[Mailman-Users] Versions? Roadmap?
brad at stop.mail-abuse.org
Mon May 15 17:37:46 CEST 2006
At 3:34 PM +0100 2006-05-15, David Lee wrote:
> Is there a Roadmap for future mailman releases?
There is some information at <http://www.list.org/devs.html>,
but I think most of the recent activity has been over at
> The current version seems to be 2.1.8.
Correct. And I imagine there might be a 2.1.9 sometime in the
> However I've seen talk in archives
> about a 2.2.x and a "Mailman 3".
Barry, Tokio, Mark and others have been talking about various
things for various versions for a long time. Barry is primarily
focused on Mailman3, but I believe that Tokio and Mark may have some
stuff that they're looking at putting into a potential 2.2.x version
that would be released sooner.
> I've found the "Mailman-3-dev" archives
> but that seems to have been dormant for nearly a year (since July 2005).
Activity has been going on off-list (especially at "sprints" that
are held at Python conferences), but the list itself has not been
very active lately. I'm pretty sure that Barry has been swamped with
his "real" job, and hasn't had a whole lot of time to document some
of the work he's been doing.
> Although we are new (two weeks) to Mailman, we have a few queries about
> things we cannot find in 2.1.x. A Roadmap would show us (and other
> potential site-admins) what features might already be under consideration.
Regretfully, when it comes to a clear roadmap for future
versions, there's not much in the way of consolidated documentation
that I know of.
Basically, you bug Barry, Tokio, and/or Mark, and then one or the
other gets around to updating some documentation somewhere as to what
they currently have in mind, or maybe they just post something to the
list and one of the non-developers (like me) gets to take that and
try to turn that into some useful documentation somewhere.
> o true virtual hosting: same listname @ many domains;
That is being worked on. There are people who have virtual
hosting implementations that they have developed for themselves, and
there's even a "virtual host" patch that has been uploaded to the
SourceForge Mailman patch page. The patch is pretty old and not
really a complete solution to the problem, but this is an area of
active development by the community.
My hope is that the next generation of this work will be
completed soon and appropriate patches uploaded to the SourceForge
pages, as well as being incorporated into an upcoming version of
Mailman (either 2.1.9 or 2.2.x, depending on how massive the changes
> o "corporate branding" of Mailman pages.
There's a certain amount of this that can already be done by
editing the page templates. I'd encourage you to search the FAQ
Wizard and the archives of the list.
There is a limit to how much you can do easily, however. The
more extensive the changes you want, the more likely you are to need
to make actual source code modifications to achieve the look you
> We could dabble in the possibility of contributing code to some of these.
If you want to talk about coding opportunities for Mailman, then
the mailman-developers list may be a better place to do that.
Operational questions are appropriate for mailman-users, but if
you're talking about actual code that you've developed, that's the
domain of mailman-developers.
> But any such work would need to be on something reasonably active with a
> realistic release schedule (we once, many years back, began doing things
> in Majordomo-2 only for that to stall and stall...).
Mailman has not been as active as it could be, but with
additional core developers being brought online, allowing Tokio and
Mark to focus on the 2.x tree while Barry works on Mailman3, I think
we've been doing a lot better.
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