From heather at lexblog.com  Fri Apr  1 01:05:13 2005
From: heather at lexblog.com (Heather Arthur)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:05:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about your product
Message-ID: <BE71C229.1EEB%heather@lexblog.com>

I am currently looking for a system that we can dump thousands of emails
into. We will need to be able to send an email out to all of our subscribers
from an alias email (that will be attached to a blog site). We need to have
unsubscribe option (preferable the htlm so we can use on our current site)
and a subscribe option that we can up on our blog site. We need to be able
to have different lists. How many people can we have on one list? We also
want a web based software.

Let me know if you can help me. This is very time sensitive to a quick
response would be appreciated. I find phone calls best.

Thanks so much and I look forward to hearing from you!

Heather




From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Apr  1 09:09:38 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 09:09:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about your product
In-Reply-To: <BE71C229.1EEB%heather@lexblog.com>
References: <BE71C229.1EEB%heather@lexblog.com>
Message-ID: <p06200731be72a26c0aed@[10.0.1.3]>

At 3:05 PM -0800 2005-03-31, Heather Arthur wrote:

>  I am currently looking for a system that we can dump thousands of emails
>  into.

	You might want to clarify your requirements so that people don't 
confuse you with a spammer.

>        We will need to be able to send an email out to all of our subscribers
>  from an alias email (that will be attached to a blog site). We need to have
>  unsubscribe option (preferable the htlm so we can use on our current site)
>  and a subscribe option that we can up on our blog site. We need to be able
>  to have different lists.

	All of this can be done with Mailman.  Some of it might require 
editing some HTML templates or other minor modifications to the 
configuration, but it shouldn't be too hard.

>                            How many people can we have on one list?

	There is no set arbitrary limit.  The real practical limit is how 
many users can you serve?  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.015.htp> 
for more information.

>                                                                     We also
>  want a web based software.

	Mailman does have a web administration component, but there are 
some things that are more easily done from the command-line of the 
server where the software is installed, or can only be done from the 
command-line.

	If you want to learn more about it, I'd encourage you to read 
through the documentation linked under 
<http://www.list.org/docs.html>, the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py>, and search the archives 
of the mailman-users mailing list according to the instructions at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.018.htp>.

>  Let me know if you can help me. This is very time sensitive to a quick
>  response would be appreciated. I find phone calls best.

	Well, considering that you didn't give us any telephone number 
for contacting you, that's obviously not going to happen.  Moreover, 
this is an open-source project that is supported on an as-available 
basis by the developers in their part-time, so even if you had given 
us a phone number you almost certainly wouldn't get someone to call 
you about it.

	Although I believe that Mailman is one of the best mailing list 
management programs on the 'net, there is no commercial organization 
behind it that is pushing sales or anything.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Apr  1 09:13:46 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 09:13:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A funny thing happened while using
 mail man.
In-Reply-To: <19c.305cfee7.2f7d9eee@aol.com>
References: <19c.305cfee7.2f7d9eee@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p06200732be72a43b7785@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:43 PM -0500 2005-03-31, ICHRONSTUDIO at aol.com wrote:

>  I now know how to set it up as announce only.  I even know how to put  my
>  database on with out sending out a thank you for subscribing mail.  How  do I
>  stop the continuing replies?

	Well, that depends on how they're doing the continuing replies. 
If all those people are doing "Reply-All", then most of them are 
being sent directly from each person to each other person who was 
named in the previous message to which someone did a "Reply-All", and 
since none of that passes through your machines, there's not much you 
can do.

	Anything passing through your machines should be passing through 
your lists, and if you've got the list configurations set up 
correctly now, they should already be stopped.

>  Sorry to bother you about this, it was my own ignorance that put me here,
>  but I was hoping that you might be able to suggest sometihng to get me  out.

	In my experience, one general rule is that when you add a bunch 
of people to a list and you don't send out an announcement welcoming 
them to the list, and large numbers of people start immediately 
responding with "STOP SENDING ME E-MAIL" complaints, etc.... that 
means you're basically sending spam, and that makes you a spammer.

	In the future, if you don't want to be lumped in with that class 
of person, I would encourage you to do things differently so that 
your activities do not encourage those people to respond that way.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From heather at madrone.com  Fri Apr  1 09:45:03 2005
From: heather at madrone.com (Heather Madrone)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:45:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A funny thing happened while using  mail man.
In-Reply-To: <p06200732be72a43b7785@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <19c.305cfee7.2f7d9eee@aol.com> <p06200732be72a43b7785@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <p06210251be72a85d986d@[192.168.123.100]>

At 9:13 AM +0200 4/1/05, Brad Knowles wrote:
>	In my experience, one general rule is that when you add a 
>bunch of people to a list and you don't send out an announcement 
>welcoming them to the list, and large numbers of people start 
>immediately responding with "STOP SENDING ME E-MAIL" complaints, 
>etc.... that means you're basically sending spam, and that makes you 
>a spammer.

Although it is amazing the number of people who can get themselves
on a double opt-in Mailman list with unsubscribe links everywhere
they turn and still send "GET ME OFF THIS STUPID LIST OR
ELSE!" messages to the whole list.  Or fail to find the list on their
yahoogroups and so decide that the best way to get off the list is to
report it as spam.

-- 
Heather Madrone, who has Mailman installed on OpenBSD and is
trying to figure out where the 404s are coming from.  The httpd.conf
file looks right, and check_perms runs clean.  But such is progress.
(heather at madrone.com)  http://www.madrone.com

A rolling stone gathers no mass.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Apr  1 13:27:04 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 13:27:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A funny thing happened while using 
 mail man.
In-Reply-To: <p06210251be72a85d986d@[192.168.123.100]>
References: <19c.305cfee7.2f7d9eee@aol.com> <p06200732be72a43b7785@[10.0.1.3]>
	<p06210251be72a85d986d@[192.168.123.100]>
Message-ID: <p06200733be72dfe07215@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:45 PM -0800 2005-03-31, Heather Madrone wrote:

>  Although it is amazing the number of people who can get themselves
>  on a double opt-in Mailman list with unsubscribe links everywhere
>  they turn and still send "GET ME OFF THIS STUPID LIST OR
>  ELSE!" messages to the whole list.

	That's certainly true.


	Or the people who see the word "mailman" somewhere in the 
messages that they're receiving, so they come and threaten legal 
action against us because we're "obviously" the one and only source 
for anything in the world that ever gets labeled "mailman", even 
though the message pretty clearly says what domain is hosting it, 
etc....

	Do you ever wonder why Barry can sometimes be hard to get hold 
of?  Or why he has set up an auto-responder that tells people he 
can't do anything to unsubscribe them from mailing lists that we 
don't run?

	Yeesh.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From J.A.McCrea at kent.ac.uk  Fri Apr  1 17:27:46 2005
From: J.A.McCrea at kent.ac.uk (James McCrea)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:27:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LDAP integration (& passwords)
Message-ID: <20050401152746.GG15400@kent.ac.uk>

Hi list,

I'm going to be deploying mailman in place of majordomo soon, but just
have some questions that i've not been able to find answers for thus
far...

We have an institution wide LDAP service which will increasingly contain
information that we would use for building lists from. This would include
both lists created dynamically from the ldap info at mail-time, and also
those created (perhaps via a script) that check for an attribute at some
given point and build a list.

In addition to the above we use the LDAP servers for authentication for
services such as mail, and the passwords stored here are in sync with
those on our Active Directory setup.

It is *very* desireable to be able to allow users to authenticate for
mailing list purposes by using their existing password that is used for
all other services (mail, webmail, logging on, restricted site access
etc)
I know that some of this functionality is available via 3rd party
plugins, but I'm wondering if this will be integrated with the mail
mailman stream in the future, as i'd look silly working to merge things
and then finding that! ;)

Obviously monthly reminders etc are inappropriate in this setup, we
wouldn't want the passwords being pushed about in plain text. But i'm happy
that's not a major problem and can be sorted whenever.

Any pointers or info about the mailman roadmap much appreciated, as are
comments from people (esp educational institutions) running in a similar
fashion.

Cheers
James McCrea
Computing Officer
University of Kent


NB, just in case it helps, here's our background:
We have approx 2000 lists, most of which are less than a hundred addressses
and change relatively frequently (~annually) and the others which are
just a few lists with many users (up to a few thousand addresses)


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr  1 19:11:32 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 09:11:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A funny thing happened while usingmail man.
In-Reply-To: <p06200732be72a43b7785@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <PC174520050401091132017101975d4b@Notebook>

Brad Knowles wrote:

>At 1:43 PM -0500 2005-03-31, ICHRONSTUDIO at aol.com wrote:
>
>>  I now know how to set it up as announce only.  I even know how to put  my
>>  database on with out sending out a thank you for subscribing mail.  How  do I
>>  stop the continuing replies?
>
>	Well, that depends on how they're doing the continuing replies. 
>If all those people are doing "Reply-All", then most of them are 
>being sent directly from each person to each other person who was 
>named in the previous message to which someone did a "Reply-All", and 
>since none of that passes through your machines, there's not much you 
>can do.
>
>	Anything passing through your machines should be passing through 
>your lists, and if you've got the list configurations set up 
>correctly now, they should already be stopped.

One other thing to consider is you may still have some number of old
outgoing messages queued in your MTA since it may well have been way
overloaded at some point You could investigate how to delete those
queued messages before they're sent, but that's beyond the scope of
this list.


>>  Sorry to bother you about this, it was my own ignorance that put me here,
>>  but I was hoping that you might be able to suggest sometihng to get me  out.
>
>	In my experience, one general rule is that when you add a bunch 
>of people to a list and you don't send out an announcement welcoming 
>them to the list, and large numbers of people start immediately 
>responding with "STOP SENDING ME E-MAIL" complaints, etc.... that 
>means you're basically sending spam, and that makes you a spammer.


This is generally true, but in many cases, it's only one or two people
who initially respond and most of the subsequent mess is people
responding "Don't tell me to stop sending you mail. I didn't send you
anything. now you stop sending me mail."


>	In the future, if you don't want to be lumped in with that class 
>of person, I would encourage you to do things differently so that 
>your activities do not encourage those people to respond that way.


Agreed.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From porter_314 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr  2 17:56:07 2005
From: porter_314 at yahoo.com (Porter)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 07:56:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tiered mail lists w/ posting restrictions
Message-ID: <20050402155607.49166.qmail@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I am trying to build a list that is inclusive of
serval sub lists but that have subscriber only posting
restrictions.  That is a list TOP with subscribers
SUB1m SUB2m etc.  The SUBn lists have indiviual
subscribers and I want them to be able to send to
their SUBn list as well as TOP to send to all the SUBn
lists.  For security and privacy I want subscriber
only postings.

Any suggestions?  Is this possibility?  I have tried
numerous combinations of adding
accept_these_nonmembers,  anonymous_list and
first_strip_reply_to. 

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 


From msapiro at value.net  Sat Apr  2 18:47:33 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 08:47:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tiered mail lists w/ posting restrictions
In-Reply-To: <20050402155607.49166.qmail@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504020847330281aa6a713a@msapiro>

Porter wrote:

>I am trying to build a list that is inclusive of
>serval sub lists but that have subscriber only posting
>restrictions.  That is a list TOP with subscribers
>SUB1m SUB2m etc.  The SUBn lists have indiviual
>subscribers and I want them to be able to send to
>their SUBn list as well as TOP to send to all the SUBn
>lists.  For security and privacy I want subscriber
>only postings.

See http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#listinclusion for a
patch that would allow in your example placing '@SUBn' entries in the
accept_these_nonmembers attribute of TOP to allow the SUBn members to
post to TOP.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From heather at madrone.com  Sat Apr  2 19:01:32 2005
From: heather at madrone.com (Heather Madrone)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 09:01:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tiered mail lists w/ posting restrictions
In-Reply-To: <20050402155607.49166.qmail@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050402155607.49166.qmail@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p0621026ebe747b3c049e@[192.168.123.100]>

At 7:56 AM -0800 4/2/05, Porter wrote:
>I am trying to build a list that is inclusive of
>serval sub lists but that have subscriber only posting
>restrictions.  That is a list TOP with subscribers
>SUB1m SUB2m etc.  The SUBn lists have indiviual
>subscribers and I want them to be able to send to
>their SUBn list as well as TOP to send to all the SUBn
>lists.  For security and privacy I want subscriber
>only postings.
>
>Any suggestions?  Is this possibility?  I have tried
>numerous combinations of adding
>accept_these_nonmembers,  anonymous_list and
>first_strip_reply_to.

I do something like this.  I don't want any mail to go
directly to the sub-lists, so I set their Explicit Reply-To:
Headers to point to the main list.  When I set up the
main list, I added the sub-list addresses to accept_these_
nonmembers for the main list.

The thing that makes it all work, however, is setting
forward_auto_discards on the Privacy options...Sender filters
page.  If a new person subscribes to one of the sub-lists,
their first post will be held for approval.  At that point, the
list moderator approves the post and check the box to accept
future posts from this address.

This is somewhat easier to do in majordomo, where you
can set the Approved-posters list to point to a list of filenames
(i.e. the address lists of the sub-list).

-- 
Heather Madrone  (heather at madrone.com)  http://www.madrone.com

A rolling stone gathers no mass.


From msapiro at value.net  Sat Apr  2 19:09:18 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 09:09:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tiered mail lists w/ posting restrictions
In-Reply-To: <p0621026ebe747b3c049e@[192.168.123.100]>
Message-ID: <PC17452005040209091808124dd075be@msapiro>

Heather Madrone wrote:
>
>This is somewhat easier to do in majordomo, where you
>can set the Approved-posters list to point to a list of filenames
>(i.e. the address lists of the sub-list).

And as I just posted in reply to the OP, there is a patch available to
allow placing a list name in accept_these_nonmembers of another list.
See http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#listinclusion

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msoulier at gmail.com  Sun Apr  3 00:34:52 2005
From: msoulier at gmail.com (Michael Soulier)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 17:34:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tiered mail lists w/ posting restrictions
In-Reply-To: <20050402155607.49166.qmail@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050402155607.49166.qmail@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fb66056705040214346a41f69d@mail.gmail.com>

On Apr 2, 2005 10:56 AM, Porter <porter_314 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am trying to build a list that is inclusive of
> serval sub lists but that have subscriber only posting
> restrictions.

I do this by building the higher level lists via a script on the
server each night.

For example, list D is composed of the members of lists A, B and C, so
I iterate those and call list_members on each, uniquely sort the final
list and use it as the list to sync_list for list D.

Mike

-- 
Michael P. Soulier <msoulier at gmail.com>
http://www.digitaltorque.ca
http://opag.ca      python -c 'import this'
Jabber: msoulier at digitaltorque.ca


From msapiro at value.net  Sun Apr  3 01:15:25 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 15:15:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tiered mail lists w/ posting restrictions
In-Reply-To: <fb66056705040214346a41f69d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504021515250078e622fee7@msapiro>

Michael Soulier wrote:

>On Apr 2, 2005 10:56 AM, Porter <porter_314 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I am trying to build a list that is inclusive of
>> serval sub lists but that have subscriber only posting
>> restrictions.
>
>I do this by building the higher level lists via a script on the
>server each night.
>
>For example, list D is composed of the members of lists A, B and C, so
>I iterate those and call list_members on each, uniquely sort the final
>list and use it as the list to sync_list for list D.

And Michael's post reminds me that in my previous two posts in this
thread, I negelected to mention FAQ article 3.5 at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.005.htp
which has an example script for Michael's method and a link to a more
elaborate script that transfers member options from the sub lists.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From Jason at Weatherserver.net  Sun Apr  3 11:18:32 2005
From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 05:18:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <003701c5382e$1b065ca0$1400000a@workstation>

I'm fairly new at using mailman I transferred some lists over to it I ran on another system.

Sometimes when I invite people rather then the return address being list-request it is list-bounces  so when they goto confirm there subscription it goes to the bouces account and nothing happens.

Is there a way to fix this.   It doesn't happen all the time.

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From james.becker at gamerzcity.co.uk  Sun Apr  3 14:00:42 2005
From: james.becker at gamerzcity.co.uk (James Becker)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 13:00:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List From Name
Message-ID: <20050403120048.CCFAA1E4006@bag.python.org>

I have setup mailing lists for my company to use for regular digests this is
all working fine however my bosses hate the long from name that the emails
come from, I'm talking about the "on behalf of..." part of the from name.
 
I understand that xxx-bounces[at]xxx.com is needed to route back to mailman
but how do I get rid of the "on behalf of..." as in this instance it's not
needed.
 
Cheers
James


From david at midrange.com  Sun Apr  3 15:06:15 2005
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 08:06:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: List From Name
In-Reply-To: <20050403120048.CCFAA1E4006@bag.python.org>
References: <20050403120048.CCFAA1E4006@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <d2opl4$846$1@sea.gmane.org>

James Becker wrote:
> I have setup mailing lists for my company to use for regular digests this is
> all working fine however my bosses hate the long from name that the emails
> come from, I'm talking about the "on behalf of..." part of the from name.
>  
> I understand that xxx-bounces[at]xxx.com is needed to route back to mailman
> but how do I get rid of the "on behalf of..." as in this instance it's not
> needed.

That's an Exchange and/or Outlook behavior, not Mailman.

david



From msapiro at value.net  Sun Apr  3 20:21:13 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:21:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
In-Reply-To: <003701c5382e$1b065ca0$1400000a@workstation>
Message-ID: <PC17452005040311211308595cd7d988@msapiro>

Jason wrote:
>
>Sometimes when I invite people rather then the return address being list-request it is list-bounces  so when they goto confirm there subscription it goes to the bouces account and nothing happens.
>
>Is there a way to fix this.   It doesn't happen all the time.

I don't think this is due to a difference in the invitations. Rather,
it is a difference in the user's MUA that is causing it to use the
Sender: rather than the From: address. There is more information on
this in the FAQ at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp

It is primarily Microsoft MUAs (Outlook in particular) that do this. It
has to do with Microsoft's Purported Responsible Address (PRA)
initiative that's part of Sender ID. See
http://spf.pobox.com./senderid.html and links therefrom for more
information.

There is a suggested hack in the FAQ article, but it could affect
bounce processing in some cases.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sun Apr  3 20:28:23 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:28:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List From Name
In-Reply-To: <20050403120048.CCFAA1E4006@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504031128230671d43b70d6@msapiro>

James Becker wrote:
> 
>I understand that xxx-bounces[at]xxx.com is needed to route back to mailman
>but how do I get rid of the "on behalf of..." as in this instance it's not
>needed.

And David Gibbs replied:

>That's an Exchange and/or Outlook behavior, not Mailman.

For more information see the FAQ article at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp
and (just posted in another thread)
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-April/043907.html

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From Jason at Weatherserver.net  Mon Apr  4 00:48:20 2005
From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:48:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup
Message-ID: <000c01c5389f$3c145c50$1400000a@workstation>

Last question I promise.  If I was to just backup the entire mailman directory including the subdirectories and ever need to restore the lists on another system will I be able to just copy all the mailman files to the new system and have all the lists be restored.


From G.Booth at usm.edu  Mon Apr  4 17:24:02 2005
From: G.Booth at usm.edu (George Booth)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:24:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shunted messages idea?
Message-ID: <00ad01c5392a$5527f9a0$f3cb5f83@elysium>

I've encountered a very strange error. Out of 779 lists, we have 1 that 
keeps shunting messages. Currently, there are 34 shunted messages that will 
not unshunt. I've completely blown away the list and recreated it several 
times, all to no avail. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Running Mailman 2.1.5 on Red Hat AS 3.

Thanks,

George
<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>
George Booth     iTech System Administrator
G.Booth at usm.edu
University of Southern Mississippi 




From roland.winkler at physik.uni-erlangen.de  Mon Apr  4 18:49:53 2005
From: roland.winkler at physik.uni-erlangen.de (Roland Winkler)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 18:49:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] avoiding notification message when posting held for
	moderation
Message-ID: <16977.28721.494666.608497@tfkp12.physik.uni-erlangen.de>

When postings from non-members are held for moderation by the list
moderators, the sender will receive a notification message which
will allow them to cancel their held message.

How can I avoid that the senders receive the notification message?

The context is the following: In my case, most of the held messages
are spam. So these emails should really be discarded. But every now
and then there are posts which are not spam. And I do not know any
filter rules that I could use to distinguish automatically between
spam and other posts.
Another possibility would be to discard _all_ these posts, but
send copies of the auto-discarded messages to the administrator.
However, I prefer to do all administrational tasks via the web
interface.

So it seems to that I should switch of the notification messages.
But how? Or is there another possibility I have overlooked?

By the way, I am using Mailman 2.1.4.

Thanks,

Roland


From msapiro at value.net  Mon Apr  4 19:02:00 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:02:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shunted messages idea?
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c5392a$5527f9a0$f3cb5f83@elysium>
Message-ID: <PC174520050404100200029659c495c8@msapiro>

George Booth wrote:

>I've encountered a very strange error. Out of 779 lists, we have 1 that 
>keeps shunting messages. Currently, there are 34 shunted messages that will 
>not unshunt. I've completely blown away the list and recreated it several 
>times, all to no avail. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>Running Mailman 2.1.5 on Red Hat AS 3.

Have you looked in the Mailman 'error' log to see why the messages are
being shunted?

Do you see any error messages when you run bin/unshunt?

As you've seen, this is probably not an issue with the list itself, but
rather some member of the list sending posts with non-ascii characters
in headers.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Mon Apr  4 19:06:16 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:06:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] avoiding notification message when posting held
	formoderation
In-Reply-To: <16977.28721.494666.608497@tfkp12.physik.uni-erlangen.de>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504041006160875c55bf4db@msapiro>

Roland Winkler wrote:

>When postings from non-members are held for moderation by the list
>moderators, the sender will receive a notification message which
>will allow them to cancel their held message.
>
>How can I avoid that the senders receive the notification message?

Set respond_to_post_requests to No on the list's General Options page.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From G.Booth at usm.edu  Mon Apr  4 20:27:18 2005
From: G.Booth at usm.edu (George Booth)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 13:27:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shunted messages idea?
References: <PC174520050404100200029659c495c8@msapiro>
Message-ID: <023101c53943$eee90d90$f3cb5f83@elysium>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Sapiro" <msapiro at value.net>
To: "George Booth" <G.Booth at usm.edu>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Shunted messages idea?


> George Booth wrote:
>
>>I've encountered a very strange error. Out of 779 lists, we have 1 that
>>keeps shunting messages. Currently, there are 34 shunted messages that 
>>will
>>not unshunt. I've completely blown away the list and recreated it several
>>times, all to no avail. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>>Running Mailman 2.1.5 on Red Hat AS 3.
>
> Have you looked in the Mailman 'error' log to see why the messages are
> being shunted?
>
> Do you see any error messages when you run bin/unshunt?
>
> As you've seen, this is probably not an issue with the list itself, but
> rather some member of the list sending posts with non-ascii characters
> in headers.

There weren't any errors at all when running the unshunt command; the 
messages simply would be shunted again. However, this is even stranger; I 
blew away and recreated the list several times last week, all to no avail; 
today, I tried that one more time, and it seems to have worked this time. 
The shunted messages have no reappeared in the shunt directory, and I know 
at least 4 of the 34 made it through. I'm awaiting confirmation that the 
other 30 did as well, but so far, it looks like it finally worked.

Reason it worked this time? I've no idea. I didn't do anything today 
differently than I did last week. Although it would be nice to know what 
might have happened in case this happens again, I'm just relieved it finally 
worked this time. Subsequent messages appear to have gone through without 
any problems as well.

There was an error message the administrator for the box (I'm the app admin 
for Mailman) sent me; I tried looking at the files it references, but 
couldn't find them. *shrug* Included below is what he sent me if you can 
make sense of it:

Apr 01 14:16:08 2005 (11564) Uncaught runner exception: unpack list of wrong 
size
Apr 01 14:16:08 2005 (11564) Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop
     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile
     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in 
_dispose
     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in 
_dopipeline
     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 91, in process
     send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 132, in 
send_digests
     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 306, in 
send_i18n_digests
     msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 265, in process
     url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 359, in 
save_attachment
     fnext = os.path.splitext(msg.get_filename(''))[1]
   File
"/usr/src/build/516269-i386/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py",
line 725, in get_filename
   File
"/usr/src/build/516269-i386/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py",
line 608, in get_param
   File
"/usr/src/build/516269-i386/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py",
line 555, in _get_params_preserve
   File
"/usr/src/build/516269-i386/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", 
line
337, in decode_params
   File
"/usr/src/build/516269-i386/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", 
line
284, in decode_rfc2231
ValueError: unpack list of wrong size

Apr 01 14:16:08 2005 (11564) SHUNTING:
1111895203.116622+31a6980c69a33e7b7331bbaa8ca71fb76a29153c

Thanks,

George
<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>
George Booth     iTech System Administrator
G.Booth at usm.edu
University of Southern Mississippi 




From msapiro at value.net  Mon Apr  4 21:44:31 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:44:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shunted messages idea?
In-Reply-To: <023101c53943$eee90d90$f3cb5f83@elysium>
Message-ID: <PC17452005040412443108287ab90a1b@msapiro>

George Booth wrote:
>
>There weren't any errors at all when running the unshunt command; the 
>messages simply would be shunted again. However, this is even stranger; I 
>blew away and recreated the list several times last week, all to no avail; 
>today, I tried that one more time, and it seems to have worked this time. 
>The shunted messages have no reappeared in the shunt directory, and I know 
>at least 4 of the 34 made it through. I'm awaiting confirmation that the 
>other 30 did as well, but so far, it looks like it finally worked.
>
>Reason it worked this time? I've no idea. I didn't do anything today 
>differently than I did last week. Although it would be nice to know what 
>might have happened in case this happens again, I'm just relieved it finally 
>worked this time. Subsequent messages appear to have gone through without 
>any problems as well.


Your error trace below shows a problem in scrubbing an attachment which
is only done for digests and archives. Possibly the list was set up
this time with different content filtering or with no digests or
archives.


>There was an error message the administrator for the box (I'm the app admin 
>for Mailman) sent me; I tried looking at the files it references, but 
>couldn't find them. *shrug* Included below is what he sent me if you can 
>make sense of it:

I don't know why you couldn't find the files. The first several are
Mailman modules and the rest are Python library modules. They were
clearly there when the error occurred, and unless Mailman and/or
Python moved in the interim, they must still be there. 

>Apr 01 14:16:08 2005 (11564) Uncaught runner exception: unpack list of wrong 
>size
>Apr 01 14:16:08 2005 (11564) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in 
>_dispose
>     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in 
>_dopipeline
>     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 91, in process
>     send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 132, in 
>send_digests
>     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 306, in 
>send_i18n_digests
>     msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 265, in process
>     url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir)
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 359, in 
>save_attachment
>     fnext = os.path.splitext(msg.get_filename(''))[1]
>   File
>"/usr/src/build/516269-i386/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py",
>line 725, in get_filename
>   File
>"/usr/src/build/516269-i386/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py",
>line 608, in get_param
>   File
>"/usr/src/build/516269-i386/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py",
>line 555, in _get_params_preserve
>   File
>"/usr/src/build/516269-i386/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", 
>line
>337, in decode_params
>   File
>"/usr/src/build/516269-i386/install/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", 
>line
>284, in decode_rfc2231
>ValueError: unpack list of wrong size
>
>Apr 01 14:16:08 2005 (11564) SHUNTING:
>1111895203.116622+31a6980c69a33e7b7331bbaa8ca71fb76a29153c

Mailman is attempting to scrub an attachment from the digest. It is
attempting to get the file name from the Content-Disposition: header
using the email.Message.get_filename('') method from the Python
library. It appears that this header is malformed in some way
(possibly bad RFC 2231 encoding) that is causing the ultimate error in
the library routines.

There should be some kind of error trace analogous to this one for each
of the shunted messages although the error may not always be the same.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From forrie at forrie.com  Tue Apr  5 04:34:17 2005
From: forrie at forrie.com (Forrest Aldrich)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 22:34:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Integrated creation of mailing lists (automated or
	via API?)
Message-ID: <4251F929.3060102@forrie.com>

The company I'm contracting for wishes to create some means to
automatically create mailing lists.

First, they want to interface LDAP such that the list
config/content/membership (whatever) is stored there and then exported
to Mailman.

That would require understanding the various config formats that Mailman
uses, etc.

I'm thinking a couple of ways to do this would be:

- Understand the API spec and perhaps do some system calls (they don't
want to support Python beyond Mailman, though)
- Create some CGI hacks that will create the lists, etc, using the
command line tools (will that scale to large lists?)

I wonder if someone has experience in this area, and how you
accomplished this.


Thanks,
Forrest



From daevid at daevid.com  Tue Apr  5 09:42:18 2005
From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 00:42:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I get my 2.0 members into a new 2.1 Mailman
	install
Message-ID: <20050405074250.8D6501E4004@bag.python.org>

I recently upgraded from a RedHat 8 box to Gentoo. In doing so I upgraded
Mailman. I have the old Mailman directories mounted and access to the files,
but I do NOT have a running 2.0 version. I have Mailman 2.1

I've followed two different "upgrade" posts to go from Mailman 2.0 to 2.1
but both ways have left my lists "empty".

Here's the most recent one which is essentially the same thing as the other
method I tried.

http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/print.php?id=18

cd $MM20
mv -i lists/foo-list $MM21/lists
mv -i archives/private/foo-list $MM21/archives/private
mv -i archives/private/foo-list.mbox $MM21/archives/private
rm archives/public/foo-list
rm archives/public/foo-list.mbox
cd $MM21

daevid mailman # ./bin/withlist -l -r fix_url rbc
Importing fix_url...
Running fix_url.fix_url()...
Loading list rbc (locked)
Saving list
Finalizing

But when I type "./list_members rbc" nothing shows up. :(

How do I get my members into the NEW 2.1 lists??!




From support at obantec.net  Tue Apr  5 10:16:53 2005
From: support at obantec.net (Obantec Support)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 09:16:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman path issue FC3
Message-ID: <811101c539b7$d3167570$0a00a8c0@gamma>

Hi

I am running FC3 and installed mailman using yum.
now the cron is running but root emails show

      Subject Cron <mailman at proteus2a> mailman
/usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled


Illegal command: /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled

i put a link in /bin/mailman to /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman

and from bash with mailman i get Usage: mailman program [args...] so it
seems to find mailman ok.

but

[root at proteus2a tmp]# mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled
Illegal command: /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled

Mark



From DCoyne at aol.com  Mon Apr  4 04:20:37 2005
From: DCoyne at aol.com (DCoyne at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 22:20:37 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I am Confused and Ignorant!
Message-ID: <1e6.38c8a447.2f81fe75@aol.com>

I've been using Mailman for about a year and a half now, and I'm still as 
confused as ever.
The biggest issue I need help with, for starters, is that when people unsub 
from the egroup, or if I unsub them, they show back up on the list at a later 
date. How do I get rid of them for good??
I also have learned that people can be on the list but be invisible. How can 
I, as the administrator, see the invisible people?
Please bear in mind that I don't even understand what most of the settings on 
the list do.
Thanks for taking the time to help me out. Trust me, if this works out, there 
will be plenty more questions from me!
Shelly

(#)(#)(#)(#)(#)(#)(#)(#)
Anger is only one letter short of danger.


From mustafa_pc at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  5 01:20:21 2005
From: mustafa_pc at hotmail.com (mustafa)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 02:20:21 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how could i send a message to all users
Message-ID: <BAY12-DAV13F56BB1F5D01C8CE4CFDFFA3B0@phx.gbl>

] how could i send a message to all users   in yahoo mail or hotmail users



matari2005 at gmail.com,mustafa_pc at hotmail.com


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Apr  5 12:21:32 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:21:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how could i send a message to all
 users
In-Reply-To: <BAY12-DAV13F56BB1F5D01C8CE4CFDFFA3B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY12-DAV13F56BB1F5D01C8CE4CFDFFA3B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <p06200771be7816e95a41@[10.0.1.3]>

At 2:20 AM +0300 2005-04-05, mustafa wrote:

>  ] how could i send a message to all users   in yahoo mail or hotmail users

	You mean, by sending an e-mail message to your list?  Send an 
e-mail message to the list, and it goes to everyone subscribed to the 
list.

	If you want to send a message to all members within a given 
domain and no one sle, you're going to have a lot more work to do, 
and some custom programming.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Apr  5 12:23:47 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:23:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I am Confused and Ignorant!
In-Reply-To: <1e6.38c8a447.2f81fe75@aol.com>
References: <1e6.38c8a447.2f81fe75@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p06200772be78176c7908@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:20 PM -0400 2005-04-03, DCoyne at aol.com wrote:

>  The biggest issue I need help with, for starters, is that when people unsub
>  from the egroup, or if I unsub them, they show back up on the list at a later
>  date. How do I get rid of them for good??

	If you want to get rid of them permanently, you need to put their 
address on the "ban" list.

>  I also have learned that people can be on the list but be invisible. How can
>  I, as the administrator, see the invisible people?

	You can only see them from the web administration interface.  But 
as a list administrator, you can see everyone via the web interface.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From Jason at Weatherserver.net  Tue Apr  5 12:53:54 2005
From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 06:53:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how could i send a message to all users
References: <BAY12-DAV13F56BB1F5D01C8CE4CFDFFA3B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001601c539cd$c2f210d0$1400000a@workstation>

I personally every once and a while send a who request to mailman and add
the emails to a unadvertised/moderated All-Users list.

It seems to work pretty good for me when I want to email all the people on 
all my lists. And it also saves them getting multiple copies of the email if 
they are on more then 1 list. 




From dumesh at novell.com  Tue Apr  5 13:39:57 2005
From: dumesh at novell.com (D Umesh)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 05:39:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problems
Message-ID: <s25224c6.040@lucius.provo.novell.com>

Hi All 
 
We are using mailman, but whenever a user sends a mail the mailing
lists, the mails are not getting delivered immediately, sometime it
takes 5min, a week.  Can any one please let me know the configuration
changes to be done so that mails get delivered fast. 
 
Thanks and Regards 
Umesh 



From sythos at sythos.net  Tue Apr  5 13:43:54 2005
From: sythos at sythos.net (Sythos)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:43:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problems
In-Reply-To: <s25224c6.040@lucius.provo.novell.com>
References: <s25224c6.040@lucius.provo.novell.com>
Message-ID: <20050405114354.GA8404@sythos.net>

On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 05:39:57AM -0600, D Umesh wrote:
> We are using mailman, but whenever a user sends a mail the mailing
> lists, the mails are not getting delivered immediately, sometime it
> takes 5min, a week.  Can any one please let me know the configuration
> changes to be done so that mails get delivered fast. 

Too few argument...
Detail of system? OS? MTA? version of mailman and python?

Regards
	Sythos

-- 

Sythos - http://www.sythos.net
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  /\                        - against M$ attachments


From G.Booth at usm.edu  Tue Apr  5 15:29:21 2005
From: G.Booth at usm.edu (George Booth)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 08:29:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shunted messages idea?
References: <PC17452005040412443108287ab90a1b@msapiro>
Message-ID: <002301c539e3$79ba0240$f3cb5f83@elysium>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Sapiro" <msapiro at value.net>
To: "George Booth" <G.Booth at usm.edu>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Shunted messages idea?
>
> Your error trace below shows a problem in scrubbing an attachment which
> is only done for digests and archives. Possibly the list was set up
> this time with different content filtering or with no digests or
> archives.

Hmm...when I recreated the list the last time, I actually did turn off 
digesting. It doesn't require digesting, so I figured I'd turn it off, but 
got distracted by several fires that needed attending to and forgot I'd done 
that. Strange that none of the other lists are having a problem with 
digesting. Archives are turned off for all lists because of mail delivery 
degradation when it's turned on.

> I don't know why you couldn't find the files. The first several are
> Mailman modules and the rest are Python library modules. They were
> clearly there when the error occurred, and unless Mailman and/or
> Python moved in the interim, they must still be there.

It was most likely user error on my part in not finding the files. That and 
I was swamped with a few other things and probably didn't search hard enough 
when the pathway didn't come through.

> Mailman is attempting to scrub an attachment from the digest. It is
> attempting to get the file name from the Content-Disposition: header
> using the email.Message.get_filename('') method from the Python
> library. It appears that this header is malformed in some way
> (possibly bad RFC 2231 encoding) that is causing the ultimate error in
> the library routines.

Hmm, most of the messages came from a Mac user; I don't know if that one 
specifically did or not. Wonder if that could be part of the problem?

> There should be some kind of error trace analogous to this one for each
> of the shunted messages although the error may not always be the same.

Thanks, I'll check when I get the chance. :)
<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>
George Booth     iTech System Administrator
G.Booth at usm.edu
University of Southern Mississippi 




From scott at spmiller.org  Tue Apr  5 18:36:37 2005
From: scott at spmiller.org (Scott P. Miller)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:36:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman messages treated as Spam
Message-ID: <4252BE95.7040009@spmiller.org>

Many of my users are complaining that commercial mail services - yahoo, 
hotmail, aol, clients with Postini - have their Mailman lists treated as 
Spam. 

Is there anything I can do to change that?  I know the recepient can 
setup filters and whitelist, but I often use this for company mail 
annoucements where the end recepient is getting it because they use the 
mailing list for work, but they aren't really swift enough to do much 
more than read.

Thanks,
Scott Miller




From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Apr  5 19:27:53 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 19:27:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman messages treated as Spam
In-Reply-To: <4252BE95.7040009@spmiller.org>
References: <4252BE95.7040009@spmiller.org>
Message-ID: <p06200780be787af1cc30@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:36 AM -0700 2005-04-05, Scott P. Miller wrote:

>  Many of my users are complaining that commercial mail services -
>  yahoo, hotmail, aol, clients with Postini - have their Mailman lists
>  treated as Spam.

	Old problem.

>  Is there anything I can do to change that?

	Not really.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.042.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brian at briandina.com  Tue Apr  5 20:03:29 2005
From: brian at briandina.com (Brian Dina)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:03:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Only
Message-ID: <20050405180000.286021C801B@tpa6.isomedia.com>

I am setting up a mailing list for one of my clients, using Mailman v2.1.5p1

I want to set it up so that ONLY the List Administrator(s) can post messages
to the mailing list (i.e. I want to use Mailman as a simple mailing list
only and NOT a discussion list).  

 

Where do I go to set that option?  --or--  do I  do that in Membership
Management?

Thanks,
~Brian

brian at briandina.com



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Apr  6 03:28:40 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 18:28:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman messages treated as Spam
In-Reply-To: <p06200780be787af1cc30@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <PC17452005040518284003438ebba25f@msapiro>

Brad Knowles wrote:

>At 9:36 AM -0700 2005-04-05, Scott P. Miller wrote:
>
>>  Many of my users are complaining that commercial mail services -
>>  yahoo, hotmail, aol, clients with Postini - have their Mailman lists
>>  treated as Spam.
>
>	Old problem.
>
>>  Is there anything I can do to change that?
>
>	Not really.  See 
><http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.042.htp>.
>


And just to add another data point to this thread, I have a yahoo.com
and a netscape.net address that are subscribed to one of my lists in
digest mode. The digests go through to both inboxes, but the monthly
password reminders are called spam by Yahoo.com (each month, I click
this is not spam, but it doesn't help). The reminders go Netscape.net
OK.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From ler at lerctr.org  Wed Apr  6 03:36:16 2005
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:36:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Day of year?
Message-ID: <E1DIzSu-0004wp-Kw@lerami.lerctr.org>

I'm getting a BUNCH of these, and also my BounceRunner as well, causing it
to 
Die.

FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p5, Python/Mailman from ports (rebuilt today), Exim
(from Ports).

This has been happening even with the previous Python.

HELP.



Apr 05 21:19:08 2005 (78076) No such list "inet04":
Apr 05 21:31:51 2005 admin(78820):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(78820): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.5 -----]
admin(78820): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(78820): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(78820):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in
run_main
admin(78820):     main()
admin(78820):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 162,
in main
admin(78820):     reenable_prompt(mlist, doc, cookie, *content[1:])
admin(78820):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 780,
in reenable_prompt
admin(78820):     date = time.strftime('%A, %B %d, %Y', info.date + (0,) *
6)
admin(78820): ValueError: day of year out of range
admin(78820): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(78820): sys.version     =   2.4.1 (#2, Apr  5 2005, 00:43:35)
[GCC 3.4.2 [FreeBSD] 20040728]
admin(78820): sys.executable  =   /usr/local/bin/python
admin(78820): sys.prefix      =   /usr/local
admin(78820): sys.exec_prefix =   /usr/local
admin(78820): sys.path        =   /usr/local
admin(78820): sys.platform    =   freebsd5
admin(78820): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(78820):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.33 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.22
OpenSSL/0.9.7d
admin(78820):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/confirm
admin(78820):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.33 Server at
elists.isoc.org Port 80</ADDRESS>
admin(78820):
admin(78820):   REQUEST_METHOD: GET
admin(78820):   PATH_INFO:
/isoc-members-announce/49938936a60f9fe9cc54aa40fdbf6019562370a3
admin(78820):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(78820):   QUERY_STRING:
admin(78820):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows
NT 5.1)
admin(78820):   HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(78820):   SERVER_NAME: elists.isoc.org
admin(78820):   REMOTE_ADDR: 61.152.122.146
admin(78820):   HTTP_VIA: 1.1 NETMNG_BACKUP
admin(78820):   PATH_TRANSLATED:
/usr/local/www/data/isoc-members-announce/49938936a60f9fe9cc54aa40fdbf601956
2370a3
admin(78820):   SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(78820):   SERVER_ADDR: 66.77.130.70
admin(78820):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/local/www/data
admin(78820):   PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman
admin(78820):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/confirm
admin(78820):   SERVER_ADMIN: you at your.address
admin(78820):   SCRIPT_URI:
http://elists.isoc.org/mailman/confirm/isoc-members-announce/49938936a60f9fe
9cc54aa40fdbf6019562370a3
admin(78820):   HTTP_HOST: elists.isoc.org
admin(78820):   SCRIPT_URL:
/mailman/confirm/isoc-members-announce/49938936a60f9fe9cc54aa40fdbf601956237
0a3
admin(78820):   REQUEST_URI:
/mailman/confirm/isoc-members-announce/49938936a60f9fe9cc54aa40fdbf601956237
0a3
admin(78820):   HTTP_ACCEPT: */*
admin(78820):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(78820):   REMOTE_PORT: 29829
admin(78820):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: zh-cn
admin(78820):   UNIQUE_ID: QlM8BkJNgkYAACGfBIE
$

-- 
Larry Rosenman
Perot Systems-Contractor
Larry-UCON.Rosenman at ps.net
214-642-9640 (C)



From dumesh at novell.com  Wed Apr  6 05:13:03 2005
From: dumesh at novell.com (D Umesh)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 21:13:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problems
Message-ID: <s252ff6e.088@lucius.provo.novell.com>

Hi 
 
Mailman is running on SLES 8  (Kernel - 2.4.21-231-smp #1),
Sendmail-8.12.6-159, mailman-2.0.14-18, python-2.2.1-68
Regards 
Umesh 

>>>Sythos <sythos at sythos.net> 04/05/05 11:43 am >>>
On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 05:39:57AM -0600, D Umesh wrote:
>We are using mailman, but whenever a user sends a mail the mailing
>lists, the mails are not getting delivered immediately, sometime it
>takes 5min, a week.  Can any one please let me know the configuration
>changes to be done so that mails get delivered fast.

Too few argument...
Detail of system? OS? MTA? version of mailman and python?

Regards
Sythos

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 /\                        - against M$ attachments



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Apr  6 06:04:16 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:04:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I get my 2.0 members into a new 2.1
	Mailmaninstall
In-Reply-To: <20050405074250.8D6501E4004@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <PC17452005040521041605463988f892@msapiro>

Daevid Vincent wrote:

>I recently upgraded from a RedHat 8 box to Gentoo. In doing so I upgraded
>Mailman. I have the old Mailman directories mounted and access to the files,
>but I do NOT have a running 2.0 version. I have Mailman 2.1
>
>I've followed two different "upgrade" posts to go from Mailman 2.0 to 2.1
>but both ways have left my lists "empty".
>
>Here's the most recent one which is essentially the same thing as the other
>method I tried.
>
>http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/print.php?id=18
>
>cd $MM20
>mv -i lists/foo-list $MM21/lists
>mv -i archives/private/foo-list $MM21/archives/private
>mv -i archives/private/foo-list.mbox $MM21/archives/private
>rm archives/public/foo-list
>rm archives/public/foo-list.mbox
>cd $MM21
>
>daevid mailman # ./bin/withlist -l -r fix_url rbc
>Importing fix_url...
>Running fix_url.fix_url()...
>Loading list rbc (locked)
>Saving list
>Finalizing
>
>But when I type "./list_members rbc" nothing shows up. :(
>
>How do I get my members into the NEW 2.1 lists??!

I am guessing from the 

rm archives/public/foo-list
rm archives/public/foo-list.mbox

above that you created the foo-list on 2.1 first. This is the problem.
Creating foo-list creates $MM21/lists/foo-list/config.pck. Then the
"mv" moves the old 2.0 lists/foo-list/config.db file. Then Mailman
sees the new config.pck and never tries to import config.db.

The solution is to remove the config.pck and config.pck.last leaving
only the config.db and config.db.last. Then run fix_url and you should
be OK as long as the Marshal format in config.db is compatible with
the Python on the Gentoo box.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Apr  6 06:30:01 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:30:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman path issue FC3
In-Reply-To: <811101c539b7$d3167570$0a00a8c0@gamma>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504052130010875dc9a138c@msapiro>

Obantec Support wrote:
>
>I am running FC3 and installed mailman using yum.
>now the cron is running but root emails show
>
>      Subject Cron <mailman at proteus2a> mailman
>/usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled
>
>
>Illegal command: /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled
>
>i put a link in /bin/mailman to /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman

I don't know why you would need to link /bin/mailman to anything, but
in any case, /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman is the wrapper that handles
incoming mail. It has nothing to do with cron jobs.

>and from bash with mailman i get Usage: mailman program [args...] so it
>seems to find mailman ok.
>
>but
>
>[root at proteus2a tmp]# mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled
>Illegal command: /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled

The crontab that runs this expects it to be in
/usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled and it either isn't there or doesn't
have execute permission or ??

Are the cron scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cron/? if so, it must be a
permission issue. If not, move them there, put a link there to where
they are or change the crontab entries to point to where they are.

I'm not a Red Hat guy so this probably isn't the optimum advice, but it
should give you a clue.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Apr  6 06:39:44 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:39:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shunted messages idea?
In-Reply-To: <002301c539e3$79ba0240$f3cb5f83@elysium>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504052139440468dc9a1220@msapiro>

George Booth wrote:
>
>Hmm...when I recreated the list the last time, I actually did turn off 
>digesting. It doesn't require digesting, so I figured I'd turn it off, but 
>got distracted by several fires that needed attending to and forgot I'd done 
>that. Strange that none of the other lists are having a problem with 
>digesting. Archives are turned off for all lists because of mail delivery 
>degradation when it's turned on.

Other lists aren't having a problem because it's probably caused by one
particular list member with a pathological MUA.


>
>Hmm, most of the messages came from a Mac user; I don't know if that one 
>specifically did or not. Wonder if that could be part of the problem?


Yes, see above. Not necessarily because it's a Mac user, but the
specific MUA being used and also posts containing multiple MIME parts.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Apr  6 06:43:04 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:43:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Only
In-Reply-To: <20050405180000.286021C801B@tpa6.isomedia.com>
Message-ID: <PC174520050405214304060952989ee5@msapiro>



----- Original Message ---------------

Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Only
   From: "Brian Dina" <brian at briandina.com>
   Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:03:29 -0700
     To: <mailman-users at python.org>

>I am setting up a mailing list for one of my clients, using Mailman v2.1.5p1
>
>I want to set it up so that ONLY the List Administrator(s) can post messages
>to the mailing list (i.e. I want to use Mailman as a simple mailing list
>only and NOT a discussion list).  
>
> 
>
>Where do I go to set that option?  --or--  do I  do that in Membership
>Management?

See the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Article 3.11

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Apr  6 06:53:08 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:53:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Day of year?
In-Reply-To: <E1DIzSu-0004wp-Kw@lerami.lerctr.org>
Message-ID: <PC174520050405215308003108644b07@msapiro>

Larry Rosenman wrote:

>I'm getting a BUNCH of these, and also my BounceRunner as well, causing it
>to 
>Die.
>
>FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p5, Python/Mailman from ports (rebuilt today), Exim
>(from Ports).
>
>This has been happening even with the previous Python.


By previous Python, do you mean a prior 2.4 version or 2.3? Supposedly
this doesn't happen with 2.3.

<snip>
>admin(78820):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 780,
>in reenable_prompt
>admin(78820):     date = time.strftime('%A, %B %d, %Y', info.date + (0,) *
>6)
>admin(78820): ValueError: day of year out of range
>admin(78820): [----- Python Information -----]
>admin(78820): sys.version     =   2.4.1 (#2, Apr  5 2005, 00:43:35)


See
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-March/043640.html

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Apr  6 06:56:04 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:56:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problems
In-Reply-To: <s252ff6e.088@lucius.provo.novell.com>
Message-ID: <PC174520050405215604082808644e20@msapiro>

D Umesh wrote:
> 
>Mailman is running on SLES 8  (Kernel - 2.4.21-231-smp #1),
>Sendmail-8.12.6-159, mailman-2.0.14-18, python-2.2.1-68
>Regards 
>Umesh 
>
>>>>Sythos <sythos at sythos.net> 04/05/05 11:43 am >>>
>On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 05:39:57AM -0600, D Umesh wrote:
>>We are using mailman, but whenever a user sends a mail the mailing
>>lists, the mails are not getting delivered immediately, sometime it
>>takes 5min, a week.  Can any one please let me know the configuration
>>changes to be done so that mails get delivered fast.
>
>Too few argument...
>Detail of system? OS? MTA? version of mailman and python?

Visit the FAQ wizard
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and search for terms like performance and tuning

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San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From mansuetus at spontex.org  Wed Apr  6 11:49:53 2005
From: mansuetus at spontex.org (Charles de Noyelle)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:49:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailmanctl not starting : OSError: [Errno 1]
	Operation not permitted
Message-ID: <4253B0C1.3040304@spontex.org>

Big Problem with mailman : mailmanctl refuses to start.

Mailman used to work fine, and I changed a few times from
disks and motherboards, and had quite some problems taking
it back, but managed to have it yesterday.

Since I rebooted, mailmanctl does not start anymore :/

here is the error :

---- (as root) /path/to/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start ----
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "./bin/mailmanctl", line 547, in ?
     main()
   File "./bin/mailmanctl", line 389, in main
     lock = acquire_lock(force)
   File "./bin/mailmanctl", line 216, in acquire_lock
     status = qrunner_state()
   File "./bin/mailmanctl", line 186, in qrunner_state
     os.kill(pid, 0)
OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
------------------------------------------------------
I cannot understand *what* precisely is not permitted :/
and of course, ./bin/check_perms is OK ...

I used mailman 2.1.6 beta and downgraded to 2.1.5 to be sure, and the 
problem persists.

I am running an AMD 64, it might have a role on the bug :-)

I donno what to add to help people willing to help, so please
ask for more details !

Thanx in advance for your help,

-- 
            Charles de Noyelle <mansuetus at spontex.org>


From ler at lerctr.org  Wed Apr  6 12:12:41 2005
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 05:12:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Day of year?
In-Reply-To: <PC174520050405215308003108644b07@msapiro>
Message-ID: <E1DJ7Wh-0007H4-Mk@lerami.lerctr.org>

Thanks, Mark.

I made the edit in that post, as well as line 780 of Cgi/confirm.py.

 


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From andrew.woolf at yale.edu  Tue Apr  5 18:39:59 2005
From: andrew.woolf at yale.edu (Andrew Woolf)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:39:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe w/o password question
Message-ID: <200504051640.j35Ge0Na020181@pantheon-po07.its.yale.edu>

Hi there.  I'm operating a Mailman list-the software is provided with our
Hostway account.  They are using version 2.06.  Our subscribers are
complaining about having to remember or retrieve their password before
unsubscribing.  Is there any way to allow them to unsubscribe without a
password?  We love mailman, and hope to continue using it, but this
unsubscribe issue is a big problem for us at the moment.  

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Andrew

 

 

Andrew Woolf

Managing Editor

The <http://www.yalelawjournal.org/>  Yale Law Journal

 



From simonj.kelly at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 10:37:56 2005
From: simonj.kelly at gmail.com (Simon Kelly)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 09:37:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing to a mailing list
Message-ID: <6d90c6d6050406013750987df2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have been talking with the Purple Paw support team about trying to create 
a box on my Purple Paw hosted website to allow subscribers to enter their 
details into this and join a mailing list set up.

They say that since the mailing list scripts come from you i should talk 
directly to you.

This URL: 
http://mail.bmthbarracudas.com/mailman/listinfo/test_bmthbarracudas.comallows
users to subscribe to a test mailing list we have set up, however i
was wondering if you could tell me how to create a an area on ym website 
that will allow users to subscribe to the list without having to go to this 
URL.

Many thanks
Simon Kelly


From lprabhu at intersticeconsulting.com  Wed Apr  6 11:49:03 2005
From: lprabhu at intersticeconsulting.com (L.S.P. Prabhu)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 05:49:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up maiing list e-mails?
Message-ID: <4253B08F.6090101@intersticeconsulting.com>

Is there a way to download/export the list of e-mails from an individual 
mailing list? I am using the standard web admin interface provided by my 
web hosting company, and cannot see such an option.
Thank you,
Leighton Prabhu


From Jason at Weatherserver.net  Wed Apr  6 12:30:39 2005
From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 06:30:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe w/o password question
References: <200504051640.j35Ge0Na020181@pantheon-po07.its.yale.edu>
Message-ID: <000501c53a93$ade5f6e0$1400000a@workstation>

They can use listname-unsubscribe at domain.com

The reason for the password is so that someone can't just unsubscribe other 
people.

If they unsubscribe via email it is from there email so it knows them 
already.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Woolf" <andrew.woolf at yale.edu>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:39 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe w/o password question


> Hi there.  I'm operating a Mailman list-the software is provided with our
> Hostway account.  They are using version 2.06.  Our subscribers are
> complaining about having to remember or retrieve their password before
> unsubscribing.  Is there any way to allow them to unsubscribe without a
> password?  We love mailman, and hope to continue using it, but this
> unsubscribe issue is a big problem for us at the moment.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> Andrew Woolf
>
> Managing Editor
>
> The <http://www.yalelawjournal.org/>  Yale Law Journal
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jason%40weatherserver.net
>
> Security Policy: 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&amp;file=faq01.027.htp
> 




From Jason at Weatherserver.net  Wed Apr  6 12:34:50 2005
From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 06:34:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing to a mailing list
References: <6d90c6d6050406013750987df2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c53a94$4342f6c0$1400000a@workstation>

you could do a simple form on the site.

Have the From as a textbox field and the To as a hidden field.

The From Field will show there name and be sent to 
listname-subscribe at domain.com
It would act as if they sent a email to listname-subscribe at domain.com 
themselfs.

I did that with my mail server before I started using mailman


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Simon Kelly" <simonj.kelly at gmail.com>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:37 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing to a mailing list


Hi,

I have been talking with the Purple Paw support team about trying to create
a box on my Purple Paw hosted website to allow subscribers to enter their
details into this and join a mailing list set up.

They say that since the mailing list scripts come from you i should talk
directly to you.

This URL:
http://mail.bmthbarracudas.com/mailman/listinfo/test_bmthbarracudas.comallows
users to subscribe to a test mailing list we have set up, however i
was wondering if you could tell me how to create a an area on ym website
that will allow users to subscribe to the list without having to go to this
URL.

Many thanks
Simon Kelly
------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jason%40weatherserver.net

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=ow&amp;file?q01.027.htp




From Jason at Weatherserver.net  Wed Apr  6 12:36:11 2005
From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 06:36:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up maiing list e-mails?
References: <4253B08F.6090101@intersticeconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c53a94$73749c40$1400000a@workstation>

Send an email to Listname-request at domain.com

In the body of the email put

who listpassword


Mailman will email you back a list of all the subscribed emails.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "L.S.P. Prabhu" <lprabhu at intersticeconsulting.com>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:49 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up maiing list e-mails?


> Is there a way to download/export the list of e-mails from an individual 
> mailing list? I am using the standard web admin interface provided by my 
> web hosting company, and cannot see such an option.
> Thank you,
> Leighton Prabhu
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jason%40weatherserver.net
>
> Security Policy: 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&amp;file=faq01.027.htp
> 




From helen at cc.huji.ac.il  Wed Apr  6 12:47:33 2005
From: helen at cc.huji.ac.il (helen)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:47:33 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to rebuild html archives from plaintext ?
Message-ID: <200504061347.33222.helen@cc.huji.ac.il>


Hello !

Is there a way to regenerate the monthly html archives from the monthly 
plaintext archives ? I've got a site with a year's worth of text archives 
(2004-Mar.txt, 2004-Apr.txt, etc) but no html archives (by thread, by author 
etc) because the permissions on the archive directories were incorrect and 
the building script didn't work. I'd like to rebuild all the missing 
archives. 

thank you,
Helen


-- 
>^.^<
 |"|
 " "~~~


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Apr  6 13:03:08 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:03:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe w/o password question
In-Reply-To: <200504051640.j35Ge0Na020181@pantheon-po07.its.yale.edu>
References: <200504051640.j35Ge0Na020181@pantheon-po07.its.yale.edu>
Message-ID: <p06200790be7971c7a691@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:39 PM -0400 2005-04-05, Andrew Woolf wrote:

>                  Is there any way to allow them to unsubscribe without a
>  password?

	Nope.  That would allow anyone to unsubscribe someone else from a 
mailing list, and that would be a fairly significant breach of 
security for many types of lists.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Apr  6 13:03:58 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:03:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up maiing list e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <4253B08F.6090101@intersticeconsulting.com>
References: <4253B08F.6090101@intersticeconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <p06200791be797274cf35@[10.0.1.3]>

At 5:49 AM -0400 2005-04-06, L.S.P. Prabhu wrote:

>  Is there a way to download/export the list of e-mails from an
>  individual mailing list? I am using the standard web admin interface
>  provided by my web hosting company, and cannot see such an option.

	The list of e-mails?  What do you mean?  The list of e-mail 
addresses?  Or do you mean the e-mail messages themselves?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Apr  6 13:05:28 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:05:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up maiing list e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <000f01c53a94$73749c40$1400000a@workstation>
References: <4253B08F.6090101@intersticeconsulting.com>
	<000f01c53a94$73749c40$1400000a@workstation>
Message-ID: <p06200792be7972badf96@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:36 AM -0400 2005-04-06, Jason wrote:

>  Send an email to Listname-request at domain.com
>
>  In the body of the email put
>
>  who listpassword

	Keep in mind that this won't show you anyone who has chosen to 
make themselves "hidden".  You'll only see those people from the web 
admin interface.

	This also assumes that he wants the list of e-mail addresses, 
which may or may not be correct.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Apr  6 13:19:26 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:19:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to rebuild html archives from
 plaintext ?
In-Reply-To: <200504061347.33222.helen@cc.huji.ac.il>
References: <200504061347.33222.helen@cc.huji.ac.il>
Message-ID: <p06200795be79761caab4@[10.0.1.3]>

At 1:47 PM +0300 2005-04-06, helen wrote:

>  Is there a way to regenerate the monthly html archives from the monthly
>  plaintext archives ? I've got a site with a year's worth of text archives
>  (2004-Mar.txt, 2004-Apr.txt, etc) but no html archives (by thread, by author
>  etc) because the permissions on the archive directories were incorrect and
>  the building script didn't work. I'd like to rebuild all the missing
>  archives.

	This is basically the same problem as importing mailbox contents 
from another list into your archive.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.001.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Apr  6 13:34:07 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:34:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up maiing list e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <4253C712.6070603@intersticeconsulting.com>
References: <4253B08F.6090101@intersticeconsulting.com>
	<p06200791be797274cf35@[10.0.1.3]>
	<4253C712.6070603@intersticeconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <p06200797be79792a61db@[10.0.1.3]>

At 7:25 AM -0400 2005-04-06, L.S.P. Prabhu wrote:

>  I mean the list of e-mail addresses. I have tried to look it up on the FAQ,
>  but there doesn't appear to be a web-based feature to back up the addresses.

	To get a complete list of all addresses via the web, in a single 
file you can download?  No, that doesn't exist.

	If you want to do that sort of thing, you either need to have 
full privileged command-line access to the server where the mailing 
lists are hosted (see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp>), 
or you need to see if you might be able to script the web interface 
(see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.053.htp>).

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From kabads at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 15:11:17 2005
From: kabads at gmail.com (Adam Cripps)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 14:11:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attaching just word files
Message-ID: <c7ff3855050406061155bee274@mail.gmail.com>

One of my clients has requested a list that only handles microsoft
word attachments, whilst excluding all other attachments (and allowing
all other normal email). Is this possible with mailman? I've tried
adding the mime-type application/msword to the filter, but it still
strips the word attachment.

Any ideas? 

Adam
-- 
http://www.monkeez.org
PGP key: 0x7111B833


From jdennis at redhat.com  Wed Apr  6 16:23:51 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:23:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman path issue FC3
In-Reply-To: <PC1745200504052130010875dc9a138c@msapiro>
References: <PC1745200504052130010875dc9a138c@msapiro>
Message-ID: <1112797431.15513.53.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 21:30 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Obantec Support wrote:
> >
> >I am running FC3 and installed mailman using yum.
> >now the cron is running but root emails show
> >
> >      Subject Cron <mailman at proteus2a> mailman
> >/usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled
> >
> >
> >Illegal command: /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled
> >
> >i put a link in /bin/mailman to /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman
> 
> I don't know why you would need to link /bin/mailman to anything, but
> in any case, /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman is the wrapper that handles
> incoming mail. It has nothing to do with cron jobs.
> 
> >and from bash with mailman i get Usage: mailman program [args...] so it
> >seems to find mailman ok.

> I'm not a Red Hat guy so this probably isn't the optimum advice, but it
> should give you a clue.

Well, I'm a Red Hat guy :-) 

You shouldn't need to link anything, especially mailman. The commands
executed via cron located in /usr/lib/mailman/cron are python programs
that have no relation to the mailman wrapper program
(/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman).

You shouldn't need to do anything to get the cron part of mailman with
our RPM's working, it should just work automatically.

I trust you installed an FC3 rpm on FC3, and not an RPM from an other
distribution. What rpm is installed? (hint: rpm -q mailman)

In theory what should happen is that when you start the mailman service
a cron file is copied into /etc/cron.d/mailman (its done this way so
that mailman cron jobs don't run if the mailman rpm is installed but not
enabled). The format of cron entries in that file is different then in a
crontab file. The difference in the two file formats is the insertion of
extra field, after the time fields and before the command (this the user
the cron job is to be run as), in this case the user is mailman. Crontab
files DO NOT have the user field. Crontab files are not stored
in /etc/cron.d. Crontab is never used by our mailman rpm. If I were a
betting man I'd say it looks like the /etc/cron.d/mailman file with the
extra "mailman" user id before the command has been passed to crontab
and cron is trying to execute the username "mailman" because its been
passed a file of the wrong format.

BTW, the reason crontab files don't have the username in them is because
its passed on the command line (via -u) when intalling the crontab file.
But cron files are not installed via crontab, they are merely deposited
in /etc/cron.d and thus they need the user id field.

By any chance did you run crontab and pass it the cron file from the
rpm? If thats your problem.

The only other thing I can think of is older rpms used to use crontab
(although not on FC3), did you overlay a newer mailman rpm over an older
installation? The rpm is supposed to remove the old crontab, but it
might have failed to do this, but the old crontab would have had the old
format without the username.
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From iane at sussex.ac.uk  Wed Apr  6 16:31:03 2005
From: iane at sussex.ac.uk (Ian Eiloart)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 15:31:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attaching just word files
In-Reply-To: <c7ff3855050406061155bee274@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c7ff3855050406061155bee274@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45DF291A37CED3F41AD89ED9@lewes.staff.uscs.susx.ac.uk>



--On April 6, 2005 14:11:17 +0100 Adam Cripps <kabads at gmail.com> wrote:

> One of my clients has requested a list that only handles microsoft
> word attachments, whilst excluding all other attachments (and allowing
> all other normal email). Is this possible with mailman? I've tried
> adding the mime-type application/msword to the filter, but it still
> strips the word attachment.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Adam

Is the MIME type correct in the email? Often you see the generic: 
application/octet-stream. If that's the case, you're in trouble.


-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS



From support at obantec.net  Wed Apr  6 17:08:21 2005
From: support at obantec.net (Obantec Support)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:08:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman path issue FC3
References: <PC1745200504052130010875dc9a138c@msapiro>
	<1112797431.15513.53.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <88e601c53aba$791f7540$0a00a8c0@gamma>

Hi Denis

think its fixed now. i did install FC3 rpm's via yum but when i checked cron
i could see no entries so as on RH8 i ran the crontab code Big mistake!
anyway stopped mailman (/etc/rc.d/initd/mailman) removed the cron entries,
started up mailman (it put new entries in cron and it all looks cool.)

and i do read the list.

Thanks

Mark

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Dennis" <jdennis at redhat.com>
To: "Mark Sapiro" <msapiro at value.net>
Cc: "Obantec Support" <support at obantec.net>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman path issue FC3

<snip>

>
> Well, I'm a Red Hat guy :-)
>
> You shouldn't need to link anything, especially mailman. The commands
> executed via cron located in /usr/lib/mailman/cron are python programs
> that have no relation to the mailman wrapper program
> (/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman).
>
> You shouldn't need to do anything to get the cron part of mailman with
> our RPM's working, it should just work automatically.
>
> I trust you installed an FC3 rpm on FC3, and not an RPM from an other
> distribution. What rpm is installed? (hint: rpm -q mailman)
>
> In theory what should happen is that when you start the mailman service
> a cron file is copied into /etc/cron.d/mailman (its done this way so
> that mailman cron jobs don't run if the mailman rpm is installed but not
> enabled). The format of cron entries in that file is different then in a
> crontab file. The difference in the two file formats is the insertion of
> extra field, after the time fields and before the command (this the user
> the cron job is to be run as), in this case the user is mailman. Crontab
> files DO NOT have the user field. Crontab files are not stored
> in /etc/cron.d. Crontab is never used by our mailman rpm. If I were a
> betting man I'd say it looks like the /etc/cron.d/mailman file with the
> extra "mailman" user id before the command has been passed to crontab
> and cron is trying to execute the username "mailman" because its been
> passed a file of the wrong format.
>
> BTW, the reason crontab files don't have the username in them is because
> its passed on the command line (via -u) when intalling the crontab file.
> But cron files are not installed via crontab, they are merely deposited
> in /etc/cron.d and thus they need the user id field.
>
> By any chance did you run crontab and pass it the cron file from the
> rpm? If thats your problem.
>
> The only other thing I can think of is older rpms used to use crontab
> (although not on FC3), did you overlay a newer mailman rpm over an older
> installation? The rpm is supposed to remove the old crontab, but it
> might have failed to do this, but the old crontab would have had the old
> format without the username.
> -- 
> John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 05/04/2005
>
>



From yonemitsuv at bpl.on.ca  Wed Apr  6 17:11:39 2005
From: yonemitsuv at bpl.on.ca (Vincent Yonemitsu)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:11:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with aliases file
Message-ID: <22054090720e829eaded13a5dc8eb4c2@bpl.on.ca>

Hey there. I am having problems with mailman. Here is what has happened so far.

Downloaded the current release of mailman in tar and installed witht he gid for the mailman user.  Added a new list via command line. the owner can send to the mailing list and recieve but when another user tries to subscribe I get errors.

I am getting the one that says hat says it is running the scripts as nobody and they need to be run as mailman. So I figured I would try and setup a new alias file /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
I copied the existing aliases file in /etc/aliases to that directory and removed all but the mailing list aliases. 
I then added the line
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
to my /etc/postifix/main.cf file, Then I reset the permisions on that aliases file to mailman for user and group, and then rebooted. Then when I send an email to the list I get a 550 error saying the account does not exist? Am I suppposed to make an /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.db file as well? I don't have makeman installed on that computer and I can't figure out how to install it. :( I do have it on another machine and copied the aliases file to it and created the aliases.db file using makeman hash aliases.db < aliases
Then I copied that to the /data directory and reset its persmision to mailman and still get the same thing.

I am at a loss as to what to do.

Maybe I woul dbe better off installin the outdated copy that comes with my os and going from there. Any ideas?

Vincent Yonemitsu
Burlington Public Library
Information Technology Department
Ph: (905)639-3611 ext 153
Fax: (905)681-7277
yonemitsuv at bpl.on.ca



From helen at cc.huji.ac.il  Wed Apr  6 17:33:09 2005
From: helen at cc.huji.ac.il (helen)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:33:09 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to rebuild html archives from plaintext ?
In-Reply-To: <p06200795be79761caab4@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <200504061347.33222.helen@cc.huji.ac.il>
	<p06200795be79761caab4@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <200504061833.09516.helen@cc.huji.ac.il>


On Wednesday 06 April 2005 14:19, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 1:47 PM +0300 2005-04-06, helen wrote:
> >  Is there a way to regenerate the monthly html archives from the monthly
> >  plaintext archives ? I've got a site with a year's worth of text
> > archives (2004-Mar.txt, 2004-Apr.txt, etc) but no html archives (by
> > thread, by author etc) because the permissions on the archive directories
> > were incorrect and the building script didn't work. I'd like to rebuild
> > all the missing archives.
>
> 	This is basically the same problem as importing mailbox contents
> from another list into your archive.  See
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.001.htp>.

Thank you ! It appeared even easier than in the FAQ - just 

bin/arch <list_name>

(it figured out by itself to use the archived text files instead of the mbox 
file)

Helen

-- 
>^.^<
 |"|
 " "~~~


From mojo at whiteoaks.com  Wed Apr  6 19:44:49 2005
From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:44:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner wedged
Message-ID: <42542011.1080908@whiteoaks.com>

Twice over the past two weeks I've had instances of qrunner locking up 
and requiring a restart.  There's nothing in the qrunner log file that 
gives me a clue of what's going on.  It's behaving like it might be a 
deadlock.

I did get a python update in February from SuSE, to 2.3.4.

Mailman version is 2.1.5, as installed from a SuSE 9.2 rpm.

Mojo
-- 
Morris Jones
Monrovia, CA
http://www.whiteoaks.com
Old Town Astronomers: http://www.otastro.org


From rmeyer at chiarore.co.za  Wed Apr  6 20:03:38 2005
From: rmeyer at chiarore.co.za (Reuben Meyer)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:03:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <GGEFJLFLOIEGGBFGONNMAEAJCFAA.rmeyer@chiarore.co.za>

Good day.

I am having a problem with Mailman v 2.1.2
The problem is that every mail sent form the mailing list doubles
and the subscribers ends up receiving 2 mails in stead of one.

Does anybody know what causes this, and what I can do to fix it?

Regards

Reuben Meyer
Email: rmeyer at chiarore.co.za


From copp at aero.und.edu  Wed Apr  6 20:11:39 2005
From: copp at aero.und.edu (Rodger Copp)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:11:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] In it possible to have Accept ticked by default?
Message-ID: <s253e017.082@134.129.212.8>

Excuse me for asking something that may be obvious or has been asked
before. I searched the FAQ and archives and didn't find anything
related. I am not the administrator for our installation of Mailman, I'm
just a suit that has a question/suggestion.

Is it possible to have the Accept selection ticked by default instead
of Defer for Mailman's Moderator Administration page? If it's not
possible, perhaps you can put it on your "To Do" list.

Thanks

Rodger


From daevid at daevid.com  Wed Apr  6 08:59:35 2005
From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 23:59:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I get my 2.0 members into a new 2.1
	Mailmaninstall
In-Reply-To: <PC17452005040521041605463988f892@msapiro>
Message-ID: <20050406204328.AE9551E4004@bag.python.org>

HA!!! Figures that I'd get a reply after I did this the hard way...

I set up a VMWare with gentoo. Tracked down an ancient mailman-2.0.13.tgz
file on the web and installed it!!!!! Then used the /bin/list_members to get
extract them and pasted them into the new 2.1 list... UGH! Ironic.

Thanks for the reply Mark. I'll keep this in mind if I still can't get the
list working... I have a remaining issue that I'll post in a new thread.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro at value.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:04 PM
> To: Daevid Vincent; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I get my 2.0 members into 
> a new 2.1 Mailmaninstall
> 
> Daevid Vincent wrote:
> 
> >I recently upgraded from a RedHat 8 box to Gentoo. In doing 
> so I upgraded
> >Mailman. I have the old Mailman directories mounted and 
> access to the files,
> >but I do NOT have a running 2.0 version. I have Mailman 2.1
> >
> >I've followed two different "upgrade" posts to go from 
> Mailman 2.0 to 2.1
> >but both ways have left my lists "empty".
> >
> >Here's the most recent one which is essentially the same 
> thing as the other
> >method I tried.
> >
> >http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/print.php?id=18
> >
> >cd $MM20
> >mv -i lists/foo-list $MM21/lists
> >mv -i archives/private/foo-list $MM21/archives/private
> >mv -i archives/private/foo-list.mbox $MM21/archives/private
> >rm archives/public/foo-list
> >rm archives/public/foo-list.mbox
> >cd $MM21
> >
> >daevid mailman # ./bin/withlist -l -r fix_url rbc
> >Importing fix_url...
> >Running fix_url.fix_url()...
> >Loading list rbc (locked)
> >Saving list
> >Finalizing
> >
> >But when I type "./list_members rbc" nothing shows up. :(
> >
> >How do I get my members into the NEW 2.1 lists??!
> 
> I am guessing from the 
> 
> rm archives/public/foo-list
> rm archives/public/foo-list.mbox
> 
> above that you created the foo-list on 2.1 first. This is the problem.
> Creating foo-list creates $MM21/lists/foo-list/config.pck. Then the
> "mv" moves the old 2.0 lists/foo-list/config.db file. Then Mailman
> sees the new config.pck and never tries to import config.db.
> 
> The solution is to remove the config.pck and config.pck.last leaving
> only the config.db and config.db.last. Then run fix_url and you should
> be OK as long as the Marshal format in config.db is compatible with
> the Python on the Gentoo box.
> 
> --
> Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 
> 



From daevid at daevid.com  Wed Apr  6 09:55:35 2005
From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 00:55:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim and Mailman, address_pipe and never_users
Message-ID: <20050406204330.3E11F1E4004@bag.python.org>

I'm running Gentoo with Exim 4.43-r2 and Mailman 2.1.5-r4.

When I send a message to my list "rbc", it never gets sent. 

The logs have some entries that look like this:

Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 no host name found for IP address
10.10.10.69
Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 1DJ5B7-0006dd-Cc <=
daevid at daevid.com H=(locutus) [10.10.10.69] P=esmtpsa X=TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128
A=login:dae51d S=569
Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 1DJ5B7-0006dd-Cc User 0 set for
address_pipe transport is on the never_users list
                - Last output repeated twice -
Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 1DJ5B7-0006dd-Cc ==
|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post rbc <rbc at daevid.com> R=system_aliases
T=address_pipe defer (-29): User 0 set for address_pipe transport is on the
never_users list

I've googled for address_pipe and never_users and it seems to be Exim
related, but I really don't know what to change to fix this. I used to run
mailman 2.0 with sendmail on an old RH8 box. Exim is all new to me too.
Sorry if this is off topic.

I tried to follow the instructions here, but still no joy.
http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html#exconf

Something isn't right:

daevid bin # exim -bt rbc at daevid.com
rbc at daevid.com -> |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post rbc
  transport = address_pipe

When it should say:
router = mailman_router, transport = mailman_transport






From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Apr  6 23:21:23 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:21:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim and Mailman, address_pipe and
 never_users
In-Reply-To: <20050406204330.3E11F1E4004@bag.python.org>
References: <20050406204330.3E11F1E4004@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <p062007a1be7a0330bb8f@[10.0.1.3]>

At 12:55 AM -0700 2005-04-06, Daevid Vincent wrote:

>  I've googled for address_pipe and never_users and it seems to be Exim
>  related, but I really don't know what to change to fix this. I used to run
>  mailman 2.0 with sendmail on an old RH8 box. Exim is all new to me too.
>  Sorry if this is off topic.

	This is definitely an Exim question, and you're more likely to 
get a useful answer on their mailing lists, etc....

	Sorry, guy!

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From Bruce.Baumgart at inl.gov  Wed Apr  6 23:31:36 2005
From: Bruce.Baumgart at inl.gov (Bruce A Baumgart)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 15:31:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface with unqualified hostnames
Message-ID: <OF6BA3F50B.E4697D56-ON87256FDB.00748823-87256FDB.0076403C@inel.gov>

If I access the list create web page using http://machine/mailman/create, 
list creation fails with "unknown virtual host".  It works fine if I 
access it with http://machine.inel.gov/mailman/create.  It also looks like 
mailman uses the hostname in the URL to build web pages.

Our internal users are used to not putting the domainname in the url when 
they access a local machine.  I have played some with virtualhost, but 
can;t get it to do what I want.  Is there any way to get mailman to make 
hostnames fully qualified when the machine is not accessed that way?

Solaris 9
Mailman 2.1.5
Apache  1.1.31


-- 
Bruce Baumgart
Bruce.Baumgart at inel.gov
208-526-9318

From lauren at vortex.com  Thu Apr  7 03:11:21 2005
From: lauren at vortex.com (Lauren Weinstein)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:11:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval via e-mail, unexpected Re: behavior
Message-ID: <200504070111.j371BL6k013421@chrome.vortex.com>

Greetings.  I've just started transmissions on my first Mailman-hosted
direct participation list, and I've noticed a couple of oddities, both
likely the result of configuration issues.

 - Attempts to approve or reject moderated postings via e-mail
   fail.  The reason is obvious -- the message header subject
   simply says that attention is required, while the actual submitted
   message is buried deep within.  Message replies go back
   to list-owner, without apparently triggering any further
   processing by mailman relating to the approval (or rejection).
   Is a configuration problem indicated?

 - When a user replies to a message such as:
   Subject: [List] topic

   The resulting reply subject header is:
   Subject: Re: [List] topic

   rather than:

   Subject: [List] Re: [List] topic

   Is this the expected behavior?  I had assumed that the list name
   would always appear immediately after Subject:.

Thanks much.

--Lauren--
Lauren Weinstein
lauren at pfir.org or lauren at vortex.com or lauren at eepi.org
Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800
http://www.pfir.org/lauren
Co-Founder, PFIR 
  - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org
Co-Founder, EEPI 
  - Electronic Entertainment Policy Initiative - http://www.eepi.org
Moderator, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com
Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy
Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com
DayThink: http://daythink.vortex.com



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Apr  7 03:35:46 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:35:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval via e-mail, unexpected Re: behavior
In-Reply-To: <200504070111.j371BL6k013421@chrome.vortex.com>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504061835460375c6d37d85@msapiro>

Lauren Weinstein wrote:

>Greetings.  I've just started transmissions on my first Mailman-hosted
>direct participation list, and I've noticed a couple of oddities, both
>likely the result of configuration issues.
>
> - Attempts to approve or reject moderated postings via e-mail
>   fail.  The reason is obvious -- the message header subject
>   simply says that attention is required, while the actual submitted
>   message is buried deep within.  Message replies go back
>   to list-owner, without apparently triggering any further
>   processing by mailman relating to the approval (or rejection).
>   Is a configuration problem indicated?

You need to reply to the embedded message or simply craft a new message
To: the listname-request address with Subject: confirm whatever the
token in the subject of the embedded message/rfc822 part is.

Then add Approved: list_password as a header or as the first body line
of the reply if you want to approve the message, or don't add the
Approved: if you want to discard the message.

If you're MUA is sufficiently mime aware, you can just open the
message/rfc822 sub part and reply to it, but not all MUAs will do this
or do it correctly.

> - When a user replies to a message such as:
>   Subject: [List] topic
>
>   The resulting reply subject header is:
>   Subject: Re: [List] topic
>
>   rather than:
>
>   Subject: [List] Re: [List] topic
>
>   Is this the expected behavior?  I had assumed that the list name
>   would always appear immediately after Subject:.

In Mailman versions through 2.1.5, if [List] or whatever the subject
prefix is is anywhere in the subject, it will just be left where it is
and not repeated.

This optionally changes in 2.1.6 where if you set OLD_STYLE_PREFIXING =
No in mm_cfg.py, the existing prefix will always be moved to the
beginning of the Subject:

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Apr  7 04:05:24 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:05:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval via e-mail, unexpected Re: behavior 
In-Reply-To: <200504070156.j371unsf013999@chrome.vortex.com>
Message-ID: <PC17452005040619052406091107cff9@msapiro>

Lauren Weinstein wrote:

>By the way, I just wanted to say how incredibly useful I'm
>finding Mailman.  It was a bit of work to convert over from
>my ancient, hand-cranked Majordomo systems, but it was worth it.
>
>While I think of it, is there any way for me to cause the full text
>of submissions to be returned to senders when the moderator rejects?
>Sometimes only a small issue caused the rejection, and it would be
>nice to give the author the message back so that they could easily
>modify and resubmit if they don't have a copy around already.

Currently, the only way I know to do this is to edit the approval
message and then forward it back to the original poster. Note that the
"todo" list for futre implementation at http://www.list.org/todo.html
contains both of the following:

#  Allow the moderator to edit posts being held for approval (make it
evident, either through a header or other means that the message was
edited by the moderator).
# New moderation choice: annotate and send to author for resubmittal.
Or just be able to annotate the message for multiple moderator
scenarios.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Apr  7 04:43:19 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:43:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailmanctl not starting : OSError: [Errno
	1]Operation not permitted
In-Reply-To: <4253B0C1.3040304@spontex.org>
Message-ID: <PC17452005040619431902501107ce8d@msapiro>

Charles de Noyelle wrote:

>Big Problem with mailman : mailmanctl refuses to start.
>
>Mailman used to work fine, and I changed a few times from
>disks and motherboards, and had quite some problems taking
>it back, but managed to have it yesterday.
>
>Since I rebooted, mailmanctl does not start anymore :/
>
>here is the error :
>
>---- (as root) /path/to/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start ----
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "./bin/mailmanctl", line 547, in ?
>     main()
>   File "./bin/mailmanctl", line 389, in main
>     lock = acquire_lock(force)
>   File "./bin/mailmanctl", line 216, in acquire_lock
>     status = qrunner_state()
>   File "./bin/mailmanctl", line 186, in qrunner_state
>     os.kill(pid, 0)
>OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
>------------------------------------------------------
>I cannot understand *what* precisely is not permitted :/
>and of course, ./bin/check_perms is OK ...
>
>I used mailman 2.1.6 beta and downgraded to 2.1.5 to be sure, and the 
>problem persists.
>
>I am running an AMD 64, it might have a role on the bug :-)
>
>I donno what to add to help people willing to help, so please
>ask for more details !

Mailmanctl has found an existing lock file, extracted a pid from it and
is trying to signal that pid to see if it is still running. The signal
attempt is being denied by the OS.

If you're sure no mailmanctl is running, you can just manually remove
the locks/master-qrunner* files (you could first check the pid with ps
to be sure) as a workaround.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Apr  7 04:47:45 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:47:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing to a mailing list
In-Reply-To: <6d90c6d6050406013750987df2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504061947450718d398d7db@msapiro>

Simon Kelly wrote:
>
>This URL: 
>http://mail.bmthbarracudas.com/mailman/listinfo/test_bmthbarracudas.com allows
>users to subscribe to a test mailing list we have set up, however i
>was wondering if you could tell me how to create a an area on ym website 
>that will allow users to subscribe to the list without having to go to this 
>URL.

See the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Article 4.33

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Apr  7 04:59:37 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:59:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attaching just word files
In-Reply-To: <c7ff3855050406061155bee274@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504061959370781c6d37f12@msapiro>

Adam Cripps wrote:

>One of my clients has requested a list that only handles microsoft
>word attachments, whilst excluding all other attachments (and allowing
>all other normal email). Is this possible with mailman? I've tried
>adding the mime-type application/msword to the filter, but it still
>strips the word attachment.
>
>Any ideas? 

You also have to allow multipart/mixed or whatever the higher level
part is that contains the application/msword part (assuming that the
sending MUA correctly identifies the attachment as application/msword).

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Apr  7 05:11:18 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:11:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with aliases file
In-Reply-To: <22054090720e829eaded13a5dc8eb4c2@bpl.on.ca>
Message-ID: <PC17452005040620111802967c9f2b7a@msapiro>

Vincent Yonemitsu wrote:

>Hey there. I am having problems with mailman. Here is what has happened so far.
>
>Downloaded the current release of mailman in tar and installed witht he gid for the mailman user.  Added a new list via command line. the owner can send to the mailing list and recieve but when another user tries to subscribe I get errors.

It seems then that you (the owner) can post so aliases and the
mailman/mail/mailman wrapper are probably OK.


>I am getting the one that says hat says it is running the scripts as nobody and they need to be run as mailman. So I figured I would try and setup a new alias file /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
>I copied the existing aliases file in /etc/aliases to that directory and removed all but the mailing list aliases. 
>I then added the line
>alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
>to my /etc/postifix/main.cf file, Then I reset the permisions on that aliases file to mailman for user and group, and then rebooted. Then when I send an email to the list I get a 550 error saying the account does not exist? Am I suppposed to make an /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.db file as well? I don't have makeman installed on that computer and I can't figure out how to install it. :( I do have it on another machine and copied the aliases file to it and created the aliases.db file using makeman hash aliases.db < aliases
>Then I copied that to the /data directory and reset its persmision to mailman and still get the same thing.
>
>I am at a loss as to what to do.


It seems to me your problem is with CGI wrappers, not the mail aliases
or wrapper. I.e., your web server is running as group 'nobody' and
your CGI wrappers were configured to expect group 'mailman'.

Rerun configure with whatever options you used the first time except
use --with-cgi-gid='nobody' then run "make install"

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Apr  7 05:17:12 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:17:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to rebuild html archives from plaintext ?
In-Reply-To: <200504061833.09516.helen@cc.huji.ac.il>
Message-ID: <PC17452005040620171209847c9f2e24@msapiro>

helen wrote:
>
>Thank you ! It appeared even easier than in the FAQ - just 
>
>bin/arch <list_name>
>
>(it figured out by itself to use the archived text files instead of the mbox 
>file)

Actually, the normal archiving process creates the cuumulative
archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file as well as the
monthly text files and that's what bin/arch used, but the bottom line
is it worked.

BTW, if you didn't use --wipe with bin/arch, you might want to check
carefully in the monthly files for duplicates. If you have duplicates,
you can just make a new, clean archive with the --wipe option.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From jwblist at olympus.net  Thu Apr  7 05:24:29 2005
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:24:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attaching just word files
In-Reply-To: <PC1745200504061959370781c6d37f12@msapiro>
Message-ID: <BE79F5FD.3F20%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 4/6/2005 19:59, "Mark Sapiro" <msapiro at value.net> wrote:

> Adam Cripps wrote:
> 
>> One of my clients has requested a list that only handles microsoft
>> word attachments, whilst excluding all other attachments (and allowing
>> all other normal email). Is this possible with mailman? I've tried
>> adding the mime-type application/msword to the filter, but it still
>> strips the word attachment.
>> 
>> Any ideas? 
> 
> You also have to allow multipart/mixed or whatever the higher level
> part is that contains the application/msword part (assuming that the
> sending MUA correctly identifies the attachment as application/msword).

I think one can't assume that.  I think that one must look at what each MUA
in use by the posting population does when creating the message.

In particular, look at the output of various Outlook versions when their
global setting for styled messages is RTF rather than HTML (some versions at
least default to RTF, and the setting is well hidden).  One impact of this
setting is to produce broken quoted printable representations of many PDF
files...broken enough to crash many programs which try to deal with the
attachment (that's not an issue here, since PDFs aren't wanted).  The HTML
setting on the other hand produces valid base 64 versions of the same PDFs.

  --John



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Apr  7 05:31:14 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:31:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] In it possible to have Accept ticked by default?
In-Reply-To: <s253e017.082@134.129.212.8>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504062031140750dd08b9dc@msapiro>

Rodger Copp wrote:

>Excuse me for asking something that may be obvious or has been asked
>before. I searched the FAQ and archives and didn't find anything
>related. I am not the administrator for our installation of Mailman, I'm
>just a suit that has a question/suggestion.
>
>Is it possible to have the Accept selection ticked by default instead
>of Defer for Mailman's Moderator Administration page? If it's not
>possible, perhaps you can put it on your "To Do" list.

I don't think you'd want this. If it worked this way, and you happened
not to explicitly review and set each message before 'submitting all
data' (say you didn't happen to scroll all the way down), then
messages you hadn't seen would be approved.

Approving a message you haven't reviewed is a potentially more serious
problem than forgetting to tick the approved box and having to do it a
second time.

That said, feature requests can be submitted at
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=350103

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Apr  7 06:00:13 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:00:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface with unqualified hostnames
In-Reply-To: <OF6BA3F50B.E4697D56-ON87256FDB.00748823-87256FDB.0076403C@inel.gov>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504062100130578d5aff4ef@msapiro>

Bruce A Baumgart wrote:

>If I access the list create web page using http://machine/mailman/create, 
>list creation fails with "unknown virtual host".  It works fine if I 
>access it with http://machine.inel.gov/mailman/create.  It also looks like 
>mailman uses the hostname in the URL to build web pages.
>
>Our internal users are used to not putting the domainname in the url when 
>they access a local machine.  I have played some with virtualhost, but 
>can;t get it to do what I want.  Is there any way to get mailman to make 
>hostnames fully qualified when the machine is not accessed that way?
>
>Solaris 9
>Mailman 2.1.5
>Apache  1.1.31

If it is acceptable in your environment, the easiest thing is to do
this with an Apache rewrite rule.

If you don't have multiple, distinct virtual domains, you can put

VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off

in mm_cfg.py and Mailman won't check host names.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Thu Apr  7 06:07:52 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:07:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate messages - was: (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <GGEFJLFLOIEGGBFGONNMAEAJCFAA.rmeyer@chiarore.co.za>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504062107520218d5aff3ae@msapiro>

Reuben Meyer wrote:
>
>I am having a problem with Mailman v 2.1.2
>The problem is that every mail sent form the mailing list doubles
>and the subscribers ends up receiving 2 mails in stead of one.
>
>Does anybody know what causes this, and what I can do to fix it?

Careful inspection of Received: headers and comparison between
duplicates can usually pinpoint at what step the duplication occurs.
It may or may not have anything to do with Mailman.

Also check Mailman's 'post' and 'smtp' logs and the incoming and
outgoing MTA logs.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From ay at nysernet.org  Wed Apr  6 19:57:42 2005
From: ay at nysernet.org (Aaron The Young)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:57:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman under Debian -- Icons aren't showing up.
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050406131843.072e2990@ms.nysernet.org>


Hello,

I am using Debian Linux and I have mailman up and running, but I'm
running into a few problems.

When I connect to the admin page, I get there, but I get three blue
boxed question marks at the bottom of the page as if something or
some images aren't loading.  I read the help sheet on copying over
icons to the apache/icons directly, and putting PythonPowered.png,
mailman-large.png, and mailman.jpg into the /usr/share/apache/icons
directory has done nothing for me.

Also, when I attempt to go to the mail archives, I get:

The requested URL /pipermail/mailman/ was not found on this server.

Do I have to install Pipermail?

Thanks for any and all help.

Aaron
   ~



From daevid at lockdownnetworks.com  Wed Apr  6 22:00:07 2005
From: daevid at lockdownnetworks.com (Daevid Vincent)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:00:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim and Mailman, address_pipe and never_users
Message-ID: <E881FC53D31A4F40A6604E37C19037A94323E9@BRAKA.lockdownnetworks.com>

I didn't see this come through the list since yesterday, 
so I figured I'd send it again...
-----------------------------------

I'm running Gentoo with Exim 4.43-r2 and Mailman 2.1.5-r4.

When I send a message to my list "rbc", it never gets sent. 

The logs have some entries that look like this:

Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 no host name found for IP
address 10.10.10.69
Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 1DJ5B7-0006dd-Cc <=
daevid at daevid.com H=(locutus) [10.10.10.69] P=esmtpsa
X=TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128 A=login:dae51d S=569
Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 1DJ5B7-0006dd-Cc User 0 set
for address_pipe transport is on the never_users list
                - Last output repeated twice -
Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 1DJ5B7-0006dd-Cc ==
|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post rbc <rbc at daevid.com>
R=system_aliases T=address_pipe defer (-29): User 0 set for address_pipe
transport is on the never_users list

I've googled for address_pipe and never_users and it seems to be Exim
related, but I really don't know what to change to fix this. I used to
run mailman 2.0 with sendmail on an old RH8 box. Exim is all new to me
too. Sorry if this is off topic.

I tried to follow the instructions here, but still no joy.
http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html#exconf

Something isn't right:

daevid bin # exim -bt rbc at daevid.com
rbc at daevid.com -> |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post rbc
  transport = address_pipe

When it should say:
router = mailman_router, transport = mailman_transport





From helen at cc.huji.ac.il  Thu Apr  7 11:25:46 2005
From: helen at cc.huji.ac.il (helen)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:25:46 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to rebuild html archives from plaintext ?
In-Reply-To: <PC17452005040620171209847c9f2e24@msapiro>
References: <PC17452005040620171209847c9f2e24@msapiro>
Message-ID: <200504071225.46443.helen@cc.huji.ac.il>


On Thursday 07 April 2005 06:17, you wrote:
> helen wrote:
> >Thank you ! It appeared even easier than in the FAQ - just
> >
> >bin/arch <list_name>
> >
> >(it figured out by itself to use the archived text files instead of the
> > mbox file)
>
> Actually, the normal archiving process creates the cuumulative
> archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file as well as the
> monthly text files and that's what bin/arch used, but the bottom line
> is it worked.
>

*feels stupid* Indeed, the mbox contained the posts back to 2001 ! for some 
reason I had decided that the file is too small to contain all the postings - 
but apparently the list in question is very low-traffic.


> BTW, if you didn't use --wipe with bin/arch, you might want to check
> carefully in the monthly files for duplicates. If you have duplicates,
> you can just make a new, clean archive with the --wipe option.

Thank you ! 

>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

-- 
>^.^<
 |"|
 " "~~~


From copp at aero.und.edu  Thu Apr  7 14:46:52 2005
From: copp at aero.und.edu (Rodger Copp)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:46:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] In it possible to have Accept ticked by 
	default?
Message-ID: <s254e57d.064@134.129.212.8>

Thank you Mark for your reply. I've submitted a feature request for
this.

Here's my reasoning:

One particular user from our organization regularly sends several
emails to several moderated mailman lists. It is sufficient to simply
see who the message is from and then "Accept" it. We have to approve
each one separately and we have to change the "Defer" tick each time.
It's becoming a pain and it would be nice not to make those extra mouse
movements.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Apr  7 15:35:12 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:35:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] In it possible to have Accept ticked by  	default?
In-Reply-To: <s254e57d.064@134.129.212.8>
References: <s254e57d.064@134.129.212.8>
Message-ID: <p062007adbe7ae758353f@[10.0.1.3]>

At 7:46 AM -0500 2005-04-07, Rodger Copp wrote:

>  One particular user from our organization regularly sends several
>  emails to several moderated mailman lists. It is sufficient to simply
>  see who the message is from and then "Accept" it.

	Then put their address on the whitelist, so that their messages 
are automatically accepted and you don't have to manually moderate 
them.

	This is a much better solution than taking the serious risk of 
accidentally approving a whole raft of spam messages.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From covici at ccs.covici.com  Thu Apr  7 18:32:47 2005
From: covici at ccs.covici.com (John covici)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:32:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting uncaught bounce notification but not always
	!
Message-ID: <16981.24751.648403.992491@ccs.covici.com>

Hi.  I have been getting uncaught bounce notifications from messages
which look like they should have worked.

Now the one thing you should know is that I had to change the verp
stuff to go along with qmail which uses a - instead of + for its verp
processing.  I changed the regular expressions and the formats (I
hope) correctly and some bounces were processed correctly, but not
ones like the one below.

So, if you could assist me in this, I would appreciate it.

P.S. Is there a way to get qmail to do the right thing and use a +
rathar than a - for its verp?

Here is one of the messages I got.
>From mailman-bounces-covici=ccs.covici.com at wlym.com Wed Apr  6 23:41:33 2005
X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]
	["3348" "Wednesday" "6" "April" "2005" "22:31:11" "-0500" "mailman-bounces at wlym.com" "mailman-bounces at wlym.com" nil "89" "Uncaught bounce notification" "^From:" "lalist-owner at wlym.com" "lalist-owner at wlym.com" "4" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]
	nil)
Received: from fwd1a.spamh.com (fwd1a.spamh.com [207.44.136.106])
	by ccs.covici.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j373fU9O013682
	for <covici at ccs.covici.com>; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:41:33 -0400
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	for <covici at ccs.covici.com>; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:41:29 -0400
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Message-ID: <mailman.1.1112844671.24075.lalist at wlym.com>
Precedence: bulk
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Errors-To: mailman-bounces-covici=ccs.covici.com at wlym.com
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	USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=3.0.2
From: mailman-bounces at wlym.com
Sender: mailman-bounces-covici=ccs.covici.com at wlym.com
To: lalist-owner at wlym.com
Subject: Uncaught bounce notification
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:31:11 -0500

--===============1447001146==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all
unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).

For more information see:
http://lists.wlym.com/mailman/admin/lalist/bounce


--===============1447001146==
Content-Type: message/rfc822
MIME-Version: 1.0

Return-Path: <>
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Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:31:29 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at smtp.ucla.edu>
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To: <lalist-bounces-mrwnsvgmp=ucla.edu at wlym.com>
Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details
Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)

The original message was received at Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:31:28 -0700
from wlym.com [69.57.138.70]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<mrwnsvgmp at ucla.edu>
    (reason: 550 5.0.0 <mrwnsvgmp at ucla.edu>... User unknown)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mail.ucla.edu.:
>>> DATA
<<< 550 5.0.0 <mrwnsvgmp at ucla.edu>... User unknown
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<<< 503 5.0.0 Need RCPT (recipient)

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-- 
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

         John Covici
         covici at ccs.covici.com


From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Fri Apr  8 01:18:41 2005
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:18:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] brainstorming sending options (approval of
	moderated messages)
Message-ID: <4255BFD1.50202@state.or.us>

I have a script that monthly removes the members of a list and then updates it from another file. 
The default for all members is 'moderated',including the only person who will send messages,  so as 
to prevent spammers from spoofing list owners email and sending to the 40,000 member list.

I just need to clarify a couple of things about posting to lists. My tests show that if a subscriber 
is moderated and also is listed as a non-member who has permission to post, a post from that person 
is considered a post from a moderated member.

So, assuming the above, the only way to allow this person to post without having to go through the 
approval process would be to send a message with the  Approved: password as the first line.

Could someone verify that this is correct? Are there any other configuration options that would make 
this work without the sender having to intervene or send the Approved:password line?


-- 
Christopher Adams




From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr  8 06:27:01 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:27:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim and Mailman, address_pipe and never_users
In-Reply-To: <E881FC53D31A4F40A6604E37C19037A94323E9@BRAKA.lockdownnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504072127010781c0c6fc0e@msapiro>

Daevid Vincent wrote:

>I didn't see this come through the list since yesterday, 
>so I figured I'd send it again...


It was on the list yesterday and Brad's reply is at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-April/043964.html

Brad's reply is that this is an Exim question and Exim lists, etc are
much more likely to provide a useful response than this list.

In order to prove Brad correct, I'll point out what I (not an Exim guy)
see, but I can't tell you what to do about it because I don't know. 

>-----------------------------------
>
>I'm running Gentoo with Exim 4.43-r2 and Mailman 2.1.5-r4.
>
>When I send a message to my list "rbc", it never gets sent. 
>
>The logs have some entries that look like this:
>
>Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 no host name found for IP
>address 10.10.10.69
>Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 1DJ5B7-0006dd-Cc <=
>daevid at daevid.com H=(locutus) [10.10.10.69] P=esmtpsa
>X=TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128 A=login:dae51d S=569
>Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 1DJ5B7-0006dd-Cc User 0 set
>for address_pipe transport is on the never_users list
>                - Last output repeated twice -
>Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 1DJ5B7-0006dd-Cc ==
>|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post rbc <rbc at daevid.com>
>R=system_aliases T=address_pipe defer (-29): User 0 set for address_pipe
>transport is on the never_users list


This seems to me to be saying that Exim is trying to pipe the message
(presumably to the mailman wrapper), but it is running as User 0
(root) which is on some Exim configured list (never-users) of users
not allowed to do this.


>
>I've googled for address_pipe and never_users and it seems to be Exim
>related, but I really don't know what to change to fix this. I used to
>run mailman 2.0 with sendmail on an old RH8 box. Exim is all new to me
>too. Sorry if this is off topic.


I don't know what to change either.


>I tried to follow the instructions here, but still no joy.
>http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html#exconf
>
>Something isn't right:
>
>daevid bin # exim -bt rbc at daevid.com
>rbc at daevid.com -> |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post rbc
>  transport = address_pipe
>
>When it should say:
>router = mailman_router, transport = mailman_transport

Actually, I think the above is right. Mail to the list post address
(rbc at daevid.com) should be piped to the mailman wrapper exactly as
shown in the response. The router = and transport = stuff is an Exim
incantation that tells Exim to do its Mailman magic which results in
the pipe as shown.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr  8 06:50:32 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:50:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman under Debian -- Icons aren't showing up.
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050406131843.072e2990@ms.nysernet.org>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504072150320453c0c6fae5@msapiro>

Aaron The Young wrote:
>
>When I connect to the admin page, I get there, but I get three blue
>boxed question marks at the bottom of the page as if something or
>some images aren't loading.  I read the help sheet on copying over
>icons to the apache/icons directly, and putting PythonPowered.png,
>mailman-large.png, and mailman.jpg into the /usr/share/apache/icons
>directory has done nothing for me.


Have you set IMAGE_LOGOS in mm_cfg.py?


>Also, when I attempt to go to the mail archives, I get:
>
>The requested URL /pipermail/mailman/ was not found on this server.
>
>Do I have to install Pipermail?

No, but you have to configure the pipermail alias in your web server.

See http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node10.html for more on both of
these things.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From rpyne at kinfolk.org  Fri Apr  8 06:54:45 2005
From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard Pyne)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:54:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte
Message-ID: <4255BA35.1365.58E267E@localhost>

I'm seeing a problem where messages get in to mailman, and into 
the archives, but never get sent. When this happens I see this 
in the error log:

Apr 07 22:14:30 2005 (2477) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' 
codec can't decode byte 0x92 in position 291: ordinal not in 
range(128)
Apr 07 22:14:30 2005 (2477) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, 
in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, 
in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", 
line 73, in _dispose
    self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 
152, in process
    deliveryfunc(mlist, msg, msgdata, envsender, refused, conn)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 
285, in verpdeliver
    Decorate.process(mlist, msgcopy, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 
95, in process
    payload = header + frontsep + oldpayload + endsep + footer
UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0x92 in 
position 291: ordinal not in range(128)

Apr 07 22:14:32 2005 (2477) SHUNTING: 
1112933669.117754+96c37c2b0a5227c2d9e33ff582f5651df360473d


Any help in solving this will be greatly appreciated.

--Richard



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr  8 07:34:34 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 22:34:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode
	byte
In-Reply-To: <4255BA35.1365.58E267E@localhost>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504072234340312c0c6fa5a@msapiro>

Richard Pyne wrote:

>I'm seeing a problem where messages get in to mailman, and into 
>the archives, but never get sent. When this happens I see this 
>in the error log:
>
<snip>
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 
>95, in process
>    payload = header + frontsep + oldpayload + endsep + footer
>UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0x92 in 
>position 291: ordinal not in range(128)

The list language is English (USA) ('en') which has character set
us-ascii and the posted message contains a non-us-ascii character (hex
92).

>Apr 07 22:14:32 2005 (2477) SHUNTING: 
>1112933669.117754+96c37c2b0a5227c2d9e33ff582f5651df360473d

This error caused the message to be shunted (placed in the shunt
queue). You can run bin/unshunt to reprocess the message, but unless
you change the character set of the list language first, the error
will occur again and the message will be shunted again.

To change the character set to e.g. western european, you can put

add_language('en',    'English (USA)',       'iso-8859-1')

in mm_cfg.py and then do

bin/mailmanctl restart

followed by

bin/unshunt

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From lynn at siprelle.com  Fri Apr  8 08:09:22 2005
From: lynn at siprelle.com (Lynn Siprelle)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 23:09:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication required?
Message-ID: <1fb7d1a22949f0d3b4f0d8eb131c9355@siprelle.com>

Why is this happening? I tried searching the archives without success:

> The following addresses had delivery problems:
>
> <mob at lists.redmeadow.com>
> 	Permanent Failure: 550_authentication_required
> 	Delivery last attempted at Fri,  8 Apr 2005 05:53:18 -0000
> Reporting-MTA: dns; comcast.net
> Arrival-Date: 8 Apr 2005  5:53:02 +0000
>
> Final-Recipient: rfc822; <mob at lists.redmeadow.com>
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0 550_authentication_required
> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; Permanent Failure: Other undefined Status
> Last-Attempt-Date: Fri,  8 Apr 2005 05:53:18 -0000

Exim logs tell me only this:

2005-04-07 22:54:38 H=sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.202.59] 
F=<lynn at siprelle.com> rejected RCPT <mob at lists.redmeadow.com>: 
authentication required

It was working fine until about 36 hours ago.

Lynn S.

------
Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky
http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com
http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.knitting911.net



From adamrubin at gmail.com  Thu Apr  7 16:53:36 2005
From: adamrubin at gmail.com (Adam Rubin)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:53:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
Message-ID: <b997396605040707537f05d9db@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, I am looking to set up mailman for my website, but I am a technical 
novice and was wondering if there are any walkthroughs available for the 
amateur site builder. I had a look at the documentation posted on your site 
and it seemed to be beyond the scope of my understanding.

Many thanks

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Adam Rubin
MBA Candidate, Class of 2006
Rotman School of Management, University of Toronto
Mobile: 416.726.9980 adamrubin at gmail.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Since the one thing we can say about fundamental matter is, that it is 
vibrating. And since all vibrations are theoretically sound, then it is not 
unreasonable to suggest that the universe is music and should be perceived 
as such.
- "Nada Brahma: The World is Sound", by German jazz historian Joachim 
Ernst-Berendt


From craigdalton at exemail.com.au  Thu Apr  7 12:46:35 2005
From: craigdalton at exemail.com.au (Craig Dalton)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:46:35 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
Message-ID: <000e01c53b5f$122873a0$6401a8c0@newone>

Can members of the list email to the entire list or can only the administrator (or someone with admin username and password)  send out emails to the whole list.  I dont want to be tied down to having a single person only able to send to the list.  And can we ensure that only members can send to the list to decrease spam? thanks, Craig.

From tommydnp at scarlet.be  Thu Apr  7 20:56:44 2005
From: tommydnp at scarlet.be (Tommy De Notarpietro)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:56:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman's Mailling List
Message-ID: <4255826C.9040404@scarlet.be>

Hi,

I've bought a domainname and it's using Mailman. I just wanted to make a 
'Maling List' where people can subscribe or unsubscribe. This mailing 
list should be used to send them announcements. I've configured it, so 
at the last line you can see "Mail list run by my-emailadress at 
my-domain.com". When I use this address to notify all list members ( so 
I send to mymailinglist @ mydomain.com ), they don't receive it. Do you 
know what could be the problem or am I doing something wrong.

I'm looking forward to hearing from you,
Tommy.



From J.A.McCrea at kent.ac.uk  Fri Apr  8 11:07:24 2005
From: J.A.McCrea at kent.ac.uk (James McCrea)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:07:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LDAP integration (& passwords)
In-Reply-To: <20050401152746.GG15400@kent.ac.uk>
References: <20050401152746.GG15400@kent.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20050408090724.GF2345@kent.ac.uk>

Hi,

I perhaps am bundling too much up here.

Can anybody tell me there are any plans to integrate the (functionality
of the) 3rd party plugins that deal with LDAP functionality with the main
mailman distribution?

James

On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 04:27:46PM +0100, James McCrea wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> I'm going to be deploying mailman in place of majordomo soon, but just
> have some questions that i've not been able to find answers for thus
> far...
> 
> We have an institution wide LDAP service which will increasingly contain
> information that we would use for building lists from. This would include
> both lists created dynamically from the ldap info at mail-time, and also
> those created (perhaps via a script) that check for an attribute at some
> given point and build a list.
> 
> In addition to the above we use the LDAP servers for authentication for
> services such as mail, and the passwords stored here are in sync with
> those on our Active Directory setup.
> 
> It is *very* desireable to be able to allow users to authenticate for
> mailing list purposes by using their existing password that is used for
> all other services (mail, webmail, logging on, restricted site access
> etc)
> I know that some of this functionality is available via 3rd party
> plugins, but I'm wondering if this will be integrated with the mail
> mailman stream in the future, as i'd look silly working to merge things
> and then finding that! ;)
> 
> Obviously monthly reminders etc are inappropriate in this setup, we
> wouldn't want the passwords being pushed about in plain text. But i'm happy
> that's not a major problem and can be sorted whenever.
> 
> Any pointers or info about the mailman roadmap much appreciated, as are
> comments from people (esp educational institutions) running in a similar
> fashion.
> 
> Cheers
> James McCrea
> Computing Officer
> University of Kent
> 
> 
> NB, just in case it helps, here's our background:
> We have approx 2000 lists, most of which are less than a hundred addressses
> and change relatively frequently (~annually) and the others which are
> just a few lists with many users (up to a few thousand addresses)
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/j.a.mccrea%40kent.ac.uk
> 
> Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&amp;file=faq01.027.htp


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Apr  8 11:06:37 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:06:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication required?
In-Reply-To: <1fb7d1a22949f0d3b4f0d8eb131c9355@siprelle.com>
References: <1fb7d1a22949f0d3b4f0d8eb131c9355@siprelle.com>
Message-ID: <p062007b9be7bf9977c4b@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:09 PM -0700 2005-04-07, Lynn Siprelle wrote:

>  Exim logs tell me only this:
>
>  2005-04-07 22:54:38 H=sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.202.59]
>  F=<lynn at siprelle.com> rejected RCPT <mob at lists.redmeadow.com>:
>  authentication required
>
>  It was working fine until about 36 hours ago.

	It sounds like your ISP changed their configuration so as to 
require authentication for outgoing mail.  Or the remote MTA is 
misconfigured so that it thinks you should have to authenticate 
before it will accept your message.

	Either way, this appears to be a problem you need to discuss with 
them, and you'd be much more likely to get useful guidance in the 
future if you discussed these issues on a mailing list that is 
dedicated to supporting Exim.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Apr  8 11:14:33 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:14:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LDAP integration (& passwords)
In-Reply-To: <20050408090724.GF2345@kent.ac.uk>
References: <20050401152746.GG15400@kent.ac.uk>
	<20050408090724.GF2345@kent.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <p062007babe7bfbe70707@[10.0.1.3]>

At 10:07 AM +0100 2005-04-08, James McCrea wrote:

>  Can anybody tell me there are any plans to integrate the (functionality
>  of the) 3rd party plugins that deal with LDAP functionality with the main
>  mailman distribution?

	It's called "Mailman3".

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From chardlist at chard.net  Fri Apr  8 16:33:37 2005
From: chardlist at chard.net (chardlist)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 09:33:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Invitation Expiration
Message-ID: <200504081434.j38EYbIc011738@server5.chard.net>

How can I have the invitations Mailman sends expire in 5 days instead of 3?

-Brendan




From rick at niof.net  Fri Apr  8 17:07:16 2005
From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:07:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosting question
Message-ID: <20050408150716.GL27384@niof.net>

I run debian linux with exim3 and mailman 2.1.5. My machine has a
primary name of 'niof.net' and I also have several virtual hosts with
their own mailing lists on the same machine.

The mm_cfg.py file has 'VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()' and all the appropriate
add_virtualhost() lines.

Mail to 'list at virtual-host.com' works. 'virtual-host.com' is set as the
'host name this list prefers'. The link to
<http://virtual-host.com/mailman/listinfo/list> works but the links at
the bottom of that page (to the admin interface, other lists) use
niof.net as the host.

I can access the admindb pages with either host name.

How can I get *all* the pages to refer to the virtual host *only*?

-- 
A penny will hide the biggest star in the universe if you hold it close
enough to your eye. -Samuel Grafton
    Rick Pasotto    rick at niof.net    http://www.niof.net


From lynn at siprelle.com  Fri Apr  8 17:52:46 2005
From: lynn at siprelle.com (Lynn Siprelle)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:52:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication required?
In-Reply-To: <p062007b9be7bf9977c4b@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <1fb7d1a22949f0d3b4f0d8eb131c9355@siprelle.com>
	<p062007b9be7bf9977c4b@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <da08771b48746dccb2c79050d435aaf5@siprelle.com>

> 	It sounds like your ISP changed their configuration so as to require 
> authentication for outgoing mail.  Or the remote MTA is misconfigured 
> so that it thinks you should have to authenticate before it will 
> accept your message.
>
> 	Either way, this appears to be a problem you need to discuss with 
> them, and you'd be much more likely to get useful guidance in the 
> future if you discussed these issues on a mailing list that is 
> dedicated to supporting Exim.

Being new to Exim and not understanding whether this was a Mailman 
issue or a mail server issue, I thank you. Could have done without the 
dollop of snark, but that's the internet.

Lynn S.

------
Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky
http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com
http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.knitting911.net



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr  8 19:05:19 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:05:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Invitation Expiration
In-Reply-To: <200504081434.j38EYbIc011738@server5.chard.net>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504081005190125d0993af0@msapiro>

chardlist wrote:

>How can I have the invitations Mailman sends expire in 5 days instead of 3?
>

You can put

PENDING_REQUEST_LIFE = days(5)

in mm_cfg.py to set it globally for the installation. I don't think it
can be set with any finer granularity (e.g., per list or per
invitation).

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr  8 19:43:44 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:43:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosting question
In-Reply-To: <20050408150716.GL27384@niof.net>
Message-ID: <PC17452005040810434402340716d4b6@msapiro>

Rick Pasotto wrote:

>I run debian linux with exim3 and mailman 2.1.5. My machine has a
>primary name of 'niof.net' and I also have several virtual hosts with
>their own mailing lists on the same machine.
>
>The mm_cfg.py file has 'VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()' and all the appropriate
>add_virtualhost() lines.
>
>Mail to 'list at virtual-host.com' works. 'virtual-host.com' is set as the
>'host name this list prefers'. The link to
><http://virtual-host.com/mailman/listinfo/list> works but the links at
>the bottom of that page (to the admin interface, other lists) use
>niof.net as the host.
>
>I can access the admindb pages with either host name.
>
>How can I get *all* the pages to refer to the virtual host *only*?



Have you run fix_url since you last set up the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary
in mm_cfg.py?

Run bin/fix_url.py for instructions.


--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr  8 19:50:44 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:50:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman's Mailling List
In-Reply-To: <4255826C.9040404@scarlet.be>
Message-ID: <PC17452005040810504404216a032091@msapiro>

Tommy De Notarpietro wrote:
>
>I've bought a domainname and it's using Mailman. I just wanted to make a 
>'Maling List' where people can subscribe or unsubscribe. This mailing 
>list should be used to send them announcements. I've configured it, so 
>at the last line you can see "Mail list run by my-emailadress at 
>my-domain.com". When I use this address to notify all list members ( so 
>I send to mymailinglist @ mydomain.com ), they don't receive it. Do you 
>know what could be the problem or am I doing something wrong.
>

I can't tell from the above if you're sending your post to the "list
run by" address or the actual "listname" address. It is the "listname"
address you should be posting to.

See the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Article 3.11 for information on setting up announcement only lists

Article 3.14 for troubleshooting

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr  8 19:53:53 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:53:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <b997396605040707537f05d9db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC17452005040810535303126a03202d@msapiro>

Adam Rubin wrote:

>Hello, I am looking to set up mailman for my website, but I am a technical 
>novice and was wondering if there are any walkthroughs available for the 
>amateur site builder. I had a look at the documentation posted on your site 
>and it seemed to be beyond the scope of my understanding.

The installation manual at
http://www.list.org/mailman-install/index.html is pretty much the best
we've got. If this is too technical, I don't think we can help you.
Sorry.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr  8 19:59:08 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:59:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
In-Reply-To: <000e01c53b5f$122873a0$6401a8c0@newone>
Message-ID: <PC174520050408105908075078df9876@msapiro>

Craig Dalton wrote:

>Can members of the list email to the entire list or can only the administrator (or someone with admin username and password)  send out emails to the whole list.

Lists can be set up either way or something in between.

>I dont want to be tied down to having a single person only able to send to the list.

No problem. All unmoderated members can post without further approval.

>And can we ensure that only members can send to the list to decrease spam?

Yes, this is the normal default, although you can allow specific
non-members (by reg exp match on e-mail address) or all non-members to
post if you want to.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr  8 20:11:42 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:11:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] brainstorming sending options (approval
	ofmoderated messages)
In-Reply-To: <4255BFD1.50202@state.or.us>
Message-ID: <PC17452005040811114201876a031fa5@msapiro>

Christopher Adams wrote:

>I have a script that monthly removes the members of a list and then updates it from another file. 
>The default for all members is 'moderated',including the only person who will send messages,  so as 
>to prevent spammers from spoofing list owners email and sending to the 40,000 member list.


If you're not using bin/sync_members in your script, you might want to
consider it.


>I just need to clarify a couple of things about posting to lists. My tests show that if a subscriber 
>is moderated and also is listed as a non-member who has permission to post, a post from that person 
>is considered a post from a moderated member.
>
>So, assuming the above, the only way to allow this person to post without having to go through the 
>approval process would be to send a message with the  Approved: password as the first line.
>
>Could someone verify that this is correct? Are there any other configuration options that would make 
>this work without the sender having to intervene or send the Approved:password line?
>

I won't guarantee that there's no way, but as long as you don't change
the pipeline, I believe that there are no configurations that would
allow a moderated member to post without an Approved: header/line
without going through moderation.

Of course, if there are unmoderated members or non-members allowed to
post, the moderated member could spoof one of these other addresses
and post that way, but you seem to have that covered.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Apr  8 20:21:46 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 20:21:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication required?
In-Reply-To: <da08771b48746dccb2c79050d435aaf5@siprelle.com>
References: <1fb7d1a22949f0d3b4f0d8eb131c9355@siprelle.com>
	<p062007b9be7bf9977c4b@[10.0.1.3]>
	<da08771b48746dccb2c79050d435aaf5@siprelle.com>
Message-ID: <p062007c5be7c7bf40a55@[10.0.1.3]>

At 8:52 AM -0700 2005-04-08, Lynn Siprelle wrote:

>  Could have done without the dollop of snark, but that's the internet.

	I wasn't being snarky.  I was being honest -- there are a few 
Exim-knowledgeable people on this list, but most of them are over on 
the mailing lists devoted to supporting Exim.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From larryt at winfirst.com  Fri Apr  8 14:59:32 2005
From: larryt at winfirst.com (larryt at winfirst.com)
Date: Fri,  8 Apr 2005 12:59:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gid/uid problem? 
Message-ID: <20050408125932.06B44AC284@mail.sacsys.com>


Sorry to bother everybody with this...  I'm new to the list and have
searched the archives, though not exhaustively.  

Membership management thru cgi silently fails-- both mass subscriptons
and individual check-box actions like unsubscribe this member.  Adding
memebers from command line works fine, and general options thru cgi
work fine.  Mailman is configured with (standard) uid/gid mailman
mailman, cgi-group nobody, mail-group postfix.  Seems like a command
doesn't have permission to use a necessary resource, but I can't see
what.  What am I missing?  I know its something dumb, but...

thanks,
larry


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr  8 22:51:00 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:51:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gid/uid problem? 
In-Reply-To: <20050408125932.06B44AC284@mail.sacsys.com>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504081351000953d32a31d9@msapiro>

larryt at winfirst.com wrote:
>
>Membership management thru cgi silently fails-- both mass subscriptons
>and individual check-box actions like unsubscribe this member.

How about other checkbox actions like moderate or digest?

>Adding
>memebers from command line works fine, and general options thru cgi
>work fine.

What about other admin pages like Digest Options, Non-digest options,
Privacy options ..., etc.

>Mailman is configured with (standard) uid/gid mailman
>mailman, cgi-group nobody, mail-group postfix.  Seems like a command
>doesn't have permission to use a necessary resource, but I can't see
>what.  What am I missing?  I know its something dumb, but...

Have you tried bin/check_perms? Have you looked at all the Mailman
logs, in particular 'error' and 'subscribe'?

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From larryt at winfirst.com  Sat Apr  9 01:02:11 2005
From: larryt at winfirst.com (larryt at winfirst.com)
Date: 08 Apr 2005 23:02:11 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "notification of pending moderator requests"
	question
In-Reply-To: <PC1745200504081705290593842bf12e@msapiro>
References: <PC1745200504081705290593842bf12e@msapiro>
Message-ID: <x77jjcx47g.fsf@winfirst.com>


Thanks to Mark Sapiro, cgi is now mostly working after installing a
stable Python (2.4.1).  On the Membership management page, only the
"moderation bit" toggle at the bottom appears to remain
non-functional.

Speaking of moderation, when the <Privacy options> <Subscription
rules> are set to "Require approval" (or "Confirm and approve"), how
can I have the list moderator (or administrator) be sent an immediate
notification like the <General Options> "notifices of subscribes and
unsubscribes"?  The "Require approval" admin works fine, but the list
moderator currently has to check periodically for waiting subscription
requests.

thanks,
larry



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sat Apr  9 18:22:38 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 18:22:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "notification of pending moderator
	requests" 	question
In-Reply-To: <x77jjcx47g.fsf@winfirst.com>
References: <PC1745200504081705290593842bf12e@msapiro>
	<x77jjcx47g.fsf@winfirst.com>
Message-ID: <p06200703be7db1608b0c@[10.0.1.3]>

At 11:02 PM +0000 2005-04-08, larryt at winfirst.com wrote:

>  Thanks to Mark Sapiro, cgi is now mostly working after installing a
>  stable Python (2.4.1).  On the Membership management page, only the
>  "moderation bit" toggle at the bottom appears to remain
>  non-functional.

	Be careful with Python 2.4.  Mailman 2.1.5 is not yet ready for 
Python 2.4.  If you're going to run Python 2.4, you need to be using 
the latest beta of Mailman 2.1.6.  Otherwise, you need to go back to 
the latest version of Python 2.3 if you're going to be using Mailman 
2.1.5.

>  Speaking of moderation, when the <Privacy options> <Subscription
>  rules> are set to "Require approval" (or "Confirm and approve"), how
>  can I have the list moderator (or administrator) be sent an immediate
>  notification like the <General Options> "notifices of subscribes and
>  unsubscribes"?  The "Require approval" admin works fine, but the list
>  moderator currently has to check periodically for waiting subscription
>  requests.

	If you've got "immediate moderator notice" turned on, that should 
work for all types of notices, not just subscription requests.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From marta at orquidia.com  Sat Apr  9 07:14:50 2005
From: marta at orquidia.com (Marta Satorre)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 07:14:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman discussion lists
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050409071213.04e1f310@mail.hakanfalk.com>


I need help to install Mailman on am Ensim pro - Linux based account  What 
I want is to be able to create and maintain discussion lists. I need 
experienced developer/installer who have done many installations.

Marta






From cdjohnso at garlic.com  Sat Apr  9 18:55:08 2005
From: cdjohnso at garlic.com (Cheryl D. Johnson)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 09:55:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "notification of pending moderator
	requests" 	question
In-Reply-To: <p06200703be7db1608b0c@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <PC1745200504081705290593842bf12e@msapiro>
	<x77jjcx47g.fsf@winfirst.com> <p06200703be7db1608b0c@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050409094242.01d3e838@mailin.garlic.com>

cheryl here - i work (sorta, kinda) with larryt.  see my response to brad's 
below:

At 09:22 AM 4/9/2005, you wrote:

>At 11:02 PM +0000 2005-04-08, larryt at winfirst.com wrote:
>
>>  Speaking of moderation, when the <Privacy options> <Subscription
>>  rules> are set to "Require approval" (or "Confirm and approve"), how
>>  can I have the list moderator (or administrator) be sent an immediate
>>  notification like the <General Options> "notifices of subscribes and
>>  unsubscribes"?  The "Require approval" admin works fine, but the list
>>  moderator currently has to check periodically for waiting subscription
>>  requests.
>
>         If you've got "immediate moderator notice" turned on, that should 
> work for all types of notices, not just subscription requests.

we do and they don't - none of the notifications work that are supposed to 
work.  also, i wanted to add that the notifications did work when the lists 
were initially started up.  we're not sure what happened to make them stop 
functioning.

cdj



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From jwt at onjapan.net  Sun Apr 10 09:00:47 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 16:00:47 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "notification of pending moderator requests"
	question
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050409094242.01d3e838@mailin.garlic.com>
References: <PC1745200504081705290593842bf12e@msapiro>
	<x77jjcx47g.fsf@winfirst.com> <p06200703be7db1608b0c@[10.0.1.3]>
	<6.2.1.2.0.20050409094242.01d3e838@mailin.garlic.com>
Message-ID: <54eb2f019ed24fc76f41fc85f7e4ba64@onjapan.net>

On Apr 10, 2005, at 01:55, Cheryl D. Johnson wrote:

> we do and they don't - none of the notifications work that are 
> supposed to work.  also, i wanted to add that the notifications did 
> work when the lists were initially started up.  we're not sure what 
> happened to make them stop functioning.

Are all of the queue runners running?  Anything in the virgin queue?

Any clues in the mailman logs at the time when it should send the 
notification?

Did the default language for the list(s) change?  Any template changes?

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From jwt at onjapan.net  Sun Apr 10 15:23:12 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:23:12 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication required?
In-Reply-To: <p062007b9be7bf9977c4b@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <1fb7d1a22949f0d3b4f0d8eb131c9355@siprelle.com>
	<p062007b9be7bf9977c4b@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <84f1565409a757a3c3f9b8a0bf507c42@onjapan.net>

On Apr 8, 2005, at 18:06, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 11:09 PM -0700 2005-04-07, Lynn Siprelle wrote:
>
>>  Exim logs tell me only this:
>>
>>  2005-04-07 22:54:38 H=sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.202.59]
>>  F=<lynn at siprelle.com> rejected RCPT <mob at lists.redmeadow.com>:
>>  authentication required
>>
>>  It was working fine until about 36 hours ago.
>
> 	It sounds like your ISP changed their configuration so as to require 
> authentication for outgoing mail.  Or the remote MTA is misconfigured 
> so that it thinks you should have to authenticate before it will 
> accept your message.

And if you learn that you do have to use SMTP AUTH now, you can add a 
single line to Mailman's SMTPDirect.py to enable it.
   <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-June/037538.html>


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From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com  Sun Apr 10 18:38:55 2005
From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:38:55 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug report
Message-ID: <4259569F.9040300@mail.otherwhen.com>

Hi,

One of my moderators was trying to delete a spam submitted by a 
non-subscriber.  And he got the following error.  I've attached the 
email message that triggered the error.  And I deleted the message from 
<home>mailman/data

It seems that the message subject has some non-ascii characters in it, 
and that's giving mailman fits.

Thanks,
Mike


    Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5


      We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy 
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
happened. Thanks!


        Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 163, in main
    process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 788, in process_form
    preserve, forward, forwardaddr)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 161, in HandleRequest
    forward, addr)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 347, in __handlepost
    syslog('vette', note)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 40, in write
    self.write_ex(kind, msg, args, kws)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 58, in write_ex
    logf.write(msg + '\n')
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 73, in write
    Logger.write(self, "%s %s" % (prefix, msg))
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write
    f.write(msg)
UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128)




------------------------------------------------------------------------


        Python information:

Variable 	Value
sys.version 	2.2.2 (#1, Mar 22 2003, 15:26:17) [GCC 2.95.4 20020320 
[FreeBSD]]
sys.executable 	/usr/local/bin/python
sys.prefix 	/usr/local
sys.exec_prefix 	/usr/local
sys.path 	/usr/local
sys.platform 	freebsd4

------------------------------------------------------------------------


        Environment variables:

Variable 	Value
PATH_INFO 	/groaners
HTTP_ACCEPT 
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5 

CONTENT_TYPE 	application/x-www-form-urlencoded
HTTP_REFERER 
http://www.otherwhen.com/mailman/admindb/groaners?sender=pqqeruf%40statemier.com 

SERVER_SOFTWARE 	Apache/1.3.33 (Unix)
PYTHONPATH 	/usr/local/mailman
SCRIPT_FILENAME 	/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
SERVER_ADMIN 	mavery at mail.otherwhen.com
SCRIPT_NAME 	/mailman/admindb
SERVER_SIGNATURE 	
Apache/1.3.33 Server at www.otherwhen.com Port 80

REQUEST_METHOD 	POST
HTTP_HOST 	www.otherwhen.com
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 	300
SERVER_PROTOCOL 	HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING 	
PATH_TRANSLATED 	/usr/local/www/data/groaners
REQUEST_URI 	/mailman/admindb/groaners
CONTENT_LENGTH 	3056
HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 	ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
HTTP_USER_AGENT 	Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; 
rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050317 Firefox/1.0.2
HTTP_CONNECTION 	keep-alive
HTTP_COOKIE 
groaners+admin=28020000006937545942732800000065393263646562346631346331623939346161373839636363303861386134343832383061633137 

SERVER_NAME 	www.otherwhen.com
REMOTE_ADDR 	192.168.2.66
REMOTE_PORT 	2549
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 	en-us,en;q=0.5
UNIQUE_ID 	QllVEcCoAgMAAQNfE5w
SERVER_PORT 	80
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 	CGI/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 	gzip,deflate
SERVER_ADDR 	192.168.2.3
DOCUMENT_ROOT 	/usr/local/www/data



From femenia at attglobal.net  Mon Apr 11 03:50:49 2005
From: femenia at attglobal.net (Femenia)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:50:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about extracting mail list
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050410214922.036499e8@pop6.attglobal.net>

Hi,
I'm interested in migrating the list to another system. How can I extract 
the 5200 email addresses? the system allows me to see only 30 each time. 
Can I see all of them in  a continuos list?
many thanks

Nora

Nora Femenia, Ph.D.
femenia at inter-mediacion.com
Quiere visitar nuestro foro?
http://inter-mediacion.com/phpBB/
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From Jason at Weatherserver.net  Mon Apr 11 09:18:30 2005
From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 03:18:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about extracting mail list
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050410214922.036499e8@pop6.attglobal.net>
Message-ID: <002e01c53e66$a9a498d0$1400000a@workstation>

There are a few ways. If you are moving to another mailman system you can 
just copy the directory for the list to the new system.

You could email    listname-request at domain.com
and in the body put

who  listpassword


and it will email you back a list of all the emails in the list IF the 
people don't have themself setup as hidden.

And then import that list into your new listserver.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Femenia" <femenia at attglobal.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:50 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about extracting mail list


> Hi,
> I'm interested in migrating the list to another system. How can I extract 
> the 5200 email addresses? the system allows me to see only 30 each time. 
> Can I see all of them in  a continuos list?
> many thanks
>
> Nora
>
> Nora Femenia, Ph.D.
> femenia at inter-mediacion.com
> Quiere visitar nuestro foro?
> http://inter-mediacion.com/phpBB/
> 3706 N Ocean Blvd, # 283
> Fort Lauderdale, FL, 33308
> Phone:  +1 (954) 568-3620
> Fax:        +1 (253) 540 9889
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From larryt at winfirst.com  Mon Apr 11 02:08:41 2005
From: larryt at winfirst.com (larryt at winfirst.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 00:08:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "notification of pending moderator requests"
	answered
Message-ID: <20050411000841.90C61AC286@mail.sacsys.com>


This just a note of thanks to Brad Knowles, Mark Sapiro and Jim
Tittsler for insights that helped us get notifications working again.
Our specific problems-- python version and gid mismatches-- were
pretty common errors, but the combination threw us off the trail.
Thanks again.

-larry


From grant at eforeducation.co.uk  Mon Apr 11 12:42:38 2005
From: grant at eforeducation.co.uk (Grant French)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:42:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML to Plaintext problem
Message-ID: <425A549E.3000204@eforeducation.co.uk>

I have recently setup a server running mailman 2.1.5, im having 
difficulties allowing
html emails to be posted, every time they just get converted to plain 
text, is there
anyway to allow html through onto the list? I have 
convert_html_to_plaintext off
and content filtering off, but still no joy,

Grant


From msapiro at value.net  Mon Apr 11 16:18:59 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:18:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about extracting mail list
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050410214922.036499e8@pop6.attglobal.net>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504110718590156c42752f7@msapiro>

Femenia wrote:

>I'm interested in migrating the list to another system. How can I extract 
>the 5200 email addresses? the system allows me to see only 30 each time. 
>Can I see all of them in  a continuos list?

If you have command line access, the preferred way is bin/list_members.

If not, see the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Article 3.53 for a link to a sample script to automate retrieving the
list via the web.
 
--
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San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Mon Apr 11 16:40:02 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:40:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML to Plaintext problem
In-Reply-To: <425A549E.3000204@eforeducation.co.uk>
Message-ID: <PC174520050411074002003179f300a1@msapiro>

Grant French wrote:

>I have recently setup a server running mailman 2.1.5, im having 
>difficulties allowing
>html emails to be posted, every time they just get converted to plain 
>text, is there
>anyway to allow html through onto the list? I have 
>convert_html_to_plaintext off
>and content filtering off, but still no joy,

If content filtering is off, message recipients should receive the
entire message as posted. What happens in archives and non-MIME
digests is partly controled by the mm_cfg variable
ARCHIVE_HTML_SANITIZER.

If as you say, content filtering is off and if individual messages
received from the list have HTML parts removed, then I don't
understand why.

On the other hand, if content filtering is on and convert HTML to
plaintext is off, then the issue is probably that only the first part
of multipart/alternative (nprmally a text/plain part) is being
selected by content filtering. There's a lot on this in the archives.
See
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amail.python.org+inurl%3Amailman-users+%22multipart%2Falternative%22+%22text%2Fplain%22


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From haack at nclack.k12.or.us  Mon Apr 11 18:08:43 2005
From: haack at nclack.k12.or.us (Robert Haack)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:08:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Debugging Steps
Message-ID: <425AA10B.4090505@nclack.k12.or.us>

I didn't find this in the FAQ or in the archives so I thought I would 
post it here.  I'm trying to resolve a problem I'm having where messages 
that appear to get stuck sometimes my Mailman lists and was wondering 
what steps you would recommend to take to figure out what is causing the 
problem.  Just to give you an overview of the problem so this might make 
more sense.  I had a user send a message to one of our lists list Friday 
at 9:31 AM.  I never saw the message until this morning and the message 
show the correct time the user sent the message but the Mailman log 
shows that it went out yesterday at about 8:00 PM which is about the 
time I rebooted my server.  So if I had some steps to help me figure out 
where to look I'm sure I could figure out what is causing this problem.

Thank You

-- 
Robert Haack
Programmer Analyst
North Clackamas School District #12
haack at nclack.k12.or.us



From epeterson at edc.org  Mon Apr 11 19:16:48 2005
From: epeterson at edc.org (Erik Peterson)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:16:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] header not working in body
Message-ID: <425AB100.1010603@edc.org>

I have been trying to get the "Urgent:" header to work and I can't seem 
to get it to happen.  I can't modify my MUA's headers to add it 
directly, so I was attempting to make "Urgent: <listpassword>" the first 
line of the message followed by a blank line and then the original body, 
which seems to be indicated in a bunch of emails found while searching 
this list...

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg15961.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg16405.html


This was simply ignored by Mailman.  The message was sent out in tact 
with this line to the non-digest recipients and held for the digest 
recipients.  Don't worry, I'm using a test list...

I made sure that the message was sent in text/plain, no extraneous 
characters, the "Urgent: " was the first line of the message, etc.

This is what I received:

><lots of headers...>
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Urgent: password
>
>THis is another test
>

Any hints?

Thanks
Erik Peterson
Education Devleopment Center, Inc.


From shaggyshags at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 19:59:53 2005
From: shaggyshags at gmail.com (Dave Pisarek)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:59:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving lists from one server to another
Message-ID: <cbd337c050411105936871d0f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I am new to mailman and need to move around 200 lists from one server
to another. I am looking for an easy way and fast way to do so. If
someone could explain how or point me to good docs on how to do this I
would greatly appreciate.
-- 
-- Dave


From jdennis at redhat.com  Mon Apr 11 20:54:22 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:54:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving lists from one server to another
In-Reply-To: <cbd337c050411105936871d0f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cbd337c050411105936871d0f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1113245662.5549.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-04-11 at 13:59 -0400, Dave Pisarek wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I am new to mailman and need to move around 200 lists from one server
> to another. I am looking for an easy way and fast way to do so. If
> someone could explain how or point me to good docs on how to do this I
> would greatly appreciate.

You left out some information that would help answer your question:

* Do you have shell access to both servers?

  If so you can copy the files in the mailman "var" directory.

* Will both servers be running the same basic version of mailman?
  E.g. 2.1 vs. 2.0? If you're upgrading versions at the same time you
  may need to run bin/update after the data files have been copied.

* Will the new server have a new domain? If so, and you have shell
  access then you'll also have have to run bin/fix_url to change the
  domain.

* You almost certainly have to check the values mm_cfg.py so they match
  the new server.

* If you don't have shell access then I think its going to be very
  difficult.

Don't forget to stop mailman from running before taking a snapshot of
the files to copy and give yourself time to test the new installation
before you turn your lists back on.
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From shaggyshags at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 21:19:26 2005
From: shaggyshags at gmail.com (Dave Pisarek)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:19:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving lists from one server to another
In-Reply-To: <1113245662.5549.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <cbd337c050411105936871d0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1113245662.5549.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <cbd337c0504111219701655da@mail.gmail.com>

On Apr 11, 2005 2:54 PM, John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-04-11 at 13:59 -0400, Dave Pisarek wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I am new to mailman and need to move around 200 lists from one server
> > to another. I am looking for an easy way and fast way to do so. If
> > someone could explain how or point me to good docs on how to do this I
> > would greatly appreciate.
> 
> You left out some information that would help answer your question:
> 
> * Do you have shell access to both servers?
> 
>   If so you can copy the files in the mailman "var" directory.
> 
> * Will both servers be running the same basic version of mailman?
>   E.g. 2.1 vs. 2.0? If you're upgrading versions at the same time you
>   may need to run bin/update after the data files have been copied.
> 
> * Will the new server have a new domain? If so, and you have shell
>   access then you'll also have have to run bin/fix_url to change the
>   domain.
> 
> * You almost certainly have to check the values mm_cfg.py so they match
>   the new server.
> 
> * If you don't have shell access then I think its going to be very
>   difficult.
> 
> Don't forget to stop mailman from running before taking a snapshot of
> the files to copy and give yourself time to test the new installation
> before you turn your lists back on.
> --
> John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>
> 
> 
I do have root access to both servers and the new server is 2.1 vs the
old 2.0 so you information is very helpful.

Thank you very much John


-- 
-- Dave


From shaggyshags at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 21:23:17 2005
From: shaggyshags at gmail.com (Dave Pisarek)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:23:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving lists from one server to another
In-Reply-To: <cbd337c0504111219701655da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cbd337c050411105936871d0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1113245662.5549.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<cbd337c0504111219701655da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cbd337c0504111223fd94b45@mail.gmail.com>

On Apr 11, 2005 3:19 PM, Dave Pisarek <shaggyshags at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 11, 2005 2:54 PM, John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2005-04-11 at 13:59 -0400, Dave Pisarek wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I am new to mailman and need to move around 200 lists from one server
> > > to another. I am looking for an easy way and fast way to do so. If
> > > someone could explain how or point me to good docs on how to do this I
> > > would greatly appreciate.
> >
> > You left out some information that would help answer your question:
> >
> > * Do you have shell access to both servers?
> >
> >   If so you can copy the files in the mailman "var" directory.
> >
> > * Will both servers be running the same basic version of mailman?
> >   E.g. 2.1 vs. 2.0? If you're upgrading versions at the same time you
> >   may need to run bin/update after the data files have been copied.
> >
> > * Will the new server have a new domain? If so, and you have shell
> >   access then you'll also have have to run bin/fix_url to change the
> >   domain.
> >
> > * You almost certainly have to check the values mm_cfg.py so they match
> >   the new server.
> >
> > * If you don't have shell access then I think its going to be very
> >   difficult.
> >
> > Don't forget to stop mailman from running before taking a snapshot of
> > the files to copy and give yourself time to test the new installation
> > before you turn your lists back on.
> > --
> > John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>
> >
> >
> I do have root access to both servers and the new server is 2.1 vs the
> old 2.0 so you information is very helpful.
> 
> Thank you very much John
> 
> --
> -- Dave
> 
One thing that I do not have is a "var" directory in mailman. Below is
the what I have after I su - mailman

bash-2.05$ pwd
/usr/mailman
bash-2.05$ ls
Mailman    archives   cgi-bin    data       icons      locks      mail
      pythonlib  scripts    templates
TMPPPP     bin        cron       htdocs     lists      logs      
messages   qfiles     spam       tests

Not sure if this helps you but i am a little confused by the "var"

-- 
-- Dave


From jdennis at redhat.com  Mon Apr 11 22:21:16 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:21:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving lists from one server to another
In-Reply-To: <cbd337c0504111223fd94b45@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cbd337c050411105936871d0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1113245662.5549.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<cbd337c0504111219701655da@mail.gmail.com>
	<cbd337c0504111223fd94b45@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1113250876.5549.73.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-04-11 at 15:23 -0400, Dave Pisarek wrote:
> One thing that I do not have is a "var" directory in mailman. Below is
> the what I have after I su - mailman
> 
> bash-2.05$ pwd
> /usr/mailman
> bash-2.05$ ls
> Mailman    archives   cgi-bin    data       icons      locks      mail
>       pythonlib  scripts    templates
> TMPPPP     bin        cron       htdocs     lists      logs      
> messages   qfiles     spam       tests
> 
> Not sure if this helps you but i am a little confused by the "var"

As typically shipped and installed mailman has two "root" directories it
can install into, "prefix" and "var_prefix". In this instance "var" mean
variable, or where mailman will place its variable data as opposed to
its static run time files. Use of var_prefix is optional and depends on
how the installation was done initially. Typically what is in var_prefix
is archives, data, lists, logs, spam (off the top of my head and thats
from a 2.1 perspective, 2.0 is fuzzy these days). It looks like your
previous installation didn't separate static runtime files from varible
data files.

There are two files in the root of the tarball you'll want to read
carefully, one is INSTALL, it explains many things and the steps
involved. You will also want to read UPGRADING, it will help you go from
2.0 to 2.1.
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From yonemitsuv at bpl.on.ca  Mon Apr 11 22:25:49 2005
From: yonemitsuv at bpl.on.ca (Vincent Yonemitsu)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:25:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restrict listserv to domain senders?
Message-ID: <9aa7b9121b7789548fb16533c53e4a40@bpl.on.ca>

I was wondering if there is a way to restrict a particular mailing list to a group of senders like say the users on the list? I am sure there is a way I just can't seem to find the setting in the web admin.

Vincent Yonemitsu
Burlington Public Library
Information Technology Department
Ph: (905)639-3611 ext 153
Fax: (905)681-7277
yonemitsuv at bpl.on.ca



From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com  Tue Apr 12 00:27:46 2005
From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:27:46 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.5 breaks when I upgrade from postfix 1
	to 2
In-Reply-To: <9aa7b9121b7789548fb16533c53e4a40@bpl.on.ca>
References: <9aa7b9121b7789548fb16533c53e4a40@bpl.on.ca>
Message-ID: <425AF9E2.8060708@mail.otherwhen.com>

I've been trying to upgrade my FreeBSD 4.8 system from Postfix 1.1.12 to 
2.2.  Every time I install it, it works fine.  However Mailman stops dead. 

When I uninstall 2.2 and revert to 1.1.12, Mailman is happy again.

Looking at the current versions, I suppose I should try for Postfix 2.3 
now instead of 2.2.... but I doubt the issues would change somehow.

Can anyone point me in the right direction to figure out what's going on?

Thanks,
Mike



From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com  Tue Apr 12 00:29:40 2005
From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:29:40 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman webmin plugin?
In-Reply-To: <9aa7b9121b7789548fb16533c53e4a40@bpl.on.ca>
References: <9aa7b9121b7789548fb16533c53e4a40@bpl.on.ca>
Message-ID: <425AFA54.9070206@mail.otherwhen.com>

I recently started looking at Webmin, and it's pretty nice.

So, I started looking for a Mailman module for Webmin.  Sadly, the only 
one I found on SouceForge is kinda old.  Has anyone used it?  Does it 
work?  Is there a working module out there somewhere?

Thanks,
Mike



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Tue Apr 12 01:49:06 2005
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:49:06 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] header not working in body
In-Reply-To: <425AB100.1010603@edc.org>
References: <425AB100.1010603@edc.org>
Message-ID: <425B0CF2.9060208@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Erik Peterson wrote:

> I have been trying to get the "Urgent:" header to work and I can't seem 
> to get it to happen.  I can't modify my MUA's headers to add it 
> directly, so I was attempting to make "Urgent: <listpassword>" the first 
> line of the message followed by a blank line and then the original body, 
> which seems to be indicated in a bunch of emails found while searching 
> this list...
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg15961.html
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg16405.html
> 
> 
> This was simply ignored by Mailman.  The message was sent out in tact 
> with this line to the non-digest recipients and held for the digest 
> recipients.  Don't worry, I'm using a test list...
> 
> I made sure that the message was sent in text/plain, no extraneous 
> characters, the "Urgent: " was the first line of the message, etc.
> 

Browsing through the code, it looks like Urgent: is only valid in header 
position. Not supported for the first line in body.


-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/



From jlb at twu.net  Tue Apr 12 03:27:39 2005
From: jlb at twu.net (JLB)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:27:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin interface not taking changes,
	asking repeatedly to log in
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0504112124400.15308@twu.net>

Hi guys.

I have attempted to set up a mailman system, but the admin
interface seems b0rked. It's a fresh install of mailman 2.1.5 on a Red Hat
Linux 7.1/x86 box. I log in with the list administrator password (this
works) and try to change some general settings, but each time I hit the
submit button, it simply asks me for the list administrator password
again. (Yes, I DO have cookies enabled, and yes, I DID try with multiple
browsers... same results :( )

When I give the admin password again, it shows that my changes did not
take effect.

Please email me off-list (jlb at twu dot net OR j at twu dot net) and I
will provide the URL and the list admin password. I notice nothing unusual
in the HTTP access or error logs for the domain. I am completely stumped
and Python is not my lingua franca (Perl is)... so I'm lost.

Please, someone help. I'm sure someone else has had this problem before...

--
J. L. Blank, Systems Administrator, twu.net


From raub at grove.circa.ufl.edu  Mon Apr 11 21:16:27 2005
From: raub at grove.circa.ufl.edu (Mauricio Tavares)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:16:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and ssl fun
Message-ID: <425ACD0B.7000701@grove.circa.ufl.edu>

         mailman and ssl fun: Since I only have one webserver without 
extra IPs for the different sites, I want to setup my mailman virtual 
host so it goes to mailman.kushana.com:10445 (through ssl). So, I get 
soemthing like this:

<VirtualHost mailman.kushana.com:10445>
      DocumentRoot "/export/bin/mailman"
      ServerName mailman.kushana.com
      ScriptAlias /mail/    "/export/bin/mailman/cgi-bin/"
      ScriptAlias /mailman/    "/export/bin/mailman/cgi-bin/"
      Alias /pipermail/ /export/bin/mailman/archives/public/
      CustomLog /usr/local/apache/logs/access.mailman combined
      ErrorLog /usr/local/apache/logs/errors.mailman

SSLEngine               on

SSLCertificateFile /usr/local/apache/conf/ssl.crt/server.crt
SSLCertificateKeyFile /usr/local/apache/conf/ssl.key/server.key
</VirtualHost>

After restarting apache, I set my browser to

https://mailman.kushana.com:10445/mailman/admin/test-mailinglist/bounce

I get the authentication page without a problem.  But, once I enter the
password and click on the login button, I am pointed to the url

https://mailman/admin/test-mailinglist/bounce

on port 443. What am I doing wrong here?



From tyoggev at 013.net  Mon Apr 11 19:55:34 2005
From: tyoggev at 013.net (Tamara Yoggev)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:55:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no outgoing mail with postfix
Message-ID: <011f01c53ebf$bc7afea0$e2b94055@aish8yaygqb4pb>

Hi,

I'm baffled, and would greatly appreciate your help.

I just finished setting up DNS on our Linux server, it seems to work fine.
mailman and postfix are installed and configured.

I had mailman through postfix successfully send out emails, (I couldn't accept any emails though, because I didn't have DNS
set up yet), and now that I have my own DNS set up on the box, and changed relayhost to: mail.aishlist.com instead of my ISPs
relay host, I can accept emails, but I can't seem to send any emails, but I get NO error in the log file. so I am totally clueless as to
what the problem is. 

For example: I've created a test list called: tamara at aishlist.com when I send an email to this list(from: tyoggev at 013.net.il). this is what I see in my maillog:
--------------------------------
Apr 11 10:05:45 aishlist postfix/qmgr[3736]: DB9BD64C67E: from=<tyoggev at 013.net>, size=1609, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

Apr 11 10:05:45 aishlist postfix/local[3824]: DB9BD64C67E: to=<tamara at aishlist.com>, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post tamara)

Apr 11 10:05:45 aishlist postfix/qmgr[3736]: DB9BD64C67E: removed

---------------------------------
Everything seems fine! except the message doesn't get posted to all the list members! same goes for when I create a new list,
I don't get the list creator notification email.

Here is my postfix info:

[root at aishlist root]# postconf -n
alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
command_directory = /usr/sbin
config_directory = /etc/postfix
daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix
debug_peer_level = 2
html_directory = /html
inet_interfaces = all
mail_owner = postfix
mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq
manpage_directory = /usr/local/man
mydestination = $myhostname, mail.$mydomain, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, localhost.secureserver.net
mydomain = aishlist.com
myhostname = aishlist.com
mynetworks_style = class
myorigin = $myhostname
newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases
owner_request_special = no
queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix
readme_directory = /etc/postfix/docs
recipient_delimiter = +
relayhost = mail.aishlist.com
sample_directory = /etc/postfix
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail
setgid_group = postdrop
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550
[root at aishlist root]#

All comments appreciated!

Thanks,
Tamara


From mlehman at lehmandesign.ca  Tue Apr 12 22:07:12 2005
From: mlehman at lehmandesign.ca (Michael Lehman)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:07:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Your message to Mailman awaits moderator approval
Message-ID: <425C2A70.1080602@lehmandesign.ca>

I've set up Mailman version 2.1.5-32 on Fedora Core 3.  I'm using Python 
version 2.3.4-13.  I'm currently setting up a list entitled golf.  All 
users (3) are local during the testing phase.

Problem:

I'm able to add users OK.  They get confirmation emails "Welcome to the 
"Golf" mailing list", following the confirmation email sent to them. 

But, when they try to post a message, they get "Your message to Mailman 
awaits moderator approval" because either it's a "Post by non-member to 
a members-only list" or "Message has implicit destination".

None of the users can send messages out on the list, although the 
administrator page shows my members added with all moderator flags off.  
All messages are returned, and the list administrator gets the "Mailman 
post from user at domain.com requires approval" message for each try.

I've check the error and subscribe logs and they are clean.  I ran:

[root at plantroom bin]# ./check_perms
No problems found

Can anyone help?



From etierra at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 23:51:05 2005
From: etierra at gmail.com (Tierra)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:51:05 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and ssl fun
In-Reply-To: <425ACD0B.7000701@grove.circa.ufl.edu>
References: <425ACD0B.7000701@grove.circa.ufl.edu>
Message-ID: <c7ef32a705041214513e9fb296@mail.gmail.com>

On Apr 11, 2005 1:16 PM, Mauricio Tavares <raub at grove.ufl.edu> wrote:
>          mailman and ssl fun: Since I only have one webserver without
> extra IPs for the different sites, I want to setup my mailman virtual
> host so it goes to mailman.kushana.com:10445 (through ssl). So, I get
> soemthing like this:
> 
> <VirtualHost mailman.kushana.com:10445>
>       DocumentRoot "/export/bin/mailman"
>       ServerName mailman.kushana.com
>       ScriptAlias /mail/    "/export/bin/mailman/cgi-bin/"
>       ScriptAlias /mailman/    "/export/bin/mailman/cgi-bin/"
>       Alias /pipermail/ /export/bin/mailman/archives/public/
>       CustomLog /usr/local/apache/logs/access.mailman combined
>       ErrorLog /usr/local/apache/logs/errors.mailman
> 
> SSLEngine               on
> 
> SSLCertificateFile /usr/local/apache/conf/ssl.crt/server.crt
> SSLCertificateKeyFile /usr/local/apache/conf/ssl.key/server.key
> </VirtualHost>
> 
> After restarting apache, I set my browser to
> 
> https://mailman.kushana.com:10445/mailman/admin/test-mailinglist/bounce
> 
> I get the authentication page without a problem.  But, once I enter the
> password and click on the login button, I am pointed to the url
> 
> https://mailman/admin/test-mailinglist/bounce
> 
> on port 443. What am I doing wrong here?

Double check you have these variables set in your mm_cfg.py:
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mailman.kushana.com:10445'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'

There's still some minor issues though with SSL I think since I have
mine all set, and for the most part, it works, but there's still a few
miscellaneous links that don't link to the SSL side of my server
(using version 2.1.5). One major area that's lacking is that the login
forms don't POST using SSL, I think a number of the generated URLs are
lacking some of the settings.

Bryan Petty


From twillie304 at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 12 16:21:42 2005
From: twillie304 at earthlink.net (Tom Williams)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:21:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] membership list
Message-ID: <20050412145320.156E41E4006@bag.python.org>

I want to print out the email addresses of our membership, but can't find an
easy way to do it.

 

Can you help me?

 

My list is pathfinder at budgetdirect.us.

 

Tom Williams

Budget Direct Mail, Inc.

317-780-8236 Office

317-780-8246 Fax

317-752-3874 Cell phone

 



From psolomon at adelphia.net  Wed Apr 13 10:00:55 2005
From: psolomon at adelphia.net (Peter A. Solomon)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 04:00:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] membership list
In-Reply-To: <20050412145320.156E41E4006@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <000c01c53ffe$ecb783a0$800101df@Delray>

List_Members [listname]

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+psolomon=adelphia.net at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+psolomon=adelphia.net at python.org] On Behalf Of
Tom Williams
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:22 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] membership list

I want to print out the email addresses of our membership, but can't find an
easy way to do it.

 

Can you help me?

 

My list is pathfinder at budgetdirect.us.

 

Tom Williams

Budget Direct Mail, Inc.

317-780-8236 Office

317-780-8246 Fax

317-752-3874 Cell phone

 

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From kabads at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 10:41:02 2005
From: kabads at gmail.com (Adam Cripps)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:41:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export a list of subscribers
Message-ID: <c7ff3855050413014156143e3d@mail.gmail.com>

I'm increasingly being asked if I can produce lists of users for people who 
are not list admins (this is a corporate setup). Whereabouts will I find the 
email addresses in the directory structure? Will these be pickled in an 
object or list? 

Does a script exist to pull all the subscribed email addresses out in a text 
file? I have some python knowledge and so could write a sciprt, if I'm 
pointed in the right direction. 

Thanks
Adam

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PGP key: 0x7111B833


From sythos at sythos.net  Wed Apr 13 10:45:51 2005
From: sythos at sythos.net (Sythos)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:45:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export a list of subscribers
In-Reply-To: <c7ff3855050413014156143e3d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c7ff3855050413014156143e3d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050413084551.GA10206@sythos.net>

On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 09:41:02AM +0100, Adam Cripps wrote:
> I'm increasingly being asked if I can produce lists of users for people who 
> are not list admins (this is a corporate setup). Whereabouts will I find the 
> email addresses in the directory structure? Will these be pickled in an 
> object or list? 
> Does a script exist to pull all the subscribed email addresses out in a text 
> file? I have some python knowledge and so could write a sciprt, if I'm 
> pointed in the right direction. 

list_list
obtain all mailinglist configured on machine

list_admin namelist
you get the admin of list named "namelist"
 
list_members namelist
you get raw list of all subscribed member (no distinction between normal
email, digest, suspended)

ergo

list_members namelist > myfile.members
solve your question ^_^

Regards
	Sythos

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From jwt at onjapan.net  Wed Apr 13 10:46:44 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:46:44 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no outgoing mail with postfix
In-Reply-To: <011f01c53ebf$bc7afea0$e2b94055@aish8yaygqb4pb>
References: <011f01c53ebf$bc7afea0$e2b94055@aish8yaygqb4pb>
Message-ID: <d2b14c5e89b8ab51b4ac2b6553c8e4a3@onjapan.net>

On Apr 12, 2005, at 02:55, Tamara Yoggev wrote:
> relay host, I can accept emails, but I can't seem to send any emails, 
> but I get NO error in the log file. so I am totally clueless as to 
> what the problem is.

Meaning there is no error in either your Postfix logs or your Mailman 
logs?

Did you try check the troubleshooting points suggested by the FAQ?
   <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp>

> Everything seems fine! except the message doesn't get posted to all 
> the list members!

Are the messages collecting in the Mailman qfiles/in (did you remember 
to start mailman?) or qfiles/shunt (check Mailman's error log again)?

-- 
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Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman



From jwt at onjapan.net  Wed Apr 13 10:54:37 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:54:37 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Your message to Mailman awaits moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <425C2A70.1080602@lehmandesign.ca>
References: <425C2A70.1080602@lehmandesign.ca>
Message-ID: <dab26cf3faeaa4942b06841831a1ed46@onjapan.net>

On Apr 13, 2005, at 05:07, Michael Lehman wrote:

> But, when they try to post a message, they get "Your message to 
> Mailman awaits moderator approval" because either it's a "Post by 
> non-member to a members-only list" or "Message has implicit 
> destination".

Have you configured your list to watch the envelope of the post rather 
than the From: header?  (By setting USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER or changing the 
value of SENDER_HEADERS in your mm_cfg.py?)

As for the second, are you sure the list name is in the To: or cc: 
headers of your posting?  (It sounds like a different problem.)  Or do 
you have broken alias files sending postings for one list to the wrong 
list?


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From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Apr 13 10:52:53 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:52:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export a list of subscribers
In-Reply-To: <c7ff3855050413014156143e3d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c7ff3855050413014156143e3d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0620070cbe828df42717@[10.0.1.3]>

At 9:41 AM +0100 2005-04-13, Adam Cripps wrote:

>  Does a script exist to pull all the subscribed email addresses out in a text
>  file? I have some python knowledge and so could write a sciprt, if I'm
>  pointed in the right direction.

	Use $MAILMANHOME/bin/list_members list_name

	For all the predefined scripts for Mailman, see 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp>.

-- 
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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

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From jwt at onjapan.net  Wed Apr 13 11:02:44 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:02:44 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] membership list
In-Reply-To: <20050412145320.156E41E4006@bag.python.org>
References: <20050412145320.156E41E4006@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <5c70a0553ad248a5146f7714aa5b53b8@onjapan.net>

On Apr 12, 2005, at 23:21, Tom Williams wrote:

> I want to print out the email addresses of our membership, but can't 
> find an
> easy way to do it.

If you have shell access on the server, running the 
~mailman/bin/list_members script (with the name of the list as the 
argument) is the best way.
   <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp>

An alternative is to script the web interface as suggested by the 
example at:
   <http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#throughtheweb>

You might be able to mail the 'who' command to your 'listname'-request 
address, but depending on your subscriber configuration, this may not 
return the complete list.

-- 
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From robshep at informatics.bangor.ac.uk  Wed Apr 13 13:21:45 2005
From: robshep at informatics.bangor.ac.uk (Rob Shepherd)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:21:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two subscription requests
Message-ID: <425D00C9.4090001@informatics.bangor.ac.uk>

I built and installed mailman stable 2.1.5
installed with postfix (I can't locate version, but it's recent)

list creation works and also with a virtual domain.

However, when I try and subscribe an address, two confirmation requests come 
through. they have different hashes and my mail log shows two different emails
(so it's definatly mailman doing something twice)
They are both confirmation requests for the same list and are identical apart 
from hash and message-id in the header

message-ids taken from mail log are as follows.

mailman.2.1113351781.27710.announce at example.com

followed 1 second later by

mailman.3.1113351781.27710.announce at example.com

Can any anybody work out what I broke or is broken.

Many thnaks

Rob

-- 
/**
  *	Rob Shepherd,
  *	University Of Wales, Bangor,
  *	School of Informatics,
  *	Dean Street,
  *	Bangor,
  *	Gwynedd, UK     /\  /\
  *	LL57 1UT       /  \/  \ /\
  *	--------------/---/    \--\----
  */

From tony at tonybibbs.com  Wed Apr 13 15:40:50 2005
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:40:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating lists to new server...
Message-ID: <425D2162.9060608@tonybibbs.com>

I'm trying to successfully migrate all lists and associated accounts 
over to a new server.  I copied everythign in the /lists and /data 
directories.  This seemed to produce the lists just fine but none of the 
addresses tied to each list came with them.  Thoughts?

--Tony


From robshep at informatics.bangor.ac.uk  Wed Apr 13 16:08:11 2005
From: robshep at informatics.bangor.ac.uk (Rob Shepherd)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:08:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two subscription requests
In-Reply-To: <aa6b7f3447045e1e8f72e796d970e6c0@onjapan.net>
References: <425D00C9.4090001@informatics.bangor.ac.uk>
	<aa6b7f3447045e1e8f72e796d970e6c0@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <425D27CB.4020605@informatics.bangor.ac.uk>

Jim Tittsler wrote:
> On Apr 13, 2005, at 20:21, Rob Shepherd wrote:
> 
>> However, when I try and subscribe an address, two confirmation 
>> requests come through. they have different hashes and my mail log 
>> shows two different emails
>> (so it's definatly mailman doing something twice)
> 
> 
> Do you get two confirmation mails if you subscribe from the web interface?
> 
> (If it is only when trying to subscribe via email, I'd look for 
> broken/superfluous aliases.)
> 

OK then first off I apologise, I was sending "subscribe" to announce-request and 
not announce-join. Now it sends only with the correct address.

However if I follow the link to confirm and then hit "cancel my subscription 
request"

I get a "we're sorry, we've hit a bug" page.

Who do I send this to? I don't want to post it verbatim here, because it 
contains my system information.

Can I send it to a Human?

Thanks

Rob

-- 
/**
  *	Rob Shepherd,
  *	University Of Wales, Bangor,
  *	School of Informatics,
  *	Dean Street,
  *	Bangor,
  *	Gwynedd, UK     /\  /\
  *	LL57 1UT       /  \/  \ /\
  *	--------------/---/    \--\----
  */

From jwt at onjapan.net  Wed Apr 13 17:13:49 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 00:13:49 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two subscription requests
In-Reply-To: <425D27CB.4020605@informatics.bangor.ac.uk>
References: <425D00C9.4090001@informatics.bangor.ac.uk>
	<aa6b7f3447045e1e8f72e796d970e6c0@onjapan.net>
	<425D27CB.4020605@informatics.bangor.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <c4c1cc6070f50fade83b7d1db0d7d4a4@onjapan.net>

On Apr 13, 2005, at 23:08, Rob Shepherd wrote:

> Jim Tittsler wrote:
>> On Apr 13, 2005, at 20:21, Rob Shepherd wrote:
>>> However, when I try and subscribe an address, two confirmation  
>>> requests come through. they have different hashes and my mail log  
>>> shows two different emails
>>> (so it's definatly mailman doing something twice)
>> Do you get two confirmation mails if you subscribe from the web  
>> interface?
>> (If it is only when trying to subscribe via email, I'd look for  
>> broken/superfluous aliases.)
>
> OK then first off I apologise, I was sending "subscribe" to  
> announce-request and not announce-join. Now it sends only with the  
> correct address.

I think there is something else going on, because the -request address  
should work.  I'd suggest double checking your aliases.   
(~mailman/bin/genaliases can generate the proper list for you.)

> However if I follow the link to confirm and then hit "cancel my  
> subscription request"
>
> I get a "we're sorry, we've hit a bug" page.

That is a known bug in Mailman 2.1.5.  A patch is available:
    
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? 
func=detail&aid=1045909&group_id=103&atid=300103>
or you can upgrade to the Mailman 2.1.6beta version where it has  
already been fixed.

-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Apr 13 18:09:14 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:09:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Debugging Steps
In-Reply-To: <425AA10B.4090505@nclack.k12.or.us>
Message-ID: <PC174520050413090914048447b6b012@msapiro>

Robert Haack wrote:

>Just to give you an overview of the problem so this might make 
>more sense.  I had a user send a message to one of our lists list Friday 
>at 9:31 AM.  I never saw the message until this morning and the message 
>show the correct time the user sent the message but the Mailman log 
>shows that it went out yesterday at about 8:00 PM which is about the 
>time I rebooted my server.  So if I had some steps to help me figure out 
>where to look I'm sure I could figure out what is causing this problem.

First you need to look at the Received: headers in the message you
finally received. Thest will indicate in what step the delay occurred,
but won't necessarily pinpoint the problem.

If Mailman's log (post? smtp?) said it didn't go out until Sunday at
8:00 p.m. that would rule out the outgoing MTA as the source of delay.
It could have been delayed in delivery from the poster to your server,
in delivery from your incoming MTA to Mailman or in Mailman itself.
The MTA logs may have info regarding the first two steps. If the delay
was in Mailman, it's possible one or more qrunners stopped and the
reboot started them again. Check Mailman's qrunner log.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From robshep at informatics.bangor.ac.uk  Wed Apr 13 19:32:36 2005
From: robshep at informatics.bangor.ac.uk (Rob Shepherd)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:32:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two subscription requests
In-Reply-To: <c4c1cc6070f50fade83b7d1db0d7d4a4@onjapan.net>
References: <425D00C9.4090001@informatics.bangor.ac.uk>
	<aa6b7f3447045e1e8f72e796d970e6c0@onjapan.net>
	<425D27CB.4020605@informatics.bangor.ac.uk>
	<c4c1cc6070f50fade83b7d1db0d7d4a4@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <425D57B4.1080001@informatics.bangor.ac.uk>

Jim Tittsler wrote:
> On Apr 13, 2005, at 23:08, Rob Shepherd wrote:
> 
>> Jim Tittsler wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2005, at 20:21, Rob Shepherd wrote:
>>>
>>>> However, when I try and subscribe an address, two confirmation  
>>>> requests come through. they have different hashes and my mail log  
>>>> shows two different emails
>>>> (so it's definatly mailman doing something twice)
>>>
>>> Do you get two confirmation mails if you subscribe from the web  
>>> interface?
>>> (If it is only when trying to subscribe via email, I'd look for  
>>> broken/superfluous aliases.)
>>
>>
>> OK then first off I apologise, I was sending "subscribe" to  
>> announce-request and not announce-join. Now it sends only with the  
>> correct address.
> 
> 
> I think there is something else going on, because the -request address  
> should work.  I'd suggest double checking your aliases.   
> (~mailman/bin/genaliases can generate the proper list for you.)
> 

Thanks very much for your assistance Jim, much appreciated.

genaliases produces the same files as before.

This problem happens if I send to a virtual list (normal postfix virtual mail
works fine) or if I send to a non virtual alias.

  From postfix's logs I see in both occurences postfix expands the alisases
properly and delivers to command just the once.

NOTE: if I post subscribe to -subscribe or -join it works fine ( just the one post )
However if I post subscribe to -request it send to different confirmation emails.


I remembered the "owner-request-special" conf for postfix and checked that; it
says "no", as it should.

I am under the impression that if it "should" work but doesn't then there may be
other gremlins waiting to act but maybe not identify themselves in such an
obvious manner next time.....

before I try and trace the problem would you recommend I may as well upgrade.

How "beta" is 2.1.6beta? Any reports of using it in a production environment?

Will it be easy to upgrade to stable once it is released?

Many thanks.

Rob

-- 
/**
   *	Rob Shepherd,
   *	University Of Wales, Bangor,
   *	School of Informatics,
   *	Dean Street,
   *	Bangor,
   *	Gwynedd, UK     /\  /\
   *	LL57 1UT       /  \/  \ /\
   *	--------------/---/    \--\----
   */

From jmooers at landmannassoc.com  Thu Apr 14 01:22:26 2005
From: jmooers at landmannassoc.com (Jess Mooers)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:22:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Not Sending
Message-ID: <r02010400-1038-E6323380AC7211D9848D000A95845562@[192.168.0.4]>

I am having a strange problem with Mailman 2.1.5, Mac OS X Server 10.3, Postfix.

First, Postfix is sending mail from our php forms, so I know that it is working.  I can send a message to the list, with no bounce backs.  Here is the mail log that shows the email being sent. 

Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/smtpd[15537]: connect from smtp.landmanninteractive.com[66.170.10.201]
Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/smtpd[15537]: DDCE9298A97C: client=smtp.landmanninteractive.com[66.170.10.201]
Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/cleanup[15538]: DDCE9298A97C: message-id=<r02010400-1038-185850C1AC6711D9AB96000A95845562@[66.170.10.196]>
Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/qmgr[14677]: DDCE9298A97C: from=<jmooers at landmanninteractive.com>, size=1149, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/smtpd[15537]: disconnect from smtp.landmanninteractive.com[66.170.10.201]
Apr 13 16:57:14 xserve1 postfix/local[15540]: DDCE9298A97C: to=<li_customers at xserve1.landmannassoc.com>, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman post li_customers")

The problem is that the message never sends from mailman.  Any help in troubleshooting would be great.

Regards,
Jess Mooers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
Landmann InterActive
1423 S. Park St., Madison, WI 53715
W 608-257-1558 F 608-257-8705
www.landmanninteractive.com


From cmefford at eruditium.org  Thu Apr 14 02:48:44 2005
From: cmefford at eruditium.org (Chip Mefford)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:48:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] In it possible to have Accept ticked by default?
In-Reply-To: <PC1745200504062031140750dd08b9dc@msapiro>
References: <PC1745200504062031140750dd08b9dc@msapiro>
Message-ID: <425DBDEC.9000300@eruditium.org>

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Mark Sapiro wrote:
| Rodger Copp wrote:
|
|
|>Excuse me for asking something that may be obvious or has been asked
|>before. I searched the FAQ and archives and didn't find anything
|>related. I am not the administrator for our installation of Mailman, I'm
|>just a suit that has a question/suggestion.
|>
|>Is it possible to have the Accept selection ticked by default instead
|>of Defer for Mailman's Moderator Administration page? If it's not
|>possible, perhaps you can put it on your "To Do" list.
|
|
| I don't think you'd want this. If it worked this way, and you happened
| not to explicitly review and set each message before 'submitting all
| data' (say you didn't happen to scroll all the way down), then
| messages you hadn't seen would be approved.

You can do it in the code. I've done similar things to change
default behavior.

However, it does beg the question, why not just set
the default non-member action to accept, if that's
going to be the default action anyway? Then you can hand-add abusers
to blacklists elsewhere.






|
| Approving a message you haven't reviewed is a potentially more serious
| problem than forgetting to tick the approved box and having to do it a
| second time.
|
| That said, feature requests can be submitted at
| http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=350103
|
| --
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| San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
|
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From heather at madrone.com  Thu Apr 14 03:14:52 2005
From: heather at madrone.com (Heather Madrone)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:14:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] encoding errors
In-Reply-To: <r02010400-1038-E6323380AC7211D9848D000A95845562@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <r02010400-1038-E6323380AC7211D9848D000A95845562@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <p0621027fbe8373e26062@[192.168.123.100]>

Does anyone know why there are so many encoding errors with posts to this
list?  

-- 
Heather Madrone  (heather at madrone.com)  http://www.madrone.com

A rolling stone gathers no mass.


From paul at pauljansen.nl  Thu Apr 14 03:09:41 2005
From: paul at pauljansen.nl (paul at pauljansen.nl)
Date: 14 Apr 2005 01:09:41 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 14, Issue 21
Message-ID: <20050414010941.5213.qmail@server55.hostnetbv.nl>

Vanaf 16 april ben ik weg voor een paar maanden. In die tijd kan ik misschien af en toe mijn E-mail lezen en beantwoorden, zeker is dat niet. Verwacht dus geen antwoord voor midden juni.
groeten,
Paul

>From april 16th I will be out for some month's. So, don't count on an answer on your E-mail before mid-june.
regards,
Paul 




From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Apr 14 03:20:57 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 03:20:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] encoding errors
In-Reply-To: <p0621027fbe8373e26062@[192.168.123.100]>
References: <r02010400-1038-E6323380AC7211D9848D000A95845562@[192.168.0.4]>
	<p0621027fbe8373e26062@[192.168.123.100]>
Message-ID: <p06200706be8375eaa634@[10.0.1.3]>

At 6:14 PM -0700 2005-04-13, Heather Madrone wrote:

>  Does anyone know why there are so many encoding errors with posts to this
>  list?

	Encoding errors?  What do you mean?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

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From mojo at whiteoaks.com  Thu Apr 14 03:21:21 2005
From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:21:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Not Sending
In-Reply-To: <r02010400-1038-E6323380AC7211D9848D000A95845562@[192.168.0.4]>
References: <r02010400-1038-E6323380AC7211D9848D000A95845562@[192.168.0.4]>
Message-ID: <425DC591.20708@whiteoaks.com>

Jess Mooers wrote:
> The problem is that the message never sends from mailman.  Any help in troubleshooting would be great.

I've had the same problem twice in the past month with Mailman 2.1.5. 
The qrunner was wedged, and a restart freed up the logjam.

I haven't seen anyone claim to know what might be going on yet.  Let me 
know if the same thing works for you.

Mojo
-- 
Morris Jones
Monrovia, CA
http://www.whiteoaks.com
Old Town Astronomers: http://www.otastro.org


From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com  Thu Apr 14 04:03:35 2005
From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:03:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] encoding errors
In-Reply-To: <p06200706be8375eaa634@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <BE8339A7.950F%lstone19@stonejongleux.com>

On 4/13/05 8:20 PM, Brad Knowles at brad at stop.mail-abuse.org wrote:

> At 6:14 PM -0700 2005-04-13, Heather Madrone wrote:
> 
>>  Does anyone know why there are so many encoding errors with posts to this
>>  list?
> 
> Encoding errors?  What do you mean?

I think she means this:
[Error: Formatting error: Non-hexadecimal character in QP encoding]
which I see in many list messages when logged into the shell on my computer
and reading with pine (pine 4.58 running on MacOS X 10.3.8; for
completeness, the MTA is whatever version of postfix came with Mac OS X
10.3). I saw it in a message tonight:

Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:22:26 -0500
From: Jess Mooers <jmooers at landmannassoc.com>
To: Mailman Users List <mailman-users at python.org>
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Not Sending
...
W 608-257-1558 F 608-257-8705
www.landmanninteractive.com
------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.pyth
   [Error: Formatting error: Non-hexadecimal character in QP encoding]

Note in this case, it displayed into the mailman-users footer although I've
seen it much earlier in a message. I see this frequently (a few times a
week) and always and only in mailman-users messages. I hexdumped my mail box
and saw nothing interesting but have included the section that includes that
where pine complained below. Maybe someone else can see something of
interest there.

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-- Larry Stone
   larry at stonejongleux.com
   http://www.stonejongleux.com/
   




From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Apr 14 04:54:09 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:54:09 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating lists to new server...
In-Reply-To: <425D2162.9060608@tonybibbs.com>
References: <425D2162.9060608@tonybibbs.com>
Message-ID: <14eb3236448fc487ce61e25506c2cead@onjapan.net>

On Apr 13, 2005, at 22:40, Tony Bibbs wrote:

> I'm trying to successfully migrate all lists and associated accounts 
> over to a new server.  I copied everythign in the /lists and /data 
> directories.  This seemed to produce the lists just fine but none of 
> the addresses tied to each list came with them.  Thoughts?

(You will probably also want to copy the archives and mm_cfg.py 
customizations.)

If you copied the contents of the lists directory, that contains all of 
the subscriber addresses.

If you mean the addresses to reach the mailing lists, you will also 
need to copy or recreate all of the aliases that pipe mail into mailman 
(unless you use an MTA scheme that automatically detects the lists, 
which is most common for Exim users).  the bin/genaliases command can 
(re)build the complete list of aliases for your lists.  (If you are 
using Postfix, you will also want to tell it where to find the aliases 
in the data directory... details are in README.POSTFIX.)

-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman



From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Apr 14 05:02:39 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:02:39 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two subscription requests
In-Reply-To: <425D57B4.1080001@informatics.bangor.ac.uk>
References: <425D00C9.4090001@informatics.bangor.ac.uk>
	<aa6b7f3447045e1e8f72e796d970e6c0@onjapan.net>
	<425D27CB.4020605@informatics.bangor.ac.uk>
	<c4c1cc6070f50fade83b7d1db0d7d4a4@onjapan.net>
	<425D57B4.1080001@informatics.bangor.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <5fa217dd61c88f562be9a75f373aa1c2@onjapan.net>

On Apr 14, 2005, at 02:32, Rob Shepherd wrote:

> before I try and trace the problem would you recommend I may as well 
> upgrade.
>
> How "beta" is 2.1.6beta? Any reports of using it in a production 
> environment?

It fixes some of the known problems with 2.1.5, and adds only a few new 
features.  I think it is an improvement, but there haven't been a *lot* 
of reports of people successfully using it showing up on the mailing 
list... but no howls of pain either.

I can't imagine that it will change the problem you are seeing however.

> Will it be easy to upgrade to stable once it is released?

Yes.  The usual configure, make, make install dance should work.

-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman



From crammos at edu.teiath.gr  Thu Apr 14 07:42:52 2005
From: crammos at edu.teiath.gr (=?ISO-8859-7?Q?=D7=F1=DE=F3=F4=EF=F2_=D1=DC=EC=EC=EF=F2?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:42:52 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Replication
Message-ID: <425E02DC.6000607@edu.teiath.gr>

Hello to all,
I was wondering if Mailman can be replicated into 2 (or more ) server.
For example if the one goes down the other can run with the same 
data(lists,archives, etc).

Any ideas?
Thanks in Advance

Christos Rammos



From jmooers at landmanninteractive.com  Thu Apr 14 00:11:33 2005
From: jmooers at landmanninteractive.com (Jess Mooers)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:11:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Not Sending
Message-ID: <r02010400-1038-FF4908CFAC6811D9AB96000A95845562@[66.170.10.196]>

I am having a strange problem with Mailman 2.1.5, Mac OS X Server 10.3, Postfix.

First, Postfix is sending mail from our php forms, so I know that it is working.  I can send a message to the list, with no bounce backs.  Here is the mail log that shows the email being sent. 

Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/smtpd[15537]: connect from smtp.landmanninteractive.com[66.170.10.201]
Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/smtpd[15537]: DDCE9298A97C: client=smtp.landmanninteractive.com[66.170.10.201]
Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/cleanup[15538]: DDCE9298A97C: message-id=<r02010400-1038-185850C1AC6711D9AB96000A95845562@[66.170.10.196]>
Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/qmgr[14677]: DDCE9298A97C: from=<jmooers at landmanninteractive.com>, size=1149, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/smtpd[15537]: disconnect from smtp.landmanninteractive.com[66.170.10.201]
Apr 13 16:57:14 xserve1 postfix/local[15540]: DDCE9298A97C: to=<li_customers at xserve1.landmannassoc.com>, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman post li_customers")

The problem is that the message never sends from mailman.  Any help in troubleshooting would be great.

Regards,
Jess Mooers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
Landmann InterActive
1423 S. Park St., Madison, WI 53715
W 608-257-1558 F 608-257-8705
www.landmanninteractive.com


From tyoggev at 013.net  Thu Apr 14 09:09:38 2005
From: tyoggev at 013.net (Tamara Yoggev)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:09:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no outgoing mail with postfix
References: <011f01c53ebf$bc7afea0$e2b94055@aish8yaygqb4pb>
	<d2b14c5e89b8ab51b4ac2b6553c8e4a3@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <002201c540c0$ebf026d0$310aa8c0@aish2.local>

Thanks a lot for your reply.

After going through the FAQ,
I performed the following steps and the problem was solved:

1) started the qrunner. (A bit embarrassing, don't know how it was stopped)
2) In mm_cfg.py, added SMTPHOST=<my ip address>
3) In /etc/nsswitch.conf switched:
    hosts: files nis 
   to:
   hosts: dns files nis

and that solved all my problems.

Thanks again,
Tamara
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Tittsler" <jwt at onjapan.net>
To: "Tamara Yoggev" <tyoggev at 013.net>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] no outgoing mail with postfix


> On Apr 12, 2005, at 02:55, Tamara Yoggev wrote:
>> relay host, I can accept emails, but I can't seem to send any emails, 
>> but I get NO error in the log file. so I am totally clueless as to 
>> what the problem is.
> 
> Meaning there is no error in either your Postfix logs or your Mailman 
> logs?
> 
> Did you try check the troubleshooting points suggested by the FAQ?
>   <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp>
> 
>> Everything seems fine! except the message doesn't get posted to all 
>> the list members!
> 
> Are the messages collecting in the Mailman qfiles/in (did you remember 
> to start mailman?) or qfiles/shunt (check Mailman's error log again)?
> 
> -- 
> Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
> Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
> Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman
>


From sean at sweetbourbon.com  Thu Apr 14 13:17:24 2005
From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:17:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OSError
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504140705130.66542@seyyav.pair.com>


Hi,

I started seeing this on one of my mailman servers:

Apr 13 12:02:48 2005 qrunner(62314): Traceback (most recent call last):
Apr 13 12:02:48 2005 qrunner(62314):   File "/usr/mailman/bin/qrunner",
line 270, in ?
Apr 13 12:02:48 2005 qrunner(62314):   File "/usr/mailman/bin/qrunner",
line 230, in main
Apr 13 12:02:48 2005 qrunner(62314):      qrunner.run()
Apr 13 12:02:48 2005 qrunner(62314):   File
"/usr/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 70, in run
Apr 13 12:02:48 2005 qrunner(62314):      filecnt = self._oneloop()
Apr 13 12:02:48 2005 qrunner(62314):   File
"/usr/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 94, in _oneloop
Apr 13 12:02:48 2005 qrunner(62314):      files =
self._switchboard.files()
Apr 13 12:02:48 2005 qrunner(62314):   File
"/usr/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 158, in files
Apr 13 12:02:48 2005 qrunner(62314):      for f in
os.listdir(self.__whichq):
Apr 13 12:02:48 2005 qrunner(62314): OSError :  [Errno 23] Too many open
files in system: '/usr/mailman/qfiles/out'

This is on a FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE box with mailman 2.1.5.  When I ran pstat
-T the number for files open was around 5000 and the default limit on the
server is 8232.   So its not hitting that limit.   Any ideas why
Switchboard.py is complaining about this?

It causes the OutgoingRunner to die off.  I've got a similar setup on a
separate FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE box but never get this error there.  The only
difference is that there are 2 slices of OutgoingRunner on the box giving
the error.

Thanks for any input,
Sean



From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com  Thu Apr 14 14:03:04 2005
From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:03:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Not Sending
In-Reply-To: <r02010400-1038-FF4908CFAC6811D9AB96000A95845562@[66.170.10.196]>
Message-ID: <BE83C628.953D%lstone19@stonejongleux.com>

On 4/13/05 5:11 PM, Jess Mooers at jmooers at landmanninteractive.com wrote:

> I am having a strange problem with Mailman 2.1.5, Mac OS X Server 10.3,
> Postfix.
> 
> First, Postfix is sending mail from our php forms, so I know that it is
> working.  I can send a message to the list, with no bounce backs.  Here is the
> mail log that shows the email being sent.
> 
> Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/smtpd[15537]: connect from
> smtp.landmanninteractive.com[66.170.10.201]
> Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/smtpd[15537]: DDCE9298A97C:
> client=smtp.landmanninteractive.com[66.170.10.201]
> Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/cleanup[15538]: DDCE9298A97C:
> message-id=<r02010400-1038-185850C1AC6711D9AB96000A95845562@[66.170.10.196]>
> Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/qmgr[14677]: DDCE9298A97C:
> from=<jmooers at landmanninteractive.com>, size=1149, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
> Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/smtpd[15537]: disconnect from
> smtp.landmanninteractive.com[66.170.10.201]
> Apr 13 16:57:14 xserve1 postfix/local[15540]: DDCE9298A97C:
> to=<li_customers at xserve1.landmannassoc.com>, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent
> ("|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman post li_customers")
> 
> The problem is that the message never sends from mailman.  Any help in
> troubleshooting would be great.

All that log excerpt shows is the mail was delivered to mailman. You need to
take a look at mailman's logs (in (prefix)/mailman/logs) to see what is
going on within mailman.

But let's not pass up the obvious: you did start mailman, right?

-- Larry Stone
   larry at stonejongleux.com
   http://www.stonejongleux.com/
   




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Thu Apr 14 15:08:30 2005
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:08:30 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6 release candidate up
Message-ID: <425E6B4E.4080902@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi all,

Now we are on the last stage before the final release of 2.1.6.
After the release of 2.1.6b5, we've got translation updates from the 
language champions including Leona for zh_CN (Chinese, China).
Hopefully, I will be able to release the 2.1.6 final within a week.

Cheers,
-- 
Tokio Kikuchi tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Thu Apr 14 15:16:13 2005
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:16:13 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6 release candidate up
Message-ID: <425E6D1D.5030001@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Sorry that I forget to add the download pointer;

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103
or
http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.6rc1.tgz


Hi all,

Now we are on the last stage before the final release of 2.1.6.
After the release of 2.1.6b5, we've got translation updates from the
language champions including Leona for zh_CN (Chinese, China).
Hopefully, I will be able to release the 2.1.6 final within a week.

Cheers,
-- 
Tokio Kikuchi tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From paul.williams at uwex.edu  Thu Apr 14 16:13:11 2005
From: paul.williams at uwex.edu (Paul Williams)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:13:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 14, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <20050414100157.A57191E4016@bag.python.org>
References: <20050414100157.A57191E4016@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050414090316.0206a4a0@imap.uwex.edu>

Just last week I did a move all my mailmna lists
to a totally new server, I moved  where mailman was installed
and had a new version of Mailman.

I needed to run

   bin/withlist -l -r fix_url -a

as described in 3.4 in the Mailman FAQ
and then I encountered the apparently known problem described in 3.38
in the Mailman FAQ, ie.

After upgrading mailman it gives out erroneous moderation messages, eg
"Subject: -1 LISTNAME moderator request(s) waiting
This fixes itself when you go to the link.

There is a description how to fix the problem other than going to the link,
but to be honest, the description was not written in a way that I could
understand to fix the problem.  I understood how to use the python fix for
one list but I have about 400+ lists and I didn't want to run it by hand on
all 400+ lists.  So I just told owners to click on the link and it
should fix it for them.

paulw



>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>From: Jim Tittsler <jwt at onjapan.net>
>Precedence: list
>MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2)
>Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>To: Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com>
>References: <425D2162.9060608 at tonybibbs.com>
>In-Reply-To: <425D2162.9060608 at tonybibbs.com>
>Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:54:09 +0900
>Message-ID: <14eb3236448fc487ce61e25506c2cead at onjapan.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Migrating lists to new server...
>Message: 5
>
>On Apr 13, 2005, at 22:40, Tony Bibbs wrote:
>
>>I'm trying to successfully migrate all lists and associated accounts over 
>>to a new server.  I copied everythign in the /lists and /data 
>>directories.  This seemed to produce the lists just fine but none of the 
>>addresses tied to each list came with them.  Thoughts?
>
>(You will probably also want to copy the archives and mm_cfg.py 
>customizations.)
>
>If you copied the contents of the lists directory, that contains all of 
>the subscriber addresses.
>
>If you mean the addresses to reach the mailing lists, you will also need 
>to copy or recreate all of the aliases that pipe mail into mailman (unless 
>you use an MTA scheme that automatically detects the lists, which is most 
>common for Exim users).  the bin/genaliases command can (re)build the 
>complete list of aliases for your lists.  (If you are using Postfix, you 
>will also want to tell it where to find the aliases in the data 
>directory... details are in README.POSTFIX.)
>
>--
>Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
>Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
>Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Thu Apr 14 16:48:55 2005
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:48:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating lists to new server...
In-Reply-To: <14eb3236448fc487ce61e25506c2cead@onjapan.net>
References: <425D2162.9060608@tonybibbs.com>
	<14eb3236448fc487ce61e25506c2cead@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <425E82D7.1000801@tonybibbs.com>

Well, I had already created the aliases. The problem is the addresses 
really didn't come with them.  What file(s) are the addresses kept in so 
I can verify this?

--Tony

Jim Tittsler wrote:

> On Apr 13, 2005, at 22:40, Tony Bibbs wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to successfully migrate all lists and associated accounts 
>> over to a new server.  I copied everythign in the /lists and /data 
>> directories.  This seemed to produce the lists just fine but none of 
>> the addresses tied to each list came with them.  Thoughts?
>
>
> (You will probably also want to copy the archives and mm_cfg.py 
> customizations.)
>
> If you copied the contents of the lists directory, that contains all 
> of the subscriber addresses.
>
> If you mean the addresses to reach the mailing lists, you will also 
> need to copy or recreate all of the aliases that pipe mail into 
> mailman (unless you use an MTA scheme that automatically detects the 
> lists, which is most common for Exim users).  the bin/genaliases 
> command can (re)build the complete list of aliases for your lists.  
> (If you are using Postfix, you will also want to tell it where to find 
> the aliases in the data directory... details are in README.POSTFIX.)
>



From ler at lerctr.org  Thu Apr 14 18:19:16 2005
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:19:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating lists to new server...
In-Reply-To: <425D2162.9060608@tonybibbs.com>
Message-ID: <E1DM73q-0000qH-Rl@lerami.lerctr.org>

Did you copy the entire /lists directory AND IT'S SUBDIRECTORIES?

(I just did this exact thing for a client).
 


-- 
Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
Phone: +1 214-351-4152                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
US Mail: 3535 Gaspar Drive, Dallas, TX 75220-3611

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+ler=lerctr.org at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+ler=lerctr.org at python.org] On Behalf Of Tony
Bibbs
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:41 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating lists to new server...

I'm trying to successfully migrate all lists and associated accounts over to
a new server.  I copied everythign in the /lists and /data directories.
This seemed to produce the lists just fine but none of the addresses tied to
each list came with them.  Thoughts?

--Tony
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From espiritu at cacities.org  Thu Apr 14 18:22:56 2005
From: espiritu at cacities.org (Roger Espiritu)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:22:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hide footer/s 
Message-ID: <783E96D4142B9548B92E59451AD42B3703EE887E@lcc2.cacities.org>

How do I globally hide all the footers in my mailman (v2.1.2)? There are 3 banners (mailman, python powered and gnu).

-Roger



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Thu Apr 14 19:08:20 2005
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:08:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating lists to new server...
In-Reply-To: <E1DM73q-0000qH-Rl@lerami.lerctr.org>
References: <E1DM73q-0000qH-Rl@lerami.lerctr.org>
Message-ID: <425EA384.2090906@tonybibbs.com>

Yeah, I was pretty sure I did as I used scp's -r option to do it.  I may 
have to do it over...probably missed something obvious.

--Tony

Larry Rosenman wrote:

>Did you copy the entire /lists directory AND IT'S SUBDIRECTORIES?
>
>(I just did this exact thing for a client).
> 
>
>
>  
>



From ler at lerctr.org  Thu Apr 14 19:09:14 2005
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:09:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating lists to new server...
In-Reply-To: <425EA384.2090906@tonybibbs.com>
Message-ID: <E1DM7q8-0003BV-DV@lerami.lerctr.org>

The members are in the config.pck files in the /lists/${listname}/
directory. 


-- 
Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
Phone: +1 214-351-4152                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
US Mail: 3535 Gaspar Drive, Dallas, TX 75220-3611

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Bibbs [mailto:tony at tonybibbs.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:08 PM
To: Larry Rosenman
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Migrating lists to new server...

Yeah, I was pretty sure I did as I used scp's -r option to do it.  I may
have to do it over...probably missed something obvious.

--Tony

Larry Rosenman wrote:

>Did you copy the entire /lists directory AND IT'S SUBDIRECTORIES?
>
>(I just did this exact thing for a client).
> 
>
>
>  
>




From jared at cpd2.usu.edu  Thu Apr 14 19:35:14 2005
From: jared at cpd2.usu.edu (Jared Smith)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:35:14 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting option flag for all users?
Message-ID: <425EA9D2.7@cpd2.usu.edu>

I just got mailman 2.1.5 up and running on Debian and only pulled out 
about half of my hair in the process. I had set send_reminders (to send 
the monthly password reminders) in my list admin to NO and then imported 
our 1000 or so users. I have everything up and running perfectly and am 
now shocked to see that all of the imported users have the "Get password 
reminder email for this list?" flag set to YES, which means they will get 
the password reminder anyway, right?

So, is there a way for me to change this setting for all users to NO and 
then give them the option to enable it if they choose to. Totally 
disabling the password reminders isn't an option - I just don't want the 
user to get them unless they change the setting to YES.

I really don't want to change the options manually in the Web interface 
for 1000 usrs. I've narrowed this down to the send_reminders flag in the 
user options, but I'm not sure how to change this flag to 0 for all the 
users. Perhaps a withlist command?

Jared



From heather at madrone.com  Thu Apr 14 20:25:44 2005
From: heather at madrone.com (Heather Madrone)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:25:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] encoding errors
In-Reply-To: <BE8339A7.950F%lstone19@stonejongleux.com>
References: <BE8339A7.950F%lstone19@stonejongleux.com>
Message-ID: <p06210282be8464bfd422@[192.168.123.100]>

At 9:03 PM -0500 4/13/05, Larry Stone wrote:
>On 4/13/05 8:20 PM, Brad Knowles at brad at stop.mail-abuse.org wrote:
> > At 6:14 PM -0700 2005-04-13, Heather Madrone wrote:
> >>  Does anyone know why there are so many encoding errors with posts to this
>>>  list?
>>
>> Encoding errors?  What do you mean?
>
>I think she means this:
>[Error: Formatting error: Non-hexadecimal character in QP encoding]
>which I see in many list messages when logged into the shell on my computer
>and reading with pine (pine 4.58 running on MacOS X 10.3.8; for
>completeness, the MTA is whatever version of postfix came with Mac OS X
>10.3). I saw it in a message tonight:
>
>Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:22:26 -0500
>From: Jess Mooers <jmooers at landmannassoc.com>
>To: Mailman Users List <mailman-users at python.org>
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Not Sending

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about.  I'm wondering if it happens when
the messages are converted to plain text.  Or maybe with the handling of extended
ASCII characters.

On this list, I see it with about 5% of the posts.  I'm running the same version of
Mailman as this list, and it doesn't happen on my list.

It seems like bad advertising for Mailman, and I'd be interested in helping to track
down the problem.

-- 
Heather Madrone  (heather at madrone.com)  http://www.madrone.com

A rolling stone gathers no mass.


From jmooers at landmannassoc.com  Thu Apr 14 22:15:11 2005
From: jmooers at landmannassoc.com (Jess Mooers)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:15:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Not Sending
Message-ID: <r02010400-1038-E847CE5EAD2111D98389000A95845562@[66.170.10.196]>

Dan Phillips <dhphllps at memphis.edu> wrote on Wednesday, April 13, 2005:

>Check the Mailman logs (/usr/share/mailman/logs), specifically post and  
>smtp logs. If nothing shows up there related to the above post, then I  
>suspect that for some reason the qrunners have stopped. Check  
>/mailman/qfiles to see if any directories there's anything in in or  
>shunt.
>
>Just out of curiosity, did you install the 2.1.5 upgrade from source  
>over Apple's 2.1.2 install, or was it included in a software update  
>from Apple? I'm running 2.1.5 on OS X Server 10.2, and one of the  
>reasons I haven't updated to Panther was the outdated Mailman included.
>
>Dan

Sorry for the delay in response, had a server to fix in the mean time!

The mailman logs do not give any indication that anything is wrong.  I had this running about a 6 weeks ago, but put it on the back burner for a few other things.  Came back to it and it all of a sudden would not work.

I can't get acces to the qfiles.  From the terminal I get this.

xserve1:/var/mailman/qfiles jmooers$ ls -l
total 0
drwxrwx---   2 mailman  mailman   68  2 Feb 11:18 archive
drwxrwx---   2 mailman  mailman   68 31 Jan 15:04 bounces
drwxrwx---   2 mailman  mailman   68 31 Jan 15:04 commands
drwxrwx---  16 mailman  mailman  544 13 Apr 16:57 in
drwxrwx---   2 mailman  mailman   68 31 Jan 15:04 news
drwxrwx---   2 mailman  mailman   68  2 Feb 13:39 out
drwxrwx---   2 mailman  mailman   68 31 Jan 15:04 shunt
drwxrws---  22 root     mailman  748 13 Apr 17:00 virgin

The install is from Apple, running when I received our new XServe.

Jess Mooers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
Landmann Associates
1423 S. Park St., Madison,, WI 53715
W 608-257-1558 F 608-257-8705
www.landmannassoc.com


From jmooers at landmannassoc.com  Thu Apr 14 22:50:52 2005
From: jmooers at landmannassoc.com (Jess Mooers)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:50:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Not Sending
In-Reply-To: <d11fc682dc64e6b6f90b81d185d4d81f@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <r02010400-1038-E3EB53EAAD2611D98389000A95845562@[66.170.10.196]>

Dan Phillips <dhphllps at memphis.edu> wrote on Thursday, April 14, 2005:

>The fact that in and shunt directories are not empty indicates that the 
>mailmanctl daemon is not running. In the terminal, try running 
>"/usr/share/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start" or simply reboot the machine.
>
>Dan
>
Dan,

This is what I get now.

xserve1:/ jmooers$ sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start
Password:
Site list is missing: mailman

Jess Mooers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
Landmann Associates
1423 S. Park St., Madison,, WI 53715
W 608-257-1558 F 608-257-8705
www.landmannassoc.com


From cpz at tuunq.com  Thu Apr 14 23:21:10 2005
From: cpz at tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:21:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Not Sending
In-Reply-To: <r02010400-1038-E3EB53EAAD2611D98389000A95845562@[66.170.10.196]>
	from Jess Mooers at "Apr 14, 2005 03:50:52 pm"
Message-ID: <20050414212110.962817AE@mail.tuunq.com>

In a flurry of recycled electrons, Jess Mooers wrote:

> This is what I get now.
> 
> xserve1:/ jmooers$ sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start
> Password:
> Site list is missing: mailman

That's because with 2.1.x, you must have a list called 'mailman'. I'm
sure it's in the FAQ somewhere. MM won't operate without it.

z!


From jmooers at landmannassoc.com  Thu Apr 14 23:33:25 2005
From: jmooers at landmannassoc.com (Jess Mooers)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:33:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Not Sending
In-Reply-To: <20050414212110.962817AE@mail.tuunq.com>
Message-ID: <r02010400-1038-D5E33F84AD2C11D98389000A95845562@[66.170.10.196]>

Carl Zwanzig <cpz at tuunq.com> wrote on Thursday, April 14, 2005:

>In a flurry of recycled electrons, Jess Mooers wrote:
>
>> This is what I get now.
>> 
>> xserve1:/ jmooers$ sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start
>> Password:
>> Site list is missing: mailman
>
>That's because with 2.1.x, you must have a list called 'mailman'. I'm
>sure it's in the FAQ somewhere. MM won't operate without it.
>
>z!
>


Thanks.  I got the following, which is I'm sure what I am supposed to get.

xserve1:/ jmooers$ sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start
Password:
Starting Mailman's master qrunner.


We'll see if it works.  Thanks for all of your help.

Jess Mooers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
Landmann Associates
1423 S. Park St., Madison,, WI 53715
W 608-257-1558 F 608-257-8705
www.landmannassoc.com


From mandrews at dkp.com  Thu Apr 14 23:44:20 2005
From: mandrews at dkp.com (Mark Andrews)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:44:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extend htdig/Mailman to display message authors
Message-ID: <425EE434.8040805@dkp.com>

This question is in the blurry area between Mailman and htdig. Using the 
htdig patch from SourceForge, I've managed to
get Mailman 2.1.5 correctly building and searching message indexes.

However, we have one more wish item. Using htsearch to search message 
indexes produces a nice HTML page of messages,
ranked in whatever order was chosen by the user. We would like to 
include the name of the person (the author) of each message
in the HTML page produced by htsearch.

For example, if I search the "foo" group for messages containing the 
word "bar", I currently see something like:

*** [foo] First Subject
  ** [foo] Second Subject

when I would like to see:

*** [foo] First Subject   Author Name1
  ** [foo] Second Subject  Author Name2

Anyone done something similar or know how to do it?

Thanks



From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Apr 15 03:09:13 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:09:13 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting option flag for all users?
In-Reply-To: <425EA9D2.7@cpd2.usu.edu>
References: <425EA9D2.7@cpd2.usu.edu>
Message-ID: <f99fc5f97a56ae87d502f4a4c57f1dcd@onjapan.net>

On Apr 15, 2005, at 02:35, Jared Smith wrote:

> I really don't want to change the options manually in the Web 
> interface for 1000 usrs. I've narrowed this down to the send_reminders 
> flag in the user options, but I'm not sure how to change this flag to 
> 0 for all the users. Perhaps a withlist command?

I think you want to set SuppressPasswordReminders for each member.  And 
yes, you could do it with withlist.  Create ~mailman/noreminders.py 
containing:

###noreminders.py
from Mailman import mm_cfg

def noreminders(m):
     for addr in m.getMembers():
         m.setMemberOption(addr, mm_cfg.SuppressPasswordReminder, 1)
     m.Save()
     m.Unlock()
###noreminders.py

and then run on list 'mylist' by using withlist, remembering to lock 
the list:

bin/withlist -l -r noreminders mylist

-- 
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From jared at cpd2.usu.edu  Fri Apr 15 03:33:58 2005
From: jared at cpd2.usu.edu (Jared Smith)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:33:58 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting option flag for all users?
In-Reply-To: <f99fc5f97a56ae87d502f4a4c57f1dcd@onjapan.net>
References: <425EA9D2.7@cpd2.usu.edu>
	<f99fc5f97a56ae87d502f4a4c57f1dcd@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <425F1A06.5080503@cpd2.usu.edu>

Jim Tittsler wrote:
 > I think you want to set SuppressPasswordReminders for each member.  And
 > yes, you could do it with withlist.

That worked perfectly and took all of 1 minute to do. THANK YOU!

I would, however, make the recommendation that when send_reminders is set 
0 for a list that imported users should also have the 
SuppressPasswordReminders flag set to 1 rather than 0. As an admin, if I 
don't want reminders sent to my users, then why would every imported user 
have their settings set to receive them, thus overriding my list setting?

Jared Smith



From ler at lerctr.org  Fri Apr 15 05:22:55 2005
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:22:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Data directory/bounce-events-* files?
Message-ID: <E1DMHQ1-0005g7-NX@lerami.lerctr.org>

I have 178MEG of bounce-events-* files in my /data directory.

Should these files be hanging around?

I did have the Python 2.4* problem with strftime, but that is now fixed by
A local patch. 

If these files need to be processed somehow, how?

Do they need to hang around?

Thanks!


-- 
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From kkniepkamp at genetics.wustl.edu  Fri Apr 15 06:17:16 2005
From: kkniepkamp at genetics.wustl.edu (Kyle Kniepkamp)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:17:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allowing only users from a domain to post to list
Message-ID: <425F404C.3080004@genetics.wustl.edu>

This is mainly a two part question:

1. I have a list that I would only like to allow people with an 
@mydomain.com email address to post to. All others should be rejected. I 
don't see an easy way to do this and haven't run across anything useful 
in the list archives. Any ideas?

2. I have a list that will contain other lists, will people from those 
other lists be allowed to post to the main list without allowing anyone 
to post to it?


Thanks,

Mailman version 2.1.5

-- 
Kyle Kniepkamp


From psolomon at adelphia.net  Fri Apr 15 08:02:02 2005
From: psolomon at adelphia.net (Peter A. Solomon)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 02:02:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hide footer/s 
In-Reply-To: <783E96D4142B9548B92E59451AD42B3703EE887E@lcc2.cacities.org>
Message-ID: <000d01c54180$a6ab9850$87afac45@Delray>

Search through your Defaults.py for logos, remember to put any modifications
in your mm_cfg.py

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+psolomon=adelphia.net at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+psolomon=adelphia.net at python.org] On Behalf Of
Roger Espiritu
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:23 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hide footer/s 


How do I globally hide all the footers in my mailman (v2.1.2)? There are 3
banners (mailman, python powered and gnu).

-Roger

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From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr 15 08:03:22 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:03:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allowing only users from a domain to post to list
In-Reply-To: <425F404C.3080004@genetics.wustl.edu>
Message-ID: <PC17452005041423032205467c01f058@msapiro>

Kyle Kniepkamp wrote:
>
>1. I have a list that I would only like to allow people with an 
>@mydomain.com email address to post to. All others should be rejected. I 
>don't see an easy way to do this and haven't run across anything useful 
>in the list archives. Any ideas?


Put

^.*@mydomain\.com

in accept_these_nonmembers.


>2. I have a list that will contain other lists, will people from those 
>other lists be allowed to post to the main list without allowing anyone 
>to post to it?

Not automatically. See the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Article 3.5

Also see http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#listinclusion

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From info at filipecarrera.com  Thu Apr 14 11:12:36 2005
From: info at filipecarrera.com (Filipe Carrera)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:12:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Questions
Message-ID: <008001c540d2$2041f330$4100a8c0@P4>

Does Mailman have a stats module where I can see how many messages were send in a day, week or month?

What are the main diferences between Mailman and Yahoo Groups?

Thanks,

Filipe Carrera
info at filipecarrera.com
_________________________________________
Consultoria, Forma??o e Coaching
www.filipecarrera.com


From perlguy at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 15 02:45:53 2005
From: perlguy at hotmail.com (Philip Parker)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:45:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search function?
Message-ID: <BAY13-F39D6BBEAA2440B7897E755AF360@phx.gbl>

I'm a subscriber to many mailing lists that use the Mailman software and 
wondered if there was a complementary program for searching archives 
produced by Mailman? If not on the server side, perhaps a small program that 
searched locally after downloading the archive files? Just wanted to check 
before I start writing something. Thanks.

Philip Parker -  perlguy at hotmail.com




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From: Sinh.Quan at brixton-online.com (Sinh Quan)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:55:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List
Message-ID: <4C53EFD92235424795F3B51D630AF89D65FA1E@2kserver.brixton-online.com>

Hi

 

I am trouble shooting a mailing list in which mails did not go to
members.

 

The list I am dealing with has nearly 7000 members and I don't want to
send a test email to all of them.  I would like to send to just 1 for
testing purposes.

 

Is there a quick way of setting the no mail marker to all members rather
than 1 by 1 and then untick them again later?

 

Appreciate for your guidance.

 

 

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From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Apr 15 13:10:48 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:10:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Questions
In-Reply-To: <008001c540d2$2041f330$4100a8c0@P4>
References: <008001c540d2$2041f330$4100a8c0@P4>
Message-ID: <p06200701be8551879a59@[10.0.1.2]>

At 10:12 AM +0100 2005-04-14, Filipe Carrera wrote:

>  Does Mailman have a stats module where I can see how many messages were
>  send in a day, week or month?

	No.  But many such things exist for various mail servers, and you 
could easily install one.  For example, see "lire" from logreport.org.

>  What are the main diferences between Mailman and Yahoo Groups?

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.026.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Apr 15 13:13:40 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:13:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search function?
In-Reply-To: <BAY13-F39D6BBEAA2440B7897E755AF360@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY13-F39D6BBEAA2440B7897E755AF360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <p06200702be85520fba37@[10.0.1.2]>

At 7:45 PM -0500 2005-04-14, Philip Parker wrote:

>  I'm a subscriber to many mailing lists that use the Mailman software
>  and wondered if there was a complementary program for searching archives
>  produced by Mailman?

	Created by this project?  No.

>                        If not on the server side, perhaps a small program
>  that searched locally after downloading the archive files? Just wanted
>  to check before I start writing something. Thanks.

	We have to support over thirty different OSes.  It would not be 
practical for us to try to create searching programs to support all 
those OSes.  Feel free to use grep or some other standard searching 
tool on your local machine for archives that you have downloaded.

	If you wish to integrate a searching tool into your archives, you 
can follow the example at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

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temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

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From jardar at nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Apr 15 13:20:46 2005
From: jardar at nvg.ntnu.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jardar_Eggesb=F8_Abrahamsen?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:20:46 +0200 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0504151316450.30341@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no>

As a new version of Mailman is approaching, I have a small question. This 
will be my first upgrade, but the INSTALL and UPGRADING files that came 
with 2.1.5 only say that "For the most part, upgrading Mailman is as easy 
as just installing the latest version over the existing version."

So I was just wondering, when the day comes, should I do "make install" or 
"make upgrade"?

And will mm_cfg.py be overwritten?

Thanks!

Jardar


From cmefford at eruditium.org  Fri Apr 15 14:18:48 2005
From: cmefford at eruditium.org (Chip Mefford)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:18:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Questions
In-Reply-To: <p06200701be8551879a59@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <008001c540d2$2041f330$4100a8c0@P4>
	<p06200701be8551879a59@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <425FB128.4010300@eruditium.org>

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Brad Knowles wrote:
| At 10:12 AM +0100 2005-04-14, Filipe Carrera wrote:
|
SNIP
|
|>  What are the main diferences between Mailman and Yahoo Groups?
|
|     See
| <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.026.htp>.

There are other considerations as well that may or may not be important.

Reasons that I use mailman, and willingly host mailman lists for others
as opposed to using Yahoo groups include;

~  I have no commercial interest in providing the "free" service.
~  I am not aware under what model the Yahoo "free" service operates.
~    a, Seems that all the yahoo groups messages I ever receive
~       have an advertisement attached. While I am no opposed to
~       advertising, I don't like having my name associated with
~       products and services with which I have no experience and
~       may be unwilling to endorse.

~    b, I am concerned, due to Yahoo's eula, that email addresses
~       may be shared with commercial vendors, and that signing
~       up for a Yahoo group implies at least some level of "opt-in".

~  Also, I can control and deal with "issues" as they arise with my
~  mailman lists. Yahoo has all the control of their groups. This isn't
~  necessarily a bad thing, but it's hard to say who will end up owning
~  Yahoo's intellectual property in the future.

There are many other concerns I have with services such as Yahoo groups.
I think Yahoo is doing a good job providing their customers with good
service in many regards. I personally don't want to play by their rules,
so I make my own playground and invite others to play there if they
wish.



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From cl-admin at cox.net  Fri Apr 15 16:40:14 2005
From: cl-admin at cox.net (CL-Admin)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:40:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about extracting mail list
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050410214922.036499e8@pop6.attglobal.net>
	<002e01c53e66$a9a498d0$1400000a@workstation>
Message-ID: <004301c541c9$093b99a0$6401a8c0@litehouse>

If you do this and your address is also allowed to post to the list 
for admin purposes, then the list P/W has been broadcast to the 
domain.  I know - I just did it - now have a new password.  Is there 
another way?  I only have WEB access at hosting company for the list. 
The Mailman Users is a plethora of information.

Best Regards,

Vern Wright
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason" <Jason at Weatherserver.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] a question about extracting mail list


: There are a few ways. If you are moving to another mailman system 
you can
: just copy the directory for the list to the new system.
:
: You could email    listname-request at domain.com
: and in the body put
:
: who  listpassword
:
:
: and it will email you back a list of all the emails in the list IF 
the
: people don't have themself setup as hidden.
:
: And then import that list into your new listserver.
: ----- Original Message ----- 
: From: "Femenia" <femenia at attglobal.net>
: To: <mailman-users at python.org>
: Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:50 PM
: Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about extracting mail list
:
:
: > Hi,
: > I'm interested in migrating the list to another system. How can I 
extract
: > the 5200 email addresses? the system allows me to see only 30 each 
time.
: > Can I see all of them in  a continuos list?
: > many thanks
: >
: > Nora
: >
: > Nora Femenia, Ph.D.
: > femenia at inter-mediacion.com
: > Quiere visitar nuestro foro?
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: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
: > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
: > Searchable Archives:
: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
: > Unsubscribe:
: > 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jason%40weatherserver.net
: >
: > Security Policy:
: > 
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: >
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: 




From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Fri Apr 15 16:42:53 2005
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:42:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode
	character u'\xd6' in position 5: ordinal not in range(128)
Message-ID: <20050415144252.GN15969@charite.de>

I get the error:

UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xd6' in
position 5: ordinal not in range(128)

in mailmans logs/errors, but how do I find out which list / which mail
causes it?

Apr 14 09:21:52 2005 (7409) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop
      self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
        File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
      File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose
    self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
      File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 152, in process
    deliveryfunc(mlist, msg, msgdata, envsender, refused, conn)
      File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 285, in verpdeliver
    Decorate.process(mlist, msgcopy, msgdata)
      File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 58, in process
    username = username.encode(Utils.GetCharSet(d['user_language']))
    UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xd6' in position 5: ordinal not in range(128)

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From kkniepkamp at genetics.wustl.edu  Fri Apr 15 17:29:21 2005
From: kkniepkamp at genetics.wustl.edu (Kyle Kniepkamp)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:29:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allowing only users from a domain to post to list
In-Reply-To: <PC17452005041423032205467c01f058@msapiro>
References: <PC17452005041423032205467c01f058@msapiro>
Message-ID: <425FDDD1.2020908@genetics.wustl.edu>

Thanks,
 I had something like that (Put ^.*@mydomain\.com in accept_these_nonmembers.) already and Mailman is still allowing anyone to post to my list. How do I set it to allow only members and anyone from '@mydomain.com'?

Thanks,

Kyle Kniepkamp




Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Kyle Kniepkamp wrote:
>  
>
>>1. I have a list that I would only like to allow people with an 
>>@mydomain.com email address to post to. All others should be rejected. I 
>>don't see an easy way to do this and haven't run across anything useful 
>>in the list archives. Any ideas?
>>    
>>
>
>
>Put
>
>^.*@mydomain\.com
>
>in accept_these_nonmembers.
>
>
>  
>
>>2. I have a list that will contain other lists, will people from those 
>>other lists be allowed to post to the main list without allowing anyone 
>>to post to it?
>>    
>>
>
>Not automatically. See the FAQ
>  
>
>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>    
>>
>Article 3.5
>
>Also see http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#listinclusion
>
>--
>Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
>San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>  
>


From rick at niof.net  Fri Apr 15 17:16:43 2005
From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:16:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cannot remove member
Message-ID: <20050415151643.GF12760@niof.net>

Somehow I subscribed a member with double quotes around the address so
his address shows up as:

"membername at xxx.yy"

When I try to unsubscribe him, both from the web interface and the
command line, the entry does not get removed. If I add the name without
the quote marks then attempting to remove the name *with* quote marks
removes the name *without* quote marks.

How do I correct this entry error?

-- 
One of the hardest things in life is having words in your heart that you
can't utter. -James Earl Jones, actor (1931- )
    Rick Pasotto    rick at niof.net    http://www.niof.net


From heather at madrone.com  Fri Apr 15 17:58:53 2005
From: heather at madrone.com (Heather Madrone)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:58:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allowing only users from a domain to post to list
In-Reply-To: <425FDDD1.2020908@genetics.wustl.edu>
References: <PC17452005041423032205467c01f058@msapiro>
	<425FDDD1.2020908@genetics.wustl.edu>
Message-ID: <p0621020fbe8594215e8a@[192.168.123.100]>

At 10:29 AM -0500 4/15/05, Kyle Kniepkamp wrote:
>Thanks,
>I had something like that (Put ^.*@mydomain\.com in
>accept_these_nonmembers.) already and Mailman is still allowing
>anyone to post to my list. How do I set it to allow only members and
>anyone from '@mydomain.com'?

Look at Privacy Options...Sender Filters.  Scroll down to the bottom
and make sure that generic_nonmember_action is set to hold, reject,
or discard.

-- 
Heather Madrone  (heather at madrone.com)  http://www.madrone.com

A rolling stone gathers no mass.


From kkniepkamp at genetics.wustl.edu  Fri Apr 15 17:56:43 2005
From: kkniepkamp at genetics.wustl.edu (Kyle Kniepkamp)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:56:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allowing only users from a domain to post to list
In-Reply-To: <p0621020fbe8594215e8a@[192.168.123.100]>
References: <PC17452005041423032205467c01f058@msapiro>
	<425FDDD1.2020908@genetics.wustl.edu>
	<p0621020fbe8594215e8a@[192.168.123.100]>
Message-ID: <425FE43B.6010605@genetics.wustl.edu>

I do have it set to "Discard" already. However, I dont have anything in 
the "discard_these_nonmembers" section. Do I have to have something in 
there, a wildcard that tells Mailman to reject everything other than 
members and whats in the "accept_these_nonmembers"  section?

Thanks for your help,

Kyle Kniepkamp




Heather Madrone wrote:

>At 10:29 AM -0500 4/15/05, Kyle Kniepkamp wrote:
>  
>
>>Thanks,
>>I had something like that (Put ^.*@mydomain\.com in
>>accept_these_nonmembers.) already and Mailman is still allowing
>>anyone to post to my list. How do I set it to allow only members and
>>anyone from '@mydomain.com'?
>>    
>>
>
>Look at Privacy Options...Sender Filters.  Scroll down to the bottom
>and make sure that generic_nonmember_action is set to hold, reject,
>or discard.
>
>  
>


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr 15 18:03:42 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:03:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allowing only users from a domain to post to list
In-Reply-To: <425FE43B.6010605@genetics.wustl.edu>
Message-ID: <PC174520050415090342076547079fa7@msapiro>

Kyle Kniepkamp wrote:

>I do have it set to "Discard" already. However, I dont have anything in 
>the "discard_these_nonmembers" section. Do I have to have something in 
>there, a wildcard that tells Mailman to reject everything other than 
>members and whats in the "accept_these_nonmembers"  section?

No, you don't need anything in the other *_these_nonmembers attributes.

It should work. What exactly do you have in accept_these_nonmembers?

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From kkniepkamp at genetics.wustl.edu  Fri Apr 15 18:07:30 2005
From: kkniepkamp at genetics.wustl.edu (Kyle Kniepkamp)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:07:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allowing only users from a domain to post to list
In-Reply-To: <PC174520050415090342076547079fa7@msapiro>
References: <PC174520050415090342076547079fa7@msapiro>
Message-ID: <425FE6C2.2060802@genetics.wustl.edu>

The only thing I have in *accept_these_nonmembers *is

^.*@mydomain\.edu

Kyle Kniepkamp
Systems Administrator
Washington University
Department of Genetics
4566 Scott Ave. Box 8232
St. Louis, MO 63110
314.540.9600



Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Kyle Kniepkamp wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I do have it set to "Discard" already. However, I dont have anything in 
>>the "discard_these_nonmembers" section. Do I have to have something in 
>>there, a wildcard that tells Mailman to reject everything other than 
>>members and whats in the "accept_these_nonmembers"  section?
>>    
>>
>
>No, you don't need anything in the other *_these_nonmembers attributes.
>
>It should work. What exactly do you have in accept_these_nonmembers?
>
>--
>Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
>San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>  
>


From mailman-users at eljee.nl  Fri Apr 15 18:13:18 2005
From: mailman-users at eljee.nl (mailman-users at eljee.nl)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:13:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error when trying to signup through the web..
Message-ID: <425FE81E.9050902@eljee.nl>

Hi All,
I got a nasty problem. When people try to signup I get this error on the 
webpage.


    Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5


      We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, 
but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.

mailman-users at python.org

HERE THE OUTPU OF THE ERROR LOG:


Apr 15 14:00:52 2005 admin(15548): 
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(15548): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.5 -----]
admin(15548): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(15548): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(15548):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 101, in run_main
admin(15548):     main()
admin(15548):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 96, 
in main
admin(15548):     process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata, language)
admin(15548):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 176, 
in process_form
admin(15548):     mlist.AddMember(userdesc, remote)
admin(15548):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 854, in 
AddMember
admin(15548):     cookie = self.pend_new(Pending.SUBSCRIPTION, userdesc)
admin(15548):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 65, in pend_new
admin(15548):     db = self.__load()
admin(15548):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 95, in __load
admin(15548):     return cPickle.load(fp)
admin(15548): EOFError
admin(15548): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(15548): sys.version     =   2.3.3 (#1, May  7 2004, 10:31:40)
[GCC 3.3.3 20040412 (Red Hat Linux 3.3.3-7)]
admin(15548): sys.executable  =   /usr/bin/python
admin(15548): sys.prefix      =   /usr
admin(15548): sys.exec_prefix =   /usr
admin(15548): sys.path        =   /usr
admin(15548): sys.platform    =   linux2
admin(15548): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(15548):   HTTP_REFERER: http://www.fotonetwerk.nl/
admin(15548):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/2.0.51 (Fedora)
admin(15548):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/subscribe
admin(15548):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: <address>Apache/2.0.51 (Fedora) Server 
at www.fotonetwerk.nl Port 80</address>
admin(15548):
admin(15548):   REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(15548):   HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300
admin(15548):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(15548):   QUERY_STRING: 
admin(15548):   CONTENT_LENGTH: 79
admin(15548):   HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
admin(15548):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 
5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050317 Firefox/1.0.2
admin(15548):   HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive
admin(15548):   SERVER_NAME: www.fotonetwerk.nl
admin(15548):   REMOTE_ADDR: 192.168.0.2
admin(15548):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /hosting/fotonetwerk.nl/www/nieuw-fotowerk
admin(15548):   SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(15548):   SERVER_ADDR: 62.216.17.61
admin(15548):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /hosting
admin(15548):   PYTHONPATH: /var/mailman
admin(15548):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /var/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe
admin(15548):   SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at eljee.nl
admin(15548):   fotonetwerk: 1
admin(15548):   HTTP_HOST: www.fotonetwerk.nl
admin(15548):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/subscribe/nieuw-fotowerk
admin(15548):   HTTP_ACCEPT: 
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5 

admin(15548):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(15548):   REMOTE_PORT: 2169
admin(15548):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us,en;q=0.5
admin(15548):   CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(15548):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip,deflate
admin(15548):   UNIQUE_ID: ZM9tKH8AAAEAACVlB at EAAAAM
admin(15548):   PATH_INFO: /nieuw-fotowerk



Anyone any idea's??
Thanks, Eljee



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr 15 19:02:10 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:02:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restrict listserv to domain senders?
In-Reply-To: <9aa7b9121b7789548fb16533c53e4a40@bpl.on.ca>
Message-ID: <PC17452005041510021006251b59887b@msapiro>

Vincent Yonemitsu wrote:

>I was wondering if there is a way to restrict a particular mailing list to a group of senders like say the users on the list? I am sure there is a way I just can't seem to find the setting in the web admin.
>

It's on Privacy options...->Sender filters, generic_nonmember_action.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From mrei0999 at rz.uni-hildesheim.de  Fri Apr 15 18:13:58 2005
From: mrei0999 at rz.uni-hildesheim.de (Meike Reichle)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:13:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hallo mailman
Message-ID: <425FE846.3030609@rz.uni-hildesheim.de>



From mrei0999 at rz.uni-hildesheim.de  Fri Apr 15 20:23:48 2005
From: mrei0999 at rz.uni-hildesheim.de (Meike Reichle)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:23:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems  writing to my mailman list
Message-ID: <426006B4.4010101@rz.uni-hildesheim.de>

Hi all,

first of all sorry about the stupid mail earlier. I wanted to test
mailman at mydomain and simply typed mailman<tab>, not considering that I
had this list's address in my address book. Again, sorry about that!

Now for why I was testing my mailman list: I've got a whole lot of
mailing lists, which all work perfectly fine. The only one that doesn't
work is the mailman list which I created first when setting up mailman.
The Error message I get is:
Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but
the system's mail server executed the mail script as
group "daemon".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the
script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=daemon'.

What confuses me is that this error only occurs when sending mail to the
mailman list, all others work out allright. Is there anything special
about the mailman list that could trigger that error?

Thanks for any hints :)
Meike


From jmooers at landmannassoc.com  Fri Apr 15 20:25:33 2005
From: jmooers at landmannassoc.com (Jess Mooers)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:25:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifiy Subject
Message-ID: <r02010400-1038-C1F12709ADDB11D9B4DF000A95845562@[66.170.10.196]>

Hi all,

I have a list called New_Listing and it is for a client of mine called CIREX.  I have modified the "Prefix for subject line of list postings." to prepend [CIREX] to the subject.  However, I have noticed that the [CIREX] is not prepended for the "Welcome" message or any subscription messages for that matter.  

I have already created a list language template folder and am successfully altering the stock messages for the list, but I can't seem to handle the Subjects.

Jess Mooers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
Landmann Associates
1423 S. Park St., Madison,, WI 53715
W 608-257-1558 F 608-257-8705
www.landmannassoc.com


From elena at rlindsay.net  Fri Apr 15 21:09:17 2005
From: elena at rlindsay.net (Elena I. Halford)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:09:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help quick...
In-Reply-To: <1104.151.42.60.162.1013093240.squirrel@www.solignani.it>
Message-ID: <20050415191025.9A5021E401D@bag.python.org>

 I've been using mailman list for 3 years on a cobalt RAQ server.  I had it
installed by someone else and it was a custom installation.  3 days ago I
switched to a new server to upgrade.  All the mailman files are gone.  I
want to hire someone to go into the server, harvest the mailing list of one
domain, and it's settings and transfer it to the new server.

Please, this is important.  It has to be someone familiar with mailman,
cobalt RAQ and Apache servers.  I also want the mailman list working on the
new apache server using one domain.

Please reply as soon as possible to renae at rlindsay.net

Thank you.

Renae



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr 15 22:05:04 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:05:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and ssl fun
In-Reply-To: <c7ef32a705041214513e9fb296@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC17452005041513050405783828bc46@msapiro>

Tierra wrote:
>
>Double check you have these variables set in your mm_cfg.py:
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mailman.kushana.com:10445'
>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'

And once you've got that correct, you have to run fix_url.py to pick up
the changes for existing lists. Run bin/fix_url.py for instructions.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From dan at more.net  Fri Apr 15 22:09:27 2005
From: dan at more.net (Dan D Niles)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:09:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce-events files
Message-ID: <16992.8055.31420.501997@jane.spg.more.net>


I have 1471 bounce-events-* files in my data directory.  Some of them
are as old as 2 months old.

Is this normal or a byproduct of the bug that causes BounceRunner to
die?

Dan


From ler at lerctr.org  Fri Apr 15 22:37:21 2005
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:37:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce-events files
In-Reply-To: <16992.8055.31420.501997@jane.spg.more.net>
References: <16992.8055.31420.501997@jane.spg.more.net>
Message-ID: <200504151537.21820.ler@lerctr.org>

On Friday 15 April 2005 03:09 pm, Dan D Niles wrote:
> I have 1471 bounce-events-* files in my data directory.  Some of them
> are as old as 2 months old.
>
> Is this normal or a byproduct of the bug that causes BounceRunner to
> die?
I have a similar question I posed last night, that hasn't been answered.

Mine are 178Meg ....

LER

-- 
Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
Phone: +1 214-351-4152                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
US Mail: 3535 Gaspar Drive, Dallas, TX 75220-3611


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr 15 23:54:56 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:54:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting option flag for all users?
In-Reply-To: <425F1A06.5080503@cpd2.usu.edu>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504151454550984efff722f@msapiro>

Jared Smith wrote:

>Jim Tittsler wrote:
> > I think you want to set SuppressPasswordReminders for each member.  And
> > yes, you could do it with withlist.
>
>That worked perfectly and took all of 1 minute to do. THANK YOU!
>
>I would, however, make the recommendation that when send_reminders is set 
>0 for a list that imported users should also have the 
>SuppressPasswordReminders flag set to 1 rather than 0. As an admin, if I 
>don't want reminders sent to my users, then why would every imported user 
>have their settings set to receive them, thus overriding my list setting?


You misunderstand the list settings. The users SuppressPasswordReminder
flag enables the user to supress her/his own reminders when
send_reminders is Yes. When send_reminders is No, no reminders are set
regardless of the user's individual SuppressPasswordReminder flag. The
user's setting does not override the list setting in this direction.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From matt at frii.com  Sat Apr 16 00:20:22 2005
From: matt at frii.com (Matt Ruzicka)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:20:22 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Sending Question.
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504151606430.21609@elara.frii.com>

I have a user who uses a custom system for tracking and maintaining their
subscriber list through their web site and have decided to use Mailman to
distribute their newsletter.  The user is paranoid about their users
receiving junk to the list (a result of a bad majordomo experience in the
past) so they are manually installing their list of about 4000 addresses,
sending their monthly newsletter, and then removing their list of
addresses.

The question I have is, how long does that list of addresses need to stay
in the system after mailman receives the message to post and it starts
sending?

Looking in my logs I see that batches of messages are taking some time to
be sent, but has mailman already decided who all it is going to send to as
soon as it receives the post or does it run through the list of addresses
in its database as it is sending out batches of messages?

If this is more of an MTA issue, we are using Postfix as the MTA, but does
Mailman send the full list of addresses to Postfix for it to decide how to
batch them?

If Mailman decides right away, either deciding on batching itself or
handing it to Postfix for batching I would think he could remove the list
of addresses soon after the message is sent (or at least as soon as he has
verified messages have started sending).  If it reads live I realize the
answer will be "it can be removed when it is done", which is fine, I just
want to know which we are dealing with.

If all this is in the FAQ somewhere that I wasn't seeing I apologize.

Thanks.

Matthew Ruzicka - Systems Administrator
Front Range Internet, Inc.
matt at frii.net - (970) 212-0728

Got SPAM?  Take back your email with MailArmory.  http://www.MailArmory.com


From msapiro at value.net  Sat Apr 16 00:32:35 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:32:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] encoding errors
In-Reply-To: <p06210282be8464bfd422@[192.168.123.100]>
Message-ID: <PC17452005041515323505468d14a845@msapiro>

Heather Madrone wrote:

>At 9:03 PM -0500 4/13/05, Larry Stone wrote:
>>On 4/13/05 8:20 PM, Brad Knowles at brad at stop.mail-abuse.org wrote:
>> > At 6:14 PM -0700 2005-04-13, Heather Madrone wrote:
>> >>  Does anyone know why there are so many encoding errors with posts to this
>>>>  list?
>>>
>>> Encoding errors?  What do you mean?
>>
>>I think she means this:
>>[Error: Formatting error: Non-hexadecimal character in QP encoding]
>>which I see in many list messages when logged into the shell on my computer
>>and reading with pine (pine 4.58 running on MacOS X 10.3.8; for
>>completeness, the MTA is whatever version of postfix came with Mac OS X
>>10.3). I saw it in a message tonight:
>>
>>Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:22:26 -0500
>>From: Jess Mooers <jmooers at landmannassoc.com>
>>To: Mailman Users List <mailman-users at python.org>
>>Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Not Sending
>
>Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about.  I'm wondering if it happens when
>the messages are converted to plain text.  Or maybe with the handling of extended
>ASCII characters.
>
>On this list, I see it with about 5% of the posts.  I'm running the same version of
>Mailman as this list, and it doesn't happen on my list.
>
>It seems like bad advertising for Mailman, and I'd be interested in helping to track
>down the problem.

I believe the issue is this. The last line of the list footer for this
list is:

>Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&amp;file=faq01.027.htp

Equal signs are special in quoted-printable encoding; the introduce a
two hex digit character code. Thus in quoted-printable encoding, '=fa'
stands for the character whose hex value is FA, but '=sh' is an error.

Now, normally, when the body of a message has content type other than
text/plain or a character set that is different from the list's
character set, the footer is added as a separate MIME part (see
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp).

I thought that was also the case when the body was encoded
quoted-printable or base64. I'm still pretty sure it is the case with
base64, but apparently it isn't the case with quoted-printable.

What is happening here is the original post has

Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

and the footer is just being added to the end of the body. Then the
recipients MUA decodes the quoted-printable message body which
includes the footer and encounters the error on the '=sh'.

I haven't looked at the Mailman code for this, but the solution would
be to insure that if the message has Content-Transfer-Encoding: other
than 7bit or 8bit, the footer is placed in a separate MIME part. Or,
in this case if possible, to link to the FAQ article without using
'=', but given the FAQ wizard, I don't think it is possible. Note that
neither %3D nor &#3D; is an acceptable substitute for '=' in this
context in the cgi URL


>A rolling stone gathers no mass.

Actually, according to special relativity, if it is accelerating, it
does :-)

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Apr 16 01:28:48 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:28:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hide footer/s 
In-Reply-To: <000d01c54180$a6ab9850$87afac45@Delray>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504151628480640eb1a06d0@msapiro>

Peter A. Solomon wrote:

>Roger Espiritu wrote:
>>
>>How do I globally hide all the footers in my mailman (v2.1.2)? There are 3
>>banners (mailman, python powered and gnu).


>Search through your Defaults.py for logos, remember to put any modifications
>in your mm_cfg.py

The mm_cfg.py option only eliminates the logos, not the entire footer
(text links remain). To remove the footer entirely, you have to edit
MailmanLogo() in htmlformat.py

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Apr 16 01:45:57 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:45:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about extracting mail list
In-Reply-To: <004301c541c9$093b99a0$6401a8c0@litehouse>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504151645570406eb1a05ef@msapiro>

CL-Admin wrote:

>If you do this and your address is also allowed to post to the list 
>for admin purposes, then the list P/W has been broadcast to the 
>domain.  I know - I just did it - now have a new password.  Is there 
>another way?  I only have WEB access at hosting company for the list. 
>The Mailman Users is a plethora of information.

Did you send the

who listpw

to the listname-request address or to the posting address?

Also, whether or not you need a password depends on the setting of
private_roster

The safest thing is to send a 'help' request to the listname-request
address. The reply will give the exact syntax for that list.

Yes, there's another way. See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.053.htp

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Apr 16 01:57:51 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:57:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cannot remove member
In-Reply-To: <20050415151643.GF12760@niof.net>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504151657510687eb1a0702@msapiro>

Rick Pasotto wrote:

>Somehow I subscribed a member with double quotes around the address so
>his address shows up as:
>
>"membername at xxx.yy"
>
>When I try to unsubscribe him, both from the web interface and the
>command line, the entry does not get removed. If I add the name without
>the quote marks then attempting to remove the name *with* quote marks
>removes the name *without* quote marks.
>
>How do I correct this entry error?

Have you tried

bin/remove_members listname \"membername at xxx.yy\"

If you have and it didn't work, see
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.013.htp

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Apr 16 02:00:49 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:00:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allowing only users from a domain to post tolist
In-Reply-To: <425FE6C2.2060802@genetics.wustl.edu>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504151700490781eb1a075e@msapiro>

Kyle Kniepkamp wrote:

>The only thing I have in *accept_these_nonmembers *is
>
>^.*@mydomain\.edu

Are you running a current Mailman version with an appropriate Python
version? If so, I'm out of ideas, sorry.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Apr 16 02:14:40 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:14:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems  writing to my mailman list
In-Reply-To: <426006B4.4010101@rz.uni-hildesheim.de>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504151714400875eb1a07b3@msapiro>

Meike Reichle wrote:
>
>Now for why I was testing my mailman list: I've got a whole lot of
>mailing lists, which all work perfectly fine. The only one that doesn't
>work is the mailman list which I created first when setting up mailman.
>The Error message I get is:
>Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
>wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but
>the system's mail server executed the mail script as
>group "daemon".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the
>script as group "mailman", or re-run configure,
>providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=daemon'.
>
>What confuses me is that this error only occurs when sending mail to the
>mailman list, all others work out allright. Is there anything special
>about the mailman list that could trigger that error?

It seems to me that the aliases (at least the post alias) must pipe to
a different mail/mailman wrapper than the aliases for the other lists
that work. Either that or somhow the MTA is configured in such a way
that it runs in a different group when piping to that one list.

Check the aliases and the MTA configuration.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Apr 16 02:49:07 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:49:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Sending Question.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504151606430.21609@elara.frii.com>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504151749070750eb1a0715@msapiro>

Matt Ruzicka wrote:
>
>The question I have is, how long does that list of addresses need to stay
>in the system after mailman receives the message to post and it starts
>sending?

By the time Mailman begins delivery to the MTA, Handlers/CalcRecips.py
has already built the recipient list.

>Looking in my logs I see that batches of messages are taking some time to
>be sent, but has mailman already decided who all it is going to send to as
>soon as it receives the post or does it run through the list of addresses
>in its database as it is sending out batches of messages?

It has completely decided who to send to not immediately, but before it
begins sending.

>If this is more of an MTA issue, we are using Postfix as the MTA, but does
>Mailman send the full list of addresses to Postfix for it to decide how to
>batch them?


Mailman creates chunks (assuming we're not verping) no bigger than
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS (default 500) for delivery to Postfix, and postfix does
its own batching with those, but the whole list is built by Mailman
before it creates the first chunk.


>If Mailman decides right away, either deciding on batching itself or
>handing it to Postfix for batching I would think he could remove the list
>of addresses soon after the message is sent (or at least as soon as he has
>verified messages have started sending).  If it reads live I realize the
>answer will be "it can be removed when it is done", which is fine, I just
>want to know which we are dealing with.


It's the former. There are other issues around bounce processing, but I
gather this may not be a concern.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Apr 16 03:00:45 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:00:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0504151316450.30341@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504151800450671eb1a06ec@msapiro>

Jardar Eggesb? Abrahamsen wrote:

>As a new version of Mailman is approaching, I have a small question. This 
>will be my first upgrade, but the INSTALL and UPGRADING files that came 
>with 2.1.5 only say that "For the most part, upgrading Mailman is as easy 
>as just installing the latest version over the existing version."
>
>So I was just wondering, when the day comes, should I do "make install" or 
>"make upgrade"?

make install

>And will mm_cfg.py be overwritten?

No


--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From rick at niof.net  Sat Apr 16 03:29:53 2005
From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:29:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cannot remove member
In-Reply-To: <PC1745200504151657510687eb1a0702@msapiro>
References: <20050415151643.GF12760@niof.net>
	<PC1745200504151657510687eb1a0702@msapiro>
Message-ID: <20050416012952.GH12760@niof.net>

On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 04:57:51PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Rick Pasotto wrote:
> 
> >Somehow I subscribed a member with double quotes around the address so
> >his address shows up as:
> >
> >"membername at xxx.yy"
> >
> >When I try to unsubscribe him, both from the web interface and the
> >command line, the entry does not get removed. If I add the name without
> >the quote marks then attempting to remove the name *with* quote marks
> >removes the name *without* quote marks.
> >
> >How do I correct this entry error?
> 
> Have you tried
> 
> bin/remove_members listname \"membername at xxx.yy\"

Oh, yes. And many variations.

> If you have and it didn't work, see
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.013.htp

That did the trick. Thanks.

-- 
The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made 
for humans any more than black people were made for whites or women for 
men. -Alice Walker
    Rick Pasotto    rick at niof.net    http://www.niof.net


From msapiro at value.net  Sat Apr 16 03:35:49 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:35:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error when trying to signup through the web..
In-Reply-To: <425FE81E.9050902@eljee.nl>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504151835490203eb1a051c@msapiro>

mailman-users at eljee.nl wrote:
>
>HERE THE OUTPU OF THE ERROR LOG:
>
>
>Apr 15 14:00:52 2005 admin(15548): 
>@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>admin(15548): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.5 -----]
>admin(15548): [----- Traceback ------]
>admin(15548): Traceback (most recent call last):
>admin(15548):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 101, in run_main
>admin(15548):     main()
>admin(15548):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 96, 
>in main
>admin(15548):     process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata, language)
>admin(15548):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 176, 
>in process_form
>admin(15548):     mlist.AddMember(userdesc, remote)
>admin(15548):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 854, in 
>AddMember
>admin(15548):     cookie = self.pend_new(Pending.SUBSCRIPTION, userdesc)
>admin(15548):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 65, in pend_new
>admin(15548):     db = self.__load()
>admin(15548):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 95, in __load
>admin(15548):     return cPickle.load(fp)
>admin(15548): EOFError

It looks like possibly the lists pending.pck (probably at
/var/mailman/lists/nieuw-fotowerk/pending.pck judging from the
environment information) is corrupt. You could try just removing it or
moving it aside and see what happens.

If you try bin/dumpdb on the pending.pck do you get the same EOFError?

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Sat Apr 16 03:56:18 2005
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 10:56:18 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] encoding errors
In-Reply-To: <PC17452005041515323505468d14a845@msapiro>
References: <PC17452005041515323505468d14a845@msapiro>
Message-ID: <426070C2.80704@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Heather Madrone wrote:

>>>>> Does anyone know why there are so many encoding errors with posts to this
>>>>> list?

> I thought that was also the case when the body was encoded
> quoted-printable or base64. I'm still pretty sure it is the case with
> base64, but apparently it isn't the case with quoted-printable.
> 
> What is happening here is the original post has
> 
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This bug should go away if python.org mailman is upgraded to 2.1.6.

Cheers,

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/



From kkniepkamp at genetics.wustl.edu  Sat Apr 16 04:08:04 2005
From: kkniepkamp at genetics.wustl.edu (Kyle Kniepkamp)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:08:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allowing only users from a domain to post tolist
In-Reply-To: <PC1745200504151700490781eb1a075e@msapiro>
References: <PC1745200504151700490781eb1a075e@msapiro>
Message-ID: <42607384.2070307@genetics.wustl.edu>

Actually, I figured it out. A combination of things.

1. We are migrating from Postfix mailing lists and I turned off the old 
list in the wrong aliases (/etc/aliases when it should have been 
/etc/postfix/aliases) file. My fault...

2. I had "^.*@mydomain\.edu" but was sending mail from @sub.domain.edu 
which wasn't working so I had to add "^.*@*\.mydomain\.edu" to the 
"Accept_these_nonmembers" as well.

Thanks for your help though, wouldn't have figured out the 
^.*@mydomain\.edu part without help.

Kyle Kniepkamp




Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Kyle Kniepkamp wrote:
>
>  
>
>>The only thing I have in *accept_these_nonmembers *is
>>
>>^.*@mydomain\.edu
>>    
>>
>
>Are you running a current Mailman version with an appropriate Python
>version? If so, I'm out of ideas, sorry.
>
>--
>Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
>San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>  
>


From foto at eljee.nl  Fri Apr 15 15:06:18 2005
From: foto at eljee.nl (Foto Eljee, L.J.Bergwerff)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:06:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error when trying to signup through the web.. 
Message-ID: <425FBC4A.1070808@eljee.nl>

Hi All,
I got a nasty problem. When people try to signup I get this error on the 
webpage.


    Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5


      We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, 
but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.

mailman-users at python.org

HERE THE OUTPU OF THE ERROR LOG:


Apr 15 14:00:52 2005 admin(15548): 
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(15548): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.5 -----]
admin(15548): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(15548): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(15548):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 101, in run_main
admin(15548):     main()
admin(15548):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 96, 
in main
admin(15548):     process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata, language)
admin(15548):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 176, 
in process_form
admin(15548):     mlist.AddMember(userdesc, remote)
admin(15548):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 854, in 
AddMember
admin(15548):     cookie = self.pend_new(Pending.SUBSCRIPTION, userdesc)
admin(15548):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 65, in pend_new
admin(15548):     db = self.__load()
admin(15548):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 95, in __load
admin(15548):     return cPickle.load(fp)
admin(15548): EOFError
admin(15548): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(15548): sys.version     =   2.3.3 (#1, May  7 2004, 10:31:40)
[GCC 3.3.3 20040412 (Red Hat Linux 3.3.3-7)]
admin(15548): sys.executable  =   /usr/bin/python
admin(15548): sys.prefix      =   /usr
admin(15548): sys.exec_prefix =   /usr
admin(15548): sys.path        =   /usr
admin(15548): sys.platform    =   linux2
admin(15548): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(15548):   HTTP_REFERER: http://www.fotonetwerk.nl/
admin(15548):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/2.0.51 (Fedora)
admin(15548):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/subscribe
admin(15548):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: <address>Apache/2.0.51 (Fedora) Server 
at www.fotonetwerk.nl Port 80</address>
admin(15548):
admin(15548):   REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(15548):   HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300
admin(15548):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(15548):   QUERY_STRING: 
admin(15548):   CONTENT_LENGTH: 79
admin(15548):   HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
admin(15548):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 
5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050317 Firefox/1.0.2
admin(15548):   HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive
admin(15548):   SERVER_NAME: www.fotonetwerk.nl
admin(15548):   REMOTE_ADDR: 192.168.0.2
admin(15548):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /hosting/fotonetwerk.nl/www/nieuw-fotowerk
admin(15548):   SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(15548):   SERVER_ADDR: 62.216.17.61
admin(15548):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /hosting
admin(15548):   PYTHONPATH: /var/mailman
admin(15548):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /var/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe
admin(15548):   SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at eljee.nl
admin(15548):   fotonetwerk: 1
admin(15548):   HTTP_HOST: www.fotonetwerk.nl
admin(15548):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/subscribe/nieuw-fotowerk
admin(15548):   HTTP_ACCEPT: 
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5 

admin(15548):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(15548):   REMOTE_PORT: 2169
admin(15548):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us,en;q=0.5
admin(15548):   CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(15548):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip,deflate
admin(15548):   UNIQUE_ID: ZM9tKH8AAAEAACVlB at EAAAAM
admin(15548):   PATH_INFO: /nieuw-fotowerk



Anyone any idea's??
Thanks, Eljee


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sat Apr 16 10:20:03 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:20:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] encoding errors
In-Reply-To: <426070C2.80704@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
References: <PC17452005041515323505468d14a845@msapiro>
	<426070C2.80704@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <p06200701be867b21448a@[10.0.1.2]>

At 10:56 AM +0900 2005-04-16, Tokio Kikuchi wrote:

>  This bug should go away if python.org mailman is upgraded to 2.1.6.

	Which Barry is working on.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From marioca789 at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 16 18:53:18 2005
From: marioca789 at hotmail.com (marioca)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:53:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing posts
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV17B39B6191CB80CD8FD7C283370@phx.gbl>

Can anyone help out with this problem.  We have had subscribers missing posts in the past and it has happened again. Here is the most recent sequence of events in which subscribers did not get which post:

1. Earthlink subscriber posts to list
2. VTR.net (from Chile) subscriber responded to #1
3. Mindspring subscriber received post by #2 but not #1
4. Hotmail subscriber received #3 post but not #1 and #2

Has any one else experienced this or have an idea about what is causing certain people not to get certain messages?

Thanks.
marioca  

From msapiro at value.net  Sat Apr 16 19:14:23 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 10:14:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing posts
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV17B39B6191CB80CD8FD7C283370@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <PC17452005041610142307347987afd5@msapiro>

mariocawrote:

>Can anyone help out with this problem.  We have had subscribers missing posts in the past and it has happened again. Here is the most recent sequence of events in which subscribers did not get which post:
>
>1. Earthlink subscriber posts to list
>2. VTR.net (from Chile) subscriber responded to #1
>3. Mindspring subscriber received post by #2 but not #1
>4. Hotmail subscriber received #3 post but not #1 and #2
>
>Has any one else experienced this or have an idea about what is causing certain people not to get certain messages?


It is probably one of two things:

1) Transient situations causing delivery delay or failure. Message may
eventually by delivered. Check your outgoing MTA queues to see if
messages are still queued. Check your mailman 'bounce' and
'smtp-failure' logs.

2) Spam filtering by the recipient or the recipient's ISP

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From heather at madrone.com  Sat Apr 16 19:30:56 2005
From: heather at madrone.com (Heather Madrone)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 10:30:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing posts
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV17B39B6191CB80CD8FD7C283370@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY18-DAV17B39B6191CB80CD8FD7C283370@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <p06210216be86fbb9a64e@[192.168.123.100]>

At 9:53 AM -0700 4/16/05, marioca wrote:
>Can anyone help out with this problem.  We have had subscribers missing posts in the past and it has happened again. Here is the most recent sequence of events in which subscribers did not get which post:
>
>1. Earthlink subscriber posts to list
>2. VTR.net (from Chile) subscriber responded to #1
>3. Mindspring subscriber received post by #2 but not #1
>4. Hotmail subscriber received #3 post but not #1 and #2
>
>Has any one else experienced this or have an idea about what is
>causing certain people not to get certain messages?

If you take a look at your MTA logs, you should be able to see if the deliveries
are failing at your end.  If not, I'd suggest that the subscribers check their
spam filters.  A lot of spam filters handle lists badly, and the subscriber might
need to fish list posts out of the spam folder and add posters to their whitelist.

-- 
Heather Madrone  (heather at madrone.com)  http://www.madrone.com

A rolling stone gathers no mass.


From marioca789 at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 16 19:47:33 2005
From: marioca789 at hotmail.com (marioca)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 10:47:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing posts
References: <PC17452005041610142307347987afd5@msapiro>
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV14350D8FFD9B84C532699583370@phx.gbl>

Hi Mark and Heather,

Thanks for your tips.
How do I go about checking the MTA queues and where are the bounce and 
SMTP-failure logs?  Have never done that and am new to mailman.

I just checked the "pending moderator requests". Everything's clear there.

Also checked the bounce notification section:
"Should Mailman send you, the list owner, any bounce messages that failed to 
be detected by the bounce processor? Yes is recommended."
For some reason this was set to No. I just changed it to Yes. The two others 
below it are set to No--are these the default settings?

Am grateful for your taking time to help.
marioca

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Sapiro" <msapiro at value.net>
To: "marioca" <marioca789 at hotmail.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] missing posts


> mariocawrote:
>
>>Can anyone help out with this problem.  We have had subscribers missing 
>>posts in the past and it has happened again. Here is the most recent 
>>sequence of events in which subscribers did not get which post:
>>
>>1. Earthlink subscriber posts to list
>>2. VTR.net (from Chile) subscriber responded to #1
>>3. Mindspring subscriber received post by #2 but not #1
>>4. Hotmail subscriber received #3 post but not #1 and #2
>>
>>Has any one else experienced this or have an idea about what is causing 
>>certain people not to get certain messages?
>
>
> It is probably one of two things:
>
> 1) Transient situations causing delivery delay or failure. Message may
> eventually by delivered. Check your outgoing MTA queues to see if
> messages are still queued. Check your mailman 'bounce' and
> 'smtp-failure' logs.
>
> 2) Spam filtering by the recipient or the recipient's ISP
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan 


From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Sat Apr 16 19:53:03 2005
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:53:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode
	character u'\xd6' in position 5: ordinal not in range(128)
In-Reply-To: <20050415144252.GN15969@charite.de>
References: <20050415144252.GN15969@charite.de>
Message-ID: <20050416175303.GG6948@charite.de>

* Ralf Hildebrandt <Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de>:
> I get the error:

This is version 2.1.6b4

-- 
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Charite - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin            Tel.  +49 (0)30-450 570-155
Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-Berlin    Fax.  +49 (0)30-450 570-962
IT-Zentrum Standort CBF                 send no mail to spamtrap at charite.de


From msapiro at value.net  Sat Apr 16 21:21:18 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 12:21:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing posts
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV14350D8FFD9B84C532699583370@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <PC174520050416122118053188001405@msapiro>

marioca wrote:
>
>Thanks for your tips.
>How do I go about checking the MTA queues and where are the bounce and 
>SMTP-failure logs?  Have never done that and am new to mailman.


You need shell access (command line access) to the server that hosts
Mailman. If your Mailman is hosted by a service rather than on your
own server, and you don't have 'login' access to that server, you
probably can't see these things.

Mailman's logs may be in /var/mailman/logs/ or as defined by the
LOG_DIR variable in mm_cfg.py or Defaults.py.

MTA logs and queues depend on the MTA, but you can usually see what's
in the queues with the 'mailq' command.


>I just checked the "pending moderator requests". Everything's clear there.
>
>Also checked the bounce notification section:
>"Should Mailman send you, the list owner, any bounce messages that failed to 
>be detected by the bounce processor? Yes is recommended."
>For some reason this was set to No. I just changed it to Yes. The two others 
>below it are set to No--are these the default settings?


The defaults for new lists are set by the installation in mm_cfg.py.
The default for the defaults is "Yes" for all 3.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From probsdorg at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 16 22:00:41 2005
From: probsdorg at yahoo.com (probsd org)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 13:00:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderator passwords / login
Message-ID: <20050416200041.44884.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com>

I need to add a password for moderators to
approve/deny post to my mailing list. As the
administrative user, I got to the section passwords,
and set a moderator password and click Submit. Then,
under general options, I set two or three email
addresses as moderators. The moderators are getting
notices that messages are awaiting approval, but
cannot login to the
http://tld.org/mailman/admin/list-name URL to approve
or deny the messages.

Mark


		
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From ler at lerctr.org  Sun Apr 17 00:58:32 2005
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:58:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderator passwords / login
In-Reply-To: <20050416200041.44884.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050416200041.44884.qmail@web52404.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200504161758.32981.ler@lerctr.org>

On Saturday 16 April 2005 03:00 pm, probsd org wrote:
> I need to add a password for moderators to
> approve/deny post to my mailing list. As the
> administrative user, I got to the section passwords,
> and set a moderator password and click Submit. Then,
> under general options, I set two or three email
> addresses as moderators. The moderators are getting
> notices that messages are awaiting approval, but
> cannot login to the
> http://tld.org/mailman/admin/list-name URL to approve
> or deny the messages.
>
they need to login to:
http://tld.org/mailman/admindb/list-name 
URL to approve messages.


> Mark
>
>
>
> __________________________________
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> http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide
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From trevortwine at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 08:13:59 2005
From: trevortwine at gmail.com (Health watch)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:13:59 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT
Message-ID: <567c5c1c05041623132e101dad@mail.gmail.com>

How do I turn off the incoming mailman messages????

-- 
Have healthy days-nights
see how2 here:www.ahealthylonglife.com


From bartoszx at euro26.pl  Sun Apr 17 10:04:18 2005
From: bartoszx at euro26.pl (bart)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:04:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] you are not allowed to post
Message-ID: <486318566.20050417100418@euro26.pl>

Hi
I am newbe in mailman subject.
I had no problem to install mailman it went smooth and nice.
After successful instalation I opened web interface > Membership
Management... > Mass Subscription  and I added a few email adresses.
Each of them received  "Welcome to the "trip" mailing list" email

"
To post to this list, send your email to:

  trip at myserver.ltd
"

So it looks like everything is ok but if I try to send post to the
list my email is bounced with following messsage

You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
mailman-owner at myserver.ltd

any idea what i did wrong?



From tyoggev at 013.net  Sun Apr 17 09:06:15 2005
From: tyoggev at 013.net (Tamara Yoggev)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:06:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to modify subscriber settings across all lists?
Message-ID: <015201c5431b$f25d35a0$310aa8c0@aish2.local>

Hi,

I'm sure this question has been asked before. but I searched and googled and couldn't find a straight forward answer. 
So if someone could answer me, or point me in the right direction, I'd be highly appreciative.

Is there a way, and if there is what is it, to modify a subscribers information, 
across all lists?
for example: change a subscribers email address, without having to go into each list and find him there.

Thanks,
Tamara


From relson at osagesoftware.com  Sun Apr 17 16:58:38 2005
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:58:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm.arch
Message-ID: <20050417105838.6f7de3dd@osage.osagesoftware.com>

Greetings,

I think I've encountered a gotcha with mm.arch.

In May 2004 I brought up mailman with list archives (from another
program).  All went well, AFAICT.  A few days ago the listserver's
hard drive crashed and I rebuilt the list archives from the monthly
mbox files.  I was very surprised to see that the newly created
archives had zillions of messages in the 2004-May directories and
nothing for prior months.

Looking at the YYYY-Month.txt mbox files, I saw that all messages
earlier than May 2004 had "Date: Mon May  3 hh:mm:dd 2004" lines,
i.e. the Date: line shows when mm.arch is run.

This seems wrong.  From mm.arch's help message and the mbox file
format, it seems that rebuilding with:

  cat mylist/*.txt > mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox
  mm.arch --wipe --quiet mylist mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox

should produce the same archive as when you start.

It seems that my ideas for rebuilding don't quite fit with reality.
What am I overlooking?

Thanks.

David

P.S.  My solution to this problem was a perl script that extracts the
date from the "^From " line and puts it in the Date: line.  It's not a
wonderful solution, but it works.  (If I knew python better, I'd write
fix.archive.dates.py to handle this situation).


From relson at osagesoftware.com  Sun Apr 17 17:00:02 2005
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 11:00:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT
In-Reply-To: <567c5c1c05041623132e101dad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <567c5c1c05041623132e101dad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050417110002.651bcf83@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:13:59 +0700
Health watch wrote:

> How do I turn off the incoming mailman messages????
> 
> -- 
> Have healthy days-nights
> see how2 here:www.ahealthylonglife.com
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/relson%40osagesoftware.com
> 
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If you want to unsubscribe, use the link at the end of every message
from the list :-)



From msapiro at value.net  Sun Apr 17 17:55:39 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 08:55:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT
In-Reply-To: <567c5c1c05041623132e101dad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC17452005041708553908434609b192@msapiro>

Health watch <trevortwine at gmail.com> wrote:

>How do I turn off the incoming mailman messages????

If you're talking about mail from this list (mailman-users at python.org),
there is an Unsubscribe link at the bottom of each message.

If you're talking about mail from some other list, see the manual at
http://www.list.org/mailman-member/index.html

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sun Apr 17 18:46:06 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:46:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm.arch
In-Reply-To: <20050417105838.6f7de3dd@osage.osagesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <PC174520050417094606045392d02b2b@msapiro>

David Relson wrote:
>
>I think I've encountered a gotcha with mm.arch.

I'm confused. do you mean bin/arch or are you talking about some older
Mailman that I don't know about?

>In May 2004 I brought up mailman with list archives (from another
>program).  All went well, AFAICT.  A few days ago the listserver's
>hard drive crashed and I rebuilt the list archives from the monthly
>mbox files.  I was very surprised to see that the newly created
>archives had zillions of messages in the 2004-May directories and
>nothing for prior months.
>
>Looking at the YYYY-Month.txt mbox files, I saw that all messages
>earlier than May 2004 had "Date: Mon May  3 hh:mm:dd 2004" lines,
>i.e. the Date: line shows when mm.arch is run.


Yes. It appears that when an archive is built with bin/arch, the Date:
header in the YYYY-Month.txt files is the date that bin/arch is run.
That surprised me too.


>This seems wrong.  From mm.arch's help message and the mbox file
>format, it seems that rebuilding with:
>
>  cat mylist/*.txt > mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox
>  mm.arch --wipe --quiet mylist mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox
>
>should produce the same archive as when you start.

My question is why are you using the above process to create a global
mylist.mbox file instead of just using the existing one.

If you built your archive initially by creating a
mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox file with your imported archives and then
running bin/arch. Then the archiver would continue to append new
messages to mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox and this will always be a complete
archive that can be used as input to bin/arch --wipe


>It seems that my ideas for rebuilding don't quite fit with reality.
>What am I overlooking?


Actually, I am surprised that what you did had this result. I thought
the bin/arch process used the date from the "From " line and not the
Date: header. I thought I remembered from my archive import struggles
that the date had to be correct in the "From " line.


>P.S.  My solution to this problem was a perl script that extracts the
>date from the "^From " line and puts it in the Date: line.  It's not a
>wonderful solution, but it works.  (If I knew python better, I'd write
>fix.archive.dates.py to handle this situation).


That would probably be useful, and one to put the address and date from
the From: and Date: into the "From " would help with some archive
import situations.


--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sun Apr 17 19:05:28 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:05:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] you are not allowed to post
In-Reply-To: <486318566.20050417100418@euro26.pl>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504171005280718d36a8a0a@msapiro>

bart wrote:
>
>So it looks like everything is ok but if I try to send post to the
>list my email is bounced with following messsage
>
>You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
>been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
>being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
>mailman-owner at myserver.ltd
>
>any idea what i did wrong?

That message results when a non-member attempts to post and the
non-member is either in reject_these_nonmembers or the
generic_nonmember_action is Reject.

So, did you post from a subscribed (member) address? If not, either
subscribe your address or add your address to accept_these_nonmembers
(all these settings are on Privacy options...->Sender filters). Note
that simply making yourself an 'owner' or 'moderator' does not make
you a member.

If you think you did post from a subscribed address, perhaps you have
set USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = Yes in mm_cfg.py and the envelope sender of
your post is different from your address. 

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From bartoszx at euro26.pl  Sun Apr 17 19:45:53 2005
From: bartoszx at euro26.pl (bart)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 19:45:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] you are not allowed to post
In-Reply-To: <PC1745200504171005280718d36a8a0a@msapiro>
References: <486318566.20050417100418@euro26.pl>
	<PC1745200504171005280718d36a8a0a@msapiro>
Message-ID: <1214350824.20050417194553@euro26.pl>


> If you think you did post from a subscribed address, perhaps you have
> set USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = Yes in mm_cfg.py and the envelope sender of
> your post is different from your address. 

I sent from subscribed user me at mydomain.ltd and I see in log me at mydomian.ltd bounced
I added  USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = Yes to mm_cfg.py but no changes





From msapiro at value.net  Sun Apr 17 19:50:56 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:50:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to modify subscriber settings across all
	lists?
In-Reply-To: <015201c5431b$f25d35a0$310aa8c0@aish2.local>
Message-ID: <PC174520050417105056034303f16faf@msapiro>

Tamara Yoggev <tyoggev at 013.net>
   Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:06:15 +0200
     To: mailman-users at python.org
>
>Is there a way, and if there is what is it, to modify a subscribers information, 
>across all lists?
>for example: change a subscribers email address, without having to go into each list and find him there.

Certain settings on the user's options page have a "set globally" check
box. These include e-mail address, real name, and a few others. As a
list admin, you can go to one of your subscribers options page from
the membership list pages and globally change any option that has a
"set globally" check box. In the case of an e-mail address change, the
user will still be sent a confirmation at the new address which must
be accepted before the change is effective. The other changes take
effect immediately.

If you want to change something that doesn't have a "set globally"
check box, you would need to create a withlist script to do it.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Sun Apr 17 20:15:48 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 11:15:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] you are not allowed to post
In-Reply-To: <1214350824.20050417194553@euro26.pl>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504171115480281b9bd1dc9@msapiro>

bart wrote:
>
>I sent from subscribed user me at mydomain.ltd and I see in log me at mydomian.ltd bounced
>I added  USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = Yes to mm_cfg.py but no changes

I'm confused. Initially, you said you got a reject message when you
tried to post. Now you say you see something in the bounce log. Have
things changed?

Can you be more specific as to the actual behavior and messages you are
currently seeing.

You may find FAQ article 3.14 of help.
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From bartoszx at euro26.pl  Sun Apr 17 20:24:11 2005
From: bartoszx at euro26.pl (bart)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:24:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] you are not allowed to post
In-Reply-To: <PC1745200504171115480281b9bd1dc9@msapiro>
References: <1214350824.20050417194553@euro26.pl>
	<PC1745200504171115480281b9bd1dc9@msapiro>
Message-ID: <522944016.20050417202411@euro26.pl>

Witaj Mark,

W Twoim li?cie datowanym 17 kwietnia 2005 (20:15:48) mo?na przeczyta?:

> bart wrote:
>>
>>I sent from subscribed user me at mydomain.ltd and I see in log me at mydomian.ltd bounced
>>I added  USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = Yes to mm_cfg.py but no changes

> I'm confused. Initially, you said you got a reject message when you
> tried to post. Now you say you see something in the bounce log. Have
> things changed?

Sorry for that mess
I got rejected message with "you are not allowed to post" and sendmail
logs showed from=<mailman-bounces at mydomain.ltd>

> Can you be more specific as to the actual behavior and messages you are
> currently seeing.

I finaly found the problem.
I created wrong aliasses because I added somthing like this to my
aliasses

mytrip:               mailman
mailman:              "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
mailman-admin:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
mailman-bounces:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
mailman-confirm:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman"
mailman-join:         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
mailman-leave:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
mailman-owner:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
mailman-request:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman"
mailman-subscribe:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
mailman-unsubscribe:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman"

but mailman is totaly difrent list than mytrip
I corrected my mistake and now all work like a charm.




From relson at osagesoftware.com  Sun Apr 17 20:42:41 2005
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:42:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm.arch
In-Reply-To: <PC174520050417094606045392d02b2b@msapiro>
References: <20050417105838.6f7de3dd@osage.osagesoftware.com>
	<PC174520050417094606045392d02b2b@msapiro>
Message-ID: <20050417144241.491b0d8b@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:46:06 -0700
Mark Sapiro wrote:

> David Relson wrote:
> >
> >I think I've encountered a gotcha with mm.arch.
> 
> I'm confused. do you mean bin/arch or are you talking about some older
> Mailman that I don't know about?


> 
> >In May 2004 I brought up mailman with list archives (from another
> >program).  All went well, AFAICT.  A few days ago the listserver's
> >hard drive crashed and I rebuilt the list archives from the monthly
> >mbox files.  I was very surprised to see that the newly created
> >archives had zillions of messages in the 2004-May directories and
> >nothing for prior months.
> >
> >Looking at the YYYY-Month.txt mbox files, I saw that all messages
> >earlier than May 2004 had "Date: Mon May  3 hh:mm:dd 2004" lines,
> >i.e. the Date: line shows when mm.arch is run.
> 
> 
> Yes. It appears that when an archive is built with bin/arch, the Date:
> header in the YYYY-Month.txt files is the date that bin/arch is run.
> That surprised me too.
> 
> 
> >This seems wrong.  From mm.arch's help message and the mbox file
> >format, it seems that rebuilding with:
> >
> >  cat mylist/*.txt > mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox
> >  mm.arch --wipe --quiet mylist mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox
> >
> >should produce the same archive as when you start.
> 
> My question is why are you using the above process to create a global
> mylist.mbox file instead of just using the existing one.
> 
> If you built your archive initially by creating a
> mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox file with your imported archives and then
> running bin/arch. Then the archiver would continue to append new
> messages to mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox and this will always be a complete
> archive that can be used as input to bin/arch --wipe
> 
> 
> >It seems that my ideas for rebuilding don't quite fit with reality.
> >What am I overlooking?
> 
> 
> Actually, I am surprised that what you did had this result. I thought
> the bin/arch process used the date from the "From " line and not the
> Date: header. I thought I remembered from my archive import struggles
> that the date had to be correct in the "From " line.
> 
> 
> >P.S.  My solution to this problem was a perl script that extracts the
> >date from the "^From " line and puts it in the Date: line.  It's not a
> >wonderful solution, but it works.  (If I knew python better, I'd write
> >fix.archive.dates.py to handle this situation).
> 
> 
> That would probably be useful, and one to put the address and date from
> the From: and Date: into the "From " would help with some archive
> import situations.
> 
> 
> --
> Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


-- 
David Relson                   Osage Software Systems, Inc.
relson at osagesoftware.com       Ann Arbor, MI 48103
www.osagesoftware.com          tel:  734.821.8800


From relson at osagesoftware.com  Sun Apr 17 20:43:02 2005
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:43:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm.arch
In-Reply-To: <PC174520050417094606045392d02b2b@msapiro>
References: <20050417105838.6f7de3dd@osage.osagesoftware.com>
	<PC174520050417094606045392d02b2b@msapiro>
Message-ID: <20050417144302.70cc397a@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:46:06 -0700
Mark Sapiro wrote:

> David Relson wrote:
> >
> >I think I've encountered a gotcha with mm.arch.
> 
> I'm confused. do you mean bin/arch or are you talking about some older
> Mailman that I don't know about?

M
> 
> >In May 2004 I brought up mailman with list archives (from another
> >program).  All went well, AFAICT.  A few days ago the listserver's
> >hard drive crashed and I rebuilt the list archives from the monthly
> >mbox files.  I was very surprised to see that the newly created
> >archives had zillions of messages in the 2004-May directories and
> >nothing for prior months.
> >
> >Looking at the YYYY-Month.txt mbox files, I saw that all messages
> >earlier than May 2004 had "Date: Mon May  3 hh:mm:dd 2004" lines,
> >i.e. the Date: line shows when mm.arch is run.
> 
> 
> Yes. It appears that when an archive is built with bin/arch, the Date:
> header in the YYYY-Month.txt files is the date that bin/arch is run.
> That surprised me too.
> 
> 
> >This seems wrong.  From mm.arch's help message and the mbox file
> >format, it seems that rebuilding with:
> >
> >  cat mylist/*.txt > mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox
> >  mm.arch --wipe --quiet mylist mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox
> >
> >should produce the same archive as when you start.
> 
> My question is why are you using the above process to create a global
> mylist.mbox file instead of just using the existing one.
> 
> If you built your archive initially by creating a
> mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox file with your imported archives and then
> running bin/arch. Then the archiver would continue to append new
> messages to mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox and this will always be a complete
> archive that can be used as input to bin/arch --wipe
> 
> 
> >It seems that my ideas for rebuilding don't quite fit with reality.
> >What am I overlooking?
> 
> 
> Actually, I am surprised that what you did had this result. I thought
> the bin/arch process used the date from the "From " line and not the
> Date: header. I thought I remembered from my archive import struggles
> that the date had to be correct in the "From " line.
> 
> 
> >P.S.  My solution to this problem was a perl script that extracts the
> >date from the "^From " line and puts it in the Date: line.  It's not a
> >wonderful solution, but it works.  (If I knew python better, I'd write
> >fix.archive.dates.py to handle this situation).
> 
> 
> That would probably be useful, and one to put the address and date from
> the From: and Date: into the "From " would help with some archive
> import situations.
> 
> 
> --
> Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


-- 
David Relson                   Osage Software Systems, Inc.
relson at osagesoftware.com       Ann Arbor, MI 48103
www.osagesoftware.com          tel:  734.821.8800


From relson at osagesoftware.com  Sun Apr 17 20:57:23 2005
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:57:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm.arch
In-Reply-To: <PC174520050417094606045392d02b2b@msapiro>
References: <20050417105838.6f7de3dd@osage.osagesoftware.com>
	<PC174520050417094606045392d02b2b@msapiro>
Message-ID: <20050417145723.0809e436@osage.osagesoftware.com>

Hello Mark,

First, sorry about the 2 null replies.  Somehow, letter "y" got mapped
to "send message" which makes writing a message really tough.

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:46:06 -0700
Mark Sapiro wrote:

> David Relson wrote:
> >
> >I think I've encountered a gotcha with mm.arch.
> 
> I'm confused. do you mean bin/arch or are you talking about some older
> Mailman that I don't know about?

My mistake.  For convenience, I've got a symlink from bin/arch to
mm.arch.

> >In May 2004 I brought up mailman with list archives (from another
> >program).  All went well, AFAICT.  A few days ago the listserver's
> >hard drive crashed and I rebuilt the list archives from the monthly
> >mbox files.  I was very surprised to see that the newly created
> >archives had zillions of messages in the 2004-May directories and
> >nothing for prior months.
> >
> >Looking at the YYYY-Month.txt mbox files, I saw that all messages
> >earlier than May 2004 had "Date: Mon May  3 hh:mm:dd 2004" lines,
> >i.e. the Date: line shows when mm.arch is run.
> 
> 
> Yes. It appears that when an archive is built with bin/arch, the Date:
> header in the YYYY-Month.txt files is the date that bin/arch is run.
> That surprised me too.

It makes sense for mailman to record when it first sees a message, and
Date: is the logical place for that.

> >This seems wrong.  From mm.arch's help message and the mbox file
> >format, it seems that rebuilding with:
> >
> >  cat mylist/*.txt > mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox
> >  mm.arch --wipe --quiet mylist mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox
> >
> >should produce the same archive as when you start.
> 
> My question is why are you using the above process to create a global
> mylist.mbox file instead of just using the existing one.

The help message for arch suggests that

   arch --wipe mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox

can be used to rebuild the mailing list archive.  Since I was
rebuilding the server and wasn't sure of the state of things, this
seemed like the right thing to do.


> If you built your archive initially by creating a
> mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox file with your imported archives and then
> running bin/arch. Then the archiver would continue to append new
> messages to mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox and this will always be a complete
> archive that can be used as input to bin/arch --wipe

Complete, except that messages before day 1 (of the mailman era) will
be put into directory "month 1" (of the mailman era).


> >It seems that my ideas for rebuilding don't quite fit with reality.
> >What am I overlooking?
> 
> 
> Actually, I am surprised that what you did had this result. I thought
> the bin/arch process used the date from the "From " line and not the
> Date: header. I thought I remembered from my archive import struggles
> that the date had to be correct in the "From " line.

Using the date in the "From " line would have done what I want.  I'd be
happy with an option to enable that behavior.  As that line is known as
the "envelope", perhaps option "--envelope-date" or "--envelope" would
be appropriate.

Perhaps at one time, the envelope date _was_ used by arch and a "bug
fix" changed the behavior.


> >P.S.  My solution to this problem was a perl script that extracts the
> >date from the "^From " line and puts it in the Date: line.  It's not a
> >wonderful solution, but it works.  (If I knew python better, I'd write
> >fix.archive.dates.py to handle this situation).
> 
> 
> That would probably be useful, and one to put the address and date from
> the From: and Date: into the "From " would help with some archive
> import situations.

Indeed, those options would make for a useful utility.

Regards,

David


From msapiro at value.net  Sun Apr 17 21:57:33 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 12:57:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm.arch
In-Reply-To: <20050417145723.0809e436@osage.osagesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504171257330328e45a3aa9@msapiro>

David Relson wrote:
>
>On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:46:06 -0700
>Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>> If you built your archive initially by creating a
>> mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox file with your imported archives and then
>> running bin/arch. Then the archiver would continue to append new
>> messages to mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox and this will always be a complete
>> archive that can be used as input to bin/arch --wipe
>
>Complete, except that messages before day 1 (of the mailman era) will
>be put into directory "month 1" (of the mailman era).

I understand that's what happened in this case where you rebuilt
mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox by concatenating all the monthly .txt files.
What I'm questioning/suggesting is why do this concatenation. If you
created an initial archive in May of 2004 by running bin/arch against
some imported/created global mbox format archive, you could have named
that file mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox and then Mailman would have appended
new messages to that file so that in April 2005, it would be a
complete mbox with all messages with correct dates. Then a simple

bin/arch --wipe mylist

Would rebuild the entire archive with correct dates.

Even if you didn't leave that imported archive mbox as
mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox, if you kept it somewhere, you could have
rebuilt the archive now with

bin/arch --wipe mylist path/to/imported.mbox
bin/arch mylist

Which would first build the archive up to May 2004 and then add
messages since then.

The point is that the mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox file is kept up to date
by the archiving process so it alone or possibly it together with an
imported mbox can always be used to create a new archive. The monthly
.txt files should only be used as a last resort in case the overall
mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox is corrupt or unrecoverable.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From relson at osagesoftware.com  Sun Apr 17 22:28:36 2005
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 16:28:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm.arch
In-Reply-To: <PC1745200504171257330328e45a3aa9@msapiro>
References: <20050417145723.0809e436@osage.osagesoftware.com>
	<PC1745200504171257330328e45a3aa9@msapiro>
Message-ID: <20050417162836.31247808@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 12:57:33 -0700
Mark Sapiro wrote:

> David Relson wrote:
> >
> >On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:46:06 -0700
> >Mark Sapiro wrote:
> >
> >> If you built your archive initially by creating a
> >> mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox file with your imported archives and then
> >> running bin/arch. Then the archiver would continue to append new
> >> messages to mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox and this will always be a complete
> >> archive that can be used as input to bin/arch --wipe
> >
> >Complete, except that messages before day 1 (of the mailman era) will
> >be put into directory "month 1" (of the mailman era).
> 
> I understand that's what happened in this case where you rebuilt
> mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox by concatenating all the monthly .txt files.
> What I'm questioning/suggesting is why do this concatenation. If you
> created an initial archive in May of 2004 by running bin/arch against
> some imported/created global mbox format archive, you could have named
> that file mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox and then Mailman would have appended
> new messages to that file so that in April 2005, it would be a
> complete mbox with all messages with correct dates. Then a simple
> 
> bin/arch --wipe mylist

That's what I had hoped to do, but it's not what happened :-)

> 
> Would rebuild the entire archive with correct dates.
> 
> Even if you didn't leave that imported archive mbox as
> mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox, if you kept it somewhere, you could have
> rebuilt the archive now with
> 
> bin/arch --wipe mylist path/to/imported.mbox
> bin/arch mylist
> 
> Which would first build the archive up to May 2004 and then add
> messages since then.
> 
> The point is that the mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox file is kept up to date
> by the archiving process so it alone or possibly it together with an
> imported mbox can always be used to create a new archive. The monthly
> .txt files should only be used as a last resort in case the overall
> mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox is corrupt or unrecoverable.

Mark,

Unfortunately, I don't know the full history of mylist.mbox.  I don't
recall mucking with the mbox file and May 2004 was quite a while ago
and there's no telling.  I don't _think_ I did anything with the mbox
file -- especially since I use the .mbx extension and don't recall
seeing a .mbox file before the recent problems.

I _do_ notice that the messages added via bin/arch haven't been added
to mylist.mbox (which has a Feb date as I write this), which doesn't
sound like the expected behavior.

Regards,

David



From msapiro at value.net  Sun Apr 17 23:08:28 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:08:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm.arch
In-Reply-To: <20050417162836.31247808@osage.osagesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <PC1745200504171408280140b1a10b88@msapiro>

David Relson wrote:
>
>Unfortunately, I don't know the full history of mylist.mbox.  I don't
>recall mucking with the mbox file and May 2004 was quite a while ago
>and there's no telling.  I don't _think_ I did anything with the mbox
>file -- especially since I use the .mbx extension and don't recall
>seeing a .mbox file before the recent problems.
>
>I _do_ notice that the messages added via bin/arch haven't been added
>to mylist.mbox (which has a Feb date as I write this), which doesn't
>sound like the expected behavior.

Unless you have set ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 0 in mm_cfg.py (presumably it's
not -1 or 1 since if it were you'd have no pipermail archives at all),
the archiving process will append each new archived message to the
archives/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox file. bin/arch doesn't do
this because in normal operation it is reading this file to rebuild
the archive.

If I understand correctly what has been done in your case, you
overwrote this file with the equivalent of

cd archives/private
cat mylist/*.txt > mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox

and then ran

path/to/bin/arch --wipe mylist mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox

which is equivalent to just

path/to/bin/arch --wipe mylist

which resulted in a problem because the Date: headers in the *.txt
files for messages that were originally archived with a previous
bin/arch were all the date of the bin/arch run instead of their
original dates.

It also caused a second problem which you may not be aware of or care
about, but the 'cat' caused a reording of the messages in the
mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox file which caused the archive messages to be
numbered differently in the rebuilt archive which invalidates any
saved URLs to archived messages.

You then fixed the first problem by processing the
mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox file with a perl script to put the date from
the "From " separator into the Date: header and reran bin/arch.

This is probably the best you can do at this point, but now, if my
above understanding is correct, you have a
archives/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox file which is complete and
has correct Date: headers. Again, assuming ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX has its
default value of 2, new messages will be appended to this file, so if
in the future you ever need to rebuild the archive, you just use this
file directly and not the individual *.txt files.


--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From relson at osagesoftware.com  Sun Apr 17 23:33:45 2005
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 17:33:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm.arch
In-Reply-To: <PC1745200504171408280140b1a10b88@msapiro>
References: <20050417162836.31247808@osage.osagesoftware.com>
	<PC1745200504171408280140b1a10b88@msapiro>
Message-ID: <20050417173345.13900409@osage.osagesoftware.com>

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:08:28 -0700
Mark Sapiro wrote:

> David Relson wrote:
> >
> >Unfortunately, I don't know the full history of mylist.mbox.  I don't
> >recall mucking with the mbox file and May 2004 was quite a while ago
> >and there's no telling.  I don't _think_ I did anything with the mbox
> >file -- especially since I use the .mbx extension and don't recall
> >seeing a .mbox file before the recent problems.
> >
> >I _do_ notice that the messages added via bin/arch haven't been added
> >to mylist.mbox (which has a Feb date as I write this), which doesn't
> >sound like the expected behavior.
> 
> Unless you have set ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 0 in mm_cfg.py (presumably it's
> not -1 or 1 since if it were you'd have no pipermail archives at all),
> the archiving process will append each new archived message to the
> archives/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox file. bin/arch doesn't do
> this because in normal operation it is reading this file to rebuild
> the archive.
> 
> If I understand correctly what has been done in your case, you
> overwrote this file with the equivalent of
> 
> cd archives/private
> cat mylist/*.txt > mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox
> 
> and then ran
> 
> path/to/bin/arch --wipe mylist mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox
> 
> which is equivalent to just
> 
> path/to/bin/arch --wipe mylist
> 
> which resulted in a problem because the Date: headers in the *.txt
> files for messages that were originally archived with a previous
> bin/arch were all the date of the bin/arch run instead of their
> original dates.

Correct.

> It also caused a second problem which you may not be aware of or care
> about, but the 'cat' caused a reording of the messages in the
> mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox file which caused the archive messages to be
> numbered differently in the rebuilt archive which invalidates any
> saved URLs to archived messages.

Yes and that's been corrected (for the most part)  After realizing the
problem, I was able to load a fairly recent backup (presumably with the
correct message numbers).  Unfortunately, there's nothing to do about
very recent messages, but I can live with that.

> You then fixed the first problem by processing the
> mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox file with a perl script to put the date from
> the "From " separator into the Date: header and reran bin/arch.
> 
> This is probably the best you can do at this point, but now, if my
> above understanding is correct, you have a
> archives/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox file which is complete and
> has correct Date: headers. Again, assuming ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX has its
> default value of 2, new messages will be appended to this file, so if
> in the future you ever need to rebuild the archive, you just use this
> file directly and not the individual *.txt files.

Understood!



From benitawade at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 18 00:31:35 2005
From: benitawade at yahoo.com (benita wade)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 15:31:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] job search please
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050417223135.91562.qmail@web53001.mail.yahoo.com>


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From jwblist at olympus.net  Mon Apr 18 00:57:55 2005
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 15:57:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm.arch
In-Reply-To: <20050417145723.0809e436@osage.osagesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <BE883803.43EB%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 4/17/2005 11:57, "David Relson" <relson at osagesoftware.com> wrote:

> Using the date in the "From " line would have done what I want.  I'd be
> happy with an option to enable that behavior.  As that line is known as
> the "envelope", perhaps option "--envelope-date" or "--envelope" would
> be appropriate.

In my understanding of email, that's not the "envelope"...which is the SMTP
commands which "introduce" the messge.

The From line (no :, as you and Mark are both correctly saying) is an
artifact of the mbox storage format.  (The blank line preceding it and the
>From line form a message separator in mbox format.)

It's probably the best date available as long as Mailman stays with mbox,
given that users don't keep their clocks sensible, and most server operators
do.  That doesn't help with mailman lists run on machines whose operators
don't manage the clocks sensibly, but that's their problem.

  --John



From jwt at onjapan.net  Mon Apr 18 09:10:41 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:10:41 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Data directory/bounce-events-* files?
In-Reply-To: <E1DMHQ1-0005g7-NX@lerami.lerctr.org>
References: <E1DMHQ1-0005g7-NX@lerami.lerctr.org>
Message-ID: <758369b078ded3e7249d586c2f7185c1@onjapan.net>

On Apr 15, 2005, at 12:22, Larry Rosenman wrote:

> I have 178MEG of bounce-events-* files in my /data directory.
>
> Should these files be hanging around?

No.  It sounds like either:
  - your bounce queue runner isn't running
  - you've set REGISTER_BOUNCES_EVERY very large, so it hasn't processed 
the accumulated bounces lately
  - the time changed on the server (without restarting mailman) and it 
thinks it is still not time to process the bounces

I'd be inclined to just delete the old bounces (since some of them may 
be stale by now) and restart Mailman.

-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman



From jwt at onjapan.net  Mon Apr 18 09:17:34 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:17:34 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <4C53EFD92235424795F3B51D630AF89D65FA1E@2kserver.brixton-online.com>
References: <4C53EFD92235424795F3B51D630AF89D65FA1E@2kserver.brixton-online.com>
Message-ID: <1f6319a37bcac31ea639c2fb22c7e51f@onjapan.net>

On Apr 14, 2005, at 19:55, Sinh Quan wrote:

> I am trouble shooting a mailing list in which mails did not go to
> members.
> The list I am dealing with has nearly 7000 members and I don't want to
> send a test email to all of them.  I would like to send to just 1 for
> testing purposes.

Enabling VERP (for at least one posting) might be more effective.

> Is there a quick way of setting the no mail marker to all members 
> rather
> than 1 by 1 and then untick them again later?

Yes, you can do this with bin/withlist.  You will want to 
setDeliveryStatus(user, MemberAdaptor.BYADMIN) to set nomail.  Then to 
untick them, you will want to search for those that their delivery 
status set to BYADMIN and set it back to MemberAdaptor.ENABLED.

But checking the Mailman and MTA logs (especially with VERP enabled) 
seems more productive.
-- 
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Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman



From jwt at onjapan.net  Mon Apr 18 09:24:41 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:24:41 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifiy Subject
In-Reply-To: <r02010400-1038-C1F12709ADDB11D9B4DF000A95845562@[66.170.10.196]>
References: <r02010400-1038-C1F12709ADDB11D9B4DF000A95845562@[66.170.10.196]>
Message-ID: <0b8a5f90da1ef2c3b5e805d90fcd3e12@onjapan.net>

On Apr 16, 2005, at 03:25, Jess Mooers wrote:

> I have a list called New_Listing and it is for a client of mine called 
> CIREX.  I have modified the "Prefix for subject line of list 
> postings." to prepend [CIREX] to the subject.  However, I have noticed 
> that the [CIREX] is not prepended for the "Welcome" message or any 
> subscription messages for that matter.
>
> I have already created a list language template folder and am 
> successfully altering the stock messages for the list, but I can't 
> seem to handle the Subjects.

You'll have to modify the code (look at Mailman/Deliverer.py's 
SendSubscribeAck().  It crafts the message, and while it includes the 
list's name, it doesn't do it with the [] prefix notation.

-- 
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Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman



From ler at lerctr.org  Mon Apr 18 11:34:30 2005
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 04:34:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Data directory/bounce-events-* files?
In-Reply-To: <758369b078ded3e7249d586c2f7185c1@onjapan.net>
References: <E1DMHQ1-0005g7-NX@lerami.lerctr.org>
	<758369b078ded3e7249d586c2f7185c1@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <200504180434.30969.ler@lerctr.org>

On Monday 18 April 2005 02:10 am, Jim Tittsler wrote:
> On Apr 15, 2005, at 12:22, Larry Rosenman wrote:
> > I have 178MEG of bounce-events-* files in my /data directory.
> >
> > Should these files be hanging around?
>
> No.  It sounds like either:
>   - your bounce queue runner isn't running

It had been crashing, due to the Python 2.4.* issues.  Now fixed. 

>   - you've set REGISTER_BOUNCES_EVERY very large, so it hasn't processed
> the accumulated bounces lately

It's set to the default 15 minutes.

>   - the time changed on the server (without restarting mailman) and it
> thinks it is still not time to process the bounces

Just the DST Time Change (it's in US/Eastern).

>
> I'd be inclined to just delete the old bounces (since some of them may
> be stale by now) and restart Mailman.

Done, and THANKS!



-- 
Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
Phone: +1 214-351-4152                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
US Mail: 3535 Gaspar Drive, Dallas, TX 75220-3611


From matt at frii.com  Mon Apr 18 16:41:44 2005
From: matt at frii.com (Matt Ruzicka)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:41:44 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Sending Question.
In-Reply-To: <PC1745200504151749070750eb1a0715@msapiro>
References: <PC1745200504151749070750eb1a0715@msapiro>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504180841100.18999@elara.frii.com>

Great, thank you for the answer to this.

Matthew Ruzicka - Systems Administrator
Front Range Internet, Inc.
matt at frii.net - (970) 212-0728

Got SPAM?  Take back your email with MailArmory.  http://www.MailArmory.com

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Matt Ruzicka wrote:
> >
> >The question I have is, how long does that list of addresses need to stay
> >in the system after mailman receives the message to post and it starts
> >sending?
>
> By the time Mailman begins delivery to the MTA, Handlers/CalcRecips.py
> has already built the recipient list.
>
> >Looking in my logs I see that batches of messages are taking some time to
> >be sent, but has mailman already decided who all it is going to send to as
> >soon as it receives the post or does it run through the list of addresses
> >in its database as it is sending out batches of messages?
>
> It has completely decided who to send to not immediately, but before it
> begins sending.
>
> >If this is more of an MTA issue, we are using Postfix as the MTA, but does
> >Mailman send the full list of addresses to Postfix for it to decide how to
> >batch them?
>
>
> Mailman creates chunks (assuming we're not verping) no bigger than
> SMTP_MAX_RCPTS (default 500) for delivery to Postfix, and postfix does
> its own batching with those, but the whole list is built by Mailman
> before it creates the first chunk.
>
>
> >If Mailman decides right away, either deciding on batching itself or
> >handing it to Postfix for batching I would think he could remove the list
> >of addresses soon after the message is sent (or at least as soon as he has
> >verified messages have started sending).  If it reads live I realize the
> >answer will be "it can be removed when it is done", which is fine, I just
> >want to know which we are dealing with.
>
>
> It's the former. There are other issues around bounce processing, but I
> gather this may not be a concern.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>


From jared at cpd2.usu.edu  Mon Apr 18 17:42:31 2005
From: jared at cpd2.usu.edu (Jared Smith)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:42:31 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting option flag for all users?
In-Reply-To: <PC1745200504151454550984efff722f@msapiro>
References: <PC1745200504151454550984efff722f@msapiro>
Message-ID: <4263D567.1070703@cpd2.usu.edu>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 > You misunderstand the list settings. The users SuppressPasswordReminder
 > flag enables the user to supress her/his own reminders when
 > send_reminders is Yes. When send_reminders is No, no reminders are set
 > regardless of the user's individual SuppressPasswordReminder flag. The
 > user's setting does not override the list setting in this direction.

Then why are they even given the option???

So if I set my list to send password reminders and each user has selected 
to not receive them, what happens? Does the list setting override the user 
setting as it does if the list setting is set to 'no'? If yes, then the 
user setting has no purpose, right? This sure could be better documented 
and implemented.

Jared




From dan at more.net  Mon Apr 18 19:11:11 2005
From: dan at more.net (Dan D Niles)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:11:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Data directory/bounce-events-* files?
In-Reply-To: <200504180434.30969.ler@lerctr.org>
References: <E1DMHQ1-0005g7-NX@lerami.lerctr.org>
	<758369b078ded3e7249d586c2f7185c1@onjapan.net>
	<200504180434.30969.ler@lerctr.org>
Message-ID: <16995.59951.316916.447085@jane.spg.more.net>


Larry Rosenman writes:
 > On Monday 18 April 2005 02:10 am, Jim Tittsler wrote:
 > > On Apr 15, 2005, at 12:22, Larry Rosenman wrote:
 > > > I have 178MEG of bounce-events-* files in my /data directory.
 > > >
 > > > Should these files be hanging around?
 > >
 > > No.  It sounds like either:
 > >   - your bounce queue runner isn't running
 > 
 > It had been crashing, due to the Python 2.4.* issues.  Now fixed. 

My bounce queue runner dies so often that I had to change MAX_RESTARTS
from 10 to 100.  I also have a script that restarts mailman every day.
I've had the bounce runner die as often as 41 times in one day.

Was the issue causing the bounce runner to crash fixed in a newer
version of python?  If so, what version was the fix introduced in?

Are the extra files a result of the bounce runner crashing, or a
result of me restarting Mailman every day?

[clip]

 > >
 > > I'd be inclined to just delete the old bounces (since some of them may
 > > be stale by now) and restart Mailman.
 > 

What determines if they are stale?  I don't understand the details of
the way the bounce events are handled.  I think that every 15 minutes
(by default) Mailman processes the pending bounce events, but what
determines what events are pending?  Does mailman keep a list of those
somewhere? Or does Mailman just look for files named
bounce-events-*.pck?

Thanks,

Dan


From ler at lerctr.org  Mon Apr 18 19:14:25 2005
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:14:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Data directory/bounce-events-* files?
In-Reply-To: <16995.59951.316916.447085@jane.spg.more.net>
References: <E1DMHQ1-0005g7-NX@lerami.lerctr.org>
	<200504180434.30969.ler@lerctr.org>
	<16995.59951.316916.447085@jane.spg.more.net>
Message-ID: <200504181214.25427.ler@lerctr.org>

On Monday 18 April 2005 12:11 pm, Dan D Niles wrote:
> Larry Rosenman writes:
>  > On Monday 18 April 2005 02:10 am, Jim Tittsler wrote:
>  > > On Apr 15, 2005, at 12:22, Larry Rosenman wrote:
>  > > > I have 178MEG of bounce-events-* files in my /data directory.
>  > > >
>  > > > Should these files be hanging around?
>  > >
>  > > No.  It sounds like either:
>  > >   - your bounce queue runner isn't running
>  >
>  > It had been crashing, due to the Python 2.4.* issues.  Now fixed.
>
> My bounce queue runner dies so often that I had to change MAX_RESTARTS
> from 10 to 100.  I also have a script that restarts mailman every day.
> I've had the bounce runner die as often as 41 times in one day.

It's Mailman 2.1.5 not totally liking some tightening of the strftime() 
argument checking in Python 2.4+


>
> Was the issue causing the bounce runner to crash fixed in a newer
> version of python?  If so, what version was the fix introduced in?
It's fixed in **MAILMAN** 2.1.6RC, or you can look back at last weeks archives 
of this list for a patch (I needed to patch one of the CGI's as well). 


>
> Are the extra files a result of the bounce runner crashing, or a
> result of me restarting Mailman every day?
>
> [clip]
>
>  > > I'd be inclined to just delete the old bounces (since some of them may
>  > > be stale by now) and restart Mailman.
>
> What determines if they are stale?  I don't understand the details of
> the way the bounce events are handled.  I think that every 15 minutes
> (by default) Mailman processes the pending bounce events, but what
> determines what events are pending?  Does mailman keep a list of those
> somewhere? Or does Mailman just look for files named
> bounce-events-*.pck?

I'd like to get the answer to this as well (I've cleaned up the mess at the 
moment, but...)


-- 
Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
Phone: +1 214-351-4152                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
US Mail: 3535 Gaspar Drive, Dallas, TX 75220-3611


From msapiro at value.net  Mon Apr 18 19:21:01 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:21:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting option flag for all users?
In-Reply-To: <4263D567.1070703@cpd2.usu.edu>
Message-ID: <PC174620050418102101018729eef07c@msapiro>

Jared Smith wrote:

>Mark Sapiro wrote:
> > You misunderstand the list settings. The users SuppressPasswordReminder
> > flag enables the user to supress her/his own reminders when
> > send_reminders is Yes. When send_reminders is No, no reminders are set
> > regardless of the user's individual SuppressPasswordReminder flag. The
> > user's setting does not override the list setting in this direction.
>
>Then why are they even given the option???

Sorry my response above wasn't clear.

If the list's send_reminders attribute is No, no reminders will be sent
for that list, period.

If the list's send_reminders attribute is Yes, reminders will be sent
to those users who have not opted out by setting their own
SuppressPasswordReminder flag.

I.e., the users option allows a user to opt out of reminders if the
list sends them, it does not allow the users to opt in to the
reminders if the list does not send them.

I agree this could be better described on the user options page and in
the List Member Manual, both of which seem to assume that the list is
set to send reminders.

>
>So if I set my list to send password reminders and each user has selected 
>to not receive them, what happens?

Nobody gets a reminder.


>Does the list setting override the user 
>setting as it does if the list setting is set to 'no'? If yes, then the 
>user setting has no purpose, right? This sure could be better documented 
>and implemented.

The description of send_reminders is:

-------------
send_reminders (general): Send monthly password reminders?

Turn this on if you want password reminders to be sent once per month
to your members. Note that members may disable their own individual
password reminders.
--------------

Granted, it doesn't explicitly say that users cannot enable their own
reminders if the option is off, but it seems reasonably clear to me
that users only have a 'disable' override.

I think that given the way other options in Mailman are described, if
the user's setting were controlling in every case, send_reminders
would just be described and implemented as a default for the user
setting rather than a separate setting.

I don't know the history of this, but various clues in both
documentation and code seem to say that the list's send_reminders
attribute is a relatively recent addition.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From haack at nclack.k12.or.us  Mon Apr 18 20:14:19 2005
From: haack at nclack.k12.or.us (Robert Haack)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:14:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella List
Message-ID: <4263F8FB.8030707@nclack.k12.or.us>

I have an umbrella list call all_unit_sec setup with a membership of 5 
other lists.  Also I've added Jim Tittsler patch to allow users on 
another list to post to this list as well as other lists.  My problem is 
that anybody that when a post is sent to this list or any other lists 
the message never goes through, or actually it's like the message never 
arrives.  If I include actual peoples email addresses those seem to go 
through even if I include the all_unit_sec list.  The only other thing I 
can think that could be causing some problems is that we didn't want 
users to be able to subscribe, unsubscribe to any lists so when I added 
the list names to the aliases file I commented out so my aliases file 
looks something like this:

## all_unit_sec mailing list
all_unit_sec:              "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post all_unit_sec"
all_unit_sec-admin:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin all_unit_sec"
all_unit_sec-bounces:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces all_unit_sec"
all_unit_sec-owner:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner all_unit_sec"
#all_unit_sec-confirm:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm 
all_unit_sec"
#all_unit_sec-join:         "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman join all_unit_sec"
#all_unit_sec-leave:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave all_unit_sec"
#all_unit_sec-request:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request 
all_unit_sec"
#all_unit_sec-subscribe:    "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe 
all_unit_sec"
#all_unit_sec-unsubscribe:  "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe 
all_unit_sec"

I done this on other lists and it's not a problem so the only 
correlation I can think of is the fact that it's an umbrella list.  Does 
anybody have any ideas as to what could be going on here?  If so I would 
appreciate some ideas, I need to get this working.

Thanks You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- 
Robert Haack
Programmer Analyst
North Clackamas School District #12
haack at nclack.k12.or.us



From msapiro at value.net  Mon Apr 18 20:15:35 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:15:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to modify subscriber settings across all
	lists?
In-Reply-To: <006e01c543ec$49f34630$310aa8c0@aish2.local>
Message-ID: <PC1746200504181115350250f0f36f3d@msapiro>

Tamara Yoggev wrote:
>
>Is there a way to have the 'set global' check box- checked (on a certain 
>field) by default?

You could do this by modifying the 'replacement' for the specific
<mm-global-whatever> tag in Mailman/Cgi/options.py or you could modify
the options.html template (see
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp)
and replace the <mm-global-whatever> tag in the template with the
actual HTML for the checked checkbox.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From kkniepkamp at genetics.wustl.edu  Mon Apr 18 20:22:12 2005
From: kkniepkamp at genetics.wustl.edu (Kyle Kniepkamp)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:22:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List within a list
Message-ID: <4263FAD4.9080403@genetics.wustl.edu>

I have a list(LIST1) that is subscribed to another list(LIST2). When 
mail is sent to LIST2 the admin for LIST1 gets a mail asking for 
confirmation.
Is it possible that when someone sends a mail to LIST2 it automatically 
gets sent to LIST1 without any interaction from the Admin?

I am guessing adding the list name of LIST1 to LIST2's 'accept these 
nonmembers' would work, is this a viable solution?

Thanks,

-- 
Kyle Kniepkamp




From tony at tonybibbs.com  Mon Apr 18 22:12:23 2005
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:12:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posfix/Mailman "relay access denied"
Message-ID: <426414A7.2080507@tonybibbs.com>

When sending mail to a test list I setup I get "relay access denied".  
The maillog looks like this:

www root # tail /var/log/maillog
Apr 18 15:07:43 www postfix/smtpd[4435]: generic_checks: 
name=reject_unauth_destination status=2
Apr 18 15:07:43 www postfix/smtpd[4435]: > 
web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com[66.218.94.81]: 554 
<geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>: Relay access denied
Apr 18 15:07:43 www postfix/smtpd[4435]: watchdog_pat: 0x80af220
Apr 18 15:07:43 www postfix/smtpd[4435]: < 
web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com[66.218.94.81]: QUIT
Apr 18 15:07:43 www postfix/smtpd[4435]: > 
web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com[66.218.94.81]: 221 Bye
Apr 18 15:07:43 www postfix/smtpd[4435]: disconnect from 
web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com[66.218.94.81]
Apr 18 15:07:43 www postfix/smtpd[4435]: master_notify: status 1
Apr 18 15:07:43 www postfix/smtpd[4435]: connection closed
Apr 18 15:07:43 www postfix/smtpd[4435]: watchdog_stop: 0x80af220
Apr 18 15:07:43 www postfix/smtpd[4435]: watchdog_start: 0x80af220

I assume this is somehow suggesting I don't have the virtual domain 
setup right but I'm not sure what I need to tweak.

--Tony


From msapiro at value.net  Tue Apr 19 00:40:50 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:40:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List within a list
In-Reply-To: <4263FAD4.9080403@genetics.wustl.edu>
Message-ID: <PC17462005041815405007031d142291@msapiro>

Kyle Kniepkamp wrote:

>I have a list(LIST1) that is subscribed to another list(LIST2). When 
>mail is sent to LIST2 the admin for LIST1 gets a mail asking for 
>confirmation.
>Is it possible that when someone sends a mail to LIST2 it automatically 
>gets sent to LIST1 without any interaction from the Admin?
>
>I am guessing adding the list name of LIST1 to LIST2's 'accept these 
>nonmembers' would work, is this a viable solution?

Do you have that backwards?

Depending on your settings for USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER and SENDER_HEADERS
in Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py you may be able to accomplish what you want
by putting the LIST2-bounces address in LIST1's
accept_these_nonmembers.

Otherwise, there is a patch available which would allow putting @LIST2
as a shorthand for all the members of LIST2 in LIST1's
accept_these_nonmembers. See
http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#listinclusion

Also see FAQ article 3.5
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Tue Apr 19 01:17:03 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:17:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella List
In-Reply-To: <4263F8FB.8030707@nclack.k12.or.us>
Message-ID: <PC17462005041816170302961d1420cb@msapiro>

Robert Haack wrote:

>I have an umbrella list call all_unit_sec setup with a membership of 5 
>other lists.  Also I've added Jim Tittsler patch to allow users on 
>another list to post to this list as well as other lists.  My problem is 
>that anybody that when a post is sent to this list or any other lists 
>the message never goes through, or actually it's like the message never 
>arrives.

Are you saying that no lists are working? If so, some or all of your
qrunners may have stopped again. If so, this recurring problem may be
related to a Mailman 2.1.5/Python 2.4 incompatability issue. See
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-April/044162.html
and
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-April/043937.html
and
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-March/043640.html

>If I include actual peoples email addresses those seem to go 
>through even if I include the all_unit_sec list.  The only other thing I 
>can think that could be causing some problems is that we didn't want 
>users to be able to subscribe, unsubscribe to any lists so when I added 
>the list names to the aliases file I commented out so my aliases file 
>looks something like this:
>
>## all_unit_sec mailing list
>all_unit_sec:              "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post all_unit_sec"
>all_unit_sec-admin:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin all_unit_sec"
>all_unit_sec-bounces:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces all_unit_sec"
>all_unit_sec-owner:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner all_unit_sec"
>#all_unit_sec-confirm:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm 
>all_unit_sec"
>#all_unit_sec-join:         "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman join all_unit_sec"
>#all_unit_sec-leave:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave all_unit_sec"
>#all_unit_sec-request:      "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request 
>all_unit_sec"
>#all_unit_sec-subscribe:    "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe 
>all_unit_sec"
>#all_unit_sec-unsubscribe:  "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe 
>all_unit_sec"
>
>I done this on other lists and it's not a problem

And it shouldn't be here.

>so the only 
>correlation I can think of is the fact that it's an umbrella list.  Does 
>anybody have any ideas as to what could be going on here?  If so I would 
>appreciate some ideas, I need to get this working.

Issues with umbrella lists tend to be along the lines of "people on
more than one sub list get multiple copies" and "posts don't go
through because of membership issues". The latter might be the case
here if the various lists' generic_nonmember_action is Discard, but
there should be entries in the 'vette' log. Also, you could set the
actions to Hold temporarily to see if the posts get held.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From shartmann at antipolis.fr  Tue Apr 19 11:39:56 2005
From: shartmann at antipolis.fr (Serge Hartmann)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:39:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hostname instead of mx name - mailman.db warning
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504191124390.63437@kerberos.antipolis.fr>

Hi there,

I'm new to mailman and trying to create a mailing-list for a team in my
company (antipolis).
the name should be team at lists.antipolis.fr because I can't manage the
official MX of antipolis.fr domain.
so the emails should be directly managed by the host lists.antipolis.fr.

I use mailman 2.1.5 on a postfix 2.1.4

I configured mailman like this :

Defaults.py:MTA = 'Postfix'
Defaults.py:DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.antipolis.fr'
Defaults.py:DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.antipolis.fr'
Defaults.py:SMTPHOST = 'lists.antipolis.fr'

mm_cfg.py:add_virtualhost( 'lists.antipolis.fr' )

/etc/mail/relay-domains:lists.antipolis.fr
/etc/mail/local-host-names:lists.antipolis.fr

and it's still impossible to create a mailing-list like
team at lists.antipolis.fr
all lists and management e-mail addresses are xxx at antipolis.fr (which
doesn't know anything about mailman).

I had a look to mailman's and postfix's logs, I only found this :

# tail -4 /var/log/mail/warnings
Apr 19 11:00:50 rahan postfix/smtpd[10592]: warning: database
/var/lib/mailman.db is older than source file /var/lib/mailman
Apr 19 11:16:56 rahan postfix/smtpd[10641]: warning: database
/var/lib/mailman.db is older than source file /var/lib/mailman
Apr 19 11:30:49 rahan postfix/smtpd[10662]: warning: database
/var/lib/mailman.db is older than source file /var/lib/mailman
Apr 19 11:35:07 rahan postfix/smtpd[10785]: warning: database
/var/lib/mailman.db is older than source file /var/lib/mailman

# tail  /var/log/mailman/smtp
Apr 19 11:16:56 2005 (10589)
<mailman.0.1113902215.10639.test03 at antipolis.fr> smtp for 1 recips,
completed in 0.116 seconds
Apr 19 11:35:07 2005 (10589)
<mailman.0.1113903305.10783.test04 at antipolis.fr> smtp for 1 recips,
completed in 0.104 seconds

where is my mistake ?

-- 
Serge Hartmann    -    System & Network Engineer
shartmann at antipolis.fr  -  cell: +33(0)6 16 56 11 86
jabber-id : ledroide at amessage.info (this is not an e-mail address)


From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Tue Apr 19 13:04:49 2005
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:04:49 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hostname instead of mx name - mailman.db warning
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504191124390.63437@kerberos.antipolis.fr>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504191124390.63437@kerberos.antipolis.fr>
Message-ID: <4264E5D1.50606@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>


> mm_cfg.py:add_virtualhost( 'lists.antipolis.fr' )

> 
> where is my mistake ?
> 

mm_cfg.py:add_virtualhost( 'lists.antipolis.fr', 'lists.antipolis.fr' )


-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/



From shartmann at antipolis.fr  Tue Apr 19 13:21:05 2005
From: shartmann at antipolis.fr (Serge Hartmann)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:21:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hostname instead of mx name - mailman.db warning
In-Reply-To: <4264E5D1.50606@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504191124390.63437@kerberos.antipolis.fr>
	<4264E5D1.50606@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504191314410.63437@kerberos.antipolis.fr>

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Tokio Kikuchi wrote:

> > mm_cfg.py:add_virtualhost( 'lists.antipolis.fr' )
> > where is my mistake ?
>
> mm_cfg.py:add_virtualhost( 'lists.antipolis.fr', 'lists.antipolis.fr' )

yeah it works !
new lists and generated addresses are   xxx at lists.antipolis.fr

however, I can't send messages to my new lists.
I send them with an e-mail client, but nothing happens with mailman,
except this :

# tail -2 /var/log/mail/warnings
Apr 19 13:08:29 rahan postfix/smtpd[10972]: warning: database
/var/lib/mailman.db is older than source file /var/lib/mailman
Apr 19 13:12:28 rahan postfix/smtpd[10990]: warning: database
/var/lib/mailman.db is older than source file /var/lib/mailman
#
#
# tail  /var/log/mail/info
Apr 19 13:10:01 rahan postfix/smtp[10986]: B54021F973:
to=<pdurieux at antipolis.fr>, relay=mail.antipolis.fr[217.195.20.189],
delay=1, status=sent (250 2.0.0 j3JBA4GZ002984 Message accepted for
delivery)
Apr 19 13:10:01 rahan postfix/qmgr[10772]: B54021F973: removed
Apr 19 13:10:01 rahan postfix/smtp[10987]: C703D1F97A:
to=<shartmann at antipolis.fr>, relay=mail.antipolis.fr[217.195.20.189],
delay=1, status=sent (250 2.0.0 j3JBA4xZ002985 Message accepted for
delivery)
Apr 19 13:10:01 rahan postfix/qmgr[10772]: C703D1F97A: removed
Apr 19 13:12:28 rahan postfix/smtpd[10990]: connect from
kerberos.antipolis.fr[82.101.16.137]
Apr 19 13:12:28 rahan postfix/smtpd[10990]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
kerberos.antipolis.fr[82.101.16.137]: 450 <test05 at lists.antipolis.fr>:
Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table;
from=<shartmann at antipolis.fr> to=<test05 at lists.antipolis.fr> proto=ESMTP
helo=<kerberos.antipolis.fr>
Apr 19 13:12:28 rahan postfix/smtpd[10990]: disconnect from
kerberos.antipolis.fr[82.101.16.137]
Apr 19 13:13:10 rahan postfix/smtpd[10990]: connect from
kerberos.antipolis.fr[82.101.16.137]
Apr 19 13:13:10 rahan postfix/smtpd[10990]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
kerberos.antipolis.fr[82.101.16.137]: 450 <test05 at lists.antipolis.fr>:
Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table;
from=<serge at pine.antipolis.fr> to=<test05 at lists.antipolis.fr> proto=ESMTP
helo=<kerberos.antipolis.fr>
Apr 19 13:13:10 rahan postfix/smtpd[10990]: disconnect from
kerberos.antipolis.fr[82.101.16.137]

-- 
Serge Hartmann    -    System & Network Engineer
shartmann at antipolis.fr  -  cell: +33(0)6 16 56 11 86
jabber-id : ledroide at amessage.info (this is not an e-mail address)


From jardar at nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Apr 19 14:50:37 2005
From: jardar at nvg.ntnu.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jardar_Eggesb=F8_Abrahamsen?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:50:37 +0200 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0504191447360.28079@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no>

On the same server I have two lists. When I post to one of them, the 
footer (with the list URL etc.) is attached as a separate mime part. When 
I post to the other list, the footer is just added to the single mime part 
of the e-mail.

I do not understand what I might have done differently when configuring 
the two lists. Does anyone know?

Jardar


From jardar at nvg.ntnu.no  Tue Apr 19 15:32:18 2005
From: jardar at nvg.ntnu.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jardar_Eggesb=F8_Abrahamsen?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:32:18 +0200 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0504191447360.28079@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0504191447360.28079@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0504191531330.30099@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no>

Well, I discovered what was the matter. The footer is always sent as ISO 
8859-1, even if it contains only US ASCII characters. To one list I 
usually write in Norwegian, so the body is also ISO 8859-1, and then the 
footer is appended to the body. To the other list I usually write only 
ASCII. In that case the footer has another content-type than the body, and 
it is attached as a separate mime part.

I wonder why the footer is always ISO 8859-1. And in the instances where 
it only contains ASCII characters, it would be compatible with most 
encodings, and could in theory just be appended to the body anyway, 
couldn't it?

Jardar


From nstazew1 at swarthmore.edu  Tue Apr 19 16:50:13 2005
From: nstazew1 at swarthmore.edu (Nathan Stazewski)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:50:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lynx html -> text question...
Message-ID: <20050419145013.1AE03EF890@cork.its.swarthmore.edu>

I posted previously about this, but was all of the sudden swamped with work
so I was not able to keep working on this problem.  Our mailman install
works fine until it's time to convert a text/html e-mail to plain text.  All
mailman produces with such e-mails is a blank body with the footer attached.
Mark Sapiro was very helpful in pointing me to the following line in either
Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py .

 

HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND = '/usr/bin/lynx -dump %(filename)s'

 

After looking in both those files, I noticed that Defaults.py had this line,
but mm_cfg.py did not.  I was about to add the line in the mm_cfg file, but
then I decided to check out the /usr/bin/ directory looking for lynx (I'm a
windows/dos user so I'm used to file extentions.so lynx is an executable,
correct?).  At this point I noticed that lynx is nowhere in that directory.
A search of the computer (Mac OS X) for anything with lynx in the name only
provided an AppleLynx.kext.  I'm guessing that the problem stems from the
fact that lynx isn't installed on this computer?  I checked my error logs
and noticed I have the following error.

 

Apr 18 13:27:38 2005 (399) HMTL->text/plain error: 32512

 

Every other place (on the mailman-users list) that I have seen the
"HTML->text/plain error" it was followed by 256 instead of the 32512 that I
am receiving.

 

If I do indeed need to install lynx on a Mac, I have a few questions.  I
searched on the net and it seems that lynx is some sort of a text-only web
browser.so is this what I am to install to get mailman to convert html to
text?  I found this site.

 

http://www.osxgnu.org/software/Networking/lynx/

 

Is this what I'll need?  If I install it, am I going to have to do anything
special to get mailman to now recognize it?  Thanks in advance for any help
with this.

_______________________

Nate

 



From cpz at tuunq.com  Tue Apr 19 18:03:27 2005
From: cpz at tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:03:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lynx html -> text question...
In-Reply-To: <20050419145013.1AE03EF890@cork.its.swarthmore.edu> from Nathan
	Stazewski at "Apr 19, 2005 10:50:13 am"
Message-ID: <20050419160327.E98AF7AE@mail.tuunq.com>

In a flurry of recycled electrons, Nathan Stazewski wrote:

> If I do indeed need to install lynx on a Mac, I have a few questions.  I
> searched on the net and it seems that lynx is some sort of a text-only web
> browser.so is this what I am to install to get mailman to convert html to
> text?  I found this site.

> http://www.osxgnu.org/software/Networking/lynx/

that's the puppy. or get it from http://lynx.browser.org/ and build it :-).

IMNSHO, every web designer should check their pages with lynx before
release. If lynx doesn't produce usuable output, the text-to-speach
translators and vision enhancers won't either.

z!


From sean at sweetbourbon.com  Tue Apr 19 20:47:41 2005
From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:47:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] invite hack
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504191430070.79867@seyyav.pair.com>


Hi all,

I'm trying to customize the invitations that get sent out by adding the
subject_prefix to the subject line so it looks like:

Subject: LIST_subject_prefix confirm CONFIRM_STING.

I made this change to MailList.py:

	sub_prefix = self.subject_prefix
	subj = sub_prefix + ' confirm ' + cookie

The problem that I've encountered now is that when you reply to the
invitation and maintain the subject Mailman doesn't process it:

"The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
original message.


- Unprocessed:....."

I'm at a loss as to what other code needs hacked to make this work.  I
found cmd_confirm.py but I don't think the message gets past
CommandRunner.py since it just gives the 'Unprocessed' error.  Can anyone
offer any direction here?

It automatically skips any 'RE:'s in the subject so I didn't think the
adding the subject_prefix would matter.  Where is the code that ingores
the 'RE:'s in the subject?

The reasoning behind the change is these days people just scan down the
subject field and delete anything they don't recognize, in an effort to
avoid wasting time on spam.  Adding the subject prefix would help because
there is nothing about the author or subject of the existing invitation to
make it stand out as personal or list-related.

Sure, VERP may add more personalization but that is not an option since my
server is running upwards of 700 lists.  The performance hit would be too
much.

Thanks for any input,
Sean


From kalin at el.net  Tue Apr 19 22:07:07 2005
From: kalin at el.net (kalin mintchev)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:07:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
Message-ID: <49917.68.165.89.73.1113941227.squirrel@68.165.89.73>


hi...

mailman version 2.0.13

Restrict posting privilege to list members? - yes.

i get a lot of messages to go to the Administrative requests page to
aprove messages that are from people who are NOT on the list at all.

what's up with that?

-- 




From kalin at el.net  Tue Apr 19 22:46:27 2005
From: kalin at el.net (kalin mintchev)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:46:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
In-Reply-To: <a0c79e9226776db7e6c21023259d5c4c@memphis.edu>
References: <49917.68.165.89.73.1113941227.squirrel@68.165.89.73>   
	<a0c79e9226776db7e6c21023259d5c4c@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <50033.68.165.89.73.1113943587.squirrel@68.165.89.73>


> Because they're not on the list, their posts are held for moderation,
hence the notification.

right. but..  if they are not on the list they should not be approved - i
mean the posting is allowed ONLY to members (member_posting_only) so why
is mailman holding messages for approval that's not coming from members at
all?


> I don't remember if you have an option to
> discard them in 2.0.13 - it's at least two years out of date. In 2.1.x,
you have the option of holding, rejecting, accepting or discarding posts
from non-members. Check under privacy options to see if those options
exist in 2.0. If not, then may I suggest an update ;-) ?

i expected that answer. thanks. i know. but unfortunately i do not have
the time to do it. i have other machines that run version 2.1.5. can't
move the list thought....



> Dan
> ================================
> Dan Phillips
> Professor of Horn, University of Memphis
> webmaster: http://music.memphis.edu
-- 






From msapiro at value.net  Tue Apr 19 22:55:08 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:55:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] invite hack
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504191430070.79867@seyyav.pair.com>
Message-ID: <PC17462005041913550801097b48ee95@msapiro>

Sean wrote:
>
>I'm trying to customize the invitations that get sent out by adding the
>subject_prefix to the subject line so it looks like:
>
>Subject: LIST_subject_prefix confirm CONFIRM_STING.
>
>I made this change to MailList.py:
>
>	sub_prefix = self.subject_prefix
>	subj = sub_prefix + ' confirm ' + cookie
>
>The problem that I've encountered now is that when you reply to the
>invitation and maintain the subject Mailman doesn't process it:
>
<snip>
>
>It automatically skips any 'RE:'s in the subject so I didn't think the
>adding the subject_prefix would matter.  Where is the code that ingores
>the 'RE:'s in the subject?


This is the problem. It doesn't actually skip 're:'s. If the first token
after Subject: isn't 'confirm' it will look at the second token and
that's as far as it goes.

The code is in CommandRunner.py

See the thread at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-March/043524.html


--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Tue Apr 19 23:00:57 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:00:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hostname instead of mx name - mailman.db warning
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504191314410.63437@kerberos.antipolis.fr>
Message-ID: <PC17462005041914005708437b48f1a4@msapiro>

Serge Hartmann wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Tokio Kikuchi wrote:
>
>> > mm_cfg.py:add_virtualhost( 'lists.antipolis.fr' )
>> > where is my mistake ?
>>
>> mm_cfg.py:add_virtualhost( 'lists.antipolis.fr', 'lists.antipolis.fr' )
>
>yeah it works !
>new lists and generated addresses are   xxx at lists.antipolis.fr
>
>however, I can't send messages to my new lists.
>I send them with an e-mail client, but nothing happens with mailman,
>except this :
>
># tail -2 /var/log/mail/warnings
>Apr 19 13:08:29 rahan postfix/smtpd[10972]: warning: database
>/var/lib/mailman.db is older than source file /var/lib/mailman
>Apr 19 13:12:28 rahan postfix/smtpd[10990]: warning: database
>/var/lib/mailman.db is older than source file /var/lib/mailman
>#


I think the above is because the postalias command wasn't run or
failed. See POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD in Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py


># tail  /var/log/mail/info
>Apr 19 13:10:01 rahan postfix/smtp[10986]: B54021F973:
>to=<pdurieux at antipolis.fr>, relay=mail.antipolis.fr[217.195.20.189],
>delay=1, status=sent (250 2.0.0 j3JBA4GZ002984 Message accepted for
>delivery)
>Apr 19 13:10:01 rahan postfix/qmgr[10772]: B54021F973: removed
>Apr 19 13:10:01 rahan postfix/smtp[10987]: C703D1F97A:
>to=<shartmann at antipolis.fr>, relay=mail.antipolis.fr[217.195.20.189],
>delay=1, status=sent (250 2.0.0 j3JBA4xZ002985 Message accepted for
>delivery)
>Apr 19 13:10:01 rahan postfix/qmgr[10772]: C703D1F97A: removed
>Apr 19 13:12:28 rahan postfix/smtpd[10990]: connect from
>kerberos.antipolis.fr[82.101.16.137]
>Apr 19 13:12:28 rahan postfix/smtpd[10990]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
>kerberos.antipolis.fr[82.101.16.137]: 450 <test05 at lists.antipolis.fr>:
>Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table;
>from=<shartmann at antipolis.fr> to=<test05 at lists.antipolis.fr> proto=ESMTP
>helo=<kerberos.antipolis.fr>
>Apr 19 13:12:28 rahan postfix/smtpd[10990]: disconnect from
>kerberos.antipolis.fr[82.101.16.137]
>Apr 19 13:13:10 rahan postfix/smtpd[10990]: connect from
>kerberos.antipolis.fr[82.101.16.137]
>Apr 19 13:13:10 rahan postfix/smtpd[10990]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
>kerberos.antipolis.fr[82.101.16.137]: 450 <test05 at lists.antipolis.fr>:
>Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table;
>from=<serge at pine.antipolis.fr> to=<test05 at lists.antipolis.fr> proto=ESMTP
>helo=<kerberos.antipolis.fr>
>Apr 19 13:13:10 rahan postfix/smtpd[10990]: disconnect from
>kerberos.antipolis.fr[82.101.16.137]


This appears to be related to the fact that the aliases weren't
properly updated.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From casper at hetsoet.nl  Mon Apr 18 19:06:31 2005
From: casper at hetsoet.nl (Casper Companjen)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:06:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Submit field
Message-ID: <1e5cfa2e7f007738a0dbc14409001a51@hetsoet.nl>

Is it possible with mailman that I can put a field on my website, where 
people can submit to the in my case newsletter???

Thank you.
Casper Companjen
www.hetsoet.nl



From tyoggev at 013.net  Mon Apr 18 09:57:37 2005
From: tyoggev at 013.net (Tamara Yoggev)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:57:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to modify subscriber settings across all
	lists?
References: <PC174520050417105056034303f16faf@msapiro>
Message-ID: <006e01c543ec$49f34630$310aa8c0@aish2.local>

Thanks Mark,

Is there a way to have the 'set global' check box- checked (on a certain 
field) by default?

All the best,
Tamara
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Sapiro" <msapiro at value.net>
To: "Tamara Yoggev" <tyoggev at 013.net>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] how to modify subscriber settings across all 
lists?


> Tamara Yoggev <tyoggev at 013.net>
>   Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:06:15 +0200
>     To: mailman-users at python.org
>>
>>Is there a way, and if there is what is it, to modify a subscribers 
>>information,
>>across all lists?
>>for example: change a subscribers email address, without having to go into 
>>each list and find him there.
>
> Certain settings on the user's options page have a "set globally" check
> box. These include e-mail address, real name, and a few others. As a
> list admin, you can go to one of your subscribers options page from
> the membership list pages and globally change any option that has a
> "set globally" check box. In the case of an e-mail address change, the
> user will still be sent a confirmation at the new address which must
> be accepted before the change is effective. The other changes take
> effect immediately.
>
> If you want to change something that doesn't have a "set globally"
> check box, you would need to create a withlist script to do it.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Apr 19 23:53:06 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:53:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
In-Reply-To: <50033.68.165.89.73.1113943587.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
References: <49917.68.165.89.73.1113941227.squirrel@68.165.89.73> 
	<a0c79e9226776db7e6c21023259d5c4c@memphis.edu>
	<50033.68.165.89.73.1113943587.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
Message-ID: <p06200700be8b2da08ee3@[81.169.88.46]>

At 4:46 PM -0400 2005-04-19, kalin mintchev wrote:

>>  Because they're not on the list, their posts are held for
>>  moderation, hence the notification.
>
>  right. but..  if they are not on the list they should not be approved - i
>  mean the posting is allowed ONLY to members (member_posting_only) so why
>  is mailman holding messages for approval that's not coming from members at
>  all?

	Those messages aren't approved -- they're held.  They're held 
because they're coming from non-members, and you've got the server 
configured to hold all posts that are not otherwise approved (i.e., 
from a known listmember or on the "white list").

	You're hanging up on the word "approved" to be meaning that you 
see the message, either as a list member or as the list owner.  That 
is not correct.  If a post is "approved", then it is sent to the list 
so that all list members will get a copy.  If it's not approved, then 
it may be held for moderation, but that does *not* mean that the post 
is "approved".

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From mloftis at wgops.com  Tue Apr 19 23:59:08 2005
From: mloftis at wgops.com (Michael Loftis)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:59:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting list of nomail/bounce disabled users
Message-ID: <F021458AD6E4E76E45C260F6@d216-220-25-60.dynip.modwest.com>

IS there any pre-built way of getting a list of users disabled for bouncing 
for a given list (CLI or web...)?  Or am I just going to have to throw 
something together using withlist?

TIA!

--
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From ler at lerctr.org  Wed Apr 20 00:03:58 2005
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:03:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting list of nomail/bounce disabled users
In-Reply-To: <F021458AD6E4E76E45C260F6@d216-220-25-60.dynip.modwest.com>
References: <F021458AD6E4E76E45C260F6@d216-220-25-60.dynip.modwest.com>
Message-ID: <200504191703.58849.ler@lerctr.org>

On Tuesday 19 April 2005 04:59 pm, Michael Loftis wrote:
> IS there any pre-built way of getting a list of users disabled for bouncing
> for a given list (CLI or web...)?  Or am I just going to have to throw
> something together using withlist?
bin/list_members --nomail=bybounce [listname]


>
> TIA!
>
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From john at wa9als.com  Wed Apr 20 00:06:43 2005
From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:06:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Submit field
References: <1e5cfa2e7f007738a0dbc14409001a51@hetsoet.nl>
Message-ID: <002b01c5452c$12108fc0$e15a0180@majorhospital.org>

> Is it possible with mailman that I can put a field on my website, where 
> people can submit to the in my case newsletter???

See FAQ 4.33 at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.33



From mloftis at wgops.com  Wed Apr 20 00:13:39 2005
From: mloftis at wgops.com (Michael Loftis)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:13:39 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting list of nomail/bounce disabled users
In-Reply-To: <F021458AD6E4E76E45C260F6@d216-220-25-60.dynip.modwest.com>
References: <F021458AD6E4E76E45C260F6@d216-220-25-60.dynip.modwest.com>
Message-ID: <1BCF6941ADA62AC89CFD445A@d216-220-25-60.dynip.modwest.com>

Received a couple of responses immediately, thanks, sorry for asking what's 
probably a stupid question.




From kalin at el.net  Wed Apr 20 00:17:12 2005
From: kalin at el.net (kalin mintchev)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:17:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
In-Reply-To: <ceb86e810bb54764afb7f191a6a41612@memphis.edu>
References: <49917.68.165.89.73.1113941227.squirrel@68.165.89.73>   
	<a0c79e9226776db7e6c21023259d5c4c@memphis.edu>   
	<50029.68.165.89.73.1113943362.squirrel@68.165.89.73>   
	<ceb86e810bb54764afb7f191a6a41612@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <50297.68.165.89.73.1113949032.squirrel@68.165.89.73>

>
> On Apr 19, 2005, at 3:42 PM, kalin mintchev wrote:
>> right. but..  if they are not on the list they should not be approved - i
>> mean the posting is allowed ONLY to members (member_posting_only) so why
>> is mailman holding messages for approval that's not coming from members at
>> all?
>
> I would guess that the thinking was that since members often post from 
alternate addresses or aliases, in that case, a moderator can approve
the post and notify the member about the situation. This would be
preferable to the post being silently discarded, IMO. I don't remember
if it's a silent discard or if a rejection notice is sent to the poster
in 2.0.

thanks Dan. i disagree thought. i don't see how you'd recognize a member
of the list except by the email address. how'd you possibly know that the
email address that's in the From header on the message you are about to
approve belongs to one of that list's members if it's not on the list? ok
- unless the list is for your family members or closest friends and your
know all their alternative email addresses.... in 2.0 you can not even
relate names to addresses.

it just doesn't make any sense...  i mean it says 'member_posting_ONLY'


> Dan
>
>


-- 






From heather at madrone.com  Wed Apr 20 00:39:57 2005
From: heather at madrone.com (Heather Madrone)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:39:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
In-Reply-To: <50297.68.165.89.73.1113949032.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
References: <49917.68.165.89.73.1113941227.squirrel@68.165.89.73>   
	<a0c79e9226776db7e6c21023259d5c4c@memphis.edu>   
	<50029.68.165.89.73.1113943362.squirrel@68.165.89.73>   
	<ceb86e810bb54764afb7f191a6a41612@memphis.edu>
	<50297.68.165.89.73.1113949032.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
Message-ID: <p0621022abe8b361252fc@[192.168.123.100]>

At 6:17 PM -0400 4/19/05, kalin mintchev wrote:
>thanks Dan. i disagree thought. i don't see how you'd recognize a member
>of the list except by the email address. how'd you possibly know that the
>email address that's in the From header on the message you are about to
>approve belongs to one of that list's members if it's not on the list? ok
>- unless the list is for your family members or closest friends and your
>know all their alternative email addresses.... in 2.0 you can not even
>relate names to addresses.

I run a list with 800 subscribers, and it's often blindingly obvious when
a message in the held queue is from a list-member's alternate email
address.  For one thing, the subject header often contains Re:[List]
and tends to be on-topic.  For another thing, the alternate email
addresses are quite often very similar to the subscription address.
When all else fails, I can look at the sign-off on the message to see
who it is.

Yes, this means that I (or a moderator) needs to read through the
held queue and rescue any stray messages, but it only takes a few
minutes a day.

I think holding questionable messages is the best default because it
allows the list-owner to remedy the situation.  If the default was to
discard, you might miss some gems.

I know that a lot of folks out there are intimidated by Mailman, and
so I try to make it easy for them.  If they make a mistake, I go ahead
and take care of things, if I can figure out what they were trying to
do.

-- 
Heather Madrone  (heather at madrone.com)  http://www.madrone.com

A rolling stone gathers no mass.


From kalin at el.net  Wed Apr 20 02:05:33 2005
From: kalin at el.net (kalin mintchev)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:05:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
In-Reply-To: <p0621022abe8b361252fc@[192.168.123.100]>
References: <49917.68.165.89.73.1113941227.squirrel@68.165.89.73>   
	<a0c79e9226776db7e6c21023259d5c4c@memphis.edu>   
	<50029.68.165.89.73.1113943362.squirrel@68.165.89.73>   
	<ceb86e810bb54764afb7f191a6a41612@memphis.edu>
	<50297.68.165.89.73.1113949032.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<p0621022abe8b361252fc@[192.168.123.100]>
Message-ID: <50394.68.165.89.73.1113955533.squirrel@68.165.89.73>


> Yes, this means that I (or a moderator) needs to read through the
> held queue and rescue any stray messages, but it only takes a few
> minutes a day.
>
> I think holding questionable messages is the best default because it
> allows the list-owner to remedy the situation.  If the default was to
> discard, you might miss some gems.
>
> I know that a lot of folks out there are intimidated by Mailman, and
> so I try to make it easy for them.  If they make a mistake, I go ahead
> and take care of things, if I can figure out what they were trying to
> do.

i agree with most of this. this is exactly the case - a list that was set
up according to a client specifications so that they didn't have to deal
with configuration and set up but still wanted to approve the messages.
it's kind of a busy press site where information has to be revised and
approved before sending out to the list. they don't read headers. and
their problem is that specially over the weekend when the list is not
moderated it gets filled with crap. and i can understand them specially if
they have to deal with about 10000 members to guess their alternative
email addresses - different companies, different countries even, etc...
just not possible...

my point was/is that the 'members_posting_only' is supposed to be for
members ONLY but it's not...


> --
> Heather Madrone  (heather at madrone.com)  http://www.madrone.com
>
> A rolling stone gathers no mass.
>


-- 




From msapiro at value.net  Wed Apr 20 02:08:57 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:08:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0504191531330.30099@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no>
Message-ID: <PC1746200504191708570206383c6787@msapiro>

Jardar Eggesb? Abrahamsen wrote:
>
>I wonder why the footer is always ISO 8859-1. And in the instances where 
>it only contains ASCII characters, it would be compatible with most 
>encodings, and could in theory just be appended to the body anyway, 
>couldn't it?

I think the footer is always considered to be in the character set of
the list language. The character set associated with a language is
defined in the add_language() entries at the end of Defaults.py or
overridden in mm_cfg.py.

When in doubt, it is safer to separate the footer than not. See for
example the thread at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-April/044112.html

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From kalin at el.net  Wed Apr 20 03:06:43 2005
From: kalin at el.net (kalin mintchev)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:06:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
In-Reply-To: <p06200700be8b2da08ee3@[81.169.88.46]>
References: <49917.68.165.89.73.1113941227.squirrel@68.165.89.73>     
	<a0c79e9226776db7e6c21023259d5c4c@memphis.edu>   
	<50033.68.165.89.73.1113943587.squirrel@68.165.89.73>   
	<p06200700be8b2da08ee3@[81.169.88.46]>
Message-ID: <50494.68.165.89.73.1113959203.squirrel@68.165.89.73>

> 	Those messages aren't approved -- they're held.


ok, Brad. thanks. sure. they are held. held for approval. they are not
"approved". true.

are they from subscribed members? some. most are not.

but the setting says members_postings_only = 'yes' (ONLY!)

ok.

but there are about 60-70% messages that come from non members. they are
held too. held for approval. or to be discarded. why?

i don't know. they are not members. they should not be held. at all.

in short the logic says: "no, they should not even considered to be held
for approval. they are sent to the list by non members (spammers). the
list is restricted so that ONLY members can post. that means any post from
anybody not on the list doesn't matter - it's not important. shouldn't be
held for approval."

what is not clear in the statement members_postings_only='yes'?
'yes' or 'only'? i guess i'm hanging on "only". wouldn't you?

sorry....  thanks...


> --
> Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
>
> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
>
>      -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755
>
>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>


--






From lists05 at equinephotoart.com  Wed Apr 20 03:42:37 2005
From: lists05 at equinephotoart.com (JC Dill)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:42:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
In-Reply-To: <50494.68.165.89.73.1113959203.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
References: <49917.68.165.89.73.1113941227.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<a0c79e9226776db7e6c21023259d5c4c@memphis.edu>
	<50033.68.165.89.73.1113943587.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<p06200700be8b2da08ee3@[81.169.88.46]>
	<50494.68.165.89.73.1113959203.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
Message-ID: <4265B38D.8040504@equinephotoart.com>

kalin mintchev wrote:

>>	Those messages aren't approved -- they're held.
>>    
>>
>
>
>ok, Brad. thanks. sure. they are held. held for approval. they are not
>"approved". true.
>
>are they from subscribed members? some. most are not.
>
>but the setting says members_postings_only = 'yes' (ONLY!)
>  
>
That is the setting for the *automatic* process.  Mailman will 
*automatically* send member posts to the list, and it will do something 
else with the non-member posts per your specification.

>ok.
>
>but there are about 60-70% messages that come from non members. they are
>held too. held for approval. or to be discarded. why?
>  
>
Why not?  For many lists this is the desired behavior.

>i don't know. they are not members. they should not be held. at all
>
That is up for the list owner to configure.

>in short the logic says: "no, they should not even considered to be held
>for approval. they are sent to the list by non members (spammers). the
>list is restricted so that ONLY members can post. that means any post from
>anybody not on the list doesn't matter - it's not important. shouldn't be
>held for approval."
>  
>
That is but one possible configuration.  See your list admin page at:

     $domain/mailman/admin/$listname/privacy/sender

"When a message is posted to the list, a series of moderation steps are 
take to decide whether the a moderator must first approve the message or 
not. This section contains the controls for moderation of both member 
and non-member postings."

Note that there are a *series* of steps. 

For some lists, even *members* are not allowed to post to the list 
(one-way or announcement lists).  Those lists are configured at the 
settings for:

By default, should new list member postings be moderated?  (set to "yes" 
for one-way lists)
Action to take when a moderated member posts to the list.  (default is 
to "hold", you can also select "reject" or "discard")

For a discussion list where members are allowed to post, you then decide 
if you want mailman to *automatically* post posts from anyone, or only 
from members.  You set this at:

Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit 
action is defined. (default is "hold")

Then you decide what you want done with the other posts.  You set this at

Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit 
action is defined.  The default is to "hold" but you can also select 
"accept", or "reject", or discard" as appropriate for YOUR list.  The 
default is "hold" because you may wish to allow on-topic posts by 
non-members.  This very list (mailman-users) allows posts of that nature 
- I'm one of the list admins who reviews the non-member posts and 
approves the on-topic ones to be sent on to the list.  For other lists 
with other policies, you can elect to have non-member posts bounced or 
discarded if you prefer.  That way each list owner can configure their 
list to meet their needs.

>what is not clear in the statement members_postings_only='yes'?
>'yes' or 'only'? i guess i'm hanging on "only". wouldn't you?
>  
>
I think you are missing the big picture.  There are many different ways 
that lists can be configured.  The "only" term applies to the 
*automatic* handling by mailman, not to the choices made by the list 
owners and admins.  Mailman automatically posts messages from "members 
only", and then the *default* option lets the list owner/admin decide 
what to do with the rest but this is something you can easily change as 
shown above.

jc



From dhphllps at memphis.edu  Wed Apr 20 03:48:14 2005
From: dhphllps at memphis.edu (Dan Phillips)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:48:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
In-Reply-To: <4265B38D.8040504@equinephotoart.com>
References: <49917.68.165.89.73.1113941227.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<a0c79e9226776db7e6c21023259d5c4c@memphis.edu>
	<50033.68.165.89.73.1113943587.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<p06200700be8b2da08ee3@[81.169.88.46]>
	<50494.68.165.89.73.1113959203.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<4265B38D.8040504@equinephotoart.com>
Message-ID: <732064aac5e103e5b85fa2243d4c9316@memphis.edu>


On Apr 19, 2005, at 8:42 PM, JC Dill wrote:
>>
> I think you are missing the big picture.  There are many different 
> ways that lists can be configured.  The "only" term applies to the 
> *automatic* handling by mailman, not to the choices made by the list 
> owners and admins.  Mailman automatically posts messages from "members 
> only", and then the *default* option lets the list owner/admin decide 
> what to do with the rest but this is something you can easily change 
> as shown above.
>

He's using 2.0.13. Those options aren't available.

Dan



From will at willspc.net  Wed Apr 20 04:00:06 2005
From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:00:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Additional Subscription options
Message-ID: <200504200200.j3K207d31409@ns2.wnahosting.com>

Hi,

 

I'm doing some additional design for a client's website.  They have a PHP
based guestbook and want an option that will subscribe the user to their
mailing list.

 

I'm having difficulty doing the actual subscription. I tried tweaking
add_members to allow a commandline parameter - it works from the shell, but
doesn't like being called via php/http.

 

Any suggestions on how I could do this?

 

I'm using Mailman V2.1.5

 

--Will



From kkniepkamp at genetics.wustl.edu  Wed Apr 20 05:39:35 2005
From: kkniepkamp at genetics.wustl.edu (Kyle Kniepkamp)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:39:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List within a list
In-Reply-To: <PC17462005041815405007031d142291@msapiro>
References: <PC17462005041815405007031d142291@msapiro>
Message-ID: <4265CEF7.1060605@genetics.wustl.edu>

	Do you have that backwards?

No, when someone sends a mail to LIST2, even thought LIST1 is subscribed to LIST2, LIST1's admin gets a 'please confirm' email.

	Depending on your settings for USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER and SENDER_HEADERS
	in Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py you may be able to accomplish what you want
	by putting the LIST2-bounces address in LIST1's
	accept_these_nonmembers.

My USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER and SENDER_HEADERS look fine:

USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = No
SENDER_HEADERS = ('from', None, 'reply-to', 'sender')

The other thing I am wondering about is that I have in "accept_these_nonmembers":

^.*@*\.mydomain\.edu
^.*@mydomain\.edu

Shouldn't this allow any mail coming from @something.mydomain.edu or mydomain.edu to post to my list (LIST1)? LIST2 is list2 at something.mydomain.edu.

I am confused (obviously) as to why a mail sent to LIST2 wont go directly to LIST1 if that list is subscribed to LIST2.

Thanks,

Kyle Kniepkamp



Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Kyle Kniepkamp wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I have a list(LIST1) that is subscribed to another list(LIST2). When 
>>mail is sent to LIST2 the admin for LIST1 gets a mail asking for 
>>confirmation.
>>Is it possible that when someone sends a mail to LIST2 it automatically 
>>gets sent to LIST1 without any interaction from the Admin?
>>
>>I am guessing adding the list name of LIST1 to LIST2's 'accept these 
>>nonmembers' would work, is this a viable solution?
>>    
>>
>
>Do you have that backwards?
>
>Depending on your settings for USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER and SENDER_HEADERS
>in Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py you may be able to accomplish what you want
>by putting the LIST2-bounces address in LIST1's
>accept_these_nonmembers.
>
>Otherwise, there is a patch available which would allow putting @LIST2
>as a shorthand for all the members of LIST2 in LIST1's
>accept_these_nonmembers. See
>http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#listinclusion
>
>Also see FAQ article 3.5
>  
>
>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>    
>>
>
>--
>Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
>San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>  
>


From msapiro at value.net  Wed Apr 20 06:19:35 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:19:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List within a list
In-Reply-To: <4265CEF7.1060605@genetics.wustl.edu>
Message-ID: <PC17462005041921193502993ec2266e@msapiro>

Kyle Kniepkamp wrote:

>	Do you have that backwards?
>
>No, when someone sends a mail to LIST2, even thought LIST1 is subscribed to LIST2, LIST1's admin gets a 'please confirm' email.

I was referring to your statement
>I am guessing adding the list name of LIST1 to LIST2's 'accept these 
>nonmembers' would work, is this a viable solution?

The problem is not with LIST2. LIST2 is accepting the post and sending
it to LIST1. LIST1 is not accepting it without approval.



>
>	Depending on your settings for USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER and SENDER_HEADERS
>	in Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py you may be able to accomplish what you want
>	by putting the LIST2-bounces address in LIST1's
>	accept_these_nonmembers.
>
>My USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER and SENDER_HEADERS look fine:
>
>USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = No
>SENDER_HEADERS = ('from', None, 'reply-to', 'sender')
>
>The other thing I am wondering about is that I have in "accept_these_nonmembers":
>
>^.*@*\.mydomain\.edu
>^.*@mydomain\.edu
>
>Shouldn't this allow any mail coming from @something.mydomain.edu or mydomain.edu to post to my list (LIST1)? LIST2 is list2 at something.mydomain.edu.
>
>I am confused (obviously) as to why a mail sent to LIST2 wont go directly to LIST1 if that list is subscribed to LIST2.


Because the poster is not a member of LIST1. If USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER is
No, all of the headers in SENDER_HEADERS in order are used to test
list membership, but only the From: header is used to test against the
*_these_nonmembers addresses and regexps.

There are a few ways to make this work.

You can set USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER to Yes. That will cause either Sender:
or the envelope sender to be matched against the *_these_nonmembers of
LIST1 and then the LIST2-bounces address is the one that will match
against LIST1's accept_these_nonmembers.

You can set LIST2 to anonymous which will make the From: in messages it
sends equal to the list address, but you probably don't want posts to
LIST2 to be anonymous.

You can subscribe the LIST2-bounces address to LIST1 and disable
delivery to that address. Then messages from LIST2 to LIST1 will
appear to come from a member of LIST1.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From kalin at el.net  Wed Apr 20 06:40:33 2005
From: kalin at el.net (kalin mintchev)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 00:40:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
In-Reply-To: <4265B38D.8040504@equinephotoart.com>
References: <49917.68.165.89.73.1113941227.squirrel@68.165.89.73>       
	<a0c79e9226776db7e6c21023259d5c4c@memphis.edu>     
	<50033.68.165.89.73.1113943587.squirrel@68.165.89.73>     
	<p06200700be8b2da08ee3@[81.169.88.46]>   
	<50494.68.165.89.73.1113959203.squirrel@68.165.89.73>   
	<4265B38D.8040504@equinephotoart.com>
Message-ID: <51614.68.165.89.73.1113972033.squirrel@68.165.89.73>

>
> jc

ok. in my first post i mentioned that this is mailman version 2.0.13.

those options don't exist there... but thanks...


>
>


-- 






From kalin at el.net  Wed Apr 20 06:45:54 2005
From: kalin at el.net (kalin mintchev)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 00:45:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050419204851.01fcf7c0@pop.visi.com>
References: <49917.68.165.89.73.1113941227.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<a0c79e9226776db7e6c21023259d5c4c@memphis.edu>
	<50033.68.165.89.73.1113943587.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<p06200700be8b2da08ee3@[81.169.88.46]>
	<50494.68.165.89.73.1113959203.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<6.2.0.14.0.20050419204851.01fcf7c0@pop.visi.com>
Message-ID: <51619.68.165.89.73.1113972354.squirrel@68.165.89.73>


> Most of those kinds of messages, on my lists, and I have over 60, are
> spam.  You can set Mailman to discard all "held" messages, so you won't
> ever see them.  They will also discard member posts from different
> addresses, etc., but this may be a small price to pay for not having to go
> through them.

thanks...  unfortunately the client in this case does want to approve
messages from members because they need to make sure the information is
relevant and correct. it's for a press company so fact checking is
important for them...



> David Andrews
>
> At 08:06 PM 4/19/2005, you wrote:
>>>       Those messages aren't approved -- they're held.
>>
>>
>>ok, Brad. thanks. sure. they are held. held for approval. they are not
>>"approved". true.
>>
>>are they from subscribed members? some. most are not.
>>
>>but the setting says members_postings_only = 'yes' (ONLY!)
>>
>>ok.
>>
>>but there are about 60-70% messages that come from non members. they are
>>held too. held for approval. or to be discarded. why?
>>
>>i don't know. they are not members. they should not be held. at all.
>>
>>in short the logic says: "no, they should not even considered to be held
>>for approval. they are sent to the list by non members (spammers). the
>>list is restricted so that ONLY members can post. that means any post
>> from
>>anybody not on the list doesn't matter - it's not important. shouldn't be
>>held for approval."
>>
>>what is not clear in the statement members_postings_only='yes'?
>>'yes' or 'only'? i guess i'm hanging on "only". wouldn't you?
>>
>>sorry....  thanks...
>>
>>
>>> --
>>> Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
>>>
>>> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
>>temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
>>>
>>>      -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
>>Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755
>>>
>>>    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>Searchable Archives:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>>Unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/dandrews%40visi.com
>>
>>Security Policy:
>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&amp;file=faq01.027.htp
>
>
>


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From andreas at rittershofer.de  Wed Apr 20 09:40:15 2005
From: andreas at rittershofer.de (Andreas Rittershofer)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:40:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and spam
Message-ID: <1113982815.4222.7.camel@coredump>

Mails I receive are already processed by SpamAssassin, so spam is marked
with a X-Spam-Level.

Now I want that these mails addressed to mailing lists are deleted by
mailman and not held for approval.

How to do this?

mfg ar
-- 
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Online-Kurs "Computernetzwerke": http://www.OntoLearn.de/moodle



From stephen at xemacs.org  Wed Apr 20 10:54:32 2005
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:54:32 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
In-Reply-To: <50394.68.165.89.73.1113955533.squirrel@68.165.89.73> (kalin
	mintchev's message of "Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:05:33 -0400 (EDT)")
References: <49917.68.165.89.73.1113941227.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<a0c79e9226776db7e6c21023259d5c4c@memphis.edu>
	<50029.68.165.89.73.1113943362.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<ceb86e810bb54764afb7f191a6a41612@memphis.edu>
	<50297.68.165.89.73.1113949032.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<p0621022abe8b361252fc@[192.168.123.100]>
	<50394.68.165.89.73.1113955533.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
Message-ID: <874qe1ygjb.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "kalin" == kalin mintchev <kalin at el.net> writes:

    kalin> my point was/is that the 'members_posting_only' is supposed
    kalin> to be for members ONLY but it's not...

As I understand the word "post" it implies delivery to the list
members.  So this option is doing what it says: preventing non-members
from posting.  Your point seems to be that you think of the word
"post" as simply submitting mail to the list, and Mailman should do
what _you_ need it to do, which is discard the "illegal" messages that
it doesn't send to the list members.  That is an important goal of the
project: to make Mailman do what list owners want it to do.

So, whose opinion is more important?  Well, the _first_ thing that
mail software should do (by default) is _not lose mail_.  That's why
the default setting is to _hold_ mail, not discard it.  Mailman should
_never_ discard _any_ mail automatically until the list owner tells it
to do so, using a very explicit word like "discard" or "reject" or
"delete".  After all, you can throw away the unwanted posts later---
but if I got the opposite surprise I would have lost mail forever, I
can't get it back.

In the case of 2.0, that was an earlier version, the default setting
was the only setting.  This was found to be insufficient, and that's
why 2.1 has the new configuration options.


-- 
School of Systems and Information Engineering http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
               Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.


From shartmann at antipolis.fr  Wed Apr 20 11:12:32 2005
From: shartmann at antipolis.fr (Serge Hartmann)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:12:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman.db warning
In-Reply-To: <PC17462005041914005708437b48f1a4@msapiro>
References: <PC17462005041914005708437b48f1a4@msapiro>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504201100220.70930@kerberos.antipolis.fr>

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Serge Hartmann wrote:
>
> ># tail -2 /var/log/mail/warnings
> >Apr 19 13:12:28 rahan postfix/smtpd[10990]: warning: database
> >/var/lib/mailman.db is older than source file /var/lib/mailman
>
> I think the above is because the postalias command wasn't run or
> failed. See POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD in Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py

# grep POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/*
Defaults.py:POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias'

# ls -l /usr/sbin/postalias
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 10576 aug 28  2004 /usr/sbin/postalias*

# /usr/sbin/postalias /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases

# tail -f /var/log/mail/info      (--> now testing the list)
Apr 20 10:59:41 rahan postfix/smtpd[15668]: connect from
kerberos.antipolis.fr[82.101.16.137]
Apr 20 10:59:41 rahan postfix/smtpd[15668]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
kerberos.antipolis.fr[82.101.16.137]: 450 <test05 at lists.antipolis.fr>:
Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table;
from=<shartmann at antipolis.fr> to=<test05 at lists.antipolis.fr> proto=ESMTP
helo=<kerberos.antipolis.fr>
Apr 20 10:59:41 rahan postfix/smtpd[15668]: disconnect from
kerberos.antipolis.fr[82.101.16.137]

> This appears to be related to the fact that the aliases weren't
> properly updated.

I agree.

I also tried to update mailman.db this way :
# /usr/sbin/postmap /var/lib/mailman

any new idea ?

-- 
Serge Hartmann    -    System & Network Engineer
shartmann at antipolis.fr  -  cell: +33(0)6 16 56 11 86
jabber-id : ledroide at amessage.info (this is not an e-mail address)


From jardar at nvg.ntnu.no  Wed Apr 20 12:18:17 2005
From: jardar at nvg.ntnu.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jardar_Eggesb=F8_Abrahamsen?=)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:18:17 +0200 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive language
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0504201213060.7315@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no>

The archive language is obviously independent of the language selected in 
the listinfo page. Will this change in some future version?

You see, the problem for the members in my lists is that the only language 
that they have in common, is not among the supported languages of Mailman. 
So they can all read the listinfo page and log in with a language they 
understand, but they don't necessarily understand words like ?thread? or 
?previous message?.

Jardar


From shartmann at antipolis.fr  Wed Apr 20 15:34:00 2005
From: shartmann at antipolis.fr (Serge Hartmann)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:34:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman.db warning
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504201100220.70930@kerberos.antipolis.fr>
References: <PC17462005041914005708437b48f1a4@msapiro>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0504201100220.70930@kerberos.antipolis.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504201529030.72792@kerberos.antipolis.fr>

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005, Serge Hartmann wrote:

> Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table;

I tried something different :

my /etc/postfix/main.cf looked like this :
alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman

I added the aliases file, like this :
alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases

I restarted postfix and mailman.

now, during a test (e-mail sent to a list), here are my logs :

# tail -f /var/log/mail/info
Apr 20 15:31:29 rahan postfix/local[16260]: E08B71F97A:
to=<test05 at lists.antipolis.fr>, relay=local, delay=0, status=SOFTBOUNCE
(Command died with status 2: "/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test05".
Command output: Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper
script to be executed as group "mail", but the system's mail server
executed the mail script as group "nogroup".  Try tweaking the mail server
to run the script as group "mail", or re-run configure,  providing the
command line option `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'. )

it still doesn't work, but maybe I'm on the right way ?

-- 
Serge Hartmann    -    System & Network Engineer
shartmann at antipolis.fr  -  cell: +33(0)6 16 56 11 86
jabber-id : ledroide at amessage.info (this is not an e-mail address)


From msapiro at value.net  Wed Apr 20 16:41:54 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:41:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and spam
In-Reply-To: <1113982815.4222.7.camel@coredump>
Message-ID: <PC1746200504200741540531d7eba669@msapiro>

Andreas Rittershofer wrote:

>Mails I receive are already processed by SpamAssassin, so spam is marked
>with a X-Spam-Level.
>
>Now I want that these mails addressed to mailing lists are deleted by
>mailman and not held for approval.

Privacy options...->Spam filters->header_filter_rules

Create a rule with regexp

X-Spam-Level: .*

and action Discard (you might want to test first with action Hold)

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Apr 20 17:07:57 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:07:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman.db warning
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504201529030.72792@kerberos.antipolis.fr>
Message-ID: <PC1746200504200807570750f3c34767@msapiro>

Serge Hartmann wrote:
>
>now, during a test (e-mail sent to a list), here are my logs :
>
># tail -f /var/log/mail/info
>Apr 20 15:31:29 rahan postfix/local[16260]: E08B71F97A:
>to=<test05 at lists.antipolis.fr>, relay=local, delay=0, status=SOFTBOUNCE
>(Command died with status 2: "/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test05".
>Command output: Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper
>script to be executed as group "mail", but the system's mail server
>executed the mail script as group "nogroup".  Try tweaking the mail server
>to run the script as group "mail", or re-run configure,  providing the
>command line option `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'. )
>
>it still doesn't work, but maybe I'm on the right way ?

Yes. You now have your aliases recognized by Postfix and your mail is
being properly piped to the wrapper, but as it says, there is now a
mismatch between the group Postfix is using to run the pipe and the
group the wrapper expects.

You need to do as it says. Either

(1)change the Postfix configuration somehow (I can't tell you how -
this is a Postfix, not a Mailman question) so that Postfix pipes the
mail to Mailman as group 'mail', or

(2)Rerun mailman's configure script exactly as was done previously
except with the addition (or change) of '--with-mail-gid=nogroup' and
then rerun 'make install'

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From msapiro at value.net  Wed Apr 20 21:41:45 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:41:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List within a list
In-Reply-To: <PC17462005041921193502993ec2266e@msapiro>
Message-ID: <PC174620050420124145039025a05cb3@msapiro>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>There are a few ways to make this work.
>
>You can set USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER to Yes. That will cause either Sender:
>or the envelope sender to be matched against the *_these_nonmembers of
>LIST1 and then the LIST2-bounces address is the one that will match
>against LIST1's accept_these_nonmembers.
>
>You can set LIST2 to anonymous which will make the From: in messages it
>sends equal to the list address, but you probably don't want posts to
>LIST2 to be anonymous.
>
>You can subscribe the LIST2-bounces address to LIST1 and disable
>delivery to that address. Then messages from LIST2 to LIST1 will
>appear to come from a member of LIST1.


It also occurs to me that you never said what the hold reason was for
the posts to LIST2 that were held on LIST1. If LIST1 has
require_explicit_destination set to Yes, you will probably have to add
the LIST2 posting address to LIST1's acceptable_aliases.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From sean at sweetbourbon.com  Wed Apr 20 21:45:27 2005
From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:45:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] invite hack
In-Reply-To: <PC17462005041913550801097b48ee95@msapiro>
References: <PC17462005041913550801097b48ee95@msapiro>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504201544090.46583@seyyav.pair.com>

Thanks Mark, that fixed it.

Sean

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> <snip>
> >
> >It automatically skips any 'RE:'s in the subject so I didn't think the
> >adding the subject_prefix would matter.  Where is the code that ingores
> >the 'RE:'s in the subject?
>
>
> This is the problem. It doesn't actually skip 're:'s. If the first token
> after Subject: isn't 'confirm' it will look at the second token and
> that's as far as it goes.
>
> The code is in CommandRunner.py
>
> See the thread at
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-March/043524.html
>
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>
>


From sean at sweetbourbon.com  Wed Apr 20 21:56:50 2005
From: sean at sweetbourbon.com (Sean)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:56:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
In-Reply-To: <20050420044609.C64A41E400E@bag.python.org>
References: <20050420044609.C64A41E400E@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504201552520.46583@seyyav.pair.com>



> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:06:43 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "kalin mintchev" <kalin at el.net>
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
> To: "Brad Knowles" <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Message-ID: <50494.68.165.89.73.1113959203.squirrel at 68.165.89.73>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> > 	Those messages aren't approved -- they're held.
>
>
> ok, Brad. thanks. sure. they are held. held for approval. they are not
> "approved". true.
>
> are they from subscribed members? some. most are not.
>
> but the setting says members_postings_only = 'yes' (ONLY!)
>
> ok.
>
> but there are about 60-70% messages that come from non members. they are
> held too. held for approval. or to be discarded. why?
>
> i don't know. they are not members. they should not be held. at all.
>
> in short the logic says: "no, they should not even considered to be held
> for approval. they are sent to the list by non members (spammers). the
> list is restricted so that ONLY members can post. that means any post from
> anybody not on the list doesn't matter - it's not important. shouldn't be
> held for approval."
>
> what is not clear in the statement members_postings_only='yes'?
> 'yes' or 'only'? i guess i'm hanging on "only". wouldn't you?
>
> sorry....  thanks...


IFIRC, you stated you were using Mailman 2.0 and that was a big complaint
from list admins on my Mailman server.  Upgrade to 2.1 and then you can
set the generic_nonmember_action to discard and eliminate all of the junk
from non-member address.

Sean


From Fran at his.com  Wed Apr 20 22:24:06 2005
From: Fran at his.com (Fran Le Bouleix)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:24:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can not approve subscription requests: no "Your
	decision" choices 
Message-ID: <000201c545e6$e9acfcb0$56d2c2d8@Jan>

Mailman version 2.1.5
FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE-p3
Sendmail

I have 1 list set up on Mailman that can not approve subscription
requests using the 
"Tend to pending moderator requests", because the entries for
subscription request don't show
The usual "Defer  	Approve  	Reject  	Discard"
choices.

Note that on the same page, the post approval show up as usual.

I tested another list on the same mailman server with the same options, 
and the "Defer  	Approve  	Reject  	Discard" are
shown as usual.

What can be causing this behavior on this specific list and not the
others?
The list admin says it started a few days ago, but we did not make any
changes on this server,
Except apply some freeDSD security patches.

Regards,

Fran
Heller Information Services
http://www.his.com
Questions? check our FAQs http://faq.his.com

 




From rick at niof.net  Wed Apr 20 22:42:33 2005
From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:42:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accepting MSword attachments
Message-ID: <20050420204233.GH16703@niof.net>

In the pass_mime_types filter I have:

multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative
text/plain
applica/msword

but msword docs are treated (converted?) to null text files.

What else do I have to do to accept MSword docs?

-- 
Worry is like a rocking chair - it gives you something to do but it 
doesn't get you anywhere. -Dorothy Galyean
    Rick Pasotto    rick at niof.net    http://www.niof.net


From cpz at tuunq.com  Wed Apr 20 22:50:38 2005
From: cpz at tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:50:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accepting MSword attachments
In-Reply-To: <20050420204233.GH16703@niof.net> from Rick Pasotto at "Apr 20,
	2005 04:42:33 pm"
Message-ID: <20050420205038.C60BE7AE@mail.tuunq.com>

In a flurry of recycled electrons, Rick Pasotto wrote:
> In the pass_mime_types filter I have:
> 
> multipart/mixed
> multipart/alternative
> text/plain
> applica/msword
  ^^^^^^^??

Depending on the MUA, you may need:
application/msword
application/octet-stream

z!


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Apr 21 00:33:52 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:33:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
In-Reply-To: <50494.68.165.89.73.1113959203.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
References: <49917.68.165.89.73.1113941227.squirrel@68.165.89.73> 
	<a0c79e9226776db7e6c21023259d5c4c@memphis.edu>      
	<50033.68.165.89.73.1113943587.squirrel@68.165.89.73>      
	<p06200700be8b2da08ee3@[81.169.88.46]>
	<50494.68.165.89.73.1113959203.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
Message-ID: <p06200702be8c88cedffe@[81.169.78.239]>

At 9:06 PM -0400 2005-04-19, kalin mintchev wrote:

>  what is not clear in the statement members_postings_only='yes'?
>  'yes' or 'only'? i guess i'm hanging on "only". wouldn't you?

	The problem is that Mailman checks for things such as attachment 
size, etc... to try to determine whether or not the message should be 
held for approval, before checking list membership.

	If you want that process changed, you should file a Request For 
Enhancement at the SourceForge page for the Mailman project.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From msapiro at value.net  Thu Apr 21 01:16:06 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:16:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can not approve subscription requests: no
	"Yourdecision" choices 
In-Reply-To: <000201c545e6$e9acfcb0$56d2c2d8@Jan>
Message-ID: <PC17462005042016160601562c5761a2@msapiro>

Fran Le Bouleix wrote:
>
>What can be causing this behavior on this specific list and not the
>others?
>The list admin says it started a few days ago, but we did not make any
>changes on this server,
>Except apply some freeDSD security patches.

I can't see what would cause it. I've looked at the code in
Cgi/admindb.py and the only thing conditional around the radio buttons
is the addition of the 'Permanently ban from this list' checkbox under
the radio buttons which depends on the address not already being on
the ban_list. Otherwise, if the 'Address/name' and 'Reason for
refusal' text box are there, I don't see a way for the radio buttons
to be missing.

Is that section of the table missing or is it there without the buttons?

Sorry I can't be more help.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Apr 21 01:18:13 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:18:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and spam
In-Reply-To: <1113982815.4222.7.camel@coredump>
References: <1113982815.4222.7.camel@coredump>
Message-ID: <p06200705be8c938e64f6@[81.169.71.158]>

At 9:40 AM +0200 2005-04-20, Andreas Rittershofer wrote:

>  Mails I receive are already processed by SpamAssassin, so spam is marked
>  with a X-Spam-Level.
>
>  Now I want that these mails addressed to mailing lists are deleted by
>  mailman and not held for approval.

	It's better to do this before the message gets to Mailman.  How 
you do that will depend on your MTA, your mail message scanning 
system, etc....

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From kimi.tech at kimbwei.com  Thu Apr 21 02:03:28 2005
From: kimi.tech at kimbwei.com (kim brooks wei)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:03:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Transfer help needed
Message-ID: <a05111b01be8c9e3ad64e@[172.152.13.94]>

My webhost was shut down. I've been able to get access to my site and 
to a limited extent, to my mailman list. But I'm stuck now trying to 
transfer the list archives. I can't understand how to do this. This 
is the second time this has happened to me.

I'd like to find an effective way to completely transfer a list. Even 
membership records have been difficult to retrieve. I had to paste 
and copy them as I can only access the old site through an IP address.

Please advise. Thanks
Kimi

-- 
Kim Brooks Wei
kimbwei.com

V +1. 201.475.1854
mailto:kimi at kimbwei.com


From ler at lerctr.org  Thu Apr 21 02:07:42 2005
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:07:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Transfer help needed
In-Reply-To: <a05111b01be8c9e3ad64e@[172.152.13.94]>
References: <a05111b01be8c9e3ad64e@[172.152.13.94]>
Message-ID: <200504201907.42730.ler@lerctr.org>

On Wednesday 20 April 2005 07:03 pm, kim brooks wei wrote:
> My webhost was shut down. I've been able to get access to my site and
> to a limited extent, to my mailman list. But I'm stuck now trying to
> transfer the list archives. I can't understand how to do this. This
> is the second time this has happened to me.
>
> I'd like to find an effective way to completely transfer a list. Even
> membership records have been difficult to retrieve. I had to paste
> and copy them as I can only access the old site through an IP address.
>
> Please advise. Thanks
> Kimi
do you have access to the maiman /lists directory?  the /archives?


-- 
Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
Phone: +1 214-351-4152                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
US Mail: 3535 Gaspar Drive, Dallas, TX 75220-3611


From stephen at xemacs.org  Thu Apr 21 03:17:22 2005
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:17:22 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and spam
In-Reply-To: <p06200705be8c938e64f6@[81.169.71.158]> (Brad Knowles's message
	of "Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:18:13 +0100")
References: <1113982815.4222.7.camel@coredump>
	<p06200705be8c938e64f6@[81.169.71.158]>
Message-ID: <87sm1lvsgt.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Brad" == Brad Knowles <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org> writes:

    >> Now I want that these mails addressed to mailing lists are
    >> deleted by mailman and not held for approval.

    Brad> 	It's better to do this before the message gets to
    Brad> Mailman.  How you do that will depend on your MTA, your mail
    Brad> message scanning system, etc....

Is this necessarily true?  On some systems (my lists' host, for one),
the dominating cost of spam is network bandwidth.  Disk I/O and CPU
are way behind.  So yes, if we can stop spam before we see the
content, we win big.  But as I understand it, even sendmail milters
read the whole message before making a decision.  So our costs remain
basically the same as long as the spam is caught somewhere in the
pipeline.

On the other hand, some of our lists have very different requirements
for spam-filtering than others.  For example, obviously our Japanese
lists can't hold charset=ISO-2022-JP messages, whereas many of our
other lists /dev/null them!  So I prefer to keep such special case
configuration with the rest of the list configuration.

Am I missing something?  I agree that every list admin should consider
what they can do to reject spam as early in the pipeline as possible,
but even in the case of counting Spamassassin ****s one might want to
configure different lists differently.

-- 
School of Systems and Information Engineering http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
               Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.


From stephen at xemacs.org  Thu Apr 21 03:32:14 2005
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:32:14 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
In-Reply-To: <p06200702be8c88cedffe@[81.169.78.239]> (Brad Knowles's message
	of "Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:33:52 +0100")
References: <49917.68.165.89.73.1113941227.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<a0c79e9226776db7e6c21023259d5c4c@memphis.edu>
	<50033.68.165.89.73.1113943587.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<p06200700be8b2da08ee3@[81.169.88.46]>
	<50494.68.165.89.73.1113959203.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<p06200702be8c88cedffe@[81.169.78.239]>
Message-ID: <87oec8x6ch.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Brad" == Brad Knowles <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org> writes:

    Brad> At 9:06 PM -0400 2005-04-19, kalin mintchev wrote:

    >> what is not clear in the statement members_postings_only='yes'?
    >> 'yes' or 'only'? i guess i'm hanging on "only". wouldn't you?

    Brad> 	The problem is that Mailman checks for things such as
    Brad> attachment size, etc... to try to determine whether or not
    Brad> the message should be held for approval, before checking
    Brad> list membership.

    Brad> 	If you want that process changed, you should file a
    Brad> Request For Enhancement at the SourceForge page for the
    Brad> Mailman project.

To change the order, all Kalin has to do is redefine the global
pipeline in mm_cfg.py.  (Well, first he has to update to Mailman 2.1,
but evidently Barry borrowed Guido's time machine---the features he
needs are already in a released Mailman.)

It's a shame that we don't take more advantage of the flexibility that
is offered by this feature.  It is _really_ easy to experiment with
Mailman 2.1 if you know a little Python.  If delivery timeliness is
not of crucial importance, and you don't mess with address headers,
it's even reasonably safe to play with a "live" list---Mailman
requires explicit action to delete a message, so even if you screw up,
the post will end up in the SHUNT or HOLD queues.  Once you're
confident that you've implemented the desired policy, you can start
raising DISCARD instead of HOLD.  It's as simple as that.

-- 
School of Systems and Information Engineering http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
               Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.


From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Thu Apr 21 03:33:07 2005
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:33:07 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and spam
In-Reply-To: <1113982815.4222.7.camel@coredump>
References: <1113982815.4222.7.camel@coredump>
Message-ID: <426702D3.80600@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Andreas Rittershofer wrote:

> Mails I receive are already processed by SpamAssassin, so spam is marked
> with a X-Spam-Level.
> 
> Now I want that these mails addressed to mailing lists are deleted by
> mailman and not held for approval.
> 
> How to do this?

I put this in mm_cfg.py:

KNOWN_SPAMMERS = [
                ('x-spam-flag', 'yes'),
... other stuffs
                 ]

It is better not to use X-Spam-Level because the *'s are special
characters in python regular expression.  Better to tweak in the
spamassassin configuration.

-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/



From 9daskala at informatik.uni-hamburg.de  Thu Apr 21 11:11:42 2005
From: 9daskala at informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Katharina)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:11:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] variable %(addr) not interpreted in customized
	template
Message-ID: <000001c54652$22823b70$c90c6486@kogspc12>

 
I have tried to cusotmize the welcome message in the usual way: created
a directory lists/<mylist>/en and copied templates/subscribeack.txt to
this directory where I edited it. In the new template I wanted as well
to make the address of the welcomed member visible and so I used the
variable %(addr). This has unfortunatelly not worked: What I got back
was the string "%(addr)" itself and no email address. What should I do
to get it write?
 
Thanks!


From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Apr 21 11:24:09 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:24:09 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] variable %(addr) not interpreted in customized
	template
In-Reply-To: <000001c54652$22823b70$c90c6486@kogspc12>
References: <000001c54652$22823b70$c90c6486@kogspc12>
Message-ID: <8ece905b61d86481dac91cb6ec44d66c@onjapan.net>

On Apr 21, 2005, at 18:11, Katharina wrote:

> a directory lists/<mylist>/en and copied templates/subscribeack.txt to
> this directory where I edited it. In the new template I wanted as well
> to make the address of the welcomed member visible and so I used the
> variable %(addr). This has unfortunatelly not worked: What I got back
> was the string "%(addr)" itself and no email address. What should I do
> to get it write?

Try %(user)

You can see the variables that are available for substitution by 
checking mailman/Deliver.py's Deliverer.SendSubscribeAck().

-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman




From anurag at cc4.tifr.res.in  Thu Apr 21 17:30:05 2005
From: anurag at cc4.tifr.res.in (Anurag)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:00:05 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Special characters crash Mailman?
Message-ID: <20050421153005.GA18854@gnowledge.org>

Hello,

I have some hundereds of held messages in mailman, but some mails have
special characters in them. When discarding them, mailman 2.1.5 says
it hit a bug. What i notice is that all other normal messages get
processed except those few. 

Is there any way i can manually delete that email (or all held
mesages) from the filesystem directly? I have some 15000 of held
messages in total so though of taking advice.

I can provide more details if i was not clear.


Anurag




From md69 at md69.co.uk  Thu Apr 21 17:40:20 2005
From: md69 at md69.co.uk (Martin Dennett)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:40:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble posting to a list
Message-ID: <4267C964.3010806@md69.co.uk>

I have a member of a list that I run who is not in the banned members, 
and is trying the very simple task of posting a mail to that list. He's 
forwarding me a copy of the mail and it is obviously being addressed 
correctly. Trouble is, the mail is not hitting the list, it's not 
getting sent to the administrator for approval (which it shouldn't 
anyway as there are no conditions that would cause it to), and the 
sender is not getting any mail back as to why his post is not reaching 
the list. I've even unsubbed and resubbed the member to no avail.

Anybody got any ideas please?

Regards

Martin Dennett


From haack at nclack.k12.or.us  Thu Apr 21 20:02:13 2005
From: haack at nclack.k12.or.us (Robert Haack)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:02:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Resend
Message-ID: <4267EAA5.2090802@nclack.k12.or.us>

I have a couple messages with attachments that are stuck in the 
qfiles/in directory.  I fixed the parameters after these messages were 
sent so that they would go through next time, but I need to get them to 
through now.  Is there a way to tell Mailman to do this, or will I have 
to have the users resend the messages?  I'm using Fedora Core 2, with 
Postfix and Cyrus.

Thank You

-- 
Robert Haack
Programmer Analyst
North Clackamas School District #12
haack at nclack.k12.or.us



From haack at nclack.k12.or.us  Thu Apr 21 22:33:51 2005
From: haack at nclack.k12.or.us (Robert Haack)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:33:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Resend Update
In-Reply-To: <4267EAA5.2090802@nclack.k12.or.us>
References: <4267EAA5.2090802@nclack.k12.or.us>
Message-ID: <42680E2F.60500@nclack.k12.or.us>

Ok after a little more careful viewing on my part I've found the 
following for settings:

Using the web interface under Content Filtering I have Should Mailman 
filter the content of list traffic according to the settings below? set 
to No. 

To me this would imply that Mailman doesn't care if an attachment is 
part of an email.  If this is true then what else could cause these 
messages to be stuck?  I thought about HTML content in the message 
causing a problem but then I remembered that just yesterday I got a 
message that had HTML in it so that can't be the problem either.  Any ideas?

Thank You
<http://nclack.k12.or.us/mailman/admin/all_sub/?VARHELP=contentfilter/filter_content> 


Robert Haack
Programmer Analyst
North Clackamas School District #12
haack at nclack.k12.or.us



Robert Haack wrote:

> I have a couple messages with attachments that are stuck in the 
> qfiles/in directory.  I fixed the parameters after these messages were 
> sent so that they would go through next time, but I need to get them 
> to through now.  Is there a way to tell Mailman to do this, or will I 
> have to have the users resend the messages?  I'm using Fedora Core 2, 
> with Postfix and Cyrus.
>
> Thank You
>


From haack at nclack.k12.or.us  Thu Apr 21 22:40:09 2005
From: haack at nclack.k12.or.us (Robert Haack)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:40:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Resend Update
In-Reply-To: <4267EAA5.2090802@nclack.k12.or.us>
References: <4267EAA5.2090802@nclack.k12.or.us>
Message-ID: <42680FA9.9040006@nclack.k12.or.us>

Ok after a little more careful viewing on my part I've found the 
following for settings:

Using the web interface under Content Filtering I have Should Mailman 
filter the content of list traffic according to the settings below? set 
to No.
To me this would imply that Mailman doesn't care if an attachment is 
part of an email.  If this is true then what else could cause these 
messages to be stuck?  I thought about HTML content in the message 
causing a problem but then I remembered that just yesterday I got a 
message that had HTML in it so that can't be the problem either.  Any 
ideas?

Thank You

Robert Haack
Programmer Analyst
North Clackamas School District #12
haack at nclack.k12.or.us



Robert Haack wrote:

> I have a couple messages with attachments that are stuck in the 
> qfiles/in directory.  I fixed the parameters after these messages were 
> sent so that they would go through next time, but I need to get them 
> to through now.  Is there a way to tell Mailman to do this, or will I 
> have to have the users resend the messages?  I'm using Fedora Core 2, 
> with Postfix and Cyrus.
>
> Thank You
>


From grottolapluie at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 21 02:11:01 2005
From: grottolapluie at yahoo.com (R. S.)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:11:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman
Message-ID: <20050421001101.94669.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com>

Forgive me if I seem a little dense. I would like to use mailman with a very pretty form on my website. Is there any way to make a php or cgi form work with mailman. In other words, i would like someone on my site to fill out a form, and it will put their name in the mailman list and generate an email that will go to them and then they can log in and confirm the email sign up. I think the mailman script is a wonderful thing and puts the power of the list in the individuals hand. One more thing, is that I do not want anyone whatsoever to mail to this list except the administrator. Can the information be modified on the user screen in order to only allow them to change their individual settings or unsubscribe. Or better yet, is there a script that can be written or available that will do all this directly from the pretty web page that I will design, where they never have to log into the mailman screen. In other words they can't see the "backend" of the mail list, or even know that they
 could try to mail to the list. Let me know if something is available or can be written. Thank You
 
r. Silva

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 

From geoff.crompton at strategicdata.com.au  Thu Apr 21 09:20:21 2005
From: geoff.crompton at strategicdata.com.au (Geoff Crompton)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:20:21 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] migration mailman lists,
	dealing with paths in config.db
Message-ID: <42675435.9000901@strategicdata.com.au>

I'm trying to migrate our install of mailman on an old redhat server to 
a shiny old debian server.

Luckily both are running 2.0.11.

I've found that the lists/mylist/config.db file contains the paths to 
the archives. On the debian install the paths are a different location, 
so a variety of commands are failing.

Is there an easy way of updating the paths in the config.db file? I have 
tried the config_list program, it fails when using the -i option, do to 
the difference in paths! Preferably a scripty way, as there are quite a 
few lists to move.

Thanks!
-- 
Geoff Crompton
Debian System Administrator
Strategic Data
+61 3 9340 9000


From kimi at kimbwei.com  Thu Apr 21 01:44:35 2005
From: kimi at kimbwei.com (kim brooks wei)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:44:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Transfer list [complicated]
Message-ID: <a05111b00be8c98d39151@[172.129.76.61]>

My webhost was shut down. I've been able to get access to my site and 
to a limited extent, to my mailman list. But I'm stuck now trying to 
transfer the list archives. I can't understand how to do this. This 
is the second time this has happened to me.

I'd like to find an effective way to completely transfer a list. Even 
membership records have been difficult to retrieve. I had to paste 
and copy them as I can only access the old site through an IP address.

Please advise.
-- 
Kim Brooks Wei
kimbwei.com

V +1. 201.475.1854
mailto:kimi at kimbwei.com


From phylliso at berkeley.edu  Thu Apr 21 19:50:08 2005
From: phylliso at berkeley.edu (Phyllis Orrick)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:50:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about mailman--how many names on a lisit
	will it support
Message-ID: <BE8D35E0.666B%phylliso@berkeley.edu>

Hi there,

UC Berkeley user of major domo here. First of all, great news. Our current
system is creaky to say the least.

Question: I have a couple of lists that have about 3-5,000 names and
currently I have to break them up into two or three lists because major domo
just can't handle all of  them at once.

What's the limit for mailman?

Regards,

Phyllis Orrick

-- 
Phyllis Orrick
Senior Publications Manager
Institute of Transportation Studies
113 McLaughlin Hall
UC Berkeley
Berkeley, CA 94720
510-643-2591
510-642-1246 (fax)
www.its.berkeley.edu





From hmag at ozemail.com.au  Thu Apr 21 23:47:29 2005
From: hmag at ozemail.com.au (Terry Allen)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 07:47:29 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OSX config.pck.last problem possible resolution
In-Reply-To: <42675435.9000901@strategicdata.com.au>
References: <42675435.9000901@strategicdata.com.au>
Message-ID: <p06210202be8dced9dcdd@[203.53.37.182]>

Hi again,
	As some would know, there seems to be an issue with Mailman 
on OSX, where some systems will periodically see the cronjob sending 
an error out to root via email in relation to the file 
config.pck.last not being able to be re-written or whatever.
	I have had this twice now, both times a couple of days after 
a System Update has been applied. On both occasions, I have run 
check_perms & the errors have disappeared. My guess here is that the 
system update (the latest being 10.3.9) seems to have changed 
something critical to Mailman in terms of permissions.
	So, if anyone else is experiencing this problem, I would 
suggest trying to run check_perms & see if the problems disappear. 
Hope this helps.
-- 

	Bye for now, Terry Allen 
	___________________________________________________________________
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From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Apr 21 23:09:49 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:09:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and spam
In-Reply-To: <87sm1lvsgt.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <1113982815.4222.7.camel@coredump>
	<p06200705be8c938e64f6@[81.169.71.158]>
	<87sm1lvsgt.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <p06200702be8dc5eac75d@[81.169.71.158]>

At 10:17 AM +0900 2005-04-21, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

>  Is this necessarily true?  On some systems (my lists' host, for one),
>  the dominating cost of spam is network bandwidth.  Disk I/O and CPU
>  are way behind.  So yes, if we can stop spam before we see the
>  content, we win big.  But as I understand it, even sendmail milters
>  read the whole message before making a decision.  So our costs remain
>  basically the same as long as the spam is caught somewhere in the
>  pipeline.

	You can't figure out what is spam and what isn't without scanning 
the content.  You're going to pay that network cost, period.  In my 
experience, the biggest cost is disk I/O operations in processing 
that message -- which is where sendmail+milter can be a huge win over 
other solutions which write the message to a temporary file and then 
pass that on to another program.

>  Am I missing something?  I agree that every list admin should consider
>  what they can do to reject spam as early in the pipeline as possible,
>  but even in the case of counting Spamassassin ****s one might want to
>  configure different lists differently.

	The earlier you can make decisions as to whether or not to throw 
something away, the better.  If you have to wait until the message 
gets to Mailman, you may be limited in terms of what you can do in 
order to deal with spam.  If you can deal with the spam earlier in 
the process, so much the better.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Apr 21 23:13:44 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:13:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
In-Reply-To: <87oec8x6ch.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <49917.68.165.89.73.1113941227.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<a0c79e9226776db7e6c21023259d5c4c@memphis.edu>
	<50033.68.165.89.73.1113943587.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<p06200700be8b2da08ee3@[81.169.88.46]>
	<50494.68.165.89.73.1113959203.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<p06200702be8c88cedffe@[81.169.78.239]>
	<87oec8x6ch.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <p06200703be8dc7351518@[81.169.71.158]>

At 10:32 AM +0900 2005-04-21, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

>  It's a shame that we don't take more advantage of the flexibility that
>  is offered by this feature.  It is _really_ easy to experiment with
>  Mailman 2.1 if you know a little Python.

	If you know a little Python.

	If you can afford to run something other than an official release version.

	If you can go mucking about with a production server and risk 
blowing up all the mailing lists, just to try out a little hack.


	Programmers tend to think that everyone else in the world is a 
programmer, and then are amazed when others are not capable of doing 
the things that they find so easy.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Thu Apr 21 23:53:43 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:53:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about mailman--how many
	names on a lisit 	will it support
In-Reply-To: <BE8D35E0.666B%phylliso@berkeley.edu>
References: <BE8D35E0.666B%phylliso@berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <p06200706be8dd1477163@[81.169.70.211]>

At 10:50 AM -0700 2005-04-21, Phyllis Orrick wrote:

>  Question: I have a couple of lists that have about 3-5,000 names and
>  currently I have to break them up into two or three lists because major domo
>  just can't handle all of  them at once.
>
>  What's the limit for mailman?

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.015.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From john at wa9als.com  Thu Apr 21 23:55:06 2005
From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:55:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman
In-Reply-To: <20050421001101.94669.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050421001101.94669.qmail@web52403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200504211655.06948.john@wa9als.com>

On Wednesday 20 April 2005 07:11 pm, R. S. wrote:
> Forgive me if I seem a little dense. I would like to use mailman with a
> very pretty form on my website. Is there any way to make a php or cgi form
> work with mailman. In other words, i would like someone on my site to fill
> out a form, and it will put their name in the mailman list and generate an
> email that will go to them and then they can log in and confirm the email
> sign up. I think the mailman script is a wonderful thing and puts the power
> of the list in the individuals hand. One more thing, is that I do not want
> anyone whatsoever to mail to this list except the administrator. Can the
> information be modified on the user screen in order to only allow them to
> change their individual settings or unsubscribe. Or better yet, is there a
> script that can be written or available that will do all this directly from
> the pretty web page that I will design, where they never have to log into
> the mailman screen. In other words they can't see the "backend" of the mail
> list, or even know ! that they
>  could try to mail to the list. Let me know if something is available or
> can be written. Thank You
>
> r. Silva

The html to put on your website for people to use to subscribe to your list is 
in the Mailman FAQ:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.33

 When you set up the list, you can turn on moderation such that only the admin 
can post.



From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com  Fri Apr 22 03:00:36 2005
From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:00:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OSX config.pck.last problem possible
 resolution
In-Reply-To: <p06210202be8dced9dcdd@[203.53.37.182]>
Message-ID: <BE8DB6E4.98D2%lstone19@stonejongleux.com>

On 4/21/05 4:47 PM, Terry Allen at hmag at ozemail.com.au wrote:

> As some would know, there seems to be an issue with Mailman
> on OSX, where some systems will periodically see the cronjob sending
> an error out to root via email in relation to the file
> config.pck.last not being able to be re-written or whatever.
> I have had this twice now, both times a couple of days after
> a System Update has been applied. On both occasions, I have run
> check_perms & the errors have disappeared. My guess here is that the
> system update (the latest being 10.3.9) seems to have changed
> something critical to Mailman in terms of permissions.
> So, if anyone else is experiencing this problem, I would
> suggest trying to run check_perms & see if the problems disappear.

Interesting. I updated to 10.3.9 last night and have had no problems.
Checking in my mailman directory, I see config.pck and config.pck.last files
that all have update times since the OS update.

I have not run Mac OS X's "repair disk permissions" since the update. I know
many people recommend doing so both before and after applying any OS update
but I've found doing so actually causes me problems - it changes the
permissions on /var/mail to something pine does not like.

-- Larry Stone
   lstone19 at stonejongleux.com
   http://www.stonejongleux.com/




From jwblist at olympus.net  Fri Apr 22 05:21:37 2005
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:21:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OSX config.pck.last problem possible
 resolution
In-Reply-To: <BE8DB6E4.98D2%lstone19@stonejongleux.com>
Message-ID: <BE8DBBD1.463C%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 4/21/2005 18:00, "Larry Stone" <lstone19 at stonejongleux.com> wrote:

> I have not run Mac OS X's "repair disk permissions" since the update. I know
> many people recommend doing so both before and after applying any OS update
> but I've found doing so actually causes me problems - it changes the
> permissions on /var/mail to something pine does not like.

Yes, it does (to 775).  So I change them back to 1777 after running repair
permissions.

  sudo chmod 1777 /var/mail

Not very painful.  (1777 allows the U of Washington libraries to create the
"hitching post" files they want to in /var/mail.  The 1 prevents the world
from deleting any file that that particular world user didn't create.  File
permissions prevent the wrong user from reading others' mail.)

  --John




From jwblist at olympus.net  Fri Apr 22 05:26:28 2005
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:26:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble posting to a list
In-Reply-To: <4267C964.3010806@md69.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BE8DBCF4.463E%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 4/21/2005 8:40, "Martin Dennett" <md69 at md69.co.uk> wrote:

> I have a member of a list that I run who is not in the banned members,
> and is trying the very simple task of posting a mail to that list. He's
> forwarding me a copy of the mail and it is obviously being addressed
> correctly. Trouble is, the mail is not hitting the list, it's not
> getting sent to the administrator for approval (which it shouldn't
> anyway as there are no conditions that would cause it to), and the
> sender is not getting any mail back as to why his post is not reaching
> the list. I've even unsubbed and resubbed the member to no avail.
> 
> Anybody got any ideas please?

You need to check the MTAs logs to find out whether the message even arrived
on the Mailman machine, and if so what happened to it.  If it got there and
was sent to Mailman in the usual way, then check the Mailman post log and
some of the others.

If you don't have access to the machine, this will be more difficult (or
more expensive, if the provider charges you for their time).

  --John




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Fri Apr 22 06:09:09 2005
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:09:09 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6  2nd release candidate
Message-ID: <426878E5.8050303@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi all,

Afrer the release of RC1, we had a couple of reasons to delay the final, 
including a move of FSF office in the end of this month which are to be 
included in all the copyleft notices in the files.  I will also become 
busy on my paid duties and the final release of 2.1.6 may not occur by 
the middle of May. :-<  So, we have much time to test or translate this 
2nd release candidate for the final 2.1.6.

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103
or
http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.6rc2.tgz


Cheers,
-- 
Tokio Kikuchi tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/




From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr 22 05:35:39 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:35:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] migration mailman lists,
	dealing with paths in config.db
In-Reply-To: <42675435.9000901@strategicdata.com.au>
Message-ID: <PC17462005042120353907506f45bad5@Notebook>

Geoff Crompton wrote:

>I'm trying to migrate our install of mailman on an old redhat server to 
>a shiny old debian server.
>
>Luckily both are running 2.0.11.

Luckier still if the new server had a 2.1.x version because then you
could use bin/fix_url.py (a withlist script) to fix the problem below.
As it is, you'll probably have to make your own withlist script to do
this.

>I've found that the lists/mylist/config.db file contains the paths to 
>the archives. On the debian install the paths are a different location, 
>so a variety of commands are failing.
>
>Is there an easy way of updating the paths in the config.db file? I have 
>tried the config_list program, it fails when using the -i option, do to 
>the difference in paths! Preferably a scripty way, as there are quite a 
>few lists to move.

You need a bin/withlist script.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Apr 22 06:39:38 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:39:38 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] migration mailman lists,
	dealing with paths in config.db
In-Reply-To: <42675435.9000901@strategicdata.com.au>
References: <42675435.9000901@strategicdata.com.au>
Message-ID: <ce2f7044a3be52151f132b6003bcf484@onjapan.net>

On Apr 21, 2005, at 16:20, Geoff Crompton wrote:

> Is there an easy way of updating the paths in the config.db file? I 
> have tried the config_list program, it fails when using the -i option, 
> do to the difference in paths! Preferably a scripty way, as there are 
> quite a few lists to move.

What is the error message?  (I'm surprised that it fails.)

But ignoring that... it might be easiest to work around the problem by 
creating symbolic links at the old locations... at least long enough to 
update them.

You could use bin/withlist to modify all your lists.  (Run it with no 
arguments  for help.  In particular, not the section where it explains 
the -r argument.)

-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman



From hmag at ozemail.com.au  Fri Apr 22 07:32:30 2005
From: hmag at ozemail.com.au (Terry Allen)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:32:30 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OSX config.pck.last problem possible resolution
In-Reply-To: <BE8DB6E4.98D2%lstone19@stonejongleux.com>
References: <BE8DB6E4.98D2%lstone19@stonejongleux.com>
Message-ID: <p06210201be8e3ca39098@[203.53.37.182]>

>On 4/21/05 4:47 PM, Terry Allen at hmag at ozemail.com.au wrote:
>
>>  As some would know, there seems to be an issue with Mailman
>>  on OSX, where some systems will periodically see the cronjob sending
>>  an error out to root via email in relation to the file
>>  config.pck.last not being able to be re-written or whatever.
>>  I have had this twice now, both times a couple of days after
>>  a System Update has been applied. On both occasions, I have run
>>  check_perms & the errors have disappeared. My guess here is that the
>>  system update (the latest being 10.3.9) seems to have changed
>>  something critical to Mailman in terms of permissions.
>>  So, if anyone else is experiencing this problem, I would
>>  suggest trying to run check_perms & see if the problems disappear.
>
>Interesting. I updated to 10.3.9 last night and have had no problems.
>Checking in my mailman directory, I see config.pck and config.pck.last files
>that all have update times since the OS update.
>
>I have not run Mac OS X's "repair disk permissions" since the update. I know
>many people recommend doing so both before and after applying any OS update
>but I've found doing so actually causes me problems - it changes the
>permissions on /var/mail to something pine does not like.
>
>-- Larry Stone
>    lstone19 at stonejongleux.com
>    http://www.stonejongleux.com/
Hi again,
	Yes, I agree. It doesn't happen straight away - I had 3 days 
of runtime after the update before that problem showed up again. I 
have no answer & it does not seem to happen on every OSX installation 
either.
-- 

	Bye for now, Terry Allen 
	___________________________________________________________________
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From 9daskala at informatik.uni-hamburg.de  Fri Apr 22 10:41:52 2005
From: 9daskala at informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Katharina)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:41:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Approved:" header not stripped from mail delivered
	to list...
Message-ID: <000001c54717$21d982d0$c90c6486@kogspc12>

Hi! 
 
After trying out the "Approved: <list-moderator-pwd> "as the first line
in the content of a mail I wanted to post to a (test) list, as described
in some archive entries of the mailman-users mailing list, I found out
that my mail was ideed posted to the list passing through moderation but
the header-like first line I had added for that porpose was not stripped
as it was supposed to be. What has gone wrong?
 
Thanks a lot,
katharina


From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Apr 22 10:52:16 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:52:16 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Approved:" header not stripped from mail
	delivered to list...
In-Reply-To: <000001c54717$21d982d0$c90c6486@kogspc12>
References: <000001c54717$21d982d0$c90c6486@kogspc12>
Message-ID: <342266914f7941066ed37307dd975b1b@onjapan.net>

On Apr 22, 2005, at 17:41, Katharina wrote:

> After trying out the "Approved: <list-moderator-pwd> "as the first line
> in the content of a mail I wanted to post to a (test) list, as 
> described
> in some archive entries of the mailman-users mailing list, I found out
> that my mail was ideed posted to the list passing through moderation 
> but
> the header-like first line I had added for that porpose was not 
> stripped
> as it was supposed to be. What has gone wrong?

Did your message consist of only a single plain-text part?  (The 
Approved: header is not stripped from other parts, like an RTF or HTML 
version in a multipart-alternative message.)

-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman



From chad at shire.net  Fri Apr 22 10:57:25 2005
From: chad at shire.net (Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 02:57:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] indexing and searching private archives
Message-ID: <e55a26a8937e71c4f3b52f77130d5cb0@shire.net>


I was wondering what sort of add-ons or patches or whatever are 
available to allow people with permission to search private mailman 
archives.

I have seen various patches or add-ons for mailman that allow one to 
search public archives, but because they work by crawling the archives 
to set up their indices through normal http, I cannot see how they will 
work with private archives since the private archives are protected.

Thanks for any ideas on this
Chad



From nikos at qbit.gr  Fri Apr 22 11:03:38 2005
From: nikos at qbit.gr (nikos)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:03:38 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] inserting new members
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAfQ7WLtcI+kOikS+RNpRPS8KAAAAQAAAAeYjW4kofEUGAj2ABap4QiQEAAAAA@qbit.gr>

Hello list.

Is there a way in mass subscription to insert not only mails but names?

Thank you

  _____  

 
?????? ????? - Gatsis Nikos
Web developer
tel.: 2108256721 - 2108256722
fax: 2108256712
email: nikos at qbit.gr
http://www.qbit.gr 



From sythos at sythos.net  Fri Apr 22 11:04:48 2005
From: sythos at sythos.net (Sythos)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:04:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] indexing and searching private archives
In-Reply-To: <e55a26a8937e71c4f3b52f77130d5cb0@shire.net>
References: <e55a26a8937e71c4f3b52f77130d5cb0@shire.net>
Message-ID: <20050422090448.GA26048@sythos.net>

On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 02:57:25AM -0600, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
> I have seen various patches or add-ons for mailman that allow one to 
> search public archives, but because they work by crawling the archives 
> to set up their indices through normal http, I cannot see how they will 
> work with private archives since the private archives are protected.

I'm an happy user of Namazu (search engine), there is a good patch on
patch archive, it work greatly on private archive (I have *ONLY* private
archive)

Regards
	Sythos

-- 

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From sythos at sythos.net  Fri Apr 22 11:06:39 2005
From: sythos at sythos.net (Sythos)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:06:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] inserting new members
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAfQ7WLtcI+kOikS+RNpRPS8KAAAAQAAAAeYjW4kofEUGAj2ABap4QiQEAAAAA@qbit.gr>
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAfQ7WLtcI+kOikS+RNpRPS8KAAAAQAAAAeYjW4kofEUGAj2ABap4QiQEAAAAA@qbit.gr>
Message-ID: <20050422090639.GB26048@sythos.net>

On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 12:03:38PM +0300, nikos wrote:
> Is there a way in mass subscription to insert not only mails but names?

In mass_subscription page, fill the form:

Jack <jack at itsdomain.tld>
Steve <steve at otherdomain.tld>
etc. <etc at etc.tld>

regards
	Sythos

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From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Apr 22 11:11:33 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 18:11:33 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] inserting new members
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAfQ7WLtcI+kOikS+RNpRPS8KAAAAQAAAAeYjW4kofEUGAj2ABap4QiQEAAAAA@qbit.gr>
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAfQ7WLtcI+kOikS+RNpRPS8KAAAAQAAAAeYjW4kofEUGAj2ABap4QiQEAAAAA@qbit.gr>
Message-ID: <778fe372b928ee017f84cefb12c71621@onjapan.net>

On Apr 22, 2005, at 18:03, nikos wrote:

> Is there a way in mass subscription to insert not only mails but names?

You can enter names and bracketed email addresses in the mass 
subscription form.
     Joe Subscriber <joe at example.com>

The bin/add_members script can also accept real names, and is often 
more convenient than the "mass subscription" web form if you have shell 
access on the server.

-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman



From mmm at nv.jakaranda.co.za  Fri Apr 22 14:44:50 2005
From: mmm at nv.jakaranda.co.za (Nico)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:44:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listing bouncing addresses
Message-ID: <200504221444.50823.mmm@nv.jakaranda.co.za>

Hi,

from a previous mail:

On Tuesday 19 April 2005 04:59 pm, Michael Loftis wrote:
> IS there any pre-built way of getting a list of users disabled for bouncing
> for a given list (CLI or web...)?  Or am I just going to have to throw
> something together using withlist?
bin/list_members --nomail=bybounce [listname]


I did this on my list, but it does not give me the addresses with a bounce
score > 0.

How do I get a list of all the subscribers with a bounce score > 0 (and not
de-activated)?

Thanks

Nico



From david at midrange.com  Fri Apr 22 16:55:39 2005
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:55:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove original message from -request mail
	response?
In-Reply-To: <00956BFB-4356-11D9-A07E-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
References: <coagah$995$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<00956BFB-4356-11D9-A07E-000A957919FA@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <4269106B.7070509@midrange.com>

Jim Tittsler wrote:
>> Does anyone know if there is a way to NOT include the original email
>> when commands sent to the -request address responds?
> In Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py, try commenting out the section at the
> end of Results.send_response:

Ach, reply to this ... thanks very much for the patch.  It did exactly
what I was looking for.

> I would be concerned that doing that might make it more difficult for
> legitimate users to figure out what went wrong with their mail to the
> -request address though.

Not a major concern for me ... as few of my users interact with mailman
through email.

david


From fleishman at maglaw.net  Fri Apr 22 18:00:13 2005
From: fleishman at maglaw.net (Dave Fleishman)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:00:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange threading view on archives
Message-ID: <p06200428be8ed008942a@[192.168.0.2]>

When I access the threaded views on the archives of our list, the 
threads continue moving to the right excessively until they are 
completely off the page.  You have to scroll right to see them at 
all.  Is there a way to fix this?

I'd really like it to look like this:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Also, does anyone have any tips on a good search facility like used 
on the page above?  I don't have direct access to the server, so I 
have to have simple instructions to the server people.

Thanks!

From shaggyshags at gmail.com  Fri Apr 22 18:39:52 2005
From: shaggyshags at gmail.com (Dave Pisarek)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:39:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases file in Mailman owner by root
Message-ID: <cbd337c0504220939606bc8a@mail.gmail.com>

Each time I attempt to create a list in Mailman version 2.1.5 I
receive the following:

RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)

When I check the aliases file it is owned by root in the group mailman,
-rw-rw----  1 root mailman 3523 Apr 22 07:15 aliases

I change the owner back to mailman and then it just changes back. My
Default.py and mm_cfg.py files are default, here is a small snapshot:

Default.py shows mailman owner and group as:
MAILMAN_USER = 'mailman'
MAILMAN_GROUP = 'mailman'

mm_cfg.py shows as:
MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

The MTA is Postfix 

Funny thing is that it still creates the list and adds the aliases for
said list into the aliases file.

Anyone ever see this or have a fix?

--Dave


From shaggyshags at gmail.com  Fri Apr 22 19:00:24 2005
From: shaggyshags at gmail.com (Dave Pisarek)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:00:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases file in Mailman owner by root
In-Reply-To: <5feac73c5eeb9306871120c896b6ee14@memphis.edu>
References: <cbd337c0504220939606bc8a@mail.gmail.com>
	<5feac73c5eeb9306871120c896b6ee14@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <cbd337c0504221000a766b14@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/22/05, Dan Phillips <dhphllps at memphis.edu> wrote:
> 
> On Apr 22, 2005, at 11:39 AM, Dave Pisarek wrote:
> > RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
> > /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
> >
> > When I check the aliases file it is owned by root in the group mailman,
> > -rw-rw----  1 root mailman 3523 Apr 22 07:15 aliases
> >
> 
> The usual cause of this (it's in the FAQ, btw) is that aliases.db is
> not group writable, and check_perms doesn't catch it. Mine are:
> 
> -rw-rw----  1 mailman  mailman  19749 Oct 11  2004 aliases
> -rw-rw-r--  1 mailman  mailman  36864 Oct 11  2004 aliases.db
> 
> I don't know about the changing owner issue, however. I would think it
> wouldn't matter as long as it's still group mailman.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> ================================
> Dan Phillips
> Professor of Horn, University of Memphis
> webmaster: http://music.memphis.edu
> 
> 
Good call but did not help. After changing the perms on aliases.db to
664 it still did the same:

-rw-rw----   1 root    mailman  3523 Apr 22 07:53 aliases
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman mailman 49152 Apr 22 07:53 aliases.db

The list is created:
# CREATED: Fri Apr 22 07:53:43 2005
dave:             "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post dave"
dave-admin:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin dave"
dave-bounces:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces dave"
dave-confirm:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm dave"
dave-join:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join dave"
dave-leave:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave dave"
dave-owner:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner dave"
dave-request:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request dave"
dave-subscribe:   "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe dave"
dave-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe dave"

Just throw off the same error as before and did not send the list
created e-mail.


-- 
-- Dave


From Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org  Fri Apr 22 19:49:44 2005
From: Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org (Staven Bruce)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:49:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Contact Mailing Address
Message-ID: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E85C5@sjvapcd-mail>

Hi All,

I've reviewed the FAQ's but didn't find what I was looking for, so I'm
hoping someone here will have an idea. I'm running Mailman 2.1.5 and on the
standard 'Lists Overview Page', underneath the 'Welcome Message', there is a
text line that states, "If you are having trouble using the lists, please
contact mailman at mydoman.com". I am trying to figure out how to configure
Mailman so that messages sent to 'mailman at mydomain.com' go to a specific
address such as john.smith at mydomain.com. I thought perhaps this could be set
in the aliases file, but I didn't see any obvious place to do it. Any
suggestions?



From jardar at nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Apr 22 19:58:25 2005
From: jardar at nvg.ntnu.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jardar_Eggesb=F8_Abrahamsen?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:58:25 +0200 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Contact Mailing Address
In-Reply-To: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E85C5@sjvapcd-mail>
References: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E85C5@sjvapcd-mail>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0504221956500.5526@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no>

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Staven Bruce wrote:

> I am trying to figure out how to configure
> Mailman so that messages sent to 'mailman at mydomain.com' go to a specific
> address such as john.smith at mydomain.com.

http://your-server/mailman/admin/mailman/members

Jardar


From Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org  Fri Apr 22 20:17:24 2005
From: Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org (Staven Bruce)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:17:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Contact Mailing Address
Message-ID: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E85C6@sjvapcd-mail>

I hope I'm just not missing the forest for the trees, but when I go to
http://your-server/mailman/admin/mailman/members, the only options I have
are to view the Members List, or tend to Addtional Member Tasks. Am I just
missing it? I can go down into Mass Subscriptions or Mass Removals, however
I don't see an option their either. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jardar Eggesb? Abrahamsen [mailto:jardar at nvg.ntnu.no]
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 10:58 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing Contact Mailing Address


On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Staven Bruce wrote:

> I am trying to figure out how to configure
> Mailman so that messages sent to 'mailman at mydomain.com' go to a specific
> address such as john.smith at mydomain.com.

http://your-server/mailman/admin/mailman/members

Jardar
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From jdennis at redhat.com  Fri Apr 22 21:07:41 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:07:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Contact Mailing Address
In-Reply-To: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E85C6@sjvapcd-mail>
References: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E85C6@sjvapcd-mail>
Message-ID: <1114196861.3911.78.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>

On Fri, 2005-04-22 at 11:17 -0700, Staven Bruce wrote:
> I hope I'm just not missing the forest for the trees, but when I go to
> http://your-server/mailman/admin/mailman/members, the only options I have
> are to view the Members List, or tend to Addtional Member Tasks. Am I just
> missing it? I can go down into Mass Subscriptions or Mass Removals, however
> I don't see an option their either. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jardar Eggesb? Abrahamsen [mailto:jardar at nvg.ntnu.no]
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 10:58 AM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing Contact Mailing Address
> 
> 
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Staven Bruce wrote:
> 
> > I am trying to figure out how to configure
> > Mailman so that messages sent to 'mailman at mydomain.com' go to a specific
> > address such as john.smith at mydomain.com.
> 
> http://your-server/mailman/admin/mailman/members

It's not the members page, its the General Options page,
http://your-server/mailman/admin/mailman

It the second item down labeled "The list administrator email
addresses."
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From jardar at nvg.ntnu.no  Fri Apr 22 21:41:16 2005
From: jardar at nvg.ntnu.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jardar_Eggesb=F8_Abrahamsen?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:41:16 +0200 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Contact Mailing Address
In-Reply-To: <1114196861.3911.78.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>
References: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E85C6@sjvapcd-mail>
	<1114196861.3911.78.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0504222135580.6186@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no>

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, John Dennis wrote:

> It's not the members page, its the General Options page,
> http://your-server/mailman/admin/mailman
> 
> It the second item down labeled "The list administrator email
> addresses."

Wouldn't that be the address that messages for mailman-owner at domain.tld 
are sent to? Whereas messages for mailman at domain.tld are sent to the 
member(s) of the mailman list? Or did I miss something?

Jardar


From Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org  Fri Apr 22 21:52:05 2005
From: Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org (Staven Bruce)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:52:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Contact Mailing Address
Message-ID: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E85CB@sjvapcd-mail>

I was of the same mind as Jardar, as I too thought that was for the
mailman-owner. What I am noticing is that if I send mail to the
mailman at mydomain.com account, I personnally do not receive anything. This is
confusing because my personal address, john.smith at mydomain.com is the list
administrator address for the two lists I currently have. E-mail to and from
the lists works just fine, and scripted e-mails that are sent to me from the
server via the same MTA(sendmail) reach me just fine too. So I'm thinking
that I need to change a config within Mailman, but I don't know where. Any
more ideas would be appreciated.    

-----Original Message-----
From: Jardar Eggesb? Abrahamsen [mailto:jardar at nvg.ntnu.no]
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 12:41 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Changing Contact Mailing Address


On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, John Dennis wrote:

> It's not the members page, its the General Options page,
> http://your-server/mailman/admin/mailman
> 
> It the second item down labeled "The list administrator email
> addresses."

Wouldn't that be the address that messages for mailman-owner at domain.tld 
are sent to? Whereas messages for mailman at domain.tld are sent to the 
member(s) of the mailman list? Or did I miss something?

Jardar
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From jdennis at redhat.com  Fri Apr 22 22:03:14 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:03:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Contact Mailing Address
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0504222135580.6186@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no>
References: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E85C6@sjvapcd-mail>
	<1114196861.3911.78.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.60.0504222135580.6186@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no>
Message-ID: <1114200194.3911.91.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>

On Fri, 2005-04-22 at 21:41 +0200, Jardar Eggesb? Abrahamsen wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, John Dennis wrote:
> 
> > It's not the members page, its the General Options page,
> > http://your-server/mailman/admin/mailman
> > 
> > It the second item down labeled "The list administrator email
> > addresses."
> 
> Wouldn't that be the address that messages for mailman-owner at domain.tld 
> are sent to? Whereas messages for mailman at domain.tld are sent to the 
> member(s) of the mailman list? Or did I miss something?

People don't email to the mailman list, its not meant to exist as a
mailing list. It serves a structural (admin) purpose, for example so
there is an origin for password reminders. There are normally no members
of the mailman list, its a special list often called the "site list".
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From ziegler at sonoma.edu  Fri Apr 22 22:14:46 2005
From: ziegler at sonoma.edu (Jack Ziegler)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:14:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple moderator messages
Message-ID: <42695B36.6080601@sonoma.edu>

Hello,

We recently installed mailman 2.1.5, and are just starting to move it 
into production.  There are a couple of problems:

1) the checkdbs job is generating multiple messages to owners/moderators 
of lists, notifying them of pending messages.  The cron logs show a 
single run, but the smtp logs show 3 "injections" into the mailman queue 
for "list-owner" of a list.

2) when a new list is created the owner gets a message saying there are 
"-1 moderator requests waiting".  Logging into the admin interface for 
the list (and finding no requests waiting), clears this.

Has anyone seen either of these problems??

Thanks for your help,

Jack Ziegler
Sonoma State University


From nitin.raheja at freescale.com  Fri Apr 22 23:49:35 2005
From: nitin.raheja at freescale.com (Raheja Nitin-NITINR)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:49:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Selective HTML attachments get zipped
Message-ID: <3FADD461F8FBD8118BB0000F20D7A55F090363DD@az33exm43.am.freescale.net>

Hi,
 
We have Mailman version 2.1.2 running. I recently ran into a queer problem: Selective HTML attachments sent to any list on our site are getting zipped. Mailman seems to be zipping them as they are not zipped when addressed directly to an email address. I have verified that any content filtering is turned off and this only happens with a couple of HTML files. I am able to email other HTML attachments to the lists successfully without Mailman zipping them.  
 
These HTML's are generated by Word, though other HTMLs generated by Word go through to the list unzipped. The size is not a problem as the files getting zipped are ~100k. Due to the confidential nature of parts of the document I am not attaching it here.
 
Has anyone experienced this behavior with Mailman? Any insight would be appreciated.
 
Thanks!
Nitin.
 
Nitin.Raheja at Freescale.com <mailto:Nitin.Raheja at Freescale.com> 
Engineering Support Services
Freescale Semiconductor


From Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org  Sat Apr 23 00:35:07 2005
From: Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org (Staven Bruce)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:35:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Contact Mailing Address
Message-ID: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E85D2@sjvapcd-mail>

Ok, so I've figured my issue out, but I would really appreciate someone
explianing to me what's happening. I'm using Mailman version 2.1.5 on Red
Hat Enterprise 3.0 update 4. Originally, Mailman made two entries in
/etc/aliases under 'Mailman Aliases':

	#mailman aliases

	mailman:        postmaster
	mailman-owner: mailman

However when I set up the recommended 'Mailman' site list, these two entries
were duplicated under 'Mailman Mailing List':

	#mailman mailing list
	mailman:              "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
	mailman-owner:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"

As a result, /etc/aliases was complaining about having identical aliases. So
what I decided to comment out one of the duplicate entries. 

However, what I found was that if I commented out the 'mailman' entry under
the 'Mailman Aliases' section, any mail sent to mailman at mydomain.com
**seemed** to disappear. It wasn't sent to me, it wasn't returned and it
wasn't held in the MTA que. 

But then I found if I uncommented the 'mailman' entry under the 'Mailman
Aliases' section and commented out the 'mailman' entry under the 'Mailman
Mailng List' section, then mail sent to mailman at mydomain.com was delivered
to me with no problem. So, now I'm just trying to figure out why this
happens? Any ideas?

  

-----Original Message-----
From: John Dennis [mailto:jdennis at redhat.com]
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 1:03 PM
To: Jardar Eggesb? Abrahamsen
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Changing Contact Mailing Address


On Fri, 2005-04-22 at 21:41 +0200, Jardar Eggesb? Abrahamsen wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, John Dennis wrote:
> 
> > It's not the members page, its the General Options page,
> > http://your-server/mailman/admin/mailman
> > 
> > It the second item down labeled "The list administrator email
> > addresses."
> 
> Wouldn't that be the address that messages for mailman-owner at domain.tld 
> are sent to? Whereas messages for mailman at domain.tld are sent to the 
> member(s) of the mailman list? Or did I miss something?

People don't email to the mailman list, its not meant to exist as a
mailing list. It serves a structural (admin) purpose, for example so
there is an origin for password reminders. There are normally no members
of the mailman list, its a special list often called the "site list".
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>

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From dean at dean-martin.com  Sat Apr 23 12:05:23 2005
From: dean at dean-martin.com (Dean Martin)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 06:05:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message rejected by filter rule match
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1114250135.26688.mailman-users@python.org>
Message-ID: <0db501c547eb$f74666c0$0100a8c0@deanwork>

I have a mailing list that just stopped working.  Any message sent to it is
bounced back with one line in the email

Message rejected by filter rule match

I don't have any filter rules set in the configuration.

Any ideas how to fix it?

Thanks,
Dean



From msapiro at value.net  Sat Apr 23 15:01:25 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 06:01:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message rejected by filter rule match
In-Reply-To: <0db501c547eb$f74666c0$0100a8c0@deanwork>
Message-ID: <PC1746200504230601250296022ae981@Notebook>

Dean Martin wrote:

>I have a mailing list that just stopped working.  Any message sent to it is
>bounced back with one line in the email
>
>Message rejected by filter rule match
>
>I don't have any filter rules set in the configuration.

Are you sure? This message comes from Mailman/Handlers/SpamDetect.py
when a spam filter rule with Reject action is matched. I don't think
it comes from anywhere else.

Check Privacy options...->Spam filters->header_filter_rules and make
sure that any rule's action is set to Defer.

--
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan



From heather at madrone.com  Sat Apr 23 18:42:31 2005
From: heather at madrone.com (Heather Madrone)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 09:42:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message rejected by filter rule match
In-Reply-To: <PC1746200504230601250296022ae981@Notebook>
References: <PC1746200504230601250296022ae981@Notebook>
Message-ID: <p0621025fbe902a779aa0@[192.168.123.100]>

At 6:01 AM -0700 4/23/05, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>Dean Martin wrote:
>
>>I have a mailing list that just stopped working.  Any message sent to it is
>>bounced back with one line in the email
>>
>>Message rejected by filter rule match
>>
>>I don't have any filter rules set in the configuration.
>
>Are you sure? This message comes from Mailman/Handlers/SpamDetect.py
>when a spam filter rule with Reject action is matched. I don't think
>it comes from anywhere else.
>
>Check Privacy options...->Spam filters->header_filter_rules and make
>sure that any rule's action is set to Defer.

If everything looks okay otherwise, I'd try stopping Mailman and
then restarting it.  Or rebooting, if you have the luxury of bringing
the server down for a bit.

-- 
Heather Madrone  (heather at madrone.com)  http://www.madrone.com

A rolling stone gathers no mass.


From desi6n at myway.com  Fri Apr 22 17:23:01 2005
From: desi6n at myway.com (desi6n at myway.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:23:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe and unsubscribe not working
Message-ID: <20050422152301.F00D4605FE@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Hello, When I send an email to (as an example) mylisyname-request at mywebsite.com with the subject subscribe - it does not subscribe me. When I send an email to (as an example) mylisyname-request at mywebsite.com with the subject unsubscribe it does not unsubscribe me. I can subscribe and unsubscribe through the administration page but not through email - any ideas why? Thanks

_______________________________________________
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From reneth at comcast.net  Sat Apr 23 01:28:10 2005
From: reneth at comcast.net (Reneth Oliver)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:28:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] preventing subcriber posting
Message-ID: <009d01c54792$f2989390$6400a8c0@ren>

Hi,

How do I prevent posting to my mailing list using mailman?  I only want to be able to send mail to my subscribers, not have thme post too.

Thanks,
Reneth

From librusa at bellsouth.net  Sat Apr 23 03:51:46 2005
From: librusa at bellsouth.net (Maritza Carvajal)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:51:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web base administrations for Mailman
Message-ID: <1114221106.4061.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi, I am very interesting in using the mailman to manage a mailing list.
The problem is that I am a novice in coding.  Is there any way that I
can manage the program from a web based user friendly interface?

Regards,

Maritza 



From stuart at aurora-solutions.co.uk  Sat Apr 23 19:13:10 2005
From: stuart at aurora-solutions.co.uk (O'Reilly, Stuart)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:13:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] preventing subcriber posting
In-Reply-To: <009d01c54792$f2989390$6400a8c0@ren>
References: <009d01c54792$f2989390$6400a8c0@ren>
Message-ID: <426A8226.2080203@aurora-solutions.co.uk>

> Hi,
> 
> How do I prevent posting to my mailing list using mailman?  I only want to be able to send mail to my subscribers, not have thme post too.
> 
> Thanks,
> Reneth

You want to set up a mailing list for announcements only. Read the 
following FAQ:

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From mjl at ludgatefarms.com  Sat Apr 23 16:03:41 2005
From: mjl at ludgatefarms.com (Michael J. Ludgate)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:03:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] appended email addresses on probe?
Message-ID: <426A55BD.1020006@ludgatefarms.com>

My customers are upset about privacy issues .. re: appended email 
addresses on the new bounce probe. I maintain 3 lists tat are all set up 
as announce only and my subcribers are kind of paranoid about emmail 
privacy ... so please consider removing the appended email eddresses on 
a "bounce probe" not sure of the terminology, but I will attach an 
example below ...
-Mike

-- 
Michael J. Ludgate - Ludgate Farms
1552 Hanshaw Rd., Ithaca, NY 14850
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http://www.ludgatefarms.com/
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Here it is.

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Salad dressing Demo April 23rd & 24th ..

<http://www.ludgatefarms.com/map.html>Hi-

Join us for a Salad Dressings tasting... at Ludgate Farms, : all day 
Saturday and Sunday. Some new flavors on the lineup: such as Cilantro 
Lime Dressing and Champagne Shallot Walnut Dressing both from Stonewall 
Kitchen. We will have Ingandello's (made in NYS) out for taste testing 
too.... We have lot's of pansies out for sale, some herbs in pots and a 
few perennials. http://www.ludgatefarms.com/
<http://www.ludgatefarms.com/>
-Mike












-- Michael J. Ludgate - Ludgate Farms 1552 Hanshaw Rd., Ithaca, NY 14850 
OPEN 9 am - 9 pm; 7 days per week http://www.ludgatefarms.com/ Telephone 
607-257-1765 Support your local independent retailers. 
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<b><big>Salad dressing Demo April 23rd &amp; 24th ..<br> 
</big></b><b><br> </b><big><a 
href="http://www.ludgatefarms.com/map.html"><img 
src="cid:part1.01090605.01060504 at ludgatefarms.com" alt="Stonewall 
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align="left"></a></big><small><big>Hi-<br> <br> </big></small>Join us 
for a Salad Dressings tasting... at Ludgate Farms, : all day Saturday 
and Sunday. Some new flavors on the lineup: such as Cilantro Lime 
Dressing and Champagne Shallot Walnut Dressing both from Stonewall 
Kitchen. We will have Ingandello's (made in NYS) out for taste testing 
too.... We have lot's of pansies out for sale, some herbs in pots and a 
few perennials. <a 
href="http://www.ludgatefarms.com/">http://www.ludgatefarms.com/</a><small><big><a 
href="http://www.ludgatefarms.com/"><br> </a><br> -Mike<br> </big> <br> 
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</small> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- Michael J. Ludgate - 
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days per week <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="http://www.ludgatefarms.com/">http://www.ludgatefarms.com/</a> 
Telephone 607-257-1765 Support your local independent retailers. </pre> 
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From admin at friendsofcaritas.com  Sun Apr 24 01:48:46 2005
From: admin at friendsofcaritas.com (R.S.)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 23:48:46 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <E1DPUMg-00012A-HA@milo.southernwebhosting.net>

I am using the provided code to send my form information to me Mailman 
list.(subscriptions) you can view this page and code at 
www.friendsofcaritas.com/MailLists.htm.

I would like to cc: all the form information (name, address, etc.) to 
another email, or better yet, create a comma-delimited ascii file in a 
log. Please, any help would be appreciated. 

R.S.
-- 



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sun Apr 24 12:23:05 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:23:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] appended email addresses on probe?
In-Reply-To: <426A55BD.1020006@ludgatefarms.com>
References: <426A55BD.1020006@ludgatefarms.com>
Message-ID: <p06200701be9122d95b15@[81.169.65.181]>

At 10:03 AM -0400 2005-04-23, Michael J. Ludgate wrote:

>  My customers are upset about privacy issues .. re: appended email
>  addresses on the new bounce probe. I maintain 3 lists tat are all set
>  up as announce only and my subcribers are kind of paranoid about
>  emmail privacy ...

	That's very strange, considering you apparently just exposed all 
their e-mail addresses on a public mailing list which has publicly 
accessible web archives.  Somehow, I suspect you probably won't have 
any subscribers left in the near future.

>                     so please consider removing the appended email
>  eddresses on a "bounce probe" not sure of the terminology, but I will
>  attach an example below ...

	I'm not sure where you're getting this so-called example from, 
but the message body doesn't look like anything that Mailman would be 
generating.

	Yes, Mailman will generate probe messages for users whose mail 
has been bouncing, and may VERP those probe messages to try to make 
sure that it is likely to detect all the various different types of 
failure modes that may otherwise mask who the original recipient may 
have been.  But I don't see any way that it could possibly be 
generating messages of the sort you're complaining about.

	I'd suggest you talk to your hosting provider, and if you have 
any subscribers left, they may be able to help you fix things so that 
this doesn't happen again.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Sun Apr 24 12:54:07 2005
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:54:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] appended email addresses on probe?
References: <426A55BD.1020006@ludgatefarms.com>
	<p06200701be9122d95b15@[81.169.65.181]>
Message-ID: <alm.0504241254.3890@gwaihir.akallabeth.de>

Brad Knowles schrieb:

> 	I'm not sure where you're getting this so-called example from, 
> but the message body doesn't look like anything that Mailman would be 
> generating.

Obviously Mailman is forwarding a sample bounce in the probe message.
Bounces can (and, regarding a mailing list, most probably will)
countain more than one failed address.

> 	Yes, Mailman will generate probe messages for users whose mail 
> has been bouncing, and may VERP those probe messages to try to make 
> sure that it is likely to detect all the various different types of 
> failure modes that may otherwise mask who the original recipient may 
> have been.  But I don't see any way that it could possibly be 
> generating messages of the sort you're complaining about.

"A bounce sample is attached below."

-thh


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 14:31:59 2005
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:31:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] XHTML Compliant Web UI - 2.1.6 Patch
Message-ID: <e04a6c9205042405315e768940@mail.gmail.com>

I have just uploaded a patch that will make the web UI for MM 2.1.6rc1
XHTML 1 strict compliant. This patch allows for some CSS formatting as well.

I have tried to make all the pages compliant, but I may have missed
some combinations of pages and options, so if you find some that
aren't compliant, please let me know which page isn't compliant and
under which circumstances it's not.

It it patch 1160353 in the Sourceforge Mailman patch repository.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1160353&group
_id=103&atid=300103

If anyone has any feedback on it, I'd love to hear it,since this is my
first attempt at something like this.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From bob at applegate.org  Sun Apr 24 16:53:57 2005
From: bob at applegate.org (Bob Applegate)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:53:57 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission problem
Message-ID: <005101c548dd$7147cb70$2201a8c0@bob>

I just installed Mailman 2.1.5 on a FreeBSD 5.3 machine.  Some of it
appears to work properly, but I still have a permission problem.

When creating a list via the mailman/creat web page, I get an error:

    OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/njqrp.mbox'

When I look in that directory, I see that the file is not created.  My web
software is running as user www, not mailman.

I tried setting the setuid bit for applications in the bin directory, but it
doesn't
seem to help, so I obviously missed some important set-up step.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Bob



From jdennis at redhat.com  Sun Apr 24 17:45:46 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:45:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Contact Mailing Address
In-Reply-To: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E85D2@sjvapcd-mail>
References: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E85D2@sjvapcd-mail>
Message-ID: <1114357547.1353.146.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-04-22 at 15:35 -0700, Staven Bruce wrote:
> Ok, so I've figured my issue out, but I would really appreciate someone
> explianing to me what's happening. I'm using Mailman version 2.1.5 on Red
> Hat Enterprise 3.0 update 4. Originally, Mailman made two entries in
> /etc/aliases under 'Mailman Aliases':
> 
> 	#mailman aliases
> 
> 	mailman:        postmaster
> 	mailman-owner: mailman
> 
> However when I set up the recommended 'Mailman' site list, these two entries
> were duplicated under 'Mailman Mailing List':
> 
> 	#mailman mailing list
> 	mailman:              "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
> 	mailman-owner:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
> 
> As a result, /etc/aliases was complaining about having identical aliases. So
> what I decided to comment out one of the duplicate entries. 
> 
> However, what I found was that if I commented out the 'mailman' entry under
> the 'Mailman Aliases' section, any mail sent to mailman at mydomain.com
> **seemed** to disappear. It wasn't sent to me, it wasn't returned and it
> wasn't held in the MTA que. 
> 
> But then I found if I uncommented the 'mailman' entry under the 'Mailman
> Aliases' section and commented out the 'mailman' entry under the 'Mailman
> Mailng List' section, then mail sent to mailman at mydomain.com was delivered
> to me with no problem. So, now I'm just trying to figure out why this
> happens? Any ideas?

It's clearly wrong to have the duplicate aliases defined. I went back to
see where the original "mailman: postmaster" aliases came from because
our mailman rpm does not create these. In fact, I'm pretty sure these
aliases are from a much earlier version of mailman (2.0.x?). It turns
out that the "setup" rpm which is responsible for installing core files
installs a default version of /etc/aliases which include these
deprecated mailman aliases. I have filed a bug report against setup so
these aliases are not created when the system is first setup. This is
the bugzilla.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=155841

However, I'm not sure I can explain the behavior you're seeing, but here
is the bottom line, the mailman:postmaster and mailman-owner:mailman
should be deleted from your aliases file, the aliases that pipe
into /var/mailman/mail/mailman are the ones you want to keep. You didn't
say which MTA you were using, I assume its sendmail. When you were
experimenting did you regenerate your aliases and restart sendmail? In
any event make sure you remember to do that after you delete the bogus
aliases.

Although on my test machines I have the duplicate bogus mailman aliases
as a result of the setup rpm I've never had a problem which is why I
probably never noticed this. However, I use postfix as my MTA which
might overwrite the duplicate alias with the 2nd correct version thus
masking the problem, but thats just a theory.

If after you delete the bogus aliases and rebuild the aliases and
restart your MTA you're still having problems let me know.
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From stephan at goluxstudio.com  Sun Apr 24 17:59:03 2005
From: stephan at goluxstudio.com (Stephan Golux)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:59:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Transferring a Mailman list from one web host to
	another
Message-ID: <426BC247.8020904@goluxstudio.com>

There are several issues involved when moving from one web hosting 
provider to another, and wanting to take the mailing list with.  I am 
curious about all of these, and would love some insight from someone who 
understands this better than I.

1.  How do you transfer the list archives, so they remain usable on the 
new host as they were on the old?

2.  How do you transfer the list characteristics, so that it operates in 
the same fashion without having to retype and re-enter everything?

3.  How do you transfer the list membership, with everyone keeping their 
passwords and their own preferences?

4.  IMPORTANT:  If there is no way to do this automatically, it is STILL 
a problem to do by hand, and I would like further elucidation.  Assume 
that I am transferring a list called "MAIL-LIST" that runs on a host 
called listhost.com, which currently sits at old.ip.address and will 
soon move to new.ip.address.  The problem is that all the administrative 
pages seem to be accessible and changeable only by reference to domain 
name... in other words I have to visit something called:

	http://listhost.com/mailman/admin/MAIL-LIST_listhost.com

In order to set up the transferred list.  But this URL only takes me 
back to the host at the old ip address.

I can manually set my browser to:

	http://new.ip.address/mailman/admin/MAIL-LIST_listhost.com

And it seems to work.... but the second I hit any kind of SUBMIT button 
to change any configurations, it just takes me back to the old system again.

Would love some elucidation.

Thanks

	-stephan golux


From remi at cherrypy.org  Sun Apr 24 20:28:39 2005
From: remi at cherrypy.org (Remi Delon)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:28:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman getting stuck while trying to send a message
Message-ID: <426BE557.4090500@cherrypy.org>

Hello,

For several weeks my mailman instance sometimes just stops delivering 
messages. Restarting Mailman seems to fix it and messages that were in 
the queue do get sent eventually.

Today I got a hint as to what might be happening ...
As Mailman seemed to be stuck again, I ran "mailmanctl stop" and watched 
all the log files.
When I ran "mailmanctl stop", the following line suddenly appeared in 
the "smtp" log file:

Apr 24 07:39:11 2005 (26501) 
<BAY104-F2054D7459D5E9CBDBFD56ACC2D0 at phx.gbl> smtp for 155 recips, 
completed in 159722.267 seconds

Wow ! So it seems that Mailman was stuck (for more than 40 hours) while 
trying to send this message and that stopping it made it stop trying to 
send this message and move on to the next ones (after I restarted it).

I also saw a lot of these appear in smtp-failure:

smtp-failure:Apr 24 07:39:11 2005 (26501) delivery to 
<removed-email-address> failed with code -1: please run connect() first


Does anyone have any idea as to why Mailman gets stuck trying to send a 
message sometimes ? If a resource (DNS, remote mail server, ...) is 
unavailable, shouldn't it timeout after a while ?

I'm currently running version 2.1.4. Could this be fixed by upgrading to 
the latest version ?

Thanks,

Remi.


From mloftis at wgops.com  Sun Apr 24 20:37:28 2005
From: mloftis at wgops.com (Michael Loftis)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:37:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman getting stuck while trying to send a
	message
In-Reply-To: <426BE557.4090500@cherrypy.org>
References: <426BE557.4090500@cherrypy.org>
Message-ID: <05DE189C8614CFE38C590B06@[10.1.2.230]>



--On Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:28 PM +0100 Remi Delon <remi at cherrypy.org> 
wrote:


>
> Does anyone have any idea as to why Mailman gets stuck trying to send a
> message sometimes ? If a resource (DNS, remote mail server, ...) is
> unavailable, shouldn't it timeout after a while ?

BAsically with *any* mailing list software it needs to be configured to 
just take the mail from the mailing list app, and ask questions later. 
Same rule goes for LSoft ListServ, majordomo, etc.  The problem you're 
running into could be almost anything but i'd bet it has something to do 
with bad addresses in the mailing list rather than your mailman version. 
Find out what the address is, go to the list admin interface and using your 
site pass logging and unsubscribe the junk address.

>
> I'm currently running version 2.1.4. Could this be fixed by upgrading to
> the latest version ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Remi.

--
Undocumented Features quote of the moment...
"It's not the one bullet with your name on it that you
have to worry about; it's the twenty thousand-odd rounds
labeled `occupant.'"
   --Murphy's Laws of Combat



From zmoelnig at iem.at  Sun Apr 24 22:43:47 2005
From: zmoelnig at iem.at (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?IOhannes_m_zm=F6lnig?=)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:43:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Transferring a Mailman list from one web host
	to	another
In-Reply-To: <426BC247.8020904@goluxstudio.com>
References: <426BC247.8020904@goluxstudio.com>
Message-ID: <426C0503.3040708@iem.at>

hi

i have done something similar last month (but in my case it also 
included upgrading from debain/woody (2.0.11) to debian/sarge (2.1.5)

anyhow it worked like a charm (but of course you should do backups and 
everything...)

note: below i am referring to standard paths of a debian installation 
(the paths might differ on your system)



Stephan Golux wrote:
> 
> 1.  How do you transfer the list archives, so they remain usable on the 
> new host as they were on the old?

well, i would use tar on /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/MYLIST and 
unpack it on the new machine
(honestly: i last time i did this, i only moved the mbox-files to the 
new server and rebuilt the archives; this might be not feasible for you)

> 
> 2.  How do you transfer the list characteristics, so that it operates in 
> the same fashion without having to retype and re-enter everything?

i used tar on /var/lib/mailman/lists/MYLIST and unpacked it on the new 
machine

> 
> 3.  How do you transfer the list membership, with everyone keeping their 
> passwords and their own preferences?

see 2) (_everything_ (but the archives) is stored in the db-files within 
  /var/lib/mailman/lists/MYLIST

> 
> 4.  IMPORTANT:  If there is no way to do this automatically, it is STILL 
> a problem to do by hand, and I would like further elucidation.  Assume 

i cannot point you to some faq-entries as seems to be usus here, but i 
recommend reading the man-pages for "config_list"

you can extract the complete configuration of a list into a human 
readable file with that tools.
what is more you can write it back, or (and that is best) only parts of 
it. strip down the file to the 2 entries you want to change and write 
the configuration to the list...

the entry "host_name" will allow you to set the hostname of the list, e.g:
host_name=new.ip.address

if you want different addresses for your mailing-list address and your 
webinterface (e.g. MYLIST at mail.server.my vs http://lists.server.my/...), 
  i have found the option "web_page_url" very useful (i haven't found it 
in the documentation for 2.1.x and it complains about a "non-standard" 
option but it works)



mfg.adr
IOhannes


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Mon Apr 25 00:37:54 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 23:37:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] appended email addresses on probe?
In-Reply-To: <alm.0504241254.3890@gwaihir.akallabeth.de>
References: <426A55BD.1020006@ludgatefarms.com>
	<p06200701be9122d95b15@[81.169.65.181]>
	<alm.0504241254.3890@gwaihir.akallabeth.de>
Message-ID: <p06200700be91d00af387@[81.169.73.157]>

At 12:54 PM +0200 2005-04-24, Thomas Hochstein wrote:

>>  	I'm not sure where you're getting this so-called example from,
>>  but the message body doesn't look like anything that Mailman would be
>>  generating.
>
>  Obviously Mailman is forwarding a sample bounce in the probe message.

	No, Mailman didn't.  Some user did.

>  Bounces can (and, regarding a mailing list, most probably will)
>  countain more than one failed address.

	No, bounces for a mailing list should not contain more than one 
failed address, especially if it's a probe message -- those are 
always sent out to just one specific user.

>  "A bounce sample is attached below."

	All of which is totally bogus.  See above.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Mon Apr 25 02:00:17 2005
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:00:17 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] appended email addresses on probe?
In-Reply-To: <p06200700be91d00af387@[81.169.73.157]>
References: <426A55BD.1020006@ludgatefarms.com>	<p06200701be9122d95b15@[81.169.65.181]>	<alm.0504241254.3890@gwaihir.akallabeth.de>
	<p06200700be91d00af387@[81.169.73.157]>
Message-ID: <426C3311.1090208@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

> At 12:54 PM +0200 2005-04-24, Thomas Hochstein wrote:
> 
>>>      I'm not sure where you're getting this so-called example from,
>>>  but the message body doesn't look like anything that Mailman would be
>>>  generating.
>>
>>
>>  Obviously Mailman is forwarding a sample bounce in the probe message.

Yes.  This is the last bounce notice which mailman (<list>-bounces 
address) received.  In general, it contains only the bounced addresses 
and is no use for spammers (or useful to exclude them from their spam 
list if they are clever enough).

You have to hack mailman code in order not to attach the bounce notice. 
  Here is the hack:

--- Deliverer.py        Tue Jan 18 08:57:07 2005
+++ Deliverer.py.x      Mon Apr 25 08:46:49 2005
@@ -224,7 +224,6 @@
          outer.set_type('multipart/mixed')
          text = MIMEText(text, _charset=Utils.GetCharSet(ulang))
          outer.attach(text)
-        outer.attach(MIMEMessage(msg))
          # Turn off further VERP'ing in the final delivery step.  We set
          # probe_token for the OutgoingRunner to more easily handling local
          # rejects of probe messages.


You may also want to customize your probe.txt in the template directory.


-- 
Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp
http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/



From jwt at onjapan.net  Mon Apr 25 07:45:47 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:45:47 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listing bouncing addresses
In-Reply-To: <200504221444.50823.mmm@nv.jakaranda.co.za>
References: <200504221444.50823.mmm@nv.jakaranda.co.za>
Message-ID: <49fe91eca2d85afbf27ef150eae1f59f@onjapan.net>

On Apr 22, 2005, at 21:44, Nico wrote:

> How do I get a list of all the subscribers with a bounce score > 0 
> (and not
> de-activated)?

You can use bin/withlist to review getBouncingMembers().  If you want 
details about last bounce, how many bounce notifications, you can use 
getBounceInfo(member):

$ bin/withlist mylist
 >>> from Mailman.MemberAdaptor import ENABLED
 >>> for member in m.getBouncingMembers():
...     if m.getDeliveryStatus(member) == ENABLED:
...         print member
...         print m.getBounceInfo(member)
...

Depending on your goal, you may want to further filter this list based 
on how "fresh" the last bounce is.

-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman



From jwt at onjapan.net  Mon Apr 25 07:56:20 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:56:20 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple moderator messages
In-Reply-To: <42695B36.6080601@sonoma.edu>
References: <42695B36.6080601@sonoma.edu>
Message-ID: <120f4bdf2886a339998d0e060a499f27@onjapan.net>

On Apr 23, 2005, at 05:14, Jack Ziegler wrote:

> 2) when a new list is created the owner gets a message saying there 
> are "-1 moderator requests waiting".  Logging into the admin interface 
> for the list (and finding no requests waiting), clears this.

This is a known problem with Mailman 2.1.5.
   <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.038.htp>

Now that you have created the requests database, the problem should be 
gone.  A patch is in the SourceForge patch tracker, or you can try the 
2.1.6 release candidate where this problem (and others) have been 
fixed.


-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman



From jwt at onjapan.net  Mon Apr 25 08:04:05 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:04:05 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe and unsubscribe not working
In-Reply-To: <20050422152301.F00D4605FE@mprdmxin.myway.com>
References: <20050422152301.F00D4605FE@mprdmxin.myway.com>
Message-ID: <32d08ca2b9087c29726e8609552c6c65@onjapan.net>

On Apr 23, 2005, at 00:23, desi6n at myway.com wrote:

> When I send an email to (as an example) 
> mylisyname-request at mywebsite.com with the subject subscribe - it does 
> not subscribe me. When I send an email to (as an example) 
> mylisyname-request at mywebsite.com with the subject unsubscribe it does 
> not unsubscribe me.

What happens instead?  Do you get an error message in reply?

What happens to the message?  (Check the Mailman logs and your MTA 
logs.)

Have you double-checked the aliases for your list?  (bin/genaliases can 
be used to remind you of the complete list of aliases.)

-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman



From jwt at onjapan.net  Mon Apr 25 08:07:45 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:07:45 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission problem
In-Reply-To: <005101c548dd$7147cb70$2201a8c0@bob>
References: <005101c548dd$7147cb70$2201a8c0@bob>
Message-ID: <af5b649c9dff42eef12796203b7bb319@onjapan.net>

On Apr 24, 2005, at 23:53, Bob Applegate wrote:

> When creating a list via the mailman/creat web page, I get an error:
>
>     OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/njqrp.mbox'

bin/check_perms can help you find permissions problems (and with the -f 
switch, fix them).



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From jwt at onjapan.net  Mon Apr 25 08:11:31 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:11:31 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Contact Mailing Address
In-Reply-To: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E85C5@sjvapcd-mail>
References: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E85C5@sjvapcd-mail>
Message-ID: <574f3578cb29b82932e3c8beb6418d3d@onjapan.net>

On Apr 23, 2005, at 02:49, Staven Bruce wrote:

> I'm running Mailman 2.1.5 and on the
> standard 'Lists Overview Page', underneath the 'Welcome Message', 
> there is a
> text line that states, "If you are having trouble using the lists, 
> please
> contact mailman at mydoman.com". I am trying to figure out how to 
> configure
> Mailman so that messages sent to 'mailman at mydomain.com' go to a 
> specific
> address such as john.smith at mydomain.com.

Subscribe john.smith at mydomain.com to the mailman list.


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From stephen at xemacs.org  Mon Apr 25 08:33:26 2005
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:33:26 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only
In-Reply-To: <p06200703be8dc7351518@[81.169.71.158]> (Brad Knowles's message
	of "Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:13:44 +0100")
References: <49917.68.165.89.73.1113941227.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<a0c79e9226776db7e6c21023259d5c4c@memphis.edu>
	<50033.68.165.89.73.1113943587.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<p06200700be8b2da08ee3@[81.169.88.46]>
	<50494.68.165.89.73.1113959203.squirrel@68.165.89.73>
	<p06200702be8c88cedffe@[81.169.78.239]>
	<87oec8x6ch.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<p06200703be8dc7351518@[81.169.71.158]>
Message-ID: <87r7gzqsax.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Brad" == Brad Knowles <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org> writes:

    Brad> 	Programmers tend to think that everyone else in the
    Brad> world is a programmer, and then are amazed when others are
    Brad> not capable of doing the things that they find so easy.

I only said it's a shame that this technique is not more widely known.
As it stands, only people who really _are_ programmers would ever
think of doing such things because they're undocumented and rarely
mentioned on this list, while they're OT on mailman-developers.  I'd
like to see more discussion of how this stuff is/can be done.

Of course Kalin shouldn't try it in production without testing and
somebody a lot more knowledgable than me saying they think it's OK,
but what's wrong with talking about it?

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              ask what your business can "do for" free software.


From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Mon Apr 25 11:23:17 2005
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:23:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] appended email addresses on probe?
In-Reply-To: <p06200700be91d00af387@[81.169.73.157]>
References: <426A55BD.1020006@ludgatefarms.com>
	<p06200701be9122d95b15@[81.169.65.181]>
	<alm.0504241254.3890@gwaihir.akallabeth.de>
	<p06200700be91d00af387@[81.169.73.157]>
Message-ID: <mail.0504251123.1725@gwaihir.akallabeth.de>

Brad Knowles wrote:

>>  Obviously Mailman is forwarding a sample bounce in the probe message.
>
> 	No, Mailman didn't.  Some user did.

And that user is faking a Mailman probe message?

>>  Bounces can (and, regarding a mailing list, most probably will)
>>  countain more than one failed address.
>
> 	No, bounces for a mailing list should not contain more than one 
> failed address, especially if it's a probe message -- those are 
> always sent out to just one specific user.

As far as I see, Mailman was sending out non-VERPed messages to that
list's users. When those messages are non-deliverable, the MTA will
send a bounce back to the listname-bounces address, and that bounce
will contain many or all non-deliverable addresses, as it's only one
outgoing message delivered to many recipients. That's just how it
works.

Then Mailman will send out a (VERPed) probe message, and - as far as I
can tell from the message quoted by Michael - attach a sample bounce.
This bounce does not only contain the one failed address the probe is
send to, but also other failed addresses. (Sure, Michael or someone
else could have faked that probe message with an attached bounce, but
why should he?)

>>  "A bounce sample is attached below."
>
> 	All of which is totally bogus.  See above.

I don't think so.

-thh


From millerj at truman.edu  Mon Apr 25 21:57:26 2005
From: millerj at truman.edu (Jason Miller)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:57:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help: mailman, permissions, IOError (OS X, 10.3.8)
Message-ID: <cb86025b7ff495ca98219b3a78232fa2@truman.edu>

Dear Mailman-users,

I had mailman working just dandy, and then I think I did something to
break it.  You can get the backstory if you think it's relevant, but I
don't think it's relevant at this point.  Since the start of this
problem (Friday), I've searched the mailman-user archive for help,
Googled, tried some 'common sense' approaches, reconfigures-and-
reinstalled about twenty times, and talked with local linux gurus,
all to no avail.  And so I come to the list for help.

I decided to resurrect mailman by doing a clean install of 2.1.5 using
Larry Stone's excellent instructions at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-September/ 
039600.html.
These instructions plus a postfix comment from Dan Phillips enabled me
to get mailmun up and running the first time.  Unfortunately, I'm not
having much success this time, and I was hoping I might benefit from
some of the list's accumulated experience to help me move forward.

I'm setting up mailman-2.1.5 in OS X 10.3.8.  My MTA is postfix.

Initially, I thought I had mailman working.  There were no hiccups
while I was following the Stone instructions for installing mailman.
(I do depart from his instructions by configuring with
--with-mail-gid=mailmaninstead of nobody because past experience led
me to believe that 'nobody' makes postfix unhappy; could these be
where I am going wrong?)

I can create a list from the command line and through the web
interface.  I cannot, however, distribute email.  Email invitations
sent to members do not get sent.  Email sent to a list does not get
distributed.  I've subscribed several test email accounts to each list
(one on localhost, one on yahoo, and other school address), and no
mail goes to any of the accounts.

Root does receive a stack of emails, however.  At least one every five
minutes.  The text of the email looks like this:

Subject: Cron <user at pyrite>
/usr/bin/python -S /Applications/mailman/cron/gate_news
X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/Users/user>
X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=user>
X-Cron-Env: <USER=user>
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:30:01 -0500 (CDT)

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/Applications/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 284, in ?
     main()
   File "/Applications/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 264, in main
     process_lists(lock)
   File "/Applications/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 199, in  
process_lists
     mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__
     self.Load()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 593, in Load
     dict, e = self.__load(file)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 559, in __load
     fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:  
'/usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck'

I've also received similar emails (permission errors) that involve
gate_news, and aliases.  I've changed permissions by hand (chmod), and
I've modified Defaults.py so that all mentions of NNTP are commented
out, but this approach is just guesswork on my part.  I know that
postfix is very sensitive to permissions, and I also know (from
experience, now) that check_perms -f isn't thorough, because if it
were I wouldn't be having these problems.  (FWIW, postfix check
doesn't suggest to me any errors, either.)

Meanwhile, my system.log still has entries that look like

Apr 25 14:35:00 pyrite CRON[7432]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/atrun)
Apr 25 14:35:00 pyrite CRON[7433]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S  
/Applications/mailman/cron/gate_news)
Apr 25 14:35:00 pyrite CRON[7434]: (millerj) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S  
/Applications/mailman/cron/gate_news)
Apr 25 14:35:00 pyrite CRON[7435]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S  
/Applications/mailman/cron/gate_news)

even though I don't have a News<->Mailman gateway configured. In fact,
I've tried to make sure that mailman understand I do not want such a
gateway, but I guess I've not been successful.

I feel like fixing the IOError that's announced by the emails I've
been getting will be a major step in the right direction for me.  If
anyone can help me do that, or point out any other stupid errors I've
made, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.

Jason



================================================================
Jason E. Miller, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Mathematics
Truman State University
Kirksville, MO
http://pyrite.truman.edu/~millerj/
660.785.7430



From cpz at tuunq.com  Mon Apr 25 22:03:19 2005
From: cpz at tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:03:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help: mailman, permissions, IOError (OS X, 10.3.8)
In-Reply-To: <cb86025b7ff495ca98219b3a78232fa2@truman.edu> from Jason Miller
	at "Apr 25, 2005 02:57:26 pm"
Message-ID: <20050425200320.497667AF@mail.tuunq.com>


Do/did you have an old installation of MM? V2.1.n doesn't use a cron
job, but rather lets the qrunner daemonize. IIRC, you need to manually
remove all MM cron entries.

z!
who is certainly not an expert on this.



From rjeffries at occamnetworks.com  Mon Apr 25 22:51:19 2005
From: rjeffries at occamnetworks.com (Ron Jeffries)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:51:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscription Mailman question
Message-ID: <426D5847.3050404@occamnetworks.com>

I did not find this in the FAQ.

As list admin, when I use the "mass subscription"
feature, what i syntax to give "real name"
as well as email address. Example:

for an email such as:
   zing at somehere.com

if the person's name is:

   Scott Jackson
and they work at:
   DorkyDorks Inc.

How do I enter that info when mass subscribing?

Thanks,

-ron jeffries
-- 
Occam Networks, Inc.
rjeffries at occamnetworks.com

"A project is a collection of value
  scheduled for realization."
    --David J. Anderson


From gb199 at ukwindsurfing.com  Mon Apr 25 01:38:55 2005
From: gb199 at ukwindsurfing.com (Alastair (UKWA))
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 00:38:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting topics by email
Message-ID: <426C2E0F.9000002@ukwindsurfing.com>

Hi,

I've had a look around the archives & FAQ for this, but I can't see if 
you can set the topics to subscribe to via email?

Is this possible, or do you have to go through the web interface?

The reason I ask is that I'd like to set up a nice, easy form on the 
site for an announcement type list, and allow people to pick the topics 
they are interested in straight away. The easiest way I can see to do 
this is to create a form that sends an email to mailman, and then it 
emails the subscriber.

Can I add topics to this form, or is there a way I can hook into the 
main mailman interface to do this?

tia, I'm happy for any pointers for more reading :)

-Alastair


From stephen at xemacs.org  Tue Apr 26 06:09:53 2005
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:09:53 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] appended email addresses on probe?
In-Reply-To: <mail.0504251123.1725@gwaihir.akallabeth.de> (Thomas
	Hochstein's message of "Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:23:17 +0200")
References: <426A55BD.1020006@ludgatefarms.com>
	<p06200701be9122d95b15@[81.169.65.181]>
	<alm.0504241254.3890@gwaihir.akallabeth.de>
	<p06200700be91d00af387@[81.169.73.157]>
	<mail.0504251123.1725@gwaihir.akallabeth.de>
Message-ID: <87hdhup4a6.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Thomas" == Thomas Hochstein <ml at ancalagon.inka.de> writes:

    Thomas> Brad Knowles wrote:

    >> No, bounces for a mailing list should not contain more than one
    >> failed address, especially if it's a probe message -- those are
    >> always sent out to just one specific user.

    Thomas> As far as I see, Mailman was sending out non-VERPed
    Thomas> messages to that list's users. When those messages are
    Thomas> non-deliverable, the MTA will send a bounce back to the
    Thomas> listname-bounces address, and that bounce will contain
    Thomas> many or all non-deliverable addresses, as it's only one
    Thomas> outgoing message delivered to many recipients. That's just
    Thomas> how it works.

I think this analysis is correct.  But notice what that means---the
bounces are happening with many addresses at the level of Michael's
hort or ISP: either Michael's list of addresses is badly broken
(unlikely since many of the bounces were "AOL is unroutable" rather
than "no such user"), or his host/ISP is broken (or fingered as a spam
source), or his list has been fingered as a spam source or something
like that.

Since it looks like Michael is running a fairly small, opt-in list,
with that number of bounces I think Michael's list has big problems
beyond a few addresses leaking to other list members.

To catch these other problems, I wonder if it would be reasonable for
mailman to check for "large" numbers of bounces on a single post, and
send mail to the list admin in that case?

    Thomas> This bounce does not only contain the one failed address
    Thomas> the probe is send to, but also other failed addresses.

Yup.  So what's the right thing to do?  I see four possibilities:

1.  (safest) don't attach the bounce message, but save it off
    somewhere so that a human can vette it before sending it to a user
    on specific request

2.  attach only the headers of the bounce message, and save off the
    message as in 1.

3.  attach the text, but sanitize everything that looks like an email
    address or domain name

4.  attach the text, but sanitize all email addresses and domain names
    except relevant one.


-- 
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University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
               Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.


From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Apr 26 06:44:23 2005
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:44:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] appended email addresses on probe?
In-Reply-To: <87hdhup4a6.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <426A55BD.1020006@ludgatefarms.com>
	<p06200701be9122d95b15@[81.169.65.181]>
	<alm.0504241254.3890@gwaihir.akallabeth.de>
	<p06200700be91d00af387@[81.169.73.157]>
	<mail.0504251123.1725@gwaihir.akallabeth.de>
	<87hdhup4a6.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <95170B7F-E446-4E38-909C-62E1351AE199@plaidworks.com>

turn on personalization, and this problem goes away.

I frankly wouldn't run mailing lists without at least some  
personalization -- because as it shows, the old style "Bcc: the  
users" style of bulk mailing (a) looks spammy and gets treated as  
such, and (b) users no longer are terribly tolerant of lists that  
hide their subscription details from them, which makes them a lot   
more likely to treat them as spam and report them as spam.

so the real fix is to set up the lists to not look so spammy, which  
means some personalization aspects.


On Apr 25, 2005, at 9:09 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

> Yup.  So what's the right thing to do?  I see four possibilities:
>



From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue Apr 26 06:53:57 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:53:57 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help: mailman, permissions, IOError (OS X, 10.3.8)
In-Reply-To: <20050425200320.497667AF@mail.tuunq.com>
References: <20050425200320.497667AF@mail.tuunq.com>
Message-ID: <460614671e65b6fba10a0cb34f3b92ba@onjapan.net>

On Apr 26, 2005, at 05:03, Carl Zwanzig wrote:

> Do/did you have an old installation of MM? V2.1.n doesn't use a cron
> job, but rather lets the qrunner daemonize. IIRC, you need to manually
> remove all MM cron entries.

While Mailman 2.1.x doesn't use cron for the various queue runners, 
there are still several cron jobs in a typical Mailman installation 
(password reminders, administrative reminders, periodic digests, and 
optional things like news-to-mail gatewaying and compressing archives).

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From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue Apr 26 06:57:24 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:57:24 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help: mailman, permissions, IOError (OS X, 10.3.8)
In-Reply-To: <cb86025b7ff495ca98219b3a78232fa2@truman.edu>
References: <cb86025b7ff495ca98219b3a78232fa2@truman.edu>
Message-ID: <43654de9a6ae0829c02aa47b05e0ae1b@onjapan.net>

On Apr 26, 2005, at 04:57, Jason Miller wrote:
> Root does receive a stack of emails, however.  At least one every five
> minutes.  The text of the email looks like this:
>
> Subject: Cron <user at pyrite>
> /usr/bin/python -S /Applications/mailman/cron/gate_news
> X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
> X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/Users/user>
> X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
> X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=user>
> X-Cron-Env: <USER=user>
> Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:30:01 -0500 (CDT)

Why are you running the cron jobs as 'user' instead of 'mailman'?  (Is 
the 'user' user a member of the 'mailman' group?)

> I've modified Defaults.py so that all mentions of NNTP are commented
> out, but this approach is just guesswork on my part.

You should never modify Defaults.py, but rather make any customizations 
you need in your mm_cfg.py.  (That allows your changes to persist 
through Mailman updates.)

> even though I don't have a News<->Mailman gateway configured. In fact,
> I've tried to make sure that mailman understand I do not want such a
> gateway, but I guess I've not been successful.

You could edit your crontab (for the 'user' user in your case 
apparently) and comment out the gatewaying task which runs every 5 
minutes by default.

>
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From jwt at onjapan.net  Tue Apr 26 07:31:07 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 14:31:07 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscription Mailman question
In-Reply-To: <426D5847.3050404@occamnetworks.com>
References: <426D5847.3050404@occamnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <11dcb743e3b216f3d7f852fd243adf40@onjapan.net>

On Apr 26, 2005, at 05:51, Ron Jeffries wrote:

> As list admin, when I use the "mass subscription"
> feature, what i syntax to give "real name"
> as well as email address. Example:
>
> for an email such as:
>   zing at somehere.com
>
> if the person's name is:
>
>   Scott Jackson
> and they work at:
>   DorkyDorks Inc.
>
> How do I enter that info when mass subscribing?

This has been discussed on the list quite frequently, including within 
the past few days.  Any of these should work:
Scott Jackson <zing at somehere.com>
Scott Jackson-DorkyDorks Inc. <zing at somehere.com>
"Scott Jackson, DorkyDorks Inc." <zing at somehere.com>

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From stephen at xemacs.org  Tue Apr 26 08:24:53 2005
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:24:53 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] appended email addresses on probe?
In-Reply-To: <95170B7F-E446-4E38-909C-62E1351AE199@plaidworks.com> (Chuq Von
	Rospach's message of "Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:44:23 -0700")
References: <426A55BD.1020006@ludgatefarms.com>
	<p06200701be9122d95b15@[81.169.65.181]>
	<alm.0504241254.3890@gwaihir.akallabeth.de>
	<p06200700be91d00af387@[81.169.73.157]>
	<mail.0504251123.1725@gwaihir.akallabeth.de>
	<87hdhup4a6.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<95170B7F-E446-4E38-909C-62E1351AE199@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <87oec2njgq.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Chuq" == Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> writes:

    Chuq> turn on personalization, and this problem goes away.

No contest; that's the best way to handle this.

Personalization did occur to me (vaguely), but I just assumed he wants
to stick with his current configuration.  But on reflection, I can
think of only a few good reasons why he would not want to turn on
personalization, and there's a good chance none applies to him.

In fact, maybe by now we can get away with just making minimal
personalization (eg, limited to personal options URL in footer) the
default (at least for new installations), and ask people to turn it
off only after they've thought about the implications?

-- 
School of Systems and Information Engineering http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
               Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.


From ml at ancalagon.inka.de  Tue Apr 26 09:03:42 2005
From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:03:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscription Mailman question
References: <426D5847.3050404@occamnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <alm.0504260903.3972@gwaihir.akallabeth.de>

Ron Jeffries schrieb:

> As list admin, when I use the "mass subscription"
> feature, what i syntax to give "real name"
> as well as email address. Example:

Name <add at ress>


From kabads at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 11:18:17 2005
From: kabads at gmail.com (Adam Cripps)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:18:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failing to send to a list - 553-mail rejected
	because your IP is in RBL.
Message-ID: <c7ff385505042602185e0fdb3d@mail.gmail.com>

I know this isn't strictly a mailman problem, but I'm seeking advice here. 

We have a guy who mails to a one-to-many list every day with a news
update. His ISP is AOL (in the UK, fwiw). Today he has a problem
sending to his list with this error:

  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<our-daily-news at maillists.ourcompany.com>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to relay.company-isp.co.uk.:
>>> RCPT To:<our-daily-news at maillists.ourcompany.com>
<<< 553-mail rejected because your IP is in RBL. See
<<< 553 http://mail-abuse.org/rbl/
550 <our-daily-news at maillists.ourcompany.com>... User unknown

(I've blanked out domains for anonymity).

However, I've just sent out a mail successfully using a test list from
both a work email account and from my personal one (nothing to do with
work). Would I be right in thinking that this is specific to AOL? Is
this AOL being over-zealous with spam? I've looked up RBL and see that
it's to do with spam, and have concluded that an IP is banned.
However, this must be the sender's AOL IP, as we are sending fine this
end.

I'm tempted to post this news out myself today to see if it works from
my email system.

Any advice gratefully received. 
Adam

-- 
http://www.monkeez.org
PGP key: 0x7111B833


From aagusti at serialnet.net  Tue Apr 26 13:19:28 2005
From: aagusti at serialnet.net (albert agusti)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:19:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman database support ?
Message-ID: <1114514367.3682.310.camel@Glaurung>

Hello, 

I've been looking mailman site, archives, etc ... about database support
for mailman. I mean by database support the feature to store subscribed
users and their options in a relational database like MySQL or Postgres.
Seems to be a recurrent requested feature, but I can't find "official"
support for this. Anybody knows if any development line follows this ?
anybody set up something like this ?
I'm thinking in this feature for scalability purposes. Without database
support does mailman scale to high volume lists ? (more that 10.000
subsribers)
any information, will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance
Albert Agust?


From tom at detroitonline.com  Tue Apr 26 15:32:15 2005
From: tom at detroitonline.com (Tom Ray)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:32:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] -bounce in the FROM field
Message-ID: <426E42DF.3030809@detroitonline.com>

Hey there everyone-

I just really started to use Mailman as a replacement for Lyris a bit 
ago and I'm having an issue. I moved a list from Lyris to Mailman and 
now everyone is complaining that they are getting -bounce in the from 
field. So the list is called advancedleadership at lists.sitename.tld and 
people are forwarding me messages from the list showing the FROM field 
to be advancedleadership-bounces at lists.sitename.tld, however, I'm not 
seeing that in the email sent to me by the list.

Can anyone tell me why that is? I'm digging through archives but the 
owners of the list are on my case about it all and I need to get them an 
answer fairly quickly.

TIA.


From fholson at cohousing.org  Tue Apr 26 16:26:31 2005
From: fholson at cohousing.org (Fred H Olson)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:26:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message rejected by filter rule match
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0504260656080.15427-100000@zoidberg.tigertech.net>



On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Dean Martin wrote:

>>I have a mailing list that just stopped working.  Any message sent to it 
>>is bounced back with one line in the email
>>
>>Message rejected by filter rule match
>>
>>I don't have any filter rules set in the configuration.

>Are you sure? This message comes from Mailman/Handlers/SpamDetect.py
>when a spam filter rule with Reject action is matched. I don't think
>it comes from anywhere else.
>
>Check Privacy options...->Spam filters->header_filter_rules and make
>sure that any rule's action is set to Defer.
>
>--
>Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>       The highway is for gamblers,
>San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

This sounds similar to a curiousity I've see twice lately for one 
subscriber.  My first thought was that she's a hotmail user
The 2 messages she's posted lately result in a message
to me:

Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 20:43:21 -0700
From: mailman-bounces at cohousing.org
To: cohousing-l-owner at cohousing.org
Subject: Content filtered message notification
Parts/Attachments:
   1   Shown      5 lines  Text
   2   Shown    6.1 KB     Message, "RE: [C-L]_ Collective housing"
   2.1 Shown     39 lines  Text
----------------------------------------
                                                                                                 
The attached message matched the cohousing-l mailing list's content
filtering rules and was prevented from being forwarded on to the list
membership.  You are receiving the only remaining copy of the
discarded message.

From: alberta  <alberta...  at hotmail.com> (manually obsucured by Fred)
                                                                                                 
<<filtered message deleted before posting to  mm-users>>

I double checked
Check Privacy options...->Spam filters->header_filter_rules 
Nothing set/action: Defer  (The Legacy anti-spam filters is set tot the 
default: to: friend at public.com     etc. )

I've had a few "Content filtered message notification" 's before but this 
is the first time two from the same person / an apparent pattern.

I think my ISP is running MM Ver 2.15

Fred,  who subscribes to Mailman-users in no mail mode - diretct reply to 
       me on this appreciated.

PS FYI I do not have shell access to MM.  I've developed a way to use the
non-interactive Unix web client - wget - to fetch all subscriber info
(real names, options) and list configuration info and process it into a
couple of reasonable size text files. I use it monthly.

-- 
Fred H. Olson  Minneapolis,MN 55411  USA        (near north Mpls)
Communications for Justice - My new listserv org.       UU, Linux
My Link Page: http://fholson.cohousing.org       Ham radio:WB0YQM
fholson at cohousing.org   612-588-9532   (7am-10pm Central time)






From Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org  Tue Apr 26 18:44:56 2005
From: Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org (Staven Bruce)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:44:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Contact Mailing Address
Message-ID: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E85E7@sjvapcd-mail>

Hi John,

You are correct, I am using sendmail for the MTA. I reviewed your post and
again you were correct in that I had not restarted the sendmail service
after changing the aliases file and regenerating it with the 'newaliases'
command. So I tried your suggestions, however my results were the same as
before.

After I commented out the mailman:postmaster and mailman-owner:mailman
entries from my aliases file and left 
the aliases that pipe into /var/mailman/mail/mailman, I regenerated the
aliases file and then restarted the sendmail service. However, even after
all that, any mail sent to mailman at mydomain.com was not sent to me and
seemed to disappear. 

I then returned to my aliases file and uncommented out the
mailman:postmaster and mailman-owner:mailman entries and instead commented
out the first /var/mailman/mail/mailman entry under the 'mailman' mailaing
list that reads 'mailman: |/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman'. Once I
did this, I regenerated the aliases file and restarted the sendmail service.
At this point, any mail sent to mailman at mydomain.com came directly to me.

My personal guess is that for whatever reason I think the 'mailman:
|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman' entry is either not refering to a
valid defined alias or perphaps to an alias that is not defined at all? I'm
not sure where the definition of '/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman'
is, however I am going to look around. I would really appreciate any
additional information you might have or suggestions you could pass along.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Dennis [mailto:jdennis at redhat.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 8:46 AM
To: Staven Bruce
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Changing Contact Mailing Address


On Fri, 2005-04-22 at 15:35 -0700, Staven Bruce wrote:
> Ok, so I've figured my issue out, but I would really appreciate someone
> explianing to me what's happening. I'm using Mailman version 2.1.5 on Red
> Hat Enterprise 3.0 update 4. Originally, Mailman made two entries in
> /etc/aliases under 'Mailman Aliases':
> 
> 	#mailman aliases
> 
> 	mailman:        postmaster
> 	mailman-owner: mailman
> 
> However when I set up the recommended 'Mailman' site list, these two
entries
> were duplicated under 'Mailman Mailing List':
> 
> 	#mailman mailing list
> 	mailman:              "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
> 	mailman-owner:        "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
> 
> As a result, /etc/aliases was complaining about having identical aliases.
So
> what I decided to comment out one of the duplicate entries. 
> 
> However, what I found was that if I commented out the 'mailman' entry
under
> the 'Mailman Aliases' section, any mail sent to mailman at mydomain.com
> **seemed** to disappear. It wasn't sent to me, it wasn't returned and it
> wasn't held in the MTA que. 
> 
> But then I found if I uncommented the 'mailman' entry under the 'Mailman
> Aliases' section and commented out the 'mailman' entry under the 'Mailman
> Mailng List' section, then mail sent to mailman at mydomain.com was delivered
> to me with no problem. So, now I'm just trying to figure out why this
> happens? Any ideas?

It's clearly wrong to have the duplicate aliases defined. I went back to
see where the original "mailman: postmaster" aliases came from because
our mailman rpm does not create these. In fact, I'm pretty sure these
aliases are from a much earlier version of mailman (2.0.x?). It turns
out that the "setup" rpm which is responsible for installing core files
installs a default version of /etc/aliases which include these
deprecated mailman aliases. I have filed a bug report against setup so
these aliases are not created when the system is first setup. This is
the bugzilla.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=155841

However, I'm not sure I can explain the behavior you're seeing, but here
is the bottom line, the mailman:postmaster and mailman-owner:mailman
should be deleted from your aliases file, the aliases that pipe
into /var/mailman/mail/mailman are the ones you want to keep. You didn't
say which MTA you were using, I assume its sendmail. When you were
experimenting did you regenerate your aliases and restart sendmail? In
any event make sure you remember to do that after you delete the bogus
aliases.

Although on my test machines I have the duplicate bogus mailman aliases
as a result of the setup rpm I've never had a problem which is why I
probably never noticed this. However, I use postfix as my MTA which
might overwrite the duplicate alias with the 2nd correct version thus
masking the problem, but thats just a theory.

If after you delete the bogus aliases and rebuild the aliases and
restart your MTA you're still having problems let me know.
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>


From chris at westnet.com  Tue Apr 26 18:54:50 2005
From: chris at westnet.com (Christopher X. Candreva)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:54:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit public HTML/text files sets incorrect
	permissions
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.62.0504261252010.12934@westnet.com>



I've just opened Bug 1190404 on this issue. System is Solaris 8, gcc 3.4.0, 
python 2.4, Apache 1.3.33

On mailman 2.1.6rc1 and rc2, when I use the "Edit the HTML pages and text 
files" option, the directories and files created are mode 600 , owned by 
nobody.mailman . After this, subscriptions fail with a permissions error. 
Since the listname/en directory is unreadable, there is a permissions error 
for the e-mail script that tries to send a confirmation message back to the 
user.



==========================================================
Chris Candreva  -- chris at westnet.com -- (914) 967-7816
WestNet Internet Services of Westchester
http://www.westnet.com/


From andy1 at rainycitynights.com  Tue Apr 26 06:03:28 2005
From: andy1 at rainycitynights.com (Andy Skuse)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 00:03:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Followup: "No Address associated with nodename"
Message-ID: <e4b2bc4b3ad6f495bcd27520b4275daf@rainycitynights.com>

Problem: Mailman won't receive or send posts, and logs indicate a "low 
level SMTP error: (7, "No address associated with nodename").

I found a brief discussion of this topic in the archives but a 
resolution still hasn't yet been posted that I've seen. Does anyone 
have any new information? MM v 2.14 for OS 10.3.x. Thanks.





Andy Skuse



From jpeterson at sti.nasa.gov  Tue Apr 26 21:08:37 2005
From: jpeterson at sti.nasa.gov (Jeff Peterson)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:08:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I set links to use another Web Server's URL?
Message-ID: <55DDBD7541A9894B9F695868B6DFFEEDFD1379@exchange.w2k.casi.sti.nasa.gov>

I have the Mailman & the Apache web server on one machine and have
subscribers access the GUI's through another Web server by Proxy
redirect.   However, on the ListInfo page, the links are not totally
correct.

 

  The link for the 'list admin overview page' is incorrect:

http://actual.computer.name/mailman/admin

 

It should have:

http://www.my.web.site/mailman/admin

 

Also, the contact link is incorrect:

mailman at computer.domain.name

 

It should have:

mailman at domain.name

 

Now on my specific Mailing List Admin page, only one link in the footer
is not correct:

The List name link is correct:

http://www.my.web.site/mailman/listinfo/scan

The email address link is correct for the Scan list.

 

The List name administrative interface link:

http://www.my.web.site/mailman/admin/scan

 

The Overview of all my.domain.name mailing lists link is incorrect:

http://computer.domain.name/mailman/listinfo

 

It should have:

http://www.my.web.site/mailman/listinfo

 

I have been able to get the List specific links to use the correct URL,
but I cannot get the common/generic links to refect the same base URL.
Is there a variable to set? Thank you.

 

Jeff Peterson

jpeterson at sti.nasa.gov

 



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Apr 26 23:55:26 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:55:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failing to send to a list - 553-mail
	rejected 	because your IP is in RBL.
In-Reply-To: <c7ff385505042602185e0fdb3d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c7ff385505042602185e0fdb3d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06200701be946923b1f8@[10.0.1.2]>

At 10:18 AM +0100 2005-04-26, Adam Cripps wrote:

>  However, I've just sent out a mail successfully using a test list from
>  both a work email account and from my personal one (nothing to do with
>  work). Would I be right in thinking that this is specific to AOL? Is
>  this AOL being over-zealous with spam?

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.042.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Apr 26 23:53:38 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:53:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscription Mailman question
In-Reply-To: <11dcb743e3b216f3d7f852fd243adf40@onjapan.net>
References: <426D5847.3050404@occamnetworks.com>
	<11dcb743e3b216f3d7f852fd243adf40@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <p06200700be9468cc9dab@[10.0.1.2]>

At 2:31 PM +0900 2005-04-26, Jim Tittsler wrote:

>  This has been discussed on the list quite frequently, including within
>  the past few days.  Any of these should work:

	This is now in the FAQ at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.055.htp>. 
Thanks!

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Apr 26 23:58:25 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:58:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman database support ?
In-Reply-To: <1114514367.3682.310.camel@Glaurung>
References: <1114514367.3682.310.camel@Glaurung>
Message-ID: <p06200702be946957bdff@[10.0.1.2]>

At 1:19 PM +0200 2005-04-26, albert agusti wrote:

>  I've been looking mailman site, archives, etc ... about database support
>  for mailman. I mean by database support the feature to store subscribed
>  users and their options in a relational database like MySQL or Postgres.

	There are LDAP and MySQL member adaptors that have been built for 
use with Mailman 2.1.x, but they're patches.  People have reported 
that they work well, but they are not a part of the standard package.

	This sort of thing will be fully and properly integrated into the 
upcoming "Mailman3" project that is under way, but in the meanwhile 
if you want to use a back-end database, you have to use the patches 
that have been contributed by the user community.

>  I'm thinking in this feature for scalability purposes. Without database
>  support does mailman scale to high volume lists ? (more that 10.000
>  subsribers)

	10k subscribers is peanuts for Mailman.  With the right hardware, 
OS, and software configuration, you can do 100,000 or more.  See 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.015.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Tue Apr 26 23:59:34 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:59:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] -bounce in the FROM field
In-Reply-To: <426E42DF.3030809@detroitonline.com>
References: <426E42DF.3030809@detroitonline.com>
Message-ID: <p06200703be946a16eb0e@[10.0.1.2]>

At 9:32 AM -0400 2005-04-26, Tom Ray wrote:

>  I just really started to use Mailman as a replacement for Lyris a bit ago
>  and I'm having an issue. I moved a list from Lyris to Mailman and now
>  everyone is complaining that they are getting -bounce in the from field.

	See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp>.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From jwblist at olympus.net  Wed Apr 27 00:35:36 2005
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:35:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman database support ?
In-Reply-To: <p06200702be946957bdff@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <BE941048.4898%jwblist@olympus.net>

On 4/26/2005 14:58, "Brad Knowles" <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote:

> 10k subscribers is peanuts for Mailman.  With the right hardware,
> OS, and software configuration, you can do 100,000 or more.  See
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.015.htp>.


If we're going to start recommending personalization be on for bounce (and
spam filter) reasons, we should probably be careful with claims like the
above (although with proper hardware, etc it would still be true, but
perhaps harder to achieve).

And we should probably adjust the above article with the equivalent written
in FAQ-ese of "personalization will make the tuning harder."

  --John




From kalin at el.net  Wed Apr 27 02:05:51 2005
From: kalin at el.net (kalin mintchev)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:05:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounces
Message-ID: <64222.68.165.89.73.1114560351.squirrel@68.165.89.73>



hi all...


every time i try to send mail to a new list i get this messages in the
maillog. the message is not sent to the list and there isn't anything
pending approval...

any idea why?   thanks...

this is in the maillog:


Apr 26 06:26:26 me sendmail[9131]: j3QAQQ1m009130:
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post toto",
ctladdr=<toto at me.host.net> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=prog, pri=30609, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Apr 26 06:26:28 me sendmail[9135]: j3QAQSsI009135:
from=<toto-bounces at me.host.net>, size=1446, class=-60, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<mailman.26.1114511186.2049.toto at me.host.net>, proto=ESMTP,
daemon=MTA, relay=me.host.net [127.0.0.1]
Apr 26 06:26:28 me sendmail[9136]: j3QAQSsI009135:
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner toto",
ctladdr=<toto-owner at me.host.net> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=prog, pri=139682, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Apr 26 06:26:29 me sendmail[9138]: j3QAQTxe009138:
from=<mailman-bounces at me.host.net>, size=1681, class=-60, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<mailman.26.1114511186.2049.toto at me.host.net>, proto=ESMTP,
daemon=MTA, relay=me.host.net [127.0.0.1]


--




From prosmart at jamesons.com.au  Wed Apr 27 04:45:17 2005
From: prosmart at jamesons.com.au (Nigel Allen)
Date: 27 Apr 2005 12:45:17 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password problems with web interface
Message-ID: <1114569917.865.54.camel@sydsrv04>

Greetings

Fedora Core 3
mailman-2.1.5-26
python-2.3.4-11
httpd-2.0.52-3


After success on a RH9 test box last week, we decided to roll out the
production server. Went through the initial setup fine - a little too
smoothly perhaps :)

Set up the site password
Created the first mailing list "mailman"
Got the notification email.

When I try to login in to the admin address at 
http://www.tld.com/mailman/admin/mailman I get the normal screen but
after the password is input I get the red "Authorization Failed". Have
tried to reset the password and have stopped and started the services
(httpd and mailman) but to no avail.

In what looks like a related incident, I sent a subscribe request to the
list I previously created, got back the confirmation request and clicked
on the URL - then got a red "Bad Confirmation String", yet when I used
the same string in an email confirmation it worked beautifully and
subscribed me.

Okay, the problem is (obviously) related to apache, but where to start
looking?

TIA

Nigel.


-- 
Nigel Allen, Snr Consultant, ProSmart Consulting Australia
48 Tiarri Avenue, Terrey Hills, NSW 2084, Australia
Tel: +61 2 9450 2690  Fax: +61 2 9450 2691 Mob: +61 4 1494 5269
http://www.prosmart.com.au



From jwt at onjapan.net  Wed Apr 27 05:03:49 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:03:49 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message rejected by filter rule match (Content
	Filtering)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0504260656080.15427-100000@zoidberg.tigertech.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0504260656080.15427-100000@zoidberg.tigertech.net>
Message-ID: <5021aa1a17f404b20b12c3464480b47e@onjapan.net>

On Apr 26, 2005, at 23:26, Fred H Olson wrote:

> This sounds similar to a curiousity I've see twice lately for one
> subscriber.

It is different.  Your message subject "Content filtered message 
notification" says that the message has matched the Content filtering 
rules (not the Spam filters).

> To: cohousing-l-owner at cohousing.org
> Subject: Content filtered message notification
> Parts/Attachments:
>    1   Shown      5 lines  Text
>    2   Shown    6.1 KB     Message, "RE: [C-L]_ Collective housing"
>    2.1 Shown     39 lines  Text
> ----------------------------------------
>
> The attached message matched the cohousing-l mailing list's content
> filtering rules and was prevented from being forwarded on to the list
> membership.  You are receiving the only remaining copy of the
> discarded message.

I suspect you have filter_action set to "Forward to List Owner" and the 
hotmail poster's original message doesn't have the proper MIME type to 
get past your Content Filter rules.  See the help for filter_action:
     [...] when the message matches one of the content filtering rules,
     meaning, the top-level content type matches one of the 
filter_mime_types,
     or the top-level content type does not match one of the 
pass_mime_types,
     or if after filtering the subparts of the message, the message ends 
up empty.

-- 
Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman



From jwt at onjapan.net  Wed Apr 27 07:15:57 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:15:57 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I set links to use another Web Server's
	URL?
In-Reply-To: <55DDBD7541A9894B9F695868B6DFFEEDFD1379@exchange.w2k.casi.sti.nasa.gov>
References: <55DDBD7541A9894B9F695868B6DFFEEDFD1379@exchange.w2k.casi.sti.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <8991db8bc06b37cc9fcf18daf26d61b4@onjapan.net>

On Apr 27, 2005, at 04:08, Jeff Peterson wrote:

> I have the Mailman & the Apache web server on one machine and have
> subscribers access the GUI's through another Web server by Proxy
> redirect.   However, on the ListInfo page, the links are not totally
> correct.

Make sure you have set the desired DEFAULT_URL_HOST and 
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST in your mm_cfg.py.  Given your description, I 
suspect you want something like:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'domain.name'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.my.web.site'

VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

(If those are not already the settings in your Defaults.py.  
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME should remain set to None).

-- 
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Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman



From prosmart at jamesons.com.au  Wed Apr 27 07:56:48 2005
From: prosmart at jamesons.com.au (Nigel Allen)
Date: 27 Apr 2005 15:56:48 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password problems with web interface
In-Reply-To: <1114569917.865.54.camel@sydsrv04>
References: <1114569917.865.54.camel@sydsrv04>
Message-ID: <1114581408.865.75.camel@sydsrv04>

Solved

Mea Culpa

<blush>
Had a bad DNS alias pointing to the old installation.
</blush>

N.


On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 12:45, Nigel Allen wrote:
> Greetings
> 
> Fedora Core 3
> mailman-2.1.5-26
> python-2.3.4-11
> httpd-2.0.52-3
> 
> 
> After success on a RH9 test box last week, we decided to roll out the
> production server. Went through the initial setup fine - a little too
> smoothly perhaps :)
> 
> Set up the site password
> Created the first mailing list "mailman"
> Got the notification email.
> 
> When I try to login in to the admin address at 
> http://www.tld.com/mailman/admin/mailman I get the normal screen but
> after the password is input I get the red "Authorization Failed". Have
> tried to reset the password and have stopped and started the services
> (httpd and mailman) but to no avail.
> 
> In what looks like a related incident, I sent a subscribe request to the
> list I previously created, got back the confirmation request and clicked
> on the URL - then got a red "Bad Confirmation String", yet when I used
> the same string in an email confirmation it worked beautifully and
> subscribed me.
> 
> Okay, the problem is (obviously) related to apache, but where to start
> looking?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Nigel.
-- 
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Tel: +61 2 9450 2690  Fax: +61 2 9450 2691 Mob: +61 4 1494 5269
http://www.prosmart.com.au



From kabads at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 08:13:16 2005
From: kabads at gmail.com (Adam Cripps)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:13:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failing to send to a list - 553-mail rejected
	because your IP is in RBL.
In-Reply-To: <c7ff3855050426231215e02562@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c7ff385505042602185e0fdb3d@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06200701be946923b1f8@10.0.1.2>
	<c7ff3855050426231215e02562@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c7ff3855050426231325942874@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/27/05, Adam Cripps <kabads at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/26/05, Brad Knowles <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote:
> > At 10:18 AM +0100 2005-04-26, Adam Cripps wrote:
> >
> > >  However, I've just sent out a mail successfully using a test list from
> > >  both a work email account and from my personal one (nothing to do with
> > >  work). Would I be right in thinking that this is specific to AOL? Is
> > >  this AOL being over-zealous with spam?
> >
> >         See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.042.htp>.
> >
> > --
> > Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
> >
> > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
> > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
> >
> >      -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
> >      Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755
> >
> >    SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.
> >
It appears that he suffered from the following:

http://it.slashdot.org/it/05/04/26/1649232.shtml?tid=120&tid=95&tid=218
A

-- 
http://www.monkeez.org
PGP key: 0x7111B833


From dshanman at u.washington.edu  Wed Apr 27 01:02:59 2005
From: dshanman at u.washington.edu (Derek Jacob Shanman)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:02:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0504261602590.8120@hymn06.u.washington.edu>

I am an administator of a list.  I was wondering if there is any way to find out statistics such as how many times an individual member of a list has posted to the list.  Thank you very much.

Derek Shanman






From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Apr 27 11:14:33 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:14:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0504261602590.8120@hymn06.u.washington.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0504261602590.8120@hymn06.u.washington.edu>
Message-ID: <p06200705be9508243bce@[10.0.1.2]>

At 4:02 PM -0700 2005-04-26, Derek Jacob Shanman wrote:

>  I am an administator of a list.  I was wondering if there is any way to
>  find out statistics such as how many times an individual member of a
>  list has posted to the list.  Thank you very much.

	Mailman doesn't have any built-in statistical capabilities.  It 
is possible to use standard log processing software to gather 
statistics from the logs created by your MTA, but that would be a 
process that would take place outside of the purview of Mailman.

	If you want to go that route, take a look at "lire" from logreport.org.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Wed Apr 27 11:17:16 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:17:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman database support ?
In-Reply-To: <BE941048.4898%jwblist@olympus.net>
References: <BE941048.4898%jwblist@olympus.net>
Message-ID: <p06200706be950885528c@[10.0.1.2]>

At 3:35 PM -0700 2005-04-26, John W. Baxter wrote:

>  If we're going to start recommending personalization be on for bounce (and
>  spam filter) reasons, we should probably be careful with claims like the
>  above (although with proper hardware, etc it would still be true, but
>  perhaps harder to achieve).

	I think the statement is valid with or without personalization, 
and I think that the FAQ already cross-references the other related 
entries pretty well.  We can certainly add additional references to 
the entries discussing VERP and personalization, but I don't think 
that changes the statement as I made it.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From remi at cherrypy.org  Wed Apr 27 12:14:16 2005
From: remi at cherrypy.org (Remi Delon)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:14:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman getting stuck while trying to send a
	message
In-Reply-To: <05DE189C8614CFE38C590B06@[10.1.2.230]>
References: <426BE557.4090500@cherrypy.org>
	<05DE189C8614CFE38C590B06@[10.1.2.230]>
Message-ID: <426F65F8.3030105@cherrypy.org>

>> Does anyone have any idea as to why Mailman gets stuck trying to send a
>> message sometimes ? If a resource (DNS, remote mail server, ...) is
>> unavailable, shouldn't it timeout after a while ?
> 
> 
> BAsically with *any* mailing list software it needs to be configured to 
> just take the mail from the mailing list app, and ask questions later. 
> Same rule goes for LSoft ListServ, majordomo, etc.  The problem you're 
> running into could be almost anything but i'd bet it has something to do 
> with bad addresses in the mailing list rather than your mailman version. 
> Find out what the address is, go to the list admin interface and using 
> your site pass logging and unsubscribe the junk address.

Thanks for the insight Michael... If a junk address is indeed all it 
takes to cause Mailman to hang then it's quite disapointing ...
How would I go about finding that junk address (there are more than 200 
in that list) ? Isn't it true that all addresses must have been valid at 
some point ? (otherwise people wouldn't have been able to confirm their 
subscription). That makes it hard to see which ones are junk ...

Thanks,

Remi.


From mfoc73 at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Apr 27 12:26:18 2005
From: mfoc73 at dsl.pipex.com (RT)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:26:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation problem: 500 internal server error
Message-ID: <426F68CA.6020406@dsl.pipex.com>

Apologies for posting an installation problem...  :(

I've just installed mailman, and am having a couple of problems. The 
first is that http://dom.ain/mailman/ returns '403 forbidden', and any 
other page (ie. http://dom.ain/create) returns '500 internal server error'.

The INSTALL file suggests that this could be a GID/UID problem, but this 
doesn't seem very likely and I'm reluctant to reinstall (yet). There's 
nothing relevant in either /var/log (apart from the Apache logs, below), 
or in $prefix/logs/error.

There's nothing in Apache's 'error_log', but 'cgi.log' has some 
interesting entries:

----
[2005-04-27 11:07:05]: uid: (mailman/mailman) gid: (mailman/mailman) 
cmd: create
[2005-04-27 11:07:05]: directory is writable by others: 
(/usr/local/home/mailman/mailman-2.1.5/cgi-bin)
----

I installed as user/grp mailman/mailman, and 'check_perms' reports no 
problems. The cgi-bin directory in the message above is not actually 
'writable by others'; its permissions are 'drwxrwsr-x'. I tried 'chmod 
o+w', but this made no difference (and the message in cgi.log remained 
the same).

Any ideas? One potential problem is that I've installed this on a 
virtual server on which I don't have root permissions. I get an 'admin' 
login which has various root-like capabilities, and I think I've 
probably completed the root parts of the installation correctly, but I 
can't be sure. The server is running Linux, but I don't think it's a 
standard distribution; 'uname -a' returns 'Linux [mydomain] 2.4.29-hs-1'.

Many thanks -

RT




From stephen at xemacs.org  Wed Apr 27 13:55:20 2005
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:55:20 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman getting stuck while trying to send a
	message
In-Reply-To: <426F65F8.3030105@cherrypy.org> (Remi Delon's message of "Wed,
	27 Apr 2005 11:14:16 +0100")
References: <426BE557.4090500@cherrypy.org>
	<05DE189C8614CFE38C590B06@[10.1.2.230]>
	<426F65F8.3030105@cherrypy.org>
Message-ID: <873btcl9hz.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Remi" == Remi Delon <remi at cherrypy.org> writes:

    Remi> Thanks for the insight Michael... If a junk address is
    Remi> indeed all it takes to cause Mailman to hang then it's quite
    Remi> disapointing ...

It's not.  I've never seen Mailman hang like that in more than 4
years, with versions 2.0.13 and 2.1.5.

    Remi> How would I go about finding that junk address (there are
    Remi> more than 200 in that list) ?

It's probably the one listed in smtp-failure, see below.

    Remi> Isn't it true that all addresses must have been valid at
    Remi> some point ? (otherwise people wouldn't have been able to
    Remi> confirm their subscription).

True.  But that's not the kind of "junk" that causes problems for
Mailman; Mailman will disable delivery or unsubscribe addresses that
become invalid.  The "junk" that causes Mailman to blow up are
syntactically invalid (eg, contain illegal characters) and must be
introduced by the list admin using "mass subscribe" or a command line
tool.  If you've never done that, ie, all your users subscribed
themselves, then you will have no problematic junk addresses, just
undeliverable ones that will be automatically weeded out.

In your earlier message you provided this log:

smtp-failure:Apr 24 07:39:11 2005 (26501) delivery to
<removed-email-address> failed with code -1: please run connect() first

While it's possible that there's a connect() function in Mailman that
Mailman is failing to run, that seems very unlikely ... we would have
heard about it by now.  There is a connect() function in many OSes,
for the "socket" interface layered over raw Internet connections.  It
seems quite possible to me that your OS or network is hosed, resulting
socket connections appearing to be internally broken, and Mailman
being unable to connect to a remote host for long periods of time.  In
that case, it might very well hang assuming that it should keep trying
until the network admin fixes whatever the problem is.

As far as I can tell, Mac OS X sometimes wedges itself in this way.
An SSH connection will simply go away ... until I connect to the same
host in a separate connection.  Then the shell will come back up, the
X tunnel will start working again, etc, etc.

    Remi> I'm currently running version 2.1.4. Could this be fixed by
    Remi> upgrading to the latest version ?

Waiting a bit and upgrading to 2.1.6 (due out real soon) might (or
might not) be a good idea.

However, if my guess that the smtp-failure message is coming from the
OS is correct, upgrading Mailman is not very likely to fix it.

-- 
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University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
               Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.


From Todd.Loomis.CTR at dmso.mil  Wed Apr 27 14:19:50 2005
From: Todd.Loomis.CTR at dmso.mil (Loomis, Todd, CTR, DMSO)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:19:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Help
Message-ID: <63F6BF21D2F2F34FBB0E9ACF9FCB1D014C8DAF@exchange.dmsolan>

HI:

 

I getting this error can anyone help? Mailman version 2.0.13

 

Traceback (most recent call last):

File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 66, in run_main

from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger

File "../Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 19, in ?

from Logger import Logger

File "../Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 22, in ?

from Mailman import mm_cfg

File "../Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 50, in ?

MAILMAN_UID = pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[2]

KeyError: getpwnam(): name not found

 

Thanks

 



From jdennis at redhat.com  Wed Apr 27 16:53:02 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:53:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Help
In-Reply-To: <63F6BF21D2F2F34FBB0E9ACF9FCB1D014C8DAF@exchange.dmsolan>
References: <63F6BF21D2F2F34FBB0E9ACF9FCB1D014C8DAF@exchange.dmsolan>
Message-ID: <1114613582.14533.117.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>

On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 08:19 -0400, Loomis, Todd, CTR, DMSO wrote:
> I getting this error can anyone help? Mailman version 2.0.13

> File "../Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 50, in ?
> MAILMAN_UID = pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[2]
> KeyError: getpwnam(): name not found

Did you create the user account "mailman" and the group "mailman"?

Does this command return something like this:

id mailman
uid=41(mailman) gid=41(mailman) groups=41(mailman)

-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From Todd.Loomis.CTR at dmso.mil  Wed Apr 27 17:06:58 2005
From: Todd.Loomis.CTR at dmso.mil (Loomis, Todd, CTR, DMSO)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:06:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Help
Message-ID: <63F6BF21D2F2F34FBB0E9ACF9FCB1D014C8DB0@exchange.dmsolan>


Yes I get
uid=41(mailman) gid=41(mailman) groups=41(mailman)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Dennis [mailto:jdennis at redhat.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:53 AM
To: Loomis, Todd, CTR, DMSO
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug Help

On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 08:19 -0400, Loomis, Todd, CTR, DMSO wrote:
> I getting this error can anyone help? Mailman version 2.0.13

> File "../Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 50, in ?
> MAILMAN_UID = pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[2]
> KeyError: getpwnam(): name not found

Did you create the user account "mailman" and the group "mailman"?

Does this command return something like this:

id mailman
uid=41(mailman) gid=41(mailman) groups=41(mailman)

-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>






From jdennis at redhat.com  Wed Apr 27 17:34:31 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:34:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Help
In-Reply-To: <63F6BF21D2F2F34FBB0E9ACF9FCB1D014C8DB0@exchange.dmsolan>
References: <63F6BF21D2F2F34FBB0E9ACF9FCB1D014C8DB0@exchange.dmsolan>
Message-ID: <1114616071.16696.4.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>

On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 11:06 -0400, Loomis, Todd, CTR, DMSO wrote:
> Yes I get
> uid=41(mailman) gid=41(mailman) groups=41(mailman)

Then this command:

python -c "import pwd; print pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[2]"

should print 41, if it doesn't then I'm at a loss other than
you might have python problems.

But are you sure the line that is failing is:
pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[2]

and not something that references MAILMAN_USER?

-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From Todd.Loomis.CTR at dmso.mil  Wed Apr 27 17:38:15 2005
From: Todd.Loomis.CTR at dmso.mil (Loomis, Todd, CTR, DMSO)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:38:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Help
Message-ID: <63F6BF21D2F2F34FBB0E9ACF9FCB1D014C8DB1@exchange.dmsolan>

No actually I get the following:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "<string>", line 1, in ?
KeyError: getpwnam(): name not found

____________________________________
-----Original Message-----
From: John Dennis [mailto:jdennis at redhat.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 11:35 AM
To: Loomis, Todd, CTR, DMSO
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Bug Help

On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 11:06 -0400, Loomis, Todd, CTR, DMSO wrote:
> Yes I get
> uid=41(mailman) gid=41(mailman) groups=41(mailman)

Then this command:

python -c "import pwd; print pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[2]"

should print 41, if it doesn't then I'm at a loss other than
you might have python problems.

But are you sure the line that is failing is:
pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[2]

and not something that references MAILMAN_USER?

-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>






From jdennis at redhat.com  Wed Apr 27 17:56:26 2005
From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:56:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Help
In-Reply-To: <63F6BF21D2F2F34FBB0E9ACF9FCB1D014C8DB1@exchange.dmsolan>
References: <63F6BF21D2F2F34FBB0E9ACF9FCB1D014C8DB1@exchange.dmsolan>
Message-ID: <1114617386.16696.18.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>

On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 11:38 -0400, Loomis, Todd, CTR, DMSO wrote:
> No actually I get the following:
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "<string>", line 1, in ?
> KeyError: getpwnam(): name not found

Since the command "id" can lookup up the mailman password
info we know it's defined in the system and can be successfully
queried. However, it appears python cannot successfully execute
the same query.

What the error is saying is that when python tries to lookup the name
"mailman" it is failing. You might try replacing "mailman" with your
username in the snippet and see if python can look it up.

If you just added the mailman account you might be having problems with
nss and/or nscd (its a bit overkill but rebooting will refresh the name
cache), or you could be having python problems, it's hard to say. 

All of these I'm sorry to say are probably off topic for this list until
you can get that little python snippet to work.

BTW, mailman 2.0.x is pretty old, you may want to consider upgrading to
2.1.5
-- 
John Dennis <jdennis at redhat.com>



From krazykid at cs.bu.edu  Wed Apr 27 17:58:50 2005
From: krazykid at cs.bu.edu (Ernest Kim)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:58:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I discard spam first,
	then hold non-member posts for moderation?
Message-ID: <20050427155850.GA29781@cs.bu.edu>

It seems that if generic_nonmember_action is set to hold, all
non-member posts are held, regardless of what happens with the spam
filters.  

All my email is sent through SpamAssassin first for tagging before
being processed by Mailman.  The setting for generic_nonmember_action
is set to hold.  I have the following spam filter rules:

Filter rule 1:

X-Spam-HitLevel: xxxxx

is set to discard.  Filter rule 2:

X-Spam-Flag: YES

is also set to discard.  These are the exact entries in the filter
rules.  

But when ever spam is sent to the mailing list, it seems that because
generic_nonmember_action is set to hold, the spam message is held
instead of discarding as according to the spam filter.  

Does anyone know why this is happening?  How do I fix this?  Any help
would be appreciated.  Thanks.

-Ernie



From ustunera at itu.edu.tr  Wed Apr 27 18:15:16 2005
From: ustunera at itu.edu.tr (=?iso-8859-9?Q?Ali_Korhan_=DCst=FCner_?=)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:15:16 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I discard spam first,
	then hold non-member posts for moderation?
In-Reply-To: <20050427155850.GA29781@cs.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAAbGdnLOTj+ECC6e+0H+RGSQEA9eZkkvKBxESism6ReatyKgAAAARmAwAAEAAAAOsz0QFgeNRNl+Qn3VDJ7Z8BAAAAAA==@itu.edu.tr>


Hi,
I suggest using a filter rule "subject: {Spam?}*", provided SpamAssassin
tags spam as {Spam?}.
Or make sure e-mails filtered by SpamAssassin have "X-Spam-HitLevel" and
"X-Spam-Flag" fields.



-----
A. Korhan ?ST?NER
ITU IT Department
System Support Team
E-posta: ustunera at itu.edu.tr 
-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+ustunera=itu.edu.tr at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+ustunera=itu.edu.tr at python.org] On Behalf Of
Ernest Kim
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:59 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I discard spam first,then hold non-member
posts for moderation?

It seems that if generic_nonmember_action is set to hold, all
non-member posts are held, regardless of what happens with the spam
filters.  

All my email is sent through SpamAssassin first for tagging before
being processed by Mailman.  The setting for generic_nonmember_action
is set to hold.  I have the following spam filter rules:

Filter rule 1:

X-Spam-HitLevel: xxxxx

is set to discard.  Filter rule 2:

X-Spam-Flag: YES

is also set to discard.  These are the exact entries in the filter
rules.  

But when ever spam is sent to the mailing list, it seems that because
generic_nonmember_action is set to hold, the spam message is held
instead of discarding as according to the spam filter.  

Does anyone know why this is happening?  How do I fix this?  Any help
would be appreciated.  Thanks.

-Ernie

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From daevid at daevid.com  Wed Apr 27 21:14:49 2005
From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:14:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I default to HTML, not plain text emails?
Message-ID: <20050427191237.8A5121E4006@bag.python.org>

How do I make it so that new members on the lists get HTML email. It
defaults to plain and after a bulk insert, I have to manually go check that
checkbox. Grr.



From daevid at daevid.com  Wed Apr 27 21:12:52 2005
From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:12:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I defalut membership list to one long one
	instead of broken into alphabet?
Message-ID: <20050427191325.DC3CF1E4006@bag.python.org>

And also, how do I make it so the membership list is NOT broken up into
letter categories. I just want ONE long list of members.



From daevid at daevid.com  Wed Apr 27 21:13:29 2005
From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:13:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I have one list send to another list.
Message-ID: <20050427191402.CCD5C1E4006@bag.python.org>

I used to use the older mailman on RH8 and things "just worked", after
upgrading to the new mailman, I'm spending a lot of time approving requests
and maintenance.

My main thing now is that I have one list "party at daevid.com" that I have an
automated crontab that mails out a list of events from a database once a
week.  There is another list "rbc at daevid.com" that is subscribed to the
"party@" list where all members should be allowed to post to the list.

I've added all combinations of email addresses I can think of to
"rbc at daevid.com" list:
	party-admin at daevid.com
	party-bounces at daevid.com
	party at daevid.com

Under the "sender/non-member filters" I added:

party at daevid.com
^.*@*\.daevid\.com
^.*@daevid\.com

And in /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py I added:

USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = Yes

Then I do "/etc/init.d/mailman restart"







From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Wed Apr 27 22:00:31 2005
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:00:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I defalut membership list to one long
	oneinstead of broken into alphabet?
In-Reply-To: <20050427191325.DC3CF1E4006@bag.python.org>
References: <20050427191325.DC3CF1E4006@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <426FEF5F.30500@state.or.us>

Daevid,

If you have command line access, you can use the config_list utility to fetch the configuration for 
the list in question and add a line with admin_member_chunksize= and make it equal to however many 
addresses you want to display on your web page.

Let me know if you need more specifics.

Christopher Adams

Daevid Vincent wrote:

> And also, how do I make it so the membership list is NOT broken up into
> letter categories. I just want ONE long list of members.
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From daevid at daevid.com  Wed Apr 27 22:42:09 2005
From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:42:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I defalut membership list to one
	longoneinstead of broken into alphabet?
In-Reply-To: <426FEF5F.30500@state.or.us>
Message-ID: <20050427203958.D6B861E4006@bag.python.org>

Thanks for the repy Christopher. 

Yes, I do have root (it's my own gentoo server). Please spell this out for
me as to what commands to run and what files to edit.

d

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+daevid=daevid.com at python.org 
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+daevid=daevid.com at python.org] 
> On Behalf Of Christopher Adams
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:01 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I defalut membership list 
> to one longoneinstead of broken into alphabet?
> 
> Daevid,
> 
> If you have command line access, you can use the config_list 
> utility to fetch the configuration for 
> the list in question and add a line with 
> admin_member_chunksize= and make it equal to however many 
> addresses you want to display on your web page.
> 
> Let me know if you need more specifics.
> 
> Christopher Adams
> 
> Daevid Vincent wrote:
> 
> > And also, how do I make it so the membership list is NOT 
> broken up into
> > letter categories. I just want ONE long list of members.
> > 
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From daevid at daevid.com  Thu Apr 28 00:00:25 2005
From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:00:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I defalut membership list to one
	longoneinstead of broken into alphabet?
In-Reply-To: <427008E5.5010306@state.or.us>
Message-ID: <20050427215813.DDC201E4006@bag.python.org>

Christopher, thank you. That was perfect instructions, I even got ascared
when I saw the "Non-standard property restored: admin_member_chunksize"
message, and then I read the next line of your email which adressed that!
Hahah! 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Adams [mailto:chris.a.adams at state.or.us] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 2:49 PM
> To: Daevid Vincent
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I defalut membership list 
> to one longoneinstead of broken into alphabet?
> 
> cd to your lists/bin directory
> 
> 
> Issue the command config_list -o /path/to/listname.txt listname
> 
> where listname.txt is just a file name that you give the 
> incoming configuration file to reference 
> later and listname is the name of your specific list.
> 
> open listname.txt with a text editor. At the bottom of the 
> file, add the following:
> 
> admin_member_chunksize = 75
> 
> The number '75' represents how many addresses will be 
> viewable when you open your membership list in 
> the admin. You can make it anything you want.
> 
> Save your file.
> 
> Issue the command config_list -i /path/to/listname.txt listname
> 
> You will probably see the message: "Non-standard property 
> restored: admin_member_chunksize". That is 
> normal.
> 
> Your list configuration is now updated. If not, restart Mailman.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Daevid Vincent wrote:
> > Thanks for the repy Christopher. 
> > 
> > Yes, I do have root (it's my own gentoo server). Please 
> spell this out for
> > me as to what commands to run and what files to edit.
> > 
> > d
> > 
> > 
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: mailman-users-bounces+daevid=daevid.com at python.org 
> >>[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+daevid=daevid.com at python.org] 
> >>On Behalf Of Christopher Adams
> >>Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:01 PM
> >>To: mailman-users at python.org
> >>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I defalut membership list 
> >>to one longoneinstead of broken into alphabet?
> >>
> >>Daevid,
> >>
> >>If you have command line access, you can use the config_list 
> >>utility to fetch the configuration for 
> >>the list in question and add a line with 
> >>admin_member_chunksize= and make it equal to however many 
> >>addresses you want to display on your web page.
> >>
> >>Let me know if you need more specifics.
> >>
> >>Christopher Adams
> >>
> >>Daevid Vincent wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>And also, how do I make it so the membership list is NOT 
> >>
> >>broken up into
> >>
> >>>letter categories. I just want ONE long list of members.
> >>>
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From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Apr 28 07:22:11 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:22:11 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I default to HTML, not plain text emails?
In-Reply-To: <20050427191237.8A5121E4006@bag.python.org>
References: <20050427191237.8A5121E4006@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <289de0bee505cc423228f77141dc4039@onjapan.net>

On Apr 28, 2005, at 04:14, Daevid Vincent wrote:

> How do I make it so that new members on the lists get HTML email. It
> defaults to plain and after a bulk insert, I have to manually go check 
> that
> checkbox. Grr.

Are you referring to the 'plain' checkbox on the Membership 
Management... Membership List... page?  That controls the format of the 
list digests (allowing you to select either plain text or MIME 
formatted digests).  You can set the default on the Digest options... 
page.  It does not refer to HTML formatted email.

If you want users to receive HTML formatted messages, you will want to 
mail HTML messages (or multipart-alternative) messages to the list, and 
make sure you have configured Content filtering... not to remove them 
or convert text/html parts into plain text.  (You may also want to make 
sure the msg_footer is an empty string.)

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From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Apr 28 07:27:25 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:27:25 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I have one list send to another list.
In-Reply-To: <20050427191402.CCD5C1E4006@bag.python.org>
References: <20050427191402.CCD5C1E4006@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <1319f3736364d36e11f49b4d906892a7@onjapan.net>

On Apr 28, 2005, at 04:13, Daevid Vincent wrote:

> My main thing now is that I have one list "party at daevid.com" that I 
> have an
> automated crontab that mails out a list of events from a database once 
> a
> week.  There is another list "rbc at daevid.com" that is subscribed to the
> "party@" list where all members should be allowed to post to the list.

Is the message being held because the poster is not a member of the 
list, or because of an implicit destination?

If the latter and the cron job mails to party at daevid.com (and you don't 
have personalization enabled), you may want to include 
party at daevid\.com in the Privacy options... Recipient filters... 
acceptable_aliases for the rbc list.

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From jwt at onjapan.net  Thu Apr 28 07:52:16 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:52:16 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation problem: 500 internal server error
In-Reply-To: <426F68CA.6020406@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <426F68CA.6020406@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <32bee23cb9c4168cff3973e1be56efba@onjapan.net>

On Apr 27, 2005, at 19:26, RT wrote:

> I've just installed mailman, and am having a couple of problems. The 
> first is that http://dom.ain/mailman/ returns '403 forbidden',

That is normal.  Users normally should visit 
http://dom.ain/mailman/listinfo/ and administrators visit 
http://dom.ain/mailman/admin/.  Many Mailman administrators will 
include an Apache redirectmatch to bounce visitors from 
http://dom.ain/mailman/ to http://dom.ain/mailman/listinfo/

>  and any other page (ie. http://dom.ain/create) returns '500 internal 
> server error'.

With a normal installation, you should be visiting 
http://dom.ain/mailman/create/

> ----
> [2005-04-27 11:07:05]: uid: (mailman/mailman) gid: (mailman/mailman) 
> cmd: create
> [2005-04-27 11:07:05]: directory is writable by others: 
> (/usr/local/home/mailman/mailman-2.1.5/cgi-bin)
> ----

Are you trying to use Apache's suEXEC feature?  It conflicts with the 
normal Mailman installation.  You will need to make sure the cgi-bin 
directory is not group writable.  (Once over that hurdle, you will 
probably then have to make sure that the files in cgi-bin don't have 
the SGID bit set, and are owned by the correct user/group so that 
suEXEC can set the group for the scripts.)

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From dtygel at fbes.org.br  Wed Apr 27 23:25:09 2005
From: dtygel at fbes.org.br (Daniel Tygel)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:25:09 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Doubts about "-request"
Message-ID: <1114637109.4447.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi friends,

  my name is Daniel Tygel, from Brasil. I'm the administrator of a list
which is powered by mailman (great software!!). I'm having now some
problems which I really cannot understand (my list is called
"boletim at fbes.org.br"):
 
  If someone sends a message to boletim-request at fbes.org.br with the
subject "help", it works allright, giving all the commands. But if
someone sends a message to boletim-request at fbes.org.br with subject
"subscribe", simply NOTHING happens! What can be wrong? Is it some
server issue or some misconfiguration?

  Thanks a lot for any help folks,

       Daniel Tygel
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 F?rum Brasileiro de Economia Solid?ria
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   Usando sistema operacional LIVRE:
 UBUNTU linux Warty, baseado em debian



From daevid at daevid.com  Thu Apr 28 21:55:41 2005
From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:55:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I default to HTML, not plain text emails?
In-Reply-To: <289de0bee505cc423228f77141dc4039@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <20050428201211.01D891E4006@bag.python.org>

Aahh.. Okay. I guess I misunderstood what that checkbox was for. Seems silly
that one would have a choice for the digests and not for regular emails. I
thought the old mailman allowed a user to choose if they got the regular
emails as plain or html. Hmm. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Tittsler [mailto:jwt at onjapan.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:22 PM
> To: Daevid Vincent
> Cc: Mailman Users List
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I default to HTML, not 
> plain text emails?
> 
> On Apr 28, 2005, at 04:14, Daevid Vincent wrote:
> 
> > How do I make it so that new members on the lists get HTML email. It
> > defaults to plain and after a bulk insert, I have to 
> manually go check 
> > that
> > checkbox. Grr.
> 
> Are you referring to the 'plain' checkbox on the Membership 
> Management... Membership List... page?  That controls the 
> format of the 
> list digests (allowing you to select either plain text or MIME 
> formatted digests).  You can set the default on the Digest options... 
> page.  It does not refer to HTML formatted email.
> 
> If you want users to receive HTML formatted messages, you 
> will want to 
> mail HTML messages (or multipart-alternative) messages to the 
> list, and 
> make sure you have configured Content filtering... not to remove them 
> or convert text/html parts into plain text.  (You may also 
> want to make 
> sure the msg_footer is an empty string.)
> 
> -- 
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> Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
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> 
> 



From daevid at daevid.com  Thu Apr 28 22:26:27 2005
From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:26:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I have one list send to another list.
In-Reply-To: <1319f3736364d36e11f49b4d906892a7@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <20050428202415.B782F1E4003@bag.python.org>

Attached is one of the ones I get. In this case, I personally posted to the
party@ list, but they're all the same...

As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
following mailing list posting:

    List:    RBC at daevid.com
    From:    party-bounces at daevid.com
    Subject: [PARTY] FW: Last Supper Club, Contour, Trinity this weekend!
    Reason:  Message has implicit destination

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Tittsler [mailto:jwt at onjapan.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:27 PM
> To: Daevid Vincent
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I have one list send to 
> another list.
> 
> On Apr 28, 2005, at 04:13, Daevid Vincent wrote:
> 
> > My main thing now is that I have one list "party at daevid.com" that I 
> > have an
> > automated crontab that mails out a list of events from a 
> database once 
> > a
> > week.  There is another list "rbc at daevid.com" that is 
> subscribed to the
> > "party@" list where all members should be allowed to post 
> to the list.
> 
> Is the message being held because the poster is not a member of the 
> list, or because of an implicit destination?
> 
> If the latter and the cron job mails to party at daevid.com (and 
> you don't 
> have personalization enabled), you may want to include 
> party at daevid\.com in the Privacy options... Recipient filters... 
> acceptable_aliases for the rbc list.
> 
> -- 
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> Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
> Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman
> 
> 

From gabrielgoaga at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 28 00:33:42 2005
From: gabrielgoaga at hotmail.com (Gabriel Goaga)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:33:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
Message-ID: <BAY18-DAV98F006F156873CA2BABDAD6220@phx.gbl>

I have a mailman at this address:
http://mail.terramiaristorante.com/mailman/listinfo/emaillist_terramiaristorante.com<http://mail.terramiaristorante.com/mailman/listinfo/emaillist_terramiaristorante.com>
it used to work properly but now I tried to send a news letter to the list (emaillist at terramiaristorante<mailto:emaillist at terramiaristorante>) but I did not received anything back like an approval message with a link which used to lead me back to the list and approve the message.
please give me some help, what can be wrong????


Gabriel

From terri at zone12.com  Thu Apr 28 20:10:37 2005
From: terri at zone12.com (Terri Oda)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:10:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] XHTML Compliant Web UI -
	2.1.6 Patch
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c9205042405315e768940@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e04a6c9205042405315e768940@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fbf293fb143cb715c6b0cb6f92c488f7@zone12.com>

On Apr 24, 2005, at 8:31 AM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> I have just uploaded a patch that will make the web UI for MM 2.1.6rc1
> XHTML 1 strict compliant. This patch allows for some CSS formatting as 
> well.

I haven't looked at the patch itself yet, but +1 to the idea of making 
the interface XHTML and CSS friendly.



From JGWEST at dommail.dom.washington.edu  Thu Apr 28 21:06:53 2005
From: JGWEST at dommail.dom.washington.edu (Janet West)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:06:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Urgent: No such list
	uwcsa_admins_list@u.washington.edu
Message-ID: <s270d1f0.074@dommail.dom.washington.edu>

** High Priority **

Please tell me why I am unable to access the following site:
 
No such list uwcsa_admins_list at u.washington.edu, is the message I
received when trying to send out an e-mail the UWCSA.
 
Thank you.
 
 
 
**********************************************
Janet West
University of Washington
School of Medicine
Dean's Office, Administration & Finance
Box 358220
1325 Fourth Avenue, Suite 2000
Seattle, WA  98101
Ph:  (206) 543-8139
Fax:  (206) 543-8064
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to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the
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that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is
prohibited. 
If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by

replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately.
 
 


From info at idoia.com  Thu Apr 28 18:20:54 2005
From: info at idoia.com (Alex at Idoia)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:20:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question regarding cron
Message-ID: <f4b7e954716ca29d4e6d8710e6b54345@idoia.com>

Hello,

I have installed mailman on my debian woody. I have checked recently my 
/var/log/auth.log and they are poluated by a cron that is being 
executed by mailman every minutes of every day:
# */5 * * * *   list    [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f 
/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news ] && /usr/bin/python 
/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news
* * * * *       list    [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f 
/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner ] && /usr/bin/python 
/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner
Can you explain me this ?
Is this really necessary ?
Can we prevent it from being printed in my /auth.log ?
Thanks alot
Alex



From stephen at xemacs.org  Thu Apr 28 10:58:01 2005
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:58:01 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman getting stuck while trying to send a
	message
In-Reply-To: <426FBBEB.1040803@cherrypy.org> (Remi Delon's message of "Wed,
	27 Apr 2005 17:20:59 +0100")
References: <426BE557.4090500@cherrypy.org>
	<05DE189C8614CFE38C590B06@[10.1.2.230]>
	<426F65F8.3030105@cherrypy.org>
	<873btcl9hz.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<426FBBEB.1040803@cherrypy.org>
Message-ID: <87u0lri8h2.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Forwarding to mailman-users, I can't do anything about this....

>>>>> "Remi" == Remi Delon <remi at cherrypy.org> writes:

    Remi> Actually, you have [heard about it] ...
    Remi> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-October/040344.html

    Remi> Looks like I'm not the only one with that problem ...

I said "maybe it's a system issue?" and Remi said:

    Remi> Hmm ... Seems a bit unlikely to me ... This is a production
    Remi> machine running linux RedHat with sendmail as the SMTP
    Remi> server and there are about 100 people using the machine and
    Remi> sendmail on it all the time ...

So is the other guy.  That's not enough to apply the law of large
numbers, but I wouldn't ignore it, either.

Are you using a RedHat-supplied Python?  Did you build Mailman yourself?


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From mfoc73 at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Apr 28 12:28:45 2005
From: mfoc73 at dsl.pipex.com (RT)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:28:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation problem: 500 internal server error
In-Reply-To: <32bee23cb9c4168cff3973e1be56efba@onjapan.net>
References: <426F68CA.6020406@dsl.pipex.com>
	<32bee23cb9c4168cff3973e1be56efba@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <4270BADD.1020109@dsl.pipex.com>

Jim Tittsler wrote:

> Are you trying to use Apache's suEXEC feature?  It conflicts with the 
> normal Mailman installation.  You will need to make sure the cgi-bin 
> directory is not group writable.  (Once over that hurdle, you will 
> probably then have to make sure that the files in cgi-bin don't have the 
> SGID bit set, and are owned by the correct user/group so that suEXEC can 
> set the group for the scripts.)

Well, I'll be  *&!?**!!, this (almost) got it working; thanks. It turned 
out to be a litle more complicated...

Problem 1: my 'ISP', for want of a better word, enables suEXEC on 
Apache, and I obviously can't change that (aside: doesn't everyone run 
Apache/suEXEC? If not, why? And surely most mailman users are in the 
same situation that I'm in - I don't have a real internet connection, 
and I rely on someone else's virtual server, on which I don't get a root 
password?)

After following both your instructions, I got a web page, but with this 
error:

> Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the CGI
> wrapper script to be executed as group "web", but
> the system's web server executed the CGI script as
> group "mailman".  Try tweaking the web server to run the
> script as group "web", or re-run configure, 
> providing the command line option `--with-cgi-gid=mailman'.

Ok, I had configured with '--with-cgi-gid=web', as per INSTALL (Apache 
runs as 'web'). So Apache suEXEC'ed the scripts as 'mailman', so 
defeating the configuration option. As a fix/hack, I changed the 
owner/group of everything in cgi-bin to web/web, to prevent Apache 
suEXEC'ing. This got me further; as far as problem 2, in fact.

Problem 2: Apache now runs the scripts as 'web', which is what mailman 
expects, but I now get another problem: mailman claims to hit an 
internal bug. At the end of the traceback I get:

> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/home/mailman/mailman-2.1.5/logs/error'

Ok, mailman is running as web and wants to write into a directory owned 
by mailman, and can't. So I run

/usr/sbin/usermod -G admin, mailman web

And everything springs into life; I can now get listinfo and admin 
pages, complete with logos.

But *none* of this is in the installation instructions, unless I've 
missed something. And, this isn't my day job, and I'm worried that this 
isn't secure. Is it a good idea to run mailman's scripts with Apache's 
permissions?

How does everyone else manage to install this? Would someone mind 
updating INSTALL?

Thanks -

RT





From mfoc73 at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Apr 28 23:08:53 2005
From: mfoc73 at dsl.pipex.com (RT)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:08:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listinfo sometimes not displaying public lists?
Message-ID: <427150E5.2040405@dsl.pipex.com>

I found this issue covered in mailman-developers in Nov.2000 
(http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2000-November/007744.html), 
for an old version. however, I've got it in the current version and the 
old answer doesn't seem to be relevant.

I've just installed Mailman and I have one public list. The list is 
normally *not* visible in mailman/info, although sometimes it is 
visible. However, it *is* visible at mailman/admin. The strange thing is 
that I can (occasionally) make it visible in mailman/listinfo by doing 
something unrelated (just logging in or logging out, possibly) in the 
admin pages, but I'm not quite sure what.

Any ideas?

Many thanks -

RT




From matt at frii.com  Fri Apr 29 00:02:37 2005
From: matt at frii.com (Matt Ruzicka)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:02:37 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limitting age of held messages.
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504281521570.87122@elara.frii.com>

We've got an issue with our data/ dir getting quite large due to a large
number of held messages waiting for admin attention.  Since we have a fair
number of lists with almost as many admins I'm looking for a solution
that will automatically prune down the held messages.

Reading through the FAQ I found this entry that talking about deleting all
held messages for a specific list.

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.012.htp

This isn't quite what I'm looking for because I do not want to remove ALL
message, just messages that have been sitting around unattended for a long
period of time.

At the end of that FAQ there is mention of a third party patch that allows
you to specify how many days to hold pending messages and to automatically
discard when they expires.

I'm a bit wary of using a third party patch since I don't want to
introduce possible complications related to upgrades or lag if there were
to be a security issue with mailman itself.  I do see that this patch is
supposedly a revamp of another solution that runs from cron, but it has
not been developed in a couple years.

Is anyone else having this issue and are you using this patch or some
other solution to solve this?  Is there a way to solve this problem in
the more recent versions of Mailman that I am not seeing?

Thank you.

Matthew Ruzicka - Systems Administrator
Front Range Internet, Inc.
matt at frii.net - (970) 212-0728

Got SPAM?  Take back your email with MailArmory.  http://www.MailArmory.com


From petercumming-2004 at fsmail.net  Thu Apr 28 12:41:38 2005
From: petercumming-2004 at fsmail.net (Peter Cumming)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:41:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
Message-ID: <19160226.1114684898694.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>







========================================
Message date : Apr 28 2005, 06:53 AM
>From : mailman-users-request at python.org
To : mailman-users at python.org
Copy to : 
Subject : Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 14, Issue 56
Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to
mailman-users at python.org

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
mailman-users-request at python.org

You can reach the person managing the list at
mailman-users-owner at python.org

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..."

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From ivaldes at hal-pc.org  Fri Apr 29 00:20:00 2005
From: ivaldes at hal-pc.org (Ignacio Valdes)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:20:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman install -- she no working day 3.
Message-ID: <web-168507197@mail.hal-pc.org>

Hi, I'm trying to get Mailman working on a FreeBSD system X 3 days 
now. I have followed the install document very carefully, apache and 
mailman are loaded and running. However, I cannot get to anything. I 
have the following in my vhosts.conf file:

<VirtualHost *:80>
   ServerName mailman.linuxmednews.com
   DocumentRoot /usr/local/mailman/data
</VirtualHost>

<VirtualHost *:80>
   ServerName test.linuxmednews.com
   DocumentRoot /usr/local/www/data
</VirtualHost>
...

I put test-cgi into /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ and when I try
http://mailman.linuxmednews.com/cgi-bin/test-cgi, it works. However, 
none of the other mailman executables in that directory do anything 
and I certainly cannot get the usual form of mailman URL's 
(http://linuxmednews.com/mailman/... to work at all. I'm running this 
alongside Zope and I am running out of time to work on this.

-- IV


From ler at lerctr.org  Fri Apr 29 02:14:03 2005
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:14:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Doubts about "-request"
In-Reply-To: <1114637109.4447.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1114637109.4447.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200504281914.03845.ler@lerctr.org>

On Wednesday 27 April 2005 04:25 pm, Daniel Tygel wrote:
> Hi friends,
>
>   my name is Daniel Tygel, from Brasil. I'm the administrator of a list
> which is powered by mailman (great software!!). I'm having now some
> problems which I really cannot understand (my list is called
> "boletim at fbes.org.br"):
>
>   If someone sends a message to boletim-request at fbes.org.br with the
> subject "help", it works allright, giving all the commands. But if
> someone sends a message to boletim-request at fbes.org.br with subject
> "subscribe", simply NOTHING happens! What can be wrong? Is it some
> server issue or some misconfiguration?

what do the logs say?


>
>   Thanks a lot for any help folks,
>
>        Daniel Tygel

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From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Apr 29 02:17:31 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:17:31 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I have one list send to another list.
In-Reply-To: <1319f3736364d36e11f49b4d906892a7@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <e357da6288576fa87b8fd89d35d36b7d@onjapan.net>

On Apr 29, 2005, at 05:26, Daevid Vincent wrote:

> Attached is one of the ones I get. In this case, I personally posted 
> to the
> party@ list, but they're all the same...
>
> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
> following mailing list posting:
>
>     List:    RBC at daevid.com
>     From:    party-bounces at daevid.com
>     Subject: [PARTY] FW: Last Supper Club, Contour, Trinity this 
> weekend!
>     Reason:  Message has implicit destination

Yes, as I suspected, this is being held because the RBC list name does 
not appear in the To: or cc: headers of the message (an "implicit 
destination").  I presume my suggestion of adding party at daevid\.com to 
the acceptable_aliases of the RBC list solved the problem.


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From ler at lerctr.org  Fri Apr 29 02:53:20 2005
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:53:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
In-Reply-To: <BAY18-DAV98F006F156873CA2BABDAD6220@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY18-DAV98F006F156873CA2BABDAD6220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200504281953.21104.ler@lerctr.org>

On Wednesday 27 April 2005 05:33 pm, Gabriel Goaga wrote:
> I have a mailman at this address:
> http://mail.terramiaristorante.com/mailman/listinfo/emaillist_terramiaristo
>rante.com<http://mail.terramiaristorante.com/mailman/listinfo/emaillist_terr
>amiaristorante.com> it used to work properly but now I tried to send a news
> letter to the list
> (emaillist at terramiaristorante<mailto:emaillist at terramiaristorante>) but I
> did not received anything back like an approval message with a link which
> used to lead me back to the list and approve the message. please give me
> some help, what can be wrong????
What do the logs say?



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From daevid at daevid.com  Fri Apr 29 02:59:46 2005
From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:59:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I have one list send to another list.
In-Reply-To: <e357da6288576fa87b8fd89d35d36b7d@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <20050429010006.BAD451E4013@bag.python.org>

Thanks for the help Jim, how do I add that?

Currently in http://myserver.com/mailman/admin/rbc/privacy/sender 

I have this in the "List of non-member addresses whose postings should be
automatically accepted. (Details for accept_these_nonmembers)":

party at daevid.com
daevid at lockdownnetworks.com
^.*@*\.daevid\.com
^.*@daevid\.com
^.*@*\.rollinballzcrew\.com
^.*@rollinballzcrew\.com

And now I've added this just in case?

party at daevid\.com

Is this where you are talking about? Or is it in some config file?


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Tittsler [mailto:jwt at onjapan.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 5:18 PM
> To: Daevid Vincent
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I have one list send to 
> another list.
> 
> On Apr 29, 2005, at 05:26, Daevid Vincent wrote:
> 
> > Attached is one of the ones I get. In this case, I 
> personally posted 
> > to the
> > party@ list, but they're all the same...
> >
> > As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
> > following mailing list posting:
> >
> >     List:    RBC at daevid.com
> >     From:    party-bounces at daevid.com
> >     Subject: [PARTY] FW: Last Supper Club, Contour, Trinity this 
> > weekend!
> >     Reason:  Message has implicit destination
> 
> Yes, as I suspected, this is being held because the RBC list 
> name does 
> not appear in the To: or cc: headers of the message (an "implicit 
> destination").  I presume my suggestion of adding 
> party at daevid\.com to 
> the acceptable_aliases of the RBC list solved the problem.
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman
> 
> 



From stephen at xemacs.org  Fri Apr 29 05:52:37 2005
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:52:37 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
In-Reply-To: <200504281953.21104.ler@lerctr.org> (Larry Rosenman's message
	of "Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:53:20 -0500")
References: <BAY18-DAV98F006F156873CA2BABDAD6220@phx.gbl>
	<200504281953.21104.ler@lerctr.org>
Message-ID: <878y32i6ii.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Larry" == Larry Rosenman <ler at lerctr.org> writes:

    Larry> What do the logs say?

Don't you ever get tired of saying that?  <0.5wink>

We need to give admins web access to the logs, otherwise it's not
going to occur to them that they are available.



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From ler at lerctr.org  Fri Apr 29 05:54:52 2005
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:54:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
In-Reply-To: <878y32i6ii.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <BAY18-DAV98F006F156873CA2BABDAD6220@phx.gbl>	<200504281953.21104.ler@lerctr.org>
	<878y32i6ii.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <4271B00C.7020205@lerctr.org>

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Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>>>>>>"Larry" == Larry Rosenman <ler at lerctr.org> writes:
> 
> 
>     Larry> What do the logs say?
> 
> Don't you ever get tired of saying that?  <0.5wink>
> 
> We need to give admins web access to the logs, otherwise it's not
> going to occur to them that they are available.

I keep forgetting that some of these folks don't know they exist.  I
just would love to help, and unfortunately I'm not omniscient(sp?) :)


> 
> 
> 


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From ivaldes at hal-pc.org  Fri Apr 29 06:02:43 2005
From: ivaldes at hal-pc.org (Ignacio Valdes)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:02:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved lists, URL's all fouled up.
Message-ID: <web-168547929@mail.hal-pc.org>

Hi, I have lists that were originally configured for 
maillist.linuxmednews.com now I would like them to be configured for 
www.linuxmednews.com I've changed things under the covers and I can 
get to the main admin screen at 
http://www.linuxmednews.com/mailman/admin/mednews, login okay, but 
when I try to get to a submenu, it tries to change 
www.linuxmednews.com to maillist.linuxmednews.org which gives a 
resource not found, naturally because it doesn't exist. How/where can 
I change the lists old internal references to go to 
www.linuxmednews.com not maillist.linuxmednews.org?

Thanks,

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From ler at lerctr.org  Fri Apr 29 06:04:25 2005
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:04:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved lists, URL's all fouled up.
In-Reply-To: <web-168547929@mail.hal-pc.org>
References: <web-168547929@mail.hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <200504282304.26400.ler@lerctr.org>

On Thursday 28 April 2005 11:02 pm, Ignacio Valdes wrote:
> Hi, I have lists that were originally configured for
> maillist.linuxmednews.com now I would like them to be configured for
> www.linuxmednews.com I've changed things under the covers and I can
> get to the main admin screen at
> http://www.linuxmednews.com/mailman/admin/mednews, login okay, but
> when I try to get to a submenu, it tries to change
> www.linuxmednews.com to maillist.linuxmednews.org which gives a
> resource not found, naturally because it doesn't exist. How/where can
> I change the lists old internal references to go to
> www.linuxmednews.com not maillist.linuxmednews.org?
withlist and fixurl.py are your friends. 



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From stephen at xemacs.org  Fri Apr 29 06:09:03 2005
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:09:03 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I default to HTML, not plain text emails?
In-Reply-To: <20050428201211.01D891E4006@bag.python.org> (Daevid Vincent's
	message of "Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:55:41 -0700")
References: <20050428201211.01D891E4006@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <874qdqi5r4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Daevid" == Daevid Vincent <daevid at daevid.com> writes:

    Daevid> Aahh.. Okay. I guess I misunderstood what that checkbox
    Daevid> was for. Seems silly that one would have a choice for the
    Daevid> digests and not for regular emails.

You don't get a choice of HTML or not for digests.  You get a choice
of formats for packaging several posts into one mail message.  If the
original posts contained HTML and that was not stripped, then it will
be passed through.  This may work better if the user chooses the MIME
format for digests, but as far as I know both digest formats pass HTML
just fine.

    Daevid> I thought the old mailman allowed a user to choose if they
    Daevid> got the regular emails as plain or html. Hmm.

No.  What you may have been observing is that multipart/alternative
messages that contain BOTH plaintext and HTML versions of the same
content were viewed as plaintext by members who set their MUAs to
prefer plaintext, and were viewed as HTML by members who prefer HTML.
Since the message contains both versions, the member can (and does)
choose AFTER receiving the message.

In Mailman 2.1, it is (finally!) possible for the list admin to refuse
and/or strip out HTML BEFORE it gets sent out by the list.  Mailman is
not capable of reformatting a message as HTML.  Senders must do that
themselves.

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From ivaldes at hal-pc.org  Fri Apr 29 06:13:15 2005
From: ivaldes at hal-pc.org (Ignacio Valdes)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:13:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved lists, URL's all fouled up.
In-Reply-To: <200504282304.26400.ler@lerctr.org>
References: <web-168547929@mail.hal-pc.org> <200504282304.26400.ler@lerctr.org>
Message-ID: <web-168549064@mail.hal-pc.org>

On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:04:25 -0500
  Larry Rosenman <ler at lerctr.org> wrote:
> On Thursday 28 April 2005 11:02 pm, Ignacio Valdes wrote:
>> Hi, I have lists that were originally configured for
>> maillist.linuxmednews.com now I would like them to be configured for
>> www.linuxmednews.com I've changed things under the covers and I can
>> get to the main admin screen at
>> http://www.linuxmednews.com/mailman/admin/mednews, login okay, but
>> when I try to get to a submenu, it tries to change
>> www.linuxmednews.com to maillist.linuxmednews.org which gives a
>> resource not found, naturally because it doesn't exist. How/where 
>>can
>> I change the lists old internal references to go to
>> www.linuxmednews.com not maillist.linuxmednews.org?
> withlist and fixurl.py are your friends. 
> 
Yep, got it now!

bin/withlist -l -r fix_url linuxmednews -u www.linuxmednews.com


From ler at lerctr.org  Fri Apr 29 06:14:43 2005
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:14:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved lists, URL's all fouled up.
In-Reply-To: <web-168549064@mail.hal-pc.org>
References: <web-168547929@mail.hal-pc.org> <200504282304.26400.ler@lerctr.org>
	<web-168549064@mail.hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <200504282314.43355.ler@lerctr.org>

On Thursday 28 April 2005 11:13 pm, Ignacio Valdes wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:04:25 -0500
>
>   Larry Rosenman <ler at lerctr.org> wrote:
> > On Thursday 28 April 2005 11:02 pm, Ignacio Valdes wrote:
> >> Hi, I have lists that were originally configured for
> >> maillist.linuxmednews.com now I would like them to be configured for
> >> www.linuxmednews.com I've changed things under the covers and I can
> >> get to the main admin screen at
> >> http://www.linuxmednews.com/mailman/admin/mednews, login okay, but
> >> when I try to get to a submenu, it tries to change
> >> www.linuxmednews.com to maillist.linuxmednews.org which gives a
> >> resource not found, naturally because it doesn't exist. How/where
> >>can
> >> I change the lists old internal references to go to
> >> www.linuxmednews.com not maillist.linuxmednews.org?
> >
> > withlist and fixurl.py are your friends.
>
> Yep, got it now!
>
> bin/withlist -l -r fix_url linuxmednews -u www.linuxmednews.com

yep.  No problems.  (I just did a mass migration for someone, and needed to do 
that for ~30+ lists).

LER


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Phone: +1 214-351-4152                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
US Mail: 3535 Gaspar Drive, Dallas, TX 75220-3611


From ivaldes at hal-pc.org  Fri Apr 29 06:31:52 2005
From: ivaldes at hal-pc.org (Ignacio Valdes)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:31:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List sends but does not receive, using Qmail.
Message-ID: <web-168550507@mail.hal-pc.org>

Okay, things are looking good on my install. However, I'm using Qmail 
on my server and my lists are not receiving anything. They are sending 
fine, but a test message never makes it. This is on FreeBSD with 
Mailman installed with port. The Mailman documentation for this looks 
daunting. Any help is appreciated.

-- IV


From ler at lerctr.org  Fri Apr 29 06:34:21 2005
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:34:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List sends but does not receive, using Qmail.
In-Reply-To: <web-168550507@mail.hal-pc.org>
References: <web-168550507@mail.hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <200504282334.21397.ler@lerctr.org>

On Thursday 28 April 2005 11:31 pm, Ignacio Valdes wrote:
> Okay, things are looking good on my install. However, I'm using Qmail
> on my server and my lists are not receiving anything. They are sending
> fine, but a test message never makes it. This is on FreeBSD with
> Mailman installed with port. The Mailman documentation for this looks
> daunting. Any help is appreciated.
contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py is your friend here, as well as the README.QMAIL 
doc. 

That being said, I personally despise Qmail, but have done it with the above 
for a client before :) 



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Phone: +1 214-351-4152                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
US Mail: 3535 Gaspar Drive, Dallas, TX 75220-3611


From ivaldes at hal-pc.org  Fri Apr 29 06:55:39 2005
From: ivaldes at hal-pc.org (Ignacio Valdes)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:55:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List sends but does not receive, using
 Qmail.
In-Reply-To: <200504282334.21397.ler@lerctr.org>
References: <web-168550507@mail.hal-pc.org> <200504282334.21397.ler@lerctr.org>
Message-ID: <web-168552847@mail.hal-pc.org>

On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:34:21 -0500
  Larry Rosenman <ler at lerctr.org> wrote:
> On Thursday 28 April 2005 11:31 pm, Ignacio Valdes wrote:
>> Okay, things are looking good on my install. However, I'm using 
>>Qmail
>> on my server and my lists are not receiving anything. They are 
>>sending
>> fine, but a test message never makes it. This is on FreeBSD with
>> Mailman installed with port. The Mailman documentation for this 
>>looks
>> daunting. Any help is appreciated.
> contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py is your friend here, as well as the 
>README.QMAIL 
> doc. 
> 
> That being said, I personally despise Qmail, but have done it with 
>the above 
> for a client before :) 
> 
Whew! I read the comments in qmail-to-mailman.py and README.QMAIL this 
is complicated!

-- IV


From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Apr 29 07:30:48 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:30:48 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limitting age of held messages.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504281521570.87122@elara.frii.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504281521570.87122@elara.frii.com>
Message-ID: <1119c970226706d1c9ff486913b0a0e4@onjapan.net>

On Apr 29, 2005, at 07:02, Matt Ruzicka wrote:

> At the end of that FAQ there is mention of a third party patch that 
> allows
> you to specify how many days to hold pending messages and to 
> automatically
> discard when they expires.

Mailman 2.1.6 (currently at the "release candidate 2" stage) implements 
similar functionality.


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From stephen at xemacs.org  Fri Apr 29 08:23:00 2005
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:23:00 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
In-Reply-To: <4271B00C.7020205@lerctr.org> (Larry Rosenman's message of
	"Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:54:52 -0500")
References: <BAY18-DAV98F006F156873CA2BABDAD6220@phx.gbl>
	<200504281953.21104.ler@lerctr.org>
	<878y32i6ii.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<4271B00C.7020205@lerctr.org>
Message-ID: <87ll72gkzf.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Larry" == Larry Rosenman <ler at lerctr.org> writes:

    Larry> I keep forgetting that some of these folks don't know they
    Larry> exist.

Ah, that's no sin (heck, Brad was on _my_ case for "assuming too much
expertise" last week).  I just meant that anything that you do more
than once is a candidate for automation.

I just submitted an RFE

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1192175&group_id=103&atid=350103

If it looks useful, please improve and endorse.  If not, I'm sure that
the implementors would appreciate a brief review to that effect!

-- 
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University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
               Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.


From aprakash at tataelxsi.co.in  Fri Apr 29 08:26:20 2005
From: aprakash at tataelxsi.co.in (aprakash at tataelxsi.co.in)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:26:20 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Local list between Mailman and Public mail server.
Message-ID: <4e06d4c251.4c2514e06d@vsnl.net>

Hi List,

	I am very newbie to this MM. I have created a Mailing List (listname) in my Local server.My domain name is, say local.com. In local server, i am running sendmail, everything is working fine.

         I want to make this local list to my Public mail server also. 
        I have another public mail server called isp.com. I want to make this local LIST available for the people having account in isp mail server. so the user's from isp.com can access this local list.i have created account listname at isp.com. suppose a user from isp server, post a mail should reach the local server and 
vice versa. The isp user will use maillisting's name
as listname at isp.com But the local user as listname at local.com.

        I have added RELAY to isp mail server in my mailman configuration to forward local mails. Planning to run Fetchmail, to get the mail from listname at isp.com and put it into mailman's account.I am not expert in sendmail and also in MM. 

It would be very greatful, if any one pointing me right direction... 

Thanks
Prakash




From jwt at onjapan.net  Fri Apr 29 08:27:56 2005
From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:27:56 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question regarding cron
In-Reply-To: <f4b7e954716ca29d4e6d8710e6b54345@idoia.com>
References: <f4b7e954716ca29d4e6d8710e6b54345@idoia.com>
Message-ID: <4e172256e35135a3120202e111b218fb@onjapan.net>

On Apr 29, 2005, at 01:20, Alex at Idoia wrote:

> I have installed mailman on my debian woody. I have checked recently 
> my /var/log/auth.log and they are poluated by a cron that is being 
> executed by mailman every minutes of every day:
> # */5 * * * *   list    [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f 
> /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news ] && /usr/bin/python 
> /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news
> * * * * *       list    [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f 
> /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner ] && /usr/bin/python 
> /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner
> Can you explain me this ?
> Is this really necessary ?

That is the periodic task that was used for the (old) Mailman 2.0.x 
releases to process the messages.

> Can we prevent it from being printed in my /auth.log ?

If you use syslog-ng you could filter them before they are written to 
the log.

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From geoff at austrics.com.au  Fri Apr 29 09:52:03 2005
From: geoff at austrics.com.au (Geoff Russell)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:22:03 +0930 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin interface page problem
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.56.0504291718200.7396@pasta.austrics.com.au>

Hi Mailpeople,

I'm using mailman 2.1.4 on a Linux box (Mandrake). I have a problem
when visiting the "Tend to pending moderator requests" link.

See Message below.

I've tried reloading the config.pck in the lists/listname directory
but the problem keeps happening. All the other links work.

Cheers,
Geoff Russell.


----------------------------------------- Message -----------------------
We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!
Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
	main()
File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 166, in main
	if not mlist.NumRequestsPending():
File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 147,
	in NumRequestsPending
self.__opendb()
File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 82, in __opendb
	self.__db = marshal.load(fp)
MemoryError






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From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Apr 29 10:59:33 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:59:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation problem: 500 internal
 server error
In-Reply-To: <4270BADD.1020109@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <426F68CA.6020406@dsl.pipex.com>
	<32bee23cb9c4168cff3973e1be56efba@onjapan.net>
	<4270BADD.1020109@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <p0620071ebe97a6ef79bd@[10.0.1.2]>

At 11:28 AM +0100 2005-04-28, RT wrote:

>  Problem 1: my 'ISP', for want of a better word, enables suEXEC on Apache,

	Ouch.

>  and I obviously can't change that (aside: doesn't everyone run
>  Apache/suEXEC?

	No.

>                 If not, why?

	In large part, because that's not what is shipped by default by 
most vendors.

>                               And surely most mailman users are in the
>  same situation that I'm in - I don't have a real internet connection,
>  and I rely on someone else's virtual server, on which I don't get a
>  root password?)

	Actually, that's a pretty rare configuration, based on what I've 
seen in the past.  Had it been more common, others would have run 
into this problem before, the documentation would have been 
corrected, and you would not have had these problems yourself.

>  But *none* of this is in the installation instructions, unless I've
>  missed something.

	Nope, it's not in the documentation.  Your problem with suEXEC is 
only the second time I've ever heard this feature mentioned, and you 
may be the first person I've heard of that has resolved the issues 
and documented them to this degree.

>                     And, this isn't my day job, and I'm worried that
>  this isn't secure. Is it a good idea to run mailman's scripts with
>  Apache's permissions?

	Dunno.  Not sure that anyone else has ever tried to do this with Mailman.

>  How does everyone else manage to install this?

	With suEXEC in your kind of configuration?  I don't know that 
anyone else has ever managed to do that.

>                                                  Would someone mind
>  updating INSTALL?

	If you can give us suitable instructions to include (preferably 
as a patch to the INSTALL document), we should be able to get that 
updated before 2.1.6-RELEASE is cut.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

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From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Apr 29 11:15:59 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:15:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin interface page problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.56.0504291718200.7396@pasta.austrics.com.au>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.56.0504291718200.7396@pasta.austrics.com.au>
Message-ID: <p06200720be97ab898ddf@[10.0.1.2]>

At 5:22 PM +0930 2005-04-29, Geoff Russell wrote:

>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 82, in __opendb
>  	self.__db = marshal.load(fp)
>  MemoryError

	This might be a corrupted database.  Try running checkdb.

-- 
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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Apr 29 11:14:15 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:14:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
In-Reply-To: <87ll72gkzf.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <BAY18-DAV98F006F156873CA2BABDAD6220@phx.gbl>
	<200504281953.21104.ler@lerctr.org>
	<878y32i6ii.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<4271B00C.7020205@lerctr.org>
	<87ll72gkzf.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <p0620071fbe97ab0d70ed@[10.0.1.2]>

At 3:23 PM +0900 2005-04-29, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

>  If it looks useful, please improve and endorse.  If not, I'm sure that
>  the implementors would appreciate a brief review to that effect!

	In terms of looking at the mail queue, you'd only be able to look 
at the Mailman side of the mail queue.

	Since Mailman will work with a variety of MTAs and not all of 
them will use the same interface to allow you to look at this 
information (or provide any interface at all to allow you to look at 
this information), your visibility into the MTA queues is going to be 
nonexistent.


	But web access to the logs and the mail queues is a good idea.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From rgp at systame.com  Fri Apr 29 04:22:47 2005
From: rgp at systame.com (Randall Perry)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:22:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail: using aliases
Message-ID: <BE9712B7.68E53%rgp@systame.com>

I have Mailman installed ok on Mac OS 10.3. The web interface works fine,
admin emails work fine, but the documentation on creating aliases to receive
list email via sendmail seems to be missing.

If I have a list called mylist at acme.com how do I get it to mailman from
sendmail. Do I send the mail to the app via aliases like so:

virtusertable entry:
    mylist at acme.com mylist

aliases entry:
    mylist:     "/usr/adm/sm.bin/mailman"

Tried that, but got the error:
localhost Mailman mail-wrapper: Usage: ./mailman program [args...]

Any help is appreciated with this.


-- 
Randall Perry
sysTame

Xserve Web Hosting/Co-location
Website Development/Promotion
Mac Consulting/Sales

http://www.systame.com/





From rgp at systame.com  Fri Apr 29 16:06:54 2005
From: rgp at systame.com (Randall Perry)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:06:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail: using aliases
In-Reply-To: <007501c54cb9$b31892c0$bb2119ac@pcapplegatep>
Message-ID: <BE97B7BE.6902E%rgp@systame.com>

> Hmmm... didn't Mailman mail you a list of commands to add to your alias
> file?
> I don't know anything about Mac OS, but here is what I typically get from
> Mailman when I create a new list:
> 
> franklin:              "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post franklin"
> franklin-admin:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin franklin"
> franklin-bounces:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces franklin"
> franklin-confirm:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm franklin"
> franklin-join:         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join franklin"
> franklin-leave:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave franklin"
> franklin-owner:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner franklin"
> franklin-request:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request franklin"
> franklin-subscribe:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe franklin"
> franklin-unsubscribe:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe
> franklin"

Thanks everyone for the quick response. In addition to adding the aliases
above I had to create forwarding entries for each address in virtusertable,
i.e.:

virtusertable
-------------
franklin at acme.com       franklin

aliases
-------
franklin:              "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post franklin"


Now I'm getting the error:
Apr 29 10:04:45 localhost Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error.
Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman",
but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "daemon".
Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailman", or re-run
configure,  providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=daemon'.

So, I guess I have to re-run configure?
 


-- 
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sysTame

Xserve Web Hosting/Co-location
Website Development/Promotion
Mac Consulting/Sales

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From matt at frii.com  Fri Apr 29 16:09:31 2005
From: matt at frii.com (Matt Ruzicka)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:09:31 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limitting age of held messages.
In-Reply-To: <1119c970226706d1c9ff486913b0a0e4@onjapan.net>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504281521570.87122@elara.frii.com>
	<1119c970226706d1c9ff486913b0a0e4@onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504290806440.87122@elara.frii.com>

Ah, that is good to hear for the long run.

In the short term I'm guessing I can't just delete the messages from data/
without negative side effects from not adjusting the request.pck?

Matthew Ruzicka - Systems Administrator
Front Range Internet, Inc.
matt at frii.net - (970) 212-0728

Got SPAM?  Take back your email with MailArmory.  http://www.MailArmory.com

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005, Jim Tittsler wrote:

> On Apr 29, 2005, at 07:02, Matt Ruzicka wrote:
>
> > At the end of that FAQ there is mention of a third party patch that
> > allows
> > you to specify how many days to hold pending messages and to
> > automatically
> > discard when they expires.
>
> Mailman 2.1.6 (currently at the "release candidate 2" stage) implements
> similar functionality.
>
>
> --
> Jim Tittsler     http://www.OnJapan.net/      GPG: 0x01159DB6
> Python Starship  http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/
> Mailman IRC      irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman
>
>


From rgp at systame.com  Fri Apr 29 17:53:18 2005
From: rgp at systame.com (Randall Perry)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:53:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail: using aliases
In-Reply-To: <00e901c54ccf$4ca0e040$bb2119ac@pcapplegatep>
Message-ID: <BE97D0AE.69105%rgp@systame.com>

> If I remember right (gee, it's only been a week since I got Mailman
> re-installed
> on this box after a disk crash, and I'm already forgetting things), you need
> to
> set the set-guid bit for the CGIs...
> 
They're all set correctly. Think I read somewhere that set-guid doesn't work
properly on BSD, which Mac OSXS is based on.




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sysTame

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Website Development/Promotion
Mac Consulting/Sales

http://www.systame.com/





From sythos at sythos.net  Fri Apr 29 17:59:48 2005
From: sythos at sythos.net (Sythos)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:59:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail: using aliases
In-Reply-To: <BE97D0AE.69105%rgp@systame.com>
References: <00e901c54ccf$4ca0e040$bb2119ac@pcapplegatep>
	<BE97D0AE.69105%rgp@systame.com>
Message-ID: <20050429155948.GA18971@sythos.net>

On Fri, Apr 29, 2005 at 11:53:18AM -0400, Randall Perry wrote:
> They're all set correctly. Think I read somewhere that set-guid doesn't work
> properly on BSD, which Mac OSXS is based on.

OSX need some additional attention

> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

look here for solution


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From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Fri Apr 29 19:55:50 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:55:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail: using aliases
In-Reply-To: <BE97D0AE.69105%rgp@systame.com>
References: <BE97D0AE.69105%rgp@systame.com>
Message-ID: <p06200726be98253b13cf@[10.0.1.2]>

At 11:53 AM -0400 2005-04-29, Randall Perry wrote:

>>  If I remember right (gee, it's only been a week since I got Mailman
>>  re-installed
>>  on this box after a disk crash, and I'm already forgetting things), you need
>>  to
>>  set the set-guid bit for the CGIs...
>
>  They're all set correctly. Think I read somewhere that set-guid doesn't work
>  properly on BSD, which Mac OSXS is based on.

	MacOS X 10.3.9 has turned off all setuid (that's SETUID, not 
SETGID) shell scripts, but if you know the magic incantation you can 
turn them back on.  However, Python is not a shell script, so this 
isn't a problem for us.

	So far as I know, setgid works just fine on MacOS X, at least for 
non-shell scripts.  Of course, Mailman uses setuid and not setgid, so 
this wouldn't be a problem for us anyway.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From nospam2 at mcswartz.org  Fri Apr 29 23:54:12 2005
From: nospam2 at mcswartz.org (John Swartzentruber)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:54:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unicode() error causing shunt
Message-ID: <d4ua3j$u4r$1@sea.gmane.org>

I'm running 2.1.6rc2. For the first time yesterday, I started getting 
cron errors and messages getting shunted. The cron errors and the 
shunting errors appear to be the same. When I run bin/unshunt, the 
following shows up in my error log:

> Apr 29 17:44:04 2005 (30197) SHUNTING: 1114627404.7106659+9a129579e22b7a7876567eea456d5c78552c286f
> Apr 29 17:44:04 2005 (30197) Uncaught runner exception: unicode() argument 2 must be string, not None
> Apr 29 17:44:04 2005 (30197) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose
>     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline
>     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 92, in process
>     send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 133, in send_digests
>     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 315, in send_i18n_digests
>     msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 349, in process
>     partcharset = part.get_content_charset()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 204, in get_content_charset
>     unicode('x', charset)
> TypeError: unicode() argument 2 must be string, not None
> 
> Apr 29 17:44:04 2005 (30197) SHUNTING: 1114767622.905226+1a0d1f1ee1d75fba10ef000cfb04f6aba24ec9ae


I assume the bottom TypeError is the significant part.

I found about four similar reports when I searched the archives, but 
didn't find any solutions. Actually I did find a reply from Barry for 
one of them, but it was from 2003 and said to wait for version 2.1.3.

Is this likely a bug in 2.1.6rc2, or is there something I can fix on my end?



From dan at more.net  Sat Apr 30 00:07:03 2005
From: dan at more.net (Dan D Niles)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:07:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives skipping multipart/alternative
Message-ID: <17010.45063.775860.983002@jane.spg.more.net>


One of my lists recieved a message that was multipart/mixed, with
the first part being multipart/alternative.  So it was something like
this:

multipart/mixed
 |
 +-> multipart/alternative
 |    |
 |    +-> text/plain  (actual message in plain text)
 |    +-> text/html   (actual message in html)
 |
 +-> text/plain (a signature)

When it is archived, it shows:

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followed by the signature text.

How do I get the archiver to expand the multipart/alternative part?

Thanks,

Dan



From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr 29 22:46:38 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:46:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing Contact Mailing Address
In-Reply-To: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E85E7@sjvapcd-mail>
References: <0DFFBE2E899E804E9A5710F7071224381E85E7@sjvapcd-mail>
Message-ID: <42729D2E.4050802@value.net>

Staven Bruce wrote:
> 
> After I commented out the mailman:postmaster and mailman-owner:mailman
> entries from my aliases file and left 
> the aliases that pipe into /var/mailman/mail/mailman, I regenerated the
> aliases file and then restarted the sendmail service. However, even after
> all that, any mail sent to mailman at mydomain.com was not sent to me and
> seemed to disappear. 

I think what you are missing here is that mailman at mydomain.com is a list 
just like any other. If you want arbitrary people to be able to send to 
you via that list, you have to set that list so the default action for 
non member posts is Accept and you have to be a subscriber (member) of 
that list with delivery enabled.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Sat Apr 30 00:56:47 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:56:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listinfo sometimes not displaying public lists?
In-Reply-To: <427150E5.2040405@dsl.pipex.com>
References: <427150E5.2040405@dsl.pipex.com>
Message-ID: <4272BBAF.20807@value.net>

RT wrote:
> 
> I've just installed Mailman and I have one public list. The list is 
> normally *not* visible in mailman/info, although sometimes it is 
> visible. However, it *is* visible at mailman/admin. The strange thing is 
> that I can (occasionally) make it visible in mailman/listinfo by doing 
> something unrelated (just logging in or logging out, possibly) in the 
> admin pages, but I'm not quite sure what.

The thing that makes it appear or not is whether or not the 'host name' 
in the accessing URL matches the url_host name of the list (normally 
DEFAULT_URL_HOST if you're not using virtual hosts).

If you aren't using virtual hosts, set

VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = No

in mm_cfg.py and restart Mailman. Then you'll see all public lists on 
the server regardless of the accessing URL.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Sat Apr 30 01:26:21 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:26:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin interface page problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.56.0504291718200.7396@pasta.austrics.com.au>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.56.0504291718200.7396@pasta.austrics.com.au>
Message-ID: <4272C29D.9020503@value.net>

Geoff Russell wrote:
> 
> I'm using mailman 2.1.4 on a Linux box (Mandrake). I have a problem
> when visiting the "Tend to pending moderator requests" link.
> 
> See Message below.
> 
> I've tried reloading the config.pck in the lists/listname directory
> but the problem keeps happening. All the other links work.

It's not config.pck. It's request.db.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From barry at python.org  Sat Apr 30 02:14:20 2005
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:14:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6 release candidate 3
Message-ID: <1114820060.21515.43.camel@geddy.wooz.org>

Release candidate 3 for Mailman 2.1.6 is now available.  This fixes a
late-breaking problem with RFC 2231 encoded headers containing bogus or
non-existent charsets.  Specifically, this release includes an updated
version of the email package (2.5.6).

Please try this version out as much as possible.  Hopefully Tokio and I
will get a 2.1.6 final out in about two weeks.

-Barry

https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103&package_id=69562&release_id=324205

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From msapiro at value.net  Sat Apr 30 01:49:27 2005
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:49:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscription Mailman question
In-Reply-To: <p06200700be9468cc9dab@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <426D5847.3050404@occamnetworks.com>	<11dcb743e3b216f3d7f852fd243adf40@onjapan.net>
	<p06200700be9468cc9dab@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <4272C807.70304@value.net>

Brad Knowles wrote:
> 
>     This is now in the FAQ at 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.055.htp>. 

And it was in the FAQ before at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.044.htp

-- 
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jwilliard at pcsafe.com  Sat Apr 30 02:41:36 2005
From: jwilliard at pcsafe.com (Jason Williard)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:41:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Questions
Message-ID: <20050430004157.90A762E8182@mx.pcsafe.net>

I just finished installing Mailman 2.1.5 with Postfix 2.2 on my system.  It
appears to be almost working with just a few issues that I'm hoping I could
get some help resolving.  

 

1) I created the lists while working under http://lists.pcsafe.net/mailman/.
However, I would like to have them under http://lists.pcsafe.com/mailman/.
When I go to the listinfo or admin the lists don't show up when I go to the
.com.  Is there any way to fix this without recreating the lists under the
.com interface?  Below are the important lines from mm_cfg.py:

 

  MTA = 'Postfix'

  add_virtualhost('lists.pcsafe.net', 'lists.pcsafe.com')

  add_virtualhost('list.pcsafe.com', 'lists.pcsafe.com')

  add_virtualhost('list.pcsafe.net', 'lists.pcsafe.com')

  POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.pcsafe.com', 'lists.pcsafe.net',
'list.pcsafe.com', 'list.pcsafe.net']

  SMTPHOST = 'mx.pcsafe.net'

 

 

2) When sending any messages to the lists, I get the following error.  

 

                  The Postfix program

 

  <pcsafe-users at pcsafe.net> (expanded from <pcsafe-users at lists.pcsafe.com>):

    maildir delivery failed: create

    /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/maildir/tmp/1114820818.P3390.vs01: Permission
denied

 

I have Postfix configured to deliver to Maildir/ and have added the
following 2 lines to mm_cfg.py:

 

  USE_MAILDIR = Yes

  QRUNNERS.append(('MaildirRunner', 1))

 

Does anyone know what is wrong here?  I have tried changing the permissions
on /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/maildir to 02760 and added the user postfix to
the mailman group.  I also tried changing the ownership of the entire
maildir folder to postfix:mailman, but this is offering the same result.

 

---

Thank You

Jason Williard



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sat Apr 30 02:18:57 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 02:18:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscription Mailman question
In-Reply-To: <4272C807.70304@value.net>
References: <426D5847.3050404@occamnetworks.com>
	<11dcb743e3b216f3d7f852fd243adf40@onjapan.net>
	<p06200700be9468cc9dab@[10.0.1.2]> <4272C807.70304@value.net>
Message-ID: <p0620072bbe987f2a27fa@[10.0.1.2]>

At 4:49 PM -0700 2005-04-29, Mark Sapiro wrote:

>  Brad Knowles wrote:
>>      This is now in the FAQ at 
>><http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.055.htp>. 
>>
>
>  And it was in the FAQ before at
>  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.044.htp

	Blargh.  Sorry, my bad.  I assumed that since people weren't 
referring to a FAQ entry, that it wasn't there.  I thought I knew all 
the FAQ entries and didn't even bother to do a search before I added 
the new one.

	Sigh....  3.055 is now gone.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From nospam2 at mcswartz.org  Sat Apr 30 03:01:10 2005
From: nospam2 at mcswartz.org (John Swartzentruber)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:01:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: unicode() error causing shunt (SOLVED)
In-Reply-To: <d4ua3j$u4r$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <d4ua3j$u4r$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <d4ul24$pk8$1@sea.gmane.org>

On 4/29/2005 5:54 PM John Swartzentruber wrote:
> I'm running 2.1.6rc2. For the first time yesterday, I started getting 
> cron errors and messages getting shunted. The cron errors and the 
> shunting errors appear to be the same. When I run bin/unshunt, the 
> following shows up in my error log:
> 
>> Apr 29 17:44:04 2005 (30197) SHUNTING: 
>> 1114627404.7106659+9a129579e22b7a7876567eea456d5c78552c286f
>> Apr 29 17:44:04 2005 (30197) Uncaught runner exception: unicode() 
>> argument 2 must be string, not None
>> Apr 29 17:44:04 2005 (30197) Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in 
>> _oneloop
>>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in 
>> _onefile
>>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, 
>> in _dispose
>>     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, 
>> in _dopipeline
>>     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 92, in 
>> process
>>     send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 133, in 
>> send_digests
>>     send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 315, in 
>> send_i18n_digests
>>     msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 349, in 
>> process
>>     partcharset = part.get_content_charset()
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 204, in 
>> get_content_charset
>>     unicode('x', charset)
>> TypeError: unicode() argument 2 must be string, not None
>>
>> Apr 29 17:44:04 2005 (30197) SHUNTING: 
>> 1114767622.905226+1a0d1f1ee1d75fba10ef000cfb04f6aba24ec9ae
> 
> 
> 
> I assume the bottom TypeError is the significant part.
> 
> I found about four similar reports when I searched the archives, but 
> didn't find any solutions. Actually I did find a reply from Barry for 
> one of them, but it was from 2003 and said to wait for version 2.1.3.
> 
> Is this likely a bug in 2.1.6rc2, or is there something I can fix on my 
> end?

Apparently it was a bug in 2.1.6rc2. I'm not sure whether my report 
triggered a very fast fix, or if I should have waited another day before 
reporting. In any case 2.1.6rc3 seems to have resolved the problem. 
Thanks guys!




From stephen at xemacs.org  Sat Apr 30 09:13:35 2005
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 16:13:35 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
In-Reply-To: <p0620071fbe97ab0d70ed@[10.0.1.2]> (Brad Knowles's message of
	"Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:14:15 +0200")
References: <BAY18-DAV98F006F156873CA2BABDAD6220@phx.gbl>
	<200504281953.21104.ler@lerctr.org>
	<878y32i6ii.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<4271B00C.7020205@lerctr.org>
	<87ll72gkzf.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<p0620071fbe97ab0d70ed@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <87u0log2jk.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Brad" == Brad Knowles <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org> writes:

Thanks for your comments!

    Brad> 	Since Mailman will work with a variety of MTAs and not
    Brad> all of them will use the same interface to allow you to look
    Brad> at this information (or provide any interface at all to
    Brad> allow you to look at this information), your visibility into
    Brad> the MTA queues is going to be nonexistent.

I know; but there's nothing we can really do about that for people who
don't have special privileges.  That's one of the main things I had in
mind when I suggested a mini-FAQ on the proposed "troubleshooting" page.

I'll submit a change to the RFE to emphasize that.

-- 
School of Systems and Information Engineering http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
               Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.


From ah_teck81 at pmail.ntu.edu.sg  Sat Apr 30 14:09:11 2005
From: ah_teck81 at pmail.ntu.edu.sg (#NG SWEE TECK (S8133672E)#)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:09:11 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need original html code for public pages
Message-ID: <84A109BF918D934CB46ACF33BCE187C007A888@mail02.student.main.ntu.edu.sg>

After I've made some changes, the whole page doesn't seem to work anymore.
http://mail.pslemath.com/mailman/listinfo/newsletter_pslemath.com

I would like to have the original html code for the general information page so that I could start all over again.

Thanks in advance.

Swee Teck


From jpertschuk at marin.k12.ca.us  Sat Apr 30 00:53:50 2005
From: jpertschuk at marin.k12.ca.us (Jarrel Pertschuk)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:53:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new to mime filters
Message-ID: <f67649332f6432238361045cf9c361aa@marin.k12.ca.us>

Hey there trying to learn how to filter attachments with a list of 
extensions. I'd like to write a filter that will scan for all items 
like .exe, .dll  and a long list of things of that sort and delete 
them. Not sure how to do this. Can anyone help with this basic 
question?

Thanks,
-Jay



From rasmus at resen.org  Sat Apr 30 12:14:25 2005
From: rasmus at resen.org (Rasmus Resen Amossen)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:14:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange "permission denied" cron messages
Message-ID: <64305.212.10.218.108.1114856065.squirrel@resen.org>

I have installed mailman-2.1.5 (from source on a debian) but keep getting
the below error messages from cron. The jobs are scheduled in the crontab
for the "mailman" user.

check_perms reports "no problems found"

I can run the scripts just fine, without getting any error output, if I do
it manually as the mailman user from the shell:
   /usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman-2.1.5/cron/checkdbs

Also, as the mailman user, I have no problems with creating/writing to the
files and dirs that apparently have wrong permissions (according to the
cron mail).

How can I get rid of these annoying error messages?


Cron mails: ------------------------------------------------------

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.5/cron/checkdbs", line 178, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.5/cron/checkdbs", line 98, in main
    mlist.Save()
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/MailList.py", line 528, in Save
    self.SaveRequestsDb()
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 121, in
SaveRequestsDb
    self.__closedb()
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 98, in __closedb
    fp = open(tmpfile, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/usr/local/mailman-2.1.5/lists/mailman/request.pck.tmp'

--------------------------------------------------------------

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.5/cron/senddigests", line 94, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.5/cron/senddigests", line 87, in main
    mlist.Save()
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/MailList.py", line 525, in Save
    self.__save(dict)
  File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/MailList.py", line 480, in __save
    fp = open(fname_tmp, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/usr/local/mailman-2.1.5/lists/mailman/config.pck.tmp.debian.27406'



From Sgreen at campbellwilson.com  Fri Apr 29 21:28:22 2005
From: Sgreen at campbellwilson.com (Susan Green)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:28:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Manual
Message-ID: <s2724498.085@mail.campbellwilson.com>

Do you have a user manual for this software?  Thanks!
 
Susan D. Green
Senior Consultant
CampbellWilson Healthcare Consulting, L.L.P.
(214) 373-7077
(800) 723-6492
fax (214) 750-5239
www.campbellwilson.com
 
This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential
information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom
this e-mail is addressed.  Any review, dissemination, or copying of this
communication by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly
prohibited.  If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the
sender by reply e-mail and delete and destroy all copies of the original
message.
CampbellWilson, L.L.P.



From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sat Apr 30 15:48:07 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:48:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Manual
In-Reply-To: <s2724498.085@mail.campbellwilson.com>
References: <s2724498.085@mail.campbellwilson.com>
Message-ID: <p06200731be993cf3a333@[10.0.1.2]>

At 3:28 PM -0400 2005-04-29, Susan Green wrote:

>  Do you have a user manual for this software?  Thanks!

	What documentation exists for Mailman can be found at 
<http://www.list.org/docs.html> or linked from that page.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org  Sat Apr 30 15:52:19 2005
From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:52:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new to mime filters
In-Reply-To: <f67649332f6432238361045cf9c361aa@marin.k12.ca.us>
References: <f67649332f6432238361045cf9c361aa@marin.k12.ca.us>
Message-ID: <p06200732be993d21ae0d@[10.0.1.2]>

At 3:53 PM -0700 2005-04-29, Jarrel Pertschuk wrote:

>  Hey there trying to learn how to filter attachments with a list of
>  extensions. I'd like to write a filter that will scan for all items
>  like .exe, .dll  and a long list of things of that sort and delete
>  them. Not sure how to do this. Can anyone help with this basic question?

	The problem is that these sorts of things could be presented in 
any number of ways, and may or may not correspond to given MIME 
bodypart types, etc....  You're better off selecting the things that 
you know to be safe and allowing them through and then rejecting or 
stripping everything else.

	That's easily done by going into the "Content Filtering" page of 
the web admin interface for your mailing list, turning on the radio 
button at the top of that page (with the description "Should Mailman 
filter the content of list traffic according  to the settings 
below?"), and then making sure that the first multi-line field is 
empty, and the second multi-line field has the MIME bodypart types 
you know to be safe.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.


From maddoc at maddoc.net  Sat Apr 30 20:08:51 2005
From: maddoc at maddoc.net (Doc Schneider)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:08:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce processing
Message-ID: <4273C9B3.2030006@maddoc.net>

I've looked through the FAQs and can't find anything about what I need 
for a list I run.

Can Mailman, when it gets a bounce, send the bounce to the listowner and 
not process it? Alls I can find is the option to turn off (and discard) 
bounce processing.

I've got a list that is sent out monthly and need to track bounces to 
remove members who do bounce.

Is what I need possible with Mailman or should I stick to what I'm using 
(ecartis) for this monthly list?

TIA,

-Doc

ps. I can hack python pretty good, so hacking the code is no big deal. 
Just need a pointer to where to start looking.


From jpeterson at sti.nasa.gov  Sat Apr 30 22:33:22 2005
From: jpeterson at sti.nasa.gov (Jeff Peterson)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 16:33:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Topic Filter Expression question
Message-ID: <55DDBD7541A9894B9F695868B6DFFEEDFEAA52@exchange.w2k.casi.sti.nasa.gov>

I am currently running Mailman 2.1.6.rc2. I am setting up a List with
multiple Topics. I have the Topic Filter Enabled. I set number of body
lines the topic matcher should scan to 0. I only want the Subject line
to be scanned. I would like to filter the incoming messages to unique
topics. How do I set up the 'Regexp:' box for each Topic? An example of
a subject line is as follows:

 

Subject: SCAN-ALL-TOPICS

 

 

What is the syntax? Thank you very much.

 

Jeff Peterson

NASA/CASI ASRC Aerospace Corporation