From tommy at zgambo.net  Tue Jun  1 00:49:09 2004
From: tommy at zgambo.net (Tommyz)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 15:49:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Returned mail: see transcript for details]
Message-ID: <40BBB665.1080904@zgambo.net>

Help still getting this error..if the prob is chroot how would i go 
about solving this

any help will be apreciated ...thx

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Returned mail: see transcript for details
Date: 	Mon, 31 May 2004 08:46:01 +0100
From: 	Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at ultinets.net>
To: 	<tommy at zgambo.net>



The original message was received at Mon, 31 May 2004 08:46:01 +0100
from root at localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/mailman request test"
    (reason: 4)
    (expanded from: <test-request at ultinets.net>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
No such file or directory
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 4



From vince at gotimenow.com  Tue Jun  1 01:46:34 2004
From: vince at gotimenow.com (Vince Kronlein)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 18:46:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring Links
Message-ID: <00ed01c44769$8673a300$6466a8c0@GOTimeNow>

Hey All,

This is my first post here, I'm setting up my mailing list as part of the cpanel add-on through my hosting company.  In their TOS it's required that all mailing lists require that emails have unsubscribe links not reply emails.

I've been searching the python site for about 2 hours looking for an answer and can't find one. Please give me a hand someone.

Thanks so much.

Vince Kronlein

From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Jun  1 02:45:42 2004
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 20:45:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply Command Acting Weird
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040531140719.02598d58@pop.visi.com>
Message-ID: <40BB9976.12740.106FE9D@localhost>

On 31 May 2004 at 14:09, David Andrews wrote:

> I am running Mailman version 2.1.5.  I have a couple users reporting
> that when they use the "Reply" command in their mail program, that
> both the list address, and the sender of the original message,
> addresses are put there.  I have Mailman set to set reply to the list,
> so the sender shouldn't be there.  One user uses PM Mail, another
> Outlook Express.
> 
> Any ideas?

Assuming that by PM Mail, you mean Pegasus Mail, then it's probably a 
case of the user is selecting "Address Reply to: All Recipients" in 
the reply dialog box when they click Reply.

As for OE, they are probably clicking Reply All, which puts bitha 
addresses in the To line.

So, in both cases, it's just how they are replying.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Following the rules will not get the job done.





From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  1 02:37:46 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 02:37:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply Command Acting Weird
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040531140719.02598d58@pop.visi.com>
References: <6.0.1.1.0.20040531140719.02598d58@pop.visi.com>
Message-ID: <p06002000bce18005d8e2@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:09 PM -0500 2004/05/31, David Andrews wrote:

>  I am running Mailman version 2.1.5.  I have a couple users reporting that
>  when they use the "Reply" command in their mail program, that both the
>  list address, and the sender of the original message, addresses are put
>  there.  I have Mailman set to set reply to the list, so the sender
>  shouldn't be there.  One user uses PM Mail, another Outlook Express.

	They're probably doing a "Reply-All", which is replying to all 
the addresses shown in the "From:", "To:", and "Cc:" headers, and 
ignoring the content of the "Reply-To:" header.

	If so, then there's not much you can do about this -- you're at 
the mercy of the clients.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  1 02:42:47 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 02:42:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring Links
In-Reply-To: <00ed01c44769$8673a300$6466a8c0@GOTimeNow>
References: <00ed01c44769$8673a300$6466a8c0@GOTimeNow>
Message-ID: <p06002001bce1806ef17d@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:46 PM -0500 2004/05/31, Vince Kronlein wrote:

>  This is my first post here, I'm setting up my mailing list as part of
>  the cpanel add-on through my hosting company.  In their TOS it's
>  required that all mailing lists require that emails have unsubscribe
>  links not reply emails.
>
>  I've been searching the python site for about 2 hours looking for an
>  answer and can't find one. Please give me a hand someone.

	Unless the CPanel installation has done something weird, every 
message that goes out with have a whole host of "List-" headers at 
the top, just like the mailman-users mailing list:

	List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
	List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
	List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users>
	List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
	List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
	List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>

	In addition, you could enable list personalization, which will 
cause the footer to be appended to every message.  This footer can 
have anything in it that you want, but you will have to customize the 
template to suit.  On the mailman-users mailing list, we have:

	------------------------------------------------------
	Mailman-Users mailing list
	Mailman-Users at python.org
	http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
	Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
	Searchable Archives: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/


	In essence, everything you need should either already be done by 
default, or easily accomplished through a bit of trivial modification 
to the list configuration.  For further information, I'd encourage 
you to read through the Mailman documentation at 
<http://www.list.org/docs.html>, search through the Mailman FAQ 
Wizard at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py>, and search the 
archives of the mailman-users mailing list.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From sumit.agarwal at st.com  Tue Jun  1 12:11:50 2004
From: sumit.agarwal at st.com (Sumit AGARWAL)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:41:50 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] query
Message-ID: <001301c447c0$db46a6f0$a2c0c68a@f162>

On admin login I want to autanticate user from the user values stored in my mysql database.
How I can do it?
sumit




From a.west at acu.ac.uk  Tue Jun  1 14:50:44 2004
From: a.west at acu.ac.uk (Alexandra West)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:50:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web admin interface (permissions) problem
Message-ID: <40BC7BA4.4050603@acu.ac.uk>

Hello everybody,

We're running Mailman 2.1.4 with Python 2.2 on Woody (kernel 2.1.43),
Apache 1.3.26. I have no problem configuring the lists from
/var/lib/mailman/bin and viewing the results in the web admin interface.
However, whenever I try to change anything through the web interface,
all changes are lost after hitting the Submit changes button.

I've checked permissions and compared it to the setup of Mailman 2.0.11
on another machine where the interface is working, but to no avail.

I'm convinced this is something really simple but I can't find it and
it's driving me crazy since I'm under pressure to have it finished by
tomorrow. So please forgive me if you've heard this one before (I've
found other posts describing the same problem but maddeningly there were
no answers).

Any ideas? Is there a FAQ I've overlooked? I can probably not see the
wood for the trees anymore.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Alexandra




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  1 15:14:19 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:14:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] query
In-Reply-To: <001301c447c0$db46a6f0$a2c0c68a@f162>
References: <001301c447c0$db46a6f0$a2c0c68a@f162>
Message-ID: <p06002009bce2307dd987@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:41 PM +0530 2004/06/01, Sumit AGARWAL wrote:

>  On admin login I want to autanticate user from the user values stored
>  in my mysql database.

	This is not possible with the current version of Mailman.  IIRC, 
there has been some discussion of adding back-end database features 
to Mailman 3, but I don't know the specifics of that work.

	There may also be some unofficial patches from third-parties 
which provide back-end database features for Mailman.  You would do 
well to search the Mailman SourceForge page at 
<http://sourceforge.net/projects/mailman>, and especially the list of 
patches at <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=300103>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From barbara at hum.aau.dk  Tue Jun  1 14:07:40 2004
From: barbara at hum.aau.dk (Barbara B. Johansen)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:07:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] export/import of lists
In-Reply-To: <1085871515.2164.17.camel@asgard.cpd.ufv.br>
References: <1085871515.2164.17.camel@asgard.cpd.ufv.br>
Message-ID: <40BC718C.6070306@hum.aau.dk>

When I moved my lists from 2.0.5 to 2.1.4 I used that script:

mylist=mellemrummet
mv old_inst/lists/$mylist new_inst/lists
mv old_inst/archives/private/$mylist new_inst/archives/private
mv old_inst/archives/private/$mylist.mbox new_inst/archives/private
rm old_installation/archives/public/$mylist
rm old_installation/archives/public/$mylist.mbox
cd new_inst
bin/withlist -l -r fix_url $mylist

Afterwards I had to remove all config.db and config.db.last files. It 
seems that the excistens of these files determine wether the old eller 
the new mailmaninstallation takes care of the incoming mail.

That was it. There was no need for special scripts for moving users og 
passwords. I think all information about a list is stored i the config* 
files.

Greetings
Barbara

Eduardo Jaime Quiros Batres wrote:

> Searching the internet I found several references to just backup (tar or
> something similar) my lists and restore them to another place and after
> that just changing apache for the new virtual host, DNS, and aliases
> 
> but I'm finding some things strange, it seems the filenames are rather
> diferent:
> 
> OLD server:
> 
> version: mailman-2.0.13-1U80_1cl
> 
> list of files in /usr/lib/mailman/lists/test:
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 root     mailman  1706 Dez 14  2001 admindbpreamble.html
> -rw-rw---- 1 mailman  mailman  2900 Mai 29 17:00 config.db
> -rw-rw---- 1 mailman  mailman  2900 Mai 29 12:00 config.db.last
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 root     mailman   189 Dez 14  2001 handle_opts.html
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 root     mailman  1026 Dez 14  2001 headfoot.html
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 root     mailman  3136 Dez 14  2001 listinfo.html
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 root     mailman  4106 Dez 14  2001 options.html
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman  mailman     2 Mai 29 17:00 request.db
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 root     mailman  1169 Dez 14  2001 roster.html
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 root     mailman   198 Dez 14  2001 subscribe.html
> 
> NEW server:
> 
> version: mailman-2.1.4-2mdk
> 
> lists of files in  /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman:
> -rw-rw----  1 mail mail 3415 Mai 29 19:03 config.pck
> -rw-rw----  1 mail mail 3415 Mai 29 18:50 config.pck.last
> 
> ---------------
> permissions/owner can be changed easelly but the files are so different!
> 
> Does anyone have a script to:
> 1) export users, import in a new list
> 2) save passwords of each list and recover (altough the size os the
> crypt password if rather diferent I don't want to contact each list
> owner
> 3) export/import history
> 4) export/import configuration of the list (owner, public/private etc)
> 
> Thanks

-- 
med venlig hilsen
Barbara

Barbara B. Johansen
Det Humanistiske Fakultets EDB-kontor
Aalborg Universitet
Kroghstraede 3
DK 9220 Aalborg



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  1 15:40:23 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:40:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web admin interface (permissions)
 problem
In-Reply-To: <40BC7BA4.4050603@acu.ac.uk>
References: <40BC7BA4.4050603@acu.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <p0600200abce2352df2b6@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:50 PM +0100 2004/06/01, Alexandra West wrote:

>  We're running Mailman 2.1.4 with Python 2.2 on Woody (kernel 2.1.43),
>  Apache 1.3.26. I have no problem configuring the lists from
>  /var/lib/mailman/bin and viewing the results in the web admin interface.
>  However, whenever I try to change anything through the web interface,
>  all changes are lost after hitting the Submit changes button.

	Have you changed the URL for the list, without completely 
following the instructions at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp>? 
Have you changed the list to secure it via HTTPS/SSL/TLS, without 
completely following the instructions at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.027.htp>?

	Personally, it sounds to me like you're accessing the site via a 
redirect, which is tossing away the POST changes.  See also the 
entire thread including 
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-April/035964.html>.

>  Any ideas? Is there a FAQ I've overlooked? I can probably not see the
>  wood for the trees anymore.

	The redirect issue has come up before.  If you can come up with a 
suitable entry for the Mailman FAQ, I'd encourage you to add it to 
the list.  Alternatively, if you can adequately describe your problem 
in a way that would be more obvious, then we can create a suitable 
FAQ entry and put it into the Wizard.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From p.savelberg at dkv.nl  Tue Jun  1 11:44:59 2004
From: p.savelberg at dkv.nl (Patrick Savelberg)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:44:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group Missmatch
Message-ID: <592BECE0-B3B0-11D8-839A-000A9569E7C4@dkv.nl>

Hi,

i'm new to the mailman ... i installed it with my macosx server 10.3.4 
...
and i put back the database from the early installation ...

When i want to sent a mail to the mailing list i get this error

<dkvall at dkv.nl>: Command died with status 2: 
"/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman
     post dkvall". Command output: Group mismatch error.  Mailman 
expected the
     mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but the 
system's
     mail server executed the mail script as group "adplus".  Try 
tweaking the
     mail server to run the script as group "mailman", or re-run 
configure,
     providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=adplus'.
Reporting-MTA: dns; xserve.dkv.nl

How to fix this problem ???

thxs ..

Greetings,

Patrick




From pasav at mac.com  Tue Jun  1 11:44:00 2004
From: pasav at mac.com (Patrick Savelberg)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:44:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group Mismatch
Message-ID: <360CE5E2-B3B0-11D8-839A-000A9569E7C4@mac.com>

Hi,

i'm new to the mailman ... i installed it with my macosx server 10.3.4 
...
and i put back the database from the early installation ...

When i want to sent a mail to the mailing list i get this error

<dkvall at dkv.nl>: Command died with status 2: 
"/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman
     post dkvall". Command output: Group mismatch error.  Mailman 
expected the
     mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but the 
system's
     mail server executed the mail script as group "adplus".  Try 
tweaking the
     mail server to run the script as group "mailman", or re-run 
configure,
     providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=adplus'.
Reporting-MTA: dns; xserve.dkv.nl

How to fix this problem ???

thxs ..

Greetings,

Patrick




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  1 16:30:49 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:30:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding a user via email
In-Reply-To: <64169CA182BE0340AF3A2C34D88087C53C3C38@fhserver.remaxclassic.detr
	oitmetrorealestate.com>
References: <64169CA182BE0340AF3A2C34D88087C53C3C38@fhserver.remaxclassic.detr
	oitmetrorealestate.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200cbce243774c19@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:37 PM -0400 2004/05/27, Albert Clawson wrote:

>  We have people who call us up and ask to be placed on our mailing list.
>  Is there a way we can send an email command to the list that will then
>  send out a confirmation request?

	Sure.  You'll have to pretend to be the person who called you up, 
but anyone can use the e-mail interface to Mailman.  See the 
documentation.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  1 16:32:11 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:32:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors running check_db
In-Reply-To: <auto-000012817072@hermes.hood.edu>
References: <auto-000012817072@hermes.hood.edu>
Message-ID: <p0600200dbce2439c54cc@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:48 AM -0400 2004/05/30, Bruce Embrey wrote:

>  When running check_db -av I get an error on some lists "[Errno 2] No such
>  file or directory: '/var/mailman/lists/listname/config.db.last'. Some of my
>  lists have a number of files in their directories and some have only two
>  (config.pck and config.pck.last). Is this a problem and what can be done to
>  correct it?

	IIRC, config.db was used by Mailman 2.0.x, while config.pck is 
used by Mailman 2.1.x.  You're not trying to mix these two versions 
on the same sets of files are you?!?

>              Also is it safe to tar up the entire mailman directory while
>  mailman and the MTAand the HTTP servers are running?

	No.  It is not.  You need to stop both of them before you start 
moving things around or using tools like tar.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Jun  1 16:46:25 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:46:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regular expressions/whitelists
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0405281308480.1382-100000@ganesh.phy.duke.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0405281308480.1382-100000@ganesh.phy.duke.edu>
Message-ID: <74FE73D8-B3DA-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

Assuming you are using MM 2.1.x

I think you may have missed this in the help descriptions  of the 
Sender Filters Privacy options fields:

<quote>
start the line with a ^ character to designate a regular  expression 
match
</quote>

I would quess you want to say:

^[^@]+@(.+\.|)duke\.edu$

in the accept_these_nonmembers field to allow postings from aliases on 
the duke.edu mail domain, or one of its sub-domains to pass unhindered.

On 28 May 2004, at 18:28, Robert G. Brown wrote:

> Dear Mailman users (and hopefully administrators and/or programmers),
>
> We have some campus lists that we'd like to leave open to members and
> everybody with addresses such as (in regexp form)
>
>   .*@.*duke\.edu
>
> but cause all postings from non-duke.edu addresses to be held for the
> moderator.  I cannot see how to do this with mailman's current privacy
> settings -- I had thought one could "whitelist" by domain at the
> administrator interface level with a suitable regular expression, but
> when I try restricting to list members and putting this into the
> "addresses of members accepted for posting..." box it doesn't work.
>
> When I try other ways, such as leaving the list open to any posters (or
> rather not restrict posting to list members) together with negated
> regular expression rules in either the "addresses always held for
> approval..." or the "Hold posts...specific regexp" boxes (the specific
> regexp patterns I've tried are various things like:
>
>   !.*@.*phy\.duke\.edu
> or
>   from: !.*@.*phy\.duke\.edu
>   from: (?!.*@.*phy\.duke\.edu)
>
> and a few others) THAT doesn't work either.  I was intending this to
> read as "headers that don't include from: 
> something at something.duke.edu".
>
> So I guess I have a  question and/or suggestion:
>
>   Is there any way to do what I'm trying to do at this level of mailman
>   (that is, without hacking scripts or inserting procmail with suitable
>   rules but rather through a regexp in one of the privacy boxes)?
>
> If not, how about:
>
>   Making the "always accepted" and "always held" list boxes accept
>   simple rexexp's e.g.  .*@.*duke.edu (to accept or hold all duke.edu
>   postings, depending on which box it is in) or at least enabling them
>   to manage SOME sort of wildcard/domain level entries.
>
> Adding the email of everybody on campus to one list or everybody in the
> universe NOT on campus to the other list are not happy alternatives.
>
> Even making the hold posts box (that already takes regexps) work with
> negated regexps would do the trick, although the holds don't really 
> take
> place because of "suspicious headers" as explained in the hold message
> to the poster.
>
> Thanks!
>
>    rgb
>
> -- 
> Robert G. Brown	                       http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/
> Duke University Dept. of Physics, Box 90305
> Durham, N.C. 27708-0305
> Phone: 1-919-660-2567  Fax: 919-660-2525     email:rgb at phy.duke.edu
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  1 16:42:03 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:42:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group Mismatch
In-Reply-To: <360CE5E2-B3B0-11D8-839A-000A9569E7C4@mac.com>
References: <360CE5E2-B3B0-11D8-839A-000A9569E7C4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200fbce2461beaac@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:44 AM +0200 2004/06/01, Patrick Savelberg wrote:

>  <dkvall at dkv.nl>: Command died with status 2: "/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman
>      post dkvall". Command output: Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the
>      mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but the system's
>      mail server executed the mail script as group "adplus".  Try tweaking the
>      mail server to run the script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
>      providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=adplus'.
>  Reporting-MTA: dns; xserve.dkv.nl

	Please check the FAQ before posting to the list.

	In particular, see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.004.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  1 16:39:00 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:39:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems...
In-Reply-To: <019001c44646$25b37730$229f5c01@TOM>
References: <019001c44646$25b37730$229f5c01@TOM>
Message-ID: <p0600200ebce2456bc14f@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:00 PM +0200 2004/05/30, Tommaso Leonardi wrote:

>  RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
>  /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

	Please check the FAQ before posting to the list.

	In particular, see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  1 16:44:08 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:44:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Server set up Doc.
In-Reply-To: <7C2B92EF-B249-11D8-912E-000393751C1E@HostAnchor.com>
References: <7C2B92EF-B249-11D8-912E-000393751C1E@HostAnchor.com>
Message-ID: <p06002010bce24662fb46@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:56 AM -0400 2004/05/30, Billy Jack Dial wrote:

>  Do you need to set up a dns entry for list.host.com?

	Yes.

>  Do you need to set up a new web site for list.host.com, or a alies.

	You need to set up at least a virtual host definition.

	Please see the documentation for more details.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  1 16:46:24 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:46:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Commands
In-Reply-To: <E1BTldh-0005es-Sg@ohio.stageserver.net>
References: <E1BTldh-0005es-Sg@ohio.stageserver.net>
Message-ID: <p06002011bce246c9137e@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:59 PM -0400 2004/05/28, Mike Phillips wrote:

>  Isn't it possible to configure MM such that a message sent to listname-
>  request at domain.com subscribes a new member? I thought it worked that
>  way, but I cannot get it to work. The Help message shows that
>  subscribe is an option. Maybe something is set wrong.

	There is definitely an e-mail interface to Mailman.  If that's 
not working for you, then you probably have a problem with your list 
configuration.

	However, we'd need a lot more information from you before we can 
give you any further advice as to what the problem might be.  Example 
e-mail messages, Mailman log data, system syslog data, 
Mailman/Python/OS versions, etc... would all need to be included.


	If you are using Mailman via a service provided by someone else 
(e.g., CPanel), then you should be getting your support from them as 
well.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From gagel at cnc.bc.ca  Tue Jun  1 17:06:48 2004
From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (Kevin W. Gagel)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 08:06:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounces
Message-ID: <40bc9b88.3bd.b84.10712@cnc.bc.ca>

What information do the developers need to add detection for unknown automated
messages?
Where do I send that information?

I am using Netwin's DMail package with their DRespond for automated messages. It
adds a header is that all Mailman needs to know about?

====================
Kevin W. Gagel
Network Administrator
(250) 561-5848 local 448
(250) 562-2131 local 448

--------------------------------------------------------------
The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca
Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email.
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From cwieland at uci.edu  Tue Jun  1 17:38:16 2004
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:38:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Corrupt subscribers file
Message-ID: <B3458312-B3E1-11D8-8F30-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>

After upgrading I have lists that now have invalid addresses, for 
example:

mb at poisson@usc.edu
Also some have ? marks at the end also causing problems
When running:

https://maillists.uci.edu/mailman/admin/soe-enewsletter/members

I get the following error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 198, in main
     show_results(mlist, doc, category, subcat, cgidata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 501, in 
show_results
     form.AddItem(membership_options(mlist, subcat, cgidata, doc, form))
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 873, in 
membership_options
     all = [_m.encode() for _m in mlist.getMembers()]
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xa0 in position 
22: ordinal not in range(128)

The list works otherwise and folks can continue to subscribe and 
unsubscribe. The only way I have found to remedy this is to remove the 
list and add it back. Does anyone have any ideas on an easier way to 
recover?

Con Wieland
Network and Academic Computing Services
UC Irvine


From mail at xnsdev.net  Tue Jun  1 17:59:13 2004
From: mail at xnsdev.net (mail)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:59:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monitoring MailMan
Message-ID: <20040601155913.M56576@xnsdev.net>


Hey everyone,

   I am looking for a way to monitor mailman so that if the service crashes or stops then it will be 
restarted.  I have been looking into watchdog but i am not sure if it will work for this.  Anyone used 
watchdog?  How does it know if the service is halted and not still running.
   I have also been thinking about using webmin.  Anyone used webmin to monitor mailman?

  Basically I am look for a good way to keep this service up and running for my users.


Thanks for the help,

Vince




From sbalboa at cica.es  Tue Jun  1 18:04:44 2004
From: sbalboa at cica.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sebasti=E1n_Balboa?=)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:04:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Spanish lenguage
Message-ID: <40BCA91C.10906@cica.es>

I have been installed mailman version 2.1.5, and work fine, but when I 
put the Spanish language in any configuration list, mailman give me a 
bug html page, or if a message include a la Spanish letter like "?", it 
give me a bug page too.
I want to know if it possible how can i solve this problem.

Well, thank you very much.

Sebastian Balboa




From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Tue Jun  1 18:18:52 2004
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:18:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monitoring MailMan
In-Reply-To: <20040601155913.M56576@xnsdev.net>
References: <20040601155913.M56576@xnsdev.net>
Message-ID: <20040601161852.GA15863@charite.de>

* mail <mail at xnsdev.net>:

>    I am looking for a way to monitor mailman so that if the service
> crashes or stops then it will be restarted. 

Use daemontools

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a)   Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de
Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin            Tel.  +49 (0)30-450 570-155
Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin    Fax.  +49 (0)30-450 570-916
IT-Zentrum Standort Campus Mitte                          AIM.  ralfpostfix



From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Tue Jun  1 18:44:38 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:44:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.3 --> 2.1.5?
Message-ID: <B1831A76DB8FF37C93953F54@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>

Hi,

How can I update 2.1.3 --> 2.1.5?

I know this question was asked last month, but I'm afraid I didn't 
understand the answer.

I'm using the source download on Solaris (presumably, if I had a package it 
would be easier, and it would include specific documentation, but I don't). 
Oh, and I did the original installation, so I know about local hacks and so 
on.

Now, one message said to check the UPDATES file. I have, but as far as I 
can see, it doesn't actually say what to do to update. It does give some 
advice about shutting down the MTA and the web site, and some other tips 
about what to do *while* upgrading, but doesn't describe the basic 
procedure.

In last month's thread, this message was posted, but I don't understand it. 
is "make install" supposed to replace "make update", or follow it, or what?


> > Is correct to use these to upgrade 2.1.1 --> 2.1.5 ?
> >
> > % cd xxx/mailman.2.1.5
> > % ./configure
> > % make update
>           ^^^^^^ -> install
>
> You should be careful about the configure options so that they are
> exactly the same as the previous install. If you keep the previous
> source tree, then look the head of config.log.

-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS




From schwendtner at neuhofen.at  Tue Jun  1 18:47:43 2004
From: schwendtner at neuhofen.at (Joachim Schwendtner)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:47:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.11 problems
Message-ID: <6733FCEC-B3EB-11D8-8C35-000A95E73E0C@neuhofen.at>

when I send a mail to the mailman-list nobody of the list gets the mail 
but the list owner gets this information every 15 minutes.

2004-06-01 18:23:02 1BVALM-0000Bq-00 Neither the system_aliases 
director nor the
address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of
|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post mailman

I installed mailman 2.0.11 with apt-get on a debian-woody / with exim. 
I did the configuration changes in exim.conf like it is described in
http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html

there is a user called exim and a group called exim on my server.

who can help me?

joachim

From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  1 18:46:47 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:46:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Corrupt subscribers file
In-Reply-To: <B3458312-B3E1-11D8-8F30-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>
References: <B3458312-B3E1-11D8-8F30-000A959AE43E@uci.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002015bce26349c179@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:38 AM -0700 2004/06/01, Con Wieland wrote:

>  The list works otherwise and folks can continue to subscribe and
>  unsubscribe. The only way I have found to remedy this is to remove
>  the list and add it back. Does anyone have any ideas on an easier
>  way to recover?

	Before you post to the list, you should check the FAQ to see if 
this is a known problem.

	In particular, see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.013.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  1 18:45:09 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:45:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounces
In-Reply-To: <40bc9b88.3bd.b84.10712@cnc.bc.ca>
References: <40bc9b88.3bd.b84.10712@cnc.bc.ca>
Message-ID: <p06002014bce2629e9960@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:06 AM -0700 2004/06/01, Kevin W. Gagel wrote:

>  What information do the developers need to add detection for 
>unknown automated
>  messages?
>  Where do I send that information?
>
>  I am using Netwin's DMail package with their DRespond for automated
>  messages. It adds a header is that all Mailman needs to know about?

	The best thing would be to get Netwin to fix their software so 
that it sends back RFC-compliant Delivery Status Notifications -- 
Mailman already knows how to deal with those.  Indeed, most 
mail-related programs on the Internet already know how to deal with 
those, so by fixing this problem they'd make themselves much more 
compatible with the entire rest of the world.

	Otherwise, you need to take the bounce message format and write 
some Python code to properly parse that, and then submit that code to 
the Mailman developers.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  1 18:50:13 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:50:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Spanish lenguage
In-Reply-To: <40BCA91C.10906@cica.es>
References: <40BCA91C.10906@cica.es>
Message-ID: <p06002016bce263d4e1ef@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:04 PM +0200 2004/06/01, Sebasti?n Balboa wrote:

>  I have been installed mailman version 2.1.5, and work fine, but when I
>  put the Spanish language in any configuration list, mailman give me a
>  bug html page, or if a message include a la Spanish letter like "?",
>  it give me a bug page too.

	I suggest you visit the Mailman Internationalization page at 
<http://www.list.org/i18n.html>, and contact the maintainer listed 
there for the Spanish translation (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya), and/or 
send a message to the Mailman Internationalization mailing list (see 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-i18n).

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  1 19:16:40 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:16:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.3 --> 2.1.5?
In-Reply-To: <B1831A76DB8FF37C93953F54@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
References: <B1831A76DB8FF37C93953F54@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <p0600201abce269e64e53@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:44 PM +0100 2004/06/01, Ian A B Eiloart wrote:

>  Now, one message said to check the UPDATES file. I have, but as far as
>  I can see, it doesn't actually say what to do to update. It does give
>  some advice about shutting down the MTA and the web site, and some other
>  tips about what to do *while* upgrading, but doesn't describe the basic
>  procedure.

	I'm confused.  The UPGRADING file says:

UPGRADING FROM PREVIOUS VERSIONS

     For the most part, upgrading Mailman is as easy as just installing the
     latest version over the existing version.  However, there are some changes
     that need to be taken care of manually.

     What you need to do depends on the version you are using and the version
     you are upgrading to.  In all cases, you should first turn off your mail
     and web access to your Mailman installation.  You're essentially upgrading
     a database, and it's usually a good idea to make sure the database cannot
     be modified in the middle of the upgrade.



	What about this is not clear?  You turn off the MTA and the web 
server, and then you follow the instructions for installing the 
software.  That's about it.

	Hopefully, you will have kept all your changes in the mm_cfg.py 
file and not in the Defaults.py file, so that they will be carried 
over after the upgrade.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  1 19:04:47 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:04:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.11 problems
In-Reply-To: <6733FCEC-B3EB-11D8-8C35-000A95E73E0C@neuhofen.at>
References: <6733FCEC-B3EB-11D8-8C35-000A95E73E0C@neuhofen.at>
Message-ID: <p06002019bce26769b90b@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:47 PM +0200 2004/06/01, Joachim Schwendtner wrote:

>  when I send a mail to the mailman-list nobody of the list gets the mail
>  but the list owner gets this information every 15 minutes.
>
>  2004-06-01 18:23:02 1BVALM-0000Bq-00 Neither the system_aliases director
>  nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of
>  |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post mailman

	This is an Exim problem, and not a problem with Mailman.  You'd 
be more likely to get useful help if you asked your question in a 
mailing list that is specific to this MTA, or to your OS.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  1 19:29:21 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:29:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.3 --> 2.1.5?
In-Reply-To: <p0600201abce269e64e53@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <B1831A76DB8FF37C93953F54@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
	<p0600201abce269e64e53@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <p0600201bbce26b3d9e94@[10.0.1.3]>

At 7:16 PM +0200 2004/06/01, Brad Knowles wrote:

>  	What about this is not clear?  You turn off the MTA and the web server,
>  and then you follow the instructions for installing the software.
>  That's about it.

	Further clarification -- a bit further down that same file, it says:

UPGRADING FROM 2.1.4 to 2.1.5

     In Mailman 2.1.5, some significant changes have been made to the file
     formats for qfiles and the pendings database.  All care has been taken to
     make sure the upgrades happen automatically and smoothly, but you should
     double check and, for the ultra-paranoid, make backups of your Mailman
     site before you upgrade.  BE SURE TO TURN OFF MAILMAN AS DESCRIBED ABOVE
     BEFORE YOU UPGRADE.

     Specifically, in MM2.1.4 every message in the queues were represented by
     two files, a .msg or .pck file containing the email message, and a .db
     file containing metadata about the message.  In MM2.1.5 this has been made
     more efficient by using only one file (with a .pck extension) for both the
     message and metadata.  This should make MM2.1.5 half as hostile to the
     file system.

     The bin/upgrade script, which is run automatically when you upgrade,
     should convert all the old style qfiles to the new style qfiles.  Note
     that this could take a long time if you have a lot of files in your qfiles
     subdirectories.  Pay particular attention to files you might have in
     qfiles/shunt; these will get upgraded too, although files in qfiles/bad
     will not.


	Actually, bin/upgrade doesn't exist.  But bin/update does.  And 
doing a "make install" will also run bin/update as well.  So, 
following the directions, "./configure; make install" should be what 
you need to do.

	Of course, you'll need to watch the options you pass to 
"configure", and replicate the ones you had previously used.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From chipster at norlug.org  Tue Jun  1 19:23:35 2004
From: chipster at norlug.org (Chip Cuccio)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:23:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Startup issues after upgrade (2.1.4 - 2.1.5)
Message-ID: <20040601172334.GA5823@raider.norlug.org>

Hi.

I upgraded my installation of MM from 2.1.4 to 2.1.5. I followed
the instructions/tips mentioned in the 'UPGRADING' file.

After I had upgraded, and attempted to start MM, I receive the
following error:

    Traceback (most recent call last):
      File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 547, in ?
        main()
      File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 340, in main
        check_privs()
      File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 287, in check_privs
        gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2]
    KeyError: 'getgrnam(): name not found'

Anyone have any tips to help my troubleshooting effort?

I am running MM on a Red Hat Linux 7.3 server with Python 2.3.3.
MM was compiled against Python 2.3.3.

Thanks.

-- 
Chip Cuccio                    |  <chipster at norlug.org>
NORLUG SysAdmin & Webmaster    |  <http://norlug.org/~chipster/>
Northfield Linux Users' Group  |  Northfield, Minnesota USA




From John at vqis.net  Tue Jun  1 19:32:28 2004
From: John at vqis.net (John S. Strock)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:32:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing "on behalf of"
In-Reply-To: <alm.20040529121915.20397@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
Message-ID: <000a01c447fe$69a012a0$800101df@Tiger1>

I'm using the same client that I've always used.  I've just moved hosting
providers.  The old hosting company had Mailman version 2.1.5 and the new
company has v2.1.1.  Is it a version thing?  Or just a configuration thing?
If it's not in Mailman, could it be the MTA?  Any ideas?

Thanks,

John
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Hochstein
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 3:19 am
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing "on behalf of"

"John S. Strock" schrieb:

> How do I remove the "On behalf of" in the 'From' field?

There *is* no "on behalf of" in the Fom:-field. You just have to use a
client that does not show it that way.

-thh


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From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Tue Jun  1 19:45:27 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:45:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.3 --> 2.1.5?
In-Reply-To: <p0600201abce269e64e53@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <B1831A76DB8FF37C93953F54@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
	<p0600201abce269e64e53@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <1B0EB9F6185DACBF5D2A5745@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>



--On Tuesday, June 1, 2004 7:16 pm +0200 Brad Knowles 
<brad.knowles at skynet.be> wrote:

> At 5:44 PM +0100 2004/06/01, Ian A B Eiloart wrote:
>
>>  Now, one message said to check the UPDATES file. I have, but as far as
>>  I can see, it doesn't actually say what to do to update. It does give
>>  some advice about shutting down the MTA and the web site, and some other
>>  tips about what to do *while* upgrading, but doesn't describe the basic
>>  procedure.
>
> 	I'm confused.  The UPGRADING file says:
>
> UPGRADING FROM PREVIOUS VERSIONS
>
>      For the most part, upgrading Mailman is as easy as just installing
> the latest version over the existing version.  However, there are some
> changes that need to be taken care of manually.
>
>   What you need to do depends on the version you are using and the
> version you are upgrading to. In all cases, you should first turn off your
> mail  and web access to your Mailman installation.  You're essentially
> upgrading  a database, and it's usually a good idea to make sure the 
database
> cannot be modified in the middle of the upgrade.
>
>
>
> 	What about this is not clear?  You turn off the MTA and the web server,
> and then you follow the instructions for installing the software.  That's
> about it.

Ah, I see, so I upgrade by reinstalling. But that isn't clear from the 
documentation, because "as easy as" doesn't mean "is achieved by". So 
there's me thinking, "OK, so its easy, but how do I do it?".

There are also some other sources of confusion:

1. The file says "BE SURE TO TURN OFF MAILMAN AS DESCRIBED ABOVE
    BEFORE YOU UPGRADE." - but that isn't described above. The closest I 
could see was a recommendation to switch off my MTA. I want to avoid that 
if the process is going to take more than a minute, so I'm hoping I can 
just switch off mailmanctl, but I'm using EXIM, and I think it will 
continue to queue messages...with the wrong queue format?

the exim config calls "/local/mailman/mail/mailman post" with each message 
addressed to a mailman list. Do I need to stop this happening during the 
upgrade? If so, then I need to take down the mailer (or make it temporarily 
reject or hold onto the messages while I do the upgrade).

2. The file refers to 
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-September/006826.html>. 
AFAICT that message is the wrong one. It doesn't relate to upgrading, and 
isn't from the person referenced, and its four years old.

3. Then, as you mention later, there is an incorrect reference to 
bin/upgrade

> Hopefully, you will have kept all your changes in the mm_cfg.py file and
> not in the Defaults.py file, so that they will be carried over after the
> upgrade.

Yes, I have.


-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Tue Jun  1 23:36:45 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:36:45 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.3 --> 2.1.5?
In-Reply-To: <1B0EB9F6185DACBF5D2A5745@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
References: <B1831A76DB8FF37C93953F54@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>	<p0600201abce269e64e53@[10.0.1.3]>
	<1B0EB9F6185DACBF5D2A5745@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <40BCF6ED.8090000@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

> 1. The file says "BE SURE TO TURN OFF MAILMAN AS DESCRIBED ABOVE
>    BEFORE YOU UPGRADE." - but that isn't described above. The closest I 
> could see was a recommendation to switch off my MTA. I want to avoid 
> that if the process is going to take more than a minute, so I'm hoping I 
> can just switch off mailmanctl, but I'm using EXIM, and I think it will 
> continue to queue messages...with the wrong queue format?

SMTP is so designed that one MTA can stop for a day or more ;-)

> the exim config calls "/local/mailman/mail/mailman post" with each 
> message addressed to a mailman list. Do I need to stop this happening 
> during the upgrade? If so, then I need to take down the mailer (or make 
> it temporarily reject or hold onto the messages while I do the upgrade).

for 2.1.3 -> 2.1.5 upgrade, you can safely stop qrunners if you
don't like to stop MTA.

Actually, upgrading is much easier than first time installation
because you don't have to re-setup mailman account, web and
MTA interfaces. I sometime forget to stop MTA/Web without problem!

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From rowan at crssa.rutgers.edu  Wed Jun  2 00:09:59 2004
From: rowan at crssa.rutgers.edu (Andy Rowan)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:09:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] detecting certain file types in attachments
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3163.1086124985.6947.mailman-users@python.org>
References: <mailman.3163.1086124985.6947.mailman-users@python.org>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040601174456.0b025808@crssa.rutgers.edu>

Hi group,

I am running mailman 2.1.2 and sendmail.  I've got amavisd plugged in as a 
milter in sendmail, so everything passing through the server is scanned for 
viruses.  My concern is that with the proliferation of variants that often 
hit us pretty hard in the few days it can take for the antivirus software 
to get updated, I want to block certain types of files from coming through 
as attachments.  But I want to allow other types.  For the ordinary mail 
being delivered to our users, we do that with a set of procmail rules.  I'd 
like to be able to do the same kind of filtering on mailman messages.

I am operating under the assumption that the content-type field isn't to be 
trusted, since the virus writer could make a bogus one of those.  My 
experiments indicate that one can fake that field to look like something 
benign, even putting a benign file name there, and if the 
content-disposition field has a different file name with a different 
extension, Eudora at least will favor the content-disposition field.  So if 
content-type says it's a pdf and has a filename ending in pdf, but 
content-disposition says the filename ends in .zip, Eudora will launch 
winzip.  I assume .exe  and .scr and so forth would work the same, but I 
haven't tested that explicitly.

So what I want to be able to do is filter based on the content-disposition 
field.  This is trivially easy to do in procmail, but in the normal mailman 
sequence, messages never see procmail.  So, can I (a) recreate this 
capability in mailman, or (b) cause mailman to invoke procmail 
somehow?  The content filtering option on the web interface seems to look 
at content-type, not content-disposition.

I'm hoping to find a way to do it one of those two ways rather than having 
to add a whole other package like mimedefang into the mix, just to keep 
things simpler.

The relevant parts of the procmail expressions look like this:

filename=".*\.(ad[ep]|ba[st]|chm|cmd|com|cpl|crt|dll|dot|eml|exe|hlp|hta|in[fs]|isp|jse?|lnk|md[aetwz]|ms[cipt]|ocx|ops|pcd|pif|prf|pot|reg|sc[frt]|sh[bs]|sys|vb[es]?|ws[cfh]|xl[abdmtv]|\{[-0-9a-f]+\}.*)"

filename=".*\.(ace|ar[cj]|bh|bz(ip)?2|cab|t?gz|lha|lzh|[jrt]ar|uue|xxe|zip|zoo|z)"

Any thoughts?

Thanks.

-Andy




From SpeedyGonzalis at softhome.net  Wed Jun  2 00:41:57 2004
From: SpeedyGonzalis at softhome.net (Speedy Gonzalis)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:41:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with AOL rejects
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040601182020.06471508@pop3.direcway.com>

I am the site admin for a server running Mailman v 2.1.5 on a Linux 
box.  We have about 600 lists running and site wide out of the over 40,000 
subscribers we have several thousand AOL subscribers.

As you probably know, AOL (in it's infinite wisdom) has given it's users 
the ability to black list anyone they want.  Unfortunately, when they do 
and a black listed individual posts to a list that is set for replies to go 
to the list, the resulting bounce (example below) is unrecognized by 
Mailman.

What I'm hoping for is that someone has written, or I can (with assistance) 
write something that will recognize these rejects and track them against 
the offending AOL member just as any other hard bounce.

Any help would be appreciated.

Tim


Note that in the example below, xxxxx at yahoo.com is the blacklisted 
individual and ke1yxx at aol.com is the person rejecting the message.

------ Uncaught Bounce Example --------------

Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they 
are not accepting mail from xxxxx at yahoo.com:
         ke1yxx

-----------------------------------------------




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  1 23:28:16 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:28:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Startup issues after upgrade (2.1.4 -
 2.1.5)
In-Reply-To: <20040601172334.GA5823@raider.norlug.org>
References: <20040601172334.GA5823@raider.norlug.org>
Message-ID: <p0600201dbce2a400ec74@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:23 PM -0500 2004/06/01, Chip Cuccio wrote:

>          gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2]
>      KeyError: 'getgrnam(): name not found'
>
>  Anyone have any tips to help my troubleshooting effort?
>
>  I am running MM on a Red Hat Linux 7.3 server with Python 2.3.3.
>  MM was compiled against Python 2.3.3.

	Redhat is b0rken.

	If you had searched the archives of the mailing list, you would 
have quickly found 
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-June/029911.html>.

	If you had searched the Redhat buglists, you would have quickly 
found 
<http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/long_list.cgi?buglist=88083> and 
<http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/long_list.cgi?buglist=89695>, 
both of which reference 
<http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2003-179.html>.


	You can either apply the updated RPMs (which appear to be based 
on version 2.1.1), or you can install Mailman from the source code, 
according to the instructions provided.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  1 23:31:14 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:31:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.3 --> 2.1.5?
In-Reply-To: <1B0EB9F6185DACBF5D2A5745@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
References: <B1831A76DB8FF37C93953F54@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
	<p0600201abce269e64e53@[10.0.1.3]>
	<1B0EB9F6185DACBF5D2A5745@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <p0600201ebce2a5aa5020@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:45 PM +0100 2004/06/01, Ian A B Eiloart wrote:

>  Ah, I see, so I upgrade by reinstalling. But that isn't clear from the
>  documentation, because "as easy as" doesn't mean "is achieved by". So
>  there's me thinking, "OK, so its easy, but how do I do it?".

	Fair enough.  We'll have to ask Barry to update the documentation 
to be more precise.

>  1. The file says "BE SURE TO TURN OFF MAILMAN AS DESCRIBED ABOVE
>     BEFORE YOU UPGRADE." - but that isn't described above. The closest I
>  could see was a recommendation to switch off my MTA. I want to avoid that
>  if the process is going to take more than a minute, so I'm hoping I can
>  just switch off mailmanctl, but I'm using EXIM, and I think it will
>  continue to queue messages...with the wrong queue format?

	You can't really just turn off Mailman itself.  You have to turn 
off the MTA and the webserver.

>  2. The file refers to
>  <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-September/006826.html>.
>  AFAICT that message is the wrong one. It doesn't relate to upgrading, and
>  isn't from the person referenced, and its four years old.

	Documentation bug.  Barry?


	Was there anything else?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  1 23:32:53 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:32:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing "on behalf of"
In-Reply-To: <000a01c447fe$69a012a0$800101df@Tiger1>
References: <000a01c447fe$69a012a0$800101df@Tiger1>
Message-ID: <p0600201fbce2a62f6f82@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:32 AM -0700 2004/06/01, John S. Strock wrote:

>  I'm using the same client that I've always used.  I've just moved hosting
>  providers.  The old hosting company had Mailman version 2.1.5 and the new
>  company has v2.1.1.  Is it a version thing?  Or just a configuration thing?
>  If it's not in Mailman, could it be the MTA?  Any ideas?

	This is something that is either done by the mail client (MUA), 
or by a mail server (MTA) somewhere in transit.  Since Mailman 
doesn't put this header on the message itself, I have to assume that 
you are the victim of some typically badly misconfigured Microsoft 
software somewhere along the line -- probably the fault of your 
hosting company.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From John at vqis.net  Wed Jun  2 00:50:28 2004
From: John at vqis.net (John S. Strock)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:50:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing "on behalf of"
In-Reply-To: <p0600201fbce2a62f6f82@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <000e01c4482a$d6b2b9c0$800101df@Tiger1>

As I mentioned in my last post, nothing on my client computer has changed.
The only thing that has changed is my hosting service.  And my hosted server
is on a linux box, both at the new and old host.

This is why I'm thinking it's something in the MTA...any ideas?

John

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Brad Knowles
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:33 pm
To: John S. Strock
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Removing "on behalf of"

At 10:32 AM -0700 2004/06/01, John S. Strock wrote:

>  I'm using the same client that I've always used.  I've just moved hosting
>  providers.  The old hosting company had Mailman version 2.1.5 and the new
>  company has v2.1.1.  Is it a version thing?  Or just a configuration
thing?
>  If it's not in Mailman, could it be the MTA?  Any ideas?

	This is something that is either done by the mail client (MUA), 
or by a mail server (MTA) somewhere in transit.  Since Mailman 
doesn't put this header on the message itself, I have to assume that 
you are the victim of some typically badly misconfigured Microsoft 
software somewhere along the line -- probably the fault of your 
hosting company.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.

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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun  2 00:50:42 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 00:50:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] detecting certain file types in
 attachments
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040601174456.0b025808@crssa.rutgers.edu>
References: <mailman.3163.1086124985.6947.mailman-users@python.org>
	<6.1.0.6.0.20040601174456.0b025808@crssa.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002024bce2b89ec178@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:09 PM -0400 2004/06/01, Andy Rowan wrote:

>  So what I want to be able to do is filter based on the
>  content-disposition field.  This is trivially easy to do in procmail,
>  but in the normal mailman sequence, messages never see procmail.  So,
>  can I (a) recreate this capability in mailman, or (b) cause mailman to
>  invoke procmail somehow?  The content filtering option on the web
>  interface seems to look at content-type, not content-disposition.

	See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.015.htp> 
for one option.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From python.org at paulm.com  Wed Jun  2 00:59:16 2004
From: python.org at paulm.com (Paul Makepeace)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:59:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TypeError via config_list
In-Reply-To: <20040523220004.GK29101@mythix.realprogrammers.com>
References: <20040523220004.GK29101@mythix.realprogrammers.com>
Message-ID: <20040601225916.GJ22954@mythix.realprogrammers.com>

With a suggestion from Jim Tittsler I extracted the list members with
list_members and then rmlist / newlist to blow away and re-create the
list from scratch. Brutal, but effective.

Jim's fallback suggestion was,

> If so, you can always use withlist to open the list and save the
> m.members dictionary.

which wasn't necessary thankfully; the list_members worked.


Paul


Je 2004-05-23 23:00:04 +0100, Paul Makepeace skribis:
> Hi,
> 
> Attempting to edit a list I haven't looked at in a while generated
> errors on the /mailman/admin form. I then tried to peel open the
> config but config_list failed:
> 
>   # config_list -o /tmp/events events
>   Traceback (most recent call last):
>     File "/usr/sbin/config_list", line 348, in ?
>       main()
>     File "/usr/sbin/config_list", line 341, in main
>       do_output(listname, outfile)
>     File "/usr/sbin/config_list", line 117, in do_output
>       do_list_categories(mlist, k, None, outfp)
>     File "/usr/sbin/config_list", line 127, in do_list_categories
>       info = mlist.GetConfigInfo(k, subcat)
>     File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 428, in GetConfigInfo
>       value = gui.GetConfigInfo(self, category, subcat)
>     File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/General.py", line 53, in GetConfigInfo
>       optvals = [mlist.new_member_options & bitfields[o] for o in OPTIONS]
>   TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for &: 'list' and 'int'
>   #
> 
> I've seen this on Google but nothing with a result.
> 
> This is mailman 2.1.4-4 Debian/testing. The list was created Oct/03.
> What can I do to recover the list? Even just pulling out a list of
> members would be enough.
> 
> Thanks, Paul
> 
> -- 
> Paul Makepeace ................................  http://paulm.com/ecademy
> 
> "If you are not on top, then sharks would get some barbecue."
>    -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/

-- 
Paul Makepeace ................................  http://paulm.com/ecademy

"If I was thin, then you'll fry in hot oil."
   -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun  2 00:56:45 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 00:56:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with AOL rejects
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040601182020.06471508@pop3.direcway.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040601182020.06471508@pop3.direcway.com>
Message-ID: <p06002025bce2b94eead3@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:41 PM -0400 2004/06/01, Speedy Gonzalis wrote:

>  As you probably know, AOL (in it's infinite wisdom) has given it's users
>  the ability to black list anyone they want.

	Yup.

>                                               Unfortunately, when they do
>  and a black listed individual posts to a list that is set for replies to
>  go to the list, the resulting bounce (example below) is unrecognized by
>  Mailman.

	Sadly, this is true.  AOL wrote their own custom MTA (against my 
vehement objections), and they generate their own bounces in their 
own format.  There's not much we can do about that except deal with 
it.

>  What I'm hoping for is that someone has written, or I can (with
>  assistance) write something that will recognize these rejects and track
>  them against the offending AOL member just as any other hard bounce.

	I don't think that's going to be very likely.  The problem is the 
lack of information provided in the bounce.  You can tell that you've 
got a bounce, but that's about it.  If you go to full personalization 
with VERP, you've got a better shot of figuring out which user 
actually resulted in the bounce and then unsubscribing them (or 
whatever), but that's about the best you can hope for.

	That is, unless you can show us additional information that you 
usually see in your bounces that could be put to use?


	If you need further help, Carl Hutzler <cdhutzler at aol.com> is the 
guy to talk to.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun  2 01:09:44 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:09:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing "on behalf of"
In-Reply-To: <000e01c4482a$d6b2b9c0$800101df@Tiger1>
References: <000e01c4482a$d6b2b9c0$800101df@Tiger1>
Message-ID: <p06002026bce2bcabb478@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:50 PM -0700 2004/06/01, John S. Strock wrote:

>  As I mentioned in my last post, nothing on my client computer has changed.
>  The only thing that has changed is my hosting service.  And my hosted server
>  is on a linux box, both at the new and old host.
>
>  This is why I'm thinking it's something in the MTA...any ideas?

	This sort of thing can only be added by a mail server or mail 
client somewhere along the way.  If your client hasn't changed, 
that's unlikely to be the source of the problem.  If your MTA is not 
on the hosted server, then that would be the likely place for a 
change like this -- talk to your mail provider and see what changes 
they may have made recently.

	If your MTA is on the hosted server, then since the hosted server 
has recently changed, that's the obvious difference.


	Anyway you slice it, this is not a header that any version of 
Mailman has ever created, so the source of the problem has to be 
somewhere else.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun  2 01:34:37 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:34:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing "on behalf of"
In-Reply-To: <000e01c4482a$d6b2b9c0$800101df@Tiger1>
References: <000e01c4482a$d6b2b9c0$800101df@Tiger1>
Message-ID: <p06002029bce2c2680cce@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:50 PM -0700 2004/06/01, John S. Strock wrote:

>  As I mentioned in my last post, nothing on my client computer has changed.
>  The only thing that has changed is my hosting service.  And my hosted server
>  is on a linux box, both at the new and old host.
>
>  This is why I'm thinking it's something in the MTA...any ideas?

	Looking at an older message from you (Message-ID: 
<000701c420f2$3ad02330$6400a8c0 at Tiger1>, dated Mon, 12 Apr 2004 
17:57:00 -0700), I see the following headers which might be of 
interest:

		X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626
		Importance: Normal
		X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165

	Looking at the message I am replying to (Message-ID: 
<000e01c4482a$d6b2b9c0$800101df at Tiger1>, dated Tue, 1 Jun 2004 
15:50:28 -0700), I see:

		X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626
		Importance: Normal
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	While your version of Outlook doesn't appear to have changed in 
the time between these two messages, the MimeOLE version does appear 
to have changed.  I'm just guessing, but perhaps this might be the 
cause of the problems?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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From emcdonald at pdc.org  Wed Jun  2 01:38:31 2004
From: emcdonald at pdc.org (Eric McDonald)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:38:31 -1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with news2email gateway after upgrading
	from 2.1.2 to 2.1.5
Message-ID: <B243F5FFA629DB4DADF6010AEC5804208E7BF8@mango.maui.pdc.org>

Hi Guys:

I'm getting the following errors in my log after upgrading to mailman 2.1.5 from 2.1.2

I need this news to email gateway functionality as we are the de facto proxy for users on the soc.org.nonprofit list.

Please advise ASAP on how I can get the list server linked back up to my news server.

Thanks,

Eric

Jun 01 14:50:12 2004 gate_news(27744): Traceback (most recent call last):
Jun 01 14:50:12 2004 gate_news(27744):   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 284, in ?
Jun 01 14:50:12 2004 gate_news(27744):      main()
Jun 01 14:50:12 2004 gate_news(27744):   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 264, in main
Jun 01 14:50:12 2004 gate_news(27744):      process_lists(lock)
Jun 01 14:50:12 2004 gate_news(27744):   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 208, in process_lists
Jun 01 14:50:12 2004 gate_news(27744):      conn, first, last = open_newsgroup(mlist)
Jun 01 14:50:12 2004 gate_news(27744):   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 94, in open_newsgroup
Jun 01 14:50:12 2004 gate_news(27744):      nntp_host, nntp_port = Utils.nntpsplit(mlist.nntp_host)
Jun 01 14:50:12 2004 gate_news(27744): AttributeError :  'module' object has no attribute 'nntpsplit' 
Jun 01 16:33:04 2004 (6937) Uncaught runner exception: 'str' object has no attribute 'get_sender'
Jun 01 16:33:05 2004 (6937) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 159, in _onefile
    sender = msg.get_sender()
AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'get_sender'

Jun 01 16:33:05 2004 (6937) SHUNTING: 1086127558.5522461+433e09262469428e6a5b0db171f88cc065c4a323
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun  2 01:52:09 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:52:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with news2email gateway
	after upgrading 	from 2.1.2 to 2.1.5
In-Reply-To: <B243F5FFA629DB4DADF6010AEC5804208E7BF8@mango.maui.pdc.org>
References: <B243F5FFA629DB4DADF6010AEC5804208E7BF8@mango.maui.pdc.org>
Message-ID: <p0600202bbce2c67d01a5@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:38 PM -1000 2004/06/01, Eric McDonald wrote:

>  Jun 01 14:50:12 2004 gate_news(27744): Traceback (most recent call last):
>  Jun 01 14:50:12 2004 gate_news(27744):   File 
>"/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 284, in ?

	Mailman 2.1.x doesn't use cron anymore.  The fact that "cron" 
appears in this URL would seem to be an indicator that you are 
upgrading from version 2.0.x to 2.1.5, not 2.1.2 to 2.1.5.  Is that 
correct?

>  Jun 01 14:50:12 2004 gate_news(27744): AttributeError :  'module' 
>object has no attribute 'nntpsplit'
>  Jun 01 16:33:04 2004 (6937) Uncaught runner exception: 'str' object 
>has no attribute 'get_sender'
>  Jun 01 16:33:05 2004 (6937) Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop
>      self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 159, in _onefile
>      sender = msg.get_sender()
>  AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'get_sender'

	You don't tell us anything about the OS you're using, what 
version of Python  you have, etc....  However, I would ask if you've 
seen the FAQ entry at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.008.htp>?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From emcdonald at pdc.org  Wed Jun  2 02:02:24 2004
From: emcdonald at pdc.org (Eric McDonald)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:02:24 -1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with news2email gateway after upgrading
	from 2.1.2 to 2.1.5
Message-ID: <B243F5FFA629DB4DADF6010AEC5804208E7BF9@mango.maui.pdc.org>

Hi:

Thanks for getting back to me.  Python 2.3 on Solaris 2.6  It was working fine with version 2.1.2?  Which I just upgraded from?

Yes, I do have an entry in my crontab file for this:

# crontab -l mailman
# At 8AM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests.
# They are less likely to ignore these reminders if they're mailed
# early in the morning, but of course, this is local time... ;)
0 8 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs
#
# At 9AM, send notifications to disabled members that are due to be
# reminded to re-enable their accounts.
0 9 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/disabled
#
# Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold delivery.
0 12 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests
#
# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
#
# Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
# if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
# or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news
#
# At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
# turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
# GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
27 3 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
# Remove any camp held message more than three days old
0 0 * * * /usr/local/mailman/bin/removecampheld.sh
0 1 * * * /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s stop
1 1 * * * /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start

_None_ of these entries are needed anymore?  Including sending out passwords and digests?

Thanks,

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Knowles [mailto:brad.knowles at skynet.be]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:52 PM
To: Eric McDonald
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with news2email gateway after
upgrading from 2.1.2 to 2.1.5


At 1:38 PM -1000 2004/06/01, Eric McDonald wrote:

>  Jun 01 14:50:12 2004 gate_news(27744): Traceback (most recent call last):
>  Jun 01 14:50:12 2004 gate_news(27744):   File 
>"/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 284, in ?

	Mailman 2.1.x doesn't use cron anymore.  The fact that "cron" 
appears in this URL would seem to be an indicator that you are 
upgrading from version 2.0.x to 2.1.5, not 2.1.2 to 2.1.5.  Is that 
correct?

>  Jun 01 14:50:12 2004 gate_news(27744): AttributeError :  'module' 
>object has no attribute 'nntpsplit'
>  Jun 01 16:33:04 2004 (6937) Uncaught runner exception: 'str' object 
>has no attribute 'get_sender'
>  Jun 01 16:33:05 2004 (6937) Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop
>      self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 159, in _onefile
>      sender = msg.get_sender()
>  AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'get_sender'

	You don't tell us anything about the OS you're using, what 
version of Python  you have, etc....  However, I would ask if you've 
seen the FAQ entry at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.008.htp>?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Jun  2 02:14:19 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:14:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with news2email gateway after upgrading
	from 2.1.2 to 2.1.5
In-Reply-To: <p0600202bbce2c67d01a5@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <B243F5FFA629DB4DADF6010AEC5804208E7BF8@mango.maui.pdc.org>
	<p0600202bbce2c67d01a5@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <20040602001419.GB4745@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Brad Knowles wrote:
> Mailman 2.1.x doesn't use cron anymore.  The fact that "cron"
> appears in this URL would seem to be an indicator that you are
> upgrading from version 2.0.x to 2.1.5, not 2.1.2 to 2.1.5.  Is that
> correct?

The qrunners aren't called via cron anymore, but there are still other
functions that Mailman 2.1+ uses cron for.  From the INSTALL file for
2.1.5:

    - Set up the crontab entries.  Mailman runs a number of cron jobs
      for its basic functionality.  Note that if you're upgrading from
      a previous version of Mailman, you'll want to install the new
      crontab, but be careful if you're running multiple Mailman
      installations on your site!  Changing the crontab could mess
      with other parallel Mailman installations.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
To err is human; to blame it on somebody else is even more human.
    -- John Nadeau

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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun  2 02:45:58 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:45:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with news2email gateway
	after upgrading 	from 2.1.2 to 2.1.5
In-Reply-To: <20040602001419.GB4745@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
References: <B243F5FFA629DB4DADF6010AEC5804208E7BF8@mango.maui.pdc.org>
	<p0600202bbce2c67d01a5@[10.0.1.3]>
	<20040602001419.GB4745@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <p0600202cbce2d3510377@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:14 PM -0400 2004/06/01, Todd wrote:

>  The qrunners aren't called via cron anymore, but there are still other
>  functions that Mailman 2.1+ uses cron for.  From the INSTALL file for
>  2.1.5:

	Sorry, I completely spaced out.  I don't know what I was smoking 
at the time I said that -- I remember full well needing to set up the 
news gateway cron jobs when we set up our first gateway.

	Beats the hell out of me why I didn't remember that....

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Jun  2 03:02:30 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:02:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with news2email gateway after upgrading
	from 2.1.2 to 2.1.5
In-Reply-To: <p0600202cbce2d3510377@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <B243F5FFA629DB4DADF6010AEC5804208E7BF8@mango.maui.pdc.org>
	<p0600202bbce2c67d01a5@[10.0.1.3]>
	<20040602001419.GB4745@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
	<p0600202cbce2d3510377@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <20040602010230.GC4745@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 8:14 PM -0400 2004/06/01, Todd wrote:
>>
>> The qrunners aren't called via cron anymore, but there are still other
>> functions that Mailman 2.1+ uses cron for.  From the INSTALL file for
>> 2.1.5:
>
> 	Sorry, I completely spaced out.  I don't know what I was smoking 
> at the time I said that

Hehe, I won't ask -- I'll just drool jealously.

> 	Beats the hell out of me why I didn't remember that....

Perhaps 'cause you're busy answering tons of questions here and being
an all around helpful fellow?  :)

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
    -- Alfred Adler

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From emcdonald at pdc.org  Wed Jun  2 03:14:23 2004
From: emcdonald at pdc.org (Eric McDonald)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:14:23 -1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with news2email gateway after
	upgradingfrom 2.1.2 to 2.1.5
Message-ID: <B243F5FFA629DB4DADF6010AEC5804206F4482@mango.maui.pdc.org>

OKAY--

So thanks for pointing me at the FAQ.  I looked at the crontab.in file in <sourcetree>/cron and I find the following entry in there:

0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news

Funny thing is, it started working all by itself.  No more errors?  Just how I like it.

Thanks!

Eric



-----Original Message-----
From: Todd [mailto:Freedom_Lover at pobox.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:02 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with news2email gateway after
upgradingfrom 2.1.2 to 2.1.5


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 8:14 PM -0400 2004/06/01, Todd wrote:
>>
>> The qrunners aren't called via cron anymore, but there are still other
>> functions that Mailman 2.1+ uses cron for.  From the INSTALL file for
>> 2.1.5:
>
> 	Sorry, I completely spaced out.  I don't know what I was smoking 
> at the time I said that

Hehe, I won't ask -- I'll just drool jealously.

> 	Beats the hell out of me why I didn't remember that....

Perhaps 'cause you're busy answering tons of questions here and being
an all around helpful fellow?  :)

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
    -- Alfred Adler

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From jwt at onjapan.net  Wed Jun  2 06:40:30 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:40:30 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.11 problems
In-Reply-To: <6733FCEC-B3EB-11D8-8C35-000A95E73E0C@neuhofen.at>
References: <6733FCEC-B3EB-11D8-8C35-000A95E73E0C@neuhofen.at>
Message-ID: <FA243B14-B44E-11D8-8440-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Jun 2, 2004, at 01:47, Joachim Schwendtner wrote:

> 2004-06-01 18:23:02 1BVALM-0000Bq-00 Neither the system_aliases 
> director nor the
> address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of
> |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post mailman
>
> I installed mailman 2.0.11 with apt-get on a debian-woody / with exim. 
> I did the configuration changes in exim.conf like it is described in
> http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html

If you use the technique described on that page (or the README.EXIM 
file), you don't need to add the aliases for each list to Exim's system 
alias file.  The lists are discovered based on the existence of the 
list configuration files, and *those* directors use pipe routers that 
correctly specify the user and group for the delivery.  The error 
message suggests you added mailing list aliases to your system alias 
file.  Try removing them.

If for some reason you want to use manually maintained alias lists, 
create a director similar to the Exim system_alias director 
(referencing a different alias file), and set the correct user/group on 
it.  (But the automatic list discovery method is less error prone and 
has a negligible performance impact.)


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From karl at sfdata.net  Wed Jun  2 07:03:47 2004
From: karl at sfdata.net (Karl R. Balsmeier)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:03:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Blocking Squirrelmail: Bad headers?
Message-ID: <9630.216.175.80.132.1086152627.squirrel@eugenia.sfdata.net>

I'm using Mailman 2.1.2 on obsd.

I've seen a few threads that match my current situation:

I am unable to get mails from squirrelmail-based https sessions to get to
the lists I have curently working properly for all other methods of
posting/replying.  Joining works, but posting does not.

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-June/020336.html

Anyone else out there seen the same problem and rendered a fix?

-- 
Karl R. Balsmeier





From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Wed Jun  2 11:41:36 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:41:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with AOL rejects
In-Reply-To: <p06002025bce2b94eead3@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040601182020.06471508@pop3.direcway.com>
	<p06002025bce2b94eead3@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <9266BDAF1A1C1BD273C7225A@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>



--On Wednesday, June 2, 2004 12:56 am +0200 Brad Knowles 
<brad.knowles at skynet.be> wrote:

>
> 	If you need further help, Carl Hutzler <cdhutzler at aol.com> is the guy to
> talk to.

Is he the guy responsible for the fact that AOL bounce spam addressed to 
unknown recipients, rather than rejecting it. Cos that really gets on my 
nerves.

-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS




From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Wed Jun  2 13:43:29 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:43:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.3 --> 2.1.5?
In-Reply-To: <40BCF6ED.8090000@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
References: <B1831A76DB8FF37C93953F54@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
	<p0600201abce269e64e53@[10.0.1.3]>
	<1B0EB9F6185DACBF5D2A5745@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
	<40BCF6ED.8090000@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <9BDDB4F722E8873B9B701A15@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>



--On Wednesday, June 2, 2004 6:36 am +0900 Tokio Kikuchi 
<tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>> 1. The file says "BE SURE TO TURN OFF MAILMAN AS DESCRIBED ABOVE
>>    BEFORE YOU UPGRADE." - but that isn't described above. The closest I
>> could see was a recommendation to switch off my MTA. I want to avoid
>> that if the process is going to take more than a minute, so I'm hoping I
>> can just switch off mailmanctl, but I'm using EXIM, and I think it will
>> continue to queue messages...with the wrong queue format?
>
> SMTP is so designed that one MTA can stop for a day or more ;-)

True, but my users aren't designed to allow that. I have 15,000 people that 
rely on that MTA to do their work all day. If I switch off the MTA for five 
minutes, some will complain.

The upgrade notes say that the upgrade "could take a long time if you have 
a lot of files in your qfiles subdirectories", but doesn't quantify that at 
all. What is a long time? What constitutes a lot of files? An example would 
be helpful, but actually I don't have a lot of messages at the moment.



>> the exim config calls "/local/mailman/mail/mailman post" with each
>> message addressed to a mailman list. Do I need to stop this happening
>> during the upgrade? If so, then I need to take down the mailer (or make
>> it temporarily reject or hold onto the messages while I do the upgrade).
>
> for 2.1.3 -> 2.1.5 upgrade, you can safely stop qrunners if you
> don't like to stop MTA.

So, the fact that messages will be queued in the old format during the 
upgrade doesn't matter? Or, are they not queued in the old format?

> Actually, upgrading is much easier than first time installation
> because you don't have to re-setup mailman account, web and
> MTA interfaces. I sometime forget to stop MTA/Web without problem!



-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun  2 13:40:15 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:40:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with AOL rejects
In-Reply-To: <9266BDAF1A1C1BD273C7225A@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040601182020.06471508@pop3.direcway.com>
	<p06002025bce2b94eead3@[10.0.1.3]>
	<9266BDAF1A1C1BD273C7225A@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <p0600202dbce36c19a6de@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:41 AM +0100 2004/06/02, Ian A B Eiloart wrote:

>>  	If you need further help, Carl Hutzler <cdhutzler at aol.com> is the guy to
>>  talk to.
>
>  Is he the guy responsible for the fact that AOL bounce spam addressed
>  to unknown recipients, rather than rejecting it. Cos that really gets
>  on my nerves.

	Carl is the guy in charge of the AOL Anti-Spam Task Force (or 
whatever they're calling it these days).  I only worked at AOL for a 
couple of years, and left long before Carl came along, but I'm told 
that he's a nice guy and is honestly doing everything he can to help.

	The person responsible for the AOL mail system accepting messages 
for non-existant recipients and then bouncing those messages would be 
someone else.  I know who, but I won't mention any names.

	Given what I know of the AOL mail system design, I don't think 
this is ever going to change, but if enough people complain and get 
them listed in various blacklists for general stupidity and ignorance 
of the way e-mail is supposed to work (e.g., rfc-ignorant.org), who 
knows?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun  2 13:44:40 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:44:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Blocking Squirrelmail: Bad
 headers?
In-Reply-To: <9630.216.175.80.132.1086152627.squirrel@eugenia.sfdata.net>
References: <9630.216.175.80.132.1086152627.squirrel@eugenia.sfdata.net>
Message-ID: <p0600202ebce36d26e5ff@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:03 PM -0700 2004/06/01, Karl R. Balsmeier wrote:

>  I'm using Mailman 2.1.2 on obsd.
>
>  I've seen a few threads that match my current situation:
>
>  I am unable to get mails from squirrelmail-based https sessions to get to
>  the lists I have curently working properly for all other methods of
>  posting/replying.  Joining works, but posting does not.

	Are you using the same account for posting this message?  Looking 
through the headers of this message, I don't see anything obviously 
bad:

Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.python.org)
	by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34)
	id 1BVNus-0005hW-Bx; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 01:03:54 -0400
Received: from 209-128-81-025.bayarea.net ([209.128.81.25]
	helo=mail.sfdata.net) by mail.python.org with smtp (Exim 4.34)
	id 1BVNun-0005ct-GR
	for mailman-users at python.org; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 01:03:50 -0400
Received: (qmail 3007 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 05:03:47 -0000
Received: from localhost (HELO eugenia.sfdata.net) (127.0.0.1)
	by localhost with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 05:03:47 -0000
Received: from 216.175.80.132 (SquirrelMail authenticated user karl at sfdata.net)
	by eugenia.sfdata.net with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:03:47 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <9630.216.175.80.132.1086152627.squirrel at eugenia.sfdata.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:03:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Karl R. Balsmeier" <karl at sfdata.net>
To: mailman-users at python.org
User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2-1.qvcs.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Priority: 3
Importance: Normal
X-Spam-Status: OK (lists-mailman 0.000)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Blocking Squirrelmail: Bad headers?
X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
Reply-To: karl at sfdata.net
List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users>
List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
Sender: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
Errors-To: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
X-UIDL: 4590d50273837a949a03ad3b00e1427a

>  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-June/020336.html
>
>  Anyone else out there seen the same problem and rendered a fix?

	This is the first I've heard of this problem.  It sounds to me 
like SquirrelMail may sometimes put some strange headers on your 
outgoing mail, and there would be two ways to fix that -- either 
configure the remote Mailman not to filter on those headers, or 
configure the local SquirrelMail server not to put them on there in 
the first place.

	Alternatively, this could be a body content filtering issue, but 
the solutions are basically the same.  If we can see some samples of 
what is getting rejected and compare that to what should be accepted, 
we might be able to figure out how to get from point A to point B.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Wed Jun  2 14:41:24 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:41:24 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.3 --> 2.1.5?
In-Reply-To: <9BDDB4F722E8873B9B701A15@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
References: <B1831A76DB8FF37C93953F54@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>	<p0600201abce269e64e53@[10.0.1.3]>	<1B0EB9F6185DACBF5D2A5745@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>	<40BCF6ED.8090000@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
	<9BDDB4F722E8873B9B701A15@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <40BDCAF4.60605@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

>> for 2.1.3 -> 2.1.5 upgrade, you can safely stop qrunners if you
>> don't like to stop MTA.
> 
> 
> So, the fact that messages will be queued in the old format during the 
> upgrade doesn't matter? Or, are they not queued in the old format?

My bet is that bin/update program which is executed at the end of
upgrading process performs the format conversion.


-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun  2 14:45:43 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:45:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Blocking Squirrelmail: Bad
 headers?
In-Reply-To: <9630.216.175.80.132.1086152627.squirrel@eugenia.sfdata.net>
References: <9630.216.175.80.132.1086152627.squirrel@eugenia.sfdata.net>
Message-ID: <p06002033bce37c09633c@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:03 PM -0700 2004/06/01, Karl R. Balsmeier wrote:

>  I am unable to get mails from squirrelmail-based https sessions to get to
>  the lists I have curently working properly for all other methods of
>  posting/replying.  Joining works, but posting does not.

	Doing a bit of Googling on an unrelated topic, I stumbled across 
the page at <http://www.postel.org/mail-faq.html#suspicious>.  This 
would seem to be a good explanation of the problem.

	Now, we just need to figure out what SquirrelMail is doing that 
is tripping up the Mailman configurations you're running into.  The 
problem there is that we'd need to know the anti-spam and content 
filtering polices of those lists, which is likely to be much more 
difficult to discover.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From e.gropp at comcast.net  Wed Jun  2 05:19:24 2004
From: e.gropp at comcast.net (Eric Gropp)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:19:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change user
Message-ID: <000801c44850$695f3fd0$980b0a09@diddle.org>

Can I change the user that runs mailman? After installing mailman and Apache (and successfully running it for  a few months), I have discovered that nobody is not a suitable user for this (PHP-Nuke isn't happy).
Can anyone offer any suggestions short of reinstalling and migrating the existing list?
Thank you in advance.


From richsall at richnmary.com  Wed Jun  2 13:37:17 2004
From: richsall at richnmary.com (Rich Sallade)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 07:37:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list archives
Message-ID: <E1BVU3Z-0002rK-Mq@unix3.webhostingace.com>

Hello everyone,
I want to know how I can delete the old messages in my archives.
Thanks
Rich S.
-- 




From ben at spiritguardian.com  Wed Jun  2 16:39:42 2004
From: ben at spiritguardian.com (Ben M. Swihart)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:39:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMS mailing list
Message-ID: <001b01c448af$767dd050$6600a8c0@libertatium>

Hello,

I am trying to create a mailman list that is delivered via SMS to
phones.

First problem is... I don't seem to be able to set the list to not
require confirmation for subscription.  This is a closed, internally
managed list that is not open to the public.  Confirmations are not
needed.  How do I disable required confirmation?

Secondly, each message is sent with a bounce-mylist at mydomain.com from:
field.  I need to turn this off because it's simply being shoved into
the "body" of the SMS message.  I'm not exactly sure why the SMS
gateways are moving the from field into the body - but I suspect it's
because there are duplicate From: headers is some way shape or fashion,
as a matter of e-mail courtesy to other servers.  Where can I fiddle
with the from:fields values/options?

Thanks!

 Ben Swihart
 Spirit Guardian Design and Development
 http://www.spiritguardian.com
 423-276-5355




From jwt at OnJapan.net  Wed Jun  2 17:06:48 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:06:48 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMS mailing list
In-Reply-To: <001b01c448af$767dd050$6600a8c0@libertatium>
References: <001b01c448af$767dd050$6600a8c0@libertatium>
Message-ID: <20040602150648.GB15406@server.onjapan.net>

On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 10:39:42AM -0400, Ben M. Swihart wrote:
> First problem is... I don't seem to be able to set the list to not
> require confirmation for subscription.  This is a closed, internally
> managed list that is not open to the public.  Confirmations are not
> needed.  How do I disable required confirmation?

If you set
ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = Yes
in your mm_cfg.py, lists will have the option of not requiring
confirmation.

But if it is "internally managed," the mailing list administrator
could just use the Membership Management interface to subscribe
(and unsubscribe) members... which is less subject to malicious
mischief.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From ben at spiritguardian.com  Wed Jun  2 17:28:19 2004
From: ben at spiritguardian.com (Ben M. Swihart)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:28:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMS mailing list
In-Reply-To: <20040602150648.GB15406@server.onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <002601c448b6$3e40d320$6600a8c0@libertatium>

Thank you, Jim.

How do I restrict this option to a particular list?  It seems global.

Also, the "Errors-to:" field is the field that is being grabbed and
stuffed into the body of the SMS message.  Is there a way to
change/disable that?  

- Ben 



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Tittsler [mailto:jwt at OnJapan.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:07 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] SMS mailing list


On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 10:39:42AM -0400, Ben M. Swihart wrote:
> First problem is... I don't seem to be able to set the list to not 
> require confirmation for subscription.  This is a closed, internally 
> managed list that is not open to the public.  Confirmations are not 
> needed.  How do I disable required confirmation?

If you set
ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = Yes
in your mm_cfg.py, lists will have the option of not requiring
confirmation.

But if it is "internally managed," the mailing list administrator could
just use the Membership Management interface to subscribe (and
unsubscribe) members... which is less subject to malicious mischief.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html


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From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Wed Jun  2 18:26:22 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:26:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMS mailing list
References: <001b01c448af$767dd050$6600a8c0@libertatium>
Message-ID: <alm.20040602182625.20476@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>

"Ben M. Swihart" schrieb:

> First problem is... I don't seem to be able to set the list to not
> require confirmation for subscription.  This is a closed, internally
> managed list that is not open to the public.  Confirmations are not
> needed.  How do I disable required confirmation?

Just enter the new subscribers via the admin-web-interface.

> Secondly, each message is sent with a bounce-mylist at mydomain.com from:
> field. 

No, it isn't. That's the Sender: and/or envelope.

> I need to turn this off because it's simply being shoved into
> the "body" of the SMS message.

There is no possibility to send a mail without From:; that header is
mandatory.

-thh




From netllama at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 19:50:59 2004
From: netllama at gmail.com (Lonni J Friedman)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:50:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit destination problem
Message-ID: <7c1574a9040602105035f28e8c@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,
I've got a mailman list (version 2.0.14) behind a firewall.  As a
result, anyone trying to send mail to that list sends it to an
external email address which is of the format:
IB_Meter_Gold_Issues%QUARTZ at foo.bar.com

That address then gets translated internally and forwards the mail to
the mailman list.  The problem is that all the mail for the list is
always held for approval because of the implicit destination.

Normally, i thought that inputing the full email address
(IB_Meter_Gold_Issues%QUARTZ at foo.bar.com) in the mailman privacy
options for aliases that shouldn't be held when there is implicit
destination would allow it to post the message to the list
automatically.  However, that isn't working, and it continues to get
held.  I've also tried listing a regexp:
.*IB

but that too fails.  My best guess is that the % symbol in the email
address is confusing mailman.  Does anyone know if this is the
problem?

Thanks!
Lonni



From netllama at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 20:22:41 2004
From: netllama at gmail.com (Lonni J Friedman)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:22:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit destination problem
In-Reply-To: <388F2E00-B4C0-11D8-9F35-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>
References: <7c1574a9040602105035f28e8c@mail.gmail.com>
	<388F2E00-B4C0-11D8-9F35-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <7c1574a904060211221d420c30@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:11:08 -0500, Dan Phillips <dhphllps at memphis.edu> wrote:
> 
> On Jun 2, 2004, at 12:50 PM, Lonni J Friedman wrote:
> > The problem is that all the mail for the list is
> > always held for approval because of the implicit destination.
> >
> 
> Don't know about the % question, but why don't you simply change
> http://dom.ain/mailman/admin/listname/privacy/recipient
>   "Must posts have list named in destination (to, cc) field  (or be
> among the acceptable alias names, specified below)?" to "NO" for that
> list?

The admin of the list isn't me, i just admin the physical box, and the
list admin is afraid of spam, so he wants to have tight control over
what can get posted to the list.  I think the problem is the % symbol,
but unfortunately, i don't know how to debug it further.

> 
> BTW, did you mean 2.0.13 or 2.1.4? AFAIK there never was a 2.0.14...

Yea, there was a 2.0.14:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-announce/2004-February/000067.html



From Jyoty.Parkash at fundserv.com  Wed Jun  2 21:04:17 2004
From: Jyoty.Parkash at fundserv.com (Jyoty Parkash)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:04:17 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit HTML code
Message-ID: <8025DC2E7413D8118BF400508B2CEAB314F38D@VENUS>

Hi All,

Could someone tell me if it is possible to change other html code in
mailman. I found the edit HTML pages option in admin activities. Those has
been modified. 

If possible to edit other code, can you tell me where to find the codes for:
*	Welcome page that includes all public lists, 
*	Confirm subscription request page, 
*	Awaiting moderator approval page, 
*	List subscriptions for each user page and 
*	Unscubscription results page. 

Need to modify the look of the pages to be consitency with the corp.
website. 

Thank you in advance.

Regards,
Jyoty




From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Wed Jun  2 21:12:48 2004
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:12:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get a list of approved posters?
Message-ID: <40BE26B0.1030805@state.or.us>

Is there a way to generate a list of either all approved posters or of 
the entire list of subscribers with account information intact. I know 
that I can see the list in the admin interface, with the sending 
permissions, but it is a large list and I would like to see easily see 
this information in one place.

-- 
Christopher Adams







From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Wed Jun  2 22:00:14 2004
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:00:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Removing "on behalf of"
In-Reply-To: <alm.20040529121915.20397@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
References: <011e01c44468$27132470$800101df@Tiger1>
	<alm.20040529121915.20397@dragonfly.akallabeth.de>
Message-ID: <20040602200014.GK15806@hq.newdream.net>

On Sat, May 29, 2004 at 12:19:12PM +0200, Thomas Hochstein wrote:
> "John S. Strock" schrieb:
> 
> > How do I remove the "On behalf of" in the 'From' field?
> 
> There *is* no "on behalf of" in the Fom:-field. You just have to use a
> client that does not show it that way.

This is just the way some versions of Outlook / OE seem to do it - when
the envelope-sender differs from the "From" header, the message shows up
as being "From: [envelope-sender] on behalf of [from address]". Replies
are still directed (correctly) to the address in the "From: " header.
I'm not aware of a configuration option in the mail client to override
this behavior.

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")




From rxweb+ at pitt.edu  Wed Jun  2 22:09:01 2004
From: rxweb+ at pitt.edu (Thomas Waters)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 16:09:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] overwrite entire list
Message-ID: <B0B42B16-B4D0-11D8-A6C1-000A95AE8AF2@pitt.edu>

I have about a dozen lists that I need to dump entirely and import from 
scratch.  I see the ability to do a mass remove- but not sure how to/ 
what to upload to accomplish that.  If I upload a new file will that 
overwrite or append to the current list?

Thx,
--
Thomas Waters
Director of Information and Communication Services
University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy
412-383-7471
rxweb+ at pitt.edu
http://www.pharmacy.pitt.edu




From rowan at crssa.rutgers.edu  Wed Jun  2 23:17:18 2004
From: rowan at crssa.rutgers.edu (Andy Rowan)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 17:17:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] groupname and mail-gid
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040602165341.0b603700@www.thewatershed.org>

Here's the short version of my question: is there a reason why I should NOT 
use the same group "mail" for both the "--with-groupname" and 
"--with-mail-gid" configure options?


The long version is this.  I'm having some difficulties with gids.  I'm 
running mailman 2.1.5 and sendmail 8.12.10 on a redhat linux 7.2 box.  Both 
the mailman and sendmail I compiled from source, they're not RPMs.  If I 
use the defaults for group name when I configure, I get an error:

"Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but
the system's mail server executed the mail script as
group "mail".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the
script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mail'."

So no problem, I just use the "--with-mail-gid=mail" switch for configure, 
rather than messing with sendmail.  This worked.  (It worked with 2.1.3 
too.)   Now sendmail is using "mail," and that's what mailman is expecting, 
so everyone is happy.

New wrinkle.  Now I want to have my mail alias for the list invoke procmail 
first, and then from the procmail recipe I pipe to mailman.  So my alias 
entry looks like this:

mmtest:              "|/usr/bin/procmail -m /etc/procmailrcs/mailman mmtest"

(By the way, the FAQ entry says to use a variable assignment 
"MAILMAN=mmtest" to pass the list name, but the current version of procmail 
won't allow that if the rc file is in /etc/procmailrcs, for security 
reasons.  Putting the listname as an argument and then capturing it in the 
rcfile as $1 works.  But I digress.)

When I do this, the group mismatch error comes back again, in reverse: 
mailman now expects the group "mail" but the system is executing the script 
as group "mailman."  I assume this is because the mail/mailman executable 
is owned by mailman.mailman and is setgid, so when procmail launches it, it 
gets that gid.

So, I could change the configure option back.  But I want to avoid a 
situation where my procmail setup works and the standard alias doesn't.  So 
I need to get the same group ownership both ways.

One solution would seem to be to configure using "--with-groupname" and 
"--with-mail-gid" both set to "mail," which is the group that sendmail 
wants to use to run the wrapper.  Then presumably mailman will have that 
gid when procmail launches it as well.  Is there a reason that this is a 
bad idea?

The other solution would seem to be to get in and change sendmail so that 
it uses the mailman group instead, but then I don't know what other effects 
that will have.

So, is it ok to have those both be "mail."  Or is there some other way?


-Andy




From embrey at hood.edu  Wed Jun  2 23:28:12 2004
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 17:28:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] overwrite entire list
In-Reply-To: <B0B42B16-B4D0-11D8-A6C1-000A95AE8AF2@pitt.edu>
Message-ID: <000843e90a82724db40668ebd69f4e1e@hermes.hood.edu>

Thomas,

I refresh my lists on a daily basis and I use the following commands to
remove all members and then import an updated list:

bin/remove_members -anN listname
bin/add_members -wn -an -r filename list

These two commands will do what you want silently without notifying the
members of the list. Hope this helps.

Bruce Embrey

Bruce Edward Embrey : Linux Systems Manager 
Campus Email Admin / NETREG : UNIX / Linux Administrator 
Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+embrey=hood.edu at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+embrey=hood.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of
Thomas Waters
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 4:09 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] overwrite entire list

I have about a dozen lists that I need to dump entirely and import from 
scratch.  I see the ability to do a mass remove- but not sure how to/ 
what to upload to accomplish that.  If I upload a new file will that 
overwrite or append to the current list?

Thx,
--
Thomas Waters
Director of Information and Communication Services
University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy
412-383-7471
rxweb+ at pitt.edu
http://www.pharmacy.pitt.edu


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From netllama at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 23:55:18 2004
From: netllama at gmail.com (Lonni J Friedman)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:55:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit destination problem
In-Reply-To: <5D3C267A-B4C2-11D8-9F35-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>
References: <7c1574a9040602105035f28e8c@mail.gmail.com>
	<388F2E00-B4C0-11D8-9F35-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>
	<7c1574a904060211221d420c30@mail.gmail.com>
	<5D3C267A-B4C2-11D8-9F35-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <7c1574a9040602145528ce83cf@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:26:28 -0500, Dan Phillips <dhphllps at memphis.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Jun 2, 2004, at 1:22 PM, Lonni J Friedman wrote:
> > The admin of the list isn't me, i just admin the physical box, and the
> > list admin is afraid of spam, so he wants to have tight control over
> > what can get posted to the list.  I think the problem is the % symbol,
> > but unfortunately, i don't know how to debug it further.
> 
> Ahh, I understand...
> 
> > Yea, there was a 2.0.14:
> > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-announce/2004-February/
> > 000067.html
> >
> >
> 
> Oh yeah; I'd forgotten about that :-) I upgraded to 2.1 as soon as it
> was available.
> 
> Sorry I can't help with the % question. Good luck.

OK, is there a way of increasing the verbosity of mailman's logging so
that i can determine why its not working as it should?



From Scot at JCTn.com  Thu Jun  3 02:05:05 2004
From: Scot at JCTn.com (Scot Condry)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:05:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Mailman with existing IIS
Message-ID: <B34639830A316B46B3AFC8023F3574450CBE69@rex.JCTn.com>

 
Anyone in this situation?:
 
I am running Fedora 2 on a linux box that acts as my router and firewall.  It is also running as my only mail server (Postfix) and also Mailman.  Everything else in the network is Windows including the server Windows 2000.  I already had a couple of pages hosted on the Windows server running IIS 5.  But now I want my Mailman list subscribers to see the Mailman pages.  Inside the network I can go to linux.mydomain.com and see the apache page or my own content.  Inside I can go to linux.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/mylist and see that fine.  But on the outside I can hit neither.
 
My firewall (2 nics, the static IP and 192.168.1.1) sends port 80 traffic to 192.168.1.105 my windows server.  And I can tell IIS to redirect traffic for http://linux.mydomain.com to a URL, google, cnn whatever... it works.   But I cant get it to redirect to the linux box.  I get 404 errors.
 
Basically is anyone using Apache ONLY for Mailman and still hosting web pages in Windows IIS ??  How do you do it? 
 
SC
 



From wangwei at nanjing-fnst.com  Thu Jun  3 02:45:07 2004
From: wangwei at nanjing-fnst.com (Wang wei)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 08:45:07 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add Auto Number to the subject's prefix
Message-ID: <20040603083733.4383.WANGWEI@nanjing-fnst.com>

hi all:

I just use the Mailman 2.1.5 with CJK codes supported.
And I has a problem here
How to add Auto Number in the prefix of the Subject
For example:
 mailman-users at python.org 's subject prefix is [Mailman-Users]
 and I want to add the Auto Number looks like this  [Mailman-Users:000001]
 when next mail comes the subject would be [Mailman-Users:000002] ...

Does someone know how to do this?
Thanks a lot





From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun  3 03:15:31 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 03:15:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add Auto Number to the subject's
 prefix
In-Reply-To: <20040603083733.4383.WANGWEI@nanjing-fnst.com>
References: <20040603083733.4383.WANGWEI@nanjing-fnst.com>
Message-ID: <p06002039bce42a904b1c@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:45 AM +0800 2004/06/03, Wang wei wrote:

>  I just use the Mailman 2.1.5 with CJK codes supported.
>  And I has a problem here
>  How to add Auto Number in the prefix of the Subject

	See the FAQ entry at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.043.htp>.

	In the future, before posting to the list, I'd encourage you to 
search the FAQ, the archives of the mailing list, and the Mailman 
project pages at SourceForge.  You're likely to come up with a useful 
answer faster, and you help reduce unnecessary traffic on the list.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun  3 03:17:33 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 03:17:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Mailman with existing IIS
In-Reply-To: <B34639830A316B46B3AFC8023F3574450CBE69@rex.JCTn.com>
References: <B34639830A316B46B3AFC8023F3574450CBE69@rex.JCTn.com>
Message-ID: <p0600203abce42b3a72f3@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:05 PM -0700 2004/06/02, Scot Condry wrote:

>  My firewall (2 nics, the static IP and 192.168.1.1) sends port 80 traffic
>  to 192.168.1.105 my windows server.  And I can tell IIS to redirect traffic
>  for http://linux.mydomain.com to a URL, google, cnn whatever... it works.
>  But I cant get it to redirect to the linux box.  I get 404 errors.

	I'm not sure how it works with redirects through another server, 
but redirects internally to apache do not work with Mailman.  This is 
the cause of the problems which lead to the FAQ entry at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.045.htp>.

	However, I don't know how this would interact with the way you're 
trying to do redirects.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From wangwei at nanjing-fnst.com  Thu Jun  3 03:22:53 2004
From: wangwei at nanjing-fnst.com (Wang wei)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:22:53 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add Auto Number to the subject's prefix
In-Reply-To: <p06002039bce42a904b1c@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <20040603083733.4383.WANGWEI@nanjing-fnst.com>
	<p06002039bce42a904b1c@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <20040603092154.438D.WANGWEI@nanjing-fnst.com>

Hi Brad:

> 	See the FAQ entry at 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.043.htp>.
Thank you very very much :)


On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 03:15:31 +0200
Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be> wrote:

> At 8:45 AM +0800 2004/06/03, Wang wei wrote:
> 
> >  I just use the Mailman 2.1.5 with CJK codes supported.
> >  And I has a problem here
> >  How to add Auto Number in the prefix of the Subject
> 
> 	See the FAQ entry at 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.043.htp>.
> 
> 	In the future, before posting to the list, I'd encourage you to 
> search the FAQ, the archives of the mailing list, and the Mailman 
> project pages at SourceForge.  You're likely to come up with a useful 
> answer faster, and you help reduce unnecessary traffic on the list.
> 
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
> 
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
> 
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.





From rowan at crssa.rutgers.edu  Thu Jun  3 03:44:38 2004
From: rowan at crssa.rutgers.edu (Andy Rowan)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:44:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] groupname and mail-gid
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20040602165341.0b603700@www.thewatershed.org>
References: <6.1.0.6.0.20040602165341.0b603700@www.thewatershed.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040602213455.0244dc40@crssa.rutgers.edu>

More on this...

When mailman is launched from procmail, the gid of the process is 
apparently assigned to the mailman user's primary group (from the passwd 
file).  I recompiled mailman with groupname AND mail-gid both set to 
"mail", but still got the error ... until I edited passwd to change the 
user's primary group, and now it works.

Does anyone see any problems with this?  Basically, everywhere that I can 
change what the group is, I've changed it to "mail."

-Andy


At 05:17 PM 6/2/2004, Andy Rowan wrote:
>One solution would seem to be to configure using "--with-groupname" and 
>"--with-mail-gid" both set to "mail," which is the group that sendmail 
>wants to use to run the wrapper.  Then presumably mailman will have that 
>gid when procmail launches it as well.  Is there a reason that this is a 
>bad idea?
>
>The other solution would seem to be to get in and change sendmail so that 
>it uses the mailman group instead, but then I don't know what other 
>effects that will have.
>
>So, is it ok to have those both be "mail."  Or is there some other way?




From Scot at JCTn.com  Thu Jun  3 07:03:15 2004
From: Scot at JCTn.com (Scot Condry)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:03:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Mailman with existing IIS
Message-ID: <B34639830A316B46B3AFC8023F3574450CBE6B@rex.JCTn.com>

 
So the only way to keep them both is to open up port 80 traffic on the linux box / router as well??

SC
 
 

________________________________

From: Brad Knowles [mailto:brad.knowles at skynet.be]
Sent: Wed 6/2/2004 6:17 PM
To: Scot Condry
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Mailman with existing IIS



At 5:05 PM -0700 2004/06/02, Scot Condry wrote:

>  My firewall (2 nics, the static IP and 192.168.1.1) sends port 80 traffic
>  to 192.168.1.105 my windows server.  And I can tell IIS to redirect traffic
>  for http://linux.mydomain.com to a URL, google, cnn whatever... it works.
>  But I cant get it to redirect to the linux box.  I get 404 errors.

        I'm not sure how it works with redirects through another server,
but redirects internally to apache do not work with Mailman.  This is
the cause of the problems which lead to the FAQ entry at
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.045.htp>.

        However, I don't know how this would interact with the way you're
trying to do redirects.

--
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.





From allan at lxd1.asiandevbank.org  Thu Jun  3 08:25:24 2004
From: allan at lxd1.asiandevbank.org (Ako Ito)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:25:24 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archiving on mailman
Message-ID: <00ca01c44933$8e2bee60$72a017ac@asiandevbank.org>

hello gurus,
is it possible on mailman 2.1.4 to not scrubbed the mailman attachments on the archives? just leave it as is? if not what other solutions do i need to undertake for me accomplish this?

thanks

From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Thu Jun  3 08:36:03 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:36:03 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archiving on mailman
In-Reply-To: <00ca01c44933$8e2bee60$72a017ac@asiandevbank.org>
References: <00ca01c44933$8e2bee60$72a017ac@asiandevbank.org>
Message-ID: <40BEC6D3.80900@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>



Ako Ito wrote:

> hello gurus,
> is it possible on mailman 2.1.4 to not scrubbed the mailman attachments on the archives? just leave it as is? if not what other solutions do i need to undertake for me accomplish this?
> 

So, how do you retrieve the attachments from the archive ?
Without scrubbing, you will get MIME Base64 strings on the archived
message page.


-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Jun  3 10:31:55 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:31:55 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMS mailing list
In-Reply-To: <002601c448b6$3e40d320$6600a8c0@libertatium>
References: <002601c448b6$3e40d320$6600a8c0@libertatium>
Message-ID: <786B7FF2-B538-11D8-8D1D-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

On Jun 3, 2004, at 00:28, Ben M. Swihart wrote:

> How do I restrict this option to a particular list?  It seems global.

Setting ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE allows you to set the subscribe_policy to 
'None'.  After you configure your list, you could set it back to No.  
(Or you could use bin/withlist to set your list's m.subscribe_policy=0 
directly.)

I should warn again that this setting seems like a bad idea in an era 
of malicious users.  If the list is as "closed" as you described, I 
would think it much better to set the subscription policy as tight as 
possible (to require 'approval', so that nobody joins the list 
"unexpectedly") and then always have the list manager do the 
subscription and unsubscription through the administrative interface.

> Also, the "Errors-to:" field is the field that is being grabbed and
> stuffed into the body of the SMS message.  Is there a way to
> change/disable that?

You could hack Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py, but it may be easier to 
have your MTA strip it.  (Think carefully before doing so, since some 
elderly MTAs might still honor that header.  If you are sure none are 
in the path between you and your SMS gateway, you should be safe.)


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun  3 11:00:16 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:00:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Mailman with existing IIS
In-Reply-To: <B34639830A316B46B3AFC8023F3574450CBE6B@rex.JCTn.com>
References: <B34639830A316B46B3AFC8023F3574450CBE6B@rex.JCTn.com>
Message-ID: <p0600203bbce498e8d2fd@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:03 PM -0700 2004/06/02, Scot Condry wrote:

>  So the only way to keep them both is to open up port 80 traffic on the
>  linux box / router as well??

	I'm not sure.  What you're trying to do is a little different, 
and may not result in the same type of problems, or might result in 
similar problems that cannot be solved the same way.

	All I can suggest is that you let us know what works once you find it.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Thu Jun  3 15:03:28 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:03:28 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archiving on mailman
In-Reply-To: <010b01c4493e$beafd190$72a017ac@asiandevbank.org>
References: <00ca01c44933$8e2bee60$72a017ac@asiandevbank.org>	<40BEC6D3.80900@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
	<010b01c4493e$beafd190$72a017ac@asiandevbank.org>
Message-ID: <40BF21A0.8020600@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Ako Ito wrote:

> hello sir,
> whenever I access it through the archives it gets relinked to certain
> location where the extension is either .obj or .bin ..problem is whenever a
> user is accessing it.. he is asked on what application to open it with.. can
> this prevented... that is still retains its attachments original extension
> files. ex. .xls .doc? thanks for the prompt response...

Mailman archiver is designed to attain safety against malicious files
like viruses. Typical virus mail has an attachment like this:

> ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0CA80.6B015D10
> Content-Type: audio/x-wav;
>         name="message.scr"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> Content-ID: <031401Mfdab4$3f3dL780$73387018 at 57W81fa70Re>
> 
> TVqQAAMAAAAEAAAA//8AALgAAAAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Windows will execute this code if the extension is kept as .scr
which is not an audio/x-wav file extension.

Some mailers are not compliant with the IANA registered mime extension
and put application/octet-stream content-type for excel or msword.
In this case, mailman is very cautious not to trust the original
extention and change it to .bin. If these files are sent by a compliant
mailer like netscape, the content-type will be application/msword or
application/vnd.ms-excel and the extension will become .doc or .xls.

So, if you really don't care the safety, you must hack the code at your
own risk.

Oh, there is an option to use an external archiver...
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.003.htp

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From netllama at gmail.com  Thu Jun  3 15:08:04 2004
From: netllama at gmail.com (Lonni J Friedman)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:08:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit destination problem
In-Reply-To: <AC5B59AB-B53A-11D8-8D1D-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>
References: <7c1574a9040602105035f28e8c@mail.gmail.com>
	<AC5B59AB-B53A-11D8-8D1D-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <7c1574a90406030608352570c8@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for your reply.  Turns out that the problem is that mailman (at
least 2.0.x) silently converts the address to lower case before doing
the comparision.  Using ib instead of IB made it work.

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:47:41 +0900, Jim Tittsler <jwt at onjapan.net> wrote:
> 
> On Jun 3, 2004, at 02:50, Lonni J Friedman wrote:
> 
> > Normally, i thought that inputing the full email address
> > (IB_Meter_Gold_Issues%QUARTZ at foo.bar.com) in the mailman privacy
> > options for aliases that shouldn't be held when there is implicit
> > destination would allow it to post the message to the list
> > automatically.  However, that isn't working, and it continues to get
> 
> I don't have an old 2.0.x Mailman installation to play with, but with
> 2.1.x there is no issue with '%'.  (It would surprise me if there is in
> 2.0.x, since % doesn't have special meaning in regexes.)
> 
> Instead of putting the full address there, did you try just the local
> part?
> IB_Meter_Gold_Issues%QUARTZ



From 99lum at charter.net  Thu Jun  3 00:57:49 2004
From: 99lum at charter.net (99lum)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:57:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All recipients refused: (501,
	'5.0.0 Invalid domain name')
Message-ID: <001001c448f5$0a75dba0$d63bc518@john.pa.charter.com>

Can you please tell me if there was ever any resolution to this problem? If so, what was it. Thank you so much.

From avbidder at fortytwo.ch  Thu Jun  3 08:57:05 2004
From: avbidder at fortytwo.ch (Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:57:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message for mailman@site list - how to discard?
Message-ID: <200406030857.05978@fortytwo.ch>

Hi all,

[sorry, I'm not subscribed - please cc: me. I *did* have a look at the 
FAQ, though]

As was recommended by some of the documentation (a long time ago, sorry, 
no reference), I created the master list named 'mailman' which 
apparently is used by mailman internally. Now somebody spammed the 
mailman at site email alias (can I safely delete mailman.* aliases?), and 
I got a 'message is held for spam' message, with a link to admindb.

However, https://<site>/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb/mailman redirects me to 
the listinfo page, so there's no way to discard this message, so I now 
get a daily reminder that there is this message held - a bit 
annoying...

What do I do now?

greetings
-- vbi

-- 
featured product: vim - http://vim.org
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From cdurkin at harvestcoop.com  Wed Jun  2 18:48:48 2004
From: cdurkin at harvestcoop.com (Chris Durkin)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:48:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad link
Message-ID: <00eb01c448c1$7a3b9670$ac00a8c0@memberservices>

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/NEWS?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup

Christopher R. Durkin
Director of Membership and Community Relations
Harvest Co-op Markets
581 Massachusetts Ave
Cambridge, MA 02139
617-661-1580 x 132
www.harvest.coop


From webmaster at hongkongpost.com  Thu Jun  3 10:24:08 2004
From: webmaster at hongkongpost.com (Webmaster)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:24:08 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about configuring Mailman
Message-ID: <000801c44944$2513b9b0$58b72a0a@LaurenceCYLim>

Hi,

I am new to Mailman, also mailing list. Due to the restrictions of my company, I have some questions about configuring Mailman.

First, my company using a HP-UX as web and SMTP server while a Redhat ES3 as application server. I run the Mailman on the app server and configure the SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT point to the HP-UX using IP address.

When I first test the list by adding new members in, it success. Every new members can receive the welcoming email. But, when I post a message to the list, it fail... I really don't know why... Is that I can only run the Mailman on a Linux server with SMTP service?

Thanks for replying!

Regards,
Laurence Lim
ISSD, Hongkong Post


From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Jun  3 15:28:55 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:28:55 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad link
In-Reply-To: <00eb01c448c1$7a3b9670$ac00a8c0@memberservices>
References: <00eb01c448c1$7a3b9670$ac00a8c0@memberservices>
Message-ID: <F6587F31-B561-11D8-8983-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Jun 3, 2004, at 01:48, Chris Durkin wrote:

> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/NEWS? 
> rev=HEAD&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup

Unfortunately SourceForge has a "systems issue" that affects some  
projects, including Mailman:

> (  2004-06-01 09:14:25 - Project CVS Service )   As of 2004-05-31 CVS  
> pserver, ViewCVS and nightly tarballs for projects with UNIX names  
> starting with the letters q, z, p, m, t, n and y will be down for an  
> unknown time period due to a systems issue. We are currently working  
> on a timely resolution to this issue.

In the interim, you can get the NEWS about Mailman 2.1.5 from the file  
inside the source tarball.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Thu Jun  3 15:48:15 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:48:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message for mailman@site list - how to discard?
In-Reply-To: <200406030857.05978@fortytwo.ch>
References: <200406030857.05978@fortytwo.ch>
Message-ID: <20040603134815.GE4745@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote:
> As was recommended by some of the documentation (a long time ago,
> sorry, no reference), I created the master list named 'mailman'
> which apparently is used by mailman internally. Now somebody spammed
> the mailman at site email alias (can I safely delete mailman.*
> aliases?), and I got a 'message is held for spam' message, with a
> link to admindb.

IMO, a better solution would be to set all mail from non-members to be
discarded automatically.  The only members of the mailman site list
are the site admins so any spam sent there will just get dropped.

> However, https://<site>/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb/mailman redirects me
> to the listinfo page, so there's no way to discard this message, so
> I now get a daily reminder that there is this message held - a bit
> annoying...

You have a broken redirect in your apache config.  You need to fix or
remove that so you can get into the mailman site-list admin pages.  If
you have trouble with figuring out the proper regular expression to
fix your redirect, post what you have to the list and someone will
likely be able to help you get it right.  Some of the rpm packages
I've seen have a redirect like this which causes the problem you're
seeing:

RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo

(In the Red Hat rpms I'm familiar with, this redirect is commented out
by default but the comment recommends uncommenting it after changing
the FQDN to match your server's name.)

One way to fix this is to add a ^ at the beginning of the URI to only
match the pattern when the URI starts with /mailman, like so:

RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo

HTH,

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for
reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
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From ben at spiritguardian.com  Thu Jun  3 16:34:11 2004
From: ben at spiritguardian.com (Ben M. Swihart)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:34:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMS mailing list
In-Reply-To: <786B7FF2-B538-11D8-8D1D-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <000601c44977$d9df1c30$6600a8c0@libertatium>

I tried "hacking" mailman a bit... Here's the relevant lines in
SMTPDirect.py :

    del msg['sender']
    del msg['errors-to']
    msg['Sender'] = envsender
    msg['Errors-To'] = envsender

At least, that's all I can find.  Nothing seems to happen when I comment
out some or all of these lines.  Am I doing something wrong?  Do I have
to restart mailman for these changes to work?

Thanks for you help, Jim.

- Ben




-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Tittsler [mailto:jwt at onjapan.net] 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 4:32 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] SMS mailing list


On Jun 3, 2004, at 00:28, Ben M. Swihart wrote:

> How do I restrict this option to a particular list?  It seems global.

Setting ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE allows you to set the subscribe_policy to 
'None'.  After you configure your list, you could set it back to No.  
(Or you could use bin/withlist to set your list's m.subscribe_policy=0 
directly.)

I should warn again that this setting seems like a bad idea in an era 
of malicious users.  If the list is as "closed" as you described, I 
would think it much better to set the subscription policy as tight as 
possible (to require 'approval', so that nobody joins the list 
"unexpectedly") and then always have the list manager do the 
subscription and unsubscription through the administrative interface.

> Also, the "Errors-to:" field is the field that is being grabbed and 
> stuffed into the body of the SMS message.  Is there a way to 
> change/disable that?

You could hack Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py, but it may be easier to 
have your MTA strip it.  (Think carefully before doing so, since some 
elderly MTAs might still honor that header.  If you are sure none are 
in the path between you and your SMS gateway, you should be safe.)


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html


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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Jun  3 16:47:59 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:47:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMS mailing list
In-Reply-To: <000601c44977$d9df1c30$6600a8c0@libertatium>
References: <000601c44977$d9df1c30$6600a8c0@libertatium>
Message-ID: <01EF086D-B56D-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 3 Jun 2004, at 15:34, Ben M. Swihart wrote:

> I tried "hacking" mailman a bit... Here's the relevant lines in
> SMTPDirect.py :
>
>     del msg['sender']
>     del msg['errors-to']
>     msg['Sender'] = envsender
>     msg['Errors-To'] = envsender
>
> At least, that's all I can find.  Nothing seems to happen when I 
> comment
> out some or all of these lines.  Am I doing something wrong?  Do I have
> to restart mailman for these changes to work?
>

Assuming MM 2.1.x.

Did you run mailmanctl restart to restart the qrunner daemons, so that 
they would use the modified code?

> Thanks for you help, Jim.
>
> - Ben
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Tittsler [mailto:jwt at onjapan.net]
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 4:32 AM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] SMS mailing list
>
>
> On Jun 3, 2004, at 00:28, Ben M. Swihart wrote:
>
>> How do I restrict this option to a particular list?  It seems global.
>
> Setting ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE allows you to set the subscribe_policy to
> 'None'.  After you configure your list, you could set it back to No.
> (Or you could use bin/withlist to set your list's m.subscribe_policy=0
> directly.)
>
> I should warn again that this setting seems like a bad idea in an era
> of malicious users.  If the list is as "closed" as you described, I
> would think it much better to set the subscription policy as tight as
> possible (to require 'approval', so that nobody joins the list
> "unexpectedly") and then always have the list manager do the
> subscription and unsubscription through the administrative interface.
>
>> Also, the "Errors-to:" field is the field that is being grabbed and
>> stuffed into the body of the SMS message.  Is there a way to
>> change/disable that?
>
> You could hack Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py, but it may be easier to
> have your MTA strip it.  (Think carefully before doing so, since some
> elderly MTAs might still honor that header.  If you are sure none are
> in the path between you and your SMS gateway, you should be safe.)
>
>
> -- 
> Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
> Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
> Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun  3 17:25:50 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:25:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad link
In-Reply-To: <00eb01c448c1$7a3b9670$ac00a8c0@memberservices>
References: <00eb01c448c1$7a3b9670$ac00a8c0@memberservices>
Message-ID: <p0600203ebce4f36608e0@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:48 PM -0400 2004/06/02, Chris Durkin wrote:

> 
>http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/NEWS?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup

	Yeah, I think SourceForge is having some problems with their CVSweb system.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun  3 17:26:37 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:26:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All recipients refused: (501, 	'5.0.0
	Invalid domain name')
In-Reply-To: <001001c448f5$0a75dba0$d63bc518@john.pa.charter.com>
References: <001001c448f5$0a75dba0$d63bc518@john.pa.charter.com>
Message-ID: <p0600203fbce4f3800efb@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:57 PM -0400 2004/06/02, 99lum wrote:

>  Can you please tell me if there was ever any resolution to this problem?
>  If so, what was it. Thank you so much.

	Did you ever report it before?  Did you ever provide any useful 
details?  Did you ever search the FAQ and/or the archives of the list?

	If not, then no -- this hasn't been resolved.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun  3 17:27:35 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:27:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message for mailman@site list - how
 to discard?
In-Reply-To: <200406030857.05978@fortytwo.ch>
References: <200406030857.05978@fortytwo.ch>
Message-ID: <p06002040bce4f3af1a05@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:57 AM +0200 2004/06/03, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote:

>  However, https://<site>/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb/mailman redirects me to
>  the listinfo page, so there's no way to discard this message, so I now
>  get a daily reminder that there is this message held - a bit
>  annoying...

	Hmm.  This sounds a lot like 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.027.htp> 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.045.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun  3 17:32:13 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:32:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about configuring Mailman
In-Reply-To: <000801c44944$2513b9b0$58b72a0a@LaurenceCYLim>
References: <000801c44944$2513b9b0$58b72a0a@LaurenceCYLim>
Message-ID: <p06002041bce4f4a35317@[10.0.1.3]>

At 4:24 PM +0800 2004/06/03, Webmaster wrote:

>  First, my company using a HP-UX as web and SMTP server while a Redhat
>  ES3 as application server. I run the Mailman on the app server and
>  configure the SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT point to the HP-UX using IP address.

	As far as this goes, that should work.

>  When I first test the list by adding new members in, it success. Every
>  new members can receive the welcoming email. But, when I post a message
>  to the list, it fail... I really don't know why... Is that I can only
>  run the Mailman on a Linux server with SMTP service?

	Sounds like the mail server hasn't been configured to know about 
all the aliases, etc... for the mailing list.

	When you run a split application/mail server installation like 
this, you need to remember to copy all the aliases that are created 
when you create a mailing list and then modify them as necessary when 
you put them into place on the mail server.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From zoratu at datastacks.com  Thu Jun  3 22:54:07 2004
From: zoratu at datastacks.com (Isaiah)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:54:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] processing 400M/65000 files in qfiles/archive?
Message-ID: <40BF8FEF.4040305@datastacks.com>

    Due to an older bug I disabled ArchRunner from normal operation and 
had been invoking it via mailman user's cron.

    I just noticed about a month of missing HTML archives, and they're 
not in the .mbox files, either.  qfiles/archive, however, has 65k files 
totalling over 400M.

    ArchRunner is reactivated, but the number of files doesn't seem to 
be reduced at all, even after several hours.

    What's the best way to facilitate the processing of these files?

    Thanks in advance,
    Isaiah




From jwblist at olympus.net  Fri Jun  4 04:33:47 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:33:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.3 --> 2.1.5?
In-Reply-To: <40BCF6ED.8090000@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <BCE52D9B.12629%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 6/1/2004 14:36, "Tokio Kikuchi" <tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp> wrote:

> SMTP is so designed that one MTA can stop for a day or more ;-)

The school districts around here have the (energy saving but quaint) habit
of shutting off their SMTP servers either over weekends or just over long
weekends.

The rest of us get practice queuing mail (although we mostly don't notice).

One of them shut their server down over the summer a couple of years ago.
That did prevent delivery.  ;-)

  --John



From bigtony at mac.com  Fri Jun  4 08:12:56 2004
From: bigtony at mac.com (Everett Littles)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:12:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Additional http in admin util
Message-ID: <38CF600C-B5EE-11D8-ADC8-000A956E3DD4@mac.com>

I currently have 3 mailing lists on my server.  Only one works properly 
in the admin page.  The others will let me log in, but then give me an 
error whenever I click on a link.  For instance, I can select "Privacy 
Options" then I get a message stating:

http://http//lists.server.com/mailman/admindb/mailinglistname? because 
it can?t find the server ?http?.

Where is this extra http coming from?  My one list that works does not 
have this problem at all.  I've checked my mm_cfg.py and don't see 
anything that looks incorrect.

Please help.

Thanks.



From relson at osagesoftware.com  Fri Jun  4 15:59:33 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:59:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception
Message-ID: <20040604095933.675f4406@osage.osagesoftware.com>

FYI:

Jun 04 09:09:06 2004 (18876) SHUNTING:
1086170174.3516641+c52aafd5601316eadd825f0a9ec902c5ac8fbc7e
Jun 04 09:09:06 2004 (18876) Uncaught runner exception: ISO-2022-JP
encoding error: invalid character \x96
Jun 04 09:09:06 2004 (18876) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 223, in
_dispose
    res = Results(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 77, in
__init__
    subj = make_header(decode_header(subj)).__unicode__()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 144, in
make_header
    h.append(s, charset)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 277, in append
    ustr.encode(outcodec, errors)
UnicodeError: ISO-2022-JP encoding error: invalid character \x96
                                                                        
                                                                        
                     
-- 
David Relson                   Osage Software Systems, Inc.
relson at osagesoftware.com       Ann Arbor, MI 48103
www.osagesoftware.com          tel:  734.821.8800



From hillel at fun.ac.jp  Fri Jun  4 00:20:27 2004
From: hillel at fun.ac.jp (Hillel Weintraub)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:20:27 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 questions
Message-ID: <3776A8AC-B5AC-11D8-A556-000A95C71768@fun.ac.jp>

I looked through the faqs, but couldn't find any information about 
these two points.

1) is it possible to create a maililng list which anyone can post 
messages to (without being a designated member), but only members can 
read?  If so, how?

2) is it possible to have messages numbered so that each mail has a 
unique and visible number?  If so, how?

thanks, Hillel Weintraub, a Mailman user through his server at 
Hostdime.com
(in Japan)




From dhill at cesco.com  Fri Jun  4 16:31:49 2004
From: dhill at cesco.com (Dennis Hill)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:31:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] EOFError
Message-ID: <1086359509.17830.8.camel@supertux.cesco.com>

I'm getting the following error:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 43, in main
    count = mlist.NumRequestsPending()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in
NumRequestsPending
    self.__opendb()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
    self.__db = marshal.load(fp)
EOFError: EOF read where object expected

Looks like the admindb is corrupt?  Is there any way to re-initialize
this database file?

Thanks,
Dennis




From jwalker at falcin.com  Fri Jun  4 17:50:54 2004
From: jwalker at falcin.com (Jennifer Walker)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:50:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting Archives - Directory Missing
Message-ID: <00cd01c44a4b$b87a6c50$77010a0a@jennifer>

I've read the FAQ and searched this list's archives.  I know that in order
to delete messages, I need to:

   - edit the archive mbox file
     ~mailman/archive/private/<listname.mbox>/<listname.mbox>
       remove the messages you want gone from the archives

Problem is, I do not have a mailman directory in my file manager, ftp, etc.

I can *see* the archives in a web browser if I remove the "archives" from
the above, and use mail.mydomain.com in place of the ~ - but I cannot access
the actual file to edit.  (I could do a view-source of the archives and edit
that, but where would I upload it?)  Does the ~ represent something else?



Jennifer Walker




From Scot at JCTn.com  Fri Jun  4 21:32:22 2004
From: Scot at JCTn.com (Scot Condry)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:32:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Mailman with existing IIS
Message-ID: <B34639830A316B46B3AFC8023F3574450CBE6C@rex.JCTn.com>

Well I will definetly let people know if I figure it out.   But now I am thinking of just running Apache and hosting my previous web pages on my Linux machine.  It seems hard to believe that no one has tries to do what I am doing before, hsoting web pages on a windows machine and at the same time hosting Mailman on a linux server.
 
But you are saying (the faq info was a little vague) that if I use IIS and under Home Directory tell it to go to a URL its not going to work right with Mailman anyway?

SC


________________________________

From: Brad Knowles [mailto:brad.knowles at skynet.be]
Sent: Thu 6/3/2004 2:00 AM
To: Scot Condry
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Mailman with existing IIS



At 10:03 PM -0700 2004/06/02, Scot Condry wrote:

>  So the only way to keep them both is to open up port 80 traffic on the
>  linux box / router as well??

        I'm not sure.  What you're trying to do is a little different,
and may not result in the same type of problems, or might result in
similar problems that cannot be solved the same way.

        All I can suggest is that you let us know what works once you find it.

--
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.





From yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU  Fri Jun  4 22:46:46 2004
From: yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 16:46:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages held in shunt and retry queue
Message-ID: <200406041646.46839.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>

i have messages held in qfiles/shunt/ directory and qfiles/retry/ and i am 
getting this error in log/mailman/ 

Jun 04 16:41:03 2004 (27520) delivery to yorkb at exchange.*domain*.edu failed 
with code -1: (111, 'Connection refused')

Anyone know what is causing this?

Thanks
Brian



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Fri Jun  4 23:15:53 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 06:15:53 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 questions
In-Reply-To: <3776A8AC-B5AC-11D8-A556-000A95C71768@fun.ac.jp>
References: <3776A8AC-B5AC-11D8-A556-000A95C71768@fun.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <40C0E689.7040607@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi from Japan.

Hillel Weintraub wrote:

> I looked through the faqs, but couldn't find any information about these 
> two points.
> 
> 1) is it possible to create a maililng list which anyone can post 
> messages to (without being a designated member), but only members can 
> read?  If so, how?

Mailing list is, by default, only members can read. Check your
mailman/admin/<list>/privacy/sender page how to restrict/allow
post messages. (generic_nonmember_action)

> 2) is it possible to have messages numbered so that each mail has a 
> unique and visible number?  If so, how?

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=601117&group_id=103&atid=300103

> thanks, Hillel Weintraub, a Mailman user through his server at Hostdime.com
> (in Japan)

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From Scot at JCTn.com  Fri Jun  4 23:16:12 2004
From: Scot at JCTn.com (Scot Condry)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:16:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Mailman with existing IIS
Message-ID: <B34639830A316B46B3AFC8023F3574450CBE6F@rex.JCTn.com>

My linux box running Fedora 2 is also a firewall / router.  So it has two Ethernet cards and they are assigned my static IP on the outside and 192.168.1.1 on the inside.  The firewall routes port 80 traffic to my windows 2000 server which is 192.168.1.105.  I already had a couple of web pages that I want to keep hosted with IIS on the windows server, like www.mydomain.com and somethingelse.mydomain.com.  But I want the mailman stuff to show up on the outside, so I am trying to route linux.mydomain.com to the linux server.  I can pretty much get linux.mydomain.com/index.html to come up by redirecting the URL or A Share on Another Comptuter settting in the Home Directory tab of IIS but I cannot get the mailman pages to come up from the outside at all.

SC

 
 

________________________________

From: Bob Escher [mailto:bescher at rsegroup.com]
Sent: Fri 6/4/2004 1:06 PM
To: Scot Condry
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Mailman with existing IIS



I am doing the same thing
with no issues

What problems are you running into? I didn't see your post

I am running all of my regular websites on IIS, windows 2003 servers
my mailing lists (for each domain that needs one) is run off Linux box
with Apache. I create a subdomain ie list.joe.com and run it that way.

Bob E



----- Original Message -----
From: "Scot Condry" <Scot at JCTn.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 2:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Mailman with existing IIS


Well I will definetly let people know if I figure it out.   But now I am
thinking of just running Apache and hosting my previous web pages on my
Linux machine.  It seems hard to believe that no one has tries to do what I
am doing before, hsoting web pages on a windows machine and at the same time
hosting Mailman on a linux server.

But you are saying (the faq info was a little vague) that if I use IIS and
under Home Directory tell it to go to a URL its not going to work right with
Mailman anyway?

SC


________________________________

From: Brad Knowles [mailto:brad.knowles at skynet.be]
Sent: Thu 6/3/2004 2:00 AM
To: Scot Condry
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Mailman with existing IIS



At 10:03 PM -0700 2004/06/02, Scot Condry wrote:

>  So the only way to keep them both is to open up port 80 traffic on the
>  linux box / router as well??

        I'm not sure.  What you're trying to do is a little different,
and may not result in the same type of problems, or might result in
similar problems that cannot be solved the same way.

        All I can suggest is that you let us know what works once you find
it.

--
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



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From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Fri Jun  4 23:32:15 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 06:32:15 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Mailman with existing IIS
In-Reply-To: <B34639830A316B46B3AFC8023F3574450CBE6F@rex.JCTn.com>
References: <B34639830A316B46B3AFC8023F3574450CBE6F@rex.JCTn.com>
Message-ID: <40C0EA5F.9080508@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

Scot Condry wrote:

> The firewall routes port 80 traffic to my windows 2000 server

So, you can see only windows server from outside world.
Stop port forwarding of the firewall and set up apache reverse
proxy. Read the friendly manual of apache httpd.

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun  4 22:56:08 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 22:56:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 questions
In-Reply-To: <3776A8AC-B5AC-11D8-A556-000A95C71768@fun.ac.jp>
References: <3776A8AC-B5AC-11D8-A556-000A95C71768@fun.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <p06002054bce6921cbc6e@[10.0.1.3]>

At 7:20 AM +0900 2004/06/04, Hillel Weintraub wrote:

>  I looked through the faqs, but couldn't find any information about these
>  two points.
>
>  1) is it possible to create a maililng list which anyone can post messages
>  to (without being a designated member), but only members can read?  If so,
>  how?

	Well, keep in mind that you're going to have to control 
subscriptions somehow, and you'd have to keep the archives private. 
But otherwise you just mark the list as open, and you should get what 
you need.

>  2) is it possible to have messages numbered so that each mail has a unique
>  and visible number?  If so, how?

	Tokio Kikuchi has one solution for you, see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.043.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun  4 22:57:37 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 22:57:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting Archives - Directory Missing
In-Reply-To: <00cd01c44a4b$b87a6c50$77010a0a@jennifer>
References: <00cd01c44a4b$b87a6c50$77010a0a@jennifer>
Message-ID: <p06002055bce69288d58a@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:50 AM -0400 2004/06/04, Jennifer Walker wrote:

>  I can *see* the archives in a web browser if I remove the "archives" from
>  the above, and use mail.mydomain.com in place of the ~ - but I cannot access
>  the actual file to edit.  (I could do a view-source of the archives and edit
>  that, but where would I upload it?)  Does the ~ represent something else?

	You need to be able to log onto the server via ssh or telnet. 
Once on the server, you need to go to the directory where Mailman is 
installed, and edit the archive files that exist in the appropriate 
location.

	Using just a web browser or somesuch, there's no way you can 
achieve what you want.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun  4 23:00:08 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:00:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Mailman with existing IIS
In-Reply-To: <B34639830A316B46B3AFC8023F3574450CBE6C@rex.JCTn.com>
References: <B34639830A316B46B3AFC8023F3574450CBE6C@rex.JCTn.com>
Message-ID: <p06002056bce692d3e75f@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:32 PM -0700 2004/06/04, Scot Condry wrote:

>  Well I will definetly let people know if I figure it out.   But now I
>  am thinking of just running Apache and hosting my previous web pages on
>  my Linux machine.  It seems hard to believe that no one has tries to do
>  what I am doing before, hsoting web pages on a windows machine and at
>  the same time hosting Mailman on a linux server.

	You can certainly split your Mailman web host from the mail 
server which actually handled the incoming and outgoing messages. 
That's not a problem.  But I've never heard of anyone trying to have 
the web server on one box (using IIS, no less) and the Mailman 
hosting on another box.

>  But you are saying (the faq info was a little vague) that if I use
>  IIS and under Home Directory tell it to go to a URL its not going
>  to work right with Mailman anyway?

	You could get Mailman to work under Windows 2000, using the 
instructions at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.002.htp>.

	Short of that, I can't see any way to integrate Mailman and IIS.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Fri Jun  4 23:42:13 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 06:42:13 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting Archives - Directory Missing
In-Reply-To: <00cd01c44a4b$b87a6c50$77010a0a@jennifer>
References: <00cd01c44a4b$b87a6c50$77010a0a@jennifer>
Message-ID: <40C0ECB5.60301@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

>      ~mailman/archive/private/<listname.mbox>/<listname.mbox>
>        remove the messages you want gone from the archives
> 
> Problem is, I do not have a mailman directory in my file manager, ftp, etc.

'~mailman' should be the prefix directory of your installation.
It is '/usr/local/mailman' or '/var/mailman' or something like that.

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun  4 23:48:57 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:48:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages held in shunt and retry queue
In-Reply-To: <200406041646.46839.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
References: <200406041646.46839.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <p0600205abce69eaaada2@[10.0.1.3]>

At 4:46 PM -0400 2004/06/04, Brian York wrote:

>  i have messages held in qfiles/shunt/ directory and qfiles/retry/ and i am
>  getting this error in log/mailman/
>
>  Jun 04 16:41:03 2004 (27520) delivery to yorkb at exchange.*domain*.edu failed
>  with code -1: (111, 'Connection refused')
>
>  Anyone know what is causing this?

	Sounds like the MTA is refusing the connection.  Do you have any 
data in the MTA logs to compare with?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 00:21:29 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:21:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Mailman with existing IIS
In-Reply-To: <B34639830A316B46B3AFC8023F3574450CBE6F@rex.JCTn.com>
References: <B34639830A316B46B3AFC8023F3574450CBE6F@rex.JCTn.com>
Message-ID: <867871E2-B675-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

In reading your description of the problem you are trying to solve I 
may be misunderstanding what you say. If so I apologize if my comments 
below waste your time.

If your Linux box is routing all incoming traffic to port 80 on your 
public IP number through to the internal server machine, how do you 
expect an HTTP server on the Linux box to see any incoming traffic on 
port 80 from that interface? How do you expect the router to determine 
the URL being addressed by the external client as presumably only 
examination of the Host: header in the HTTP request can determine which 
host (www.mydomain.com and somethingelse.mydomain.com and 
linux.mydomain.com) is wanted? I am assuming that DNS resolves all 
these published names to your single, public, static IP number. Are you 
currently trying to route all the externally originating HTTP traffic 
through to the internal server and then have that proxy some of the 
requests (the Mailman ones) back to the internal interface on the Linux 
box? That looks like the long way around.

Being a simple minded fellow I would approach the problem you have 
posed the other way about, as follows:

1. Configure you Linux firewall machine to run Apache with mod_proxy 
and mod_rewrite loaded.

2. Do not route port 80 traffic from the outside world off the Linux 
box, just let the Apache server on the Linux box take all the port 80 
traffic from the external interface.

3. Let the Apache server serve the Mailman pages in the normal way. 
That machine has to run some of the Mailman cgi scripts to deliver 
parts of the Mailman web gui and presumably the public list archive 
pages to be delivered directly by Apache are residing on storage either 
local to or NFS mounted by the Linux machine.

4. Configure some RewriteRules so that Apache on  the linux machine 
transparently proxies for requests it doesn't want to handle, and just 
passes them through to the internal HTTP server.

Note:

a. I am actively suggesting you do NOT turn ProxyRequests On or 
configure Apache to act as a general caching proxy server of the 
forward or reverse kind. Just use mod_proxy to hide your internal HTTP 
server. mod_proxy will happily proxy request as dictated by ProxyPass 
directives and RewriteRules with the [P] flag on them without having 
ProxyRequests On or your doing any other proxy server setup.

b. I am suggesting use of mod_rewrite with the [P] flag on RewriteRules 
to generate proxy requests instead of ProxyPass because it give you a 
lot more flexibility on configuring things.

Unless you have a heavily loaded site, Apache is quite capable of 
performing this sort of transparent proxying task. I regularly do this 
sort of thing with Apache servers I manage as a way of hiding internal 
servers on private IP numbers, including Zope servers, behind publicly 
visible Apache servers on public IP numbers. The residual problem that 
can arise is related to whether the proxied pages being served by the 
internal server need their HTML munged to reflect what you doing. If 
that looks to be a problem there are solutions to it of various degrees 
of ease of application. There can also be issues about whether you want 
Forwarded-For headers added and such but I am getting too far into 
detail which probably is not relevant to your problem.

Best of luck finding a solution.

On 4 Jun 2004, at 22:16, Scot Condry wrote:

> My linux box running Fedora 2 is also a firewall / router.  So it has 
> two Ethernet cards and they are assigned my static IP on the outside 
> and 192.168.1.1 on the inside.  The firewall routes port 80 traffic to 
> my windows 2000 server which is 192.168.1.105.  I already had a couple 
> of web pages that I want to keep hosted with IIS on the windows 
> server, like www.mydomain.com and somethingelse.mydomain.com.  But I 
> want the mailman stuff to show up on the outside, so I am trying to 
> route linux.mydomain.com to the linux server.  I can pretty much get 
> linux.mydomain.com/index.html to come up by redirecting the URL or A 
> Share on Another Comptuter settting in the Home Directory tab of IIS 
> but I cannot get the mailman pages to come up from the outside at all.
>
> SC
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Bob Escher [mailto:bescher at rsegroup.com]
> Sent: Fri 6/4/2004 1:06 PM
> To: Scot Condry
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Mailman with existing IIS
>
>
>
> I am doing the same thing
> with no issues
>
> What problems are you running into? I didn't see your post
>
> I am running all of my regular websites on IIS, windows 2003 servers
> my mailing lists (for each domain that needs one) is run off Linux box
> with Apache. I create a subdomain ie list.joe.com and run it that way.
>
> Bob E
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scot Condry" <Scot at JCTn.com>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 2:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Mailman with existing IIS
>
>
> Well I will definetly let people know if I figure it out.   But now I 
> am
> thinking of just running Apache and hosting my previous web pages on my
> Linux machine.  It seems hard to believe that no one has tries to do 
> what I
> am doing before, hsoting web pages on a windows machine and at the 
> same time
> hosting Mailman on a linux server.
>
> But you are saying (the faq info was a little vague) that if I use IIS 
> and
> under Home Directory tell it to go to a URL its not going to work 
> right with
> Mailman anyway?
>
> SC
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Brad Knowles [mailto:brad.knowles at skynet.be]
> Sent: Thu 6/3/2004 2:00 AM
> To: Scot Condry
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Mailman with existing IIS
>
>
>
> At 10:03 PM -0700 2004/06/02, Scot Condry wrote:
>
>>  So the only way to keep them both is to open up port 80 traffic on 
>> the
>>  linux box / router as well??
>
>         I'm not sure.  What you're trying to do is a little different,
> and may not result in the same type of problems, or might result in
> similar problems that cannot be solved the same way.
>
>         All I can suggest is that you let us know what works once you 
> find
> it.
>
> --
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat Jun  5 00:52:11 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:52:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages held in shunt and retry queue
In-Reply-To: <200406041838.03217.brian@brianyork.net>
References: <200406041646.46839.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<p0600205abce69eaaada2@[10.0.1.3]>
	<200406041838.03217.brian@brianyork.net>
Message-ID: <p0600205cbce6ad511cc7@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:38 PM -0400 2004/06/04, Brian York wrote:

>  maillog:
>  Jun  4 16:31:29 listserv postfix/smtpd[27973]: connect from
>  unknown[172.31.101.4]
>  Jun  4 16:31:29 listserv postfix/smtpd[27973]: ACE50337E2:
>  client=unknown[172.31.101.4]
>  Jun  4 16:31:29 listserv postfix/cleanup[27975]: ACE50337E2:
>  message-id=<200406041630.59748.yorkb at exchange.domain.edu>
>  Jun  4 16:31:29 listserv postfix/nqmgr[27596]: ACE50337E2:
>  from=<yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU>, size=902, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
>  Jun  4 16:31:29 listserv postfix/local[27977]: ACE50337E2:
>  to=<test at listserv.domain.edu>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent
>  ("|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post test")
>  Jun  4 16:31:29 listserv postfix/smtpd[27973]: disconnect from
>  unknown[172.31.101.4]

	This shows the message coming in.  Nothing is going to appear in 
the shunt directory unless it has already been received by Mailman, 
and is in the process of being handled to be sent back out.

	Do you have any comparable logs for the outgoing messages on the 
MTA, or connection attempts for outgoing messages?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From chrisw at cascadia.drizzle.com  Sat Jun  5 01:14:52 2004
From: chrisw at cascadia.drizzle.com (Chris Whip)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:14:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman/lynx HTML mail conversion bug
In-Reply-To: <867871E2-B675-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <B34639830A316B46B3AFC8023F3574450CBE6F@rex.JCTn.com>
	<867871E2-B675-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20040604231452.GA17994@cascadia.drizzle.com>

Hello, mailpersons.

There is a bug in Mailman and/or Lynx regarding Hotmail/MSN rich text emails.
(My setup: Mailman 2.1.5, Lynx version 2.8.4rel.1 (RH7.2, Sendmail 8.12.10))
Replication instructions (that require only a telnet client) are included below.

The Hotmail rich text editor shows up in the Hotmail mail editing facility
for Internet Explorer/Windows users. It allows the generation of HTML mail
with fonts, paragraphs, etc. When such a mail is sent to a Mailman list
with HTML->text conversion set, such mails are sent out totally blank,
and appear blank in archives. The following appears in logs/error:

Jun 04 15:39:42 2004 (4122) HTML->text/plain error: 256

This error message appears to be generated in Mailman/Handlers/MimeDel.py.
The 256 appears to be the HTML->text conversion handler's returned error code.

The handler is defined in Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py as follows:
HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND = '/usr/bin/lynx -dump %(filename)s'

When the handler is changed to /usr/bin/links, the problem does not occur,
which points to lynx being the problem. But, if you meddle with the HTML
content of the message, the problem continues to occur. This suggests that
there is something strange about the way the message is presented to Lynx,
rather than with the message itself.

I would be interested to know if anyone else is using an alternative HTML->
email conversion program. I could change over to Links, but I'm not sure
how robust it is, either.

Cheers,
-- Chris Whip

Replication instructions, as promised:
Telnet to your list server's port 25
Paste the following into the telnet session, after changing
subscriber at domain.com to the email address of a list subscriber
domain.com to that email address's domain name
testlistname at lists.domain.com to the email address of a test list with 
                              HTML->text conversion turned on

helo domain.com
mail from: subscriber at domain.com
rcpt to: testlistname at lists.domain.com
data
From: subscriber at domain.com
To: testlistname at lists.domain.com
Subject: testing rich text mail
Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="richtext.html"

<html><div style='background-color:'>Funky Rich Text email with .sig.<BR>
<DIV>This is my <FONT color=#ff0099>hotmail</FONT> .sig. There are many like it
but this one is <STRONG>mine</STRONG>. </DIV></div></html>
.





From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Sat Jun  5 02:09:25 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 09:09:25 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception
In-Reply-To: <20040604095933.675f4406@osage.osagesoftware.com>
References: <20040604095933.675f4406@osage.osagesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <40C10F35.5020604@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

David Relson wrote:

> FYI:
> 
> Jun 04 09:09:06 2004 (18876) SHUNTING:
> 1086170174.3516641+c52aafd5601316eadd825f0a9ec902c5ac8fbc7e
> Jun 04 09:09:06 2004 (18876) Uncaught runner exception: ISO-2022-JP
> encoding error: invalid character \x96

Well behaved japanese mailers do not produce such an error
and this is highly probable that it was a SPAM.
You may ignore such errors and clear the shunt directory.

Or, you can apply this patch.

Index: Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py,v
retrieving revision 2.26.2.4
diff -u -r2.26.2.4 CommandRunner.py
--- Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py	1 Dec 2003 01:52:12 -0000	2.26.2.4
+++ Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py	25 Apr 2004 04:43:06 -0000
@@ -77,7 +77,7 @@
              subj = make_header(decode_header(subj)).__unicode__()
              # Always process the Subject: header first
              self.commands.append(subj)
-        except HeaderParseError:
+        except (HeaderParseError, UnicodeError, LookupError):
              # We couldn't parse it so ignore the Subject header
              pass
          # Find the first text/plain part

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From jswartzen at despammed.com  Sat Jun  5 02:45:59 2004
From: jswartzen at despammed.com (John Swartzentruber)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:45:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman/lynx HTML mail conversion bug
In-Reply-To: <20040604231452.GA17994@cascadia.drizzle.com>
References: <B34639830A316B46B3AFC8023F3574450CBE6F@rex.JCTn.com>	<867871E2-B675-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<20040604231452.GA17994@cascadia.drizzle.com>
Message-ID: <40C117C7.30501@despammed.com>

On 6/4/2004 7:14 PM Chris Whip wrote:

>Hello, mailpersons.
>
>There is a bug in Mailman and/or Lynx regarding Hotmail/MSN rich text emails.
>(My setup: Mailman 2.1.5, Lynx version 2.8.4rel.1 (RH7.2, Sendmail 8.12.10))
>Replication instructions (that require only a telnet client) are included below.
>
>The Hotmail rich text editor shows up in the Hotmail mail editing facility
>for Internet Explorer/Windows users. It allows the generation of HTML mail
>with fonts, paragraphs, etc. When such a mail is sent to a Mailman list
>with HTML->text conversion set, such mails are sent out totally blank,
>and appear blank in archives. The following appears in logs/error:
>
>Jun 04 15:39:42 2004 (4122) HTML->text/plain error: 256
>
>This error message appears to be generated in Mailman/Handlers/MimeDel.py.
>The 256 appears to be the HTML->text conversion handler's returned error code.
>
>The handler is defined in Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py as follows:
>HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND = '/usr/bin/lynx -dump %(filename)s'
>
>When the handler is changed to /usr/bin/links, the problem does not occur,
>which points to lynx being the problem. But, if you meddle with the HTML
>content of the message, the problem continues to occur. This suggests that
>there is something strange about the way the message is presented to Lynx,
>rather than with the message itself.
>
>I would be interested to know if anyone else is using an alternative HTML->
>email conversion program. I could change over to Links, but I'm not sure
>how robust it is, either.
>
>Cheers,
>-- Chris Whip
>  
>

I think if you search the archives you'll find a solution. Here is what 
I have in my mm_cfg.py file, which would have been based on someone 
else's solution:

HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND = 'LYNX_TEMP_SPACE=/tmp /usr/bin/lynx 
-force_html -dump %(filename)s'

I think the key is setting the temp space.




From chrisw at cascadia.drizzle.com  Sat Jun  5 03:12:56 2004
From: chrisw at cascadia.drizzle.com (Chris Whip)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:12:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman/lynx HTML mail conversion bug
In-Reply-To: <40C117C7.30501@despammed.com>
References: <B34639830A316B46B3AFC8023F3574450CBE6F@rex.JCTn.com>
	<867871E2-B675-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<20040604231452.GA17994@cascadia.drizzle.com>
	<40C117C7.30501@despammed.com>
Message-ID: <20040605011256.GA31680@cascadia.drizzle.com>

On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 08:45:59PM -0400, John Swartzentruber wrote:
> I think if you search the archives you'll find a solution. Here is what 
> I have in my mm_cfg.py file, which would have been based on someone 
> else's solution:
> 
> HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND = 'LYNX_TEMP_SPACE=/tmp /usr/bin/lynx 
> -force_html -dump %(filename)s'
> 
> I think the key is setting the temp space.

That appears to be correct. Indeed, it works.

Now that I have my search terms in a row, I can find relevant posts.
I didn't get the "permission denied" errors that others received, so I
actually skipped right over some relevant articles... The other odd thing
is that it's not a problem with HTML mails from Evolution, for example.

Thanks, folks.

-- Chris

-- 
--
Chris Whip - Systems administrator, Drizzle Internet NW - chrisw at drizzle.com



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat Jun  5 03:40:21 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:40:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman/lynx HTML mail conversion
 bug
In-Reply-To: <20040605011256.GA31680@cascadia.drizzle.com>
References: <B34639830A316B46B3AFC8023F3574450CBE6F@rex.JCTn.com>
	<867871E2-B675-11D8-A383-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<20040604231452.GA17994@cascadia.drizzle.com>
	<40C117C7.30501@despammed.com>
	<20040605011256.GA31680@cascadia.drizzle.com>
Message-ID: <p06002066bce6d4bb59b2@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:12 PM -0700 2004/06/04, Chris Whip wrote:

>  Now that I have my search terms in a row, I can find relevant posts.
>  I didn't get the "permission denied" errors that others received, so I
>  actually skipped right over some relevant articles... The other odd thing
>  is that it's not a problem with HTML mails from Evolution, for example.

	In this case, could we ask you to update the FAQ with a suitable 
entry, so that if people have this problem in the future they'd be 
more likely to find a useful answer?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From bwilson at ihpva.org  Sat Jun  5 09:21:29 2004
From: bwilson at ihpva.org (Brian Wilson)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:21:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Empty module name again 
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0406050020560.21771@mars.clickshift.com>

One of my lists just up and quit on me;
looks like the problem described here

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2004-February/016511.html

I run about 20 other lists and the only one affected is the one that is
set to work in French. All the others are just fine. On June 1, mailman
stopped delivering mail on the French list. Nothing that I know of was
changed on the system. This one list just stopped delivering mail.  I
can see the MTA invoke the 'post' script and I can see the message end
up in the qfiles/shunt directory.

See trace below,,,

Currently I have mailman 2.1.5 running under python 2.3.4 and RH9 Linux
MTA is sendmail 8.12.11, webserver is Apache 2.0.40

Things I've tried already:
0. Ran check_perms.
1. Installed scrubber patch 2.1.4 and reinstalled (as per the related
     URL above)
2. Upgraded Python from RH RPM version 2.2.2 to source compiled version 2.3.4
3. Upgraded from 2.1.4 to 2.1.5 and reinstalled
4. Installed scrubber patch in 2.1.5 again and reinstalled again.

Through all this the other 20 lists apparently continue to function fine.

Here is the trace from the logs/errors

Jun 04 23:44:42 2004 (21659) Uncaught runner exception: Empty module name
Jun 04 23:44:42 2004 (21659) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in
_dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in
_dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 91, in process
    send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 132, in
send_digests
    send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 313, in
send_i18n_digests
    uh = Utils.wrap('%s: %s' % (h, oneline(msg[h], lcset)))
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 390, in oneline
    ustr = h.__unicode__()
  File "/home/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 225, in __unicode__
    uchunks.append(unicode(s, str(charset)))
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/encodings/__init__.py", line 84, in
search_function
    globals(), locals(), _import_tail)
ValueError: Empty module name

Jun 04 23:44:42 2004 (21659) SHUNTING:
1086417881.2896941+d6825c4106baed1e1951a1add26ebf40ab9b0124


Searching for the listname (vph) in logs/post shows last message was June 1.

Jun 01 06:40:48 2004 (1842) post to vph from friemel at free.fr, size=2933, message-id=
<3.0.5.32.20040601151702.00c407f0 at pop3.free.fr>, success


Thanks for any suggestions for more things I can try.

-- 
Brian Wilson
Corvallis, Oregon
541-368-4120






From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Sat Jun  5 11:57:47 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 18:57:47 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Empty module name again
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0406050020560.21771@mars.clickshift.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0406050020560.21771@mars.clickshift.com>
Message-ID: <40C1991B.1090301@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi

This patch should work.

--- ToDigest.py.orig    Sat Jun  5 18:54:11 2004
+++ ToDigest.py Sat Jun  5 18:55:22 2004
@@ -390,6 +390,6 @@
          ustr = h.__unicode__()
          oneline = UEMPTYSTRING.join(ustr.splitlines())
          return oneline.encode(cset, 'replace')
-    except (LookupError, UnicodeError):
+    except (LookupError, UnicodeError, ValueError):
          # possibly charset problem. return with undecoded string in 
one line.
          return EMPTYSTRING.join(s.splitlines())


Brian Wilson wrote:

> One of my lists just up and quit on me;
> looks like the problem described here
> 
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2004-February/016511.html
> 
> I run about 20 other lists and the only one affected is the one that is
> set to work in French. All the others are just fine. On June 1, mailman
> stopped delivering mail on the French list. Nothing that I know of was
> changed on the system. This one list just stopped delivering mail.  I
> can see the MTA invoke the 'post' script and I can see the message end
> up in the qfiles/shunt directory.
> 
> See trace below,,,
> 
> Currently I have mailman 2.1.5 running under python 2.3.4 and RH9 Linux
> MTA is sendmail 8.12.11, webserver is Apache 2.0.40
> 
> Things I've tried already:
> 0. Ran check_perms.
> 1. Installed scrubber patch 2.1.4 and reinstalled (as per the related
>      URL above)
> 2. Upgraded Python from RH RPM version 2.2.2 to source compiled version 2.3.4
> 3. Upgraded from 2.1.4 to 2.1.5 and reinstalled
> 4. Installed scrubber patch in 2.1.5 again and reinstalled again.
> 
> Through all this the other 20 lists apparently continue to function fine.
> 
> Here is the trace from the logs/errors
> 
> Jun 04 23:44:42 2004 (21659) Uncaught runner exception: Empty module name
> Jun 04 23:44:42 2004 (21659) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in
> _dispose
>     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in
> _dopipeline
>     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 91, in process
>     send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 132, in
> send_digests
>     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 313, in
> send_i18n_digests
>     uh = Utils.wrap('%s: %s' % (h, oneline(msg[h], lcset)))
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 390, in oneline
>     ustr = h.__unicode__()
>   File "/home/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 225, in __unicode__
>     uchunks.append(unicode(s, str(charset)))
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/encodings/__init__.py", line 84, in
> search_function
>     globals(), locals(), _import_tail)
> ValueError: Empty module name
> 
> Jun 04 23:44:42 2004 (21659) SHUNTING:
> 1086417881.2896941+d6825c4106baed1e1951a1add26ebf40ab9b0124
> 
> 
> Searching for the listname (vph) in logs/post shows last message was June 1.
> 
> Jun 01 06:40:48 2004 (1842) post to vph from friemel at free.fr, size=2933, message-id=
> <3.0.5.32.20040601151702.00c407f0 at pop3.free.fr>, success
> 
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions for more things I can try.
> 

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From usenetforum at gmx.net  Sat Jun  5 15:47:59 2004
From: usenetforum at gmx.net (Alex Dupont)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:47:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.1.4 failed - user lost - recover via
	backup unsuccessful - any ideas?
Message-ID: <186245213718.20040605154759@gmx.de>

Hello,


I'm a "bit" in a loss here: I was running Mailman 2.1.2 on Debian 3.0
with no problems. Using apt-get... to upgrade Mailman to 2.1.4
produced an error. Well, besides the fact that all my archives got
deleted (why would a script (!) do that??), I finally got Mailman back
up and running version 2.1.4. I had to fix a zillion permissions, and
it took me forever. Probably not a Mailman-thing, I know, and the
package-maintainer isn't my friend, I can tell you that. But the
following should be only Mailman-related:

After having fixed the web_page issue I could even access my lists.
All of them. But then the disaster: I have lost some 3.500 subscribers
in 3 different lists. Many other lists have been untouched, at least
no loss there. I do not understand why only those 3 were affected any
why anything got lost there in the first place.

The status is, that I have a config.pck that is way smaller than my
old ones in backup (e.g. 163 KB versus 533 KB). I'm missing _a lot_ of
subscribers (plus of course the fact that now there are probably
people in the list again that had unsubscribed!) and I can't recover.
Why? Well, I thought that backing up /lists would be sufficient since
all relevant data is in those files. Apparently not!? When I copy my
old config.pck to the directory, overwriting the current (new) file
(permissions set to list:list, 0660), then that file gets stripped in
size when I save and/or start qrunner again. And of course the
memberlist is still the old, small one, and interestingly enough, the
settings (web_page_url e.g.) are lost even though that file should
have the settings in it as they were obviously correct before. I do
have config.pck.tmp.XXX-files which I tried to rename to config.pck.
Again, it gets stripped down and only has a totally outdated number of
subscribers. Why would that happen? What else could I do to recover
those thousands of lost subscribers? Where _exactly_ are those
addresses actually stored? Any why doesn't this seem to be
documented somewhere? I really searched pretty much everywhere. Barry
in
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2002-August/012795.html
didn't really help me.

I really would appreciate any help I can get. My lists are not for fun
and we need them. I still don't understand why the backup doesn't
help. But maybe I'm simply missing something.

Thank you very much, a very desperate

Alex




From djmcke at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  5 17:50:33 2004
From: djmcke at yahoo.com (djmcke)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:50:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] spambot and -owner address
Message-ID: <20040605155033.96052.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com>

I know users mail addresses are hidden in the archive but what about *my* (our) addresses?
Many Mailman generated webpages have a mailto: link to the list owner.
It would be a real drag for me if a spambot harvested that address because I can't
really rename the mail address so I'd just have to put up with the spam.
I searched the archives but I didn't see any mention of this issue.
What do other people do?
TIA.

=====
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From yorkb at NKU.EDU  Sat Jun  5 23:22:00 2004
From: yorkb at NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 17:22:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages held in shunt and retry queue
In-Reply-To: <p0600205cbce6ad511cc7@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <200406041646.46839.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<200406041838.03217.brian@brianyork.net>
	<p0600205cbce6ad511cc7@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <200406051722.00010.yorkb@nku.edu>

Their is nothing else that postfix has put in the maillog besides just repeats 
of that.

Brian 

(i sent this to the list but never got the message. Sorry if its a repeat)


On Friday 04 June 2004 18:52, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 6:38 PM -0400 2004/06/04, Brian York wrote:
> >  maillog:
> >  Jun  4 16:31:29 listserv postfix/smtpd[27973]: connect from
> >  unknown[172.31.101.4]
> >  Jun  4 16:31:29 listserv postfix/smtpd[27973]: ACE50337E2:
> >  client=unknown[172.31.101.4]
> >  Jun  4 16:31:29 listserv postfix/cleanup[27975]: ACE50337E2:
> >  message-id=<200406041630.59748.yorkb at exchange.domain.edu>
> >  Jun  4 16:31:29 listserv postfix/nqmgr[27596]: ACE50337E2:
> >  from=<yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU>, size=902, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
> >  Jun  4 16:31:29 listserv postfix/local[27977]: ACE50337E2:
> >  to=<test at listserv.domain.edu>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent
> >  ("|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post test")
> >  Jun  4 16:31:29 listserv postfix/smtpd[27973]: disconnect from
> >  unknown[172.31.101.4]
>
> 	This shows the message coming in.  Nothing is going to appear in
> the shunt directory unless it has already been received by Mailman,
> and is in the process of being handled to be sent back out.
>
> 	Do you have any comparable logs for the outgoing messages on the
> MTA, or connection attempts for outgoing messages?





From barry at python.org  Sun Jun  6 00:41:37 2004
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 18:41:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.3 --> 2.1.5?
In-Reply-To: <p0600201ebce2a5aa5020@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <B1831A76DB8FF37C93953F54@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
	<p0600201abce269e64e53@[10.0.1.3]>
	<1B0EB9F6185DACBF5D2A5745@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
	<p0600201ebce2a5aa5020@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <1086475296.21649.317.camel@anthem.wooz.org>

On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 17:31, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 6:45 PM +0100 2004/06/01, Ian A B Eiloart wrote:
> 
> >  Ah, I see, so I upgrade by reinstalling. But that isn't clear from the
> >  documentation, because "as easy as" doesn't mean "is achieved by". So
> >  there's me thinking, "OK, so its easy, but how do I do it?".
> 
> 	Fair enough.  We'll have to ask Barry to update the documentation 
> to be more precise.

I've clarified that first paragraph in the UPGRADING file, although
because of SF CVS unavailability at the moment, I can't check in the
change.  Here's what it now reads:


    For the most part, upgrading Mailman entails installing the latest version
    over the existing version.  Usually, you can unpack the new release, run
    'configure' with the same options you used in your previous install, and
    then do a 'make install'.  However, there are some changes that may need
    to be taken care of manually.

Does that work for you?

> >  2. The file refers to
> >  <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-September/006826.html>.
> >  AFAICT that message is the wrong one. It doesn't relate to upgrading, and
> >  isn't from the person referenced, and its four years old.
> 
> 	Documentation bug.  Barry?

I think the note there is a red herring now.  Newer versions do a better
job of migrating the template files from older versions, so I've simply
removed that sections from the file.

Cheers,
-Barry

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From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Sun Jun  6 02:21:51 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 09:21:51 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.1.4 failed - user lost - recover
	via	backup unsuccessful - any ideas?
In-Reply-To: <186245213718.20040605154759@gmx.de>
References: <186245213718.20040605154759@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <40C2639F.2010400@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

Have you done 'bin/update' after moving the backup config.pck file
into the newly installed list directory ?

Alex Dupont wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> 
> I'm a "bit" in a loss here: I was running Mailman 2.1.2 on Debian 3.0
> with no problems. Using apt-get... to upgrade Mailman to 2.1.4
> produced an error. Well, besides the fact that all my archives got
> deleted (why would a script (!) do that??), I finally got Mailman back
> up and running version 2.1.4. I had to fix a zillion permissions, and
> it took me forever. Probably not a Mailman-thing, I know, and the
> package-maintainer isn't my friend, I can tell you that. But the
> following should be only Mailman-related:

(snip)

I think every packager should disclose their configure options so
that upgrading can be done through our source distribution and the
list dbs automatically updated !

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From bwilson at ihpva.org  Sun Jun  6 07:03:30 2004
From: bwilson at ihpva.org (Brian Wilson)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:03:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Empty module name again
In-Reply-To: <40C1991B.1090301@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0406050020560.21771@mars.clickshift.com>
	<40C1991B.1090301@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0406052201340.1096@mars.clickshift.com>

It seems to have done the trick. Thanks from me
and the 100+ members of the affected list!

Brian

On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Tokio Kikuchi wrote:

> Hi
>
> This patch should work.
>
> --- ToDigest.py.orig    Sat Jun  5 18:54:11 2004
> +++ ToDigest.py Sat Jun  5 18:55:22 2004
> @@ -390,6 +390,6 @@
>           ustr = h.__unicode__()
>           oneline = UEMPTYSTRING.join(ustr.splitlines())
>           return oneline.encode(cset, 'replace')
> -    except (LookupError, UnicodeError):
> +    except (LookupError, UnicodeError, ValueError):
>           # possibly charset problem. return with undecoded string in
> one line.
>           return EMPTYSTRING.join(s.splitlines())
>

-- 
Brian Wilson
Corvallis, Oregon
541-368-4120






From kd5de at nwla.com  Sun Jun  6 18:49:37 2004
From: kd5de at nwla.com (Mel Sojka)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 11:49:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] This I hate
Message-ID: <40C34B21.3090307@nwla.com>

Well recently I installed a second version of python and got MailMan 
2.1.4 up and running.  I did this using a post or a FAQ entry.  This was 
on a remote clients machine and I guess I left my notes there.  Whoever 
made that post about installing a second version of Python please do so 
again or point me to it in the FAQ. I need to do it again.
                                                                         
                                                         Thanks Mel

-- 
System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com
Linux User #25446    Linux 2.4.22




From mmlist at mikephillips.com  Sun Jun  6 18:58:25 2004
From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:58:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding Subs-criptions by Email Rather than Web
	Interface
References: <40C34B21.3090307@nwla.com>
Message-ID: <004501c44be7$7bb87030$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>

I posted this message before, but it was held by the administrator thinking
it was an admin request. If it ever made it to the list, I did not see it,
so I'll try again.

Is there a way to send a subs-cribe request to the list via email, or do all
of the subs-cribes have to be through the web interface? The help email
indicates that there is a subs*cribe option, but I cannot get it to work.

Excuse the hyphens -- I'm trying to outsmart the list server.




From usenetforum at gmx.net  Sun Jun  6 19:28:17 2004
From: usenetforum at gmx.net (Alex Dupont)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:28:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.1.4 failed - user lost - recover via
	backup unsuccessful - any ideas?
Message-ID: <114344841155.20040606192817@gmx.de>

Hello Tokio,


[sorry, this got only mailed to you personally; again to the list;
strange list setting btw...]

> Have you done 'bin/update' after moving the backup config.pck file
> into the newly installed list directory ?

"No updates are necessary." The more I think about it I get the
feeling that my backup-files somehow got screwed up... Still, can no
one tell me where I can at least find the subscribed addresses? That
information has to be stored _somewhere_??

> I think every packager should disclose their configure options so
> that upgrading can be done through our source distribution and the
> list dbs automatically updated !

Agreed. However, using an update script provided by the distribution -
specifically made for that application - should do _all_ the necessary
work without screwing anything up. That's how it works in about 95% of
the time. Errors can always happen. Yet it is beyond my comprehension
how any script performing an upgrade would delete any file without
making an automatic backup of it. And this has absolutely nothing to
do with the fact that one should always backup before any such
operation. Because sometimes the upgrade is performed by accident.
Believe me, that happens...

Greetings
Alex




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Mon Jun  7 01:54:18 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 08:54:18 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.1.4 failed - user lost - recover
	via	backup unsuccessful - any ideas?
In-Reply-To: <114344841155.20040606192817@gmx.de>
References: <114344841155.20040606192817@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <40C3AEAA.4020007@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>


> 
>>Have you done 'bin/update' after moving the backup config.pck file
>>into the newly installed list directory ?
> 
> 
> "No updates are necessary." The more I think about it I get the
> feeling that my backup-files somehow got screwed up... Still, can no
> one tell me where I can at least find the subscribed addresses? That
> information has to be stored _somewhere_??

Have you also tried "bin/update --force" ?

Another useful script in the bin directory may be dumpdb.
It will dump all the data in your backup file if the format is not
corrupted.

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From barry at python.org  Mon Jun  7 04:31:46 2004
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 22:31:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change language name
In-Reply-To: <p06002077bcdbbafa3621@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <40B5A17C.5050009@agenda.si>  <p06002077bcdbbafa3621@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <1086575505.21649.562.camel@anthem.wooz.org>

On Thu, 2004-05-27 at 11:35, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 10:06 AM +0200 2004/05/27, Urska Colner wrote:
> 
> >  i have just noticed on your page
> >  http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/i18n.html
> 
> 	I think the official page is actually at <http://www.list.org/i18n.html>.
> 
> >  that Slovenian (sl_SI) is written as Solvenian. please correct this.
> 
> 	However, this page has the same error.  I believe that this will 
> need to be corrected by Barry Warsaw.

Fixed in cvs.  This will be corrected on the web pages the next time I
push them out.

Thanks,
-Barry

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From bandy at cinnamon.com  Mon Jun  7 05:39:12 2004
From: bandy at cinnamon.com (Andrew Beals)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 20:39:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why is the queue runner taking 75 seconds per
	transaction?
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 06 Jun 2004 09:01:34 PDT."
	<200406061601.i56G1Ybg061441@cinnamon.com> 
Message-ID: <200406070339.i573dCRb072044@cinnamon.com>

I just installed mailman and I'm getting funny behavior in that it takes the 
queue runner 75 seconds per transaction to process.  This can't be right or a 
high-usercount mailing list wouldn't be practical.

What am I missing?


aTdHvAaNnKcSe

	Andy

ps.  A sample from /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp:
Jun 03 11:16:32 2004 (2657) <mailman.0.1086283791.96709.joust at cinnamon.com> 
smtp
 for 1 recips, completed in 75.088 seconds
Jun 03 11:17:48 2004 (2657) <mailman.0.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
smtp
 for 1 recips, completed in 75.265 seconds
Jun 03 11:19:03 2004 (2657) <mailman.1.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
smtp
 for 1 recips, completed in 75.263 seconds
Jun 03 11:20:18 2004 (2657) <mailman.2.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
smtp
 for 1 recips, completed in 75.185 seconds
Jun 03 11:21:33 2004 (2657) <mailman.3.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
smtp
 for 1 recips, completed in 75.172 seconds
Jun 03 11:22:49 2004 (2657) <mailman.4.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
smtp
 for 1 recips, completed in 75.155 seconds
Jun 03 11:24:04 2004 (2657) <mailman.5.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
smtp
 for 1 recips, completed in 75.141 seconds
Jun 03 11:25:19 2004 (2657) <mailman.6.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
smtp
 for 1 recips, completed in 75.140 seconds
Jun 03 11:26:34 2004 (2657) <mailman.7.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
smtp
 for 1 recips, completed in 75.287 seconds
Jun 03 11:27:49 2004 (2657) <mailman.8.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
smtp
 for 1 recips, completed in 75.197 seconds
Jun 03 11:29:05 2004 (2657) <mailman.9.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
smtp
 for 1 recips, completed in 75.095 seconds


-- 
The mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be lighted. - Plutarch
http://cinnamon.com/~bandy/	 DoD#1005





From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Mon Jun  7 05:57:43 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 12:57:43 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why is the queue runner taking 75 seconds per
	transaction?
In-Reply-To: <200406070339.i573dCRb072044@cinnamon.com>
References: <200406070339.i573dCRb072044@cinnamon.com>
Message-ID: <40C3E7B7.8040305@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Check your MTA for timeout parameters. ;-)

Andrew Beals wrote:

> I just installed mailman and I'm getting funny behavior in that it takes the 
> queue runner 75 seconds per transaction to process.  This can't be right or a 
> high-usercount mailing list wouldn't be practical.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
> 
> aTdHvAaNnKcSe
> 
> 	Andy
> 
> ps.  A sample from /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp:
> Jun 03 11:16:32 2004 (2657) <mailman.0.1086283791.96709.joust at cinnamon.com> 
> smtp
>  for 1 recips, completed in 75.088 seconds
> Jun 03 11:17:48 2004 (2657) <mailman.0.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
> smtp
>  for 1 recips, completed in 75.265 seconds
> Jun 03 11:19:03 2004 (2657) <mailman.1.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
> smtp
>  for 1 recips, completed in 75.263 seconds
> Jun 03 11:20:18 2004 (2657) <mailman.2.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
> smtp
>  for 1 recips, completed in 75.185 seconds
> Jun 03 11:21:33 2004 (2657) <mailman.3.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
> smtp
>  for 1 recips, completed in 75.172 seconds
> Jun 03 11:22:49 2004 (2657) <mailman.4.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
> smtp
>  for 1 recips, completed in 75.155 seconds
> Jun 03 11:24:04 2004 (2657) <mailman.5.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
> smtp
>  for 1 recips, completed in 75.141 seconds
> Jun 03 11:25:19 2004 (2657) <mailman.6.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
> smtp
>  for 1 recips, completed in 75.140 seconds
> Jun 03 11:26:34 2004 (2657) <mailman.7.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
> smtp
>  for 1 recips, completed in 75.287 seconds
> Jun 03 11:27:49 2004 (2657) <mailman.8.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
> smtp
>  for 1 recips, completed in 75.197 seconds
> Jun 03 11:29:05 2004 (2657) <mailman.9.1086284148.96771.joust at cinnamon.com> 
> smtp
>  for 1 recips, completed in 75.095 seconds
> 
> 

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From bandy at cinnamon.com  Mon Jun  7 06:01:29 2004
From: bandy at cinnamon.com (Andrew Beals)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:01:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why is the queue runner taking 75 seconds per 
	transaction?
In-Reply-To: Message from Tokio Kikuchi <tkikuchi@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> of "Mon,
	07 Jun 2004 12:57:43 +0900." <40C3E7B7.8040305@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> 
Message-ID: <200406070401.i5741Tn4073073@cinnamon.com>

Aha!  It's because I have a IPv6 address for localhost in /etc/hosts and 
that's what's timing out.  [TCP timeout]


-- 
The mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be lighted. - Plutarch
http://cinnamon.com/~bandy/	 DoD#1005





From jwt at onjapan.net  Mon Jun  7 09:02:20 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:02:20 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding Subs-criptions by Email Rather than Web
	Interface
In-Reply-To: <004501c44be7$7bb87030$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
References: <40C34B21.3090307@nwla.com>
	<004501c44be7$7bb87030$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
Message-ID: <9EBA7408-B850-11D8-B2EF-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Jun 7, 2004, at 01:58, Mike Phillips wrote:
> I posted this message before, but it was held by the administrator 
> thinking
> it was an admin request. If it ever made it to the list, I did not see 
> it,

[I responded directly to your previous posting but your mmlist alias 
seemed to reject my reply.  Perhaps you will see this in the archives.]

> Is there a way to send a subs-cribe request to the list via email, or 
> do all
> of the subs-cribes have to be through the web interface? The help email
> indicates that there is a subs*cribe option, but I cannot get it to 
> work.

Can you figure out which part is not working?  Is the mail to the 
-request address making it to Mailman?  Is ~/Commands/cmd_subscribe.py 
in place with proper permissions?  Are you sending mail with a Subject 
of the form:
   subscribe address=mike at whereever.com

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From usenetforum at gmx.net  Mon Jun  7 09:49:26 2004
From: usenetforum at gmx.net (Alex Dupont)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:49:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.1.4 failed - user lost - recover via
	backup unsuccessful - any ideas?
In-Reply-To: <40C3AEAA.4020007@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
References: <114344841155.20040606192817@gmx.de>
	<40C3AEAA.4020007@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <168396510391.20040607094926@gmx.de>

Hello,


> Have you also tried "bin/update --force" ?

I have now... It produced quite a bit of output, such as e.g.:
"Updating mailing list: LISTNAME
Updating the held requests database.  // every list
- updating old private mbox file
- updating old public mbox file
Fixing language templates: LISTNAME     // every list
[...]
updating old qfiles"

Especially the list where I have lost subscribers (most of them at
least) gave me "Your installation seems up-to-date, great!" regarding
the mbox-file. Not important (the archive), but interesting.

However, it didn't help at all. Again, it stripped the backup-file
(that I had renamed to config.pck before executing the above command)
from 533 KB to 83 KB - and still the old (no good) subscriber list.

Something that really disturbs me, is the fact that when I
rename the old file, my list settings show a status that is totally
outdated - I can tell right away by the fact that the URL is incorrect
(it had been changed to a sub-domain since with no redirect). I'm at a
point where I am almost certain that something went wrong with/during
the backup.
The only thing I don't understand is why the backup-file (even though
it contains some old settings) has a significantly bigger size than
the one created now when I start the qrunner (or doing /bin/update).
But maybe one of my assumptions is incorrect: I thought till now that
the fact that it has a bigger size is connected with the fact that the
subscriber list is much bigger than in/with the smaller, new
config.pck. But maybe that doesn't have anything to do with it? Yet I
have lists with 15 subscribers and there my config.pck has like 4 KB.
So it should be connected?

> Another useful script in the bin directory may be dumpdb.
> It will dump all the data in your backup file if the format is not
> corrupted.

Doing "perl dumpdb /var/lib/mailman/lists/LISTNAME/config.pck" prints
the following error:
"Traceback (most recent[...]):
   File "dumpdb", line 134, in ?
     msg = main()
   File "dumpdb", line 126, in main
     m = pickle.load(open(filename))
EOFError"

Now this doesn't really help me. Except that something is definitely
wrong. :-) 

Thank you very much for your efforts, I really appreciate it!

Greetings
Alex




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Mon Jun  7 10:05:52 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 17:05:52 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.1.4 failed - user lost - recover
	via	backup unsuccessful - any ideas?
In-Reply-To: <168396510391.20040607094926@gmx.de>
References: <114344841155.20040606192817@gmx.de>	<40C3AEAA.4020007@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
	<168396510391.20040607094926@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <40C421E0.8080208@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi again.

>>Have you also tried "bin/update --force" ?

> However, it didn't help at all. Again, it stripped the backup-file
> (that I had renamed to config.pck before executing the above command)
> from 533 KB to 83 KB - and still the old (no good) subscriber list.

I guess there is config.pck.last and mailman fallbacks to it knowing
the backup config.pck is corrupted.

> Doing "perl dumpdb /var/lib/mailman/lists/LISTNAME/config.pck" prints
> the following error:
> "Traceback (most recent[...]):
>    File "dumpdb", line 134, in ?
>      msg = main()
>    File "dumpdb", line 126, in main
>      m = pickle.load(open(filename))
> EOFError"

Hey! perl won't do the job, python do. Hmm, but the traceback says your
config.pck is broken. You should use 'cat' or 'od' to read what your
config.pck really has.

> Now this doesn't really help me. Except that something is definitely
> wrong. :-) 

Sorry, but something is definitely wrong!

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Mon Jun  7 10:39:56 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 09:39:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I update 2.1.3 --> 2.1.5?
In-Reply-To: <1086475296.21649.317.camel@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <B1831A76DB8FF37C93953F54@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>	
	<p0600201abce269e64e53@[10.0.1.3]>	
	<1B0EB9F6185DACBF5D2A5745@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>	
	<p0600201ebce2a5aa5020@[10.0.1.3]>
	<1086475296.21649.317.camel@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <40B718FDD76D4869489E888F@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>

--On Saturday, June 5, 2004 6:41 pm -0400 Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> 
wrote:
.
.
.
>
> I've clarified that first paragraph in the UPGRADING file, although
> because of SF CVS unavailability at the moment, I can't check in the
> change.  Here's what it now reads:
>
>
>     For the most part, upgrading Mailman entails installing the latest
> version     over the existing version.  Usually, you can unpack the new
> release, run     'configure' with the same options you used in your
> previous install, and     then do a 'make install'.  However, there are
> some changes that may need     to be taken care of manually.
>
> Does that work for you?

Looks good to me. Thanks.

>> >  2. The file refers to
>> >  <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-September/006826
>> >  .html>. AFAICT that message is the wrong one. It doesn't relate to
>> >  upgrading, and isn't from the person referenced, and its four years
>> >  old.
>>
>> 	Documentation bug.  Barry?
>
> I think the note there is a red herring now.  Newer versions do a better
> job of migrating the template files from older versions, so I've simply
> removed that sections from the file.
>
> Cheers,
> -Barry
>

cheers!

-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS




From ricci at ksolutions.it  Mon Jun  7 10:17:36 2004
From: ricci at ksolutions.it (Guido Ricci)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:17:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving lists to another host
Message-ID: <F26DF8E44881D54EBD349BACDCDEA5D501204D@kmail.ksolutions.it>



Hello all,

I am in the process of moving Mailman lists to another host.

Firstly, I created the new mailing list and import existing configurations, archives and members 
into the mailing list on the new host, but I lost members options.

Is there a simple method in order to transfer the members options beyond to manual copy?


Many thanks.

--
-- GUIDO RICCI
-- Mail: ricci at ksolutions.it





From usenetforum at gmx.net  Mon Jun  7 11:11:55 2004
From: usenetforum at gmx.net (Alex Dupont)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:11:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.1.4 failed - user lost - recover via
	backup unsuccessful - any ideas?
In-Reply-To: <40C421E0.8080208@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
References: <114344841155.20040606192817@gmx.de>
	<40C3AEAA.4020007@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
	<168396510391.20040607094926@gmx.de>
	<40C421E0.8080208@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <134401458967.20040607111155@gmx.de>

Hi,


sorry for this rather long email, but I made some observations, see
below.

> I guess there is config.pck.last and mailman fallbacks to it knowing
> the backup config.pck is corrupted.

Anticipating that, I had deleted the .last-file, even replaced them
with the backup-file. No difference.

>> Doing "perl dumpdb /var/lib/mailman/lists/LISTNAME/config.pck" prints
>> the following error:
>> "Traceback (most recent[...]):
>>    File "dumpdb", line 134, in ?
>>      msg = main()
>>    File "dumpdb", line 126, in main
>>      m = pickle.load(open(filename))
>> EOFError"

> Hey! perl won't do the job, python do.

Ups. :-) It didn't really change anything, though... (interesting
actually). Still gives me the same error message.

> Hmm, but the traceback says your config.pck is broken. You should
> use 'cat' or 'od' to read what your config.pck really has.

"od" gives me an almost endless list of 9 columns with numbers. The
first column has 7 digits, the rest 6. At the end it sort of runs out.
Example:

"...
2021620 063060 063143 060543 061544 063065 031542 033065 052562
2021640 000125 052400 065420 061565 062550 057562 062147 063500"
2021660 074155 062056 000145
2021665"

"cat" on the other hand gives me an endless list (eventually crashing
my Putty...) of email-addresses, separated by a combination of letters
and numbers (I guess the encrypted passwords?), everything without any
spaces.
I searched for some of those addresses in the current (short) member
list and, surprise, some addresses were not found! Meaning that this
file in fact contains the list of addresses that should be in the
config.pck (but are not)! I am sort of relieved to see that the
addresses are not entirely lost... Yet I have to manage to extract
them somehow from that file and input them again.

Is there any way to extract the addresses with some sort of script
maybe and output them to a file that can then be used to reimport them
to the unbroken (new) config.pck? I see a problem because of the fact
that the password-sequences are directly connected to the addresses -
that way, it seems to me, it will be impossible to tell the difference
when an address starts and when it ends (and the password begins/ends).
Although, I just noticed that the password seems to always start with
a minor "r" and ends with a capital "U". I don't know if that goes for
every of those passwords.
I don't really know anything about writing scripts etc. so there is no
way that I can write something like that myself. Anybody here who
could and would do that for me?

Since "cat" ultimately crashed my Putty I can't see any obvious
errors. "od" just printed that list, neatly, with no interruptions
that I could see. So I have no idea what the problem is. Also, the
error message that dumpdb gives me doesn't tell _me_ anything. Anyone
any idea what it means? That would probably help narrow down the
problem.

You know what? I think I just noticed something! Looking at the
passwords (assuming those are encrypted passwords) I noticed some
characters that reminded me of an error when I try to backup stuff
with RAR. Those characters are such as "?", "?", "%", "?" and so on
(hoping that they will be displayed correctly with everybody). I
have the feeling that they have nothing to do with a legitimate
encoding of plain-text letter-passwords! If this is the problem, then
the list might simply not be able to be read by any import-script, or
whatever is accessing that file, because of those characters. If we
could either replace those characters (if they are in fact
illegitimate, there) or at least get rid of them, maybe dumping the
entire password information (probably = extracting the addresses),
then we probably solved the problem. Hey, guys, I think this is kind
of exiting! :-)

> Sorry, but something is definitely wrong!

No kidding! :-) But we're getting there! I'm positive that we can sort
this out. If we manage to, I would really suggest that this procedure
is documented somewhere so it can maybe save some severe headaches for
other people!

Greetings
Alex




From mailman at pms.informatik.uni-muenchen.de  Mon Jun  7 11:30:22 2004
From: mailman at pms.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Martin)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 11:30:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to in umbrella lists
Message-ID: <40C435AE.1010608@pms.informatik.uni-muenchen.de>


Hello,

is it possible to change "dynamicly" the "Reply-to"-Field to the mail address
of the umbrella list when the mail is sent to the umbrella list and not
directly to the sublist ?

That is what I mean:

here is the normal case when I send the mail directly to the sublist:

Subject: [sublist] testmail1
From: testuser at domain
Reply-To: sublist at domain
To: sublist at domain


here is what I get when using the umbrella list:

Subject: [sublist] [umbrellalist] testmail2
From: testuser at domain
Reply-To: sublist at domain
To: umbrellalist at domain


but this whould be much better:

Subject: [sublist] [umbrellalist] testmail3
From: testuser at domain
Reply-To: umbrellalist at domain
To: umbrellalist at domain


Thank you

Martin




From nlance at hal-pc.org  Mon Jun  7 13:28:14 2004
From: nlance at hal-pc.org (Nick Lance)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:28:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing e-mails
Message-ID: <000b01c44c82$87e1d400$0201a8c0@halpc.org>

I am a volunteer that maintains a Mailman e-mail list for a high school
band, i.e., I'm not very knowledgeable about Mailman.

I am having a problem with Mailman, in that about a week ago, the postings
made to the list started bouncing.  First, it seemed that a few of the
addresses bounced, then more and more.  Now, about 5 people out of 350 are
actually getting the e-mail, the rest are bouncing.  Some addresses have
been disabled.  My host reset the disabled setting so that no more are
getting disabled, but all the e-mail messages are still bouncing.

Things I've tried:  I deleted the list and started a list with the same
name, just in case some of the settings had been corrupted.  That didn't
help.   I started a new list with a new name and just signed up myself and
my husband.  I was able to post a message to us successfully.  I then signed
up all the other members.  When I sent out a message to the list then, it
bounced.  I tried deleting members, 50 at a time, to see if the list had
gotten too large, but that didn't help.

I'd appreciate some help, if you have any ideas.





From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Mon Jun  7 14:35:12 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 21:35:12 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.1.4 failed - user lost - recover
	via	backup unsuccessful - any ideas?
In-Reply-To: <134401458967.20040607111155@gmx.de>
References: <114344841155.20040606192817@gmx.de>	<40C3AEAA.4020007@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>	<168396510391.20040607094926@gmx.de>	<40C421E0.8080208@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
	<134401458967.20040607111155@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <40C46100.40706@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi, it's time to go to bed here in Japan. ;-)

>>Hmm, but the traceback says your config.pck is broken. You should
>>use 'cat' or 'od' to read what your config.pck really has.
> 
> 
> "od" gives me an almost endless list of 9 columns with numbers. The

(snip)
then how about 'strings' ?

Other useful tool may be bin/check_db. Use -h option for usage.

If the .pck file is really a pickle file and not broken, following
operations give you no error. I suspect the package maintainer
had done something to the DB structure.

mailman% cd <prefix>/lists/<listname>
mailman% cp <prefix>/bin/paths.py .
mailman% python
Python 2.2.3 (#1, Jun 23 2003, 15:54:19)
[GCC 2.95.4 20020320 [FreeBSD]] on freebsd4
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
 >>> import paths
 >>> import pickle
 >>> x = pickle.load(file('config.pck'))
 >>> print x  (.... gives you contents of database)

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From schragg at sparcc.org  Mon Jun  7 14:55:01 2004
From: schragg at sparcc.org (John Schragg)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 08:55:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Members not showing up!
Message-ID: <E3713B44-B881-11D8-8100-000A956F3080@sparcc.org>

My members list never shows anyone else as a member except the 
administrator. Also when a person subscribes. They never get any email 
back saying that they are now a member......WHAT IS GOING ON?
Thanks....John (SPARCC)




From adebara at worldnet.att.net  Fri Jun  4 20:07:41 2004
From: adebara at worldnet.att.net (Dele Adebara)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:07:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAIL MAN
Message-ID: <000801c44a5e$dea8c440$b9994b0c@k8t2f0>

Gentlemen,
I was at the site of the Mail Man today and I am impressed.  I have just completed building my web site, looking for a  mailing list manager, and I think Mail Man is perfect for what I am looking for.  However, I have a few questions.
1.  Is there any limit to the number of e mails that can be stored in Mail Man?
2.  If I want to use Mail Man for capturing the e mail of my subscribers and sending out the newsletter, can other features of Mail Man be disabled?
3.  I am not a computer tech, is it possible for me to install Mail Man on my own?
4.  If I need help to install and configure Mail Man, where can I get the help, and how much will it cost me?
Thanks.
Sincerely yours
Dele Adebara

From brian at brianyork.net  Sat Jun  5 00:38:03 2004
From: brian at brianyork.net (Brian York)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:38:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages held in shunt and retry queue
In-Reply-To: <p0600205abce69eaaada2@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <200406041646.46839.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<p0600205abce69eaaada2@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <200406041838.03217.brian@brianyork.net>

maillog:
Jun  4 16:31:29 listserv postfix/smtpd[27973]: connect from 
unknown[172.31.101.4]
Jun  4 16:31:29 listserv postfix/smtpd[27973]: ACE50337E2: 
client=unknown[172.31.101.4]
Jun  4 16:31:29 listserv postfix/cleanup[27975]: ACE50337E2: 
message-id=<200406041630.59748.yorkb at exchange.domain.edu>
Jun  4 16:31:29 listserv postfix/nqmgr[27596]: ACE50337E2: 
from=<yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU>, size=902, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Jun  4 16:31:29 listserv postfix/local[27977]: ACE50337E2: 
to=<test at listserv.domain.edu>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
("|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post test")
Jun  4 16:31:29 listserv postfix/smtpd[27973]: disconnect from 
unknown[172.31.101.4]



On Friday 04 June 2004 17:48, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 4:46 PM -0400 2004/06/04, Brian York wrote:
> >  i have messages held in qfiles/shunt/ directory and qfiles/retry/ and i
> > am getting this error in log/mailman/
> >
> >  Jun 04 16:41:03 2004 (27520) delivery to yorkb at exchange.*domain*.edu
> > failed with code -1: (111, 'Connection refused')
> >
> >  Anyone know what is causing this?
>
> 	Sounds like the MTA is refusing the connection.  Do you have any
> data in the MTA logs to compare with?

-- 
Brian York
859-448-8321
brian at brianyork.net
www.brianyork.net



From djmcke at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 16:15:12 2004
From: djmcke at yahoo.com (djmcke)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:15:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] default_member_moderation and add_members
Message-ID: <20040607141512.9339.qmail@web12205.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all, I have the option: 
    
    default_member_moderation (privacy): By default, should new list member postings be moderated?

Set to "yes" but when I added a bunch of users with the add_members script
they showed up at unmoderated.  Is this a bug or an I using it wrong (or expecting
it to work the wrong why)?
Thanks.

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From J.OReilly at uws.edu.au  Sun Jun  6 07:53:35 2004
From: J.OReilly at uws.edu.au (JOHN O'REILLY)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:53:35 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GNU Mailman & MS Exchange
Message-ID: <646E00D4892B514C9C3EFB89FFC9EF8059BD5E@OTTO.AD.UWS.EDU.AU>

Hello Folks,
 
I have checked the GNU Mailman FAQ and see no mention of whether or not
GNU Mailman will work with MS EXchange.
The question is has anyone tried any level of 'integration' with these
two products.
 
Thanks
 
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From Kamal.Ahmed at esecurity.net  Fri Jun  4 18:08:27 2004
From: Kamal.Ahmed at esecurity.net (Kamal Ahmed)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:08:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + sendmail configuration help needed
Message-ID: <5513C07DE400274F9D90FF87B861873F351069@va-ex01>

Hi,
 
I am trying to setup mailman with sendmail , and it does not seem to
work, i.e , it does not even send out e-mail after I create a list, and
i should be able to subscribe to a list as well using reply to the
mailman e-mail.
 
- version of mailman i am running= mailman-2.1-8
- how it was installed (during fresh install of redhat 9, i choose ALL
packages),
- version of OS your server is running = redhat 9
- MTA (sendmail)

Any help would be appreciated.
 
Thanks,
 
 
Kamal Ahmed
Sr. Test Engineer
e-Security, Inc.
Enterprise Security Management
1921 Gallows Road, Suite 700
Vienna, VA 22182
phone: 703-852-8055
fax: 703-852-8010
 


From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Mon Jun  7 16:27:40 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:27:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + sendmail configuration help needed
In-Reply-To: <5513C07DE400274F9D90FF87B861873F351069@va-ex01>
References: <5513C07DE400274F9D90FF87B861873F351069@va-ex01>
Message-ID: <20040607142740.GJ4745@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Hash: SHA1

Kamal Ahmed wrote:
> I am trying to setup mailman with sendmail , and it does not seem to
> work, i.e , it does not even send out e-mail after I create a list,
> and i should be able to subscribe to a list as well using reply to
> the mailman e-mail.
>
> - version of mailman i am running= mailman-2.1-8
> - how it was installed (during fresh install of redhat 9, i choose
> ALL packages),
> - version of OS your server is running = redhat 9
> - MTA (sendmail)

The first thing you should do is update all the errata on the box.
The stock mailman rpm from redhat 9 is badly broken and there is an
updated rpm that corrects the problems.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
Hell is paved with good samaritans.
    -- William M. Holden

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From djmcke at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 16:30:52 2004
From: djmcke at yahoo.com (djmcke)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:30:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: spambot and -owner address
Message-ID: <20040607143052.96384.qmail@web12207.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all, 

I posted:

> I know users mail addresses are hidden in the archive but what about *my* (our) addresses?
> Many Mailman generated webpages have a mailto: link to the list owner.
> It would be a real drag for me if a spambot harvested that address because I can't
> really rename the mail address so I'd just have to put up with the spam.
> I searched the archives but I didn't see any mention of this issue.

I figured out a solution to my problem.  Open source rocks.
I added two links in file htmlformat.py starting around line 217...

class Link:
    def __init__(self, href, text, target=None):
        self.href = href
        self.text = text
        self.target = target

    def Format(self, indent=0):
        texpr = ""
        if self.target != None:
            texpr = ' target="%s"' % self.target
        if self.href.find('mailto') == 0:   # NEW
                return '[mail address hidden from spambots]' # NEW
        return '<a href="%s"%s>%s</a>' % (HTMLFormatObject(self.href, indent),
                                          texpr,
                                          HTMLFormatObject(self.text, indent))

This hides most of the mailto's on my site.
I also use the admin interface to change the "info" page for each
list to remove the mailto's.

A more elegant patch would use the obfuscate mail addresses option to see
if this should be done.

Hope this helps somebody.

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From me at danray.net  Mon Jun  7 17:15:31 2004
From: me at danray.net (Dan Ray)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 11:15:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation help--Dumb Apache problem
Message-ID: <1086621331.26878.61.camel@localhost>

Morning!

I want to install the Mailman CGIs in a virtualhost under Apache, and it
won't go. The v-host gives me a 500 on a "Hello World" Perl script in
both the Mailman ScriptAlias directory as well as the cgi-bin.

Setting a ScriptAlias to the $dir/mailman/cgi-bin in the main host on
the server works great. So it's something bad about my virtual server
config, but damned if I can see what.


Expurgated section of httpd.conf follows:

<VirtualHost xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:80>
    SSLDisable
    User           username
    Group          mailman
    ServerName     my.domain.com
    ServerAdmin    me at my.domain.com
    DocumentRoot   /home/username/www/le
    Options        FollowSymlinks Indexes
    ScriptAlias    /mailman/  "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"
    ScriptAlias    /cgi-bin/ "/home/username/www/cgi-bin/"
    <Directory /home/username/www/cgi-bin>
        AllowOverride None
        Options None
        Order allow,deny
        Allow from all
    </Directory>
   <Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin>
        AllowOverride None
        Options None
        Order allow,deny
        Allow from all
    </Directory>
    CustomLog     
/usr/local/apache/logs/username/my.domain.com-access_log combined
    ErrorLog      
/usr/local/apache/logs/username/my.domain.com-error_log
</VirtualHost>

Thanks for any help you can offer!

-- 
"Do or do not. There is no try."
           --Yoda




From matthias-ml at hadez.dyndns.org  Mon Jun  7 18:40:24 2004
From: matthias-ml at hadez.dyndns.org (Matthias Rieber)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:40:24 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] header as text and message as attachemt
Message-ID: <.127.0.0.1.1086626424.squirrel@www.sucksass.de>

Hi,

when I add a header to the message, the message will be send as
attachemnt. The message is *not* html. It looks like this:

...
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:31:18 +0200 (CEST)
                                                                                                 Message-ID:
<Pine.LNX.4.60.0406071828190.18605 at tld.de>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED;
    BOUNDARY="-1521340903-909602307-1086625878=:18605"
From: xxx.xx
Subject: test 1 2 3
X-BeenThere: xxx.xx
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4
Precedence: list
Reply-To: lists at xxx
Cc: news at air2mp3.net
To: Matthias Rieber <matthias at xxx.xx>
Sender: news-bounces at xxx.xx

  This message is in MIME format.  The first part should be readable text,
  while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

---1521340903-909602307-1086625878=:18605
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: inline

Hallo Matthias Rieber,


---1521340903-909602307-1086625878=:18605
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE

test umlaut =F6=E4=FC
---1521340903-909602307-1086625878=:18605--


I was using the same config, except security updates (Debian Woody), some
month ago without any problems. I switched from pine 4.51 to 4.60. But I
tried the old version again, still the same problem.

Any Ideas?

regards,

matthias



From sean at sweetbourbon.com  Mon Jun  7 20:52:28 2004
From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:52:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving lists to another host
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0406071449080.28861@seyyav.pair.com>


> I am in the process of moving Mailman lists to another host.
>
> Firstly, I created the new mailing list and import existing
> configurations, archives and members into the mailing list on the new
> host, but I lost members options.
>
> Is there a simple method in order to transfer the members options beyond
> to manual copy?

If you can get the config.pck file from your old host you can preserve the
member options at the new host.  Some manual changes by the new host will
need to be made regarding the list URLs and hostnames.

Sean



From relson at osagesoftware.com  Mon Jun  7 22:01:08 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:01:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gaaghh!  I broke my 2.1.15 installation
Message-ID: <20040607160108.5d2cb672@osage.osagesoftware.com>

Hi,

I rebuilt mailman-2.1.5 to apply a patch (to handle UnicodeError in
CodeRunner.py and ToDigest.py).  AFAIK, I didn't change anything else. 
Now it's b0rked and I don't see why.

In a nutshell, when I go to my
http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/admin/mylist, I get:

IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error'

FWIW, googling for the problem turns up a couple of other lists that are
(or have been) b0rked in the same manner.

Assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

David

### Here are the relevant permissions ###

drwxrwsr-x  2 root mailman  4096 Jun  4 09:08 /var/lib/mailman/logs/
-rw-rw-r--  1 root mailman 33360 Jun  4 09:09
/var/lib/mailman/logs/error

### How I have it configured ###

GID="mailman"
LIBDIR="/usr/local/mailman"
STATEDIR="/var/mailman"

./configure \
    --prefix=$LIBDIR \
    --with-var-prefix=$STATEDIR \
    --with-mail-gid=$GID \
    --with-cgi-gid=apache \
    --with-username=mailman \
    --with-groupname=mailman \
    --with-mailhost=mail.example.com \
    --with-urlhost=www.example.com

### Here's the error screen ###

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 68, in run_main
    immediate=1)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in
__init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49, in
__init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67, in __get_f
    1)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 566, in open
    file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error'


Python information:

Variable	Value
sys.version	2.3.3 (#2, Feb 17 2004, 11:45:40) [GCC 3.3.2 (Mandrake Linux
10.0 3.3.2-6mdk)]
sys.executable	/usr/bin/python
sys.prefix	/usr
sys.exec_prefix	/usr
sys.path	/usr
sys.platform	linux2

Environment variables:

Variable	Value
SERVER_SOFTWARE 	Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/2.0.48 (Mandrake
Linux/6.1.100mdk) PHP/4.3.4
SCRIPT_NAME 	/mailman/admin
SERVER_SIGNATURE 	
Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/2.0.48 (Mandrake Linux/6.1.100mdk)
PHP/4.3.4 Server at www.domain.com Port 80
REQUEST_METHOD 	GET
PATH_INFO 	/mailman
SERVER_PROTOCOL 	HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING 	
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 	us-ascii,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
HTTP_USER_AGENT 	Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6)
Gecko/20040115 Galeon/1.3.12
HTTP_CONNECTION 	close
SERVER_NAME 	www.domain.com
REMOTE_ADDR 	10.2.3.4
PATH_TRANSLATED 	/var/www/domain/html/mailman
SERVER_PORT 	80
SERVER_ADDR 	10.2.3.4
DOCUMENT_ROOT 	/var/www/domain/html
PYTHONPATH 	/usr/lib/mailman
SCRIPT_FILENAME 	/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
SERVER_ADMIN 	root at localhost
HTTP_HOST 	www.domain.com
HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL 	max-age=0
REQUEST_URI 	/mailman/admin/mailman
HTTP_ACCEPT 
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/pla
in;q=0.8,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 	CGI/1.1
REMOTE_PORT 	59320
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 	en 



From relson at osagesoftware.com  Mon Jun  7 23:29:03 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:29:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gaaghh!  I broke my 2.1.15 installation
In-Reply-To: <20040607160108.5d2cb672@osage.osagesoftware.com>
References: <20040607160108.5d2cb672@osage.osagesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <20040607172903.02368be5@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:01:08 -0400
David Relson wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I rebuilt mailman-2.1.5 to apply a patch (to handle UnicodeError in
> CodeRunner.py and ToDigest.py).  AFAIK, I didn't change anything else.
> 
> Now it's b0rked and I don't see why.
> 
> In a nutshell, when I go to my
> http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/admin/mylist, I get:
> 
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error'
> 
> FWIW, googling for the problem turns up a couple of other lists that
> are(or have been) b0rked in the same manner.
> 
> Assistance would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> David

Found the solution!  All is now well. 

"check_perms" found approx 2000 files having permissions it didn't like
and "check_perms -f" fixed them.  Mostly it was gid "root" vs "mailman".

Regards,

David

P.S.  Info posted so that search engines can find it and help the next
person
who makes the same mistake.



From taedie at moonshinemanor.org  Mon Jun  7 23:31:30 2004
From: taedie at moonshinemanor.org (taedie at moonshinemanor.org)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:31:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm_cfg?
Message-ID: <001201c44cd6$ce5c6310$0a64a8c0@Evil>


I will be honest -- I have no idea what any of the following means... all I know is, it's not working properly! I am fairly confident that I didn't do anything special to cause it happen. If you have any idea how to fix it, I'd love to know.

Much appreciated,

Taedie

Bug in Mailman version <undetermined>

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/driver", line 115, in print_traceback
    from Mailman.mm_cfg import VERSION
ImportError: No module named mm_cfg




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Python information:
      Variable Value 
      sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) [GCC 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-4)]  
      sys.executable /usr/bin/python2  
      sys.prefix /usr  
      sys.exec_prefix /usr  
      sys.path /usr  
      sys.platform linux2  
    


From relson at osagesoftware.com  Tue Jun  8 00:00:11 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:00:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm_cfg?
In-Reply-To: <001201c44cd6$ce5c6310$0a64a8c0@Evil>
References: <001201c44cd6$ce5c6310$0a64a8c0@Evil>
Message-ID: <20040607180011.0510a4ec@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:31:30 -0400
taedie at moonshinemanor.org wrote:

> 
> I will be honest -- I have no idea what any of the following means...
> all I know is, it's not working properly! I am fairly confident that I
> didn't do anything special to cause it happen. If you have any idea
> how to fix it, I'd love to know.
> 
> Much appreciated,
> 
> Taedie
> 
> Bug in Mailman version <undetermined>
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
> of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
> happened. Thanks! 
> 
> Traceback:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/driver", line 115,
>   in print_traceback
>     from Mailman.mm_cfg import VERSION
> ImportError: No module named mm_cfg
> 

FWIW, my mail server has two files matching that name, with one being a
symlink.  What've you got?

### locate mm_cfg
/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.pyc

### ls -l /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py*
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root      23 Jun  6 07:59
/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py -> ../../../../etc/mailman
-rw-r--r--  1 root mailman 1521 Jun  7 17:13
/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.pyc

### ls -l /etc/mailman
-rw-r--r--  1 root mailman 3357 Jun  7 15:43 /etc/mailman



From david at midrange.com  Tue Jun  8 01:34:39 2004
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:34:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Surpress probe messages?
Message-ID: <ca2u2k$ovg$1@sea.gmane.org>

Anyone know if there is a way to suppress the probe messages that go out 
when a subscriber starts bouncing?

Thanks!

david


--
When you know a thing, to hold that you know it; and when you do not 
know a thing, to allow that you do not know it - this is knowledge.
-Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC), The Confucian Analects




From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue Jun  8 03:05:40 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:05:40 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation help--Dumb Apache problem
In-Reply-To: <1086621331.26878.61.camel@localhost>
References: <1086621331.26878.61.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <F57DDC7A-B8E7-11D8-8697-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Jun 8, 2004, at 00:15, Dan Ray wrote:

> I want to install the Mailman CGIs in a virtualhost under Apache, and 
> it
> won't go. The v-host gives me a 500 on a "Hello World" Perl script in
> both the Mailman ScriptAlias directory as well as the cgi-bin.
[...]
>    <Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin>
>         AllowOverride None
>         Options None

This is more of an Apache question than Mailman... but don't you need 
(at least) the 'ExecCGI' option on that directory?


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue Jun  8 03:08:53 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:08:53 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] default_member_moderation and add_members
In-Reply-To: <20040607141512.9339.qmail@web12205.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040607141512.9339.qmail@web12205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <686FAEEF-B8E8-11D8-8697-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Jun 7, 2004, at 23:15, djmcke wrote:
> Hi all, I have the option:
>
>     default_member_moderation (privacy): By default, should new list 
> member postings be moderated?
>
> Set to "yes" but when I added a bunch of users with the add_members 
> script
> they showed up at unmoderated.  Is this a bug or an I using it wrong 
> (or expecting
> it to work the wrong why)?
>
FWIW I just tried with Mailman 2.1.5 and the newly added members had 
their personal moderation flags set as expected.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue Jun  8 03:27:20 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:27:20 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Surpress probe messages?
In-Reply-To: <ca2u2k$ovg$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <ca2u2k$ovg$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <FCC420DC-B8EA-11D8-8697-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Jun 8, 2004, at 08:34, David Gibbs wrote:

> Anyone know if there is a way to suppress the probe messages that go 
> out when a subscriber starts bouncing?

If you want to just immediately remove a member when they exceed their 
bounce threshold, you can set the bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to 0 
on the Bounce processing administrative page.

Or if you want them to stay on the list, you could set the warning 
interval to be a very large number of days... so they effectively never 
get probed.

Or, you could change mailman's crontab so that it doesn't run the 
cron/disabled script.  (Or runs it only for specified lists, depending 
on your goal.)

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From rkpn at british-genealogy.com  Tue Jun  8 04:17:27 2004
From: rkpn at british-genealogy.com (Rod Neep)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:17:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change language name
In-Reply-To: <1086575505.21649.562.camel@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <40B5A17C.5050009@agenda.si> <p06002077bcdbbafa3621@[10.0.1.3]>
	<1086575505.21649.562.camel@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <lX1omTI3GSxAFAm6@btconnect.com>

In message <1086575505.21649.562.camel at anthem.wooz.org>, Barry Warsaw 
<barry at python.org> writes
>>      However, this page has the same error.  I believe that this will
>> need to be corrected by Barry Warsaw.
>
>Fixed in cvs.  This will be corrected on the web pages the next time I 
>push them out.

Barry... Is there a chance, please! .... ;-)
That we can also have English (UK) as well as English (US) as an option?

I'm not asking for a different language! ;-)
Its just that running British mailing lists, I get some interesting 
comments from users.

Thanks
Rod
-- 
Rod Neep
Archive CD Books : http://www.archivecdbooks.org
British-Genealogy: http://www.british-genealogy.com



From yorkb at NKU.EDU  Tue Jun  8 05:30:56 2004
From: yorkb at NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:30:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages held in shunt and retry queue
In-Reply-To: <200406041646.46839.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
References: <200406041646.46839.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <200406072330.56997.yorkb@nku.edu>

Figured this out. I have postfix setup to accept connection on the ip address 
of eth0 and when i copied the config files from the test server to the new 
one i didn't setup the host file. Which had the dns name pointing back to the 
loopback instead of the real ip address. 

Would their be any performance loss by having mailman send through the ip 
address of eth0 instead of the loopback?

Brian


On Friday 04 June 2004 16:46, Brian York wrote:
> i have messages held in qfiles/shunt/ directory and qfiles/retry/ and i am
> getting this error in log/mailman/
>
> Jun 04 16:41:03 2004 (27520) delivery to yorkb at exchange.*domain*.edu failed
> with code -1: (111, 'Connection refused')
>
> Anyone know what is causing this?
>
> Thanks
> Brian
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

-- 
Brian York
Server Group
Information Technology
Northern Kentucky University
yorkb at exchange.nku.edu



From usenetforum at gmx.net  Tue Jun  8 08:47:51 2004
From: usenetforum at gmx.net (Alex Dupont)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:47:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.1.4 failed - user lost - recover via
	backup unsuccessful - any ideas?
In-Reply-To: <40C46100.40706@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
References: <114344841155.20040606192817@gmx.de>
	<40C3AEAA.4020007@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
	<168396510391.20040607094926@gmx.de>
	<40C421E0.8080208@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
	<134401458967.20040607111155@gmx.de>
	<40C46100.40706@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <129479215164.20040608084751@gmx.de>

Hi,


> then how about 'strings' ?

Email-Addresses. A lot of them, although I can't see how many. But I
fear something is not right as it (partly) looks as follows:

---
email0 at address0.comr
kJVe0ZnAr
email at address.comr
John Doe
email2 at address2.comr U
Jane Doe
email3 at address3.comr!U
Janis Doe
l Elikarar"U
email4 at address4.comr6U
Jim Doe
llerr7U
email5 at address5.comr8U
Jack Doer9U
U&email6 at address6.comr:U
Joey Doer;U
---

The structure is obvious. But I don't understand why sometimes
there is only the address and sometimes it begins with e.g. "U&"
and/or the name also sometimes has an "rXU"-combination attached to
it. Some passwords are encrypted (at the beginning of the list), some
addresses don't have any pw (which is fine AFAIK as that comes from
old days) but some combinations seem rather mixed up, see above. I am
not able to stop the output in time when I thought I also saw some kind
of gap in the list.

> Other useful tool may be bin/check_db. Use -h option for usage.

With both config.pck (the small, new one, and the old, big one) -v
gives me "okay". But: it alters my backup-config.pck to the new,
small size. So apparently it dumps the information in there from some
part on.

 >>>> print x  (.... gives you contents of database)

"Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/pickle.py", line 1390, in load
    return Unpickler(file).load()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/pickle.py", line 872, in load
    dispatch[key](self)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/pickle.py", line 894, in load_eof
    raise EOFError
EOFError"
 
Again, an error message that is of no help to me, unfortunately...

Greetings
Alex




From vfh at ratel.ru  Tue Jun  8 13:29:09 2004
From: vfh at ratel.ru (vlad f halilow)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:29:09 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman wrapper + exim 4.22
Message-ID: <20040608152909.4d62d2b1.vfh@ratel.ru>

hello. i have installed mailman 2.0.11-1woody8 from debian. MM working under exim 4.22, and working correctly except one thing.

i got a message from wrapper with error code 6, and message in syslog listed below

----
Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command: admin
----

this message appears, when coming mail to 'listname-admin at domain.com'.

exim debug show, that wrapper run with following arguments:

14:58:36 10644 direct command after expansion:
14:58:36 10644   argv[0] = /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper
14:58:36 10644   argv[1] = admin
14:58:36 10644   argv[2] = news

so, this something like "wrapper admin news". this configuration i got from internet, and do not sure in it cleaness. so, what i need to seng via arguments to wrapper, when mail to listname-admin received? may be i dont need to route mail to admins via mailman router?

configuration:

-------------
MAILMAN_HOME=/var/lib/mailman
# wrapper script for mailman
MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper
# user and group for mailman
MAILMAN_USER=list
MAILMAN_GROUP=daemon


mailman_router:
    driver = accept
    require_files =  MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.db
    local_part_suffix_optional
    local_part_suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : -confirm+* : -join : -leave : -owner : -request: -admin
    transport = mailman_transport


mailman_transport:
    driver = pipe
    command = MAILMAN_WRAP '${if def:local_part_suffix \
        {${sg{$local_part_suffix}{-(\\w+)(\\+.*)?}{\$1}}} {post}}' $local_part
        current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
        home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
        user = MAILMAN_USER
        group = MAILMAN_GROUP

--------------------------------




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  8 13:02:56 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:02:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAIL MAN
In-Reply-To: <000801c44a5e$dea8c440$b9994b0c@k8t2f0>
References: <000801c44a5e$dea8c440$b9994b0c@k8t2f0>
Message-ID: <p06002006bceb4c758763@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:07 PM -0400 2004-06-04, Dele Adebara wrote:

>  1.  Is there any limit to the number of e mails that can be stored in
>  Mail Man?

	There is no hard-coded limit, no.  There may be practical limits, 
depending on the size of the messages, whether or not you allow 
attachments, how long you keep the archives, how big your hard drives 
are, etc....

>  2.  If I want to use Mail Man for capturing the e mail of my subscribers
>  and sending out the newsletter, can other features of Mail Man be disabled?

	What other features?  Disabled in what way?

	If all you want to do is run an announcement-only list, you can 
do that.  You install Mailman, you configure the lists, and then you 
don't make use of any of the other features.

>  3.  I am not a computer tech, is it possible for me to install Mail Man
>  on my own?

	Depending on how adept you are with computers, this is possible. 
However, a certain amount of talent and skill will be required to 
install it, configure it, and maintain it.

>  4.  If I need help to install and configure Mail Man, where can I get
>  the help, and how much will it cost me?

	There are people on this list who could provide consulting 
services.  Alternatively, if you want to host your list somewhere 
else and let them have the job of maintaining the hardware, etc..., 
please see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.017.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  8 13:03:42 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:03:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages held in shunt and retry queue
In-Reply-To: <200406051722.00010.yorkb@nku.edu>
References: <200406041646.46839.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<200406041838.03217.brian@brianyork.net>
	<p0600205cbce6ad511cc7@[10.0.1.3]>
	<200406051722.00010.yorkb@nku.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002007bceb4d69c06f@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:22 PM -0400 2004-06-05, Brian York wrote:

>  Their is nothing else that postfix has put in the maillog besides 
>just repeats
>  of that.

	That's all incoming mail.  There's got to be outgoing mail being 
handled somewhere.  You've got to find where that is and compare the 
MTA logs on that system against your Mailman logs.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  8 13:05:37 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:05:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GNU Mailman & MS Exchange
In-Reply-To: <646E00D4892B514C9C3EFB89FFC9EF8059BD5E@OTTO.AD.UWS.EDU.AU>
References: <646E00D4892B514C9C3EFB89FFC9EF8059BD5E@OTTO.AD.UWS.EDU.AU>
Message-ID: <p06002008bceb4d97cb1d@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:53 PM +1000 2004-06-06, JOHN O'REILLY wrote:

>  I have checked the GNU Mailman FAQ and see no mention of whether or not
>  GNU Mailman will work with MS EXchange.
>  The question is has anyone tried any level of 'integration' with these
>  two products.

	See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.002.htp> 
for an example of how to install Mailman on Windows 2000 using exim 
as your MTA and IIS as a web server.

	I don't know how this would play with Exchange, however -- you 
might have to install a separate MTA for Mailman, and keep the 
communications with Exchange one layer removed.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  8 13:06:24 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:06:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] This I hate
In-Reply-To: <40C34B21.3090307@nwla.com>
References: <40C34B21.3090307@nwla.com>
Message-ID: <p06002009bceb4e1aea06@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:49 AM -0500 2004-06-06, Mel Sojka wrote:

>  Well recently I installed a second version of python and got MailMan 2.1.4
>  up and running.  I did this using a post or a FAQ entry.  This was on a
>  remote clients machine and I guess I left my notes there.  Whoever made
>  that post about installing a second version of Python please do so again
>  or point me to it in the FAQ. I need to do it again.

	Paul was kind enough to put this up at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.009.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  8 13:07:35 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:07:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding Subs-criptions by Email Rather
	than Web 	Interface
In-Reply-To: <004501c44be7$7bb87030$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
References: <40C34B21.3090307@nwla.com>
	<004501c44be7$7bb87030$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
Message-ID: <p0600200abceb4e37f0ab@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:58 PM -0400 2004-06-06, Mike Phillips wrote:

>  Is there a way to send a subs-cribe request to the list via email, or do all
>  of the subs-cribes have to be through the web interface? The help email
>  indicates that there is a subs*cribe option, but I cannot get it to work.

	Yes, there is an e-mail interface.  See the Mailman User 
documentation page at 
<http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node10.html>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  8 13:12:47 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:12:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing e-mails
In-Reply-To: <000b01c44c82$87e1d400$0201a8c0@halpc.org>
References: <000b01c44c82$87e1d400$0201a8c0@halpc.org>
Message-ID: <p0600200cbceb4f432f91@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:28 AM -0500 2004-06-07, Nick Lance wrote:

>  I am having a problem with Mailman, in that about a week ago, the postings
>  made to the list started bouncing.  First, it seemed that a few of the
>  addresses bounced, then more and more.  Now, about 5 people out of 350 are
>  actually getting the e-mail, the rest are bouncing.  Some addresses have
>  been disabled.  My host reset the disabled setting so that no more are
>  getting disabled, but all the e-mail messages are still bouncing.

	You need to find out why they're bouncing.  You need to check the 
log files on the mail server (not Mailman), and you need to take a 
look at the bounce messages that are coming back.

	This isn't really a Mailman problem per se, it's a problem of a 
system generating multitudes of bounces somewhere, and Mailman taking 
that and un-subscribing your users as a result.


	You need to find and fix the cause of the bounces, and then 
Mailman should work as intended.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  8 13:18:16 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:18:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Members not showing up!
In-Reply-To: <E3713B44-B881-11D8-8100-000A956F3080@sparcc.org>
References: <E3713B44-B881-11D8-8100-000A956F3080@sparcc.org>
Message-ID: <p0600200dbceb50ab83c9@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:55 AM -0400 2004-06-07, John Schragg wrote:

>  My members list never shows anyone else as a member except the
>  administrator. Also when a person subscribes. They never get any
>  email back saying that they are now a member......WHAT IS GOING ON?

	Hmm.  Sounds like this might be the redirect problem.  Take a 
look at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.045.htp> 
and see if this helps.

	If it does, then please tell us what keywords you searched for 
when looking through the FAQ, and we'll try to add them to this 
entry.  If you didn't search through the FAQ before posting, then 
shame on you!

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  8 13:19:17 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:19:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] default_member_moderation and
 add_members
In-Reply-To: <20040607141512.9339.qmail@web12205.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040607141512.9339.qmail@web12205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200ebceb5105990d@[10.0.1.3]>

At 7:15 AM -0700 2004-06-07, djmcke wrote:

>  Hi all, I have the option:
>
>      default_member_moderation (privacy): By default, should new list
>  member postings be moderated?
>
>  Set to "yes" but when I added a bunch of users with the add_members script
>  they showed up at unmoderated.  Is this a bug or an I using it wrong (or
>  expecting it to work the wrong why)?

	This feature has always worked as intended for me.  Are you 
over-riding this in Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  8 13:32:17 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:32:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages held in shunt and retry queue
In-Reply-To: <200406072330.56997.yorkb@nku.edu>
References: <200406041646.46839.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<200406072330.56997.yorkb@nku.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002010bceb53722aad@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:30 PM -0400 2004-06-07, Brian York wrote:

>  Would their be any performance loss by having mailman send through the ip
>  address of eth0 instead of the loopback?

	Using eth0 instead of lo0 will result in real packets being 
generated and sent out the interface, and then coming back in.  This 
could run foul of firewall rules, network stack configuration, DNS 
configuration issues, etc....  Using eth0 would also be less 
portable, and if you were to move the lists to another machine, you'd 
have to make more configuration changes to get them working again -- 
as opposed to putting a numeric 127.0.0.1 in your configuration 
instead.

	Generally speaking, if you can help it, you want to use lo0.

	Using eth0 instead won't necessarily hurt your performance on a 
medium or small-size list (it could hurt on a big list, depending on 
what other traffic the machine is doing), but it could potentially 
result in a lot of other problems that may be difficult to debug, 
etc....

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  8 13:28:04 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:28:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] header as text and message as
 attachemt
In-Reply-To: <.127.0.0.1.1086626424.squirrel@www.sucksass.de>
References: <.127.0.0.1.1086626424.squirrel@www.sucksass.de>
Message-ID: <p0600200fbceb51ccc7bd@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:40 PM +0200 2004-06-07, Matthias Rieber wrote:

>  when I add a header to the message, the message will be send as
>  attachemnt. The message is *not* html. It looks like this:

	I wonder if this may be a problem with character set differences 
(or perceived differences) in the headers versus the bodyparts versus 
the footers.  Comments below:

>  Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:31:18 +0200 (CEST)
> 
>Message-ID:
>  <Pine.LNX.4.60.0406071828190.18605 at tld.de>
>  MIME-Version: 1.0
>  Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED;
>      BOUNDARY="-1521340903-909602307-1086625878=:18605"
>  From: xxx.xx
>  Subject: test 1 2 3
>  X-BeenThere: xxx.xx
>  X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4
>  Precedence: list
>  Reply-To: lists at xxx
>  Cc: news at air2mp3.net
>  To: Matthias Rieber <matthias at xxx.xx>
>  Sender: news-bounces at xxx.xx

	Not that there is no character set or content-transfer encoding 
listed in these headers.

>  ---1521340903-909602307-1086625878=:18605
>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>  MIME-Version: 1.0
>  Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>  Content-Disposition: inline

	This is the first bodypart.  Note that the Content-Type header is:

		Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

	In particular, note the capitalization of "text/plain" and the 
double-quotes around "iso-8859-1".

	Note that the Content-Transfer-Encoding header is:

		Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

	Note the capitalization of "quoted-printable".

>  ---1521340903-909602307-1086625878=:18605
>  Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1
>  Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE

	This is the second bodypart.  Note the differences in 
capitalization of "TEXT/PLAIN", the lack of double-quote characters 
around "iso-8859-1", annd the difference in capitalization of the 
word "QUOTED-PRINTABLE".

>  I was using the same config, except security updates (Debian Woody), some
>  month ago without any problems. I switched from pine 4.51 to 4.60. But I
>  tried the old version again, still the same problem.

	I'd be inclined to check the code to see if it is sensitive to 
differences in capitalization or presence/absence of quote 
characters.  Note that this might be a difference in the way Python 
handles things as opposed to Mailman, so you should check all the 
relevant code and modules for Python itself, as well as the Python 
code for Mailman.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  8 13:10:51 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:10:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to in umbrella lists
In-Reply-To: <40C435AE.1010608@pms.informatik.uni-muenchen.de>
References: <40C435AE.1010608@pms.informatik.uni-muenchen.de>
Message-ID: <p0600200bbceb4ea309fb@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:30 AM +0200 2004-06-07, Martin wrote:

>  is it possible to change "dynamicly" the "Reply-to"-Field to the mail address
>  of the umbrella list when the mail is sent to the umbrella list and not
>  directly to the sublist ?

	I believe that this question has been asked on the mailing list 
before, but I don't recall if there was a solution, or what the 
solution was.  I'd encourage you to search the archives.


	Thinking about this, one thing you might be able to do would be 
set a forced reply-to header for the umbrella list, and then do not 
set any reply-to header in any of the sublists.

	Alternatively, you could have each of the sub-lists set their 
reply-to header to point back to the umbrella list.

	In theory, one of the other of those should have the desired effect.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From djerome at novell.com  Tue Jun  8 14:34:35 2004
From: djerome at novell.com (Jerome Dsilva)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 06:34:35 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding prefix to subject line
Message-ID: <s0c55e12.036@lucius.provo.novell.com>

Hi, 
The prefix option is enabled for the subject in mailman , but I need to
add a space after the prefix.. 
ie; if the prefix is [test].. the subject should read .. [test]
subject.. 
Please note that there is a space in between the prefix and the
subject.. 
How can I achieve this... I'm using mailman 2.0 on Suse 9.1 
 
I know this can be done by editing the MailList.py file,, but do I need
to compile it .. 
 
Thanks 
Jerome 
 
  



From mailman at pms.informatik.uni-muenchen.de  Tue Jun  8 14:35:23 2004
From: mailman at pms.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Martin)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:35:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to in umbrella lists
In-Reply-To: <p0600200bbceb4ea309fb@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <40C435AE.1010608@pms.informatik.uni-muenchen.de>
	<p0600200bbceb4ea309fb@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <40C5B28B.3030609@pms.informatik.uni-muenchen.de>

Brad Knowles wrote:


>>At 11:30 AM +0200 2004-06-07, Martin wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>  
>
>>>> is it possible to change "dynamicly" the "Reply-to"-Field to the mail address
>>>> of the umbrella list when the mail is sent to the umbrella list and not
>>>> directly to the sublist ?
>>>>    
>>>>
>>    
>>
>>
>>	I believe that this question has been asked on the mailing list 
>>before, but I don't recall if there was a solution, or what the 
>>solution was.  I'd encourage you to search the archives.
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>  
>
I have asked this question already but got no answer


>>	Thinking about this, one thing you might be able to do would be 
>>set a forced reply-to header for the umbrella list, and then do not 
>>set any reply-to header in any of the sublists.
>>
>>  
>>
>  
>
I this case I have no reply-header when I send directly to the
sublist


>>	Alternatively, you could have each of the sub-lists set their 
>>reply-to header to point back to the umbrella list.
>>  
>>
>  
>
When I send directly to a sublist normally the replies should only
go to the sublist and not to any umbrella list


>>	In theory, one of the other of those should have the desired effect.
>>
>>  
>>
>  
>

Now I solved the problem with procmail using the FAQ:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.15


and the following procmailrc entry:

RECIPIENT=`formail -zxTo:`

:0fwh
| formail -I "Reply-To: $RECIPIENT"

:0
|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post ${MAILMAN}



Martin





From me at danray.net  Tue Jun  8 14:43:10 2004
From: me at danray.net (Dan Ray)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:43:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation help--Dumb Apache problem
In-Reply-To: <F57DDC7A-B8E7-11D8-8697-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
References: <1086621331.26878.61.camel@localhost>
	<F57DDC7A-B8E7-11D8-8697-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <1086698590.7523.2.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 21:05, Jim Tittsler wrote:
> On Jun 8, 2004, at 00:15, Dan Ray wrote:
> 
> [...]
> >    <Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin>
> >         AllowOverride None
> >         Options None
> 
> This is more of an Apache question than Mailman... but don't you need 
> (at least) the 'ExecCGI' option on that directory?

Shouldn't be necessary, as it's implied in the ScriptAlias directive.
That said, I've tried it both with and without that option in the
<Directory>, and it made no difference.

I agree completely this is an Apache problem. I was just hoping somebody
on this list might be able to see something I'd missed. STILL hoping
that, by the way... ;-)

Thanks!!

-- 
"Do or do not. There is no try."
           --Yoda




From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue Jun  8 15:44:15 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:44:15 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding prefix to subject line
In-Reply-To: <s0c55e12.036@lucius.provo.novell.com>
References: <s0c55e12.036@lucius.provo.novell.com>
Message-ID: <EEEA6BA8-B951-11D8-9B53-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Jun 8, 2004, at 21:34, Jerome Dsilva wrote:

> The prefix option is enabled for the subject in mailman , but I need to
> add a space after the prefix..
> ie; if the prefix is [test].. the subject should read .. [test]
> subject..
> Please note that there is a space in between the prefix and the
> subject..
> How can I achieve this... I'm using mailman 2.0 on Suse 9.1

You force a trailing space on the prefix by using bin/withlist to edit
the configuration for your list.

An old posting of mine explaining the steps for Mailman 2.0:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-March/004061.html


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  8 14:53:21 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:53:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation help--Dumb Apache problem
In-Reply-To: <1086698590.7523.2.camel@localhost>
References: <1086621331.26878.61.camel@localhost>
	<F57DDC7A-B8E7-11D8-8697-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
	<1086698590.7523.2.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <p06002013bceb671dc6e0@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:43 AM -0400 2004-06-08, Dan Ray wrote:

>>  This is more of an Apache question than Mailman... but don't you need
>>  (at least) the 'ExecCGI' option on that directory?
>
>  Shouldn't be necessary, as it's implied in the ScriptAlias directive.
>  That said, I've tried it both with and without that option in the
>  <Directory>, and it made no difference.

	I must concede that I don't know Apache as well as I would like. 
Can you confirm that this is not the redirect problem, as discussed 
in 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.045.htp>?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From bigtony at mac.com  Tue Jun  8 17:30:09 2004
From: bigtony at mac.com (Everett Littles)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:30:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems logging into Admin interface
Message-ID: <B9C57F35-B960-11D8-AA2A-000A95E9402A@mac.com>

I have 5 lists on my Mailman server.  Three of the 5 work fine at the 
admin page.  I can log in and administer the lists with no problem.
Two, however, have a problem with the admin page. One of the lists I 
can't log into.  When I log into the list, I get the following error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
     main()
   File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 238, in main
     mlist.Save()
   File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 515, in Save
     self.__save(dict)
   File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 487, in __save
     os.unlink(fname_last)
OSError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument: 
'/private/var/mailman/lists/llms/config.pck.last'


I ran into this when trying to complete an administrative request.
This same list also sends me the following in email.

At your convenience, visit:

http://http://lists.server.com/mailman/admindb/list1

I have no idea why the double http is being thrown in there.

Can anyone lend some guidance on where to start looking for the root of 
this problem?

Thanks

From chardlist at chard.net  Tue Jun  8 17:51:49 2004
From: chardlist at chard.net (Brendan Chard)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:51:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Minor edits to listinfo page
Message-ID: <200406081552.i58FpsP0085061@server5.chard.net>

In my everlasting quest to reduce phonecalls and emails to list moderators
I'd like to edit the text on the "Unsubscribe or edit options" button that
is on the Listinfo page of all my mailing lists so that the button reads
"Edit Options"

Can I do this, and if so, where do I perform my edits?

Thanks as always,
-Brendan






From forsythe at chem.iupui.edu  Tue Jun  8 18:27:38 2004
From: forsythe at chem.iupui.edu (Kelsey Forsythe)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:27:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing rejected
Message-ID: <C1A60740-B968-11D8-A349-003065F96212@chem.iupui.edu>

Hello,

I'm running mailman 2.1.4 on an Xserve which is using Postfix with 
pop-before-smtp.

Does anyone have insight as to how I might eradicate the below 
rejection?

Thanks,

Kelsey
> This is the Postfix program at host atom.chem.iupui.edu.
>
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
> below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.
>
> For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>
>
> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> delete your own text from the message returned below.
>
> 			The Postfix program
>
> <mmod-archive at chem.iupui.edu>: cannot append message to destination 
> file
>     /etc/postfix/lists/mmodlist/archive/current: cannot open file: 
> Permission
>     denied
>
> <mmodlist at atom.chem.iupui.edu>: Command died with status 1:
>     "/etc/postfix/lists/mmodlist/mmodsend"
> Reporting-MTA: dns; atom.chem.iupui.edu
> Arrival-Date: Tue,  8 Jun 2004 11:32:17 -0500 (CDT)
>
> Final-Recipient: rfc822; mmod-archive at chem.iupui.edu
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; cannot append message to destination file
>     /etc/postfix/lists/mmodlist/archive/current: cannot open file: 
> Permission
>     denied
>
> Final-Recipient: rfc822; mmodlist at atom.chem.iupui.edu
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 1:
>     "/etc/postfix/lists/mmodlist/mmodsend"
>
> From: Kelsey Forsythe <molmod at sbcglobal.net>
> Date: June 8, 2004 11:20:46 AM EST
> To: mmodlist at atom.chem.iupui.edu
> Subject: test
>
>
> testing...1 1 1
>
> KF
>
> Kelsey Forsythe, PhD
> Director, Computational Molecular Science Facility
> IUPUI Chemistry
> LD 320
> 402 North Blackford St.
> Indianapolis, IN 46202
> Ph: 317-278-2202
> Fax: 317-274-4701

Kelsey Forsythe, PhD
Director, Computational Molecular Science Facility
IUPUI Chemistry
LD 320
402 North Blackford St.
Indianapolis, IN 46202
Ph: 317-278-2202
Fax: 317-274-4701

From prodos at prodos.com  Tue Jun  8 18:49:19 2004
From: prodos at prodos.com (prodos at prodos.com)
Date: Tue,  8 Jun 2004 09:49:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wanted: Someone to set up Mailman on my server
Message-ID: <20040608164919.24485.qmail@webmail04.mesa1.secureserver.net>

From: Prodos (Melbourne, Australia), prodos at prodos.com

Good morning.

I am looking for someone who can help me to download and
set up Mailman on my server. Also to install some of the
available Mailman patches. 

I am awful with tech stuff and don't know any Python.

My projects are all non-profit based and I don't have
much money. But of course I expect to pay for any
assistance.

Can you help? How much would you charge?
Please contact me off-list on prodos at prodos.com
as soon as possible if you'd like to discuss further.

Thanks.

=]:-)

PRODOS

"Discover the power. Of ideas!"

http://prodos.com




.



From yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU  Tue Jun  8 18:51:48 2004
From: yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:51:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages held in shunt and retry queue
In-Reply-To: <p06002010bceb53722aad@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <200406041646.46839.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
	<200406072330.56997.yorkb@nku.edu> <p06002010bceb53722aad@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <200406081251.48175.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>

ok would the postfix file main.cf be like this
inet_interfaces = 172.31.101.70, 127.0.0.1

Brian


On Tuesday 08 June 2004 07:32, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 11:30 PM -0400 2004-06-07, Brian York wrote:
> >  Would their be any performance loss by having mailman send through the
> > ip address of eth0 instead of the loopback?
>
> 	Using eth0 instead of lo0 will result in real packets being
> generated and sent out the interface, and then coming back in.  This
> could run foul of firewall rules, network stack configuration, DNS
> configuration issues, etc....  Using eth0 would also be less
> portable, and if you were to move the lists to another machine, you'd
> have to make more configuration changes to get them working again --
> as opposed to putting a numeric 127.0.0.1 in your configuration
> instead.
>
> 	Generally speaking, if you can help it, you want to use lo0.
>
> 	Using eth0 instead won't necessarily hurt your performance on a
> medium or small-size list (it could hurt on a big list, depending on
> what other traffic the machine is doing), but it could potentially
> result in a lot of other problems that may be difficult to debug,
> etc....



From yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU  Tue Jun  8 19:23:28 2004
From: yorkb at EXCHANGE.NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:23:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CLI changing members to moderated
Message-ID: <200406081323.28199.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>

I haven't been able to figure out how to change users to moderated from the 
CLI. 

Is there more to the list management commands than are showed in the -h flag. 
If so how can i find the info?

If anyone had any suggestions on automatic list creation along with ways of 
setting members as moderated please let me know.

Thanks
Brian



From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Jun  8 20:22:01 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:22:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Minor edits to listinfo page
In-Reply-To: <200406081600.i58G0eM28824@svr01.thcwd.com>
References: <200406081600.i58G0eM28824@svr01.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.0.20040608124942.01ba2ec0@127.0.0.1>

On 11:00 AM 6/8/2004, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
>In my everlasting quest to reduce phonecalls and emails to list moderators
>I'd like to edit the text on the "Unsubscribe or edit options" button that
>is on the Listinfo page of all my mailing lists so that the button reads
>"Edit Options"
>
>Can I do this, and if so, where do I perform my edits?

      Sure.  Below is the "teach to fish" version.  Backing up files b4 you 
change them is always a good plan.

      Search for files with the text you want to change:

# grep -rl "Unsubscribe or edit options" <prefix>/local/mailman/Mailman/
<prefix>/local/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py
<prefix>/local/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.pyc

      You want the py, as Python creates the pyc from the py file.

open HTMLFormatter.py with the editor of your choice
search for "Unsubscribe or edit options" in the file
change the text
save

restart Mailman with:
# <prefix>/bin/mailmanctl restart

<>< Paul



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun  8 22:02:45 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:02:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing rejected
In-Reply-To: <C1A60740-B968-11D8-A349-003065F96212@chem.iupui.edu>
References: <C1A60740-B968-11D8-A349-003065F96212@chem.iupui.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002003bcebcaf102df@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:27 AM -0500 2004-06-08, Kelsey Forsythe wrote:

>>  <mmod-archive at chem.iupui.edu>: cannot append message to destination file
>>      /etc/postfix/lists/mmodlist/archive/current: cannot open file: 
>>Permission
>>      denied

	This is a file permissions problem.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp>, 
and try running check_perms.

	Any time you have a problem with Mailman, it's a good idea to 
check the FAQ and search for key words like "permission".  You can 
also start with the general "Troubleshooting" guide at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp>, 
which mentions using check_perms as the first thing in the list.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From me at danray.net  Tue Jun  8 23:12:18 2004
From: me at danray.net (Dan Ray)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:12:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation help--Dumb Apache problem
In-Reply-To: <p06002013bceb671dc6e0@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <1086621331.26878.61.camel@localhost>
	<F57DDC7A-B8E7-11D8-8697-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
	<1086698590.7523.2.camel@localhost> <p06002013bceb671dc6e0@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <1086729137.22000.14.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 08:53, Brad Knowles wrote:
> 	I must concede that I don't know Apache as well as I would like. 
> Can you confirm that this is not the redirect problem, as discussed 
> in 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.045.htp>?

Yeah, it's definitely not that. Not only am I not redirecting there (I'm
getting there via supposedly normal Apache config aliases), but this is
my initial page load, there's no POST data to lose.


-- 
"Do or do not. There is no try."
           --Yoda




From parris at isciences.com  Tue Jun  8 23:21:53 2004
From: parris at isciences.com (Thomas M. Parris)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:21:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help: everything works,
	but mail is not sent to lists
In-Reply-To: <p0600206dbcdad71b91a8@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <ABEMIBBGEEMDKKLMMPHLMECOJAAB.parris@isciences.com>

Dear mailmaners:

With mailman 2.1.4 on Solaris 2.8 using sendmail (no snyde comments please).

Everything works, but mail is not sent to lists.
1. messages are help for moderation
2. messages are approved
3. messages get sent to an external archiver
4. BUT MESSAGES ARE NOT SENT TO THE LIST VIA THE MTA (sendmail).

We did not have this problem with 2.1.3.  (And yes, the cronjobs are
installed and qrunner is running).

Any help would be most appreciated.

Many thanks in advance,
Tom




From saurav at sas.upenn.edu  Wed Jun  9 00:07:46 2004
From: saurav at sas.upenn.edu (Saurav Pathak)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:07:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customize list administrator mail
Message-ID: <20040608220746.GA10247@mail1.sas.upenn.edu>

Hi:

For a list that requires both confirmation and approval for
subscription, I would like to customize a message for the 
subscriber once he has confirmed and awaiting administrator 
approval.  Where do I customize the message?

My initial guess was the file ~mailman/templates/en/approve.txt but
that turned out to be wrong.  Please help.

Mailman 2.1.1
Redhat 9

Thanks,
Saurav



From sasa at stupar.homelinux.net  Wed Jun  9 00:43:09 2004
From: sasa at stupar.homelinux.net (Sasa Stupar)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 00:43:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tuning mailman and sendmail
Message-ID: <40C640FD.6070603@stupar.homelinux.net>

Hi!

I have installed sendmail 8.12.11 and Mailman 2.1.5 on RH8. The problem 
is that it takes a long time to send messages to all subscribed users 
(10000+).
So I am wondering if there is something I can configure in sendmail or 
mailman to run faster?

Regards,
Sasa

From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Wed Jun  9 01:46:35 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 08:46:35 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation help--Dumb Apache problem
In-Reply-To: <1086621331.26878.61.camel@localhost>
References: <1086621331.26878.61.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <40C64FDB.70904@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

This has been asked many times.

> I want to install the Mailman CGIs in a virtualhost under Apache, and it
> won't go. The v-host gives me a 500 on a "Hello World" Perl script in
> both the Mailman ScriptAlias directory as well as the cgi-bin.

Answer: You should check your apache error_log if you get 500 error.

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From david at midrange.com  Wed Jun  9 02:11:44 2004
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:11:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Tuning mailman and sendmail
In-Reply-To: <40C640FD.6070603@stupar.homelinux.net>
References: <40C640FD.6070603@stupar.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <ca5kkb$i5c$1@sea.gmane.org>

Sasa Stupar wrote:

> I have installed sendmail 8.12.11 and Mailman 2.1.5 on RH8. The problem 
> is that it takes a long time to send messages to all subscribed users 
> (10000+).
> So I am wondering if there is something I can configure in sendmail or 
> mailman to run faster?

Check out 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.003.htp

david

--
Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man 
present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in 
the entire population.-
Albert Einstein




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun  9 02:56:22 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 02:56:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help: everything works, 	but mail is
	not sent to lists
In-Reply-To: <ABEMIBBGEEMDKKLMMPHLMECOJAAB.parris@isciences.com>
References: <ABEMIBBGEEMDKKLMMPHLMECOJAAB.parris@isciences.com>
Message-ID: <p06002004bcec103a3fca@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:21 PM -0400 2004-06-08, Thomas M. Parris wrote:

>  With mailman 2.1.4 on Solaris 2.8 using sendmail (no snyde comments please).

	Sendmail is a perfectly fine MTA for use with Mailman.  It may 
take a bit more work to configure than postfix or exim, but on the 
other hand (in my experience) it can be more scalable than any other 
MTA on the planet.

>  Everything works, but mail is not sent to lists.
>  1. messages are help for moderation
>  2. messages are approved
>  3. messages get sent to an external archiver
>  4. BUT MESSAGES ARE NOT SENT TO THE LIST VIA THE MTA (sendmail).

	Have you seen the FAQ entry at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp>?

>  We did not have this problem with 2.1.3.  (And yes, the cronjobs are
>  installed and qrunner is running).
>
>  Any help would be most appreciated.

	What's in the Mailman logs?  What's in the sendmail logs?  It 
seems clear that the disconnect is somewhere between Mailman sending 
the messages out and the MTA, so we need to know what's going on.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From busoylinux at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  9 04:06:14 2004
From: busoylinux at yahoo.com (Linux Newbie)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:06:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscription did not respond
Message-ID: <20040609020614.79055.qmail@web51805.mail.yahoo.com>

ive installed mailman on my Rh box. when im on the part of subscribing for test, there are no email confirmation to the owner of the mailings list.what is wrong with my config?

		
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun  9 04:13:50 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 04:13:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscription did not respond
In-Reply-To: <20040609020614.79055.qmail@web51805.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040609020614.79055.qmail@web51805.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06002009bcec22116e73@[10.0.1.3]>

At 7:06 PM -0700 2004-06-08, Linux Newbie wrote:

>  ive installed mailman on my Rh box. when im on the part of subscribing
>  for test, there are no email confirmation to the owner of the mailings
>  list.what is wrong with my config?

	See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp> 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.044.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From Darren.Young at gsb.uchicago.edu  Wed Jun  9 05:30:02 2004
From: Darren.Young at gsb.uchicago.edu (Young, Darren)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:30:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No footer
Message-ID: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B0647AE@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>

Trying to get a footer on every mail sent to a given list's members. Added the options in the page and still they aren't added to the bottom of the member's messages. Mailman version 2.0.11.
 
In the "regular member (non-digest) options" section, under the "footer added to mail..." section I have:
 
_______________________________________________
%(real_name)s mailing list
%(real_name)s@%(host_name)s
%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s
 
 
Thanks,
 
Darren Young
Senior UNIX Administrator
University of Chicago
Graduate School of Business

From busoylinux at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  9 05:40:07 2004
From: busoylinux at yahoo.com (Linux Newbie)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:40:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no email confirmation for the handler
Message-ID: <20040609034007.20567.qmail@web51808.mail.yahoo.com>

guys,
anyone tried mailman on postfix? i ve installed postfix and mailman on my RH9 box. after installing mailman, i tried testing the subscription page, after subscribing one email address, no email confirmation was sent to the handler of the list. any ideas whats wrong ?


		
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From jwt at onjapan.net  Wed Jun  9 06:12:15 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:12:15 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CLI changing members to moderated
In-Reply-To: <200406081323.28199.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
References: <200406081323.28199.yorkb@exchange.nku.edu>
Message-ID: <30CD159A-B9CB-11D8-BFF8-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Jun 9, 2004, at 02:23, Brian York wrote:

> I haven't been able to figure out how to change users to moderated 
> from the
> CLI.

I don't know of a command line tool supplied with Mailman that will do 
it, but you can use bin/withlist and a tiny Python script to set the 
moderation bit for a particular email address.

Create a file called moderate.py containing:

from Mailman.Errors import NotAMemberError
from Mailman import mm_cfg

def moderate(m, addr):
     try:
         m.setMemberOption(addr, mm_cfg.Moderate, mm_cfg.Yes)
         m.Save()
     except NotAMemberError:
         print 'No address matched:', addr

Then you can call bin/withlist with the listname and email address you 
want to set the moderate bit on:

$ bin/withlist -l -r moderate mylist luser at somewhere.com


-- 
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun  9 09:38:49 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:38:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no email confirmation for the handler
In-Reply-To: <20040609034007.20567.qmail@web51808.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040609034007.20567.qmail@web51808.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200abcec6eba0bca@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:40 PM -0700 2004-06-08, Linux Newbie wrote:

>  anyone tried mailman on postfix? i ve installed postfix and mailman on
>  my RH9 box. after installing mailman, i tried testing the subscription
>  page, after subscribing one email address, no email confirmation was
>  sent to the handler of the list. any ideas whats wrong ?

	I've used Mailman with postfix in each of the installations I've 
managed.  Considering what we recently heard from you, I imagine your 
problem has more to do with your OS than the MTA.

	Please see the URLs I previously mentioned.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From Marek at Tipsport.cz  Wed Jun  9 11:24:28 2004
From: Marek at Tipsport.cz (Tomas Marek)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:24:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature requiry
Message-ID: <40C6D74C.40707@Tipsport.cz>

Hi guys,

as a Mailman user I wonder how to setup password generating (when 
subscibing user leaves passowrd field blank). What Mailman version is 
this feature available from?
Regards,

Tom



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun  9 13:56:57 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:56:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature requiry
In-Reply-To: <40C6D74C.40707@Tipsport.cz>
References: <40C6D74C.40707@Tipsport.cz>
Message-ID: <p06002016bcecaafc612c@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:24 AM +0200 2004-06-09, Tomas Marek wrote:

>  as a Mailman user I wonder how to setup password generating (when
>  subscibing user leaves passowrd field blank). What Mailman version
>  is this feature available from?

	I'm not sure that this feature is available.  If you are 
subscribed by the list owner/moderator, the system will issue a 
password for you.  If you subscribe via the e-mail interface, I 
believe that the system will issue a password to you.  But I'm not 
sure that the system will issue you a password if you subscribe 
yourself via the web, but leave the password field blank.

	If this feature is available, then I don't think it's changed 
since the 2.1.x series came out, and may have been around even 
earlier than that.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From Marek at Tipsport.cz  Wed Jun  9 14:24:25 2004
From: Marek at Tipsport.cz (Tomas Marek)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:24:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature requiry
In-Reply-To: <p06002016bcecaafc612c@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <40C6D74C.40707@Tipsport.cz> <p06002016bcecaafc612c@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <40C70179.3060108@Tipsport.cz>

Thanks for reply.  Even when subscribing to this mailing list the 
feature is available. Look at 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users.

tom

Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 11:24 AM +0200 2004-06-09, Tomas Marek wrote:
>
>>  as a Mailman user I wonder how to setup password generating (when
>>  subscibing user leaves passowrd field blank). What Mailman version
>>  is this feature available from?
>
>
>     I'm not sure that this feature is available.  If you are 
> subscribed by the list owner/moderator, the system will issue a 
> password for you.  If you subscribe via the e-mail interface, I 
> believe that the system will issue a password to you.  But I'm not 
> sure that the system will issue you a password if you subscribe 
> yourself via the web, but leave the password field blank.
>
>     If this feature is available, then I don't think it's changed 
> since the 2.1.x series came out, and may have been around even earlier 
> than that.
>



From chardlist at chard.net  Wed Jun  9 15:14:59 2004
From: chardlist at chard.net (Brendan Chard)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:14:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature requiry
In-Reply-To: <40C6D74C.40707@Tipsport.cz>
Message-ID: <200406091315.i59DF2ph073201@server5.chard.net>

I'm running Mailman 2.1.4 and my experience has always been that when the
user leaves the password field blank when subscribing over the web the
software will automatically generate a password that is sent in the welcome
message.

-Brendan

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Tomas Marek
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 5:24 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature requiry

Hi guys,

as a Mailman user I wonder how to setup password generating (when 
subscibing user leaves passowrd field blank). What Mailman version is 
this feature available from?
Regards,

Tom

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From RERobbins at iTinker.net  Wed Jun  9 15:25:27 2004
From: RERobbins at iTinker.net (Richard E. Robbins)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:25:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weekly Automatic Digest Distribution
Message-ID: <200406091325.i59DPMSU005487@rs9.luxsci.com>

I want to configure a mailing list where a digest is sent out on a weekly
basis at a set time of day.  I'm trying to set up a kind of weekly sealed
bid process.  The list will be limited to about a dozen people and traffic
is expected to be limited.  I've assumed that I'd set the digest size
threshhold to a suitably large number to eliminate (or at least dramatically
reduce) the possibility of early digest distribution.  I'd like to have the
digest sent automatically as opposed to triggering the digest send by hand
each week at the appropriate time.

It's not obvious to me how to configure mailman to do this.  I suspect that
those who administer the relevant server will respond to reasonable
configuration requests.  Any suggestions?

-- Rich





From kit at iwu.edu  Wed Jun  9 17:06:04 2004
From: kit at iwu.edu (Kit Stube)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:06:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] -1 moderator request(s) waiting
Message-ID: <40C7275C.7080400@iwu.edu>

I just installed mailman and built a bunch of lists.  The owners of the 
lists are now daily recieving a message saying "-1 <listname> moderator 
request(s) waiting".

When they click on the link and go to the page to do the moderator stuff 
the page does not have any moderator requests.   We are all very 
confused.  Any idea how to make this stop?

-- 
Kit Stube
Unix Systems Administrator
Illinois Wesleyan University
309-556-3445
kit at iwu.edu

IWU Tech Support
309-556-3900







From askanas at panix.com  Wed Jun  9 18:59:30 2004
From: askanas at panix.com (malgosia askanas (staff))
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:59:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix has problems with Mailman aliases database
Message-ID: <200406091659.i59GxUu12582@panix5.panix.com>

I am installing Mailman on a machine running Postfix. I put in Postfix's 
configuration file the statement

alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/chroot/htdocs/mailman/data/aliases

and ran Mailman's "genaliases" command to generate the alias database (which
now contains aliases for 2 lists).  But it looks like my Postfix is choking on 
Mailman's aliases.  I get a steady stream of the following complaints in the
maillog:

Jun  9 12:45:20 polyhedra postfix/smtpd[16195]: fatal: open database /var/chroot/htdocs/mailman/data/aliases.db: Invalid argument
Jun  9 12:45:21 polyhedra postfix/master[301]: warning: process /usr/local/libexec/smtpd pid 16195 exit status 1
Jun  9 12:45:21 polyhedra postfix/master[301]: warning: /usr/local/libexec/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling

Does anybody have any advice, please?  I notice the following seeming mismatch,
but I don't know if it's relevant:

For the Postfix aliases database:
# file /etc/aliases.db
/etc/aliases.db: Berkeley DB (Hash, version 7, native byte-order)

For the Mailman aliases database:
# file /var/chroot/htdocs/mailman/data/aliases.db
/var/chroot/htdocs/mailman/data/aliases.db: Berkeley DB 1.85 (Hash, version 2, native byte-order)


Many thanks in advance,

-malgosia



From gagel at cnc.bc.ca  Wed Jun  9 19:10:31 2004
From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (Kevin W. Gagel)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:10:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix has problems with Mailman aliases database
Message-ID: <40c74487.372.cf0.31129@cnc.bc.ca>

You haven't run the postmap command to generate the alias database.
Use the following:
postmap hash:/etc/aliases
postmap hash:/var/chroot/htdocs/mailman/data/aliases


----- Original Message Follows -----
From: "malgosia askanas (staff)" <askanas at panix.com>
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix has problems with Mailman aliases database
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:59:30 -0400 (EDT)
> 
> I am installing Mailman on a machine running Postfix. I put in Postfix's 
> configuration file the statement
> 
> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/chroot/htdocs/mailman/data/aliases
> 
> and ran Mailman's "genaliases" command to generate the alias database (which
> now contains aliases for 2 lists).  But it looks like my Postfix is choking on
> Mailman's aliases.  I get a steady stream of the following complaints in the
> maillog:
> 
> Jun  9 12:45:20 polyhedra postfix/smtpd[16195]: fatal: open database
> /var/chroot/htdocs/mailman/data/aliases.db: Invalid argument Jun  9 12:45:21
> polyhedra postfix/master[301]: warning: process /usr/local/libexec/smtpd pid
> 16195 exit status 1 Jun  9 12:45:21 polyhedra postfix/master[301]: warning:
> /usr/local/libexec/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling
> 
> Does anybody have any advice, please?  I notice the following seeming mismatch
> , but I don't know if it's relevant:
> 
> For the Postfix aliases database:
> # file /etc/aliases.db
> /etc/aliases.db: Berkeley DB (Hash, version 7, native byte-order)
> 
> For the Mailman aliases database:
> # file /var/chroot/htdocs/mailman/data/aliases.db
> /var/chroot/htdocs/mailman/data/aliases.db: Berkeley DB 1.85 (Hash, version 2,
> native byte-order)
> 
> 
> Many thanks in advance,
> 
> -malgosia
> 
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From JBrendsel at verisign.com  Wed Jun  9 19:21:51 2004
From: JBrendsel at verisign.com (Brendsel, Jon)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:21:51 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains with Postfix and Mailman
Message-ID: <5BEA6CDB196A4241B8BE129D309AA4AF018BCBFC@vsvapostal8.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com>

All -

I am encountering a problem that has me completely stumped in getting
Mailman+Postfix to work properly with a virtual domain.  I have read
everything I can find in the FAQ and the archives but am having trouble
getting it to work as expected.  To that end, I have read the following
posting which I think I am following to the letter, but to no avail.
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

In my current mm_cfg.py, I currently have the following settings:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'domain.tld' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.domain.tld' 
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() 
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) 

The problem is in the emails that go out (from mainman-admin) when I set up
the list, or when new subscribers join.

Specifically, the sending email address domain shows correctly as
mailman_admin at domain.tld.

But the various admin URLs in the body of the email show 

http://domain.tld/ as the base URL instead of the expected
http://www.domain.tld

I am assuming that is not a bug, but rather some dumb config error.  But I
have tried every possible combination that I can think of in mm_cfg.py to
try and fix the issue, but to no avail.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks much.

Jon Brendsel



From kit at iwu.edu  Wed Jun  9 19:30:35 2004
From: kit at iwu.edu (Kit Stube)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 12:30:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] main site email address
Message-ID: <40C7493B.4030202@iwu.edu>

Does anyone know an easy way to change the main site email address for a 
mailman installation?  ie:  I want to change the address that appears 
after "If you are having trouble using the lists, please contact" on the 
listinfo page.  I can't seem to find it anywhere.   I already have a 
bunch of lists installed and people using them so reinstalling is not an 
option.

-- 
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Unix Systems Administrator
Illinois Wesleyan University
309-556-3445
kit at iwu.edu

IWU Tech Support
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From askanas at panix.com  Wed Jun  9 19:32:35 2004
From: askanas at panix.com (malgosia askanas (staff))
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:32:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix has problems with Mailman aliases database
In-Reply-To: <40c74487.372.cf0.31129@cnc.bc.ca> from "Kevin W. Gagel" at Jun
	09, 2004 10:10:31 AM
Message-ID: <200406091732.i59HWZv22497@panix5.panix.com>

> You haven't run the postmap command to generate the alias database.
> Use the following:
> postmap hash:/etc/aliases
> postmap hash:/var/chroot/htdocs/mailman/data/aliases

I am sorry to say that this didn't change my situation.  I did as you suggested
and then did a postfix reload, but I still get the same complaints:

  Jun  9 13:28:21 polyhedra postfix/local[18087]: fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: Invalid argument
  Jun  9 13:28:22 polyhedra postfix/master[301]: warning: process /usr/local/libexec/local pid 18087 exit status 1
  Jun  9 13:28:22 polyhedra postfix/master[301]: warning: /usr/local/libexec/local: bad command startup -- throttling

The two aliases files now are of the same format, both are
Berkeley DB 1.85 (Hash, version 2, native byte-order)

-malgosia




From sean at sweetbourbon.com  Wed Jun  9 19:51:41 2004
From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:51:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] japanese digests
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0406091342290.69345@seyyav.pair.com>


Hi,

I'm Running Mailman 2.1.3 on a FreeBSD 4.6 box with postfix 2.0.15.  One
list has multiple languages enabled.  Japanese text is with regular posts
however it is showing up garbled in digests:

Today's Topics:

   1. ??? (testlist at crnjapan.com)


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:25:42 +0800
From: testlist at crnjapan.com
Subject: [crnlist] ???
To: testlist at crnjapan.com
Message-ID: <40BEB656.9030003 at feldmark.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP

^[$B$3$l$O%F%9%H$G$9!#^[(B

Has anyone else experienced this problem and/or know of a fix?  I searched
the archives but didn't find anything describing the same problem.

Sean



From trichard at techovations.com  Wed Jun  9 18:52:09 2004
From: trichard at techovations.com (Troy Richard)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:52:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not send mail
Message-ID: <15675.199.38.51.133.1086799929.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>

Hey guys,

I have install mailman and everything looks to be working fine except when
I try to post to a mailing list.  I can see the email come into my qmail
mail server and just set in the email accounts mail directory.  I can
subscribe/unsubscribe and get those emails just fine.  It is like when the
list emails come in mailman doesn't know what to do with them.  I think I
have all my aliases set up correctly (posted below).  I've looked through
the archives and have seen several others with this problem, but no
solution posted.  Help please.

Here is what my aliases are setup as:

.qmail-* = the file
and after the : is the command that is in the file.

.qmail-xterra:|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post Xterra
.qmail-xterra-admin:|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin Xterra
.qmail-xterra-bounces:|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces
Xterra .qmail-xterra-confirm:|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
confirm Xterra .qmail-xterra-join:|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
join Xterra .qmail-xterra-leave:|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
leave Xterra .qmail-xterra-owner:|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
owner Xterra .qmail-xterra-request:|preline
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request Xterra
.qmail-xterra-subscribe:|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe
Xterra
.qmail-xterra-unsubscribe:|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
unsubscribe Xterra


Thanks for any help

Troy





From djmcke at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  9 20:00:54 2004
From: djmcke at yahoo.com (djmcke)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:00:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix has problems with Mailman aliases database
In-Reply-To: <200406091732.i59HWZv22497@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <20040609180054.45312.qmail@web12210.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "malgosia askanas (staff)" <askanas at panix.com> wrote:

> > You haven't run the postmap command to generate the alias database.
> > Use the following:
> > postmap hash:/etc/aliases
> > postmap hash:/var/chroot/htdocs/mailman/data/aliases

I think you need to use postalias instead of postmap.
Like this:

/usr/sbin/postalias /etc/aliases
/usr/sbin/postalias /var/chroot/htdocs/mailman/data/aliases

I added this lines to my postfix startup script.
So I don't need to remember to do them.



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From rob at web.ca  Wed Jun  9 20:03:46 2004
From: rob at web.ca (Rob Ellis)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:03:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix has problems with Mailman aliases database
In-Reply-To: <200406091732.i59HWZv22497@panix5.panix.com>
References: <40c74487.372.cf0.31129@cnc.bc.ca>
	<200406091732.i59HWZv22497@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <20040609180346.GD74274@web.ca>

On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 01:32:35PM -0400, malgosia askanas (staff) wrote:
> > You haven't run the postmap command to generate the alias database.
> > Use the following:
> > postmap hash:/etc/aliases
> > postmap hash:/var/chroot/htdocs/mailman/data/aliases
> 
> I am sorry to say that this didn't change my situation.  I did as you suggested
> and then did a postfix reload, but I still get the same complaints:
> 
>   Jun  9 13:28:21 polyhedra postfix/local[18087]: fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: Invalid argument
>   Jun  9 13:28:22 polyhedra postfix/master[301]: warning: process /usr/local/libexec/local pid 18087 exit status 1
>   Jun  9 13:28:22 polyhedra postfix/master[301]: warning: /usr/local/libexec/local: bad command startup -- throttling
> 
> The two aliases files now are of the same format, both are
> Berkeley DB 1.85 (Hash, version 2, native byte-order)

you want to use 'postalias', not 'postmap' ->

  postalias hash:/etc/aliases hash:/var/chroot/htdocs/mailman/data/aliases

- rob



From askanas at panix.com  Wed Jun  9 20:09:15 2004
From: askanas at panix.com (malgosia askanas (staff))
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:09:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix has problems with Mailman aliases database
In-Reply-To: <20040609180054.45312.qmail@web12210.mail.yahoo.com> from
	"djmcke" at Jun 09, 2004 11:00:54 AM
Message-ID: <200406091809.i59I9FU05451@panix5.panix.com>

> I think you need to use postalias instead of postmap.
> Like this:
> 
> /usr/sbin/postalias /etc/aliases
> /usr/sbin/postalias /var/chroot/htdocs/mailman/data/aliases

No, that didn't do it either, I am sad to say.  Postfix reloaded, but I 
continue to get the same error:

  Jun  9 14:05:40 polyhedra postfix/smtpd[19750]: fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: Invalid argument
  Jun  9 14:05:41 polyhedra postfix/master[301]: warning: process /usr/local/libexec/smtpd pid 19750 exit status 1
  Jun  9 14:05:41 polyhedra postfix/master[301]: warning: /usr/local/libexec/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling


-malgosia



From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Jun  9 20:15:18 2004
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:15:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix has problems with Mailman aliases database
In-Reply-To: <200406091809.i59I9FU05451@panix5.panix.com>
References: <20040609180054.45312.qmail@web12210.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200406091809.i59I9FU05451@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <20040609181518.GC26200@charite.de>

* malgosia askanas (staff) <askanas at panix.com>:
> > I think you need to use postalias instead of postmap.
> > Like this:
> > 
> > /usr/sbin/postalias /etc/aliases
> > /usr/sbin/postalias /var/chroot/htdocs/mailman/data/aliases
> 
> No, that didn't do it either, I am sad to say.  Postfix reloaded, but I 
> continue to get the same error:
> 
>   Jun  9 14:05:40 polyhedra postfix/smtpd[19750]: fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: Invalid argument
>   Jun  9 14:05:41 polyhedra postfix/master[301]: warning: process /usr/local/libexec/smtpd pid 19750 exit status 1
>   Jun  9 14:05:41 polyhedra postfix/master[301]: warning: /usr/local/libexec/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling

Are you sure postmap & smtpd belong together and were linked against
the same libdb? Check with ldd

-- 
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Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin            Tel.  +49 (0)30-450 570-155
Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin    Fax.  +49 (0)30-450 570-916
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From djmcke at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  9 20:15:48 2004
From: djmcke at yahoo.com (djmcke)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:15:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix has problems with Mailman aliases database
In-Reply-To: <200406091809.i59I9FU05451@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <20040609181548.40002.qmail@web12207.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "malgosia askanas (staff)" <askanas at panix.com> wrote:
> > I think you need to use postalias instead of postmap.
> > Like this:
> > 
> > /usr/sbin/postalias /etc/aliases
> > /usr/sbin/postalias /var/chroot/htdocs/mailman/data/aliases
> 
> No, that didn't do it either, I am sad to say.  Postfix reloaded, but I 
> continue to get the same error:
> 
>   Jun  9 14:05:40 polyhedra postfix/smtpd[19750]: fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: Invalid
> argument

Could this be a permission problem?
When you run postalias are you root -- or somebody who can write in /etc ?


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From afreyvogel at ecmarket.com  Wed Jun  9 20:23:37 2004
From: afreyvogel at ecmarket.com (Andreas Freyvogel)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:23:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix has problems with Mailman aliases database
In-Reply-To: <200406091809.i59I9FU05451@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <DCENKNILIJGHAHNAAFFMIEIKDOAA.afreyvogel@ecmarket.com>

I usually just go into /etc/postfix and run 'newaliases'.

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of malgosia askanas
(staff)
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:09 AM
To: djmcke
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Postfix has problems with Mailman aliases
database


> I think you need to use postalias instead of postmap.
> Like this:
>
> /usr/sbin/postalias /etc/aliases
> /usr/sbin/postalias /var/chroot/htdocs/mailman/data/aliases

No, that didn't do it either, I am sad to say.  Postfix reloaded, but I
continue to get the same error:

  Jun  9 14:05:40 polyhedra postfix/smtpd[19750]: fatal: open database
/etc/aliases.db: Invalid argument
  Jun  9 14:05:41 polyhedra postfix/master[301]: warning: process
/usr/local/libexec/smtpd pid 19750 exit status 1
  Jun  9 14:05:41 polyhedra postfix/master[301]: warning:
/usr/local/libexec/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling


-malgosia

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From askanas at panix.com  Wed Jun  9 20:40:23 2004
From: askanas at panix.com (malgosia askanas (staff))
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:40:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix has problems with Mailman aliases database
In-Reply-To: <20040609181518.GC26200@charite.de> from "Ralf Hildebrandt" at
	Jun 09, 2004 08:15:18 PM
Message-ID: <200406091840.i59IeNS14735@panix5.panix.com>

> Are you sure postmap & smtpd belong together and were linked against
> the same libdb? Check with ldd

Yup, they were both linked against /usr/lib/libc.so.12.

> Could this be a permission problem?
> When you run postalias are you root -- or somebody who can write in /etc ?

Well, when I run it I am root.  The permissions on the two files are:

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  65536 Jun  9 14:15 /etc/aliases.db
-rw-r--r--  1 mailman  mailman  65536 Jun  9 14:15 /var/chroot/htdocs/mailman/data/aliases.db


-malgosia



From mailing-lists at slortar.net  Wed Jun  9 20:43:47 2004
From: mailing-lists at slortar.net (Luc Brouard)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:43:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix has problems with Mailman aliases database
In-Reply-To: <200406091840.i59IeNS14735@panix5.panix.com>
References: <20040609181518.GC26200@charite.de>
	<200406091840.i59IeNS14735@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <20040609184347.GA25735@slortar.net>

On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 02:40:23PM -0400, malgosia askanas (staff) wrote:
> > Are you sure postmap & smtpd belong together and were linked against
> > the same libdb? Check with ldd
> 
> Yup, they were both linked against /usr/lib/libc.so.12.

libc has nothing to do with libdb.
Post full ldd.

Luc



From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Jun  9 20:50:39 2004
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:50:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix has problems with Mailman aliases database
In-Reply-To: <200406091840.i59IeNS14735@panix5.panix.com>
References: <20040609181518.GC26200@charite.de>
	<200406091840.i59IeNS14735@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <20040609185039.GH26200@charite.de>

* malgosia askanas (staff) <askanas at panix.com>:
> > Are you sure postmap & smtpd belong together and were linked against
> > the same libdb? Check with ldd
> 
> Yup, they were both linked against /usr/lib/libc.so.12.

libdb != libc

-- 
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Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin            Tel.  +49 (0)30-450 570-155
Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin    Fax.  +49 (0)30-450 570-916
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun  9 21:26:50 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:26:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not send mail
In-Reply-To: <15675.199.38.51.133.1086799929.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>
References: <15675.199.38.51.133.1086799929.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>
Message-ID: <p06002004bced14d88660@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:52 AM -0500 2004-06-09, Troy Richard wrote:

>  I have install mailman and everything looks to be working fine except when
>  I try to post to a mailing list.  I can see the email come into my qmail
>  mail server and just set in the email accounts mail directory.

	See the troubleshooting page at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From askanas at panix.com  Wed Jun  9 21:47:06 2004
From: askanas at panix.com (malgosia askanas (staff))
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:47:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix has problems with Mailman aliases database
In-Reply-To: <20040609184347.GA25735@slortar.net> from "Luc Brouard" at Jun 09,
	2004 08:43:47 PM
Message-ID: <200406091947.i59Jl6h06687@panix5.panix.com>

> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 02:40:23PM -0400, malgosia askanas (staff) wrote:
> > > Are you sure postmap & smtpd belong together and were linked against
> > > the same libdb? Check with ldd
> > 
> > Yup, they were both linked against /usr/lib/libc.so.12.
> 
> libc has nothing to do with libdb.
> Post full ldd.

It doesn't show libdb, and the reason -- as I now know -- is that libdb was
linked statically.  BTW, is there an equivalent of "libdb" for static links?

But I am very happy to report that I have now fixed the Postfix problem, and
it was by virtue of this list's advice.  Running "postalias" was indeed the
right thing to do, but, due to the order of things in my PATH, I was running 
the wrong "postalias".  Once I fixed that, my problem ended.  Many thanks to
all of you.


-malgosia



From trichard at techovations.com  Wed Jun  9 20:46:06 2004
From: trichard at techovations.com (Troy Richard)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:46:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not send mail
In-Reply-To: <p06002004bced14d88660@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <15675.199.38.51.133.1086799929.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>
	<p06002004bced14d88660@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <34401.199.38.51.133.1086806766.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>

I looked at the list of things to check and I went through everything and
everything looks good.  It looks like the emails are comming into my email
address and just setting the in the maildir which to me looks like maybe
it is an alias problem not know where to send it.  But I used the script
out of the README.QMAIL file to set up the aliases. Any more ideas

Thanks
Troy

> At 11:52 AM -0500 2004-06-09, Troy Richard wrote:
>
>>  I have install mailman and everything looks to be working fine except
>> when
>>  I try to post to a mailing list.  I can see the email come into my
>> qmail
>>  mail server and just set in the email accounts mail directory.
>
> 	See the troubleshooting page at
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp>.
>
> --
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>




From brian.oliver at btas.com  Wed Jun  9 22:57:18 2004
From: brian.oliver at btas.com (Oliver Brian (BTAS))
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:57:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrator E-mail
Message-ID: <EFF509E2C25203478F80D197AA4F07C60B1C20@btas1.BTAS.local>

Hello,

 

I have Mailman 2.1 installed, and I am having an issue with
administrators receiving e-mails when a user (who requires moderation)
has posted a new message to the mailman maillist.  Basically the admin
is not receiving an e-mail (or notification) that informs them that
moderation is required.  So a long queue of posts is building up in my
maillists.   Is there a setting somewhere that needs to be enabled, so
moderators of the lists receive e-mails?  I can't get any of my mailman
mailists to function like this.  I'm starting to wonder if mailman even
has this function.  The customer says it does.  

 

Thanks,

 

Brian Oliver
Web Design & Engineering Support
BTAS, Inc.
CCSDS Secretariat Support - NASA
Phone: (937) 937-431-9431

Fax: (937) 937-431-9413

Email: brian.oliver at btas.com <mailto:brian.oliver at btas.com> 

 



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Wed Jun  9 23:03:23 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 06:03:23 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] japanese digests
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0406091342290.69345@seyyav.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0406091342290.69345@seyyav.pair.com>
Message-ID: <40C77B1B.5080600@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

Please find a suitable patch from http://mm.tkikuchi.net/

for 2.1.5: http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.5+patch.20040516.gz
     2.1.4: http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.4+patch.20040123.gz
     2.1.3: http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.3+patch.20030930

You should however upgrade to 2.1.5 first.

Sean wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm Running Mailman 2.1.3 on a FreeBSD 4.6 box with postfix 2.0.15.  One
> list has multiple languages enabled.  Japanese text is with regular posts
> however it is showing up garbled in digests:
> 

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From trichard at techovations.com  Wed Jun  9 22:27:33 2004
From: trichard at techovations.com (Troy Richard)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:27:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not send mail
In-Reply-To: <p06002004bced14d88660@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <15675.199.38.51.133.1086799929.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>
	<p06002004bced14d88660@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <35585.199.38.51.133.1086812853.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>

I have figured out something.  I can send an email to the list localy
using the username of the list (ie. if is send an email locate to "list"
which the email address would be list at abc.com).  That will go through.  So
now it looks like the was the aliases are getting handle are for sure the
problem.  So qmail is not seeing "list" and list at abc.com as the same
thing.  Anyone know away around this using the aliases?

Thanks
Troy

> At 11:52 AM -0500 2004-06-09, Troy Richard wrote:
>
>>  I have install mailman and everything looks to be working fine except
>> when
>>  I try to post to a mailing list.  I can see the email come into my
>> qmail
>>  mail server and just set in the email accounts mail directory.
>
> 	See the troubleshooting page at
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp>.
>
> --
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun  9 23:40:13 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:40:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not send mail
In-Reply-To: <34401.199.38.51.133.1086806766.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>
References: <15675.199.38.51.133.1086799929.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>  
	<p06002004bced14d88660@[10.0.1.3]>
	<34401.199.38.51.133.1086806766.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>
Message-ID: <p06002006bced341dda8f@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:46 PM -0500 2004-06-09, Troy Richard wrote:

>  I looked at the list of things to check and I went through everything and
>  everything looks good.  It looks like the emails are comming into my email
>  address and just setting the in the maildir which to me looks like maybe
>  it is an alias problem not know where to send it.  But I used the script
>  out of the README.QMAIL file to set up the aliases. Any more ideas

	The next thing to look at would be the Mailman logs to see what 
it thinks happened to the messages, and to compare that to the log 
data from your MTA.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun  9 23:43:59 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:43:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrator E-mail
In-Reply-To: <EFF509E2C25203478F80D197AA4F07C60B1C20@btas1.BTAS.local>
References: <EFF509E2C25203478F80D197AA4F07C60B1C20@btas1.BTAS.local>
Message-ID: <p06002007bced3497f736@[10.0.1.3]>

At 4:57 PM -0400 2004-06-09, Oliver Brian \(BTAS\) wrote:

>  I have Mailman 2.1 installed, and I am having an issue with
>  administrators receiving e-mails when a user (who requires moderation)
>  has posted a new message to the mailman maillist.  Basically the admin
>  is not receiving an e-mail (or notification) that informs them that
>  moderation is required.

	This feature is enabled by default.  Go to the "General Options" 
page for the list, and scroll down to "Should the list moderators get 
immediate notice of new  requests, as well as daily notices about 
collected ones?", a.k.a., "admin_immed_notify".  Make sure that this 
feature is set to "Yes".

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From stpeter at jabber.org  Thu Jun 10 01:30:23 2004
From: stpeter at jabber.org (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:30:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one dead list (all others fine)
Message-ID: <20040609233023.GE1794@jabber.org>

Last week, one of the mailing lists for which I'm an admin stopped
sending out messages (I was gone, so I didn't notice until today). All
the other lists on this same server are functioning properly. The list
(jadmin at jabber.org) has fairly high volume but so do other lists on the 
server. We are running Mailman 2.1.3 (upgraded in February, no troubles 
since then, well, other than some posts not being archived -- we'll 
leave that for another message) on Debian testing with Postfix. The 
perms for this list seem fine (same as other lists on the machine). I 
have enabled emergency moderation and posts to the list are now held in 
the admin queue, but if I approve a message it does not get distributed 
to the list. Neither is mail to jadmin-admin at jabber.org delivered to the 
list admins. The last timestamp on the mbox file for this list is
2004-06-02T17:17 (no mail sent since then). 

I'm puzzled. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.

BTW, before sending this mail I did the following:

0. Ran the check_perms script.
1. Verified that cron is running.
2. Checked aliases and ran newaliases.
3. Verified that postfix doesn't use smrsh.
4. Checked interface (other lists working fine).
5. Checked that qrunner is working fine.
6. Checked for locks (none on the offending list).
7. Checked logs but don't see any egregious errors.
8. Cleared out the qfiles.
9. Checked SMTPHOST (other lists working fine).

Since this list is the main list for administrators of Jabber servers 
(the IM equivalent of mailman-users, if you will), I'm eager to get it 
running again.

Many thanks.

Peter

-- 
Peter Saint-Andre
Jabber Software Foundation
http://www.jabber.org/people/stpeter.php




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 10 01:20:07 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:20:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrator E-mail
In-Reply-To: <EFF509E2C25203478F80D197AA4F07C607FD25@btas1.BTAS.local>
References: <EFF509E2C25203478F80D197AA4F07C607FD25@btas1.BTAS.local>
Message-ID: <p06002000bced4b0bdcd7@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:53 PM -0400 2004-06-09, Oliver Brian \(BTAS\) wrote:

>  Thanks.  I checked and I have that enabled on all of my lists.  Could
>  there be in issue internal to mailman (propery files, etc.) that I
>  should look at?

	Well, if the feature is enabled, the next thing I'd look at is 
the Mailman logs of outgoing messages as compared to the MTA logs, as 
well as the cron jobs.  You've got a slightly different issue, but 
the troubleshooting guidelines at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp> 
would be a good place to start.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From trichard at techovations.com  Thu Jun 10 03:18:42 2004
From: trichard at techovations.com (Troy Richard)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:18:42 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not send mail
In-Reply-To: <p06002006bced341dda8f@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <15675.199.38.51.133.1086799929.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com> 
	<p06002004bced14d88660@[10.0.1.3]>
	<34401.199.38.51.133.1086806766.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>
	<p06002006bced341dda8f@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <2156.192.168.0.199.1086830322.squirrel@192.168.0.199>

Ok I have tried a couple things and here is where I am.  I have subscribe
2 people to my list. (meat_66372yahoo.com, tbrichard at west.com)  The only
way I can submit an email to the list is if I send it localy to "xterra"
when the email I should send it to is xterra at atomicxterra.com.  Here is
the strange part mailman will pick it up if it is sent to xterra and only
send it to trichard at techovations.com (which is not in the mail list).  I
have tried to add the SMTPHOST to the mm_cfg.py file and then it doesn't
allow me to subscribe or unsubscribe.  I have read through all the docs
and cannot find what is causing my problem.  Any help would be greatly
apperciated.

Thanks
Troy

running:
fedora 1.0
qmail
mailman

> At 1:46 PM -0500 2004-06-09, Troy Richard wrote:
>
>>  I looked at the list of things to check and I went through everything
>> and
>>  everything looks good.  It looks like the emails are comming into my
>> email
>>  address and just setting the in the maildir which to me looks like
>> maybe
>>  it is an alias problem not know where to send it.  But I used the
>> script
>>  out of the README.QMAIL file to set up the aliases. Any more ideas
>
> 	The next thing to look at would be the Mailman logs to see what
> it thinks happened to the messages, and to compare that to the log
> data from your MTA.
>
> --
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>





From trichard at techovations.com  Thu Jun 10 03:23:29 2004
From: trichard at techovations.com (Troy Richard)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:23:29 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not send mail
Message-ID: <2219.192.168.0.199.1086830609.squirrel@192.168.0.199>

One other thing.  I have check the logs both for qmail and mailman and I
don't see anything out of the ordinary.  The other thing is none of my
aliases seem to be working.  Is there anything special I need to do with
qmail.  I have ran the alias script in the README.QMAIL file and they
don't seem to be working.

Ok I have tried a couple things and here is where I am.  I have subscribe
2 people to my list. (meat_66372yahoo.com, tbrichard at west.com)  The only
way I can submit an email to the list is if I send it locally to "xterra"
when the email I should send it to is xterra at atomicxterra.com.  Here is
the strange part mailman will pick it up if it is sent to xterra and only
send it to trichard at techovations.com (which is not in the mail list).  I
have tried to add the SMTPHOST to the mm_cfg.py file and then it doesn't
allow me to subscribe or subscribe.  I have read through all the docs and
cannot find what is causing my problem.  Any help would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks
Troy

running:
fedora 1.0
qmail
mailman

> At 1:46 PM -0500 2004-06-09, Troy Richard wrote:
>
>>  I looked at the list of things to check and I went through everything
>> and
>>  everything looks good.  It looks like the emails are comming into my
>> email
>>  address and just setting the in the maildir which to me looks like
>> maybe
>>  it is an alias problem not know where to send it.  But I used the
>> script
>>  out of the README.QMAIL file to set up the aliases. Any more ideas
>
> 	The next thing to look at would be the Mailman logs to see what
> it thinks happened to the messages, and to compare that to the log data
from your MTA.
>
> --
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>







From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Jun 10 03:31:01 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:31:01 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weekly Automatic Digest Distribution
In-Reply-To: <200406091325.i59DPMSU005487@rs9.luxsci.com>
References: <200406091325.i59DPMSU005487@rs9.luxsci.com>
Message-ID: <D4E2AE74-BA7D-11D8-9C4B-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Jun 9, 2004, at 22:25, Richard E. Robbins wrote:

> I want to configure a mailing list where a digest is sent out on a 
> weekly
> basis at a set time of day.

If this is your only digested mailing list, you could just change the 
cron entry for the cron/senddigests task.  By default, it generates the 
periodic digests at noon daily.  You could set it for your given day of 
the week.

If you have additional digested mailing lists that still need to have 
daily periodic (not just thresholded) mailings, you will have to get 
more clever and have multiple crontab entries that use the 
--listname=mylist switch on senddigests to specify which digests are 
processed at which times/days.



-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Jun 10 03:49:00 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:49:00 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] main site email address
In-Reply-To: <40C7493B.4030202@iwu.edu>
References: <40C7493B.4030202@iwu.edu>
Message-ID: <5809FF28-BA80-11D8-9C4B-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Jun 10, 2004, at 02:30, Kit Stube wrote:

> Does anyone know an easy way to change the main site email address for 
> a mailman installation?  ie:  I want to change the address that 
> appears after "If you are having trouble using the lists, please 
> contact" on the listinfo page.

That address defaults to the MAILMAN_SITE_LIST value that you set in 
your mm_cfg.py.  The default site list is called mailman.


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 10 03:34:17 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:34:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not send mail
In-Reply-To: <2219.192.168.0.199.1086830609.squirrel@192.168.0.199>
References: <2219.192.168.0.199.1086830609.squirrel@192.168.0.199>
Message-ID: <p06002000bced6abdb627@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:23 PM -0500 2004-06-09, Troy Richard wrote:

>  One other thing.  I have check the logs both for qmail and mailman and I
>  don't see anything out of the ordinary.  The other thing is none of my
>  aliases seem to be working.  Is there anything special I need to do with
>  qmail.  I have ran the alias script in the README.QMAIL file and they
>  don't seem to be working.

	It seems to me that this last part is the most important problem 
you need to solve.  However, beyond the information in the 
README.QMAIL, and the qmail-related information in the FAQ, I am not 
able to offer you any further assistance.

	Perhaps there are other people on the list who are familiar with 
qmail, and who may be able to help.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From admin at chronosnet.com  Thu Jun 10 05:15:15 2004
From: admin at chronosnet.com (Chronos Admin)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:15:15 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML E-mails
Message-ID: <BCED2E63.1083C%admin@chronosnet.com>

I've setup Mailman and have a few lists running. The one list is an
announcement only list. I need to deliver fully formatted HTML emails.
However, either Mailman or something I'm doing messes up the email.

I searched the Mailman archives and found conflicting comments on whether
Mailman support HTML emails.

In the "Content" settings I have "No" selected for filtering messages. So
what's the official word on HTML emails? Thanks in advance.

-Adam




From busoylinux at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 10 08:44:33 2004
From: busoylinux at yahoo.com (Linux Newbie)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:44:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] anyone tried mailman on postfix?
Message-ID: <20040610064433.61167.qmail@web51804.mail.yahoo.com>

guys,
anyone tried mailman on postfix. its just that im having a hard time configuring it. if anyone has, please guide me with the steps to make it work. Im using RH 9.0 .
 
 

		
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From dvs at chics.ru  Thu Jun 10 10:32:09 2004
From: dvs at chics.ru (Dmitry V. Sukhodoev)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:32:09 +0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how-to make announce-like mail list: several write,
	all other read only
Message-ID: <20040610083209.7010BA108E@mail.tvit.ru>

i have successfully installed Mailman 2.1.5 and this works funny. now i need 
make mailing list with news/announces, where will can post only selected 
people and all other only read this list. 

i have found only one possible way to do this - to make all users moderated, 
and process all their messages by moderator, before it posted to lists. 

but i want to selected members can write to list without any confirmations 
and of course need to be secure, cause "From:" address is light to lie. 

what is right way to do this? 

-- 
Dmitry Sukhodoev, servers maintainer of chics.ru, icq#550315 





From sarah at thaum.net  Thu Jun 10 11:26:37 2004
From: sarah at thaum.net (Sarah Ewen)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:26:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] -1 moderator request(s) waiting
In-Reply-To: <40C7275C.7080400@iwu.edu>
References: <40C7275C.7080400@iwu.edu>
Message-ID: <20040610092637.GA1505@leo>

I had the same thing here with over 200 lists we run as newsgroup
gateways in my office.

I found that if you visit the admindb page, then follow through to
the view all details page, the problem for that list resolves and 
the messages stop.

As there are actually no messages there to approve, you don't need to
do all this in a web browser, if you have a lot of lists affected and
you know there are no msgs really waiting, you can just use curl to
visit them all and resolve the problem.

I used a bash script like the one below:

 #!/bin/bash

 for i in `cat listnames.txt` ; do
   echo $i;
   curl -F adminpw=sitepass http://yourdomain.com/mailman/admindb/$i > /tmp/admindb-$i
   curl -F adminpw=sitepass http://yourdomain.com/mailman/admindb/$i?details=all > /tmp/admindb2-$i
 done

You can check over the files in /tmp if you want to be sure it all went ok.

I hope that helps. It's a bit off the cuff as I've only just run it, but
that should fix the problem.

As for what causes it - who knows! Mailman authors?

Sarah.
--
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:06:04AM -0500, Kit Stube wrote:
> I just installed mailman and built a bunch of lists.  The owners of the 
> lists are now daily recieving a message saying "-1 <listname> moderator 
> request(s) waiting".
> 
> When they click on the link and go to the page to do the moderator stuff 
> the page does not have any moderator requests.   We are all very 
> confused.  Any idea how to make this stop?
 



From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Jun 10 11:35:34 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:35:34 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] -1 moderator request(s) waiting
In-Reply-To: <40C7275C.7080400@iwu.edu>
References: <40C7275C.7080400@iwu.edu>
Message-ID: <85E3BA51-BAC1-11D8-AFF9-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Jun 10, 2004, at 00:06, Kit Stube wrote:

> I just installed mailman and built a bunch of lists.  The owners of 
> the lists are now daily recieving a message saying "-1 <listname> 
> moderator request(s) waiting".

I think each list is expected to have a request.pck file, which always 
contains at least one entry (which isn't really a request, but a tag 
indicating the version number of the request database).

> When they click on the link and go to the page to do the moderator 
> stuff the page does not have any moderator requests.   We are all very 
> confused.  Any idea how to make this stop?

I can think of a number of ways to create the request.pck file for 
lists that don't have one... including just copying an "empty" 
(containing only the version tag) one from another list (or changing 
cron/checkdbs to create one by closing the database after checking the 
number pending and finding it to be -1).  Or do *anything* that really 
does create a pending admin request.  :-)

Or the brute force approach:
$ bin/withlist -l mylistwithoutrequests
 >>> print m.NumRequestsPending()
-1
 >>> m.Save()
 >>> {ctrl-D}


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 10 11:45:37 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:45:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML E-mails
In-Reply-To: <BCED2E63.1083C%admin@chronosnet.com>
References: <BCED2E63.1083C%admin@chronosnet.com>
Message-ID: <p06002004bcedddb5b205@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:15 PM -0600 2004-06-09, Chronos Admin wrote:

>  I've setup Mailman and have a few lists running. The one list is an
>  announcement only list. I need to deliver fully formatted HTML emails.
>  However, either Mailman or something I'm doing messes up the email.
>
>  I searched the Mailman archives and found conflicting comments on whether
>  Mailman support HTML emails.
>
>  In the "Content" settings I have "No" selected for filtering messages. So
>  what's the official word on HTML emails? Thanks in advance.

	If you turn off content filtering, then Mailman will not scrub 
any mail messages that come through to the list.  Assuming that the 
incoming message does not fall victim to the anti-spam settings, it 
will be accepted and sent on to the recipients, without being changed 
or modified (although it might be held for moderation).

	There may be problems with correct archiving of HTML messages, or 
with digests created from HTML messages, but these are separate 
issues.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 10 11:50:00 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:50:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how-to make announce-like mail list:
	several write, 	all other read only
In-Reply-To: <20040610083209.7010BA108E@mail.tvit.ru>
References: <20040610083209.7010BA108E@mail.tvit.ru>
Message-ID: <p06002005bcedde4cd553@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:32 PM +0600 2004-06-10, Dmitry V. Sukhodoev wrote:

>  i have successfully installed Mailman 2.1.5 and this works funny. now i
>  need make mailing list with news/announces, where will can post only
>  selected people and all other only read this list.
>  i have found only one possible way to do this - to make all users
>  moderated, and process all their messages by moderator, before it posted
>  to lists.

	That's basically the method recommended by 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp>.

>  but i want to selected members can write to list without any
>  confirmations and of course need to be secure, cause "From:" address
>  is light to lie.
>  what is right way to do this?

	To solve the whitelist issue, just put the sender addresses you 
want to allow through on the "List of non-member addresses whose 
postings should be  automatically accepted." (a.k.a., 
accept_these_nonmembers).  You will find this field under "Sender 
Filters..." section under the "Privacy Options..." category.

	However, Mailman doesn't provide any security beyond checking the 
"From:" headers and envelope sender.  If you want to add 
cryptographic authentication to messages, that would take additional 
code.  If you can create such code, I'm sure that Barry Warwsaw would 
be more than happy to accept any contributions you should be willing 
to make.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From dvs at chics.ru  Thu Jun 10 13:36:23 2004
From: dvs at chics.ru (Dmitry V. Sukhodoev)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:36:23 +0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: how-to make announce-like mail list: several
	write, all other read only
In-Reply-To: <p06002005bcedde4cd553@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <20040610083209.7010BA108E@mail.tvit.ru>
	<p06002005bcedde4cd553@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <20040610113623.5CFC8A1053@mail.tvit.ru>

Brad Knowles ?????(?): 

>>  i have successfully installed Mailman 2.1.5 and this works funny. now i
>>  need make mailing list with news/announces, where will can post only
>>  selected people and all other only read this list.
>>  i have found only one possible way to do this - to make all users
>> moderated, and process all their messages by moderator, before it posted
>>  to lists.
> 	That's basically the method recommended by 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp>.

thanks for link, i will use it now. there have some interesting info: "A
more secure alternative is for your approved posters to add an Approved
header to their postings as a header, or as the first line of the post)." 

i have been try add "Approved: <list_admin_pwd>" as first line in message.
its cuted off by Mailman, but message still moves to list admins for
approving. whats wrong? 

-- 
Dmitry Sukhodoev, servers maintainer of chics.ru, icq#550315



From stpeter at jabber.org  Thu Jun 10 14:39:23 2004
From: stpeter at jabber.org (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:39:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one dead list (all others fine)
In-Reply-To: <20040609233023.GE1794@jabber.org>
References: <20040609233023.GE1794@jabber.org>
Message-ID: <20040610123923.GB19934@jabber.org>

Also, running 'bin/check_db jadmin' results in no complaints.

Peter

On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 06:30:23PM -0500, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> Last week, one of the mailing lists for which I'm an admin stopped
> sending out messages (I was gone, so I didn't notice until today). All
> the other lists on this same server are functioning properly. The list
> (jadmin at jabber.org) has fairly high volume but so do other lists on the 
> server. We are running Mailman 2.1.3 (upgraded in February, no troubles 
> since then, well, other than some posts not being archived -- we'll 
> leave that for another message) on Debian testing with Postfix. The 
> perms for this list seem fine (same as other lists on the machine). I 
> have enabled emergency moderation and posts to the list are now held in 
> the admin queue, but if I approve a message it does not get distributed 
> to the list. Neither is mail to jadmin-admin at jabber.org delivered to the 
> list admins. The last timestamp on the mbox file for this list is
> 2004-06-02T17:17 (no mail sent since then). 
> 
> I'm puzzled. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.
> 
> BTW, before sending this mail I did the following:
> 
> 0. Ran the check_perms script.
> 1. Verified that cron is running.
> 2. Checked aliases and ran newaliases.
> 3. Verified that postfix doesn't use smrsh.
> 4. Checked interface (other lists working fine).
> 5. Checked that qrunner is working fine.
> 6. Checked for locks (none on the offending list).
> 7. Checked logs but don't see any egregious errors.
> 8. Cleared out the qfiles.
> 9. Checked SMTPHOST (other lists working fine).
> 
> Since this list is the main list for administrators of Jabber servers 
> (the IM equivalent of mailman-users, if you will), I'm eager to get it 
> running again.
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
> Peter
> 



From brian.oliver at btas.com  Thu Jun 10 15:27:24 2004
From: brian.oliver at btas.com (Oliver Brian (BTAS))
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:27:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrator E-mail
Message-ID: <EFF509E2C25203478F80D197AA4F07C60B1C2E@btas1.BTAS.local>

I have followed the guide below.  It was helpful.  When I post a
non-member message to the list that requires moderation I get the
following errors.  Could this be the reason why the admin is not getting
a notification e-mail?

Mail.log - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal
command: mailowner
syslog - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command:
mailowner
mail.warn - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal
command: mailowner
mail.info - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal
command: mailowner
mail.err - Jun 10 09:05:35 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal
command: mailowner

This is my alias entry for the list.  I am running Mailman 2.1

## moims-nav mailing list
moims-nav:              "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post moims-nav"
moims-nav-admin:        "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin moims-nav"
moims-nav-bounces:      "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces
moims-nav"
moims-nav-confirm:      "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm
moims-nav"
moims-nav-join:         "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join moims-nav"
moims-nav-leave:        "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave moims-nav"
moims-nav-owner:        "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner moims-nav"
moims-nav-request:      "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request
moims-nav"
moims-nav-subscribe:    "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe
moims-nav"
moims-nav-unsubscribe:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe
moims-nav"

Brian Oliver
Web Developer
BTAS, Inc.
CCSDS Secretariat Support - NASA
Phone: (937) 937-431-9431
Fax: (937) 937-431-9413
Email: brian.oliver at btas.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Knowles [mailto:brad.knowles at skynet.be] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:20 PM
To: Oliver Brian (BTAS)
Cc: Brad Knowles; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Administrator E-mail

At 5:53 PM -0400 2004-06-09, Oliver Brian \(BTAS\) wrote:

>  Thanks.  I checked and I have that enabled on all of my lists.  Could
>  there be in issue internal to mailman (propery files, etc.) that I
>  should look at?

	Well, if the feature is enabled, the next thing I'd look at is 
the Mailman logs of outgoing messages as compared to the MTA logs, as 
well as the cron jobs.  You've got a slightly different issue, but 
the troubleshooting guidelines at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp> 
would be a good place to start.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.





From trichard at techovations.com  Thu Jun 10 15:31:27 2004
From: trichard at techovations.com (Troy Richard)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:31:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not send mail
In-Reply-To: <p06002000bced6abdb627@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <2219.192.168.0.199.1086830609.squirrel@192.168.0.199>
	<p06002000bced6abdb627@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <58750.199.38.51.133.1086874287.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>

Does anyone know how to configure the aliases for qmail?

> At 8:23 PM -0500 2004-06-09, Troy Richard wrote:
>
>>  One other thing.  I have check the logs both for qmail and mailman and
>> I
>>  don't see anything out of the ordinary.  The other thing is none of my
>>  aliases seem to be working.  Is there anything special I need to do
>> with
>>  qmail.  I have ran the alias script in the README.QMAIL file and they
>>  don't seem to be working.
>
> 	It seems to me that this last part is the most important problem
> you need to solve.  However, beyond the information in the
> README.QMAIL, and the qmail-related information in the FAQ, I am not
> able to offer you any further assistance.
>
> 	Perhaps there are other people on the list who are familiar with
> qmail, and who may be able to help.
>
> --
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>




From apoythre at skymail.csus.edu  Wed Jun  9 20:30:26 2004
From: apoythre at skymail.csus.edu (Poythress, Lynn)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:30:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation - Admin interface question
Message-ID: <A6CEC7C7D5E4C54A943742CE2295EF2B288D98@VSL1A.saclink.csus.edu>

Hello,

I'm trying to install Mailman 2.1.4 on an HP-UX 11.00 machine.  I think
I've done everything correctly, but not being that familiar with list
servers or web interfaces in general, I've gotten to the point where I'm
stumped.  Maybe someone can help.

I'm in Step 4 (Final System Setup) of the installation doc.  I've
created the site-wide mailing list.  I've browsed the sitelist.cfg file
and decided for the time being just to accept the defaults.  The next
step is to subscribe myself to the site list - exactly how do I do that?
It says to use the admin interface - but how do I get to it?  If someone
can either point me to some doc. that explains this, or explain it to
me, I'd be most grateful!

Let me know if you need more info.  They are probably basic questions,
but I'd appreciate any help I can get.

Thanks,
Lynn Poythress
CSU, Sacramento


From gbalda at glomanet.com  Wed Jun  9 13:17:27 2004
From: gbalda at glomanet.com (Gian-Carlo Baldarelli - Glomanet ISP)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:17:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to delete all administrative requests 
Message-ID: <LDEIIHEEKMLCEPABBOIIGEILDPAA.gbalda@glomanet.com>

Help

my list has been spammed so I got thousands emails pending has
administrative requests

How can I delete all requests ?

Can I stop administrarive requests (posted by a non menmber)


Thanks




From trichard at atomicxterra.com  Wed Jun  9 18:51:37 2004
From: trichard at atomicxterra.com (Troy Richard)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:51:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not send mail
Message-ID: <14378.199.38.51.133.1086799897.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>

Hey guys,

I have install mailman and everything looks to be working fine except when
I try to post to a mailing list.  I can see the email come into my qmail
mail server and just set in the email accounts mail directory.  I can
subscribe/unsubscribe and get those emails just fine.  It is like when the
list emails come in mailman doesn't know what to do with them.  I think I
have all my aliases set up correctly (posted below).  I've looked through
the archives and have seen several others with this problem, but no
solution posted.  Help please.

Here is what my aliases are setup as:

.qmail-* = the file
and after the : is the command that is in the file.

.qmail-xterra:|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post Xterra
.qmail-xterra-admin:|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin Xterra
.qmail-xterra-bounces:|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces Xterra
.qmail-xterra-confirm:|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm Xterra
.qmail-xterra-join:|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join Xterra
.qmail-xterra-leave:|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave Xterra
.qmail-xterra-owner:|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner Xterra
.qmail-xterra-request:|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request Xterra
.qmail-xterra-subscribe:|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe
Xterra
.qmail-xterra-unsubscribe:|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
unsubscribe Xterra


Thanks for any help

Troy



From trichard at atomicxterra.com  Thu Jun 10 15:50:37 2004
From: trichard at atomicxterra.com (Troy Richard)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:50:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not send mail
In-Reply-To: <58750.199.38.51.133.1086874287.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>
References: <2219.192.168.0.199.1086830609.squirrel@192.168.0.199><p06002000bced6abdb627@[10.0.1.3]>
	<58750.199.38.51.133.1086874287.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>
Message-ID: <44503.199.38.51.133.1086875437.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>

I'm wondering if my problem is vpopmail.  Does anyone have experience
using mailman with vpopmail?

Thans
Troy

> Does anyone know how to configure the aliases for qmail?
>
>> At 8:23 PM -0500 2004-06-09, Troy Richard wrote:
>>
>>>  One other thing.  I have check the logs both for qmail and mailman and
>>> I
>>>  don't see anything out of the ordinary.  The other thing is none of my
>>>  aliases seem to be working.  Is there anything special I need to do
>>> with
>>>  qmail.  I have ran the alias script in the README.QMAIL file and they
>>>  don't seem to be working.
>>
>> 	It seems to me that this last part is the most important problem
>> you need to solve.  However, beyond the information in the
>> README.QMAIL, and the qmail-related information in the FAQ, I am not
>> able to offer you any further assistance.
>>
>> 	Perhaps there are other people on the list who are familiar with
>> qmail, and who may be able to help.
>>
>> --
>> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>>
>> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>>
>>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>




From vlad at ccs.ru  Tue Jun  8 13:24:35 2004
From: vlad at ccs.ru (vlad f halilow)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:24:35 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman wrappen+exim 4.22
Message-ID: <20040608152435.52ee1ecd.vlad@ccs.ru>

hello. i have installed mailman 2.0.11-1woody8 from debian. MM working under exim 4.22, and working correctly except one thing.

i got a message from wrapper with error code 6, and message in syslog listed below

----
Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command: admin
----

this message appears, when coming mail to 'listname-admin at domain.com'.

exim debug show, that wrapper run with following arguments:

14:58:36 10644 direct command after expansion:
14:58:36 10644   argv[0] = /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper
14:58:36 10644   argv[1] = admin
14:58:36 10644   argv[2] = news

so, this something like "wrapper admin news". this configuration i got from internet, and do not sure in it cleaness. so, what i need to seng via arguments to wrapper, when mail to listname-admin received? may be i dont need to route mail to admins via mailman router?

configuration:

-------------
MAILMAN_HOME=/var/lib/mailman
# wrapper script for mailman
MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper
# user and group for mailman
MAILMAN_USER=list
MAILMAN_GROUP=daemon


mailman_router:
    driver = accept
    require_files =  MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.db
    local_part_suffix_optional
    local_part_suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : -confirm+* : -join : -leave : -owner : -request: -admin
    transport = mailman_transport


mailman_transport:
    driver = pipe
    command = MAILMAN_WRAP '${if def:local_part_suffix \
        {${sg{$local_part_suffix}{-(\\w+)(\\+.*)?}{\$1}}} {post}}' $local_part
        current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
        home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
        user = MAILMAN_USER
        group = MAILMAN_GROUP

--------------------------------




From admin at chronosnet.com  Thu Jun 10 17:07:21 2004
From: admin at chronosnet.com (Chronos Admin)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:07:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML E-mails
In-Reply-To: <p06002004bcedddb5b205@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <BCEDD549.108D8%admin@chronosnet.com>

> If you turn off content filtering, then Mailman will not scrub
> any mail messages that come through to the list.  Assuming that the
> incoming message does not fall victim to the anti-spam settings, it
> will be accepted and sent on to the recipients, without being changed
> or modified (although it might be held for moderation).

Thanks for responding. It still does not work correctly. Mailman is doing
something funky to the html email. The following code is from an email
received from Mailman, this email did not display any html at all (I'll only
include the portion that I think relevant):

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mime-version: 1.0
From: announce at lists.chronosnet.com
Subject: [Chronos Announcements] Another Test
X-BeenThere: announce at lists.chronosnet.com
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
List-Id: announce.lists.chronosnet.com
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.chronosnet.com/mailman/listinfo/announce>,
    <mailto:announce-request at lists.chronosnet.com?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Post: <mailto:announce at lists.chronosnet.com>
List-Help: <mailto:announce-request at lists.chronosnet.com?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.chronosnet.com/mailman/listinfo/announce>,
    <mailto:announce-request at lists.chronosnet.com?subject=subscribe>
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2036615803=="
Sender: announce-bounces at lists.chronosnet.com
Errors-To: announce-bounces at lists.chronosnet.com
Status:   

--===============2036615803==
Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="alternative_boundary"

--alternative_boundary
Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit

This plain text message appears since your e-mail client does not support
HTML.

--alternative_boundary
Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable


 
<html>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

I sent the same email to myself without going through Mailman. The email
displayed correctly.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mime-version: 1.0
Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="alternative_boundary"
Status:   

--alternative_boundary
Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit

This plain text message appears since your e-mail client does not support
HTML.

--alternative_boundary
Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable


 
<html>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Any suggestions? 

-Adam




From jeff at look.net  Thu Jun 10 17:14:52 2004
From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:14:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: how-to make announce-like mail list: several
	write, all other read only
In-Reply-To: <20040610113623.5CFC8A1053@mail.tvit.ru>
References: <20040610083209.7010BA108E@mail.tvit.ru>
	<p06002005bcedde4cd553@[10.0.1.3]>
	<20040610113623.5CFC8A1053@mail.tvit.ru>
Message-ID: <EC6D7A29-BAF0-11D8-8986-000A959666F6@look.net>


On Jun 10, 2004, at 7:36 AM, Dmitry V. Sukhodoev wrote:

> Brad Knowles ?????(?):
>>>  i have successfully installed Mailman 2.1.5 and this works funny.  
>>> now i
>>>  need make mailing list with news/announces, where will can post only
>>>  selected people and all other only read this list.
>>>  i have found only one possible way to do this - to make all users
>>> moderated, and process all their messages by moderator, before it  
>>> posted
>>>  to lists.
>> 	That's basically the method recommended by  
>> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? 
>> req=show&file=faq03.011.htp>.
>
> thanks for link, i will use it now. there have some interesting info:  
> "A
> more secure alternative is for your approved posters to add an Approved
> header to their postings as a header, or as the first line of the  
> post)."
> i have been try add "Approved: <list_admin_pwd>" as first line in  
> message.
> its cuted off by Mailman, but message still moves to list admins for
> approving. whats wrong?

I wouldn't recommend trying to use the Approved: <pass> method in the  
body like that, only as part of the headers. If the mail client decides  
to encode a Approved: line in the body and then you let the message  
through you might expose the list password to the list membership  
unintentionally.


-Jeff


From stpeter at jabber.org  Thu Jun 10 16:29:01 2004
From: stpeter at jabber.org (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:29:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one dead list (all others fine)
In-Reply-To: <20040610123923.GB19934@jabber.org>
References: <20040609233023.GE1794@jabber.org>
	<20040610123923.GB19934@jabber.org>
Message-ID: <20040610142901.GG21684@jabber.org>

Finally, mail to jadmin-owner gets distributed but mail to 
jadmin-admin does not.

P

On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 07:39:23AM -0500, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> Also, running 'bin/check_db jadmin' results in no complaints.
> 
> Peter
> 
> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 06:30:23PM -0500, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> > Last week, one of the mailing lists for which I'm an admin stopped
> > sending out messages (I was gone, so I didn't notice until today). All
> > the other lists on this same server are functioning properly. The list
> > (jadmin at jabber.org) has fairly high volume but so do other lists on the 
> > server. We are running Mailman 2.1.3 (upgraded in February, no troubles 
> > since then, well, other than some posts not being archived -- we'll 
> > leave that for another message) on Debian testing with Postfix. The 
> > perms for this list seem fine (same as other lists on the machine). I 
> > have enabled emergency moderation and posts to the list are now held in 
> > the admin queue, but if I approve a message it does not get distributed 
> > to the list. Neither is mail to jadmin-admin at jabber.org delivered to the 
> > list admins. The last timestamp on the mbox file for this list is
> > 2004-06-02T17:17 (no mail sent since then). 
> > 
> > I'm puzzled. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.
> > 
> > BTW, before sending this mail I did the following:
> > 
> > 0. Ran the check_perms script.
> > 1. Verified that cron is running.
> > 2. Checked aliases and ran newaliases.
> > 3. Verified that postfix doesn't use smrsh.
> > 4. Checked interface (other lists working fine).
> > 5. Checked that qrunner is working fine.
> > 6. Checked for locks (none on the offending list).
> > 7. Checked logs but don't see any egregious errors.
> > 8. Cleared out the qfiles.
> > 9. Checked SMTPHOST (other lists working fine).
> > 
> > Since this list is the main list for administrators of Jabber servers 
> > (the IM equivalent of mailman-users, if you will), I'm eager to get it 
> > running again.
> > 
> > Many thanks.
> > 
> > Peter
> > 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 

-- 
Peter Saint-Andre
Jabber Software Foundation
http://www.jabber.org/people/stpeter.php




From tpf at canes.gsw.edu  Thu Jun 10 17:34:39 2004
From: tpf at canes.gsw.edu (Tim Faircloth)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:34:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation - Admin interface question
In-Reply-To: <A6CEC7C7D5E4C54A943742CE2295EF2B288D98@VSL1A.saclink.csus. edu>
References: <A6CEC7C7D5E4C54A943742CE2295EF2B288D98@VSL1A.saclink.csus.edu>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20040610113240.025c6ee0@canes.gsw.edu>

At 02:30 PM 6/9/2004, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I'm trying to install Mailman 2.1.4 on an HP-UX 11.00 machine.  I think
>I've done everything correctly, but not being that familiar with list
>servers or web interfaces in general, I've gotten to the point where I'm
>stumped.  Maybe someone can help.
>
>I'm in Step 4 (Final System Setup) of the installation doc.  I've
>created the site-wide mailing list.  I've browsed the sitelist.cfg file
>and decided for the time being just to accept the defaults.  The next
>step is to subscribe myself to the site list - exactly how do I do that?
>It says to use the admin interface - but how do I get to it?  If someone
>can either point me to some doc. that explains this, or explain it to
>me, I'd be most grateful!
>
>Let me know if you need more info.  They are probably basic questions,
>but I'd appreciate any help I can get.

visit the admin web page (change "yoursite" in the url to the domain name 
of your machine):

http://yourdomain/mailman/admin/mailman

/tim
-- 
Tim Faircloth, System Administrator
GSW OIIT
Office: (229) 931-5076	Beeper: (229) 928-1458




From jeff at look.net  Thu Jun 10 17:21:51 2004
From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:21:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one dead list (all others fine)
In-Reply-To: <20040609233023.GE1794@jabber.org>
References: <20040609233023.GE1794@jabber.org>
Message-ID: <E5E70CD6-BAF1-11D8-8986-000A959666F6@look.net>


On Jun 9, 2004, at 7:30 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:

> Last week, one of the mailing lists for which I'm an admin stopped
> sending out messages (I was gone, so I didn't notice until today). All
> the other lists on this same server are functioning properly. The list
> (jadmin at jabber.org) has fairly high volume but so do other lists on the
> server. We are running Mailman 2.1.3 (upgraded in February, no troubles
> since then, well, other than some posts not being archived -- we'll
> leave that for another message) on Debian testing with Postfix. The
> perms for this list seem fine (same as other lists on the machine). I
> have enabled emergency moderation and posts to the list are now held in
> the admin queue, but if I approve a message it does not get distributed
> to the list. Neither is mail to jadmin-admin at jabber.org delivered to 
> the
> list admins. The last timestamp on the mbox file for this list is
> 2004-06-02T17:17 (no mail sent since then).
>
> I'm puzzled. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.

Have you check through the mailman logs? You should see the message 
being held (and released) in the 'vette' log and then you should see it 
go out in the 'smtp' log. If you don't see the message in the 'smtp' 
log, check 'smtp-failures'. If you DO see it in the 'smtp' log then 
check your postfix log. You should be able to follow the message 
through the smtp-id of the message.


-Jeff




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 10 17:36:52 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:36:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman wrappen+exim 4.22
In-Reply-To: <20040608152435.52ee1ecd.vlad@ccs.ru>
References: <20040608152435.52ee1ecd.vlad@ccs.ru>
Message-ID: <p06002008bcee303d868f@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:24 PM +0400 2004-06-08, vlad f halilow wrote:

>  hello. i have installed mailman 2.0.11-1woody8 from debian. MM working
>  under exim 4.22, and working correctly except one thing.

	Hmm.  Have you seen the pages linked from 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.019.htp>?

	My understanding is that the documentation at exim.org assumes 
you're using Mailman 2.1.x with Exim 4.x, or Mailman 2.0.x with Exim 
3.x.  I don't know if they've got anything for people using an older 
version of Mailman with the recent version of Exim.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 10 17:49:01 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:49:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation - Admin interface
 question
In-Reply-To: <A6CEC7C7D5E4C54A943742CE2295EF2B288D98@VSL1A.saclink.csus.edu>
References: <A6CEC7C7D5E4C54A943742CE2295EF2B288D98@VSL1A.saclink.csus.edu>
Message-ID: <p0600200abcee330d2f22@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:30 AM -0700 2004-06-09, Poythress, Lynn wrote:

>  I'm in Step 4 (Final System Setup) of the installation doc.  I've
>  created the site-wide mailing list.  I've browsed the sitelist.cfg file
>  and decided for the time being just to accept the defaults.  The next
>  step is to subscribe myself to the site list - exactly how do I do that?
>  It says to use the admin interface - but how do I get to it?  If someone
>  can either point me to some doc. that explains this, or explain it to
>  me, I'd be most grateful!

	I don't think you subscribe yourself to the site list.  IIRC, 
that's only used for managing addresses which are bouncing.  When you 
want to create a list, you go to the URL you specified in your 
mm_cfg.py, and you should be able to follow the prompts from there 
(i.e., click on the link to go to the admin page, click on the link 
to create a new list, type in your password, etc...).

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 10 17:47:08 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:47:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to delete all administrative
 requests
In-Reply-To: <LDEIIHEEKMLCEPABBOIIGEILDPAA.gbalda@glomanet.com>
References: <LDEIIHEEKMLCEPABBOIIGEILDPAA.gbalda@glomanet.com>
Message-ID: <p06002009bcee310db742@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:17 PM +0200 2004-06-09, Gian-Carlo Baldarelli - Glomanet ISP wrote:

>  my list has been spammed so I got thousands emails pending has
>  administrative requests

	Are these the result of sender filters, content filters, or spam filters?

>  How can I delete all requests ?
>
>  Can I stop administrarive requests (posted by a non menmber)

	Caveat: everything I say here is relative to a Mailman 2.1.5 
implementation.

	If the administrative requests are coming in as a result of 
sender filters, you can go to the "Privacy Options/Sender Filters" 
page and set the default action to be "discard" for moderated members 
(member_moderated_action), the generic default action if nothing else 
matches (generic_nonmember_action), and you can choose whether or not 
the admin gets all copies of discarded messages.

	If they are coming in as a result of spam filters, then you can 
go to the "Privacy Options/Spam Filters" page, and set the action for 
header_filter_rules to be "discard".

	If they are a result of content filtering, go to the "Content 
Filter" page, and set the filter_action to be "discard".

	On the General Options page, you can set admin_immed_notify to be 
"No", so that you don't get spammed with an admin notice every time a 
message comes in that is captured by the above rules.


	Otherwise, there are some patches referenced in the archives 
which will set the default action to be "discard" on the "Tend to 
pending moderator requests" page, so that you can deal with all 
pending requests with a single click.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 10 18:08:25 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:08:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML E-mails
In-Reply-To: <BCEDD549.108D8%admin@chronosnet.com>
References: <BCEDD549.108D8%admin@chronosnet.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200dbcee369e0546@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:07 AM -0600 2004-06-10, Chronos Admin wrote:

>  Thanks for responding. It still does not work correctly. Mailman is doing
>  something funky to the html email. The following code is from an email
>  received from Mailman, this email did not display any html at all (I'll only
>  include the portion that I think relevant):

	You're posting the message in a MIME/HTML encoded fashion, and 
since Mailman can't figure out how to perform the necessary surgery 
to decode the MIME/HTML in the proper fashion so that it can apply 
the footer correctly, it is wrapping the entire message in another 
MIME bodypart and then adding another MIME bodypart for the footer.

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From sandyhansenaauw at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 10 19:48:57 2004
From: sandyhansenaauw at hotmail.com (Sandra Hansen)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:48:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Unexpected Mailman error
Message-ID: <000601c44f13$345b2d20$5fa9f242@SANDYSLAPTOP>

Since Monday, I have been having problems with one of the mailing lists
I administer. All of the lists are moderated. Another person and I share
moderator duties for this list. Somehow messages have been distributed
to our 800+ subscribers containing an attachment with the Bagle virus. I
am running MailMan 2.0.11. We ARE seeking an administrator with Unix
experience to upgrade our MailMan system. Meanwhile, I'm struggling with
the problem. I CANNOT find any place in MailMan to block all
attachments. Reading documentation, there appeared to be a patch to MM
through 2.0.8 that was a MIME handler. Was that enabled in 2.0.11? My
ISP is recommending an upgrade from SendMail 8.11.x to SendMail 8.12
which appears to incorporate MIMEDefang. However, Sendmail is not
installed where they say I should be able to find the README.txt file,
so I am awaiting further info from the ISP.

Meanwhile, I have received the following MailMan error message. Is it
related to whatever is allowing postings to go out without moderation?
How do I implement a fix? I have exchanged xxx in the following message
for the actual strings, having list and domain names--

-----Original Message-----
From: xxx-owner at xxx.org [mailto: (me)] On Behalf Of xxx-admin at xxx.org
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:27 AM
To: xxx-admin at xxx.org
Subject: Unexpected Mailman error


An unexpected Mailman error has occurred in
MailCommandHandler.ParseMailCommands().  Here is the traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/home/xxx/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py",
line 223, in ParseMailCommands
    self.__dispatch[cmd](args, line, msg)
  File "/usr/home/xxx/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py",
line 665, in ProcessHelpCmd
    {'listname'    : self.real_name,
  File "/usr/home/xxx/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 503, in
maketext
    text = template % SafeDict(dict)
ValueError: incomplete format key

Thanks, Sandy Hansen
Director of Communications
AAUW of California (there--you know what organization--for better or
worse!)



From stpeter at jabber.org  Thu Jun 10 19:55:26 2004
From: stpeter at jabber.org (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:55:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Unexpected Mailman error
In-Reply-To: <000601c44f13$345b2d20$5fa9f242@SANDYSLAPTOP>
References: <000601c44f13$345b2d20$5fa9f242@SANDYSLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <20040610175526.GA12911@jabber.org>

Upgrade to 2.1.3 -- it has nice content filtering options.

Peter

On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 10:48:57AM -0700, Sandra Hansen wrote:
> Since Monday, I have been having problems with one of the mailing lists
> I administer. All of the lists are moderated. Another person and I share
> moderator duties for this list. Somehow messages have been distributed
> to our 800+ subscribers containing an attachment with the Bagle virus. I
> am running MailMan 2.0.11. We ARE seeking an administrator with Unix
> experience to upgrade our MailMan system. Meanwhile, I'm struggling with
> the problem. I CANNOT find any place in MailMan to block all
> attachments. Reading documentation, there appeared to be a patch to MM
> through 2.0.8 that was a MIME handler. Was that enabled in 2.0.11? My
> ISP is recommending an upgrade from SendMail 8.11.x to SendMail 8.12
> which appears to incorporate MIMEDefang. However, Sendmail is not
> installed where they say I should be able to find the README.txt file,
> so I am awaiting further info from the ISP.
> 
> Meanwhile, I have received the following MailMan error message. Is it
> related to whatever is allowing postings to go out without moderation?
> How do I implement a fix? I have exchanged xxx in the following message
> for the actual strings, having list and domain names--
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxx-owner at xxx.org [mailto: (me)] On Behalf Of xxx-admin at xxx.org
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:27 AM
> To: xxx-admin at xxx.org
> Subject: Unexpected Mailman error
> 
> 
> An unexpected Mailman error has occurred in
> MailCommandHandler.ParseMailCommands().  Here is the traceback:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/home/xxx/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py",
> line 223, in ParseMailCommands
>     self.__dispatch[cmd](args, line, msg)
>   File "/usr/home/xxx/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py",
> line 665, in ProcessHelpCmd
>     {'listname'    : self.real_name,
>   File "/usr/home/xxx/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 503, in
> maketext
>     text = template % SafeDict(dict)
> ValueError: incomplete format key
> 
> Thanks, Sandy Hansen
> Director of Communications
> AAUW of California (there--you know what organization--for better or
> worse!)
> 



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 10 20:01:35 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:01:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Unexpected Mailman error
In-Reply-To: <000601c44f13$345b2d20$5fa9f242@SANDYSLAPTOP>
References: <000601c44f13$345b2d20$5fa9f242@SANDYSLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <p06002014bcee50c4266a@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:48 AM -0700 2004-06-10, Sandra Hansen wrote:

>                                  Somehow messages have been distributed
>  to our 800+ subscribers containing an attachment with the Bagle virus. I
>  am running MailMan 2.0.11. We ARE seeking an administrator with Unix
>  experience to upgrade our MailMan system. Meanwhile, I'm struggling with
>  the problem. I CANNOT find any place in MailMan to block all
>  attachments.

	See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.008.htp> 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.013.htp>.

>                                                                     My
>  ISP is recommending an upgrade from SendMail 8.11.x to SendMail 8.12
>  which appears to incorporate MIMEDefang.

	So far as I know, MIMEDefang is not incorporated by default with 
sendmail 8.12.  You can choose to incorporate MIMEDefang with 
sendmail if you like (or most any other MTA, if you prefer something 
other than sendmail), but this is not done by default.

	It might be simplest to upgrade to Mailman 2.1.x, which provides 
some MIME handling features which could be used to strip most types 
of attachments.

>  Meanwhile, I have received the following MailMan error message. Is it
>  related to whatever is allowing postings to go out without moderation?
>  How do I implement a fix? I have exchanged xxx in the following message
>  for the actual strings, having list and domain names--
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: xxx-owner at xxx.org [mailto: (me)] On Behalf Of xxx-admin at xxx.org
>  Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:27 AM
>  To: xxx-admin at xxx.org
>  Subject: Unexpected Mailman error
>
>
>  An unexpected Mailman error has occurred in
>  MailCommandHandler.ParseMailCommands().  Here is the traceback:
>
>  Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "/usr/home/xxx/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py",
>  line 223, in ParseMailCommands
>      self.__dispatch[cmd](args, line, msg)
>    File "/usr/home/xxx/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py",
>  line 665, in ProcessHelpCmd
>      {'listname'    : self.real_name,
>    File "/usr/home/xxx/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 503, in
>  maketext
>      text = template % SafeDict(dict)
>  ValueError: incomplete format key

	I'm not sure what this error message means.

	However, until you get some sort of method of protecting your 
subscribers against malicious attachments being sent via the mailing 
list, I would urge you to *not* allow any messages to go through 
un-moderated.


	Trust me, if you allow messages to go out un-moderated, once one 
user gets infected with a virus/worm like Bagle, your problem could 
explode by many orders of magnitude.  You do *not* want your problem 
to become 800+ users mailing out copies of Bagle to all of the other 
800+ subscribers, and each time a person gets re-infected, they 
re-mail out the same virus to all the other 800+ subscribers.

	Talk about a serious melt-down.  Yowch!

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 10 20:03:25 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:03:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Unexpected Mailman error
In-Reply-To: <20040610175526.GA12911@jabber.org>
References: <000601c44f13$345b2d20$5fa9f242@SANDYSLAPTOP>
	<20040610175526.GA12911@jabber.org>
Message-ID: <p06002015bcee52c69ea5@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:55 PM -0500 2004-06-10, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:

>  Upgrade to 2.1.3 -- it has nice content filtering options.

	Make that 2.1.5.  There are some major improvements included, 
especially with regards to spam processing and bulk handling of admin 
requests.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From stpeter at jabber.org  Thu Jun 10 21:44:04 2004
From: stpeter at jabber.org (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:44:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Unexpected Mailman error
In-Reply-To: <p06002015bcee52c69ea5@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <000601c44f13$345b2d20$5fa9f242@SANDYSLAPTOP>
	<20040610175526.GA12911@jabber.org>
	<p06002015bcee52c69ea5@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <20040610194404.GC12911@jabber.org>

On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 08:03:25PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 12:55 PM -0500 2004-06-10, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> 
> > Upgrade to 2.1.3 -- it has nice content filtering options.
> 
> 	Make that 2.1.5.  There are some major improvements included, 
> especially with regards to spam processing and bulk handling of admin 
> requests.

Will 2.1.5 solve the mystery of my list that won't send out messages
(when every other list on the server works fine)? :-)

Peter

-- 
Peter Saint-Andre
Jabber Software Foundation
http://www.jabber.org/people/stpeter.php




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 10 22:53:02 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:53:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Unexpected Mailman error
In-Reply-To: <20040610194404.GC12911@jabber.org>
References: <000601c44f13$345b2d20$5fa9f242@SANDYSLAPTOP>
	<20040610175526.GA12911@jabber.org>
	<p06002015bcee52c69ea5@[10.0.1.3]>
	<20040610194404.GC12911@jabber.org>
Message-ID: <p06002016bcee7a91f242@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:44 PM -0500 2004-06-10, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:

>  Will 2.1.5 solve the mystery of my list that won't send out messages
>  (when every other list on the server works fine)? :-)

	Well, 2.1.5 is an improvement, but I fear it probably won't solve 
this problem.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From jeff at look.net  Thu Jun 10 23:20:09 2004
From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:20:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one dead list (all others fine)
In-Reply-To: <20040610165349.GH21684@jabber.org>
References: <20040609233023.GE1794@jabber.org>
	<E5E70CD6-BAF1-11D8-8986-000A959666F6@look.net>
	<20040610165349.GH21684@jabber.org>
Message-ID: <F3C207F0-BB23-11D8-A069-000A959666F6@look.net>


On Jun 10, 2004, at 12:53 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:

>
> My logs for digest, locks, post, qrunner, smtp, and smtp-failure are
> empty. Presumably there is some configuration option that specifies
> which logs are enabled, eh?

There's a configuration variable (LOG_DIR) for the log location that 
may have been changed. It should be in either mm_cfg.py or Defaults.py. 
The 'normal' value is "os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'logs')". It should 
tell you where the logs are at.

-Jeff




From pjaros at blue-fox.com  Thu Jun 10 23:59:18 2004
From: pjaros at blue-fox.com (Peter Jaros)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:59:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just one list not archiving
Message-ID: <6B9E1254-BB29-11D8-BDE1-000A27B3913C@blue-fox.com>

A single list at my site is failing to archive its messages.  The
messages are sent out, but they never get to the archives.  The
other lists archive just fine.

I've also found lots of these in my error log:

   Jun 10 14:32:40 2004 (16971) No such list "index.php":
   Jun 10 14:40:31 2004 (17050) No such list "images":

Not sure if its related.

Any sort of pointer or aid is REALLY appreciated.  I've been
struggling with this for a while now and I have absolutely no clue
what the problem is.

Peter


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From zzizzle at zzizzle.com  Fri Jun 11 00:16:42 2004
From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com (zzizzle.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:16:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Altering "confirm subscription request" pages
In-Reply-To: <20040610161720.A428E28602@ludo.dreamhost.com>
References: <20040610161720.A428E28602@ludo.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <DA4FE74E-BB2B-11D8-8864-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com>

Anyone know how to alter the html of the "confirm subscription request" 
and the "subscription request confirmed" pages?  Please explain in 
simple, non-programmer terms.  I am good at html and flash, but not 
much else :)  If you know of a way to have the user's clicking his 
confirmation link automatically confirm them, and then send them to a 
URL of your own choice, that would be ideal.  I don't like the text the 
system provides.  It's unnecessarily confusing.
Thanks!
Jonathan
www.zzizzle.com
www.nerdlicious.com




From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Fri Jun 11 00:33:10 2004
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:33:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing subscribers to topics
Message-ID: <40C8E1A6.70601@state.or.us>

Is there a way, other than using the subscriber user page to subsribe 
subscribers to specific topics?. I have a list of about 1000 subscribers 
that I would like to break out into 5 topics. I don't want to rely on 
the subscribers to have to do this. So, any ideas on how to do this in 
batch via one of the provided MM utilities or other methods?

-- 
Christopher Adams







From srainwater at ncc.com  Fri Jun 11 00:35:49 2004
From: srainwater at ncc.com (R. Steven Rainwater)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:35:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] After upgrade to 2.1.1 info field not working
Message-ID: <1086906949.30651.65.camel@rodan.ncc.com>

I'm in the process of moving a number of mailing lists from a server
running Mailman 2.0.5 to 2.1.1 and have run into a minor problem. Any
HTML entered in the list info field such as anchor tags does not display
correctly on 2.1.1. Instead of showing up as HTML, the pointy brackets
are escaped as &lt; and &gt; and visible as raw HTML markup on the web
page. In otherwords, where we used to see an clickable link on the 2.0.5
list info page, on 2.1.1, we see the raw HTML: <a
href="blah.com">link</a>

I've looked in the FAQ and searched Google but didn't find any fix
(though I did run across other folks experiencing the problem). Any
ideas?

-Steve




From srainwater at ncc.com  Fri Jun 11 00:50:23 2004
From: srainwater at ncc.com (R. Steven Rainwater)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:50:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] After upgrade to 2.1.1 info field not working
In-Reply-To: <1086906949.30651.65.camel@rodan.ncc.com>
References: <1086906949.30651.65.camel@rodan.ncc.com>
Message-ID: <1086907822.30651.70.camel@rodan.ncc.com>

If it helps to see an example, here is a list info page from both
versions of one our lists. This one has only one anchor tag, so it's
easy to see the problem:

The old 2.0.5 version (works):
  http://nimon.ncc.com/mailman/listinfo/dprglist

The new 2.1.1 version (busted):
 http://mail.ncc.com/mailman/listinfo/dprglist

-Steve

On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 17:35, R. Steven Rainwater wrote:
> I'm in the process of moving a number of mailing lists from a server
> running Mailman 2.0.5 to 2.1.1 and have run into a minor problem. Any
> HTML entered in the list info field such as anchor tags does not display
> correctly on 2.1.1. Instead of showing up as HTML, the pointy brackets
> are escaped as &lt; and &gt; and visible as raw HTML markup on the web
> page. In otherwords, where we used to see an clickable link on the 2.0.5
> list info page, on 2.1.1, we see the raw HTML: <a
> href="blah.com">link</a>
> 
> I've looked in the FAQ and searched Google but didn't find any fix
> (though I did run across other folks experiencing the problem). Any
> ideas?
> 
> -Steve
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From rstone75 at kc.rr.com  Fri Jun 11 00:59:07 2004
From: rstone75 at kc.rr.com (Rick Stone)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:59:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman docs and use
Message-ID: <0bfb01c44f3e$88c70ed0$6401a8c0@RicksPC>

Greetings

I'm a total newbie to Mailman. It appears to be the mailing list of choice by my web host. So here I am. 

I've been digging through what documentation I can find, but seem to be coming up dry in finding anything that lays out in very simple terms what to do. For example, I see that I can edit a form where users go to "sign up" for my mailing list. Fair enough. But I'm unclear on exactly how they will get to this form. I am assuming a URL of some sort off my site will get them there? How do I determine the URL?

Additionally, I'm not seeing anything that advises me on how I will be sending messages to my list. I'm wanting it to work as follows:

Users sign up for the list.
Periodically, I plan on sending announcement messages via the list that will end up in the users' in-boxes as E-Mail messages. Typically these would be announcements about site changes that the subscribers may be interested in.

Any insights or pointers to some good docs will be appreciated! 

Rick :)

From stpeter at jabber.org  Fri Jun 11 01:31:57 2004
From: stpeter at jabber.org (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:31:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one dead list (all others fine)
In-Reply-To: <20040609233023.GE1794@jabber.org>
References: <20040609233023.GE1794@jabber.org>
Message-ID: <20040610233157.GA28070@jabber.org>

Thanks to help via Jabber from some uber-admin in Spain, I determined
that I needed to upgrade to 2.1.5. Unfortunately, now my web interface
is broken so I can't disable the emergency moderation feature (thus
preventing me from testing the broken list). So step one for me now is
to get the web interfaces working. I've tried to tweak mm_cfg.py but it
still seems to be reading a different configuration (e.g., it is trying
to launch */cgi-bin/* even though both mm_cfg and Deafults.py exclude
that in the URLs).

/me goes to RTFM some more

Peter

On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 06:30:23PM -0500, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> Last week, one of the mailing lists for which I'm an admin stopped
> sending out messages (I was gone, so I didn't notice until today). All
> the other lists on this same server are functioning properly. The list
> (jadmin at jabber.org) has fairly high volume but so do other lists on the 
> server. We are running Mailman 2.1.3 (upgraded in February, no troubles 
> since then, well, other than some posts not being archived -- we'll 
> leave that for another message) on Debian testing with Postfix. The 
> perms for this list seem fine (same as other lists on the machine). I 
> have enabled emergency moderation and posts to the list are now held in 
> the admin queue, but if I approve a message it does not get distributed 
> to the list. Neither is mail to jadmin-admin at jabber.org delivered to the 
> list admins. The last timestamp on the mbox file for this list is
> 2004-06-02T17:17 (no mail sent since then). 
> 
> I'm puzzled. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.
> 
> BTW, before sending this mail I did the following:
> 
> 0. Ran the check_perms script.
> 1. Verified that cron is running.
> 2. Checked aliases and ran newaliases.
> 3. Verified that postfix doesn't use smrsh.
> 4. Checked interface (other lists working fine).
> 5. Checked that qrunner is working fine.
> 6. Checked for locks (none on the offending list).
> 7. Checked logs but don't see any egregious errors.
> 8. Cleared out the qfiles.
> 9. Checked SMTPHOST (other lists working fine).
> 
> Since this list is the main list for administrators of Jabber servers 
> (the IM equivalent of mailman-users, if you will), I'm eager to get it 
> running again.
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
> Peter
> 
> -- 
> Peter Saint-Andre
> Jabber Software Foundation
> http://www.jabber.org/people/stpeter.php
> 



From relson at osagesoftware.com  Fri Jun 11 01:47:49 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:47:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one dead list (all others fine)
In-Reply-To: <20040610233157.GA28070@jabber.org>
References: <20040609233023.GE1794@jabber.org>
	<20040610233157.GA28070@jabber.org>
Message-ID: <20040610194749.055d12d9@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:31:57 -0500
Peter Saint-Andre wrote:

> Thanks to help via Jabber from some uber-admin in Spain, I determined
> that I needed to upgrade to 2.1.5. Unfortunately, now my web interface
> is broken so I can't disable the emergency moderation feature (thus
> preventing me from testing the broken list). So step one for me now is
> to get the web interfaces working. I've tried to tweak mm_cfg.py but
> it still seems to be reading a different configuration (e.g., it is
> trying to launch */cgi-bin/* even though both mm_cfg and Deafults.py
> exclude that in the URLs).
> 
> /me goes to RTFM some more
> 
> Peter

Hi Peter,

When I upgraded from 2.1.14 to 2.1.15 my web interface also broke -- and
displayed a python error and list of method calls.  If recollection
serves, there was a complaint about incorrect permissions.  For me, the
fix was to run mailman's "check_perms -f" command.  Perhaps this will
help.

Regards,

David





From stpeter at jabber.org  Fri Jun 11 01:54:44 2004
From: stpeter at jabber.org (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:54:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one dead list (all others fine)
In-Reply-To: <20040610194749.055d12d9@osage.osagesoftware.com>
References: <20040609233023.GE1794@jabber.org>
	<20040610233157.GA28070@jabber.org>
	<20040610194749.055d12d9@osage.osagesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <20040610235444.GB28070@jabber.org>

On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 07:47:49PM -0400, David Relson wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:31:57 -0500
> Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> 
> > Thanks to help via Jabber from some uber-admin in Spain, I determined
> > that I needed to upgrade to 2.1.5. Unfortunately, now my web interface
> > is broken so I can't disable the emergency moderation feature (thus
> > preventing me from testing the broken list). So step one for me now is
> > to get the web interfaces working. I've tried to tweak mm_cfg.py but
> > it still seems to be reading a different configuration (e.g., it is
> > trying to launch */cgi-bin/* even though both mm_cfg and Deafults.py
> > exclude that in the URLs).
> > 
> > /me goes to RTFM some more
> > 
> > Peter
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> When I upgraded from 2.1.14 to 2.1.15 my web interface also broke -- and
> displayed a python error and list of method calls.  If recollection
> serves, there was a complaint about incorrect permissions.  For me, the
> fix was to run mailman's "check_perms -f" command.  Perhaps this will
> help.

Already did that. The web interface will load correctly if I go to
http://www.dom.ain/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/blah but halfway through any 
admin task it dumps me out to https://www.dom/ain/mailman/admin/blah
(which does NOT work even though those URLs worked before and are
configured in mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py). I noticed that some .pyo and
.pyc files matched the string "cgi-bin" so I moved those to /tmp/ and
still things don't work.

Sigh.

Peter




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 11 03:03:52 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:03:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to delete all administrative 
 requests
In-Reply-To: <p06002009bcee310db742@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <LDEIIHEEKMLCEPABBOIIGEILDPAA.gbalda@glomanet.com>
	<p06002009bcee310db742@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <p0600201cbceeb550b73b@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:47 PM +0200 2004-06-10, Brad Knowles wrote:

>  	Otherwise, there are some patches referenced in the archives which
>  will set the default action to be "discard" on the "Tend to pending
>  moderator requests" page, so that you can deal with all pending
>  requests with a single click.

	Of course, you may also want to see FAQ entry 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.012.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From jeff at look.net  Fri Jun 11 03:21:57 2004
From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:21:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one dead list (all others fine)
In-Reply-To: <20040610235444.GB28070@jabber.org>
References: <20040609233023.GE1794@jabber.org>
	<20040610233157.GA28070@jabber.org>
	<20040610194749.055d12d9@osage.osagesoftware.com>
	<20040610235444.GB28070@jabber.org>
Message-ID: <BB35527B-BB45-11D8-A332-000A959666F6@look.net>


On Jun 10, 2004, at 7:54 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:

>
> Already did that. The web interface will load correctly if I go to
> http://www.dom.ain/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/blah but halfway through any
> admin task it dumps me out to https://www.dom/ain/mailman/admin/blah
> (which does NOT work even though those URLs worked before and are
> configured in mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py). I noticed that some .pyo and
> .pyc files matched the string "cgi-bin" so I moved those to /tmp/ and
> still things don't work.

Can't think of why it might have changed, but have you checked to make 
sure the ScriptAlias directive in your apache conf is set correctly?

I do expect the problem (at least this one) is in your mm_cfg.py file. 
The DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN (in mm_cfg.py) should be something like 
'http://%s/mailman/' or 'http://dom.ain/mailman/'. I'm assuming that 
you don't have mailman installed within your apache cgi-bin - somehow I 
don't think that would be a good idea...

If changes had originally been made to Defaults.py instead of mm_cfg.py 
then those changes were likely overwritten when you upgraded.

You might replace the mm_cfg.py file (back it up first, of course) in 
the Mailman directory with a blank one and stop/start via mailmanctl. 
If it works then you know the problem is in your mm_cfg.py file. If it 
is, start a fresh one and being moving the configuration over one line 
at a time until you find the problem. If you want to send me your 
mm_cfg.py file (via private mail) I'll look over it and see if I can 
see any obvious problems in it for you.


BTW, did you ever find your log files?


-Jeff




From skip at gateway.ualberta.ca  Fri Jun 11 04:27:27 2004
From: skip at gateway.ualberta.ca (David Zeibin)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:27:27 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a Sendmail-style alias file to determine list
	recipients?
Message-ID: <BCEE74AF.74DE%skip@gateway.ualberta.ca>

Hello fellow Mailman users,

I'm running Mac OS X Server 10.3 with the default Mailman installation.
Everything is installed and running fine (as per OSX's nice GUI), but I was
wondering if it's possible to have Mailman read list recipients from
Sendmail-style alias files in a user-definable location. Or can I alter the
list of recipients from a custom-built script, for example. My problem right
now is that I cannot find the alias files that contain the list recipients.

I have found the aliases file in "/var/mailman/data/" but I just see my
mailing lists being sent to the mailman script at
"|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman post listnamehere"

After scanning through the FAQs and through the code for any 'post'-related
scripts I could find, I'm none the wiser as to where the recipients are
listed. (I don't know Python as well as I should.)

[The long story is that this organization wants a custom membership database
(accessible only to administrators) that I will be designing. The web
interface for the database will allow administrators to un/subscribe various
users from various mailing lists (which I basically want to just dump into
aptly named files - using PHP, for example - that Mailman will read and then
send to). So, if I can alter Mailman's lists from outside of Mailman's web
interface, I'm golden. Is this even possible?]

Any directions to online resources or any help you might offer is much
appreciated. Thank you very much in advance.

All the best,

::

David "Skip" Zeibin
http://www.gateway.ualberta.ca/




From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Jun 11 06:34:37 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:34:37 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing subscribers to topics
In-Reply-To: <40C8E1A6.70601@state.or.us>
References: <40C8E1A6.70601@state.or.us>
Message-ID: <A54E111E-BB60-11D8-89F1-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Jun 11, 2004, at 07:33, Christopher Adams wrote:

> Is there a way, other than using the subscriber user page to subsribe 
> subscribers to specific topics?. I have a list of about 1000 
> subscribers that I would like to break out into 5 topics. I don't want 
> to rely on the subscribers to have to do this. So, any ideas on how to 
> do this in batch via one of the provided MM utilities or other 
> methods?

You can do this sort of thing with bin/withlist, taking advantage of 
the documentation that is embedded in Mailman/MemberAdaptor.py.

Create a file called addtopic.py:

from Mailman.Errors import NotAMemberError
from Mailman import mm_cfg
import sys

def addtopic(m, addr, topic):
     try:
         if topic not in [x[0] for x in m.topics]:
             print topic, "is not a valid topic for list"
             sys.exit(2)
         topic_list = m.getMemberTopics(addr)
         # add the topic for this member if not already subscribed
         if topic not in topic_list:
             m.setMemberTopics(addr, topic_list + [topic])
         # set subscriber to not receive non-topical posts
         m.setMemberOption(addr, mm_cfg.ReceiveNonmatchingTopics, 
mm_cfg.No)
         m.Save()
     except NotAMemberError:
         print 'No address matched:', addr

Then to have a user on "mylist" watch the "pickles" topic:

$ bin/withlist -l -r addtopic mylist luser at domain.com pickles

bin/withlist gives you the full power of Python to play with, so you 
could replace 'topic'  with a variable number of arguments (so you 
could subscribe the user to multiple topics at once), or replace their 
topics instead of appending to them, or loop through a file of users to 
set them all in one go (instead of doing the looping at the shell 
level), or whatever...



-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Jun 11 06:47:45 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:47:45 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a Sendmail-style alias file to determine
	list recipients?
In-Reply-To: <BCEE74AF.74DE%skip@gateway.ualberta.ca>
References: <BCEE74AF.74DE%skip@gateway.ualberta.ca>
Message-ID: <7B33B7D2-BB62-11D8-89F1-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Jun 11, 2004, at 11:27, David Zeibin wrote:

> Or can I alter the list of recipients from a custom-built script, for 
> example.

Check the scripts in Mailman's 'bin' directory.  'sync_members' could 
be what you are looking for.  (Or if not, perhaps some combination of 
add_ and remove_members.)


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From grecea at webart.md  Fri Jun 11 11:47:04 2004
From: grecea at webart.md (Slava Grecea)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:47:04 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up lists for virtual domains
Message-ID: <200406111347.04745.grecea@webart.md>

Hello

I'm trying to setup a mailman to deal with virtual domains using postfix as
MTA. Postfix is running just fine and can handle mail from virtual domains I
added. I went on to confidure mailman after that, and I ran through several
issues I can't figure out.
Suppose, I want to have several lists with their respective virtual hosts:
list1, list2 and lists.domain1.tld, lists.domain2.tld ...
I've set up mm_config.py like

MTA = 'Postfix'
MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman'

DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.domain1.tld'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'domain1.tld'

SMTPHOST='mail.domain1.tld'
SMTPPORT = 25

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [
        DEFAULT_URL_HOST,'domain2.tld'
        ]

VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('lists.domain2.tld', 'domain2.tld')

Now I'm trying to add a lists, by issuing the following command:
./newlist list1 at domain1.tld me at domain1.tld password
In this case I receive an email, that showing me that I can access my newly
created list using http://domain1.tld/mailman/lists instead of
http://lists.domain1.tld/mailman/lists.
But if I create a list by entering each argument separately, everything is as
expected - I receive by email a correct URL. It is not what I want, because I
need to add for each virtual domain list a separate URL, they would access
their web page for set up lists.

So, could anyone point me out why I get such results.

Thanks in advance.
		



From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Fri Jun 11 11:49:29 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 02:49:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove_members command
Message-ID: <40C91DB9.25419.9DB824@localhost>

I am doing something wrong or what?

I am trying to remove from all lists, a file of members with no notification 
to anyone:

remove_members -nN -f deletes --fromall

with deletes being the filename.  Can the options -nand -N not be used 
with fromall?  They work otherwise.





Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
inconvenienced.




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Jun 11 13:10:05 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:10:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up lists for virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <200406111347.04745.grecea@webart.md>
References: <200406111347.04745.grecea@webart.md>
Message-ID: <E42E1A54-BB97-11D8-9613-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 11 Jun 2004, at 10:47, Slava Grecea wrote:

> Hello
>
> I'm trying to setup a mailman to deal with virtual domains using 
> postfix as
> MTA. Postfix is running just fine and can handle mail from virtual 
> domains I
> added. I went on to confidure mailman after that, and I ran through 
> several
> issues I can't figure out.
> Suppose, I want to have several lists with their respective virtual 
> hosts:
> list1, list2 and lists.domain1.tld, lists.domain2.tld ...
> I've set up mm_config.py like
>
> MTA = 'Postfix'
> MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman'
>
> DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.domain1.tld'
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'domain1.tld'
>
> SMTPHOST='mail.domain1.tld'
> SMTPPORT = 25
>
> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [
>         DEFAULT_URL_HOST,'domain2.tld'
>         ]
>
> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
> add_virtualhost('lists.domain2.tld', 'domain2.tld')
>
> Now I'm trying to add a lists, by issuing the following command:
> ./newlist list1 at domain1.tld me at domain1.tld password
> In this case I receive an email, that showing me that I can access my 
> newly
> created list using http://domain1.tld/mailman/lists instead of
> http://lists.domain1.tld/mailman/lists.

Run bin/newlist -h and get the following explanation of why you did not 
get what you wanted:

<quote>
You can specify the domain to create your new list in by spelling the 
listname
like so:

     mylist at www.mydom.ain

where `www.mydom.ain' should be the base hostname for the URL to this 
virtual
hosts's lists.  E.g. with is setting people will view the general list
overviews at http://www.mydom.ain/mailman/listinfo.  Also, www.mydom.ain
should be a key in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS mapping in mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py.  
It
will be looked up to give the email hostname.  If this can't be found, 
then
www.mydom.ain will be used for both the web interface and the email
interface
</quote>


> But if I create a list by entering each argument separately, 
> everything is as
> expected - I receive by email a correct URL. It is not what I want, 
> because I
> need to add for each virtual domain list a separate URL, they would 
> access
> their web page for set up lists.
>
> So, could anyone point me out why I get such results.
>
> Thanks in advance.




From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Fri Jun 11 14:35:39 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 05:35:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate messages
Message-ID: <40C944AB.29680.88E329@localhost>

I know this was asked but I do not see an answer - I have one list that 
decides to send a lot more than one email to the same person - and it 
just started.

Thoughts?


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
inconvenienced.




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Jun 11 14:49:17 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:49:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate messages
In-Reply-To: <40C944AB.29680.88E329@localhost>
References: <40C944AB.29680.88E329@localhost>
Message-ID: <C0692076-BBA5-11D8-9613-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 11 Jun 2004, at 13:35, Lloyd F. Tennison wrote:

> I know this was asked but I do not see an answer - I have one list that
> decides to send a lot more than one email to the same person - and it
> just started.
>
> Thoughts?
>

Have you checked the Mailman post and smtp logs, correlated with the 
outbound MTA's logs, to see if it is multiple messages being sent from 
Mailman or could it be multiple deliveries of the same message by an 
MTA?

>
> Thanks.
>
> Lloyd F. Tennison
> lloyd_tennison at whoever.com
>
> No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
> However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
> inconvenienced.




From lloyd_tennison at whoever.com  Fri Jun 11 15:07:23 2004
From: lloyd_tennison at whoever.com (Lloyd Tennison)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 06:07:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate messages
Message-ID: <PC1670200406110607230707e372bd1a@main>

Since it only does it one one list I have to assume it is Mailman.  

The SMTP log?  What useful information about an email that has gone out is there?  All I ever get is weird errors that mailman creates by itself in there, i,e.

Jun 11 05:14:30 2004 (32685) All recipients refused: please run connect() first

Like how did it get "unconnected?"

or Jun 09 16:02:15 2004 (7536) All recipients refused: (501, 'NULL characters are not allowed in SMTP commands', 'xx-bounces+7=hotmail.com\x00\x
00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00 at domain.us')

Why is it adding null characters.

But this mailing was not the one that dups.  The all recps ???

I did stop mailman and deleted all the queue and lockfiles (actually purged all by a reinstall. Maybe that created that weird error of all recps.)


Still confused.





-
>
>On 11 Jun 2004, at 13:35, Lloyd F. Tennison wrote:
>
>> I know this was asked but I do not see an answer - I have one list that
>> decides to send a lot more than one email to the same person - and it
>> just started.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>
>Have you checked the Mailman post and smtp logs, correlated with the 
>outbound MTA's logs, to see if it is multiple messages being sent from 
>Mailman or could it be multiple deliveries of the same message by an 
>MTA?
>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Lloyd F. Tennison
>> lloyd_tennison at whoever.com
>>
>> No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
>> However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
>> inconvenienced.
>
>




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Jun 11 16:09:03 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:09:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate messages
In-Reply-To: <PC1670200406110607230707e372bd1a@main>
References: <PC1670200406110607230707e372bd1a@main>
Message-ID: <E4CE5498-BBB0-11D8-9613-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 11 Jun 2004, at 14:07, Lloyd Tennison wrote:

> Since it only does it one one list I have to assume it is Mailman.
>

Or the data that Mailman has been fed such as the list subscriber  
addresses or the incoming messages are crap.

> The SMTP log?  What useful information about an email that has gone  
> out is there?

The purpose of looking at the Mailman and MTA logs is that they should  
give you a blow by blow account of the events in the life of a message  
from its receipt by the Mailman server to the output of the messages to  
the list subscribers. The key is the message ID which should allow you  
to track the message's history. For instance these are the entries for  
a particular message in the Mailman post, smtp and Sendmail logs  
(modified for privacy in this posting)  and you can see the entire  
history of the message in the Mailman system:

mailman at mailman:/mailman/run/logs> tail -1 post
Jun 11 14:25:23 2004 (4695) post to cwu from p.bradley at xxx.yyy.tld,  
size=2578, message-id=<40C9B392.A89F4049 at xxx.yyy.tld>, success
mailman at mailman:/mailman/run/logs> tail -1 smtp
Jun 11 14:25:23 2004 (4695) <40C9B392.A89F4049 at xxx.yyy.tld> smtp for 13  
recips, completed in 0.384 seconds
mailman at mailman:/mailman/run/logs> less /var/log/mail
Jun 11 14:25:20 mailman2 sendmail[29025]: i5BDPKY29025:  
from=<P.Bradley at xxx.yyy.tld>, size=1522, class=0, nrcpts=1,  
msgid=<40C9B392.A89F4049 at xxx.yyy.tld>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA,  
relay=ext-proxy-2.xxx.yyy.tld [192.65.220.98]
Jun 11 14:25:22 mailman2 sendmail[29027]: i5BDPKY29025:  
to=<cwu at mailman.xxx.yyy.tld>, delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01,  
mailer=mailman, pri=121522, relay=mailman.xxx.yyy.tld, dsn=2.0.0,  
stat=Sent
Jun 11 14:25:23 mailman2 sendmail[29032]: i5BDPNY29032:  
from=<cwu-bounces at mailman.xxx.yyy.tld>, size=2578, class=-30,  
nrcpts=13, msgid=<40C9B392.A89F4049 at xxx.yyy.tld>, proto=ESMTP,  
daemon=MTA, relay=mailman at mailman.xxx.yyy.tld [172.16.2.135]
Jun 11 14:25:26 mailman2 sendmail[29034]: i5BDPNY29032:  
to=<m.llewellyn at xxx.yyy.tld>,<r.lolley at xxx.yyy.tld>,<p.bradley at xxx.yyy.t 
ld>,<p.blake at xxx.yyy.tld>,<m.price at xxx.yyy.tld>,<m.cooke at xxx.yyy.tld>,<r 
.cleaver at xxx.yyy.tld>,<s.wiley at xxx.yyy.tld>,<b.hammond at xxx.yyy.tld>,<j.p 
artlett at xxx.yyy.tld>,<s.douglas at xxx.yyy.tld>,<m.giffney at xxx.yyy.tld>,<a. 
guffar at xxx.yyy.tld>, delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=relay,  
pri=536578, relay=the-pool.xxx.yyy.tld. [192.168.250.53], dsn=2.0.0,  
stat=Sent (i5BDPPNk017324 Message accepted for delivery)

If you cannot track a message through your Mailman server in this way  
then something is misconfigured or setup suboptimally.

> All I ever get is weird errors that mailman creates by itself in  
> there, i,e.
>

Or maybe something is misconfigured on your system in order to help  
Mailman have the problem!

> Jun 11 05:14:30 2004 (32685) All recipients refused: please run  
> connect() first
>
> Like how did it get "unconnected?"
>
> or Jun 09 16:02:15 2004 (7536) All recipients refused: (501, 'NULL  
> characters are not allowed in SMTP commands',  
> 'xx-bounces+7=hotmail.com\x00\x
> 00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00 at domain.us')
>
> Why is it adding null characters.
>

Maybe there is a defective mail address subscribed to the list or the  
subscriber list in the  list's config.pck has gotten zapped?   
7 at hotmail.com\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00 looks like a bad subscriber  
address to me which is maybe why the outbound MTA refused to accept it.

> But this mailing was not the one that dups.  The all recps ???
>
> I did stop mailman and deleted all the queue and lockfiles (actually  
> purged all by a reinstall. Maybe that created that weird error of all  
> recps.)
>
>

Did you take all the usual steps like re-running  
$prefix/bin/check_perms after doing the reinstall.

What MTA are you using and how configured; hopefully local and via  
SMTP? Can you communicate with the MTA OK through a telnet session to  
port 25? For example:

mailman at mailman:/mailman/run> telnet mailman.xxx.yyy.tld 25
Trying 172.16.2.135...
Connected to mailman.xxx.yyy.tld.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 mailman.xxx.yyy.tld ESMTP Sendmail  
8.12.9+Sun/8.12.9/Revision:1.90/db; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:54:11 +0100  
(BST)
quit
221 2.0.0 mailman.xxx.yyy.tld closing connection
Connection closed by foreign host.
mailman at mailman:/mailman/run>

> Still confused.
>
>
>
>
>
> -
>>
>> On 11 Jun 2004, at 13:35, Lloyd F. Tennison wrote:
>>
>>> I know this was asked but I do not see an answer - I have one list  
>>> that
>>> decides to send a lot more than one email to the same person - and it
>>> just started.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>
>> Have you checked the Mailman post and smtp logs, correlated with the
>> outbound MTA's logs, to see if it is multiple messages being sent from
>> Mailman or could it be multiple deliveries of the same message by an
>> MTA?
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Lloyd F. Tennison
>>> lloyd_tennison at whoever.com
>>>
>>> No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
>>> However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
>>> inconvenienced.
>>
>>
>




From trichard at atomicxterra.com  Thu Jun 10 19:04:09 2004
From: trichard at atomicxterra.com (Troy Richard)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:04:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not send mail
In-Reply-To: <44503.199.38.51.133.1086875437.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>
References: <2219.192.168.0.199.1086830609.squirrel@192.168.0.199><p06002000bced6abdb627@[10.0.1.3]><58750.199.38.51.133.1086874287.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>
	<44503.199.38.51.133.1086875437.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>
Message-ID: <22275.199.38.51.133.1086887049.squirrel@mail.atomicxterra.com>

I figured it out it was the vpopmail causig the problem.  You need to put
your alias in /home/vpopmail/domains/abc.com instead of /var/qmail/alias.

Thanks for the help

Troy

> I'm wondering if my problem is vpopmail.  Does anyone have experience
> using mailman with vpopmail?
>
> Thans
> Troy
>
>> Does anyone know how to configure the aliases for qmail?
>>
>>> At 8:23 PM -0500 2004-06-09, Troy Richard wrote:
>>>
>>>>  One other thing.  I have check the logs both for qmail and mailman
>>>> and
>>>> I
>>>>  don't see anything out of the ordinary.  The other thing is none of
>>>> my
>>>>  aliases seem to be working.  Is there anything special I need to do
>>>> with
>>>>  qmail.  I have ran the alias script in the README.QMAIL file and they
>>>>  don't seem to be working.
>>>
>>> 	It seems to me that this last part is the most important problem
>>> you need to solve.  However, beyond the information in the
>>> README.QMAIL, and the qmail-related information in the FAQ, I am not
>>> able to offer you any further assistance.
>>>
>>> 	Perhaps there are other people on the list who are familiar with
>>> qmail, and who may be able to help.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>>>
>>> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>>>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>>>
>>>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
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>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>> Searchable Archives:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>
>
>
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> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>




From slavutich at grecea.net  Fri Jun 11 11:12:50 2004
From: slavutich at grecea.net (Slava Grecea)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:12:50 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up lists for virtual domains
Message-ID: <200406111312.50249.slavutich@grecea.net>

Hello

I'm trying to setup a mailman to deal with virtual domains using postfix as 
MTA. Postfix is running just fine and can handle mail from virtual domains I 
added. I went on to confidure mailman after that, and I ran through several 
issues I can't figure out.
Suppose, I want to have several lists with their respective virtual hosts:
list1, list2 and lists.domain1.tld, lists.domain2.tld ...
I've set up mm_config.py like 

MTA = 'Postfix'
MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman'

DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.domain1.tld'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'domain1.tld'

SMTPHOST='mail.domain1.tld'
SMTPPORT = 25

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [
        DEFAULT_URL_HOST,'domain2.tld'
        ]

VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('lists.domain2.tld', 'domain2.tld')

Now I'm trying to add a lists, by issuing the following command:
./newlist list1 at domain1.tld me at domain1.tld password
In this case I receive an email, that showing me that I can access my newly 
created list using http://domain1.tld/mailman/lists instead of 
http://lists.domain1.tld/mailman/lists.
But if I create a list by entering each argument separately, everything is as 
expected - I receive by email a correct URL. It is not what I want, because I 
need to add for each virtual domain list a separate URL, they would access 
their web page for set up lists.

So, could anyone point me out why I get such results.

Thanks in advance.




From slavutich at grecea.net  Fri Jun 11 11:23:34 2004
From: slavutich at grecea.net (Slava Grecea)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:23:34 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up lists for virtual domains
Message-ID: <200406111323.34684.grecea@webart.md>

Hello

I'm trying to setup a mailman to deal with virtual domains using postfix as
MTA. Postfix is running just fine and can handle mail from virtual domains I
added. I went on to confidure mailman after that, and I ran through several
issues I can't figure out.
Suppose, I want to have several lists with their respective virtual hosts:
list1, list2 and lists.domain1.tld, lists.domain2.tld ...
I've set up mm_config.py like

MTA = 'Postfix'
MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman'

DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.domain1.tld'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'domain1.tld'

SMTPHOST='mail.domain1.tld'
SMTPPORT = 25

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [
        DEFAULT_URL_HOST,'domain2.tld'
        ]

VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('lists.domain2.tld', 'domain2.tld')

Now I'm trying to add a lists, by issuing the following command:
./newlist list1 at domain1.tld me at domain1.tld password
In this case I receive an email, that showing me that I can access my newly
created list using http://domain1.tld/mailman/lists instead of
http://lists.domain1.tld/mailman/lists.
But if I create a list by entering each argument separately, everything is as
expected - I receive by email a correct URL. It is not what I want, because I
need to add for each virtual domain list a separate URL, they would access
their web page for set up lists.

So, could anyone point me out why I get such results.

Thanks in advance.



From asbouvier at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 11 17:02:47 2004
From: asbouvier at yahoo.com (Anthony Bouvier)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:02:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate confirmation requests
Message-ID: <20040611150247.35608.qmail@web13523.mail.yahoo.com>

I just upgraded from 2.0.* to 2.1.* and everything was
going great until I started testing subscribes and
unsubscribes to -request@

Whenever a subscribe request is sent (or unsubscribe
request is sent) two confirmation emails are sent,
each with different confirmation hashes.

Checking my mail log to make sure I really was only
generating one request to the program, it indeed does
appear to be that.  1 email FROM me, 2 immediately
back FROM one of the alases (in the case of
unsubscribing which is currently the lines in front of
me in the log, 2 messages from -bounce@).

Any idea what could be doing this?

I've searched the archives and seen reference to
duplication of messages to the list, but I'm not
having that problem -- messages to the list are not duplicated.


	
		
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From gagel at cnc.bc.ca  Fri Jun 11 17:35:02 2004
From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (Kevin W. Gagel)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:35:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounces - revisited (DRespond)
Message-ID: <40c9d126.106.d18.19657@cnc.bc.ca>

I just got this back from my vendor.
Comments please... 

----- Message Forwarded on Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:31:58 -0700 -----
>Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounces
>Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:30:03 +1200
>
>Hello Kevin,
>
>drespond sends an empty mail from
>
>mail from: <>
>
>Nothing should try and respond to that.. if you see an empty mail from,
>its a bounce, so I am not sure why something else would process it.
>
>Regards,
>Stuart
>
>Wednesday, June 2, 2004, 7:32:43 AM, you wrote:
> I just got this response from someone on a mailman list. I'm using Mailman for
> my list server and its sending me bounces regarding drespond's method of
> bouncing.
> What is your response to this? 
> ----- Message Forwarded on Tue, 01 Jun 2004 12:30:36 -0700 -----
> From: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
> To: gagel at cnc.bc.ca
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounces
> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:45:09 +0200
> At 8:06 AM -0700 2004/06/01, Kevin W. Gagel wrote:
>>  What information do the developers need to add detection for 
>>unknown automated
>>  messages?
>>  Where do I send that information?
>>
>>  I am using Netwin's DMail package with their DRespond for automated
>>  messages. It adds a header is that all Mailman needs to know about?
>     The best thing would be to get Netwin to fix their software so 
> that it sends back RFC-compliant Delivery Status Notifications -- 
> Mailman already knows how to deal with those.  Indeed, most 
> mail-related programs on the Internet already know how to deal with 
> those, so by fixing this problem they'd make themselves much more 
> compatible with the entire rest of the world.
>     Otherwise, you need to take the bounce message format and write 
> some Python code to properly parse that, and then submit that code to
> the Mailman developers.
>
>-- 
>Best regards,
>Support DMail                           


====================
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Network Administrator
(250) 561-5848 local 448
(250) 562-2131 local 448

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From tarren at tarren.co.uk  Fri Jun 11 17:43:48 2004
From: tarren at tarren.co.uk (Tarren)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:43:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customised Monthly Password Reminders
Message-ID: <21791E64-BBBE-11D8-B2BC-000A956C4E9E@tarren.co.uk>

I've just had a list admin ask me if it's possible for his list (and 
just his list) to have some customised additional information included 
within the automated monthly password reminder emails. It's a couple of 
paragraphs of text that he wants to include.

Is this possible to do? Without affecting other lists on the same 
machine?

Any guidance would be gratefully received.




From wfroning at pacific.edu  Fri Jun 11 17:48:05 2004
From: wfroning at pacific.edu (Will Froning)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:48:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.5 and htdig patches for 2.1.4
Message-ID: <opr9fsufi0mxztld@rundmca.stk.pacific.edu>

Does anyone know if the htdig patches for 2.1.4 will work on 2.1.5  
(FreeBSD ports does this)?

I ask because I tried and it's not liking me so much... This morning I  
upgraded both python2.2 and Mailman2.1.1 to 2.3.4 and 2.1.5,  
respectively.  Mailman works like a charm, but htdig integration doesn't  
work.

I tried the suggestions listed in  
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-February/026845.html  
but it's doesn't make a difference.  By not working one of 2 things  
happens.

1. Existing lists get "Unable to read configuration file", but the file is  
there and readable.

2. If I run bin/blow_away_htdig -c listname and rerun nightly_htdig it  
processes the files cleanly, but it creates a url of the form  
"https://lists.pacific.edu/mailman/private/testlist/%(htsearchcgi)s".

Any hints?

Thanks,
Will
-- 
Will Froning
Unix Sys. Admin.
(209)946-7470
(209)662-4725
wfroning at Pacific.EDU



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 11 18:09:25 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:09:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounces - revisited
 (DRespond)
In-Reply-To: <40c9d126.106.d18.19657@cnc.bc.ca>
References: <40c9d126.106.d18.19657@cnc.bc.ca>
Message-ID: <p06002028bcef89606b44@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:35 AM -0700 2004-06-11, Kevin W. Gagel wrote:

>  I just got this back from my vendor.

	It doesn't matter what the envelope sender address is for the 
bounce.  What matters is the format of the bounce itself.  If the 
remote MTA rejected the connection without accepting the message, 
then it would be up to the local MTA to deal with the bounce, which 
might avoid this problem entirely.

	Otherwise, everything comes down to the format of the bounce message.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 11 18:10:37 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:10:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customised Monthly Password Reminders
In-Reply-To: <21791E64-BBBE-11D8-B2BC-000A956C4E9E@tarren.co.uk>
References: <21791E64-BBBE-11D8-B2BC-000A956C4E9E@tarren.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06002029bcef89c28240@[10.0.1.3]>

At 4:43 PM +0100 2004-06-11, Tarren wrote:

>  I've just had a list admin ask me if it's possible for his list (and
>  just his list) to have some customised additional information included
>  within the automated monthly password reminder emails. It's a couple
>  of paragraphs of text that he wants to include.
>
>  Is this possible to do? Without affecting other lists on the same machine?

	IIRC, that stuff is managed through the site-wide "mailman" 
mailing list, and therefore you can't customize the templates for 
specific mailing lists on the system -- it's all or nothing.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From jeff at look.net  Fri Jun 11 18:38:30 2004
From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:38:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.5 and htdig patches for 2.1.4
In-Reply-To: <opr9fsufi0mxztld@rundmca.stk.pacific.edu>
References: <opr9fsufi0mxztld@rundmca.stk.pacific.edu>
Message-ID: <C565A046-BBC5-11D8-938D-000A959666F6@look.net>


On Jun 11, 2004, at 11:48 AM, Will Froning wrote:

> Does anyone know if the htdig patches for 2.1.4 will work on 2.1.5 
> (FreeBSD ports does this)?

There's a port for the htdig patches?

I applied the patches to a new 2.1.5 install (source, not the port) on 
a FreeBSD 5.2.1 box a week or two ago. Applied the indexing, htdig and 
mhonarc patches. For the most part they applied cleanly. IIRC I had to 
patch 'newlist' by hand, no big deal.

-Jeff




From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Fri Jun 11 19:00:48 2004
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:00:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing subscribers to topics
In-Reply-To: <A54E111E-BB60-11D8-89F1-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
References: <40C8E1A6.70601@state.or.us>
	<A54E111E-BB60-11D8-89F1-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <40C9E540.2080509@state.or.us>

Thanks for your reply. As an experiment, I tried doing just as you said. 
I created a file named addtopics.py in the /lists/Mailman directory. 
 From the command line, I issued the command:  ./withlist -l -r addtopic 
testlist joe.blow at anywhere.com Licensing

The result follow:

Importing addtopic...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./withlist", line 275, in ?
    main()
  File "./withlist", line 247, in main
    mod = __import__(module)
ImportError: No module named addtopic


What have I missed?

Jim Tittsler wrote:

> On Jun 11, 2004, at 07:33, Christopher Adams wrote:
>
>> Is there a way, other than using the subscriber user page to subsribe 
>> subscribers to specific topics?. I have a list of about 1000 
>> subscribers that I would like to break out into 5 topics. I don't 
>> want to rely on the subscribers to have to do this. So, any ideas on 
>> how to do this in batch via one of the provided MM utilities or other 
>> methods?
>
>
> You can do this sort of thing with bin/withlist, taking advantage of 
> the documentation that is embedded in Mailman/MemberAdaptor.py.
>
> Create a file called addtopic.py:
>
> from Mailman.Errors import NotAMemberError
> from Mailman import mm_cfg
> import sys
>
> def addtopic(m, addr, topic):
>     try:
>         if topic not in [x[0] for x in m.topics]:
>             print topic, "is not a valid topic for list"
>             sys.exit(2)
>         topic_list = m.getMemberTopics(addr)
>         # add the topic for this member if not already subscribed
>         if topic not in topic_list:
>             m.setMemberTopics(addr, topic_list + [topic])
>         # set subscriber to not receive non-topical posts
>         m.setMemberOption(addr, mm_cfg.ReceiveNonmatchingTopics, 
> mm_cfg.No)
>         m.Save()
>     except NotAMemberError:
>         print 'No address matched:', addr
>
> Then to have a user on "mylist" watch the "pickles" topic:
>
> $ bin/withlist -l -r addtopic mylist luser at domain.com pickles
>
> bin/withlist gives you the full power of Python to play with, so you 
> could replace 'topic'  with a variable number of arguments (so you 
> could subscribe the user to multiple topics at once), or replace their 
> topics instead of appending to them, or loop through a file of users 
> to set them all in one go (instead of doing the looping at the shell 
> level), or whatever...
>
>
>

-- 
Christopher Adams
Library Systems Analyst
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243 258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us






From srainwater at ncc.com  Fri Jun 11 19:08:17 2004
From: srainwater at ncc.com (R. Steven Rainwater)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:08:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] After upgrade to 2.1.1 info field not working
In-Reply-To: <1086906949.30651.65.camel@rodan.ncc.com>
References: <1086906949.30651.65.camel@rodan.ncc.com>
Message-ID: <1086973697.2107.65.camel@rodan.ncc.com>

Update... It appears this is a known bug. Well, it was known to somebody
anyway. ;-)

[ 940106 ] Characters incorrectly replaced with HTML entities
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=940106&group_id=103&atid=100103

Looks like my only options are to go back to 2.0.5 or something else
prior to 2.1.1 (which I really don't want to do) or stop using HTML in
the list info field (which is annoying because I can't provide links to
relevant information on the list info page).

Does anyone know when this bug might be fixed? I'm not a Python
programmer but in Perl changing the code to stop converting two
characters to HTML entities would be a matter of changing a regex. I
take it such a simple solution isn't available in this case for some
reason?

-Steve

On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 17:35, R. Steven Rainwater wrote:
> I'm in the process of moving a number of mailing lists from a server
> running Mailman 2.0.5 to 2.1.1 and have run into a minor problem. Any
> HTML entered in the list info field such as anchor tags does not display
> correctly on 2.1.1. Instead of showing up as HTML, the pointy brackets
> are escaped as &lt; and &gt; and visible as raw HTML markup on the web
> page. In otherwords, where we used to see an clickable link on the 2.0.5
> list info page, on 2.1.1, we see the raw HTML: <a
> href="blah.com">link</a>
> 
> I've looked in the FAQ and searched Google but didn't find any fix
> (though I did run across other folks experiencing the problem). Any
> ideas?





From saurav at sas.upenn.edu  Fri Jun 11 19:27:00 2004
From: saurav at sas.upenn.edu (Saurav Pathak)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:27:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman subscription feature
In-Reply-To: <20040608220746.GA10247@mail1.sas.upenn.edu>
References: <20040608220746.GA10247@mail1.sas.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <20040611172700.GA22278@mail1.sas.upenn.edu>

Since no one replied to the query below, I think I need to rephrase
my question.

The mailing list in question is open to the public, but requires the
subscribing email to be authentic.  That is, the subscriber writing
down his real name in the given field is not enough.  He needs to
provide some additional information, so that the email address can
be connected to a real person.

This is implemented at the present time by requiring both
confirmation and approval for subscription.  Once the subscriber
confirms his email, the list administrator sends him a mail asking
for additional information.  This mail is sent from outside the
mailman system.

What I require is that mailman should send the new subscriber an
email asking him for additional information.  This email should be
triggered when the subscriber confirms his email address.  At
present, mailman does not trigger any mail after confirmation.

Is this a feature that is totally lacking?  Does it require a lot of
rewrite?

I shall appreciate any help.  

Thanks,
Saurav



Saurav Pathak [Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 06:07:46PM -0400]:

+  Hi:
+  
+  For a list that requires both confirmation and approval for
+  subscription, I would like to customize a message for the 
+  subscriber once he has confirmed and awaiting administrator 
+  approval.  Where do I customize the message?
+  
+  My initial guess was the file ~mailman/templates/en/approve.txt but
+  that turned out to be wrong.  Please help.
+  
+  Mailman 2.1.1
+  Redhat 9
+  
+  Thanks,
+  Saurav
+  
+  ------------------------------------------------------
+  Mailman-Users mailing list
+  Mailman-Users at python.org
+  http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
+  Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
+  Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

-- 
saurav



From fish at livingsky.net  Fri Jun 11 20:00:01 2004
From: fish at livingsky.net (Bob)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:00:01 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and exim4
Message-ID: <40C9F321.6070206@livingsky.net>

I am using mailman 2.1.4-5 on Debian with Exim4 (with the multiple 
configuration files). As I was reading the documentation about how to 
set up mailman with exim4, it doesn't refer to the multiple config file 
set-up, but only to the single exim4 configuration files. Can anyone 
help me to figure out which files to edit in this case. For example, 
which file should I edit to do the following

>
>       Main configuration settings
>
> <http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html#index>
>
> First, you need to add some macros to the top of your Exim config 
> file. These just make the routers and transport below a bit cleaner. 
> Obviously, you'll need to edit these based on how you configured and 
> installed Mailman.
>
>  # Home dir for your Mailman installation -- aka Mailman's prefix
>  # directory.
>  # By default this is set to "/usr/local/mailman"
>  # On a Red Hat/Fedora system using the RPM use "/var/mailman"
>  # On Debian using the deb package use "/var/lib/mailman"
>  # This is normally the same as ~mailman
>  MM_HOME=/var/mailman
>  #
>  # User and group for Mailman, should match your --with-mail-gid
>  # switch to Mailman's configure script.
>  # Value is normally "mailman"
>  MM_UID=mailman
>  MM_GID=mailman
>  #
>  # Domains that your lists are in - colon separated list
>  # you may wish to add these into local_domains as well
>  domainlist mm_domains=list.example.com
>  #
>  # -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>  #
>  # These values are derived from the ones above and should not need
>  # editing unless you have munged your mailman installation
>  #
>  # The path of the Mailman mail wrapper script
>  MM_WRAP=MM_HOME/mail/mailman
>  #
>  # The path of the list config file (used as a required file when
>  # verifying list addresses)
>  MM_LISTCHK=MM_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.pck
>  
>
The directories under /etc/exim4/conf.d/ are

> fish:/etc/exim4/conf.d# ll
> total 9
> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          185 Jun  5 11:31 
> 15_exim4-config_exiscan
> drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root          288 Jun  5 11:30 acl
> drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root          128 May 31 23:04 auth
> drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root          224 Jun  2 12:12 main
> drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root          120 May 31 23:04 retry
> drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root          136 May 31 23:04 rewrite
> drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root          536 May 31 23:04 router
> drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root          528 May 31 23:04 transport

and the files in the main directory are

> total 20
> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         2741 Jan 14 07:42 
> 01_exim4-config_listmacrosdefs
> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         4229 Feb 27 08:34 
> 02_exim4-config_options
> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         1986 Mar 24 08:14 
> 03_exim4-config_tlsoptions
> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          309 Apr 24 04:31 
> 15_sa-exim_plugin_path



-- 
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fish at livingsky.net
Please visit my site at 
http://www.livingsky.net

-----------------
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From lrosa at hypertrek.info  Fri Jun 11 20:12:53 2004
From: lrosa at hypertrek.info (Luigi Rosa)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:12:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] WHY is discarding my messages?
Message-ID: <193255265.20040611201253@hypertrek.info>

Hello,

Mailman 2.1.5 abruptly started to discard my (I am the SysAdmin and
ListAdmin) messages simply logging this into vette logfile:

Jun 11 19:36:01 2004 (30143) Message discarded, msgid: <1208860408.20040611193642 at hypertrek.info>
Jun 11 19:41:51 2004 (3898) Message discarded, msgid: <763256245.20040611194231 at hypertrek.info>
Jun 11 19:46:39 2004 (3898) Message discarded, msgid: <1054184885.20040611194719 at hypertrek.info>
Jun 11 19:48:49 2004 (3898) Message discarded, msgid: <1529899268.20040611194929 at hypertrek.info>


What can I do to trace down the origin of this discard error? I don't have
any other hint in the mailman logfiles.


Please note that this is a single list issue because my messages are
delivered ok in the other lists of the same Mailman installation server.



Thanks for any kind of help.  

-- 
Best regards,
 Luigi




From jeff at look.net  Fri Jun 11 20:23:30 2004
From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:23:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] WHY is discarding my messages?
In-Reply-To: <193255265.20040611201253@hypertrek.info>
References: <193255265.20040611201253@hypertrek.info>
Message-ID: <70A4B1F5-BBD4-11D8-8D84-000A959666F6@look.net>


On Jun 11, 2004, at 2:12 PM, Luigi Rosa wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Mailman 2.1.5 abruptly started to discard my (I am the SysAdmin and
> ListAdmin) messages simply logging this into vette logfile:
>
> Jun 11 19:36:01 2004 (30143) Message discarded, msgid: 
> <1208860408.20040611193642 at hypertrek.info>
> Jun 11 19:41:51 2004 (3898) Message discarded, msgid: 
> <763256245.20040611194231 at hypertrek.info>
> Jun 11 19:46:39 2004 (3898) Message discarded, msgid: 
> <1054184885.20040611194719 at hypertrek.info>
> Jun 11 19:48:49 2004 (3898) Message discarded, msgid: 
> <1529899268.20040611194929 at hypertrek.info>
>
>
> What can I do to trace down the origin of this discard error? I don't 
> have
> any other hint in the mailman logfiles.

Have you checked your Sender filters & Content filtering for that list?


-Jeff






From lrosa at hypertrek.info  Fri Jun 11 20:33:13 2004
From: lrosa at hypertrek.info (Luigi Rosa)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:33:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] WHY is discarding my messages?
In-Reply-To: <70A4B1F5-BBD4-11D8-8D84-000A959666F6@look.net>
References: <193255265.20040611201253@hypertrek.info>
	<70A4B1F5-BBD4-11D8-8D84-000A959666F6@look.net>
Message-ID: <1398905371.20040611203313@hypertrek.info>

Hello Jeff,
Friday, June 11, 2004, 8:23:30 PM, you wrote:

>> Mailman 2.1.5 abruptly started to discard my (I am the SysAdmin and
>> ListAdmin) messages simply logging this into vette logfile:
>>
>> Jun 11 19:36:01 2004 (30143) Message discarded, msgid:
>> <1208860408.20040611193642 at hypertrek.info>

JB> Have you checked your Sender filters & Content filtering for that list?


First thing I did.
Beside that, member_moderation_action is set to 'Hold', not to 'Discard' and
header_filter_rules is empty.

More: bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner, bounce_notify_owner_on_disable,
and for bounce_notify_owner_on_removal are all set to Yes, so I (the owner)
should receive any warning, but I did not received any message.





-- 
Best regards,
 Luigi




From lrosa at hypertrek.info  Fri Jun 11 20:36:14 2004
From: lrosa at hypertrek.info (Luigi Rosa)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:36:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] WHY is discarding my messages?
In-Reply-To: <1398905371.20040611203313@hypertrek.info>
References: <193255265.20040611201253@hypertrek.info>
	<70A4B1F5-BBD4-11D8-8D84-000A959666F6@look.net>
	<1398905371.20040611203313@hypertrek.info>
Message-ID: <3610456047.20040611203614@hypertrek.info>

Hello Luigi,

Friday, June 11, 2004, 8:33:13 PM, you wrote:

LR> First thing I did.
LR> Beside that, member_moderation_action is set to 'Hold', not to 'Discard' and
LR> header_filter_rules is empty.

LR> More: bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner, bounce_notify_owner_on_disable,
LR> and for bounce_notify_owner_on_removal are all set to Yes, so I (the owner)
LR> should receive any warning, but I did not received any message.

I forgot one last thing: even after I disabled bounce_processing, my messages
are still been discarded.






-- 
Best regards,
 Luigi




From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Fri Jun 11 20:38:10 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:38:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] WHY is discarding my messages?
In-Reply-To: <1398905371.20040611203313@hypertrek.info>
References: <193255265.20040611201253@hypertrek.info>
	<70A4B1F5-BBD4-11D8-8D84-000A959666F6@look.net>
	<1398905371.20040611203313@hypertrek.info>
Message-ID: <20040611183810.GD1879@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Luigi Rosa wrote:
> First thing I did.
> Beside that, member_moderation_action is set to 'Hold', not to
> 'Discard' and header_filter_rules is empty.

What about the site-wide KNOWN_SPAMMERS setting?  Could something in
there be catching your mail?

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
======================================================================
It is insufficient to protect ourselves with laws; we need to protect
ourselves with mathematics.
    -- Bruce Schneier

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Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.

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From lrosa at hypertrek.info  Fri Jun 11 20:46:13 2004
From: lrosa at hypertrek.info (Luigi Rosa)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:46:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] WHY is discarding my messages?
In-Reply-To: <20040611183810.GD1879@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
References: <193255265.20040611201253@hypertrek.info>
	<70A4B1F5-BBD4-11D8-8D84-000A959666F6@look.net>
	<1398905371.20040611203313@hypertrek.info>
	<20040611183810.GD1879@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <107196309.20040611204613@hypertrek.info>

Hello Todd,
Friday, June 11, 2004, 8:38:10 PM, you wrote:

T> What about the site-wide KNOWN_SPAMMERS setting?  Could something in
T> there be catching your mail?

Empty.
I don't think it's a site-wide problem because my messages are correctly
delibered in all the other mailing lists.



-- 
Best regards,
 Luigi




From jeff at look.net  Fri Jun 11 21:08:15 2004
From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:08:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] WHY is discarding my messages?
In-Reply-To: <107196309.20040611204613@hypertrek.info>
References: <193255265.20040611201253@hypertrek.info>
	<70A4B1F5-BBD4-11D8-8D84-000A959666F6@look.net>
	<1398905371.20040611203313@hypertrek.info>
	<20040611183810.GD1879@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
	<107196309.20040611204613@hypertrek.info>
Message-ID: <B0FEC8A8-BBDA-11D8-AEFB-000A959666F6@look.net>


On Jun 11, 2004, at 2:46 PM, Luigi Rosa wrote:

> Hello Todd,
> Friday, June 11, 2004, 8:38:10 PM, you wrote:
>
> T> What about the site-wide KNOWN_SPAMMERS setting?  Could something in
> T> there be catching your mail?
>
> Empty.
> I don't think it's a site-wide problem because my messages are 
> correctly
> delibered in all the other mailing lists.

Have you intercepted one of these messages and examined it? It seems 
like a email that has a null From would show up like that...

Here's an an example of that happening with a auto-responder replying 
to a list just a bit ago:

 From vette:
Jun 11 14:04:03 2004 (552) Message discarded, msgid: 
<ZtXhmQYAh000003c4 at some.dom.ain>

 From my MTA log:

Jun 11 14:03:35 mailman postfix/smtpd[27806]: CB0F463B0: 
client=mx.some.dom.ain[x.x.x.x]
Jun 11 14:03:40 mailman postfix/cleanup[27828]: CB0F463B0: 
message-id=<ZtXhmQYAh000003c4 at some.dom.ain>
Jun 11 14:04:01 mailman postfix/qmgr[607]: CB0F463B0: from=<>, 
size=129272, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Jun 11 14:04:01 mailman postfix/local[27820]: CB0F463B0: 
to=<some.list at my.dom.ain.>, orig_to=<some.list at my.dom.ain>, 
relay=local, delay=1, status=sent (delivered to command: 
/path/to/mailman post some.list)
Jun 11 14:04:01 mailman postfix/qmgr[607]: CB0F463B0: removed

Could this be the sort of thing happening to you?


-Jeff




From trichard at techovations.com  Fri Jun 11 15:09:27 2004
From: trichard at techovations.com (Troy Richard)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:09:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] failure to deliver qmail
Message-ID: <29971.199.38.51.133.1086959367.squirrel@199.38.51.133>

I have setup mailman and everything seems to be working but every once in
a while I will recieve a failure to deliver message and this is what is
sending it out.  I cannot figure out why it is trying to send to the
localhost.  Any one have any ideas?

From: mailman-bounces at localhost.localdomain
To: mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain


Thanks
Troy







From kit at iwu.edu  Fri Jun 11 21:26:49 2004
From: kit at iwu.edu (Kit Stube)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:26:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] main site email address
In-Reply-To: <5809FF28-BA80-11D8-9C4B-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
References: <40C7493B.4030202@iwu.edu>
	<5809FF28-BA80-11D8-9C4B-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <40CA0779.4000109@iwu.edu>



Jim Tittsler wrote:

> On Jun 10, 2004, at 02:30, Kit Stube wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know an easy way to change the main site email address 
>> for a mailman installation?  ie:  I want to change the address that 
>> appears after "If you are having trouble using the lists, please 
>> contact" on the listinfo page.
>
>
> That address defaults to the MAILMAN_SITE_LIST value that you set in 
> your mm_cfg.py.  The default site list is called mailman.
>
>
Wouldn't a person need to be a member of the "mailman" list to be able 
to send email to that address then?  That doesn't seem like a good 
solution for help concerning mailman.  What if a person wants help 
learning to subscribe?

-- 
Kit Stube
Unix Systems Administrator
Illinois Wesleyan University
309-556-3445
kit at iwu.edu

IWU Tech Support
309-556-3900







From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Jun 11 21:27:53 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:27:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] failure to deliver qmail
In-Reply-To: <29971.199.38.51.133.1086959367.squirrel@199.38.51.133>
References: <29971.199.38.51.133.1086959367.squirrel@199.38.51.133>
Message-ID: <6F4A3A1F-BBDD-11D8-9613-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 11 Jun 2004, at 14:09, Troy Richard wrote:

> I have setup mailman and everything seems to be working but every once 
> in
> a while I will recieve a failure to deliver message and this is what is
> sending it out.  I cannot figure out why it is trying to send to the
> localhost.  Any one have any ideas?
>
> From: mailman-bounces at localhost.localdomain
> To: mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain
>
>

This looks as though the mailman site list was created on a machine 
before it had its hostname and domain name sorted.

Check your DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST in 
$prefix/mailman/Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py and such are as planned and 
then use $prefix/bin/fix_url.py

> Thanks
> Troy




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 11 21:54:39 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:54:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] main site email address
In-Reply-To: <40CA0779.4000109@iwu.edu>
References: <40C7493B.4030202@iwu.edu>
	<5809FF28-BA80-11D8-9C4B-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
	<40CA0779.4000109@iwu.edu>
Message-ID: <p0600202cbcefbd629bd3@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:26 PM -0500 2004-06-11, Kit Stube wrote:

>  Wouldn't a person need to be a member of the "mailman" list to be able
>  to send email to that address then?

	Users don't send e-mail to that address.

>                                       That doesn't seem like a good
>  solution for help concerning mailman.  What if a person wants help
>  learning to subscribe?

	Then they either send e-mail to the address which is specific to 
the mailing list that they have a question about (e.g., 
listname-request, or whatever), or they use the information available 
on the respective web page.

	The site-wide mailing list is not a normal mailing list.  It's 
only purpose is to be used in managing the accounts of users whose 
e-mail addresses are bouncing.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From kit at iwu.edu  Fri Jun 11 22:02:39 2004
From: kit at iwu.edu (Kit Stube)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:02:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] main site email address
In-Reply-To: <p0600202cbcefbd629bd3@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <40C7493B.4030202@iwu.edu>
	<5809FF28-BA80-11D8-9C4B-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
	<40CA0779.4000109@iwu.edu> <p0600202cbcefbd629bd3@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <40CA0FDF.8040502@iwu.edu>



Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 2:26 PM -0500 2004-06-11, Kit Stube wrote:
>
>>  Wouldn't a person need to be a member of the "mailman" list to be able
>>  to send email to that address then?
>
>
>     Users don't send e-mail to that address.
>
They do if it is the "If you are having trouble using the lists, please 
contact" address, which is what it defaults to.

>>                                       That doesn't seem like a good
>>  solution for help concerning mailman.  What if a person wants help
>>  learning to subscribe?
>
>
>     Then they either send e-mail to the address which is specific to 
> the mailing list that they have a question about (e.g., 
> listname-request, or whatever), or they use the information available 
> on the respective web page.
>
>     The site-wide mailing list is not a normal mailing list.  It's 
> only purpose is to be used in managing the accounts of users whose 
> e-mail addresses are bouncing.
>

-- 
Kit Stube
Unix Systems Administrator
Illinois Wesleyan University
309-556-3445
kit at iwu.edu

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From fish at livingsky.net  Fri Jun 11 22:56:20 2004
From: fish at livingsky.net (Bob)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:56:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help with configuration
Message-ID: <40CA1C74.9020003@livingsky.net>

Hi

I sent a help request several hours ago, but have since, in my own 
efforts to understand and fix, un-installed and re-installed mailman. 
This is where I am at now.

I am running mailman 2.1.4-5 on a Debian system with Exim4. This is with 
the split configuration files instead of the single configuration file 
for exim. I have created a list (test) and that worked. I have added 
users to the list and that worked. I then sent an email to the list 
(test at livingsky.net) and that didn't work. It seems that mailman is 
expecting for the group to be daemon and the group that exim is set-up 
for is Debian-exim. Since this is a Debian installation, I have no 
control over setting the default user and group that mailman sets up 
with (--with-mail-gid=). Is there any way to fix this? This is the 
bounce that I get from exim/mailman when I send the test message

>A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
>recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
>
>  pipe to |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test
>    generated by test at livingsky.net
>    local delivery failed
>
>The following text was generated during the delivery attempt:
>
>------ pipe to |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test
>       generated by test at livingsky.net ------
>
>Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
>wrapper script to be executed as group "daemon", but
>the system's mail server executed the mail script as
>group "Debian-exim".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the
>script as group "daemon", or re-run configure, 
>providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=Debian-exim'.
>
Please note that I am a relatively new user to linux. I am not a 
programmer or trained systems expert, so simple explanations would be 
appreciated.

-- 
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fish at livingsky.net
Please visit my site at 
http://www.livingsky.net

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"Que Dieu vous benisses"




From kit at iwu.edu  Fri Jun 11 23:18:42 2004
From: kit at iwu.edu (Kit Stube)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:18:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help with configuration
In-Reply-To: <40CA1C74.9020003@livingsky.net>
References: <40CA1C74.9020003@livingsky.net>
Message-ID: <40CA21B2.3040200@iwu.edu>



Bob wrote:

> Hi
>
> I sent a help request several hours ago, but have since, in my own 
> efforts to understand and fix, un-installed and re-installed mailman. 
> This is where I am at now.
>
> I am running mailman 2.1.4-5 on a Debian system with Exim4. This is 
> with the split configuration files instead of the single configuration 
> file for exim. I have created a list (test) and that worked. I have 
> added users to the list and that worked. I then sent an email to the 
> list (test at livingsky.net) and that didn't work. It seems that mailman 
> is expecting for the group to be daemon and the group that exim is 
> set-up for is Debian-exim. Since this is a Debian installation, I have 
> no control over setting the default user and group that mailman sets 
> up with (--with-mail-gid=). Is there any way to fix this? This is the 
> bounce that I get from exim/mailman when I send the test message
>
>> A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
>> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
>>
>>  pipe to |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test
>>    generated by test at livingsky.net
>>    local delivery failed
>>
>> The following text was generated during the delivery attempt:
>>
>> ------ pipe to |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test
>>       generated by test at livingsky.net ------
>>
>> Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
>> wrapper script to be executed as group "daemon", but
>> the system's mail server executed the mail script as
>> group "Debian-exim".  
>

The answer is here:

>> Try tweaking the mail server to run the
>> script as group "daemon", or re-run configure, providing the command 
>> line option `--with-mail-gid=Debian-exim'.
>>
> Please note that I am a relatively new user to linux. I am not a 
> programmer or trained systems expert, so simple explanations would be 
> appreciated.
>
Well, your problem is that your mail server is running as a certian user 
(Debian-exim), which means that it has that users permissions.  Your 
mail server is trying to start another script (the mailman script in 
question) which needs to be run as a different user (daemon).  You can 
either:
1. modify what user your mail server runs as
2. modify what user mailman runs as
3. try to get your mail server to run the script as the mailman user

I'm not an exim admin so I can't help you with options 1 or 3.  I run 
postfix on my server.

If you want to use option 2, as suggested by the error message above you 
will need to reinstall mailman.  When you install mailman, you run 
configure with the  --with-mail-gid=Debian-exim.
ie:
./configure --with-mail-gid=Debian-exim

It will then configure mailman to be run as the user your mailer wants 
to use to run the script.

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From lrosa at hypertrek.info  Sat Jun 12 00:02:49 2004
From: lrosa at hypertrek.info (Luigi Rosa)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:02:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] WHY is discarding my messages?
In-Reply-To: <B0FEC8A8-BBDA-11D8-AEFB-000A959666F6@look.net>
References: <193255265.20040611201253@hypertrek.info>
	<70A4B1F5-BBD4-11D8-8D84-000A959666F6@look.net>
	<1398905371.20040611203313@hypertrek.info>
	<20040611183810.GD1879@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
	<107196309.20040611204613@hypertrek.info>
	<B0FEC8A8-BBDA-11D8-AEFB-000A959666F6@look.net>
Message-ID: <734903540.20040612000249@hypertrek.info>

Hello Jeff,
Friday, June 11, 2004, 9:08:15 PM, you wrote:

JB> Have you intercepted one of these messages and examined it? It seems 
JB> like a email that has a null From would show up like that...

Those messages are sent by ME.  ;)
No, they have not a null from.


-- 
Best regards,
 Luigi




From fish at livingsky.net  Sat Jun 12 00:44:09 2004
From: fish at livingsky.net (Bob)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:44:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help with configuration
In-Reply-To: <40CA21B2.3040200@iwu.edu>
References: <40CA1C74.9020003@livingsky.net> <40CA21B2.3040200@iwu.edu>
Message-ID: <40CA35B9.5080001@livingsky.net>

Thanks for responding Kit.

Kit Stube wrote:

>
> The answer is here:
>
>>> Try tweaking the mail server to run the
>>> script as group "daemon", or re-run configure, providing the command 
>>> line option `--with-mail-gid=Debian-exim'.
>>>
>> Please note that I am a relatively new user to linux. I am not a 
>> programmer or trained systems expert, so simple explanations would be 
>> appreciated.
>>
> Well, your problem is that your mail server is running as a certian 
> user (Debian-exim), which means that it has that users permissions.  
> Your mail server is trying to start another script (the mailman script 
> in question) which needs to be run as a different user (daemon).  You 
> can either:
> 1. modify what user your mail server runs as
> 2. modify what user mailman runs as
> 3. try to get your mail server to run the script as the mailman user
>
> I'm not an exim admin so I can't help you with options 1 or 3.  I run 
> postfix on my server.
>
> If you want to use option 2, as suggested by the error message above 
> you will need to reinstall mailman.  When you install mailman, you run 
> configure with the  --with-mail-gid=Debian-exim.
> ie:
> ./configure --with-mail-gid=Debian-exim
>

the problem with this is that under debian, when you install, it 
installs without options. So, how do I change the mail-gid that mailman 
uses?

> It will then configure mailman to be run as the user your mailer wants 
> to use to run the script.
>


-- 
Bob Lydiate
fish at livingsky.net
Please visit my site at 
http://www.livingsky.net

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"God bless you"
"Dios te le bendigo"
"Nyasaye Ogwedhi"
"Que Dieu vous benisses"




From vince at gotimenow.com  Sat Jun 12 01:46:20 2004
From: vince at gotimenow.com (Vince Kronlein)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:46:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Link in Footer
Message-ID: <007801c4500e$4dd33cb0$6466a8c0@GOTimeNow>

Hey All,

I posted a question about this in a previous post and it is still yet unresolved.  I've looked through ALL the documentation on the python, and list.org sites and have found no answers for this.

No matter what I do or how I configure the variables the footer will not convert to a link.  It only posts to the messages as text. I even tried encapsulating it in <a href> tags and that didn't work either.

I've solved every other issue so far except this one.  BTW I am sending html email, so my final thought is perhaps I should change my email template to include the link there and just delete the footer altogether, but then email sent from other users of the list will not get a link either.

This is very strange, please give me a hand here.

Thanks so much.

Vince


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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat Jun 12 02:12:01 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 02:12:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Link in Footer
In-Reply-To: <007801c4500e$4dd33cb0$6466a8c0@GOTimeNow>
References: <007801c4500e$4dd33cb0$6466a8c0@GOTimeNow>
Message-ID: <p06002031bceffaa5f7b3@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:46 PM -0500 2004-06-11, Vince Kronlein wrote:

>  No matter what I do or how I configure the variables the footer will
>  not convert to a link.  It only posts to the messages as text. I even
>  tried encapsulating it in <a href> tags and that didn't work either.
>
>  I've solved every other issue so far except this one.  BTW I am sending
>  html email, so my final thought is perhaps I should change my email
>  template to include the link there and just delete the footer altogether,
>  but then email sent from other users of the list will not get a link
>  either.

	I believe you will find the FAQ entry at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp> 
to be relevant to this issue.

-- 
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From fish at livingsky.net  Sat Jun 12 02:16:28 2004
From: fish at livingsky.net (Bob)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:16:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] user and group problems
Message-ID: <40CA4B5C.4090307@livingsky.net>

Just wanted to tell you all that I got it figured out and it was an 
easier fix that re-configuring mailman. For exim4 with the seperate 
config files, all you have to do is change the 
/etc/exim4/conf.d/router/400_exim4-config_system_aliases file and change 
the "group=" line to whatever it is that your error message told you, in 
my case "daemon" and restart exim. Problem solved, at least in my case.

-- 
Bob Lydiate
fish at livingsky.net
Please visit my site at 
http://www.livingsky.net

-----------------
Feel free to donate translations
"God bless you"
"Dios te le bendigo"
"Nyasaye Ogwedhi"
"Que Dieu vous benisses"




From jwt at OnJapan.net  Sat Jun 12 02:42:01 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:42:01 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing subscribers to topics
In-Reply-To: <40C9E540.2080509@state.or.us>
References: <40C8E1A6.70601@state.or.us>
	<A54E111E-BB60-11D8-89F1-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
	<40C9E540.2080509@state.or.us>
Message-ID: <20040612004201.GC18129@server.onjapan.net>

On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 10:00:48AM -0700, Christopher Adams wrote:
> Thanks for your reply. As an experiment, I tried doing just as you said. 
> I created a file named addtopics.py in the /lists/Mailman directory. 

Spelling error?  addtopics.py instead of addtopic.py?

> From the command line, I issued the command:  ./withlist -l -r addtopic 
> testlist joe.blow at anywhere.com Licensing
> 
> The result follow:
> 
> Importing addtopic...
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "./withlist", line 275, in ?
>    main()
>  File "./withlist", line 247, in main
>    mod = __import__(module)
> ImportError: No module named addtopic

By default bin/withlist -r will run a function from a module of
the same name... so a function called addtopic in the
addtopic.py module is the least typing.  :-)

But, you can specify the module name and the callable function:

$ bin/withlist -l -r addtopics.addtopic testlist joe.blow at anywhere Licensing


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From vince at gotimenow.com  Sat Jun 12 04:51:52 2004
From: vince at gotimenow.com (Vince Kronlein)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:51:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Links Again :(
Message-ID: <004c01c45028$3c5824e0$6466a8c0@GOTimeNow>

Ok I've resigned myself to the fact that I have to send text mail,
unfortunately.  Now I'd lke to be able to use the same user-specific url
that's included in the welcome email for people to access their account,
instead of the generic gen info page url. that is the default in the footer.

ie: not simply %(_internal_name)s

but  %(internal_name)s/%(whatever_the_heck_this_user_specific_variable_is)s

I don't have access to any of the config files as this is on a hosted
account.

Anything I can do here?

Thanks

Vince


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From eric at pretorious.net  Sat Jun 12 06:30:35 2004
From: eric at pretorious.net (Eric Pretorious)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:30:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual lists with the same name?
Message-ID: <200406112130.35267.eric@pretorious.net>

Hello, All:

I've searched the archives 
(http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/) but want to make sure 
that the answer that I found there is still true:

Is it possible to use Mailman 2.1.4 to host multiple virtual lists with the 
same name?  (i.e., coaches at domain1.com would be different than 
coaches at domain2.com)  The previous posts on the subject hinted that this 
would only be possible if there are multiple installations of Mailman on the 
server.

-- 
Eric P.
Sunnyvale, CA



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sat Jun 12 08:23:44 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:23:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual lists with the same name?
In-Reply-To: <200406112130.35267.eric@pretorious.net>
References: <200406112130.35267.eric@pretorious.net>
Message-ID: <0DEF7EA3-BC39-11D8-9613-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 12 Jun 2004, at 05:30, Eric Pretorious wrote:

> Hello, All:
>
> I've searched the archives
> (http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/) but want to 
> make sure
> that the answer that I found there is still true:
>
> Is it possible to use Mailman 2.1.4 to host multiple virtual lists 
> with the
> same name?  (i.e., coaches at domain1.com would be different than
> coaches at domain2.com)  The previous posts on the subject hinted that 
> this
> would only be possible if there are multiple installations of Mailman 
> on the
> server.
>

With unmodified, standard Mailman source code, there is a single 
namespace for list names shared by all virtual host supported by a 
given Mailman installation. Multiple installations on the same machine 
can be used to avoid the list naming restrictions this creates.

The modified version of Mailman, shipped by Cpanel as part of their 
commercial hosting product for ISPs, adopts a different, 
list-name-munging solution to the problem but Cpanel have not made the 
modified source code generally available in the public domain.

> -- 
> Eric P.
> Sunnyvale, CA
>




From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Sat Jun 12 10:12:41 2004
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:12:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Grey digests
In-Reply-To: <004c01c45028$3c5824e0$6466a8c0@GOTimeNow>
References: <004c01c45028$3c5824e0$6466a8c0@GOTimeNow>
Message-ID: <40CABAF9.1040606@whidbey.com>

Greetings,

It has come to my attention that messages with signatures from Mozilla 
or Netscape mail clients cause digests to be displayed in grey from the 
beginning of one such message to the end of the digest when received by 
Gecko-powered mail clients when the MIME version of the digests is selected.

Obiously I can't suggest that Mozilla users downgrade to Outlook 
Express, and I don't think it will work very well to ask list members 
using Mozilla to delete their sigs before mailing. Some users (i.e. 
Earthlink subscribers) can't accept individual messages.

Has anyone looked closely at this issue? Is there a setting that can be 
changed? Is this a Gecko bug, or is there something that Mailman is 
doing wrong?

I'm a mod on a 2300-member list where this comes up from time to time 
and hope to be able to help resolve this.

Van Van Horn


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From sebastian.schulz at pluto.uni-freiburg.de  Sat Jun 12 14:37:35 2004
From: sebastian.schulz at pluto.uni-freiburg.de (Sebastian Schulz)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:37:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and exim4
In-Reply-To: <40C9F321.6070206@livingsky.net>
References: <40C9F321.6070206@livingsky.net>
Message-ID: <40CAF90F.2060501@pluto.uni-freiburg.de>

Hi Bob,

I had a simular problem with the strange Debian Configuration.

Bob wrote:

> I am using mailman 2.1.4-5 on Debian with Exim4 (with the multiple 
> configuration files). As I was reading the documentation about how to 
> set up mailman with exim4, it doesn't refer to the multiple config 
> file set-up, but only to the single exim4 configuration files. Can 
> anyone help me to figure out which files to edit in this case. For 
> example, which file should I edit to do the following
>
>>
>>       Main configuration settings
>>
>> <http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html#index>
>>
[...]

You should store these settings in 
/etc/exim4/conf.d/main/01_exim4-config_listmacrosdefs.


Some things about  Debian/Exim4 one should know:

Debian splits the config files into the stuff in /etc/exim4/conf.d. If 
you run debconf, the settings are stored in 
/etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf.
When you run 'update-exim4.conf' these settings are stored in 
'/var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated', which is read when exim4 starts. 
Maybe debconf write these file too, I don't know.
Important: The files in /etc/exim4/conf.d/dirs/ are included in 
alphabetical order (therefore the strange filenames 01_...). That's 
important because some of the Mailman configuration settings require a 
correct order (ACL settings,Router settings).

If there is an existent '/etc/exim4/exim4.conf' , this file is read 
instead of '/var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated'.

I personally prefer the one-file-setup. If you run "update-exim4.conf - 
o /etc/exim4/exim4.conf", the splitted configuration (plus the debconf 
settings) is united into a single file. See 'man update-exim4.conf' for 
more details. I don't think it is very comfortably to create ACLs or 
Routers over several files, because it complicates understanding what 
they actually do.  For more details: 
http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.30/doc/html/spec_3.html#CHAP3

Back to the configuration: After you've defined the makros, you need to 
add an router like

mailman_router:
  driver = accept
  require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck
  local_part_suffix_optional
  local_part_suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : \
                      -confirm+* : -join : -leave : \
                      -owner : -request : -admin
  transport = mailman_transport

into the router (remember that the order of routers matter!) section and 
a transport (order doesn't matter in the transport section) like

mailman_transport:
  driver = pipe
  command = MAILMAN_WRAP \
              '${if def:local_part_suffix \
                    {${sg{$local_part_suffix}{-(\\w+)(\\+.*)?}{\$1}}} \
                    {post}}' \
              $local_part
   current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
   home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
   user = MAILMAN_UID
   group = MAILMAN_GID

. If you use the transport above, you 'don't need to change your 
'/etc/alias' (using this file is depreciated for you have to change 
either the exim4 user or the Mailman user). The router checks for the 
local parts of an email adress (so no alias file is needed) in the 
Mailman/lists/ directory:

require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck

If the list exist, the mailman_transport is activated for delivering the 
emails. 

This setup works fine on my Debian/Sarge system.

Some hints for apache2 on Debian/Sarge:
mod_cgi is not enabled by default!!!!
You have to create a  symlink:
/etc/apache2/mods-enabled/cgi.load -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/cgi.load
I wondered myself some useless hours, why the admin interface didn't 
work :-(

I hope it helped
seb














From bescher at rsegroup.com  Sat Jun 12 15:52:30 2004
From: bescher at rsegroup.com (Bob Escher)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:52:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] turn off Moderation
Message-ID: <005a01c45084$81de6f40$43c12145@rsegroup.com>

Hello ALL

I have not been abe find where to allow members
to post messages to a mailing list without me needing to moderate it.
I just want people to be able to post as they want to without
any intervention by me. I have looked everywhere for it
to turn off this feature

Thanks

Bob Escher





From fish at livingsky.net  Sun Jun 13 06:32:21 2004
From: fish at livingsky.net (Bob)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:32:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and exim4
In-Reply-To: <40CAF90F.2060501@pluto.uni-freiburg.de>
References: <40C9F321.6070206@livingsky.net>
	<40CAF90F.2060501@pluto.uni-freiburg.de>
Message-ID: <40CBD8D5.2090601@livingsky.net>

Sebastian Schulz wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> I had a simular problem with the strange Debian Configuration.
>
Yeah, it seems that a lot of people have had this problem.

>
>
> You should store these settings in 
> /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/01_exim4-config_listmacrosdefs.
>
I actually created a new file called 
/etc...../main/04_exim4-config_mailman with these settings.

>
> Some things about  Debian/Exim4 one should know:
>
> Debian splits the config files into the stuff in /etc/exim4/conf.d. If 
> you run debconf, the settings are stored in 
> /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf.
> When you run 'update-exim4.conf' these settings are stored in 
> '/var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated', which is read when exim4 
> starts. Maybe debconf write these file too, I don't know.
> Important: The files in /etc/exim4/conf.d/dirs/ are included in 
> alphabetical order (therefore the strange filenames 01_...). That's 
> important because some of the Mailman configuration settings require a 
> correct order (ACL settings,Router settings).
>
> If there is an existent '/etc/exim4/exim4.conf' , this file is read 
> instead of '/var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated'.
>
> I personally prefer the one-file-setup. If you run "update-exim4.conf 
> - o /etc/exim4/exim4.conf", the splitted configuration (plus the 
> debconf settings) is united into a single file. See 'man 
> update-exim4.conf' for more details. I don't think it is very 
> comfortably to create ACLs or Routers over several files, because it 
> complicates understanding what they actually do.  For more details: 
> http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.30/doc/html/spec_3.html#CHAP3
>
> Back to the configuration: After you've defined the makros, you need 
> to add an router like
>
mailman_router:

>  driver = accept
>  require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck
>  local_part_suffix_optional
>  local_part_suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : \
>                      -confirm+* : -join : -leave : \
>                      -owner : -request : -admin
>  transport = mailman_transport
>
> into the router (remember that the order of routers matter!) section 
> and a transport (order doesn't matter in the transport section) like
>
for the above, I created 750_exim4-config_mailman

> mailman_transport:
>  driver = pipe
>  command = MAILMAN_WRAP \
>              '${if def:local_part_suffix \
>                    {${sg{$local_part_suffix}{-(\\w+)(\\+.*)?}{\$1}}} \
>                    {post}}' \
>              $local_part
>   current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
>   home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
>   user = MAILMAN_UID
>   group = MAILMAN_GID
>
and for the above I created 40_exim4-config_mailman

> . If you use the transport above, you 'don't need to change your 
> '/etc/alias' (using this file is depreciated for you have to change 
> either the exim4 user or the Mailman user). The router checks for the 
> local parts of an email adress (so no alias file is needed) in the 
> Mailman/lists/ directory:
>
> require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck
>
> If the list exist, the mailman_transport is activated for delivering 
> the emails.
> This setup works fine on my Debian/Sarge system.
>
This is what the instructions said, but exim doesn't recognize the new 
lists automatically. I had to create an alias set for the new list in 
/etc/aliases and run newaliases before the new list was recognized. I am 
not sure why, all the syntax' are correct, mailman is creating the 
lists, exim is doing the mail, but it is not recognizing without the 
alias file. No clues in the log files either, that I could see.


> Some hints for apache2 on Debian/Sarge:
> mod_cgi is not enabled by default!!!!
> You have to create a  symlink:
> /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/cgi.load -> 
> /etc/apache2/mods-available/cgi.load
> I wondered myself some useless hours, why the admin interface didn't 
> work :-(
>
My admin interface works fine without having done this. Hmmmm.

> I hope it helped
> seb
>
>
Thank you for responding, it did help. Any clues, though, on why exim 
won't recognize the new lists automatically?


-- 
Bob Lydiate
fish at livingsky.net
Please visit my site at 
http://www.livingsky.net

-----------------
Feel free to donate translations
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"Dios te le bendigo"
"Nyasaye Ogwedhi"
"Que Dieu vous benisses"




From sebastian.schulz at pluto.uni-freiburg.de  Sun Jun 13 11:26:33 2004
From: sebastian.schulz at pluto.uni-freiburg.de (Sebastian Schulz)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:26:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and exim4
In-Reply-To: <40CBD8D5.2090601@livingsky.net>
References: <40C9F321.6070206@livingsky.net>
	<40CAF90F.2060501@pluto.uni-freiburg.de>
	<40CBD8D5.2090601@livingsky.net>
Message-ID: <40CC1DC9.7060609@pluto.uni-freiburg.de>

Bob wrote:

[...]

> This is what the instructions said, but exim doesn't recognize the new 
> lists automatically. I had to create an alias set for the new list in 
> /etc/aliases and run newaliases before the new list was recognized. I 
> am not sure why, all the syntax' are correct, mailman is creating the 
> lists, exim is doing the mail, but it is not recognizing without the 
> alias file. No clues in the log files either, that I could see.
>
[...]

> Thank you for responding, it did help. Any clues, though, on why exim 
> won't recognize the new lists automatically?
>
Have you checked your system_aliases router? Here's the default router 
which comes with my installation:


system_aliases:
  debug_print = "R: system_aliases for $local_part@$domain"
  driver = redirect
  domains = +local_domains
  allow_fail
  allow_defer
  data = ${lookup{$local_part}lsearch{/etc/aliases}}
#  user = list
#  group = daemon
  file_transport = address_file
#  pipe_transport = address_pipe        ###### Piping to programs is 
should be disabled!!!
# directory_transport = address_directory


Try to disable pipe_transport or to place the mailman router before the 
system_aliases router.  Works fine on my system :-)

regards
seb



From brogers at willowcreek.org  Sat Jun 12 00:56:41 2004
From: brogers at willowcreek.org (Brett Rogers)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:56:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman feature
Message-ID: <9DF678BD174CF14F8A8E69FACBC16B3E014B2E@mail1.willowcreek.org>

With this upgrade were you able to streamline the process when you have
to change a members email address, that it replicates to all the lists
that they are subscribed to or just have on record for each email
address and have all lists reference back to a main address table?  I
hope this makes sense.
 
Let me know if you need clarity.
 
Thanks,
Brett
 
________________________________________
Brett Rogers > Information Systems
Willow Creek Community Church
67 E Algonquin Rd
South Barrington, Illinois 60010
voice > 224.512.2090 / fax > 847.765.9222
brogers at willowcreek.org / www.willowcreek.org
<http://www.willowcreek.org/> 
 


From ericp at he.net  Sat Jun 12 05:34:33 2004
From: ericp at he.net (Eric P.)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:34:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual lists with the same name?
Message-ID: <200406112034.33021.ericp@he.net>

Hello, All:

I've searched the archives 
(http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/) but want to make sure 
that the answer that I found there is still true:

Is it possible to use Mailman 2.1.4 to host multiple virtual lists with the 
same name?  (i.e., coaches at domain1.com would be different than 
coaches at domain2.com)  The previous posts on the subject hinted that this 
would only be possible if there are multiple installations of Mailman on the 
server.

Eric P.
Sunnyvale, CA



From rns3 at psu.edu  Fri Jun 11 21:35:03 2004
From: rns3 at psu.edu (Robert Snyder)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:35:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on OS X Server Web interface links point to
	http, not https
Message-ID: <20040611203503.13316@mitwc83.ce.psu.edu>

Hello,

I have Mailman running on my OS X Server 10.3.4 box. Mailman 2.1.2 comes
installed as the mail list tool for the OS X Server. I am also running
Apache, but only have an https site listening, no port 80 site.

When I try to connect to the Web interface for Mailman, at 

https://WEBSERVER/mailman/listinfo/LISTNAME 

I can connect, but all the links on the page to the admin and other
tools, when clicked on, try to go to http://WEBSERVER/mailman/listinfo/
without the httpS. Since I don't have a server listening at http (port80)
the request fails.

If I add the S to the url in my browser I can get to the page, but this
is cluggy.

Anyone know how/where to configure this?

The chapter in the Mail Server Administation book for 10.3 server is
really weak. And the GUI that OS X Server uses to set it up does not seem
to have a place to set this.

Robert

____________________________________________

Robert Snyder, Director
World Campus Data Management Services
The Pennsylvania State University
105 Mitchell Building
University Park  PA  16802
Phone: 814-865-0912  Fax: 814-865-4406 
E-mail: rsnyder at psu.edu
URL: http://www.worldcampus.psu.edu/my.campus






From webmaster at roxxxworld.com  Sat Jun 12 16:27:35 2004
From: webmaster at roxxxworld.com (Roxxx)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:27:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please Help
Message-ID: <E1BZ9Tr-0005Fz-UX@lancer.contrasthost.com>

  I've set this mailman thing up for one of my sites and am completly 
lost.   I have created a mailing list but DO NOT want the people on 
the list to be able to reply to the messages sent. I was hoping to 
just set up a basic list that I could send weekly news letters 
through.  When I did a mass subscription people could not see that 
they had been signed up...when I sent out an e-mail this morning it 
was posted to a page but no one recieved a copy of it including me.  
I'm totally confused, I spent quite a bit of time adding the address 
and dont want to have to use a different mailing list but I cannot 
figure this one out for the life of me. I dont know if the settings 
are proper and dont really understand what the FAQ pages r telling me 
to do.
 can someone please let me know what Im doing wrong and how to go 
abouts setting this up properly.
 Thanks 
-- 
Site Admin
webmaster at roxxxworld.com
ICQ 97298484




From trichard at atomicxterra.com  Fri Jun 11 15:08:59 2004
From: trichard at atomicxterra.com (Troy Richard)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:08:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] failure to deliver qmail
Message-ID: <28389.199.38.51.133.1086959339.squirrel@199.38.51.133>

I have setup mailman and everything seems to be working but every once in
a while I will recieve a failure to deliver message and this is what is
sending it out.  I cannot figure out why it is trying to send to the
localhost.  Any one have any ideas?

From: mailman-bounces at localhost.localdomain
To: mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain


Thanks
Troy





From jon at brendsel.com  Sun Jun 13 20:30:37 2004
From: jon at brendsel.com (Jon Brendsel)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:30:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookie problem with 2.1 / repeated subscription
	confirmation loop
Message-ID: <NCBBKCMOEFDNFMPLFKOFCEAGDJAA.jon@brendsel.com>

I am seeing a problem with the subscription confirmation process that
happens when you require that users "confirm" (either by opening a web form,
or by responding to the email with the cookie on the subject line.

Here is what is happening:

1.  The Mailman list is configured to require that subscribers confirm their
subscription.
2.  Mailman admin sends out a confirmation email to a newly subscribing
user.  This is being delivered as expected.  This emial contains a URL of
the following form:

http://my.domain.tld/mailman/confirm/announcements/ad6dc14fb2f8c2af6dbcba026
123a44765654283

This is where the problem occurs.

3.  If the user clicks on the link, they are taken to the usual expected
webpage asking them to confirm their subscription info.  If they choose
subscribe, then they are taking to ANOTHER webpage asking them to enter
their confirmation cookie.  This should not be happening.

But I dont see any errors in the Mailman logs.

Has anyone seen this before?  Is this a mailman issue?  Or Apache?

I have been working on this for a week now and feel like I have read
everything that I can get me hands on to no avail.

Jon.





From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun Jun 13 19:57:22 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:57:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on OS X Server Web interface
	links point to 	http, not https
In-Reply-To: <20040611203503.13316@mitwc83.ce.psu.edu>
References: <20040611203503.13316@mitwc83.ce.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002033bcf2457332af@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:35 PM -0400 2004-06-11, Robert Snyder wrote:

>  I have Mailman running on my OS X Server 10.3.4 box. Mailman 2.1.2 comes
>  installed as the mail list tool for the OS X Server. I am also running
>  Apache, but only have an https site listening, no port 80 site.
>
>  When I try to connect to the Web interface for Mailman, at
>
>  https://WEBSERVER/mailman/listinfo/LISTNAME
>
>  I can connect, but all the links on the page to the admin and other
>  tools, when clicked on, try to go to http://WEBSERVER/mailman/listinfo/
>  without the httpS. Since I don't have a server listening at http (port80)
>  the request fails.

	You may find the Mailman FAQ entries at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp> 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.027.htp> 
to be helpful.

	However, you also need to see the FAQ entry at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.021.htp>.

>  The chapter in the Mail Server Administation book for 10.3 server is
>  really weak. And the GUI that OS X Server uses to set it up does not seem
>  to have a place to set this.

	This is all up to Apple.  You need to talk to them about this.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun Jun 13 20:01:18 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:01:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman feature
In-Reply-To: <9DF678BD174CF14F8A8E69FACBC16B3E014B2E@mail1.willowcreek.org>
References: <9DF678BD174CF14F8A8E69FACBC16B3E014B2E@mail1.willowcreek.org>
Message-ID: <p06002034bcf246195987@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:56 PM -0500 2004-06-11, Brett Rogers wrote:

>  With this upgrade were you able to streamline the process when you have
>  to change a members email address, that it replicates to all the lists
>  that they are subscribed to or just have on record for each email
>  address and have all lists reference back to a main address table?  I
>  hope this makes sense.

	There is no "main address table" in current and previous versions 
of Mailman (this is a feature which may be incorpated for Mailman 
3.x, however).  The list of users for a mailing list is stored within 
a binary "pickle" for the list.  Each list has a separate "pickle" 
containing the set of users which are subscribed to that list.

	Yes, there is a page where a user can log in and change their 
e-mail address in a single place for all lists, but this is a 
separate issue.


	Regardless, the upgrade process doesn't change the e-mail address 
of any users.  It simply upgrades the lists in-place.  None of the 
e-mail addresses should change, neither for the list itself, nor for 
any of the users.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun Jun 13 20:15:01 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:15:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please Help
In-Reply-To: <E1BZ9Tr-0005Fz-UX@lancer.contrasthost.com>
References: <E1BZ9Tr-0005Fz-UX@lancer.contrasthost.com>
Message-ID: <p06002035bcf249d0386c@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:27 AM -0400 2004-06-12, Roxxx wrote:

>    I've set this mailman thing up for one of my sites and am completly
>  lost.   I have created a mailing list but DO NOT want the people on
>  the list to be able to reply to the messages sent.

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp>.

>            When I did a mass subscription people could not see that
>  they had been signed up...when I sent out an e-mail this morning it
>  was posted to a page but no one recieved a copy of it including me.

	This points to a different problem.  See the Mailman 
troubleshooting FAQ entry at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun Jun 13 20:41:05 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:41:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookie problem with 2.1 / repeated
	subscription 	confirmation loop
In-Reply-To: <NCBBKCMOEFDNFMPLFKOFCEAGDJAA.jon@brendsel.com>
References: <NCBBKCMOEFDNFMPLFKOFCEAGDJAA.jon@brendsel.com>
Message-ID: <p06002039bcf2502bb5d5@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:30 PM -0400 2004-06-13, Jon Brendsel wrote:

>  3.  If the user clicks on the link, they are taken to the usual expected
>  webpage asking them to confirm their subscription info.  If they choose
>  subscribe, then they are taking to ANOTHER webpage asking them to enter
>  their confirmation cookie.  This should not be happening.
>
>  But I dont see any errors in the Mailman logs.
>
>  Has anyone seen this before?  Is this a mailman issue?  Or Apache?

	This sounds like the redirect problem.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.045.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From msapiro at value.net  Mon Jun 14 01:02:16 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:02:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Grey digests
In-Reply-To: 004c01c45028$3c5824e0$6466a8c0@GOTimeNow
Message-ID: <PC169320040613160216087532117f5b@Notebook>

Van Van Horn wrote:

>It has come to my attention that messages with signatures from Mozilla 
>or Netscape mail clients cause digests to be displayed in grey from the 
>beginning of one such message to the end of the digest when received by 
>Gecko-powered mail clients when the MIME version of the digests is selected.

Are you sure? With Netscape 7.1 I see this only with plain text digests
and not with MIME digests. Also, I don't think it is unique to mail
from Mozilla or Netscape clients. I think you'll see it any time a
signature (or anything else) is introduced by a line containing exactly
two hyphens followed by a space and nothing else.

>Has anyone looked closely at this issue? Is there a setting that can be 
>changed? Is this a Gecko bug, or is there something that Mailman is 
>doing wrong?

It has nothing to do with Mailman per se. This is the way these mail
clients (Netscape, Mozilla, all clients using Gecko?) work. When they
see a line consisting of only "-- " in the message or in the first
part of a multipart message, they assume it's introducing a signature
and it and everything following in that part are rendered in light
face.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan




From zhuw at ucla.edu  Mon Jun 14 09:15:18 2004
From: zhuw at ucla.edu (Weijun Zhu)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:15:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to avoid the anit-spoofing error
Message-ID: <40CD5086.8090804@ucla.edu>

Hello,

I am running a list where a few subcribers are from a company. The list 
server is outside the company.
Everything works great!
But it seems that this company recently implemented anti-spoofing on 
emails and subsribers from that company
are no longer able to receive any emails sent to the list by people from 
the same company. Here is the log message I got.

 (reason: 550 Error: Anti-spoofing - From header field in inbound eMail cannot be local domain)


Is there a way to configure the list server so that this problem can be 
avoided?

Thanks a lot!
Weijun.




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Jun 14 10:34:10 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:34:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to avoid the anit-spoofing error
In-Reply-To: <40CD5086.8090804@ucla.edu>
References: <40CD5086.8090804@ucla.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002043bcf313326c89@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:15 AM -0700 2004-06-14, Weijun Zhu wrote:

>  But it seems that this company recently implemented anti-spoofing on
>  emails and subsribers from that company are no longer able to receive
>  any emails sent to the list by people from the same company. Here is
>  the log message I got.
>
>  (reason: 550 Error: Anti-spoofing - From header field in inbound eMail
>  cannot be local domain)
>
>
>  Is there a way to configure the list server so that this problem can
>  be avoided?

	No idea.  Why don't you ask the people who implemented the 
anti-spoofing technology on your mail servers?  They would know what 
they did, and what methods might be able to be used as a legitimate 
work-around.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Jun 14 10:27:37 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:27:37 +0200
Subject: Re(2): [Mailman-Users] Mailman on OS X   Server Web
	interface links point to   	http, not https
In-Reply-To: <20040614070001.25126@mitwc83.ce.psu.edu>
References: <p06002033bcf2457332af@[10.0.1.3]>
	<20040614070001.25126@mitwc83.ce.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002042bcf311e01d7d@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:00 AM -0400 2004-06-14, Robert Snyder wrote:

>  In case anyone else running OS X Server 10.3 asks, the mailman
>  executables, configure files, etc. are all found in /usr/share/mailman
>  with the local configuration file at
>
>  /usr/share/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py

	I'll update the FAQ with this information.  Thanks!

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From list at hellforge.org  Mon Jun 14 13:57:25 2004
From: list at hellforge.org (Thomas Sittig)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:57:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] command line problems
Message-ID: <opr9k15zxpj233qd@netwks26.net-communications.de>

hi,
i think, i ask this some times ago, but the problem is the same.
has anyone a idea, what can i do to work with the commandline scripte like
"list_lists" from a php file.
i know, the problem are the rights. i try to put the standard wwwrun user
to the mailman group ... without luck :\

i hope, i find now here a better idea ... or at least a tip, where i can
find some hinds ;)
-- 
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/



From msapiro at value.net  Mon Jun 14 16:56:44 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:56:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to avoid the anit-spoofing error
In-Reply-To: <40CD5086.8090804@ucla.edu>
Message-ID: <PC16932004061407564404686a5f1960@msapiro>

Weijun Zhu wrote:

>Here is the log message I got.
>
> (reason: 550 Error: Anti-spoofing - From header field in inbound eMail cannot be local domain)
>
>
>Is there a way to configure the list server so that this problem can be 
>avoided?

Have you tried setting
  USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = No
in mm_cfg.py?

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan




From nospam at webdragon.net  Mon Jun 14 17:14:40 2004
From: nospam at webdragon.net (Scott R. Godin)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:14:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman setup for vhosts
Message-ID: <1255091.JoeN2I8jhB@pcp02404936pcs.univde01.de.comcast.net >

I have a website client that would like a push-only mailing list that his
customers can subscribe to to receive announcements of special sales and
new products, and trade show schedules. 

His website, however, is hosted on an ISP (running FreeBSD) who vhosts many
different other sites. 

In the Features page, I don't really see any specific mention of whether
mailman would handle a server with many different vhosted sites. Obviously
one would like the clients to be able to subscribe and unsubscribe
themselves via a web-interface, but how to provide a link to the
client-side-admin page within the vhosted domain would be one question. 

Also I'm sure the ISP themselves would have questions regarding how this may
affect their other vhosted sites. 

Can anyone provide me with some information and explanation of these issues?
I'd be most grateful.




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Jun 14 17:41:22 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:41:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to avoid the anit-spoofing error
In-Reply-To: <40CD5086.8090804@ucla.edu>
References: <40CD5086.8090804@ucla.edu>
Message-ID: <496DEC2A-BE19-11D8-9613-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 14 Jun 2004, at 08:15, Weijun Zhu wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am running a list where a few subcribers are from a company. The 
> list server is outside the company.
> Everything works great!
> But it seems that this company recently implemented anti-spoofing on 
> emails and subsribers from that company
> are no longer able to receive any emails sent to the list by people 
> from the same company. Here is the log message I got.
>
> (reason: 550 Error: Anti-spoofing - From header field in inbound eMail 
> cannot be local domain)
>
>
> Is there a way to configure the list server so that this problem can 
> be avoided?
>

This doesn't sound like a very smart test but ...

1. setting the anonymous_list attribute on your list's General Options 
page may work but with has other consquences.

2. setting those troubled subscribers to be Digest members might also 
sidestep the problem, with fewer side effects for people not affected 
by this problem than the anonymous_list option.

> Thanks a lot!
> Weijun.
>




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Jun 14 17:58:14 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:58:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman setup for vhosts
In-Reply-To: <1255091.JoeN2I8jhB@pcp02404936pcs.univde01.de.comcast.net >
References: <1255091.JoeN2I8jhB@pcp02404936pcs.univde01.de.comcast.net >
Message-ID: <A47DE4EA-BE1B-11D8-9613-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 14 Jun 2004, at 16:14, Scott R. Godin wrote:

> I have a website client that would like a push-only mailing list that 
> his
> customers can subscribe to to receive announcements of special sales 
> and
> new products, and trade show schedules.
>
> His website, however, is hosted on an ISP (running FreeBSD) who vhosts 
> many
> different other sites.
>
> In the Features page, I don't really see any specific mention of 
> whether
> mailman would handle a server with many different vhosted sites. 
> Obviously
> one would like the clients to be able to subscribe and unsubscribe
> themselves via a web-interface, but how to provide a link to the
> client-side-admin page within the vhosted domain would be one question.
>
> Also I'm sure the ISP themselves would have questions regarding how 
> this may
> affect their other vhosted sites.
>
> Can anyone provide me with some information and explanation of these 
> issues?
> I'd be most grateful.

This recent post discusses some relevant issues:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-June/037415.html

In a private follow-up to that post I further discussed some of the 
issues:

On 13 Jun 2004, at 13:07, Richard Barrett wrote:

> Eric
>
> On 13 Jun 2004, at 03:40, Eric Pretorious wrote:
>
>> Hi, Richard!
>>
>> On Friday 11 June 2004 11:23 pm, you wrote:
>>> With unmodified, standard Mailman source code, there is a single
>>> namespace for list names shared by all virtual host supported by a
>>> given Mailman installation. Multiple installations on the same 
>>> machine
>>> can be used to avoid the list naming restrictions this creates.
>>
>> Is this difficult to configure?
>
> Not done this myself but I would not expect the Mailman end of it to 
> be much harder than a normal Mailman source install; you just have to 
> do it more than once.
>
> Say you would normally have installed Mailman into a directory called 
> /mailman/run and run the Mailman ./configure with 
> --prefix=/mailman/run and then make.
>
> My approach would be to perform per-hostname installs into directories 
> named after the  hostname, called for example /mailman/run/domX.tld, 
> running the Mailman ./configure with --prefix=/mailman/run/domX.tld 
> before running make install for each hostname to be supported
>
> You probably also want to use the --with-mailhost and --with-urlhost 
> ./configure option to get the appropriate DEFAULT_URL_HOST and 
> DEFAULT-MAIL_HOST in each installation's Defaults.py although you 
> could fix this after make'ing by assignment in mm_cfg.py
>
> In practice you will probably not have any add_virtualhost() calls in 
> your mm_cfg.py except for the single 
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST/DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST call as the use of "real" hosting 
> removes the purpose of the normal Mailman virtual hosting setup.
>
> You are going to need separate Alias and ScriptAlias (and related) 
> directives in each per-host VirtualHost container in your Apache 
> httpd.conf, each of which refers to the matching host's Mailman 
> installation directory. Behaviour when an HTTP client does not provide 
> a Host: request header is going to be a little different if you use 
> Apache named virtual hosts rather than numbered virtual hosts with 
> distinct IP numbers. But practically all modern browsers supply the 
> Host: header so I would not expect this to be a problem.
>
> Where thing may get more complicated is setting up your local MTA to 
> support virtual hosts. For instance, aliases generated by the per-host 
> copies of $per-host-prefix/bin/newlist will generate alias definitions 
> that pipe to the correct per-host instance of the Mailman delivery 
> agent script but getting your MTA to recognise the aliases belong to 
> one host rather than another is not something I am familiar with. My 
> impression is that doing this with Postfix or Exim (and possibly 
> Qmail) is likely to be easier than with Sendmail; but I seem to have 
> struggled for half a lifetime to understand Sendmail configuration, 
> with little success, and am likely to die before that task is 
> complete.
>
> Final thoughts:
>
> 1. each per-host installation has to have its own 'mailman' site list
>
> 2. moving lists between virtual hosts is a different ballgame and 
> $prefix/bin/fix_url.py is no longer what you need to change a list's 
> virtual host
>
>>
>>> The modified version of Mailman, shipped by Cpanel as part of their
>>> commercial hosting product for ISPs, adopts a different,
>>> list-name-munging solution to the problem but Cpanel have not made 
>>> the
>>> modified source code generally available in the public domain.
>>
>> Do you know where I could get it?
>>
>
> I do not know much about Cpanel but messages asking for support from 
> users have cropped up fairly frequently which is where the 
> list-name-munging trick of Cpanel has come to notice.
>
> I would not go this route myself unless I was considering to run a 
> hosting business as such but you could try starting your journey of 
> discovery here http://www.cpanel.net/




From vince at gotimenow.com  Mon Jun 14 17:59:37 2004
From: vince at gotimenow.com (Vince Kronlein)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:59:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing Via Email
Message-ID: <003c01c45228$99ee3070$6466a8c0@GOTimeNow>

Hey All,

I know this will sound like a stupid question.  But what the heck is the
address for a new user to subscribe to my list?

I've read through the documentation and it says to use the -join
or -subscribe variable.

Neither of these work.  My mailing list is xangotime at gotimenow.com

I tried mailing to xangotime-join at gotimenow.com and
xangotime-subscribe at gotimenow.com and neither of these add me to the list.
Is there someplace in the admin section where I need to change some
settings, or what's the deal?

Thanks so much.

Vince


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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Jun 14 18:19:43 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to avoid the anit-spoofing error
In-Reply-To: <PC16932004061407564404686a5f1960@msapiro>
References: <PC16932004061407564404686a5f1960@msapiro>
Message-ID: <p06002045bcf38044fce7@[10.0.1.3]>

At 7:56 AM -0700 2004-06-14, Mark Sapiro wrote:

>>  (reason: 550 Error: Anti-spoofing - From header field in inbound eMail
>>  cannot be local domain)

		[ ... deletia ... ]

>  Have you tried setting
>    USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = No
>  in mm_cfg.py?

	That's on the mailing list server side.  If I understand 
correctly, the problem is that the mailing list server is sending out 
e-mail that claims to be from within the domain, which is being 
rejected by the mail server.  This is a classic case of 
mis-configuration of the mail server, and is not a problem that is 
likely to be able to be resolved by the external mailing list server.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Jun 14 18:33:30 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:33:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman setup for vhosts
In-Reply-To: <1255091.JoeN2I8jhB@pcp02404936pcs.univde01.de.comcast.net >
References: <1255091.JoeN2I8jhB@pcp02404936pcs.univde01.de.comcast.net >
Message-ID: <p06002047bcf381082ad2@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:14 AM -0400 2004-06-14, Scott R. Godin wrote:

>  I have a website client that would like a push-only mailing list that his
>  customers can subscribe to to receive announcements of special sales and
>  new products, and trade show schedules.

	As far as this goes, it's simple enough to do.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp>.

>  His website, however, is hosted on an ISP (running FreeBSD) who vhosts many
>  different other sites.

	This is not necessarily a problem.  If the mailing list server is 
hosted elsewhere where they can have a private copy of Mailman hosted 
for them, or if this is hosted as a virtual machine account where 
they can have a private copy of Mailman hosted.

>  In the Features page, I don't really see any specific mention of whether
>  mailman would handle a server with many different vhosted sites. Obviously
>  one would like the clients to be able to subscribe and unsubscribe
>  themselves via a web-interface, but how to provide a link to the
>  client-side-admin page within the vhosted domain would be one question.

	Mailman handles virtual domains just fine.  The problem is that 
this is done via aliases, and each listname is available from each 
virtual domain.  So, you can't have two separate lists with the same 
name under different domains.

	The folks at CPanel have come up with their own private patches 
to resolve this issue, but then you'd have to host the list with 
them, or run their software.

	However, before you decide to do this, consider that if you run 
their software or host the list at their site, you'll have to get all 
your Mailman support from CPanel and not here.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp>.


	There are other patches to support virtual domains in a 
better/different fashion that I've seen posted to the list, but you'd 
have to see the archives.  You should also search the SourceForge 
patches list for Mailman.

	I found an old patch at 
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=943827&group_id=103&atid=300103> 
that was developed with Mailman 2.1.1-5.1/Debian stable, but I don't 
know how well they work, or how much work would be required to bring 
them forward to version 2.1.5.

>  Also I'm sure the ISP themselves would have questions regarding how this may
>  affect their other vhosted sites.
>
>  Can anyone provide me with some information and explanation of these issues?
>  I'd be most grateful.

	I think that searching the archives and SourceForge are likely to 
be your best bet.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Jun 14 18:48:01 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:48:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman setup for vhosts
In-Reply-To: <A47DE4EA-BE1B-11D8-9613-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <1255091.JoeN2I8jhB@pcp02404936pcs.univde01.de.comcast.net >
	<A47DE4EA-BE1B-11D8-9613-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06002048bcf387139577@[10.0.1.3]>

At 4:58 PM +0100 2004-06-14, Richard Barrett wrote:

>>  Can anyone provide me with some information and explanation of these issues?
>>  I'd be most grateful.
>
>  This recent post discusses some relevant issues:
>
>  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-June/037415.html

	Okay, I've tried to tie these two threads together with the FAQ 
entry at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.047.htp>. 
Please let me know if you think there need to be any changes made, or 
feel free to make them yourself.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Jun 14 18:54:00 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:54:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing Via Email
In-Reply-To: <003c01c45228$99ee3070$6466a8c0@GOTimeNow>
References: <003c01c45228$99ee3070$6466a8c0@GOTimeNow>
Message-ID: <p06002049bcf38817d26c@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:59 AM -0500 2004-06-14, Vince Kronlein wrote:

>  I know this will sound like a stupid question.  But what the heck is the
>  address for a new user to subscribe to my list?
>
>  I've read through the documentation and it says to use the -join
>  or -subscribe variable.

	According to the documentation at 
<http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node10.html>, that's correct.

>  Neither of these work.  My mailing list is xangotime at gotimenow.com
>
>  I tried mailing to xangotime-join at gotimenow.com and
>  xangotime-subscribe at gotimenow.com and neither of these add me to the list.
>  Is there someplace in the admin section where I need to change some
>  settings, or what's the deal?

	Are you getting any error messages sent to the administrator?  Do 
you require confirmation and/or approval for subscription requests? 
What's in the Mailman logs?  What's in the logs of your mail server? 
Any one of these could point to a particular problem.

	You may also want to look at the Mailman FAQ entry for general 
trouble-shooting at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From msapiro at value.net  Mon Jun 14 18:58:15 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:58:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to avoid the anit-spoofing error
In-Reply-To: <p06002045bcf38044fce7@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <PC16932004061409581504536a5f1934@msapiro>

Brad Knowles wrote:

>At 7:56 AM -0700 2004-06-14, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>>>  (reason: 550 Error: Anti-spoofing - From header field in inbound eMail
>>>  cannot be local domain)
>
>		[ ... deletia ... ]
>
>>  Have you tried setting
>>    USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = No
>>  in mm_cfg.py?
>
>	That's on the mailing list server side.  If I understand 
>correctly, the problem is that the mailing list server is sending out 
>e-mail that claims to be from within the domain, which is being 
>rejected by the mail server.

I'm sure your understanding is correct. I read the original post a
little too quickly.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan




From zzizzle at zzizzle.com  Mon Jun 14 19:24:04 2004
From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com (zzizzle.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:24:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing Via Email - Brilliant.
In-Reply-To: <20040614161521.52B0827F67@ludo.dreamhost.com>
References: <20040614161521.52B0827F67@ludo.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <A22D661A-BE27-11D8-8864-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com>

Is there a way to subscribe via email?
And then to get to confirmation link and sent to a page of my choice?
I am also wondering if anyone know where and if you can edit that 
confirmation link and other obscure text that you can't seem to access 
through the system.  I am using DreamHost and it only has access to 
certain functions.  Thank you VERY much for anyone who can help!!!

Jonathan :)




From mmuserslist at nwcweb.com  Mon Jun 14 19:36:39 2004
From: mmuserslist at nwcweb.com (David J. Duffner - NWCWEB.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:36:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman setup for vhosts
In-Reply-To: <p06002047bcf381082ad2@[10.0.1.3]>
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>-----Original Message-----
>[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Brad Knowles
>Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 12:34 PM
>To: Scott R. Godin
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman setup for vhosts
>
>>At 11:14 AM -0400 2004-06-14, Scott R. Godin wrote:
>>
>>  I have a website client that would like a push-only mailing 
>>list that his customers can subscribe to to receive announcements of 
>>special sales and new products, and trade show schedules.
>>
>>	As far as this goes, it's simple enough to do.  See 
>><http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp>.
>>
>>  His website, however, is hosted on an ISP (running FreeBSD) 
>>who vhosts many different other sites.
>
>	This is not necessarily a problem.  If the mailing list 
>server is hosted elsewhere where they can have a private copy of Mailman hosted

>for them, or if this is hosted as a virtual machine account where 
>they can have a private copy of Mailman hosted.
>
>>  In the Features page, I don't really see any specific 
>>mention of whether mailman would handle a server with many different vhosted 
>>sites. Obviously one would like the clients to be able to subscribe and
>>unsubscribe themselves via a web-interface, but how to provide a link to the
>>client-side-admin page within the vhosted domain would be one question.
>
>	Mailman handles virtual domains just fine.  The problem is that 
>this is done via aliases, and each listname is available from each 
>virtual domain.  So, you can't have two separate lists with the same 
>name under different domains.
>
>	The folks at CPanel have come up with their own private patches 
>to resolve this issue, but then you'd have to host the list with 
>them, or run their software.
>
>	However, before you decide to do this, consider that if you run 
>their software or host the list at their site, you'll have to get all 
>your Mailman support from CPanel and not here.  See 
><http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp>.
>
>	There are other patches to support virtual domains in a 
>better/different fashion that I've seen posted to the list, but you'd 
>have to see the archives.  You should also search the SourceForge 
>patches list for Mailman.

	Ok, wading through this I possibly have some insight as we've
been pounding on this solution in a Red Hat Linux environment for 
some time with success:

http://forum.ev1servers.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43004

	We've managed to make an earlier version of Mailman that would
do as this gent needs, but under Ensim Pro's chrooted environment with
virtual sites.  In this fashion we've managed to make separate and 
distinct copies of Mailman not only install but provide all the normal
features for this revision.  I'm using this now and it works without
a hitch.  I'd discussed any workarounds for a chrooted environment here
about a year ago with limited success, but we finally got a solution!

	This solution is working under Ensim Pro with both RHEL and the
Fedora cores.

	Upgrading Mailman to the latest version is the remaining challenge
as it doesn't run as a cronjob as we've achieved in this solution.  To
get Mailmanctl to function properly, the only thoughts we've had are to
possibly run multiple copies of Mailmanctl for each domain that would
host lists, but we haven't tried that yet and are open to any suggestions
or options we might have there.

	HTH as far as a possible baseline solution in Scott's case!

      David J. Duffner
      VP Operations
      NWC Corporation
      NWCWEB.com
      
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From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Mon Jun 14 19:41:47 2004
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:41:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing subscribers to topics
In-Reply-To: <20040612004201.GC18129@server.onjapan.net>
References: <40C8E1A6.70601@state.or.us>	<A54E111E-BB60-11D8-89F1-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>	<40C9E540.2080509@state.or.us>
	<20040612004201.GC18129@server.onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <40CDE35B.2090801@state.or.us>

That addtopics.py was a typo. The name of the file is addtopic.py, but 
when I run withlist, I get the error message that I quoted, that the 
addtopic module doesn't exist. Do I have to 'install' the module or 
something? I am a novice with Python, so am unfamiliar with modules, but 
I have been reading a bit. Any help is most appreciated.

Jim Tittsler wrote:

>On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 10:00:48AM -0700, Christopher Adams wrote:
>  
>
>>Thanks for your reply. As an experiment, I tried doing just as you said. 
>>I created a file named addtopics.py in the /lists/Mailman directory. 
>>    
>>
>
>Spelling error?  addtopics.py instead of addtopic.py?
>
>  
>
>>From the command line, I issued the command:  ./withlist -l -r addtopic 
>>testlist joe.blow at anywhere.com Licensing
>>
>>The result follow:
>>
>>Importing addtopic...
>>Traceback (most recent call last):
>> File "./withlist", line 275, in ?
>>   main()
>> File "./withlist", line 247, in main
>>   mod = __import__(module)
>>ImportError: No module named addtopic
>>    
>>
>
>By default bin/withlist -r will run a function from a module of
>the same name... so a function called addtopic in the
>addtopic.py module is the least typing.  :-)
>
>But, you can specify the module name and the callable function:
>
>$ bin/withlist -l -r addtopics.addtopic testlist joe.blow at anywhere Licensing
>
>
>  
>

-- 
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Library Systems Analyst
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243 258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us






From jon at brendsel.com  Mon Jun 14 19:49:02 2004
From: jon at brendsel.com (jon at brendsel.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:49:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookie problem with 2.1 / repeated subscription
	confirmation loop
References: <NCBBKCMOEFDNFMPLFKOFCEAGDJAA.jon@brendsel.com>
	<p06002039bcf2502bb5d5@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <006401c45237$e24fdc60$0572830a@vcorp.ad.vrsn.com>

thanks brad.

embedding the port in the URL pattern fixed everything except for the
/pipermail/ alias. it would seem that this alias does not respect the
URL_PATTERN statement which contains the port #.

Will adding a second URL_PATTERN statement fix it?

Thanks.

Jon.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Knowles" <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
To: <jon at brendsel.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Cookie problem with 2.1 / repeated subscription
confirmation loop


> At 2:30 PM -0400 2004-06-13, Jon Brendsel wrote:
>
> >  3.  If the user clicks on the link, they are taken to the usual
expected
> >  webpage asking them to confirm their subscription info.  If they choose
> >  subscribe, then they are taking to ANOTHER webpage asking them to enter
> >  their confirmation cookie.  This should not be happening.
> >
> >  But I dont see any errors in the Mailman logs.
> >
> >  Has anyone seen this before?  Is this a mailman issue?  Or Apache?
>
> This sounds like the redirect problem.  See
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.045.htp>.
>
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>





From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Jun 14 20:20:52 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:20:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing Via Email - Brilliant.
In-Reply-To: <A22D661A-BE27-11D8-8864-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com>
References: <20040614161521.52B0827F67@ludo.dreamhost.com>
	<A22D661A-BE27-11D8-8864-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com>
Message-ID: <p0600204abcf39c2b8726@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:24 AM -0700 2004-06-14, zzizzle.com wrote:

>  Is there a way to subscribe via email?

	If you had looked at the user documentation, you would have 
easily found the page at 
<http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node10.html> which describes the 
e-mail interface to Mailman.

>  And then to get to confirmation link and sent to a page of my choice?

	Mailman will send out a message that they can reply to by e-mail, 
or they can click on a link.  Either way, the result will be the same 
-- the subscription will be confirmed.

	I believe that all of this is explained adequately in the documentation.

>  I am also wondering if anyone know where and if you can edit that
>  confirmation link and other obscure text that you can't seem to access
>  through the system.  I am using DreamHost and it only has access to
>  certain functions.  Thank you VERY much for anyone who can help!!!

	There are templates that can be edited, but doing so would 
require direct access to the template files.  You'd need to ask your 
hosting provider for assistance with that.

	Beyond that, if you look at the admin interface for the list, 
there are a variety of places where you can customize some of the 
text that is used for various functions.  Each of these places 
includes a short description of what the customized text would be 
used for, along with a link to additional information on that subject.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Jun 14 20:28:59 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:28:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing subscribers to topics
In-Reply-To: <40CDE35B.2090801@state.or.us>
References: <40C8E1A6.70601@state.or.us>
	<A54E111E-BB60-11D8-89F1-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
	<40C9E540.2080509@state.or.us>
	<20040612004201.GC18129@server.onjapan.net>
	<40CDE35B.2090801@state.or.us>
Message-ID: <p0600204bbcf39e640c6c@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:41 AM -0700 2004-06-14, Christopher Adams wrote:

>  That addtopics.py was a typo. The name of the file is addtopic.py, but
>  when I run withlist, I get the error message that I quoted, that the
>  addtopic module doesn't exist. Do I have to 'install' the module or
>  something? I am a novice with Python, so am unfamiliar with modules,
>  but I have been reading a bit. Any help is most appreciated.

	I don't see this module listed on the page at 
<http://www.list.org/site.html>, or in the Mailman FAQ entry at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp>.

	Looking at my own 2.1.4 installation, the only files I find 
anywhere on the system which include the string "opic" anywhere in 
the file name are in /usr/local/mailman, named:

		% find . -name \*opic\* -print
		./Mailman/Gui/Topics.py
		./Mailman/Gui/Topics.pyc
		./Mailman/TopicMgr.py
		./Mailman/TopicMgr.pyc

	I'm not sure that this module exists, or that it is used in this way.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From nospam at webdragon.net  Mon Jun 14 19:03:36 2004
From: nospam at webdragon.net (Scott R. Godin)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:03:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman setup for vhosts
References: <A47DE4EA-BE1B-11D8-9613-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<p06002048bcf387139577@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <22656456.nbtvKNsxOd@pcp02404936pcs.univde01.de.comcast.net >

Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 4:58 PM +0100 2004-06-14, Richard Barrett wrote:
> 
>>>  Can anyone provide me with some information and explanation of these
>>>  issues? I'd be most grateful.
>>
>>  This recent post discusses some relevant issues:
>>
>>  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-June/037415.html
> 
> Okay, I've tried to tie these two threads together with the FAQ
> entry at
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.047.htp>.
> Please let me know if you think there need to be any changes made, or
> feel free to make them yourself.

It seems to me that this is an enormous amount of work to enable a mailing
list for a single vhosted client (with only the possibility of the other
vhosted clients using this solution for their websites). 




From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Mon Jun 14 22:02:10 2004
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:02:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing subscribers to topics
In-Reply-To: <p0600204bbcf39e640c6c@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <40C8E1A6.70601@state.or.us>
	<A54E111E-BB60-11D8-89F1-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
	<40C9E540.2080509@state.or.us>
	<20040612004201.GC18129@server.onjapan.net>
	<40CDE35B.2090801@state.or.us> <p0600204bbcf39e640c6c@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <40CE0442.3040401@state.or.us>

I see what you  are saying, but the instructions were to create a file 
called addtopic.py, include certain information in it, and then run it 
with the withlist command. While reading abou Python modules, it says 
that you can install  them. I don't know much about Python and am just 
fishing for answers to my various questions.

Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 10:41 AM -0700 2004-06-14, Christopher Adams wrote:
>
>>  That addtopics.py was a typo. The name of the file is addtopic.py, but
>>  when I run withlist, I get the error message that I quoted, that the
>>  addtopic module doesn't exist. Do I have to 'install' the module or
>>  something? I am a novice with Python, so am unfamiliar with modules,
>>  but I have been reading a bit. Any help is most appreciated.
>
>
>     I don't see this module listed on the page at 
> <http://www.list.org/site.html>, or in the Mailman FAQ entry at 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp>.
>
>     Looking at my own 2.1.4 installation, the only files I find 
> anywhere on the system which include the string "opic" anywhere in the 
> file name are in /usr/local/mailman, named:
>
>         % find . -name \*opic\* -print
>         ./Mailman/Gui/Topics.py
>         ./Mailman/Gui/Topics.pyc
>         ./Mailman/TopicMgr.py
>         ./Mailman/TopicMgr.pyc
>
>     I'm not sure that this module exists, or that it is used in this way.
>

-- 
Christopher Adams
Library Systems Analyst
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243 258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us






From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Jun 14 21:46:37 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:46:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman setup for vhosts
In-Reply-To: <22656456.nbtvKNsxOd@pcp02404936pcs.univde01.de.comcast.net >
References: <A47DE4EA-BE1B-11D8-9613-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<p06002048bcf387139577@[10.0.1.3]>
	<22656456.nbtvKNsxOd@pcp02404936pcs.univde01.de.comcast.net >
Message-ID: <p0600204ebcf3b0173283@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:03 PM -0400 2004-06-14, Scott R. Godin wrote:

>  It seems to me that this is an enormous amount of work to enable a mailing
>  list for a single vhosted client (with only the possibility of the other
>  vhosted clients using this solution for their websites).

	If there's only one account on the system who is making use of 
Mailman, then there shouldn't be a problem.

	You could either install Mailman under the account of the of the 
single user (assuming the hosting provider allows this), or you can 
take the risk that the single system-wide installation will only be 
used by the one customer, and that no one else will try to use the 
same installation to host another list by the same name under a 
different domain.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Jun 14 22:14:16 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:14:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing subscribers to topics
In-Reply-To: <40CE0442.3040401@state.or.us>
References: <40C8E1A6.70601@state.or.us>
	<A54E111E-BB60-11D8-89F1-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
	<40C9E540.2080509@state.or.us>
	<20040612004201.GC18129@server.onjapan.net>
	<40CDE35B.2090801@state.or.us> <p0600204bbcf39e640c6c@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40CE0442.3040401@state.or.us>
Message-ID: <p06002050bcf3b64ea770@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:02 PM -0700 2004-06-14, Christopher Adams wrote:

>  I see what you  are saying, but the instructions were to create a file
>  called addtopic.py, include certain information in it, and then run it
>  with the withlist command. While reading abou Python modules, it says
>  that you can install  them. I don't know much about Python and am just
>  fishing for answers to my various questions.

	Sorry, my mistake.  I misunderstood the question being asked, and 
did not connect it with the messages previously sent by Jim Tittsler 
on this subject.


	Unfortunately, you're talking about issues with programming in 
Python, and I'm not a programmer, nor do I know anything about 
Python.  I think you're going to have to work out these issues with 
Jim, or someone else on the list who has knowledge in these areas.

	If/when you can find a solution to this problem, perhaps you 
could send that information to Christopher Kolar 
(ckolar at admin.aurora.edu), so that he could make suitable updates to 
documentation at 
<http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Mon Jun 14 23:28:36 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:28:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to avoid the anit-spoofing error
In-Reply-To: <p06002045bcf38044fce7@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <PC16932004061407564404686a5f1960@msapiro>
	<p06002045bcf38044fce7@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <CBCA11F6-BE49-11D8-B172-000393C7E702@sussex.ac.uk>


On 14 Jun 2004, at 17:19, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 7:56 AM -0700 2004-06-14, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>>>  (reason: 550 Error: Anti-spoofing - From header field in inbound 
>>> eMail
>>>  cannot be local domain)
>
> 		[ ... deletia ... ]
>
>>  Have you tried setting
>>    USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = No
>>  in mm_cfg.py?
>
> 	That's on the mailing list server side.  If I understand correctly, 
> the problem is that the mailing list server is sending out e-mail that 
> claims to be from within the domain, which is being rejected by the 
> mail server.  This is a classic case of mis-configuration of the mail 
> server, and is not a problem that is likely to be able to be resolved 
> by the external mailing list server.
>

Note that the misconfigured server is the one issuing the 550 error. 
Your list server is working the way mailing lists are supposed to work. 
The email really IS from the person that it says its from.

Ask the company to fix this. Otherwise their staff won't be able to get 
copies of their own (or each others) posts from most lists.

Its easy to fix, if they have a decent mail server. Simply add a header 
(Eg "X-company: yes", where company is the company name) to the 
outgoing mail server, and permit "spoofing" when that header is 
present. Look at my headers for an example.

That's a fairly simple thing to do, and no spammer is going to go to 
the trouble of working out how to circumvent this in a hurry. If the 
trick catches on, then maybe they will. In that case, you need to do 
something more clever, like giving the header an MD5 hash of the sender 
address and the date and time that the mail was sent  (extracted from a 
header, of course) and some secret password. Probably not worth trying 
to work that out at the moment, though.
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Jun 14 23:37:04 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:37:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to avoid the anit-spoofing error
In-Reply-To: <CBCA11F6-BE49-11D8-B172-000393C7E702@sussex.ac.uk>
References: <PC16932004061407564404686a5f1960@msapiro>
	<p06002045bcf38044fce7@[10.0.1.3]>
	<CBCA11F6-BE49-11D8-B172-000393C7E702@sussex.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <p06002052bcf3ca4354da@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:28 PM +0100 2004-06-14, Ian A B Eiloart wrote:

>  Note that the misconfigured server is the one issuing the 550 error.
>  Your list server is working the way mailing lists are supposed to
>  work. The email really IS from the person that it says its from.
>
>  Ask the company to fix this. Otherwise their staff won't be able to
>  get copies of their own (or each others) posts from most lists.

	Indeed.  I suspect that the company may have implemented SPF (see 
<http://bradknowles.typepad.com/>).

	In this case, one easy solution would be for the company to 
designate the mailing list server as one of the systems that is 
officially allowed to generate e-mail that claims to be from the 
company.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From stpeter at jabber.org  Tue Jun 15 00:34:57 2004
From: stpeter at jabber.org (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:34:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one dead list (all others fine)
In-Reply-To: <20040609233023.GE1794@jabber.org>
References: <20040609233023.GE1794@jabber.org>
Message-ID: <20040614223456.GA27383@jabber.org>

Thanks to an offlist message from Jeff Barger, I'm back up and running
(just need to get archiving to work again). A fresh install of 2.1.5
seems to have been the answer. Many thanks for all the suggestions.

oAo!

Peter

On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 06:30:23PM -0500, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> Last week, one of the mailing lists for which I'm an admin stopped
> sending out messages (I was gone, so I didn't notice until today). All
> the other lists on this same server are functioning properly. The list
> (jadmin at jabber.org) has fairly high volume but so do other lists on the 
> server. We are running Mailman 2.1.3 (upgraded in February, no troubles 
> since then, well, other than some posts not being archived -- we'll 
> leave that for another message) on Debian testing with Postfix. The 
> perms for this list seem fine (same as other lists on the machine). I 
> have enabled emergency moderation and posts to the list are now held in 
> the admin queue, but if I approve a message it does not get distributed 
> to the list. Neither is mail to jadmin-admin at jabber.org delivered to the 
> list admins. The last timestamp on the mbox file for this list is
> 2004-06-02T17:17 (no mail sent since then). 
> 
> I'm puzzled. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.
> 
> BTW, before sending this mail I did the following:
> 
> 0. Ran the check_perms script.
> 1. Verified that cron is running.
> 2. Checked aliases and ran newaliases.
> 3. Verified that postfix doesn't use smrsh.
> 4. Checked interface (other lists working fine).
> 5. Checked that qrunner is working fine.
> 6. Checked for locks (none on the offending list).
> 7. Checked logs but don't see any egregious errors.
> 8. Cleared out the qfiles.
> 9. Checked SMTPHOST (other lists working fine).
> 
> Since this list is the main list for administrators of Jabber servers 
> (the IM equivalent of mailman-users, if you will), I'm eager to get it 
> running again.
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
> Peter
> 
> -- 
> Peter Saint-Andre
> Jabber Software Foundation
> http://www.jabber.org/people/stpeter.php
> 



From fish at livingsky.net  Tue Jun 15 01:21:24 2004
From: fish at livingsky.net (Bob)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:21:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with configuration
Message-ID: <40CE32F4.5080100@livingsky.net>

I have mailman 2.1.4 running on an exim4/Debian system. I am running the 
multiple configuration for exim4, and have been able to get some help 
from this list to do so. We have figured out some of the problems, but 
when I set-up the various macros/files the way suggested (which did get 
my mailman running and exim accepting and sending mail) I found that two 
things stopped working. The automatic recognition by exim4 of the newly 
created lists (without creating entries in /etc/aliases) and that the 
various list addresses placed in confirmation emails were formatted 
wrong. ( http://livingsky.net/cgi-bin/mailmanadmin/test3)  This was in 
the email sent when I created a new test list, and all the addresses 
were in this shape. The addresses sent to new subscribers were fine. I 
could not find which file created these confirmation letters, and so, am 
asking for help on both these matters.

-- 
Bob Lydiate
fish at livingsky.net
Please visit my site at 
http://www.livingsky.net

-----------------
Feel free to donate translations
"God bless you"
"Dios te le bendigo"
"Nyasaye Ogwedhi"
"Que Dieu vous benisses"




From ronj at san.rr.com  Tue Jun 15 02:24:08 2004
From: ronj at san.rr.com (Ron Jaenisch)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:24:08 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with configuration
References: <40CE32F4.5080100@livingsky.net>
Message-ID: <40CE41A8.00004F.01804@REINHART-SEMKYB>

It appears that emails sent hours ago are still not here
and I tried pressing the emergency moderator feature
where do I see the list to be moderated?
 http://highestwisdom.com/mailman/admindb/franz_bardon_highestwisdom.com
They would probably be on the above page but none have ever been there.
 
Regards
Ron at Precisiontrader dot com
-----------------------------------------
As you breathe in, imagine the increasing gratitude you feel, as prosperity
expands in all areas of your life.
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Bob
Date: 06/14/04 17:18:34
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with configuration
 
I have mailman 2.1.4 running on an exim4/Debian system. I am running the
multiple configuration for exim4, and have been able to get some help
from this list to do so. We have figured out some of the problems, but
when I set-up the various macros/files the way suggested (which did get
my mailman running and exim accepting and sending mail) I found that two
things stopped working. The automatic recognition by exim4 of the newly
created lists (without creating entries in /etc/aliases) and that the
various list addresses placed in confirmation emails were formatted
wrong. ( http://livingsky.net/cgi-bin/mailmanadmin/test3)  This was in
the email sent when I created a new test list, and all the addresses
were in this shape. The addresses sent to new subscribers were fine. I
could not find which file created these confirmation letters, and so, am
asking for help on both these matters.
 
--
Bob Lydiate
fish at livingsky.net
Please visit my site at
http://www.livingsky.net
 
-----------------
Feel free to donate translations
"God bless you"
"Dios te le bendigo"
"Nyasaye Ogwedhi"
"Que Dieu vous benisses"
 
 
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From rower at MovieEditor.com  Tue Jun 15 02:29:28 2004
From: rower at MovieEditor.com (Robin Rowe)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:29:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving mailman list
Message-ID: <07df01c4526f$d43a1400$0200a8c0@tbird>

If this is in a FAQ somewhere that explains this please just point me to it.

I have a mailman list that I want to move to a different ISP. To do a mass
subscribe at the new list I can simply use a text list of addresses, but how
do I extract that info out of the old mailman list as a text file?

Thanks!

Robin




From zhuw at ucla.edu  Tue Jun 15 02:31:58 2004
From: zhuw at ucla.edu (Weijun Zhu)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:31:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to avoid the anit-spoofing error
In-Reply-To: <p06002052bcf3ca4354da@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <PC16932004061407564404686a5f1960@msapiro>	<p06002045bcf38044fce7@[10.0.1.3]>	<CBCA11F6-BE49-11D8-B172-000393C7E702@sussex.ac.uk>
	<p06002052bcf3ca4354da@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <40CE437E.2070106@ucla.edu>

Thanks everyone for clarifying the problem.
I will forward the suggestions that you guys give to the company.

Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 10:28 PM +0100 2004-06-14, Ian A B Eiloart wrote:
>
>>  Note that the misconfigured server is the one issuing the 550 error.
>>  Your list server is working the way mailing lists are supposed to
>>  work. The email really IS from the person that it says its from.
>>
>>  Ask the company to fix this. Otherwise their staff won't be able to
>>  get copies of their own (or each others) posts from most lists.
>
>
>     Indeed.  I suspect that the company may have implemented SPF (see 
> <http://bradknowles.typepad.com/>).
>
>     In this case, one easy solution would be for the company to 
> designate the mailing list server as one of the systems that is 
> officially allowed to generate e-mail that claims to be from the company.
>




From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue Jun 15 02:40:32 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:40:32 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing subscribers to topics
In-Reply-To: <40CDE35B.2090801@state.or.us>
References: <40C8E1A6.70601@state.or.us>	<A54E111E-BB60-11D8-89F1-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>	<40C9E540.2080509@state.or.us>
	<20040612004201.GC18129@server.onjapan.net>
	<40CDE35B.2090801@state.or.us>
Message-ID: <9BE89116-BE64-11D8-9875-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Jun 15, 2004, at 02:41, Christopher Adams wrote:

> That addtopics.py was a typo. The name of the file is addtopic.py, but 
> when I run withlist, I get the error message that I quoted, that the 
> addtopic module doesn't exist.

I typically keep the *.py files I use with withlist in either the top 
level Mailman directory (sometimes referred to as $prefix or  
/usr/local/mailman by default) or in its bin directory.  If you put 
addtopic.py in either of those directories, it should be found whether 
you invoke withlist as 'bin/withlist' from the top level directory as I 
suggested, or as './withlist' as you tried.

>  Do I have to 'install' the module or something?

No.  It just needs to be in one of the places Python searches for a 
module.  (This search path can be seen by examining the value of 
Python's sys.path variable.  You could stick a 'print sys.path' just 
before the try to see the directories that will be searched for your 
new module.)

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun 15 02:56:07 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:56:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving mailman list
In-Reply-To: <07df01c4526f$d43a1400$0200a8c0@tbird>
References: <07df01c4526f$d43a1400$0200a8c0@tbird>
Message-ID: <p06002055bcf3f81812e2@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:29 PM -0700 2004-06-14, Robin Rowe wrote:

>  If this is in a FAQ somewhere that explains this please just point me to it.

	The FAQ entry on this subject is at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.004.htp>.

	However, reading this entry, I see that it needs work.

>  I have a mailman list that I want to move to a different ISP. To do a mass
>  subscribe at the new list I can simply use a text list of addresses, but how
>  do I extract that info out of the old mailman list as a text file?

	Two ways:

		1.  If you have access to the command line prompt on the server
			where the list is located, you can use the command list_members
			(see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp>).

		2.  Depending on the permissions set for the list, you can use
			the e-mail admin interface.  The FAQ entry at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.025.htp>
			has useful information in this area.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun 15 03:26:01 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:26:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with configuration
In-Reply-To: <40CE41A8.00004F.01804@REINHART-SEMKYB>
References: <40CE32F4.5080100@livingsky.net>
	<40CE41A8.00004F.01804@REINHART-SEMKYB>
Message-ID: <p06002056bcf3ff74cc65@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:24 PM -0700 2004-06-14, Ron Jaenisch wrote:

>  It appears that emails sent hours ago are still not here
>  and I tried pressing the emergency moderator feature
>  where do I see the list to be moderated?

	Have you seen the FAQ entry at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp>?

	If you go towards the bottom of the "General Options" page for 
the list, you should see the field described as "Emergency moderation 
of all list traffic".  You can also set the individual moderation 
flags for users by going to the "Membership List" sub-page of the 
"Membership Management..." section -- click on the box in the "mod" 
column.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue Jun 15 04:00:27 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:00:27 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookie problem with 2.1 / repeated subscription
	confirmation loop
In-Reply-To: <006401c45237$e24fdc60$0572830a@vcorp.ad.vrsn.com>
References: <NCBBKCMOEFDNFMPLFKOFCEAGDJAA.jon@brendsel.com>
	<p06002039bcf2502bb5d5@[10.0.1.3]>
	<006401c45237$e24fdc60$0572830a@vcorp.ad.vrsn.com>
Message-ID: <C5688B8E-BE6F-11D8-9875-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Jun 15, 2004, at 02:49, <jon at brendsel.com> wrote:

> embedding the port in the URL pattern fixed everything except for the
> /pipermail/ alias. it would seem that this alias does not respect the
> URL_PATTERN statement which contains the port #.

There is a PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL pattern that you should set in your 
mm_cfg.py.  (Check the default value in Defaults.py.)

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From fish at livingsky.net  Tue Jun 15 04:28:28 2004
From: fish at livingsky.net (Bob)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:28:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with configuration - resend
Message-ID: <40CE5ECC.3040801@livingsky.net>

It seems that my topic and original request got accidently hijacked, so 
I am sending this again.

I have mailman 2.1.4 running on an exim4/Debian system. I am running the
multiple configuration for exim4, and have been able to get some help
from this list to do so. We have figured out some of the problems, but
when I set-up the various macros/files the way suggested (which did get
my mailman running and exim accepting and sending mail) I found that two
things stopped working. The automatic recognition by exim4 of the newly
created lists (without creating entries in /etc/aliases) and that the
various list addresses placed in confirmation emails were formatted
wrong. ( http://livingsky.net/cgi-bin/mailmanadmin/test3)  This was in
the email sent when I created a new test list, and all the addresses
were in this shape. The addresses sent to new subscribers were fine. I
could not find which file created these confirmation letters, and so, am
asking for help on both these matters.

-- 
Bob Lydiate
fish at livingsky.net
Please visit my site at
http://www.livingsky.net

-----------------
Feel free to donate translations
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"Dios te le bendigo"
"Nyasaye Ogwedhi"
"Que Dieu vous benisses"





From nospam at webdragon.net  Tue Jun 15 04:43:43 2004
From: nospam at webdragon.net (Scott R. Godin)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:43:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman setup for vhosts
References: <A47DE4EA-BE1B-11D8-9613-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<p06002048bcf387139577@[10.0.1.3]>
	<p0600204ebcf3b0173283@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <2254633.Y02vnSmbgs@pcp02404936pcs.univde01.de.comcast.net >

Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 1:03 PM -0400 2004-06-14, Scott R. Godin wrote:
> 
>>  It seems to me that this is an enormous amount of work to enable a
>>  mailing list for a single vhosted client (with only the possibility of
>>  the other vhosted clients using this solution for their websites).
> 
> If there's only one account on the system who is making use of
> Mailman, then there shouldn't be a problem.
> 
> You could either install Mailman under the account of the of the
> single user (assuming the hosting provider allows this), or you can
> take the risk that the single system-wide installation will only be
> used by the one customer, and that no one else will try to use the
> same installation to host another list by the same name under a
> different domain.
> 

If I were to install this for the single-user, how would it handle the
aliases file ? 




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun 15 10:10:09 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:10:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman setup for vhosts
In-Reply-To: <2254633.Y02vnSmbgs@pcp02404936pcs.univde01.de.comcast.net >
References: <A47DE4EA-BE1B-11D8-9613-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<p06002048bcf387139577@[10.0.1.3]>
	<p0600204ebcf3b0173283@[10.0.1.3]>
	<2254633.Y02vnSmbgs@pcp02404936pcs.univde01.de.comcast.net >
Message-ID: <p06002057bcf45de4e5e2@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:43 PM -0400 2004-06-14, Scott R. Godin wrote:

>  If I were to install this for the single-user, how would it handle the
>  aliases file ?

	That would depend on the type of account it is.  If it's a 
virtual machine account, then you handle it the same way you'd handle 
it on any other dedicated machine.  You just install Mailman in the 
space allocated to the user on their virtual machine.

	If the account is a virtual server account, then you will 
probably need to coordinate things with the ISP with regards to the 
aliases, etc....  They may not allow you to have your own aliases 
file, but they should be able to create sets of aliases for you based 
on what you are told by Mailman to create.  In this case, all you do 
is avoid the steps in the instructions where it tells you how to set 
things up so that the aliases are automatically created for you and 
Mailman will instead send the admin a mail message with a description 
of what aliases need to be created, and the user can forward that on 
to the virtual hosting provider.

	If the virtual hosting provider doesn't allow you to install 
software (including your own cgi programs), then you'd have to get 
them to install it for you, or move the mailing list hosting 
somewhere else that you do have sufficient control over.


	In any event, you are likely to have issues with namespace 
collisions and other users on that system.  It's just a matter of 
time, and how much work you're willing to put into things to try to 
avoid problems before they occur versus how much work you'd have to 
do once the effluent has hit the fan, and under what kind of time 
constraints, etc....

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From southen at pipeline.com  Tue Jun 15 11:30:04 2004
From: southen at pipeline.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=BDB=EE=B6?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_=A7=BA=B5th=A3=D1=BD?=)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:30:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some "Owner" emails not being received
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040615022323.02e18590@breezehosting.com>

I know this won't be the most descriptive thing in the world, but I'll give 
it my best: emails directly to, and "emergency moderation" email 
notifications of posts, don't get delivered to 
mylist-owner at mydomain.com.  I am confused because subscribing and 
unsubscribing people give me notification.  But both emergency moderation 
accept/decline posts and direct emails to that address don't work.  Does 
anyone have any idea of what the problem may be??

Thanks!!!


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From djerome at novell.com  Tue Jun 15 12:48:52 2004
From: djerome at novell.com (Jerome Dsilva)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:48:52 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding prefix to subject line
Message-ID: <s0ce8004.038@lucius.provo.novell.com>

Thanks Jim.. It worked. 
I wanted to know one more info.. 
If someone replies by changing the subject line.. then the subject line
should read like.. 
 
Re: [test] New subject [was: Re: test]... 
 
But  , in my case the prefix is not getting added 
 
Thanks 
Jerome 
 
 
>>>Jim Tittsler <jwt at onjapan.net> 06/08 1:44 pm >>> 
 
On Jun 8, 2004, at 21:34, Jerome Dsilva wrote: 
 
 
>The prefix option is enabled for the subject in mailman , but I need to

 
>add a space after the prefix.. 
 
>ie; if the prefix is [test].. the subject should read .. [test] 
 
>subject.. 
 
>Please note that there is a space in between the prefix and the 
 
>subject.. 
 
>How can I achieve this... I'm using mailman 2.0 on Suse 9.1 
 
 
You force a trailing space on the prefix by using bin/withlist to edit 
 
the configuration for your list. 
 
 
An old posting of mine explaining the steps for Mailman 2.0: 
 
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-March/004061.html 
 
 
 
-- 
 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6 
 
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/ 
 
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html 
 
 
 
------------------------------------------------------ 
 
Mailman-Users mailing list 
 
Mailman-Users at python.org 
 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users 
 
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py 
 
Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ 


From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun 15 12:12:29 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 12:12:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some "Owner" emails not being received
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20040615022323.02e18590@breezehosting.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040615022323.02e18590@breezehosting.com>
Message-ID: <p06002059bcf47bdcebf3@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:30 AM -0700 2004-06-15, ?B?? ???th??? wrote:

>  I am confused because subscribing and unsubscribing people give me
>  notification.  But both emergency moderation accept/decline posts and
>  direct emails to that address don't work.  Does anyone have any idea of
>  what the problem may be??

	Have you looked at the troubleshooting tips at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp>?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Tue Jun 15 17:56:01 2004
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:56:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing subscribers to topics
In-Reply-To: <9BE89116-BE64-11D8-9875-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
References: <40C8E1A6.70601@state.or.us>	<A54E111E-BB60-11D8-89F1-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>	<40C9E540.2080509@state.or.us>	<20040612004201.GC18129@server.onjapan.net>	<40CDE35B.2090801@state.or.us>
	<9BE89116-BE64-11D8-9875-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <40CF1C11.607@state.or.us>

Yup, that was it, a path problem.

Thanks so much for your persistence in expaining this to me. It works 
now and will be of great help in further development of our list service.

I will post something on the list that summarizes the process. It 
probably should also be posted to be included in the FAQ. How do I do that?

Christopher Adams

Jim Tittsler wrote:

> On Jun 15, 2004, at 02:41, Christopher Adams wrote:
>
>> That addtopics.py was a typo. The name of the file is addtopic.py, 
>> but when I run withlist, I get the error message that I quoted, that 
>> the addtopic module doesn't exist.
>
>
> I typically keep the *.py files I use with withlist in either the top 
> level Mailman directory (sometimes referred to as $prefix or  
> /usr/local/mailman by default) or in its bin directory.  If you put 
> addtopic.py in either of those directories, it should be found whether 
> you invoke withlist as 'bin/withlist' from the top level directory as 
> I suggested, or as './withlist' as you tried.
>
>>  Do I have to 'install' the module or something?
>
>
> No.  It just needs to be in one of the places Python searches for a 
> module.  (This search path can be seen by examining the value of 
> Python's sys.path variable.  You could stick a 'print sys.path' just 
> before the try to see the directories that will be searched for your 
> new module.)
>

-- 
Christopher Adams
Library Systems Analyst
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243 258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us






From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Tue Jun 15 13:18:49 2004
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:18:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error during update from 2.1.4 to 2.1.5
Message-ID: <20040615111849.GM32416@charite.de>

I got:

# make install
...
Updating Usenet watermarks
- nothing to update here
Updating Mailman 2.1.4 pending.pck database
WARNING: Ignoring duplicate pending ID: 36.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 780, in ?
    errors = main()
  File "bin/update", line 704, in main
    update_pending()
  File "bin/update", line 607, in update_pending
    rec = mlist.GetRecord(id)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 145, in GetRecord
    type, data = self.__db[id]
ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size
make: *** [update] Error 1

Anbody know what's going on?

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a)   Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de
Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin            Tel.  +49 (0)30-450 570-155
Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin    Fax.  +49 (0)30-450 570-916
IT-Zentrum Standort Campus Mitte                          AIM.  ralfpostfix



From worldoff9908 at sacbeemail.com  Mon Jun 14 23:34:12 2004
From: worldoff9908 at sacbeemail.com (NFN Smith)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:34:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: News -> Mail: no mail! (repost)
In-Reply-To: <569DBEFC-9FCC-11D8-A3E7-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
References: <1C0FB8BA35390514891AE70369CE17CE@worldoff9908.sacbeemail.com>
	<569DBEFC-9FCC-11D8-A3E7-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <cal5m6$lmv$1@sea.gmane.org>

After I posted my original message, I got diverted to other things, and 
am just getting back to this one.

Jim Tittsler wrote:
> 
> On May 6, 2004, at 06:40, NFN Smith wrote:
> 
>> I've checked all of my logs, including /var/log/maillog and
>> /var/log/mailman/*, and there are no updates to any of these logs
>> following gate_news runs.
> 
> 
> What about your news log files (typically in /var/log/news/*)?  Do they 
> show Mailman successfully talking to the server?
> 
> Did you try reseting the Usenet article number high water mark?  (Set 
> the "Should Mailman perform a catchup on the newsgroup?" to Yes and 
> Submit once.)
> 
> 


Yes, I just did that. From there I posted a message to a newsgroup.

I have updated entries in /var/log/news/news.notice:

 >
 > Jun 14 14:25:01 bronze nnrpd[10075]: SERVER perl filtering enabled
 > Jun 14 14:25:01 bronze nnrpd[10075]: bronze.spamtronics.com connect
 > Jun 14 14:25:01 bronze nnrpd[10075]: bronze.spamtronics.com times 
user 0.030 system 0.050 elapsed 0.014
 > Jun 14 14:27:33 bronze nnrpd[10140]: SERVER perl filtering enabled
 > Jun 14 14:27:34 bronze nnrpd[10140]: ? cant gethostbyaddr 
192.168.1.107 Unknown host -- using IP address for access
 > Jun 14 14:27:34 bronze nnrpd[10140]: 192.168.1.107 connect
 > Jun 14 14:27:34 bronze nnrpd[10140]: 192.168.1.107 group local.test1 0
 > Jun 14 14:27:34 bronze nnrpd[10140]: 192.168.1.107 group local.test2 0
 > Jun 14 14:27:37 bronze nnrpd[10140]: 192.168.1.107 group 
local.user.tech 0
 > Jun 14 14:28:09 bronze innd: localhost connected 16
 > Jun 14 14:28:09 bronze innd: ME HISstats 0 hitpos 0 hitneg 0 missed 0 dne
 > Jun 14 14:28:09 bronze nnrpd[10140]: 192.168.1.107 post ok 
<cal598$9ss$1 at bronze.spamtronics.com>
 > Jun 14 14:28:09 bronze innd: localhost:16 closed seconds 0 accepted 1 
refused 0 rejected 0 duplicate 0 accepted size 792 duplicate size 0
 > Jun 14 14:28:32 bronze nnrpd[10140]: 192.168.1.107 group 
local.user.tech 1
 > Jun 14 14:30:01 bronze nnrpd[10150]: SERVER perl filtering enabled
 > Jun 14 14:30:01 bronze nnrpd[10150]: bronze.spamtronics.com connect
 > Jun 14 14:30:01 bronze nnrpd[10150]: bronze.spamtronics.com times 
user 0.030 system 0.050 elapsed 0.019
 >

Thus, it appears that gate_news is running, but I'm still not getting 
any content back to Mail from News.

What am I missing?

Smith




From ajlewis2 at highstream.net  Tue Jun 15 19:37:32 2004
From: ajlewis2 at highstream.net (Anita Lewis)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:37:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No footer
In-Reply-To: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B0647AE@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B0647AE@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <canc10$m6m$1@sea.gmane.org>

Young, Darren wrote:
> Trying to get a footer on every mail sent to a given list's members. Added the options in the page and still they aren't added to the bottom of the member's messages. Mailman version 2.0.11.
>  
> In the "regular member (non-digest) options" section, under the "footer added to mail..." section I have:
>  
> _______________________________________________
> %(real_name)s mailing list
> %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s
> %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s
>  
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Darren Young
> Senior UNIX Administrator
> University of Chicago
> Graduate School of Business
> 

No help here.  I'm seeing the same thing with Mailman 2.1.4.  I see it 
working on another list using 2.1.5 and to me it seems to have the same 
configuration as the list on 2.1.4.

The Mailman 2.1.5 is on a webhost and 2.1.4 is on a dedicated server. 
That is the only difference I can see.

We have the same thing as you have above - the default, I think it is.

Very curious about this.

Anita




From lmark at cires.colorado.edu  Tue Jun 15 18:49:30 2004
From: lmark at cires.colorado.edu (Mark Lohaus)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:49:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I move lists from one server to another
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040615104641.04bf19e8@cires.colorado.edu>

We had about 12 lists running on a Redhat 7.1.  We are switching to a new 
Fedora Core server.  I need to transfer my lists from the old server to the 
new server.  I would like to do this in a way that I don't loose our list 
archives.
What is the proper way to migrate (move) these lists from one server to 
another.

Thanks,

Mark

Mark Lohaus
Webmaster
Center for Science and Technology Policy Research
1333 Grandview, 488 UCB
Boulder, CO  80309-0488
303-735-0493




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun 16 01:02:56 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:02:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: News -> Mail: no mail! (repost)
In-Reply-To: <cal5m6$lmv$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <1C0FB8BA35390514891AE70369CE17CE@worldoff9908.sacbeemail.com>
	<569DBEFC-9FCC-11D8-A3E7-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
	<cal5m6$lmv$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <p06002004bcf52fff24f8@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:34 PM -0700 2004-06-14, NFN Smith wrote:

>  Thus, it appears that gate_news is running, but I'm still not getting
>  any content back to Mail from News.

	Hmm.  You might want to try hooking your mailing list up to a 
different newsgroup, and trying again.  I've had good success in 
testing with misc.test.  The nice thing about this is that you'll get 
e-mail feedback from a variety of auto-responders as they see the 
article come across the wire, so you'll get confirmation that your 
post is getting out.

	You might also want to hook up a network sniffer device (or a 
program like tcpdump or snoop) on the host to watch all incoming and 
outgoing NNTP traffic between your Mailing list server and the USENET 
news server.  This way you can see the entire dialog between the 
server and client, in addition to whatever they put in the logs.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun 16 01:09:37 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:09:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No footer
In-Reply-To: <canc10$m6m$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B0647AE@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
	<canc10$m6m$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <p06002005bcf530ef5d2d@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:37 PM -0400 2004-06-15, Anita Lewis wrote:

>  Young, Darren wrote:
>>  Trying to get a footer on every mail sent to a given list's members.
>>  Added the options in the page and still they aren't added to the bottom\
>>  of the member's messages. Mailman version 2.0.11.
>>   In the "regular member (non-digest) options" section, under the
>>  "footer added to mail..." section I have:

	For Mailman 2.0.x, see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.005.htp>.

>  No help here.  I'm seeing the same thing with Mailman 2.1.4.  I see it
>  working on another list using 2.1.5 and to me it seems to have the same
>  configuration as the list on 2.1.4.

	For Mailman 2.1.x, see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun 16 01:10:40 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:10:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I move lists from one server
 to another
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040615104641.04bf19e8@cires.colorado.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040615104641.04bf19e8@cires.colorado.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002006bcf5325eb344@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:49 AM -0600 2004-06-15, Mark Lohaus wrote:

>  We had about 12 lists running on a Redhat 7.1.  We are switching to a
>  new Fedora Core server.  I need to transfer my lists from the old server
>  to the new server.  I would like to do this in a way that I don't loose
>  our list archives.

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.004.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Jun 16 01:44:14 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:44:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with HTML to text with quoted-printable
	and base64 encoding
Message-ID: <PC169320040615164414000077ac196e@msapiro>

Mailman 2.1.4
Red Hat Linux release 7.3 (Valhalla)

We are having problems with HTML to text/plan conversion. We have
applied the fix in
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg14596.html
and this fixes the problem (HTML->text/plain error: 256) discussed in
that thread.

Problems remain however. Namely, if the HTML part has
Content-Transfer-Encoding: either base64 or quoted-printable, it is
the encoded data that is passed to lynx and the result is that if it's
base64, lynx does essentially nothing and if it's quoted-printable
lynx does what it can, but some tags are munged so some stuff gets
garbled.

I couldn't find anything in the FAQ or bugs list about this.

Is there anything that can be done short of doing a decode of the
encoding before passing to lynx? Are there any patches available that
address this in that or some other way?

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan




From ajlewis2 at highstream.net  Wed Jun 16 11:34:53 2004
From: ajlewis2 at highstream.net (Anita Lewis)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:34:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No footer
In-Reply-To: <p06002005bcf530ef5d2d@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B0647AE@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
	<canc10$m6m$1@sea.gmane.org> <p06002005bcf530ef5d2d@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <40D0143D.6030200@highstream.net>

Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 1:37 PM -0400 2004-06-15, Anita Lewis wrote:
>
>>  Young, Darren wrote:
>>
>>>  Trying to get a footer on every mail sent to a given list's members.
>>>  Added the options in the page and still they aren't added to the 
>>> bottom\
>>>  of the member's messages. Mailman version 2.0.11.
>>>   In the "regular member (non-digest) options" section, under the
>>>  "footer added to mail..." section I have:
>>
>
>     For Mailman 2.0.x, see 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.005.htp>.
>
>>  No help here.  I'm seeing the same thing with Mailman 2.1.4.  I see it
>>  working on another list using 2.1.5 and to me it seems to have the same
>>  configuration as the list on 2.1.4.
>
>
>     For Mailman 2.1.x, see 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp>.
>
We are sending only text messages to the list. I don't see how this 
would apply.  We have Mailman installed on a Suse 9.1 box.  I saw a post 
about language making problems. The computer is in Germany, but the 
language for the lists is set to English.  Is there any other 
information that would be helpful on this?

Thanks,
Anita



From heiko.gerstung at meinberg.de  Wed Jun 16 11:54:24 2004
From: heiko.gerstung at meinberg.de (Heiko Gerstung)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:54:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to setup a mail-only mailing list (without web
	interface)
Message-ID: <40D018D0.6060009@meinberg.de>

Hi list!

I just installed mailman 2.1.5 in order to use it for announcements to 
our customers. Because it resides on a server not visible from outside 
our local network, I do not want to mention any link to a list web page. 
I started by removing all sorts of remarks, hints and links from the 
templates, but found out that a small header is written to the help page 
(I did not check other pages, probably there are more of them) pointing 
to the users list administration web page :

The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
original message.

[start of message]

- Results:
    You can access your personal options via the following url:
    http://gateway/cgi-bin/mailman/options/mbg-fun/hg%40testing.de

[here starts my text, taken from the template]
 

As far as I found out, this is hardcoded in the sources, so I wonder if 
there is any chance to get rid of this (without having to patch the 
source code, I would like mailman to stay upgradeable)?

Thank you very much!

Kind regards,
Heiko





From heiko.gerstung at meinberg.de  Thu Jun 17 11:37:34 2004
From: heiko.gerstung at meinberg.de (Heiko Gerstung)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:37:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Logical bug in messages?
Message-ID: <40D1665E.9000009@meinberg.de>


Hello List!

In the LC_MESSAGES for mailman there is one for the reject message that 
is sent when a non-member tries to post to a list and the posting is 
rejected automatically. In this error message the mail address of the 
list-owner (xxx-owner) is mentioned. But, regarding this owner-address, 
I read in the online documentation of the owner-suffix that this 
list-owner-address-suffix (default: -owner) is only used when  umbrella 
lists are configured. I did not do this and I do not want to.

So, my questions are:
a) why is this in the LC_MESSAGES and not a template (this is a little 
bit inconsistent)
b) why the owner-address is used no matter if there is an umbrella list 
or not? Either the online description for the owner-suffix is wrong or 
the usage of this field is wrong in that message.

I thought I can workaround this by changing the message files (.po) and 
then format them to .mo files with bin/msgfmt.py, but this only works 
for our german translation. The english messages are hardcoded in the 
sources, so I guess I have to patch the sources in order to get rid of 
this... Any comments?

A last question: Is there a bug tracking system available for mailman? 
Something where I can submit my "bugs" or feature requests?

Thank you for your time,
kind regards,
Heiko





From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 17 02:57:04 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:57:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No footer
In-Reply-To: <40D0E005.9030901@highstream.net>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B0647AE@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
	<canc10$m6m$1@sea.gmane.org> <p06002005bcf530ef5d2d@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0143D.6030200@highstream.net>
	<p0600200ebcf6139ac525@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0690D.4010709@highstream.net>
	<p06002011bcf61f0f747e@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D07180.6050700@highstream.net>
	<p06002013bcf62d29c2a1@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0E005.9030901@highstream.net>
Message-ID: <p06002020bcf69b86a0dd@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:04 PM -0400 2004-06-16, Anita Lewis wrote:

>  Current with no footer:
>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>  X-BeenThere: lb-admin at LinuxBasics.org
>  X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4
>
>  Previous with footer:
>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>  Subject: [LinuxBasics] Today's IRC-log
>  Sender: linuxbasics-admin at waidele.info
>  Errors-To: linuxbasics-admin at waidele.info
>  X-BeenThere: linuxbasics at waidele.info
>  X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13

	Weird.  If anything I would have expected that the 8-bit encoding 
and charset=windows-1252 might have caused problems for you, but 
that's from the group that used to work.

	At this point, all I can suspect is the templates for the footer.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 17 12:11:23 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:11:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Logical bug in messages?
In-Reply-To: <40D1665E.9000009@meinberg.de>
References: <40D1665E.9000009@meinberg.de>
Message-ID: <p0600202abcf71eb690a4@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:37 AM +0200 2004-06-17, Heiko Gerstung wrote:

>  A last question: Is there a bug tracking system available for mailman?
>  Something where I can submit my "bugs" or feature requests?

	See the Mailman SourceForge page at 
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun 16 17:15:15 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:15:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to setup a mail-only mailing list
	(without web 	interface)
In-Reply-To: <40D018D0.6060009@meinberg.de>
References: <40D018D0.6060009@meinberg.de>
Message-ID: <p0600200fbcf61443ecca@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:54 AM +0200 2004-06-16, Heiko Gerstung wrote:

>  As far as I found out, this is hardcoded in the sources, so I wonder if
>  there is any chance to get rid of this (without having to patch the
>  source code, I would like mailman to stay upgradeable)?

	So far as I know, if you want to remove all references to the web 
site, you'll have to make modifications to the source code.

	Out of curiosity, is this for users of the Meinberg NTP reference clocks?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From chardlist at chard.net  Wed Jun 16 15:09:53 2004
From: chardlist at chard.net (Brendan Chard)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:09:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Security Breach by spammer on one of my lists?
Message-ID: <200406161309.i5GD9qm9011730@server5.chard.net>

A message went to one of my lists last night that looked very peculiar, like
a spammer.  I'm hoping to get some input to see if it's something I should
be worried about or just a fluke.

I'm running Mailman 2.1.4 on FreeBSD with MailScanner and ClamAV

I have an unmoderated closed list with the membership list viewable by admin
only that is called "probate"

The possible offending message was from a hotmail account that is
legitimately subscribed to the list and all server logs regarding that
message appear to be legit:

The mailman post log says: (I have replaced the user with "USERNAME")

Jun 15 22:13:03 2004 (70197) post to probate from USERNAME at hotmail.com,
size=1846, message-id=<BAY22-F37cf3ednHM3S000529a4 at hotmail.com>, success

The sendmail (maillog) file says: (I have replaced the user with "USERNAME")

Jun 15 22:10:11 server2 sm-mta-in[5288]: i5G2AAhS005288:
from=<USERNAME at hotmail.com>, size=842, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<BAY22-F37cf3ednHM3S000529a4 at hotmail.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA,
relay=bay22-f37.bay22.hotmail.com [64.4.16.87]
Jun 15 22:10:11 server2 MailScanner[72190]: New Batch: Scanning 1 messages,
1390 bytes
Jun 15 22:10:11 server2 MailScanner[72190]: Spam Checks: Starting
Jun 15 22:10:11 server2 MailScanner[72190]: Virus and Content Scanning:
Starting
Jun 15 22:10:12 server2 MailScanner[72190]: Uninfected: Delivered 1 messages
Jun 15 22:10:12 server2 MailScanner[72190]: MailScanner child dying of old
age
Jun 15 22:10:13 server2 MailScanner[5459]: MailScanner E-Mail Virus Scanner
version 4.30.3 starting...
Jun 15 22:10:13 server2 sendmail[5460]: i5G2AAhS005288:
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post probate"..........

The message body itself was empty, but because hotmail advertises on their
outbound messages, it looks like an advertisement.

The subject line however is what concerns me... it says:

"get probate 123423 123355 123372 123389 123405"

I don't think it's from an actual human since it seems like a ridiculous
subject line.

I've moderated the users account until I get it figured out, but any input
as to what this actually is would be appreciated.


Thanks
-Brendan




From srainwater at ncc.com  Wed Jun 16 22:40:40 2004
From: srainwater at ncc.com (R. Steven Rainwater)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:40:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list archive template location
Message-ID: <1087418440.3698.56.camel@rodan.ncc.com>

I have a server running mailman 2.1.4 with several mailing lists. I
would like to customize the archive templates used with list-1 while
continuing to use the default archive templates with list-2, list-3,
etc.

My first attempt, after some trial and error, was to place my customized
templates in /lists/list1/en/

This works when I regerate the arhcive by running the arch program
manually - it uses the custom templates instead of the default
templates. However, as soon as a new email comes through list-1,
whatever mechanism is used internally by mailman to update the archive
uses the default templates instead of my custom templates and overwrites
the archive index with the default look again.

I can't seem to find any location for my customized templates that will
cause both arch and the mailman's automated archiving to use them.

Is it possible to customize the archive templates for a single list
without affecting other list archives and, if so, where do I put them so
they work with both arch and mailman?

-Steve




From ajlewis2 at highstream.net  Thu Jun 17 13:21:30 2004
From: ajlewis2 at highstream.net (Anita Lewis)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:21:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No footer
In-Reply-To: <p06002020bcf69b86a0dd@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B0647AE@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
	<canc10$m6m$1@sea.gmane.org> <p06002005bcf530ef5d2d@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0143D.6030200@highstream.net>
	<p0600200ebcf6139ac525@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0690D.4010709@highstream.net>
	<p06002011bcf61f0f747e@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D07180.6050700@highstream.net>
	<p06002013bcf62d29c2a1@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0E005.9030901@highstream.net>
	<p06002020bcf69b86a0dd@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <40D17EBA.5060002@highstream.net>

Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 8:04 PM -0400 2004-06-16, Anita Lewis wrote:
>
>>  Current with no footer:
>>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>>  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>  X-BeenThere: lb-admin at LinuxBasics.org
>>  X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4
>>
>>  Previous with footer:
>>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>>  Subject: [LinuxBasics] Today's IRC-log
>>  Sender: linuxbasics-admin at waidele.info
>>  Errors-To: linuxbasics-admin at waidele.info
>>  X-BeenThere: linuxbasics at waidele.info
>>  X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13
>
>
>     Weird.  If anything I would have expected that the 8-bit encoding 
> and charset=windows-1252 might have caused problems for you, but 
> that's from the group that used to work.
>
>     At this point, all I can suspect is the templates for the footer.
>
We even tried making a new list and left everything at default.  The 
footer is the default. That isn't working either.  I don't think it is 
the footer if the default doesn't work.

Could the footer be stripped out for some reason? Maybe something that 
sendmail does to it?  Also could the fact that this box has more than 
one domain on it have anything to do with this?

Anita



From heiko.gerstung at meinberg.de  Thu Jun 17 09:29:19 2004
From: heiko.gerstung at meinberg.de (Heiko Gerstung)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:29:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to setup a mail-only mailing list (without
	web 	interface)
In-Reply-To: <p0600200fbcf61443ecca@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <40D018D0.6060009@meinberg.de> <p0600200fbcf61443ecca@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <40D1484F.1090604@meinberg.de>

Hello Brad, hello Mailman users,

yes, we want to setup a mailing list where we can announce new products
as well as software/firmware updates and issue security warnings. So
this might be interesting for anyone using Meinberg reference clocks or
Meinberg LANTIME NTP servers ... We are
preparing a website relaunch (the actual Meinberg website is a little
bit rusty, but it definetely has its charm :-)) and would like to
introduce this newsletter service at this opportunity.

As far as I can see it, now all references to the web services are gone,
it seems to work fine now.

Thank you for your help!

Kind regards,
Heiko


Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 11:54 AM +0200 2004-06-16, Heiko Gerstung wrote:
>
>>  As far as I found out, this is hardcoded in the sources, so I wonder if
>>  there is any chance to get rid of this (without having to patch the
>>  source code, I would like mailman to stay upgradeable)?
>
>
>     So far as I know, if you want to remove all references to the web 
> site, you'll have to make modifications to the source code.
>
>     Out of curiosity, is this for users of the Meinberg NTP reference 
> clocks?
>





From jwt at onjapan.net  Wed Jun 16 16:36:17 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:36:17 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding prefix to subject line
In-Reply-To: <s0ce8004.038@lucius.provo.novell.com>
References: <s0ce8004.038@lucius.provo.novell.com>
Message-ID: <86C88CF5-BFA2-11D8-B194-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>


On Jun 15, 2004, at 19:48, Jerome Dsilva wrote:

> If someone replies by changing the subject line.. then the subject line
> should read like..
>
> Re: [test] New subject [was: Re: test]...
>
> But  , in my case the prefix is not getting added

I can't see why that would be happening, but I no longer have an old
2.0.x installation I can play with.  The code in the 2.0.13 version of
the process() function of Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py will not add
the prefix if it finds the prefix anywhere in the line... so the prefix
wouldn't be added if the subject were 'Re: New Subject (was: Re: [test]
blah)'  for example... but it should get added in your test case.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Jun 17 15:02:35 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:02:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list archive template location
In-Reply-To: <1087418440.3698.56.camel@rodan.ncc.com>
References: <1087418440.3698.56.camel@rodan.ncc.com>
Message-ID: <9A3418A6-C05E-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 16 Jun 2004, at 21:40, R. Steven Rainwater wrote:

> I have a server running mailman 2.1.4 with several mailing lists. I
> would like to customize the archive templates used with list-1 while
> continuing to use the default archive templates with list-2, list-3,
> etc.
>
> My first attempt, after some trial and error, was to place my 
> customized
> templates in /lists/list1/en/
>
> This works when I regerate the arhcive by running the arch program
> manually - it uses the custom templates instead of the default
> templates. However, as soon as a new email comes through list-1,
> whatever mechanism is used internally by mailman to update the archive
> uses the default templates instead of my custom templates and 
> overwrites
> the archive index with the default look again.
>
> I can't seem to find any location for my customized templates that will
> cause both arch and the mailman's automated archiving to use them.
>

For performance reasons, templates are cached in memory by executing 
runners, such as the archive runner.

If you change templates or add new per-list templates, for instance, 
you have to run mailmanctl -restart to get the qrunner to restart so 
that it will rebuild its template cache and in the process pick up new 
or changed templates.

Because /bin/arch always starts with its own empty template cache each 
time it runs you see the effects you noted.


> Is it possible to customize the archive templates for a single list
> without affecting other list archives and, if so, where do I put them 
> so
> they work with both arch and mailman?
>
> -Steve
>




From chardlist at chard.net  Thu Jun 17 14:17:51 2004
From: chardlist at chard.net (Brendan Chard)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:17:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] **Nevermind*** Security Breach by spammer on one
	of my lists?
In-Reply-To: <200406161309.i5GD9qm9011730@server5.chard.net>
Message-ID: <200406171217.i5HCHlOJ038751@server5.chard.net>

Turns out that this was a completely valid message.  I recently took over
this list from a host that was using Lyris.  This user was receiving lyris
messages in "Index Digest" format and he was attempting to retreive the full
messages from a previous lyris index by using the "Get" command but
accidentally sent the command to the new mailman list.

Live and learn,

-Brendan

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Brendan Chard
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:10 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Security Breach by spammer on one of my lists?

A message went to one of my lists last night that looked very peculiar, like
a spammer.  I'm hoping to get some input to see if it's something I should
be worried about or just a fluke.

I'm running Mailman 2.1.4 on FreeBSD with MailScanner and ClamAV

I have an unmoderated closed list with the membership list viewable by admin
only that is called "probate"

The possible offending message was from a hotmail account that is
legitimately subscribed to the list and all server logs regarding that
message appear to be legit:

The mailman post log says: (I have replaced the user with "USERNAME")

Jun 15 22:13:03 2004 (70197) post to probate from USERNAME at hotmail.com,
size=1846, message-id=<BAY22-F37cf3ednHM3S000529a4 at hotmail.com>, success

The sendmail (maillog) file says: (I have replaced the user with "USERNAME")

Jun 15 22:10:11 server2 sm-mta-in[5288]: i5G2AAhS005288:
from=<USERNAME at hotmail.com>, size=842, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<BAY22-F37cf3ednHM3S000529a4 at hotmail.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA,
relay=bay22-f37.bay22.hotmail.com [64.4.16.87]
Jun 15 22:10:11 server2 MailScanner[72190]: New Batch: Scanning 1 messages,
1390 bytes
Jun 15 22:10:11 server2 MailScanner[72190]: Spam Checks: Starting
Jun 15 22:10:11 server2 MailScanner[72190]: Virus and Content Scanning:
Starting
Jun 15 22:10:12 server2 MailScanner[72190]: Uninfected: Delivered 1 messages
Jun 15 22:10:12 server2 MailScanner[72190]: MailScanner child dying of old
age
Jun 15 22:10:13 server2 MailScanner[5459]: MailScanner E-Mail Virus Scanner
version 4.30.3 starting...
Jun 15 22:10:13 server2 sendmail[5460]: i5G2AAhS005288:
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post probate"..........

The message body itself was empty, but because hotmail advertises on their
outbound messages, it looks like an advertisement.

The subject line however is what concerns me... it says:

"get probate 123423 123355 123372 123389 123405"

I don't think it's from an actual human since it seems like a ridiculous
subject line.

I've moderated the users account until I get it figured out, but any input
as to what this actually is would be appreciated.


Thanks
-Brendan


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From srb at umich.edu  Thu Jun 17 16:18:35 2004
From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:18:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange looping notification
Message-ID: <3FC79013B570BF5B121F63CB@[192.168.1.100]>

We have a list that's acting up, and I'm hoping that the assembled wisdom 
can help me figure out what's going on.

Mailman 2.1.4 running on Solaris.  The Web server and the various Mailman 
qrunners run on one machine, the mail server is a different machine.  The 
mailman directory is cross-mounted via NFS so that both machines can see 
it.

(Now that I think about it, I can't remember why it's set up this way -- I 
didn't do the initial Mailman 2.0.x install, and just followed that pattern 
when upgrading to Mailman 2.1.4.  Is there any reason that I should think 
about moving the qrunners to run on the mail server?  Things *do* seem to 
be working...)

Anyway, on the strange behavior...

We have a list where all the members are moderated, so that all postings 
have to be approved before they are distributed.  We recently started 
running BrightMail to filter out SPAM, and added a SPAM filter to the 
list's configuration, with an action of "hold".  What happens now is that a 
piece of mail comes in to the list, BrightMail flags it as SPAM, Mailman's 
SPAM filter matches and holds the message, mail is sent to the moderators 
notifying them of the held message, and then Mailman begins talking to 
itself.  That is, there's an endless series of messages, sent from the 
"listname-owner" address *to* the "listname-owner" address, each attaching 
all the previous messages -- one of the notifications I got had 39 parts, 
where each part seemed to include all the previous notifications.  On the 
Mailman "admindb" page for the list

I'm having a difficult time:

    a) Figuring out why this is happening
    b) Even describing it rationally

I've changed the action for the SPAM filter to "discard", to see whether 
there's some confusion going on between the "hold for moderation" and the 
"hold because it matched a SPAM filter".

Any advice gratefully accepted...

-- 
Steve Burling                                    <mailto:srb at umich.edu>
University of Michigan, ICPSR                    Voice: +1 734 615.3779
330 Packard Street                               FAX:   +1 734 647.8700
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Thu Jun 17 13:09:33 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:09:33 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Security Breach by spammer on one of my lists?
In-Reply-To: <200406161309.i5GD9qm9011730@server5.chard.net>
References: <200406161309.i5GD9qm9011730@server5.chard.net>
Message-ID: <40D17BED.4000500@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

Brendan Chard wrote:

> A message went to one of my lists last night that looked very peculiar, like
> a spammer.  I'm hoping to get some input to see if it's something I should
> be worried about or just a fluke.
> 

> 
> The subject line however is what concerns me... it says:
> 
> "get probate 123423 123355 123372 123389 123405"
> 

It looks like he wanted to get old (numbered) messages from majordomo
archive. He should have sent to majordomo at your.dom.ain though ;-)


-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/





From ajlewis2 at highstream.net  Wed Jun 16 17:38:35 2004
From: ajlewis2 at highstream.net (Anita Lewis)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:38:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No footer
In-Reply-To: <p0600200ebcf6139ac525@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B0647AE@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
	<canc10$m6m$1@sea.gmane.org> <p06002005bcf530ef5d2d@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0143D.6030200@highstream.net>
	<p0600200ebcf6139ac525@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <40D0697B.7020106@highstream.net>

Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 5:34 AM -0400 2004-06-16, Anita Lewis wrote:
>
>>  We are sending only text messages to the list. I don't see how this
>>  would apply.  We have Mailman installed on a Suse 9.1 box.  I saw a 
>> post
>>  about language making problems. The computer is in Germany, but the
>>  language for the lists is set to English.  Is there any other 
>> information
>>  that would be helpful on this?
>
>
>     The messages may appear to be plain text, but they may be sent in 
> a MIME bodypart type that makes it difficult to handle them well. This 
> is especially likely if you have overseas clients sending e-mail to a 
> mailing list hosted in English.  In this case, this is a problem with 
> MIME, not HTML.
>
>     To be certain as to what is going on, we'd need to see complete 
> copies of sample e-mail messages that go through okay as compared to 
> messages that fail, with all headers intact, etc....
>
All messages fail to have footers.  There have been posts coming from
the US and from Germany.  3 of us have been posting to other email lists
where the footers appear.  But I hear you on the MIME problem.  I can
only provide you with a sample failed message with headers.  I will
attach a sample of one of the emails. I created it by saving as text so
that all the headers are there.  Is this OK? I apologize if sending to 
the list and to you personally is a problem.  I will send only to the 
list if that is preferred.

Thanks for the help.

Anita

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From joe.burkhart at tdhca.state.tx.us  Wed Jun 16 14:59:42 2004
From: joe.burkhart at tdhca.state.tx.us (Joe Burkhart)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:59:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using topics vs. Additional Lists
Message-ID: <90421FFF1620884A8C80ED53D89843691C5C7A@taz.tdhca.state.tx.us>

First, we're planning a one-way list that our organization will use to send
updates and news to subscribers and not accept postings from members. We
have several categories of messages that may be sent out depending on the
program the message pertains to.  We're weighing the benefits of using one
main list with different topics setup for each category against using
separate lists for each category. Does anyone have an opinion about using
topics instead of creating separate lists in our  situation?

Second, one major disadvantage I can see in using topics is that as the
admin, you can't see which topics a member has selected to receive. So,
there's no way to judge the effectiveness/popularity of your topics. Is
there some way to see this?

Thanks,

Joe



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 17 18:51:56 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:51:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No footer
In-Reply-To: <40D1C426.6030707@highstream.net>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B0647AE@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
	<canc10$m6m$1@sea.gmane.org> <p06002005bcf530ef5d2d@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0143D.6030200@highstream.net>
	<p0600200ebcf6139ac525@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0690D.4010709@highstream.net>
	<p06002011bcf61f0f747e@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D07180.6050700@highstream.net>
	<p06002013bcf62d29c2a1@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0E005.9030901@highstream.net>
	<p06002020bcf69b86a0dd@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D17EBA.5060002@highstream.net>
	<p0600202ebcf76875d987@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D1C426.6030707@highstream.net>
Message-ID: <p0600202fbcf77c487f23@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:17 PM -0400 2004-06-17, Anita Lewis wrote:

>  I don't have root privilege on the server.  The person who does made
>  the new list.  Are you saying that after making a new list, the admin
>  needs to run the mailman script in the init directory with 'restart'?

	No, but if you've made any changes to any of the templates, then 
you need to stop and restart mailman (using mailmanctl, or the 
vendor-provided script that calls mailmanctl).

>  I was wrong here - the server is using postfix, but I assume that would
>  be similar in function to endmail.  I'll check, but don't think there
>  is anything else processing mail.

	Yeah, postfix would function the same way, at this level.

>  Thanks.  I'll have to wait until tomorrow when I can confer with the
>  admin of the server.

	Sorry I'm not able to be more helpful.  I'm just out of ideas of 
things to look at or try.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun 16 17:13:41 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:13:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No footer
In-Reply-To: <40D0143D.6030200@highstream.net>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B0647AE@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
	<canc10$m6m$1@sea.gmane.org> <p06002005bcf530ef5d2d@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0143D.6030200@highstream.net>
Message-ID: <p0600200ebcf6139ac525@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:34 AM -0400 2004-06-16, Anita Lewis wrote:

>  We are sending only text messages to the list. I don't see how this
>  would apply.  We have Mailman installed on a Suse 9.1 box.  I saw a post
>  about language making problems. The computer is in Germany, but the
>  language for the lists is set to English.  Is there any other information
>  that would be helpful on this?

	The messages may appear to be plain text, but they may be sent in 
a MIME bodypart type that makes it difficult to handle them well. 
This is especially likely if you have overseas clients sending e-mail 
to a mailing list hosted in English.  In this case, this is a problem 
with MIME, not HTML.

	To be certain as to what is going on, we'd need to see complete 
copies of sample e-mail messages that go through okay as compared to 
messages that fail, with all headers intact, etc....

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From ajlewis2 at highstream.net  Thu Jun 17 02:04:21 2004
From: ajlewis2 at highstream.net (Anita Lewis)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:04:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No footer
In-Reply-To: <p06002013bcf62d29c2a1@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B0647AE@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
	<canc10$m6m$1@sea.gmane.org> <p06002005bcf530ef5d2d@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0143D.6030200@highstream.net>
	<p0600200ebcf6139ac525@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0690D.4010709@highstream.net>
	<p06002011bcf61f0f747e@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D07180.6050700@highstream.net>
	<p06002013bcf62d29c2a1@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <40D0E005.9030901@highstream.net>

Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 12:12 PM -0400 2004-06-16, Anita Lewis wrote:
>
>>  They are on a webhost - complete different server and domain. Ours is
>>  on a dedicated server that one of us has root access to.  I just 
>> mention
>>  about our posting to the other lists, because it shows that our emails
>>  are not the problem.
>
>
>     Yes, but those other lists might have different configurations. 
> They might have had their software customized to deal better with such 
> issues.  There's no way of telling what the similarities and 
> differences are, unless you control all of the systems in question and 
> you can give exhaustive documentation on each minute detail.
>
We changed servers and got a domain a while back.  Previously we had 
Suse 9.0 and mailman 2.0.13.  I looked at our emails on the list back 
then and we had footers.  I compared the headers just now and I see a 
difference in a couple of places.  I'll copy both sets below, but here 
is what stands out to me.  Could this be the difference?  ...Anita

Current with no footer:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-BeenThere: lb-admin at LinuxBasics.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4

Previous with footer:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Subject: [LinuxBasics] Today's IRC-log
Sender: linuxbasics-admin at waidele.info
Errors-To: linuxbasics-admin at waidele.info
X-BeenThere: linuxbasics at waidele.info
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13

====================Complete 2.0.13================
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 17 22:26:11 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:26:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange looping notification
In-Reply-To: <3FC79013B570BF5B121F63CB@[192.168.1.100]>
References: <3FC79013B570BF5B121F63CB@[192.168.1.100]>
Message-ID: <p06002030bcf7ae3a33c9@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:18 AM -0400 2004-06-17, Steve Burling wrote:

>  (Now that I think about it, I can't remember why it's set up this way --
>  I didn't do the initial Mailman 2.0.x install, and just followed that
>  pattern when upgrading to Mailman 2.1.4.  Is there any reason that I
>  should think about moving the qrunners to run on the mail server?  Things
>  *do* seem to be working...)

	One typical problem with doing anything on NFS is file locking -- 
anywhere from locks not working that should (potentially resulting in 
duplicate messages), locks being left around that shouldn't, etc.... 
You may be able to work around this when it comes to things like user 
mailboxes, but it is generally a really, really bad idea to try to 
put filesystems on NFS which will be used for any kind of queueing.

	To be honest, I wouldn't want to try any further debugging on a 
system like this until the NFS mounting/locking issue is resolved. 
This may or may not be the cause of all your problems, but until this 
is out of the way, it is likely to be difficult to impossible to 
figure out what the real problem may be.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From parris at isciences.com  Fri Jun 18 19:04:06 2004
From: parris at isciences.com (Thomas M. Parris)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:04:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] minor bug in ScriptURL?
Message-ID: <ABEMIBBGEEMDKKLMMPHLOEBEJBAB.parris@isciences.com>

Dear mailmaners:

If I'm not mistaken, there is a minor bug in ScriptURL (un Utils.py) below.

def ScriptURL(target, web_page_url=None, absolute=False):
    """target - scriptname only, nothing extra
    web_page_url - the list's configvar of the same name
    absolute - a flag which if set, generates an absolute url
    """
    if web_page_url is None:
        web_page_url = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN % get_domain()

Shouldn't the last line be

	web_page_url = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN % mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_HOST


-- Tom




From mailinglists at unix-scripts.com  Fri Jun 18 21:47:54 2004
From: mailinglists at unix-scripts.com (Shaun)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:47:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export Users List to flatfile?
Message-ID: <cavgu7$dv8$1@sea.gmane.org>

This may be a newbie question and discussed many times before but I didn't
have much luck finding a answer.

I need to export a mailman list to a flatfile, is it possible to do this?

Also

If I ever needed to restore it how would I go about doing that?

--
~Shaun






From robson_oliverra at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 17 20:25:44 2004
From: robson_oliverra at hotmail.com (Robson Oliveira)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:25:44 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman
Message-ID: <BAY12-DAV54Onnhqa0Q0003645f@hotmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm trying to begin a new list on a new installation from Mailman and I'm having problems to Post and archive the messages. Please, follow the error message below.

Thank you very much.
Robson


Mandrake 10.0/Mailman 2.1.2/Postifix

<brv6tf at mail.br.ipv6tf.org>:
Sorry, I wasn't able to establish an SMTP connection. (#4.4.1)
I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long.

--- Enclosed are the original headers of the message.




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Thu Jun 17 13:12:43 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:12:43 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Logical bug in messages?
In-Reply-To: <40D1665E.9000009@meinberg.de>
References: <40D1665E.9000009@meinberg.de>
Message-ID: <40D17CAB.1060006@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

Heiko Gerstung wrote:

> 

> b) why the owner-address is used no matter if there is an umbrella list 
> or not? Either the online description for the owner-suffix is wrong or 
> the usage of this field is wrong in that message.

-owner address is meant to the person who owns and manages the list.

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 17 17:27:19 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:27:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No footer
In-Reply-To: <40D17EBA.5060002@highstream.net>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B0647AE@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
	<canc10$m6m$1@sea.gmane.org> <p06002005bcf530ef5d2d@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0143D.6030200@highstream.net>
	<p0600200ebcf6139ac525@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0690D.4010709@highstream.net>
	<p06002011bcf61f0f747e@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D07180.6050700@highstream.net>
	<p06002013bcf62d29c2a1@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0E005.9030901@highstream.net>
	<p06002020bcf69b86a0dd@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D17EBA.5060002@highstream.net>
Message-ID: <p0600202ebcf76875d987@[10.0.1.3]>

At 7:21 AM -0400 2004-06-17, Anita Lewis wrote:

>  We even tried making a new list and left everything at default.  The
>  footer is the default. That isn't working either.  I don't think it is
>  the footer if the default doesn't work.

	Hmm.  Did you stop and restart mailman after making changes?

>  Could the footer be stripped out for some reason? Maybe something that
>  sendmail does to it?

	Sendmail shouldn't be doing anything of this sort, but if you're 
using a tool like MIMEDefang, an anti-virus scanner, an anti-spam 
processing engine, or anything else other than plain-jane sendmail 
during the processing of messages, that might.

>                        Also could the fact that this box has more than
>  one domain on it have anything to do with this?

	Dunno.  I wouldn't think so.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in  Fri Jun 18 05:42:45 2004
From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:12:45 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman wihout web interface
Message-ID: <43202.195.212.28.100.1087530165.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>

hello,

I am new to mailman. I am about to install and test it. Can anyone tell me
if following is possible.

1. I want all administration from command line. Becoz due to some
restrictions I cannot have apache or web access to the server.

2. I want to manage list users on my own. I don't want users to
auto-subscribe or unsubscribe on their own.

3. I want the mailing list to be accessible only to the members and not
others.

Please suggest any soultions if you have.

TIA

--yogesh



From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Fri Jun 18 01:33:16 2004
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:33:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using topics vs. Additional Lists
In-Reply-To: <90421FFF1620884A8C80ED53D89843691C5C7A@taz.tdhca.state.tx.us>
References: <90421FFF1620884A8C80ED53D89843691C5C7A@taz.tdhca.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <40D22A3C.50208@state.or.us>

I would say that the main advantage to topics is that the list admin 
only has to maintain one list. Also, the subscribers can opt to receive 
only information defined by topic, or others not defined by any topic.

If you want to check the topics for a particular subscriber, you can 
enter their email address in the user page and see the topics. However, 
you would only be able to do this for each subscriber.

-- 
Christopher Adams




Joe Burkhart wrote:

>First, we're planning a one-way list that our organization will use to send
>updates and news to subscribers and not accept postings from members. We
>have several categories of messages that may be sent out depending on the
>program the message pertains to.  We're weighing the benefits of using one
>main list with different topics setup for each category against using
>separate lists for each category. Does anyone have an opinion about using
>topics instead of creating separate lists in our  situation?
>
>Second, one major disadvantage I can see in using topics is that as the
>admin, you can't see which topics a member has selected to receive. So,
>there's no way to judge the effectiveness/popularity of your topics. Is
>there some way to see this?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Joe
>
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>  
>






From vmscons at eth.net  Sat Jun 19 07:19:49 2004
From: vmscons at eth.net (Bhavin Shah)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:49:49 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DHow to delete messages
Message-ID: <004101c455bd$0b810040$1964a8c0@bhavin>

Dear sir,

PLease let us know how to delete the already archived messages on the website.

Regards,

Bhavin

From ronj at san.rr.com  Thu Jun 17 01:21:21 2004
From: ronj at san.rr.com (Ron Jaenisch)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:21:21 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderate- finding
References: <40D018D0.6060009@meinberg.de>
Message-ID: <40D0D5F1.000011.00760@REINHART-SEMKYB>

 
I must be missing something
I am testing it out
set it up and put 2 addresses with moderate checked
when email goes out from no moderated no problem
but I still have not been able to moderate the other mail
The mailing address that I have in the admin and moderator is new
and it does not say owner on it. I have checked the catch all email address
on the site.

There's got to be someplace else..........where?

Thanks
Ron
 
 
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From jwt at onjapan.net  Sat Jun 19 08:13:50 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:13:50 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list archive template location
In-Reply-To: <1087418440.3698.56.camel@rodan.ncc.com>
References: <1087418440.3698.56.camel@rodan.ncc.com>
Message-ID: <D50E3886-C1B7-11D8-A67E-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

On Jun 17, 2004, at 05:40, R. Steven Rainwater wrote:

> My first attempt, after some trial and error, was to place my 
> customized
> templates in /lists/list1/en/
>
> This works when I regerate the arhcive by running the arch program
> manually - it uses the custom templates instead of the default
> templates. However, as soon as a new email comes through list-1,
> whatever mechanism is used internally by mailman to update the archive
> uses the default templates instead of my custom templates and 
> overwrites

Did you restart mailman after changing the custom templates?

-- 
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From ajlewis2 at highstream.net  Thu Jun 17 18:17:42 2004
From: ajlewis2 at highstream.net (Anita Lewis)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:17:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No footer
In-Reply-To: <p0600202ebcf76875d987@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B0647AE@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
	<canc10$m6m$1@sea.gmane.org> <p06002005bcf530ef5d2d@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0143D.6030200@highstream.net>
	<p0600200ebcf6139ac525@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0690D.4010709@highstream.net>
	<p06002011bcf61f0f747e@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D07180.6050700@highstream.net>
	<p06002013bcf62d29c2a1@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0E005.9030901@highstream.net>
	<p06002020bcf69b86a0dd@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D17EBA.5060002@highstream.net>
	<p0600202ebcf76875d987@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <40D1C426.6030707@highstream.net>

Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 7:21 AM -0400 2004-06-17, Anita Lewis wrote:
>
>>  We even tried making a new list and left everything at default.  The
>>  footer is the default. That isn't working either.  I don't think it is
>>  the footer if the default doesn't work.
>
>
>     Hmm.  Did you stop and restart mailman after making changes?
>

I don't have root privilege on the server.  The person who does made the 
new list.  Are you saying that after making a new list, the admin needs 
to run the mailman script in the init directory with 'restart'?

>>  Could the footer be stripped out for some reason? Maybe something that
>>  sendmail does to it?
>
>
>     Sendmail shouldn't be doing anything of this sort, but if you're 
> using a tool like MIMEDefang, an anti-virus scanner, an anti-spam 
> processing engine, or anything else other than plain-jane sendmail 
> during the processing of messages, that might.
>
I was wrong here - the server is using postfix, but I assume that would 
be similar in function to endmail.  I'll check, but don't think there is 
anything else processing mail.

Thanks.  I'll have to wait until tomorrow when I can confer with the 
admin of the server.

Anita



From edg at greenberg.org  Sat Jun 19 16:45:53 2004
From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:45:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please review this procedure for sendmail
	integration
Message-ID: <3E7DEED5DAB63B5F24255FF8@[192.168.1.99]>

Since many people cannot use David Champion's mm-handler due to shared use 
of domains, I've worked this up. I'd appreciate some constructive comments, 
yea or nay, on this procedure.

Using the postfix MTA functionality to do automatic sendmail alias handling
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

In order to add a list to mailman on a sendmail based system, you need to
add a bunch of aliases for that list to the alias file. In this 
customization,
we implement a second alias file and teach sendmail about it.

We use a mailman feature that was designed for the postfix mail program - a 
replacement for sendmail.  This feature creates /home/mailman/data/aliases

1. We have a script that will copy the alias file and then process it. We 
need to do this
since sendmail doesn't like alias files to be in directories that don't 
meet very
specific permission requirements.  /home/mailman/data doesn't meet this 
requirement. Our script will copy the alias file from /home/mailman/data to 
/etc. It uses a different name in order not to clash with the existing 
/etc/aliases

Create /usr/local/sbin/mailman.aliases with these commands:

/bin/cp /home/mailman/data/aliases /etc/mailman.aliases
/usr/bin/newaliases

2. We have to tell mailman that it is using postfix. We lie.

Add these to mm_cfg.py:

MTA='Postfix'
POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/bin/sudo /usr/local/sbin/mailman.aliases'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = []

3. We have to tell sendmail about the new alias file.

in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc find this line:
define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases')dnl
and change it to:
define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases,/etc/mailman.aliases')dnl
Run a make (or otherwise refresh sendmail.cf and then restart sendmail

Now when we run newaliases, it will rebuild both alias files.

4. We need permission for apache and mailman to run our script from step 1.

In the /etc/sudoers file (use the command /usr/sbin/visudo) we need two 
lines:
apache ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/local/sbin/mailman.aliases
mailman ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/local/sbin/mailman.aliases

Note that your web server may not run as 'apache' It may run as 'www' or 
'nobody'.
Whatever it runs as is what you need where it says apache.


5. As mailman, run /home/mailman/bin/genaliases
Check for a file /home/mailman/data/aliases and
also TWO files /etc/mailman.aliases and /etc/mailman.aliases.db

6. Test creating a list using /home/mailman/bin/newlist
Check for the appearance of aliases for that list in /etc/mailman.aliases
Add some users and test the list

7. Test for creating a list using http://domain.com/mailman/create
Check for the appearance of aliases for that list in /etc/mailman.aliases
Add some users and test the list

Ed Greenberg
edg at greenberg.org
6/19/2004



From St.Waidele at LinuxBasics.org  Sat Jun 19 21:24:52 2004
From: St.Waidele at LinuxBasics.org (Stefan Waidele jun.)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 21:24:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No footer
In-Reply-To: <p0600202fbcf77c487f23@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B0647AE@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>	<canc10$m6m$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<p06002005bcf530ef5d2d@[10.0.1.3]>	<40D0143D.6030200@highstream.net>	<p0600200ebcf6139ac525@[10.0.1.3]>	<40D0690D.4010709@highstream.net>	<p06002011bcf61f0f747e@[10.0.1.3]>	<40D07180.6050700@highstream.net>	<p06002013bcf62d29c2a1@[10.0.1.3]>	<40D0E005.9030901@highstream.net>	<p06002020bcf69b86a0dd@[10.0.1.3]>	<40D17EBA.5060002@highstream.net>	<p0600202ebcf76875d987@[10.0.1.3]>	<40D1C426.6030707@highstream.net>
	<p0600202fbcf77c487f23@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <cb23sh$kol$1@sea.gmane.org>

Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 12:17 PM -0400 2004-06-17, Anita Lewis wrote:
> 
>>  I don't have root privilege on the server.  The person who does made
>>  the new list. 

I am that person. Hi I'm Stefan :)

You suggested (in a PM to Anita, I think) that we add more logging into 
.../Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py like this:

syslog('error', 'can't add footer because xxx')

Well I did so in several places, even outside of conditions, just so I 
could see that Decorate.py is called.

It is not.

A 'grep Decorate /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers' only gave SMTPDirect.py 
as files calling Decorate.py.

Since we were not able to use SMTPDirect.py because the server only 
accepts authenticated smtp-connections, which do not seem to work with 
SMTPDirect.py

So, against the warning in Sendmail.py, we are using that handler for 
sending mail.
I have inserted the call to Decorate.py I saw in SMTPDirect.py where I 
thought it would be appropriate, but with no success.

I have not much knowledge in python. I renamed the Sendmail.pyc so the 
new source would be compiled.
While the list still works, there is no new compiled version in the 
directory. Strange.

I would be very thankful for any clues,

Stefan




From fholson at cohousing.org  Sun Jun 20 15:37:58 2004
From: fholson at cohousing.org (Fred H Olson)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:37:58 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using topics vs. Additional Lists
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1040620080225.20373A-100000@foshay>

Joe Burkhart wrote on Fri, 18 Jun 2004:

> First, we're planning a one-way list that our organization will use to 
> send updates and news to subscribers and not accept postings from 
> members.  We have several categories of messages that may be sent out
> depending on the program the message pertains to.  We're weighing the
> benefits of using one main list with different topics setup for each
> category against using separate lists for each category. Does anyone
> have an opinion about using topics instead of creating separate lists 
> in our situation? 

> Second, one major disadvantage I can see in using topics is that as the
> admin, you can't see which topics a member has selected to receive. So,
> there's no way to judge the effectiveness/popularity of your topics. Is
> there some way to see this?

Joe, I've pondered this also.  I've considered trying to combine an
announcment list with discussion list (for those who are more interested
in the topic).  In this case it would be nice to have the announcement
topic be the default or have new subs have the option to check a box for
announce vs all messages.  Anyone figure out a way to to change the
Info page to do this? ** Also as list manager without mailman admin
access (command line) archiving and uploading topic preferences would be
nice.  (Actually archive / uploading subs with complete option (digest/
nomail etc) would be very nice.

Does anyone know of examples of public lists that use topics at all
extensively (even non Mailman)?  I've had difficulty getting experience
with them.

** I have put some mailman forms on private web pages that lead me to
think it might be possible.  I have a page with the request form for a
list of subscribers (from bottom of Info pages) for multiple lists.  My
page supplies the admin email addr and passwords.  I also have a page with
multiple list forms to supply admin password and go directly to the list's
member maintenance (or rejects) pages which are used often. I'm only
moderately skilled with html so this was developed with trial and error.

Fred H Olson ( Direct copy of replies appreciated; I'm a no mail mode 
               subscriber and read archives periodically) 

PS I am very pleased with Mailman service at http://www.tigertech.net --
20 lists as part of $75/year package, Web based list creation forms,
Mhonarc list archives (instead of Pipermail) with search tool.  Also
great, prompt email based support.  (I have no financial interest in
Tigertech tho I've offered to invest and been declined :) 


--
Fred H. Olson  Minneapolis,MN 55411  USA        (near north Mpls)
Communications for Justice - My new listserv org.       UU, Linux
My Link Page: http://fholson.cohousing.org       Ham radio:WB0YQM
fholson at cohousing.org   612-588-9532   (7am-10pm Central time)





From jaymz at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jun 21 07:23:59 2004
From: jaymz at bigpond.net.au (James Sinnamon)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:23:59 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: "Site list for mailman (usually named mailman)
	missing"
In-Reply-To: <200406201924.54747.sinnamon@westnet.com.au>
References: <200406201924.54747.sinnamon@westnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <200406211523.59480.jaymz@bigpond.net.au>

Dear mailmen and mailwomen,

I am a mailman site-administrator newby, although I have been the
owner of various mailman lists for a few years now. 

I have got postfix working on a Debian sarge/testing Linux system.

I have configured mailman according to the comments in  
postfix-to-mailman.py.

When I try to start mailman :

  greenhouse:/etc/init.d# ./mailman start

I get the message:

  Site list for mailman (usually named mailman) missing
  Please create it; until then, mailman will refuse to start

What's it referring to?  (I checked out list_lists which indirectly
causes this message, but it is not clear to which file it is 
referring.  Pehaps I need to use a good Python IDE to help me 
navigate through the code.  Any suggestions?)

Also the log /var/log/mailman/error give the messages:

Jun 21 13:55:40 2004 mailmanctl(2089): PID unreadable in: 
/var/run/mailman/mailman.pid
Jun 21 13:55:40 2004 mailmanctl(2089): [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/var/run/mailman/mailman.pid'
Jun 21 13:55:40 2004 mailmanctl(2089): Is qrunner even running?

... are these the effects of the first problem, or are they its cause?

TIA

James
-- 
James Sinnamon
jaymz at bigpond net auStralia
+61 412 319669, +61 2 95692123




From djerome at novell.com  Mon Jun 21 09:32:03 2004
From: djerome at novell.com (Jerome Dsilva)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:32:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding prefix to subject line
Message-ID: <s0d63c82.004@lucius.provo.novell.com>

Thanks Jim.. I will add this to the wishlist is possible.

Thanks
Jerome

Jerome D'silva
>>> Jim Tittsler <jwt at onjapan.net> 06/16/04 20:06 PM >>>

On Jun 15, 2004, at 19:48, Jerome Dsilva wrote:

> If someone replies by changing the subject line.. then the subject
line
> should read like..
>
> Re: [test] New subject [was: Re: test]...
>
> But  , in my case the prefix is not getting added

I can't see why that would be happening, but I no longer have an old
2.0.x installation I can play with.  The code in the 2.0.13 version of
the process() function of Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py will not add
the prefix if it finds the prefix anywhere in the line... so the prefix
wouldn't be added if the subject were 'Re: New Subject (was: Re: [test]
blah)'  for example... but it should get added in your test case.

-- 
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From vmscons at eth.net  Mon Jun 21 10:47:51 2004
From: vmscons at eth.net (Bhavin Shah)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:17:51 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Version
Message-ID: <004101c4576c$6fb601e0$1964a8c0@bhavin>

To,

Mailman

We are using version 2.1.5 of mailman. Please, let us know that which is the latest version of the Milman

Regards,

Bhavin

From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in  Mon Jun 21 14:49:48 2004
From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:19:48 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman control on message rate ??
Message-ID: <15218.195.212.28.100.1087822188.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>

hi,

I am trying to configure Mailman with postfix server. All my users
currently reside on a mainframe while the main mail relays runs on postfix
(Linux). We are about to migrate Mainframe to some other system. So we
wish to move the mailing list on Mainframe to the postfix server first.

Since there are lists with large number of members,  I want to control the
flow of messages (rather rate of messages) which will be flowing from
Mailman to Postfix. I run the list via a separate virtual domain. Now
suppose I have 5000 members on one list and I want 20 mails to be sent per
second when a post expands from mailman. Also,I want to keep other mails
flowing through postfix unaffected.

Is it possible to do it ? If yes, where is it possible to pput such a
control ?? Postfix or mailman?

Please advice

--yogesh



From mailinglists at unix-scripts.com  Mon Jun 21 21:54:44 2004
From: mailinglists at unix-scripts.com (Shaun)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:54:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting list users to a flat file
Message-ID: <cb7eil$6t6$1@sea.gmane.org>

How can i export the list users to a flatfile?


--
~Shaun






From chardlist at chard.net  Tue Jun 22 02:34:44 2004
From: chardlist at chard.net (Brendan Chard)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:34:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is the python string for the user's real name?
Message-ID: <200406220034.i5M0YWVu023260@server5.chard.net>

What is the python string for the user's real name?

I'd like to customize the "subauth.txt" template to include the potential
subscribers name in addition to their e-mail address so that it reads:

-------------------------
Your authorization is required for a mailing list subscription request
approval:

    For:  email at address.com (User's Real Name)
    List: listname

At your convenience, visit:

    http://linkgoeshere.com


to process the request.
--------------------------

Thanks as always,
-Brendan






From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun 22 16:20:07 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:20:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list problems?
Message-ID: <p06002049bcfdf00c9b61@[10.0.1.3]>

Folks,

	It's been a little while since I've gotten anything from the 
list, and it appears some messages have shown up in the archives that 
I haven't seen.  I'm checking my subscription now, but I'm wondering 
if anyone else has seen any problems on the list?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From yorkb at NKU.EDU  Tue Jun 22 16:58:35 2004
From: yorkb at NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:58:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Systemwide max message size
Message-ID: <200406221058.36044.yorkb@nku.edu>

Is their an option to set a systemwide max message size so keep list admins 
from setting the max message size as high as they want. If not what would be 
a solution to keep large messages from going through the system. MTA is 
postfix.

Thanks
Brian



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun 22 18:01:51 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:01:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailing list problems?
In-Reply-To: <1087918056.7656.26.camel@localhost>
References: <p06002049bcfdf00c9b61@[10.0.1.3]>
	<1087918056.7656.26.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <p0600204bbcfe0800387f@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:27 AM -0400 2004-06-22, Barry Warsaw wrote:

>  The mail.python.org machine, which also serves (currently) zope.org and
>  a few other domains is seriously sick.

	Ouch!  I'm very sorry to hear that!  ;(

>                                          We have a new machine
>  commissioned at XS4ALL and are working on migrating all the services
>  other than zope.org to the new machine.

	I am glad to hear you have a replacement underway.

	Do you have a web page or anything else that we can visit to get 
the latest status?

>  We're trying to keep mpo limping along in the meantime.  Sorry for the
>  inconvenience -- please be patient; we hope to have everything back up
>  and running smoothly on the new machine in a couple of days (remember,
>  we're all volunteers here ;).

	Understood.  Is there anything I can do to help?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From barry at python.org  Tue Jun 22 17:27:36 2004
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:27:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailing list problems?
In-Reply-To: <p06002049bcfdf00c9b61@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <p06002049bcfdf00c9b61@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <1087918056.7656.26.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 10:20, Brad Knowles wrote:

> 	It's been a little while since I've gotten anything from the 
> list, and it appears some messages have shown up in the archives that 
> I haven't seen.  I'm checking my subscription now, but I'm wondering 
> if anyone else has seen any problems on the list?

The mail.python.org machine, which also serves (currently) zope.org and
a few other domains is seriously sick.  We have a new machine
commissioned at XS4ALL and are working on migrating all the services
other than zope.org to the new machine.  zope.org will be separated and
maintained by Zope Corporation.

We're trying to keep mpo limping along in the meantime.  Sorry for the
inconvenience -- please be patient; we hope to have everything back up
and running smoothly on the new machine in a couple of days (remember,
we're all volunteers here ;).

-Barry

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From busoylinux at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 23 04:55:55 2004
From: busoylinux at yahoo.com (Linux Newbie)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:55:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on postfix
Message-ID: <20040623025555.87144.qmail@web51801.mail.yahoo.com>

hi guys,
 
my mailman doesnt work up to now. i did some configurations on some things i read but still no luck, if anyone tried this on their postfix please give me some guidelines..

		
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From sasa at stupar.homelinux.net  Wed Jun 23 08:07:17 2004
From: sasa at stupar.homelinux.net (Sasa Stupar)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:07:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smrsh: "mailman" not available...
Message-ID: <40D91E15.6090605@stupar.homelinux.net>

Hi!

I have installed and configured mailman 2.1.5 on RH8 box with Sendmail 
8.13.0.
I got this error:
--------
The original message was received at Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:00:06 +0200
from localhost
with id i5N606Uu006960

    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces xmailforum"
     (reason: Service unavailable)
     (expanded from: <xmailforum-bounces at lists.homelinux.net>)

    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed)
554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
---------
What am I missing in my configuration of Mailman?

Regards,
Sasa

From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun 23 13:47:56 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:47:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman wihout web interface
In-Reply-To: <43202.195.212.28.100.1087530165.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
References: <43202.195.212.28.100.1087530165.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
Message-ID: <p06002053bcff1d95bffe@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:12 AM +0530 2004-06-18, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote:

>  1. I want all administration from command line. Becoz due to some
>  restrictions I cannot have apache or web access to the server.

	I'm pretty sure that anything you can do from the web pages can 
also be done via the command-line, but is definitely doing things the 
hard way.  One of the design goals for Mailman was 
ease-of-administration, but that presupposed access to the web 
interface.

>  2. I want to manage list users on my own. I don't want users to
>  auto-subscribe or unsubscribe on their own.

	You can choose not to create the aliases that would allow users 
to handle their own subscriptions, etc....

>  3. I want the mailing list to be accessible only to the members and not
>  others.

	Running a closed list is easy.  The other stuff is going to be 
more painful, because that's not the normal way that Mailman lists 
are managed, so you're not going to have as many people in the 
community who'd be able to help if you had questions/problems.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From web at reportica.net  Wed Jun 23 14:57:41 2004
From: web at reportica.net (Sheryl Coe)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:57:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Copyright Notice on Web Site
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20040623082505.02f803a0@incoming.verizon.net>


I would like to request permission to post the list of features of Mailman 
on my web site.

I edit the list because we only allow a subset of the features that you 
offer. [Just a note, we are not looking for new list hosting customers at 
this time. We generally only host the mailing list of customers of our 
other editorial services and don't offer it a la cart.] We've also removed 
the notes about certain features being new and improved.

I've done this in the past with full disclosure that it is edited and with 
a link to the original page.

But I notice that the copyright notice contains the word 'verbatim' so, I 
would respectfully request permission to post an __edited__ features list 
on our web site.

Your notice: "? 1998-2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc. Verbatim copying 
and distribution of this entire article is permitted in any medium, 
provided this notice is preserved."

Please RSVP, I've delayed posting about Mailman for too long.

Thanks for Mailman,

Sheryl Coe


---------- the page in question ----------


<h3>Mailman Features</h3>

This  is an edited list of Mailman features, designed to explain our own 
installation at Reportica and how we offer it to our customers. For the 
original and <a href="http://www.list.org/features.html">current list of 
features</a>, see the web site for this project, List.org.

<ul>
<li>Through-the-web list creation and removal
<li>Multi-lingual support: list web pages and email notices can be in
     any of nearly two dozen supported language, configurable
     per-site, per-list, and per-user
<li> "Real name" support for members
<li>Password-less operation for simple user tasks.
<li>Support for personalized deliveries
<li>Emergency moderation
<li>MIME-based content filtering
<li>Regular-expression based topic filtering
<li>Membership management, including searching for members
<li>Administrative requests pages
<li>Moderation and privacy controls
<li>Invitations
<li>Urgent: header support (bypasses digests to reach all users
     immediately)
<li>Web based list administration for nearly all tasks, including list
     configuration, moderation (post approvals), management of user
     accounts
<li>Web based subscribing and unsubscribing.  Users can temporarily disable 
their accounts, select digest modes, hide their email addresses from other 
members
<li>A customizable <em>home page</em> for each mailing list
<li>Per-list privacy features, such as closed-subscriptions, private
     archives, private membership rosters, and sender-based posting
     rules
<li>Integrated bounce detection within an extensible framework.
     Automatic disposition of bouncing addresses (disable,
     unsubscribe)
<li>Integrated spam filters
<li>Built-in web-based archiving
<li>Integrated auto-replies
<li>Multiple list owners and moderators

This  is an edited list of Mailman features, designed to explain our own 
installation and how we use it for our customers. For the original and <a 
href="http://www.list.org/features.html">current list of features</a>, see 
the web site for this project, List.org.

Visit the <a href="http://www.List.org">Mailman</a> web site for 
information about how you can install and manage Mailman for free on your 
own server.
<p>&copy; 1998-2003
Free Software Foundation, Inc.  Verbatim copying and distribution of this
entire article is permitted in any medium, provided this notice is 
preserved.</p>

--------------------------
On an tangential matter, I'd like to volunteer to work on editable pages 
that list hosts can use to edit and promote their Mailmans services. 
Perhaps others would appreciate less technical pages that xplain why it's 
better, from the perspective of their (potential) customers.

Sheryl Coe




From jwt at OnJapan.net  Wed Jun 23 16:03:15 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:03:15 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman wihout web interface
In-Reply-To: <43202.195.212.28.100.1087530165.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
References: <43202.195.212.28.100.1087530165.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
Message-ID: <20040623140315.GA18985@server.onjapan.net>

On Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 09:12:45AM +0530, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote:
> I am new to mailman. I am about to install and test it. Can anyone tell me
> if following is possible.
> 
> 1. I want all administration from command line. Becoz due to some
> restrictions I cannot have apache or web access to the server.

It is certainly possible, but you will need to do a fair amount
of scripting to make it convenient.  You can use bin/withlist
to modify list parameters (there are examples in the list
archives and FAQ).

You might want to consider still using Apache, but limiting
access to just localhost or your LAN, for administrator's use.

> 2. I want to manage list users on my own. I don't want users to
> auto-subscribe or unsubscribe on their own.

You can manage subscriptions from the command line using the
add, remove, sync, and list_members scripts.  You can use
withlist to fine tune the member options.

> Please suggest any soultions if you have.

My first inclination is that without the web interface, at
least for the administrators, that Mailman isn't the right
choice for the mailing list manager in your application.


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From yorkb at NKU.EDU  Wed Jun 23 16:40:02 2004
From: yorkb at NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:40:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting all admins of all lists
Message-ID: <200406231040.02120.yorkb@nku.edu>

Is there a way to get the email address of all administrators of all lists.

Brian



From joe.burkhart at tdhca.state.tx.us  Wed Jun 23 22:34:55 2004
From: joe.burkhart at tdhca.state.tx.us (Joe Burkhart)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:34:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using topics vs. Additional Lists
Message-ID: <90421FFF1620884A8C80ED53D89843691C5CD9@taz.tdhca.state.tx.us>

I'm using version 2.1.2, and when you find a member using the member
management screen, there is no listing for topics. Following are the
displayed options:

unsub | member address, member name | mod | hide | nomail | ack | not metoo
| nodupes | digest | plain | language

Any other suggestions?  Maybe there's a way to do this at the command line?

Thanks,

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Adams [mailto:chris.a.adams at state.or.us] 
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 6:33 PM
To: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Using topics vs. Additional Lists


I would say that the main advantage to topics is that the list admin 
only has to maintain one list. Also, the subscribers can opt to receive 
only information defined by topic, or others not defined by any topic.

If you want to check the topics for a particular subscriber, you can 
enter their email address in the user page and see the topics. However, 
you would only be able to do this for each subscriber.

-- 
Christopher Adams




Joe Burkhart wrote:

>First, we're planning a one-way list that our organization will use to 
>send updates and news to subscribers and not accept postings from 
>members. We have several categories of messages that may be sent out 
>depending on the program the message pertains to.  We're weighing the 
>benefits of using one main list with different topics setup for each 
>category against using separate lists for each category. Does anyone 
>have an opinion about using topics instead of creating separate lists 
>in our  situation?
>
>Second, one major disadvantage I can see in using topics is that as the 
>admin, you can't see which topics a member has selected to receive. So, 
>there's no way to judge the effectiveness/popularity of your topics. Is 
>there some way to see this?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Joe
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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>Mailman-Users at python.org 
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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>http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>  
>




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From joe.burkhart at tdhca.state.tx.us  Wed Jun 23 22:43:24 2004
From: joe.burkhart at tdhca.state.tx.us (Joe Burkhart)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:43:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using topics vs. Additional Lists
Message-ID: <90421FFF1620884A8C80ED53D89843691C5CDA@taz.tdhca.state.tx.us>

Now I see that as the admin you can search for a user on the member
management screen then click the hyperlinked email address for them.  (I'm
so used to seeing email addresses linked with mailto: that I don't consider
it might actually go somewhere anymore.)  Thanks for pointing that out.

But, it would be very helpful to be able to query for a list of all members
subscribed to a particular topic from the command line or elsewhere.  Is
that possible?

--Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Burkhart 
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:35 PM
To: 'Mailman-Users at python.org'
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Using topics vs. Additional Lists


I'm using version 2.1.2, and when you find a member using the member
management screen, there is no listing for topics. Following are the
displayed options:

unsub | member address, member name | mod | hide | nomail | ack | not metoo
| nodupes | digest | plain | language

Any other suggestions?  Maybe there's a way to do this at the command line?

Thanks,

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Adams [mailto:chris.a.adams at state.or.us] 
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 6:33 PM
To: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Using topics vs. Additional Lists


I would say that the main advantage to topics is that the list admin 
only has to maintain one list. Also, the subscribers can opt to receive 
only information defined by topic, or others not defined by any topic.

If you want to check the topics for a particular subscriber, you can 
enter their email address in the user page and see the topics. However, 
you would only be able to do this for each subscriber.

-- 
Christopher Adams




Joe Burkhart wrote:

>First, we're planning a one-way list that our organization will use to
>send updates and news to subscribers and not accept postings from 
>members. We have several categories of messages that may be sent out 
>depending on the program the message pertains to.  We're weighing the 
>benefits of using one main list with different topics setup for each 
>category against using separate lists for each category. Does anyone 
>have an opinion about using topics instead of creating separate lists 
>in our  situation?
>
>Second, one major disadvantage I can see in using topics is that as the
>admin, you can't see which topics a member has selected to receive. So, 
>there's no way to judge the effectiveness/popularity of your topics. Is 
>there some way to see this?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Joe
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives: 
>http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>  
>




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From ronj at san.rr.com  Wed Jun 23 23:20:16 2004
From: ronj at san.rr.com (Ron Jaenisch)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:20:16 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderate- finding
References: <40D0D5F1.000011.00760@REINHART-SEMKYB>
Message-ID: <40D9F410.000065.03556@REINHART-SEMKYB>

  
 
I must be missing something
I am testing it out
set it up and put 2 addresses with moderate checked
when email goes out from no moderated no problem
but I still have not been able to moderate the other mail
The mailing address that I have in the admin and moderator is new
and it does not say owner on it. I have checked the catch all email address
on the site.
 
There's got to be someplace else..........where?
 
Thanks
Ron
 
 
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From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Wed Jun 23 23:54:43 2004
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:54:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using topics vs. Additional Lists
In-Reply-To: <90421FFF1620884A8C80ED53D89843691C5CD9@taz.tdhca.state.tx.us>
References: <90421FFF1620884A8C80ED53D89843691C5CD9@taz.tdhca.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <40D9FC23.2020706@state.or.us>

So far, the only way I can find to see the subscriber's topics is 
through the individual user page.

Joe Burkhart wrote:

>I'm using version 2.1.2, and when you find a member using the member
>management screen, there is no listing for topics. Following are the
>displayed options:
>
>unsub | member address, member name | mod | hide | nomail | ack | not metoo
>| nodupes | digest | plain | language
>
>Any other suggestions?  Maybe there's a way to do this at the command line?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Joe
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Adams [mailto:chris.a.adams at state.or.us] 
>Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 6:33 PM
>To: Mailman-Users at python.org
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Using topics vs. Additional Lists
>
>
>I would say that the main advantage to topics is that the list admin 
>only has to maintain one list. Also, the subscribers can opt to receive 
>only information defined by topic, or others not defined by any topic.
>
>If you want to check the topics for a particular subscriber, you can 
>enter their email address in the user page and see the topics. However, 
>you would only be able to do this for each subscriber.
>
>  
>

-- 
Christopher Adams
Library Systems Analyst
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243 258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us






From jeff at look.net  Thu Jun 24 01:47:54 2004
From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:47:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DHow to delete messages
In-Reply-To: <004101c455bd$0b810040$1964a8c0@bhavin>
References: <004101c455bd$0b810040$1964a8c0@bhavin>
Message-ID: <BED99DAF-C56F-11D8-AFFE-000A959666F6@look.net>


On Jun 19, 2004, at 1:19 AM, Bhavin Shah wrote:

> Dear sir,
>
> PLease let us know how to delete the already archived messages on the 
> website.

The only way I can think of is to edit the raw mailbox file and then 
wipe/rebuild the archive.

The raw mailbox file you should be able to edit with just about any 
email program (or by hand). Then, after you've deleted the message(s) 
run 'arch' with the --wipe option on that list.

-Jeff




From jwt at OnJapan.net  Thu Jun 24 05:14:53 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:14:53 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No footer
In-Reply-To: <cb23sh$kol$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <p06002011bcf61f0f747e@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D07180.6050700@highstream.net>
	<p06002013bcf62d29c2a1@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0E005.9030901@highstream.net>
	<p06002020bcf69b86a0dd@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D17EBA.5060002@highstream.net>
	<p0600202ebcf76875d987@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D1C426.6030707@highstream.net>
	<p0600202fbcf77c487f23@[10.0.1.3]> <cb23sh$kol$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20040624031453.GE26651@server.onjapan.net>

On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 09:24:52PM +0200, Stefan Waidele jun. wrote:
> Brad Knowles wrote:
> >At 12:17 PM -0400 2004-06-17, Anita Lewis wrote:
> >
> >> I don't have root privilege on the server.  The person who does made
> >> the new list. 
> 
> I am that person. Hi I'm Stefan :)
> 
> You suggested (in a PM to Anita, I think) that we add more logging into 
> .../Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py like this:
> syslog('error', 'can't add footer because xxx')

Ah.  I think *I* was *that* person.

> Since we were not able to use SMTPDirect.py because the server only 
> accepts authenticated smtp-connections, which do not seem to work with 
> SMTPDirect.py

Ah!  Python's smtplib module grew support for SMTP auth in
version 2.2.  If you need only a single user/password, you
could embed it in SMTPdirect:

--- /usr/local/src/mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py	2004-01-23 08:02:07.000000000 +0900
+++ SMTPDirect.py	2004-06-24 11:55:29.420208168 +0900
@@ -61,6 +61,7 @@
     def __connect(self):
         self.__conn = smtplib.SMTP()
         self.__conn.connect(mm_cfg.SMTPHOST, mm_cfg.SMTPPORT)
+        self.__conn.login('user', 'password')
         self.__numsessions = mm_cfg.SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION
 
     def sendmail(self, envsender, recips, msgtext):

--- /usr/local/src/mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py

Cleaner alternatives might be to:
 - if the user/passord are the same for all the lists, put them
   in your mm_cfg.py and reference them here
 - add them to the affected list's MailList object (using
   bin/withlist) and reference them here (guarded by an
   'if' to make sure they exist)

> So, against the warning in Sendmail.py, we are using that
> handler for sending mail. I have inserted the call to
> Decorate.py I saw in SMTPDirect.py where I thought it would be
> appropriate, but with no success.

It does seem a bug that Sendmail.py isn't doing the
decoration...  I think most people are using SMTPDirect to
inject their messages into their mail systems.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Jun 24 06:54:50 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 05:54:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please review this procedure for sendmail
	integration
In-Reply-To: <3E7DEED5DAB63B5F24255FF8@[192.168.1.99]>
References: <3E7DEED5DAB63B5F24255FF8@[192.168.1.99]>
Message-ID: <9FFECC90-C59A-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 19 Jun 2004, at 15:45, Ed Greenberg wrote:

> Since many people cannot use David Champion's mm-handler due to shared  
> use of domains,

The other major problem with this perl script, which is logically part  
of the MTA, is (or was when I used it) that incoming mail is silently  
lost if the Mailman delivery agent script terminates abnormally for any  
reason. More normal practice if a delivery agent fails is for the  
delivering MTA to hold and retry later, ultimately reporting  
non-delivery to the sender if delivery failure persists.

> I've worked this up. I'd appreciate some constructive comments, yea or  
> nay, on this procedure.
>
> Using the postfix MTA functionality to do automatic sendmail alias  
> handling
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> ----
>
> In order to add a list to mailman on a sendmail based system, you need  
> to
> add a bunch of aliases for that list to the alias file. In this  
> customization,
> we implement a second alias file and teach sendmail about it.
>
> We use a mailman feature that was designed for the postfix mail  
> program - a replacement for sendmail.  This feature creates  
> /home/mailman/data/aliases
>
> 1. We have a script that will copy the alias file and then process it.  
> We need to do this
> since sendmail doesn't like alias files to be in directories that  
> don't meet very
> specific permission requirements.  /home/mailman/data doesn't meet  
> this requirement. Our script will copy the alias file from  
> /home/mailman/data to /etc. It uses a different name in order not to  
> clash with the existing /etc/aliases
>
> Create /usr/local/sbin/mailman.aliases with these commands:
>
> /bin/cp /home/mailman/data/aliases /etc/mailman.aliases
> /usr/bin/newaliases
>
> 2. We have to tell mailman that it is using postfix. We lie.
>
> Add these to mm_cfg.py:
>
> MTA='Postfix'
> POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/bin/sudo /usr/local/sbin/mailman.aliases'
> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = []
>
> 3. We have to tell sendmail about the new alias file.
>
> in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc find this line:
> define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases')dnl
> and change it to:
> define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases,/etc/mailman.aliases')dnl
> Run a make (or otherwise refresh sendmail.cf and then restart sendmail
>
> Now when we run newaliases, it will rebuild both alias files.
>
> 4. We need permission for apache and mailman to run our script from  
> step 1.
>
> In the /etc/sudoers file (use the command /usr/sbin/visudo) we need  
> two lines:
> apache ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/local/sbin/mailman.aliases
> mailman ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/local/sbin/mailman.aliases
>
> Note that your web server may not run as 'apache' It may run as 'www'  
> or 'nobody'.
> Whatever it runs as is what you need where it says apache.
>
>
> 5. As mailman, run /home/mailman/bin/genaliases
> Check for a file /home/mailman/data/aliases and
> also TWO files /etc/mailman.aliases and /etc/mailman.aliases.db
>
> 6. Test creating a list using /home/mailman/bin/newlist
> Check for the appearance of aliases for that list in  
> /etc/mailman.aliases
> Add some users and test the list
>
> 7. Test for creating a list using http://domain.com/mailman/create
> Check for the appearance of aliases for that list in  
> /etc/mailman.aliases
> Add some users and test the list
>
> Ed Greenberg
> edg at greenberg.org
> 6/19/2004
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:  
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Jun 24 08:10:11 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:10:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export Users List to flatfile?
In-Reply-To: <cavgu7$dv8$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <cavgu7$dv8$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <26CBC58A-C5A5-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 18 Jun 2004, at 20:47, Shaun wrote:

> This may be a newbie question and discussed many times before but I 
> didn't
> have much luck finding a answer.
>
> I need to export a mailman list to a flatfile, is it possible to do 
> this?
>

Yes.

> Also
>
> If I ever needed to restore it how would I go about doing that?
>

Take a look at the scripts in $prefix/bin/, such as list_members, 
sync_members, etc

> --
> ~Shaun




From a.west at acu.ac.uk  Thu Jun 24 09:45:21 2004
From: a.west at acu.ac.uk (Alexandra West)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:45:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting list users to a flat file
In-Reply-To: <cb7eil$6t6$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <cb7eil$6t6$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <40DA8691.4000500@acu.ac.uk>

Hi Shaun,

You don't mention whether you have shell access, but if you do. use
list_members.
 list_members -h  # for help how to use the command
 list_members -o filename.txt listname # to export to file

Alexandra




On 06/21/04 20:54 Shaun wrote:
> How can i export the list users to a flatfile?
> 
> 
> --
> ~Shaun
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From vmscons at eth.net  Thu Jun 24 10:20:16 2004
From: vmscons at eth.net (Bhavin Shah)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:50:16 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions
Message-ID: <004501c459c4$1513d5a0$1964a8c0@bhavin>

Dear Sir,

Please let me know the following :

1) Users of the mailman can use HTML in their posting. Please confirm.

2) How to allow the messages with the attachments.

Regards,

Bhavin Shah

From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Thu Jun 24 10:23:31 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:23:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export Users List to flatfile?
In-Reply-To: <cavgu7$dv8$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <cavgu7$dv8$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <0D8ACFC67B2DE6756DA6A917@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>



--On Friday, June 18, 2004 12:47 pm -0700 Shaun 
<mailinglists at unix-scripts.com> wrote:

> This may be a newbie question and discussed many times before but I didn't
> have much luck finding a answer.
>
> I need to export a mailman list to a flatfile, is it possible to do this?

Yes, if you have access to the command line on the server, use:

$MAILMAN/bin/list_members -fp $LISTNAME

where $MAILMAN is the path to your mailman installation, and $LISTNAME is 
the name of your list.

$MAILMAN/bin/list_members --help

will tell you some options that you can use.

You can use "sync_members" to restore the list.

> Also
>
> If I ever needed to restore it how would I go about doing that?
>
> --
> ~Shaun
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/



-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS




From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Thu Jun 24 10:28:17 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:28:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Version
In-Reply-To: <004101c4576c$6fb601e0$1964a8c0@bhavin>
References: <004101c4576c$6fb601e0$1964a8c0@bhavin>
Message-ID: <ACE6568CA69AABA90023A129@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>



--On Monday, June 21, 2004 2:17 pm +0530 Bhavin Shah <vmscons at eth.net> 
wrote:

> To,
>
> Mailman
>
> We are using version 2.1.5 of mailman. Please, let us know that which is
> the latest version of the Milman

See http://www.list.org/ the latest version is always available there.

BTW, english isn't your first language is it?

The construct "Please, let us know that which is the latest version of the 
Milman" gives it away; it sounds like you are addressing a servant. 
Prefixing an instruction with "please" is polite, but doesn't make it 
language that you would use of a peer. Better to ask a question, like "What 
is the latest version", or "is this the latest version".

> Regards,
>
> Bhavin



-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS




From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Thu Jun 24 10:29:13 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:29:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DHow to delete messages
In-Reply-To: <004101c455bd$0b810040$1964a8c0@bhavin>
References: <004101c455bd$0b810040$1964a8c0@bhavin>
Message-ID: <8F647FB10B29B3EC1AEBC6B3@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>



--On Saturday, June 19, 2004 10:49 am +0530 Bhavin Shah <vmscons at eth.net> 
wrote:

> Dear sir,
>
> PLease let us know how to delete the already archived messages on the
> website.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bhavin

Delete the files from your web server archive. Your web server 
configuration will tell you where they are. I don't think you can use the 
web interface to do that.


-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS




From jwt at OnJapan.net  Thu Jun 24 11:24:47 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:24:47 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is the python string for the user's real
	name?
In-Reply-To: <200406220034.i5M0YWVu023260@server5.chard.net>
References: <200406220034.i5M0YWVu023260@server5.chard.net>
Message-ID: <20040624092446.GG29901@server.onjapan.net>

On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 08:34:44PM -0400, Brendan Chard wrote:
> What is the python string for the user's real name?
> 
> I'd like to customize the "subauth.txt" template to include the potential
> subscribers name in addition to their e-mail address so that it reads:

I don't think it is in the dictionary that is used to process
subauth.txt... but it would be easy to add by editing
Mailman/ListAdmin.py:
@@ -384,6 +386,7 @@
             text = Utils.maketext(
                 'subauth.txt',
                 {'username'   : addr,
+                 'fullname'   : fullname,
                  'listname'   : self.internal_name(),
                  'hostname'   : self.host_name,
                  'admindb_url': self.GetScriptURL('admindb', absolute=1),

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 24 11:54:40 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:54:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export Users List to flatfile?
In-Reply-To: <cavgu7$dv8$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <cavgu7$dv8$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <p0600206cbd005551f65f@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:47 PM -0700 2004-06-18, Shaun wrote:

>  This may be a newbie question and discussed many times before but I didn't
>  have much luck finding a answer.
>
>  I need to export a mailman list to a flatfile, is it possible to do this?

	Yes.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 24 11:57:07 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:57:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No footer
In-Reply-To: <cb23sh$kol$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B0647AE@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
	<canc10$m6m$1@sea.gmane.org>	<p06002005bcf530ef5d2d@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0143D.6030200@highstream.net>
	<p0600200ebcf6139ac525@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0690D.4010709@highstream.net>
	<p06002011bcf61f0f747e@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D07180.6050700@highstream.net>
	<p06002013bcf62d29c2a1@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0E005.9030901@highstream.net>
	<p06002020bcf69b86a0dd@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D17EBA.5060002@highstream.net>
	<p0600202ebcf76875d987@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D1C426.6030707@highstream.net>
	<p0600202fbcf77c487f23@[10.0.1.3]> <cb23sh$kol$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <p0600206dbd0055cd1373@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:24 PM +0200 2004-06-19, Stefan Waidele jun. wrote:

>  I have not much knowledge in python. I renamed the Sendmail.pyc so the
>  new source would be compiled.  While the list still works, there is no
>  new compiled version in the directory. Strange.

	You need to stop and restart Mailman, using mailmanctl.

	Now, why aren't you able to use SMTPDirect?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 24 12:02:50 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:02:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: "Site list for mailman (usually named
	mailman) 	missing"
In-Reply-To: <200406211523.59480.jaymz@bigpond.net.au>
References: <200406201924.54747.sinnamon@westnet.com.au>
	<200406211523.59480.jaymz@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <p0600206fbd0056d751d1@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:23 PM +1000 2004-06-21, James Sinnamon wrote:

>    Site list for mailman (usually named mailman) missing
>    Please create it; until then, mailman will refuse to start

	See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.025.htp> 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.005.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 24 12:07:28 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:07:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman control on message rate ??
In-Reply-To: <15218.195.212.28.100.1087822188.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
References: <15218.195.212.28.100.1087822188.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
Message-ID: <p06002071bd0058089945@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:19 PM +0530 2004-06-21, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote:

>  Since there are lists with large number of members,  I want to control the
>  flow of messages (rather rate of messages) which will be flowing from
>  Mailman to Postfix. I run the list via a separate virtual domain. Now
>  suppose I have 5000 members on one list and I want 20 mails to be sent per
>  second when a post expands from mailman. Also,I want to keep other mails
>  flowing through postfix unaffected.

	See the archives.  Generally speaking, this is a bad idea.  You 
are much better off just letting Mailman dump the messages into 
postfix as quickly as it can, and then letting postfix deal with the 
issues of queueing mail over to the mainframe, etc....

	Postfix is much, much better at this job than Mailman ever could 
be, and makes a point of automatically adapting the rate at which it 
sends e-mail so that the remote end does not get flooded.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 24 12:05:37 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:05:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Version
In-Reply-To: <004101c4576c$6fb601e0$1964a8c0@bhavin>
References: <004101c4576c$6fb601e0$1964a8c0@bhavin>
Message-ID: <p06002070bd00577175f1@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:17 PM +0530 2004-06-21, Bhavin Shah wrote:

>  We are using version 2.1.5 of mailman. Please, let us know that which is
>  the latest version of the Milman

	That's the latest version.  See <http://www.list.org/>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 24 15:05:09 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:05:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Systemwide max message size
In-Reply-To: <200406221058.36044.yorkb@nku.edu>
References: <200406221058.36044.yorkb@nku.edu>
Message-ID: <p0600207cbd0081cb1348@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:58 AM -0400 2004-06-22, Brian York wrote:

>  Is their an option to set a systemwide max message size so keep list admins
>  from setting the max message size as high as they want. If not what would be
>  a solution to keep large messages from going through the system. MTA is
>  postfix.

	You can set a maximum message size in your MTA.  Whatever you set 
there, even if the mailing list managers try to set something higher, 
it won't do them any good.

	In this case, see the documentation for postfix (including the 
books), or the mailing lists oriented toward supporting postfix.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 24 16:56:10 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:56:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on postfix
In-Reply-To: <20040623025555.87144.qmail@web51801.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040623025555.87144.qmail@web51801.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06002086bd009bc92af5@[10.0.1.3]>

At 7:55 PM -0700 2004-06-22, Linux Newbie wrote:

>  my mailman doesnt work up to now. i did some configurations on some
>  things i read but still no luck, if anyone tried this on their postfix
>  please give me some guidelines..

	You're not giving us any details whatsoever regarding your 
hardware, the OS, your MTA version, your Mailman version, or any of 
the things you've done to the system.

	You've got a lot of blanks you need to fill in before there can 
be any possible hope that someone can help you.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Thu Jun 24 17:24:30 2004
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:24:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smrsh: "mailman" not available...
In-Reply-To: <40D91E15.6090605@stupar.homelinux.net>
References: <40D91E15.6090605@stupar.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <20040624152430.GS21508@charite.de>

* Sasa Stupar <sasa at stupar.homelinux.net>:

> smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed)

Fix this. man smrsh

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a)   Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de
Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin            Tel.  +49 (0)30-450 570-155
Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin    Fax.  +49 (0)30-450 570-916
IT-Zentrum Standort Campus Mitte                          AIM.  ralfpostfix



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 24 18:16:27 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:16:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Copyright Notice on Web Site
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20040623082505.02f803a0@incoming.verizon.net>
References: <6.1.1.1.2.20040623082505.02f803a0@incoming.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <p06002089bd00ae5d85c4@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:57 AM -0400 2004-06-23, Sheryl Coe wrote:

>  But I notice that the copyright notice contains the word 'verbatim' so,
>  I would respectfully request permission to post an __edited__ features
>  list on our web site.

	Barry's a little busy right now.  See <http://www.python.org/>.

	When the replacement mail server is online and things have 
quieted down a bit, he might have some time to get back to you.

>  On an tangential matter, I'd like to volunteer to work on editable pages
>  that list hosts can use to edit and promote their Mailmans services.
>  Perhaps others would appreciate less technical pages that xplain why
>  it's better, from the perspective of their (potential) customers.

	You could also offer your assistance in this area to Barry, so 
that the main Mailman web pages are improved to the benefit of the 
whole community.

	Just something to think about.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Thu Jun 24 18:08:25 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:08:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smrsh: "mailman" not available...
In-Reply-To: <40D91E15.6090605@stupar.homelinux.net>
References: <40D91E15.6090605@stupar.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <p06002088bd00ac701213@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:07 AM +0200 2004-06-23, Sasa Stupar wrote:

>  What am I missing in my configuration of Mailman?

	See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=smrsh&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search>.

	See also 
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/README.SENDMAIL?view=markup>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From peacebwitchu at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 24 23:17:17 2004
From: peacebwitchu at yahoo.com (peace bwitchu)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:17:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on postfix
In-Reply-To: <20040623025555.87144.qmail@web51801.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040624211717.33714.qmail@web50410.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Linux Newbie <busoylinux at yahoo.com> wrote:
> hi guys,
>  
> my mailman doesnt work up to now. i did some
> configurations on some things i read but still no
> luck, if anyone tried this on their postfix please
> give me some guidelines..
> 
> 		
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
>
------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
>
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ:
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
>
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 

What is not working.  I have always run mailman on
postfix and never had any problems.


		
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 01:57:52 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 01:57:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions
In-Reply-To: <004501c459c4$1513d5a0$1964a8c0@bhavin>
References: <004501c459c4$1513d5a0$1964a8c0@bhavin>
Message-ID: <p06002008bd011995d750@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:50 PM +0530 2004-06-24, Bhavin Shah wrote:

>  1) Users of the mailman can use HTML in their posting. Please confirm.

	Yes, but there are known issues with the default archiving tool, 
and with doing things like adding footers to messages as the pass 
through the system.  These are problems inherent in any MIME/HTML 
e-mail solution, and are difficult or impossible to solve.

	See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.003.htp>, 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.005.htp>, 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp>.

>  2) How to allow the messages with the attachments.

	By default, Mailman will allow all MIME bodypart types to pass 
through the system unchanged.  All you have to do is avoid changing 
this aspect of the configuration.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 02:03:17 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 02:03:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DHow to delete messages
In-Reply-To: <004101c455bd$0b810040$1964a8c0@bhavin>
References: <004101c455bd$0b810040$1964a8c0@bhavin>
Message-ID: <p06002009bd011bce5cc0@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:49 AM +0530 2004-06-19, Bhavin Shah wrote:

>  PLease let us know how to delete the already archived messages on 
>the website.

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp>.

	In the future, it would be a good idea to search the Mailman 
documentation at <http://www.list.org/docs.html>, and the Mailman FAQ 
at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py>, as well as following 
the instructions to search the Mailman archives (see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.018.htp>), 
before posting simple questions like this to the mailing list.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From rick at maddyhome.com  Fri Jun 25 04:58:10 2004
From: rick at maddyhome.com (Rick Maddy)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:58:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can list admin unsubscribe user via email?
Message-ID: <40DB94C2.6010107@maddyhome.com>

I need a way for a list admin or moderator to be able to unsubscribe a
user from the list via an email interface. I don't want the user to get
a confirmation page first, just the notice that they have been unsubscribed.

I'm sending this email from a Java program. I've tried sending the email
from the person I'm trying to unsubscribe to list-unsubscribe at host.com -
this results in the user getting the confirmation - not what I want.

I've tried sending the email as the admin to list-request at host.com with
the command 'unsubscribe [admin password] address=user.to.remove'

This gives me a bad password email to the admin. I assume it is looking
for the user's password, not the admin's password.

I've read all the docs and FAQs and searched the archives but I can't
find anything on this.

Help.

Rick




From jwt at OnJapan.net  Fri Jun 25 06:36:00 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:36:00 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using topics vs. Additional Lists
In-Reply-To: <90421FFF1620884A8C80ED53D89843691C5CDA@taz.tdhca.state.tx.us>
References: <90421FFF1620884A8C80ED53D89843691C5CDA@taz.tdhca.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <20040625043600.GE7208@server.onjapan.net>

On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 03:43:24PM -0500, Joe Burkhart wrote:
> But, it would be very helpful to be able to query for a list of all members
> subscribed to a particular topic from the command line or elsewhere.  Is
> that possible?

Similar to the addtopic.py tool I posted on Jun 11th, but doing
get instead of set.  topic_subscribers.py

import sys
from Mailman import mm_cfg

def topic_subscribers(m, topic):
    if not m.topics_enabled:
        print "topics aren't enabled for list", m.real_name
        sys.exit(2)
    if topic not in [x[0] for x in m.topics]:
        print topic, "is not a valid topic for list", m.real_name
	sys.exit(2)
    for member in m.members:
        if topic in m.getMemberTopics(member):
	    # flag users that get messages other than topics
	    if m.getMemberOption(member, mm_cfg.ReceiveNonmatchingTopics):
	        print member, "+"
	    else:
                print member
	else:
	    # if not subscribed to the topic, but receiving non matching
	    # messages
	    if m.getMemberOption(member, mm_cfg.ReceiveNonmatchingTopics):
                print member, "*"

$ bin/withlist -r topic_subscribers mylist fish

would then list everyone subscribed to the 'fish' topic of 'mylist'
(as well as people that receive messages for any topic).

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From jwt at OnJapan.net  Fri Jun 25 08:13:54 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:13:54 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting all admins of all lists
In-Reply-To: <200406231040.02120.yorkb@nku.edu>
References: <200406231040.02120.yorkb@nku.edu>
Message-ID: <20040625061354.GA8839@server.onjapan.net>

On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 10:40:02AM -0400, Brian York wrote:
> Is there a way to get the email address of all administrators of all lists.

bin/list_owners

(check the -m switch if you need the moderators as well)

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html




From hsteffin at pecos.de  Fri Jun 25 10:08:16 2004
From: hsteffin at pecos.de (Hartmut Steffin)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:08:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Set date in archive
Message-ID: <40DBDD70.8040402@pecos.de>

hi guys,

i just migrated from 2.0.13 to 2.1.2

in the old version under "archival options" there was a flag
"Set date in archive to when the mail is claimed to have been sent, or to the time we resend it?"
i liked it because then you don't have ghost mails from the far future or distant past (often 1/1/1970) breaking threads.

i don't find this option in the new version. does it hide somewhere else? is it gone? if so, why?!

tia

Mit freundlichen Gr??en /regards
Hartmut Steffin

-
If a 6600 used paper tape instead of core memory, it would use up tape
at about 30 miles/second.
                -- Grishman, Assembly Language Programming


From fs at ecce-terram.de  Fri Jun 25 11:15:53 2004
From: fs at ecce-terram.de (Frank Simon)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:15:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Total personalized Mails
Message-ID: <420EF16C-C688-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>

Hello,

we try to use mailman for personalized mails. Every user get a mail for 
example "Job Offers this week for your subscription". Every User should 
only get the jobs for his region and interest for example.

The datas are in an external programm. If this programm called by 
system or http with the mailadress as argument, it returns the part of 
the mailtext for this user as text or html.

But to use it, i need a possibility that mailman can call this programm 
via system() or http. Lyris have a possibilty to write in the mail 
somethink like that:

[[httpget("http://www.bla.com/cgi-bin/myjobs?id=mailadress"]]

We look for a way with mailman, because we want to use mailman features 
like bounce control with VERP, unsubscribe-Features from mailman and 
the power of mailman/exim for mail sending.

My question:

Is there any possibility to include text/html from an external programm 
in every mail ?

If not, where will be the best way to implement this in mailman ?

Frank
--
Frank Simon                          ECCE TERRAM Internet Services GmbH
Tel. 0441 / 500 120                  Edewechter Landstr. 42
Fax. 0441 / 500 1229                 D-26131 Oldenburg
Ex Astris Scientia




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 10:32:41 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:32:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can list admin unsubscribe user
 via email?
In-Reply-To: <40DB94C2.6010107@maddyhome.com>
References: <40DB94C2.6010107@maddyhome.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200dbd01937c00d1@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:58 PM -0600 2004-06-24, Rick Maddy wrote:

>  I'm sending this email from a Java program. I've tried sending the email
>  from the person I'm trying to unsubscribe to list-unsubscribe at host.com -
>  this results in the user getting the confirmation - not what I want.

	As one idea, you could turn off confirmations for the list.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 11:31:56 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:31:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Total personalized Mails
In-Reply-To: <420EF16C-C688-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
References: <420EF16C-C688-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
Message-ID: <p06002014bd01a1443bcb@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:15 AM +0200 2004-06-25, Frank Simon wrote:

>  If not, where will be the best way to implement this in mailman ?

	Don't use mailman.  It was not designed to be a "complete 
customized mail-merge" tool.

	See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.018.htp> 
for related information.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From fs at ecce-terram.de  Fri Jun 25 11:38:40 2004
From: fs at ecce-terram.de (Frank Simon)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:38:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Total personalized Mails
In-Reply-To: <p06002014bd01a1443bcb@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <420EF16C-C688-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
	<p06002014bd01a1443bcb@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <7100A2FB-C68B-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>

Hi,

Am 25.06.2004 um 11:31 schrieb Brad Knowles:

> At 11:15 AM +0200 2004-06-25, Frank Simon wrote:
>
>>  If not, where will be the best way to implement this in mailman ?
>
> 	Don't use mailman.  It was not designed to be a "complete customized 
> mail-merge" tool.
>
> 	See 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.018.htp> 
> for related information.

The FAQ entry regarding more for Job Assignment and CRM systems. That 
isn`t was i want. I want only custimze the content more than i find in 
the FAQ.

mailman sends mails in a personalize way (Name, Surname at Beginning, 
individual unsubscribe- and bounce notices using VERP). In this case i 
think, there should be a way to personalize the content too.

Frank
--
Frank Simon                          ECCE TERRAM Internet Services GmbH
Tel. 0441 / 500 120                  Edewechter Landstr. 42
Fax. 0441 / 500 1229                 D-26131 Oldenburg
Ex Astris Scientia




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Jun 25 11:50:52 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:50:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Total personalized Mails
In-Reply-To: <7100A2FB-C68B-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
References: <420EF16C-C688-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
	<p06002014bd01a1443bcb@[10.0.1.3]>
	<7100A2FB-C68B-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
Message-ID: <25607380-C68D-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 25 Jun 2004, at 10:38, Frank Simon wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Am 25.06.2004 um 11:31 schrieb Brad Knowles:
>
>> At 11:15 AM +0200 2004-06-25, Frank Simon wrote:
>>
>>>  If not, where will be the best way to implement this in mailman ?
>>
>> 	Don't use mailman.  It was not designed to be a "complete customized  
>> mail-merge" tool.
>>
>> 	See  
>> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? 
>> req=show&file=faq03.018.htp> for related information.
>
> The FAQ entry regarding more for Job Assignment and CRM systems. That  
> isn`t was i want. I want only custimze the content more than i find in  
> the FAQ.
>
> mailman sends mails in a personalize way (Name, Surname at Beginning,  
> individual unsubscribe- and bounce notices using VERP). In this case i  
> think, there should be a way to personalize the content too.
>

There is. MM is free, Open Software; so go for it. I am sure a well  
implemented enhancement will find other grateful users.

> Frank
> --
> Frank Simon                          ECCE TERRAM Internet Services GmbH
> Tel. 0441 / 500 120                  Edewechter Landstr. 42
> Fax. 0441 / 500 1229                 D-26131 Oldenburg
> Ex Astris Scientia
>




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 11:51:51 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:51:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Total personalized Mails
In-Reply-To: <7100A2FB-C68B-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
References: <420EF16C-C688-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
	<p06002014bd01a1443bcb@[10.0.1.3]>
	<7100A2FB-C68B-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
Message-ID: <p06002017bd01a5a241c6@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:38 AM +0200 2004-06-25, Frank Simon wrote:

>>  	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.018.htp>
>>  for related information.
>
>  The FAQ entry regarding more for Job Assignment and CRM systems. That
>  isn`t was i want. I want only custimze the content more than i find in
>  the FAQ.

	I understand.  That's why I say that it's related, as opposed to 
just quoting the FAQ entry for you and letting you read the answer 
for yourself.

>  mailman sends mails in a personalize way (Name, Surname at Beginning,
>  individual unsubscribe- and bounce notices using VERP). In this case i
>  think, there should be a way to personalize the content too.

	To the degree you want?  No.  I've known plenty of multi-million 
dollar businesses that have been built on the kind of tool you're 
looking for, and every one of them has found it necessary to create 
their own.

	The mail-merge problem is so different from the running of a 
mailing list that you simply cannot take existing tools and abuse 
them to work the way you want.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From sylvain.baudoin at edifixio.com  Fri Jun 25 13:23:25 2004
From: sylvain.baudoin at edifixio.com (Sylvain BAUDOIN)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:23:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMTPDirect.py not always invoked for every post
Message-ID: <E24CED6B6E3AEA4DA7571CB2A62A24154FFB90@intranet.edifixio.com>

Hi all,

I have noticed something strange that annoys me: it seems that SMTPDirect.py
is not always invoked every time I post a message to my mailing lists. I
tried to log what is going on, and it really seems that this script is
invoked randomly, at least on a basis I do not understand: 2 identical posts
(same title, message, recipient) may not lead to the call of SMTPDirect.

Could somebody explain me how posting really works and how to make sure it
is always invoked?

Thanks,

Sylvain Baudoin




From fs at ecce-terram.de  Fri Jun 25 13:29:55 2004
From: fs at ecce-terram.de (Frank Simon)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:29:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Total personalized Mails
In-Reply-To: <p06002017bd01a5a241c6@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <420EF16C-C688-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
	<p06002014bd01a1443bcb@[10.0.1.3]>
	<7100A2FB-C68B-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
	<p06002017bd01a5a241c6@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <FBAB1E93-C69A-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>

Hi,

Why are you so unfriendly ?   I only ask a question. There are some  
mailling software, with this features, other not. If mailman dont have  
it, no prob. Mailman is a good software, or we dont want to use it.

In a technical way - if is a feature like VERP and individuel bounce  
managment, than this have technical implications - for example, that  
the mails dont send mails as a block. If there is a block sending, than  
you have no chance to implement individual mails.

If this is the situation, its a very logic question to ask, is there a  
way to do individual content and if not, where the best point to start  
to programmed a addon.

It could be, that my bad english is a reason, to send unfriendly mails,  
but i think you have no reason too.

THis is a question from one developr to another. Or dont exist there a  
development community ?  Or is it forbidden to programmed addons to  
mailman ?  Or its impossible to get starting hints for programming  
addons ?

Frank
==
Am 25.06.2004 um 11:51 schrieb Brad Knowles:

> At 11:38 AM +0200 2004-06-25, Frank Simon wrote:
>
>>>  	See  
>>> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? 
>>> req=show&file=faq03.018.htp>
>>>  for related information.
>>
>>  The FAQ entry regarding more for Job Assignment and CRM systems. That
>>  isn`t was i want. I want only custimze the content more than i find  
>> in
>>  the FAQ.
>
> 	I understand.  That's why I say that it's related, as opposed to just  
> quoting the FAQ entry for you and letting you read the answer for  
> yourself.
>
>>  mailman sends mails in a personalize way (Name, Surname at Beginning,
>>  individual unsubscribe- and bounce notices using VERP). In this case  
>> i
>>  think, there should be a way to personalize the content too.
>
> 	To the degree you want?  No.  I've known plenty of multi-million  
> dollar businesses that have been built on the kind of tool you're  
> looking for, and every one of them has found it necessary to create  
> their own.
>
> 	The mail-merge problem is so different from the running of a mailing  
> list that you simply cannot take existing tools and abuse them to work  
> the way you want.
>
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>
>
--
Frank Simon                          ECCE TERRAM Internet Services GmbH
Tel. 0441 / 500 120                  Edewechter Landstr. 42
Fax. 0441 / 500 1229                 D-26131 Oldenburg
Ex Astris Scientia




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 14:02:31 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:02:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Total personalized Mails
In-Reply-To: <FBAB1E93-C69A-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
References: <420EF16C-C688-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
	<p06002014bd01a1443bcb@[10.0.1.3]>
	<7100A2FB-C68B-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
	<p06002017bd01a5a241c6@[10.0.1.3]>
	<FBAB1E93-C69A-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
Message-ID: <p06002018bd01c0d1a0c5@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:29 PM +0200 2004-06-25, Frank Simon wrote:

>  Why are you so unfriendly ?   I only ask a question. There are some
>  mailling software, with this features, other not. If mailman dont have
>  it, no prob. Mailman is a good software, or we dont want to use it.

	I'm not being unfriendly.  If I was being unfriendly, believe me, 
you'd know it.

	This is a case where this type of question could have been pretty 
easily answered by looking at the documentation and reading the FAQ.

>  In a technical way - if is a feature like VERP and individuel bounce
>  managment, than this have technical implications - for example, that
>  the mails dont send mails as a block. If there is a block sending,
>  than you have no chance to implement individual mails.

	It has nothing to do with sending messages individually or as a 
group.  Mailman already has the ability to send messages individually.

	This question has everything to do with what sorts of 
personalization magic that Mailman is capable of performing on mail 
messages as they are being sent out.

	The answer here is that there is very little.  We can stuff a 
little bit of data into the templates that are pre-defined, but 
beyond that, there is nothing.


	Mailman is a mailing list management system, and not a mail-merge 
system.  If you want the features of a mail-merge system, you need to 
look elsewhere.

>  If this is the situation, its a very logic question to ask, is there a
>  way to do individual content and if not, where the best point to start
>  to programmed a addon.

	You'd probably need to rewrite everything that touches any of the 
templates, or modifies the content of the message in question. 
That's large chunks of the entire Mailman system, which is why I 
suggest that you should instead look for a product that is designed 
to do what you're asking for.

>  It could be, that my bad english is a reason, to send unfriendly mails,
>  but i think you have no reason too.

	Indeed, I think that this is precisely the problem.

	I am trying very hard not to take personally the sorts of things 
you've said here, and to stick to the facts of the case which led up 
to this point.


	Being an American living in Belgium and having tried (and failed) 
to learn both French and Dutch, I am acutely aware of linguistic 
problems that can occur when people ask questions in a language that 
is not native for them.

>  THis is a question from one developr to another. Or dont exist there
>  a development community ?  Or is it forbidden to programmed addons to
>  mailman ?  Or its impossible to get starting hints for programming
>  addons ?

	There is a development community.  If you wanted to address them, 
you should have sent your message to mailman-developers instead.

	However, I will warn you that if you had posted the same message 
to that list, you would almost certainly have gotten a much more 
unfriendly response.


	If you're interested in programming extensions to Mailman to add 
these kinds of features, as Richard Barrett said:

		There is. MM is free, Open Software; so go for it. I am sure
		a well implemented enhancement will find other grateful users.

	In that case, I would encourage you to subscribe to 
mailman-developers, and to post a question on that list.



	What I interpreted from your original message was "Here's what I 
want, it's your responsibility to tell me how to make Mailman do this 
for me".  That kind of thing will not fly on mailman-users, and it 
most definitely will not fly on mailman-developers.

	Instead, if you state what it is that you'd like to see, show 
that you've already done the research necessary to prove that you 
know that Mailman can't do this, and then ask for guidance as to 
where to start, that will be much better received.

	In particular, when trying to show that you've done your 
homework, it would be helpful if you could point out specific pieces 
of the documentation, FAQ entries, and messages from the archives 
that others might think are related to what you want but which you do 
not find helpful.  The more you demonstrate to us that you've done 
your homework in this area, the more likely you are to get a positive 
response.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From mailing-lists at slortar.net  Fri Jun 25 14:02:35 2004
From: mailing-lists at slortar.net (Luc Brouard)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:02:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Total personalized Mails
In-Reply-To: <FBAB1E93-C69A-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
References: <420EF16C-C688-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
	<p06002014bd01a1443bcb@[10.0.1.3]>
	<7100A2FB-C68B-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
	<p06002017bd01a5a241c6@[10.0.1.3]>
	<FBAB1E93-C69A-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
Message-ID: <20040625120235.GA20144@slortar.net>

On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 01:29:55PM +0200, Frank Simon wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Why are you so unfriendly ?   I only ask a question. There are some  
> mailling software, with this features, other not. If mailman dont have  
> it, no prob. Mailman is a good software, or we dont want to use it.

Brad was not unfriendly ... He was just to the point.
Nothing personal in his reply. And as you said it might well be your
english level (seems good but might lack just a few things to pick all
the nuancies of "speech")

Luc



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 14:45:23 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:45:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on postfix
In-Reply-To: <20040623025555.87144.qmail@web51801.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040623025555.87144.qmail@web51801.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06002019bd01cebfe49d@[10.0.1.3]>

At 7:55 PM -0700 2004-06-22, Linux Newbie wrote:

>  my mailman doesnt work up to now. i did some configurations on some
>  things i read but still no luck, if anyone tried this on their
>  postfix please give me some guidelines..

	To help avoid issues like this in the future, I created the FAQ 
entry at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.022.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From ucgajpd at ucl.ac.uk  Fri Jun 25 15:08:52 2004
From: ucgajpd at ucl.ac.uk (Jason Davies)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:08:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] selected members to announcements only? (newbie)
Message-ID: <b02010206-1034-CF9A42EAC6A811D8A0F000039385171A@[128.40.98.143]>

I just walked into one of those etiquette discussion joining this
morning, didn't I?:-)

Please indulge a really basic question. I have searched for
'announcements only' in the FAQ Wizard and looked at the Mailman
interface on my list. I am running Mailman version 2.0.13. I am not an
expert...I was given this list to run because I am a webmaster of the
relevant site. The software is configured by the college.

Some members of the list wish to receive announcements only rather than
the rather messy  (but on-topic) discussions that have grown up. Is it
possible within the same list to do this (eg to only have them receive
my posts?) Or should I set up an announcement only list entirely
separately? Thanks for any help (I suspect the latter but you never
know...)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 15:27:06 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:27:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Total personalized Mails
In-Reply-To: <25607380-C68D-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <420EF16C-C688-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
	<p06002014bd01a1443bcb@[10.0.1.3]>
	<7100A2FB-C68B-11D8-935A-000A95A51384@ecce-terram.de>
	<25607380-C68D-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p0600201bbd01d8892feb@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:50 AM +0100 2004-06-25, Richard Barrett wrote:

>  There is. MM is free, Open Software; so go for it. I am sure a
>  well implemented enhancement will find other grateful users.

	Thanks for the quote!  Hope you don't mind if I use it....

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 15:31:55 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:31:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] selected members to announcements only? (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <b02010206-1034-CF9A42EAC6A811D8A0F000039385171A@[128.40.98.143]>
References: <b02010206-1034-CF9A42EAC6A811D8A0F000039385171A@[128.40.98.143]>
Message-ID: <p0600201cbd01d9165103@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:08 PM +0100 2004-06-25, Jason Davies wrote:

>  I just walked into one of those etiquette discussion joining this
>  morning, didn't I?:-)

	Yup.  Don't worry about it.  ;)

>  Some members of the list wish to receive announcements only rather than
>  the rather messy  (but on-topic) discussions that have grown up. Is it
>  possible within the same list to do this (eg to only have them receive
>  my posts?) Or should I set up an announcement only list entirely
>  separately? Thanks for any help (I suspect the latter but you never
>  know...)

	My advice would be to set up a separate announcement-only list. 
Those who care will move, and you can send announcements to both. 
That way, the people who want to continue discussing things won't 
have to change anything, and the people who want to reduce their load 
are the only affected users.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU  Fri Jun 25 16:12:12 2004
From: Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU (Doug Hughes)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:12:12 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner: Low level smtp error
Message-ID: <200406251412.JAA06780@goodall.eng.auburn.edu>


mailman 2.1.4-5
debian sarge

postfix (or sendmail)

initial mail queues to the daemon ok and then goes into the qfiles
directory, but then mailman qrunner processes it and I get this:

Jun 23 17:08:05 2004 (19334) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service
not known'), msgid:
<mailman.0.1088024883.19332.kerry-tech at potomacalliance.us>
Jun 23 17:08:05 2004 (19334) delivery to root at potomacalliance.us failed
with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known')

I've tried postfix and I've tried sendmail. Both give me the same
message. Has anybody seen this before?

I've never had this issue with an apt-get install mailman in the past.
Strange.

non-mailman mail goes to and from the domain just fine, so it does
not appear to be a smtp (postfix|sendmail) configuration issue.

	Doug



From anita at ajlewis.org  Wed Jun 16 18:07:39 2004
From: anita at ajlewis.org (Anita Lewis)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:07:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No footer
In-Reply-To: <p0600200ebcf6139ac525@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B0647AE@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
	<canc10$m6m$1@sea.gmane.org> <p06002005bcf530ef5d2d@[10.0.1.3]>
	<40D0143D.6030200@highstream.net>
	<p0600200ebcf6139ac525@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <40D0704B.3040400@ajlewis.org>

Brad Knowles wrote:

>     The messages may appear to be plain text, but they may be sent in 
> a MIME bodypart type that makes it difficult to handle them well. This 
> is especially likely if you have overseas clients sending e-mail to a 
> mailing list hosted in English.  In this case, this is a problem with 
> MIME, not HTML.
>
>     To be certain as to what is going on, we'd need to see complete 
> copies of sample e-mail messages that go through okay as compared to 
> messages that fail, with all headers intact, etc....
>
Not sure if this list accepts attachments.  I sent in a message earlier 
with the sample e-mail attached and haven't seen it.  All of our 
messages are lacking the footer.  Inserted below is one of our messages:
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Stefan Waidele jun. wrote:

 >
 >> Could be that Suse uses cfdisk or fdisk for partitioning and I think
 >> this is happening only when parted is used.
 >
 >
 > Yes. I don't remember the details, but I used Suse to resize the
 > windows-partition.
 >
 > Well, It worked for me :)

Here is a series of posts that sound like a similar problem. I put my 2
cents in at the bottom. :-)

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=179474&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

So far I have not found out what Suse uses to partition during the
install.  Note that this fellow resized in advance, but made only one
partition.  I'm sure that the installer divided that partition up into
at least a swap and root partition.  If it did it with parted, then the
problem could happen.

Anita





From t.morrison at liant.com  Fri Jun 25 16:45:23 2004
From: t.morrison at liant.com (Tom Morrison)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:45:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding Namazu search to Mailman archives
Message-ID: <auto-000002428215@liant.com>

The following may be useful.  I chose this technique because it was least
invasive on a stable Mailman configuration.  My Mailman lists do not have
heavy usage -- only about 20 messages/day -- so YMMV.

Best regards,
Tom Morrison
Liant Software Corporation

================================

Adding Namazu search capability to Mailman archives (Linux).

Download Namazu source (http://www.namazu.org/index.html.en) and install it.
Be sure that the pipermail.pl filter is installed.  I created a user account
(nmz) in which to store the indexes for multiple lists, and also as an
account to use to run cron periodically to reindex the archives.  The
structure of this account's directory was simply:
    /home/nmz
    /home/nmz/list1
    /home/nmz/list2
    ...
    /home/nmz/listn
where list1, list2, ... listn are the Mailman %(listname)s values for all
the lists that you wish to index.  

Copy all the NMZ.{head,foot,body,tips,result.normal,result.short} files into
each list's directory and customize them as needed for each list.  (This is
a tedious bit, but since Namazu and Mailman are not very cognizant of each
other, I didn't find any easy, template-driven way around this.  mknmz
rewrites all the NMZ.* head/foot files in place each time it rebuilds the
index.)

Create a shell script in the Namazu user account to run an index for each
mailing list; e.g.:
	mknmz -O list1 \
		 --media-type='text/html; x-type=pipermail' \
		 --template-dir=list1 \
		 /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/list1
	mknmz -O list2 \
		 --media-type='text/html; x-type=pipermail' \
		 --template-dir=list2 \
		 /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/list2
	...
	mknmz -O listn \
		 --media-type='text/html; x-type=pipermail' \
		 --template-dir=listn \
		 /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/listn

Run the shell script to create the indexes.

Create a directory for each list in the mailman/cgi-bin directory.  

Copy namazu.cgi into each mailman/cgi-bin/listi directory.  

Copy namazurc-sample to .namazurc in each mailman/cgi-bin/listi directory.

Edit .namazurc to have Index point to the Namazu account's home directory
(e.g. /home/nmz), and to have Template point to the appropriate index
directory in the Namazu account's home directory (e.g. /home/nmz/listi).

Set up a crontab entry for the nmz account periodically to run the shell
script.  

Edit the Mailman archive templates to add the search form used to invoke
namazu.cgi.  I added the following to archtoc.html:
<!--x-search-form-->
<form method="get" action="/mailman/%(listname)s/namazu.cgi">
<p><strong>Search String:</strong>
<input type="text" name="query" size="40">
<input type="submit" name="submit" value="Search!">
<input type="hidden" name="idxname" value="%(listname)s">
<a href="/mailman/namazu.cgi?idxname=%(listname)s">[How to search]</a><br>
<strong>Display:</strong>
<select name="max">
<option value="10">10</option>
<option selected value="20">20</option>
<option value="30">30</option>
<option value="50">50</option>
<option value="100">100</option>
</select>
<strong>Description:</strong>
<select name="result">
<option selected value="normal">normal</option>
<option value="short">short</option>
</select>
<select name="sort">
<option selected value="score">by score</option>
<option value="date:late">in reverse chronological order</option>
<option value="date:early">in chronological order</option>
<option value="field:subject:ascending">by title in ascending order</option>
<option value="field:subject:descending">by title in descending
order</option>
<option value="field:from:ascending">by author in ascending order</option>
<option value="field:from:descending">by author in descending order</option>
<option value="field:size:ascending">by size in ascending order</option>
<option value="field:size:descending">by size in descending order</option>
<option value="field:uri:ascending">by URI in ascending order</option>
<option value="field:uri:descending">by URI in descending order</option>
</select>
</p>
</form>

Finally, use 'bin/mailman restart' to restart Mailman, causing Mailman to
reload its cached html templates.




From relson at osagesoftware.com  Fri Jun 25 16:47:01 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:47:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] selected members to announcements only? (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <p0600201cbd01d9165103@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <b02010206-1034-CF9A42EAC6A811D8A0F000039385171A@[128.40.98.143]>
	<p0600201cbd01d9165103@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <20040625104701.39f687ec@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:31:55 +0200
Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 2:08 PM +0100 2004-06-25, Jason Davies wrote:
> 
> >  I just walked into one of those etiquette discussion joining this
> >  morning, didn't I?:-)
> 
> 	Yup.  Don't worry about it.  ;)
> 
> >  Some members of the list wish to receive announcements only rather
> >  than the rather messy  (but on-topic) discussions that have grown
> >  up. Is it possible within the same list to do this (eg to only have
> >  them receive my posts?) Or should I set up an announcement only
> >  list entirely separately? Thanks for any help (I suspect the latter
> >  but you never know...)
> 
> 	My advice would be to set up a separate announcement-only list. 
> Those who care will move, and you can send announcements to both. 
> That way, the people who want to continue discussing things won't 
> have to change anything, and the people who want to reduce their load 
> are the only affected users.

Brad & Jason,

That's roughly what I have set up for bogofilter -- a users list, an
announcements list (moderated), and a developers list.  The lists aren't
large and there's significant overlap among the subscribers.  

Here are the numbers:

  224 on users
   97 on devevelopers
  222 on announce
                                                                        
       
  303 only 1 list
   78 on   2 lists
   28 all  3 lists
  409 total
                                                                        
       

When I have a new release my practice has been to send it to users and
announce.

Regards,

David



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 16:55:25 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:55:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner: Low level smtp error
In-Reply-To: <200406251412.JAA06780@goodall.eng.auburn.edu>
References: <200406251412.JAA06780@goodall.eng.auburn.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002021bd01ecbfecaa@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:12 AM -0500 2004-06-25, Doug Hughes wrote:

>  initial mail queues to the daemon ok and then goes into the qfiles
>  directory, but then mailman qrunner processes it and I get this:
>
>  Jun 23 17:08:05 2004 (19334) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service
>  not known'), msgid:
>  <mailman.0.1088024883.19332.kerry-tech at potomacalliance.us>
>  Jun 23 17:08:05 2004 (19334) delivery to root at potomacalliance.us failed
>  with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known')
>
>  I've tried postfix and I've tried sendmail. Both give me the same
>  message. Has anybody seen this before?

	They don't have any advertised mail servers.  When you ask their 
nameservers for MX records, you get this:

% dig potomacalliance.us. mx

; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> potomacalliance.us. mx
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 33628
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;potomacalliance.us.            IN      MX

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
potomacalliance.us.     10631   IN      SOA     potomacalliance.us. 
doug.eng.auburn.edu. 1 7200 600 259200 14400

;; Query time: 28 msec
;; SERVER: 10.0.1.240#53(10.0.1.240)
;; WHEN: Fri Jun 25 16:53:26 2004
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 91

	Repeat this process, asking their advertised nameservers 
directly, and you get the same answer.  See also 
<http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=potomacalliance.us>.


	Note that eng.auburn.edu is one of the advertised nameservers for 
this zone.  You might want to see if you can get this problem fixed.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 17:01:56 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:01:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding Namazu search to Mailman
 archives
In-Reply-To: <auto-000002428215@liant.com>
References: <auto-000002428215@liant.com>
Message-ID: <p06002023bd01eecd680d@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:45 AM -0500 2004-06-25, Tom Morrison wrote:

>  The following may be useful.  I chose this technique because it was least
>  invasive on a stable Mailman configuration.  My Mailman lists do not have
>  heavy usage -- only about 20 messages/day -- so YMMV.

	Updated Mailman FAQ entry at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.008.htp> 
to link to this message.

	Thanks!

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From apoythre at skymail.csus.edu  Fri Jun 18 18:12:44 2004
From: apoythre at skymail.csus.edu (Poythress, Lynn)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:12:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman browswer question - initial set up
Message-ID: <A6CEC7C7D5E4C54A943742CE2295EF2B288D9A@VSL1A.saclink.csus.edu>

Hello,

I'm trying to install Mailman 2.1.4 on an HP-UX 11.00 machine.  I'm
using Apache 1.3.19.  I'm using the default URL set up in the
Defaults.py - which is our machine name 'my.host.name.edu'.  I haven't
added anything to the mm_cfg.py file.  I created the site list (at least
I think I did, where is that stored, anyway?).

When I'm on my web browser (IE) and I type http://my.host.name.edu:5556
- it brings up the generic Apache web page (5556 is our Apache port).
Now, what do I type to bring up the Mailman page?  If I type
http://my.host.name.edu/mailman - I get 'Cannot display page' and at the
bottom it says 'Cannot find server or DNS error'.

What am I doing wrong?  I'm not that familiar with list servers or web
servers.  I've just been told to install Mailman - so far, it's been
quite an ordeal!  Definitely a learning experience!

Thanks,
Lynn Poythress
California State University, Sacramento


From cybersAM at cyberbuss.com  Fri Jun 18 05:45:24 2004
From: cybersAM at cyberbuss.com (C y b e r sAM)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:45:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help list seems to be working but not sending
Message-ID: <40D26554.4030403@cyberbuss.com>

Mailman 2.1 seems to be running fine on my Unix Red Hat 9/Plesk 6.0 
server.  I can log in through the admin panel and change any setting, 
add my emails via mass subscription etc.  However, when I send an email 
to my list nothing gets delivered and I receive no undelivered message.

I have checked your site but cannot find out what might be causing this.

Everything within mailman seems to be working fine except that the "go 
to list archives" link goes to here: 
http://porky.devel.redhat.com/pipermail/listname/

FYI My Mailman 2.1 program came bundled with my plesk 6.0 server 
software.  Is it possible that it is installed incorrectly?

http://lists.cyberbuss.com/mailman/admin/
list name "dabuss" password = "marley"

Any information that you can provide that may help me solve this problem 
would be helpful.


Thanks in advance I am absolutely stumped.


C y b e r sAM
CYBERBUSS



From relson at osagesoftware.com  Fri Jun 25 17:29:38 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:29:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help list seems to be working but not sending
In-Reply-To: <40D26554.4030403@cyberbuss.com>
References: <40D26554.4030403@cyberbuss.com>
Message-ID: <20040625112938.670061d7@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:45:24 -0700
C y b e r sAM wrote:

> Mailman 2.1 seems to be running fine on my Unix Red Hat 9/Plesk 6.0 
> server.  I can log in through the admin panel and change any setting, 
> add my emails via mass subscription etc.  However, when I send an
> email to my list nothing gets delivered and I receive no undelivered
> message.
> 
> I have checked your site but cannot find out what might be causing
> this.
> 
> Everything within mailman seems to be working fine except that the "go
> 
> to list archives" link goes to here: 
> http://porky.devel.redhat.com/pipermail/listname/
> 
> FYI My Mailman 2.1 program came bundled with my plesk 6.0 server 
> software.  Is it possible that it is installed incorrectly?
> 
> http://lists.cyberbuss.com/mailman/admin/
> list name "dabuss" password = "marley"
> 
> Any information that you can provide that may help me solve this
> problem would be helpful.
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance I am absolutely stumped.

Hi CyberSam,

As a recent newbie I encountered similar problems.  So, I'll ask the
obvious questions:

Is qrunner running?  Have you run "mailmanctl start"?

Regards,

David



From rick at maddyhome.com  Mon Jun 21 08:35:30 2004
From: rick at maddyhome.com (Rick Maddy)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 00:35:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can list admin unsubscribe user via email?
Message-ID: <40D681B2.1020409@maddyhome.com>

I need a way for a list admin or moderator to be able to unsubscribe a 
user from the list via an email interface. I don't want the user to get 
a confirmation page first, just the notice that they have been unsubscribed.

I'm sending this email from a Java program. I've tried sending the email 
from the person I'm trying to unsubscribe to list-unsubscribe at host.com - 
this results in the user getting the confirmation - not what I want.

I've tried sending the email as the admin to list-request at host.com with 
the command 'unsubscribe [admin password] address=user.to.remove'

This gives me a bad password email to the admin. I assume it is looking 
for the user's password, not the admin's password.

I've read all the docs and FAQs and searched the archives but I can't 
find anything on this.

Help.

Rick



From rick at maddyhome.com  Wed Jun 23 04:01:04 2004
From: rick at maddyhome.com (Rick Maddy)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:01:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can list admin unsubscribe user via email?
Message-ID: <40D8E460.5040309@maddyhome.com>

I need a way for a list admin or moderator to be able to unsubscribe a
user from the list via an email interface. I don't want the user to get
a confirmation page first, just the notice that they have been unsubscribed.

I'm sending this email from a Java program. I've tried sending the email
from the person I'm trying to unsubscribe to list-unsubscribe at host.com -
this results in the user getting the confirmation - not what I want.

I've tried sending the email as the admin to list-request at host.com with
the command 'unsubscribe [admin password] address=user.to.remove'

This gives me a bad password email to the admin. I assume it is looking
for the user's password, not the admin's password.

I've read all the docs and FAQs and searched the archives but I can't
find anything on this.

Help.

Rick




From rbarnet at csareno.org  Thu Jun 24 00:04:03 2004
From: rbarnet at csareno.org (Richard Barnet)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:04:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help needed (announcement list vs. discussion list)
Message-ID: <9F84114945B1FF47834180163F17ACFB6761D5@csamail.csareno.org>

Hi,

I'm trying to set up two Mailman listservs (v. 2.1.5) as a list
administrator (my host, the real server administrators, installed it for
customer's usage).  Everything's working correctly, and I've been
through the settings more than a few times, but I can't seem to find out
how I can switch one of the lists into an "announcement only" (one-way)
broadcast list, as opposed to my other list which is geared toward group
discussion and encourages replies to the list.

I've poked around here for documentation:
http://www.list.org/admins.html
(which sends me here:)
http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/

and I've read this document:
http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html

but I don't see anything like this.  Certainly Mailman can do this, as
referenced here at another site:
http://www.lmi.net/services/mailman.php

Any help or direction would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.


Richard Barnet, Technology Analyst
Community Services Agency &
Development Corporation (CSA&DC)
1+ (775) 786-6023 x110
http://www.csareno.org/

=================
This email message and any attachments have
been automatically scanned by Symantec Mail
Security for the presence of computer virii.





From zakaria.chaanani at laposte.net  Mon Jun 14 16:43:51 2004
From: zakaria.chaanani at laposte.net (zakaria.chaanani)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:43:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman
Message-ID: <HZAZL3$D9BB320602D7FA7CA9B6299CA99A5087@laposte.net>

Hello,

My name is zakaria and i am a french student.
I begin my training course in a firm and i have to instal on linux a mailing list which is called "Mailman".
I have already set postfix and now i have some problem to instal and run mailman.

When i reboot the pc, it appears this error message :
==>" Starting mailman qrunnerSite list is missing : mailman        [EHEC]"

Can you please, tell me how to solve this problem , of course if you only have  an idea about this problem ?

Listen :  i am a beginner in the world which is called LINUX.

Thank you for you're help

Acc?dez au courrier ?lectronique de La Poste : www.laposte.net ; 
3615 LAPOSTENET (0,34?/mn) ; t?l : 08 92 68 13 50 (0,34?/mn)



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 18:04:57 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:04:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help list seems to be working but not
 sending
In-Reply-To: <40D26554.4030403@cyberbuss.com>
References: <40D26554.4030403@cyberbuss.com>
Message-ID: <p06002024bd01fd6ed5e0@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:45 PM -0700 2004-06-17, C y b e r sAM wrote:

>  Mailman 2.1 seems to be running fine on my Unix Red Hat 9/Plesk 6.0 server.
>  I can log in through the admin panel and change any setting, add my emails
>  via mass subscription etc.  However, when I send an email to my list nothing
>  gets delivered and I receive no undelivered message.

	See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp> 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.022.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From doug at eng.auburn.edu  Wed Jun 23 23:12:51 2004
From: doug at eng.auburn.edu (Doug Hughes)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:12:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner: Low level smtp error
In-Reply-To: <004101c455bd$0b810040$1964a8c0@bhavin>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0406231610040.3158-100000@goodall.eng.auburn.edu>


mailman 2.1.4-5
debian sarge

postfix (or sendmail)

initial mail queues to the daemon ok and then goes into the qfiles
directory, but then mailman qrunner processes it and I get this:

Jun 23 17:08:05 2004 (19334) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service
not known'), msgid:
<mailman.0.1088024883.19332.kerry-tech at potomacalliance.us>
Jun 23 17:08:05 2004 (19334) delivery to root at potomacalliance.us failed
with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known')

I've tried postfix and I've tried sendmail. Both give me the same
message. Has anybody seen this before?

I've never had this issue with an apt-get install mailman in the past.
Strange.






From J-fisher at pacbell.net  Fri Jun 25 03:36:33 2004
From: J-fisher at pacbell.net (Singles @ First Impressions)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:36:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailiman
Message-ID: <101701c45a54$d8f47a70$6501a8c0@Jim>

Good Day to you.
Does Mailman allow me mail to 2-5,000 addresses at one time? Won't my ISP, (broadband SBC/Yahoo) care? 
Thanks for your answer, and I really appreciate your efforts.
 
________________________________________________________
Jim Fisher, President
www.FirstImpressionsdating.com
Complete schedule of Events for Singles: 925 938-0497
MAILING ADDRESS 1867 Ygnacio Valley Road, #144, Walnut Creek, CA 94598 
Direct Line: 925 934-4670



From th at hellforge.org  Mon Jun 14 13:51:02 2004
From: th at hellforge.org (Thomas Sittig)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:51:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] command line problems
Message-ID: <opr9k1vcj4kvivwn@netwks26.net-communications.de>

hi,
i think, i ask this some times ago, but the problem is the same.
has anyone a idea, what can i do to work with the commandline scripte like  
"list_lists" from a php file.
i know, the problem are the rights. i try to put the standard wwwrun user  
to the mailman group ... without luck :\

i hope, i find now here a better idea ... or at least a tip, where i can  
find some hinds ;)



From netadmin at webintl.com  Thu Jun 24 18:32:18 2004
From: netadmin at webintl.com (netadmin)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:32:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman wihout web interface
In-Reply-To: <20040623140315.GA18985@server.onjapan.net>
References: <43202.195.212.28.100.1087530165.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
	<20040623140315.GA18985@server.onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <1088094738.3267.42.camel@trane.webintl.com>

On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 09:03, Jim Tittsler wrote:

> You might want to consider still using Apache, but limiting
> access to just localhost or your LAN, for administrator's use.

I have a feeling the restrictions might be port-based, maybe? If so, you
can always run apache on a different port.

Another consideration might be SSL on a different port, if you're
wanting encrypted communications.

-- 
Michael King
Systems Administrator
Web International, Inc.




From skip at pobox.com  Fri Jun 25 02:42:36 2004
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:42:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script to condense the review page
Message-ID: <16603.29948.763662.332842@montanaro.dyndns.org>

I help moderate a couple mailing lists on python.org.  The biggest challenge
for me is vetting messages which were held for review.  The information
density in the Mailman review page is pretty low, typically showing only two
or three messages per screen.  Most of the time all I'm really interested in
are the subject and the disposition buttons.  I wrote a script to display
just that information (and set the default disposition to "discard"):

    http://www.musi-cal.com/~skip/python/mmfold.py

The subject links to the full review page for that message, so you still
have access to all the bells and whistles available should you want them.

Ideally something like this will be incorporated into Mailman itself, but
for now mmfold.py is a reasonable substitute and should serve as a decent
place to experiment with other ideas.

-- 
Skip Montanaro
Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/submit.html
Got spam? http://www.spambayes.org/
skip at pobox.com



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 18:08:04 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:08:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman browswer question - initial
 set up
In-Reply-To: <A6CEC7C7D5E4C54A943742CE2295EF2B288D9A@VSL1A.saclink.csus.edu>
References: <A6CEC7C7D5E4C54A943742CE2295EF2B288D9A@VSL1A.saclink.csus.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002025bd01fdcdec01@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:12 AM -0700 2004-06-18, Poythress, Lynn wrote:

>  When I'm on my web browser (IE) and I type http://my.host.name.edu:5556
>  - it brings up the generic Apache web page (5556 is our Apache port).
>  Now, what do I type to bring up the Mailman page?  If I type
>  http://my.host.name.edu/mailman - I get 'Cannot display page' and at the
>  bottom it says 'Cannot find server or DNS error'.

	It sounds like you haven't finished the web server configuration 
to specify where the mailman stuff is stored.

	Go back to step 4 of the INSTALL document.  If you didn't get an 
install document with your copy of Mailman, see 
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/INSTALL?view=markup>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From krasic at galibier.cs.ubc.ca  Sat Jun 19 20:43:32 2004
From: krasic at galibier.cs.ubc.ca (Charles 'Buck' Krasic)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 11:43:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with email addresses in new mailman setup
Message-ID: <1087670612.24287.21.camel@galibier.cs.ubc.ca>

Hi,

I'm having a problem with e-mail address in mailman messages.

Briefly, I'm setting up a new site, for which I've recently registered a
new DNS name, and setup my own nameserver for that domain.

Things seem to be basically working, I can subscribe to my lists, make
postings, etc.   The problem is that I'm seeing an unexpected host name
in some of the e-mail messages.   I'm seeing 'ns.qstream.org' where I
expect to see 'lists.qstream.org'.

The domain is qstream.org.   The website is www.qstream.org (no
frontpage yet), and the name I'm using for mailman email is
lists.qstream.org.  

The mailman pages are at www.qstream.org/mailman/

The machine is running linux, Fedora Core 1.  I'm using postfix for the
mailer.  I've tried to follow the instructions in INSTALL.REDHAT and
README.POSTFIX.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

-- Buck






From matt at primefactor.com  Fri Jun 25 02:20:45 2004
From: matt at primefactor.com (Matt Perry)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:20:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] post got bad listname error
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0406241704470.16956-100000@salsa.frontleaf.com>

Hi.  I'm using Mailman v2.0.13 on Red Hat 7.2 and am running about 10
lists on it with no problems.  Yesterday I went and created a new list.  
I copied the output of newlist and put it into /etc/aliases.  I ran
newaliases, doublechecked everything and then sent a test message to the
list.  I got this error back:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post gwinnett-announce"
    (reason: 1)
    (expanded from: <gwinnett-announce at mydomain.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Mailman error: post got bad listname: gwinnett-announce
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1

I can't figure out why it doesn't see the list.  When I run bin/list_lists 
my new mailing list is in the output.  I can go to the web interface and 
configure the mailing list.  I just can't seem to send mail to it.

I've run newaliases and restarted sendmail.  I've run bin/check_perms and
everything is okay.  I've tried setting up another mailing list with the
same results.  My other mailing lists still work fine.  Any ideas?

-- 
Matt Perry | matt at primefactor dot com




From barbara.henderson at alcatel.com  Wed Jun 23 15:33:02 2004
From: barbara.henderson at alcatel.com (Barbara Henderson)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:33:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailng lists with Alcatel
Message-ID: <004e01c45926$9c0a3340$d04c788a@CATORW00022>

Hello,
 
I am trying to create mailing lists, but the link isn't working.  When I
click that link it says bad request.
 
Please help!
 
Barb


From billd at forest.net  Thu Jun 17 00:27:03 2004
From: billd at forest.net (William R. Dickson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:27:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure to find group name
Message-ID: <4A852415-BFE4-11D8-87C8-00039377F878@forest.net>

Hi all,

I've seen this error mentioned in the archives, but no answers for 
dealing with it:

      Failure to find group name nobody.  Try adding this group
      to your system, or re-run configure, providing an
      existing group name with the command line option --with-cgi-gid.

This is on FreeBSD 5.2.1, Python 2.3.4, Apache 2.0.49, and Mailman 
2.1.5.

I have two different FreeBSD 4.9 servers with Python 2.3.4, Apache 
1.3.27, and Mailman 2.1.3 -- the problem doesn't occur there.

If it matters, when I compiled Mailman on the new server, I used 
--with-cgi-gid=65534 -- so the software was able to determine that 
65534 is 'nobody' at that point.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

-Bill




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 18:09:22 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:09:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help needed (announcement list vs.
	discussion list)
In-Reply-To: <9F84114945B1FF47834180163F17ACFB6761D5@csamail.csareno.org>
References: <9F84114945B1FF47834180163F17ACFB6761D5@csamail.csareno.org>
Message-ID: <p06002026bd01fe8e1923@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:04 PM -0700 2004-06-23, Richard Barnet wrote:

>                      Everything's working correctly, and I've been
>  through the settings more than a few times, but I can't seem to find out
>  how I can switch one of the lists into an "announcement only" (one-way)
>  broadcast list, as opposed to my other list which is geared toward group
>  discussion and encourages replies to the list.

	Searching the FAQ for "announce" should have turned up the entry 
at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From boldis at rogers.com  Sat Jun 19 09:11:31 2004
From: boldis at rogers.com (Mircea Boldis S)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 03:11:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] more info pls
Message-ID: <004601c455cc$a5f78d10$b000a8c0@mirceasfr>

Hello,

I have install mailman in my website.
I want to get rid of one of one message in my archive.
I see like a solution :
a.. remove $prefix/archives/private/listname 
a.. edit $prefix/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox [optional] 
a.. run $prefix/bin/arch listname 

Ok, sounds good, but I have no idea from where to start.
Are these commands, if so where to type them ? Are from menu's ? ... 
Please help, because I don't want to see that message in my archive anymore, please.

Thank you in advance.
Mircea

From boss at modernskate.com  Mon Jun 14 00:16:57 2004
From: boss at modernskate.com (boss)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:16:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] e list
Message-ID: <000001c45194$24b778f0$6401a8c0@george>

My website is www.modernskate.com <http://www.modernskate.com/> .  We
have a newsletter mailing list.  I believe that we have this e mail list
management through thebook.com.  Is that true?  If so, how can I add a
bulk list of subscribers?
 
george


From canam at mnsi.net  Tue Jun 15 17:20:42 2004
From: canam at mnsi.net (John Posloski)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:20:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please Help Me - Spam Prevention
Message-ID: <40CF13CA.5080609@mnsi.net>


 Hello,

I am running a small mailing list with about 450 members usinf Mailman 
version 2.0.6. The list is configured to only allow a select group of 
people post to the list without approval.
I have been getting spammed by a couple of servers. It is getting 
onerous deleting the spam which get through.
 I have put in filters ( Hold posts with header value matching a 
specified regexp.) " from: .*@mdusystems.com" and "from: .*@intrehost.com"
Now I am getting messages from hb528.intrehost.com (unknown 
[66.17.227.138]) will a filter    from  .*@ *.intrehost.com" stop these 
messages from gettin to my approval area?

NB : This spammer also changes IP source addresses EG:  <Delivered-To: 
dealer-list at two.pairlist.net
Received: from hb528.intrehost.com (unknown [66.17.227.138])
<Delivered-To: dealer-list at two.pairlist.net
Received: from hb531.intrehost.com (unknown [66.17.227.121])
<Delivered-To: dealer-list at two.pairlist.net
Received: from hb529.intrehost.com (unknown [66.17.227.139])

 Etc.

 How do I stop this pest?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
 
Regards,
 Joh Posloski









From kamal2222ahmed at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 16 07:46:22 2004
From: kamal2222ahmed at yahoo.com (Kamal Ahmed)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:46:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending or receiving mail
Message-ID: <LKELKDKELDFNDCHNBJGCOEELCFAA.kamal2222ahmed@yahoo.com>

Hi,
I am using:
mailman 2.1.5
installed via tar/.make/make install
running on redhat 9
MTA = exim

The problem is that mailman is not receiving or sending out mail, and how
can i make sure that when it does start sending mail i would be able to send
mail to the LIST, and get distributed to all members.

I appreciate any help.

Thanks,.

-Kamal.




From levantinecenter at levantinecenter.org  Sun Jun 20 19:07:27 2004
From: levantinecenter at levantinecenter.org (levantinecenter at levantinecenter.org)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:07:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do we unsubscribe entire list?
Message-ID: <a06110407bcfb742f9798@[192.168.0.101]>

Dear Barry Warsaw,

I am trying to set up Mailman through our host, Hostway, to use 
Mailman as a newsletter
anounce list only. I have subscribed my list to it without yet 
posting a newsletter,
but I want to remove everyone first, and re-enter a whole new and revised list.
How can I mass-unsubscribe the list?

Also, is there a place where I can find the html code I need to post 
a subscribe
area for the newsletter delivered by Mailman on our site?
The page is http://www.levantinecenter.org/pages/signup3.html

thanks!

best, Jordan Elgrably



From kim at paintingitred.com  Fri Jun 18 15:55:47 2004
From: kim at paintingitred.com (kim at paintingitred.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:55:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative Database
Message-ID: <005b01c4553b$f5fb3910$71cac118@kimlaptop1>

I received an email stating I have post that are being held for approval but when I go to the Administrative Database it says there are no pending request.  How can I resolve this problem ASAP.  We have a newsletter that needs to go out and since we just switched server we have had slight problems with the mailing list.

website Paintingitred.com
bigkimbo administrator password gotohell
list name events at paintingitred.com password gotohell

From leandro.souza at intersix.com.br  Thu Jun 17 16:00:04 2004
From: leandro.souza at intersix.com.br (Leandro Souza)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:00:04 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is wrong?
Message-ID: <40D1A3E4.1050306@intersix.com.br>

Hi,

I?m instaled mailman-2.1.4 an exists one error that i?m not 
understanding, when i try to create a new mailing list:

"Error: You are not authorized to create new mailing lists"


Anybody helpme?


Thanks,
--Leandro
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From marcos at dgb.unam.mx  Thu Jun 24 20:54:31 2004
From: marcos at dgb.unam.mx (Ing. Marcos Rene Alvarez Moreno)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:54:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
Message-ID: <40DB2367.6060204@dgb.unam.mx>

Hello.

I have a question, im working with mailman 2.0.11, how do i send a 
attach to over 10000 users
accounts?
Can i create a list too big with mailman 2.0.11?

Is there a way or other to do this?

Greetings.
Marcos






From jeff at look.net  Fri Jun 25 20:07:20 2004
From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:07:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] more info pls
In-Reply-To: <004601c455cc$a5f78d10$b000a8c0@mirceasfr>
References: <004601c455cc$a5f78d10$b000a8c0@mirceasfr>
Message-ID: <801C130A-C6D2-11D8-8AD3-000A959666F6@look.net>


On Jun 19, 2004, at 3:11 AM, Mircea Boldis S wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have install mailman in my website.
> I want to get rid of one of one message in my archive.
> I see like a solution :
> a.. remove $prefix/archives/private/listname
> a.. edit $prefix/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox 
> [optional]
> a.. run $prefix/bin/arch listname

I would:

1. edit the message from $PREFIX/archives/private/list.mbox/list.mbox 
with a text editor or mail program (I often use mutt).

2. run '$PREFIX/bin/arch --wipe list' to wipe the old archive and 
create it anew.


-Jeff


>
> Ok, sounds good, but I have no idea from where to start.
> Are these commands, if so where to type them ? Are from menu's ? ...
> Please help, because I don't want to see that message in my archive 
> anymore, please.
>
> Thank you in advance.
> Mircea
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From jeff at look.net  Fri Jun 25 20:12:47 2004
From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:12:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do we unsubscribe entire list?
In-Reply-To: <a06110407bcfb742f9798@[192.168.0.101]>
References: <a06110407bcfb742f9798@[192.168.0.101]>
Message-ID: <43187D76-C6D3-11D8-8AD3-000A959666F6@look.net>


On Jun 20, 2004, at 1:07 PM, levantinecenter at levantinecenter.org wrote:

> Dear Barry Warsaw,
>
> I am trying to set up Mailman through our host, Hostway, to use 
> Mailman as a newsletter
> anounce list only. I have subscribed my list to it without yet posting 
> a newsletter,
> but I want to remove everyone first, and re-enter a whole new and 
> revised list.
> How can I mass-unsubscribe the list?

How about 'Mass Removal' which is just under 'Mass Subscription'?

If you have command line access you can easily do this with 
'$PREFIX/bin/remove_members'.

> Also, is there a place where I can find the html code I need to post a 
> subscribe
> area for the newsletter delivered by Mailman on our site?

See the FAQ:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.33


-Jeff




From St.Waidele at LinuxBasics.org  Fri Jun 25 20:58:35 2004
From: St.Waidele at LinuxBasics.org (Stefan Waidele jun.)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:58:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No footer
In-Reply-To: <p0600206dbd0055cd1373@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B0647AE@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>	<canc10$m6m$1@sea.gmane.org>	<p06002005bcf530ef5d2d@[10.0.1.3]>	<40D0143D.6030200@highstream.net>	<p0600200ebcf6139ac525@[10.0.1.3]>	<40D0690D.4010709@highstream.net>	<p06002011bcf61f0f747e@[10.0.1.3]>	<40D07180.6050700@highstream.net>	<p06002013bcf62d29c2a1@[10.0.1.3]>	<40D0E005.9030901@highstream.net>	<p06002020bcf69b86a0dd@[10.0.1.3]>	<40D17EBA.5060002@highstream.net>	<p0600202ebcf76875d987@[10.0.1.3]>	<40D1C426.6030707@highstream.net>	<p0600202fbcf77c487f23@[10.0.1.3]>
	<cb23sh$kol$1@sea.gmane.org> <p0600206dbd0055cd1373@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <cbhsj1$gkk$1@sea.gmane.org>

Brad Knowles wrote:
> [...]
>     Now, why aren't you able to use SMTPDirect?

Because when setting up the server, I did not find out how to use 
authenticated SMTP.

It seemed better to use Sendmail.py than running an open relay.

Thank you very much for your help in this matter. Even though it did not 
lead to an 'instant solution', I learned very much about mailman in the 
process.

Yours,

Stefan

PS: The problem is solved, as I will report the list in an answer to Jim 
Tittsler's post.




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 19:31:54 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:31:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] e list
In-Reply-To: <000001c45194$24b778f0$6401a8c0@george>
References: <000001c45194$24b778f0$6401a8c0@george>
Message-ID: <p06002029bd0211f5a552@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:16 PM -0400 2004-06-13, boss wrote:

>  My website is www.modernskate.com <http://www.modernskate.com/> .  We
>  have a newsletter mailing list.  I believe that we have this e mail list
>  management through thebook.com.  Is that true?  If so, how can I add a
>  bulk list of subscribers?

	You should probably talk to the people at thebook.com.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 19:34:22 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:34:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman
In-Reply-To: <HZAZL3$D9BB320602D7FA7CA9B6299CA99A5087@laposte.net>
References: <HZAZL3$D9BB320602D7FA7CA9B6299CA99A5087@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <p0600202abd02127ac496@[10.0.1.3]>

At 4:43 PM +0200 2004-06-14, zakaria\.chaanani wrote:

>  When i reboot the pc, it appears this error message :
>  ==>" Starting mailman qrunnerSite list is missing : mailman        [EHEC]"

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.025.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 19:37:47 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:37:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please Help Me - Spam Prevention
In-Reply-To: <40CF13CA.5080609@mnsi.net>
References: <40CF13CA.5080609@mnsi.net>
Message-ID: <p0600202bbd021306e57f@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:20 AM -0400 2004-06-15, John Posloski wrote:

>  Now I am getting messages from hb528.intrehost.com (unknown
>  [66.17.227.138]) will a filter    from  .*@ *.intrehost.com" stop
>  these messages from gettin to my approval area?

	Not sure if this will work with your version of Mailman, but see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.032.htp>.

	You may also want to install an anti-spam processing system on 
your server -- you could either incorporate this directly into your 
MTA, or you could try the alternative at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.023.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 19:39:24 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:39:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending or receiving mail
In-Reply-To: <LKELKDKELDFNDCHNBJGCOEELCFAA.kamal2222ahmed@yahoo.com>
References: <LKELKDKELDFNDCHNBJGCOEELCFAA.kamal2222ahmed@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p0600202cbd0213bd1051@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:46 AM -0400 2004-06-16, Kamal Ahmed wrote:

>  The problem is that mailman is not receiving or sending out mail, and how
>  can i make sure that when it does start sending mail i would be able to send
>  mail to the LIST, and get distributed to all members.

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 20:57:51 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:57:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure to find group name
In-Reply-To: <4A852415-BFE4-11D8-87C8-00039377F878@forest.net>
References: <4A852415-BFE4-11D8-87C8-00039377F878@forest.net>
Message-ID: <p0600202dbd0213dc177b@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:27 PM -0700 2004-06-16, William R. Dickson wrote:

>  If it matters, when I compiled Mailman on the new server, I used
>  --with-cgi-gid=65534 -- so the software was able to determine that
>  65534 is 'nobody' at that point.

	If you specify the group name numerically, then the system 
doesn't make any attempt to find the group name in question -- it 
simply uses the number you provided.

>  Any thoughts?

	Have you seen 
<http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg24656.html>?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 21:02:12 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:02:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] more info pls
In-Reply-To: <004601c455cc$a5f78d10$b000a8c0@mirceasfr>
References: <004601c455cc$a5f78d10$b000a8c0@mirceasfr>
Message-ID: <p0600202fbd02268f797b@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:11 AM -0400 2004-06-19, Mircea Boldis S wrote:

>  Ok, sounds good, but I have no idea from where to start.
>  Are these commands, if so where to type them ?

	These are commands that are run from the Unix shell prompt, on 
the files that are stored within the Mailman hierarchy.  There are no 
web/menu equivalents.

	It sounds like you need to take this thread and send this 
information to your Unix systems administrator.  You should also 
point them at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 20:59:14 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:59:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative Database
In-Reply-To: <005b01c4553b$f5fb3910$71cac118@kimlaptop1>
References: <005b01c4553b$f5fb3910$71cac118@kimlaptop1>
Message-ID: <p0600202ebd0226636f35@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:55 AM -0400 2004-06-18, <kim at paintingitred.com> wrote:

>  I received an email stating I have post that are being held for approval
>  but when I go to the Administrative Database it says there are no
>  pending request.

	This may be the "redirect" problem.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.045.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 21:05:02 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:05:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with email addresses in new mailman setup
In-Reply-To: <1087670612.24287.21.camel@galibier.cs.ubc.ca>
References: <1087670612.24287.21.camel@galibier.cs.ubc.ca>
Message-ID: <p06002030bd02277eb185@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:43 AM -0700 2004-06-19, Charles 'Buck' Krasic wrote:

>  Things seem to be basically working, I can subscribe to my lists, make
>  postings, etc.   The problem is that I'm seeing an unexpected host name
>  in some of the e-mail messages.   I'm seeing 'ns.qstream.org' where I
>  expect to see 'lists.qstream.org'.

	You've got problems with your DNS.  See 
<http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=qstream.org>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 21:10:02 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:10:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do we unsubscribe entire list?
In-Reply-To: <a06110407bcfb742f9798@[192.168.0.101]>
References: <a06110407bcfb742f9798@[192.168.0.101]>
Message-ID: <p06002031bd02284de1f6@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:07 AM -0700 2004-06-20, levantinecenter at levantinecenter.org wrote:

>  I am trying to set up Mailman through our host, Hostway, to use Mailman
>  as a newsletter anounce list only. I have subscribed my list to it
>  without yet posting a newsletter, but I want to remove everyone first,
>  and re-enter a whole new and revised list. How can I mass-unsubscribe
>  the list?

	Go to the "Mass Removal" page under the "Membership 
Management..." section of the web administration page for your list, 
or use the "remove_members" command from the Unix shell prompt (see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp>). 


-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 21:17:51 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:17:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman browswer question - initial
 set up
In-Reply-To: <A6CEC7C7D5E4C54A943742CE2295EF2B288DA1@VSL1A.saclink.csus.edu>
References: <A6CEC7C7D5E4C54A943742CE2295EF2B288DA1@VSL1A.saclink.csus.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002033bd022a355488@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:39 AM -0700 2004-06-25, Poythress, Lynn wrote:

>  o My apached (apache daemon) id is NOT in the same group as my mailman
>  id.

	I think that this is likely to be your problem.

>  o How do I subscribe myself to the site list?  I assume that means root?

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.025.htp>.

>  Please tell me what I've left out - I can't figure it out!  I'm pretty
>  sure it's something simple and I'm just can't see the forest for the
>  trees.

	My guess is that the problem lies in the group id mismatch.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 21:19:29 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:19:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] post got bad listname error
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0406241704470.16956-100000@salsa.frontleaf.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0406241704470.16956-100000@salsa.frontleaf.com>
Message-ID: <p06002034bd022b228bfb@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:20 PM -0700 2004-06-24, Matt Perry wrote:

>     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>  Mailman error: post got bad listname: gwinnett-announce
>  554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1
>
>  I can't figure out why it doesn't see the list.  When I run bin/list_lists
>  my new mailing list is in the output.  I can go to the web interface and
>  configure the mailing list.  I just can't seem to send mail to it.

	I'm not sure, but the message at 
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-March/003988.html> 
may be useful.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From St.Waidele at LinuxBasics.org  Fri Jun 25 21:31:51 2004
From: St.Waidele at LinuxBasics.org (Stefan Waidele jun.)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:31:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No footer
In-Reply-To: <20040624031453.GE26651@server.onjapan.net>
References: <p06002011bcf61f0f747e@[10.0.1.3]>	<40D07180.6050700@highstream.net>	<p06002013bcf62d29c2a1@[10.0.1.3]>	<40D0E005.9030901@highstream.net>	<p06002020bcf69b86a0dd@[10.0.1.3]>	<40D17EBA.5060002@highstream.net>	<p0600202ebcf76875d987@[10.0.1.3]>	<40D1C426.6030707@highstream.net>	<p0600202fbcf77c487f23@[10.0.1.3]>
	<cb23sh$kol$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<20040624031453.GE26651@server.onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <cbhuhd$m42$1@sea.gmane.org>

Jim Tittsler wrote:
> [...]
> Ah.  I think *I* was *that* person.

Sorry, I had to parse a forwarded copy of one part of the start of the 
thread. I even think the exchange was in PM, at least in part, so I 
quess you are right :)

> [...]
> Ah!  Python's smtplib module grew support for SMTP auth in
> version 2.2.  If you need only a single user/password, you
> could embed it in SMTPdirect:
> 
> --- /usr/local/src/mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py	2004-01-23 08:02:07.000000000 +0900
> +++ SMTPDirect.py	2004-06-24 11:55:29.420208168 +0900
> @@ -61,6 +61,7 @@
>      def __connect(self):
>          self.__conn = smtplib.SMTP()
>          self.__conn.connect(mm_cfg.SMTPHOST, mm_cfg.SMTPPORT)
> +        self.__conn.login('user', 'password')
>          self.__numsessions = mm_cfg.SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION
>  
>      def sendmail(self, envsender, recips, msgtext):
> 
> --- /usr/local/src/mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py

This is what I did, and things work perfectly.
Thank you very much. I had mixed feelings about using the unsafe 
Sendmail.py but it was still better than running an open relay.

> Cleaner alternatives might be to:
>  - if the user/passord are the same for all the lists, put them
>    in your mm_cfg.py and reference them here
> [...]
> It does seem a bug that Sendmail.py isn't doing the
> decoration...  I think most people are using SMTPDirect to
> inject their messages into their mail systems.

I think it is not a major bug in Sendmail.py, since the author strongly 
dissapproves its usage. It should be in there, since it is provided as 
an example. But I would not really consider it to be a 'bug'.

I consider it more important to support SMTP-auth in the widely used 
SMTPDirect.py module. (That is: without source-code changes done by the 
users)

When I installed mailman, I was looking for a way to use SMTP-auth but 
did not find any. Seems like it is the time to join the 
documentation-list, isn't it...? :)

Well,
thank you all very much for your help and for a wonderfull software.

Stefan




From St.Waidele at LinuxBasics.org  Fri Jun 25 21:37:29 2004
From: St.Waidele at LinuxBasics.org (Stefan Waidele jun.)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:37:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Problem with Sendmail SMTP-AUTH and Mailman
In-Reply-To: <1079494097.4405.85.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1079494097.4405.85.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <40DC7EF9.6040302@LinuxBasics.org>

Christopher Tyler wrote:
> I had Mailman working fine with Sendmail up until I enabled SMTP-AUTH in
> Sendmail.  The messages get to Mailman but are not delivered to the list
> members anymore because Mailman does not authenticate. Disabling
> SMTP-AUTH is not an option as we are an ISP and have users that require
> email on the road and such, and we do not wish to be blacklisted as an
> open relay.

That is exactly the problem I had.
The answer is in Jim Tittsler's message "Re: No footer" posted to this 
list on June 26th 2004.

Thought I'd post a pointer, since the subject does not reveal what 
treasure is inside :)

Yours,

Stefan

Jim Tittsler wrote:
 > [...]
> Ah!  Python's smtplib module grew support for SMTP auth in
> version 2.2.  If you need only a single user/password, you
> could embed it in SMTPdirect:
> 
> --- /usr/local/src/mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py	2004-01-23 08:02:07.000000000 +0900
> +++ SMTPDirect.py	2004-06-24 11:55:29.420208168 +0900
> @@ -61,6 +61,7 @@
>      def __connect(self):
>          self.__conn = smtplib.SMTP()
>          self.__conn.connect(mm_cfg.SMTPHOST, mm_cfg.SMTPPORT)
> +        self.__conn.login('user', 'password')
>          self.__numsessions = mm_cfg.SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION
>  
>      def sendmail(self, envsender, recips, msgtext):
> 
> --- /usr/local/src/mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py
> 
> Cleaner alternatives might be to:
>  - if the user/passord are the same for all the lists, put them
>    in your mm_cfg.py and reference them here
>  - add them to the affected list's MailList object (using
>    bin/withlist) and reference them here (guarded by an
>    'if' to make sure they exist)
> 
> 
>>> 




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 21:12:49 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:12:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <40DB2367.6060204@dgb.unam.mx>
References: <40DB2367.6060204@dgb.unam.mx>
Message-ID: <p06002032bd022935186b@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:54 PM -0500 2004-06-24, Ing. Marcos Rene Alvarez Moreno wrote:

>  I have a question, im working with mailman 2.0.11, how do i send a attach
>  to over 10000 users accounts?

	Create a normal mailing list, taking all defaults -- By default, 
Mailman won't strip or filter anything.  Subscribe your users.  Send 
the mail to the list -- See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.004.htp>.

>  Can i create a list too big with mailman 2.0.11?

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.015.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 21:31:50 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:31:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailng lists with Alcatel
In-Reply-To: <004e01c45926$9c0a3340$d04c788a@CATORW00022>
References: <004e01c45926$9c0a3340$d04c788a@CATORW00022>
Message-ID: <p06002037bd022e1b3e4b@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:33 AM -0400 2004-06-23, Barbara Henderson wrote:

>  I am trying to create mailing lists, but the link isn't working.  When I
>  click that link it says bad request.

	Please see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.022.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Fri Jun 25 21:38:10 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:38:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailiman
In-Reply-To: <101701c45a54$d8f47a70$6501a8c0@Jim>
References: <101701c45a54$d8f47a70$6501a8c0@Jim>
Message-ID: <p06002038bd022e2d42ad@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:36 PM -0700 2004-06-24, Singles @ First Impressions wrote:

>  Does Mailman allow me mail to 2-5,000 addresses at one time?

	You can have a large number of subscribers on a Mailman mailing 
list -- see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.015.htp>.

	How Mailman actually goes about the process of handing these 
messages out to the mail servers will depend on certain configuration 
items.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.002.htp>.

>  Won't my ISP, (broadband SBC/Yahoo) care?

	Depends on where your mailing list is installed, and how your 
server is configured.  If you install the list on a machine at your 
home, then odds are that your ISP probably *will* care.  You'd need 
to check with your ISP to see what you'd need to do in order to 
upgrade your service so that it allows this kind of thing.

	Alternatively, you could have the list hosted somewhere else. 
See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.017.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From fthommen at inf.ethz.ch  Fri Jun 25 22:58:44 2004
From: fthommen at inf.ethz.ch (Frank Thommen)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:58:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Updating MM 2.1.2 -> 2.1.5 "stucks"
Message-ID: <40DC9204.BFEFA1D9@inf.ethz.ch>

Hello list members,

while updating MM from 2.1.2 to 2.1.5, the process of updating gets
stucked at one specific maillist.  I added a 'print mlist' in 'def
update_pending()' after
'for listname in Utils.list_names():
        mlist = MailList.MailList(listname)'

to know where it happens:


# bin/update
Upgrading from version 0x20102f0 to 0x20105f0
getting rid of old source files
Updating mailing list: XXX
  [...updates all lists with one "could not acquire lock" message...]
Updating Usenet watermarks
- nothing to update here
Updating Mailman 2.1.4 pending.pck database
WARNING: Ignoring duplicate pending ID: 7544.
  [..warns for many more "pending IDs"..]
<mailing list "list1" (locked) at 4b8300>
<mailing list "list2" (locked) at 4bbdf0>


...and here the process waits/loops forever (at least more then three
hours...).  I ^C-stopped the update several times, but it gets always
stucked at the same list.



Two questions:

 * Any hints, what the problem could be and how it could be solved?
   (please be very specific if it comes to coding, I'm a Python
   dummy)

 * I've stopped our maillist system with 80 lists:  Can I restart
   MM 2.1.2 for the time being after this partial update or will
   that finally corrupt my system?


Thank you very much in advance for any hints.

   frank

----------
Frank Thommen, Informatik Support Gruppe, D-INFK, ETH Zuerich
E-Mail: fthommen at inf.ethz.ch; Tel: +41-1-63 27208 (Mo-Do)
Web: http://www.isg.inf.ethz.ch
----------



From jeanne at notes444.com  Sat Jun 26 01:09:55 2004
From: jeanne at notes444.com (Jeanne Goodman)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:09:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remote administrative requests list
Message-ID: <18b601c45b0b$94032b20$6500a8c0@Laptop>

Please forgive this ignorant question, but I can not seem to find the list of remote administrative commands.

I finally found the way to use the Approve: header but it would have been simpler if I could have found a guide.

Jeanne

From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat Jun 26 02:53:26 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:53:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending or receiving mail
In-Reply-To: <LKELKDKELDFNDCHNBJGCIEIGCFAA.kamal2222ahmed@yahoo.com>
References: <LKELKDKELDFNDCHNBJGCIEIGCFAA.kamal2222ahmed@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06002045bd0278e4c57e@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:26 PM -0400 2004-06-25, Kamal Ahmed wrote:

>  But as soon as i switched to Exim, instead of Postfix, Mailman started
>  working. If you (or anyone else) would like to know the working
>  configuration , i would be glad to share.

	That's weird.  There should be no practical difference between 
postfix and exim at this level.  I'd be willing to bet large sums of 
money that the real problem was something else.

	Unfortunately, we didn't get enough detail in your problem 
description, so the best we could do was to point you at general 
trouble-shooting tips.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From prodos at prodos.com  Sat Jun 26 15:58:57 2004
From: prodos at prodos.com (prodos at prodos.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 06:58:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thanks to Ed Greenberg for helping me set up
	mailman!
Message-ID: <20040626135857.31564.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net>

From: Prodos (Melbourne, Australia)

Good evening.

A while back I sent a note to the Mailman-users lists 
asking for help with setting up mailman on my server.

I would now like to say a MASSIVE THANKS to 
Ed Greenberg - http://EdGreenberg.com - who 
responded and has been so amazingly helpful
over the last few weeks.

He dealt with every issue that arose with great
care and patience and gave me excellent advice
along the way.

I am now in the middle of transferring my approximately
200 lists from YahooGroups to the new mailing list server
and am very happy with how Mailman is working.

Thanks Ed! 

(And I would like to also take this opportunity to express my
appreciation to the creators of Mailman and those who continue
to improve it!)

=]:-)

PRODOS

"The rich get richer. The poor get richer. Imagine ... Capitalism!"

http://CelebrateCapitalism.ORG



.






From prodos at prodos.com  Sat Jun 26 15:59:09 2004
From: prodos at prodos.com (prodos at prodos.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 06:59:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thanks to Ed Greenberg for helping me set up
	mailman!
Message-ID: <20040626135909.7368.qmail@webmail01.mesa1.secureserver.net>

From: Prodos (Melbourne, Australia)

Good evening.

A while back I sent a note to the Mailman-users lists 
asking for help with setting up mailman on my server.

I would now like to say a MASSIVE THANKS to 
Ed Greenberg - http://EdGreenberg.com - who 
responded and has been so amazingly helpful
over the last few weeks.

He dealt with every issue that arose with great
care and patience and gave me excellent advice
along the way.

I am now in the middle of transferring my approximately
200 lists from YahooGroups to the new mailing list server
and am very happy with how Mailman is working.

Thanks Ed! 

(And I would like to also take this opportunity to express my
appreciation to the creators of Mailman and those who continue
to improve it!)

=]:-)

PRODOS

"The rich get richer. The poor get richer. Imagine ... Capitalism!"

http://CelebrateCapitalism.ORG



.






From prodos at prodos.com  Sat Jun 26 15:59:13 2004
From: prodos at prodos.com (prodos at prodos.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 06:59:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thanks to Ed Greenberg for helping me set up
	mailman!
Message-ID: <20040626135913.3207.qmail@webmail-2-6.mesa1.secureserver.net>

From: Prodos (Melbourne, Australia)

Good evening.

A while back I sent a note to the Mailman-users lists 
asking for help with setting up mailman on my server.

I would now like to say a MASSIVE THANKS to 
Ed Greenberg - http://EdGreenberg.com - who 
responded and has been so amazingly helpful
over the last few weeks.

He dealt with every issue that arose with great
care and patience and gave me excellent advice
along the way.

I am now in the middle of transferring my approximately
200 lists from YahooGroups to the new mailing list server
and am very happy with how Mailman is working.

Thanks Ed! 

(And I would like to also take this opportunity to express my
appreciation to the creators of Mailman and those who continue
to improve it!)

=]:-)

PRODOS

"The rich get richer. The poor get richer. Imagine ... Capitalism!"

http://CelebrateCapitalism.ORG



.






From prodos at prodos.com  Sat Jun 26 15:59:17 2004
From: prodos at prodos.com (prodos at prodos.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 06:59:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thanks to Ed Greenberg for helping me set up
	mailman!
Message-ID: <20040626135917.2455.qmail@webmail02.mesa1.secureserver.net>

From: Prodos (Melbourne, Australia)

Good evening.

A while back I sent a note to the Mailman-users lists 
asking for help with setting up mailman on my server.

I would now like to say a MASSIVE THANKS to 
Ed Greenberg - http://EdGreenberg.com - who 
responded and has been so amazingly helpful
over the last few weeks.

He dealt with every issue that arose with great
care and patience and gave me excellent advice
along the way.

I am now in the middle of transferring my approximately
200 lists from YahooGroups to the new mailing list server
and am very happy with how Mailman is working.

Thanks Ed! 

(And I would like to also take this opportunity to express my
appreciation to the creators of Mailman and those who continue
to improve it!)

=]:-)

PRODOS

"The rich get richer. The poor get richer. Imagine ... Capitalism!"

http://CelebrateCapitalism.ORG



.






From prodos at prodos.com  Sat Jun 26 16:10:09 2004
From: prodos at prodos.com (prodos at prodos.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:10:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Oops! Sorry about that!
Message-ID: <20040626141009.11436.qmail@webmail-2-5.mesa1.secureserver.net>

From: Prodos

Oops! Sorry about sending the message (below) 4 times.

I had my "pop-up stopper" on and kept clicking SEND until I 
realized what was happening.

I'll be more careful next time.

Best Wishes,

PRODOS




> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thanks to Ed Greenberg for helping me set
> up	mailman!
> From: prodos at prodos.com
> Date: Sat, June 26, 2004 6:59 am
> To: "mailman-users" <mailman-users at python.org>
> 
> From: Prodos (Melbourne, Australia)
> 
> Good evening.
> 
> A while back I sent a note to the Mailman-users lists 
> asking for help with setting up mailman on my server.
> 
> I would now like to say a MASSIVE THANKS to 
> Ed Greenberg - http://EdGreenberg.com - who 
> responded and has been so amazingly helpful
> over the last few weeks.
> 
> He dealt with every issue that arose with great
> care and patience and gave me excellent advice
> along the way.
> 
> I am now in the middle of transferring my approximately
> 200 lists from YahooGroups to the new mailing list server
> and am very happy with how Mailman is working.
> 
> Thanks Ed! 
> 
> (And I would like to also take this opportunity to express my
> appreciation to the creators of Mailman and those who continue
> to improve it!)
> 
> =]:-)
> 
> PRODOS
> 
> "The rich get richer. The poor get richer. Imagine ... Capitalism!"
> 
> http://CelebrateCapitalism.ORG
> 
> 
> 
> .
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From apoythre at skymail.csus.edu  Fri Jun 25 18:39:47 2004
From: apoythre at skymail.csus.edu (Poythress, Lynn)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:39:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman browswer question - initial set up
Message-ID: <A6CEC7C7D5E4C54A943742CE2295EF2B288DA1@VSL1A.saclink.csus.edu>

Brad,

Thanks for the reply.  I 'think' I set up the web server configuration. 

o In Step 4 of the Install document I added the ScriptAlias to my apache
httpd.conf file.
o My apached (apache daemon) id is NOT in the same group as my mailman
id.  o I copied my mailman icons (there was only one - gnu-tiny-head) to
my apache icons directory.
o I have decided for the time being to take the defaults and not add
anything to the mm_cfg.py file
o I added the alias for pipermail to my apache httpd.conf file
o We're not doing internationalization - so I skipped that step.
o I stopped and started my apache server
o I followed the instructions to create the site-wide mailing list
o I ran config_list to configure the site list - I took all the defaults
o How do I subscribe myself to the site list?  I assume that means root?
o I've set up the crontab entries
o I've started the mailman qrunner daemon

Please tell me what I've left out - I can't figure it out!  I'm pretty
sure it's something simple and I'm just can't see the forest for the
trees.

Thanks for any insight you may have.

Lynn Poythress
California State University, Sacramento

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Knowles [mailto:brad.knowles at skynet.be] 
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:08 AM
To: Poythress, Lynn
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman browswer question - initial set up

At 9:12 AM -0700 2004-06-18, Poythress, Lynn wrote:

>  When I'm on my web browser (IE) and I type
http://my.host.name.edu:5556
>  - it brings up the generic Apache web page (5556 is our Apache port).
>  Now, what do I type to bring up the Mailman page?  If I type
>  http://my.host.name.edu/mailman - I get 'Cannot display page' and at
the
>  bottom it says 'Cannot find server or DNS error'.

	It sounds like you haven't finished the web server configuration

to specify where the mailman stuff is stored.

	Go back to step 4 of the INSTALL document.  If you didn't get an

install document with your copy of Mailman, see 
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/INSTALL?view=mark
up>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From apoythre at skymail.csus.edu  Fri Jun 25 22:00:28 2004
From: apoythre at skymail.csus.edu (Poythress, Lynn)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:00:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman browswer question - initial set up
Message-ID: <A6CEC7C7D5E4C54A943742CE2295EF2B01BFD7ED@VSL1A.saclink.csus.edu>

Thanks for the clarification on who should subscribe to the side list.

As far as my apached not being in the same group as mailman - maybe I'm
misunderstanding, but here's a quote from Step 4 of the install doc.

"You want to be very sure that the user id under which your CGI scripts
run (I took that to mean apached is that wrong?) is *not* in the
'mailman' group you created above, otherwise private archives will be
accessible to anyone."

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Knowles [mailto:brad.knowles at skynet.be] 
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 12:18 PM
To: Poythress, Lynn
Cc: Brad Knowles; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman browswer question - initial set up

At 9:39 AM -0700 2004-06-25, Poythress, Lynn wrote:

>  o My apached (apache daemon) id is NOT in the same group as my
mailman
>  id.

	I think that this is likely to be your problem.

>  o How do I subscribe myself to the site list?  I assume that means
root?

	See
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.025.htp>.

>  Please tell me what I've left out - I can't figure it out!  I'm
pretty
>  sure it's something simple and I'm just can't see the forest for the
>  trees.

	My guess is that the problem lies in the group id mismatch.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From jeanne at desksideguru.com  Fri Jun 25 21:53:47 2004
From: jeanne at desksideguru.com (Jeanne Goodman)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:53:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remote administrative requests list
Message-ID: <175401c45aee$39896b40$6500a8c0@Laptop>

Please forgive this ignorant question, but I can not seem to find the list of remote administrative commands.

I finally found the way to use the Approve: header but it would have been simpler if I could have found a guide.

Jeanne

From doug at eng.auburn.edu  Fri Jun 25 22:25:13 2004
From: doug at eng.auburn.edu (Doug Hughes)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:25:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner: Low level smtp error
In-Reply-To: <p06002021bd01ecbfecaa@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0406251522250.3158-100000@goodall.eng.auburn.edu>

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 9:12 AM -0500 2004-06-25, Doug Hughes wrote:
>
> >  initial mail queues to the daemon ok and then goes into the qfiles
> >  directory, but then mailman qrunner processes it and I get this:
> >
> >  Jun 23 17:08:05 2004 (19334) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service
> >  not known'), msgid:
> >  <mailman.0.1088024883.19332.kerry-tech at potomacalliance.us>
> >  Jun 23 17:08:05 2004 (19334) delivery to root at potomacalliance.us failed
> >  with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known')
> >
> >  I've tried postfix and I've tried sendmail. Both give me the same
> >  message. Has anybody seen this before?
>
> 	They don't have any advertised mail servers.  When you ask their
> nameservers for MX records, you get this:
>
> % dig potomacalliance.us. mx
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> potomacalliance.us. mx
> ;; global options:  printcmd
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 33628
> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
>
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;potomacalliance.us.            IN      MX
>
> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> potomacalliance.us.     10631   IN      SOA     potomacalliance.us.
> doug.eng.auburn.edu. 1 7200 600 259200 14400
>
> ;; Query time: 28 msec
> ;; SERVER: 10.0.1.240#53(10.0.1.240)
> ;; WHEN: Fri Jun 25 16:53:26 2004
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 91
>
> 	Repeat this process, asking their advertised nameservers
> directly, and you get the same answer.  See also
> <http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=potomacalliance.us>.
>
>
> 	Note that eng.auburn.edu is one of the advertised nameservers for
> this zone.  You might want to see if you can get this problem fixed.
>

adding MX did not help. still same error when qrunner runs.

And, I should have noticed this before. I have another server running
potato (mostly) with 2.0.13 and no issues (even though the source domain
has no MX).

Very odd..

running strace it does appear that it errors after several DNS look ups
(port 53) but prior to attempting a connection to port 25 anyplace.





From kamal2222ahmed at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 26 02:26:28 2004
From: kamal2222ahmed at yahoo.com (Kamal Ahmed)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:26:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending or receiving mail
In-Reply-To: <p0600202cbd0213bd1051@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <LKELKDKELDFNDCHNBJGCIEIGCFAA.kamal2222ahmed@yahoo.com>

Thanks, Brad,

But as soon as i switched to Exim, instead of Postfix, Mailman started
working. If you (or anyone else) would like to know the working
configuration , i would be glad to share.

Thanks again,

-Kamal.


-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Knowles [mailto:brad.knowles at skynet.be]
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 1:39 PM
To: kamal2222ahmed at yahoo.com
Cc: mailman-users at python.org; Kamal Ahmed
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending or receiving mail


At 1:46 AM -0400 2004-06-16, Kamal Ahmed wrote:

>  The problem is that mailman is not receiving or sending out mail, and how
>  can i make sure that when it does start sending mail i would be able to
send
>  mail to the LIST, and get distributed to all members.

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp>.

--
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat Jun 26 18:21:49 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:21:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner: Low level smtp error
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0406251522250.3158-100000@goodall.eng.auburn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0406251522250.3158-100000@goodall.eng.auburn.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002050bd0352ecdfad@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:25 PM -0500 2004-06-25, Doug Hughes wrote:

>  adding MX did not help. still same error when qrunner runs.
>
>  And, I should have noticed this before. I have another server running
>  potato (mostly) with 2.0.13 and no issues (even though the source domain
>  has no MX).

	Have you looked at the logs to see what is there?  Have you 
turned up the log level to show more data?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From ntk at seas.upenn.edu  Sat Jun 26 19:13:09 2004
From: ntk at seas.upenn.edu (Nathan Kennedy)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:13:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing HTML templates
Message-ID: <40DDAEA5.5090504@seas.upenn.edu>

Hello,
I am running Mailman 2.1.x on OpenBSD 3.5.  I wanted to customize the 
Mailman HTML, in particular the archive login page and the mail 
archives, to match the rest of my website.  Through the admin interface, 
I found that there were only three pages that I could edit, so I edited 
the HTML templates directly in /usr/local/lib/mailman/templates/en/.  
Then I did arch --wipe listname, and the changes to the archive HTML 
took effect and looked nice.

However, I was bewildered that the next time mail was sent to the list, 
the archive index was rebuilt using the default, original Mailman HTML.  
Again I did arch --wipe listname, and my changes took effect.

Why is it that when mail is sent to the list, it is not using the 
templates in mailman/templates/en, and where IS it getting the templates 
from?  It doesn't look like the templates are embedded in the list 
configuration, at least I could not find them there.  Seems odd that 
arch --wipe listname would have different behavior from how Mailman 
normally rebuilds the archive HTML when it gets mail.

-Nathan



From fthommen at inf.ethz.ch  Sat Jun 26 21:55:58 2004
From: fthommen at inf.ethz.ch (Frank Thommen)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:55:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help: MM 2.1.5 not working after failed update from
	2.1.2
Message-ID: <1088279758.40ddd4ce5f433@www.mail.inf.ethz.ch>

Hello list members,

as written in a previous posting, the upgrade from 2.1.2 to 2.1.5 failed.  When
I nevertheless start MM 2.1.5, I get around 20 of the following errors:

---
# mailmanctl start
Starting Mailman's master qrunner.
# Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/pack/mailman-2.1.5-inf/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/pack/mailman-2.1.5-inf/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main
    qrunner.run()
  File "/usr/pack/mailman-2.1.5-inf/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 70, in run
    filecnt = self._oneloop()
  File "/usr/pack/mailman-2.1.5-inf/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 99, in
_oneloop
    msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
  File "/usr/pack/mailman-2.1.5-inf/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 147, in
dequeue
    data = cPickle.load(fp)
EOFError
[...]
#
---

Mailman does not seem to deliver any mails after that.


When I then stop 2.1.5 and start 2.1.2, I get around a dozen of these errors:

---
Jun 26 21:43:27 2004 (1204) lost data files for filebase:
1088195523.0786779+4c5e6189f5cc4ba967f1556ffb911c03c84d6174
---

and I have the impression, that some maillists do not deliver, whereas other
deliver well.


Can anybody give hints how to debug or even correct this problem or the one
described in 'Updating MM 2.1.2 -> 2.1.5 "stucks"'
(http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg25414.html)?


Thanks a lot in advance

   frank

----------
Frank Thommen, Informatik Support Gruppe, D-INFK, ETH Zuerich
E-Mail: fthommen at inf.ethz.ch; Tel: +41-1-63 27208 (Mo-Do)
Web: http://www.isg.inf.ethz.ch
----------




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sat Jun 26 22:10:11 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:10:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing HTML templates
In-Reply-To: <40DDAEA5.5090504@seas.upenn.edu>
References: <40DDAEA5.5090504@seas.upenn.edu>
Message-ID: <D452CDCB-C7AC-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 26 Jun 2004, at 18:13, Nathan Kennedy wrote:

> Hello,
> I am running Mailman 2.1.x on OpenBSD 3.5.  I wanted to customize the 
> Mailman HTML, in particular the archive login page and the mail 
> archives, to match the rest of my website.  Through the admin 
> interface, I found that there were only three pages that I could edit, 
> so I edited the HTML templates directly in 
> /usr/local/lib/mailman/templates/en/.  Then I did arch --wipe 
> listname, and the changes to the archive HTML took effect and looked 
> nice.
>
> However, I was bewildered that the next time mail was sent to the 
> list, the archive index was rebuilt using the default, original 
> Mailman HTML.  Again I did arch --wipe listname, and my changes took 
> effect.
>
> Why is it that when mail is sent to the list, it is not using the 
> templates in mailman/templates/en, and where IS it getting the 
> templates from?  It doesn't look like the templates are embedded in 
> the list configuration, at least I could not find them there.  Seems 
> odd that arch --wipe listname would have different behavior from how 
> Mailman normally rebuilds the archive HTML when it gets mail.
>

Asked and answered in this posting to the list on 17th June 2004

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-June/037493.html

btw: as you have modified the templates in 
/usr/local/lib/mailman/templates/en/ you will lose those changes when 
you next upgrade Mailman. You should put your site and list specific 
changes as described in these comments form $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py:

<quote>
def findtext(templatefile, dict=None, raw=False, lang=None, mlist=None):
     # Make some text from a template file.  The order of searches 
depends on
     # whether mlist and lang are provided.  Once the templatefile is 
found,
     # string substitution is performed by interpolation in `dict'.  If 
`raw'
     # is false, the resulting text is wrapped/filled by calling wrap().
     #
     # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 
places
     # that are searched, in this order:
     #
     # 1. the list-specific language directory
     #    lists/<listname>/<language>
     #
     # 2. the domain-specific language directory
     #    templates/<list.host_name>/<language>
     #
     # 3. the site-wide language directory
     #    templates/site/<language>
     #
     # 4. the global default language directory
     #    templates/<language>
     #
     # The first match found stops the search.  In this way, you can 
specialize
     # templates at the desired level, or, if you use only the default
     # templates, you don't need to change anything.  You should never 
modify
     # files in the templates/<language> subdirectory, since Mailman will
     # overwrite these when you upgrade.  That's what the templates/site
     # language directories are for.
     #
     # A further complication is that the language to search for is 
determined
     # by both the `lang' and `mlist' arguments.  The search order there 
is
     # that if lang is given, then the 4 locations above are searched,
     # substituting lang for <language>.  If no match is found, and 
mlist is
     # given, then the 4 locations are searched using the list's 
preferred
     # language.  After that, the server default language is used for
     # <language>.  If that still doesn't yield a template, then the 
standard
     # distribution's English language template is used as an ultimate
     # fallback.  If that's missing you've got big problems. ;)
</quote>

> -Nathan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sat Jun 26 22:44:12 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:44:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing HTML templates
In-Reply-To: <D452CDCB-C7AC-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <40DDAEA5.5090504@seas.upenn.edu>
	<D452CDCB-C7AC-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06002052bd03907e4df5@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:10 PM +0100 2004-06-26, Richard Barrett wrote:

>  Asked and answered in this posting to the list on 17th June 2004
>
>  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-June/037493.html

	Now incorporated into the FAQ at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp>.

	Thanks!

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Sat Jun 26 23:38:39 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 06:38:39 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Updating MM 2.1.2 -> 2.1.5 "stucks"
In-Reply-To: <40DC9204.BFEFA1D9@inf.ethz.ch>
References: <40DC9204.BFEFA1D9@inf.ethz.ch>
Message-ID: <40DDECDF.6070002@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

Frank Thommen wrote:

> Hello list members,
> 
> while updating MM from 2.1.2 to 2.1.5, the process of updating gets
> stucked at one specific maillist.  I added a 'print mlist' in 'def

> ...and here the process waits/loops forever (at least more then three
> hours...).  I ^C-stopped the update several times, but it gets always
> stucked at the same list.

Examin the locks directory if there are lock files remained before
executing bin/update. Make sure you stop qrunner and SMTP and clear
the locks directory before issuing 'bin/update -f'.

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Sat Jun 26 23:51:47 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 06:51:47 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman browswer question - initial set up
In-Reply-To: <A6CEC7C7D5E4C54A943742CE2295EF2B288D9A@VSL1A.saclink.csus.edu>
References: <A6CEC7C7D5E4C54A943742CE2295EF2B288D9A@VSL1A.saclink.csus.edu>
Message-ID: <40DDEFF3.1030609@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

> When I'm on my web browser (IE) and I type http://my.host.name.edu:5556
> - it brings up the generic Apache web page (5556 is our Apache port).
> Now, what do I type to bring up the Mailman page?  If I type
> http://my.host.name.edu/mailman - I get 'Cannot display page' and at the
> bottom it says 'Cannot find server or DNS error'.

Looks like you should add
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:5556/mailman/'
in your mm_cfg.py file.
You should also type 'http://my.host.name.edu:5556/mailman/listinfo'
to display a start page.


-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From fthommen at inf.ethz.ch  Sun Jun 27 00:04:22 2004
From: fthommen at inf.ethz.ch (Frank Thommen)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:04:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Updating MM 2.1.2 -> 2.1.5 "stucks"
Message-ID: <1088287462.40ddf2e6caafd@www.mail.inf.ethz.ch>

Hi


>> ...and here the process waits/loops forever (at least more then three
>> hours...).  I ^C-stopped the update several times, but it gets always
>> stucked at the same list.
> 
> Examin the locks directory if there are lock files remained before
> executing bin/update. Make sure you stop qrunner and SMTP and clear
> the locks directory before issuing 'bin/update -f'.


Thanks.  I did, but it didn't help.  While updating I also get the following
errors at some lists (not the same ones, where 'update' hangs):


---
Updating mailing list: XXXX
Updating the held requests database.
- updating old private mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
- updating old public mbox file
- This list looks like it might have <= b4 list templates around
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/pack/mailman-2.1.5-inf/bin/update", line 782, in ?
    errors = main()
  File "/usr/pack/mailman-2.1.5-inf/bin/update", line 672, in main
    errors = errors + dolist(listname)
  File "/usr/pack/mailman-2.1.5-inf/bin/update", line 357, in dolist
    os.rename(o_tmpl, n_tmpl)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
---


update exits at this point, but the next time it is run, the error does not
appear any more (-> I have to run 'update' three times to get rid of all these
errors).  These errors always appear, when 'update' is run after MM 2.1.2 has
been used.


Any other ideas or hints?


frank





From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Sun Jun 27 03:58:56 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:58:56 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Updating MM 2.1.2 -> 2.1.5 "stucks"
In-Reply-To: <1088287462.40ddf2e6caafd@www.mail.inf.ethz.ch>
References: <1088287462.40ddf2e6caafd@www.mail.inf.ethz.ch>
Message-ID: <40DE29E0.9080108@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>


> update exits at this point, but the next time it is run, the error does not
> appear any more (-> I have to run 'update' three times to get rid of all these
> errors).  These errors always appear, when 'update' is run after MM 2.1.2 has
> been used.

OK. You have done with update to 2.1.5. Don't go back to 2.1.2.

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From pdellama at employees.org  Sun Jun 27 04:04:46 2004
From: pdellama at employees.org (Paul L. Della Maggiora)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:04:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Code for allowing web-based delete and create lists
Message-ID: <40DE2B3E.3080706@employees.org>

Hello, we run a non-profit server that includes mailman for our users.  
Is there a web interface for allowing the creation or deletion of 
lists?  Couldn't find anything except the ~mailman/bin commands.  TIA



From michael at espersunited.com  Sun Jun 27 04:33:37 2004
From: michael at espersunited.com (Michael Sullivan)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:33:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST question
Message-ID: <1088303617.2582.37.camel@baby.espersunited.com>

I have a question.  I use Fedora Core 1 and I just got mailman up and
working today.  I guess this is sort of a tweaking question.  I set my
mm_cfg.py's DEFAULT_URL_HOST to www.espersunited.com (my domain) and
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST to bullet.espersunited.com (I tried using just plain
espersunited.com, but then it wouldn't send me mailing list creation
notices and wouldn't let me post messages to the list - and the machine
the servers are installed on is named bullet.)  I then set up a mailing
list for family news called sullivanfamily.  I subscribed myself to the
sullivanfamily list.  Mailman sent me a request for subscription
confirmation (from sullivanfamily-request at espersunited.com, since
sendmail aliases all mail from bullet to say they are from
<user>@espersunited.com.).  The problem is that when I reply to that
message I get an error that says that
sullivanfamily-request at espersunited.com is an unknown user.  In order to
get the confirmation response sent off I have to edit the To:  field to
say sullivanfamily-request at bullet.espersunited.com, because
bullet.espersunited.com is what I had to set my DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST to in
order to get it to work.  I want subscribers to be able to send their
subscription confirmation to sullivanfamily-request at espersunited.com
instead of @bullet.espersunited.com.  Is there any way to do this?




From msapiro at value.net  Sun Jun 27 05:03:17 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:03:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Code for allowing web-based delete and create
	lists
In-Reply-To: <40DE2B3E.3080706@employees.org>
Message-ID: <PC1700200406262003170500f97c3e05@Notebook>

Paul L. Della Maggiora wrote:

>Is there a web interface for allowing the creation or deletion of 
>lists?

http://your.web.host/mailman/create also linked from the Admin overview
page (http://your.web.host/mailman/admin).

I don't know about deletion.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun Jun 27 05:11:21 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 05:11:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Code for allowing web-based delete
	and create lists
In-Reply-To: <40DE2B3E.3080706@employees.org>
References: <40DE2B3E.3080706@employees.org>
Message-ID: <p06002055bd03eaf58206@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:04 PM -0400 2004-06-26, Paul L. Della Maggiora wrote:

>  Hello, we run a non-profit server that includes mailman for our users.
>  Is there a web interface for allowing the creation or deletion of lists?
>  Couldn't find anything except the ~mailman/bin commands.  TIA

	Unless you have made significant changes, the main admin web 
interface index page includes a link to allow a site administrator to 
create a new list.  If you have enabled the appropriate features in 
mm_cfg.py, list administrators can delete any list that they have 
access to.

	See the documentation for more information, and FAQ entry 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.022.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From michael at espersunited.com  Sun Jun 27 05:16:38 2004
From: michael at espersunited.com (Michael Sullivan)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:16:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Won't allow other addresses to subscribe
Message-ID: <1088306197.2582.48.camel@baby.espersunited.com>

I've set up my sullivanfamily list and set all subscriptions to be
approved by me (michael at espersunited.com).  I can subscribe
michael at espersunited.com and approve myself and post to the list, but
when I try to subscribe any other addresses (such as my tulsacoxmail.com
email address) it shows me the page "Your request has been sent to the
list owner for approval...", but I never get it and the Moderator
requests page doesn't even mention that a subscription decision is
pending.  How do I fix this?
-Michael Sullivan-




From doug at eng.auburn.edu  Sun Jun 27 04:39:53 2004
From: doug at eng.auburn.edu (Doug Hughes)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:39:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner: Low level smtp error
In-Reply-To: <p06002050bd0352ecdfad@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0406262135390.733-100000@goodall.eng.auburn.edu>

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 3:25 PM -0500 2004-06-25, Doug Hughes wrote:
>
> >  adding MX did not help. still same error when qrunner runs.
> >
> >  And, I should have noticed this before. I have another server running
> >  potato (mostly) with 2.0.13 and no issues (even though the source domain
> >  has no MX).
>
> 	Have you looked at the logs to see what is there?  Have you
> turned up the log level to show more data?
>

yeah, logs are pretty much as they were before
smtp-failure log:
Jun 26 22:34:20 2004 (25633) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service not known'), msgid: <mailman.0.1088251205.27238.kerry-tech at potomacalliance.us>
Jun 26 22:34:20 2004 (25633) delivery to kerry-tech-owner at potomacalliance.us failed with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known')
Jun 26 22:34:20 2004 (25633) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service not known'), msgid: <mailman.0.1088251207.27235.kerry-tech at potomacalliance.us>
Jun 26 22:34:20 2004 (25633) delivery to kerry-tech-owner at potomacalliance.us failed with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known')
Jun 26 22:34:20 2004 (25633) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service not known'), msgid: <mailman.0.1088303031.28874.kerry-tech at potomacalliance.us>
Jun 26 22:34:20 2004 (25633) delivery to doug at eng.auburn.edu failed with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known')
Jun 26 22:34:20 2004 (25633) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or service not known'), msgid: <mailman.0.1088303054.28878.kerry-tech at potomacalliance.us>
Jun 26 22:34:20 2004 (25633) delivery to doug at eng.auburn.edu failed with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known')

I've tried running qrunner, but it doesn't show anything further.

Oddly, I did receive some messages today, but the errors come, and it took
days for them to get through. I sent another test through and got the same
sorts of log messages. I know it's not the MX this time.

puzzling.
I don't the possibility that I've forgotten something mindboggling simple,
but I've been running various mailman setups in similar format for past
5+ years and this is the first time I've encountered this.

	Doug




From doug at eng.auburn.edu  Sun Jun 27 04:56:28 2004
From: doug at eng.auburn.edu (Doug Hughes)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:56:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner: Low level smtp error
In-Reply-To: <p06002050bd0352ecdfad@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0406262155140.733-100000@goodall.eng.auburn.edu>

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 3:25 PM -0500 2004-06-25, Doug Hughes wrote:
>
> >  adding MX did not help. still same error when qrunner runs.
> >
> >  And, I should have noticed this before. I have another server running
> >  potato (mostly) with 2.0.13 and no issues (even though the source domain
> >  has no MX).
>
> 	Have you looked at the logs to see what is there?  Have you
> turned up the log level to show more data?
>

nevermind. I figured it out with some help from ethereal. The virtual
server I had purchased lacked an /etc/hosts entry for localhost at
127.0.0.1 and qrunner didn't like that. I added that in and all appears
to be fixed.

Strange message in smtp-failure though..

	Doug





From michael at espersunited.com  Sun Jun 27 22:28:57 2004
From: michael at espersunited.com (Michael Sullivan)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:28:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation and setup plea
Message-ID: <1088368136.18730.24.camel@baby.espersunited.com>

Is there anyone out there who is willing to help me set up mailman on my
Fedora Core system?  I used the rpm and now I can't even get it to send
me a notification email when I set up a new list using newlist when I'm
the list owner.




From edg at greenberg.org  Sun Jun 27 23:03:28 2004
From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:03:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Code for allowing web-based delete and create
	lists
In-Reply-To: <40DE2B3E.3080706@employees.org>
References: <40DE2B3E.3080706@employees.org>
Message-ID: <8DECD63EF05A073508D28AFF@[192.168.1.99]>

I just went through this...

Mailman allows for creation of lists by going to 
http://webaddress/mailman/create

If you enable the proper variable, you can delete a list from it's admin 
page.

For postfix, there is some good integration between mailman and postfix.

Note that for sendmail, you need to do a manual process to enable the list 
addresses in the alias file.   There is an automation in the contrib 
directory which permits the integration you would expect, but it has 
several caveats. Read carefully.

I recently did a hack to give postfix-style automation to the 
mailman/sendmail interface and posted a procedure here, requesting 
feedback. Didn't get any, so I'm not sure if it's got serious problems. I 
don't create lists very often, but it works for me and for one customer for 
whom I installed it.  Check the archives for a posting called "Please 
review this procedure for sendmail integration" which was posted on 
6/19/2004.

</edg>





--On Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:04 PM -0400 "Paul L. Della Maggiora" 
<pdellama at employees.org> wrote:

> Hello, we run a non-profit server that includes mailman for our users.
> Is there a web interface for allowing the creation or deletion of lists?
> Couldn't find anything except the ~mailman/bin commands.  TIA
> 



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun Jun 27 22:30:22 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:30:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Won't allow other addresses to
 subscribe
In-Reply-To: <1088306197.2582.48.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
References: <1088306197.2582.48.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
Message-ID: <p06002056bd04debd1340@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:16 PM -0500 2004-06-26, Michael Sullivan wrote:

>  I've set up my sullivanfamily list and set all subscriptions to be
>  approved by me (michael at espersunited.com).  I can subscribe
>  michael at espersunited.com and approve myself and post to the list, but
>  when I try to subscribe any other addresses (such as my tulsacoxmail.com
>  email address) it shows me the page "Your request has been sent to the
>  list owner for approval...", but I never get it and the Moderator
>  requests page doesn't even mention that a subscription decision is
>  pending.  How do I fix this?

	What's in your Mailman logs?  What's in the logs of the mail server?

	See also 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.022.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun Jun 27 23:25:27 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:25:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Code for allowing web-based delete and create
	lists
In-Reply-To: <8DECD63EF05A073508D28AFF@[192.168.1.99]>
References: <40DE2B3E.3080706@employees.org>
	<8DECD63EF05A073508D28AFF@[192.168.1.99]>
Message-ID: <827932E6-C880-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 27 Jun 2004, at 22:03, Ed Greenberg wrote:

> I just went through this...
>
> Mailman allows for creation of lists by going to 
> http://webaddress/mailman/create
>
> If you enable the proper variable, you can delete a list from it's 
> admin page.
>
> For postfix, there is some good integration between mailman and 
> postfix.
>
> Note that for sendmail, you need to do a manual process to enable the 
> list addresses in the alias file.   There is an automation in the 
> contrib directory which permits the integration you would expect, but 
> it has several caveats.

There is the following Mailman patch which avoids some of the decisive 
problems with David Champion' contrib to MM but suffers from the 
problems inherent in Sendmail including those regards to virtual 
hosting. But the patch completely eliminates maintenance of the alias 
database if it can be deployed in you environment:

http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mailman/patches/644810/index.html

> Read carefully.
>
> I recently did a hack to give postfix-style automation to the 
> mailman/sendmail interface and posted a procedure here, requesting 
> feedback. Didn't get any, so I'm not sure if it's got serious 
> problems. I don't create lists very often, but it works for me and for 
> one customer for whom I installed it.  Check the archives for a 
> posting called "Please review this procedure for sendmail integration" 
> which was posted on 6/19/2004.
>
> </edg>
>
>
>
>
>
> --On Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:04 PM -0400 "Paul L. Della Maggiora" 
> <pdellama at employees.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello, we run a non-profit server that includes mailman for our users.
>> Is there a web interface for allowing the creation or deletion of 
>> lists?
>> Couldn't find anything except the ~mailman/bin commands.  TIA




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Sun Jun 27 23:27:58 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:27:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Code for allowing web-based delete
	and create 	lists
In-Reply-To: <8DECD63EF05A073508D28AFF@[192.168.1.99]>
References: <40DE2B3E.3080706@employees.org>
	<8DECD63EF05A073508D28AFF@[192.168.1.99]>
Message-ID: <p0600205dbd04ea39c443@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:03 PM -0700 2004-06-27, Ed Greenberg wrote:

>  I recently did a hack to give postfix-style automation to the
>  mailman/sendmail interface and posted a procedure here, requesting
>  feedback.

	Sorry, there's been some major problems with the mail server for 
python.org, and I don't recall seeing this one.  I must have missed 
it.

>             Didn't get any, so I'm not sure if it's got serious problems.
>  I don't create lists very often, but it works for me and for one customer
>  for whom I installed it.  Check the archives for a posting called "Please
>  review this procedure for sendmail integration" which was posted on
>  6/19/2004.

	One thing I'd recommend is to upload this as a suggested patch 
for Mailman to the SourceForge site, so that the programmers can see 
it in the tracking system and look at it for consideration for 
inclusion in upcoming versions.

	I've also created a FAQ entry which points to this message.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.049.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From steve at portigal.com  Mon Jun 28 04:15:14 2004
From: steve at portigal.com (Steve Portigal)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:15:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listowners list?
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040627191511.01e4f720@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com>

I found this post in the archive, but no response. I'm also not 
getting anywhere with listowner.org - the domain is active and last 
was changed in January.

I have been using majordomo for many many years and am a couple of 
days into my first mailman list, as a customer of an ISP, and I'm 
looking for an appropriate resource to configuration help from my 
level (i.e., not the system access that the folks here are oriented 
towards).

Thanks so much for any info

Steve
--------------

From: texas critter - mailman-users
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Listowners list down?
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:13:55 -0700


Does anyone know what happened to the List Owners list at listowner.org?
The last post I got was on April 1st and the domain has been unreachable
since then too.

hth,
texas critter

--
EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/



Steve Portigal
http://www.portigal.com
Note: we'll be changing servers this weekend so portigal.com (website 
and email) may be temporarily unavailable 




From socrates at dzinedbymills.com  Mon Jun 28 06:48:57 2004
From: socrates at dzinedbymills.com (R. Anthony Mills)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:48:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe form in HTML email
Message-ID: <000a01c45ccb$3a506400$2f01a8c0@TOSHIBA2400>


Is there a way to include the subscribe form into HTML newsletters?
Currently have one:

<!-- BEGIN SUBSCRIPTION -->
<form method=post
action="http://mail.efluential.com/mailman/subscribe/sugar_efluential.co
m">
<p align="center"><strong>SUBSCRIBING to SUGAR</strong></p> <p>Subscribe
to Sugar by filling out the following form. You will be sent email
requesting confirmation, to prevent others from gratuitously subscribing
you. This is a hidden list, which means that the list of members is
available only to the list administrator.<br><br>

eMail: &nbsp; 
<input type="Text" name="email" size="30" value="enter your email
address here"><br><br>
		
Name: &nbsp; 
<input type="Text" name="fullname" size="30" value=""> 
<input type="submit" name="email-button" value="SIGN UP!"
class="submit"></form>
<!-- END SUBSCRIPTION -->

but it gives the following message:

Sugar Subscription results
You must supply a valid email address.


Is there a suggested way to prevent from receiving this message?


- Mills.

============================================ 
"There are only two things that prevent you
from accomplishing your goals -- fear and
self doubt. When you learn to trust yourself
and ask for help, the world gets a whole lot
easier."                        - Wyatt Webb
============================================




From fthommen at inf.ethz.ch  Mon Jun 28 11:41:16 2004
From: fthommen at inf.ethz.ch (Frank Thommen)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:41:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Updating MM 2.1.2 -> 2.1.5 "stucks"
References: <1088287462.40ddf2e6caafd@www.mail.inf.ethz.ch>
	<40DE29E0.9080108@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <40DFE7BC.D3731312@inf.ethz.ch>

> > update exits at this point, but the next time it is run, the error does not
> > appear any more (-> I have to run 'update' three times to get rid of all these
> > errors).  These errors always appear, when 'update' is run after MM 2.1.2 has
> > been used.
> 
> OK. You have done with update to 2.1.5. Don't go back to 2.1.2.


I cannot use 2.1.5:  It does not deliver any mails after giving me the
following errors (around 20 times) at start time:

---
# mailmanctl start
Starting Mailman's master qrunner.
# Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/pack/mailman-2.1.5-inf/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/pack/mailman-2.1.5-inf/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main
    qrunner.run()
  File "/usr/pack/mailman-2.1.5-inf/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 70,
in run
    filecnt = self._oneloop()
  File "/usr/pack/mailman-2.1.5-inf/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 99,
in
_oneloop
    msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
  File "/usr/pack/mailman-2.1.5-inf/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line
147, in
dequeue
    data = cPickle.load(fp)
EOFError
[...]
#
---

2.1.2 at least still delivers mails.

I'm helpless


  frank



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Jun 28 11:42:44 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:42:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listowners list?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040627191511.01e4f720@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com>
References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040627191511.01e4f720@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06002002bd05982a1361@[10.0.1.6]>

At 7:15 PM -0700 2004-06-27, Steve Portigal wrote:

>  I have been using majordomo for many many years and am a couple of days
>  into my first mailman list, as a customer of an ISP, and I'm looking for
>  an appropriate resource to configuration help from my level (i.e., not
>  the system access that the folks here are oriented towards).

	The only Mailman-related mailing lists I know of are 
mailman-users and mailman-developers.  I'm not aware of any 
Mailman-related mailing list that is exclusively oriented towards 
just list owners.

	If you know of any or find out about some, please let us know.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Jun 28 13:00:30 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:00:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listowners list?
In-Reply-To: <p06002002bd05982a1361@[10.0.1.6]>
References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040627191511.01e4f720@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com>
	<p06002002bd05982a1361@[10.0.1.6]>
Message-ID: <5F061C9C-C8F2-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

Brad

On 28 Jun 2004, at 10:42, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 7:15 PM -0700 2004-06-27, Steve Portigal wrote:
>
>>  I have been using majordomo for many many years and am a couple of 
>> days
>>  into my first mailman list, as a customer of an ISP, and I'm looking 
>> for
>>  an appropriate resource to configuration help from my level (i.e., 
>> not
>>  the system access that the folks here are oriented towards).
>
> 	The only Mailman-related mailing lists I know of are mailman-users 
> and mailman-developers.  I'm not aware of any Mailman-related mailing 
> list that is exclusively oriented towards just list owners.
>
> 	If you know of any or find out about some, please let us know.
>

Steve, the author of the original question, is correct about there 
having been a list for mailman list owners which was operational until 
quite recently: http://listowner.org and lo at listowner.org

But it has dropped off the radar of late; the most recent post to it I 
received is dated April 2004

The listowner.org DNS entries are still there but I have no idea what 
has happened to the site or mailing lists associated.

Richard

> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Mon Jun 28 13:54:35 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:54:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listowners list?
In-Reply-To: <5F061C9C-C8F2-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040627191511.01e4f720@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com>
	<p06002002bd05982a1361@[10.0.1.6]>
	<5F061C9C-C8F2-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06002005bd05b4f2d238@[10.0.1.6]>

At 12:00 PM +0100 2004-06-28, Richard Barrett wrote:

>  Steve, the author of the original question, is correct about there
>  having been a list for mailman list owners which was operational until
>  quite recently: http://listowner.org and lo at listowner.org

	Indeed, after seeing that message, I re-checked the list of 
mailman mailing lists at <http://www.list.org/lists.html> and noticed 
that it was there.  I don't know why, but I must have missed that 
every single previous time I saw that page.

>  But it has dropped off the radar of late; the most recent post to it
>  I received is dated April 2004

	There seems to have been some problems with it before then -- see 
Barry's message dated Mon Jan 12 18:28:24 EST 2004 at 
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-January/033888.html>.

>  The listowner.org DNS entries are still there but I have no idea what
>  has happened to the site or mailing lists associated.

	It looks like it's off-the-air:

% lft www.listowner.org.

Tracing _____________________________________________________________________

TTL  LFT trace to airband-69-26-234-42.airband.net (69.26.234.42):80/tcp
**   [neglected] no reply packets received from TTL 1
  2   1-233.242.81.adsl.skynet.be (81.242.233.1) 23.5ms
  3   at-0-2-0--0-224.iadslbnc1.isp.belgacom.be (80.201.237.73) 39.7ms
  4   ge1-0.intlmar1.isp.belgacom.be (194.78.0.147) 31.8ms
  5   ge-8-1.hsa2.brussels1.level3.net (212.3.234.177) 23.3ms
  6   so-5-0-0.mp2.brussels1.level3.net (4.68.113.205) 21.5ms
  7   so-3-0-0.mp1.london2.level3.net (212.187.128.46) 21.8ms
  8   as-0-0.bbr2.washington1.level3.net (4.68.128.102) 105.9ms
  9   so-7-0-0.edge1.washington1.level3.net (209.244.11.14) 107.6ms
10   ge-2-2-0--101.er01.asbn.eli.net (207.173.144.29) 109.2ms
11   so-2-0-0--0.cr02.mcln.eli.net (207.173.115.109) 109.6ms
12   p10-0.cr01.dlls.eli.net (207.173.115.65) 149.8ms
13   srp2-0.cr02.dlls.eli.net (208.186.20.66) 145.8ms
14   p7-0.cr02.phnx.eli.net (207.173.114.113) 165.9ms
15   srp0-0-0.gw02.phnx.eli.net (208.186.20.114) 167.0ms
16   gw-cust-airband2-dom.phnx.eli.net (216.190.193.162) 188.6ms
17   airband-69-26-225-126.airband.net (69.26.225.126) 176.1ms
18   airband-69-26-225-142.airband.net (69.26.225.142) 184.5ms
**   [neglected] no reply packets received from TTL 19
20   airband-66-226-237-150.airband.net (66.226.237.150) 184.4ms
**   [80/tcp failed]  Try alternate options or use -V to see packets.

	There is an advertised mail server:

% dig listowner.org. mx

; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> listowner.org. mx
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 8718
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;listowner.org.                 IN      MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
listowner.org.          86400   IN      MX      0 sparky.cisto.org.

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
listowner.org.          86400   IN      NS      c.ns.cisto.org.
listowner.org.          86400   IN      NS      ns1.cisto.com.
listowner.org.          86400   IN      NS      ns2.cisto.com.
listowner.org.          86400   IN      NS      b.ns.cisto.org.

;; Query time: 227 msec
;; WHEN: Mon Jun 28 13:47:57 2004
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 140

	However, all I get is a timeout when I try to connect to this machine:

% telnet sparky.cisto.org. 25
Trying 69.26.234.42...
telnet: connect to address 69.26.234.42: Operation timed out
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host

	I can trace to it fine, though:

% lft sparky.cisto.org.

Tracing _____________________________________________________________________

TTL  LFT trace to airband-69-26-234-42.airband.net (69.26.234.42):80/tcp
**   [neglected] no reply packets received from TTL 1
  2   1-233.242.81.adsl.skynet.be (81.242.233.1) 23.5ms
  3   at-0-2-0--0-224.iadslbnc1.isp.belgacom.be (80.201.237.73) 53.4ms
  4   ge1-0.intlmar1.isp.belgacom.be (194.78.0.147) 23.4ms
  5   ge-8-1.hsa2.brussels1.level3.net (212.3.234.177) 21.5ms
  6   so-5-0-0.mp2.brussels1.level3.net (4.68.113.205) 30.2ms
  7   so-3-0-0.mp1.london2.level3.net (212.187.128.46) 23.3ms
  8   as-0-0.bbr2.washington1.level3.net (4.68.128.102) 106.0ms
  9   so-7-0-0.edge1.washington1.level3.net (209.244.11.14) 108.5ms
10   ge-2-2-0--101.er01.asbn.eli.net (207.173.144.29) 110.2ms
11   so-2-0-0--0.cr02.mcln.eli.net (207.173.115.109) 108.1ms
12   p10-0.cr01.dlls.eli.net (207.173.115.65) 147.3ms
13   srp2-0.cr02.dlls.eli.net (208.186.20.66) 145.9ms
14   p7-0.cr02.phnx.eli.net (207.173.114.113) 167.9ms
15   srp0-0-0.gw02.phnx.eli.net (208.186.20.114) 186.0ms
16   gw-cust-airband2-dom.phnx.eli.net (216.190.193.162) 186.6ms
17   airband-69-26-225-126.airband.net (69.26.225.126) 184.4ms
18   airband-69-26-225-142.airband.net (69.26.225.142) 190.5ms
**   [neglected] no reply packets received from TTL 19
20   airband-66-226-237-150.airband.net (66.226.237.150) 186.5ms
**   [80/tcp failed]  Try alternate options or use -V to see packets.


	Maybe we need to give Norbert a call?  Unfortunately, while his 
address appears to be in Switzerland, the phone number appears to be 
in the US:

% whois -h whois.pir.org. listowner.org
NOTICE: Access to .ORG WHOIS information is provided to assist persons in
determining the contents of a domain name registration record in the PIR
registry database. The data in this record is provided by Public 
Interest Registry
for informational purposes only, and PIR does not guarantee its
accuracy.  This service is intended only for query-based access.  You agree
that you will use this data only for lawful purposes and that, under no
circumstances will you use this data to: (a) allow, enable, or otherwise
support the transmission by e-mail, telephone, or facsimile of mass
unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations to entities other than
the data recipient's own existing customers; or (b) enable high volume,
automated, electronic processes that send queries or data to the systems of
Registry Operator or any ICANN-Accredited Registrar, except as reasonably
necessary to register domain names or modify existing registrations.  All
rights reserved. PIR reserves the right to modify these terms at any
time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by this policy.

Domain ID:D86029934-LROR
Domain Name:LISTOWNER.ORG
Created On:27-Apr-2002 15:12:34 UTC
Last Updated On:08-Jan-2004 20:37:06 UTC
Expiration Date:27-Apr-2005 15:12:34 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:R63-LROR
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:NB2023-BR
Registrant Name:Norbert Bollow
Registrant Organization:Norbert Bollow
Registrant Street1:Weidlistrasse 18
Registrant City:Gr|t
Registrant State/Province:Switzerlan
Registrant Postal Code:8624
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Email:nb at pobox.com
Admin ID:NB1852-BR
Admin Name:Norbert Bollow
Admin Organization:listowner.org
Admin Street1:Weidlistrasse 18
Admin City:Gruet
Admin State/Province:Switzerlan
Admin Postal Code:CH-8624
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.4119722059
Admin Email:nb at pobox.com
Tech ID:NB1852-BR
Tech Name:Norbert Bollow
Tech Organization:listowner.org
Tech Street1:Weidlistrasse 18
Tech City:Gruet
Tech State/Province:Switzerlan
Tech Postal Code:CH-8624
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.4119722059
Tech Email:nb at pobox.com
Name Server:B.NS.CISTO.ORG
Name Server:C.NS.CISTO.ORG

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in  Mon Jun 28 16:26:14 2004
From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:56:14 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not working on virtual host ???
Message-ID: <59338.195.212.28.100.1088432774.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>

hi

I am trying to configure mailman on my postfix server (postfix-1.1.11-114)
 using virtual domain.

So I added a virtual domain "list.mydomain.com" on my postfix which is
alreasy configured for "mydomain.com"

Then I added /var/mailman/data/aliases file to alias_maps in main.cf
Also added /var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman to virtual_maps in main.cf

I created new list. Now it seems that when I drop a mail to my newly
created mailman list. The postfix is able use to virtual table and
re-write the address to "mydomain.com" but after this it is not able to
recongnise the aliases written in /var/mailman/data/aliases and says "user
unknown"

postconf's output is given below.

Can anyone help/advice

--yogesh


==========postconf -n output ========
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases
command_directory = /usr/sbin
config_directory = /etc/postfix-out
content_filter =
daemon_directory = /usr/lib/postfix
debug_peer_level = 2
default_destination_concurrency_limit = 10
default_destination_recipient_limit = 50
default_extra_recipient_limit = 1000
default_minimum_delivery_slots = 3
default_process_limit = 50
default_recipient_limit = 10000
delay_warning_time = 4h
disable_dns_lookups = no
inet_interfaces = 57.193.32.70
initial_destination_concurrency = 5
mail_name =  Mail Server
mail_owner = postfix
mail_spool_directory = /var/mail
mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
mailbox_transport =
mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq
manpage_directory = /usr/share/man
mydestination = mydomain.com
mydomain = mydomain.com
myhostname = mailt-out.mydomain.com
mynetworks = hash:/etc/postfix-out/mynetworks,hash:/etc/postfix-out/mynetw
orks.dr
mynetworks_style = host
myorigin = $mydomain
newaliases_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail
owner_request_special = no
qmgr_fudge_factor = 100
qmgr_message_active_limit = 10000
qmgr_message_recipient_limit = 10000
qmgr_message_recipient_minimum = 10
qmgr_site_hog_factor = 100
queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix-out
readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/packages/postfix/README_FILES
recipient_canonical_maps = hash:/etc/postfix-out/recipient_canonical,
ldap:fax
procldap,       ldap:receipldap,        ldap:receipldap2,
recipient_delimiter = +
relayhost =
sample_directory = /usr/share/doc/packages/postfix/samples
sender_canonical_maps = hash:/etc/postfix-out/sender_canonical,
        ldap:senderldap,                        ldap:senderldap2
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail
setgid_group = maildrop
smtp_bind_address = 57.66.52.70
smtp_connect_timeout = 180s
smtp_line_length_limit = 1024
smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name
smtpd_client_restrictions =
smtpd_helo_required = yes
smtpd_helo_restrictions =
smtpd_recipient_limit = 1000
smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination
strict_rfc821_envelopes = no
syslog_facility = local1
syslog_name = postfix-out
transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix-out/transport,
hash:/etc/postfix-out/baddomains_transport
virtual_maps = hash:/etc/postfix-out/virtual,
hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman




From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Mon Jun 28 18:06:12 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:06:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug?
Message-ID: <D32A21B2F60FD9A7E9486719@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>

Hi,

Users have reported getting moderator messages like this:

> Subject: -1 CGPE-internal moderator request(s) waiting
>
> The CGPE-internal at sussex.ac.uk mailing list has -1 request(s) waiting
> for your consideration at:
>
> 	http://mail.sussex.ac.uk/mailman/admindb/cgpe-internal
> 	
> Please attend to this at your earliest convenience.  This notice of
> pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily.

That's not 1 request, its "-1" request. There aren't any requests when they 
get there. I think this is a bug introduced in the last update (or the one 
before, I skipped a version). I've only seen it since I last upgraded.

-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS




From jharding at brave.cs.uml.edu  Mon Jun 28 18:26:44 2004
From: jharding at brave.cs.uml.edu (Josh Harding)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:26:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration to a new server - issues
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0406281210370.30587-100000@brave.cs.uml.edu>

Hello,

I recently migrated mailman from our catch-all server to a dedicated
listserv server. The process I used was as follows:
1.) Create lists on new server based on list_lists on old server
1.) Stop mail on old server (Postfix stop) and new server
2.) Insert temporary redirect away from web interface on old server
3.) Rsync /var/lib/mailman/lists and /var/lib/mailman/archives from old
	server to new server
4.) Change DNS and setup forwards from the old server for people slow to
	update their DNS
5.) Bring everything back up

This seemed to go well, and list activity continued as normal on the new
server, until 9 am the next day, when mailman's bounce processing disabled
about 200 list members from various list,, and deleted 100 or so more. It
did not continue this pattern the following day. I have intact membership
lists I can drop in, but don't know why it happened, and so am hesitant to
move blindly forward. The membership list was up to date, as we were using
fairly stringent bounce processing on the old server.

Any ideas on why that would occur? Was my migration process flawed?
Assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Joshua Harding
Community Software Lab
csl.ltc.org




From arekm at pld-linux.org  Mon Jun 28 20:09:58 2004
From: arekm at pld-linux.org (Arkadiusz Miskiewicz)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:09:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug?
In-Reply-To: <D32A21B2F60FD9A7E9486719@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
References: <D32A21B2F60FD9A7E9486719@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <200406282009.58738.arekm@pld-linux.org>

On Monday 28 of June 2004 18:06, Ian A B Eiloart wrote:

> > Subject: -1 CGPE-internal moderator request(s) waiting
[...]
> That's not 1 request, its "-1" request. There aren't any requests when they
> get there. I think this is a bug introduced in the last update (or the one
> before, I skipped a version). I've only seen it since I last upgraded.
I can say ,,me too'' here. After updating to 2.1.5 I started getting such 
informations from mailman for new mailing lists without any traffic, yet.

-- 
Arkadiusz Mi?kiewicz     CS at FoE, Wroclaw University of Technology
arekm.pld-linux.org, 1024/3DB19BBD, JID: arekm.jabber.org, PLD/Linux



From jharding at brave.cs.uml.edu  Mon Jun 28 20:30:52 2004
From: jharding at brave.cs.uml.edu (Josh Harding)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:30:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration to a new server - issues
In-Reply-To: <5CCADB4E-C92B-11D8-AD47-000A959666F6@look.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0406281427310.3552-100000@brave.cs.uml.edu>

>
> That's not the process I would use, but I don't see where it should
> have been a problem. Unless somehow bad characters got inserted into
> those addresses and caused them to bounce.
>
> What did the bounces say? What do you see in your MTA log about these
> addresses?
>

That's the interesting part - the MTA log doesn't show any bounces from
those addresses. It successfully delivered each warning message, and then
disabled the user anyway. The mailman log file doesn't show the
individual messages, only when each user was disabled or deleted.

As a side note - what would a better process be for the future?

-Joshua





From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun 29 01:37:32 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 01:37:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listowners list?
In-Reply-To: <40D047FC002E731D@mail03.agrinet.ch> (added by
	postmaster@mail03.agrinet.ch)
References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040627191511.01e4f720@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com>
	<p06002002bd05982a1361@[10.0.1.6]>
	<5F061C9C-C8F2-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<p06002005bd05b4f2d238@[10.0.1.6]>
	<40D047FC002E731D@mail03.agrinet.ch> (added by
	postmaster@mail03.agrinet.ch)
Message-ID: <p0600200ebd065c2603ce@[10.0.1.6]>

At 1:15 AM +0200 2004-06-29, Norbert Bollow wrote:

>       I'll try to find a little time soon to set it up again on one of
>  the machines which I use for my commercial stuff (they're all up and
>  running).  I have a recent backup of the list's data, hence it
>  shouldn't be a real problem.

	Thanks for the update!

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From michael at espersunited.com  Tue Jun 29 02:44:53 2004
From: michael at espersunited.com (Michael Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:44:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman book
Message-ID: <1088469892.7965.1.camel@baby.espersunited.com>

I'm looking for a good book on mailman that will explain setting it up
and day-to-day operations involved with mailman.  I've searched
Amazon.com and O'Reilly.com and not had any luck finding one.  Can
anyone give me any recommendations for a good book to help me work with
mailman?




From gwaugh at scu.edu.au  Tue Jun 29 06:10:16 2004
From: gwaugh at scu.edu.au (Guy Waugh)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:10:16 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Load-balancing Mailman in LVS cluster
Message-ID: <40E0EBA8.7040901@scu.edu.au>

Hi there,

I'm a new user of Mailman, and a new subscriber to this list.

I want to set up Mailman in a load-balanced fashion on two servers 
running within an LVS (linux virtual server) cluster. I want the two 
servers to act as the same Mailman instance. The two servers will mount 
an NFS shared directory from a third server, and the NFS mount will, I 
guess, contain the shared Mailman stuff. I've found a few things on the 
web about load-balancing Mailman, but not much.

The following directories exist in $prefix/mailman:
archives *
bin
cgi-bin
cron
data *
icons
lists *
locks *
logs
mail
Mailman *
messages
pythonlib
qfiles
scripts
spam
templates
tests

Can anybody suggest which of these directories should be NFS shared 
between the two servers? To me, it looks like good candidates would be 
those that I have marked with an * ...

Further, is anyone running Mailman in a load-balanced fashion like this? 
Any hints/tricks/tips?

Thanks in advance,
Guy.



From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Tue Jun 29 09:18:21 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:18:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is wrong?
References: <40D1A3E4.1050306@intersix.com.br>
Message-ID: <alm.20040629091822.21017@gwaihir.akallabeth.de>

Leandro Souza schrieb:

> I?m instaled mailman-2.1.4 an exists one error that i?m not 
> understanding, when i try to create a new mailing list:
>
> "Error: You are not authorized to create new mailing lists"

Do you use the right password?

-thh




From ryan at ape-x.net  Tue Jun 29 10:28:30 2004
From: ryan at ape-x.net (Ryan Northey)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:28:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hardware spec for 5000 user lists
Message-ID: <1088497710.2514.46.camel@trintop>

hi there,

i have been asked by client to provide 5 x 5000 user mailing lists. I
believe they are to be used as announce lists.

I expect to use either postfix or qmail as the MTA, probably the former.

I was wondering if anyone has experience of using high-volume mail lists
and could recommend a minimum hardware spec that i would require to run
all these lists on the same server. 

I would also appreciate any advice/guidance on specific issues i might
need to consider or avoid, and what might happen if mailman/MTA becomes
overloaded.

Thanx in advance,

cheers,

ryan.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun 29 12:03:34 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:03:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman book
In-Reply-To: <1088469892.7965.1.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
References: <1088469892.7965.1.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
Message-ID: <p06002010bd06eea3f85a@[10.0.1.6]>

At 7:44 PM -0500 2004-06-28, Michael Sullivan wrote:

>  I'm looking for a good book on mailman that will explain setting it up
>  and day-to-day operations involved with mailman.

	So far as I know, there is no book on Mailman.

>                                                    I've searched
>  Amazon.com and O'Reilly.com and not had any luck finding one.  Can
>  anyone give me any recommendations for a good book to help me work with
>  mailman?

	There is the O'Reilly book on managing mailing lists, but while 
it covers Majordomo and others, it doesn't cover Mailman.  It is 
somewhat useful in a general sense, but so far as I know there hasn't 
been anything written yet that is more specifically useful.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun 29 12:10:48 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:10:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Load-balancing Mailman in LVS cluster
In-Reply-To: <40E0EBA8.7040901@scu.edu.au>
References: <40E0EBA8.7040901@scu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <p06002011bd06ef1011d9@[10.0.1.6]>

At 2:10 PM +1000 2004-06-29, Guy Waugh wrote:

>  I want to set up Mailman in a load-balanced fashion on two servers
>  running within an LVS (linux virtual server) cluster. I want the two
>  servers to act as the same Mailman instance.

	Okay, so far.

>                                                The two servers will mount
>  an NFS shared directory from a third server, and the NFS mount will, I
>  guess, contain the shared Mailman stuff.

	There's a problem.  NFS sucks at operations that require lots of 
file locking.  Of course, all queueing type operations involving mail 
servers involve lots of file locking.

	This is why you do not ever put /var/spool/mqueue on NFS, whereas 
you can find ways to kinda-semi-sorta deal with the NFS locking 
problem for user mailboxes on /var/spool/mail (all solutions to this 
problem involve trade-offs that hurt performance in other areas).

	Likewise, Mailman does file locking with the queueing process 
that it manages.


	If you can find a way to put things on a proper clustered 
filesystem, that should work much better.  Sistina GFS may work for 
you, or possibly Veritas VxFS plus their VCS tools.

>                                            I've found a few things on the
>  web about load-balancing Mailman, but not much.

	The thing is that you can run the web server for Mailman separate 
from the mail servers.  So, you could cluster the mail servers in a 
scalable way that will work for you, and then separately work on the 
issue of building a scalable web farm solution for the rest.

>  Further, is anyone running Mailman in a load-balanced fashion like this?
>  Any hints/tricks/tips?

	If you are interested in splitting of the mail cluster part of 
this equations, then I suggest you look at the parts of the FAQ that 
talk about performance tuning, especially the stuff in section 6. 
The most extensive entry is at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.003.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun 29 12:18:20 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:18:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hardware spec for 5000 user lists
In-Reply-To: <1088497710.2514.46.camel@trintop>
References: <1088497710.2514.46.camel@trintop>
Message-ID: <p06002012bd06f0bf76f0@[10.0.1.6]>

At 9:28 AM +0100 2004-06-29, Ryan Northey wrote:

>  i have been asked by client to provide 5 x 5000 user mailing lists. I
>  believe they are to be used as announce lists.
>
>  I expect to use either postfix or qmail as the MTA, probably the former.
>
>  I was wondering if anyone has experience of using high-volume mail lists
>  and could recommend a minimum hardware spec that i would require to run
>  all these lists on the same server.

	There are a lot more variables here.  For example, how many 
messages are going to be sent to these lists per day?  How large are 
those messages going to be?  How many of those recipients are going 
to be on the same recipient servers?  How fast do you need to deliver 
those messages?

>  I would also appreciate any advice/guidance on specific issues i might
>  need to consider or avoid, and what might happen if mailman/MTA becomes
>  overloaded.

	I would suggest searching through the FAQ for the word 
"performance", and reading all the entries that are returned.  Also 
search for "VERP".  After you've done this, if there's anything in 
section 6 that you haven't already read, then read it now.

	See also 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.015.htp>, 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.003.htp>, 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.004.htp>, 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.008.htp>, 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.002.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in  Tue Jun 29 15:09:38 2004
From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:39:38 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List without moderation
Message-ID: <40484.195.212.28.100.1088514578.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>

>From command line how do i configure a list so that if its members can
send a post and it will be sent without any moderation. i.e. the admin is
not required to approve it.

TIA

--yogesh





From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in  Tue Jun 29 16:26:50 2004
From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:56:50 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List without moderation
In-Reply-To: <20040629131759.GA18799@joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org>
References: <40484.195.212.28.100.1088514578.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
	<20040629131759.GA18799@joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <36206.195.212.28.100.1088519210.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>

Thanks for the prompt reply. But unfortunately, I am not getting the
expected results.

On my Linux machine I logged in as user mailman and then added a new list
using "newlist" commmand. Then using "add_members" I added few members
which includes my email ID.

Now when I send a mail to the list from my email ID, I get a mail saying
that your post is awaiting approval. And since I am also the moderator, I
get a mail saying that "so and so message is pending for approval"

So I used the "config_list" command with the siteconfig.cfg file to have
default_member_moderation = 0

But still its not working? Is there anyway to make sure that member
moderation is turned off??

--yogesh

> On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 06:39:38PM +0530, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote the
> following:
>> >From command line how do i configure a list so that if its members can
>> send a post and it will be sent without any moderation. i.e. the admin
>> is
>> not required to approve it.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> --yogesh
>
> That is the default behavior.
>
> --
> AIM: pres CTHULHU | ICQ: 18115568 | Yahoo: pagan_prince
> Jabber: DarkKnightRadick@(jabber.org|amessage.at) | Libertarian @ Large
> PGP: 0x642F7BDA | <
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tennesseans-for-badnarik/ >
> < http://mc-luug.homelinux.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-luug >
>


--yogesh

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them
all and in the darkness bind them.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++




From tim.reimers at asheville.k12.nc.us  Tue Jun 29 17:09:01 2004
From: tim.reimers at asheville.k12.nc.us (Tim Reimers)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:09:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question regarding configuring 'posters' allowed...
Message-ID: <002801c45deb$028a91f0$b5010a0a@asheville.k12.nc.us>

Hi -

I need to configure the 'posters' list (people who are allowed to post
to a private list)
to allow entire domains- any email address on that domain could post-

Is that possible? I know I can add individual email addresses, but I
have several domains that I know I'd accept email from, but I have no
idea what the different email addresses within that domain might be...


Tim Reimers
Asheville City Schools IT
tim.reimers(at)asheville(dot)k12(dot)nc(dot)us
828-255-5304x374
 


http://www.gordano.com - Messaging for educators.



From msapiro at value.net  Tue Jun 29 17:24:09 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:24:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question regarding configuring 'posters'
	allowed...
In-Reply-To: <002801c45deb$028a91f0$b5010a0a@asheville.k12.nc.us>
Message-ID: <PC1700200406290824090406d961e87f@Notebook>

Tim Reimers wrote:
>
>Is that possible? I know I can add individual email addresses, but I
>have several domains that I know I'd accept email from, but I have no
>idea what the different email addresses within that domain might be...

>From the help for accept_these_nonmembers:

 Postings from any of these non-members will be automatically accepted
 with no further moderation applied. Add member addresses one per line;
 start the line with a ^ character to designate a regular expression
 match.

Thus,
  ^*@accept.domain$
and so forth...

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan




From dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca  Tue Jun 29 17:31:14 2004
From: dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca (dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:31:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Available : ACP Journal Club
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From paitkenhead at draper.com  Tue Jun 29 17:31:56 2004
From: paitkenhead at draper.com (Paul Aitkenhead)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:31:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests at web site are not password protected
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040629112817.023b44c8@imap.draper.com>

Hello,

I've just noticed that it is possible to gain access to the
digests at my Mailman users website without any sort
of ID or password. Is this something I can change easily?




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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:37:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Available : Advances in Pediatric Infectious
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:40:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Available : American Journal of Medicine
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:41:12 -0400
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:43:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Available : American Journal of Obstetrics and
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun 29 17:49:01 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:49:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question regarding configuring
	'posters' allowed...
In-Reply-To: <002801c45deb$028a91f0$b5010a0a@asheville.k12.nc.us>
References: <002801c45deb$028a91f0$b5010a0a@asheville.k12.nc.us>
Message-ID: <p06002019bd073fc5fccb@[10.0.1.6]>

At 11:09 AM -0400 2004-06-29, Tim Reimers wrote:

>  Is that possible? I know I can add individual email addresses, but I
>  have several domains that I know I'd accept email from, but I have no
>  idea what the different email addresses within that domain might be...

	See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.033.htp> 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.022.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun 29 17:53:36 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:53:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests at web site are not password
 protected
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040629112817.023b44c8@imap.draper.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040629112817.023b44c8@imap.draper.com>
Message-ID: <p0600201bbd0740982e14@[10.0.1.6]>

At 11:31 AM -0400 2004-06-29, Paul Aitkenhead wrote:

>  I've just noticed that it is possible to gain access to the
>  digests at my Mailman users website without any sort
>  of ID or password. Is this something I can change easily?

	Yes.  Go to the admin interface for your page, and click on the 
"Archiving Options" link.  Then click on the button next to the 
middle row, next to the label "Is archive file source for public or 
private archival?".  Set it to "Private".

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From yorkb at NKU.EDU  Tue Jun 29 17:55:06 2004
From: yorkb at NKU.EDU (Brian York)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:55:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change list password
Message-ID: <200406291155.07434.yorkb@nku.edu>

How can I change a list password from the command line?



From msapiro at value.net  Tue Jun 29 17:56:40 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:56:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests at web site are not password protected
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040629112817.023b44c8@imap.draper.com>
Message-ID: <PC17002004062908564001099827d915@Notebook>

Paul Aitkenhead wrote:
>
>I've just noticed that it is possible to gain access to the
>digests at my Mailman users website without any sort
>of ID or password. Is this something I can change easily?

Assuming you are referring to your lists archives, go to your list
administration page -> Archiving Options and make your archive private.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan




From rxweb+ at pitt.edu  Tue Jun 29 18:00:13 2004
From: rxweb+ at pitt.edu (Thomas Waters)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:00:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading Panther Server basic install 2.1.2 to
	2.1.5
Message-ID: <67A9E26A-C9E5-11D8-83B5-000A95AE8AF2@pitt.edu>

We've been using Mailman  with few problems for some time now on a 
G4/OS X 10.3.4, Mailman 2.1.2.  The set up was done by a temp- a guy 
with UNIX experience that I lack, and he is off in Germany now.  Trying 
to add some new lists, I'm getting a variety of errors, and decided 
that maybe it's time to get Mailman up to date.  Maybe that would solve 
my errors.  I've downloaded 2.1.5 and have read the FAQ, the Readme, 
and the Upgrading docs, but I'm still not sure about a few things:
1) there is nothing in the upgrading doc that specifically talks about 
2.1.2 -> 2.1.5. So, is the info for 2.1.4 -> 2.1.5 sufficient?
2) On the Readme OS X- seems to speak to Jaquar and is out of date/ not 
applicable to 10.3.x?
3) In the Readme, under "create your first list" , the default location 
is listed as /usr/local/mailman.  On my server, it is 
usr/share/mailman.  Should that be changed?

I don't have very many lists, and I'm need to delete all members and 
re-import list menmbers, so I'm happy to wipe it all clean and start 
from scratch if needed.

4) the dir, usr/share/mailman does not contain everything that I see in 
the 2.1.5 folder I downloaded.

Thx,
--
Thomas Waters
Director of Information and Communication Services
University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy
412-383-7471
rxweb+ at pitt.edu
http://www.pharmacy.pitt.edu




From michael at espersunited.com  Tue Jun 29 18:08:43 2004
From: michael at espersunited.com (Michael Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:08:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No notification of new list created
Message-ID: <1088524946.4182.12.camel@baby.espersunited.com>

mailman hasn't been working right since Monday morning.  I thought it
might be a sendmail problem because it stopped working after I started
trying to alter sendmail.mc, but I just found a backup of /etc/mail from
Sunday night when mailman was working and restored it, it mailman still
doesn't work.  I issue the command /var/mailman/bin/newlist to create a
new mailing list and then go through the prompts.  It gives me the
additions to /etc/aliases file and then to run newaliases.  It then says
that it's notifying the list owner (which I specify as
michael at espersunited.com)  I never get the email though.  Should the
creation of the newlist show up in the /var/mailman/logs directory,
because /var/mailman/logs remains empty.  Are there any other log
locations I should check?  Please help!




From gagel at cnc.bc.ca  Tue Jun 29 18:10:47 2004
From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (Kevin W. Gagel)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:10:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List without moderation
Message-ID: <40e19487.1af.b9c.26250@cnc.bc.ca>

----- Original Message Follows -----
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:56:50 +0530 (IST)
---snip---
> So I used the "config_list" command with the siteconfig.cfg file to have
> default_member_moderation = 0
>From this point on your new members will not have the moderation bit set.
Meaning they will not be moderated.

> But still its not working? Is there anyway to make sure that member
> moderation is turned off??
You still have not turned off the moderation bit for old members. Go to the
members listing and set the mod bit off for all members.


====================
Kevin W. Gagel
Network Administrator
(250) 561-5848 local 448
(250) 562-2131 local 448

--------------------------------------------------------------
The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca
Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email.
--------------------------------------------------------------



From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Tue Jun 29 18:10:54 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:10:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question regarding configuring 'posters'
	allowed...
In-Reply-To: <PC1700200406290824090406d961e87f@Notebook>
References: <PC1700200406290824090406d961e87f@Notebook>
Message-ID: <41ECE12842436FA306136759@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>



--On Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:24 am -0700 Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> 
wrote:

> Tim Reimers wrote:
>>
>> Is that possible? I know I can add individual email addresses, but I
>> have several domains that I know I'd accept email from, but I have no
>> idea what the different email addresses within that domain might be...
>
>> From the help for accept_these_nonmembers:
>
>  Postings from any of these non-members will be automatically accepted
>  with no further moderation applied. Add member addresses one per line;
>  start the line with a ^ character to designate a regular expression
>  match.
>
> Thus,
>   ^*@accept.domain$
> and so forth...
>

we use ^.+ at example\.com$

.+ means use one or more of any character, the dot in the domain is escaped 
to prevent it matching ANY character.

-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS




From michael at espersunited.com  Tue Jun 29 18:16:24 2004
From: michael at espersunited.com (Michael Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:16:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner
Message-ID: <1088525784.4182.16.camel@baby.espersunited.com>

I issued the "service mailman restart" command to which it gave the the
output:

[root at bullet Mailman]# service mailman restart
PID unreadable in: /var/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid
[Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/var/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid'
Is qrunner even running?

I ls'd /var/mailman/data and the only thing in there was sitelist.cfg 
I've encountered this error in my many previous unsucessful attempts to
get mailman to work.  How do I make qrunner run?  I don't understand the
option documentation...





From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun 29 18:14:31 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:14:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading Panther Server basic
	install 2.1.2 to 	2.1.5
In-Reply-To: <67A9E26A-C9E5-11D8-83B5-000A95AE8AF2@pitt.edu>
References: <67A9E26A-C9E5-11D8-83B5-000A95AE8AF2@pitt.edu>
Message-ID: <p0600201dbd074416ffc1@[10.0.1.6]>

At 12:00 PM -0400 2004-06-29, Thomas Waters wrote:

>  1) there is nothing in the upgrading doc that specifically talks about
>  2.1.2 -> 2.1.5. So, is the info for 2.1.4 -> 2.1.5 sufficient?

	It should be.

>  2) On the Readme OS X- seems to speak to Jaquar and is out of
>  date/not applicable to 10.3.x?

	Apple has not contributed their changes to Mailman back to the 
project, nor have they contributed any documentation back to the 
project about what they changed.  What is here is what people have 
created on their own.

	So far as I know, all the people running Mailman on MacOS X are 
either doing it from stuff they've installed themselves on Jaguar, or 
they're using the Apple-bundled stuff on Panther Server.  I don't 
know of anyone who has tried using the standard Mailman stuff on 
Panther (as opposed to Panther Server).

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.021.htp>.


	Once you get your upgrade done, it would be nice if you could 
contribute your experiences and knowledge back to the project, to try 
to help fill this gap.

>  3) In the Readme, under "create your first list" , the default location
>  is listed as /usr/local/mailman.  On my server, it is usr/share/mailman.
>  Should that be changed?

	It depends on what was done by the guy who originally installed 
it.  However, it seems plausible that all references to 
/usr/local/mailman would need to be changed to /usr/share/mailman on 
your system.

>  I don't have very many lists, and I'm need to delete all members and
>  re-import list menmbers, so I'm happy to wipe it all clean and start
>  from scratch if needed.

	The update over the stuff you have now should be relatively 
clean.  Should be.

>  4) the dir, usr/share/mailman does not contain everything that I see in
>  the 2.1.5 folder I downloaded.

	That's not a good sign.  Is there a directory named "mailman" 
anywhere else on the system?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From michael at espersunited.com  Tue Jun 29 18:22:30 2004
From: michael at espersunited.com (Michael Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:22:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sitelist
Message-ID: <1088526150.4182.20.camel@baby.espersunited.com>

New question:  It occurred to me that maybe I should attempt to start
mailman before I attempted to stop it.  I issued "service mailman start"
and it gave me this output:


[root at bullet init.d]# service mailman start
Site list is missing: mailman

I have a file called sitelist.cfg in /var/mailman/data .  Isn't this the file it means?  Do I need to edit the file?





From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in  Tue Jun 29 18:20:58 2004
From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Talekar)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:50:58 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List without moderation
In-Reply-To: <40e19487.1af.b9c.26250@cnc.bc.ca>
References: <40e19487.1af.b9c.26250@cnc.bc.ca>
Message-ID: <11140.195.212.28.100.1088526058.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>

Thanks a lot but

the question is how do i do it from command line??

I cannot use Web interface du to some restrictions!

--yogesh



> ----- Original Message Follows -----
> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:56:50 +0530 (IST)
> ---snip---
>> So I used the "config_list" command with the siteconfig.cfg file to have
>> default_member_moderation = 0
>>From this point on your new members will not have the moderation bit set.
> Meaning they will not be moderated.
>
>> But still its not working? Is there anyway to make sure that member
>> moderation is turned off??
> You still have not turned off the moderation bit for old members. Go to
> the
> members listing and set the mod bit off for all members.
>
>
> ====================
> Kevin W. Gagel
> Network Administrator
> (250) 561-5848 local 448
> (250) 562-2131 local 448
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca
> Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email.
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>


--yogi



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun 29 18:20:07 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:20:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No notification of new list created
In-Reply-To: <1088524946.4182.12.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
References: <1088524946.4182.12.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
Message-ID: <p0600201ebd07466c8bcb@[10.0.1.6]>

At 11:08 AM -0500 2004-06-29, Michael Sullivan wrote:

>                                                            Should the
>  creation of the newlist show up in the /var/mailman/logs directory,
>  because /var/mailman/logs remains empty.  Are there any other log
>  locations I should check?  Please help!

	Do you have a /usr/local/mailman/logs directory?  If so, then 
stuff might also show up there.  The directory /var/mailman/logs is 
non-standard, so there's no telling what should be writing what logs 
to that directory.

	Looking through my own logs on a Mailman server that I manage, I 
don't see anything that records any evidence of a new list being 
created.  Subscriptions are logged, including the method used to 
subscribe them.  But that's the earliest part of the process that I 
see in our set of log files.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun 29 18:26:01 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:26:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner
In-Reply-To: <1088525784.4182.16.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
References: <1088525784.4182.16.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
Message-ID: <p06002020bd074823f29f@[10.0.1.6]>

At 11:16 AM -0500 2004-06-29, Michael Sullivan wrote:

>  I issued the "service mailman restart" command to which it gave the the
>  output:
>
>  [root at bullet Mailman]# service mailman restart
>  PID unreadable in: /var/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid
>  [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
>  '/var/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid'
>  Is qrunner even running?

	This should just be a warning.  If not, then issue a "stop" 
followed by a "start", and that should do the job.  If not, then it 
would appear that you've got a problem with your service management 
system -- try using mailmanctl directly.

>  I ls'd /var/mailman/data and the only thing in there was sitelist.cfg
>  I've encountered this error in my many previous unsucessful attempts to
>  get mailman to work.  How do I make qrunner run?  I don't understand the
>  option documentation...

	Did you look at the directory before the restart, or after?  Are 
you sure that there aren't other processes on the system that 
periodically clean out the /var/mailman/data directory?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From michael at espersunited.com  Tue Jun 29 18:31:29 2004
From: michael at espersunited.com (Michael Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:31:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: sitelist
In-Reply-To: <1088526150.4182.20.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
References: <1088526150.4182.20.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
Message-ID: <1088526689.4182.25.camel@baby.espersunited.com>

I'm sorry.  This one was a stupid mistake.  It was giving me the
sitelist error because I didn't create a list titled "mailman".  Now the
only problem I'm having is that it still won't notify me when I create a
new list, but that's a topic for another thread which I've already
posted.

On Tue, 2004-06-29 at 11:22, Michael Sullivan wrote:
> New question:  It occurred to me that maybe I should attempt to start
> mailman before I attempted to stop it.  I issued "service mailman start"
> and it gave me this output:
> 
> 
> [root at bullet init.d]# service mailman start
> Site list is missing: mailman
> 
> I have a file called sitelist.cfg in /var/mailman/data .  Isn't this the file it means?  Do I need to edit the file?
> 




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun 29 18:30:28 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:30:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sitelist
In-Reply-To: <1088526150.4182.20.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
References: <1088526150.4182.20.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
Message-ID: <p06002021bd07497942d1@[10.0.1.6]>

At 11:22 AM -0500 2004-06-29, Michael Sullivan wrote:

>  [root at bullet init.d]# service mailman start
>  Site list is missing: mailman

	See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.005.htp> 
and 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.022.htp>.

-- 
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Tue Jun 29 18:38:58 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:38:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sitelist
In-Reply-To: <1088526150.4182.20.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
References: <1088526150.4182.20.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
Message-ID: <20040629163858.GB25460@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Michael Sullivan wrote:
> New question:  It occurred to me that maybe I should attempt to
> start mailman before I attempted to stop it.  I issued "service
> mailman start" and it gave me this output:
>
>
> [root at bullet init.d]# service mailman start
> Site list is missing: mailman
>
> I have a file called sitelist.cfg in /var/mailman/data .  Isn't this
> the file it means?  Do I need to edit the file?

Did you say you were using Fedora?  If so, or of you're running an rpm
based install, there are some things you need to do after installing
the rpm.  In Fedora (and RedHat), read the file INSTALL.REDHAT in the
mailman doc directory (/usr/share/doc/mailman-$version) and follow the
steps outlined there.

- -- 
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======================================================================
The history of liberty is a history of resistance.
    -- Woodrow Wilson

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From michael at espersunited.com  Tue Jun 29 18:58:06 2004
From: michael at espersunited.com (Michael Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:58:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No notification of new list created
In-Reply-To: <1088524946.4182.12.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
References: <1088524946.4182.12.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
Message-ID: <1088528286.4182.35.camel@baby.espersunited.com>

I found a log called /var/logs/mailman/smtp-failures that listed a
series of User Unknown errors for the list I tried to create this
morning.  My mailman documentation includes a file called INSTALL.REDHAT
which has a troubleshooting section.  The user unknown problem is listed
there.  It says that the reason this error shows up is because the
mailing list aliases have not been added to /etc/alases. I ran
/var/mailman/bin/rmlist on all my lists (including mailman) while
leaving their definitions in /etc/aliases.  I then ran newlist for a
list called mailman and went back to the smtp-failures log.  It showed
the error:  

Jun 26 22:03:03 2004 (4416) SMTP session failure: 553, 5.3.0
<mailman-bounces at espersunited.com>... User Unknown, msgid:
<mailman.1.1088305382.4419.mailman at espersunited.com> 

The time stamp was consistent with the time I created the list.  What
can I do about this?  The mailman definitions were still in
/etc/aliases.


On Tue, 2004-06-29 at 11:08, Michael Sullivan wrote:
> mailman hasn't been working right since Monday morning.  I thought it
> might be a sendmail problem because it stopped working after I started
> trying to alter sendmail.mc, but I just found a backup of /etc/mail from
> Sunday night when mailman was working and restored it, it mailman still
> doesn't work.  I issue the command /var/mailman/bin/newlist to create a
> new mailing list and then go through the prompts.  It gives me the
> additions to /etc/aliases file and then to run newaliases.  It then says
> that it's notifying the list owner (which I specify as
> michael at espersunited.com)  I never get the email though.  Should the
> creation of the newlist show up in the /var/mailman/logs directory,
> because /var/mailman/logs remains empty.  Are there any other log
> locations I should check?  Please help!




From gagel at cnc.bc.ca  Tue Jun 29 19:06:55 2004
From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (Kevin W. Gagel)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:06:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List without moderation
Message-ID: <40e1a1af.16c.bf0.4481@cnc.bc.ca>

----- Original Message Follows -----
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:50:58 +0530 (IST)
> Thanks a lot but
> 
> the question is how do i do it from command line??
> 
> I cannot use Web interface du to some restrictions!
> 
> --yogesh
I see what you mean. There does not seem to be an easy way to do it from the
command line except if you use the programatic method using "withlist". But that
seems to be a steep learning curve...

I have no other suggestions and not enough knowledge of Mailman to be of further
help. Perhaps someone else can be more helpful.

====================
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Network Administrator
(250) 561-5848 local 448
(250) 562-2131 local 448

--------------------------------------------------------------
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Tue Jun 29 19:20:49 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:20:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No notification of new list created
In-Reply-To: <1088528286.4182.35.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
References: <1088524946.4182.12.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
	<1088528286.4182.35.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
Message-ID: <p06002022bd0754ccea6c@[10.0.1.6]>

At 11:58 AM -0500 2004-06-29, Michael Sullivan wrote:

>  The time stamp was consistent with the time I created the list.  What
>  can I do about this?  The mailman definitions were still in
>  /etc/aliases.

	There are two parts to the aliases -- the source text file which 
humans can read (usually something like /etc/aliases), and the binary 
database file which is actually used by the computer (sometimes there 
are two binary database files).  These binary database files are 
usually something like /etc/aliases.db, /etc/aliases.pag, etc....

	Have you run the command "newaliases" to regenerate the binary 
database files?


	Please note that these are general problems with your mail 
server, and not specific to Mailman.  You'd be more likely to get 
more and better help from a mailing list that is specifically 
oriented towards your mail server software, or your OS.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca  Tue Jun 29 19:45:27 2004
From: dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca (dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:45:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Available : Annals of Internal Medicine
Message-ID: <OF71B4C228.0C500FE6-ON85256EC2.00613DEB@ssss.gouv.qc.ca>

Annals of Internal Medicine
2000; vol. 133, no 6
2001; vol. 134, no 9 part 1-2
2001; vol. 135, nos 2-4,  7,  9-12
2002, vol. 136, nos 2, 10-12
2002, vol. 137, nos 1, 11-12
2004, vol. 140, nos 6, 9

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From dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca  Tue Jun 29 19:46:51 2004
From: dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca (dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:46:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Available : Blood
Message-ID: <OF07E50594.479E779F-ON85256EC2.00618D27@ssss.gouv.qc.ca>

Blood
2001; vol. 97, nos 11-12
2002; vol. 98, nos 3-4, 7

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From dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca  Tue Jun 29 19:48:05 2004
From: dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca (dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:48:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Available : Bulletin of the American College of
	Surgeons
Message-ID: <OFFAB3B984.4034ABFF-ON85256EC2.0061B127@ssss.gouv.qc.ca>

Bulletin of the American College of Surgeons
2003; vol. 88, no 1

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H1T 1P7

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From dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca  Tue Jun 29 19:49:36 2004
From: dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca (dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:49:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Canadian Healthcare Manager
Message-ID: <OF00BA9535.A96F85CE-ON85256EC2.0061CA5C@ssss.gouv.qc.ca>

Canadian Healthcare Manager
2003; vol. 10, no 4

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From dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca  Tue Jun 29 19:51:02 2004
From: dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca (dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:51:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Canadian Healthcare Technology
Message-ID: <OFBFFA6543.B1366109-ON85256EC2.0061EDC1@ssss.gouv.qc.ca>

Canadian Healthcare Technology
2003; vol. 8, nos 7-8
2004; vol. 9, no 1

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From dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca  Tue Jun 29 19:52:11 2004
From: dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca (dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:52:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Available : Canadian Journal of Gastroenterology
Message-ID: <OF568D8595.34EFF2ED-ON85256EC2.00620F6A@ssss.gouv.qc.ca>

Canadian Journal of Gastroenterology
2003; vol. 17, no 10

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From dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca  Tue Jun 29 19:53:10 2004
From: dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca (dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:53:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Available : Canadian Journal of Nursing Leadership
Message-ID: <OF47BBACEB.5A385552-ON85256EC2.00622A90@ssss.gouv.qc.ca>

Canadian Journal of Nursing Leadership
2004; vol. 17, no 2

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From dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca  Tue Jun 29 19:54:00 2004
From: dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca (dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:54:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Available : Clinical Thyroidology
Message-ID: <OF261BBAA2.2C577BD7-ON85256EC2.0062416A@ssss.gouv.qc.ca>

Clinical Thyroidology
2003; vol. 15, no 2

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From dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca  Tue Jun 29 19:55:45 2004
From: dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca (dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:55:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Available : Clinics in Laboratory Medicine
Message-ID: <OF888F0739.714E5CF1-ON85256EC2.006266B8@ssss.gouv.qc.ca>

Clinics in Laboratory Medicine
1991; vol. 11, no 4

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From dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca  Tue Jun 29 19:57:12 2004
From: dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca (dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:57:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Available : Current Clinical Topics in Infectious
	Diseases
Message-ID: <OF04B1A2D6.89211DD8-ON85256EC2.00627DE4@ssss.gouv.qc.ca>

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From relson at osagesoftware.com  Tue Jun 29 19:56:17 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:56:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] spam from dseguin@ssss.gouv.qc.ca ???
Message-ID: <20040629135617.3b1e6a08@osage.osagesoftware.com>

Hi,

Is dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca a legitimate subscriber?  Any idea why the
list is getting all this healthcare info?  At best, it's significantly
off-topic.

David



From steve at portigal.com  Tue Jun 29 20:06:06 2004
From: steve at portigal.com (Steve Portigal)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:06:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Available : Current Clinical Topics in
	Infectious Diseases
In-Reply-To: <OF04B1A2D6.89211DD8-ON85256EC2.00627DE4@ssss.gouv.qc.ca>
References: <OF04B1A2D6.89211DD8-ON85256EC2.00627DE4@ssss.gouv.qc.ca>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040629110513.01d79008@127.0.0.1>



She's only on C - we've got a million more of these things coming if 
someone can't ban or moderate her! It's very ironic to get spammed AT 
GREAT LENGTH on a list devoted to this piece of list software.





From dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca  Tue Jun 29 20:23:18 2004
From: dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca (dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:23:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apologies
Message-ID: <OFE36E148E.C0FCCB22-ON85256EC2.0064BBD6@ssss.gouv.qc.ca>

We are sorry for the inconvenience caused to your discussion group.
We thought we were sending this out to North American medical libraries
exchange group.

St?phanie




From relson at osagesoftware.com  Tue Jun 29 20:34:34 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:34:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apologies
In-Reply-To: <OFE36E148E.C0FCCB22-ON85256EC2.0064BBD6@ssss.gouv.qc.ca>
References: <OFE36E148E.C0FCCB22-ON85256EC2.0064BBD6@ssss.gouv.qc.ca>
Message-ID: <20040629143434.454ea4a8@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:23:18 -0400
dseguin at ssss.gouv.qc.ca wrote:

> We are sorry for the inconvenience caused to your discussion group.
> We thought we were sending this out to North American medical
> libraries exchange group.
> 
> St?phanie

Thank you Stephanie for letting us know that it was an honest mistake.



From relson at osagesoftware.com  Tue Jun 29 20:39:45 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:39:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Available : Current Clinical Topics in
	Infectious Diseases
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040629110513.01d79008@127.0.0.1>
References: <OF04B1A2D6.89211DD8-ON85256EC2.00627DE4@ssss.gouv.qc.ca>
	<6.0.3.0.0.20040629110513.01d79008@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <20040629143945.2f0d94c8@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:06:06 -0700
Steve Portigal wrote:

> 
> 
> She's only on C - we've got a million more of these things coming if 
> someone can't ban or moderate her! It's very ironic to get spammed AT 
> GREAT LENGTH on a list devoted to this piece of list software.

and that's a good argument for subscriber only lists, such as I have for
bogofilter.  As the administrator for bogofilter's lists, I get to hit
the "discard all deferred message" button every day, but my subscribers
don't ever see the spam.  Works for me :-)



From maillists at conactive.com  Tue Jun 29 21:31:31 2004
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:31:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bogus archive directory messages to mailman list
Message-ID: <VA.0000190d.022b676e@virtual-access.org>

This is Mailman 2.1.5rc on Linux. I have seen this happen with 2.1.4 as 
well.
Each night nightly-gzip creates a complaint about this:

List kunden-alle has a bogus archive_directory: 
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/kunden-alle

I'm not sure what it means. There's a symlink from private pointing to a 
non-existant directory in public. I removed that symlink but it still 
creates the same message. So, what does it want? Do I need to change 
configuration somewhere? (archiving = no) Or should I have created the 
directory the symlink was pointing to instead of removing the symlink?

(this list was created by copying a list directory with all content and 
then editing the new list. This way the original archive directory wasn't 
copied.)

Ok, that was one question, probably easily explained. But there's more. 
This message is obviously sent to the mailman umbrella list which doesn't 
accept it because the sender (root@<hostname>) is not a member of the 
list. Should I add it to the list, should I do something else? I just 
created that list as I was told in some Mailman setup instruction. There 
wasn't anything about adding members in it. This list doesn't have any 
members.

Kai

-- 

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From rxweb+ at pitt.edu  Tue Jun 29 22:14:47 2004
From: rxweb+ at pitt.edu (Thomas Waters)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:14:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading Panther Server basic install 2.1.2 to
	2.1.5
In-Reply-To: <p0600201dbd074416ffc1@[10.0.1.6]>
References: <67A9E26A-C9E5-11D8-83B5-000A95AE8AF2@pitt.edu>
	<p0600201dbd074416ffc1@[10.0.1.6]>
Message-ID: <F7D2166A-CA08-11D8-BB4E-000A95AE8AF2@pitt.edu>

  I set up a text box to work on before touching the real machine. Clean  
install of Panther Server, created a few lists.downloaded 2.1.5.  And  
I'm happy to write up what I did atfer I'm successfully done.  But  
then, I'm stuck.  I guess I'm looking for step by step.

OK. v So I have the 2.1.5 folder on the desktop.  Do I want to use the  
terminal and mv to move the directory to the location of the existing  
directly? Will this overwrite everything in /usr/share/mailman? Then  
run bin/update?  Or do I use the terminal to run bin/update from on the  
desktop?


On Jun 29, 2004, at 12:14 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 12:00 PM -0400 2004-06-29, Thomas Waters wrote:
>
>>  1) there is nothing in the upgrading doc that specifically talks  
>> about
>>  2.1.2 -> 2.1.5. So, is the info for 2.1.4 -> 2.1.5 sufficient?
>
> 	It should be.
>
>>  2) On the Readme OS X- seems to speak to Jaquar and is out of
>>  date/not applicable to 10.3.x?
>
> 	Apple has not contributed their changes to Mailman back to the  
> project, nor have they contributed any documentation back to the  
> project about what they changed.  What is here is what people have  
> created on their own.
>
> 	So far as I know, all the people running Mailman on MacOS X are  
> either doing it from stuff they've installed themselves on Jaguar, or  
> they're using the Apple-bundled stuff on Panther Server.  I don't know  
> of anyone who has tried using the standard Mailman stuff on Panther  
> (as opposed to Panther Server).
>
> 	See  
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? 
> req=show&file=faq01.021.htp>.
>
>
> 	Once you get your upgrade done, it would be nice if you could  
> contribute your experiences and knowledge back to the project, to try  
> to help fill this gap.
>
>>  3) In the Readme, under "create your first list" , the default  
>> location
>>  is listed as /usr/local/mailman.  On my server, it is  
>> usr/share/mailman.
>>  Should that be changed?
>
> 	It depends on what was done by the guy who originally installed it.   
> However, it seems plausible that all references to /usr/local/mailman  
> would need to be changed to /usr/share/mailman on your system.
>
>>  I don't have very many lists, and I'm need to delete all members and
>>  re-import list menmbers, so I'm happy to wipe it all clean and start
>>  from scratch if needed.
>
> 	The update over the stuff you have now should be relatively clean.   
> Should be.
>
>>  4) the dir, usr/share/mailman does not contain everything that I see  
>> in
>>  the 2.1.5 folder I downloaded.
>
> 	That's not a good sign.  Is there a directory named "mailman"  
> anywhere else on the system?
>
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>
--
Thomas Waters
Director of Information and Communication Services
University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy
412-383-7471
rxweb+ at pitt.edu
http://www.pharmacy.pitt.edu




From lists at lastonepicked.com  Tue Jun 29 22:57:12 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:57:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Nailing Down High CPU
Message-ID: <BD0725B8.28376%lists@lastonepicked.com>

I am trying to pinpoint the high CPU utilization on my server when sending
to a large announcement list (35,000 members).

When we send out an email, the 'python2' process eats up 80-90% of the CPU
time.

Some info:

Red Hat EL 2.1 on dual AMD.
We ARE running a local caching nameserver.
Mailman 2.1.5
Sendmail-8.11.6-28.72 (Red Hat supplied RPM)

SMTP_MAC_RCPTS = 10 (is this a good value??? I have no idea.)
QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME = hours(20)
QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = minutes(120)
QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 50000

To be honest, I don't really know what the impact of all of those settings
are. The list is 'general purpose', in that users are subscribed from many
domains, with a large bulk being AOL, MSN, Yahoo, and Hotmail.

I've read through the FAQ entries 4.11 and 4.12. The latter went over our
heads a bit. We are not running with full customization.

If there is something seriously amiss with our configuration, please give me
a shout!

Thanks,
Hunter





From steve at portigal.com  Wed Jun 30 00:29:52 2004
From: steve at portigal.com (Steve Portigal)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:29:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Available : Current Clinical Topics in
	Infectious Diseases
In-Reply-To: <VA.0000190c.022b676e@virtual-access.org>
References: <OF04B1A2D6.89211DD8-ON85256EC2.00627DE4@ssss.gouv.qc.ca>
	<6.0.3.0.0.20040629110513.01d79008@127.0.0.1>
	<VA.0000190c.022b676e@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040629152942.01f7e458@127.0.0.1>

She was posting titles alphabetically and had reached the letter C

Kai Schaetzl wrote:
 >Steve Portigal wrote on Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:06:06 -0700:
 >
 >> She's only on C
 >>
 >
 >C ?
 >
 >
 >Kai
 >
 >--
 >
 >Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
 >Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
 >IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org

Steve Portigal
http://www.portigal.com 




From gwaugh at scu.edu.au  Wed Jun 30 01:32:35 2004
From: gwaugh at scu.edu.au (Guy Waugh)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:32:35 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Load-balancing Mailman in LVS cluster
In-Reply-To: <p06002011bd06ef1011d9@[10.0.1.6]>
References: <40E0EBA8.7040901@scu.edu.au> <p06002011bd06ef1011d9@[10.0.1.6]>
Message-ID: <40E1FC13.5080902@scu.edu.au>

Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 2:10 PM +1000 2004-06-29, Guy Waugh wrote:
>
>>  I want to set up Mailman in a load-balanced fashion on two servers
>>  running within an LVS (linux virtual server) cluster. I want the two
>>  servers to act as the same Mailman instance.
>
>
>     Okay, so far.
>
>>                                                The two servers will 
>> mount
>>  an NFS shared directory from a third server, and the NFS mount will, I
>>  guess, contain the shared Mailman stuff.
>
>
>     There's a problem.  NFS sucks at operations that require lots of 
> file locking.  Of course, all queueing type operations involving mail 
> servers involve lots of file locking.
>
>     This is why you do not ever put /var/spool/mqueue on NFS, whereas 
> you can find ways to kinda-semi-sorta deal with the NFS locking 
> problem for user mailboxes on /var/spool/mail (all solutions to this 
> problem involve trade-offs that hurt performance in other areas).

The system I'm building already has apache on each of the two 
application servers in the cluster, and the web docroot is NFS-shared 
between the two from the third server I mentioned above, so there 
shouldn't be any dramas with the web archives that Mailman generates 
(unless there are file locking issues with these...?). Similarly, 
sendmail is a standalone app on both servers, so actually sending mail 
shouldn't be a problem. Mailman will be sending mail to other servers 
outside the cluster (i.e. no user accounts exist within the cluster). 
So, my only problem (I think) with this is going to be with Mailman...

>
>     Likewise, Mailman does file locking with the queueing process that 
> it manages.
>
>
>     If you can find a way to put things on a proper clustered 
> filesystem, that should work much better.  Sistina GFS may work for 
> you, or possibly Veritas VxFS plus their VCS tools.

I wasn't aware of those, so thanks for letting me know. We do run RHEL3, 
so GFS would be an option, but for US$2,200, I think I'd have an uphill 
battle justifying it. I see that NFS has an option of 'noac' (no 
attribute caching) which sounds potentially useful for me - I don't know 
whether that directly relates to file locking, though.

>
>>                                            I've found a few things on 
>> the
>>  web about load-balancing Mailman, but not much.
>
>
>     The thing is that you can run the web server for Mailman separate 
> from the mail servers.  So, you could cluster the mail servers in a 
> scalable way that will work for you, and then separately work on the 
> issue of building a scalable web farm solution for the rest.
>
>>  Further, is anyone running Mailman in a load-balanced fashion like 
>> this?
>>  Any hints/tricks/tips?
>
>
>     If you are interested in splitting of the mail cluster part of 
> this equations, then I suggest you look at the parts of the FAQ that 
> talk about performance tuning, especially the stuff in section 6. The 
> most extensive entry is at 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.003.htp>.

OK, thanks, I'll check that out...

Regards,
Guy.




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun 30 01:18:26 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:18:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading Panther Server basic
	install 2.1.2 to  2.1.5
In-Reply-To: <F7D2166A-CA08-11D8-BB4E-000A95AE8AF2@pitt.edu>
References: <67A9E26A-C9E5-11D8-83B5-000A95AE8AF2@pitt.edu>
	<p0600201dbd074416ffc1@[10.0.1.6]>
	<F7D2166A-CA08-11D8-BB4E-000A95AE8AF2@pitt.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002001bd07a79889b9@[10.0.1.6]>

At 4:14 PM -0400 2004-06-29, Thomas Waters wrote:

>  OK. v So I have the 2.1.5 folder on the desktop.  Do I want to use the
>  terminal and mv to move the directory to the location of the existing
>  directly?

	No, you don't want to do that.

>             Will this overwrite everything in /usr/share/mailman? Then
>  run bin/update?  Or do I use the terminal to run bin/update from on
>  the desktop?

	Problem is, we don't know the specific options that Apple used 
when they built the previous version.  You could try using "make 
update" from Terminal at the top level of the Mailman folder, but 
you'd need to make sure to specify the correct target Folder.  That 
might also miss some other build options.  Unfortunately, Apple 
didn't document anything, so we're pretty much completely blind.

	To do this right, I fear that you're going to have to do a 
complete fresh install and then copy over selected data.  You may (or 
may not) be able to copy over the configuration files, so you may be 
forced to regenerate that information.


	This is a typical problem with any vendor pre-packaged version of 
a program.  Do you stick with the package version, which the vendor 
is responsible for making sure works, or do you install the current 
version from source?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun 30 01:21:39 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:21:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Nailing Down High CPU
In-Reply-To: <BD0725B8.28376%lists@lastonepicked.com>
References: <BD0725B8.28376%lists@lastonepicked.com>
Message-ID: <p06002002bd07a986fdb6@[10.0.1.6]>

At 1:57 PM -0700 2004-06-29, Hunter Hillegas wrote:

>  I've read through the FAQ entries 4.11 and 4.12. The latter went over our
>  heads a bit. We are not running with full customization.

	Since you're not doing customization, you don't have to worry 
about the performance hit that VERP can cause.

	Given that you're running sendmail as your MTA and you've already 
addressed the issue of running a local caching nameserver, you really 
need to take a look at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.003.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun 30 02:02:38 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 02:02:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Load-balancing Mailman in LVS cluster
In-Reply-To: <40E1FC13.5080902@scu.edu.au>
References: <40E0EBA8.7040901@scu.edu.au>
	<p06002011bd06ef1011d9@[10.0.1.6]> <40E1FC13.5080902@scu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <p06002005bd07b03c904e@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:32 AM +1000 2004-06-30, Guy Waugh wrote:

>  The system I'm building already has apache on each of the two application
>  servers in the cluster, and the web docroot is NFS-shared between the two
>  from the third server I mentioned above, so there shouldn't be any dramas
>  with the web archives that Mailman generates (unless there are file locking
>  issues with these...?).

	I wouldn't expect the web archives would have problems with locking, no.

	But keep in mind that this is a very small part of what Mailman does.

>                           Similarly, sendmail is a standalone app on
>  both servers, so actually sending mail shouldn't be a problem. Mailman
>  will be sending mail to other servers outside the cluster (i.e. no user
>  accounts exist within the cluster). So, my only problem (I think) with
>  this is going to be with Mailman...

	That seems likely.

	The other pieces of this puzzle are pretty well understood on the 
scalability side of the picture, and you can pull out a whole host of 
known workable solutions, depending on your particular needs.

>  I wasn't aware of those, so thanks for letting me know. We do run RHEL3,
>  so GFS would be an option, but for US$2,200, I think I'd have an uphill
>  battle justifying it. I see that NFS has an option of 'noac' (no attribute
>  caching) which sounds potentially useful for me - I don't know whether
>  that directly relates to file locking, though.

	You need noac when sharing filesystems like this for other 
reasons, but it has nothing to do with file locking.

	The problem is that locking is handled outside of the NFS 
protocol per se.  You have lock manager daemons running on both the 
server and the client, and while NFS is supposedly stateless, they 
are not.  And it is not uncommon for the server and client lock 
manager daemons to get out-of-sync in a busy environment.  In 
addition to handling locking, these daemons also handle mount 
requests.

	NFSv4 is being re-written to become more stateful and to bring 
the management of locks inside the base protocol, so that you don't 
have to worry about lock managers that lose their minds or simply 
roll over and die, and filesystems that can be read from and written 
to because the NFS side of the server is still working fine, but 
which cannot handle locking or be mounted or unmounted because the 
lock manager daemon has died.


	Scaling NFS servers in a write-intensive environment is a very 
hard task.  You end up doing all sorts of crazy things to avoid any 
kind of lock creation (much less contention).

	Proper cluster-aware filesystems avoid these kinds of issues, and 
make it much easier to scale the systems involved.  However, as you 
noted, they are expensive.  The question becomes how much is your 
time worth, and how much do you lose when everything goes 
Tango-Uniform (T**ts-Up)?  Here, you've got to look not only at your 
direct loss of revenue, but also the cost of lost opportunities.


	There's a reason why cluster filesystems are so expensive -- this 
is hard to get right.  Moreover, people will pay big money for those 
applications which *do* get it right.  They've done the cost/benefit 
analysis and they figured out that if it takes one of their engineers 
an extra month to build the system, their MTBF is 1/100th what it 
would be, and their time/cost to repair is higher due to the custom 
nature of the solution, then the stuff pays for itself in the first 
outage -- or the first outage that they avoid.

	I *still* haven't seen anything to compare with VaxCluster 
solutions in this field that were created something like fifteen or 
twenty years ago.  Some of those things are still running, for that 
reason.


	Don't get me wrong, NFS is great.  But if you're trying to build 
a scalable network solution, it can be a very poor choice, depending 
on the application.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From gwaugh at scu.edu.au  Wed Jun 30 02:41:46 2004
From: gwaugh at scu.edu.au (Guy Waugh)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:41:46 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Load-balancing Mailman in LVS cluster
In-Reply-To: <p06002005bd07b03c904e@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <40E0EBA8.7040901@scu.edu.au> <p06002011bd06ef1011d9@[10.0.1.6]>
	<40E1FC13.5080902@scu.edu.au> <p06002005bd07b03c904e@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <40E20C4A.9040108@scu.edu.au>

Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 9:32 AM +1000 2004-06-30, Guy Waugh wrote:
>
>>  The system I'm building already has apache on each of the two 
>> application
>>  servers in the cluster, and the web docroot is NFS-shared between 
>> the two
>>  from the third server I mentioned above, so there shouldn't be any 
>> dramas
>>  with the web archives that Mailman generates (unless there are file 
>> locking
>>  issues with these...?).
>
>
>     I wouldn't expect the web archives would have problems with 
> locking, no.
>
>     But keep in mind that this is a very small part of what Mailman does.
>
>>                           Similarly, sendmail is a standalone app on
>>  both servers, so actually sending mail shouldn't be a problem. Mailman
>>  will be sending mail to other servers outside the cluster (i.e. no user
>>  accounts exist within the cluster). So, my only problem (I think) with
>>  this is going to be with Mailman...
>
>
>     That seems likely.
>
>     The other pieces of this puzzle are pretty well understood on the 
> scalability side of the picture, and you can pull out a whole host of 
> known workable solutions, depending on your particular needs.
>
>>  I wasn't aware of those, so thanks for letting me know. We do run 
>> RHEL3,
>>  so GFS would be an option, but for US$2,200, I think I'd have an uphill
>>  battle justifying it. I see that NFS has an option of 'noac' (no 
>> attribute
>>  caching) which sounds potentially useful for me - I don't know whether
>>  that directly relates to file locking, though.
>
>
>     You need noac when sharing filesystems like this for other 
> reasons, but it has nothing to do with file locking.
>
>     The problem is that locking is handled outside of the NFS protocol 
> per se.  You have lock manager daemons running on both the server and 
> the client, and while NFS is supposedly stateless, they are not.  And 
> it is not uncommon for the server and client lock manager daemons to 
> get out-of-sync in a busy environment.  In addition to handling 
> locking, these daemons also handle mount requests.
>
>     NFSv4 is being re-written to become more stateful and to bring the 
> management of locks inside the base protocol, so that you don't have 
> to worry about lock managers that lose their minds or simply roll over 
> and die, and filesystems that can be read from and written to because 
> the NFS side of the server is still working fine, but which cannot 
> handle locking or be mounted or unmounted because the lock manager 
> daemon has died.
>
>
>     Scaling NFS servers in a write-intensive environment is a very 
> hard task.  You end up doing all sorts of crazy things to avoid any 
> kind of lock creation (much less contention).
>
>     Proper cluster-aware filesystems avoid these kinds of issues, and 
> make it much easier to scale the systems involved.  However, as you 
> noted, they are expensive.  The question becomes how much is your time 
> worth, and how much do you lose when everything goes Tango-Uniform 
> (T**ts-Up)?  Here, you've got to look not only at your direct loss of 
> revenue, but also the cost of lost opportunities.
>
>
>     There's a reason why cluster filesystems are so expensive -- this 
> is hard to get right.  Moreover, people will pay big money for those 
> applications which *do* get it right.  They've done the cost/benefit 
> analysis and they figured out that if it takes one of their engineers 
> an extra month to build the system, their MTBF is 1/100th what it 
> would be, and their time/cost to repair is higher due to the custom 
> nature of the solution, then the stuff pays for itself in the first 
> outage -- or the first outage that they avoid.
>
>     I *still* haven't seen anything to compare with VaxCluster 
> solutions in this field that were created something like fifteen or 
> twenty years ago.  Some of those things are still running, for that 
> reason.
>
>
>     Don't get me wrong, NFS is great.  But if you're trying to build a 
> scalable network solution, it can be a very poor choice, depending on 
> the application.

Thanks for the great info Brad - saved me a lot of running around... 
luckily, I have a few weeks up my sleeve before I need to get this 
sorted out, so I might play around with NFS and see what occurs. If NFS 
does fail, I'll investigate running Mailman out of one of the two app 
servers, and keeping an rsynced backup somewhere else for redundancy. 
GFS or Veritas sound like just what I need, but I can visualise my 
manager's lips screaming the word 'NO...' when I request the money 8-)

Cheers,
Guy.



From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com  Wed Jun 30 04:54:54 2004
From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:54:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading Panther Server basic install 2.1.2
	to  2.1.5
In-Reply-To: <p0600201dbd074416ffc1@[10.0.1.6]>
Message-ID: <BD0795AE.B719%lstone19@stonejongleux.com>

On 6/29/04 11:14 AM, Brad Knowles at brad.knowles at skynet.be wrote:

> So far as I know, all the people running Mailman on MacOS X are
> either doing it from stuff they've installed themselves on Jaguar, or
> they're using the Apple-bundled stuff on Panther Server.  I don't
> know of anyone who has tried using the standard Mailman stuff on
> Panther (as opposed to Panther Server).

Well, I have Mailman 2.1.4 running just fine on Panther (regular, not
Server). I basically followed the instructions contained in
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-October/022944.html>
(which deals with getting Mailman running under Jaguar) modified for the
fact that Panther includes Postfix rather than Sendmail and I already had
Postfix running. I don't recall exactly what I had to differently but I
don't recall any major problems. FWIW, I have Mailman installed in
/Applications/Mailman (that's the Applications folder when viewed from the
Mac Desktop).

I wish I could be more helpful but it's very doable and didn't take a lot of
work.

-- Larry Stone
   larry at stonejongleux.com
   http://www.stonejongleux.com/
   




From spork at bway.net  Wed Jun 30 06:23:52 2004
From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:23:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig and paths
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0406300023320.544@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>

Hi,

I'm at my wit's end here...  I've got MM 2.1.5 w/htdig patches (via
FreeBSD port), and while it seems very close to working, it's not quite
right, or perhaps in my reading of the patch install/config guide I just
missed something.

Everything seems to be happening correctly; a new post to a list gets the
htdig directory added.  If I manually run the nightly script (as mailman),
that works without error.  I get the search box, and I get search results.

However, the links to each message look like this:

http://myhost.com/htdig/listname/2004-June/000008.html

Which of course isn't a valid URL; all the archives look either like this:

http://myhost.com/pipermail/2004-June/000008.html

or

http://myhost.com/private/2004-June/000008.html

Even if I go into the archive/private/htdig/listname.conf file and alter
the URL (url_part_aliases) and run the nightly script I still get the
bogus URL.

What am I missing here?  Was there some Alias I was supposed to add to my
apache config?  What else can I tell you about the config?

Thanks,

Charles

___
Charles Sprickman
NetEng/SysAdmin
Bway.net - New York's Best Internet - www.bway.net
spork at bway.net - 212.655.9344




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Jun 30 07:40:50 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:40:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig and paths
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0406300023320.544@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0406300023320.544@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
Message-ID: <0B42585F-CA58-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 30 Jun 2004, at 05:23, Charles Sprickman wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm at my wit's end here...  I've got MM 2.1.5 w/htdig patches (via
> FreeBSD port), and while it seems very close to working, it's not quite
> right, or perhaps in my reading of the patch install/config guide I 
> just
> missed something.
>
> Everything seems to be happening correctly; a new post to a list gets 
> the
> htdig directory added.  If I manually run the nightly script (as 
> mailman),
> that works without error.  I get the search box, and I get search 
> results.
>
> However, the links to each message look like this:
>
> http://myhost.com/htdig/listname/2004-June/000008.html
>
> Which of course isn't a valid URL; all the archives look either like 
> this:
>
> http://myhost.com/pipermail/2004-June/000008.html
>
> or
>
> http://myhost.com/private/2004-June/000008.html
>
> Even if I go into the archive/private/htdig/listname.conf file and 
> alter
> the URL (url_part_aliases) and run the nightly script I still get the
> bogus URL.
>

This is explained in the INSTALL.htdig-mm file (or its HTML version) 
added to the $build directory by the patch:

<quote>
$prefix/cgi-bin/htdig
$prefix/Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py

these are a CGI script and its wrapper, which is always on the path of 
URLs
returned from searches of htdig indices. The script provides secure 
access to
such URLs in the same way that the $prefix/cgi-bin/private and
$prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py. Both htdig.py and private.py ensures 
private
archives are kept private, applying the same criteria for permitting 
access.
Additionally, htdig.py delivers material from public archives without 
demanding
any authentication.
</quote>

Normal installation of Mailman, after applying the patch to the source 
distribution, should handle things.

> What am I missing here?  Was there some Alias I was supposed to add to 
> my
> apache config?  What else can I tell you about the config?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charles
>
> ___
> Charles Sprickman
> NetEng/SysAdmin
> Bway.net - New York's Best Internet - www.bway.net
> spork at bway.net - 212.655.9344




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun 30 12:54:40 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:54:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading Panther Server basic
	install 2.1.2 	to  2.1.5
In-Reply-To: <BD0795AE.B719%lstone19@stonejongleux.com>
References: <BD0795AE.B719%lstone19@stonejongleux.com>
Message-ID: <p06002007bd084c5135c5@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:54 PM -0500 2004-06-29, Larry Stone wrote:

>  Well, I have Mailman 2.1.4 running just fine on Panther (regular, not
>  Server). I basically followed the instructions contained in
>  <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-October/022944.html>
>  (which deals with getting Mailman running under Jaguar) modified for the
>  fact that Panther includes Postfix rather than Sendmail and I already had
>  Postfix running.

	If you can remember exactly what you did, we can update the FAQ 
to include your comments.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun 30 12:58:09 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:58:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading Panther Server basic
	install 2.1.2 to 2.1.5
In-Reply-To: <14D71B42-CA2D-11D8-921E-0003938667C6@mac.com>
References: <67A9E26A-C9E5-11D8-83B5-000A95AE8AF2@pitt.edu>
	<p0600201dbd074416ffc1@[10.0.1.6]>
	<F7D2166A-CA08-11D8-BB4E-000A95AE8AF2@pitt.edu>
	<p06002001bd07a79889b9@[10.0.1.6]>
	<14D71B42-CA2D-11D8-921E-0003938667C6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06002008bd084c9e47c0@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:33 PM -0400 2004-06-29, Thomas Waters wrote:

>  Mailman has worked really well for me, but as someone coming to Panther
>  Server and Mailman from running a webstar server, it is a big jump- a
>  BIG change.  Better docs to help the newbie/clueless would go a long way.

	We understand.  We'd like to have better documentation, but this 
is an open source project, and our only support is from the 
community.  If vendors like Apple would contribute their changes (and 
documentation) back to the project, then that would make things a lot 
easier.

	As it is, we have to take what we can get from the sources we 
have available.  If you can help us clarify the documentation so that 
it is more useful to you, that will help us help you -- and others.

>  That said, the more I work in this "unix" environment, the easier it
>  gets and the cooler it all seems.  But I still don't *think* unix enough
>  to make it easy yet.  Anyway will give it a shot in the AM and see where
>  I get to.

	Please let us know how it goes.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From chardlist at chard.net  Wed Jun 30 15:07:11 2004
From: chardlist at chard.net (Brendan Chard)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:07:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extract list of lists with population?
Message-ID: <200406301307.i5UD7AkC089656@server5.chard.net>

Is there a command I can run that will quickly tell me the name of each list
on a server AND the number of members in that list?

If not, what's the quickest way to check list membership totals?

Thanks
-Brendan




From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Wed Jun 30 15:15:27 2004
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:15:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading Panther Server basic install 2.1.2 to
	2.1.5
In-Reply-To: <p06002007bd084c5135c5@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <BD0795AE.B719%lstone19@stonejongleux.com>
	<p06002007bd084c5135c5@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <8D8AF2EF-CA97-11D8-83BE-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>


On Jun 30, 2004, at 5:54 AM, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 9:54 PM -0500 2004-06-29, Larry Stone wrote:
>>  Well, I have Mailman 2.1.4 running just fine on Panther (regular, not
>>  Server). I basically followed the instructions contained in
>>   
>> <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-October/ 
>> 022944.html>
>>  (which deals with getting Mailman running under Jaguar) modified for  
>> the
>>  fact that Panther includes Postfix rather than Sendmail and I  
>> already had
>>  Postfix running.
>
> 	If you can remember exactly what you did, we can update the FAQ to  
> include your comments.
>

This is a completely different animal however, in that non-Server  
Panther does not come with Mailman already installed (at least mine  
didn't). This is just a plain fresh install rather than an update of an  
Apple modified installation.


Dan
================================
Dan Phillips
Professor of Horn, University of Memphis
site administrator: music.memphis.edu




From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in  Wed Jun 30 15:30:38 2004
From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:00:38 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner
In-Reply-To: <p06002020bd074823f29f@[10.0.1.6]>
References: <1088525784.4182.16.camel@baby.espersunited.com>
	<p06002020bd074823f29f@[10.0.1.6]>
Message-ID: <29020.195.212.28.100.1088602238.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>

This will typically happen when you run "mailmanctl" command as a
non-mailman user.

Make sure that the /etc/rc.d/mailman script runs the "maimanctl
stop/start/restart" command as "su -c mailmanctl mailman
start/stop/restart"

Or add a script to /etc/rc.d/rc.local which runs mailmanctl start command
as a user "mailman". (i.e. use su -mailman as described above)

--yogesh


> At 11:16 AM -0500 2004-06-29, Michael Sullivan wrote:
>
>>  I issued the "service mailman restart" command to which it gave the the
>>  output:
>>
>>  [root at bullet Mailman]# service mailman restart
>>  PID unreadable in: /var/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid
>>  [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
>>  '/var/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid'
>>  Is qrunner even running?
>
> 	This should just be a warning.  If not, then issue a "stop"
> followed by a "start", and that should do the job.  If not, then it
> would appear that you've got a problem with your service management
> system -- try using mailmanctl directly.
>
>>  I ls'd /var/mailman/data and the only thing in there was sitelist.cfg
>>  I've encountered this error in my many previous unsucessful attempts to
>>  get mailman to work.  How do I make qrunner run?  I don't understand
>> the
>>  option documentation...
>
> 	Did you look at the directory before the restart, or after?  Are
> you sure that there aren't other processes on the system that
> periodically clean out the /var/mailman/data directory?
>
> --
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>      -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>


--yogesh

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them
all and in the darkness bind them.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++




From yogesh at unipune.ernet.in  Wed Jun 30 15:37:22 2004
From: yogesh at unipune.ernet.in (Yogesh Subhash Talekar)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:07:22 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] From Address and non-member posts
Message-ID: <39553.195.212.28.100.1088602642.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>

hi

two questions:

1. When I post to my mailming list the From address comes like
"mylist-bounces at mydomain.com". Why can't I have the from address as the
address of the sender?

2. I want the posts from non-members to go through successfully and
without moderation? How to do it from command line?

Also, I want to make sure that non-members do not become memebers when
they post mails !

Thanks in advance.

--yogesh




From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Jun 30 15:44:17 2004
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:44:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] From Address and non-member posts
In-Reply-To: <39553.195.212.28.100.1088602642.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
References: <39553.195.212.28.100.1088602642.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
Message-ID: <20040630134417.GB4650@charite.de>

* Yogesh Subhash Talekar <yogesh at unipune.ernet.in>:
> hi
> 
> two questions:
> 
> 1. When I post to my mailming list the From address comes like
> "mylist-bounces at mydomain.com". Why can't I have the from address as the
> address of the sender?

Because that's where bounces go, and you want automatic unsubscription
to work, don't you?
 
-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a)   Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de
Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin            Tel.  +49 (0)30-450 570-155
Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin    Fax.  +49 (0)30-450 570-916
IT-Zentrum Standort Campus Mitte                          AIM.  ralfpostfix



From theall at tifaware.com  Wed Jun 30 15:56:09 2004
From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:56:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig and paths
In-Reply-To: <0B42585F-CA58-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0406300023320.544@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
	<0B42585F-CA58-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20040630135609.GA20853@tifaware.com>

On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 06:40:50AM +0100, Richard Barrett wrote:

> On 30 Jun 2004, at 05:23, Charles Sprickman wrote:

> >I'm at my wit's end here...  I've got MM 2.1.5 w/htdig patches (via
> >FreeBSD port), 

> Normal installation of Mailman, after applying the patch to the source 
> distribution, should handle things.

You might want to check whether the htdig patches applied successfully. 
It doesn't look like they were updated for 2.1.5 in ports, and I found
OpenInfo's patches for 2.1.4 required minor modifications to work with
2.1.5.  [Email if interested.  I did send them to Richard a while back.]

George
-- 
theall at tifaware.com
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From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun 30 15:37:08 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:37:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading Panther Server basic
	install 2.1.2 	to  2.1.5
In-Reply-To: <8D8AF2EF-CA97-11D8-83BE-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
References: <BD0795AE.B719%lstone19@stonejongleux.com>
	<p06002007bd084c5135c5@[10.0.1.3]>
	<8D8AF2EF-CA97-11D8-83BE-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <p0600200fbd08724c1cce@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:15 AM -0500 2004-06-30, Dan Phillips wrote:

>  This is a completely different animal however, in that non-Server Panther
>  does not come with Mailman already installed (at least mine didn't). This
>  is just a plain fresh install rather than an update of an Apple modified
>  installation.

	I understand.  This is still a configuration I'd like to see 
specifically addressed in the documentation/FAQ.

	Handling the Panther Server issues is a separate matter, one that 
we may not be able to solve.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From wfroning at pacific.edu  Wed Jun 30 16:28:32 2004
From: wfroning at pacific.edu (Will Froning)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:28:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: 2.1.5 and htdig patches for 2.1.4 - SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <opr9fsufi0mxztld@rundmca.stk.pacific.edu>
References: <opr9fsufi0mxztld@rundmca.stk.pacific.edu>
Message-ID: <opsaevtufxmxztld@rundmca.stk.pacific.edu>

Figured it out.  I was stupid and copied over TOC_htsearch.html (the 2.1.1  
version) to ~mailman/templates/site/en/.  It had the old style htsearch  
information.

Thanks,
Will

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:48:05 -0700, Will Froning <wfroning at pacific.edu>  
wrote:

> Does anyone know if the htdig patches for 2.1.4 will work on 2.1.5  
> (FreeBSD ports does this)?
>
> I ask because I tried and it's not liking me so much... This morning I  
> upgraded both python2.2 and Mailman2.1.1 to 2.3.4 and 2.1.5,  
> respectively.  Mailman works like a charm, but htdig integration doesn't  
> work.
>
> I tried the suggestions listed in  
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-February/026845.html  
> but it's doesn't make a difference.  By not working one of 2 things  
> happens.
>
> 1. Existing lists get "Unable to read configuration file", but the file  
> is there and readable.
>
> 2. If I run bin/blow_away_htdig -c listname and rerun nightly_htdig it  
> processes the files cleanly, but it creates a url of the form  
> "https://lists.pacific.edu/mailman/private/testlist/%(htsearchcgi)s".
>
> Any hints?
>
> Thanks,
> Will



-- 
Will Froning
Unix Sys. Admin.
(209)946-7470
(209)662-4725
wfroning at Pacific.EDU



From relson at osagesoftware.com  Wed Jun 30 16:55:40 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:55:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] From Address and non-member posts
In-Reply-To: <20040630134417.GB4650@charite.de>
References: <39553.195.212.28.100.1088602642.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
	<20040630134417.GB4650@charite.de>
Message-ID: <20040630105540.46668d9f@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:44:17 +0200
Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:

> * Yogesh Subhash Talekar <yogesh at unipune.ernet.in>:
> > hi
> > 
> > two questions:
> > 
> > 1. When I post to my mailming list the From address comes like
> > "mylist-bounces at mydomain.com". Why can't I have the from address as
> > the address of the sender?
> 
> Because that's where bounces go, and you want automatic unsubscription
> to work, don't you?

And, as a subscriber, I don't want all the bounce messages coming to me!
 As Ralf says, let mailman see the bounces and deal with them.



From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Wed Jun 30 18:16:21 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian A B Eiloart)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:16:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] From Address and non-member posts
In-Reply-To: <20040630105540.46668d9f@osage.osagesoftware.com>
References: <39553.195.212.28.100.1088602642.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
	<20040630134417.GB4650@charite.de>
	<20040630105540.46668d9f@osage.osagesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <1AA88345A3C49875EADB9A1E@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>

--On Wednesday, June 30, 2004 10:55 am -0400 David Relson 
<relson at osagesoftware.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:44:17 +0200
> Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
>
>> * Yogesh Subhash Talekar <yogesh at unipune.ernet.in>:
>> > hi
>> >
>> > two questions:
>> >
>> > 1. When I post to my mailming list the From address comes like
>> > "mylist-bounces at mydomain.com". Why can't I have the from address as
>> > the address of the sender?
>>
>> Because that's where bounces go, and you want automatic unsubscription
>> to work, don't you?
>
> And, as a subscriber, I don't want all the bounce messages coming to me!
>  As Ralf says, let mailman see the bounces and deal with them.

No, that's wrong. The question was about the "From:" address. Bounces go to 
the "Sender:" address. The from address has to be the person who composed 
the message. The sender address is the agent that sent it to the recipient.

There is an option in the "General Options" page of the web management 
utility which hides the original sender of the message. "Hide the sender of 
a message, replacing it with the list  address (Removes From, Sender and 
Reply-To fields)". It fixes a setting called "anonymous_list".

-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun 30 19:08:44 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:08:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] From Address and non-member posts
In-Reply-To: <1AA88345A3C49875EADB9A1E@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
References: <39553.195.212.28.100.1088602642.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
	<20040630134417.GB4650@charite.de>
	<20040630105540.46668d9f@osage.osagesoftware.com>
	<1AA88345A3C49875EADB9A1E@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <p06002019bd08a20f4ea3@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:16 PM +0100 2004-06-30, Ian A B Eiloart wrote:

>>>  > 1. When I post to my mailming list the From address comes like
>>>  > "mylist-bounces at mydomain.com". Why can't I have the from address as
>>>  > the address of the sender?
>>>
>>>  Because that's where bounces go, and you want automatic unsubscription
>>>  to work, don't you?
>>
>>  And, as a subscriber, I don't want all the bounce messages coming to me!
>>   As Ralf says, let mailman see the bounces and deal with them.
>
>  No, that's wrong. The question was about the "From:" address. Bounces
>  go to the "Sender:" address. The from address has to be the person who
>  composed the message. The sender address is the agent that sent it to
>  the recipient.

	There is the header "From:" field, and then there is the envelope 
sender address.  The latter is sometimes indicated as something like:

		From <iane at sussex.ac.uk>

	In particular, note the lack of a colon after the word "From". 
This is sometimes indicated as the "From_" address, where the 
underscore character is understood to stand for a space character in 
this usage.

	It is not exactly clear to me which one is being referred to 
here.  The original quote does not indicate a colon after the word 
"From:", but I'm not 100% certain as to whether or not the author was 
aware of this connotation.


	Note that some MTAs will promote the envelope sender address into 
the header "From:" field (especially if no header "From:" field 
exists), and some MUAs display an address listed in the "Sender:" 
field in addition or in place of the "From:" field (if they are 
different).

	Bounces are sent to the envelope sender address, which may or may 
not be recorded in the "Sender:" field, or elsewhere in the message. 
It's important to distinguish between the envelope sender address and 
the contents of the "From:" and "Sender:" fields, because the 
envelope sender address may be lost or irretrievably altered once the 
message is received.


	You should never attempt to bounce a message to any address in 
any header field -- you should always bounce back to the actual 
envelope sender address.  This obviously causes problems if the 
envelope sender address is lost or irretrievably altered.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Jun 30 19:17:24 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:17:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] From Address and non-member posts
In-Reply-To: <1AA88345A3C49875EADB9A1E@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
References: <39553.195.212.28.100.1088602642.squirrel@unipune.ernet.in>
	<20040630134417.GB4650@charite.de>
	<20040630105540.46668d9f@osage.osagesoftware.com>
	<1AA88345A3C49875EADB9A1E@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <5A8C9ECA-CAB9-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 30 Jun 2004, at 17:16, Ian A B Eiloart wrote:

> --On Wednesday, June 30, 2004 10:55 am -0400 David Relson 
> <relson at osagesoftware.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:44:17 +0200
>> Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
>>
>>> * Yogesh Subhash Talekar <yogesh at unipune.ernet.in>:
>>> > hi
>>> >
>>> > two questions:
>>> >
>>> > 1. When I post to my mailming list the From address comes like
>>> > "mylist-bounces at mydomain.com". Why can't I have the from address as
>>> > the address of the sender?
>>>
>>> Because that's where bounces go, and you want automatic 
>>> unsubscription
>>> to work, don't you?
>>
>> And, as a subscriber, I don't want all the bounce messages coming to 
>> me!
>>  As Ralf says, let mailman see the bounces and deal with them.
>
> No, that's wrong. The question was about the "From:" address. Bounces 
> go to the "Sender:" address.

Almost but not quite. Bounces go to the SMTP envelope sender NOT, as 
Ian says, the address in the message From: header. MM normally puts the 
same value as the envelope sender into the message Sender: header but 
an MTA generating a bounce should only work off the envelope value and 
never off the message headers. In general you can have a different 
value in the Sender: header to the envelope From, which can ameliorate 
the behaviour of some versions of Outlook which upsets some users 
getting mail from lists; see:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp

> The from address has to be the person who composed the message. The 
> sender address is the agent that sent it to the recipient.
>
> There is an option in the "General Options" page of the web management 
> utility which hides the original sender of the message. "Hide the 
> sender of a message, replacing it with the list  address (Removes 
> From, Sender and Reply-To fields)". It fixes a setting called 
> "anonymous_list".
>
> -- 
> Ian Eiloart
> Servers Team
> Sussex University ITS
>




From spork at bway.net  Wed Jun 30 21:11:44 2004
From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:11:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig and paths
In-Reply-To: <0B42585F-CA58-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0406300023320.544@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
	<0B42585F-CA58-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20040630150654.I24700@toad.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, Richard Barrett wrote:

> This is explained in the INSTALL.htdig-mm file (or its HTML version)
> added to the $build directory by the patch:

I can't tell you how many times I read that page.  Lots of info in one
page... :)

Anyhow, today I went and double-checked my ScriptAlias lines, removed an
Alias that referenced "/htdig/", and it's working again...  I'm not sure
how I fixed it, as at some point yesterday I did not have the Alias line
in there.  Testing both private and public lists shows that it works as
expected now (including trying to reach a private URL without logging in;
I get a proper email/pass prompt).

Anyhow, thanks for pointing out that "htdig" is indeed a cgi in the
mailman cgi-bin, that fact slipped my mind yesterday.

Is there any chance this set of patches will ever make it into Mailman?
List archives without an integrated search (especially private lists) are
an absolute necessity; no one wants to page through years of posts to find
what they're looking for...

Thanks for the help and for the excellent patch!

Charles



From tracey at mccartney.net  Wed Jun 30 21:18:52 2004
From: tracey at mccartney.net (Tracey McCartney)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:18:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Global NOMAIL?
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040630141849.08b9e770@mail.fairhousing.com>

Hi:

I am the admin and one of three mods for an announce-only list.  Is there 
an e-mail command I can use to set everyone on the list to NOMAIL 
temporarily so that I can then turn mail back on for a few people in order 
to do some testing?  The list has about 435 subscribers, and using the web 
interface to set everyone's mail bit will get a little tedious.



Thanks,

Tracey 




From marci at womenshost.com  Wed Jun 30 21:34:38 2004
From: marci at womenshost.com (Marci O'Daffer, Managing Director)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:34:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce address showing 
Message-ID: <40E315CE.3040503@womenshost.com>

I am getting complaints from one Mailman user about the bounces address 
showing in her header. When she gets mail, rather than showing the 
message as "from" the person who sent it (and yes, the list set to show 
the sender's email address) it reads like this:

From:  list-bounces at domain.org 
<MAILTO:chossloop-bounces at chossfamilies.org> 
[mailto:list-bounces at domain.org] 
<MAILTO:%5Bmailto:chossloop-bounces at chossfamilies.org%5D> On Behalf Of 
John Jones (or whoever is sending the message)

I am on many mailman lists, and my headers show the bounces address in 
the return-path, and the sender fields, and a few others. But my email 
client only shows the "from" field  unless you actually click the "view 
headers"  icon. I am thinking that her's might be similar, but perhaps 
her client is using the sender field or return-path to display?

Do any of you experience this? I have asked on the listowners list, but 
it seems to be out of commission today.

Marci :)




From jeff at look.net  Wed Jun 30 21:52:25 2004
From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:52:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Global NOMAIL?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040630141849.08b9e770@mail.fairhousing.com>
References: <6.1.0.6.2.20040630141849.08b9e770@mail.fairhousing.com>
Message-ID: <02263A83-CACF-11D8-A589-000A959666F6@look.net>


On Jun 30, 2004, at 3:18 PM, Tracey McCartney wrote:

> Hi:
>
> I am the admin and one of three mods for an announce-only list.  Is 
> there an e-mail command I can use to set everyone on the list to 
> NOMAIL temporarily so that I can then turn mail back on for a few 
> people in order to do some testing?  The list has about 435 
> subscribers, and using the web interface to set everyone's mail bit 
> will get a little tedious.

You can use withlist to do it. Let's say the list is named 'testlist':

# ./withlist -i -l testlist
Loading list testlist (locked)
The variable `m' is the testlist MailList instance
 >>> for member in 
m.getDeliveryStatusMembers((MailList.MemberAdaptor.ENABLED,)):
...          m.setDeliveryStatus(member,MailList.MemberAdaptor.BYADMIN)
...
 >>> m.Save()
 >>>
Unlocking (but not saving) list: testlist


-Jeff




From brad.knowles at skynet.be  Wed Jun 30 22:34:00 2004
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:34:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce address showing
In-Reply-To: <40E315CE.3040503@womenshost.com>
References: <40E315CE.3040503@womenshost.com>
Message-ID: <p0600201cbd08d41407db@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:34 PM -0700 2004-06-30, Marci O'Daffer, Managing Director wrote:

>  From:  list-bounces at domain.org <MAILTO:chossloop-bounces at chossfamilies.org>
>  [mailto:list-bounces at domain.org]
>  <MAILTO:%5Bmailto:chossloop-bounces at chossfamilies.org%5D> On Behalf Of
>  John Jones (or whoever is sending the message)

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Jun 30 23:38:25 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:38:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig and paths
In-Reply-To: <20040630150654.I24700@toad.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.58.0406300023320.544@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
	<0B42585F-CA58-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<20040630150654.I24700@toad.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
Message-ID: <D188B24D-CADD-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

Charles

On 30 Jun 2004, at 20:11, Charles Sprickman wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, Richard Barrett wrote:
>
>> This is explained in the INSTALL.htdig-mm file (or its HTML version)
>> added to the $build directory by the patch:
>
> I can't tell you how many times I read that page.  Lots of info in one
> page... :)

Bit of a brain dump I know. Surprised me to find so much junk in there.

>
> Anyhow, today I went and double-checked my ScriptAlias lines, removed 
> an
> Alias that referenced "/htdig/", and it's working again...  I'm not 
> sure
> how I fixed it, as at some point yesterday I did not have the Alias 
> line
> in there.  Testing both private and public lists shows that it works as
> expected now (including trying to reach a private URL without logging 
> in;
> I get a proper email/pass prompt).
>
> Anyhow, thanks for pointing out that "htdig" is indeed a cgi in the
> mailman cgi-bin, that fact slipped my mind yesterday.
>
> Is there any chance this set of patches will ever make it into Mailman?

Not in my and MM 2.1.x's lifetime. Just hope that the experts producing 
MM 3 get the archive search issue right but do not bet your pension 
fund on it.

> List archives without an integrated search (especially private lists) 
> are
> an absolute necessity; no one wants to page through years of posts to 
> find
> what they're looking for...

Pushing against an open door as far as I am concerned.

>
> Thanks for the help and for the excellent patch!

I will get a set of MM 2.1.5 patches out but as I write I am still 
buried in rewriting some ancient Apache 1.x modules and shell/C hacks 
belonging to a client as coherent set of Apache 2 compatible mod_perl 
handlers and output filters; a worthwhile but challenging task that has 
taken much more effort than anticipated. Nearly there so the new 2.1.5 
MM-htdig patches should follow soon after.

regards

Richard

>
> Charles
>




From west at k-online.com  Sun Jun 27 22:37:30 2004
From: west at k-online.com (Jonathan West)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:37:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] We have a serious problem.
Message-ID: <40DF300A.971AFA10@k-online.com>

Dear Sir,

    We have a very serious problem.  Someone is evidently using your
e-mail address services (under an unreachable e-mail address called
"imanway_imanway.com"), and then using my e-mail address and who knows
how many other e-mail addresses to spam people everywhere.

    This is turning out to be a real mess.  Hundreds of messages
(supposedly from one of your address configurations) are clogging my
mail box.  I have also been receiving messages from folks who are also
getting heavily spammed in this manner and they are really mad.

    Is there some authority we can turn this problem over to?  Is there
a way of finding out who is responsible for this?  Since our trace led
us directly to you, we desperately need your help.  I would really
appreciate your reply at your earliest convenience.

    We really need to do something about this.  (A return message to me
with a subject header that states "Imanway Spam Reply" will be looked at
right away.)

    Thank you for your time and considerations with this difficulty.

Most sincerely,

Jonathan West






From steve_portigal at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 28 03:57:57 2004
From: steve_portigal at sbcglobal.net (Steve Portigal)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:57:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listowners list?
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040627185457.01d00540@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com>

I found this post in the archive, but no response. I'm also not 
getting anywhere with listowner.org - the domain is active and last 
was changed in January.

I have been using majordomo for many many years and am a couple of 
days into my first mailman list, as a customer of an ISP, and I'm 
looking for an appropriate resource to configuration help from my 
level (i.e., not the system access that the folks here are oriented 
towards).

Thanks so much for any info

Steve
--------------

From: texas critter - mailman-users
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Listowners list down?
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:13:55 -0700


Does anyone know what happened to the List Owners list at listowner.org?
The last post I got was on April 1st and the domain has been unreachable
since then too.

hth,
texas critter

--
EL-M FAQ: http://www.emaillist-managers.com/



Steve Portigal -- http://chittahchattah.blogspot.com




From mills at alphaeast.com  Mon Jun 28 06:48:06 2004
From: mills at alphaeast.com (R. Anthony Mills)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:48:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe form in HTML email
Message-ID: <000901c45ccb$1bf7aef0$2f01a8c0@TOSHIBA2400>

Is there a way to include the subscribe form into HTML newsletters?
Currently have one:

<!-- BEGIN SUBSCRIPTION -->
<form method=post
action="http://mail.efluential.com/mailman/subscribe/sugar_efluential.co
m">
<p align="center"><strong>SUBSCRIBING to SUGAR</strong></p>
<p>Subscribe to Sugar by filling out the following form. You will be
sent email requesting confirmation, to prevent others from gratuitously
subscribing you. This is a hidden list, which means that the list of
members is available only to the list administrator.<br><br>

eMail: &nbsp; 
<input type="Text" name="email" size="30" value="enter your email
address here"><br><br>
		
Name: &nbsp; 
<input type="Text" name="fullname" size="30" value=""> 
<input type="submit" name="email-button" value="SIGN UP!"
class="submit"></form>
<!-- END SUBSCRIPTION -->

but it gives the following message:

Sugar Subscription results
You must supply a valid email address.


Is there a suggested way to prevent from receiving this message?


- Mills.

============================================ 
"There are only two things that prevent you
from accomplishing your goals -- fear and
self doubt. When you learn to trust yourself
and ask for help, the world gets a whole lot
easier."                        - Wyatt Webb
============================================




From apoythre at skymail.csus.edu  Mon Jun 28 17:42:18 2004
From: apoythre at skymail.csus.edu (Poythress, Lynn)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:42:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman browswer question - initial set up
Message-ID: <A6CEC7C7D5E4C54A943742CE2295EF2B01BFD7F4@VSL1A.saclink.csus.edu>

Tokio,

I think that did the trick!  I added your suggestion to my mm_cfg.py
file and now I get the Mailman welcome page!  I can even get to the page
where you create new mail lists!

Thanks to all!

Let's see how much further I can get - it has definitely been a learning
experience!

Lynn Poythress
California State University, Sacramento

-----Original Message-----
From: Tokio Kikuchi [mailto:tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp] 
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 2:52 PM
To: Poythress, Lynn
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman browswer question - initial set up

Hi,

> When I'm on my web browser (IE) and I type
http://my.host.name.edu:5556
> - it brings up the generic Apache web page (5556 is our Apache port).
> Now, what do I type to bring up the Mailman page?  If I type
> http://my.host.name.edu/mailman - I get 'Cannot display page' and at
the
> bottom it says 'Cannot find server or DNS error'.

Looks like you should add
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:5556/mailman/'
in your mm_cfg.py file.
You should also type 'http://my.host.name.edu:5556/mailman/listinfo'
to display a start page.


-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From hustekke at msu.edu  Mon Jun 28 21:59:33 2004
From: hustekke at msu.edu (Kelli Marie Hustek)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:59:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list problems
Message-ID: <E1Bf2Ht-0002wU-II@sys16.mail.msu.edu>


Hello, 

For the second time now it seems that my list is not working.  It is doing 
the same thing it did the first time which is I am not being notified of new 
posts to the list and when I try and approve posts it will not send them to 
list memebers.  I am the list administrator and it will not allow me to post 
messages either.  The first time this happend it just started working again 
after a week.  This is extremely frustrating because this is a primary form 
of communication for my group. Our list is on dgmsu.org and the list name is 
deegee.  If you could tell me what I might do to fix this problem it would 
be extremely helpful. Thank you!] 

Kelli Hustek
vice president communications
Delta Gamma-Beta Xi chapter




From ahagge at wbfa.com  Mon Jun 28 22:03:52 2004
From: ahagge at wbfa.com (Alan Hagge)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:03:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-mail in different domain than list server?
Message-ID: <40E079A8.4090204@wbfa.com>

We have a situation that I wouldn't think would be TOO unique, but I 
can't find a way to make it operate correctly under Mailman (version 
2.1.5 in this case, but tried with 2.1.1 as well).  Specifically, our 
e-mail domain is completely different than our web domain:

    E-mail domain:    company.com
    Web domain:      org.othercompany.net

So in mm_cfg.py, I _think_ I should use:

    DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'org.othercompany.net'
    DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'company.com'

    # Because we've overriden the virtual hosts above add_virtualhost
    # MUST be called after they have been defined.

    add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

But when I examine the pages that Mailman creates with these settings, 
various links appear to be using the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST setting to 
generate the full URL, rather than the DEFAULT_URL_HOST.  For example on 
the main page, where the link appears for "the list admin overview 
page", the URL is:  http://company.com/mailman/admin , not 
http://org.othercompany.net/mailman/admin as I would have expected.  
Also, at the bottom of each lists' page, the link entitled "Overview of 
all <company.com> mailing lists" uses DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.  Even the 
title of the main page shows "company.com Mailing Lists".

It seems to boil down to the use of Utils.get_domain(), which appears to 
use DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST to extract the name of the domain if the 
SERVER_NAME environment variable isn't set.  I would have assumed they 
would/shoud have used DEFAULT_URL_HOST instead.  At least that's what 
would work in MY case (I _think_, I haven't tried it yet).

Am I missing something?  Is there some other way to obtain the desired 
effect (ie. ONLY e-mails go to DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, ALL URLs are formed 
using DEFAULT_URL_HOST)?

Thanks,

Alan Hagge
Systems Administrator



From nb at pobox.com  Tue Jun 29 01:15:56 2004
From: nb at pobox.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 01:15:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listowners list?
In-Reply-To: <p06002005bd05b4f2d238@[10.0.1.6]> (message from Brad Knowles on
	Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:54:35 +0200)
References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040627191511.01e4f720@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com>
	<p06002002bd05982a1361@[10.0.1.6]>
	<5F061C9C-C8F2-11D8-9C06-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
	<p06002005bd05b4f2d238@[10.0.1.6]>
Message-ID: <40D047FC002E731D@mail03.agrinet.ch> (added by
	postmaster@mail03.agrinet.ch)

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> >  The listowner.org DNS entries are still there but I have no idea what
> >  has happened to the site or mailing lists associated.

The site is currently offline as the company has gone bankrupt which
used to provide a home and network connection for the machine hosting
it.  I'll try to find a little time soon to set it up again on one of
the machines which I use for my commercial stuff (they're all up and
running).  I have a recent backup of the list's data, hence it
shouldn't be a real problem.

Greetings, Norbert.

- -- 
Founder & Steering Committee member of DotGNU, see http://dotgnu.org/
Free Software Business Strategy Guide   --->  http://FreeStrategy.info
Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet (near Zurich, Switzerland)
Tel +41 1 972 20 59        Fax +41 1 972 20 69       http://norbert.ch
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From amspiegel at americansforkerry.com  Wed Jun 30 01:14:25 2004
From: amspiegel at americansforkerry.com (Avi M. Spiegel)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:14:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "from" column question--how can we get our name to
	appear instead of the email address?
Message-ID: <023401c45e2e$d5b3bf50$7b02080a@jkerrynet.com>

Hello:

 

We are trying to send out a mailman message.  When people receive our
message, the mailman email address is listed in the from column and people
think it's spam.  How can we make it so that the name of the person posting
is listed in the from column?

 

When I send messages from my Outlook account to any other address its says
my name in the From box.  When I send messages to the mailman listserv it
lists the email address of the listserv in the From box.

 

Please help!

 

Thanks  



From thomaswaters at mac.com  Wed Jun 30 02:33:17 2004
From: thomaswaters at mac.com (Thomas Waters)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:33:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading Panther Server basic install 2.1.2 to
	2.1.5
In-Reply-To: <p06002001bd07a79889b9@[10.0.1.6]>
References: <67A9E26A-C9E5-11D8-83B5-000A95AE8AF2@pitt.edu>
	<p0600201dbd074416ffc1@[10.0.1.6]>
	<F7D2166A-CA08-11D8-BB4E-000A95AE8AF2@pitt.edu>
	<p06002001bd07a79889b9@[10.0.1.6]>
Message-ID: <14D71B42-CA2D-11D8-921E-0003938667C6@mac.com>

Thanks Brad and Dan for your comments.

Mailman has worked really well for me, but as someone coming to Panther 
Server and Mailman from running a webstar server, it is a big jump- a 
BIG change.  Better docs to help the newbie/clueless would go a long 
way.  That said, the more I work in this "unix" environment, the easier 
it gets and the cooler it all seems.  But I still don't *think* unix 
enough to make it easy yet.  Anyway will give it a shot in the AM and 
see where I get to.

On Jun 29, 2004, at 7:18 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 4:14 PM -0400 2004-06-29, Thomas Waters wrote:
>
>>  OK. v So I have the 2.1.5 folder on the desktop.  Do I want to use 
>> the
>>  terminal and mv to move the directory to the location of the existing
>>  directly?
>
> 	No, you don't want to do that.
>
>>             Will this overwrite everything in /usr/share/mailman? Then
>>  run bin/update?  Or do I use the terminal to run bin/update from on
>>  the desktop?
>
> 	Problem is, we don't know the specific options that Apple used when 
> they built the previous version.  You could try using "make update" 
> from Terminal at the top level of the Mailman folder, but you'd need 
> to make sure to specify the correct target Folder.  That might also 
> miss some other build options.  Unfortunately, Apple didn't document 
> anything, so we're pretty much completely blind.
>
> 	To do this right, I fear that you're going to have to do a complete 
> fresh install and then copy over selected data.  You may (or may not) 
> be able to copy over the configuration files, so you may be forced to 
> regenerate that information.
>
>
> 	This is a typical problem with any vendor pre-packaged version of a 
> program.  Do you stick with the package version, which the vendor is 
> responsible for making sure works, or do you install the current 
> version from source?
>
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
>
>   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.




From calabriaj at apollodiamond.com  Wed Jun 30 18:12:12 2004
From: calabriaj at apollodiamond.com (John Calabria)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:12:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] backup of membership list in Mailman
Message-ID: <001801c45ebd$012a5d40$6c01a8c0@lead>

Hello,

how can I backup the member list to a file?  can it be exported
into outlook, a comma delimited file?   

thanks!

john

From tracey at fairhousing.com  Wed Jun 30 21:06:26 2004
From: tracey at fairhousing.com (Tracey McCartney)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:06:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Global NOMAIL?
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040630140327.0796a438@mail.fairhousing.com>

Hi:

I am the admin and one of three mods for an announce-only list.  Is there 
an e-mail command I can use to set everyone on the list to NOMAIL 
temporarily so that I can then turn mail back on for a few people in order 
to do some testing?  The list has about 435 subscribers, and using the web 
interface to set everyone's mail bit will get a little tedious.



Thanks,

Tracey