[Mailman-Users] Both Mailman and Majordomo

[Frank Torres]

Well, I thought I would contribute what I have done to get majordomo and
mailman running on the same host. This all done with sendmail 8.13.1+
version so use those sendmail books if you have an older/newer version
of sendmail. Add the following flags to mm-handler under sendmail:
  <F=A/|:> Add these to the flags of the mm-handler line.
  (/) is probably not necessary I just have not tried it with out.
  (A) forces alias lookups.
  (:) is for (:include:) part of majordomo which is not the default no
      more or least not in 8.13.1+. 
  (|) is necessary because majordomo uses pipes/forks process off to
      majordomo.

  I am very pleased that I do not need to edit the mm-handler even
though I had started. This will now allow me to cleanly migrate my
customer off of majordomo to mailman.

My thanks to everybody that helped

Best Regards,
Frank T.
On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 00:24, Richard Barrett wrote:
> Why not consider modifying the mm-handler Perl script. It currently  
> knows how to deliver to Mailman lists and knows what Mailman lists  
> there are by looking up Mailman file structures on disk (see line 203  
> onwards of the code) and then running the Mailman delivery wrapper. I  
> do not user majordomo, but presumably an equivalent piece of code to  
> confirm and deliver to majordomo's lists could be fashioned and added.
> 
> btw: do beware the existing latent defect of the mm-handlers failure to  
> properly check the return code when it call close on the pipe being  
> used to do the delivery, which can lead to silently lost/undelivered  
> messages - see next sentence for a hint at what needs to be done. Also  
> consider that mm-handler's home grown bounce generator can be  
> substituted by simply having it return the appropriate exit status to  
> sendmail, which will then generate the bounce message in it normal way.  
> You could also consider switching to a Python equivalent of mm-handler  
> without the defect. See:
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? 
> func=detail&aid=644810&group_id=103&atid=300103
> 
> On 30 Sep 2004, at 23:57, Frank Torres wrote:
> 
> > Maybe I'll get this right really tired at analyzing sendmail crap. Ok,
> > as per Brad Knowles I am not using aliases for mailman but mm-handler
> > and an sendmail.m4 with adding an mailer called Mmmhandler,..... as per
> > the mailman documentation. Howerver in the F=<snip> I added the 'A'  
> > flag
> > to do alias expansion but mailman seems to still fire off. I really  
> > need
> > to use the mm-handler I need to move away from have sudo access as root
> > and my time being sucked into mail list management it sucks.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Frank Torres
> > On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 13:05, Frank Torres wrote:
> >> Sorry, I'll be a little clearer this time here is what I am trying to
> >> do. Please let me know if this is possible.
> >> <somelist>@my.domain
> >>
> >> Based on <somelist> I scan the aliases file for majordomo stuff then  
> >> If
> >> I do not find nothing go to mailman and see if list is in mailman. I
> >> really do not want to do different domains if at all possible. I  
> >> should
> >> be able to use the same domain. All using the most friendly mta's ever
> >> built sendmail<grin>
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >> Frank Torres
> >>
> >> On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 12:25, Frank Torres wrote:
> >>> Queston, I have been unsuccessful at getting mailman and majordomo to
> >>> run on the same host. I am using sendmail and the mailman mm-handler.
> >>> Mailman is working great its just that majordomo is not. I did put an
> >>> 'A' in the mailer table for alias expansion but that does not seem to
> >>> work completely.
> >>>
> >>> If some body has done this and can share this info that would be  
> >>> great.
> >>> I have been scouring the web to no avail. I need to transition  
> >>> majordomo
> >>> out but I can not do it abruptly.
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>> Frank
> >>>
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