[Mailman-Users] Internet Service Providers and Spam

Phil usps paa at usps.org
Sun May 14 20:15:18 CEST 2006


Thank you for your insightful response. Still trying to work with the ISP 

Thanks again, Phil

Philip Arcuni
Chairman, Information Technology Committee
United States Power Squadrons

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Knowles" <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
To: "Phil usps" <paa at usps.org>
Cc: "Users List Mailman" <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Internet Service Providers and Spam

> At 9:08 AM -0400 2006-05-09, Phil usps wrote:
>>  We are in the middle of a contest with a very large, popular, and
>>  well-established ISP, who insists on declaring as spam, any message sent 
>> to
>>  more than 100 of its customers. Since it is "spam", it is automatically
>>  bounced, and hundreds of our list members not only do not receive the
>>  message, the Mailman bounce features handle the bounce action as 
>> instructed.
>>  This can lead to "disable" or "discard".
> All your attempts to work around this problem are likely to result in more 
> pain and hassle for you.  If the messages are legitimate, you need to work 
> with the ISP in question.  If they refuse to do that, then cut them loose 
> and tell everyone who is a customer of that ISP that they are not welcome 
> on your lists.
> If you do anything else, said ISP is likely to consider your efforts to be 
> the same as any regular spammer that tries to by-pass their anti-spam 
> efforts, and will treat this as proof that you are, in fact, spamming 
> their members.
> Yes, this includes AOL, Yahoo!, hotmail, and all the others.
> Yes, I was Sr. Internet Mail Administrator for AOL, and I have personal 
> experience from the other side.  I know how they work. That's part of why 
> I don't work there anymore.
> -- 
> Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
>     -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
>     Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755
>  LOPSA member since December 2005.  See <http://www.lopsa.org/>.

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