From FL1p5ty13 at aol.com Sun Jan 2 05:51:05 2005 From: FL1p5ty13 at aol.com (FL1p5ty13 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 23:51:05 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] queued, but not sent Message-ID: _p.c. technician_ (http://view.atdmt.com/MSN/iview/msnnkhac001728x90xWBCSCO00110msn/direct;wi.728;hi.90/01) From mailman-users-list at mcvfifesanddrums.org Sun Jan 2 06:45:12 2005 From: mailman-users-list at mcvfifesanddrums.org (Jeff Donsbach) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 00:45:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Zope Message-ID: What is the status of the project to integrate Mailman with Zope? I had read something was underway. Just wondering where it stands. I am starting to build a portal with Zope and it would be great to integrate some mailman functions into it. Thanks, Jeff D From paul at topguncomputers.com Sun Jan 2 13:25:08 2005 From: paul at topguncomputers.com (paul at topguncomputers.com) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 04:25:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain setup problem Message-ID: <3718.192.168.1.1.1104668708.squirrel@192.168.1.1> Postfix version 2.0.16 Fedora Core 1 mailman 2.1.15 First off none of my email accounts on my email server are local. All are virtual mailbox domains. Now I have a domain topguncomputers.com that accepts the most common email. the fqdn of my server is server.topguncomputers.com So in postfix $mydomain = topguncomputers.com $myhostname = server.topguncomputers.com $myorigin = $mydomain $mydestination = default postfix setting. $virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/valias,hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman $alias_maps=hash:/etc/aliases,hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases in mm_cfg.py DEFAULT_URL_HOST='topguncomputers.com' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST='list.topguncomputers.com' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAIN=['list.topguncompuers.com'] Ok now if I send an email to the following address mailman-owner at lists.topguncomputers.com postfix finds it in the virtual-mailman table. and converts it to mail-owner The problem I'm having is that than it trys to append the domain name topguncomputers.com to that and hence forth can't find that email address cause it doesn't exist. So basically mail-owner at lists.topguncomputers.com gives me an error of unknown user mail-owner at topguncomputers.com in my postfix queue. oh the ower of this mailling list is root at topguncomputers.com. And that account does exist and gets email regularly from my server. From macbantam at ntlworld.com Sun Jan 2 17:20:23 2005 From: macbantam at ntlworld.com (PeteBell) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:20:23 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edited pages Message-ID: <3442611E-5CDA-11D9-877E-000393863774@ntlworld.com> I have recently come across a problem which I need your help on please. First let me say that the installation of Mailman which I use is NOT available to me - it is shared server-wide with many other users who are hosted on the server. As admninistrator of a list I am setting up, I edited the html of two of the only webpages available to be edited to add some degree of personalisation, namely the "subscription results" page and the "user options" page. Everything was working well until yesterday when I was testing a few things out, and found that for some unknown reason the old mailman-generated pages had come back. Now, luckily I had backed up the html of my customised pages and was able to sort it out quite quickly, but it was only because I happened along by fluke that I noticed the problem, and I want to avoid it ever happening again. I don't want my users to be browsing my pretty, personalised webpages to be suddenly confronted by two rather ugly mailman pages in the middle of my site! My webhost can't think why it happened, and is reluctant to blame an upgrade or restoration of some backup or other. I think what I need to find out from you, is the usual location of both the two original mailman generated pages, and also the location of the two pages after I have edited them (if different). Thanks in advance. Pete Bell, UK From hmag at ozemail.com.au Sun Jan 2 21:40:55 2005 From: hmag at ozemail.com.au (Terry Allen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 07:40:55 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edited pages In-Reply-To: <3442611E-5CDA-11D9-877E-000393863774@ntlworld.com> References: <3442611E-5CDA-11D9-877E-000393863774@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: >I have recently come across a problem which I need your help on please. > >First let me say that the installation of Mailman which I use is NOT >available to me - it is shared server-wide with many other users who >are hosted on the server. > >As admninistrator of a list I am setting up, I edited the html of >two of the only webpages available to be edited to add some degree >of personalisation, namely the "subscription results" page and the >"user options" page. Everything was working well until yesterday >when I was testing a few things out, and found that for some unknown >reason the old mailman-generated pages had come back. > >Now, luckily I had backed up the html of my customised pages and was >able to sort it out quite quickly, but it was only because I >happened along by fluke that I noticed the problem, and I want to >avoid it ever happening again. I don't want my users to be browsing >my pretty, personalised webpages to be suddenly confronted by two >rather ugly mailman pages in the middle of my site! > >My webhost can't think why it happened, and is reluctant to blame an >upgrade or restoration of some backup or other. > >I think what I need to find out from you, is the usual location of >both the two original mailman generated pages, and also the location >of the two pages after I have edited them (if different). > >Thanks in advance. >Pete Bell, UK > Hi again, Looking at your post, it would be hard to place the fault of the problem at the feet of Mailman. Pages simply do not change unless something has changed them. Despite protests from the host provider, I would be thinking either upgrade or system restoration or similar. I would be thinking that they stuffed up & are reluctant to admit it. Wouldn't be the first time this has happened. If the host is providing multi-user mailman environs, then the locations may well be different. I am guessing that the pages you are seeking would be in /usr/local/mailman/templates/en - however, this depends largely on the paths the person who set Mailman up with used. Hope this helps. -- Bye for now, Terry Allen ___________________________________________________________________ hEARd Postal Address: hEARd, 26B Glenning Rd, Glenning Valley, NSW 2261, Australia Internet - WWW: http://heard.com.au http://itavservices.com EMAIL: hmag at ozemail.com.au Phone: Australia - 02 4388 1400 / International - + 61 2 43881400 Mobile: Australia - 04 28881400 / International - 61 4 28881400 ----------------------------------------------- Non profit promotion for new music - since 1994 ----------------------------------------------- From tflight at adelphia.net Sun Jan 2 22:36:35 2005 From: tflight at adelphia.net (Tim Flight) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:36:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron errors & corrupt config.pck.last Message-ID: <60C0FEC2-5D06-11D9-BAF6-000D9351E4BC@adelphia.net> Hello, I'm new at mailman so sorry if this is routine. I've searched and found others who had the same problem, but no solution. I'm running the default mailman install (2.1.2) on Mac OS X Server 10.3.7. Once every few days I get the following email sent to me from my server: +--------------------+ From: user at host (Cron Daemon) Date: December 29, 2004 9:00:01 AM EST To: user at host Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /usr/share/mailman/cron/disabled Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/disabled", line 209, in ? main() File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/disabled", line 202, in main mlist.Save() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 515, in Save self.__save(dict) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 487, in __save os.unlink(fname_last) OSError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument: '/private/var/mailman/lists/listname/config.pck.last' +--------------------+ And the following information appears in my system log at the same time. It normally repeats itself a few times. +--------------------+ Dec 29 09:00:09 2004 (362) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 133, in _dispose mlist.Save() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 515, in Save self.__save(dict) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 487, in __save os.unlink(fname_last) OSError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument: '/private/var/mailman/lists/listname/config.pck.last' Dec 29 09:00:09 2004 (362) SHUNTING: 1104328808.746958+91cc991ae5e0f3557708745b0acf8615bb3b2455 +--------------------+ Through much research into the problem I've figured out how to *fix* the problem, but not how to prevent it from happening again. It seems to happen about once or twice per week. The /private/var/mailman/lists/listname/config.pck.last file becomes corrupt. So corrupt that even "sudo rm config.pck.last" won't get rid of it. However "sudo mv config.pck.last config.pck.last.old; sudo rm config.pck.last.old" will get rid of the corrupt file. Then I restart mailman and everything is fine for a few days. Anybody have any clue what is causing the config.pck.last file to become corrupt? From adam.boettiger at pobox.com Sun Jan 2 23:53:34 2005 From: adam.boettiger at pobox.com (Adam Boettiger) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 14:53:34 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting quoted lines Message-ID: Is there an option in Mailman where as a list owner I can restrict the number of quoted lines in a message and bounce messages that quote more than X lines of a previously posted message? I can't find it anywhere. -- Adam Boettiger boettiger at pobox.com (206) 888-6824 voicemail/fax From watmon at access-4-free.com Mon Jan 3 03:51:34 2005 From: watmon at access-4-free.com (watmon at access-4-free.com) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 21:51:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] posts to mailman@site not accepted by mailman Message-ID: <41d8b336.e.700.15290@access-4-free.com> I've set up a mailman 2.1.5 server, and everything is working right except emails to "mailman at site.com" (not the real domain) are bounced back with a "you are not allowed to post" message. At the bottom of the "Mailing Lists" web page at this URL: http://site.com/mailman/listinfo it says to contact "mailman at site.com", e.g.: If you are having trouble using the lists, please contact mailman at site.com However, when I try to email "mailman at site.com" it bounces with the kinds of message appended. I think it's the same problem as posted here, but there was no answer posted: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg26905.html Thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:39:03 -0800 From: mailman-owner at site.com To: Subject: test Parts/Attachments: 1 Shown 5 lines Text 2 Shown 752 bytes Message, "test" 2.1 Shown 1 lines Text ---------------------------------------- You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at mailman-owner at site.com [ Part 2: "Included Message" ] Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:39:01 -0800 (PST) From: ... To: mailman at site.com Subject: test please ignore [timf at north timf]$ clear [timf at north timf]$ cat prob I've set up a mailman 2.1.5 server, and everything is working right except emails to "mailman at site.com" (not the real domain) are bounced back with a "you are not allowed to post" message. At the bottom of the "Mailing Lists" web page at this type of URL: http://site.com/mailman/listinfo it says to contact "mailman at site.com"< e.g.: If you are having trouble using the lists, please contact mailman at site.com However, when I try to email "mailman at site.com" it bounces with the kinds of message appended. I think it's the same problem as posted here, but there was no answer posted: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg26905.html Thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:39:03 -0800 From: mailman-owner at site.com To: Subject: test Parts/Attachments: 1 Shown 5 lines Text 2 Shown 752 bytes Message, "test" 2.1 Shown 1 lines Text ---------------------------------------- You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at mailman-owner at site.com [ Part 2: "Included Message" ] Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:39:01 -0800 (PST) From: ... To: mailman at site.com Subject: test please ignore From jwt at onjapan.net Mon Jan 3 04:56:45 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:56:45 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] posts to mailman@site not accepted by mailman In-Reply-To: <41d8b336.e.700.15290@access-4-free.com> References: <41d8b336.e.700.15290@access-4-free.com> Message-ID: <7C9F9EC7-5D3B-11D9-B496-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Jan 3, 2005, at 11:51, watmon at access-4-free.com wrote: > except emails to "mailman at site.com" (not the real domain) > are bounced back with a "you are not allowed to post" message. It sounds like you have generic_nonmember_action set to Reject (next to last question on the Privacy options... Sender filters... admin page). For the site_list, Accept is more typical. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at onjapan.net Mon Jan 3 05:06:57 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:06:57 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting quoted lines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 3, 2005, at 07:53, Adam Boettiger wrote: > Is there an option in Mailman where as a list owner I can restrict the > number of quoted lines in a message and bounce messages that quote > more than > X lines of a previously posted message? No, this option does not exist in the stock Mailman. (You could write a custom handler to implement this feature... if you don't think the ways your users will come up with to circumvent the restriction are more annoying than the problem of over-quoting.) -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at onjapan.net Mon Jan 3 06:03:58 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:03:58 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 31, 2004, at 17:07, MichaelP wrote: > Can mailman be configured by the owner to provide only digest service > to subscribers and with posting privilege limited to the owner ? I don't know of a way to limit a Mailman list to "digest-only", although some kludges (like forcing all subscriptions to digest mode and not allowing the user to change that bit) spring to mind. Posting can be limited to specific people (and in the case of just a single person, their frequency of posting would determine how often the mailing list was dispatched even without digest only mode). -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From zzizzle at zzizzle.com Mon Jan 3 06:45:47 2005 From: zzizzle at zzizzle.com (zzizzle at zzizzle.com) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:45:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cell Phones... In-Reply-To: <20050103050410.1661C1E4009@bag.python.org> References: <20050103050410.1661C1E4009@bag.python.org> Message-ID: Has anyone tried using the email groups with cell phones? I tried testing it, and for some reason, on the cell, the return email always includes the "bounce" address as the return email. Whereas for messages arriving to standard email, the return email is the regular list email address. Anyone have any ideas why this might be? Or experience using the list with cell address? Thanks, y'all and happy new year! Jonathan www.zzizzle.com From jwt at onjapan.net Mon Jan 3 07:52:38 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:52:38 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cell Phones... In-Reply-To: References: <20050103050410.1661C1E4009@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <0E840AD4-5D54-11D9-B496-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Jan 3, 2005, at 14:45, zzizzle at zzizzle.com wrote: > I tried testing it, and for some reason, on the cell, the return email > always includes the "bounce" address as the return email. Whereas for > messages arriving to standard email, the return email is the regular > list email address. Anyone have any ideas why this might be? Or > experience using the list with cell address? It sounds like a broken email client in your phone (or provider gateway) that is preferring the Sender/Return path to the From: (or Reply-To) header. There are a few desktop email clients that suffer the same affliction. My JRC AJ-51 works as expected, and my Nokia 6630 mostly does (it doesn't honor Reply-To: nor notice the RFC2369 headers, or more likely, the provider that phone is on doesn't send those headers on its network). -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From david at lcscreative.com Mon Jan 3 09:29:19 2005 From: david at lcscreative.com (David Logan) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:59:19 +1030 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bit setting for new user options Message-ID: <41D9025F.4070404@lcscreative.com> Hi Folks, I've trawled my way through the docs (please point out if I haven't seen it) and would like to know the settings to use to ensure all new members are added with the moderated bit set on. At the moment the config says 256 but doesn't explain which bit is which and I am not that good at reading python code (just yet, I am having a few issues with the way I think 8-)). I know I can do this through the web interface but I am using a perl script to add_members and need them to have the moderate bit switched on right from the start as this is an announce only list. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Regards David when in trouble, or in doubt run in circles, scream and shout From sales at toys4tikes.biz Sun Jan 2 11:06:52 2005 From: sales at toys4tikes.biz (Toys4Tikes) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:06:52 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with setting up List Message-ID: <001901c4f0b2$c9990470$0c4a8490@KELLY> Hello! I want to use a particular list for admin announcements only - i.e. no member replies/discussion allowed. Can I do this and if so, how? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, BellyBelly & Toys4Tikes www.bellybelly.com.au ? Gentle Solutions for Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby www.toys4tikes.biz ? Australian Little Tikes Specialists -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.6 - Release Date: 28/12/2004 From weldonbbs at hotmail.com Sun Jan 2 12:55:05 2005 From: weldonbbs at hotmail.com (Weldon BBS) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 16:55:05 +0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Moderated MSGS + No Attachment in Archives Message-ID: i have 2 quick questions re Mailman 2.1.5 1) Using Mailman 2.1.5 how do i enable a "moderated list'. rrght now, my messages are being sent without approval. i wish to be able to approve/moderate them like in Mailman's older version 2.0 2) In the archive section, I cannot see the JPG attachment that thhe posters are potisng with their messages. Only plain ASCII characters show up - no JGP attachhement. pls reply fast friends! -Anila _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From th at brooklynmedialab.com Mon Jan 3 01:24:04 2005 From: th at brooklynmedialab.com (Teressa Haefele) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 19:24:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizable pages Message-ID: As a webmaster I enjoy the use of the mailman list manager for my website. Thank you for developing such a wonderful tool. I am curious, how come I do not have access to all the html pages that appear as part of the sign up process. for example the primary login page, if a member neglects to put in an email address to unsubscribe or edit options they are kicked to a login page which can not be edited. I am curious if you will be adding those pages to the edit the public html pages part of the admin interface in any upcoming versions of mailman. thank you, Teressa Haefele Co-Founder/Technical Director Brooklyn Media Lab Phone # (347) 244-1741 From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Jan 3 10:46:39 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:46:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron errors & corrupt config.pck.last In-Reply-To: <60C0FEC2-5D06-11D9-BAF6-000D9351E4BC@adelphia.net> References: <60C0FEC2-5D06-11D9-BAF6-000D9351E4BC@adelphia.net> Message-ID: At 4:36 PM -0500 2005-01-02, Tim Flight wrote: > Hello, I'm new at mailman so sorry if this is routine. I've searched and > found others who had the same problem, but no solution. I'm running the > default mailman install (2.1.2) on Mac OS X Server 10.3.7. Please note the Mailman FAQ entry at . All support questions regarding the Apple-customized installation of Mailman on MacOS X Server really should be directed to them. We'll try to help if we can, but we can't make any promises. > Anybody have any clue what is causing the config.pck.last file to > become corrupt? I can't think of anything. Please let us know if you find anything out. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Jan 3 10:47:20 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:47:20 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting quoted lines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:53 PM -0800 2005-01-02, Adam Boettiger wrote: > Is there an option in Mailman where as a list owner I can restrict the > number of quoted lines in a message and bounce messages that quote more than > X lines of a previously posted message? I can't find it anywhere. Not that I know of. If you find out about such a feature for Mailman, please let us know. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Jan 3 11:11:34 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:11:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with setting up List In-Reply-To: <001901c4f0b2$c9990470$0c4a8490@KELLY> References: <001901c4f0b2$c9990470$0c4a8490@KELLY> Message-ID: At 9:06 PM +1100 2005-01-02, Toys4Tikes wrote: > I want to use a particular list for admin announcements only - i.e. no > member replies/discussion allowed. Can I do this and if so, how? If you follow the instructions in the Mailman FAQ entry at , and search for "announcement", you should come to FAQ entry 3.11. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Jan 3 11:14:25 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:14:25 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Moderated MSGS + No Attachment in Archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 4:55 PM +0500 2005-01-02, Weldon BBS wrote: > 1) Using Mailman 2.1.5 how do i enable a "moderated list'. rrght now, > my messages are being sent without approval. i wish to be able to > approve/moderate them like in Mailman's older version 2.0 If you follow the instructions in the Mailman FAQ entry at , and search for "announcement", you should come to FAQ entry 3.11. > 2) In the archive section, I cannot see the JPG attachment that thhe > posters are potisng with their messages. Only plain ASCII characters > show up - no JGP attachhement. That sounds like a configuration issue on your web server, or perhaps on your web browser. Either way, it's not a problem with Mailman. > pls reply fast friends! This mailing list is run on an unpaid/time-available volunteer basis by Mailman mailing list administrators, for Mailman mailing list administrators. If you need fast replies or guaranteed service levels, then you should consider buying a commercial product or service that meets your needs. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Jan 3 11:25:33 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:25:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizable pages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 7:24 PM -0500 2005-01-02, Teressa Haefele wrote: > I am curious, how come > I do not have access to all the html pages that appear as part of the sign > up process. Many of the HTML pages you see from Mailman are generated on-the-fly by the Mailman code, and are not based on any template that is stored anywhere on disk. Making all of these pages fully customizable is an extreme undertaking, and you should be aware that Mailman is an open-source project that is developed in the spare time of the various contributors to the project. See also , , and . > I am curious if you will be adding those pages to the edit the public > html pages part of the admin interface in any upcoming versions of > mailman. You can search the current list of feature requests via the Mailman Sourceforge RFE page at , and you can add your own. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jwt at onjapan.net Mon Jan 3 12:17:21 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:17:21 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bit setting for new user options In-Reply-To: <41D9025F.4070404@lcscreative.com> References: <41D9025F.4070404@lcscreative.com> Message-ID: <09A31A94-5D79-11D9-9F08-0003936A9B5C@onjapan.net> On Jan 3, 2005, at 17:29, David Logan wrote: > I've trawled my way through the docs (please point out if I haven't > seen it) and would like to know the settings to use to ensure all new > members are added with the moderated bit set on. At the moment the > config says 256 but doesn't explain which bit is which and I am not > that good at reading python code (just yet, I am having a few issues > with the way I think 8-)). The bitfield definitions are in mailman/Defaults.py (search for Bitfield). > I know I can do this through the web interface but I am using a perl > script to add_members and need them to have the moderate bit switched > on right from the start as this is an announce only list. If you set default_member_moderation to Yes on the Privacy options... Sender filters page, the new people you subscribe with add_members will have their moderation flag set with no additional action on your part (and no need to know the bitfield defintions :-). -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From david at lcscreative.com Mon Jan 3 12:18:15 2005 From: david at lcscreative.com (David Logan) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:48:15 +1030 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bit setting for new user options Message-ID: <41D929F7.8020404@lcscreative.com> Hi Again, I've managed to answer my own question so please forget I even posted this. If the flag 'Set everyone's moderation bit' is set to on, all new subscriptions are automagically set with this on. Thanks Hi Folks, I've trawled my way through the docs (please point out if I haven't seen it) and would like to know the settings to use to ensure all new members are added with the moderated bit set on. At the moment the config says 256 but doesn't explain which bit is which and I am not that good at reading python code (just yet, I am having a few issues with the way I think 8-)). I know I can do this through the web interface but I am using a perl script to add_members and need them to have the moderate bit switched on right from the start as this is an announce only list. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Regards David when in trouble, or in doubt run in circles, scream and shout ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From drjones at vii.com Mon Jan 3 16:25:18 2005 From: drjones at vii.com (Dr. Jones) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 08:25:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not responding, configuration error? Message-ID: <41D963DE.3090805@vii.com> I can't seem to figure out how to mail correctly through Mailman, version 2.1.5-4. I am including lines from mm_cfg.py along with other particulars about my installation in hopes that someone can help me figure out why I am not able to get this working correctly. My mm_cfg.py (in part): ############################################################## # Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . # # See Defaults.py for explanations of the values. # DEFAULT_URL = 'http://localhost/cgi-bin/mailman/' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST= 'fyrenice.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST= 'www.fyrenice.com' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST,DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) IMAGE_LOGOS = '/images/mailman/' USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 0 DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 0 DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/cgi-bin/mailman/private' Also in Mailman for my primary list, I have the following entries: Name of list: "2ls" Host name this list prefers for email. (Details for *host_name*) mail.fyrenice.com If I make any changes to the configuration through the Web interface, I get an error: Not Found The requested URL /cgi-bin/mailman/admin/2ls/general was not found on this server. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Apache/1.3.33 Server at localhost Port 80 but if I change the URL to remove the /cgi-bin portion then it loads up just fine, i.e., it takes me to the correct page saving the updates. These are some of my problems....I appreciate any help. -- Dr. Scott S. Jones Hands-On Chiropractic IRC: irc.freenode.net #utah Yahoo: sanchiro12 From nielsene at MIT.EDU Mon Jan 3 17:28:38 2005 From: nielsene at MIT.EDU (Eric D Nielsen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:28:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Endless authentication on private archives... cookies set... Message-ID: <1104769718.41d972b667d48@webmail.mit.edu> I'm running the Debian Stable package of GNU Mailman. Public archives work; however private archives require endless authentication. After the first authentication I see the table showing all the months of messages, clicking on any entry brings up the authentication page again. This occurs with either the master-site password or a regular list subscriber. Cookies are being set properly. Background: (complicated, probably related...) The server was installed with Debian Stable around Aug 02 and has been kept patched. In late Nov 04, we tried upgrading to Debian Testing; security issues however, forced us to rollback to Debian Stable and restore from backups. I had to fix several permissions immediately have the restore, but most everything seemed to work -- the mailing lists were back up, new subscriptions worked, moderation of postings worked, etc. However there is the abovementioned problem with the private list archives. Any suggestions? Thank you. Eric From alexander.young at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 19:22:07 2005 From: alexander.young at gmail.com (Alex Young) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:22:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with aliases (permissoins?) Message-ID: I'm trying to make virtual domains work with mailman. I have set up mailman on a separate server using NFS to connect them. The email server is postfix and is co resident with mailman. I have tried changing groups, assigning the same group ID on both servers, making aliases world writable. I still the the following: --- Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 226, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create _update_maps() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 127, Unknown error 127) Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) [GCC 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-4)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 Environment variables: Variable Value CONTENT_LENGTH 137 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_REFERER http://www.moveondenver.org/mailman/create SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) SERVER_ADMIN root at localhost SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/2.0.40 Server at www.moveondenver.org Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST www.moveondenver.org SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.0 QUERY_STRING REQUEST_URI /mailman/create HTTP_ACCEPT application/x-shockwave-flash,text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040206 Firefox/0.8 HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive HTTP_COOKIE admin+admin=280200000069df83d941732800000039663638346661303737303835633532343762653933326130366139303332363664326132373838 SERVER_NAME www.moveondenver.org REMOTE_ADDR 208.5.200.130 REMOTE_PORT 44924 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us,en;q=0.5 UNIQUE_ID qcLIzAoAAAYAADYCBacAAAAA SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip,deflate SERVER_ADDR 10.0.0.5 DOCUMENT_ROOT /usr/www/html/peacepage From alexander.young at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 19:52:19 2005 From: alexander.young at gmail.com (Alex Young) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:52:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with aliases (permissoins?) In-Reply-To: References: <11D66AA6-5DB5-11D9-9C01-003065B75E6E@memphis.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:39:57 -0600, Dan Phillips wrote: > > On Jan 3, 2005, at 12:34 PM, Alex Young wrote: > > I didn't give you enough info - I have done "chmod 777 aliases*" to > > remove permissions from the mix and it has not improved the situation. > > The user and group I use is "daemon" so I have done "su daemon" and > > ran the command in question without errors. > > > > Any other ideas? > > > > Did you check the FAQ? There's also a note in there from Barry Warsaw > that postfix installed in a non-standard location may create the same > error: > > BAW: Note that I think it's also possible to get this error if you > > have Postfix installed in a non-default location, e.g. > > /usr/local/bin/postfix. In that case, be sure the variables > > POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD and POSTFIX_MAP_CMD point to the right paths for the > > respective executables. If not, make the appropriate changes in your > > mm_cfg.py file. > > I have no experience with an NFS setup for mailman so I have no idea if > that is involved somehow. Good luck! > > Dan I checked those settings and they look OK. It's kind of odd that I can run the string producing the error as the user Apache uses with no problem. From msapiro at value.net Mon Jan 3 22:19:45 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:19:45 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edited pages In-Reply-To: <3442611E-5CDA-11D9-877E-000393863774@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: Pete Bell wrote: > >I think what I need to find out from you, is the usual location of both >the two original mailman generated pages, and also the location of the >two pages after I have edited them (if different). The English language templates for the base subscribe results and user options pages are at templates/en/subscribe.html and templates/en/options.html respectively. The edited pages are at lists//en/subscribe.html and lists//en/options.html See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp for more info on search rules for templates. For Mailman to revert to the base template, the edited template would have to be deleted or otherwise become inaccessable or be overwritten with the base template. The normal operation of Mailman and even the installation of an update won't do this. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Mon Jan 3 22:33:56 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:33:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest only In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim Tittsler wrote: >On Dec 31, 2004, at 17:07, MichaelP wrote: > >> Can mailman be configured by the owner to provide only digest service >> to subscribers and with posting privilege limited to the owner ? > >I don't know of a way to limit a Mailman list to "digest-only", >although some kludges (like forcing all subscriptions to digest mode >and not allowing the user to change that bit) spring to mind. How about setting nondigestable to No (on the Non-digest options page)? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Jan 4 01:00:02 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:00:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not responding, configuration error? In-Reply-To: <41D963DE.3090805@vii.com> References: <41D963DE.3090805@vii.com> Message-ID: At 8:25 AM -0700 2005-01-03, Dr. Jones wrote: > I can't seem to figure out how to mail correctly through Mailman, > version 2.1.5-4. We don't use version numbers with dashes in them, so this means that you're using a package version from your OS vendor, or someone who prepared a package version for your OS. Please see and . > If I make any changes to the configuration through the Web interface, I > get an error: > > > Not Found > > The requested URL /cgi-bin/mailman/admin/2ls/general was not found on > this server. Sounds like your apache web server is not set up correctly. See section 5 of the Mailman Site Administrator manual at . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Jan 4 01:02:20 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 01:02:20 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Endless authentication on private archives... cookies set... In-Reply-To: <1104769718.41d972b667d48@webmail.mit.edu> References: <1104769718.41d972b667d48@webmail.mit.edu> Message-ID: At 11:28 AM -0500 2005-01-03, Eric D Nielsen wrote: > I had to fix several permissions immediately have the restore, but most > everything seemed to work -- the mailing lists were back up, new >subscriptions > worked, moderation of postings worked, etc. However there is the > abovementioned problem with the private list archives. > > Any suggestions? Not entirely sure that this will be applicable to you, but check out 4.27 and 4.45 in the Mailman FAQ, via the FAQ Wizard at . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jwt at OnJapan.net Tue Jan 4 01:26:52 2005 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:26:52 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not responding, configuration error? In-Reply-To: <41D963DE.3090805@vii.com> References: <41D963DE.3090805@vii.com> Message-ID: <20050104002652.GA21186@server.onjapan.net> On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 08:25:18AM -0700, Dr. Jones wrote: > DEFAULT_URL = 'http://localhost/cgi-bin/mailman/' This need not be used in a new installation. (It is an obsolete variable, and can be left set to None (as done in the Defaults.py). And you probably don't want it set to localhost if you want the outside world to be able to access the web interface. Typically, you want to set DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' (which is how it is done in the basic Defaults.py) and have a line in your Apache configuration that sets ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/" DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST= 'fyrenice.com' > Host name this list prefers for email. > (Details for *host_name*) > > mail.fyrenice.com These two should agree. Pick the one you want your users to use to address the mailing list, and adjust DNS to suit. > DEFAULT_URL_HOST= 'www.fyrenice.com' > add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST,DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > IMAGE_LOGOS = '/images/mailman/' > USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 0 > DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 0 > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' > MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME > > PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/cgi-bin/mailman/private' I don't recognize that variable (and that doesn't look like a URL). You probably do want a setting of the form: PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s' if that isn't in your distribution's version of Defaults.py. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From drjones at vii.com Tue Jan 4 01:32:01 2005 From: drjones at vii.com (Dr. Jones) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:32:01 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not responding, configuration error? In-Reply-To: References: <41D963DE.3090805@vii.com> Message-ID: <41D9E401.5020803@vii.com> Brad: Thanks for the heads up. I will follow those links and read everything I can, checking my settings in the mean time. Not to disparage your comment about version numbers and dashes for mailman, but....I ran dpkg -l mailman on my debian 3.0 system and get the following: root at fyrenice:/etc/mailman# dpkg -l mailman Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Description +++-======================-======================-=========================================================== ii mailman 2.1.5-4 Powerful, web-based mailing list manager Am I reading the output wrong? Help me understand what i read above, the "2.1.5-4" part... Thank You, Scott -- Dr. Scott S. Jones Hands-On Chiropractic IRC: irc.freenode.net #utah Yahoo: sanchiro12 From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 4 01:56:54 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:56:54 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not responding, configuration error? In-Reply-To: <41D9E401.5020803@vii.com> Message-ID: Brad Knowles wrote: > We don't use version numbers with dashes in them, so this means >that you're using a package version from your OS vendor, or someone >who prepared a package version for your OS. and Dr. Jones wrote: > >Not to disparage your comment about version numbers and dashes for >mailman, but....I ran dpkg -l mailman on my debian 3.0 system and get >the following: > >root at fyrenice:/etc/mailman# dpkg -l mailman >Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold >| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed >|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: >uppercase=bad) >||/ Name Version Description >+++-======================-======================-=========================================================== >ii mailman 2.1.5-4 Powerful, web-based >mailing list manager > >Am I reading the output wrong? Help me understand what i read above, the >"2.1.5-4" part... You are not reading the output wrong, but you are confirming what Brad wrote. Namely that you are running a version of Mailman which was packaged by Debian (or someone for Debian) as opposed to one installed from source on your system. Jim Tittsler has responded to some of your mm_cfg.py issues, but with issues involving prepackaged versions, you might consider seeking help from the provider of the package. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Jan 4 02:13:32 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 02:13:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not responding, configuration error? In-Reply-To: <41D9E401.5020803@vii.com> References: <41D963DE.3090805@vii.com> <41D9E401.5020803@vii.com> Message-ID: At 5:32 PM -0700 2005-01-03, Dr. Jones wrote: > Not to disparage your comment about version numbers and dashes for > mailman, but....I ran dpkg -l mailman on my debian 3.0 system and > get the following: The current version of Mailman is 2.1.5. Debian apparently uses dashes after the official version number, to indicate the version of their binary package. > Am I reading the output wrong? Help me understand what i read above, > the "2.1.5-4" part... What you're missing is that the version number has two parts -- one that is assigned by the Mailman project, and one assigned by Debian. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From nielsene at MIT.EDU Tue Jan 4 03:33:41 2005 From: nielsene at MIT.EDU (Eric D. Nielsen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:33:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Endless authentication on private archives... cookies set... In-Reply-To: References: <1104769718.41d972b667d48@webmail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <0C0B3E6F-5DF9-11D9-898A-000A95A0A9C8@mit.edu> Neither of those FAQ entries nor any of the others in that FAQ seem to apply. I found about 4 posts in the mailing list, with similar problems, but none had received any replies, save one asking about cookies; when the user responded that they had cookies set but still had the problem there was no followup.... Eric On Jan 3, 2005, at 7:02 PM, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 11:28 AM -0500 2005-01-03, Eric D Nielsen wrote: > >> I had to fix several permissions immediately have the restore, but >> most >> everything seemed to work -- the mailing lists were back up, new >> subscriptions >> worked, moderation of postings worked, etc. However there is the >> abovementioned problem with the private list archives. >> >> Any suggestions? > > Not entirely sure that this will be applicable to you, but check out > 4.27 and 4.45 in the Mailman FAQ, via the FAQ Wizard at > . > > -- > Brad Knowles, > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Tue Jan 4 05:55:11 2005 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:55:11 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Endless authentication on private archives... cookies set... In-Reply-To: <1104769718.41d972b667d48@webmail.mit.edu> References: <1104769718.41d972b667d48@webmail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <41DA21AF.8070903@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, Eric D Nielsen wrote: > I'm running the Debian Stable package of GNU Mailman. Public archives work; > however private archives require endless authentication. After the first > authentication I see the table showing all the months of messages, clicking on > any entry brings up the authentication page again. This occurs with either the > master-site password or a regular list subscriber. > > Cookies are being set properly. Possible scenarios: 1) You are redirected to another URL so that the browser doesn't send the required cookie. Check your browsers URL window with wide open eyes if there is something unusual. 2) There is an old and stale cookie remained in your browser and the browser is sending it together with the new cookie. The server only cheking the old one. Clear all the cookies related to your mailman site and retry. They are only suggestions. May work, may not work.... -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From nielsene at MIT.EDU Tue Jan 4 06:12:41 2005 From: nielsene at MIT.EDU (Eric D. Nielsen) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:12:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Endless authentication on private archives... cookies set... In-Reply-To: <41DA21AF.8070903@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <1104769718.41d972b667d48@webmail.mit.edu> <41DA21AF.8070903@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <428196D8-5E0F-11D9-898A-000A95A0A9C8@mit.edu> Thank you. That got me looking in the right direction. The backup restored the proper apache configuration for the ScriptAlias to remove the cgi-bin level from the URL, the base URL in the Mailman config file was not similarly adjusted so it kept directing to a directory that would not request the cookie. Eric On Jan 3, 2005, at 11:55 PM, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > Hi, > > Eric D Nielsen wrote: > >> I'm running the Debian Stable package of GNU Mailman. Public >> archives work; >> however private archives require endless authentication. After the >> first >> authentication I see the table showing all the months of messages, >> clicking on >> any entry brings up the authentication page again. This occurs with >> either the >> master-site password or a regular list subscriber. >> Cookies are being set properly. > > Possible scenarios: > > 1) You are redirected to another URL so that the browser doesn't send > the required cookie. > > Check your browsers URL window with wide open eyes if there is > something unusual. > > > 2) There is an old and stale cookie remained in your browser and the > browser is sending it together with the new cookie. The server only > cheking the old one. > > Clear all the cookies related to your mailman site and retry. > > They are only suggestions. May work, may not work.... > > -- > Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp > http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ > From sythos at sythos.net Tue Jan 4 14:12:00 2005 From: sythos at sythos.net (Sythos) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:12:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail searchable capabilities Message-ID: <20050104131200.GA27865@sythos.net> Hi all I've seen in http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ a pipermail with searchable features, but it don't indicate about external search_engine Pipermail can have search features inside private both public archive without external archiver like htdig nor mhonarc? If yes, how? Regards Sythos -- Sythos - http://www.sythos.net () ASCII Ribbon Campaign - against html/rtf/vCard in mail /\ - against M$ attachments From Matthew.Marshall at noaa.gov Tue Jan 4 14:20:04 2005 From: Matthew.Marshall at noaa.gov (Matthew A. Marshall) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:20:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message-IDs Message-ID: <41DA9804.5080606@noaa.gov> Hello, I am wondering if anyone else is suffering from this same problem. Hopefully I can describe it well. We have a mailman server which sits on ncep.noaa.gov domain. However, we are advertising the lists as listname at noaa.gov. When an email is sent to listname-request at noaa.gov requesting addition to the list, the message is received by the mailman server. However, it is not processed. If the message is sent to listname-request at ncep.noaa.gov, the message is received by the mailman server and processed. I think I have narrowed it down to how mailman reads message-IDs. Has anyone else experienced this problem? Thanks, --Matt From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 4 17:16:59 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:16:59 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail searchable capabilities In-Reply-To: <20050104131200.GA27865@sythos.net> Message-ID: Sythos wrote: > >Pipermail can have search features inside private both public archive >without external archiver like htdig nor mhonarc? If yes, how? htdig can be integrated with mailman to search the pipermail archives. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From adam.boettiger at pobox.com Tue Jan 4 17:25:47 2005 From: adam.boettiger at pobox.com (Adam Boettiger) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:25:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting quoted lines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim - Thanks for this. I'm curious as to why this isn't a stock feature in mm and whether they may plan on adding it. Most all mlm's I know of have this feature. Also curious to learn how others deal with over-quoting on their lists. /AB > No, this option does not exist in the stock Mailman. > > (You could write a custom handler to implement this feature... if you > don't think the ways your users will come up with to circumvent the > restriction are more annoying than the problem of over-quoting.) From sythos at sythos.net Tue Jan 4 17:38:58 2005 From: sythos at sythos.net (Sythos) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:38:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting quoted lines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050104163858.GA32271@sythos.net> On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 08:25:47AM -0800, Adam Boettiger wrote: > Also curious to learn how others deal with over-quoting on their lists. Two step: 1) temporary ban from list 2) suggestion to read (and understand) http://learn.to/quote Regards Sythos -- Sythos - http://www.sythos.net () ASCII Ribbon Campaign - against html/rtf/vCard in mail /\ - against M$ attachments From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Jan 4 17:43:36 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:43:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting quoted lines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:25 AM -0800 2005-01-04, Adam Boettiger wrote: > Jim - Thanks for this. I'm curious as to why this isn't a stock feature in > mm and whether they may plan on adding it. Most all mlm's I know of have > this feature. So far as I know, there are no plans to add this feature to Mailman, at least not in the foreseeable future. As Jim mentioned, it's easy enough to get around these kinds of limitations that the "cure" may wind up worse than the "disease" that you're trying to get rid of. However, if you'd like to put in a request for this enhancement, please do so via the Sourceforge Mailman RFE page at . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From john at wa9als.com Tue Jan 4 18:13:34 2005 From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:13:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-SpamAssassin Message-ID: <006001c4f280$b9365d60$2201a8c0@105.56.105> I'm trying to use the Handler that integrates Mailman with SpamAssassin as described at http://www.jamesh.id.au/articles/mailman-spamassassin/ and referenced in the Mailman FAQ. Although I'm a relative newbie, I am using a similar handler that integrates ClamAV with Mailman successfully. However, I can't get the SA handler to work - Known spam gets delivered to the list as if SA was not involved at all. Spamd is running and SA otherwise working fine with other non-list email I have the python scripts SpamAssassin.py and spamd.py in the Mailman/Handlers directory with ownership list:list (works with clamav script) and have tried root:list. My Mailman mm_cfg.py pertinent part looks like this: GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(1, 'SpamAssassin') #SPAMASSASSIN_HOST = 'my.domain.com' <----tried with and without specifying the hostname # # Scan messages for viruses using Clam AntiVirus GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(1, 'ClamScan') CLAMAV_DISCARD = 0 CLAMAV_CLAMDSCANPATH = '/usr/bin/clamdscan' MTA is Postfix. Linux is Debian Sarge (Testing). I've googled myself silly about this and don't find much - It's supposed to be easy! Thanks any elp. - John From killesreiter at physik.uni-freiburg.de Tue Jan 4 18:58:33 2005 From: killesreiter at physik.uni-freiburg.de (Gerhard Killesreiter) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:58:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-SpamAssassin In-Reply-To: <006001c4f280$b9365d60$2201a8c0@105.56.105> References: <006001c4f280$b9365d60$2201a8c0@105.56.105> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, John Fleming wrote: > I'm trying to use the Handler that integrates Mailman with SpamAssassin as > described at http://www.jamesh.id.au/articles/mailman-spamassassin/ and > referenced in the Mailman FAQ. Although I'm a relative newbie, I am using a > similar handler that integrates ClamAV with Mailman successfully. However, > I can't get the SA handler to work - Known spam gets delivered to the list > as if SA was not involved at all. Spamd is running and SA otherwise working > fine with other non-list email I have the python scripts SpamAssassin.py > and spamd.py in the Mailman/Handlers directory with ownership list:list > (works with clamav script) and have tried root:list. Is there anything in the logs? I am running a similar setup and it is working fine. > My Mailman mm_cfg.py pertinent part looks like this: > > GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(1, 'SpamAssassin') > #SPAMASSASSIN_HOST = 'my.domain.com' <----tried with and without specifying > the hostname > # > # Scan messages for viruses using Clam AntiVirus > GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(1, 'ClamScan') > CLAMAV_DISCARD = 0 > CLAMAV_CLAMDSCANPATH = '/usr/bin/clamdscan' About the same for me. I additionally have: SPAMASSASSIN_DISCARD_SCORE = 8 SPAMASSASSIN_HOLD_SCORE = 5 SPAMASSASSIN_MEMBER_BONUS = 42 > MTA is Postfix. Linux is Debian Sarge (Testing). I've googled myself Exim on stable (but a recent mm from cvs). logs/vette should show you discarded messages. Cheers, Gerhard From eds at reric.net Tue Jan 4 19:23:00 2005 From: eds at reric.net (Eric Seppanen) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:23:00 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't admin 'mailman' list Message-ID: <20050104182300.GB9062@reric.net> Recently some confused person or spam-bot sent a message to the mailing list named 'mailman' at my site. I no longer remember what this list is for, but the install directions told me to create it. Anyway, because this mail was sent to that list by a non-member it was quarantined and I'm getting messages saying > The Mailman at mysite.com mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for your > consideration at: > > http://www.mysite.com/mailman/admindb/mailman > > Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of > pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. but for some reason, I can't reach the admin page for the 'mailman' list-- it simply redirects me back to /mailman/listinfo. So I'm getting daily reminders that I can't stop, because the web admin interface doesn't appear to allow access to the special 'mailman' list. How can I fix this? Thanks, Eric From eds at reric.net Tue Jan 4 19:36:16 2005 From: eds at reric.net (Eric Seppanen) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:36:16 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't admin 'mailman' list In-Reply-To: <20050104182300.GB9062@reric.net> References: <20050104182300.GB9062@reric.net> Message-ID: <20050104183616.GA9206@reric.net> On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:23:00PM -0600, Eric Seppanen wrote: > ...for some reason, I can't reach the admin page for the 'mailman' > list-- it simply redirects me back to /mailman/listinfo. > > So I'm getting daily reminders that I can't stop, because the web admin > interface doesn't appear to allow access to the special 'mailman' list. > How can I fix this? Arg... a minute later the answer occurs to me: the redhat distribution of Mailman includes a helpful redirect that says: RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ http://www.mysite.com/mailman/listinfo that really should have said RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://www.mysite.com/mailman/listinfo ...because otherwise, anything ending in "/mailman" gets redirected, effectively blocking access to a mailing list named "mailman". Looks like redhat has already noticed and fixed the problem in newer distributions: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=115378 From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 4 19:36:43 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:36:43 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't admin 'mailman' list In-Reply-To: <20050104182300.GB9062@reric.net> Message-ID: Eric Seppanen wrote: > >but for some reason, I can't reach the admin page for the 'mailman' >list-- it simply redirects me back to /mailman/listinfo. > >So I'm getting daily reminders that I can't stop, because the web admin >interface doesn't appear to allow access to the special 'mailman' list. >How can I fix this? I'm going to make a FAQ for this. The problem is you have a redirect in your web server that is too agressive. You may have something like RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo in your httpd.conf. This should be anchored as in RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo In the mean time, you can get to the admindb pages for the mailman list by appending /x (or /anything) to the url as in http://www.example.com/mailman/admindb/mailman/x -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Jan 4 19:42:06 2005 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:42:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't admin 'mailman' list In-Reply-To: <20050104182300.GB9062@reric.net> References: <20050104182300.GB9062@reric.net> Message-ID: <20050104184206.GD19612@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Seppanen wrote: >> The Mailman at mysite.com mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for >> your consideration at: >> >> http://www.mysite.com/mailman/admindb/mailman >> >> Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of >> pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. > > but for some reason, I can't reach the admin page for the 'mailman' > list-- it simply redirects me back to /mailman/listinfo. > > So I'm getting daily reminders that I can't stop, because the web > admin interface doesn't appear to allow access to the special > 'mailman' list. How can I fix this? You have a bad redirect in your web server config. That's what needs fixed. By default Mailman doesn't do this. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Suppose I were a member of Congress, and suppose I were an idiot. But, I repeat myself. -- Mark Twain -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iG0EARECAC0FAkHa434mGGh0dHA6Ly93d3cucG9ib3guY29tL350bXovcGdwL3Rt ei5hc2MACgkQuv+09NZUB1raywCfad/tvOcUJ/ITCqFLQjbnPO4GLcwAnA8Nk955 uSDz6c9Zmy+nBJ9IIp7/ =hW0A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Corjonmce at aol.com Mon Jan 3 21:50:08 2005 From: Corjonmce at aol.com (Corjonmce at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:50:08 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] no quotas for mailman, but Disc quota exceeded Message-ID: <13e.9d34212.2f0b0a00@aol.com> When I got that message it was after I had sent an e-mail to a very sick friend. I took it that he had somehow blocked his e-mails because of his health condition. From glen.low at pixelglow.com Wed Jan 5 02:02:00 2005 From: glen.low at pixelglow.com (Glen Low) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:02:00 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Running Mailman with Cpanel, or on a different server Message-ID: <67B32F53-5EB5-11D9-965E-000D9337BC48@pixelglow.com> Dear All Apologies in advance if this is too newbieish -- I have consulted the online materials but to no avail. The web hosting company I use has Mailman configured for use under Cpanel. Unfortunately they have a rule which limits outgoing emails to 200 per hour. I know from online materials that it would be difficult to throttle the number of emails sent out, so I need to explore several alternatives. As I understand it, the Cpanel install creates a lists subdirectory for each mailing list it creates. 1. Can I override the HTML template used to generate pipermail archives by putting an appropriate file in the list subdirectory? 2. Can I direct mailman to use a different machine or MTA through the list subdirectory? If the Cpanel approach is too inflexible, I'm hoping to run Mailman and the MTA on my own server but keep the web-related parts on the web host company servers. (Primarily so there's no hassle to get an appropriate subdomain, so that the web and search engine traffic goes to their servers, etc.) 3. Is it possible to get Mailman on my server to archive mail to the web host company server? Perhaps by using ftp? (Are the archives static files or cgi generated?) 4. How about the web front ends to the mailing list, is it possible to somehow rewire the cgi to interface with the Mailman on my system? 5. Can I get Mailman to talk to an MTA on a different server? e.g. my ISP server? Cheers, Glen Low --- pixelglow software | simply brilliant stuff www.pixelglow.com From john at wa9als.com Wed Jan 5 02:06:50 2005 From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:06:50 -0500 Subject: SOLVED Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-SpamAssassin References: <006001c4f280$b9365d60$2201a8c0@105.56.105> Message-ID: <007f01c4f2c2$d64acca0$0100a8c0@wa9als> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerhard Killesreiter" To: "John Fleming" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-SpamAssassin > > > On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, John Fleming wrote: > >> I'm trying to use the Handler that integrates Mailman with SpamAssassin >> as >> described at http://www.jamesh.id.au/articles/mailman-spamassassin/ and >> referenced in the Mailman FAQ. Although I'm a relative newbie, I am >> using a >> similar handler that integrates ClamAV with Mailman successfully. >> However, >> I can't get the SA handler to work - Known spam gets delivered to the >> list >> as if SA was not involved at all. Spamd is running and SA otherwise >> working >> fine with other non-list email I have the python scripts SpamAssassin.py >> and spamd.py in the Mailman/Handlers directory with ownership list:list >> (works with clamav script) and have tried root:list. > > Is there anything in the logs? I am running a similar setup and it is > working fine. > >> My Mailman mm_cfg.py pertinent part looks like this: >> >> GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(1, 'SpamAssassin') >> #SPAMASSASSIN_HOST = 'my.domain.com' <----tried with and without >> specifying >> the hostname >> # >> # Scan messages for viruses using Clam AntiVirus >> GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(1, 'ClamScan') >> CLAMAV_DISCARD = 0 >> CLAMAV_CLAMDSCANPATH = '/usr/bin/clamdscan' > > About the same for me. > > I additionally have: > > SPAMASSASSIN_DISCARD_SCORE = 8 > SPAMASSASSIN_HOLD_SCORE = 5 > SPAMASSASSIN_MEMBER_BONUS = 42 > >> MTA is Postfix. Linux is Debian Sarge (Testing). I've googled myself > > Exim on stable (but a recent mm from cvs). > > logs/vette should show you discarded messages. > > Cheers, > Gerhard I found some clues in vette. My main problem was that SPAMASSASSIN_HOST = 'localhost' was the only thing that worked for me - using my FQDN' or hostname did not work. Then my testing was obfuscated by using a spam that was above the hold score. Tnx bandwidth and tips received. Working great now. - John -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004 From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Jan 5 02:20:30 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 02:20:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Running Mailman with Cpanel, or on a different server In-Reply-To: <67B32F53-5EB5-11D9-965E-000D9337BC48@pixelglow.com> References: <67B32F53-5EB5-11D9-965E-000D9337BC48@pixelglow.com> Message-ID: At 9:02 AM +0800 2005-01-05, Glen Low wrote: > 1. Can I override the HTML template used to generate pipermail archives > by putting an appropriate file in the list subdirectory? I don't believe so, but cPanel may have made changes to the version of Mailman that they provide. Please see . > 2. Can I direct mailman to use a different machine or MTA through the > list subdirectory? It is possible to configure Mailman to use a different MTA for outgoing mail, but not via a file in the list subdirectory. You'd have to modify the mm_cfg.py file. > 3. Is it possible to get Mailman on my server to archive mail to the > web host company server? Perhaps by using ftp? (Are the archives static > files or cgi generated?) You can't do this directly, but the archives are generated as static files by Mailman, so you could ftp the HTML and other files up to their server. However, you'd also need to edit the HTML to use the URLs that would be correct for the appropriate locations on the hosting server as opposed to your local Mailman machine. That would take some work, but is do-able. Of course, this would need to be automated via some mechanism outside of the scope of Mailman, such as cron. > 4. How about the web front ends to the mailing list, is it possible > to somehow rewire the cgi to interface with the Mailman on my system? I'm not entirely sure what you're asking here, but if I'm correct, then I don't think that this is possible. You could set up a reverse proxy on your hosting provider server (or have them set up a reverse proxy for you), but I don't know if that is within the scope of the contract you have with them. > 5. Can I get Mailman to talk to an MTA on a different server? e.g. my > ISP server? Yes, by making the appropriate modifications to the mm_cfg.py file. However, I believe that changing your outgoing MTA in this file will only affect lists that are created after the change is made, and all previously existing lists will continue to use the old configuration. You'd need to do some work to copy all the list configuration items over to another list, delete the old list, then move the list configuration items back over again, with all subscriptions intact, etc.... This can be a "non-trivial" task, depending on your particular list configuration, your subscriber list, etc.... -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From glen.low at pixelglow.com Wed Jan 5 02:49:09 2005 From: glen.low at pixelglow.com (Glen Low) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:49:09 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Running Mailman with Cpanel, or on a different server In-Reply-To: References: <67B32F53-5EB5-11D9-965E-000D9337BC48@pixelglow.com> Message-ID: Brad: Thanks for your quick reply. On 05/01/2005, at 9:20 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: >> 3. Is it possible to get Mailman on my server to archive mail to the >> web host company server? Perhaps by using ftp? (Are the archives >> static >> files or cgi generated?) > > You can't do this directly, but the archives are generated as static > files by Mailman, so you could ftp the HTML and other files up to > their server. However, you'd also need to edit the HTML to use the > URLs that would be correct for the appropriate locations on the > hosting server as opposed to your local Mailman machine. That would > take some work, but is do-able. Are not the URL's relative URL's? If not, isn't there a config option I can use to set the base URL's for them -- and hopefully won't spoil some other part of the system? > > Of course, this would need to be automated via some mechanism outside > of the scope of Mailman, such as cron. > >> 4. How about the web front ends to the mailing list, is it possible >> to somehow rewire the cgi to interface with the Mailman on my system? > > I'm not entirely sure what you're asking here, but if I'm correct, > then I don't think that this is possible. You could set up a reverse > proxy on your hosting provider server (or have them set up a reverse > proxy for you), but I don't know if that is within the scope of the > contract you have with them. Some possible avenues of attack: 1. Leave the CGI's on the web host company servers but have them communicate with Mailman on a different server. (Can the Mailman CGI's communicate this way?) 2. Leave only static files for the web front end, and have any CGI form processing happen on my local server. (Are CGI's used to dynamically generate any files in the web front end?) At the very least I have a static IP so would that be enough? 3. I suppose I could write a simple wrapper CGI for the web host company server that transparently forwards and retrieves information from the true Mailman CGI's on my own local server... > >> 5. Can I get Mailman to talk to an MTA on a different server? e.g. my >> ISP server? > > Yes, by making the appropriate modifications to the mm_cfg.py file. > However, I believe that changing your outgoing MTA in this file will > only affect lists that are created after the change is made, and all > previously existing lists will continue to use the old configuration. What I don't understand (showing my newbishness) is, how does Mailman realize there's been mail sent to the list email address, when the MTA is on a different server? Cheers, Glen Low --- pixelglow software | simply brilliant stuff www.pixelglow.com From jwt at onjapan.net Wed Jan 5 02:55:01 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:55:01 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message-IDs In-Reply-To: <41DA9804.5080606@noaa.gov> References: <41DA9804.5080606@noaa.gov> Message-ID: <41DB48F5.4070009@onjapan.net> Matthew A. Marshall wrote: > We have a mailman server which sits on ncep.noaa.gov domain. However, > we are advertising the lists as listname at noaa.gov. When an email is > sent to listname-request at noaa.gov requesting addition to the list, the > message is received by the mailman server. However, it is not > processed. If the message is sent to listname-request at ncep.noaa.gov, > the message is received by the mailman server and processed. Please provide more details. How is the message to @noaa.gov "not processed"? Does it make it as far as Mailman? (If not, then it sounds like your mail server is only honoring the Mailman list aliases for the @ncep.noaa.gov hostname.) Which of the names did you use for host_name (AKA Host name this list prefers for email)? > I think I have narrowed it down to how mailman reads message-IDs. I don't think so. The Message-ID is generated by the sender's client. From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 5 03:53:28 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:53:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Running Mailman with Cpanel, or on adifferent server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: Brad Knowles wrote: >At 9:02 AM +0800 2005-01-05, Glen Low wrote: > >> 1. Can I override the HTML template used to generate pipermail archives >> by putting an appropriate file in the list subdirectory? > > I don't believe so, but cPanel may have made changes to the >version of Mailman that they provide. Please see >. I don't know about cPanel, but in standard Mailman you can replace any of the standard templates in the templates/ directory with per-list templates in the lists/ directory. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From kfogel at floss.red-bean.com Wed Jan 5 06:58:17 2005 From: kfogel at floss.red-bean.com (Karl Fogel) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:58:17 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade hell (Debian) In-Reply-To: <65FA70AA-9EC8-11D7-91D9-000393B986EE@deirdre.net> References: <65FA70AA-9EC8-11D7-91D9-000393B986EE@deirdre.net> Message-ID: In this message http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-June/029660.html Deirdre Saoirse Moen described a problem upgrade she had while upgrading Mailman on a Debian GNU/Linux system. We just encountered the same problem, when we tried to do # apt-get install mailman to go from MM 2.0.8 to 2.1.5-4. We eventually solved it, though it required some local klugery. We do not claim the solution below is elegant :-), but anyway Mailman 2.1.5 is working now. In case it helps anyone, here is what we did... Details: ======== In MM 2.0.8 under Debian, virtually all of Mailman lived under /var/lib/mailman/. In MM 2.1.5, it seems that static data (scripts, templates, etc) lives under /usr/lib/mailman/, and dynamic data under /var/lib/mailman/. (Benjamin "Mako" Hill, a Debian developer, confirmed in IRC that this is the standard way things are done these days.) However, due to some Pythonvironmental weirdness, the scripts under /usr/lib/mailman/bin/ were still trying to import from the old /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/ directory, instead of from the new /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ directory. We still don't know why the Python import paths were messed up. Our solution was simply to take every directory under /var/lib/mailman/ that has the same name as a directory under /usr/lib/mailman/, and make the former a symlink to the latter. Thus: # cd /var/lib/mailman # for name in Mailman bin cron mail scripts do mv ${name} old-${name} ln -s /usr/lib/mailman/${name} . done # (That's not an actual transcript, but you get the idea.) The result looks like this: # cd /var/lib/mailman # ls -l total 664 [...] Mailman -> /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman [...] archives [...] bin -> /usr/lib/mailman/bin [...] cgi-bin -> /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman [...] cron -> /usr/lib/mailman/cron [...] data [...] filters [...] icons [...] lists [...] locks [...] logs -> ../../log/mailman [...] mail -> /usr/lib/mailman/mail [...] mailman [...] messages [...] old-Mailman [...] old-bin [...] old-cron [...] old-mail [...] old-scripts [...] qfiles [...] scripts -> /usr/lib/mailman/scripts [...] spam [...] templates [...] tests # Currently, "apt-get install mailman" works fine (it's basically a no-op, but the point is that all the post-install configuration stuff runs smoothly). Brian and I expect future 'apt-get install mailman' invocations to work as well, based on what apt-get seems to be trying to do. But who knows, we could be wrong :-). Best, -Karl Fogel and Brian Fitzpatrick kfogel {+at-sign+} red-bean.com fitz {+at-sign+} red-bean.com From kfogel at floss.red-bean.com Wed Jan 5 07:49:49 2005 From: kfogel at floss.red-bean.com (Karl Fogel) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 00:49:49 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade hell (Debian) References: <65FA70AA-9EC8-11D7-91D9-000393B986EE@deirdre.net> Message-ID: Two things I left out of this previous message: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-January/041687.html 1. We fixed an apparent coding error in /usr/lib/mailman/bin/update. On line 556, we changed "addr = data[0].address" to "addr = data[0]", since data[0] was already an address string, not a list. 2. Further conversation with a Mailman expert (in irc.freenode.net channel #mailman) revealed that our allegedly non-elegant solution was actually what apt-get should have done anyway -- the symlinks we made are standard on a healthy Debian system. IRC transcript follows, just for reference. --------------------8-<-------cut-here---------8-<----------------------- http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-January/041687.html horrific details of our upgrade are at that url we did eventually get it working, and the new version (2.1.5) looks spiffy. I like the new moderation stuff. Sounds like your upgrade didn't make all the symbolic links. Jim7J1AJH: I'm not sure what 'apt-get install mailman' was supposed to do in detail, but yeah, that seems like a fair assertion. On the one Debian machine that I use Mailman on, /var/lib/mailman has several symlinks into the /usr/lib/mailman tree... where all the code lives. oh So we're not the only ones to have gone this route... It is the "Debian" standard. IOW, we just manually reproduced what apt-get is supposed to do anyway? Great. At least that means future upgrades are likely to work. Sounds like it. Yup. If you want to post to that effect in response to my post, somebody somewhere a year from now would probably save 40 minutes of time. Your call :-). /var/lib/mailman's Mailman, bin, cgi-bin, mail, and scripts all symlink into /usr/lib/mailman. heh! So, we linked cron, and we didn't link cgi-bin. Two points of difference. * kfogel goes to link cgi-bin Oops... yes, cron too. You're right. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Nov 22 02:44 cgi-bin -> /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman Ah. l and one bit of Debian policy I find really goofy, they do: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Nov 22 02:44 templates -> /etc/mailman There is no /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin, but there is a /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman just as you said oy oy * kfogel 's head spins with symlinks Yes. One has to wonder what the packager was thinking. That and leaving the 'cgi-bin' in the default URLs seems bogus to me. They also do: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Nov 22 02:44 icons -> /usr/share/images/mailman AAAAAH good /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin was already a link to the right place, we didn't have to do it. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Nov 22 02:44 locks -> ../../lock/mailman lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Nov 22 02:44 logs -> ../../log/mailman huh locks is not a symlink for us but logs is, and in the way you describe I'm going to fix locks Leaving templates alone though. They also put a symlink so that mm_cfg.py really lives in /etc/mailman instead of in /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman goodness I'm sure there were Good Reasons for all of these decisions. But it sure makes debugging tough. One would hope so. Or answering people's questions when they show up using the Debian package. :-) From andrew.b.watson at nasa.gov Tue Jan 4 03:16:51 2005 From: andrew.b.watson at nasa.gov (Andrew Watson) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:16:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] recreating archive from mbox Message-ID: I am using the arch script to re-create some archives from the .mbox files. Although there were no posts in 2005, it creates a few archive entries for 2005. I am running arch in 2005, and suspect that it may use the current year when a date can't be identified for a post. But the question is why? Is arch unable to deal with some .mbox contents? This is happening with five different .mbox files, so it seems to be a systematic problem. The .mbox files were transfered via ftp, in either binary or text form, with same result. Any suggestions appreciated. Andrew From brenda at brendaharp.com Tue Jan 4 22:58:49 2005 From: brenda at brendaharp.com (Brenda Harp) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:58:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting started Message-ID: Hello, I used to have a list with mailman, but someone else set it up for me. When I changed servers I no longer used mailman. I would like to get another list set up through mailman again, since my current server is limiting my list options. Please let me know how to get started with a new list using mailman. Thank you, Brenda http://www.brendaharp.com Harpopotamus Music Toll Free: 866.564.HARP From mlmpros at jwgmg.com Wed Jan 5 06:40:13 2005 From: mlmpros at jwgmg.com (MLMPROS) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:40:13 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List export Message-ID: <13c601c4f2e9$0a5d6090$b0dd28d8@john> Is there a way to export my list to be used on another website? From boldis at rogers.com Wed Jan 5 08:42:59 2005 From: boldis at rogers.com (Mircea Boldis) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 02:42:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] For mailman Message-ID: <001e01c4f2fa$2e330d60$7900a8c0@mirceavideo> Hello, I am the admin of a few website, and I use your mailman with a real pleasure. Congratulation for this mailing list. I have a question, how can I list all members from my mailing list to see all of them on a single page ? Or is that possible to export this list to an external file ? Thank you very much, Mircea From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Jan 5 09:51:10 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:51:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Running Mailman with Cpanel, or on adifferent server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 6:53 PM -0800 2005-01-04, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I don't know about cPanel, but in standard Mailman you can replace any > of the standard templates in the templates/ directory with per-list > templates in the lists/ directory. See > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp There are eight standard templates which start with "arch" in the templates/en directory, and which could by over-ridden by list-specific versions in the lists//en directory, but I don't think that changing these will have the desired effect. Moreover, I don't think that cPanel would allow you to have this level of access to the templates, but I may be wrong. Anyway, check out the following files in the templates/en directory: archidxentry.html archlistend.html archtocentry.html archidxfoot.html archliststart.html archtocnombox.html archidxhead.html archtoc.html -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From funkytwig at gmail.com Wed Jan 5 12:18:17 2005 From: funkytwig at gmail.com (Ben Edwards) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:18:17 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman broken? Message-ID: <32b873ff050105031868a1ed5e@mail.gmail.com> Went to the main page on out server and got the below errors. Mailman has been running OK for a couple of years, I tried rebooting the server but no joy. Has anybody got any ideas what this could be? Ben Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 42, in main listinfo_overview() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 87, in listinfo_overview mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 124, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 583, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 556, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) UnpicklingError: invalid load key, '_'. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Jun 4 2003, 17:09:19) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.2 2.96-108.7.2)] sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python2.2 sys.prefix /usr/local sys.exec_prefix /usr/local sys.path /usr/local sys.platform linux2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_PRAGMA no-cache PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) mod_jk/1.2.0 mod_perl/1.24_01 PHP/4.2.2 FrontPage/5.0.2 mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.6b SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin//listinfo SERVER_ADMIN ben at videonetwork.org SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/listinfo SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.27 Server at lists.serverone.co.uk Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD GET HTTP_HOST lists.serverone.co.uk SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.0 QUERY_STRING HTTP_NOVINET v1.0 REQUEST_URI /mailman/listinfo HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, application/x-shockwave-flash, */* HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive SERVER_NAME lists.serverone.co.uk REMOTE_ADDR 81.98.213.157 REMOTE_PORT 16328 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-gb SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 SERVER_ADDR 217.160.210.88 DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/serverone.co.uk/lists -- Ben Edwards - Poole, UK, England WARNING:This email contained partisan views - dont ever accuse me of using the veneer of objectivity If you have a problem emailing me use http://www.gurtlush.org.uk/profiles.php?uid=4 (email address this email is sent from may be defunct) From jwt at onjapan.net Wed Jan 5 13:33:12 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:33:12 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman broken? In-Reply-To: <32b873ff050105031868a1ed5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <32b873ff050105031868a1ed5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 5, 2005, at 20:18, Ben Edwards wrote: > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 87, in > listinfo_overview > mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 124, in __init__ > self.Load() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 583, in Load > dict, e = self.__load(file) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 556, in __load > dict = loadfunc(fp) > UnpicklingError: invalid load key, '_'. It looks like one of your list objects might be corrupt. (Did something catastrophic happen on the server? Run out of disk space?) You might try using '~mailman/bin/check_dbs --all' to narrow down which list has the problem. If you are lucky, you might be able to replace the config.pck with config.pck.last... or at least you will know which file to restore from a backup. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From gmorin at sysif.net Wed Jan 5 14:29:38 2005 From: gmorin at sysif.net (Guillaume Morin) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:29:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing attachment Message-ID: <41DBEBC2.7070808@sysif.net> Hello, I would like to remove all attachments of the mails going to a specific mailing list. Browsing the doc and the faq, I have seen that we can block specific attachment, according to their MIME type, but I want to remove all of them. Can I do this with mailman ? Thank you, Guillaume Morin From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 5 17:16:27 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:16:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing attachment In-Reply-To: <41DBEBC2.7070808@sysif.net> Message-ID: Guillaume Morin wrote: > >I would like to remove all attachments of the mails going to a specific >mailing list. Browsing the doc and the faq, I have seen that we can >block specific attachment, according to their MIME type, but I want to >remove all of them. Can I do this with mailman ? This is a little tricky, but you can probably do what you want. There are various options depending on exactly the results you want, but for example, placing the following in pass_mime_types (with filter_content Yes) text/plain multipart/alternative will remove everything except plain text messages and plain text parts from multipart/alternative messages. This probably isn't what you want because it also removes everything from a multipart/mixed message including the plain text part if any. If you add multipart/mixed to the above, you will allow the plain text parts, but this also allows plain text attachments. I use multipart/mixed multipart/alternative message/rfc822 text/plain on most lists and this allows pretty much all plain text through and nothing else (It does block e.g. multipart/related, but this rarely if ever contains plain text). -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 5 17:23:38 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:23:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] recreating archive from mbox In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Andrew Watson wrote: >I am using the arch script to re-create some archives from the .mbox files. >Although there were no posts in 2005, it creates a few archive >entries for 2005. >I am running arch in 2005, and suspect that it may use the current >year when a date can't be identified for a post. But the question is >why? Is arch unable to deal with some .mbox contents? This is >happening with five different .mbox files, so it seems to be a >systematic problem. The .mbox files were transfered via ftp, in >either binary or text form, with same result. >Any suggestions appreciated. First try bin/cleanarch and if that doesn't fix the problem completely, look at the messages (or partial messages due to unescaped ^From\ lines) that wind up in 2005. Find these in the .mbox file and fix them there. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dunhamkm at skymail.csus.edu Wed Jan 5 19:28:26 2005 From: dunhamkm at skymail.csus.edu (Dunham, Kathy M) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:28:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not being delivered to lists Message-ID: Hello, We recently installed mailman on HPUX 11.0. I have not had trouble creating a list but when I attempt to post to the list the following error message is returned: " kdtest at ccshp.uccs.csus.edu on 12/3/2004 12:55 PM The e-mail system was unable to deliver the message, but did not report a specific reason. Check the address and try again. If it still fails, contact your system administrator. < ccshp.uccs.csus.edu #5.0.0>" The syslog entry is as follows: "Dec 3 12:55:12 ccshp sendmail[22690]: iB3KtCj22690: from=, size=1226, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=sl3a.saclink.csus.edu[130.86.80.50] Dec 3 15:55:12 ccshp Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail Dec 3 12:55:12 ccshp sendmail[22691]: iB3KtCj22690: to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post Kdtest", ctladdr= (1/0), delay=00:00: 00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30699, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer error 2 Dec 3 12:55:12 ccshp sendmail[22691]: iB3KtCj22690: iB3KtCj22691: DSN: unknownmailer error 2 Dec 3 12:55:12 ccshp sendmail[22691]: iB3KtCj22691: to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30799, relay=filter.csus.edu. [130.86.82.249], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as 73BB3D000149)" I noticed the timestamp conflict in the log but I can't tell where the inconsistent time is coming from. Can anyone tell me what is wrong and what we need to do? Thank you! Kathy Dunham CSU, Sacramento From funkytwig at gmail.com Wed Jan 5 19:31:04 2005 From: funkytwig at gmail.com (Ben Edwards) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:31:04 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman broken? In-Reply-To: References: <32b873ff050105031868a1ed5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32b873ff050105103127a3e4df@mail.gmail.com> This looks bad ;( [root at oak bin]# ./check_db --all Traceback (most recent call last): File "./check_db", line 153, in ? main() File "./check_db", line 121, in main mlist = MailList(listname, lock=0) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 124, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 583, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 556, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, '_'. [root at oak bin]# On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:33:12 +0900, Jim Tittsler wrote: > On Jan 5, 2005, at 20:18, Ben Edwards wrote: > > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 87, in > > listinfo_overview > > mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 124, in __init__ > > self.Load() > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 583, in Load > > dict, e = self.__load(file) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 556, in __load > > dict = loadfunc(fp) > > UnpicklingError: invalid load key, '_'. > > It looks like one of your list objects might be corrupt. (Did > something catastrophic happen on the server? Run out of disk space?) > > You might try using '~mailman/bin/check_dbs --all' to narrow down which > list has the problem. If you are lucky, you might be able to replace > the config.pck with config.pck.last... or at least you will know which > file to restore from a backup. > > -- > Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 > Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ > Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html > > -- Ben Edwards - Poole, UK, England WARNING:This email contained partisan views - dont ever accuse me of using the veneer of objectivity If you have a problem emailing me use http://www.gurtlush.org.uk/profiles.php?uid=4 (email address this email is sent from may be defunct) From alexander.young at gmail.com Wed Jan 5 20:30:21 2005 From: alexander.young at gmail.com (Alex Young) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:30:21 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still having problems (2.1.5 + Postfix) Message-ID: I have been having a devil of a time with this error - anyone want to take a crack at it? I've already insured that my settings are as per documentation and looked extensively at FAQ's, but perhaps I've missed something along the way. It's a Debian install with python-dev as suggested in one FAQ -Alex Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 226, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create _update_maps() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 127, Unknown error 127) Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) [GCC 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-4)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 Environment variables: Variable Value CONTENT_LENGTH 141 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_REFERER http://www.moveondenver.org/mailman/create SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) SERVER_ADMIN root at localhost SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/2.0.40 Server at www.moveondenver.org Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST www.moveondenver.org SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.0 QUERY_STRING REQUEST_URI /mailman/create HTTP_ACCEPT application/x-shockwave-flash,text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040206 Firefox/0.8 HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive HTTP_COOKIE admin+admin=28020000006996fbda41732800000034313062386131623364366636373931663861626138656537633062663237353363393035653736 SERVER_NAME www.moveondenver.org REMOTE_ADDR 208.5.200.130 REMOTE_PORT 30612 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us,en;q=0.5 UNIQUE_ID 55mUHAoAAAYAAGAvDkwAAAAC SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip,deflate SERVER_ADDR 10.0.0.5 DOCUMENT_ROOT /usr/www/html/peacepage From gmorin at fullsix.com Wed Jan 5 14:29:03 2005 From: gmorin at fullsix.com (Guillaume Morin) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:29:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing attachment Message-ID: <41DBEB9F.3010604@fullsix.com> Hello, I would like to remove all attachments of the mails going to a specific mailing list. Browsing the doc and the faq, I have seen that we can block specific attachment, according to their MIME type, but I want to remove all of them. Can I do this with mailman ? Thank you, Guillaume Morin From marypritchard at tiscali.co.uk Wed Jan 5 17:16:04 2005 From: marypritchard at tiscali.co.uk (Mary Pritchard) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:16:04 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Owner Query Message-ID: <002c01c4f341$de010890$38ad2a50@maryy8ydpl43hg> Hi How can I resolve this? Can I increase number of recipients? <> Kindest regards Mary Pritchard HL7 UK Web Content Editor From fcohen at pushtotest.com Wed Jan 5 18:52:09 2005 From: fcohen at pushtotest.com (Frank Cohen) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:52:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject post by user problem Message-ID: <856952D4-5F42-11D9-8D59-000A95A56D96@pushtotest.com> Hi Mailman Users: I maintain an open-source tool called TestMaker. I use MailMan 2.1.4 with Postfix. Over the years I have received messages from new users complaining that after they subscribe to a list they get rejection notices from Mailman when they go to post to a list. What steps should I take to resolve these complaints? -Frank --- Frank Cohen, PushToTest, http://www.PushToTest.com, phone: 408 374 7426 Author of "Java Testing and Design: From Unit Tests to Automated Web Tests" from Prentice Hall, details at http://thebook.pushtotest.com From hmag at ozemail.com.au Wed Jan 5 21:28:49 2005 From: hmag at ozemail.com.au (Terry Allen) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:28:49 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting started In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Hello, >I used to have a list with mailman, but someone else set it up for me. When >I changed servers I no longer used mailman. I would like to get another list >set up through mailman again, since my current server is limiting my list >options. Please let me know how to get started with a new list using >mailman. > >Thank you, >Brenda > Hi again, It's really going to depend if your server has Mailman installed firstly - do you host your own website? If not, do you have access to configure applications on the server. We're a little limited in what you've given us thus far. If you can give some more details, we'll try to assist. -- Bye for now, Terry Allen ___________________________________________________________________ hEARd Postal Address: hEARd, 26B Glenning Rd, Glenning Valley, NSW 2261, Australia Internet - WWW: http://heard.com.au http://itavservices.com EMAIL: hmag at ozemail.com.au Phone: Australia - 02 4388 1400 / International - + 61 2 43881400 Mobile: Australia - 04 28881400 / International - 61 4 28881400 ----------------------------------------------- Non profit promotion for new music - since 1994 ----------------------------------------------- From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Jan 5 21:06:19 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:06:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing attachment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:16 AM -0800 2005-01-05, Mark Sapiro wrote: > multipart/mixed > multipart/alternative > message/rfc822 > text/plain That's good, but it does break some forms of PGP signed messages. On the lists I manage, we almost always use something like the following: multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain application/pgp-signature multipart/signed To this list, we should probably add message/rfc822, for the sake of completeness. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Jan 5 21:36:19 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:36:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not being delivered to lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:28 AM -0800 2005-01-05, Dunham, Kathy M wrote: > Dec 3 15:55:12 ccshp Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error. Mailman > expected the mail Dec 3 12:55:12 ccshp sendmail[22691]: iB3KtCj22690: > to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post Kdtest", > ctladdr= (1/0), delay=00:00: If you go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at and search for "group mismatch", you should get your answer. This general solution applies for most common problems with Mailman -- try searching the FAQ Wizard first, then follow the instructions at to search the archives of the mailman-users mailing list. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Jan 5 21:41:33 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:41:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still having problems (2.1.5 + Postfix) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:30 PM -0700 2005-01-05, Alex Young wrote: > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps > raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) > RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias > /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 127, Unknown error 127) To me, this looks like a postfix problem, not a problem with Mailman. However, the message from Mark Sapiro in the mailman-users mailing list, archived at may also be applicable to you. Other than that, I don't have any further advice for you. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jwt at onjapan.net Thu Jan 6 00:40:38 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:40:38 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Owner Query In-Reply-To: <002c01c4f341$de010890$38ad2a50@maryy8ydpl43hg> References: <002c01c4f341$de010890$38ad2a50@maryy8ydpl43hg> Message-ID: <342CAAEA-5F73-11D9-A76B-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Jan 6, 2005, at 01:16, Mary Pritchard wrote: > How can I resolve this? Can I increase number of recipients? > > < following mailing list posting: > > Reason: Too many recipients to the message>> You can increase (or remove entirely) the sanity check on the number of recipients allowed in a message also addressed to your list. Read the help for max_num_recipients on the Privacy options... Recipient filters... page. It may be better to encourage your users not to cc: and share so many other email addresses when posting to your list. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at onjapan.net Thu Jan 6 00:49:55 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:49:55 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman broken? In-Reply-To: <32b873ff050105103127a3e4df@mail.gmail.com> References: <32b873ff050105031868a1ed5e@mail.gmail.com> <32b873ff050105103127a3e4df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <80399E69-5F74-11D9-A76B-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Jan 6, 2005, at 03:31, Ben Edwards wrote: > This looks bad ;( > > [root at oak bin]# ./check_db --all Sorry, add the --verbose switch and watch for the object it fails on: ./check_db --all --verbose -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From funkytwig at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 01:10:46 2005 From: funkytwig at gmail.com (Ben Edwards) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:10:46 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman broken? In-Reply-To: <80399E69-5F74-11D9-A76B-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> References: <32b873ff050105031868a1ed5e@mail.gmail.com> <32b873ff050105103127a3e4df@mail.gmail.com> <80399E69-5F74-11D9-A76B-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> Message-ID: <32b873ff050105161074ed9044@mail.gmail.com> Have apsted output below. Further investigation has shown it is only the main list page that is broke. The lists are actualy running OK and the lists individual pages work. Ben [root at oak bin]# ./check_db --all --verbose List: blaafoo /usr/local/mailman/lists/blaafoo/config.pck: okay /usr/local/mailman/lists/blaafoo/config.pck.last: okay [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/blaafoo/config.db' [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/blaafoo/config.db.last' List: mailman /usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck: okay /usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck.last: okay [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.db' [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.db.last' List: bfm /usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm/config.pck: okay /usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm/config.pck.last: okay [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm/config.db' [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm/config.db.last' List: lacketvideo /usr/local/mailman/lists/lacketvideo/config.pck: okay /usr/local/mailman/lists/lacketvideo/config.pck.last: okay [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/lacketvideo/config.db' [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/lacketvideo/config.db.last' List: indigymedia /usr/local/mailman/lists/indigymedia/config.pck: okay /usr/local/mailman/lists/indigymedia/config.pck.last: okay [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/indigymedia/config.db' [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/indigymedia/config.db.last' List: stwerburghs /usr/local/mailman/lists/stwerburghs/config.pck: okay /usr/local/mailman/lists/stwerburghs/config.pck.last: okay [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/stwerburghs/config.db' [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/stwerburghs/config.db.last' List: trinity /usr/local/mailman/lists/trinity/config.pck: okay /usr/local/mailman/lists/trinity/config.pck.last: okay [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/trinity/config.db' [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/trinity/config.db.last' List: trinity-docs /usr/local/mailman/lists/trinity-docs/config.pck: okay /usr/local/mailman/lists/trinity-docs/config.pck.last: okay [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/trinity-docs/config.db' [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/trinity-docs/config.db.last' List: cultureshop /usr/local/mailman/lists/cultureshop/config.pck: okay /usr/local/mailman/lists/cultureshop/config.pck.last: okay [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/cultureshop/config.db' [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/cultureshop/config.db.last' List: span /usr/local/mailman/lists/span/config.pck: okay /usr/local/mailman/lists/span/config.pck.last: okay [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/span/config.db' [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/span/config.db.last' List: bristol_nuj /usr/local/mailman/lists/bristol_nuj/config.pck: okay /usr/local/mailman/lists/bristol_nuj/config.pck.last: okay [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/bristol_nuj/config.db' [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/bristol_nuj/config.db.last' List: bgp /usr/local/mailman/lists/bgp/config.pck: okay /usr/local/mailman/lists/bgp/config.pck.last: okay [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/bgp/config.db' [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/bgp/config.db.last' List: 3avc /usr/local/mailman/lists/3avc/config.pck: okay /usr/local/mailman/lists/3avc/config.pck.last: okay [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/3avc/config.db' [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/3avc/config.db.last' [root at oak bin]# On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:49:55 +0900, Jim Tittsler wrote: > On Jan 6, 2005, at 03:31, Ben Edwards wrote: > > > This looks bad ;( > > > > [root at oak bin]# ./check_db --all > > Sorry, add the --verbose switch and watch for the object it fails on: > ./check_db --all --verbose > > -- > Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 > Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ > Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html > > -- Ben Edwards - Poole, UK, England WARNING:This email contained partisan views - dont ever accuse me of using the veneer of objectivity If you have a problem emailing me use http://www.gurtlush.org.uk/profiles.php?uid=4 (email address this email is sent from may be defunct) From alexander.young at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 01:34:38 2005 From: alexander.young at gmail.com (Alex Young) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:34:38 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still having problems (2.1.5 + Postfix) In-Reply-To: <2E5404B4-5F74-11D9-A76B-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> References: <2E5404B4-5F74-11D9-A76B-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> Message-ID: The paths are all correct, and the files are owned by the appropriate groups. I've read the readme files and installation notes. I'm not sure what the issue is, but I'm relatively sure it's not cosmetic. Thanks for the suggestion though - I'll let everyone know when I get it ironed out. -Alex On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:47:38 +0900, Jim Tittsler wrote: > > On Jan 6, 2005, at 04:30, Alex Young wrote: > > > RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias > > /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 127, Unknown error 127) > > Is that the correct path to your postalias command? > > Are the /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases and data/aliases.db files owned > my the mailman user and group? (Or more specifically, by the group you > specified as the mail-gid when building Mailman.) > > More details are in the Mailman README.POSTFIX documentation. > > -- > Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 > Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ > Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html > > From msapiro at value.net Thu Jan 6 02:20:46 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:20:46 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject post by user problem In-Reply-To: <856952D4-5F42-11D9-8D59-000A95A56D96@pushtotest.com> Message-ID: Frank Cohen wrote: >Hi Mailman Users: I maintain an open-source tool called TestMaker. I >use MailMan 2.1.4 with Postfix. Over the years I have received messages >from new users complaining that after they subscribe to a list they get >rejection notices from Mailman when they go to post to a list. What >steps should I take to resolve these complaints? First get a copy of the reject notice and see what the reject reason is. Lots of things can do this. For example: default_member_moderation is Yes and member_moderation_action is Reject. membership is validated on envelope sender (USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = Yes in mm_cfg.py) and the envelope sender is not equal to the subscribed address. Other possibilities too. Too many to guess without at least knowing the reject reason. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Jan 6 05:40:30 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:40:30 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] For mailman In-Reply-To: <001e01c4f2fa$2e330d60$7900a8c0@mirceavideo> Message-ID: Mircea Boldis wrote: > >I have a question, how can I list all members from my mailing list to see all of them on a single page ? Or is that possible to export this list to an external file ? > If you set the list's admin_member_chunksize attribute to a number greater than the total number of list members, the Membership Management...->Membership List page will show them all on one page. You need to use bin/withlist to set this. There is also the http://www.example.com/mailman/roster/ page which shows all but "hidden" members on one page. The prefered way to get a total membership list is the bin/list_members command line tool. If you don't have command line access to your mailman installation, see http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#throughtheweb -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Jan 6 05:44:27 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:44:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List export In-Reply-To: <13c601c4f2e9$0a5d6090$b0dd28d8@john> Message-ID: MLMPROS wrote: >Is there a way to export my list to be used on another website? If you mean a list of members, see http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-January/041714.html (just posted). If you mean something else, please be more specific as to what you're trying to accomplish. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mailman at lists.rupa.com Thu Jan 6 07:27:48 2005 From: mailman at lists.rupa.com (Rupa Schomaker (lists)) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:27:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailpasswds fails to run to completion Message-ID: <41DCDA64.3090405@lists.rupa.com> Debian version 2.1-5 + htdig patches. (when I have time to apply the htdig patches to the latest I'll do so -- would be nice if htdig patches were integrated!) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds", line 216, in ? main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds", line 143, in main password = mlist.getMemberPassword(member) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 102, in getMemberPassword raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: user at hotmail.com Suggestions? -- -Rupa From chrissyboy2000 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 12:30:39 2005 From: chrissyboy2000 at hotmail.com (Chris Said) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:30:39 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tracking using Mailman Message-ID: Hi, I'm thinking of using Mailman to manage an email list but I need a additional feature that isn't available as standard. I will be using the system to send out a weekly email with information and some links to people who have joined the list. However, I need to be able to track how many people click through on the links and I need the process of setting up these tracking links to be pretty quick and easy. I suspect I will need to use a commercial option for this and of course don't mind paying for it but this really is the only extra functionality I need and the only options I have been able to find have so many other features and are hugely expensive. Some small app that bolts on to Mailman would be perfect if it exists! I was wondering if anyone here has any experience of a system that can do this that they could recommend? Many thanks for any suggestions you can make. Kind regards, Chris Said From kabads at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 13:07:16 2005 From: kabads at gmail.com (Adam Cripps) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:07:16 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tracking using Mailman In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:30:39 +0000, Chris Said wrote: > Hi, > > I'm thinking of using Mailman to manage an email list but I need a > additional feature that isn't available as standard. I will be using the > system to send out a weekly email with information and some links to people > who have joined the list. However, I need to be able to track how many > people click through on the links and I need the process of setting up these > tracking links to be pretty quick and easy. I suspect I will need to use a > commercial option for this and of course don't mind paying for it but this > really is the only extra functionality I need and the only options I have > been able to find have so many other features and are hugely expensive. Some > small app that bolts on to Mailman would be perfect if it exists! I was > wondering if anyone here has any experience of a system that can do this > that they could recommend? > > Many thanks for any suggestions you can make. > > Kind regards, > > Chris Said I think it would be difficult to monitor the clicks within the mail client, and so if I were you I would focus on monitoring the servers that you link to (assuming that you have access to those servers). If the mail client is 3rd party and the web servers are 3rd party, then I'm guessing that you're not going to find this easy. Adam -- http://www.monkeez.org GPG key: 7111B833 From mike at thompsonmike.co.uk Thu Jan 6 14:30:14 2005 From: mike at thompsonmike.co.uk (Michael Thompson) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:30:14 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error when creating lists on the Web interface Message-ID: <41DD3D66.9060801@thompsonmike.co.uk> When I try to create a new list using the Web interface, i get the following nasty looking error screen in the browser Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 187, in process_request mlist.Create(listname, owner, pw, langs, emailhost) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 457, in Create self.InitVars(name, admin, crypted_password) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 372, in InitVars baseclass.InitVars(self) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 95, in InitVars os.mkdir(self.archive_dir()+'.mbox', 02775) OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/announce.mbox' Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.3.4 (#1, Oct 27 2004, 02:38:58) [GCC 3.3.4 20040623 (Gentoo Hardened Linux 3.3.4-r1, ssp-3.3.2-2, pie-8.7.6)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_COOKIE phpbb2mysql_data=a%3A2%3A%7Bs%3A11%3A%22autologinid%22%3Bs%3A0%3A%22%22%3Bs%3A6%3A%22userid%22%3Bs%3A1%3A%222%22%3B%7D; LastVisit=1105015650; evo_style=Variation; theme=XSilver; geeklog=2; password=783504edcb122df28a56e94b32f778f1 SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache Server at www.thompsonmike.co.uk Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300 SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING CONTENT_LENGTH 140 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041110 Firefox/1.0 HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive HTTP_REFERER http://www.thompsonmike.co.uk/mailman/create SERVER_NAME www.thompsonmike.co.uk REMOTE_ADDR 192.168.1.14 SERVER_PORT 80 SERVER_ADDR 192.168.1.1 DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/localhost/htdocs PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create SERVER_ADMIN webmaster at thompsonmike.co.uk HTTP_HOST www.thompsonmike.co.uk REQUEST_URI /mailman/create HTTP_ACCEPT text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 REMOTE_PORT 1306 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-gb,en;q=0.5 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip,deflate UNIQUE_ID @z7PxX8AAAEAABGKR1QAAAAB Is this a simple as changing the permissions of the directory it is complaing about, or something else? The permissions of /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ is: root at polaris / # ls -all /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ total 16 drwxr-x--x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 6 10:08 . drwxrwsr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 6 10:06 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 Jan 6 10:06 .keep drwxrwxr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 6 10:11 mailman drwxrwxr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 6 10:11 mailman.mbox Every thing else in the web interface is fine, all works nicly. I can create a list by : bin/newlist as the mailman user, it is purly the web interface. Anyone got any ideas to help out a clueless newbie? Many Thanks for your time!! Mike.... From acrosman at afsc.org Wed Jan 5 23:35:31 2005 From: acrosman at afsc.org (Aaron Crosman) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:35:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spanish language version Message-ID: I'm having a problem customizing the welcome message for a Spanish language list we are about to start on our server. This is an announcement-style list so I need to replace the standard message (so there are no posting instructions or password references). I have the message in the right spot, but when mailman sends the message the accented characters look like gibberish to the recipient. I thought it might be a problem with the client (Outlook in all test cases so far), but the messages written by the system do not have the same problem. Is there something I need to do to make sure the email gets encoded right (other then putting it in an es directory instead of en)? Thanks for any guidence Aaron From funkytwig at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 17:04:06 2005 From: funkytwig at gmail.com (Ben Edwards) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:04:06 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman broken? In-Reply-To: <32b873ff050105161074ed9044@mail.gmail.com> References: <32b873ff050105031868a1ed5e@mail.gmail.com> <32b873ff050105103127a3e4df@mail.gmail.com> <80399E69-5F74-11D9-A76B-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> <32b873ff050105161074ed9044@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32b873ff05010608047e822753@mail.gmail.com> Added a new list and it must of created the main list page cos its OK now. Thanks for your help. Ben On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:10:46 +0000, Ben Edwards wrote: > Have apsted output below. Further investigation has shown it is only > the main list page that is broke. The lists are actualy running OK > and the lists individual pages work. > > Ben > > [root at oak bin]# ./check_db --all --verbose > List: blaafoo > /usr/local/mailman/lists/blaafoo/config.pck: okay > /usr/local/mailman/lists/blaafoo/config.pck.last: okay > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/blaafoo/config.db' > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/blaafoo/config.db.last' > List: mailman > /usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck: okay > /usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck.last: okay > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.db' > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.db.last' > List: bfm > /usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm/config.pck: okay > /usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm/config.pck.last: okay > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm/config.db' > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/bfm/config.db.last' > List: lacketvideo > /usr/local/mailman/lists/lacketvideo/config.pck: okay > /usr/local/mailman/lists/lacketvideo/config.pck.last: okay > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/lacketvideo/config.db' > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/lacketvideo/config.db.last' > List: indigymedia > /usr/local/mailman/lists/indigymedia/config.pck: okay > /usr/local/mailman/lists/indigymedia/config.pck.last: okay > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/indigymedia/config.db' > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/indigymedia/config.db.last' > List: stwerburghs > /usr/local/mailman/lists/stwerburghs/config.pck: okay > /usr/local/mailman/lists/stwerburghs/config.pck.last: okay > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/stwerburghs/config.db' > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/stwerburghs/config.db.last' > List: trinity > /usr/local/mailman/lists/trinity/config.pck: okay > /usr/local/mailman/lists/trinity/config.pck.last: okay > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/trinity/config.db' > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/trinity/config.db.last' > List: trinity-docs > /usr/local/mailman/lists/trinity-docs/config.pck: okay > /usr/local/mailman/lists/trinity-docs/config.pck.last: okay > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/trinity-docs/config.db' > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/trinity-docs/config.db.last' > List: cultureshop > /usr/local/mailman/lists/cultureshop/config.pck: okay > /usr/local/mailman/lists/cultureshop/config.pck.last: okay > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/cultureshop/config.db' > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/cultureshop/config.db.last' > List: span > /usr/local/mailman/lists/span/config.pck: okay > /usr/local/mailman/lists/span/config.pck.last: okay > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/span/config.db' > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/span/config.db.last' > List: bristol_nuj > /usr/local/mailman/lists/bristol_nuj/config.pck: okay > /usr/local/mailman/lists/bristol_nuj/config.pck.last: okay > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/bristol_nuj/config.db' > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/bristol_nuj/config.db.last' > List: bgp > /usr/local/mailman/lists/bgp/config.pck: okay > /usr/local/mailman/lists/bgp/config.pck.last: okay > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/bgp/config.db' > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/bgp/config.db.last' > List: 3avc > /usr/local/mailman/lists/3avc/config.pck: okay > /usr/local/mailman/lists/3avc/config.pck.last: okay > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/3avc/config.db' > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/3avc/config.db.last' > [root at oak bin]# > > > On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:49:55 +0900, Jim Tittsler wrote: > > On Jan 6, 2005, at 03:31, Ben Edwards wrote: > > > > > This looks bad ;( > > > > > > [root at oak bin]# ./check_db --all > > > > Sorry, add the --verbose switch and watch for the object it fails on: > > ./check_db --all --verbose > > > > -- > > Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 > > Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ > > Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html > > > > > > -- > Ben Edwards - Poole, UK, England > WARNING:This email contained partisan views - dont ever accuse me of > using the veneer of objectivity > If you have a problem emailing me use > http://www.gurtlush.org.uk/profiles.php?uid=4 > (email address this email is sent from may be defunct) > -- Ben Edwards - Poole, UK, England WARNING:This email contained partisan views - dont ever accuse me of using the veneer of objectivity If you have a problem emailing me use http://www.gurtlush.org.uk/profiles.php?uid=4 (email address this email is sent from may be defunct) From asilcott at nksd.wednet.edu Thu Jan 6 17:18:18 2005 From: asilcott at nksd.wednet.edu (Alan Silcott) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:18:18 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp-failure log: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table Message-ID: <000501c4f40b$55cea480$0fba9d98@root.nksd.wednet.edu> I am getting the following error in my smtp-failure log: Jan 06 08:00:25 2005 (9754) delivery to "alan silcott" at nksd.wednet.edu failed with code 450: : Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table The reason is I sent a subscribe email to the list with a header like: "Alan Silcott, Network Admin" <1234 at hotmail.com>. This format normally works to subscribe the user and associate a name, but the comma in the title throws things off. Anyway, I have been getting this error message for a couple days now and I am wondering if it will eventually go away, or if I can tell mailman to stop trying to send to that address. Thanks, Alan From jn at pointcarbon.com Thu Jan 6 17:36:40 2005 From: jn at pointcarbon.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jon_Ole_N=F8dtvedt?=) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:36:40 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change the default text for the confirm subscribe message. Message-ID: <41DD6918.1020705@pointcarbon.com> Hello Is it possible to change the text in the default confirm subscribe message sent from Mailman? If so, how is this accomplished? Best regards, Jon Ole N?dtvedt From dave at umiacs.umd.edu Thu Jan 6 18:28:35 2005 From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:28:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual host Message-ID: We have a mailman 2.1.5 server that's on a host we cname to listserver. When mail goes to mailman, it comes back exposing the actual hostname in the URL in the mail message rather than the cname. As per faq 4.29, I've added to mm_cfg.py something like DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listserver.mydomain.ru' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'listserver.mydomain.ru' VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) and restarted the qrunners Yet the name still bleeds thru in the advertised URL. Is there something else that needs to be done? TIA =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David Stern University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies From ACrosman at afsc.org Thu Jan 6 20:06:12 2005 From: ACrosman at afsc.org (Aaron Crosman) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:06:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change the default text for the confirm subscribemessage. Message-ID: Yes. I believe all the email messages can be changed. They are stored in the mailman/templates directory to start. Changes there effect every list on the server. If you want to over ride the message for 1 list you can add a file in /var/lib/mailmain/LISTNAME/en (for English) with the same name as the message you wish to replace. I know: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp Touches on this issue, there may be other things in the FAQ as well. My one word of warning I'm having trouble with non-English texts getting mangled along the way. I'm not sure what I'm missing there yet. Aaron > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Jon > Ole N?dtvedt > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:37 AM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change the default text for the > confirm subscribemessage. > > Hello > > Is it possible to change the text in the default confirm > subscribe message sent from Mailman? If so, how is this accomplished? > > Best regards, > Jon Ole N?dtvedt > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > From alexander.young at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 20:12:04 2005 From: alexander.young at gmail.com (Alex Young) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:12:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderation hold not working Message-ID: I have a mailman installation that is processing all messages properly excepting for held messages. On any list that I require message moderation for subscribed users, the messages go no where. The users also get no reply even though Edit member_moderation_notice is populated. Non-subscriber messages are set to email an admin as well, but that also is not working. Subscriptions that require approval are working as expected with email announcements being send to moderators and administrators. I have looked in /var/log/mailman for errors, but none of the files has been recently modified. I also checked my mail queue and verified that the messages are being delivered to mailman. From matthewb at saepio.com Thu Jan 6 21:02:16 2005 From: matthewb at saepio.com (Matthew Boeckman) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:02:16 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] population of a new list from old content? Message-ID: <41DD9948.2030907@saepio.com> Hello list! We've had a 5 year old email alias used internally by our tech staff that I am turning into a Mailman list. I have the archives of the alias as mbox (or just about anything else)... is there a way to import those old emails to Mailman such that they are archivable/searchable within Mailman? TIA! -- Matthew Boeckman (816) 777-2160 Manager - Systems Integration Saepio Technologies From rlanders at phenominteractive.com Thu Jan 6 16:39:02 2005 From: rlanders at phenominteractive.com (Ryan Landers) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:39:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question Message-ID: <003801c4f405$d9b5f150$0201a8c0@phenom> I'm wanting to set up a mailing list for a monthly newsletter. I was curious to find out if I can externally link to the mailman mailing lists to send out my HTML emails. I would be using a backend ASP based system to create the email and then I would need to access the mailing list if possible. Let me know if this makes sense or not. From daleg at elemental.org Thu Jan 6 22:23:01 2005 From: daleg at elemental.org (Dale Ghent) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:23:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication, portal integration, etc. Message-ID: <24BB2B12-6029-11D9-A6B5-000393528938@elemental.org> Hey all, I hope your holidays went well. I have a few questions that I hope some one can answer or point me in the correct direction. I'm a long time admin of Mailman installations, but I was just recently given a project that would appear to stretch what I know already about its internals. I work for a university, and we run about 1600 mailing lists on a server using *groan* CREN ListProc. Obviously, we're looking to get away from that to something modern and waaaay more user serviceable. To take advantage of a migration to something modern and easier to manage, such as Mailman, I would like to fully integrate Mailman into our university's web portal. This portal, which is single sign-on, offers a slew of services for students and staff, and I would like for these people to also be able to maintain their university mailing list subscriptions through it. Ie, after they're signed on and authenticated using our webauth system, be able to view which lists they are members/owners of, be able to change their subscription options, unsub, etc. I would also like to maintain this functionality for our non-university list memebers, ergo, present them with the "traditional" mailman user interface. So the questions: 1) Authentication. How could one make a web-based single sign on system work side-by-side with Mailman's standard authentication? I've read about Mailman 2.1.x having module capabilities, but I've looked around and found no docs which describe this or the API. 2) Does anyone know of an organization which has already tackled something like this? TIA /dale From jwblist at olympus.net Fri Jan 7 01:02:29 2005 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W. Baxter) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:02:29 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp-failure log: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table In-Reply-To: <000501c4f40b$55cea480$0fba9d98@root.nksd.wednet.edu> Message-ID: On 1/6/2005 8:18, "Alan Silcott" wrote: > Jan 06 08:00:25 2005 (9754) delivery to "alan silcott" at nksd.wednet.edu > failed with code 450: : Recipient address > rejected: User unknown in local recipient table > > > > The reason is I sent a subscribe email to the list with a header like: "Alan > Silcott, Network Admin" <1234 at hotmail.com>. This format normally works > to subscribe the user and associate a name, but the comma in the title > throws things off. Since "Alan Silcott, Network Admin" <1234 at hotmail.com> Is a valid email address per RFC (when the obscured address is fixed up), the fact that the "," inside the quoted information causes problems is a mailman error. Your MTA should give up and bounce the message after the length of time in its configuration. Or, if you have access and knowledge, you can delete the message from the MTA's queue...how varies a lot by MTA. One might wonder why North Kitsap's server fails a non-existent user using a temporary failure code (450 rather than 550). That causes servers around the world to retry for several days before giving up. --John Port Ludow, WA...not snowing or raining here yet. From msapiro at value.net Fri Jan 7 01:30:56 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:30:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual host In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote: >We have a mailman 2.1.5 server that's on a host we cname to listserver. >When mail goes to mailman, it comes back exposing the actual hostname >in the URL in the mail message rather than the cname. As per faq 4.29, >I've added to mm_cfg.py something like > >DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listserver.mydomain.ru' >DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'listserver.mydomain.ru' >VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() >add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > >and restarted the qrunners > > >Yet the name still bleeds thru in the advertised URL. Is there something >else that needs to be done? Did you run fix_url.py as mentioned in FAQ 4.29 under "Existing versus new lists"? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jwt at onjapan.net Fri Jan 7 01:41:07 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:41:07 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual host In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 7, 2005, at 02:28, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote: > in the URL in the mail message rather than the cname. As per faq 4.29, > I've added to mm_cfg.py something like > > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listserver.mydomain.ru' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'listserver.mydomain.ru' [...] > Yet the name still bleeds thru in the advertised URL. Is there > something > else that needs to be done? After changing the URL, did you use the bin/fix_url.py script (run it with no args to learn how to use it with 'withlist') to update existing lists? -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From msapiro at value.net Fri Jan 7 01:45:09 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:45:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change the default text for the confirm subscribemessage. In-Reply-To: <41DD6918.1020705@pointcarbon.com> Message-ID: Jon Ole N?dtvedt wrote: > >Is it possible to change the text in the default confirm subscribe >message sent from Mailman? If so, how is this accomplished? See >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py article 4.48. The name of the template for the "confirm your subscription" message is verify.txt; the list welcome message is subscribeack.txt. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jwt at onjapan.net Fri Jan 7 01:47:51 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:47:51 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] population of a new list from old content? In-Reply-To: <41DD9948.2030907@saepio.com> References: <41DD9948.2030907@saepio.com> Message-ID: On Jan 7, 2005, at 05:02, Matthew Boeckman wrote: > We've had a 5 year old email alias used internally by our tech staff > that I am turning into a Mailman list. I have the archives of the > alias as mbox (or just about anything else)... is there a way to > import those old emails to Mailman such that they are > archivable/searchable within Mailman? The bin/arch tool (normally used with the --wipe argument) can take ~mailman/archives/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox (an mbox file) and (re)make pipermail archives. If you prepend the old mbox to the one the new list has created, and do 'bin/arch --wipe mylist' you should get a rebuilt set of archives for 'mylist'. (Note that by default, Mailman's Pipermail archiver does not include a search facility, although many people integrate one into their archive schemes.) -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From msapiro at value.net Fri Jan 7 02:07:01 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:07:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error when creating lists on the Web interface In-Reply-To: <41DD3D66.9060801@thompsonmike.co.uk> Message-ID: Michael Thompson wrote: >When I try to create a new list using the Web interface, i get the >following nasty looking error screen in the browser > >Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 > >We're sorry, we hit a bug! > >OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: >'/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/announce.mbox' > > >Is this a simple as changing the permissions of the directory it is >complaing about, or something else? > >The permissions of /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ is: > >root at polaris / # ls -all /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ >total 16 >drwxr-x--x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 6 10:08 . I think this is the problem. The archives/private/ directory should be group writable, i.e. drwxrwx--x. On my system it also has setgid, i.e. drwxrws--x, but I'm not sure that's necessary. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From kalin at el.net Fri Jan 7 02:31:33 2005 From: kalin at el.net (kalin mintchev) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:31:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members slow, very slow.. Message-ID: <63703.68.165.89.73.1105061493.squirrel@68.165.89.73> hi all... i have a mailman version 2.0.13 running on an older box - rh 7.1 and i had to replace the members of a list. so i removed all. this took about 1 1/2 hours to finish and now i'm importing the members back in - they are about 10 000. it has been going on for about 3 hours. this is how i executed the command: ..../add_members -n addss.txt -c n -w n listname why add_members is so slow? thanks.... -- From kalin at el.net Fri Jan 7 03:52:12 2005 From: kalin at el.net (kalin mintchev) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:52:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members slow, very slow.. In-Reply-To: <63703.68.165.89.73.1105061493.squirrel@68.165.89.73> References: <63703.68.165.89.73.1105061493.squirrel@68.165.89.73> Message-ID: <63951.68.165.89.73.1105066332.squirrel@68.165.89.73> uhhh... it's going close to 5 1/2 hours now! i need this list to be operational today! what's the big deal with reading 10000 lines of email addresses. i would have read them by now a few dozen times. what's up with add_members?!? > hi all... > > i have a mailman version 2.0.13 running on an older box - rh 7.1 and i had > to replace the members of a list. so i removed all. this took about 1 1/2 > hours to finish and now i'm importing the members back in - they are about > 10 000. it has been going on for about 3 hours. > > > this is how i executed the command: > ..../add_members -n addss.txt -c n -w n listname > > why add_members is so slow? > > > thanks.... > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > -- From kalin at el.net Fri Jan 7 04:54:02 2005 From: kalin at el.net (kalin mintchev) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:54:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members slow, very slow.. In-Reply-To: <63951.68.165.89.73.1105066332.squirrel@68.165.89.73> References: <63703.68.165.89.73.1105061493.squirrel@68.165.89.73> <63951.68.165.89.73.1105066332.squirrel@68.165.89.73> Message-ID: <64122.68.165.89.73.1105070042.squirrel@68.165.89.73> 7 hours now and counting... am i the only one on this list?! > uhhh... it's going close to 5 1/2 hours now! i need this list to be > operational today! what's the big deal with reading 10000 lines of email > addresses. i would have read them by now a few dozen times. > what's up with add_members?!? > >> hi all... >> >> i have a mailman version 2.0.13 running on an older box - rh 7.1 and i >> had >> to replace the members of a list. so i removed all. this took about 1 >> 1/2 >> hours to finish and now i'm importing the members back in - they are >> about >> 10 000. it has been going on for about 3 hours. >> >> >> this is how i executed the command: >> ..../add_members -n addss.txt -c n -w n listname >> >> why add_members is so slow? >> >> >> thanks.... >> -- >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > -- From kfogel at floss.red-bean.com Fri Jan 7 06:12:38 2005 From: kfogel at floss.red-bean.com (Karl Fogel) Date: 06 Jan 2005 23:12:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members slow, very slow.. In-Reply-To: <64122.68.165.89.73.1105070042.squirrel@68.165.89.73> References: <63703.68.165.89.73.1105061493.squirrel@68.165.89.73> <63951.68.165.89.73.1105066332.squirrel@68.165.89.73> <64122.68.165.89.73.1105070042.squirrel@68.165.89.73> Message-ID: <87k6qp3jqx.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> "kalin mintchev" writes: > 7 hours now and counting... am i the only one on this list?! No, I think it just means no on has an answer for you. Have you tried putting some debugging prints into the code or anything? -Karl > > uhhh... it's going close to 5 1/2 hours now! i need this list to be > > operational today! what's the big deal with reading 10000 lines of email > > addresses. i would have read them by now a few dozen times. > > what's up with add_members?!? > > > >> hi all... > >> > >> i have a mailman version 2.0.13 running on an older box - rh 7.1 and i > >> had > >> to replace the members of a list. so i removed all. this took about 1 > >> 1/2 > >> hours to finish and now i'm importing the members back in - they are > >> about > >> 10 000. it has been going on for about 3 hours. > >> > >> > >> this is how i executed the command: > >> ..../add_members -n addss.txt -c n -w n listname > >> > >> why add_members is so slow? > >> > >> > >> thanks.... > >> -- > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------ > >> Mailman-Users mailing list > >> Mailman-Users at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >> Searchable Archives: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >> > > > > > > -- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From cschen at asiaa.sinica.edu.tw Fri Jan 7 11:08:34 2005 From: cschen at asiaa.sinica.edu.tw (Joshua, C.S. Chen) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:08:34 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] lost attachment/mime part on archive Message-ID: <41DE5FA2.9060104@asiaa.sinica.edu.tw> Hi all, I recently enabled mailman for my institute's helpdesk, so that we can view the archive for tracking. It works fine for us. I'm using mailman 2.1.5 + apache 2.0 (httpd 2.0.52 on fedora core 3). Now I found that, a user requested for help, sending to cchelp@(mydomain). the list members get the mail correctly. But when we try to view the user's post at the archive page, all it's mime parts were scrubbed. The archived message looks like this [cchelp] Re: Personal database Qestion Vicky Liao jhliao at (mydomain) Fri Jan 7 10:20:15 CST 2005 * Previous message: [cchelp] Re: old notebooks * Next message: [cchelp] The cchelp Archives * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://(mydomain)/pipermail/cchelp/attachments/20050107/3002a633/leavelist-0001.htm * Previous message: [cchelp] Re: old notebooks * Next message: [cchelp] The cchelp Archives * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] And when I click on the individual attchment/mime part, I saw html source code instead of web pages/documents. My question is: 1, is it possible that the mime/parts be with the archived message itself and not scrubbed? 2, if the parts need to be linked elsewhere, how can I view it's original state. Thanks in advance Joshua C.S. Chen From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Fri Jan 7 12:13:11 2005 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 20:13:11 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] lost attachment/mime part on archive In-Reply-To: <41DE5FA2.9060104@asiaa.sinica.edu.tw> References: <41DE5FA2.9060104@asiaa.sinica.edu.tw> Message-ID: <41DE6EC7.60907@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, > 1, is it possible that the mime/parts be with the archived message > itself and not scrubbed? Pipermail archiver cannot treat attachments so the message must be scrubbed before being passed to the archiver. > 2, if the parts need to be linked elsewhere, how can I view it's > original state. You can set ARCHIVE_HTML_SANITIZER = 3 in mm_cfg.py. Read Defaults.py for detail. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From yd at media-c.de Fri Jan 7 14:24:44 2005 From: yd at media-c.de (Yassen Damyanov) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:24:44 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Identical list names on milti-virtual-domains host Message-ID: <200501071524.44307.yd@media-c.de> Hi, list! A multi-virtual-domain host running mailman/postfix/apache2. The bin/newlist script tells me that I can specify the web host that is associated with the list: "You can specify the domain to create your new list in by spelling the listname like so: mylist at www.mydom.ain" So far so good... but doing so does not seem to let mailman distinguish between mylist at www.mydom.ain and mylist at www.myother.domain ... Is there a way to have two lists with idential names and different domains? Your help would be greatly appreciated! Yassen -- Yassen Damyanov Troyer Information Systems email: yd at troyer.co.at ICQ# : 169382108 web : www.troyer-is.com From kabads at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 15:03:35 2005 From: kabads at gmail.com (Adam Cripps) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:03:35 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating from one server to another Message-ID: We are in the process of migrating our old mailman server to another piece of hardware. Currently the new hardware is a Suse server running sendmail, with a mailman package installed (I'm not sure which version). The old server is running Mailman 2.1.4. The Suse server has apache installed and working sucessfully along with sendmail sending and receiving mail. The next step is Mailman. What is the best plan of action for migrating the existing lists from one server to another? Would it be to copy over the files which control each list in to the software that is already installed on the Suse server? Or alternatively, would it be better to copy across the software lock, stock and barrel? Any advice would be greatfully appreciated. TIA Adam -- GPG key: 7111B833 From killesreiter at physik.uni-freiburg.de Fri Jan 7 15:24:11 2005 From: killesreiter at physik.uni-freiburg.de (Gerhard Killesreiter) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:24:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating from one server to another In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Adam Cripps wrote: > We are in the process of migrating our old mailman server to another > piece of hardware. Currently the new hardware is a Suse server running > sendmail, with a mailman package installed (I'm not sure which > version). The old server is running Mailman 2.1.4. The Suse server has > apache installed and working sucessfully along with sendmail sending > and receiving mail. The next step is Mailman. > > What is the best plan of action for migrating the existing lists from > one server to another? Would it be to copy over the files which > control each list in to the software that is already installed on the > Suse server? That is what I've done recently. Make sure that the mailman installations are compatible and test the new setup before copying lists across. Also make sure Apache works as expected etc. Cheers, Gerhard From msapiro at value.net Fri Jan 7 15:56:56 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 06:56:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Identical list names on milti-virtual-domains host In-Reply-To: <200501071524.44307.yd@media-c.de> Message-ID: Yassen Damyanov wrote: > >Is there a way to have two lists with idential names and different >domains? See >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py article 4.47. Note that the FAQ article refers to a patch on sourceforge that may help. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From yd at media-c.de Fri Jan 7 16:27:28 2005 From: yd at media-c.de (Yassen Damyanov) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:27:28 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Identical list names on milti-virtual-domains host In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200501071727.28180.yd@media-c.de> On Friday 07 January 2005 16:56, you wrote: Mark, thanks so much! From the Mailman FAQ Section 4.47: "The modified version of Mailman, shipped by Cpanel as part of their commercial hosting product for ISPs, adopts a different, list-name-munging solution to the problem but Cpanel have not made the modified source code generally available in the public domain." Isn't this a violation of the GPL-2 or do I miss something? Yassen > Yassen Damyanov wrote: > > > >Is there a way to have two lists with idential names and different > >domains? > > See > >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > article 4.47. > > Note that the FAQ article refers to a patch on sourceforge that may > help. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > From kabads at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 18:36:52 2005 From: kabads at gmail.com (Adam Cripps) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:36:52 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating from one server to another In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:24:11 +0100, Gerhard Killesreiter wrote: > > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Adam Cripps wrote: > > > We are in the process of migrating our old mailman server to another > > piece of hardware. Currently the new hardware is a Suse server running > > sendmail, with a mailman package installed (I'm not sure which > > version). The old server is running Mailman 2.1.4. The Suse server has > > apache installed and working sucessfully along with sendmail sending > > and receiving mail. The next step is Mailman. > > > > What is the best plan of action for migrating the existing lists from > > one server to another? Would it be to copy over the files which > > control each list in to the software that is already installed on the > > Suse server? > > That is what I've done recently. Make sure that the mailman installations > are compatible and test the new setup before copying lists across. Also > make sure Apache works as expected etc. > > Cheers, > Gerhard > Which files will need to look transport if I leave Suse's standard install on the target machine? Is there any documentation out there specifying them? TIA Adam -- http://www.monkeez.org GPG key: 7111B833 From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Jan 7 18:48:11 2005 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:48:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Identical list names on milti-virtual-domains host In-Reply-To: <200501071727.28180.yd@media-c.de> References: <200501071727.28180.yd@media-c.de> Message-ID: <20050107174811.GB3326@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yassen Damyanov wrote: > From the Mailman FAQ Section 4.47: > > "The modified version of Mailman, shipped by Cpanel as part of their > commercial hosting product for ISPs, adopts a different, > list-name-munging solution to the problem but Cpanel have not made > the modified source code generally available in the public domain." > > Isn't this a violation of the GPL-2 or do I miss something? I think it's rather shady, for sure. I submitted some questions to the folks at cPanel asking for the modifications and it took a long while before I finally got a link where the changes were posted: http://koston.org/mailman-patches/ I don't know how current the patch there is, it says it's for 2.1.3, though I know from working with some people that have cPanel installed on their servers that cPanel has mailman 2.1.5 included at this point. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ====================================================================== Don't take life seriously, you'll never get out alive. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iG0EARECAC0FAkHey1omGGh0dHA6Ly93d3cucG9ib3guY29tL350bXovcGdwL3Rt ei5hc2MACgkQuv+09NZUB1re2gCgr6Hr9he2Malkv9kXgUoJngeSxioAn3isuheK Br0F0PPAlPC3w+vqRNfc =niJt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chris.a.adams at state.or.us Fri Jan 7 20:11:16 2005 From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:11:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] pre-approve message? Message-ID: <41DEDED4.7060300@state.or.us> Is there a way for a list owner to pre-approve a message to a list that has the moderation bit set on for all subscribers? I remember that in Majordomo, one could send the message with a line like Approve: as the first line of the message and it would override any security settings for the list. -- Christopher Adams From sysmda at zim.gsu.edu Fri Jan 7 20:14:10 2005 From: sysmda at zim.gsu.edu (Mike Alberghini) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:14:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to fix ASCII encoding error in admindb? Message-ID: <20050107191410.GA20916@zim.gsu.edu> I'm fighting with a bad message in one of my lists. I click on "Tend to pending moderator requests" on the admin page and get the "We hit a bug!" page that dumps with UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) I know i've got a bad char somewhere in a held message, but when I move all the heldmesg-* files for that list out of /mailman/data I still hit the problem! What am I missing? Where else is the data stored and how can i nuke so the list will work again? -- Michael Alberghini Software Systems Engineer Georgia State University mike at gsu.edu From msapiro at value.net Fri Jan 7 20:28:08 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:28:08 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] pre-approve message? In-Reply-To: <41DEDED4.7060300@state.or.us> Message-ID: Christopher Adams wrote >Is there a way for a list owner to pre-approve a message to a list that >has the moderation bit set on for all subscribers? I remember that in >Majordomo, one could send the message with a line like Approve: > as the first line of the message and it would override >any security settings for the list. It works in Mailman too. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From kalin at el.net Sat Jan 8 00:44:45 2005 From: kalin at el.net (kalin mintchev) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:44:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members slow, very slow.. In-Reply-To: <87k6qp3jqx.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> References: <63703.68.165.89.73.1105061493.squirrel@68.165.89.73> <63951.68.165.89.73.1105066332.squirrel@68.165.89.73> <64122.68.165.89.73.1105070042.squirrel@68.165.89.73> <87k6qp3jqx.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> Message-ID: <65335.68.165.89.73.1105141485.squirrel@68.165.89.73> > "kalin mintchev" writes: >> 7 hours now and counting... am i the only one on this list?! > > No, I think it just means no on has an answer for you. > > Have you tried putting some debugging prints into the code or > anything? no.. but will it help turning subscribe/unsubscribe notification off? less mail to write to the queue, right? does mailman wait for the mail to be sent to continue deleting or entering addresses from/in the list?! thanks..... > > -Karl > >> > uhhh... it's going close to 5 1/2 hours now! i need this list to be >> > operational today! what's the big deal with reading 10000 lines of >> email >> > addresses. i would have read them by now a few dozen times. >> > what's up with add_members?!? >> > >> >> hi all... >> >> >> >> i have a mailman version 2.0.13 running on an older box - rh 7.1 and >> i >> >> had >> >> to replace the members of a list. so i removed all. this took about 1 >> >> 1/2 >> >> hours to finish and now i'm importing the members back in - they are >> >> about >> >> 10 000. it has been going on for about 3 hours. >> >> >> >> >> >> this is how i executed the command: >> >> ..../add_members -n addss.txt -c n -w n listname >> >> >> >> why add_members is so slow? >> >> >> >> >> >> thanks.... >> >> -- >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> >> Searchable Archives: >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------ >> > Mailman-Users mailing list >> > Mailman-Users at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> > Searchable Archives: >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> > >> >> >> -- >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > -- From davidp at purdue.id.au Sat Jan 8 00:44:12 2005 From: davidp at purdue.id.au (David Purdue) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 10:44:12 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] -1 request(s) waiting? Message-ID: <41DF1ECC.1090801@purdue.id.au> I am using mailman 2.1.5 on OpenBSD 3.6 sparc64. I am in process of migrating mailing lists to this machine from another, so the lists are all set up but are not currently handling mail. But I am getting a daily reminder from mailman on this machine (mailing list name changed): =-=-=-=-= Subject: -1 [List] moderator request(s) waiting From: [list]-bounces@[domain] To: [list]-owner@[domain] Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 08:00:03 +1100 X-BeenThere: [list]@[domain] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: "[List description.]" <[list].[domain]> X-List-Administrivia: yes Errors-To: [list]-bounces@[domain] The [List]@[domain] mailing list has -1 request(s) waiting for your consideration at: http://www.[domain]/mailman/admindb/[list] Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. =-=-=-=-= Why would there be -1 requests waiting, and where can I go to correct this? Many thanks, DavidP From kfogel at floss.red-bean.com Sat Jan 8 01:07:36 2005 From: kfogel at floss.red-bean.com (Karl Fogel) Date: 07 Jan 2005 18:07:36 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members slow, very slow.. In-Reply-To: <65335.68.165.89.73.1105141485.squirrel@68.165.89.73> References: <63703.68.165.89.73.1105061493.squirrel@68.165.89.73> <63951.68.165.89.73.1105066332.squirrel@68.165.89.73> <64122.68.165.89.73.1105070042.squirrel@68.165.89.73> <87k6qp3jqx.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <65335.68.165.89.73.1105141485.squirrel@68.165.89.73> Message-ID: <878y743hrr.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> "kalin mintchev" writes: > > "kalin mintchev" writes: > >> 7 hours now and counting... am i the only one on this list?! > > > > No, I think it just means no on has an answer for you. > > > > Have you tried putting some debugging prints into the code or > > anything? > > no.. but will it help turning subscribe/unsubscribe notification off? > less mail to write to the queue, right? > does mailman wait for the mail to be sent to continue deleting or entering > addresses from/in the list?! > > thanks..... I'm sorry, I don't know the answers. Sometimes when I've needed to debug Mailman, I've found it useful to put in custom logging statements. For example, in /usr/lib/mailman/scripts/bounces, I'll put statements like print >> sys.stderr, _('KFF: reached here: %(listname)s') Then I watch /var/lib/mailman/logs/bounces, to see which of my statements get printed, and with what data. It helps to know a little Python, but you don't need to know much. Note the line LogStdErr('error', 'bounces') at the top of the script. The first part says to log standard error, the second part says which logfile to use. Each script has a line like this near the top. Hope this helps you debug, -Karl > > > > -Karl > > > >> > uhhh... it's going close to 5 1/2 hours now! i need this list to be > >> > operational today! what's the big deal with reading 10000 lines of > >> email > >> > addresses. i would have read them by now a few dozen times. > >> > what's up with add_members?!? > >> > > >> >> hi all... > >> >> > >> >> i have a mailman version 2.0.13 running on an older box - rh 7.1 and > >> i > >> >> had > >> >> to replace the members of a list. so i removed all. this took about 1 > >> >> 1/2 > >> >> hours to finish and now i'm importing the members back in - they are > >> >> about > >> >> 10 000. it has been going on for about 3 hours. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> this is how i executed the command: > >> >> ..../add_members -n addss.txt -c n -w n listname > >> >> > >> >> why add_members is so slow? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> thanks.... > >> >> -- > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ > >> >> Mailman-Users mailing list > >> >> Mailman-Users at python.org > >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >> >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >> >> Searchable Archives: > >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------ > >> > Mailman-Users mailing list > >> > Mailman-Users at python.org > >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >> > Searchable Archives: > >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------ > >> Mailman-Users mailing list > >> Mailman-Users at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >> Searchable Archives: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > -- From msapiro at value.net Sat Jan 8 01:15:35 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:15:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] -1 request(s) waiting? In-Reply-To: <41DF1ECC.1090801@purdue.id.au> Message-ID: David Purdue wrote: > >But I am getting a daily reminder from mailman on this machine (mailing >list name changed): > >=-=-=-=-= >Subject: -1 [List] moderator request(s) waiting > >Why would there be -1 requests waiting, and where can I go to correct this? > See >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py article 3.38. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From kalin at el.net Sat Jan 8 01:46:44 2005 From: kalin at el.net (kalin mintchev) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:46:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members slow, very slow.. In-Reply-To: <878y743hrr.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> References: <63703.68.165.89.73.1105061493.squirrel@68.165.89.73> <63951.68.165.89.73.1105066332.squirrel@68.165.89.73> <64122.68.165.89.73.1105070042.squirrel@68.165.89.73> <87k6qp3jqx.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <65335.68.165.89.73.1105141485.squirrel@68.165.89.73> <878y743hrr.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> Message-ID: <65415.68.165.89.73.1105145204.squirrel@68.165.89.73> thanks Karl.. i think it was the subscribe/unsubscribe option. it was writing to many emails. now adding is quick.... thanks... > "kalin mintchev" writes: >> > "kalin mintchev" writes: >> >> 7 hours now and counting... am i the only one on this list?! >> > >> > No, I think it just means no on has an answer for you. >> > >> > Have you tried putting some debugging prints into the code or >> > anything? >> >> no.. but will it help turning subscribe/unsubscribe notification off? >> less mail to write to the queue, right? >> does mailman wait for the mail to be sent to continue deleting or >> entering >> addresses from/in the list?! >> >> thanks..... > > I'm sorry, I don't know the answers. > > Sometimes when I've needed to debug Mailman, I've found it useful to > put in custom logging statements. For example, in > /usr/lib/mailman/scripts/bounces, I'll put statements like > > print >> sys.stderr, _('KFF: reached here: %(listname)s') > > Then I watch /var/lib/mailman/logs/bounces, to see which of my > statements get printed, and with what data. > > It helps to know a little Python, but you don't need to know much. > > Note the line > > LogStdErr('error', 'bounces') > > at the top of the script. The first part says to log standard error, > the second part says which logfile to use. Each script has a line > like this near the top. > > Hope this helps you debug, > -Karl > > >> > >> > -Karl >> > >> >> > uhhh... it's going close to 5 1/2 hours now! i need this list to >> be >> >> > operational today! what's the big deal with reading 10000 lines of >> >> email >> >> > addresses. i would have read them by now a few dozen times. >> >> > what's up with add_members?!? >> >> > >> >> >> hi all... >> >> >> >> >> >> i have a mailman version 2.0.13 running on an older box - rh 7.1 >> and >> >> i >> >> >> had >> >> >> to replace the members of a list. so i removed all. this took >> about 1 >> >> >> 1/2 >> >> >> hours to finish and now i'm importing the members back in - they >> are >> >> >> about >> >> >> 10 000. it has been going on for about 3 hours. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> this is how i executed the command: >> >> >> ..../add_members -n addss.txt -c n -w n listname >> >> >> >> >> >> why add_members is so slow? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> thanks.... >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> >> >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> >> >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> >> >> Searchable Archives: >> >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > Mailman-Users mailing list >> >> > Mailman-Users at python.org >> >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> >> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> >> > Searchable Archives: >> >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> >> Searchable Archives: >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> > >> >> >> -- > -- From fwf at starband.net Sat Jan 8 05:15:12 2005 From: fwf at starband.net (Cathy Cramer) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:15:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with private list Message-ID: <41DF5E50.10009@starband.net> I've hosted a private list on MajorDomo for about 5 years. Recently I moved to a server that only has MailMan 2.1.5. I am having problems restricting non-member posts. I set "Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined." to Discard, but spam messages have been distributed to the list. Are there other configurations that need to be specified in order to prevent this? Also, the list I host does not allow attachments. How do I restrict all attachments? Thanks in advance, Cathy Cramer From drjones at xmission.com Sat Jan 8 07:40:31 2005 From: drjones at xmission.com (Dr. Scott S. Jones) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:40:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I read this? Message-ID: <41DF805F.9070803@xmission.com> At the prompt, I notice this: root at fyrenice:/boot# vim /var/mail/scott You have new mail in /var/mail/scott I check that mail file and find the following error message: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 43, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 50, in ? DEFAULT_URL = none NameError: name 'none' is not defined My Defaults.py shows that for my debian package, I should have DEFAULT_URL = none set just that way? Do I need to add "none" somewhere to define it? From hannu at padasjoenlentokerho.fi Fri Jan 7 13:28:02 2005 From: hannu at padasjoenlentokerho.fi (hannu at padasjoenlentokerho.fi) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:28:02 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list emails just disappear to nowhere Message-ID: <41DE9C72.18645.3202BD64@localhost> Hello all and sorry for the bother :) A little background to my problem: I had a main hard disk problem with my web/list server and though I had some backups I decided to install a fresh (and newer) installation of Linux. Now everything else is working fine except Mailman(and/or postfix). It knows the lists I had built earlier fine, but sending mail to the lists doesn't work. After trying to handle the problem myself, I got until so far: In /var/log/mail I have a lines for the mail: Jan 7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/cleanup[4820]: 2534CE585: message- id=<20050107120744.2534CE585 at rbm.rbm-toolbox.net> Jan 7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/smtpd[4802]: disconnect from unknown[10.0.1.21] Jan 7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/qmgr[4799]: 2534CE585: from=, size=699, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jan 7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/local[4822]: 2534CE585: to=, orig_to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post hn-l) Jan 7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/qmgr[4799]: 2534CE585: removed So it would look quite all right ..... except that the mail doesn't appear anywhere. I am quite frustrated so far... any relief available? Otherwise postfix seems to work all right My postconf-n looks like the follows: alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases canonical_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/canonical command_directory = /usr/sbin config_directory = /etc/postfix content_filter = daemon_directory = /usr/lib/postfix debug_peer_level = 2 defer_transports = disable_dns_lookups = no inet_interfaces = all mail_owner = postfix mail_spool_directory = /var/mail mailbox_command = mailbox_size_limit = 0 mailbox_transport = mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq manpage_directory = /usr/share/man masquerade_classes = envelope_sender, header_sender, header_recipient masquerade_domains = masquerade_exceptions = root message_size_limit = 10240000 mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, list.rbm- toolbox.net, rbm.rbm-toolbox.net myhostname = rbm.rbm-toolbox.net mynetworks = 10.0.1.0/28, 127.0.0.0/8 newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/packages/postfix/README_FILES relayhost = relocated_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/relocated sample_directory = /usr/share/doc/packages/postfix/samples sender_canonical_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sender_canonical sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail setgid_group = maildrop smtp_sasl_auth_enable = no smtp_use_tls = no smtpd_client_restrictions = smtpd_helo_required = no smtpd_helo_restrictions = smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks,reject_unauth_destination smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = no smtpd_sender_restrictions = hash:/etc/postfix/access smtpd_use_tls = no strict_rfc821_envelopes = no transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 450 and aliases . . . mailman: root mailman-owner: mailman # hn-l: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post hn-l" hn-l-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman mailowner hn-l" hn-l-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman mailcmd hn-l" hn-l-owner: hn-l-admin Help me! ;) best regards, Hannu Niemi -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 6.1.2005 From rockyflag1991 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 7 19:47:37 2005 From: rockyflag1991 at yahoo.com (wheeliec@aya.yale.edu) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:47:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Inline HTML and Content Filtering Message-ID: <20050107184737.26415.qmail@web42008.mail.yahoo.com> Is it possible to allow inline HTML without setting the content filter to "No?" We'd like to allow users to send HTML messages in the body of their posts while still being able to strip out attachments (e.g., executables). But the only way I have been able to succesfully allow inline HTML posting is by turning off all content filtering. Is there any compromise? Unfortunately, I have not found any answer to this in the FAQs or in a few months worth of archives of postings to this list. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -CW rockyflag1991 at yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! ? What will yours do? From hmag at ozemail.com.au Sat Jan 8 10:46:28 2005 From: hmag at ozemail.com.au (Terry Allen) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:46:28 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list emails just disappear to nowhere In-Reply-To: <41DE9C72.18645.3202BD64@localhost> References: <41DE9C72.18645.3202BD64@localhost> Message-ID: >Hello all and sorry for the bother :) > >A little background to my problem: > >I had a main hard disk problem with my web/list server and though I >had some backups I decided to install a fresh (and newer) >installation of Linux. Now everything else is working fine except >Mailman(and/or postfix). > >It knows the lists I had built earlier fine, but sending mail to the >lists doesn't work. > >After trying to handle the problem myself, I got until so far: > >In /var/log/mail I have a lines for the mail: > >Jan 7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/cleanup[4820]: 2534CE585: message- >id=<20050107120744.2534CE585 at rbm.rbm-toolbox.net> >Jan 7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/smtpd[4802]: disconnect from >unknown[10.0.1.21] >Jan 7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/qmgr[4799]: 2534CE585: >from=, size=699, nrcpt=1 (queue active) >Jan 7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/local[4822]: 2534CE585: to=toolbox.net>, orig_to=, relay=local, >delay=0, status=sent (delivered to command: >/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post hn-l) >Jan 7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/qmgr[4799]: 2534CE585: removed > >So it would look quite all right ..... except that the mail doesn't >appear anywhere. I am quite frustrated so far... any relief >available? > >Otherwise postfix seems to work all right Hi again, Someone else may correct me here, but that last line of the log looks to me like Postfix has delivered the mail to the piped mailman command - if the mail is not showing up from there, it would indicate that either: a: Mailman is broken or b: Mailman is configured incorrectly. Our Mailman installation has a separate aliases file for Mailman, which I think is the normal Mailman setup when used with Postfix. Maybe post something to the Mailman list for assistance from there. -- Bye for now, Terry Allen ___________________________________________________________________ hEARd Postal Address: hEARd, 26B Glenning Rd, Glenning Valley, NSW 2261, Australia Internet - WWW: http://heard.com.au http://itavservices.com EMAIL: hmag at ozemail.com.au Phone: Australia - 02 4388 1400 / International - + 61 2 43881400 Mobile: Australia - 04 28881400 / International - 61 4 28881400 ----------------------------------------------- Non profit promotion for new music - since 1994 ----------------------------------------------- From msapiro at value.net Sat Jan 8 17:41:47 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:41:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list emails just disappear to nowhere In-Reply-To: <41DE9C72.18645.3202BD64@localhost> Message-ID: hannu at padasjoenlentokerho.fi wrote: > >In /var/log/mail I have a lines for the mail: > >Jan 7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/cleanup[4820]: 2534CE585: message- >id=<20050107120744.2534CE585 at rbm.rbm-toolbox.net> >Jan 7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/smtpd[4802]: disconnect from >unknown[10.0.1.21] >Jan 7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/qmgr[4799]: 2534CE585: >from=, size=699, nrcpt=1 (queue active) >Jan 7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/local[4822]: 2534CE585: to=toolbox.net>, orig_to=, relay=local, >delay=0, status=sent (delivered to command: >/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post hn-l) >Jan 7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/qmgr[4799]: 2534CE585: removed > >So it would look quite all right ..... except that the mail doesn't >appear anywhere. I am quite frustrated so far... any relief >available? Are the qrunners running? See >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py article 3.14, section 5 in particular. Do the messages get to the qfiles/in directory? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sat Jan 8 18:02:01 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 09:02:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Inline HTML and Content Filtering In-Reply-To: <20050107184737.26415.qmail@web42008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: rockyflag1991 at yahoo.com wrote: >Is it possible to allow inline HTML without setting the content filter to "No?" > >We'd like to allow users to send HTML messages in the body of their posts while still being able to strip out attachments (e.g., executables). >But the only way I have been able to succesfully allow inline HTML posting is by turning off all content filtering. > >Is there any compromise? Unfortunately, I have not found any answer to this in the FAQs or in a few months worth of archives of postings to this list. If filter_mime_types is empty and pass_mime_types includes for example multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain text/html SOME HTML will go through. The problem is that in multipart/alternative, only the first remaining part after filtering is selected. Thus, with the above, a multipart/alternative part with both text/plain and text/html subparts will result in only the text/plain part going to the list. You could remove text/plain from pass_mime_types, but that would require ALL accepted posts to be HTML. The alternative is to post HTML only, not multipart/alternative, when you want HTML. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From drjones at vii.com Sat Jan 8 18:23:29 2005 From: drjones at vii.com (Dr. Jones) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 10:23:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traceback errors Message-ID: <41E01711.9080403@vii.com> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 43, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 50, in ? DEFAULT_URL = none NameError: name 'none' is not defined I am unsure how to rectify these errors, or why they are errors? Suggestions/ Scott p.s. Mailman won't process my mail. I assume this is part of the reason. -- Dr. Scott S. Jones Hands-On Chiropractic IRC: irc.freenode.net #utah Yahoo: sanchiro12 From msapiro at value.net Sat Jan 8 18:38:10 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 09:38:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I read this? In-Reply-To: <41DF805F.9070803@xmission.com> Message-ID: Dr. Scott S. Jones wrote: > >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 43, in ? > from Mailman import mm_cfg > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 50, in ? > DEFAULT_URL = none >NameError: name 'none' is not defined > >My Defaults.py shows that for my debian package, I should have >DEFAULT_URL = none set just that way? Do I need to add "none" somewhere >to define it? It should be DEFAULT_URL = None i.e. None, not none. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sat Jan 8 18:48:57 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 09:48:57 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traceback errors In-Reply-To: <41E01711.9080403@vii.com> Message-ID: Dr. Jones wrote: >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 43, in ? > from Mailman import mm_cfg > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 50, in ? > DEFAULT_URL = none >NameError: name 'none' is not defined See my reply at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-January/041765.html to your other thread on this. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sat Jan 8 19:41:20 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:41:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with private list In-Reply-To: <41DF5E50.10009@starband.net> Message-ID: Cathy Cramer I've hosted a private list on MajorDomo for about 5 years. Recently I >moved to a server that only has MailMan 2.1.5. I am having problems >restricting non-member posts. I set "Action to take for postings from >non-members for which no explicit action is defined." to Discard, but >spam messages have been distributed to the list. Are there other >configurations that need to be specified in order to prevent this? What if anything do you have in the *_these_nonmembers settings. A "loose" pattern in accept_these_nonmembers could let anything through. It's hard to say what the problem might be without seeing the full headers from the spam messages that get through. >Also, the list I host does not allow attachments. How do I restrict all >attachments? See for example http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg28726.html and the two posts at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-January/041697.html and http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-January/041706.html -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe Sat Jan 8 23:00:08 2005 From: jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe (=?Windows-1252?Q?Jos=E9_Zapata?=) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:00:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Postfix won't work Message-ID: <000e01c4f5cd$837796d0$0201a8c0@adviento5n9v7a> Hello I'm currently using Mailman with Sendmail. After investigating a bit, I heard using Postfix would be better for performance (I have a 45000+ news list, announce only, with one message per day which is 70-90k in size). My server came with Postfix preinstalled, so I stopped sendmail and started Postfix. After reconfiguring Mailman with the correct user, I tried testing the lists. They don't seem to work at all. Every message I send to the list or the list owner seem to dissapear. The aliases are correctly set up, and Postfix is working fine as far as I can tell. I'm quite the newbie with Postfix and Mailman so I don't know what to do to diagnose the problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated. - Jose From mytrix at net4you.cz Sat Jan 8 23:36:51 2005 From: mytrix at net4you.cz (mytrix) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 23:36:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Move archive file to new list Message-ID: <20050108223700.C9670B87C@phoenix.net4you.cz> Hi, I want to move an archive files from old list to new. I have only *.txt and *.txt.tgz files. I copied it to new location at /usr/local/mailman/archive/private/listname/* and then I run script "arch listname". It re-created an index file, but the old files were ignore :/ It`s any way, how can I added an old archive files to actual archive? Txh. mytrix From msapiro at value.net Sat Jan 8 23:48:01 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:48:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Move archive file to new list In-Reply-To: <20050108223700.C9670B87C@phoenix.net4you.cz> Message-ID: mytrix wrote: > >I want to move an archive files from old list to new. I have only *.txt and >*.txt.tgz files. I copied it to new location at >/usr/local/mailman/archive/private/listname/* and then I run script "arch >listname". It re-created an index file, but the old files were ignore :/ >It`s any way, how can I added an old archive files to actual archive? Ideally, you would have moved the .mbox/.mbox file. This is the file that bin/arch will use by default. If you have only the *.txt and *.txt.tgz files, you will need to unpack any .txt.tgz files so you have a complete (and unduplicated) set of .txt files and then concatenate them into one large file. Put this in (in your case) /usr/local/mailman/archive/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox and then run bin/arch --wipe listname which will rebuild the archive from listname.mbox/listname.mbox -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sat Jan 8 23:57:44 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:57:44 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating from one server to another In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Adam Cripps wrote: > >Which files will need to look transport if I leave Suse's standard >install on the target machine? Is there any documentation out there >specifying them? I'm not aware of any documentation, but at a minimum you need to move the contents of the lists/ directory and if you want archives, the contents of the /archives directory. If the system has no queued messages/tasks and no pending requests, that's all you need to do. If there are queued messages, you may want to move some or all of qfiles/. If there are pending requests, you may want to move pending.pck and the heldmesg-* files from data/ -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From alexander.young at gmail.com Sun Jan 9 00:00:51 2005 From: alexander.young at gmail.com (Alex Young) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:00:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: moderation hold not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:12:04 -0700, Alex Young wrote: > I have a mailman installation that is processing all messages properly > excepting for held messages. > > On any list that I require message moderation for subscribed users, > the messages go no where. The users also get no reply even though > Edit member_moderation_notice is populated. > > Non-subscriber messages are set to email an admin as well, but that > also is not working. > > Subscriptions that require approval are working as expected with email > announcements being send to moderators and administrators. > > I have looked in /var/log/mailman for errors, but none of the files > has been recently modified. > > I also checked my mail queue and verified that the messages are being > delivered to mailman. > Not to nag, but I still can't figure out whats wrong with the moderation system on my site. Anyone have any ideas to try? From msapiro at value.net Sun Jan 9 00:38:47 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:38:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: moderation hold not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex Young wrote: >On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:12:04 -0700, Alex Young wrote: >> I have a mailman installation that is processing all messages properly >> excepting for held messages. >> >> On any list that I require message moderation for subscribed users, >> the messages go no where. The users also get no reply even though >> Edit member_moderation_notice is populated. >> >> Non-subscriber messages are set to email an admin as well, but that >> also is not working. >> >> Subscriptions that require approval are working as expected with email >> announcements being send to moderators and administrators. >> >> I have looked in /var/log/mailman for errors, but none of the files >> has been recently modified. >> >> I also checked my mail queue and verified that the messages are being >> delivered to mailman. >> > >Not to nag, but I still can't figure out whats wrong with the >moderation system on my site. Anyone have any ideas to try? Evidently, neither can anyone else. Your lists appear to be behaving as though member_moderation_action and generic_nonmember_action are set to Discard, but I think/hope you would have checked these before posting. You say subscription approvals do go through to owners/moderators. Moderation and nonmember holds are sent to owners/moderators in exactly the same way, so presumably things that might affect this such as the alias for the listname-owner address are all OK. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe Sun Jan 9 09:44:24 2005 From: jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe (=?Windows-1252?Q?Jos=E9_Zapata?=) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 03:44:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] It seems Postfix is not the problem... Message-ID: <004401c4f627$6d1b0020$0201a8c0@adviento5n9v7a> After checking and re-checking, it seems I was wrong in thinking Postfix might be the problem. Somehow, I think I've broken Mailman to some extend. Let me elaborate: I was testing mailman by sending messages to the list owner. Nothing, the list owner didn't recieve them, and the sendmail queue was empty. I send a test message to the list. Nothing, the sendmail queue was still empty. Not knowing what else to do, I reboot the Linux server and try to start mailmanctl. It gives me the "stale pid" error so I start it with mailmanctl -s. So far, so good, I think. But still no message recieved. I check the logs, and nothing gives me a clue. Then I find this directory: /usr/local/mailmal/locks. When I do a ls, it gives me lots of .lock files with the name of my list. Deciding I had nothing to lose, I delete them all. Voil?, the list owner starts receiving mail I send 3 days ago and the sendmail queue starts to fill with the test message I send sever or eight hours ago! Tomorrow I'll send another test message (I'll wait for this to finish sending), but what I'd like to know, if someone actually has a clue, is what just did happen, or is happening, and more importantly, will it happen again? I think it has something to do with stale locks, but I can't be sure. So, if someone has an idea, please tell me. P.D.: Forgive my english. It's not my first language and moreover, it's 03:44 in the morning. Thank you all. From hmag at ozemail.com.au Sun Jan 9 10:46:18 2005 From: hmag at ozemail.com.au (Terry Allen) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 20:46:18 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] It seems Postfix is not the problem... In-Reply-To: <004401c4f627$6d1b0020$0201a8c0@adviento5n9v7a> References: <004401c4f627$6d1b0020$0201a8c0@adviento5n9v7a> Message-ID: >After checking and re-checking, it seems I was >wrong in thinking Postfix might be the problem. >Somehow, I think I've broken Mailman to some >extend. Let me elaborate: I was testing mailman >by sending messages to the list owner. Nothing, >the list owner didn't recieve them, and the >sendmail queue was empty. I send a test message >to the list. Nothing, the sendmail queue was >still empty. Not knowing what else to do, I >reboot the Linux server and try to start >mailmanctl. It gives me the "stale pid" error so >I start it with mailmanctl -s. So far, so good, >I think. But still no message recieved. I check >the logs, and nothing gives me a clue. Then I >find this directory: /usr/local/mailmal/locks. >When I do a ls, it gives me lots of .lock files >with the name of my list. Deciding I had nothing >to lose, I delete them all. Voil?, the list >owner starts receiving mail I send 3 days ago >and the sendmail queue starts to fill with the >test message I send sever or eight hours ago! >Tomorrow I'll send another test message (I'll >wait for this to finish sending), but what I'd >like to know, if someone actually has a clue, is >what just did happen, or is happening, and more >importantly, will it happen again? I think it >has something to do with stale locks, but I >can't be sure. So, if someone has an idea, >please tell me. > Hi again, In looking, I think you are correct - a lockfile problem. Hopefully this won't happen again. Maybe a full system reboot might be in order to clear all the processes. -- Bye for now, Terry Allen ___________________________________________________________________ hEARd Postal Address: hEARd, 26B Glenning Rd, Glenning Valley, NSW 2261, Australia Internet - WWW: http://heard.com.au http://itavservices.com EMAIL: hmag at ozemail.com.au Phone: Australia - 02 4388 1400 / International - + 61 2 43881400 Mobile: Australia - 04 28881400 / International - 61 4 28881400 ----------------------------------------------- Non profit promotion for new music - since 1994 ----------------------------------------------- From chris at schoeppi.net Sun Jan 9 14:24:04 2005 From: chris at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:24:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Postfix won't work In-Reply-To: <000e01c4f5cd$837796d0$0201a8c0@adviento5n9v7a> References: <000e01c4f5cd$837796d0$0201a8c0@adviento5n9v7a> Message-ID: <20050109132403.GA3647@athlon.schoeppi.net> Hi! On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 05:00:08PM -0500, Jos? Zapata wrote: > I'm currently using Mailman with Sendmail. After investigating a bit, > I heard using Postfix would be better for performance (I have a 45000+ > news list, announce only, with one message per day which is 70-90k in > size). My server came with Postfix preinstalled, so I stopped sendmail > and started Postfix. Good decision ;-). > After reconfiguring Mailman with the correct > user, tried testing the lists. They don't seem to work at all. Every > message I send to the list or the list owner seem to dissapear. The > aliases are correctly set up, and Postfix is working fine as far as I > can tell. Does postfix know about your mailman aliases? You can integrate the mailman aliases file into postfix, by adding the path to this file to the alias_maps entry: alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases -- Regards, Christian Schoepplein Windows -> REBOOT ... Linux -> BE ROOT Linux for the blind: http://www.blinux.suse.de From jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe Sun Jan 9 18:04:00 2005 From: jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe (=?Windows-1252?Q?Jos=E9_Zapata?=) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:04:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (Off topic - kinda) Postfix again Message-ID: <002701c4f66d$37a89600$0201a8c0@adviento5n9v7a> Hello Well, I'm trying again Postfix instead of Sendmail and hopefully all will work this time. However, I have one little problem. Even if Postfix is running and Sendmail isn't, when I check the queue with "mailq" the result I get belongs to the Sendmail queue. Can you please tell me how to make the "mailq" command work with the Postfix queue? Many thanks. Jos? From john at wa9als.com Sun Jan 9 18:19:57 2005 From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:19:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Postfix won't work References: <000e01c4f5cd$837796d0$0201a8c0@adviento5n9v7a> <20050109132403.GA3647@athlon.schoeppi.net> Message-ID: <001e01c4f66f$721c0c20$0100a8c0@wa9als> > Does postfix know about your mailman aliases? You can integrate the > mailman aliases file into postfix, by adding the path to this file to > the alias_maps entry: > > alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, > hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases My Mailman works great, but I'm sure there are redundant entries in main.cf: alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases Would someone tell me what I can safely get rid of? Thanks! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 1/6/2005 From kabads at gmail.com Sun Jan 9 22:58:08 2005 From: kabads at gmail.com (Adam Cripps) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:58:08 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating from one server to another In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:57:44 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Adam Cripps wrote: > > > >Which files will need to look transport if I leave Suse's standard > >install on the target machine? Is there any documentation out there > >specifying them? > > I'm not aware of any documentation, but at a minimum you need to move > the contents of the lists/ directory and if you want archives, the > contents of the /archives directory. > > If the system has no queued messages/tasks and no pending requests, > that's all you need to do. If there are queued messages, you may want > to move some or all of qfiles/. If there are pending requests, you may > want to move pending.pck and the heldmesg-* files from data/ > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > Thanks Mark. -- http://www.monkeez.org GPG key: 7111B833 From chris at schoeppi.net Mon Jan 10 00:04:33 2005 From: chris at schoeppi.net (Christian Schoepplein) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:04:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (Off topic - kinda) Postfix again In-Reply-To: <002701c4f66d$37a89600$0201a8c0@adviento5n9v7a> References: <002701c4f66d$37a89600$0201a8c0@adviento5n9v7a> Message-ID: <20050109230433.GB11789@athlon.schoeppi.net> Hi! On So, Jan 09, 2005 at 12:04:00 -0500, Jos? Zapata wrote: > Well, I'm trying again Postfix instead of Sendmail and hopefully all > will work this time. However, I have one little problem. Even if > Postfix is running and Sendmail isn't, when I check the queue with > "mailq" the result I get belongs to the Sendmail queue. Have you really installed both postfix and sendmail on the same server? > Can you please tell me how to make the "mailq" command work with the > Postfix queue? Use the command postqueue -p Thats the same like mailq and it shows you the postfix queue. If you want to use the mailq command, remove sendmail and install and configure postfix properly. -- Gru? / regards, Christian Schoepplein Windows -> REBOOT ... Linux -> BE ROOT Linux fuer Blinde: http://www.blinux.suse.de From msandler at HostMySite.com Mon Jan 10 05:37:58 2005 From: msandler at HostMySite.com (Mike Sandler) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:37:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-users@python.org line 340 is broken Message-ID: Let me start by saying that I don't know Python. Not even a little. I got the following error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 175, in main change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1296, in change_options gui.handleForm(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Gui/Privacy.py", line 510, in handleForm GUIBase.handleForm(self, mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Gui/GUIBase.py", line 158, in handleForm doc.addError( File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 340, in addError self.AddItem(Header(3, Bold(FontAttr( TypeError: not enough arguments for format string and the forums seemed to be no help. I tracked down the offending line: self.AddItem(Header(3, Bold(FontAttr( _(tag), color=mm_cfg.WEB_ERROR_COLOR, size='+2')).Format() + Italic(errmsg % args).Format())) The problem seems to be in the Italic(errmsg % args).Format() part of it (trial and error) I got my code to not bomb and give me a readable error with: self.AddItem(Header(3, Bold(FontAttr( _(tag), color=mm_cfg.WEB_ERROR_COLOR, size='+2')).Format() )) self.AddItem(Header(3, Bold(FontAttr( errmsg, color=mm_cfg.WEB_ERROR_COLOR, size='+2')).Format() )) I am sure this is not ideal - I am sure that someone who knows the lang can come up with something better - but this allowed me to find my error (a bad email address) and fix it. Mike From yd at media-c.de Mon Jan 10 09:42:07 2005 From: yd at media-c.de (Yassen Damyanov) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:42:07 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Identical list names on milti-virtual-domains host In-Reply-To: <20050107174811.GB3326@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <200501071727.28180.yd@media-c.de> <20050107174811.GB3326@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <200501101042.07249.yd@media-c.de> On Friday 07 January 2005 19:48, Todd wrote: > > I submitted some questions to > the folks at cPanel asking for the modifications and it took a long > while before I finally got a link where the changes were posted: > > http://koston.org/mailman-patches/ > > I don't know how current the patch there is, it says it's for 2.1.3, > though I know from working with some people that have cPanel installed > on their servers that cPanel has mailman 2.1.5 included at this point. Thanks a lot, Todd! I tried that patch against 2.1.5. It was relatively easy to apply -- all lines a subject to change are exactly the same as in 2.1.3 (which does not mean that the patch is correct against 2.1.5). Unfortunately, it didn't work. No change in the behavior in case of identical list names for different domains. Thus I am in a big trouble: I was told mailman supports virtual domains so without a second thought I migrated tens of domains to a machine running postfix 2.1 / apache2 / mailman 2.1.5. Several mailing lists have the same name and differ only by domain. Really bad ... (BTW, this patch seems not very serious: there are about 5 lines or so changed, excluding the crontab files and the configuration changes.) If anyone has any futher idea on this subject -- it will be very much appreciated. Yassen -- Yassen Damyanov Troyer Information Systems email: yd at troyer.co.at ICQ# : 169382108 web : www.troyer-is.com From fpoole at poolesdive.com Sun Jan 9 18:18:07 2005 From: fpoole at poolesdive.com (fpoole-dive) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:18:07 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Security upgrades causing problems? Message-ID: <20050109180453.A31481E4009@bag.python.org> Howdy, I have 2 mailman lists http://mossbaydiveclub.org/mailman/listinfo http://snapnshoot.org/mailman/listinfo and have been trying to send out and receive. My ISP did some upgrades for the new security leaks and I'm thinking it might be an issue for mailman. They say everything is working fine, what's new, so I asked them what they had done recently. Their response: just say that the server php/mysql/exim was upgraded for security reasons and that it might make mailman not work correctly for mailman hasn't been redone yet by the makers. It had been working fine for the last 6-9 months, had a problem several weeks ago, but due to forgetting to add the address to some gateway, but was back working again until several days ago, when they just happen to make the above upgrades. So my question is if anyone has been experiencing the same problem AFTER doing the above upgrades or it might be too new to get feed back right now... Just thought I'd check, thanx.... ----- We are able to send out e-mails to the group, but then never see them. No bounces, no returns etc.. just off to that black hole in the internet. http://mossbaydiveclub.org/mailman/listinfo http://snapnshoot.org/mailman/listinfo both on the same ISP/server. ~~~ fpoole www.poolesdive.com Dive'n the Great Nor'West From info at gold-solutions.co.uk Sun Jan 9 17:12:37 2005 From: info at gold-solutions.co.uk (info at gold-solutions.co.uk) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:12:37 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help!!! Message-ID: <012201c4f666$0a0c6ca0$94592252@gaurav7klgnyif> Hello there, I use mailman software and reached myself into a problem: I sent out one newsletter, and for some reason it sent it out 4 times including some BT emails 5 times. I got emails in the list how can i just get it to send once from one email address??? How can i add a reply function so people can unsubscribe Regards Gaurav From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Jan 10 10:28:04 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:28:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help!!! In-Reply-To: <012201c4f666$0a0c6ca0$94592252@gaurav7klgnyif> References: <012201c4f666$0a0c6ca0$94592252@gaurav7klgnyif> Message-ID: At 4:12 PM +0000 2005-01-09, wrote: > I sent out one newsletter, and for some reason it sent it out 4 > times including some BT emails 5 times. This is almost certainly a problem with the MTA (Mail Transfer Agent, e.g., sendmail, postfix, exim, etc...) on the machine, and not the fault of Mailman. It's also unlikely to be the fault of sendmail or postfix -- I have never heard of a single example of a duplicate mailing that has been correctly attributed to them within the past five or ten years. You should find out what MTA you have on your server, then take your questions to a mailing list or newsgroup that is appropriate to that software. > I got emails in the list how can i just get it to send once from one > email address??? I don't understant the question. Can you elaborate? > How can i add a reply function so people can unsubscribe Unless you turned off the "List-*" headers, in every message that goes through Mailman, you should see something like this: List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , If people click on the appropriate unsubscribe link, or if their MUA properly interprets the headers and gives them an "unsubscribe" button, then that should do everything that is required. Otherwise, it's up to them to follow the instructions. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From drjones at xmission.com Mon Jan 10 15:04:28 2005 From: drjones at xmission.com (drjones at xmission.com) Date: 10 Jan 2005 09:04:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail Message-ID: <246560-22005111014428394@M2W038.mail2web.com> Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script... Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:04:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am unsure how to resolve THIS error=2E I am hoping there is some configuration file that I can update, instead of having to reconfigure my Mailman installation entirely=2E=20 > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software=2E > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > recipients=2E This is a permanent error=2E The following address(es) fai= led: > > pipe to |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post 2ls > generated by 2ls at fyrenice=2Ecom > local delivery failed > > The following text was generated during the delivery attempt: > > ------ pipe to |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post 2ls > generated by 2ls at fyrenice=2Ecom ------ > > Group mismatch error=2E Mailman expected the mail > wrapper script to be executed as group "daemon", but > the system's mail server executed the mail script as > group "Debian-exim"=2E Try tweaking the mail server to run the > script as group "daemon", or re-run configure, > providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=3DDebian-exim'=2E > Thanks for any help on this=2E=20 Scott -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E From msapiro at value.net Mon Jan 10 17:48:06 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:48:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Identical list names on milti-virtual-domains host In-Reply-To: <200501101042.07249.yd@media-c.de> Message-ID: Yassen Damyanov wrote: >On Friday 07 January 2005 19:48, Todd wrote: >> >> I submitted some questions to >> the folks at cPanel asking for the modifications and it took a long >> while before I finally got a link where the changes were posted: >> >> http://koston.org/mailman-patches/ >> >> I don't know how current the patch there is, it says it's for 2.1.3, >> though I know from working with some people that have cPanel installed >> on their servers that cPanel has mailman 2.1.5 included at this point. > >Thanks a lot, Todd! > >I tried that patch against 2.1.5. It was relatively easy to apply -- all >lines a subject to change are exactly the same as in 2.1.3 (which does not >mean that the patch is correct against 2.1.5). > >Unfortunately, it didn't work. No change in the behavior in case of >identical list names for different domains. Thus I am in a big trouble: >I was told mailman supports virtual domains so without a second thought >I migrated tens of domains to a machine running postfix 2.1 / apache2 / >mailman 2.1.5. Several mailing lists have the same name and differ only >by domain. Really bad ... > >(BTW, this patch seems not very serious: there are about 5 lines or so >changed, excluding the crontab files and the configuration changes.) > >If anyone has any futher idea on this subject -- it will be very much >appreciated. There is a similar patch (mentioned in FAQ article 4.47) at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=943827&group_id=103&atid=300103 You might look at this too in case you haven't already. It also patches bin/newlist which cPanel may not use. I haven't looked at this in detail so I'm not sure, but I think your issue with things not working may be because the patch works by creating an internal list name which includes the domain. This will not have been done for existing lists. Thus, you may have to use bin/withlist to fix things for existing lists after applying the patch. You may also need to change names in the lists/ and archives/ directory for existing lists. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jdennis at redhat.com Mon Jan 10 18:06:26 2005 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:06:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (Off topic - kinda) Postfix again In-Reply-To: <20050109230433.GB11789@athlon.schoeppi.net> References: <002701c4f66d$37a89600$0201a8c0@adviento5n9v7a> <20050109230433.GB11789@athlon.schoeppi.net> Message-ID: <1105376786.1398.10.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Sun, 2005-01-09 at 18:04, Christian Schoepplein wrote: > Hi! > > On So, Jan 09, 2005 at 12:04:00 -0500, Jos? Zapata wrote: > > Well, I'm trying again Postfix instead of Sendmail and hopefully all > > will work this time. However, I have one little problem. Even if > > Postfix is running and Sendmail isn't, when I check the queue with > > "mailq" the result I get belongs to the Sendmail queue. > > Have you really installed both postfix and sendmail on the same server? > > > Can you please tell me how to make the "mailq" command work with the > > Postfix queue? > > Use the command > > postqueue -p > > Thats the same like mailq and it shows you the postfix queue. If you > want to use the mailq command, remove sendmail and install and > configure postfix properly. >From previous correspondence on a different topic I seem to recall Jose may be running a Red Hat distribution. If that is the case then there is a little configuration utility used to switch between sendmail and postfix that should be a much easier solution. On the Fedora releases its /usr/sbin/system-switch-mail, it is not installed by default, you will probably need to install the system-switch-mail rpm. On RHEL systems its called redhat-switch-mail and is in the redhat-switch-mail rpm. On Red Hat systems we use the "alternatives" mechanism to support multiple installed subsystems and switch between them. This is done via symbolic links. If you're a "I program on bare metal" person you can invoke alternatives directly, the system-switch-mail is just a simple GUI that wraps "alternatives" HTH -- John Dennis From toby at vidiom.com Mon Jan 10 18:05:45 2005 From: toby at vidiom.com (Toby Wahlers) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:05:45 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-htdig returns blank page Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050109210253.02851718@mail.vidiom.com> I can no longer get mmsearch htdig searches to work. It's been working for a long time, suddenly just gives blank pages on the results page. No errors in the mailman or apache or htdig logs. The htdig cron job runs fine, the indexes appear to be fine. I ran blow_away_htdig and the nightly cron job to rebuild everything, which went fine. But still get nothing when I search--just an absolutely blank page. I'm running Mailman 2.1.2, htdig 3.20b4, Apache2. Haven't updated anything in several months. I ran a test cgi in place of htsearch, to display environment settings,and it seems as though things are set correctly. From eric at 101sites.com Mon Jan 10 18:29:33 2005 From: eric at 101sites.com (Eric Elder) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:29:33 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tracking bounces In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050109210253.02851718@mail.vidiom.com> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050109210253.02851718@mail.vidiom.com> Message-ID: <31080D6B-632D-11D9-99EF-000A95F0DD46@101sites.com> I'm still looking for a way to track the bounced emails in mailman. Is there an easy way to lookup which of the users have been bouncing BEFORE they reach their bounce limit? Is it also possible to see why they're bouncing, or is that information deleted as soon as mailman records that a message has bounced? I'm not sure if this is in a log file that is human readable, or in another place that is even viewable through the mailman interface, but I can't seem to find a way to find this info. Thanks, Eric From msapiro at value.net Mon Jan 10 18:56:46 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:56:46 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-users@python.org line 340 is broken In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mike Sandler wrote: >Let me start by saying that I don't know Python. Not even a little. OK >I got the following error: > >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main > main() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 175, in main > change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1296, in >change_options > gui.handleForm(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Gui/Privacy.py", line 510, in >handleForm > GUIBase.handleForm(self, mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Gui/GUIBase.py", line 158, in >handleForm > doc.addError( > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 340, in addError > self.AddItem(Header(3, Bold(FontAttr( >TypeError: not enough arguments for format string >and the forums seemed to be no help. >I tracked down the offending line: > self.AddItem(Header(3, Bold(FontAttr( > _(tag), color=mm_cfg.WEB_ERROR_COLOR, size='+2')).Format() + > Italic(errmsg % args).Format())) >The problem seems to be in the Italic(errmsg % args).Format() part of it >(trial and error) >I got my code to not bomb and give me a readable error with: > self.AddItem(Header(3, Bold(FontAttr( _(tag), >color=mm_cfg.WEB_ERROR_COLOR, size='+2')).Format() )) > self.AddItem(Header(3, Bold(FontAttr( errmsg, >color=mm_cfg.WEB_ERROR_COLOR, size='+2')).Format() )) > >I am sure this is not ideal - I am sure that someone who knows the lang >can come up with something better - but this allowed me to find my error >(a bad email address) and fix it. All your change did was show you the format string which you could have seen in the source of the calling module (one line above in the trace) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Gui/GUIBase.py", line 158, in >handleForm The code in addError should not be changed. It is called from many places and it ought to work as is. The real issue is why did (errmsg % args) not work in this case. errmsg (in English at least) is 'Bad email address for option %(property)s: %(val)s'. Evidently args didn't have appropriate values for 'property' and 'val'. This is what should be addressed. What was the actual entry in what place on what page that caused the error? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jdennis at redhat.com Mon Jan 10 19:16:57 2005 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:16:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail In-Reply-To: <246560-22005111014428394@M2W038.mail2web.com> References: <246560-22005111014428394@M2W038.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <1105381017.1398.40.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 09:04, drjones at xmission.com wrote: > Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script... > I am unsure how to resolve THIS error=2E I am hoping there is some > configuration file that I can update, instead of having to reconfigure my > Mailman installation entirely=2E=20 The group information is compiled into the mailman wrapper. You have two choices, you can either change the group the MTA operates under to match mailman or rebuild mailman again passing the group in the configure step as recommended in the error message, this is probably the best solution. FWIW a complete rebuild of mailman only takes a short while on most boxes so it shouldn't be to painful, then just install to the same location, nothing else should be affected although it might be prudent to stop mailman during the install. -- John Dennis From msapiro at value.net Mon Jan 10 20:23:53 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:23:53 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tracking bounces In-Reply-To: <31080D6B-632D-11D9-99EF-000A95F0DD46@101sites.com> Message-ID: Eric Elder wrote: >I'm still looking for a way to track the bounced emails in mailman. Is >there an easy way to lookup which of the users have been bouncing >BEFORE they reach their bounce limit? Is it also possible to see why >they're bouncing, or is that information deleted as soon as mailman >records that a message has bounced? > >I'm not sure if this is in a log file that is human readable, or in >another place that is even viewable through the mailman interface, but >I can't seem to find a way to find this info. The Mailman bounce log is human readable and will tell you what addresses are bouncing/have bounced on what list(s). The specific bounce message and reason is not saved so you don't see this until you receive the notice when they reach the limit. The bounce log is usually logs/bounce in your mailman installation directory but the directory containing the logs can be changed by assignment to LOG_DIR in mm_cfg.py. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From afreyvogel at ecmarket.com Mon Jan 10 22:36:57 2005 From: afreyvogel at ecmarket.com (Andreas Freyvogel) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:36:57 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating from one server to another In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am working on a similar task, in that I have created a new server to host my lists. I have Mailman installed and configured to work fine and I copied over my lists to the appropriate folder. The issue I am having is that when I go to Mailman/admin I am not seeing any of my lists. If I go to a specific list by name I see that all the information is there. Am I missing a step in letting mailman know about the lists? Thank you, -Andreas -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 2:58 PM To: Adam Cripps; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Migrating from one server to another Adam Cripps wrote: > >Which files will need to look transport if I leave Suse's standard >install on the target machine? Is there any documentation out there >specifying them? I'm not aware of any documentation, but at a minimum you need to move the contents of the lists/ directory and if you want archives, the contents of the /archives directory. If the system has no queued messages/tasks and no pending requests, that's all you need to do. If there are queued messages, you may want to move some or all of qfiles/. If there are pending requests, you may want to move pending.pck and the heldmesg-* files from data/ -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From gagel at cnc.bc.ca Mon Jan 10 23:07:03 2005 From: gagel at cnc.bc.ca (Kevin W. Gagel) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:07:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating from one server to another Message-ID: <41e2fc87.1e1.a4c.23792@cnc.bc.ca> > I am working on a similar task, in that I have created a > new server to host my lists. > > I have Mailman installed and configured to work fine and I > copied over my lists to the appropriate folder. The issue > I am having is that when I go to Mailman/admin I am not > seeing any of my lists. If I go to a specific list by name > I see that all the information is there. > > Am I missing a step in letting mailman know about the > lists? Have you looked at this? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.4 ========================= Kevin W. Gagel Network Administrator Information Technology Services (250) 561-5848 local 448 ------------------------------------------------------------------- The College of New Caledonia, Visit us at http://www.cnc.bc.ca Virus scanning is done on all incoming and outgoing email. Anti-spam information for CNC can be found at http://avas.cnc.bc.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------- From msapiro at value.net Mon Jan 10 23:37:12 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:37:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating from one server to another In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Andreas Freyvogel wrote: > >I have Mailman installed and configured to work fine and I copied over my >lists to the appropriate folder. The issue I am having is that when I go to >Mailman/admin I am not seeing any of my lists. If I go to a specific list by >name I see that all the information is there. > >Am I missing a step in letting mailman know about the lists? If your new server is in a different domain, you probably need to run fix_url.py. >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Another post mentioned article 3.4, and article 4.29 may also be relevant. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe Mon Jan 10 23:48:00 2005 From: jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Zapata?=) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:48:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: *sigh* the same problem again Message-ID: <00af01c4f766$71b83900$fd01a8c0@aciprensa.com> Hello there. As you might recall, I was having trouble with Mailman and Postfix. Apparently the problems were fixed, "apparently" being the keyword here. I send today our daily newsletter to the list. Nothing. Nobody received anything. I tried to do what I did yesterday: deleting all the files in the /usr/local/mailmail/locks directory. Nothing. I tried flushing the Postfix queue. Nothing! In desesperation, I decided to revert back to Sendmail. So, I stopped Postfix, manually killed the mailmanctl process, manually killed all python processes, reconfigure Mailman to work with the correct user, start Sendmail and start Mailman. I then send a test message to the list owner (that being me). Yes, you guessed it. Nothing!! The message never arrived. I'm truly baffled. The worst thing is, I *know* Mailman works, both under Sendmail and Postfix. But, for some reason, it isn't working now. Any help with be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jos? From jwt at onjapan.net Tue Jan 11 07:02:19 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:02:19 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Security upgrades causing problems? In-Reply-To: <20050109180453.A31481E4009@bag.python.org> References: <20050109180453.A31481E4009@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <5A877C0C-6396-11D9-8D7A-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Jan 10, 2005, at 02:18, fpoole-dive wrote: > Their response: just say that the server php/mysql/exim was upgraded > for > security reasons and that it might make mailman not work correctly for > mailman hasn't been redone yet by the makers. Mailman doesn't use PHP or MySQL, and works great with Exim (up to and including the latest version). If you are having new problems with Mailman, you should ask your provider for more information about what they changed after explaining to them in detail the problems you are now experiencing. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at onjapan.net Tue Jan 11 07:06:12 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:06:12 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Identical list names on milti-virtual-domains host In-Reply-To: <200501101042.07249.yd@media-c.de> References: <200501071727.28180.yd@media-c.de> <20050107174811.GB3326@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <200501101042.07249.yd@media-c.de> Message-ID: On Jan 10, 2005, at 17:42, Yassen Damyanov wrote: > Unfortunately, it didn't work. No change in the behavior in case of > identical list names for different domains. Thus I am in a big trouble: > I was told mailman supports virtual domains so without a second thought > I migrated tens of domains to a machine running postfix 2.1 / apache2 / > mailman 2.1.5. Several mailing lists have the same name and differ only > by domain. Really bad ... Another alternative is to run multiple instances of Mailman on the machine. That can have advantages if you need different defaults for different domains, want different list creator passwords, etc. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From billbruns at yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 02:44:02 2005 From: billbruns at yahoo.com (Bill Bruns-Yahoo) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:44:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for information on stability of Mailman Message-ID: <000a01c4f6b5$df688920$0200a8c0@win98> Howdy, We are thinking of using Mailman as our mailing list manager in a commercial situation. In our situation we only handle about 3000 users, on a shared Linux server. I am looking for information about the stability of Mailman, especially since there are quite a few problems reported on this list. Also about the minimum system requirements to run it. Alternatively, if you could suggest a different mail list manager, that would be useful also. Thanks! Bill Bruns From robert at almightycontent.com Mon Jan 10 14:16:52 2005 From: robert at almightycontent.com (Robert Standley) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:16:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] attatchment reqest Message-ID: <20050110135331.C9FD21E400A@bag.python.org> I would like the attatchment sent to me. R This is a message from the MailScanner E-Mail Virus Protection Service ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The original e-mail attachment "programs.zip" is on the list of unacceptable attachments for this site and has been replaced by this warning message. If you wish to receive a copy of the original attachment, please e-mail helpdesk and include the whole of this message in your request. Alternatively, you can call them, with the contents of this message to hand when you call. At Mon Jan 10 03:25:17 2005 the virus scanner said: MailScanner: Executable DOS/Windows programs are dangerous in email (WS_FTP95.exe) Note to Help Desk: Look on the river-yodns-com MailScanner in /var/spool/MailScanner/quarantine/20050110 (message 1Cnxfd-0003yl-EQ). -- Postmaster MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support Warning: This message has had one or more attachments removed (WS_FTP95.exe, programs.zip). Please read the "river-yodns-com-Attachment-Warning.txt" attachment(s) for more information. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/2004 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/2004 From mdolter at jburroughs.org Mon Jan 10 16:32:19 2005 From: mdolter at jburroughs.org (Peggy O. Dolter) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:32:19 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad links in admin e-mails Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050110082911.04687528@jburroughs.org> Hello, When I get list admin messages directing me to this: http://www.jburroughs.org/mailman/admindb/alum_jbs it works alright, but when I get messages directing me to: http://jbworld/mailman/admindb/mailman I get a page that says "This page cannot be displayed." This problem just started in the past few weeks. It was at about that time that the look of the interface suddenly changed without warning. It says we have Mailman version 2.1.5. Help? Thanks! Peggy Dolter Alumni Office John Burroughs School www.jburroughs.org 1-800-264-4045, ext. 261 1-314-993-4040 From plutorev at hotmail.com Mon Jan 10 20:36:28 2005 From: plutorev at hotmail.com (Sada siva) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:36:28 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] install questions Message-ID: i am attempting to run mailman and i need some help installing - i looked at some lists that describe how to do it - i am not a total Klutz as i am used to managing websites and usung my server ineterface, etc. but i am not savvy in installing scripts and language likre this is a little dauning - I am sure tha ti can install it- but i do not know where i "add a user named mailman" for example thanks Sam =================== Add a user named `mailman'. Add a group named `mailman'. Run: mkdir /usr/local/lib/mailman Run: chown mailman.mailman /usr/local/lib/mailman Run: chmod a+rx,g+ws /usr/local/lib/mailman Run: ./configure --with-gcc=no --prefix=/usr/local/lib/mailman --with-mail-gid=nobody --with-cgi-gid=www --with-mailhost=pcc.com --with-urlhost=www.pcc.com Run: make Run (as root): make install Copy all the *.jpg and *.png from misc/ to /usr/HTTPServer/icons/mailman Edit httpd.con From williamsa at leaders.ccl.org Mon Jan 10 21:32:48 2005 From: williamsa at leaders.ccl.org (williamsa at leaders.ccl.org) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:32:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration question Message-ID: <49B2F333F1CAD411B80100B0D0681722094D676C@gsoms01.ccl.org> What do I set to insure that it is a closed list? That is, the list can only be sent to by administrators and not reply to all on the list. Andrea Williams Substance Abuse Policy Research Program Center for Creative Leadership One Leadership Place Greensboro, NC 27438 336-286-4414 williamsa at leaders.ccl.org From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Jan 11 10:03:38 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:03:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looking for information on stability of Mailman In-Reply-To: <000a01c4f6b5$df688920$0200a8c0@win98> References: <000a01c4f6b5$df688920$0200a8c0@win98> Message-ID: At 5:44 PM -0800 2005-01-09, Bill Bruns-Yahoo wrote: > I am looking for information about the stability of Mailman, It's about as stable as any other mailing list management system that I've seen in the twelve or so years I've been specializing in doing Internet mail systems administration. It's about as stable as any other GNU project I've ever known, and keep in mind that most hardware/OS vendors don't bother to develop their own compilers any more and choose to use gcc (the GNU C Compiler) instead. If you're using Linux, then you should already know about the stability of most GNU projects. Mailman should be in that same ballpark, with regards to stability. The one issue with Mailman is that it is not a commercial program, and there is no commercial support available for it. If you need that, then you need to look elsewhere. Unless you want to provide full-time employment to Barry Warsaw for all your necessary support, that is. > especially > since there are quite a few problems reported on this list. Of course, you're going to see a lot of complaints here about it. This is where people come to get help to solve their problems, and if they're not having any problems, they're unlikely to post much of anything here. > Also about the minimum system requirements to run it. See > Alternatively, if you could suggest a different mail list manager, that > would be useful also. You could always try Listserv, but that's pretty expensive. Even people with large mailing lists (hundreds of thousands of recipients) usually choose to use something else, primarily due to the cost. Once you're over the level of hundreds of thousands of recipients, there aren't many programs left that can handle that kind of load, so you might have no other choice but to use Listserv. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From yd at media-c.de Tue Jan 11 10:52:53 2005 From: yd at media-c.de (Yassen Damyanov) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:52:53 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration question In-Reply-To: <49B2F333F1CAD411B80100B0D0681722094D676C@gsoms01.ccl.org> References: <49B2F333F1CAD411B80100B0D0681722094D676C@gsoms01.ccl.org> Message-ID: <200501111152.53024.yd@media-c.de> On Monday 10 January 2005 22:32, williamsa at leaders.ccl.org wrote: > What do I set to insure that it is a closed list? That is, the list can > only be sent to by administrators and not reply to all on the list. Take a look here: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp Seems that this is what you need. Yassen From sysmda at zim.gsu.edu Tue Jan 11 17:00:31 2005 From: sysmda at zim.gsu.edu (Mike Alberghini) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:00:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad message has killed moderator page Message-ID: <20050111160031.GA2967@zim.gsu.edu> We have hit a problem where a non-ascii character has made Mailman blow up. I have deleted the held messages for the list, but we still get the bug page with the ASCII encoding error. Is there a way to purge the held message info so we can get moderator functions back? I have checked the FAQ with no luck. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. -- Michael Alberghini Software Systems Engineer Georgia State University mike at gsu.edu From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 11 17:26:32 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:26:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad links in admin e-mails In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20050110082911.04687528@jburroughs.org> Message-ID: Peggy O. Dolter wrote: > >When I get list admin messages directing me to this: >http://www.jburroughs.org/mailman/admindb/alum_jbs > >it works alright, but when I get messages directing me to: >http://jbworld/mailman/admindb/mailman > >I get a page that says "This page cannot be displayed." Presumably this is because the domain is "jbworld" and not "www.jburroughs.org" or some other valid domain. This url comes from web_page_url for the list (mailman in this case). This in turn is generated for the list by "plugging" DEFAULT_URL_HOST (or some other url host from VIRTUAL_HOSTS) into the pattern DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN at list creation time. It is not clear how this got messed up in your case, but fix_url.py may fix it assuming your VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary is valid. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp for additional info. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 11 17:32:51 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:32:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] install questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sada siva wrote: >i am attempting to run mailman and i need some help installing - i looked at >some lists that describe how to do it - i am not a total Klutz as i am used >to managing websites and usung my server ineterface, etc. but i am not savvy >in installing scripts and language likre this is a little dauning - >I am sure tha ti can install it- but i do not know where i "add a user >named mailman" for example "add a user" means create the user id on the system that Mailman will run on. If you don't understand this, you need help beyond the scope of this list. Talk to the system administrator of the system. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 11 17:36:35 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:36:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] attatchment reqest In-Reply-To: <20050110135331.C9FD21E400A@bag.python.org> Message-ID: Robert Standley wrote: >I would like the attatchment sent to me. The attachment removal and the messages below have nothing to do with Mailman. > >This is a message from the MailScanner E-Mail Virus Protection Service > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The original e-mail attachment "programs.zip" > >is on the list of unacceptable attachments for this site and has been > >replaced by this warning message. > > > >If you wish to receive a copy of the original attachment, please > >e-mail helpdesk and include the whole of this message > >in your request. Alternatively, you can call them, with > >the contents of this message to hand when you call. > > > >At Mon Jan 10 03:25:17 2005 the virus scanner said: > > MailScanner: Executable DOS/Windows programs are dangerous in email >(WS_FTP95.exe) > > > >Note to Help Desk: Look on the river-yodns-com MailScanner in >/var/spool/MailScanner/quarantine/20050110 (message 1Cnxfd-0003yl-EQ). > >-- > >Postmaster > >MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support > > > >Warning: This message has had one or more attachments removed (WS_FTP95.exe, >programs.zip). Please read the "river-yodns-com-Attachment-Warning.txt" >attachment(s) for more information. > -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 11 18:20:56 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:20:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad message has killed moderator page In-Reply-To: <20050111160031.GA2967@zim.gsu.edu> Message-ID: Mike Alberghini wrote: >We have hit a problem where a non-ascii character has made Mailman blow up. >I have deleted the held messages for the list, but we still get the bug >page with the ASCII encoding error. Is there a way to purge the held message >info so we can get moderator functions back? I have checked the FAQ with no >luck. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. I assume you mean you deleted the data/heldmsg--*.pck files. There is also an entry in data/pending.pck, but this only links the confirmation token back to the held message and shouldn't cause this problem. There is a more detailed entry in lists//request.db which contains the message subject and almost certainly is the cause of the problem. There might be something in qfiles/, but if the message was properly held, this is not likely. I suggest you use bin/dumpdb to verify what's in lists//request.db and assuming it contains nothing you want to keep, just replace it with an 'empty' one from another list. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From drjones at xmission.com Tue Jan 11 20:01:17 2005 From: drjones at xmission.com (Dr. Scott S. Jones) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:01:17 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail In-Reply-To: <1105381017.1398.40.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> References: <246560-22005111014428394@M2W038.mail2web.com> <1105381017.1398.40.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41E4227D.8060404@xmission.com> John: >>Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script. >> >I am unsure how to resolve THIS error=2E I am hoping there is some >configuration file that I can update, instead of having to reconfigure my >Mailman installation entirely=2E=20 > > > >The group information is compiled into the mailman wrapper. You have two >choices, you can either change the group the MTA operates under to match >mailman or rebuild mailman again passing the group in the configure step >as recommended in the error message, this is probably the best solution. >FWIW a complete rebuild of mailman only takes a short while on most >boxes so it shouldn't be to painful, then just install to the same >location, nothing else should be affected although it might be prudent >to stop mailman during the install. > > Thanks for the suggestions. I hate asking but I will. I vaguely understand the 'wrapper' concept, but you lost me in telling me to change the group, I know what a group is in linux, that one may belong to various groups, which permits or denys access and executive privilege based on the group, but i am miffed how to change a group under which some process or application operates. How do I change it's group, or even determine what group it works under? If it's too painful, or complex, and simply reconfiguring Mailman to work better with Exim is preferable, point the way, how to rebuild mailman to include all the right stuff. Thanks for helping and not flaming me.. From erik at ezolan.com Tue Jan 11 00:31:00 2005 From: erik at ezolan.com (erik at ezolan.com) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:31:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup mailman, sending to a new server Message-ID: <34449.127.0.0.1.1105399860.squirrel@127.0.0.1> Hi, looking through the archives, I'm really surprised this hasn't come up sooner. I don't have access to the command line on the server that's running mailman now. Only web interface. I'm moving to a new server where I have access to everything. How do I backup mailman and bring it over? I'm using cpanel and it doesn't make a backup of mailman. I can't run any of the scripts that have been listed here, especially since half of them want software that isn't installed on the old server. I'm really surprised that there is no "Backup list to file" and "Restore list from file" option in the mailman web interface. Even if I did have access to the mailman files, I've found that I've had to re-install half of my software to get it working correctly on the new server, then I'd load from database files all the data. I'm not sure what to do now. I could ask all my members to re-subscribe, but that doesn't feel right. From sbackman at askmoses.com Tue Jan 11 05:19:56 2005 From: sbackman at askmoses.com (S. Backman) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:19:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Delay Message-ID: <20050111042128.F062F1E4002@bag.python.org> I'm running several lists with a combined membership of about 1,000 users. About 4 months ago I suddenly started noticing extreme delays in mail delivery. Originally, we had a turn around time of about 3-5 minutes. Now we are looking at a 45 - 90 minute turn-around on every email. We are posting approximately 100 emails per day. There was no sudden increase in membership or anything else that we can specifically point to that would cause this delay in mail delivery. All mail seems to hit the server within a few minutes but it's held up at the server for all this time until it is finally released. It's either mailman or sendmail - or something else - that's causing this problem. We're not sure what. Anyone seen this issue before? Can you help? Mailman Version: 2.1.3 OS: Redhat Enterprise Linux 3 Dual CPU Xeon processors 1 GB RAM Thanks S. Backman From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Jan 11 22:39:19 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:39:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Delay In-Reply-To: <20050111042128.F062F1E4002@bag.python.org> References: <20050111042128.F062F1E4002@bag.python.org> Message-ID: At 8:19 PM -0800 2005-01-10, S. Backman wrote: > All mail seems to hit the server within > a few minutes but it's held up at the server for all this time until it is > finally released. It's either mailman or sendmail - or something else - > that's causing this problem. We're not sure what. Anyone seen this issue > before? Can you help? Take a look at your logs. See if the delay is inside of Mailman, or the MTA. One problem I've seen in the past is where a queue directory manages to build up to a very large size (perhaps due to an e-mail outage). Because directory entries are used in first-in-first-out order, and the entire directory has to be scanned before the server can be sure that there aren't any more messages to be processed, this can cause significant delays. If you suspect that this is the case for you, you'll need to stop the MTA and Mailman, rename the offending queue directory, create a new one by the same name, make sure the new directory has the same ownership/group/privileges, move over all the contents of the old directory, and then restart Mailman and the MTA. But this is just one possibility. There are any other number of things that could be going wrong, and you need to look at your logs before you can start to get an idea of where the problem really is. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From eric at 101sites.com Tue Jan 11 22:43:36 2005 From: eric at 101sites.com (Eric Elder) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:43:36 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail startup question Message-ID: I found a tuning tip setting (for Sendmail and Mailman) in the Mailman FAQ that I'd like to implement, but I want to check where exactly to make the change. I've include the tip below, but here are my two questions: 1) I've found a startup script on my server at /etc/init.d/sendmail, but I'm not sure where to add these lines (if this is even the right file to add it to?) 2) For the change in the mm_cfg.py, when I define the SMTPPORT = 1313, is the 1313 a fixed value, or is that meant to be the "NNNN" value that I used in the earlier startup script. Here's the tip from the FAQ "6.3. MTA Performance Tuning Tips for Sendmail." It says: ---------------------------------- In your startup script, add: /usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -ODeliveryMode=defer \ -ODaemonPortOptions=Name=MSA,Port=NNNN,M=E,Addr=127.0.0.1 Where NNNN is some port number not otherwise used (you can test if something's in use by doing "telnet localhost NNNN" -- if it's refused, there's no daemon listening) This sets up a sendmail process listening to the alternate port, in DEFER mode, but set to talk only to the localhost interface, so it's not accessible by anyoneother than your local machine: no open relay problems. To make mailman access that port, add this to your mm_cfg.py: # define alternate SMTP port SMTPPORT = 1313 ---------------------------------- And here are the current contents of my file /etc/init.d/sendmail ---------------------------------- #!/bin/bash # # sendmail This shell script takes care of starting and stopping # sendmail. # # chkconfig: 2345 80 30 # description: Sendmail is a Mail Transport Agent, which is the program \ # that moves mail from one machine to another. # processname: sendmail # config: /etc/mail/sendmail.cf # pidfile: /var/run/sendmail.pid # Source function library. . /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions # Source networking configuration. [ -f /etc/sysconfig/network ] && . /etc/sysconfig/network # Source sendmail configureation. if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/sendmail ] ; then . /etc/sysconfig/sendmail else DAEMON=no QUEUE=1h fi [ -z "$SMQUEUE" ] && SMQUEUE="$QUEUE" [ -z "$SMQUEUE" ] && SMQUEUE=1h # Check that networking is up. [ "${NETWORKING}" = "no" ] && exit 0 [ -f /usr/sbin/sendmail ] || exit 0 RETVAL=0 prog="sendmail" start() { # Start daemons. echo -n $"Starting $prog: " if test -x /usr/bin/make -a -f /etc/mail/Makefile ; then make all -C /etc/mail -s else for i in virtusertable access domaintable mailertable ; do if [ -f /etc/mail/$i ] ; then makemap hash /etc/mail/$i < /etc/mail/$i fi done fi /usr/bin/newaliases > /dev/null 2>&1 daemon /usr/sbin/sendmail $([ "x$DAEMON" = xyes ] && echo -bd) \ $([ -n "$QUEUE" ] && echo -q$QUEUE) $SENDMAIL_OPTARG RETVAL=$? echo [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ] && touch /var/lock/subsys/sendmail if ! test -f /var/run/sm-client.pid ; then echo -n $"Starting sm-client: " touch /var/run/sm-client.pid chown smmsp:smmsp /var/run/sm-client.pid daemon --check sm-client /usr/sbin/sendmail -L sm-msp-queue -Ac \ -q $SMQUEUE $SENDMAIL_OPTARG RETVAL=$? echo [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ] && touch /var/lock/subsys/sm-client fi return $RETVAL } stop() { # Stop daemons. echo -n $"Shutting down $prog: " killproc sendmail RETVAL=$? echo [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ] && rm -f /var/lock/subsys/sendmail if test -f /var/run/sm-client.pid ; then echo -n $"Shutting down sm-client: " killproc sm-client RETVAL=$? echo [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ] && rm -f /var/run/sm-client.pid [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ] && rm -f /var/lock/subsys/sm-client fi return $RETVAL } # See how we were called. case "$1" in start) start ;; stop) stop ;; restart|reload) stop start RETVAL=$? ;; condrestart) if [ -f /var/lock/subsys/sendmail ]; then stop start RETVAL=$? fi ;; status) status sendmail RETVAL=$? ;; *) echo $"Usage: $0 {start|stop|restart|condrestart|status}" exit 1 esac exit $RETVAL --------------------------------- Thanks, Eric From jwt at onjapan.net Wed Jan 12 07:45:13 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:45:13 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup mailman, sending to a new server In-Reply-To: <34449.127.0.0.1.1105399860.squirrel@127.0.0.1> References: <34449.127.0.0.1.1105399860.squirrel@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <82CE5F78-6465-11D9-A366-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Jan 11, 2005, at 08:31, erik at ezolan.com wrote: > How do I backup mailman and bring it over? I'm using cpanel and it > doesn't > make a backup of mailman. I can't run any of the scripts that have been If you don't have access to the filesystem, you won't be able to move the contents of the lists directory. You could resort to scripting a local machine to visit the administrator's web interface and copy all of the subscribers (and their settings), and then upload them to your new server. Some examples of this type of scripting are available at: http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#throughtheweb This only requires that your local machine have Python installed, and requires nothing of the servers beyond Mailman. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From yd at media-c.de Wed Jan 12 08:55:50 2005 From: yd at media-c.de (Yassen Damyanov) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:55:50 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Identical list names on milti-virtual-domains host In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200501120955.50442.yd@media-c.de> On Monday 10 January 2005 18:48, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > There is a similar patch (mentioned in FAQ article 4.47) at > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=943827&group_id=103&atid=300103 > > You might look at this too in case you haven't already. It also patches > bin/newlist which cPanel may not use. Exactly. Thank you Mark for your patient reminder to try this patch as well. I did and it seems to WORK!! I think so and I DO HOPE so, as this will be a real relief in a difficult situation. I noticed some mailfunctions but I think that all I could see so far are acceptable and we can live with them. Examples: -- command line tools like list_lists ot list_members do not recognize identically named lists (but newlist and rmlist seem to work fine) -- I can go directly to list member profile page without being asked for authentication -- I could even enter arbitrary email with non-existent domain to request an "unsubscribe" action and the system told me that a confirmation of unsubscribal has been sent to the "user" I look forward for a mailman version that has this all fixed and working fine... Thanks again to everybody who was willing to help! (If anyone's interested, I can post the patch as it is against 2.1.5.) Yassen From glen.low at pixelglow.com Wed Jan 12 12:05:25 2005 From: glen.low at pixelglow.com (Glen Low) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:05:25 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fetchmail? + mailmain + SMTP on different servers Message-ID: Dear All, This seems elementary but I can't figure out how to do it. Nor could I google it out either... A web hosting company hosts my domain.com. I also have an ISP which sends out email for me, running SMTP at say, isp.com. I want to set up a list list at domain.com, but run Mailman on my own servers. Presumeably I need to get fetchmail to retrieve the email via POP and pass it onto Mailman, but how to configure this? Is this possible NOT to run any MTA on my own server? Is there a how-to or FAQ somewhere which goes through some detail on this? Cheers, Glen Low --- pixelglow software | simply brilliant stuff www.pixelglow.com From sythos at sythos.net Wed Jan 12 12:35:25 2005 From: sythos at sythos.net (Sythos) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:35:25 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fetchmail? + mailmain + SMTP on different servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050112113525.GA5549@sythos.net> On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 07:05:25PM +0800, Glen Low wrote: > I want to set up a list list at domain.com, but run Mailman on my own > servers. Presumeably I need to get fetchmail to retrieve the email via > POP and pass it onto Mailman, but how to configure this? Is this > possible NOT to run any MTA on my own server? You need a MTA anyway, correctly configured (i suggest postfix). Fetchmail do only one job, get email from remote pop3/imap and pass it to local MTA, so, if you install a MTa end configured it as specified in MM documentation, you haven't any kind of problem. If you have a static IP (and only if you have one) and a flat connection you can evaluate a dynamic 2? level domain like yourname.homelinux.com, don't do this if you have a dinamic ip or if your server isn't connected 24h/24h. If you CANNOT install any MTA I think is impossible to run MM... Regards, Sythos -- Sythos - http://www.sythos.net () ASCII Ribbon Campaign - against html/rtf/vCard in mail /\ - against M$ attachments From glen.low at pixelglow.com Wed Jan 12 13:26:12 2005 From: glen.low at pixelglow.com (Glen Low) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:26:12 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fetchmail? + mailmain + SMTP on different servers In-Reply-To: <20050112113525.GA5549@sythos.net> References: <20050112113525.GA5549@sythos.net> Message-ID: <2565BD74-6495-11D9-9266-000D9337BC48@pixelglow.com> On 12/01/2005, at 7:35 PM, Sythos wrote: > On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 07:05:25PM +0800, Glen Low wrote: >> I want to set up a list list at domain.com, but run Mailman on my own >> servers. Presumeably I need to get fetchmail to retrieve the email via >> POP and pass it onto Mailman, but how to configure this? Is this >> possible NOT to run any MTA on my own server? > > You need a MTA anyway, correctly configured (i suggest postfix). > Fetchmail do only one job, get email from remote pop3/imap and pass it > to local MTA, so, if you install a MTa end configured it as specified > in > MM documentation, you haven't any kind of problem. OK, is there some trivial MTA I can run e.g. procmail, would that be suitable? How does Mailman actually retrieve the email meant to be sent to list at domain.com anyway? > > If you have a static IP (and only if you have one) and a flat > connection > you can evaluate a dynamic 2? level domain like yourname.homelinux.com, > don't do this if you have a dinamic ip or if your server isn't > connected > 24h/24h. > > If you CANNOT install any MTA I think is impossible to run MM... Well I'm seriously thinking of it. I'm just wary of the whole business of leaving a SMTP server open on the Internet. Cheers, Glen Low --- pixelglow software | simply brilliant stuff www.pixelglow.com From jwt at OnJapan.net Wed Jan 12 14:30:10 2005 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:30:10 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fetchmail? + mailmain + SMTP on different servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050112133010.GB31850@server.onjapan.net> On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 07:05:25PM +0800, Glen Low wrote: > I want to set up a list list at domain.com, but run Mailman on my own > servers. Presumeably I need to get fetchmail to retrieve the email via > POP and pass it onto Mailman, but how to configure this? Is this > possible NOT to run any MTA on my own server? A couple of months back someone on IRC reported success doing this using getmail's mda_external feature to inject the mail directly into the Mailman mail wrappers. I think it would be a lot less hassle (and fewer chances for misconfiguration) to just run a minimal installation of the mail server of your choice to handle incoming mail for Mailman. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From tonyric at mitre.org Wed Jan 12 15:11:59 2005 From: tonyric at mitre.org (Tony Ricciotti) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:11:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman to create a readonly archive Message-ID: <41E5302F.5020404@mitre.org> I have a mailing list on the inside of my company and need to create a readonly replica on the outside. Unfortunately the list inside is not running mailman so I cannot just move the flat files. I know I can create the external archive as a user on the internal site and receive messages this way, but I have another question on this. I need users to be able to subscribe/unsubscribe using the external site as well. How can I redirect everything so that the subscription requests are sent to the internal server instead of being handled locally? I have already changed the mailto: link, but we would like to use the webform as well. Thanks in advance: Tony Ricciotti From kabads at gmail.com Wed Jan 12 17:18:31 2005 From: kabads at gmail.com (Adam Cripps) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:18:31 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating from one server to another In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:37:12 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Andreas Freyvogel wrote: > > > > >I have Mailman installed and configured to work fine and I copied over my > >lists to the appropriate folder. The issue I am having is that when I go to > >Mailman/admin I am not seeing any of my lists. If I go to a specific list by > >name I see that all the information is there. > > > >Am I missing a step in letting mailman know about the lists? > > If your new server is in a different domain, you probably need to run > fix_url.py. > > >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Another post mentioned article 3.4, and article 4.29 may also be > relevant. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > We are looking at the Suse SLES 8 Enterprise package of mailman (which is version 2.0.14-21) and am puzzled on how to run it. Is there any documentation with this package? Is this just a source distribution requiring compilation? If so, how do you go about this? Any help appreciated. TIA Adam -- http://www.monkeez.org GPG key: 7111B833 From jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe Wed Jan 12 18:50:13 2005 From: jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Zapata?=) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:50:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incoming queue, and how to flush it. References: <41E5302F.5020404@mitre.org> Message-ID: <007d01c4f8cf$38621fd0$fd01a8c0@aciprensa.com> Hello. I just sent a message to one of my lists. It's sitting down into mailman's incoming queue, and not going out. The Sendmail queue is empty, and this message is the only one in the mailman's in queue. So, why does Mailman keep it in the queue? And how can I do to 'force send' the message? Thanks Jos? ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Ricciotti To: mailman-users at python.org Cc: Brant Cheikes Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:11 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman to create a readonly archive I have a mailing list on the inside of my company and need to create a readonly replica on the outside. Unfortunately the list inside is not running mailman so I cannot just move the flat files. I know I can create the external archive as a user on the internal site and receive messages this way, but I have another question on this. I need users to be able to subscribe/unsubscribe using the external site as well. How can I redirect everything so that the subscription requests are sent to the internal server instead of being handled locally? I have already changed the mailto: link, but we would like to use the webform as well. Thanks in advance: Tony Ricciotti ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From yd at media-c.de Wed Jan 12 20:56:54 2005 From: yd at media-c.de (Yassen Damyanov) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:56:54 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "true-virtual" patch mailfunction: need help Message-ID: <200501122156.54623.yd@media-c.de> After appliying a patch that was essentially what I found at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=943827&group_id=103&atid=300103 when trying to edit the general preferences of a list at https://mydomain.com/mailman/admin/mylist/general I get: Error: real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name by case only So the new attributes are not saved. When I change the real name of the lits from 'test' to 'test-mudomain.com' the page data is saved but the whole thing breaks afterwards. Can anyone suggest a fix to this or a workaround? Thanks in advance! Yassen ------------------------ The differences of the code I run against 2.1.5 original code: --- ./bin/newlist.ORIG 2005-01-11 18:20:23.000000000 +0100 +++ ./bin/newlist 2005-01-12 20:41:20.000000000 +0100 @@ -126,7 +126,7 @@ host_name = None web_page_url = None if '@' in listname: - listname, domain = listname.split('@', 1) + firstname, domain = listname.split('@', 1) host_name = mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOSTS.get(domain, domain) web_page_url = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN % domain --- ./Mailman/MailList.py.ORIG 2005-01-11 18:25:09.000000000 +0100 +++ ./Mailman/MailList.py 2005-01-12 20:43:38.000000000 +0100 @@ -183,9 +183,16 @@ return self._full_path def getListAddress(self, extra=None): - if extra is None: - return '%s@%s' % (self.internal_name(), self.host_name) - return '%s-%s@%s' % (self.internal_name(), extra, self.host_name) + posting_addr = self.internal_name() + try: + posting_addr = self.real_name + except: + pass + if extra is None: + # return '%s@%s' % (self.internal_name(), self.host_name) + #return '%s-%s@%s' % (self.internal_name(), extra, self.host_name) + return '%s@%s' % (posting_addr, self.host_name) + return '%s-%s@%s' % (posting_addr, extra, self.host_name) # For backwards compatibility def GetBouncesEmail(self): @@ -434,8 +441,6 @@ # def Create(self, name, admin, crypted_password, langs=None, emailhost=None): - if Utils.list_exists(name): - raise Errors.MMListAlreadyExistsError, name # Validate what will be the list's posting address. If that's # invalid, we don't want to create the mailing list. The hostname # part doesn't really matter, since that better already be valid. # the admin's email address, so transform the exception. if emailhost is None: emailhost = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST - postingaddr = '%s@%s' % (name, emailhost) + firstname = name + domain = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST + # we set a special name for virtual hosted lists + if '@' in name: + firstname, domain = name.split('@', 1) + name = "%s-%s" % (firstname, domain) + # but we keep a sensible posting address + postingaddr = '%s@%s' % (firstname, domain) try: Utils.ValidateEmail(postingaddr) except Errors.MMBadEmailError: raise Errors.BadListNameError, postingaddr # Validate the admin's email address Utils.ValidateEmail(admin) + if Utils.list_exists(name): + raise Errors.MMListAlreadyExistsError, name self._internal_name = name self._full_path = Site.get_listpath(name, create=1) # Don't use Lock() since that tries to load the non-existant config.pck self.__lock.lock() self.InitVars(name, admin, crypted_password) + # this is for getListAddress + self.list_address = postingaddr + self.real_name = firstname + self.subject_prefix = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_SUBJECT_PREFIX % self.__dict__ self.CheckValues() if langs is None: self.available_languages = [self.preferred_language] @@ -1279,7 +1297,7 @@ to or cc addrs.""" # BAW: fall back to Utils.ParseAddr if the first test fails. # this is the list's full address - listfullname = '%s@%s' % (self.internal_name(), self.host_name) + listfullname = self.getListAddress() recips = [] # check all recipient addresses against the list's explicit addresses, # specifically To: Cc: and Resent-to: From jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe Wed Jan 12 21:00:58 2005 From: jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe (=?utf-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Zapata?=) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:00:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incoming queue, and how to flush it. References: <41E5302F.5020404@mitre.org> <007d01c4f8cf$38621fd0$fd01a8c0@aciprensa.com> <1105553212.3265.11.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <00fd01c4f8e1$70e25e30$fd01a8c0@aciprensa.com> Well, mailmanctl is running, and a bunch of python processes are running, but for some odd reason I still have one message in the qfiles/in queue. Jos? ----- Original Message ----- From: John Dennis To: Jos? Zapata Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Incoming queue, and how to flush it. On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 12:50, Jos? Zapata wrote: > Hello. > > I just sent a message to one of my lists. It's sitting down into mailman's incoming queue, and not going out. The Sendmail queue is empty, and this message is the only one in the mailman's in queue. So, why does Mailman keep it in the queue? And how can I do to 'force send' the message? Are your queue runners running? These are started and watched by mailmanctl. -- John Dennis From jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe Wed Jan 12 21:13:32 2005 From: jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe (=?utf-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Zapata?=) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:13:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incoming queue, and how to flush it. References: <41E5302F.5020404@mitre.org><007d01c4f8cf$38621fd0$fd01a8c0@aciprensa.com><1105553212.3265.11.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> <00fd01c4f8e1$70e25e30$fd01a8c0@aciprensa.com> Message-ID: <010c01c4f8e3$312d3f10$fd01a8c0@aciprensa.com> Oh, and another thing: the file name in the qfiles/in queue keeps changing, but it's the same message. Jos? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jos? Zapata To: John Dennis Cc: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Incoming queue, and how to flush it. Well, mailmanctl is running, and a bunch of python processes are running, but for some odd reason I still have one message in the qfiles/in queue. Jos? ----- Original Message ----- From: John Dennis To: Jos? Zapata Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Incoming queue, and how to flush it. On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 12:50, Jos? Zapata wrote: > Hello. > > I just sent a message to one of my lists. It's sitting down into mailman's incoming queue, and not going out. The Sendmail queue is empty, and this message is the only one in the mailman's in queue. So, why does Mailman keep it in the queue? And how can I do to 'force send' the message? Are your queue runners running? These are started and watched by mailmanctl. -- John Dennis ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From Easy1 at waterplanet.ws Wed Jan 12 21:25:41 2005 From: Easy1 at waterplanet.ws (Easy) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:25:41 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting For Implicit Destination In-Reply-To: <20050110213705.CA1101E4010@bag.python.org> References: <20050110213705.CA1101E4010@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <41E587C5.9070100@waterplanet.ws> Where is the setting to allow 'Implicit Destinations' without going through the moderator? What specifically is an implicit destination? (in this case the message was sent bcc since there were others the message was going to. --- As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: Reason: Message has implicit destination From Easy1 at waterplanet.ws Wed Jan 12 21:31:19 2005 From: Easy1 at waterplanet.ws (Easy) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:31:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Application To Send Image Links not embed the image in the email In-Reply-To: <20050110213705.CA1101E4010@bag.python.org> References: <20050110213705.CA1101E4010@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <41E58917.4080302@waterplanet.ws> Does anyone know of any email applications that will send out html with a link to an image. The newer versions of Mozilla replaces html links to web based images with the image as part of the email. This ads considerable size to the emails. The link to a web image works fine in Netscape 4.7. What more modern email applications offer this feature? --- From jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe Wed Jan 12 21:45:07 2005 From: jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe (=?utf-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Zapata?=) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:45:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incoming queue, and how to flush it. References: <41E5302F.5020404@mitre.org><007d01c4f8cf$38621fd0$fd01a8c0@aciprensa.com><1105553212.3265.11.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> <00fd01c4f8e1$70e25e30$fd01a8c0@aciprensa.com> Message-ID: <014b01c4f8e7$a0187df0$fd01a8c0@aciprensa.com> Oooookay, the qfiles/in queue keeps looping onto itself, the messages never get out. I don't know what's happening, but I need those &&*^%#! messages to get out. Jos? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jos? Zapata To: John Dennis Cc: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Incoming queue, and how to flush it. Well, mailmanctl is running, and a bunch of python processes are running, but for some odd reason I still have one message in the qfiles/in queue. Jos? ----- Original Message ----- From: John Dennis To: Jos? Zapata Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Incoming queue, and how to flush it. On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 12:50, Jos? Zapata wrote: > Hello. > > I just sent a message to one of my lists. It's sitting down into mailman's incoming queue, and not going out. The Sendmail queue is empty, and this message is the only one in the mailman's in queue. So, why does Mailman keep it in the queue? And how can I do to 'force send' the message? Are your queue runners running? These are started and watched by mailmanctl. -- John Dennis ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From lynn at siprelle.com Thu Jan 13 00:35:12 2005 From: lynn at siprelle.com (Lynn Siprelle) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:35:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP! upgrade troubles Message-ID: <9AC9A86E-64F2-11D9-8692-000A95BCF76A@siprelle.com> I've seen this problem referenced in the archives but no solutions given. I'm upgrading from 2.1.2 to 2.1.5 on a FreeBSD box. I keep getting this: Updating Usenet watermarks - nothing to update here Nothing to do. updating old qfiles Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 780, in ? errors = main() File "bin/update", line 709, in main update_qfiles() File "bin/update", line 441, in update_qfiles msg, data = dequeue(filebase) File "bin/update", line 497, in dequeue msg = cPickle.load(msgfp) EOFError *** Error code 1 My Mailman is critical; please help. Lynn S. ------ Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.knitting911.net From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Thu Jan 13 01:08:43 2005 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:08:43 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP! upgrade troubles In-Reply-To: <9AC9A86E-64F2-11D9-8692-000A95BCF76A@siprelle.com> References: <9AC9A86E-64F2-11D9-8692-000A95BCF76A@siprelle.com> Message-ID: <41E5BC0B.8080702@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Lynn Siprelle wrote: > I've seen this problem referenced in the archives but no solutions > given. I'm upgrading from 2.1.2 to 2.1.5 on a FreeBSD box. I keep > getting this: > > Updating Usenet watermarks > - nothing to update here > Nothing to do. > updating old qfiles I guess some bad message is in the qfiles directory. Try save (or delete) files in qfiles/* and re-run update. Make sure that mailman qrunners are stopped. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From lynn at siprelle.com Thu Jan 13 01:34:21 2005 From: lynn at siprelle.com (Lynn Siprelle) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:34:21 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP! upgrade troubles In-Reply-To: <41E5BC0B.8080702@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <9AC9A86E-64F2-11D9-8692-000A95BCF76A@siprelle.com> <41E5BC0B.8080702@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: > Lynn Siprelle wrote: >> I've seen this problem referenced in the archives but no solutions >> given. I'm upgrading from 2.1.2 to 2.1.5 on a FreeBSD box. I keep >> getting this: >> Updating Usenet watermarks >> - nothing to update here >> Nothing to do. >> updating old qfiles > > I guess some bad message is in the qfiles directory. > Try save (or delete) files in qfiles/* and re-run update. > Make sure that mailman qrunners are stopped. Arigato, Kikuchi-san, that seems to have done the trick. :) Now I have new problems but that's another search. Lynn S. ------ Lynn Siprelle * web developer, writer, mama, fiber junky http://www.siprelle.com * http://www.thenewhomemaker.com http://www.democracyfororegon.com * http://www.knitting911.net From msapiro at value.net Thu Jan 13 04:50:51 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:50:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting For Implicit Destination In-Reply-To: <41E587C5.9070100@waterplanet.ws> Message-ID: Easy wrote: >Where is the setting to allow 'Implicit Destinations' without going >through the moderator? require_explicit_destination on the admin Privacy options...->Recipient filters page. >What specifically is an implicit destination? >(in this case the message was sent bcc since there were others the >message was going to. A message which doesn't include the list address explicitly in To: or Cc:. To avoid this without changing options, just address the message to the list with Bcc: to the other recipients. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From hengr at hotpop.com Wed Jan 12 22:56:59 2005 From: hengr at hotpop.com (Henrik Grimm) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:56:59 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender address modified Message-ID: <41E59D2B.7080602@hotpop.com> On our mailing lists some members get mails with the sender listed as "-bounces@" instead of the actual sender. This is a problem since if they reply to the mail it does not get to the one who sent it. What is the reason for this and how can it be avoided? /Henrik From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Jan 13 18:28:28 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:28:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender address modified In-Reply-To: <41E59D2B.7080602@hotpop.com> References: <41E59D2B.7080602@hotpop.com> Message-ID: At 10:56 PM +0100 2005-01-12, Henrik Grimm wrote: > On our mailing lists some members get mails with the sender listed as > "-bounces@" instead of the actual sender. This is a > problem since if they reply to the mail it does not get to the one who > sent it. What is the reason for this and how can it be avoided? If you had followed the instructions at , you should have turned up the relevant FAQ entry at . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From davide-bounce- at shaney.it Thu Jan 13 10:40:42 2005 From: davide-bounce- at shaney.it (Davide) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:40:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send all deletes messages marked as defer Message-ID: <1105609242.41e6421af1b3f@www.shaney.net> Last time I approved a message (leaving others as defer) such messages was sent succesfully, but all others disappeared but the check below the "send all" button wasn't checked. I'm unable to reproduce such error and since I'm using mailman since 2003 and I never had the problem I just described I would know if anyone have any idea on what happened or how can I recover lost messages, if I can. Thanks in advance, Davide From nigel_wix at hotmail.com Thu Jan 13 20:12:14 2005 From: nigel_wix at hotmail.com (Nigel Wix) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:12:14 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Question Message-ID: Hi there, I have a question regarding the MailMan mailinglist software. Is there anyway I can setup the software so that I'm the only one who can send message to the list. I want to be the only one who can send message to the whole list. I want the list to be set up in a way that only the administrator can send the messages to the list. Is there anyways to do this? Thank you for your time. Take Care, Nigel Wix _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Jan 13 21:31:08 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:31:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send all deletes messages marked as defer In-Reply-To: <1105609242.41e6421af1b3f@www.shaney.net> References: <1105609242.41e6421af1b3f@www.shaney.net> Message-ID: At 10:40 AM +0100 2005-01-13, Davide wrote: > I'm unable to reproduce such error and since I'm using mailman since 2003 > and I never had the problem I just described I would know if anyone have > any idea on what happened or how can I recover lost messages, if I can. I don't have any idea what happened, but the only way there would be anything left would be if Mailman moved the messages from one subdirectory in /usr/local/mailman/qfiles to another, as opposed to just outright deleting them. You can go rooting around in there to see if you find any trace of them, but I think that's unlikely. I'm sorry, I wish I had better news for you. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Jan 13 21:34:47 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:34:47 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 7:12 PM +0000 2005-01-13, Nigel Wix wrote: > Is there anyway I can setup the software so that I'm the only one who > can send message to the list. I want to be the only one who can send > message to the whole list. I want the list to be set up in a way that > only the administrator can send the messages to the list. Is there > anyways to do this? If you follow the instructions at and search the FAQ Wizard at for "announcement", you should arrive at FAQ 3.11. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From msapiro at value.net Fri Jan 14 05:17:23 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:17:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suse SLES 8 Enterprise package was: Migrating from one server to another In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Adam Cripps wrote: > >We are looking at the Suse SLES 8 Enterprise package of mailman (which >is version 2.0.14-21) and am puzzled on how to run it. Is there any >documentation with this package? Is this just a source distribution >requiring compilation? If so, how do you go about this? These are all questions for whoever prepared/distributed the package, not really for this (Mailman-Users) list. You should be aware however that this package is presumably based on Mailman 2.0.14 which is quite old. The current version is 2.1.5 with 2.1.6 to be released imminently. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Jan 14 05:40:51 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:40:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fetchmail? + mailmain + SMTP on different servers In-Reply-To: <2565BD74-6495-11D9-9266-000D9337BC48@pixelglow.com> Message-ID: Glen Low wrote: > >OK, is there some trivial MTA I can run e.g. procmail, would that be >suitable? How does Mailman actually retrieve the email meant to be sent >to list at domain.com anyway? Usually, the incoming MTA at domain.com runs on the same or a tightly coupled server as Mailman and via aliases pipes the incoming mail to mailman wrappers. e.g. mail to list at domain.com is piped to .../mailman/mail/mailman post list mail to list-admin at domain.com is piped to .../mailman/mail/mailman admin list and similarly for list-bounces, -confirm, -join, -leave, -owner, -request, -subscribe and -unsubscribe. If the MTA runs elsewhere and you can retrieve the incoming mail with fetchmail and run it through procmail, you can use procmail to pipe it to the wrapper appropriately. Here's a skeleton of what we actually use in .procmailrc for a list named LISTNAME # Earlier in .procmailrc EnvelopeTo = $1 # LISTNAME mailman list.... :E * EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME$ |sudo -u mailman /www/grizz/mailman/mail/mailman post LISTNAME :E * EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-admin$ |sudo -u mailman /www/grizz/mailman/mail/mailman admin LISTNAME :E * EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-bounces$ |sudo -u mailman /www/grizz/mailman/mail/mailman bounces LISTNAME :E * EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-confirm$ |sudo -u mailman /www/grizz/mailman/mail/mailman confirm LISTNAME :E * EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-join$ |sudo -u mailman /www/grizz/mailman/mail/mailman join LISTNAME :E * EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-leave$ |sudo -u mailman /www/grizz/mailman/mail/mailman leave LISTNAME :E * EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-owner$ |sudo -u mailman /www/grizz/mailman/mail/mailman owner LISTNAME :E * EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-request$ |sudo -u mailman /www/grizz/mailman/mail/mailman request LISTNAME :E * EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-subscribe$ |sudo -u mailman /www/grizz/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe LISTNAME :E * EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-unsubscribe$ |sudo -u mailman /www/grizz/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe LISTNAME -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Jan 14 05:57:26 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:57:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Application To Send Image Links not embed theimage in the email In-Reply-To: <41E58917.4080302@waterplanet.ws> Message-ID: Easy wrote: > >The newer versions of Mozilla replaces html links to web based images >with the image as part of the email. This ads considerable size to the >emails. The link to a web image works fine in Netscape 4.7. Are you sure this isn't some preferences setting or something outside of Mozilla? It doesn't happen to me with Netscape 7.2/Mozilla 5.0. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From Easy1 at waterplanet.ws Fri Jan 14 06:17:48 2005 From: Easy1 at waterplanet.ws (Easy) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:17:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Application To Send Image Links not embed theimage in the email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41E755FC.6040405@waterplanet.ws> In Netscape 4.75 the setting is with each image. In the Mozilla 1.85 I don't find a preference or a check box to obtain the image from a web address instead of embedding the image in the email. If anyone knows of an email aplication that does this let me know. === Mark Sapiro wrote: >Easy wrote: > > >>The newer versions of Mozilla replaces html links to web based images >>with the image as part of the email. This ads considerable size to the >>emails. The link to a web image works fine in Netscape 4.7. >> >> > >Are you sure this isn't some preferences setting or something outside >of Mozilla? It doesn't happen to me with Netscape 7.2/Mozilla 5.0. > >-- >Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > > > > > From yd at media-c.de Fri Jan 14 09:56:38 2005 From: yd at media-c.de (Yassen Damyanov) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:56:38 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Identical list names on milti-virtual-domains host In-Reply-To: References: <200501101042.07249.yd@media-c.de> Message-ID: <200501141056.38711.yd@media-c.de> On Tuesday 11 January 2005 08:06, you wrote: > On Jan 10, 2005, at 17:42, Yassen Damyanov wrote: > > > Unfortunately, it didn't work. No change in the behavior in case of > > identical list names for different domains. Thus I am in a big trouble: > > I was told mailman supports virtual domains so without a second thought > > I migrated tens of domains to a machine running postfix 2.1 / apache2 / > > mailman 2.1.5. Several mailing lists have the same name and differ only > > by domain. Really bad ... > > Another alternative is to run multiple instances of Mailman on the > machine. That can have advantages if you need different defaults for > different domains, want different list creator passwords, etc. Jim, thank you for your suggestion. Seem like my last resort... Unfortunately I stumble in many problems with the second patch (as already reported in another thread but didn't get response). For example: mailman at prodo mailman $ bin/withlist -l newsletter at mydomain.com Loading list newsletter at mydomain.com (locked) Unknown list: newsletter at mydomain.com The variable `m' is the newsletter at mydomain.com MailList instance >>> mailman at prodo mailman $ bin/withlist -l newsletter Loading list newsletter (locked) Unknown list: newsletter The variable `m' is the newsletter MailList instance >>> Both don't work. The web interface also doesn't work (at least some pages don't). Generally, maintaining tens of mailman instances seemed a bad idea, but that remains my last resort (ohh if I knew earlier for this limitation..) Can anybody point me to a good reading about setting up multiple mailman instances on the same machine? Thanks in advance! Yassen From pamtonopah at netzero.net Fri Jan 14 02:14:28 2005 From: pamtonopah at netzero.net (pamtonopah) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:14:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking replies & Blocking View Access to mail list Message-ID: <000001c4f9d6$6648c860$3e493542@MonSuns> Good Evening, 2 questions - 1. How do we block people on the mailing list from looking at the entire list? 2. When someone wants to reply to a mailing they received from the community list, how do we set it to where it goes to a designated person and not everyone on the list. Thanks Phyllis Monson From glen.low at pixelglow.com Fri Jan 14 11:25:23 2005 From: glen.low at pixelglow.com (Glen Low) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:25:23 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fetchmail? + mailmain + SMTP on different servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99B2FC5C-6616-11D9-9266-000D9337BC48@pixelglow.com> On 14/01/2005, at 12:40 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Glen Low wrote: >> >> OK, is there some trivial MTA I can run e.g. procmail, would that be >> suitable? How does Mailman actually retrieve the email meant to be >> sent >> to list at domain.com anyway? > > Usually, the incoming MTA at domain.com runs on the same or a tightly > coupled server as Mailman and via aliases pipes the incoming mail to > mailman wrappers. > > e.g. mail to list at domain.com is piped to > .../mailman/mail/mailman post list > mail to list-admin at domain.com is piped to > .../mailman/mail/mailman admin list > and similarly for list-bounces, -confirm, -join, -leave, -owner, > -request, -subscribe and -unsubscribe. > > If the MTA runs elsewhere and you can retrieve the incoming mail with > fetchmail and run it through procmail, you can use procmail to pipe it > to the wrapper appropriately. Thanks that was very helpful, shall try to see if that works. More qns, especially since you seem to have the same sort of setup: 1. Can I get Mailman to send mail to an SMTP server on another machine? 2. Does Mailman require a FQDN for itself? (If I don't run a full MTA then it seems to me I don't need to have a domain name or static IP.) 3. The CGI's that serve as the web interface, do they require that the rest of the Mailman machinery be on the same machine? Cheers, Glen Low --- pixelglow software | simply brilliant stuff www.pixelglow.com From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Jan 14 11:28:51 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:28:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking replies & Blocking View Access to mail list In-Reply-To: <000001c4f9d6$6648c860$3e493542@MonSuns> References: <000001c4f9d6$6648c860$3e493542@MonSuns> Message-ID: At 6:14 PM -0700 2005-01-13, pamtonopah wrote: > 1. How do we block people on the mailing list from looking at the > entire list? In the web admin interface for the list, go to "Privacy Options", then scroll down to the "Membership Exposure" section. There should be a setting for "Who can view subscription list?" You probably want to set this to be "List admin only". > 2. When someone wants to reply to a mailing they received from the > community list, how do we set it to where it goes to a designated person > and not everyone on the list. In the web admin interface, on the main page, scroll down to "Reply-To: header munging". Configure the first radio button in that section to be "No" (because you don't want to strip any existing "Reply-To:" headers), and set the second one to be "Poster" (because you want replies to go back to the original poster, as opposed to being forced to go back to the list). Note that there is a Mailman List Administrator's manual at , and site administrators will also be interested in the Installation Manual at . There is also the Mailman FAQ Wizard at , and you can search the archives of the list via the instructions at . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Jan 14 11:43:14 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:43:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fetchmail? + mailmain + SMTP on different servers In-Reply-To: <99B2FC5C-6616-11D9-9266-000D9337BC48@pixelglow.com> References: <99B2FC5C-6616-11D9-9266-000D9337BC48@pixelglow.com> Message-ID: At 6:25 PM +0800 2005-01-14, Glen Low wrote: > 1. Can I get Mailman to send mail to an SMTP server on another machine? Yup. No problem. Just set appropriately the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST in the mm_cfg.py file. Or, you could configure the local MTA to dump all outgoing mail on a relay server (perhaps provided by your ISP). Or you could do both. > 2. Does Mailman require a FQDN for itself? (If I don't run a full MTA > then it seems to me I don't need to have a domain name or static IP.) Not really. I mean, you need to have full domain names that the machine is going to pretend to be, defined in the mm_cfg.py file, but those don't actually have to have much to do with the hostname of the machine, etc.... Just make sure that the mail and web servers on the machine are configured to match. > 3. The CGI's that serve as the web interface, do they require that the > rest of the Mailman machinery be on the same machine? No, you could have the web stuff on one machine and the mail stuff on another, perhaps shared via NFS. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From msapiro at value.net Fri Jan 14 17:44:06 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:44:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fetchmail? + mailmain + SMTP on different servers In-Reply-To: <99B2FC5C-6616-11D9-9266-000D9337BC48@pixelglow.com> Message-ID: Glen Low wrote: > >Thanks that was very helpful, shall try to see if that works. > >More qns, especially since you seem to have the same sort of setup: Just for the record - I don't really have the same sort of setup. I have Mailman running in a virtual domain on the host machine. Apache and sendmail run globally on the same machine. When we set up Mailman, we already had procmail processing the mail to this domain so it seemed natural to use procmail for Mailman rather than sendmail aliases. That way, someone who creates a list only needs access to .procmailrc in our domain rather than the global sendmail aliases. Brad has already replied to your questions on the list, and I can't really go beyond what he said. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From gaurav at gold-solutions.co.uk Fri Jan 14 14:51:11 2005 From: gaurav at gold-solutions.co.uk (gaurav_gold) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:51:11 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman issues Message-ID: <003c01c4fa40$1d99b4c0$94592252@gaurav7klgnyif> Dear Sir/Madam, I have had recent problems with mailman as it kept looping the emails to the users twice. I had then realised people who replied to the mailing list went to everyone on the list also making it all look like spam. How can people reply to the mailing list? How do i turn off this feature? How can i also enable a feature where if someone replies the newsletter the email gets deleted? I also wanted to know how to do a quick unsubscribe feature so if people reply using the subject line -unsubscribe... it unsubscribes them. How can i get this done? Thanks Gaurav Malhotra ----------------------------- Website: http://www.gold-solutions.co.uk Email: Gaurav at gold-solutions.co.uk ---------------------------------------------- For those of you who were affected by the multiple Gold Solutions email. I would first like to apologise deeply about this. The problem had occurred as i was just intending to send one email to a newsgroup. The system got corrupted and kept looping it all. While looping someone had managed to reply to the newsletter and whatever was put down was sent to all on the list. This problem has been dealt with and you have now been reassured it wont happen again. The last email should have been some BT email with some bad language at 18:10pm. (Of a total 12 emails) You may have the right to forward this signature in between the dashes (---- ...), to those whom you believe may have encountered this problem as well. Please keep in mind Gold Solutions are not spammers and have never intended to spam anybody. ------------------------- From michelle at telebill.com Fri Jan 14 17:07:20 2005 From: michelle at telebill.com (Michelle Palazzoli) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:07:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about reply address Message-ID: Hello, I have a question about how your list serve handles replys. Here's an example: Joe and Sue are members of the Soccer team list. Joe sends a message to the team. Sue - and the rest of the team - gets the message. When Sure opens the message is Joe's address in the 'from'? Is Joe's address in the 'reply to'? Sue hits 'reply'. Does her reply go to the entire team or just Joe? Thanks, Michelle From tpf at canes.gsw.edu Fri Jan 14 19:32:31 2005 From: tpf at canes.gsw.edu (Tim Faircloth) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:32:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-rejected posts Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050114132917.049ac008@canes.gsw.edu> I'm having a problem with mailman: I have a list set up for the faculty/staff on our campus. Any facstaff member can post (supposedly). However, whenever a member sends a post to the list, it's posted but they receive a rejection notice anyway. Anyone have any clues? OS: Solaris 8 mailman version: 2.1.4 email software: sendmail /tim -- Tim Faircloth, System Administrator Information Technology Department, GSW OIIT Office: (229) 931-5076 Beeper: (229) 928-1458 From msapiro at value.net Fri Jan 14 19:48:51 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:48:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman issues In-Reply-To: <003c01c4fa40$1d99b4c0$94592252@gaurav7klgnyif> Message-ID: gaurav_gold wrote: > >How can people reply to the mailing list? How do i turn off this feature? How can i also enable a feature where if someone replies the newsletter the email gets deleted? > See the FAQ >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py article 3.11 >I also wanted to know how to do a quick unsubscribe feature so if people reply using the subject line -unsubscribe... it unsubscribes them. How can i get this done? > If you haven't turned off the RFC 2369 headers, each e-mail contains headers like the following ones from this list >List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users >List-Unsubscribe: , >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: , If these aren't sufficient, you could always set Reply-To: header munging to first_strip_reply_to - Yes reply_goes_to_list - Explicit address reply_to_address - either listname-request at example.com or listname-unsubscribe at example.com depending on how agressive you wanted to be. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From luis.talora at iesa.com.br Fri Jan 14 19:49:58 2005 From: luis.talora at iesa.com.br (Luis Fernando C. Talora) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:49:58 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restoring Mailman configuration from a distro to another Message-ID: Fellows, I?m having some trouble restoring a Mailman server. The problem is that We?ve built our mailman server originally with Fedora Core 2. Yesterday, the Hard Disk stoped working, so we restored our backup (a 250 mb tgz file, restored to another server). Since I don?t have Fedora Core 2 CDs in here, I had to install Fedora Core 3 instead, but so many things had changed for Mailman from one version to the other (the directory where it?s placed is one of them). So, here?s what I need: do anybody know how can I restore just the configuration about the lists I had and their archives? Thank you very much! Best regards, _____________________ Luis Fernando C. Talora =================================================================== Esta mensagem pode conter informa??o confidencial e/ou privilegiada. Se voc? n?o for o destinat?rio ou a pessoa autorizada a receber esta mensagem, n?o dever? utilizar, copiar, alterar, divulgar a informa??o nela contida ou tomar qualquer a??o baseada nessas informa??es. 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Thank you for your cooperation. =================================================================== From msapiro at value.net Fri Jan 14 20:14:54 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:14:54 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about reply address In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Michelle Palazzoli wrote: > >I have a question about how your list serve handles replys. > > > >Here's an example: > > > >Joe and Sue are members of the Soccer team list. > > > >Joe sends a message to the team. > > > >Sue - and the rest of the team - gets the message. > > > >When Sure opens the message is Joe's address in the 'from'? Depends on list settings (anonymous_list) >Is Joe's address in the 'reply to'? Depends on list settings >Sue hits 'reply'. > > > >Does her reply go to the entire team or just Joe? This is under control of the list owner. The recommended way is to not do any Reply-To: munging. In this case, "reply" will go to Joe or Joe's own Reply-To: address and "reply all" or "group reply" will go to the list and any other recipients as well. You can set things so simple "reply" goes to the list, but this makes it difficult to reply to Joe only. The "Details for reply_goes_to_list" link on the General Options page has more discussion of this. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Jan 14 20:23:31 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:23:31 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-rejected posts In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050114132917.049ac008@canes.gsw.edu> Message-ID: Tim Faircloth wrote: > >I have a list set up for the faculty/staff on our campus. Any facstaff >member can post (supposedly). > >However, whenever a member sends a post to the list, it's posted but they >receive a rejection notice anyway. Anyone have any clues? Not without more information. Does the post go through directly or only after moderator action? What does the rejection notice say? Anything interesting in the Mailman logs, post and vette in particular? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Jan 14 20:27:26 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:27:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restoring Mailman configuration from a distro toanother In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Luis Fernando C. Talora wrote: > >So, here?s what I need: do anybody know how can I restore just the >configuration about the lists I had and their archives? Restore just contents of the lists/ and archives/ directories. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jdennis at redhat.com Fri Jan 14 20:34:02 2005 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:34:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restoring Mailman configuration from a distro to another In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1105731241.24926.53.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 13:49, Luis Fernando C. Talora wrote: > Fellows, > > I?m having some trouble restoring a Mailman server. The problem is that > We?ve built our mailman server originally with Fedora Core 2. Yesterday, the > Hard Disk stoped working, so we restored our backup (a 250 mb tgz file, > restored to another server). Since I don?t have Fedora Core 2 CDs in here, I > had to install Fedora Core 3 instead, but so many things had changed for > Mailman from one version to the other (the directory where it?s placed is > one of them). There is documentation in /usr/share/doc/mailman-*/INSTALL.REDHAT which tells you the mapping of old directory locations to new directory locations. Because both FC2 and FC3 both shipped mailman 2.1.5 you should be able to just copy your data and queue files over to the new location. In addition you'll want to copy over your mm_cfg.py file. I think the following minimal set of changes will get you on your way Directory Mapping: /var/mailman/archives --> /var/lib/mailman/archives /var/mailman/data --> /var/lib/mailman/data /var/mailman/lists --> /var/lib/mailman/lists /var/spool/mailman/qfiles --> /var/spool/mailman File Mapping: /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py --> /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (sym linked from /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py) /var/mailman/data/adm.pw --> /etc/mailman/adm.pw /var/mailman/data/creator.pw --> /etc/mailman/creator.pw /var/mailman/data/aliases --> /etc/mailman/aliases -- John Dennis From jp at warpix.org Fri Jan 14 21:26:29 2005 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:26:29 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Building Mailman 2.1.5 Message-ID: <20050114202629.R18360@warpix.org> I've just been trying to build Mailman v2.1.5 and get the following error when running configure:- configure.in:211: warning: underquoted definition of MM_FIND_GROUP_NAME run info '(automake)Extending aclocal' or see http://sources.redhat.com/automake/automake.html#Extending-aclocal configure.in:243: warning: underquoted definition of MM_FIND_USER_NAME configure.in:542: warning: underquoted definition of MM_SCRIPTS Are these normal warning messages which I can expect to see and be able to ignore without any later problems? -- John From joe at wacondatrader.com Fri Jan 14 21:39:08 2005 From: joe at wacondatrader.com (Joe Sporleder) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:39:08 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving Mailman on MacOS X Servers? In-Reply-To: <20050114202629.R18360@warpix.org> References: <20050114202629.R18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: <5705DD10-666C-11D9-9CAC-000A95739B12@wacondatrader.com> I'm running Mailman 2.1.2 that came with my MacOS X Panther server at work, and really enjoy Mailman as a list server. I have a couple of old lists running on an old Mac that I am considering moving them and the associated domain to my work server. If I upgrade to my own MacOS X Panther/Tiger Server a few months or a year or two down the road, there shouldn't be any issues of moving Mailman lists, including archives, between one server and another, should there? Thanks to any insight or "gotchas" I should think about. Joe From tpf at canes.gsw.edu Fri Jan 14 22:00:47 2005 From: tpf at canes.gsw.edu (Tim Faircloth) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:00:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-rejected posts In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050114132917.049ac008@canes.gsw.edu> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050114155205.02d92c58@canes.gsw.edu> At 02:23 PM 1/14/2005, you wrote: > > > >However, whenever a member sends a post to the list, it's posted but they > >receive a rejection notice anyway. Anyone have any clues? > >Not without more information. > >Does the post go through directly or only after moderator action? directly through -- no moderation needed >What does the rejection notice say? email address has been changed to "joeuser at canes.gsw.edu" to protect the (seemingly) innocent. >You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has >been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are >being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at >mailman-owner at radar.gsw.edu. > >Received: from canes.gsw.edu (canes.GSW.edu [x.x.x.x]) > by radar.gsw.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j0EH0Oc16092 > for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:00:24 -0500 (EST) >Received: from xxxxx.canes.gsw.edu ([x.x.x.x]) > by canes.gsw.edu (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j0EH0OF19777 > for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:00:24 -0500 (EST) >Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20050114115425.040e54f8 at canes.gsw.edu> >X-Sender: joeuser at canes.gsw.edu >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:03:38 -0500 >To: facstaff at radar.gsw.edu >From: Joe User >Subject: Library Additions list for Nov-Dec 2004 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="=====================_13333125==_.ALT" >X-radar.gsw.edu-MailScanner-Information: Contact GSW OIIT for more information >X-radar.gsw.edu-MailScanner: Found to be clean >X-MailScanner-From: joeuser at canes.gsw.edu >Anything interesting in the Mailman logs, post and vette in particular? Not really... just some stuff in post: post:Jan 14 09:19:56 2005 (304) post to facstaff from joeuser at canes.gsw.edu, size=2125, message-id=<5.1.0.14.0.20050114085846.00a04798 at canes.gsw.edu>, success post:Jan 14 12:00:29 2005 (304) post to facstaff from joeuser at canes.gsw.edu, size=3139, message-id=<5.1.0.14.0.20050114115425.040e54f8 at canes.gsw.edu>, success The strange thing is that on the first post she made (at 9:19am), she didn't get a reject notice at all... /tim -- Tim Faircloth, System Administrator Information Technology Department, GSW OIIT Office: (229) 931-5076 Beeper: (229) 928-1458 From msapiro at value.net Fri Jan 14 22:39:55 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:39:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-rejected posts In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050114155205.02d92c58@canes.gsw.edu> Message-ID: Tim Faircloth wrote >At 02:23 PM 1/14/2005, you wrote: > >>What does the rejection notice say? > >email address has been changed to "joeuser at canes.gsw.edu" to protect the >(seemingly) innocent. > >>You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has >>been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are >>being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at >>mailman-owner at radar.gsw.edu. >> >>Received: from canes.gsw.edu (canes.GSW.edu [x.x.x.x]) >> by radar.gsw.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j0EH0Oc16092 >> for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:00:24 -0500 (EST) >>Received: from xxxxx.canes.gsw.edu ([x.x.x.x]) >> by canes.gsw.edu (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id j0EH0OF19777 >> for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:00:24 -0500 (EST) >>Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20050114115425.040e54f8 at canes.gsw.edu> >>X-Sender: joeuser at canes.gsw.edu >>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 >>Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:03:38 -0500 >>To: facstaff at radar.gsw.edu >>From: Joe User >>Subject: Library Additions list for Nov-Dec 2004 >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="=====================_13333125==_.ALT" >>X-radar.gsw.edu-MailScanner-Information: Contact GSW OIIT for more information >>X-radar.gsw.edu-MailScanner: Found to be clean >>X-MailScanner-From: joeuser at canes.gsw.edu > > >>Anything interesting in the Mailman logs, post and vette in particular? > >Not really... just some stuff in post: > >post:Jan 14 09:19:56 2005 (304) post to facstaff from >joeuser at canes.gsw.edu, size=2125, >message-id=<5.1.0.14.0.20050114085846.00a04798 at canes.gsw.edu>, success >post:Jan 14 12:00:29 2005 (304) post to facstaff from >joeuser at canes.gsw.edu, size=3139, >message-id=<5.1.0.14.0.20050114115425.040e54f8 at canes.gsw.edu>, success > >The strange thing is that on the first post she made (at 9:19am), she >didn't get a reject notice at all... There are some clues here, but nothing definitive. The reject notice comes from Mailman/Handlers/Moderate.py do_reject. do_reject is only called if the poster is a non-member and is either in reject_these_nonmembers or is in none of the *_these_nonmembers and generic_nonmember_action is Reject. The big clue is the listowner in this case is mailman-owner at radar.gsw.edu indicating the post is being considered for the mailman list, not for the facstaff list. So it seems that posting to the facstaff list is working except that some of the time the post is also being considered for the mailman list too and being rejected there. The fact that it doesn't happen every time may rule out things like alias problems, but if you could obtain copies of the two posts from 09:19 and 12:00 you might be able to see some header differences that could account for this. Also, looking at all the Mailman logs from these time periods may reveal differences between the two cases. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jfroberge at agrosolution.com Fri Jan 14 19:45:25 2005 From: jfroberge at agrosolution.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Roberge?=) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:45:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: To whom it may concern I'm at the time to develop my own web site. In my control panel provided by my hosting company, i see the mailling list option and they told me that mailman is the supplier of this mailing list. I would have some questions as am not used to web site language. 1- Is a mailling is a list where i can put my self the adresses in and i can send email to multiple adresses and the receivers will see only his name or the name of the mailling list instead of all the adresses? 2- Is a mailling list is a list built by registration on my web page on a page identified to join the mailling by filling this....? 3- Is there a script to install orjust by creating the mailling every thing is all ready and all i need is to put the subscribing page on my site? 4- HOw do you i put the subscribing page in my site? Regards, Jean-Fran?ois Roberge T.P. Consultant Agro Solution T?l: (514) 776-8570 Fax: (450) 929-2277 jfroberge at agrosolution.com From msapiro at value.net Sat Jan 15 00:37:53 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:37:53 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jean-Fran?ois Roberge wrote: >To whom it may concern >I'm at the time to develop my own web site. In my control panel provided by >my hosting company, i see the mailling list option and they told me that >mailman is the supplier of this mailing list. Would that be cPanel? If so, or even if not, see article 6.11 in the Mailman FAQ (link below) >I would have some questions as am not used to web site language. >1- Is a mailling is a list where i can put my self the adresses in and i can >send email to multiple adresses and the receivers will see only his name or >the name of the mailling list instead of all the adresses? Yes. >2- Is a mailling list is a list built by registration on my web page on a >page identified to join the mailling by filling this....? It can be. >3- Is there a script to install orjust by creating the mailling every thing >is all ready and all i need is to put the subscribing page on my site? That depends on what is available from your provider. Most likely, you will need to create the list and set some options via the web interface. >4- HOw do you i put the subscribing page in my site? See FAQ article 4.33 You may also be interested in article 3.11 and others. I suggest at a minimum, you scan the entire FAQ index. >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Also, see the documentation at http://www.list.org/admins.html -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From stephanie.elsy at gmail.com Sat Jan 15 02:13:33 2005 From: stephanie.elsy at gmail.com (Stephanie) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:13:33 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6a6160e705011417135aedde30@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:45:25 -0500, Jean-Fran?ois Roberge wrote: > > 3- Is there a script to install orjust by creating the mailling every thing > is all ready and all i need is to put the subscribing page on my site? > 4- HOw do you i put the subscribing page in my site? If, as Mark suspects, you're using cPanel, then all you do is create the mailing list in your control panel and then you'll see an Edit link which will take you to the admin interface for your list and there will be a link to the list home page, that's what you put a link to on your website - like "to join my mailing list, go here" type of thing. One thing to keep in mind tho is that this list is mainly for server admins involved with the actual installation and maintenance of Mailman at the server level. Your hosting company most likely takes care of that for you and unless you have root access to the server, you'll mainly be interested in how the list admin interface works which is covered pretty well in the FAQ and of course, you can access additional questions here. P.S. It's also helpful to fill in the Subject on your emails with something brief about your question, like "New to Mailman" or "How do I (whatever)". -- hth, Stephanie Links blog: http://alice.ttlg.net/links/ Glenfinnan Web Hosting: http://www.glenfinnan.net/ From jp at warpix.org Sat Jan 15 03:20:53 2005 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 02:20:53 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to alias-wrapper.c? Message-ID: <20050115022053.A47@warpix.org> I built Mailman (2.0.13) a while back and made to change to the definition of WRAPPER in alias-wrapper.c to suit my environment. I no longer see this file in v2.1.5 so how do I make a change to WRAPPER if I want to? Am I correct in thinking that what was 'wrapper' is now 'mailman'? -- John From effebi at codicelibero.net Sat Jan 15 10:23:11 2005 From: effebi at codicelibero.net (effebi) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:23:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named csq - mailman 2.1.5 Message-ID: <20050115092311.GA1590@localhost.localdomain> hello, I installed mailman 2.1.5 about 2 months ago today i discovered an error on https://bootlog.info/mailman/listinfo, everything seems working ok, mail deliverying, admin page, subscriptions, etc.. only listinfo.. i googled and searched in FAQ but can't find anything, anyone can help me? :| thnx this is the error i get (on GNU/Linux Debian Sarge system): Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 42, in main listinfo_overview() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 87, in listinfo_overview mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 593, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 566, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) ImportError: No module named csq???]q??Ubounce_notify_owner_on_disableq???I01 Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.3.4 (#2, Dec 3 2004, 13:53:17) [GCC 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-2)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_COOKIE generatore+admin=28020000006910dfe841732800000030323965346164303138633663623566383663323162633138643465343137313161633339613731; user=Admin; loginkey=3cbf1bfb9504cd43cd9bec68e4b7a29d SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/2.0.52 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-2 mod_ssl/2.0.52 OpenSSL/0.9.7e SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/listinfo SERVER_SIGNATURE REQUEST_METHOD GET HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300 SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; it-IT; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041128 Firefox/1.0 (Debian package 1.0-4) HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive SERVER_NAME bootlog.info REMOTE_ADDR 82.57.57.26 SERVER_PORT 443 SERVER_ADDR 62.94.221.166 DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/html/bootlog.info/ssl PYTHONPATH /var/lib/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo SERVER_ADMIN [no address given] HTTP_HOST bootlog.info HTTPS on REQUEST_URI /mailman/listinfo HTTP_ACCEPT text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 REMOTE_PORT 32850 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE it,it-it;q=0.8,en-us;q=0.5,en;q=0.3 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip,deflate From jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe Sun Jan 16 17:20:21 2005 From: jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe (=?Windows-1252?Q?Jos=E9_Zapata?=) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:20:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stalled queue Message-ID: <001f01c4fbe7$55e71040$0201a8c0@adviento5n9v7a> Hello folks I still haven't figured out why the Mailman in queue gets stalled. Mailmanctl is running apparently with no problems but the in queue still doesn't empy. I have to stop and restart Mailman in order for the queue to run. Any ideas, please? From msapiro at value.net Sun Jan 16 17:41:27 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:41:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named csq - mailman 2.1.5 In-Reply-To: <20050115092311.GA1590@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: effebi wrote: >I installed mailman 2.1.5 about 2 months ago today i discovered an >error on https://bootlog.info/mailman/listinfo, everything seems >working ok, mail deliverying, admin page, subscriptions, etc.. >only listinfo.. > >i googled and searched in FAQ but can't find anything, anyone can help me? :| > >thnx > >this is the error i get (on GNU/Linux Debian Sarge system): > >Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 > >We're sorry, we hit a bug! > >If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! >Traceback: > >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main > main() > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 42, in main > listinfo_overview() > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 87, in listinfo_overview > mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__ > self.Load() > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 593, in Load > dict, e = self.__load(file) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 566, in __load > dict = loadfunc(fp) >ImportError: No module named csq???]q??Ubounce_notify_owner_on_disableq???I01 It looks to me as if one of your lists//config.pck (list configuration) files is corrupt. bin/check-db --all --verbose might help you find which one. If the config.pck is bad, but the config.pck.last is good, just copy the config.pck.last to config.pck. Otherwise, you may need to restore from a backup or delete the list and start over. Even if the file is corrupt and can't be recovered, you may be able to get useful information out of it with bin/list_members and bin/config_list or bin/dumpdb -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sun Jan 16 17:49:27 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:49:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stalled queue In-Reply-To: <001f01c4fbe7$55e71040$0201a8c0@adviento5n9v7a> Message-ID: Jos? Zapata wrote: > >I still haven't figured out why the Mailman in queue gets stalled. Mailmanctl is running apparently with no problems but the in queue still doesn't empy. I have to stop and restart Mailman in order for the queue to run. > >Any ideas, please? When it stops, is the IncomingRunner still running? Normally, in addition to mailmanctl, the following qrunners should all be running. ArchRunner BounceRunner CommandRunner IncomingRunner NewsRunner OutgoingRunner VirginRunner RetryRunner If any qrunners have stopped, the Mailman qrunner log (or the error log) may have information. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe Sun Jan 16 18:04:57 2005 From: jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Zapata?=) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:04:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stalled queue References: Message-ID: <003201c4fbed$866c1e30$0201a8c0@adviento5n9v7a> Okay, so that's the problem. I have the following in my qrunner log: Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27571) ArchRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27572) BounceRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27571) ArchRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27573) CommandRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27573) CommandRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27574) IncomingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27574) IncomingRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27575) NewsRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27575) NewsRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27576) OutgoingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27576) OutgoingRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27577) VirginRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27577) VirginRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27578) RetryRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27578) RetryRunner qrunner exiting. I checked the error logs and there's no entry for the same date/hour. Most certainly I didn't stop the qrunners manually. So... does the qrunners stop automatically after a certain time of activity? If so, where can I see/change that? Many thanks. Jos? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sapiro" To: "Jos? Zapata" ; Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Stalled queue > Jos? Zapata wrote: > > > >I still haven't figured out why the Mailman in queue gets stalled. Mailmanctl is running apparently with no problems but the in queue still doesn't empy. I have to stop and restart Mailman in order for the queue to run. > > > >Any ideas, please? > > When it stops, is the IncomingRunner still running? Normally, in > addition to mailmanctl, the following qrunners should all be running. > > ArchRunner > BounceRunner > CommandRunner > IncomingRunner > NewsRunner > OutgoingRunner > VirginRunner > RetryRunner > > If any qrunners have stopped, the Mailman qrunner log (or the error > log) may have information. > From dr-bob at uchicago.edu Sun Jan 16 17:25:53 2005 From: dr-bob at uchicago.edu (Robert Hsiung) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:25:53 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm_cfg.py file Message-ID: Hi, Is this really the address to send this to? I couldn't find anything more specific, and it's the one given under "Email Us" at: http://www.list.org/docs.html Anyway, I'm trying to set up Mailman, and I came upon this: >Make any necessary changes in the mm_cfg.py file, not in the mm_cfg.py file. >http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node43.html Where should necessary changes be made? Thanks, Bob From msapiro at value.net Sun Jan 16 19:15:34 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:15:34 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm_cfg.py file In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Robert Hsiung wrote: > >Anyway, I'm trying to set up Mailman, and I came upon this: > >>Make any necessary changes in the mm_cfg.py file, not in the mm_cfg.py file. >>http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node43.html > >Where should necessary changes be made? Thanks, You should make changes in mm_cfg.py. The section you quote above should say "Make any necessary changes in the mm_cfg.py file, not in the Defaults.py file." -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sun Jan 16 19:49:45 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:49:45 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stalled queue In-Reply-To: <003201c4fbed$866c1e30$0201a8c0@adviento5n9v7a> Message-ID: Jos? Zapata wrote: >Okay, so that's the problem. I have the following in my qrunner log: > >Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27571) ArchRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. >Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27572) BounceRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. >Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27571) ArchRunner qrunner exiting. >Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27573) CommandRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. >Stopping. >Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27573) CommandRunner qrunner exiting. >Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27574) IncomingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. >Stopping. >Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27574) IncomingRunner qrunner exiting. >Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27575) NewsRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. >Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27575) NewsRunner qrunner exiting. >Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27576) OutgoingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. >Stopping. >Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27576) OutgoingRunner qrunner exiting. >Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27577) VirginRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. >Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27577) VirginRunner qrunner exiting. >Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27578) RetryRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. >Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27578) RetryRunner qrunner exiting. > >I checked the error logs and there's no entry for the same date/hour. Most >certainly I didn't stop the qrunners manually. So... does the qrunners stop >automatically after a certain time of activity? If so, where can I >see/change that? The qrunners aren't supposed to stop on their own in the absence of errors. There's no time limit within Mailman. I don't think there's anything within Mailman that would cause the above and leave mailmanctl running. As far as I can see, the only thing that SIGTERM's the qrunners is mailmanctl and it only does it in response to "stop" or when otherwise exiting. Likewise, some OS event like changing run level or ?? that would SIGTERM all the qrunners would probably also SIGTERM mailmanctl. Does this happen at a regular time? I.e., is it possible that there's a crontab entry that's doing something to cause this? I'm out of ideas. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From rosander at owbn.org Sun Jan 16 21:40:13 2005 From: rosander at owbn.org (Ross Anderson) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:40:13 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Temporary local failure Message-ID: <83BE23B75CE13C438D99EF7B4E9D41B801868848@act1.guthrietheater.org> I've got a configuration question that I've been unable to resolve and I was hoping someone here could assist. Here's the config Postfix w/mysql for virtual delivery to Cyrus-imap. Mailman for multiple virtual domain lists. Postfix is in a dual injection mode where it hands messages off to amavis-new. Sometimes the local users are deleted and yet they are not removed from the mail man list right away. What occurs is a temporary delivery error and the messages destin for the now removed users hang in the que. For some reason they are just laying there in the postfix que and never seem to get processed properly by mailman as a bouncing user. Postfix options unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 unknown_virtual_alias_reject_code = 550 are engaged. Anyone have thoughts or suggestions? Ross Anderson From barry at python.org Mon Jan 17 00:29:58 2005 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:29:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6 beta 1 Message-ID: <1105918198.5933.59.camel@geddy.wooz.org> I put together a tarball for Mailman 2.1.6 beta 1, but unfortunately SourceForge's file upload machine is out of disk space. For now you can get the file from: http://www.list.org/mailman-2.1.6b1.tgz I'll get that uploaded to SF as soon as possible. Huge thanks go out to Tokio Kikuchi for all his great work on this release. -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, withlist puts the directory it's found in at the end of sys.path, making it easier to run withlist scripts that live in $prefix/bin. - bin/newlist grew two new options: -u/--urlhost and -e/--emailhost which lets the user provide the web and email hostnames for the new mailing list. This is a better way to specify the domain for the list, rather than the old 'mylist at hostname' syntax (which is still supported for backward compatibility, but deprecated). - Added the ability for Mailman generated passwords (both member and list admin) to be more cryptographically secure. See new configuration variables USER_FRIENDLY_PASSWORDS, MEMBER_PASSWORD_LENGTH, and ADMIN_PASSWORD_LENGTH. Also added a new bin/withlist script called reset_pw.py which can be used to reset all member passwords. Passwords generated by Mailman are now 8 characters by default for members, and 10 characters for list administrators. - Allow editing of the welcome message from the admin page (1085501). - A potential cross-site scripting hole in the driver script has been closed. Thanks to Florian Weimer for its discovery. Also, turn STEALTH_MODE on by default. - Chinese languages moved from 'big5' and 'gb' to 'zh_TW' and 'zh_CN' respectively for compliance to the IANA spec. Note that neither language is supported yet. - Python 2.4 compatibility issue: time.strftime() became strict about the 'day of year' range. (1078482) - New feature: automatic discards of held messages. List owners can now set how many days to hold the messages in the moderator request queue. cron/checkdb will automatically discard old messages. (790494) - Improved mail address sanity check. (1030228) - SpamDetect.py now checks attachment header. (1026977) - New feature: subject_prefix can be configured to include a sequence number which is taken from the post_id variable. Also, the prefix is always put at the start of the subject, i.e. "[list-name] Re: original subject" - List owners can now use Scrubber to get the attachments scrubbed (held in the web archive), if the site admin permits it in mm_cfg.py. New variables introduced are SCRUBBER_DONT_USE_ATTACHMENT_FILENAME and SCRUBBER_USE_ATTACHMENT_FILENAME_EXTENSION in Defaults.py for scrubber behavior. (904850) - Filter attachments by filename extensions. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20050116/3053c2ba/attachment.pgp From jan.eri at disnorge.no Mon Jan 17 01:19:39 2005 From: jan.eri at disnorge.no (Jan Eri) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:19:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] News gateway mess up message-id Message-ID: <41EB049B.7070600@disnorge.no> Has anyone else noticed that Mailmans news-gateway sometimes changes the message-id when sending to nntp? As an example, this is from a message sent to the maillist: >From - Fri Jan 14 14:34:02 2005 >X-Account-Key: account3 >X-UIDL: 1105709609.H417769P12176.lindis.dis-norge.no >X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 >X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 >Return-path: >Envelope-to: jan.eri at disnorge.no >Delivery-date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:33:29 +0100 >Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lindis.dis-norge.no) > by lindis.dis-norge.no with esmtp (Exim 4.24 #1 (Debian)) > id 1CpRZr-00039g-Dj; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:33:23 +0100 >Received: from s-smtp-osl-02.bluecom.no ([62.101.193.41]) > by lindis.dis-norge.no with esmtp (Exim 4.24 #1 (Debian)) > id 1CpRZq-00039V-2T > for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:33:22 +0100 >Received: from amund (host-81-191-130-254.bluecom.no [81.191.130.254]) > by s-smtp-osl-02.bluecom.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6E333881B > for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:33:21 +0100 (CET) >From: "Amund Grimstad" >To: >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:33:04 +0100 >Message-ID: <003c01c4fa3d$97ae7b40$9200a8c0 at amund> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 >X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 >Importance: Normal >In-Reply-To: >Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?SV=3A_Hvorfor_er_slektsdata_om_levende_personer_s?= > =?iso-8859-1?q?=E5_sensitive=3F?= >X-BeenThere: disforum-dl at disnorge.no >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 >Precedence: list >Reply-To: disforum-dl at disnorge.no >Sender: disforum-dl-bounces at disnorge.no >Errors-To: disforum-dl-bounces at disnorge.no > > note the line Message-ID: <003c01c4fa3d$97ae7b40$9200a8c0 at amund> And this is from the same message as received by inn nntp server: > [0] => Path: lindis.dis-norge.no!not-for-mail > [1] => From: "Amund Grimstad" > [2] => Newsgroups: dis-norge.disforum > [3] => Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?SV:_Hvorfor_er_slektsdata_om_levende_personer_s=E5_sensiti?= > [4] => =?iso-8859-1?Q?ve=3F?= > [5] => Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:33:04 +0100 > [6] => Organization: DIS Norge > [7] => Lines: 70 > [8] => Message-ID: > [9] => Reply-To: disforum-dl at disnorge.no > [10] => NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.dis-norge.no > [11] => Mime-Version: 1.0 > [12] => Content-Type: text/plain; > [13] => charset="iso-8859-1" > [14] => Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > [15] => X-Trace: lindis.dis-norge.no 1105709602 12131 127.0.0.1 (14 Jan 2005 13:33:22 GMT) > [16] => X-Complaints-To: usenet at lindis.dis-norge.no > [17] => NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:33:22 +0000 (UTC) > [18] => To: > [19] => X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > [20] => X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > [21] => X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 > [22] => X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 > [23] => Importance: Normal > [24] => In-Reply-To: > [25] => X-BeenThere: disforum-dl at disnorge.no > [26] => X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 > [27] => Precedence: list > [28] => Xref: lindis.dis-norge.no dis-norge.disforum:281 > > Note the line Message-ID: Is there anything I can do to prevent Mailman from destroying Message-ID from time to time (not always)? We are using this ID later on, so this gives us some trouble. thanks, Jan -- DIS-Norge http://www.disnorge.no/ From jp at warpix.org Mon Jan 17 02:47:35 2005 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:47:35 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Illegal list name: test@localhost Message-ID: <20050117014735.A48@warpix.org> I've just tried to build Mailman 2.1.5 and when I run newlist I get:- Illegal list name: test at localhost after running:- newlist test me password How do I tell what is wrong? -- John From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Mon Jan 17 03:12:29 2005 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:12:29 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Illegal list name: test@localhost In-Reply-To: <20050117014735.A48@warpix.org> References: <20050117014735.A48@warpix.org> Message-ID: <41EB1F0D.6070708@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> John Poltorak wrote: > I've just tried to build Mailman 2.1.5 and when I run newlist I get:- > > Illegal list name: test at localhost > Check your default settings in Mailman/Defaults.py. 'localhost' is not suitable for DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST nor DEFAULT_URL_HOST. You must give options explicitly in the configure command or fix them later in Mailman/mm_cfg.py. You can browse the install document at http://www.list.org/mailman-install/index.html or search by DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe Mon Jan 17 05:30:08 2005 From: jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Zapata?=) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:30:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stalled queue References: Message-ID: <000801c4fc4d$3abaf9b0$0201a8c0@adviento5n9v7a> No sweat, it was probably my fault anyway. Now that I know what the problem is, or might be, I'll check it more closely and keep you posted. Thanks for the help Jos? ----- Original Message ----- > The qrunners aren't supposed to stop on their own in the absence of > errors. There's no time limit within Mailman. I don't think there's > anything within Mailman that would cause the above and leave > mailmanctl running. As far as I can see, the only thing that SIGTERM's > the qrunners is mailmanctl and it only does it in response to "stop" > or when otherwise exiting. > > Likewise, some OS event like changing run level or ?? that would > SIGTERM all the qrunners would probably also SIGTERM mailmanctl. > > Does this happen at a regular time? I.e., is it possible that there's a > crontab entry that's doing something to cause this? > > I'm out of ideas. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > From effebi at codicelibero.net Sun Jan 16 19:24:39 2005 From: effebi at codicelibero.net (effebi) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:24:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named csq - mailman 2.1.5 In-Reply-To: References: <20050115092311.GA1590@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050116182439.GA1823@localhost.localdomain> [Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 08:41:27AM -0800] - Mark Sapiro scrive: > It looks to me as if one of your lists//config.pck (list > configuration) files is corrupt. > > bin/check-db --all --verbose > > might help you find which one. If the config.pck is bad, but the > config.pck.last is good, just copy the config.pck.last to config.pck. > Otherwise, you may need to restore from a backup or delete the list > and start over. ok i ran bin/check-db --all --verbose and get this: Lista: mailman /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck: ok /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck.last: ok [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.db' [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.db.last' and it's true, there's no config.db and config.db.last for any list i find thru google that config.db isn't necessary but i think this create my problem.. From ralph.utbult at abf.se Mon Jan 17 08:31:43 2005 From: ralph.utbult at abf.se (Ralph Utbult) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:31:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot connect to web administration Message-ID: Hi, Last autum, I set up a MandrakeLinux with Postfix. Later I added Mailman, mainly for its integration with Mandrake. Last week the server crashed, so I had to set up a new one. It worked great! Three hours after I started the installation, Postfix was up and running! Mailman took another hour or so... My problem: I run my mail sefver behind a firewall, with port 25 open. Problem is, I can't access Mailman web pages. This is what I try to access http://hyndan.gbg.abf.se/mailman/admin/mailman If I change to IP numbers, I can get connected. Sounds to me like some sort of DNS-problem? I'm accessing from a computer in the LAN, so the firewall shouldn't be the problem. I'v added the mail server to my DNS server (Windows 2000 Advanced server), but that didn't help. Regards, Ralph Utbult Systemansvarig ABF G?teborg Bes?ksadress: S?dra All?gatan 1, 4:e v?n, G?teborg Postadress: Olof Palmes Plats, 413 04 G?teborg Telefon: 031-7743176 Mobil: 0706-743176 Fax: 031-7743105 E-post: ralph.utbult at abf.se ICQ: 108998663 From ralph.utbult at abf.se Mon Jan 17 08:50:09 2005 From: ralph.utbult at abf.se (Ralph Utbult) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:50:09 +0100 Subject: SV: [Mailman-Users] Cannot connect to web administration Message-ID: Forget this problem! I didn't put the right URL entry in mm_cfg ;-) Sorry to bother you with this, but sometimes you just have to formulate the problem (like in a mail to this excellent list!) to find the problem! Regards, Ralph > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr?n: mailman-users-bounces at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org] F?r Ralph Utbult > Skickat: den 17 januari 2005 08:32 > Till: Mailman Users Mailing List > ?mne: [Mailman-Users] Cannot connect to web administration > > Hi, > > Last autum, I set up a MandrakeLinux with Postfix. Later I > added Mailman, mainly for its integration with Mandrake. Last > week the server crashed, so I had to set up a new one. It > worked great! Three hours after I started the installation, > Postfix was up and running! Mailman took another hour or so... > > My problem: I run my mail sefver behind a firewall, with port > 25 open. Problem is, I can't access Mailman web pages. > This is what I try to access > http://hyndan.gbg.abf.se/mailman/admin/mailman If I change to > IP numbers, I can get connected. Sounds to me like some sort > of DNS-problem? I'm accessing from a computer in the LAN, so > the firewall shouldn't be the problem. I'v added the mail > server to my DNS server (Windows 2000 Advanced server), but > that didn't help. > > Regards, > > Ralph Utbult > Systemansvarig > ABF G?teborg > > Bes?ksadress: S?dra All?gatan 1, 4:e v?n, G?teborg > Postadress: Olof Palmes Plats, 413 04 G?teborg > > Telefon: 031-7743176 > Mobil: 0706-743176 > Fax: 031-7743105 > E-post: ralph.utbult at abf.se > ICQ: 108998663 > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > From psk at informatik.rwth-aachen.de Mon Jan 17 10:57:17 2005 From: psk at informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Peter Schneider-Kamp) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:57:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderation / hold does not work Message-ID: <41EB8BFD.7000403@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi! Holding messages does not work for my new mailman installation. I have read the previous messages on this topic (both from January 05 and December 04), but no one could propose any solutions yet :-( I am using Mailman 2.1.5 with apache 1.3.26 for the web interface, sendmail 8.12.3 for the MTA on a Debian stable system. The setup for the web interface is standard (/mailman and /pipermail, straight from the manual). I have set admin_immed_notify = 1 generic_nonmember_action = 1 in the configuration of the mailman-list. In Defaults.py the GLOBAL_PIPELINE contains 'Moderate' und 'Hold'. Sending a message from a non-member address the message is delivered correctly to mailman: Jan 17 11:33:49 tutnix sm-mta[20231]: j0HAXnVf020231: from=, size=1828, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<20050117094108.88207.qmail at web53908.mail.yahoo.com>, proto= ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-2.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.131] Jan 17 11:33:50 tutnix sm-mta[20232]: j0HAXnVf020231: to="|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=0 0:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=32075, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent Neither a moderation message is sent to the owner nor are there any pending moderation requests in the web interface. I cannot find any heldmsg*-files, too. Accepting, Rejecting, and Discarding all work properly. Archives, sending to the mailing list by members (non-moderated), distributing mails to subscribers, and everything else works like a charm. This is really a pity because as soon as this last feature works we can finally start migrating our 300+ ListServ mailing lists to mailman. I would appreciate any kind of help. If you need any more information about the problem, please tell me. Kind regards, Peter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB64v93VbrCXkKHhwRAoa0AKCyftXdKqJBNnq2ZVSkHTOtvLCDPQCgiLvJ vtq/jn032cqSqE1niQqgQ7k= =bDpW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jp at warpix.org Mon Jan 17 11:03:41 2005 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:03:41 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 1041 Message-ID: <20050117100341.D48@warpix.org> I just tried subscribing to a test list which I've set up but get this error from sendmail:- 554 "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mm_test"... unknown mailer error 1041 How do I go about figuring out what is wrong? Does the 1041 get generated by mailman or something else? And if it's mailman where would I look it up? -- John From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Jan 17 11:14:37 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:14:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderation / hold does not work In-Reply-To: <41EB8BFD.7000403@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> References: <41EB8BFD.7000403@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Message-ID: At 10:57 AM +0100 2005-01-17, Peter Schneider-Kamp wrote: > I am using Mailman 2.1.5 with apache 1.3.26 for the > web interface, sendmail 8.12.3 for the MTA on a > Debian stable system. The setup for the web interface > is standard (/mailman and /pipermail, straight from > the manual). Well, "/mailman" and "/pipermail" are not what I would consider standard locations for these things. Standard locations would all be under "/usr/local/mailman". Anything else is non-standard, at least as far as Mailman is concerned. Note that the mail/mailing list server for python.org (which hosts the mailman-users mailing list) is configured very similarly, the only major difference being that we use postfix instead of sendmail for our MTA. In reality, this difference really isn't significant, at least as far as the operations of Mailman are concerned -- one MTA should not really be any different from any other MTA, so long as they do the same basic things. > Sending a message from a non-member address > the message is delivered correctly to mailman: > > Jan 17 11:33:49 tutnix sm-mta[20231]: j0HAXnVf020231: > from=, size=1828, class=0, nrcpts=1, > msgid=<20050117094108.88207.qmail at web53908.mail.yahoo.com>, proto= > ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-2.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.131] > Jan 17 11:33:50 tutnix sm-mta[20232]: j0HAXnVf020231: > to="|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman", > ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01, > xdelay=0 > 0:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=32075, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent > > Neither a moderation message is sent to the owner nor > are there any pending moderation requests in the web > interface. I cannot find any heldmsg*-files, too. So, does this message get posted to the list, or does it just disappear? At this point, I'm not sure what I can tell you. I administer or co-administer Mailman installations at a few different sites, and everywhere I do that, using "Moderation" works just fine. There's something strange going on at your site, but without more information, I can't begin to guess what that is. As a starting point, I would suggest that you try the debugging recommendations at . Your problem is slightly different, but the debugging procedures are the same. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Jan 17 11:17:39 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:17:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 1041 In-Reply-To: <20050117100341.D48@warpix.org> References: <20050117100341.D48@warpix.org> Message-ID: At 10:03 AM +0000 2005-01-17, John Poltorak wrote: > Does the 1041 get generated by mailman or something else? And if it's > mailman where would I look it up? That's a return code being generated by Mailman and passed back to sendmail, but sendmail doesn't recognize that number or know what to do with it. That's a clear indicator that something is wrong, but without more information it's hard to say what that might be. As a starting point, try the checklist at . Your problem is somewhat different, but the debugging procedures are the same. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jp at warpix.org Mon Jan 17 11:48:33 2005 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:48:33 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 1041 In-Reply-To: ; from Brad Knowles on Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 11:17:39AM +0100 References: <20050117100341.D48@warpix.org> Message-ID: <20050117104833.H18360@warpix.org> On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 11:17:39AM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 10:03 AM +0000 2005-01-17, John Poltorak wrote: > > > Does the 1041 get generated by mailman or something else? And if it's > > mailman where would I look it up? > > That's a return code being generated by Mailman and passed back > to sendmail, but sendmail doesn't recognize that number or know what > to do with it. That's a clear indicator that something is wrong, but > without more information it's hard to say what that might be. Yes, I realise it could be due to countless reasons, but I'd like to know what the 1041 means. > As a starting point, try the checklist at > . > Your problem is somewhat different, but the debugging procedures are > the same. Is there anything about turning on debugging in mailman? I didn't see it anong those pages. > -- > Brad Knowles, > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. -- John From psk at informatik.rwth-aachen.de Mon Jan 17 11:59:43 2005 From: psk at informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Peter Schneider-Kamp) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:59:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderation / hold does not work In-Reply-To: References: <41EB8BFD.7000403@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Message-ID: <41EB9A9F.9060102@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brad Knowles wrote: | Well, "/mailman" and "/pipermail" are not what I would consider | standard locations for these things. Standard locations would all be | under "/usr/local/mailman". Anything else is non-standard, at least as | far as Mailman is concerned. Sorry for being imprecise here. I meant /mailman is the ScriptAlias for /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ and /pipermail is the Alias for /home/mailman/archives/public/ in my httpd.conf. |> Sending a message from a non-member address |> the message is delivered correctly to mailman: |> |> Jan 17 11:33:49 tutnix sm-mta[20231]: j0HAXnVf020231: |> from=, size=1828, class=0, nrcpts=1, |> msgid=<20050117094108.88207.qmail at web53908.mail.yahoo.com>, proto= |> ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=ms-2.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.131] |> Jan 17 11:33:50 tutnix sm-mta[20232]: j0HAXnVf020231: |> to="|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman", |> ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01, |> xdelay=0 |> 0:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=32075, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent |> |> Neither a moderation message is sent to the owner nor |> are there any pending moderation requests in the web |> interface. I cannot find any heldmsg*-files, too. | | | So, does this message get posted to the list, or does it just | disappear? It just disappears. In contrast to when using the Discard option no message is sent to the list-owner. | At this point, I'm not sure what I can tell you. I administer or | co-administer Mailman installations at a few different sites, and | everywhere I do that, using "Moderation" works just fine. There seems to be a (at least partly) general problem here, though, as there are at least two other users who experience the same symptoms. | There's something strange going on at your site, but without more | information, I can't begin to guess what that is. As a starting point, | I would suggest that you try the debugging recommendations at | . | Your problem is slightly different, but the debugging procedures are the | same. Okay. I will do that after lunch and get straight back to you. Thanks for your time, Peter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB65qf3VbrCXkKHhwRAgOuAJsFjl+Uq8Rm1NHpnWir7kQ6pMh7WgCgiDRH HZDyU6/1BfIYWpobConpTs4= =CiCq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From psk at informatik.rwth-aachen.de Mon Jan 17 12:56:04 2005 From: psk at informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Peter Schneider-Kamp) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:56:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderation / hold does not work In-Reply-To: References: <41EB8BFD.7000403@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Message-ID: <41EBA7D4.5080005@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi! The problem is solved. The value "True" is undefined in my old version of Python (I DID say debian stable *grin* - 2.1.3). This was actually fixed in 2.41.2.6 in the CVS. The login message refers to SourceForge bug #955381. I backported the fix and everything runs fine now. Brad Knowles wrote: | There's something strange going on at your site, but without more | information, I can't begin to guess what that is. As a starting point, | I would suggest that you try the debugging recommendations at | . | Your problem is slightly different, but the debugging procedures are the | same. Thanks for the link. It helped me in isolating the error. Kind regards, Peter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB66fU3VbrCXkKHhwRAv76AJ9WN9d8xKp5gfpG703Qubh5SeKIyACeOH+d lg639h/foujiVqDCd/A8cq0= =xDd1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Jan 17 13:30:34 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:30:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 1041 In-Reply-To: <20050117104833.H18360@warpix.org> References: <20050117100341.D48@warpix.org> <20050117104833.H18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: At 10:48 AM +0000 2005-01-17, John Poltorak wrote: >> That's a return code being generated by Mailman and passed back >> to sendmail, but sendmail doesn't recognize that number or know what >> to do with it. That's a clear indicator that something is wrong, but >> without more information it's hard to say what that might be. > > Yes, I realise it could be due to countless reasons, but I'd like to know > what the 1041 means. This number is not found anywhere in the Mailman source code, so it would have to be something internal to Python, or something that was passed up through Python and Mailman over to sendmail. I'll see if I can check the Python source code to see if this number is found anywhere in there, but I don't hold out much hope. > Is there anything about turning on debugging in mailman? I didn't see it > anong those pages. What debugging that Mailman is capable of providing is already turned on by default. You have to look in the log files to see what information in /usr/local/mailman/logs to see what is provided. Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot here, but it is usually enough to get another clue as to what the problem is. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Jan 17 14:14:09 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:14:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 1041 In-Reply-To: References: <20050117100341.D48@warpix.org> <20050117104833.H18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: At 1:30 PM +0100 2005-01-17, Brad Knowles wrote: >> Yes, I realise it could be due to countless reasons, but I'd like to know >> what the 1041 means. > > This number is not found anywhere in the Mailman source code, so it > would have to be something internal to Python, or something that was > passed up through Python and Mailman over to sendmail. I'll see if I > can check the Python source code to see if this number is found > anywhere in there, but I don't hold out much hope. I checked through the Python 2.3.4 source code, and found this number within a few data arrays in Modules/unicodedata_db.h and Modules/unicodename_db.h, but not in any place where I believe they would be a value that could be returned by Python to a program. I don't know where this number is coming from or what it means, but I think you should look in the files under /usr/local/mailman/logs and see if you can find anything there that is out of the ordinary. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From rob.smith at scrittura.com Mon Jan 17 16:57:25 2005 From: rob.smith at scrittura.com (Rob Smith) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:57:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with "Next" and "Previous" message Message-ID: <403AA231BD71694FBA089C60B10EBBA62AE21F@midtown.ny.ipicorp.com> We setting up an internal faq database using Mailman. Problem is that Mailman includes "Next message" and "Previous message" info in the message text. Thus when we search (using htDig) we get spurious hits from the included "next" and "previous" message texts. We don't need the "next" and "previous" text and would like not to add it. Is there a way to do this? Rob S From jp at warpix.org Mon Jan 17 16:56:57 2005 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:56:57 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 1041 In-Reply-To: ; from Brad Knowles on Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 01:30:34PM +0100 References: <20050117100341.D48@warpix.org> <20050117104833.H18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: <20050117155657.M18360@warpix.org> On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 01:30:34PM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 10:48 AM +0000 2005-01-17, John Poltorak wrote: > > >> That's a return code being generated by Mailman and passed back > >> to sendmail, but sendmail doesn't recognize that number or know what > >> to do with it. That's a clear indicator that something is wrong, but > >> without more information it's hard to say what that might be. > > > > Yes, I realise it could be due to countless reasons, but I'd like to know > > what the 1041 means. > > This number is not found anywhere in the Mailman source code, so > it would have to be something internal to Python, or something that > was passed up through Python and Mailman over to sendmail. I'll see > if I can check the Python source code to see if this number is found > anywhere in there, but I don't hold out much hope. I'm sure it is something fairly obscure and could well be Python or even OS related. > > Is there anything about turning on debugging in mailman? I didn't see it > > anong those pages. > > What debugging that Mailman is capable of providing is already > turned on by default. You have to look in the log files to see what > information in /usr/local/mailman/logs to see what is provided. > Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot here, but it is usually enough > to get another clue as to what the problem is. There is nothing in logs at all. Is it possible to run something at the command line to be able to get closer to what is going on? ie something like:- cat email_file | /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mm_test I'm not sure what 'subscribe' refers to here... Is it a python script? If so can I add some debug option so that it tells me what is going? > -- > Brad Knowles, > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. -- John From dontodd at columbus.rr.com Mon Jan 17 17:37:28 2005 From: dontodd at columbus.rr.com (Todd Slater) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:37:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with "Next" and "Previous" message In-Reply-To: <403AA231BD71694FBA089C60B10EBBA62AE21F@midtown.ny.ipicorp.com> References: <403AA231BD71694FBA089C60B10EBBA62AE21F@midtown.ny.ipicorp.com> Message-ID: <20050117163728.GA3328@clevername.homeip.net> On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:57:25AM -0500, Rob Smith wrote: > We setting up an internal faq database using Mailman. Problem is that > Mailman includes "Next message" and "Previous message" info in the > message text. Thus when we search (using htDig) we get spurious hits > from the included "next" and "previous" message texts. > > > > We don't need the "next" and "previous" text and would like not to add > it. Is there a way to do this? Rob, You can modify the templates used to generate the archives. I use the default Pipermail for archiving and Namazu for search so I can't say if there's any difference if you're using MHonarc... Anyway, search the FAQ for "templates" or "modify templates" and you'll find how to do it. Todd From jp at warpix.org Mon Jan 17 17:47:38 2005 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:47:38 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Viewing queued files Message-ID: <20050117164738.N18360@warpix.org> Is there any way to view queued files? I don't know how they are formatted but I'd to try and convert them to a viewable format without sending them out. Is this possible? -- John From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Jan 17 19:03:55 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:03:55 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 1041 In-Reply-To: <20050117155657.M18360@warpix.org> References: <20050117100341.D48@warpix.org> <20050117104833.H18360@warpix.org> <20050117155657.M18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: At 3:56 PM +0000 2005-01-17, John Poltorak wrote: > There is nothing in logs at all. That's very weird. There should definitely be something in the logs. > Is it possible to run something at the command line to be able to get > closer to what is going on? ie something like:- > > cat email_file | /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mm_test I haven't tried it, but ultimately this is basically what the MTA does when passing a message off to Mailman, so this might work. You might need to get your environment set up correctly before this will work, however. > I'm not sure what 'subscribe' refers to here... Is it a python script? If > so can I add some debug option so that it tells me what is going? You should see stuff in /usr/local/mailman/scripts that correspond to the various commands that can be passed to the "mailman" program as part of the aliases. Looking at /usr/local/mailman/scripts/subscribe on one of my machines, this is definitely Python. So far as I know, there are no additional debug options that you can give to Mailman or any of the Mailman-related scripts or tools (they already provide as much debugging information as they can via the logs). However, you could put in the Python equivalent of some "printf()" commands so as to add your own debugging output. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Jan 17 19:06:14 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:06:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Viewing queued files In-Reply-To: <20050117164738.N18360@warpix.org> References: <20050117164738.N18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: At 4:47 PM +0000 2005-01-17, John Poltorak wrote: > Is there any way to view queued files? > > I don't know how they are formatted but I'd to try and convert them to a > viewable format without sending them out. I think that they are "compiled" into Python "pickle" structures. However, you should check out "/usr/local/mailman/bin/show_qfiles" and see if that does what you need. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From sbackman at askmoses.com Mon Jan 17 19:04:29 2005 From: sbackman at askmoses.com (Rabbi Simcha Backman) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:04:29 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Delay Message-ID: <20050117180429.6985A1E4008@bag.python.org> Thank you very much! That was indeed the issue and the fix set things back to normal. From psk at informatik.rwth-aachen.de Mon Jan 17 19:15:20 2005 From: psk at informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Peter Schneider-Kamp) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:15:20 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] listserv -> mailman archive migration?! Message-ID: <41EC00B8.80308@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi! Thanks to your help we are now almost ready to move from listserv to Mailman. The only issue is archives which for some of our teams basically constitute the history of their existence. Has anyone experience in migrating ListServ archives to Mailman? Or can you point me where to look for a definition of the mailman archive format so we can try to build a migration tool ourselves? Thanks and kind regards, Peter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB7AC43VbrCXkKHhwRAo8xAKCPOUT0ySa/Kgt+LiJyVcoKi716wQCfbHoA wcxn8MihyOaWjfBHpPIKl44= =rtSg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Jan 17 19:51:15 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:51:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] listserv -> mailman archive migration?! In-Reply-To: <41EC00B8.80308@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> References: <41EC00B8.80308@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Message-ID: At 7:15 PM +0100 2005-01-17, Peter Schneider-Kamp wrote: > Or can you point me where to look for a definition > of the mailman archive format so we can try to > build a migration tool ourselves? Pipermail uses 7th edition mbox format. See for instructions on how to import that. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From psk at informatik.rwth-aachen.de Mon Jan 17 20:53:50 2005 From: psk at informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Peter Schneider-Kamp) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:53:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] listserv -> mailman archive migration?! In-Reply-To: References: <41EC00B8.80308@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Message-ID: <41EC17CE.8050100@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brad Knowles wrote: | Pipermail uses 7th edition mbox format. See | | for instructions on how to import that. Great! I've just written a small Python script which adds the missing "From name at host.domain Weekday Month Day Time Year" to the headers and - voila - there are the archives. Only caveat is that thread information seems to be lost in the original archives (there are only limited headers available). But that's not too bad. Thanks again, Peter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB7BfO3VbrCXkKHhwRAovcAJ9/VhQje0mrd+nfbjWos7yQWbVSXACglfOd kFLCPB3HBWfGYA+HBDThjk8= =r2Nt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jan.eri at disnorge.no Mon Jan 17 21:22:48 2005 From: jan.eri at disnorge.no (Jan Eri) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:22:48 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] News gateway mess up message-id In-Reply-To: <41EB049B.7070600@disnorge.no> References: <41EB049B.7070600@disnorge.no> Message-ID: <41EC1E98.1080602@disnorge.no> It seems that noone knows about this. Where should I take the problem if this list can't answer it? I have been able to locate several other reports of the same problem - but never a solution. regards, Jan Jan Eri wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that Mailmans news-gateway sometimes changes > the message-id when sending to nntp? > As an example, this is from a message sent to the maillist: > >> Message-ID: <003c01c4fa3d$97ae7b40$9200a8c0 at amund> > > And this is from the same message as received by inn nntp server: > >> [8] => Message-ID: >> > > Is there anything I can do to prevent Mailman from destroying > Message-ID from time to time (not always)? We are using this ID later > on, so this gives us some trouble. > thanks, > Jan -- DIS-Norge http://www.disnorge.no/ From msapiro at value.net Mon Jan 17 21:33:14 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:33:14 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] News gateway mess up message-id In-Reply-To: <41EC1E98.1080602@disnorge.no> Message-ID: Jan Eri wrote: >It seems that noone knows about this. Where should I take the problem if >this list can't answer it? > >I have been able to locate several other reports of the same problem - >but never a solution. Look at the Python code in Mailman/Queue/NewsRunner.py The changing of the Message-Id: is done intentionally for reasons explained in a comment. You could easily change the code to not do this, but you then might run into the issue mentioned in the comment. The only question is why you don't see this always, since the code seems to do it unconditionally. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Mon Jan 17 21:37:15 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:37:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with "Next" and "Previous" message In-Reply-To: <403AA231BD71694FBA089C60B10EBBA62AE21F@midtown.ny.ipicorp.com> Message-ID: Rob Smith wrote: >We setting up an internal faq database using Mailman. Problem is that >Mailman includes "Next message" and "Previous message" info in the >message text. Thus when we search (using htDig) we get spurious hits >from the included "next" and "previous" message texts. > > > >We don't need the "next" and "previous" text and would like not to add >it. Is there a way to do this? Another reply points you at the FAQ about changing the templates which may help. There is also a patch for this issue at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Mon Jan 17 22:06:33 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:06:33 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named csq - mailman 2.1.5 In-Reply-To: <20050116182439.GA1823@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: effebi wrote: >[Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 08:41:27AM -0800] - Mark Sapiro scrive: >> It looks to me as if one of your lists//config.pck (list >> configuration) files is corrupt. >> >> bin/check-db --all --verbose >> >> might help you find which one. If the config.pck is bad, but the >> config.pck.last is good, just copy the config.pck.last to config.pck. >> Otherwise, you may need to restore from a backup or delete the list >> and start over. > >ok >i ran bin/check-db --all --verbose and get this: > >Lista: mailman > /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck: ok > /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck.last: ok > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.db' > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.db.last' > >and it's true, there's no config.db and config.db.last for any list > >i find thru google that config.db isn't necessary but i think this create my problem.. The config.db and config.db.last files are a different format from older Mailman versions. It is normal to have only config.pck and config.pck.last and not config.db and config.db.last. This is not the cause of your problem. If all your config.pck files are OK for all lists, then I don't know what the cause would be. I would suggest, that it is possible that the problem is caused by something wrong with a config.pck file that check-db isn't finding. If you are able to stop mailman for a while, you might try the following: bin/mailmanctl stop then rename the lists/ directory e.g. mv lists temp-rename-lists and then try visiting https://bootlog.info/mailman/listinfo. If that works - gives page with no lists but no error - then the problem is certainly in going through the lists//config.pck files to find the advertised lists. Rename the directory back to lists/ mv temp-rename-lists lists and then one by one move the directories elsewhere as in mv lists/ temp-move- and try going to the listinfo web page again. If you get the error, either move that one back and move another or just move another until you find the one that causes the problem. Note that you have to move the directories out of the lists/ directory, otherwise, you are just changing the "list name". Make sure you move all listname directories back into lists/ and do mailmanctl start If you have identified a bad list in this way, you might use bin/dumpdb to try to diagnose what's wrong with it. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From martinr at hotkey.net.au Mon Jan 17 22:49:32 2005 From: martinr at hotkey.net.au (Martin Rheumer) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:49:32 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] One of the easiest Questions I bet Message-ID: Peeps, Just getting started with mailman and having a small issue I think everyone will answer but its taken 2 days I cant.. I have a mailing list that allows postings from machines cron entries root at number1.fred.com root at number2.fred.com root at number3.fred.com These are set in the List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted But I still get.. As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: ftp_errors at mail.fred.com From: root at number1.fred.com Subject: LogWatch for number1.fred.com Reason: Message has implicit destination At your convenience, visit: http://www.fred.com/mailman/admindb/ftp_errors to approve or deny the request. Anyone help me with what I am missing here ? Thanks again Martin From msapiro at value.net Mon Jan 17 23:24:35 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:24:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] One of the easiest Questions I bet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Martin Rheumer wrote: > >I have a mailing list that allows postings from machines cron entries > >root at number1.fred.com >root at number2.fred.com >root at number3.fred.com > >These are set in the >List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted > >But I still get.. > >As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the >following mailing list posting: > > List: ftp_errors at mail.fred.com > From: root at number1.fred.com > Subject: LogWatch for number1.fred.com > Reason: Message has implicit destination > >At your convenience, visit: > > http://www.fred.com/mailman/admindb/ftp_errors > >to approve or deny the request. > >Anyone help me with what I am missing here ? The message does not explicitly address the list in To: or Cc:. See Privacy options...->Recipient filters (probably http://www.fred.com/mailman/admin/ftp_errors/privacy/recipient) -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From martinr at hotkey.net.au Tue Jan 18 01:12:19 2005 From: martinr at hotkey.net.au (Martin Rheumer) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:12:19 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail host has 2 names Message-ID: okies 2 posts in 1 day might be a bit much but its all new to me. My mail list host has 2 names 1 on an intranet and one on the internet. charlieb on the intranet and marcie on the internet. When people go to charlied.fred.com they get all the mailing lists I have set up, but of course when they go to marcie.fred.com there is nothing there as the host name is different. I have set the virtual host attribute in mm_cfg.py but I think this has a different task then what I want.. Is this possible that I can have mailman think marcie and charlieb are the same machine and list all the mailing lists not dependant on the host name ? Thanks again Martin From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 18 01:32:10 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:32:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail host has 2 names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Martin Rheumer wrote: > >My mail list host has 2 names 1 on an intranet and one on the internet. > >charlieb on the intranet and marcie on the internet. > >When people go to charlied.fred.com they get all the mailing lists >I have set up, but of course when they go to marcie.fred.com there >is nothing there as the host name is different. I have set the >virtual host attribute in mm_cfg.py but I think this has a different >task then what I want.. > >Is this possible that I can have mailman think marcie and charlieb >are the same machine and list all the mailing lists not dependant >on the host name ? Put the following in mm_cfg.py VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off This will enable all public lists to appear on the listinfo page regardless of domain. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jwt at onjapan.net Tue Jan 18 06:18:16 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:18:16 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What happened to alias-wrapper.c? In-Reply-To: <20050115022053.A47@warpix.org> References: <20050115022053.A47@warpix.org> Message-ID: <41EC9C18.8080001@onjapan.net> John Poltorak wrote: > I built Mailman (2.0.13) a while back and made to change to the definition > of WRAPPER in alias-wrapper.c to suit my environment. I no longer see this > file in v2.1.5 so how do I make a change to WRAPPER if I want to? > > Am I correct in thinking that what was 'wrapper' is now 'mailman'? Yes. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From flipside21 at rogers.com Mon Jan 17 21:40:54 2005 From: flipside21 at rogers.com (Flip Side) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:40:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] can majordomo and mailman run on the same system? Message-ID: <20050117204054.83002.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello, I'm a new user to mailman. I'm currently running majordomo + postfix-2.0.16-14.RHEL3. I would like to install mailman on my server without disrupting the operation of my existing mailing list software (majordomo). Can this be done? has anyone done this before and are you able to provide detailed documentation? Thanks From rcf175 at netzero.com Tue Jan 18 01:46:33 2005 From: rcf175 at netzero.com (rcf175 at netzero.com) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:46:33 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie has archiving issues, Is anyone out there farmiliar with it? Message-ID: <20050117.164723.7498.197608@webmail27.nyc.untd.com> Hi; I've recently switched hosting providers and my NEW host provides mailman lists, using plex 7.5.1. reloaded control panel... Is anyone familiar with it? If you are please help me... You see my host provides web interface access and ftp thru shared hosting, but does NOT provide SSH or TELNET access. Now, I've setup a mailman list thru webinterface and it's ready to go. But before I start posting to this one-way news letter... I'd like to know how I can delete/edit the archives that will be created??? I've asked my hosting provider but apparently he's just as new to this as I am. He responded by stating that he's never used mailman mailing lists, and suggested I check the forums, so here I am, can anyone help me? Is there any other way besides ssh and/or telnet? I know from the faq's that root may be an option but am clueless as far as that's concerned. Please be gentle with me it's my very first time!!! Don't really know what I'm doing, just going nuts. Been searching the archives as far back as 1998 and found nothing. Please help!!! From chad at shire.net Tue Jan 18 07:44:55 2005 From: chad at shire.net (Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:44:55 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can majordomo and mailman run on the same system? In-Reply-To: <20050117204054.83002.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20050117204054.83002.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76A8F760-691C-11D9-841C-000D933E3CEC@shire.net> On Jan 17, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Flip Side wrote: > Hello, > > I'm a new user to mailman. I'm currently running > majordomo + postfix-2.0.16-14.RHEL3. > > I would like to install mailman on my server without > disrupting the operation of my existing mailing list > software (majordomo). > > Can this be done? has anyone done this before and are > you able to provide detailed documentation? I do it just fine and I did not have to do anything special Chad From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Jan 18 07:46:20 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:46:20 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can majordomo and mailman run on the same system? In-Reply-To: <20050117204054.83002.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20050117204054.83002.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 3:40 PM -0500 2005-01-17, Flip Side wrote: > I would like to install mailman on my server without > disrupting the operation of my existing mailing list > software (majordomo). You control your aliases. You should be able to create new aliases that point to Mailman instead of Majordomo. > Can this be done? Sure. > has anyone done this before and are > you able to provide detailed documentation? I'm sure that many people have done it before, but detailed documentation for this is not available so far as I know. Since this is an open-source project, you could always create detailed documentation to describe how you do it for your site, and then submit that for inclusion in the Mailman manual. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Jan 18 08:32:51 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:32:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie has archiving issues, Is anyone out there farmiliar with it? In-Reply-To: <20050117.164723.7498.197608@webmail27.nyc.untd.com> References: <20050117.164723.7498.197608@webmail27.nyc.untd.com> Message-ID: At 12:46 AM +0000 2005-01-18, rcf175 at netzero.com wrote: > Hi; I've recently switched hosting providers and my NEW host provides > mailman lists, using plex 7.5.1. reloaded control panel... Is anyone > familiar with it? If you are please help me... In this case, you're most likely to be able to get help by contacting your hosting provider. We may be able to help with some issues that have nothing to do with anything other than Mailman, but the reality is that most things in Mailman are related to how it interfaces to other programs or parts of the system, and we're not going to be able to help you with any of those in this case. > I'd like to know how I can delete/edit the archives that will be created??? Depending on what areas they allow you to access, you may or may not have any control over this process. Normally, all archives for all Mailman-hosted mailing lists are stored under /usr/local/mailman/lists, but this is a single shared area. If they allow you to create or delete files under this shared area, then you'd probably be able to muck around with mailing lists owned by other people, which is something your hosting provider would want to prevent. So, you need to contact your hosting provider. > I've asked my hosting provider but apparently he's just as new to this > as I am. He responded by stating that he's never used mailman mailing > lists, and suggested I check the forums, so here I am, Unfortunately, if he doesn't know, then there is not likely to be anyone else that does. Maybe he could contact the Plesk people and they could help him, which would allow him to help you in turn. See also . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jp at warpix.org Tue Jan 18 11:00:17 2005 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:00:17 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] alias file Message-ID: <20050118100017.U18360@warpix.org> Is there any way to update an alias file automatically when running newlist? -- John From effebi at codicelibero.net Tue Jan 18 11:20:26 2005 From: effebi at codicelibero.net (effebi) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:20:26 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named csq - mailman 2.1.5 In-Reply-To: References: <20050116182439.GA1823@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050118102026.GA3471@localhost.localdomain> [Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 01:06:33PM -0800] - Mark Sapiro scrive: > If you are able to stop mailman for a while, you might try the > following: > > bin/mailmanctl stop > > then rename the lists/ directory e.g. i tryied to do what you say but don't solve i noticed this instead: when stop mailman /etc/init.d/mailman stop and /etc/init.d/mailman start i get this error message: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 122, in ? main() File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 94, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 593, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 566, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) ImportError: No module named csq\uffff]q\uffffUbounce_notify_owner_on_disableq\uffffI01 Site list for mailman (usually named mailman) missing Please create it; until then, mailman will refuse to start i created 'mailman' list in installation process with mistaken paths (http instead of httpS, with cgi-bin/ directory in url path) because after it i modified mm_cfg.py i'm starting to think that deleting and re-creating 'mailman' list should solve someting, you think this create others problems to the system? From psk at informatik.rwth-aachen.de Tue Jan 18 12:30:43 2005 From: psk at informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Peter Schneider-Kamp) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:30:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new HOWTO - Migrate from LISTSERV to Mailman Message-ID: <41ECF363.3010608@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi! I have written up information on how to migrate from L-Soft's LISTSERV to Mailman. The HOWTO is available at http://www-i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/~nowonder/ls2mm/ Of course, this is work in progress. Kind regards, Peter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB7PNj3VbrCXkKHhwRAgDFAJ4pQfuPAGY5fdkyloS1B3y87TZJ3QCgvoQt Ri2w3S+j1Ffp9My4oTQxEWg= =1wyv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jp at warpix.org Tue Jan 18 12:44:40 2005 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:44:40 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission denied Message-ID: <20050118114440.X18360@warpix.org> After running newlist I get a queued file waiting to get sent out to the list owner, which I believe is released by running 'qrunner virgin', but I get this:- Jan 18 11:35:20 2005 qrunner(10393): Traceback (most recent call last): Jan 18 11:35:20 2005 qrunner(10393): File "qrunner", line 270, in ? Jan 18 11:35:20 2005 qrunner(10393): main() Jan 18 11:35:20 2005 qrunner(10393): File "qrunner", line 230, in main Jan 18 11:35:20 2005 qrunner(10393): qrunner.run() Jan 18 11:35:20 2005 qrunner(10393): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 70, in run Jan 18 11:35:20 2005 qrunner(10393): filecnt = self._oneloop() Jan 18 11:35:20 2005 qrunner(10393): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 99, in _oneloop Jan 18 11:35:20 2005 qrunner(10393): msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) Jan 18 11:35:20 2005 qrunner(10393): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 144, in dequeue Jan 18 11:35:20 2005 qrunner(10393): os.unlink(filename) Jan 18 11:35:20 2005 qrunner(10393): OSError : [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/virgin/1106041778.22+6270e8743606d6150c4dd1d6abbb5b7514ed40ce.pck' Is the Errno 13 something which is received from the OS? I don't know much about Python but I'd just like to try this os.unlink in isolation. What would my Python program need to include? -- John From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Jan 18 12:11:49 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:11:49 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] alias file In-Reply-To: <20050118100017.U18360@warpix.org> References: <20050118100017.U18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: At 10:00 AM +0000 2005-01-18, John Poltorak wrote: > Is there any way to update an alias file automatically when running > newlist? Well, if you're running sendmail, you could automate alias generation using the same mechanism as is supported with postfix. For postfix, see the README.POSTFIX file that comes with the Mailman source code tarball, for sendmail see . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Jan 18 13:10:38 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:10:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission denied In-Reply-To: <20050118114440.X18360@warpix.org> References: <20050118114440.X18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: At 11:44 AM +0000 2005-01-18, John Poltorak wrote: > Jan 18 11:35:20 2005 qrunner(10393): OSError : [Errno 13] Permission denied: > >'/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/virgin/1106041778.22+6270e8743606d6150c4dd1d6abbb5b7514ed40ce.pck' > > > > Is the Errno 13 something which is received from the OS? Looking in /usr/include/errno.h on one of my machines, I see the following: #define EPERM 1 /* Operation not permitted */ #define ENOENT 2 /* No such file or directory */ #define ESRCH 3 /* No such process */ #define EINTR 4 /* Interrupted system call */ #define EIO 5 /* Input/output error */ #define ENXIO 6 /* Device not configured */ #define E2BIG 7 /* Argument list too long */ #define ENOEXEC 8 /* Exec format error */ #define EBADF 9 /* Bad file descriptor */ #define ECHILD 10 /* No child processes */ #define EDEADLK 11 /* Resource deadlock avoided */ /* 11 was EAGAIN */ #define ENOMEM 12 /* Cannot allocate memory */ #define EACCES 13 /* Permission denied */ #define EFAULT 14 /* Bad address */ So, errno=13 is definitely being passed up by the OS to Mailman, which is correctly interpreting this to mean that some file/filesystem permission was denied to it. As to exactly what that means in your particular context, it's hard to say. I'd go looking at permissions and ownership of everything from /usr/local/mailman on down, and try running the program /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms. > I don't know much about Python but I'd just like to try this os.unlink in > isolation. What would my Python program need to include? All this routine will do is pass the filename to the system call "unlink()", and handle the glue necessary to make the translation to/from C and Python. I don't think that there's anything useful to test here. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jp at warpix.org Tue Jan 18 14:55:43 2005 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:55:43 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission denied In-Reply-To: ; from Brad Knowles on Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 01:10:38PM +0100 References: <20050118114440.X18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: <20050118135543.Z18360@warpix.org> On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 01:10:38PM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 11:44 AM +0000 2005-01-18, John Poltorak wrote: > > So, errno=13 is definitely being passed up by the OS to Mailman, > which is correctly interpreting this to mean that some > file/filesystem permission was denied to it. > > As to exactly what that means in your particular context, it's > hard to say. I'd go looking at permissions and ownership of > everything from /usr/local/mailman on down, and try running the > program /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms. It won't be anything to do with file ownership, because the concept does not exist on the platform I'm using. It probably means that some other process is using the file at the time... > > > I don't know much about Python but I'd just like to try this os.unlink in > > isolation. What would my Python program need to include? > > All this routine will do is pass the filename to the system call > "unlink()", and handle the glue necessary to make the translation > to/from C and Python. I don't think that there's anything useful to > test here. Well I guess I need to dip my toes in the water regarding Python at some time... How do I put a pause in the program at this point? I don't even know how to code a 'print' statement.. > > -- > Brad Knowles, > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. -- John From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Jan 18 15:09:55 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:09:55 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission denied In-Reply-To: <20050118135543.Z18360@warpix.org> References: <20050118114440.X18360@warpix.org> <20050118135543.Z18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: At 1:55 PM +0000 2005-01-18, John Poltorak wrote: > It won't be anything to do with file ownership, because the concept does > not exist on the platform I'm using. It probably means that some other > process is using the file at the time... Uh, so what platform are you using? > Well I guess I need to dip my toes in the water regarding Python at some > time... How do I put a pause in the program at this point? I don't even > know how to code a 'print' statement.. I'll have to leave this question to one of the other people who have knowledge of programming in Python. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From psk at informatik.rwth-aachen.de Tue Jan 18 15:55:50 2005 From: psk at informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Peter Schneider-Kamp) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:55:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission denied In-Reply-To: References: <20050118114440.X18360@warpix.org> <20050118135543.Z18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: <41ED2376.7010201@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brad Knowles wrote: | At 1:55 PM +0000 2005-01-18, John Poltorak wrote: |> Well I guess I need to dip my toes in the water regarding Python at some |> time... How do I put a pause in the program at this point? I don't even |> know how to code a 'print' statement.. | | I'll have to leave this question to one of the other people who have | knowledge of programming in Python. Okay, I'll try :-) Pausing can for example be accomplished by reading a line from the standard input: raw_input() The print-Statement is very easy, too. You just give it something to print to standard output: print "Hello World" print 10 A trailing comma will prevent the newline from being added at the end. You can separate different things to print by putting a comma in between: print "Hello World!",10, This will print the String "Hello World! 10 " to the terminal. Note that each comma (including the trailing one) inserts one space. Of course, you can use string concatenation (with +) instead of commas thereby avoiding the extra spaces. In these cases you might want to use str(x) to convert object x into a string: print "Hello World!"+str(10) Finally, you can print to a different file, e.g. standard error, by using the following syntax: print >> sys.stderr, "This goes to the standard error." Hope that helps, Peter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB7SN23VbrCXkKHhwRAvdeAJwKAtiE8q8DeUONwAc9AeW00yTnHwCglL7o Qc7vUwhQ5G2F6Pj3+yAHM7w= =W79T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jp at warpix.org Tue Jan 18 16:21:49 2005 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:21:49 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission denied In-Reply-To: ; from Brad Knowles on Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 03:09:55PM +0100 References: <20050118114440.X18360@warpix.org> <20050118135543.Z18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: <20050118152149.C18360@warpix.org> On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 03:09:55PM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 1:55 PM +0000 2005-01-18, John Poltorak wrote: > > > It won't be anything to do with file ownership, because the concept does > > not exist on the platform I'm using. It probably means that some other > > process is using the file at the time... > > Uh, so what platform are you using? OS/2 I have had Mailman 2.0.13 working previously after a few minor patches, but Id like to get it uptodate. > -- > Brad Knowles, > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. -- John From jp at warpix.org Tue Jan 18 16:39:48 2005 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:39:48 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission denied In-Reply-To: ; from Brad Knowles on Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 01:10:38PM +0100 References: <20050118114440.X18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: <20050118153948.D18360@warpix.org> On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 01:10:38PM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 11:44 AM +0000 2005-01-18, John Poltorak wrote: > > > Jan 18 11:35:20 2005 qrunner(10393): OSError : [Errno 13] Permission denied: > > > >'/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/virgin/1106041778.22+6270e8743606d6150c4dd1d6abbb5b7514ed40ce.pck' > > > > > > > > Is the Errno 13 something which is received from the OS? > > > So, errno=13 is definitely being passed up by the OS to Mailman, > which is correctly interpreting this to mean that some > file/filesystem permission was denied to it. > > As to exactly what that means in your particular context, it's > hard to say. I'd go looking at permissions and ownership of > everything from /usr/local/mailman on down, and try running the > program /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms. I think the problem is trying to delete an open file... Is there any reason why the os.unlink (in Switchboard.py) below couldn't be done after fp.close? def dequeue(self, filebase): # Calculate the filename from the given filebase. filename = os.path.join(self.__whichq, filebase + '.pck') # Read the message object and metadata. fp = open(filename) os.unlink(filename) try: msg = cPickle.load(fp) data = cPickle.load(fp) finally: fp.close() if data.get('_parsemsg'): msg = email.message_from_string(msg, Message.Message) return msg, data > -- > Brad Knowles, > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. -- John From jp at warpix.org Tue Jan 18 17:54:18 2005 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:54:18 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] shunt queue Message-ID: <20050118165418.H18360@warpix.org> I tried subscribing to my test list and get a file created in the shunt queue. What is this queue for and how do I process it? qrunner --runner=All doesn't seem to get rid of it. -- John From afreyvogel at ecmarket.com Tue Jan 18 18:02:09 2005 From: afreyvogel at ecmarket.com (Andreas Freyvogel) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:02:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission denied In-Reply-To: <20050118153948.D18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: Have you tried running "check_perms -f"? I had some similar problems with a new installation and it turns out the permissions on the files and directories weren't correct - that command should fix it. Hope that helps. -Andreas -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of John Poltorak Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:40 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Permission denied On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 01:10:38PM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 11:44 AM +0000 2005-01-18, John Poltorak wrote: > > > Jan 18 11:35:20 2005 qrunner(10393): OSError : [Errno 13] Permission denied: > > > >'/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/virgin/1106041778.22+6270e8743606d6150c4dd1d6abb b5b7514ed40ce.pck' > > > > > > > > Is the Errno 13 something which is received from the OS? > > > So, errno=13 is definitely being passed up by the OS to Mailman, > which is correctly interpreting this to mean that some > file/filesystem permission was denied to it. > > As to exactly what that means in your particular context, it's > hard to say. I'd go looking at permissions and ownership of > everything from /usr/local/mailman on down, and try running the > program /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms. I think the problem is trying to delete an open file... Is there any reason why the os.unlink (in Switchboard.py) below couldn't be done after fp.close? def dequeue(self, filebase): # Calculate the filename from the given filebase. filename = os.path.join(self.__whichq, filebase + '.pck') # Read the message object and metadata. fp = open(filename) os.unlink(filename) try: msg = cPickle.load(fp) data = cPickle.load(fp) finally: fp.close() if data.get('_parsemsg'): msg = email.message_from_string(msg, Message.Message) return msg, data > -- > Brad Knowles, > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. -- John ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From caylan at aero.und.edu Tue Jan 18 19:25:56 2005 From: caylan at aero.und.edu (Caylan Larson) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:25:56 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Topics and Keywords, Consolidation and Filtering Message-ID: <64F85AC4-697E-11D9-BBAB-000D93583D72@aero.und.edu> Good Afternoon, Question: Can Mailman add the "Keywords: " header, or similar, to leave an audit-trail so clients can sort their mail based on topics that were matched? Verbose situation follows... A list has been created that has multiple topics (in this case operating-systems), each topic containing a half-dozen keywords (apple, microsoft, linux, solaris, etc.). This list is called admins at example.com. Our sys-admins subscribe to various topics; delivery works great. To make it easy for our users to contact each team, we have setup the following in /etc/postfix/aliases: =========SNIP========= apple: | "/usr/local/sbin/subject-prefix.sh Apple admins" microsoft: | "/usr/local/sbin/subject-prefix.sh Microsoft admins" linux: | "/usr/local/sbin/subject-prefix.sh Linux admins" network: | "/usr/local/sbin/subject-prefix.sh Network admins" =========SNAP The subject-prefix script contains a simple sed substitution, which adds a "Keywords: " header, and passes of to the Mailman list: =========SNIP========= #!/bin/sh NEWLINE='\ ' /bin/sed "s/Subject:/Keywords:\ $1$NEWLINE\Subject:/" | /usr/sbin/sendmail $2 =========SNAP Note: If they were multiple Mailman lists, (which they were at one point), and I was subscribed to Apple/Linux/Network, I would end up getting 3 separate emails if someone CCd an issue to all 3. With topics, we get one nice email. Can Mailman add the "Keywords: " header, or similar, to leave an audit-trail so clients can sort their mail based on topics that were matched? If not, how is a user able to identify (or debug) what a particular piece of mail pertains to. I do not want duplication or redundancy between Mailman-topic-definitions and client-filter-rules. Thoughts? Thanks for reading, Caylan From jp at warpix.org Tue Jan 18 19:51:53 2005 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:51:53 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] alias file In-Reply-To: ; from Brad Knowles on Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 12:11:49PM +0100 References: <20050118100017.U18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: <20050118185153.K18360@warpix.org> On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 12:11:49PM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 10:00 AM +0000 2005-01-18, John Poltorak wrote: > > > Is there any way to update an alias file automatically when running > > newlist? > > Well, if you're running sendmail, you could automate alias > generation using the same mechanism as is supported with postfix. > For postfix, see the README.POSTFIX file that comes with the Mailman > source code tarball, for sendmail see > . Is the addition of these lines to mm_cfg.py all that is essentially required:- ? MTA='Postfix' POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/bin/sudo /usr/local/sbin/mailman.aliases' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [] So basically I'm pretending to be running Postfix instead of Sendmail and telling Mailman where to put the newly created aliases. What is the last line for? > -- > Brad Knowles, > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. -- John From jp at warpix.org Tue Jan 18 22:21:33 2005 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:21:33 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AssertionError Message-ID: <20050118212133.L18360@warpix.org> What is an AssertionError and how do I get rid of it? It occurs when I start mailmanctl which outputs this error:- Traceback (most recent call last): File "mailmanctl", line 547, in ? main() File "mailmanctl", line 402, in main lock._transfer_to(pid) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 398, in _transfer_to assert self.__linkcount() == 2 AssertionError What is this trying to do? -- John From jdennis at redhat.com Tue Jan 18 22:46:51 2005 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:46:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AssertionError In-Reply-To: <20050118212133.L18360@warpix.org> References: <20050118212133.L18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: <1106084811.2353.23.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Tue, 2005-01-18 at 16:21, John Poltorak wrote: > What is an AssertionError and how do I get rid of it? > > It occurs when I start mailmanctl which outputs this error:- > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "mailmanctl", line 547, in ? > main() > File "mailmanctl", line 402, in main > lock._transfer_to(pid) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 398, in _transfer_to > assert self.__linkcount() == 2 > AssertionError > > > What is this trying to do? In UNIX file systems files are represented as inodes. There is a list in every directory of file names and the inodes they point to. Multiple names can point to one inode. When a name points to an inode it is called a link. Thus both "fileA" and "fileB" can be the exact same file if their links point to the same inode. The code in question just created a 2nd link (2nd filename) to the same file and its asserting that exactly two names exist for that file. Since you're porting to OS2 which does not to the best of my knowledge support UNIX filesystems you'll have to rewrite this code. -- John Dennis From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 19 01:22:12 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:22:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] shunt queue In-Reply-To: <20050118165418.H18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: John Poltorak wrote: > >I tried subscribing to my test list and get a file created in the shunt >queue. > >What is this queue for and how do I process it? qrunner --runner=All >doesn't seem to get rid of it. The shunt queue is where things are set aside for reprocessing later (manually). See the Mailman error log for the reason why the message was shunted. Once the problem is fixed, run bin/unshunt to retry processing the message. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 19 02:52:59 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:52:59 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named csq - mailman 2.1.5 In-Reply-To: <20050118102026.GA3471@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: effebi wrote: > >i tryied to do what you say but don't solve >i noticed this instead: > >when stop mailman > >/etc/init.d/mailman stop >and >/etc/init.d/mailman start > >i get this error message: > >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 122, in ? > main() > File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 94, in main > mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__ > self.Load() > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 593, in Load > dict, e = self.__load(file) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 566, in __load > dict = loadfunc(fp) >ImportError: No module named csq\uffff]q\uffffUbounce_notify_owner_on_disableq\uffffI01 >Site list for mailman (usually named mailman) missing >Please create it; until then, mailman will refuse to start It is not clear what is running /var/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists here. mailmanctl doesn't run it and it isn't in the script which is normally in /etc/init.d/mailman. >i created 'mailman' list in installation process with mistaken paths >(http instead of httpS, with cgi-bin/ directory in url path) because >after it i modified mm_cfg.py > >i'm starting to think that deleting and re-creating 'mailman' list should >solve someting, you think this create others problems to the system? If the mailman list is messed up because you changed DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN after creating it, you should be able to fix that with bin/withlist -l -r fix_url mailman However, if you want to just delete the mailman list and recreate it, that should be OK too. If the problem is with the mailman list, that should fix it. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jbeall at heraldic.us Wed Jan 19 03:26:20 2005 From: jbeall at heraldic.us (Joshua Beall) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:26:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Resetting admin password Message-ID: Hi All, I have a WHM/Cpanel server that with Mailman 2.1.5 installed (and running fine, up until now). However, I have been trying to using cpanel's 'reset list admin password' feature to reset the admin password for one of my list, and it's not working. I know I'm not mistyping it, because I've repeatedly tried copying and pasting the same password into the "change admin password to" field in cpanel, and then subsequently into the admin password field when attempting to login to the web admin tool for Mailman. Cpanel always reports success when resetting the password, but it is not working. I am wondering what my other options for resetting this password are? Not everybody has cpanel installed - what is the "normal" way to reset a lost admin password for Mailman? Thanks for any assistance! Sincerely, -Josh From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 19 03:47:11 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:47:11 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Topics and Keywords, Consolidation and Filtering In-Reply-To: <64F85AC4-697E-11D9-BBAB-000D93583D72@aero.und.edu> Message-ID: Caylan Larson wrote: > >A list has been created that has multiple topics (in this case >operating-systems), each topic containing a half-dozen keywords (apple, >microsoft, linux, solaris, etc.). This list is called >admins at example.com. Our sys-admins subscribe to various topics; >delivery works great. > >To make it easy for our users to contact each team, we have setup the >following in /etc/postfix/aliases: >=========SNIP========= >apple: | "/usr/local/sbin/subject-prefix.sh Apple admins" >microsoft: | "/usr/local/sbin/subject-prefix.sh Microsoft admins" >linux: | "/usr/local/sbin/subject-prefix.sh Linux admins" >network: | "/usr/local/sbin/subject-prefix.sh Network admins" >=========SNAP > >The subject-prefix script contains a simple sed substitution, which >adds a "Keywords: " header, and passes of to the Mailman list: >=========SNIP========= >#!/bin/sh > >NEWLINE='\ >' >/bin/sed "s/Subject:/Keywords:\ $1$NEWLINE\Subject:/" | >/usr/sbin/sendmail $2 >=========SNAP > >Note: If they were multiple Mailman lists, (which they were at one >point), and I was subscribed to Apple/Linux/Network, I would end up >getting 3 separate emails if someone CCd an issue to all 3. With >topics, we get one nice email. I must be missing something here. The way you have it above, if someone Ccd Apple, Linux and Network, wouldn't there ultimately be three messages to the admins list, each with one of the Keywords:? >Can Mailman add the "Keywords: " header, or similar, to leave an >audit-trail so clients can sort their mail based on topics that were >matched? If not, how is a user able to identify (or debug) what a >particular piece of mail pertains to. You might be able to add a new module to the pipeline to add a Keywords: header, but based on what and how would the result be different from what you're doing above? Ultimately, whatever Mailman uses to assign a message to a topic is somewhere in the message Mailman sees to begin with. The user/recipient can see whatever Mailman saw. >I do not want duplication or redundancy between >Mailman-topic-definitions and client-filter-rules. I think this must be the crux of what you're trying to get at, but I still don't understand. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 19 04:00:12 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:00:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Resetting admin password In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joshua Beall wrote: > >I have a WHM/Cpanel server that with Mailman 2.1.5 installed (and running >fine, up until now). > >However, I have been trying to using cpanel's 'reset list admin password' >feature to reset the admin password for one of my list, and it's not >working. I know I'm not mistyping it, because I've repeatedly tried copying >and pasting the same password into the "change admin password to" field in >cpanel, and then subsequently into the admin password field when attempting >to login to the web admin tool for Mailman. > >Cpanel always reports success when resetting the password, but it is not >working. Have you seen http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp >I am wondering what my other options for resetting this password are? Not >everybody has cpanel installed - what is the "normal" way to reset a lost >admin password for Mailman? Go to http://www.example.com/mailman/admin//passwords and log in with the site password, or use bin/change_pw and if you don't know the site password, use bin/mmsitepass to set a new one. The site password isn't required for change_pw, only for the web interface. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jbeall at heraldic.us Wed Jan 19 04:36:22 2005 From: jbeall at heraldic.us (Joshua Beall) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:36:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Resetting admin password References: Message-ID: "Mark Sapiro" wrote in message news:PC1730200501181900120984d0dbc0e4 at msapiro... > Go to http://www.example.com/mailman/admin//passwords and log > in with the site password, or use > > bin/change_pw change_pw was the ticket. Thanks! From jccann at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 07:39:13 2005 From: jccann at gmail.com (Jeffery Cann) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:39:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posted list messages not adding to archives Message-ID: We moved our mailman lists from one server to another. We also went from mailman 2.0.6 (?) to 2.1.5. So, I didn't fiddle with moving the lists, but simply recreated them and imported users. I also copied the archive mbox files to their respective new locations and ran the 'arch' command to generate new archives. All was well (except that the dates of some really old messages are not parsed and were added to the current month). Here's the problem: messages posted to the new lists (archive option is on -- I confirmed this tonight) do not get added to the archives. I'm thinking that I missed something when we did the move. The other change on the server (we went from a Redhat 5.2 box to FC3) was to move off send mail and onto postfix. I'm not sure if this would affect this problem, as I thought the mailman program took care of updating archive files. I appreciate any suggestions. Jeff From samuel at haader.com Wed Jan 19 10:29:44 2005 From: samuel at haader.com (Samuel Gabel) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:29:44 +0200 (WAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages being archived but not sent Message-ID: <2094134.1106126984399.SLOX.WebMail.wwwrun@sloth.ssde.net> Hi Users, i am working with a SuSE Linux OpenExchange Server 4.1, Postfix and Mailman 2.1.5. I've set up everything as far as i can see according to the rules in the INSTALL and README files. After some initial problems i can now send mail to whatever list i create and postfix hands them over to mailman. Then i can actually not see anything in the mailman log files. The only thing that happens is, that the posts get archived, but no mails are being sent to the subscribers. What i also noticed is that the automatically generated mails from list-bounces aso do get rejected with :Recipient address rejected, Access denied in smtp-failures. I already tried changing the smtpport from 25 to 10025 and changing the smtphost from localhost to the actual ip-address as it says in the faqs. Another wierd thing i just encountered is, that i get the 'bug-message' after creating a new list, even though the list does get created correctly. Thank you very much. samuel From jp at warpix.org Wed Jan 19 11:42:36 2005 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:42:36 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AssertionError In-Reply-To: <1106084811.2353.23.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com>; from John Dennis on Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 04:46:51PM -0500 References: <20050118212133.L18360@warpix.org> <1106084811.2353.23.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050119104236.P18360@warpix.org> On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 04:46:51PM -0500, John Dennis wrote: > On Tue, 2005-01-18 at 16:21, John Poltorak wrote: > > What is an AssertionError and how do I get rid of it? > > > > It occurs when I start mailmanctl which outputs this error:- > > > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "mailmanctl", line 547, in ? > > main() > > File "mailmanctl", line 402, in main > > lock._transfer_to(pid) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 398, in _transfer_to > > assert self.__linkcount() == 2 > > AssertionError > > > > > > What is this trying to do? > > In UNIX file systems files are represented as inodes. There is a list in > every directory of file names and the inodes they point to. Multiple > names can point to one inode. When a name points to an inode it is > called a link. Thus both "fileA" and "fileB" can be the exact same file > if their links point to the same inode. > > The code in question just created a 2nd link (2nd filename) to the same > file and its asserting that exactly two names exist for that file. > > Since you're porting to OS2 which does not to the best of my knowledge > support UNIX filesystems you'll have to rewrite this code. I thought Mailman was supposed to be platform independent... I didn't have this particular problem with v2.0.13 but I guess this must be some thing new related to mailmanctl. As far as rewriting this code goes, I'm a bit stuck because, a) I don't know Python, b) I don't know what the purpose of the code is. Maybe I can just comment it out... > -- > John Dennis > -- John From dsr at best-off.org Wed Jan 19 11:42:10 2005 From: dsr at best-off.org (Daniel S. Reichenbach) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:42:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ezmlm to mailman Message-ID: <20050119114210.9n0jvd6j9umwsgco@toaster.best-off.org> Hi, I have searched a while through the list archives and google but found no reasonable way to convert an existing ezmlm list with subscribers and archive to a mailman list. Did anyone succeed in doing this? There seem to be a lot of posts in the archive, but none that reports success on this issue. The list is currently served by ezmlm and qmail, but the new servers have Postfix and Mailman available and no support for qmail. Any hints would be very appreciated. Thanks, Daniel S. Reichenbach -- blog - http://people.best-off.org/~dsr/ gpg - http://people.best-off.org/~dsr/gpg.asc work - http://www.best-off.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: PGP Digital Signature Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20050119/2cd48947/attachment.pgp From psk at informatik.rwth-aachen.de Wed Jan 19 11:59:58 2005 From: psk at informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Peter Schneider-Kamp) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:59:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ezmlm to mailman In-Reply-To: <20050119114210.9n0jvd6j9umwsgco@toaster.best-off.org> References: <20050119114210.9n0jvd6j9umwsgco@toaster.best-off.org> Message-ID: <41EE3DAE.1040607@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Daniel S. Reichenbach wrote: | Any hints would be very appreciated. If you plan on using MHonArc for the archives, you can import the ezmlm archives directly: http://www.mhonarc.org/MHonArc/doc/faq/envs.html#ezmlm Regards, Peter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB7j2t3VbrCXkKHhwRAnzmAJ0dmto2RE6rPlIlu+Mgslsy3QGGmQCgizze 7rGBVyfq8l3WXSfJpeL2YTs= =QNZc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From agerson at cgps.org Tue Jan 18 17:41:52 2005 From: agerson at cgps.org (Adam Gerson) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:41:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Global Pref Change Message-ID: Is there a way to change a pref for ALL of your lists at once? Thanks, Adam ------------------------------- Adam Gerson Assistant Director of Technology Columbia Grammar and Prep School phone. 212-749-6200 ex. 379 mobile. 917-679-0234 fax. 212-428-6806 agerson at cgps.org http://www.cgps.org Public key - http://keyserver.noreply.org/ From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Jan 19 13:09:39 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:09:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posted list messages not adding to archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:39 PM -0700 2005-01-18, Jeffery Cann wrote: > Here's the problem: messages posted to the new lists (archive option > is on -- I confirmed this tonight) do not get added to the archives. Have you seen the troubleshooting FAQ entry at ? -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Jan 19 13:11:26 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:11:26 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AssertionError In-Reply-To: <20050119104236.P18360@warpix.org> References: <20050118212133.L18360@warpix.org> <1106084811.2353.23.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> <20050119104236.P18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: At 10:42 AM +0000 2005-01-19, John Poltorak wrote: >> Since you're porting to OS2 which does not to the best of my knowledge >> support UNIX filesystems you'll have to rewrite this code. > > I thought Mailman was supposed to be platform independent... I didn't have > this particular problem with v2.0.13 but I guess this must be some thing > new related to mailmanctl. I believe that it is platform independent to a degree, but I don't know that OS/2 was ever considered to be officially part of that degree. Certainly, you're the only person I've ever encountered who has discussed using Mailman on OS/2. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Jan 19 13:10:12 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:10:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages being archived but not sent In-Reply-To: <2094134.1106126984399.SLOX.WebMail.wwwrun@sloth.ssde.net> References: <2094134.1106126984399.SLOX.WebMail.wwwrun@sloth.ssde.net> Message-ID: At 11:29 AM +0200 2005-01-19, Samuel Gabel wrote: > After some initial problems i can now send mail to whatever list i > create and postfix hands them over to mailman. Then i can actually not > see anything in the mailman log files. The only thing that happens is, > that the posts get archived, but no mails are being sent to the > subscribers. Have you seen the troubleshooting FAQ entry at ? -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From samuel at haader.com Wed Jan 19 14:26:36 2005 From: samuel at haader.com (Samuel Gabel) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:26:36 +0200 (WAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages being archived but not sent In-Reply-To: References: <2094134.1106126984399.SLOX.WebMail.wwwrun@sloth.ssde.net> Message-ID: <7318012.1106141196520.SLOX.WebMail.wwwrun@sloth.ssde.net> I did see that faq article and actually went trough all of these things. 8 qrunner-processes plus the mailmanctl are running, cron is running, even though i don't think it is necessary for the newer versions. Check_perms reports no errors. /var/log/mail shows postfix to give the messages to the command '/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post lbf' In /var/lib/mailman/logs/post i can not see anything of any mail i send, i only see post from list-bounces or list-request failing. in /logs/smtp-failures it tries to send mails to the subscribers but always gets failures like: Jan 19 11:16:52 2005 (27278) delivery to samuel at blabla.com failed with code 554: : Recipient address rejected: Access denied In /logs/bounces it registers the of course bounced messages to the subscribers. Also the messages get archived. I do not see anything in the /qfiles/in or /out folders, but i also don't know if anything is meant to stay in there. To me it seems like there is a problem with the connection back from mailman to postfix, but i don't know what to do from there. Postfix is running and listening on ports 25 and 10025, but i cannot see any activity from mailman trying to send in the postfix logs. Please help thanks samuel From alkaps at yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 13:43:25 2005 From: alkaps at yahoo.com (Ari Kaplan) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:43:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman mailing list question Message-ID: <20050119124325.30682.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Hi - I recently had a mailing list located at http://arikaplan.net/mailman/admin/articles_arikaplan.net and hosted by 2mhost.com. The host deleted this mailing list of e-mail addresses without my knowledge or authorization. Do you think it is possible that there is still a backup of this list anywhere in the mailman system? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page ? Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From jp at warpix.org Wed Jan 19 15:13:44 2005 From: jp at warpix.org (John Poltorak) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:13:44 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AssertionError In-Reply-To: ; from Brad Knowles on Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 01:11:26PM +0100 References: <20050118212133.L18360@warpix.org> <1106084811.2353.23.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> <20050119104236.P18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: <20050119141344.S18360@warpix.org> On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 01:11:26PM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 10:42 AM +0000 2005-01-19, John Poltorak wrote: > > >> Since you're porting to OS2 which does not to the best of my knowledge > >> support UNIX filesystems you'll have to rewrite this code. > > > > I thought Mailman was supposed to be platform independent... I didn't have > > this particular problem with v2.0.13 but I guess this must be some thing > > new related to mailmanctl. > > I believe that it is platform independent to a degree, but I > don't know that OS/2 was ever considered to be officially part of > that degree. It probably wasn't but I can build the latest version of Zope which is also a Python app without requiring any source code changes at all, and Zope is a pretty complex app. > Certainly, you're the only person I've ever encountered > who has discussed using Mailman on OS/2. I don't doubt it. Maybe I'm the only OS/2 user who has recognised the quality of Mailman and would also like to use it without having to change platforms ;-)... I've been running Majordomo for several years but am desperate to move to something more feature rich. If anyone can suggest what I can do about the Assertion error I will try to patch my code. It would a shame to pack up at this point since I do have so much of the package working already. > -- > Brad Knowles, > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. -- John From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Jan 19 15:33:35 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:33:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AssertionError In-Reply-To: <20050119141344.S18360@warpix.org> References: <20050118212133.L18360@warpix.org> <1106084811.2353.23.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> <20050119104236.P18360@warpix.org> <20050119141344.S18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: At 2:13 PM +0000 2005-01-19, John Poltorak wrote: > If anyone can suggest what I can do about the Assertion error I will try > to patch my code. It would a shame to pack up at this point since I do > have so much of the package working already. You may need to take this conversation to mailman-developers. I know that there is a lot of overlap between the two lists, but I don't know how many of the mailman-developers folks pay close attention to such issues on this list. Certainly, as a development issue related to Mailman, it seems to me that this thread would be on-topic for that list. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 19 16:42:22 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:42:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman mailing list question In-Reply-To: <20050119124325.30682.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ari Kaplan wrote: >Hi - I recently had a mailing list located at >http://arikaplan.net/mailman/admin/articles_arikaplan.net >and hosted by 2mhost.com. The host deleted this >mailing list of e-mail addresses without my knowledge >or authorization. Do you think it is possible that >there is still a backup of this list anywhere in the >mailman system? Mailman keeps one generation of "backup" of the list configuration and membership, but it's almost certainly gone too. The working file is in lists//config.pck and the backup is lists//config.pck.last. Normal processes for deleting a list will remove the lists// directory. Are the archives gone too? If so, there is no backup within Mailman. 2mhost.com may have system backups (used for disaster recovery, etc.) which contain your list and/or its archives. If you could get the config.pck file and the archives/private/.mbox/.mbox files, you would have what you need to recover the list and rebuild the archives. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jdennis at redhat.com Wed Jan 19 16:44:09 2005 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:44:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AssertionError In-Reply-To: <20050119104236.P18360@warpix.org> References: <20050118212133.L18360@warpix.org> <1106084811.2353.23.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> <20050119104236.P18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: <1106149449.2353.1053.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 05:42, John Poltorak wrote: > I thought Mailman was supposed to be platform independent... I didn't have > this particular problem with v2.0.13 but I guess this must be some thing > new related to mailmanctl. Mailman is UNIX only. Perhaps you've confused the fact that python the language it's written in is OS independent. That said much of mailman is platform independent, its just not %100 independent and I'm not aware of any effort to make it %100 independent of UNIX. Also the problem you're having is with the most UNIX specific part of mailman, the control of processes. I suspect if you work through the issues with mailmanctl you'll be a long way towards getting your port finished. -- John Dennis From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 19 16:48:15 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:48:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posted list messages not adding to archives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeffery Cann wrote: > >Here's the problem: messages posted to the new lists (archive option >is on -- I confirmed this tonight) do not get added to the archives. > >I'm thinking that I missed something when we did the move. > >The other change on the server (we went from a Redhat 5.2 box to FC3) >was to move off send mail and onto postfix. I'm not sure if this >would affect this problem, as I thought the mailman program took care >of updating archive files. It may be a permissions problem on the archives somehow although if you built the archive on the new system with "bin/arch --wipe ", it should be OK. If you didn't use "--wipe", try it again with that option. Also check the Mailman error log and see if the messages are in the shunt queue (if so, run bin/unshunt to get them out after the problem is resolved). -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jdennis at redhat.com Wed Jan 19 17:28:47 2005 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:28:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AssertionError In-Reply-To: References: <20050118212133.L18360@warpix.org> <1106084811.2353.23.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> <20050119104236.P18360@warpix.org> <20050119141344.S18360@warpix.org> Message-ID: <1106152127.2353.1133.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> Just so you're not left in the woods, here is a brief summary of what mailmanctl does. First of all its a daemon, which in UNIX speak means its a system service that always runs in the background, is started by the system, and does not interact with a user with any IO. It's job is to start a number of children processes, these are the qrunners, each has a specific queue it monitors. Mailmanctl watches for the "health" of its children, if one of its child qrunner processes die it will restart it (up to a certain restart limit, otherwise when there is a serious problem it would flood the system with processes that start and just immediately die). Communication with the child processes occurs with UNIX signals. Mailmanctl also manages locks to assure exactly one instance of mailman is running and can identify the running master process. It does some other housekeeping work as well, as well as verifying permissions, which are based on UNIX groups. Another part of mailman 2.1.5 that is very UNIX specific is the whole security and permission framework. If you look in the src directory you'll find C code which is compile into several "wrapper" programs. This is what the web server and the MTA exececute. They validate the calling process has permission to execute the requested python code. Also you'll discover that the web server (cgi) and MTA alias piping mechanism is probably very UNIX specific as well. Bottom line, the guts of mailman are platform neutral but it must hook into a larger system to actually perform its work and that system is very much UNIX. To get mailman to run with another OS you'll have to at a minimum address each of the issues I outlined above. -- John Dennis From river at unit-e.com Wed Jan 19 17:46:58 2005 From: river at unit-e.com (River Brandon) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:46:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ghost admin notice Message-ID: the list admin for a site i host continues to get notices that there is a message waiting for approval, but there is no message there. anyone have experience with this? any idea how to clear it out? thanks, river brandon From BPantejo at citco.com Wed Jan 19 18:19:49 2005 From: BPantejo at citco.com (Pantejo, Barbara FTL) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:19:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm_cfg.py and Creating new lists Message-ID: <69654C1963C8F64FA560BCC6ECD12B3A016DACA0@FTL1MSEX01> Hi everyone, I'm new to the mailman admin world and am having an issue with creating new mailing lists from remote systems. I think it has to do with the mm_cfg.py file, but I'm not sure. Currently, in the mm_cfg.py file is set with the following: DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'listman.citco.com' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'citco.com' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) Then I stopped and restarted the qrunner daemon. Also, the hostname, listman.citco.com, is listed in the hosts file with its associated IP address, 120.120.2.213. I can, successfully, create new mailing lists, locally, on the mailman server itself with this URL: http://listman.citco.com/mailman/create but, when I bring up a browser on another machine and use the same URL, I get the following error: "The page cannot be displayed" >From another machine, I can bring up the web page using the IP address in the URL: http://120.120.2.213/mailman/create but, when I try to create a new mailing list, I get the following error: "Error: Unknown virtual host: 120.120.2.213" But if I change mm_cfg.py with: DEFAULT_URL_HOST = '120.120.2.213' I can create new mailing lists from a remote machine, but now I cannot create new mailing lists locally! Help! Can anyone point me in the right direction to fix this issue? Thank you very much, Barbara From tzungi at seas.ucla.edu Wed Jan 19 22:50:49 2005 From: tzungi at seas.ucla.edu (Lee, Tzung-I) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:50:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] about the password Message-ID: <02fe01c4fe70$f4a85000$0800a8c0@walking> Hi I am the administrator of the TSAUCLA maillist but I can't login the web administration page now, I am not sure if i enter the wrong password. Can you send me the password again or reset it? Thanks a lot From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Jan 19 23:46:50 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:46:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] about the password In-Reply-To: <02fe01c4fe70$f4a85000$0800a8c0@walking> References: <02fe01c4fe70$f4a85000$0800a8c0@walking> Message-ID: At 1:50 PM -0800 2005-01-19, Lee, Tzung-I wrote: > I am the administrator of the TSAUCLA maillist > > but I can't login the web administration page now, I am not sure if i > enter the wrong password. > Can you send me the password again or reset it? We aren't the administrators of your mailing list server. You need to contact the people who operate that system. They may run the Mailman mailing list software, but they don't tell us when they're running it, and they don't give us all their passwords. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jccann at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 03:10:06 2005 From: jccann at gmail.com (Jeffery Cann) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:10:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posted list messages not adding to archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brad, Thank you for the pointer that FAQ entry '3.14. Troubleshooting: No mail going out to lists members'. This isn't the problem. List members get mail, but the mail is not archived on teh mailman server - despite that the 'archive' setting is turned on for each list. Jeff On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:09:39 +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 11:39 PM -0700 2005-01-18, Jeffery Cann wrote: > > > Here's the problem: messages posted to the new lists (archive option > > is on -- I confirmed this tonight) do not get added to the archives. > > Have you seen the troubleshooting FAQ entry at > ? > > -- > Brad Knowles, > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania > Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 > > SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. > From jwt at onjapan.net Thu Jan 20 03:24:46 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:24:46 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages being archived but not sent In-Reply-To: <7318012.1106141196520.SLOX.WebMail.wwwrun@sloth.ssde.net> References: <2094134.1106126984399.SLOX.WebMail.wwwrun@sloth.ssde.net> <7318012.1106141196520.SLOX.WebMail.wwwrun@sloth.ssde.net> Message-ID: <740B5490-6A8A-11D9-96DB-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Jan 19, 2005, at 22:26, Samuel Gabel wrote: > n /logs/smtp-failures it tries to send mails to the subscribers but > always gets failures like: > Jan 19 11:16:52 2005 (27278) delivery to samuel at blabla.com failed with > code 554: : Recipient address rejected: Access > denied > In /logs/bounces it registers the of course bounced messages to the > subscribers. I agree this does look like a problem with your Postfix configuration. Are you using its smtpd_sender_restrictions feature (or some other whitelisting feature) or does your Postfix require smtp auth? -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at onjapan.net Thu Jan 20 03:33:44 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:33:44 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ghost admin notice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 20, 2005, at 01:46, River Brandon wrote: > the list admin for a site i host continues to get notices that there > is a message waiting for approval, but there is no message there. > anyone have experience with this? any idea how to clear it out? Is it telling the list admin there are -1 requests waiting? If you so, and you are using Mailman 2.1.5, this is a known problem. Some ways of dealing with it are in the FAQ. Or, you might have a corrupt request database. You could simply remove it. (The file is in the lists/{name-of-list} directory, with the filename depending upon the version of Mailman you are using. request.pck for Mailman 2.1.5.) -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at onjapan.net Thu Jan 20 03:37:08 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:37:08 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm_cfg.py and Creating new lists In-Reply-To: <69654C1963C8F64FA560BCC6ECD12B3A016DACA0@FTL1MSEX01> References: <69654C1963C8F64FA560BCC6ECD12B3A016DACA0@FTL1MSEX01> Message-ID: <2E07D8B6-6A8C-11D9-96DB-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Jan 20, 2005, at 02:19, Pantejo, Barbara FTL wrote: > Also, the hostname, listman.citco.com, is listed in the hosts file > with its > associated IP address, 120.120.2.213. > > I can, successfully, create new mailing lists, locally, on the mailman > server itself with this URL: http://listman.citco.com/mailman/create > but, when I bring up a browser on another machine and use the same > URL, I > get the following error: "The page cannot be displayed" For the other machine to know about 'listman.citco.com', you will either need to add it to your DNS or add it to the hosts file on the machine (and every other machine that needs to lookup listman.citco.com). This is a DNS issue, not something directly related to Mailman. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at onjapan.net Thu Jan 20 03:41:13 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:41:13 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Global Pref Change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 19, 2005, at 01:41, Adam Gerson wrote: > Is there a way to change a pref for ALL of your lists at once? You can use the bin/withlist script's '-a' option in combination with '-r scriptname' to have it apply a configuration function to all lists. Run '~mailman/bin/withlist --help' for an example (and search the archives for many other examples). -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From Steven.Jones at vuw.ac.nz Thu Jan 20 04:09:49 2005 From: Steven.Jones at vuw.ac.nz (Steven Jones) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:09:49 +1300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on RHAS3 Message-ID: <06E2E60FB9C6EF409EFE472A8F4A82EBCDF03D@coso.staff.vuw.ac.nz> Setting up mailman on RHAS3-64 update 2 RH have released mailman as a supported package, so I decided to install mailman this way this rather than the mailman.noarch.rpm as it will get updated automatically when I run up2date. OK, so has anybody successfully installed RH's mailman like this? I also want to use the sourceforg webmin module to create lists and where previously this worked fine on a test box with mailman's rpm, with RH's rpm and the mailman webmin module no list is created...ie trying to create "its.unix" returns nothing and /etc/aliases is not updated. so does anybody have ideas where, 1) Errors might be logged? 2) What I have missed in setting it up? 3) The steps to go through to get rh's mailman running with webmin? I need to use webmin as in the past it automatically creates entries in /etc/aliases and I need this feature to allow the helpdesk to create lists without a sys admin interveening.... I am looking in the direction of permissions and/or incorrect user....at present I have created the mailman list using newlist successfully (as far as I can tell) and mailman is running as "service mailman status" shows a PID and ps aux |grep mailman shows 9 processes, 8 of which are runners. any ideas please? regards Steven From jccann at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 06:07:36 2005 From: jccann at gmail.com (Jeffery Cann) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:07:36 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posted list messages not adding to archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The arch --wipe fixed the problem. thank you. On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:48:15 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Jeffery Cann wrote: > > > >Here's the problem: messages posted to the new lists (archive option > >is on -- I confirmed this tonight) do not get added to the archives. > > > >I'm thinking that I missed something when we did the move. > > > >The other change on the server (we went from a Redhat 5.2 box to FC3) > >was to move off send mail and onto postfix. I'm not sure if this > >would affect this problem, as I thought the mailman program took care > >of updating archive files. > > It may be a permissions problem on the archives somehow although if you > built the archive on the new system with "bin/arch --wipe ", > it should be OK. If you didn't use "--wipe", try it again with that > option. > > Also check the Mailman error log and see if the messages are in the > shunt queue (if so, run bin/unshunt to get them out after the problem > is resolved). > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > From samuel at haader.com Thu Jan 20 10:24:04 2005 From: samuel at haader.com (Samuel Gabel) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:24:04 +0200 (WAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages being archived but not sent In-Reply-To: <740B5490-6A8A-11D9-96DB-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> References: <2094134.1106126984399.SLOX.WebMail.wwwrun@sloth.ssde.net> <7318012.1106141196520.SLOX.WebMail.wwwrun@sloth.ssde.net> <740B5490-6A8A-11D9-96DB-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> Message-ID: <3969559.1106213044987.SLOX.WebMail.wwwrun@sloth.ssde.net> My postfix kind of did use the smtpd_restrictions , but in the /etc/postfix/access file no restrictions were given, so actually no. But i uncommented it in main.cf, but it doesn't make a difference. Somehow i am not convinced, that this is a postfix issue, because in the postfix logfiles no activity of mailman can be seen. If it would try to send messages but would get rejected, then postfix would probably say so in the logs. samuel From dana at sonic.net Thu Jan 20 03:12:06 2005 From: dana at sonic.net (Dana Evans) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:12:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listowners discussion list Message-ID: Hi - my ISP just forced us to move from Majordomo to Mailman, but they don't seem to know much about administering it. I am trying to figure out how the admin can subscribe/unsubscribe and approve moderated messages via email, rather than the website. I have read through all of the documentation and FAQs, but can't seem to find anything on the topic. I tried to go to the page on Listowners discussion list to subscribe and beg for help, but the link doesn't seem to be working (on http://list.org/lists.html - I get a page cannot be displayed error). Please, please can you help? Extreme TIA - dana From vlevine at wisc.edu Thu Jan 20 04:03:48 2005 From: vlevine at wisc.edu (Vic Levine) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:03:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about your mail list Message-ID: <0IAL009FXHU4UX@smtp6.wiscmail.wisc.edu> When a person receives an email that has been posted to the list, and they want to respond, is there a choice to respond to all the members of the list or just to the person who sent out the email? From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Jan 20 11:55:07 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:55:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listowners discussion list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 6:12 PM -0800 2005-01-19, Dana Evans wrote: > Hi - my ISP just forced us to move from Majordomo to Mailman, but they > don't seem to know much about administering it. I am trying to figure out > how the admin can subscribe/unsubscribe and approve moderated messages via > email, rather than the website. There's not much documentation on the e-mail interface to Mailman. What documentation there is, unfortunately, it oriented towards users (see ). Pretty much all the list manager documentation at is aimed at people who will be using the web interface. > I tried to go to the page on Listowners > discussion list to subscribe and beg for help, but the link doesn't seem > to be working (on http://list.org/lists.html - I get a page cannot be > displayed error). This issue is addressed in the FAQ. See . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Jan 20 11:57:06 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:57:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about your mail list In-Reply-To: <0IAL009FXHU4UX@smtp6.wiscmail.wisc.edu> References: <0IAL009FXHU4UX@smtp6.wiscmail.wisc.edu> Message-ID: At 9:03 PM -0600 2005-01-19, Vic Levine wrote: > When a person receives an email that has been posted to the list, and they > want to respond, is there a choice to respond to all the members of the list > or just to the person who sent out the email? That depends on the settings and capabilities of your mail program, and the settings of the list. If you are a list administrator, you should see . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From yd at media-c.de Thu Jan 20 14:30:20 2005 From: yd at media-c.de (Yassen Damyanov) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:30:20 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] good reading for multiple MM installations? Message-ID: <200501201530.20868.yd@media-c.de> Trying to find a good reading about multiple MM installations with no success. Anyone to point me to something helpful? Need this in the context of handling virtual domain mailing lists with separate list name spaces. Thanks in advance! Yassen From brian.ensor at deri.org Thu Jan 20 14:31:49 2005 From: brian.ensor at deri.org (brian.ensor) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:31:49 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] withlist -l -r fix_url fails to change link in archive Message-ID: <20050120133149.92137.qmail@mail.host.ie> Hello- I am in the process of moving lists from a server running mailman 2.1.2 to a server running version 2.1.5 on a different system and at a new url. I have gone through many FAQ's describing the steps and have been very successful. There is one part that I can not figure out and am looking for help. After I have move all the files and completed the 'check_perms -f', receiving no errors, I go to run the command 'withlist -l -r fix_url mylist'. After this completes, I am able to go into the web interface and login, search archives etc...all links appear to have been changed fine. When I go to the archives, it appears that all of the archive links were corrected to the new url except for one. The 'More info on this list...' link still points to the old url. This is the case for all old archives...the current archive has the correct url (i.e. 2005-January archive is fine, but 2004-December and earlier are not). I have checked the perms on the index.html file in each of the archives and they are correct. The only difference is that I see on the 2.1.2 server files from one created new on the 2.1.5 server is that the index.html file in the $mailmandir/archives/listname is a symbolic link to thread.html instead of just a file index.html, but I can access the file through this link just fine. I can manually change the link in index.html, but this is too time consuming for all the lists I have to move. Thanks for any help. Brian From syost at triad.rr.com Thu Jan 20 14:50:02 2005 From: syost at triad.rr.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:50:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delays - need help troubleshooting In-Reply-To: References: <0IAL009FXHU4UX@smtp6.wiscmail.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <200501200850020031.26FD7FBB@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> I have been seeing very long delays in the outgoing-runner for several months now and have list members that constantly complain, rightly so, on how long messages take to deliver. It doesn't matter which mailing list and the persons affected may differ depending on the message (ie Billy bob may complain one message and Sally Mae may complain the next and Billy Bob won't). I have done the following: 1 - upgraded servers 2 - tried more memory 3 - upgraded mailman 4 - upgraded sendmail, 5 - adding more outgoing runners Nothing helps. Here are some additional symptoms and clues: 1 - Outgoing-runner NEVER quits on its own when I issue a "mailman stop". I always have to issue "mailman stop" twice to get it to stop 2 - The delay occurs for local deliveries. That is users with accounts on the machine that is running mailman see the delay 3 - Logs are of no help (the logs just timestamp like mailman is running real slow but gives no errors) 4 - No other outgoing mail (ie majordomo, bulk_mail, etc are affected) 5 - The delay doesn't always occur, or the delay is livable. 6 - Sendmail seems happy when you look at its logs. Sendmail seems to deliver promptly to the local users or to mailman when it gets the messages. My Setup Linux RH 9.0, using sendmail 8.13.0 & mailman 2.1.5 with python 2.2.2 After my signature is a received trail from a delayed message I personally got and I am user local to the mailman server. Notice the 7 hour delay? Spencer Yost Sundance Consulting Received: from heavyiron.atis.net (heavyiron.atis.net [127.0.0.1]) by heavyiron.atis.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j0I6bri4012601; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:37:58 -0500 Received: from b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com (b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com [168.61.6.43]) by heavyiron.atis.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j0I0H0M9027859 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:17:01 -0500 X-MAPS-MX: 0 1696.49466.3296.1106007376 Received: from out006.verizon.net (out006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.106]) by b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j0I0GGDC071388 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:16:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from enduseradc1hxs ([4.60.122.220]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050118001613.CHHF7873.out006.verizon.net at enduseradc1hxs> for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:16:13 -0600 Message-ID: <007601c4fcf2$f1278240$0200a8c0 at enduseradc1hxs> From: "Dee Schuyler" From mail at jackpo.org Thu Jan 20 15:37:41 2005 From: mail at jackpo.org (Ming Jack Po) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:37:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-gid problems Message-ID: <41EFC235.8000308@jackpo.org> Hey All, I have a really weird issue. I am currently running gentoo and just setup mailman (from source). Every time I setup.. I can use the lists normally in the beginning... make list .. lists function and all.. However, the moment I port some of my old data (the goal of this new installation is to get data from old installation to new one). (move data from lists and archive directories to the new ones) The installation immediately fails and outputs Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "nobody." etc etc I am using postfix, gentoo, mailman.. Any help would be very much appreciated, Thanks, Jack From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Jan 20 15:33:26 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:33:26 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delays - need help troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <200501200850020031.26FD7FBB@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> References: <0IAL009FXHU4UX@smtp6.wiscmail.wisc.edu> <200501200850020031.26FD7FBB@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> Message-ID: At 8:50 AM -0500 2005-01-20, Spencer Yost wrote: > After my signature is a received trail from a delayed message I personally > got and I am user local to the mailman server. Notice the 7 hour delay? Take a look at the discussion at . This problem can affect Mailman just as easily as it does sendmail. Make sure that you don't allow these directories to build up to a large size, and take a look at cleaning them out periodically. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jdennis at redhat.com Thu Jan 20 16:07:41 2005 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:07:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on RHAS3 In-Reply-To: <06E2E60FB9C6EF409EFE472A8F4A82EBCDF03D@coso.staff.vuw.ac.nz> References: <06E2E60FB9C6EF409EFE472A8F4A82EBCDF03D@coso.staff.vuw.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1106233660.2353.2575.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 22:09, Steven Jones wrote: > OK, so has anybody successfully installed RH's mailman like this? yes :-) > I also want to use the sourceforg webmin module to create lists I'm sorry, but I'm not at all familar with webmin, however I can answer questions concerning RH mailman. > so does anybody have ideas where, > > 1) Errors might be logged? mailman errors are logged to /var/log/mailman/error I don't know where webmin errors are logged, but you should look at /var/log/messages for anything suspicious. > I have created the mailman list using newlist successfully (as far as I can tell) > and mailman is running as "service mailman status" shows a PID and > ps aux |grep mailman shows 9 processes, 8 of which are runners. Sure sounds to me like mailman is running fine. I assume aside from creating the mailman list and checking process status you've verified mailman you can send and receive mail to a test list and that your web server is serving mailman cgi correctly. I suspect your problems may lie with webmin, perhaps a webmin user list would be better able to answer your questions. -- John Dennis From mark at tdaweb.com Thu Jan 20 16:10:56 2005 From: mark at tdaweb.com (Mark Ramsey 04) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:10:56 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman personalized salutations? Message-ID: <009401c4ff02$3ffbf1b0$6401a8c0@VAIOOFFICE1> Can Mailman (v. 2.1.5) be used to "personalize" salutaions, using the real name that is associated with the email address in the email list file? e.g. Dear Mailman User, Dear Mark, Dear Wendy, etc. If so, please advise. Many thanks. Mark Mark S. Ramsey mark at tdaweb.com From Steven.Jones at vuw.ac.nz Thu Jan 20 20:38:37 2005 From: Steven.Jones at vuw.ac.nz (Steven Jones) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:38:37 +1300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on RHAS3 Message-ID: <06E2E60FB9C6EF409EFE472A8F4A82EB01280911@coso.staff.vuw.ac.nz> The logical point now might well be to remove RH's rpm and install mailman's rpm and see if it works. regards Steven -----Original Message----- From: John Dennis [mailto:jdennis at redhat.com] Sent: Friday, 21 January 2005 4:08 a.m. To: Steven Jones Cc: mailman-users Mailman Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman on RHAS3 On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 22:09, Steven Jones wrote: > OK, so has anybody successfully installed RH's mailman like this? yes :-) > I also want to use the sourceforg webmin module to create lists I'm sorry, but I'm not at all familar with webmin, however I can answer questions concerning RH mailman. > so does anybody have ideas where, > > 1) Errors might be logged? mailman errors are logged to /var/log/mailman/error I don't know where webmin errors are logged, but you should look at /var/log/messages for anything suspicious. > I have created the mailman list using newlist successfully (as far as I can tell) > and mailman is running as "service mailman status" shows a PID and > ps aux |grep mailman shows 9 processes, 8 of which are runners. Sure sounds to me like mailman is running fine. I assume aside from creating the mailman list and checking process status you've verified mailman you can send and receive mail to a test list and that your web server is serving mailman cgi correctly. I suspect your problems may lie with webmin, perhaps a webmin user list would be better able to answer your questions. -- John Dennis From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Jan 20 20:44:14 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:44:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman personalized salutations? In-Reply-To: <009401c4ff02$3ffbf1b0$6401a8c0@VAIOOFFICE1> References: <009401c4ff02$3ffbf1b0$6401a8c0@VAIOOFFICE1> Message-ID: At 9:10 AM -0600 2005-01-20, Mark Ramsey 04 wrote: > Can Mailman (v. 2.1.5) be used to "personalize" salutaions, using the real > name that is associated with the email address in the email list file? e.g. > Dear Mailman User, Dear Mark, Dear Wendy, etc. If you had searched the Mailman FAQ Wizard at , you should have come up with the entry at which addresses this question. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From Steven.Jones at vuw.ac.nz Thu Jan 20 20:47:35 2005 From: Steven.Jones at vuw.ac.nz (Steven Jones) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:47:35 +1300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on RHAS3 Message-ID: <06E2E60FB9C6EF409EFE472A8F4A82EBCDF03E@coso.staff.vuw.ac.nz> 8><---- > I have created the mailman list using newlist successfully (as far as I can tell) > and mailman is running as "service mailman status" shows a PID and > ps aux |grep mailman shows 9 processes, 8 of which are runners. Sure sounds to me like mailman is running fine. I assume aside from creating the mailman list and checking process status you've verified mailman you can send and receive mail to a test list and that your web server is serving mailman cgi correctly. I suspect your problems may lie with webmin, perhaps a webmin user list would be better able to answer your questions. -- John Dennis Thanks, but using the "genuine" mailman rpm and webmin module I get workable results. So all I have changed is to the RH mailman.rpm, so more logically, the problem lies with, 1) RH's rpm being different in some way 2) Ive missed something while configuring. 3) Ive missed installing some essential dependancy for webmin. Since webwin's module is extreamely simple ie a file pointing to the newlist, rmlist, aliases and newaliases I am tending to look at diffences in permissions, the user it runs as or something along these lines, ie something RH has customised. It may not be this, but I need to eliminate this in order to be confident its 2) or 3). :} Re: testing, I am trying to create a test list using webmin at present to test, hence these posts. regards Steven From etierra at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 21:14:44 2005 From: etierra at gmail.com (Tierra) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:14:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-gid problems In-Reply-To: <41EFC235.8000308@jackpo.org> References: <41EFC235.8000308@jackpo.org> Message-ID: Are you orginally running the scripts (during make list, etc) as mailman? Did you already set MAILGID during emerge mailman? If not, this may help... If you put the following line in /etc/portage/bashrc, and re-emerge mailman, this should fix your problem: MAILGID=mailman I'm not very experienced with the smaller details concerning your problem, but I hope that helps. On a side note, I'm running gentoo/mailman/qmail. Bryan Petty On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:37:41 -0500, Ming Jack Po wrote: > Hey All, > > I have a really weird issue. I am currently running gentoo and just > setup mailman (from source). > > Every time I setup.. I can use the lists normally in the beginning... > make list .. lists function and all.. > > However, the moment I port some of my old data (the goal of this new > installation is to get data from old installation to new one). > > (move data from lists and archive directories to the new ones) > > The installation immediately fails and outputs > > Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be > executed as group "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the > mail script as group "nobody." etc etc > > I am using postfix, gentoo, mailman.. > > Any help would be very much appreciated, > Thanks, > Jack From haack at nclack.k12.or.us Thu Jan 20 22:55:43 2005 From: haack at nclack.k12.or.us (Robert Haack) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:55:43 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating new list from web page Message-ID: <41F028DF.6010007@nclack.k12.or.us> I get the following error when I attempt to create a new list from Mailman Create page: *Error: /You are not authorized to create new mailing lists/* I checked out the FAQ archive and didn't see anything related to this. I can create a list from the command line just fine, just not from the MM web page. Can somebody tell me how to fix this problem? -- Robert Haack Programmer Analyst North Clackamas School District #12 haack at nclack.k12.or.us From anner at blast.com Thu Jan 20 23:02:11 2005 From: anner at blast.com (Anne Ramey) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:02:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] post not logged as 'posted' but appears in archives Message-ID: <41F02A63.1070600@blast.com> I have a couple of messages posted to a list (moderated list, sent weekly) that appear in the lists archives, but not in the post log for mailman. The weeks before that they appear like this: Jan 06 14:03:41 2005 (1967) post to tn_sale from mail at customerdomain.tld, size=16694, 3 failures Always with 3 failures. Then last week, the 13th there are no errors anywhere, but no posted log. Also, their number of out-of-office and bounces seem very low. They are concerned that it never finished sending. They sent another today--again, no posted message. I did not receive todays yet, but it was sent around 11 this morning...and there doesn't seem to be anything in the outgoing queue. The server is not acting like mailman is busy--I'm not seeing python tasks popping up frequently, like I do when it's sending usually. What else can I check? Has this happened to anyone else? -- Anne Ramey From post at rstahl.de Thu Jan 20 23:13:43 2005 From: post at rstahl.de (Ralph Stahl) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:13:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML conversion does not work Message-ID: <33165237.20050120231343@rstahl.de> I want MM to convert incoming HTML mails to plain text and to forward them as no-multipart messages. I use the option "convert to plain/text". But HTML messages come as plain text in 3 parts (header/body/footer) instead of 1. What can I do? I am using MM 2.1.5. Sorry for my English please :-). Ralph Germany From anner at blast.com Thu Jan 20 23:35:45 2005 From: anner at blast.com (Anne Ramey) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:35:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] post not logged as 'posted' but appears in archives In-Reply-To: <41F02A63.1070600@blast.com> References: <41F02A63.1070600@blast.com> Message-ID: <41F03241.5090306@blast.com> I finally found some errors, in the syslog. postfix/smtpd[10144]: warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Too many connections This was trying to resolve aliases, etc and running into too many connections. I can understand how that may interfere with bounce processing, but would it interfere with the sending of the list? How can I tell what's been sent and what hasn't ? Anne Ramey Anne Ramey wrote: > I have a couple of messages posted to a list (moderated list, sent > weekly) that appear in the lists archives, but not in the post log for > mailman. The weeks before that they appear like this: > > Jan 06 14:03:41 2005 (1967) post to tn_sale from > mail at customerdomain.tld, size=16694, 3 failures > > Always with 3 failures. Then last week, the 13th there are no errors > anywhere, but no posted log. Also, their number of out-of-office and > bounces seem very low. They are concerned that it never finished > sending. They sent another today--again, no posted message. I did not > receive todays yet, but it was sent around 11 this morning...and there > doesn't seem to be anything in the outgoing queue. The server is not > acting like mailman is busy--I'm not seeing python tasks popping up > frequently, like I do when it's sending usually. What else can I check? > Has this happened to anyone else? > From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Jan 20 23:46:02 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:46:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML conversion does not work In-Reply-To: <33165237.20050120231343@rstahl.de> References: <33165237.20050120231343@rstahl.de> Message-ID: At 11:13 PM +0100 2005-01-20, Ralph Stahl wrote: > I want MM to convert incoming HTML mails to plain text and to forward > them as no-multipart messages. I use the option "convert to > plain/text". But HTML messages come as plain text in 3 parts > (header/body/footer) instead of 1. What can I do? I am using MM 2.1.5. Mailman can be configured to strip multipart MIME messages (allowing through just the first part), but due to content-transfer-encoding and charset differences, if you have any footers defined for the list, it may not be possible to have them appended in plain text form onto a message that was converted from HTML. This is related to the issue discussed in . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe Thu Jan 20 23:57:26 2005 From: jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Zapata?=) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:57:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] It happened again: qrunners stopped on their own. Message-ID: <001201c4ff43$6a519640$fd01a8c0@aciprensa.com> ...but I found something interesting in the logs: Jan 19 13:35:25 2005 (1660) BounceRunner qrunner started. Jan 19 13:35:25 2005 (1666) RetryRunner qrunner started. Jan 19 13:35:25 2005 (1659) ArchRunner qrunner started. Jan 19 13:35:25 2005 (1662) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Jan 19 13:35:25 2005 (1661) CommandRunner qrunner started. Jan 19 13:35:25 2005 (1665) VirginRunner qrunner started. Jan 19 13:35:25 2005 (1663) NewsRunner qrunner started. Jan 19 13:35:25 2005 (1664) OutgoingRunner qrunner started. Jan 20 13:35:25 2005 (1664) OutgoingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 20 13:35:25 2005 (1662) IncomingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 20 13:35:25 2005 (1664) OutgoingRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 20 13:35:25 2005 (1662) IncomingRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 20 13:35:25 2005 (1661) CommandRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 20 13:35:25 2005 (1661) CommandRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 20 13:35:25 2005 (1665) VirginRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 20 13:35:25 2005 (1665) VirginRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 20 13:35:25 2005 (1660) BounceRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 20 13:35:25 2005 (1666) RetryRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 20 13:35:25 2005 (1663) NewsRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 20 13:35:25 2005 (1659) ArchRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 20 13:35:26 2005 (1666) RetryRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 20 13:35:26 2005 (1663) NewsRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 20 13:35:26 2005 (1659) ArchRunner qrunner exi#ting. The qrunners stopped exactly after one day. I checked past logs and sure enough: Jan 14 10:53:19 2005 (27572) BounceRunner qrunner started. Jan 14 10:53:19 2005 (27571) ArchRunner qrunner started. Jan 14 10:53:19 2005 (27574) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Jan 14 10:53:19 2005 (27573) CommandRunner qrunner started. Jan 14 10:53:19 2005 (27577) VirginRunner qrunner started. Jan 14 10:53:19 2005 (27578) RetryRunner qrunner started. Jan 14 10:53:19 2005 (27575) NewsRunner qrunner started. Jan 14 10:53:19 2005 (27576) OutgoingRunner qrunner started. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27571) ArchRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27572) BounceRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27571) ArchRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27573) CommandRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27573) CommandRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27574) IncomingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27574) IncomingRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27575) NewsRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27575) NewsRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27576) OutgoingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27576) OutgoingRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27577) VirginRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27577) VirginRunner qrunner exiting. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27578) RetryRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jan 15 10:53:18 2005 (27578) RetryRunner qrunner exiting. Stopped exactly after one day. I didn't catch it before. What could be happening? TIA Jos? Z. From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com Fri Jan 21 02:43:09 2005 From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:43:09 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] It happened again: qrunners stopped on their own. In-Reply-To: <001201c4ff43$6a519640$fd01a8c0@aciprensa.com> Message-ID: On 1/20/05 4:57 PM, Jos? Zapata at jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe wrote: > Stopped exactly after one day. I didn't catch it before. What could be > happening? Some sort of system daemon set up to not let any program (other than operating system stuff obviously) run more than 24 hours? -- Larry Stone larry at stonejongleux.com http://www.stonejongleux.com/ From jwt at onjapan.net Fri Jan 21 03:08:51 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:08:51 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] good reading for multiple MM installations? In-Reply-To: <200501201530.20868.yd@media-c.de> References: <200501201530.20868.yd@media-c.de> Message-ID: <65194088-6B51-11D9-9FC0-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Jan 20, 2005, at 22:30, Yassen Damyanov wrote: > Trying to find a good reading about multiple MM installations > with no success. Anyone to point me to something helpful? When configuring/building Mailman, use the --prefix switch to put each in its own directory. Each Apache configuration refers to a different installation directory for its ScriptAlias entries. It is straightforward to extend the scheme described in the Exim HowTo to check multiple locations for list files, or you could configure your MTA to check multiple alias files. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From jwt at onjapan.net Fri Jan 21 03:16:02 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:16:02 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] withlist -l -r fix_url fails to change link in archive In-Reply-To: <20050120133149.92137.qmail@mail.host.ie> References: <20050120133149.92137.qmail@mail.host.ie> Message-ID: <65DE20AA-6B52-11D9-9FC0-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> On Jan 20, 2005, at 22:31, brian.ensor wrote: > After I have move all the files and completed the 'check_perms -f', > receiving no errors, I go to run the command 'withlist -l -r fix_url > mylist'. After this completes, I am able to go into the web interface > and login, search archives etc...all links appear to have been changed > fine. When I go to the archives, it appears that all of the archive > links were corrected to the new url except for one. The 'More info on > this list...' link still points to the old url. This is the case for > all old archives...the current archive has the correct url (i.e. > 2005-January archive is fine, but 2004-December and earlier are not). I'm actually surprised the links to the prior postings themselves appear to be correct rather than only the "More info..." link being wrong. The Pipermail indexes are normally static, and so I would have expected you to have to do 'bin/arch --wipe' to rebuild them with the new URL information. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From msapiro at value.net Fri Jan 21 05:12:30 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:12:30 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating new list from web page In-Reply-To: <41F028DF.6010007@nclack.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Robert Haack wrote: >I get the following error when I attempt to create a new list from >Mailman Create page: > > > *Error: /You are not authorized to create new mailing lists/* > > I checked out the FAQ archive and didn't see anything related to this. >I can create a list from the command line just fine, just not from the >MM web page. Can somebody tell me how to fix this problem? At the bottom of the form in the box "List creator's (authentication) password:" you must put either the site password or the special list creators password as established with bin/mmsitepass. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe Fri Jan 21 06:56:56 2005 From: jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Zapata?=) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:56:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] It happened again: qrunners stopped on their own. References: <200501202308.j0KN8Se13573@apollo.host-ops.com> Message-ID: <001201c4ff7e$07903530$0201a8c0@adviento5n9v7a> You know... that could be it. In fact, it's very likely. Do you know by chance of any ways to deactivate and/or tweak it? Keep in mind our dedicated server is "ours" in every sense of the word - we don't have an ISP. Thanks! Jos? Z. ----- Original Message ----- From: "scott" To: "'Jos? Zapata'" Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:08 PM Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] It happened again: qrunners stopped on their own. I had a similar problem.... After a lot of head scratching, and watching the machine run, and scanning directory trees, and eventually some reverse engineering of encrypted perl scripts (a story in itself), I found out that my outsourced dedicated server had a monitoring agent running on it that was killing off jobs that were running longer than 24 hours that were not running as a specific group of users (and mailman was not one of them). Perhaps you have something similar happening? From nicholas at fiocruz.br Fri Jan 21 15:15:10 2005 From: nicholas at fiocruz.br (Nicholas Anderson) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:15:10 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't see old lists on admin nor listinfo page .... Message-ID: <41F10E6E.2060205@fiocruz.br> Hi all, i have an installation of MM version 2.1 in an FreeBSD server. I'm changing its OS to Slackware. I downloaded de 2.1.5 version of mailman an installed it from the beggining .... (./configure --with-my-options , make , make install ) It's working fine when i create newlists and add new users and so on .... My problem is: 1) Is there any way to import those lists that i have on the FreeBSD machine ??? 2) i copied archive dirs and lists dirs to my new installation directory, and it seems to work fine, but when i go to the admin or listinfo page i cant see any of them ... they are all set as advertised but i cant see them .... when i create new lists, they (those new lists) appear ... If i use the full path to the old lists in the browser ( like http://localhost/mailman/admin/list-name ) it works, but how will i know list-name as i have more than 100 lists?? :-) If i had any way to import my old lists, my problem would be resolved ... I looked for something like this in the manual but i didnt find anything. ... Any idea ?? TIA Nick From svaught at highresolutions.com Fri Jan 21 16:28:02 2005 From: svaught at highresolutions.com (Steve Vaught) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:28:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk Mailing via Mailman Message-ID: <09FDEABF-6BC1-11D9-8873-0030655493BE@highresolutions.com> I'm trying to configure mailman to send messages to subscribers, allow them to review archived messages, and unsubscribe if need be. But i don't what my subscribers to post any messages. Is this possible? -- Steve From jdennis at redhat.com Fri Jan 21 17:43:55 2005 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:43:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] It happened again: qrunners stopped on their own. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200501211644.j0LGi3p7024036@mail.boston.redhat.com> > Stopped exactly after one day. I didn't catch it before. > What could be happening? By any chance did they stop at the same time one of the mailman cron jobs ran? From msapiro at value.net Fri Jan 21 17:59:05 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:59:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't see old lists on admin nor listinfo page .... In-Reply-To: <41F10E6E.2060205@fiocruz.br> Message-ID: Nicholas Anderson wrote: > >2) i copied archive dirs and lists dirs to my new installation >directory, and it seems to work fine, but when i go to the admin or >listinfo page i cant see any of them ... >they are all set as advertised but i cant see them .... >when i create new lists, they (those new lists) appear ... >If i use the full path to the old lists in the browser ( like >http://localhost/mailman/admin/list-name ) it works, but how will i >know list-name as i have more than 100 lists?? :-) This is covered somewhat in the FAQ at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp, in particular, the part about existing vs. new lists and fix_url.py. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Fri Jan 21 18:01:17 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:01:17 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk Mailing via Mailman In-Reply-To: <09FDEABF-6BC1-11D9-8873-0030655493BE@highresolutions.com> Message-ID: Steve Vaught wrote: >I'm trying to configure mailman to send messages to subscribers, allow >them to review archived messages, and unsubscribe if need be. But i >don't what my subscribers to post any messages. Is this possible? Yes. See >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py article 3.11 -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe Fri Jan 21 18:09:57 2005 From: jose.zapata at infonegocio.net.pe (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Zapata?=) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:09:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] It happened again: qrunners stopped on their own. References: <200501211644.j0LGi3p7024036@mail.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <00c301c4ffdc$0f411cf0$fd01a8c0@aciprensa.com> No, I don't think so... the qrunners stopped exactly 1 day after they were started. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Dennis To: 'Larry Stone' ; 'Mailman' Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:43 AM Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] It happened again: qrunners stopped on their own. > Stopped exactly after one day. I didn't catch it before. > What could be happening? By any chance did they stop at the same time one of the mailman cron jobs ran? ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From anner at blast.com Fri Jan 21 20:06:20 2005 From: anner at blast.com (Anne Ramey) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:06:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] post not logged as 'posted' but appears in archives In-Reply-To: <41F03241.5090306@blast.com> References: <41F02A63.1070600@blast.com> <41F03241.5090306@blast.com> Message-ID: <41F152AC.10207@blast.com> (1) what do the failures mean on a posting log like this: Jan 21 13:58:38 2005 (1967) post to nc_museum from evieweditor at clientaddress.com , size=20128, 3 failures (2) Is there any way to tell what part of a mailing went and what part didn't if the post occurs in archives, but never is "posted" --ie never finishes sending...??? (3) does anyone know why incming lookups for aliases might affect outgoing mail? Anne Anne Ramey wrote: > I finally found some errors, in the syslog. > postfix/smtpd[10144]: warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Too > many connections > > This was trying to resolve aliases, etc and running into too many > connections. I can understand how that may interfere with bounce > processing, but would it interfere with the sending of the list? How > can I tell what's been sent and what hasn't ? > > Anne Ramey > > > Anne Ramey wrote: > >> I have a couple of messages posted to a list (moderated list, sent >> weekly) that appear in the lists archives, but not in the post log for >> mailman. The weeks before that they appear like this: >> >> Jan 06 14:03:41 2005 (1967) post to tn_sale from >> mail at customerdomain.tld, size=16694, 3 failures >> >> Always with 3 failures. Then last week, the 13th there are no errors >> anywhere, but no posted log. Also, their number of out-of-office and >> bounces seem very low. They are concerned that it never finished >> sending. They sent another today--again, no posted message. I did >> not receive todays yet, but it was sent around 11 this morning...and >> there doesn't seem to be anything in the outgoing queue. The server >> is not acting like mailman is busy--I'm not seeing python tasks >> popping up frequently, like I do when it's sending usually. What else >> can I check? Has this happened to anyone else? >> > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From msapiro at value.net Fri Jan 21 21:08:53 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:08:53 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] post not logged as 'posted' but appearsin archives In-Reply-To: <41F152AC.10207@blast.com> Message-ID: Anne Ramey wrote: >(1) what do the failures mean on a posting log like this: > >Jan 21 13:58:38 2005 (1967) post to nc_museum from >evieweditor at clientaddress.com , size=20128, 3 failures It is a count of the number of addresses (recipients) that were refused by the SMTP server. See the definition of SMTP_LOG_REFUSED in Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py, the code in SMTPDirect.py and the Python smtplib module documentation at http://www.python.org/doc/2.1.3/lib/module-smtplib.html > >(2) Is there any way to tell what part of a mailing went and what part >didn't if the post occurs in archives, but never is "posted" --ie never >finishes sending...??? The above message is instead of the successful post message. It means in this case that the whole mailing went but 3 recipients were refused. If you haven't changed SMTP_LOG_EACH_FAILURE in mm_cfg.py, the 3 failures should be logged in Mailman's smtp-failure log. If there is no entry at all in the post log, I don't know what's going on. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From owner at writestop.com Fri Jan 21 15:48:49 2005 From: owner at writestop.com (Diana Kirk) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:48:49 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RSS feeds from mailing lists Message-ID: <200501211548.52247.owner@writestop.com> I was wondering today about configuring an RSS feed from the mailing list archives. Is that something anyone is doing? Is that doable at all? Am I on the entirely wrong track to provide RSS feeds of the various lists' mail? Thanks for any input on this, Diana -- Registered Linux User #327485 WordStar Users Group Community: http://wordstar2.com/WordStar_Users Mailing Lists: http://wordstar2.com/mailman/listinfo WordStar & Linux: http://wordstar2.com From david at midrange.com Sat Jan 22 01:51:19 2005 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:51:19 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: RSS feeds from mailing lists In-Reply-To: <200501211548.52247.owner@writestop.com> References: <200501211548.52247.owner@writestop.com> Message-ID: Diana Kirk wrote: > I was wondering today about configuring an RSS feed from the mailing > list archives. Is that something anyone is doing? Is that doable at > all? Am I on the entirely wrong track to provide RSS feeds of the > various lists' mail? I've got MHonArc generating RSS feeds for my mailing lists. It's based on the config file that www.mail-archive.com uses. Contact me privately and I'll send you the file. david From HinklC at dhss.mo.gov Thu Jan 20 23:27:19 2005 From: HinklC at dhss.mo.gov (C. Jon Hinkle) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:27:19 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question Message-ID: I have been "selected" to set up a Mailman system to communicate with roughly 140 users. I have exactly zero experience with this kind of endevor, although I am not totally techno-challenged. I need to set about 30 of the users to be able to post and reply at will. The rest should be able to post and reply, but with some limits. For instance, if someone posts something useful, we don't want 130 postings back to the list saying "Wow! That's cool!" Given the user-level of many of the 110 with limited rights, such a scenario is well within the realm of possiblity. These are the same people who reply to a Department-wide announcement by hitting the "Reply All" button. In any event, I can see from the List Admin manual that I can set up moderators and they would have full rights and set the rest as users and make their replies be moderated, but having 30 moderators seems unwieldy. For instance, who would actually moderate the postings from the 110? If I set first_strip_reply_to to YES and then set reply_goes_to_List to POSTER, the reply would go to the original poster, but not to the entire list? Is that different than setting first_strip_reply_to to NO and having the original reply-to be in force? In either instance, how do I account for worthwhile replies that would be beneficial for the entire list to see? Am I taking the wrong tack here? Is this better done with something like default_member_moderation? I could set the flag to off for the 30 and on for the rest and then set the action to Hold. Then, if the posting/reply was worth seeing on the list, it could be approved by a single moderator, and if not then it gets rejected and the poster gets a notice. If this seems disjointed, it is because I'm making it up as I go along. Any guidance you can offer is appreciated. TIA, CJon CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT This electronic communication is from the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services and is confidential, privileged and intended only for the use of the recipient named above. If you are not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering this information to the intended recipient, unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately at the following email address hinklc at dhss.mo.gov or by calling (816) 632-7276. Thank you. C. Jon Hinkle, Senior Epidemiology Specialist Division of Environmental Health and Communicable Disease Prevention Mo. Department of Health and Senior Svcs. 207 E. McElwain Cameron, Missouri 64429-1395 Phone: (816) 632-7276 Fax: (816) 632-1636 From janieziegler at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 22 02:09:07 2005 From: janieziegler at sbcglobal.net (Janie Ziegler) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:09:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list set up Message-ID: <002801c5001e$fa1842c0$0200a8c0@janie> I am suppose to set up a list for stlmotc (Greater St. Louis Mothers of Twins Club). I received the directions from the previous webmaster for our club. I am new at this, but when I tried to get into the list it said we were non existent. I cannot find the link to "Membership Management" so that I can set this up. Can you help me? Janie Ziegler Webmaster for STLMOTC From sud at neo.tamu.edu Fri Jan 21 21:04:55 2005 From: sud at neo.tamu.edu (Ramasamy, Sudhakar) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:04:55 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailiman -- add_members invite option Message-ID: I was wondering if the add_members command in mailman has a command-line invite option or if anyone might have a hack for it. Thanks in advance -sud From wlkerber at epix.net Fri Jan 21 20:29:49 2005 From: wlkerber at epix.net (William Kerber) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:29:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases Message-ID: I have set up an aliases on Mac OS X and now mailman isn't working can somebody provide me with help? wlkerber at epix.net From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sat Jan 22 03:26:22 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:26:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 4:27 PM -0600 2005-01-20, C. Jon Hinkle wrote: > In either instance, how do I account for worthwhile replies that would > be beneficial for the entire list to see? Generally speaking, munging the Reply-To: header is considered to be a bad idea -- See . That said, for certain types of lists, it may make sense to do this sort of thing. Lists where that is more appropriate tend to be ones that are run internally to an organization, and where you can make an across-the-board decision like this and do so with the approval of management. > Am I taking the wrong tack here? Is this better done with something > like default_member_moderation? I could set the flag to off for the 30 > and on for the rest and then set the action to Hold. Then, if the > posting/reply was worth seeing on the list, it could be approved by a > single moderator, and if not then it gets rejected and the poster gets a > notice. That's the path I would be inclined to take. You can choose which people get their moderation bit turned off, so that they can post directly. Everyone else gets moderated, and you have a small team of people who do the work of eliminating the wheat from the chaff. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sat Jan 22 03:28:46 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:28:46 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:29 PM -0500 2005-01-21, William Kerber wrote: > I have set up an aliases on Mac OS X and now mailman isn't working > can somebody provide me with help? You haven't given us a whole lot of detail here. Please take a look at , , and since you're using MacOS X, you need to also take a look at . Don't get me wrong -- I love MacOS X, and use it myself on a daily basis. But I don't try to use Mailman with MacOS X, and if I did, I'd make sure to build my own version from source. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sat Jan 22 03:30:39 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:30:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list set up In-Reply-To: <002801c5001e$fa1842c0$0200a8c0@janie> References: <002801c5001e$fa1842c0$0200a8c0@janie> Message-ID: At 7:09 PM -0600 2005-01-21, Janie Ziegler wrote: > I received the directions from the previous webmaster for our club. > I am new at this, but when I tried to get into the list it said we were > non existent. > I cannot find the link to "Membership Management" so that I can set this up. You're not giving us a whole lot of detail here. Can you take a look at and and come back with more information regarding the precise nature of the problem? -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From caitlin at marmoset.com Sat Jan 22 03:31:10 2005 From: caitlin at marmoset.com (Caitlin Burke) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:31:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get lists of members subscribed to configured topics? Message-ID: I'm having trouble figuring out how much information I can get about topic selections. Can I get a count of all the members of a list that have selected a particular topic, set in the Topics page? I am using version 2.1.5, provided by my web/mail host (I did not install it myself). Thanks! Caitlin Burke www.marmoset.com From lists05 at equinephotoart.com Sat Jan 22 03:57:10 2005 From: lists05 at equinephotoart.com (JC Dill) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:57:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F1C106.2030809@equinephotoart.com> C. Jon Hinkle wrote: >I have been "selected" to set up a Mailman system to communicate with >roughly 140 users. I have exactly zero experience with this kind of >endevor, although I am not totally techno-challenged. > >I need to set about 30 of the users to be able to post and reply at >will. The rest should be able to post and reply, but with some limits. >For instance, if someone posts something useful, we don't want 130 >postings back to the list saying "Wow! That's cool!" Given the >user-level of many of the 110 with limited rights, such a scenario is >well within the realm of possiblity. These are the same people who >reply to a Department-wide announcement by hitting the "Reply All" >button. > >In any event, I can see from the List Admin manual that I can set up >moderators and they would have full rights and set the rest as users and >make their replies be moderated, but having 30 moderators seems >unwieldy. For instance, who would actually moderate the postings from >the 110? > > I would set the list up like this: General options: strip reply-to: yes reply goes to: poster list moderator email addresses: add 2 or 3 moderators here Privacy options: Sender filters: By default, should new list member postings be moderated?: yes List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted.: Add any additional "always accept" addresses (if any of your 30 "full rights" members may be occasionally sending from alternate addresses) here. When you add your 110 members, set them all to moderated except for your 30 members who should have "full rights", they will be set to unmoderated status. You could do this in 2 batches, set the list so that new members are not moderated and add your 30 "full rights" members, then set your list so that new members are moderated and add the remaining members. Then the new members going forward will also be set to moderated by default, and you can unmoderate them as needed. >If I set first_strip_reply_to to YES and then set reply_goes_to_List to >POSTER, the reply would go to the original poster, but not to the entire >list? Is that different than setting first_strip_reply_to to NO and >having the original reply-to be in force? > > I can set my reply-to with the list address (as I have in this email). When mailman doesn't strip the reply-to (and it doesn't on this list) replies go back to the list instead of to the poster. Of course, your typical "Wow! That's cool!" user isn't going to know how to do that. >In either instance, how do I account for worthwhile replies that would >be beneficial for the entire list to see? > > You need several moderators who can approve the held messages in a timely manner. I help moderate several lists (mailman-users is one of them :-) and have found that you need three or more people who check email several times a day to keep the moderated posts from piling up and to ensure that they get approved and posted (or rejected) in a timely manner. Also remember that people get busy, take vacations, etc. so any list needs *at least* two moderators if you want to ensure that held messages are processed promptly. >Am I taking the wrong tack here? Is this better done with something >like default_member_moderation? I could set the flag to off for the 30 >and on for the rest and then set the action to Hold. > Bingo. > Then, if the >posting/reply was worth seeing on the list, it could be approved by a >single moderator, and if not then it gets rejected and the poster gets a >notice. > > Also consider if your list will need more than one single moderator, and remember to set new members to moderated status by default - it's *much* better to change them to unmoderated after you see that they have clue than to have to set them to moderated after they have posted one or more "Hey, that's cool!" posts back to the whole list. jc From msapiro at value.net Sat Jan 22 03:58:53 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:58:53 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: C. Jon Hinkle wrote: > >In any event, I can see from the List Admin manual that I can set up >moderators and they would have full rights and set the rest as users and >make their replies be moderated, but having 30 moderators seems >unwieldy. For instance, who would actually moderate the postings from >the 110? This is a bit confusing and perhaps not well documented. The term 'moderator' is not really well defined. Putting a persons e-mail address in the list's 'moderator' field only means that that person is notified when posts are waiting moderator approval. Generally, only a few people would be listed as owner or moderator. What enables a person to actually approve posts is knowledge of the list's moderator password. This is what actually enables a moderator to log in and perform moderator actions. Again, designating an address as a 'mdoerator' doesn't by itself confer any rights. What you want is the 30 to be unmoderated and the 110 to be moderated. Then any of the 30 can post without moderator approval. Posts from the 110 have to be approved by someone who knows the list admin or the list moderator password. The difference is the moderator password only allows moderator actions. The admin password allows that plus admin actions like mass subscribing and changing list settings. >If I set first_strip_reply_to to YES and then set reply_goes_to_List to >POSTER, the reply would go to the original poster, but not to the entire >list? Is that different than setting first_strip_reply_to to NO and >having the original reply-to be in force? Yes it's different and setting first_strip_reply_to to NO is better. This way if the poster has set a Reply-To: which is different from her From:, it won't be stripped and lost. In general, the only time you might want first_strip_reply_to to be Yes is when you are setting reply_goes_to_list to List. >In either instance, how do I account for worthwhile replies that would >be beneficial for the entire list to see? The person replying decides by choosing 'reply' to reply to the poster or 'reply all' or 'group reply' to reply to the poster and to the list. >Am I taking the wrong tack here? Is this better done with something >like default_member_moderation? I could set the flag to off for the 30 >and on for the rest and then set the action to Hold. Then, if the >posting/reply was worth seeing on the list, it could be approved by a >single moderator, and if not then it gets rejected and the poster gets a >notice. default_member_moderation only determines whether new subscribers have their moderation bit on to begin with or not. It has no effect on existing subscribers. It is a list setting, not a per member setting. The setting you want is the moderation bit per user as I indicated above. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sat Jan 22 04:05:15 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 04:05:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question In-Reply-To: <41F1C106.2030809@equinephotoart.com> References: <41F1C106.2030809@equinephotoart.com> Message-ID: At 6:57 PM -0800 2005-01-21, JC Dill wrote: > Also consider if your list will need more than one single moderator, > and remember to set new members to moderated status by default - it's > *much* better to change them to unmoderated after you see that they > have clue than to have to set them to moderated after they have posted > one or more "Hey, that's cool!" posts back to the whole list. One other note -- watch your maximum message size that you allow to be posted to the list, as well as the attachments and MIME bodypart types. If you have a list of 250 company employees, and some moron in marketing sends a 50MB PowerPoint presentation to the all at lists.company.com mailing list, that works out to about 12GB of disk storage that you have to suddenly find to store all 250 copies of that 50MB attachment, and a hell of a lot of disk I/O to write all that out at once. I worked at a local ISP that had a mail server for 250,000 customers that was completely nuked in this way by one of our own marketing dweebs, and the machine only had something like 8GB of disk space free. The entire mail server was down for hours as I tried to clean things up and to purge all the bogus copies of that presentation. You can imagine how upset all the 250,000 customers were that the mail server was down. Trust me, you don't want to have this happen to you. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sat Jan 22 17:51:00 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:51:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:09 AM -0600 2005-01-22, C. Jon Hinkle wrote: > Anyway, I think I had come to about the same configuration that you all > suggested, and it is nice to have confirmation that I'm thinking down > the right track. I hadn't thought about Brad's point about 130 large > attachments, but it is a good one. One of the things we were thinking > about was a weekly distribution of a dozen 100K spreadsheets. I guess > that's out. 100KB attachments are not likely to be too much of a problem. The mail systems I've administered recently have had an average message size of 60-120KB, so the kind of attachment you're talking about would fall completely within that range, and should be sustainable for multiple users for long periods of time. Of course, those were the mail systems I was administering, and this may or may not be true for your mail system. You need to look at what your mail system is able to handle, and decide what kind of load would be excessive. This needs to be done in close concert with your mail system administrators. But certainly, this is something that you need to keep an eye on. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From don at andesengineering.com Sat Jan 22 20:02:11 2005 From: don at andesengineering.com (Don Burns) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:02:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-script "low level failure" Message-ID: I've carefully scoured the archives and faqs to get an answer to my problem, and while I found a few similar postings, I did not find a solution that matched my problem. The problem: http://www.openscenegraph.net/listinfo Produces: ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Content-type: text/html We're sorry, we hit a bug! Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a useful traceback for you. Please report this to the Mailman administrator at this site. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// I have o checked my installation and configuration of mailman and all seems ok. o run check_perms and fixed some minor problems, also fine. o locks are legitimate (qrunner is the only one and it is running) o plenty of disk space and no disk problems o postfix and apache are working fine. I wrote a small test script and tried it in the mailman/cgi-bin and it worked fine. I've also restarted postfix, apache, mailman. The problem persists. The problem started occuring suddenly this morning after having run for several months with no issues. The last entry in the error log is from Jan 18 (4 days ago). For reference, the server is running Suse 9.1, kernel 2.6.5-7.111.5-smp. Mailman is version 2.1.4 (as reported in the error message). I'm stuck! Please help. -don From hinklc at dhss.mo.gov Sat Jan 22 15:09:40 2005 From: hinklc at dhss.mo.gov (C. Jon Hinkle) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:09:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question Message-ID: Thanks, everybody, for your responses. I put it up yesterday with the first dozen of the 30 added in the first wave. I gave some of them full rights and left the others moderated and played with it all afternoon. I hope my boss, who gave me the assignment thinks it was a productive Friday afternoon. ;^) Anyway, I think I had come to about the same configuration that you all suggested, and it is nice to have confirmation that I'm thinking down the right track. I hadn't thought about Brad's point about 130 large attachments, but it is a good one. One of the things we were thinking about was a weekly distribution of a dozen 100K spreadsheets. I guess that's out. Looks like I'll be spending some time lurking in this forum. I'm not shy about asking for help, so you'll probably hear from me again. Thanks for your help. CJon Oh! sorry about the big sig. Our IT dept does that for anything that goes outside the system. I can't turn it off. CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT This electronic communication is from the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services and is confidential, privileged and intended only for the use of the recipient named above. If you are not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering this information to the intended recipient, unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately at the following email address hinklc at dhss.mo.gov or by calling (816) 632-7276. Thank you. C. Jon Hinkle, Senior Epidemiology Specialist Division of Environmental Health and Communicable Disease Prevention Mo. Department of Health and Senior Svcs. 207 E. McElwain Cameron, Missouri 64429-1395 Phone: (816) 632-7276 Fax: (816) 632-1636 >>> Brad Knowles 01/21/05 8:26 PM >>> At 4:27 PM -0600 2005-01-20, C. Jon Hinkle wrote: > In either instance, how do I account for worthwhile replies that would > be beneficial for the entire list to see? Generally speaking, munging the Reply-To: header is considered to be a bad idea -- See . That said, for certain types of lists, it may make sense to do this sort of thing. Lists where that is more appropriate tend to be ones that are run internally to an organization, and where you can make an across-the-board decision like this and do so with the approval of management. > Am I taking the wrong tack here? Is this better done with something > like default_member_moderation? I could set the flag to off for the 30 > and on for the rest and then set the action to Hold. Then, if the > posting/reply was worth seeing on the list, it could be approved by a > single moderator, and if not then it gets rejected and the poster gets a > notice. That's the path I would be inclined to take. You can choose which people get their moderation bit turned off, so that they can post directly. Everyone else gets moderated, and you have a small team of people who do the work of eliminating the wheat from the chaff. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From msapiro at value.net Sat Jan 22 20:14:58 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:14:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailiman -- add_members invite option In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ramasamy, Sudhakar wrote: > >I was wondering if the add_members command in mailman has a command-line >invite option or if anyone might have a hack for it. It doesn't have an invite option. It looks like it would be fairly easy to do. Look at the code that's conditional on subscribe_or_invite in the try: around line 1328 in Mailman/Cgi/admin.py and compare it to the code in the try: around line 134 in bin/add_members. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sat Jan 22 20:54:34 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:54:34 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get lists of members subscribed to configuredtopics? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Caitlin Burke wrote: >I'm having trouble figuring out how much information I can get about >topic selections. Can I get a count of all the members of a list that >have selected a particular topic, set in the Topics page? I am using >version 2.1.5, provided by my web/mail host (I did not install it >myself). If you have sufficient access to run the command line tools, you could create a withlist script to do this. Otherwise, the only other way I'm aware of is to script access to the web admin interface and collect the information that way. See http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#throughtheweb for some examples of this kind of scripting. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sat Jan 22 21:41:15 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:41:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-script "low level failure" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Don Burns wrote: > >The problem: > > http://www.openscenegraph.net/listinfo > >Produces: >///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 > >We're sorry, we hit a bug! > >If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of >this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what >happened. Thanks! > >Traceback: > >Content-type: text/html > >We're sorry, we hit a bug! > >Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a >useful traceback for you. Please report this to the Mailman administrator >at this site. >///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > >I have > o checked my installation and configuration of mailman and all seems >ok. > o run check_perms and fixed some minor problems, also fine. > o locks are legitimate (qrunner is the only one and it is running) > o plenty of disk space and no disk problems > o postfix and apache are working fine. > >I wrote a small test script and tried it in the mailman/cgi-bin and it >worked fine. I've also restarted postfix, apache, mailman. The problem >persists. > >The problem started occuring suddenly this morning after having run for >several months with no issues. The last entry in the error log is from >Jan 18 (4 days ago). > >For reference, the server is running Suse 9.1, kernel 2.6.5-7.111.5-smp. >Mailman is version 2.1.4 (as reported in the error message). > >I'm stuck! Please help. Does "bin/check_db --all" report any errors? Does "bin/list_lists" work? If not, try adding " print n" at the top of the " for n in names:" loop to see which list has the problem. If "bin/list_lists" works, you could try adding "syslog('error', )" in Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py to try to pinpoint where it goes wrong. Also, is there anything in lists/ that doesn't belong? I.e. a directory that isn't a list or a top level file? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From don at andesengineering.com Sat Jan 22 22:30:50 2005 From: don at andesengineering.com (Don Burns) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:30:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-script "low level failure" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Mark, Thanks for the quick reply. I've tried your suggestions and came up empty. db_check --all did not report errors, list_lists output was clean and everything expected, A couple of debug lines in listinfo.py never showed up (I assumed they would print in logs/error). There are no foreign files or directories in lists. I do have a new piece to the puzzle. The apache2 log file reports this when accessing a cgi-script: [Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ [Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.4 -----] [Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] [----- Traceback ------] [Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] Traceback (most recent call last): [Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 241, in ? [Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] run_main() [Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 69, in run_main [Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] import xml.sax.saxutils [Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] ImportError: No module named xml.sax.saxutils [Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] [Mailman: low level unrecoverable exception] Upon investigation, it looks as if the error at line 69 (import of xml.sax.saxutils) is one relating to an error message. Perhaps this is why the traceback on the error (useful debug info) is failing? My apologies, I am a python novice. -don On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Don Burns wrote: > > > >The problem: > > > > http://www.openscenegraph.net/listinfo > > > >Produces: > >///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > >Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 > > > >We're sorry, we hit a bug! > > > >If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of > >this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what > >happened. Thanks! > > > >Traceback: > > > >Content-type: text/html > > > >We're sorry, we hit a bug! > > > >Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a > >useful traceback for you. Please report this to the Mailman administrator > >at this site. > >///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > > >I have > > o checked my installation and configuration of mailman and all seems > >ok. > > o run check_perms and fixed some minor problems, also fine. > > o locks are legitimate (qrunner is the only one and it is running) > > o plenty of disk space and no disk problems > > o postfix and apache are working fine. > > > >I wrote a small test script and tried it in the mailman/cgi-bin and it > >worked fine. I've also restarted postfix, apache, mailman. The problem > >persists. > > > >The problem started occuring suddenly this morning after having run for > >several months with no issues. The last entry in the error log is from > >Jan 18 (4 days ago). > > > >For reference, the server is running Suse 9.1, kernel 2.6.5-7.111.5-smp. > >Mailman is version 2.1.4 (as reported in the error message). > > > >I'm stuck! Please help. > > Does "bin/check_db --all" report any errors? > > Does "bin/list_lists" work? If not, try adding " print n" at the > top of the " for n in names:" loop to see which list has the > problem. > > If "bin/list_lists" works, you could try adding "syslog('error', > )" in Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py > to try to pinpoint where it goes wrong. > > Also, is there anything in lists/ that doesn't belong? I.e. a directory > that isn't a list or a top level file? > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > From msapiro at value.net Sat Jan 22 23:22:53 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:22:53 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-script "low level failure" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Don Burns wrote: > >Thanks for the quick reply. I've tried your suggestions and came up >empty. db_check --all did not report errors, list_lists output was clean >and everything expected, A couple of debug lines in listinfo.py never >showed up (I assumed they would print in logs/error). There are no >foreign files or directories in lists. > >I do have a new piece to the puzzle. The apache2 log file reports this >when accessing a cgi-script: > >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] [----- Mailman >Version: 2.1.4 -----] >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] [----- Traceback >------] >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] Traceback (most >recent call last): >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] File >"/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 241, in ? >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] run_main() >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] File >"/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 69, in run_main >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] import >xml.sax.saxutils >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] ImportError: No >module named xml.sax.saxutils >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] [Mailman: low >level unrecoverable exception] > >Upon investigation, it looks as if the error at line 69 (import of >xml.sax.saxutils) is one relating to an error message. Perhaps this is >why the traceback on the error (useful debug info) is failing? Something is very strange. The line #s in the above trace don't correlate with the 2.1.4 scripts/driver. Also there is no "import xml.sax.saxutils" in this file and Mailman doesn't import xml.sax.saxutils ( a Python library module) anywhere that I can see. Possibly scripts/driver has been replaced and/or something is wrong with the wrappers in cgi-bin/ -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sat Jan 22 23:33:40 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:33:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-script "low level failure" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark Sapiro wrote: > >Something is very strange. The line #s in the above trace don't >correlate with the 2.1.4 scripts/driver. Also there is no "import >xml.sax.saxutils" in this file and Mailman doesn't import >xml.sax.saxutils ( a Python library module) anywhere that I can see. Also, since xml.sax.saxutils is a Python library module, "import xml.sax.saxutils" shouldn't fail unless something is wrong with the Python installation. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From don at andesengineering.com Sun Jan 23 03:05:55 2005 From: don at andesengineering.com (Don Burns) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:05:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-script "low level failure" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wow... that was it. I have two machines with the same OS/Mailman installation and all other files were identical except for the driver script. This looks like a very sneaky hack and now I have security concerns. Once I replaced the driver script things went back to normal. Is it appropriate to post the "hacked" driver script so that others can be aware? I'd also be interested in someone's take as to what the perpetrators were trying to accomplish. Thank goodness this wouldn't run. Thank you. -don On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Don Burns wrote: > > > >Thanks for the quick reply. I've tried your suggestions and came up > >empty. db_check --all did not report errors, list_lists output was clean > >and everything expected, A couple of debug lines in listinfo.py never > >showed up (I assumed they would print in logs/error). There are no > >foreign files or directories in lists. > > > >I do have a new piece to the puzzle. The apache2 log file reports this > >when accessing a cgi-script: > > > >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] > >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] [----- Mailman > >Version: 2.1.4 -----] > >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] [----- Traceback > >------] > >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] Traceback (most > >recent call last): > >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] File > >"/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 241, in ? > >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] run_main() > >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] File > >"/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 69, in run_main > >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] import > >xml.sax.saxutils > >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] ImportError: No > >module named xml.sax.saxutils > >[Sat Jan 22 13:12:46 2005] [error] [client 63.204.157.8] [Mailman: low > >level unrecoverable exception] > > > >Upon investigation, it looks as if the error at line 69 (import of > >xml.sax.saxutils) is one relating to an error message. Perhaps this is > >why the traceback on the error (useful debug info) is failing? > > Something is very strange. The line #s in the above trace don't > correlate with the 2.1.4 scripts/driver. Also there is no "import > xml.sax.saxutils" in this file and Mailman doesn't import > xml.sax.saxutils ( a Python library module) anywhere that I can see. > > Possibly scripts/driver has been replaced and/or something is wrong > with the wrappers in cgi-bin/ > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > From don at andesengineering.com Sun Jan 23 03:07:25 2005 From: don at andesengineering.com (Don Burns) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:07:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-script "low level failure" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hm... it does, though, even through command line python. Is this the same Sax as the suse X config SAX? -don On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > >Something is very strange. The line #s in the above trace don't > >correlate with the 2.1.4 scripts/driver. Also there is no "import > >xml.sax.saxutils" in this file and Mailman doesn't import > >xml.sax.saxutils ( a Python library module) anywhere that I can see. > > Also, since xml.sax.saxutils is a Python library module, "import > xml.sax.saxutils" shouldn't fail unless something is wrong with the > Python installation. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > From rodgerh1 at alltel.net Sat Jan 22 23:47:43 2005 From: rodgerh1 at alltel.net (Rodger Holland) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:47:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050122174141.00c400a0@mail.alltel.net> Greetings, I am a professor (gcsu.edu) doing some academic research on ethics; I would like to create a merge file and send it from my site (currently under construction; www.ethics-research.org) so the mail has FROM as ethics-research.org yet is a personalized emal (Professor Smith, Jones, etc.). This is easy in Word, but my problem is to be able to email from the site instead of Rodger Holland, or Rodger Holland at gcsu.edu. I am not sure if MailMan, or an add-on, will accomplish what I need and am requesting advice. Thanks in advance for your time, Rodger From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sun Jan 23 13:28:52 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:28:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050122174141.00c400a0@mail.alltel.net> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050122174141.00c400a0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: At 5:47 PM -0500 2005-01-22, Rodger Holland wrote: > I am not sure if MailMan, or an add-on, will accomplish what I need and > am requesting advice. Mailman doesn't really do much in the way of mail-merge. See . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From mailman at mathesonuk.com Sun Jan 23 15:12:35 2005 From: mailman at mathesonuk.com (mailman at mathesonuk.com) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:12:35 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Domain repeated in URL Message-ID: <41F3B0D3.13250.552854@localhost> I have recently set up a new installation of Mailman 2.1.5. All is working OK but the URLs generated in the admin interface have the domain name repeated. e.g. In the main list webpage at http://mailman.mydomain.org/mailman/admin The link to the Mailman list appears as: http://mailman.mydomain.org/mailman/mailman.mydomain.org/admin/mailman I have tried altering Defaults.py but can't seem to get it working. Defaults.py includes: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mydomain.org' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mailman.mydomain.org' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' # DEFAULT_HOST_NAME has been replaced with DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, however some # sites may have the former in their mm_cfg.py files. If so, we'll believe # that, otherwise we'll believe DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST. Same for DEFAULT_URL. DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'mydomain.org' DEFAULT_URL = 'mailman.mydomain.org' And my http.conf includes ServerName mailman.mydomain.org ServerAlias www.mailman.mydomain.org DocumentRoot /usr/local/mailman ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/ Options +FollowSymLinks This is exactly the same configuration as on our previous server which worked fine. Can someone point me in the right direction to sort this. Many thanks, Sandy Matheson From msapiro at value.net Sun Jan 23 18:34:30 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:34:30 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050122174141.00c400a0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Rodger Holland wrote: > >This is easy in Word, but my problem is to be able to email from the site >instead of Rodger Holland, or Rodger Holland at gcsu.edu. If this is the only issue, I would think it would be relatively simple to set up an account/identity in Outlook or whatever Word uses as its mailer to set the From: to whatever you want. As Brad and the FAQ's point out, Mailman is not a good tool to do what you want. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Sun Jan 23 18:51:31 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:51:31 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Domain repeated in URL In-Reply-To: <41F3B0D3.13250.552854@localhost> Message-ID: mailman at mathesonuk.com wrote: >I have recently set up a new installation of Mailman 2.1.5. All is >working OK but the URLs generated in the admin interface have the >domain name repeated. > >e.g. In the main list webpage at >http://mailman.mydomain.org/mailman/admin > >The link to the Mailman list appears as: >http://mailman.mydomain.org/mailman/mailman.mydomain.org/admin/mailman > >I have tried altering Defaults.py but can't seem to get it working. > >Defaults.py includes: >DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mydomain.org' >DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mailman.mydomain.org' >DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' > You shouldn't be changing Defaults.py. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.021.htp This isn't the problem though (unless you have things in mm_cfg.py that override your Defaults.py changes). The problem is that changes to DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN don't affect web_page_url for existing lists. You have to run fix_url.py (runs under bin/withlist; run bin/fix_url.py for instructions) to update existing lists after you change any of these. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From relson at osagesoftware.com Sun Jan 23 20:44:57 2005 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:44:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeDecodeError in Commands/cmd_subscribe.py Message-ID: <20050123144457.3b1e0d6a@osage.osagesoftware.com> Greetings, I just noticed this Traceback (and several older ones just like it): Jan 23 14:28:08 2005 (1640) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 239, in _dispose res.do_command('join') File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 137, in do_command return handler.process(self, args) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Commands/cmd_subscribe.py", line 87, in process h = make_header(decode_header(realname)) File "/home/relson/tmp/RPM/mailman-buildroot/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 144, in make_header File "/home/relson/tmp/RPM/mailman-buildroot/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 272, in append UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xb3 in position 0: ordinal not in range(128) Looking at the code, it looks like the fix should be (roughly) what's below. Am I close??? Regards, David --- Mailman/Commands/cmd_subscribe.py.orig 2004-09-02 08:45:52.000000000 -0400 +++ Mailman/Commands/cmd_subscribe.py 2005-01-23 14:38:19.000000000 -0500 @@ -83,12 +83,12 @@ if not address: res.results.append(_('No valid address found to subscribe')) return STOP - # Watch for encoded names - h = make_header(decode_header(realname)) - # BAW: in Python 2.2, use just unicode(h) - realname = h.__unicode__() - # Coerce to byte string if uh contains only ascii try: + # Watch for encoded names + h = make_header(decode_header(realname)) + # BAW: in Python 2.2, use just unicode(h) + realname = h.__unicode__() + # Coerce to byte string if uh contains only ascii realname = realname.encode('us-ascii') except UnicodeError: pass From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Mon Jan 24 01:21:38 2005 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:21:38 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeDecodeError in Commands/cmd_subscribe.py In-Reply-To: <20050123144457.3b1e0d6a@osage.osagesoftware.com> References: <20050123144457.3b1e0d6a@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: <41F43F92.6090605@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, David Relson wrote: > Greetings, > > I just noticed this Traceback (and several older ones just like it): > > Jan 23 14:28:08 2005 (1640) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 239, in _dispose > res.do_command('join') > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 137, in do_command > return handler.process(self, args) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Commands/cmd_subscribe.py", line 87, in process > h = make_header(decode_header(realname)) > File "/home/relson/tmp/RPM/mailman-buildroot/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 144, in make_header > File "/home/relson/tmp/RPM/mailman-buildroot/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 272, in append > UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xb3 in position 0: ordinal not in range(128) > > Looking at the code, it looks like the fix should be (roughly) what's below. Am I close??? This was fixed in CVS in a different way. This person should however fix his MUA to send MIME compliant user address. Thank you for reporting. > > Regards, > > David > > --- Mailman/Commands/cmd_subscribe.py.orig 2004-09-02 08:45:52.000000000 -0400 > +++ Mailman/Commands/cmd_subscribe.py 2005-01-23 14:38:19.000000000 -0500 > @@ -83,12 +83,12 @@ > if not address: > res.results.append(_('No valid address found to subscribe')) > return STOP > - # Watch for encoded names > - h = make_header(decode_header(realname)) > - # BAW: in Python 2.2, use just unicode(h) > - realname = h.__unicode__() > - # Coerce to byte string if uh contains only ascii > try: > + # Watch for encoded names > + h = make_header(decode_header(realname)) > + # BAW: in Python 2.2, use just unicode(h) > + realname = h.__unicode__() > + # Coerce to byte string if uh contains only ascii > realname = realname.encode('us-ascii') > except UnicodeError: > pass > -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From relson at osagesoftware.com Mon Jan 24 01:49:21 2005 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:49:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeDecodeError in Commands/cmd_subscribe.py In-Reply-To: <41F43F92.6090605@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <20050123144457.3b1e0d6a@osage.osagesoftware.com> <41F43F92.6090605@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20050123194921.2651e0c6@osage.osagesoftware.com> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:21:38 +0900 Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > Hi, > > David Relson wrote: > > > Greetings, > > > > I just noticed this Traceback (and several older ones just like it): > > > > Jan 23 14:28:08 2005 (1640) Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop > > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in _onefile > > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 239, in _dispose > > res.do_command('join') > > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 137, in do_command > > return handler.process(self, args) > > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Commands/cmd_subscribe.py", line 87, in process > > h = make_header(decode_header(realname)) > > File "/home/relson/tmp/RPM/mailman-buildroot/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 144, in make_header > > File "/home/relson/tmp/RPM/mailman-buildroot/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 272, in append > > UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xb3 in position 0: ordinal not in range(128) > > > > Looking at the code, it looks like the fix should be (roughly) what's below. Am I close??? > > This was fixed in CVS in a different way. This person should however fix > his MUA to send MIME compliant user address. Thank you for reporting. Hi Tokio, The sender is a spammer. I very much doubt he'll either mend his ways or his software. By the way, I'd much like to see a hook allowing mailman to call an external spam filter when a message arrives from an unknown sender. For my lists, most messages from unknown senders are spam. Rather than deal with them manually, I'd like to have mailman call an external spam filter and use the result to pass the message to the moderator or to discard the message if it's spammish. I've got something like the following in mind: ### for Handlers/Moderate.py def do_spamcheck(msg): try: fp = os.popen(mm_cfg.SPAM_COMMAND, 'w') fp.write(msg) result = fp.close() # Spam - None (0) # Ham - 1 # Unsure - 2 if result == None: return 'Spam' else: result = result >> 8 if result == 1: return 'Ham' if result == 2: return 'Unsure' except: return 'Unknown' ### in function process of Moderate.py #### Run spam filter; discard if spam #### if do_spamcheck(msg) == 'Spam': do_discard(mlist, msg) Regards, David From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Mon Jan 24 02:04:38 2005 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:04:38 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeDecodeError in Commands/cmd_subscribe.py In-Reply-To: <20050123194921.2651e0c6@osage.osagesoftware.com> References: <20050123144457.3b1e0d6a@osage.osagesoftware.com> <41F43F92.6090605@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <20050123194921.2651e0c6@osage.osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: <41F449A6.2030907@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> > The sender is a spammer. I very much doubt he'll either mend his ways or his software. > > By the way, I'd much like to see a hook allowing mailman to call an > external spam filter when a message arrives from an unknown sender. See the FAQ for example: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.023.htp -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From relson at osagesoftware.com Mon Jan 24 03:35:07 2005 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:35:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeDecodeError in Commands/cmd_subscribe.py In-Reply-To: <41F449A6.2030907@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <20050123144457.3b1e0d6a@osage.osagesoftware.com> <41F43F92.6090605@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <20050123194921.2651e0c6@osage.osagesoftware.com> <41F449A6.2030907@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20050123213507.5dc873b0@osage.osagesoftware.com> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:04:38 +0900 Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > > > The sender is a spammer. I very much doubt he'll either mend his ways or his software. > > > > By the way, I'd much like to see a hook allowing mailman to call an > > external spam filter when a message arrives from an unknown sender. > > See the FAQ for example: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.023.htp Interesting... Looks like OWNER_PIPELINE provides an entry naming filter.py. My interest is bogofilter, not spamassassin, but I can model what I want on the faq. Thanks for the tip. David From patrickh at gmail.com Mon Jan 24 04:23:45 2005 From: patrickh at gmail.com (Patrick Hartman) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:23:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user question Message-ID: <180087170501231923263e7cc9@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I am working with a client who needs to start doing bulk e-mail blasts to a opt-in e-mail list. He has Mailman on his site already, and since I have not heard of it before tonight I am trying to do a little homework on it. I understand that Mailman is a discussion list tool, but was wondering if it was possible to use it to send out e-mails from the administrator to the subscribers only (without the users reply/discussion aspect)? Just wondering if I am barking up the wrong tree with Mailman and should be looking for something else to do this for me. Thanks! From relson at osagesoftware.com Mon Jan 24 05:40:30 2005 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:40:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user question In-Reply-To: <180087170501231923263e7cc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <180087170501231923263e7cc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050123234030.3122bcd4@osage.osagesoftware.com> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:23:45 -0600 Patrick Hartman wrote: > Hi all, I am working with a client who needs to start doing bulk > e-mail blasts to a opt-in e-mail list. He has Mailman on his site > already, and since I have not heard of it before tonight I am trying > to do a little homework on it. > > I understand that Mailman is a discussion list tool, but was wondering > if it was possible to use it to send out e-mails from the > administrator to the subscribers only (without the users > reply/discussion aspect)? Just wondering if I am barking up the wrong > tree with Mailman and should be looking for something else to do this > for me. Thanks! Patrick, It can be done! The usual term is "announce only list". Basically the administrator creates/maintains the list of subscribers and disables the usual "subscribe" messages for adding subscribers. Regards, David From msapiro at value.net Mon Jan 24 05:59:35 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:59:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user question In-Reply-To: <180087170501231923263e7cc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Patrick Hartman wrote: > >I understand that Mailman is a discussion list tool, but was wondering >if it was possible to use it to send out e-mails from the >administrator to the subscribers only (without the users >reply/discussion aspect)? Just wondering if I am barking up the wrong >tree with Mailman and should be looking for something else to do this >for me. Thanks! See >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py article 3.11 -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dale at sanbi.ac.za Mon Jan 24 08:32:15 2005 From: dale at sanbi.ac.za (Dale Gibbs) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:32:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie 2 with lost of questions Message-ID: <41F4A47F.2050509@sanbi.ac.za> Good day all I am new at this aswell so bear with me please I have a existing mail server running Exim3 with Mailman 2 no problem (NOTE: I didnt set it up). Because of different parties splitting themselves I have to setup a new machine on which I have installed Exim 4 with Mailman 2.1.5 and the O/S is FreeBSD 5.3 Release.(I did it with the portinstall) I have installed apache and setup a list fine but now I need to get my mail working. Is it possible some way to configure exim to use the existing Mail server to route mail to the new machine and if so how would i do it. Appreciate any input... I am still working through the manual but thought i would drop a mail aswell as time isnt on my side Thanks Dale -- Dale Gibbs Jr Sys Admin SANBI, University of the Western Cape, South Africa http://www.sanbi.ac.za/~dale Cell: +27721469346 Visit http://www.sanbi.ac.za "...the greatest pursuit is finding something worth dying for." From hislaw at verizon.net Mon Jan 24 02:42:19 2005 From: hislaw at verizon.net (Elijah) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:42:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Message-ID: I have read the documentation on list.org and cannot find the answers I am seeking: 1. Is there a way I can search and find all users who have set their mode to "digest" ? 2. If #1 is possible, can I then change these flags for all users from digest to non-digest mode or does it have to be done individually ? From leonardo at riseup.net Sun Jan 23 22:30:10 2005 From: leonardo at riseup.net (leonardo) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:30:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 Message-ID: <41F41762.4000904@riseup.net> **** Text **** Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 203, in main change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc, mlist_language) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1384, in change_options gui.handleForm(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/Privacy.py", line 510, in handleForm GUIBase.handleForm(self, mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/GUIBase.py", line 154, in handleForm doc.addError( File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 347, in addError self.AddItem(Header(3, Bold(FontAttr( TypeError: not enough arguments for format string ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.3.4 (#2, Jan 5 2005, 08:24:51) [GCC 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-5)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_REFERER https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/admin/cmi-cuiaba/privacy SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-2 mod_ssl/2.8.22 OpenSSL/0.9.7d SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.33 Server at lists.indymedia.org Port 443 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300 SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING CONTENT_LENGTH 3493 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; pt-BR; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive HTTP_COOKIE cmi-cuiaba+admin=2802000000697a14f441732800000033386464323966353539376136643035316163366461336361643039646333643066373932386632 SERVER_NAME lists.indymedia.org REMOTE_ADDR 200.176.64.196 PATH_TRANSLATED /var/www/lists/cmi-cuiaba/privacy SERVER_PORT 443 SERVER_ADDR 69.90.134.132 DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/lists PYTHONPATH /var/lib/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/admin SERVER_ADMIN imc-sysadmin at lists.indymedia.org SCRIPT_URI https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/admin/cmi-cuiaba/privacy HTTP_HOST lists.indymedia.org SCRIPT_URL /mailman/admin/cmi-cuiaba/privacy HTTPS on REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin/cmi-cuiaba/privacy HTTP_ACCEPT text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 REMOTE_PORT 4358 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE pt-br,pt;q=0.5 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip,deflate PATH_INFO /cmi-cuiaba/privacy **** HTML **** Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks!

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 203, in main
    change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc, mlist_language)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1384, in change_options
    gui.handleForm(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/Privacy.py", line 510, in handleForm
    GUIBase.handleForm(self, mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/GUIBase.py", line 154, in handleForm
    doc.addError(
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 347, in addError
    self.AddItem(Header(3, Bold(FontAttr(
TypeError: not enough arguments for format string

Python information:

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From sud at neo.tamu.edu Mon Jan 24 00:32:40 2005 From: sud at neo.tamu.edu (Ramasamy, Sudhakar) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:32:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailiman -- add_members invite option Message-ID: I've looked at the code but being unfamiliar with python and the mailman system I don't have the skills necessary to write a wrapper or hack the add_members command. I was wondering if somebody already has a solution in place. Thanks -sud ________________________________ From: mailman-users-bounces at python.org on behalf of Mark Sapiro Sent: Sat 1/22/2005 1:14 PM To: Ramasamy, Sudhakar; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailiman -- add_members invite option Ramasamy, Sudhakar wrote: > >I was wondering if the add_members command in mailman has a command-line >invite option or if anyone might have a hack for it. It doesn't have an invite option. It looks like it would be fairly easy to do. Look at the code that's conditional on subscribe_or_invite in the try: around line 1328 in Mailman/Cgi/admin.py and compare it to the code in the try: around line 134 in bin/add_members. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Jan 24 09:36:42 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:36:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie 2 with lost of questions In-Reply-To: <41F4A47F.2050509@sanbi.ac.za> References: <41F4A47F.2050509@sanbi.ac.za> Message-ID: At 9:32 AM +0200 2005-01-24, Dale Gibbs wrote: > Is it possible some way to configure exim to use the existing Mail server > to route mail to the new machine and if so how would i do it. This is an Exim configuration question, and you would be best served by asking it on exim-related mailing lists or newsgroups, perusing their FAQ, etc.... While there are perhaps a couple of people on this list who are knowledgeable on Exim, you would be much more likely to find larger numbers of knowledgeable people on Exim on their mailing lists. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Jan 24 09:49:17 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:49:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 5:42 PM -0800 2005-01-23, Elijah wrote: > 1. Is there a way I can search and find all users who have set > their mode to "digest" ? Using the web interface? No. Using command-line tools? Probably, but I'll let someone more knowledegable from that side answer that question. > 2. If #1 is possible, can I then change these flags for all users > from digest to non-digest mode or does it have to be done > individually ? It would be done individually. Of course, with a bit of command-line scripting, that could be done pretty quickly unless you've got a really large list. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Mon Jan 24 09:47:22 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:47:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailiman -- add_members invite option In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 5:32 PM -0600 2005-01-23, Ramasamy, Sudhakar wrote: > I've looked at the code but being unfamiliar with python and the mailman > system I don't have the skills necessary to write a wrapper or hack the > add_members command. > > I was wondering if somebody already has a solution in place. If they did, I think they would have responded to you by now. Sorry, I wish we had a better answer for you. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From yd at media-c.de Mon Jan 24 11:57:34 2005 From: yd at media-c.de (Yassen Damyanov) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:57:34 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderators' posts rejected Message-ID: <200501241257.34548.yd@media-c.de> Trying to setup an announcement-only list following Mailman FAQ 3.11, but got stuck: Seems that I've done everything described there but moderators' posts are rejected. Checked several times and cannot find where the configuration fails (dumped below, my email replaced for security). Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance. Yassen Damyanov ------------ real_name = 'Newsletter' owner = ['my-email at my.domain'] moderator = ['my-email at my.domain'] description = '' info = '' subject_prefix = '[Newsletter] ' anonymous_list = False first_strip_reply_to = False reply_goes_to_list = 0 reply_to_address = '' umbrella_list = False umbrella_member_suffix = '-owner' send_reminders = 1 welcome_msg = '' send_welcome_msg = True goodbye_msg = '' send_goodbye_msg = True admin_immed_notify = True admin_notify_mchanges = False respond_to_post_requests = 1 emergency = 0 new_member_options = 256 administrivia = True max_message_size = 40 host_name = 'my.domain' include_rfc2369_headers = 1 include_list_post_header = 1 preferred_language = 'en' available_languages = ['de', 'en'] encode_ascii_prefixes = 0 nondigestable = True personalize = 1 msg_header = '' msg_footer = """_______________________________________________ %(real_name)s Mailingliste %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s Um sich von der Liste abzumelden schicken Sie eine eMail an %%(real-name)s-leave@%(host_name)s und antworten sie auf die Best?tigungs-eMail.""" digestable = 0 digest_is_default = False mime_is_default_digest = False digest_size_threshhold = 30 digest_send_periodic = True digest_header = '' digest_footer = """_______________________________________________ %(real_name)s mailing list %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s""" digest_volume_frequency = 1 advertised = 1 subscribe_policy = 2 unsubscribe_policy = 0 ban_list = [] private_roster = 2 obscure_addresses = 1 default_member_moderation = 1 member_moderation_action = 1 member_moderation_notice = """Es tut uns leider aber diese Mailingliste erlaubt es den einzelnen eMail-Empf?ngern nicht eine Nachricht an die Mailingliste zu schicken. Ihr media C Team""" accept_these_nonmembers = [] hold_these_nonmembers = [] reject_these_nonmembers = [] discard_these_nonmembers = [] generic_nonmember_action = 2 forward_auto_discards = 1 require_explicit_destination = 1 acceptable_aliases = '' max_num_recipients = 10 header_filter_rules = [] bounce_matching_headers = """ to: friend at public.com message-id: relay.comanche.denmark.eu from: list at listme.com from: .*@uplinkpro.com""" bounce_processing = True bounce_score_threshold = 5.0 bounce_info_stale_after = 7 bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 3 bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval = 7 bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner = True bounce_notify_owner_on_disable = True bounce_notify_owner_on_removal = True archive = True archive_private = 0 archive_volume_frequency = 1 nntp_host = '' linked_newsgroup = '' gateway_to_news = 0 gateway_to_mail = 0 news_moderation = 0 news_prefix_subject_too = 1 autorespond_postings = 0 autoresponse_postings_text = '' autorespond_admin = 0 autoresponse_admin_text = '' autorespond_requests = 0 autoresponse_request_text = '' autoresponse_graceperiod = 90 filter_content = False filter_mime_types = '' pass_mime_types = """multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain""" convert_html_to_plaintext = True filter_action = 0 topics_enabled = 0 topics_bodylines_limit = 5 topics = [] ---------------- Here's the returned mail: Return-Path: X-Original-To: my-email at my.domain Delivered-To: my-email at my.domain Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx.my.domain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D35063E14 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:35:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from mx.my.domain ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (prodo.my.domain [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12597-10 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:34:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from prodo.my.domain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx.my.domain (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE0763E13 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:34:57 +0100 (CET) Subject: testting a post from a moderator From: newsletter-owner at my.domain To: my-email at my.domain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0548399100==" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:34:56 +0100 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: newsletter at my.domain X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: newsletter.my.domain X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: newsletter-bounces at my.domain Errors-To: newsletter-bounces at my.domain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616:clamav-0.80 at prodo.my.domain X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 tagged_above=-99.0 required=4.8 tests=NO_REAL_NAME, TW_KZ, TW_RK X-Spam-Level: X-UID: 3086 You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at newsletter-owner at my.domain. From yd at media-c.de Mon Jan 24 12:44:43 2005 From: yd at media-c.de (Yassen Damyanov) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:44:43 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SOLVED: moderators' posts rejected In-Reply-To: <200501241257.34548.yd@media-c.de> References: <200501241257.34548.yd@media-c.de> Message-ID: <200501241344.43272.yd@media-c.de> Just solved this myself: On Monday 24 January 2005 12:57, Yassen Damyanov wrote: > Trying to setup an announcement-only list following > Mailman FAQ 3.11, but got stuck: > > Seems that I've done everything described there but > moderators' posts are rejected. Not really; here's what I have missed: "One final step is needed so that the moderator can post to the list without doing "tend administrative requests". Go to the admin webpage for the list and UNCHECK the "mod" button for the moderator ONLY. All subscribers to the list should have the "mod" button turned ON, except for the moderator. This assumes that the moderator is also subscribed to the list." Yassen Damyanov From josean at multiphone.net.co Mon Jan 24 13:55:46 2005 From: josean at multiphone.net.co (josean) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:55:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] requested membership Message-ID: <41f4f052.266.3174.270496950@coldecon.net.co> address: josean at multiphone.net.co pass: 123456 GRACIAS POR EL MENSAJE LO RECIBI From brian.ensor at deri.org Mon Jan 24 14:22:17 2005 From: brian.ensor at deri.org (Brian Ensor) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:22:17 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] withlist -l -r fix_url fails to change link in archive In-Reply-To: <65DE20AA-6B52-11D9-9FC0-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> References: <20050120133149.92137.qmail@mail.host.ie> <65DE20AA-6B52-11D9-9FC0-000A957919FA@onjapan.net> Message-ID: <1106572938.4457.7.camel@nbgal065.ie.deri.local> On Fri, 2005-01-21 at 11:16 +0900, Jim Tittsler wrote: > On Jan 20, 2005, at 22:31, brian.ensor wrote: > > > After I have move all the files and completed the 'check_perms -f', > > receiving no errors, I go to run the command 'withlist -l -r fix_url > > mylist'. After this completes, I am able to go into the web interface > > and login, search archives etc...all links appear to have been changed > > fine. When I go to the archives, it appears that all of the archive > > links were corrected to the new url except for one. The 'More info on > > this list...' link still points to the old url. This is the case for > > all old archives...the current archive has the correct url (i.e. > > 2005-January archive is fine, but 2004-December and earlier are not). > > I'm actually surprised the links to the prior postings themselves > appear to be correct rather than only the "More info..." link being > wrong. The Pipermail indexes are normally static, and so I would have > expected you to have to do 'bin/arch --wipe' to rebuild them with the > new URL information. > > Many thanks for the reply. 'bin/arch --wipe' sorted out any problems. Regards- Brian From jwt at onjapan.net Mon Jan 24 14:41:44 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:41:44 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 In-Reply-To: <41F41762.4000904@riseup.net> References: <41F41762.4000904@riseup.net> Message-ID: On Jan 24, 2005, at 06:30, leonardo wrote: > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/Privacy.py", line 510, in > handleForm > GUIBase.handleForm(self, mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/GUIBase.py", line 154, in > handleForm > doc.addError( > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 347, in addError > self.AddItem(Header(3, Bold(FontAttr( > TypeError: not enough arguments for format string What were you doing when this happened? Do you have any of the fields on the Privacy page have an Email address that contains a '%' character? -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html From eric at 101sites.com Mon Jan 24 17:06:40 2005 From: eric at 101sites.com (Eric Elder) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:06:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe/Send Password not working Message-ID: My mailman's working fine... people can subscribe and they get the confirmation message, and users can post messages to the list. But when they try to unsubscribe or get their password sent to them using the web interface, they never get a confirmation message sent to them. Where would I look to try to find out why this is happening? (P.S. I have another list on the same server that uses a different domain name for the web interface, and the unsubscribe feature works fine on that domain. It's just on this 2nd domain that it is failing, if that gives any more clues.) Thanks, Eric From sds at gnu.org Mon Jan 24 15:24:26 2005 From: sds at gnu.org (Sam Steingold) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:24:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Where is 'reject' message stored References: <5.2.0.9.2.20031023230804.025ac868@mail.whoffman.com> <1066968638.2605.312.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: > * Jon Carnes [2003-10-24 00:10:39 -0400]: > > On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 23:10, Warren Hoffman wrote: >> One of my associates set up content filters to reject attachments and other >> things. He created a custom message to explain this. Now he wants to change >> the message, but I cannot locate which file in /mailman holds the text (and >> I did look at all of them). Can somebody tell me how I could find it. I do >> know text fragments. > > for i in `find /var/mailman/ -type f` do; grep -H "fragment" $i; done > > This will search through every file in every subdirectory of > /var/mailman and look for the word "fragment". If it finds a match, it > prints out the files name. "grep -r .... /usr/lib/mailman/" finds Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py which appear to hard-code the rejection messages. Feature request: 1. for "class SuspiciousHeaders": optionally add the name and the value of the suspicious header to the rejection message. the moderator then can remove it if he wants to, but it gives him valuable fedback on which rules trigger. 2. for all rejection messages, allow a common custom explanation. e.g., I find it very inconvenient to have to insert "See for details." after each rejection message. Thanks! -- Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds) running w2k Daddy, why doesn't this magnet pick up this floppy disk? From michaelw at caltech.edu Mon Jan 24 18:04:10 2005 From: michaelw at caltech.edu (Michael Wollschleager) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:04:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem while trying to add to non-member auto-accept Message-ID: I've been doing some research and have been unable to find an answer to this problem, so here goes.. I am the campus administrator for our Mailman installation. One of the lists we have setup has a large amount of names in the non-member auto-accept field. When trying to add another name, the error below appears. Is there a limit on the number of names that can exist in this field? Thank you, Mike ---- Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 169, in main change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) File "/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1222, in change_options gui.handleForm(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) File "/local/mailman/Mailman/Gui/GUIBase.py", line 152, in handleForm doc.addError( File "/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 340, in addError self.AddItem(Header(3, Bold(FontAttr( TypeError: not enough arguments for format string ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Jan 6 2003, 10:13:44) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (release)] sys.executable /local/bin/python sys.prefix /local/bin/../stow/Python-2.2.2 sys.exec_prefix /local/bin/../stow/Python-2.2.2 sys.path /local/bin/../stow/Python-2.2.2 sys.platform sunos5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Environment variables: Variable Value CONTENT_LENGTH 26218 force_response_1_0 1 SERVER_PORT 443 HTTP_REFERER https://utils.its.caltech.edu/mailman/admin/caltechc/privacy/sender SCRIPT_FILENAME /local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin PYTHONPATH /local/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/2.0.43 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.43 OpenSSL/0.9.6h SERVER_ADMIN unix-admins at caltech.edu SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/2.0.43 Server at utils.its.caltech.edu Port 443 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST utils.its.caltech.edu PATH_INFO /caltechc/privacy/sender HTTPS on SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL no-cache REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin/caltechc/privacy/sender HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/x-shockwave-flash, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/msword, */* HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) TZ US/Pacific SERVER_NAME utils.its.caltech.edu nokeepalive 1 REMOTE_ADDR 69.225.139.221 REMOTE_PORT 60461 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us downgrade_1_0 1 ssl_unclean_shutdown 1 PATH_TRANSLATED /local/htdocs/caltechc/privacy/sender CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_COOKIE caltechc+admin=2802000000697d059d417328000000643337383130393563356631616 33039636535663962393833396231636338386434303133363932 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate SERVER_ADDR 192.168.1.23 DOCUMENT_ROOT /local/htdocs From msapiro at value.net Mon Jan 24 18:34:27 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:34:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SOLVED: moderators' posts rejected In-Reply-To: <200501241344.43272.yd@media-c.de> Message-ID: Yassen Damyanov wrote: >> >> Seems that I've done everything described there but >> moderators' posts are rejected. > >Not really; here's what I have missed: > >"One final step is needed so that the moderator can post > to the list without doing "tend administrative requests". > Go to the admin webpage for the list and UNCHECK the > "mod" button for the moderator ONLY. All subscribers to > the list should have the "mod" button turned ON, except > for the moderator. This assumes that the moderator is > also subscribed to the list." Clearly this works, but it is not the best way to do this as it allows anyone to post to the list by spoofing the moderator's address. A more secure way is to leave everyone moderated and post using an Approved: line followed by a blank line as the first two lines of the message. This is briefly discussed in the "How to post to the announcement list:" section of FAQ 3.11 and also in FAQ 3.34. Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Mon Jan 24 18:52:47 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:52:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem while trying to add to non-memberauto-accept In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Michael Wollschleager wrote: > >I am the campus administrator for our Mailman installation. One of the >lists we have setup has a large amount of names in the non-member >auto-accept field. When trying to add another name, the error below >appears. Is there a limit on the number of names that can exist in >this field? > > >We're sorry, we hit a bug! >If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy >of >this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what >happened. Thanks! > >Traceback: > >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main > main() > File "/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 169, in main > change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) > File "/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1222, in >change_options > gui.handleForm(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) > File "/local/mailman/Mailman/Gui/GUIBase.py", line 152, in handleForm > doc.addError( > File "/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 340, in addError > self.AddItem(Header(3, Bold(FontAttr( >TypeError: not enough arguments for format string There actually is a bug in addError (see report at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1099840&group_id=103&atid=100103 and see "line 334" in http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py?r1=2.18&r2=2.18.2.3 for fix). The problem that triggers the bug is you have an e-mail address in the list which is deemed invalid and that address happens to contain a '%' character. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From michaelw at caltech.edu Mon Jan 24 19:18:51 2005 From: michaelw at caltech.edu (Michael Wollschleager) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:18:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem while trying to add to non-memberauto-accept In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65E1FC28-6E34-11D9-A0BA-000D933859EC@caltech.edu> On Jan 24, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > There actually is a bug in addError (see report at > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? > func=detail&aid=1099840&group_id=103&atid=100103 > and see "line 334" in > http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/Mailman/ > htmlformat.py?r1=2.18&r2=2.18.2.3 > for fix). > > The problem that triggers the bug is you have an e-mail address in the > list which is deemed invalid and that address happens to contain a '%' > character. Excellent - thank you for this information, Mark. I have found the offending address(es) and removed them successfully. Now off to read the bug report. Mike From msapiro at value.net Mon Jan 24 19:58:28 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:58:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Elijah wrote: > >1. Is there a way I can search and find all users who have set >their mode to "digest" ? If you have command line access, bin/list_members will do this. bin/list_members --help >2. If #1 is possible, can I then change these flags for all users >from digest to non-digest mode or does it have to be done >individually ? Again if you have command line access, you can do this with bin/withlist as follows - Warning! this is untested - use at your own risk - backup the list//config.pck file first. Make the following six line file and save it in bin/nodigest.py ---------------file begins on next line from Mailman import mm_cfg def nodigest(mlist): for member in mlist.getDigestMemberKeys(): mlist.setMemberOption(member, mm_cfg.Digests, 0) mlist.Save() ---------------file ends on previous line Then do bin/withlist -l -r nodigest If you don't have command line access, it's more difficult. Both the web roster (http://www.example.com/mailman/roster/) and the e-mail "who" command will list regular and digest member separately, but they don't show "hidden" members if any. It is possible to do some things like this by scripting the web interface. See http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#throughtheweb for examples. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Mon Jan 24 20:19:22 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:19:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe/Send Password not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Eric Elder wrote: > >But when they try to unsubscribe or get their password sent to them >using the web interface, they never get a confirmation message sent to >them. > >Where would I look to try to find out why this is happening? Check the Mailman smtp log to see if the message is being sent. You might also check the Mailman smtp-failure log and your MTA's logs. This will at least tell you whether or not the message has been sent. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From bpfields at gmail.com Mon Jan 24 22:51:51 2005 From: bpfields at gmail.com (Brian Fields) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:51:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Reply-All Message-ID: <9e6589b8050124135168bee15e@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, I was wondering if there is anyway to prevent the reply-all from going to the list address... I've set up a newsletter address for a promotions company to promote one of their clients... the mailing address is on the promotions company's web account as opposed to the client's (they didn't have the access to do that.) So they would prefer that any replies or questions are sent to the company instead of to the list. I've noticed that if someone chooses "Reply All", the chosen reply-to email comes up, but so does the list address. Is there any way to prevent the list address from coming up, or is there anyway to set mailman up so that if a non-admin/moderator sends an email it gets fowarded to a different address? Short of manually denying all unwanted mails when people hit reply-all, I can't figure out anyway to prevent the promotions companyand me from not having to mess with moderating mailman. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide, sorry if this is the wrong method for posing this question. :) -Brian From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Jan 25 00:09:38 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:09:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Where is 'reject' message stored In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.2.20031023230804.025ac868@mail.whoffman.com> <1066968638.2605.312.camel@Anncons4> Message-ID: At 9:24 AM -0500 2005-01-24, Sam Steingold wrote: > 2. for all rejection messages, allow a common custom explanation. > e.g., I find it very inconvenient to have to insert > "See for details." > after each rejection message. I've uploaded a patch which allows you to re-use the member_moderation_notice as a result of a generic_nonmember_action which results in a rejection. See . This may not solve all your problems, but might still be useful to you. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 25 03:27:13 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:27:13 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Reply-All In-Reply-To: <9e6589b8050124135168bee15e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Brian Fields wrote: >Hey all, I was wondering if there is anyway to prevent the reply-all >from going to the list address... > >I've set up a newsletter address for a promotions company to promote >one of their clients... the mailing address is on the promotions >company's web account as opposed to the client's (they didn't have the >access to do that.) So they would prefer that any replies or questions >are sent to the company instead of to the list. As long as the list address is in a To: or Cc: header, reply-all will include the list. One way to do what you want is to address the list posts to the company address with a Bcc: to the list address. You would then want to look at Privacy options...->Recipient filters and either set require_explicit_destination to 'No' or add the company address to acceptable_aliases so that posts aren't held for approval. Another approach would be to set OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes in mm_cfg.py and then enable full personalization (on the Non-digest options page) for the list which will replace the list address in To: with the recipient's address. This only works for regular posts, not for digests and incurs a big performance penalty as each recipient message must be sent individually. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From tckugler at yahoo.com Tue Jan 25 05:48:22 2005 From: tckugler at yahoo.com (Trent Kugler) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:48:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <20050125044822.4136.qmail@web50506.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I've been using Mail Man for a year or so now and all of a sudden I have stopped receiving notification of new subscription requests, Anyone have any ideas? Thanks! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' From msapiro.at.value.net at mail.value.net Tue Jan 25 06:51:17 2005 From: msapiro.at.value.net at mail.value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:51:17 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Reply-All In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark Sapiro wrote: > >Another approach would be to set > >OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes > >in mm_cfg.py and then enable full personalization (on the Non-digest >options page) for the list which will replace the list address in To: >with the recipient's address. This only works for regular posts, not >for digests and incurs a big performance penalty as each recipient >message must be sent individually. I just looked at the code, and the above won't work to "hide" the list address from reply-all. In fact, when list delivery is "fully personalized" and the recipient address is placed in the To: header, the list address is put in the Cc: in order that reply-all will include the list. Thus, my first suggestion is all I can think of at the moment that will work. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From erin at thedalzells.org Tue Jan 25 07:18:25 2005 From: erin at thedalzells.org (Erin Dalzell) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:18:25 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two questions Message-ID: I am running Mailman 2.1.5 on Mac OS X 10.3.7. I have two questions: 1) what owner/group should the files in my mailman directory be? 2) why isn't my mm_cfg.py file being read? I have an add_virtualhost in there, but it is never picked up. After making changes, I run, fix_url and restart mailcntrl. But only the changes I make in Default.py are picked up. Any ideas? Thanks emd From pokey at theranch.org Mon Jan 24 16:49:34 2005 From: pokey at theranch.org (Eric Elder) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:49:34 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe/Send password not working Message-ID: <8B1EC350-6E1F-11D9-9514-000A95F0DD46@theranch.org> My mailman's working fine, people can subscribe and they get the confirmation message, and users can post messages to the list. But when they try to unsubscribe or get their password sent to them using the web interface, they never get a confirmation message sent to them. Where would I look to try to find out why this is happening? (P.S. I have another list on the same server that uses a different domain name for the web interface, and the unsubscribe feature works fine on that domain. It's just on this 2nd domain that it is failing, if that gives any more clues.) Thanks, Eric From pokey at theranch.org Mon Jan 24 17:06:03 2005 From: pokey at theranch.org (Eric Elder) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:06:03 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe/Send Password not working Message-ID: My mailman's working fine... people can subscribe and they get the confirmation message, and users can post messages to the list. But when they try to unsubscribe or get their password sent to them using the web interface, they never get a confirmation message sent to them. Where would I look to try to find out why this is happening? (P.S. I have another list on the same server that uses a different domain name for the web interface, and the unsubscribe feature works fine on that domain. It's just on this 2nd domain that it is failing, if that gives any more clues.) Thanks, Eric From james.becker at gamerzcity.co.uk Mon Jan 24 17:37:43 2005 From: james.becker at gamerzcity.co.uk (James Becker) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:37:43 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reports Message-ID: <20050124163819.8F0FB1E4003@bag.python.org> I have just swapped our company to Mailman from a not so good win32 application, I have a demonstration system setup working to how the win32 app worked (but better). Does Mailman produce any reporting on its mailings? I send a HTML mailing from a php admin page that sends the email to Mailman to process but really don't know the success rate or if the mailing is finished. Cheers James. From lars.bungum at copyleft.no Tue Jan 25 00:08:56 2005 From: lars.bungum at copyleft.no (Lars Bungum) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:08:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange bounce messages - why is it allowed through and how do I find out? Message-ID: <1106608136.2791.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm running a list of about 500 people, and have encountered a strange problem lately, namely that bounce messages from an address "dummy at not.exist" are being sent to the list. The subject is like this: Autoreply: {digest-subject} and body like this: "This email adress do not exist" so it appears to be bouncing the digest. The address does not exist, and obviously is not a subscribed to the list. And the posting policy is subscribers only. A lot of messages are being held for moderation because the posters are not members (spam). Still this one comes through. In the mailman/logs/post log file it just says that dummy at not.exist posted to the list at this or that time. I'm both bewildered and estranged - what is this? And how do I find out why it is allowed to post to the list? -- --lars From juliel at goodvibes.com Tue Jan 25 01:04:26 2005 From: juliel at goodvibes.com (Julie S. Lin) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:04:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie permission problems Message-ID: BlankHi Just installed mailman, command line works beautifully however when I try to use the web interface to create a list i get Error: You are not authorized to create new mailing lists It would appear that my apache configuration is user apache, group apache is okay and ScriptAlias /mailman/ $prefix/cgi-bin/ is in my configuration... check_perms -f show no problems found.I even reset the passwords for site manager and list creator. Any ideas? Julie From aiken.bcd at gmx.de Tue Jan 25 02:25:50 2005 From: aiken.bcd at gmx.de (aiken.bcd at gmx.de) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:25:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman causing high CPU load Message-ID: <016e01c5027c$ce4fbe60$0100007f@localhost> Hello, I have a problem with one of my mailman mailing lists. When someone trys to send an email to that list exim will create a couple of processes sending the emails to the mailinglist members. Two of these processes will stay alive for approx. 2 minutes and run at 100% CPU usage. Sometimes it almost kills the server. I've been trying to move this account to another server but it has the same problem there. I did also reinstall Exim and mailman without success so I guess it must be a problem with the settings I am using or something - however, this mailing list uses the same settings as my other mailing lists and is the only list with these problems. Even if you kill the exim process and then try to send the message again from the exim mailing queue it will load for 2 minutes before it does anything. Exim does not have any problems with any other emails...this happens only with emails from this mailing list. It doesn`t happen from other mailman mailing lists - only with this one. The list has around 250 subscribers and receives around 50 emails per day. - Mailman 2.1.5 - Fedora Core 1, WHM/Cpanel 9.9.9 - Exim 4 Any ideas ? Thanks, Sebastian Ohr From KT at nus.edu.sg Tue Jan 25 08:21:50 2005 From: KT at nus.edu.sg (K. Thirumaran) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:21:50 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation query Message-ID: <49AEB33EA724D24B886C08FB7871645E689C40@MBOX23.stu.nus.edu.sg> Hi, Are you the Vamsi from Rose-Hulman? Cheers! Thiru From ernest at afrinic.net Tue Jan 25 08:42:18 2005 From: ernest at afrinic.net (Ernest Byaruhanga) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:42:18 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list passwords Message-ID: <41F5F85A.9040907@afrinic.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 hello mailman-users, i have a small problem with passwords - when i change a list administrator's password from the web interface, both the old password that i use when creating the list and the new password will still work when i try to login to th list as admin. i cannot seem to find the exact answer from the list archives.. someone please advise where am going wrong. thanks, ernest. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBQfX4UOkIG2whqpjBAQJadQYAg9lVQlZNVzpt3hDY54Dw3KacS1po5yaH W1GG8bU5/hKWwmyjV6X/1YfhwWVlmBd/TdXJQrSIrHe0SNCmdvHvnf99+mjcEoKr gC1CSTypMIqZiA/AEh5SCaAipX25ZCuiz4tXdfknVoKg9jwWqsaWXoKvsNI7Qidi 9kJLFu6XRS8zv+8rLHqh8mLD0XbJO+h4O1F/YjT1zToJVXd+9bE27h0NGyubSyxn uYqjvAOOcYQdF/yfTCDSBqhMCEEZKDRk =djmC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Jan 25 09:19:50 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:19:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reports In-Reply-To: <20050124163819.8F0FB1E4003@bag.python.org> References: <20050124163819.8F0FB1E4003@bag.python.org> Message-ID: At 4:37 PM +0000 2005-01-24, James Becker wrote: > Does Mailman produce any reporting on its mailings? Nope. If you want that, you need to take the logs from your MTA and process them through something like "lire" from logreport.org. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Jan 25 09:27:30 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:27:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman causing high CPU load In-Reply-To: <016e01c5027c$ce4fbe60$0100007f@localhost> References: <016e01c5027c$ce4fbe60$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: At 2:25 AM +0100 2005-01-25, wrote: > I have a problem with one of my mailman mailing lists. When someone trys > to send an email to that list exim will create a couple of processes > sending the emails to the mailinglist members. Two of these processes > will stay alive for approx. 2 minutes and run at 100% CPU usage. Have you searched the Mailman FAQ Wizard at for "performance"? If not, you should give that a try. Other than that, since you're talking about using Exim as your MTA, you may need to go to one of their mailing lists or newsgroups, or use their FAQs or online documentation, etc.... Alternatively, see -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From johnny at temporalwave.com Tue Jan 25 10:50:54 2005 From: johnny at temporalwave.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johnny_Dahl=E9n?=) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:50:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface not working Message-ID: <41F6167E.5090602@temporalwave.com> Hi I have set up mailman on gentoo Linux and can't get the web interface working. The cgi-scripts are running as reading information works ok, ie I can log in, list subscribers, view all settings. But update doesn't work. I change a setting, press submit, but the change doesn't show. I can see no messenges in any of the logs as to what went wrong. The system is running Mailman 2.1.5-r2, Gentoo 1.4.6, Apache 2.0.50. Any pointers? /Johnny From pessoa at login.com.pt Tue Jan 25 12:42:29 2005 From: pessoa at login.com.pt (pessoa at login.com.pt) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:42:29 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling warnings to disabled members Message-ID: <20050125114229.GA17414@login.com.pt> Dear all, Is there some way to stop sending warnings a disabled members, while the list owner still receives the notification that the member is disabled. I would like to have mailman do bounce processing, but decide for myself when to actually remove a member completely from the list. Thanks! Pedro Pessoa From rmcleran at ix.netcom.com Tue Jan 25 15:41:42 2005 From: rmcleran at ix.netcom.com (Bob McLeran) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:41:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filter for (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20050125044822.4136.qmail@web50506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050125044822.4136.qmail@web50506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41F65AA6.1070806@ix.netcom.com> On the list I administer we get a few emails with no subject. Depending on the email client used to send the mail, the subject line shows up with "(no subject)" or a variant, or a blank line. We're havn't been able to figure out how to filter out those emails, despite using several variations. Here are the filters we currently have in place (that don't work): [Ss]ubject: .*[Nn]o [Ss]ubject.* [Ss]ubject: [Nn]o [Ss]ubject What should we be using for a filter in order to catch blank subject lines? Bob Listmeister for Trawlers-and-Trawlering List From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Jan 25 16:52:24 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:52:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface not working In-Reply-To: <41F6167E.5090602@temporalwave.com> References: <41F6167E.5090602@temporalwave.com> Message-ID: At 10:50 AM +0100 2005-01-25, Johnny Dahl?n wrote: > I have set up mailman on gentoo Linux and can't get the web interface > working. The cgi-scripts are running as reading information works ok, > ie I can log in, list subscribers, view all settings. But update > doesn't work. I change a setting, press submit, but the change doesn't > show. I can see no messenges in any of the logs as to what went wrong. Did you search the FAQ Wizard at ? If so, you should have turned up entries at and that may be related to your question. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue Jan 25 16:54:16 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:54:16 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling warnings to disabled members In-Reply-To: <20050125114229.GA17414@login.com.pt> References: <20050125114229.GA17414@login.com.pt> Message-ID: At 11:42 AM +0000 2005-01-25, pessoa at login.com.pt wrote: > Is there some way to stop sending warnings a disabled members, while the > list owner still receives the notification that the member is disabled. No, not that I know of. Mailman handles all this stuff automatically. You can influence it by modifying the bounce handling scores, but that's about it. > I would like to have mailman do bounce processing, but decide for myself > when to actually remove a member completely from the list. You can configure Mailman to notify you when someone is unsubscribed. So far as I know, that plus the modification to the bounce handling scores is about all you can do. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 25 17:00:33 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:00:33 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filter for (no subject) In-Reply-To: <41F65AA6.1070806@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: Bob McLeran wrote: >On the list I administer we get a few emails with no subject. Depending >on the email client used to send the mail, the subject line shows up >with "(no subject)" or a variant, or a blank line. We're havn't been >able to figure out how to filter out those emails, despite using several >variations. In the situation you describe, the subject is blank and the MUA reading the mail is providing the "(no subject)" message. >Here are the filters we currently have in place (that don't work): > >[Ss]ubject: .*[Nn]o [Ss]ubject.* This one is good for picking up things like "Re: No Subject" that might be produced in a reply. Assuming you are putting these in header_filter_rules, you don't need [Ss] etc. as the pattern match is set to ignore case. >[Ss]ubject: [Nn]o [Ss]ubject This is redundant if you have the previous one. >What should we be using for a filter in order to catch blank subject lines? Have you tried subject:[ \t]*$ -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 25 17:10:46 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:10:46 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list passwords In-Reply-To: <41F5F85A.9040907@afrinic.org> Message-ID: Ernest Byaruhanga wrote: > >i have a small problem with passwords - when i change a list >administrator's password from the web interface, both the old password >that i use when creating the list and the new password will still work >when i try to login to th list as admin. There is only one admin passwored and one moderator password stored per list. Perhaps the old password you refer to is actually the site password which will work for all lists. See bin/mmsitepass --help -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From johnny at temporalwave.com Tue Jan 25 17:13:54 2005 From: johnny at temporalwave.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johnny_Dahl=E9n?=) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:13:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface not working In-Reply-To: References: <41F6167E.5090602@temporalwave.com> Message-ID: <41F67042.603@temporalwave.com> Brad Knowles wrote: >At 10:50 AM +0100 2005-01-25, Johnny Dahl?n wrote: > > > >> I have set up mailman on gentoo Linux and can't get the web interface >> working. The cgi-scripts are running as reading information works ok, >> ie I can log in, list subscribers, view all settings. But update >> doesn't work. I change a setting, press submit, but the change doesn't >> show. I can see no messenges in any of the logs as to what went wrong. >> >> > > Did you search the FAQ Wizard at >? > > If so, you should have turned up entries at > >and > >that may be related to your question. > > > I did read the FAQ, but somehow managed to miss those entries. I was bit by the redirect problem. Thanks for the pointers! From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 25 17:24:36 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:24:36 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange bounce messages - why is it allowed throughand how do I find out? In-Reply-To: <1106608136.2791.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Lars Bungum wrote: >I'm running a list of about 500 people, and have encountered a strange >problem lately, namely that bounce messages from an address > >"dummy at not.exist" are being sent to the list. The subject is like this: > >Autoreply: {digest-subject} > >and body like this: >"This email adress do not exist" > >so it appears to be bouncing the digest. The address does not exist, >and obviously is not a subscribed to the list. And the posting policy >is subscribers only. A lot of messages are being held for moderation >because the posters are not members (spam). Still this one comes >through. > >In the mailman/logs/post log file it just says that dummy at not.exist >posted to the list at this or that time. > >I'm both bewildered and estranged - what is this? And how do I find out >why it is allowed to post to the list? Here's a possible scenario: A digest is sent to a subscribed address that is no longer valid. The receiving MTA is broken and sends a "bounce" message to the Reply-To: address of the digest (instead of the envelope sender, Sender: or Errors-To: address) which is the list. Either the envelope sender or some header you use in validating the poster contains the address the digest was sent to, so the post is allowed. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 25 17:40:40 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:40:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Erin Dalzell wrote: >I am running Mailman 2.1.5 on Mac OS X 10.3.7. I have two questions: >1) what owner/group should the files in my mailman directory be? Group is the important one. It should be the group your mailman ID is in and not the group your web server runs as. If you're running Apple's Mailman installation, this list may not be able to help you much. >2) why isn't my mm_cfg.py file being read? I have an add_virtualhost in >there, but it is never picked up. After making changes, I run, fix_url >and restart mailcntrl. But only the changes I make in Default.py are >picked up. If you're changing things rather than just adding, try putting VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() ahead of your mm_cfg.py entries. See >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py articles 1.21, 4.21, 4.29 and 4.53 -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 25 17:51:07 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:51:07 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie permission problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Julie S. Lin wrote: > >Just installed mailman, command line works beautifully >however when I try to use the web interface to create a list >i get Error: You are not authorized to create new mailing lists There is only one way that message is issued and that is when the password entered in the "List creator's (authentication) password:" field at the bottom of the form does not match either the site password or the list creator password as set by bin/mmsitepass. If you are providing one of these two passwords and still get the error, then I don't know why. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From glen.low at pixelglow.com Tue Jan 25 18:10:12 2005 From: glen.low at pixelglow.com (Glen Low) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:10:12 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fetchmail? + mailmain + SMTP on different servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 14/01/2005, at 12:40 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > If the MTA runs elsewhere and you can retrieve the incoming mail with > fetchmail and run it through procmail, you can use procmail to pipe it > to the wrapper appropriately. > If I understand the process properly (after doing the appropriate research), why would I need a procmail step at all? I set up my fetchmail to poll a POP3 server for incoming mail to LISTNAME-admin, LISTNAME-bounces etc. Each fetchmail rc line has mda set directly to mailman, avoiding the procmail step entirely -- am I missing something? e.g. poll something.com with protocol pop3 username "LISTNAME" there with password "XXX" is "mailman" here mda "sudo -u mailman /usr/share/mailman post LISTNAME" Cheers, Glen Low --- pixelglow software | simply brilliant stuff www.pixelglow.com From john at calvoter.org Tue Jan 25 18:26:37 2005 From: john at calvoter.org (John T. Jones) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:26:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] make global change to list template? Message-ID: <44771D0C-6EF6-11D9-80DB-000393D2F220@calvoter.org> Hi All, Newbie question Is there a way to make a global edit to the list signature (the part I want to edit comes at the very end of each message, the part about getting a password reminder, unsubscribing, etc.)? I've taken over the management of several list and I'd like to change the email address to mine -- on all the list. I have looked in the templates directory and the administrative interface but I don't see a way to change the email address. Thanks in advance. --John From carsten at chatlabel.de Tue Jan 25 18:32:49 2005 From: carsten at chatlabel.de (Carsten Henkel) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:32:49 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman dont send messages Message-ID: <1548199359.20050125183249@chatlabel.de> Guten Abend mailman-users, im using suse 9.1 with mailman 2.1.4. mailman has a problem with sending mails: Jan 25 18:24:25 2005 (31930) delivery to radio at chatlabel.de failed with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known') did you have any idea ? the adress radio at chatlabel.de is aktiv. i can send mails to it. thanks and have a nice day mm_cfg.py: from Defaults import * #DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'chatlabel.de' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'chatlabel.de' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.chatlabel.de' DEFAULT_URL = 'http://lists.chatlabel.de/mailman/' MTA = 'Postfix' POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias' POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap' DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' SMTPHOST = 'chatlabel.de' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) IMAGE_LOGOS = '/mailmanicons/' DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'de' SMTPPORT = 10025 add_virtualhost('lists.chatlabel.de', 'lists.chatlabel.de') -- Mit freundlichen Gr?ssen Carsten Henkel mailto:carsten at chatlabel.de Wer in das Feuer bl?st, dem fliegen leicht die Funken in die Augen. dieser Text ist zuf?llig gew?hlt und hat nichts mit dem Empf?nger der e-Mail zu tun. Carsten Henkel Passauer Stra?e 7 94577 Winzer tel.: 0049 (0)180-3684398-360 fax.: 0049 (0)180-3684398-039 http://chatlabel.de http://radio.chatlabel.de From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 25 18:44:38 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:44:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fetchmail? + mailmain + SMTP on different servers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Glen Low wrote: >> >If I understand the process properly (after doing the appropriate >research), why would I need a procmail step at all? > >I set up my fetchmail to poll a POP3 server for incoming mail to >LISTNAME-admin, LISTNAME-bounces etc. Each fetchmail rc line has mda >set directly to mailman, avoiding the procmail step entirely -- am I >missing something? > >e.g. > >poll something.com with protocol pop3 username "LISTNAME" there with >password "XXX" is "mailman" here mda "sudo -u mailman >/usr/share/mailman post LISTNAME" It seems you don't need the procmail step. I'm not fetchmail literate so when you mentioned procmail, I knew that would work. But as you describe it, as long as you can get each listname-* address separately with fetchmail and pipe it to the appropriate command, that's all you need. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 25 19:00:19 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:00:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] make global change to list template? In-Reply-To: <44771D0C-6EF6-11D9-80DB-000393D2F220@calvoter.org> Message-ID: John T. Jones wrote: > >Is there a way to make a global edit to the list signature (the part I >want to edit comes at the very end of each message, the part about >getting a password reminder, unsubscribing, etc.)? I've taken over the >management of several list and I'd like to change the email address to >mine -- on all the list. I have looked in the templates directory and >the administrative interface but I don't see a way to change the email >address. If what you are talking about is the stuff that looks like this >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ on posts from this list, it's in the administrative interface. It is msg_footer and digest_footer found respectively on the admin Non-digest options and Digest options pages. It might be preferable to put -owner at ... or maybe -owner at ... (where and are the actual names) or maybe %(list_name)s-owner@%(host_name)s instead of your own e-mail address. That way, when changes are made to owner or moderator, the new addresses will get the mail without changing the footer again. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 25 19:02:20 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:02:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman dont send messages In-Reply-To: <1548199359.20050125183249@chatlabel.de> Message-ID: Carsten Henkel wrote: > >im using suse 9.1 with mailman 2.1.4. mailman has a problem with >sending mails: >Jan 25 18:24:25 2005 (31930) delivery to radio at chatlabel.de failed with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known') See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.014.htp -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From glen.low at pixelglow.com Tue Jan 25 19:02:10 2005 From: glen.low at pixelglow.com (Glen Low) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:02:10 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fetchmail? + mailmain + SMTP on different servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C2DAE98-6EFB-11D9-A360-000D9337BC48@pixelglow.com> On 26/01/2005, at 1:44 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Glen Low wrote: >>> >> If I understand the process properly (after doing the appropriate >> research), why would I need a procmail step at all? >> >> I set up my fetchmail to poll a POP3 server for incoming mail to >> LISTNAME-admin, LISTNAME-bounces etc. Each fetchmail rc line has mda >> set directly to mailman, avoiding the procmail step entirely -- am I >> missing something? >> >> e.g. >> >> poll something.com with protocol pop3 username "LISTNAME" there with >> password "XXX" is "mailman" here mda "sudo -u mailman >> /usr/share/mailman post LISTNAME" > > It seems you don't need the procmail step. I'm not fetchmail literate > so when you mentioned procmail, I knew that would work. But as you > describe it, as long as you can get each listname-* address separately > with fetchmail and pipe it to the appropriate command, that's all you > need. OK, neither am I, just spent several hours grappling with fetchmail and procmail. FYI (and the list's), the fetchmail recipe is poll something.com with protocol pop3 username "LISTNAME" there with password "XXX" is "mailman" here mda "/usr/share/mailman post LISTNAME" etc. -- the sudo was incorrect since the fetchmail should have been run under mailman user anyway. Then in mm_cfg.py set the SMTPHOST to whatever the outgoing mail server is. With this setup I can run Mailman on my own private server (which may not be up 100%) and still get and send mail from my main public servers. The only thing that seems to need to be public is the web pages and CGI... Cheers, Glen Low --- pixelglow software | simply brilliant stuff www.pixelglow.com From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 25 19:31:39 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:31:39 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list passwords In-Reply-To: <41F68551.5010701@afrinic.org> Message-ID: Ernest Byaruhanga > >when i use ./mmsitepass -c, i create a new list creator password >succesffully, and i can log into the list admin site with it. however, >even the old list-creator password is still able to be used to log in to >the list admin interface. is there somefile where these passwords are >stored so i can delete them from there? There are several passwords. List Creator, set by mmsitepass -c, authorizes list creation only. Shouldn't authorize list administration. Encrypted value stored in the file mm_cfg.LISTCREATOR_PW_FILE which defaults to data/creator.pw Site Password, set by mmsitepass (no -c option), authorizes any and everything. Encrypted value stored in the file mm_cfg.SITE_PW_FILE which defaults to data/adm.pw List administrator. Set per list through list admin, bin/change_pw, etc., authorizes administration of the one list that it is for. Encrypted value stored with other list data in lists//config.pck List moderator. Set per list through list admin, etc., authorizes moderation only of the one list that it is for. Encrypted value stored with other list data in lists//config.pck -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From stephen at texasdrivermagazine.com Tue Jan 25 20:19:41 2005 From: stephen at texasdrivermagazine.com (Stephen Edmondson) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:19:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to generate user list? Message-ID: <105533BD-6F06-11D9-8407-000D93394F94@texasdrivermagazine.com> I have my mailing list setup in announce-only mode and have had trouble pulling a list of all of the users. Via the FAQ, I've sent out requests to the mailman-request address and only received this back: " The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Results: Usage: who See everyone who is on this mailing list. - Done." I've had the same results when I've changed the privacy options for who can view the list. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I didn't expect it to be this hard to generate a roster list! Thanks. __ Stephen From carsten at chatlabel.de Tue Jan 25 20:29:41 2005 From: carsten at chatlabel.de (Carsten Henkel) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:29:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman dont send messages In-Reply-To: References: <1548199359.20050125183249@chatlabel.de> Message-ID: <1584463178.20050125202941@chatlabel.de> Guten Abend Mark Sapiro, Am Dienstag, 25. Januar 2005 um 19:02 schrieben Sie: MS> Carsten Henkel wrote: MS> See MS> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.014.htp thank you, it works. have a nice day -- Mit freundlichen Gr?ssen Carsten Henkel mailto:carsten at chatlabel.de Menschen mit einer neuen Idee gelten so lange als Spinner, bis sich die Sache durchgesetzt hat. (Mark Twain) dieser Text ist zuf?llig gew?hlt und hat nichts mit dem Empf?nger der e-Mail zu tun. Carsten Henkel Passauer Stra?e 7 94577 Winzer tel.: 0049 (0)180-3684398-360 fax.: 0049 (0)180-3684398-039 http://chatlabel.de http://radio.chatlabel.de From sirjallen at gmail.com Tue Jan 25 20:31:28 2005 From: sirjallen at gmail.com (Tim Smith) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:31:28 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with SUSE Linux 9.1 YOU upgrade from 2.1.3 Mailman to 2.1.4 Mailman. Message-ID: <6f72ead05012511312eb3c035@mail.gmail.com> [NOTE: This is a "I did it!" story.. the fix is at the bottom of this post :) ) Just wanted to make a report here about some problems I had upgrading Mailman from 2.1.3 to 2.1.4 using Yast Online Update (YOU) in Suse 9.1 AMD64. It broke my web-based GUI, and spit this error into my apache error logs: [Tue Jan 25 12:43:57 2005] [error] [client IPADDR] @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ [Tue Jan 25 12:43:57 2005] [error] [client IPADDR] [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.4 -----] [Tue Jan 25 12:43:57 2005] [error] [client IPADDR [----- Traceback ------] [Tue Jan 25 12:43:57 2005] [error] [client IPADDR] Traceback (most recent call last): [Tue Jan 25 12:43:57 2005] [error] [client IPADDR] File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 241, in ? [Tue Jan 25 12:43:57 2005] [error] [client IPADDR] run_main() [Tue Jan 25 12:43:57 2005] [error] [client IPADDR] File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 69, in run_main [Tue Jan 25 12:43:57 2005] [error] [client IPADDR] import xml.sax.saxutils [Tue Jan 25 12:43:57 2005] [error] [client IPADDR] ImportError: No module named xml.sax.saxutils [Tue Jan 25 12:43:57 2005] [error] [client IPADDR] [Mailman: low level unrecoverable exception] And the output of the Web browser going to the mailman location gives this error: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Content-type: text/html We're sorry, we hit a bug! Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a useful traceback for you. Please report this to the Mailman administrator at this site. --------------------------------------------------------------------- So, I googled around, and found that this error is very common in 2.1.4 version. Just google for "Mailman Low level failure" and you'll get a lot of web pages like the one I just pasted, all for 2.1.4. I got some help from Don Burns from this list, he told me all I need to do is install python-xml. (Thanks Don!!) So, I used the trusty YAST and searched for python-xml and installed it. Wham-Bam, it works. I guess 2.1.4 version expects python-xml as a depends, whereas the earlier versions didn't care about that. I wanted to document this so maybe it''ll come up quicker for some poor sucker like myself googling around for this answer :) Cheers, Tim Smith From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 25 20:46:48 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:46:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to generate user list? In-Reply-To: <105533BD-6F06-11D9-8407-000D93394F94@texasdrivermagazine.com> Message-ID: Stephen Edmondson wrote: >I have my mailing list setup in announce-only mode and have had trouble >pulling a list of all of the users. Via the FAQ, I've sent out requests >to the mailman-request address and only received this back: > >" >The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your >original message. > >- Results: > Usage: > > who > See everyone who is on this mailing list. > > >- Done." The particular Usage: message above indicates the list is available to anyone and you have given an invalid "who" command. I.e. your who command contained a password, an address= field or other text, none of which are allowed if the list is available to anyone. On the other hand, if the list is available only to administrators, password is required and must be the list admin or moderator password. If the list is available only to members, password is required and must be the member password and this is the only case where address=

is allowed and if used, must be the address of a member whose password is supplied. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From eric at 101sites.com Tue Jan 25 20:58:36 2005 From: eric at 101sites.com (Eric Elder) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:58:36 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't delete user with "quotes" around name Message-ID: <7FC93252-6F0B-11D9-9514-000A95F0DD46@101sites.com> I'm trying to delete a user using the web interface that has been accidentally signed up with quotes around their name like this: "username"@domain.com I can't change anything about this user...can't change their mod bit, hide bit or any other attribute either. Is there another way to delete their name from the system? Eric From michaelw at caltech.edu Tue Jan 25 21:01:41 2005 From: michaelw at caltech.edu (Michael Wollschleager) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:01:41 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't delete user with "quotes" around name In-Reply-To: <7FC93252-6F0B-11D9-9514-000A95F0DD46@101sites.com> References: <7FC93252-6F0B-11D9-9514-000A95F0DD46@101sites.com> Message-ID: Do you have access to the command-line tools? If so, when I encounter this, I do a list_members on the list, dumping it to a file. Then I edit the file to remove the user, then use sync_members to get things to a manageable state. Mike On Jan 25, 2005, at 11:58 AM, Eric Elder wrote: > I'm trying to delete a user using the web interface that has been > accidentally signed up with quotes around their name like this: > "username"@domain.com > > I can't change anything about this user...can't change their mod bit, > hide bit or any other attribute either. > > Is there another way to delete their name from the system? > > Eric > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 25 21:03:32 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:03:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with SUSE Linux 9.1 YOU upgrade from 2.1.3Mailman to 2.1.4 Mailman. In-Reply-To: <6f72ead05012511312eb3c035@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Tim Smith wrote: > >Just wanted to make a report here about some problems I had upgrading >Mailman from 2.1.3 to 2.1.4 using Yast Online Update (YOU) in Suse 9.1 >AMD64. > > >I got some help from Don Burns from this list, he told me all I need >to do is install python-xml. (Thanks Don!!) > >So, I used the trusty YAST and searched for python-xml and installed it. > >Wham-Bam, it works. > >I guess 2.1.4 version expects python-xml as a depends, whereas the >earlier versions didn't care about that. Actually, this problem does not occur in base Mailman 2.1.4. It is caused by a patch which is apparently being distributed by SuSE which uses an HTML escape routine from the Python xml library which for some reason is not installed by default on SuSE. A modified version of this patch which uses the Mailman Utils.websafe() method has been incorporated in source in Mailman 2.1.6b1. Someone might want to ask SuSE why they are distributing and installing this patch without checking the required dependency. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 25 21:18:58 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:18:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't delete user with "quotes" around name In-Reply-To: <7FC93252-6F0B-11D9-9514-000A95F0DD46@101sites.com> Message-ID: Eric Elder wrote: >I'm trying to delete a user using the web interface that has been >accidentally signed up with quotes around their name like this: >"username"@domain.com > >I can't change anything about this user...can't change their mod bit, >hide bit or any other attribute either. > >Is there another way to delete their name from the system? See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.013.htp -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From sirjallen at gmail.com Tue Jan 25 21:33:23 2005 From: sirjallen at gmail.com (Tim Smith) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:33:23 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with SUSE Linux 9.1 YOU upgrade from 2.1.3Mailman to 2.1.4 Mailman. In-Reply-To: References: <6f72ead05012511312eb3c035@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f72ead050125123351394c05@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:03:32 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Someone might want to ask SuSE why they are distributing and installing > this patch without checking the required dependency. That is ultimately my question, too. :) I'll try to drop a line on the SuSE lists. From chris.a.adams at state.or.us Tue Jan 25 22:06:33 2005 From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:06:33 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] use of Python strings in template files Message-ID: <41F6B4D9.4030704@state.or.us> I have posted this question to the list before, but have never resolved it. I am looking at the files in the template directory, specifically newlist.txt and verify.txt. The newlist file is the information sent to list owners when the list is set up. The verify file is the information sent to confirm an email address when a person subscribes to a list that requires confirmation. I want to make some changes to this information, which affects all lists. I can make some changes, but some don't seem to work. The most significant is the Python strings that parse information into links, specifically %(listinfo_url)s and %(emailaddr)s . If I insert %(emailaddr)s into the newlist.txt file, when I generate a new list, the exact text %(emailaddr)s shows in the message and it doesn't render it as newlist at wherever.com. If I insert into the verify.txt file, I get the same result. My confusion comes in when I see that these strings are used successfully in other template files. What gives? Is there something contextual about the use of these strings that makes them unuseable in other templates? -- Christopher Adams From erin at thedalzells.org Tue Jan 25 22:55:58 2005 From: erin at thedalzells.org (Erin Dalzell) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:55:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F6C06E.8000201@thedalzells.org> > If you're changing things rather than just adding, try putting > VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() ahead of your mm_cfg.py entries. That was the first thing I tried. Just to make sure this isn't something weird. I am seeing this on the site wide mailing list mailman. I haven't tried other mailing lists yet. Thanks emd From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 25 23:10:05 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:10:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] use of Python strings in template files In-Reply-To: <41F6B4D9.4030704@state.or.us> Message-ID: Christopher Adams wrote: >I have posted this question to the list before, but have never resolved it. > >I am looking at the files in the template directory, specifically >newlist.txt and verify.txt. The newlist file is the information sent to >list owners when the list is set up. The verify file is the information >sent to confirm an email address when a person subscribes to a list that >requires confirmation. > >I want to make some changes to this information, which affects all >lists. I can make some changes, but some don't seem to work. The most >significant is the Python strings that parse information into links, >specifically %(listinfo_url)s and %(emailaddr)s . If I insert >%(emailaddr)s into the newlist.txt file, when I generate a new list, >the exact text %(emailaddr)s shows in the message and it doesn't render >it as newlist at wherever.com. If I insert into the verify.txt file, I get >the same result. My confusion comes in when I see that these strings are >used successfully in other template files. > >What gives? Is there something contextual about the use of these strings >that makes them unuseable in other templates? Yes there is. The interpolation is done in Utils.py by findtext() which in most cases is called via maketext(). The caller to these routines specifies a template and a dictionary to be used for interpolations into that template. Thus each template has its own dictionary. For example, if you 'cd' to your mailman installation and do grep -r verify\.txt * you'll find the only code references to verify.txt are in MailList.py. These in turn are in adding a new member where confirmation is required text = Utils.maketext( 'verify.txt', {'email' : email, 'listaddr' : self.GetListEmail(), 'listname' : realname, 'cookie' : cookie, 'requestaddr' : self.GetRequestEmail(), 'remote' : remote, 'listadmin' : self.GetOwnerEmail(), 'confirmurl' : confirmurl, }, lang=lang, mlist=self) and in changing a member address text = Utils.maketext( 'verify.txt', {'email' : newaddr, 'listaddr' : self.GetListEmail(), 'listname' : realname, 'cookie' : cookie, 'requestaddr': self.GetRequestEmail(), 'remote' : '', 'listadmin' : self.GetOwnerEmail(), 'confirmurl' : confirmurl, }, lang=lang, mlist=self) Thus, unless you add items to the dictionary in these calls, the only items that will be interpolated in the verify.txt template are 'email', 'listaddr', 'listname', 'cookie', 'requestaddr', 'remote', 'listadmin' and 'confirmurl'. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Tue Jan 25 23:33:01 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:33:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two questions In-Reply-To: <41F6C06E.8000201@thedalzells.org> Message-ID: Erin Dalzell wrote: >> If you're changing things rather than just adding, try putting >> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() ahead of your mm_cfg.py entries. > >That was the first thing I tried. Just to make sure this isn't something >weird. I am seeing this on the site wide mailing list mailman. I haven't >tried other mailing lists yet. It's hard to say what might be happening without knowing what exactly you're doing in mm_cfg.py, but some things which are set in Defaults.py are also used in Defaults.py. Thus simply changing the setting in mm_cfg.py isn't enough, you also have to redo (maybe after undoing) the usage. The most obvious example is DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST. These are set in Defaults.py and then used in Defaults.py in add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) Thus if either or both is changed in mm_cfg.py, the add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) must be repeated after the change, or to be completely sure, clear the existing entries and then re-add as in VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) If you're still having problems, please provide the contents of your mm_cfg.py and a description of the actual problem behavior. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From chris.a.adams at state.or.us Wed Jan 26 00:50:41 2005 From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:50:41 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] use of Python strings in template files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F6DB51.50806@state.or.us> Mark, Thank you for your timely reply. I sort of understand what you are saying. I edited MailList.py to look like this: 'verify.txt', {'email' : newaddr, 'listaddr' : self.GetListEmail(), 'listname' : realname, 'cookie' : cookie, 'requestaddr': self.GetRequestEmail(), 'remote' : '', 'listadmin' : self.GetOwnerEmail(), 'listinfo_url : listinfo_url, 'confirmurl' : confirmurl, }, lang=lang, mlist=self) I then restarted Mailman. When I tried to subscribe to a list that required confirmation, I got this: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/lists/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/lists/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 96, in main process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata, language) File "/lists/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 176, in process_form mlist.AddMember(userdesc, remote) File "/lists/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in AddMember {'email' : email, NameError: global name 'listinfo_url' is not defined So, I removed the listinfo_url entry and it is back to normal. Any idea what happened? Mark Sapiro wrote: >Christopher Adams wrote: > > > >>I have posted this question to the list before, but have never resolved it. >> >>I am looking at the files in the template directory, specifically >>newlist.txt and verify.txt. The newlist file is the information sent to >>list owners when the list is set up. The verify file is the information >>sent to confirm an email address when a person subscribes to a list that >>requires confirmation. >> >>I want to make some changes to this information, which affects all >>lists. I can make some changes, but some don't seem to work. The most >>significant is the Python strings that parse information into links, >>specifically %(listinfo_url)s and %(emailaddr)s . If I insert >>%(emailaddr)s into the newlist.txt file, when I generate a new list, >>the exact text %(emailaddr)s shows in the message and it doesn't render >>it as newlist at wherever.com. If I insert into the verify.txt file, I get >>the same result. My confusion comes in when I see that these strings are >>used successfully in other template files. >> >>What gives? Is there something contextual about the use of these strings >>that makes them unuseable in other templates? >> >> > >Yes there is. The interpolation is done in Utils.py by findtext() which >in most cases is called via maketext(). The caller to these routines >specifies a template and a dictionary to be used for interpolations >into that template. Thus each template has its own dictionary. > >For example, if you 'cd' to your mailman installation and do > >grep -r verify\.txt * > >you'll find the only code references to verify.txt are in MailList.py. >These in turn are in adding a new member where confirmation is required > > text = Utils.maketext( > 'verify.txt', > {'email' : email, > 'listaddr' : self.GetListEmail(), > 'listname' : realname, > 'cookie' : cookie, > 'requestaddr' : self.GetRequestEmail(), > 'remote' : remote, > 'listadmin' : self.GetOwnerEmail(), > 'confirmurl' : confirmurl, > }, lang=lang, mlist=self) > >and in changing a member address > > text = Utils.maketext( > 'verify.txt', > {'email' : newaddr, > 'listaddr' : self.GetListEmail(), > 'listname' : realname, > 'cookie' : cookie, > 'requestaddr': self.GetRequestEmail(), > 'remote' : '', > 'listadmin' : self.GetOwnerEmail(), > 'confirmurl' : confirmurl, > }, lang=lang, mlist=self) > >Thus, unless you add items to the dictionary in these calls, the only >items that will be interpolated in the verify.txt template are >'email', 'listaddr', 'listname', 'cookie', 'requestaddr', 'remote', >'listadmin' and 'confirmurl'. > >-- >Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > > -- Christopher Adams Library Systems Analyst Oregon State Library 503-378-4243 258 chris.a.adams at state.or.us From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 26 01:37:18 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:37:18 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] use of Python strings in template files In-Reply-To: <41F6DB51.50806@state.or.us> Message-ID: Christopher Adams wrote: > >Thank you for your timely reply. I sort of understand what you are >saying. I edited MailList.py to look like this: > >'verify.txt', > {'email' : newaddr, > 'listaddr' : self.GetListEmail(), > 'listname' : realname, > 'cookie' : cookie, > 'requestaddr': self.GetRequestEmail(), > 'remote' : '', > 'listadmin' : self.GetOwnerEmail(), > 'listinfo_url : listinfo_url, > 'confirmurl' : confirmurl, > }, lang=lang, mlist=self) > > >I then restarted Mailman. > >When I tried to subscribe to a list that required confirmation, I got this: > >Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 >We're sorry, we hit a bug! There are two things wrong with what you have above. Assuming it's not a typo, there is a missing single-quote - i.e. 'listinfo_url : listinfo_url, should be 'listinfo_url' : listinfo_url, But there is a more serious problem in that while 'listinfo_url' is basically an arbitrary key, the entity to the right of the : must evaluate to something. In this case, listinfo_url would be a variable that has no definition within MailList.py. What you need is something like 'listinfo_url' : self.getScriptUrl('listinfo', absolute=1), or you could define the variable listinfo_url first as in listinfo_url = self.getScriptUrl('listinfo', absolute=1) text = Utils.maketext( 'verify.txt', {'email' : newaddr, 'listaddr' : self.GetListEmail(), 'listname' : realname, 'cookie' : cookie, 'requestaddr': self.GetRequestEmail(), 'remote' : '', 'listadmin' : self.GetOwnerEmail(), 'listinfo_url' : listinfo_url, 'confirmurl' : confirmurl, }, lang=lang, mlist=self) Note that the exact way to actually get the URL depends on the fact that we are doing this within the definitions of the MailList class. Elswhere we might need something like mlist.getScriptUrl() instead of self.getScriptUrl(). Also note that there are two invocations of Utils.maketext('verify.txt', ...) in MailList.py and the one that has 'email' : newaddr, and 'remote' : '', is the one for verifying an address change. The one for verifying a new subscription is closer to the beginning. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From tracey at fairhousing.com Wed Jan 26 05:40:15 2005 From: tracey at fairhousing.com (Tracey McCartney) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:40:15 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list failing intermittently Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20050125222844.040d3f50@getmail.mccartney.net> Hi: Newbie to this list, but I've been using Mailman for a couple of years now. I have NEVER had any trouble with it and recommend it to everyone who asks. I have several Mailman lists running on a Cpanel hosting service (Total Choice Hosting - good company). Today, or perhaps starting yesterday, messages to one of my lists simply stopped, for the most part, going through. Occasionally throughout the day one has made it through, but it might be the third attempt to send the message. In other words, it's an intermittent issue, with it mostly NOT working. I *think* but am not sure that some subscribers are getting some of the mails. But others most certainly are not, including myself. I have two addresses subscribed and am not getting most of the messages at either address. Until tonight, I didn't keep archives, but I started one for testing purposes. At least one of the messages I sent to the list made it into the archive but never made it back to me. The techs at my hosting service are good but may not know all the subtleties of this program. Can any of you suggest things we should be looking at? Do I have access to any logs? Thanks, Tracey -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 1/25/2005 From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 26 05:48:32 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:48:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list failing intermittently In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20050125222844.040d3f50@getmail.mccartney.net> Message-ID: Tracey McCartney wrote: > >I have several Mailman lists running on a Cpanel hosting service (Total Choice Hosting - good company). Today, or perhaps starting yesterday, messages to one of my lists simply stopped, for the most part, going through. Occasionally throughout the day one has made it through, but it might be the third attempt to send the message. In other words, it's an intermittent issue, with it mostly NOT working. > See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 26 05:59:34 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:59:34 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list failing intermittently In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20050125222844.040d3f50@getmail.mccartney.net> Message-ID: Tracey McCartney wrote: > >The techs at my hosting service are good but may not know all the subtleties of this program. Can any of you suggest things we should be looking at? Do I have access to any logs? > Standard Mailman keeps several logs. Among these are 'post', 'error', 'smtp' and 'smtp-failure'. There are probably also logs kept by the MTA. I don't know where any of these would be in a cPanel installation or how you would access them. There are also several queues which are normally in the qfiles/ directory in the Mailman installation directory and qrunner processes to process the queues and a qrunner log which logs the starting and stopping of the qrunners. If not all the qrunners were running, the problem wouldn't be intermittent, but there could be a bad message in one of the queues which is inhibiting processing. If this were the case, I'd expect to see something in the error log. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From psk at informatik.rwth-aachen.de Wed Jan 26 06:07:42 2005 From: psk at informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Peter Schneider-Kamp) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 06:07:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella lists and avoiding duplicates Message-ID: <41F7259E.4020506@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi! Is there nowadays a good way of avoiding dupes, i.e., multiple posts of the essentially same message to one list? Also, I would like to have some umbrella lists. I have found an old thread in the archives (from April 2001) which proposes syncing the user lists of the umbrella list with the members of the sub-lists. Is this still state of the art or is there a better solution? Kind regards, Peter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB9yWe3VbrCXkKHhwRAqSnAJ0VrdiER/7mxwJl4gmZVZtCK4GYOwCgrCWL yGZbSu/sHN3zA+CehGWZzJg= =z68N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Wed Jan 26 06:14:13 2005 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:14:13 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6 beta 2 released Message-ID: <41F72725.1040604@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, I put together a tarball for Mailman 2.1.6 beta 2 and placed on my Japanese Mailman site at: http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.6b2.tgz This is the second beta release of 2.1.6 which are roughly scheduled to be released by the end of February. Please grab it from above site and upgrade your mailman. Change from 2.1.6b1 are mainly subject prefix problems for Mutt (and other?) users and translation catalog template (pot) also. Here is excerpt from NEWS file: 2.1.6 (XX-XXX-200X) - Most of the installation instructions have been moved to a latex document. See admin/www/mailman-install/index.html for details. - VERP_PROBES is disabled by default. - bin/withlist can be run without a list name, but only if -i is given. Also, withlist puts the directory it's found in at the end of sys.path, making it easier to run withlist scripts that live in $prefix/bin. - bin/newlist grew two new options: -u/--urlhost and -e/--emailhost which lets the user provide the web and email hostnames for the new mailing list. This is a better way to specify the domain for the list, rather than the old 'mylist at hostname' syntax (which is still supported for backward compatibility, but deprecated). - Added the ability for Mailman generated passwords (both member and list admin) to be more cryptographically secure. See new configuration variables USER_FRIENDLY_PASSWORDS, MEMBER_PASSWORD_LENGTH, and ADMIN_PASSWORD_LENGTH. Also added a new bin/withlist script called reset_pw.py which can be used to reset all member passwords. Passwords generated by Mailman are now 8 characters by default for members, and 10 characters for list administrators. - Allow editing of the welcome message from the admin page (1085501). - A potential cross-site scripting hole in the driver script has been closed. Thanks to Florian Weimer for its discovery. Also, turn STEALTH_MODE on by default. - Chinese languages moved from 'big5' and 'gb' to 'zh_TW' and 'zh_CN' respectively for compliance to the IANA spec. Note that neither language is supported yet. - Python 2.4 compatibility issue: time.strftime() became strict about the 'day of year' range. (1078482) - New feature: automatic discards of held messages. List owners can now set how many days to hold the messages in the moderator request queue. cron/checkdb will automatically discard old messages. (790494) - Improved mail address sanity check. (1030228) - SpamDetect.py now checks attachment header. (1026977) - New feature: subject_prefix can be configured to include a sequence number which is taken from the post_id variable. Also, the prefix is always put at the start of the subject, i.e. "[list-name] Re: original subject", if mm_cfg.OLD_STYLE_PREFIXING is set No. The default style is "Re: [list-name]" if numbering is not set, for backward compatibility. If the list owner is using numbering feature by "%d" directive, the new style, "[list-name 123] Re:", is always used. - List owners can now use Scrubber to get the attachments scrubbed (held in the web archive), if the site admin permits it in mm_cfg.py. New variables introduced are SCRUBBER_DONT_USE_ATTACHMENT_FILENAME and SCRUBBER_USE_ATTACHMENT_FILENAME_EXTENSION in Defaults.py for scrubber behavior. (904850) - Filter attachments by filename extensions. (1027882) - Bugs and patches: 955381 (older Python compatibility), 1020102/1013079/ 1020013 (fix spam filter removed), 665569 (newer Postfix bounce detection), 970383 (moderator -1 admin requests pending), 873035 (subject handling in -request mail), 799166/946554 (makefile compatibility), 872068 (add header/footer via unicode), 1032434 (KNOWN_SPAMMERS check for multi-header), 1025372 (empty Cc:), 789015 (fix pipermail URL), 948152 (Out of date link on Docs), 1099138 (Scrubber.py breaks on None part), 1099840/1099840 (deprecated % insertion), 880073/933762 (List-ID RFC compliance), 1090439 (passwd reminder shunted), -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 26 06:39:09 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:39:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella lists and avoiding duplicates In-Reply-To: <41F7259E.4020506@informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Message-ID: Peter Schneider-Kamp wrote: > >Is there nowadays a good way of avoiding dupes, i.e., multiple posts of >the essentially same message to one list? Not that I know of. >Also, I would like to have some umbrella lists. I have found an >old thread in the archives (from April 2001) which proposes >syncing the user lists of the umbrella list with the members >of the sub-lists. > >Is this still state of the art or is there a better solution? This is pretty much it for Mailman if you want to avoid dups for those who are members of more than 1 sub list. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.005.htp for a couple of scripts that are a little more recent than 2001. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From carsten at chatlabel.de Wed Jan 26 08:42:28 2005 From: carsten at chatlabel.de (Carsten Henkel) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:42:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 on lists.chatlabel.de/mailman Message-ID: <239369141.20050126084228@chatlabel.de> i become this error page on the webinterface: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Content-type: text/html We're sorry, we hit a bug! Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a useful traceback for you. Please report this to the Mailman administrator at this site. but i have no idea why that is. have you any idea ? thanks -- Mit freundlichen Gr?ssen Carsten Henkel mailto:carsten at chatlabel.de Es ist sinnlos zu sagen: Wir tun unser Bestes. Es mu? dir gelingen, das zu tun, was erforderlich ist. (Winston Churchill) dieser Text ist zuf?llig gew?hlt und hat nichts mit dem Empf?nger der e-Mail zu tun. Carsten Henkel Passauer Stra?e 7 94577 Winzer tel.: 0049 (0)180-3684398-360 fax.: 0049 (0)180-3684398-039 http://chatlabel.de http://radio.chatlabel.de From mailman-users at eljee.nl Wed Jan 26 12:48:04 2005 From: mailman-users at eljee.nl (Eljee) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:48:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] maiman with postfix Message-ID: <41F78374.6010102@eljee.nl> Hi All, I got a configuration problem. I try to get postfix to work nicely with mailman with virtual domains. For some strange reason are the mailmanlists under my 'mydomain' of 'myhostnam' working as it should but the mailmanlists under my virtual domains are not working. For example list-1-subscribe at anotherdomain.com will not be processed by mailman but just delivered at validuser at anotherdomain.com. /var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman contains the line: list-1-subscribe at anotherdomain.com list-1-subscribe and /var/mailman/data/aliases contains the line: list-1-subscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe list-1" the two files are owned by mailman (also the group) Anyone any idea?? Regards, LJ This is my setup: [root at lj postfix]# postconf -n alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases alias_maps = hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases, hash:/etc/postfix/aliases command_directory = /usr/sbin command_time_limit = 5000s config_directory = /etc/postfix daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix debug_peer_level = 2 inet_interfaces = all mail_owner = postfix mail_spool_directory = /var/spool/mail mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail mailbox_transport = cyrus mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq.postfix manpage_directory = /usr/share/man mydestination = /etc/postfix/local-host-names $myhostname localhost.$mydomain $mydomain mydomain = eljee.com myhostname = eljee.com newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases.postfix owner_request_special = no queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.0.18/README_FILES recipient_delimiter = + relay_domains = /etc/postfix/relay_domains sample_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.0.18/samples sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix setgid_group = postdrop unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 virtual_alias_domains = $virtual_alias_maps virtual_alias_maps = hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman, hash:/etc/postfix/virtual From chris at woodchipcomputers.co.uk Wed Jan 26 13:44:34 2005 From: chris at woodchipcomputers.co.uk (Chris Wright) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:44:34 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not out of the starting block Message-ID: <41F790B2.24897.119DE5E@localhost> I'm trying to install Mailman 2.1.5 on a new server. I've got an older version running happily elsewhere - but I can't get out of the starting blocks on this new one. Which is frustrating... I set it up in /usr/local/mailman and have run: configure --with-mail-gid=admin --with-cgi-gid=mailman make su mailman make install This last runs OK, but ends with an error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 46, in ? import paths File "bin/paths.py", line 59, in ? import korean ImportError: No module named korean make: *** [update] Error 1 ... and I get no further. I can comment out the "korea" lines in paths.py and avoid further error messages - but at the end of the install process, it still won't run. Any pointers folks? Chris Wright From ernest at afrinic.net Tue Jan 25 09:14:07 2005 From: ernest at afrinic.net (Ernest Byaruhanga) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:14:07 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] chaning admin password Message-ID: <41F5FFCF.6020008@afrinic.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 hello mailman-users, i have a small problem with passwords - when i change a list administrator's password from the web interface, both the old password that i use when creating the list and the new password will still work when i try to login to th list as admin. i cannot seem to find the exact answer from the list archives.. someone please advise where am going wrong. thanks, ernest. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBQfX/xukIG2whqpjBAQKKXgYAuPy+UA1fPaOULeWe5/tG9fy3pQAVjn+D nIS4atLEDrRewPj2/848zfNIMu0JJJgPYNeuRNoCCiMxZ8rwbXbb5DucARa4fBad gHdGF22xAvCl7JyaVhbrJk7H2smNo7JSbDr5eZyBHHBTrIoe1DSDLO/Od3A0J3Nl XLNaG0fMhS90he7MExwr8pTxTf9yCLQZcMGGxnkNufqAR4Gm318hpYdxX8bxojlA 3VyJalNth71OFo8b1Sx23q7+qxFjMd20 =C7vg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ernest at afrinic.net Tue Jan 25 18:42:07 2005 From: ernest at afrinic.net (Ernest Byaruhanga) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:42:07 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F684EF.70801@afrinic.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear Mark, Thank you for your reply. Mark Sapiro wrote: | Ernest Byaruhanga wrote: | |>i have a small problem with passwords - when i change a list |>administrator's password from the web interface, both the old password |>that i use when creating the list and the new password will still work |>when i try to login to th list as admin. | | | There is only one admin passwored and one moderator password stored per | list. Perhaps the old password you refer to is actually the site | password which will work for all lists. See | | bin/mmsitepass --help when i use ./mmsitepass -c, i create a new list creator password succesffully, and i can log into the list admin site with it. however, even the old list-creator password is still able to be used to log in to the list admin interface. is there somefile where these passwords are stored so i can delete them from there? thanks for anticipated help ernest. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBQfaE7ekIG2whqpjBAQIpBQYAo4m6wY2qlUznTdQlyq0+OEQybYbGbAal b+8gIzsakwyFVJctEF3u1E63DOQACvwnYH70Qm+qJT66HCVKLA+n2CG+Q8I3j1J3 dMEAeMPAWOrQeRoojP8qC9D99r/eGZp8h6ACsuIbO8W1DB95Y4TtdoH0MqIpmjim uHX1bsFGSlOrTWVZ9zet+V5djEmiHMJmtBvC7AvUpitrZKwZPR9jiGLKys6557ir vsBJBgYEyB6I30SQfTyE1B+SYyDLWIPW =FMB5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ernest at afrinic.net Tue Jan 25 19:44:20 2005 From: ernest at afrinic.net (Ernest Byaruhanga) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:44:20 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F69384.3080800@afrinic.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mark Sapiro wrote: | Ernest Byaruhanga | |>when i use ./mmsitepass -c, i create a new list creator password |>succesffully, and i can log into the list admin site with it. however, |>even the old list-creator password is still able to be used to log in to |>the list admin interface. is there somefile where these passwords are |>stored so i can delete them from there? | | There are several passwords. | | List Creator, set by mmsitepass -c, authorizes list creation only. | Shouldn't authorize list administration. Encrypted value stored in the | file mm_cfg.LISTCREATOR_PW_FILE which defaults to data/creator.pw | | Site Password, set by mmsitepass (no -c option), authorizes any and | everything. Encrypted value stored in the file mm_cfg.SITE_PW_FILE | which defaults to data/adm.pw | | List administrator. Set per list through list admin, bin/change_pw, | etc., authorizes administration of the one list that it is for. | Encrypted value stored with other list data in | lists//config.pck | | List moderator. Set per list through list admin, etc., authorizes | moderation only of the one list that it is for. Encrypted value stored | with other list data in lists//config.pck thanks Mark.. you solved my problem :-) ernest. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBQfaTgukIG2whqpjBAQJX9QX/SEIVxup0Y0/pD4hbMOK6aqrzC5fZq5Pj amYFMiHQzzCpTcvGs/UVQJlHpPimevCj/+b9A17AZP/8EfCzxL1BqH2lwDl66lBR 46PNK8wH4QZOQCNG0YhuHF7Gk0XvDATWqCNj9jqbThWmqu8TBJsubxUZOZq07WGH YWZ8t0J3vF77jezhGPwXoIN+6xOaiprZa9lD/syfzwDBqUiCuXmZphUpv+l5nW+v zxHOPQ4TgtQXIbb1MMG5qcix5FIf2F5I =BjN7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From foto at eljee.nl Wed Jan 26 11:18:05 2005 From: foto at eljee.nl (Eljee (laptop)) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:18:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] maiman with postfix Message-ID: <41F76E5D.7040002@eljee.nl> Hi All, I got a configuration problem. I try to get postfix to work nicely with mailman with virtual domains. For some strange reason are the mailmanlists under my 'mydomain' of 'myhostnam' working as it should but the mailmanlists under my virtual domains are not working. For example list-1-subscribe at anotherdomain.com will not be processed by mailman but just delivered at validuser at anotherdomain.com. /var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman contains the line: list-1-subscribe at anotherdomain.com list-1-subscribe and /var/mailman/data/aliases contains the line: list-1-subscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe list-1" the two files are owned by mailman (also the group) Anyone any idea?? Regards, LJ This is my setup: [root at lj postfix]# postconf -n alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases alias_maps = hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases, hash:/etc/postfix/aliases command_directory = /usr/sbin command_time_limit = 5000s config_directory = /etc/postfix daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix debug_peer_level = 2 inet_interfaces = all mail_owner = postfix mail_spool_directory = /var/spool/mail mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail mailbox_transport = cyrus mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq.postfix manpage_directory = /usr/share/man mydestination = /etc/postfix/local-host-names $myhostname localhost.$mydomain $mydomain mydomain = eljee.com myhostname = eljee.com newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases.postfix owner_request_special = no queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.0.18/README_FILES recipient_delimiter = + relay_domains = /etc/postfix/relay_domains sample_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.0.18/samples sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix setgid_group = postdrop unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 virtual_alias_domains = $virtual_alias_maps virtual_alias_maps = hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman, hash:/etc/postfix/virtual From grant at stemage.com Tue Jan 25 16:14:29 2005 From: grant at stemage.com (Grant Henry) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:14:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscription via form Message-ID: <028201c502f0$9499c840$5ba7f4d0@omega.local> Just wanted to tell you all how versatile this program is! I'm using it for a basic one-way mailing list, so I almost feel bad for not using it up to its full functionality. ;) My question is this... I run www.metroidmetal.com. I want people to be able to join the mailing list by filling out the form on the front page, and the e-mail field being automatically submitted for subscription - of course bounces would be handled by the program. This would lighten my manual load. How would I go about this? I've tried the variety of FAQs, but I can't find much. ?? Grant Henry From jjmarks at cfl.rr.com Wed Jan 26 03:38:45 2005 From: jjmarks at cfl.rr.com (Jacob Marks) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:38:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman integratinon with an sql user database Message-ID: <000001c50350$32466b70$6401a8c0@EZULA> Is it possible to integrate Mailman with an sql user database? I have a pre existing user database for site authentication and want to use one interface to update all of my subscribers for my sebsite and mailing list. jake From lars.bungum at copyleft.no Wed Jan 26 12:19:30 2005 From: lars.bungum at copyleft.no (Lars Bungum) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:19:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange bounce messages - why is it allowed throughand how do I find out? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1106738369.78770.1351.camel@truth.in.copyleft.no> On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 17:24, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >In the mailman/logs/post log file it just says that dummy at not.exist > >posted to the list at this or that time. > >I'm both bewildered and estranged - what is this? And how do I find out > >why it is allowed to post to the list? > Here's a possible scenario: > A digest is sent to a subscribed address that is no longer valid. > The receiving MTA is broken and sends a "bounce" message to the > Reply-To: address of the digest (instead of the envelope sender, > Sender: or Errors-To: address) which is the list. > Either the envelope sender or some header you use in validating the > poster contains the address the digest was sent to, so the post is > allowed. Hey, Mark, thanks for your input. Yet I fail quite to understand what is letting it through. I went over my sender filters, and only one address not on the subscriber list is allowed to post. I've taken this away now, but the mail still gets through. AFAIK there are now no addresses beyond the subscription list that should be allowed to post. Apart from that, there are just some addresses that are explicitly allowed as incoming addresses. Have I overlooked something? I'll enclose the mail that gets sent through. -- Mvh. Lars Bungum Copyleft Software AS Telefon : +47 4000 3775 Telefaks : +47 21 93 33 71 Mobiltelefon : +47 92 04 61 35 Organisasjonsnummer: 982 116 252 -------------- next part -------------- >From lsklista-bounces at lists.fix.no Tue Jan 25 12:03:52 2005 Received: from bzzzt.fix.no ([212.71.72.20] helo=unity.copyleft.no) by bzzzt.fix.no with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CtOUC-000FNm-00 for bungum at e.fix.no; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:03:52 +0100 Received: from kilby.copyleft.no ([66.154.115.118]) by unity.copyleft.no with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1CtOUB-000FNi-00 for lars at bungum.no; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:03:51 +0100 Received: from kilby.copyleft.no ([66.154.115.118]) by kilby.copyleft.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1CtOT7-00005g-O1; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:02:45 +0100 Received: from webmail2.activeisp.com ([213.188.134.18] helo=mailengine11.web2000.activeisp.com) by kilby.copyleft.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1CtOT4-00005Z-Uj for lsklista at lists.fix.no; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:02:43 +0100 To: lsklista at lists.fix.no From: dummy at not.exist Message-Id: Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:02:04 +0100 Subject: [LSK] Autoreply: Sammendrag av lsklista, Vol 1, Utgave 13 X-BeenThere: lsklista at lists.fix.no X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Liste for diskusjon av LSK." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2070629966==" Sender: lsklista-bounces at lists.fix.no Errors-To: lsklista-bounces at lists.fix.no X-Bogosity-Centralized: No, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000223, version=0.92.8 X-Evolution-Source: imap://bungum at bz.cl.no/ Mime-Version: 1.0 --===============2070629966== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This email adress do not exist --===============2070629966== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ------------------------ LSK Mailingliste ---------------------------- Avmelding/P?melding: http://lists.fix.no/listinfo/lsklista Arkiv: http://lists.fix.no/mailman/private/lsklista/ Innlegg: lsk at cl.no --===============2070629966==-- From sirjallen at gmail.com Wed Jan 26 14:58:23 2005 From: sirjallen at gmail.com (Tim Smith) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:58:23 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 on lists.chatlabel.de/mailman In-Reply-To: <239369141.20050126084228@chatlabel.de> References: <239369141.20050126084228@chatlabel.de> Message-ID: <6f72ead05012605581e72b8f@mail.gmail.com> Are you running SuSE Linux? I had this problem two days ago when I upgraded mailman using YOU from 2.1.3 to 2.1.4 on my Suse 9.1 Pro on a AMD64 system. To fix my problem all I had to do was install a python module via YAST. I can't remember the name of it right now, but it's documented in my previous post on this matter, I posted it yesterday. After I installed that XML python item, it just started workin perfectly fine again. -Tim On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:42:28 +0100, Carsten Henkel wrote: > i become this error page on the webinterface: > > Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 > > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! > Traceback: > > Content-type: text/html > > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > > Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a > useful traceback for you. Please report this to the Mailman administrator at > this site. > > but i have no idea why that is. have you any idea ? > thanks > > -- > Mit freundlichen Gr?ssen > Carsten Henkel mailto:carsten at chatlabel.de > > Es ist sinnlos zu sagen: Wir tun unser Bestes. Es mu? dir gelingen, das zu tun, was erforderlich ist. (Winston Churchill) > > dieser Text ist zuf?llig gew?hlt und hat nichts mit dem Empf?nger der e-Mail zu tun. > > Carsten Henkel > Passauer Stra?e 7 > 94577 Winzer > tel.: 0049 (0)180-3684398-360 > fax.: 0049 (0)180-3684398-039 > > http://chatlabel.de > http://radio.chatlabel.de > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > From yd at media-c.de Wed Jan 26 16:12:20 2005 From: yd at media-c.de (Yassen Damyanov) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:12:20 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] maiman with postfix In-Reply-To: <41F76E5D.7040002@eljee.nl> References: <41F76E5D.7040002@eljee.nl> Message-ID: <200501261712.20973.yd@media-c.de> I have this working but I have all my virtual domains listed here: virtual_mailbox_domains = virt1.com, virt2.com, ..., virtn.com Don't see your "virtual_mailbox_domains =" clause. Try with setting it up. Also, you may need things like virtual_gid_maps, virtual_uid_maps I have these things in my main.conf: virtual_gid_maps = static:1000 virtual_uid_maps = static:1001 virtual_transport = virtual virtual_mailbox_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-maps.cf (I use mysql db for virtual users mailbox map) Hope this helps a little (post back to let me know). Yassen On Wednesday 26 January 2005 13:48, Eljee wrote: > Hi All, > > I got a configuration problem. I try to get postfix to work nicely with > mailman with virtual domains. For some strange reason are the > mailmanlists under my 'mydomain' of 'myhostnam' working as it should but > the mailmanlists under my virtual domains are not working. For example > list-1-subscribe at anotherdomain.com will not be processed by mailman but > just delivered at validuser at anotherdomain.com. > > /var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman contains the line: > list-1-subscribe at anotherdomain.com list-1-subscribe > > and > > /var/mailman/data/aliases contains the line: > list-1-subscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe list-1" > > the two files are owned by mailman (also the group) > > Anyone any idea?? > Regards, LJ From glen.low at pixelglow.com Wed Jan 26 16:36:20 2005 From: glen.low at pixelglow.com (Glen Low) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:36:20 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Font customization in Pipermail archives Message-ID: <071F408A-6FB0-11D9-A360-000D9337BC48@pixelglow.com> I can add things like Google Adsense code to the templates/en/article.html template, but as soon as I try to use FONT tags or STYLE tags, the archiver refuses to subsitute anything -- so my articles all end up with the % variables in them. Am I doing something wrong or is this a known problem? Cheers, Glen Low --- pixelglow software | simply brilliant stuff www.pixelglow.com From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Wed Jan 26 17:51:11 2005 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:51:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 on lists.chatlabel.de/mailman References: <239369141.20050126084228@chatlabel.de> Message-ID: Carsten Henkel schrieb: > but i have no idea why that is. have you any idea ? A solution to your problem was posted about 12 hours ago to this list. <6f72ead05012511312eb3c035 at mail.gmail.com> -thh From BPantejo at citco.com Wed Jan 26 18:03:22 2005 From: BPantejo at citco.com (Pantejo, Barbara FTL) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:03:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases Message-ID: <69654C1963C8F64FA560BCC6ECD12B3A01974CD7@FTL1MSEX01> When creating new mailing lists through the web browser, why aren't the aliases automatically generated in the /etc/aliases file? Does anyone know an easy way to configure mailman to auto-generate the aliases when creating new mailing lists through the web browser? I would hate to only run the newlist command, then manually edit the /etc/aliases file, every time a new mailing list is required. Thanks, Barbara From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 26 18:46:51 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:46:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscription via form In-Reply-To: <028201c502f0$9499c840$5ba7f4d0@omega.local> Message-ID: Grant Henry wrote: > >My question is this... I run www.metroidmetal.com. I want people to be able to join the mailing list by filling out the form on the front page, and the e-mail field being automatically submitted for subscription - of course bounces would be handled by the program. This would lighten my manual load. > >How would I go about this? I've tried the variety of FAQs, but I can't find much. ?? Have you seen http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.033.htp -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From don at andesengineering.com Wed Jan 26 19:07:21 2005 From: don at andesengineering.com (Don Burns) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:07:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-script "low level failure" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm on a lot of different mailing lists, so after getting the answer to this question I selfishly disabled my mail delivery on the mailman list. However, I've been contacted by a couple of folks privately with the same problem. So, let me post the solution for anyone else who may be getting the same issue. To reiterate, the problem presents itself when access to any of the mailman scripts (e.g. http://somewhere/mailman/listinfo) produces a "low level failure" with no traceback. What seems to be common here is the occurance on SUSE. In my search for a solution I found that this occurs with on auto-update on Suse - patch 10 for mailman 2.1.4 to be exact. See: http://www.novell.com/linux/download/updates/91_i386.html What's interesting is that this patch can be installed without a dependency: python-xml. So, if you are encoutering this problem, the likely problem is that you are missing a dependency, and the solution is drop-dead easy: Just install python-xml -don From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 26 19:40:32 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:40:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases In-Reply-To: <69654C1963C8F64FA560BCC6ECD12B3A01974CD7@FTL1MSEX01> Message-ID: Pantejo, Barbara wrote: >When creating new mailing lists through the web browser, why aren't the >aliases automatically generated in the /etc/aliases file? Because of permission issues with sendmail. >Does anyone know an easy way to configure mailman to auto-generate the >aliases when creating new mailing lists through the web browser? See >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py article 4.49 -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From lenny at frodo.aecom.yu.edu Wed Jan 26 19:51:18 2005 From: lenny at frodo.aecom.yu.edu (lenny) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:51:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix and mailman Message-ID: <41F7E6A6.1070501@frodo.aecom.yu.edu> postfix, mailman, solaris. I keep getting this error when creating lists via web interface. all data/alias* files are owned by mailman:mailman and I have the mta defined as postfix and /usr/local/data/aliases as postfix alias map. It seems that after I run bin/genaliases command manually, things move on. the list can be managed and mail gets delivered, but it's not good enough, since the list owner never gets the "list created" message because of this error and obviously I don't want to have to run genaliases all the time. Also, postfix complains for some reason. Should it even be trying this ? open /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.pag: Permission denied Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 226, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create _update_maps() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Not owner) From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 26 20:09:59 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:09:59 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SuSE patch mailman 2.1.4-83.10-patch (i586) causing much grief Message-ID: <41F7EB07.90109@value.net> At least three separate SuSE users have posted at mailman-users at python.org requesting help after the subject patch broke their mailman web access. The part of the patch which patches scripts/driver depends on the escape() function in Python XML library module xml.sax.saxutils. Apparently the XML library is not installed by default with Python on SuSE and the dependency is not noted in the patch RPM. This is causing much grief for SuSE Mailman users and the mailman-users at python.org (and probably other) support lists. Please fix this. Note to Mailman-Users list: This is a Cc: of a message to crc at novell.com. If any SuSE users have a better place to send this, please forward it on. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 26 20:24:40 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:24:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange bounce messages - why is it allowedthroughand how do I find out? In-Reply-To: <1106738369.78770.1351.camel@truth.in.copyleft.no> Message-ID: >Hey, Mark, thanks for your input. > >Yet I fail quite to understand what is letting it through. I went over >my sender filters, and only one address not on the subscriber list is >allowed to post. I've taken this away now, but the mail still gets >through. > >AFAIK there are now no addresses beyond the subscription list that >should be allowed to post. Apart from that, there are just some >addresses that are explicitly allowed as incoming addresses. Have I >overlooked something? > >I'll enclose the mail that gets sent through. I can't tell much from the mail you enclosed which came from the list. What you have to see is the message that arrives to the list before it is resent from the list. I suspect the reason that it gets through is that the incoming message has an envelope from the original subscribed address and that is why it is accepted for the list. If you don't have too many digest subscribers, you could e-mail each one individually and see which address returns this bogus bounce and then just unsubscribe it. Or, you could send one mail with Bcc: to all digest subscribers. If I am right, this will produce a bounce and the envelope sender or some header will identify who it was sent to. /Mark -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From juliel at goodvibes.com Wed Jan 26 20:28:51 2005 From: juliel at goodvibes.com (Julie S. Lin) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:28:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman & squirrel mail Message-ID: BlankHi Does mailman work with SquirrelMail ? I'm having permissions problems creating a mailing list in the web interface and want to see if anyone has experience with this particular setup. Julie S. Lin From coach at stevereiter.com Wed Jan 26 20:25:47 2005 From: coach at stevereiter.com (Steve Reiter) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:25:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting MIME as default for new Non-Digest subscribers Message-ID: <41F7EEBB.4070709@stevereiter.com> Hi - I have searched FAQ and archives to find an answer. Hoping you can help. I have a new list (with previously imported addresses) for announcements only, and wish these announcements to be received immediately. I set the defaults to allow non-digest and to not allow digest. I wish to send out announcements in html, and so wish to make the default for new subscribers be MIME. While I see a setting under Digest Options (MIME_is_Default_Digest), I don't see any equivalent option under Non-Digest Options... and new subscribers continue to come in as plain text. QUESTIONS: In order to avoid having to manually change this option for each existing subscriber, is there a way to force all existing subscribers to receive MIME in Non-Digest mode? If not, is there a way to force all NEW subscribers to be enrolled with MIME as their default? Also, is there a way to "lock" the MIME switch on, so that users who try to change their option to plain text will be prevented from doing so? Thanks - Steve From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 26 20:26:32 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:26:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not out of the starting block In-Reply-To: <41F790B2.24897.119DE5E@localhost> Message-ID: Chris Wright wrote: > >... and I get no further. I can comment out the "korea" lines in >paths.py and avoid further error messages - but at the end of the >install process, it still won't run. "won't run" how? What do you do that fails and how does it fail? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 26 20:39:34 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:39:34 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting MIME as default for new Non-Digestsubscribers In-Reply-To: <41F7EEBB.4070709@stevereiter.com> Message-ID: Steve Reiter wrote: > >I wish to send out announcements in html, and so wish to make the >default for new subscribers be MIME. While I see a setting under Digest >Options (MIME_is_Default_Digest), I don't see any equivalent option >under Non-Digest Options... and new subscribers continue to come in as >plain text. The reason this option is in the digest section is it affects only the format of digests. It is totally meaningless for non-digest subscribers. If you select MIME digests, the digest is multipart with each message in its own part. Otherwise it is flat plain text. >QUESTIONS: >In order to avoid having to manually change this option for each >existing subscriber, is there a way to force all existing subscribers to >receive MIME in Non-Digest mode? > >If not, is there a way to force all NEW subscribers to be enrolled with >MIME as their default? > >Also, is there a way to "lock" the MIME switch on, so that users who try >to change their option to plain text will be prevented from doing so? Your questions are not relevant to what you are doing. To send MIME format messages to non-digest subscribers you just post that format to the list and either turn off content filtering or adjust the content filtering to pass what you want. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 26 20:45:19 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:45:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman integratinon with an sql user database In-Reply-To: <000001c50350$32466b70$6401a8c0@EZULA> Message-ID: Jacob Marks wrote: >Is it possible to integrate Mailman with an sql user database? I have a pre >existing user database for site authentication and want to use one interface >to update all of my subscribers for my sebsite and mailing list. See http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=839386&group_id=103&atid=300103 -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From ges+lists at wingfoot.org Wed Jan 26 20:52:30 2005 From: ges+lists at wingfoot.org (Glenn E. Sieb) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:52:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix and mailman In-Reply-To: <41F7E6A6.1070501@frodo.aecom.yu.edu> References: <41F7E6A6.1070501@frodo.aecom.yu.edu> Message-ID: <41F7F4FE.4030806@wingfoot.org> lenny wrote: > postfix, mailman, solaris. > > I keep getting this error when creating lists via web interface. > all data/alias* files are owned by mailman:mailman and I have the mta > defined as postfix and /usr/local/data/aliases as postfix alias map. > It seems that after I run bin/genaliases command manually, things move > on. the list can be managed and mail gets delivered, but it's not good > enough, since the list owner never gets the "list created" message > because of this error and obviously I don't want to have to run > genaliases all the time. > > Also, postfix complains for some reason. Should it even be trying this ? Hey Lenny, Per this FAQ entry: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp Check the permissions on the file.. make sure they're 0664 (unless you're on Debian Sarge, where they suggest 0666. You may also wish to check the end of the FAQ entry where they have a caveat about Postfix if it's not installed in a default location... Best, --Glenn From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed Jan 26 22:07:38 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:07:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman & squirrel mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:28 AM -0800 2005-01-26, Julie S. Lin wrote: > Does mailman work with SquirrelMail ? I'm having permissions > problems creating a mailing list in the web interface and want to see if > anyone has experience with this particular setup. SquirrelMail is a webmail solution which talks to an IMAP back-end. This has no involvement whatsoever with Mailman, except that both use e-mail as a communications medium, and both can have a certain amount of information served via the web. You need to look closer at your problem, look at your log files, etc.... At this point, your question is akin to asking a doctor if your hand has anything to do with your friend's foot that hurts. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From etierra at gmail.com Wed Jan 26 21:14:58 2005 From: etierra at gmail.com (Tierra) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:14:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman & squirrel mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:28:51 -0800, Julie S. Lin wrote: > BlankHi > > Does mailman work with SquirrelMail ? I'm having permissions > problems creating a mailing list in the web interface and want to see if > anyone > has experience with this particular setup. > Julie S. Lin I don't think either have anything to do with each other... neither should affect the other. I have however had problems creating lists through the web interface, but I've just fallen back on creating lists through the command line script. Bryan From srb at umich.edu Wed Jan 26 22:46:33 2005 From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:46:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing SPAM filters Message-ID: <60E4520BF8CEB84B07E105B1@Hitomi-srb.local> Mail to our mailman lists is pre-processed by Brightmail, which inserts a header of the form "X-Spam-Flag: YES". If we, from the admin web interface, go to Privacy options->Spam filters, and add a Spam Filter Rule for that header pattern, with an action of delete, and save the changes, they appear to be correctly saved, but if we then return to that page some time later, the rule has mysteriously disappeared. Any idea why this would be happening? Mailman 2.1.4, running on Solaris, for what it's worth. -- Steve Burling University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 From msapiro at value.net Wed Jan 26 23:33:15 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:33:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing SPAM filters In-Reply-To: <60E4520BF8CEB84B07E105B1@Hitomi-srb.local> Message-ID: Steve Burling wrote: >Mail to our mailman lists is pre-processed by Brightmail, which inserts a >header of the form "X-Spam-Flag: YES". If we, from the admin web >interface, go to Privacy options->Spam filters, and add a Spam Filter Rule >for that header pattern, with an action of delete, and save the changes, >they appear to be correctly saved, but if we then return to that page some >time later, the rule has mysteriously disappeared. > >Any idea why this would be happening? This is off the wall and probably has nothing to do with your problem, but there is no "delete" action for these rules. The actions are Defer, Hold, Reject, Discard and Accept. There is a "Delete" button which deletes the rule from the list. Could this be the problem? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Thu Jan 27 00:46:20 2005 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:46:20 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing SPAM filters In-Reply-To: <60E4520BF8CEB84B07E105B1@Hitomi-srb.local> References: <60E4520BF8CEB84B07E105B1@Hitomi-srb.local> Message-ID: <41F82BCC.2060001@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, Steve Burling wrote: > Mail to our mailman lists is pre-processed by Brightmail, which inserts > a header of the form "X-Spam-Flag: YES". If we, from the admin web > interface, go to Privacy options->Spam filters, and add a Spam Filter > Rule for that header pattern, with an action of delete, and save the > changes, they appear to be correctly saved, but if we then return to > that page some time later, the rule has mysteriously disappeared. > > Any idea why this would be happening? > > Mailman 2.1.4, running on Solaris, for what it's worth. This bug was fixed in 2.1.6(b2). From the NEWS: - Bugs and patches: 955381 (older Python compatibility), 1020102/1013079/ 1020013 (fix spam filter removed), 665569 (newer Postfix bounce detection), 970383 (moderator -1 admin requests pending), ... 1020102/1013079/1020013 were the entry numbers in SourceForge Bug/Patch trackers. Sorry for the inconvenience and please try upgrade to 2.1.6b2 from: http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.6b2.tgz > -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From jgroves at krenim.org Thu Jan 27 04:43:30 2005 From: jgroves at krenim.org (Jeff Groves) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:43:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Are the "regexps" used in Mailman really Regular Expressions? Message-ID: <41F86362.7060307@krenim.org> Are the regexp used in Mailman similar to those used in awk? If so, why don't you have to escape characters like "." in an email address? Is there anywhere that has a "HowTo" on the regexps standard used in Mailman? Thanks, Jeff G. -- Law of Procrastination: Procrastination avoids boredom; one never has the feeling that there is nothing important to do. From msapiro at value.net Thu Jan 27 05:18:20 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:18:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Are the "regexps" used in Mailman really RegularExpressions? In-Reply-To: <41F86362.7060307@krenim.org> Message-ID: Jeff Groves wrote: >Are the regexp used in Mailman similar to those used in awk? > >If so, why don't you have to escape characters like "." in an email address? > >Is there anywhere that has a "HowTo" on the regexps standard used in Mailman? They are Python regular expressions. See http://www.python.org/doc/2.2.3/lib/re-syntax.html Strictly speaking, you do have to escape ".", but many people don't because they think that the "." in "^[^@]*@example.com" probably wouldn't match anything else. Also, in several cases such as for example the *_these_nonmembers lists, an entry can be either a literal address or a regexp. It is a regexp only if it begins with "^", and in these cases the leading "^" is both an anchor and means what follows is a regexp. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jgroves at krenim.org Thu Jan 27 05:27:20 2005 From: jgroves at krenim.org (Jeff Groves) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:27:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Are the "regexps" used in Mailman really RegularExpressions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F86DA8.5070503@krenim.org> Thanks for the quick response, Mark. The web site you provided below is VERY helpful to me. I'm still experimenting with another issue in 2.1.5, so my hypothesis may be wrong, but it is kind of looking like the "acceptable aliases" part of the Privacy options in "Recipient Filters" is case sensitive. So, if I enter MailingList at foo.org as the address of the list and I only have mailinglist at foo.org, then Mailman throws a "no implicit address" error. Can anyone refute or confirm this hypothesis? Jeff G. Mark Sapiro wrote: > Jeff Groves wrote: > > >>Are the regexp used in Mailman similar to those used in awk? >> >>If so, why don't you have to escape characters like "." in an email address? >> >>Is there anywhere that has a "HowTo" on the regexps standard used in Mailman? > > > They are Python regular expressions. See > http://www.python.org/doc/2.2.3/lib/re-syntax.html > > Strictly speaking, you do have to escape ".", but many people don't > because they think that the "." in "^[^@]*@example.com" probably > wouldn't match anything else. > > Also, in several cases such as for example the *_these_nonmembers > lists, an entry can be either a literal address or a regexp. It is a > regexp only if it begins with "^", and in these cases the leading "^" > is both an anchor and means what follows is a regexp. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > -- Law of Procrastination: Procrastination avoids boredom; one never has the feeling that there is nothing important to do. From msapiro at value.net Thu Jan 27 05:56:30 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:56:30 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Are the "regexps" used in Mailman really RegularExpressions? In-Reply-To: <41F86DA8.5070503@krenim.org> Message-ID: Jeff Groves wrote: > >I'm still experimenting with another issue in 2.1.5, so my hypothesis may be wrong, but it is >kind of looking like the "acceptable aliases" part of the Privacy options in "Recipient >Filters" is case sensitive. So, if I enter MailingList at foo.org as the address of the list >and I only have mailinglist at foo.org, then Mailman throws a "no implicit address" error. > >Can anyone refute or confirm this hypothesis? Just looking briefly at the code - MailList.HasExplicitDest() - it looks like the addresses from the header are all lowercased prior to matching against the list address and acceptable_aliases. Thus I would expect if the alias is all lower case, any combination of case in the To: or Cc: of the message would match, but if the alias is mixed or upper case, it would never match. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jgroves at krenim.org Thu Jan 27 06:01:37 2005 From: jgroves at krenim.org (Jeff Groves) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:01:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Are the "regexps" used in Mailman really RegularExpressions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F875B1.4040209@krenim.org> So, would that "never match" scenario be a feature or a bug? My opinion is that Mailman should do the Python equivalent of a "tolower" to every email address (and every regular expression) before applying the regular expressions filter.... Jeff G. Mark Sapiro wrote: > Jeff Groves wrote: > >>I'm still experimenting with another issue in 2.1.5, so my hypothesis may be wrong, but it is >>kind of looking like the "acceptable aliases" part of the Privacy options in "Recipient >>Filters" is case sensitive. So, if I enter MailingList at foo.org as the address of the list >>and I only have mailinglist at foo.org, then Mailman throws a "no implicit address" error. >> >>Can anyone refute or confirm this hypothesis? > > > Just looking briefly at the code - MailList.HasExplicitDest() - it > looks like the addresses from the header are all lowercased prior to > matching against the list address and acceptable_aliases. Thus I would > expect if the alias is all lower case, any combination of case in the > To: or Cc: of the message would match, but if the alias is mixed or > upper case, it would never match. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > -- Law of Procrastination: Procrastination avoids boredom; one never has the feeling that there is nothing important to do. From msapiro at value.net Thu Jan 27 06:23:51 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:23:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Are the "regexps" used in Mailman really RegularExpressions? In-Reply-To: <41F875B1.4040209@krenim.org> Message-ID: Jeff Groves wrote: >So, would that "never match" scenario be a feature or a bug? It would be a bug if it's true. As I said, I just looked quickly at the code. I would have to verify actual behavior before drawing a final conclusion. >My opinion is that Mailman should do the Python equivalent of a "tolower" to every email >address (and every regular expression) before applying the regular expressions filter.... In most cases the IGNORECASE flag is specified for the match which accomplishes the same thing. I didn't see it here, but as I said, I'm not that confident that case is not ignored. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From lars.bungum at copyleft.no Wed Jan 26 22:31:18 2005 From: lars.bungum at copyleft.no (Lars Bungum) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:31:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange bounce messages - why is it allowedthroughand how do I find out? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1106775077.2795.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 20:24, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >I'll enclose the mail that gets sent through. > I can't tell much from the mail you enclosed which came from the list. > What you have to see is the message that arrives to the list before it > is resent from the list. Where could I find this message? > I suspect the reason that it gets through is that the incoming message > has an envelope from the original subscribed address and that is why > it is accepted for the list. That was probably it. > If you don't have too many digest subscribers, you could e-mail each > one individually and see which address returns this bogus bounce and > then just unsubscribe it. > Or, you could send one mail with Bcc: to all digest subscribers. If I > am right, this will produce a bounce and the envelope sender or some > header will identify who it was sent to. Good stuff! Thanks for your pointers, I was now able to work out out. I listed all my digest subscribers and ran them all through "exim -bt" grepping for the mail server that is listed in the header-info in the enclosed mail. I found only one address from that server which I tested - and reproduced the silly bounce message. Now it's unsubscribed, problem solved, many thanks! -- --lars From vikki at jankowski.com Thu Jan 27 05:05:37 2005 From: vikki at jankowski.com (Vikki Jankowski) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:05:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail format question Message-ID: <0IAY00EQDJB28C@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> I am using Mailman as a mass emailer for my non-profit org and would like to use it to send out our monthly newsletter, except that the newsletter is HTML. I've tried to send the email as a test to myself and it just comes back as text code, not HTML. Is there a special way to do this? (FYI - Mailman is preinstalled by my host, so its nothing I can "configure" or change on the server end except for what I can change in the Mailman admin section.) Thanks, Vikki From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Jan 27 09:10:21 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:10:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail format question In-Reply-To: <0IAY00EQDJB28C@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <0IAY00EQDJB28C@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: At 11:05 PM -0500 2005-01-26, Vikki Jankowski wrote: > I am using Mailman as a mass emailer for my non-profit org and would like to > use it to send out our monthly newsletter, except that the newsletter is > HTML. I've tried to send the email as a test to myself and it just comes > back as text code, not HTML. Is there a special way to do this? (FYI - > Mailman is preinstalled by my host, so its nothing I can "configure" or > change on the server end except for what I can change in the Mailman admin > section.) Go to the web admin interface for your list, and go to the "Content filtering" sub-page. At the very least, you want to turn off the conversion of text/html to plain text, and you want to make sure that text/html messages are passed. You may want to turn off content filtering altogether. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From srb at umich.edu Thu Jan 27 12:28:59 2005 From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:28:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing SPAM filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: --On January 26, 2005 2:33:15 PM -0800 Mark Sapiro wrote: > This is off the wall and probably has nothing to do with your problem, > but there is no "delete" action for these rules. The actions are > Defer, Hold, Reject, Discard and Accept. There is a "Delete" button > which deletes the rule from the list. Could this be the problem? To which I reply: No, I just mis-spoke. Discard is, indeed, the desired action. -- Steve Burling University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 From john at wa9als.com Thu Jan 27 13:14:58 2005 From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:14:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanlistinfo without slash Message-ID: <000301c50469$d2491810$0100a8c0@wa9als> I haven't seen this mentioned - When I look at the Archives of a list, I get the CORRECT message below: No messages have been posted to this list yet, so the archives are currently empty. You can get more information about this list. <----underlined link The [albeit minor] problem is that the link above is missing a "/" in the linked URL like the following example: http://www.mydomain.com/cgi-bin/mailmanlistinfo/listname Note - Should be mailman/listinfo instead of mailmanlistinfo Can I correct that somewhere? Thanks! - John -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.6 - Release Date: 1/27/2005 From msapiro at value.net Thu Jan 27 16:57:55 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:57:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanlistinfo without slash In-Reply-To: <000301c50469$d2491810$0100a8c0@wa9als> Message-ID: John Fleming wrote: >I haven't seen this mentioned - When I look at the Archives of a list, I get >the CORRECT message below: > >No messages have been posted to this list yet, so the archives are currently >empty. You can get more information about this list. <----underlined link > >The [albeit minor] problem is that the link above is missing a "/" in the >linked URL like the following example: >http://www.mydomain.com/cgi-bin/mailmanlistinfo/listname > >Note - Should be mailman/listinfo instead of mailmanlistinfo > >Can I correct that somewhere? Thanks! - John It looks like you may have changed DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN in mm_cfg.py. Does it have a trailing slash? If this is the problem, after you fix DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN, you need to run bin/fix_url.py under bin/withlist to fix the list(s). Just run bin/fix_url.py for instructions. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From glen.low at pixelglow.com Thu Jan 27 17:06:11 2005 From: glen.low at pixelglow.com (Glen Low) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:06:11 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Interference from Cpanel mailman? Message-ID: <5CAE0246-707D-11D9-A360-000D9337BC48@pixelglow.com> Hi All, I've successfully implemented a fetchmail + mailman solution on my server, so that fetchmail will poll my web host for new mail and pipe it directly to mailman on my server. I've set up some PHP scripts on my web host server to "reverse proxy" the CGI interface from my server to the web host server, and I will regularly (or automatically) FTP up the archives. So far the setup seems to hang together fairly well, except for one thing. I subscribe to the list and get a confirm message. I reply to the confirm message and the thelist-request mailbox receives it, and eventually I can see fetchmail delivering it to mailman, and the interface reports that I am subscribed, plus I get the "welcome to the list" message -- however -- I also got a Mail delivery failed message back, presumably from the (installed on my webhost?) Cpanel version of Mailman. I can't see how it would have intercepted the message. BTW, my instance of mailman is at www.pixelglow.com/lists/listinfo, whereas the Cpanel version is at www.pixelglow.com/mailman/listinfo. Perhaps I haven't created all the mailboxes at the web host that I need? mailman mailman-admin thelist thelist-admin thelist-bounces thelist-confirm thelist-join thelist-leave thelist-owner thelist-request thelist-subscribe thelist-unsubscribe Is the Cpanel mailman trying to intercept a mail going to one of the mailman-xxx mailboxes that I haven't created? Here's a partial listing of the spurious email, names changed to protect the innocent :-) ... From Mailer-Daemon at ESC13.midphase.com Thu Jan 27 23:36:09 2005 Return-path: <> Envelope-to: xxx.yyy at pixelglow.com Delivery-date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:20:11 -0600 Received: from mailnull by ESC13.midphase.com with local (Exim 4.43) id 1CuBRL-0006jn-OB for xxx.yyy at pixelglow.com; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:20:11 -0600 X-Failed-Recipients: thelist-request at pixelglow.com Auto-Submitted: auto-generated From: Mail Delivery System To: xxx.yyy at pixelglow.com Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:20:11 -0600 This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman request thelist_pixelglow.com generated by thelist-request at pixelglow.com local delivery failed The following text was generated during the delivery attempt: ------ pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman request thelist_pixelglow.com generated by thelist-request at pixelglow.com ------ mailcmd script, list not found: thelist_pixelglow.com ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: Received: from [202.154.92.226] (helo=tibor.swiftdsl.com.au) by ESC13.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuBRK-0000NB-Ut for thelist-request at pixelglow.com; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:20:11 -0600 Received: (qmail 25165 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2005 15:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [218.214.12.138]) ([218.214.12.138]) (envelope-sender ) by tibor.swiftdsl.com.au (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 27 Jan 2005 15:24:07 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Glen Low Subject: Re: confirm 0baaec9e8c3fbe754367e0add1846eed8d097681 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:19:49 +0800 To: thelist-request at pixelglow.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) ======== It's all very puzzling since the thelist-request obviously got through the system! Cheers, Glen Low --- pixelglow software | simply brilliant stuff www.pixelglow.com From msapiro at value.net Thu Jan 27 17:14:38 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:14:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange bounce messages - why is it allowedthroughand how do I find out? In-Reply-To: <1106824887.78770.1393.camel@truth.in.copyleft.no> Message-ID: Lars Bungum wrote: >On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 17:24, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >In the mailman/logs/post log file it just says that dummy at not.exist >> >posted to the list at this or that time. >> >I'm both bewildered and estranged - what is this? And how do I find out >> >why it is allowed to post to the list? >> Here's a possible scenario: >> A digest is sent to a subscribed address that is no longer valid. >> The receiving MTA is broken and sends a "bounce" message to the >> Reply-To: address of the digest (instead of the envelope sender, >> Sender: or Errors-To: address) which is the list. > >A related question: > >what are the requirements to such bounce messages so that Mailmans >automatic (switched on in this case) bounce processing will take them as >bounces and flag the user, etc? The MTA which sends the bounce needs to send it to the listname-bounces address which is the envelope sender address and also in Sender: and Errors-To: headers in the outgoing message. A "broken" MTA will sometimes send to the From: or Reply-To: instead. Normally this will go to the poster, but in the case of a digest (or if Reply-To: has been munged), this will go to the list. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From msapiro at value.net Thu Jan 27 17:25:31 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:25:31 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail format question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brad Knowles wrote: >At 11:05 PM -0500 2005-01-26, Vikki Jankowski wrote: > >> I am using Mailman as a mass emailer for my non-profit org and would like to >> use it to send out our monthly newsletter, except that the newsletter is >> HTML. I've tried to send the email as a test to myself and it just comes >> back as text code, not HTML. Is there a special way to do this? (FYI - >> Mailman is preinstalled by my host, so its nothing I can "configure" or >> change on the server end except for what I can change in the Mailman admin >> section.) > > Go to the web admin interface for your list, and go to the >"Content filtering" sub-page. At the very least, you want to turn >off the conversion of text/html to plain text, and you want to make >sure that text/html messages are passed. You may want to turn off >content filtering altogether. One thing that's especially tricky about content filtering is the following - quoted from the Content filtering page. After this initial filtering, any multipart attachments that are empty are removed. If the outer message is left empty after this filtering, then the whole message is discarded. Then, each multipart/alternative section will be replaced by just the first alternative that is non-empty after filtering. What this means in practice is that if your filtering allows multipart/alternative, text/html and text/plain and you post a message which is multipart/alternative with both text/plain and text/html parts, only the text/plain part will remain after filtering. Thus if you want HTML on the list, you must either not allow plain text or post HTML only, not multipart/alternative or turn off content filtering. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From BPantejo at citco.com Thu Jan 27 18:15:56 2005 From: BPantejo at citco.com (Pantejo, Barbara FTL) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:15:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please review this procedure for sendmail integra tion Message-ID: <69654C1963C8F64FA560BCC6ECD12B3A01975218@FTL1MSEX01> Ed, This works great! Thank you very much!!! I tried David Champion's mm-handler method and it was too complicated (for a non-experienced sendmail person, like me) so I couldn't get it to work. Your procedure is simple and easy to implement! Thanks again for sharing your method! I recommend it to anyone wanting to integrate sendmail to mailman. Regards, Barbara ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- I've worked this up. I'd appreciate some constructive comments, yea or nay, on this procedure. Using the postfix MTA functionality to do automatic sendmail alias handling ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- In order to add a list to mailman on a sendmail based system, you need To add a bunch of aliases for that list to the alias file. In this customization, we implement a second alias file and teach sendmail about it. We use a mailman feature that was designed for the postfix mail program - a replacement for sendmail. This feature creates /home/mailman/data/aliases 1. We have a script that will copy the alias file and then process it. We need to do this since sendmail doesn't like alias files to be in directories that don't meet very specific permission requirements. /home/mailman/data doesn't meet this requirement. Our script will copy the alias file from /home/mailman/data to /etc. It uses a different name in order not to clash with the existing /etc/aliases Create /usr/local/sbin/mailman.aliases with these commands: /bin/cp /home/mailman/data/aliases /etc/mailman.aliases /usr/bin/newaliases 2. We have to tell mailman that it is using postfix. We lie. Add these to mm_cfg.py: MTA='Postfix' POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/bin/sudo /usr/local/sbin/mailman.aliases' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [] 3. We have to tell sendmail about the new alias file. in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc find this line: define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases')dnl and change it to: define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases,/etc/mailman.aliases')dnl Run a make (or otherwise refresh sendmail.cf and then restart sendmail Now when we run newaliases, it will rebuild both alias files. 4. We need permission for apache and mailman to run our script from step 1. In the /etc/sudoers file (use the command /usr/sbin/visudo) we need two lines: apache ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/local/sbin/mailman.aliases mailman ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/local/sbin/mailman.aliases Note that your web server may not run as 'apache' It may run as 'www' or 'nobody'. Whatever it runs as is what you need where it says apache. 5. As mailman, run /home/mailman/bin/genaliases Check for a file /home/mailman/data/aliases and also TWO files /etc/mailman.aliases and /etc/mailman.aliases.db 6. Test creating a list using /home/mailman/bin/newlist Check for the appearance of aliases for that list in /etc/mailman.aliases Add some users and test the list 7. Test for creating a list using http://domain.com/mailman/create Check for the appearance of aliases for that list in /etc/mailman.aliases Add some users and test the list Ed Greenberg edg at greenberg.org 6/19/2004 ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From srb at umich.edu Thu Jan 27 18:35:45 2005 From: srb at umich.edu (Steve Burling) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:35:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing SPAM filters In-Reply-To: <41F82BCC.2060001@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <60E4520BF8CEB84B07E105B1@Hitomi-srb.local> <41F82BCC.2060001@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <5FBD417A28B1C952E9A9B3B6@srb.icpsr.umich.edu> --On January 27, 2005 8:46:20 AM +0900 Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > This bug was fixed in 2.1.6(b2). From the NEWS: > > - Bugs and patches: 955381 (older Python compatibility), > 1020102/1013079/ > 1020013 (fix spam filter removed), 665569 (newer Postfix bounce > detection), 970383 (moderator -1 admin requests pending), ... > > 1020102/1013079/1020013 were the entry numbers in SourceForge Bug/Patch > trackers. > > Sorry for the inconvenience and please try upgrade to 2.1.6b2 from: > http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.6b2.tgz To which I reply: Because I'm a chicken, I just applied the patch to fix this, which Mark Sapiro kindly pointed me to: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1020102&group_id=103&atid=300103 As always, thanks to the group for the great support! -- Steve Burling University of Michigan, ICPSR Voice: +1 734 615.3779 330 Packard Street FAX: +1 734 647.8700 Ann Arbor, MI 48104-2910 From john at wa9als.com Thu Jan 27 19:00:47 2005 From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:00:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanlistinfo without slash References: Message-ID: <003501c5049a$21733440$2201a8c0@105.56.105> > It looks like you may have changed DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN in mm_cfg.py. > Does it have a trailing slash? No, it doesn't - Should it? If so, others don't have it either, e.g. this is how I found things: DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/cgi-bin/mailman' PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/cgi-bin/mailman/private' IMAGE_LOGOS = '/images/mailman/' Thus the first 2 don't and last one does. Should they all have the trailing slash? (Actually I don't need the cgi-bin part, but I'll fix that later after I get the basic problem corrected.) > If this is the problem, after you fix DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN, you need to > run bin/fix_url.py under bin/withlist to fix the list(s). OK, I've added the trailing slash, run fix_url.py using withlist and restarted Mailman, but everything is the same - The link still has "listinfomailman" without the needed slash. Any more ideas? From john at wa9als.com Thu Jan 27 19:03:58 2005 From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:03:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanlistinfo without slash References: Message-ID: <003901c5049a$93a3fe00$2201a8c0@105.56.105> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sapiro" To: "John Fleming" ; Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailmanlistinfo without slash > John Fleming wrote: > > >I haven't seen this mentioned - When I look at the Archives of a list, I get > >the CORRECT message below: > > > >No messages have been posted to this list yet, so the archives are currently > >empty. You can get more information about this list. <----underlined link > > > >The [albeit minor] problem is that the link above is missing a "/" in the > >linked URL like the following example: > >http://www.mydomain.com/cgi-bin/mailmanlistinfo/listname > > > >Note - Should be mailman/listinfo instead of mailmanlistinfo > > > >Can I correct that somewhere? Thanks! - John > > It looks like you may have changed DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN in mm_cfg.py. > Does it have a trailing slash? > > If this is the problem, after you fix DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN, you need to > run bin/fix_url.py under bin/withlist to fix the list(s). Just run > > bin/fix_url.py > > for instructions. - and here's my ScriptAlias in my apache httpd.conf: ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/ From ml at ancalagon.inka.de Thu Jan 27 17:59:31 2005 From: ml at ancalagon.inka.de (Thomas Hochstein) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:59:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Are the "regexps" used in Mailman really RegularExpressions? References: <41F86DA8.5070503@krenim.org> Message-ID: Jeff Groves wrote: > So, if I enter MailingList at foo.org as the address of the list > and I only have mailinglist at foo.org, then Mailman throws a "no implicit address" error. Since the local part of a mail address *is* case sensitive, these *may* be two different addresses (even most (all?) current MTAs don't handle it this way). -thh From teknikl at unixboxes.com Thu Jan 27 22:59:22 2005 From: teknikl at unixboxes.com (Mike Smith) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:59:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't figure out problem, makes no sense. Message-ID: <20050127220257.A56061E4007@bag.python.org> I have read all the postings I could, but this is really weird. apache runs as nobody, so I used --with-cgi-gid=nobody, as I'm supposed to. now I always get this, no matter what I do: Mailman CGI error!!! The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: Failure to find group name nobody. Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the command line option --with-cgi-gid. the group nobody DOES exist. also the user nobody is part of it. no matter what I set the --with-cgi-gid= to, it always says it cant find the group any help? this is day 3 of messing with this :-( system is fedora core 2 with custom built apache2.0.50 w/jrun4.0 and SSL Thanks! Mike Smith From teknikl at unixboxes.com Fri Jan 28 01:16:20 2005 From: teknikl at unixboxes.com (Mike Smith) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:16:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about config.log Message-ID: <20050128001955.D86611E4004@bag.python.org> I posted a problem earlier, and I was wondering, here is an excerpt from my config.log > configure:2623: checking for --with-username > configure:2637: result: mailman > configure:2642: checking for user name "mailman" > configure:2690: result: okay > configure:2695: checking for --with-groupname > configure:2709: result: mailman > configure:2715: checking for group name "mailman" > configure:2763: result: okay > configure:2767: checking permissions on /home/mailman/ > configure:2822: result: okay > configure:2828: checking for mail wrapper group; i.e. --with-mail-gid > configure:2892: result: exim > configure:2896: checking for CGI wrapper group; i.e. --with-cgi-gid > configure:2961: result: mailman > configure:2967: checking for CGI extensions > configure:2982: result: no whats that CGI extensions part? is that necessary? it compiles as normal. -Mike From richard at lamont.me.uk Fri Jan 28 02:26:54 2005 From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:26:54 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Outgoing qrunner looping Message-ID: <200501280126.54829.richard@lamont.me.uk> I admin (voluntarily, for a non-profit .org) a Linux box (Mandrake 9.2) which is running mailman 2.1.2 and postfix. It's a dual 2.6GHz Xeon with 512MB RAM. Its main job is as a web server, but it also runs a few lists. The biggest list has about 400 subscribers, and the total number of posts to all the lists is typically 30 a day. Monthly archives are small and have never exceeded a single index page for any list. The box is lightly loaded. Load averages hover close to zero, and there's very little swapping. Mailman (mailman-2.1.2-9.4.92mdk) has been running quite happily for several months. Suddenly, and inexplicably, the Outgoing qrunner has started hogging all of one of the CPU's cycles. Restarting with mailmanctl makes no difference - it terminates the qrunner processes OK, but when restarted the outgoing one just hogs the CPU again. Upgrading to a more recent version is easier said than done, as there's no more recent Mandrake 9.2 package available and I really don't want to build and configure mailman from source. It nearly killed me the first time and I can't face going through all that again. Why did it break? What should I do? -- Richard Lamont From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Fri Jan 28 02:29:28 2005 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:29:28 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanlistinfo without slash In-Reply-To: <003501c5049a$21733440$2201a8c0@105.56.105> References: <003501c5049a$21733440$2201a8c0@105.56.105> Message-ID: <41F99578.1060705@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, I don't know if this was the right answer but ... John Fleming wrote: > OK, I've added the trailing slash, run fix_url.py using withlist and > restarted Mailman, but everything is the same - The link still has > "listinfomailman" without the needed slash. Any more ideas? The initial pipermail index page is generated when the list is created. So, you must test it by another new list or do rmlist/newlist again. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Fri Jan 28 02:46:18 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:46:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Outgoing qrunner looping In-Reply-To: <200501280126.54829.richard@lamont.me.uk> References: <200501280126.54829.richard@lamont.me.uk> Message-ID: At 1:26 AM +0000 2005-01-28, Richard Lamont wrote: > Mailman (mailman-2.1.2-9.4.92mdk) has been running quite happily for > several months. Suddenly, and inexplicably, the Outgoing qrunner has > started hogging all of one of the CPU's cycles. Restarting with > mailmanctl makes no difference - it terminates the qrunner processes > OK, but when restarted the outgoing one just hogs the CPU again. Did you take a look at ? > Upgrading to a more recent version is easier said than done, as there's > no more recent Mandrake 9.2 package available and I really don't want > to build and configure mailman from source. It nearly killed me the > first time and I can't face going through all that again. > > Why did it break? What should I do? First thing I'd recommend is going to the FAQ Wizard and searching for things like "qrunner" and "performance", searching the archives, etc.... -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From msapiro at value.net Fri Jan 28 03:22:16 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:22:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanlistinfo without slash In-Reply-To: <003501c5049a$21733440$2201a8c0@105.56.105> Message-ID: John Fleming wrote: >> It looks like you may have changed DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN in mm_cfg.py. >> Does it have a trailing slash? > >No, it doesn't - Should it? If so, others don't have it either, e.g. this >is how I found things: > >DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/cgi-bin/mailman' >PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/cgi-bin/mailman/private' >IMAGE_LOGOS = '/images/mailman/' > >Thus the first 2 don't and last one does. Should they all have the trailing >slash? (Actually I don't need the cgi-bin part, but I'll fix that later >after I get the basic problem corrected.) I think it is best if they all do have the trailing slash, but there are many places in Mailman's code where the trailing slash is checked for and added if absent, but clearly not everywhere. >> If this is the problem, after you fix DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN, you need to >> run bin/fix_url.py under bin/withlist to fix the list(s). > >OK, I've added the trailing slash, run fix_url.py using withlist and >restarted Mailman, but everything is the same - The link still has >"listinfomailman" without the needed slash. Any more ideas? As Tokio mentioned in another reply, the archive was probably built with the bad value and now that the list is fixed (assuming that is the fix) the archive needs to be rebuilt. As Tokio also suggested, since there isn't anything in the archive yet, you could remove the list and recreate it (and use config_list to save the settings before deleting and restore them later), but if you have members and they have various different options, etc. it is probably much simpler to just do bin/arch --wipe to recreate the archive. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From john at wa9als.com Fri Jan 28 03:31:41 2005 From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:31:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanlistinfo without slash References: <003501c5049a$21733440$2201a8c0@105.56.105> <41F99578.1060705@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <004b01c504e2$1870e8e0$0100a8c0@wa9als> > John Fleming wrote: > >> OK, I've added the trailing slash, run fix_url.py using withlist and >> restarted Mailman, but everything is the same - The link still has >> "listinfomailman" without the needed slash. Any more ideas? > > The initial pipermail index page is generated when the list is created. > So, you must test it by another new list or do rmlist/newlist again. Thanks, Tokio - I'll test it with a new "test" list. If it appears fixed, and I use rmlist/newlist to recreate each of my lists, will all other parameters (members, privacy settings etc) be retained? Or will I be starting from scratch with each list if I recreate it with newlist? - John -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.6 - Release Date: 1/27/2005 From jwt at onjapan.net Fri Jan 28 03:35:50 2005 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:35:50 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Font customization in Pipermail archives In-Reply-To: <071F408A-6FB0-11D9-A360-000D9337BC48@pixelglow.com> References: <071F408A-6FB0-11D9-A360-000D9337BC48@pixelglow.com> Message-ID: On Jan 27, 2005, at 00:36, Glen Low wrote: > I can add things like Google Adsense code to the > templates/en/article.html template, but as soon as I try to use FONT > tags or STYLE tags, the archiver refuses to subsitute anything -- so > my articles all end up with the % variables in them. Am I doing > something wrong or is this a known problem? Without more details, it is hard to say, but I suspect you are doing something wrong. I use the