[Mailman-Users] Ongoing delivery issues - First Yahoo, now AOL
Matt Morgan
minxmertzmomo at gmail.com
Sat Mar 8 15:07:50 CET 2008
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> Rick Harris wrote:
> >
> >I posted a couple of weeks ago regarding mail not being delivered to Yahoo
> >addresses. I've all but written that off as an Internet black hole.
> >Messages from my list almost never make it to Yahoo recipients. If I post
> >to the list, and cc a Yahoo address, then that works fine. Background noise
> >only, none of this matters today.
>
>
> Since your original post on this issue, I have looked at my maillog and
> I see lots of these
>
> host e.mx.mail.yahoo.com[216.39.53.1] refused to talk to me: 421 4.7.0
> [TS01] Messages from 72.52.113.16 temporarily deferred due to user
> complaints - 4.16.55.1; see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/421-ts01.html
>
> type messages (3500 in the last month, but only 46 in the last 5 days).
> I also get lots of
>
> host g.mx.mail.yahoo.com[206.190.53.191] said: 451 Message temporarily
> deferred - [250] (in reply to end of DATA command)
>
> and
>
> host c.mx.mail.yahoo.com[216.39.53.3] said: 421 Message temporarily
> deferred - 4.16.51. Please refer to
> http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/defer/defer-06.html (in reply to
> end of DATA command)
>
> and
>
> host c.mx.mail.yahoo.com[68.142.237.182] refused to talk to me: 421
> Message temporarily deferred - 4.16.55.1. Please refer to
> http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/defer/defer-06.html
This is greylisting:
http://greylisting.org
in which the receiving MTA responds with a temporary failure to
suspicious or unknown senders. It kills a lot of spam, because most
spam is sent by non-compliant MTAs that don't bother retrying.
> The important thing is that in my case at least, every one of these is
> successfully retried, either immediately via a different MX or after 1
> or a few delayed retries. All of these messages were eventually
> accepted by Yahoo and I have gotten zero complaints of missing mail
> from Yahoo list members.
>
> Perhaps there is some issue with your outbound MTA not retrying these
> 421 and 451 status returns.
Ditto. Rick, are you in charge of your MTA? One way or another, you
should figure out how your MTA handles temporary failures and retries.
--Matt
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