[Mailman-Users] slightly OT: on not becoming a spam source

[David Newman]

On 5/28/08 8:43 PM, Larry Stone wrote:
> On 5/28/08 9:26 PM, David Newman at dnewman at networktest.com wrote:
> 
>>> Another is to enable VERP for your outgoing messages, this allows
>>> you to track the message ID to the individual user.
>> That sounds very promising, thanks. Trying it now...
> 
> I have all my lists VERPed for just that reason. Once I figure out who it
> is, they get unsubscribed with extreme prejudice (meaning they also get
> banned from the mail server). But you should be aware that will increase
> your outgoing mail load. Nothing I do is high enough frequency for that to
> be an issue but it can be for some people.
> 
> Most of my lists are announcement lists. In fact, for some of them, the
> recipients aren't even aware it's a mailing list. I (as a side job) assign
> soccer referees for local leagues. Rather than sending out announcements to
> my referees with a long BCC: list, I add them to a private mailman list with
> VERP so they receive them with them as the To: recipient. That also lets me
> know who to remove when they decide that the easiest way to let me know that
> they're no longer interested in being notified of available games is to do a
> "report as spam". :-(
> 

OK, I've enabled VERP but I'm no closer to isolating who's complaining 
in AOL-land.

Possibly this is some VERP config error on my part. I added the 
following to mm_cfg.py and rebooted:

VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = Yes
VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes
VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = Yes
VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes
VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1

The next AOL feedback report contained a unique Message-ID, as always.

grep'ing for that ID in /usr/local/mailman/logs tells me only that the 
message was delivered to 250 recipients in 65 seconds.

grep'ing for that ID in /var/log/maillog produces a lot more output -- 
in fact, still one entry per mailing list subscriber. I've pasted one 
example below (addresses redacted); there are 250 of these in maillog.

So, back to the original question: How to associate one message-ID with 
one subscriber?

Many thanks

dn



May 29 10:01:22 mail amavis[24936]: (24936-17) Passed CLEAN, LOCAL 
[127.0.0.1] [
207.178.164.26] <members-bounces+user=example.com at mylist.org> -> 
<user at example.com>, Message-ID: 
<627766.37361.qm at web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, mail_id
: KdgO9YwQBfML, Hits: -2.403, size: 18328, queued_as: 482E25B31D5, 12089 ms
May 29 10:01:22 mail postfix/cleanup[26083]: 913255B31D7: 
message-id=<627766.373
61.qm at web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
May 29 10:01:22 mail postfix/cleanup[31531]: BE4745B31D8: 
message-id=<627766.373
61.qm at web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
May 29 10:01:22 mail postfix/cleanup[26083]: D9C2E5B31D9: 
message-id=<627766.373
61.qm at web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
May 29 10:01:23 mail postfix/cleanup[31531]: 47F645B31DA: 
message-id=<627766.373
61.qm at web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
May 29 10:01:23 mail postfix/cleanup[26083]: 6E0D65B31DB: 
message-id=<627766.373
61.qm at web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
May 29 10:01:23 mail postfix/cleanup[31531]: 876B85B31DC: 
message-id=<627766.373
61.qm at web38905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>