[Mailman-Users] Fwd: Bounce action notification

Jared Rimer jrimer at tagline.cc
Fri Nov 4 17:23:15 CET 2005

Great.    I don't have any log access.

At 22:41 11/3/2005, you wrote:
>Jared Rimer wrote:
> >
> >         I don't understand this bounce message.  Which one of these
> >addresses are bouncing?  It disabled the owner again as you'll
> >see.  I'll be looking for responses.  Thanks.
>I'm snipping a lot of stuff out, but Here's what is happening (I
>think). A list post is sent to <joannasimon at sbcglobal.net> and it
>bounces because <joannasimon at sbcglobal.net> does not accept mail from
>addresses not in her address book. In order for the post to be
>accepted, some address, maybe <woodlake_el_school at yahoo.com> (the
>From:) or maybe <woodlake_el_school-bounces at wbby.us> (the envelope
>sender) has to be in her address book. Maybe only a specific one will
>work or maybe either one would work. In any case, that's beside the
>point here.
>The bounce is returned to <woodlake_el_school-bounces at wbby.us> as it
>should be, but the bounce processor doesn't recognize the format so it
>tries to forward the unrecognized bounce to the list owner
><Woodlake_el_school-owner at wbby.us> and from <mailman-bounces at wbby.us>.
>Now at this point I'm unsure, but it looks like Mailman's SMTP
>delivery queued the message directly as a bounce as it will if it gets
>a failure directly from the outgoing MTA.
>The outgoing message then gets queued as a bounce for
><Woodlake_el_school-owner at wbby.us>. BounceRunner claims to recognize
>this case, but I'm not clear on exactly how it scores this for
><woodlake_el_school at yahoo.com>, but it appears that it does. This
>happens enough times to disable the member and the disable gets sent
>from <mailman at wbby.us> and envelope sender
><mailman-bounces at idea5.anoeticconcepts.com> to
><Woodlake_el_school-owner at wbby.us> and it ultimately is delivered to
><jrimer at tagline.cc> who is apparently an owner.
>Here's the final bounce action notification saying
><woodlake_el_school at yahoo.com> has been disabled.
> >>X-Persona: <tagline account>
> >>Received: (qmail 10256 invoked by uid 89); 4 Nov 2005 03:22:39 -0000
> >>Received: from idea5.anoeticconcepts.com (
> >>   by 0 with SMTP; 4 Nov 2005 03:22:39 -0000
> >>Received: from localhost ([] helo=idea5.anoeticconcepts.com)
> >>         by idea5.anoeticconcepts.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52)
> >>         id 1EXs9x-00020H-CN
> >>         for jrimer at tagline.cc; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:22:33 -0600
> >>Received: from localhost ([] helo=idea5.anoeticconcepts.com)
> >>         by idea5.anoeticconcepts.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52)
> >>         id 1EXs9w-000208-4M
> >>         for Woodlake_el_school-owner at wbby.us; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 
> 21:22:32 -0600
> >>Subject: Bounce action notification
> >>From: mailman at wbby.us
> >>To: Woodlake_el_school-owner at wbby.us
> >>MIME-Version: 1.0
> >>Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0904254664=="
> >>Message-ID: <mailman.1.1131074551.10650.woodlake_el_school_wbby.us at wbby.us>
> >>Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:22:31 -0600
> >>Precedence: bulk
> >>X-BeenThere: Woodlake_el_school at wbby.us
> >>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6
> >>List-Id: <woodlake_el_school_wbby.us.wbby.us>
> >>X-List-Administrivia: yes
> >>Sender: mailman-bounces at idea5.anoeticconcepts.com
> >>Errors-To: mailman-bounces at idea5.anoeticconcepts.com
> >>X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it
> >>with any abuse report
> >>X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - idea5.anoeticconcepts.com
> >>X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - tagline.cc
> >>X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12]
> >>X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - idea5.anoeticconcepts.com
> >>X-Source:
> >>X-Source-Args:
> >>X-Source-Dir:
> >>X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on 
> wmailapp7-l3.webley
> >>X-Spam-Level:
> >>X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME
> >>         autolearn=no version=3.0.3
> >>
> >>This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:
> >>
> >>     List:       Woodlake_el_school
> >>     Member:     woodlake_el_school at yahoo.com
> >>     Action:     Subscription disabled.
> >>     Reason:     Excessive or fatal bounces.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>The triggering bounce notice is attached below.
> >>
> >>Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at mailman at wbby.us.
> >>
>This is the attached, triggering bounce, which was apparently queued
>directly as a bounce during attempted delivery because there are no
>received headers. It is a typical Uncaught bounce notification that
>for some reason was itself undeliverable at the Mailman to Exim stage.
>To see why, you need to look at Exim logs or Mailman's smtp-failure
>log for entries around Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:08:53 -0600.
> >>Subject: Uncaught bounce notification
> >>From: mailman-bounces at wbby.us
> >>To: Woodlake_el_school-owner at wbby.us
> >>MIME-Version: 1.0
> >>Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0800201456=="
> >>Message-ID: <mailman.0.1131073733.10646.woodlake_el_school_wbby.us at wbby.us>
> >>Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:08:53 -0600
> >>Precedence: bulk
> >>X-BeenThere: Woodlake_el_school at wbby.us
> >>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6
> >>List-Id: <woodlake_el_school_wbby.us.wbby.us>
> >>X-List-Administrivia: yes
> >>Sender: mailman-bounces at wbby.us
> >>Errors-To: mailman-bounces at wbby.us
> >>
> >>The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
> >>format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
> >>from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all
> >>unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).
>The rest of this message including attached bounce is snipped.
>Why is this message undeliverable to <Woodlake_el_school-owner at wbby.us>
>when the disable notice is delivered successfully to the same address?
>The logs will say for sure, but what I see is the envelope sender is
>different. Here it is <mailman-bounces at wbby.us> (a virtual domain) and
>in the disable notice it is
><mailman-bounces at idea5.anoeticconcepts.com> (the main host domain?).
>Perhaps Exim is configured in such a way that it doesn't accept mail
>from <mailman-bounces at wbby.us>, although it does accept mail from
><Woodlake_el_school-bounces at wbby.us> as evidenced by the original post.
>You need to see the log entries to know for sure what the problem is.
>Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
>San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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