[Mailman-Users] AOL's "Client TOS Notification"

Krystal Zipfel krystalzip at yahoo.com
Sun Jul 15 00:27:43 CEST 2007

Remember, AOL is not the only "retarded" ISP out there.

Working for a web hosting company, I see this happen all the time. AOL is notorious, but so is Comcast, Bellsouth, and Verizon (to name a few).

but hey, if it wasn't for Spam and horrible ISP's that block everyone except themselves... think of how many jobs would be lost? :-)

----- Original Message ----
From: Larry Stone <lstone19 at stonejongleux.com>
To: Mailman <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 5:51:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL's "Client TOS Notification"

On 7/14/07 3:53 PM, Dave Dewey at ddewey at cyberthugs.com wrote:

> Quoting Ralf Hildebrandt (Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de):
>> * Rick Pasotto <rick at niof.net>:
>>> I have recently been getting some of these from one of my mailing lists.
>> Welcome to the wonderful world of AOL retards.
>>> There is nothing in it (that I've been able to see) that would tell me
>>> who the user is that is rejecting the email. There are several AOL
>>> addresses subscribed but only one rejection each time a mailing goes out.
>> Do you use VERP to send out the mails? If you do that you can see who
>> the culprit is.
> VERP doesn't work any longer for these, as of a couple months ago.
> They now redact ALL information that can be used to identify the
> user, including verp'd addresses.

That's unfortunate. At this point, what's the point of getting them if they
won't give you any useful information as to who doesn't want the list mail
they requested.

But it's always been clear that AOL assumes everyone outside is a spammer.
They probably can't get their minds around the idea that some of their own
customers subscribe to lists and then mark them as spam when they no longer
want them rather than properly unsubscribing. And that we, as responsible
list owners, want to get them off our lists.

I know some will disagree but if it comes to it, then I just make it clear
that I don't accept AOL users as subscribers. If they want to subscribe,
they will have to do so from a "real" ISP.

> Messageid still works, for whatever reason it's the one piece of
> header info that isn't redacted at this point.

Larry Stone
lstone19 at stonejongleux.com

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