[Mailman-Users] Multi list management ..

Khalil Abbas khillo100 at hotmail.com
Mon Sep 8 02:05:08 CEST 2008

oh man! just to let you know.. I already cancelled from godaddy and bought a new server from Theplanet.com.. for they do not limit the amount of outgoing emails per day on dedicated servers like godaddy does.. I used to pay too much for 3 dedicated servers with godaddy!!
one more thing, I WILL NOT USE MAILMAN! ARE YOU HAPPY?? I'll use PHPlist for it's way more efficient than mailman and supports mysql!!
ps. : I forgive you all.. and please forgive me .. sorry if I've been harsh or something ..

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:56:18 -0400From: krystalzip at gmail.comTo: khillo100 at hotmail.comSubject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management ..
It doesn't matter if it's five, five hundred, or five thousand. It also doesn't have anything to do with your believes, our believes, or the people you are contacting. It has everything to do with host policy and law.If your users do not opt in, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MASS ANYTHING, BUT A USER REQUESTING TO BE A MEMBER OF YOUR NEWSLETTER, then you are spamming them, PERIOD.Now, all you could do is quit arguing the point and put all of us administrators at rest by QUICKLY (no books please) assuring us that you are not a spammer so we do not (and Brad is ABSOLUTELY right to do so) report and are more willing to answer your question.If this is to hard, then I for one am sick of hearing this complaining about religion and believes. Get over yourself please.Ok, back to my real self. Have a nice night!Krystal
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Khalil Abbas <khillo100 at hotmail.com> wrote:
who said it's 5000 subscribers a day??? if I really did say this it's by mistake.. I meant 500 (5 Hundred) a day!and please, leave the type of mailing aside, if you're a non believer don't offend other people, I didn't try to shove my beliefs into your faces and I was really offended with what you said about religion..besides, I'm using the mass remove and mass subscribe features because I have multiple lists and I'm using 1 email for subscribing and 1 email for removals then collect all the emails sent to these addresses and subscribe or remove them from all the lists in order to avoid double subscriptions.. many users in my list send messages by mistake to the subscribe email ..also my dear I've been running this list for over 3 years now and this number of subscribers didn't get there easy..I'm sorry for all the fuss I've created by my simple request .. > From: vancleef at lostwells.net> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management ..> To: khillo100 at hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:27:11 -0600> CC: brad at shub-internet.org; mailman-users at python.org> > The esteemed Khalil Abbas has said:> > > > > > Dear Brad,> > > > first of all, godaddy has a very very strict policy against spamming, you can read about it in their website.. if they noticed the least of bounces they would terminate your whole server .. besides, my list is OPT-IN and I never use the mass subscribe feature unless I want to move people from one list to another ..> > > > second, what I meant was: each subscriber likes the service so much that he sends it to his friends, and his friends like it so much that most of them subscribe.. for the service is very cool, a single line of quote that is never hard to read with great wisdom and benefit .. Third, you should think better of people, religious ! messages is not about bugging other people it's about teaching them not to disturb other people ..Thanks..> > GOD FORGIVES..> > > Khalil Abbas:> > The more you protest in mails to this list, the more you come across> as a spammer, pure and simple. > > Your original description:> > "the problem is, everyday I have to MASS-REMOVE the list of addresses> that wants to cancel on all the small lists .. as well as have to > MASS-SUBSCRIBE the list of new subscriptions on all of the small lists > which is getting really exhausting especially that my list is growing > very fast (sometimes 5000+ subscribers a day) and I have to open a new > small list every like 50 or 60 new thousand subscribers .."> > Mass-subscribe isn't "opt-in" by any stretch of the imagination. And> having to mass-remove those who protest simply acknowledges that> people don't like to be spammed. Beyond which, many users are taught> that responding to spammers will simply validate their e-mail and> produce more ! spam. 5000+ new subscribers a day says to me loud and> clear that youare harvesting e-mail addresses from somewhere, or> several somewheres. That's junk mail quantities. I live in a 9900> square mile county where every e-mail address in the county would be> subscribed in 2-3 days at that rate. All of New York City might take a > couple of weeks. A demographic of 250K "qualified buyers" comes> across as an order of magnitude (i.e. 10 times) larger than anything> I'd expect without clear-cut proof.> > Add to that the subject matter you are mailing. I am an old bull> (mid-70's), and if there are is a red flag that gets the old bull's> attention, it's religious mailings of any type. Politics rates a> distant second. > > Don't bother talking to me about thinking better of people, forgiving> gods, etc. when your description is of "religious messages is not> about bugging other people it's about teaching them not to disturb > other people," and your methodology is to mass e-mail them with these> mailings.> > In short, the more you post, the less I'm! inclined to believe that you> are running anything other than a spam operation. I may not know> everything, but as the late Red Skelton said, "I calls them the way I> sees them."> > Hank_________________________________________________________________See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life.http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/------------------------------------------------------Mailman-Users mailing listMailman-Users at python.orghttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-usersMailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/zipfel%40greenacrestechnology.comSecurity Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
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