[Mailman-Users] Pls help debug mm-postfix disconnect. Thanks.

Hugh Esco he at reclaimedcomputers.ca
Tue Feb 14 04:07:47 CET 2006

I vetted the held message and it was posted to the archives,
but still no message sent to the listmembers.

[06:23:22]<root at www1:/u/d/devmm/mailman> ls logs/ -lt
total 32
-rw-rw-r--  1 devmm  devmm  244 Feb 13 14:06 vette
-rw-rw-r--  1 devmm  devmm 3955 Feb  9 15:42 error
-rw-rw-r--  1 apache devmm 3543 Jan  8 00:52 subscribe
-rw-rw-r--  1 devmm  devmm   89 Dec 21 14:53 bounce
-rw-rw-r--  1 devmm  devmm  172 Dec 21 14:38 post
-rw-rw-r--  1 devmm  devmm 3339 Dec 21 14:38 qrunner
-rw-rw-r--  1 devmm  devmm  141 Dec 21 14:38 smtp
-rw-rw-r--  1 devmm  devmm  580 Dec 21 14:38 smtp-failure

[06:27:57]<root at www1:/u/d/devmm/mailman> ls qfiles/out/ | wc -l

[06:28:06]<root at www1:/u/d/devmm/mailman> ls qfiles/retry/ | wc -l

[06:28:19]<root at www1:/u/d/devmm/mailman> ls qfiles/ -lt
total 9
drwxrws---  2 devmm devmm   48 Feb 13 14:06 archive
drwxrws---  2 devmm devmm   48 Feb 13 14:06 in
drwxrws---  2 devmm devmm 9488 Feb 13 14:06 out
drwxrws---  2 devmm devmm   48 Feb 13 08:00 virgin
drwxrws---  2 devmm devmm   48 Dec 21 00:42 retry
drwxrws---  2 devmm devmm   48 Dec 21 00:42 bounces
drwxrws---  2 devmm devmm   48 Dec 21 00:42 commands
drwxrws---  2 devmm devmm   48 Dec 21 00:42 news
drwxrws---  2 devmm devmm   48 Dec 21 00:42 shunt

Seems to me things are stuck in the outbound que before they 
get to postfix.  My tests were run today.

-- Hugh 

Begin forwarded message:

Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:09:09 -0800
From: Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>
To: Patrick Bogen <pdbogen at gmail.com>, Hugh Esco <he at reclaimedcomputers.ca>
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Pls help debug mm-postfix disconnect. Thanks.

Patrick Bogen wrote:

>I don't know postfix very well, but the points that I'd look at are:
>Is a newline and whitespace the proper separate for separate entries
>in alias_maps, virtual_alias_domains, and virtual_alias_maps?
>Are the permissions on alias_maps correct?

I don't think any of this matters because the problem is with outgoing
mail. These all have to do with delivering incoming mail to Mailman
which is working as posts are reaching the archive.

>Do the mailman logs show anything interesting?

Good question.

>On 2/13/06, Hugh Esco <he at reclaimedcomputers.ca> wrote:
>> This mailman instance is giving me fits.  It is one of four mailman installations on this server and at least one of them has been in active use since December.  I created this one in January, my test posts show up in the online archives.  But no mail seems to be getting off the server -- from this mailman installation, even as mail sent from the command line and mail sent with the Leyland list is getting out.  The MTA is postfix.
>> All my qrunners seem to be running:


>> My MTA's logs seem useless on this point:
>> [02:15:31]<root at www1:/u/d/devmm/mailman> ls /var/log/postfix/ -lt
>> total 0
>> -rwxr-x---  1 postfix postfix 0 Dec 14 04:42 errorlog
>> -rwxr-x---  1 postfix postfix 0 Dec 14 04:41 maillog

So there's nothing at all in the Postfix logs? Not even a startup
message? Are you sure these are the right logs?

Check Mailman's post, smtp and smtp-failure logs. In particular, if
smtp says "smtp for n recips, completed" the post was given to the MTA
and it's out of Mailman's hands.

Is there anything im Mailman's error log? Is anything in qfiles/out/ or


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