[Mailman-Users] Firefox password issue (was: Re: Hijacking threads and netiquette ... )

David Dyer-Bennet dd-b at dd-b.net
Wed Sep 6 00:01:39 CEST 2006

On 9/5/06, Brad Knowles <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote:
> At 3:56 PM -0500 2006-09-05, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
> >  Thanks to everybody for their assistance working out what was going on
> >  here.  I apologize for the heat I contributed to the discussion (while
> >  pleading in extenuation that I was provoked).
> There was certainly a communications breakdown, yes.  And we did
> start off by going down a rathole as a result of an accident,
> although we did wind up taking this thread back onto your topic which
> was intended to be original.

And we got back on track partly because we both were stubborn, rather
than giving up or degenerating into a flamewar.  I have seen worse
outcomes, even if this wasn't perfectly optimum.

> However, while you may have felt like you were being provoked, you
> should know that I certainly did not intend to provoke you, and I
> don't believe that anyone else did, either.  I believe it was an
> honest miscommunication, which was piled on top of some unfortunate
> previous problems, and that set us up into a pattern which became
> mutually non-productive.

Sometimes tone doesn't come across to the reader as it was intended by
the writer, even when they're from the same culture and both
(seemingly) pretty decent writers and readers.   I'm not interested in
accusing you of doing anything counter-productive deliberately.  If I
wasn't reading it the way you were trying to write it, I'll happily
chalk it up to "one of those things" that we both contributed to, and
move on.

The important thing is that the original Firefox issue was brought to
a useful conclusion, and that it was done without (I hope) excessive
cost in wasted time or ongoing hostilities.

> I will apologize for anything I may have said which came across as
> being provocational in nature, and assume that you (and others) would
> do the same.

I feel no need to go into detail on what I saw that way along the way;
and hope you feel the same about my own posts in this discussion.  And
I accept and thank you for the general apology.  (My apology is in the
previous message, the one you are responding to, so please nobody
think I'm accepting apologies without offering my own!)

> There may still be some minor technical issues that can/should
> continue to be discussed, and if so then I hope we will be able to do
> that without getting back into this pattern.

That would very much be my preference.

I've posted the FAQ entry, and updated the Mailman feature request
with the information on the Firefox bug entry.  I suppose it would be
useful to test a few more browsers carefully to see which ones do what
here.  I also haven't tried the 2.0 beta, to see if the fix really
does fix this.
David Dyer-Bennet, <mailto:dd-b at dd-b.net>, <http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/>
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