From webmaster at godogsomaha.org  Wed Sep  1 00:04:00 2004
From: webmaster at godogsomaha.org (Go Dogs!Webmaster)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:04:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam help
Message-ID: <A9C59D56-FB99-11D8-A696-000393C82500@godogsomaha.org>

I am using Mailman as an announce-only list, where I post, and everyone 
receives. Is there a way to either reject ALL other traffic on the list 
besides messages I post, or allow only messages from those who are 
subscribed to the list (which then don't get posted but come to me)?

The reason for asking is that I have begun to receive some spam being 
sent to the list, which then generates a message to me stating that an 
e-mail needs to be reviewed. I just want to reject them automatically.

-------------------------------------------------------
Steven Weyhrich <IX0YE>--<
Go Dogs! Secretary & Webmaster
http://www.GoDogsOmaha.org



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep  1 00:44:45 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:44:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam help
In-Reply-To: <A9C59D56-FB99-11D8-A696-000393C82500@godogsomaha.org>
Message-ID: <PC17142004083115444506090c70acae@msapiro>

Go Dogs!Webmaster wrote:

>I am using Mailman as an announce-only list, where I post, and everyone 
>receives. Is there a way to either reject ALL other traffic on the list 
>besides messages I post, or allow only messages from those who are 
>subscribed to the list (which then don't get posted but come to me)?
>

Visit the FAQ wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and
see article 3.11

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Sep  1 00:48:01 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:48:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam help
In-Reply-To: <A9C59D56-FB99-11D8-A696-000393C82500@godogsomaha.org>
References: <A9C59D56-FB99-11D8-A696-000393C82500@godogsomaha.org>
Message-ID: <p060020aabd5aaff52a4e@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:04 PM -0500 2004-08-31, Go Dogs!Webmaster wrote:

>  The reason for asking is that I have begun to receive some spam being
>  sent to the list, which then generates a message to me stating that
>  an e-mail needs to be reviewed. I just want to reject them automatically.

	Sure.  Change the default for the list to be to discard 
unapproved messages instead of holding them for review.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Sep  1 00:52:09 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:52:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using python format strings
In-Reply-To: <20040831213531.GA2940@athlon.schoeppi.net>
References: <20040831154646.GA2222@athlon.schoeppi.net>
	<p060020a3bd5a7477389f@[10.0.1.3]>
	<20040831202332.GA2759@athlon.schoeppi.net>
	<p060020a8bd5a99c3f67a@[10.0.1.3]>
	<20040831213531.GA2940@athlon.schoeppi.net>
Message-ID: <p060020abbd5ab0ac5527@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:35 PM +0200 2004-08-31, Christian Schoepplein wrote:

>  I'm new to python (this was the first time I changed python code) and
>  patches and all this stuff..., but I would be glad to submit the
>  changes. Maybe someone can give me via PM some hints or a quick step by
>  step instruction, how I can get a diff between the old and the changed
>  MailList.py file.

	% diff -c originalfile.py modifiedfile.py > patch

>>  They might even find their way into a 2.1.6 release, although that
>>  decision would have to be left to Barry.
>
>  When will 2.1.6 released?

	I'm not sure that there has been a commitment to release a 2.1.6, 
but if there is going to be a new release on the 2.1.* tree, the 
schedule would be known by Barry.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brian.cain at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 01:14:28 2004
From: brian.cain at gmail.com (Brian Cain)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:14:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of lists per host?
Message-ID: <17e3a31c040831161477f1b32f@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a way to browse a list of lists hosted by this mailman
server?  (Like the MajorCool interface works)
-- 
-Brian


From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep  1 01:22:40 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:22:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of lists per host?
In-Reply-To: <17e3a31c040831161477f1b32f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC17142004083116224006712dd3b807@msapiro>

Brian Cain wrote:

>Is there a way to browse a list of lists hosted by this mailman
>server?  (Like the MajorCool interface works)

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Sep  1 01:28:06 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 01:28:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of lists per host?
In-Reply-To: <17e3a31c040831161477f1b32f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17e3a31c040831161477f1b32f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p060020adbd5ab923511c@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:14 PM -0500 2004-08-31, Brian Cain wrote:

>  Is there a way to browse a list of lists hosted by this mailman
>  server?  (Like the MajorCool interface works)

	If you go to the Mailman admin web interface, you will get a list 
of all public lists that are hosted there.  The private lists won't 
be shown, but knowing the names of the private lists on the system, 
it's not hard to construct the URL that you need to go to in order to 
access the admin web interface for each private list.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brian.cain at gmail.com  Wed Sep  1 01:33:03 2004
From: brian.cain at gmail.com (Brian Cain)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:33:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of lists per host?
In-Reply-To: <p060020adbd5ab923511c@10.0.1.3>
References: <17e3a31c040831161477f1b32f@mail.gmail.com>
	<p060020adbd5ab923511c@10.0.1.3>
Message-ID: <17e3a31c040831163358182c5@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 01:28:06 +0200, Brad Knowles
<brad at stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> At 6:14 PM -0500 2004-08-31, Brian Cain wrote:
> 
> >  Is there a way to browse a list of lists hosted by this mailman
> >  server?  (Like the MajorCool interface works)
> 
>         If you go to the Mailman admin web interface, you will get a list
> of all public lists that are hosted there.  The private lists won't
> be shown, but knowing the names of the private lists on the system,
> it's not hard to construct the URL that you need to go to in order to
> access the admin web interface for each private list.

Wow.  Guess I should've actually tried that (or at least R'd TFM)
first, huh?  This is exactly what I wanted.  Keep up the good work,
guys.

-Brian


From djerome at novell.com  Wed Sep  1 05:17:51 2004
From: djerome at novell.com (Jerome Dsilva)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:17:51 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to subscribe after confirmation
Message-ID: <s134eb13.054@lucius.provo.novell.com>

Hi, 
I havn't received any reply and hence I am resending this mail. Please
let me know if have any clues to this problem. 
 
Regards 
Jerome 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi, 
Till yesterday my setup of mailman 2.0.14-18 was working which was
running on SUSE Enterprise 8. 
All of a sudden, it's giving straneg problems... 
Now, if any mail is sent to the list, it doesn't reach the recipients. 
I checked all the logs and even tried creating a new mailing list but
that too didnot work out.. 
Here is what I did with the newlist. 
  
1.Created the new list.. Added the aliases.. 
2.Got the mail upon list creation 
3.Subscribed to the list through my different email address. Checked in
the ~mailman/logs/subscribe.. it shows as pending 
4.Received a confirmation mail - so that the subscription can be
validated. 
5.Sent reply mail confirming the same.. But the log still shows as
pending and not as new.. 
6.Checked the membership management and the membership list is blank. 
7. Sendmail logs shows that the replied mail for confirmation has been
received successfully. 
 
Please help me with getting this setup up and running 
  
Thanks 
Jerome 
  



From hesco at greens.org  Wed Sep  1 05:19:21 2004
From: hesco at greens.org (hesco at greens.org)
Date: 1 Sep 2004 03:19:21 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Scripting newlist gives weird errors!  
In-Reply-To: <20040831063651.20101.qmail@greens.org>
Message-ID: <20040901031921.7821.qmail@greens.org>

Hello:  

I'm developing a script to automate list creation, particularly
alias creation.  I'm running into weird errors.  

All clues are appreciated.  

Using the mm scripts at a command line as intended seems to work
fine.  But when I try to call it from a script, it hangs and
fails to return cleanly so my script can continue to execute.

bash-2.05$ newlist testy hesco at greens.org qwerty
To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your
/etc/aliases (or equivalent) file by adding the following lines,
and possibly running the `newaliases' program:

## testy mailing list
testy:              "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post testy"
testy-admin:        "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman admin testy"
testy-bounces:      "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman bounces testy"
testy-confirm:      "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman confirm testy"
testy-join:         "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman join testy"
testy-leave:        "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman leave testy"
testy-owner:        "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman owner testy"
testy-request:      "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman request testy"
testy-subscribe:    "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe testy"
testy-unsubscribe:  "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe testy"

Hit enter to notify testy owner...

bash-2.05$  

I get the newlist email and everything works as intended.

The only problem is that I am not root on this machine.  So I
have a script set up to install my new aliases, which is run
by root crontab on 15 minute intervals.  It sweeps them out
of aliases.tmp and puts them in /etc/mail/aliases.

And I will need to create over a hundred-fifty lists in a couple
of weeks which will only be used for a couple of months.  So,
I'm trying to automate this as much as possible, especially
all that alias creation.  First the strange errors I get from
the python newlist script, then the perl script which invokes
newlist to generate these errors.

bash-2.05$ ./nl.pl testier hesco at greens.org qwerty
List = testier
Admin = hesco at greens.org
Password = qwerty

Create List Command:  /home/mailman/bin/newlist testier hesco at greens.org qwerty

^CTraceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 219, in ?

bash-2.05$     main()
  File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 191, in main
    sys.stdin.readline()
KeyboardInterrupt

bash-2.05$  

The new aliases got created and put into temporary storage.
Running $result = `$createlist`; the list got created in the
file system.  I can browse to the listinfo page.  But the
email never shows up for the new list's administrator.
And the script hangs, instead of successfully completing, so
it can re-iterate on the next list it must produce.  Only ^C^C
breaks it out of its holding pattern on the errors reported
above.  My test lists started out being called simply test.
Only banging my head against this one for the last two hours
got them renamed testy and finally testier.

#!/usr/local/bin/perl
use strict;
my ($NEWLIST, $newaliases, $createlist, $result, $args, $usage);
my ($newlist, $admin, $pw);

$result = `cd /usr/home/hesco`;
$NEWLIST = "/home/mailman/bin/newlist";
$usage = usage();

$newlist = $ARGV[0];
$admin = $ARGV[1];
$pw = $ARGV[2];

print "List = $newlist \nAdmin = $admin \nPassword = $pw \n\n";

if (!$newlist || !$admin || !$pw) {
  print "$usage \n";
  exit;
  return 0;
} else {
  $createlist = "$NEWLIST $newlist $admin $pw";
  print "Create List Command:  ".$createlist."\n";
  $newaliases = newaliases();
  # print $newaliases;
  $result = `/bin/echo \"$newaliases\" >> aliases.tmp`;
  $result = `$createlist`;

  print "List created and aliases prepared.  \n";
  print "Run sudo installaliases.sh to activate aliases and list.";
  print "\n\n";

  exit
  1;  # return true
}

sub usage() {
  $usage = "Usage:  ,/nl.pl newlistname admin-email admin-pw \n\n";
  return $usage;
}

sub newaliases() {
  $newaliases = qq{
\#\# $newlist mailing list
$newlist:              \\\"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post $newlist\\\"
$newlist-admin:        \\\"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin $newlist\\\"
$newlist-bounces:      \\\"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces $newlist\\\"
$newlist-confirm:      \\\"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm $newlist\\\"
$newlist-join:         \\\"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join $newlist\\\"
$newlist-leave:        \\\"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave $newlist\\\"
$newlist-owner:        \\\"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner $newlist\\\"
$newlist-request:      \\\"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request $newlist\\\"
$newlist-subscribe:    \\\"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe $newlist\\\"
$newlist-unsubscribe:  \\\"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe $newlist\\\"
\n
  };
  return $newaliases;
}  # END newaliases



From dave at difference.com.au  Wed Sep  1 08:27:49 2004
From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:27:49 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bouncing subscribed users
Message-ID: <a06110465bd5b186c7de0@[192.168.0.34]>

	I have mailman, qmail, and the qmail-to-mailman.py script 
installed. New installation, this is the closest its ever been to 
working.
	Any posts to mailman lists get bounced with 'not allowed to 
post', even though they clearly are from subscribers.
	Any suggestions?
	Run check_perms, check_db, etc.
	For the test list in question I am list owner and sole 
subscriber. Actually, subscribed under dave at mail.difference.com.au as 
well just to be sure. Other lists have same problem.
	Thanks in advance

		David


Subject: still testing
From: mailman-owner at lsithost
To: dave at difference.com.au
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 12:55:36 +0800
X-BeenThere: mailman at listhost
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
List-Id: Mailman site list <mailman.listhost>
Sender: mailman-bounces at listhost

You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
mailman-owner at mail.readylist.com.au.

Return-Path: <dave at difference.com.au>
Delivered-To: mailman at listhost
Received: (qmail 10553 invoked by alias); 31 Aug 2004 18:35:56 -0000
Delivered-To: test at listhost
Received: (qmail 10546 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2004 18:33:24 -0000
Received: from www.jmcs.net.au (HELO legba.difference.com.au) (202.0.185.54)
	by listhost with SMTP; 31 Aug 2004 18:33:24 -0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
X-Sender: dave at mail.difference.com.au
Message-Id: <a0611045abd5a663ebb14@[192.168.0.34]>
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 01:38:18 +0800
To: test at listhost
From: David Cake <dave at difference.com.au>
Subject: still testing
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Sep  1 10:09:56 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:09:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Scripting newlist gives weird errors!
In-Reply-To: <20040901031921.7821.qmail@greens.org>
References: <20040901031921.7821.qmail@greens.org>
Message-ID: <p060020afbd5b33c50f54@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:19 AM +0000 2004-09-01, hesco at greens.org wrote:

>  I'm developing a script to automate list creation, particularly
>  alias creation.  I'm running into weird errors.

	Note that if you use postfix as your MTA, this process can be 
automated.  See the POSTFIX.README file that should have come as part 
of the Mailman documentation.

	If you use sendmail as your MTA, it is possible to modify the 
above process to work for sendmail instead of postfix.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.049.htp>.


	However, if you use any other MTA, I'm not aware of an integrated 
method of achieving the same goals.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From rimga at ktl.mii.lt  Wed Sep  1 17:16:06 2004
From: rimga at ktl.mii.lt (Rimgaudas Laucius)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:16:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem
References: <PC1700200408280938090718f89aadf7@msapiro>
	<001b01c48e8b$ee810e10$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM>
	<p06002081bd58c05a3a26@[10.0.1.3]>
	<006401c48e94$af1e0260$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM>
	<20040830091043.O47978@pooh.ASARian.org>
Message-ID: <001001c49036$9aa69a60$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM>

Hello,

i am sorry i was not very consistent describing problem because i was
looking at the problem from the user point at first. That is why i said that
mailman does not pass letters with national characters in subject line. I
was not talking about encoded letter's source. After i investigeted sent
letter's source i described problem differently: from system view point. I
tried to switch on some encoding methods in my MUA and made hypothesis that
problem is not related to encoding.
But now i see that it is related only to windows encoding (with other
encodings: ISO, UTF is all right) and i guess it is not python problem
because i have installed 2.2.1 version.




From jwblist at olympus.net  Wed Sep  1 16:23:38 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 07:23:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Scripting newlist gives weird errors!
In-Reply-To: <p060020afbd5b33c50f54@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <BD5B297A.158FB%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 9/1/2004 1:09, "Brad Knowles" <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote:

> However, if you use any other MTA, I'm not aware of an integrated
> method of achieving the same goals.

Using Exim, once the initial install is done correctly, no aliases need be
messed with when creating or removing mailing lists.

  --John (who stopped trying to speak sendmail around 1996)


From s.aslan at zonnet.nl  Wed Sep  1 16:59:34 2004
From: s.aslan at zonnet.nl (s.aslan at zonnet.nl)
Date: Wed,  1 Sep 2004 16:59:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-mail configuration
In-Reply-To: <CB41BCE2-FB66-11D8-84A6-000D932B8556@mcgill.ca>
References: <1093950983.41345e07cb21f@webmail.zonnet.nl>
	<CB41BCE2-FB66-11D8-84A6-000D932B8556@mcgill.ca>
Message-ID: <1094050774.4135e3d6416ab@webmail.zonnet.nl>

Citeren Henry Olders <henry.olders at mcgill.ca>:

> 
> On 31 Aug 2004, at 7:16, s.aslan at zonnet.nl wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have intall the mailman and configured it but i can't get receive 
> > email from
> > the users. How do i need configure it?
> >
> > Savas
> >
> Savas, can you provide additional information, eg what MTA (mail 
> transport agent) you are using, are you behind a firewall, what does 
> your maillog show, does your ISP block port 25?
> 
> Henry

Hi Henry

I am behind a frirewall but i want use the mailman local in the network. The
is an other mailserver in the network. I install the mailman on other pc than
mailserver. 
So it will be a second server. Is it needed? 

The MTA is the sendmail. How can i configure open the port 25? It is closed to
the network.

Savas




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From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep  1 17:17:49 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:17:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem
In-Reply-To: <001001c49036$9aa69a60$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM>
Message-ID: <PC1714200409010817490437bf4dfb26@msapiro>

Rimgaudas Laucius wrote:
>
>i am sorry i was not very consistent describing problem because i was
>looking at the problem from the user point at first. That is why i said that
>mailman does not pass letters with national characters in subject line. I
>was not talking about encoded letter's source. After i investigeted sent
>letter's source i described problem differently: from system view point. I
>tried to switch on some encoding methods in my MUA and made hypothesis that
>problem is not related to encoding.
>But now i see that it is related only to windows encoding (with other
>encodings: ISO, UTF is all right) and i guess it is not python problem
>because i have installed 2.2.1 version.
>

The problem only occurs with windows-1257 encoding, not with other
encodings. Since windows-1257 is an accepted standard encoding, this
seems clearly to be a bug somewhere.

I would first examine the Mailman logs to see if I could confirm
anything from them. For example, if there is an entry in the "post"
log and not one in the "smtp" log for one of these posts, then it
would clearly be Mailman dropping the post. If there is an entry in
the "smtp" log, then maybe it is the outgoing MTA that drops the post.
Are there any entries in the "error" log? What about the MTA's logs?.

What about digests? Do you have any lists with digests? If so, do these
posts get into the digest?

Are there logs from the incoming MTA to show that Mailman even gets the
post?

If after considering all this, you feel it is a Mailman issue, then
document it as well as you can and report it at
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103

Also see the possibly related report at
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=965706&group_id=103&atid=100103 but note that this user has Python 2.1.3 which may be the problem in that case. Also note that this users messages were shunted. Does this happen in your case?

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From spamuser2 at chemtool.com  Wed Sep  1 17:41:35 2004
From: spamuser2 at chemtool.com (z002161)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 10:41:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:  Getting Mailman to work properly
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1093987651.9969.mailman-users@python.org>
References: <mailman.0.1093987651.9969.mailman-users@python.org>
Message-ID: <4135EDAF.8060306@chemtool.com>

I believe i followed all the directions properly, but now when i send
out an email to the mailing list i get the following error back:

The Postfix program

everyone at chemtool.be: Command died
with status 2:
    "/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post everyone". Command output:
Failure to
    exec script. WANTED gid 65533, GOT gid 67.

65533 is nobody, and 67 is mailman



>digests.mbox is where posts are collected for eventual inclusion in the
>digest. It has nothing to do with why the subscribers aren't receiving
>mail unless they're all subscribed in digest rather than message mode.
>
>Visit the FAQ wizzard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and
>see article 3.14 for some other things to check.





From spamuser2 at chemtool.com  Wed Sep  1 18:02:17 2004
From: spamuser2 at chemtool.com (z002161)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 11:02:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:  Getting Mailman to work properly
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1093987651.9969.mailman-users@python.org>
References: <mailman.0.1093987651.9969.mailman-users@python.org>
Message-ID: <4135F289.7080100@chemtool.com>

I also get this in my smtp logs:


Sep 01 10:00:01 2004 (8010) 
<mailman.0.1094032801.6963.mailman at chemtool.be> smtp for 1 recips, 
completed in 0.031 seconds
Sep 01 10:00:01 2004 (8010) All recipients refused: (-2, 'Name or 
service not known')


>digests.mbox is where posts are collected for eventual inclusion in the
>digest. It has nothing to do with why the subscribers aren't receiving
>mail unless they're all subscribed in digest rather than message mode.
>
>Visit the FAQ wizzard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and
>see article 3.14 for some other things to check.





From mailman-user at divebums.com  Wed Sep  1 18:28:37 2004
From: mailman-user at divebums.com (John)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:28:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All AOL members not receiving emails
In-Reply-To: <p060020a7bd5a8819d29e@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <8DCBBD50-FB81-11D8-A8B6-003065B73AC4@divebums.com>
	<p060020a7bd5a8819d29e@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <FA2FB6E4-FC33-11D8-8F2C-003065B73AC4@divebums.com>

After checking with individual AOL users off-list, we're starting to 
get responses such as the following.  Seems to be some inconsistency in 
the details (gone completely or in spam folder, or some of both), but 
something definitely happened.  We cannot comply with the whitelist 
requirements, so may have to unsubscribe all the AOL people and tell 
them to use a different email if they still wish to be on the list.  
That's kind of a bummer for them.  Anyone have any human being contacts 
at AOL to try to resolve this with them?

John


> Thank you for looking into this problem.  I stopped receiving Divebums
> messages a few weeks ago, right after AOL did an automatic update.  
> Now I find the
> Divebums messages in the new 'spam folder'.   Good luck!

> Its been a few weeks since I recieved any divebums mail, I found a  few
> moved into my SPAM folder and moved them back.

> The only reason I got this mail is because I looked in the spam mail 
> box
and found it. Its been a very long time since i have recieved email for 
dive
bums and have been trying to figure out if its going to spam mail or if 
its
blocked in some way but if its happening to others then its not my mail
controls. Hpefully this helps I wish I could tell you more but i have 
gotten
some mail here and there but not much for at least a month or possible 
more.

> I just got the list today for the first time since 8/21.
> I hope it starts working again.

> I am one of the people on AOL who stopped receiving Divebums email a
> few weeks ago. I had no problem receiving mail from other addresses. I
> called AOL a couple of times and they said they looked into it and 
> could
> find no problem on their end. I checked my spam folder numerous times 
> and
> there was no divebums email in there. Finally I unsubscribed myself 
> from
the
> divebums  list, opened a hotmail account, and subscribed my self to
divebums
> using the hotmail address. Since then I have had no problems receiving
> divebums email at the hotmail address. (AOL is still my ISP). I hope 
> this
> info helps,



On Aug 31, 2004, at 3:00 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 2:11 PM -0500 2004-08-31, John wrote:
>
>>  Did AOL make some major change affecting Mailman a couple weeks ago? 
>>  I
>>  have a Mailman 2.1.5 list with 46 AOL members, all of whom appear to
>>  have stopped receiving list messages.
>
> 	AOL has a tendency to declare that sites are sending them spam and to 
> start silently throwing all messages away that come from that site, 
> sometimes on the basis of a single spam complaint from a single user.
>
> 	Sometimes, that user is a legitimate member of a mailing list from 
> that site, and mistakenly clicked on the wrong message and clicked the 
> "report as spam" button.  Sometimes that user doesn't remember 
> subscribing to it, so they report the message as spam.  Or, sometimes 
> the user doesn't remember how to unsubscribe, so they report the 
> message as spam.
>
>
> 	There's not really anything you can do about this.  You are subject 
> to the whims of the clueless AOL users and the occasional fat-finger 
> mistake.
>
>>  Is there some setting we need to tweak?  Have been running for years 
>> and
>>  no problems other than the usual AOL spam controls getting tweaked 
>> without
>>  the AOL subscriber's knowledge... but before it was always on a
>>  case-by-case basis and we got bounces back...
>
> 	The best you can do is apply to be a member of the AOL whitelist 
> system.  See <http://postmaster.aol.com/tools/whitelist_guides.html>.
>
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
>
> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
>
>     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
>     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755
>
>   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>
>



From henry.olders at mcgill.ca  Wed Sep  1 18:31:33 2004
From: henry.olders at mcgill.ca (Henry Olders)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:31:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-mail configuration
In-Reply-To: <1094050774.4135e3d6416ab@webmail.zonnet.nl>
References: <1093950983.41345e07cb21f@webmail.zonnet.nl>
	<CB41BCE2-FB66-11D8-84A6-000D932B8556@mcgill.ca>
	<1094050774.4135e3d6416ab@webmail.zonnet.nl>
Message-ID: <62BDE336-FC34-11D8-84A6-000D932B8556@mcgill.ca>


On 1 Sep 2004, at 10:59, s.aslan at zonnet.nl wrote:

> Citeren Henry Olders <henry.olders at mcgill.ca>:
>
>>
>> On 31 Aug 2004, at 7:16, s.aslan at zonnet.nl wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have intall the mailman and configured it but i can't get receive
>>> email from
>>> the users. How do i need configure it?
>>>
>>> Savas
>>>
>> Savas, can you provide additional information, eg what MTA (mail
>> transport agent) you are using, are you behind a firewall, what does
>> your maillog show, does your ISP block port 25?
>>
>> Henry
>
> Hi Henry
>
> I am behind a frirewall but i want use the mailman local in the 
> network. The
> is an other mailserver in the network. I install the mailman on other 
> pc than
> mailserver.
> So it will be a second server. Is it needed?
>
> The MTA is the sendmail. How can i configure open the port 25? It is 
> closed to
> the network.
>
> Savas
>
It's unclear to me what you want to do. Do you want mailman to receive 
mail only from local users, or from users outside your firewall? If 
outside your firewall, you will need to configure your firewall to pass 
port 25 to the IP of your mailman server.

Henry



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Sep  1 18:58:40 2004
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:58:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All AOL members not receiving emails
In-Reply-To: <FA2FB6E4-FC33-11D8-8F2C-003065B73AC4@divebums.com>
References: <8DCBBD50-FB81-11D8-A8B6-003065B73AC4@divebums.com>
	<p060020a7bd5a8819d29e@[10.0.1.3]>
	<FA2FB6E4-FC33-11D8-8F2C-003065B73AC4@divebums.com>
Message-ID: <2C5F67DA-FC38-11D8-B198-000D93C23532@plaidworks.com>

you would be doing them a favor, honest.


On Sep 1, 2004, at 9:28 AM, John wrote:

> so may have to unsubscribe all the AOL people and tell them to use a 
> different email if they still wish to be on the list.  That's kind of 
> a bummer for them



From mlm at kaibren.com  Wed Sep  1 19:02:19 2004
From: mlm at kaibren.com (MLM Subscriber)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:02:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All AOL members not receiving emails
In-Reply-To: <FA2FB6E4-FC33-11D8-8F2C-003065B73AC4@divebums.com>
References: <8DCBBD50-FB81-11D8-A8B6-003065B73AC4@divebums.com>
	<p060020a7bd5a8819d29e@[10.0.1.3]>
	<FA2FB6E4-FC33-11D8-8F2C-003065B73AC4@divebums.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040901125823.033541b0@localhost>

My AOL users have also "discovered" our mail in their SPAM folders. I run 
both YahooGroups! lists and Mailman lists and it has happened to messages 
from both lists as of ~8/26.

Does anyone know if there are AOL User-controllable switches? Can we give 
the user instructions on how to individually "whitelist" our messages?
-mb

At 12:28 PM 9/1/2004, John wrote:
>After checking with individual AOL users off-list, we're starting to get 
>responses such as the following.  Seems to be some inconsistency in the 
>details (gone completely or in spam folder, or some of both), but 
>something definitely happened.  We cannot comply with the whitelist 
>requirements, so may have to unsubscribe all the AOL people and tell them 
>to use a different email if they still wish to be on the list.
>That's kind of a bummer for them.  Anyone have any human being contacts at 
>AOL to try to resolve this with them?
>
>John




From hesco at greens.org  Wed Sep  1 16:48:26 2004
From: hesco at greens.org (hesco at greens.org)
Date: 1 Sep 2004 14:48:26 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Scripting newlist gives weird errors!
In-Reply-To: <p060020afbd5b33c50f54@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <20040901144826.31786.qmail@greens.org>

Hey Mr. Knowles:  

Yes, I now remember being pointed to those at one time.
However our server uses exim, which is why I'm building this
script.  Any idea why a command which works without a hitch
when run on a command line would break down into errors and
hang when run in a perl script as:
	$result = `newlist listname admin pw`; ???

I'm baffled.  Those backticks have traditionally given me
direct access to anything I can do at a shell prompt and I've
never encountered this before.

-- Hugh 

Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:09:56 +0200
To: hesco at greens.org
From: Brad Knowles <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Scripting newlist gives weird errors!
Cc: mailman-users at python.org

At 3:19 AM +0000 2004-09-01, hesco at greens.org wrote:

>  I'm developing a script to automate list creation, particularly
>  alias creation.  I'm running into weird errors.

	Note that if you use postfix as your MTA, this process can be 
automated.  See the POSTFIX.README file that should have come as part 
of the Mailman documentation.

	If you use sendmail as your MTA, it is possible to modify the 
above process to work for sendmail instead of postfix.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.049.htp>.


	However, if you use any other MTA, I'm not aware of an integrated 
method of achieving the same goals.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From tkw at southwestern.edu  Wed Sep  1 20:53:56 2004
From: tkw at southwestern.edu (Todd K. Watson)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:53:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Date: line in digest header
Message-ID: <41361AC4.7030809@southwestern.edu>


I have searched fairly intensively looking for a previously posted 
answer to my question, but have not turned up anything other than a 
similar post to this list last year which didn't get a response (see: 
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-February/026093.html)

All list digests created by my install of Mailman-2.1.5 are missing the 
"Date:" line in the header.  Each individual message within the digest 
has a date line in its header, but the digest itself is missing the Date 
line.  Most MTA's and MUA's inject a Date line, but I'm using Qmail as 
an MTA -- which doesn't inject one.  It seems that it's the job of the 
MUA (Mailman in this case) to create the Date: line according to RFC-2822.

Any help would appreciated!  Am I missing something simple here?

Todd
-- 
         Todd K. Watson
         Senior Systems and Network Administrator
         Southwestern University, Georgetown, TX


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Sep  1 21:25:36 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:25:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All AOL members not receiving emails
In-Reply-To: <FA2FB6E4-FC33-11D8-8F2C-003065B73AC4@divebums.com>
References: <8DCBBD50-FB81-11D8-A8B6-003065B73AC4@divebums.com>
	<p060020a7bd5a8819d29e@[10.0.1.3]>
	<FA2FB6E4-FC33-11D8-8F2C-003065B73AC4@divebums.com>
Message-ID: <p060020b3bd5bd2633c58@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:28 AM -0500 2004-09-01, John wrote:

>  Anyone have any human being contacts at AOL to try to resolve this with them?

	Carl Hutzler is their Spam Czar.  Google turns up 
cdhutzler at aol.com as his e-mail address.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Sep  1 21:29:25 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:29:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Date: line in digest header
In-Reply-To: <41361AC4.7030809@southwestern.edu>
References: <41361AC4.7030809@southwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <p060020b4bd5bd31465dc@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:53 PM -0500 2004-09-01, Todd K. Watson wrote:

>  Most MTA's and MUA's inject a Date line, but I'm using Qmail as an MTA
>  -- which doesn't inject one.  It seems that it's the job of the MUA
>  (Mailman in this case) to create the Date: line according to RFC-2822.

	The MUA should include a Date: header, that's true.  However, 
it's up to the injecting MTA to either make sure that the minimum 
required headers are present in the message when it accepts it, or to 
put the headers on there.  Dan will violently disagree, but qmail is 
at fault here.

	There are plenty of programs available for qmail users who are in 
this boat and need to have their MTA add headers by default, which 
qmail otherwise would not do.  However, you need to use qmail 
resources to find those programs.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From tkw at southwestern.edu  Wed Sep  1 22:12:35 2004
From: tkw at southwestern.edu (Todd K. Watson)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:12:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Date: line in digest header
In-Reply-To: <p060020b4bd5bd31465dc@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <41361AC4.7030809@southwestern.edu>
	<p060020b4bd5bd31465dc@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <41362D33.5030301@southwestern.edu>


Thanks Brad,

This makes sense to me, and I was afraid that was going to be the 
answer.  I'll take a look at qmail-based solutions.  However...

Not to instigate a "who should do what", but this doesn't sit well for 
me.  It seems to me that the MTA should not inject any date except in a 
"Received:" line -- which qmail does.  Since the origination-date date 
line is specified as one of the only required header lines for a message 
in RFC-2822, it would seem to be something that should be fixed on 
Mailman.  I understand that it's up to me to have my MTA allow or deny 
messages without it, but based on my relatively under-educated (I'm new 
to running Mailman) opinion I would rather have the fix on the Mailman 
side.

Given that, would you recommend that I report this in bugtrack?

Also, one thing that did turn up in my investigation into this was in 
the release notes (the NEWS file in the root level of the 2.5.1 tarball) 
the following highlight is mentioned in the section for 
Mailman-2.1-Beta-1 (line 591):

	"o Always add an RFC 2822 Date: header if missing, since
	not all MTAs insert one automatically."

This leads me to think that this was (at least at one time) addressed. 
I can't find anything to indicate that was backed-out.  Also, it doesn't 
specify if it was applied to both digesting and regular messages.  I'm 
assuming only the latter.

Again, thanks for your response Brad!

Todd


Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 1:53 PM -0500 2004-09-01, Todd K. Watson wrote:
> 
>>  Most MTA's and MUA's inject a Date line, but I'm using Qmail as an MTA
>>  -- which doesn't inject one.  It seems that it's the job of the MUA
>>  (Mailman in this case) to create the Date: line according to RFC-2822.
> 
> 
>     The MUA should include a Date: header, that's true.  However, it's 
> up to the injecting MTA to either make sure that the minimum required 
> headers are present in the message when it accepts it, or to put the 
> headers on there.  Dan will violently disagree, but qmail is at fault here.
> 
>     There are plenty of programs available for qmail users who are in 
> this boat and need to have their MTA add headers by default, which qmail 
> otherwise would not do.  However, you need to use qmail resources to 
> find those programs.
> 


From jwblist at olympus.net  Thu Sep  2 00:07:06 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:07:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Date: line in digest header
In-Reply-To: <41362D33.5030301@southwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <BD5B961A.15961%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 9/1/2004 13:12, "Todd K. Watson" <tkw at southwestern.edu> wrote:

> 
> Thanks Brad,
> 
> This makes sense to me, and I was afraid that was going to be the
> answer.  I'll take a look at qmail-based solutions.  However...
> 
> Not to instigate a "who should do what", but this doesn't sit well for
> me.  It seems to me that the MTA should not inject any date except in a
> "Received:" line -- which qmail does.  Since the origination-date date
> line is specified as one of the only required header lines for a message
> in RFC-2822, it would seem to be something that should be fixed on
> Mailman.  I understand that it's up to me to have my MTA allow or deny
> messages without it, but based on my relatively under-educated (I'm new
> to running Mailman) opinion I would rather have the fix on the Mailman
> side.
> 
> Given that, would you recommend that I report this in bugtrack?
> 
> Also, one thing that did turn up in my investigation into this was in
> the release notes (the NEWS file in the root level of the 2.5.1 tarball)
> the following highlight is mentioned in the section for
> Mailman-2.1-Beta-1 (line 591):
> 
> "o Always add an RFC 2822 Date: header if missing, since
> not all MTAs insert one automatically."
> 
> This leads me to think that this was (at least at one time) addressed.
> I can't find anything to indicate that was backed-out.  Also, it doesn't
> specify if it was applied to both digesting and regular messages.  I'm
> assuming only the latter.
> 
> Again, thanks for your response Brad!
> 
> Todd
> 
> 
> Brad Knowles wrote:
>> At 1:53 PM -0500 2004-09-01, Todd K. Watson wrote:
>> 
>>>  Most MTA's and MUA's inject a Date line, but I'm using Qmail as an MTA
>>>  -- which doesn't inject one.  It seems that it's the job of the MUA
>>>  (Mailman in this case) to create the Date: line according to RFC-2822.
>> 
>> 
>>     The MUA should include a Date: header, that's true.  However, it's
>> up to the injecting MTA to either make sure that the minimum required
>> headers are present in the message when it accepts it, or to put the
>> headers on there.  Dan will violently disagree, but qmail is at fault here.
>> 
>>     There are plenty of programs available for qmail users who are in
>> this boat and need to have their MTA add headers by default, which qmail
>> otherwise would not do.  However, you need to use qmail resources to
>> find those programs.

I believe Mailman should generate the required headers, including Date:,
From: (which it does I think), and Message-Id: on digests (where it is
pretty clearly acting as a mail user agent).  Now that I know it doesn't,
I'll configure Exim on our Mailman machine to add the headers if missing
when--some future time--we upgrade Exim on the Mailman machine.

There was a recent thread in the Exim mailing list on this general topic
(although in this case the question was about Bcc: header lines).  And that
thread led to a query on the ietf-822 mailing list, which had discussed the
Bcc: issue at length in the past.

For the Exim developer's summary of the ietf-822 discussion, see
<http://www.exim.org/mail-archives/exim-users/Week-of-Mon-20040816/037254.ht
ml>

The arguments should be similar regarding MTA's adding missing required
headers (Date:, From:, Message-Id:) as for removing Bcc: headers.
Basically, it's the MUA's job...when the MTA does it, it is acting like an
MUA and should only do it if it can be configured to know *when* it is
acting like an MUA.  (Exim does it if called as from the command line with
the -t option.)

Exim's most recent versions have a mechanism for saying essentially "this
message is a submission and you should add missing headers".  (However, this
control does not set up removal of Bcc: header lines...the topic of the ietf
discussion.)

  --John


From msapiro at value.net  Thu Sep  2 03:05:04 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:05:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All AOL members not receiving emails
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040901125823.033541b0@localhost>
Message-ID: <PC171420040901180504025081d29c7e@msapiro>

MLM Subscriber wrote:
>
>Does anyone know if there are AOL User-controllable switches? Can we give 
>the user instructions on how to individually "whitelist" our messages?

I don't know what recent changes AOL has made, but it used to work if
the AOL user put an address in his/her AOL address book, that address
was whitelisted. It is obviously impractical for all AOL subscribers
to a list to put the addresses of all possible posters to a list in
their address books, but it may suffice for the user to put the
envelope-from address of the list (i.e. the
listname-bounces at mailman.domain address) into her/his AOL address
book. It's worth a try.

E.g. for this list, put mailman-users-bounces at python.org into the AOL
address book.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From jnagyjr at joseph-a-nagy-jr.us  Thu Sep  2 03:05:48 2004
From: jnagyjr at joseph-a-nagy-jr.us (Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:05:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Making Announce Only Lists
Message-ID: <20040902010548.GD14879@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us>

I need to create an announce only list, so far I've set the moderation bit
for /everyone/ on the list except for myself, what else do I need to do?
-- 
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Jabber: DarkKnightRadick@(jabber.org|amessage.at) | Libertarian @ Large
PGP: 0x642F7BDA | < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tennesseans-for-badnarik/ >
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From msapiro at value.net  Thu Sep  2 03:13:23 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:13:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Scripting newlist gives weird errors!
In-Reply-To: <20040901144826.31786.qmail@greens.org>
Message-ID: <PC1714200409011813230781b53ca944@msapiro>

hesco at greens.org wrote:
>
>However our server uses exim, which is why I'm building this
>script.

And in case you missed it, John W. Baxter posted about 25 minutes
before the above:

>Using Exim, once the initial install is done correctly, no aliases need be
>messed with when creating or removing mailing lists.

John's post is at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-September/039133.html

Contact him, not me for the meaning of "once the initial install is
done correctly".

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Sep  2 03:25:52 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:25:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Making Announce Only Lists
In-Reply-To: <20040902010548.GD14879@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us>
Message-ID: <PC1714200409011825520343379e4b6b@msapiro>

Joseph A. Nagy, Jr. wrote:
>
>I need to create an announce only list, so far I've set the moderation bit
>for /everyone/ on the list except for myself, what else do I need to do?

Visit the FAQ wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and
read article 3.11

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From jwblist at olympus.net  Thu Sep  2 05:38:01 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:38:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Scripting newlist gives weird errors!
In-Reply-To: <PC1714200409011813230781b53ca944@msapiro>
Message-ID: <BD5BE3A9.1598C%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 9/1/2004 18:13, "Mark Sapiro" <msapiro at value.net> wrote:

> John's post is at
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-September/039133.html
> 
> Contact him, not me for the meaning of "once the initial install is
> done correctly".

It has to do with following the posted recipe which is in a HowTo on the
Exim site (and is also called out separately in the top Documenation page):

http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html
Or, from the US,
http://www.us.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html
to save a little cross ocean traffic (the main site is in England).

In essence, Exim is told about the listname-xxx address suffixes and told
where the lists are (~mailman/lists), and a few other details, and works
everything out for itself based one whether a list exists.

The link I gave is for recent Exim and recent Mailman...there's an old one
nearby on the Documentation page for legacy Exim (eg, as shipped by
Debian...sigh) and older Mailman.

  --John


From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Sep  2 06:34:42 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:34:42 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Block attachments before testing for non-member
In-Reply-To: <867A11F1C097C34831F3341B@L0006T4H251.palm1.palmone.com>
References: <867A11F1C097C34831F3341B@L0006T4H251.palm1.palmone.com>
Message-ID: <68E344C1-FC99-11D8-BB98-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

On Sep 1, 2004, at 01:39, Ed Greenberg wrote:

> Many things show up as "mail from non-member" which contain nothing 
> but a forbidden attachment. Can we run through the content filter 
> BEFORE testing for membership so that this cr*p just gets discarded?

You can change the order of the handlers in the GLOBAL_PIPELINE in your 
mm_cfg.py file.

Rather than doing that, you could change the "Sender filters" page's 
generic_nonmember_action to simply discard messages from non-members.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From paul at thcwd.com  Thu Sep  2 06:36:33 2004
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 23:36:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All AOL members not receiving emails
In-Reply-To: <20040902011204.659831E400D@bag.python.org>
References: <20040902011204.659831E400D@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040901233217.0556bec0@127.0.0.1>

On 08:12 PM 9/1/2004, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
>My AOL users have also "discovered" our mail in their SPAM folders. I run
>both YahooGroups! lists and Mailman lists and it has happened to messages
>from both lists as of ~8/26.

         I can say with confidante that our lists are still getting through 
to most of our AOL subscribers.  Just today I got three list messages 
reported to AOL as spam, which only happens to mail that make it to their 
in box (I get a few of these a week).  I also have some very chatty ladies 
lists, and I can assure you I'd have heard about it if they were not 
getting e-mail.

         So while there may have been changes, they have not blocked all 
list mail.  I do have full or partial personalization on for most of these 
lists, which may be a factor.

<>< Paul




From hesco at greens.org  Thu Sep  2 07:11:19 2004
From: hesco at greens.org (hesco at greens.org)
Date: 2 Sep 2004 05:11:19 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] John:  Doing Exim's Install Correctly.  Hugh
In-Reply-To: <PC1714200409011813230781b53ca944@msapiro>
Message-ID: <20040902051119.8435.qmail@greens.org>

I'm set up in a jail on a BSD server where I don't have root, but have
the cooperation of the root user of our project's jail.  Do I need to
connect instead with the server administrator to make this happen?
Setting up exim correctly, that is.  

BTW, this whole BSD / jail thing is a completely new trip around the
learning curve for me.  Everything works just enough different to drive
me crazy.  

-- Hugh 

Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:13:23 -0700
From: Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>
To: hesco at greens.org, brad at stop.mail-abuse.org, hesco at greens.org
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Scripting newlist gives weird errors!

hesco at greens.org wrote:
>
>However our server uses exim, which is why I'm building this
>script.

And in case you missed it, John W. Baxter posted about 25 minutes
before the above:

>Using Exim, once the initial install is done correctly, no aliases need be
>messed with when creating or removing mailing lists.

John's post is at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-September/039133.html

Contact him, not me for the meaning of "once the initial install is
done correctly".

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Sep  2 08:03:17 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:03:17 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom header
In-Reply-To: <a06110449bd59acacdf20@[192.168.0.34]>
References: <a06110444bd593e65065d@[192.168.0.34]>
	<p06002090bd594da35cb2@[10.0.1.3]>
	<a06110449bd59acacdf20@[192.168.0.34]>
Message-ID: <C875FD93-FCA5-11D8-9427-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Aug 31, 2004, at 13:42, David Cake wrote:

> 	I guess my questions really is 'do the existing per-list 
> customisation options include any way of changes to the mail headers 
> beyond what is already accessible from the GUI?'
> 	And, as a followup, if it requires source code level changes, is 
> there a sane and sensible way of doing these on a per list basis so my 
> installation remains upgradable? I know python, but I'm in no hurry to 
> make by installation unmaintainable.

I think the best way to do this sort of thing is add a handler to that 
list's pipeline that does the processing you want.  If you created a 
DavidsHeader.py in your Mailman/Handlers directory that contained 
simply:

#
# DavidsHeader.py
"""Add a list specific header
"""

def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):
     msg['X-Davids-Header'] = 'my header text'

And then add that handler to the pipeline for the list in question (say 
after the CookHeaders handler) using withlist:
$ bin/withlist -l mylist
 >>>m.pipeline.insert(m.pipeline.index('CookHeaders')+1, 'DavidsHeader')
 >>>m.Save()
 >>>{Ctrl-D}

Your list will be processed with the additional handler that does 
nothing but add a header.

Alternatively you could also use the extend.py mechanism to add the 
header on a list-specific basis.


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Sep  2 08:25:25 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:25:25 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Scripting newlist gives weird errors!
In-Reply-To: <20040901144826.31786.qmail@greens.org>
References: <20040901144826.31786.qmail@greens.org>
Message-ID: <E05CA5B9-FCA8-11D8-9427-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Sep 1, 2004, at 23:48, hesco at greens.org wrote:

> when run on a command line would break down into errors and
> hang when run in a perl script as:
> 	$result = `newlist listname admin pw`; ???

Did you try using newlist's -q switch so that it doesn't pause for the 
operator to hit enter?

But I agree with everyone else... getting your system administrator to 
configure Exim as described on the Exim web page (or the earlier 
version of that text in the README.EXIM file) is definitely the way to 
go.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From hesco at greens.org  Thu Sep  2 10:51:33 2004
From: hesco at greens.org (hesco at greens.org)
Date: 2 Sep 2004 08:51:33 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mmsitepass broken in v 2.1.5?  
Message-ID: <20040902085133.19482.qmail@greens.org>

These are the errors I get.  
Any clues?  

bash-2.05$ ./mmsitepass
New site password:
Again to confirm password:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./mmsitepass", line 105, in ?
    main()
  File "./mmsitepass", line 96, in main
    Utils.set_global_password(pw1, siteadmin)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 328, in
set_global_password
    fp = open(filename, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/data/adm.pw'
bash-2.05$



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Sep  2 10:56:51 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:56:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mmsitepass broken in v 2.1.5?  
In-Reply-To: <20040902085133.19482.qmail@greens.org>
References: <20040902085133.19482.qmail@greens.org>
Message-ID: <0841F87C-FCBE-11D8-88FC-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 2 Sep 2004, at 09:51, hesco at greens.org wrote:

> These are the errors I get.
> Any clues?
>
> bash-2.05$ ./mmsitepass
> New site password:
> Again to confirm password:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "./mmsitepass", line 105, in ?
>     main()
>   File "./mmsitepass", line 96, in main
>     Utils.set_global_password(pw1, siteadmin)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 328, in
> set_global_password
>     fp = open(filename, 'w')
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/data/adm.pw'
> bash-2.05$
>

The script is not broken but the permissions on the cited file do not 
allow write for the userid/groupid you executed the script as. Check 
the file's permissions and the userid you are running as.



From macangels at spamcop.net  Thu Sep  2 12:33:32 2004
From: macangels at spamcop.net (demo)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:33:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing out English / US from HTML render
In-Reply-To: <20040902100017.43F821E400D@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <BD5CB58C.28A7%macangels@spamcop.net>

Yup, 

I know it sounds petty and I guess it is just a Scottish thing - or about
any reminder of any Imperial Force especially in these rabid Bush/Blair dogs
of war days - but;

How can I edit off the constant " English / US " references when I am only
using one language so that I, and my users, never have to see it?

May be " International " would be a better thing to put?

[ Been through all the templates ]

USUK indeed.

Thanks,

MA





From hesco at greens.org  Thu Sep  2 12:51:24 2004
From: hesco at greens.org (hesco at greens.org)
Date: 2 Sep 2004 10:51:24 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mmsitepass broken in v 2.1.5?
In-Reply-To: <0841F87C-FCBE-11D8-88FC-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20040902105124.24717.qmail@greens.org>

OK.  I see that.  Here's is what I got:  
-rw-r-----  1 root  mailman  41 Aug 16 23:04 ../data/adm.pw 

I'm a member of mailman, but am not root.  
Do I break the installation by asking root 
to reset these permissions with chmod g+w?  

-- Hugh 

>From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Sep 02 08:57:53 2004
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
From: Richard Barrett <r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mmsitepass broken in v 2.1.5?  
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:56:51 +0100
To: hesco at greens.org

On 2 Sep 2004, at 09:51, hesco at greens.org wrote:

> These are the errors I get.
> Any clues?
>
> bash-2.05$ ./mmsitepass
> New site password:
> Again to confirm password:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "./mmsitepass", line 105, in ?
>     main()
>   File "./mmsitepass", line 96, in main
>     Utils.set_global_password(pw1, siteadmin)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 328, in
> set_global_password
>     fp = open(filename, 'w')
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/data/adm.pw'
> bash-2.05$
>

The script is not broken but the permissions on the cited file do not 
allow write for the userid/groupid you executed the script as. Check 
the file's permissions and the userid you are running as.



From christian at wix.dk  Thu Sep  2 13:09:04 2004
From: christian at wix.dk (Christian Wix)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:09:04 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subject prefix missing
Message-ID: <2008.192.38.89.94.1094123344.squirrel@webmail.linuxtips.dk>

Hi,

The subject prefix is missing on one of my lists. Even if I use
config_list to copy the settings of another list where the subject prefix
is working. (Ofcourse I change listname and so forth). How can that be.

// Chr. Wix

-- 
M.Sc. Student
Bachelor of Science in Chemical Engineering
Department of Chemical Engineering, DTU




From lists at viplist.us  Thu Sep  2 14:20:27 2004
From: lists at viplist.us (Lloyd F. Tennison)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 05:20:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shunting - Where Did they Go?
Message-ID: <4136AD9B.15080.24ED79@localhost>

I am re-asking this as it seems I am not the only one with this problem and none of 
use received an answer.


I had a problem and my MTA restart itself automatically.  Mailman threw the following error:(SMTP log)


Aug 27 04:38:41 2004 (26555) All recipients refused: please run connect() first
Aug 27 04:38:41 2004 (26555) All recipients refused: please run connect() first
Aug 27 04:38:41 2004 (26555) All recipients refused: please run connect() first


For the remainder of the list - about 20,000 emails.  I saw files (about six) in the shunt folder.  I waited a couple of hours since I thought Mailman would retry (I also stopped and started Mailman) but to no avail.  I saw the "unshunt" command and ran it.  No errors and it removed the files from the shunt queue - but then nothing happened again.  No pick up wgere left off, no nothing.  Tried restarting, even recompiling and restarting, but no difference.  Since I am assuming they are gone and the only way to 
recover if to extract sent ones from the log file - what do I do if this ever happens again?

Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
lloyd_tennison at whoever.com

No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
inconvenienced.



From relson at osagesoftware.com  Thu Sep  2 14:20:40 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:20:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception: unknown encoding
Message-ID: <20040902082040.73b1f257@osage.osagesoftware.com>

Greetings,

Yesterday morning I learned that my mailing lists weren't processing
messages.  When I checked, I discovered that qrunner wasn't running. 
That was easily fixed with "mailmanctl restart".

This morning I decided to investigate and looked at
/var/log/mailman/errors where I found

Sep 02 04:38:56 2004 (27368) Uncaught runner exception: unknown
encoding: gb2312
Sep 02 04:38:56 2004 (27368) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 239, in
_dispose
    res.do_command('join')
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 137, in
do_command
    return handler.process(self, args)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Commands/cmd_subscribe.py", line 87, in
process
    h = make_header(decode_header(realname))
  File
"/home/relson/tmp/RPM/mailman-buildroot/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email
/Header.py", line 144, in make_header
  File
"/home/relson/tmp/RPM/mailman-buildroot/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email
/Header.py", line 272, in append
LookupError: unknown encoding: gb2312

Sep 02 04:38:56 2004 (27368) SHUNTING:
1094114335.1847119+d8738c5b43545415c1f7eaa818f52c7289f1a8ea

The FAQ don't mention this problem, so I googled for "LookupError:
unknown encoding:" and didn't find a solution.

FWIW, I've checked email/Charsets.py and it does have a gb2312 entry

I'm running mailman-2.1.5 on Mandrake 10.0 on Intel with kernel-2.4.22. 
Any other info needed??

Regards,

David


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep  2 14:26:17 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:26:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subject prefix missing
In-Reply-To: <2008.192.38.89.94.1094123344.squirrel@webmail.linuxtips.dk>
References: <2008.192.38.89.94.1094123344.squirrel@webmail.linuxtips.dk>
Message-ID: <p060020b6bd5cc1ce2e85@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:09 PM +0200 2004-09-02, Christian Wix wrote:

>  The subject prefix is missing on one of my lists. Even if I use
>  config_list to copy the settings of another list where the subject prefix
>  is working. (Ofcourse I change listname and so forth). How can that be.

	Did you stop and restart mailman so that the programs can re-load 
the correct configuration data?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep  2 14:25:37 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:25:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mmsitepass broken in v 2.1.5?
In-Reply-To: <20040902105124.24717.qmail@greens.org>
References: <20040902105124.24717.qmail@greens.org>
Message-ID: <p060020b5bd5cc1a2242d@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:51 AM +0000 2004-09-02, hesco at greens.org wrote:

>  I'm a member of mailman, but am not root.
>  Do I break the installation by asking root
>  to reset these permissions with chmod g+w?

	Yup.  Being in the group, you're allowed to read this file, but 
not write to it.  Only root can write to it.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Sep  2 14:35:04 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:35:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mmsitepass broken in v 2.1.5?
In-Reply-To: <20040902105124.24717.qmail@greens.org>
References: <20040902105124.24717.qmail@greens.org>
Message-ID: <840A8B54-FCDC-11D8-88FC-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 2 Sep 2004, at 11:51, hesco at greens.org wrote:

> OK.  I see that.  Here's is what I got:
> -rw-r-----  1 root  mailman  41 Aug 16 23:04 ../data/adm.pw
>
> I'm a member of mailman, but am not root.
> Do I break the installation by asking root
> to reset these permissions with chmod g+w?
>

It will only be a problem if your site manager thinks that it is a bad 
thing letting any userid which is a member of the mailman group change 
the site password. It is a system management/security issue and a 
change should not cause the rest of Mailman's code any direct problem, 
as long as it can still read the stored, encrypted password.

> -- Hugh 
>
>> From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk Thu Sep 02 08:57:53 2004
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> From: Richard Barrett <r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mmsitepass broken in v 2.1.5?
> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:56:51 +0100
> To: hesco at greens.org
>
> On 2 Sep 2004, at 09:51, hesco at greens.org wrote:
>
>> These are the errors I get.
>> Any clues?
>>
>> bash-2.05$ ./mmsitepass
>> New site password:
>> Again to confirm password:
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "./mmsitepass", line 105, in ?
>>     main()
>>   File "./mmsitepass", line 96, in main
>>     Utils.set_global_password(pw1, siteadmin)
>>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 328, in
>> set_global_password
>>     fp = open(filename, 'w')
>> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/data/adm.pw'
>> bash-2.05$
>>
>
> The script is not broken but the permissions on the cited file do not
> allow write for the userid/groupid you executed the script as. Check
> the file's permissions and the userid you are running as.
>



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep  2 15:40:13 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:40:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem
In-Reply-To: <001001c49036$9aa69a60$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM>
References: <PC1700200408280938090718f89aadf7@msapiro>
	<001b01c48e8b$ee810e10$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM>
	<p06002081bd58c05a3a26@[10.0.1.3]>
	<006401c48e94$af1e0260$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM>
	<20040830091043.O47978@pooh.ASARian.org>
	<001001c49036$9aa69a60$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM>
Message-ID: <p060020b9bd5cd2ff3601@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:16 PM +0200 2004-09-01, Rimgaudas Laucius wrote:

>  But now i see that it is related only to windows encoding (with other
>  encodings: ISO, UTF is all right) and i guess it is not python problem
>  because i have installed 2.2.1 version.

	For Mailman 2.1.5, you need Python 2.3 or higher.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.008.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From chardlist at chard.net  Thu Sep  2 15:45:00 2004
From: chardlist at chard.net (Brendan Chard)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:45:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Update batch of users?
Message-ID: <200409021344.i82Dikax089439@server5.chard.net>

I'm running a MM 2.1.4 server with 40 lists on it.  One company that has
many members subscribed to many lists has changed its domain name.  Is there
a way to easily update all members subscribed to lists with @domain1.com to
make them @domain2.com or will each user have to log in individually and
update their own address?

-Brendan



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep  2 15:55:54 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:55:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Update batch of users?
In-Reply-To: <200409021344.i82Dikax089439@server5.chard.net>
References: <200409021344.i82Dikax089439@server5.chard.net>
Message-ID: <p060020babd5cd622f237@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:45 AM -0500 2004-09-02, Brendan Chard wrote:

>                                                                      Is there
>  a way to easily update all members subscribed to lists with @domain1.com to
>  make them @domain2.com or will each user have to log in individually and
>  update their own address?

	Easy way?  Depends on what you call "easy".

	You could go through with the command-line tools and "withlist" 
(see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp>) 
to process each and every list, look at all of the users for each 
list, and then correct each individual entry.

	That's not what I would call easy, at least not for you, although 
I'm sure your users would love that, since that would mean they don't 
have to do any work.


	If you want more examples of how to use "withlist", I'd encourage 
you to search the archives of the mailman-users and 
mailman-developers mailing lists, as shown in 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.018.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep  2 16:03:08 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:03:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mmsitepass broken in v 2.1.5?
In-Reply-To: <840A8B54-FCDC-11D8-88FC-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <20040902105124.24717.qmail@greens.org>
	<840A8B54-FCDC-11D8-88FC-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p060020bbbd5cd7012685@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:35 PM +0100 2004-09-02, Richard Barrett quoted hesco at greens.org:

>>  I'm a member of mailman, but am not root.
>>  Do I break the installation by asking root
>>  to reset these permissions with chmod g+w?
>
>  It will only be a problem if your site manager thinks that it is a bad
>  thing letting any userid which is a member of the mailman group change
>  the site password.

	IIRC, this poster is in a *BSD jail() environment, without the 
root password -- which I think means that this jail is dedicated to 
him.  He got the guy with root password to change all these files, 
but in this circumstance I don't think that worked quite the way they 
expected.

	Assuming I am correct, then changing the group writership of this 
file shouldn't pose a greatly increased security risk, although he 
should be aware that anyone who can get into the mailman group on the 
bare machine would then be able to access and modify the files from 
outside the jail.


	Unfortunately, when you're trying to run something like this in a 
chroot() or jail() environment that doesn't completely and totally 
simulate a full virtual machine where you can have complete root 
access to your entire "system", things tend to get a bit strange.

	I think relatively few mailman admins are in this kind of 
environment -- most either own the entire machine or they use list 
hosting facilities provided by others, and not many are between these 
extremes.

	This also means that there are few experienced mailman admins who 
can answer questions about chroot()/jail() strangeness based on prior 
experience, or who can then put that kind of information into the 
documentation, FAQ, etc....

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From msapiro at value.net  Thu Sep  2 16:22:35 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:22:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:  Getting Mailman to work properly
In-Reply-To: <4135EDAF.8060306@chemtool.com>
Message-ID: <PC1714200409020722350671e85512e2@msapiro>

z002161 wrote:
>
>The Postfix program
>
>everyone at chemtool.be: Command died
>with status 2:
>    "/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post everyone". Command output:
>Failure to
>    exec script. WANTED gid 65533, GOT gid 67.
>
>65533 is nobody, and 67 is mailman


Visit the FAQ wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and
search for the simple string "wanted gid" without the quotes.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From relson at osagesoftware.com  Thu Sep  2 20:04:11 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:04:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem
In-Reply-To: <p060020b9bd5cd2ff3601@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <PC1700200408280938090718f89aadf7@msapiro>
	<001b01c48e8b$ee810e10$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM>
	<p06002081bd58c05a3a26@[10.0.1.3]>
	<006401c48e94$af1e0260$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM>
	<20040830091043.O47978@pooh.ASARian.org>
	<001001c49036$9aa69a60$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM>
	<p060020b9bd5cd2ff3601@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <20040902140411.210a83c6@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:40:13 +0200
Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 5:16 PM +0200 2004-09-01, Rimgaudas Laucius wrote:
> 
> >  But now i see that it is related only to windows encoding (with
> >  other encodings: ISO, UTF is all right) and i guess it is not
> >  python problem because i have installed 2.2.1 version.
> 
> 	For Mailman 2.1.5, you need Python 2.3 or higher.  See 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.008.htp
> >.
> 

AFAICT, Rimgaudaus is reporting that subject
"=?windows-1257?Q?=E0=FEe=E1=F8=EB=E6=FB?=" worked fine with
mailman-2.1.4 and doesnt work with mailman-2.1.5.  When using a
different encoding, e.g. "=?iso-8859-13?Q?=E0=FEe=E1=F8=EB=E6=FB?=",
works fine with both 2.1.4 and 2.1.5

Given the info, I decided to use the command line to run a simple test
-- messages to a user and to a list, i.e.:

  SUBJECT="=?windows-1257?Q?=E0=FEe=E1=F8=EB=E6=FB?="
  echo test | mail -s"$SUBJECT" user at osagesoftware.com
  echo test | mail -s"$SUBJECT" list at osagesoftware.com      

The admin page, i.e. mailman/admindb/test, shows "Subject: ??e???" which
is fine.  Both arrived correctly and my MUA shows the subject as
"__e___" which is acceptable.

I'm using mailman-2.1.5 on Mandrake 10.0 with python-2.3.3

Regards,

David


From dave at difference.com.au  Thu Sep  2 17:21:34 2004
From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 23:21:34 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail vs mailman again
Message-ID: <a06110403bd5c77d9c049@[192.168.0.34]>

	The problem seems to be that mail to a list (say 
test at mailhost) is attempted to be delivered to mailman at mailhost, and 
that when the qmail-to-mailman.py script reads LOCAL with ( local = 
os.environ["LOCAL"]) it gets mailman, rather than list name. Any 
suggestions?
  /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains is mail.readylist.com.au:mailman, 
~mailman/.qmail and .qmail-default are |/var/qmail/bin/preline 
/usr/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py

	Regards
		David


From dave at difference.com.au  Thu Sep  2 17:21:53 2004
From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 23:21:53 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom header
In-Reply-To: <C875FD93-FCA5-11D8-9427-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
References: <a06110444bd593e65065d@[192.168.0.34]>
	<p06002090bd594da35cb2@[10.0.1.3]>
	<a06110449bd59acacdf20@[192.168.0.34]>
	<C875FD93-FCA5-11D8-9427-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <a06110402bd5c71a34b74@[192.168.0.34]>

	[suggestion deleted]
	Thanks, Jim - I'd asked this question a few times in various 
forums and always been told it was more or less impossible to do in a 
relatively clean way (ie told that I'd have to add list specific 
tests in main code) - and you provide with not one but two mechanisms!
	Thanks.

	David


From bbyrne at freepress.net  Thu Sep  2 20:32:31 2004
From: bbyrne at freepress.net (Ben Byrne)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:32:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sudden "group mismatch error" 
Message-ID: <73238A44-FD0E-11D8-885E-000A957A369C@freepress.net>

Hey everyone.

I just joined the list and this is my first post, so I apologize if 
it's out of sync with what's going on.

I've been running Mailman happily on our server (mac os x server on an 
xserve) for months. But suddenly today things have gone awry. 
Specifically, I'm now getting this error when I try to post to a list:

    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post staff"
     (reason: 2)
     (expanded from: <staff at freepress.net>)

    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but
the system's mail server executed the mail script as
group "daemon".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the
script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=daemon'.

Like I said, I've been running mailman for several months without 
problems, and am very surprised to get this message. Yesterday I made a 
minor change to our sendmail configuration (activated a feature), so 
I'm wondering if something hasn't changed in sendmail?  I understand I 
can rerun the configuration, as it says, but I'd prefer to "tweak the 
mail server" back to however it was before (de-activating the feature 
didn't seem to help). I don't believe the change I made should have 
affected who sendmail runs scripts as, all I did was activate 
FEATURE(`relay_mail_from'), but here I am with a problem.

Any help would be appreciated, I've got several live, active lists that 
are down as a result of this (!)

Ben Byrne
Information Coordinator
Free Press
413.585.1533, x11

Support the media reform movement,
become a member of the Free Press Action Fund!
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From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep  2 21:18:20 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:18:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sudden "group mismatch error"
In-Reply-To: <73238A44-FD0E-11D8-885E-000A957A369C@freepress.net>
References: <73238A44-FD0E-11D8-885E-000A957A369C@freepress.net>
Message-ID: <p060020bdbd5d21057f8e@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:32 PM -0400 2004-09-02, Ben Byrne wrote:

>  I've been running Mailman happily on our server (mac os x server on an
>  xserve) for months. But suddenly today things have gone awry.

	Is this Mailman as provided by Apple with MacOS X Server?  If so, 
then you need to take another look at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.021.htp>.

	Specifically, the stuff at the bottom about Mailman on MacOS X Server.

>  Specifically, I'm now getting this error when I try to post to a list:
>
>     ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post staff"
>      (reason: 2)
>      (expanded from: <staff at freepress.net>)
>
>     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>  Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
>  wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but
>  the system's mail server executed the mail script as
>  group "daemon".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the
>  script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
>  providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=daemon'.

	The standard answer to this question is at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.004.htp>.

	Unfortunately, the standard answer tells you to reinstall Mailman 
with the right group, which you can't do because Apple didn't give 
you the source code to the version they shipped.  Moreover, they 
created their own proprietary admin interface, so you can't upgrade 
the version of Mailman you're running unless you completely rip out 
everything Apple gave you with regards to Mailman under MacOS X 
Server and install your own copy that is based directly on our source 
code.

>  Like I said, I've been running mailman for several months without problems,
>  and am very surprised to get this message. Yesterday I made a minor change
>  to our sendmail configuration (activated a feature), so I'm wondering if
>  something hasn't changed in sendmail?

	It's hard to say.  Apple ships that as a closed black box, so 
virtually everything under the hood is hidden from view, even from 
those people who would otherwise know what they're doing.

>  Any help would be appreciated, I've got several live, active lists that
>  are down as a result of this (!)

	With MacOS X Server, about the only thing we can recommend is 
that you contact Apple to find out how to fix what they've shipped.


	I've recently gotten some more contacts inside Apple and I'm 
trying to get contacts with the team that is responsible for creating 
MacOS X Server.  So far, I'm not having any luck.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep  2 21:20:57 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:20:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 subject line problem
In-Reply-To: <20040902140411.210a83c6@osage.osagesoftware.com>
References: <PC1700200408280938090718f89aadf7@msapiro>
	<001b01c48e8b$ee810e10$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM>
	<p06002081bd58c05a3a26@[10.0.1.3]>
	<006401c48e94$af1e0260$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM>
	<20040830091043.O47978@pooh.ASARian.org>
	<001001c49036$9aa69a60$6633dbc1@INSTITUTJZW0PM>
	<p060020b9bd5cd2ff3601@[10.0.1.3]>
	<20040902140411.210a83c6@osage.osagesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <p060020bebd5d2282d8c0@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:04 PM -0400 2004-09-02, David Relson quoted Brad Knowles:

>>  	For Mailman 2.1.5, you need Python 2.3 or higher.  See
>>  <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.008.htp>.
>
>  AFAICT, Rimgaudaus is reporting that subject
>  "=?windows-1257?Q?=E0=FEe=E1=F8=EB=E6=FB?=" worked fine with
>  mailman-2.1.4 and doesnt work with mailman-2.1.5.

	He said he's using Python 2.2, and Mailman 2.1.5 is known to 
require Python 2.3.  This is all I was referring to.

	As to whether or not this resolves the overall problem he's 
having with Mailman 2.1.5, I can't say.  The only way to find out for 
sure would be for him to upgrade his version of Python and see if the 
problem persists.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From bbyrne at freepress.net  Thu Sep  2 21:49:06 2004
From: bbyrne at freepress.net (Ben Byrne)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:49:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sudden "group mismatch error"
In-Reply-To: <p060020bdbd5d21057f8e@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <73238A44-FD0E-11D8-885E-000A957A369C@freepress.net>
	<p060020bdbd5d21057f8e@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <261EC9CB-FD19-11D8-885E-000A957A369C@freepress.net>

Thanks. Fortunately I'm running a version of OS X server that predates  
Apple's inclusion of mailman, and I believe I've found the source  
directory used for the installation (I did not perform the install).

I have a stupid but quick question: will running

#make clean,
#configure --with-mail-gid=daemon
#make install

erase my existing lists, or will they be left untouched? If the former,  
is there a convenient way to backup and re-create the lists  
post-install?

Ben Byrne
Information Coordinator
Free Press
413.585.1533, x11

On Sep 2, 2004, at 3:18pm, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 2:32 PM -0400 2004-09-02, Ben Byrne wrote:
>
>>  I've been running Mailman happily on our server (mac os x server on  
>> an
>>  xserve) for months. But suddenly today things have gone awry.
>
> 	Is this Mailman as provided by Apple with MacOS X Server?  If so,  
> then you need to take another look at  
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? 
> req=show&file=faq01.021.htp>.
>
> 	Specifically, the stuff at the bottom about Mailman on MacOS X Server.
>
>>  Specifically, I'm now getting this error when I try to post to a  
>> list:
>>
>>     ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>>  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post staff"
>>      (reason: 2)
>>      (expanded from: <staff at freepress.net>)
>>
>>     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>>  Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
>>  wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but
>>  the system's mail server executed the mail script as
>>  group "daemon".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the
>>  script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
>>  providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=daemon'.
>
> 	The standard answer to this question is at  
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? 
> req=show&file=faq01.004.htp>.
>
> 	Unfortunately, the standard answer tells you to reinstall Mailman  
> with the right group, which you can't do because Apple didn't give you  
> the source code to the version they shipped.  Moreover, they created  
> their own proprietary admin interface, so you can't upgrade the  
> version of Mailman you're running unless you completely rip out  
> everything Apple gave you with regards to Mailman under MacOS X Server  
> and install your own copy that is based directly on our source code.
>
>>  Like I said, I've been running mailman for several months without  
>> problems,
>>  and am very surprised to get this message. Yesterday I made a minor  
>> change
>>  to our sendmail configuration (activated a feature), so I'm  
>> wondering if
>>  something hasn't changed in sendmail?
>
> 	It's hard to say.  Apple ships that as a closed black box, so  
> virtually everything under the hood is hidden from view, even from  
> those people who would otherwise know what they're doing.
>
>>  Any help would be appreciated, I've got several live, active lists  
>> that
>>  are down as a result of this (!)
>
> 	With MacOS X Server, about the only thing we can recommend is that  
> you contact Apple to find out how to fix what they've shipped.
>
>
> 	I've recently gotten some more contacts inside Apple and I'm trying  
> to get contacts with the team that is responsible for creating MacOS X  
> Server.  So far, I'm not having any luck.
>
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
>
> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
>
>     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
>     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755
>
>   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>
>



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep  2 22:35:25 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 22:35:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sudden "group mismatch error"
In-Reply-To: <261EC9CB-FD19-11D8-885E-000A957A369C@freepress.net>
References: <73238A44-FD0E-11D8-885E-000A957A369C@freepress.net>
	<p060020bdbd5d21057f8e@[10.0.1.3]>
	<261EC9CB-FD19-11D8-885E-000A957A369C@freepress.net>
Message-ID: <p060020bfbd5d3409f487@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:49 PM -0400 2004-09-02, Ben Byrne wrote:

>  Thanks. Fortunately I'm running a version of OS X server that predates
>  Apple's inclusion of mailman, and I believe I've found the source
>  directory used for the installation (I did not perform the install).

	Whew!  Then you can ignore everything I said about running 
Mailman on MacOS X Server.  Thankfully.

>  I have a stupid but quick question: will running
>
>  #make clean,
>  #configure --with-mail-gid=daemon
>  #make install
>
>  erase my existing lists, or will they be left untouched? If the former,
>  is there a convenient way to backup and re-create the lists post-install?

	I think this should be safe, but I'd want a backup of all the 
mailing lists, etc... just in case.  It shouldn't go randomly 
deleting anything in $MAILMAN_HOME/* unless it's updating a given 
binary from what it has just built, but I don't feel that you can 
never be 100% certain.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From bbyrne at freepress.net  Thu Sep  2 23:04:22 2004
From: bbyrne at freepress.net (Ben Byrne)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:04:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sudden "group mismatch error"
In-Reply-To: <p060020bfbd5d3409f487@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <73238A44-FD0E-11D8-885E-000A957A369C@freepress.net>
	<p060020bdbd5d21057f8e@[10.0.1.3]>
	<261EC9CB-FD19-11D8-885E-000A957A369C@freepress.net>
	<p060020bfbd5d3409f487@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <AA07FE4E-FD23-11D8-885E-000A957A369C@freepress.net>

So I idiotically decided to go ahead and do this without making backups 
of the lists (mostly because I wasn't sure of the best way to do that 
short of manually dumping each list with list_members).

It solved my problem (once I figured out I had to run "mailmanctl stop" 
before redoing the install). All lists appear to be intact.

Sorry to inconvenience anyone with what I now know was "the most common 
and frequest question asked on the Mailman support lists."

Ben

On Sep 2, 2004, at 4:35pm, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 3:49 PM -0400 2004-09-02, Ben Byrne wrote:
>
>>  Thanks. Fortunately I'm running a version of OS X server that 
>> predates
>>  Apple's inclusion of mailman, and I believe I've found the source
>>  directory used for the installation (I did not perform the install).
>
> 	Whew!  Then you can ignore everything I said about running Mailman on 
> MacOS X Server.  Thankfully.
>
>>  I have a stupid but quick question: will running
>>
>>  #make clean,
>>  #configure --with-mail-gid=daemon
>>  #make install
>>
>>  erase my existing lists, or will they be left untouched? If the 
>> former,
>>  is there a convenient way to backup and re-create the lists 
>> post-install?
>
> 	I think this should be safe, but I'd want a backup of all the mailing 
> lists, etc... just in case.  It shouldn't go randomly deleting 
> anything in $MAILMAN_HOME/* unless it's updating a given binary from 
> what it has just built, but I don't feel that you can never be 100% 
> certain.
>
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
>
> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
>
>     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
>     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755
>
>   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>
>



From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Thu Sep  2 23:08:37 2004
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:08:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sudden "group mismatch error"
In-Reply-To: <261EC9CB-FD19-11D8-885E-000A957A369C@freepress.net>
References: <73238A44-FD0E-11D8-885E-000A957A369C@freepress.net>
	<p060020bdbd5d21057f8e@[10.0.1.3]>
	<261EC9CB-FD19-11D8-885E-000A957A369C@freepress.net>
Message-ID: <41C8E0FE-FD24-11D8-A7A6-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu>

On Sep 2, 2004, at 2:49 PM, Ben Byrne wrote:
> Thanks. Fortunately I'm running a version of OS X server that predates 
> Apple's inclusion of mailman, and I believe I've found the source 
> directory used for the installation (I did not perform the install).
>
> I have a stupid but quick question: will running
>
> #make clean,
> #configure --with-mail-gid=daemon
> #make install
>
> erase my existing lists, or will they be left untouched? If the 
> former, is there a convenient way to backup and re-create the lists 
> post-install?
>

I'm also running mailman on OS X Server 10.2, installed from source. 
The difficulties  Brad describes are one of the main reasons I haven't 
updated to Panther Server.

Go to your source folder and look at the head of config.log. That will 
show what options were specified in the last install. Copy all of those 
except the different mail-gid in your configure command. This will not 
overwrite any existing lists. Just remember to run mailmanctl stop 
before doing it ;-)


Dan



From macangels at spamcop.net  Fri Sep  3 00:43:14 2004
From: macangels at spamcop.net (demo)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:43:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on OS X Server
In-Reply-To: <20040902194922.283531E4008@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <BD5D6092.2920%macangels@spamcop.net>

Hi

Just as an aside;

> It's hard to say.  Apple ships that as a closed black box, so
> virtually everything under the hood is hidden from view, even from
> those people who would otherwise know what they're doing.

Its a bitter truth but Apple's position is that " they don't support 'their'
Mailman ". Expect a lot more traffic from drowning MacHeads on this list, of
which I am one.

I find it kind of unethic given that OS X Server is *sold* on the basis that
it has all this cool Open Source software, but in my experience, when you
call up tech support they know nothing beyond pushing buttons. The Mailman
is not even included in free support days.

I had a really simple problem [ hostname incorrect due to setting up X
server prior to knowing domain name ]  and wasted a couple of hours over a
few days with countless techs ending in a semantic debate over what the
support contract included. [ They would not even show me what their
guidelines are ].

> With MacOS X Server, about the only thing we can recommend is
> that you contact Apple to find out how to fix what they've shipped.

There is nothing in the kbase or their inhouse knowledge base and the
frontline are told to merely sell you a paid consultation with professional
tech support services [ for which price you could have bought Communigate ].

No guaranties given your problem with be solved but credit card details
taken. 

Beware!

MA
 
> I've recently gotten some more contacts inside Apple and I'm
> trying to get contacts with the team that is responsible for creating
> MacOS X Server.  So far, I'm not having any luck.

Good luck!




From photo at jeffpflueger.com  Fri Sep  3 00:55:20 2004
From: photo at jeffpflueger.com (Jeff Pflueger)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:55:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Security in an nnouncement only list
Message-ID: <4137A4D8.8090300@jeffpflueger.com>

Hi.
I'm setting up an announcement only list on mailman 2.1: Only one email 
address announcing to an audience of several who receive messages. 
Everything is working great, but there seems to be a glaring security 
hole: Somebody can fake the From: in the email and post to the entire 
list. The best way around this (available in the Listserv software) is 
an email confirmation sent to the poster.

Is there a way to set this up in mailman? Could I set up the poster to 
be moderated by himself or something like that?

Thanks!
Jeff



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep  3 01:34:32 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 01:34:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Security in an nnouncement only list
In-Reply-To: <4137A4D8.8090300@jeffpflueger.com>
References: <4137A4D8.8090300@jeffpflueger.com>
Message-ID: <p060020c3bd5d5e31d5c9@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:55 PM -0700 2004-09-02, Jeff Pflueger wrote:

>  Everything is working great, but there seems to be a glaring security
>  hole: Somebody can fake the From: in the email and post to the entire
>  list.

	Yup.

>         The best way around this (available in the Listserv software)
>  is an email confirmation sent to the poster.

	You could reject all postings from unapproved addresses, and 
moderate your own.  When you get the notice that there is a message 
to moderate, you can release it from the web interface.

>  Is there a way to set this up in mailman? Could I set up the poster
>  to be moderated by himself or something like that?

	Essentially, yes.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep  3 01:36:03 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 01:36:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on OS X Server
In-Reply-To: <BD5D6092.2920%macangels@spamcop.net>
References: <BD5D6092.2920%macangels@spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <p060020c4bd5d5e8eeba7@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:43 PM +0100 2004-09-02, demo wrote:

>  Its a bitter truth but Apple's position is that " they don't support 'their'
>  Mailman ". Expect a lot more traffic from drowning MacHeads on this list, of
>  which I am one.

	I'm picking up some contacts within Apple, and they tell me that 
the team which is responsible for developing and maintaining MacOS X 
Server is non-responsive to them, too.  They don't just blow off 
their customers, they also blow off their co-workers.

	There's not much you can do in the face of those kinds of problems.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com  Fri Sep  3 02:12:36 2004
From: Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com (Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:12:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman CGI error!!!
Message-ID: <OF7F913F30.2B843766-ON88256F04.0000D322@com>

Hello

I downloaded the debian mailman package and tried to run it.
But when I go to http://www.thorie.com/mailman/listinfo, I get this error:

--------------------------------
Mailman CGI error!!!
The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set 
by the Web server.
The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed 
incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close 
attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being 
stored in your syslog: 

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 33, GOT gid -1.  (Reconfigure to take 
-1?)
--------------------------------

I looked on the mailman FAQ, but it says to reconfigure with some options. 
I didn't compile from source. I checked the mm_cfg.py file, but I don't 
see anywhere to set gid to -1.

I'm not sure what to do at this point.

By the way, I'm running Apache 2.0.50 and it is installed from source in 
/home/tak/httpd

Can someone help me?

Thanks,
Takahiro


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep  3 02:19:24 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 02:19:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman CGI error!!!
In-Reply-To: <OF7F913F30.2B843766-ON88256F04.0000D322@com>
References: <OF7F913F30.2B843766-ON88256F04.0000D322@com>
Message-ID: <p060020c7bd5d68d45401@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:12 PM -0700 2004-09-02, Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com wrote:

>  I looked on the mailman FAQ, but it says to reconfigure with some options.
>  I didn't compile from source. I checked the mm_cfg.py file, but I don't
>  see anywhere to set gid to -1.

	That's a result of an error in the creation of the Debian 
package.  You need to talk to the Debian people, preferably the 
person responsible for maintaining that package.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From photo at jeffpflueger.com  Fri Sep  3 03:39:50 2004
From: photo at jeffpflueger.com (Jeff Pflueger)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:39:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] anonymous posting
Message-ID: <4137CB66.1000701@jeffpflueger.com>

if anonymous list is checked as 'yes'

the subject line seems to be:
"[list name] from the_anonymous_poster at hidden_url.com"

with the_anonymous_poster at hidden_url.com being whoever posted to the list.

Anyway to disable this and make it completely anonymous?

Thanks!
Jeff



From lists at lastonepicked.com  Fri Sep  3 03:45:13 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:45:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: *Recommended* Mailman Hosts
Message-ID: <BD5D1AB9.390E8%lists@lastonepicked.com>

Hello,

I know that there is a page on the mailman site that talks about list
hosting...

I am interested in anyone's recommendations as to a specific host.

Please contact me off-list as I would rather not fill the list up with
off-topic traffic.

Thanks,
Hunter




From Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com  Fri Sep  3 03:48:02 2004
From: Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com (Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:48:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sequence Numbers
Message-ID: <OF72DCBB4E.BBA0E863-ON88256F04.0009B918@com>

Hi,

I applied the patch found on 

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=601117&group_id=103&atid=300103

File: http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.5+patch.20040516.gz

that adds sequence numbers. I reconfigured, did make, make install (with 
errors).
I'm using 2.1.5

Any idea why it's not working?

Here's the error when i visit the mailman/listinfo page:
--------------------------
Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of 
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/tak/mailman/scripts/driver", line 61, in run_main
    import paths
  File "/home/tak/mailman/scripts/paths.py", line 55, in ?
    import japanese
ImportError: No module named japanese
------------------------

Thanks in Advance!


From ptatters at zerobyzero.ca  Fri Sep  3 04:29:06 2004
From: ptatters at zerobyzero.ca (Peter Tattersall)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 22:29:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on OS X Server
In-Reply-To: <p060020c4bd5d5e8eeba7@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <BD5D6092.2920%macangels@spamcop.net>
	<p060020c4bd5d5e8eeba7@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <077704ED-FD51-11D8-8364-0003931C4CFA@zerobyzero.ca>

On 2-Sep-04, at 7:36 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:

> 	I'm picking up some contacts within Apple, and they tell me that the 
> team which is responsible for developing and maintaining MacOS X 
> Server is non-responsive to them, too.  They don't just blow off their 
> customers, they also blow off their co-workers.
>
> 	There's not much you can do in the face of those kinds of problems.

The pity of it is that on the regular MacOS X it is trivial to get 
Mailman going. After a head crash took out my hard drive last week I 
installed MacOS 10.3 on the new drive, set up my network environment, 
and made sure my connections to the net were OK. Next I downloaded 
Postfix Enabler, ran it to set up and start Postfix, checked my 
addresses were working, then download Mailman 2.1.5, followed the 
regular install instructions, ran check_perms -f, linked the alias db 
to Postfix per the Postfix READ ME, fixed up httpd.conf, and fired up 
my lists. I still have to set MM as a startup application, but that's 
just laziness on my part. I used to run qmail with MM, but the Postfix 
set up was so easy I couldn't be bothered jumping through djb's hoops 
(that laziness factor again). 



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Fri Sep  3 05:39:25 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 12:39:25 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sequence Numbers
In-Reply-To: <OF72DCBB4E.BBA0E863-ON88256F04.0009B918@com>
References: <OF72DCBB4E.BBA0E863-ON88256F04.0009B918@com>
Message-ID: <4137E76D.9070106@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com wrote:

> I applied the patch found on 
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=601117&group_id=103&atid=300103
> 
> File: http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.5+patch.20040516.gz
> 
> that adds sequence numbers. I reconfigured, did make, make install (with 
> errors).

What was this error ?

> I'm using 2.1.5
> 
> Any idea why it's not working?
> 

 > Here's the error when i visit the mailman/listinfo page:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/home/tak/mailman/scripts/driver", line 61, in run_main
>     import paths
>   File "/home/tak/mailman/scripts/paths.py", line 55, in ?
>     import japanese
> ImportError: No module named japanese

Looks like the japanese package is not properly installed.
Find the <prefix>/pythonlib directory and check if the japanese
directory is there. You may have to check the "make install"
result by redirecting the output in a file and inspect the lines
before this error occurs.

% make install >& install.log
% more install.log

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/



From yorkb at nku.edu  Fri Sep  3 07:59:24 2004
From: yorkb at nku.edu (Brian York)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 01:59:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get list admin password
Message-ID: <200409030159.25088.yorkb@nku.edu>

Is there a way to get the admin password of a list from the console?

Thanks
Brian 


From teuku_hasbullah at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  1 06:21:13 2004
From: teuku_hasbullah at yahoo.com (teuku hasbullah)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:21:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error in posting message
Message-ID: <20040901042113.73412.qmail@web14825.mail.yahoo.com>

I use mailman 2.1.5, solaris 5.9 o/s, python 2.2 and sendmail for MTA
 
i have install mailman and have no problem in subscribe or unsubscribe member, but when i try to post message to one of milis, the members cann't receive a message. 
 
i have look to MTA log, like this :
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sep  1 09:37:05 telkomisc sendmail[26082]: [ID 801593 mail.info] i812b50P026082: from=uci, size=103, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=
<200409010237.i812b50P026082 at telkomisc.localdomain>, relay=uci at localhost
Sep  1 09:37:05 telkomisc sendmail[26083]: [ID 801593 mail.info] i812b5QD026083: from=<uci at telkomisc.localdomain>, size=361, c
lass=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200409010237.i812b50P026082 at telkomisc.localdomain>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.
0.0.1]
Sep  1 09:37:05 telkomisc sendmail[26082]: [ID 801593 mail.info] i812b50P026082: to=test at telkomisc.localdomain, ctladdr=uci (1
012/1), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30103, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (i812b5Q
D026083 Message accepted for delivery)
Sep  1 09:37:07 telkomisc sendmail[26084]: [ID 801593 mail.info] i812b5QD026083: to="|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post test", c
tladdr=<test at telkomisc.localdomain> (1/0), delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=prog, pri=30581, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
its seem oke, then i try to looking for other log in mailman, there is no error
can some body help me, please, a have try everything but still can'y post message
than's for help 

		
---------------------------------
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Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!

From jason at jpsalesinc.com  Thu Sep  2 09:41:12 2004
From: jason at jpsalesinc.com (Jason Paul)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:41:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List
Message-ID: <GKEHLLGLJPLNCLPPIIGBKEBACNAA.jason@jpsalesinc.com>

Is there any way I can get one list off all the members in a mailing list so
I can move them to another domain with a different list?
Thanks in advance!
Jason Paul
J.P. Enterprises
jason at jpsalesinc.com



From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Sep  3 09:33:52 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:33:52 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get list admin password
In-Reply-To: <200409030159.25088.yorkb@nku.edu>
References: <200409030159.25088.yorkb@nku.edu>
Message-ID: <9AC3847E-FD7B-11D8-87A4-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

On Sep 3, 2004, at 14:59, Brian York wrote:

> Is there a way to get the admin password of a list from the console?

No.  (Not without doing a brute force attack on the sha digest stored 
in the list object.  :-)

You can set it to something new (through the web interface using the 
site password, or from the console).

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com  Fri Sep  3 09:52:51 2004
From: Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com (Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 00:52:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sequence Numbers
Message-ID: <OF0E54DCD1.A245FB57-ON88256F04.002B3A27@com>

The error was:

Merging new template file with existing translations
msgmerge -U ca/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po mailman.pot
msgmerge: invalid option -- U
Try `msgmerge --help' for more information.
make[1]: *** [ca/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po] Error 1







Tokio Kikuchi <tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Sent by: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
09/02/2004 08:39 PM

 
        To:     Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com
        cc:     mailman-users at python.org
        Subject:        Re: [Mailman-Users] Sequence Numbers

Hi,

Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com wrote:

> I applied the patch found on 
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=601117&group_id=103&atid=300103
> 
> File: http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.5+patch.20040516.gz
> 
> that adds sequence numbers. I reconfigured, did make, make install (with 

> errors).

What was this error ?

> I'm using 2.1.5
> 
> Any idea why it's not working?
> 

 > Here's the error when i visit the mailman/listinfo page:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/home/tak/mailman/scripts/driver", line 61, in run_main
>     import paths
>   File "/home/tak/mailman/scripts/paths.py", line 55, in ?
>     import japanese
> ImportError: No module named japanese

Looks like the japanese package is not properly installed.
Find the <prefix>/pythonlib directory and check if the japanese
directory is there. You may have to check the "make install"
result by redirecting the output in a file and inspect the lines
before this error occurs.

% make install >& install.log
% more install.log

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/

------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/





From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Fri Sep  3 10:00:30 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 17:00:30 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sequence Numbers
In-Reply-To: <OF0E54DCD1.A245FB57-ON88256F04.002B3A27@com>
References: <OF0E54DCD1.A245FB57-ON88256F04.002B3A27@com>
Message-ID: <4138249E.4020801@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com wrote:

> The error was:
> 
> Merging new template file with existing translations
> msgmerge -U ca/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po mailman.pot
> msgmerge: invalid option -- U
> Try `msgmerge --help' for more information.
> make[1]: *** [ca/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po] Error 1
> 

Your installation stopped there? You may comment out the
msgmerge portion of the messages/Makefile and complete install.


-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/



From Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com  Fri Sep  3 10:24:08 2004
From: Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com (Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 01:24:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown user when posting to a list?
Message-ID: <OF1E6AA4B4.7819640E-ON88256F04.002DC0F7@com>

Hello,

I created a list and succesfully subscribed several e-mails (the welcome 
e-mail was received by them).
However, if someone tries to send to the list (test at thorie.com), they get 
an error message from the server saying that the user 'test' was not 
found.

Why is this?

Am I supposed to create a user account called 'test'?

Thanks in advance!
--Takahiro


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep  3 10:20:42 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:20:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] anonymous posting
In-Reply-To: <4137CB66.1000701@jeffpflueger.com>
References: <4137CB66.1000701@jeffpflueger.com>
Message-ID: <p060020cbbd5dd9ae10ad@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:39 PM -0700 2004-09-02, Jeff Pflueger wrote:

>  with the_anonymous_poster at hidden_url.com being whoever posted to the list.
>
>  Anyway to disable this and make it completely anonymous?

	You have to have something there, in order for the mail message 
to be legal.  Therefore, one particular anonymous string is not 
really any different from any other.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From lists at mathesonuk.com  Fri Sep  3 11:01:47 2004
From: lists at mathesonuk.com (lists at mathesonuk.com)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:01:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Error - "ImportError: No module named
	korean"
Message-ID: <4138410B.17139.3692AC@localhost>

Hi,

I am a new user trying to install Mailman for the first time and the 
'make install' routine is throwing up an error:

Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ...
Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ...
Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 46, in ?
    import paths
  File "bin/paths.py", line 59, in ?
    import korean
ImportError: No module named korean
make: *** [update] Error 1

Having looked at the archives this seems to be a previous problem, 
but should have been resolved?????

Also from the archives I have noted that 
/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/ is entirely empty.

My 'configure command is:
./configure --with-mail-gid=admin --with-cgi-gid=mailman
And this does not seem to throw up any errors.

I am installing the latest version - 2.1.5 - from the list.org 
website.

Python info:
Python 2.2.2 (#1, Mar 12 2004, 16:44:37)
[GCC 3.2.2 20030217 (Red Hat Linux 8.0 3.2.2-2)] on linux2

I am installing onto a Virtual Server hosted by DSVR in the UK.

Can anyone help??

With thanks,

Sandy Matheson


From bvo at atz.nl  Fri Sep  3 10:24:30 2004
From: bvo at atz.nl (B. van Ouwerkerk)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:24:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] modify Mailman HTML output
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040903094240.05114380@pop.atz-hosting.nl>

I've been trying to modify Mailman HTML output I got stuck at the 
confirmation page.

I have seen this question before on this list but it seems to go 
unanswered. Is there an elegant way to modify the HTML output of all pages 
to fit the look and feel of the web site where it's supposed to run?


TIA,


B.



From jwt at OnJapan.net  Fri Sep  3 13:15:08 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 20:15:08 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown user when posting to a list?
In-Reply-To: <OF1E6AA4B4.7819640E-ON88256F04.002DC0F7@com>
References: <OF1E6AA4B4.7819640E-ON88256F04.002DC0F7@com>
Message-ID: <20040903111508.GE19817@server.onjapan.net>

On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 01:24:08AM -0700, Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com wrote:
> However, if someone tries to send to the list (test at thorie.com), they get 
> an error message from the server saying that the user 'test' was not 
> found.

You haven't created the aliases shown when ran the 'newlist'
command to make a list.

Or, if you are using one of the mail server configurations that
automatically determine the presence of your mailing lists, you
haven't properly configured your mail server.  Read the
README.xxx file where xxx is your mailserver.  (Also read
the INSTALL document.)

> Am I supposed to create a user account called 'test'?

No.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep  3 16:35:30 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:35:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <GKEHLLGLJPLNCLPPIIGBKEBACNAA.jason@jpsalesinc.com>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409030735300375a9a5efb5@msapiro>

Jason Paul wrote:

>Is there any way I can get one list off all the members in a mailing list so
>I can move them to another domain with a different list?

  $prefix/bin/list_members

If you don't have access to command line tools try

  http://mailman.host.domain/mailman/roster/listname

with the obvious substitutions for your host and list name.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From MHurley at law.uconn.edu  Fri Sep  3 19:29:55 2004
From: MHurley at law.uconn.edu (Hurley, Michael)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:29:55 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages stuck in qfiles
Message-ID: <AD8D39C727CBD411BB2C0090273A72740CBF1AA4@mortimer.law.uconn.edu>

I'm experiencing some odd behavior with Mailman. All was working fine or so
I thought. I maintain >180 lists and >1000 subscribers.

The system:
SuSE Linux Standard Server 8
Sendmail 8.12.6-159
Mailman 2.0.14-18 (yes, I know it's old, it's what SuSE likes)

The symptoms:
Sendmail passes incoming messages off to the Mailman wrapper, which does
nothing with them. They are piling up (.msg and .db files) in the
~mailman/qfiles dir. There are about three days worth in there. 

Anybody know what is up? The qrunner cronjob seems to be running normally, I
can't remember making any changes that would have affected mailman
operations around 3 days ago. 

Alternately, is there a way I can flush these messages out manually so they
don't back up too far?

Thanks


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From jrush at scout.wisc.edu  Fri Sep  3 20:15:50 2004
From: jrush at scout.wisc.edu (Justin Rush)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:15:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating an alternate UI to mailman
Message-ID: <20040903181550.GA31585@fromage.scout.wisc.edu>

Hi,
	I am trying to create a different UI to the mailman interface that meshes better with the current theme of our site.  I had planned on just creating a few php pages that access the various mailman binaries, mainly just to offer a different interface to the subscription page, ie. allow users to sign up for multiple mailing lists at once.  I found the subscribe binary, which works fine and even sends a welcome message out after subscribing a user.  However, it does not send out a confirmation email, which is quite esscential.  Has anyone found a way around this?

Thanks in advance for any input,
Justin Rush
jrush at scout.wisc.edu


From MHurley at law.uconn.edu  Fri Sep  3 20:46:57 2004
From: MHurley at law.uconn.edu (Hurley, Michael)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:46:57 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages stuck in qfiles
Message-ID: <AD8D39C727CBD411BB2C0090273A72740CBF1AA7@mortimer.law.uconn.edu>

Hey, I found some more info on my problem, but haven't cracked the case yet:

in ~mailman/logs/error, since Aug 31 qrunner has been choking as follows:

Aug 31 16:18:01 2004 qrunner(11238): Traceback (most recent call last):
Aug 31 16:18:01 2004 qrunner(11238):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 283, in ?
Aug 31 16:18:01 2004 qrunner(11238):      kids = main(lock)
Aug 31 16:18:01 2004 qrunner(11238):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 253, in main
Aug 31 16:18:01 2004 qrunner(11238):      keepqueued =
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Aug 31 16:18:01 2004 qrunner(11238):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 157, in dispose_message
Aug 31 16:18:01 2004 qrunner(11238):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
Aug 31 16:18:01 2004 qrunner(11238):   File
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 163, in
ParseMailCommands
Aug 31 16:18:01 2004 qrunner(11238):      splitsubj = string.split(subject)
Aug 31 16:18:01 2004 qrunner(11238):   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/string.py",
line 117, in split
Aug 31 16:18:01 2004 qrunner(11238):      return s.split(sep, maxsplit)
Aug 31 16:18:01 2004 qrunner(11238): AttributeError :  'NoneType' object has
no attribute 'split' 

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hurley, Michael [mailto:MHurley at law.uconn.edu]
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 1:30 PM
> To: 'mailman-users at python.org'
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages stuck in qfiles
> 
> 
> I'm experiencing some odd behavior with Mailman. All was 
> working fine or so
> I thought. I maintain >180 lists and >1000 subscribers.
> 
> The system:
> SuSE Linux Standard Server 8
> Sendmail 8.12.6-159
> Mailman 2.0.14-18 (yes, I know it's old, it's what SuSE likes)
> 
> The symptoms:
> Sendmail passes incoming messages off to the Mailman wrapper, 
> which does
> nothing with them. They are piling up (.msg and .db files) in the
> ~mailman/qfiles dir. There are about three days worth in there. 
> 
> Anybody know what is up? The qrunner cronjob seems to be 
> running normally, I
> can't remember making any changes that would have affected mailman
> operations around 3 days ago. 
> 
> Alternately, is there a way I can flush these messages out 
> manually so they
> don't back up too far?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> /***************************************     .-"""-.
> Michael Hurley                              '       \ 
> Webmaster/SysAdmin                         |,.  ,-.  |
> University of Connecticut School of Law    |()L( ()| |
> mhurley at law.uconn.edu                      |,'  `".| |
> (860) 570-5233                             |.___.',| `
> ***************************************/  .j `--"' `  `.
>                                          / '        '   \
>                                         / /          `   `.
>                                        / /            `    .
>                                       / /              l   |
>                                      . ,               |   |
>                                      ,"`.             .|   |
>                                   _.'   ``.          | `..-'l
>                                  |       `.`,        |      `.
>                                  |         `.    __.j         )
>                                  |__        |--""___|      ,-'
>                                     `"--...,+""""   `._,.-' mh
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Searchable Archives: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/


From jra at febo.com  Fri Sep  3 21:47:08 2004
From: jra at febo.com (John R. Ackermann N8UR)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 15:47:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Determining why a message is discarded?
Message-ID: <4138CA3C.5040207@febo.com>

I have a user whose postings to one of my lists are being discarded.  By 
all indications, they should go through -- the are from a subscribed 
address, mail isn't being held for bounces, etc.

I've changed all the list settings from "discard" to "reject" yet his 
most recent message still shows up in /var/log/mailman/vette as discarded.

Any clues on what might be causing this, or on how to further dig into 
the problem?  The discarded messages don't seem to leave any suspicious 
traces in the other mailman logs.  (FWIW, I recently upgraded from 2.1.4 
to 2.1.5; the Debian upgrade script reported that everything converted 
over without problems.)

Thanks,

John


From psiegel at binkystick.com  Fri Sep  3 23:09:52 2004
From: psiegel at binkystick.com (Paul Siegel)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 17:09:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Archives
Message-ID: <4138DDA0.4030505@binkystick.com>

Hi -

I'm running mailman 2.1.2 on Mandrake 9.2.  I copied my lists over from 
another server, and I think I must've missed something when I did so. 
The lists are all working fine, except no new messages are being added 
to the archives.  They just end at the date on which I moved the lists.

Now, if I run the bin/arch command on a list, it does update the 
archives to the current date.  However the archives remain stuck at that 
date until I go and manually run that command again.

Anyone know how I can fix this?

Thanks.

Paul


From kclair at serve.com  Fri Sep  3 23:02:18 2004
From: kclair at serve.com (K. Clair)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:02:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricting configuration option
Message-ID: <20040903210218.GJ2907@karl.serve.com>

Hello,

Is there a relatively easy way to remove configuration options from 
the administrative interface for all lists?  I know that I can set
defaults, but what if I don't want list administrators to be able to
change them?

Thanks,
Kristina


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep  3 23:26:52 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:26:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Archives
In-Reply-To: <4138DDA0.4030505@binkystick.com>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409031426520750c899e1e2@msapiro>

Paul Siegel wrote:
>
>I'm running mailman 2.1.2 on Mandrake 9.2.  I copied my lists over from 
>another server, and I think I must've missed something when I did so. 
>The lists are all working fine, except no new messages are being added 
>to the archives.  They just end at the date on which I moved the lists.
>
>Now, if I run the bin/arch command on a list, it does update the 
>archives to the current date.  However the archives remain stuck at that 
>date until I go and manually run that command again.
>
>Anyone know how I can fix this?

This sounds a lot like a problem discussed last week. See the thread
beginning at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-August/038917.html
Suggestions were to run bin/check-perms and bin/arch with the --wipe
option. It was apparently fixed by the latter.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep  3 23:51:24 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 23:51:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricting configuration option
In-Reply-To: <20040903210218.GJ2907@karl.serve.com>
References: <20040903210218.GJ2907@karl.serve.com>
Message-ID: <p060020cfbd5e9762ddd0@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:02 PM -0700 2004-09-03, K. Clair wrote:

>  Is there a relatively easy way to remove configuration options from
>  the administrative interface for all lists?  I know that I can set
>  defaults, but what if I don't want list administrators to be able to
>  change them?

	Not really.  There are certain things (like personalization) that 
a site admin can prevent list owners from seeing, and you can set 
lots of defaults, but that's about it.

	There's no convenient way to go through and have the site admin 
to go through each and every option in the package and say "yes, I 
want them to see this option, no I don't want them to see those, yes 
this other one is okay, etc...."

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From jwt at OnJapan.net  Sat Sep  4 02:15:47 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:15:47 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <PC1715200409030735300375a9a5efb5@msapiro>
References: <GKEHLLGLJPLNCLPPIIGBKEBACNAA.jason@jpsalesinc.com>
	<PC1715200409030735300375a9a5efb5@msapiro>
Message-ID: <20040904001547.GD26572@server.onjapan.net>

On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 07:35:30AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Jason Paul wrote:
> >Is there any way I can get one list off all the members in a mailing list so
> >I can move them to another domain with a different list?
> 
>   $prefix/bin/list_members
> 
> If you don't have access to command line tools try
> 
>   http://mailman.host.domain/mailman/roster/listname
> 
> with the obvious substitutions for your host and list name.

(The disadvantage with that method is that members can choose
to 'hide' their membership from that list.)

Another option that may be available (depending upon how your
list is configured) is to mail the 'who' command to the
listname-request address.

And yet another option that should be used only when all else
fails is to use Python running on a local machine to script
visiting all of the web pages of the membership management
administrative interface and build the list.
 <http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#throughtheweb>

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From jwt at onjapan.net  Sat Sep  4 02:30:46 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:30:46 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating an alternate UI to mailman
In-Reply-To: <20040903181550.GA31585@fromage.scout.wisc.edu>
References: <20040903181550.GA31585@fromage.scout.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <A99E8288-FE09-11D8-94AB-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

On Sep 4, 2004, at 03:15, Justin Rush wrote:

> 	I am trying to create a different UI to the mailman interface that 
> meshes better with the current theme of our site.  I had planned on 
> just creating a few php pages that access the various mailman 
> binaries, mainly just to offer a different interface to the 
> subscription page, ie. allow users to sign up for multiple mailing 
> lists at once.  I found the subscribe binary, which works fine and 
> even sends a welcome message out after subscribing a user.  However, 
> it does not send out a confirmation email, which is quite esscential.  
> Has anyone found a way around this?

If you are trying to avoid writing any new Python, one trick might be 
to have the PHP page "submit" the original Mailman form rather than 
trying to call a binary directly.  The PHP script could wait for the 
Mailman return page and then create its own results page that is shown 
to the end user.

The cleaner method is probably to write a small Python program that 
uses the InviteNewMember() method of the mailing list.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From jwt at onjapan.net  Sat Sep  4 03:09:55 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:09:55 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricting configuration option
In-Reply-To: <20040903210218.GJ2907@karl.serve.com>
References: <20040903210218.GJ2907@karl.serve.com>
Message-ID: <21DEB974-FE0F-11D8-94AB-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

On Sep 4, 2004, at 06:02, K. Clair wrote:

> Is there a relatively easy way to remove configuration options from
> the administrative interface for all lists?  I know that I can set
> defaults, but what if I don't want list administrators to be able to
> change them?

As Brad pointed out, you can't enable/disable each of the configuration 
options on a one-by-one basis.

You can eliminate entire 'categories' from appearing in the 
administrative interface by copying the ADMIN_CATEGORIES list from 
Defaults.py into your mm_cfg.py and deleting the categories that you 
don't want your list administrators to see.  That's an easy way to get 
rid of the Mail<>News Gateway page for example if it is not relevant to 
your installation.  (It wouldn't prevent the clever/devious 
administrator from changing the values, but it removes the temptation 
to 'tweak' by pointing and clicking.)


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From bescher at rsegroup.com  Sat Sep  4 15:45:58 2004
From: bescher at rsegroup.com (Bob Escher)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:45:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments
Message-ID: <005001c49285$83d24e00$43c12145@rsegroup.com>

Good Morning all

How do I allow attachments and html
to be allowed through?
Last week we had a list member send pdf
and they did get through.

Or if someone does a nice document in Word
with graphics how can it be allowed to go through
with everything intact


Thanks
Bob Escher



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep  4 17:04:01 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:04:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments
In-Reply-To: <005001c49285$83d24e00$43c12145@rsegroup.com>
Message-ID: <PC17152004090408040103906c05afa7@msapiro>

Bob Escher wrote:
>
>How do I allow attachments and html
>to be allowed through?
>Last week we had a list member send pdf
>and they did get through.
>
>Or if someone does a nice document in Word
>with graphics how can it be allowed to go through
>with everything intact
>

I suggest you look at
  http://www.expita.com/nomime.html
  http://www.birdhouse.org/etc/evilmail.html and
  http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

These documents point out among other things that not everyone has the
same software, not everyone wants or is able to read arbitrary
attachments, and MS-Word is a particularly bad choice of format to use
to exchange formatted text.

If you still want to allow MS-Word and other attachments on your list,
recognize that the two reasons they don't go through are maximum
message size and content filtering. Your max message size must be
sufficient to accept the messages you want. Since most attachments
will be base64 encoded and base64 encoding requires a little more than
4 message bytes to represent each 3 bytes of the attachment, your max
message size needs to be about 1.4 times the size of the largest
attachment you expect plus enough extra to allow for the headers, text
and possibly HTML that goes with it.

Then you either have to be sure content filtering is off or adjusted to
accept the content-types you want to allow.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From ramdak5000 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  4 19:47:48 2004
From: ramdak5000 at yahoo.com (Ram Dak)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:47:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments
In-Reply-To: <005001c49285$83d24e00$43c12145@rsegroup.com>
Message-ID: <20040904174748.40329.qmail@web50808.mail.yahoo.com>

Here is how I did it (and, for the perfectly sensible
reason of allowing list members to share important
documents with each other, since I use it as a
discussion group) after much trial and error and
frustration:

Log in, click on 'Content Filtering' and set the
options to the following values:

1.) Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic
according to the settings below? (Should be set to
'No')
2.) Remove message attachments that have a matching
content type. (Delete any content types you see here.
In other words, this text area should be blank)
3.) Similarly delete any content types from next text 
area
4.) Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain
text? This conversion happens after MIME attachments
have been stripped. (Should be set to 'No')
5.) Action to take when a message matches the content
filtering rules. (Set this to 'Preserve')

Click on 'Submit changes' and send out a test mail
with attachments in diff. document formats such as doc
and pdf

For me, the attachments did not go through until I set
No.5 above to 'Preserve', although I had deleted all
the content types from the earlier fields. 

Ramdak



--- Bob Escher <bescher at rsegroup.com> wrote:

> Good Morning all
> 
> How do I allow attachments and html
> to be allowed through?
> Last week we had a list member send pdf
> and they did get through.
> 
> Or if someone does a nice document in Word
> with graphics how can it be allowed to go through
> with everything intact
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Bob Escher
> 
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From ramdak5000 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  4 19:53:08 2004
From: ramdak5000 at yahoo.com (Ram Dak)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:53:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments
In-Reply-To: <005001c49285$83d24e00$43c12145@rsegroup.com>
Message-ID: <20040904175308.20727.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com>

It is strange, but perhaps the first option under
'Content Filtering' should be set to 'Yes' rather than
'No'.

I say strange because, as I mentioned in my previous
mail, the attachemnts did not go through earlier
although I had deleted all the content types, and I
had set the first option to 'yes', but left option 5
at 'discard'

A little bit of experimentation might clear this up
for you although mine is still to 'No' for option 1
and my atttachments are going through fine.

Ramdak

--- Bob Escher <bescher at rsegroup.com> wrote:

> Good Morning all
> 
> How do I allow attachments and html
> to be allowed through?
> Last week we had a list member send pdf
> and they did get through.
> 
> Or if someone does a nice document in Word
> with graphics how can it be allowed to go through
> with everything intact
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Bob Escher
> 
>
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
>
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
>
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> 



		
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From tomcat at downtownhost.com  Sat Sep  4 20:00:50 2004
From: tomcat at downtownhost.com (tomcat at downtownhost.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 15:00:50 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting/Importing users
Message-ID: <622249987.20040904150050@downtownhost.com>


  Hi to all

  I have a customer who'll move from another host to mine, the problem
  is, that this customer does not have SSH access on the old host, nor
  cron, and have finished the relationship with the old host in bad
  terms... still he have access to his mailman, I would like to ask if
  there's any way where he can move the mailman user list and setting
  not having access to the configuration files.

  Thanks in advance.

-- 
Best regards,




From fredimac at oaklandish.com  Sat Sep  4 20:17:23 2004
From: fredimac at oaklandish.com (fredimac)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 11:17:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup user list
Message-ID: <20040904181718.109EA3984E1@zoidberg.tigertech.net>

Greetings,

Is there a way to backup the user list in Mailman?  

Thanks
Fred

Fred Macondray
www.oaklandish.com



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sat Sep  4 20:26:24 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 20:26:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting/Importing users
In-Reply-To: <622249987.20040904150050@downtownhost.com>
References: <622249987.20040904150050@downtownhost.com>
Message-ID: <p060020d0bd5fb8759e9b@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:00 PM -0300 2004-09-04, tomcat at downtownhost.com wrote:

>    I have a customer who'll move from another host to mine, the problem
>    is, that this customer does not have SSH access on the old host, nor
>    cron, and have finished the relationship with the old host in bad
>    terms... still he have access to his mailman, I would like to ask if
>    there's any way where he can move the mailman user list and setting
>    not having access to the configuration files.

	Well, if you don't have access to the machine anymore, then odds 
are you would be considered to be hacking into the machine and 
violating any of a number of different laws by "stealing" the user 
list.  You should seriously consider industrial espionage and theft 
laws, and the potential consequences before, proceeding down this 
path.


	That said, you're limited to listing the users via the web 
interface, or sending the "who" command to the administrative 
interface which is available to all subscribers (unless that feature 
was disabled).  If you have a lot of users and you use the web 
interface, then you will be limited to the number of users you can 
see per page.

	There are no other export options that are available.

-- 
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temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sat Sep  4 21:01:01 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 21:01:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup user list
In-Reply-To: <20040904181718.109EA3984E1@zoidberg.tigertech.net>
References: <20040904181718.109EA3984E1@zoidberg.tigertech.net>
Message-ID: <p060020d2bd5fc15cb4aa@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:17 AM -0700 2004-09-04, fredimac wrote:

>  Is there a way to backup the user list in Mailman?

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp>.

	Try list_members.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep  4 21:03:51 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:03:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments
In-Reply-To: <20040904175308.20727.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409041203510296b8cdadbb@msapiro>

Ram Dak wrote:

>It is strange, but perhaps the first option under
>'Content Filtering' should be set to 'Yes' rather than
>'No'.

If filter_content is set to "no", there should be no filtering of
content and all MIME parts should be passed regardless of type.

>I say strange because, as I mentioned in my previous
>mail, the attachemnts did not go through earlier
>although I had deleted all the content types, and I
>had set the first option to 'yes', but left option 5
>at 'discard'

If filter_content is "yes" and pass_mime_types are defined, no parts
which don't match a pass_mime_type will pass the filter. If
pass_mime_types is empty, then that test is skipped and everything
should be passed through except any types deleted by the
filter_mime_types filter. I have tested this and it works for me with
Mailman 2.1.4. I don't know why it apparently doesn't work for you.
Perhaps pass_mime_types wasn't truly empty. Maybe it contained a blank
line or some such.

>A little bit of experimentation might clear this up
>for you although mine is still to 'No' for option 1
>and my atttachments are going through fine.

As I said above, if filter_content is set to "no", there should be no
filtering of content and all MIME parts should be passed regardless of
type as is happening in your case. Filter_action should be irrelevant
in this case.

If filter_content is set to "yes", then you should define
pass_mime_types to allow those types you want. You must allow not only
those types you want such as text/plain, application/pdf, but also
"higher level" types that might contain those types as sub parts, e.g.
multipart/mixed, etc. If you want to allow everything, just set
filter_content to "no" and don't worry about the rest.

Finally note the following quote from the Content Filtering page.
"After this initial filtering, any multipart  attachments that are
empty are removed. If the outer message is left empty after this
filtering, then the whole message is discarded. Then, each
multipart/alternative section will be replaced by just the first
alternative that is non-empty after filtering."

This last sentence means that if filter_content is set to "yes", even
if you are allowing multipart/alternative, text/plain and text/html,
only the text/plain part of a multipart/alternative message will be
delivered to the list.

--
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San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From mark at pdc-racing.net  Sat Sep  4 21:12:39 2004
From: mark at pdc-racing.net (Mark Dadgar)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:12:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup user list
In-Reply-To: <p060020d2bd5fc15cb4aa@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <20040904181718.109EA3984E1@zoidberg.tigertech.net>
	<p060020d2bd5fc15cb4aa@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <63448F7D-FEA6-11D8-BA82-000A95DA10EE@pdc-racing.net>

On Sep 4, 2004, at 12:01 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 11:17 AM -0700 2004-09-04, fredimac wrote:
>
>>  Is there a way to backup the user list in Mailman?
>
> 	See  
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? 
> req=show&file=faq04.009.htp>.
>
> 	Try list_members.

That is, unfortunately, only a partial solution as list_members has no  
way of including the subscriber's list options.

This would be a good enhancement for MM3, although if MM3 has a  
heavier-duty datastore, this problem may solve itself.

- Mark
-----
mark at pdc-racing.net



From jwt at OnJapan.net  Sun Sep  5 02:15:11 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:15:11 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting/Importing users
In-Reply-To: <622249987.20040904150050@downtownhost.com>
References: <622249987.20040904150050@downtownhost.com>
Message-ID: <20040905001510.GF29860@server.onjapan.net>

On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 03:00:50PM -0300, tomcat at downtownhost.com wrote:
>   I have a customer who'll move from another host to mine, the problem
>   is, that this customer does not have SSH access on the old host, nor
>   cron, and have finished the relationship with the old host in bad
>   terms... still he have access to his mailman, I would like to ask if
>   there's any way where he can move the mailman user list and setting
>   not having access to the configuration files.

You can get the subscriber list by scripting the web interface
(having the script visit all of the pages of the Membership
Management admin interface).  An example of this approach is
available at:
  http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#throughtheweb
You will probably want to extend that example to also record
each member's options (like digest mode, hide, etc.).

You could also script something that copied all of the settings
from one host's web interface to another... but it is probably
easier to do this by hand unless you have a lot lists to
configure.

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From lists at webvivant.com  Sun Sep  5 12:16:56 2004
From: lists at webvivant.com (Steve Mansfield)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:16:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman with dial-up Internet access
Message-ID: <200409051216.56746.lists@webvivant.com>

I understand that it's perfectly possible to use mailman on a server that
has only dial-up access to the Internet. However, I'd like to get a firm
grasp of the downsides of doing this before I go to the effort of
installing it.

My setup is this: Linux box running Fetchmail, Postfix, Procmail, Qpopper,
Apache. This sits on a LAN and access the net through an ISDN router. My
plan was to have list messages go to a POP server at my hosting provided
from where I would download them with Fetchmail, which would then forward
them to user 'mailman' on this server. Any problem with that?

Now, obviously I'm going to lose the web-based features for users, so it's
going to be an email-only system. What I'd like to know is how much of a
loss that would really be. I can get a list of the features I'd be missing
from the manuals etc - what I really want to know is how important people
feel this is - ie, a subjective response. Am I really crippling the system
this way (and would therefore be better off opening a group on Yahoo), or
would I be losing only moderately useful features? All informed opinions
would be gratefully received.

-- 
@+
Steve



From mailman-users at think.co.za  Sun Sep  5 12:41:15 2004
From: mailman-users at think.co.za (Hilton J Ralphs)
Date: Sun,  5 Sep 2004 12:41:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman with dial-up Internet access
In-Reply-To: <200409051216.56746.lists@webvivant.com>
References: <200409051216.56746.lists@webvivant.com>
Message-ID: <1094380875.413aed4b376b5@email.think.co.za>

Quoting Steve Mansfield <lists at webvivant.com>:

> My setup is this: Linux box running Fetchmail, Postfix, Procmail, Qpopper,
 Apache. This sits on a LAN and access the net through an ISDN router. My
 plan was to have list messages go to a POP server at my hosting provided
 from where I would download them with Fetchmail, which would then forward
> them to user 'mailman' on this server. Any problem with that?
 
Certainly not, works like a charm.

> Now, obviously I'm going to lose the web-based features for users, so it's
 going to be an email-only system. What I'd like to know is how much of a
 loss that would really be. I can get a list of the features I'd be missing
 from the manuals etc - what I really want to know is how important people
 feel this is - ie, a subjective response. Am I really crippling the system
 this way (and would therefore be better off opening a group on Yahoo), or
 would I be losing only moderately useful features? All informed opinions
> would be gratefully received.
 
At the end of the day it depands on various factors;

a. what do you intend to use the list for? one way distribution list or 
interactive like this one?

b. if interactive, then the question is whether it is a closed list or open to 
anyone who wants to join. Closed shouldn't be a problem, subscribe everyone 
upfront and then it's no problem. Public list needs to be advertised somewhere.

c. hosting the list via dialup means that the response time between posting an 
email and getting the mail will obviously be longer and may cause frustrations.

Good luck.

-- 
Regards
Hilton


From lists at webvivant.com  Sun Sep  5 14:18:06 2004
From: lists at webvivant.com (Steve Mansfield)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:18:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman with dial-up Internet access
In-Reply-To: <1094380875.413aed4b376b5@email.think.co.za>
References: <200409051216.56746.lists@webvivant.com>
	<1094380875.413aed4b376b5@email.think.co.za>
Message-ID: <200409051418.06763.lists@webvivant.com>

-------------------
On Sunday 05 September 2004 12:41, Hilton J Ralphs wrote:
| a. what do you intend to use the list for? one way distribution list or
| interactive like this one?

Interactive. I'm considering mailman for a couple of lists - one new, one 
already hosted on yahoogroups (but I don't like the advertising and scruffy 
HTML that comes with yahoo). One reason for considering mailman is greater 
ownership and access to the message archive, with the possibility to use it 
for web content, but in a format of my choosing.

| b. if interactive, then the question is whether it is a closed list or open
| to anyone who wants to join. Closed shouldn't be a problem, subscribe
| everyone upfront and then it's no problem. Public list needs to be
| advertised somewhere.

It's effectively an open list, but in one case supporting an existing web site 
where I can advertise it and provide an online form for people to subscribe. 
(I could do this for the new list, too). Maybe it wouldn't be too hard to 
replicate some of mailman's web features account management features on that 
site (I have some PHP experience).

| c. hosting the list via dialup means that the response time between posting
| an email and getting the mail will obviously be longer and may cause
| frustrations.

My set-up does fetchmail and sendmail every 30 mins, so shouldn't be too bad, 
if not exactly instantaneous.

Thanks for the input.

-- 
@+
Steve



From jelly+mailman-users-via-gmane at srk.fer.hr  Sun Sep  5 17:05:58 2004
From: jelly+mailman-users-via-gmane at srk.fer.hr (Zoran Dzelajlija)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 17:05:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Uncaught runner exception: unknown encoding
References: <20040902082040.73b1f257@osage.osagesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <20040905150558.43AE.0.NOFFLE@islands.iskon.hr>

David Relson <relson at osagesoftware.com> wrote:
> Greetings,

> FWIW, I've checked email/Charsets.py and it does have a gb2312 entry

If you look carefully, you can see there's a typo in that file, line 109,
where it says "gb2132" not "gb2312".  If you fix that, you then get

Uncaught runner exception: unknown encoding: eucgb2312_cn 

which is admittedly not much better. :-)

I for myself don't care as we have no Chinese lists on my installation, so I
did not bother with installing the additional codecs.  I just assume it's
all spam, and delete the shunted messages in gb2312 every now and then.

Regards,
Zoran

> I'm running mailman-2.1.5 on Mandrake 10.0 on Intel with kernel-2.4.22. 
> Any other info needed??



From desi6n at myway.com  Sun Sep  5 17:12:46 2004
From: desi6n at myway.com (desi6n)
Date: Sun,  5 Sep 2004 11:12:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove footer and attachment
Message-ID: <20040905151246.841E63985@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 When my client send a newsletter it shows up with an attachment paperclip beside it and he does not want the footer that appears at the bottom of the newsletter  - any way to fix this? Thanks! This is the footer example: Mailman-Users mailing listMailman-Users at python.orghttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-usersMailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.pySearchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

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From msapiro at value.net  Sun Sep  5 17:31:27 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 08:31:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove footer and attachment
In-Reply-To: <20040905151246.841E63985@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409050831270671f87118ba@msapiro>

desi6n wrote:

> When my client send a newsletter it shows up with an attachment paperclip beside it and he does not want the footer that appears at the bottom of the newsletter  - any way to fix this? Thanks! This is the footer example: Mailman-Users mailing listMailman-Users at python.orghttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-usersMailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.pySearchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>

Visit the FAQ wizard at the location indicated in the above footer
example (Mailman FAQ:) and read article 4.39

--
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San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From relson at osagesoftware.com  Sun Sep  5 17:36:22 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:36:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Uncaught runner exception: unknown encoding
In-Reply-To: <20040905150558.43AE.0.NOFFLE@islands.iskon.hr>
References: <20040902082040.73b1f257@osage.osagesoftware.com>
	<20040905150558.43AE.0.NOFFLE@islands.iskon.hr>
Message-ID: <20040905113622.1018a4bc@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 17:05:58 +0200
Zoran Dzelajlija wrote:

> David Relson <relson at osagesoftware.com> wrote:
> > Greetings,
> 
> > FWIW, I've checked email/Charsets.py and it does have a gb2312 entry
> 
> If you look carefully, you can see there's a typo in that file, line
> 109, where it says "gb2132" not "gb2312".  

Good eye!  CHARSETS has gb2312, while CODEC_MAPS has gb2132.  All looked
good as I only saw the first one.

> If you fix that, you then get
> 
> Uncaught runner exception: unknown encoding: eucgb2312_cn 
> 
> which is admittedly not much better. :-)

Agreed.  I've had qrunner stop running a couple of times, which brings
my mailing lists to a crashing halt.  I've been looking at the error log
for hints about what's wrong.  Whatever can be done to make qrunner more
reliable is a plus!

> I for myself don't care as we have no Chinese lists on my
> installation, so I did not bother with installing the additional
> codecs.  I just assume it's all spam, and delete the shunted messages
> in gb2312 every now and then.

I don't have any asian languages either.  I'm tempted to try spam
filtering the incoming messages.  However since the lists are for a spam
filter (bogofilter), incoming messages can say "look at this spammy
message".  

Of course, spam filtering for non-subscribers would be ideal.  I just
need to figure out where to do it.

Regards,

David


From relson at osagesoftware.com  Sun Sep  5 17:59:55 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:59:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [PATCH] Charset.py
Message-ID: <20040905115955.52c62b4b@osage.osagesoftware.com>

Fix typo.

--- mailman-2.1.5/misc/email-2.5.5/email/Charset.py.orig	2004-09-05 11:37:31.984281632 -0400
+++ mailman-2.1.5/misc/email-2.5.5/email/Charset.py	2004-09-05 11:37:39.941072016 -0400
@@ -106,7 +106,7 @@
     'ks_c_5601-1987': 'korean.cp949',
     'iso-2022-kr': 'korean.iso-2022-kr',
     'johab':       'korean.johab',
-    'gb2132':      'eucgb2312_cn',
+    'gb2312':      'eucgb2312_cn',
     'big5':        'big5_tw',
     'utf-8':       'utf-8',
     # Hack: We don't want *any* conversion for stuff marked us-ascii,
as all



From info at valholler.com  Fri Sep  3 20:26:52 2004
From: info at valholler.com (Info VH)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:26:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Back-up question
Message-ID: <D3BDF2FC-FDD6-11D8-B78A-0003935A5C9A@valholler.com>


How can I back up and/or transfer the members of my Mailman list?

Thanks,

Chris Knudson
Houston, TX



From crichton at montcocher.com  Thu Sep  2 11:59:23 2004
From: crichton at montcocher.com (The Admirable Crichton)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:59:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman with dial-up Internet access
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0409021152020.5864@crichton.local>

I understand that it's perfectly possible to use mailman on a server that
has only dial-up access to the Internet. However, I'd like to get a firm
grasp of the downsides of doing this before I go to the effort of
installing it.

My setup is this: Linux box running Fetchmail, Postfix, Procmail, Qpopper,
Apache. This sits on a LAN and access the net through an ISDN router. My
plan was to have list messages go to a POP server at my hosting provided
from where I would download them with Fetchmail, which would then forward
them to user 'mailman' on this server. Any problem with that?

Now, obviously I'm going to lose the web-based features for users, so it's
going to be an email-only system. What I'd like to know is how much of a
loss that would really be. I can get a list of the features I'd be missing
from the manuals etc - what I really want to know is how important people
feel this is - ie, a subjective response. Am I really crippling the system
this way (and would therefore be better off opening a group on Yahoo), or
would I be losing only moderately useful features? All informed opinions
would be gratefully received.


-- 
The Admirable Crichton
    "Born to serve . . ."



From usbenedetta at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  3 17:34:10 2004
From: usbenedetta at yahoo.com (Benedetta Manocchio)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:34:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list sends multiple copies of itself
Message-ID: <20040903153410.89177.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com>

Ooops. I created a mailing list, but when I send a test email to the mailing list, multiple copies arrive in the inboxes. What did I do wrong? How do I correct this?
Thanks,
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From nkotz at appl.org  Fri Sep  3 21:53:01 2004
From: nkotz at appl.org (Nancy Kotz)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:53:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unauthorized Access to APPL Mailing list
Message-ID: <OJECKHGFGIIJNKNDEALCEEEOFPAA.nkotz@appl.org>

Hello -

APPL uses Jaguar PC as our web host and we have 2 mailing lists set up
through their service. We use 1 of those mailing list for our electronic
newsletter. When the newsletter went out today I received a call that when
it was forward to several other people by one of our subscribers those that
received the forward also received an unauthorized attachment that was
pornographic in nature.

Needless to say we are very upset by this incident. I did notice that on the
public html page when I chose to view the mailing lists for APPL.ORG, there
was an unauthorized list and none of our real lists were there. That
unauthorized list is
Immagina_percorsiumanisti.net. When I clicked on that list the public html
was all in Spanish. Fortunately, when I did the same thing from the password
protected administrative page, our real mailing lists were there.

Your immediate attention to this matter is greatly appreciated. Please do
not hesitate to contact me should you have any questions or need additional
information.


Nancy C. Kotz
Member Services Coordinator
Association of Partners for Public Lands
Strengthening Public Land Partnerships
nkotz at appl.org or appl at appl.org
Phone: 301-946-9475, extension 24; FAX: 301-946-9478

See you in Portland, Oregon!
Portland Pathways 2005, March 6-10th
http://www.appl.org/conventions.html



From rgant at stx.rr.com  Sat Sep  4 22:15:29 2004
From: rgant at stx.rr.com (Fr. Richard W. Gant, S.T.D., J.U.L.)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 15:15:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and HTML
Message-ID: <005a01c492bb$ecd26e90$887af318@SocietyOurLady>

I am using Mailman 2.1.4 thru Verio, Inc., my ISP.
When I send html, people write that they don't get
a text message.  Below is a sample from my Catholic
News archives.  Does Mailman support html?  Or
do I have to send everything plain text?
Fr. Richard Gant
www.solt3.org



Fr. Richard W. Gant, S.T.D., J.U.L. rgant at stx.rr.com 
Sat Sep 4 00:13:50 GMT 2004 

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From msapiro at value.net  Sun Sep  5 18:33:26 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:33:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unauthorized Access to APPL Mailing list
In-Reply-To: <OJECKHGFGIIJNKNDEALCEEEOFPAA.nkotz@appl.org>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409050933260875d70e0e65@msapiro>

Nancy Kotz wrote:
>
>APPL uses Jaguar PC as our web host and we have 2 mailing lists set up
>through their service. We use 1 of those mailing list for our electronic
>newsletter. When the newsletter went out today I received a call that when
>it was forward to several other people by one of our subscribers those that
>received the forward also received an unauthorized attachment that was
>pornographic in nature.

If the only people who received the attachment were those that received
the forward, it would seem to be an issue for the person who forwarded
the post. There's no way that any person or list management software
can control what a recipient might attach to a received e-mail and
forward on.

>Needless to say we are very upset by this incident. I did notice that on the
>public html page when I chose to view the mailing lists for APPL.ORG, there
>was an unauthorized list and none of our real lists were there. That
>unauthorized list is
>Immagina_percorsiumanisti.net. When I clicked on that list the public html
>was all in Spanish. Fortunately, when I did the same thing from the password
>protected administrative page, our real mailing lists were there.

This would seem to be an issue for Jaguar PC. It appears that someone
may have hijacked their server.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sun Sep  5 18:40:27 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:40:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list sends multiple copies of itself
In-Reply-To: <20040903153410.89177.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409050940270109e274b1e8@msapiro>

Benedetta Manocchio wrote:

>Ooops. I created a mailing list, but when I send a test email to the mailing list, multiple copies arrive in the inboxes. What did I do wrong? How do I correct this?

Hard to say. Do all subscribers receive multiple copies, the same
number, how many? What do the mailman "post" and "smtp" logs show?

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sun Sep  5 18:52:38 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:52:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error in posting message
In-Reply-To: <20040901042113.73412.qmail@web14825.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040901042113.73412.qmail@web14825.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p060020d6bd60f498b734@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:21 PM -0700 2004-08-31, teuku hasbullah wrote:

>  I use mailman 2.1.5, solaris 5.9 o/s, python 2.2 and sendmail for MTA

	Mailman 2.1.5 requires Python 2.3.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.008.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From desi6n at myway.com  Sun Sep  5 19:16:30 2004
From: desi6n at myway.com (desi6n)
Date: Sun,  5 Sep 2004 13:16:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce only
Message-ID: <20040905171630.81FD43964@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Sorry to bother you - I'm having trouble with one of my client's mail list. It should be set up so no one except the administrator / moderator can post to the list - but people have been responding to the email and it is getting distrubuted to everyone else on the list. How can I make it so the list is announce only and can't be responded to? Also how do I set it up so the footer does not get sent? Right now it is being sent as an attachment and my client doesn't want that. Thanks

_______________________________________________
No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.
Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sun Sep  5 19:51:22 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:51:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce only
In-Reply-To: <20040905171630.81FD43964@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20040905171630.81FD43964@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <p060020d8bd61020cde65@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:16 PM -0400 2004-09-05, desi6n wrote:

>                                                           How can I make
>  it so the list is announce only and can't be responded to?

	Visit the FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and see questions 3.11 and 
3.34.

>                                                              Also how do
>  I set it up so the footer does not get sent? Right now it is being sent
>  as an attachment and my client doesn't want that. Thanks

	See also question 4.39.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From mmlist at mikephillips.com  Sun Sep  5 21:34:03 2004
From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 15:34:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce only
References: <20040905171630.81FD43964@mprdmxin.myway.com>
	<p060020d8bd61020cde65@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <000e01c4937f$4d3b0620$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>

Regarding the footer problem, the FAQ says:

1. Configure Mailman to remove the footer
 2. Configure Mailman to strip all HTML and MIME formatting and send out all
      messages as text-only (text/plain)
 3. Get everyone to change the MUA they use to one that is more
HTML/MIME-aware
 4. Live with the problem

What if you want a footer? Other mail programs, like iMail Server, do not
seem to have the problem, or either I am not able see what steps have been
taken to avoid the problem.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Knowles" <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
To: <desi6n at myway.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] announce only


> At 1:16 PM -0400 2004-09-05, desi6n wrote:
>
> >                                                           How can I make
> >  it so the list is announce only and can't be responded to?
>
> Visit the FAQ Wizard at
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and see questions 3.11 and
> 3.34.
>
> >                                                              Also how do
> >  I set it up so the footer does not get sent? Right now it is being sent
> >  as an attachment and my client doesn't want that. Thanks
>
> See also question 4.39.
>
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
>
> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
>
>      -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
>      Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755
>
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
>



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sun Sep  5 22:40:23 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:40:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce only
In-Reply-To: <000e01c4937f$4d3b0620$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
References: <20040905171630.81FD43964@mprdmxin.myway.com>
	<p060020d8bd61020cde65@[10.0.1.3]>
	<000e01c4937f$4d3b0620$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
Message-ID: <p060020dabd6129dc3320@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:34 PM -0400 2004-09-05, Mike Phillips wrote:

>  Regarding the footer problem, the FAQ says:
>
>  1. Configure Mailman to remove the footer
>   2. Configure Mailman to strip all HTML and MIME formatting and send out all
>        messages as text-only (text/plain)
>   3. Get everyone to change the MUA they use to one that is more
>  HTML/MIME-aware
>   4. Live with the problem
>
>  What if you want a footer?

	What do you mean?

>                             Other mail programs, like iMail Server, do not
>  seem to have the problem, or either I am not able see what steps have been
>  taken to avoid the problem.

	This is not server problem.  This is a client problem -- not all 
clients interpret the input the same way.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Mon Sep  6 01:57:50 2004
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:57:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] couple quick questions - mailman on obsd
Message-ID: <20040905235750.GX1047@hq.newdream.net>

So I installed Mailman from ports on OpenBSD 3.5, and added the
following to mm_cfg.py after "from Defaults import *"

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailman.code404.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mailman.code404.com'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

yet messages that are sent out still reference localhost.my.domain.

I restarted mailman via mailmanctl just in case that was necessary (I
don't think it should be anyway), and tried reversing the order too.
Nothing weird in the Mailman logs that I can find. Must be missing
something dumb... anyone have any ideas?

Also, I should know this one, but what is needed for Apache (1.3.29) to
recognize the stuff in cgi-bin/ as executable without the .cgi
extension? I don't see anything weird in the Apache config on a FreeBSD
machine w/ a similar setup, yet if I go to the appropriate link on the
new machine, it just spits out the contents of the file rather than
executing it. Didn't see anything in the install documentation that
suggests the need to add anything for this.

In the VirtualHost container, I have:

DocumentRoot /usr/local/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
ServerName mailman.code404.com
ServerAlias mailman.code404.com
UseCanonicalName off
Options Includes Indexes FollowSymLinks ExecCGI

Alias /pipermail/ "/var/spool/mailman/archives/public/"

<Directory "/var/spool/mailman/archives/public/">
        AllowOverride All
        AddDefaultCharset Off
</Directory>

Since I want it to show up at the base domain, there's no ServerAlias.
I'm sure I'm probably missing something important here too - someone
want to clue me in?

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")



From jwt at OnJapan.net  Mon Sep  6 03:13:49 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:13:49 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman with dial-up Internet access
In-Reply-To: <200409051216.56746.lists@webvivant.com>
References: <200409051216.56746.lists@webvivant.com>
Message-ID: <20040906011349.GA7567@server.onjapan.net>

On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 12:16:56PM +0200, Steve Mansfield wrote:
> I understand that it's perfectly possible to use mailman on a server that
> has only dial-up access to the Internet. However, I'd like to get a firm
> grasp of the downsides of doing this before I go to the effort of
> installing it.

In addition to losing the Mailman web features for the users,
you should remember that there may be mail delivery issues not
directly related to Mailman when trying to run a list from a
dial-up system.  Many ISPs block direct connections to their
mail servers from address blocks of dial-up users, which will
limit your ability to deliver mail directly to all of your
subscribers.  If you route mail through your provider's SMTP
server (smarthost), you may run afoul of traffic limits they
set on their users.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From jwt at OnJapan.net  Mon Sep  6 03:18:55 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:18:55 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] couple quick questions - mailman on obsd
In-Reply-To: <20040905235750.GX1047@hq.newdream.net>
References: <20040905235750.GX1047@hq.newdream.net>
Message-ID: <20040906011855.GB7567@server.onjapan.net>

On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 04:57:50PM -0700, Will Yardley wrote:
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
> 
> yet messages that are sent out still reference localhost.my.domain.

Did you create the list(s) before configuring the
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST in your mm_cfg.py?  (Is the "Host name this
list prefers for email" on the General Options page set
correctly?  Or if it is the URLs you are referring to, did you
run bin/fix_url.py?)

> Also, I should know this one, but what is needed for Apache (1.3.29) to
> recognize the stuff in cgi-bin/ as executable without the .cgi
> extension? I don't see anything weird in the Apache config on a FreeBSD

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Mon Sep  6 04:22:38 2004
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:22:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: couple quick questions - mailman on obsd
In-Reply-To: <20040906011855.GB7567@server.onjapan.net>
References: <20040905235750.GX1047@hq.newdream.net>
	<20040906011855.GB7567@server.onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <20040906022238.GA13209@hq.newdream.net>

On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 10:18:55AM +0900, Jim Tittsler wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 04:57:50PM -0700, Will Yardley wrote:

> > add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
> > 
> > yet messages that are sent out still reference localhost.my.domain.
 
> Did you create the list(s) before configuring the
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST in your mm_cfg.py?  (Is the "Host name this
> list prefers for email" on the General Options page set
> correctly?

Ahh.. nope. I knew that changes there wouldn't override the values set
for lists, but I thought (because of the behavior of "DEFAULT_URL") that
it wasn't necessary to rebuild the list configs in this case if the
default hadn't been specifically overridden for the list itself..

Recreating the list fixed it for me.

> > Also, I should know this one, but what is needed for Apache (1.3.29) to
> > recognize the stuff in cgi-bin/ as executable without the .cgi
> > extension? I don't see anything weird in the Apache config on a FreeBSD

> ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/

Ahh - so just doing
ServerAlias / /usr/local/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
does the trick.

Thanks much.

-- 
"Since when is skepticism un-American?
Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")



From john at wa9als.com  Mon Sep  6 04:32:59 2004
From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 21:32:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] couple quick questions - mailman on obsd
In-Reply-To: <20040906011855.GB7567@server.onjapan.net>
References: <20040905235750.GX1047@hq.newdream.net>
	<20040906011855.GB7567@server.onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <11332.148.78.243.121.1094437979.squirrel@www.wa9als.com>

>> Also, I should know this one, but what is needed for Apache (1.3.29)
>> to
>> recognize the stuff in cgi-bin/ as executable without the .cgi
>> extension? I don't see anything weird in the Apache config on a
>> FreeBSD
>
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/

In case it saves someone looking, it's
/mailman/  /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
in Debian-Testing

THANKS - I needed that too!  - John




From custom at freenet.de  Mon Sep  6 05:33:13 2004
From: custom at freenet.de (Chanchao)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:33:13 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with incorrect link to archives: It links
	to someone elses site!!
Message-ID: <1536142297.20040906103313@freenet.de>


Hi,

I'm not quite sure if this is a know bug or a configuration issue
somewhere.. Problem is that the "Go to list archives" link points to a
completely different site that I've never heard of. Note that this happens
no matter how I set the archiving settings (archiving on or off, public or
private, it makes no difference)

Now my users are worried that users of this other site are having access to
our mail.

Any thoughts?  The link is here:

http://bkknights.netasia.org/mailman/private/list_bkknights.netasia.org/

And somehow this results in some San Fransisco based astronomers website
that I have nothing to do with.

Virtual internet worm hole? :-)   It's possible that the SF based site is
hosted on the same hosting provider as my domain is; that's the only
connection I can think of.

Cheers,
Chanchao




From msapiro at value.net  Mon Sep  6 06:24:30 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 21:24:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with incorrect link to archives: It
	linksto someone elses site!!
In-Reply-To: <1536142297.20040906103313@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <PC171520040905212430089037b1f478@msapiro>

Chanchao wrote:
>
>I'm not quite sure if this is a know bug or a configuration issue
>somewhere.. Problem is that the "Go to list archives" link points to a
>completely different site that I've never heard of. Note that this happens
>no matter how I set the archiving settings (archiving on or off, public or
>private, it makes no difference)
>
>Now my users are worried that users of this other site are having access to
>our mail.
>
>Any thoughts?  The link is here:
>
>http://bkknights.netasia.org/mailman/private/list_bkknights.netasia.org/
>
>And somehow this results in some San Fransisco based astronomers website
>that I have nothing to do with.


If I go to the above link, I get to the "list Private Archives
Authentication" page, presumably for your list. I can go no further
without the e-mail address and list password of a subscriber.

You should be aware that both domains netasia.org and
sfaa-astronomy.org appear to be hosted by TOTALCHOICEHOSTING.COM and
all four names bkknights.netasia.org, netasia.org,
www.sfaa-astronomy.org
and sfaa-astronomy.org resolve to the same IP address 66.36.242.244.

I don't think you need to worry about the San Francisco Amateur
Astronomers accessing your list archives because like me, they
wouldn't be able to log in. Anyway, if I try to go to their web site,
that's where I wind up.

>Virtual internet worm hole? :-)   It's possible that the SF based site is
>hosted on the same hosting provider as my domain is; that's the only
>connection I can think of.
>

As I note above, this seems to be the case. This is an issue for your
hosting provider and/or your domain registrar to work out. It appears
to be either a mistake or a misconfiguration of the web server at
66.36.242.244.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From d.richards at qut.edu.au  Mon Sep  6 07:21:28 2004
From: d.richards at qut.edu.au (David Richards)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:21:28 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejecting Posts from some members
Message-ID: <c1b2285.7b6b372b.83d9900@mail-msgstore02.qut.edu.au>

Hi,

We have a need to restrict the senders of a list to a very small number of 
people.  These people may or may not be members of the list.  All other posts 
we wish to reject, how can this be acheived?

At the moment, the following are set:

default_member_moderation = no   (no members set to moderation)
member_moderation_action = reject
accept_these_nonmembers = ['bloggs at domain.com','abc at xyz.com']
generic_nonmember_action = reject

abc at xyz.com is a member of the list.

Thanks in advance,

David Richards
Senior Network Programmer
Information Technology Services
Queensland University of Technology


From nstazew1 at swarthmore.edu  Mon Sep  6 14:55:09 2004
From: nstazew1 at swarthmore.edu (Nathan K. Stazewski)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 08:55:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email bouncing back to sender...
Message-ID: <20040906125510.350F1EFA75@cork.its.swarthmore.edu>

I'm not sure if this is a problem on the listserv side.or if bowdoin edu's.
I didn't see anything about this on previous postings, so I thought I'd ask.
Basically, whenever this user tries to post to our listserv, it waits 2 days
and says it can't deliver.  I never see the email to be able to approve it.
We don't seem to be having any other problems.just this one user.  Thanks in
advance.

 

-------- Original Message -------- 


Subject: 

Delivery Notification: Delivery has been delayed


Date: 

Sat, 04 Sep 2004 00:37:09 -0400 (EDT)


From: 

Internet Mail Delivery  <mailto:postmaster at mail.bowdoin.edu>
<postmaster at mail.bowdoin.edu>


To: 

wcadge at bowdoin.edu

 

This report relates to a message you sent with the following header fields:
 
  Return-path:  <mailto:wcadge at bowdoin.edu> <wcadge at bowdoin.edu>
  Received: from mail.bowdoin.edu by mail.bowdoin.edu
   (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep  8 2003))
   id  <mailto:0I3I000MG25XPH at mail.bowdoin.edu>
<0I3I000MG25XPH at mail.bowdoin.edu>; Sat,  4 Sep 2004 00:37:09 -0400 (EDT)
  Received: from bowdoin.edu (mail [139.140.14.83])
   by mail.bowdoin.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep
8
   2003)) with ESMTP id  <mailto:0I3D007M6QLTRV at mail.bowdoin.edu>
<0I3D007M6QLTRV at mail.bowdoin.edu> for
   Class97 at alumni-office.swarthmore.edu; Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:37:05 -0400
(EDT)
  Received: from [66.92.75.203] by mail.bowdoin.edu (mshttpd); Wed,
   01 Sep 2004 16:37:05 -0400
  Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:37:05 -0400
  From: Wendy Cadge  <mailto:wcadge at bowdoin.edu> <wcadge at bowdoin.edu>
  Subject: that time again....classnotes
  To: Class97 at alumni-office.swarthmore.edu
  Message-id:  <mailto:b7238b632e.b632eb7238 at bowdoin.edu>
<b7238b632e.b632eb7238 at bowdoin.edu>
  MIME-version: 1.0
  X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep  8 2003)
  Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
  Content-language: en
  Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
  Content-disposition: inline
  X-Accept-Language: en
  Priority: normal
 
Your message has been enqueued and undeliverable for 2 days
to the following recipients:
 
  Recipient address: Class97 at alumni-office.swarthmore.edu
  Reason: unable to deliver this message after 2 days
 
 
Delivery attempt history for your mail:
 
Fri,  3 Sep 2004 19:57:39 -0400 (EDT)
TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
 
Fri,  3 Sep 2004 11:53:55 -0400 (EDT)
TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
 
Fri,  3 Sep 2004 03:50:11 -0400 (EDT)
TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
 
Thu,  2 Sep 2004 19:46:27 -0400 (EDT)
TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
 
Thu,  2 Sep 2004 19:10:48 -0400 (EDT)
TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
 
Thu,  2 Sep 2004 11:07:04 -0400 (EDT)
TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
 
Thu,  2 Sep 2004 07:03:19 -0400 (EDT)
TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
 
Thu,  2 Sep 2004 02:59:34 -0400 (EDT)
TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
 
Wed,  1 Sep 2004 22:55:50 -0400 (EDT)
TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
 
Wed,  1 Sep 2004 20:52:04 -0400 (EDT)
TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
 
Wed,  1 Sep 2004 18:48:20 -0400 (EDT)
TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
 
Wed,  1 Sep 2004 17:44:35 -0400 (EDT)
TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
 
Wed,  1 Sep 2004 16:40:50 -0400 (EDT)
TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
 
The mail system will continue to try to deliver your message
for an additional 1 day.
 
 

_______________________

Nathan K. Stazewski

Assistant Director

Alumni Relations

Swarthmore College

Swarthmore, PA  19081

610-957-6103

Fax: 610-328-7796

 
<file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\NStazew1\Application%20Data\Microsoft
\Signatures\www.swarthmore.edu> www.swarthmore.edu

 



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Sep  6 15:25:25 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:25:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email bouncing back to sender...
In-Reply-To: <20040906125510.350F1EFA75@cork.its.swarthmore.edu>
References: <20040906125510.350F1EFA75@cork.its.swarthmore.edu>
Message-ID: <361A295D-0008-11D9-A179-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

You do not seem to have an MX record published for the  
alumni-office.swarthmore.edu domain and while an A record is acceptable  
for a machine with a public IP number it is indicative of a possible  
failure for your network to be configured so as to allow SMTP  
connection to port 25 on that machine.

I also found that attempting to connect to port 25 on  
alumni-office.swarthmore.edu failed with a timeout which suggest that  
something may be blocking connections to it. I suggest you discuss this  
with your local sys admin as the cause of your problem may be the  
configuration of firewalls on your machine/LAN

The following illustrate the inability to connect, which is what the  
MTA that sent the bounce message was reporting:

;; ANSWER SECTION:
alumni-office.swarthmore.edu.  2h5m45s IN A  130.58.82.74

$ telnet alumni-office.swarthmore.edu 25
Trying 130.58.82.74...
telnet: connect to address 130.58.82.74: Operation timed out
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host

On 6 Sep 2004, at 13:55, Nathan K. Stazewski wrote:

> I'm not sure if this is a problem on the listserv side.or if bowdoin  
> edu's.
> I didn't see anything about this on previous postings, so I thought  
> I'd ask.
> Basically, whenever this user tries to post to our listserv, it waits  
> 2 days
> and says it can't deliver.  I never see the email to be able to  
> approve it.
> We don't seem to be having any other problems.just this one user.   
> Thanks in
> advance.
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
>
> Subject:
>
> Delivery Notification: Delivery has been delayed
>
>
> Date:
>
> Sat, 04 Sep 2004 00:37:09 -0400 (EDT)
>
>
> From:
>
> Internet Mail Delivery  <mailto:postmaster at mail.bowdoin.edu>
> <postmaster at mail.bowdoin.edu>
>
>
> To:
>
> wcadge at bowdoin.edu
>
>
>
> This report relates to a message you sent with the following header  
> fields:
>
>   Return-path:  <mailto:wcadge at bowdoin.edu> <wcadge at bowdoin.edu>
>   Received: from mail.bowdoin.edu by mail.bowdoin.edu
>    (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep  8 2003))
>    id  <mailto:0I3I000MG25XPH at mail.bowdoin.edu>
> <0I3I000MG25XPH at mail.bowdoin.edu>; Sat,  4 Sep 2004 00:37:09 -0400  
> (EDT)
>   Received: from bowdoin.edu (mail [139.140.14.83])
>    by mail.bowdoin.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21  
> (built Sep
> 8
>    2003)) with ESMTP id  <mailto:0I3D007M6QLTRV at mail.bowdoin.edu>
> <0I3D007M6QLTRV at mail.bowdoin.edu> for
>    Class97 at alumni-office.swarthmore.edu; Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:37:05  
> -0400
> (EDT)
>   Received: from [66.92.75.203] by mail.bowdoin.edu (mshttpd); Wed,
>    01 Sep 2004 16:37:05 -0400
>   Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:37:05 -0400
>   From: Wendy Cadge  <mailto:wcadge at bowdoin.edu> <wcadge at bowdoin.edu>
>   Subject: that time again....classnotes
>   To: Class97 at alumni-office.swarthmore.edu
>   Message-id:  <mailto:b7238b632e.b632eb7238 at bowdoin.edu>
> <b7238b632e.b632eb7238 at bowdoin.edu>
>   MIME-version: 1.0
>   X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep  8  
> 2003)
>   Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>   Content-language: en
>   Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
>   Content-disposition: inline
>   X-Accept-Language: en
>   Priority: normal
>
> Your message has been enqueued and undeliverable for 2 days
> to the following recipients:
>
>   Recipient address: Class97 at alumni-office.swarthmore.edu
>   Reason: unable to deliver this message after 2 days
>
>
> Delivery attempt history for your mail:
>
> Fri,  3 Sep 2004 19:57:39 -0400 (EDT)
> TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
>
> Fri,  3 Sep 2004 11:53:55 -0400 (EDT)
> TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
>
> Fri,  3 Sep 2004 03:50:11 -0400 (EDT)
> TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
>
> Thu,  2 Sep 2004 19:46:27 -0400 (EDT)
> TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
>
> Thu,  2 Sep 2004 19:10:48 -0400 (EDT)
> TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
>
> Thu,  2 Sep 2004 11:07:04 -0400 (EDT)
> TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
>
> Thu,  2 Sep 2004 07:03:19 -0400 (EDT)
> TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
>
> Thu,  2 Sep 2004 02:59:34 -0400 (EDT)
> TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
>
> Wed,  1 Sep 2004 22:55:50 -0400 (EDT)
> TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
>
> Wed,  1 Sep 2004 20:52:04 -0400 (EDT)
> TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
>
> Wed,  1 Sep 2004 18:48:20 -0400 (EDT)
> TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
>
> Wed,  1 Sep 2004 17:44:35 -0400 (EDT)
> TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
>
> Wed,  1 Sep 2004 16:40:50 -0400 (EDT)
> TCP active open: Failed connect()    Error: Connection timed out
>
> The mail system will continue to try to deliver your message
> for an additional 1 day.
>
>
>
> _______________________
>
> Nathan K. Stazewski
>
> Assistant Director
>
> Alumni Relations
>
> Swarthmore College
>
> Swarthmore, PA  19081
>
> 610-957-6103
>
> Fax: 610-328-7796
>
>
> <file:///C: 
> \Documents%20and%20Settings\NStazew1\Application%20Data\Microsoft
> \Signatures\www.swarthmore.edu> www.swarthmore.edu
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:  
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>



From msapiro at value.net  Mon Sep  6 17:03:04 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 08:03:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejecting Posts from some members
In-Reply-To: <c1b2285.7b6b372b.83d9900@mail-msgstore02.qut.edu.au>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409060803040125b31d5fa1@msapiro>

David Richards wrote:
>
>We have a need to restrict the senders of a list to a very small number of 
>people.  These people may or may not be members of the list.  All other posts 
>we wish to reject, how can this be acheived?
>
>At the moment, the following are set:
>
>default_member_moderation = no   (no members set to moderation)

set to yes

>member_moderation_action = reject
>accept_these_nonmembers = ['bloggs at domain.com','abc at xyz.com']
>generic_nonmember_action = reject
>
>abc at xyz.com is a member of the list.
>

Visit
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and read article 3.11 for more information.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From relson at osagesoftware.com  Mon Sep  6 17:32:05 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:32:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email bouncing back to sender...
In-Reply-To: <361A295D-0008-11D9-A179-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
References: <20040906125510.350F1EFA75@cork.its.swarthmore.edu>
	<361A295D-0008-11D9-A179-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20040906113205.7c669343@osage.osagesoftware.com>

Nathan,

http://zmailer.org/mxverify.html is a nice self-test page.  You can use
it to check swarthmore.edu and alumni-office.swarthmore.edu for correct
configuration.

Regards,

David


From bembrey at pobox.com  Sun Sep  5 23:23:04 2004
From: bembrey at pobox.com (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 17:23:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirecting from one list to another
Message-ID: <auto-000001951771@hermes.hood.edu>

Mailman Users:

 

I am running Mailman 2.1.5. I have several lists where one is allstudents,
and several others that are a subset such as commuters, residents, etc.
Sometimes messages are sent to the allstudents list which should have been
sent to one of the other lists. How do I redirect the message to the subset
list without it going to the allstudents list? Can this be done through the
admin interface? If not then how?

 

Thanks,

 

Bruce Embrey



From thomas at vermoe.dk  Mon Sep  6 23:09:39 2004
From: thomas at vermoe.dk (Thomas von Hassel)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:09:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wierd error
Message-ID: <108813E9-0049-11D9-8581-000D93C1A3D6@vermoe.dk>

When folks try to mail password reminders they get this error:

Traceback:


Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py", line 249, in main
     loginpage(mlist, doc, user, language)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py", line 813, in 
loginpage
     table.AddRow([_("""In order to change your membership option, you 
must
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 89, in _
     return tns % dict
ValueError: unsupported format character 'p' (0x70) at index 105




Python information:

Variable
Value

sys.version
  2.2.3 (#1, Jun 19 2003, 22:18:51) [GCC 2.95.4 20020320 [FreeBSD]]

sys.executable
  /usr/local/bin/python

sys.prefix
  /usr/local

sys.exec_prefix
  /usr/local

sys.path
  /usr/local

sys.platform
  freebsd4


any ideas what went wrong ?


/thomas



From jwt at OnJapan.net  Tue Sep  7 02:37:35 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:37:35 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wierd error
In-Reply-To: <108813E9-0049-11D9-8581-000D93C1A3D6@vermoe.dk>
References: <108813E9-0049-11D9-8581-000D93C1A3D6@vermoe.dk>
Message-ID: <20040907003734.GA18964@server.onjapan.net>

On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 11:09:39PM +0200, Thomas von Hassel wrote:
> When folks try to mail password reminders they get this error:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
[...]
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py", line 813, in 
> loginpage
>     table.AddRow([_("""In order to change your membership option, you 
> must
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 89, in _
>     return tns % dict
> ValueError: unsupported format character 'p' (0x70) at index 105

There is a mistake in the Danish translation that shipped with
2.1.5.  It is missing an 's' in one of the translated strings.

  <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-August/038622.html>

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From kclair at serve.com  Tue Sep  7 01:49:53 2004
From: kclair at serve.com (K. Clair)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:49:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricting configuration option
In-Reply-To: <p060020cfbd5e9762ddd0@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <20040903210218.GJ2907@karl.serve.com>
	<p060020cfbd5e9762ddd0@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <20040906234953.GB919@karl.serve.com>

Hmmm, okay ... is there a not-so-easy way? :)

Thanks!
Kristina

On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 11:51:24PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:
- At 2:02 PM -0700 2004-09-03, K. Clair wrote:
- 
- > Is there a relatively easy way to remove configuration options from
- > the administrative interface for all lists?  I know that I can set
- > defaults, but what if I don't want list administrators to be able to
- > change them?
- 
- 	Not really.  There are certain things (like personalization) that 
- a site admin can prevent list owners from seeing, and you can set 
- lots of defaults, but that's about it.
- 
- 	There's no convenient way to go through and have the site admin 
- to go through each and every option in the package and say "yes, I 
- want them to see this option, no I don't want them to see those, yes 
- this other one is okay, etc...."
- 
- -- 
- Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
- 
- "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
- temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
- 
-     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
-     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755
- 
-   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From jdory at gci.net  Tue Sep  7 03:28:37 2004
From: jdory at gci.net (Jim Dory)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 17:28:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
	trouble with setup: Cron, receiving mail outside lan
Message-ID: <413D0EC5.3070608@gci.net>

I'm a newb with this and am a bit overwhelmed with the installation and 
docs. Been searching the archives but hoping for quick help, as I 
suspect I made a dumb error.

I'm installing on Suse 7.3, I have python 2.1.1 and latest stable 
mailman. Using Sendmail. I have it working more or less on local lan, 
but outside of it, email clients do not receive mail from it. They can 
send. I get error messages locally to my root and user email accounts on 
the server every 5 minutes or so:
"
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:39:53 -0800
From: mailman-owner at linux.local
To: root at linux.local
Subject: Cron <mailman at linux> /usr/bin/python -S 
/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news
Parts/Attachments:
   1   Shown     5 lines  Text
   2   Shown     1 KB     Message, "Cron <mailman at linux> /usr/bin/python 
-S /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news"
   2.1 Shown    10 lines  Text
----------------------------------------

You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
mailman-owner at linux.local.


    [ Part 2: "Included Message" ]

Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:30:02 -0800
From: Cron Daemon <root at linux.local>
To: mailman at linux.local
Subject: Cron <mailman at linux> /usr/bin/python -S 
/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 284, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 259, in main
    lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 243, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 422, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'/usr/local/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.linux.23031.0'

"

Here's a snip of my mm_cfg.py:

###############################################
# Here's where we get the distributed defaults.

from Defaults import *


##################################################
# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.dorydesign.com'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'dorydesign.com'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)



(I thought you would add the actual host names under the add_virtualhost 
line but it returns errors when trying to start or stop mailman).

I figure it is probably a simple mistake or overlook. Hopefully someone 
can lend a hand. I can post more info - just not sure what is needed. My 
/etc/aliases contains the suggested aliases from the INSTALL.  My hosts 
file has 127.0.0.1 localhost and then also its IP Address and 
linux.local (the name of server). Not sure if I need to add anything 
more there.

Perhaps I just need more in my mm_cfg.py file ? or perhaps a permission 
problem with cron?

Thank you very much for reading and also to anyone who may offer 
ideas/inquiries!!!

cheers, JD.


From jdory at gci.net  Tue Sep  7 03:45:12 2004
From: jdory at gci.net (Jim Dory)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 17:45:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users]	trouble with setup: Cron,
	receiving mail outside lan
In-Reply-To: <413D0EC5.3070608@gci.net>
References: <413D0EC5.3070608@gci.net>
Message-ID: <413D12A8.6010305@gci.net>

PS: I forgot to mention I am connecting behind a linksys router (I added 
port 25 in port forward) and connect via cable modem. And I believe the 
isp (gci.net) allows port 25.


Jim Dory wrote:

> I'm a newb with this and am a bit overwhelmed with the installation 
> and docs. Been searching the archives but hoping for quick help, as I 
> suspect I made a dumb error.
>
> I'm installing on Suse 7.3, I have python 2.1.1 and latest stable 
> mailman. Using Sendmail. I have it working more or less on local lan, 
> but outside of it, email clients do not receive mail from it. They can 
> send. I get error messages locally to my root and user email accounts 
> on the server every 5 minutes or so:
>
> Thank you very much for reading and also to anyone who may offer 
> ideas/inquiries!!!
>
> cheers, JD.
> ------------------------------------------------------
>



From jdory at gci.net  Tue Sep  7 03:56:33 2004
From: jdory at gci.net (Jim Dory)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 17:56:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  trouble with setup: Cron,
	receiving mail outside lan
In-Reply-To: <DB947858-006C-11D9-B50A-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
References: <413D0EC5.3070608@gci.net>
	<DB947858-006C-11D9-B50A-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <413D1551.4000104@gci.net>

Dan Phillips wrote:

>
>
> Have you run bin/check_perms -f ? the obvious cause of the error is a 
> permission issue, but check_perms doesn't always find everything. 
> FWIW, my locks directory is 775 and the lock files themselves are 664. 
> Before even messing with that, however, if you have no need for the 
> NNTP gate, then comment out the gate_news in the mailman crontab and 
> you don't have to worry about it :-)
>
> BTW, did you install from source? If so, know that Mailman-2.1.5 (the 
> latest) requires python 2.3.
>
> Dan
>
> ================================
> Dan Phillips
> Professor of Horn, University of Memphis
> site administrator: music.memphis.edu
>
>
Hello Dan,

Thanks for the reply! 

Check_perms had some errors and with -f it no longer reports any errors.

The problem could well be the older python version. I installed python 
via a package on the Suse 7.3 disks as I could not find one that worked 
otherwise. I downloaded the latest source for python and I got back gcc 
./configure errors. I found an rpm of python that was perhaps for suse 8 
and it didn't work either. So that is why I went with the older python. 
The only one I could get to install.  I could search more for an 
upgrade, but didn't have luck the first time.  I've thought of upgrading 
to Debian on the server but really didn't want to go through the hassle 
(learning curve and time)- but maybe that would be an alternative.

I'll try commenting out the NNTP gate (haven't researched what it is yet 
- don't even know if I need it). Locks directory under 
/usr/local/mailman is drwxrwsr-x, as is all of those directories.

But if it ain't gonna work with python 2.1.1, maybe that is where my 
attention should lie?

As an aside, should I reply to the list? When I hit reply, or reply-all, 
it does not include the mailman list. Seems odd.

cheers, JD


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Sep  7 04:38:23 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 04:38:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Looking for Yahoo style
 email list
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040904134527.01ef1ec0@mail.kettle.org>
References: <4120D237.5070006@dcu.ie>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20040904134527.01ef1ec0@mail.kettle.org>
Message-ID: <p060020e0bd62cf47f8d1@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:52 PM -0500 2004-09-04, Paul wrote:

>  I am looking for something that can be both an email list and a BBS
>  style web page like Yahoo Groups. I want an email list that if the
>  user chooses can read and post to the list from a web page like the
>  Yahoo Groups.

	Mailman doesn't do this.  It'll handle the mailing list side 
reasonably well, but the BBS style interface is not included.

>  Can Mailman be adapted?

	Probably.  Can you write code in Python?

>  Does an open source solution exist?

	If you find one, please let us know.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Sep  7 04:39:23 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 04:39:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricting configuration option
In-Reply-To: <20040906234953.GB919@karl.serve.com>
References: <20040903210218.GJ2907@karl.serve.com>
	<p060020cfbd5e9762ddd0@[10.0.1.3]>
	<20040906234953.GB919@karl.serve.com>
Message-ID: <p060020e1bd62cfb91371@[10.0.1.3]>

At 4:49 PM -0700 2004-09-06, K. Clair wrote:

>  Hmmm, okay ... is there a not-so-easy way? :)

	You can change configuration options in mm_cfg.py based on the 
defaults in Defaults.py, but beyond that, no.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Sep  7 04:42:17 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 04:42:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  	trouble with setup: Cron, receiving
	mail outside lan
In-Reply-To: <413D0EC5.3070608@gci.net>
References: <413D0EC5.3070608@gci.net>
Message-ID: <p060020e2bd62cfee2025@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:28 PM -0800 2004-09-06, Jim Dory wrote:

>  I'm installing on Suse 7.3, I have python 2.1.1 and latest stable mailman.

	What do you consider the "latest stable mailman"?

	If you search at the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py>, you will find that item 
5.008 informs you that you need Python 2.3 if you're going to use 
Mailman 2.1.5.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From msapiro at value.net  Tue Sep  7 04:55:12 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:55:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Replying to list (was:trouble with setup: Cron,
	receiving mail outside lan)
In-Reply-To: <413D1551.4000104@gci.net>
Message-ID: <PC171520040906195512068724be3b7b@msapiro>

Jim Dory in response to an off list reply from Dan Phillips:
>
>As an aside, should I reply to the list? When I hit reply, or reply-all, 
>it does not include the mailman list. Seems odd.
>

Your reply-all doesn't automatically include the list because Dan's
reply to you didn't include the list.

It is always tricky to know what to do in this case. This list is set
up so simple replies to list messages go to the originator and
reply-all goes to the originator, the list and any other explicit
recipients of that message. I happen to believe that this is the
proper way to set up a list, but I don't want to start that thread
here (there are plenty of examples in the archives if you want to see
the arguments).

The problem is if I receive an off list reply, do I treat it as though
ommitting the list was a mistake and continue the thread on the list,
or do I treat it as though it was off list on purpose and respect the
replier's privacy and not copy back to the list? I tend toward the
latter but will do the former if I think there is enough general
interest.

As far as ethics is concerned, unless the reply specifically indicates
it is "off list", I don't have a problem including it in a further
reply to the list.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From jdory at gci.net  Tue Sep  7 05:43:26 2004
From: jdory at gci.net (Jim Dory)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 19:43:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  	trouble with setup: Cron,
	receiving mail outside lan
In-Reply-To: <p060020e2bd62cfee2025@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <413D0EC5.3070608@gci.net> <p060020e2bd62cfee2025@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <413D2E5E.1080300@gci.net>

Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 5:28 PM -0800 2004-09-06, Jim Dory wrote:
>
>>  I'm installing on Suse 7.3, I have python 2.1.1 and latest stable 
>> mailman.
>
>
>     What do you consider the "latest stable mailman"?
>
>     If you search at the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py>, you will find that item 
> 5.008 informs you that you need Python 2.3 if you're going to use 
> Mailman 2.1.5.
>
Thanks Brad,

I had read this paragraph off the webpage:
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/download.html
.

"You must have the Python <http://www.python.org/> interpreter installed 
somewhere on your system. Currently Python 2.1 or newer is required, 
with Python 2.3.3 being recommended. Mailman should work with latest 
patch release on any Python branch from 2.1 to 2.3, which as of this 
writing (31-Dec-2003) is Python 2.1.3 <http://www.python.org/2.1.3/>, 
Python 2.2.3 <http://www.python.org/2.2.3/>, and Python 2.3.3 
<http://www.python.org/2.3.3/>."

and did not read it quite carefully enough - I just saw where it said 
"2.1 or newer", and "Python branch from 2.1 to 2.3". So I assumed 2.1.1 
would do it. If I had read more carefully- I might have noticed that it 
requires 2.1.3 or newer. Sorry.

I am using Mailman 2.1.5 and called it latest stable release based on 
how sourceforge presented it as such.

Looks like I need to find a way to get a newer python on my box. I'll 
withdraw my request for help until such a time as I get that installed, 
and I assume re-install mailman.

cheers, JD


From Mailman at Kettle.org  Sat Sep  4 20:52:47 2004
From: Mailman at Kettle.org (Paul)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:52:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for Yahoo style email list
In-Reply-To: <4120D237.5070006@dcu.ie>
References: <4120D237.5070006@dcu.ie>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040904134527.01ef1ec0@mail.kettle.org>

I am looking for something that can be both an email list and a BBS style 
web page like Yahoo Groups. I want an email list that if the user chooses 
can read and post to the list from a web page like the Yahoo Groups.
Can Mailman be adapted?
Does an open source solution exist?

Thanks
Paul




From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Sep  7 04:14:56 2004
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 22:14:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Looking for Yahoo style
	email list 
In-Reply-To: Message from Paul <Mailman@Kettle.org> of "Sat,
	04 Sep 2004 13:52:47 CDT."
	<6.1.2.0.2.20040904134527.01ef1ec0@mail.kettle.org> 
References: <4120D237.5070006@dcu.ie>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20040904134527.01ef1ec0@mail.kettle.org> 
Message-ID: <25089.1094523296@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:52:47 -0500 
Paul  <Mailman at Kettle.org> wrote:

> I am looking for something that can be both an email list and a BBS
> style web page like Yahoo Groups. I want an email list that if the
> user chooses can read and post to the list from a web page like the
> Yahoo Groups.  

You might like to see the current implementation of the archives at
Kanga.nu, and then read the User FAQ on how that was accomplished.
other reasonable approaches would enclude using a GMane-like setup.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Sep  7 10:21:12 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:21:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  	trouble with setup: Cron, 
	receiving mail outside lan
In-Reply-To: <413D2E5E.1080300@gci.net>
References: <413D0EC5.3070608@gci.net>
	<p060020e2bd62cfee2025@[10.0.1.3]> <413D2E5E.1080300@gci.net>
Message-ID: <p060020e4bd631e639123@[10.0.1.3]>

At 7:43 PM -0800 2004-09-06, Jim Dory wrote:

>  I had read this paragraph off the webpage:
>  <http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/download.html>:
>
>  "You must have the Python <http://www.python.org/> interpreter
>  installed somewhere on your system. Currently Python 2.1 or newer is
>  required, with Python 2.3.3 being recommended.

	Yeah, that part of the page needs to be updated.  That's why I 
created the FAQ entry I referenced.  The FAQ Wizard is designed to 
let anyone create an entry, regardless of whether or not they are 
part of the python or gnu.org projects, whereas changing the other 
types of pages is much more difficult unless you are the webmaster or 
approved project member of those systems.

>  I am using Mailman 2.1.5 and called it latest stable release based on
>  how sourceforge presented it as such.

	I asked the question that way because many people mistakenly 
believe that the "latest stable version" is whatever their OS vendor 
provides in whatever binary package formats they make available. 
Unfortunately, more than a few OS vendors provide package versions 
that are woefully out-of-date, and this makes it very difficult for 
us to tell what which version people are talking about unless they 
are explicit.

>  Looks like I need to find a way to get a newer python on my box. I'll
>  withdraw my request for help until such a time as I get that installed,
>  and I assume re-install mailman.

	Your problem may or may not be related to the python version 
problem.  However, upgrading your python version is the first thing 
I'd focus on doing.  If you're still having problems after that, we 
can help you deal with that issue when the time comes.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From ramdak5000 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  7 14:57:47 2004
From: ramdak5000 at yahoo.com (Ram Dak)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 05:57:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List admin and moderator addresses?
Message-ID: <20040907125748.58163.qmail@web50807.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I know this must sound like a dumb question, but
should the list admin and moderator email addresses be
added to the list of subscribers to enable them to
receive messages? This Mailman list is set up as a
discussion group.

Thanks,
Ramdak


		
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From Darren.Young at ChicagoGSB.edu  Tue Sep  7 16:16:03 2004
From: Darren.Young at ChicagoGSB.edu (Young, Darren)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:16:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] -1 moderator requests
Message-ID: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B80D692@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>


I have several lists that were migrated from an older version of Mailman
that are now receiving something like:

The listname at gsb.uchicago.edu mailing list has -1 request(s) waiting for
your consideration at:


Any way to fix this?


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Sep  7 16:34:36 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:34:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] -1 moderator requests
In-Reply-To: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B80D692@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B80D692@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <p060020ecbd6377526a5e@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:16 AM -0500 2004-09-07, Young, Darren wrote:

>  I have several lists that were migrated from an older version of Mailman
>  that are now receiving something like:
>
>  The listname at gsb.uchicago.edu mailing list has -1 request(s) waiting for
>  your consideration at:

	If you had searched the FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py>, you should have easily 
found item 3.38.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From SpeedyGonzalis at softhome.net  Tue Sep  7 16:43:20 2004
From: SpeedyGonzalis at softhome.net (Speedy Gonzalis)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 10:43:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership Reminder Fails
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040907104207.0a216c48@pop.SoftHome.net>

We have about 600 list running on a RH Linux box with Postfix and Mailman 2.1.4.  

Since we have upgraded to the new version from v2.0.8 we have no been able to successfully send a monthly membership reminder to our entire membership.  It has bombed at various points during the run.  Below is an error I got when trying to run it the last time.  It looks like it has something to do with languages, and I have seen some "UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128)" errors in the logs from time to time as well.

Can someone put me on track to getting this fixed?

Thanks in advance.

Tim


Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/mailman/cron/mailpasswds", line 238, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/mailman/cron/mailpasswds", line 218, in main
    i18n.set_language(poplang)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 35, in set_language
    language)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/gettext.py", line 248, in translation
    t = _translations.setdefault(key, class_(open(mofile, 'rb')))
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/gettext.py", line 106, in __init__
    self._parse(fp)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/gettext.py", line 180, in _parse
    k, v = item.split(':', 1)
ValueError: unpack list of wrong size 



From todd at trsoftwaresolutions.com  Tue Sep  7 17:17:19 2004
From: todd at trsoftwaresolutions.com (Todd Ring)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:17:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help with an umbrella list
Message-ID: <AJEPIIGLJOMELKINGEOLMEALCCAA.todd@trsoftwaresolutions.com>

Greetings,
I have a mail list with about 1600 members.  I have had trouble from day 1
with get a message out to all of them.  My Hosting agent tells me that I can
have only 800 name in a list.  So I broke the list into 27 smaller lists,
A-Z and 0 for numbers.  The main list is now just an umbrella list for the
rest. I have added the main list name to each list so that it is a member.
I am now getting errors that each list need moderation because of an
implicit address.  what is an implicit address and how do I go about
resolving this error.  Thank you.


Todd




From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Sep  7 17:39:20 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:39:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List admin and moderator addresses?
In-Reply-To: <20040907125748.58163.qmail@web50807.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040907125748.58163.qmail@web50807.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <15E9D4F7-00E4-11D9-A179-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 7 Sep 2004, at 13:57, Ram Dak wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I know this must sound like a dumb question, but
> should the list admin and moderator email addresses be
> added to the list of subscribers to enable them to
> receive messages?

List admins and moderators are not automatically list subscribers so 
they will not get copies of what is sent to the subscribers unless they 
also subscribe to the list.

>  This Mailman list is set up as a
> discussion group.
>
> Thanks,
> Ramdak



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Sep  7 17:44:32 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:44:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help with an umbrella list
In-Reply-To: <AJEPIIGLJOMELKINGEOLMEALCCAA.todd@trsoftwaresolutions.com>
References: <AJEPIIGLJOMELKINGEOLMEALCCAA.todd@trsoftwaresolutions.com>
Message-ID: <p060020edbd6387af4021@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:17 AM -0400 2004-09-07, Todd Ring wrote:

>  I am now getting errors that each list need moderation because of an
>  implicit address.  what is an implicit address and how do I go about
>  resolving this error.  Thank you.

	If you had searched the FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py>, you should have easily 
found item 1.009 which addresses this issue.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From nstazew1 at swarthmore.edu  Tue Sep  7 19:30:11 2004
From: nstazew1 at swarthmore.edu (Nathan K. Stazewski)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:30:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email bouncing back to sender...(part deux)...
Message-ID: <20040907173011.76229EFB87@cork.its.swarthmore.edu>

OK, yesterday I asked about why our mailman client wasn't accepting emails.
The problem was that the physical computer had been moved, so it had
attained a new IP and port 25 was being blocked at that IP by our firewall.
Our IT has since changed the directing, and it seems that everything is
directing to the new IP and the port can now be telnetted to, so I figure
that must be working.  What else needs to be changed though?  Right
afterward these changes had been made, I was able to send emails from on our
campus and they went through.  Then I tried to send from AOL.went
through.tried from hotmail and another college's server.neither shows up and
they're not pending.  After sending about 15 test emails.all emails stopped
coming through.no matter where I send them from.  Is there anything on the
Mac that I need to change since the IP is different?  I was told that I
needed an MX record published, and I have never even heard of this.  I
googled it and got the gist of it.but haven't a clue if I still need to do
that after other stuff was fixed.  I apologize for my ignorance.but this is
being run from a Mac and the only person that had anything to do with this
listserv no longer works here, so all I know is that it's a Mailman client
using postfix.

 

Again.the server in question is alumni-office.swarthmore.edu.  Thanks so
much in advance.



From mdiehl at diehlnet.com  Tue Sep  7 19:49:22 2004
From: mdiehl at diehlnet.com (Mike Diehl (Encrypted email preferred))
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:49:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail disappears.  (new install)
Message-ID: <200409071149.30867.mdiehl@diehlnet.com>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi all.

I just installed mailman and am trying to get it to work with exim.

I've followed the readme, configured exim and have created a test mailing list

When I try to send a message to the test list, exim logs the fact that it used 
mailman_transport to deliver the message, but the mail doesn't arive.

The test list's name is "vpn."  Here is a log entry from exim:

2004-09-01 19:29:57 1C2gQH-0002gQ-5S => vpn <vpn at dominion.diehlnet.com> 
R=mailm
an_router T=mailman_transport
2004-09-01 19:29:57 1C2gQH-0002gQ-5S Completed

As you can see, exim seemed happy to use mailman_transport to deliver.

Here is the mailman_transport configuration:

mailman_transport:
        driver = pipe
        command = MAILMAN_WRAP \
                '${if def:local_part_suffix \
                {${sg{$local_part_suffix}{-(\\w+)(\\+.*)?}{\$1}}} \
                {post}}' \
                $local_part
        current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
        home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
        user = MAILMAN_USER
        group = MAILMAN_GROUP

The variable definitions were copy/pasted from the installation guide, into 
the exim.conf file.

Since, I can't figure out how to get mailman to log it's progress, I don't 
even know where to start. 

Any pointers would be appreciated.

- -- 
Mike
gpg key: http://diehlnet.com/~mdiehl/mdiehl.asc
83AD D927 758D 4BFC A800 0277 4B26 75A4 F0D1 C7EB

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From Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com  Tue Sep  7 21:20:29 2004
From: Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com (Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:20:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner using 99% of my CPU time?
Message-ID: <OFD9FFB230.F1378664-ON88256F08.006A06E7@com>

Hello,

I don't know why, but qrunner (which I guess is related to mailman) is
using 99% of my cpu all the time.
I ran "qrunner -r All" because I assumed that I needed everything.

Any hints would be appreciated!
Thanks,
Takahiro



From dave at difference.com.au  Tue Sep  7 21:08:11 2004
From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 03:08:11 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail bounces
Message-ID: <a06110423bd638dfb13bd@[192.168.0.36]>

	OK, sendmail is bouncing with
    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post listname"
     (expanded from: <listname at difference.com.au>)

    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
550 5.7.1 "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post vampire"... Cannot 
mail directly to programs

	Which would point to a smrsh problem.
	I'm running sendmail and mailman on debian testing.
	The things that make this unusual are
- it was formerly working until I did a recent debian upgrade.
- and /etc/mail/smrsh does definitely contain a link to the appropriate file
legba:/etc/mail# ls -l smrsh/
total 0
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root root 26 Sep  5  2002 mail.local -> 
/usr/lib/sm.bin/mail.locallrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 29 Sep 26  2003 
mailman -> /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailmanlrwxr-xr-x  1 root root 17 
Sep 15  2002 procmail -> /usr/bin/procmail
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root root 17 Sep  5  2002 vacation -> /usr/bin/vacation
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root root 29 Sep 15  2002 wrapper -> 
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper
	It also seems to be happening despite me turning smrsh of in 
sendmail.mc etc.
	Any ideas?
	Cheers
		Dave


From embrey at hood.edu  Wed Sep  8 01:17:13 2004
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:17:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Redirection Question
Message-ID: <web-1985858@hermes.hood.edu>

Mailman Users:

I am using Mailman 2.1.15 on Linux.

When I redirect a message from one list to another. the
>From is changed to the first list and the Subject is
rewritten as Forward of Moderated Message. Is it possible
to preserve the original sender as the from address and the
orignal subject?

Bruce Embrey



Bruce Edward Embrey : Linux Administrator
Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927


From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Sep  8 01:29:46 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:29:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email bouncing back to sender...(part deux)...
In-Reply-To: <20040907173011.76229EFB87@cork.its.swarthmore.edu>
References: <20040907173011.76229EFB87@cork.its.swarthmore.edu>
Message-ID: <CE1514E0-0125-11D9-BEFC-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

On 7 Sep 2004, at 18:30, Nathan K. Stazewski wrote:

> OK, yesterday I asked about why our mailman client wasn't accepting 
> emails.
> The problem was that the physical computer had been moved, so it had
> attained a new IP and port 25 was being blocked at that IP by our 
> firewall.
> Our IT has since changed the directing, and it seems that everything is
> directing to the new IP and the port can now be telnetted to, so I 
> figure
> that must be working.  What else needs to be changed though?

If the hostname is still the same then you may not need to change the 
Mailman config file.

>  Right
> afterward these changes had been made, I was able to send emails from 
> on our
> campus and they went through.  Then I tried to send from AOL.went
> through.tried from hotmail and another college's server.neither shows 
> up and
> they're not pending.  After sending about 15 test emails.all emails 
> stopped
> coming through.no matter where I send them from.  Is there anything on 
> the
> Mac that I need to change since the IP is different?

What has changed hostname or its IP number? Which of either or both?

>  I was told that I
> needed an MX record published, and I have never even heard of this.

An MX DNS record is not strictly necessary if the machine concerned has 
a public IP number and an DNS A record is published for it, which it 
is. I have now been able to telnet to port 25 on 
alumni-office.swarthmore.edu from outside your domain which was not 
possible before.

>  I
> googled it and got the gist of it.but haven't a clue if I still need 
> to do
> that after other stuff was fixed.  I apologize for my ignorance.but 
> this is
> being run from a Mac and the only person that had anything to do with 
> this
> listserv no longer works here, so all I know is that it's a Mailman 
> client
> using postfix.
>

If these message that you are talking about are not being bounced then 
you need to try and see what is being recorded by the machine's MTA in 
its log (maybe /var/mail/log) and in the Mailman server's logs (sorry I 
do not know where they are stored on a MacOS X installation). The MTA 
log may say whether or not the messages are being received and 
delivered to Mailman or not. The Mailman logs may give some idea of the 
disposition of the messages; take a look at the post, smtp, 
smtp-failure and vette logs. You are looking to see if you can track 
incoming messages to the MTA->to Mailman->back out via the MTA. You 
also want to look in the Mailman qfiles/* subdirectories which may show 
whether files are being trapped in a queue for some reason.

If these new messages are being bounced then what does the bounce 
message say?

Maybe someone else here with MacOS X experience can advise on possible 
problems/causes/things to look for which are Mac'ish.

>
> Again.the server in question is alumni-office.swarthmore.edu.  Thanks 
> so
> much in advance.



From jwt at OnJapan.net  Wed Sep  8 01:29:38 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:29:38 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail bounces
In-Reply-To: <a06110423bd638dfb13bd@[192.168.0.36]>
References: <a06110423bd638dfb13bd@[192.168.0.36]>
Message-ID: <20040907232937.GF27832@server.onjapan.net>

On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 03:08:11AM +0800, David Cake wrote:
> 	OK, sendmail is bouncing with
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post listname"
>     (expanded from: <listname at difference.com.au>)

This is trying to invoke the (2.1.x) program called mailman.

>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 550 5.7.1 "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post vampire"... Cannot 
> mail directly to programs
[...]
> - and /etc/mail/smrsh does definitely contain a link to the appropriate file
> legba:/etc/mail# ls -l smrsh/
> total 0
> lrwxr-xr-x  1 root root 26 Sep  5  2002 mail.local -> 
> /usr/lib/sm.bin/mail.locallrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 29 Sep 26  2003 
> mailman -> /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailmanlrwxr-xr-x  1 root root 17 
> Sep 15  2002 procmail -> /usr/bin/procmail
> lrwxr-xr-x  1 root root 17 Sep  5  2002 vacation -> /usr/bin/vacation
> lrwxr-xr-x  1 root root 29 Sep 15  2002 wrapper -> 
> /usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper

This list of smrsh approved programs includes the old 'wrapper'
program, but doesn't appear to mention the 'mailman' program.
It looks like you are missing a symbolic link from
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman to /etc/smrsh/mailman

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From stephen at xemacs.org  Wed Sep  8 03:58:16 2004
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:58:16 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Successful Panther (MacOS X 10.3) installation
In-Reply-To: <20040831183152.6479A1E4002@bag.python.org>
	(macangels@spamcop.net's
	message of "Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:31:51 +0100")
References: <20040831183152.6479A1E4002@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <87k6v5y11j.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "macangels" == <macangels at spamcop.net> writes:

    macangels> I really get sick of Apple when they make a hullabaloo
    macangels> about " woo-woo " Open Source software and then ditch
    macangels> their clients with no support for it afterwards.

But this is exactly what open source is about: we support each other.
For products like Mailman, it's "cheaper, faster, better---pick any
three."

In some sense, finding products with active user communities and
delegating support to them is exactly what Apple should do.  Add some
very generic support services like helping you find the appropriate
mailing lists/newsgroups for each application.  In particular cases,
provide high-quality support internally for a "flagship" product.

What Apple think they're doing with Server, I don't know.  It doesn't
make sense to me to trumpet open source and then not provide source
for server subsystems, especially those like Mailman that are clearly
3rd party cake with a little Apple-flavored frosting.

    macangels> You know, for a few dollars more, they could have made
    macangels> this a truly Apple experience,

Sure, but there is an infinite supply of "a few dollars more would
make it a truly Apple experience" tasks, but only a finite number of
dollars/developer hours.  The point of open source is that those
dollars or hours don't have to come from Apple, at least not for the
showstoppers.

Anyway, it sounds to me like the thing to do here is to find out how
to rip the Apple-provided version of Mailman out of Server so that you
can safely install the upstream version.  Put that in the FAQ, submit
it to Apple's knowledge base (not that I expect them to add it ;-),
along with Peter's description of how to install Mailman if the system
is not pre-corrupted with Apple's version.


-- 
Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences     http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
               Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.


From ramdak5000 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  8 07:43:37 2004
From: ramdak5000 at yahoo.com (Ram Dak)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:43:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allowing HTML?
Message-ID: <20040908054337.52675.qmail@web50802.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all,

On the membership list page, I find a checkbox that
says 'plain' and is checked for all members of my
list. Will removing the checks here allow list members
to send HTML emails or should this be done elsewhere?

Thanks,
Ramdak


		
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From marty at docexam.com.au  Wed Sep  8 12:52:57 2004
From: marty at docexam.com.au (Martin Williams)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:52:57 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cannot login to view archives
Message-ID: <20040908105257.GB11217@halcyon.docexam.com.au>

hi and thanks in advance..

once logged in to view private archives, i click on a
thread and get prompted to log in again.

does anyone have any suggestions?

thanks again
martin williams


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Sep  8 13:02:37 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:02:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cannot login to view archives
In-Reply-To: <20040908105257.GB11217@halcyon.docexam.com.au>
References: <20040908105257.GB11217@halcyon.docexam.com.au>
Message-ID: <p060020fdbd64970edae4@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:52 PM +1000 2004-09-08, Martin Williams wrote:

>  once logged in to view private archives, i click on a
>  thread and get prompted to log in again.
>
>  does anyone have any suggestions?

	Maybe your browser is not configured to allow cookies?

	Otherwise, I recommend going to the FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and searching for related 
subjects.  You may be particularly interested in FAQ 4.45.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From nstazew1 at swarthmore.edu  Wed Sep  8 16:11:11 2004
From: nstazew1 at swarthmore.edu (Nathan K. Stazewski)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:11:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email bouncing back to sender...(part deux)...
In-Reply-To: <CE1514E0-0125-11D9-BEFC-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <006101c495ad$b19c0710$84523a82@Garnet.Swarthmore.edu>

We have mailman running again today...and back to the same old
thing...accepting only our campus mail and aol...no one else (for the
first time in history aol is working when other stuff isn't).  I was
wondering how I can tell if the host name has changed.  I have no idea
what is was, and even if I found the new host name, I wouldn't know
where to change it.  You mention a config file for mailman...what's the
name of the file?  Also, messages are NOT being bounced.  They are
coming in (our IT person sees them going into postfix and being handed
to mailman)...and it's there that we lose them.  I'm currently looking
through logs, but I thought I'd send this much of an update.  Thanks for
all the help so far.

__________________________________

Nathan K. Stazewski
Assistant Director
Alumni Relations
Swarthmore College
Swarthmore PA  19081
610-957-6103
Fax:  610-328-7796
www.swarthmore.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:30 PM
To: Nathan K. Stazewski
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email bouncing back to sender...(part
deux)...

On 7 Sep 2004, at 18:30, Nathan K. Stazewski wrote:

> OK, yesterday I asked about why our mailman client wasn't accepting 
> emails.
> The problem was that the physical computer had been moved, so it had
> attained a new IP and port 25 was being blocked at that IP by our 
> firewall.
> Our IT has since changed the directing, and it seems that everything
is
> directing to the new IP and the port can now be telnetted to, so I 
> figure
> that must be working.  What else needs to be changed though?

If the hostname is still the same then you may not need to change the 
Mailman config file.

>  Right
> afterward these changes had been made, I was able to send emails from 
> on our
> campus and they went through.  Then I tried to send from AOL.went
> through.tried from hotmail and another college's server.neither shows 
> up and
> they're not pending.  After sending about 15 test emails.all emails 
> stopped
> coming through.no matter where I send them from.  Is there anything on

> the
> Mac that I need to change since the IP is different?

What has changed hostname or its IP number? Which of either or both?

>  I was told that I
> needed an MX record published, and I have never even heard of this.

An MX DNS record is not strictly necessary if the machine concerned has 
a public IP number and an DNS A record is published for it, which it 
is. I have now been able to telnet to port 25 on 
alumni-office.swarthmore.edu from outside your domain which was not 
possible before.

>  I
> googled it and got the gist of it.but haven't a clue if I still need 
> to do
> that after other stuff was fixed.  I apologize for my ignorance.but 
> this is
> being run from a Mac and the only person that had anything to do with 
> this
> listserv no longer works here, so all I know is that it's a Mailman 
> client
> using postfix.
>

If these message that you are talking about are not being bounced then 
you need to try and see what is being recorded by the machine's MTA in 
its log (maybe /var/mail/log) and in the Mailman server's logs (sorry I 
do not know where they are stored on a MacOS X installation). The MTA 
log may say whether or not the messages are being received and 
delivered to Mailman or not. The Mailman logs may give some idea of the 
disposition of the messages; take a look at the post, smtp, 
smtp-failure and vette logs. You are looking to see if you can track 
incoming messages to the MTA->to Mailman->back out via the MTA. You 
also want to look in the Mailman qfiles/* subdirectories which may show 
whether files are being trapped in a queue for some reason.

If these new messages are being bounced then what does the bounce 
message say?

Maybe someone else here with MacOS X experience can advise on possible 
problems/causes/things to look for which are Mac'ish.

>
> Again.the server in question is alumni-office.swarthmore.edu.  Thanks 
> so
> much in advance.



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep  8 16:26:44 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 07:26:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allowing HTML?
In-Reply-To: <20040908054337.52675.qmail@web50802.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409080726440984e44ff6c4@msapiro>

Ram Dak wrote:

>On the membership list page, I find a checkbox that
>says 'plain' and is checked for all members of my
>list. Will removing the checks here allow list members
>to send HTML emails or should this be done elsewhere?

Elsewhere (Content Filtering). The option on the membership list page
controls whether a member who receives digests receives them as one
plain text message or as a multipart MIME format message with each
digested message as a separate part. It has no effect if the member is
not receiving digests.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep  8 16:29:09 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 07:29:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cannot login to view archives
In-Reply-To: <20040908105257.GB11217@halcyon.docexam.com.au>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409080729090984e44ff6a1@msapiro>

Martin Williams 
>once logged in to view private archives, i click on a
>thread and get prompted to log in again.
>
>does anyone have any suggestions?

Accept cookies.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From bsimbeck at pcosupport.org  Wed Sep  8 16:52:37 2004
From: bsimbeck at pcosupport.org (Branden Simbeck)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:52:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Connecting Mailman to my site
In-Reply-To: <20040908100116.E0F411E4009@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <20040908145239.JNEE24594.out001.verizon.net@BrandenLaptop>

I am running apache and I am trying to get my site to show the mailman pages
and things. How do I do this? I am running apache with multiple sites. I am
having a hard time with the installation documentation. I tried changing the
aspects of httpd.conf file associated with that site but I get a HTTP 500
error.

Thanks,

Branden
-----------------------
Branden Simbeck
Director, Information Technology
Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome Association
www.pcosupport.org
Phone: (724) 449-0237



From shawn at brocku.ca  Wed Sep  8 17:04:08 2004
From: shawn at brocku.ca (Shawn Marriott)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 11:04:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Associating a name with an email during a mass
	subscription
Message-ID: <413F1F68.9070607@brocku.ca>

Hello,

Is there any way to associate a name with an email address during a mass 
subscription?

-Shawn
-----------------
Shawn Marriott
Brock University


From dave at difference.com.au  Wed Sep  8 16:33:06 2004
From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:33:06 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail bounces
In-Reply-To: <20040907232937.GF27832@server.onjapan.net>
References: <a06110423bd638dfb13bd@[192.168.0.36]>
	<20040907232937.GF27832@server.onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <a06110420bd64bb35d258@[192.168.0.36]>

At 8:29 AM +0900 8/9/04, Jim Tittsler wrote:
>On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 03:08:11AM +0800, David Cake wrote:
>>	OK, sendmail is bouncing with
>>     ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>>  "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post listname"
>>      (expanded from: <listname at difference.com.au>)
>
>This is trying to invoke the (2.1.x) program called mailman.

	True.

>This list of smrsh approved programs includes the old 'wrapper'
>program, but doesn't appear to mention the 'mailman' program.
>It looks like you are missing a symbolic link from
>/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman to /etc/smrsh/mailman

	Well, I had a link to /var/lib rather than /usr/lib.

but more to the point
At 3:08 AM +0800 8/9/04, David Cake wrote:
>	It also seems to be happening despite me turning smrsh of in 
>sendmail.mc etc.

	And indeed it doesn't appear to have anything to do with smrsh.

	Any more ideas?
	Regards
		David




From john at wa9als.com  Wed Sep  8 17:23:35 2004
From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:23:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] www.domain.com vs domain.com
Message-ID: <007501c495b7$cf03c0e0$2201a8c0@105.56.105>

Newbie here - Mailman working fine, but my lists only show when viewing
domain.com and not when viewing www.domain.com.  My DNS is OK, and virtual
host is setup with either type of reference.  (My other website stuff is
viewable with or without the www).

Where/how to indicate that either URL reference do the same thing?
Thanks!  - John



From mdiehl at diehlnet.com  Wed Sep  8 17:52:46 2004
From: mdiehl at diehlnet.com (Mike Diehl (Encrypted email preferred))
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:52:46 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gpg to each subscriber?
Message-ID: <200409080952.55526.mdiehl@diehlnet.com>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Is there any way to have mailman/exim/whatever gpg encrypt email going to 
mailing list subscribers?

TIA.
- -- 
Mike
gpg key: http://diehlnet.com/~mdiehl/mdiehl.asc
83AD D927 758D 4BFC A800 0277 4B26 75A4 F0D1 C7EB

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iD8DBQFBPyrTSyZ1pPDRx+sRAgz+AKDKJPv3Y+ik7WVmfBSYGQQP2fxszwCeNZL3
ZB711b9mCHVlaBMGn/+M6Ek=
=FVK8
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From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Sep  8 17:46:35 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:46:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gpg to each subscriber?
In-Reply-To: <200409080952.55526.mdiehl@diehlnet.com>
References: <200409080952.55526.mdiehl@diehlnet.com>
Message-ID: <p06002008bd64d9a97731@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:52 AM -0600 2004-09-08, Mike Diehl (Encrypted email preferred) wrote:

>  Is there any way to have mailman/exim/whatever gpg encrypt email going to
>  mailing list subscribers?

	In the standard version of Mailman?  No.  Have you checked the 
list of patches on the Mailman project page at SourceForge, to see if 
anyone else has uploaded patches to perform this function?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From dave at difference.com.au  Wed Sep  8 17:53:47 2004
From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 23:53:47 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail bounces
In-Reply-To: <a06110420bd64bb35d258@[192.168.0.36]>
References: <a06110423bd638dfb13bd@[192.168.0.36]>
	<20040907232937.GF27832@server.onjapan.net>
	<a06110420bd64bb35d258@[192.168.0.36]>
Message-ID: <a06110429bd64daf4432b@[192.168.0.36]>

	The only error I seem to be getting is
dangerous permissions=42755 on queue directory /var/spool/mqueue-client/
	which I can't seem how to turn off - I'm not even sure why 
its there are all, given that dir is not group or world writable - or 
how to turn off this warning with DontBlameSendmail
	Thanks In Advance
	Regards
		David

(DontBlameSendmail? I want to go round to Eric Allmans house and slap him)


From cstalberg at verizon.net  Wed Sep  8 18:13:10 2004
From: cstalberg at verizon.net (Christian Stalberg)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:13:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 install on Fedora Core 2 failure
References: <a06110423bd638dfb13bd@[192.168.0.36]><20040907232937.GF27832@server.onjapan.net><a06110420bd64bb35d258@[192.168.0.36]>
	<a06110429bd64daf4432b@[192.168.0.36]>
Message-ID: <2b5001c495be$bc120940$2f80050a@FAS57977>

Trying to install mailman 2.1.5 on RH Linux Fedora Core 2 on 
Pentium IV server. When I run 'make install' I get the following
error:

Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ...
Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 46, in ?
    import paths
  File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/paths.py", line 59, in ?
    import korean
ImportError: No module named korean
make: *** [update] Error 1

For what its worth, I don't need the Korean module anyway. Any 
help would be appreciated. Thanks!



From mdiehl at diehlnet.com  Wed Sep  8 18:29:05 2004
From: mdiehl at diehlnet.com (Mike Diehl (Encrypted email preferred))
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:29:05 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gpg to each subscriber?
In-Reply-To: <p06002008bd64d9a97731@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <200409080952.55526.mdiehl@diehlnet.com>
	<p06002008bd64d9a97731@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <200409081029.18731.mdiehl@diehlnet.com>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On Wednesday 08 September 2004 09:46 am, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 9:52 AM -0600 2004-09-08, Mike Diehl (Encrypted email preferred) wrote:
> >  Is there any way to have mailman/exim/whatever gpg encrypt email going
> > to mailing list subscribers?
>
> 	In the standard version of Mailman?  No.  Have you checked the
> list of patches on the Mailman project page at SourceForge, to see if
> anyone else has uploaded patches to perform this function?

Wow!  There is a 3rd party project that does EXACTLY what I want.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/mmreencrypt/

Thanx.
- -- 
Mike
gpg key: http://diehlnet.com/~mdiehl/mdiehl.asc
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From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Sep  8 18:21:31 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:21:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail bounces
In-Reply-To: <a06110429bd64daf4432b@[192.168.0.36]>
References: <a06110423bd638dfb13bd@[192.168.0.36]>
	<20040907232937.GF27832@server.onjapan.net>
	<a06110420bd64bb35d258@[192.168.0.36]>
	<a06110429bd64daf4432b@[192.168.0.36]>
Message-ID: <p06002009bd64e06a0c74@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:53 PM +0800 2004-09-08, David Cake wrote:

>  	The only error I seem to be getting is
>  dangerous permissions=42755 on queue directory /var/spool/mqueue-client/
>  	which I can't seem how to turn off - I'm not even sure why its there
>  are all, given that dir is not group or world writable - or how to turn
>  off this warning with DontBlameSendmail

	The problem could be with a parent directory above this one.  Or, 
it could be with a parent directory of a symbolic link pointing to 
something in this path.  This can be a difficult one to debug.

>  (DontBlameSendmail? I want to go round to Eric Allmans house and slap him)

	Everyone was riding Eric's case because there were so many ways 
that people were finding to break into systems via weaknesses that 
were not directly the fault of sendmail, but through which sendmail 
gave them an attack vector.  He nearly killed himself tightening down 
the security for version 8 sendmail so that this sort of thing was no 
longer possible.


	Unfortunately, there are an infinite number of vendors who ship 
an infinite number of systems that are themselves broken in one way 
or another, and where the extremely strict security model insisted 
upon by sendmail will cause other things to break.

	That's why Eric came up with this option, so as to allow you to 
shoot yourself in the foot (or blow it off with thermonuclear 
weapons), if you so chose -- but he made sure that you would have to 
explicitly configure sendmail to do that, and he made sure that when 
the worst did happen as a result, you couldn't blame sendmail for 
your security breach.


	You do *NOT* even *joke* about slapping Eric without going 
through me first.

	If you want to tangle with me, I'll be glad to meet you in a dark 
alley at an upcoming LISA or SANE conference.  Just let me know when 
and where.

	But don't be too surprised if I bring along a few like-minded 
friends who will be there to make sure that things stay on the 
up-and-up.


	And if you don't like tangling with me, I can introduce you to a 
few other friends of Eric -- in your case, most likely including K. 
Robert Elz, a.k.a., "kre".

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From mlm at kaibren.com  Wed Sep  8 18:38:19 2004
From: mlm at kaibren.com (MLM Subscriber)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:38:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Associating a name with an email during a
	mass subscription
In-Reply-To: <413F1F68.9070607@brocku.ca>
References: <413F1F68.9070607@brocku.ca>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040908123106.030bafc8@localhost>

At 11:04 AM 9/8/2004, Shawn Marriott wrote:
>Is there any way to associate a name with an email address during a mass 
>subscription?
>-Shawn

1) Use Mailman 2.1.5
2) subscribe users as: "namestring" <email at address.com>
"namestring" can be "Joe" "John Smith" "Smith, John" "Pat and Joe Peterson" 
etc.

I also changed the subscribe and update forms and removed the "(optional)" 
notation next to the Name field so users feel obligated to enter a name if 
they join using the web forms.

-mb




From h at mosc.com  Wed Sep  8 20:11:48 2004
From: h at mosc.com (Howard Moscovitz)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:11:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering by file type - is it possible
Message-ID: <413F4B64.4010605@mosc.com>

We recently received a message from a masqueraded user. The included 
attachment was a file of type ".pif". It had a virus which fortunatley 
didn't do any harm.

Our list accepts attachments. Most come in as mimetype 
application/octet-stream. I can't filter out these 
application/octet-stream attachments, but I can identify the filetypes 
we can accept. Is there a way I can filter out messages that have 
attachments with filtypes I don't want?

I could set up a procmail recipe to weed out these messages. Can one use 
procmail with mailman? Any suggestions on how to do that?

Thanks much,
Howard




From madduck at madduck.net  Wed Sep  8 20:16:25 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:16:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.[45]: config.db.last not found
Message-ID: <20040908181625.GB23506@cirrus.madduck.net>

Folks,

I am experiencing a strange problem with Mailman 2.1.[45] (it does
not matter which version I try; I can't try 2.1.3 because it won't
let me downgrade...), and I don't really know when it started. We
had some problems with a server and had to reboot it. Since then,
Mailman does not come up anymore:

  gaia:~# /etc/init.d/mailman start
  Traceback (most recent call last):
    File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 122, in ?
      main()
    File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 94, in main
      mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
    File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__
      self.Load()
    File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 609, in Load
      raise Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError, e
  Mailman.Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/adapt/config.db.last'
  Site list for mailman (usually named mailman) missing
  Please create it; until then, mailman will refuse to start

The file does not exist, since Mailman is using .pck files by now
(as stated in the check_db source code):

  It's okay if any of these are missing.  config.pck and
  config.pck.last are pickled versions of the config database file
  for 2.1a3 and beyond. config.db and config.db.last are used in all
  earlier versions, and these are Python marshals.  config.safety is
  a pickle written by 2.1a3 and beyond when the primary config.pck
  file could not be read.

Why is it still trying to read the .db files? The .pck files are in place:

  gaia:..b/mailman/lists/adapt# ls -la
  total 8
  drwxrwsr-x    2 root     list           62 Sep  6 17:00 ./
  drwxrwsr-x   61 root     list         4096 Aug 30 17:24 ../
  -rw-rw----    1 list     list         4858 Sep  6 12:00 config.pck
  -rw-rw----    1 list     list         4858 Sep  6 09:00 config.pck.last
  -rw-rw-r--    1 root     list           29 Feb 10  2004 request.db

And fix_perms finds no problems.

One thing I did note is that if I look at
/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py:609 where the exception is
thrown, is that the 'else' on line 605 does not really have
a corresponding 'if'. Or am I just getting thrown off by Python's
weird indentation syntax?

I'd be grateful for any pointers.

-- 
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From embrey at hood.edu  Wed Sep  8 20:53:01 2004
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:53:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Replying to a Confirm
Message-ID: <032cb84a0b8cdd49aef915215e327ede@hermes.hood.edu>

Mailman Users:

 

I am using Mailman 2.1.5.

 

Can I redirect a confirm from one list to another? When I reply to a
Confirmation can I change the To address from test-request at domain.com
to test2-request at domain.com?  I have messages that are sent to a main
list which should be redirected to a smaller list. I want to preserve
the From address and the Subject line from the original message. Any
suggestions on how I can accomplish this?

 

Bruce Embrey

Bruce Edward Embrey : Linux Systems Manager 
Campus Email Admin / NETREG : UNIX / Linux Administrator 
Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927

 





From dave at difference.com.au  Wed Sep  8 20:56:47 2004
From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 02:56:47 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail bounces
In-Reply-To: <p06002009bd64e06a0c74@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <a06110423bd638dfb13bd@[192.168.0.36]>
	<20040907232937.GF27832@server.onjapan.net>
	<a06110420bd64bb35d258@[192.168.0.36]>
	<a06110429bd64daf4432b@[192.168.0.36]>
	<p06002009bd64e06a0c74@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <a0611042bbd64e7823493@[192.168.0.36]>

At 6:21 PM +0200 8/9/04, Brad Knowles wrote:
>At 11:53 PM +0800 2004-09-08, David Cake wrote:
>
>>  	The only error I seem to be getting is
>>  dangerous permissions=42755 on queue directory /var/spool/mqueue-client/
>>  	which I can't seem how to turn off - I'm not even sure why its there
>>  are all, given that dir is not group or world writable - or how to turn
>>  off this warning with DontBlameSendmail
>
>	The problem could be with a parent directory above this one. 
>Or, it could be with a parent directory of a symbolic link pointing 
>to something in this path.  This can be a difficult one to debug.

	Oh, joy.
	Its not in /var/ or /var/spool, can't find anything in any 
place sendmail might be using that would link to here.
sendmail -v -d44.4 -bv listname claims its deliverable, and reports 
only a warning (which DontBlameSendmail should have dealt with)
check_perms is happy.
	I really am beginning to run out of ideas.


>>  (DontBlameSendmail? I want to go round to Eric Allmans house and slap him)
>
>	Everyone was riding Eric's case because there were so many 
>ways that people were finding to break into systems via weaknesses 
>that were not directly the fault of sendmail, but through which 
>sendmail gave them an attack vector.  He nearly killed himself 
>tightening down the security for version 8 sendmail so that this 
>sort of thing was no longer possible.

	Yes. I am well aware of what those settings means, and why 
they are called that. I have no urge to blame Eric for any security 
flaws that might result from using them. He must, at least, bear some 
responsibility for the extraordinary difficulty of diagnosing why 
sendmail won't do what it should, though.

>	Unfortunately, there are an infinite number of vendors who 
>ship an infinite number of systems that are themselves broken in one 
>way or another, and where the extremely strict security model 
>insisted upon by sendmail will cause other things to break.
>
>	That's why Eric came up with this option, so as to allow you 
>to shoot yourself in the foot (or blow it off with thermonuclear 
>weapons), if you so chose -- but he made sure that you would have to 
>explicitly configure sendmail to do that, and he made sure that when 
>the worst did happen as a result, you couldn't blame sendmail for 
>your security breach.

	Yes, indeed, I do not. But I can blame sendmail for being an 
overcomplex, incomprehensible, hard to debug, sanity damaging 
nightmare. Which I understand the historical basis for. But 
nevertheless, the frustration is very real, and aspects of sendmails 
design significantly contribute to that ongoing issue, aspects that 
Eric Allman has been known to deride himself.
	Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the pioneering efforts of 
those involved in the creation of sendmail (and .oz.au for that 
matter), but not having to live with certain dubious design decisions 
decades later.
	Just a couple more weeks and my last sendmail server moved to 
postfix. Can't wait. But will I ever get mailman working in the 
meantime.

>	If you want to tangle with me, I'll be glad to meet you in a 
>dark alley at an upcoming LISA or SANE conference.  Just let me know 
>when and where.

	Surely the appropriate when and where for that sort of thing 
is behind the bike sheds after school during junior high.
	Cheers
		David

... I felt very ambiguous about
creating something which I looked at and said "This is a monstrosity
by almost any reasonable definition." - Eric Allman
How did this happen? I should have gotten wise and said, "Wait! 
Something's wrong." - Eric Allman (referring to sendmail config file 
format)




From gaclark at attglobal.net  Wed Sep  8 21:59:20 2004
From: gaclark at attglobal.net (gaclark at attglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 19:59:20 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML and msg_header Option
Message-ID: <20040908195907.B195C1E400B@bag.python.org>

I've searched the archives and didn't locate a definitive answer to this 
question:
 
Is it possible to included HTML in the msg_header Option? I would like to 
broadcast an image with a link to a web page in the header of each 
message.
 
The list of substitutions for this option appear to exclude this capability. I 
suspect that this feature cannot be accomplished without a customization 
that is beyond the scape of administrators woth access via cPanel.

Could someone confirm this or does anyone have a customization to 
accomplish this?

Regards,
Greg



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep  9 00:57:04 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:57:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail bounces
In-Reply-To: <a0611042bbd64e7823493@[192.168.0.36]>
References: <a06110423bd638dfb13bd@[192.168.0.36]>
	<20040907232937.GF27832@server.onjapan.net>
	<a06110420bd64bb35d258@[192.168.0.36]>
	<a06110429bd64daf4432b@[192.168.0.36]>
	<p06002009bd64e06a0c74@[10.0.1.3]>
	<a0611042bbd64e7823493@[192.168.0.36]>
Message-ID: <p06002011bd6538cec40c@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:56 AM +0800 2004-09-09, David Cake wrote:

>  	I really am beginning to run out of ideas.

	On problems like this, I inevitably have to log onto the machine 
and try various different bits of debugging until I finally stumble 
across the problem.  No amount of remote debugging advice I can 
provide is likely to be of much help.

>                                 He must, at least, bear some
>  responsibility for the extraordinary difficulty of diagnosing why
>  sendmail won't do what it should, though.

	Eric has been trying to replace sendmail for many years. 
Unfortunately, he's fighting the inertia of all the systems vendors 
and most of the entire Internet itself.  He never gets the time he 
wants/needs to work on Son-Of-Sendmail.

>  	Yes, indeed, I do not. But I can blame sendmail for being an
>  overcomplex, incomprehensible, hard to debug, sanity damaging nightmare.

	Debugging sendmail can be a bitch.  Eric himself keeps copies of 
Bryan's book around, because even he can't keep the whole thing in 
his head.  This is not entirely his fault.  It has grown over the 
years, and has accumulated a great deal from a wide variety of 
sources.  He's never had the opportunity to do a complete ground-up 
redesign.  Other authors have not had that problem.

>  	Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the pioneering efforts of those
>  involved in the creation of sendmail (and .oz.au for that matter), but
>  not having to live with certain dubious design decisions decades later.

	Believe me, I understand.  I found out about postfix back when it 
was still called VMailer, and Wietse and I were going to be giving 
back-to-back talks at SANE'98.  There are a lot of other programs 
which have a lot of advantages over sendmail.

	Indeed, there are no other MTAs around currently in common use 
which have such a long legacy.  This is both a testament to the power 
of sendmail, and an albatross hanging around it's neck.

>  	Just a couple more weeks and my last sendmail server moved to postfix.
>  Can't wait. But will I ever get mailman working in the meantime.

	For setting small to medium-size mail systems, postfix is the MTA 
I strongly recommend.  It has the most easy-to-understand 
configuration file syntax I've ever seen (which can result in a 
configuration file that is truly useful with just two lines), is 
default secure out of the box, is easily managed and monitored, and 
is just about an ideal configuration out-of-the-box for most mailing 
list type functions.

	That said, sendmail is still more scalable, especially when it 
comes to scanning incoming e-mail for viruses and spam, and with 
proper configuration, it is possible to handle 90-99% of all e-mail 
passing through the system without the messages ever hitting the disk 
(except for those messages being delivered locally).  It takes more 
work to configure, monitor, and manage, but in the long-run, it is 
still more scalable.

>  ... I felt very ambiguous about
>  creating something which I looked at and said "This is a monstrosity
>  by almost any reasonable definition." - Eric Allman
>  How did this happen? I should have gotten wise and said, "Wait!
>  Something's wrong." - Eric Allman (referring to sendmail config file format)

	Eric has also said that he initially felt like he was trying to 
kill a fly with a sledgehammer, and this always seemed wrong to him. 
It wasn't until later that he realized that what he was really trying 
to kill was the elephant on which the fly had landed, and the 
sledgehammer wasn't really a big enough weapon to do that.

	He has spent the entire rest of his life trying to rectify that problem.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep  9 01:08:25 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 01:08:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML and msg_header Option
In-Reply-To: <20040908195907.B195C1E400B@bag.python.org>
References: <20040908195907.B195C1E400B@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <p06002012bd653ed22d11@[10.0.1.3]>

At 7:59 PM +0000 2004-09-08, gaclark at attglobal.net wrote:

>  Is it possible to included HTML in the msg_header Option? I would like to
>  broadcast an image with a link to a web page in the header of each
>  message.

	Header?  There is a msg_header option that can be set on a 
per-list basis, which can include certain pieces of information about 
the list, etc....  But this is not put into the actual headers of the 
message, but merely pre-pended to any message content that had been 
submitted by the poster.  Unfortunately, this has the same problem as 
message footers, as discussed in 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp>.

	You can suppress some of the headers that Mailman adds to 
incoming messages, especially the "List-" headers, which is explained 
at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp>. 
But short of modifying the source code, there is no way I know of to 
add your own headers of this type.

>  The list of substitutions for this option appear to exclude this 
>capability. I
>  suspect that this feature cannot be accomplished without a customization
>  that is beyond the scape of administrators woth access via cPanel.

	Ahh.  CPanel.  Please see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brent_s at mail.blackriver.k12.oh.us  Thu Sep  9 01:27:39 2004
From: brent_s at mail.blackriver.k12.oh.us (brent_s at mail.blackriver.k12.oh.us)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:27:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A problem with seeing my Mailman Admin pages
Message-ID: <56901.66.219.143.84.1094686059.squirrel@66.219.143.84>

I've been having a problem with my Mailman installation, which is running
on a RedHat Linux Fedora v. 1.150 Server.

When creating my initial mailman listserv, it sent a message to my admin
email telling me the URL of the admin page.  When I navigated to the page,
it said it couldn't be found on the server.  I think I was able to
successfully enable cgi on my web server (I did RTFM!), but that might not
be the case. Where else can I look in order to see where the process is
breaking?

Thanks!


From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Sep  9 04:04:59 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:04:59 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.[45]: config.db.last not found
In-Reply-To: <20040908181625.GB23506@cirrus.madduck.net>
References: <20040908181625.GB23506@cirrus.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <A75954F8-0204-11D9-BF18-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Sep 9, 2004, at 03:16, martin f krafft wrote:
> I am experiencing a strange problem with Mailman 2.1.[45] (it does
> not matter which version I try; I can't try 2.1.3 because it won't
> let me downgrade...), and I don't really know when it started. We
> had some problems with a server and had to reboot it. Since then,
> Mailman does not come up anymore:
[...]
>     File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 609, in Load
>       raise Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError, e
>   Mailman.Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError: [Errno 2] No such file or 
> directory: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/adapt/config.db.last'

That means that it was not able to load either your config.pck or 
config.pck.last files, and it is trying to fall back to the config.db 
(or config.db.last) as last resorts.  (In fact your Mailman logs/error 
log should be telling you about this file corruption.)  Your easiest 
fix would be to replace the list configuration with a backup from 
before the server problems.

>   Site list for mailman (usually named mailman) missing
>   Please create it; until then, mailman will refuse to start

This is a separate problem.  You are missing the site list (which as 
the error message says, is normally called 'mailman' unless you have 
renamed it in your mm_cfg file).

> One thing I did note is that if I look at
> /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py:609 where the exception is
> thrown, is that the 'else' on line 605 does not really have
> a corresponding 'if'. Or am I just getting thrown off by Python's
> weird indentation syntax?

Python loops can have else: clauses that are executed if the loop 
terminates normally (no break, return, or uncaught exceptions).  
Python's clear block structure makes that very easy to read.  :-)


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Sep  9 04:09:06 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:09:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.[45]: config.db.last not found
In-Reply-To: <20040908181625.GB23506@cirrus.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409081909060921a887f1bf@msapiro>

martin f krafft 
>
>I am experiencing a strange problem with Mailman 2.1.[45] (it does
>not matter which version I try; I can't try 2.1.3 because it won't
>let me downgrade...), and I don't really know when it started. We
>had some problems with a server and had to reboot it. Since then,
>Mailman does not come up anymore:
>
>  gaia:~# /etc/init.d/mailman start
>  Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 122, in ?
>      main()
>    File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 94, in main
>      mlist =3D MailList.MailList(n, lock=3D0)
>    File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__
>      self.Load()
>    File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 609, in Load
>      raise Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError, e
>  Mailman.Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError: [Errno 2] No such file or dire=
>ctory: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/adapt/config.db.last'
>  Site list for mailman (usually named mailman) missing
>  Please create it; until then, mailman will refuse to start

Just a thought and possibly irrelevant, but do you in fact have the
site list created? You don't say. The list is usually named "mailman"
unless you have assigned a different name to MAILMAN_SITE_LIST in
mm_cfg.py.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Sep  9 04:11:54 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:11:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Associating a name with an email during amass
	subscription
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040908123106.030bafc8@localhost>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409081911540875a887f1c1@msapiro>

MLM Subscriber wrote:

>At 11:04 AM 9/8/2004, Shawn Marriott wrote:
>>Is there any way to associate a name with an email address during a mass 
>>subscription?
>>-Shawn
>
>1) Use Mailman 2.1.5

It also works with Mailman 2.1.4 at least.

>2) subscribe users as: "namestring" <email at address.com>
>"namestring" can be "Joe" "John Smith" "Smith, John" "Pat and Joe Peterson" 
>etc.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Sep  9 04:21:09 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:21:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering by file type - is it possible
In-Reply-To: <413F4B64.4010605@mosc.com>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409081921090140a887eeb5@msapiro>

Howard Moscovitz wrote:
>
>I could set up a procmail recipe to weed out these messages. Can one use 
>procmail with mailman? Any suggestions on how to do that?
>

We pass all incoming mail to our domain through procmail and use
recipes like the following instead of MTA aliases.

# LISTNAME mailman list....
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME$
|sudo -u mailman /path/to/mailman/mail/mailman post LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-admin$
|sudo -u mailman /path/to/mailman/mail/mailman admin LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-bounces$
|sudo -u mailman /path/to/mailman/mail/mailman bounces LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-confirm$
|sudo -u mailman /path/to/mailman/mail/mailman confirm LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-join$
|sudo -u mailman /path/to/mailman/mail/mailman join LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-leave$
|sudo -u mailman /path/to/mailman/mail/mailman leave LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-owner$
|sudo -u mailman /path/to/mailman/mail/mailman owner LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-request$
|sudo -u mailman /path/to/mailman/mail/mailman request LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-subscribe$
|sudo -u mailman /path/to/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-unsubscribe$
|sudo -u mailman /path/to/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe LISTNAME

with appropriate entry in /etc/sudoers

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From bsimbeck at pcosupport.org  Thu Sep  9 04:41:28 2004
From: bsimbeck at pcosupport.org (Branden Simbeck)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:41:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Service Unavailable message
In-Reply-To: <20040908154650.41D6B1E400B@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <20040909024131.ZABB24490.out014.verizon.net@BrandenLaptop>

I am just getting Mailman set up for my organsiation and I have not used
Linux in a while. I have my installation set up and running with out a
problem until I send an e-mail to one of my lists. This is the message I
get:

The original message was received at Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:22:20 -0400 from
root at localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post partners"
    (reason: Service unavailable)
    (expanded from: <partners at pcolist.org>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed)
554 5.0.0 Service unavailable

I entered the correct gid for sendmail, what am I missing.

Branden
-----------------------
Branden Simbeck
Director, Information Technology
Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome Association
www.pcosupport.org
Phone: (724) 449-0237



From richard at endace.com  Thu Sep  9 04:54:16 2004
From: richard at endace.com (Richard Stevenson)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:54:16 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Service Unavailable message
In-Reply-To: <20040909024131.ZABB24490.out014.verizon.net@BrandenLaptop>
References: <20040909024131.ZABB24490.out014.verizon.net@BrandenLaptop>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0409091451280.5447@zhba.rg.raqnpr.pbz>

On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Branden Simbeck wrote:

> I am just getting Mailman set up for my organsiation and I have not used
> Linux in a while. I have my installation set up and running with out a
> problem until I send an e-mail to one of my lists. This is the message I
> get:
>
> The original message was received at Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:22:20 -0400 from
> root at localhost
>
>   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post partners"
>    (reason: Service unavailable)
>    (expanded from: <partners at pcolist.org>)
>
>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed)
> 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
>
> I entered the correct gid for sendmail, what am I missing.

Your Sendmail installation (you don't say which flavour of GNU/Linux 
you're using) uses smrsh.  If you're using Redhat:

cd /etc/smrsh && ln -s /home/mailman/mail/mailman mailman

else

cd /usr/lib/sm.bin && ln -s /home/mailman/mail/mailman mailman

I'm not 100% sure of those paths; I hate smrsh with a passion.

HTH

Cheers

Richard



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Sep  9 05:05:21 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:05:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Service Unavailable message
In-Reply-To: <20040909024131.ZABB24490.out014.verizon.net@BrandenLaptop>
Message-ID: <PC17152004090820052105468938fcf7@msapiro>

Branden Simbeck wrote:

>I am just getting Mailman set up for my organsiation and I have not used
>Linux in a while. I have my installation set up and running with out a
>problem until I send an e-mail to one of my lists. This is the message I
>get:
>
>The original message was received at Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:22:20 -0400 from
>root at localhost
>
>   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>"|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post partners"
>    (reason: Service unavailable)
>    (expanded from: <partners at pcolist.org>)
>
>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed)
>554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
>

Visit the FAQ wizard at
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and read section 3) of article 3.14

Also see the section headed "SENDMAIL `smrsh' COMPATIBILITY" in the
file README.SENDMAIL that is part of the Mailman distribution.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From todd at trsoftwaresolutions.com  Thu Sep  9 05:24:07 2004
From: todd at trsoftwaresolutions.com (Todd Ring)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 23:24:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Have messages been sent?
Message-ID: <AJEPIIGLJOMELKINGEOLMEBICCAA.todd@trsoftwaresolutions.com>

Greetings.
Is there a way to tell if the message sent to a list has gone out or not?
I have an umbrella list with several lists below it. The sub-lists show the
sent message in the archive, but I do not get a response from the people
that the message was sent to. (I asked for one).  Is there a way to verify
that the message was sent to the list members?

thanks

TR Software Solutions
Todd Ring
Owner
517-202-2743
todd at trsoftwaresolutions.com




From jwblist at olympus.net  Thu Sep  9 05:30:55 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:30:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML and msg_header Option
In-Reply-To: <p06002012bd653ed22d11@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <BD651C7F.15D29%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 9/8/2004 16:08, "Brad Knowles" <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote:

> At 7:59 PM +0000 2004-09-08, gaclark at attglobal.net wrote:
> 
>>  Is it possible to included HTML in the msg_header Option? I would like to
>>  broadcast an image with a link to a web page in the header of each
>>  message.
> 
> Header?  There is a msg_header option that can be set on a
> per-list basis, which can include certain pieces of information about
> the list, etc....  But this is not put into the actual headers of the
> message, but merely pre-pended to any message content that had been
> submitted by the poster.  Unfortunately, this has the same problem as
> message footers, as discussed in
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp>.
> 
> You can suppress some of the headers that Mailman adds to
> incoming messages, especially the "List-" headers, which is explained
> at 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp>.
> But short of modifying the source code, there is no way I know of to
> add your own headers of this type.
> 
>>  The list of substitutions for this option appear to exclude this
>> capability. I
>>  suspect that this feature cannot be accomplished without a customization
>>  that is beyond the scape of administrators woth access via cPanel.
> 
> Ahh.  CPanel.  Please see
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp>.

There is no need to use HTML if you merely want to include a URL to a web
page.  Email programs knew about links (many like them enclosed in <>,
particularly if they get broken into multiple lines) long before Netscape
foisted HTML email onto the world.

  --John


From jwblist at olympus.net  Thu Sep  9 05:36:29 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:36:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.5 install on Fedora Core 2 failure
In-Reply-To: <2b5001c495be$bc120940$2f80050a@FAS57977>
Message-ID: <BD651DCD.15D2C%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 9/8/2004 9:13, "Christian Stalberg" <cstalberg at verizon.net> wrote:

> Trying to install mailman 2.1.5 on RH Linux Fedora Core 2 on
> Pentium IV server. When I run 'make install' I get the following
> error:
> 
> Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ...
> Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "bin/update", line 46, in ?
>   import paths
> File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/paths.py", line 59, in ?
>   import korean
> ImportError: No module named korean
> make: *** [update] Error 1
> 
> For what its worth, I don't need the Korean module anyway. Any
> help would be appreciated. Thanks!

What version of python is running on the Mailman machine (I don't have Core
2 available, so I don't know what it comes with...or what you might have
upgraded to).

Mailman 2.1.5 requires Python 2.3 or newer.  2.3.3 is nice.

The above may have nothing to do with your problem.

  --John


From msapiro at value.net  Thu Sep  9 05:40:53 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:40:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Replying to a Confirm
In-Reply-To: <032cb84a0b8cdd49aef915215e327ede@hermes.hood.edu>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409082040530000a347cad5@msapiro>

Bruce Embrey wrote:
>
>Can I redirect a confirm from one list to another? When I reply to a
>Confirmation can I change the To address from test-request at domain.com
>to test2-request at domain.com?

You could try it. I very much doubt it would break anything, but since
the post is not being held for the "test2" list, I'm pretty sure it
won't work.

>I have messages that are sent to a main
>list which should be redirected to a smaller list. I want to preserve
>the From address and the Subject line from the original message. Any
>suggestions on how I can accomplish this?

You have asked this question in different ways a few times now, and I'm
still not sure what you're looking for.

My impression is your "main list" is moderated or in some other way the
posts are held for approval and some human wants to manually redirect
a post or posts to the smaller list (whether from the Administrative
Database page or from an e-mail notification, I'm not sure, although
this time it looks like e-mail) in some easy way while keeping the
original From: and Subject: intact.

The short answer is I'm not aware of any easy way to do this in
Mailman. That doesn't mean there isn't one, just that I'm not aware of
one (see disclaimer below).

The longer answer is depending on what tools the human has available
and which of these the human is comfortable in using, there may or may
not be ways of doing this which in the short term at least are easier
than simply returning the post to the OP and asking that it be posted
to the "correct" list. However, this latter method *may* have the
additional advantage of eventually training people to post to the
proper list in the first place, although it has the drawback of making
the human appear "difficult", at least to some.

As an example of what I'm talking about, I might copy and paste the
post into a file, edit the To: so it references the correct new list
(to avoid "implicit destination" issues and confusion among
recipients) and then "sendmail -t <(the file)". Depending on how the
list validates the sender, a -f may be needed too. Some MUAs can do
this kind of redirect too.

Disclaimer - I'm not a Mailman expert at any level. There are people on
this list who know a LOT more about these things that I do.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From jwblist at olympus.net  Thu Sep  9 05:45:02 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:45:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Successful Panther (MacOS X 10.3) installation
In-Reply-To: <87k6v5y11j.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <BD651FCE.15D2F%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 9/7/2004 18:58, "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen at xemacs.org> wrote:

> What Apple think they're doing with Server, I don't know.  It doesn't
> make sense to me to trumpet open source and then not provide source
> for server subsystems, especially those like Mailman that are clearly
> 3rd party cake with a little Apple-flavored frosting.

Thanks to an announcement that many of Apple's mailing lists would be down
Saturday for movement to a new XServe, I was able to rattle a cage as
follows:

>> Apple is updating the hardware and software used to run our lists.apple.com
>> server this Saturday (PDT).  We are migrating our mailing list server to a
>> new 
>> Apple Xserve with faster processors, more RAM, and larger disks.
> 
> Running the rather odd* Mailman installation that comes with XServe, or
> something else?
> 
> --John
> 
> 
> *Rather odd:  Oldish version, modified, unusual installation, and essentially
> impossible for non-Apple people to update.


Unfortunately, I forgot to mention that paying for support does not enable
useful support to happen.

  --John


From msapiro at value.net  Thu Sep  9 05:48:57 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:48:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Have messages been sent?
In-Reply-To: <AJEPIIGLJOMELKINGEOLMEBICCAA.todd@trsoftwaresolutions.com>
Message-ID: <PC171520040908204857042147dc2dde@msapiro>

Todd Ring wrote:

>Is there a way to tell if the message sent to a list has gone out or not?
>I have an umbrella list with several lists below it. The sub-lists show the
>sent message in the archive, but I do not get a response from the people
>that the message was sent to. (I asked for one).  Is there a way to verify
>that the message was sent to the list members?

You can look in the mailman "smtp" log. There will be entries with the
Message-Id: of the message saying how many users it was sent to (there
may be more than one entry per message). Beyond that, you can look in
the "bounce" log to see if mailman received any bounces and in the
MTA's logs to see what the MTA did with the messages.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From madduck at madduck.net  Thu Sep  9 07:40:20 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:40:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.[45]: config.db.last not found
In-Reply-To: <PC1715200409081909060921a887f1bf@msapiro>
References: <20040908181625.GB23506@cirrus.madduck.net>
	<PC1715200409081909060921a887f1bf@msapiro>
Message-ID: <20040909054019.GA6400@cirrus.madduck.net>

also sprach Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net> [2004.09.09.0409 +0200]:
> Just a thought and possibly irrelevant, but do you in fact have the
> site list created? You don't say. The list is usually named "mailman"
> unless you have assigned a different name to MAILMAN_SITE_LIST in
> mm_cfg.py.

Yes, certainly. The installation worked fine before.

-- 
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From acc at anthonychavez.org  Thu Sep  9 07:46:28 2004
From: acc at anthonychavez.org (Anthony Chavez)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:46:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving Mailman to a new IP
Message-ID: <m2llfkf0zv.fsf@pegasos.anthonychavez.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi, all!

I'm currently faced with a somewhat complicated task.

Machine A (hostname x.com) is running Postfix 2.1.4 with myhostname =
mail.x.com, acting not only as the MX for x.com *and* y.com but also (as
you would expect) hosting virtual mailbox maps and domains for the
latter.  I have also been running a Mailman mailing list on y.com for
about a year or so.  I was recently donated machine B and have installed
Postfix and Mailman on it and wish to migrate the list to this new
server.

My goal is to configure Postfix on machine B (hostname to be y.com) to
receive mail as virtual host mail.y.com and eliminate the virtual
mailboxen altogether.  The hard way of doing this would be to try to
synchronize with each post to the mailing lists while DNS changes
propagate.

I'm thinking that it would be easier (and cleaner!) to copy the list
over to Mailman B, configure Postfix A to relay messages for y.com to
Postfix B, and shut down Mailman A.

My questions to you are as follows: 1) is this the best approach and 2)
if so, how is the right way to accomplish this?  My reasoning for asking
the second question is because I cannot afford any downtime for this
move and I need to make sure that it gets done right the first time.

Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!

- -- 
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mailto:acc at anthonychavez.org         jabber:acc at jabber.anthonychavez.org
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From madduck at madduck.net  Thu Sep  9 07:48:48 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:48:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.[45]: config.db.last not found
In-Reply-To: <A75954F8-0204-11D9-BF18-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
References: <20040908181625.GB23506@cirrus.madduck.net>
	<A75954F8-0204-11D9-BF18-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <20040909054848.GB6400@cirrus.madduck.net>

also sprach Jim Tittsler <jwt at onjapan.net> [2004.09.09.0404 +0200]:
> That means that it was not able to load either your config.pck or
> config.pck.last files, and it is trying to fall back to the
> config.db (or config.db.last) as last resorts.  (In fact your
> Mailman logs/error log should be telling you about this file
> corruption.)  Your easiest fix would be to replace the list
> configuration with a backup from before the server problems.

This is the funny part. I have backups from the time when it was
working just fine, but when I copy them into place, they give the
same errors. This is really weird...

Is there any way to uncorrupt the file or figure out what happened
with them? As I see from the logs, it's every single one of my
lists. I don't think this is really a problem with the files, but
rather with Mailman...

I have put two affected lists at

  ftp://ftp.ailab.ch/scratch/mailman-lists.tar.gz

Are they really corrupted?

-- 
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From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Sep  9 09:20:28 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:20:28 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.[45]: config.db.last not found
In-Reply-To: <20040909054848.GB6400@cirrus.madduck.net>
References: <20040908181625.GB23506@cirrus.madduck.net>
	<A75954F8-0204-11D9-BF18-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
	<20040909054848.GB6400@cirrus.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <BA04624E-0230-11D9-9B58-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Sep 9, 2004, at 14:48, martin f krafft wrote:

> I have put two affected lists at
>
>   ftp://ftp.ailab.ch/scratch/mailman-lists.tar.gz
>
> Are they really corrupted?

They both look like "empty" pickles.  Mailman's bin/dumpdb doesn't show 
any objects marshalled in either config.pck (and in fact od says the 
files are full of zeroes).

Is your Python installation (and its cPickle module) healthy?


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From madduck at madduck.net  Thu Sep  9 09:28:42 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:28:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.[45]: config.db.last not found
In-Reply-To: <BA04624E-0230-11D9-9B58-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
References: <20040908181625.GB23506@cirrus.madduck.net>
	<A75954F8-0204-11D9-BF18-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
	<20040909054848.GB6400@cirrus.madduck.net>
	<BA04624E-0230-11D9-9B58-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <20040909072842.GA26817@diamond.madduck.net>

also sprach Jim Tittsler <jwt at onjapan.net> [2004.09.09.0920 +0200]:
> They both look like "empty" pickles.  Mailman's bin/dumpdb doesn't
> show any objects marshalled in either config.pck (and in fact od
> says the files are full of zeroes).

Oh no! This is so weird, and in fact, it's propagated over all
backups. The server had an uptime of about 70 days and most of the
lists were created during that period. It always worked until we
took it down. Now I lost some serious data...

> Is your Python installation (and its cPickle module) healthy?

How would I know?

-- 
martin;              (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
  \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" net at madduck
 
invalid/expired pgp subkeys? use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver!
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 it's a lot better
 if you don't have to fake it."
                          -- seymour cray commenting on virtual memory
 
"but virtual memory still gets the job done."
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From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep  9 09:09:58 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:09:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Have messages been sent?
In-Reply-To: <AJEPIIGLJOMELKINGEOLMEBICCAA.todd@trsoftwaresolutions.com>
References: <AJEPIIGLJOMELKINGEOLMEBICCAA.todd@trsoftwaresolutions.com>
Message-ID: <p0600201bbd65b2022c7f@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:24 PM -0400 2004-09-08, Todd Ring wrote:

>  Is there a way to tell if the message sent to a list has gone out or not?

	Check the logs on your mail server.  It will tell you when 
messages have been delivered to given recipients, although it can't 
tell you when they actually picked up their e-mail and read it.

>  I have an umbrella list with several lists below it. The sub-lists show the
>  sent message in the archive, but I do not get a response from the people
>  that the message was sent to. (I asked for one).  Is there a way to verify
>  that the message was sent to the list members?

	Check your logs.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Thu Sep  9 12:53:43 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:53:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] www.domain.com vs domain.com
In-Reply-To: <007501c495b7$cf03c0e0$2201a8c0@105.56.105>
References: <007501c495b7$cf03c0e0$2201a8c0@105.56.105>
Message-ID: <892555DE5B368CEFBDEAC4B8@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>



--On Wednesday, September 8, 2004 10:23 am -0500 John Fleming 
<john at wa9als.com> wrote:

> Newbie here - Mailman working fine, but my lists only show when viewing
> domain.com and not when viewing www.domain.com.  My DNS is OK, and virtual
> host is setup with either type of reference.  (My other website stuff is
> viewable with or without the www).
>
> Where/how to indicate that either URL reference do the same thing?
> Thanks!  - John

In your web server configuration.

Or, you can configure Mailman to give the www.domain.com address.

BTW, if you are using example domains, use "example.com" - its specially 
reserved for that in the same way that US area code '555' is reserved for 
use in films and so on.

> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/



-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS



From gaclark at attglobal.net  Thu Sep  9 14:25:44 2004
From: gaclark at attglobal.net (gaclark at attglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:25:44 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extracting Membership List
Message-ID: <20040909122549.A05501E4007@bag.python.org>

I am administering Mailman version 2.1.5 lists via cPanel. 

Is there a way to extract a file of members that I could cut and paste into 
the "Mass Subscription" area for another list? 

Also, if such a utility exists, does it have filtering functionality?

Regards,
Greg



From mgoodman at BTBOCES.ORG  Thu Sep  9 14:59:33 2004
From: mgoodman at BTBOCES.ORG (Michael Goodman)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:59:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Post by non-member to a members-only list
Message-ID: <s1401b82.042@main-ec-srv4.btboces.org>

I keep getting bounced messages with the error "Post by non-member to a
members-only list".  The user is not a member of the list but is added
under "List of non-member addresses whose postings should be
automatically accepted ".  I'm using Mailman 2.1.5 and Exim 4.34 on
RedHat Enterprise Linux 3.0.  Any ideas?  How to I troubleshoot this? 
I've looked through the logs and haven't found anything.  Thanks. 
 


From bsimbeck at pcosupport.org  Thu Sep  9 16:22:58 2004
From: bsimbeck at pcosupport.org (Branden Simbeck)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:22:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Service Unavailable message
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0409091451280.5447@zhba.rg.raqnpr.pbz>
Message-ID: <20040909142304.FUYB22385.out006.verizon.net@BrandenLaptop>

Thanks Rich et all, 

I tried what you listed below, and rebooted the server (which is RedHat),
however I am still getting that error message, any other ideas?

Thanks,

Branden

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Stevenson [mailto:richard at endace.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:54 PM
To: Branden Simbeck
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Service Unavailable message

On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Branden Simbeck wrote:

> I am just getting Mailman set up for my organsiation and I have not used
> Linux in a while. I have my installation set up and running with out a
> problem until I send an e-mail to one of my lists. This is the message I
> get:
>
> The original message was received at Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:22:20 -0400 from
> root at localhost
>
>   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post partners"
>    (reason: Service unavailable)
>    (expanded from: <partners at pcolist.org>)
>
>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed)
> 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
>
> I entered the correct gid for sendmail, what am I missing.

Your Sendmail installation (you don't say which flavour of GNU/Linux 
you're using) uses smrsh.  If you're using Redhat:

cd /etc/smrsh && ln -s /home/mailman/mail/mailman mailman

else

cd /usr/lib/sm.bin && ln -s /home/mailman/mail/mailman mailman

I'm not 100% sure of those paths; I hate smrsh with a passion.

HTH

Cheers

Richard





From msapiro at value.net  Thu Sep  9 16:29:06 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:29:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Post by non-member to a members-only list
In-Reply-To: <s1401b82.042@main-ec-srv4.btboces.org>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409090729060015fb5c2235@msapiro>

Michael Goodman wrote:

>I keep getting bounced messages with the error "Post by non-member to a
>members-only list".  The user is not a member of the list but is added
>under "List of non-member addresses whose postings should be
>automatically accepted ".  I'm using Mailman 2.1.5 and Exim 4.34 on
>RedHat Enterprise Linux 3.0.  Any ideas?  How to I troubleshoot this? 
>I've looked through the logs and haven't found anything.  Thanks. 

Is the users address EXACTLY the same as the address in the accept
filter? Note that user at mail.example.com is not the same as
user at example.com.

Are you validating on envelope sender (USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = Yes in
mm_cfg.py)? If so, is this users envelope sender EXACTLY the same as
the address in the accept filter?

If necessary, have the user send you a message in exactly the same way
as (s)he sends to the list and view the message source. Some MTAs will
create a Return-Path: header with the envelope sender address.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From madduck at madduck.net  Thu Sep  9 16:01:28 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:01:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting NOMAIL in bulk
Message-ID: <20040909140128.GA19648@cirrus.madduck.net>

How can I set NOMAIL in bulk? I have a list of address/list pairs
and want to configure them as NOMAIL. I guess this must be possible
with withlist or the like, but I just can't figure it out.

Would you give me a hint?

Thanks!

-- 
martin;              (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
  \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" net at madduck
 
invalid/expired pgp subkeys? use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver!
spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net
 
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ground with clubs and uttering spine chilling cries. anthropologists
call this a form of primitive self-expression. in america they call
it golf.
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From madduck at madduck.net  Thu Sep  9 17:00:00 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:00:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles/in
Message-ID: <20040909150000.GA21788@cirrus.madduck.net>

I have two .pck files in qfiles/in, because the configuration of the
lists was broken. How do I tell mailman to process them regularly?

Thanks,

-- 
martin;              (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
  \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" net at madduck
 
invalid/expired pgp subkeys? use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver!
spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net
 
if it's there, and you can see it, it's real.
if it's not there, and you can see it, it's virtual.
if it's there, and you can't see it, it's transparent.
if it's not there, and you can't see it, you erased it.
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From msapiro at value.net  Thu Sep  9 17:02:54 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:02:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extracting Membership List
In-Reply-To: <20040909122549.A05501E4007@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409090802540000295e6e56@msapiro>

Greg wrote:

>I am administering Mailman version 2.1.5 lists via cPanel. 

Visit the FAQ wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and
read article 6.11

>Is there a way to extract a file of members that I could cut and paste into 
>the "Mass Subscription" area for another list? 

 bin/list_members (see also FAQ article 4.9)

or send a "who" command to the listname-request address (but this won't
show "private" members.

>Also, if such a utility exists, does it have filtering functionality?

 bin/list_members --help

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From shoffman at westervillelibrary.org  Thu Sep  9 17:28:15 2004
From: shoffman at westervillelibrary.org (Shane I. Hoffman)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:28:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adjusting text of confirm message
Message-ID: <775B97088511A84894A977307020D63351A6C4@wpl-exchange01.wpl.lib.oh.us>

My boss wants the the text of the email asking you to confirm your
subscription adjusted, but I can't find it anywhere.  I dug through the
archives...is there a search function for those?...but cannot find
anything.  Can anyone clue me in on where to adjust that text?  I've
grepped the directories and cannot find it...

Shane Ian Hoffman
Computer Services Librarian
Westerville Public Library

Phone:  614-882-7277 xt 114
Fax:    614-882-5962
E-Mail: shoffman at westervillelibrary.org



From OneSunnyJem23 at aol.com  Thu Sep  9 17:56:54 2004
From: OneSunnyJem23 at aol.com (OneSunnyJem23 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:56:54 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problem URGENT!
Message-ID: <111.373100ee.2e71d746@aol.com>

A client of mine (a PR agency) has Mailman for all of their media 
distrubution lists. Today there was a big problem and somehow people subscribed to a list 
somehow sent mail out to it, even though the list is set to only allow mail 
to be sent from 5 designated addresses. A lot of people were not happy, thus 
they kept replying and thus more mail was getting sent out through the list.

I went through and checked the list settings, and I'm 99% sure I have things 
right. I have 5 admin email addresses and set replies to go to the poster. Am 
I missing something?

I set-up a test list, using all of the same settings as the other lists, and 
was able to send mail to the test list from an address subscribed to it even 
though it is not an admin email address. I replied to it and that mail got 
through, too. When trying to send from an address not subscribed and not an admin, 
it was rejected - which is good.

Can someone tell me if I am missing something? I need to set the lists so 
ONLY the admin addresses can send to the lists and no one else.

Thanks!
    








From madduck at madduck.net  Thu Sep  9 18:27:23 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:27:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regular expressions in whitelists
Message-ID: <20040909162723.GA25990@cirrus.madduck.net>

I promise, I searched the web for this, but all I could find was
information that I am doing this right. I am trying to get a CVS
commits list to accept mails from our CVS domain, using the
following regexp:

  ^[^@]+ at cvs\.ailab.\.ch$

However, this is not matching, I still have to moderate the posts,
which is very annoying. Could you please tell me what I am doing
wrong?

Thanks,

-- 
martin;              (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
  \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" net at madduck
 
invalid/expired pgp subkeys? use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver!
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 no straight thing was ever made."
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From msapiro at value.net  Thu Sep  9 18:40:48 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:40:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problem URGENT!
In-Reply-To: <111.373100ee.2e71d746@aol.com>
Message-ID: <PC17152004090909404804686c05b024@msapiro>

OneSunnyJem23 at aol.com wrote:
>
>Can someone tell me if I am missing something? I need to set the lists so 
>ONLY the admin addresses can send to the lists and no one else.
>

Visit the FAQ wizard at
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and read article 3.11

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Sep  9 18:42:05 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:42:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adjusting text of confirm message
In-Reply-To: <775B97088511A84894A977307020D63351A6C4@wpl-exchange01.wpl.lib.oh.us>
Message-ID: <PC17152004090909420503596c05af8c@msapiro>

Shane I. Hoffman wrote:

>I dug through the
>archives...is there a search function for those?

>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Sep  9 19:04:42 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:04:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adjusting text of confirm message
In-Reply-To: <775B97088511A84894A977307020D63351A6C4@wpl-exchange01.wpl.lib.oh.us>
Message-ID: <PC17152004090910044200468d68b998@msapiro>

Shane I. Hoffman wrote:
>
>My boss wants the the text of the email asking you to confirm your
>subscription adjusted, but I can't find it anywhere.  I dug through the
>archives...is there a search function for those?...but cannot find
>anything.  Can anyone clue me in on where to adjust that text?  I've
>grepped the directories and cannot find it...

 mailman/templates/en/verify.txt assuming you want english.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From madduck at madduck.net  Thu Sep  9 20:49:11 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:49:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.[45]: config.db.last not found
In-Reply-To: <20040909072842.GA26817@diamond.madduck.net>
References: <20040908181625.GB23506@cirrus.madduck.net>
	<A75954F8-0204-11D9-BF18-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
	<20040909054848.GB6400@cirrus.madduck.net>
	<BA04624E-0230-11D9-9B58-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
	<20040909072842.GA26817@diamond.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <20040909184911.GA30620@cirrus.madduck.net>

also sprach martin f krafft <madduck at madduck.net> [2004.09.09.0928 +0200]:
> > They both look like "empty" pickles.  Mailman's bin/dumpdb
> > doesn't show any objects marshalled in either config.pck (and in
> > fact od says the files are full of zeroes).
> 
> Oh no! This is so weird, and in fact, it's propagated over all
> backups. The server had an uptime of about 70 days and most of the
> lists were created during that period. It always worked until we
> took it down. Now I lost some serious data...

This seems to be related to XFS. I am still researching. Will post
updates...

-- 
martin;              (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
  \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" net at madduck
 
invalid/expired pgp subkeys? use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver!
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From lists at lastonepicked.com  Thu Sep  9 20:59:55 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:59:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 30,000 Member List - Python Pickle Performance
Message-ID: <BD65F63B.3A57E%lists@lastonepicked.com>

I am seeing very high CPU usage when sending a message to my list and also
when viewing members in the Web interface.

The list has 30,000 members.

Is this due to the pickle based persistence mechanism used? Can I do
anything to help?

Hunter




From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Thu Sep  9 21:10:54 2004
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:10:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 30,000 Member List - Python Pickle Performance
In-Reply-To: <BD65F63B.3A57E%lists@lastonepicked.com>
References: <BD65F63B.3A57E%lists@lastonepicked.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0409091506290.2891@raysrv1>

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Hunter Hillegas wrote:

> I am seeing very high CPU usage when sending a message to my list and also
> when viewing members in the Web interface.
>
> The list has 30,000 members.
>
> Is this due to the pickle based persistence mechanism used? Can I do
> anything to help?
>

Regarding sending, you'll probably wanna tune your MTA. I had an 11,000
list that affective hung a Sun U10. With some sendmail magic, I was actually
able to get it to handle the load. This included setting up multiple queues
with specifically sized queue runners.

  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
  David Stern                                    University of Maryland
            Institute for Advanced Computer Studies


From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Sep  9 21:27:40 2004
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:27:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 30,000 Member List - Python Pickle Performance
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0409091506290.2891@raysrv1>
References: <BD65F63B.3A57E%lists@lastonepicked.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.61.0409091506290.2891@raysrv1>
Message-ID: <5090AABC-0296-11D9-A383-000D93C23532@plaidworks.com>

yup. It's probably the delivery piece, not mailman. I've run 50,000+ on 
a sun E250.


On Sep 9, 2004, at 12:10 PM, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote:

>> Is this due to the pickle based persistence mechanism used? Can I do
>> anything to help?
>>
>
> Regarding sending, you'll probably wanna tune your MTA. I had an 11,000
> list that affective hung a Sun U10. With some sendmail magic, I was 
> actually
> able to get it to handle the load. This included setting up multiple 
> queues
> with specifically sized queue runners.



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep  9 22:17:07 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:17:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 30,000 Member List - Python Pickle
 Performance
In-Reply-To: <BD65F63B.3A57E%lists@lastonepicked.com>
References: <BD65F63B.3A57E%lists@lastonepicked.com>
Message-ID: <p06002026bd666aa77339@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:59 AM -0700 2004-09-09, Hunter Hillegas wrote:

>  Is this due to the pickle based persistence mechanism used? Can I do
>  anything to help?

	If you're sure it's a Python pickle contention issue, you may 
want to look at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.041.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From phessler at theapt.org  Fri Sep 10 00:01:28 2004
From: phessler at theapt.org (Peter Hessler)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:01:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute
	'append'
Message-ID: <20040909220128.AC65238D0B@gir.theapt.org>

I updated the version of Python that I have, to deal with a security update,
and one of my mailing lists died on me.  I properly stopped mailman (with
`mailmanctl -q stop`), then upgraded Python.  After that, I recompiled
Mailman and started it again.  The rest of my mailing lists are working just
fine, its just openbsd-newbies that is broken.  Searching the archives shows
several other users with similar issues, but no replies.  Any attempts at
using mailman tools to poke and prod at the broken list gives me the same
errors.

OpenBSD -current, using Python and Mailman from ports.  Python 2.3.4 and
Mailman 2.1.5.

$ /usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/update
...
Updating mailing list: sfobug
CHRIS: /var/spool/mailman/lists/sfobug/config.pck
Updating the held requests database.
- updating old private mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
- updating old public mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
Fixing language templates: sfobug

Updating mailing list: openbsd-newbies
CHRIS: /var/spool/mailman/lists/openbsd-newbies/config.pck
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/update", line 780, in ?
    errors = main()
  File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/update", line 670, in main
    errors = errors + dolist(listname)
  File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/update", line 192, in dolist
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 594, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(file)
  File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 567, in __load
    dict = loadfunc(fp)
AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'append'



-- 
Xerox never comes up with anything original.


From bsimbeck at pcosupport.org  Fri Sep 10 00:11:34 2004
From: bsimbeck at pcosupport.org (Branden Simbeck)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:11:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Connecting Mailman to my site 
Message-ID: <39221.128.147.28.1.1094767894.squirrel@www.pcosupport.org>

To expound upon what I said earilier, I was going through the error logs
and I am seeing this error:

Premature end of script headers: listinfo

I have added the directories to my site file without any luck it is
causing either a 500 error (internal server error).

This is an apache web server running on RedHat Linux (I have no idea of
the verison number) hosted through EV1 Servers (if that helps).

Thanks,

Branden
-- 
Branden Simbeck
Director, Information Technology
PCOSA
www.pcosupport.org
(724) 449-0237


From acc at anthonychavez.org  Fri Sep 10 06:02:41 2004
From: acc at anthonychavez.org (Anthony Chavez)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 22:02:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Moving Mailman to a new IP
References: <m2llfkf0zv.fsf@pegasos.anthonychavez.org>
Message-ID: <m28ybieppa.fsf@pegasos.anthonychavez.org>

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> I'm currently faced with a somewhat complicated task.

Doh!!!!  This was supposed to go to the postfix-users list.

My apologies. :-D

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From abbas at mustafacomputers.com  Fri Sep 10 07:40:01 2004
From: abbas at mustafacomputers.com (Abbas Qaizar)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:40:01 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Assistance Required!!!
Message-ID: <008101c496f8$9ffb0320$0600000a@mcnp>

Dear All Mailman Users,

I have just started using this Mailman software. I have not been able to configure it properly. 

My question is:

I have around 2000+ valid Email addresses and I used to send Emails through Outlook Express in different groups but now since I have this Mailman software I want to add all these in my list. 

Do I need to inform all these addresses to subscribe themselves or can I add all these manually in Membership Management myself ????

I had copied all these addresses and sent a Testing Mail but it bounced / returned from 95% of these addresses........... why  ????

Can anybody advise or provide assistance in this regard ????

Just to inform you that I don't want anyone of these addresses to post any message or send any mail to this list. Do advise about this as well.




Best Regards

Abbas Qaizar

Mustafa Computers & Peripherals
Suite 28, Level 12 R.K.Square Extension
Main Shahra-e-Liaquat 
Karachi-74000
Sindh-Pakistan

Tel 092 - 21 - 2400326 / 2437783 

Fax 092 - 21 - 2437783

Website http://www.mustafacomputers.com
Email  abbas at mustafacomputers.com



From heiner at kflog.org  Fri Sep 10 08:34:49 2004
From: heiner at kflog.org (Heiner Lamprecht)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:34:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Assistance Required!!!
In-Reply-To: <008101c496f8$9ffb0320$0600000a@mcnp>
References: <008101c496f8$9ffb0320$0600000a@mcnp>
Message-ID: <200409100834.55003.heiner@kflog.org>

On Friday 10 September 2004 07:40, Abbas Qaizar wrote:
> Dear All Mailman Users,
>
> I have just started using this Mailman software. I have not been
> able to configure it properly.

What does that mean in detail?  Have you managed to create a small 
testing mailinglist?  I would strongly recommend to first play a 
bit around before create the big list as below.

> Do I need to inform all these addresses to subscribe themselves
> or can I add all these manually in Membership Management myself
> ????

No.  The easiest way would be to go into the webinterface and add 
all recipients at once.  You can do this by simply copy all 
addresses into the appropriate field.


    Heiner

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From rhlinux_neo at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 10 10:50:02 2004
From: rhlinux_neo at yahoo.com (Celine Neo)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:50:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Turn off password
Message-ID: <20040910085002.51083.qmail@web90008.mail.scd.yahoo.com>

Hi

How can I turn off the password feature at
subscription level.

Thanks.


		
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From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Fri Sep 10 11:36:43 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:36:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regular expressions in whitelists
In-Reply-To: <20040909162723.GA25990@cirrus.madduck.net>
References: <20040909162723.GA25990@cirrus.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <8372307DDA0DB57F1ED8B4C6@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>



--On Thursday, September 9, 2004 6:27 pm +0200 martin f krafft 
<madduck at madduck.net> wrote:

> I promise, I searched the web for this, but all I could find was
> information that I am doing this right. I am trying to get a CVS
> commits list to accept mails from our CVS domain, using the
> following regexp:
>
>   ^[^@]+ at cvs\.ailab.\.ch$
                     ^
                     |
        +------------+
        |
That extra dot looks wrong - unless you are trying to match multiple 
domains like cvs.ailaba.ch and cvs.ailabb.ch

> However, this is not matching, I still have to moderate the posts,
> which is very annoying. Could you please tell me what I am doing
> wrong?
>
> Thanks,



-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS



From madduck at madduck.net  Fri Sep 10 11:43:30 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:43:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regular expressions in whitelists
In-Reply-To: <8372307DDA0DB57F1ED8B4C6@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
References: <20040909162723.GA25990@cirrus.madduck.net>
	<8372307DDA0DB57F1ED8B4C6@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20040910094330.GA5477@cirrus.madduck.net>

also sprach Ian Eiloart <iane at sussex.ac.uk> [2004.09.10.1136 +0200]:
> >  ^[^@]+ at cvs\.ailab.\.ch$
>                     ^
>                     |
>        +------------+
>        |
> That extra dot looks wrong

Oh my. Sorry for the noise. There's something to be said about "four
eyes see more than two". I am sorry, I stared at this for hours...

-- 
martin;              (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
  \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" net at madduck
 
invalid/expired pgp subkeys? use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver!
spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net
 
perl -e 'print "The earth is a disk!\n" if ( "a" == "b" );'
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From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Fri Sep 10 11:48:00 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:48:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regular expressions in whitelists
In-Reply-To: <20040910094330.GA5477@cirrus.madduck.net>
References: <20040909162723.GA25990@cirrus.madduck.net>
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--On Friday, September 10, 2004 11:43 am +0200 martin f krafft 
<madduck at madduck.net> wrote:

> also sprach Ian Eiloart <iane at sussex.ac.uk> [2004.09.10.1136 +0200]:
>> >  ^[^@]+ at cvs\.ailab.\.ch$
>>                     ^
>>                     |
>>        +------------+
>>        |
>> That extra dot looks wrong
>
> Oh my. Sorry for the noise. There's something to be said about "four
> eyes see more than two". I am sorry, I stared at this for hours...

How did you know I wear specs? @8^)

Regular Expressions, though; they can be a real pig to debug!
<http://www.pairprogramming.com/>

-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS



From madduck at madduck.net  Fri Sep 10 12:33:11 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:33:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated lists -- how?
Message-ID: <20040910103311.GA8453@cirrus.madduck.net>

If I want to set up a moderated list (-announce style) where only
a selected bunch of folks may post and all others get held, how do
I do that? Do I have to set the moderation bit for all non-posters
to true, or is there an easier way?

Thanks,

-- 
martin;              (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
  \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" net at madduck
 
invalid/expired pgp subkeys? use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver!
spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net
 
"and the sea isn't green
 and i love the queen
 and what exactly is a dream?
 and what exactly is a joke?"
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From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep 10 12:40:56 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:40:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated lists -- how?
In-Reply-To: <20040910103311.GA8453@cirrus.madduck.net>
References: <20040910103311.GA8453@cirrus.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <p0600202bbd673521e81d@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:33 PM +0200 2004-09-10, martin f krafft wrote:

>  If I want to set up a moderated list (-announce style) where only
>  a selected bunch of folks may post and all others get held, how do
>  I do that? Do I have to set the moderation bit for all non-posters
>  to true, or is there an easier way?

	Go to the FAQ Wizard page at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and search for 
"announcement".

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Sep 10 13:36:43 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:36:43 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Connecting Mailman to my site 
In-Reply-To: <39221.128.147.28.1.1094767894.squirrel@www.pcosupport.org>
References: <39221.128.147.28.1.1094767894.squirrel@www.pcosupport.org>
Message-ID: <B0709A96-031D-11D9-857E-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

On Sep 10, 2004, at 07:11, Branden Simbeck wrote:

> Premature end of script headers: listinfo
>
> I have added the directories to my site file without any luck it is
> causing either a 500 error (internal server error).
>
> This is an apache web server running on RedHat Linux (I have no idea of
> the verison number) hosted through EV1 Servers (if that helps).

Are you using suexec to control the user for Apache's CGI execution?  
(And if so, are there clues in your suexec log?)  In that case the CGI 
group won't be the Apache group.

If you *are* using suexec, there are some notes at 
http://www.pookey.co.uk/suexec-mailman.xml


-- 
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Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From ritama at ritama.com  Wed Sep  8 10:22:56 2004
From: ritama at ritama.com (ritama)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 01:22:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing Confirmation Pages 
Message-ID: <BD640F70.D53%ritama@ritama.com>

Hi, 

I am new to mailman and am struggling some with the interface. I think the
program is great, I just get a bit lost...

I am setting up an ?Announcement Only? account for email updates from a
local theater group. Most of the people receiving the updates are not too
computer savvy and I want them to have as little interaction with the
Mailman interface as possible to avoid any confusion.

When they fill in the form to subscribe on the theaters website, they get an
email from Mailman to confirm the subscription.

I am trying to edit the info that is displayed on that page to only say:

Confirm subscription Request
Your confirmation is required in order to complete the  subscription request
to the mailing list Idiom. Your  subscription settings are shown below; make
any necessary changes and hit  Subscribe to complete the confirmation
process. 
Or hit Cancel my subscription request if you no longer want to  subscribe to
this list.

When they hit ?Subscribe? I want the next page to read:

Subscription request confirmed
 You have successfully confirmed your subscription request for
"bananas at yahoo.com" to the Idiom mailing list.

My viewers won?t be using passwords or posting or any of Mailmans other
features. 

I just want them to be able to see a simple interface with simple
instructions and info, have a couple of clicks and be done with the process
? not wonder about a password or ?personal options?

I can?t find where to edit this in Mailman ? I tried the Edit the public
HTML pages , but they didn?t seem to have what I was looking for. I looked
on ALL the options and came up with nothing that looked right.

Can I edit this info to read what I want it to?

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, 

ritama

::ritama design::
360.756.2328
ritama at ritama.com
http://www.ritama.com








From erenfro at cox-internet.com  Thu Sep  9 02:56:07 2004
From: erenfro at cox-internet.com (Eric Renfro)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 19:56:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix integration.
Message-ID: <413FAA27.1010700@cox-internet.com>

How could I get use mailman/lists to generate a postfix "route" map, so 
I could have a usable recipient map somewhat similar to what's shown at:

http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2004-01/0207.html

Eric Renfro



From Tattoouk93049668 at aol.com  Thu Sep  9 18:22:04 2004
From: Tattoouk93049668 at aol.com (Tattoouk93049668 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:22:04 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Resetting list admin password if list admin forgot
	password
Message-ID: <147.334ead07.2e71dd2c@aol.com>




From dinasa at bih.net.ba  Thu Sep  9 01:03:14 2004
From: dinasa at bih.net.ba (Di)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 01:03:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator/Owner Email Address Incorrect After
Message-ID: <000601c496a4$e1e43990$66464150@hewletttgwm0o2>




From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 10 17:06:04 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:06:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Assistance Required!!!
In-Reply-To: <008101c496f8$9ffb0320$0600000a@mcnp>
Message-ID: <PC171520040910080604090628cf71ae@msapiro>

Abbas Qaizar wrote:
>
>My question is:
>
>I have around 2000+ valid Email addresses and I used to send Emails through Outlook Express in different groups but now since I have this Mailman software I want to add all these in my list. 
>
>Do I need to inform all these addresses to subscribe themselves or can I add all these manually in Membership Management myself ????

You can add them in Membership Management->Mass Subscription.

>I had copied all these addresses and sent a Testing Mail but it bounced / returned from 95% of these addresses........... why  ????

Good Question. You can set your Bounce processing options so the first
bounce results in a disable and Mailman notifies you. Then you'll see
the bounce message.

>Can anybody advise or provide assistance in this regard ????
>
>Just to inform you that I don't want anyone of these addresses to post any message or send any mail to this list. Do advise about this as well.
>

Visit the FAQ wizard at
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and read article 3.11

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From anoop.atre at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 17:11:39 2004
From: anoop.atre at gmail.com (Anoop Atre)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:11:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing Confirmation Pages
In-Reply-To: <BD640F70.D53%ritama@ritama.com>
References: <BD640F70.D53%ritama@ritama.com>
Message-ID: <baa3e222040910081117dff97b@mail.gmail.com>

> I am setting up an ?Announcement Only? account for email updates from a
> local theater group. Most of the people receiving the updates are not too
> computer savvy and I want them to have as little interaction with the
> Mailman interface as possible to avoid any confusion.

Would just setting the list to require YOUR approval for new
subscriptions work? Then your users don't need to confirm their
subscription (more work for you though).

--------
Privacy options...
 What steps are required for subscription?
  Require approval
--------

As for removing the password requirement when people subscribe I'd
suggest you set up a script for people to sign-up like this >
http://www.modwest.com/help/kb13-185.html

Also look at this thread >
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers at python.org/msg07819.html

~
"Flags are bits of coloured cloth that governments use first to
shrink-wrap people's minds and then as ceremonial shrouds to bury the
dead." ~Arundhati Roy


From nstazew1 at swarthmore.edu  Fri Sep 10 19:15:55 2004
From: nstazew1 at swarthmore.edu (Nathan K. Stazewski)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:15:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] now can't make new lists...
Message-ID: <20040910171555.7417BF022F@cork.its.swarthmore.edu>

Hello all.  Yes, somehow I have gotten our mailman client working again (no
idea how really, but it works again).  I just went to create a new alias
(which I've done before), and now it's saying "Error: You are not authorized
to create new mailing lists".  I of course went and googled this and found a
few questions about it, but no real answers.  One person said you can't do
it from the web client with this version of mailman (2.1), but I know that
to be wrong, as I did it before we moved the computer to this new location.
Has anyone else ever seen this?  I am afraid that it might be a permissions
thing, as a few permissions were changed and changed back while
troubleshooting the last problems.  Unfortunately it could be that a
permission was missed.  Thanks in advance.  This listserv has been immensely
helpful every time I've posted.

 

_______________________

Nate

 



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 10 20:08:00 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:08:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] now can't make new lists...
In-Reply-To: <20040910171555.7417BF022F@cork.its.swarthmore.edu>
Message-ID: <PC171520040910110800031228cf6f58@msapiro>

Nathan K. Stazewski wrote:

>Hello all.  Yes, somehow I have gotten our mailman client working again (no
>idea how really, but it works again).  I just went to create a new alias
>(which I've done before), and now it's saying "Error: You are not authorized
>to create new mailing lists".  I of course went and googled this and found a
>few questions about it, but no real answers.  One person said you can't do
>it from the web client with this version of mailman (2.1), but I know that
>to be wrong, as I did it before we moved the computer to this new location.
>Has anyone else ever seen this?  I am afraid that it might be a permissions
>thing, as a few permissions were changed and changed back while
>troubleshooting the last problems.  Unfortunately it could be that a
>permission was missed.  Thanks in advance.  This listserv has been immensely
>helpful every time I've posted.

You need to provide an authorized password. Only the site password or
the list creator password (if any) will work. Quoting from the create
page "You must have the proper authorization to create new mailing
lists. Each site should have a list creator's password, which you can
enter in the field at the bottom. Note that the site administrator's
password can also be used for authentication."

See also
  bin/mmsitepass --help

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Fri Sep 10 21:56:37 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:56:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to allow anyone to send to a list
Message-ID: <cht0tk$f28$1@sea.gmane.org>

I am new to MailMan, but not new to MLM (was a Lsoft Listserv postmaster 
for a few years).

I have alot of questions, but this one is the most urgent:  I was able 
to get mm installed and running and everything seems kosher.  However, 
all of the lists seem to be set to Send=Private (in Listserv terms).

How do I set them to Send= Public so that the messages from 
non-subscribed members still get distributed?


-- 

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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chris-barnes at tamu.edu                Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes 





From phessler at theapt.org  Fri Sep 10 22:07:07 2004
From: phessler at theapt.org (Peter Hessler)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:07:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute
	'append'
In-Reply-To: <20040909220128.AC65238D0B@gir.theapt.org>
References: <20040909220128.AC65238D0B@gir.theapt.org>
Message-ID: <20040910200711.A1DFD38D0A@gir.theapt.org>

Anyone?

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:01:28 -0700
Peter Hessler <phessler at theapt.org> wrote:

:I updated the version of Python that I have, to deal with a security
:update, and one of my mailing lists died on me.  I properly stopped mailman
:(with`mailmanctl -q stop`), then upgraded Python.  After that, I recompiled
:Mailman and started it again.  The rest of my mailing lists are working
:just fine, its just openbsd-newbies that is broken.  Searching the archives
:shows several other users with similar issues, but no replies.  Any
:attempts at using mailman tools to poke and prod at the broken list gives
:me the same errors.
:
:OpenBSD -current, using Python and Mailman from ports.  Python 2.3.4 and
:Mailman 2.1.5.
:
:$ /usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/update
:...
:Updating mailing list: sfobug
:CHRIS: /var/spool/mailman/lists/sfobug/config.pck
:Updating the held requests database.
:- updating old private mbox file
:    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
:    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
:- updating old public mbox file
:    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
:    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
:Fixing language templates: sfobug
:
:Updating mailing list: openbsd-newbies
:CHRIS: /var/spool/mailman/lists/openbsd-newbies/config.pck
:Traceback (most recent call last):
:  File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/update", line 780, in ?
:    errors = main()
:  File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/update", line 670, in main
:    errors = errors + dolist(listname)
:  File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/update", line 192, in dolist
:    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
:  File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__
:    self.Load()
:  File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 594, in Load
:    dict, e = self.__load(file)
:  File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 567, in __load
:    dict = loadfunc(fp)
:AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'append'
:
:

-- 
It is not enough to succeed.  Others must fail.
		-- Gore Vidal


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 10 22:17:22 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:17:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to allow anyone to send to a list
In-Reply-To: <cht0tk$f28$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <PC171520040910131722054628cf7058@msapiro>

Chris Barnes wrote:

>I am new to MailMan, but not new to MLM (was a Lsoft Listserv postmaster 
>for a few years).
>
>I have alot of questions, but this one is the most urgent:  I was able 
>to get mm installed and running and everything seems kosher.  However, 
>all of the lists seem to be set to Send=Private (in Listserv terms).
>
>How do I set them to Send= Public so that the messages from 
>non-subscribed members still get distributed?

Go to the list admin pages->Privacy options...->Sender filters and set
generic_nonmember_action to "accept".

You might find it helpful to look at all the list admin pages just to
see what's there.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From alblack at achilles.net  Fri Sep 10 22:19:39 2004
From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black)
Date: 10 Sep 2004 16:19:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to allow anyone to send to a list
In-Reply-To: <cht0tk$f28$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <cht0tk$f28$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1094847534.2099.165.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2004-09-10 at 15:56, Chris Barnes wrote:
> 
> How do I set them to Send= Public so that the messages from 
> non-subscribed members still get distributed?

>From the list administrators web page under:

Privacy Options --> Sender Filters

For the question:

"Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit
action is defined."

select accept and hit the submit button.

For what its worth the list members might appreciate it you are using
demime and some sort of spam tagging with this kind of open list.

al




From Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com  Sat Sep 11 00:36:25 2004
From: Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com (Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:36:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner using 99% of my CPU time?
Message-ID: <OF66C74A9A.0057518E-ON88256F0B.007A55E1@com>

I am running mailman 2.1.5 and postfix 1.1.11.

I tried a few things such as not running ArchRunner (I don't think it was 
ever running in the first place).
I checked the logs such as mail.log mail.err, mail.info and also log files 
in mailman but there was nothing that really showed something obviously 
wrong.
I tried changing my mm_cfg.py to have: QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(5).
I tried changing my /etc/postfix/main.cf to have: 
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550

None of these are helping, and qrunner -r All is still running at 99% cpu 
usage.

Also, the mailing list is actually functioning fine. Everyone is getting 
their e-mail. This is a very small server and I only have one list of 5 
e-mail addresses. Only three messages have been posted so far. There is no 
reason for qrunner to be going crazy.

If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know.
Thanks,
Takahiro






Jim Tittsler <jwt at OnJapan.net>
09/07/2004 05:42 PM

 
        To:     Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com
        cc: 
        Subject:        Re: [Mailman-Users] qrunner using 99% of my CPU time?

On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 12:20:29PM -0700, Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com wrote:
> I don't know why, but qrunner (which I guess is related to mailman) is
> using 99% of my cpu all the time.

Make sure that there is no problem connecting to your mail
server from Mailman.  When Mailman's queue runners have
difficulty connecting (and delivering mail) to the local
mail server, they can consume a LOT of CPU time.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html






From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 11 01:50:03 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:50:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Turn off password
In-Reply-To: <20040910085002.51083.qmail@web90008.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <PC171520040910165003007828cf6e71@msapiro>

Celine Neo 
>
>How can I turn off the password feature at
>subscription level.
>

Visit the FAQ wizard at
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and read article 1.5

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 11 01:51:21 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:51:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Resetting list admin password if list admin
	forgotpassword
In-Reply-To: <147.334ead07.2e71dd2c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <PC171520040910165121068728cf70e4@msapiro>

Visit the FAQ wizard at
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and read article 3.8

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 11 01:52:43 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:52:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator/Owner Email Address Incorrect After
In-Reply-To: <000601c496a4$e1e43990$66464150@hewletttgwm0o2>
Message-ID: <PC171520040910165243071828cf7119@msapiro>

Is there a question here?

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sat Sep 11 01:29:08 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 01:29:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner using 99% of my CPU time?
In-Reply-To: <OF66C74A9A.0057518E-ON88256F0B.007A55E1@com>
References: <OF66C74A9A.0057518E-ON88256F0B.007A55E1@com>
Message-ID: <p06002037bd67e907126e@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:36 PM -0700 2004-09-10, Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com wrote:

>  None of these are helping, and qrunner -r All is still running at 99% cpu
>  usage.

	You read everything at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.041.htp>, 
and all the threads that it links to?

	What's in your logs?  Are you sure you're not having NIS or DNS problems?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 11 03:10:28 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:10:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing Confirmation Pages 
In-Reply-To: <BD640F70.D53%ritama@ritama.com>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409101810280968eea98b44@msapiro>

ritama wrote:
>
>When they fill in the form to subscribe on the theaters website, they get an
>email from Mailman to confirm the subscription.
>
>I am trying to edit the info that is displayed on that page to only say:
>

Visit the FAQ wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and
read article 4.48.

The English text of the confirmation e-mail is in
$prefix/templates/en/verify.txt which can be updated sitewide, per
domain or per list as described in the FAQ article.

The English web text is in $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py (translations
are in $prefix/messages), but note that changes here will apply
installation wide and will be lost if you upgrade Mailman. There may
well be a better way to change this text, but offhand, I don't know it.

$prefix is the path to your mailman installation.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From kclair at serve.com  Sat Sep 11 02:54:40 2004
From: kclair at serve.com (K. Clair)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:54:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricting configuration option
In-Reply-To: <p060020e1bd62cfb91371@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <20040903210218.GJ2907@karl.serve.com>
	<p060020cfbd5e9762ddd0@[10.0.1.3]>
	<20040906234953.GB919@karl.serve.com>
	<p060020e1bd62cfb91371@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <20040911005440.GA399@karl.serve.com>

Is there a template or html embedded in python code that I could edit to
remove the options from the admin interface?

Mainly what I'm worried about is that we are a web host and want to
offer mailman to our customers.  However, I want to restrict some of the
options to protect us.  For example, the message size limit.  
Also, we had a situation where one of our lists had thousands of
held messages, and it caused the qrunner to go berserk, so I'm trying to
think of creative ways to avoid this as much as possible.

Thanks,
Kristina

On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 04:39:23AM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:
- At 4:49 PM -0700 2004-09-06, K. Clair wrote:
- 
- > Hmmm, okay ... is there a not-so-easy way? :)
- 
- 	You can change configuration options in mm_cfg.py based on the 
- defaults in Defaults.py, but beyond that, no.
- 
- -- 
- Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
- 
- "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
- temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
- 
-     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
-     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755
- 
-   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 11 05:47:20 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:47:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricting configuration option
In-Reply-To: <20040911005440.GA399@karl.serve.com>
Message-ID: <PC171520040910204720059410849ac6@msapiro>

K. Clair wrote:

>Is there a template or html embedded in python code that I could edit to
>remove the options from the admin interface?

Not really, but you could look at $prefix/Mailman/admin.py and the
various python files in $prefix/Mailman/Gui/ 

>Mainly what I'm worried about is that we are a web host and want to
>offer mailman to our customers.  However, I want to restrict some of the
>options to protect us.  For example, the message size limit.

This one might be better addressed in the incoming MTA.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From abbas at mustafacomputers.com  Sat Sep 11 08:14:12 2004
From: abbas at mustafacomputers.com (Abbas Qaizar)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 11:14:12 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription ways
Message-ID: <00e101c497c6$917ca3c0$0600000a@mcnp>

Hi All,

How can you invite for the subscription ??

1.............add the email in the membership list manually ???
2.............Invite the person through your website ???
3.............or is there any other way to do that  ??

Just to inform you that I want to manage a one-way list i.e. Announcement list in which members are not allowed to post any messages so please advise accordingly what should I do to turn off / disable all the related features mandatory for a one way list like this.


I want to edit the subscription  page ...........how can I do that ????

Pls. advise for above asap.







Best Regards

Abbas Qaizar

Mustafa Computers & Peripherals
Suite 28, Level 12 R.K.Square Extension
Main Shahra-e-Liaquat 
Karachi-74000
Sindh-Pakistan

Tel 092 - 21 - 2400326 / 2437783 

Fax 092 - 21 - 2437783

Website http://www.mustafacomputers.com
Email  abbas at mustafacomputers.com



From nswizynski at dioceseofcleveland.org  Fri Sep 10 18:41:25 2004
From: nswizynski at dioceseofcleveland.org (Nancy Swizynski)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:41:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sign-up User problem
Message-ID: <BD675175.AF%nswizynski@dioceseofcleveland.org>

Hello,
 I am a new administrator of a Tech Coordinator list-serve that was set up
by the previous person in my position at the Diocese of Cleveland.
Yesterday our main diocese site was down and someone from outside our
network was trying to sign up for my list-serv and was not able to. My
question is if our main diocese website is down does that impact the ability
for new persons outside our network to sign up for the list-serv. If so or
not what can I do to solve this problem. Thanks,
Nancy Swizynski


From bsimbeck at pcosupport.org  Sat Sep 11 17:09:38 2004
From: bsimbeck at pcosupport.org (Branden Simbeck)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 11:09:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] connecting mailman to my site
In-Reply-To: <20040910180817.CCC931E400C@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <20040911150941.CTYN23440.out009.verizon.net@BrandenLaptop>

Thanks for your help but I am still having problems. The suexec_log keeps
telling me that this:

[2004-09-11 11:02:52]: info: (target/actual) uid: (mailman/mailman) gid:
(mailman/mailman) cmd: listinfo
[2004-09-11 11:02:52]: error: command not in docroot
(/home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo)

But from what I can tell it is in the right spot

Thanks again for all your help,

Branden
-----------------------
Branden Simbeck
Director, Information Technology
Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome Association
www.pcosupport.org
Phone: (724) 449-0237



From desi6n at myway.com  Sat Sep 11 17:12:30 2004
From: desi6n at myway.com (desi6n)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 11:12:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe not working
Message-ID: <20040911151230.7174C39F9@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Hello, My email unsubscribe does not unsubscribe peoplefrom the maillist. I have an email link  for people to unsubscribe but when they send the email it does not work. Here is how I have it set up.  Maillist name example: List name - joenews Domain - joe.com To unsubscribe send email to joenews-leave at joe.com  That should unsubscribe the sender of the email but it does not work - any suggestions? Thanks!

_______________________________________________
No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.
Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com


From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 11 18:21:56 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 09:21:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] connecting mailman to my site
In-Reply-To: <20040911150941.CTYN23440.out009.verizon.net@BrandenLaptop>
Message-ID: <PC17152004091109215600155bf8c687@msapiro>

Branden Simbeck wrote:

>Thanks for your help but I am still having problems. The suexec_log keeps
>telling me that this:
>
>[2004-09-11 11:02:52]: info: (target/actual) uid: (mailman/mailman) gid:
>(mailman/mailman) cmd: listinfo
>[2004-09-11 11:02:52]: error: command not in docroot
>(/home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo)
>
>But from what I can tell it is in the right spot
>

I don't really know anything about this so this may be meaningless, but
it looks like it's telling you that it's looking for listinfo in
/home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo. Maybe you can replace that (docroot)
with /home/mailman/cgi-bin/

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 11 18:37:22 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 09:37:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe not working
In-Reply-To: <20040911151230.7174C39F9@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <PC171520040911093722079611c477d2@msapiro>

desi6n wrote:

> Hello, My email unsubscribe does not unsubscribe peoplefrom the maillist. I have an email link  for people to unsubscribe but when they send the email it does not work. Here is how I have it set up.  Maillist name example: List name - joenews Domain - joe.com To unsubscribe send email to joenews-leave at joe.com  That should unsubscribe the sender of the email but it does not work - any suggestions? Thanks!
>

Actually, assuming there is no problem with the joenews-leave at joe.com
alias, that doesn't result in unsubscription. It results in an e-mail
From: joenews-request at joe.com with Subject: "confirm" followed by a
string of 40 hex digits being sent to the subscriber. This
confirmation must be responded to by e-mail or by following a link
contained in it before the user is unsubscribed.

Could the problem be that the confirmation is not being seen for some
reason?

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 11 18:45:01 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 09:45:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sign-up User problem
In-Reply-To: <BD675175.AF%nswizynski@dioceseofcleveland.org>
Message-ID: <PC17152004091109450103596ac14a48@msapiro>

Nancy Swizynski wrote:

> I am a new administrator of a Tech Coordinator list-serve that was set up
>by the previous person in my position at the Diocese of Cleveland.
>Yesterday our main diocese site was down and someone from outside our
>network was trying to sign up for my list-serv and was not able to. My
>question is if our main diocese website is down does that impact the ability
>for new persons outside our network to sign up for the list-serv. If so or
>not what can I do to solve this problem. Thanks,

If people cannot access the Mailman web site, they can't use it to
subscribe to a list. They can subscribe by e-mail either to the
listname-join or listname-subscribe address or to the listname-request
address with "subscribe" (without quotes) as the subject or body.

I don't know if this is your question or not, but if it isn't, you'll
have to be more specific.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 11 19:12:06 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:12:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription ways
In-Reply-To: <00e101c497c6$917ca3c0$0600000a@mcnp>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409111012060828208cfa82@msapiro>

Abbas Qaizar wrote:
>
>How can you invite for the subscription ??
>
>1.............add the email in the membership list manually ???
>2.............Invite the person through your website ???
>3.............or is there any other way to do that  ??

You can send invitations to one or more addresses and/or Name <address>
combinations from the Membership Management...->Mass Subscription page.

You can invite them on your web site with instructions on where to
e-mail a subscribe request or a link to the listinfo page or a form as
described in FAQ article 4.33 (The FAQ wizard is at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py)
  
>Just to inform you that I want to manage a one-way list i.e. Announcement list in which members are not allowed to post any messages so please advise accordingly what should I do to turn off / disable all the related features mandatory for a one way list like this.
>

You asked this question yesterday and I answered. My answer is at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-September/039370.html

>I want to edit the subscription  page ...........how can I do that ????

See FAQ article 4.48.

>Pls. advise for above asap.

Please also read FAQ article 1.22

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Sat Sep 11 19:05:57 2004
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 19:05:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] connecting mailman to my site
References: <20040911150941.CTYN23440.out009.verizon.net@BrandenLaptop>
	<PC17152004091109215600155bf8c687@msapiro>
Message-ID: <alm.20040911190558.22748@gwaihir.akallabeth.de>

Mark Sapiro schrieb:

>> [2004-09-11 11:02:52]: error: command not in docroot
>> (/home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo)
[...]
>
> I don't really know anything about this so this may be meaningless, but
> it looks like it's telling you that it's looking for listinfo in
> /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo.

It is.

> Maybe you can replace that (docroot)
> with /home/mailman/cgi-bin/

Yes, and then recompile.

-thh



From mmlist at mikephillips.com  Sat Sep 11 20:14:39 2004
From: mmlist at mikephillips.com (Mike Phillips)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:14:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Settings
Message-ID: <000d01c4982b$340a9160$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>

I would like to modify bounce settings such that I am notified of bounces immediately instead of a week or two down the road, based on list traffic. The settings are not clear to me. Which settings should I change to achieve this? The settings appear to be interrelated.

Mike Phillips

From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 11 20:32:10 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 11:32:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Settings
In-Reply-To: <000d01c4982b$340a9160$0b01a8c0@6579a4u01>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409111132100015693aae39@msapiro>

Mike Phillips wrote:

>I would like to modify bounce settings such that I am notified of bounces immediately instead of a week or two down the road, based on list traffic. The settings are not clear to me. Which settings should I change to achieve this? The settings appear to be interrelated.
>

As far as I know, there is no way (short of hacking the code) to get
Mailman to send you the bounce messages that don't result in
subscription disables. You might be able to set up your MTA aliases
(or maybe procmail) to copy mail to the -bounces address to you, but
this would be MTA specific and I can't tell you how.

The only thing you can do inside mailman is set the threshold so that
the first bounce causes a disable. Otherwise, you can see the fact
that there was a bounce in the Mailman bounce log, but you don't see
the message.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com  Sat Sep 11 23:01:34 2004
From: Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com (Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:01:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner using 99% of my CPU time? (RESOLVED)
Message-ID: <OF9FD4DC44.6F760E66-ON88256F0C.00734DB5@com>

I figured out the problem. (mailman 2.1.5)

In the qrunner script, I changed it to the following:

        while not loop.isdone():
            for qrunner in qrunners:
                # In case the SIGTERM came in the middle of this iteration
                if loop.isdone():
                    break
                if verbose:
                    syslog('qrunner', 'Now doing a %s qrunner iteration',
                           qrunner.__class__.__bases__[0].__name__)
                time.sleep(10);
                qrunner.run()
            if once:
                break

What I added was the "time.sleep(10)" which pauses the script for 10 
seconds before the next iteration.
Works perfectly. CPU usage down to almost nothing.

Thanks!
--Takahiro





Brad Knowles <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
Sent by: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
09/10/2004 04:29 PM

 
        To:     Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com
        cc:     mailman-users at python.org
        Subject:        Re: [Mailman-Users] qrunner using 99% of my CPU time?

At 3:36 PM -0700 2004-09-10, Takahiro_Horie at nidek.com wrote:

>  None of these are helping, and qrunner -r All is still running at 99% 
cpu
>  usage.

                 You read everything at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.041.htp>, 
and all the threads that it links to?

                 What's in your logs?  Are you sure you're not having NIS 
or DNS problems?

-- 
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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
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From dazoulay at gmail.com  Sun Sep 12 20:12:55 2004
From: dazoulay at gmail.com (David)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:12:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 30 Soekris net4501 - ONLY $225 includes compatible
	wifi card, 128mb SD card,
	special encasing with antenna hole! Value >> $300!
Message-ID: <ac42f932040912111234206cfe@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!

I have been working on a University project where we planned to use
Soekirs net4501s. We already purchased 30 net4501s a few months ago,
however we abandoned the project and now have 30 unused net4501still
in their original packaging.

In addition, we have 30 100% compatible wifi cards to use with the
net4501 (prism 2 chipset). As well as 30 ScanDisk 128mb Secure Digital
memory that fits into the net4501. We also have 30 custom made metal
enclosing for the net4501, that feature a hole to permit the wifi
card's antenna to be stick out outside the enclosing.

I am willing to sell this as a package consisting of the net4501,
128mb SD memory, WiFi card, and the custom made metal enclosinhg for a
MUCH cheaper price then you would pay if you ordered these pasts
directly.

The soekris net4501 features a 133mhz 486 class processor, 3 10/100
MBit Ethernet ports, serial console, and more. The board is optimized
to be used as a firewall or VPN router, but is very flexible and can
do any number of other functions.
See http://soekris.com/net4501.htm for more information. It can run
NoCat, m0n0wall, web servers, many different Linux distributions, many
applications, etc.

The Soekris net4501 with case costs $185 USD alone when purchased
individually. The compatible wifi cards I purchased are 100%
compatible and cost us about $40 USD. The ScanDisk 128mb SD card
memory retail for about $40 on amazon.com -- the ScanDisk brand is
preferred for compatibility with the net4501. This means that a single
Soekris net4501 package costs us $265 USD + shipping costs = well
above $300 USD.

We are only asking for $225 per package (net4501,128mb SD,WiFi
card,special enclosing). We need to liquidate these quickly, so
contact me before somebody else does!

Thank you,
David


From bob at w2ras.com  Mon Sep 13 00:36:08 2004
From: bob at w2ras.com (Bob Branch)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:36:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new-confirmed members getting a "Members Moderator
	Authentication " screen
Message-ID: <LEEDLMPNPEDLPKLKDIGAAECJEPAA.bob@w2ras.com>

I have my privacy options set at "Confirm and approve" on version 2.1.5.
The problem is:
After a new member replies to the confirmation message, they get another email
requesting that they go to an address that is the  "Members Moderator
Authentication" screen, and it asks them for the Moderators password.
I have searched the archives and FAQ for any information on what is wrong but
found nothing.
Any ideas what I have set wrong.

Thanks
  Bob

---------------------
E-Mail: mailto:bob at w2ras.com
Computers, Theater Organs, Geocaching,  Ham radio, Hydroponics, Weaver, and
Dreamer



From msapiro at value.net  Mon Sep 13 01:07:36 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 16:07:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new-confirmed members getting a "Members
	ModeratorAuthentication " screen
In-Reply-To: <LEEDLMPNPEDLPKLKDIGAAECJEPAA.bob@w2ras.com>
Message-ID: <PC17152004091216073605159683f6c7@msapiro>

Bob Branch wrote:

>I have my privacy options set at "Confirm and approve" on version 2.1.5.
>The problem is:
>After a new member replies to the confirmation message, they get another email
>requesting that they go to an address that is the  "Members Moderator
>Authentication" screen, and it asks them for the Moderators password.
>I have searched the archives and FAQ for any information on what is wrong but
>found nothing.
>Any ideas what I have set wrong.

Are you sure that the second message is going to the subscriber? There
should be a second message as you describe, but it should go to the
owner or moderator of the list, not to the potential subscriber. When
you set "Confirm and approve" the subscription request must first be
confirmed by the subscriber and then approved by the owner or
moderator.

Perhaps you are testing and the mail to the owner/moderator is ending
up at the same place as mail to the subscriber.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Mon Sep 13 05:07:52 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:07:52 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering by file type - is it possible
In-Reply-To: <413F4B64.4010605@mosc.com>
References: <413F4B64.4010605@mosc.com>
Message-ID: <41450F08.5000902@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Howard Moscovitz wrote:

> We recently received a message from a masqueraded user. The included 
> attachment was a file of type ".pif". It had a virus which fortunatley 
> didn't do any harm.
> 
> Our list accepts attachments. Most come in as mimetype 
> application/octet-stream. I can't filter out these 
> application/octet-stream attachments, but I can identify the filetypes 
> we can accept. Is there a way I can filter out messages that have 
> attachments with filtypes I don't want?

If you want to strip/pass attachment by content-type header then go to
admin/<listname>/contentfilter page and activate the filter. As most 
viruses fake content-type and send .exe file by image type and so on,
you may want to hold/reject/discard by admin/<listname>/privacy/spam
filter. Then you should try this patch:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1026977&group_id=103&atid=300103

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/



From Euler.Ribeiro at mma.gov.br  Mon Sep 13 13:37:12 2004
From: Euler.Ribeiro at mma.gov.br (Euler Ricardo Rodrigues Ribeiro)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:37:12 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <41455C37.5600.D6D0E3B@mma.gov.br>




From sven.osterwalder at infoklick.ch  Mon Sep 13 14:31:34 2004
From: sven.osterwalder at infoklick.ch (sven osterwalder)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:31:34 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I make a one way list ? :)
Message-ID: <2027289194.1095078694829.JavaMail.comfire@mail>

Hello,
how do I make a one way list? I want, that just one address can send to the list and all others get rejected. How do I do this ?

Thanks & Greetings

Sven



From alblack at achilles.net  Mon Sep 13 15:01:48 2004
From: alblack at achilles.net (Al Black)
Date: 13 Sep 2004 09:01:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I make a one way list ? :)
In-Reply-To: <2027289194.1095078694829.JavaMail.comfire@mail>
References: <2027289194.1095078694829.JavaMail.comfire@mail>
Message-ID: <1095080505.965.32.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi Sven,

On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 08:31, sven osterwalder wrote:
> Hello,
> how do I make a one way list? I want, that just one address can send to the list and all others get rejected. How do I do this ?

What you are trying to configure is called a moderated or announcement
list.  For directions on how to set it up go to:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> 

and search for "announcement".

al




From dave at difference.com.au  Mon Sep 13 15:24:20 2004
From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:24:20 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom header
In-Reply-To: <C875FD93-FCA5-11D8-9427-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
References: <a06110444bd593e65065d@[192.168.0.34]>
	<p06002090bd594da35cb2@[10.0.1.3]>
	<a06110449bd59acacdf20@[192.168.0.34]>
	<C875FD93-FCA5-11D8-9427-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <a0611047ebd6a9865c90a@[192.168.0.36]>

At 3:03 PM +0900 2/9/04, Jim Tittsler wrote:
>On Aug 31, 2004, at 13:42, David Cake wrote:
>
>>	I guess my questions really is 'do the existing per-list 
>>customisation options include any way of changes to the mail 
>>headers beyond what is already accessible from the GUI?'
>>	And, as a followup, if it requires source code level changes, 
>>is there a sane and sensible way of doing these on a per list basis 
>>so my installation remains upgradable? I know python, but I'm in no 
>>hurry to make by installation unmaintainable.
>
>I think the best way to do this sort of thing is add a handler to 
>that list's pipeline that does the processing you want.  If you 
>created a DavidsHeader.py in your Mailman/Handlers directory that 
>contained simply:
>
>#
># DavidsHeader.py
>"""Add a list specific header
>"""
>
>def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):
>     msg['X-Davids-Header'] = 'my header text'
>
>And then add that handler to the pipeline for the list in question 
>(say after the CookHeaders handler) using withlist:
>$ bin/withlist -l mylist
>  >>>m.pipeline.insert(m.pipeline.index('CookHeaders')+1, 'DavidsHeader')
>>>>m.Save()
>>>>{Ctrl-D}
>
>Your list will be processed with the additional handler that does 
>nothing but add a header.

	Apparently, lists do not have a pipeline attribute by 
default? At least, the above code does not work, and I got the 
impression from comments in Default.py that a pipeline attribute was 
something a list could have but usually did not.
	Thanks In Advance

		David


From madduck at madduck.net  Mon Sep 13 15:53:03 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:53:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] create list on subscribe
Message-ID: <20040913135303.GA6259@cirrus.madduck.net>

Hi all,

I want to create a listserv to allow folks to subscribe to single
bugs in the Debian BTS. Instead of creating the 270000 lists up
front, I want them to be created as people subscribe (if the list
name matches a regexp or list of conditions).

I know Mailman better than any other MLM, so I would not mind using
it for this task. However, I am not sure it can do what I want.

If Mailman can't be tweaked into doing this, do you guys know of
a software than can do it?

-- 
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  \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" net at madduck
 
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From chardlist at chard.net  Mon Sep 13 16:25:52 2004
From: chardlist at chard.net (Brendan Chard)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:25:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What does patching mailman overwrite?
Message-ID: <200409131425.i8DEPjNm095645@server5.chard.net>

I have a working version of mailman 2.1.4 but want to install the HTDIG
search for the archives.

I have successfully patched my original build files with the HTDIG patch and
am now at the point where I should run make INSTALL.  I know from the FAQ
that my lists, list data, and mm_cfg.py will not be affected by this
procedure but what about changes I have made to the default web interface
templates and the HTMLFormatter.py file?

-Brendan



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Mon Sep 13 16:28:52 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:28:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] create list on subscribe
In-Reply-To: <20040913135303.GA6259@cirrus.madduck.net>
References: <20040913135303.GA6259@cirrus.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <p06002010bd6b5ef765a5@[10.0.1.5]>

At 3:53 PM +0200 2004-09-13, martin f krafft wrote:

>  I want to create a listserv to allow folks to subscribe to single
>  bugs in the Debian BTS. Instead of creating the 270000 lists up
>  front, I want them to be created as people subscribe (if the list
>  name matches a regexp or list of conditions).

	Ouch!

>  I know Mailman better than any other MLM, so I would not mind using
>  it for this task. However, I am not sure it can do what I want.

	Nope.  At least, not easily.  This would most likely require 
significant code modifications.

>  If Mailman can't be tweaked into doing this, do you guys know of
>  a software than can do it?

	Nope.  Let us know if you find any that can.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From roseli at sel.eesc.usp.br  Mon Sep 13 16:49:17 2004
From: roseli at sel.eesc.usp.br (Roseli Ribeiro)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:49:17 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman - help
Message-ID: <4145B36D.1CB95A67@sel.eesc.usp.br>

Please, I don't Kwon how to do mailman send me an error message, when it

doesn't send a message for all  email addresses of the list. I need to
know
who doesn't received the message.
Thank you
Roseli






From paul.williams at uwex.edu  Mon Sep 13 16:32:34 2004
From: paul.williams at uwex.edu (Paul Williams)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:32:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] senddigests error
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040913091816.019909c8@imap.uwex.edu>

We are running mailman-2.1.1-5 on a Redhat 9 server.

Recently, (I think on Aug 30) we started getting the following error messages


Subject: Cron <mailman at shad> /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/senddigests
X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/var/mailman>
X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=mailman>

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
     main()
   File "/var/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 86, in main
     mlist.send_digest_now()
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in send_digest_now
     ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in send_digests
     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in 
send_i18n_digests
     msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257, in process
     url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 348, in 
save_attachment
     fnext = os.path.splitext(msg.get_filename(''))[1]
   File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 683, in get_filename
     filename = self.get_param('filename', missing, 'content-disposition')
   File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 566, in get_param
     for k, v in self._get_params_preserve(failobj, header):
   File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 516, in 
_get_params_preserve
     params = Utils.decode_params(params)
   File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 337, in decode_params
     charset, language, value = decode_rfc2231(EMPTYSTRING.join(value))
   File "/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 283, in decode_rfc2231
     charset, language, s = s.split("'", 2)
ValueError: unpack list of wrong size



We had a similar problem a couple of months ago and someone
recommended we

Edit /var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py
line 280, changed
         if charset is None or charset == 'us-ascii':
to
         if charset is None or charset == '' or charset == 'us-ascii':

Then I ran as user mailman
    ./cron/senddigests -l on_the_problem_list

This seemed to fix the problem, but now we are getting a similar problem.

Does anyone have an idea what is happening, and how to fix the problem?

If one list is causing a problem, how can you identify which list is
causing the problem?

Thanks,

paulw



From andy.morris at mbproduction.com  Mon Sep 13 22:43:48 2004
From: andy.morris at mbproduction.com (Andy Morris)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:43:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] administrator only send to list
Message-ID: <41460684.70600@mbproduction.com>

Is it possible for only the administrator or moderator to send emails to 
the list or restrict all users from sending to a list?

thanks,
andy morris


From andy.morris at mbproduction.com  Tue Sep 14 00:17:52 2004
From: andy.morris at mbproduction.com (Andy Morris)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:17:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <41461C90.5040207@mbproduction.com>

forget this post, after send the email i did one more search and found 
my answer.

thanks mailman you have a great system.

andy morris


From zzizzle at zzizzle.com  Tue Sep 14 01:56:06 2004
From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com (zzizzle at zzizzle.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:56:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Data Back and Traffic.
In-Reply-To: <20040913221817.050D41E4010@bag.python.org>
References: <20040913221817.050D41E4010@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <7A3B7497-05E0-11D9-8060-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com>

I you accidentally delete your list and archives, is there any way to 
get the data back?  And does anyone know what the limits to email 
traffic are on this system?
Jonathan
Zzizzle.com
Adventures in human happiness.



From d.richards at qut.edu.au  Tue Sep 14 02:04:23 2004
From: d.richards at qut.edu.au (David Richards)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:04:23 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OutgoingRunner Failing
Message-ID: <8bc8b7f2.7f6cd87d.12006c00@mail-msgstore02.qut.edu.au>

Hi all,

I have the OutgoingRunner process failing quite regularly, and this has 
resulted in a build up of mail in the qfiles/out directory.  How do I find out 
what is going on in this process for it to be failing like this?

Mailman version: 2.1.5
Platform: Linux copperhead.qut.edu.au 2.4.9-e.27smp #1 SMP Tue Aug 5 15:49:54 
EDT 2003 i686 unknown  (Redhat Enterprise)

See logs:

Sep 13 17:18:04 2004 (12790) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
(pid: 30230, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Sep 13 17:20:11 2004 (11267) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
(pid: 12790, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Sep 13 17:20:15 2004 (14127) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
(pid: 11267, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Sep 13 17:20:22 2004 (11356) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
(pid: 14127, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Sep 13 17:23:51 2004 (16171) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
(pid: 11356, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Sep 13 17:23:56 2004 (12702) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
(pid: 16171, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Sep 13 17:24:09 2004 (16339) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
(pid: 12702, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Sep 13 17:24:13 2004 (2321) Qrunner OutgoingRunner reached maximum restart 
limit of 10, not restarting.
(pid: 16339, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Sep 13 18:29:21 2004 (20319) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
(pid: 20319, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Sep 13 18:59:32 2004 (3045) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
(pid: 3045, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Sep 13 19:14:34 2004 (9761) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
(pid: 9761, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Sep 13 19:33:24 2004 (18412) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
(pid: 18412, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Sep 13 19:48:36 2004 (7608) Qrunner OutgoingRunner reached maximum restart 
limit of 10, not restarting.

Thanks, 


David Richards
Senior Network Programmer
Information Technology Services
Queensland University of Technology


From msapiro at value.net  Tue Sep 14 02:48:15 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:48:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] administrator only send to list
In-Reply-To: <41460684.70600@mbproduction.com>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409131748150328d1629517@msapiro>

Andy Morris wrote

>Is it possible for only the administrator or moderator to send emails to 
>the list or restrict all users from sending to a list?

Visit the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and read article 3.11

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From embrey at hood.edu  Tue Sep 14 02:52:08 2004
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:52:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Intermittent sluggish delivery
Message-ID: <web-2097593@hermes.hood.edu>

Mailman-Users:

I am running mailman 2.1.5 with sendmail 8.12 on redhat
linux. I've noticed that sometimes messages take an hour to
be delivered while most of the time messages are delivered
in 2-3 minutes. Mailman runs on a dedicated server and
delivers messages to another server that is in the same
physical location. I have also notice a number of messages
are being shunt. Even after running unshunt the messages
remain in the queue directory even though the messages are
delivered.

what should I look for that could be causing these delays?

Bruce Embrey

Bruce Edward Embrey : Linux Administrator
Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927


From msapiro at value.net  Tue Sep 14 03:12:29 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:12:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Data Back and Traffic.
In-Reply-To: <7A3B7497-05E0-11D9-8060-000393D5652E@zzizzle.com>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409131812290140993cd149@msapiro>

zzizzle at zzizzle.com wrote:

>I you accidentally delete your list and archives, is there any way to 
>get the data back?

If you deleted the <listname> directory in lists/ and in
archives/private/, everything is gone unless you have backups. If you
used bin/rmlist, it doesn't delete the archives by default so they may
still be there unless you used bin/rmlist -a (or --archive).

If as you say, you deleted list and archives and if you don't have
backups from outside Mailman, then it's all gone.

>And does anyone know what the limits to email 
>traffic are on this system?

Visit the FAQ at
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and search for performance.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Tue Sep 14 03:36:50 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:36:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Data Back and Traffic.
In-Reply-To: <PC1715200409131812290140993cd149@msapiro>
Message-ID: <PC17152004091318365006872fc72981@msapiro>

zzizzle at zzizzle.com replied off list:

>I am using DreamHost.com which is the interface for the system, so can 
>I make any sense of what you're saying below?  I am not at the 
>programmer level.  More html and flash.

Then I take it you deleted the list and archives from the web list
administration pages.

I suggest you contact Dreamhost asap and ask if they have any backups
of Mailman data files that can be used to restore your list.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue Sep 14 07:25:42 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:25:42 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OutgoingRunner Failing
In-Reply-To: <8bc8b7f2.7f6cd87d.12006c00@mail-msgstore02.qut.edu.au>
References: <8bc8b7f2.7f6cd87d.12006c00@mail-msgstore02.qut.edu.au>
Message-ID: <857C143D-060E-11D9-B0A4-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

On Sep 14, 2004, at 09:04, David Richards wrote:

> I have the OutgoingRunner process failing quite regularly, and this has
> resulted in a build up of mail in the qfiles/out directory.  How do I 
> find out
> what is going on in this process for it to be failing like this?

Are there any clues in your logs/error log?  If you are lucky, there 
will be a traceback showing why OutgoingRunner is crashing.

(Have you configured Mailman to run with multiple OutgoingRunners in 
your mm_cfg file?  If so, check for Brian Greenberg's recent problem 
report and fix.)


-- 
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Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From stephen at xemacs.org  Tue Sep 14 08:03:56 2004
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:03:56 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] create list on subscribe
In-Reply-To: <20040913135303.GA6259@cirrus.madduck.net> (martin f. krafft's
	message of "Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:53:03 +0200")
References: <20040913135303.GA6259@cirrus.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <87oek9o08j.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "martin" == martin f krafft <martin> writes:

    martin> I want to create a listserv to allow folks to subscribe to
    martin> single bugs in the Debian BTS. Instead of creating the
    martin> 270000 lists up front, I want them to be created as people
    martin> subscribe (if the list name matches a regexp or list of
    martin> conditions).

    martin> I know Mailman better than any other MLM, so I would not
    martin> mind using it for this task. However, I am not sure it can
    martin> do what I want.

    martin> If Mailman can't be tweaked into doing this, do you guys
    martin> know of a software than can do it?

Roundup is a BTS that works exactly as you say, with some extra
features for auto-subscribing the submitter and people who have
expressed interest in that category.  If you throw away the MLM and
replace it with a hook into Mailman, and you create a bug db backend
that just talks to the Debian BTS, maybe you get what you want.

The reason I think this crackpot idea may have some merit is that
Roundup is written in Python, so you might have less trouble with the
tight flexible integration I suspect you need here.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/roundup

-- 
Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences     http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
               Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Sep 14 10:30:31 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:30:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sign-up User problem
In-Reply-To: <BD675175.AF%nswizynski@dioceseofcleveland.org>
References: <BD675175.AF%nswizynski@dioceseofcleveland.org>
Message-ID: <p06002014bd6c5bfab253@[10.0.1.5]>

At 12:41 PM -0400 2004-09-10, Nancy Swizynski wrote:

>  Yesterday our main diocese site was down and someone from outside our
>  network was trying to sign up for my list-serv and was not able to.

	What reason did they give for making this claim?

>                                                                       My
>  question is if our main diocese website is down does that impact the ability
>  for new persons outside our network to sign up for the list-serv. If so or
>  not what can I do to solve this problem.

	A lot depends on your configuration.  If you route all incoming 
and outgoing e-mail through them, then that will at least delay 
subscriptions, if you are configured to require confirmation, etc.... 
If you run your Mailman web interface on one system and the mail 
server side on another machine, that could cause similar problems (if 
the web server side were to go down).

	Otherwise, the only problem that people are likely to have is 
that they won't be able to click on a link from the main site to take 
them to your site, where they could subscribe.  However, if they know 
the URL, they should still be able to go to your server directly.


	I'm not sure that there's much more you can do to help people 
find out what your URL is so that they can go to your site directly.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Sep 14 10:27:16 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:27:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix integration.
In-Reply-To: <413FAA27.1010700@cox-internet.com>
References: <413FAA27.1010700@cox-internet.com>
Message-ID: <p06002013bd6c5b368470@[10.0.1.5]>

At 7:56 PM -0500 2004-09-08, Eric Renfro wrote:

>  How could I get use mailman/lists to generate a postfix "route" map, so
>  I could have a usable recipient map somewhat similar to what's shown at:
>
>  http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2004-01/0207.html

	If you follow the instructions in the README.POSTFIX file (see 
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/README.POSTFIX?rev=2.11.2.5&view=markup>), 
specifically the section marked "INTEGRATING POSTFIX AND MAILMAN", 
then the aliases will automatically be generated for you and you 
won't have the problem of accepting garbage for random e-mail 
addresses at your site.  You won't need the postfix "route" map stuff.


	That said, if you still want to go this way, I think you're going 
to have to make modifications to the Mailman source code.  We've 
created one way to address this problem which has been sufficient so 
far, and if you need something else, then you need to develop the 
code to do that (or get someone else to develop the code for you).

	Of course, if you do this, we would appreciate having that code 
contributed back to the project so that others may benefit.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From mjnf at uevora.pt  Tue Sep 14 12:37:55 2004
From: mjnf at uevora.pt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1rio?= Filipe)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:37:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with digests
Message-ID: <1095158275.5443.15.camel@nameless>

Hello

I'm running a server with several lists. At least two of them have
digest subscribers, but, about a month ago the digest stoped being sent
(In reality some days they are sent, most they aren't).

I've checked the options and they seem ok (at least according to the
docs I could get my hands on), I've checked that the senddigest cron job
is executed, the messages are cleaned (as if they had been sent) but no
digests are really sent.

I've checked the logs and found nothing and so I would like to know what
other things I could try to fix and/or find the problem.

I'm using a Debian Sarge system (updated), with mailman 2.1.5, sendmail
8.13.1 (the problem started when sendmail wast stil 8.12.x), python
2.3.4

BTW, sendmail has smrsh enabled...

Thanks for any help and best regards
-- 
        Mario Filipe 
        mjnf at uevora.pt
        http://neptuno.sc.uevora.pt/~mjnf 
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From mjnf at uevora.pt  Tue Sep 14 12:43:12 2004
From: mjnf at uevora.pt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1rio?= Filipe)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:43:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit destination
Message-ID: <1095158591.1235.19.camel@nameless>

Hello

I can i configure a list to receive messages with implicit destination,
so that they wont bounce for approval?

Is it enough to set "require_explicit_destination" to no? Apart from the
spam are there any other consequences to such a configuration?

Thanks
-- 
        Mario Filipe 
        mjnf at uevora.pt
        http://neptuno.sc.uevora.pt/~mjnf 
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From relson at osagesoftware.com  Tue Sep 14 13:22:04 2004
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:22:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeEncodeError in Logger.py
Message-ID: <20040914072204.0ad22b0c@osage.osagesoftware.com>

Hi,

I've got an incoming spam message with "Subject: Aprenda inform?tica em
casa".  When I attempt to discard it, Mailman ran into trouble.  The
problem and my fix are below.

Regards,

David

##### Patch #####

--- Logger.py.orig      2004-09-02 08:45:52.000000000 -0400
+++ Logger.py   2004-09-14 07:19:52.000000000 -0400
@@ -89,7 +89,7 @@
         f = self.__get_f()
         try:
             f.write(msg)
-        except IOError, msg:
+        except (IOError, UnicodeError), msg:
             _logexc(self, msg)
                                                                        
          
     def writelines(self, lines):

##### Problem ####

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 163, in main
    process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 711, in
process_form
    forward, forwardaddr)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 159, in
HandleRequest
    forward, addr)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 345, in
__handlepost
    syslog('vette', note)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 40, in write
    self.write_ex(kind, msg, args, kws)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 58, in
write_ex
    logf.write(msg + '\n')
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 73, in
write
    Logger.write(self, "%s %s" % (prefix, msg))
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write
    f.write(msg)
UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe1' in
position 122: ordinal not in range(128)


From grnbrg at cc.umanitoba.ca  Tue Sep 14 16:59:42 2004
From: grnbrg at cc.umanitoba.ca (Brian Greenberg)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:59:42 -0500
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] OutgoingRunner Failing
In-Reply-To: <f5086da6.7f904edb.1179e200@mail-msgstore02.qut.edu.au>
References: <f5086da6.7f904edb.1179e200@mail-msgstore02.qut.edu.au>
Message-ID: <4147075E.9030308@cc.umanitoba.ca>

David Richards wrote:
> Hi Brian,
> 
> I have seen the same problem as you described in your post, I was running a 
> shared installation via NFS.  With OutgoingRunner's running on each box.
> 
> Would you expect this to have the same results?

While the idea of running MM on multiple machines in itself kind of makes 
my head hurt, I'm pretty sure that you're seeing a similar if not the same 
problem that I encountered.  The logs you've posted look identical.

 From what I could tell from the code, if you are running more instance of 
OutgoingRunner (or any qrunner, for that matter), you *will* have regular 
crashes.  This is because (assuming 4 slices, numbered 0 through 3) each 
slice should manage 1/4 of the queue hash space.  However, as coded, slice 
0 will grab files from the *entire* queue, not just the first quarter. 
This results in a race condition.  The qrunner crash is a result of both 
slice 0 and another slice seeing a file in the last 3/4 of the hash space, 
and both beginning to process it -- one will finish and erase the file, the 
other slice will crash.

Try making the following change:

In "mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", change line 167 from

	if not lower or (lower <= long(digest, 16) < upper):

to

	if (lower == upper) or (lower <= long(digest, 16) < upper):

This completely eliminated my problem.


Brian.

>>Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:25:42 +0900
>>From: Jim Tittsler <jwt at onjapan.net>  
>>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] OutgoingRunner Failing  
>>To: David Richards <d.richards at qut.edu.au>
>>Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>>
>>On Sep 14, 2004, at 09:04, David Richards wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I have the OutgoingRunner process failing quite regularly, and this has
>>>resulted in a build up of mail in the qfiles/out directory.  How do I 
>>>find out
>>>what is going on in this process for it to be failing like this?
>>
>>Are there any clues in your logs/error log?  If you are lucky, there 
>>will be a traceback showing why OutgoingRunner is crashing.
>>
>>(Have you configured Mailman to run with multiple OutgoingRunners in 
>>your mm_cfg file?  If so, check for Brian Greenberg's recent problem 
>>report and fix.)

-- 
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+   grnbrg at cc.umanitoba.ca   +   ACN -- Unix Software Admin   +
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From msapiro at value.net  Tue Sep 14 17:40:59 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:40:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit destination
In-Reply-To: <1095158591.1235.19.camel@nameless>
Message-ID: <PC17152004091408405906256c932dcc@msapiro>

M?rio Filipe wrote:
>
>I can i configure a list to receive messages with implicit destination,
>so that they wont bounce for approval?
>
>Is it enough to set "require_explicit_destination" to no? Apart from the
>spam are there any other consequences to such a configuration?

Yes, it should be enough to set "require_explicit_destination" to no.

As to the spam consequence, Do you accept posts from non-subscribers?
If so, you may see a lot of spam going through. If not, most if not
all spam will get caught anyway. You should have an idea of how much
spam is currently caught in this filter and would reach the list if
you change it.

In my case of a list with 300 members and 0 to 20 posts per day and a
web published address, the spam all gets caught in the "non-member"
filter. Only a couple of member posts have gotten caught in the
"implicit destination" filter.

I'm not aware of any adverse consequences other than the potential spam.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Tue Sep 14 17:51:32 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:51:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscriber managment
Message-ID: <ci7423$oq5$1@sea.gmane.org>

More newbie questions


Q1: Is there a way to mass add folks to a list WITH their names?
For example, from the webpage, I see a way to both type in email 
addresses as well as upload an existing text file.  But both of those 
want a list of email addresses only - without the subscriber's real 
name.

Q2: On the website for administering a list, under Membership Management 
| Membership list, it breaks down the membership list into small little 
chunks alphabetically (by email address).
  a) is there a way to get it to just show me the entire list?
  b) sorting using either the first or last name rather than
     email address?


-- 

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From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Sep 14 18:02:13 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:02:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] create list on subscribe
In-Reply-To: <87oek9o08j.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <BD6C6415.161A5%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 9/13/2004 23:03, "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen at xemacs.org> wrote:

> Roundup is a BTS that works exactly as you say, with some extra
> features for auto-subscribing the submitter and people who have
> expressed interest in that category.  If you throw away the MLM and
> replace it with a hook into Mailman, and you create a bug db backend
> that just talks to the Debian BTS, maybe you get what you want.
> 
> The reason I think this crackpot idea may have some merit is that
> Roundup is written in Python, so you might have less trouble with the
> tight flexible integration I suspect you need here.
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/roundup

We are presently working on installing Roundup to replace our home-grown
issue tracking system (also Python).  We are quite pleased so far...the new
system may go live this week.

  --John
 


From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Sep 14 18:06:09 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:06:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit destination
In-Reply-To: <PC17152004091408405906256c932dcc@msapiro>
Message-ID: <BD6C6501.161A7%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 9/14/2004 8:40, "Mark Sapiro" <msapiro at value.net> wrote:

> In my case of a list with 300 members and 0 to 20 posts per day and a
> web published address, the spam all gets caught in the "non-member"
> filter. Only a couple of member posts have gotten caught in the
> "implicit destination" filter.
> 
> I'm not aware of any adverse consequences other than the potential spam.

Other adverse consequences depend on the population of list members.

One of them:  we have some who seem to think that CC'ing to all their
friends and BCC'ing the list is somehow clever.  What it does, of course, is
reveal a bunch of addresses to the list members...the owners of the
addresses may be less than pleased.

When I get that kind of implicit destination hold, I reject it with an
explanation.

  --John


From msapiro at value.net  Tue Sep 14 18:15:24 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:15:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscriber managment
In-Reply-To: <ci7423$oq5$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409140915240640e7d530b8@msapiro>

Chris Barnes wrote:
>
>Q1: Is there a way to mass add folks to a list WITH their names?
>For example, from the webpage, I see a way to both type in email 
>addresses as well as upload an existing text file.  But both of those 
>want a list of email addresses only - without the subscriber's real 
>name.

In your list or text file, use addresses of the form
  Real Name <address at example.com>

>Q2: On the website for administering a list, under Membership Management 
>| Membership list, it breaks down the membership list into small little 
>chunks alphabetically (by email address).
>  a) is there a way to get it to just show me the entire list?

You can increase DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE in mm_cfg.py
# How many members to display at a time on the admin cgi to unsubscribe
them
# or change their options?
DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 30


You can go to http://www.example.com/mailman/roster/listname but this
list has e-mail address only, not name.

You can also use the e-mail who command which does return names as wall
as addresses.

>  b) sorting using either the first or last name rather than
>     email address?

No

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Tue Sep 14 18:36:57 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:36:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit destination
In-Reply-To: <BD6C6501.161A7%jwblist@olympus.net>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409140936570125d4666ad6@msapiro>

John W. Baxter wrote:
>
>Other adverse consequences depend on the population of list members.
>
>One of them:  we have some who seem to think that CC'ing to all their
>friends and BCC'ing the list is somehow clever.  What it does, of course, is
>reveal a bunch of addresses to the list members...the owners of the
>addresses may be less than pleased.
>
>When I get that kind of implicit destination hold, I reject it with an
>explanation.

Good point but you can also catch most of these in the
"max_num_recipients" filter.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From Euler.Ribeiro at mma.gov.br  Tue Sep 14 19:17:51 2004
From: Euler.Ribeiro at mma.gov.br (Euler Ricardo Rodrigues Ribeiro)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:17:51 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hello
Message-ID: <4146FD8F.10448.1434E4B@mma.gov.br>

I want with problem in mailman and Freebsb.
When I send mail for list the file maillog register only one time, after 
don?t register more and not arrived e-mail for list.

Thank?s


From bob at w2ras.com  Wed Sep 15 04:16:42 2004
From: bob at w2ras.com (Bob Branch)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:16:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not getting copies of  posted mail
Message-ID: <LEEDLMPNPEDLPKLKDIGAOEFJEPAA.bob@w2ras.com>

I have added my self to the list of members,  but I do not get copies of any
postings.
When I look at the Membership Management... [Membership List] ,  I notice that
all the members are in blue and I am the only one in pink .

Any Ideas what is going on?

Bob

---------------------
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Website: www.w2ras.com
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Dreamer



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep 15 05:39:42 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:39:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not getting copies of  posted mail
In-Reply-To: <LEEDLMPNPEDLPKLKDIGAOEFJEPAA.bob@w2ras.com>
Message-ID: <PC171520040914203942000053db7eea@msapiro>

Bob Branch wrote:

>I have added my self to the list of members,  but I do not get copies of any
>postings.
>When I look at the Membership Management... [Membership List] ,  I notice that
>all the members are in blue and I am the only one in pink .
>
>Any Ideas what is going on?

Is "pink" the color your browser uses for a "followed" link?

When you look at your entry in the membership list what do you see for
"nomail", "not metoo", "nodupes" and "digest"? All of these have some
effect on what you receive from the list.

Are you subscribed to any "Topics"? If you were ever subscribed to any
topics and there are currently no topics defined for the list, you may
have to set "Do you want to receive messages that do not match any
topic filter?" to "yes" to receive messages.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From embrey at hood.edu  Wed Sep 15 06:01:58 2004
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:01:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How is a maliing list parsed
Message-ID: <web-2122205@hermes.hood.edu>

Mailman Users:

I am running mailman 2.1.5.

I have a list of 623 members. I have mailman configured for
100 recipients per message (smtp server limits
recipients/message to 100). 

As I understand this setting, when a message is sent to
this list it is broken out into 7 messages (6 with 100 and
1 with 65). How are the addresses grouped per message?

I have run into an issue where some people receive the
message within 2 minutes while others it takes 23 minutes.
I am trying to determine what could be causing the
bottleneck and how to resolve it.

Bruce Embrey



Bruce Edward Embrey : Linux Administrator
Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927


From judypetersen at comcast.net  Wed Sep 15 06:16:22 2004
From: judypetersen at comcast.net (Judy Petersen)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:16:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not getting copies of  posted mail
In-Reply-To: <PC171520040914203942000053db7eea@msapiro>
Message-ID: <NGBBJNMJILLGJCEPBPJNMEJKFHAA.judypetersen@comcast.net>

I have written before about several of our list members and myself not
getting any of the individual emails sent on our list. Also, one or two of
those aren't able to get the digest either. I've pursued earlier suggestions
with no luck. We also had to switch to another Mailman list briefly (4 days)
and although I and a few others still couldn't get individual emails, one or
two were 'fixed' temporarily.

I understand what "nomail", "not metoo" and "nodupes" are supposed to
accomplish but I'd like to understand how the way "not metoo" and "nodupes"
are set might result in someone not getting ANY individual emails.

Will someone fill me in please? It's particularly embarrassing for the
listkeeper (me) to not be able to fix my own setup!

BTW, I'm also becoming convinced that Comcast is somehow the problem because
two of us use Comcast. Unfortunately, our list mail doesn't even make it to
our Comcast web-based email box. I have checked and there is no 'special'
spam-blocking that costs $1 to turn off or anything resembling that except
the usual anti-spam settings.

Judy Petersen

- Bob Branch wrote:
-
- >I have added my self to the list of members,  but I do not get
- copies of any postings.
- >When I look at the Membership Management... [Membership List] ,
- I notice that
- >all the members are in blue and I am the only one in pink .
- >
- >Any Ideas what is going on?
-
- When you look at your entry in the membership list what do you see for
- "nomail", "not metoo", "nodupes" and "digest"? All of these have some
- effect on what you receive from the list.
-
- Are you subscribed to any "Topics"? If you were ever subscribed to any
- topics and there are currently no topics defined for the list, you may
- have to set "Do you want to receive messages that do not match any
- topic filter?" to "yes" to receive messages.g/



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep 15 06:15:19 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:15:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How is a maliing list parsed
In-Reply-To: <web-2122205@hermes.hood.edu>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409142115190875c6e11a5e@msapiro>

Bruce Embrey wrote:
>
>I have a list of 623 members. I have mailman configured for
>100 recipients per message (smtp server limits
>recipients/message to 100). 
>
>As I understand this setting, when a message is sent to
>this list it is broken out into 7 messages (6 with 100 and
>1 with 65). How are the addresses grouped per message?
>
>I have run into an issue where some people receive the
>message within 2 minutes while others it takes 23 minutes.
>I am trying to determine what could be causing the
>bottleneck and how to resolve it.

Look at Mailman's "smtp" log to see if all 7 smtp interactions complete
within a few minutes or not. Look in the outgoing MTA logs to see if
there are delays receiving from Mailman or delays delivering to some
users or some user domains.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep 15 06:50:58 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:50:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not getting copies of  posted mail
In-Reply-To: <NGBBJNMJILLGJCEPBPJNMEJKFHAA.judypetersen@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409142150580625acb4f66b@msapiro>

Judy Petersen wrote:
>
>I understand what "nomail", "not metoo" and "nodupes" are supposed to
>accomplish but I'd like to understand how the way "not metoo" and "nodupes"
>are set might result in someone not getting ANY individual emails.

They wouldn't in general, but in a testing situation where only one
person was posting, "not metoo" would preclude that person's receiving
the posts.

Likewise, "nodupes" would preclude someones receiving from the list if
that person were always an addressee of the post. Of course, the
person would normally receive the post "off list" in this case.

In a previous reply
(http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-August/039071.html),
I said
>If you have access to the mailman logs, you should be able to determine
>from the smtp log if the expected number of posts are being sent.

Were you able to do that?

>BTW, I'm also becoming convinced that Comcast is somehow the problem because
>two of us use Comcast. Unfortunately, our list mail doesn't even make it to
>our Comcast web-based email box. I have checked and there is no 'special'
>spam-blocking that costs $1 to turn off or anything resembling that except
>the usual anti-spam settings.

The customer support people at ISP's often have little or no knowledge
of what global anti-spam measures the ISP uses. You have to talk to
the "abuse" people to be sure you're getting anything close to correct
information. Just for curiousity, you might look up the IP address of
your Mailman server at www.openrbl.org to see if it's on any of
several black lists.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From macangels at spamcop.net  Wed Sep 15 11:52:01 2004
From: macangels at spamcop.net (demo)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:52:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: good enhancement for MM3
In-Reply-To: <20040904191247.C54871E4008@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <BD6DCF51.2CAB%macangels@spamcop.net>

Hi

This is a reply to a message sent a while ago;

1] It seems that the question of " Announcement Only " lists is a regular
one, could this configuration not be offered as a built-in one-button
option?

2] I am new to Mailman and using the Apple version so excuse me if I am
taking twaddle. One thing I notice with it is if you delete a list via the
Apple GUI, it does not delete the archives.

I guess this is a Apple issue but I cant see a delete archive / clear cache
type option via the web interface; that would be useful.

Actually, I don't even see the Delete this List option via the Web
interface.

MA

> Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 7, Issue 13
> 
>>>  Is there a way to backup the user list in Mailman?

> This would be a good enhancement for MM3, although if MM3 has a
> heavier-duty datastore, this problem may solve itself.




From sean at sweetbourbon.com  Wed Sep 15 14:03:57 2004
From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:03:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OutgoingRunner Failing
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0409150751270.93880@seyyav.pair.com>


> Hi all,
>
> I have the OutgoingRunner process failing quite regularly, and this has
> resulted in a build up of mail in the qfiles/out directory.  How do I
> find out what is going on in this process for it to be failing like
> this?

I experienced the same problem running Mailman 2.1.5 on a FreeBSD 4.6 box.
I couldn't find anything telling in the logs.  I upped the number of times
that the qrunner would restart from 10 to 50.  Still had the problem
occur.  Now I have a cron job restart mailman every 4 hours.   Nothing
backs up in the outgoing directory now and I haven't notice any residual
problems from this change.

This doesn't get to the source of the problem though. :(  I figured it
might be something with the content of the messages but with hundreds of
lists running on 4 different servers it isn't something easily tracked
down.  Additionally no other mailman users complained about it until now.

Sean



From sean at sweetbourbon.com  Wed Sep 15 14:08:35 2004
From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (sean at sweetbourbon.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:08:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OutgoingRunner Failing (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0409150807040.93880@seyyav.pair.com>


Oh, I forgot to mention.  I'm not running multiple slices so Greenburg's
patch doesn't apply.

Sean



---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:03:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sean <sean at sweetbourbon.com>
To: mailman-users at python.org
Cc: d.richards at qut.edu.au
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] OutgoingRunner Failing


> Hi all,
>
> I have the OutgoingRunner process failing quite regularly, and this has
> resulted in a build up of mail in the qfiles/out directory.  How do I
> find out what is going on in this process for it to be failing like
> this?

I experienced the same problem running Mailman 2.1.5 on a FreeBSD 4.6 box.
I couldn't find anything telling in the logs.  I upped the number of times
that the qrunner would restart from 10 to 50.  Still had the problem
occur.  Now I have a cron job restart mailman every 4 hours.   Nothing
backs up in the outgoing directory now and I haven't notice any residual
problems from this change.

This doesn't get to the source of the problem though. :(  I figured it
might be something with the content of the messages but with hundreds of
lists running on 4 different servers it isn't something easily tracked
down.  Additionally no other mailman users complained about it until now.

Sean



From mjnf at uevora.pt  Wed Sep 15 15:17:24 2004
From: mjnf at uevora.pt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1rio?= Filipe)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:17:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to recover an admin password
Message-ID: <1095254244.1242.65.camel@nameless>

Hi

I set up a list for one of my coworkers. Now he lost the password!! Is
there a way to reset the password or to recover it?

Thanks
-- 
        Mario Filipe 
        mjnf at uevora.pt
        http://neptuno.sc.uevora.pt/~mjnf 
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From bills at right-net.com  Wed Sep 15 16:42:24 2004
From: bills at right-net.com (Bill Selmeier)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:42:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to recover an admin password
In-Reply-To: <1095254244.1242.65.camel@nameless>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0409150740310.24591-301000@mast.right-net.com>

How about using the MailMan administrator's password to access the top
page on the list and then resetting the list administrator's password.
The person responsible for Mailman can always access every list it
creates with his password.

Bill
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I set up a list for one of my coworkers. Now he lost the password!! Is
there a way to reset the password or to recover it?

Thanks
-- 
        Mario Filipe 
        mjnf at uevora.pt
        http://neptuno.sc.uevora.pt/~mjnf 
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From mlist at bogusville.us  Wed Sep 15 17:06:03 2004
From: mlist at bogusville.us (Sean R. Kirkpatrick)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:06:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscribe with real names
Message-ID: <41485A5B.4060408@bogusville.us>

I've poked around the docs and google and haven't seen this documented - 
did I miss it?

I have a sizeable list of folks that need to be added to a new list. I'd 
like to be able to mass subscribe them by uploading a file and include 
their real names at the same time. Is this possible? I tried something like

    you at here.com,Frank Smith

but that didn't work.

TIA

    Sean


From warrenw at xmission.com  Wed Sep 15 17:10:25 2004
From: warrenw at xmission.com (Warren Woodward)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:10:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lost the raw archive link?
Message-ID: <20040915151025.GA32356@xmission.com>

Surely I'm missing something obvious (as usual), but this one has me
stumped.  A list owner requested I eliminate his current archives so he
can begin anew for the quarter.  I did this, as I have a few other times
in the past, using the guidelines in the FAQ:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp

In short, I deleted the /$HOME/archives/private/listname directory, erased
the listname.mbox/listname.mbox and re archived.  No problem, this works
as always and the list is now accepting archived anew as intended.
                                                                                
The problem is that the list owner pointed out that doing this seems to
have eliminated the option to "download the full raw archive" which he
uses regularly.  I am stumped as to why.  I looked at a couple other lists
on which I've performed this action in the past, and see that the same
result has occured.

Is it safe to just add this link in the archive index.html?  Or is it
going to be overwritten again when /bin/arch is next exectuted?  And is
there a way to perform this archive housekeeping that prevents this from
happening?


-- 
warren woodward
XMission DSL
Domo/Mailman
warrenw at xmission.com
(801) 303-0819
(877) XMISSION



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep 15 17:25:07 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:25:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscribe with real names
In-Reply-To: <41485A5B.4060408@bogusville.us>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409150825070125bb322f64@msapiro>

Sean R. Kirkpatrick wrote:

>I've poked around the docs and google and haven't seen this documented - 
>did I miss it?
>
>I have a sizeable list of folks that need to be added to a new list. I'd 
>like to be able to mass subscribe them by uploading a file and include 
>their real names at the same time. Is this possible? I tried something like
>
>    you at here.com,Frank Smith
>
>but that didn't work.

use
   Frank Smith <you at here.com>

This needs to be in the FAQ. I'll try to add it sometime later today.

BTW, a search of the archives of this list
(http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/) for "real
name" or for "mass subscribe" would have found the answer.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From mjnf at uevora.pt  Wed Sep 15 18:11:35 2004
From: mjnf at uevora.pt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1rio?= Filipe)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:11:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to recover an admin password
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0409150740310.24591-301000@mast.right-net.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0409150740310.24591-301000@mast.right-net.com>
Message-ID: <1095264694.5468.69.camel@nameless>

Hi

A Qua, 2004-09-15 ?s 15:42, Bill Selmeier escreveu:
> How about using the MailMan administrator's password to access the top
> page on the list and then resetting the list administrator's password.
> The person responsible for Mailman can always access every list it
> creates with his password.

You mean going to http://myserver.org/mailman/admin/lostpasswordlist

and enter the mailman admin password?

I've just tried that and it didn't work...
-- 
        Mario Filipe 
        mjnf at uevora.pt
        http://neptuno.sc.uevora.pt/~mjnf 
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From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com  Wed Sep 15 18:29:02 2004
From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:29:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lost the raw archive link?
In-Reply-To: <20040915151025.GA32356@xmission.com>
References: <20040915151025.GA32356@xmission.com>
Message-ID: <20040915162902.GG13476@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>

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Warren Woodward wrote:
> In short, I deleted the /$HOME/archives/private/listname directory, erased
> the listname.mbox/listname.mbox and re archived.  No problem, this works
> as always and the list is now accepting archived anew as intended.
>
> The problem is that the list owner pointed out that doing this seems to
> have eliminated the option to "download the full raw archive" which he
> uses regularly.  I am stumped as to why.  I looked at a couple other lists
> on which I've performed this action in the past, and see that the same
> result has occured.
>
> Is it safe to just add this link in the archive index.html?  Or is it
> going to be overwritten again when /bin/arch is next exectuted?  And is
> there a way to perform this archive housekeeping that prevents this from
> happening?

- From the 2.1.4 NEWS file:

    - New mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py variable PUBLIC_MBOX which allows the
      site administrator to disable public access to all the raw list
      mbox files (this is not a per-list configuration).

So, try setting that to Yes in mm_cfg.py.  I don't know without
testing it whether you need to re-archive the list to make this take
effect or not.

- -- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
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From iain.smy at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 19:39:30 2004
From: iain.smy at gmail.com (Iain Smy)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:39:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect cookie values
Message-ID: <6bf7409f04091510396e5bee3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi:

I have several mailman lists up and running without any problem.

I added a new list yesterday and I am unable to admin the list. I am
able to log in to the admin side of the list but when I attempt to
save changes that I have made I am kicked back to the login page.

I figured that the cookie wasn't being set for some reason. Further
investigation revealed that the cookie is being set but the contains
incorrect information. The path is being set as /mailman when it
should be /listname.

I verified this using the lists that I had previously set up and they
still continue to set the correct cookie values and I am able to admin
those lists.

I am running version 2.1.3.

Where can I manually change the values that are being sent in the
cookie or is there a better solution to this problem?

Thanks for any assistance.

Iain


From savoy at uleth.ca  Wed Sep 15 19:45:30 2004
From: savoy at uleth.ca (Jim Savoy)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:45:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] command-line query
Message-ID: <41487FBA.6020405@uleth.ca>


Hi all,

        I am running Mailman v2.1.2 on a Linux Enterprise box.
The membership of a number of our lists is dynamic and needs
to be changed daily. I run a cronjob each morning that
unsubscribes everyone and then re-subscribes the new members.
Works fine with one slight hassle: I can't figure out how to
doctor the 'moderation' flag from the command-line. By default
the list is moderated, but some of the subscribers added are not
to be moderated. Naturally I don't want to have to go into the GUI
interface each day and change those flags! How can I set that from
command line? It doesn't seem to be in the FAQ.

Thanks!




From rixong at rixong.com  Thu Sep 16 04:14:56 2004
From: rixong at rixong.com (Rick Glascock)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:14:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing "hide" option in Member management
Message-ID: <001201c49b92$f727d5d0$6501a8c0@MUSICROOM>

I'd like to export my email list by sending a "list-request" message with "who" in the body as outlined in this forum.However, all members have been automatically "hidden" in the member management section which seems to hide the email addresses when using this method. Is there a quick, easy way to flip all members to "unhidden" while I process the request and then flip them back after?

Thanks in advance.

From jwt at OnJapan.net  Thu Sep 16 04:19:36 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:19:36 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect cookie values
In-Reply-To: <6bf7409f04091510396e5bee3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6bf7409f04091510396e5bee3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040916021935.GK6470@server.onjapan.net>

On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 01:39:30PM -0400, Iain Smy wrote:
> I figured that the cookie wasn't being set for some reason. Further
> investigation revealed that the cookie is being set but the contains
> incorrect information. The path is being set as /mailman when it
> should be /listname.

It should be /mailman unless you've changed DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN
in your mm_cfg.py.  (Or your lists web_page_url has been
manually set to something else.)

The cookie will be for 'site' if you used the admin password
and allow sitewide admin cookies, or 'listname+admin' if you
used the list password.

> I verified this using the lists that I had previously set up and they
> still continue to set the correct cookie values and I am able to admin
> those lists.
> 
> I am running version 2.1.3.
> 
> Where can I manually change the values that are being sent in the
> cookie or is there a better solution to this problem?

SecurityManager.py


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From jwt at OnJapan.net  Thu Sep 16 04:32:12 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:32:12 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] command-line query
In-Reply-To: <41487FBA.6020405@uleth.ca>
References: <41487FBA.6020405@uleth.ca>
Message-ID: <20040916023212.GL6470@server.onjapan.net>

On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 11:45:30AM -0600, Jim Savoy wrote:
> Works fine with one slight hassle: I can't figure out how to
> doctor the 'moderation' flag from the command-line. By default
> the list is moderated, but some of the subscribers added are not
> to be moderated. Naturally I don't want to have to go into the GUI
> interface each day and change those flags! How can I set that from
> command line? It doesn't seem to be in the FAQ.

I showed an example of one way to do this from the command line a
couple of months back:
  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-June/037287.html

(Although that particular message shows how to moderate from
the command line, so you'll want to change the mm_cfg.Yes to
mm_cfg.No to make an 'unmoderate' tool.)


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From jwt at OnJapan.net  Thu Sep 16 04:38:49 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:38:49 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing "hide" option in Member management
In-Reply-To: <001201c49b92$f727d5d0$6501a8c0@MUSICROOM>
References: <001201c49b92$f727d5d0$6501a8c0@MUSICROOM>
Message-ID: <20040916023849.GM6470@server.onjapan.net>

On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 09:14:56PM -0500, Rick Glascock wrote:
> addresses when using this method. Is there a quick, easy way
> to flip all members to "unhidden" while I process the request
> and then flip them back after?

No.  (And if there were, you would need to shut down Mailman,
or at least lock the list across multiple operations (unhide,
who, hide) to avoid other accesses changing things during that
window.)

You can get the complete subscriber list from the
bin/list_members command if you have shell access on the
server.  Or if that isn't an option, by scripting the web
interface.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Sep 16 05:23:21 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:23:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to recover an admin password
In-Reply-To: <1095264694.5468.69.camel@nameless>
Message-ID: <PC17152004091520232100150be98664@msapiro>

M?rio Filipe wrote:
>
>You mean going to http://myserver.org/mailman/admin/lostpasswordlist
>
>and enter the mailman admin password?
>
>I've just tried that and it didn't work...

The site password should work anywhere a password is required. If it
doesn't, maybe you aren't using the correct password. If necessary,
you can set a new site password with bin/mmsitepass (bin/mmsitepass
--help
for more info).

Perhaps you misunderstood what was meant by "MailMan administrator's
password" in the original reply. What was referred to was the site
password as set by bin/mmsitepass, not any other such as the password
for the mailman site list.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Sep 16 05:50:49 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:50:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: good enhancement for MM3
In-Reply-To: <BD6DCF51.2CAB%macangels@spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <PC17152004091520504908430be989bc@msapiro>

demo <macangels at spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>2] I am new to Mailman and using the Apple version so excuse me if I am
>taking twaddle. One thing I notice with it is if you delete a list via the
>Apple GUI, it does not delete the archives.
>
>I guess this is a Apple issue but I cant see a delete archive / clear cache
>type option via the web interface; that would be useful.

Yes, this is an Apple issue. The standard command line tool bin/rmlist
offers the option to delete list only or list and archives.

>Actually, I don't even see the Delete this List option via the Web
>interface.

This is controlled by a sitewide option
OWNERS_CAN_DELETE_THEIR_OWN_LISTS which is set to "No" in Defaults.py

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From M.M.vanPaassen at lr.tudelft.nl  Thu Sep 16 09:56:12 2004
From: M.M.vanPaassen at lr.tudelft.nl (Rene van Paassen)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:56:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users want to unsubscribe,
	but cannot find their e-mail address in the list
Message-ID: <1095321372.7260.12.camel@lrcs024a.lr.tudelft.nl>

Hi all, 

I "inherited" a large list, and there are a few users on the list who
want to unsubscribe. However, they must be getting their e-mail through
an alias somewhere, because the addresses they receive the mail on are
not to be found in the list. Is there a way to add to the header or
footer a message like:

You are subscribed with e-mail address %(recipient_name)

or is there some other way that they can figure out the address on the
list that is getting them the mail?

Greetings, 
	Ren?
-- 
M.M. (Ren?) van Paassen                    M.M.vanPaassen at LR.TUDelft.nl
Assistant Professor                                tel. +31 15 278 5370
Faculty of Aerospace Engineering                   fax. +31 15 278 6480
Kluijverweg 1, NL-2629 HS  Delft         Delft University of Technology 
         >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.cs.lr.tudelft.nl <<<<<<<<<<<<



From mjnf at uevora.pt  Thu Sep 16 10:07:29 2004
From: mjnf at uevora.pt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1rio?= Filipe)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:07:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to recover an admin password
In-Reply-To: <PC17152004091520232100150be98664@msapiro>
References: <PC17152004091520232100150be98664@msapiro>
Message-ID: <1095322048.1397.4.camel@nameless>

Hello

A Qui, 2004-09-16 ?s 04:23, Mark Sapiro escreveu:
> M?rio Filipe wrote:
> >
> >You mean going to http://myserver.org/mailman/admin/lostpasswordlist
> >
> >and enter the mailman admin password?
> >
> >I've just tried that and it didn't work...
> 
> The site password should work anywhere a password is required. If it
> doesn't, maybe you aren't using the correct password. If necessary,
> you can set a new site password with bin/mmsitepass (bin/mmsitepass
> --help
> for more info).
> 
> Perhaps you misunderstood what was meant by "MailMan administrator's
> password" in the original reply. What was referred to was the site
> password as set by bin/mmsitepass, not any other such as the password
> for the mailman site list.

This was exactly what was happening: I was using the mailman list admin
password. Thanks to everyone that helped.
-- 
        Mario Filipe 
        mjnf at uevora.pt
        http://neptuno.sc.uevora.pt/~mjnf 
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From info at gold-solutions.co.uk  Sat Sep 11 16:02:23 2004
From: info at gold-solutions.co.uk (info at gold-solutions.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:02:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Help.
Message-ID: <007601c49807$f81475e0$c25b2252@gaurav7klgnyif>

Hello,
I have a reseller account and they have pre-installed mailman software.  I enjoy using your software and just about got to grips with it.

How would i be able to create something that i can add on my website so people can subscribe to the list by adding there email address?

I want something like a simple textbox then a button saying "subscribe" and "unsubscribe".  Is this possible at all?  Please let me know.

Regards
Gaurav Malhotra

From cain at geomag.gfdi.fsu.edu  Mon Sep 13 03:35:19 2004
From: cain at geomag.gfdi.fsu.edu (Joseph Cain)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:35:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Outlook Express subscribers cannot see message
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040912213348.0324d3b0@127.0.0.1>

I have at least one subscriber on our list (waverly-l at tfn.net) that only 
receives the headers and footer information for a message, but never the 
message itself.

Any ideas?

Joseph Cain     cain at gfdi.fsu.edu
(850) 644-4014 (office)                 Voice messages: (850) 644-5594
(850) 385-0227 (residence)              FAXs (850) 644-8972
http://geomag.gfdi.fsu.edu/~cain        cell (850) 567-6438  




From amellis at comcast.net  Mon Sep 13 05:15:22 2004
From: amellis at comcast.net (Al Mellis)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 23:15:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] illeagal email address
Message-ID: <001f01c4993f$e889f080$6400a8c0@realitynt9aypx>

we are having a problem with the following type of email address

weincek_g/li at dns.u46.k12.il.us

it seems that the forward slash is having mailman listserv reject this email address and any others loke it.  Is there a way around it?

al Mellis
amellis at comcast.net




From masamichi.hayashi at ntt.com  Mon Sep 13 06:20:26 2004
From: masamichi.hayashi at ntt.com (Masamichi.Hayashi)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:20:26 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <4145200A.5050208@mint.ntt.com>

Hi,

I have a question about Mailman's license, which I believe is based on a
GPL.

I'm planning to adopt Mailman for my new mailinglist project. As I don't
need all of the various features included in the Mailman distribution,
I'm considering hiding some of the features, or customize , I should
say, the web interface.

Does our site need to announce publicly that it has customized the
original distribution, wherever appropriate, such as in the notes on the
top page of our site?

What about the credits -- GNU, Python, Mailman logos? Is our site
required to carry all of these icons too?

Thank you in advance.

M.H.
masamichi.hayashi at ntt.com



-- 
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  ????
  masamichi.hayashi at ntt.com

  ??????
  ????????
  e-Japan???
  ??????????
  ????????????????

  ???????1-1-6 NTT????? 3F
  tel: 03-6700-7171
  fax: 03-5251-3008
}



From roseli at sel.eesc.usp.br  Mon Sep 13 16:43:26 2004
From: roseli at sel.eesc.usp.br (Roseli Ribeiro)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:43:26 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman - help
Message-ID: <4145B20E.859DC215@sel.eesc.usp.br>

Please, I don't Kwon how to do mailman send me an error message, when it
doesn't send a message for all  addresses of the list. I need to know
who doesn't received the message.
Thank you
Roseli




From scratch at xmission.com  Tue Sep 14 20:49:10 2004
From: scratch at xmission.com (Warren Woodward)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:49:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lost the raw archive link
Message-ID: <20040914184910.GA31814@xmission.com>

Surely I'm missing something obvious (as usual), but this one has me 
stumped.  A list owner requested I eliminate his current archives so he 
can begin anew for the quarter.  I did this, as I have a few other times 
in the past, using the guidelines in the FAQ:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp

In short, I deleted the /$HOME/archives/private/listname directory, erased 
the listname.mbox/listname.mbox and re archived.  No problem, this works 
as always and the list is now accepting archived anew as intended.

The problem is that the list owner pointed out that doing this seems to
have eliminated the option to "download the full raw archive" which he
uses regularly.  I am stumped as to why.  I looked at a couple other lists
on which I've performed this action in the past, and see that the same
result has occured.

Is it safe to just add this link in the archive index.html?  Or is it 
going to be overwritten again when /bin/arch is next exectuted?  And is 
there a way to perform this archive housekeeping that prevents this from 
happening?

 -- 
warren woodward
XMission DSL
Domo/Mailman
warrenw at xmission.com
(801) 303-0819
(877) XMISSION



From eim at users.sourceforge.net  Wed Sep 15 12:21:39 2004
From: eim at users.sourceforge.net (Ivo Marino)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:21:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] phpNewsList is searching for PHP developers
Message-ID: <1095243699.2422.18.camel@avalanche.lan.home>

Hello Mailman community,

Recently I wrote some clean and simple object oriented PHP code which I
assembled to a little project called phpNewsList on SourceForge.net.

This upcoming free software project provides an already out-of-the-box
working web front end for generating a GNU Mailman based news letter on
a ist server using members from already available GNU Mailman mailing
lists.

Let's assume you drive 10 mailing lists on your list server, phpNewsList
will generate easily a new temporary news letter mailing list (Called
news-list) which will contain members from all or some of the above
specified mailing lists.

Once generated you'll just need to send your news E-Mail to the new
generated news-letter mailing list.

As the whole project is written in PHP I am searching for medium skilled
PHP developers who are interested in writing clean OO-PHP code.

Details are available here:
http://sourceforge.net/people/viewjob.php?group_id=108565&job_id=20002

The latest code is available in the CVS tree:
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/phpnewslist/

Once some new developers join the project I'll provide a developer and
user mailing list on SF.net. Forum will be also there and the actual
minimalistic project homepage is: http://phpnewslist.sourceforge.net/

I thank you in advantage for interested and feedback and ask excuse if
this E-Mail may be off-topic to GNU Mailman usage and development.

Best regards,

 I.

P.S. I'm currently off-list so please Cc: me on each reply or send your
response directly to me, thanks.

-- 
                       )/_
              _.--..---"-,--c_    Ivo Marino <eim at users.sourceforge.net>
         \L..'           ._O__)_  http://www.sourceforge.net/users/eim/
 -.      _.+  _  \..--( /         MP3Roaster, phpNewsList, WWW::SMS.
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From ashank at accc.ca  Wed Sep 15 16:18:40 2004
From: ashank at accc.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Shank?=)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:18:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bogus "admin request(s) waiting" message
Message-ID: <68C91BBBFADF314B8E7C1CD5EBCDDC436504B4@mars.ACCC.local>

Hi Joel,

I found your posted dated June 12 re Bogus "admin request" while no message.

I've got the same problem.  Did you resolve it?  Please let me know asap - If you haven't found the problem/solution yet, please let me know.

One of my Linux gurus will be here later today and I'd like to have a crack at it before giving it to him to solve.

Thx


Andr? Shank
Information Services Officer
ACCC


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From scratch at xmission.com  Wed Sep 15 18:57:42 2004
From: scratch at xmission.com (Warren Woodward)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:57:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lost the raw archive link?
In-Reply-To: <20040915162902.GG13476@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
References: <20040915151025.GA32356@xmission.com>
	<20040915162902.GG13476@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org>
Message-ID: <20040915165742.GA22429@xmission.com>

> - From the 2.1.4 NEWS file:
> 
>     - New mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py variable PUBLIC_MBOX which allows the
>       site administrator to disable public access to all the raw list
>       mbox files (this is not a per-list configuration).
> 
> So, try setting that to Yes in mm_cfg.py.  I don't know without
> testing it whether you need to re-archive the list to make this take
> effect or not.

Exactly what I needed.  Thanks for being a second pair of eyes.

-- 
warren woodward
XMission DSL
Domo/Mailman
warrenw at xmission.com
(801) 303-0819
(877) XMISSION


From JMinotti at edc.org  Thu Sep 16 02:07:13 2004
From: JMinotti at edc.org (Jen Minotti)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:07:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about inserting HTML into Mailman
Message-ID: <OFBA470BD4.2CE60CD2-ON85256F11.00008CF3@edc.org>

Hi.  I've developed an HTML eNewsletter that I want to send out through a
Mailman list that was set up.  When I copy and paste the code into the body
of the message, it doesn't come through.  What do I need to do to make the
newsletter appear as it is laid out?

Thanks!
Jen




From jwt at OnJapan.net  Thu Sep 16 15:26:10 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:26:10 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users want to unsubscribe,
	but cannot find their e-mail address in the list
In-Reply-To: <1095321372.7260.12.camel@lrcs024a.lr.tudelft.nl>
References: <1095321372.7260.12.camel@lrcs024a.lr.tudelft.nl>
Message-ID: <20040916132610.GF19857@server.onjapan.net>

On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 09:56:12AM +0200, Rene van Paassen wrote:
> not to be found in the list. Is there a way to add to the header or
> footer a message like:
> 
> You are subscribed with e-mail address %(recipient_name)

If you have set
 OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes
in your mm_cfg.py file, then list owners can set the Non-digest
option "Personalize" to yes, and use the %(user_address)s or
%(user_delivered_to)s string substitutions as you describe in
msg_header or msg_footer.  Look at the help text for each of
those entries for more information.

> or is there some other way that they can figure out the address on the
> list that is getting them the mail?

As the system administrator, if your mail server has been
configured to support the VERP format, you could set
 VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1
and the users will be able to see the delivery address in the
message headers.

(Even without that, there may be clues to their subscription
address in the Received: headers of the existing messages...
but you are at the mercy of the mail servers involved, and the
meaning may be difficult for some users to interpret.)


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Thu Sep 16 15:59:52 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:59:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about inserting HTML into Mailman
In-Reply-To: <OFBA470BD4.2CE60CD2-ON85256F11.00008CF3@edc.org>
References: <OFBA470BD4.2CE60CD2-ON85256F11.00008CF3@edc.org>
Message-ID: <66BA50EBF19F9E9DE0A135F3@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>



--On Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:07 pm -0400 Jen Minotti 
<JMinotti at edc.org> wrote:

> Hi.  I've developed an HTML eNewsletter that I want to send out through a
> Mailman list that was set up.  When I copy and paste the code into the
> body of the message, it doesn't come through.  What do I need to do to
> make the newsletter appear as it is laid out?
>
> Thanks!
> Jen

You can't really do that with email. you can't guarantee that your 
recipients will even be able to read html email. Even if they can, email 
clients often only render a limited subset of HTML - the ones that don't 
limit what they render are a security hazard.

You can include links to web pages in plain text email, and generally 
people will be able to click through to the page.

If you must write an HTML newsletter, do it in a mail client that can 
generate HTML. Don't do it by cutting and pasting from some other HTML tool.


-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Sep 16 16:28:56 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:28:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bogus "admin request(s) waiting" message
In-Reply-To: <68C91BBBFADF314B8E7C1CD5EBCDDC436504B4@mars.ACCC.local>
Message-ID: <PC17152004091607285607650e00a735@msapiro>

Andr? Shank wrote:
>
>I found your posted dated June 12 re Bogus "admin request" while no message.
>
>I've got the same problem.  Did you resolve it?  Please let me know asap - If you haven't found the problem/solution yet, please let me know.
>

Visit the FAQ at
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and read article 3.38

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From jwblist at olympus.net  Thu Sep 16 17:04:16 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:04:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] illeagal email address
In-Reply-To: <001f01c4993f$e889f080$6400a8c0@realitynt9aypx>
Message-ID: <BD6EF980.16324%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 9/12/2004 20:15, "Al Mellis" <amellis at comcast.net> wrote:

> we are having a problem with the following type of email address
> 
> weincek_g/li at dns.u46.k12.il.us
> 
> it seems that the forward slash is having mailman listserv reject this email
> address and any others loke it.  Is there a way around it?
> 

Well, the address is legal per the RFCs.  Some MTAs protect themselves
against the damage such addressing can do (eg, when computing a local part's
mail directory path, and the address is crafted to do harm) by disallowing
it in their default configurations.

I haven't looked at the Mailman code...so I can't say whether your problem
is at the MTA level or the Mailman level (where it could be fixed by changes
to Mailman).

What do you mean by "reject"?  What sort of bounce message/rejection is
weincek_g/li at dns.u46.k12.il.us seeing?

  --John


From jwblist at olympus.net  Thu Sep 16 17:10:45 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:10:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Outlook Express subscribers cannot see message
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040912213348.0324d3b0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <BD6EFB05.16326%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 9/12/2004 18:35, "Joseph Cain" <cain at geomag.gfdi.fsu.edu> wrote:

> I have at least one subscriber on our list (waverly-l at tfn.net) that only
> receives the headers and footer information for a message, but never the
> message itself.
> 
> Any ideas?

What email program does this person use?  Can it show the raw source of the
incoming message?

What does the raw source of the message as received by another user look
like?  (Hint...easier to get out of a non-Microsoft mail program.)

The problem user should be receiving the same message as everyone else (at
least before server filters go to work), and the problem is most likely that
the mail program isn't up to the task of presenting the message.

  --John


From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Thu Sep 16 17:15:34 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:15:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] illeagal email address
In-Reply-To: <BD6EF980.16324%jwblist@olympus.net>
References: <BD6EF980.16324%jwblist@olympus.net>
Message-ID: <5F8F3CA641A333AAF15D9953@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>



--On Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:04 am -0700 "John W. Baxter" 
<jwblist at olympus.net> wrote:

> On 9/12/2004 20:15, "Al Mellis" <amellis at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> we are having a problem with the following type of email address
>>
>> weincek_g/li at dns.u46.k12.il.us
>>
>> it seems that the forward slash is having mailman listserv reject this
>> email address and any others loke it.  Is there a way around it?
>>
>
> Well, the address is legal per the RFCs.  Some MTAs protect themselves
> against the damage such addressing can do (eg, when computing a local
> part's mail directory path, and the address is crafted to do harm) by
> disallowing it in their default configurations.
>

Yep, if you are on pretty much any linux/unix/macosx system, then using a 
slash in a list name is asking for trouble. My *guess* is that the Mailman 
code would prohibit it. After all, Mailman uses the list name as a file or 
directory name in several places.


-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS



From jwblist at olympus.net  Thu Sep 16 17:25:51 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:25:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users want to unsubscribe, but cannot find
	their e-mail address in the list
In-Reply-To: <20040916132610.GF19857@server.onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <BD6EFE8F.16329%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 9/16/2004 6:26, "Jim Tittsler" <jwt at onjapan.net> wrote:

> As the system administrator, if your mail server has been
> configured to support the VERP format, you could set
> VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1
> and the users will be able to see the delivery address in the
> message headers.

Jim is an optimist, I fear.  Many users have no idea that an incoming
message has any headers other than the few their mail client shows them.
And the majority mail clients (Lookout and Lookout Express) make seeing the
complete headers remarkably difficult.

Further, the Return-Path: header to contain the Envelope sender address is
non-standard (although widespread), so you can't necessarily point to that
as what to look at (the for clause of the proper Received: header is a
likely alternative).

Oh, and SRS may have done interesting things to the Envelope sender anyhow,
giving you other obscure headers to talk about.  (Insert favorite spammer
curse here.)

All that said, VERP will help a lot in solving the problem.  It just isn't
quite a magic bullet.

  --John


From jwblist at olympus.net  Thu Sep 16 17:29:05 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:29:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] illeagal email address
In-Reply-To: <5F8F3CA641A333AAF15D9953@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <BD6EFF51.1632E%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 9/16/2004 8:15, "Ian Eiloart" <iane at sussex.ac.uk> wrote:

> 
> 
> --On Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:04 am -0700 "John W. Baxter"
> <jwblist at olympus.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 9/12/2004 20:15, "Al Mellis" <amellis at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> we are having a problem with the following type of email address
>>> 
>>> weincek_g/li at dns.u46.k12.il.us
>>> 
>>> it seems that the forward slash is having mailman listserv reject this
>>> email address and any others loke it.  Is there a way around it?
>>> 
>> 
>> Well, the address is legal per the RFCs.  Some MTAs protect themselves
>> against the damage such addressing can do (eg, when computing a local
>> part's mail directory path, and the address is crafted to do harm) by
>> disallowing it in their default configurations.
>> 
> 
> Yep, if you are on pretty much any linux/unix/macosx system, then using a
> slash in a list name is asking for trouble. My *guess* is that the Mailman
> code would prohibit it. After all, Mailman uses the list name as a file or
> directory name in several places.

But that / isn't in the list name, it is in the local part of a (would-be)
subscribed address.  At least as I read the question.

I would indeed expect Mailman to prohibit a / in a list name.

  --John


From jwblist at olympus.net  Thu Sep 16 17:33:40 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:33:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Outlook Express subscribers cannot see message
In-Reply-To: <BD6EFB05.16326%jwblist@olympus.net>
Message-ID: <BD6F0064.16330%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 9/16/2004 8:10, "John W. Baxter" <jwblist at olympus.net> wrote:

> On 9/12/2004 18:35, "Joseph Cain" <cain at geomag.gfdi.fsu.edu> wrote:
> 
>> I have at least one subscriber on our list (waverly-l at tfn.net) that only
>> receives the headers and footer information for a message, but never the
>> message itself.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
> 
> What email program does this person use?  Can it show the raw source of the
> incoming message?

Oops...yet another blunder on my part caused by reading the message body as
if the subject were not providing part of the information.  With Outlook
Express, you're involved with the user's Security settings, among other
things.

Did this just happen to the problem user with the installation of XP Service
Pack 2?

> 
> What does the raw source of the message as received by another user look
> like?  (Hint...easier to get out of a non-Microsoft mail program.)
> 
> The problem user should be receiving the same message as everyone else (at
> least before server filters go to work), and the problem is most likely that
> the mail program isn't up to the task of presenting the message.

Or has been told not to.  Are the list message bodies typically HTML on the
list in question?

  --John

  


From jhowland at ariel.cs.trinity.edu  Thu Sep 16 17:34:53 2004
From: jhowland at ariel.cs.trinity.edu (John Howland)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:34:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending operations on the hidden mailman list
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409161026320.30511-100000@Ariel.CS.Trinity.Edu>

I run mailman 2.1.1 for our department and someone (thinking
they were communicating with Trinity College) posted a message
to our hidden mailman list at CS.Trinity.Edu .

Now I get

 1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting

with directions to go to

http://WWW.CS.Trinity.Edu/mailman/admindb/mailman

which is useless in dealing with this problem.

How do I deal with a moderator request to the hidden
mailman list ?

-- 
_______________________________________________________________
John E. Howland       url: http://www.cs.trinity.edu/~jhowland/
Computer Science    email: jhowland at ariel.cs.trinity.edu
Trinity University  voice: (210) 999-7364
One Trinity Place     fax: (210) 999-7477
San Antonio, Texas  78212-7200



From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Thu Sep 16 17:55:44 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:55:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I do this?
Message-ID: <cicd1t$eua$1@sea.gmane.org>

Another question from a former Lsoft Listserv user:

I want to know if this function is available using MailMan, and if so, 
how:

Using Listserv, if you had 2 lists (ListA & ListB), you could set things 
up such:

ListA:
Send= Editor
Editor= primaryeditor at host
Editor= (ListB)

Doing this allowed all of the subscribers of ListB to be able to send 
their messages to ListA without moderation.


In other words, in MM in the Privacy/Sender section under where it says 
"List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically 
accepted" can I specify another list?


--?

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Chris Barnes                           AOL IM: CNBarnes
chris-barnes at tamu.edu                Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes 





From caylan at aero.und.edu  Thu Sep 16 19:30:26 2004
From: caylan at aero.und.edu (Caylan Van Larson)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:30:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache Proxy Mailman and Virtual Domains
Message-ID: <18C619B2-0806-11D9-B6F6-000A95DC34AC@aero.und.edu>

Afternoon,

I'm a recent convert from majordomo to Mailman, here are a couple 
questions.  I've read through all available docs, and scoured the 
net... hoping to make a final conclusion here and add to our wiki 
later.

Before I jabber, heres the version info:  Debian Linux Stable w/ 
backported 2.1.4-2 mailman/postfix packages.

Apache is being used to proxy from our mail server with Mailman 
installed, to our main web server.  This way, the Mailman web interface 
can live happily amongst all the web-applications.  To do this, I made 
sure the DEFAULT_URL_HOST was that of my web server and that the apache 
configuration contained a ServerName equal to DEFAULT_URL_HOST.  I read 
through all the docs and followed directions, but I still couldn't get 
the web interface to show DEFAULT_URL_HOST when links were created, it 
would always reference the mail servers hostname.  I modified 
/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py and commented out any last hope of it 
ever happening again:

--SNIP
def get_domain():
     #host = os.environ.get('HTTP_HOST', os.environ.get('SERVER_NAME'))
     #port = os.environ.get('SERVER_PORT')
     # Strip off the port if there is one
     ##if port and host.endswith(':' + port):
     ##     host = host[:-len(port)-1]
     #if mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW and host:
     #    return host.lower()
     #else:
         # See the note in Defaults.py concerning DEFAULT_HOST_NAME
         # vs. DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.
         hostname = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_HOST_NAME or mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_HOST
         return hostname.lower()
--SNAP

Question, why in the world did I have to go to all this trouble?

Once I had this working, I moved onto my next task, which was making 
sure that our 2 other virtual domains worked with Mailman.  I read 
through the README.POSTFIX.gz plenty of times and found no reference of 
virtual_alias_maps in the man pages, online docs, or offline book 
references, so I'm going to assume we are talking about virtual_maps.  
For the longest time I was trying so hard to get this to work, assuming 
I could have two lists of the same name under different virtual 
domains.  However, after my 4-hour struggle of reading, testing, 
debugging I came across this little tidbit in TODO.gz:

--SNIP
     - Allow lists of the same name in two different virtual domains
--SNAP

Can someone explain this? and why this gentlemen makes it look so easy?
	http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-January/033869.html

Where in the world is it  "actually in the docs :-)" I'd be so happy to 
find it!

Thanks for your help,

Caylan


PS: In case anyone is interested, here is my configuration for getting 
the front-end instance of Apache to proxy a mailman installation.

httpd.conf
--SNIP
    LoadModule proxy_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libproxy.so
    ...
     # Proxy Mailman's Web Interface
     ProxyPass /cgi-bin/mailman 
http://betamax.aero.und.edu/cgi-bin/mailman
     ProxyPassReverse /cgi-bin/mailman 
http://betamax.aero.und.edu/cgi-bin/mailman
     ProxyPass /mailman http://betamax.aero.und.edu/cgi-bin/mailman
     ProxyPassReverse /mailman 
http://betamax.aero.und.edu/cgi-bin/mailman
     ProxyPass /images/mailman http://betamax.aero.und.edu/images/mailman
     ProxyPassReverse /images/mailman 
http://betamax.aero.und.edu/images/mailman
--SNAP

PSS: Here is my full documentation, which will be finalized once our 
installation is ... finalized.
	https://portal.aero.und.edu/twiki/bin/view/Know/DebianLinuxMailman

From savoy at uleth.ca  Thu Sep 16 19:39:12 2004
From: savoy at uleth.ca (Jim Savoy)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:39:12 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] command-line query
In-Reply-To: <20040916023212.GL6470@server.onjapan.net>
References: <41487FBA.6020405@uleth.ca>
	<20040916023212.GL6470@server.onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <4149CFC0.3040509@uleth.ca>



>I showed an example of one way to do this from the command line a
>couple of months back:
>  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-June/037287.html
>
>(Although that particular message shows how to moderate from
>the command line, so you'll want to change the mm_cfg.Yes to
>mm_cfg.No to make an 'unmoderate' tool.)
>
>  
>
Thanks Jim. I'll try it.

PS Yesterday I began reading the mailman-users mailing list backwards
      and got as far as June 11th before leaving work. Your message was
     dated June 9th, so I would have found it today anyway!



From rufranco at utep.edu  Thu Sep 16 20:39:58 2004
From: rufranco at utep.edu (Franco, Ruben)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:39:58 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie mailman install
Message-ID: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650B4D@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>

Hello,
	I am setting up Mailman for the first time on a Redhat System and seem to be stuck in Hooking up my Apache Web server to the mailman installation.  When I bring up the Web server all I see are the files and directory listings within the installation Mailman directory

Our installation is under "/usr/local/mailman"

Below are the changes made to httpd.conf:

------------------------
DocumentRoot "/usr/local/mailman"

<Directory "/usr/local/mailman">

Alias /icons/ "/usr/local/mailman/icons/"
Alias /pipermail/ "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public"


<Directory "/usr/local/mailman/icons">
    Options Indexes MultiViews
    AllowOverride None
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>


ScriptAlias /mailman/  "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin"
ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"


<Directory "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin">
    AllowOverride None
    Options ExecCGI
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>
------------------------

Any assistance in this matter will be greatly appreciated.

Ruben



From bree at wave.co.nz  Thu Sep 16 23:02:51 2004
From: bree at wave.co.nz (Fred Look and Brenda Carson)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:02:51 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] local network 
Message-ID: <E1C83Py-0008KM-00@grunt13>



hi all
I recently upgraded to 2.1.5 on a debian

because our listadmin is on a local network with the sever we have always had 
to use the local address of the server rather than the public address to 
access the web pages. while this was a drag it still worked.

however after the upgrade the local address shows a different page to that 
seen from outside using the public url and all the links are broken

from outside everything is fine and works great !

what could be causing this ?

also can i somehow munge the dns or something so that local network users can 
use the public address of the web pages ?

fred


From jwt at OnJapan.net  Fri Sep 17 02:26:37 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:26:37 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending operations on the hidden mailman list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409161026320.30511-100000@Ariel.CS.Trinity.Edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409161026320.30511-100000@Ariel.CS.Trinity.Edu>
Message-ID: <20040917002636.GA25681@server.onjapan.net>

On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 10:34:53AM -0500, John Howland wrote:
> Now I get
> 
>  1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting
> 
> with directions to go to
> 
> http://WWW.CS.Trinity.Edu/mailman/admindb/mailman
> 
> which is useless in dealing with this problem.

It looks like you have an Apache configuration problem.  It
looks like you may have an over aggressive Apache rewrite rule.
Try visiting
  http://www.cs.trinity.edu/mailman/admin/mailman/A
and you should be able to administer your list.

(But the real fix is to track down what is happening in your
Apache configuration.)


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 17 02:59:34 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:59:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] illeagal email address
In-Reply-To: <BD6EFF51.1632E%jwblist@olympus.net>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409161759340671ec882481@msapiro>

John W. Baxter wrote:
>
>But that / isn't in the list name, it is in the local part of a (would-be)
>subscribed address.  At least as I read the question.
>
>I would indeed expect Mailman to prohibit a / in a list name.
>

Yes, and apparently it also prohibits it in a subscriber address. I
tried subscribing a slightly munged version of the address through the
mass subscribe interface on Mailman 2.1.4 with the following result

Error subscribing:

    * weincek_g/li at nogood.k12.il.us -- Hostile address (illegal
characters) 

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 17 03:05:19 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:05:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Outlook Express subscribers cannot see message
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040912213348.0324d3b0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409161805190578ec882415@msapiro>

Joseph Cain wrote:

>I have at least one subscriber on our list (waverly-l at tfn.net) that only 
>receives the headers and footer information for a message, but never the 
>message itself.
>
>Any ideas?

Have the Outlook Express user go to Tools->Options->Read and select
"Read all messages in plain text".

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 17 03:20:06 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:20:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending operations on the hidden mailman list
In-Reply-To: <20040917002636.GA25681@server.onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <PC171520040916182006082811bd3602@msapiro>

Jim Tittsler wrote:

>On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 10:34:53AM -0500, John Howland wrote:
>> Now I get
>> 
>>  1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting
>> 
>> with directions to go to
>> 
>> http://WWW.CS.Trinity.Edu/mailman/admindb/mailman
>> 
>> which is useless in dealing with this problem.
>
>It looks like you have an Apache configuration problem.  It
>looks like you may have an over aggressive Apache rewrite rule.
>Try visiting
>  http://www.cs.trinity.edu/mailman/admin/mailman/A
>and you should be able to administer your list.
>
>(But the real fix is to track down what is happening in your
>Apache configuration.)
>

I agree with Jim's analysis of the problem, but the solution probably
won't work. It will take you to the log in and then to the
administration page for the list, but the link from there to the "Tend
to pending moderator requests" page is still
http://WWW.CS.Trinity.Edu/mailman/admindb/mailman and will still be
rewritten by the web server. You'll need to go to
http://WWW.CS.Trinity.Edu/mailman/admindb/mailman/a or whatever to get
where you want to go.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 17 04:00:51 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:00:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Help.
In-Reply-To: <007601c49807$f81475e0$c25b2252@gaurav7klgnyif>
Message-ID: <PC17152004091619005107965c61b16f@msapiro>

Gaurav Malhotra wrote:
>
>How would i be able to create something that i can add on my website so people can subscribe to the list by adding there email address?
>

Visit the FAQ at
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and read article 4.33

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 17 04:07:08 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:07:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman - help
In-Reply-To: <4145B20E.859DC215@sel.eesc.usp.br>
Message-ID: <PC17152004091619070802505c61af22@msapiro>

Roseli Ribeiro wrote:

>Please, I don't Kwon how to do mailman send me an error message, when it
>doesn't send a message for all  addresses of the list. I need to know
>who doesn't received the message.
>Thank you
>Roseli

See the mailman bounce log (normally at $prefix/logs/bounce but
possibly changed by assignment to LOG_DIR in mm_cfg.py)

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Fri Sep 17 04:20:43 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:20:43 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users want to unsubscribe, but cannot find their
	e-mail address in the list
In-Reply-To: <1095321372.7260.12.camel@lrcs024a.lr.tudelft.nl>
References: <1095321372.7260.12.camel@lrcs024a.lr.tudelft.nl>
Message-ID: <414A49FB.5060102@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

There is a classical way.

> or is there some other way that they can figure out the address on the
> list that is getting them the mail?

Wait for the first day of the next month. A reminder is sent to the user
indicating which address is subscribed. Or, you can send any time by

% cd <prefix>
% python -S cron/mailpasswds

Remember, all the users on the list will receive their reminder.

Cheers,

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 17 05:05:12 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:05:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users want to unsubscribe,
	but cannot find theire-mail address in the list
In-Reply-To: <414A49FB.5060102@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <PC17152004091620051204376b6308e1@msapiro>

Tokio Kikuchi wrote:
>
>There is a classical way.
>
>> or is there some other way that they can figure out the address on the
>> list that is getting them the mail?
>
>Wait for the first day of the next month. A reminder is sent to the user
>indicating which address is subscribed. Or, you can send any time by
>
>% cd <prefix>
>% python -S cron/mailpasswds
>
>Remember, all the users on the list will receive their reminder.

Except for those who've turned off their password reminders which
according to Murphy's Law would be just those who you want to get it.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From jwblist at olympus.net  Fri Sep 17 06:31:00 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:31:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] illeagal email address
In-Reply-To: <PC1715200409161759340671ec882481@msapiro>
Message-ID: <BD6FB694.163AB%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 9/16/2004 17:59, "Mark Sapiro" <msapiro at value.net> wrote:

> John W. Baxter wrote:
>> 
>> But that / isn't in the list name, it is in the local part of a (would-be)
>> subscribed address.  At least as I read the question.
>> 
>> I would indeed expect Mailman to prohibit a / in a list name.
>> 
> 
> Yes, and apparently it also prohibits it in a subscriber address. I
> tried subscribing a slightly munged version of the address through the
> mass subscribe interface on Mailman 2.1.4 with the following result
> 
> Error subscribing:
> 
>   * weincek_g/li at nogood.k12.il.us -- Hostile address (illegal
> characters) 

Hmmm...that looks like something which should be considered for a future
code change.  That is, provide an option.  Mailman itself is unlikely to
toss a local part into a file path...I don't think it needs to be protected
from this particular legal local part.

Does Mailman accept the alternative legal form of the address:
   "weincek_g/li"@nogood.k12.il.us

I would guess that nogood.k12.il.us uses /xxxxx in much the same way other
servers use +xxxxx.  In this context, it likely triggers a server-time sort
into an IMAP folder named li (for lists?).

If I ever re-learn how to manipulate sourceforge (I haven't done anything
there but download from download mirrors--and toss out their occasional
mailing to members--in ages), I might give it a try.

  --John


From M.M.vanPaassen at lr.tudelft.nl  Fri Sep 17 09:07:55 2004
From: M.M.vanPaassen at lr.tudelft.nl (Rene van Paassen)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:07:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users want to unsubscribe, but cannot find
	theire-mail address in the list
In-Reply-To: <PC17152004091620051204376b6308e1@msapiro>
References: <PC17152004091620051204376b6308e1@msapiro>
Message-ID: <1095404875.7357.5.camel@lrcs024a.lr.tudelft.nl>

On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 05:05, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Tokio Kikuchi wrote:
> >
> >There is a classical way.
> >
> >> or is there some other way that they can figure out the address on the
> >> list that is getting them the mail?
> >
> >Wait for the first day of the next month. A reminder is sent to the user
> >indicating which address is subscribed. Or, you can send any time by
> >
> >% cd <prefix>
> >% python -S cron/mailpasswds
> >
> >Remember, all the users on the list will receive their reminder.
> 
> Except for those who've turned off their password reminders which
> according to Murphy's Law would be just those who you want to get it.
> 
> --
> Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

Thanks for all the suggestions. I actually took this one, and switched
on the password reminders for once. I had these off, since the list is
low-frequency, some 4 mails per year. After the server has been
upgraded, I will try the solution with 
OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes.

Greetings, 
	Ren?
-- 
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Assistant Professor                                tel. +31 15 278 5370
Faculty of Aerospace Engineering                   fax. +31 15 278 6480
Kluijverweg 1, NL-2629 HS  Delft         Delft University of Technology 
         >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.cs.lr.tudelft.nl <<<<<<<<<<<<



From rufranco at utep.edu  Fri Sep 17 09:32:15 2004
From: rufranco at utep.edu (Franco, Ruben)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:32:15 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redhat 3.0 & Mailman 2.1.5  wrapper?
Message-ID: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650BA5@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>

Ran an install of Mailman and seemed to go fine but when I run "genaliases" I get the following output:



## testlist mailing list
testlist:              "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist"
testlist-admin:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin testlist"
testlist-bounces:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces testlist"
testlist-confirm:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm testlist"
testlist-join:         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join testlist"
testlist-leave:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave testlist"
testlist-owner:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner testlist"
testlist-request:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request testlist"
testlist-subscribe:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe testlist"
testlist-unsubscribe:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe testlist"



All the examples I have seen have "mail/wrapper" instead of "mail/mailman".  I checked the "mail" directory and "mailman" is the only program found.


From rufranco at utep.edu  Fri Sep 17 09:45:35 2004
From: rufranco at utep.edu (Franco, Ruben)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:45:35 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redhat 3.0 & Mailman 2.1.5  wrapper?
Message-ID: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650BA7@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>


When I attempt to post to a list, here is the response I receive:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist"
    (reason: Service unavailable)
    (expanded from: <testlist at listserv.utep.edu>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed)
554 5.0.0 Service unavailable




-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Franco, Ruben
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:32 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redhat 3.0 & Mailman 2.1.5 wrapper?


Ran an install of Mailman and seemed to go fine but when I run "genaliases" I get the following output:



## testlist mailing list
testlist:              "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist"
testlist-admin:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin testlist"
testlist-bounces:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces testlist"
testlist-confirm:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm testlist"
testlist-join:         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join testlist"
testlist-leave:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave testlist"
testlist-owner:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner testlist"
testlist-request:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request testlist"
testlist-subscribe:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe testlist"
testlist-unsubscribe:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe testlist"



All the examples I have seen have "mail/wrapper" instead of "mail/mailman".  I checked the "mail" directory and "mailman" is the only program found.
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From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep 17 10:17:07 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:17:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redhat 3.0 & Mailman 2.1.5  wrapper?
In-Reply-To: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650BA5@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>
References: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650BA5@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>
Message-ID: <p0600202bbd704dd7a4e6@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:32 AM -0600 2004-09-17, Franco, Ruben wrote:

>  All the examples I have seen have "mail/wrapper" instead of "mail/mailman".
>  I checked the "mail" directory and "mailman" is the only program found.

	I can't speak for Redhat, but this is standard formatting for 
normal Mailman aliases.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep 17 10:18:01 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:18:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redhat 3.0 & Mailman 2.1.5  wrapper?
In-Reply-To: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650BA7@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>
References: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650BA7@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>
Message-ID: <p0600202cbd704e05afd5@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:45 AM -0600 2004-09-17, Franco, Ruben wrote:

>  When I attempt to post to a list, here is the response I receive:
>
>     ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist"
>      (reason: Service unavailable)
>      (expanded from: <testlist at listserv.utep.edu>)
>
>     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>  smrsh: "mailman" not available for sendmail programs (stat failed)
>  554 5.0.0 Service unavailable

	This is a problem with smrsh.  You need to read the documentation 
provided by your vendor regarding sendmail and smrsh and see what you 
need to do in order to put mailman on the list of approved programs 
that can be run via /etc/aliases.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 17 15:46:10 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 06:46:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redhat 3.0 & Mailman 2.1.5  wrapper?
In-Reply-To: <p0600202bbd704dd7a4e6@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409170646100609da1400eb@msapiro>

Brad Knowles wrote:

>At 1:32 AM -0600 2004-09-17, Franco, Ruben wrote:
>
>>  All the examples I have seen have "mail/wrapper" instead of "mail/mailman".
>>  I checked the "mail" directory and "mailman" is the only program found.
>
>	I can't speak for Redhat, but this is standard formatting for 
>normal Mailman aliases.

I believe in Mailman 2.0.x it was called "wrapper" and changed to
"mailman" in 2.1.x.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 17 16:52:16 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:52:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] illeagal email address
In-Reply-To: <BD6FB694.163AB%jwblist@olympus.net>
Message-ID: <PC171520040917075216001547b18aff@msapiro>

John W. Baxter wrote:
>
>Does Mailman accept the alternative legal form of the address:
>   "weincek_g/li"@nogood.k12.il.us

No. Same result as unquoted.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From dwight at significant.com  Fri Sep 17 18:20:51 2004
From: dwight at significant.com (Dwight A. Ernest)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:20:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't lock a list
Message-ID: <414B0EE3.2000603@significant.com>

Environment: mm 2.1.5, python 2.2.3, rhel es3 u2

(I've searched FAQ for this, in vain...)

On a list (called reach-l), which has a very large archive mbox, I just
tried to do

	$prefix/bin/arch --wipe reach-l

It got several hundred messages in and then blew up with a segmentation
fault. Reading a bit deeper, I see that perhaps I should have specified
some reasonable -s and -e values to limit the memory usage, but
hindsight is 20:20.

Since then, I've been unable to get a lock on the list. When I try, e.g,

	$prefix/bin/arch -s 1 -e 499 --wipe reach-l

...it just hangs. When I interrupt (^C), I see:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/var/mailman/bin/arch", line 189, in ?
     main()
   File "/var/mailman/bin/arch", line 141, in main
     mlist = MailList(listname)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 126, in __init__
     self.Lock()
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 159, in Lock
     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 312, in lock
     self.__sleep()
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 496, in __sleep
     time.sleep(interval)
KeyboardInterrupt

...which I believe I can reproduce in its most simple case with this:

[mailman at lists reach-l]$ /var/mailman/bin/withlist reach-l
Loading list reach-l (unlocked)
The variable `m' is the reach-l MailList instance
>>> m.Lock()

[it just hangs until I ^C, then:]

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "<console>", line 1, in ?
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 159, in Lock
     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 312, in lock
     self.__sleep()
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 496, in __sleep
     time.sleep(interval)
KeyboardInterrupt
>>> m.Unlock()
>>>
Finalizing
[mailman at lists reach-l]$

How can I clean things up for this list such that service code that
wants to, can get a lock on the list?

-- 
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Cell: +1-508-523-1416    FAX: +1-978-405-2504    YIM: dwight_ernest
RHCE #803004293310030    http://significant.com/~dwight/     KA2CNN
Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser.





From joe at theMezz.com  Fri Sep 17 18:50:35 2004
From: joe at theMezz.com (Joe Mezzanini)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:50:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] descriptors on listinfo page
Message-ID: <200409171250350268.033FC4F0@outgoing.verizon.net>

I cannot seem to find where I can edit the description of each mail list on

http://themezz.com/mailman/listinfo

Thanks,
Joe Mezzanini
http://theMezz.com



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 17 19:04:37 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:04:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] descriptors on listinfo page
In-Reply-To: <200409171250350268.033FC4F0@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409171004370937fc74b42e@msapiro>

Joe Mezzanini wrote:

>I cannot seem to find where I can edit the description of each mail list on
>
>http://themezz.com/mailman/listinfo
>

The list's admin->general options page "A terse phrase identifying this
list" (description).
	
--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From joe at theMezz.com  Fri Sep 17 19:55:04 2004
From: joe at theMezz.com (Joe Mezzanini)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:55:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting
Message-ID: <200409171355040392.037ACEB3@outgoing.verizon.net>

I created a couple of test lists now I need to delete just one of them.
How do I delete one?
I do not see it anywhere on the admin menus

thx



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 17 20:56:24 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:56:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting
In-Reply-To: <200409171355040392.037ACEB3@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <PC17152004091711562404065c61afce@msapiro>

Joe Mezzanini wrote:

>I created a couple of test lists now I need to delete just one of them.
>How do I delete one?
>I do not see it anywhere on the admin menus
>

It doesn't appear on the GUI pages unless
  OWNERS_CAN_DELETE_THEIR_OWN_LISTS = Yes
in mm_cfg.py (or Defaults.py)

>From the command line see bin/rmlist --help

See also article 4.31 in the FAQ
(http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py)

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From jhowland at ariel.cs.trinity.edu  Fri Sep 17 23:26:53 2004
From: jhowland at ariel.cs.trinity.edu (John Howland)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:26:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending operations on the hidden mailman list
In-Reply-To: <PC171520040916182006082811bd3602@msapiro>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409171625030.3262-100000@Ariel.CS.Trinity.Edu>

On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Jim Tittsler wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 10:34:53AM -0500, John Howland wrote:
> >> Now I get
> >> 
> >>  1 Mailman moderator request(s) waiting
> >> 
> >> with directions to go to
> >> 
> >> http://WWW.CS.Trinity.Edu/mailman/admindb/mailman
> >> 
> >> which is useless in dealing with this problem.
> >
> >It looks like you have an Apache configuration problem.  It
> >looks like you may have an over aggressive Apache rewrite rule.
> >Try visiting
> >  http://www.cs.trinity.edu/mailman/admin/mailman/A
> >and you should be able to administer your list.
> >
> >(But the real fix is to track down what is happening in your
> >Apache configuration.)
> >
> 
> I agree with Jim's analysis of the problem, but the solution probably
> won't work. It will take you to the log in and then to the
> administration page for the list, but the link from there to the "Tend
> to pending moderator requests" page is still
> http://WWW.CS.Trinity.Edu/mailman/admindb/mailman and will still be
> rewritten by the web server. You'll need to go to
> http://WWW.CS.Trinity.Edu/mailman/admindb/mailman/a or whatever to get

My thanks to Mark (and Jim).  The above solved my problem.

> where you want to go.
> 
> --
> Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 

-- 
_______________________________________________________________
John E. Howland       url: http://www.cs.trinity.edu/~jhowland/
Computer Science    email: jhowland at ariel.cs.trinity.edu
Trinity University  voice: (210) 999-7364
One Trinity Place     fax: (210) 999-7477
San Antonio, Texas  78212-7200



From theall at tifaware.com  Sat Sep 18 02:38:31 2004
From: theall at tifaware.com (George Theall)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:38:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] illeagal email address
In-Reply-To: <BD6FB694.163AB%jwblist@olympus.net>
References: <PC1715200409161759340671ec882481@msapiro>
	<BD6FB694.163AB%jwblist@olympus.net>
Message-ID: <20040918003831.GA14242@tifaware.com>

On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 09:31:00PM -0700, John W. Baxter wrote:

> I would guess that nogood.k12.il.us uses /xxxxx in much the same way other
> servers use +xxxxx.

Such addresses are characteristic of HP OpenMail (aka Samsung Contact),
and indeed if you go to <http://dns.u46.k12.il.us/> (the actual host in
question), you can see that's what's being used.  Accounts in OpenMail
contain slashes, as do the associated email addresses.  [The slashes
delineate "mailnodes" and derive from the product's X.400 origins.] HP
even gave away licenses for small installations of the linux version
several years ago, which is probably how it came to be on a K-12 site. 

George
-- 
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From joe at theMezz.com  Sat Sep 18 03:22:55 2004
From: joe at theMezz.com (Joe Mezzanini)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:22:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce only
Message-ID: <200409172122550533.0514D416@outgoing.verizon.net>

I created an announce only mail list using the instructions here  http://www.modwest.com/help/kb13-195.html

It works fine, but I get the auto responder with every post that I make.  am the list admin and do not want to get the autoresponder  - -anyway to disable it for me, or perhaps a better way to make the announce only list in the 1st place?

thanks

 ----------------
http://theMezz.com
Backup e-mail: the.Mezz at verizon.net
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From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 18 04:25:37 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:25:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce only
In-Reply-To: <200409172122550533.0514D416@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409171925370774c9939ceb@msapiro>

Joe Mezzanini wrote:

>I created an announce only mail list using the instructions here  http://www.modwest.com/help/kb13-195.html
>
>It works fine, but I get the auto responder with every post that I make.  am the list admin and do not want to get the autoresponder  - -anyway to disable it for me, or perhaps a better way to make the announce only list in the 1st place?
>
>

The instructions in
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
article 3.11 are more complete.

In particular, read the section headed "How to post to the announcement
list:".

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From abbas at mustafacomputers.com  Sat Sep 18 08:57:26 2004
From: abbas at mustafacomputers.com (Abbas Qaizar)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:57:26 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation of Emails ????
Message-ID: <01b701c49d4d$057df540$0600000a@mcnp>

Dear All,

I have around 2000+ valid Email addresses...................

If I don't want to invite people to subscribe on this mailinglist and if I add their addresses myself in this list then will they get mails / messages ??? 

How will I know that they are getting my mails ??? 

Is there any way for the confirmation of receipts ???

Pls. advise.

Best Regards

Abbas Qaizar

Mustafa Computers & Peripherals
Suite 28, Level 12 R.K.Square Extension
Main Shahra-e-Liaquat 
Karachi-74000
Sindh-Pakistan

Tel 092 - 21 - 2400326 / 2425833 

Fax 092 - 21 - 2437783

Website http://www.mustafacomputers.com
Email  abbas at mustafacomputers.com



From jpritikin at pobox.com  Sat Sep 18 16:21:15 2004
From: jpritikin at pobox.com (Joshua N Pritikin)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 19:51:15 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] what is a basic apache2 config for mailman?
Message-ID: <20040918142114.GC1076@always.joy.eth.net>

mailman 2.1.5-1 (debian)

I've gotten mailman installed and working, but I can't figure out how
to set up the web interface.  I'm using apache2, and typically mailman
should install a basic example config in /etc/apache2/sites-available.

I've attached what I've come up with so far. It doesn't work.

I'm sorry to post what must seem like a stupid question, but I've
spent a few hours searching the FAQ, mailing lists, and
documentation. The answer is not there, at least not in a form which I
could easily pluck.

Please have pity on me and get me a clue.

-- 
A new cognitive theory of emotion, http://openheartlogic.org
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<VirtualHost *:80>
	ServerName lists.nirmalvihar.info

	Alias /icons/ "/var/lib/mailman/icons"

	ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/
	<Directory "/usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman">
		AllowOverride None
		Options +ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch
		Order allow,deny
		Allow from all
		SetHandler cgi-script
	</Directory>

	ErrorLog /var/log/apache2/error.log

	# Possible values include: debug, info, notice, warn, error, crit,
	# alert, emerg.
	LogLevel warn

	CustomLog /var/log/apache2/access.log combined
	ServerSignature On
	
</VirtualHost>
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From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 18 18:11:07 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:11:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation of Emails ????
In-Reply-To: <01b701c49d4d$057df540$0600000a@mcnp>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409180911070015248f0eb6@msapiro>

Abbas Qaizar wrote:
>
>If I don't want to invite people to subscribe on this mailinglist and if I add their addresses myself in this list then will they get mails / messages ??? 
>

Yes.

>How will I know that they are getting my mails ??? 

If they are subscribed and their delivery is enabled and they are not
bouncing and Mailman is not broken, you can assume the messages are
getting at least as far as their incoming MTA's

>Is there any way for the confirmation of receipts ???

You could modify the Mailman code to add a Disposition-Notification-To:
or other header to your outgoing messages, but this is a BAD idea.
Such receipt requests are generally considered extremely impolite at
best when used in mailing list messages, and they are generally
inneffective anyway. Many MUAs don't recognize them and those that do
are often set by their users to not return receipts at all or to not
return receipts for messages not specifically addressed to them (i.e.
list messages).

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From gaf at blu.org  Sat Sep 18 20:29:23 2004
From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:29:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving to another server
Message-ID: <20040918142923.076b5585@gaf.gaf.net>

We currently maintain mailman 2.0.6 (ancient :-) on our old server. We
have recently installed a new server that has mailman 2.1.4 installed. I
would like to get some advice on moving our 30 listservs over. The 2
servers are located in the same rack, and are in the same domain. 

Some of the questions in my mind is what files we need to migrate. I
know that the archives need only be copied, but should I copy the
~mailman/lists/<listname> directories or should we create new lists on
the new server, and add the list members et. al. My preference is to
migrate only a few lists at the time, but I am also concerned with the
list management web pages (eg. <domain>/mailman/listinfo/<listname>). 

-- 
Jerry Feldman <gaf at blu.org>
Boston Linux and Unix user group
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From web at thetrick.us  Sat Sep 18 21:42:36 2004
From: web at thetrick.us (Tony)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:42:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Bounce Notification
Message-ID: <LPBBKJPEAJFOHLGAMGJLOEJBCMAA.web@thetrick.us>

I am running a mailing list on 2.1.5 as a distribution list only and am not
receiving any bounce information, nor are the invalid addresses being
removed or disabled.  Here are my bounce settings:

Should Mailman perform automatic bounce processing?
Yes

Bounce Score Threshold
.5

Stale Data Discard
7

Disable Warning
0

Disable Warning Interval
1

Notifications:
All set to Yes

I have them said pretty sensitive right now for testing.  Anyone have any
ideas?  Any known bugs? Any work arounds?

Regards,
Tony



From john at wa9als.com  Sat Sep 18 21:44:43 2004
From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:44:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Archives
Message-ID: <000701c49db7$f2744a60$2201a8c0@105.56.105>

I've searched the archives and FAQ.  Everything I've tried in Mailman works
except I have no archives.  Surfing the archive link
http://www.wa9als.com/pipermail/spamassassin/ just returns a page not found
error.

What's most likely the problem?  Does the link look correct for a list named
"spamassassin"?  FWIW,  /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py does
exist.
Thanks - John



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 18 22:12:14 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:12:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Bounce Notification
In-Reply-To: <LPBBKJPEAJFOHLGAMGJLOEJBCMAA.web@thetrick.us>
Message-ID: <PC17152004091813121402347fa8c078@msapiro>

Tony wrote:

>I am running a mailing list on 2.1.5 as a distribution list only and am not
>receiving any bounce information, nor are the invalid addresses being
>removed or disabled.  Here are my bounce settings:
>
>Should Mailman perform automatic bounce processing?
>Yes
>
>Bounce Score Threshold
>..5

Is that a typo or does the value really have 2 decimal points?

>Stale Data Discard
>7
>
>Disable Warning
>0
>
>Disable Warning Interval
>1
>
>Notifications:
>All set to Yes
>
>I have them said pretty sensitive right now for testing.  Anyone have any
>ideas?  Any known bugs? Any work arounds?

The settings above (except maybe "..5") look like the first bounce
should remove the member and notify the owner.

Do you have access to the Mailman bounce log? If so, what's in it?

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 18 22:47:00 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:47:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Archives
In-Reply-To: <000701c49db7$f2744a60$2201a8c0@105.56.105>
Message-ID: <PC171520040918134700056262b62792@msapiro>

John Fleming wrote:

>I've searched the archives and FAQ.  Everything I've tried in Mailman works
>except I have no archives.  Surfing the archive link
>http://www.wa9als.com/pipermail/spamassassin/ just returns a page not found
>error.
>
>What's most likely the problem?  Does the link look correct for a list named
>"spamassassin"?  FWIW,  /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py does
>exist.

Is archiving turned on for the list in its Archiving Options?

Is the Archive public? If not, the above link won't work - it needs to
be http://www.wa9als.com/mailman/private/spamassassin/ (which does
seem to work or at least take me to a login page). Even if the archive
is public, there needs to be an alias for /pipermail/ in your web
server.

Does /usr/lib/mailman/archives/private/spamassassin/ exist? (Even
public archives are in the private/ directory - the public/ directory
just contains symlinks.)

Is ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX set appropriately (Defaults.py|mm_cfg.py)?

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From john at wa9als.com  Sat Sep 18 23:15:19 2004
From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:15:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Archives
References: <PC171520040918134700056262b62792@msapiro>
Message-ID: <002b01c49dc4$a96a3fc0$a7814094@wn9als>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Sapiro" <msapiro at value.net>
To: "John Fleming" <john at wa9als.com>; <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] No Archives


> John Fleming wrote:
>
> >I've searched the archives and FAQ.  Everything I've tried in Mailman
works
> >except I have no archives.  Surfing the archive link
> >http://www.wa9als.com/pipermail/spamassassin/ just returns a page not
found
> >error.
> >
> >What's most likely the problem?  Does the link look correct for a list
named
> >"spamassassin"?  FWIW,  /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py
does
> >exist.
>
> Is archiving turned on for the list in its Archiving Options?
>
> Is the Archive public? If not, the above link won't work - it needs to
> be http://www.wa9als.com/mailman/private/spamassassin/ (which does
> seem to work or at least take me to a login page). Even if the archive
> is public, there needs to be an alias for /pipermail/ in your web
> server.

Yes, it's public, and the above link works and displays the archive.  Thus I
think the problem is related to the alias - What should it be exactly??




From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 18 23:27:16 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:27:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Archives
In-Reply-To: <002b01c49dc4$a96a3fc0$a7814094@wn9als>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409181427160953fd3bf049@msapiro>

John Fleming wrote:
>
>Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> Is the Archive public? If not, the above link won't work - it needs to
>> be http://www.wa9als.com/mailman/private/spamassassin/ (which does
>> seem to work or at least take me to a login page). Even if the archive
>> is public, there needs to be an alias for /pipermail/ in your web
>> server.
>
>Yes, it's public, and the above link works and displays the archive.  Thus I
>think the problem is related to the alias - What should it be exactly??
>

>From the Mailman INSTALL document:

    - Configure your web server to point to the Pipermail public
      mailing list archives:

      For example, in Apache:

         Alias /pipermail/ $varprefix/archives/public/

      where $varprefix is usually $prefix unless you've used the
      --with-var-prefix option to configure.

      Consult your web server's documentation for details.  Also be
      sure to configure your web server to follow symbolic links in
      this directory, otherwise public Pipermail archives won't be
      accessible.  For Apache users, consult the FollowSymLinks
      option.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From web at thetrick.us  Sat Sep 18 23:43:57 2004
From: web at thetrick.us (Tony)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 15:43:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Bounce Notification
In-Reply-To: <PC17152004091813121402347fa8c078@msapiro>
Message-ID: <LPBBKJPEAJFOHLGAMGJLGEJDCMAA.web@thetrick.us>

I have limited shell access and am unable to view the /var/log/maillog.
 ..5 is a typo for the Bounce Score.  It should be 0.5

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 2:12 PM
To: Tony; Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] No Bounce Notification

Tony wrote:

>I am running a mailing list on 2.1.5 as a distribution list only and am not
>receiving any bounce information, nor are the invalid addresses being
>removed or disabled.  Here are my bounce settings:
>
>Should Mailman perform automatic bounce processing?
>Yes
>
>Bounce Score Threshold
>..5

Is that a typo or does the value really have 2 decimal points?

>Stale Data Discard
>7
>
>Disable Warning
>0
>
>Disable Warning Interval
>1
>
>Notifications:
>All set to Yes
>
>I have them said pretty sensitive right now for testing.  Anyone have any
>ideas?  Any known bugs? Any work arounds?

The settings above (except maybe "..5") look like the first bounce
should remove the member and notify the owner.

Do you have access to the Mailman bounce log? If so, what's in it?

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan




From Naturalpistol101 at aol.com  Sat Sep 18 23:51:06 2004
From: Naturalpistol101 at aol.com (Naturalpistol101 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 17:51:06 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 7, Issue 46
Message-ID: <1d8.2aedbd1f.2e7e07ca@aol.com>

who is this from 


From john at wa9als.com  Sun Sep 19 02:42:18 2004
From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 19:42:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Archives
References: <PC1715200409181427160953fd3bf049@msapiro>
Message-ID: <001901c49de1$97875e10$a7814094@wn9als>

> >From the Mailman INSTALL document:
>
>     - Configure your web server to point to the Pipermail public
>       mailing list archives:
>
>       For example, in Apache:
>
>          Alias /pipermail/ $varprefix/archives/public/
>
>       where $varprefix is usually $prefix unless you've used the
>       --with-var-prefix option to configure.

Thanks, Mark.  I needed:

Alias /pipermail/   /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/

I'm a newbie, but I couldn't get $varprefix or $prefix paths to work, but
the full path works great, and the archives are there.  - John




From john at wa9als.com  Sun Sep 19 15:12:42 2004
From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 08:12:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual host reference and listinfo
Message-ID: <000701c49e4a$693f2150$a7814094@wn9als>

Consider 2 virtual hosts and their listinfo pages.
www.domain1.com/mailman/listinfo shows the expected list information pages.
however, domain1.com/mailman/listinfo says that there are no publicly
advertised list at that domain.

In contrast, both www.domain2.com/mailman/listinfo and
domain2.com/mailman/listinfo show the expected pages and lists.

Both domains have analogous add_virtualhost entries in mm_cfg.py.  The only
difference is that domain1.com is the DEFAULT_URL_HOST in mm_cfg.py.

Any ideas?  Thanks - John




From m.aalbregt at hccnet.nl  Sun Sep 19 17:37:47 2004
From: m.aalbregt at hccnet.nl (m.aalbregt at hccnet.nl)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:37:47 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help on privacy options !?!
Message-ID: <200409191537.i8JFbl22026068@smtp10.hccnet.nl>

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From msapiro at value.net  Sun Sep 19 17:54:19 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 08:54:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Bounce Notification
In-Reply-To: <LPBBKJPEAJFOHLGAMGJLGEJDCMAA.web@thetrick.us>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409190854190296643cc15b@msapiro>

Tony wrote in response to my "Original Message" below which I
inadvertently neglected to copy to the list:

>Hmm...I do not know were the install directory.

It might be /usr/local/mailman (the default), or it could be elsewhere.
On some Debian systems it is /var/lib/mailman.

>I am having someone host my
>website and all of the configurations are done through Cpanel.

See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp

>MTA alias?  Where do I set that up or check that?
>"Hostname this list prefers for email" is currently set to "mail.domain.com"
>I tried at domain.com with the same results

Try sending a test e-mail to <yourlistname>-bounces at mail.domain.com.
This should result in an entry in the bounce log and in Mailman's
sending the message to the list owner as an unrecognized bounce. If
instead, the message is returned to you by the incoming MTA, The MTA
is not set up properly. This would have to be addressed through your
web host or CPanel, neither of which I can help with.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net]
>Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:59 PM
>To: Tony
>Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] No Bounce Notification
>
>>I have limited shell access and am unable to view the /var/log/maillog.
>
>That's not the log I mean. The log I mean is by default
>$prefix/logs/bounce, but the directory could be changed by assignment
>to LOG_DIR in mm_cfg.py ($prefix is the location of your mailman
>installation).
>
>> ..5 is a typo for the Bounce Score.  It should be 0.5
>
>I assume you mean it was a typo in your e-mail and is actually set to
>0.5. In that case, as I said before, it looks right to me.
>
>Do you have an appropriate MTA alias for the listname-bounces address?
>

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sun Sep 19 18:29:12 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 09:29:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help on privacy options !?!
In-Reply-To: <200409191537.i8JFbl22026068@smtp10.hccnet.nl>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409190929120406348c3fe2@msapiro>

Matt wrote:
>
>So I was wondering if you can tell Mailman to automatically except mail from non-list members, but who are listmembers from the other 2 lists, in the Privacy section. Of course non-list members who are not member of any of the other 2 lists should not be able to post.
>
>Hope anyone can help me... If this is not possible yet in Mailman 2.1 I think this would be a very cool feature...
>

Essentially the same question was asked a few days ago (see
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-September/039480.html).

The lack of response to that post tells me that my "gut feeling" that
this is not possible (at least not without hacking the Python code) is
correct.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From web at thetrick.us  Sun Sep 19 20:42:19 2004
From: web at thetrick.us (Tony)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:42:19 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Bounce Notification
In-Reply-To: <PC1715200409190854190296643cc15b@msapiro>
Message-ID: <LPBBKJPEAJFOHLGAMGJLKEJLCMAA.web@thetrick.us>

Thanks for the info and your help Mark.  I have done some looking at the
Cpanel site, but will do some more.

I sent the test message per your instructions and as a result, the list
owner received this message:
-------------
Subject: Uncaught bounce notification
The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all
unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).

For more information see:
http://domain.com/mailman/admin/list1_domain.com/bounce
-------------

It appears the bounce process is processing the messages, but is only
forwarding on unrecognized messages.  What is it doing with recognized
bounce messages?

The settings in Cpanel are minimal and the settings in Mailman appear to be
correct.  I prefer not going to the webhoster helpdesk blind without having
a sense of the problem.  Does the above statement of the problem appear to
be accurate?   Anyone have any additional thoughts?

Regards,
Tony


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net]
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:54 AM
To: Tony; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] No Bounce Notification

Tony wrote in response to my "Original Message" below which I
inadvertently neglected to copy to the list:

>Hmm...I do not know were the install directory.

It might be /usr/local/mailman (the default), or it could be elsewhere.
On some Debian systems it is /var/lib/mailman.

>I am having someone host my
>website and all of the configurations are done through Cpanel.

See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp

>MTA alias?  Where do I set that up or check that?
>"Hostname this list prefers for email" is currently set to
"mail.domain.com"
>I tried at domain.com with the same results

Try sending a test e-mail to <yourlistname>-bounces at mail.domain.com.
This should result in an entry in the bounce log and in Mailman's
sending the message to the list owner as an unrecognized bounce. If
instead, the message is returned to you by the incoming MTA, The MTA
is not set up properly. This would have to be addressed through your
web host or CPanel, neither of which I can help with.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net]
>Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:59 PM
>To: Tony
>Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] No Bounce Notification
>
>>I have limited shell access and am unable to view the /var/log/maillog.
>
>That's not the log I mean. The log I mean is by default
>$prefix/logs/bounce, but the directory could be changed by assignment
>to LOG_DIR in mm_cfg.py ($prefix is the location of your mailman
>installation).
>
>> ..5 is a typo for the Bounce Score.  It should be 0.5
>
>I assume you mean it was a typo in your e-mail and is actually set to
>0.5. In that case, as I said before, it looks right to me.
>
>Do you have an appropriate MTA alias for the listname-bounces address?
>

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan




From msapiro at value.net  Sun Sep 19 22:21:05 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 13:21:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Bounce Notification
In-Reply-To: <LPBBKJPEAJFOHLGAMGJLKEJLCMAA.web@thetrick.us>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409191321050140643cc0b1@msapiro>

Tony wrote:

>Thanks for the info and your help Mark.  I have done some looking at the
>Cpanel site, but will do some more.
>
>I sent the test message per your instructions and as a result, the list
>owner received this message:
>-------------
>Subject: Uncaught bounce notification
>The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
>format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
>from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all
>unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).
>
>For more information see:
>http://domain.com/mailman/admin/list1_domain.com/bounce
>-------------
>
>It appears the bounce process is processing the messages, but is only
>forwarding on unrecognized messages.  What is it doing with recognized
>bounce messages?

Yes, the message above is exactly the expected result for an
unrecognized bounce. For a recognized bounce, bounce processing should
note the bounce in the bounce log I've mentioned before (actually, it
does this for the unrecognized bounces as well). It then updates the
bounce score for the user and takes any appropriate action as
determined by the options on the Bounce Processing page for the list.

The settings you reported earlier in this thread should unsubscribe the
user and notify the list owner on the first bounce.

>The settings in Cpanel are minimal and the settings in Mailman appear to be
>correct.  I prefer not going to the webhoster helpdesk blind without having
>a sense of the problem.  Does the above statement of the problem appear to
>be accurate?   Anyone have any additional thoughts?

My thoughts are:

1) Is the list actually sending mail? (I assume you would be asking
different questions if it weren't, but assumptions are always risky.)

2) Are there actually invalid addresses on the list that should be
bouncing? (It would be easy to mass subscribe one to be sure. Maybe
you've already done this.)

3) What's in the Mailman bounce log?

4) Are there any relevant entries in the Mailman error log (in the same
directory as the bounce log)?

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From web at thetrick.us  Sun Sep 19 22:41:00 2004
From: web at thetrick.us (Tony)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:41:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Bounce Notification
In-Reply-To: <PC1715200409191321050140643cc0b1@msapiro>
Message-ID: <LPBBKJPEAJFOHLGAMGJLAEJOCMAA.web@thetrick.us>

See comments below:  It appears without the knowing what the logs are
saying, there is little that can be done.  I have logged a case with the
helpdesk and will let you know the results.

Thanks again for your help and responses.  At least I understand a bit of
what is going on.
Regards,
Tony


>Thanks for the info and your help Mark.  I have done some looking at the
>Cpanel site, but will do some more.
>
>I sent the test message per your instructions and as a result, the list
>owner received this message:
>-------------
>Subject: Uncaught bounce notification
>The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
>format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
>from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all
>unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).
>
>For more information see:
>http://domain.com/mailman/admin/list1_domain.com/bounce
>-------------
>
>It appears the bounce process is processing the messages, but is only
>forwarding on unrecognized messages.  What is it doing with recognized
>bounce messages?

Yes, the message above is exactly the expected result for an
unrecognized bounce. For a recognized bounce, bounce processing should
note the bounce in the bounce log I've mentioned before (actually, it
does this for the unrecognized bounces as well). It then updates the
bounce score for the user and takes any appropriate action as
determined by the options on the Bounce Processing page for the list.

The settings you reported earlier in this thread should unsubscribe the
user and notify the list owner on the first bounce.

>The settings in Cpanel are minimal and the settings in Mailman appear to be
>correct.  I prefer not going to the webhoster helpdesk blind without having
>a sense of the problem.  Does the above statement of the problem appear to
>be accurate?   Anyone have any additional thoughts?

My thoughts are:

1) Is the list actually sending mail? (I assume you would be asking
different questions if it weren't, but assumptions are always risky.)
-Tony-
Yes, mail is being sent to the "one" good address on this testlist

2) Are there actually invalid addresses on the list that should be
bouncing? (It would be easy to mass subscribe one to be sure. Maybe
you've already done this.)
-Tony-
Invalid addresses are as follows:
12345 at operamail.com; abc at abc.abc; noaddess at yahoo.com; tony at tony.tony

When I subscribed everyone on my testlist, I received the bounce
confirmation for all of the addresses that were just added, included the
invalid ones.

3) What's in the Mailman bounce log?
-Tony-
Wish we knew.  I don't have access to them

4) Are there any relevant entries in the Mailman error log (in the same
directory as the bounce log)?
-Tony-
Wish we knew.  I don't have access to them

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan




From bree at wave.co.nz  Sun Sep 19 23:49:09 2004
From: bree at wave.co.nz (Fred Look and Brenda Carson)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:49:09 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual host reference and listinfo
Message-ID: <E1C99ZV-0008Oy-00@grunt2.ihug.co.nz>


Hi 
I have a almost the same problem

In this case accessing the listinfo thru its public url (ie from outside thru 
the router) gives the correct pages

but accessing it using its local network address gives the no public lists 
page (and all the links are absolute urls so cant move anywhere).

I would like to give you the answer but i havent figured it out yet 
however i think it may have something to do with these lines from
 /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py


def get_domain():
    #host = os.environ.get('HTTP_HOST', os.environ.get('SERVER_NAME'))
    #port = os.environ.get('SERVER_PORT')
    # Strip off the port if there is one
    ##if port and host.endswith(':' + port):
    ##     host = host[:-len(port)-1]
    #if mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW and host:
    #    return host.lower()
    #else:
        # See the note in Defaults.py concerning DEFAULT_HOST_NAME
        # vs. DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.
        hostname = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_HOST_NAME or mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_HOST
        return hostname.lower()


any python experts around ?

Fred





On Monday 20 September 2004 01:12, you wrote:
> Consider 2 virtual hosts and their listinfo pages.
> www.domain1.com/mailman/listinfo shows the expected list information pages.
> however, domain1.com/mailman/listinfo says that there are no publicly
> advertised list at that domain.
>
> In contrast, both www.domain2.com/mailman/listinfo and
> domain2.com/mailman/listinfo show the expected pages and lists.
>
> Both domains have analogous add_virtualhost entries in mm_cfg.py.  The only
> difference is that domain1.com is the DEFAULT_URL_HOST in mm_cfg.py.
>
> Any ideas?  Thanks - John
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------


From Naturalpistol101 at aol.com  Mon Sep 20 01:59:59 2004
From: Naturalpistol101 at aol.com (Naturalpistol101 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:59:59 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 7, Issue 47
Message-ID: <1cf.2b8a7e6e.2e7f777f@aol.com>

from who 


From Naturalpistol101 at aol.com  Mon Sep 20 02:04:02 2004
From: Naturalpistol101 at aol.com (Naturalpistol101 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:04:02 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 7, Issue 48
Message-ID: <1a3.29b35dfc.2e7f7872@aol.com>

sorry i do not know you  bye 


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Mon Sep 20 01:50:50 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:50:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help on privacy options !?!
In-Reply-To: <200409191537.i8JFbl22026068@smtp10.hccnet.nl>
References: <200409191537.i8JFbl22026068@smtp10.hccnet.nl>
Message-ID: <p06002000bd73cb7e69a6@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:37 PM +0200 2004-09-19, m.aalbregt at hccnet.nl wrote:

>  So I was wondering if you can tell Mailman to automatically except mail
>  from non-list members, but who are listmembers from the other 2 lists,
>  in the Privacy section. Of course non-list members who are not member of
>  any of the other 2 lists should not be able to post.

	Not per se, no.  You can put them on the whitelist, but you can't 
point one whitelist of one list at a whitelist or subscriber list for 
another list.

	If this is a feature you'd like to add, please note that Mailman 
is an Open Source project, and your patches/code would be welcomed. 
Please use the SourceForge interface for uploading patches, filing 
bugs, etc....

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From embrey at hood.edu  Mon Sep 20 05:05:38 2004
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 23:05:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maintaining Mailman
Message-ID: <web-2216761@hermes.hood.edu>

Mailman Users:

I run Mailman 2.1.5. Recently I have had some delays where
messages sent from server1(mailserver) to server2(mailman).
The mailman lists are for internal mailinglists. I had seen
delays of 20-45 minutes for lists with 600 members. Mailman
is configured for max recipients of 100.

It appears I have resolved this problem. I wanted to find
out what tools people are using to maintain the efficiency
of their mailman server.

Bruce Embrey

Bruce Edward Embrey : Linux Administrator
Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927


From jtnelson at el-camino.net  Mon Sep 20 08:44:04 2004
From: jtnelson at el-camino.net (Jeff Nelson)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:44:04 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderation not working
Message-ID: <200409201044.04814.jtnelson@el-camino.net>

Hello,
My fresh install of Mailman 2.1.5 seems to be OK, except that moderation isn't 
working.  When moderation is set, messages to the list disappear into a black 
hole, and the moderator isn't even notified.  

Messages do go through when moderation is deactivated.  

I've pored through all the options to make sure I'm not doing something 
wrong--moderation bits are set, moderation is on (have even tried emergency 
moderation), and it's set to notify the moderator immediately about new 
messages.  

My MTA is Postfix 1.1.11-0, Python 2.1.3-3, OS Debian stable (woody)/kernel 
2.2.20, on Compaq Proliant 1600 (PII) hardware.  

(There may be one other problem; a user reported that without moderation set, 
messages from non list-members were going through, even though the options 
didn't allow that.)

I have checked permissions and owners, and configured Mailman with the 
following options:

--with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi-gid=www-data

I also followed the instructions for configuring Mailman to work with 
Postfix--i.e., modifying the postfix config to look for the mailman aliases 
file.  I have run newaliases and reloaded Postfix.  (Several times!)  

Here is the business part of my mm_cfg.py:

##################################################
# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.

MTA = 'Postfix'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'my.domain.is.here.in.the.real.file.net'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'my.domain.is.here.in.the.real.file.net'


Help?!?!

Jeff Nelson


From sarav_gsa at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 20 13:39:41 2004
From: sarav_gsa at yahoo.com (saravanan ganapathy)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 04:39:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modify member address
Message-ID: <20040920113941.95324.qmail@web51705.mail.yahoo.com>

Hai,
  I am new for this list.

I have installed & configured mailman 2.1.4 for my
internal usage.I have nearly 75 mailing lists. But all
member/owner addresses are in same domain only
(ex. *@a.z.com)

Now I need to change my domain from a.z.com to z.com,
Due to this effect, I have to change all of my
member/owner addresses ( *@a.z.com to *@z.com). 

I searched lot, but couldn't find a soultion for this.

Pls suggest me the possible ways(scripts if any) to
change all of my addresses.

Sarav


		
__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish.
http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail 


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Mon Sep 20 15:33:05 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:33:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modify member address
In-Reply-To: <20040920113941.95324.qmail@web51705.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040920113941.95324.qmail@web51705.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06002000bd748bb9777c@[10.0.1.3]>

At 4:39 AM -0700 2004-09-20, saravanan ganapathy wrote:

>  Now I need to change my domain from a.z.com to z.com,
>  Due to this effect, I have to change all of my
>  member/owner addresses ( *@a.z.com to *@z.com).
>
>  I searched lot, but couldn't find a soultion for this.

	The easiest way to do this is to do some simple shell scripting 
on the server.  List all the existing subscriptions, modify them as 
appropriate, then delete the old ones and add the new ones.

	See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp> 
for information on the command-line programs you'll need to run.

>  Pls suggest me the possible ways(scripts if any) to
>  change all of my addresses.

	I'm not personally aware of anyone that has done anything like 
this, but I would not be at all surprised if this wheel has been 
re-invented several times.  You should try looking at the patches on 
SourceForge to see if anyone else has uploaded some utilities to do 
this sort of stuff.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From jwblist at olympus.net  Mon Sep 20 16:52:21 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:52:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation of Emails ????
In-Reply-To: <PC1715200409180911070015248f0eb6@msapiro>
Message-ID: <BD743CB5.16485%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 9/18/2004 9:11, "Mark Sapiro" <msapiro at value.net> wrote:

> Such receipt requests are generally considered extremely impolite at
> best when used in mailing list messages, and they are generally
> inneffective anyway. Many MUAs don't recognize them and those that do
> are often set by their users to not return receipts at all or to not
> return receipts for messages not specifically addressed to them (i.e.
> list messages).

For example, I have my MUAs set to ask me whether to send a receipt.  By
policy, I *never* send one for a list message.  I also seldom send one for a
non-list message (fortunately, none of the few people I regularly exchange
email with want them).

And except for testing to myself, I've never requested one.

  --John


From p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht.org  Mon Sep 20 16:57:28 2004
From: p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht.org (Pascal Oberndoerfer)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:57:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ValueError in Mailman/i18n.py when starting MM on
	MacOS X 10.1.5
Message-ID: <BD74BC78.D702%p.oberndoerfer@urheberrecht.org>

I know, 10.1.5 is old, but nevertheless...

Here's what I did so far:

- Install (non-framework) Python 2.3.4: no problems
- Install and configure Postfix 2.1.5: no problems
- Install Mailman 2.1.5 to locations as per MacOS X 10.3.5 Server
  (i.e.: /usr/share/mailman and /private/var/mailman)
  - Installation went fine
  - Integration with Apache works
  - Aliases are set up correctly via /usr/sbin/postalias for new lists

Only the last step is missing now:
starting up Mailman with bin/mailmanctl start

Unfortunately, if I try this I get the following error:

[powerbook:/usr/share/mailman] pob% bin/mailmanctl start
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/mailmanctl", line 547, in ?
    main()
  File "bin/mailmanctl", line 340, in main
    check_privs()
  File "bin/mailmanctl", line 303, in check_privs
    usage(1, _(
  File "bin/mailmanctl", line 135, in usage
    print >> fd, _(__doc__)
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 89, in _
    return tns % dict
ValueError: unsupported format character '[' (0x5b) at index 1133
[powerbook:/usr/share/mailman] pob%


Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated!

TIA

Pascal



From p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht.org  Mon Sep 20 17:15:19 2004
From: p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht.org (Pascal Oberndoerfer)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:15:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ValueError in Mailman/i18n.py when starting
	MM on MacOS X 10.1.5
In-Reply-To: <BD74BC78.D702%p.oberndoerfer@urheberrecht.org>
Message-ID: <BD74C0A7.D709%p.oberndoerfer@urheberrecht.org>

Pascal Oberndoerfer at p.oberndoerfer at urheberrecht.org:

> I know, 10.1.5 is old, but nevertheless...
> 
> Here's what I did so far:
> 
> - Install (non-framework) Python 2.3.4: no problems
> - Install and configure Postfix 2.1.5: no problems
> - Install Mailman 2.1.5 to locations as per MacOS X 10.3.5 Server
> (i.e.: /usr/share/mailman and /private/var/mailman)
> - Installation went fine
> - Integration with Apache works
> - Aliases are set up correctly via /usr/sbin/postalias for new lists
> 
> Only the last step is missing now:
> starting up Mailman with bin/mailmanctl start
> 
> Unfortunately, if I try this I get the following error:
> 
> [powerbook:/usr/share/mailman] pob% bin/mailmanctl start
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "bin/mailmanctl", line 547, in ?
>   main()
> File "bin/mailmanctl", line 340, in main
>   check_privs()
> File "bin/mailmanctl", line 303, in check_privs
>   usage(1, _(
> File "bin/mailmanctl", line 135, in usage
>   print >> fd, _(__doc__)
> File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 89, in _
>   return tns % dict
> ValueError: unsupported format character '[' (0x5b) at index 1133
> [powerbook:/usr/share/mailman] pob%
> 
> 
> Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated!

Doh!

    sudo -u mailman /usr/share/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start

fixed this (though I still don't have clue why...)

So please ignore the previous post and sorry for wasting the bandwidth.

Pascal



From damienjp at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep 20 18:33:34 2004
From: damienjp at bellsouth.net (damien)
Date: 20 Sep 2004 12:33:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Creation
Message-ID: <1095698014.7679.12.camel@gc-site.hopto.org>

Helloz, waz wondering what is the default admin account to create a list
?? I have a newly installed Mailman and i'm trying to create a list but
it tells me :

Error: You are not authorized to create new mailing lists

I have tried logging in as root, and other accounts i have but nuthin
works. Do i need to edit a file ?? is there a script ?? is there
somwhere i need to login at ??

Please somebody help and thankz for any comments and suggestions if any
:)

Thankz 
Damien



From john at wa9als.com  Mon Sep 20 19:27:03 2004
From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:27:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Creation
References: <1095698014.7679.12.camel@gc-site.hopto.org>
Message-ID: <008a01c49f37$0becc320$2201a8c0@105.56.105>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "damien" <damienjp at bellsouth.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 11:33 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Creation


> Helloz, waz wondering what is the default admin account to create a list
> ?? I have a newly installed Mailman and i'm trying to create a list but
> it tells me :
>
> Error: You are not authorized to create new mailing lists
>
> I have tried logging in as root, and other accounts i have but nuthin
> works. Do i need to edit a file ?? is there a script ?? is there
> somwhere i need to login at ??

Did you create the required 'mailman' list first?  Did you set the sitelist
password with mmsitepass?  You can create lists from any web browser - The
only "login" that's required is entering the site or administrator's
password on the list create page.
- John



From billd at forest.net  Mon Sep 20 20:00:47 2004
From: billd at forest.net (William R.Dickson)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:00:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring Mailman with Postfix and Postfix Admin
Message-ID: <FFC80059-0B2E-11D9-9808-00039377F878@forest.net>

Hi there,

> I have just setup Mailman 2.1.5 on FreeBSD 4.8 and have found that the
> installation does not integrate by default with the postfix admin which
> stores all users and domains in MySQL.

Did you ever get this figured out?  I'm now facing exactly the same 
problem.  It seems Postfix Admin won't permit you to enter "|/whatever" 
-style aliases to execute programs, so I'm not even sure where to start 
on a workaround.  Anything you learned would be of help...thanks!

-Bill



From web at thetrick.us  Mon Sep 20 20:24:40 2004
From: web at thetrick.us (Tony)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:24:40 -0600
Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] No Bounce Notification
Message-ID: <LPBBKJPEAJFOHLGAMGJLEEKFCMAA.web@thetrick.us>

Attached is most of the log file.  Please let me know if anyone finds
anything out of the ordinary.

Regards,
Tony


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony [mailto:web at thetrick.us]
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:41 PM
To: Mark Sapiro; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] No Bounce Notification

See comments below:  It appears without the knowing what the logs are
saying, there is little that can be done.  I have logged a case with the
helpdesk and will let you know the results.

Thanks again for your help and responses.  At least I understand a bit of
what is going on.
Regards,
Tony


>Thanks for the info and your help Mark.  I have done some looking at the
>Cpanel site, but will do some more.
>
>I sent the test message per your instructions and as a result, the list
>owner received this message:
>-------------
>Subject: Uncaught bounce notification
>The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
>format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
>from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all
>unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).
>
>For more information see:
>http://domain.com/mailman/admin/list1_domain.com/bounce
>-------------
>
>It appears the bounce process is processing the messages, but is only
>forwarding on unrecognized messages.  What is it doing with recognized
>bounce messages?

Yes, the message above is exactly the expected result for an
unrecognized bounce. For a recognized bounce, bounce processing should
note the bounce in the bounce log I've mentioned before (actually, it
does this for the unrecognized bounces as well). It then updates the
bounce score for the user and takes any appropriate action as
determined by the options on the Bounce Processing page for the list.

The settings you reported earlier in this thread should unsubscribe the
user and notify the list owner on the first bounce.

>The settings in Cpanel are minimal and the settings in Mailman appear to be
>correct.  I prefer not going to the webhoster helpdesk blind without having
>a sense of the problem.  Does the above statement of the problem appear to
>be accurate?   Anyone have any additional thoughts?

My thoughts are:

1) Is the list actually sending mail? (I assume you would be asking
different questions if it weren't, but assumptions are always risky.)
-Tony-
Yes, mail is being sent to the "one" good address on this testlist

2) Are there actually invalid addresses on the list that should be
bouncing? (It would be easy to mass subscribe one to be sure. Maybe
you've already done this.)
-Tony-
Invalid addresses are as follows:
12345 at operamail.com; abc at abc.abc; noaddess at yahoo.com; tony at tony.tony

When I subscribed everyone on my testlist, I received the bounce
confirmation for all of the addresses that were just added, included the
invalid ones.

3) What's in the Mailman bounce log?
-Tony-
Wish we knew.  I don't have access to them

4) Are there any relevant entries in the Mailman error log (in the same
directory as the bounce log)?
-Tony-
Wish we knew.  I don't have access to them

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From kake at earth.li  Mon Sep 20 20:38:01 2004
From: kake at earth.li (Kake L Pugh)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:38:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception: 'str' object has no
	attribute 'get_sender'
Message-ID: <20040920183801.GE4480@the.earth.li>

Through my own stupidity, my qrunner was not running for a while (I
forgot about an apt-get upgrade in progress).  The messages that got
sent to my lists during this time seem to be sitting in
  /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/shunt/

I cd'ed to /var/lib/mailman/ and ran python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/unshunt
The files didn't move and this appeared in /var/log/mailman/error:

  Sep 20 19:22:03 2004 (19811) SHUNTING: 1095701745.163589+5859351f96c94b240f564b24ad2dabc07d4b1c4b
  Sep 20 19:22:03 2004 (19811) Uncaught runner exception: 'str' object has no attribute 'get_sender'
  Sep 20 19:22:03 2004 (19811) Traceback (most recent call last):
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop
      self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 159, in _onefile
      sender = msg.get_sender()
  AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'get_sender'

(several times over with different strings after "SHUNTING: ").

Mailman version is 2.1.5, 'python -V' says 'Python 2.3.4', OS is
'Debian Linux 3.1'.

I googled for "Uncaught runner exception: 'str' object has no
attribute 'get_sender'" and got
  http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg26744.html
which seems to have no followups and
  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-June/037126.html
which ended up with the original poster saying that his problem went
away all by itself.

I read
  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#1.23
and nearly decided that I couldn't face posting my question but
figured the worst you could all do is ignore me.  Happy to provide any
further details that will actually help in solving the problem though.

Kake



From msapiro at value.net  Mon Sep 20 21:07:31 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:07:31 -0700
Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] No Bounce Notification
In-Reply-To: <LPBBKJPEAJFOHLGAMGJLEEKFCMAA.web@thetrick.us>
Message-ID: <PC171520040920120731039006cdf985@msapiro>

Tony wrote:

>Attached is most of the log file.  Please let me know if anyone finds
>anything out of the ordinary.
>

<big snip>


>bounce:Sep 15 00:10:26 2004 (3629) testlist_thetrick.us: tony at tony.tony =
>bounce score: 1.0
>bounce:Sep 15 00:25:27 2004 (3629) testlist_thetrick.us: web at thetrick.su =
>bounce score: 1.0
>bounce:Sep 15 00:25:27 2004 (3629) sending testlist_thetrick.us list =
>probe to: web at thetrick.su (score 1.0 >=3D 0.5)
>bounce:Sep 15 00:25:27 2004 (3629) testlist_thetrick.us: =
>noaddess at yahoo.com bounce score: 1.0
>bounce:Sep 15 00:25:27 2004 (3629) sending testlist_thetrick.us list =
>probe to: noaddess at yahoo.com (score 1.0 >=3D 0.5)

<more snips>

A new feature in 2.1.5 is that before disabling or unsubscribing,
bounce processing sends a VERP-like probe message to the bouncing
address to confirm bouncing. If this probe doesn't bounce, the bounce
processing is not continued. Apparently, there is a problem with your
MTA receiving the bounced VERP-like probes and they are getting lost.

>From the Mailman 2.1.5 NEWS file:

- The bounce processor has been redesigned so that now when an
address's bounce score reaches the threshold, that address will be
sent a probe message.  Only if the probe bounces will the address be
disabled. The score is reset to zero when the probe is sent.  Also,
bounce events are now kept in an event file instead of in memory. 
This should help contain the bloat of the BounceRunner.

   New supporting variables in Defaults.py: VERP_PROBE_FORMAT,
   VERP_PROBE_REGEXP

   REGISTER_BOUNCES_EVERY is promoted to a Defaults.py variable.


Basically, the probe is sent with envelope from
     <listname>-bounces+<token string>@<domain>

The outgoing MTA needs to preserve this envelope from address. When the
delivery of the probe bounces, it is returned to the probe's envelope
from address. The incoming MTA needs to be aware of the "+" delimiter
so that it will deliver the bounce to the <listname>-bounces address
with the <token string> intact. This would be in your MTA
configuration somewhere.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From web at thetrick.us  Tue Sep 21 00:59:42 2004
From: web at thetrick.us (Tony)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:59:42 -0600
Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] No Bounce Notification
In-Reply-To: <PC171520040920120731039006cdf985@msapiro>
Message-ID: <LPBBKJPEAJFOHLGAMGJLGEKICMAA.web@thetrick.us>

Thank you very much for your input Mark.  

Stephen, will you please verify the MTA settings and correct if necessary.

Regards,
Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 1:08 PM
To: Tony; mailman-users at python.org; public at webhearth.com
Subject: Re: FW: [Mailman-Users] No Bounce Notification

Tony wrote:

>Attached is most of the log file.  Please let me know if anyone finds
>anything out of the ordinary.
>

<big snip>


>bounce:Sep 15 00:10:26 2004 (3629) testlist_thetrick.us: tony at tony.tony =
>bounce score: 1.0
>bounce:Sep 15 00:25:27 2004 (3629) testlist_thetrick.us: web at thetrick.su =
>bounce score: 1.0
>bounce:Sep 15 00:25:27 2004 (3629) sending testlist_thetrick.us list =
>probe to: web at thetrick.su (score 1.0 >=3D 0.5)
>bounce:Sep 15 00:25:27 2004 (3629) testlist_thetrick.us: =
>noaddess at yahoo.com bounce score: 1.0
>bounce:Sep 15 00:25:27 2004 (3629) sending testlist_thetrick.us list =
>probe to: noaddess at yahoo.com (score 1.0 >=3D 0.5)

<more snips>

A new feature in 2.1.5 is that before disabling or unsubscribing,
bounce processing sends a VERP-like probe message to the bouncing
address to confirm bouncing. If this probe doesn't bounce, the bounce
processing is not continued. Apparently, there is a problem with your
MTA receiving the bounced VERP-like probes and they are getting lost.

>From the Mailman 2.1.5 NEWS file:

- The bounce processor has been redesigned so that now when an
address's bounce score reaches the threshold, that address will be
sent a probe message.  Only if the probe bounces will the address be
disabled. The score is reset to zero when the probe is sent.  Also,
bounce events are now kept in an event file instead of in memory.
This should help contain the bloat of the BounceRunner.

   New supporting variables in Defaults.py: VERP_PROBE_FORMAT,
   VERP_PROBE_REGEXP

   REGISTER_BOUNCES_EVERY is promoted to a Defaults.py variable.


Basically, the probe is sent with envelope from
     <listname>-bounces+<token string>@<domain>

The outgoing MTA needs to preserve this envelope from address. When the
delivery of the probe bounces, it is returned to the probe's envelope
from address. The incoming MTA needs to be aware of the "+" delimiter
so that it will deliver the bounce to the <listname>-bounces address
with the <token string> intact. This would be in your MTA
configuration somewhere.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan




From msapiro at value.net  Tue Sep 21 01:28:54 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:28:54 -0700
Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] No Bounce Notification
In-Reply-To: <LPBBKJPEAJFOHLGAMGJLGEKICMAA.web@thetrick.us>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409201628540609fa08a177@msapiro>

Tony wrote:

>Thank you very much for your input Mark.  
>
>Stephen, will you please verify the MTA settings and correct if necessary.
>

One more thing (always one more...)

I was remiss in not mentioning this earlier, but see the FAQ article at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.012.htp

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From Naturalpistol101 at aol.com  Tue Sep 21 03:19:41 2004
From: Naturalpistol101 at aol.com (Naturalpistol101 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:19:41 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 7, Issue 50
Message-ID: <12a.4c1284df.2e80dbad@aol.com>

send your correct e-mail 


From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue Sep 21 03:47:18 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:47:18 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modify member address
In-Reply-To: <20040920113941.95324.qmail@web51705.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040920113941.95324.qmail@web51705.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2C2F9F9A-0B70-11D9-A58D-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Sep 20, 2004, at 20:39, saravanan ganapathy wrote:

> Now I need to change my domain from a.z.com to z.com,
> Due to this effect, I have to change all of my
> member/owner addresses ( *@a.z.com to *@z.com).

You can change all of the members in a list using a tiny Python script 
using the bin/withlist framework, and then use a shell script (or 
another Python script) to loop over all of your lists.

If you create /usr/local/mailman/change_addr.py containing:
#---- change_addr.py ----
def change_addr(m):
     old_addrs = []
     for member in m.members:
         if member.rfind("@a.z.com") > 0:
             old_addrs.append(member)
     for member in old_addrs:
         m.changeMemberAddress(member, member.replace('@a.z.com', 
'@z.com'))

     # change the list owners' addresses
     new_owners = []
     for owner in m.owner:
         new_owners.append(owner.replace('@a.z.com', '@z.com'))
     m.owner = new_owners

     # save the updated list
     m.Save()
#---- change_addr.py ----

Then doing 'bin/withlist -q -l -r change_addr mylist' would change all 
of the member subscriptions in 'mylist'.  A shell loop to do it for all 
of your lists:
for list in `bin/list_lists -b`; do
     bin/withlist -q -l -r change_addr $list
done
(Leave off the -q to watch it in action.)

Confirming you have good backups of all your lists before doing any 
manipulation with withlist is a good idea.  :-)

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From kline at tao.thought.org  Tue Sep 21 04:52:57 2004
From: kline at tao.thought.org (Gary Kline)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:52:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] resend:: gid problems??
Message-ID: <20040921025257.GA71540@thought.org>

>From kline Mon Sep 20 12:35:56 2004
From: Gary Kline <kline>
To: Mailman Users List <mailman-users at python.org>
Subject: gid problems or something else??

	Hi People,

	I spent most of the weekend trying to install Mailman;
	no-joy.  I got close late Saturday night when I received
	a "wwlist-request" from my Mailman server on 'sage.thought.org'.
	When I sent in the reply to "coonfirm" it bounced;  the
	return mail said there was no such user as "wwlist-request".

	This appears to be a gid problem.  Originally, I build things
	strictly out of the box.   I played around with the mailman
	binary; it said that I should rebuild the suite with
	'--with-mail-gid=wheel' rather than "mailnull".  I rebuilt and
	reinstalled.  No difference.  This morning I rebuilt my mailman
	port from scratch.  Here is the output from sendmail's 
	/var/mail/maillog:

Sep 20 11:49:39 sage Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error.  Mailman
expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailnull", but
the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "daemon".  Try
tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailnull", or re-run
configure,  providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=daemon'. 
Sep 20 11:49:39 sage sendmail[24478]: i8KInch0024476:
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner wwlist",
ctladdr=<wwlist-owner at sage.thought.org> (1/0), delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=139083, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer
error 2

	I'm trying to set up Mailman on my DNS server, ns1.thought.org,
	alias sage.thought.org.  This servr is running FreeBSD 5.2.1
	and sendmail.

	If re-running ./configure with the  option
	`--with-mail-gid=daemon', that would be the easiest fix.  
	Otherwise, any help to help me figure out what I'm doing
	wrong and how to fix it would be a mjor help++ !

	thanks,

	gary kline



-- 
   Gary Kline     kline at thought.org   www.thought.org     Public service Unix



From abbas at mustafacomputers.com  Tue Sep 21 08:01:20 2004
From: abbas at mustafacomputers.com (Abbas Qaizar)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:01:20 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Assistance
Message-ID: <008a01c49fa0$6dd0ca00$0600000a@mcnp>

Hello Everybody,

I am not an expert in HTML therefore I am looking for someone who could assist me for the modifications I am thinking of for my mailing list.

Ref. to the Administrative Activities  Section of  Mailman.........................Click the " Edit the Public HTML Pages " gives you 3 options namely

General List Information Page
Subscribe Result Page
User Specific Options Page

When you click the 3rd Option i.e. User Specific Options Page then it shows you the HTML codes for that particular page.........

I want to keep only User name (Optional) and Email Address only for the Invited Subscribers or those who are interested to subscrible to my mailing list.

How do I edit the given HTML codes ..........

Can anybody assist me in this regard ???

Do provide easy to understand instructions, please.

Thanks.


Best Regards

Abbas Qaizar

Mustafa Computers & Peripherals
Suite 28, Level 12 R.K.Square Extension
Main Shahra-e-Liaquat 
Karachi-74000
Sindh-Pakistan
Mobile :  0333 - 237 2582
Tel      :  092 - 21 - 2400326 / 2425833 
Fax     :  092 - 21 - 2437783
Website http://www.mustafacomputers.com
Email  abbas at mustafacomputers.com
MSN : mustafacomputers at hotmail.com


From macangels at spamcop.net  Wed Sep 22 15:19:28 2004
From: macangels at spamcop.net (demo)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:19:28 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: HTML Assistance
Message-ID: <BD772C60.2E18%macangels@spamcop.net>


> Can anybody assist me in this regard ???

You must have a webdesigner to have put together your website. They will be
able to figure it out in a second. It could not be more simple.

Alternatively, if all you want is a simple subscription page - or code to
add to your website - you could use something like;

Customising the names of "yourservername".

You are still going to have to learn / pay someone to do the html though.

MA

Example;

<B>Join the yourservername list</b>
 <FORM Method=POST 
ACTION="http://lists.yourservername.com/mailman/subscribe/mailman"><br>
 Your E-mail address: <INPUT type="Text" name="email" size="30"
value=""><br>
 Your Name (optional): <INPUT type="Text" name="fullname" size="30"
value=""><br><br>
 You may enter a privacy password below. This provides only mild security,
but should prevent others from messing with your subscription. <b>Do not use
a valuable password</b> as it<br>
 will occasionally be emailed back to you in cleartext.<br><br>
 If you choose not to enter a password, one will be automatically generated
for you, and it will<br>
 be sent to you once you've confirmed your subscription. You can always
request a mail-back<br>
 of your password when you edit your personal options.<br><br>
 Password choice: <INPUT type="Password" name="pw" size="15"><BR>
 Confirm Password: <INPUT type="Password" name="pw-conf" size="15"><BR><BR>
 Would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? (You may
choose NoMail after you join.)<BR><br>
 <input type=radio name="digest" value="0" CHECKED> No <input type=radio
name="digest" value="1"> Yes<br><br>
 <INPUT type="Submit" name="email-button" value="Subscribe">
 </FORM>




From jean at dancecentral.com.au  Tue Sep 21 14:32:52 2004
From: jean at dancecentral.com.au (jean at dancecentral.com.au)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:32:52 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email not being distributed...
Message-ID: <005601c49fd7$1cd395b0$0100000a@Adele>

Hello,

I created a small list of about 10 members to start and tested it for a couple of days... changing settings to make sure all goes the way It should.
Then I finished loading the email address and I have almost 5000.
I tried today to send my first newsletter and it looks like it's not being distributed (I know because I have several addresses that I own and that I keep checking).
I made sure the maximum kb per email was set high enough also the recipient filter is set to 10000 recipients..... so it should work just like when I sent the test emails to 10 people.

I spend several hours on this and cannot figure out why it isn't working...

Any ideas... ? 

Thanks .

Jean-Luc

From htian at ias.edu  Tue Sep 21 15:54:41 2004
From: htian at ias.edu (Hong Jiang Tian)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:54:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual host
Message-ID: <9B3CEA6AE680D41190DB00508B0EA5DC02A90F5C@PICO>

Hi,

I have questions about using the virtual host with Mailman 2.1.5 on RHEL 3.
For example the hostname of my mailing server is land.its.org. I created an
DNS alias that is named mailman.its.org. Then I did as follows:

$ nslookup mailman.its.org
mailman.its.org    canonical name = land.its.org
Name: land.its.org
Address: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
$ vi mm_cfg.py
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mailman.its.org'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mailman.its.org'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
$ bin/withlist -l -r fix_url test -v
$ bin/mailmanctl restart

I added the virtual host of mailman.its.org on Apache. The URL of
http://mailman.its.org/mailman/admin/test is working. 

I also can send the emails from the members of test list to
test at mailman.its.org. But the members of test list received the emails still
from land.its.org, not mailman.its.org. The mail header didn't change from
land.its.org to mailman.its.org. I want any email will use the alias name of
mailman.its.org, not land.its.org. Does anyone know how to resolve it? 

Thanks for your help.
Hong



From mcullum at nsd.org  Tue Sep 21 16:15:14 2004
From: mcullum at nsd.org (Mike Cullum)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:15:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cloning a list
Message-ID: <BD758582.9DD6%mcullum@nsd.org>

After much trial and error I have created a set of list settings that works
very well.  Now, I would like to create others that are essentially the
same.  Is there any way that I can clone all of the settings from the
correctly configured list?

Thanks,
-----------------------------------------------------------------
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Director of Infrastructure and Instructional Technologies
Northshore School District
3330 Monte Villa Parkway
Bothell, WA 98021-7215

Telephone:  (425)489-6322  Fax:(425)489-6317
Email: mcullum at nsd.org
-----------------------------------------------------------------





From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Sep 21 16:09:37 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:09:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email not being distributed...
In-Reply-To: <005601c49fd7$1cd395b0$0100000a@Adele>
References: <005601c49fd7$1cd395b0$0100000a@Adele>
Message-ID: <p06002007bd75e64fb2b6@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:32 PM +1000 2004-09-21, <jean at dancecentral.com.au> wrote:

>  I spend several hours on this and cannot figure out why it isn't working...

	Go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py>, and search for 
"troubleshooting" and "no mail".

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Sep 21 16:13:14 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:13:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual host
In-Reply-To: <9B3CEA6AE680D41190DB00508B0EA5DC02A90F5C@PICO>
References: <9B3CEA6AE680D41190DB00508B0EA5DC02A90F5C@PICO>
Message-ID: <p06002009bd75e740eb07@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:54 AM -0400 2004-09-21, Hong Jiang Tian wrote:

>  I have questions about using the virtual host with Mailman 2.1.5 on RHEL 3.
>  For example the hostname of my mailing server is land.its.org. I created an
>  DNS alias that is named mailman.its.org.

	As a CNAME alias?  Don't do that.  The RFCs say that you should 
not send e-mail to a CNAME alias, and if you do, then the headers 
should be changed to reflect the real canonical name of the machine.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Tue Sep 21 16:36:27 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:36:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: How can I do this?
References: <cicd1t$eua$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <cipe9a$4co$1@sea.gmane.org>

Last week I posted another question from a former Lsoft Listserv user:

I want to know if this function is available using MailMan, and if so,
how:

Using Listserv, if you had 2 lists (ListA & ListB), you could set things
up such:

ListA:
Send= Editor
Editor= primaryeditor at host
Editor= (ListB)

Doing this allowed all of the subscribers of ListB to be able to send
their messages to ListA without moderation.


In other words, in MM in the Privacy/Sender section under where it says
"List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically
accepted" can I specify another list?


Do I understand from the lack of responses that this type of ability is 
not available in MM?

-- 

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Chris Barnes                           AOL IM: CNBarnes
chris-barnes at tamu.edu                Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes





From jpritikin at pobox.com  Tue Sep 21 17:05:31 2004
From: jpritikin at pobox.com (Joshua N Pritikin)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:35:31 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [RESEND] what is a basic apache2 config for mailman?
Message-ID: <20040921150531.GF1629@always.joy.eth.net>

mailman 2.1.5-1 (debian)

I've gotten mailman installed and working, but I can't figure out how
to set up the web interface.  I'm using apache2.

I'm sorry to post what must seem like a stupid question, but I've
spent a few hours searching the FAQ, mailing lists, and
documentation. The answer is not there, at least not in a form which I
could easily pluck.

Can someone just send me a working apache2 config, pretty please?

-- 
A new cognitive theory of emotion, http://openheartlogic.org
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From gagel at cnc.bc.ca  Tue Sep 21 17:11:51 2004
From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (Kevin W. Gagel)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:11:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email not being distributed...
Message-ID: <415044b7.25d.b74.23707@cnc.bc.ca>

What version of Mailman?
What OS and version?
What MTA are you using? Version?
What does the error log indicate?

----- Original Message Follows -----
From: <jean at dancecentral.com.au>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email not being distributed...
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:32:52 +1000

> Hello,
> 
> I created a small list of about 10 members to start and tested it for a
> couple of days... changing settings to make sure all goes the way It should.
> Then I finished loading the email address and I have almost 5000. I tried
> today to send my first newsletter and it looks like it's not being
> distributed (I know because I have several addresses that I own and that I
> keep checking). I made sure the maximum kb per email was set high enough
> also the recipient filter is set to 10000 recipients..... so it should work
> just like when I sent the test emails to 10 people.
> 
> I spend several hours on this and cannot figure out why it isn't working...
> 
> Any ideas... ? 
> 
> Thanks .
> 
> Jean-Luc
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

====================
Kevin W. Gagel
Network Administrator
(250) 561-5848 local 448
(250) 562-2131 local 448

--------------------------------------------------------------
The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca
Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email.
--------------------------------------------------------------


From rufranco at utep.edu  Tue Sep 21 19:12:02 2004
From: rufranco at utep.edu (Franco, Ruben)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:12:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages from "checkdbs"  cron job
Message-ID: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650CD5@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>

Hello,
	I recently installed Mailman 2.1.5 and have loaded up the mailman crons that came with the install.  I have noticed the following messages everday when the "checkdbs" cron runs and I was wondering what the message meant.  Is something wrong with my configuration or is there a problem with a list on my system?

Here is the message I see: 


Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 178, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 109, in main
    text += '\n' + pending_requests(mlist)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 128, in pending_requests
    for id in mlist.GetSubscriptionIds():
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 138, in GetSubscriptionIds
    return self.__getmsgids(SUBSCRIPTION)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 130, in __getmsgids
    ids = [k for k, (op, data) in self.__db.items() if op == rtype]
ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size



From rufranco at utep.edu  Tue Sep 21 19:37:51 2004
From: rufranco at utep.edu (Franco, Ruben)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:37:51 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] APACHE: any issues if "disallow the showing of
	directory listing"
Message-ID: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650CD9@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>

I was wondering if it would cause any issues with the Mailman software if I configure my Apache web server to no longer allow showing the directory listings of directories that do not have a default web page by changing the "Indexes" option to "-Indexes"?

EXAMPLE: 

<Directory "/usr/local/mailman">
    Options -Indexes FollowSymLinks
    AllowOverride None
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>





From acc at anthonychavez.org  Tue Sep 21 20:49:13 2004
From: acc at anthonychavez.org (Anthony Chavez)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:49:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with relocating a list
Message-ID: <m2isa7ihjq.fsf@pegasos.anthonychavez.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Moving a Mailman list from one server to a new one has been a *very*
smooth process for the most part, but I'm noticing some small quirks in
the wake.

Here's an account of how I accomplished this.

1. Installed Mailman 2.1.5, Postfix 2.1.4, and Apache 2.0.50 on the new
   server.  These versions exactly match the ones on the old server.

2. Went through the process dictated in FreeBSD-post-install-notes,
   INSTALL, README, and README.POSTFIX, which essentially involved
   editing main.cf, httpd.conf, adding MTA = 'Postfix' to mm_cfg.py and
   creating the "mailman" list.

3. Under the direction of section 3.4 in the FAQ Wizard, I copied the
   data, archives and lists directories from the old server to the new
   one.  But rather than clobbering the pre-existing directories, I
   copied only the *relevant* directories from archives and lists
   (i.e. archives/private/listname* and lists/listname).  Nothing was
   copied from data and the "mailman" list was not copied.

4. Ran withlist -l -r fix_url listname && genaliases

5. Started postfix and qrunner.

6. Configured Apache on the old site to proxy and Postfix to relay to
   the new server while DNS changes propagated.

Now, the aforementioned quirks:

1. The old lists are not advertised on the new Web site.

2. Apache will not let me access the public archives (that were private
   before the move) and I get a 403.  I'm sure this has to do with
   Apache 2's default deny policy, but not entirely sure how to deal
   with it (I'm still somewhat of an Apache 2 newbie, but I've had a few
   years experience with 1.x).

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers!

- -- 
Anthony Chavez                             http://www.anthonychavez.org/
mailto:acc at anthonychavez.org         jabber:acc at jabber.anthonychavez.org
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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Tue Sep 21 22:20:56 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:20:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] APACHE: any issues if "disallow the showing of
	directory listing"
In-Reply-To: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650CD9@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>
References: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650CD9@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>
Message-ID: <BE9C7B9A-0C0B-11D9-BCE6-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

So far as I am aware, none of the Mailman generated pages depend on 
auto-indexing, using explicit URLs in all cases. Try it and see.

On 21 Sep 2004, at 18:37, Franco, Ruben wrote:

> I was wondering if it would cause any issues with the Mailman software 
> if I configure my Apache web server to no longer allow showing the 
> directory listings of directories that do not have a default web page 
> by changing the "Indexes" option to "-Indexes"?
>
> EXAMPLE:
>
> <Directory "/usr/local/mailman">
>     Options -Indexes FollowSymLinks
>     AllowOverride None
>     Order allow,deny
>     Allow from all
> </Directory>



From gagel at cnc.bc.ca  Tue Sep 21 23:37:22 2004
From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (Kevin W. Gagel)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:37:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with relocating a list
Message-ID: <41509f12.1e2.a3c.939@cnc.bc.ca>

You probably followed some of my instructions. I've not had a chance to get
back to update them. In the mailman list directories you'll find that there
are links to the archives. I had the same issue after I did mine, it took a
bit to figure it out but simply deleting the links and making new ones to the
correct location on the new machine fixed it for me.

----- Original Message Follows -----
From: Anthony Chavez <acc at anthonychavez.org>
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with relocating a list
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:49:13 -0600

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> 
> Moving a Mailman list from one server to a new one has been a *very*
> smooth process for the most part, but I'm noticing some small quirks in
> the wake.
> 
> Here's an account of how I accomplished this.
> 
> 1. Installed Mailman 2.1.5, Postfix 2.1.4, and Apache 2.0.50 on the new
>    server.  These versions exactly match the ones on the old server.
> 
> 2. Went through the process dictated in FreeBSD-post-install-notes,
>    INSTALL, README, and README.POSTFIX, which essentially involved
>    editing main.cf, httpd.conf, adding MTA = 'Postfix' to mm_cfg.py and
>    creating the "mailman" list.
> 
> 3. Under the direction of section 3.4 in the FAQ Wizard, I copied the
>    data, archives and lists directories from the old server to the new
>    one.  But rather than clobbering the pre-existing directories, I
>    copied only the *relevant* directories from archives and lists
>    (i.e. archives/private/listname* and lists/listname).  Nothing was
>    copied from data and the "mailman" list was not copied.
> 
> 4. Ran withlist -l -r fix_url listname && genaliases
> 
> 5. Started postfix and qrunner.
> 
> 6. Configured Apache on the old site to proxy and Postfix to relay to
>    the new server while DNS changes propagated.
> 
> Now, the aforementioned quirks:
> 
> 1. The old lists are not advertised on the new Web site.
> 
> 2. Apache will not let me access the public archives (that were private
>    before the move) and I get a 403.  I'm sure this has to do with
>    Apache 2's default deny policy, but not entirely sure how to deal
>    with it (I'm still somewhat of an Apache 2 newbie, but I've had a few
>    years experience with 1.x).
> 
> Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
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From rufranco at utep.edu  Wed Sep 22 00:14:57 2004
From: rufranco at utep.edu (Franco, Ruben)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:14:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] APACHE: any issues if "disallow the showing of
	directory listing"
Message-ID: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650CF2@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>

Well, I have tried it and the listserv has NOT developed any problems so far.

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 2:21 PM
To: Franco, Ruben
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] APACHE: any issues if "disallow the showing
of directory listing"


So far as I am aware, none of the Mailman generated pages depend on 
auto-indexing, using explicit URLs in all cases. Try it and see.

On 21 Sep 2004, at 18:37, Franco, Ruben wrote:

> I was wondering if it would cause any issues with the Mailman software 
> if I configure my Apache web server to no longer allow showing the 
> directory listings of directories that do not have a default web page 
> by changing the "Indexes" option to "-Indexes"?
>
> EXAMPLE:
>
> <Directory "/usr/local/mailman">
>     Options -Indexes FollowSymLinks
>     AllowOverride None
>     Order allow,deny
>     Allow from all
> </Directory>



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep 22 01:52:12 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:52:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual host
In-Reply-To: <9B3CEA6AE680D41190DB00508B0EA5DC02A90F5C@PICO>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409211652120671262c590b@msapiro>

Hong Jiang Tian wrote: 
>
>I also can send the emails from the members of test list to
>test at mailman.its.org. But the members of test list received the emails still
>from land.its.org, not mailman.its.org. The mail header didn't change from
>land.its.org to mailman.its.org. I want any email will use the alias name of
>mailman.its.org, not land.its.org. Does anyone know how to resolve it? 

Go to
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and read article 4.29, especially the section "Existing versus new
lists"

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From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep 22 02:11:44 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:11:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email not being distributed...
In-Reply-To: <005601c49fd7$1cd395b0$0100000a@Adele>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409211711440062262c56ca@msapiro>

<jean at dancecentral.com.au> wrote:
>
>I created a small list of about 10 members to start and tested it for a couple of days... changing settings to make sure all goes the way It should.
>Then I finished loading the email address and I have almost 5000.
>I tried today to send my first newsletter and it looks like it's not being distributed (I know because I have several addresses that I own and that I keep checking).
>I made sure the maximum kb per email was set high enough also the recipient filter is set to 10000 recipients..... so it should work just like when I sent the test emails to 10 people.
>

The Recipient Filter max_num_recipients has nothing do do with how many
list members a post can be delivered to. It is the maximum number of
addressees in To: and Cc: in the incoming message to the list that is
allowed without holding the message for moderator review.

You may have a problem with the MTA accepting messages with a large
number of envelope to addresses. You may want to look at
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS in Defaults.py and perhaps set it to a LOWER value in
mm_cfg.py.

Also search the FAQ as Brad suggested in another reply.

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From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep 22 02:17:18 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:17:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cloning a list
In-Reply-To: <BD758582.9DD6%mcullum@nsd.org>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409211717180343262c57c9@msapiro>

Mike Cullum wrote:

>After much trial and error I have created a set of list settings that works
>very well.  Now, I would like to create others that are essentially the
>same.  Is there any way that I can clone all of the settings from the
>correctly configured list?

Go to
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

And search for "cloning"

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From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep 22 02:24:24 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:24:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: How can I do this?
In-Reply-To: <cipe9a$4co$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409211724240375262c57ef@msapiro>

Chris Barnes wrote:
>
>In other words, in MM in the Privacy/Sender section under where it says
>"List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically
>accepted" can I specify another list?
>
>
>Do I understand from the lack of responses that this type of ability is 
>not available in MM?

Yes, and while your post was not explicitly answered, someone else
asked essentially the same question two days ago and there were two
replies.
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-September/039526.html
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-September/039533.html

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From jon.roland at the-spa.com  Wed Sep 22 02:27:28 2004
From: jon.roland at the-spa.com (Jon Roland)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:27:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie requesting basic how-to
Message-ID: <4150C6F0.4020904@the-spa.com>

This is my first message to the list. I have used listservs for years as an 
ordinary subscriber, but the time has come to set one up on my local Linux 
machine, running Fedora Core 2. I have the latest Mailman installed, by default 
in /var/mailman, but after wending through the volumes of online documentation 
and email archives, and wandering through the files on my system, I am having 
trouble finding what I really need at this point, which is one simple 
instruction for setting it up. What I would really like, of course, would be one 
command:

# Mailman-setup

which would present me with a site administrator GUI that would enable me to do 
everything else. Is there such a thing? I don't want to have to bother with 
running commands from the shell, as I am not a good typist and my vision is 
poor, so I really would like a GUI for almost everything that will save me from 
typos.

My needs are very simple. The machine is not open to the world for access. I 
won't be having anyone on the Internet subscribing. For the time being, it will 
be used entirely as an internal tool, and initially I will subscribe users. 
Later, I might want to let them subscribe themselves, but for now it will be 
used only for announcements to various lists of recipients, going out through 
any of the MTAs we have running, such as postfix, sendmail, or any of the others 
that came with Fedora Core 2, which I see are running now in background, 
although we aren't using them, but using a remote ISP for mail service. We will, 
however, want to send email out to the Internet. We don't have our own local 
domain, so I will need to reconfigure our sender address from 
localhost.localdomain for outgoing email.

So all I will want to do, initially, is have the capability to select a 
recipient list, select a file containing the message body, select the Sender 
field, select the Reply-to field, enter the Subject, perhaps select a file or 
files to be the attachments, and hit Enter to begin sending, with perhaps a time 
delay between messages to avoid overflowing my outbound mail server, whether I 
use a local server or a remote one.

Can anyone provide or point me to simple instructions I can use without spending 
hours or days of study. I just want a quick setup and ease of use for the 
moment. Maybe later I will want to use other capabilities as I develop the need 
and learn how to use them.

I might also suggest that documentation like this should be prominently offered 
on the website. I can't be the only one with this need.

I also note that on the page for the list archive, some of the years offered are 
like 2024 and 2006. Surely your archive is not organized by the date set on the 
sending machine, but by the date email is actually sent.

In case anyone suspects this is for sending spam, it it not. It is in support of 
various non-profit organizations, such as http://www.constitution.org , and 
mainly for things like meeting announcements, press releases, and the like. I 
have examined the other tools I have, like Evolution, but it doesn't seem to 
give me the control or expansion capabilities I want (like being able to change 
my identity from localhost.localdomain).


-- Jon

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From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep 22 02:58:37 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:58:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie requesting basic how-to
In-Reply-To: <4150C6F0.4020904@the-spa.com>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409211758370781a4d038b2@msapiro>

Jon Roland wrote:

>This is my first message to the list. I have used listservs for years as an 
>ordinary subscriber, but the time has come to set one up on my local Linux 
>machine, running Fedora Core 2. I have the latest Mailman installed, by default 
>in /var/mailman, but after wending through the volumes of online documentation 
>and email archives, and wandering through the files on my system, I am having 
>trouble finding what I really need at this point, which is one simple 
>instruction for setting it up.

It is unclear to me where you are at this point. Have you read the
INSTALL file in the top level of the source distribution and done all
of that?

Are you ready to create a list? If so, you can do pretty much
everything via the GUI list creation/administration pages. See the
README file in the top level of the source distribution

>What I would really like, of course, would be one 
>command:
>
># Mailman-setup
>
>which would present me with a site administrator GUI that would enable me to do 
>everything else. Is there such a thing?

There is a list administrator GUI but not a site administrator GUI.
However once Mailman is actually installed, the site defaults may well
be fine for you.

>I don't want to have to bother with 
>running commands from the shell, as I am not a good typist and my vision is 
>poor, so I really would like a GUI for almost everything that will save me from 
>typos.

If you are installing from source, you have to do the steps in the
INSTALL document and there's no GUI for that.

>My needs are very simple. The machine is not open to the world for access. I 
>won't be having anyone on the Internet subscribing. For the time being, it will 
>be used entirely as an internal tool, and initially I will subscribe users. 
>Later, I might want to let them subscribe themselves, but for now it will be 
>used only for announcements to various lists of recipients, going out through 
>any of the MTAs we have running, such as postfix, sendmail, or any of the others 
>that came with Fedora Core 2, which I see are running now in background, 
>although we aren't using them, but using a remote ISP for mail service. We will, 
>however, want to send email out to the Internet. We don't have our own local 
>domain, so I will need to reconfigure our sender address from 
>localhost.localdomain for outgoing email.
>
>So all I will want to do, initially, is have the capability to select a 
>recipient list, select a file containing the message body, select the Sender 
>field, select the Reply-to field, enter the Subject, perhaps select a file or 
>files to be the attachments, and hit Enter to begin sending, with perhaps a time 
>delay between messages to avoid overflowing my outbound mail server, whether I 
>use a local server or a remote one.

Basically, you create a list through the list create/admin GUI and
subscribe your recipients (or they subscribe themselves). The
Reply-To: is a list option. Most if not all of the rest is
accomplished by sending the desired e-mail to the Mailman list, and
Mailman in turn sends the mail to the list members.

This is generally how "listservs" work.

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From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Sep 21 23:22:17 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:22:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: How can I do this?
In-Reply-To: <cipe9a$4co$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <cicd1t$eua$1@sea.gmane.org>
 <cipe9a$4co$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <p0600200bbd764b2f5705@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:36 AM -0500 2004-09-21, Chris Barnes wrote:

>  In other words, in MM in the Privacy/Sender section under where it says
>  "List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically
>  accepted" can I specify another list?

	No.

>  Do I understand from the lack of responses that this type of ability is
>  not available in MM?

	I had answered this question earlier on the list, but I guess you 
must not have found it in the archives.

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From andy.morris at mbproduction.com  Wed Sep 22 04:40:31 2004
From: andy.morris at mbproduction.com (Andy Morris)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:40:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman setup
Message-ID: <4150E61F.90406@mbproduction.com>

Okay, I have mailman running and created the initial list 'mailman'.  My 
questiong is, do i actually have to keep this list for mailman to run or 
can i hide this list from the actual lists page?

thanks,
Andy


From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep 22 05:39:58 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:39:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman setup
In-Reply-To: <4150E61F.90406@mbproduction.com>
Message-ID: <PC17152004092120395809686f6f1d42@msapiro>

Andy Morris wrote:

>Okay, I have mailman running and created the initial list 'mailman'.  My 
>questiong is, do i actually have to keep this list for mailman to run or 
>can i hide this list from the actual lists page?

You have to keep the list, but normally, you designate it as "private"
(not advertised), and it doesn't appear on the site listinfo page.

The setting is on the Privacy options...->Subscription rules page.

See the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
article 4.25

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From jon.roland at the-spa.com  Wed Sep 22 05:55:49 2004
From: jon.roland at the-spa.com (Jon Roland)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:55:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie requesting basic how-to
In-Reply-To: <PC1715200409211758370781a4d038b2@msapiro>
References: <PC1715200409211758370781a4d038b2@msapiro>
Message-ID: <4150F7C5.6050301@the-spa.com>

Thanks, Mark, for taking the time to respond.

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> It is unclear to me where you are at this point. Have you read the
> INSTALL file in the top level of the source distribution and done all
> of that?

I have now. It was not in the /var/mailman directory tree, but in the 
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.5/ directory, along with several README* files. The 
file I needed to read is INSTALL.REDHAT. It would be helpful if the site.org 
website had a *prominent* link to those files, with captions explaining what 
each is for. One needs to be able to read them before they become available as a 
result of installation, and know where to look for them.

> Are you ready to create a list? If so, you can do pretty much
> everything via the GUI list creation/administration pages. See the
> README file in the top level of the source distribution.

Not yet. It tells me I have to configure my web server and start it, but not 
much of a clue how to do that. The INSTALL.REDHAT file says:

"The RPM has installed a mailman config file (mailman.conf) in 
/etc/httpd/conf.d. You should edit the file to set your domain, see the 
instructions in the config file."

What "config file"? Presumably one of the several files ending in .conf, but it 
seems there should be a GUI for setting up the web server, which could in turn 
be launched by the GUI for setting up Mailman for the first time.

It seems like overkill to have to run the web server just to serve 1? list admin 
page, when all I want to do is send email to lists.

It next says:

"RedHat does not ship RPM's that enable services as part of package 
installation. You will need to enable the mailman service if you want mailman to 
run."

And although it provides the usual cryptic instructions for doing that, it is 
not clear how to get all this to work when I want it to, and not when I don't. I 
would like to add an icon to my desktop that would launch a script to start the 
web server, start the mailman daemon, launch the admin GUI, and turn off all 
those things when I finish using them. (Because system resources are limited, 
and I don't want more overhead than necessary.)

> There is a list administrator GUI but not a site administrator GUI.
> However once Mailman is actually installed, the site defaults may well
> be fine for you.

If a site administrator GUI is not in the current wish list, I would appreciate 
it if someone would add it and work on it. Call it "mailman-site-admin" or 
something. Make it a python program so it doesn't require the web server to be 
running. But how does one launch that list admin GUI?

> If you are installing from source, you have to do the steps in the
> INSTALL document and there's no GUI for that.

The binaries and doc files are pre-installed, apparently as part of the Fedora 
Core 2 distribution. (I don't remember installing it later.)

> Basically, you create a list through the list create/admin GUI and
> subscribe your recipients (or they subscribe themselves). The
> Reply-To: is a list option. Most if not all of the rest is
> accomplished by sending the desired e-mail to the Mailman list, and
> Mailman in turn sends the mail to the list members.

It is not obvious how I send the desired email to a Mailman list when everything 
is on one local machine and the domain is localhost.localdomain. Does it have a 
user account name that I can send to the way I would send to another user on the 
machine?

Again, thanks for your help, and please visit http://www.constitution.org , 
where some day this listserv might be installed when it is fully developed and I 
am confident I know how to administer it (without having a shell account with 
the ISP that hosts it, so that I will have to direct the ISP's sysadmin how to 
launch it, probably as a cron job -- the host at the ISP is also running Linux).

-- Jon

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From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep 22 07:08:33 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:08:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie requesting basic how-to
In-Reply-To: <4150F7C5.6050301@the-spa.com>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409212208330953f672c65a@msapiro>

Jon Roland 

>Thanks, Mark, for taking the time to respond.
>
>Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> It is unclear to me where you are at this point. Have you read the
>> INSTALL file in the top level of the source distribution and done all
>> of that?
>
>I have now. It was not in the /var/mailman directory tree, but in the 
>/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.5/ directory, along with several README* files. The 
>file I needed to read is INSTALL.REDHAT. It would be helpful if the site.org 
>website had a *prominent* link to those files, with captions explaining what 
>each is for. One needs to be able to read them before they become available as a 
>result of installation, and know where to look for them.

If you install Mailman from source, The INSTALL file and a bunch of
README files are in the top level directory of the source tarball. If
you install from somebody's RPM, you need to take this up with whoever
produced the RPM.

>> Are you ready to create a list? If so, you can do pretty much
>> everything via the GUI list creation/administration pages. See the
>> README file in the top level of the source distribution.
>
>Not yet. It tells me I have to configure my web server and start it, but not 
>much of a clue how to do that. The INSTALL.REDHAT file says:
>
>"The RPM has installed a mailman config file (mailman.conf) in 
>/etc/httpd/conf.d. You should edit the file to set your domain, see the 
>instructions in the config file."
>
>What "config file"? Presumably one of the several files ending in .conf, but it 
>seems there should be a GUI for setting up the web server, which could in turn 
>be launched by the GUI for setting up Mailman for the first time.
>
>It seems like overkill to have to run the web server just to serve 1? list admin 
>page, when all I want to do is send email to lists.

I think these are questions for RedHat or some RedHat user's forum.
Maybe somebody else here can answer them, but I can't.

As far as running the a web server is concerned, You don't have to, but
that's the GUI list administration and user interface. No web server
-> no GUI for even these functions.

>It next says:
>
>"RedHat does not ship RPM's that enable services as part of package 
>installation. You will need to enable the mailman service if you want mailman to 
>run."
>
>And although it provides the usual cryptic instructions for doing that, it is 
>not clear how to get all this to work when I want it to, and not when I don't. I 
>would like to add an icon to my desktop that would launch a script to start the 
>web server, start the mailman daemon, launch the admin GUI, and turn off all 
>those things when I finish using them. (Because system resources are limited, 
>and I don't want more overhead than necessary.)
>
>> There is a list administrator GUI but not a site administrator GUI.
>> However once Mailman is actually installed, the site defaults may well
>> be fine for you.
>
>If a site administrator GUI is not in the current wish list, I would appreciate 
>it if someone would add it and work on it. Call it "mailman-site-admin" or 
>something. Make it a python program so it doesn't require the web server to be 
>running. But how does one launch that list admin GUI?

Through the web interface. It's a bunch of Python scripts that
interface with the web server through CGI.

>> If you are installing from source, you have to do the steps in the
>> INSTALL document and there's no GUI for that.
>
>The binaries and doc files are pre-installed, apparently as part of the Fedora 
>Core 2 distribution. (I don't remember installing it later.)
>
>> Basically, you create a list through the list create/admin GUI and
>> subscribe your recipients (or they subscribe themselves). The
>> Reply-To: is a list option. Most if not all of the rest is
>> accomplished by sending the desired e-mail to the Mailman list, and
>> Mailman in turn sends the mail to the list members.
>
>It is not obvious how I send the desired email to a Mailman list when everything 
>is on one local machine and the domain is localhost.localdomain. Does it have a 
>user account name that I can send to the way I would send to another user on the 
>machine?

Lists have names e.g. mailman-users or whatever, but they aren't
accounts. You would post to listname at localhost.localdomain and it
would be up to your MTA (via aliases or in the case of Exim, other
means) to pass this to Mailman.

Yours is a highly unusual use of Mailman. Most installations would want
full time service and full time web access.

>Again, thanks for your help, and please visit http://www.constitution.org , 
>where some day this listserv might be installed when it is fully developed and I 
>am confident I know how to administer it (without having a shell account with 
>the ISP that hosts it, so that I will have to direct the ISP's sysadmin how to 
>launch it, probably as a cron job -- the host at the ISP is also running Linux).
>

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From acc at anthonychavez.org  Wed Sep 22 07:32:25 2004
From: acc at anthonychavez.org (Anthony Chavez)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:32:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Problems with relocating a list
References: <41509f12.1e2.a3c.939@cnc.bc.ca>
Message-ID: <m2wtymeumu.fsf@pegasos.anthonychavez.org>

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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:37:22 -0700 "Kevin W. Gagel" <gagel at cnc.bc.ca> wrote:

> You probably followed some of my instructions. I've not had a chance to get
> back to update them. In the mailman list directories you'll find that there
> are links to the archives. I had the same issue after I did mine, it took a
> bit to figure it out but simply deleting the links and making new ones to the
> correct location on the new machine fixed it for me.

Thank you for your response.

I've determined that in this case, it's a simple matter of
misconfiguration.  Attempts to view list advertisements at
http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo yields no results.  However,
connecting to http://mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo works fine.

However, Apache 2 still 403s when attempting to access
/pipermail/gubug/, using either hostname....

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From jon.roland at the-spa.com  Wed Sep 22 08:09:37 2004
From: jon.roland at the-spa.com (Jon Roland)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:09:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie requesting basic how-to
In-Reply-To: <PC1715200409212208330953f672c65a@msapiro>
References: <PC1715200409212208330953f672c65a@msapiro>
Message-ID: <41511721.1050308@the-spa.com>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> As far as running the a web server is concerned, You don't have to, but
> that's the GUI list administration and user interface. No web server
> -> no GUI for even these functions.

I've figured that out, and I can certainly see why it makes sense when the list 
administrator is not directly on the machine that hosts mailman, but it seems 
like it would be useful to have an alternative of running a python GUI that does 
the same thing without having to run the web server when the use for it is so 
limited. Just a suggested item for the to-do list.

>>But how does one launch that list admin GUI?
> 
> Through the web interface. It's a bunch of Python scripts that
> interface with the web server through CGI.

But what is the URL for that? In the /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf file it says:

# Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com with your server's
# name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page (recommended).

# RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo

Is the last line supposed to be

RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://localhost.localdomain/mailman/listinfo

or

RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://localhost.localdomain/var/mailman/listinfo

or what?

In the README file it says:

    - Visit the url:

         http://my.dom.ain/mailman/create

Is that last line supposed to be

         http://localhost.localdomain/var/mailman/create

since the installation directory is /var/mailman?

> Lists have names e.g. mailman-users or whatever, but they aren't
> accounts. You would post to listname at localhost.localdomain and it
> would be up to your MTA (via aliases or in the case of Exim, other
> means) to pass this to Mailman.

It is not clear how to set up the MTA. sendmail is running by default, so I 
might as well use that, but it is not obvious how to make mailman work with it. 
Is there some more newbie-friendly how-to for it, such as buried somewhere in 
the email archive? I have been searching and not found anything so far.

> Yours is a highly unusual use of Mailman. Most installations would want
> full time service and full time web access.

So may mine eventually. But I want to take small steps to that, proceeding as I 
learn and my needs grow. Right now the first step is just to be able to send 
press releases to several hundred news organizations. Later, I want to be able 
to do mailmerge things, like sending subscription renewal notices or bills with 
the amounts due from each recipient, who would be individually addressed in the 
body by "Dear <membername>: You owe us $<nn.nn>." Does Mailman support mailmerge?

I reiterate my original suggestion: that the developers offer beginning users a 
much easier way to set up mailman, a python GUI that configures all files, 
launches and tests the web server (if needed at all), launches the mailman 
daemon, enables one to set up the site, including setting up any cron jobs, and 
interfaces to the MTA, and then allows one to create and administer lists. That 
doesn't seem unreasonable. I suspect it would go a long way to advancing the 
cause of free open source and Linux.

When I was younger and less pressed financially, I could luxuriate in 
programming for the sheer fun of it. I still have the urge and the ability to do 
that, but now feel I'm in a race to get as much done as possible before the 
final shutdown, and can no longer afford the time. Age might be leisurely for 
some, but for me it is frenetic. Being the head of the Constitution Society, and 
having so many desperate people coming to me with tales of injustice, is 
pressure I feel intensely.

-- Jon

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From felix.natter at ldc.de  Wed Sep 22 09:42:19 2004
From: felix.natter at ldc.de (Felix Natter)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:42:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.11 + qmail
Message-ID: <68BB6F64E709D74CBB730496C5E629AC01DCA8@ldcs01.ldc.local>

hello,

I am using Debian woody along with the 2.0.11 Mailman debian package.
The CGI-scripts are working, now I am trying to set up the connection
to qmail.

For this purpose I am using qmail-to-mailman.py with these settings:
# Configuration variables - Change these for your site if necessary.
MailmanHome = "/var/lib/mailman"; # Mailman home directory.
MailmanOwner = "postmaster at localhost"; # Postmaster and abuse mail recepient.
MailmanUser = "list"; # Mailman user, in case you use other as mailman (as does Debian)

This is on a shared web+mailserver using virtualdomains like this:
tico-moden.de:m2004002-tico-moden.de
ldc.de:m2004001-ldc.de
[...]
(the Maildirs are in /home/m2004001/popusers/ldc.de

I used these instructions in qmail-to-mailman.py to set it up:
# To configure a virtual domain to connect to mailman, create these files:
#
# ~mailman/.qmail-default
# |preline /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qmail-to-mailman.py
#
# /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains:
# DOMAIN.COM:mailman
I also added "mailman.ldc.de" to /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts.
(mailman.ldc.de is now only an /etc/hosts entry, as I am testing this
on a local backup copy of the server)

But when I reply to a subscription request message I always get a bounce:
Sep 22 09:26:17 ds217-115-144-81 qmail: 1095837977.134495 delivery 2: failure: TO_ACCESS_THE_MAILING_LIST_SYSTEM:_Start_your_web_browser_on/http://mailman.ldc.de//That_web_page_will_help_you_subscribe_or_unsubscribe,_and_will/give_you_directions_on_how_to_post_to_each_mailing_list./

please tell me if you need more information. thank you,



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Sep 22 09:34:31 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:34:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie requesting basic how-to
In-Reply-To: <41511721.1050308@the-spa.com>
References: <PC1715200409212208330953f672c65a@msapiro>
	<41511721.1050308@the-spa.com>
Message-ID: <p06002016bd76d77737e2@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:09 AM -0500 2004-09-22, Jon Roland wrote:

>  I've figured that out, and I can certainly see why it makes sense when
>  the list administrator is not directly on the machine that hosts mailman,
>  but it seems like it would be useful to have an alternative of running a
>  python GUI that does the same thing without having to run the web server
>  when the use for it is so limited. Just a suggested item for the to-do list.

	I don't understand how you could possibly accomplish this.  Are 
you proposing that the Python developers create an entire new 
Graphical User Interface, to compete with X11R6/Gnome/KDE and the 
like, and then somehow serve this remotely via the Internet?!?

	There's a reason why standard tools like webservers are used for 
these kinds of things -- it's not excessively hard to implement a web 
interface component, you avoid re-inventing that wheel, and you avoid 
bloating your project by 100000000% as a result of incorporating all 
that duplicative code.


	Graphical user environments like X11 are some of the biggest 
projects (in terms of millions of lines of code) of any type of 
system on the Internet.  Somewhat smaller are major daemons to 
implement complex communications protocols with lots of plug-ins, 
sub-options, cryptographic security subsystems, and varieties of ways 
to configure them (such as apache).

	Many, many orders of magnitude smaller are things like Python and 
Mailman.  Heck, you could probably fit all of Python (including 
Mailman) into the space of a single plug-in for Apache.


	Does the flea try to re-invent the elephant, so that it will have 
a place to live?  Does the flea then try to incorporate the elephant 
into itself, so that it will always have a place to live?

	I think this concept has to qualify as one of the most 
unrealistic and implausible suggestions that I have heard in ... many 
years.  The mind boggles.



	I have never threatened to give a Douglas N. Adams "Infinite 
Improbability Award" to anyone, but I think if I did, you'd have to 
be top of that list.

	Well, at least within the field of Internet Technology -- I think 
it would be hard to beat some of the unbelievable things that some 
politicians have suggested, like trying to tie 9/11 to Saddam Hussein 
and using that lie as a pretext to war.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

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From jon.roland at the-spa.com  Wed Sep 22 10:32:54 2004
From: jon.roland at the-spa.com (Jon Roland)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:32:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie requesting basic how-to
In-Reply-To: <p06002016bd76d77737e2@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <PC1715200409212208330953f672c65a@msapiro>
	<41511721.1050308@the-spa.com> <p06002016bd76d77737e2@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <415138B6.6060407@the-spa.com>

Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 1:09 AM -0500 2004-09-22, Jon Roland wrote:
>> it seems like it would be useful to have an alternative of running a
>>  python GUI that does the same thing without having to run the web server
>>  when the use for it is so limited. Just a suggested item for the 
>> to-do list.
> 
>     I don't understand how you could possibly accomplish this.  Are you 
> proposing that the Python developers create an entire new Graphical User 
> Interface, to compete with X11R6/Gnome/KDE and the like, and then 
> somehow serve this remotely via the Internet?!?

Of course not. Just a simple GUI front end for installing and setting up a 
Mailman site, that would incorporate expert knowledge about various environments 
so that the user doesn't have to struggle with manually editing configuration 
files, finding needed program files, launching web servers and mailman daemons, 
establishing interfaces with the MTA, etc. Same kind of thing we do with all 
kinds of popular apps. But if you're running Suse 9.1 on a 400 MHz Pentium III 
with only 128MG of RAM, you don't want to run unnecessary background processes, 
like a web server, when all it is needed for is to set up a list locally. 
Remotely, sure. Using a web browser for that for a short time makes sense. But a 
lot of people have to do things on old, underpowered laptops.

But I'm more interested in a GUI for site setup. If it can start and stop the 
web server, running it long enough to create a list and add or delete recipients 
to or from it is acceptable, provided one doesn't forget to stop it when that is 
complete.

Wherever did you get the bizarre idea I was proposing some entire new desktop 
environment? Simple setup GUI, like the ones we use for setting up email clients 
and accounts for them. User just has to choose from among suggested options, and 
not have to type in much if anything. That doesn't seem like too much to ask for.

If Linux is going to displace MS Windows, major apps are going to have to enable 
users to use their tools without ever having to see the CLI. Point and click.

-- Jon

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From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Sep 22 10:56:05 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:56:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie requesting basic how-to
In-Reply-To: <415138B6.6060407@the-spa.com>
References: <PC1715200409212208330953f672c65a@msapiro>
	<41511721.1050308@the-spa.com> <p06002016bd76d77737e2@[10.0.1.3]>
	<415138B6.6060407@the-spa.com>
Message-ID: <p06002001bd76eb93ee96@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:32 AM -0500 2004-09-22, Jon Roland wrote:

>>      I don't understand how you could possibly accomplish this.  Are
>>  you proposing that the Python developers create an entire new
>>  Graphical User Interface, to compete with X11R6/Gnome/KDE and the
>>  like, and then somehow serve this remotely via the Internet?!?
>
>  Of course not. Just a simple GUI front end for installing and setting
>  up a Mailman site, that would incorporate expert knowledge about
>  various environments so that the user doesn't have to struggle with
>  manually editing configuration files, finding needed program files,
>  launching web servers and mailman daemons, establishing interfaces
>  with the MTA, etc.

	What do you mean by "a simple GUI front end"?  I mean, even the 
simplest X11R6 application is going to be larger than the entire 
Python/Mailman project, even if it's just the graphical version of 
"Hello, World!"

	You then also get into KDE vs. Gnome vs. whatever arguments, so 
you end up having to do twelve zillion different versions for all the 
hundreds of different platforms we support.


	I mean, it's not like we support just one single Linux 
distribution running on a single hardware platform with a single GUI 
environment and a single Desktop Manager.

>  But I'm more interested in a GUI for site setup. If it can start and
>  stop the web server, running it long enough to create a list and add
>  or delete recipients to or from it is acceptable, provided one doesn't
>  forget to stop it when that is complete.

	Again, tell me how we can do this in a cross-platform way that 
will work on all the many multitudes of hardware/OS platforms we 
support.

	Now, tell me how we can do that without effectively providing our 
own entire Operating System, Graphical User Environment, Desktop 
Manager, etc... that we port along with us to every single platform. 
The Mozilla people go a pretty long ways towards doing just that, and 
they don't support nearly as many different hardware/OS platforms as 
we do, and they're just a client and don't have a server side to be 
concerned about.


	For us, the code we're writing is pretty much just the server 
side alone, with some interface components to try to make it a bit 
easier to manage the system via a web browser connected to a web 
server.

>  Wherever did you get the bizarre idea I was proposing some entire new
>  desktop environment? Simple setup GUI, like the ones we use for setting
>  up email clients and accounts for them. User just has to choose from
>  among suggested options, and not have to type in much if anything. That
>  doesn't seem like too much to ask for.

	Clearly, you're not getting the concept here.  Maybe you should 
get the DNA "Infinite Improbability Award" after all.

>  If Linux is going to displace MS Windows, major apps are going to have
>  to enable users to use their tools without ever having to see the CLI.
>  Point and click.

	You think it's possible for us to care exclusively about a single 
OS?  Sure, we may have our individual personal preferences, but so 
does everyone else.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

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From abbas at mustafacomputers.com  Wed Sep 22 11:37:33 2004
From: abbas at mustafacomputers.com (Abbas Qaizar)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:37:33 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help for Bounced Emails
Message-ID: <003f01c4a087$d1a07700$0600000a@mcnp>

Hi Everybody,

Can anybody explain for this :

"
We have received some recent bounces from your address. Your current bounce score is 1.0 out of a maximum of 5.0. Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and that there are no problems with delivery to this address. Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are corrected soon. 

"

I have around 2000+ Valid Emails in my list ........just to re-confirm whether they are receiving my mails I randomnly clicked few out of them and the message displayed is written in RED COLOR........................ .............I am dead sure about these addresses because I sent testing mails to them and they didn't return.


Can anybody explain, what could be the problem ???

Will greatly appreciate soonest reply.




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From macangels at spamcop.net  Wed Sep 22 15:03:33 2004
From: macangels at spamcop.net (demo)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:03:33 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman setup
In-Reply-To: <20040922060949.9BCC21E400B@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <BD7728A5.2E6A%macangels@spamcop.net>

Interesting.

> Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 7, Issue 54
> 
>> Okay, I have mailman running and created the initial list 'mailman'.  My
>> questiong is, do i actually have to keep this list for mailman to run or
>> can i hide this list from the actual lists page?
> 
> You have to keep the list, but normally, you designate it as "private"
> (not advertised), and it doesn't appear on the site listinfo page.

Just to document this,

in the Apple version of Mailman - for which there is little/no OEM
documentation or support - if you use the GUI to delete the Mailman list you
cannot remake it without, it seems, deleting all lists and starting over.

The archive remains in /var/mailman/archives/public and private but list not
appear in /var/mailman/lists

The lists seem to keep functioning but I will have to have a look and see if
it is about to fall over.

If you re-create it - or indeed a new List - via the 'Apple undocumented'
web interface, you get the following error message *BUT* Mailman will create
the list which will then appear in the GUI.

I guess this underlines problems in creating GUIs for one OS to control
Mailman even with the weigh of a corp behind you.

John


Traceback:


Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
    process_request(doc, cgidata)
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in
process_request
    sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create
    _update_maps()
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps
    raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
/private/var/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

More info by request.




From cmefford at eruditium.org  Wed Sep 22 15:28:08 2004
From: cmefford at eruditium.org (Chip Mefford)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:28:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Has there been an update to this issue? archiving
	incorrectly parse
In-Reply-To: <05AC6B7B-9B9F-11D8-BFD0-000393D609FE@nuvox.net>
References: <05AC6B7B-9B9F-11D8-BFD0-000393D609FE@nuvox.net>
Message-ID: <41517DE8.5010900@eruditium.org>

messages?

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=953320&group_id=103&atid=100103

Thanks in advance for any help.

--chipper

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From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Wed Sep 22 16:26:26 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:26:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Newbie requesting basic how-to
References: <PC1715200409212208330953f672c65a@msapiro><41511721.1050308@the-spa.com>
	<p06002016bd76d77737e2@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <cis22g$ido$1@sea.gmane.org>

Brad Knowles <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote:
>>  I've figured that out, and I can certainly see why it makes sense
>>  when the list administrator is not directly on the machine that
>>  hosts mailman, but it seems like it would be useful to have an
>>  alternative of running a python GUI that does the same thing
>>  without having to run the web server when the use for it is so
>> limited. Just a suggested item for the to-do list.
>
> I don't understand how you could possibly accomplish this.  Are
> you proposing that the Python developers create an entire new
> Graphical User Interface, to compete with X11R6/Gnome/KDE and the
> like, and then somehow serve this remotely via the Internet?!?


I'm going to come at his question from the 'other side'...
Having "grown up" in a Listserv (lsoft) environment since the mid 80's, 
I *like* being able to configure my server by use of .config files (ie. 
text editing) and create/maintain lists via email.  After all, it seems 
ALOT harder to use 20 different webpage forms than it is to type in:

Put Listname List PW=listpw
Listdescription line

Subscription=  Owner                 Send=     Public
Reply-To=      Sender                Review=   Private
Confidential=  Yes                   Service=  *
Editor-Header= No                    Notify=   Yes
Subject-Tag=   MyList                Default-Options= Subj
Topics= JHG,JHB,HSG,HSB
Default-Topics= Other
Notebook = Yes,/archives/listname,Monthly,Private
Digest = Yes,Same,Daily,,10000

Owner= chris at txbarnes.com Chris Barnes
Owner= Quiet:
Owner= Owner(otherList)
Editor= chris at txbarnes.com Chris Barnes
Editor= (otherList)

and email it to the server.

Please don't mistake what I'm saying here.  I like MailMan and it has 
some nice features that Listserv doesn't have (the newsgroup mirroring 
for example is great).  And of course the fact it's free whereas 
Listserv is &$#$@ expensive is a HUGE bonus.  But there is alot to be 
said for simplicity.

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From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep 22 17:02:27 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:02:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Has there been an update to this issue?
	archivingincorrectly parse
In-Reply-To: <41517DE8.5010900@eruditium.org>
Message-ID: <PC17152004092208022709064e7c88a5@msapiro>

Chip Mefford wrote:

>messages?
>
>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=953320&group_id=103&atid=100103
>

Two comments were added today.

>Thanks in advance for any help.

This problem is fixable by "escaping" the offending "^From .*$" lines
in the listname.mbox/listname.mbox file, either manually or with
bin/cleanarch and then rebuilding the archive with bin/arch --wipe.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep 22 17:14:36 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:14:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help for Bounced Emails
In-Reply-To: <003f01c4a087$d1a07700$0600000a@mcnp>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409220814360953e6b731fd@msapiro>

Abbas Qaizar wrote:
>
>Can anybody explain for this :
>
>"
>We have received some recent bounces from your address. Your current bounce score is 1.0 out of a maximum of 5.0. Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and that there are no problems with delivery to this address. Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are corrected soon. 
>
>"
>
>I have around 2000+ Valid Emails in my list ........just to re-confirm whether they are receiving my mails I randomnly clicked few out of them and the message displayed is written in RED COLOR........................ .............I am dead sure about these addresses because I sent testing mails to them and they didn't return.
>
>
>Can anybody explain, what could be the problem ???

Go to
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and read article 5.12

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From billd at forest.net  Wed Sep 22 17:21:27 2004
From: billd at forest.net (William R.Dickson)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:21:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman+Postfix+Postfix Admin?
In-Reply-To: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650CF2@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>
References: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650CF2@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>
Message-ID: <12822CA2-0CAB-11D9-9FDB-00039377F878@forest.net>

Hi all,

I've been running Mailman for years with Sendmail, but am now 
attempting to set up a new mail server with Postfix instead.  The 
documentation all seems to be pretty straightforward -- but 
unfortunately, it also all seems to be inapplicable once Postfix Admin 
is added to the mix.  Aliases added to files specified in Postfix's 
main.cf file seem to be ignored, since they're instead being pulled 
from Postfix Admin's MySQL tables.

I'll be asking about this over at the Postfix Admin site as well; I 
know this isn't really a Mailman issue.  But if anybody else on this 
list has managed to glue together a similar setup, I'd very much 
appreciate some pointers.

Thanks!

-Bill



From felix.klee at inka.de  Wed Sep 22 17:55:59 2004
From: felix.klee at inka.de (Felix E. Klee)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:55:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Making mailman approve all messages with a certain
	header
Message-ID: <20040922175559.77ea4d59.felix.klee@inka.de>

Hi,

I'd like to make mailman accept all messages with a certain header, say
"Innposted: 1".  I already tried adding

    if msgdata.get('innposted'):
        msgdata['approved'] = 1
        msgdata['adminapproved'] = 1

after

    if passwd is not missing and mlist.Authenticate((mm_cfg.AuthListModerator,
                                                     mm_cfg.AuthListAdmin),
                                                    passwd):
        # BAW: should we definitely deny if the password exists but does not
        # match?  For now we'll let it percolate up for further determination.
        msgdata['approved'] = 1
        # Used by the Emergency module
        msgdata['adminapproved'] = 1

in Mailman/approve.py, but this doesn't work.  The messages are still
rejected ("... requires approval", etc.).

Any ideas how to make Mailman do what I want?

Felix


From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Wed Sep 22 18:08:50 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:08:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie requesting basic how-to
In-Reply-To: <p06002001bd76eb93ee96@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <PC1715200409212208330953f672c65a@msapiro>
	<41511721.1050308@the-spa.com>
	<p06002016bd76d77737e2@[10.0.1.3]>	<415138B6.6060407@the-spa.com>
	<p06002001bd76eb93ee96@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <F9D4ABC17C41DD9411D16CD3@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>



--On Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:56 am +0200 Brad Knowles 
<brad at stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote:

> 	What do you mean by "a simple GUI front end"?  I mean, even the simplest
> X11R6 application is going to be larger than the entire Python/Mailman
> project, even if it's just the graphical version of "Hello, World!"
>

I think that what is called for is an installer package, using one of the 
various installer systems out there. Now, that would NOT entail creating an 
application, just writing some installer config files.

That would get the software installed, but not configured. Still, that 
would make life easier for people installing the software.

-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS



From cmefford at eruditium.org  Wed Sep 22 18:35:47 2004
From: cmefford at eruditium.org (Chip Mefford)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:35:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Has there been an update to this issue?
	archivingincorrectly parse
In-Reply-To: <PC17152004092208022709064e7c88a5@msapiro>
References: <PC17152004092208022709064e7c88a5@msapiro>
Message-ID: <4151A9E3.3070607@eruditium.org>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Chip Mefford wrote:
>>messages?
>>
>>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=953320&group_id=103&atid=100103
>>
> Two comments were added today.
>>Thanks in advance for any help.
> 
> This problem is fixable by "escaping" the offending "^From .*$" lines
> in the listname.mbox/listname.mbox file, either manually or with
> bin/cleanarch and then rebuilding the archive with bin/arch --wipe.

Thanks kindly,

I'll pass that along.

Big help, really
--

-- 
This message has been scanned for viruses and
dangerous content, and is believed to be clean.



From acc at anthonychavez.org  Wed Sep 22 19:58:11 2004
From: acc at anthonychavez.org (Anthony Chavez)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:58:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache: allow which dirs? (was Re: Problems with
	relocating a list)
References: <41509f12.1e2.a3c.939@cnc.bc.ca>
	<m2wtymeumu.fsf@pegasos.anthonychavez.org>
Message-ID: <m2hdpqchjg.fsf_-_@pegasos.anthonychavez.org>

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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:32:25 -0600 Anthony Chavez <acc at anthonychavez.org> wrote:

> However, Apache 2 still 403s when attempting to access
> /pipermail/listname/, using either hostname....

My question at this point is this: what Mailman directories should
Apache allow access to?  Section 4 of the INSTALL document says to allow
access from all for /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin, but in order to access
my public archives I also must enable it for
/usr/local/mailman/archives/public.

- -- 
Anthony Chavez                             http://www.anthonychavez.org/
mailto:acc at anthonychavez.org         jabber:acc at jabber.anthonychavez.org
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From felix.klee at inka.de  Wed Sep 22 21:25:27 2004
From: felix.klee at inka.de (Felix E. Klee)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:25:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Making mailman approve all messages with a
	certain header
In-Reply-To: <20040922175559.77ea4d59.felix.klee@inka.de>
References: <20040922175559.77ea4d59.felix.klee@inka.de>
Message-ID: <20040922212527.7ccae38c.felix.klee@inka.de>

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:55:59 +0200 Felix E. Klee wrote:
>     if msgdata.get('innposted'):

Should be

     if msg.get('innposted'):

It works now.

Felix


From tim at yingtong.co.uk  Wed Sep 22 22:51:12 2004
From: tim at yingtong.co.uk (Tim Walter)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:51:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maybe Slightly OT,
	Bounces with "host name loopup failure"
Message-ID: <4151E5C0.806@yingtong.co.uk>

I suspect my mailman setup is stable and OK but a new problem has
developed and can't resolve it...

Mailman 2.1.3 running with sendmail on a raq4
mailman domain is emisnug.org.uk raq is raq****.uk2net.com
ISP is uk2.net

The list is running fine, mail to most people working OK to and fro etc

The problem exists for those people who use uk2net.net (i.e. the same
people the raq is hosted with for mail forwarding etc  They can post to
the list but not recieve anything

The transcript of the bounce messages are as follows

The original message was received at Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:40:57 +0100
from localhost [127.0.0.1]

    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<complists at domain1.com>
<emislist at domain2.com>

    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
<complists at domain1.com>... Deferred: Name server: ultra25.uk2net.net.:
host name lookup failure
<emislist at domain2.com>... Deferred: Name server: ultra19.uk2net.net.:
host name lookup failure
Message could not be delivered for 5 days
Message will be deleted from queue


Now that tells me that the problem is with uk2net.net and thier own MX
host names wont resolve

dig gives

Tims-Mac:~ TimWalter$ dig domain1.com MX

; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> domain1.com MX
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 46208
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 2

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;domain1.com.                    IN      MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
domain1.com.             86400   IN      MX      10 ultra25.uk2net.net.
domain1.com.             86400   IN      MX      0 ultra26.uk2net.net.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ultra26.uk2net.net.     74664   IN      A       212.4.208.126
ultra25.uk2net.net.     122018  IN      A       212.4.208.125

;; Query time: 310 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.0.10#53(192.168.0.10)
;; WHEN: Wed Sep 22 19:28:31 2004
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 118

Tims-Mac:~ TimWalter$ dig emisnug.org.uk MX

; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> emisnug.org.uk MX
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 30318
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;emisnug.org.uk.                        IN      MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
emisnug.org.uk.         86400   IN      MX      30 emisnug.org.uk.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
emisnug.org.uk.         86400   IN      A       213.239.46.179

;; Query time: 136 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.0.10#53(192.168.0.10)
;; WHEN: Wed Sep 22 19:29:58 2004
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 64

Tims-Mac:~ TimWalter$ dig raq****.uk2net.com MX

; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> raq****.uk2net.com MX
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 20740
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;raq****.uk2net.com.            IN      MX

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
uk2net.com.             10800   IN      SOA     ns1.uk2.net.
hostmaster.uk2net.com. 2004090902 1800 900 1209600 86400

;; Query time: 39 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.0.10#53(192.168.0.10)
;; WHEN: Wed Sep 22 19:30:36 2004
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 94


the ISP resolutely refuses to answer the phone etc! but what can I do in
the meantime, is it my prob or elsewhere etc.

Cheers

Tim




From dana at rasmussen.us  Thu Sep 23 00:35:30 2004
From: dana at rasmussen.us (Dana Rasmussen)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:35:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions about the "Mass" subscribe option
Message-ID: <4151FE32.3040605@rasmussen.us>

Hello,

Does the mass subscribe option allow for bulk additions from a file containing the list of addresses?

Can you invite people to join a list using the mass subscribe option?  I would like the potential members to "opt-in" with a confirmation reply e-mail.

Regards,

Dana




From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 23 01:29:24 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 01:29:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie requesting basic how-to
In-Reply-To: <F9D4ABC17C41DD9411D16CD3@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
References: <PC1715200409212208330953f672c65a@msapiro> 
	<41511721.1050308@the-spa.com> <p06002016bd76d77737e2@[10.0.1.3]>
	<415138B6.6060407@the-spa.com> <p06002001bd76eb93ee96@[10.0.1.3]>
	<F9D4ABC17C41DD9411D16CD3@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <p06002000bd77b8ae00f8@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:08 PM +0100 2004-09-22, Ian Eiloart wrote:

>  I think that what is called for is an installer package, using one of
>  the various installer systems out there. Now, that would NOT entail
>  creating an application, just writing some installer config files.

	The problem is that you have to do this across every platform we 
support.  Moreover, each platform will have their own concept of how 
Mailman should be packaged and installed, with their own tools, and 
this method would be in direct conflict with that.

	Moreover, you would then have to port that installer package 
along with you everywhere.

>  That would get the software installed, but not configured. Still, that
>  would make life easier for people installing the software.

	If you want that, use one of the packaged versions provided by 
your OS vendor.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com  Thu Sep 23 05:23:53 2004
From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:23:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Successful Panther (MacOS X 10.3) installation
 steps for Mailman (updated)
In-Reply-To: <BD119999.BB19%lstone19@stonejongleux.com>
Message-ID: <BD77ABF9.2A7C%lstone19@stonejongleux.com>

In July, I posted on this topic with my best recollection of how I installed
mailman on MacOS X 10.3. Today, I finally had a chance to try out my own
instructions on my test system. There were a few minor mistakes so here is
the corrected and tested version:

Successful Panther (MacOS X 10.3) installation steps for Mailman

This document descibes my experience installing Mailman (2.1.4 but I
assume this is equally valid for 2.1.5 which was current when this was
written) on MacOS X 10.3 (Panther). It is largely based on Kathleen Webb's
document on installing Mailman and Sendmail on MacOS X 10.2 (Jaguar)
(<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-October/022944.html>)
which contains some information on tools that can be useful that will not be
repeated here.

This guide assumes that you have Postfix (which comes with Panther) already
configured and operating and that you are familiar with the Unix shell and
basic text editing from the shell (vi or emacs). It is intended to help you
get Mailman installed. It does not deal with actually using Mailman as there
are pleny of other sources of help for that.

These instructions have been tested on a new installation. Questions
are best asked through the mailman mailing list.

========================================
Step 1) Collect all the things you need.

a) You need to download and decompress the Mailman software. (The
installation instructions are in step 3.) Download the software from:
    http://www.list.org/

b) You need to be an administrator of your computer. If you do not have
administrator privileges, you will not be able to do this.

c) Python comes pre-installed on your computer. It is already
functioning and ready for use by Mailman. (To verify you have Python, open
the Terminal application. at the  % prompt, type:
    sudo Python -V
and then hit the enter/return key. You'll be prompted for your password.
When you enter it, the terminal will respond with the Python version.

d) Apache web server software comes pre-installed on your computer and has
already been configured and is running.

e) Postfix is already installed on your computer but is not running by
default. You will need to get Postfix configured and started but how to do
that is beyond the scope of this document.

f) You may need to know how to get into hidden subdirectories. In the
Finder,
use the Go menu and choose Go to Folder. Type in the path to the hidden
folder you need to open.

g) You may need to know how to make a new user. You use the System
Preferences
application [from the Apple menu]. Use the Accounts panel in the System
section.

h) You need to know how to run the Net Info Manager application. [It is in
the Utilities folder in the Applications folder.] You use this to create
groups.

i) You need to install the Developer Tools that came with your Panther disks
or several of the steps won't work.

========================================
Step 2) Set up the user and group needed to run Mailman.

I was surprised to find a mailman user already existed. I can only guess
that is becuase mailman is included with Panther Server and the account
"leaked" into the client version of Panther. Use Netinfo Manager (in
Utilities inside Applications) to verify that it is using the following. If
mailman does not yet exist, see Kathleen Webb's document to set it up.

a) Open the Net Info Manager application. (It is located in the Utilities
folder inside the Applications folder.)

b) Click on groups in the second column. Click on mailman in the third
column. Verify that in the bottom window you see a property "gid" with value
78.

c) Click on users in the second column. Click on mailman in the third
column. Verify that in the bottom window you see a property "uid" with value
78.

Assuming all of the above is there, we're good to go.

========================================
Step 3) Create a folder for mailman in the finder.

a) You can choose where to create the folder. I chose to make the mailman
folder in the Applications folder. These instructions assume that is where
you create the new folder.

b) Copy the downloaded and uncompressed mailman-version (e.g. mailman-2.1.5)
folder into the new mailman folder in the Applications folder.

c) Click on the mailman folder and set the owner and group to mailman with
the Show Info command.

d) In the Terminal application, type:
    sudo chmod a+rw,g+ws /Applications/mailman

e) Assuming the you are using the mailman-2.1.5 version, in the Terminal
application type:
    cd /Applications/mailman/mailman-2.1.5
    sudo ./configure --prefix=/Applications/mailman --with-cgi-gid=www
--with-mail-gid=nobody

(FYI: on my machine www is group 70)

f) A whole bunch of lines of code will scroll through the Terminal window.
When it finishes, in the Terminal window, type:
    sudo make install
    cd ..
    sudo bin/check_perms -f
    sudo bin/check_perms -f

(Repeat the check_perms until no errors are reported. If you end up with
problems later, this whole step is probably where the problem will come
from. Permissions are important to Mailman.)


========================================
Step 4) Set up your web server to serve the Mailman web pages for
subscribing and administrating the mailing list.

a) From the Finder, use the Go menu and choose Go to Folder. Type in:
    /etc/httpd/

b) Select the httpd.conf file. Change its owner to you with Show Info.

c) Open httpd.conf with a text editor. Alternatively, skip a and b and using
Terminal, type sudo vi /etc/httpd.conf and edit the file with vi (or emacs
if you know emacs). Add these lines to the file:

          ScriptAlias   /mailman/       /Applications/mailman/cgi-bin/
          Alias /pipermail/    /Applications/mailman/archives/public/
  <Directory "/Applications/mailman/archives/public">
  Options FollowSymLinks
  </Directory>

d) Save the file and close it. Change the owner back to System with the Show
Info if you changed it in step b.

e) Copy the images used for the mailman web pages to where Apache expects
them. In Terminal:
    sudo cp /Applications/mailman/icons/* /usr/share/httpd/icons

f) In the Terminal application, type:
    sudo su
    cd /Applications/mailman/cron
    crontab crontab.in
    exit
    sudo /Applications/mailman/bin/mmsitepass xxxx

[Replace xxxx with the password you want to use as the master password to
the mailman application.]

========================================
Step 5) Configure Postfix to support a separate Mailman alias file.

a) Edit your Postix configuration file (/etc/postfix/main.cf) and add:
alias_maps=hash:/etc/postfix/aliases,
 hash:/Applications/Mailman/data/aliases

b) Reload postfix with:
    sudo postfix reload

========================================
Step 6) Configure Mailman

a) We need to let Mailman know we're using Postfix. Using you favorite means
of text editing, open /Applications/Mailman/mailman mm_cfg.py and add below
the line that says "# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.":
     MTA = "Postfix"

========================================
Step 7) Create your site-wide mailing list (mailman).

Read the instructions in INSTALL in your mailman source directory
(/Applications/Mailman/Mailman-2.1.5).

In short, in the Terminal application, type:
    sudo su
    cd /Applications/mailman
    bin/newlist mailman
    bin/config_list -i data/sitelist.cfg mailman

========================================
Step 8) Configure your system to start Mailman when it is booted.

a) Open Terminal and change directory to /Library/StartupItems:
     sudo su
     cd /Library/StartupItems

b) Create the Mailman startup directory:
     mkdir Mailman

c) Verify the directory ownership and permissions:
     ls -l
   You should see one of the lines saying something like:
     drwxr-xr-x  5 root   admin   170 12 May 11:21 Mailman

d) If the permissions (rwxr-xr-x) are not correct, type:
     chmod 755 Mailman

e) If the owner (root) or group (admin) is not correct, type:
     chown root:admin Mailman

f) Change directory to the Mailman subdirectory (you will now be in
/Library/StartupItems/Mailman):
     cd Mailman

g) Using your favorite method of text editing, create the file Mailman (in
/Library/StartupItems/Mailman) with the following contents:
#!/bin/sh

. /etc/rc.common

StartService ()
{
    if [ "${MAILMAN:=-NO-}" = "-YES-" ]; then
            ConsoleMessage "Starting mailman service"
            cd /Applications/Mailman
            bin/mailmanctl -s start
    fi
}

StopService ()
{
        ConsoleMessage "Stopping mailman service"
        cd /Applications/Mailman
        bin/mailmanctl stop
}

RestartService ()
{
    if [ "${MAILMAN:=-NO-}" = "-YES-" ]; then
            ConsoleMessage "Restarting mailman service"
            cd /Applications/Mailman
            bin/mailmanctl restart
    else
        StopService
    fi
}

RunService "$1"

h) Make the file just created executable. In Terminal:
     sudo chmod 755 /Library/StartupItems/Mailman/Mailman
 
i) Using your favorite method of text editing, create the file
StartupParameters.plist (in /Library/StartupItems/Mailman) with the
following contents:
{
  Description   = "Mailman mailing list server";
  Provides      = ("Mailman");
  Requires      = ("SMTP");
  Uses          = ("Network Time", "NFS");
  Preference    = "None";
  Messages =
  {
    start = "Starting Mailman";
    stop  = "Stopping Mailman";
    restart  = "Reloading Mailman Configuration";
  };
}


i) Using you favorite method of text editing, open /etc/hostconfig and add
the line:
     MAILMAN=-YES-

j) Reboot (Restart) your system. When it finishes rebooting, Mailman should
be running. To verify, open Terminal and type:
    ps -ax | grep python
You should see a bunch of lines like this:
  434  ??  Ss     0:00.04 python bin/mailmanctl -s start
  443  ??  S      4:19.95 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner
--r
  444  ??  S      4:08.58 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner
--r
  445  ??  S      4:11.20 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner
--r
  446  ??  S      4:06.93 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner
--r
  447  ??  S      3:59.35 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner
--r
  448  ??  S      4:16.59 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner
--r
  449  ??  S      4:04.08 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner
--r
  450  ??  S      0:00.85 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner
--r
16621 std  R+     0:00.00 grep -i python
(The numbers will vary. The important thing is that you see the qrunner
processes)

========================================
Step 9) Enjoy!

At this point, mailman should be ready to use. Read the documentation in
your source directory for instructions on setting up your mailing lists.

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From ptatters at zerobyzero.ca  Thu Sep 23 05:31:16 2004
From: ptatters at zerobyzero.ca (Peter Tattersall)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 23:31:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Successful Panther (MacOS X 10.3) installation
	steps for Mailman (updated)
In-Reply-To: <BD77ABF9.2A7C%lstone19@stonejongleux.com>
References: <BD77ABF9.2A7C%lstone19@stonejongleux.com>
Message-ID: <06C88905-0D11-11D9-A9F0-0003931C4CFA@zerobyzero.ca>

On 22-Sep-04, at 11:23 PM, Larry Stone wrote:

> e) Postfix is already installed on your computer but is not running by
> default. You will need to get Postfix configured and started but how 
> to do
> that is beyond the scope of this document.
>
Postfix Enabler, either the release version 1.0.9 or the beta version 
(quite stable) which adds SpamAssassin.

See <http://www.roadstead.com/weblog/Tutorials/PostfixEnabler.html>

Peter T



From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Sep 23 08:14:32 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:14:32 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages from "checkdbs"  cron job
In-Reply-To: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650CD5@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>
References: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650CD5@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>
Message-ID: <D5E81185-0D27-11D9-A8ED-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Sep 22, 2004, at 02:12, Franco, Ruben wrote:

> 	I recently installed Mailman 2.1.5 and have loaded up the mailman 
> crons that came with the install.  I have noticed the following 
> messages everday when the "checkdbs" cron runs and I was wondering 
> what the message meant.  Is something wrong with my configuration or 
> is there a problem with a list on my system?
>

> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 178, in ?
> [...]
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 130, in 
> __getmsgids
>     ids = [k for k, (op, data) in self.__db.items() if op == rtype]
> ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size

It looks like there is a problem with the request.pck database of at 
least one of your lists.  You can use the bin/check_db tool to help 
narrow down which one.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From smcclure at rice.edu  Thu Sep 16 17:10:58 2004
From: smcclure at rice.edu (Susan McClure)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:10:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Documentation -Is this all there is?
Message-ID: <4149AD02.4000009@rice.edu>

We are running Solaris 2.8 server with mailman 2.1.4 and python 2.3.2

Our mailman admin who set things up has left, and I am trying to come up
to speed.  Am I missing some key, basic, sys-admin type "Administration 
Guide"
for Mailman?  I found all the stuff at  http://www.list.org/  but the 
Sys Admin
stuff is only about the command line scripts. 

The FAQ's with lots of digging reveal some very good articles about
troubleshooting, but is there any doc that talks about these types of
topics:
    -Basic Directory structure
    -info about the various qfiles subdirs and what their for.
    -info about the various types of logs (vette, qrunner etc) and what
a normal log entry for a working mail list would look like
    -Ways to gather more detailed troubleshooting info, or more
verbose logs if needed.

Many Thanks.

-- 
-------
Susan K. McClure              |  Rice University
Unix System Administrator     |  Educational Technology, MS119
W-713.348.4852 C-281.216.5658 |  P.O. Box 1892
smcclure at rice.edu             |  Houston, TX 77251-1892



From jean at dancecentral.com.au  Thu Sep 16 17:18:22 2004
From: jean at dancecentral.com.au (jean at dancecentral.com.au)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:18:22 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] simple newsletter delivery
Message-ID: <01d701c49c00$678e7960$0100000a@Adele>

Hello, 

I have started to play with Mailman as I am planning on using it to send a weekly newsletter.

I actually want to keep it very simple and not give the people on the list the option to post anything... I just want to be able to send tem all one newsletter every week. I checked all of the options and couldn't figure out which options I should change in order to to that.
Could you point me in the right direction?

Thank you.

Jean-Luc Stora
Dance Central
Level 1 - 268 Cleveland St
Surry Hills 2010
Ph: 02 9319-2268
www.dancecentral.com.au

From mark at tanalianbiblecamp.org  Fri Sep 17 02:29:30 2004
From: mark at tanalianbiblecamp.org (Mark Mcgee)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:29:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership management
Message-ID: <003f01c49c4d$696db9b0$2102a8c0@MarksDesktop>

Hi,
 
I use the mailman script to mange three lists. The lists are only for
the moderator to post to, like a newsletter. I have not been able to see
how to manage subscribers easily. I want to associate a name with the
e-mail address but it appears that I would have to type each name
individually. Is this true?
 
Mark K. McGee
Director of follow-up and Outreach
Tanalian Bible Camp
521 Windmill Way
Port Alsworth, AK 99653
(907) 781-2246
mark at tanalianbiblecamp.org
www.tanalianbiblecamp.org
 


From cheryl at bpwebdesign.com  Fri Sep 17 23:11:07 2004
From: cheryl at bpwebdesign.com (Cheryl LaSalle)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:11:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Questions
Message-ID: <03f901c49cfa$d994a110$6701a8c0@ibm>



  a.. We are migrating from another list program to Mailman and adding members via Mass Subscription.  Is there any way to skip the Confirm step in this situation?  We don't want to "bother" the members with this step, as none of their current processes will be changing.  (We use an alias for posting.)

  b.. Is there any way to edit the content of the following messages, which we'd like to make some minor changes to:
    a.. Confirm message - other than adding text to the "additional text" box under Mass Subscription
    b.. Welcome message, other than updating welcome_msg
    c.. Digest, other than updating digest_header and digest_footer

  c.. Is there any way that the subject line of the confirm e-mail can be made "friendlier".  Seeing something like "confirm 82b57cdc0f01bb4c4954c6346583539ebee04502" in a subject line is daunting to an unsuspecting recipient of a Confirm e-mail via Mass Subscription.

  d.. Is there any way for the Moderator to be able to edit the content of a posting prior to approval?
Note that I am comfortable with HTML, and have already made some minor changes to the public HTML pages, so if the answer is that there are other HTML pages to modify, I'm fine with that.


Cheryl LaSalle
www.bpwebdesign.com
P: 707-585-2088 / F: 707-585-0958

Sign up for our newsletter to get the most out of your website:  http://www.bpwebdesign.com/resources.shtml



From kline at tao.thought.org  Mon Sep 20 21:35:56 2004
From: kline at tao.thought.org (Gary Kline)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:35:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gid problems or something else??
Message-ID: <20040920193556.GA70152@thought.org>


	Hi People,

	I spent most of the weekend trying to install Mailman;
	no-joy.  I got close late Saturday night when I received
	a "wwlist-request" from my Mailman server on 'sage.thought.org'.
	When I sent in the reply to "coonfirm" it bounced;  the
	return mail said there was no such user as "wwlist-request".

	This appears to be a gid problem.  Originally, I build things
	strictly out of the box.   I played around with the mailman
	binary; it said that I should rebuild the suite with
	'--with-mail-gid=wheel' rather than "mailnull".  I rebuilt and
	reinstalled.  No difference.  This morning I rebuilt my mailman
	port from scratch.  Here is the output from sendmail's 
	/var/mail/maillog:

Sep 20 11:49:39 sage Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error.  Mailman
expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailnull", but
the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "daemon".  Try
tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailnull", or re-run
configure,  providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=daemon'. 
Sep 20 11:49:39 sage sendmail[24478]: i8KInch0024476:
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner wwlist",
ctladdr=<wwlist-owner at sage.thought.org> (1/0), delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=139083, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer
error 2

	I'm trying to set up Mailman on my DNS server, ns1.thought.org,
	alias sage.thought.org.  This servr is running FreeBSD 5.2.1
	and sendmail.

	If re-running ./configure with the  option
	`--with-mail-gid=daemon', that would be the easiest fix.  
	Otherwise, any help to help me figure out what I'm doing
	wrong and how to fix it would be a mjor help++ !

	thanks,

	gary kline




-- 
   Gary Kline     kline at thought.org   www.thought.org     Public service Unix



From gary at gkgraphicdesigns.com  Tue Sep 21 04:55:09 2004
From: gary at gkgraphicdesigns.com (Gary Kaplan)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:55:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Probe Message Problem
Message-ID: <DMEMKOKLCGMMBAJLHFEBMEGNDPAA.gary@gkgraphicdesigns.com>

Untitled DocumentThe probe message that my list is sending out to members
who have had messages bounce list all the other users addresses who have had
bounces. How can I fix this.

Thanks'
-Gary
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary Kaplan
GK Graphic Designs
Web Design, Graphic Design, Photography
http://www.gkgraphicdesigns.com





From laue at ebus.informatik.uni-leipzig.de  Tue Sep 21 10:00:44 2004
From: laue at ebus.informatik.uni-leipzig.de (Ralf Laue)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:00:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages stuck in qfiles
Message-ID: <414FDFAC.9000902@ebus.informatik.uni-leipzig.de>

Hello,

It should help to patch the

/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py file, line 163, as follows:

        if (subject == None): subject = ''
        splitsubj = string.split(subject)


Ralf


mhurley wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------

Hey, I found some more info on my problem, but haven't cracked the case yet:

in ~mailman/logs/error, since Aug 31 qrunner has been choking as follows:
...
Aug 31 16:18:01 2004 qrunner(11238):      return s.split(sep, maxsplit)
Aug 31 16:18:01 2004 qrunner(11238): AttributeError :  'NoneType' object has
no attribute 'split' 






From eim at users.sourceforge.net  Tue Sep 21 11:38:24 2004
From: eim at users.sourceforge.net (Ivo Marino)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:38:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to access the member password database?
Message-ID: <1095759504.2850.7.camel@avalanche.lan.home>

Hello folks,

I am currently coding a password-check method in OO-PHP for phpNewsList
[1], this function should crypt a password provided by an user via form
and compare it with the user's mailing list password available on the
local filesystem where mailman resides.

In order to be able to do this I would like to know where the user
password databases for the various mailman mailing lists are stored on
the local file system. This way I could parse the db from PHP (web
server) level.

Thanks for feedback,

 I.

[1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpnewslist/

P.S. I am off-list so please Cc: me on each reply, thanks.

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         \L..'           ._O__)_  http://www.sourceforge.net/users/eim/
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From jtnelson at mail.el-camino.net  Tue Sep 21 19:49:50 2004
From: jtnelson at mail.el-camino.net (Jeff Nelson)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:49:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderation not working
Message-ID: <20040921174950.M58156@mail.el-camino.net>

Hi,
Well, I removed my Mailman 2.1.5 install and put in 2.0.13.  After getting
everything configured, I can subscribe users and Mailman sends out welcome
messages, but messages on a list set to be moderated still
disappear--actually, ALL messages to the list disappear now, even when
moderation is not set.  

According to the docs, 2.1.5 is supposed to *work* with Python 2.1.3, though
the later version is recommended.  I'm thinking that this wasn't the problem
after all.  :-{  

I will be most grateful for ideas.  If I can't get Mailman working within a
couple of days, I'm going to have to try some other list manager, like Sympa,
but I hate to do that because Mailman still has the best interface by far.  

Jeff

On Sep 20, 2004, at 1:44 AM, Jeff Nelson wrote:
> My MTA is Postfix 1.1.11-0, Python 2.1.3-3, OS Debian stable
> (woody)/kernel
> 2.2.20, on Compaq Proliant 1600 (PII) hardware.
>

I don't know if this is the cause of your problems, but IIRC, 2.1.5
requires Python 2.3 or later.

Dan

================================
Dan Phillips
Associate Professor of Horn, University of Memphis
site administrator: music.memphis.edu


From spfister at getcoactive.com  Wed Sep 22 00:16:44 2004
From: spfister at getcoactive.com (Steve Pfister)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:16:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't seem to get permissions straightened out
Message-ID: <01be01c4a028$adff9240$2adb51c6@og.coactive.net>

I'm using 2.1.4 under RedHat Linux 9. It seems to mostly work, but I seem to
have problems getting all the permissions straight for my /var/mailman
directory. If I run /var/mailman/bin/check_perms, no problem is found
(usually), but newly created files don't seem to have the correct
permissions. I'm running apache as user nobody, and sendmail is running the
mailman script as mailnull. There is a mailman user, from the RedHat
installation, but I've changed its uid to be the same as the mailnull user.

Is there anywhere that I can see an example directory/permissions stucture
from a working implementation?

Thanks!

--Steve




From dsumner at canada.com  Wed Sep 22 04:22:12 2004
From: dsumner at canada.com (David Sumner)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:22:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator's approvals
Message-ID: <200409212222120432.03D21A8A@smtp.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>

	I have set up a new list using mailman. In the send filter area I have
indicated that non-members messages are to be accepted and that works.
However, when members of the list submit to it their mail needs to be
approved. Can someone suggest what flag/indicator I have missed?

	Please respond directly to me since I am not on the discussion list.

David Sumner
416 494-9501




From tim at yingtong.co.uk  Wed Sep 22 22:14:57 2004
From: tim at yingtong.co.uk (Tim Walter)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:14:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maybe Slightly OT,
	Bounces with "host name loopup failure"
Message-ID: <4151DD41.3020403@yingtong.co.uk>

I suspect my mailman setup is stable and OK but a new problem has
developed and can't resolve it...

Mailman 2.1.3 running with sendmail on a raq4
mailman domain is emisnug.org.uk raq is raq****.uk2net.com
ISP is uk2.net

The list is running fine, mail to most people working OK to and fro etc

The problem exists for those people who use uk2net.net (i.e. the same
people the raq is hosted with for mail forwarding etc  They can post to
the list but not recieve anything

The transcript of the bounce messages are as follows

The original message was received at Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:40:57 +0100
from localhost [127.0.0.1]

    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<complists at domain1.com>
<emislist at domain2.com>

    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
<complists at domain1.com>... Deferred: Name server: ultra25.uk2net.net.:
host name lookup failure
<emislist at domain2.com>... Deferred: Name server: ultra19.uk2net.net.:
host name lookup failure
Message could not be delivered for 5 days
Message will be deleted from queue


Now that tells me that the problem is with uk2net.net and thier own MX
host names wont resolve

dig gives

Tims-Mac:~ TimWalter$ dig domain1.com MX

; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> domain1.com MX
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 46208
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 2

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;domain1.com.                    IN      MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
domain1.com.             86400   IN      MX      10 ultra25.uk2net.net.
domain1.com.             86400   IN      MX      0 ultra26.uk2net.net.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ultra26.uk2net.net.     74664   IN      A       212.4.208.126
ultra25.uk2net.net.     122018  IN      A       212.4.208.125

;; Query time: 310 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.0.10#53(192.168.0.10)
;; WHEN: Wed Sep 22 19:28:31 2004
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 118

Tims-Mac:~ TimWalter$ dig emisnug.org.uk MX

; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> emisnug.org.uk MX
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 30318
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;emisnug.org.uk.                        IN      MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
emisnug.org.uk.         86400   IN      MX      30 emisnug.org.uk.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
emisnug.org.uk.         86400   IN      A       213.239.46.179

;; Query time: 136 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.0.10#53(192.168.0.10)
;; WHEN: Wed Sep 22 19:29:58 2004
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 64

Tims-Mac:~ TimWalter$ dig raq****.uk2net.com MX

; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> raq****.uk2net.com MX
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 20740
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;raq****.uk2net.com.            IN      MX

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
uk2net.com.             10800   IN      SOA     ns1.uk2.net.
hostmaster.uk2net.com. 2004090902 1800 900 1209600 86400

;; Query time: 39 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.0.10#53(192.168.0.10)
;; WHEN: Wed Sep 22 19:30:36 2004
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 94


the ISP resolutely refuses to answer the phone etc! but what can I do in
the meantime, is it my prob or elsewhere etc.

Cheers

Tim



From lcmurdock at hrl.com  Thu Sep 23 00:51:43 2004
From: lcmurdock at hrl.com (Luis Murdock)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:51:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors During Make-Install
Message-ID: <415201FF.4010206@hrl.com>

    Hello,
    I am trying to install and run Mailman on Solaris 2.7 or SunOS 5.7
    and I'm getting the following fatal when running 'make install':

    Traceback (most recent call last):
      File "bin/update", line 50, in ?
        from Mailman import Utils
      File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ?
        import cgi
      File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/cgi.py", line 39, in ?
        import urllib
      File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
        import socket
      File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/socket.py", line 44, in ?
        import _socket
    ImportError: No module named _socket
    *** Error code 1
    make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `update'

    I have installed python2.3.3 and will use Apache 2.0.  Can anyone
    help with this error?


-- 
Luis C. Murdock-Systems Integration/Administration Specialist
HRL Laboratories LLC - Information Systems Sciences Laboratory (ISSL) 
3011 Malibu Canyon Road Malibu, Ca, 90265-Mail Stop RL96
(Tel) : 310-317-5650 (Fax) : 310-317-5695 Cell: 805-279-8970



From dwelch at mr3systems.com  Thu Sep 16 20:22:17 2004
From: dwelch at mr3systems.com (Danny Welch)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:22:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please Help!
Message-ID: <002901c49c1a$196e5380$6500a8c0@danny>

Hello,

I am a user of Mailman Mailing List through my webhosting provided by
Intermedia.net.  I need some help with my mailing list settings.  When I
first setup the private list I was sending messages in HTML format and they
would be delivered in HTML format.  Since then I have had a
virus/worm/hacker send a virus infected email through my mailing list, which
caused me to change the privacy settings and some other settings tying to
prevent the intrusion from happening again.  Now I can't seem to find out
how to change the delivery method back to HTML format.  Can you please help
me!  I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you,

Danny T. Welch
Corporate Administrator
(415) 947-1090 x106
(415) 730-7711 cell
(415) 947-1095 fax

http://www.mr3systems.com





From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Thu Sep 23 10:31:59 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:31:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie requesting basic how-to
In-Reply-To: <p06002000bd77b8ae00f8@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <PC1715200409212208330953f672c65a@msapiro> 
	<41511721.1050308@the-spa.com> <p06002016bd76d77737e2@[10.0.1.3]>
	<415138B6.6060407@the-spa.com> <p06002001bd76eb93ee96@[10.0.1.3]>
	<F9D4ABC17C41DD9411D16CD3@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
	<p06002000bd77b8ae00f8@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <DB0EC573D578430FDD2F63A7@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>



--On Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:29 am +0200 Brad Knowles 
<brad at stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote:

> At 5:08 PM +0100 2004-09-22, Ian Eiloart wrote:
>
>>  I think that what is called for is an installer package, using one of
>>  the various installer systems out there. Now, that would NOT entail
>>  creating an application, just writing some installer config files.
>
> 	The problem is that you have to do this across every platform we
> support.  Moreover, each platform will have their own concept of how
> Mailman should be packaged and installed, with their own tools, and this
> method would be in direct conflict with that.
>
> 	Moreover, you would then have to port that installer package along with
> you everywhere.
>
>>  That would get the software installed, but not configured. Still, that
>>  would make life easier for people installing the software.
>
> 	If you want that, use one of the packaged versions provided by your OS
> vendor.

I wasn't calling for it, just clarifying what the other person was asking 
for.

-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Thu Sep 23 10:44:18 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:44:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors During Make-Install
In-Reply-To: <415201FF.4010206@hrl.com>
References: <415201FF.4010206@hrl.com>
Message-ID: <C1C6211B-0D3C-11D9-BFDB-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

You probably have a problem with your Python installation.

_socket is part of the standard Python library providing support for 
the UNIX/BSD socket interface. Unless and until you can run python from 
the command line and enter the command "import socket" without getting 
an exception raised then there is no point in trying to do the Mailman 
install. You may need to re-install Python.

For instance, the following shows the socket module is installed 
properly (no exccption raised by the import):

[machine!/home/barrett]:python
Python 2.3.3 (#1, May 11 2004, 13:30:18)
[GCC 3.3.2] on sunos5
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
 >>> import socket
 >>> import sys
 >>> sys.exit()
[machine!/home/barrett]:

On 22 Sep 2004, at 23:51, Luis Murdock wrote:

>    Hello,
>    I am trying to install and run Mailman on Solaris 2.7 or SunOS 5.7
>    and I'm getting the following fatal when running 'make install':
>
>    Traceback (most recent call last):
>      File "bin/update", line 50, in ?
>        from Mailman import Utils
>      File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ?
>        import cgi
>      File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/cgi.py", line 39, in ?
>        import urllib
>      File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
>        import socket
>      File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/socket.py", line 44, in ?
>        import _socket
>    ImportError: No module named _socket
>    *** Error code 1
>    make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `update'
>
>    I have installed python2.3.3 and will use Apache 2.0.  Can anyone
>    help with this error?
>
>
> -- 
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> HRL Laboratories LLC - Information Systems Sciences Laboratory (ISSL) 
> 3011 Malibu Canyon Road Malibu, Ca, 90265-Mail Stop RL96
> (Tel) : 310-317-5650 (Fax) : 310-317-5695 Cell: 805-279-8970
>
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> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 23 11:25:28 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:25:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Documentation -Is this all there is?
In-Reply-To: <4149AD02.4000009@rice.edu>
References: <4149AD02.4000009@rice.edu>
Message-ID: <p06002007bd7846392d7d@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:10 AM -0500 2004-09-16, Susan McClure wrote:

>  Our mailman admin who set things up has left, and I am trying to come up
>  to speed.  Am I missing some key, basic, sys-admin type 
>"Administration Guide"
>  for Mailman?  I found all the stuff at  http://www.list.org/  but the Sys
>  Admin stuff is only about the command line scripts.

	The documentation for Mailman is provided in the source tarball 
or linked under <http://www.list.org/docs.html>.  That's all there is.

	If you don't have the source tarball or know where that 
information can be found on your system, you can use the SourceForge 
CVSweb interface at 
<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/>.  Look under 
doc/ and the README files.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 23 11:26:21 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:26:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] simple newsletter delivery
In-Reply-To: <01d701c49c00$678e7960$0100000a@Adele>
References: <01d701c49c00$678e7960$0100000a@Adele>
Message-ID: <p06002008bd78471360b0@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:18 AM +1000 2004-09-17, <jean at dancecentral.com.au> wrote:

>  I actually want to keep it very simple and not give the people on the list
>  the option to post anything... I just want to be able to send tem all one
>  newsletter every week. I checked all of the options and couldn't figure
>  out which options I should change in order to to that.

	Try visiting the FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and search for 
"announcement" or "one-way".

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 23 11:41:21 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:41:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please Help!
In-Reply-To: <002901c49c1a$196e5380$6500a8c0@danny>
References: <002901c49c1a$196e5380$6500a8c0@danny>
Message-ID: <p06002009bd7847f19490@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:22 AM -0700 2004-09-16, Danny Welch wrote:

>                                               Now I can't seem to find out
>  how to change the delivery method back to HTML format.  Can you please help
>  me!  I would greatly appreciate it.

	Mailman gives you to option of converting HTML-formatted messages 
to ASCII text, and it gives you the ability to either strip specific 
attachment types you don't want or to only allow certain specific 
certain attachment types through.


	Go to the "Content Filtering" page for your list.  If you have 
enabled content filtering, there are two blocks of fields which can 
be filled in.  The first block is for removing attachments of a 
specific type.  The second block is for removing all attachments 
which are not of this type.  One or the other of these blocks will 
have had some information filled in -- by default, that is the latter 
block.

	If the latter block is filled in for you, then make sure that 
"text/html" is included in this list.  If the first block is filled 
in, then make sure that "text/html" is *NOT* included.

	Then, you need to make sure that the radio button for "convert 
text/html to text" is turned off.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 23 11:43:58 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:43:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership management
In-Reply-To: <003f01c49c4d$696db9b0$2102a8c0@MarksDesktop>
References: <003f01c49c4d$696db9b0$2102a8c0@MarksDesktop>
Message-ID: <p0600200abd784acb3f8f@[10.0.1.3]>

At 4:29 PM -0800 2004-09-16, Mark Mcgee wrote:

>  I use the mailman script to mange three lists. The lists are only for
>  the moderator to post to, like a newsletter. I have not been able to see
>  how to manage subscribers easily. I want to associate a name with the
>  e-mail address but it appears that I would have to type each name
>  individually. Is this true?

	When you do the "mass subscription", you can include real names. 
Go to the FAQ Wizard at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> 
and search for "mass subscribe".

	If the addresses are all subscribed to your lists already, then 
you will have to handle each one manually.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 23 11:52:39 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:52:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Questions
In-Reply-To: <03f901c49cfa$d994a110$6701a8c0@ibm>
References: <03f901c49cfa$d994a110$6701a8c0@ibm>
Message-ID: <p0600200bbd784b6d65ab@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:11 PM -0700 2004-09-17, Cheryl LaSalle wrote:

>    a.. We are migrating from another list program to Mailman and adding
>  members via Mass Subscription.  Is there any way to skip the Confirm step
>  in this situation?

	Sure.  Go to the "Privacy options..." page for your list and turn 
off the "confirm" radio buttons while mass subscribing, then turn 
them back on afterwards.

>    b.. Is there any way to edit the content of the following messages,
>  which we'd like to make some minor changes to:
>      a.. Confirm message - other than adding text to the "additional text"
>          box under Mass Subscription
>      b.. Welcome message, other than updating welcome_msg
>      c.. Digest, other than updating digest_header and digest_footer

	So far as I know, your only customization options are to change 
these or to change the templates, unless you want to make changes to 
the source code.

	If you want to see the limits of what Mailman can do with 
customization of outgoing messages, see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.037.htp>. 
If you want to see the limits of what you can do to customize the 
look and feel of the Mailman web interface, see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.040.htp>.

>    c.. Is there any way that the subject line of the confirm e-mail can be
>  made "friendlier".  Seeing something like "confirm
>  82b57cdc0f01bb4c4954c6346583539ebee04502" in a subject line is daunting
>  to an unsuspecting recipient of a Confirm e-mail via Mass Subscription.

	Not without changing the source code, no.

>    d.. Is there any way for the Moderator to be able to edit the content
>        of a posting prior to approval?

	Not that I know of, no.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 23 11:53:40 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:53:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gid problems or something else??
In-Reply-To: <20040920193556.GA70152@thought.org>
References: <20040920193556.GA70152@thought.org>
Message-ID: <p0600200cbd784d77dfef@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:35 PM -0700 2004-09-20, Gary Kline wrote:

>  	If re-running ./configure with the  option
>  	`--with-mail-gid=daemon', that would be the easiest fix.

	You are correct -- this is most likely to be the easiest fix.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 23 11:55:09 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:55:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Probe Message Problem
In-Reply-To: <DMEMKOKLCGMMBAJLHFEBMEGNDPAA.gary@gkgraphicdesigns.com>
References: <DMEMKOKLCGMMBAJLHFEBMEGNDPAA.gary@gkgraphicdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200dbd784db5ee79@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:55 PM -0400 2004-09-20, Gary Kaplan wrote:

>  Untitled DocumentThe probe message that my list is sending out to members
>  who have had messages bounce list all the other users addresses who have had
>  bounces. How can I fix this.

	Could you give us some more details as to precisely what your 
problem is, so that we have some idea of what you want fixed?

	As a starting point, please see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.022.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 23 11:56:57 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:56:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to access the member password
 database?
In-Reply-To: <1095759504.2850.7.camel@avalanche.lan.home>
References: <1095759504.2850.7.camel@avalanche.lan.home>
Message-ID: <p0600200ebd784e110404@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:38 AM +0200 2004-09-21, Ivo Marino wrote:

>  In order to be able to do this I would like to know where the user
>  password databases for the various mailman mailing lists are stored on
>  the local file system. This way I could parse the db from PHP (web
>  server) level.

	I don't think it's stored within the filesystem per se.  I think 
it's stored in a Python "pickle" which contains the list and user 
configuration.  To know how to parse that, you'd have to read the 
relevant Python code which creates and uses that data structure.

	In that case, you're more likely to get a useful answer if you 
take this matter over to the mailman-developers list.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 23 11:57:48 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:57:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderation not working
In-Reply-To: <20040921174950.M58156@mail.el-camino.net>
References: <20040921174950.M58156@mail.el-camino.net>
Message-ID: <p0600200fbd784e6f1a2a@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:49 AM -0700 2004-09-21, Jeff Nelson wrote:

>  According to the docs, 2.1.5 is supposed to *work* with Python 2.1.3, though
>  the later version is recommended.  I'm thinking that this wasn't the problem
>  after all.  :-{

	Python 2.3 is actually required for Mailman 2.1.5.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.008.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 23 12:04:01 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:04:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator's approvals
In-Reply-To: <200409212222120432.03D21A8A@smtp.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>
References: <200409212222120432.03D21A8A@smtp.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>
Message-ID: <p06002011bd784f1d42de@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:22 PM -0400 2004-09-21, David Sumner wrote:

>  	I have set up a new list using mailman. In the send filter area I have
>  indicated that non-members messages are to be accepted and that works.
>  However, when members of the list submit to it their mail needs to be
>  approved. Can someone suggest what flag/indicator I have missed?

	Go to the "Privacy options..." page for your list.  Now, go down 
to the "Sender filters" sub-page.

	If you want all subscribers to be able to post without 
moderation, then you probably want to make the first radio button on 
this page to "No".  If this is set to "Yes", then by default all new 
subscribers will be moderated until you manually clear their 
moderation bit in the "Membership Management..." section.

	Then, you want to make sure that you have the right settings 
configured for "Action to take when a moderated member posts to the 
list" and "Action to take for postings from non-members for which no 
explicit action is defined".


	Of course, you'll need to make sure that the moderation bits are 
set correctly for the subscribers in the "Membership Management..." 
section.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 23 12:05:17 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:05:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maybe Slightly OT, 	Bounces with
	"host name loopup failure"
In-Reply-To: <4151DD41.3020403@yingtong.co.uk>
References: <4151DD41.3020403@yingtong.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06002012bd78503e8684@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:14 PM +0100 2004-09-22, Tim Walter wrote:

>  the ISP resolutely refuses to answer the phone etc! but what can I do in
>  the meantime, is it my prob or elsewhere etc.

	This seems to be a problem with the ISP.  If they won't answer 
the phone, I don't think there's much you can do to solve it.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 23 11:59:03 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:59:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't seem to get permissions
 straightened out
In-Reply-To: <01be01c4a028$adff9240$2adb51c6@og.coactive.net>
References: <01be01c4a028$adff9240$2adb51c6@og.coactive.net>
Message-ID: <p06002010bd784eb0294e@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:16 PM -0400 2004-09-21, Steve Pfister wrote:

>               I'm running apache as user nobody, and sendmail is running the
>  mailman script as mailnull. There is a mailman user, from the RedHat
>  installation, but I've changed its uid to be the same as the mailnull user.

	Therein lies the problem.  You need all three of these UIDs to 
match.  Sendmail needs to run the Mailman script as the same UID as 
the Mailman user, which needs to run as the same UID as apache.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From nikos at qbit.gr  Thu Sep 23 15:09:31 2004
From: nikos at qbit.gr (nikos)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:09:31 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject message
Message-ID: <003e01c4a16e$9114caf0$0400a8c0@nikos>

Hello list

Does anybody know how to change the reject messages for nonlist users or
list users?

Thank you
Nikos



From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Thu Sep 23 16:46:44 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:46:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts being moderated when they shouldn't
Message-ID: <ciunki$tqd$1@sea.gmane.org>

I have done everything I can think of to get these messages to go 
through without requiring moderator approval, but I am obviously missing 
something.  What is "implicit destination" and how do I get it to just 
process the message?



As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
following mailing list posting:

    List:    listname at physics.tamu.edu
    From:    reception at physics.tamu.edu
    Subject: [Announce] Physics Colloquium 9-29-04
    Reason:  Message has implicit destination


--?

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Chris Barnes                           AOL IM: CNBarnes
chris-barnes at tamu.edu                Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes 





From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Thu Sep 23 16:52:47 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:52:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Newbie requesting basic how-to
References: <PC1715200409212208330953f672c65a@msapiro><41511721.1050308@the-spa.com>
	<p06002016bd76d77737e2@[10.0.1.3]> <415138B6.6060407@the-spa.com>
Message-ID: <ciunvs$v0c$1@sea.gmane.org>

Jon Roland <jon.roland at the-spa.com> wrote:
> Of course not. Just a simple GUI front end for installing and setting
> up a Mailman site, that would incorporate expert knowledge about
> various environments so that the user doesn't have to struggle with
> manually editing configuration files, finding needed program files,
> launching web servers and mailman daemons, establishing interfaces
> with the MTA, etc. Same kind of thing we do with all kinds of popular
> apps. But if you're running Suse 9.1 on a 400 MHz Pentium III with
> only 128MG of RAM, you don't want to run unnecessary background
> processes, like a web server, when all it is needed for is to set up
> a list locally. Remotely, sure. Using a web browser for that for a
> short time makes sense. But a lot of people have to do things on old,
> underpowered laptops.

Quite frankly, "old underpowered laptops" shouldn't be used as server 
machines (running a MLM is a server application, even if it is one that 
doesn't consume many resources).



> If Linux is going to displace MS Windows, major apps are going to
> have to enable users to use their tools without ever having to see
> the CLI. Point and click.

Windows is a much bigger background app than apache...



--?

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Chris Barnes                           AOL IM: CNBarnes
chris-barnes at tamu.edu                Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes





From rufranco at utep.edu  Thu Sep 23 17:16:55 2004
From: rufranco at utep.edu (Franco, Ruben)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:16:55 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages from "checkdbs"  cron job
Message-ID: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650D71@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>

	I ran "check_db -a -v" but none of the config.db or config.pck files were found to be corrupted.  A few were missing for the newer lists but the help for "check_db" says that is nothing to worry about.

Ruben


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Tittsler [mailto:jwt at onjapan.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:15 AM
To: Franco, Ruben
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] messages from "checkdbs" cron job


On Sep 22, 2004, at 02:12, Franco, Ruben wrote:

> 	I recently installed Mailman 2.1.5 and have loaded up the mailman 
> crons that came with the install.  I have noticed the following 
> messages everday when the "checkdbs" cron runs and I was wondering 
> what the message meant.  Is something wrong with my configuration or 
> is there a problem with a list on my system?
>

> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 178, in ?
> [...]
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 130, in 
> __getmsgids
>     ids = [k for k, (op, data) in self.__db.items() if op == rtype]
> ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size

It looks like there is a problem with the request.pck database of at 
least one of your lists.  You can use the bin/check_db tool to help 
narrow down which one.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From jon.roland at the-spa.com  Thu Sep 23 17:39:11 2004
From: jon.roland at the-spa.com (Jon Roland)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:39:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Newbie requesting basic how-to
In-Reply-To: <ciunvs$v0c$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <PC1715200409212208330953f672c65a@msapiro><41511721.1050308@the-spa.com>	<p06002016bd76d77737e2@[10.0.1.3]>
	<415138B6.6060407@the-spa.com> <ciunvs$v0c$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4152EE1F.8040002@the-spa.com>

Chris Barnes wrote:
> Quite frankly, "old underpowered laptops" shouldn't be used as server 
> machines (running a MLM is a server application, even if it is one that 
> doesn't consume many resources).

In production mode, where the machine is serving visitors from the Internet, no,
but for development and learning how to set one up, a lot of people have to make
use of more limited hardware. Not all of us have the luxury of being able to
develop on, or learn on, production machines.

-- Jon

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From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Thu Sep 23 17:55:10 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:55:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Re: Newbie requesting basic how-to
References: <PC1715200409212208330953f672c65a@msapiro><41511721.1050308@the-spa.com>	<p06002016bd76d77737e2@[10.0.1.3]><415138B6.6060407@the-spa.com>
	<ciunvs$v0c$1@sea.gmane.org> <4152EE1F.8040002@the-spa.com>
Message-ID: <ciurkr$b8v$1@sea.gmane.org>

Jon Roland <jon.roland at the-spa.com> wrote:
> Chris Barnes wrote:
>> Quite frankly, "old underpowered laptops" shouldn't be used as server
>> machines (running a MLM is a server application, even if it is one
>> that doesn't consume many resources).
>
> In production mode, where the machine is serving visitors from the
> Internet, no, but for development and learning how to set one up, a
> lot of people have to make use of more limited hardware. Not all of
> us have the luxury of being able to develop on, or learn on,
> production machines.



http://www.vmware.com/products/server/gsx_features.html

Wonderful tool for setting up virtual servers (such as development) on 
existing server class machines.

--?

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Chris Barnes                           AOL IM: CNBarnes
chris-barnes at tamu.edu                Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes





From kline at tao.thought.org  Thu Sep 23 19:09:26 2004
From: kline at tao.thought.org (Gary Kline)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:09:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gid problems or something else??
In-Reply-To: <p0600200cbd784d77dfef@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <20040920193556.GA70152@thought.org>
	<p0600200cbd784d77dfef@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <20040923170926.GA99472@thought.org>

On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 11:53:40AM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 12:35 PM -0700 2004-09-20, Gary Kline wrote:
> 
> > 	If re-running ./configure with the  option
> > 	`--with-mail-gid=daemon', that would be the easiest fix.
> 
> 	You are correct -- this is most likely to be the easiest fix.
> 
	This did resolve the problem, thank you.  (The FreeBSD
	port needs to be changed, perhaps, at least for V5.*
	to set the gid=daemon rather than mailnull... .)

	Anyway, before I set my list free upon my group, I have
	another question.  After I got mail flowing from sage.thought.org
	to <wherever>, test messages went to the administrator {me}
	for approval.  Havng me approve/deny list subscribers can
	be useful, but for my purposes, I'd much rather let my users
	automagically subscribe, unsubscribe, change their addresses,
	and so forth _without_ my having to interviene.  What knobs
	do I turnto have my private list be open to all suscribers?  
	(I don't remember telling Mailman that I had to be asked to 
	approve subscribers in order for them to join.  [I may have 
	clicked somewhere unintentionally].)

	thanks for any insights,

	gary


> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
> 
> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
> 
>     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
>     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755
> 
>   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.

-- 
   Gary Kline     kline at thought.org   www.thought.org     Public service Unix



From andy.morris at mbproduction.com  Thu Sep 23 20:13:20 2004
From: andy.morris at mbproduction.com (Andy Morris)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:13:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] requests for consideration?
Message-ID: <41531240.80506@mbproduction.com>

Just set up my lists last night and this morning i got emails from each 
list with this information.  I go to the site and nothing is there for 
my approval?  What is this?



The "ListsName at my.server.com" mailing list has -1 request(s)
waiting for your consideration at:

Thanks,
Andy


From fredimac at fredimac.com  Thu Sep 23 20:22:48 2004
From: fredimac at fredimac.com (Fred Macondray)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:22:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Woes
Message-ID: <200409231822.i8NIMnu06322@fredimac.com>

Greetings,

I've got an active list (therefore can't really test things anymore) and
I've got a couple problems.

One:

When people reply to postings, the reply goes to both an explicit email
(info at domain.com) and to the list posting address (name-list at domain.com).

and Two:

Messages sent to the list are not being rejected.  Someone replied to the
last announcement and it went to everyone.  This should be an announcement
only list.

How can I ensure that ONLY the following can happen?

1)  ONLY the explicit reply to address is included in the announcements.

2) ONLY a few authorized addresses can send to the list?

Huge Thanks in Advance,

Fred


From Naturalpistol101 at aol.com  Thu Sep 23 20:30:27 2004
From: Naturalpistol101 at aol.com (Naturalpistol101 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:30:27 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 7, Issue 61
Message-ID: <89.15f27d75.2e847043@aol.com>

sorry  i cannot open MIM  files


From judypetersen at comcast.net  Thu Sep 23 20:34:54 2004
From: judypetersen at comcast.net (Judy Petersen)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:34:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mime used in digest
In-Reply-To: <200409231822.i8NIMnu06322@fredimac.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBJNMJILLGJCEPBPJNMEICFIAA.judypetersen@comcast.net>

It appears that two of our list members are suddenly receiving their digests
in MIME format. I read a message about it that suggested AOL was doing this
and the user has an AOL address so I referred her. Seems AOL says they don't
cause any changes to these emails (what I expected them to say).

Anyway, is anyone familiar with this, what the problem is and the solution?

Judy Petersen
"Blessed are the young, for they will inherit the national debt." Herbert
Clark Hoover (1874-1964), 31st US President



From dana at rasmussen.us  Thu Sep 23 21:00:10 2004
From: dana at rasmussen.us (Dana Rasmussen)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:00:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation question
Message-ID: <41531D3A.3000000@rasmussen.us>

Hello,

My organization has contracted with a consultant for computer server resources.  The consultant in turn, is contracting with the actual provider of computer hardware and communication resources.  Our consultant does not have Root access on the server.

Is it absolutely necessary to have root access to install Mailman?

Do we have any other options to ensure a successfull installation?

Thank you,

Dana




From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Thu Sep 23 21:03:33 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:03:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Help on privacy options !?!
References: <200409191537.i8JFbl22026068@smtp10.hccnet.nl>
	<p06002000bd73cb7e69a6@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <civ6m3$dtn$1@sea.gmane.org>

Brad Knowles <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote:
>>  So I was wondering if you can tell Mailman to automatically except
>>  mail from non-list members, but who are listmembers from the other
>>  2 lists, in the Privacy section. Of course non-list members who are
>>  not member of any of the other 2 lists should not be able to post.
>
> If this is a feature you'd like to add, please note that Mailman
> is an Open Source project, and your patches/code would be welcomed.
> Please use the SourceForge interface for uploading patches, filing
> bugs, etc....

Is there a running "wish list" of features for those of us who aren't 
programmers?


-- 

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Chris Barnes                           AOL IM: CNBarnes
chris-barnes at tamu.edu                Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes





From vlado at ditex.mprint.sk  Thu Sep 23 21:34:57 2004
From: vlado at ditex.mprint.sk (vlado)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:34:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] low level smtp error
Message-ID: <200409231934.i8NJYuw01738@zero.rainside.sk>

Dear friends

I know this topic was already talked on this list but i checked the archive
and did not find the right answer for my problem. I'm running mailman on
Fedora C2 with apache web server. The web works fine. I was able to create
list. After installation i created the mailman list.

When i tried to submit new address it seams that the answer disappeared. I
found no error logs in SMTP so it went well through alliases. I found this
problem in smtp-failure

Sep 23 21:22:41 2004 (754) delivery to vladimir.fecko at mprint.sk failed with
code -1: (111, 'Connection refused')
Sep 23 21:22:41 2004 (754) Low level smtp error: (111, 'Connection
refused'), msgid: <mailman.0.1095966791.623.tenvors_members at mprint.sk>

I di not recieved any mails from mailman about confirmation etc. I
configured the mailman according the page:
http://www.whoopis.com/howtos/mailman-howto.html

Can somebody help me please.

Vlado Fecko



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep 24 03:10:43 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:10:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject message
In-Reply-To: <003e01c4a16e$9114caf0$0400a8c0@nikos>
References: <003e01c4a16e$9114caf0$0400a8c0@nikos>
Message-ID: <p06002008bd79243e3690@[10.0.1.3]>

At 4:09 PM +0300 2004-09-23, nikos wrote:

>  Does anybody know how to change the reject messages for nonlist users or
>  list users?

	As the list moderator, when you decide to reject a given request, 
you can provide text to explain your decision.  Alternatively, you 
can edit the appropriate "refuse.txt" template for the language(s) 
for your list, if you want the same text to be sent out with every 
rejection notice.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep 24 03:14:23 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:14:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts being moderated when they
 shouldn't
In-Reply-To: <ciunki$tqd$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <ciunki$tqd$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <p06002009bd7924a84f9a@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:46 AM -0500 2004-09-23, Chris Barnes wrote:

>  I have done everything I can think of to get these messages to go
>  through without requiring moderator approval, but I am obviously missing
>  something.  What is "implicit destination" and how do I get it to just
>  process the message?

	Implicit destination just means that someone sent a copy of the 
message with the list as a blind-carbon-copy recipient.  Since 
Mailman can't find the name of the list anywhere on the "To:" or 
"Cc:" header lines, it figures that this message is probably spam and 
hands it off to the moderator.


	If you want to allow this kind of dangerous behaviour, then using 
the web admin interface for the list in question, under the "Privacy 
options..." section, go down to "Recipient filters", and change the 
first radio button to "No".  This radio button is labeled:

		Must posts have list named in destination (to, cc) field
		(or be among the acceptable alias names, specified below)?

	And should have a link to a small page describing just what this 
option is for.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep 24 03:20:40 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:20:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Newbie requesting basic how-to
In-Reply-To: <ciunvs$v0c$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <PC1715200409212208330953f672c65a@msapiro><41511721.1050308@the-sp
	a.com>	<p06002016bd76d77737e2@[10.0.1.3]>
	<415138B6.6060407@the-spa.com> <ciunvs$v0c$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <p0600200abd7925788032@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:52 AM -0500 2004-09-23, Chris Barnes wrote:

>  Quite frankly, "old underpowered laptops" shouldn't be used as server
>  machines (running a MLM is a server application, even if it is one that
>  doesn't consume many resources).

	Actually, I do that kind of thing myself.  See 
<http://www.shub-internet.org/brad/papers/dnscomparison/> and 
<http://www.shub-internet.org/brad/papers/mtacomparison/>.  For both 
talks, one of my key testbed machines was an old Compaq Armada 4131T 
laptop with a 133MHz Pentium processor (F00F bug intact), 48MB of 
RAM, 10GB hard disk, running FreeBSD 4.6.2-REL.  This machine is 
still my primary server in the house, although I've got lots of other 
boxes I've acquired since then that I need to install and configure.

	This machine has a BIND caching nameserver (I used it to test out 
the latest BIND 9 code), an NTP time server (I use it to test out the 
latest ntpd code), as well as a full squid web proxy cache server. 
But I would never be so silly as to consider running any kind of a 
GUI on it.

	It's a server that sits on a table in a corner and runs without 
maintenance or intervention, and has 322 days of uptime.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep 24 03:24:15 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:24:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Newbie requesting basic how-to
In-Reply-To: <4152EE1F.8040002@the-spa.com>
References: <PC1715200409212208330953f672c65a@msapiro><41511721.1050308@the-sp
	a.com>	<p06002016bd76d77737e2@[10.0.1.3]>
	<415138B6.6060407@the-spa.com> <ciunvs$v0c$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<4152EE1F.8040002@the-spa.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200bbd7926fbdadf@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:39 AM -0500 2004-09-23, Jon Roland wrote:

>  In production mode, where the machine is serving visitors from the
>  Internet, no, but for development and learning how to set one up, a
>  lot of people have to make use of more limited hardware. Not all of
>  us have the luxury of being able to develop on, or learn on,
>  production machines.

	Which is fine.  But don't expect to run a GUI on such an ancient 
machine.  Use them in text mode only, and you're fine.  But a GUI 
would kill them faster than anything else you could possibly do.

	And don't expect us to create a nice little GUI for you, which we 
would then have to port to all the various platforms we support.


	We leave the GUI stuff to the people who develop the package 
versions of programs like Mailman, because at least they've got a 
single stable target platform, and they've got the best chance of 
being able to make something like that work in a way that will be 
consistent across applications for their userbase.

	Anybody who needs that much hand-holding would be very poorly 
served by trying to use a GUI that was created by anyone else.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep 24 03:26:02 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:26:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] requests for consideration?
In-Reply-To: <41531240.80506@mbproduction.com>
References: <41531240.80506@mbproduction.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200cbd7928111c37@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:13 PM -0400 2004-09-23, Andy Morris wrote:

>  Just set up my lists last night and this morning i got emails from
>  each list with this information.  I go to the site and nothing is there
>  for my approval?  What is this?

	Go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and search for "-1 
requests".

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep 24 03:29:37 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:29:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Woes
In-Reply-To: <200409231822.i8NIMnu06322@fredimac.com>
References: <200409231822.i8NIMnu06322@fredimac.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200dbd792841275b@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:22 AM -0700 2004-09-23, Fred Macondray wrote:

>  1)  ONLY the explicit reply to address is included in the announcements.

	Setting a list "Reply-to:" header is usually a bad idea.  See 
<http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html>.

	As for making the list announce-only, go to the Mailman FAQ 
Wizard at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and search for 
"one-way".

>  2) ONLY a few authorized addresses can send to the list?

	In the web admin interface for your list, go to the "Privacy 
options..." section, then down to "Sender filters".  Partway down on 
the page there is a field with the description:

		List of non-member addresses whose postings should be
		automatically accepted.

	This also has a link to a page with a brief description of this option.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep 24 03:31:37 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:31:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation question
In-Reply-To: <41531D3A.3000000@rasmussen.us>
References: <41531D3A.3000000@rasmussen.us>
Message-ID: <p0600200ebd7929255ce4@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:00 PM -0700 2004-09-23, Dana Rasmussen wrote:

>  Is it absolutely necessary to have root access to install Mailman?

	Pretty much.

>  Do we have any other options to ensure a successfull installation?

	Contract out the computer resources to a place that will provide 
Mailman services via software they've already installed for you, get 
the provider to install the software for you, or go to a place that 
lets you have root access on your own virtual server.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep 24 03:34:54 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:34:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Help on privacy options !?!
In-Reply-To: <civ6m3$dtn$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <200409191537.i8JFbl22026068@smtp10.hccnet.nl>
	<p06002000bd73cb7e69a6@[10.0.1.3]> <civ6m3$dtn$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <p06002010bd792a2f9b09@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:03 PM -0500 2004-09-23, Chris Barnes wrote:

>  Is there a running "wish list" of features for those of us who aren't
>  programmers?

	Yes.  See <http://www.list.org/todo.html>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep 24 03:33:16 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:33:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] low level smtp error
In-Reply-To: <200409231934.i8NJYuw01738@zero.rainside.sk>
References: <200409231934.i8NJYuw01738@zero.rainside.sk>
Message-ID: <p0600200fbd79299476db@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:34 PM +0200 2004-09-23, vlado wrote:

>  Sep 23 21:22:41 2004 (754) delivery to vladimir.fecko at mprint.sk failed with
>  code -1: (111, 'Connection refused')
>  Sep 23 21:22:41 2004 (754) Low level smtp error: (111, 'Connection
>  refused'), msgid: <mailman.0.1095966791.623.tenvors_members at mprint.sk>

	This looks like an MTA problem -- the machine refused your 
connection.  Make sure your MTA is configured properly.  For further 
help on this matter, you should make use of the resources provided 
for you with your OS, or those resources that are specific to your 
MTA -- this is not a problem with Mailman.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From h at mosc.com  Fri Sep 24 03:45:09 2004
From: h at mosc.com (Howard Moscovitz)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:45:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] topic regep exclude
Message-ID: <41537C25.9090303@mosc.com>

In the topic definition form, how can one specify a topic that is only 
messages that DOES NOT have the string [G2] in it.

Is there a way to test regeps without setting up a separte test list?

Thanks much...
Howard



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Fri Sep 24 03:54:53 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:54:53 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Help on privacy options !?!
In-Reply-To: <p06002010bd792a2f9b09@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <200409191537.i8JFbl22026068@smtp10.hccnet.nl>	<p06002000bd73cb7e69a6@[10.0.1.3]>
	<civ6m3$dtn$1@sea.gmane.org> <p06002010bd792a2f9b09@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <41537E6D.3080207@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Brad Knowles wrote:

 > At 2:03 PM -0500 2004-09-23, Chris Barnes wrote:
 >
 >>  Is there a running "wish list" of features for those of us who aren't
 >>  programmers?
 >
 >
 >     Yes.  See <http://www.list.org/todo.html>.
 >

And, here is where you can post your feature request.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=350103

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/



From jwt at OnJapan.net  Fri Sep 24 03:57:22 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:57:22 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gid problems or something else??
In-Reply-To: <20040923170926.GA99472@thought.org>
References: <20040920193556.GA70152@thought.org>
	<p0600200cbd784d77dfef@[10.0.1.3]>
	<20040923170926.GA99472@thought.org>
Message-ID: <20040924015721.GC24282@server.onjapan.net>

On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 10:09:26AM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> 	for approval.  Havng me approve/deny list subscribers can
> 	be useful, but for my purposes, I'd much rather let my users
> 	automagically subscribe, unsubscribe, change their addresses,
> 	and so forth _without_ my having to interviene.  What knobs
> 	do I turnto have my private list be open to all suscribers?  

Make sure that on the Privacy... Subscription Rules page you
have set "What steps are required for subscription?" to
"Confirm". (The other two settings reequire moderator
approval).  And set "Is the list moderator's approval required
for unsubscription requests?" to "No."

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From jwt at OnJapan.net  Fri Sep 24 04:25:02 2004
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:25:02 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help on privacy options !?!
In-Reply-To: <civ6m3$dtn$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<200409191537.i8JFbl22026068@smtp10.hccnet.nl>
References: <200409191537.i8JFbl22026068@smtp10.hccnet.nl>
	<p06002000bd73cb7e69a6@[10.0.1.3]> <civ6m3$dtn$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<200409191537.i8JFbl22026068@smtp10.hccnet.nl>
Message-ID: <20040924022502.GD24282@server.onjapan.net>

On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 05:37:47PM +0200, m.aalbregt at hccnet.nl wrote:
> So I was wondering if you can tell Mailman to automatically
> except mail from non-list members, but who are listmembers
> from the other 2 lists, in the Privacy section. Of course
> non-list members who are not member of any of the other 2
> lists should not be able to post.

If you are willing to experiment, I've made a patch available
that adds this capability.  You can specify '@listb' in the
'accept_these_nonmembers' field of lista to allow members of
listb to post to lista.  (A leading '@' is taken to introduce
a second list's name.  Avoid making lista depend on listb and
at the same time listb depend on lista.)

This has been very lightly tested on a low volume server over
the past couple of days, but it hasn't broken in an obvious way
yet.  You are welcome to try it and report problems (or
successes).

  http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#listinclusion
  http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/listinclusion.diff

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From Naturalpistol101 at aol.com  Fri Sep 24 04:33:51 2004
From: Naturalpistol101 at aol.com (Naturalpistol101 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:33:51 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 7, Issue 62
Message-ID: <111.3832f018.2e84e18f@aol.com>

sorry i am unable to open  MIM files


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 24 06:08:18 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:08:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please Help!
In-Reply-To: <p06002009bd7847f19490@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <PC1715200409232108180921e5f8ba8b@msapiro>

Brad Knowles wrote:

>At 11:22 AM -0700 2004-09-16, Danny Welch wrote:
>
>>                                               Now I can't seem to find out
>>  how to change the delivery method back to HTML format.  Can you please help
>>  me!  I would greatly appreciate it.
>
>	Mailman gives you to option of converting HTML-formatted messages 
>to ASCII text, and it gives you the ability to either strip specific 
>attachment types you don't want or to only allow certain specific 
>certain attachment types through.
>
>
>	Go to the "Content Filtering" page for your list.  If you have 
>enabled content filtering, there are two blocks of fields which can 
>be filled in.  The first block is for removing attachments of a 
>specific type.  The second block is for removing all attachments 
>which are not of this type.  One or the other of these blocks will 
>have had some information filled in -- by default, that is the latter 
>block.
>
>	If the latter block is filled in for you, then make sure that 
>"text/html" is included in this list.  If the first block is filled 
>in, then make sure that "text/html" is *NOT* included.
>
>	Then, you need to make sure that the radio button for "convert 
>text/html to text" is turned off.

But also note that if content filtering is on (filter_content = Yes),
then any multipart/alternative parts that contain for example a
text/plain sub-part followed by a text/html sub-part will ultimately
see only the text/plain part on the list even if both text/plain and
text/html are allowed. The only way to get the text/html sub-part to
the list in this case is to allow multipart/alternative and text/html
and NOT text/plain which is probably very bad as it would require
everyone to post in HTML.

Ways around this are to turn off content filtering completely or to
post HTML as HTML only and not multipart/alternative.

Quoting from the content filtering page: <quote>
After this initial filtering, any multipart  attachments that are empty
are removed. If the outer message is left empty after this filtering,
then the whole message is discarded. Then, each multipart/alternative
section will be replaced by just the first alternative that is
non-empty after filtering.</quote>

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 24 06:17:48 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:17:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Questions
In-Reply-To: <p0600200bbd784b6d65ab@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <PC17152004092321174801569bc4660c@msapiro>

Brad Knowles wrote:

>At 2:11 PM -0700 2004-09-17, Cheryl LaSalle wrote:
>
>>    c.. Is there any way that the subject line of the confirm e-mail can be
>>  made "friendlier".  Seeing something like "confirm
>>  82b57cdc0f01bb4c4954c6346583539ebee04502" in a subject line is daunting
>>  to an unsuspecting recipient of a Confirm e-mail via Mass Subscription.
>
>	Not without changing the source code, no.

Actually, yes.

set
  VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes
in mm_cfg.py

Read the material in Defaults.py regarding VERP_CONFIRM_FORMAT,
VERP_CONFIRM_REGEXP and VERP_CONFIRMATIONS.


>>    d.. Is there any way for the Moderator to be able to edit the content
>>        of a posting prior to approval?
>
>	Not that I know of, no.

Go to the FAQ at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and read
article 3.9.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 24 06:32:40 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:32:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions about the "Mass" subscribe option
In-Reply-To: <4151FE32.3040605@rasmussen.us>
Message-ID: <PC17152004092321324000780c65c876@msapiro>

Dana Rasmussen wrote:
>
>Does the mass subscribe option allow for bulk additions from a file containing the list of addresses?
>

Yes, see the Membership Management...->Mass Subscription page for
details.

>Can you invite people to join a list using the mass subscribe option?  I would like the potential members to "opt-in" with a confirmation reply e-mail.
>

Yes, there is a subscribe/invite selection on the page.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 24 06:49:46 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:49:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mime used in digest
In-Reply-To: <NGBBJNMJILLGJCEPBPJNMEICFIAA.judypetersen@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <PC17152004092321494605620c65ca60@msapiro>

Judy Petersen wrote:

>It appears that two of our list members are suddenly receiving their digests
>in MIME format. I read a message about it that suggested AOL was doing this
>and the user has an AOL address so I referred her. Seems AOL says they don't
>cause any changes to these emails (what I expected them to say).
>
>Anyway, is anyone familiar with this, what the problem is and the solution?
>
It is a subscriber option to receive digests in MIME format with each
message in a separate part. On the membership list pages, it is the
"plain" box - unchecked = MIME format digests.

On the user's options page it is "Get MIME or Plain Text Digests?"

The default for new subscribers in on the Digest options page.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From jwblist at olympus.net  Fri Sep 24 07:58:22 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:58:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Woes
In-Reply-To: <p0600200dbd792841275b@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <BD79058E.168A2%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 9/23/2004 18:29, "Brad Knowles" <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote:
> At 11:22 AM -0700 2004-09-23, Fred Macondray wrote:
...
>>  2) ONLY a few authorized addresses can send to the list?
> 
> In the web admin interface for your list, go to the "Privacy
> options..." section, then down to "Sender filters".  Partway down on
> the page there is a field with the description:
> 
> List of non-member addresses whose postings should be
> automatically accepted.
> 
> This also has a link to a page with a brief description of this option.

That takes care of only "authorized addresses" sending the list.  Without
help from your mail system, it doesn't do much for preventing the forging of
mail from the authorized addresses.

You don't actually have to solve that problem until it happens (unless you
fear the first instance will create a "hostile workplace" situation)...then
require moderation until you come up with a better solution.

  --John


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep 24 10:50:15 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:50:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Questions
In-Reply-To: <PC17152004092321174801569bc4660c@msapiro>
References: <PC17152004092321174801569bc4660c@msapiro>
Message-ID: <p06002016bd798f915e02@[10.0.1.4]>

At 9:17 PM -0700 2004-09-23, Mark Sapiro wrote:

>  Read the material in Defaults.py regarding VERP_CONFIRM_FORMAT,
>  VERP_CONFIRM_REGEXP and VERP_CONFIRMATIONS.

	I stand corrected.  I had missed this option.  For the benefit of 
those who don't know what Mark is talking about, these options say:

# For nicer confirmation emails, use a VERP-like format which encodes the
# confirmation cookie in the reply address.  This lets us put a more user
# friendly Subject: on the message, but requires cooperation from the MTA.
# Format is like VERP_FORMAT above, but with the following substitutions:
#
# %(confirm)s -- the list-confirm mailbox will be set here
# %(cookie)s  -- the confirmation cookie will be set here
VERP_CONFIRM_FORMAT = '%(addr)s+%(cookie)s'

# This is analogous to VERP_REGEXP, but for splitting apart the
# VERP_CONFIRM_FORMAT.
VERP_CONFIRM_REGEXP = r'^(?P<addr>[^+]+?)\+(?P<cookie>[^@]+)@.*$'

# Set this to Yes to enable VERP-like (more user friendly) confirmations
VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = No

>>	Not that I know of, no.
>
>  Go to the FAQ at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and read
>  article 3.9.

	Interesting.  I missed that one, too.


	Thanks for the clarifications!

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep 24 10:56:18 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:56:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Woes
In-Reply-To: <BD79058E.168A2%jwblist@olympus.net>
References: <BD79058E.168A2%jwblist@olympus.net>
Message-ID: <p06002017bd7990b2a1d1@[10.0.1.4]>

At 10:58 PM -0700 2004-09-23, John W. Baxter wrote:

>  That takes care of only "authorized addresses" sending the list.  Without
>  help from your mail system, it doesn't do much for preventing the forging of
>  mail from the authorized addresses.

	True enough.  Out of the box, Mailman does not have any 
cryptographic authentication mechanisms to verify that a given person 
really did send a particular message.

>  You don't actually have to solve that problem until it happens (unless you
>  fear the first instance will create a "hostile workplace" situation)...then
>  require moderation until you come up with a better solution.

	I understand that there is a patch to add PGP authentication (see 
<https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=645297&group_id=103>), 
and there may be other alternatives for similar integration as well.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From egd at us.ibm.com  Fri Sep 24 13:32:49 2004
From: egd at us.ibm.com (Elizabeth Dunnagan)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 05:32:49 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Elizabeth Dunnagan/Raleigh/IBM cannot get to her
	mail.
Message-ID: <OFDFAA0FF7.688F74DF-ON87256F19.003F6E30-87256F19.003F6E30@us.ibm.com>






I will be out of the office starting  09/24/2004 and will not return until
09/27/2004.

I'll get back with you when I return.  If you need to speak to someone
before I return, please  contact Jack Pizzolato (919-254-7116) for design,
Peter Yim (919-543-4797) for push, Kimberly Brantley (919-486-2507) for
all other search matters and IA.

From abbas at mustafacomputers.com  Fri Sep 24 12:48:05 2004
From: abbas at mustafacomputers.com (Abbas Qaizar)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:48:05 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privacy Options 
Message-ID: <011001c4a224$090bb0e0$0600000a@mcnp>

Hello Everybody,

If we look at one of the features in : -----> Privacy Options ----> Subscription Rules -----------> What steps are required for subscription ??? And there are 3-options.

if we go Confirm and Approve then ??? 

Kindly keep in mind that the addresses are stored by the moderator himself..................members were neither invited nor they subscribed themselves.

Request to all those who are using this Mailman as an ANNOUNCEMENT LIST.............i.e. One-Way list as I need to know whether all subscribed members are getting my mails regularly or not.

Will anybody respond to this soon ?????




Thanks & Best Regards

Abbas Qaizar


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From chris at jellybaby.net  Fri Sep 24 14:27:50 2004
From: chris at jellybaby.net (Chris Boulter)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:27:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Message-ID: <20040924122750.GA79156@jellybaby.net>

I've sometimes seen the text
        A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
in our digests and archives, along with a hyperlink to a file. This seems
to be inserted by Mailman when it strips a binary attachment.

This text was scaring our users, since the use of the word 'scrubbed'
sounds like some malicious content was identified. I've changed it in our
installation to just say
        A non-text attachment...

Any problems with this? Is my understanding correct of when we would
expect to see the text?

Oddly, when there is a text body as well as binary attachments, the
attachments seem to be silently dropped without mention, and there is no
hyperlink to retrieve them. Is there any reason why this might happen?
(I've hacked with HyperArch.py and Scrubber.py in other ways, so it may be
a bug I've introduced.)

Many thanks,
Chris

-- 
chris at jellybaby.net | +44 7951 979421


From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Fri Sep 24 14:44:55 2004
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:44:55 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
In-Reply-To: <20040924122750.GA79156@jellybaby.net>
References: <20040924122750.GA79156@jellybaby.net>
Message-ID: <415416C7.8030703@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

Chris Boulter wrote:

> Oddly, when there is a text body as well as binary attachments, the
> attachments seem to be silently dropped without mention, and there is no
> hyperlink to retrieve them. Is there any reason why this might happen?

I have updated SourceForge CVS Scrubber.py as what I think better.
Please give it a try and check if it continues the silent dropping.

You can get Scrubber.py alone but need to update Defalts.py also.

And, the word 'scrub' still remains ....

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/



From JolinWarren at OakandApple.org  Fri Sep 24 14:58:25 2004
From: JolinWarren at OakandApple.org (Jolin M Warren)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:58:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Domain in the To: header
Message-ID: <p05111a6ebd79a034ac98@10.0.1.2>

I am having a problem getting Mailman to use the correct domain in 
the list address for my lists. Here's the situation:

  -The domain for my lists is <lists.foe-edinburgh.org.uk>

  -The DNS entry for this domain maps it to 
<foe-edinburgh.dnsalias.net>, which resolves to the actual IP address:
   lists.foe-edinburgh.org.uk. 300 IN      CNAME   foe-edinburgh.dnsalias.net

  -the 'host_name' setting for this list is set to "lists.foe-edinburgh.org.uk"

Here's my problem: when someone posts to the list 'example', they use 
the address:

example at lists.foe-edinburgh.org.uk

In every case I have checked, this is the address that is being 
entered into the 'To:' field of the sender's mailer. However, some 
MTAs seem to be automatically substituting the CNAME for the domain 
in the To: address, so the email that arrives at my server has the 
To: address of:

example at foe-edinburgh.dnsalias.net

I have checked all of the headers of these emails, and the received 
headers are as follows:

Received: from xxx (xx.xx.xx.xx) by xx.xx.net (xx.xx.xx.xx)
	id xxxxxxxxxxx for example at lists.foe-edinburgh.org.uk

In fact, all of the headers in the message use the 
<lists.foe-edinburgh.org.uk> domain (because the server considers 
this its hostname). The ONLY place that <foe-edinburgh.dnsalias.net> 
appears is in the To: header. Yet when I have the sender forward me 
the original email they posted, the To: header is in fact set to 
<example at lists.foe-edinburgh.org.uk>.

Now, here's my question: Is there any way to get Mailman to recognise 
that the message was addressed to 
<example at lists.foe-edinburgh.org.uk> (as the Received: headers can 
see) and post the message with a To: header using that address? I 
would really prefer that list members never see anything with the 
<foe-edinburgh.dnsalias.net> domain.

Thanks for any help with this.

Cheers,
Jolin


From Elve.Raukas at kliinikum.ee  Fri Sep 24 16:30:27 2004
From: Elve.Raukas at kliinikum.ee (Elve Raukas)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:30:27 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I do not wish to be subscribed
Message-ID: <24D98241DB6E6C43A4905A37009E014805C8A0@viplala.kliinikum.ee>

I do not wish to be subscribed to "Mailman -Users" mailing list.
Elve Raukas


From rufranco at utep.edu  Fri Sep 24 16:54:38 2004
From: rufranco at utep.edu (Franco, Ruben)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:54:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership Management Error
Message-ID: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650DCC@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>

Hi,
	We are having a problem with one of our lists.  When trying to access the "Membership Manangement" section, one gets the following error:

----------------------------------------------------------

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 
Traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 198, in main
    show_results(mlist, doc, category, subcat, cgidata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 498, in show_results
    form.AddItem(membership_options(mlist, subcat, cgidata, doc, form))
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 870, in membership_options
    all = [_m.encode() for _m in mlist.getMembers()]
UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)



Python information:
Variable	Value	
sys.version	2.2.3 (#1, Aug 8 2003, 08:44:02) [GCC 3.2.3 20030502 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.3-13)] 	
sys.executable	/usr/bin/python 	
sys.prefix	/usr 	
sys.exec_prefix	/usr 	
sys.path	/usr 	
sys.platform	linux2 	

Environment variables:
Variable	Value	
HTTP_REFERER 	http://listserv.utep.edu/mailman/admin/mpo 	
SCRIPT_FILENAME 	/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin 	
PYTHONPATH 	/usr/local/mailman 	
SERVER_SOFTWARE 	Apache 	
SERVER_ADMIN 	root at localhost 	
SCRIPT_NAME 	/mailman/admin 	
SERVER_SIGNATURE 	Apache Server at listserv.utep.edu Port 80	
REQUEST_METHOD 	GET 	
HTTP_HOST 	listserv.utep.edu 	
PATH_INFO 	/mpo/members 	
SERVER_PROTOCOL 	HTTP/1.1 	
QUERY_STRING 		
REQUEST_URI 	/mailman/admin/mpo/members 	
HTTP_ACCEPT 	image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, application/x-shockwave-flash, */* 	
PATH_TRANSLATED 	/usr/local/mailman/mpo/members 	
HTTP_USER_AGENT 	Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Avant Browser [avantbrowser.com]) 	
HTTP_CONNECTION 	Keep-Alive 	
HTTP_COOKIE 	unix-admins+admin=280200000069c9335441732800000066303635313430666666393237323262363032636664366533613865636530633337616238323631; mpo+admin=280200000069dc335441732800000034383930303538383338376665383735303666346265386632633163643466616165633330623739 	
SERVER_NAME 	listserv.utep.edu 	
REMOTE_ADDR 	129.108.1.43 	
REMOTE_PORT 	3098 	
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 	en-us 	
UNIQUE_ID 	FIUlSYFsAFAAAAbyQlkAAAAD 	
SERVER_PORT 	80 	
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 	CGI/1.1 	
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 	gzip, deflate 	
SERVER_ADDR 	129.108.0.80 	
DOCUMENT_ROOT 	/usr/local/mailman 	




From lcmurdock at hrl.com  Thu Sep 23 18:21:01 2004
From: lcmurdock at hrl.com (Luis Murdock)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:21:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors During Make-Install
References: <415201FF.4010206@hrl.com>
	<C1C6211B-0D3C-11D9-BFDB-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4152F7ED.9020005@hrl.com>

    Richard,
    Thank you for responding and the tip.  I had suspected python.
     Here's what I get:

    isl{root}250: python
    Python 2.3.3 (#1, Sep 10 2004, 10:20:22)
    [GCC 3.2.3] on sunos5
    Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
     >>> import socket
    Traceback (most recent call last):
      File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
      File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/socket.py", line 44, in ?
        import _socket
    ImportError: No module named _socket
     >>> import sys
     >>> sys.exit()
    isl{root}251:

    I will install python again.  I will let you know how it goes.  Okay?  

    Thanks Again,



Richard Barrett wrote:

> You probably have a problem with your Python installation.
>
> _socket is part of the standard Python library providing support for 
> the UNIX/BSD socket interface. Unless and until you can run python 
> from the command line and enter the command "import socket" without 
> getting an exception raised then there is no point in trying to do the 
> Mailman install. You may need to re-install Python.
>
> For instance, the following shows the socket module is installed 
> properly (no exccption raised by the import):
>
> [machine!/home/barrett]:python
> Python 2.3.3 (#1, May 11 2004, 13:30:18)
> [GCC 3.3.2] on sunos5
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> import socket
> >>> import sys
> >>> sys.exit()
> [machine!/home/barrett]:
>
> On 22 Sep 2004, at 23:51, Luis Murdock wrote:
>
>>    Hello,
>>    I am trying to install and run Mailman on Solaris 2.7 or SunOS 5.7
>>    and I'm getting the following fatal when running 'make install':
>>
>>    Traceback (most recent call last):
>>      File "bin/update", line 50, in ?
>>        from Mailman import Utils
>>      File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ?
>>        import cgi
>>      File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/cgi.py", line 39, in ?
>>        import urllib
>>      File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
>>        import socket
>>      File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/socket.py", line 44, in ?
>>        import _socket
>>    ImportError: No module named _socket
>>    *** Error code 1
>>    make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `update'
>>
>>    I have installed python2.3.3 and will use Apache 2.0.  Can anyone
>>    help with this error?
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Luis C. Murdock-Systems Integration/Administration Specialist
>> HRL Laboratories LLC - Information Systems Sciences Laboratory (ISSL) 
>> 3011 Malibu Canyon Road Malibu, Ca, 90265-Mail Stop RL96
>> (Tel) : 310-317-5650 (Fax) : 310-317-5695 Cell: 805-279-8970
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>> Searchable Archives: 
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>
>
>
>
>

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3011 Malibu Canyon Road Malibu, Ca, 90265-Mail Stop RL96
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From mehrab at mehrab.org  Thu Sep 23 20:49:12 2004
From: mehrab at mehrab.org (mehrab at mehrab.org)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:49:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ban List
Message-ID: <45962.212.138.47.20.1095965352.squirrel@al-furqan.us>

Dear Sir,

I own a mailing list which I manage thru mailman software. I am quite new
to this software. I actually used Yahoo Groups for more than theree years
for my list but recently migrated to my own server with mailman to manage
the list. I have difficulty in getting members ban from the list.
The ban list screen says the following:
"Addresses in this list are banned outright from subscribing to this
mailing list, with no further moderation required. Add addresses one per
line; start the line with a ^ character to designate a regular expression
match."
which means an address should be like ^x at y.z.
But when I tried to directly subscribe this address (after banning) it
gets added to the list. I also tried ot ban x at y.z but still able to add
this address to the list. Could you please help me on this?
I also could not figure out how to see the complete list of members as one
file. I have more than 25000 members on my list. Same for the unsusbcribed
members as I used to get these in Yahoo Groups quite easily.
I have tried to find the info at university of washington pages but
unfortunately the information given there did work with me.

Thanks in advance.




From dwight-uua at msb.significant.com  Thu Sep 23 21:41:49 2004
From: dwight-uua at msb.significant.com (Dwight A. Ernest)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:41:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't lock a list [repeat]
Message-ID: <20040923194149.GB30756@msb.significant.com>

Environment: mm 2.1.5, python 2.2.3, rhel es3 u2

(I've searched FAQ for this, in vain...)

On a list (called reach-l), which has a very large archive mbox, I just
tried to do

	$prefix/bin/arch --wipe reach-l

It got several hundred messages in and then blew up with a segmentation
fault. Reading a bit deeper, I see that perhaps I should have specified
some reasonable -s and -e values to limit the memory usage, but
hindsight is 20:20.

Since then, I've been unable to get a lock on the list. When I try, e.g,

	$prefix/bin/arch -s 1 -e 499 --wipe reach-l

...it just hangs. When I interrupt (^C), I see:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/var/mailman/bin/arch", line 189, in ?
     main()
   File "/var/mailman/bin/arch", line 141, in main
     mlist = MailList(listname)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 126, in __init__
     self.Lock()
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 159, in Lock
     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 312, in lock
     self.__sleep()
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 496, in __sleep
     time.sleep(interval)
KeyboardInterrupt

...which I believe I can reproduce in its most simple case with this:

[mailman at lists reach-l]$ /var/mailman/bin/withlist reach-l
Loading list reach-l (unlocked)
The variable `m' is the reach-l MailList instance
>>> m.Lock()

[it just hangs until I ^C, then:]

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "<console>", line 1, in ?
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 159, in Lock
     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 312, in lock
     self.__sleep()
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 496, in __sleep
     time.sleep(interval)
KeyboardInterrupt
>>> m.Unlock()
>>>
Finalizing
[mailman at lists reach-l]$

How can I clean things up for this list such that service code that
wants to, can get a lock on the list?



From doron_tordjman at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 24 03:00:19 2004
From: doron_tordjman at hotmail.com (Doron Tordjman)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:00:19 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not going out to list members
Message-ID: <BAY12-F24TbdkSmLAzt00001a6f@hotmail.com>

Hi,
Hopefully someone can help.
I created a list using admin web interface, but members are not receiving 
messages I am sending to the list.

Running:
Mailman 2.1.2
Installed from Mandrake 9.1 installation
MTA is sendmail

Thanks in advance,
Doron




From gary at gkgraphicdesigns.com  Fri Sep 24 05:48:52 2004
From: gary at gkgraphicdesigns.com (Gary Kaplan)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:48:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Probe Message Problem
In-Reply-To: <p0600200dbd784db5ee79@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <DMEMKOKLCGMMBAJLHFEBKEJEDPAA.gary@gkgraphicdesigns.com>

One of my users informed me that she got this message in which a couple
hundred address from the list were disclosed. I want to know if there is a
way to stop this. I don't want everyone who gets a probe message to see
everyone's email address. I have noted where the address are listed but left
the actual addresses off.


>This is a probe message.  You can ignore this message.
>
>The Upcnews mailing list has received a number of bounces from you,
>indicating that there may be a problem delivering messages to
>sue at jimgrisham.com. A bounce sample is attached below.  Please examine
>this message to make sure there are no problems with your email
>address.  You may want to check with your mail administrator for more
>help.
>
>If you are reading this, you don't need to do anything to remain an
>enabled member of the mailing list.  If this message had bounced, you
>would not be reading it, and your membership would have been disabled.
>Normally when you are disabled, you receive occasional messages asking
>you to re-enable your subscription.
>
>You can also visit your membership page at
>
>
>http://upc-online.org/mailman/options/upcnews_upc-online.org/sue%40jimgrish
am.com
>
>
>On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such
>as your email address and whether you get digests or not.  As a
>reminder, your membership password is
>
>     ahneda
>
>If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner
>at
>
>     Upcnews-owner at upc-online.org
>
>Received: from mailnull by washington.hostforweb.net with local (Exim 4.41)
>	id 1C9XAp-000348-CZ
>	for Upcnews-bounces at upc-online.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:02:19 -0400
>X-Failed-Recipients:

At this point it lists a couple hundred email addresses

Then is says this:

>Auto-Submitted: auto-generated
>From: Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon at washington.hostforweb.net>
>To: Upcnews-bounces at upc-online.org
>Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
>Message-Id: <E1C9XAp-000348-CZ at washington.hostforweb.net>
>Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:02:19 -0400
>
>This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
>
>A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
>recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

and list the addresses again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary Kaplan
GK Graphic Designs
Web Design, Graphic Design, Photography
http://www.gkgraphicdesigns.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Knowles [mailto:brad at stop.mail-abuse.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 5:55 AM
To: Gary Kaplan
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Probe Message Problem


At 10:55 PM -0400 2004-09-20, Gary Kaplan wrote:

>  Untitled DocumentThe probe message that my list is sending out to members
>  who have had messages bounce list all the other users addresses who have
had
>  bounces. How can I fix this.

	Could you give us some more details as to precisely what your
problem is, so that we have some idea of what you want fixed?

	As a starting point, please see
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.022.htp>.

--
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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.




From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Fri Sep 24 17:02:21 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:02:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Installation question
References: <41531D3A.3000000@rasmussen.us>
Message-ID: <cj1cu7$ifc$1@sea.gmane.org>

Dana Rasmussen <dana at rasmussen.us> wrote:
> Is it absolutely necessary to have root access to install Mailman?

Not just MM, but pretty much any package you want to install.


--?

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From chris-barnes at tamu.edu  Fri Sep 24 17:08:08 2004
From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:08:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbella lists
Message-ID: <cj1d94$jhv$1@sea.gmane.org>

I have a question about umbrella lists.

I understand the concept (and use them on my Lsoft Listserv lists).  But 
what I am unsure about is how they are implemented in MM.

Please correct my thinking here.
If you have an umbrella list, it has a group of sublists to which it 
will re-distribute its messages, right?  Then it should do these 2 
things:

a) make sure that a person that is subscribed to multiple sublists only 
gets 1 copy of the message

b) use it's own Subjectprefix (pre-empting the subject prefix of the 
sublists)


The problem I have is that this is not what is happening.  Our umbrella 
list is basically acting like the sublists are simple subscribers - 
meaning neither (a) nor (b) above is occurring.


-- 

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chris-barnes at tamu.edu                Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes 





From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 24 17:36:51 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:36:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages from "checkdbs"  cron job
In-Reply-To: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650D71@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409240836510859cc08c0ce@msapiro>

Franco, Ruben wrote:

>	I ran "check_db -a -v" but none of the config.db or config.pck files were found to be corrupted.  A few were missing for the newer lists but the help for "check_db" says that is nothing to worry about.
>

in response to Jim Tittsler 
>
>It looks like there is a problem with the request.pck database of at 
>least one of your lists.  You can use the bin/check_db tool to help 
>narrow down which one.

According to it's documentation, bin/check_db doesn't check the
request.pck files, so there still may be a problem there even if
bin/check_db won't help find it.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Sep 24 17:57:32 2004
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:57:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment
Message-ID: <415443EC.4010301@pcraft.com>


    Not sure how to configure and shut this off, but I noticed when 
someone sends a plain/text formatted e-mail to a list, the footer comes 
in as part of the message.  However, when someone sends a text/html 
message, the footer becomes an attachment.  Is there a way to make the 
footer always be part of the message?  Or is this something I need to 
put before hitting mailman (like stripmime) to overcome this problem?

    Running mailman 2.1.5...

-- 
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Sep 24 18:14:47 2004
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:14:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade question
Message-ID: <415447F7.1060506@pcraft.com>


    Having moved from mailman 2.0.11 to 2.1.5, I'm left with a few 
questions:

    1) What, if anything, do I need to do to make sure the old lists 
work with the new mailman?  When I installed 2.1.5, it told me that it 
checked/fixed/converted lists at the very end of the installation.  Does 
that mean I'm all done, and I don't have to do anything else with the 
list files?

    2) Paths also changed when I upgraded.  The previous installation 
was in /usr/people/mailman, and it's now in /home/mailman.  Presumably, 
all the lists are still assuming they're using the old path.  What needs 
to be done to get that solved?


    Feel free to simply point me to the appropriate answer somewhere on 
the web, if it's available.





From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 24 18:32:15 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:32:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Woes
In-Reply-To: <BD79058E.168A2%jwblist@olympus.net>
Message-ID: <PC17102004092409321505785af0d9f1@msapiro>

John W. Baxter wrote:

>
>That takes care of only "authorized addresses" sending the list.  Without
>help from your mail system, it doesn't do much for preventing the forging of
>mail from the authorized addresses.
>
>You don't actually have to solve that problem until it happens (unless you
>fear the first instance will create a "hostile workplace" situation)...then
>require moderation until you come up with a better solution.

You can moderate everyone and post using an Approved: header with the
list password as an actual header or the first line of the message
body.

See FAQ article 3.11

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From mferreira at dsi.uminho.pt  Fri Sep 24 18:37:42 2004
From: mferreira at dsi.uminho.pt (Miguel Ferreira)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:37:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Compiling Mailman with --with-mail-gid
Message-ID: <20040924163732.DADF963EA8@serv-g2.ccom.uminho.pt>

Hello,
 
I'm having huge problems getting mailman 2.1.5 to work in my system (Red Hat
9).
The problem has to do with the user sendmail uses to execute mailman.
Sending mail to an existing list returns the following error:
 
----- Transcript of session follows ----- Group mismatch error. Mailman
expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but the
system's mail server executed the mail script as group "mail". Try tweaking
the mail server to run the script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mail'.

I have configured and compiled mailman with with-mail-gid=mail but nothing
good came out from that. The system still returns the same error... 

Am I missing something here?

Help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers.

- -
Miguel Ferreira (researcher)
University of Minho 
(DSI) Department of Information Systems
Campus de Azur?m 4800-Guimar?es 
Portugal
Phone: +351 253 510 319
Ext.: 7306 

 

From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Sep 24 18:49:34 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:49:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbella lists
In-Reply-To: <cj1d94$jhv$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <cj1d94$jhv$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <B6B117F2-0E49-11D9-BFDB-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 24 Sep 2004, at 16:08, Chris Barnes wrote:

> I have a question about umbrella lists.
>
> I understand the concept (and use them on my Lsoft Listserv lists).  
> But
> what I am unsure about is how they are implemented in MM.
>
> Please correct my thinking here.
> If you have an umbrella list, it has a group of sublists to which it
> will re-distribute its messages, right?  Then it should do these 2
> things:
>
> a) make sure that a person that is subscribed to multiple sublists only
> gets 1 copy of the message
>
> b) use it's own Subjectprefix (pre-empting the subject prefix of the
> sublists)
>
>
> The problem I have is that this is not what is happening.  Our umbrella
> list is basically acting like the sublists are simple subscribers -
> meaning neither (a) nor (b) above is occurring.
>
>

Unfortunately you are saying what you think umbrella lists should do, 
not understanding what MM does do with them, which is not very much.

What Mailman does is described in the help for the umbrella_list and 
umbrella_member_suffix list attributes on the General Options page of 
the Mailman admin web GUI.

If you want more then you will have to wait for Mailman's volunteer 
developers to do it or become one and do it yourself.

<quote>
umbrella_list (general): Send password reminders to, eg, "-owner" 
address instead of  directly to user.

Set this to yes when this list is intended to cascade only  to other 
mailing lists. When set, meta notices like  confirmations and password 
reminders will be directed to an  address derived from the member's 
address - it will have the  value of "umbrella_member_suffix" appended 
to the member's  account name.
</quote>

<quote>
umbrella_member_suffix (general): Suffix for use when this list is an 
umbrella for other  lists, according to setting of previous 
"umbrella_list"  setting.

When "umbrella_list" is set to indicate that this list has  other 
mailing lists as members, then administrative notices like 
confirmations and password reminders need to not be sent to the  member 
list addresses, but rather to the owner of those member lists. In that 
case, the value of this setting is appended to  the member's account 
name for such notices. `-owner' is the  typical choice. This setting 
has no effect when "umbrella_list"  is "No".
</quote>

> -- 
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From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Fri Sep 24 18:53:28 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:53:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't lock a list [repeat]
In-Reply-To: <20040923194149.GB30756@msb.significant.com>
References: <20040923194149.GB30756@msb.significant.com>
Message-ID: <426190CB-0E4A-11D9-BFDB-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 23 Sep 2004, at 20:41, Dwight A. Ernest wrote:

> Environment: mm 2.1.5, python 2.2.3, rhel es3 u2
>
> (I've searched FAQ for this, in vain...)
>
> On a list (called reach-l), which has a very large archive mbox, I just
> tried to do
>
> 	$prefix/bin/arch --wipe reach-l
>
> It got several hundred messages in and then blew up with a segmentation
> fault. Reading a bit deeper, I see that perhaps I should have specified
> some reasonable -s and -e values to limit the memory usage, but
> hindsight is 20:20.
>
> Since then, I've been unable to get a lock on the list. When I try, 
> e.g,
>
> 	$prefix/bin/arch -s 1 -e 499 --wipe reach-l
>
> ...it just hangs. When I interrupt (^C), I see:
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "/var/mailman/bin/arch", line 189, in ?
>      main()
>    File "/var/mailman/bin/arch", line 141, in main
>      mlist = MailList(listname)
>    File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 126, in __init__
>      self.Lock()
>    File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 159, in Lock
>      self.__lock.lock(timeout)
>    File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 312, in lock
>      self.__sleep()
>    File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 496, in __sleep
>      time.sleep(interval)
> KeyboardInterrupt
>
> ...which I believe I can reproduce in its most simple case with this:
>
> [mailman at lists reach-l]$ /var/mailman/bin/withlist reach-l
> Loading list reach-l (unlocked)
> The variable `m' is the reach-l MailList instance
>>>> m.Lock()
>
> [it just hangs until I ^C, then:]
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "<console>", line 1, in ?
>    File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 159, in Lock
>      self.__lock.lock(timeout)
>    File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 312, in lock
>      self.__sleep()
>    File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 496, in __sleep
>      time.sleep(interval)
> KeyboardInterrupt
>>>> m.Unlock()
>>>>
> Finalizing
> [mailman at lists reach-l]$
>
> How can I clean things up for this list such that service code that
> wants to, can get a lock on the list?

Look in the $prefix/locks/ directory for stale locks associated with 
the list concerned.



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 24 18:58:36 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:58:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privacy Options 
In-Reply-To: <011001c4a224$090bb0e0$0600000a@mcnp>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409240958360078223d97f2@msapiro>

Abbas Qaizar wrote:
>
>If we look at one of the features in : -----> Privacy Options ----> Subscription Rules -----------> What steps are required for subscription ??? And there are 3-options.
>
>if we go Confirm and Approve then ??? 

The potential subscriber gets a confirmation e-mail to confirm she/he
really wants to subscribe. This e-mail must be confirmed by replying
to the e-mail or visiting a web link in the mail.

After confirmation (the confirm part), the list moderator/owner is
notified of the subscription request and must approve it (the approve
part).

>Kindly keep in mind that the addresses are stored by the moderator himself..................members were neither invited nor they subscribed themselves.
>

If you are saying the addresses are subscribed directly via mass
subscribe, then the "steps required" don't apply. The addresses are
just subscribed immediately.

>Request to all those who are using this Mailman as an ANNOUNCEMENT LIST.............i.e. One-Way list as I need to know whether all subscribed members are getting my mails regularly or not.
>

You could ask them...

OTOH, if Mailman is working and they aren't bouncing, then the mail is
getting as far as the subscriber's incoming MTA, and that's as much as
you can find out.

>Will anybody respond to this soon ?????

People, I in particular, have responded to several of your previous
posts and answered questions similar if not identical to some of
these. See the archives at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-September/thread.html
. Of course, if you haven't received any of those replies, you
probably won't receive this one either. This time, I'll try not
replying directly to you on the theory that maybe you can receive from
the list but not from me. If that doesn't work, I'm going to give up
trying to answer your questions.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 24 19:26:53 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:26:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership Management Error
In-Reply-To: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650DCC@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>
Message-ID: <PC17102004092410265302960c4a935d@msapiro>


Franco, Ruben wrote:

>	We are having a problem with one of our lists.  When trying to access the "Membership Manangement" section, one gets the following error:
>
>----------------------------------------------------------
>
>Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5
>We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 
>Traceback:
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>    main()
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 198, in main
>    show_results(mlist, doc, category, subcat, cgidata)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 498, in show_results
>    form.AddItem(membership_options(mlist, subcat, cgidata, doc, form))
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 870, in membership_options
>    all = [_m.encode() for _m in mlist.getMembers()]
>UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)

It looks like you have a subscriber address with a non-ascii character.

See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.013.htp

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From brent_s at mail.blackriver.k12.oh.us  Fri Sep 24 19:28:26 2004
From: brent_s at mail.blackriver.k12.oh.us (Brent Shafer)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:28:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A problem tying Mailman to my Sendmail Server
Message-ID: <64517.10.91.10.251.1096046906.squirrel@10.91.10.251>

I had initially had success with my first mailing list creation, except
for the fact that it sent to @localhost.local instead of the SMTP server's
true domain name mail.blackriver.k12.oh.us.  When I made the adjustment,
it will no longer send email through the SMTP server...  requests can be
made, the administration interface appears to work...  it just won't
verify via email that the list has been created.

Thanks for any help or ideas as to where to look.

Brent


From brent_s at mail.blackriver.k12.oh.us  Fri Sep 24 19:28:53 2004
From: brent_s at mail.blackriver.k12.oh.us (Brent Shafer)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:28:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A problem tying Mailman to my Sendmail Server
Message-ID: <64519.10.91.10.251.1096046933.squirrel@10.91.10.251>

I had initially had success with my first mailing list creation, except
for the fact that it sent to @localhost.local instead of the SMTP server's
true domain name mail.blackriver.k12.oh.us.  When I made the adjustment,
it will no longer send email through the SMTP server...  requests can be
made, the administration interface appears to work...  it just won't
verify via email that the list has been created.

Thanks for any help or ideas as to where to look.

Brent


From rufranco at utep.edu  Fri Sep 24 19:32:03 2004
From: rufranco at utep.edu (Franco, Ruben)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:32:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership Management Error
Message-ID: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650DF4@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>

Unfortunately, the admin for this particular list was pretty upset and in a hurry so as a quick fix I extracted the membership listing (list_members) and rebuilt the list.

Thanks for the information.  I will keep it on file in case this issue reoccurs on another list.

Ruben


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:27 AM
To: Franco, Ruben; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Membership Management Error



Franco, Ruben wrote:

>	We are having a problem with one of our lists.  When trying to access the "Membership Manangement" section, one gets the following error:
>
>----------------------------------------------------------
>
>Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5
>We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 
>Traceback:
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>    main()
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 198, in main
>    show_results(mlist, doc, category, subcat, cgidata)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 498, in show_results
>    form.AddItem(membership_options(mlist, subcat, cgidata, doc, form))
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 870, in membership_options
>    all = [_m.encode() for _m in mlist.getMembers()]
>UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)

It looks like you have a subscriber address with a non-ascii character.

See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.013.htp

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 24 19:37:53 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:37:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbella lists
In-Reply-To: <B6B117F2-0E49-11D9-BFDB-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409241037530515370f9938@msapiro>

Richard Barrett wrote:
>
>On 24 Sep 2004, at 16:08, Chris Barnes wrote:
>
>> I have a question about umbrella lists.
>>
>> I understand the concept (and use them on my Lsoft Listserv lists).  
>> But
>> what I am unsure about is how they are implemented in MM.
>>
>> Please correct my thinking here.
>> If you have an umbrella list, it has a group of sublists to which it
>> will re-distribute its messages, right?  Then it should do these 2
>> things:
>>
>> a) make sure that a person that is subscribed to multiple sublists only
>> gets 1 copy of the message
>>
>> b) use it's own Subjectprefix (pre-empting the subject prefix of the
>> sublists)
>>
>>
>> The problem I have is that this is not what is happening.  Our umbrella
>> list is basically acting like the sublists are simple subscribers -
>> meaning neither (a) nor (b) above is occurring.
>>
>>
>
>Unfortunately you are saying what you think umbrella lists should do, 
>not understanding what MM does do with them, which is not very much.
>
>What Mailman does is described in the help for the umbrella_list and 
>umbrella_member_suffix list attributes on the General Options page of 
>the Mailman admin web GUI.
>
>If you want more then you will have to wait for Mailman's volunteer 
>developers to do it or become one and do it yourself.
>

But see FAQ article at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.005.htp
for a possible work-around.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 24 19:43:13 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:43:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment
In-Reply-To: <415443EC.4010301@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409241043130062370f974b@msapiro>

Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>
>    Not sure how to configure and shut this off, but I noticed when 
>someone sends a plain/text formatted e-mail to a list, the footer comes 
>in as part of the message.  However, when someone sends a text/html 
>message, the footer becomes an attachment.  Is there a way to make the 
>footer always be part of the message?  Or is this something I need to 
>put before hitting mailman (like stripmime) to overcome this problem?

Visit the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and read article 4.39.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From jendostal at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 24 20:07:40 2004
From: jendostal at yahoo.com (Jennifer Dostal)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:07:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 40] Too many levels of symbolic
	links:
Message-ID: <20040924180740.49993.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all!
 
I'm using Mailman as my org's listserv. I didn't set it up, so I'm a bit lost with this error message. I get the error  when I click on the Overview of all lists link at the bottom of the page. I need to add some more lists but I can't because I now get this message. I am using a hosting service, so I don't have a lot of acces to the nuts and bolts of the server and services.
 
Thanks!
Jen
 
Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main    main()  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 42, in main    listinfo_overview()  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 87, in listinfo_overview    mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__    self.Load()  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 629, in Load    self.CheckVersion(dict)  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 671, in CheckVersion    self.InitVars()  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 372, in InitVars    baseclass.InitVars(self)  File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 111, in InitVars    fp = open(indexfile)IOError: [Errno 40] Too many levels of symbolic links:
 '/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/archives/private/announcements_isf.waglo.com/index.html'

 
 



--------------------
When choosing between two evils I always like to take the one I've never tried before.  -Mae West




From sdean at bard.edu  Fri Sep 24 21:15:21 2004
From: sdean at bard.edu (Stewart Dean)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:15:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pacing input
Message-ID: <41547249.5010104@bard.edu>

This is not strictly a Mailman question so much as a generic mailing list 
in-its-environment question.  The specific problem situation is that on Monday and Friday 
at my college, people will dump a ton of mailings into the hopper right at the end of the 
day.  I can have 20-40 (or more) mailings (to 20-400 list members each) dumped into the 
hopper with the same 15-30 minutes.  The hw/sw chugs away, but the latency can be from 30 
minutes to 2 hours.

Yes, this is stupid.  Yes, I know this would be like everyone in a store shopping all day, 
then attempting to all check out at the same time, that you'd need 300 cash registers. 
Alas, one of the realities of working at a college is that you can't issue directives and 
policies in the "You MUST" fashion the way you do in the business world.

So I'm wondering: has anyone implemented some kind of input throttling/pacing script or 
method that would be kind enough to share their experience/technique/wisdom?

Yes, I know that this won't speed up the throughput or reduce the latency...what I'm 
looking for is some way to introduce feedback to the user and put priority on the input.
I'm open to any suggestions, but one possibility I envision would be some sort of front 
end or method that would:

a) prioritize input (so that emergency messages with time value would get preferential 
treatment (by being submitted immediately, while the start of other less-time-ckritical 
submissions would be paced so that the machine, while loaded, was never really backed up. 
  In short, the imagined solution would be the controlling bottleneck (where it could be 
*managed*), rather than the host (where it is just piles up any old way).  Note that use 
of the various priorities would have to be controlled; if freely controllable by everyone, 
all messages will have top priority......

b) provide feedback by indicating the estimated projected latency with an indication of 
how much better things would be if the job hadn't be submitted right on top of an already 
loaded host.

Thanks in advance for any and all help or advice!
-- 
====
Stewart Dean, Unix System Admin, Henderson Computer Resources
Center of Bard College, Annandale-on-Hudson, New York  12504
sdean at bard.edu  voice: 845-758-7475, fax: 845-758-7035



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 24 20:24:46 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:24:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Probe Message Problem
In-Reply-To: <DMEMKOKLCGMMBAJLHFEBKEJEDPAA.gary@gkgraphicdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <PC171020040924112446076511dd8f2b@msapiro>

Gary Kaplan wrote:

>One of my users informed me that she got this message in which a couple
>hundred address from the list were disclosed. I want to know if there is a
>way to stop this. I don't want everyone who gets a probe message to see
>everyone's email address. I have noted where the address are listed but left
>the actual addresses off.
>
>
>>This is a probe message.  You can ignore this message.
>>
<snip>
>>
>>Received: from mailnull by washington.hostforweb.net with local (Exim 4.41)
>>	id 1C9XAp-000348-CZ
>>	for Upcnews-bounces at upc-online.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:02:19 -0400
>>X-Failed-Recipients:
>
>At this point it lists a couple hundred email addresses
>
>Then is says this:
>
>>Auto-Submitted: auto-generated
>>From: Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon at washington.hostforweb.net>
>>To: Upcnews-bounces at upc-online.org
>>Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
>>Message-Id: <E1C9XAp-000348-CZ at washington.hostforweb.net>
>>Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:02:19 -0400
>>
>>This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
>>
>>A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
>>recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
>
>and list the addresses again.

It appears that Mailman is appending the bounce message to the probe
and in this case there were "a couple hundred" subscribers in the
washington.hostforweb.net domain that bounced.

In any case, this seems to be sufficient reason to not append the
original bounce mesage to the probe.

I'm far from fluent in Python, but it looks like either

  self.sendProbe(member, msg)
in the routine
  def registerBounce(self, member, msg, weight=1.0, day=None):
in Bouncer.py

or
  outer.attach(MIMEMessage(msg))
in
  def sendProbe(self, member, msg):
in Deliverer.py

are places where this can be addressed.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From tim at macprosolutions.com  Fri Sep 24 20:28:59 2004
From: tim at macprosolutions.com (Timothy Hagan)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:28:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP - can't authorize posts - timeout error
Message-ID: <9A323E5A-0E57-11D9-AD47-000D93520BFA@macprosolutions.com>

I am receiving the emails from Mailman telling me that, as 
administrator, I need to authorize the delivery of a posting. It 
includes a link (for my convenience) to access the admin web page and 
approve the posting. However, my browser times out every time I try to 
link to it. Is there something that could be wrong with my server? Is 
there a way to approve this posting without going to the web?

HELP!

Tim Hagan
Service Operations
MacPro Solutions, Inc.
8030 West Broad
Richmond, VA 23294
www.macprosolutions.com
804 497-8710
804 497-8712 FAX



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 24 20:30:08 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:30:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not going out to list members
In-Reply-To: <BAY12-F24TbdkSmLAzt00001a6f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC171020040924113008051511dd8e0b@msapiro>

Doron Tordjman wrote:

>I created a list using admin web interface, but members are not receiving 
>messages I am sending to the list.

Visit the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and read article 3.14.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 24 21:32:10 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:32:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ban List
In-Reply-To: <45962.212.138.47.20.1095965352.squirrel@al-furqan.us>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409241232100843c0e40275@msapiro>

mehrab at mehrab.org wrote:
>
>I own a mailing list which I manage thru mailman software. I am quite new
>to this software. I actually used Yahoo Groups for more than theree years
>for my list but recently migrated to my own server with mailman to manage
>the list. I have difficulty in getting members ban from the list.
>The ban list screen says the following:
>"Addresses in this list are banned outright from subscribing to this
>mailing list, with no further moderation required. Add addresses one per
>line; start the line with a ^ character to designate a regular expression
>match."
>which means an address should be like ^x at y.z.

Only if you want to specify a pattern as a Python regular expression.

>But when I tried to directly subscribe this address (after banning) it
>gets added to the list. I also tried ot ban x at y.z but still able to add
>this address to the list. Could you please help me on this?

The text you quote above says "Addresses in this list are banned
outright from subscribing to this mailing list". It does not say that
the list administrator is banned from subscribing them directly.

The ban list prevents people from subscribing themselves. It doesn't
prevent the administrator from subscribing them.

>I also could not figure out how to see the complete list of members as one
>file. I have more than 25000 members on my list.

The e-mail who command or the bin/list_members command although it
sounds like you don't have access to the latter.

>Same for the unsusbcribed
>members as I used to get these in Yahoo Groups quite easily.

I don't understand what you mean by a list of unsubscribed members. If
you mean a list of people who have been subscribed in the past but
aren't now, Mailman doesn't have that information. If you maen
notification of unsubscribes as they happen, this is controled by
admin_notify_mchanges on the lists General Options.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 24 22:01:06 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:01:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 40] Too many levels of
	symboliclinks:
In-Reply-To: <20040924180740.49993.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <PC171020040924130106089011dd8f80@msapiro>

Jennifer Dostal wrote:
> 
>I'm using Mailman as my org's listserv. I didn't set it up, so I'm a bit lost with this error message. I get the error  when I click on the Overview of all lists link at the bottom of the page. I need to add some more lists but I can't because I now get this message. I am using a hosting service, so I don't have a lot of acces to the nuts and bolts of the server and services.
> 

It seems that the hosting service is in turn using CPanel. You need to
take this up with the hosting service and/or CPanel. See the FAQ entry
at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From eric at pretorious.net  Fri Sep 24 22:12:37 2004
From: eric at pretorious.net (Eric Pretorious)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:12:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recovering data/virtual-mailman file
Message-ID: <200409241312.37774.eric@pretorious.net>

Hello, All:

As root I ran bin/genaliases this morning and it emptied my 
data/virtual-mailman file. Is there any way to recover this file? e.g., maybe 
from the data/virtual-mailman.db?

-- 
Eric P.,
Sunnyvale, CA


From eric at pretorious.net  Fri Sep 24 22:25:36 2004
From: eric at pretorious.net (Eric Pretorious)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:25:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recovering data/virtual-mailman file
In-Reply-To: <200409241312.37774.eric@pretorious.net>
References: <200409241312.37774.eric@pretorious.net>
Message-ID: <200409241325.36659.eric@pretorious.net>

On Friday 24 September 2004 01:12 pm, Eric Pretorious wrote:
>As root I ran bin/genaliases this morning and it emptied my
>data/virtual-mailman file. Is there any way to recover this file? e.g.,
> maybe from the data/virtual-mailman.db?

I'm guessing that there *is* a way - The `bin/list_lists` command returned 
this list...

Admins - Administrators of LHN Accounts
BOD - SMLL Board of Directors
D44-tournaments - District 44 Little League Tournament &amp; General 
Information
Mailman - [no description available]
Presidents - District 44 Presidents, &amp; District Board
SSLL - Sunnyvale Southern General Distribution

...but I'm just a bit gun-shy now.

-- 
Eric P.,
Sunnyvale, CA


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Sep 24 22:26:37 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:26:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP - can't authorize posts - timeout error
In-Reply-To: <9A323E5A-0E57-11D9-AD47-000D93520BFA@macprosolutions.com>
Message-ID: <PC171020040924132637082811dd8f61@msapiro>

Timothy Hagan wrote:

>I am receiving the emails from Mailman telling me that, as 
>administrator, I need to authorize the delivery of a posting. It 
>includes a link (for my convenience) to access the admin web page and 
>approve the posting. However, my browser times out every time I try to 
>link to it. Is there something that could be wrong with my server? Is 
>there a way to approve this posting without going to the web?

Can you visit your list's administrative interface on the web at all
(at something like http://www.example.com/mailman/admin/listname)?

If so, can you follow the link to Tend to pending moderator requests?

In any case, there seems to be a problem in either your web server or
the link in the approval reminder? Without more information, It's hard
to tell what.

If you look carefully at the original notice that you get if
admin_immed_notify is set to Yes, it contains a separate message part
as follows:

--------
Content-Type: message/rfc822
MIME-Version: 1.0

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Subject: confirm 1dd7b67319874179486bc3b4ed9b0d2a11722c96
Sender: test_2-request at example.com
From: test_2-request at example.com

If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact,
Mailman will discard the held message.  Do this if the message is
spam.  If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header
with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting
to the list.  The Approved: header can also appear in the first line
of the body of the reply.
--------

Note that the reply is to the sub-part message, not the whole message.
I.e. it goes to the listname-request address with Subject: confirm ...

If admin_immed_notify is set to No, then you can't approve or deny by
e-mail because you don't have the confirm ... token.

The admin_immed_notify setting is on the list's General Options page.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep 24 22:37:19 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:37:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not going out to list members
In-Reply-To: <BAY12-F24TbdkSmLAzt00001a6f@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY12-F24TbdkSmLAzt00001a6f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06002018bd7a35e35951@[10.0.1.4]>

At 1:00 AM +0000 2004-09-24, Doron Tordjman wrote:

>  I created a list using admin web interface, but members are not
>  receiving messages I am sending to the list.

	Go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and search for 
"troubleshooting" and "no mail".

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep 24 22:39:26 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:39:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Domain in the To: header
In-Reply-To: <p05111a6ebd79a034ac98@10.0.1.2>
References: <p05111a6ebd79a034ac98@10.0.1.2>
Message-ID: <p06002019bd7a36467076@[10.0.1.4]>

At 1:58 PM +0100 2004-09-24, Jolin M Warren wrote:

>  In every case I have checked, this is the address that is being entered
>  into the 'To:' field of the sender's mailer. However, some MTAs seem to
>  be automatically substituting the CNAME for the domain in the To: address,
>  so the email that arrives at my server has the To: address of:

	They are doing so correctly.  This behaviour is required by the 
RFCs.  If you don't want this done, have the name resolve directly to 
the appropriate IP address and not a CNAME alias to a different name.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep 24 22:41:15 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:41:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment
In-Reply-To: <415443EC.4010301@pcraft.com>
References: <415443EC.4010301@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <p0600201abd7a36d29139@[10.0.1.4]>

At 9:57 AM -0600 2004-09-24, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

>     Not sure how to configure and shut this off, but I noticed when
>  someone sends a plain/text formatted e-mail to a list, the footer comes
>  in as part of the message.  However, when someone sends a text/html
>  message, the footer becomes an attachment.

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep 24 22:47:43 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:47:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pacing input
In-Reply-To: <41547249.5010104@bard.edu>
References: <41547249.5010104@bard.edu>
Message-ID: <p0600201cbd7a3825e0db@[10.0.1.4]>

At 3:15 PM -0400 2004-09-24, Stewart Dean wrote:

>  I'm open to any suggestions, but one possibility I envision would be some
>  sort of front end or method that would:

	If this issue can be addressed on your system, that would be 
through the MTA.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.051.htp>.

>  Thanks in advance for any and all help or advice!

	Alternatively, since Mailman is a volunteer open source project, 
you're welcome to contribute code to achieve these goals.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Sep 24 22:52:05 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:52:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP - can't authorize posts -
 timeout error
In-Reply-To: <9A323E5A-0E57-11D9-AD47-000D93520BFA@macprosolutions.com>
References: <9A323E5A-0E57-11D9-AD47-000D93520BFA@macprosolutions.com>
Message-ID: <p0600201dbd7a394824db@[10.0.1.4]>

At 2:28 PM -0400 2004-09-24, Timothy Hagan wrote:

>  I am receiving the emails from Mailman telling me that, as administrator, I
>  need to authorize the delivery of a posting. It includes a link (for my
>  convenience) to access the admin web page and approve the posting. However,
>  my browser times out every time I try to link to it.

	This may be related to the "redirect" problem.  If so, then the 
Mailman FAQ entry at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.045.htp> 
may be useful to you.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From pat at terakeet.net  Sat Sep 25 02:22:50 2004
From: pat at terakeet.net (Patrick Danial)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:22:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to create new lists
Message-ID: <4154BA5A.9020902@terakeet.net>

For some reason I am no longer able to create new lists. The process 
fails with a permission error. Here are the details:


    Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5


      We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy 
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
happened. Thanks!


        Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
    process_request(doc, cgidata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 226, in process_request
    sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 229, in create
    _do_create(mlist, ALIASFILE, _addlist)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 204, in _do_create
    fp = open(textfile, 'r+')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases'

Thanks.

Pat




From mark.lohaus at gmail.com  Sat Sep 25 01:46:57 2004
From: mark.lohaus at gmail.com (Mark Lohaus)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:46:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <c0614bcc040924164659d2f0a2@mail.gmail.com>

I changed my servername after installing the latest Mailman.  I ran a
script in mailman/bin that changed all the servername references and
Mailman has been working fine. Accept for one thing:  on the listinfo
pages, the archives link points to the old server name.  The variable
that controls this is incorrect.  Do you know how I can change to
variable.

Thanks,

Mark


From mark.lohaus at gmail.com  Sat Sep 25 01:52:20 2004
From: mark.lohaus at gmail.com (Mark Lohaus)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:52:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives link on listinfo page points to old server
	name
Message-ID: <c0614bcc04092416522683ac31@mail.gmail.com>

Mailman users,

I changed my servername after installing the latest Mailman.  I ran a
script in mailman/bin that changed all the servername references and
Mailman has been working fine. Accept for one thing:  on the listinfo
pages, the archives link points to the old server name.  The variable
that controls this is incorrect.  Do you know how I can change to
variable.
 
Thanks,
 
Mark


From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 25 02:06:43 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:06:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] topic regep exclude
In-Reply-To: <41537C25.9090303@mosc.com>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409241706430000418c8b0b@msapiro>

Howard Moscovitz wrote:

>In the topic definition form, how can one specify a topic that is only 
>messages that DOES NOT have the string [G2] in it.

see http://docs.python.org/lib/re-syntax.html

I would try

  ^(?!.*\[G2\])

or if case is not significant

  ^(?!.*\[[Gg]2\])

but this is only a suggested starting point. It seems to me that it
should work, but I don't know.

>Is there a way to test regeps without setting up a separte test list?

You could do a few interactive tests with Python or make a script.

For example:

[gpc_ms at clint ~]$ python2.3
Python 2.3.3 (#1, Mar  4 2004, 22:12:33)
[GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96-113)] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import re
>>> m = re.match('^(?!.*\[G2\])', 'now is the time for [G3] to do something')
>>> m.group(0)
''
>>> m = re.match('^(?!.*\[G2\])', 'now is the time for [G2] to do something')
>>> m.group(0)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'group'
>>>
[gpc_ms at clint ~]$

In the first case, the re matches the null character at the beginning
of the line which is followed by not (anything followed by [G2]) so
the match succeeds and the matched string is null.

In the second case, the null character at the start of the string is
followed by (anything followed by [G2]) so the match fails and m.group
is undefined.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 25 02:11:22 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:11:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives link on listinfo page points to old
	servername
In-Reply-To: <c0614bcc04092416522683ac31@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409241711220546418c8d18@msapiro>

Mark Lohaus wrote:
>
>I changed my servername after installing the latest Mailman.  I ran a
>script in mailman/bin that changed all the servername references and
>Mailman has been working fine. Accept for one thing:  on the listinfo
>pages, the archives link points to the old server name.  The variable
>that controls this is incorrect.  Do you know how I can change to
>variable.
> 

Did you read FAQ article 4.29 about fix_url.py?

>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 25 02:21:23 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:21:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to create new lists
In-Reply-To: <4154BA5A.9020902@terakeet.net>
Message-ID: <PC171020040924172123031211dd8d4f@msapiro>

Patrick Danial wrote:

>For some reason I am no longer able to create new lists. The process 
>fails with a permission error. Here are the details:
>
>
>    Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5
>
>
>      We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>
>If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy 
>of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
>happened. Thanks!
>
>
>        Traceback:
>
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>    main()
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
>    process_request(doc, cgidata)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 226, in process_request
>    sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 229, in create
>    _do_create(mlist, ALIASFILE, _addlist)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 204, in _do_create
>    fp = open(textfile, 'r+')
>IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases'
>

It is trying to create the list aliases file for Postfix and doesn't
have permission.

See FAQ article 6.9. for some suggestions.
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From joe at theMezz.com  Sat Sep 25 04:43:15 2004
From: joe at theMezz.com (Joe Mezzanini)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:43:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] command lines via email
Message-ID: <200409242243150483.1BE08366@outgoing.verizon.net>

is there a list of command that can be sent to mailman via email

like (un)subscribe, who, vacation, stop ?

thanks,
joe

 ----------------
URL http://theMezz.com
PGP http://theMezz.com/pgp.txt




From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 25 04:58:07 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:58:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] command lines via email
In-Reply-To: <200409242243150483.1BE08366@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <PC171020040924195807072628a652dd@msapiro>

Joe Mezzanini wrote:

>is there a list of command that can be sent to mailman via email
>
>like (un)subscribe, who, vacation, stop ?

>From the standard welcome to this list message...

You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to:

  [listname]-request at example.com

with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the
quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From dana at rasmussen.us  Sat Sep 25 05:08:41 2004
From: dana at rasmussen.us (Dana Rasmussen)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:08:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail public mailing list archive question
Message-ID: <4154E139.7010608@rasmussen.us>

Hello,

Is it absolutely necessary to configure the web server to point to the Pipermail public archives?

Can this step be skipped?

Thanks,

Dana




From macangels at spamcop.net  Sat Sep 25 13:27:02 2004
From: macangels at spamcop.net (demo)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:27:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email command upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20040925100042.132AD1E400C@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <BD7B1496.3000%macangels@spamcop.net>

Hi

Just some humble feedback on the response message;

This is one area where I find users fall over and die and the complexity of
the response and don't know what to do. [ And it is usually normal users
that are trying to use it to unsubscribe ]. It is very techie.

Little things might help, like a few actual examples, so that something like
[address=<address>] means something to them, and spaces between the " < > "
or " [ ] " so they are not confronted by strange signs. [] looks like a box.

I am not a coder and so cannot help I am afraid but may be an upgrade would
be to autogenerate an email with a series of clickable links that generate
emails that work with the given addresses.

... with unsubscribe *RIGHT* up the top!

Have not worked out where to customise this myself yet but my 2c worth of
thanks,

MA

>> is there a list of command that can be sent to mailman via email
>> like (un)subscribe, who, vacation, stop ?
> 
> You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to:
> 
>   [listname]-request at example.com
> 
> with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the
> quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions.




From vaez at ce.sharif.edu  Sat Sep 25 13:22:49 2004
From: vaez at ce.sharif.edu (vaez at ce.sharif.edu)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:52:49 +0330 (IRST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1400.81.31.169.32.1096111369.squirrel@ce.sharif.edu>

aghaa in javabaa chiye midin


From vaez at ce.sharif.edu  Sat Sep 25 13:23:01 2004
From: vaez at ce.sharif.edu (vaez at ce.sharif.edu)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:53:01 +0330 (IRST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] che javabi!!!!
Message-ID: <1401.81.31.169.32.1096111381.squirrel@ce.sharif.edu>

aghaa in javabaa chiye midin


From macangels at spamcop.net  Sat Sep 25 13:43:14 2004
From: macangels at spamcop.net (demo)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:43:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: more on emails commands
In-Reply-To: <20040925100042.132AD1E400C@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <BD7B1862.300F%macangels@spamcop.net>

One other aside,

When one uses an email command to a list such as;

listname-unsubscribe at lists.domain.com

To a list that is set up announcement only or emergency moderation, the
first thing you get back is the message one has set to say, e.g. " sorry,
only administrators can post to this list ".

*Then* one receives the bounce with instructions on how to unsubscribe.,

Have I missed a setting that would stop admin requests receiving such a
first email or is it just one of those things arising because Mailman is
really not meant to be used as announcement only list?

Thanks,

MA

> From: <mailman-users-request at python.org>
> Reply-To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:00:42 +0200 (CEST)
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 7, Issue 70
> 
> 
>> is there a list of command that can be sent to mailman via email
>> 
>> like (un)subscribe, who, vacation, stop ?




From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sat Sep 25 14:15:57 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:15:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail public mailing list archive
 question
In-Reply-To: <4154E139.7010608@rasmussen.us>
References: <4154E139.7010608@rasmussen.us>
Message-ID: <p06002001bd7b114cc5f9@[10.0.1.4]>

At 8:08 PM -0700 2004-09-24, Dana Rasmussen wrote:

>  Is it absolutely necessary to configure the web server to point to
>  the Pipermail public archives?

	If you want the archives to be accessible, yes.  Since Mailman 
puts a number of headers (and optionally, footers) on the outgoing 
messages which make reference to the archives, you will also break 
those links if you don't allow people to access the archives via the 
web.

>  Can this step be skipped?

	Heck, you can skip just about anything you want.  The question is 
whether or not you are willing to pay the price of doing so.

	You could easily skip breathing, if you wanted.  Of course, you 
wouldn't live too much longer, so the question is whether or not you 
know what the potential consequences are of your actions and whether 
you are willing to pay that price.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sat Sep 25 14:19:24 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:19:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email command upgrade
In-Reply-To: <BD7B1496.3000%macangels@spamcop.net>
References: <BD7B1496.3000%macangels@spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <p06002002bd7b124b01b7@[10.0.1.4]>

At 12:27 PM +0100 2004-09-25, demo wrote:

>  I am not a coder and so cannot help I am afraid but may be an upgrade would
>  be to autogenerate an email with a series of clickable links that generate
>  emails that work with the given addresses.

	Mailman is an open source project, and we would welcome any 
patches you may have that would achieve these goals.

	Alternatively, you can put this on the "wish list" and hope that 
someone, someday, might get around to working on this.  Here is where 
you can post your feature request.
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=350103>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From douglas at brightworks.com  Sat Sep 25 15:06:12 2004
From: douglas at brightworks.com (Douglas McCarroll)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:06:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Option to suppress senders' email addresses?
Message-ID: <41556D44.8010007@brightworks.com>

Hi All,

Is there any way to tell MailMan to display only the sender's name, rather than 
name and email address?

E.g. "Douglas McCarroll" rather than "Douglas McCarroll <douglas at brightworks.com>".

TIA

Douglas



From tim at macprosolutions.com  Sat Sep 25 16:10:07 2004
From: tim at macprosolutions.com (Timothy Hagan)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:10:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Love it . . . but
Message-ID: <9AD8F4EC-0EFC-11D9-B399-000D93520BFA@macprosolutions.com>

My first experience with Mailman was not a good one.

Of course, the issue I first posted to the list can be attributed to 
the fact that web services were not enabled on my OS 10.3 Server. 
However, the first few test posts that I sent to the list went out to 
everyone successfully. Unfortunately, the replies that were sent by 
recipients on the list, however unnecessary, were sent to everyone on 
the list. This caused quite a problem. A great many of the folks on the 
list were excited to see it back in action (we had previously been 
using LetterRIP Pro) but when they received numerous emails from other 
folks on the list, it made them question our ability to host a list.

I had all the users, except myself, set for no-posting to the list, yet 
they were all able to do so.

What did I do wrong?


Tim Hagan
Service Operations
MacPro Solutions, Inc.
8030 West Broad
Richmond, VA 23294
www.macprosolutions.com
804 497-8710
804 497-8712 FAX



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sat Sep 25 15:26:30 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:26:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Option to suppress senders' email
 addresses?
In-Reply-To: <41556D44.8010007@brightworks.com>
References: <41556D44.8010007@brightworks.com>
Message-ID: <p06002005bd7b2275cb98@[10.0.1.4]>

At 9:06 AM -0400 2004-09-25, Douglas McCarroll wrote:

>  Is there any way to tell MailMan to display only the sender's name,
>  rather than name and email address?

	Display this where?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sat Sep 25 16:28:54 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:28:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Love it . . . but
In-Reply-To: <9AD8F4EC-0EFC-11D9-B399-000D93520BFA@macprosolutions.com>
References: <9AD8F4EC-0EFC-11D9-B399-000D93520BFA@macprosolutions.com>
Message-ID: <p06002006bd7b3074134c@[10.0.1.4]>

At 10:10 AM -0400 2004-09-25, Timothy Hagan wrote:

>  I had all the users, except myself, set for no-posting to the list,
>  yet they were all able to do so.
>
>  What did I do wrong?

	Did you go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and read all the entries 
found by searching for "one-way"?


	Also, are you using MacOS X 10.3 Server with the Apple-provided 
version of Mailman, or MacOS X 10.3 client with the open source 
version?

	You may be interested to to to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and read all entries 
returned by searching for "macos x".

	Please understand, I'm a MacFanatic myself.  I don't like having 
to say negative things about them, but Apple leaves us no choice.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From tim at macprosolutions.com  Sat Sep 25 16:41:52 2004
From: tim at macprosolutions.com (Timothy Hagan)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:41:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Love it . . . but
In-Reply-To: <p06002006bd7b3074134c@[10.0.1.4]>
References: <9AD8F4EC-0EFC-11D9-B399-000D93520BFA@macprosolutions.com>
	<p06002006bd7b3074134c@[10.0.1.4]>
Message-ID: <0A30D2E1-0F01-11D9-B399-000D93520BFA@macprosolutions.com>

Wow. That wasn't what I was hoping to hear. I guess this is what 
happens when you try to use the built-in features and trusting that the 
GUI setup is going to do what you say.

Thanks for the help Brad. I am consulting the FAQs as I write this.

On Sep 25, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 10:10 AM -0400 2004-09-25, Timothy Hagan wrote:
>
>>  I had all the users, except myself, set for no-posting to the list,
>>  yet they were all able to do so.
>>
>>  What did I do wrong?
>
> 	Did you go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and read all the entries 
> found by searching for "one-way"?
>
>
> 	Also, are you using MacOS X 10.3 Server with the Apple-provided 
> version of Mailman, or MacOS X 10.3 client with the open source 
> version?
>
> 	You may be interested to to to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and read all entries 
> returned by searching for "macos x".
>
> 	Please understand, I'm a MacFanatic myself.  I don't like having to 
> say negative things about them, but Apple leaves us no choice.
>
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
>
> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
>
>     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
>     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755
>
>   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>
>
Tim Hagan
Service Operations
MacPro Solutions, Inc.
8030 West Broad
Richmond, VA 23294
www.macprosolutions.com
804 497-8710
804 497-8712 FAX



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 25 16:43:17 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 07:43:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade question
In-Reply-To: <415447F7.1060506@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409250743170203d1a30d3c@Notebook>

Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>
>    Having moved from mailman 2.0.11 to 2.1.5, I'm left with a few 
>questions:
>
>    1) What, if anything, do I need to do to make sure the old lists 
>work with the new mailman?  When I installed 2.1.5, it told me that it 
>checked/fixed/converted lists at the very end of the installation.  Does 
>that mean I'm all done, and I don't have to do anything else with the 
>list files?

Visit the FAQ at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and read
article 3.38.


>    2) Paths also changed when I upgraded.  The previous installation 
>was in /usr/people/mailman, and it's now in /home/mailman.  Presumably, 
>all the lists are still assuming they're using the old path.  What needs 
>to be done to get that solved?

Search the FAQ for fix_url

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 25 17:05:22 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:05:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email command upgrade
In-Reply-To: <BD7B1496.3000%macangels@spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409250805220468ba53132a@msapiro>

demo wrote:
>
>Just some humble feedback on the response message;
>
>This is one area where I find users fall over and die and the complexity of
>the response and don't know what to do. [ And it is usually normal users
>that are trying to use it to unsubscribe ]. It is very techie.
>
>Little things might help, like a few actual examples, so that something like
>[address=<address>] means something to them, and spaces between the " < > "
>or " [ ] " so they are not confronted by strange signs. [] looks like a box.
>
>I am not a coder and so cannot help I am afraid but may be an upgrade would
>be to autogenerate an email with a series of clickable links that generate
>emails that work with the given addresses.
>
>.... with unsubscribe *RIGHT* up the top!
>
>Have not worked out where to customise this myself yet but my 2c worth of
>thanks,
>

The help response is the help.txt file in the appropriate locale
directory in the templates directory.

One reason these are templates is to enable site specific changes to
meet site needs. You can edit these templates and a future update will
not overlay your changes.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 25 17:52:02 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:52:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Option to suppress senders' email addresses?
In-Reply-To: <41556D44.8010007@brightworks.com>
Message-ID: <PC17102004092508520207340db9e860@msapiro>

Douglas McCarroll wrote:
>
>Is there any way to tell MailMan to display only the sender's name, rather than 
>name and email address?
>
>E.g. "Douglas McCarroll" rather than "Douglas McCarroll <douglas at brightworks.com>".
>

I am guessing you mean in the From: header of outgoing posts. Aside
from the fact that this would violate the standard for mail messages
(RFC 2822), there's no way to do this in Mailman short of hacking the
Python code. And, what do you do about a message whose From: header
contains only an e-mail address?

Another option if your Mailman is set to validate list membership based
on envelope from rather than From: (USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = Yes in
mm_cfg.py) is the users, depending on their MUA, may be able to set
their own From: for posting to the list to something like "Douglas
McCarroll <>".

You can make your list anonymous (anonymous_list = Yes on the General
Options page) which puts the list rather than the sender in From:,
etc. headers. Then posters can sign their posts and provide as much or
as little info as they want.

However, if you're really concerned about hiding e-mail addresses in
any of these cases, you'd also have to do something about Received:
headers in incoming posts as they can reveal things like the IP
address, domain and in some cases even the address of the sender.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 25 18:24:11 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:24:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email command upgrade
In-Reply-To: <PC1710200409250805220468ba53132a@msapiro>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409250924110531c38595fe@msapiro>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>One reason these are templates is to enable site specific changes to
>meet site needs. You can edit these templates and a future update will
>not overlay your changes.
>

Clarification: The last sentence above applies if you are upgrading
from source. I have no idea what will happen with Apple or other
vendor supplied package upgrades.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From macangels at spamcop.net  Sat Sep 25 20:28:17 2004
From: macangels at spamcop.net (demo)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 19:28:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pretty good Announcement only How-to + more on Mac
In-Reply-To: <20040925144206.A37C71E400B@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <BD7B7751.3018%macangels@spamcop.net>

As it comes  up often [ and I've only been here a few weeks ], there is also
a pretty good Announcement only How-to here :

http://www.modwest.com/help/kb13-195.html

> Please understand, I'm a MacFanatic myself.  I don't like having
> to say negative things about them, but Apple leaves us no choice.

Please understand, I'm a MacFanatic myself and I'll join the chorus on this
one!

Just out of interest, have Apple actually put anything back *into* your
development community?

Looking into the future, you might want to hive off a lost-Mac-tech-mailman
list ... My guess is that there are going to be a whole load of lost souls
headed this way as, in my experience, Apple is telling folk " they don't
support Mailman ".

MA




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Sat Sep 25 20:45:52 2004
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:45:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pretty good Announcement only How-to + more on Mac
In-Reply-To: <BD7B7751.3018%macangels@spamcop.net>
References: <BD7B7751.3018%macangels@spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <209B29A9-0F23-11D9-ADC8-000D93C23532@plaidworks.com>


On Sep 25, 2004, at 11:28 AM, demo wrote:

> Just out of interest, have Apple actually put anything back *into* your
> development community?
>
> Looking into the future, you might want to hive off a 
> lost-Mac-tech-mailman
> list ... My guess is that there are going to be a whole load of lost 
> souls
> headed this way as, in my experience, Apple is telling folk " they 
> don't
> support Mailman ".
>

Um, Apple has supported Mailman for years. They pay my salary, and have 
fully supported me in putting my time and energy into this project.

But lets not let facts stand in front of a good rant.




From msapiro at value.net  Sat Sep 25 21:04:26 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:04:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pretty good Announcement only How-to + more on Mac
In-Reply-To: <BD7B7751.3018%macangels@spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <PC17102004092512042601259972eeb7@msapiro>

demo wrote:

>As it comes  up often [ and I've only been here a few weeks ], there is also
>a pretty good Announcement only How-to here :
>
>http://www.modwest.com/help/kb13-195.html
>

The FAQ article at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp
may not be as easy to read, but I think it's more complete. The method
in the modwest article requires administrator action to delete
unauthorized posts. The FAQ suggests rejecting them with a polite
message and using an Approved: header to post to the list, which I
think is much cleaner and doesn't leave pending requests.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sat Sep 25 21:59:26 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:59:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pretty good Announcement only How-to + more on Mac
In-Reply-To: <209B29A9-0F23-11D9-ADC8-000D93C23532@plaidworks.com>
References: <BD7B7751.3018%macangels@spamcop.net>
	<209B29A9-0F23-11D9-ADC8-000D93C23532@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <p06002007bd7b79c94333@[10.0.1.4]>

At 11:45 AM -0700 2004-09-25, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:

>  Um, Apple has supported Mailman for years. They pay my salary, and have
>  fully supported me in putting my time and energy into this project.

	The problem is that there are different groups within Apple. 
There's the group you're a part of, and which has been a strong 
supporter of Mailman for a long time.  Then there's the group that is 
responsible for developing and supporting MacOS X Server (a separate 
product from the regular MacOS X "Client").

	Unfortunately, the latter group is well-known to effectively 
ignore support requests, even from customers paying thousands upon 
thousands of dollars per year in support contracts.  Their answer for 
many problems is to wipe and re-install, even if the real problem is 
a simple mis-configuration that can be corrected through the custom 
GUI that they have developed -- and if you won't or can't afford to 
apply their Universal Solution for All Problems, then they simply 
disconnect you and refuse to provide any further support.

	Moreover, it is this latter group which has taken the Mailman 
code and developed their own custom management GUI, and who refuse to 
provide any feedback to the Mailman project as to what they've done 
or how any of their bits interface with ours.

	Since they refuse to provide any real support for MacOS X Server 
with respect to Mailman, and they don't provide us the information we 
would need so that we could provide that support, we are left in an 
untenable situation.


	The Mailman project is not the only group to be put in such a bad 
situation by the MacOS X Server development/support team.  I've heard 
these complaints from other projects, too.


	Now, if you could use your position there to help break this 
logjam, that would be great.  However, given what I've heard from 
other Apple employees about their previous encounters with regards to 
this situation and their own inability to get support from the MacOS 
X Server development/support team, I doubt that is likely to be 
successful.

	Unfortunately, this puts you in an even worse position.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Sat Sep 25 23:41:50 2004
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:41:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pretty good Announcement only How-to + more on Mac
In-Reply-To: <p06002007bd7b79c94333@[10.0.1.4]>
References: <BD7B7751.3018%macangels@spamcop.net>
	<209B29A9-0F23-11D9-ADC8-000D93C23532@plaidworks.com>
	<p06002007bd7b79c94333@[10.0.1.4]>
Message-ID: <B56E37EC-0F3B-11D9-ADC8-000D93C23532@plaidworks.com>

um, I happen to know those folks pretty well. They're as responsive as 
they can be, given they have the same kind of restrictions we all do 
(even here in Mailman-land): can't do everything for everyone, because 
there isn't enough resource, and not everything ought to be done.

won't speak for them, but I will defend them on this. They care as much 
about their stuff as Brad does about his...


On Sep 25, 2004, at 12:59 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:

>  Then there's the group that is responsible for developing and 
> supporting MacOS X Server (a separate product from the regular MacOS X 
> "Client").
>
> 	Unfortunately, the latter group is well-known to effectively ignore 
> support requests, even from customers paying thousands upon thousands 
> of dollars per year in support contracts. 



From h at mosc.com  Sun Sep 26 05:37:59 2004
From: h at mosc.com (Howard Moscovitz)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:37:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] topic regep exclude
In-Reply-To: <PC1710200409241706430000418c8b0b@msapiro>
References: <PC1710200409241706430000418c8b0b@msapiro>
Message-ID: <41563997.2090806@mosc.com>

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Howard Moscovitz wrote:
>
>  
>
>>In the topic definition form, how can one specify a topic that is only 
>>messages that DOES NOT have the string [G2] in it.
>>    
>>
>
>see http://docs.python.org/lib/re-syntax.html
>
>I would try
>
>  ^(?!.*\[G2\])
>
>or if case is not significant
>
>  ^(?!.*\[[Gg]2\])
>
>but this is only a suggested starting point. It seems to me that it
>should work, but I don't know.
>
>  
>
>>Is there a way to test regeps without setting up a separte test list?
>>    
>>
>
>You could do a few interactive tests with Python or make a script.
>
>For example:
>
>[gpc_ms at clint ~]$ python2.3
>Python 2.3.3 (#1, Mar  4 2004, 22:12:33)
>[GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96-113)] on linux2
>Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>  
>
>>>>import re
>>>>m = re.match('^(?!.*\[G2\])', 'now is the time for [G3] to do something')
>>>>m.group(0)
>>>>        
>>>>
>''
>  
>
>>>>m = re.match('^(?!.*\[G2\])', 'now is the time for [G2] to do something')
>>>>m.group(0)
>>>>        
>>>>
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
>AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'group'
>  
>
>[gpc_ms at clint ~]$
>
>In the first case, the re matches the null character at the beginning
>of the line which is followed by not (anything followed by [G2]) so
>the match succeeds and the matched string is null.
>
>In the second case, the null character at the start of the string is
>followed by (anything followed by [G2]) so the match fails and m.group
>is undefined.
>  
>
Well, I was able to duplicate this result using Python on my computeras 
you suggested, thank you. I put that regep in the topic filter and 
people who have selected that topic are still getting messages with [G2] 
in the subject. Do you have to put the regep in quotes, single or 
double, on the admin form?

--Howard




From douglas at brightworks.com  Sun Sep 26 15:59:30 2004
From: douglas at brightworks.com (Douglas McCarroll)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 09:59:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Option to suppress senders' email addresses?
In-Reply-To: <p06002005bd7b2275cb98@[10.0.1.4]>
References: <41556D44.8010007@brightworks.com>
	<p06002005bd7b2275cb98@[10.0.1.4]>
Message-ID: <4156CB42.5040800@brightworks.com>

Brad and Mark,

Thanks for your responses!


Brad,

>     Display this where?

My goal is to hide the sender's email address, in all places, to prevent harvest
by spammers.


Mark,

> You can make your list anonymous (anonymous_list = Yes on the General
> Options page) which puts the list rather than the sender in From:,
> etc. headers. Then posters can sign their posts and provide as much or
> as little info as they want.

I like this option.

> However, if you're really concerned about hiding e-mail addresses in
> any of these cases, you'd also have to do something about Received:
> headers in incoming posts as they can reveal things like the IP
> address, domain and in some cases even the address of the sender.

Even with the anonymous function? You may not be the right person to address
this question to, but I can't help but wonder why a program like MailMan
couldn't simply create a new email and copy only subject and body. The email
would be from the MailMan program and only have Received headers created in its
transit from the MailMan server to list recipients....

Douglas





















From msapiro at value.net  Sun Sep 26 18:10:39 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 09:10:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Option to suppress senders' email addresses?
In-Reply-To: <4156CB42.5040800@brightworks.com>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409260910390046fe60e035@msapiro>

Douglas McCarroll wrote:
>
>Brad,
>
>>     Display this where?
>
>My goal is to hide the sender's email address, in all places, to prevent harvest
>by spammers.
>
>
>Mark,
>
>> You can make your list anonymous (anonymous_list = Yes on the General
>> Options page) which puts the list rather than the sender in From:,
>> etc. headers. Then posters can sign their posts and provide as much or
>> as little info as they want.
>
>I like this option.
>
>> However, if you're really concerned about hiding e-mail addresses in
>> any of these cases, you'd also have to do something about Received:
>> headers in incoming posts as they can reveal things like the IP
>> address, domain and in some cases even the address of the sender.
>
>Even with the anonymous function? You may not be the right person to address
>this question to, but I can't help but wonder why a program like MailMan
>couldn't simply create a new email and copy only subject and body. The email
>would be from the MailMan program and only have Received headers created in its
>transit from the MailMan server to list recipients....

You're right in my case. I'm not the person to address this to. If you
want this option, the Mailman-developers list might be a better place
to discuss it.

See http://www.list.org/todo.html for the current wish list.

See http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=350103 to view
and submit feature requests.

I wonder though if any of this is necessary. Given that the ability to
discern an original poster's e-mail address from Received: headers at
all depends on the poster's configuration and outgoing MTA and even
when an address is discernable, it may not be all together. I.e. one
header may say Received: from user at localhost and another may say
Received: from localhost by example.com and these have to be put
together to get user at example.com. Of course, some MTA's do put a note
like "envelope sender user at example.com" in the Received: header making
it easier in those cases. Note that in the case of most email sent by
me, it is possible to guess a valid e-mail address for me from the
initial Received: header, but only because the name of the machine I
use most happens to be the same as my userid at my ISP.

Anyway, given the above unreliability of getting even a single e-mail
address from Received: headers in a post, would a spammer even bother
to subscribe to a list in order to try to get addresses this way. I
wouldn't think that even a robot could earn it's keep in this way.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sun Sep 26 18:34:48 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 09:34:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Option to suppress senders' email addresses?
In-Reply-To: <PC1710200409260910390046fe60e035@msapiro>
Message-ID: <PC171020040926093448006294b8b90e@msapiro>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>I wonder though if any of this is necessary.

Just as a point of clarification, you may wonder why I seem to be
minimizing the importance of discernable e-mail addresses in Received:
headers when I'm the one who raised the issue in the first place.

Originally, I thought you wanted to hide e-mail addresses from other
list members to avoid them sending off-list flames, etc. This is a
different issue from spam harvesting.

The more I think of this though, the more I think it would be
appropriate for Mailman to drop the incoming Received: headers from
posts to an anonymous list. Why preserve the trace of how a post got
from source to list when you want to make the source anonymous?

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From douglas at brightworks.com  Sun Sep 26 19:06:24 2004
From: douglas at brightworks.com (Douglas McCarroll)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 13:06:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Option to suppress senders' email addresses?
In-Reply-To: <PC171020040926093448006294b8b90e@msapiro>
References: <PC171020040926093448006294b8b90e@msapiro>
Message-ID: <4156F710.10703@brightworks.com>

 > The more I think of this though, the more I think it would be
 > appropriate for Mailman to drop the incoming Received: headers from
 > posts to an anonymous list. Why preserve the trace of how a post got
 > from source to list when you want to make the source anonymous?

Precisely.  :)

Do you know for a fact that MailMan forwards these headers in anonymous lists?



Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Mark Sapiro wrote:
> 
>>I wonder though if any of this is necessary.
> 
> 
> Just as a point of clarification, you may wonder why I seem to be
> minimizing the importance of discernable e-mail addresses in Received:
> headers when I'm the one who raised the issue in the first place.
> 
> Originally, I thought you wanted to hide e-mail addresses from other
> list members to avoid them sending off-list flames, etc. This is a
> different issue from spam harvesting.
> 
> The more I think of this though, the more I think it would be
> appropriate for Mailman to drop the incoming Received: headers from
> posts to an anonymous list. Why preserve the trace of how a post got
> from source to list when you want to make the source anonymous?
> 
> --
> Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 
> 
> 



From msapiro at value.net  Sun Sep 26 19:33:22 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 10:33:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Option to suppress senders' email addresses?
In-Reply-To: <4156F710.10703@brightworks.com>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409261033220156180d6ed2@msapiro>

Douglas McCarroll wrote:

> > The more I think of this though, the more I think it would be
> > appropriate for Mailman to drop the incoming Received: headers from
> > posts to an anonymous list. Why preserve the trace of how a post got
> > from source to list when you want to make the source anonymous?
>
>Precisely.  :)
>
>Do you know for a fact that MailMan forwards these headers in anonymous lists?
>

Before posting the above, I tested this on Mailman 2.1.4, and it
doesn't remove any Received: headers on anonymous lists. I don't know
for sure about 2.1.5 without looking at code changes, but there's no
mention of any change in the 2.1.5 NEWS file.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Sun Sep 26 19:36:03 2004
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:36:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Option to suppress senders' email addresses?
In-Reply-To: <PC1710200409261033220156180d6ed2@msapiro>
References: <PC1710200409261033220156180d6ed2@msapiro>
Message-ID: <8A066641-0FE2-11D9-81A6-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>


On Sep 26, 2004, at 12:33 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> Before posting the above, I tested this on Mailman 2.1.4, and it
> doesn't remove any Received: headers on anonymous lists. I don't know
> for sure about 2.1.5 without looking at code changes, but there's no
> mention of any change in the 2.1.5 NEWS file.


I checked it on 2.1.5 with the same results.

Dan



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sun Sep 26 19:27:55 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:27:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Option to suppress senders' email
 addresses?
In-Reply-To: <4156CB42.5040800@brightworks.com>
References: <41556D44.8010007@brightworks.com>
	<p06002005bd7b2275cb98@[10.0.1.4]>
	<4156CB42.5040800@brightworks.com>
Message-ID: <p0600200abd7cabddffe5@[10.0.1.4]>

At 9:59 AM -0400 2004-09-26, Douglas McCarroll wrote:

>  Even with the anonymous function? You may not be the right person to address
>  this question to, but I can't help but wonder why a program like MailMan
>  couldn't simply create a new email and copy only subject and body.

	This sort of thing would make it much more difficult to debug 
certain types of mail problems.  Been there, done that.


	That said, if you really want to take this kind of risk with your 
mail servers and your users, the code to do this sort of thing 
doesn't exist with Mailman today.  If you want to contribute code to 
perform this kind of function, you're free to make that submission.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sun Sep 26 19:30:29 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:30:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Option to suppress senders' email
 addresses?
In-Reply-To: <PC171020040926093448006294b8b90e@msapiro>
References: <PC171020040926093448006294b8b90e@msapiro>
Message-ID: <p0600200bbd7cacc43609@[10.0.1.4]>

At 9:34 AM -0700 2004-09-26, Mark Sapiro wrote:

>  The more I think of this though, the more I think it would be
>  appropriate for Mailman to drop the incoming Received: headers from
>  posts to an anonymous list. Why preserve the trace of how a post got
>  from source to list when you want to make the source anonymous?

	This makes it much more difficult to debug certain types of mail 
problems, including bounces and multiple deliveries of the same 
message, etc....

	Trust me, you really don't want to go there.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sun Sep 26 20:33:48 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:33:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Option to suppress senders' email 
 addresses?
In-Reply-To: <p0600200bbd7cacc43609@[10.0.1.4]>
References: <PC171020040926093448006294b8b90e@msapiro>
	<p0600200bbd7cacc43609@[10.0.1.4]>
Message-ID: <p0600200cbd7cba7e6db8@[10.0.1.4]>

At 7:30 PM +0200 2004-09-26, Brad Knowles quoted Mark Sapiro:

>>   The more I think of this though, the more I think it would be
>>   appropriate for Mailman to drop the incoming Received: headers from
>>   posts to an anonymous list. Why preserve the trace of how a post got
>>   from source to list when you want to make the source anonymous?
>
>  	This makes it much more difficult to debug certain types of mail
>  problems, including bounces and multiple deliveries of the same
>  message, etc....

	Besides, you have to sanitize more than just the "Received:" 
headers.  All sorts of other headers might also expose personal 
information.  You'd have to sanitize all headers, and copy over only 
the message body and subject lines.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From douglas at brightworks.com  Sun Sep 26 21:07:25 2004
From: douglas at brightworks.com (Douglas McCarroll)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:07:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Option to suppress senders' email addresses?
In-Reply-To: <p0600200abd7cabddffe5@[10.0.1.4]>
References: <41556D44.8010007@brightworks.com>
	<p06002005bd7b2275cb98@[10.0.1.4]>
	<4156CB42.5040800@brightworks.com>
	<p0600200abd7cabddffe5@[10.0.1.4]>
Message-ID: <4157136D.4090907@brightworks.com>

Thanks to all of you who have responded. I'm concluding that I can live with 
current "anonymous" functionality.  :)



From msapiro at value.net  Sun Sep 26 21:11:37 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:11:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Option to suppress senders' email addresses?
In-Reply-To: <p0600200cbd7cba7e6db8@[10.0.1.4]>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409261211370031355c3e24@msapiro>

Brad Knowles wrote:

>At 7:30 PM +0200 2004-09-26, Brad Knowles quoted Mark Sapiro:
>
>>>   The more I think of this though, the more I think it would be
>>>   appropriate for Mailman to drop the incoming Received: headers from
>>>   posts to an anonymous list. Why preserve the trace of how a post got
>>>   from source to list when you want to make the source anonymous?
>>
>>  	This makes it much more difficult to debug certain types of mail
>>  problems, including bounces and multiple deliveries of the same
>>  message, etc....
>
>	Besides, you have to sanitize more than just the "Received:" 
>headers.  All sorts of other headers might also expose personal 
>information.  You'd have to sanitize all headers, and copy over only 
>the message body and subject lines.

It appears that Cleanse.py already does a pretty good job of this
including even a few known X- headers, although nothing removes
addresses from To: and Cc: which could be an issue I suppose. Also,
there could be any number of other X- headers that could contain
anything.

If I were implementing this, which I'm not, I would add a new variable
"ANONYMOUS_REMOVE_RECEIVED_HEADERS = No" in Defaults.py with comments
indicating the issues with turning it on, and in Cleanse.py I would
add to the anonymous_list processing, removal of received headers
conditional on the above new variable.

If you were going to take the "keep only these" approach rather than
the "delete these" approach, you'd have to keep more than Subject:.
You'd also need to keep  Mime-Version:, Content-Type:
Content-Transfer-Encoding: and probably Message-Id: (although this may
reveal the originating domain), In-Reply-To: (for proper archive
threading), References: and Date:.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sun Sep 26 21:23:36 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:23:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] topic regep exclude
In-Reply-To: <41563997.2090806@mosc.com>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409261223360750eb27ef52@msapiro>

Howard Moscovitz wrote:

>Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>>Howard Moscovitz wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>>In the topic definition form, how can one specify a topic that is only 
>>>messages that DOES NOT have the string [G2] in it.
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>see http://docs.python.org/lib/re-syntax.html
>>
>>I would try
>>
>>  ^(?!.*\[G2\])
>>
>>or if case is not significant
>>
>>  ^(?!.*\[[Gg]2\])
>>
>>but this is only a suggested starting point. It seems to me that it
>>should work, but I don't know.
>>
<snip>
>>  
>>
>Well, I was able to duplicate this result using Python on my computeras 
>you suggested, thank you. I put that regep in the topic filter and 
>people who have selected that topic are still getting messages with [G2] 
>in the subject. Do you have to put the regep in quotes, single or 
>double, on the admin form?

As far as I know, you don't need to quote the regexp in the topic
definition, but I don't actually use topics on any list, and when I've
played with topics on a test list, I haven't gotten even simple cases
to work.

Thus, someone else with experience with topics needs to answer this.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Sun Sep 26 21:36:06 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:36:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Option to suppress senders' email  addresses?
In-Reply-To: <p0600200cbd7cba7e6db8@[10.0.1.4]>
References: <PC171020040926093448006294b8b90e@msapiro>
	<p0600200bbd7cacc43609@[10.0.1.4]>
	<p0600200cbd7cba7e6db8@[10.0.1.4]>
Message-ID: <4F16DE14-0FF3-11D9-BFDB-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>

My 2 cents.

This thread smacks of trying to adapt Mailman to be an anonymising  
remailer and I am not sure that is a suitable objective.

Brad is right in saying that suppressing all information alluding to  
the originator of a posting requires gutting the message of a fair  
number of headers of value in dealing with mail problems. Not just  
From: and Received: but Message-id: and others have to go.

As regards spammers acquiring email addresses to target, list archives  
are probably a bigger target. A while back (MM 2.1.3) I took a punt at  
some fairly aggressive measures to limit harvesting of email addresses  
from Mailman list archives. The patch works but I have no idea if any  
people found it of interest. See:

https://sourceforge.net/tracker/? 
func=detail&aid=850805&group_id=103&atid=300103

On 26 Sep 2004, at 19:33, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 7:30 PM +0200 2004-09-26, Brad Knowles quoted Mark Sapiro:
>
>>>   The more I think of this though, the more I think it would be
>>>   appropriate for Mailman to drop the incoming Received: headers from
>>>   posts to an anonymous list. Why preserve the trace of how a post  
>>> got
>>>   from source to list when you want to make the source anonymous?
>>
>>  	This makes it much more difficult to debug certain types of mail
>>  problems, including bounces and multiple deliveries of the same
>>  message, etc....
>
> 	Besides, you have to sanitize more than just the "Received:" headers.  
>  All sorts of other headers might also expose personal information.   
> You'd have to sanitize all headers, and copy over only the message  
> body and subject lines.
>
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
>
> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
>
>     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
>     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755
>
>   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sun Sep 26 21:47:51 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:47:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Option to suppress senders' email
 addresses?
In-Reply-To: <PC1710200409261211370031355c3e24@msapiro>
References: <PC1710200409261211370031355c3e24@msapiro>
Message-ID: <p0600200dbd7cccc5b634@[10.0.1.4]>

At 12:11 PM -0700 2004-09-26, Mark Sapiro wrote:

>  If you were going to take the "keep only these" approach rather than
>  the "delete these" approach, you'd have to keep more than Subject:.

	If you're going to be serious about anonymizing something, you 
have no choice but to strip everything but certain specific headers 
that you know to be clean.

>  You'd also need to keep  Mime-Version:, Content-Type:
>  Content-Transfer-Encoding: and probably Message-Id: (although this may
>  reveal the originating domain), In-Reply-To: (for proper archive
>  threading), References: and Date:.

	You would certainly have to remove "Message-Id:" and regenerate 
locally on the anonymizing mail server.  I'd have to talk to certain 
people I know in the anonymous remailer community to see which others 
would also have to be removed, and find out the reasoning behind that.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From eric at pretorious.net  Sun Sep 26 22:10:31 2004
From: eric at pretorious.net (Eric Pretorious)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 13:10:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recovering the virtual-mailman file
Message-ID: <200409261310.31448.eric@pretorious.net>

Hello, All:

I ran `bin/genaliases` this morning and it emptied my 
data/virtual-mailman file. Is there any way to recover this file? e.g., maybe 
from the data/virtual-mailman.db file?

-- 
Eric P.,
Sunnyvale, CA


From bescher at rsegroup.com  Mon Sep 27 04:12:35 2004
From: bescher at rsegroup.com (Bob Escher)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:12:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems and errors messages
References: <200409261310.31448.eric@pretorious.net>
Message-ID: <007201c4a437$75bec690$43c12145@rsegroup.com>

Hello Everyone I am running mailman on a
redhat box with xmail as my mail server
today the following happened
I got a email from the client saying she got this when she logged
onto mailman

then about 20 minutes later I got this message
in the root logwatch from redhat


First is the the mailman message then the 
logwatch file
I rebboted the system and it seems to be fine
now.

Thanks 
Bob Escher


Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!

Traceback:


Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 80, in run_main
pkg = __import__('Mailman.Cgi', globals(), locals(), [scriptname])
File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 27, in ?
from Mailman import MailList
File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 49, in ?
from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver
File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in ?
from Archiver import *
File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 31, in ?
from Mailman import Mailbox
File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 24, in ?
from email.Parser import Parser
File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 12, in ?
from email import Message
EOFError: EOF read where object expected




Python information:

Variable
Value

sys.version
2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) [GCC 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux
3.2.2-4)]

sys.executable
/usr/bin/python

sys.prefix
/usr

sys.exec_prefix
/usr

sys.path
/usr

sys.platform
linux2

Environment variables:

Variable
Value

PYTHONPATH
/usr/local/mailman

SCRIPT_FILENAME
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo

SERVER_SOFTWARE
Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux)

SERVER_ADMIN
bescher at rsegroup.com

SCRIPT_NAME
/mailman/listinfo

SERVER_SIGNATURE
Apache/2.0.40 Server at list.furrykids.net Port 80

REQUEST_METHOD
GET

HTTP_HOST
list.furrykids.net

PATH_INFO
/tips_and_news

SERVER_PROTOCOL
HTTP/1.1

QUERY_STRING

REQUEST_URI
/mailman/listinfo/tips_and_news

HTTP_ACCEPT
*/*

PATH_TRANSLATED
/var/www/html/tips_and_news

HTTP_USER_AGENT
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/125.5 (KHTML, like
Gecko) Safari/125.9

HTTP_CONNECTION
keep-alive

SERVER_NAME
list.furrykids.net

REMOTE_ADDR
141.156.167.239

REMOTE_PORT
49616

HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE
en, ja;q=0.92, ja-jp;q=0.96, fr;q=0.88, de-de;q=0.85, de;q=0.81, es;q=0.77,
it-it;q=0.73, it;q=0.69, nl-nl;q=0.65, nl;q=0.62, sv-se;q=0.58, sv;q=0.54,
no-no;q=0.50, no;q=0.46, da-dk;q=0.42, da;q=0.38, fi-fi;q=0.35, fi;q=0.31

SERVER_ADDR
69.33.193.71

SERVER_PORT
80

GATEWAY_INTERFACE
CGI/1.1

HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING
gzip, deflate;q=1.0, identity;q=0.5, *;q=0

UNIQUE_ID
kZWGSUUhwUcAAAkFBf4AAAAH

DOCUMENT_ROOT
/var/www/html

>
> > >
> > ################### LogWatch 4.3.1 (01/13/03) ####################
> >        Processing Initiated: Sun Sep 26 09:12:41 2004
> >        Date Range Processed: yesterday
> >      Detail Level of Output: 0
> >           Logfiles for Host: smtp.rsegroup.com
> >  ################################################################
> >
> >  --------------------- Cron Begin ------------------------ 
> >
> > **Unmatched Entries**
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 671 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
> > MAIL (mailed 269 bytes of output but got status 0x0043 )
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From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Mon Sep 27 07:22:05 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:22:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems and errors messages
In-Reply-To: <007201c4a437$75bec690$43c12145@rsegroup.com>
References: <200409261310.31448.eric@pretorious.net>
	<007201c4a437$75bec690$43c12145@rsegroup.com>
Message-ID: <p06002000bd7d53a45288@[10.0.1.4]>

At 9:12 PM -0500 2004-09-26, Bob Escher wrote:

>  Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5

	[ ... deletia ... ]

>  Python information:
>
>  Variable
>  Value
>
>  sys.version
>  2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) [GCC 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux
>  3.2.2-4)]

	Well, I don't know if this is the cause of your problem, but 
Mailman 2.1.5 requires Python 2.3 or later.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.008.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From jens.andersson at teleservice.net  Mon Sep 27 11:38:52 2004
From: jens.andersson at teleservice.net (Jens Andersson)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:38:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization of results. add, del user etc
Message-ID: <93D08C62CD3A254EAC51E4486063E9089AF2DA@nog.internal.teleservice.net>

Is it possible to customize all results in the latest release?
Today we're running 2.1.3.

In our release we can only change:

General list information page 
Subscribe results page 
User specific options page 

// Jens


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Mon Sep 27 16:04:38 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:04:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization of results. add, del
 user etc
In-Reply-To: <93D08C62CD3A254EAC51E4486063E9089AF2DA@nog.internal.teleservice.n
	et>
References: <93D08C62CD3A254EAC51E4486063E9089AF2DA@nog.internal.teleservice.n
	et>
Message-ID: <p06002007bd7dce340c5b@[10.0.1.4]>

At 11:38 AM +0200 2004-09-27, Jens Andersson wrote:

>  Is it possible to customize all results in the latest release?

	All results?  What do you mean?

	All web pages, maybe?  If so, then go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard 
at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and search for 
"customize".

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From dist-list at LEXUM.UMontreal.CA  Mon Sep 27 16:05:30 2004
From: dist-list at LEXUM.UMontreal.CA (Frederic Medery)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:05:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] move mailman to another server + upgrade version
Message-ID: <41581E2A.3000401@lexum.umontreal.ca>

Hello everybody,

I have mailman on server1 (version 2.1.3).
I need to move mailman to another (faster) server and in the same time, 
upgrading to the latest mailman version (2.1.5).

So I moved my /var/mailman from server1 to server2 and then I compiled + 
installed mailman latest version (in the directory). The prob is the 
mailman welcome page (server2/mailman/listinfo) do not see my mailing 
lists but i go to server2/mailman/listinfo/my_list I can see it.

How-can "update" my welcome page ?

Thanks !

-- 
Frederic Medery
System Administrator

LexUM, University of Montreal



From dhollis at AandOConsultancy.ltd.uk  Mon Sep 27 16:49:59 2004
From: dhollis at AandOConsultancy.ltd.uk (David J.B.Hollis)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:49:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Settings for an Announcements List
Message-ID: <818379AF-1094-11D9-8422-000393104B36@AandOConsultancy.ltd.uk>

What would be the default settings for a 1-way list for announcements?

I would want to set the list up so that the moderator, who may not be a 
member, can send out announcements to the members.

I downloaded the v2.0 pdf administration documentation, and found the 
postings privileges settings had significantly altered!

TIA

David



From msapiro at value.net  Mon Sep 27 17:18:29 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:18:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization of results. add, del user etc
In-Reply-To: <93D08C62CD3A254EAC51E4486063E9089AF2DA@nog.internal.teleservice.net>
Message-ID: <PC17102004092708182902965e64d905@msapiro>

Jens Andersson wrote:

>Is it possible to customize all results in the latest release?
>Today we're running 2.1.3.
>
>In our release we can only change:
>
>General list information page 
>Subscribe results page 
>User specific options page 

2.1.5 is the same as far as editing via web administration on a
per-list basis.

Other changes require editing the templates in the templates/[locale]
directory and apply site-wide, not per-list, or require hacking the
Python code.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From Jonathan.Marder at proneuron.com  Sun Sep 26 14:55:51 2004
From: Jonathan.Marder at proneuron.com (Jonathan B. Marder)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:55:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Mailman HTML code.
Message-ID: <SERVERLB8TrBHxvZ9aZ00000094@proneuron.com>

Pls help. 

I seem to have messed up one of the HTML pages for our Mailman list.
Resulting HTML is at http://list.proneuron.com/mailman/listinfo/proneuron1
I think that I accidentally ommitted one of the "<MM" tags that generates
the user subscription form. As a result, the SUBSCRIBE button does not work.

 HTML code is attached below my signature. Please tell me what <MM code I
need to insert, or send me a default listinfo page so that I can figure it
out for myself.

With much appreciation,

Jonathan Marder, Ph.D.
Manager of Science & Technology Integration
Proneuron Biotechnologies (Israel) Ltd.
P.O. Box 277, Ness Ziona, 74101, Israel
Fax: +972 8 9409560   Voice: +972 8 9409550 ext. 110
Mobile: +972 54 4952906
Company web site: http://www.proneuron.com  

----------------------------------------------
<!-- $Revision: 2.4 $ -->
<HTML>
  <HEAD>
    <TITLE><MM-List-Name> Info Page</TITLE>
  
  </HEAD>
  <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff">
    <P>
      <TABLE COLS="1" BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="4" CELLPADDING="5">
	<TR>
	  <TD COLSPAN="2" WIDTH="100%" BGCOLOR="#99CCFF" ALIGN="CENTER">
	    <B><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE="+1"><MM-List-Name> --
	<MM-List-Description></FONT></B>
	  </TD>
	</TR>
        <tr><td colspan="2">
		<MM-List-Info>
<p align=center>
	  To see the collection of prior postings to the list,
	      visit the <MM-Archive><MM-List-Name>
		  Archives</MM-Archive>.</p><p></td></tr>


<TR><TD WIDTH="100%" BGCOLOR="#FFF0D0" colspan="2">
        <FONT COLOR="#000000">
        <B>Existing subscriber</B>
        </FONT></TD></TR>
    <tr><td colspan="2">You can change or cancel your subscription to the 
		<MM-List-name> list by visiting the
		<a
href="http://list.proneuron.com/mailman/options/proneuron1/">subscriber
options page</a>&nbsp; - you 
		will need to enter your e-mail address and list password (or
have it 
		e-mailed to you if you have forgotten it).</td></tr>

<tr><td>
	      <MM-Restricted-List-Message>
	  </p>
	</TD>
      </TR>
      <TR>
	<TD COLSPAN="2" WIDTH="100%" BGCOLOR="#FFF0D0">
	  <B><FONT COLOR="#000000">New subscriber</FONT></B>
	</TD>
      </TR>
      <tr>
	<td colspan="2">
	  <P>
	    Subscribe to <MM-List-Name> by filling out the following
	      form.
	  <MM-List-Subscription-Msg>
	  <ul>
	      <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="2" CELLPADDING="2"
		WIDTH="70%" HEIGHT= "112">
		<TR>
		  <TD BGCOLOR="#dddddd" WIDTH="55%">Your email address:</TD>
		  <TD WIDTH="33%"><MM-Subscribe-Box>
	</TD>
	<TD WIDTH="12%">&nbsp;</TD></TR>
      <tr>
        <td bgcolor="#dddddd" width="55%">Your name (optional):</td>
        <td width="33%"><mm-fullname-box></td>
	<TD WIDTH="12%">&nbsp;</TD></TR>
      <TR>
	<TD COLSPAN="3"><FONT SIZE=-1>You may enter a
	    privacy password below. This provides only mild security,
	    but should prevent others from messing with your
	    subscription.  <b>Do not use a valuable password</b> as
	    it will occasionally be emailed back to you in cleartext.

            <p>If you choose not to enter a password, one will be
            automatically generated for you, and it will be sent to
            you once you've confirmed your subscription.  You can
            always request a mail-back of your password when you edit
            your personal options.
	    <MM-Reminder>
	</TD>
      </TR>  
      <TR>
	<TD BGCOLOR="#dddddd">Pick a password:</TD>
	<TD><MM-New-Password-Box></TD>
	<TD>&nbsp;</TD></TR>
      <TR> 
	<TD BGCOLOR="#dddddd">Reenter password to confirm:</TD>
	<TD><MM-Confirm-Password></TD>
	<TD>&nbsp; </TD></TR>
      <tr>
        <TD BGCOLOR="#dddddd">Which language do you prefer to display your
messages?</TD> 
        <TD> <MM-list-langs></TD>
        <TD>&nbsp; </TD></TR>
      <mm-digest-question-start>
      <tr>
	<td>Would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily
	  digest?
	  </td>
	<td><MM-Undigest-Radio-Button> No
	    <MM-Digest-Radio-Button>  Yes
	</TD>
      </tr>
      <mm-digest-question-end>
      <tr>
	<td colspan="3">
	  <center><MM-Subscribe-Button></P></center>
    </TABLE>
    <MM-Form-End>
    </ul>
    </td>
    </tr>
    <TR>
      <TD COLSPAN="2" WIDTH="100%" BGCOLOR="#FFF0D0">
	<a name="Administrator">
        <B><FONT COLOR="#000000"><MM-List-Name>
Administrators</FONT></B></a>
      </TD>
    </TR>
    <tr>
      <TD COLSPAN="2" WIDTH="100%">
	<MM-Roster-Form-Start>
	<MM-Roster-Option>
	    <MM-Form-End>
	  <p>
	<MM-Options-Form-Start>
	<MM-Editing-Options>
		<MM-Form-End>
      </td>
    </tr>
  </table>
<!-- <MM-Mailman-Footer> -->
</BODY>
</HTML>




From service at macprosolutions.com  Fri Sep 24 20:27:34 2004
From: service at macprosolutions.com (service)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:27:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't authorize a post through the web interface
Message-ID: <673EBD49-0E57-11D9-AD47-000D93520BFA@macprosolutions.com>

I am receiving the emails from Mailman telling me that, as 
administrator, I need to authorize the delivery of a posting. It 
includes a link (for my convenience) to access the admin web page and 
approve the posting. However, my browser times out every time I try to 
link to it. Is there something that could be wrong with my server? Is 
there a way to approve this posting without going to the web?

HELP!

Tim Hagan
Service Operations
MacPro Solutions, Inc.
8030 West Broad
Richmond, VA 23294
www.macprosolutions.com
804 497-8710
804 497-8712 FAX



From service at macprosolutions.com  Sat Sep 25 04:00:58 2004
From: service at macprosolutions.com (service)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:00:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Love it . . . but
Message-ID: <BE8749C3-0E96-11D9-B399-000D93520BFA@macprosolutions.com>

My first experience with Mailman was not a good one.

Of course, the issue I first posted to the list can be attributed to 
the fact that web services were not enabled on my OS 10.3 Server. 
However, the first few test posts that I sent to the list went out to 
everyone successfully. Unfortunately, the replies that were sent by 
recipients on the list, however unnecessary, were sent to everyone on 
the list. This caused quite a problem. A great many of the folks on the 
list were excited to see it back in action (we had previously been 
using LetterRIP Pro) but when they received numerous emails from other 
folks on the list, it made them question our ability to host a list.

I had all the users, except myself, set for no-posting to the list, yet 
they were all able to do so.

What did I do wrong?


Tim Hagan
Service Operations
MacPro Solutions, Inc.
8030 West Broad
Richmond, VA 23294
www.macprosolutions.com
804 497-8710
804 497-8712 FAX



From msapiro at value.net  Mon Sep 27 17:28:22 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:28:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Settings for an Announcements List
In-Reply-To: <818379AF-1094-11D9-8422-000393104B36@AandOConsultancy.ltd.uk>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409270828220843b775a381@msapiro>

David J.B.Hollis wrote:

>What would be the default settings for a 1-way list for announcements?
>
>I would want to set the list up so that the moderator, who may not be a 
>member, can send out announcements to the members.

Go to the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and search for one-way or announcement.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Mon Sep 27 17:26:08 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:26:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Settings for an Announcements List
In-Reply-To: <818379AF-1094-11D9-8422-000393104B36@AandOConsultancy.ltd.uk>
References: <818379AF-1094-11D9-8422-000393104B36@AandOConsultancy.ltd.uk>
Message-ID: <p06002008bd7de1708e42@[10.0.1.4]>

At 3:49 PM +0100 2004-09-27, David J.B.Hollis wrote:

>  What would be the default settings for a 1-way list for announcements?

	Go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and search for "one-way" 
and "announcement".  Read, understand, and follow all the information 
that is returned.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From msapiro at value.net  Mon Sep 27 18:11:00 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:11:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Mailman HTML code.
In-Reply-To: <SERVERLB8TrBHxvZ9aZ00000094@proneuron.com>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409270911000734e99fd15e@msapiro>

Jonathan B. Marder wrote
>
>I seem to have messed up one of the HTML pages for our Mailman list.
>Resulting HTML is at http://list.proneuron.com/mailman/listinfo/proneuron1
>I think that I accidentally ommitted one of the "<MM" tags that generates
>the user subscription form. As a result, the SUBSCRIBE button does not work.
>
> HTML code is attached below my signature. Please tell me what <MM code I
>need to insert, or send me a default listinfo page so that I can figure it
>out for myself.

Look at the HTML for another list (e.g. your mailman site list) or look
at templates/en/listinfo.html

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Mon Sep 27 18:22:09 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:22:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't authorize a post through the web interface
In-Reply-To: <673EBD49-0E57-11D9-AD47-000D93520BFA@macprosolutions.com>
Message-ID: <PC17102004092709220907969a01f145@msapiro>

service wrote:

>I am receiving the emails from Mailman telling me that, as 
>administrator, I need to authorize the delivery of a posting. It 
>includes a link (for my convenience) to access the admin web page and 
>approve the posting. However, my browser times out every time I try to 
>link to it. Is there something that could be wrong with my server? Is 
>there a way to approve this posting without going to the web?

You posted the identical question on Friday from a different e-mail
address. There are two replies to that post at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-September/039703.html
and
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-September/039708.html

If those replies don't help, you'll have to provide more information.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Mon Sep 27 18:29:51 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:29:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't authorize a post through the web interface
In-Reply-To: <PC17102004092709220907969a01f145@msapiro>
Message-ID: <PC171020040927092951009344700890@msapiro>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>You posted the identical question on Friday from a different e-mail
>address. There are two replies to that post at
>http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-September/039703.html
>and
>http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-September/039708.html
>
>If those replies don't help, you'll have to provide more information.

Oooops...

It appears that what I thought was a repost today was actually the
original post from Friday that wasn't delivered until today. Sorry.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Sep 27 19:40:51 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:40:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization of results. add, del user etc
In-Reply-To: <PC17102004092708182902965e64d905@msapiro>
References: <PC17102004092708182902965e64d905@msapiro>
Message-ID: <602F4710-10AC-11D9-BFDB-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 27 Sep 2004, at 16:18, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Jens Andersson wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to customize all results in the latest release?
>> Today we're running 2.1.3.
>>
>> In our release we can only change:
>>
>> General list information page
>> Subscribe results page
>> User specific options page
>
> 2.1.5 is the same as far as editing via web administration on a
> per-list basis.
>
> Other changes require editing the templates in the templates/[locale]
> directory and apply site-wide, not per-list, or require hacking the
> Python code.
>

You absolutely should not edit the files in the templates/<language>/ 
directories. During a Mailman update the contents of default language 
directories will be overwritten and any changes will be lost. However, 
the site, host and list template directories are left intact during an 
update.

Revised copies of templates from the templates/<language>/ directories 
should be placed in these list, virtual host or site specific 
directories which are searched in the following order:

# 1. the list-specific language directory
#    lists/<listname>/<language>
#
# 2. the domain-specific language directory
#    templates/<list.host_name>/<language>
#
# 3. the site-wide language directory
#    templates/site/<language>
#
# 4. the global default language directory
#    templates/<language>

Unfortunately, not all Mailman pages are fully generated from templates 
and some code hacking may be required for those pages, but typically 
this will affect all lists.

> --
> Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Mon Sep 27 19:48:45 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:48:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization of results. add, del user etc
In-Reply-To: <PC17102004092708182902965e64d905@msapiro>
References: <PC17102004092708182902965e64d905@msapiro>
Message-ID: <7A42597B-10AD-11D9-B979-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 27 Sep 2004, at 16:18, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Jens Andersson wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to customize all results in the latest release?
>> Today we're running 2.1.3.
>>
>> In our release we can only change:
>>
>> General list information page
>> Subscribe results page
>> User specific options page
>
> 2.1.5 is the same as far as editing via web administration on a
> per-list basis.
>
> Other changes require editing the templates in the templates/[locale]
> directory and apply site-wide, not per-list, or require hacking the
> Python code.
>

You absolutely should not edit the files in the templates/<language>/ 
directories. During a Mailman update the contents of default language 
directories will be overwritten and any changes will be lost. However, 
the site, host and list template directories are left intact during an 
update.

Revised copies of templates from the templates/<language>/ directories 
should be placed in these list, virtual host or site specific 
directories which are searched in the following order:

# 1. the list-specific language directory
#    lists/<listname>/<language>
#
# 2. the domain-specific language directory
#    templates/<list.host_name>/<language>
#
# 3. the site-wide language directory
#    templates/site/<language>
#
# 4. the global default language directory
#    templates/<language>

Unfortunately, not all Mailman pages are fully generated from templates 
and some code hacking may be required for those pages, which will 
affect all lists.

> --
> Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Mon Sep 27 20:56:37 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:56:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization of results. add, del user etc
In-Reply-To: <7A42597B-10AD-11D9-B979-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <PC171020040927115637018797de6c20@msapiro>

Richard Barrett wrote:
>
>You absolutely should not edit the files in the templates/<language>/ 
>directories. During a Mailman update the contents of default language 
>directories will be overwritten and any changes will be lost. However, 
>the site, host and list template directories are left intact during an 
>update.

Thanks for correcting me on this. I had read the comments in Utils.py
before and should have known better.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Sep 28 00:51:00 2004
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:51:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pretty good Announcement only How-to + more on Mac
In-Reply-To: <B56E37EC-0F3B-11D9-ADC8-000D93C23532@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <BD7DE764.16AD3%jwblist@olympus.net>

Chuq, there seems to be a disconnect somewhere.

Possibly the Mac OS X server users with paid support are asking confusing
questions.  Possibly the people responding to calls don't understand that
Mailman is shipped (modified) as part of Mac OS X Server.

But too many people--claiming to have paid OS X Server support--have shown
up here claiming to have been told "We don't support Mailman" for me to
believe there isn't something wrong.

  --John


On 9/25/2004 14:41, "Chuq Von Rospach" <chuqui at plaidworks.com> wrote:

> um, I happen to know those folks pretty well. They're as responsive as
> they can be, given they have the same kind of restrictions we all do
> (even here in Mailman-land): can't do everything for everyone, because
> there isn't enough resource, and not everything ought to be done.
> 
> won't speak for them, but I will defend them on this. They care as much
> about their stuff as Brad does about his...
> 
> 
> On Sep 25, 2004, at 12:59 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
> 
>>  Then there's the group that is responsible for developing and
>> supporting MacOS X Server (a separate product from the regular MacOS X
>> "Client").
>> 
>> Unfortunately, the latter group is well-known to effectively ignore
>> support requests, even from customers paying thousands upon thousands
>> of dollars per year in support contracts.
> 


From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue Sep 28 03:18:37 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:18:37 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] move mailman to another server + upgrade version
In-Reply-To: <41581E2A.3000401@lexum.umontreal.ca>
References: <41581E2A.3000401@lexum.umontreal.ca>
Message-ID: <52C6CE20-10EC-11D9-B75E-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>

On Sep 27, 2004, at 23:05, Frederic Medery wrote:

> So I moved my /var/mailman from server1 to server2 and then I compiled 
> + installed mailman latest version (in the directory). The prob is the 
> mailman welcome page (server2/mailman/listinfo) do not see my mailing 
> lists but i go to server2/mailman/listinfo/my_list I can see it.

Did you confirm you have the right settings for the hostname and 
virtual host definitions in your new mm_cfg.py?

Did you run bin/fix_url.py after the move (and mm_cfg update)?

(The main /listinfo page is built based on the virtual host settings 
and the web page url found in each mailing list object.)


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From mrp at ign.or.id  Tue Sep 28 04:38:46 2004
From: mrp at ign.or.id (Willy Mularto)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:38:46 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman configuration
Message-ID: <006a01c4a504$4d16ab40$fa00a8c0@sarah>

Guys,
I just installed the mailman, and try to start it using this command :
[root at nightjar lists]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/mailman start
Site list is missing: mailman
[root at nightjar lists]#
What does the message mean? what configuration should I edit? Thanks


Regards

Willy


From msapiro at value.net  Tue Sep 28 05:06:26 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:06:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman configuration
In-Reply-To: <006a01c4a504$4d16ab40$fa00a8c0@sarah>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409272006260156264e8076@msapiro>

Willy Mularto wrote:

>I just installed the mailman, and try to start it using this command :
>[root at nightjar lists]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/mailman start
>Site list is missing: mailman
>[root at nightjar lists]#
>What does the message mean? what configuration should I edit? Thanks

You need to create the "mailman" list before you start mailman.

Go to the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and search for site list

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From eric at pretorious.net  Tue Sep 28 07:31:34 2004
From: eric at pretorious.net (Eric Pretorious)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:31:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recovering the virtual-mailman file
In-Reply-To: <DDF1CE96-1056-11D9-BD67-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
References: <200409261310.31448.eric@pretorious.net>
	<DDF1CE96-1056-11D9-BD67-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <200409272231.34767.eric@pretorious.net>

On Monday 27 September 2004 12:28 am, Jim Tittsler wrote:
>On Sep 27, 2004, at 05:10, Eric Pretorious wrote:
>> I ran `bin/genaliases` this morning and it emptied my
>> data/virtual-mailman file. Is there any way to recover this file?
>
>bin/genaliases should be able to build it for you.
>
>(Do you have MTA='Postfix' and POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS set
>correctly for your configuration in your mm_cfg.py file?  If you are
>using the Postifix style virtual domains, make sure the domain names
>match those you've added in your mm_cfg.py.  See the README.POSTFIX
>documentation.)

Hi, Jim:

Yes - the settings are correct. (Mailman has been handling lists for three 
different virtual domains with Postfix for a while now.)

`bin/genaliases` destroyed the data/virtual-mailman file so now when I run 
`bin/genaliases` it complains...

>mailman # bin/genaliases
>postmap: fatal: open /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman.db: Permission 
denied
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "bin/genaliases", line 116, in ?
>    main()
>  File "bin/genaliases", line 106, in main
>    MTA.create(mlist, nolock=True, quiet=quiet)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create
>    _update_maps()
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 60, in _update_maps
>    raise RuntimeError, msg % (vcmd, status, errstr)
>RuntimeError: command failed:
>/usr/sbin/postmap /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman (status: 1, 
>Operation not permitted)  

-- 
Eric P.,
Sunnyvale, CA


From ericp at he.net  Tue Sep 28 07:35:18 2004
From: ericp at he.net (Eric Pretorious)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:35:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recovering the virtual-mailman file
In-Reply-To: <200409261310.31448.eric@pretorious.net>
References: <200409261310.31448.eric@pretorious.net>
Message-ID: <200409272235.18926.ericp@he.net>

On Sunday 26 September 2004 01:10 pm, Eric Pretorious wrote:
>I ran `bin/genaliases` this morning and it emptied my
>data/virtual-mailman file. Is there any way to recover this file? e.g.,
> maybe from the data/virtual-mailman.db file?

When I execute `bin/genaliases` now, it complains...

>mailman # bin/genaliases
>postmap: fatal: open /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman.db: Permission 
denied
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "bin/genaliases", line 116, in ?
>    main()
>  File "bin/genaliases", line 106, in main
>    MTA.create(mlist, nolock=True, quiet=quiet)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create
>    _update_maps()
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 60, in _update_maps
>    raise RuntimeError, msg % (vcmd, status, errstr)
>RuntimeError: command failed:
>/usr/sbin/postmap /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman (status: 1, 
>  Operation not permitted)

How can I recover from this?

-- 
Eric P.


From grezansoff at ipdevco.com  Mon Sep 27 19:55:00 2004
From: grezansoff at ipdevco.com (Greg Rezansoff)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:55:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I make sure my replies are in the correct
	thread?
Message-ID: <FA6AD92539D72343BFE4C0AF4A396F7249D3ED@email1.ipdevco.com>

Hello,
  Im trying to participate in a mailman discussion group.

Every time I reply, it creates a new thread!  Its the Vorbis group, so my emails get a [Vorbis] in the subject.

How the heck do I specify the thread I am replying to?

This is extremely frustrating, because its a basic functionality, and I cannot find it in your docs!!!


From vmscons at eth.net  Tue Sep 28 08:49:06 2004
From: vmscons at eth.net (Bhavin Shah)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:19:06 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list
Message-ID: <003601c4a527$3fe9a1c0$1964a8c0@bhavin>

Dear Sir,

Is it possible to add some text ( plain / HTML ) in the reminder send to all the users monthly, regarding their password and other informations.

If it is possible to add the text, kindly let us know the procedure.

Regards,

Bhavin Shah




From vmscons at eth.net  Tue Sep 28 08:57:33 2004
From: vmscons at eth.net (Bhavin Shah)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:27:33 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New users
Message-ID: <004301c4a528$6e065480$1964a8c0@bhavin>

Dear Sir,

We would like to educate new users regarding how to use the mailing list, what are the options availbale etc. etc.

Is it possible to send them complete information regarding the mailing list. 
 
Regards,

Bhavin 



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Sep 28 09:10:53 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:10:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I make sure my replies are in
	the correct 	thread?
In-Reply-To: <FA6AD92539D72343BFE4C0AF4A396F7249D3ED@email1.ipdevco.com>
References: <FA6AD92539D72343BFE4C0AF4A396F7249D3ED@email1.ipdevco.com>
Message-ID: <p06002010bd7ebe5e5606@[10.0.1.4]>

At 1:55 PM -0400 2004-09-27, Greg Rezansoff wrote:

>  Every time I reply, it creates a new thread!  Its the Vorbis group, so
>  my emails get a [Vorbis] in the subject.

	Then your MUA (Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0?) is broken.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.010.htp>.

>  How the heck do I specify the thread I am replying to?

	You don't.  It's up to your MUA to handle this properly.

>  This is extremely frustrating, because its a basic functionality, and I
>  cannot find it in your docs!!!

	There's nothing we can do to help you with this problem.  Had you 
gone to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> and searched for "thread", 
you would have turned up the previously mentioned article.

	Other than that, there's nothing we can do to help you with this problem.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Sep 28 09:19:37 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:19:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list
In-Reply-To: <003601c4a527$3fe9a1c0$1964a8c0@bhavin>
References: <003601c4a527$3fe9a1c0$1964a8c0@bhavin>
Message-ID: <p06002011bd7ebfe3b13d@[10.0.1.4]>

At 12:19 PM +0530 2004-09-28, Bhavin Shah wrote:

>  Is it possible to add some text ( plain / HTML ) in the reminder send to
>  all the users monthly, regarding their password and other informations.

	You need to edit the appropriate cronpass.txt template for your 
list.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp> 
for more info.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From tdiehl at rogueind.com  Tue Sep 28 13:34:57 2004
From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:34:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Recovering the virtual-mailman file
In-Reply-To: <200409272235.18926.ericp@he.net>
References: <200409261310.31448.eric@pretorious.net>
	<200409272235.18926.ericp@he.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409280730210.22880@tigger.rogueind.com>

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Eric Pretorious wrote:

> On Sunday 26 September 2004 01:10 pm, Eric Pretorious wrote:
> >I ran `bin/genaliases` this morning and it emptied my
> >data/virtual-mailman file. Is there any way to recover this file? e.g.,
> > maybe from the data/virtual-mailman.db file?
> 
> When I execute `bin/genaliases` now, it complains...
> 
> >mailman # bin/genaliases
> >postmap: fatal: open /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman.db: Permission 
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> denied
  ^^^^^^
  ^^^^^^

> >Traceback (most recent call last):
> >  File "bin/genaliases", line 116, in ?
> >    main()
> >  File "bin/genaliases", line 106, in main
> >    MTA.create(mlist, nolock=True, quiet=quiet)
> >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create
> >    _update_maps()
> >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 60, in _update_maps
> >    raise RuntimeError, msg % (vcmd, status, errstr)
> >RuntimeError: command failed:
> >/usr/sbin/postmap /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman (status: 1, 
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> >  Operation not permitted)
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> 
> How can I recover from this?

Fix the permissions/ownership of virtual-mailman. Did you actually read the
error message above??

HTH,

Tom


From amahoro at adinet.com.uy  Tue Sep 28 21:16:44 2004
From: amahoro at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arlequ=EDn?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:16:44 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding massive subscribers
Message-ID: <4159B89C.7010902@adinet.com.uy>

Hello, there.

I am using a MailMan system instaled at by the hosting company which 
offers us the possibily to have mail lists.

I have to deliver a little report in a month basis and have 1200+ 
addresses to add.

I have a file (Unix CR+LF format) in my Linux box and before adding it 
using the MailMan List Administrator web front-end I want to know in 
wich format the file must be.

Comma-separated values, one address by line....?
CR-LF Unix or MS-Windows format...?

I'll feed the MailMan System using Mozilla for Windows.

Thanks in advance.
-- 
Arlequ?n                             _o)
amahoro_AT_adinet_DOT_com_DOT_uy     / \\
http://counter.li.org/             _(___V
Linux Registered User              #207262



From ddewey at cyberthugs.com  Tue Sep 28 20:41:51 2004
From: ddewey at cyberthugs.com (ddewey at cyberthugs.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:41:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding massive subscribers
In-Reply-To: <4159B89C.7010902@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4159B89C.7010902@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <20040928184150.GA27412@meatwad.cyberthugs.com>

Quoting Arlequ?n (amahoro at adinet.com.uy):

> Hello, there.
> 
> I am using a MailMan system instaled at by the hosting company which 
> offers us the possibily to have mail lists.
> 
> I have to deliver a little report in a month basis and have 1200+ 
> addresses to add.
> 
> I have a file (Unix CR+LF format) in my Linux box and before adding it 
> using the MailMan List Administrator web front-end I want to know in 
> wich format the file must be.
> 
> Comma-separated values, one address by line....?
> CR-LF Unix or MS-Windows format...?

I just added 1,000 subscribers to my first mailman list over the weekend
using a Majordomo subscription list, which was a linux-formatted file with
one email address per line.  I used Firefox on Windows to do it after
scp'ing the file down from the linux box.

address1 at domain.com
address2 at domain2.com 
etc.

Worked perfectly.  Just be sure you have the notification provisions the way
you want them, you may not want 1200 people getting a Welcome message for
instance.

dave


From heiner at kflog.org  Tue Sep 28 21:25:59 2004
From: heiner at kflog.org (Heiner Lamprecht)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:25:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no public archives possible
Message-ID: <200409282125.59826.heiner@kflog.org>

Hi all,

I have a problem creating public archives on my server, running a 
multi-domain environment.

Private archives are not problem.  The appropriate domain is used in 
the links and the archives is accessible for all who have the 
password.  But as soon as I switch the flag to "public", the links 
to the archive (from the several pages in Mailman webfrontend) 
point to the wrong domain.  And when I want to see the archive, I 
only get "Access denied" (no matter, what domain I use).  Apache 
log says:

"client denied by server 
configuration: /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/<listname>"



    Heiner

P.S.: Is there any way to limit a list to one domain?  I don't need 
to have multiple lists with the same name but for different 
domains.  But I don't like the idea, that one can post to one list, 
using every domain of the server ...

-- 
          heiner at kflog dot org    GnuPG - Key: E05AEAFC
  Fingerprint:  257A DFBF 4977 4585 77A0  3509 973B 92AA E05A EAFC
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From john at calvoter.org  Tue Sep 28 21:53:52 2004
From: john at calvoter.org (John T. Jones)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:53:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] complete list of members
Message-ID: <1F794926-1188-11D9-A056-000393D2F220@calvoter.org>

Newbie question,

I'm managing a list with 1200 members on it.  Is it possible to export 
the membership list (without going to each web page and tediously copy 
and pasting) to an excel file so I and others can see the entire list? 
Can I see the entire list of members on one page?

Thanks, John



From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Tue Sep 28 21:59:13 2004
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:59:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] complete list of members
In-Reply-To: <1F794926-1188-11D9-A056-000393D2F220@calvoter.org>
References: <1F794926-1188-11D9-A056-000393D2F220@calvoter.org>
Message-ID: <20040928195913.GP12370@charite.de>

* John T. Jones <john at calvoter.org>:
> Newbie question,
> 
> I'm managing a list with 1200 members on it.  Is it possible to export 
> the membership list (without going to each web page and tediously copy 
> and pasting) to an excel file so I and others can see the entire list?

There's bin/list_members <listname> available from the command line,
then simply import that into Excel.


-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt (i.A. des IT-Zentrum)          Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de
Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin            Tel.  +49 (0)30-450 570-155
Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin    Fax.  +49 (0)30-8445-4447
IT-Zentrum Standort CBF                                   AIM.  ralfpostfix


From rufranco at utep.edu  Tue Sep 28 22:29:55 2004
From: rufranco at utep.edu (Franco, Ruben)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:29:55 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Pending request on New list
Message-ID: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB747D4E9@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>

Hello,

     I get the following error when trying to access the pending request for a newly created lists.

     Is there a pending request database that may be corrupt?

Ruben

----------------------------


Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5



We're sorry, we hit a bug!


If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:


Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 166, in main
    if not mlist.NumRequestsPending():
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 124, in NumRequestsPending
    self.__opendb()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 80, in __opendb
    self.__db = cPickle.load(fp)
EOFError




________________________________


Python information:


Variable	 Value	
sys.version	 2.2.3 (#1, Aug 8 2003, 08:44:02) [GCC 3.2.3 20030502 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.3-13)] 	
sys.executable	 /usr/bin/python 	
sys.prefix	 /usr 	
sys.exec_prefix	 /usr 	
sys.path	 /usr 	
sys.platform	 linux2 	

________________________________


Environment variables:


Variable	 Value	
HTTP_REFERER 	http://listserv.utep.edu/mailman/admin/methods/general 	
SCRIPT_FILENAME 	/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb 	
PYTHONPATH 	/usr/local/mailman 	
SERVER_SOFTWARE 	Apache 	
SERVER_ADMIN 	root at localhost 	
SCRIPT_NAME 	/mailman/admindb 	
SERVER_SIGNATURE 	Apache Server at listserv.utep.edu Port 80
REQUEST_METHOD 	GET 	
HTTP_HOST 	listserv.utep.edu 	
PATH_INFO 	/methods 	
SERVER_PROTOCOL 	HTTP/1.1 	
QUERY_STRING 		
REQUEST_URI 	/mailman/admindb/methods 	
HTTP_ACCEPT 	image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/x-shockwave-flash, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/msword, */* 	
PATH_TRANSLATED 	/usr/local/mailman/methods 	
HTTP_USER_AGENT 	Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705) 	
HTTP_CONNECTION 	Keep-Alive 	
HTTP_COOKIE 	methods+admin=28020000006991c35941732800000061386662666634373534333765313833653836393566306438346433366238386532333235633961 	
SERVER_NAME 	listserv.utep.edu 	
REMOTE_ADDR 	129.108.203.229 	
REMOTE_PORT 	3189 	
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 	en-us 	
UNIQUE_ID 	Qby-24FsAFAAAAbZTa8AAAAE 	
SERVER_PORT 	80 	
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 	CGI/1.1 	
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 	gzip, deflate 	
SERVER_ADDR 	129.108.0.80 	
DOCUMENT_ROOT 	/usr/local/mailman 	



From wheakory at isu.edu  Tue Sep 28 22:58:38 2004
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:58:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Usiing the withlist with default_member_moderation
 and accept-these_nonmembers
Message-ID: <4159D07E.3000701@isu.edu>

Hi All,

I'm trying to write a script where I can change the
default_member_moderation and accept-these_nonmembers  objects, after a 
new Mailman list is created automatically by a cron process.  I've been 
able to change the "default_member_moderation" as planned, but the 
"accept_these_nonmembers" object I'm having troubles with.  When I try 
to add an email address, it shows up in the configuration like this:
w
e
b
@
i
s
u
.
e
d
u

How can I get the whole thing on one line.  There's my python code

import sys
#Run this script with
#withlist -l -r change_values mylist
#   
def change_values(mlist):
    print 'LIST ', mlist.internal_name()
    print '    Default Member Moderation Before: ', 
mlist.default_member_moderation
    print '    Accepted Non Members Before: ', mlist.accept_these_nonmembers
    mlist.default_member_moderation = 1
    mlist.accept_these_nonmembers  =  "root at mm.isu.edu'
    print '    Default Member Moderation After: ', 
mlist.default_member_moderation
    print '    Accepted Non Members After: ', mlist.accept_these_nonmembers
    mlist.Save()

The reason why I'm doing this is these lists have a different 
configuration setup than what's in a default list that's setup with the 
standard configuration in mm_cfg.py

-- 
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.



From wheakory at isu.edu  Wed Sep 29 01:06:36 2004
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:06:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Usiing the withlist command
Message-ID: <4159EE7C.5040300@isu.edu>



I'm trying to write a script where I can change the
default_member_moderation and accept-these_nonmembers  objects, after a
new Mailman list is created automatically by a cron process.  I've been
able to change the "default_member_moderation" as planned, but the
"accept_these_nonmembers" object I'm having troubles with.  When I try
to add an email address, it shows up in the configuration like this:
w
e
b
@
i
s
u
.
e
d
u

How can I get the whole thing on one line.  There's my python code

import sys
#Run this script with
#withlist -l -r change_values mylist
#
def change_values(mlist):
    print 'LIST ', mlist.internal_name()
    print '    Default Member Moderation Before: ',
mlist.default_member_moderation
    print '    Accepted Non Members Before: ', mlist.accept_these_nonmembers
    mlist.default_member_moderation = 1
    mlist.accept_these_nonmembers  =  "root at mm.isu.edu'
    print '    Default Member Moderation After: ',
mlist.default_member_moderation
    print '    Accepted Non Members After: ', mlist.accept_these_nonmembers
    mlist.Save()

The reason why I'm doing this is these lists have a different
configuration setup than what's in a default list that's setup with the
standard configuration in mm_cfg.py

-- 
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.




From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep 29 02:17:02 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:17:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding massive subscribers
In-Reply-To: <4159B89C.7010902@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <PC171020040928171702039041ae1b88@msapiro>

Arlequ?n wrote:
>
>I have a file (Unix CR+LF format) in my Linux box and before adding it 
>using the MailMan List Administrator web front-end I want to know in 
>wich format the file must be.
>
>Comma-separated values, one address by line....?
>CR-LF Unix or MS-Windows format...?

One address per line - If you want names and addresses, see FAQ article
3.44. The actual line terminators probably don't matter, but I would
suggest whatever is the native format for the box your browser is
running on.

>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

BTW, what's Unix CR-LF? Native Unix text files have LF only between
lines.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep 29 02:43:30 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:43:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New users
In-Reply-To: <004301c4a528$6e065480$1964a8c0@bhavin>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409281743300046a026ee6c@msapiro>

Bhavin Shah wrote:
>
>We would like to educate new users regarding how to use the mailing list, what are the options availbale etc. etc.
>
>Is it possible to send them complete information regarding the mailing list. 
> 

You can add list specific text to the welcome message on the
administration General Options page for the list.

See the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
article 4.48 for how you might make list or site specific changes to
the subscribeack.txt template.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep 29 03:42:27 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:42:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] complete list of members
In-Reply-To: <20040928195913.GP12370@charite.de>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409281842270203a026ef06@msapiro>

Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:

>* John T. Jones <john at calvoter.org>:
>> Newbie question,
>> 
>> I'm managing a list with 1200 members on it.  Is it possible to export 
>> the membership list (without going to each web page and tediously copy 
>> and pasting) to an excel file so I and others can see the entire list?
>
>There's bin/list_members <listname> available from the command line,
>then simply import that into Excel.

And if you don't have command line access, Jim Tittsler has a script to
pull the list from the web. See
http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#throughtheweb

There's also the "who" e-mail command.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From gaf at blu.org  Wed Sep 29 04:16:52 2004
From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:16:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving a list from one server to another
Message-ID: <20040928221652.10a128e0@gaf.gaf.net>

I run a server with several mailman lists on 2.0.6. We have brought a
new server online with 2.1.4. I did a quick look at the faqs, but I did
not find a decent answer. I would like to be able to preserve both the
memberships and attributes of the lists if I could. Possibly a script
that would be the analog of dumpdb. I found that copying the config.db
(or more specifically the ~mailman/lists/<listname> directory is
somewhat problematical. Mailman does convert the config.db to
config.pck). 

While the most appropriate way might be to list_members to a file of
digest and regular members, it does not preserve those subscribers who
are nomail (on 2.0.6 - it does on 2.1.4). 

-- 
Jerry Feldman <gaf at blu.org>
Boston Linux and Unix user group
http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9
PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9
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From amahoro at adinet.com.uy  Wed Sep 29 05:16:25 2004
From: amahoro at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arlequ=EDn?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:16:25 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding massive subscribers
In-Reply-To: <PC171020040928171702039041ae1b88@msapiro>
References: <PC171020040928171702039041ae1b88@msapiro>
Message-ID: <415A2909.20901@adinet.com.uy>

Mark Sapiro escribi?:


> One address per line - If you want names and addresses, see FAQ article
> 3.44. The actual line terminators probably don't matter, but I would
> suggest whatever is the native format for the box your browser is
> running on.
> 
> 
>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 
> 
> BTW, what's Unix CR-LF? Native Unix text files have LF only between
> lines.

Thanks, I should have said \n  ;-)
I meant Carriage Return and/or Line Feed.... :)
> 
> --
> Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 
> 


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From fredimac at fredimac.com  Wed Sep 29 04:21:32 2004
From: fredimac at fredimac.com (Fred Macondray)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:21:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments
Message-ID: <200409290221.i8T2LMJ05148@fredimac.com>

Greetings,

I attempted to approve and send a message to my announce-only list that had
a .jpg attachment. 

The message went out, but without the original attachment.

The message that came through had the subscription options footer as a .txt
attachment.

How can I 1) configure mailman to send attachments and 2) avoid having the
footer come through as an attachment?

Thanks in advance,
Fred



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Sep 29 06:39:30 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:39:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments
In-Reply-To: <200409290221.i8T2LMJ05148@fredimac.com>
Message-ID: <PC1710200409282139300890afbda3d8@msapiro>

Fred Macondray wrote:
>
>I attempted to approve and send a message to my announce-only list that had
>a .jpg attachment. 
>
>The message went out, but without the original attachment.
>
>The message that came through had the subscription options footer as a .txt
>attachment.
>
>How can I 1) configure mailman to send attachments and 2) avoid having the
>footer come through as an attachment?

1) Turn off Content filtering or adjust filter_mime_types and/or
pass_mime_types to allow the types you want.

2) In general, you can't. Go to the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and read article 4.39.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk  Wed Sep 29 07:03:36 2004
From: r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:03:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Usiing the withlist command
In-Reply-To: <4159EE7C.5040300@isu.edu>
References: <4159EE7C.5040300@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <EB52C760-11D4-11D9-958E-000A957C9A50@openinfo.co.uk>


On 29 Sep 2004, at 00:06, Kory Wheatley wrote:

>
>
> I'm trying to write a script where I can change the
> default_member_moderation and accept-these_nonmembers  objects, after a
> new Mailman list is created automatically by a cron process.  I've been
> able to change the "default_member_moderation" as planned, but the
> "accept_these_nonmembers" object I'm having troubles with.  When I try
> to add an email address, it shows up in the configuration like this:
> w
> e
> b
> @
> i
> s
> u
> .
> e
> d
> u
>
> How can I get the whole thing on one line.  There's my python code
>
> import sys
> #Run this script with
> #withlist -l -r change_values mylist
> #
> def change_values(mlist):
>    print 'LIST ', mlist.internal_name()
>    print '    Default Member Moderation Before: ',
>    mlist.default_member_moderation
>    print '    Accepted Non Members Before: ', 
> mlist.accept_these_nonmembers
>    mlist.default_member_moderation = 1
>    mlist.accept_these_nonmembers  =  "root at mm.isu.edu'

accept_these_nonmembers is held as a Python list not a string. You may 
want to say:

     mlist.accept_these_nonmembers.append("root at mm.isu.edu")

or, if you do not want to preserve the prior list content:

	mlist.accept_these_nonmembers  =  ["root at mm.isu.edu"]

or, you want to add the address only if it is not already in the list:

     if not "root at mm.isu.edu" in mlist.accept_these_nonmembers:
         mlist.accept_these_nonmembers.append("root at mm.isu.edu")

>    print '    Default Member Moderation After: ',
>    mlist.default_member_moderation
>    print '    Accepted Non Members After: ', 
> mlist.accept_these_nonmembers
>    mlist.Save()
>
> The reason why I'm doing this is these lists have a different
> configuration setup than what's in a default list that's setup with the
> standard configuration in mm_cfg.py
>
> -- 
> Kory Wheatley
> Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
> Phone 282-3874
> #########################################
> Everything must point to him.



From chris at cogdon.org  Wed Sep 29 01:10:34 2004
From: chris at cogdon.org (Chris Cogdon)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:10:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Usiing the withlist command
In-Reply-To: <4159EE7C.5040300@isu.edu>
References: <4159EE7C.5040300@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <9A1A703E-11A3-11D9-9889-000A95E3823E@cogdon.org>


On Sep 28, 2004, at 16:06, Kory Wheatley wrote:

>    mlist.accept_these_nonmembers  =  "root at mm.isu.edu'

This should probably be:

mlist.accept_these_nonmembers = [ "root at mm.isu.edu" ]



If you give a string to something that expects a list, it will often 
treat it as a 'list of single characters' rather than a 'list of 
strings'.


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From luc.saffre at gmx.net  Wed Sep 29 05:50:21 2004
From: luc.saffre at gmx.net (Luc Saffre)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 05:50:21 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim+mailman, received mail never goes out
Message-ID: <4594.1096429821@www17.gmx.net>

Trying to get Mailman running with Exim4 on a Debian Sarge/testing server.
I followed the instructions in README.Debian.gz and  README.EXIM.gz (both in
 /usr/share/doc/mailman/).
The following test looks good:

# exim4 -bt pesamunad
R: system_aliases for pesamunad at lsaffre.dyndns.org
pesamunad at lsaffre.dyndns.org
  router = mailman_router, transport = mailman_transport

Here is what appears in the mainlog when a list member sends a mail to the
list:

2004-09-29 06:24:07 1CCV4Z-0003Jq-N7 <= ly.rumma at mail.ee 
  H=mta2.mail.neti.ee (MXR-7.estpak.ee) [194.126.101.111] 
  P=esmtp S=803 
  id=5.1.0.14.0.20040929062508.0276c8e0 at mail.ee
2004-09-29 06:24:09 1CCV4Z-0003Jq-N7 => pesamunad
<pesamunad at lsaffre.dyndns.org>
  R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport
2004-09-29 06:24:09 1CCV4Z-0003Jq-N7 Completed

But that's all. The message gets accepted but is never sent out to the
members of the list. 
It remains in a directory /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/in/,
in a file named
1096428248.9453189+c376c962677380e0e57393513013851615b814cc.pck

Any ideas about what may go wrong?

Luc




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From steve at lobefin.net  Wed Sep 29 06:19:12 2004
From: steve at lobefin.net (Stephen Gran)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:19:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [exim] exim+mailman,
	received mail never goes out
In-Reply-To: <4594.1096429821@www17.gmx.net>
References: <4594.1096429821@www17.gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20040929041912.GC13994@www.lobefin.net>

On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 05:50:21AM +0200, Luc Saffre said:
> Trying to get Mailman running with Exim4 on a Debian Sarge/testing server.
> I followed the instructions in README.Debian.gz and  README.EXIM.gz (both in
>  /usr/share/doc/mailman/).
> The following test looks good:
> 
> # exim4 -bt pesamunad
> R: system_aliases for pesamunad at lsaffre.dyndns.org
> pesamunad at lsaffre.dyndns.org
>   router = mailman_router, transport = mailman_transport
> 
> Here is what appears in the mainlog when a list member sends a mail to the
> list:
> 
> 2004-09-29 06:24:07 1CCV4Z-0003Jq-N7 <= ly.rumma at mail.ee 
>   H=mta2.mail.neti.ee (MXR-7.estpak.ee) [194.126.101.111] 
>   P=esmtp S=803 
>   id=5.1.0.14.0.20040929062508.0276c8e0 at mail.ee
> 2004-09-29 06:24:09 1CCV4Z-0003Jq-N7 => pesamunad
> <pesamunad at lsaffre.dyndns.org>
>   R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport
> 2004-09-29 06:24:09 1CCV4Z-0003Jq-N7 Completed
> 
> But that's all. The message gets accepted but is never sent out to the
> members of the list. 
> It remains in a directory /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/in/,
> in a file named
> 1096428248.9453189+c376c962677380e0e57393513013851615b814cc.pck
> 
> Any ideas about what may go wrong?

Mailman isn't running it's queue - check the various logs for why.
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From Stefan1 at Hofmeir.de  Tue Sep 28 11:13:44 2004
From: Stefan1 at Hofmeir.de (Stefan Hofmeir)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:13:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suscribe policy
Message-ID: <433473609.20040928111344@Hofmeir.de>

Hi all,

how can I change the subscribe policy to no confirmation (no user
confirmation, no admin confirmation)?
I am using mailman 2.1.5.


-- 
Thanks,
Stefan




From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Wed Sep 29 12:08:37 2004
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:08:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suscribe policy
In-Reply-To: <433473609.20040928111344@Hofmeir.de>
References: <433473609.20040928111344@Hofmeir.de>
Message-ID: <754EFD142DB09883254E578A@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>



--On Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:13 am +0200 Stefan Hofmeir 
<Stefan1 at Hofmeir.de> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> how can I change the subscribe policy to no confirmation (no user
> confirmation, no admin confirmation)?
> I am using mailman 2.1.5.

You can't. That would be a very bad thing, since it would allow me (for 
example) to subscribe you (for example) to mailing lists that you didn't 
want to belong to. Only the administrator of the mailing list should have 
that power.

-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS



From luc.saffre at gmx.net  Wed Sep 29 14:48:30 2004
From: luc.saffre at gmx.net (Luc Saffre)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:48:30 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [exim] exim+mailman,
	received mail never goes out
In-Reply-To: <20040929041912.GC13994@www.lobefin.net>
References: <4594.1096429821@www17.gmx.net>
	<20040929041912.GC13994@www.lobefin.net>
Message-ID: <415AAF1E.5040705@gmx.net>

On 29.09.2004 07:19, Stephen Gran wrote:

  > Mailman isn't running it's queue - check the various logs for why.

That was it. Thanks for your hint, Stephen.

I just needed to do
   /etc/init.d/mailman start
and the whole system started to work.

Luc


From indigo at win.eastlink.ca  Wed Sep 29 16:01:07 2004
From: indigo at win.eastlink.ca (VBrideau)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:01:07 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Viewing attachments prior to approval
Message-ID: <008001c4a62c$c63dd790$ba39de18@vbrideau>

Hello

I would like to be able to view attachments prior to them being approved for distribution to the membership. I've searched the archives but have not been able to locate this information.

The Content Filter is set at No, thus the attachment is not stripped.  

Much thanks for your assistance

Valerie Brideau




From steve at fractalus.com  Wed Sep 29 16:26:12 2004
From: steve at fractalus.com (SteveC)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:26:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] dumb question
Message-ID: <20040929142612.GN32249@fractalus.com>

been googling around with no luck.

I want to delete all the messages in a mailing lists admin requests. I
have 130 odd spams I want to kill. Im also the site admin...

Is there a quick way to do this without clicking them all?

TIA

have fun,

SteveC steve at fractalus.com http://www.fractalus.com/steve/


From snake.lists at snakepit.net  Wed Sep 29 17:21:07 2004
From: snake.lists at snakepit.net (Russ Michaels (Snake))
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:21:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] some questions
Message-ID: <20040929152102.95A231E4002@bag.python.org>

Greetings,
 
I have recently moved over all our lists to mailman and am having the
following issues which I cannot seem to find any option for in the admin
menu.
 
When messages come in  HTML format, the HEADER text is missing and the
FOOTER text comes as an attachment.
Some users are also complaining that the whole message now comes as an
attachment.
 
How can I fix this ?
 
Russ Michaels
Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Professional
 
Satachi Internet Development

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From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Wed Sep 29 19:25:37 2004
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:25:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error when running "arch"
Message-ID: <20040929172537.GO13093@hq.newdream.net>

I got the following error when rebuilding archives for a
list (OpenBSD Mailman 2.1.5 installed from OpenBSD ports. It
turned out the actual problem was a permissions problem on
/var/spool/mailman/lists/[listname] (it was owned by root:_mailman
instead of _mailman:_mailman). Should I file a bug about this (that
the error isn't more specific)? It would be much more helpful if
this said "Cannot write to /var/spool/mailman/lists/nord-modular" or
something rather than "MemoryError".

[as user mailman, ./bin/arch [listname]]
[...]
Updating index files for archive [2002-November]
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/arch", line 187, in ?
    main()

[...]

  File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.5-postfix/fake-sparc64-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 265, in __closeIndices
    index.close()
  File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.5-postfix/fake-sparc64-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 187, in close
    fp.write(marshal.dumps(self.dict))
MemoryError

(side note - I don't know why it was referencing in /usr/ports in the
work directory for the port - this is Mailman installed from OpenBSD
ports; removing that whole directory in ports doesn't break anything. I
checked and I think the inode number was different for stuff in that
directory and the installed stuff in /usr/local/lib/mailman - so I don't
think it was a hard link).

-- 
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Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..."
(Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock")



From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Wed Sep 29 20:16:58 2004
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:16:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: error when running "arch"
In-Reply-To: <20040929172537.GO13093@hq.newdream.net>
References: <20040929172537.GO13093@hq.newdream.net>
Message-ID: <20040929181658.GR13093@hq.newdream.net>

On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 10:25:37AM -0700, Will Yardley wrote:

> Should I file a bug about this (that the error isn't more specific)?
> It would be much more helpful if this said "Cannot write to
> /var/spool/mailman/lists/nord-modular" or something rather than
> "MemoryError".

Eep. I take that back. Even after correcting the permissions, I still
get this error...

Very odd that it's referencing the file of the build directory not the
actual file in /usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman -- however, I can rebuild
the archives of another list without running into this problem, so I
don't /think/ the problem is with the Mailman install itself.

Anything further I can do to debug this? Any idea what the "MemoryError"
refers to?

[...]
Updating HTML for article 1185
Updating index files for archive [2002-November]
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./bin/arch", line 187, in ?
    main()
  File "./bin/arch", line 177, in main
    archiver.close()
  File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.5-postfix/fake-sparc64-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 311, in close
  File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.5-postfix/fake-sparc64-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 527, in update_dirty_archives
  File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.5-postfix/fake-sparc64-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1075, in update_archive
  File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.5-postfix/fake-sparc64-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 428, in update_archive
  File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.5-postfix/fake-sparc64-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 343, in __set_parameters
  File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.5-postfix/fake-sparc64-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 209, in firstdate
  File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.5-postfix/fake-sparc64-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 240, in __openIndices
  File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.5-postfix/fake-sparc64-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 265, in __closeIndices
  File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.5-postfix/fake-sparc64-postfix/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 187, in close
MemoryError

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From snake.lists at snakepit.net  Wed Sep 29 21:10:02 2004
From: snake.lists at snakepit.net (Russ Michaels (Snake))
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:10:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] some questions
In-Reply-To: <20040929152102.95A231E4002@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <20040929190955.9F8651E4002@bag.python.org>

Is there anyone on this list or wot ?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org 
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Russ 
> Michaels (Snake)
> Sent: 29 September 2004 16:21
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] some questions
> 
> Greetings,
>  
> I have recently moved over all our lists to mailman and am 
> having the following issues which I cannot seem to find any 
> option for in the admin menu.
>  
> When messages come in  HTML format, the HEADER text is 
> missing and the FOOTER text comes as an attachment.
> Some users are also complaining that the whole message now 
> comes as an attachment.
>  
> How can I fix this ?
>  
> Russ Michaels
> Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Professional
>  
> Satachi Internet Development
> 
> Phone: 0870 787 3610
> Tech Support: 0906 9607800
> FAX: 0709 2212 636
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From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Sep 29 21:26:08 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:26:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] some questions
In-Reply-To: <20040929190955.9F8651E4002@bag.python.org>
References: <20040929190955.9F8651E4002@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <p0600203dbd80bc25d0c4@[10.0.1.4]>

At 8:10 PM +0100 2004-09-29, Russ Michaels (Snake) wrote:

>  Is there anyone on this list or wot ?

	So, you give people less than four hours to respond before you 
decide we're all dead?  It's not like you're paying us all large sums 
of money to support your every whim and drop everything else we're 
doing.

>>  When messages come in  HTML format, the HEADER text is
>>  missing and the FOOTER text comes as an attachment.
>>  Some users are also complaining that the whole message now
>>  comes as an attachment.

	If you had bothered to search the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> looking for "footer" 
and/or "attachment", you should have found FAQ entry 4.39.

	Feel free to try it now.

-- 
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From jdennis at redhat.com  Wed Sep 29 21:36:35 2004
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:36:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] some questions
In-Reply-To: <20040929190955.9F8651E4002@bag.python.org>
References: <20040929190955.9F8651E4002@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <1096486595.5767.139.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>

On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 15:10, Russ Michaels (Snake) wrote:
> Is there anyone on this list or wot ?

This FAQ entry should answer your question:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp

> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Michaels (Snake)
> > Sent: 29 September 2004 16:21
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] some questions
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> > Greetings,
> >  
> > I have recently moved over all our lists to mailman and am 
> > having the following issues which I cannot seem to find any 
> > option for in the admin menu.
> >  
> > When messages come in  HTML format, the HEADER text is 
> > missing and the FOOTER text comes as an attachment.
> > Some users are also complaining that the whole message now 
> > comes as an attachment.
> >  
> > How can I fix this ?
> >  
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From lists at lastonepicked.com  Thu Sep 30 00:11:24 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:11:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Hit on User Signup?
Message-ID: <BD80811C.3E785%lists@lastonepicked.com>

Upon clicking on the confirmation link and after being asked to confirm
their address and name, the following is returned:


Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!

Traceback:


Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 116, in main
    subscription_confirm(mlist, doc, cookie, cgidata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 351, in
subscription_confirm
    op, addr, pw, digest, lang = mlist.ProcessConfirmation(
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1156, in
ProcessConfirmation
    self.HoldSubscription(addr, fullname, password, digest, lang)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 362, in
HoldSubscription
    id = self.__nextid()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 113, in __nextid
    while True:
NameError: global name 'True' is not defined

The list has been working fine for some time. We are up to 45,000 members.

Are we doing something wrong?

Thanks,
Hunter




From lists at lastonepicked.com  Thu Sep 30 00:21:44 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:21:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Hit on User Signup?
In-Reply-To: <BD80811C.3E785%lists@lastonepicked.com>
Message-ID: <BD808388.3E78F%lists@lastonepicked.com>

So, reading the FAQ (should have done that first), it looks like it is a
Python version problem. We are on 2.2.

I'm still doing my reading but I don't think there is a later version of
Python for my system (RHEL2).


> From: Hunter Hillegas <lists at lastonepicked.com>
> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:11:24 -0700
> To: Mailman <mailman-users at python.org>
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Hit on User Signup?
> 
> Upon clicking on the confirmation link and after being asked to confirm
> their address and name, the following is returned:
> 
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> 
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
> this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
> happened. Thanks!
> 
> Traceback:
> 
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 116, in main
>     subscription_confirm(mlist, doc, cookie, cgidata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 351, in
> subscription_confirm
>     op, addr, pw, digest, lang = mlist.ProcessConfirmation(
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1156, in
> ProcessConfirmation
>     self.HoldSubscription(addr, fullname, password, digest, lang)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 362, in
> HoldSubscription
>     id = self.__nextid()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 113, in __nextid
>     while True:
> NameError: global name 'True' is not defined
> 
> The list has been working fine for some time. We are up to 45,000 members.
> 
> Are we doing something wrong?
> 
> Thanks,
> Hunter
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From lists at lastonepicked.com  Thu Sep 30 00:37:41 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:37:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Hit on User Signup?
In-Reply-To: <B25D3418-1266-11D9-B58F-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <BD808745.3E79F%lists@lastonepicked.com>

RHEL2 doesn't like Python 2.3 out of the box...

Python 2.3 wants BerkeleyDB.
BerkeleyDB wants jdkgcj

...

Anyone have an easy way to get Python 2.3 onto a RHEL2 system?


> From: Dan Phillips <dhphllps at memphis.edu>
> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:27:07 -0500
> To: Hunter Hillegas <lists at lastonepicked.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug Hit on User Signup?
> 
> 
> On Sep 29, 2004, at 5:21 PM, Hunter Hillegas wrote:
> 
>> So, reading the FAQ (should have done that first), it looks like it is
>> a
>> Python version problem. We are on 2.2.
>> 
>> I'm still doing my reading but I don't think there is a later version
>> of
>> Python for my system (RHEL2).
>> 
>> 
> 
> I was able to install Python 2.3 from source very easily on Mac OS X.
> Don't know about your system, though.
> 
> dan
> 
> 
> ================================
> Dan Phillips
> Associate Professor of Horn, University of Memphis
> site administrator: music.memphis.edu
> 




From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 30 00:40:29 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:40:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Hit on User Signup?
In-Reply-To: <BD808388.3E78F%lists@lastonepicked.com>
References: <BD808388.3E78F%lists@lastonepicked.com>
Message-ID: <p06002041bd80ea2197ed@[10.0.1.4]>

At 3:21 PM -0700 2004-09-29, Hunter Hillegas wrote:

>  So, reading the FAQ (should have done that first), it looks like it is a
>  Python version problem. We are on 2.2.

	Yup.  Python 2.3 is required for Mailman 2.1.5.

>  I'm still doing my reading but I don't think there is a later version of
>  Python for my system (RHEL2).

	I would be surprised if RPMs for Python 2.3 are not available, 
but you could always choose to build from source.  Or, you could 
build your own packages and then install them.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From rufranco at utep.edu  Thu Sep 30 00:59:43 2004
From: rufranco at utep.edu (Franco, Ruben)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:59:43 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reset  Archive to  Private on all existing lists
Message-ID: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650F91@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>

Hello,
	We changed the option "DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE" to "1" in the "Defaults.py" file, but we are wondering, "Is there a way to rest the Archive option to PRIVATE for any of our existing lists without having to go to each individual list one at a time"?

Ruben





From lists at lastonepicked.com  Thu Sep 30 01:21:11 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:21:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Hit on User Signup?
In-Reply-To: <p06002041bd80ea2197ed@[10.0.1.4]>
Message-ID: <BD809177.3E7C1%lists@lastonepicked.com>

If I install 2.3, is there an easy way to get Mailman to use that instead of
an older Python2 version?

Hunter

> From: Brad Knowles <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:40:29 +0200
> To: Hunter Hillegas <lists at lastonepicked.com>
> Cc: Mailman <mailman-users at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug Hit on User Signup?
> 
> At 3:21 PM -0700 2004-09-29, Hunter Hillegas wrote:
> 
>>  So, reading the FAQ (should have done that first), it looks like it is a
>>  Python version problem. We are on 2.2.
> 
> Yup.  Python 2.3 is required for Mailman 2.1.5.
> 
>>  I'm still doing my reading but I don't think there is a later version of
>>  Python for my system (RHEL2).
> 
> I would be surprised if RPMs for Python 2.3 are not available,
> but you could always choose to build from source.  Or, you could
> build your own packages and then install them.
> 
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
> 
> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
> 
>      -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
>      Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755
> 
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.




From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 30 01:33:27 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 01:33:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Hit on User Signup?
In-Reply-To: <BD809177.3E7C1%lists@lastonepicked.com>
References: <BD809177.3E7C1%lists@lastonepicked.com>
Message-ID: <p06002045bd80f663775b@[10.0.1.4]>

At 4:21 PM -0700 2004-09-29, Hunter Hillegas wrote:

>  If I install 2.3, is there an easy way to get Mailman to use that instead of
>  an older Python2 version?

	I think that depends on how you install it.  If you install it 
over the existing Python 2.2 installation, that should work. 
Alternatively, if you stop Mailman, de-install Python 2.2, then 
install Python 2.3, that should also work.

	Otherwise, you're likely to have to play some interesting games 
with alternative directories, unusual paths, perhaps some symbolic 
links, and who knows what else.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From lists at lastonepicked.com  Thu Sep 30 01:37:23 2004
From: lists at lastonepicked.com (Hunter Hillegas)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:37:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Hit on User Signup?
In-Reply-To: <p06002045bd80f663775b@[10.0.1.4]>
Message-ID: <BD809543.3E7CF%lists@lastonepicked.com>

FYI for the list:

1. Downloaded Python 2.3 tgz.
2. Configured with alternate prefix (/usr/local/python2.3)
3. Built 2.3
4. Reconfigured mailman 2.1.5 with new python binary location.
5. Recompiled mailman.

Mailman was off during this procedure.

Seems to be working fine.


> From: Brad Knowles <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 01:33:27 +0200
> To: Hunter Hillegas <lists at lastonepicked.com>
> Cc: Brad Knowles <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>, Mailman
> <mailman-users at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug Hit on User Signup?
> 
> At 4:21 PM -0700 2004-09-29, Hunter Hillegas wrote:
> 
>>  If I install 2.3, is there an easy way to get Mailman to use that instead of
>>  an older Python2 version?
> 
> I think that depends on how you install it.  If you install it
> over the existing Python 2.2 installation, that should work.
> Alternatively, if you stop Mailman, de-install Python 2.2, then
> install Python 2.3, that should also work.
> 
> Otherwise, you're likely to have to play some interesting games
> with alternative directories, unusual paths, perhaps some symbolic
> links, and who knows what else.
> 
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
> 
> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
> 
>      -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
>      Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755
> 
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.




From rufranco at utep.edu  Thu Sep 30 01:57:14 2004
From: rufranco at utep.edu (Franco, Ruben)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:57:14 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Reset Archive to Private on all existing lists
Message-ID: <ABEE86028827FF4FB7FF10890F537FB7650F9F@itdsrvmail00.utep.edu>


Okay, will I was able to use a the "list_lists -b" command to create complete listing of our lists (lists.txt).  Then incorporated that list into a script that used "config_list" with an configuration input file "private_archive.txt" to reset every list to private archives only (archive_private = 1).


#---------Reset Lists to Private Archive-------------------------
#
CONFIG=/usr/local/mailman/bin/private_archive.txt
LISTS=/usr/local/mailman/bin/lists.txt
#
for list in `cat $LISTS`
do
echo "$list"
config_list -vi $CONFIG "$list"
### Test run with Checkonly option
###config_list -cvi $CONFIG "$list"
done
exit


>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	Franco, Ruben  
> Sent:	Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:00 PM
> To:	'mailman-users at python.org'
> Subject:	Reset  Archive to  Private on all existing lists
> 
> Hello,
> 	We changed the option "DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE" to "1" in the "Defaults.py" file, but we are wondering, "Is there a way to rest the Archive option to PRIVATE for any of our existing lists without having to go to each individual list one at a time"?
> 
> Ruben
> 
> 
> 


From msapiro at value.net  Thu Sep 30 03:27:29 2004
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:27:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suscribe policy
In-Reply-To: <754EFD142DB09883254E578A@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <PC171020040929182729050094faf031@msapiro>

Ian Eiloart wrote:
>
>--On Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:13 am +0200 Stefan Hofmeir 
><Stefan1 at Hofmeir.de> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> how can I change the subscribe policy to no confirmation (no user
>> confirmation, no admin confirmation)?
>> I am using mailman 2.1.5.
>
>You can't. That would be a very bad thing, since it would allow me (for 
>example) to subscribe you (for example) to mailing lists that you didn't 
>want to belong to. Only the administrator of the mailing list should have 
>that power.

I agree with Ian that it is a bad thing to do, but if after really
considering the drawbacks of allowing "spoofed" subscribes and dealing
with irate victims and having your lists blacklisted by AOL, Yahoo,
etc. when the victims click "this is spam" on your list e-mails, you
still want to do it, set

  ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = Yes

in mm_cfg.py and you will then have the option. Or in other words, the
gun will be loaded and you can then shoot yourself in the foot.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Sep 30 06:52:42 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:52:42 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Usiing the withlist with
	default_member_moderation and accept-these_nonmembers
In-Reply-To: <4159D07E.3000701@isu.edu>
References: <4159D07E.3000701@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <8FE95E3D-129C-11D9-800B-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

On Sep 29, 2004, at 05:58, Kory Wheatley wrote:

> but the "accept_these_nonmembers" object I'm having troubles with.  
> When I try to add an email address, it shows up in the configuration 
> like this:
> w
> e
> b
> @
> i
> s
> u
> .
> e
> d
> u
>
> How can I get the whole thing on one line.  There's my python code
>
> import sys
> #Run this script with
> #withlist -l -r change_values mylist
> #   def change_values(mlist):
>    print 'LIST ', mlist.internal_name()
>    print '    Default Member Moderation Before: ', 
> mlist.default_member_moderation
>    print '    Accepted Non Members Before: ', 
> mlist.accept_these_nonmembers
>    mlist.default_member_moderation = 1
>    mlist.accept_these_nonmembers  =  "root at mm.isu.edu'

accept_these_nonmembers is a list, not a simple string.  To add an 
entry:
     mlist.accept_these_nonmembers.append("root at mm.isu.edu")
or, if you are trying to (re)set it:
     mlist.accept_these_nonmembers = ["root at mm.isu.edu"]


-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From scott at nexus-iservices.com  Thu Sep 30 07:13:54 2004
From: scott at nexus-iservices.com (scott at nexus-iservices.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 01:13:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman "webcreate" page and proxy-ing problems
Message-ID: <003d01c4a6ac$48c6f280$6501a8c0@p3vaio>

I've been running Mailman 2.0.x through a proxy to the /localhost/ so as to
only need one single install of Mailman across a number of virtual domains
for sometime now.  it's worked well under 2.0.x... one install - many
domains.

I've recently upgraded to Python 2.3 and the Mailman 2.1.5 release....all
the old /admin/  /listinfo/ etc.. pages continue to work with this scheme...
However, the list creation page that was introduced with the 2.1 code base
is lifting it's page host-name references out of the proxy, rather than the
calling page.  Submitting the form, or clicking the links on the bottom of
the page all try to direct the browser to /localhost/.    I dont see this
behaviour on the other pages.

Is there some mm_cfg.py setting that I've forgotten to override?... or a
template I can force?

I do have a

	add_virtualhost('apollo.host-ops.com', 'apollo.host-ops.com')

in the bottom of the mm_cfg.py, and

	DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST
	DEFAULT_URL_HOST

are both set to the above inside Defaults.py, so I have no need to override
them....

Any help would be appreciated.




From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Sep 30 07:33:25 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:33:25 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] dumb question
In-Reply-To: <20040929142612.GN32249@fractalus.com>
References: <20040929142612.GN32249@fractalus.com>
Message-ID: <3FF10F4A-12A2-11D9-A206-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

On Sep 29, 2004, at 23:26, SteveC wrote:

> I want to delete all the messages in a mailing lists admin requests. I
> have 130 odd spams I want to kill. Im also the site admin...
>
> Is there a quick way to do this without clicking them all?

There are several ways to do this.

If you have shell access on the server, I think the easiest is to:
1. become the mailman user
2. change to the mailman/data directory
3. use the bin/discard tool to discard the held messages:
     ../bin/discard heldmsg-thelist-*

The Mailman FAQ lists (at least) a couple of other ways.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Sep 30 07:41:16 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:41:16 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: error when running "arch"
In-Reply-To: <20040929181658.GR13093@hq.newdream.net>
References: <20040929172537.GO13093@hq.newdream.net>
	<20040929181658.GR13093@hq.newdream.net>
Message-ID: <5906CE64-12A3-11D9-A206-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

On Sep 30, 2004, at 03:16, Will Yardley wrote:

> Anything further I can do to debug this? Any idea what the 
> "MemoryError"
> refers to?

How large are your archives?

I think Pipermail still tries to slurp the entire archive into memory 
when arch regenerates the archives.  That is why arch accepts the 
--start=N and --end=M options.  You can run arch multiple times (only 
the first with --wipe), specifying different blocks of messages to 
process in each execution.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Sep 30 07:51:31 2004
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:51:31 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no public archives possible
In-Reply-To: <200409282125.59826.heiner@kflog.org>
References: <200409282125.59826.heiner@kflog.org>
Message-ID: <C7AD42BA-12A4-11D9-A206-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net>

On Sep 29, 2004, at 04:25, Heiner Lamprecht wrote:

> [...] And when I want to see the archive, I
> only get "Access denied" (no matter, what domain I use).  Apache
> log says:
>
> "client denied by server
> configuration: /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/<listname>"

Is your Apache configured to follow symbolic links?  (Where they exist, 
the public archives are simply symbolic links to the private archives.) 
  See Apache's "Options FollowSymLinks" and make sure it applies to your 
/var/lib/mailman/archives/public directory.

> P.S.: Is there any way to limit a list to one domain?  I don't need
> to have multiple lists with the same name but for different
> domains.  But I don't like the idea, that one can post to one list,
> using every domain of the server ...

That is a function of your mail server configuration.  Have it consider 
both the local part and the domain name when checking the aliases that 
direct mail to Mailman.

-- 
Jim Tittsler             http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship          http://Starship.Python.net/
Ringo MUG Tokyo          http://www.ringo.net/rss.html



From madduck at madduck.net  Thu Sep 30 08:53:42 2004
From: madduck at madduck.net (martin f krafft)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:53:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] scrubbing attachments
Message-ID: <20040930065342.GA17031@cirrus.madduck.net>

In our lab, everyone continuously sends PDFs of several megabytes.
Mailman archives these nicely, referencing scrubbed attachments from
the archived message:

  A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
  Name: programm_ssf04.pdf
  Type: application/pdf
  Size: 3477360 bytes
  Desc: not available
  Url : ...

However, the attachment is still delivered to all 80+ subscribers.

I wonder if it's possible to replace the attachment in the email
with a link to the file saved under /attachments/... of the list
archives? Or is this not possible because the archives are actually
generated separately by pipermail?

-- 
martin;              (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
  \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" net at madduck
 
invalid/expired pgp subkeys? use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver!
spamtraps: madduck.bogus at madduck.net
 
"time flies like an arrow. fruit flies like a banana."
                                                       -- groucho marx
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From chanaka at vcs.informatics.lk  Thu Sep 30 11:42:16 2004
From: chanaka at vcs.informatics.lk (Chanaka De mel)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:42:16 +0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:Installaition Issues
Message-ID: <200409300938.i8U9cEBP012854@shrek.informatics.lk>

Dear All

I am pretty new to mail man and am having some problems in installation with
version 2.1.5.

 

1 is it possible to get members of user lists from one server to another
when migrating

2 same way is it possible to get archived mails to the new server?

 

Chanaka- 



From nikos at qbit.gr  Thu Sep 30 14:47:18 2004
From: nikos at qbit.gr (nikos)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:47:18 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list not listing
Message-ID: <006801c4a6eb$9f535320$0400a8c0@nikos>

 Hello list

I have a silly problem. I have on my RH-9 server 2 lists working
perfect.
A few days ago in ../mailman/listinfo I see only one. Both of them
working with no problems.
Why I canot see the second one?

Thank you Nikos



From nikos at qbit.gr  Thu Sep 30 14:51:19 2004
From: nikos at qbit.gr (nikos)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:51:19 +0300
Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] list not listing
Message-ID: <006901c4a6ec$2eedb700$0400a8c0@nikos>

Ooops Forget it!

There was something in privacy option!

Sorry Everybody



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 30 15:21:11 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:21:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] scrubbing attachments
In-Reply-To: <20040930065342.GA17031@cirrus.madduck.net>
References: <20040930065342.GA17031@cirrus.madduck.net>
Message-ID: <p06002004bd81b7edd81f@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:53 AM +0200 2004-09-30, martin f krafft wrote:

>  However, the attachment is still delivered to all 80+ subscribers.
>
>  I wonder if it's possible to replace the attachment in the email
>  with a link to the file saved under /attachments/... of the list
>  archives? Or is this not possible because the archives are actually
>  generated separately by pipermail?

	The archiving step is separate from the mailing list processing, 
and that is where the attachment stripping is performed.  It's 
difficult to solve this in a general way, since internal hostnames 
might be totally different from external hostnames, and you're 
crossing protocol boundaries (SMTP to HTTP).

	With the list archive, you're staying within protocol boundaries 
(anyone who can see the archive should be able to likewise see the 
attachments through the same mechanism).


	I'm not aware of any patches to produce the kind of behaviour 
you're looking for, but you can search the list on the Mailman page 
at SourceForge.

	Failing that, you're welcome to contribute patches to achieve 
this functionality.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 30 15:26:10 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:26:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman "webcreate" page and
 proxy-ing problems
In-Reply-To: <003d01c4a6ac$48c6f280$6501a8c0@p3vaio>
References: <003d01c4a6ac$48c6f280$6501a8c0@p3vaio>
Message-ID: <p06002006bd81b97c35a0@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:13 AM -0400 2004-09-30, <scott at nexus-iservices.com> wrote:

>  I've been running Mailman 2.0.x through a proxy to the /localhost/ so as to
>  only need one single install of Mailman across a number of virtual domains
>  for sometime now.  it's worked well under 2.0.x... one install - many
>  domains.

	I think you may find FAQ 4.47 in the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> to be of interest.  So far 
as I know, these are the only virtual domain hosting solutions 
possible with Mailman.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 30 15:23:39 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:23:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:Installaition Issues
In-Reply-To: <200409300938.i8U9cEBP012854@shrek.informatics.lk>
References: <200409300938.i8U9cEBP012854@shrek.informatics.lk>
Message-ID: <p06002005bd81b8d30e09@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:42 PM +0600 2004-09-30, Chanaka De mel wrote:

>  1 is it possible to get members of user lists from one server to another
>  when migrating

	Yes.  There are several ways to do this.  See the Mailman FAQ 
Wizard at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py>.  One FAQ entry 
you should look at is #4.9.

>  2 same way is it possible to get archived mails to the new server?

	Yes.  Download the archive from the old server, and use the tools 
provided by Mailman to import that archive.  Again, see the FAQ 
Wizard and search for the word "archive".

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From rschmid-mailman at raptor.net  Thu Sep 30 16:47:31 2004
From: rschmid-mailman at raptor.net (Robert Schmid)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:47:31 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] File Sharing Add-On?
Message-ID: <40766.198.175.249.10.1096555652.squirrel@www.raptor.net>


Is there any sort of add-on or companion program that would allow mailman
users an easy way to share files without actually mailing them?  (Or,
better yet, strip them out of emails and store them for download off the
web).

Thanks,

Robert Schmid




From seymourd at chazy.org  Thu Sep 30 20:00:40 2004
From: seymourd at chazy.org (Derrick Seymour)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:00:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists in OSX
Message-ID: <BD81C208.FF5%seymourd@chazy.org>

I am trying to configure mailing list in Mac OSX Server 10.3.5.  I am having
trouble posting to the list, or I should say my test users are having
trouble.  Upon posting to a list this message is sent back:

This is the Postfix program at host test.org.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

            The Postfix program

<test at server.test.org>: mail for server.test.org loops back to myself

Reporting-MTA: dns; test.org
Arrival-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:34:37 -0400 (EDT)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; test at server.test.org
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail for server.test.org loops back to myself




I am quite green at this and any help would be appreciated

Thanks

Derrick




From jswartzen at despammed.com  Thu Sep 30 20:58:21 2004
From: jswartzen at despammed.com (John Swartzentruber)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:58:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: scrubbing attachments
In-Reply-To: <p06002004bd81b7edd81f@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <20040930065342.GA17031@cirrus.madduck.net>
	<p06002004bd81b7edd81f@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <cjhl0d$tqj$1@sea.gmane.org>

On 9/30/2004 9:21 AM Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 8:53 AM +0200 2004-09-30, martin f krafft wrote:
>
>>  However, the attachment is still delivered to all 80+ subscribers.
>>
>>  I wonder if it's possible to replace the attachment in the email
>>  with a link to the file saved under /attachments/... of the list
>>  archives? Or is this not possible because the archives are actually
>>  generated separately by pipermail?
>
>
>     The archiving step is separate from the mailing list processing, 
> and that is where the attachment stripping is performed.  It's 
> difficult to solve this in a general way, since internal hostnames 
> might be totally different from external hostnames, and you're 
> crossing protocol boundaries (SMTP to HTTP).
>
>     With the list archive, you're staying within protocol boundaries 
> (anyone who can see the archive should be able to likewise see the 
> attachments through the same mechanism).
>
>
>     I'm not aware of any patches to produce the kind of behaviour 
> you're looking for, but you can search the list on the Mailman page at 
> SourceForge.

There is a patch, but I don't have any reference handy right now. I 
think if you (the OP) look for "Scrubber.py" in the patches, you should 
find something. I believe the patch was for an earlier version, but I 
applied it to 2.1.5 and it is working for me.



From frankt at pdx.edu  Thu Sep 30 21:25:32 2004
From: frankt at pdx.edu (Frank Torres)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:25:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Both Mailman and Majordomo
Message-ID: <1096572332.16245.250.camel@madeye>

Queston, I have been unsuccessful at getting mailman and majordomo to
run on the same host. I am using sendmail and the mailman mm-handler.
Mailman is working great its just that majordomo is not. I did put an
'A' in the mailer table for alias expansion but that does not seem to
work completely.

If some body has done this and can share this info that would be great.
I have been scouring the web to no avail. I need to transition majordomo
out but I can not do it abruptly.

Best Regards,
Frank 
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From frankt at pdx.edu  Thu Sep 30 22:05:05 2004
From: frankt at pdx.edu (Frank Torres)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:05:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Both Mailman and Majordomo
In-Reply-To: <1096572332.16245.250.camel@madeye>
References: <1096572332.16245.250.camel@madeye>
Message-ID: <1096574705.16245.298.camel@madeye>

Sorry, I'll be a little clearer this time here is what I am trying to
do. Please let me know if this is possible.
<somelist>@my.domain

Based on <somelist> I scan the aliases file for majordomo stuff then If
I do not find nothing go to mailman and see if list is in mailman. I
really do not want to do different domains if at all possible. I should
be able to use the same domain. All using the most friendly mta's ever
built sendmail<grin>

Best Regards,
Frank Torres

On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 12:25, Frank Torres wrote:
> Queston, I have been unsuccessful at getting mailman and majordomo to
> run on the same host. I am using sendmail and the mailman mm-handler.
> Mailman is working great its just that majordomo is not. I did put an
> 'A' in the mailer table for alias expansion but that does not seem to
> work completely.
> 
> If some body has done this and can share this info that would be great.
> I have been scouring the web to no avail. I need to transition majordomo
> out but I can not do it abruptly.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Frank 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
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From eric at pretorious.net  Thu Sep 30 22:09:20 2004
From: eric at pretorious.net (Eric Pretorious)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:09:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Recovering the virtual-mailman file
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409280730210.22880@tigger.rogueind.com>
References: <200409261310.31448.eric@pretorious.net>
	<200409272235.18926.ericp@he.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0409280730210.22880@tigger.rogueind.com>
Message-ID: <200409301309.20747.eric@pretorious.net>

On Tuesday 28 September 2004 04:34 am, Tom Diehl wrote:
>On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Eric Pretorious wrote:
>> On Sunday 26 September 2004 01:10 pm, Eric Pretorious wrote:
>> >I ran `bin/genaliases` this morning and it emptied my
>> >data/virtual-mailman file. Is there any way to recover this file? e.g.,
>> > maybe from the data/virtual-mailman.db file?
>>
>> When I execute `bin/genaliases` now, it complains...
>>
>> >mailman # bin/genaliases
>> >postmap: fatal: open /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman.db:
>> > Permission denied
>> >Traceback (most recent call last):
>> >  File "bin/genaliases", line 116, in ?
>> >    main()
>> >  File "bin/genaliases", line 106, in main
>> >    MTA.create(mlist, nolock=True, quiet=quiet)
>> >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create
>> >    _update_maps()
>> >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 60, in
>> > _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (vcmd, status, errstr)
>> >RuntimeError: command failed:
>> >/usr/sbin/postmap /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman (status: 1,
>> >  Operation not permitted)
>> How can I recover from this?
>
>Fix the permissions/ownership of virtual-mailman. Did you actually read the
>error message above??

Yes - of course I *read* the error message above. I just didn't *understand* 
the error message above.  ;)

Thanks - you were right. Somehow the file's owner had been changed from 
mailman to apache.

-- 
Eric P.,
Sunnyvale, CA


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 30 23:48:35 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:48:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] File Sharing Add-On?
In-Reply-To: <40766.198.175.249.10.1096555652.squirrel@www.raptor.net>
References: <40766.198.175.249.10.1096555652.squirrel@www.raptor.net>
Message-ID: <p0600200cbd822f49d196@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:47 AM -0500 2004-09-30, Robert Schmid wrote:

>  Is there any sort of add-on or companion program that would allow mailman
>  users an easy way to share files without actually mailing them?  (Or,
>  better yet, strip them out of emails and store them for download off the
>  web).

	You should search the archives.  This subject has come up several 
times before.

	The short answer is no.  The long answer is quite a bit more 
complex, and for many sites it may be completely impossible to 
implement this kind of functionality, even if the feature were 
technically available within Mailman.


	If you want that sort of thing, you should use a file sharing P2P 
network, or a WebDAV server, etc....

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Sep 30 23:51:46 2004
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:51:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists in OSX
In-Reply-To: <BD81C208.FF5%seymourd@chazy.org>
References: <BD81C208.FF5%seymourd@chazy.org>
Message-ID: <p0600200dbd822fc3ee3b@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:00 PM -0400 2004-09-30, Derrick Seymour wrote:

>  <test at server.test.org>: mail for server.test.org loops back to myself

	This is an MTA problem, not a problem with Mailman.  I suggest 
you use the online documentation at <http://www.postfix.org/> to help 
you find the solution.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From matt at pantechnicon.co.uk  Wed Sep 29 13:31:11 2004
From: matt at pantechnicon.co.uk (Matthew Wheeler)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:31:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and hotmail fiters
Message-ID: <20040929113121.CA2951E4002@bag.python.org>

Hi,

I cuttently have mailman set up on my webserver.  We're getting a lot of
trouble with hotmail and its junk mail filters.  Do you have any tip and
tricks on getting mail delivered straight into the inbox without training.


Thanks

Matthew Wheeler 



From linux at frodo.hserus.net  Wed Sep 29 16:56:05 2004
From: linux at frodo.hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:26:05 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [exim] exim+mailman,
	received mail never goes out
In-Reply-To: <415AAF1E.5040705@gmx.net>
References: <4594.1096429821@www17.gmx.net>
	<20040929041912.GC13994@www.lobefin.net> <415AAF1E.5040705@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20040929145605.GA83155@frodo.hserus.net>

On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 03:48:30PM +0300, Luc Saffre wrote:
> On 29.09.2004 07:19, Stephen Gran wrote:
> 
>  > Mailman isn't running it's queue - check the various logs for why.
> 
> That was it. Thanks for your hint, Stephen.
> 
> I just needed to do
>   /etc/init.d/mailman start
> and the whole system started to work.

Check why it didn't start at boot time (man chkconfig if that's an rpm based
distribution), or if it is set to start at boot time, check why it stopped

-- 
linux at frodo.hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
jaharkes at ravel:/usr/src$ mv linux Gnu/Linux
mv: cannot move `linux' to `Gnu/Linux': No such file or directory
	jaharkes @ cs.cmu.edu in reply to RMS on linux.kernel


From knabet at wou.edu  Wed Sep 29 19:17:27 2004
From: knabet at wou.edu (Travis Knabe)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:17:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Issue
Message-ID: <1525313dd1.13dd115253@wou.edu>

I'm using iPlanet 6.x and mailman 2.x

Everything has been working fine; and I'm not sure
anything changed.  However at this time when a user
subscribes to a list, which allows auto subscription
( no approval ) then a server error is returned. 
They seem to get subscribed, but they don't get a
confirmation page.  If they mis-type their password
the same subscribe script runs successfully and
tells  them their passwords don't match.

Here are web server log files.

[29/Sep/2004:09:54:37] failure (23393): for host
140.211.114.76 trying to POST
/mailman/subscribe/hst410, cgi_scan_headers reports:
the CGI program
/global/a1/data/solaris8/apps/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe
did not produce a valid header (name without value:
got line "  file "../mailman/logging/logger.py",
line 55, in __get_f")

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Best Regards

Travis



From ericp at he.net  Tue Sep 28 07:42:29 2004
From: ericp at he.net (Eric Pretorious)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:42:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recovering the virtual-mailman file
In-Reply-To: <200409261310.31448.eric@pretorious.net>
References: <200409261310.31448.eric@pretorious.net>
Message-ID: <200409272242.29939.ericp@he.net>

On Sunday 26 September 2004 01:10 pm, Eric Pretorious wrote:
>I ran `bin/genaliases` this morning and it emptied my
>data/virtual-mailman file. Is there any way to recover this file? e.g.,
> maybe from the data/virtual-mailman.db file?

I'm sure that it must be possible. `bin/list_lists` is still able to access 
information about the lists...

># bin/list_lists
>6 matching mailing lists found:
>             Admins - Administrators of LHN Accounts
>                BOD - SMLL Board of Directors
>    D44-tournaments - District 44 Tournament and General Information.
>            Mailman - [no description available]
>         Presidents - District 44 Presidents, and District Board
>               SSLL - Sunnyvale Southern General Distribution

...so the data's got to be there. I just don't know how to get at it.

-- 
Eric P.


From Sharon.Anderson at dhl.com  Thu Sep 30 15:17:05 2004
From: Sharon.Anderson at dhl.com (Sharon Anderson (DHL US))
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 06:17:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disable email list
Message-ID: <0307730AB7EDC6419E42AF6D65F03EAE21CB6D@PHXDCEX003.phx-dc.dhl.com>

Please contact me with details on how to disable email address "
GSA at dhl.com"  for my mailing list.

 

Thanks

Sharon

 

Sharon A. Anderson 

Operations Program Support

Doc and Comm Specialist

Gateway Services

----------------------

Dhl Express

8100 S.W. 10th Street

Plantation, Florida 33324

Phone: 954-626-4219

Fax: 954-626-4325

----------------------

Comat: MMR-RO

Sharon.Anderson at dhl.com <mailto:Sharon.Anderson at dhl.com>  www.dhl.com 

 



From bbuchana at mailer.fsu.edu  Thu Sep 30 16:28:43 2004
From: bbuchana at mailer.fsu.edu (bbuchana at mailer.fsu.edu)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 9:28:43 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman forwards posts sent by nonmembers,
 but seems to completely ignore member posts
Message-ID: <200409301428.i8UESh6t001459@ldap3.fsu.edu>

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