[Mailman-Users] mailman + Postfix - posts appear in archive but arenot delivered

Michael McAndrew michaelmcandrew at gmail.com
Thu May 11 18:34:33 CEST 2006

Yes, you are right - it was a remote problem.  I was put off the scent
because all three mail servers I was sending to silently rejected the
email.  I added an email with from a 4th different server and it succeeded.

Even though the problem occured 'outside' of my server, I'm sure a solution
can be found within it.

Here are the headers from the email that got through.  Do they give you any
clues as to why it was rejected by the others?

Return-Path: <vaw-staff-bounces at list.vawcvs.org>
Delivery-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:35:12 +0200
Received-SPF: none (mxeu1: is neither permitted nor denied
by domain of list.vawcvs.org) client-ip=; envelope-from=
vaw-staff-bounces at list.vawcvs.org; helo=list.vawcvs.org;
Received: from [] (helo=list.vawcvs.org)
    by mx.kundenserver.de (node=mxeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis),
    id 0MKpV6-1FeDC41ASD-00016j for info at thirdsectordesign.org; Thu, 11 May
2006 17:35:12 +0200
Received: from list.vawcvs.org (list.vawcvs.org [])
    by list.vawcvs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA08BD8197;
    Thu, 11 May 2006 16:35:06 +0100 (BST)
X-Original-To: vaw-staff at list.vawcvs.org
Delivered-To: vaw-staff at list.vawcvs.org
Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [])
    by list.vawcvs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4673BD8197
    for <vaw-staff at list.vawcvs.org>; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:35:05 +0100 (BST)
Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 18so250453nzp
    for <vaw-staff at list.vawcvs.org>; Thu, 11 May 2006 08:35:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by with SMTP id u53mr978874nzh;
    Thu, 11 May 2006 08:35:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 08:35:04 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <4b58d51b0605110835j717a84b1sf8555336da631b0a at mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:35:04 +0100
From: "Michael McAndrew" <michaelmcandrew at gmail.com>
To: vaw-staff at list.vawcvs.org
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: [VAW staff] Please email michaelmcandrew at gmail.com if you receive
    this message.
X-BeenThere: vaw-staff at list.vawcvs.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7
Precedence: list
List-Id: <vaw-staff.list.vawcvs.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://list.vawcvs.org/mailman/listinfo/vaw-staff>,
    <mailto:vaw-staff-request at list.vawcvs.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://list.vawcvs.org/pipermail/vaw-staff>
List-Post: <mailto:vaw-staff at list.vawcvs.org>
List-Help: <mailto:vaw-staff-request at list.vawcvs.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://list.vawcvs.org/mailman/listinfo/vaw-staff>,
    <mailto:vaw-staff-request at list.vawcvs.org?subject=subscribe>
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1733620005=="
Sender: vaw-staff-bounces at list.vawcvs.org
Errors-To: vaw-staff-bounces at list.vawcvs.org
Envelope-To: info at thirdsectordesign.org
X-NAS-Classification: 0
X-NAS-MessageID: 8
X-NAS-Validation: {A2AF7F64-406D-45BA-AC23-F071B8419E46}

And in case it's of any use, the servers that failed are gmail's mail
server, and one operating on Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service, Version:
6.0.3790.1830.  And the one that succeeded was called "(mxeu14) Welcome to
Nemesis ESMTP server."

Many thanks again,

On 5/11/06, Mark Sapiro < msapiro at value.net> wrote:
> Michael McAndrew wrote:
> >
> >But, when an email is posted
> >to a list, it is not received by recipients.  It is placed in the Mailman
> >archive, though, and there are no obvious signs of trouble in the logs
> I've
> >looked in.
> >
> >Everything seems normal in mailman's SMTP log:
> >May 11 13:11:40 2006 (2237) <
> >mailman.3.1147349497.2235.michael at list.vawcvs.org > smtp to michael for 1
> >recips, completed in 0.038 seconds
> This says it was successfully delivered to Postfix.
> >And as far as I can tell, Postfix hasn't had any problems either (from
> >Postfix's maillog):
> >May 11 13:11:42 list postfix/smtp[10675]: 33504BD81B5: to=<
> >michaelmcandrew at gmail.com>, relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[
> ],
> >delay=2, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK 1147349502 c28si796656nfb)
> >May 11 13:11:42 list postfix/qmgr[10493]: 33504BD81B5: removed
> And Postfix is saying it sent the mail to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com
> for michaelmcandrew at gmail.com and received confirmation (250 2.0.0 OK
> 1147349502 c28si796656nfb) from that server.
> >But still, the email doesn't reach the recipients.  I'm pretty sure it
> isn't
> >a problem with communication between the server and the destination email
> >account, as I can successfully send them an email using telnet to access
> >Postfix on the mailing list server.
> >
> >The mailing list used in the example above was created with bin/newlist
> >command, with no extra configuration.  I have a number of other lists set
> >up, but the  problem is repeated with all of them.  I would put it down
> to a
> >problem outside mailman, but the thing is that the mailman admin emails
> get
> >through.
> It definitely seems to be outside of Mailman and even your local
> Postfix. Since it only affects posts, it seems it must have something
> to do specifically with the sender, headers or body of the post itself.
> One thing that may be different is the envelope sender if you are using
> Mailman virtual hosts. In this case, (un-VERPed) list mail will have
> an envelope sender of listname-bounces at list.domain , but some
> administrative messages may be sent by
> mailman-bounces at DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST. See
> <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2006-April/050706.html >
> which is not exactly relevant to your situation, but may be
> interesting.
> --
> Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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