message Message-ID: <20040708110343.7a22798d@AIM-lnx-kovalev> Hello community. I want to completely remove mail list address from message. Can I remove "To:" field, that contain mail list address, from message or replace it by something else? -- WBR Dmitry Kovalev. ICQ UIN: 40912331 JID: mercenary at jabber.linux.it ASPLinux 9.0 & gentoo 2004.1 From jayfr at alphathetadelta.com Thu Jul 8 11:23:33 2004 From: jayfr at alphathetadelta.com (Jay Fredlund) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:23:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] administrative problems Message-ID: <200407080523.AA468713782@alphathetadelta.com> I was forced to switch over to Mailman recently and have encountered an issue which is causing some major stress. I have searched several places and have come up empty-handed. Our members list is integrated in an Access database and ASP for use on the web. On our previous listproc server, myself and other administrators could edit member information and whether they were subscribed to the list. Upon editing the page, the ASP server sends an e-mail command from the owner subscribing or unsubscribing the user. Now that I've switched, I can still add/remove the users from my website, but the owner (myself) has to confirm via web interface every time. I essentially want to know if it is possible to remove the confirmation step if the owner subscribes the address. However, I still want to be able to confirm subscriptions if the owner did not send the request. Is this possible? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Jay From iane at sussex.ac.uk Thu Jul 8 12:18:36 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:18:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman speed In-Reply-To: <40EB94D3.6020406@list.idg.dk> References: <40EAB5A5.8060004@list.idg.dk> <40EB94D3.6020406@list.idg.dk> Message-ID: <3136B98C25DE8D786E151BB2@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> ort, the answer is "maybe". > > So I guess if we use a fast MTA and turn off VERP, we will get a system > that is equally fast or even faster. You can let the MTA do the VERP for you. That is faster than letting mailman do it. > Thanks, > Jacob > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jul 8 15:23:38 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:23:38 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove "To:"-field from message In-Reply-To: <20040708110343.7a22798d@AIM-lnx-kovalev> References: <20040708110343.7a22798d@AIM-lnx-kovalev> Message-ID: At 11:03 AM +0300 2004-07-08, mercenary at mail.ru wrote: > I want to completely remove mail list address from message. Can I remove > "To:" field, that contain mail list address, from message or replace it by > something else? No. If you did that, the mail system wouldn't know who the message is addressed to, and wouldn't be able to deliver it. I think I know what you're looking for. Please see and . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jul 8 15:26:39 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:26:39 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman speed In-Reply-To: <3136B98C25DE8D786E151BB2@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> References: <40EAB5A5.8060004@list.idg.dk> <40EB94D3.6020406@list.idg.dk> <3136B98C25DE8D786E151BB2@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 11:18 AM +0100 2004-07-08, Ian A B Eiloart wrote: > You can let the MTA do the VERP for you. That is faster than letting > mailman do it. That may be true for Exim, but perhaps not for other MTAs. Assuming that's true, it's still going to slow down the MTA quite a bit. Moreover, I question the value of this within the context of Mailman -- since Mailman didn't do the VERP on outbound, I wonder whether or not it will be able to make appropriate use of the extended information on the incoming bounce. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jul 8 15:28:49 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:28:49 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] administrative problems In-Reply-To: <200407080523.AA468713782@alphathetadelta.com> References: <200407080523.AA468713782@alphathetadelta.com> Message-ID: At 5:23 AM -0400 2004-07-08, Jay Fredlund wrote: > I essentially want to know if it is possible to remove the confirmation > step if the owner subscribes the address. However, I still want to be > able to confirm subscriptions if the owner did not send the request. Using the command-line tools, you should be able to do this. However, hooking up your Access back-end to the command-line tools is an exercise left for the reader. See to learn more about the command-line tools. If you want to do this from the e-mail interface, I'll have to leave that issue to others to answer, since I am not as familiar with it. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From iane at sussex.ac.uk Thu Jul 8 16:52:18 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 15:52:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman speed In-Reply-To: References: <40EAB5A5.8060004@list.idg.dk> <40EB94D3.6020406@list.idg.dk> <3136B98C25DE8D786E151BB2@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> Message-ID: <920B337DDD5AE4F775C7ACEC@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> --On Thursday, July 8, 2004 3:26 pm +0200 Brad Knowles wrote: > At 11:18 AM +0100 2004-07-08, Ian A B Eiloart wrote: > >> You can let the MTA do the VERP for you. That is faster than letting >> mailman do it. > > That may be true for Exim, but perhaps not for other MTAs. Assuming > that's true, it's still going to slow down the MTA quite a bit. Well, the overall system performance will be intermediate between no VERP and letting Mailman do the VERP. Mailman would only need to pass one copy of the message to the MTA (subject to max_recipient rules on both). The MTA doesn't need to VERP local deliveries. If many of your recipients are local, as they would be on a corporate or university system for internal lists, then there is a large saving here. The MTA does need to VERP remote deliveries, and that means making callouts to remote machines for each recipient. However, exim will use a single connection for each remote host - rather than one per recipient. So, exim has to send the data several times, but it doesn't have to read the data several times. > Moreover, I question the value of this within the context of Mailman -- > since Mailman didn't do the VERP on outbound, I wonder whether or not it > will be able to make appropriate use of the extended information on the > incoming bounce. Yes, it will. There would not have been much point doing it otherwise. The ONLY change to the Mailman configuration there is VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL. The exim recipe does the -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From iane at sussex.ac.uk Thu Jul 8 16:58:05 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 15:58:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove "To:"-field from message In-Reply-To: References: <20040708110343.7a22798d@AIM-lnx-kovalev> Message-ID: <350AEE68755B2E7742212C2A@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> --On Thursday, July 8, 2004 3:23 pm +0200 Brad Knowles wrote: > At 11:03 AM +0300 2004-07-08, mercenary at mail.ru wrote: > >> I want to completely remove mail list address from message. Can I >> remove "To:" field, that contain mail list address, from message or >> replace it by something else? > > No. If you did that, the mail system wouldn't know who the message is > addressed to, and wouldn't be able to deliver it. That's just not true. The message recipients are taken from the envelope, not the headers. I've BCC'd this message to you and to mercenary at mail.ru. You won't find either of your addresses in the headers. > I think I know what you're looking for. Please see > > and > . -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jul 8 17:36:48 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 17:36:48 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman speed In-Reply-To: <920B337DDD5AE4F775C7ACEC@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> References: <40EAB5A5.8060004@list.idg.dk> <40EB94D3.6020406@list.idg.dk> <3136B98C25DE8D786E151BB2@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> <920B337DDD5AE4F775C7ACEC@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 3:52 PM +0100 2004-07-08, Ian A B Eiloart wrote: > The MTA does need to VERP remote deliveries, and that means making > callouts to remote machines for each recipient. However, exim will > use a single connection for each remote host - rather than one per > recipient. So, exim has to send the data several times, but it doesn't > have to read the data several times. The real cost here is not reading the data several times, or making several remote connections when one would have sufficed -- proper connection caching and queue sorting would have solved the latter problem anyway. No, the real cost here is the extra queue entries that the MTA would have to make for each of the VERPed recipients as received by Mailman, as opposed to being able to make just one queue entry and allowing the MTA to VERP the recipients itself. Synchronous meta-data updates are the single biggest performance limiter for MTAs, assuming you have configured the rest of the mail server correctly. > Yes, it will. There would not have been much point doing it otherwise. > The ONLY change to the Mailman configuration there is > VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL. The exim recipe does the Of course, this does assume that the MTA uses the same VERP format that Mailman would have used, otherwise Mailman is likely to get very confused. This may or may not pose a problem for you, but you should at least check to make sure that they both use the same formats. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From wheakory at isu.edu Thu Jul 8 18:17:26 2004 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 10:17:26 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug error in Send filter option Message-ID: <40ED7396.3060909@isu.edu> I recieve this below error when I setup the non-member messages to be discarded when no action is taken in the send filters option. Any Solution to this? Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 175, in main change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1296, in change_options gui.handleForm(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Gui/Privacy.py", line 510, in handleForm GUIBase.handleForm(self, mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Gui/GUIBase.py", line 158, in handleForm doc.addError( File "/home/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 340, in addError self.AddItem(Header(3, Bold(FontAttr( TypeError: not enough arguments for format string ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.1.3 (#1, Apr 9 2002, 22:27:11) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-98)] sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Environment variables: Variable Value DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/mailman SERVER_ADDR 134.50.250.14 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip,deflate CONTENT_LENGTH 10956 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded PATH_TRANSLATED /var/www/mailman/irh/privacy/sender REMOTE_ADDR 134.50.249.22 SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.6b DAV/1.0.3 PHP/4.1.2 mod_perl/1.26 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_COOKIE mailman+admin=280200000069c256ed40732800000033303035313436383336313330616362353433663334386633353436343835626139343036666136; childts+admin=280200000069f756ed40732800000063653036323334393331303563313233646639616231336137626234373830306134663937616466; irh+admin=280200000069d072ed40732800000066616661663263616337383662653834323236333066393861346135613833383637616233663930 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us,en;q=0.5 REMOTE_PORT 1806 SERVER_PORT 80 HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040614 Firefox/0.8 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 HTTP_ACCEPT text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin/irh/privacy/sender QUERY_STRING SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300 HTTP_HOST mm.isu.edu REQUEST_METHOD POST SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.27 Server at mm.isu.edu Port 80 SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin SERVER_ADMIN wheakory at isu.edu SCRIPT_FILENAME /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin PYTHONPATH /home/mailman PATH_INFO /irh/privacy/sender HTTP_REFERER http://mm.isu.edu/mailman/admin/irh/privacy/sender SERVER_NAME mm.isu.edu -- Kory Wheatley Academic Computing Analyst Sr. Phone 282-3874 ######################################### Everything must point to him. From iane at sussex.ac.uk Thu Jul 8 18:43:45 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:43:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman speed In-Reply-To: References: <40EAB5A5.8060004@list.idg.dk> <40EB94D3.6020406@list.idg.dk> <3136B98C25DE8D786E151BB2@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> <920B337DDD5AE4F775C7ACEC@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3F42E9FD1D13E4DAB35EBB3F@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> --On Thursday, July 8, 2004 5:36 pm +0200 Brad Knowles wrote: > At 3:52 PM +0100 2004-07-08, Ian A B Eiloart wrote: > >> The MTA does need to VERP remote deliveries, and that means making >> callouts to remote machines for each recipient. However, exim will >> use a single connection for each remote host - rather than one per >> recipient. So, exim has to send the data several times, but it doesn't >> have to read the data several times. > > The real cost here is not reading the data several times, or making > several remote connections when one would have sufficed -- proper > connection caching and queue sorting would have solved the latter problem > anyway. > > No, the real cost here is the extra queue entries that the MTA would > have to make for each of the VERPed recipients as received by Mailman, as > opposed to being able to make just one queue entry and allowing the MTA > to VERP the recipients itself. I'm not sure that I follow what you are saying here. Anyway, exim won't be queueing mail AFTER doing the VERP. Only the un-VERPED message gets queued. EXIM's philosophy is to avoid queueing messages if possible, because it is usually possible to deliver a message at the first attempt. Probably better than 99% likelihood for a typical mix of domains. Mailman will queue one copy of the message, and exim will pick it up and immediately attempt delivery (including VERP rewrites). If it delivers to all recipients, it throws away the message. If it has temporary failures on some, it will leave the single message on the queue, and write a file recording who has received the message. At least, I think that's the way it works. The strategy probably wouldn't work with an MTA like qmail which queues first and thinks later. > > Synchronous meta-data updates are the single biggest performance limiter > for MTAs, assuming you have configured the rest of the mail server > correctly. > >> Yes, it will. There would not have been much point doing it otherwise. >> The ONLY change to the Mailman configuration there is >> VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL. The exim recipe does the > > Of course, this does assume that the MTA uses the same VERP format that > Mailman would have used, otherwise Mailman is likely to get very > confused. This may or may not pose a problem for you, but you should at > least check to make sure that they both use the same formats. Of course it does! The whole point of the recipe is to deliver Mailman like VERP without the overhead in handoff of messages from Mailman to the MTA. -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From chris.a.adams at state.or.us Thu Jul 8 19:10:24 2004 From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 10:10:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] defining topics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40ED8000.8070401@state.or.us> Thanks for your reply. I guess my confusion comes when the documentation says "To post on a given topic, you need to make sure that the Keywords: or Subject: headers in a message match the regular expression for that topic." It sounds like it is referring to the actual header portion of the message.There obviously isn't a Keywords: header in the actual header of the message. However, it goes on to say: "By default, you can put a Keywords: section in the beginning of the body of your message, but this can be configured by your list admiinistrator." I take that to mean that if I define the topic with the Regular Expression "Keywords: Licensing", that all I have to do to match the topic is to compose my message body like this: Keywords: Licensing blah blah blah. However, I don't receive the message. It is true that any address not subscribed to any topic will receive all messages, so the message is being delivered, just not to the address subscribed to the topic. I have tried defining the regular expression as just "Licensing" and composing my message with Licensing on the first line, but that doesn't work either. As with other Mailman "features", the documentation on this is pretty cryptic. A simple regular expression should not be hard to match. I just don't know what header labels to use when trying to match the topic in the body of the message. Using the Subject line works, but some of my lists mail to multiple topics and using the Subject field is not practical. Can someone who uses Topics please post some basic information about how this is used? Christopher Adams Mark Sapiro wrote: >Christopher Adams wrote: > > > >>I would like to set up some topics and allow subscribers to subscribe to >>topics of their choice. So, I have set up one called 'Licensing'. The >>Regular Expression is simply Licensing. I have 2 current subscribers. >>One (me) is subscribed to the Licensing topic. The other is not. When I >>send out the message, the body looks like this: >> >>Licensing >> >>Blah blah..blah..blah..blah >> >>######################################## >> >> >>From the documentation, I assume that all that has to happen is that if >>in the first 5 lines (the default) of the message body, the string >>Licensing is found, the message will be sent to me since I am subscribed >>to Licensing >> >> > >according to the VARHELP, > >topics_bodylines_limit (topics): How many body lines should the topic >matcher scan? > >The topic matcher will scan this many lines of the message body looking >for topic keyword matches. Body scanning stops when either this many >lines have been looked at, or a non-header-like body line is >encountered. By setting this value to zero, no body lines will be >scanned (i.e. only the Keywords: and Subject: headers will be >scanned). By setting this value to a negative number, then all body >lines will be scanned until a non-header-like line is encountered. > >Apparently the line > Licensing > >in the body of the message is not a "header-like" line. try > Topic: Licensing >or > Keywords: Licensing > > > >>but not to the subscriber that is not subscribed to the >>topic. Both of us have the option to receive message without topics >>turned off. >> >> > >If a user is not subscribed to any topics, the option to not receive >messages with no topic is ignored. Thus the other user should receive >the post until s/he subscribes to at least one topic. > > > >>The result is the opposite of what I would expect. I don't get the >>message, but the address not subscribed to the topic does. I have done >>this consistently and can't figure out what might be the problem. >> >> > >I think the result is correct - you don't receive the post because it >doesn't match the Licensing topic because the "Licensing" line is not >"keyword-like", and the other user receives all posts because s/he >isn't subscribed to any topics. > >-- >Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > > From ysidoro at gmail.com Thu Jul 8 20:54:42 2004 From: ysidoro at gmail.com (Rodolfo Pilas) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:54:42 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner OutgoingRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting. Message-ID: I have problems from logs/qrunner: Jul 08 10:52:19 2004 (6632) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 16123, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Jul 08 10:52:20 2004 (16257) OutgoingRunner qrunner started. Jul 08 10:52:39 2004 (6632) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 16257, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Jul 08 10:52:39 2004 (6632) Qrunner OutgoingRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting. and the MM stops to deliver mail. (I have this problem once a day aprox.) I use Debian + Mailman 2.1.4-5 Can you give me a tip to debug/solve this problem? I have change MAX_RESTART as suggest message http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2003-April/015006.html but I wish to locate the real problem. -- Rodolfo Pilas (Ysidoro con 'Y') From Darren.Young at gsb.uchicago.edu Thu Jul 8 21:47:14 2004 From: Darren.Young at gsb.uchicago.edu (Young, Darren) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:47:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disable archive on all lists Message-ID: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B5C74D3@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> Under Mailman 2.0 is there a way to disable archives for all the lists? 800 lists on the systems and I don't really feel like going in to all the web pages... Same question on a 2.1 installation as well. Thanks, Darren Young Senior UNIX Administrator University of Chicago Graduate School of Business darren.young at gsb.uchicago.edu Voice: 773-702-0331 From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jul 8 21:33:42 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 21:33:42 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman speed In-Reply-To: <3F42E9FD1D13E4DAB35EBB3F@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> References: <40EAB5A5.8060004@list.idg.dk> <40EB94D3.6020406@list.idg.dk> <3136B98C25DE8D786E151BB2@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> <920B337DDD5AE4F775C7ACEC@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> <3F42E9FD1D13E4DAB35EBB3F@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 5:43 PM +0100 2004-07-08, Ian A B Eiloart wrote: > Anyway, exim won't be queueing mail AFTER doing the VERP. Only the > un-VERPED message gets queued. Which is the point. Doing the VERP in Mailman means that multiple messages would get queued, one for each recipient. If you queue the message first and then do the VERP afterwards, that will avoid the synchronous meta-data update operations for all those additional recipients. > EXIM's philosophy is to avoid queueing > messages if possible, because it is usually possible to deliver a > message at the first attempt. Probably better than 99% likelihood for > a typical mix of domains. My experience is that 90-99% of initial delivery attempts are successful, which seems to match with the philosophy of Exim. > At least, I think that's the way it works. The strategy probably > wouldn't work with an MTA like qmail which queues first and thinks > later. Which was my point behind the statement that this would depend on the MTA implementation. >> Of course, this does assume that the MTA uses the same VERP format that >> Mailman would have used, otherwise Mailman is likely to get very >> confused. This may or may not pose a problem for you, but you should at >> least check to make sure that they both use the same formats. > > Of course it does! The whole point of the recipe is to deliver Mailman > like VERP without the overhead in handoff of messages from Mailman to > the MTA. But you've got to make sure that the VERP format is the same. And how do you deal with recipient addresses which are themselves VERPed? How do you take a VERPed recipient address and then VERP that for inclusion in the envelope sender address? -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jeff at look.net Thu Jul 8 22:00:29 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:00:29 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disable archive on all lists In-Reply-To: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B5C74D3@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B5C74D3@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <764E0DEC-D119-11D8-92AB-000A959666F6@look.net> On Jul 8, 2004, at 3:47 PM, Young, Darren wrote: > > Under Mailman 2.0 is there a way to disable archives for all the lists? > 800 lists on the systems and I don't really feel like going in to all > the web pages... > > Same question on a 2.1 installation as well. With 2.1.x you could use either config_list or withlist to do it. Don't know about 2.0. -Jeff From Darren.Young at gsb.uchicago.edu Thu Jul 8 22:23:18 2004 From: Darren.Young at gsb.uchicago.edu (Young, Darren) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:23:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit destination Message-ID: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B5C74E8@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> Can anyone explain this message: List: UNIX at gsblms.uchicago.edu From: root at gsb.uchicago.edu Subject: (no subject) Reason: Message has implicit destination Thanks. Darren Young Senior UNIX Administrator University of Chicago Graduate School of Business darren.young at gsb.uchicago.edu Voice: 773-702-0331 From ben at spiritguardian.com Thu Jul 8 22:28:21 2004 From: ben at spiritguardian.com (Ben M. Swihart) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:28:21 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving beyond the Newsletter FAQ Message-ID: <001901c4652a$1cfd4a50$6700a8c0@libertatium> Hello, I am using mailman exclusively as a newsletter/announce delivery system. Only one specified e-mail account can post to my lists and they are one-way posts only. I've read the helpful FAQ on the subject and I have gotten my "mailman newsletter" up and running. My problem is, though, since no-one but the moderator can actually post, how do I add new subscribers? Is there a way to send commands via e-mail from the moderator? I believe I am bound to management via e-mail because I'm unable to execute mailman commands with a php script - the permissions are too strict, and I'm sure it's for good reason. Thanks for your help, Ben M. Swihart SpiritGuardian.com From mark at pdc-racing.net Thu Jul 8 22:31:38 2004 From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:31:38 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit destination In-Reply-To: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B5C74E8@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B5C74E8@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: On Jul 8, 2004, at 1:23 PM, Young, Darren wrote: > Can anyone explain this message: > > List: UNIX at gsblms.uchicago.edu > From: root at gsb.uchicago.edu > Subject: (no subject) > Reason: Message has implicit destination > > Thanks. Someone BCC'd the list instead of listing it on the To or CC lines. It gets trapped because it's often spammed. - Mark ----- mark at pdc-racing.net From jeff at look.net Thu Jul 8 22:33:15 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:33:15 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit destination In-Reply-To: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B5C74E8@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B5C74E8@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <0A1C3527-D11E-11D8-92AB-000A959666F6@look.net> On Jul 8, 2004, at 4:23 PM, Young, Darren wrote: > > Can anyone explain this message: > > List: UNIX at gsblms.uchicago.edu > From: root at gsb.uchicago.edu > Subject: (no subject) > Reason: Message has implicit destination See: -Jeff From ben at spiritguardian.com Thu Jul 8 22:43:43 2004 From: ben at spiritguardian.com (Ben M. Swihart) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:43:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving beyond the Newsletter FAQ In-Reply-To: <87AA71E8-D11D-11D8-815B-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> Message-ID: <001a01c4652c$4294f040$6700a8c0@libertatium> I could, as you suggest, send them to mailman's web interface so they can then add themselves, but it's a great deal of work (if not impossible) to get this page to match an existing design. Here is my subscription page: http://thetroutdale.spiritguardian.com/mailinglist.php Also, when someone wishes to enter a contest, they have an option of subscribing to a newsletter. This is a very commonly enabled feature to forms online that collect customer data. If they opt to subscribe to the newsletter during contest entry, then I must somehow interact with the mailman instance following or preceding data entry. Here is the contest page: http://thetroutdale.spiritguardian.com/contest.php Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Dan Phillips [mailto:dhphllps at memphis.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:30 PM To: Ben M. Swihart Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving beyond the Newsletter FAQ On Jul 8, 2004, at 3:28 PM, Ben M. Swihart wrote: > I've read the helpful FAQ on the subject and I have gotten my "mailman > newsletter" up and running. My problem is, though, since no-one but > the moderator can actually post, how do I add new subscribers? Is > there a > way to send commands via e-mail from the moderator? I believe I am > bound to management via e-mail because I'm unable to execute mailman > commands with a php script - the permissions are too strict, and I'm > sure it's for good reason. > I don't understand why you'd want to use a php script; why not just use the normal MM web interface? Dan From ben at spiritguardian.com Thu Jul 8 22:50:06 2004 From: ben at spiritguardian.com (Ben M. Swihart) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:50:06 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving beyond the Newsletter FAQ In-Reply-To: <0369A863-D11E-11D8-92AB-000A959666F6@look.net> Message-ID: <001b01c4652d$26cd50e0$6700a8c0@libertatium> Your suggestion appears to be: For every user who wishes to subscribe to the newsletter an admin (me or my client) must go to a web page and manually add them, one at a time. This is completely unviable. Either I am harassing my very busy client to add members manually or I am spending valuable time (for which I'm certain I could never bill the client) doing this task myself . If there is not a way for users to add themselves to a one-way newsletter mode of mailman, it's simply not practical. Thank you for your reply, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Barger [mailto:jeff at look.net] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:33 PM To: Ben M. Swihart Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving beyond the Newsletter FAQ On Jul 8, 2004, at 4:28 PM, Ben M. Swihart wrote: > Hello, > > I am using mailman exclusively as a newsletter/announce delivery > system. > Only one specified e-mail account can post to my lists and they are > one-way posts only. > > I've read the helpful FAQ on the subject and I have gotten my "mailman > newsletter" up and running. My problem is, though, since no-one but > the moderator can actually post, how do I add new subscribers? Is > there a > way to send commands via e-mail from the moderator? I believe I am > bound to management via e-mail because I'm unable to execute mailman > commands with a php script - the permissions are too strict, and I'm > sure it's for good reason. The admin generally would do it through the built-in web interface. Subscribers should be able to go to the listinfo page and attempt to subscribe or attempt it through the -request, -join and -subscribe addresses. As far as I know there are no admin tools available through email beyond the 'who' command. -Jeff From iane at sussex.ac.uk Thu Jul 8 22:48:27 2004 From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:48:27 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman speed In-Reply-To: References: <40EAB5A5.8060004@list.idg.dk> <40EB94D3.6020406@list.idg.dk> <3136B98C25DE8D786E151BB2@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> <920B337DDD5AE4F775C7ACEC@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> <3F42E9FD1D13E4DAB35EBB3F@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk> Message-ID: <2147483647.1089323307@[192.168.1.13]> --On Thursday, July 8, 2004 9:33 pm +0200 Brad Knowles wrote: >> Of course it does! The whole point of the recipe is to deliver Mailman >> like VERP without the overhead in handoff of messages from Mailman to >> the MTA. > > But you've got to make sure that the VERP format is the same. And how do > you deal with recipient addresses which are themselves VERPed? How do > you take a VERPed recipient address and then VERP that for inclusion in > the envelope sender address? Well, take a look at the recipe that I linked to in my first message in this thread. > > You can let the MTA do the VERP for you. That is faster than letting > mailman do it. This part of the recipe makes it ignore already VERPed addresses # only the un-VERPed bounce addresses are handled senders = "*-bounces@*" And this part defines the VERP format. return_path = \ ${local_part:$return_path}+$original_local_part=\ $original_domain@${domain:$return_path} -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team Sussex University ITS From jeff at look.net Thu Jul 8 22:55:43 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:55:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving beyond the Newsletter FAQ In-Reply-To: <001a01c4652c$4294f040$6700a8c0@libertatium> References: <001a01c4652c$4294f040$6700a8c0@libertatium> Message-ID: <2D516C03-D121-11D8-92AB-000A959666F6@look.net> On Jul 8, 2004, at 4:43 PM, Ben M. Swihart wrote: > I could, as you suggest, send them to mailman's web interface so they > can then add themselves, but it's a great deal of work (if not > impossible) to get this page to match an existing design. It's not impossible at all. Shouldn't even be hard. > Here is my subscription page: > http://thetroutdale.spiritguardian.com/mailinglist.php > See: -Jeff From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jul 8 22:52:52 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:52:52 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit destination In-Reply-To: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B5C74E8@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B5C74E8@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: At 3:23 PM -0500 2004-07-08, Young, Darren wrote: > Can anyone explain this message: > > List: UNIX at gsblms.uchicago.edu > From: root at gsb.uchicago.edu > Subject: (no subject) > Reason: Message has implicit destination See . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jul 8 22:55:38 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:55:38 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving beyond the Newsletter FAQ In-Reply-To: <001901c4652a$1cfd4a50$6700a8c0@libertatium> References: <001901c4652a$1cfd4a50$6700a8c0@libertatium> Message-ID: At 4:28 PM -0400 2004-07-08, Ben M. Swihart wrote: > I've read the helpful FAQ on the subject and I have gotten my "mailman > newsletter" up and running. My problem is, though, since no-one but the > moderator can actually post, how do I add new subscribers? My suggestion is to have two separate lists. One remains announce-only, to which the moderator posts. The other is a discussion list, which any subscriber may post to. The alternative is to convert the announce-only list to a discussion list. To do that, all you need to do is to turn off the moderation bit for all your existing subscribers. Then any subscriber can post. > Is there a > way to send commands via e-mail from the moderator? I believe I am > bound to management via e-mail because I'm unable to execute mailman > commands with a php script - the permissions are too strict, and I'm > sure it's for good reason. There is the Mailman web interface. That is usually the best way to try to manage a Mailman mailing list. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From ben at spiritguardian.com Thu Jul 8 23:33:19 2004 From: ben at spiritguardian.com (Ben M. Swihart) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 17:33:19 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Integrating mailman with customer data Message-ID: <001c01c46533$307b2210$6700a8c0@libertatium> Hello, Mailman basically has a database of e-mail addresses and (optionally) names. Commercial clients of mine find databases like these very useful. However, most of them need a little more data about their customers. NAME ADDRESS E-MAIL PHONE ... Etc... One of the best way to gather this data is on the web. Typically, someone who gathers this data will want to contact them. They can either send them a nice card in the postal mail or, at much less cost, send them a mass e-mail. This is where mailman comes in. It seems to me to be the best written open-source method of doing safe, responsible, mass delivery of e-mail. However, there seems to be little consideration for the idea that e-mail address is typically only one field in a database of customers that is used in real life to make money and/or grow business. All I am trying to accomplish is integrate the powerful functionality of mailman with a database of customers. When someone wishes to contact all of their customers by e-mail, then they should be using mailman IMHO because it's intelligent about headers, MTA's, logging, configuration, and much more. So... Since I can't expand mailman's database of customers, I have to use another database and middleware such as MySQL/PHP. Whenever I manage this database via admin tools, if I delete a customer or change their e-mail address, then I have to manage them in mailman as well. It makes no sense to have to have to do things twice every time you add/change a customer! This basic idea of using mailman in concert with more data about who is being e-mailed does not seem all that foreign or unusual to me, but reading through the mailman documents and posting to this list leaves me feeling like I am trying to use mailman to power my hobby spacecraft to 100km! Hoping to find someone who has succeeded at this sort of implementation, Ben M. Swihart From nick at ivict.com Thu Jul 8 23:45:20 2004 From: nick at ivict.com (Nick De Decker) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 23:45:20 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + qmail/vpopmail Message-ID: <20040708214531.1BEC928327@beluga.ivict.net> Hello, I just installed mailman on my server but it won't send out mail. I configured mailman using: --with-cgi-gid="ivdaemons" (apache runs under this group) --with-mail-gid="qmail" (I got the qmail and the qmailq groups, maybe this should be something different ?) After installation I ran the check_perms script and evenything was ok. I also created the mailman list. www.mysite.com/mailman/admin also worked, i was able to create a new list there. However mailman won't send out mail, in the mailman/logs directory I find messages like this: Post log: Jul 08 23:19:12 2004 (28232) post to inpeach from mailman-admin at lists.inpeach.com, size=1855, message-id=, 1 failures Jul 08 23:19:13 2004 (28232) post to inpeach from inpeach-request at lists.inpeach.com, size=1660, message-id=, 1 failures Jul 08 23:19:13 2004 (28232) post to inpeach from inpeach-request at lists.inpeach.com, size=1658, message-id=, 1 failures Smtp log: Jul 08 23:19:12 2004 (28232) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.005 seconds Jul 08 23:19:13 2004 (28232) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.005 seconds Jul 08 23:19:13 2004 (28232) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.005 seconds Smtp-failure log: Jul 08 23:04:13 2004 (28232) Low level smtp error: (2, 'No such file or directory'), msgid: Jul 08 23:04:13 2004 (28232) delivery to listmaster at lists.inpeach.com failed with code -1: (2, 'No such file or directory') Jul 08 23:04:13 2004 (28232) Low level smtp error: (2, 'No such file or directory'), msgid: None Jul 08 23:04:13 2004 (28232) delivery to mailman-owner at lists.inpeach.com failed with code -1: (2, 'No such file or directory') Jul 08 23:04:13 2004 (28232) Low level smtp error: (2, 'No such file or directory'), msgid: Jul 08 23:04:13 2004 (28232) delivery to nick at ivict.com failed with code -1: (2, 'No such file or directory') Jul 08 23:04:13 2004 (28232) Low level smtp error: (2, 'No such file or directory'), msgid: Jul 08 23:04:13 2004 (28232) delivery to info at ivict.com failed with code -1: (2, 'No such file or directory') Judging from the the logs I think the aliases aren't set up correctly. The problem is that I am running qmail in combination with vpopmail. I don't have an idea how to setup the aliases. In my lists.inpeach.com domain I tried creating soms .qmail files -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 83 Jul 8 21:02 .qmail-mailman -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 84 Jul 8 21:02 .qmail-mailman-admin -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86 Jul 8 21:02 .qmail-mailman-bounces -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86 Jul 8 21:02 .qmail-mailman-confirm -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 83 Jul 8 21:02 .qmail-mailman-join -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 84 Jul 8 21:02 .qmail-mailman-leave -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 84 Jul 8 21:02 .qmail-mailman-owner -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86 Jul 8 21:02 .qmail-mailman-request -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 88 Jul 8 21:02 .qmail-mailman-subscribe -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 90 Jul 8 21:02 .qmail-mailman-unsubscribe But it does not seem to work Maybe it is in conflict with the vpopmail setup ? I don't have a clue , any help is welcome. Kind Regards, Nick De Decker i-Vision ICT Group Kerkstraat 42b B-9080 Lochristi Phone: +32 9 345.46.84 Fax: +32 9 345.46.85 Email: info at ivict.com i-Vision, We Can Make You Grow Visit us at http://www.ivict.com From brad.knowles at skynet.be Thu Jul 8 23:48:13 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 23:48:13 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Integrating mailman with customer data In-Reply-To: <001c01c46533$307b2210$6700a8c0@libertatium> References: <001c01c46533$307b2210$6700a8c0@libertatium> Message-ID: At 5:33 PM -0400 2004-07-08, Ben M. Swihart wrote: > Mailman basically has a database of e-mail addresses and (optionally) > names. Actually, it's not a true database. This information is contained within a Python "pickle" structure on disk, for each mailing list. > All I am trying to accomplish is integrate the powerful functionality of > mailman with a database of customers. When someone wishes to contact > all of their customers by e-mail, then they should be using mailman IMHO > because it's intelligent about headers, MTA's, logging, configuration, > and much more. So... Since I can't expand mailman's database of > customers, I have to use another database and middleware such as > MySQL/PHP. Whenever I manage this database via admin tools, if I delete > a customer or change their e-mail address, then I have to manage them in > mailman as well. It makes no sense to have to have to do things twice > every time you add/change a customer! You can use the mailman command-line tools to synchronize against external databases. There are various people on the list who have described their work in doing so. I would encourage you to search the archives of the mailing list. See to learn more about how to search the archives of the mailing list, and to learn more about the Mailman command-line programs. > This basic idea of using mailman in concert with more data about who is > being e-mailed does not seem all that foreign or unusual to me, but > reading through the mailman documents and posting to this list leaves me > feeling like I am trying to use mailman to power my hobby spacecraft to > 100km! The problem is that Mailman is a mailing list manager. It is not a customer resources manager, nor does it have direct interfaces to real databases (real database interfaces are supposedly coming for Mailman3). See and also . I'd also encourage you to look at . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From mailman at allenhost.com Thu Jul 8 23:54:44 2004 From: mailman at allenhost.com (AllenHost mailman) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:54:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] from: field Message-ID: <00a601c46536$306b3c30$6401a8c0@desktop3> I have a customer who has created an announce-only list. He wants the from: field to be an email address he specifies, not the list email address. Can that be configured? I don't mind hard-coding it if I know where to look. No luck with the FAQ wizard or archives on this. If it's there and I missed it please give me a steer in the right direction. Thanks, Larry From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in Fri Jul 9 00:07:02 2004 From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 03:37:02 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] replicating lists Message-ID: <32649.195.212.28.100.1089324422.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> hi, I have configured Mailman on two servers. Should one fail I will route my traffic towards the secondary server. But my problem is how do I keep the lists on both the servers in synchronisation? I can use transparent ssh to copy file from one server to other on regular intervals. So can I just copy few files/directories from primary server to the secondary? Will those lists then will work? TIA --yogesh From jeff at look.net Fri Jul 9 00:09:51 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 18:09:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] from: field In-Reply-To: <00a601c46536$306b3c30$6401a8c0@desktop3> References: <00a601c46536$306b3c30$6401a8c0@desktop3> Message-ID: <88DF2FA8-D12B-11D8-B072-000A959666F6@look.net> On Jul 8, 2004, at 5:54 PM, AllenHost mailman wrote: > I have a customer who has created an announce-only list. He wants the > from: > field to be an email address he specifies, not the list email address. > Can > that be configured? I don't mind hard-coding it if I know where to > look. > > No luck with the FAQ wizard or archives on this. If it's there and I > missed > it please give me a steer in the right direction. Just send from the address you want it to be From. -Jeff From mailman at allenhost.com Fri Jul 9 00:14:32 2004 From: mailman at allenhost.com (AllenHost mailman) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 17:14:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] from: field References: <00a601c46536$306b3c30$6401a8c0@desktop3> <88DF2FA8-D12B-11D8-B072-000A959666F6@look.net> Message-ID: <00d701c46538$f2625100$6401a8c0@desktop3> > Just send from the address you want it to be From. Thanks for your help. That's what he's doing. The From: field shows up as listname at hostname.com. From jeff at look.net Fri Jul 9 00:35:09 2004 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 18:35:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] from: field In-Reply-To: <00d701c46538$f2625100$6401a8c0@desktop3> References: <00a601c46536$306b3c30$6401a8c0@desktop3> <88DF2FA8-D12B-11D8-B072-000A959666F6@look.net> <00d701c46538$f2625100$6401a8c0@desktop3> Message-ID: <1190F407-D12F-11D8-B072-000A959666F6@look.net> On Jul 8, 2004, at 6:14 PM, AllenHost mailman wrote: >> Just send from the address you want it to be From. > > > Thanks for your help. That's what he's doing. The From: field shows > up as > listname at hostname.com. Then turn the 'anonymous-list' feature back off. -Jeff From will at willspc.net Fri Jul 9 01:09:52 2004 From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 19:09:52 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Lists not being displayed Message-ID: <200407082306.TAA11855@ns2.wnahosting.com> Hi, I saw this question was asked April 4, 2003, but was unable to find an answer to it. I was using mailman V2.1.4, just upgraded to V2.1.5. The last 2 mailing lists created under V2.1.4 aren't showing up on the listinfo pages for the websites in question. I can go to www.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/lista and can access it, but when I go to www.domain.com/mailman/listinfo it doesn't show as a list. The permissions have it set to be an advertised list on the server though. Any ideas? --Will From mailman at allenhost.com Fri Jul 9 01:41:30 2004 From: mailman at allenhost.com (AllenHost mailman) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 18:41:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] from: field References: <00a601c46536$306b3c30$6401a8c0@desktop3><88DF2FA8-D12B-11D8-B072-000A959666F6@look.net><00d701c46538$f2625100$6401a8c0@desktop3> <1190F407-D12F-11D8-B072-000A959666F6@look.net> Message-ID: <013a01c46545$1858fb50$6401a8c0@desktop3> > > Thanks for your help. That's what he's doing. The From: field shows > > up as listname at hostname.com. > > Then turn the 'anonymous-list' feature back off. Thank you. That got it exactly. Regards, Larry From brad.knowles at skynet.be Fri Jul 9 02:12:31 2004 From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 02:12:31 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] replicating lists In-Reply-To: <32649.195.212.28.100.1089324422.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> References: <32649.195.212.28.100.1089324422.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in> Message-ID: