[Mailman-Users] Error running bin/mailmanctl restart

Paul Kleeberg paul at FPEN.ORG
Thu Dec 17 20:21:35 CET 2009

I am ready to tear my hair out.

Thanks to Mark, I got mailman up and running except for one minor hitch.  In my log file I see an endless stream of:

	12/17/09 11:56:49 AM com.apple.launchd[1] (org.list.mailmanctl) Throttling respawn: Will start in 10 seconds 
	12/17/09 11:57:00 AM com.apple.launchd[1] (org.list.mailmanctl) Throttling respawn: Will start in 10 seconds 

Searching the archives, I found this (The thread starts at http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg53952.html):

> The only difference between my org.list.mailmanctl.plist and Apple's is my verb *start*, as opposed to Apple's *startf*. I'm baffled by *startf*, which is not supported by mailman and does nothing, either in the CLI or in org.list.mailmanctl.plist.

Further on down in the messages I read:

> I just caught that Bryan notes that he receives an "endless succession" of those messages where as I see one and that's it.
> Comparing our launchd .plist files, I see a few differences:
> Bryan:
>         <key>OnDemand</key>
>         <false/>
> Me:
>         <key>OnDemand</key>
>         <true/>
>         <key>RunAtLoad</key>
>         <true/>

So I made that change to /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/org.list.mailmanctl.plist.

Everything appeared to work fine, web interface works, creating a list works but qrunner does not to appear to start on bootup.  it appears that I now have to manually run:

  sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start

to get mailman to start.  That concerns me.  I need to know how to get it to start on boot and how to restart itself if it dies.

When this is all done, I would be happy to summarize what I learned for http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030530.

Paul Kleeberg
paul at fpen.org

On Dec 17, 2009, at 9:35 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Paul Kleeberg wrote:
>> and get the following error:
>> 	***** Installation directory /var/mailman is not configured properly!
>> 	***** Directory must be owned by group _mailman: /var/mailman 
>> /var/mailman is has the settings root:wheel while the files inside are root:_mailman.
>> Do I need to change the group of the /var/mailman directory for the install?  I know that change is probably not significant, but I an not sure enough of my knowledge to know.
> It is only significant to configure in your case, but configure whant
> the prefix and var_prefix directories to be SETGID and Mailman's group
> so that subordinates created by make install will be the same.
> When you originally asked about this off line, I thought what you had
> would be OK because it was a working installation, but apparently it
> only works for Apple :(
> You need to
> chgrp _mailman /var/mailman
> chmod g+s /var/mailman
> to make configure happy. The prefix directory (/usr/share/mailman in
> your case) needs to be the same.
>> Once I get this right, I plan on upgrading a 10.6.2 production server running 2.1.12rc1 to 2.1.12.
> FYI, 2.1.13rc1 is released and 2.1.13 final will be released next week
> barring the unexpected. It fixes several minor bugs in 2.1.12.
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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