From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct  1 01:25:50 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:25:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "mailmanctl status" question...
In-Reply-To: <309B9E44-AA2E-4218-A8AB-6A46EDADC564@python.org>
Message-ID: <PC192200909301625500078710f2540@msapiro>

Barry Warsaw wrote:
>
>On Sep 30, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Troy Campbell wrote:
>
>> I'm starting an install of "mailman" but have not created the  
>> "newlist"
>> or started mailman but decided to test the status script and getting
>> the following:
>>
>> [root at request1 ~]# /etc/init.d/mailman status
>> Warning!  You may encounter permission problems.
>> [root at request1 ~]# echo $?
>> 0
>>
>> My question is should the status below be non-zero?
>
>I think so, yes.  It's a warning, not an error.


Please note that the /etc/init.d/mailman that supports the 'status'
argument is provided by RedHat as part of their Mailman package.

The suggested init.d script provided by the Mailman project is
installed by our install process as scripts/mailman with the intent
that it will be reviewed by the site and moved or copied to
/etc/init.d or whatever directory is appropriate. It supports only
'start', 'stop' and 'restart' as arguments.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From knabe at 4j.lane.edu  Thu Oct  1 16:55:34 2009
From: knabe at 4j.lane.edu (Troy Knabe)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:55:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages Being Delayed
Message-ID: <22BF249E-5408-4A0F-86A1-46231ADD4DB1@4j.lane.edu>

I started a thread on this some time ago, but got lost in other  
things, so sorry for starting over.

I use sendmail and mailman and sophos puremessage for unix.  When  
email is received to a user it is delivered essentially instantly.   
When an email is sent to a mailman list the message is ending up in  
the sendmail mailq and not being sent until the queue is re- 
processed.  Please direct me as to what log information would be  
helpful in troubleshooting this.

Thanks
-Troy



From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct  1 17:41:36 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 08:41:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages Being Delayed
In-Reply-To: <22BF249E-5408-4A0F-86A1-46231ADD4DB1@4j.lane.edu>
Message-ID: <PC1922009100108413605461c330e86@msapiro>

Troy Knabe wrote:
>
>I use sendmail and mailman and sophos puremessage for unix.  When  
>email is received to a user it is delivered essentially instantly.   
>When an email is sent to a mailman list the message is ending up in  
>the sendmail mailq and not being sent until the queue is re- 
>processed.  Please direct me as to what log information would be  
>helpful in troubleshooting this.


I think the cause of your problem was identified at
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-August/062943.html>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From knabe at 4j.lane.edu  Thu Oct  1 17:55:17 2009
From: knabe at 4j.lane.edu (Troy Knabe)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 08:55:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages Being Delayed
In-Reply-To: <PC1922009100108413605461c330e86@msapiro>
References: <PC1922009100108413605461c330e86@msapiro>
Message-ID: <0C0B09C4-F066-4BE3-9814-1C10EEF55F81@4j.lane.edu>

No, I tried that and it still places it in the queue.

define(`confDELIVERY_MODE',`background')dnl

-Troy

On Oct 1, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Troy Knabe wrote:
>>
>> I use sendmail and mailman and sophos puremessage for unix.  When
>> email is received to a user it is delivered essentially instantly.
>> When an email is sent to a mailman list the message is ending up in
>> the sendmail mailq and not being sent until the queue is re-
>> processed.  Please direct me as to what log information would be
>> helpful in troubleshooting this.
>
>
> I think the cause of your problem was identified at
> <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-August/062943.html 
> >.
>
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct  1 18:20:06 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:20:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages Being Delayed
In-Reply-To: <0C0B09C4-F066-4BE3-9814-1C10EEF55F81@4j.lane.edu>
Message-ID: <PC192200910010920060312fcebdc7e@msapiro>



----- Original Message ---------------

Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages Being Delayed
   From: Troy Knabe <knabe at 4j.lane.edu>
   Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 08:55:17 -0700
     To: 
     Cc: mailman-users at python.org

>No, I tried that and it still places it in the queue.
>
>define(`confDELIVERY_MODE',`background')dnl


Do you still have

>So I made it  /usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -ODeliveryMode=defer \
>        -ODaemonPortOptions=Name=MSA,Port=1313,M=E,Addr=127.0.0.1

as the sendmail command to start the mailman listener?

Did you try changing that to

/usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -ODeliveryMode=b \
        -ODaemonPortOptions=Name=MSA,Port=1313,M=E,Addr=127.0.0.1

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jeffg at turners.com  Fri Oct  2 17:46:26 2009
From: jeffg at turners.com (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 08:46:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Yahoo Deferrals
Message-ID: <A05D18ED823F7348B124F8F9729E0D97B8C7B6@hq-srv-ex-01.turners.local>

I have a question regarding Yahoo deferrals.  I know this subject has
been talked about a lot.  Everything I could find via Google was from at
least a year ago though.  I was wondering if anybody has found new ways
of limiting the Yahoo deferrals?  I run two mailing lists.  Each one is
an announcement only list which I send one message to each week.  One
list is about 12,000 users and the other is about 9,000 users.  I have
noticed that a majority of the e-mail addresses are from yahoo.com so I
get a lot of the deferral messages and it takes a little while to get
them all sent out.  Here is what I have done so far.

 

I am running Mailman version 2.1.12.  I have full personalization turned
on to help with bounces.  I have all of the verp options turned on:

 

VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes

VERP_PROBES = Yes

VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes

 

Everything on the mailman side is working pretty well.

 

I am running Postfix 2.6.3.  I have the following configuration settings
in my main.cf file:

 

slow_destination_recipient_limit = 5

slow_destination_concurrency_limit = 2

slow_destination_concurrency_failed_cohort_limit = 4

 

In my transport file I have:

 

yahoo.com               slow:

 

And in my master.cf file I have:

 

slow      unix  -       -       n       -       -       smtp

 

 

Is there anything else I can do to help limit the deferrals?  I sent an
e-mail to both lists yesterday and it took about 16 hours to get all of
the yahoo.com e-mails out.  I guess that is not terrible, but I would
really prefer it to be better.

 

Thanks for any help or guidance you can give me.


From b19141 at anl.gov  Fri Oct  2 18:15:06 2009
From: b19141 at anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 2009 11:15:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rebuilding the Archive mbox File
Message-ID: <20091002161506.7241D174E6@britaine.cis.anl.gov>

I am running Mailman 2.1.11 from an Ubuntu/Debian package I created
from the SourceForge source.

I have a question about list archives.  I have a list that I
converted from Majordomo to Mailman in July, 2007.  I was helping
one of the list owners in managing the list, and I went to the list
archives.  The web page has all of the combined archives that I copied
from Majordomo; they go back to May, 1996.  When I went to the Mailman
file

     /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox

that file contains only the last two postings - Jul 2007 and
Feb 2008.  When I go to

     /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME

I see all of the archive files for each month:

     1998-July
     1998-July.txt
     1998-July.txt.gz 

How do I rebuild the

     LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox

file?  I have the collected mbox file from Majordomo, and I can easily
pre-pend it to the current LISTNAME.mbox file.  Is that all I have to
do?  Or do I need to run

     bin/arch --wipe

Thanks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
Building 240, Room 5.B.8             Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov
Argonne, IL   60439-4828             IBMMAIL:  I1004994


From stephen at xemacs.org  Fri Oct  2 18:37:20 2009
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 01:37:20 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  OT: Yahoo Deferrals
In-Reply-To: <A05D18ED823F7348B124F8F9729E0D97B8C7B6@hq-srv-ex-01.turners.local>
References: <A05D18ED823F7348B124F8F9729E0D97B8C7B6@hq-srv-ex-01.turners.local>
Message-ID: <87k4zdiwfz.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Jeff Grossman writes:
 > I have a question regarding Yahoo deferrals.  I know this subject has
 > been talked about a lot.  Everything I could find via Google was from at
 > least a year ago though.

Nothing has changed.  At 10,000 addresses per post, you are definitely
mass mailing, and you're going to be on their radar.  You can live
with the deferrals, or you can jump through their hoops.  But you're
at their mercy, and they are unlikely to allow any loopholes that they
don't control explicitly.  Not for more than 24 hours, anyway. ;-)


From jeffg at turners.com  Fri Oct  2 19:04:02 2009
From: jeffg at turners.com (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:04:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Yahoo Deferrals
In-Reply-To: <87k4zdiwfz.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <A05D18ED823F7348B124F8F9729E0D97B8C7B6@hq-srv-ex-01.turners.local>
	<87k4zdiwfz.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <775de731ee19cc26d5b1940cc72c4b18@turners.com>


On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 01:37:20 +0900, "Stephen J. Turnbull"
<stephen at xemacs.org> wrote:
> Jeff Grossman writes:
>  > I have a question regarding Yahoo deferrals.  I know this subject has
>  > been talked about a lot.  Everything I could find via Google was from
at
>  > least a year ago though.
> 
> Nothing has changed.  At 10,000 addresses per post, you are definitely
> mass mailing, and you're going to be on their radar.  You can live
> with the deferrals, or you can jump through their hoops.  But you're
> at their mercy, and they are unlikely to allow any loopholes that they
> don't control explicitly.  Not for more than 24 hours, anyway. ;-)

Thank you for the information.  I am doing about as much as I can do I
think.  Mailman is doing a pretty good job of removing any bounces.  And, I
have added myself to their feedback loop so I know who puts my posts in
their spam/junk folders.  I am removing any user that I receive the
feedback loop for.  So, hopefully that will help.

Jeff

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Fri Oct  2 19:12:12 2009
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:12:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Yahoo Deferrals
In-Reply-To: <A05D18ED823F7348B124F8F9729E0D97B8C7B6@hq-srv-ex-01.turners.local>
References: <A05D18ED823F7348B124F8F9729E0D97B8C7B6@hq-srv-ex-01.turners.local>
Message-ID: <20091002171211.GA316@charite.de>

* Jeff Grossman <jeffg at turners.com>:
> I have a question regarding Yahoo deferrals.  I know this subject has
> been talked about a lot.  Everything I could find via Google was from at
> least a year ago though.  I was wondering if anybody has found new ways
> of limiting the Yahoo deferrals?  I run two mailing lists.

I run (with others) mail.python.org, and we send assloads of mail to
yahoo!

What we did:

* set up DKIM for python.org
* subscribed to/set up Yahoo's FBL: http://feedbackloop.yahoo.net/
* made sure that whoever complains @yahoo gets unsubscribed silently
  within a jiffy.

We haven't seen any large scale deferrals for a long time now.

I also use:
yahoo.com  	slow:
in transport_maps with

slow      unix  -       -       -       -       -       smtp
in master.cf and

slow_delivery_rate_delay = 1s
in main.cf

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  2 19:13:59 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:13:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Yahoo Deferrals
In-Reply-To: <A05D18ED823F7348B124F8F9729E0D97B8C7B6@hq-srv-ex-01.turners.local>
Message-ID: <PC192200910021013590734b80196d9@msapiro>

Jeff Grossman wrote:
>
>I am running Mailman version 2.1.12.  I have full personalization turned
>on to help with bounces.  I have all of the verp options turned on:
>
> 
>
>VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes
>
>VERP_PROBES = Yes
>
>VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes


I can't add anything to what Stephen has said about your issue, but I
want to point out that you are missing the critical VERP setting which
is

VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1

and if you have this setting, all deliveries will be VERPed regardless
of any personalization settings.

Also, VERP_PROBES = Yes is really unnecessary if you are VERPing
deliveries, and it doesn't affect list mail anyway. What it says is
that when the bounce is processed that puts the user's score over the
threshold, instead of disabling that user's delivery and starting the
warning process, we reset the user's bounce information and send a
special VERPed probe to the user, and then we only disable that user's
delivery and start the warning process if and when the probe bounces.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jeffg at turners.com  Fri Oct  2 19:21:02 2009
From: jeffg at turners.com (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:21:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Yahoo Deferrals
In-Reply-To: <20091002171211.GA316@charite.de>
References: <A05D18ED823F7348B124F8F9729E0D97B8C7B6@hq-srv-ex-01.turners.local>
	<20091002171211.GA316@charite.de>
Message-ID: <81d06f47d3f753cb70e464f2adea85d8@turners.com>


On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:12:12 +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt
<Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de> wrote:
> * Jeff Grossman <jeffg at turners.com>:
>> I have a question regarding Yahoo deferrals.  I know this subject has
>> been talked about a lot.  Everything I could find via Google was from at
>> least a year ago though.  I was wondering if anybody has found new ways
>> of limiting the Yahoo deferrals?  I run two mailing lists.
> 
> I run (with others) mail.python.org, and we send assloads of mail to
> yahoo!
> 
> What we did:
> 
> * set up DKIM for python.org
> * subscribed to/set up Yahoo's FBL: http://feedbackloop.yahoo.net/
> * made sure that whoever complains @yahoo gets unsubscribed silently
>   within a jiffy.
> 
> We haven't seen any large scale deferrals for a long time now.
> 
> I also use:
> yahoo.com  	slow:
> in transport_maps with
> 
> slow      unix  -       -       -       -       -       smtp
> in master.cf and
> 
> slow_delivery_rate_delay = 1s
> in main.cf

Thank you for that.  I forgot to mention that I did setup DKIM for the
domain I am sending mail from.  That is the only way to get added to their
FBL.  I will add the slow_delivery_rate_delay and see if that also makes a
difference.

I am also unsubscribing anybody who complains as soon as I get the feedback
e-mail from Yahoo.  I have only started doing that for the past two weeks
though.  So maybe this deferral problem will go away.

Thanks again.

Jeff

From jeffg at turners.com  Fri Oct  2 19:21:37 2009
From: jeffg at turners.com (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:21:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Yahoo Deferrals
In-Reply-To: <PC192200910021013590734b80196d9@msapiro>
References: <PC192200910021013590734b80196d9@msapiro>
Message-ID: <564ec5f426f6265d3c28eefe6a75ef1d@turners.com>


On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:13:59 -0700, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> Jeff Grossman wrote:
>>
>>I am running Mailman version 2.1.12.  I have full personalization turned
>>on to help with bounces.  I have all of the verp options turned on:
>>
>> 
>>
>>VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes
>>
>>VERP_PROBES = Yes
>>
>>VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes
> 
> 
> I can't add anything to what Stephen has said about your issue, but I
> want to point out that you are missing the critical VERP setting which
> is
> 
> VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1
> 
> and if you have this setting, all deliveries will be VERPed regardless
> of any personalization settings.
> 
> Also, VERP_PROBES = Yes is really unnecessary if you are VERPing
> deliveries, and it doesn't affect list mail anyway. What it says is
> that when the bounce is processed that puts the user's score over the
> threshold, instead of disabling that user's delivery and starting the
> warning process, we reset the user's bounce information and send a
> special VERPed probe to the user, and then we only disable that user's
> delivery and start the warning process if and when the probe bounces.

I will make those two changes right now.  Thanks for the information.

Jeff

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  2 19:28:51 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:28:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rebuilding the Archive mbox File
In-Reply-To: <20091002161506.7241D174E6@britaine.cis.anl.gov>
Message-ID: <PC192200910021028510171615e415e@msapiro>

Barry Finkel wrote:
>
>I have a question about list archives.  I have a list that I
>converted from Majordomo to Mailman in July, 2007.  I was helping
>one of the list owners in managing the list, and I went to the list
>archives.  The web page has all of the combined archives that I copied
>from Majordomo; they go back to May, 1996.  When I went to the Mailman
>file
>
>     /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox
>
>that file contains only the last two postings - Jul 2007 and
>Feb 2008.


So, apparently, you initialized the archive with

 bin/arch --wipe LISTNAME /path/to/majordomo_archive_mbox

but you never added anything to

 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox



>How do I rebuild the
>
>     LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox
>
>file?  I have the collected mbox file from Majordomo, and I can easily
>pre-pend it to the current LISTNAME.mbox file.  Is that all I have to
>do?


Yes. Or No. The LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox file is maintained as a
kind of backup and is only actually used if you rebuild the archive
with bin/arch.

The safest thing is to prepend the majordomo mbox to
LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox. Then in the future, you could rebuild the
entire archive with

  bin/arch --wipe LISTNAME

The alternative is to not combine the two files and to remember that
rebuilding the archive is a two step process

 bin/arch --wipe LISTNAME /path/to/majordomo_archive_mbox
 bin/arch LISTNAME

to initialize the archive from majordomo_archive_mbox and then add the
posts from the default LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox.

I recommend the former so you don't need to remember the two step
process.

>Or do I need to run
>
>     bin/arch --wipe


Not at this time.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jeffg at turners.com  Fri Oct  2 19:44:22 2009
From: jeffg at turners.com (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:44:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Yahoo Deferrals
In-Reply-To: <4AC62D42.6000605@chrismiller.com>
References: <A05D18ED823F7348B124F8F9729E0D97B8C7B6@hq-srv-ex-01.turners.local>
	<4AC62D42.6000605@chrismiller.com>
Message-ID: <4c6a9c14e9b61b399c594d2ddf789d25@turners.com>


On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 09:41:38 -0700, Chris Miller <mailman at chrismiller.com>
wrote:
> Jeff Grossman wrote:
>> I have a question regarding Yahoo deferrals.  I know this subject has
>> been talked about a lot.  Everything I could find via Google was from at
>> least a year ago though.  I was wondering if anybody has found new ways
>> of limiting the Yahoo deferrals?
> 
> I haven't read these threads, and my lists are much lower traffic, but
> I'll throw this out there anyway. My mail used to be deferred for long
> periods of time. The way I got around this was to set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS=3
> in Mailman/Defaults.py. This obviously increases the number of
> connections per message (not to mention unnecessary bandwidth), and that
> itself will probably cause some amount of deferals. I suspect this in
> combination with other tweaks will ease the situation. Hope this helps...

If I am not mistaken, since I am using VERP, each message is sent to each
recipient individually and that setting would have no effect for me.

Jeff

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Fri Oct  2 19:50:49 2009
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:50:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Yahoo Deferrals
In-Reply-To: <81d06f47d3f753cb70e464f2adea85d8@turners.com>
References: <A05D18ED823F7348B124F8F9729E0D97B8C7B6@hq-srv-ex-01.turners.local>
	<20091002171211.GA316@charite.de>
	<81d06f47d3f753cb70e464f2adea85d8@turners.com>
Message-ID: <20091002175048.GH316@charite.de>

* Jeff Grossman <jeffg at turners.com>:

> FBL.  I will add the slow_delivery_rate_delay and see if that also makes a
> difference.

I rather slow myself down before they do :)
 
> I am also unsubscribing anybody who complains as soon as I get the feedback
> e-mail from Yahoo.  I have only started doing that for the past two weeks
> though.  So maybe this deferral problem will go away.

Yes, that could pretty well be.
-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  2 20:06:53 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:06:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Yahoo Deferrals
In-Reply-To: <4c6a9c14e9b61b399c594d2ddf789d25@turners.com>
Message-ID: <PC192200910021106530265b80194fe@msapiro>

Jeff Grossman wrote regarding SMTP_MAX_RCPTS:
>
>If I am not mistaken, since I am using VERP, each message is sent to each
>recipient individually and that setting would have no effect for me.


This is correct. For a VERPed message, SMTP_MAX_RCPTS is effectively 1
regardless of the actual setting.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From Benoit.Schmid at unige.ch  Thu Oct  1 09:01:06 2009
From: Benoit.Schmid at unige.ch (Benoit Schmid)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:01:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change the email address on the admin web page
Message-ID: <4AC453B2.3080500@unige.ch>

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Good morning,

On the admin web page there is:
(Send questions and comments to mailman at domain.org.)
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I would like to change the email address mailman at domain.org
to postmaster at Otherdomain.org.

How could I change this configuration?

Thanks in advance for your answer.
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From daniel at cacert.org  Thu Oct  1 13:55:59 2009
From: daniel at cacert.org (Daniel Black)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 21:55:59 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] dkim and email list software - potential solution
Message-ID: <200910012156.00721.daniel@cacert.org>


I proposed some ideas around DKIM compatibility with mail lists and tried to 
send to the dev list too. Obviously the anti-cross-post feature on mailman-
developers at python.org is working well (which on some levels I appreciate).

As leading maillist product I'm keep to know your opinion. This has obviously 
been mentioned before never quite got momentum[1]. Now that ADSP (RFC 5617) is 
out it seems that validating domains with a ADSP policy of dkim=all seems 
rather weak as anything other than a temporary spam bias (until spammers catch 
on).

My nice controversial idea is to mangle the from: address in mailing lists in 
general so that the list domain becomes the author (for ADSP purposes) and 
those DKIM validating emails are given the ability to do more with ADSP than 
spam biasing.

Original post here http://mipassoc.org/pipermail/dkim-dev/2009-
September/000202.html

Other ideas welcome.

[1] http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/DKIM

-- 
Daniel Black
Infrastructure Administrator
CAcert
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From daniel at litfuze.com  Thu Oct  1 21:13:22 2009
From: daniel at litfuze.com (Daniel Billotte)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:13:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with unwanted moderation
In-Reply-To: <PC1922009092411112806564cca9c2c@msapiro>
References: <PC1922009092411112806564cca9c2c@msapiro>
Message-ID: <4AC4FF52.1050703@litfuze.com>

Hi Mark, that worked like a charm. Muchas gracias!!
- daniel

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Daniel Billotte wrote:
>   
>> I have a list setup with all default configuration except that I have 
>> the "generic nonmember action" setting set to "Accept". The mailing list 
>> address is:
>> dl_support at foo.com. I have an email setup, support at foo.com, that is 
>> forwarded to dl_support at foo.com. If I send a message to 
>> dl_support at foo.com it goes out to all the members, but if I send an 
>> email to support at foo.com, it ends up in the moderator queue. Is this 
>> supposed to work this way? If so, is there a way to change it?
>>     
>
>
> Add support at foo.com to Privacy options... ->Recipient filters ->
> acceptable_aliases.
>
>   


From Benoit.Schmid at unige.ch  Fri Oct  2 08:28:24 2009
From: Benoit.Schmid at unige.ch (Benoit Schmid)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:28:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change the email address on the admin web page
Message-ID: <4AC59D88.8050902@unige.ch>

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Good morning,

On the admin web page there is:
(Send questions and comments to mailman at domain.org.)
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I would like to change the email address mailman at domain.org
to postmaster at Otherdomain.org.

How could I change this configuration?

Thanks in advance for your answer.
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From danellertson at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 17:26:42 2009
From: danellertson at gmail.com (Dan Ellertson)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:26:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Quick Question
In-Reply-To: <8E764D4E-F890-4B6A-AC82-00EB6F93D91C@list.org>
References: <7c48fa700909302140s7092672bu426ddba9d05665c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<324CBC06-C249-4EA2-9DDA-765CF82A662C@list.org>
	<7c48fa700910010753i6c9df578m9cd4e2da2eafb3d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E764D4E-F890-4B6A-AC82-00EB6F93D91C@list.org>
Message-ID: <7c48fa700910010826p345ed097x9b7b82831801b333@mail.gmail.com>

See questions and comments below with Barry.  And see attached screen shot.
Do you have any solutions?  -- Dan

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Barry Warsaw <barry at list.org>
Date: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: Quick Question
To: Dan Ellertson <danellertson at gmail.com>


On Oct 1, 2009, at 10:53 AM, Dan Ellertson wrote:

 See the attached screen shot.  The type size in Mailman has gone real
> small. I can hardly read it or work with.  This only happens with Mailman
> application.  And it started about a month ago and has not changed back for
> me. I don't know how to get it to reset. Thanks, Dan
>

I've never seen this happen, and I'm not sure what's going on.  You might
try contacting the mailman-users at python.org mailing list for more help.

-Barry




-- 
Dan Ellertson
c. 801-787-7220
DanEllertson at gmail.com
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From info at juanfortiz.com  Fri Oct  2 18:46:07 2009
From: info at juanfortiz.com (INFO Juan F Ortiz . com)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:46:07 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exporting emails from my mailing list to a text
	file ?
Message-ID: <DBE8CE0DBA794FE0951AB6DF1BE5FB5B@juan>


I need to export all the emails from my mailing list to an text file, how can I do this ? 

Recently I had problems with my hosting because I have 1950 users and the max. qty. of emails per hoy I can send is 400, so when I send an email to the mailing list I have problems ( Lunar Pages ).   Please let me know what can I do. 

Thanks

Juan Ortiz
info at juanfortiz.com 
webmaster at alianzafrancesa.org.gt


Here is your mailing list set up.   mailing_list at alianzafrancesaguatemala.com 


From jbaker at vwc.edu  Thu Oct  1 19:46:58 2009
From: jbaker at vwc.edu (Jim Baker)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:46:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listserv Management
Message-ID: <8c5c29d90910011046h1eb45270s1af66529803715b6@mail.gmail.com>

I am using your list management system to manage listservs.  Generally love
it.

Is there a way that I can designate a user to be able to manage members of
the list.  I only want them to be able to view, add and delete members.

Thanks,

Jim.

-- 
Jim Baker
Virginia Wesleyan College
Computer Services Technical Support Coordinator
757.455.2107
jbaker at vwc.edu

From mailman at chrismiller.com  Fri Oct  2 18:41:38 2009
From: mailman at chrismiller.com (Chris Miller)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 09:41:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Yahoo Deferrals
In-Reply-To: <A05D18ED823F7348B124F8F9729E0D97B8C7B6@hq-srv-ex-01.turners.local>
References: <A05D18ED823F7348B124F8F9729E0D97B8C7B6@hq-srv-ex-01.turners.local>
Message-ID: <4AC62D42.6000605@chrismiller.com>

Jeff Grossman wrote:
> I have a question regarding Yahoo deferrals.  I know this subject has
> been talked about a lot.  Everything I could find via Google was from at
> least a year ago though.  I was wondering if anybody has found new ways
> of limiting the Yahoo deferrals?

I haven't read these threads, and my lists are much lower traffic, but
I'll throw this out there anyway. My mail used to be deferred for long
periods of time. The way I got around this was to set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS=3
in Mailman/Defaults.py. This obviously increases the number of
connections per message (not to mention unnecessary bandwidth), and that
itself will probably cause some amount of deferals. I suspect this in
combination with other tweaks will ease the situation. Hope this helps...

Chris

From Mark.Heath at Fluor.com  Fri Oct  2 17:10:00 2009
From: Mark.Heath at Fluor.com (Mark.Heath at Fluor.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:10:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman capabilities
Message-ID: <OFC7043D01.DB8EB416-ON85257643.0052BC71-86257643.0053DD25@fluor.com>

Hello - 
I am researching mail solutions, I belong to a fire department that may 
have a need to contact all community residents,
Does your mail program handle 6,000 E-mail addresses?


Mark Heath
Operations & Maintenance
Project Specialist 
281.263.2226 (Office)
832.344.7516 (Cell)



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From pmoss4 at csc.com  Thu Oct  1 12:59:24 2009
From: pmoss4 at csc.com (Patricia A Moss)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 06:59:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strangely mailman stopped sending outgoing email
In-Reply-To: <OF059A859F.9CE8C73B-ON85257640.0067E323-85257640.00688F68@LocalDomain>
References: <OF059A859F.9CE8C73B-ON85257640.0067E323-85257640.00688F68@LocalDomain>
Message-ID: <OF1D7EFA3A.6594D5BB-ON85257642.003C6376-85257642.003C7B06@csc.com>

Is there anyone who can assist me in troubleshooting this?


PATI MOSS
System Engineer Sr. Professional
CSC



From:
Patricia A Moss/GIS/CSC
To:
mailman-users at python.org
Date:
09/29/2009 03:02 PM
Subject:
Strangely mailman stopped sending outgoing email


Last week, Friday, mailman stopped sending out  and receiving email.  I 
started troubleshooting and found that there were firewall rules that had 
been changed that appeared to be causing the problem.  Those changes were 
reverted and mailman began receiving email.  However it was still not 
sending out email.  I had the Sendmail people check all of the servers to 
confirm that the servers were sending and receiving. 
Then, from the mailman server, I ran a manual test against the SMTP 
server.  That resulted in an email to my mailbox:

# telnet relay.csc.com 25
Trying 20.137.2.88...
Connected to relay.csc.com (20.137.2.88).
Escape character is '^]'.
220 amer-mta102.csc.com; ESMTP Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:36:36 -0400
helo fcg.com
250 amer-mta102.csc.com Hello [20.8.232.105], pleased to meet you
mail from: documentumdevelopers at palinux04.fcg.com
250 2.1.0 documentumdevelopers at palinux04.fcg.com... Sender ok
rcpt to: pmoss4 at csc.com
250 2.1.5 pmoss4 at csc.com... Recipient ok
data
354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself
testing lin04 .
.
250 2.0.0 n8TIaa2X027909 Message accepted for delivery
quit
221 2.0.0 amer-mta102.csc.com closing connection
Connection closed by foreign host.

Here is the email that I received from the test.



This would lead me to believe that there is something, within mailman, 
that is awry.  I'm not sure how because it was working prior to Friday, 
but this is where I am right now.  I need to troubleshoot that mailman is 
still configured correctly.
Can someone assist me with this?  Thank you

PATI MOSS
System Engineer Sr. Professional
CSC




From tammy.george at acadiau.ca  Thu Oct  1 19:12:01 2009
From: tammy.george at acadiau.ca (Tammy George)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:12:01 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird subject_prefix issue
Message-ID: <EF80AA494809654B9EE67C4DD650CC7810EFCE8D@exchange.ad.acadiau.ca>

We're running Mailman version 2.1.9.

 

We have a subject_prefix setup on list abc at xyz.com.  The subject_prefix
shows up in all messages from all senders EXCEPT one sender.   The list
is archived & the subject_prefix is on the message in the archive.   I
can't find anything indicating this can be configured on the user level
- just @ the list level.

 

Has anyone seen this?

 

Thanks.

 


From PMONAGHA at depaul.edu  Thu Oct  1 16:07:58 2009
From: PMONAGHA at depaul.edu (Monaghan, Patricia)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:07:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privacy issue
Message-ID: <2E46091BBA788A4D862DFE3F2120F2700E783CC4@XVS01.dpu.depaul.edu>

Hello--I don't know if I'm writing to the right person.  I've just been alerted that all test of all messages on a DePaul mailman group are available to the public on google.  The list is private and I am concerned about this.  Could you tell me if this can be rectified and/or who to contact about this?  Thanks. PM

Patricia Monaghan
Professor of Interdisciplinary Studies
DePaul University School for New Learning
312-476-3073
Fax 708-633-9095


From rob at colorist.org  Fri Oct  2 21:51:38 2009
From: rob at colorist.org (Rob Lingelbach)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:51:38 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ECC-T Listserv
In-Reply-To: <4AC3D1D9.3010207@u.washington.edu>
References: <4AC3D1D9.3010207@u.washington.edu>
Message-ID: <AED713EE-96A5-46A0-AA78-C74451BF2662@colorist.org>

in the spirit of trying to help I'll ask the usual questions  
privately, and refer
Mr. Orozco back to the group if needed.

On Sep 30, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Francisco Orozco wrote:

> Hello,
> I was made in-charge of our listserv, ECC-T at u.washington.edu. The  
> person who created it years ago is no longer here and we cannot  
> contact them. Is there a way for me to get access to it and reset  
> list admins and such?

--
Rob Lingelbach
rob at colorist.org












From rob at colorist.org  Fri Oct  2 22:03:58 2009
From: rob at colorist.org (Rob Lingelbach)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:03:58 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ECC-T Listserv
In-Reply-To: <4AC3D1D9.3010207@u.washington.edu>
References: <4AC3D1D9.3010207@u.washington.edu>
Message-ID: <88E384CB-502C-4383-B3DC-97417DEBA2BC@colorist.org>


On Sep 30, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Francisco Orozco wrote:

> Hello,
> I was made in-charge of our listserv, ECC-T at u.washington.edu. The  
> person who created it years ago is no longer here and we cannot  
> contact them. Is there a way for me to get access to it and reset  
> list admins and such?


hi again Francisco,

I see that u.washington.edu does resolve for email.   Now, I did a  
simple test to see if
www.washington.edu is advertising any mailman lists.   Below is what I  
found at
http://www.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo.  That line "File does not  
exist:
/www/world/mailman" may mean that there was a mailman installation  
pointing to that
directory in the past.

So still the questions are, what kind of access do you have to the  
machine- you at least
need to find the System Adminstrator and ask her/him to verify the  
version of Mailman, and give you access to its web interface.

--
Rob Lingelbach
rob at colorist.org

URL Not Found
http://www.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo was not found or is no  
longer on this server.
Please check the URL (misspellings, capitalization, etc.) and try  
again, or if you came to this page via a link, you might try using  
your browser's Reload (or Refresh) button on that page in case the  
link has changed. If you are still getting this error after a reload,  
please notify the maintainer of that page so they know of the invalid  
link.

URL: http://www.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo
Reason: File does not exist: /www/world/mailman.
Remote: (189.50.129.106)
Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_5_8; en-us)  
AppleWebKit/531.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.3 Safari/531.9
Host: www12.cac.washington.edu:22280
Time: 02-Oct-2009 12:57:57PM
Local: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:57:57 GMT











From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  2 22:08:39 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:08:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-creation Owner E-mail Address
In-Reply-To: <20090927183639.864DD2AE4E@atalanta.it.anl.gov>
Message-ID: <PC1922009100213083900784a6ec475@msapiro>

Barry Finkel wrote:
>
>Is there a chance of being able to specify more than one e-mail address
>for the list owner with the
>
>    /usr/sbin/newlist
>
>command?  That is all I really need.


The attached newlist.patch.txt patch to newlist should do it. Note that
the list create process applies a rather simple syntactic check on the
owner email address. With this patch, that check will only be applied
to the first address if more than one is supplied. The remaining
addresses will not be checked at all.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From rob at colorist.org  Fri Oct  2 22:10:55 2009
From: rob at colorist.org (Rob Lingelbach)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:10:55 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privacy issue
In-Reply-To: <2E46091BBA788A4D862DFE3F2120F2700E783CC4@XVS01.dpu.depaul.edu>
References: <2E46091BBA788A4D862DFE3F2120F2700E783CC4@XVS01.dpu.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <6E6B977F-EDA7-4D08-9D58-11D64B789C39@colorist.org>


On Oct 1, 2009, at 11:07 AM, Monaghan, Patricia wrote:

> Hello--I don't know if I'm writing to the right person.  I've just  
> been alerted that all test of all messages on a DePaul mailman group  
> are available to the public on google.  The list is private and I am  
> concerned about this.  Could you tell me if this can be rectified  
> and/or who to contact about this?

Under Archiving Options, what settings are enabled?

Also, contact your Systems Administrator and ask that the file  
robots.txt be adjusted
to disallow the list's archives from being indexed by google, though  
I'm not certain that
google follows the usual rules about robots.txt.

--
Rob Lingelbach
rob at colorist.org












From rob at colorist.org  Fri Oct  2 22:17:10 2009
From: rob at colorist.org (Rob Lingelbach)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:17:10 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ECC-T Listserv
In-Reply-To: <88E384CB-502C-4383-B3DC-97417DEBA2BC@colorist.org>
References: <4AC3D1D9.3010207@u.washington.edu>
	<88E384CB-502C-4383-B3DC-97417DEBA2BC@colorist.org>
Message-ID: <D69AEF16-00B1-4C41-A54B-14BE0A2582CE@colorist.org>


On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Rob Lingelbach wrote:

> hi again Francisco,
>
> I see that u.washington.edu does resolve for email.   Now, I did a  
> simple test

I'm told that the problem was resolved.

--
Rob Lingelbach
rob at colorist.org












From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Fri Oct  2 22:27:44 2009
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:27:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traceback Error
In-Reply-To: <20090927014345.GA20749@smtp.comcast.net>
References: <20090927014345.GA20749@smtp.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20091002202743.GJ316@charite.de>

* Dr. Scott S. Jones <scott at fyrenice.com>:
> I am experiencing traceback errors, as outlined in the following from
> /usr/local/mailman/logs/error: 
> 
> admin(17030): Traceback (most recent call last):
> admin(17030):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in
> run_main
> admin(17030):     main()
> admin(17030):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 165,
> in main
> admin(17030):     process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata)
> admin(17030):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 716,
> in process_form
> admin(17030):     forward, forwardaddr)
> admin(17030):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 167, in
> HandleRequest
> admin(17030):     forward, addr)
> admin(17030):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 254, in
> __handlepost
> admin(17030):     g(msg, 1)
> admin(17030): AttributeError: Generator instance has no __call__ method
> admin(17030): [----- Python Information -----

You get this when doing WHAT?

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Fri Oct  2 22:29:30 2009
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:29:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Performance
In-Reply-To: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207134DD19@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
References: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207134DD19@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
Message-ID: <20091002202930.GK316@charite.de>

* Hien HUYNH HUU <hien.hh at sbsc.com.vn>:

>    Now I use mailman with qmail . Everyday I send a message to the
>    maillist , but the server takes 40 minutes to send about 10.000
>    emails (3-4msg/s)

To remote destinations?

>    I think It's slow performance, isn't it ? because I hear that qmail
>    can send about 10 millions messages per day. 

qmail is actually quite slwo, since it sends one mail per connection
(no reuse of connections). So if you have a lot of mail to a few
destinations, mTAs with connection caching could do better.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Fri Oct  2 22:30:36 2009
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:30:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strangely mailman stopped sending outgoing email
In-Reply-To: <OF059A859F.9CE8C73B-ON85257640.0067E323-85257640.006890DF@csc.com>
References: <OF059A859F.9CE8C73B-ON85257640.0067E323-85257640.006890DF@csc.com>
Message-ID: <20091002203036.GL316@charite.de>

* Patricia A Moss <pmoss4 at csc.com>:

> Last week, Friday, mailman stopped sending out  and receiving email.  I 
> started troubleshooting and found that there were firewall rules that had 
> been changed that appeared to be causing the problem.  Those changes were 
> reverted and mailman began receiving email.  However it was still not 
> sending out email.  I had the Sendmail people check all of the servers to 
> confirm that the servers were sending and receiving. 
> Then, from the mailman server, I ran a manual test against the SMTP 
> server.  That resulted in an email to my mailbox:

Queue runner up & running?

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Fri Oct  2 22:32:59 2009
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:32:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman capabilities
In-Reply-To: <OFC7043D01.DB8EB416-ON85257643.0052BC71-86257643.0053DD25@fluor.com>
References: <OFC7043D01.DB8EB416-ON85257643.0052BC71-86257643.0053DD25@fluor.com>
Message-ID: <20091002203258.GM316@charite.de>

* Mark.Heath at Fluor.com <Mark.Heath at Fluor.com>:
> Hello - 
> I am researching mail solutions, I belong to a fire department that may 
> have a need to contact all community residents,
> Does your mail program handle 6,000 E-mail addresses?

Yes, it can also handle a small number of adresses :)

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From scott at 916networks.com  Fri Oct  2 22:40:27 2009
From: scott at 916networks.com (Scott Race)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:40:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strangely mailman stopped sending outgoing email
In-Reply-To: <20091002203036.GL316@charite.de>
References: <OF059A859F.9CE8C73B-ON85257640.0067E323-85257640.006890DF@csc.com>
	<20091002203036.GL316@charite.de>
Message-ID: <A64E6B03-4977-43B4-8585-486B59E1D5C7@916networks.com>

I had this same thing happen to me last week - i had permissions  
issues on my aliases files (weird - host loaded OS updates and  
permissions got jacked up) and then restarting mailman fixed for me -  
I did also see errors in /var/log/maillog

The command I use restart mailman is
/etc/init.d/mailman restart


Scott Race
916 Networks


On Oct 2, 2009, at 1:31 PM, "Ralf Hildebrandt" <Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de 
 > wrote:

> * Patricia A Moss <pmoss4 at csc.com>:
>
>> Last week, Friday, mailman stopped sending out  and receiving  
>> email.  I
>> started troubleshooting and found that there were firewall rules  
>> that had
>> been changed that appeared to be causing the problem.  Those  
>> changes were
>> reverted and mailman began receiving email.  However it was still not
>> sending out email.  I had the Sendmail people check all of the  
>> servers to
>> confirm that the servers were sending and receiving.
>> Then, from the mailman server, I ran a manual test against the SMTP
>> server.  That resulted in an email to my mailbox:
>
> Queue runner up & running?
>
> -- 
> Ralf Hildebrandt
>  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
>  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
>  Campus Benjamin Franklin
>  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
>  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
>  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/scott%40916networks.com
>
> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  2 22:59:42 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:59:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change the email address on the admin web page
In-Reply-To: <4AC453B2.3080500@unige.ch>
Message-ID: <PC1922009100213594203904954b5f0@msapiro>

Benoit Schmid wrote:
>
>On the admin web page there is:
>(Send questions and comments to mailman at domain.org.)
>                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I would like to change the email address mailman at domain.org
>to postmaster at Otherdomain.org.
>
>How could I change this configuration?


The building of the admin overview page is hard coded in
Mailman/Cgi/admin.py, and likewise Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py for the
listinfo overview. Changing the mailman at domain.org address requires
modifying code in these modules.

It is much easier to set up the mailman list to accept and deliver the
mail where you want it to go.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  2 23:06:13 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:06:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird subject_prefix issue
In-Reply-To: <EF80AA494809654B9EE67C4DD650CC7810E3C1E8@exchange.ad.acadiau.ca>
Message-ID: <PC1922009100214061308751e06e938@msapiro>

Tammy George wrote:
>
>We have a subject_prefix setup on list abc at xyz.com.  The subject_prefix
>shows up in all messages from all senders EXCEPT one sender.   The list
>is archived & the subject_prefix is on the message in the archive.   I
>can't find anything indicating this can be configured on the user level
>- just @ the list level.


My guess is that this one poster is Ccing you or whomever on the post
so you are receiving it directly from the poster and not from the list.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  2 23:12:41 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:12:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman support
In-Reply-To: <746648.71084.qm@web110416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <PC1922009100214124108904954b7e3@msapiro>

Danny Morris wrote:
>
>Where this breaks down is SMS. Email works fine but the address that shows up on their cells is bouces-listserve at listserve.com Our list is named k9alert at listserve.com and the reply to: address is set to be the posters address.


I don't understand why any address would show up as
bounces-example at example.com. Perhaps you meant
k9alert-bounces at example.com.

If so, see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/RoA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  2 23:27:03 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:27:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traceback Error
In-Reply-To: <20090927014345.GA20749@smtp.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <PC1922009100214270301564954b4df@msapiro>

Dr. Scott S. Jones wrote:

>I am experiencing traceback errors, as outlined in the following from
>/usr/local/mailman/logs/error: 
>
>admin(17030): Traceback (most recent call last):
>admin(17030):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in
>run_main
>admin(17030):     main()
>admin(17030):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 165,
>in main
>admin(17030):     process_form(mlist, doc, cgidata)
>admin(17030):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 716,
>in process_form
>admin(17030):     forward, forwardaddr)
>admin(17030):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 167, in
>HandleRequest
>admin(17030):     forward, addr)
>admin(17030):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 254, in
>__handlepost
>admin(17030):     g(msg, 1)
>admin(17030): AttributeError: Generator instance has no __call__ method
>admin(17030): [----- Python Information -----
>
>
>Please advise. 


See the post at
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-September/067223.html>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  2 23:36:13 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:36:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Performance
In-Reply-To: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207134DD19@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
Message-ID: <PC1922009100214361309530056acc6@msapiro>

Hien HUYNH HUU wrote:

>Hi all,
>   Now I use mailman with qmail . Everyday I send a message to the maillist , but the server takes 40 minutes to send about 10.000 emails (3-4msg/s) I think It's slow performance, isn't it ? because I hear that qmail can send about 10 millions messages per day. That means It can send about hundred emails per second .


Search the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3> for "performance".

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  2 23:39:46 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:39:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List won't send if membership is over 2 members
In-Reply-To: <1254139713.15734.65.camel@wh-141955.admin.nhti>
Message-ID: <PC1922009100214394601560056a9ca@msapiro>

Matthew Lind wrote:

>I am having some trouble with a list on my mailman server.  It seems
>that mailman won't send out to the list if the membership of this
>particular list is over 2.  I have many lists on this same server and
>all the other lists have membership over 1k, all deliver with no issues.


Resolved a few days ago on IRC. It turned out the poster was one of the
additional list members, was moderated and member_moderation_action
was Discard.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  2 23:47:25 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:47:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman paid support required
In-Reply-To: <000001ca40f2$216c4f10$6444ed30$@co.uk>
Message-ID: <PC1922009100214472503900056aa9f@msapiro>

Ian Bland wrote:
>
>Know where I can get paid support?


There is a short list at <http://wiki.list.org/x/UIBE>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  2 23:58:47 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:58:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Uncaught bounce notification
In-Reply-To: <DC5F197026AE364E98A9C85C14EE7830EF30CC@wcadvserver.office.wcadv.org>
Message-ID: <PC192200910021458470937255c8b18@msapiro>

Vicki Berenson wrote:
>
>I wondered if you were interested in pursuing this in case the bounce
>format is a new one.
>
>She has been unable to post to this discussion list for a couple of
>weeks although her membership is active and email address is correct.
>She is receiving messages from the list. The only member options checked
>are nodupes and plain (same as most of the other list members).
[...]
>The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
>format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
>from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized
>bounce messages to the list administrator(s).


The actual bounce message didn't make it to the list, but I'm guessing
that it was her attempted post and the problem is that she is sending
her post to directors-bounces at wcadvlists.org instead of
directors at wcadvlists.org
.
-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  3 00:05:33 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:05:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strangely mailman stopped sending outgoing email
In-Reply-To: <OF1D7EFA3A.6594D5BB-ON85257642.003C6376-85257642.003C7B06@csc.com>
Message-ID: <PC192200910021505330140c88291ad@msapiro>

Patricia A Moss wrote:

>Is there anyone who can assist me in troubleshooting this?


Have you gone through the troublshooting FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9>?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  3 00:10:12 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:10:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to fix in the config file?
In-Reply-To: <6166DAF11B548844952130C4F6C2124C0E539A0285@exch-2.sbctc2.local>
Message-ID: <PC192200910021510120078255c879a@msapiro>

Sandi Gruver wrote:

>Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part --------------
>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
>
>
>Running Mailman 2.1.5 on RedHat ES4


Upgrading to a more recent Mailman (2.1.6 or 2.1.7 at least I think)
will fix this bug.

Otherwise, turning on content filtering should collapse the
multipart/alternative part to it's first sub-part which may avoid the
problem.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  3 01:29:24 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:29:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privacy issue
In-Reply-To: <6E6B977F-EDA7-4D08-9D58-11D64B789C39@colorist.org>
Message-ID: <PC192200910021629240921dc5e7fb1@msapiro>

Rob Lingelbach wrote:
>
>On Oct 1, 2009, at 11:07 AM, Monaghan, Patricia wrote:
>
>> Hello--I don't know if I'm writing to the right person.  I've just  
>> been alerted that all test of all messages on a DePaul mailman group  
>> are available to the public on google.  The list is private and I am  
>> concerned about this.  Could you tell me if this can be rectified  
>> and/or who to contact about this?
>
>Under Archiving Options, what settings are enabled?


If archive_private is set to private, the archives will be inaccessible
to google. If archive_private is public, google can index the
archives. If you switch it to private, it will take some time for the
entries to age out of google, but the links on googles pages won't
work.


>Also, contact your Systems Administrator and ask that the file  
>robots.txt be adjusted
>to disallow the list's archives from being indexed by google, though  
>I'm not certain that
>google follows the usual rules about robots.txt.


Of course it does. See
<http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=156449>,
but as pointed out there, robots.txt can prevent google from crawling
portions of your site, but won't stop it from indexing pages on your
site that it finds via external links. To stop this, you need to add a
robots meta tag to the pages
<http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=93710>. 

You could for example change the existing

     <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow">

tag in the archidxhead.html archtoc.html and archtocnombox.html
templates to

     <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,nofollow">

and the

   <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow">

tag in the article.html template to

   <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,nofollow">


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/jYA9> for information about
making modified templates.

Note that if you do this, you probably want to rebuild the archives
with bin/arch to update the existing pages.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  3 01:39:26 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:39:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listserv Management
In-Reply-To: <8c5c29d90910011046h1eb45270s1af66529803715b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC192200910021639260156dc5e7cb6@msapiro>

Jim Baker wrote:

>I am using your list management system to manage listservs.  Generally love
>it.


I know that use of Listserv(r) as a generic term to refer to an email
list or email list management software is ubiquitious, and I'm just
pissing in the wind to fight it, but Listserv(r) is a registered
trademark[1] owned by the developer of a particular email list
management product, and it shouldn't be used generically.

My personal interest in this is not to protect the Listserv(r)
trademark, but rather to avoid confusing Listserv(r) email list
management software with any other email list management software
including GNU Mailman of which I am a developer.

[1] <http://www.lsoft.com/corporate/trademark.asp>


>Is there a way that I can designate a user to be able to manage members of
>the list.  I only want them to be able to view, add and delete members.


Via the web GUI, not without significant code modification.

If they can get a command shell on the server, you can create a wrapper
to allow them to run selected Mailman commands. You could also create
the same kind of wrapper to allow the web server to do Mailman
commands and create, e.g., php web applications to do membership
maintenance. See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/uIA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  3 01:42:05 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:42:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman capabilities
In-Reply-To: <OFC7043D01.DB8EB416-ON85257643.0052BC71-86257643.0053DD25@fluor.com>
Message-ID: <PC192200910021642050890dc5e7f7f@msapiro>

Mark.Heath at Fluor.com wrote:

>I am researching mail solutions, I belong to a fire department that may 
>have a need to contact all community residents,
>Does your mail program handle 6,000 E-mail addresses?


A lot depends on the server hosting it, but yes, it does. See the FAQ
at <http://wiki.list.org/x/NoA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  3 01:48:22 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:48:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exporting emails from my mailing list to a
	textfile ?
In-Reply-To: <DBE8CE0DBA794FE0951AB6DF1BE5FB5B@juan>
Message-ID: <PC1922009100216482205004a62678a@msapiro>

INFO Juan F Ortiz . com wrote:
>
>I need to export all the emails from my mailing list to an text file, how can I do this ? 


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/aYA9>.


>Recently I had problems with my hosting because I have 1950 users and the max. qty. of emails per hoy I can send is 400, so when I send an email to the mailing list I have problems ( Lunar Pages ).   Please let me know what can I do. 


Find a new Mailman hosting service <http://wiki.list.org/x/Hg>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  3 02:18:56 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:18:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic newlist integration with
	Postfix'srelay_recipient_maps
In-Reply-To: <4AC241C6.7010804@rs-labs.com>
Message-ID: <PC192200910021718560578891be83a@msapiro>

Roman Medina-Heigl Hernandez wrote:
>
>I'd like to know if the following (known) problem is solved... The question
>is simple: how to integrate mailman with postfix in a secure way (no
>backscattering!!!) so that I could create a new list via mailman's UI
>*without* having to manually re-create (& refresh) a relay_recipient_maps
>(hash) file?


If your lists are all in domains in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS, you
can use hash:/path/to/data/virtual-mailman as a relay_recipient_maps
table.

>AFAIK, genaliases output is not valid for this task since
>relay_recipient_maps expects something like:
>user at domain.tld
>user2 at domain2.tld
>(i.e. it should contain full email addresses, while genaliases generates
>only usernames without the domain part).


That's true of aliases, but not of virtual-mailman.


>Any optimal solution for this?
>
>I think some people has his/her own script to build the recipient_maps by
>processing genaliases output, but it seems a bit "dirty" for me...
>Moreover, I'm using mailman's virtualhosts so it should calculate the right
>(virtual) domain for all existant lists. If that's the only solution I'd
>also like to have a look to your scripts.


If you are using POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS for all your lists as
discussed in the installation manual at
<http://www.list.org/mailman-install/postfix-virtual.html>, then you
already have data/virtual-mailman(.db) that can be used for
relay_recipient_maps.

If you are not using POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS at all, you can put
all your list domains in the POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [...]
list in mm_cfg.py, and use the resultant data/virtual-mailman(.db) as
relay_recipient_maps.

The only problem may be if you are currently using
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS for some but not all list domains. In
that case, data/virtual-mailman won't contain all the list addresses,
and if you augment POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS so it does, that may
adversely affect the use of data/virtual-mailman in virtual_alias_maps.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  3 02:27:30 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:27:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List serv
In-Reply-To: <0E7B01315B6F4E2D9BDD2F399DB93E91@SUSAN>
Message-ID: <PC192200910021727300625891be84f@msapiro>

Susan Wilson wrote:

>I want to set up a listserv for my 268 business education teacher members in
>my organization.


I know that use of Listserv(r) as a generic term to refer to an email
list or email list management software is ubiquitious, and I'm just
pissing in the wind to fight it, but Listserv(r) is a registered
trademark[1] owned by the developer of a particular email list
management product, and it shouldn't be used generically.

My personal interest in this is not to protect the Listserv(r)
trademark, but rather to avoid confusing Listserv(r) email list
management software with any other email list management software
including GNU Mailman of which I am a developer.

[1] <http://www.lsoft.com/corporate/trademark.asp>


>How do I do that?  Can you help?


Assuming you want a Mailman list, this depends on your situation. If
your organization already has a web/mail server (hosted or in house)
that supports Mailman, contact the server admins for help setting up a
list.

If you have an in-house server, but it doesn't currently support
Mailman, the server admins will have to install Mailman. You can find
the software and documentation at <http://www.list.org/>.

If you don't have an in-house server or a hosted server that supports
Mailman, see
<http://wiki.list.org/display/COM/Mailman+hosting+services> for a list
of some Mailman hosting services.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  3 02:41:45 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:41:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about members on several lists
In-Reply-To: <6166DAF11B548844952130C4F6C2124C0E539A0249@exch-2.sbctc2.local>
Message-ID: <PC192200910021741450718891be8bb@msapiro>

Sandi Gruver wrote:

>Members on List A and on List B only receive one copy of a message posted to both lists.
>They want to know why.


Do they receive messages posted individually to either list?


>Somewhere, awhile ago I found that this is a Microsoft Outlook 'feature' owing to the lack of message numbering in Mailman, but I searched the Mailman archives this afternoon without success in finding any documentation on the reason this happens.


For gmail users, this may be another manifestation of the issue
discussed at <http://wiki.list.org/x/2IA9>


>Any ideas where this is?
> 
>(We happily run Mailman 2.1.5.1 on RedHat Linux)


If the issue with Outlook can be mitigated by having a message # in the
Subject: header, current Mailman supports that.

If the issue is caused by the two messages having the same Message-ID,
Mailman is doing the right thing by not munging the Message-ID of the
incoming message. There may be some setting in Outlook to avoid this,
but I can't help with that.
 
-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  3 03:35:41 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:35:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Quick Question
In-Reply-To: <7c48fa700910010826p345ed097x9b7b82831801b333@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC192200910021835410984891be9c1@msapiro>

Dan Ellertson wrote:

>See questions and comments below with Barry.  And see attached screen shot.
>Do you have any solutions?  -- Dan


Your screen shot didn't make it to the list, but much more useful and
informative would be the HTML "page source" as displayed by your
browser (usually 'source', 'view source' or 'page source' on the
browser's view menu). Just select, copy and paste it into your email.

As far as I know, there are no Mailman web pages that set font size?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From stephen at xemacs.org  Sat Oct  3 07:17:59 2009
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:17:59 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird subject_prefix issue
In-Reply-To: <PC1922009100214061308751e06e938@msapiro>
References: <EF80AA494809654B9EE67C4DD650CC7810E3C1E8@exchange.ad.acadiau.ca>
	<PC1922009100214061308751e06e938@msapiro>
Message-ID: <87d455hx88.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Mark Sapiro writes:

 > My guess is that this one poster is Ccing you or whomever on the post
 > so you are receiving it directly from the poster and not from the list.

And the recipient(s) have nodups set in their subscription to that
list, to complete the confusion.  (It's also possible that the MTA or
the MUA is filtering dupes -- the message IDs will be identical -- for
them, and the direct mail just gets there a little faster.)


From stephen at xemacs.org  Sat Oct  3 07:33:05 2009
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:33:05 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Fwd: Quick Question
In-Reply-To: <7c48fa700910010826p345ed097x9b7b82831801b333@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c48fa700909302140s7092672bu426ddba9d05665c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<324CBC06-C249-4EA2-9DDA-765CF82A662C@list.org>
	<7c48fa700910010753i6c9df578m9cd4e2da2eafb3d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E764D4E-F890-4B6A-AC82-00EB6F93D91C@list.org>
	<7c48fa700910010826p345ed097x9b7b82831801b333@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87ab09hwj2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Dan Ellertson writes:

 >  See the attached screen shot.  The type size in Mailman has gone real
 > > small. I can hardly read it or work with.  This only happens with Mailman
 > > application.  And it started about a month ago and has not changed back for
 > > me. I don't know how to get it to reset. Thanks, Dan

Try a different GUI browser (obviously text browsers won't be much
help).  If you get a different result, it's your normal browser being
"helpful", and you'll have to tell it to stop that.

It's possible that you changed some default size setting in your
browser to fix some page that was displaying that was way too large,
and the rest of the pages you normally visit set fixed size fonts.[1]
This is especially common on intranets where all the employees get
standard screens, so it makes life easy for IT.

Footnotes: 
[1]  This is evil, but all too common on intranets.



From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Sat Oct  3 13:00:34 2009
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:00:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traceback Error
In-Reply-To: <PC1922009100214270301564954b4df@msapiro>
References: <20090927014345.GA20749@smtp.comcast.net>
	<PC1922009100214270301564954b4df@msapiro>
Message-ID: <20091003110034.GD31471@charite.de>

* Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>:

> See the post at
> <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-September/067223.html>.

Personally I think this would warrant a new point release...

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From stephen at xemacs.org  Sat Oct  3 15:35:14 2009
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:35:14 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traceback Error
In-Reply-To: <20091003110034.GD31471@charite.de>
References: <20090927014345.GA20749@smtp.comcast.net>
	<PC1922009100214270301564954b4df@msapiro>
	<20091003110034.GD31471@charite.de>
Message-ID: <874oqgiorx.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Ralf Hildebrandt writes:
 > * Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>:
 > 
 > > See the post at
 > > <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-September/067223.html>.
 > 
 > Personally I think this would warrant a new point release...

There's no great hurry according to
http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Installation+requirements.


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  3 21:59:18 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:59:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extra space in mime encoded headers
In-Reply-To: <4AC308CD.13102.19EF4D02@list_ob.gmx.net>
Message-ID: <PC192200910031259180062b15e6610@msapiro>

Oliver Betz wrote:
>
>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=5;bug=299032 
>describes a bug I'm suffering from: MIME encoded headers are re-
>encoded by mailman and spaces are added around each encoded 
>character.


If clients encoded the entire word instead of just single characters,
this wouldn't be an issue. I believe most clients do this, and I think
RFC 2047 effectively requires it.

The example problem header from the bug report is

Subject: abcd=?iso-8859-1?q?=e4?=ttt

RFC 2047 section 2 contains the following statement

 IMPORTANT: 'encoded-word's are designed to be recognized as 'atom's
 by an RFC 822 parser. 

In the above subject header, the encoded-word is =?iso-8859-1?q?= and
it is not an atom because atoms are delimited by white space.

Thus, this encoding is simply wrong, and it is the generating MUA that
is at fault.


>The affected mailman installation is 2.1.5 and maintained by a 
>hoster, not myself. Therefore I would like to know what to tell the 
>hoster.
>
>I couldn't find the bug in the mailman (Launchpad) bug tracker so I 
>wonder whether this bug is known to the developers and whether it's 
>fixed now.


The 'problem' still exists in some configurations. The underlying issue
is in the Python email.Header module. Current versions of the Python
email package from Python 2.5 and later will not parse the above
subject as containing an encoded-word at all, and a Mailman using one
of these email packages will probably just output that Subject: string
unchanged.

Older versions of the email package parse that Subject: into three
parts; 'abcd', the encoded word '=?iso-8859-1?q?=e4?=' and 'ttt'.
Then, when these pieces are reassembled the encoded word is properly
delimited by spaces, thus introducing the extra spaces you see.

This is complicated by the fact that prior to 2.1.12, Mailman used it's
own version of the email package instead of the underlying Python
version. Thus, you will see this problem behavior with Mailman 2.1.11
and before regardless of the Python version and also with Mailman
2.1.12 if the underlying Python is 2.4.x, but not with Mailman 2.1.12
if the underlying Python is 2.5 or newer.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  3 22:43:48 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:43:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traceback Error
In-Reply-To: <874oqgiorx.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <PC192200910031343480812b15e691c@msapiro>

Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

>Ralf Hildebrandt writes:
> > * Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>:
> > 
> > > See the post at
> > > <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-September/067223.html>.
> > 
> > Personally I think this would warrant a new point release...
>
>There's no great hurry according to
>http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Installation+requirements.


Actually, I think the problem also occurs with Mailman 2.1.12 and
Python 2.5.x, so we're not off the hook on that one.

I have not considered the problem to be that serious. I fixed it in
source at the end of July after hitting it on my own site. Before that
there was one report in April that I didn't correctly diagnose, and
two more reports since then.

However, besides this, there have been several other bug fixes since
2.1.12, and I intend to make a new release soon - certainly before the
end of the year.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From bernd at firmix.at  Sun Oct  4 01:48:52 2009
From: bernd at firmix.at (Bernd Petrovitsch)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 01:48:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird subject_prefix issue
In-Reply-To: <EF80AA494809654B9EE67C4DD650CC7810EFCE8D@exchange.ad.acadiau.ca>
References: <EF80AA494809654B9EE67C4DD650CC7810EFCE8D@exchange.ad.acadiau.ca>
Message-ID: <1254613732.2998.35.camel@gimli.petrovitsch.priv.at>

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From khillo100 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  4 07:22:52 2009
From: khillo100 at hotmail.com (Khalil Abbas)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 05:22:52 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fight spam !!
Message-ID: <COL105-W469EBC9E408A5508AF0724FBD00@phx.gbl>


ok now I'm really fed up! this is too freaking much!!!! incoming incoming incoming they never stop!!!

 

please, is there anyone who can refer to articles about how to know the source of these messages and how to report them to their ISPs and to there authorities ???

 

common people MUST be educated about this!! so if we kill 10% of the spam going on it will be a big achievement!

 

Thanks!

 
 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
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From cite+mailman-users at incertum.net  Sun Oct  4 09:30:23 2009
From: cite+mailman-users at incertum.net (Stefan =?utf-8?Q?F=C3=B6rster?=)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:30:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Yahoo Deferrals
In-Reply-To: <A05D18ED823F7348B124F8F9729E0D97B8C7B6@hq-srv-ex-01.turners.local>
References: <A05D18ED823F7348B124F8F9729E0D97B8C7B6@hq-srv-ex-01.turners.local>
Message-ID: <20091004073022.GC3823@mail.incertum.net>

* Jeff Grossman <jeffg at turners.com>:
> I have a question regarding Yahoo deferrals.  I know this subject has
> been talked about a lot.  Everything I could find via Google was from at
> least a year ago though.  I was wondering if anybody has found new ways
> of limiting the Yahoo deferrals?  I run two mailing lists.  Each one is
> an announcement only list which I send one message to each week.  One
> list is about 12,000 users and the other is about 9,000 users.  I have
> noticed that a majority of the e-mail addresses are from yahoo.com so I
> get a lot of the deferral messages and it takes a little while to get
> them all sent out.  Here is what I have done so far.
> 
> I am running Mailman version 2.1.12.  I have full personalization turned
> on to help with bounces.  I have all of the verp options turned on:
> 
> VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes
> 
> VERP_PROBES = Yes
> 
> VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes
> 
> Everything on the mailman side is working pretty well.
> 
> I am running Postfix 2.6.3.  I have the following configuration settings
> in my main.cf file:
> 
> slow_destination_recipient_limit = 5

You are using VERP - every message will be sent with one recipient
only, so you can safely remove this setting.

> slow_destination_concurrency_limit = 2
> 
> slow_destination_concurrency_failed_cohort_limit = 4

You are limiting yourself to eight temporary failures before Yahoo! is
declared dead. A higher failed_cohort_limit (e.g. 2000) would allow
far more temporary failures before delivery to Yahoo is suspended. I
suggest you give it a try once and compare the results.

I further suggest checking you logs and looking for scache entries
(conn_use=x in delivery lines and it's own scache entries).


Ciao
Stefan
-- 
Stefan F?rster     http://www.incertum.net/     Public Key: 0xBBE2A9E9
Recursive: Adj. See Recursive

From cite+mailman-users at incertum.net  Sun Oct  4 09:24:45 2009
From: cite+mailman-users at incertum.net (Stefan =?utf-8?Q?F=C3=B6rster?=)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:24:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Yahoo Deferrals
In-Reply-To: <20091002171211.GA316@charite.de>
References: <A05D18ED823F7348B124F8F9729E0D97B8C7B6@hq-srv-ex-01.turners.local>
	<20091002171211.GA316@charite.de>
Message-ID: <20091004072445.GB3823@mail.incertum.net>

Hello Ralf,

* Ralf Hildebrandt <Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de>:
> * Jeff Grossman <jeffg at turners.com>:
>> I have a question regarding Yahoo deferrals.  I know this subject has
>> been talked about a lot.  Everything I could find via Google was from at
>> least a year ago though.  I was wondering if anybody has found new ways
>> of limiting the Yahoo deferrals?  I run two mailing lists.
> 
> I run (with others) mail.python.org, and we send assloads of mail to
> yahoo!
> 
> What we did:
> 
> * set up DKIM for python.org
> * subscribed to/set up Yahoo's FBL: http://feedbackloop.yahoo.net/
> * made sure that whoever complains @yahoo gets unsubscribed silently
>   within a jiffy.
> 
> We haven't seen any large scale deferrals for a long time now.

I second that.

> I also use:
> yahoo.com  	slow:
> in transport_maps with
> 
> slow      unix  -       -       -       -       -       smtp
> in master.cf and
> 
> slow_delivery_rate_delay = 1s
> in main.cf

This, OTOH, is a pretty interesting choice - you do limit yourself
to 100 * 3600 mails per hour (you didn't show any
slow_destination_concurrency_limit settings, so I'm assuming stock
process limits) and that really makes a difference?


Ciao
Stefan
-- 
Stefan F?rster     http://www.incertum.net/     Public Key: 0xBBE2A9E9
FdI #19: voll konfigurierbar - nicht vorinstalliert. (Peter Berlich)

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Sun Oct  4 10:20:45 2009
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:20:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traceback Error
In-Reply-To: <PC192200910031343480812b15e691c@msapiro>
References: <874oqgiorx.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<PC192200910031343480812b15e691c@msapiro>
Message-ID: <20091004082045.GB21077@charite.de>

> >There's no great hurry according to
> >http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Installation+requirements.
> 
> 
> Actually, I think the problem also occurs with Mailman 2.1.12 and
> Python 2.5.x, so we're not off the hook on that one.

We're runnung 2.6.x, so I couldn't tell
 
> I have not considered the problem to be that serious. I fixed it in
> source at the end of July after hitting it on my own site. Before that
> there was one report in April that I didn't correctly diagnose, and two
> more reports since then.
> 
> However, besides this, there have been several other bug fixes since
> 2.1.12, and I intend to make a new release soon - certainly before the
> end of the year.

Good to hear.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Sun Oct  4 10:32:34 2009
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:32:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Yahoo Deferrals
In-Reply-To: <20091004072445.GB3823@mail.incertum.net>
References: <A05D18ED823F7348B124F8F9729E0D97B8C7B6@hq-srv-ex-01.turners.local>
	<20091002171211.GA316@charite.de>
	<20091004072445.GB3823@mail.incertum.net>
Message-ID: <20091004083234.GD21077@charite.de>

* Stefan F?rster <cite+mailman-users at incertum.net>:

> This, OTOH, is a pretty interesting choice - you do limit yourself
> to 100 * 3600 mails per hour (you didn't show any
> slow_destination_concurrency_limit settings, so I'm assuming stock
> process limits) and that really makes a difference?

It seems to work .)

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From kremels at kreme.com  Sun Oct  4 15:03:31 2009
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 07:03:31 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fight spam !!
In-Reply-To: <COL105-W469EBC9E408A5508AF0724FBD00@phx.gbl>
References: <COL105-W469EBC9E408A5508AF0724FBD00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E50DFFFA-BF3A-49E6-BCB3-38544177D683@kreme.com>

On 3-Oct-2009, at 23:22, Khalil Abbas wrote:
> common people MUST be educated about this!! so if we kill 10% of the  
> spam going on it will be a big achievement!

I kill about 98% of the spam reaching my server and spam is still a  
pretty big problem.


-- 
My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can
	feel it. I can feel it. I'm... afraid.


From stephen at xemacs.org  Sun Oct  4 15:40:43 2009
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:40:43 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  fight spam !!
In-Reply-To: <COL105-W469EBC9E408A5508AF0724FBD00@phx.gbl>
References: <COL105-W469EBC9E408A5508AF0724FBD00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <87vdivgtus.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Khalil Abbas writes:

 > ok now I'm really fed up! this is too freaking much!!!! incoming
 > incoming incoming they never stop!!!

This is not new.  We all deal with it.  There are several good
suggestions on reducing spam flow to Mailman (which reduces the burden
on your systems) in the FAQ.  There are patches for SpamAssassin and
SpamBayes integration into Mailman (but they are severely deprecated
unless there is *no* alternative; if you don't understand why, it is
strongly suggested that you learn because it's quite fundamental to
spam reduction; there are plenty of threads in the archives so I won't
repeat the litany here).

 > please, is there anyone who can refer to articles about how to know
 > the source of these messages and how to report them to their ISPs
 > and to there authorities ???

The traceable sources of the messages are indicated in the "Received:"
headers, which you can view by reading the message into a text editor,
and partially confirm from your MTA logs.  You need to be careful
about tracing back from your MTA, because those headers can easily be
spoofed.  When you are pretty sure you have identified a source, you
use the whois service to confirm the ISP, and find the address for
abuse reports (usually abuse at isp.com; if that bounces,
postmaster at isp.com; if that bounces you're basically out of luck).

However, those are almost never the real sources.  You will find that
they are machines that have been subverted as part of a botnet, and
the real source is well anonymized.

Reporting to the authorities is generally not very useful, because
they are way underfunded for chasing spammers starting from a spam
message even in the U.S.  China and Russia are way worse, and there is
some suspicion that some authorities in many countries are in cahoots
with the spammers.

 > common people MUST be educated about this!! so if we kill 10% of
 > the spam going on it will be a big achievement!

I teach for a living, and I can tell you that you can lead a student
to the library but you cannot make him read.  Forget about "educating
the common people".[1]  They're mostly safe inside their walled
communities at AOL, Google, and Hotmail, and are happy to blame the
occasional interruption on *your* system or on "the mail system" or
even on "the spammers".  But they just don't want to know about the
actions that would really be effective in stopping spam.


Footnotes: 
[1]  Including alleged experts.  The first spam I ever got from inside
my university firewall was sent from a machine owned by the head of
the engineering school, a computer science professor.


From linds42 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 21:49:06 2009
From: linds42 at gmail.com (Lindsay DeVries)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:49:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maiing list
Message-ID: <e63b2dcf0910021249h15ee9f9fxb6127bef76645824@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there, I'm TA-ing a course, and need to make a mailing list. I've done it
before, but can't seem to find where to apply for one again. Thanks!

-- 
Lindsay A. DeVries
Doctor of Audiology Student
Department of Speech and Hearing Sciences
University of Washington
206-755-1466

From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Sun Oct  4 03:29:35 2009
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 03:29:35 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain support
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0910040259120.3627@data.home>

Hello,

Apologies for jumping onto the list and posting right away, I  realise 
it's bad netiquette.

I admin two servers for a large non-profit organisation.  On Thursday, one 
of them died.  At the time we were using a different mailing list manager, 
but had plans to gently migrate the dozens of lists to Mailman.  Now what 
was going to be an orderly migration is now a frantic scramble, as mailing 
lists are the lifeblood of the workings of the organisation.

But I've run into a problem.  I'd assumed that Mailman could support 
virtual domains without list-name collisions, as I'd seen it done in a few 
places.  But according to the FAQ and everything else I've read this 
evening, it's not the case.

This is about all I know though.  There seems to be much posted on the 
subject.  It seems it'll be in version 3, and people have asked for it to 
be in version 2.2.  I've seen mentions of multiple patches and multiple 
versions ranging over the last 6 years or so.  And the WIKI FAQ entry, 
which itself was updated 2 years ago, points to a patch at 
http://nix.lauft.net/htdocs/mailman/ which is generating a "Connection 
Refused" error.  So I'm a bit stuck and am not sure where to go next.

I see I've only really got 4 choices:

1.  Use some other list manager.  I'm not keen on this.  I very much like 
Mailman and so does everyone else with any influence in the technical 
area.  Since we've struggled under the weight of an ancient version of 
EZMLM for 8 years, I'm *very* keen to move to Mailman ... and I'm not the 
only one.  I expect a revolt if I even dare to suggest this.

2.  Just install the Ubuntu package (2.1.9) as is and hope for the best. 
NOt a good idea.  Since I will be supporting at least 7 domains and 
probably 40+ mailing lists, the chances of a name collision is pretty 
high.  And I don't want to get the various list admins to put a prefix or 
suffix on their list names because people are bound to forget ... besides, 
there's also the domain-specific admin password that I also want.

3.  Multiple installs. I'd rather not do this if I can help it.  Not only 
do I have to make sure that all of them play nice with the mail system 
(postfix), but I can see the day when we'll want to upgrade, and that's 
going to mean upgrading something like 7 installations.  ergh.

4.  Use one of these patches.  This is my prefered route.  I can see I'm 
going to have to install from sources most likely unless there's a patched 
deb out there somewhere that's fairly current.  But as long as the patch 
does what is eventually going to be merged into the mainline code so that 
our lists won't break when we can finally upgrade to it, I should be OK to 
run it.

I thank you in advance for any advice anyone can give.  I've got a lot of 
people waiting for this installation, but I've said that I'm not going to 
rush it.   Still, I don't think I can stall too long either.

Cheers,
Geoff.


From bh at izb.knu.ac.kr  Sun Oct  4 08:17:59 2009
From: bh at izb.knu.ac.kr (=?utf-8?B?54mb57Kl?=)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:17:59 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fight spam !!
In-Reply-To: <COL105-W469EBC9E408A5508AF0724FBD00@phx.gbl> (Khalil Abbas's
	message of "Sun, 4 Oct 2009 05:22:52 +0000")
References: <COL105-W469EBC9E408A5508AF0724FBD00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <86skdz3co8.fsf@betla.izb.knu.ac.kr>

Khalil Abbas <khillo100 at hotmail.com> writes:

> ok now I'm really fed up! this is too freaking much!!!! incoming incoming incoming they never stop!!!
>
> please, is there anyone who can refer to articles about how to know the source of these messages and how to report them to their ISPs and to there authorities ???
>
> common people MUST be educated about this!! so if we kill 10% of the spam going on it will be a big achievement!
>

SpamAssassin is your friend ..;;

Sincerely,

-- 
"Why do we have to pay him? What can he do to the three of us? We're stronger
than him. We have guns. Why do we have to hand over the money we earned?"
"Fanucci has friends, real brutes. He has connections with the police. He'd
like us to tell him our plans because he could set us up for the corps and 
earn their gratitude. Then they would owe him a favor. That's how he operates.
And he has a license from Maranzalla himself to work this neighborhood."
		-- Vito Corleone and Peter Clemenza, "Chapter 14", page 198

From svante at tidholm.se  Sun Oct  4 10:43:32 2009
From: svante at tidholm.se (Svante Tidholm)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:43:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error I cant understand,
	probably related to listnames in accept_these_nonmembers
Message-ID: <3EA9D032-FFDF-4048-BE6F-75ED97FFE2BE@tidholm.se>

Hi all,
I have a problem with my lists that I cant understand.
I'm running mailman version 2.1.11 on a debian lenny xen-server.

I have 12 lists on a server, of which one is a umbrella list for the  
other ones.
But since I want all members of all lists to be able to post to the  
other lists, I've added the listnames of the other lists as  
"@listname" in accept_these_nonmembers.

Some days ago I was stupid and added all listnames to  
accept_these_nonmembers for all lists, which caused an error:
"Oct 01 18:16:26 2009 (1413) *_these_nonmembers in listname references  
own list"

This I corrected, but I still can't get mail to pass through. mail.log  
shows:

Oct  4 09:58:01 burk postfix/local[8620]: 8AF5A89F9C6: to=<test at friaskolan.se 
 >, relay=local, delay=0.45, delays=0.16/0.05/0/0.24, dsn=2.0.0,  
status=sent (delivered to command: /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post  
test)

there it ends.

The output of mailman/error.log is:

Oct 04 08:44:58 2009 (5310) SHUNTING:  
1254638696.3051779+93732af84a7f7b0bb7b3d050ab6168748b9d6715
Oct 04 09:58:05 2009 (8604) Uncaught runner exception: need more than  
1 value to unpack
Oct 04 09:58:05 2009 (8604) Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in  
_oneloop
     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 191, in  
_onefile
     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130,  
in _dispose
     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153,  
in _dopipeline
     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CalcRecips.py", line 100,  
in process
     recips = do_include(mlist, msg, msgdata, recips)
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CalcRecips.py", line 203,  
in do_include
     listlhs, hostname = listname.split('@')
ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack

Oct 04 09:58:05 2009 (8604) SHUNTING:  
1254643081.945178+4d955651efa6062a6af41dbbb9c9d39af812ff96

And an output of sudo ls -lR /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/
/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/:
total 4
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Sep 30 09:19 archive
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Oct  2 13:10 bounces
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Oct  3 09:45 commands
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Oct  4 09:58 in
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Sep  8 23:43 news
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Oct  4 08:59 out
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Sep  8 23:43 retry
drwxrws--- 2 list list 4096 Oct  4 09:58 shunt
drwxrws--- 2 root list    6 Oct  4 08:59 virgin

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/archive:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/bounces:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/commands:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/in:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/news:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/out:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/retry:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/shunt:
total 2792
-rw-rw---- 1 list list  830102 Oct  4 00:53  
1254302102.7639999+86ea59de3840234df107fdb5d8897ac5d1a2645b.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list  169071 Oct  4 00:53  
1254308639.74+c4c87cf0ea000a0bf446788a36be04220bfb7e63.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list  139193 Oct  4 00:53  
1254342341.352+be82feb79d81bdf22f2bec33bea6fce6e3e1f303.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    7335 Oct  4 00:53  
1254343329.312+13df2b6dac840a9d43db5dfab9e8170c732b0467.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    3230 Oct  4 00:53  
1254344956.868+3bb0ab80ce7615328ee09a3181a5888a90418ba8.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list  473549 Oct  4 00:53  
1254396140.704+8e5b656148d80bec4d6a7c50f0151b132ddb4137.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list   22928 Oct  4 00:53  
1254402346.7639999+4251040696ef8d1d904a45ad58629d082e3af73f.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    3443 Oct  4 00:53  
1254420722.664+45ec161fc97bb2acb688916e329bd18edab19b98.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    5002 Oct  4 00:53  
1254429835.7920001+c3e3d4025c4a52ea4d8299258eb58048f5b9c5a1.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    6708 Oct  4 00:53  
1254431276.164+52ed03ca8345ba0d89cca215c45f7a4dceea3194.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list   36396 Oct  4 00:53  
1254473620.632+9856cbe53a9b0206cffc47831567f377d0097a26.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list 1075194 Oct  4 00:53  
1254475131.152+decdb50e33ae90f6cae7bc6c9fc7865339daa24f.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    5392 Oct  4 00:53  
1254483690.9560001+70e2e170e6f57a1377111ac0c0a7912525b78b3f.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    5392 Oct  4 00:53  
1254483690.9879999+024ecbbce6c61f03292aba7bf52d3d290670147d.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    3163 Oct  4 00:53  
1254499823.684+e2c790a2358ef9acc62fe4fad7347d7cf2ef2c1f.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    3206 Oct  4 00:53  
1254499880.1159999+a9d00a053f8749fd08547e55a8a9ef8cf7e71e07.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    4295 Oct  4 00:53  
1254564768.6559999+2f0b923e610688c78be837ca6d8f52dcfa6853ad.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    3230 Oct  4 00:53  
1254592000.4820199+15531823458090911fef946b66d5822ae8541897.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    1727 Oct  4 00:53  
1254608293.9251781+21192bf0e32f48e31840b9bede3f60eeeea172b4.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    2458 Oct  4 08:21  
1254609564.0331781+cc90d61e41783565fa3546614f91cfffebaec359.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    3272 Oct  4 00:53  
1254609657.597178+6b2a8d197c52c7bbf1a9895681aa52adcad8b295.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    2454 Oct  4 08:21  
1254610930.5020199+572e39e7aa857c7ab043716f73109e30401ea100.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    1776 Oct  4 01:06  
1254611161.0451779+dc75121c9b7852ddb15075addbeeb5b60b551b33.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    1726 Oct  4 01:11  
1254611468.301178+a0c423d836690f223ffa7d92b600843140bba688.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    1726 Oct  4 08:44  
1254638696.3051779+93732af84a7f7b0bb7b3d050ab6168748b9d6715.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    1773 Oct  4 09:58  
1254643081.945178+4d955651efa6062a6af41dbbb9c9d39af812ff96.pck

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/virgin:
total 0

Can someone tell me how to fix this? Im guessing old mail with  
references to their own listnames in accept_these_nonmembers is still  
blocking the mailque, but I can't see them in qfiles, so I dont know  
whats wrong...


Svante


From svante at tidholm.se  Sun Oct  4 16:23:27 2009
From: svante at tidholm.se (Svante Tidholm)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:23:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error I cant understand,
	probably related to listnames in accept_these_nonmembers
Message-ID: <0B3CCA9F-5424-4582-8FA2-52B6540FDA4F@tidholm.se>

Hi all,
I have a problem with my lists that I cant understand.
I'm running mailman version 2.1.11 on a debian lenny xen-server.

I have 12 lists on a server, of which one is a umbrella list for the  
other ones.
But since I want all members of all lists to be able to post to the  
other lists, I've added the listnames of the other lists as  
"@listname" in accept_these_nonmembers.

Some days ago I was stupid and added ALL listnames (with an @ before)  
to accept_these_nonmembers for all lists, which caused an error:
"Oct 01 18:16:26 2009 (1413) *_these_nonmembers in listname references  
own list"

This I have corrected, but I still can't get mail to pass through.  
mail.log shows:

Oct  4 09:58:01 burk postfix/local[8620]: 8AF5A89F9C6: to=<test at friaskolan.se 
 >, relay=local, delay=0.45, delays=0.16/0.05/0/0.24, dsn=2.0.0,  
status=sent (delivered to command: /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post  
test)

there it ends.

The output of mailman/error.log is:

Oct 04 08:44:58 2009 (5310) SHUNTING:  
1254638696.3051779+93732af84a7f7b0bb7b3d050ab6168748b9d6715
Oct 04 09:58:05 2009 (8604) Uncaught runner exception: need more than  
1 value to unpack
Oct 04 09:58:05 2009 (8604) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 191, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130,  
in _dispose
    more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153,  
in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CalcRecips.py", line 100, in  
process
    recips = do_include(mlist, msg, msgdata, recips)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CalcRecips.py", line 203, in  
do_include
    listlhs, hostname = listname.split('@')
ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack

Oct 04 09:58:05 2009 (8604) SHUNTING:  
1254643081.945178+4d955651efa6062a6af41dbbb9c9d39af812ff96

And an output of sudo ls -lR /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/
/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/:
total 4
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Sep 30 09:19 archive
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Oct  2 13:10 bounces
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Oct  3 09:45 commands
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Oct  4 09:58 in
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Sep  8 23:43 news
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Oct  4 08:59 out
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Sep  8 23:43 retry
drwxrws--- 2 list list 4096 Oct  4 09:58 shunt
drwxrws--- 2 root list    6 Oct  4 08:59 virgin

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/archive:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/bounces:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/commands:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/in:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/news:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/out:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/retry:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/shunt:
total 2792
-rw-rw---- 1 list list  830102 Oct  4 00:53  
1254302102.7639999+86ea59de3840234df107fdb5d8897ac5d1a2645b.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list  169071 Oct  4 00:53  
1254308639.74+c4c87cf0ea000a0bf446788a36be04220bfb7e63.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list  139193 Oct  4 00:53  
1254342341.352+be82feb79d81bdf22f2bec33bea6fce6e3e1f303.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    7335 Oct  4 00:53  
1254343329.312+13df2b6dac840a9d43db5dfab9e8170c732b0467.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    3230 Oct  4 00:53  
1254344956.868+3bb0ab80ce7615328ee09a3181a5888a90418ba8.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list  473549 Oct  4 00:53  
1254396140.704+8e5b656148d80bec4d6a7c50f0151b132ddb4137.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list   22928 Oct  4 00:53  
1254402346.7639999+4251040696ef8d1d904a45ad58629d082e3af73f.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    3443 Oct  4 00:53  
1254420722.664+45ec161fc97bb2acb688916e329bd18edab19b98.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    5002 Oct  4 00:53  
1254429835.7920001+c3e3d4025c4a52ea4d8299258eb58048f5b9c5a1.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    6708 Oct  4 00:53  
1254431276.164+52ed03ca8345ba0d89cca215c45f7a4dceea3194.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list   36396 Oct  4 00:53  
1254473620.632+9856cbe53a9b0206cffc47831567f377d0097a26.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list 1075194 Oct  4 00:53  
1254475131.152+decdb50e33ae90f6cae7bc6c9fc7865339daa24f.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    5392 Oct  4 00:53  
1254483690.9560001+70e2e170e6f57a1377111ac0c0a7912525b78b3f.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    5392 Oct  4 00:53  
1254483690.9879999+024ecbbce6c61f03292aba7bf52d3d290670147d.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    3163 Oct  4 00:53  
1254499823.684+e2c790a2358ef9acc62fe4fad7347d7cf2ef2c1f.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    3206 Oct  4 00:53  
1254499880.1159999+a9d00a053f8749fd08547e55a8a9ef8cf7e71e07.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    4295 Oct  4 00:53  
1254564768.6559999+2f0b923e610688c78be837ca6d8f52dcfa6853ad.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    3230 Oct  4 00:53  
1254592000.4820199+15531823458090911fef946b66d5822ae8541897.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    1727 Oct  4 00:53  
1254608293.9251781+21192bf0e32f48e31840b9bede3f60eeeea172b4.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    2458 Oct  4 08:21  
1254609564.0331781+cc90d61e41783565fa3546614f91cfffebaec359.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    3272 Oct  4 00:53  
1254609657.597178+6b2a8d197c52c7bbf1a9895681aa52adcad8b295.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    2454 Oct  4 08:21  
1254610930.5020199+572e39e7aa857c7ab043716f73109e30401ea100.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    1776 Oct  4 01:06  
1254611161.0451779+dc75121c9b7852ddb15075addbeeb5b60b551b33.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    1726 Oct  4 01:11  
1254611468.301178+a0c423d836690f223ffa7d92b600843140bba688.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    1726 Oct  4 08:44  
1254638696.3051779+93732af84a7f7b0bb7b3d050ab6168748b9d6715.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    1773 Oct  4 09:58  
1254643081.945178+4d955651efa6062a6af41dbbb9c9d39af812ff96.pck

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/virgin:
total 0

I tried to create a new list with just me in it, and it worked fine,  
which makes me even more baffled.

Can someone tell me how to fix this? Im guessing old mail with  
references to their own listnames in accept_these_nonmembers is still  
blocking the mailque, but I can't see them in qfiles, so I dont know  
whats wrong...

Svante


From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Sun Oct  4 18:05:07 2009
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 18:05:07 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain support
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0910041804420.27475@data.home>

Hello,

Apologies for jumping onto the list and posting right away, I  realise it's bad 
netiquette.

I admin two servers for a large non-profit organisation.  On Thursday, one of 
them died.  At the time we were using a different mailing list manager, but had 
plans to gently migrate the dozens of lists to Mailman.  Now what was going to 
be an orderly migration is now a frantic scramble, as mailing lists are the 
lifeblood of the workings of the organisation.

But I've run into a problem.  I'd assumed that Mailman could support virtual 
domains without list-name collisions, as I'd seen it done in a few places.  But 
according to the FAQ and everything else I've read this evening, it's not the 
case.

This is about all I know though.  There seems to be much posted on the subject. 
It seems it'll be in version 3, and people have asked for it to be in version 
2.2.  I've seen mentions of multiple patches and multiple versions ranging over 
the last 6 years or so.  And the WIKI FAQ entry, which itself was updated 2 
years ago, points to a patch at http://nix.lauft.net/htdocs/mailman/ which is 
generating a "Connection Refused" error.  So I'm a bit stuck and am not sure 
where to go next.

I see I've only really got 4 choices:

1.  Use some other list manager.  I'm not keen on this.  I very much like 
Mailman and so does everyone else with any influence in the technical area. 
Since we've struggled under the weight of an ancient version of EZMLM for 8 
years, I'm *very* keen to move to Mailman ... and I'm not the only one.  I 
expect a revolt if I even dare to suggest this.

2.  Just install the Ubuntu package (2.1.9) as is and hope for the best. NOt a 
good idea.  Since I will be supporting at least 7 domains and probably 40+ 
mailing lists, the chances of a name collision is pretty high.  And I don't 
want to get the various list admins to put a prefix or suffix on their list 
names because people are bound to forget ... besides, there's also the 
domain-specific admin password that I also want.

3.  Multiple installs. I'd rather not do this if I can help it.  Not only do I 
have to make sure that all of them play nice with the mail system (postfix), 
but I can see the day when we'll want to upgrade, and that's going to mean 
upgrading something like 7 installations.  ergh.

4.  Use one of these patches.  This is my prefered route.  I can see I'm going 
to have to install from sources most likely unless there's a patched deb out 
there somewhere that's fairly current.  But as long as the patch does what is 
eventually going to be merged into the mainline code so that our lists won't 
break when we can finally upgrade to it, I should be OK to run it.

I thank you in advance for any advice anyone can give.  I've got a lot of 
people waiting for this installation, but I've said that I'm not going to rush 
it.   Still, I don't think I can stall too long either.

Cheers,
Geoff.

From svante at tidholm.se  Sun Oct  4 19:51:35 2009
From: svante at tidholm.se (Svante Tidholm)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:51:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More info re my errors
Message-ID: <508BB47B-6069-490A-AD5C-F311309E4AD9@tidholm.se>

Hi all,
my last two emails to the list has not been let through, I dont know  
why.
But. This is more info regarding my previous two posts. I hope they  
come through...

Some lists are working, some are not. Bounces are always working.

I can't figure out why. I've compared the outputs of sudo /var/lib/ 
mailman/bin/config_list -o - data  | grep -v "^#" | grep -v "^$"
And the differencies cant be the factor that causes this. Test is the  
list that is working. The one named Data is not.

--- untitled
+++ (clipboard)
@@ -1,9 +1,10 @@
-real_name = 'Test'
+real_name = 'Data'
  owner = ['email at email.se']
  moderator = []
-subject_prefix = '[Test] '
+subject_prefix = '[Data] '
  anonymous_list = False
  first_strip_reply_to = False
  reply_goes_to_list = 0
@@ -38,7 +39,7 @@
  %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s"""
  scrub_nondigest = False
  regular_exclude_lists = []
-regular_include_lists = []
+regular_include_lists = ['']
  digestable = True
  digest_is_default = False
  mime_is_default_digest = False
@@ -50,12 +51,12 @@
  %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s
  %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s"""
  digest_volume_frequency = 1
-advertised = True
-subscribe_policy = 1
+advertised = 1
+subscribe_policy = 3
  unsubscribe_policy = 0
  ban_list = []
  private_roster = 1
-obscure_addresses = True
+obscure_addresses = 1
  default_member_moderation = 0
  member_moderation_action = 0
  member_moderation_notice = ''
@@ -84,7 +85,7 @@
  bounce_notify_owner_on_disable = True
  bounce_notify_owner_on_removal = True
  archive = True
-archive_private = 0
+archive_private = 1
  archive_volume_frequency = 1
  nntp_host = ''
  linked_newsgroup = ''
@@ -118,4 +119,4 @@
  filter_action = 0
  topics_enabled = 0
  topics_bodylines_limit = 5
-topics = []
+topics = []
\ No newline at end of file


This is from error log:

Oct 04 19:45:12 2009 (12174) Uncaught runner exception: need more than  
1 value to unpack
Oct 04 19:45:12 2009 (12174) Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in  
_oneloop
     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 191, in  
_onefile
     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130,  
in _dispose
     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153,  
in _dopipeline
     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CalcRecips.py", line 100,  
in process
     recips = do_include(mlist, msg, msgdata, recips)
   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CalcRecips.py", line 203,  
in do_include
     listlhs, hostname = listname.split('@')
ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack

Oct 04 19:45:12 2009 (12174) SHUNTING:  
1254678311.4251781+00c4f0d62d3d7a99027050db3a165d6cbec08cb7



From svante at tidholm.se  Mon Oct  5 09:58:04 2009
From: svante at tidholm.se (Svante Tidholm)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:58:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error I cant understand,
	probably related to listnames in accept_these_nonmembers,
	error "ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack"
Message-ID: <BBAA823B-F1BD-4860-97D6-65FAE89C5AD2@tidholm.se>

Hi all,
I have a problem with my lists that I cant understand.
I'm running mailman version 2.1.11 on a debian lenny xen-server.

I have 12 lists on a server, of which one is a umbrella list for the  
other ones.
But since I want all members of all lists to be able to post to the  
other lists, I've added the listnames of the other lists as  
"@listname" in accept_these_nonmembers.

Some days ago I was stupid and added ALL listnames (with an @ before)  
to accept_these_nonmembers for all lists, which caused an error:
"Oct 01 18:16:26 2009 (1413) *_these_nonmembers in listname references  
own list"

This I have corrected, but I still can't get mail to pass through.  
mail.log shows:

Oct  4 09:58:01 burk postfix/local[8620]: 8AF5A89F9C6: to=<test at hostname.se 
 >, relay=local, delay=0.45, delays=0.16/0.05/0/0.24, dsn=2.0.0,  
status=sent (delivered to command: /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post  
test)

there it ends.

The output of mailman/error.log is:

Oct 04 08:44:58 2009 (5310) SHUNTING:  
1254638696.3051779+93732af84a7f7b0bb7b3d050ab6168748b9d6715
Oct 04 09:58:05 2009 (8604) Uncaught runner exception: need more than  
1 value to unpack
Oct 04 09:58:05 2009 (8604) Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in _oneloop
   self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 191, in _onefile
   keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in  
_dispose
   more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in  
_dopipeline
   sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CalcRecips.py", line 100, in  
process
   recips = do_include(mlist, msg, msgdata, recips)
File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CalcRecips.py", line 203, in  
do_include
   listlhs, hostname = listname.split('@')
ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack

Oct 04 09:58:05 2009 (8604) SHUNTING:  
1254643081.945178+4d955651efa6062a6af41dbbb9c9d39af812ff96

And an output of sudo ls -lR /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/
/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/:
total 4
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Sep 30 09:19 archive
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Oct  2 13:10 bounces
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Oct  3 09:45 commands
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Oct  4 09:58 in
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Sep  8 23:43 news
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Oct  4 08:59 out
drwxrws--- 2 list list    6 Sep  8 23:43 retry
drwxrws--- 2 list list 4096 Oct  4 09:58 shunt
drwxrws--- 2 root list    6 Oct  4 08:59 virgin

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/archive:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/bounces:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/commands:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/in:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/news:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/out:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/retry:
total 0

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/shunt:
total 2792
-rw-rw---- 1 list list  830102 Oct  4 00:53  
1254302102.7639999+86ea59de3840234df107fdb5d8897ac5d1a2645b.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list  169071 Oct  4 00:53  
1254308639.74+c4c87cf0ea000a0bf446788a36be04220bfb7e63.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list  139193 Oct  4 00:53  
1254342341.352+be82feb79d81bdf22f2bec33bea6fce6e3e1f303.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    7335 Oct  4 00:53  
1254343329.312+13df2b6dac840a9d43db5dfab9e8170c732b0467.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    3230 Oct  4 00:53  
1254344956.868+3bb0ab80ce7615328ee09a3181a5888a90418ba8.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list  473549 Oct  4 00:53  
1254396140.704+8e5b656148d80bec4d6a7c50f0151b132ddb4137.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list   22928 Oct  4 00:53  
1254402346.7639999+4251040696ef8d1d904a45ad58629d082e3af73f.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    3443 Oct  4 00:53  
1254420722.664+45ec161fc97bb2acb688916e329bd18edab19b98.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    5002 Oct  4 00:53  
1254429835.7920001+c3e3d4025c4a52ea4d8299258eb58048f5b9c5a1.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    6708 Oct  4 00:53  
1254431276.164+52ed03ca8345ba0d89cca215c45f7a4dceea3194.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list   36396 Oct  4 00:53  
1254473620.632+9856cbe53a9b0206cffc47831567f377d0097a26.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list 1075194 Oct  4 00:53  
1254475131.152+decdb50e33ae90f6cae7bc6c9fc7865339daa24f.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    5392 Oct  4 00:53  
1254483690.9560001+70e2e170e6f57a1377111ac0c0a7912525b78b3f.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    5392 Oct  4 00:53  
1254483690.9879999+024ecbbce6c61f03292aba7bf52d3d290670147d.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    3163 Oct  4 00:53  
1254499823.684+e2c790a2358ef9acc62fe4fad7347d7cf2ef2c1f.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    3206 Oct  4 00:53  
1254499880.1159999+a9d00a053f8749fd08547e55a8a9ef8cf7e71e07.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    4295 Oct  4 00:53  
1254564768.6559999+2f0b923e610688c78be837ca6d8f52dcfa6853ad.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    3230 Oct  4 00:53  
1254592000.4820199+15531823458090911fef946b66d5822ae8541897.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    1727 Oct  4 00:53  
1254608293.9251781+21192bf0e32f48e31840b9bede3f60eeeea172b4.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    2458 Oct  4 08:21  
1254609564.0331781+cc90d61e41783565fa3546614f91cfffebaec359.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    3272 Oct  4 00:53  
1254609657.597178+6b2a8d197c52c7bbf1a9895681aa52adcad8b295.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    2454 Oct  4 08:21  
1254610930.5020199+572e39e7aa857c7ab043716f73109e30401ea100.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    1776 Oct  4 01:06  
1254611161.0451779+dc75121c9b7852ddb15075addbeeb5b60b551b33.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    1726 Oct  4 01:11  
1254611468.301178+a0c423d836690f223ffa7d92b600843140bba688.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    1726 Oct  4 08:44  
1254638696.3051779+93732af84a7f7b0bb7b3d050ab6168748b9d6715.pck
-rw-rw---- 1 list list    1773 Oct  4 09:58  
1254643081.945178+4d955651efa6062a6af41dbbb9c9d39af812ff96.pck

/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/virgin:
total 0

I tried to create a new list with just me in it, and it worked fine,  
which makes me even more baffled. Bounces come through correct too,  
and other mail so postfix is working as it should.

I've compared the outputs of sudo /var/lib/mailman/bin/config_list -o  
- data  | grep -v "^#" | grep -v "^$"
And the differencies cant be the factor that causes this. Test is the  
list that is working. The one named Data is not.

--- test.config
+++ data.config
@@ -1,9 +1,10 @@
-real_name = 'Test'
+real_name = 'Data'
owner = ['email at email.se']
moderator = []
-subject_prefix = '[Test] '
+subject_prefix = '[Data] '
anonymous_list = False
first_strip_reply_to = False
reply_goes_to_list = 0
@@ -38,7 +39,7 @@
%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s"""
scrub_nondigest = False
regular_exclude_lists = []
-regular_include_lists = []
+regular_include_lists = ['']
digestable = True
digest_is_default = False
mime_is_default_digest = False
@@ -50,12 +51,12 @@
%(real_name)s@%(host_name)s
%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s"""
digest_volume_frequency = 1
-advertised = True
-subscribe_policy = 1
+advertised = 1
+subscribe_policy = 3
unsubscribe_policy = 0
ban_list = []
private_roster = 1
-obscure_addresses = True
+obscure_addresses = 1
default_member_moderation = 0
member_moderation_action = 0
member_moderation_notice = ''
@@ -84,7 +85,7 @@
bounce_notify_owner_on_disable = True
bounce_notify_owner_on_removal = True
archive = True
-archive_private = 0
+archive_private = 1
archive_volume_frequency = 1
nntp_host = ''
linked_newsgroup = ''
@@ -118,4 +119,4 @@
filter_action = 0
topics_enabled = 0
topics_bodylines_limit = 5
-topics = []
+topics = []
\ No newline at end of file

Can someone helpt me to fix this? Im guessing old mail with references  
to their own listnames in accept_these_nonmembers is still blocking  
the mailque, but I can't see them in qfiles, so I dont know whats  
wrong...

I guess an option would be to recreate all lists, and move users from  
old lists to the new ones to see if that works... But that sounds like  
a lot of work.

All help appreciated!!

Svante


From pmoss4 at csc.com  Mon Oct  5 12:47:19 2009
From: pmoss4 at csc.com (Patricia A Moss)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:47:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strangely mailman stopped sending outgoing email
In-Reply-To: <20091002203036.GL316@charite.de>
References: <OF059A859F.9CE8C73B-ON85257640.0067E323-85257640.006890DF@csc.com>
	<20091002203036.GL316@charite.de>
Message-ID: <OFF0D62024.6EB0D19D-ON85257646.003B4BA6-85257646.003B6027@csc.com>

Yes.  I believe there are 8 qrunners and they are all running. 
I even stopped and restarted both sendmail and mailman, but that did not 
have a positive effect.


PATI MOSS
System Engineer Sr. Professional
CSC





From:
Ralf Hildebrandt <Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de>
To:
mailman-users at python.org
Date:
10/02/2009 04:30 PM
Subject:
Re: [Mailman-Users] Strangely mailman stopped sending outgoing email



* Patricia A Moss <pmoss4 at csc.com>:

> Last week, Friday, mailman stopped sending out  and receiving email.  I 
> started troubleshooting and found that there were firewall rules that 
had 
> been changed that appeared to be causing the problem.  Those changes 
were 
> reverted and mailman began receiving email.  However it was still not 
> sending out email.  I had the Sendmail people check all of the servers 
to 
> confirm that the servers were sending and receiving. 
> Then, from the mailman server, I ran a manual test against the SMTP 
> server.  That resulted in an email to my mailbox:

Queue runner up & running?

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From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct  5 16:28:24 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:28:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maiing list
In-Reply-To: <e63b2dcf0910021249h15ee9f9fxb6127bef76645824@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC192200910050728240703d255be97@msapiro>

Lindsay DeVries wrote:

>Hi there, I'm TA-ing a course, and need to make a mailing list. I've done it
>before, but can't seem to find where to apply for one again. Thanks!


This is a question for the computing support staff at your university.
Mailman-Users at python.org can't help with this.

-- 
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San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct  5 16:35:22 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:35:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
In-Reply-To: <36083.41.189.4.155.1254173967.squirrel@webmail.flipafrica.org>
Message-ID: <PC192200910050735220390d255bd5c@msapiro>

stayinspired at flipafrica.org wrote:

>am having problems in using the mailing list after it has been created.pls
>wat do i do


The list member manual can be found at <http://www.list.org/users.html>.

List admin documentation is at <http://www.list.org/admins.html>.

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From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct  5 16:51:48 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:51:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error I cant understand,
	probably related to listnames in accept_these_nonmembers
In-Reply-To: <3EA9D032-FFDF-4048-BE6F-75ED97FFE2BE@tidholm.se>
Message-ID: <PC1922009100507514809218957b449@msapiro>

Svante Tidholm wrote:

>I have a problem with my lists that I cant understand.
>I'm running mailman version 2.1.11 on a debian lenny xen-server.
>
>I have 12 lists on a server, of which one is a umbrella list for the  
>other ones.
>But since I want all members of all lists to be able to post to the  
>other lists, I've added the listnames of the other lists as  
>"@listname" in accept_these_nonmembers.
>
>Some days ago I was stupid and added all listnames to  
>accept_these_nonmembers for all lists, which caused an error:
>"Oct 01 18:16:26 2009 (1413) *_these_nonmembers in listname references  
>own list"
>
>This I corrected, but I still can't get mail to pass through. mail.log  
>shows:
>
>Oct  4 09:58:01 burk postfix/local[8620]: 8AF5A89F9C6: to=<test at friaskolan.se 
> >, relay=local, delay=0.45, delays=0.16/0.05/0/0.24, dsn=2.0.0,  
>status=sent (delivered to command: /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post  
>test)
>
>there it ends.
>
>The output of mailman/error.log is:
>
>Oct 04 08:44:58 2009 (5310) SHUNTING:  
>1254638696.3051779+93732af84a7f7b0bb7b3d050ab6168748b9d6715
>Oct 04 09:58:05 2009 (8604) Uncaught runner exception: need more than  
>1 value to unpack
>Oct 04 09:58:05 2009 (8604) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in  
>_oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 191, in  
>_onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130,  
>in _dispose
>     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153,  
>in _dopipeline
>     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CalcRecips.py", line 100,  
>in process
>     recips = do_include(mlist, msg, msgdata, recips)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CalcRecips.py", line 203,  
>in do_include
>     listlhs, hostname = listname.split('@')
>ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack


The problem appears to be a list with a value in regular_include_lists
that is maybe a bare listname. the values in regular_include_lists and
regular_exclude_lists are list posting addresses, e.g.
otherlist at example.com, not plain list names.

>From your config_list diff:

-regular_include_lists = []
+regular_include_lists = ['']

This is the problem. It looks empty in the web gui, but it contains a
null line. Select the entire text box and clear it.

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From kjohnson at pcc.edu  Mon Oct  5 17:53:39 2009
From: kjohnson at pcc.edu (Kirke Johnson)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:53:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fight spam !!
In-Reply-To: <E50DFFFA-BF3A-49E6-BCB3-38544177D683@kreme.com>
References: <COL105-W469EBC9E408A5508AF0724FBD00@phx.gbl>
	<E50DFFFA-BF3A-49E6-BCB3-38544177D683@kreme.com>
Message-ID: <200910051553.n95FrrwI029450@mailout.pcc.edu>

We give list owners the option of blocking all email arriving from 
the outside Internet. The majority, having only subscribers inside 
the College, choose to do this. This is implemented by a custom rule 
at our spam filtering provider, Proofpoint.

We have found this technique to be essentially 100% effective for 
those lists. Subscribers who insist on forwarding their email to an 
outside ISP can still post to lists using our internal email web 
client via the Portal. Some don't like that, but they don't like spam either.

At 06:03 AM 10/4/2009, you wrote:
>On 3-Oct-2009, at 23:22, Khalil Abbas wrote:
> > common people MUST be educated about this!! so if we kill 10% of the
> > spam going on it will be a big achievement!
>
>I kill about 98% of the spam reaching my server and spam is still a
>pretty big problem.
>
>
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From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct  5 18:40:08 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:40:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain support
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0910040259120.3627@data.home>
Message-ID: <PC1922009100509400805467192e7ea@msapiro>

Geoff Shang wrote:
>
>This is about all I know though.  There seems to be much posted on the 
>subject.  It seems it'll be in version 3, and people have asked for it to 
>be in version 2.2.  I've seen mentions of multiple patches and multiple 
>versions ranging over the last 6 years or so.  And the WIKI FAQ entry, 
>which itself was updated 2 years ago, points to a patch at 
>http://nix.lauft.net/htdocs/mailman/ which is generating a "Connection 
>Refused" error.  So I'm a bit stuck and am not sure where to go next.


You seem to have done your homework well, and to have a good
understanding of the issues.

I found http://ndim.fedorapeople.org/stuff/mailman-vhost/ which appears
to contain the same patches that were at
http://nix.lauft.net/htdocs/mailman/.

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From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct  5 22:32:23 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:32:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain support
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0910051924400.3627@data.home>
Message-ID: <PC192200910051332230968d36370df@msapiro>

Geoff Shang wrote
>
>This stuff looks a bit old.  It's patches against Mailman 2.1.7 and files 
>seem to date back to 2006.  The docs talk about what's going to happen in 
>2008.
>
>Does this code patch against 2.1.12?  Is there newer code than this or 
>should I get it from git?  And is there any more documentation than the 
>ReadMe files on this site?


I just applied the mailman-2.1.7-20060114-to-vhost.patch to the 2.1.12
base and it applied with only two rejects, both of which are easy to
fix. Whether the patched code will actually work and meet your
requirements, I can't say.


>I thought I saw a branch up in the Launchpad project that deals with this. 
>Is that a better place to start than these patches?


Maybe, but I don't see one at
<https://code.launchpad.net/mailman?field.lifecycle=ALL>.


>Are these patches 
>still the recommended way to achieve what I'm looking for?


I don't recommend any of these patches. Multiple Mailman instances is
the recommended way for Mailman 2.1


>My concerns right now are:
>
>1. I need to implement this on a production system, so it has to implement 
>the ability to have the same list names on multiple domains and 
>domain-specific site passwords.  And it needs to be stable (i.e. it needs 
>to work as advertised).


I don't see that these patches implement a domain specific site
password.


>2.  I need to deploy this pretty quickly so I need some documentation or 
>at least people willing to help if I get stuck.


I'm not aware of any documentation for this patch beyond what's in the
README files.


>and
>3.  I need to know if the changes proposed here (or anywhere) will be 
>compatible with what will eventually be adopted in mainline, or at least 
>that there will be some kind of migration path.  I can't really afford to 
>send us down a dead-end path.


My recommendation would be to create separate Mailman instances per
domain. I know you said originally

>3.  Multiple installs. I'd rather not do this if I can help it.  Not
>only do I have to make sure that all of them play nice with the mail
>system (postfix), but I can see the day when we'll want to upgrade, and
>that's going to mean upgrading something like 7 installations.  ergh.


This may be a pain if you use a package that isn't designed for it, but
if you install from source and you have Mailman generating aliases and
virtual maps for Postfix, all this means is you need to add 7 entries
to alias_maps and virtual_alias_maps instead of just one.

And as long as you keep track of your configure commands, upgrading a
source install is very easy and straightforward. Upgrading 7 unpatched
installations is probably easier than upgrading 1 patched one.

We know this works, and there will be a migration path to MM 3.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct  5 23:55:33 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:55:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain support
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0910052303010.3627@data.home>
Message-ID: <PC19220091005145533007840d3cfaf@msapiro>

Geoff Shang wrote:
>
>Ok...This is tarting to sound doable.  It also means I can get the most 
>important domains up quickly.  Is there any documentation for doing this? 
>I need to have 7 lots of everything, right?
>


The post at
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-June/037443.html>
(linked from the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030604>) has good
information. I don't thing there's anything better collected in one
place.

You do need to have 7 complete installations of Mailman, but only one
Postfix and one web server.

You can start with just one or two instances, but give some thought to
how you will name things before you start.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rob.macgregor at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 10:18:21 2009
From: rob.macgregor at gmail.com (Rob MacGregor)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:18:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maiing list
In-Reply-To: <e63b2dcf0910021249h15ee9f9fxb6127bef76645824@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e63b2dcf0910021249h15ee9f9fxb6127bef76645824@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43ea8d070910050118m65e13bedq28e7824c91fe1292@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 20:49, Lindsay DeVries <linds42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi there, I'm TA-ing a course, and need to make a mailing list. I've done it
> before, but can't seem to find where to apply for one again. Thanks!

This is a mailing list about the software mailman, which helps you run
your own mailing lists.  This isn't a list about finding list servers
accessible to all ;)

That said, the question is common enough that I'm sure you'll find
pointers in the list archive.  Indeed here's a sample for you:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg54661.html

-- 
                 Please keep list traffic on the list.

Rob MacGregor
      Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he
        doesn't become a monster.                  Friedrich Nietzsche

From ryan.1002 at osu.edu  Mon Oct  5 14:48:13 2009
From: ryan.1002 at osu.edu (Mark Ryan)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 08:48:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fight spam !!
In-Reply-To: <86skdz3co8.fsf@betla.izb.knu.ac.kr>
References: <COL105-W469EBC9E408A5508AF0724FBD00@phx.gbl>
	<86skdz3co8.fsf@betla.izb.knu.ac.kr>
Message-ID: <009501ca45ba$1a7aced0$4f706c70$@1002@osu.edu>

We also use Postgrey on our server in addition to SpamAssassin...that also
seems to help cut down on spam.

Mark

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"
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 2:18 AM
To: Khalil Abbas
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] fight spam !!

Khalil Abbas <khillo100 at hotmail.com> writes:

> ok now I'm really fed up! this is too freaking much!!!! incoming incoming
incoming they never stop!!!
>
> please, is there anyone who can refer to articles about how to know the
source of these messages and how to report them to their ISPs and to there
authorities ???
>
> common people MUST be educated about this!! so if we kill 10% of the spam
going on it will be a big achievement!
>

SpamAssassin is your friend ..;;

Sincerely,

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than him. We have guns. Why do we have to hand over the money we earned?"
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like us to tell him our plans because he could set us up for the corps and 
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From list_ob at gmx.net  Mon Oct  5 15:51:03 2009
From: list_ob at gmx.net (Oliver Betz)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:51:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extra space in mime encoded headers
In-Reply-To: <PC192200910031259180062b15e6610@msapiro>
References: <4AC308CD.13102.19EF4D02@list_ob.gmx.net>,
	<PC192200910031259180062b15e6610@msapiro>
Message-ID: <4AC9F9C7.25745.350C9797@list_ob.gmx.net>

Mark Sapiro wrote:

("MIME encoded headers are re-> >encoded by mailman and spaces are 
added around each encoded character.")

likely my description was based on incorrect assumptions.

> If clients encoded the entire word instead of just single characters,
> this wouldn't be an issue. I believe most clients do this, and I think

I looked at other messages from this sender (received directly) and 
the subjects were encoded entirely so I thought this was also the 
case for the messages transported by mailman.

Now I asked him for a mail sent from the same environment as the list 

messages were and indeed, the 8 bit characters were encoded 
separately (Microsoft Entourage) - stupid.

I told him that...

> RFC 2047 effectively requires it.

...his mail client is likely broken and he will try Opera next time.

Thanks for the detailed explanation.

Oliver
-- 
Oliver Betz, Muenchen


From krishnadas at marfic.com  Mon Oct  5 16:40:25 2009
From: krishnadas at marfic.com (Krishnadas Kossery)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:40:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot send mail to mailing lists
Message-ID: <4E09628ED31EE84BB396C0B0E9EB250D42B583A2BA@mail.marfic.com>

Hi,

I have mailman version 2.1.9 running on a Centos 5.2 64 bit. (Python 2.4.3/Apache 2.2.3/Sendmail 8.13)
I'm able to subscribe to newly created mailing lists/Get confirmation e-mails from Mailman on subscription.
I'm unable to send e-mails to these lists (which I can confirm by being a member of these lists and not receiving any e-mails when mails are sent to the lists)
The logs are clean. I tried to send an email from the command line interface of the mailman server and I can see the mails being sent. Any suggestions on what to check next would be greatly helpful.

Thanks a lot.

Krishna


From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Mon Oct  5 20:06:45 2009
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 20:06:45 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain support
In-Reply-To: <PC1922009100509400805467192e7ea@msapiro>
References: <PC1922009100509400805467192e7ea@msapiro>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0910051924400.3627@data.home>

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> You seem to have done your homework well, and to have a good
> understanding of the issues.

You can learn a lot in 5 hours of reading. :)

> I found http://ndim.fedorapeople.org/stuff/mailman-vhost/ which appears
> to contain the same patches that were at
> http://nix.lauft.net/htdocs/mailman/.

Thanks for this.

This stuff looks a bit old.  It's patches against Mailman 2.1.7 and files 
seem to date back to 2006.  The docs talk about what's going to happen in 
2008.

Does this code patch against 2.1.12?  Is there newer code than this or 
should I get it from git?  And is there any more documentation than the 
ReadMe files on this site?

I thought I saw a branch up in the Launchpad project that deals with this. 
Is that a better place to start than these patches?  Are these patches 
still the recommended way to achieve what I'm looking for?

My concerns right now are:

1. I need to implement this on a production system, so it has to implement 
the ability to have the same list names on multiple domains and 
domain-specific site passwords.  And it needs to be stable (i.e. it needs 
to work as advertised).

2.  I need to deploy this pretty quickly so I need some documentation or 
at least people willing to help if I get stuck.

and
3.  I need to know if the changes proposed here (or anywhere) will be 
compatible with what will eventually be adopted in mainline, or at least 
that there will be some kind of migration path.  I can't really afford to 
send us down a dead-end path.

I'm sorry  about all the questions but I'm a bit under the pump here, but 
I also want to do it right the first time.  Any advice anyone can give 
will be most gratefully received.

Geoff.


From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Mon Oct  5 23:32:10 2009
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 23:32:10 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain support
In-Reply-To: <PC192200910051332230968d36370df@msapiro>
References: <PC192200910051332230968d36370df@msapiro>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0910052303010.3627@data.home>

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> I just applied the mailman-2.1.7-20060114-to-vhost.patch to the 2.1.12
> base and it applied with only two rejects, both of which are easy to
> fix. Whether the patched code will actually work and meet your
> requirements, I can't say.

I probably can't afford the luxury of testing it, at least not now.

>> I thought I saw a branch up in the Launchpad project that deals with this.
>> Is that a better place to start than these patches?
>
> Maybe, but I don't see one at
> <https://code.launchpad.net/mailman?field.lifecycle=ALL>.

Well it was something like 3 in the morning when I was looking.  Let me 
see...

Ok, scrub that.  Was something else.

>> Are these patches
>> still the recommended way to achieve what I'm looking for?
>
>
> I don't recommend any of these patches. Multiple Mailman instances is
> the recommended way for Mailman 2.1

ah.  This is what I need to hear.

>> My concerns right now are:
>>
>> 1. I need to implement this on a production system, so it has to implement
>> the ability to have the same list names on multiple domains and
>> domain-specific site passwords.  And it needs to be stable (i.e. it needs
>> to work as advertised).
>
>
> I don't see that these patches implement a domain specific site
> password.

hmmm...I see it's listed as an outstanding issue.

> My recommendation would be to create separate Mailman instances per
> domain. I know you said originally
>
>> 3.  Multiple installs. I'd rather not do this if I can help it.  Not
>> only do I have to make sure that all of them play nice with the mail
>> system (postfix), but I can see the day when we'll want to upgrade, and
>> that's going to mean upgrading something like 7 installations.  ergh.
>
>
> This may be a pain if you use a package that isn't designed for it, but

I wouldn't do this with a package, I can't see how I could get it to 
install into different places without a *lot* of gymnastics like chroots.

> if you install from source and you have Mailman generating aliases and
> virtual maps for Postfix, all this means is you need to add 7 entries
> to alias_maps and virtual_alias_maps instead of just one.

Ok...This is tarting to sound doable.  It also means I can get the most 
important domains up quickly.  Is there any documentation for doing this? 
I need to have 7 lots of everything, right?

> And as long as you keep track of your configure commands, upgrading a
> source install is very easy and straightforward. Upgrading 7 unpatched
> installations is probably easier than upgrading 1 patched one.

Yeah I guess it would be.

> We know this works, and there will be a migration path to MM 3.

That was my other concern about this approach - how to integrate into a 
unified install once it is officially supported.  But if you will be 
providing an upgrade path from multiple installs then this makes me more 
comfortable with the idea.

Geoff.


From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Tue Oct  6 16:30:30 2009
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:30:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot send mail to mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <4E09628ED31EE84BB396C0B0E9EB250D42B583A2BA@mail.marfic.com>
References: <4E09628ED31EE84BB396C0B0E9EB250D42B583A2BA@mail.marfic.com>
Message-ID: <20091006143029.GF2105@amyl.org.uk>

On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 07:40:25AM -0700, Krishnadas Kossery wrote:
> I have mailman version 2.1.9 running on a Centos 5.2 64 bit. (Python
> 2.4.3/Apache 2.2.3/Sendmail 8.13) I'm able to subscribe to newly
> created mailing lists/Get confirmation e-mails from Mailman on
> subscription.  

> I'm unable to send e-mails to these lists (which I can
> confirm by being a member of these lists and not receiving any e-mails
> when mails are sent to the lists) The logs are clean.

Which logs? Mailman's, presumably.

Empty logs (on a new install) make me think to qrunner not running: is
it? (check, maybe with ps, start with bin/mailmanctl)

Is archiving for the lists switched on? Are messages being delivered
to the archives?

> I tried to send an email from the command line interface of the mailman 
> server and I can see the mails being sent.  

How do you see "the mails being sent"?

> Any suggestions on what to check next would be greatly helpful.

I'd check MTA config, MTA logs, then working out where (if) messages
destined to Mailman were (not) going.

-- 
``I speak better English than this villain Bush.''
  (Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, attrib.)

From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Wed Oct  7 21:04:01 2009
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:04:01 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain support
In-Reply-To: <PC19220091005145533007840d3cfaf@msapiro>
References: <PC19220091005145533007840d3cfaf@msapiro>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0910072057030.3961@data.home>

Hi Mark,

re multiple installs,

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> The post at
> <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-June/037443.html>
> (linked from the FAQ at
> <http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030604>) has good
> information. I don't thing there's anything better collected in one
> place.

I'm now working through this and have hit a bit of a problem.  The post in 
question reads as follows:

> Where thing may get more complicated is setting up your local MTA to
> support virtual hosts. For instance, aliases generated by the per-host
> copies of $per-host-prefix/bin/newlist will generate alias definitions
> that pipe to the correct per-host instance of the Mailman delivery
> agent script but getting your MTA to recognise the aliases belong to
> one host rather than another is not something I am familiar with.

This would appear to be the sticking point.  The aliases file doesn't 
generate fully-qualified Email addresses, only local parts.  How do I 
ensure that a message to announce at foo.com doesn't go to announce at bar.org? 
This must be doable, because if it's not, then this defeats the whole 
point of doing this in the first place.

Presumably I need to do this in postfix/main.cf somehow but I'm at a loss 
as to how to do this.

Geoff.


From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Oct  7 21:42:14 2009
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:42:14 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain support
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0910072057030.3961@data.home>
References: <PC19220091005145533007840d3cfaf@msapiro>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0910072057030.3961@data.home>
Message-ID: <4ACCEF16.3030307@pcraft.com>

Geoff Shang wrote:
> This would appear to be the sticking point.  The aliases file doesn't 
> generate fully-qualified Email addresses, only local parts.  How do I 
> ensure that a message to announce at foo.com doesn't go to 
> announce at bar.org? This must be doable, because if it's not, then this 
> defeats the whole point of doing this in the first place.
>
> Presumably I need to do this in postfix/main.cf somehow but I'm at a 
> loss as to how to do this.
    Not sure if this will help you or not, but I'll share anywhere ...

    I have a multi setup for mailman to host multiple domains.  All my 
list domains are configured as 'lists.$domain', for example 
'lists.yeehaw.net'.  My mailman installations all go under 
/home/mailman/lists.$domain

    I don't know how this is done in postfix, but in sendmail I have the 
following:

    =====> /etc/mail/aliases/$domain-aliases
    mailman-lists.$domain           \
        "|/home/mailman/lists.$domain/mail/$domain-mailman post mailman"
    mailman-admin-lists.$domain:    \
        "|/home/mailman/lists.$domain/mail/$domain-mailman admin mailman"
    mailman-bounces-lists.$domain:  \
        "|/home/mailman/lists.$domain/mail/$domain-mailman bounces mailman"
    mailman-confirm-lists.$domain:  \
        "|/home/mailman/lists.$domain/mail/$domain-mailman confirm mailman"

    =====> /etc/mail/virtusertable
    mailman at lists.$domain              mailman-lists.$domain
    mailman-admin at lists.$domain        mailman-admin-lists.$domain
    mailman-bounces at lists.$domain      mailman-bounces-lists.$domain
    mailman-confirm at lists.$domain      mailman-confirm-lists.$domain

    This ensures that an incoming e-mail to say for example 
'mailman-admin at lists.$domain' gets rerouted to 
'mailman-admin-lists.$domain' which the alias then expands in to
'"|/home/mailman/lists.$domain/mail/$domain-mailman admin mailman"'

    This allows one to have various mailman@'various domains' going to 
the same server through the same MTA without it going nutso.

    Now you may be wondering why I renamed the 'mailman' binary to 
'$domain-mailman'.  That's because of permissions within sendmail.  Any 
binary that is going to be sending stuff out needs to be allowed by 
sendmail, and since I have multiple installations of mailman, in 
different paths, you can't just tell sendmail it's called 'mailman'.  It 
will get utterly confused when the various lists are trying to send 
something out.  So, by renaming each one to their respective $domain, it 
keeps sendmail from going bonkers.

    In my /usr/adm/sm.bin/ I have various symlinks to $domain-mailman 
which link back to /home/mailman/lists-$domain/mail/$domain-mailman

    Cheers

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From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Wed Oct  7 23:05:22 2009
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 23:05:22 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain support
In-Reply-To: <4ACCEF16.3030307@pcraft.com>
References: <PC19220091005145533007840d3cfaf@msapiro>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0910072057030.3961@data.home>
	<4ACCEF16.3030307@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0910072300200.3961@data.home>

On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

> Geoff Shang wrote:
>> This would appear to be the sticking point.  The aliases file doesn't 
>> generate fully-qualified Email addresses, only local parts.  How do I 
>> ensure that a message to announce at foo.com doesn't go to announce at bar.org? 
[snip]
>   I have a multi setup for mailman to host multiple domains.  All my list 
> domains are configured as 'lists.$domain', for example 'lists.yeehaw.net'. 
> My mailman installations all go under /home/mailman/lists.$domain
>
>   I don't know how this is done in postfix, but in sendmail I have the 
> following:
>
>   =====> /etc/mail/aliases/$domain-aliases
>   mailman-lists.$domain           \
>       "|/home/mailman/lists.$domain/mail/$domain-mailman post mailman"
>   mailman-admin-lists.$domain:    \
>       "|/home/mailman/lists.$domain/mail/$domain-mailman admin mailman"

Ok but how do you get Mailman to produce alias tables that look like that? 
Or don't you?  Mine only  have the list address part, not the fully 
qualified list address.

Geoff.


From khillo100 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  8 00:00:12 2009
From: khillo100 at hotmail.com (Khalil Abbas)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 22:00:12 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing list!
Message-ID: <COL105-W205B25B83705B17A8415D2FBCD0@phx.gbl>


Hello guys..

 

one of my lists is missing !! I'm getting this :

 

./list_members list1
No such list: list1
0
./list_members list2
477
./list_members list3
483
./list_members list4
442


when running : bin/list_lists I get this error:

 

./list_lists
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./list_lists", line 122, in ?
    main()
  File "./list_lists", line 94, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 644, in Load
    raise Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError, e
Mailman.Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/dailymail/config.db.last'

 

HELP!!

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 		 	   		  
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From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct  8 02:32:49 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:32:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain support
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0910072300200.3961@data.home>
Message-ID: <PC1922009100717324907503008115f@msapiro>

Geoff Shang wrote:

>On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>
>>   I have a multi setup for mailman to host multiple domains.  All my list 
>> domains are configured as 'lists.$domain', for example 'lists.yeehaw.net'. 
>> My mailman installations all go under /home/mailman/lists.$domain
>>
>>   I don't know how this is done in postfix, but in sendmail I have the 
>> following:
>>
>>   =====> /etc/mail/aliases/$domain-aliases
>>   mailman-lists.$domain           \
>>       "|/home/mailman/lists.$domain/mail/$domain-mailman post mailman"
>>   mailman-admin-lists.$domain:    \
>>       "|/home/mailman/lists.$domain/mail/$domain-mailman admin mailman"
>
>Ok but how do you get Mailman to produce alias tables that look like that? 
>Or don't you?  Mine only  have the list address part, not the fully 
>qualified list address.


For Postfix integration, you need to do a few things.

Consider only the one mailman instance for the domain example.com. The
others will be analagous.

in mm_cfg.py, add

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['example.com']

This will cause mailman to also write data/virtual-mailman with entries
like

list at example.com        list
list-admin at example.com  list-admin
...

in addition to data/aliases with entries like

list:       "|path/to/wrapper post list"
list-admin: "|path/to/wrapper admin list"
...

for each list. The data/virtual-mailman(.db) is analagous to Ashley's
/etc/mail/virtusertable.

There is still a problem in that there is a potential list name
conflict, so to resolve that, you need to make a patch (see attached
Postfix.patch.txt) to Mailman/MTA/Postfix to make virtual-mailman and
aliases look like

list at example.com        list.example.com
list-admin at example.com  list-admin.example.com
...

and

list.example.com:       "|path/to/wrapper post list"
list-admin.example.com: "|path/to/wrapper admin list"
...


Then you need the following in Postfix's main.cf

alias_maps = ...
   hash:/path/to/example.com's/data/aliases


virtual_alias_domains ...  example.com

virtual_alias_maps = ...
   hash:/path/to/example.com's/data/virtual-mailman

And probably also if you don't have them anyway

recipient_delimiter = +
unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550

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From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Thu Oct  8 02:42:03 2009
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 02:42:03 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain support
In-Reply-To: <PC1922009100717324907503008115f@msapiro>
References: <PC1922009100717324907503008115f@msapiro>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0910080235520.3961@data.home>

On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Geoff Shang wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>>
>>>   =====> /etc/mail/aliases/$domain-aliases
>>>   mailman-lists.$domain           \
>>>       "|/home/mailman/lists.$domain/mail/$domain-mailman post mailman"
>>>   mailman-admin-lists.$domain:    \
>>>       "|/home/mailman/lists.$domain/mail/$domain-mailman admin mailman"
>>
>> Ok but how do you get Mailman to produce alias tables that look like that?
>> Or don't you?  Mine only  have the list address part, not the fully
>> qualified list address.
{snip}
> There is still a problem in that there is a potential list name
> conflict, so to resolve that, you need to make a patch (see attached

ah...

I will review your patch, and I used list-domain.tld instead of 
list.domain.tld, but I basically came to the same conclusion and just 
implemented same.  I got the idea from 
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-September/063254.html

This really needs to be documented somewhere.

does using a dash vs a dot as a separater make any difference re eventual 
upgrade path?  I'm still testing at this point but I'll be making a lot of 
lists soon, so now's the time to change anything.

Thanks again,
Geoff.


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct  8 02:50:02 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:50:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing list!
In-Reply-To: <COL105-W205B25B83705B17A8415D2FBCD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <PC19220091007175002071830081110@msapiro>

Khalil Abbas  wrote:
>
>one of my lists is missing !! I'm getting this :
>
> 
>
>./list_members list1
>No such list: list1


So the list isn't there. I.e., there is no lists/list1/ directory
containing at least one of config.pck, config.pck.last, config.db or
config.db.last. The directory has been renamed or removed or the
config.* files have been removed.

>0
>./list_members list2
>477
>./list_members list3
>483
>./list_members list4
>442
>
>
>when running : bin/list_lists I get this error:
>
> 
>
>./list_lists
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "./list_lists", line 122, in ?
>    main()
>  File "./list_lists", line 94, in main
>    mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__
>    self.Load()
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 644, in Load
>    raise Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError, e
>Mailman.Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/dailymail/config.db.last'


There is a lists/dailymail/ directory containing probably a config.pck
and config.pck.last, but these are somehow corrupted and can't be
unpickled by the list instantiation process.

Note that the current (Mailman 2.1.x) files are config.pck*. It is
normal to not have config.db* files.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct  8 02:59:28 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:59:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain support
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0910080235520.3961@data.home>
Message-ID: <PC192200910071759280187421ee697@msapiro>

Geoff Shang wrote:

>On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, Mark Sapiro wrote:

>> There is still a problem in that there is a potential list name
>> conflict, so to resolve that, you need to make a patch (see attached
>
>ah...
>
>I will review your patch, and I used list-domain.tld instead of 
>list.domain.tld, but I basically came to the same conclusion and just 
>implemented same.  I got the idea from 
>http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-September/063254.html
>
>This really needs to be documented somewhere.


Yes. I'll see about a FAQ. Maybe you could help when you get it all
worked through.


>does using a dash vs a dot as a separater make any difference re eventual 
>upgrade path?  I'm still testing at this point but I'll be making a lot of 
>lists soon, so now's the time to change anything.


I don't think so. I actually was going to use an underscore, but I went
with the dot because Ashley was using a dot.

Changing after the fact is not hard. You'd only need to change
Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py and run bin/genaliases for each domain.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From khillo100 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  8 10:43:12 2009
From: khillo100 at hotmail.com (Khalil Abbas)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:43:12 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing list!
In-Reply-To: <PC19220091007175002071830081110@msapiro>
References: <COL105-W205B25B83705B17A8415D2FBCD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL105-W631E7A4F64DC92447F12CAFBCC0@phx.gbl>


Actually the missing list is called: dailymail..

 

I went to /var/lib/mailman/lists/dailymail and found these files:

 

config.pck
config.pck.corrupt
config.pck.last
config.pck.safety
config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.11461
config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2530
config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2554
config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2593
config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2608
config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.9818
pending.pck
request.pck


could the correct file be there? do I have to rename any of these files to make it work again? if there's nothing I can do, is there a way to backup the list of members in this missing list to a text file so I can format the server and install mailman again and reconfigure the lists ?

 

 

Thanks ..


 
> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:50:02 -0700
> From: mark at msapiro.net
> To: khillo100 at hotmail.com; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] missing list!
> 
> Khalil Abbas wrote:
> >
> >one of my lists is missing !! I'm getting this :
> >
> > 
> >
> >./list_members list1
> >No such list: list1
> 
> 
> So the list isn't there. I.e., there is no lists/list1/ directory
> containing at least one of config.pck, config.pck.last, config.db or
> config.db.last. The directory has been renamed or removed or the
> config.* files have been removed.
> 
> >0
> >./list_members list2
> >477
> >./list_members list3
> >483
> >./list_members list4
> >442
> >
> >
> >when running : bin/list_lists I get this error:
> >
> > 
> >
> >./list_lists
> >Traceback (most recent call last):
> > File "./list_lists", line 122, in ?
> > main()
> > File "./list_lists", line 94, in main
> > mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
> > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__
> > self.Load()
> > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 644, in Load
> > raise Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError, e
> >Mailman.Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/dailymail/config.db.last'
> 
> 
> There is a lists/dailymail/ directory containing probably a config.pck
> and config.pck.last, but these are somehow corrupted and can't be
> unpickled by the list instantiation process.
> 
> Note that the current (Mailman 2.1.x) files are config.pck*. It is
> normal to not have config.db* files.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 
 		 	   		  
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From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct  8 17:46:22 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:46:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing list!
In-Reply-To: <COL105-W631E7A4F64DC92447F12CAFBCC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <PC19220091008084622075047b0b744@msapiro>

Khalil Abbas wrote:
>
>I went to /var/lib/mailman/lists/dailymail and found these files:
>
>
>config.pck
>config.pck.corrupt
>config.pck.last
>config.pck.safety
>config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.11461
>config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2530
>config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2554
>config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2593
>config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2608
>config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.9818
>pending.pck
>request.pck
>
>
>could the correct file be there? do I have to rename any of these files to
>make it work again?

Do

  /path/to/bin/dumpdb -p /var/lib/mailman/lists/dailymail/$f

for $f equal to each of the above config.pck* files in turn.

Some of these will probably throw an exception and some may work. For
those that work, pick the file with the most recent timestamp and copy
it to config.pck

Also, look in mailman's 'error' log for messages with timestamps around
the timestamps of the above files for more insight into the problem.

>if there's nothing I can do, is there a way to backup
> the list of members in this missing list to a text file so I can format the
>server and install mailman again and reconfigure the lists ?


Hopefully, you can identify at least one usable config.pck and just use
it. If not, you can try running strings on the files to extract data
from them.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From terri at zone12.com  Thu Oct  8 18:30:01 2009
From: terri at zone12.com (Terri Oda)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:30:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain support
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0910080235520.3961@data.home>
References: <PC1922009100717324907503008115f@msapiro>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0910080235520.3961@data.home>
Message-ID: <4ACE1389.4010806@zone12.com>

Geoff Shang wrote:
> I will review your patch, and I used list-domain.tld instead of 
> list.domain.tld, but I basically came to the same conclusion and just 
> implemented same.  I got the idea from 
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-September/063254.html
> 
> This really needs to be documented somewhere.

And by "somewhere" I recommend you put it into the Mailman Wiki, 
probably just add it to the FAQs:

http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Frequently+Asked+Questions

I'm guessing it should be in site admin tasks:

http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/4+Site+administrator+tasks

So here's a link to a page where you can cut and paste the info that you 
think should be recorded:

http://wiki.list.org/pages/createpage.action?spaceKey=DOC&fromPageId=4030488


So if you've got a minute to summarize the stuff and put it there, that 
would be awesome.  Thanks! :)

  Terri


From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Thu Oct  8 19:15:15 2009
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:15:15 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain support
In-Reply-To: <4ACE1389.4010806@zone12.com>
References: <PC1922009100717324907503008115f@msapiro>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0910080235520.3961@data.home>
	<4ACE1389.4010806@zone12.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0910081913520.3961@data.home>

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009, Terri Oda wrote:

> Geoff Shang wrote:
>> I will review your patch, and I used list-domain.tld instead of 
>> This really needs to be documented somewhere.
>
> And by "somewhere" I recommend you put it into the Mailman Wiki, probably 
> just add it to the FAQs:

I'll do this.  I probably won't get a chance for a few days as we're still 
madly setting up stuff over here but I will definitely write up something.

Geoff.


From rob at colorist.org  Thu Oct  8 21:37:03 2009
From: rob at colorist.org (Rob Lingelbach)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:37:03 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/arch : ctime
Message-ID: <71E3E1B6-565A-43E2-8AB6-C4791E37EA61@colorist.org>

I rebuilt, not long ago, the archives of a particular mailinglist, and  
the html files' atime/ctime/mtime were all changed to the time of the  
rebuild.  The search facilities I'm using, on the same machine-  
glimpseindex and swish-e - by default use the ctime or mtime to return  
results, which isn't very convenient when searching by Date:.

Has anybody ever written a script that would rebuild the html message  
archives that would also modify the file ctime/mtime back to the date  
of the message, as retrieved from the list's mbox file?

thanks in advance.

--
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rob at colorist.org












From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct  8 23:30:57 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:30:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/arch : ctime
In-Reply-To: <71E3E1B6-565A-43E2-8AB6-C4791E37EA61@colorist.org>
Message-ID: <PC1922009100814305700464fe06627@msapiro>

Rob Lingelbach wrote:
>
>Has anybody ever written a script that would rebuild the html message  
>archives that would also modify the file ctime/mtime back to the date  
>of the message, as retrieved from the list's mbox file?


This script

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
import os
import re
import time

import os.path

BASE = '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/listname'
NRE = re.compile(r'^\d+.html$')
DRE = re.compile(r'^\s*<I>([^<]*)</I>\s*$')

def process_file(pname):
    for line in open(pname):
        mo = DRE.match(line)
        if mo:
            try:
                ptime = time.strptime(mo.group(1),
                                      '%a %b %d %H:%M:%S %Z %Y')
            except ValueError:
                next
            ptime = time.mktime(ptime)
            os.utime(pname, (ptime, ptime))
            break

for dir, dirnames, filenames in os.walk(BASE):
    for fname in filenames:
        if NRE.match(fname):
            process_file(os.path.join(dir, fname))
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

will change atime and mtime  for all the nnnnnn.html files subordinate
to the BASE directory to the time parsed from the line

    <I>Day Mmm dd hh:mm:ss TZ yyyy</I>

in the file. It only changes atime and mtime to that time. ctime is
changed to the time that it runs.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rob at colorist.org  Fri Oct  9 00:08:50 2009
From: rob at colorist.org (Rob Lingelbach)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:08:50 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/arch : ctime
In-Reply-To: <PC1922009100814305700464fe06627@msapiro>
References: <PC1922009100814305700464fe06627@msapiro>
Message-ID: <F248EB3E-7B14-47B7-AC86-9F6AD3F82F42@colorist.org>


On Oct 8, 2009, at 6:30 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> will change atime and mtime  for all the nnnnnn.html files subordinate
> to the BASE directory to the time parsed from the line

thank you very much, just what was needed.

Rob

--
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rob at colorist.org












From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  9 01:11:02 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:11:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/arch : ctime
In-Reply-To: <PC1922009100814305700464fe06627@msapiro>
Message-ID: <PC192200910081611020843d576090d@msapiro>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>This script
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
[...]
>            try:
>                ptime = time.strptime(mo.group(1),
>                                      '%a %b %d %H:%M:%S %Z %Y')
>            except ValueError:
>                next
[...]


Ooops. That should be

            except ValueError:
                continue

Also, a somewhat improved version can be found at
<http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/update_archive_mtime> (mirrored at
<http://fog.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~msapiro/scripts/update_archive_mtime>).

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rob at colorist.org  Fri Oct  9 01:18:03 2009
From: rob at colorist.org (Rob Lingelbach)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:18:03 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/arch : ctime
In-Reply-To: <PC192200910081611020843d576090d@msapiro>
References: <PC192200910081611020843d576090d@msapiro>
Message-ID: <8C53FF11-D226-46E1-97D0-12B1B0817C02@colorist.org>


On Oct 8, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> This script
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> [...]
>>           try:
>>               ptime = time.strptime(mo.group(1),
>>                                     '%a %b %d %H:%M:%S %Z %Y')
>>           except ValueError:
>>               next
> [...]
>
>
> Ooops. That should be
>
>            except ValueError:
>                continue

funny thing is, it worked, on a very minimal directory that I just ran  
a test on:

before running script:

roger at soho89-16-222-12 0:08 pts/1 /var/www/html/mailman/archives/ 
private/mfrs/2009-September# stat 000000.html
   File: `000000.html'
   Size: 3283      	Blocks: 16         IO Block: 4096   regular file
Device: fd03h/64771d	Inode: 26613721    Links: 1
Access: (0664/-rw-rw-r--)  Uid: (    0/    root)   Gid: (   41/ mailman)
Access: 2009-10-09 00:00:59.000000000 +0100
Modify: 2009-10-08 20:29:41.000000000 +0100
Change: 2009-10-08 20:29:41.000000000 +0100

and after running:

roger at soho89-16-222-12 0:10 pts/1 /var/www/html/mailman/archives/ 
private/mfrs/2009-September# stat 000000.html
   File: `000000.html'
   Size: 3283      	Blocks: 16         IO Block: 4096   regular file
Device: fd03h/64771d	Inode: 26613721    Links: 1
Access: (0664/-rw-rw-r--)  Uid: (    0/    root)   Gid: (   41/ mailman)
Access: 2009-09-02 00:47:38.000000000 +0100
Modify: 2009-09-02 00:47:38.000000000 +0100
Change: 2009-10-09 00:10:29.000000000 +0100

and the one invocation also took care of another message.html file.

But I'll make the change and test it again, and look at the more  
complete version as well, before I
start using it on the 60k message files I need it to work on.


--
Rob Lingelbach
rob at colorist.org












From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  9 01:28:39 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:28:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/arch : ctime
In-Reply-To: <8C53FF11-D226-46E1-97D0-12B1B0817C02@colorist.org>
Message-ID: <PC192200910081628390578f48a5ea9@msapiro>

Rob Lingelbach wrote:
>
>On Oct 8, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>>
>>> This script
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> [...]
>>>           try:
>>>               ptime = time.strptime(mo.group(1),
>>>                                     '%a %b %d %H:%M:%S %Z %Y')
>>>           except ValueError:
>>>               next
>> [...]
>>
>>
>> Ooops. That should be
>>
>>            except ValueError:
>>                continue
>
>funny thing is, it worked, on a very minimal directory that I just ran  
>a test on:


It will work as long as it doesn't hit a "<I>...</I>" line that doesn't
contain a date matching the '%a %b %d %H:%M:%S %Z %Y' format. In fact,
that is one of those things that won't happen as long as the message
files are all "well formed", but is there in order to keep looking in
case it does.

Python doesn't care that the name 'next' is undefined until it actually
tries to execute it.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rob at colorist.org  Fri Oct  9 01:43:05 2009
From: rob at colorist.org (Rob Lingelbach)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:43:05 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/arch : ctime
In-Reply-To: <PC192200910081628390578f48a5ea9@msapiro>
References: <PC192200910081628390578f48a5ea9@msapiro>
Message-ID: <06E1BE92-09F9-4C95-A1F3-81AA8E5F4038@colorist.org>


On Oct 8, 2009, at 8:28 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> files are all "well formed", but is there in order to keep looking in
> case it does.
>
> Python doesn't care that the name 'next' is undefined until it  
> actually
> tries to execute it.

There's a vortex with python in the center, me on the fringe.

--
Rob Lingelbach
rob at colorist.org












From stephen at xemacs.org  Sat Oct 10 10:19:08 2009
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:19:08 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A modest proposal: Reply-To munging considered
	*carefully*
Message-ID: <87skdrlkzn.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Reply-To set to Mailman-Users.  Please check your addressees when
responding.

I had the occasion to explain to someone about how Reply-To munging
operates on a mailing list, and revived a dormant essay as the page
linked below.  It turned into something that's almost ready to
submit to the IETF (to my inexperienced eye).  Executive summary of
the RFC:

1.  Mail-Followup-To would be useful for email, too, but the hint as
    to whether to reply (to author) or followup (to list) should be
    provided separately.

2.  A formal proposal of a new header field, Responses-To, whose sole
    purpose is to allow mailing lists conforming to RFC 2369 to hint
    to MUAs whether a reply or followup is usually appropriate on the
    list.

I've cross-posted to Mailman Developers because I'd like to solicit
the opinions of those folks about whether Mailman should implement
this draft RFC early in the process.  Concrete proposals are a ways
off, though.  Followup to Mailman Users, please.

What do people think?  Would it be possible to get this through the
IETF process, or is the whole Reply-To/Mail-Followup-To snafu too
deeply embedded in Internet culture for it to be worth the effort?
I've linked directly to the RFC part.  Background and some of the
rationale is at the top of the page, but it's a familiar story to
Mailman users, I think.

http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/Blog/Software/ReplyToMungingConsideredEmCarefullyEm#an-rfc

Note: it bills itself as a blog and it's implemented as a wiki, but I
haven't thought at all about blogspam, so it's locked down -- no
editing and no comments.  Sorry!

From khillo100 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 11 14:16:15 2009
From: khillo100 at hotmail.com (Khalil Abbas)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:16:15 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing list / MAILMAN BACKUP
In-Reply-To: <PC19220091008084622075047b0b744@msapiro>
References: <COL105-W631E7A4F64DC92447F12CAFBCC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL105-W5774A2783CA97A2F386231FBC90@phx.gbl>


ok none of the files worked and I had to format my server and install all the domains and lists again ..

 

now the question is.. I usually backup the lists members and the lists configuration (with config_list -o file) .. they were no use to me and I had to format the server.. and obviously I have to backup mailman itself to avoid this situation in the future.. so what files or directories should I backup??

 

thanks..

 

 


 
> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:46:22 -0700
> From: mark at msapiro.net
> To: khillo100 at hotmail.com; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] missing list!
> 
> Khalil Abbas wrote:
> >
> >I went to /var/lib/mailman/lists/dailymail and found these files:
> >
> >
> >config.pck
> >config.pck.corrupt
> >config.pck.last
> >config.pck.safety
> >config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.11461
> >config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2530
> >config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2554
> >config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2593
> >config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.2608
> >config.pck.MY-MAIL-SERVER-ADDRESS.9818
> >pending.pck
> >request.pck
> >
> >
> >could the correct file be there? do I have to rename any of these files to
> >make it work again?
> 
> Do
> 
> /path/to/bin/dumpdb -p /var/lib/mailman/lists/dailymail/$f
> 
> for $f equal to each of the above config.pck* files in turn.
> 
> Some of these will probably throw an exception and some may work. For
> those that work, pick the file with the most recent timestamp and copy
> it to config.pck
> 
> Also, look in mailman's 'error' log for messages with timestamps around
> the timestamps of the above files for more insight into the problem.
> 
> >if there's nothing I can do, is there a way to backup
> > the list of members in this missing list to a text file so I can format the
> >server and install mailman again and reconfigure the lists ?
> 
> 
> Hopefully, you can identify at least one usable config.pck and just use
> it. If not, you can try running strings on the files to extract data
> from them.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 
 		 	   		  
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From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct 11 18:01:39 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:01:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing list / MAILMAN BACKUP
In-Reply-To: <COL105-W5774A2783CA97A2F386231FBC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <PC192200910110901390828f2cedce3@msapiro>

Khalil Abbas wrote:
>
>now the question is.. I usually backup the lists members and the lists configuration (with config_list -o file) .. they were no use to me and I had to format the server.. and obviously I have to backup mailman itself to avoid this situation in the future.. so what files or directories should I backup??


Searching the FAQ <http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3> for "backup" will give
some ideas.

Assuming a default source install, everything is in /usr/local/mailman/
- the subdirectories

bin      cron   mail     messages   scripts    tests
cgi-bin  icons  Mailman  pythonlib  templates

are static. Those that have changing contents are

archives  data  lists  locks  logs  qfiles  spam

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From barry at python.org  Mon Oct 12 20:18:24 2009
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:18:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A modest proposal: Reply-To munging considered
	*carefully*
In-Reply-To: <87skdrlkzn.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <87skdrlkzn.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <0EE4AD5C-3BB0-4C9E-8B35-40004BD3C3F6@python.org>

[Your original message probably didn't make it to mailman-developers  
since it was spelled "mailman-devel at python.org" -BAW]

On Oct 10, 2009, at 4:19 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

> 2.  A formal proposal of a new header field, Responses-To, whose sole
>    purpose is to allow mailing lists conforming to RFC 2369 to hint
>    to MUAs whether a reply or followup is usually appropriate on the
>    list.
>
> I've cross-posted to Mailman Developers because I'd like to solicit
> the opinions of those folks about whether Mailman should implement
> this draft RFC early in the process.  Concrete proposals are a ways
> off, though.  Followup to Mailman Users, please.

So a couple of things.

I'm not opposed to implementing draft RFCs or even defacto proposals  
in Mailman as long as we label them experimental.  IOW, should the RFC  
change, we'll obviously need to change Mailman to conform.  A lot of  
email lore is just defacto standards and we already support many of  
them.  We'll take them on a case-by-case basis, but Mailman should not  
blindly rule out supporting them.  For the ones we like, Mailman  
support can go a long way to proving the feasibility and perhaps  
nudging others to support the proposals as well (see my Archived-At  
contents proposal).

In general, I like Stephen's proposal as a way to help reduce the  
ambiguity in this very common workflow.  I'll bikeshed on this detail:  
I think the header should be called Response-Precedence or maybe List- 
Response-Precedence.

The 'List-*' prefix is evocative of RFC 2369 and since this is a list  
specific header, it should probably be prefixed as such.  A counter  
argument would be that because it's the user and not the list that's  
making the value choice, it should not be a List-* header.

Response-Precedence is evocative of the defacto Precedence header, and  
it makes some sense to me because you're specifying the precedence of  
where responses should go, based on the conditional you posted.  *-To:  
headers feel more like they should contain an address but this has a  
limited vocabulary, as does Precedence, so I like it not being a *-To  
header.

As for going the RFC route, I think it's not a bad idea, but I have no  
idea how much work is involved.  ;)

-Barry

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From stephen at xemacs.org  Mon Oct 12 21:40:20 2009
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:40:20 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A modest proposal: Reply-To munging
	considered	*carefully*
In-Reply-To: <0EE4AD5C-3BB0-4C9E-8B35-40004BD3C3F6@python.org>
References: <87skdrlkzn.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<0EE4AD5C-3BB0-4C9E-8B35-40004BD3C3F6@python.org>
Message-ID: <87hbu4ieor.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Barry Warsaw writes:

 > [Your original message probably didn't make it to mailman-developers  
 > since it was spelled "mailman-devel at python.org" -BAW]

Thanks.

 > In general, I like Stephen's proposal as a way to help reduce the  
 > ambiguity in this very common workflow.  I'll bikeshed on this detail:  
 > I think the header should be called Response-Precedence or maybe List- 
 > Response-Precedence.

Fine with me, either way.  I waffled on the name anyway.

 > The 'List-*' prefix is evocative of RFC 2369 and since this is a list  
 > specific header, it should probably be prefixed as such.

It's not just list-specific, it's specifically for the use of lists,
not users.  As such it seems reasonable to me that it would be
prefixed "List-".

 > As for going the RFC route, I think it's not a bad idea, but I have no  
 > idea how much work is involved.  ;)

For anything related to Reply-To/Mail-Followup-To, it's probably a
pretty long road.  I wouldn't mind having an RFC in my cv, though.
(It is *not* going to List Domain Signing Policy, though, that can of
worms I'll feed to the fish.)


From barry at python.org  Mon Oct 12 21:51:00 2009
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:51:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A modest proposal: Reply-To munging considered
	*carefully*
In-Reply-To: <87hbu4ieor.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <87skdrlkzn.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<0EE4AD5C-3BB0-4C9E-8B35-40004BD3C3F6@python.org>
	<87hbu4ieor.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <E4C0678A-8DFA-460C-8628-31106D26FD94@python.org>

On Oct 12, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

> It's not just list-specific, it's specifically for the use of lists,
> not users.  As such it seems reasonable to me that it would be
> prefixed "List-".
>
>> As for going the RFC route, I think it's not a bad idea, but I have  
>> no
>> idea how much work is involved.  ;)
>
> For anything related to Reply-To/Mail-Followup-To, it's probably a
> pretty long road.  I wouldn't mind having an RFC in my cv, though.
> (It is *not* going to List Domain Signing Policy, though, that can of
> worms I'll feed to the fish.)

Perhaps a good place to start is to write up a draft on wiki.list.org?

-Barry

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From stephen at xemacs.org  Mon Oct 12 22:46:15 2009
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:46:15 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A modest proposal: Reply-To munging
	considered	*carefully*
In-Reply-To: <E4C0678A-8DFA-460C-8628-31106D26FD94@python.org>
References: <87skdrlkzn.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<0EE4AD5C-3BB0-4C9E-8B35-40004BD3C3F6@python.org>
	<87hbu4ieor.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<E4C0678A-8DFA-460C-8628-31106D26FD94@python.org>
Message-ID: <87bpkcibmw.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Barry Warsaw writes:

 > Perhaps a good place to start is to write up a draft on
 > wiki.list.org?

Will do.  Is there a good place to put it?

From barry at python.org  Mon Oct 12 23:04:42 2009
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:04:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A modest proposal: Reply-To munging considered
	*carefully*
In-Reply-To: <87bpkcibmw.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <87skdrlkzn.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<0EE4AD5C-3BB0-4C9E-8B35-40004BD3C3F6@python.org>
	<87hbu4ieor.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<E4C0678A-8DFA-460C-8628-31106D26FD94@python.org>
	<87bpkcibmw.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <06FCEDA4-98F9-4ADE-A341-F7F841275B67@python.org>

On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

> Barry Warsaw writes:
>
>> Perhaps a good place to start is to write up a draft on
>> wiki.list.org?
>
> Will do.  Is there a good place to put it?

I would start by putting it under Initiatives here:

http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Home

But really, we should have a separate page/section for RFCs/standards  
we're proposing.

-Barry

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From skip at pobox.com  Tue Oct 13 14:30:38 2009
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:30:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fight spam !!
In-Reply-To: <86skdz3co8.fsf@betla.izb.knu.ac.kr>
References: <COL105-W469EBC9E408A5508AF0724FBD00@phx.gbl>
	<86skdz3co8.fsf@betla.izb.knu.ac.kr>
Message-ID: <19156.29422.580041.724169@montanaro.dyndns.org>

    >> SpamAssassin is your friend ..;;

As is SpamBayes.  ;-)

-- 
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From anebi at iguanait.com  Mon Oct 19 08:45:52 2009
From: anebi at iguanait.com (anebi at iguanait.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:45:52 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to configure a mailman list so mailman to not
	send any	messages to this list?
Message-ID: <1255934752.3001.10.camel@hugo.iguanait.com>

Hi,

i created a list, but i want to configure mailman to not sent any
messages to members of this list. I want to use this list as a backup
list where to keep all my members. The members must not able to send
messages and also mailman must not send messages to them.

How can i do that?

Thanks in advanced!


From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Mon Oct 19 12:44:47 2009
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:44:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to configure a mailman list so mailman to
	not send any messages to this list?
In-Reply-To: <1255934752.3001.10.camel@hugo.iguanait.com>
References: <1255934752.3001.10.camel@hugo.iguanait.com>
Message-ID: <20091019104447.GH2105@amyl.org.uk>

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 09:45:52AM +0300, anebi at iguanait.com wrote:
> i created a list, but i want to configure mailman to not sent any
> messages to members of this list. I want to use this list as a backup
> list where to keep all my members. 

A curious case: I'd be interested to know why you feel you need a
"backup" this way? Why not just backup the list config (including
subscription members) & archive (if applicable).

> The members must not able to send messages and also 
> mailman must not send messages to them.

set everyone to moderated, disable posts from non-listmembers, hope
for the best ;) (these are in the FAQ, http://wiki.list.org/x/a4A9
handles the first part)

-- 
``Any person who knowingly causes a nuclear weapon test explosion
  or any other nuclear explosion is guilty of an offence....''
  (Nuclear Explosions Act, 1998)

From anebi at iguanait.com  Mon Oct 19 13:21:33 2009
From: anebi at iguanait.com (anebi at iguanait.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:21:33 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to configure a mailman list so mailman
	to	not send any messages to this list?
In-Reply-To: <20091019104447.GH2105@amyl.org.uk>
References: <1255934752.3001.10.camel@hugo.iguanait.com>
	<20091019104447.GH2105@amyl.org.uk>
Message-ID: <1255951293.3001.18.camel@hugo.iguanait.com>

Thanks. :)

We use google groups for this list, but i wanted to keep these members
also in a mailman list and to manage the members status in this list.
Which user is disabled, which user is active and so on.

This is why i want to limit mailman to not send any messages to these
members.

On Mon, 2009-10-19 at 11:44 +0100, Adam McGreggor wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 09:45:52AM +0300, anebi at iguanait.com wrote:
> > i created a list, but i want to configure mailman to not sent any
> > messages to members of this list. I want to use this list as a backup
> > list where to keep all my members. 
> 
> A curious case: I'd be interested to know why you feel you need a
> "backup" this way? Why not just backup the list config (including
> subscription members) & archive (if applicable).
> 
> > The members must not able to send messages and also 
> > mailman must not send messages to them.
> 
> set everyone to moderated, disable posts from non-listmembers, hope
> for the best ;) (these are in the FAQ, http://wiki.list.org/x/a4A9
> handles the first part)
> 


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 19 15:53:18 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:53:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to configure a mailman list so mailman
	tonot send any messages to this list?
In-Reply-To: <20091019104447.GH2105@amyl.org.uk>
Message-ID: <PC19220091019065318006239eae610@msapiro>

Adam McGreggor wrote:

>On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 09:45:52AM +0300, anebi at iguanait.com wrote:
>> i created a list, but i want to configure mailman to not sent any
>> messages to members of this list. I want to use this list as a backup
>> list where to keep all my members. 
>
>A curious case: I'd be interested to know why you feel you need a
>"backup" this way? Why not just backup the list config (including
>subscription members) & archive (if applicable).
>
>> The members must not able to send messages and also 
>> mailman must not send messages to them.
>
>set everyone to moderated, disable posts from non-listmembers, hope
>for the best ;) (these are in the FAQ, http://wiki.list.org/x/a4A9
>handles the first part)


Also, set delivery disabled for all members (see
<http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/set_nomail.py> and set send_reminders
(periodic password reminders) to No.

You may not want to disable delivery for all since I see in a reply
that you may want to use this to track status on another (google)
list. If so, you have to be sure that no one can post as Adam says
above.

But in any case, you need to set reminders off.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From troy.campbell at fedex.com  Wed Oct 21 01:51:58 2009
From: troy.campbell at fedex.com (Troy Campbell)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:51:58 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading from 2.1.9 to 2.1.12
Message-ID: <4ADE4D1E.7080606@fedex.com>

I'm considering upgrading from a current installation running
2.1.9 to a new server running 2.1.12.
Do I need to upgrade the 2.1.9 version on the existing server first?
I saw this note about 2.1.9 which I think I can safely ignore
but wondering if there are any other upgrade issues:
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030623
My preference is to make a copy of everything on the new
server and try a cutover so I would have the old server to
fall back to in case there are any issues since it's a relatively
important mail server (production like qualities).

Secondly, how do I move the "lists" to the second server?  Is there
a way to export the lists and re-import to another server such
that all the password information is retained or do I have to move or
copy the "var-prefix" directory over and other parts?  I'm
looking for a tool that's a bit more robust than just "list_members". 
I looked at this link but "step 1" did not seem to apply to my
installation..my current configuration is alot more like "step 3":
http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/How+do+I+move+a+list+to+a+different+server-Mailman+installation.

Appreciate your answering my preliminary and I'm sure basic questions 
while I do some googling to hopefully get some
better questions.

Regards,
Troy

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 21 04:47:20 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:47:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading from 2.1.9 to 2.1.12
In-Reply-To: <4ADE4D1E.7080606@fedex.com>
Message-ID: <PC1922009102019472009536a20698d@msapiro>

Troy Campbell wrote:

>I'm considering upgrading from a current installation running
>2.1.9 to a new server running 2.1.12.
>Do I need to upgrade the 2.1.9 version on the existing server first?

No.


>I saw this note about 2.1.9 which I think I can safely ignore
>but wondering if there are any other upgrade issues:
>http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030623


If you're referring to the note about .bak files in qfiles/in, that
would only apply if 1) such files exist on the 2.1.9 server and 2) you
are upgrading the 2.1.9 server.

There are no particular gotchas in a 2.1.9 to 2.1.12 move.

>My preference is to make a copy of everything on the new
>server and try a cutover so I would have the old server to
>fall back to in case there are any issues since it's a relatively
>important mail server (production like qualities).
>
>Secondly, how do I move the "lists" to the second server?  Is there
>a way to export the lists and re-import to another server such
>that all the password information is retained


If it is a standard Mailman without any custom member adaptors, all the
list and member information, passwords, member options, etc. (except
archives) is in the lists/LISTNAME/config.pck file.

>or do I have to move or
>copy the "var-prefix" directory over and other parts?  I'm
>looking for a tool that's a bit more robust than just "list_members". 
>I looked at this link but "step 1" did not seem to apply to my
>installation..my current configuration is alot more like "step 3":
>http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/How+do+I+move+a+list+to+a+different+server-Mailman+installation.


Look only at the first paragraph of that FAQ and the list posts linked
from that paragraph.

If you're not concerned about moving held messages and subscription
requests etc. pending confirmation. you only need to move

lists/LISTNAME/config.pck
archives/private/LISTNAME/
archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox

for each LISTNAME. If the domain names aren't changing, that's enough

If domain names are changing, you also need to run fix_url after moving
the lists and you probably only need to move
archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox and not
archives/private/LISTNAME/ because you will probably want to rebuild
the archives.

If you want the held messages and pending requests, also move
lists/LISTNAME/request.pck and lists/LISTNAME/pending.pck and
data/heldmsg-LISTNAME* for each list.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From clovis at agr.unicamp.br  Tue Oct  6 15:39:22 2009
From: clovis at agr.unicamp.br (Clovis Tristao)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 10:39:22 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error
Message-ID: <4ACB488A.5020601@agr.unicamp.br>

Hi,

Since yesterday the mailman stopped sending messages to the lists.

The message:

/var/log/mailman/post:
Oct 06 10:27:50 2009 (2335) post to listname-l from username at foo.com, 
size=2633, message-id=<4ACA34FA.8030407 at foo.com>, 322 failures

/var/log/mailman/smtp-failure:
Oct 06 10:35:50 2009 (2335) delivery to username at foo.com failed with 
code -1: Server not connected

How do I track and / or resolve the problem?

We removed the accounts of users of the machines and they were not 
removed from the listname-l list.
How do I fix this problem?
I thank you,

Cl?vis

-- 
Clovis Tristao - UNICAMP/Faculdade de Engenharia Agricola
Administrador de Redes - Secao de Informatica (SINFO)
E-mail: clovis at feagri.unicamp.br http://www.feagri.unicamp.br
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From krishnadas at marfic.com  Tue Oct  6 16:39:10 2009
From: krishnadas at marfic.com (Krishnadas Kossery)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 07:39:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot send mail to mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <20091006143029.GF2105@amyl.org.uk>
References: <4E09628ED31EE84BB396C0B0E9EB250D42B583A2BA@mail.marfic.com>
	<20091006143029.GF2105@amyl.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4E09628ED31EE84BB396C0B0E9EB250D42B583A2D6@mail.marfic.com>

Thanks Adam,

Logs - I meant by MTA logs as well as mailman logs (under /usr/local/mailman/logs)
Yes - bin/mailmanctl is running and test mails/list creations were done after querunner was started. 

Is archiving for the lists switched on? Yes - they are. 
Are messages being delivered to the archives? - No they aren't (It's here I'm stumped) (Nothing under /usr/local/mailman/archives/{public,private} either)

How do you see the mails being sent? From the command line interface running tail -f /var/log/messages; mail -v <list at domain>

I just installed another machine and I can see the same problem. It's some setting I may have missed to configure. :(
 

KrishnaDas Kossery

 

-----Original Message-----
From: adam mcgreggor [mailto:adam at tanqueray.amyl.org.uk] On Behalf Of Adam McGreggor
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 7:31 AM
To: Krishnadas Kossery
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Cannot send mail to mailing lists

On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 07:40:25AM -0700, Krishnadas Kossery wrote:
> I have mailman version 2.1.9 running on a Centos 5.2 64 bit. (Python
> 2.4.3/Apache 2.2.3/Sendmail 8.13) I'm able to subscribe to newly
> created mailing lists/Get confirmation e-mails from Mailman on
> subscription.  

> I'm unable to send e-mails to these lists (which I can
> confirm by being a member of these lists and not receiving any e-mails
> when mails are sent to the lists) The logs are clean.

Which logs? Mailman's, presumably.

Empty logs (on a new install) make me think to qrunner not running: is
it? (check, maybe with ps, start with bin/mailmanctl)

Is archiving for the lists switched on? Are messages being delivered
to the archives?

> I tried to send an email from the command line interface of the mailman 
> server and I can see the mails being sent.  

How do you see "the mails being sent"?

> Any suggestions on what to check next would be greatly helpful.

I'd check MTA config, MTA logs, then working out where (if) messages
destined to Mailman were (not) going.

-- 
``I speak better English than this villain Bush.''
  (Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, attrib.)

From aba at westmont.edu  Tue Oct  6 18:33:46 2009
From: aba at westmont.edu (Anne Anderson)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:33:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Settings for list addresses
Message-ID: <3ebf3e3f0910060933y730559ddt231722728b365cc9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Mailman folks -

We are running Mailman 2.1.9 on Linux SLES 10.  The name of this server is
mail.westmont.edu, so in mm_cfg.py we have these settings:

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'mail.westmont.edu'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mail.westmont.edu'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mail.westmont.edu'

This works fine for URLs to the administrative or user websites, but we get
problems when people try to use the address links displayed on the website
(i.e. on the listinfo page), because they show as '
listname at mail.westmont.edu'.

Our email addresses have the form 'listname at westmont.edu'.  Up until
recently, an address like 'listname at mail.westmont.edu' would also work,
because the mail was being received by the mail.westmont.edu server and it
recognized either format.

But we now have our mail hosted at Google Apps.  Google has no problem
delivering list mail as long as it doesn't have the "mail" in the address,
but if a user tries to send a message by clicking on one of those links with
"mail" in it, it gets bounced.

So, I'm hoping there is a way to set up the list address links to show as '
listname at westmont.edu' instead of 'listname at mail.westmont.edu', and still
keep the 'http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/whatever' URLs.

Is there a way to do this?

Thanks.

Anne
-- 
Anne Anderson
Web Application Developer / Database Manager
Information Technology
Westmont College

From ikaufman at eng.ucsd.edu  Tue Oct  6 20:36:37 2009
From: ikaufman at eng.ucsd.edu (Ian Kaufman)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:36:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanctl fails to start runners
Message-ID: <5292fd2d0910061136i56cc3c6dmc39458db583bdf4d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am having trouble getting my mailman instance to run. It was working for
sometime,
but I had to move some files around and add a new disk to the system, and
now
it refuses to start. The error I see is:

Starting mailman: Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 607, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 449, in main
    lock = acquire_lock(force)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 263, in acquire_lock
    lock = acquire_lock_1(force)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 248, in acquire_lock_1
    lock.lock(0.1)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 243, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 422, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lock/mailman/master-qrunner.calit2-web05.ucsd.edu.5359.1'
Exception exceptions.OSError: <exceptions.OSError instance at 0xb7b01eec> in
Exception exceptions.OSError: <exceptions.OSError instance at 0xb7b01ecc>
in                                    [FAILED]

It appears that mailmanctl tries to create the lockfile, but does not, as
there is nothing
in /var/lock/mailman. I have run check_perms and there were no errors.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Ian

-- 
Ian Kaufman
Research Systems Administrator
UC San Diego, Jacobs School of Engineering ikaufman AT ucsd DOT edu

From clovis at agr.unicamp.br  Wed Oct  7 13:49:13 2009
From: clovis at agr.unicamp.br (Clovis Tristao)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 08:49:13 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman(error)
Message-ID: <4ACC8039.5040602@agr.unicamp.br>

Hi (again),

Since yesterday the mailman stopped sending messages to the lists.

The message:

/var/log/mailman/post:
Oct 06 10:27:50 2009 (2335) post to listname-l from username at foo.com, 
size=2633, message-id=<4ACA34FA.8030407 at foo.com>, 322 failures

/var/log/mailman/smtp-failure:
Oct 06 10:35:50 2009 (2335) delivery to username at foo.com failed with 
code -1: Server not connected

How do I track and / or resolve the problem?

We removed the accounts of users of the machines and they were not 
removed from the listname-l list.
How do I fix this problem?
I thank you,

Cl?vis

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Administrador de Redes - Secao de Informatica (SINFO)
E-mail: clovis at feagri.unicamp.br http://www.feagri.unicamp.br
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From Adam.Nichols at advance.net  Wed Oct  7 17:22:34 2009
From: Adam.Nichols at advance.net (Adam Nichols)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:22:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive is not showing messages
Message-ID: <9E27EEB6AA97FB4C852C9A22619BC9A80915384B@swaiide007.ailocal.com>

When I go to the archive page, I get the "No messages have been posted
to this list yet, so the archives are currently empty. You can get more
information about this list."

 

This is a newly created list.  I have the archive option set to yes.  I
can see the emails in "/var/lib/mailman/lists/<groupname>/digest.mbox".
I have also set the option to archive daily, and have the cron job: 27 3
* * * mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip.

 

Where else do I need to look to check on the archiving?  My other groups
are successfully archiving.

 

Thanks


From carloswill at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 17:38:20 2009
From: carloswill at gmail.com (Carlos Williams)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:38:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache Configuration for Mailman
Message-ID: <d80f793f0910070838j16cb076eja324b38af90ac407@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to install / configure MailMan on my mail server which is
running Postfix 2.6 & Apache 2 on CentOS 5 x64. I am following the
guide on the MailMan page labeled "5 Set up your web server". I am
confused here because it advises me to do the following:

   ScriptAlias /mailman/       /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/

When I add that line into my /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf file, I get
this error when I restart Apache:

[root at mail conf]# service httpd restart
Stopping httpd:                                            [OK]
Starting httpd: [Tue Oct 06 14:51:49 2009] [warn] The ScriptAlias
directive in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf at line 565 will probably
never match because it overlaps an earlier ScriptAlias.
                                                           [  OK  ]


So now I am wondering if this means I placed it in the wrong section
of my httpd.conf file. I really don't know so I am asking you guys
what I am doing wrong? In my httpd.conf file in CentOS, I placed it on
line 565 in the section that looked appropriate:

# ScriptAlias: This controls which directories contain server scripts.
# ScriptAliases are essentially the same as Aliases, except that
# documents in the realname directory are treated as applications and
# run by the server when requested rather than as documents sent to the client.
# The same rules about trailing "/" apply to ScriptAlias directives as to
# Alias.
#
ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/var/www/cgi-bin/"

ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/"

#
# "/var/www/cgi-bin" should be changed to whatever your ScriptAliased
# CGI directory exists, if you have that configured.
#
<Directory "/var/www/cgi-bin">
    AllowOverride None
    Options None
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>


Can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong?

From lutzborkenhagen at googlemail.com  Wed Oct  7 18:13:22 2009
From: lutzborkenhagen at googlemail.com (Lutz Borkenhagen)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:13:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Donation
Message-ID: <c2b193aa0910070913x23a27a09nebdd066a8f8cd3ed@mail.gmail.com>

Dear ladies and gentlemen,

we are start-up company from germany and we want to donate to your project
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html
We are operating the webproject www.finanzvergleich.de and we want to ask
you if it is possible, that you announce us with a link on your page, if we
donate?
And how much we have to donate for it? (the link would help us, as we help
you)

Keep on the good work and we are looking forward for your answer!

Kind regards
Lutz Borkenhagen

From touw.j at touwmail.com  Thu Oct  8 00:35:45 2009
From: touw.j at touwmail.com (Jason Touw)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:35:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I export contact information from mailmain
Message-ID: <490AF14DA756434D894D3BF5EE5143803A82443B1F@P3PW5EX1MB02.EX1.SECURESERVER.NET>

I have a list of names that I would like to export from all my lists and cannot seem to find a way how to do this? Does anyone know??

Regards,
Jason Touw
5630 W. Atlantic Ave, Delray Beach, FL. 33484
eMail: touwjason at gmail.com<mailto:touwjason at gmail.com>
Mobile:  561.302.4599

From carloswill at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 14:57:17 2009
From: carloswill at gmail.com (Carlos Williams)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:57:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache Configuration for Mailman
Message-ID: <d80f793f0910080557q9eae44fm5931057f48ede73f@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to install / configure MailMan on my mail server which is
running Postfix 2.6 & Apache 2 on CentOS 5 x64. I am following the
guide on the MailMan page labeled "5 Set up your web server". I am
confused here because it advises me to do the following:

  ScriptAlias /mailman/       /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/

When I add that line into my /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf file, I get
this error when I restart Apache:

[root at mail conf]# service httpd restart
Stopping httpd:                                            [OK]
Starting httpd: [Tue Oct 06 14:51:49 2009] [warn] The ScriptAlias
directive in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf at line 565 will probably
never match because it overlaps an earlier ScriptAlias.
                                                          [  OK  ]


So now I am wondering if this means I placed it in the wrong section
of my httpd.conf file. I really don't know so I am asking you guys
what I am doing wrong? In my httpd.conf file in CentOS, I placed it on
line 565 in the section that looked appropriate:

# ScriptAlias: This controls which directories contain server scripts.
# ScriptAliases are essentially the same as Aliases, except that
# documents in the realname directory are treated as applications and
# run by the server when requested rather than as documents sent to the client.
# The same rules about trailing "/" apply to ScriptAlias directives as to
# Alias.
#
ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/var/www/cgi-bin/"

ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/"

#
# "/var/www/cgi-bin" should be changed to whatever your ScriptAliased
# CGI directory exists, if you have that configured.
#
<Directory "/var/www/cgi-bin">
   AllowOverride None
   Options None
   Order allow,deny
   Allow from all
</Directory>


Can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong?

From ikaufman at eng.ucsd.edu  Tue Oct  6 20:32:45 2009
From: ikaufman at eng.ucsd.edu (Ian Kaufman)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:32:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] trouble starting mailman
Message-ID: <5292fd2d0910061132u2923fcacs2a7fd57cd7947151@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am having trouble getting my mailman instance to run. It was working for
sometime,
but I had to move some files around and add a new disk to the system, and
now
it refuses to start. The error I see is:

Starting mailman: Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 607, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 449, in main
    lock = acquire_lock(force)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 263, in acquire_lock
    lock = acquire_lock_1(force)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 248, in acquire_lock_1
    lock.lock(0.1)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 243, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 422, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lock/mailman/master-qrunner.calit2-web05.ucsd.edu.5359.1'
Exception exceptions.OSError: <exceptions.OSError instance at 0xb7b01eec> in
Exception exceptions.OSError: <exceptions.OSError instance at 0xb7b01ecc>
in                                    [FAILED]

It appears that mailmanctl tries to create the lockfile, but does not, as
there is nothing
in /var/lock/mailman. I have run check_perms and there were no errors.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Ian

Ian Kaufman
Research Systems Administrator
UC San Diego, Jacobs School of Engineering ikaufman AT ucsd DOT edu

From marisa at umn.edu  Fri Oct  9 01:11:45 2009
From: marisa at umn.edu (marisa at umn.edu)
Date: 08 Oct 2009 18:11:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hepl with python syntax, etc.
Message-ID: <Gophermail.2.0.0910081811450.28701@vs-m.tc.umn.edu>



Hello! I have three questions. I really will appreciate your help!

As you will notice from the questions, I am dealing with spam mail from
people who writes from "konwn" servers  -- I already filter messages with
heathers that show "spam" and "unknown". One of the major problems is
some people that uses for the "from" address the name of the mailng list,
so I like to be able to filter messages by individual names as well.

1) What is the expression that I should use for:

"List of non-member addresses whose postings will be immediately held for
moderation."

If I want to allaw all but a few users (like list1 and list2) from   
my domain (stat.umn.edu anbd/or umn.edu) to be hold for moderation?

I tested with combinations like:

^.*\@*\.umn\.edu | =! suzane\@stat\.umn\.edu | =!jerry\@stat\.umn\.edu

but things do not work. If I use only:

^.*\@*\.umn\.edu

yes, I can accept people from this domain and no one else, but when
I add an "and" ("|") everything seems to break and no one from the
umn.edu domain is is accepted.

I also try to use the example from a mailng list topic -- "How do I
accept or reject all addresses from a particular domain".

I included in "List of non-member addresses whose postings will be
automatically discarded" the names of the users that I want to discard

(list1 and list2 on my exaple) plus the negation of all the others 
from the domain I will alllaw:

That box looks like:
list1 at stat.umn.edu
list2 at stat.umn.edu
^[^@]+@(?!(.*\.)?umn\.edu$)

and no good resoults neither.

2) how does mailman builds the lists that show on:

"List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically
rejected"

and

"List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically
discarded."

and other places like for some spam filters as well?

and 3)   

I understand that mailman will retry when mail can not be sent once each
hours for five days, according with:

DELIVERY_RETRY_PERIOD = days(5)
DELIVERY_RETRY_WAIT = hours(1)

but by looking at logs (mailman and postfix) it seems like mailman
attempts to send the messages again each time it gets the error 450 from
postfix. that becames a never ending dialogue! Am I missign some
settings?

Thank you!
                        






From Chris.Cox at cw.com  Fri Oct  9 15:45:00 2009
From: Chris.Cox at cw.com (Cox, Chris)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:45:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the "<listname>-bounces" address
Message-ID: <F063B2E9D050AD4B9F031F7159BD8F1F03308E75@gbcwswiem006.ad.plc.cwintra.com>

Hello Mark
I have been asked to change the senders address to list-mails rather
than list-bounces.
Did you try this sort of change already, and was it successful ?

Chris Cox.
Solution Support Engineer
Cable & Wireless
Europe, Asia and USA

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From carloswill at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 18:49:40 2009
From: carloswill at gmail.com (Carlos Williams)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:49:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Genaliases Command Help
Message-ID: <d80f793f0910090949p2bfda984o9ac67f2ca5d8ae21@mail.gmail.com>

When installing MailMan, the guide explains that I need to run the
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases to "to initialize your aliases file".
I do so as instructed and get the following response:

[root at mail bin]# ./genaliases
[root at mail bin]#

As you can see I am issued no errors or anything to that nature
however nothing ever generates an aliases file unless it's somewhere I
can't find. What am I doing wrong? I don't think this matters but the
permissions are listed below:

drwxrwsr-x  13 root mailman    4096 Oct  9 12:15 mailman

[root at mail lib]# cd mailman/

[root at mail mailman]# ls -l
total 44
drwxrwsr-x  2 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 bin
drwxrwsr-x  2 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 cgi-bin
drwxrwsr-x  2 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 cron
drwxrwsr-x  2 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 icons
drwxrwsr-x  2 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 mail
drwxrwsr-x 11 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:38 Mailman
drwxrwsr-x 34 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 messages
drwxrwsr-x  6 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 pythonlib
drwxrwsr-x  2 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 scripts
drwxrwsr-x 35 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 templates
drwxrwsr-x  4 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 tests

Please help me understand what is going wrong.

Thanks!

From RikP at pobox.com  Fri Oct  9 19:36:02 2009
From: RikP at pobox.com (Rik Pierce)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:36:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] message bounce from good addresses
Message-ID: <3b82504d0910091036o732e6b5dtfc87b63379ae39@mail.gmail.com>

Is this a place to ask for help with Mailman? If not, please point me in the
right direction

We have 3 mail lists. The big one is a Notify list in which people sign up
to get information about events. A smaller one is our members who we enroll
to send our newsletter and members info to. I include the members in with
the notify list by mass subscribing them. Mailman weeds out the duplicates
and we are left with one large Notify list that contain those who signed
themselves and members who we subscribed. Recently I discovered that some of
the members were not getting Notify messages. I checked the list and see
that the addresses are correct and the same on Notify as they are on the
Members list. However many bounce. I cannot determine which are good and
which are not. But if I go to view the list of email addresses on the Notify
list, I can click on each of them to get information about them. More than
half of them show this warning:

We have received some recent bounces from your address. Your current *bounce
score* is 1.0 out of a maximum of 5.0. Please double check that your
subscribed address is correct and that there are no problems with delivery
to this address. Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the
problems are corrected soon.

This appears with email addresses I know are good. Addresses on the Members
list that do work. I do not know what to do.

Help?

Rik Pierce

From realett at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 20:38:22 2009
From: realett at gmail.com (Thomas Reale)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:38:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] basic set-up question regarding gnu mailman
Message-ID: <6ede4780910101138q691183aag172294ea162ddcb7@mail.gmail.com>

To whom it may concern,

I am about to begin the installation process for gnu mailman.  I'm
learning some Python for this very purpose, but I seem to be getting
hung up on some of the jargon, and I believe I might be intuitively
inept at a starting point.  I have two questions:

1)  Does the installation need to occur on an always-turned-on computer?

2)  Will others be able to manage the list remotely via the web (I
know that I can access any other Linux-based machine remotely)?

I think the answer to number 2 is yes, but I need to verify my hunches
before I move ahead for a small marketing project.

Thank you,
Thomas

From carl.parsons at pingnu.com  Sun Oct 11 12:09:30 2009
From: carl.parsons at pingnu.com (Carl Parsons)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:09:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error
Message-ID: <4AD1AEDA.9090309@pingnu.com>

Hi

We have been trying to get mailman working on a fedora 10 installation
I can get it working on a internal server but my external server gives 
the following error.
I use webmin which places virtual servers in /home so I had to recompile 
suexec to work in a different root
I suspect this is the problem but do not understand suexec configuration 
enough to fix the error

Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was 
unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, root at localhost and inform them 
of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that 
may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Carl


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From mersyll at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 12 03:09:01 2009
From: mersyll at yahoo.com (Jan Peters)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:09:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with removing my messages
Message-ID: <144771.73282.qm@web58005.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Dear MailMan,

Before I knew that my name would be published on the web, I wrote about six messages on a genealogy list.? I need to have them removed due to safety concerns.? The list administrator has not been able to do this.? May I please ask you for your help?

Thank you,
Jan Peters



      

From shulman at mathcamp.org  Mon Oct 12 21:40:56 2009
From: shulman at mathcamp.org (Michael Shulman)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:40:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] phantom bounces
Message-ID: <4AD38648.10908@mathcamp.org>

Hi,

I am having a strange problem.  One of my users is repeatedly being
automatically unsubscribed from a mailing list, supposedly due to the
receipt of too many bounces from his (working) email address.  The list
is configured to notify me when bounces trigger a disabling or
unsubscription, but I didn't receive any such notification.  I see in
the "bounce" log a record of many received bounces from his address,
although most of the time there was no email sent to the list at that
time to produce a bounce.  Moreover, when I configured my mail software
to forward me a copy of everything sent to listname-bounces, I didn't
receive any bounces from his address.

Is there a way to configure mailman to keep a copy of all the bounce
messages it receives somewhere, so that I can inspect them?

Thanks!
Mike

From Kimberly.Kopplien at linnbenton.edu  Mon Oct 12 21:39:00 2009
From: Kimberly.Kopplien at linnbenton.edu (Kimberly Kopplien)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:39:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Administrator
Message-ID: <4AD322FB.622D.0082.0@linnbenton.edu>

One of my List Administrator lost their password how do I re-set it for them?
Thanks,
Kimberly 
 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kimberly Kopplien
Linn-Benton Community College
Information Services
Hours: 9 a.m. to 1 p.m. M-F
541-917-4491


 

From krishnadas at marfic.com  Tue Oct 13 06:22:21 2009
From: krishnadas at marfic.com (Krishnadas Kossery)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:22:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archives
Message-ID: <4E09628ED31EE84BB396C0B0E9EB250D42B583A345@mail.marfic.com>

When messages are archived in mailman, they are losing their original format.  Tables appear as text and are not readable. I would like to retain the original format as is.
Please suggest.

Regards,
Krishna



From krishnadas at marfic.com  Tue Oct 13 10:59:30 2009
From: krishnadas at marfic.com (Krishnadas Kossery)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:59:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot send mail to mailing lists
References: <4E09628ED31EE84BB396C0B0E9EB250D42B583A2BA@mail.marfic.com>
	<20091006143029.GF2105@amyl.org.uk> 
Message-ID: <4E09628ED31EE84BB396C0B0E9EB250D42B583A352@mail.marfic.com>

Finally we got mailman working. 

The problem was as simple as our server network interface not listening to any network interfaces other than loopback for SMTP requests. 

:(

Anyways we are up and running. Thanks for the help. 

Regards,
Lego



-----Original Message-----
From: Krishnadas Kossery 
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 7:39 AM
To: 'Adam McGreggor'
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Cannot send mail to mailing lists

Thanks Adam,

Logs - I meant by MTA logs as well as mailman logs (under /usr/local/mailman/logs)
Yes - bin/mailmanctl is running and test mails/list creations were done after querunner was started. 

Is archiving for the lists switched on? Yes - they are. 
Are messages being delivered to the archives? - No they aren't (It's here I'm stumped) (Nothing under /usr/local/mailman/archives/{public,private} either)

How do you see the mails being sent? From the command line interface running tail -f /var/log/messages; mail -v <list at domain>

I just installed another machine and I can see the same problem. It's some setting I may have missed to configure. :(
 

KrishnaDas Kossery

 

-----Original Message-----
From: adam mcgreggor [mailto:adam at tanqueray.amyl.org.uk] On Behalf Of Adam McGreggor
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 7:31 AM
To: Krishnadas Kossery
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Cannot send mail to mailing lists

On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 07:40:25AM -0700, Krishnadas Kossery wrote:
> I have mailman version 2.1.9 running on a Centos 5.2 64 bit. (Python
> 2.4.3/Apache 2.2.3/Sendmail 8.13) I'm able to subscribe to newly
> created mailing lists/Get confirmation e-mails from Mailman on
> subscription.  

> I'm unable to send e-mails to these lists (which I can
> confirm by being a member of these lists and not receiving any e-mails
> when mails are sent to the lists) The logs are clean.

Which logs? Mailman's, presumably.

Empty logs (on a new install) make me think to qrunner not running: is
it? (check, maybe with ps, start with bin/mailmanctl)

Is archiving for the lists switched on? Are messages being delivered
to the archives?

> I tried to send an email from the command line interface of the mailman 
> server and I can see the mails being sent.  

How do you see "the mails being sent"?

> Any suggestions on what to check next would be greatly helpful.

I'd check MTA config, MTA logs, then working out where (if) messages
destined to Mailman were (not) going.

-- 
``I speak better English than this villain Bush.''
  (Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, attrib.)

From greg at tonerdoctor.com  Tue Oct 13 19:57:29 2009
From: greg at tonerdoctor.com (Greg)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:57:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help.
Message-ID: <002901ca4c2e$a1b60e30$e5222a90$@com>

I am lost! I need step by step instruction on launching the Mailman system.
I need to be able to send a lot of emails at once and have no idea on how to
even get started. I have read and checked out every link provided and still
can't figure it out. Can you help please?


From cathleenmcguire at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 21:16:44 2009
From: cathleenmcguire at gmail.com (Cathleen McGuire)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:16:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to change host servers for mailing list ?
Message-ID: <dc06c9150910131216mcb1c33dk747d22831e1505c1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi -- I am helping one of your users with her Mailman mailing list. Her web
site is called vijali.net and it is hosted on Lunarpages.

We are currently developing a new web site with a new domain on a new server
hosted by GoDaddy.com.

We need to keep the vijali.net mailing list, but in June the web site
expires and so I need to figure out a solution for how to continue to use
the Mailman mailing list software in our new environment.

Or in the alternative, if you can't service us at our new host, how can I
import the email data even to something like a cvs file?

I looked on your web site and on your wiki for FAQs that deal with these
issues, but I didn't find anything that could help me.

Any and all help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Cathleen McGuire

From geral at altadensidade.com  Wed Oct 14 19:15:31 2009
From: geral at altadensidade.com (Geral - Alta Densidade)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:15:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to all
Message-ID: <035401ca4cf1$f10079d0$d3016d70$@com>

Hi.

I? m trying to configure a mailing list where I want that only the moderator
or administrator receive the reply to the messages.

But when someone of the list do reply to all, all the other members receive
it. How can I prevent it?

 

Thank you.

 

Paulo Geada

Alta Densidade - Inform?tica, Lda

 


From kirth.bobb at blinemedical.com  Wed Oct 14 20:44:07 2009
From: kirth.bobb at blinemedical.com (Kirth Bobb)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:44:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Google Apps Standard
Message-ID: <5577a8fb0910141144s6cff0261rdd49c676de451235@mail.gmail.com>

I'm having some difficulty understanding how to get mailman to work with my
Google Domain. Is there any documentation that outlines how to accomplish
this? Anyone have any guidance to give.

thanks

From gmagle at lincoln.dist57.org  Wed Oct 14 21:19:37 2009
From: gmagle at lincoln.dist57.org (Glenn Magle)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:19:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the port number used to when you need to
	approve messages
Message-ID: <C9ED995E-1E86-4540-9A9D-AD3255596EE9@lincoln.dist57.org>

Can you tell me where to look to change the port # of the web link to  
approve messages. We have some lists using port 8080 and they will not  
work, all ports without this are fine.

From grover1711 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 13:23:01 2009
From: grover1711 at gmail.com (ankush grover)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:53:01 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Enabling the option "the should get the message
	that his mail has been approved" in Mailman
Message-ID: <5f638b360910150423r3f64fdd5q3f043f75332f1eec@mail.gmail.com>

I am using mailman 2.1.5 on RHEL 4 in production and 2.1.9-4 on Centos
5 in Testing environment. I am trying to configure an option in
mailman that is "the sender should get the message that his mail has
been approved". The sender gets the mail whenever his mail gets
rejected however no mail goes to the sender whenever his request/mail
gets approved.

Please let me know which option to configure in mailman so that I can
have this feature enabled in the mailman. There is no issuing in
upgrading the mailman version in-case the need is there.


Thanks & Regards

Ankush

From svante at tidholm.se  Thu Oct 15 14:22:43 2009
From: svante at tidholm.se (Svante Tidholm)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:22:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] expost user list as csv
Message-ID: <66C272D8-FFA9-4EAE-AB6F-B150ACF46973@tidholm.se>

Hi all,
I've been using a shell script to compile a list of all subscribers on  
a list for our intranet at a site I'm taking care of. This is done  
with the mailman-subscribers.py script and some smart commands that  
parse the csv file in different ways.

I run this as a cron script hourly on the server so that the  
subscriber list is updated. Then suddenly I realized this is weird way  
to do it, it must be smarter to use the list_member command in bin/,  
but I can't get a nicely formatted CSV file as with mailman- 
subscribers.py. Has anyone a smart idea on how to fix this? Or maybe I  
should add it as a feature request somewhere for the list_members  
script?

See these pages for more info what I'm talking about:
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030569
http://www.msapiro.net/mailman-subscribers.py

Thanks,
Svante 

From hien.hh at sbsc.com.vn  Mon Oct 19 08:19:27 2009
From: hien.hh at sbsc.com.vn (Hien HUYNH HUU)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:19:27 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Increase Mailman Performance
Message-ID: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207213C8CA@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>

Dear all,
       How to increase Mailman Performance ? Now I'm using mailman with qmail . I see that I takes about 50 mins to send all 10.000 messages . I think this is a slow speed because I've heard that qmail can handle 10 million emails per day.
      In my qmail, I installed big_concurrency patch and I set remote concurrency to 400. The spawn of qmail is 100 instead of 23.
      Please guide me how to increase to speed of mailman, I wish It can send 10.000 messages within 10 mins :) . Can It do that ?
      Best regards,
      Huu Hien



From svante at tidholm.se  Mon Oct 19 10:08:42 2009
From: svante at tidholm.se (Svante Tidholm)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:08:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] expost user list as csv
Message-ID: <B5A45F46-EE39-4649-AB0A-F74481856E30@tidholm.se>

Hi all,
I've been using a shell script to compile a list of all subscribers on  
a list for our intranet at a site I'm taking care of. This is done  
with the mailman-subscribers.py script and some smart commands that  
parse the csv file in different ways.

I run this as a cron script hourly on the server so that the  
subscriber list is updated. Then suddenly I realized this is weird way  
to do it, it must be smarter to use the list_member command in bin/,  
but I can't get a nicely formatted CSV file as with mailman- 
subscribers.py. Has anyone a smart idea on how to fix this? Or maybe I  
should add it as a feature request somewhere for the list_members  
script?

See these pages for more info what I'm talking about:
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030569
http://www.msapiro.net/mailman-subscribers.py

Thanks,
Svante

From adria at espaivirtual.com  Mon Oct 19 10:49:35 2009
From: adria at espaivirtual.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?QWRyaeA=?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:49:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hotmail users don't receive
Message-ID: <000301ca5099$1623e530$426baf90$@com>

Please help me.

I?m sending a list with mailman, but the Hotmail users don?t recive the
email.

How can solucionate this? Is important that the hotmail users can receive
the list email.

Thanks.

 

Adri? Cutillas

espaivirtual


From avdb18 at kpnplanet.nl  Mon Oct 19 12:06:57 2009
From: avdb18 at kpnplanet.nl (A.J. van den Berg)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:06:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My question is: Is there a way to remove an archive?
Message-ID: <007501ca50a3$e453a9e0$4601a8c0@acer5520>

Hello,
 
My question is: Is there a way to remove an archive?
 
Greetings
 
Andr? vd Berg
Hofstedenlaan 18
9301RW Roden
050-5013733

avdb18 at kpnplanet.nl

 

From adria at espaivirtual.com  Tue Oct 20 16:05:35 2009
From: adria at espaivirtual.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?QWRyaeA=?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:05:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Hotmail
Message-ID: <002201ca518e$654bc1f0$2fe345d0$@com>

Hei,

 

We have problems with sended emails to Hotmail.

Hotmail users don?t receive emails from mailman lists, please help us to
solucionate the problem.

Thanks.

 

Adri?

espaivirtual


From kirth.bobb at blinemedical.com  Tue Oct 20 20:37:16 2009
From: kirth.bobb at blinemedical.com (Kirth Bobb)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:37:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Postfix and Google Apps
Message-ID: <5577a8fb0910201137t1f7cdda1pb1e9a1e5dc02c7ff@mail.gmail.com>

So I have a domain with email hosted with google apps. I have a mailman
server setup here in the office and I am able to send emails, like when
users subscribe, etc. What do I need to configure to get mailman to read
emails from my google apps. Do I need to create a user on my google domain
and then use fetchmail to retrieve emails from that mailbox. If so, would
anyone be kind enough to point me to some documentation that outlines the
tasks needed to accomplish what I outlined above?

Thanks
Kirth

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Oct 21 10:22:04 2009
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:22:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I export contact information from
 mailmain
In-Reply-To: <490AF14DA756434D894D3BF5EE5143803A82443B1F@P3PW5EX1MB02.EX1.SECURESERVER.NET>
References: <490AF14DA756434D894D3BF5EE5143803A82443B1F@P3PW5EX1MB02.EX1.SECURESERVER.NET>
Message-ID: <20091021082203.GS3203@charite.de>

* Jason Touw <touw.j at touwmail.com>:

> I have a list of names that I would like to export from all my lists
> and cannot seem to find a way how to do this? Does anyone know??

I don't understand the question. If you already have the list, what is
there to export?
-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Oct 21 10:34:12 2009
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:34:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Administrator
In-Reply-To: <4AD322FB.622D.0082.0@linnbenton.edu>
References: <4AD322FB.622D.0082.0@linnbenton.edu>
Message-ID: <20091021083412.GW3203@charite.de>

* Kimberly Kopplien <Kimberly.Kopplien at linnbenton.edu>:

> One of my List Administrator lost their password how do I re-set it for them?

./bin/change_pw -l listname

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Oct 21 10:36:19 2009
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:36:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to all
In-Reply-To: <035401ca4cf1$f10079d0$d3016d70$@com>
References: <035401ca4cf1$f10079d0$d3016d70$@com>
Message-ID: <20091021083619.GX3203@charite.de>

* Geral - Alta Densidade <geral at altadensidade.com>:
> Hi.
> 
> I? m trying to configure a mailing list where I want that only the moderator
> or administrator receive the reply to the messages.

Set an explicit reply-to:
 
> But when someone of the list do reply to all, all the other members receive
> it. How can I prevent it?

Make the list moderated.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Oct 21 10:45:06 2009
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:45:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Increase Mailman Performance
In-Reply-To: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207213C8CA@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
References: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207213C8CA@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
Message-ID: <20091021084506.GA3203@charite.de>

* Hien HUYNH HUU <hien.hh at sbsc.com.vn>:
> Dear all,

>        How to increase Mailman Performance ? Now I'm using mailman with
>        qmail.

ou could use postfix, which caches connections and sends a message to
multiple recipients instead of one mail per recipient.

>        I see that I takes about 50 mins to send all 10.000 messages . I
>        think this is a slow speed because I've heard that qmail can
>        handle 10 million emails per day.

On what hardware? On which kind of bandwidth?

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Oct 21 10:50:51 2009
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:50:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My question is: Is there a way to remove an
 archive?
In-Reply-To: <007501ca50a3$e453a9e0$4601a8c0@acer5520>
References: <007501ca50a3$e453a9e0$4601a8c0@acer5520>
Message-ID: <20091021085051.GC3203@charite.de>

* A.J. van den Berg <avdb18 at kpnplanet.nl>:
> Hello,
>  
> My question is: Is there a way to remove an archive?

Yes.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Oct 21 10:51:27 2009
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:51:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Hotmail
In-Reply-To: <002201ca518e$654bc1f0$2fe345d0$@com>
References: <002201ca518e$654bc1f0$2fe345d0$@com>
Message-ID: <20091021085127.GD3203@charite.de>

* Adri? <adria at espaivirtual.com>:
> Hei,
> 
>  
> 
> We have problems with sended emails to Hotmail.

Well who hasn't?
 
> Hotmail users don?t receive emails from mailman lists, please help us to
> solucionate the problem.

Sign up for https://postmaster.live.com

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From krishnadas at marfic.com  Wed Oct 21 10:53:03 2009
From: krishnadas at marfic.com (Krishnadas Kossery)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:53:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My question is: Is there a way to remove an
 archive?
In-Reply-To: <007501ca50a3$e453a9e0$4601a8c0@acer5520>
References: <007501ca50a3$e453a9e0$4601a8c0@acer5520>
Message-ID: <4E09628ED31EE84BB396C0B0E9EB250D42B583A3D4@mail.marfic.com>

 cd /usr/local/mailman (cd $mailman_prefix)
 bin/rmlist -r <listname>

This removes the list and its archives. 

 Krishna

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+krishnadas=marfic.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+krishnadas=marfic.com at python.org] On Behalf Of A.J. van den Berg
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:07 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My question is: Is there a way to remove an archive?

Hello,
 
My question is: Is there a way to remove an archive?
 
Greetings
 
Andr? vd Berg
Hofstedenlaan 18
9301RW Roden
050-5013733

avdb18 at kpnplanet.nl

 
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From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Wed Oct 21 11:28:47 2009
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:28:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] expost user list as csv
In-Reply-To: <B5A45F46-EE39-4649-AB0A-F74481856E30@tidholm.se>
References: <B5A45F46-EE39-4649-AB0A-F74481856E30@tidholm.se>
Message-ID: <20091021092847.GB1983@amyl.org.uk>

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:08:42AM +0200, Svante Tidholm wrote:
> Hi all,
> I've been using a shell script to compile a list of all subscribers on  
> a list for our intranet at a site I'm taking care of. This is done  
> with the mailman-subscribers.py script and some smart commands that  
> parse the csv file in different ways.
> 
> I run this as a cron script hourly on the server so that the  
> subscriber list is updated. Then suddenly I realized this is weird way  
> to do it, it must be smarter to use the list_member command in bin/,  
> but I can't get a nicely formatted CSV file as with mailman- 
> subscribers.py. 

could you define 'nicely formatted'? 

Is the formatting something that Data::Table (or its Python equiv?)
could be used for, or perhaps tr(1), awk, or sed could 'handle'?

(I've not used Mark's mailman-subscribers.py; I'd have included a few
sample out-put lines, for those not au fait with it (and too lazy to
fetch/review/run it)).

-- 
``Sir Humphrey: The ship of state, Bernard, is the only ship
  that leaks from the top. 

From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Wed Oct 21 11:30:54 2009
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:30:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error
In-Reply-To: <4AD1AEDA.9090309@pingnu.com>
References: <4AD1AEDA.9090309@pingnu.com>
Message-ID: <20091021093054.GC1983@amyl.org.uk>

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:09:30AM +0100, Carl Parsons wrote:
> Hi
> 
> We have been trying to get mailman working on a fedora 10 installation
> I can get it working on a internal server but my external server gives 
> the following error.
> I use webmin which places virtual servers in /home so I had to recompile 
> suexec to work in a different root

I'd not be using webmin, for a start.

> I suspect this is the problem but do not understand suexec configuration 
> enough to fix the error
> 
> Internal Server Error
> 
> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was 
> unable to complete your request.
> 
> Please contact the server administrator, root at localhost and inform them 
> of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that 
> may have caused the error.
> 
> More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

So, what's in the Apache Error Log?

-- 
``Every problem in the world can be fixed with either flowers,
  or duct tape, or both.'' (David Millington)

From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Wed Oct 21 11:33:09 2009
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:33:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Hotmail
In-Reply-To: <002201ca518e$654bc1f0$2fe345d0$@com>
References: <002201ca518e$654bc1f0$2fe345d0$@com>
Message-ID: <20091021093309.GD1983@amyl.org.uk>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 04:05:35PM +0200, Adri? wrote:
> We have problems with sended emails to Hotmail.
> 
> Hotmail users don?t receive emails from mailman lists, please help us to
> solucionate the problem.

You'd probably need to work out *why* Hotmail aren't taking your mail.
Has your IP address been blacklisted, for example?

What's in the MTA logs for those mails? Are they all the same sort of
error?

-- 
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Wed Oct 21 11:35:55 2009
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:35:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My question is: Is there a way to remove an
 archive?
In-Reply-To: <20091021085051.GC3203@charite.de>
References: <007501ca50a3$e453a9e0$4601a8c0@acer5520>
	<20091021085051.GC3203@charite.de>
Message-ID: <20091021093554.GM3203@charite.de>

* Ralf Hildebrandt <Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de>:
> * A.J. van den Berg <avdb18 at kpnplanet.nl>:
> > Hello,
> >  
> > My question is: Is there a way to remove an archive?
> 
> Yes.

You can simply delete the archives using "rm"
Of course you need to disable archiving.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt
  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
  Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin
  Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962
  ralf.hildebrandt at charite.de | http://www.charite.de
	    

From malcolm.austen at weald.org.uk  Wed Oct 21 11:17:55 2009
From: malcolm.austen at weald.org.uk (Malcolm Austen)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:17:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with removing my messages
In-Reply-To: <144771.73282.qm@web58005.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <144771.73282.qm@web58005.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <op.u14735zhg14ka7@oucs-hue.oucs.ox.ac.uk>

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 02:09:01 +0100, Jan Peters <mersyll at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Before I knew that my name would be published on the web, I wrote about  
> six messages on a genealogy list.  I need to have them removed due to  
> safety concerns.  The list administrator has not been able to do this.   
> May I please ask you for your help?

This list can't help you Jan but RootsWeb provide an interface by which  
people can request the removal of (their own) posts from list archives,  
have you tried that?

<URL:http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/remove>

regards, Malcolm.

-- 
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Wed Oct 21 11:36:15 2009
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:36:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I export contact information from
	mailmain
In-Reply-To: <490AF14DA756434D894D3BF5EE5143803A82443B1F@P3PW5EX1MB02.EX1.SECURESERVER.NET>
References: <490AF14DA756434D894D3BF5EE5143803A82443B1F@P3PW5EX1MB02.EX1.SECURESERVER.NET>
Message-ID: <20091021093615.GE1983@amyl.org.uk>

On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 03:35:45PM -0700, Jason Touw wrote:
> I have a list of names that I would like to export from all my lists
> and cannot seem to find a way how to do this? Does anyone know??

s/names/email addresses/

find_members | tee -a ?

-- 
``Any person who knowingly causes a nuclear weapon test explosion
  or any other nuclear explosion is guilty of an offence....''
  (Nuclear Explosions Act, 1998)

From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Wed Oct 21 11:41:12 2009
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:41:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with removing my messages
In-Reply-To: <144771.73282.qm@web58005.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <144771.73282.qm@web58005.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20091021094112.GF1983@amyl.org.uk>

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 06:09:01PM -0700, Jan Peters wrote:
> Before I knew that my name would be published on the web, I wrote
> about six messages on a genealogy list.? I need to have them removed
> due to safety concerns.? The list administrator has not been able to
> do this.? May I please ask you for your help?

The list-admin will need to remove the messages from the archive
(q.v.: http://wiki.list.org/x/2YA9), and then, presumably force an
update with the search indices/engines.

-- 
``Who's Whom -- a sort of Who's Who for pedants.''
  (Marcus Brigstocke, from `The 99p Challenge')

From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Wed Oct 21 11:43:30 2009
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:43:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My question is: Is there a way to remove an
	archive?
In-Reply-To: <20091021085051.GC3203@charite.de>
References: <007501ca50a3$e453a9e0$4601a8c0@acer5520>
	<20091021085051.GC3203@charite.de>
Message-ID: <20091021094330.GG1983@amyl.org.uk>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:50:51AM +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> * A.J. van den Berg <avdb18 at kpnplanet.nl>:
> > Hello,
> >  
> > My question is: Is there a way to remove an archive?
> 
> Yes.

And presuming the OP wanted to know how (but didn't actually ask), and
was unaware of <http://wiki.list.org>, and whilst it's still in my
paste-buffer: <http://wiki.list.org/x/2YA9>

-- 
``I never make predictions. I never have, and I never will.''
  (Tony Blair)

From kremels at kreme.com  Wed Oct 21 11:58:47 2009
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:58:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Hotmail
In-Reply-To: <002201ca518e$654bc1f0$2fe345d0$@com>
References: <002201ca518e$654bc1f0$2fe345d0$@com>
Message-ID: <639EE06D-F265-4F13-B486-A821F9D82396@kreme.com>

On 20-Oct-2009, at 08:05, Adri? wrote:
> We have problems with sended emails to Hotmail.

Welcome to the Internet.

> Hotmail users don?t receive emails from mailman lists, please help  
> us to
> solucionate the problem.

Anyone using hotmail should be well used to not receiving emails.


-- 
Gods don't like people not doing much work. People who aren't busy all  
the time might start to think. --Small Gods


From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Wed Oct 21 13:57:05 2009
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:57:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help.
In-Reply-To: <002901ca4c2e$a1b60e30$e5222a90$@com>
References: <002901ca4c2e$a1b60e30$e5222a90$@com>
Message-ID: <20091021115705.GN1983@amyl.org.uk>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:57:29PM -0500, Greg wrote:
> I am lost! I need step by step instruction on launching the Mailman system.
> I need to be able to send a lot of emails at once and have no idea on how to
> even get started. I have read and checked out every link provided and still
> can't figure it out. Can you help please?

In that case, I'd suggest you find someone to handle the
hosting/set-up/initial configuration for you.

There's a list of some known-parties on the wiki. A couple even
contribute to this list, from time to time.

-- 
``Foot-and-mouth believed to be first virus
  unable to spread through Microsoft Outlook'' (spoof headline)

From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Wed Oct 21 14:02:18 2009
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:02:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to change host servers for mailing list ?
In-Reply-To: <dc06c9150910131216mcb1c33dk747d22831e1505c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dc06c9150910131216mcb1c33dk747d22831e1505c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091021120218.GO1983@amyl.org.uk>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 03:16:44PM -0400, Cathleen McGuire wrote:
> Hi -- I am helping one of your users with her Mailman mailing list. Her web
> site is called vijali.net and it is hosted on Lunarpages.

Never heard of "lunarpages". Do they provide shell access to Mailman,
or just over-the-web?

> We are currently developing a new web site with a new domain on a new server
> hosted by GoDaddy.com.
> 
> We need to keep the vijali.net mailing list, but in June the web site
> expires and so I need to figure out a solution for how to continue to use
> the Mailman mailing list software in our new environment.

"a new server hosted" implies an actual machine. In which case it
could just be as simple as installing Mailman (and an MTA) on said
machine, and then copying over the relevant directories from the
current host.

(and possibly fixing up URIs)

> Or in the alternative, if you can't service us at our new host, 

you? us? The Cabal provide the software, it's up to folks as to where
they install it.

> how can I
> import the email data even to something like a cvs file?

you'll need to export it from the existing instance, first.

> I looked on your web site and on your wiki for FAQs that deal with these
> issues, but I didn't find anything that could help me.

You appear to have missed <http://wiki.list.org/x/2oA9>

-- 
``We're all fucked. I'm fucked. You're fucked. The whole department's fucked.
  It's been the biggest cock-up ever and we're all completely fucked.''
  (Sir Richard Mottram, to Martin Sixsmith, describing the Jo Moore DTLR fiasco)

From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Wed Oct 21 14:06:51 2009
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:06:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Genaliases Command Help
In-Reply-To: <d80f793f0910090949p2bfda984o9ac67f2ca5d8ae21@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d80f793f0910090949p2bfda984o9ac67f2ca5d8ae21@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091021120651.GP1983@amyl.org.uk>

On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 12:49:40PM -0400, Carlos Williams wrote:
> When installing MailMan, the guide explains that I need to run the
> /usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases to "to initialize your aliases file".
> I do so as instructed and get the following response:
> 
> [root at mail bin]# ./genaliases
> [root at mail bin]#

do you have any lists? 

genaliases may not always be appropriate, depending on the options in
your Mailman config file; 
    MTA= 

-- 
``Who's Whom -- a sort of Who's Who for pedants.''
  (Marcus Brigstocke, from `The 99p Challenge')

From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Wed Oct 21 14:34:23 2009
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:34:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache Configuration for Mailman
In-Reply-To: <d80f793f0910080557q9eae44fm5931057f48ede73f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d80f793f0910080557q9eae44fm5931057f48ede73f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091021123423.GS1983@amyl.org.uk>

On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 08:57:17AM -0400, Carlos Williams wrote:
> it advises me to do the following:
> 
>   ScriptAlias /mailman/       /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
> 
> When I add that line into my /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf file, I get
> this error when I restart Apache:
> 
> [root at mail conf]# service httpd restart
> Stopping httpd:                                            [OK]
> Starting httpd: [Tue Oct 06 14:51:49 2009] [warn] The ScriptAlias
> directive in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf at line 565 will probably
> never match because it overlaps an earlier ScriptAlias.

This is more of an Apache config thing.

Presuming all of your apache configs reside somewhere in /etc/httpd,
I'd probably be inclined to see where-else /mailman exists: 

    grep -R mailman /etc/httpd/

-- I imagine another config file is including a "ScriptAlias
/mailman" stanza.

What happens when you try to access <http://example.org/mailman>?


-- 
The Boss: What makes you think my mother is a moron?
 Dilbert: She fed you.
 (Scott Adams)

From b19141 at anl.gov  Wed Oct 21 14:38:29 2009
From: b19141 at anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:38:29 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] expost user list as csv
In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Svante Tidholm <svante@tidholm.se>'
	dated: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:22:43 +0200
Message-ID: <20091021123829.39548174E6@britaine.cis.anl.gov>

Svante Tidholm <svante at tidholm.se> wrote:

>Hi all,
>I've been using a shell script to compile a list of all subscribers on  
>a list for our intranet at a site I'm taking care of. This is done  
>with the mailman-subscribers.py script and some smart commands that  
>parse the csv file in different ways.
>
>I run this as a cron script hourly on the server so that the  
>subscriber list is updated. Then suddenly I realized this is weird way  
>to do it, it must be smarter to use the list_member command in bin/,  
>but I can't get a nicely formatted CSV file as with mailman- 
>subscribers.py. Has anyone a smart idea on how to fix this? Or maybe I  
>should add it as a feature request somewhere for the list_members  
>script?
>
>See these pages for more info what I'm talking about:
>http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030569
>http://www.msapiro.net/mailman-subscribers.py

I am not sure what fields you are extracting via the bin/list_members
command.  I produce an hourly list of all of the subscriptions to all
of my Mailman lists; I extract only the list name and e-mail address.
For what you want to do, I suggest an awk script to post-process the
output of bin/list_members.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
Building 240, Room 5.B.8             Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov
Argonne, IL   60439-4828             IBMMAIL:  I1004994


From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Wed Oct 21 15:34:51 2009
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:34:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why are old messages appearing all of a sudden all
	the time?
Message-ID: <4ADF0DFB.9040908@libertytrek.org>

This is a bit annoying.

-- 

Best regards,

Charles

From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Wed Oct 21 15:52:51 2009
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:52:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why are old messages appearing all of a sudden
	all the time?
In-Reply-To: <4ADF0DFB.9040908@libertytrek.org>
References: <4ADF0DFB.9040908@libertytrek.org>
Message-ID: <20091021135251.GV1983@amyl.org.uk>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 09:34:51AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
> This is a bit annoying.

Those with an X-Mailman-Approved-At: header, par chance?

-- 
If tin whistles are made of tin, what are foghorns made of?

From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Wed Oct 21 15:57:31 2009
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:57:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why are old messages appearing all of a sudden
 all the time?
In-Reply-To: <20091021135251.GV1983@amyl.org.uk>
References: <4ADF0DFB.9040908@libertytrek.org>
	<20091021135251.GV1983@amyl.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4ADF134B.2040102@libertytrek.org>

On 10/21/2009 9:52 AM, Adam McGreggor wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 09:34:51AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> This is a bit annoying.
> 
> Those with an X-Mailman-Approved-At: header, par chance?

Oh, right... sorry...

-- 

Best regards,

Charles

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 21 16:12:28 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:12:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I export contact information from
	mailmain
In-Reply-To: <490AF14DA756434D894D3BF5EE5143803A82443B1F@P3PW5EX1MB02.EX1.SECURESERVER.NET>
Message-ID: <PC1922009102107122800932307ae79@msapiro>

Jason Touw wrote:

>I have a list of names that I would like to export from all my lists and cannot seem to find a way how to do this? Does anyone know??


If you really mean 'export', see the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/aYA9>.

If you mean 'import', use bin/add_members or admin mass subscribe.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 21 16:21:53 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:21:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] expost user list as csv
In-Reply-To: <66C272D8-FFA9-4EAE-AB6F-B150ACF46973@tidholm.se>
Message-ID: <PC1922009102107215303122307af6d@msapiro>

Svante Tidholm wrote:
>
>Then suddenly I realized this is weird way  
>to do it, it must be smarter to use the list_member command in bin/,  
>but I can't get a nicely formatted CSV file as with mailman- 
>subscribers.py. Has anyone a smart idea on how to fix this? Or maybe I  
>should add it as a feature request somewhere for the list_members  
>script?


There is currently no command line tool to give you what you want. It
could be done as an addition to list_members or as a separate script.

I'll think about it and put something on my web site.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 21 16:38:30 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:38:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archives
In-Reply-To: <4E09628ED31EE84BB396C0B0E9EB250D42B583A345@mail.marfic.com>
Message-ID: <PC192200910210738300031b444527d@msapiro>

Krishnadas Kossery wrote:

>When messages are archived in mailman, they are losing their original format.  Tables appear as text and are not readable. I would like to retain the original format as is.


What is the "original format".

Please be more specific as to what is sent to the list, what is
received in messages delivered from the list and what is in the
archive.

I'm only guessing because of not having this information, but my guess
is your list does not filter content and the posts are
multipart/alternative with text/plain and text/html alternatives. You
see the HTML part in an email message, but in the archive you see the
text/plain part and the text/html part has been stored aside as
escaped 'raw' HTML.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From krishnadas at marfic.com  Wed Oct 21 16:41:14 2009
From: krishnadas at marfic.com (Krishnadas Kossery)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:41:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archives
In-Reply-To: <PC192200910210738300031b444527d@msapiro>
References: <4E09628ED31EE84BB396C0B0E9EB250D42B583A345@mail.marfic.com>
	<PC192200910210738300031b444527d@msapiro>
Message-ID: <4E09628ED31EE84BB396C0B0E9EB250D42B583A3DC@mail.marfic.com>

Thank you Mark. We found a work around by providing a link in the footer as an attachment.  

Krishna



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:39 AM
To: Krishnadas Kossery; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archives

Krishnadas Kossery wrote:

>When messages are archived in mailman, they are losing their original format.  Tables appear as text and are not readable. I would like to retain the original format as is.


What is the "original format".

Please be more specific as to what is sent to the list, what is
received in messages delivered from the list and what is in the
archive.

I'm only guessing because of not having this information, but my guess
is your list does not filter content and the posts are
multipart/alternative with text/plain and text/html alternatives. You
see the HTML part in an email message, but in the archive you see the
text/plain part and the text/html part has been stored aside as
escaped 'raw' HTML.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 21 17:04:28 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:04:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error
In-Reply-To: <4ACB488A.5020601@agr.unicamp.br>
Message-ID: <PC192200910210804280765e0b168d9@msapiro>

Clovis Tristao wrote:
>
>Since yesterday the mailman stopped sending messages to the lists.
>
>The message:
>
>/var/log/mailman/post:
>Oct 06 10:27:50 2009 (2335) post to listname-l from username at foo.com, 
>size=2633, message-id=<4ACA34FA.8030407 at foo.com>, 322 failures
>
>/var/log/mailman/smtp-failure:
>Oct 06 10:35:50 2009 (2335) delivery to username at foo.com failed with 
>code -1: Server not connected
>
>How do I track and / or resolve the problem?


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/-IA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 21 17:13:38 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:13:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Settings for list addresses
In-Reply-To: <3ebf3e3f0910060933y730559ddt231722728b365cc9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC192200910210813380765e0b168e3@msapiro>

Anne Anderson wrote:
>
>We are running Mailman 2.1.9 on Linux SLES 10.  The name of this server is
>mail.westmont.edu, so in mm_cfg.py we have these settings:
>
>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
>DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'mail.westmont.edu'
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mail.westmont.edu'
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mail.westmont.edu'
>
>This works fine for URLs to the administrative or user websites, but we get
>problems when people try to use the address links displayed on the website
>(i.e. on the listinfo page), because they show as '
>listname at mail.westmont.edu'.
>
>Our email addresses have the form 'listname at westmont.edu'.  Up until
>recently, an address like 'listname at mail.westmont.edu' would also work,
>because the mail was being received by the mail.westmont.edu server and it
>recognized either format.
>
>But we now have our mail hosted at Google Apps.  Google has no problem
>delivering list mail as long as it doesn't have the "mail" in the address,
>but if a user tries to send a message by clicking on one of those links with
>"mail" in it, it gets bounced.
>
>So, I'm hoping there is a way to set up the list address links to show as '
>listname at westmont.edu' instead of 'listname at mail.westmont.edu', and still
>keep the 'http://mail.westmont.edu/mailman/whatever' URLs.
>
>Is there a way to do this?


There are two ways to do this.

You can just change the lists' host_name attribute to westmont.edu, or
you can fix mm_cfg.py by changing

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mail.westmont.edu'

to

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'westmont.edu'

and then if you don't already have it following the

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'westmont.edu'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mail.westmont.edu'

put

VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

and then run

  bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url


-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 21 17:21:03 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:21:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanctl fails to start runners
In-Reply-To: <5292fd2d0910061136i56cc3c6dmc39458db583bdf4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC192200910210821030828e0b168ff@msapiro>

Ian Kaufman wrote:
>
>I am having trouble getting my mailman instance to run. It was working for
>sometime,
>but I had to move some files around and add a new disk to the system, and
>now
>it refuses to start. The error I see is:
>
>Starting mailman: Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 607, in ?
>    main()
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 449, in main
>    lock = acquire_lock(force)
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 263, in acquire_lock
>    lock = acquire_lock_1(force)
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 248, in acquire_lock_1
>    lock.lock(0.1)
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 243, in lock
>    self.__write()
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 422, in __write
>    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
>IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
>'/var/lock/mailman/master-qrunner.calit2-web05.ucsd.edu.5359.1'
>Exception exceptions.OSError: <exceptions.OSError instance at 0xb7b01eec> in
>Exception exceptions.OSError: <exceptions.OSError instance at 0xb7b01ecc>
>in                                    [FAILED]
>
>It appears that mailmanctl tries to create the lockfile, but does not, as
>there is nothing
>in /var/lock/mailman. I have run check_perms and there were no errors.


Mailman (or the user running mailmanctl) doesn't have permission to
create files in it's locks directory. This could be /var/lock/mailman
if this is a RedHat package. See the definition of LOCK_DIR in
Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py.

Are you running mailmanctl as root?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 21 17:30:09 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:30:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive is not showing messages
In-Reply-To: <9E27EEB6AA97FB4C852C9A22619BC9A80915384B@swaiide007.ailocal.com>
Message-ID: <PC192200910210830090312e0b16701@msapiro>

Adam Nichols wrote:

>When I go to the archive page, I get the "No messages have been posted
>to this list yet, so the archives are currently empty. You can get more
>information about this list."
>
> 
>
>This is a newly created list.  I have the archive option set to yes.  I
>can see the emails in "/var/lib/mailman/lists/<groupname>/digest.mbox".
>I have also set the option to archive daily, and have the cron job: 27 3
>* * * mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip.


archive_volume_frequency has nothing to do with this. Setting it to
Daily will just create separate index pages for each day instead of
the default each month.

Also, cron/nightly_gzip has nothing to do with creating archives in the
first place. it only gzips the <period>.txt file into <period>.txt.gz

Check Mailman's error log. If other lists are archiving OK, there may
be a permissions issue involving this list. Have you run
bin/check_perms?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 21 17:37:49 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:37:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache Configuration for Mailman
In-Reply-To: <d80f793f0910070838j16cb076eja324b38af90ac407@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC192200910210837490984e0b169c9@msapiro>

Carlos Williams wrote:

>I am trying to install / configure MailMan on my mail server which is
>running Postfix 2.6 & Apache 2 on CentOS 5 x64. I am following the
>guide on the MailMan page labeled "5 Set up your web server". I am
>confused here because it advises me to do the following:
>
>   ScriptAlias /mailman/       /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
>
>When I add that line into my /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf file, I get
>this error when I restart Apache:
>
>[root at mail conf]# service httpd restart
>Stopping httpd:                                            [OK]
>Starting httpd: [Tue Oct 06 14:51:49 2009] [warn] The ScriptAlias
>directive in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf at line 565 will probably
>never match because it overlaps an earlier ScriptAlias.
>                                                           [  OK  ]
>
>
>So now I am wondering if this means I placed it in the wrong section
>of my httpd.conf file. I really don't know so I am asking you guys
>what I am doing wrong? In my httpd.conf file in CentOS, I placed it on
>line 565 in the section that looked appropriate:


I am guessing that there is a /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman file that was
installed as part of the RedHat/CentOS Mailman package that contains a
ScriptAlias /mailman/ and other directives.

Are you installing a package? Did you previously install a package and
are you now installing from source? If you are installing a package,
follow the package's documentation. If you are installing from source
over a package, first remove the package.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 21 17:45:41 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:45:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Genaliases Command Help
In-Reply-To: <d80f793f0910090949p2bfda984o9ac67f2ca5d8ae21@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC192200910210845410406e9991b7f@msapiro>

Carlos Williams wrote:

>When installing MailMan, the guide explains that I need to run the
>/usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases to "to initialize your aliases file".
>I do so as instructed and get the following response:
>
>[root at mail bin]# ./genaliases
>[root at mail bin]#
>
>As you can see I am issued no errors or anything to that nature
>however nothing ever generates an aliases file unless it's somewhere I
>can't find. What am I doing wrong? I don't think this matters but the
>permissions are listed below:


Do you have

MTA = 'Postfix'

in mm_cfg.py


>drwxrwsr-x  13 root mailman    4096 Oct  9 12:15 mailman
>
>[root at mail lib]# cd mailman/
>
>[root at mail mailman]# ls -l
>total 44
>drwxrwsr-x  2 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 bin
>drwxrwsr-x  2 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 cgi-bin
>drwxrwsr-x  2 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 cron
>drwxrwsr-x  2 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 icons
>drwxrwsr-x  2 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 mail
>drwxrwsr-x 11 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:38 Mailman
>drwxrwsr-x 34 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 messages
>drwxrwsr-x  6 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 pythonlib
>drwxrwsr-x  2 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 scripts
>drwxrwsr-x 35 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 templates
>drwxrwsr-x  4 root mailman 4096 Oct  9 12:15 tests
>
>Please help me understand what is going wrong.


The above is your 'prefix' directory. Whats in your 'var_prefix'
directory? In particular $var_prefix/data/ ?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From clovis at agr.unicamp.br  Wed Oct 21 18:13:40 2009
From: clovis at agr.unicamp.br (Clovis Tristao)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:13:40 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error
In-Reply-To: <PC192200910210804280765e0b168d9@msapiro>
References: <PC192200910210804280765e0b168d9@msapiro>
Message-ID: <4ADF3334.3060004@agr.unicamp.br>

Hi,

Had several users that were removed from the system, and inadvertently 
not been
unenrolled from the list.
Thus the list was waged on behalf of unknown users.
Once you have removed users from the list returned to work.
Thank you for your assistance,

Cl?vis

Em 21-10-2009 13:04, Mark Sapiro escreveu:
> Clovis Tristao wrote:
>    
>> Since yesterday the mailman stopped sending messages to the lists.
>>
>> The message:
>>
>> /var/log/mailman/post:
>> Oct 06 10:27:50 2009 (2335) post to listname-l from username at foo.com,
>> size=2633, message-id=<4ACA34FA.8030407 at foo.com>, 322 failures
>>
>> /var/log/mailman/smtp-failure:
>> Oct 06 10:35:50 2009 (2335) delivery to username at foo.com failed with
>> code -1: Server not connected
>>
>> How do I track and / or resolve the problem?
>>      
>
> See the FAQ at<http://wiki.list.org/x/-IA9>.
>
>    


-- 
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Administrador de Redes - Secao de Informatica (SINFO)
E-mail: clovis at feagri.unicamp.br http://www.feagri.unicamp.br
Fone(0xx19) 35211031-35211038-91173116 ou FAX(55xx19) 35211005/35211010


From savoy at uleth.ca  Wed Oct 21 19:20:33 2009
From: savoy at uleth.ca (Savoy, Jim)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:20:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regexp help
Message-ID: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B0108892D@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>

Sorry to break the thread on this (my previous message didn't go
through, so I guess this

list is being moderated now).

 

Anyway, just wanted to say that I fixed my regexp problem. I am running
an older version

of Mailman, so tried this instead:

 

  \nfrom:.*unique.name

 

and it worked!

 

-          jim -

-           


From savoy at uleth.ca  Wed Oct 21 18:24:28 2009
From: savoy at uleth.ca (Savoy, Jim)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:24:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regexp help
Message-ID: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B01088907@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>

Hi all - I am trying to have all of the mail sent to a certain email
account automatically forwarded

to a moderated mailing list (moderated to everyone accept the mail from
this particular email

account). So I created the account (we'll call it
unique.name at some.domain) and set up the mailing

list (we'll call it abc-l at some.domain).

 

The only way I can think of getting the mailing list to accept the
forwarded mail is to use the spam

filters under [Privacy Options]. I create a new Spam Filter Rule like
so:

 

 /^.*unique.name.*$/

 

(I will make this more specific later)

 

But that doesn't seem to work. Mail sent to unique.name at some.domain
returns the error message

"you are not allowed to post to this mailing list" to the original
sender. I assumed that unique.name

would be somewhere in the email headers, which is what the Spam rules
are filtering on, right?

 

Any ideas what I am doing wrong?

 

Thanks.

 

-          jim -

-           

 


From savoy at uleth.ca  Wed Oct 21 22:14:24 2009
From: savoy at uleth.ca (Savoy, Jim)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:14:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regexp help
In-Reply-To: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B0108892D@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>
References: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B0108892D@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>
Message-ID: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B0108897C@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>

>I wrote:

>Anyway, just wanted to say that I fixed my regexp problem. I am running
>an older version of Mailman, so tried this instead:

>  \nfrom:.*unique.name

>and it worked!


Looks like I spoke to soon. It actually did not work. I have also tried
\n.*unique.name and that failed as well (I assumed that would just
compare
to all of the headers, as I am not sure if "from" was the one I should
be
looking at). Any ideas? (I am running mailman 2.1.5 still).

 - jim -

 

From savoy at uleth.ca  Wed Oct 21 22:47:09 2009
From: savoy at uleth.ca (Savoy, Jim)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:47:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regexp help
In-Reply-To: <4ADF7078.3010902@ualberta.ca>
References: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B0108892D@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>
	<366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B0108897C@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>
	<4ADF7078.3010902@ualberta.ca>
Message-ID: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B01088996@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>

>Jim, try
from: .*@(?!.*uleth.ca)

The 'anything before the @ sign' is obvious, but the '?!.*' is to test 
for possible machine names, in case they're there.

Nope. That failed. I added a "\n" to the front of this and that failed
as well. I didn't think I would have to make any accommodations for the
"machine names" though because I have given this account a very unique
name, so my goal here is just to accept the mail if that unique.name is
found in any header at all. This is why I was sure that:

\n.*unique.name

would be good enough. But it was not. I probably don't really understand
what this filter is looking for though...

 - jim -






From G.Booth at usm.edu  Wed Oct 21 23:13:09 2009
From: G.Booth at usm.edu (George Booth)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:13:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regexp help
In-Reply-To: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B01088907@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>
Message-ID: <2E5DC1E4D09844C6850379BF10E4FFCB@elysium>

Why don't you just add the email account to the list, set it for no mail,
and set it so it's unmoderated? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+g.booth=usm.edu at python.org 
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+g.booth=usm.edu at python.org] On 
> Behalf Of Savoy, Jim
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:24 AM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] regexp help
> 
> Hi all - I am trying to have all of the mail sent to a certain email
> account automatically forwarded
> 
> to a moderated mailing list (moderated to everyone accept the 
> mail from
> this particular email
> 
> account). So I created the account (we'll call it
> unique.name at some.domain) and set up the mailing
> 
> list (we'll call it abc-l at some.domain).
> 
>  
> 
> The only way I can think of getting the mailing list to accept the
> forwarded mail is to use the spam
> 
> filters under [Privacy Options]. I create a new Spam Filter Rule like
> so:
> 
>  
> 
>  /^.*unique.name.*$/
> 
>  
> 
> (I will make this more specific later)
> 
>  
> 
> But that doesn't seem to work. Mail sent to unique.name at some.domain
> returns the error message
> 
> "you are not allowed to post to this mailing list" to the original
> sender. I assumed that unique.name
> 
> would be somewhere in the email headers, which is what the Spam rules
> are filtering on, right?
> 
>  
> 
> Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks.
> 
>  
> 
> -          jim -
> 
> -           
> 
>  
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/g.booth%4
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From savoy at uleth.ca  Wed Oct 21 23:22:09 2009
From: savoy at uleth.ca (Savoy, Jim)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:22:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regexp help
In-Reply-To: <2E5DC1E4D09844C6850379BF10E4FFCB@elysium>
References: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B01088907@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>
	<2E5DC1E4D09844C6850379BF10E4FFCB@elysium>
Message-ID: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B010889A7@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>

George Booth wrote:

>Why don't you just add the email account to the list, set it for no
mail,
and set it so it's unmoderated? 

Well that was the first thing I did, but that didn't work because the
mail
is not technically coming from that account. It's coming from whoever
originally
sent it (the unique.name account just forwards). That is why I thought I
could
try to circumvent it by using the spam filter to just search all of the
headers for an occurance of "unique.name".

 - jim -


From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Wed Oct 21 23:26:35 2009
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:26:35 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] basic set-up question regarding gnu mailman
In-Reply-To: <6ede4780910101138q691183aag172294ea162ddcb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6ede4780910101138q691183aag172294ea162ddcb7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0910212320330.3961@data.home>

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009, Thomas Reale wrote:

> I am about to begin the installation process for gnu mailman.  I'm
> learning some Python for this very purpose, but I seem to be getting
> hung up on some of the jargon, and I believe I might be intuitively
> inept at a starting point.  I have two questions:

You don't really need to know any Python in order to use Mailman.  I know 
some Python but I've never had to look at any of the sources...oh except 
once but I was wanting to do something which wasn't officially supported.

> 1)  Does the installation need to occur on an always-turned-on computer?

Well...I suppose it doesn't *really*, but it's a good idea.  If you have 
the list on a machine that's not always on, users will have to wait till 
it comes up again before they can receive messages and these will 
inevitably arrive in clumps, plus anyone wanting to perform list 
administration will not be able to when the machine is switched off.

> 2)  Will others be able to manage the list remotely via the web (I
> know that I can access any other Linux-based machine remotely)?

Yes, if you want them to.  It's expected that most list administration 
will occur using the web interface.

Geoff.


From savoy at uleth.ca  Wed Oct 21 23:36:32 2009
From: savoy at uleth.ca (Savoy, Jim)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:36:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regexp help
In-Reply-To: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B010889A7@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>
References: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B01088907@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca><2E5DC1E4D09844C6850379BF10E4FFCB@elysium>
	<366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B010889A7@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>
Message-ID: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B010889AC@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>

I looked at one of the actual headers (I am not posting the actual name
I am using as we don't want anyone to mail to it just yet!) but it
looked
like this:

To: "Name, Unique" <unique.name at uleth.ca>

Since there is a dot in the username, I thought maybe that was fouling
up
the regular expression, so I tried all of these:

\nto: .*unique\.name
to: .*unique\.name
to: .*unique


to no avail...

 - jim -


From savoy at uleth.ca  Thu Oct 22 00:24:53 2009
From: savoy at uleth.ca (Savoy, Jim)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:24:53 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regexp help
In-Reply-To: <E83705EC59BF4818A00C4F29FE7E0C5D@elysium>
References: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B010889AC@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>
	<E83705EC59BF4818A00C4F29FE7E0C5D@elysium>
Message-ID: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B010889C8@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>

>> To: "Name, Unique" <unique.name at uleth.ca>

>George Booth wrote:
 
>Jim, I don't know if this will help, but this is what I use for our
lists'
>spam filters to accept from our domain:

>^[^@]+@(.+\.|)unique\.name$

>Worth a shot?


OK, but the domain isn't "unique.name" - that is the username. The
domain is uleth.ca.
And when I think about it, the dot couldn't be messing up my regexp
because it
just means "a single character" so unique.name and unique\.name would
each
accept unique.name.

But I did find something in google (no date on it) from Mark Sapiro that
could
be at the root of my problem.

----------------
Mark wrote:

You can't bypass holds for bounce_matching_headers.
You can't bypass membership and moderation checks.
You can't bypass other holds such as message too big, etc.

This is because the Accept action on a header_filter_rules rule only
means pass the header_filter_rules tests. It doesn't mean
unconditionally accept the message.

So assuming that what you want is to bypass the other
header_filter_rules, you need to "add new item" before the current
rule 1 so the new rule becomes #1. Then the new rule 1 regexp should be

  ^from:.*(\s|<)some\.person\.name at gmail\.com(\s|>|$)

and the action Accept.
-------------

So perhaps the problem is that I cannot over-ride the membership and
moderation checks, which state that only list members may post to this
particular list. That is my problem. I need to over-ride them.

 - jim -

 

From savoy at uleth.ca  Thu Oct 22 00:54:10 2009
From: savoy at uleth.ca (Savoy, Jim)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:54:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regexp help
In-Reply-To: <4ADF8F1A.7070209@scu.edu>
References: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B010889AC@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>	<E83705EC59BF4818A00C4F29FE7E0C5D@elysium>
	<366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B010889C8@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>
	<4ADF8F1A.7070209@scu.edu>
Message-ID: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B010889D7@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>

>CNulk writes:

>Hi Jim,

>I may be completely wrong (heck, wouldn't be the first time), but why
>not have your "unique.name" address be an alias to a simple
>bash/perl/etc. script which simply accepts the email message, rewrites
>the message to be from the unique.name address, and sends it on to the
>list.  When the list sees the message, it will appear to be "from"
>unique.name and the standard mailman moderation and message acceptance
>rules would apply.  I had to do something similar for a different email
>distribution package to get around a software limitation.  It should
>work unless you really need the from address to be from the actual
sender.

Yep - I could do that. Have exim rewrite the headers before it sends out
the message, but the people on the mailing list do want to know who the
email originally came from. They just don't want everyone to have access
to their mailing list, just this one account (an inquiries-type of
account).

I just re-read Mark's comments, and he says:

-------
So assuming that what you want is to bypass the other
header_filter_rules, you need to "add new item" before the current rule
1 so the new rule becomes #1. Then the new rule 1 regexp should be

  ^from:.*(\s|<)some\.person\.name at gmail\.com(\s|>|$)

and the action Accept.
-------

and that is exactly what I want to do - bypass the header_filter_rules.
But I am
afraid I don't quite understand this advice, Mark. How can I make this
spam rule
supercede other rules (like the one that says the list is moderated).
There
is no "add new item" button when you haven't got any spam rules. That
only
comes up when after I create me first rule, which is not superceding the
moderation
rule.

I should probably not say anything else until Mark logs in. He's
probably looking at
this huge chain and wanting to crack our skulls together like Moe.

 - jim -
 

From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Thu Oct 22 01:05:08 2009
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:05:08 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regexp help
In-Reply-To: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B010889D7@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>
References: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B010889AC@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>
	<E83705EC59BF4818A00C4F29FE7E0C5D@elysium>
	<366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B010889C8@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>
	<4ADF8F1A.7070209@scu.edu>
	<366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B010889D7@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0910220100390.3961@data.home>

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Savoy, Jim wrote:

> Yep - I could do that. Have exim rewrite the headers before it sends out
> the message, but the people on the mailing list do want to know who the
> email originally came from. They just don't want everyone to have access
> to their mailing list, just this one account (an inquiries-type of
> account).

Ok, maybe I'm missing the point here.  couldn't you just allow all 
non-member postings and manually approve subscriptions?  Define the 
address as an alternate name for the list if you really don't want to give 
out the list address.

On one site I administer, we've converted our simple Email forwarder 
public Email address to a mailing list, with the project managers as the 
ownly subscribers.  Apart from the odd bit of fun we have with Reply-to, 
it works pretty well.  It helps to fascilitate discussion between the 
managers and encourages managers to copy everyone else on messages sent 
back to people outside the project.

Geoff.


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 22 02:15:14 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:15:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hepl with python syntax, etc.
In-Reply-To: <Gophermail.2.0.0910081811450.28701@vs-m.tc.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <PC1922009102117151408286feee90a@msapiro>

marisa at umn.edu wrote:
>
>Hello! I have three questions. I really will appreciate your help!
>
>As you will notice from the questions, I am dealing with spam mail from
>people who writes from "konwn" servers  -- I already filter messages with
>heathers that show "spam" and "unknown". One of the major problems is
>some people that uses for the "from" address the name of the mailng list,
>so I like to be able to filter messages by individual names as well.
>
>1) What is the expression that I should use for:
>
>"List of non-member addresses whose postings will be immediately held for
>moderation."
>
>If I want to allaw all but a few users (like list1 and list2) from   
>my domain (stat.umn.edu anbd/or umn.edu) to be hold for moderation?
>
>I tested with combinations like:
>
>^.*\@*\.umn\.edu | =! suzane\@stat\.umn\.edu | =!jerry\@stat\.umn\.edu
>
>but things do not work. If I use only:
>
>^.*\@*\.umn\.edu
>
>yes, I can accept people from this domain and no one else, but when
>I add an "and" ("|") everything seems to break and no one from the
>umn.edu domain is is accepted.


^.*\@*\.umn\.edu

works, but it doesn't do what you mean. It matches any address that
contains ".umn.edu" anywhere within it including such things as
user.umn.edu at example.com and user at mail.umn.education.net. It literally
says zero or more anything followed by zero or more '@' followed by
'.umn.edu' followed by anything.


What you want for this is

^.*[@.]umn\.edu$

which matches any address that ends with "@umn.edu" or ".umn.edu"


The attempt at negative expressions for suzane and jerry is completely
invalid. The spaces around '|' are significant. They will be part of
the regexps and need to match, and '=!' is not valid.

First, are suzane and jerry list members?  Anything you put in
*_these_nonmembers only applies to nonmembers. These will not serve to
hold posts from members that would ordinarily be accepted.

If suzane and jerry are not members, just put

^.*[@.]umn\.edu$

in hold_these_nonmembers and put the two lines

suzane at stat.umn.edu
jerry at stat.umn.edu

in accept_these_nonmembers which is tested first. lines that don't
begin with ^ are simple addresses, not regexps.


>I also try to use the example from a mailng list topic -- "How do I
>accept or reject all addresses from a particular domain".
>
>I included in "List of non-member addresses whose postings will be
>automatically discarded" the names of the users that I want to discard
>
>(list1 and list2 on my exaple) plus the negation of all the others 
>from the domain I will alllaw:
>
>That box looks like:
>list1 at stat.umn.edu
>list2 at stat.umn.edu
>^[^@]+@(?!(.*\.)?umn\.edu$)
>
>and no good resoults neither.


This one matches the literal addresses 'list1 at stat.umn.edu' and
'list2 at stat.umn.edu' plus any address that does not end with
'@anything.umn.edu' or '@umn.edu'. If that's what you want, it should
work, but remember it only applies to non-member addresses.


>2) how does mailman builds the lists that show on:
>
>"List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically
>rejected"
>
>and
>
>"List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically
>discarded."
>
>and other places like for some spam filters as well?


Mailman doesn't 'build' those lists except that when you process a post
from a non-member in the admindb interface, you can check a box to add
the From: address of that post to one of those lists.


>and 3)   
>
>I understand that mailman will retry when mail can not be sent once each
>hours for five days, according with:
>
>DELIVERY_RETRY_PERIOD = days(5)
>DELIVERY_RETRY_WAIT = hours(1)
>
>but by looking at logs (mailman and postfix) it seems like mailman
>attempts to send the messages again each time it gets the error 450 from
>postfix. that becames a never ending dialogue! Am I missign some
>settings?


A 450 from Postfix during SMTP should result in that one message being
retried once every hour for 5 days, but the same will happen with the
next message and the next.

If these 450 statuses are undeliverable local addresses, put

unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550

in Postfix's main.cf to return 550 instead which will result in an
immediate bounce.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 22 02:34:23 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:34:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the "<listname>-bounces" address
In-Reply-To: <F063B2E9D050AD4B9F031F7159BD8F1F03308E75@gbcwswiem006.ad.plc.cwintra.com>
Message-ID: <PC1922009102117342304686feee7ab@msapiro>

Cox, Chris wrote:

>I have been asked to change the senders address to list-mails rather
>than list-bounces.
>Did you try this sort of change already, and was it successful ?


I have never done this because I don't have PHBs asking (telling) me to
do nonsense.

You can change the list-bounces address to list-mails or anything else
you want. This involves either changing the list methods
getListAddress() and GetBouncesEmail() in Mailman/MailList.py and
maybe the function get_site_email() in Mailman/Utils.py or some other
way of accomplishing the same thing, and changing list aliases or
whatever your MTA uses to deliver to Mailman to deliver list-mails
mail to the wrapper with arguments 'bounces list'.

Since I've never done it, I don't know if the above is a complete list
or not.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 22 02:46:54 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:46:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] message bounce from good addresses
In-Reply-To: <3b82504d0910091036o732e6b5dtfc87b63379ae39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1922009102117465408436feee941@msapiro>

Rik Pierce wrote:
>
>We have received some recent bounces from your address. Your current *bounce
>score* is 1.0 out of a maximum of 5.0. Please double check that your
>subscribed address is correct and that there are no problems with delivery
>to this address. Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the
>problems are corrected soon.
>
>This appears with email addresses I know are good. Addresses on the Members
>list that do work. I do not know what to do.


You have three choices:

Assuming bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is set to yes for the list, you
can

1) wait until the user's score reaches threshold (which it may never do
depending on post frequency and bounce_info_stale_after) or

2) reset all bouncing users (see
<http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/reset_bounce.py>) and set threshold to
1 so the first subsequent bounce results in a disable.

The disable will send you a notice with the bounce message attached so
you can see why the users are bouncing. You may be able to get this
info from your MTA logs without doing the above if the bounces are
rejects of your attempted deliveries at your outgoing SMTP time.

or 3) temporarily change the notices-bounces alias to deliver to a
person so you can see the bounce messages.
	
Once you know why the recipient's server is bouncing the mail, you'll
have a better idea how to proceed.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 22 02:56:29 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:56:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error
In-Reply-To: <4AD1AEDA.9090309@pingnu.com>
Message-ID: <PC1922009102117562908596feee938@msapiro>

Carl Parsons wrote:
>
>We have been trying to get mailman working on a fedora 10 installation
>I can get it working on a internal server but my external server gives 
>the following error.
>I use webmin which places virtual servers in /home so I had to recompile 
>suexec to work in a different root
>I suspect this is the problem but do not understand suexec configuration 
>enough to fix the error


First a big caveat. Mailman's security model is not compatible with
suexec. You can make it work if you only host a single domain, but
beyond that, it's a pain or impossible. Maybe your recompilation will
help. I don't know.

>Internal Server Error
>
>The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was 
>unable to complete your request.
>
>Please contact the server administrator, root at localhost and inform them 
>of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that 
>may have caused the error.
>
>More information about this error may be available in the server error log.


Suexec errors are not logged in apache's error_log. They are logged in
a special suexec_log (or whatever name was configured in suexec).

Find the error.

Read the documentation at
<http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/suexec.html> (or whatever is
appropriate for your version) and good luck!

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 22 03:02:38 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:02:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with removing my messages
In-Reply-To: <144771.73282.qm@web58005.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <PC19220091021180238090641219eb0@msapiro>

Someone wrote:
>
>Before I knew that my name would be published on the web, I wrote about six messages on a genealogy list.? I need to have them removed due to safety concerns.? The list administrator has not been able to do this.? May I please ask you for your help?


Refer the list administrator to the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/2YA9>.

And, of course, your name is now also published in the public archives
of this list which is rearchived in so many places that I think it
would be impossible to completely remove your post from all of them.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 22 03:58:34 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:58:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] phantom bounces
In-Reply-To: <4AD38648.10908@mathcamp.org>
Message-ID: <PC1922009102118583408752496e94d@msapiro>

Michael Shulman wrote:
>
>I am having a strange problem.  One of my users is repeatedly being
>automatically unsubscribed from a mailing list, supposedly due to the
>receipt of too many bounces from his (working) email address.  The list
>is configured to notify me when bounces trigger a disabling or
>unsubscription, but I didn't receive any such notification.  I see in
>the "bounce" log a record of many received bounces from his address,
>although most of the time there was no email sent to the list at that
>time to produce a bounce.  Moreover, when I configured my mail software
>to forward me a copy of everything sent to listname-bounces, I didn't
>receive any bounces from his address.


Does the bounce log have the 'disabling due to bounce score' and
'deleted after exhausting notices' messages for this user?

It is possible for someone to craft bounce messages for a particular
address and send them to the list-bounces address. Check your MTA logs
for the 15 minute intervals prior to the 'current bounce score:' and
'already scored a bounce for date' to see where these bounce messages
come from.


>Is there a way to configure mailman to keep a copy of all the bounce
>messages it receives somewhere, so that I can inspect them?


Not with any kind of configuration option. You could set the
listname-bounces alias in the MTA (if the MTA uses aliases) to deliver
to an address or a mailbox instead of or in addition to piping to the
wrapper.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 22 04:16:57 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:16:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the port number used to when you need
	toapprove messages
In-Reply-To: <C9ED995E-1E86-4540-9A9D-AD3255596EE9@lincoln.dist57.org>
Message-ID: <PC192200910211916570312a289e731@msapiro>

Glenn Magle wrote:

>Can you tell me where to look to change the port # of the web link to  
>approve messages. We have some lists using port 8080 and they will not  
>work, all ports without this are fine.


When the lists were created, you had something like

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:8080/mailman/'

(the right way to specify a port), or

DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'example.com:8080'

(the wrong way to specify a port) in mm_cfg.py. Assumong mm_cfg.py is
now correct and doesn't specify ports, run

 bin/withlist -l -r fix_url <listname>

for each affected <listname>, or

 bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url

to do all lists. If the values for DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN,
DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST are correct, it won't hurt to
run fix_url on 'good' lists as it won't change anything.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 22 04:25:55 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:25:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Enabling the option "the should get the
	messagethat his mail has been approved" in Mailman
In-Reply-To: <5f638b360910150423r3f64fdd5q3f043f75332f1eec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC192200910211925550031a289e616@msapiro>

ankush grover wrote:

>I am using mailman 2.1.5 on RHEL 4 in production and 2.1.9-4 on Centos
>5 in Testing environment. I am trying to configure an option in
>mailman that is "the sender should get the message that his mail has
>been approved". The sender gets the mail whenever his mail gets
>rejected however no mail goes to the sender whenever his request/mail
>gets approved.
>
>Please let me know which option to configure in mailman so that I can
>have this feature enabled in the mailman. There is no issuing in
>upgrading the mailman version in-case the need is there.


There is no option to automatically notify the sender when her post is
approved. If the sender is a list member, she will presumably know her
post was approved when she receives it from the list.

If the sender is not a list member, you need to do something manually.
Typically, what I do on my lists is discard the post and forward the
message from the notice to the admin to the list with Cc: to the
sender. That way, the sender knows the post went to the list, and the
list members know it was a non-member post and know how to include the
original sender in a reply. This works for me because I 'approve' very
few non-member posts. YMMV.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 22 04:35:46 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:35:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Increase Mailman Performance
In-Reply-To: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207213C8CA@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
Message-ID: <PC192200910211935460109a289e65b@msapiro>

Hien HUYNH HUU wrote:

>       How to increase Mailman Performance ? Now I'm using mailman with qmail . I see that I takes about 50 mins to send all 10.000 messages . I think this is a slow speed because I've heard that qmail can handle 10 million emails per day.
>      In my qmail, I installed big_concurrency patch and I set remote concurrency to 400. The spawn of qmail is 100 instead of 23.
>      Please guide me how to increase to speed of mailman, I wish It can send 10.000 messages within 10 mins :) . Can It do that ?


This is the second time you posted this question. It was answered the
first time at
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-October/067312.html>
and
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-October/067320.html>.
If those answers, and Ralf's this time are insufficient, please
indicate at least that you read them.

That said, this is a qmail question, not a Mailman question. There are
some qmail tuning tips in the Mailman FAQ (see the second of the above
two links), but beyond that, you need to pursue this issue with qmail
support resources, not on this list.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 22 05:19:24 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:19:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regexp help
In-Reply-To: <366860B666E21241A76B26156DC56E0B010889D7@EXCHCL2.uleth.ca>
Message-ID: <PC1922009102120192407188e566e26@msapiro>

Savoy, Jim wrote:
>
>I just re-read Mark's comments, and he says:
>
>-------
>So assuming that what you want is to bypass the other
>header_filter_rules, you need to "add new item" before the current rule
>1 so the new rule becomes #1. Then the new rule 1 regexp should be
>
>  ^from:.*(\s|<)some\.person\.name at gmail\.com(\s|>|$)
>
>and the action Accept.
>-------
>
>and that is exactly what I want to do - bypass the header_filter_rules.


No, that is not what you want to do. What you want to do is bypass
other non-header_filter_rules holds (i.e. post from non-member) with a
header_filter_rule. You can't do that.

You can do it with accept_these_nonmembers, but not in your case,
because accept_these_nonmembers only works on the From: (or other
'sender' header, not on the To:.


>But I am
>afraid I don't quite understand this advice, Mark. How can I make this
>spam rule
>supercede other rules (like the one that says the list is moderated).


You can't.


>There
>is no "add new item" button when you haven't got any spam rules. That
>only
>comes up when after I create me first rule, which is not superceding the
>moderation
>rule.
>
>I should probably not say anything else until Mark logs in. He's
>probably looking at
>this huge chain and wanting to crack our skulls together like Moe.


It's not your thread - it's the two week backlog of just approved
posts. :)

What you need is a custom handler. See the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/l4A9> for how to install one. In your case,
the handler is very simple - just 9 lines.

import re
cre = re.compile('unique\.name', re.IGNORECASE)
def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):
    if mlist.internal_name <> 'abc-l':
        return
    if cre.search(msg.get('to', '')):
        msgdata['approved'] = 1
        # Used by the Emergency module
        msgdata['adminapproved'] = 1


Of course, you adjust the regexp 'unique\.name' and the list name
'abc-l' to suit. The handler needs to be in the pipeline before
Moderate.

If you make a list specific pipeline for just this list, you can leave
out the

    if mlist.internal_name <> 'abc-l':
        return

What this does is nothing if the list isn't abc-l. If it is abc-l and
if the contents of the To: header of the message matches the regexp in
re.compile() case insensitively, then the approved and adminapproved
flags will be set in the message metadata and the message won't be
subject to any holds.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From john at wa9als.com  Thu Oct 22 03:46:38 2009
From: john at wa9als.com (John Fleming)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:46:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit monthly password reminder?
Message-ID: <7A45B32308A94CC39B5790CCBEE5951F@WA9ALSGATEWAY>

Can I edit the monthly password reminder text?  (I did look through the 
docs, but I don't find that answer, although I'm sure it's been asked.)
Thanks - John
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From stephen at xemacs.org  Thu Oct 22 08:29:50 2009
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:29:50 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the "<listname>-bounces" address
In-Reply-To: <PC1922009102117342304686feee7ab@msapiro>
References: <F063B2E9D050AD4B9F031F7159BD8F1F03308E75@gbcwswiem006.ad.plc.cwintra.com>
	<PC1922009102117342304686feee7ab@msapiro>
Message-ID: <87my3kc55t.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Mark Sapiro writes:

 > >I have been asked to change the senders address to list-mails rather
 > >than list-bounces.

 > I have never done this because I don't have PHBs asking (telling) me to
 > do nonsense.

C'mon, Mark, you know it's not nonsense in organizations that use
Outlook.  The "on behalf of" thing is a plausible way to deal with
Sender.  (Since Outlook is a Microsoft product, I'm sure the deciding
factor in implementation was to be perverse and screw up anybody who's
sane.  Still, it's plausible, no?)

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 22 15:25:28 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:25:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit monthly password reminder?
In-Reply-To: <7A45B32308A94CC39B5790CCBEE5951F@WA9ALSGATEWAY>
Message-ID: <PC192200910220625280609464e107d@msapiro>

John Fleming wrote:
>
>Can I edit the monthly password reminder text?  (I did look through the 
>docs, but I don't find that answer, although I'm sure it's been asked.)


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/jYA9>. The template is
cronpass.txt.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 22 16:32:46 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:32:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the "<listname>-bounces" address
In-Reply-To: <87my3kc55t.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <PC192200910220732460109ac61e65b@msapiro>

Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

>Mark Sapiro writes:
>
> > >I have been asked to change the senders address to list-mails rather
> > >than list-bounces.
>
> > I have never done this because I don't have PHBs asking (telling) me to
> > do nonsense.
>
>C'mon, Mark, you know it's not nonsense in organizations that use
>Outlook.  The "on behalf of" thing is a plausible way to deal with
>Sender.  (Since Outlook is a Microsoft product, I'm sure the deciding
>factor in implementation was to be perverse and screw up anybody who's
>sane.  Still, it's plausible, no?)


OK. I guess I was not in the proper frame of mind when I wrote that. It
was a hectic day. Probably I was thinking more about Outlook than the
request when I wrote "nonsense".

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From fil at rezo.net  Fri Oct 23 00:21:00 2009
From: fil at rezo.net (Fil)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:21:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Postfix and Google Apps
In-Reply-To: <5577a8fb0910201137t1f7cdda1pb1e9a1e5dc02c7ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5577a8fb0910201137t1f7cdda1pb1e9a1e5dc02c7ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfc33ad70910221521g3d600791u94399b1e0455744b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kirth,

You can set up GApps to route incoming mail to your machine. e.g.
register domain.tld to GApps, lists.domain.tld to your mailman box,
and set up GApps to route inbound messages to lists.domain.tld,
rewriting the envelope on the way.

The route settings allow you to choose to route only adresses that
(do|don't) correspond to a local account on the GApps side. So you can
keep user at domain.tld on the google servers, and route all unknown-* to
your lists box.

That's the theory anyway. I haven't taken the time to actually set
things up, but I will probably soon. Keep us posted if you keep a log
of your experiments.

-- Fil

From kremels at kreme.com  Fri Oct 23 01:41:01 2009
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:41:01 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cc header restictions
Message-ID: <6E0CA44A-8B84-4D3F-AA82-1A8D58BF4058@kreme.com>

I've looked thought he webface and cannot find where the maximum  
number of Cc's allowed is set.

-- 
Looking into Granny's eyes was like looking into a mirror. What you  
saw looking back at you was yourself, and there was no hiding place. -- 
Maskerade


From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Fri Oct 23 01:56:01 2009
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:56:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cc header restictions
In-Reply-To: <6E0CA44A-8B84-4D3F-AA82-1A8D58BF4058@kreme.com>
References: <6E0CA44A-8B84-4D3F-AA82-1A8D58BF4058@kreme.com>
Message-ID: <20091022235601.GA1983@amyl.org.uk>

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 05:41:01PM -0600, LuKreme wrote:
> I've looked thought he webface and cannot find where the maximum  
> number of Cc's allowed is set.

max_num_recipients ? 

    mailman/admin/listname/privacy/recipient

-- 
"In matters of grave importance, style, not sincerity, is the vital
thing"
    -- The Importance of Being Earnest

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 23 02:39:47 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:39:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Donation
In-Reply-To: <c2b193aa0910070913x23a27a09nebdd066a8f8cd3ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC19220091022173947056247b19d61@msapiro>

Lutz Borkenhagen wrote:
>
>we are start-up company from germany and we want to donate to your project
>http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html
>We are operating the webproject www.finanzvergleich.de and we want to ask
>you if it is possible, that you announce us with a link on your page, if we
>donate?
>And how much we have to donate for it? (the link would help us, as we help
>you)
>
>Keep on the good work and we are looking forward for your answer!


We would be happy for any donation you care to make, but we don't
'sell' links on our project page in return for donations.

In order to be acknowledged as a donor on our project page, you must
have some significant use of Mailman within your organization or other
significant tie-in with the Mailman project.

If this is the case, please communicate the details to
mailman-cabal at python.org.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From knabe at 4j.lane.edu  Fri Oct 23 06:06:19 2009
From: knabe at 4j.lane.edu (Troy Knabe)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:06:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages Being Delayed
In-Reply-To: <0C0B09C4-F066-4BE3-9814-1C10EEF55F81@4j.lane.edu>
References: <PC1922009100108413605461c330e86@msapiro>
	<0C0B09C4-F066-4BE3-9814-1C10EEF55F81@4j.lane.edu>
Message-ID: <39BD39EB-6926-406D-BD60-3D6ACE9331AA@4j.lane.edu>

In case anyone ever runs into this, I finally figured it out.  Mail  
programs are considered expensive and by default sendmail has  
HoldExpensive set to true.  So I added this to my sendmail.mc file and  
re-compiled.  Messages are now delivered instantly.

define(`confCON_EXPENSIVE',false)

-Troy



On Oct 1, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Troy Knabe wrote:

> No, I tried that and it still places it in the queue.
>
> define(`confDELIVERY_MODE',`background')dnl
>
> -Troy
>
> On Oct 1, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>> Troy Knabe wrote:
>>>
>>> I use sendmail and mailman and sophos puremessage for unix.  When
>>> email is received to a user it is delivered essentially instantly.
>>> When an email is sent to a mailman list the message is ending up in
>>> the sendmail mailq and not being sent until the queue is re-
>>> processed.  Please direct me as to what log information would be
>>> helpful in troubleshooting this.
>>
>>
>> I think the cause of your problem was identified at
>> <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-August/062943.html 
>> >.
>>
>> -- 
>> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
>> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B.  
>> Dylan
>>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/knabe%404j.lane.edu
>
> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9


From hien.hh at sbsc.com.vn  Fri Oct 23 08:20:55 2009
From: hien.hh at sbsc.com.vn (Hien HUYNH HUU)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:20:55 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman with Multi Mail Server
Message-ID: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207221318F@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>

Dear all,
    Could Mailman be configured with multi mail server (at least 2 mail server) at the same time ? So that It can transfer huge numbers of emails at the same time . If yes, please let me know how to configure It.
    Please let me know about your ideas.
    Thank you  and best regards,
    Huu Hien


From kremels at kreme.com  Fri Oct 23 11:33:29 2009
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 03:33:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cc header restictions
In-Reply-To: <20091022235601.GA1983@amyl.org.uk>
References: <6E0CA44A-8B84-4D3F-AA82-1A8D58BF4058@kreme.com>
	<20091022235601.GA1983@amyl.org.uk>
Message-ID: <A6BD3001-C309-47F2-BC51-BB401FD24E21@kreme.com>

On Oct 22, 2009, at 17:56, Adam McGreggor <adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk>  
wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 05:41:01PM -0600, LuKreme wrote:
>> I've looked thought he webface and cannot find where the maximum
>> number of Cc's allowed is set.
>
> max_num_recipients ?
>
>    mailman/admin/listname/privacy/recipient

Thank you. I was searching for Cc and not finding it.



From roberto.gherardi at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 11:44:27 2009
From: roberto.gherardi at gmail.com (Roberto Gherardi de Candei)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:44:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem whit bounce
Message-ID: <584954160910230244u6a8873a3i5eaded03a646d33a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi ,

some user's of my mailman server, have been removed or disable in a way to
me unknow. At a stretch I write an extract of the bounce log. you are able
does understands me the problem?



Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member
s.mantegazza at inail.itfor list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: s.mantegazza at inail.it deleted after
exhausting notices
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member
a.nadalin at inail.itfor list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: a.nadalin at inail.it deleted after
exhausting notices
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member
f.calabrese at inail.itfor list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member
e.belloro at inail.itfor list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: e.belloro at inail.it deleted after
exhausting notices
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member
a.disabatini at inail.itfor list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: a.disabatini at inail.it deleted after
exhausting notices
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member g.ciolfi at inail.it for
list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: g.ciolfi at inail.it deleted after
exhausting notices
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member
e.marconi at inail.itfor list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: e.marconi at inail.it deleted after
exhausting notices
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member
g.maricchiolo at inail.it for list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: g.maricchiolo at inail.it deleted
after exhausting notices
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member d.bugli at inail.it for
list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: d.bugli at inail.it deleted after
exhausting notices
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member
s.levantesi at inail.itfor list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: s.levantesi at inail.it deleted after
exhausting notices
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member
r.saragoni at inail.itfor list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: r.saragoni at inail.it deleted after
exhausting notices
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member
t.malatesta at inail.itfor list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: t.malatesta at inail.it deleted after
exhausting notices
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member m.usai at inail.it for
list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: m.usai at inail.it deleted after
exhausting notices
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member i.lallo at inail.it for
list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: i.lallo at inail.it deleted after
exhausting notices
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member
p.duranti at inail.itfor list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: p.duranti at inail.it deleted after
exhausting notices
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member r.cozza at inail.it for
list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: r.cozza at inail.it deleted after
exhausting notices
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member
g.soranzo at inail.itfor list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: g.soranzo at inail.it deleted after
exhausting notices
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member
d.fortunato at inail.itfor list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: d.fortunato at inail.it deleted after
exhausting notices
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member
a.ladogana at inail.itfor list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: a.ladogana at inail.it deleted after
exhausting notices
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member
a.castellari at inail.itfor list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: a.castellari at inail.it deleted after
exhausting notices
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member
m.moscarelli at inail.itfor list: cral-lazio
Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: m.moscarelli at inail.it deleted after
exhausting notices



TAHNK'S


-- 
RGdC

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 23 17:25:12 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:25:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman with Multi Mail Server
In-Reply-To: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207221318F@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
Message-ID: <PC1922009102308251200621b2e388a@msapiro>

Hien HUYNH HUU wrote:

>    Could Mailman be configured with multi mail server (at least 2 mail server) at the same time ? So that It can transfer huge numbers of emails at the same time . If yes, please let me know how to configure It.


I assume you are talking about outgoing mail. This is not a
'configuration' option. It would require significant modification to
Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py to implement load sharing using
multiple outgoing MTAs.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 23 17:58:00 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:58:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem whit bounce
In-Reply-To: <584954160910230244u6a8873a3i5eaded03a646d33a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1922009102308580003752ae506b7@msapiro>

Roberto Gherardi de Candei wrote:
>
>some user's of my mailman server, have been removed or disable in a way to
>me unknow. At a stretch I write an extract of the bounce log. you are able
>does understands me the problem?
>
>
>
>Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member
>s.mantegazza at inail.itfor list: cral-lazio
>Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: s.mantegazza at inail.it deleted after
>exhausting notices
>Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) Notifying disabled member
>a.nadalin at inail.itfor list: cral-lazio
>Oct 23 09:00:01 2009 (10935) cral-lazio: a.nadalin at inail.it deleted after
>exhausting notices
[...]


I don't see a problem.

Your list is configured to process bounces automatically. See the
Bounce processing Section in the admin web interface.

The members that were removed had delivery disabled after list mail to
them was bounced on at least bounce_score_threshold days. A notice was
sent to the user (which probably also bounced) and then after
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval days, a second notice was
sent and so on until a total of bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings
notices had been sent. Then after
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval more days, the above was
logged and the users were removed from the list.

This is how it is supposed to work.

If you go back bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval *
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings days (21 days with default settings,
i.e. October 1 or 2) you will find the initial 'disabling due to
bounce score' messages for these users. If
bounce_notify_owner_on_disable was Yes at that time, the list owner
should have been sent a notice which contained the triggering bounce.
	
If the problem is that these are valid addresses and all the affected
addresses are in the inail.it domain, then the problem may be that
your MTA is improperly configured and can't deliver mail for that
domain.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From hien.hh at sbsc.com.vn  Fri Oct 23 18:15:18 2009
From: hien.hh at sbsc.com.vn (Hien HUYNH HUU)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:15:18 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman with Multi Mail Server
In-Reply-To: <4AE1D537.7040406@tuunq.com>
References: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207221318F@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>,
	<4AE1D537.7040406@tuunq.com>
Message-ID: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207217AE24@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>

Dear Zwanzig,
   Thank for your reply. I read the Performance section of FAQ and did exactly as they guide. I also tunning my mail server but the result is not as my expectation.
    I agree with you that this is no a mailman issue . But I think If mailman can use load balancing MTA server, Its performance will be increased , isn't It ? That's exactly I need now because I can't increase the bandwidth and MTA performance more.
   Regards,
   Huu Hien

________________________________________
From: Carl Zwanzig [cpz at tuunq.com]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:09 PM
To: Hien HUYNH HUU
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman with Multi Mail Server

Hien HUYNH HUU wrote:
> Dear all, Could Mailman be configured with multi mail server (at least 2
> mail server) at the same time ? So that It can transfer huge numbers of
> emails at the same time . If yes, please let me know how to configure It.

You really don't need to do that. Have you read the Performance section of
the FAQ? Some -very- large lists manage to do without this 'feature'.  After
that, it's an MTA and bandwidth issue, not a mailman issue.

z!


From hien.hh at sbsc.com.vn  Fri Oct 23 18:20:04 2009
From: hien.hh at sbsc.com.vn (Hien HUYNH HUU)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:20:04 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman with Multi Mail Server
In-Reply-To: <PC1922009102308251200621b2e388a@msapiro>
References: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207221318F@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>,
	<PC1922009102308251200621b2e388a@msapiro>
Message-ID: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207217AE25@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>

Dear Sapiro,
Yeah,
   That's exactly what I need , could you please tell me more what can I modify on SMTPDirect.py file ?
   Thank you very much for your reply.
    Best regards. 
   Huu Hien
________________________________________
From: Mark Sapiro [mark at msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:25 PM
To: Hien HUYNH HUU; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman with Multi Mail Server

Hien HUYNH HUU wrote:

>    Could Mailman be configured with multi mail server (at least 2 mail server) at the same time ? So that It can transfer huge numbers of emails at the same time . If yes, please let me know how to configure It.


I assume you are talking about outgoing mail. This is not a
'configuration' option. It would require significant modification to
Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py to implement load sharing using
multiple outgoing MTAs.

--
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From cpz at tuunq.com  Fri Oct 23 18:09:27 2009
From: cpz at tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:09:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman with Multi Mail Server
In-Reply-To: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207221318F@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
References: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207221318F@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
Message-ID: <4AE1D537.7040406@tuunq.com>

Hien HUYNH HUU wrote:
> Dear all, Could Mailman be configured with multi mail server (at least 2
> mail server) at the same time ? So that It can transfer huge numbers of
> emails at the same time . If yes, please let me know how to configure It.

You really don't need to do that. Have you read the Performance section of 
the FAQ? Some -very- large lists manage to do without this 'feature'.  After 
that, it's an MTA and bandwidth issue, not a mailman issue.

z!


From jt.koffenberger at delmarvagroup.com  Fri Oct 23 18:24:00 2009
From: jt.koffenberger at delmarvagroup.com (JT Koffenberger)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:24:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about modifying body content
Message-ID: <419591F2-3B4E-4F1F-97A2-73286D32E61E@delmarvagroup.com>

I have a very specific need for a client to be able to track specific  
users clicking on URLs.  I'd like to be able to modify a URL that's in  
the BODY of the message going through mailman to append the  
recipient's email address to said URL.

I know about all of the personalization stuff... and, while we have  
played with putting this stuff in the header and footer areas, it  
would be much cleaner to be able to look for a string tag in the body  
of the message and replace it with the recipient email.

Is this possible?  or, if it needs to be developed, can someone point  
me in the right direction where I can start to put some hooks in place?

Thanks!
JTK

JT Koffenberger

Founder and General Manager
Delmarva Group, LLC

phone: 302.559.8711
fax: 707.281.4628
mailto:jt.koffenberger at delmarvagroup.com
http://www.delmarvagroup.com

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Twitter: http://twitter.com/dmvg




From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 23 19:04:45 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:04:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman with Multi Mail Server
In-Reply-To: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207217AE25@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
Message-ID: <PC192200910231004450343b9cd5ec4@msapiro>

Hien HUYNH HUU wrote:

>   That's exactly what I need , could you please tell me more what can I modify on SMTPDirect.py file ?


If I were doing this, I would modify the Connection class constructor
to accept host and port arguments and use them in the __connect()
method instead of mm_cfg.SMTPHOST and mm_cfg.SMTPPORT. Then I would
modify the

    conn = Connection()
    try:
[...]
    finally:
        conn.quit()
        msgdata['recips'] = origrecips

code in process to instantiate multiple connections to multiple
servers. Maybe make mm_cfg.SMTPHOST and mm_cfg.SMTPPORT lists, and
instantiate one connection for each host/port pair. Then round-robbin
through the connections in the deliveryfunc() call in the while loop.

If the above is not clear, you have to learn Python until it becomes
clear.

Your effort would probably be better spent either learning how to tune
your existing MTA to be more performant or installing a more
performant MTA. In an earlier post, you mentioned delivering 10,000
messages in 10 minutes (a rate of 16.7 messages per second) as an
acceptable rate. On my server using Postfix essentially out-of-the-box
and full Mailman VERP, Mailman delivers on the order of 50 messages
per second to Postfix.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 23 19:13:32 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:13:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about modifying body content
In-Reply-To: <419591F2-3B4E-4F1F-97A2-73286D32E61E@delmarvagroup.com>
Message-ID: <PC1922009102310133205469748f902@msapiro>

JT Koffenberger wrote:

>I have a very specific need for a client to be able to track specific  
>users clicking on URLs.  I'd like to be able to modify a URL that's in  
>the BODY of the message going through mailman to append the  
>recipient's email address to said URL.
>
>I know about all of the personalization stuff... and, while we have  
>played with putting this stuff in the header and footer areas, it  
>would be much cleaner to be able to look for a string tag in the body  
>of the message and replace it with the recipient email.
>
>Is this possible?  or, if it needs to be developed, can someone point  
>me in the right direction where I can start to put some hooks in place?


You can do this with a custom handler. See the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/l4A9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From stephen at xemacs.org  Sat Oct 24 07:50:40 2009
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:50:40 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman with Multi Mail Server
In-Reply-To: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207217AE24@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
References: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207221318F@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
	<4AE1D537.7040406@tuunq.com>
	<B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207217AE24@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
Message-ID: <87hbtpbarz.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Hien HUYNH HUU writes:

 > I agree with you that this is no a mailman issue . But I think If
 > mailman can use load balancing MTA server, Its performance will be
 > increased , isn't It ? That's exactly I need now because I can't
 > increase the bandwidth and MTA performance more.

If you are bandwidth-limited, you're stuck.  You have to increase
bandwidth, or use it more efficiently.

If you are not bandwidth-limited, I find it hard to believe that you
*can't* improve the performance of the MTA to at least the level you
require.  It seems likely that whatever bottleneck is slowing your
system down would apply to the "load balancing MTA" just as it does to
your current one.  You need to figure out what is slowing down your
system.


From dhottinger at harrisonburg.k12.va.us  Mon Oct 26 19:02:18 2009
From: dhottinger at harrisonburg.k12.va.us (dhottinger at harrisonburg.k12.va.us)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:02:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error message on upgrade
Message-ID: <20091026140218.7rdigln6qok08440@mail.harrisonburg.k12.va.us>

I upgraded our version of mailman from 2.0.x to the newest release of  
2.1.12rc2 using ./configure --prefix=/var/mailman  
--with-cgi-gid=apache --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.4.  I started  
mailman using the mailmanctl script.  As soon as I did, I started  
getting the following error from the qrunner:
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ?
     from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ?
     from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO
ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO.

I did some googling and found quite some people with the same error,  
but no real fixes.  Does anyone have a fix for this?  Im running  
2.6.20-1.2944.fc6PAE #1 SMP Tue Apr 10 18:21:36 EDT 2007 i686 i686  
i386 GNU/Linux, on Fedora.

thanks,

ddh



-- 
Dwayne Hottinger
Network Administrator
Harrisonburg City Public Schools

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
-- Albert Einstein

"The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who, in times of moral
crisis, preserved their neutrality."
-- Dante


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 26 20:18:55 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:18:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error message on upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20091026140218.7rdigln6qok08440@mail.harrisonburg.k12.va.us>
Message-ID: <PC192200910261218550031dd3095d6@msapiro>

dhottinger at harrisonburg.k12.va.us wrote:

>I upgraded our version of mailman from 2.0.x to the newest release of  
>2.1.12rc2 using ./configure --prefix=/var/mailman  
>--with-cgi-gid=apache --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.4.  I started  
>mailman using the mailmanctl script.  As soon as I did, I started  
>getting the following error from the qrunner:
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ?
>     from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ?
>     from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO
>ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO.


The latest official release is 2.1.12, not 2.1.12rc2. There was at
least one significant bug fix between rc2 and the final.

As far as the above error is concerned, qrunners are no longer run by
cron in mailman 2.1.x. cron is running /var/mailman/cron/qrunner which
is from 2.0 and clearly won't work. You need to update Mailman's
crontab to run the 2.1 cron jobs only.

Actually, your 2.1.12rc1 Mailman is probably working fine. It's just
that 
/var/mailman/cron/qrunner should be removed and the entry that runs it
removed from Mailman's crontab.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dhottinger at harrisonburg.k12.va.us  Mon Oct 26 20:24:22 2009
From: dhottinger at harrisonburg.k12.va.us (dhottinger at harrisonburg.k12.va.us)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:24:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error message on upgrade
In-Reply-To: <PC192200910261218550031dd3095d6@msapiro>
References: <PC192200910261218550031dd3095d6@msapiro>
Message-ID: <20091026152422.uum9ycg54w0g0osw@mail.harrisonburg.k12.va.us>

Quoting Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>:

> dhottinger at harrisonburg.k12.va.us wrote:
>
>> I upgraded our version of mailman from 2.0.x to the newest release of
>> 2.1.12rc2 using ./configure --prefix=/var/mailman
>> --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.4.  I started
>> mailman using the mailmanctl script.  As soon as I did, I started
>> getting the following error from the qrunner:
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ?
>>     from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
>>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ?
>>     from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO
>> ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO.
>
>
> The latest official release is 2.1.12, not 2.1.12rc2. There was at
> least one significant bug fix between rc2 and the final.
>
> As far as the above error is concerned, qrunners are no longer run by
> cron in mailman 2.1.x. cron is running /var/mailman/cron/qrunner which
> is from 2.0 and clearly won't work. You need to update Mailman's
> crontab to run the 2.1 cron jobs only.
>
> Actually, your 2.1.12rc1 Mailman is probably working fine. It's just
> that
> /var/mailman/cron/qrunner should be removed and the entry that runs it
> removed from Mailman's crontab.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>

Mark,
Thanks for the reply.  I ran mailmanctl and was still getting the same  
error.  I'll try recompiling again with 2.1.12.  Does the cron  
directory not get replaced when running make install?



-- 
Dwayne Hottinger
Network Administrator
Harrisonburg City Public Schools

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
-- Albert Einstein

"The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who, in times of moral
crisis, preserved their neutrality."
-- Dante


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 26 20:28:36 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:28:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error message on upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20091026140218.7rdigln6qok08440@mail.harrisonburg.k12.va.us>
Message-ID: <PC1922009102612283606096b8970c5@msapiro>

dhottinger at harrisonburg.k12.va.us wrote:

>I upgraded our version of mailman from 2.0.x to the newest release of  
>2.1.12rc2 using ./configure --prefix=/var/mailman  
>--with-cgi-gid=apache --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.4.


I noted in another reply that 2.1.12rc2 is not the latest version.

Also, see the "Update - March 2009:" note at
http://wiki.list.org/x/pYA9 about a Mailman 2.1.12/Python 2.4
incompatibility issue that may affect you.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 26 20:51:58 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:51:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error message on upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20091026152422.uum9ycg54w0g0osw@mail.harrisonburg.k12.va.us>
Message-ID: <PC192200910261251580562fca0592c@msapiro>

dhottinger at harrisonburg.k12.va.us wrote:

>Thanks for the reply.  I ran mailmanctl and was still getting the same
>error.  I'll try recompiling again with 2.1.12.  Does the cron
>directory not get replaced when running make install?


Files with the same names get replaced and new files get added, but
old, no longer used files don't get removed.

Also Mailman's crontab does not get updated. You need to install a new
one based on cron/crontab.in.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dhottinger at harrisonburg.k12.va.us  Mon Oct 26 20:56:49 2009
From: dhottinger at harrisonburg.k12.va.us (dhottinger at harrisonburg.k12.va.us)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:56:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error message on upgrade
In-Reply-To: <PC192200910261251580562fca0592c@msapiro>
References: <PC192200910261251580562fca0592c@msapiro>
Message-ID: <20091026155649.sp0srfflkwwss408@mail.harrisonburg.k12.va.us>

Quoting Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>:

> dhottinger at harrisonburg.k12.va.us wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the reply.  I ran mailmanctl and was still getting the same
>> error.  I'll try recompiling again with 2.1.12.  Does the cron
>> directory not get replaced when running make install?
>
>
> Files with the same names get replaced and new files get added, but
> old, no longer used files don't get removed.
>
> Also Mailman's crontab does not get updated. You need to install a new
> one based on cron/crontab.in.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>

Can I just copy cron/crontab.in from the dist?  Also, I start  
mailmanctl and it starts:

20919 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/bin/python2.4 ./mailmanctl start
20942 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python2.4 /var/mailman/bin/qrunner  
--runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s
20943 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python2.4 /var/mailman/bin/qrunner  
--runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s
20944 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python2.4 /var/mailman/bin/qrunner  
--runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
20945 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python2.4 /var/mailman/bin/qrunner  
--runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
20946 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python2.4 /var/mailman/bin/qrunner  
--runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
20948 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python2.4 /var/mailman/bin/qrunner  
--runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
20951 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python2.4 /var/mailman/bin/qrunner  
--runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s
20952 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python2.4 /var/mailman/bin/qrunner  
--runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s

Then I start getting these errors from the mailman:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ?
     from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ?
     from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO
ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO

-- 
Dwayne Hottinger
Network Administrator
Harrisonburg City Public Schools

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
-- Albert Einstein

"The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who, in times of moral
crisis, preserved their neutrality."
-- Dante


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 26 21:10:17 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:10:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error message on upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20091026155649.sp0srfflkwwss408@mail.harrisonburg.k12.va.us>
Message-ID: <PC192200910261310170062d8a82a0f@msapiro>

dhottinger at harrisonburg.k12.va.us wrote:
>
>Can I just copy cron/crontab.in from the dist?


It depends where you put it. crontab.in in a user crontab so it needs
to go in /var/spool/cron/mailman. If that's where the existing crontab
is, that should be fine. If the existing crontab is somewhere like
/etc/cron.d/mailman, the easiest thing is to remove that one and
install crontab.in in /var/spool/cron/mailman. If you want to put it
in /etc/cron.d/mailman, you need to add the user name (mailman) in
between the times and the command on all command lines.

>Also, I start  
>mailmanctl and it starts:
>
>20919 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/bin/python2.4 ./mailmanctl start
>20942 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python2.4 /var/mailman/bin/qrunner  
>--runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s
>20943 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python2.4 /var/mailman/bin/qrunner  
>--runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s
>20944 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python2.4 /var/mailman/bin/qrunner  
>--runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
>20945 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python2.4 /var/mailman/bin/qrunner  
>--runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
>20946 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python2.4 /var/mailman/bin/qrunner  
>--runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
>20948 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python2.4 /var/mailman/bin/qrunner  
>--runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
>20951 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python2.4 /var/mailman/bin/qrunner  
>--runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s
>20952 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python2.4 /var/mailman/bin/qrunner  
>--runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s


Which is exactly correct.


>Then I start getting these errors from the mailman:
>
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ?
>     from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
>   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ?
>     from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO
>ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO


And this error doesn't come from Mailman 2.1.12 at all. It comes from
the 2.0.x /var/mailman/cron/qrunner which is still being run by cron,
and which no longer works because of other changes.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From fmouse-mailman at fmp.com  Tue Oct 27 17:34:02 2009
From: fmouse-mailman at fmp.com (Lindsay Haisley)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:34:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regenerating pipermail archives
Message-ID: <1256661242.6693.64.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I've done this before but it's been a while, and I don't remember the
answer - so maybe one of you kind folks will give me the answer and save
me the research.

When editing a Mailman pipermail archive to expunge one or more posts
prior to using the arch utility to regenerate all the archive files,
what's the master file that one needs to edit?  - the listname.mbox
file, the listname.txt file or the listname.txt.gz file?

Is there a HOWTO somewhere on editing pipermail archives?

-- 
Lindsay Haisley       | "Never expect the people who caused a problem
FMP Computer Services |  to solve it."  - Albert Einstein
512-259-1190          |        
http://www.fmp.com    |


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct 27 17:56:34 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:56:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regenerating pipermail archives
In-Reply-To: <1256661242.6693.64.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <PC192200910270956340570e46a149c@msapiro>

Lindsay Haisley wrote:
>
>When editing a Mailman pipermail archive to expunge one or more posts
>prior to using the arch utility to regenerate all the archive files,
>what's the master file that one needs to edit?  - the listname.mbox
>file, the listname.txt file or the listname.txt.gz file?


archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox


>Is there a HOWTO somewhere on editing pipermail archives?


http://wiki.list.org/x/2YA9

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From terri at zone12.com  Tue Oct 27 17:57:54 2009
From: terri at zone12.com (Terri Oda)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:57:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regenerating pipermail archives
In-Reply-To: <1256661242.6693.64.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1256661242.6693.64.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4AE72692.6040303@zone12.com>

Here's the howto:

  	 http://wiki.list.org/x/OAB0

But the short version is you want to edit listname.mbox/listname.mbox 
and then run bin/arch to regenerate the archives.  Make sure to shut 
down mailman for the few minutes while you do this if you don't want to 
risk missing messages.

Lindsay Haisley wrote:
> I've done this before but it's been a while, and I don't remember the
> answer - so maybe one of you kind folks will give me the answer and save
> me the research.
> 
> When editing a Mailman pipermail archive to expunge one or more posts
> prior to using the arch utility to regenerate all the archive files,
> what's the master file that one needs to edit?  - the listname.mbox
> file, the listname.txt file or the listname.txt.gz file?
> 
> Is there a HOWTO somewhere on editing pipermail archives?
> 

From cite+mailman-users at incertum.net  Thu Oct 29 06:23:28 2009
From: cite+mailman-users at incertum.net (Stefan =?utf-8?Q?F=C3=B6rster?=)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:23:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman with Multi Mail Server
In-Reply-To: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207221318F@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
References: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207221318F@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
Message-ID: <20091029052328.GG10701@mail.incertum.net>

* Hien HUYNH HUU <hien.hh at sbsc.com.vn>:
>  Could Mailman be configured with multi mail server (at least 2
>  mail server) at the same time ? So that It can transfer huge
>  numbers of emails at the same time . If yes, please let me know
>  how to configure It.

I'm pretty sure you are doing it wrong (configuring your MTA, I mean)
- or perhaps you are simply limited badnwith-wise. You might want to
show us you MTA/Mailman integration so that we can come up with some
helpful hints.

Other than that, I think you have three options:
1. Get a load balancer. Their prices are down to the low five digit
range nowadays.
2. Build yourself a load balancer (helpful Google keywords might be
"ldirector", "linux lvs" and "pacemaker", "openais", "heatbeat" for
availability).
3. If mail is leaving your MTA at a slow rate but the delivery from
Mailman to the MTA is fast, try running several queue runners and
specify an SMTPHOST wit a DNS record pointing to several addresses
(I'm not really sure about this one, perhaps Mark could clarify).


Cheers
Stefan
-- 
Stefan F?rster     http://www.incertum.net/     Public Key: 0xBBE2A9E9
Wer schl?ft, s?ndigt nicht.

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 29 17:54:45 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:54:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman with Multi Mail Server
In-Reply-To: <20091029052328.GG10701@mail.incertum.net>
References: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A7318207221318F@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
	<20091029052328.GG10701@mail.incertum.net>
Message-ID: <4AE9C8D5.6050206@msapiro.net>

Stefan F?rster wrote:

> 3. If mail is leaving your MTA at a slow rate but the delivery from
> Mailman to the MTA is fast, try running several queue runners and
> specify an SMTPHOST wit a DNS record pointing to several addresses
> (I'm not really sure about this one, perhaps Mark could clarify).


If I understand the OP's situation, this probably won't help. I think it
is a case of a single post to a large list. In this case, a single
OutgoingRunner will handle the message and the other runners will do
nothing.

The idea of multiple addresses in DNS for SMTPHOST is that multiple
connections to SMTPHOST *may* connect to different servers, but in the
short term, this probably doesn't work, because this depends on the
authoritative DNS returning the A records in different order, but once
we look up SMTPHOST, we may not ask again before TTL expires. Multiple
addresses for a name in DNS works for load balancing of a lot of
incoming connects from multiple sources. I'm not sure it works well or
at all for outgoing connects from a single source.

However, if the multiple A records does work in the short term, it may
help even in the large list scenario because SMTPDirect will close and
reopen the connection to SMTPHOST every SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION
chunks, so if you set SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION to a small
positive number, you may connect to a different IP for successive
connects to deliver the one message.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From robert.j.rust at uwrf.edu  Fri Oct 30 16:28:02 2009
From: robert.j.rust at uwrf.edu (Robert Rust)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:28:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad url specification & internal errors
Message-ID: <4AEB0602.3030502@uwrf.edu>

I'm trying to get mailman installed and working on Solaris 10 using the
mailman 2.0.12 package from blastwave and coolstack's apache.  The
problem I'm encountering is that after I create a list, when I try to go
to the admin page for it, I get an error in the page "Bad URL
Specification".

My listinfo page generates an internal server error which shows up in
the apache logs as follows:
(22)Invalid argument: exec of '/apps/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo' failed

The 'create' page actually shows up but doesn't work due to permission
issues (I don't think I'm inclined to remove it anyway since I don't
want lists created via the web).

How can I solve these?  I'm not finding much in the line of information
on what's wrong.

-Robert
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Robert J Rust
Application System Administrator
UWRF Division of Technology Services
(715) 425-4357
robert.j.rust at uwrf.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From SmithMm at tblc.org  Fri Oct 30 16:55:35 2009
From: SmithMm at tblc.org (Matt Smith)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:55:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emails not being sent
Message-ID: <69FDF3BECCCBAB41ABBCD23E23585294059A83FA@EXCHANGE.tblc.local>

Hello,

 

Where does one start troubleshooting this?  

 

I have several lists and nothing was changed but mailman simply does not
seem to deliver messages.  I have been told that it takes a long time to
deliver but my preliminary email test produced nothing in about 1 hour
so far with no error email.

 

Where does a Mailman greenhorn start to track this issue down?

 

Thanks,

Matt


From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Fri Oct 30 17:44:59 2009
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:44:59 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emails not being sent
In-Reply-To: <69FDF3BECCCBAB41ABBCD23E23585294059A83FA@EXCHANGE.tblc.local>
References: <69FDF3BECCCBAB41ABBCD23E23585294059A83FA@EXCHANGE.tblc.local>
Message-ID: <20091030164459.GG1983@amyl.org.uk>

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:55:35AM -0400, Matt Smith wrote:
> I have several lists and nothing was changed but mailman simply does not
> seem to deliver messages.  I have been told that it takes a long time to
> deliver but my preliminary email test produced nothing in about 1 hour
> so far with no error email.

the long time could suggest some sort of greylisting.

> Where does a Mailman greenhorn start to track this issue down?

"Start at the beginning, and when you get to the end: stop."

Firstly, check your mail-client: are you sending to the right address.
Does it get through to the Mailman server's MTA? (check your mail
sending logs)

What's happening at the MTA level? (check those mail logs)

Is it passed over to Mailman? (check the mailman logs: post, vette,
smtp, smtp-error) Is Mailman running?

Check MTA logs to see where the Mailman mail's being sent to (assuming
your list has members).

Some of those should throw light on it; for doing those things, I find
it easiest to fire up a couple of xterms, arranged to one side of my
desk, with something like
    tail -f /var/log/exim/{main,reject}log  # to check sending
and
    tail -f /var/log/exim/{main,reject}log | grep amyl && \
    tail -f /var/log/mailman/{post,vette,smtp,smtp-error} | grep amyl
on the Mailman server.

Another thing to look at is to see what's in the list archive, if
archiving's enabled.

Those should get you going, you may also want to look at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9 >

-- 
``Sir Humphrey: The ship of state, Bernard, is the only ship
  that leaks from the top. 

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 30 17:52:56 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:52:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emails not being sent
In-Reply-To: <69FDF3BECCCBAB41ABBCD23E23585294059A83FA@EXCHANGE.tblc.local>
Message-ID: <PC195200910300952560718c55bc106@msapiro>

Matt Smith wrote:
>
>I have several lists and nothing was changed but mailman simply does not
>seem to deliver messages.  I have been told that it takes a long time to
>deliver but my preliminary email test produced nothing in about 1 hour
>so far with no error email.
>
> 
>
>Where does a Mailman greenhorn start to track this issue down?


If you have access to the Mailman server, see the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9>.

If not, refer the server admins to that FAQ.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 30 18:32:22 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:32:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad url specification & internal errors
In-Reply-To: <4AEB0602.3030502@uwrf.edu>
Message-ID: <PC195200910301032220562f3202f08@msapiro>

Robert Rust wrote:

>I'm trying to get mailman installed and working on Solaris 10 using the
>mailman 2.0.12 package from blastwave and coolstack's apache.  The
>problem I'm encountering is that after I create a list, when I try to go
>to the admin page for it, I get an error in the page "Bad URL
>Specification".


What URL are you using for the admin page?

If "Bad URL Specification" comes from Mailman, it comes from going to
the create page with a URL like
http://www.example.com/mailman/create/junk (i.e. with something extra
after create). It can also come from the rmlist CGI if the url is just
http://www.example.com/mailman/rmlist/ without a list name. Those are
the only two CGI scripts in standard Mailman that issue that message.


>My listinfo page generates an internal server error which shows up in
>the apache logs as follows:
>(22)Invalid argument: exec of '/apps/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo' failed


That's not too helpful. What do you get if you do

sudo -u xxx /apps/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo

where xxx is the user that your web server invokes CGIs as.  - maybe
apache or www or ?

A quick google for "Invalid argument: exec of" seems to indicate an
apache problem.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From phanh at canby.k12.or.us  Fri Oct 30 22:46:48 2009
From: phanh at canby.k12.or.us (Hung Phan)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:46:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restore Mailman lists to default setting
Message-ID: <CAD17DDE-84F6-4B87-90CB-F22A25EA80AC@canby.k12.or.us>

Hello,

We have a few lists that have different settings than Mailman default  
settings. We believe that some of these settings are conflicting and  
create two issues that we are currently experiencing (subscribe email  
not sent out and sender not receive posted message)  We went through  
changing the settings on the lists but not making any difference. With  
newly created lists, they don't have the issue. Is there a way to  
restore a list setting to the default setting but keep the membership?

Thank you,



From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct 31 02:54:40 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:54:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restore Mailman lists to default setting
In-Reply-To: <CAD17DDE-84F6-4B87-90CB-F22A25EA80AC@canby.k12.or.us>
Message-ID: <PC1952009103018544007341a4a6746@msapiro>

Hung Phan wrote:
>
>We have a few lists that have different settings than Mailman default  
>settings. We believe that some of these settings are conflicting and  
>create two issues that we are currently experiencing (subscribe email  
>not sent out and sender not receive posted message)  We went through  
>changing the settings on the lists but not making any difference. With  
>newly created lists, they don't have the issue. Is there a way to  
>restore a list setting to the default setting but keep the membership?


You can use one of your newly created, working lists and do

  bin/config_list -o filename working_list

Then edit filename and remove the list specific settings like
real_name, owner, moderator, description, info and subject_prefix and
then using the edited file, do

  bin/config_list -i filename non-working_list

Or, you could do

  bin/config_list -o file1 working_list
  bin/config_list -o file2 non-working_list
  diff file1 file2

to see what's different.

However, if I understand correctly what "subscribe email not sent out"
means, that is controlled only by send_welcome_msg, and "sender not
receive posted message" is controlled by the individual user option
called "not metoo" on Membership Management... -> Membership List. The
default for this setting for new users is the "Do not send a copy of a
member's own post" checkbox under General Options ->
new_member_options, but that only affects the setting for new
subscribers. Changing this has no effect on existing members.

In order to turn off "not metoo" for all existing members (without
doing it via the web interface) you need a withlist script such as the
one at <http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/set_nodups.py>, but that script
sets "nodups" On for all members. To set "not metoo" Off for all
members you need to change the line

        mlist.setMemberOption(member, mm_cfg.DontReceiveDuplicates, 1)

to

        mlist.setMemberOption(member, mm_cfg.DontReceiveOwnPosts, 0)

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From hien.hh at sbsc.com.vn  Sat Oct 31 05:01:38 2009
From: hien.hh at sbsc.com.vn (Hien HUYNH HUU)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:01:38 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fake Email
Message-ID: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A73182072D3442A@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>

Dear all,
   I recognize that mailman can accept a fake sender . Example, I have a maillist with only an email account (xyz at abc.com) can send messages to all emails in the list. But , if someone can send a fake "From address" is xyz at abc.com, mailman will delivery messages to the list . This is a security problem. Can we prevent this from happening  ? 
  Best regards,
  Huu Hien

From stephen at xemacs.org  Sat Oct 31 06:28:45 2009
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:28:45 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Fake Email
In-Reply-To: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A73182072D3442A@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
References: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A73182072D3442A@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
Message-ID: <87ws2cgmia.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Hien HUYNH HUU writes:

 >    I recognize that mailman can accept a fake sender . Example, I
 >    have a maillist with only an email account (xyz at abc.com) can
 >    send messages to all emails in the list. But , if someone can
 >    send a fake "From address" is xyz at abc.com, mailman will delivery
 >    messages to the list . This is a security problem. Can we
 >    prevent this from happening ?

Mailman is too far "downstream" to do this very effectively.  It is
possible to set up Mailman so that all posts will be moderated except
those containing an "Approved: PASSWORD" header.  This header is then
stripped from the distributed version.  However, such passwords can be
leaked in various ways or sniffed from the mail in the transport
between the sender and Mailman.  It's not terribly secure.

A better way to do this would be to set up the MTA on Mailman's host
to only deliver to the list address (ie, Mailman) if the sender has
been authenticated (eg, with TLS).

From barry at python.org  Sat Oct 31 07:01:43 2009
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:01:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fake Email
In-Reply-To: <87ws2cgmia.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A73182072D3442A@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
	<87ws2cgmia.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <EFB291A6-E1B0-4374-B0C9-A82DCBC48B19@python.org>

On Oct 31, 2009, at 1:28 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

> A better way to do this would be to set up the MTA on Mailman's host
> to only deliver to the list address (ie, Mailman) if the sender has
> been authenticated (eg, with TLS).

Or to use digital signatures for sender verification.  This is not  
something that Mailman currently supports.

-Barry

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From tmz at pobox.com  Sat Oct 31 16:54:11 2009
From: tmz at pobox.com (Todd Zullinger)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:54:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fake Email
In-Reply-To: <EFB291A6-E1B0-4374-B0C9-A82DCBC48B19@python.org>
References: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A73182072D3442A@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>
	<87ws2cgmia.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<EFB291A6-E1B0-4374-B0C9-A82DCBC48B19@python.org>
Message-ID: <20091031155411.GC31109@inocybe.localdomain>

Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On Oct 31, 2009, at 1:28 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>
>>A better way to do this would be to set up the MTA on Mailman's host
>>to only deliver to the list address (ie, Mailman) if the sender has
>>been authenticated (eg, with TLS).
>
> Or to use digital signatures for sender verification.  This is not
> something that Mailman currently supports.

I don't know if the patches at http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/mailman-ssls/
would be helpful here or not.  It's an attempt to add some OpenPGP and
S/MIME capabilities to Mailman.

-- 
Todd        OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy.

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From carl.parsons at pingnu.com  Wed Oct 21 11:50:45 2009
From: carl.parsons at pingnu.com (Carl Parsons)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:50:45 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error
In-Reply-To: <20091021093054.GC1983@amyl.org.uk>
References: <4AD1AEDA.9090309@pingnu.com> <20091021093054.GC1983@amyl.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4ADED973.8010302@pingnu.com>

hi

I rebuilt suexec so docroot is

-bash-3.2# suexec -V
 -D AP_DOC_ROOT="/home"
 -D AP_GID_MIN=100
 -D AP_HTTPD_USER="apache"
 -D AP_LOG_EXEC="/var/log/httpd/suexec.log"
 -D AP_SAFE_PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin"
 -D AP_UID_MIN=500
 -D AP_USERDIR_SUFFIX="public_html"

created a directory /home/mailman to put the cgi-bin files copying from 
/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin to
/home/mailman/cgi-bin

#
#  httpd configuration settings for use with mailman.
#

#ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
<Directory /home/mailman/cgi-bin/>
    AllowOverride None
    Options ExecCGI
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>


Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
<Directory /var/lib/mailman/archives/public>
    Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks
    AllowOverride None
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>

# Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com with your server's
# name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page (recommended).

RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://www.mysite.com/mailman/listinfo

error log
[Wed Oct 21 10:39:42 2009] [error] [client 81.178.1.21] suexec policy 
violation: see suexec log for more details
[Wed Oct 21 10:39:42 2009] [error] [client 81.178.1.21] Premature end of 
script headers: listinfo


suexec.log
[2009-10-21 10:32:43]: uid: (505/mysite.com) gid: (505/mysite) cmd: listinfo
[2009-10-21 10:32:43]: target uid/gid (505/505) mismatch with directory 
(0/41) or program (0/41)

When http is at mysite.com it executes as user mysite.

Just realised I was looking at the wrong apache error file errors are in 
per site file mysite_error.log

I have tried to put the suexec back to Fedora 10 version but it still fails

Carl


PS error


  Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was 
unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, root at localhost and inform them 
of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that 
may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.



Adam McGreggor wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:09:30AM +0100, Carl Parsons wrote:
>   
>> Hi
>>
>> We have been trying to get mailman working on a fedora 10 installation
>> I can get it working on a internal server but my external server gives 
>> the following error.
>> I use webmin which places virtual servers in /home so I had to recompile 
>> suexec to work in a different root
>>     
>
> I'd not be using webmin, for a start.
>
>   
>> I suspect this is the problem but do not understand suexec configuration 
>> enough to fix the error
>>
>> Internal Server Error
>>
>> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was 
>> unable to complete your request.
>>
>> Please contact the server administrator, root at localhost and inform them 
>> of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that 
>> may have caused the error.
>>
>> More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
>>     
>
> So, what's in the Apache Error Log?
>
>   


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From carloswill at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 15:18:05 2009
From: carloswill at gmail.com (Carlos Williams)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:18:05 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable To Create Mailman Lists
Message-ID: <d80f793f0910210617j7b260edy47af8f5c42b38b42@mail.gmail.com>

I just installed Mailman 2.1.9-4 on my Linux mail server and
configured it according to the online guide straight from the Mailman
site. It appears to be working fine and I get hit the main page via
Apache and see the only pubic list available called 'Mailman'. Now I
selected the 'Admin Overview Page' and it takes me straight to the
'Admin' page with out any credentials for password or anything. Is
this normal Mailman behavior? Should anyone be able to simply hit my
Mailman public page and walk right into the 'Admin' page with put any
credentials?

Secondly - since I am in the 'Admin' page, I then attempt to select
the link that says "create a new mailing list" which takes me to a new
page for adding all the criteria for the new list I would like to
generate. At the very bottom, it has a blank field box for "List
creator's (authentication) password:" and I simply have no idea what
that is. If I leave it blank or type in the password for the only
Mailman list I have called "Mailman", I get an error when creating the
new list that says: "Error: You are not authorized to create new
mailing lists"

Can someone please tell me what I did wrong?

Thanks so much!

-Carlos

From James.Millsap at chicagobooth.edu  Wed Oct 21 20:42:53 2009
From: James.Millsap at chicagobooth.edu (Millsap, James )
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:42:53 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attempting to migrate mailman to a new server.
In-Reply-To: <PC192200910210813380765e0b168e3@msapiro>
References: <3ebf3e3f0910060933y730559ddt231722728b365cc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC192200910210813380765e0b168e3@msapiro>
Message-ID: <07A371D457B501478C1DB3C3DE8372D704C36E91@GSBHEX2V.gsb.uchicago.edu>

Rsynced over all the lists, qfiles, data etc.  Now I think I just have a
sendmail problem.  Can't really seem to find anything applicable to my
situation.  



Oct 21 12:00:02 bushlms01 sendmail[3836]: n9LH02nG003836:
from=<mailman@###################.###>, size=766, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<200910211700.n9LH01tL003835 at mailman@###################.###>,
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Oct 21 12:00:02 bushlms01 sendmail[3835]: n9LH01tL003835: to=mailman,
ctladdr=mailman (500/500), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=relay, pri=30464, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0,
stat=Sent (n9LH02nG003836 Message accepted for delivery)
Oct 21 12:00:03 bushlms01 sendmail[3837]: n9LH02nG003836:
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman",
ctladdr=<mailman@###################.###> (8/0), delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30986, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer
error 1


I have put a link in smrsh for mailman.  I get this in the bounce.


The e-mail system was unable to deliver the message, but did not report
a specific reason.  Check the address and try again.  If it still fails,
contact your system administrator.
            < ###################.### #5.0.0 X-Unix; 1>

From estepe at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 23 18:54:43 2009
From: estepe at hotmail.com (Emily IVA Samson Tepe)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:54:43 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP47446D2BE839BDB4E5BAF4DDBD0@phx.gbl>

Hi All!

I need to put an easy "unsubscribe" link at the bottom of the  
newsletter that goes to my mailing list.

Where should I link it to? An email address, or to a web page?

Thanks,
Siren E

From deb at reachfoundation.org  Sat Oct 24 01:54:10 2009
From: deb at reachfoundation.org (Deb Seidman)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:54:10 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to allow messages from non-members
 to go to a list without any moderation?
Message-ID: <C707A83B.3D0A7%deb@reachfoundation.org>

Hostgator uses mailman to provide mailing list features. So I used it to set
up several lists and started playing with them. The problem is that I really
am looking for the lists to work as a multiple destination alias (which
hostgator doesn?t appear to support) rather than a real list.

I just want a simple way to have certain email address automatically route
to several other emails at the same time. What I got instead is a situation
where I will send out an email to the list only to get back a notification
of the need to approve this email I just sent out. I have looked through a
ton of documentation and so far haven?t figured out how to turn this off.

So I have two situations. 1) I want a closed list that needs to be moderated
if a non-member posts to it ? I think I have figured out how to do this one)
and 2) I want an open list where anyone can send to it just as if its a
regular email - and I would control and approve any addition or deletions
from that list (I haven?t figured out how to do this yet).

If anyone can point me to an old posting about accomplishing the
automatically email routing of non-member email to a list without moderator
intervention, please email me.

Thanks

Deb

From languitar at semipol.de  Sun Oct 25 19:33:41 2009
From: languitar at semipol.de (Johannes Wienke)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:33:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't post with thunderbird
Message-ID: <4AE49A05.6040009@semipol.de>

Hi,

I got a strange problem with a mailman mailing list hosted at kde.org. 
I'm registered at that list and also got access to the admin interface. 
The problem is that if I post a message with thunderbird it gets into 
the archive but isn't delivered to the subscribers of the list, 
including myself. This is independent of the smtp server or account I 
use for that list. If I post a message with any other mail client (gmx 
web interface, kmail) everything works as expected.

Has anyone got an idea what could cause this problem? The admins of that 
list don't have a clue either.

Here is the mail source code as it is sent by thunderbird:

Message-ID: <xxxxxx at gmx.de>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:54:01 +0200
From: Johannes Wienke <xxxxxx at gmx.de>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: digiKam developers room - digiKam: Manage your photographs as a 
professional with the power of open source <digikam-devel at kde.org>
Subject: Magic Numbers
X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi,

<more email contents>

I already deactivated enigmail, switched to encoding us-ascii, removed 
format=flowed... Nothing helped.

Thanks for any help in advance,
Johannes

From joer at mrkgroup.com  Mon Oct 26 17:56:45 2009
From: joer at mrkgroup.com (Joe Ruffolo)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:56:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Quick question for a newbie
Message-ID: <KEELIAAEFNIDIJAKAIEOCEMJGFAA.joer@mrkgroup.com>

I want my list members to be able to respond back to the original poster. So
when they hit reply the actually reply back to the person who posted the
message. How do I do this? I've tried changing all the settings in the admin
interface but nothing seems to work. The reply to is always
blank-bounces at mylist.com. How do I make the reply to be the sender of the
email?

Thanks,

Joe 


From kimhuff at huffamily.com  Mon Oct 26 19:52:01 2009
From: kimhuff at huffamily.com (Kim Huff)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:52:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing Mailman
Message-ID: <F585CF64B67543EA8E08F842F5E53285@Zimmer.local>

Hello everyone,

 

My name is Kim Huff and I am new to the list.  I have been using Mailman for
some time now but I know that I have barely tapped its full potential.  I
have my own dedicated server and on there I have a few of my clients using
the Mailman service.  Most of them would like to offer a way for their
possibly subscribers the ability to sign-up on line.  We want to be very
careful about this because we want to make sure people that do not belong to
the organization can sign up.  So, we would want anyone that signs up to go
into a queue and wait to be approved.  If there person truly is a part of
the group, we will have people that have those records and they can approve
or deny a request.  The problem is. what URL does one use for to subscribe?
Is there a way for me to customize this page?  Most of my clients use Joomla
so I would need to make sure the subscription page can work within a Joomla
page.

 

I do appreciate any help you can provide.  Unfortunately, I am kind of in a
time crunch so I hope everyone gets this message quickly.

 

Kim


From ke4peo at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 00:52:11 2009
From: ke4peo at gmail.com (Chris Thompson)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:52:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on hostnames....
Message-ID: <00fe01ca5697$56d572c0$04805840$@com>

Hey everyone!  New user of mailman here and having a little trouble figuring
out how to change the hostname that Mailman pulls for the urls and other
stuff.  For example, in emails from the list it references the hostname in
the url like this:

 

http://server1.example.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/testlist2  (those are
not the real names of my server and domain.  Just edited for security
reasons.

 

I'd like to change it to where it only reads this:

 

http://example.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/testlist2

 

Any suggestions?  I've combed around and tried numerous things but nothing
works.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Chris


From Brian.Mingus at Colorado.EDU  Tue Oct 27 05:34:00 2009
From: Brian.Mingus at Colorado.EDU (Brian J Mingus)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:34:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-mail-based moderation
Message-ID: <9839a05c0910262134w212f98chef565ad98ed8d5a9@mail.gmail.com>

I have mailman set up such that I am aliased to the *-owner address and I
receive an e-mail for every message sent to my moderated list. The subject
of this e-mail is "Connectionists post from * requires approval." This
e-mail has two forwarded messages embedded in it, one from the poster, and
another that looks like this:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: *-request
To:
Date:
Subject: confirm e2a38902a4d73808769e0bd9e848a069010c3181
If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact,
Mailman will discard the held message.  Do this if the message is
spam.  If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header
with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting
to the list.  The Approved: header can also appear in the first line
of the body of the reply.


This almost allows me to moderate my list entirely from within Gmail. Gmail
Labs contains a "Canned responses" feature that allows me to easily insert
the Approved: password line into my reply. Unfortunately *-request isn't the
address that sends me this e-mail, so I must change the address in my reply.
The subject is also wrong so I must change that, rendering this solution
ineffective. Ideally Mailman would send me this e-mail from *-request
instead of *-owner, would continue to include the posters entire e-mail, and
would use the confirm <hash> subject line, including accepting Re: confirm
<hash> as a valid reply.

I am not the sysadmin of the mail server, but if there is some simple way to
configure mailman to behave in this way it would be highly desirable for me.
My list has 5,000 subscribers and the mail server is extremely slow.
Moderating from the mailman interface is tortuous for me, but having to jump
through so many hoops in Gmail is just as bad.

Many thanks :)

/Brian

From Brian.Mingus at Colorado.EDU  Tue Oct 27 05:54:12 2009
From: Brian.Mingus at Colorado.EDU (Brian J Mingus)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:54:12 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-mail-based moderation
In-Reply-To: <9839a05c0910262134w212f98chef565ad98ed8d5a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9839a05c0910262134w212f98chef565ad98ed8d5a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9839a05c0910262154j352a9a12ud5b7939bdb44b9ef@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Brian <Brian.Mingus at colorado.edu> wrote:

> I have mailman set up such that I am aliased to the *-owner address and I
> receive an e-mail for every message sent to my moderated list. The subject
> of this e-mail is "Connectionists post from * requires approval." This
> e-mail has two forwarded messages embedded in it, one from the poster, and
> another that looks like this:
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *-request
> To:
> Date:
> Subject: confirm e2a38902a4d73808769e0bd9e848a069010c3181
> If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact,
> Mailman will discard the held message.  Do this if the message is
> spam.  If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header
> with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting
> to the list.  The Approved: header can also appear in the first line
> of the body of the reply.
>
>
> This almost allows me to moderate my list entirely from within Gmail. Gmail
> Labs contains a "Canned responses" feature that allows me to easily insert
> the Approved: password line into my reply. Unfortunately *-request isn't the
> address that sends me this e-mail, so I must change the address in my reply.
> The subject is also wrong so I must change that, rendering this solution
> ineffective. Ideally Mailman would send me this e-mail from *-request
> instead of *-owner, would continue to include the posters entire e-mail, and
> would use the confirm <hash> subject line, including accepting Re: confirm
> <hash> as a valid reply.
>
> I am not the sysadmin of the mail server, but if there is some simple way
> to configure mailman to behave in this way it would be highly desirable for
> me. My list has 5,000 subscribers and the mail server is extremely slow.
> Moderating from the mailman interface is tortuous for me, but having to jump
> through so many hoops in Gmail is just as bad.
>
> Many thanks :)
>
> /Brian
>

I just found an e-mail sent to Mailman-Developers that never received a
reply. It is essentially identical to mine. How can I bring this feature to
life?

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2008-April/020088.html

From richtersherbs at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 18:47:43 2009
From: richtersherbs at gmail.com (Conrad Richter)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:47:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fake Email
Message-ID: <4AEC783F.5040207@gmail.com>

Barry Warsaw wrote:

> On Oct 31, 2009, at 1:28 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>
>> A better way to do this would be to set up the MTA on Mailman's host
>> to only deliver to the list address (ie, Mailman) if the sender has
>> been authenticated (eg, with TLS).
>
> Or to use digital signatures for sender verification.  This is not
> something that Mailman currently supports.
>
> -Barry
>   

Another way to deal with this is sender confirmation by email, where,
like subscriber confirmation by email, a message is sent with a
confirmation link. Mailman doesn't have this capability presently but it
seems to me that since it already has subscriber confirmation, it should
be possible to adapt that sender confirmation.

This sender confirmation by email feature is available in L-Soft's
LISTSERV, and it is an essential way to avoid fake email.

In a post a few years ago Barry said that this feature was going to be
in vers. 2.2, but that version never materialized. Will it be in vers. 3?


-- 
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From tibet at richters.org  Tue Oct 27 10:42:41 2009
From: tibet at richters.org (Conrad Richter)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:42:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is There a Hack to Add Author Confirmation of
	Messages?
Message-ID: <4AE6C091.1070809@richters.org>

I need to move a LISTSERV list to a new listserver. The main hurdle to
moving to Mailman is the fact that Mailman lacks the ability for authors
to confirm their own messages.  The principle is similar to the way
Mailman confirms new subscribers, with a web-based message confirmation
link emailed to the subscriber. Is there a hack somewhere for adding
this confirmation feature for messages?  The fact that Mailman already
has an email confirmation ability for subscriptions built-in suggests to
me that someone, somewhere has figured out a way to use that facility
for message confirmation.

For those who are interested, we implemented message confirmation on the
LISTSERV list as a security measure. We did not want to use moderation
because that tends to slow down the discussions and the dissemination of
urgent information. But at the same time we wanted a way to prevent
non-members from spoofing a list member and getting their offensive
postings out to the list. The list is an invitation only list, so once a
member is on the list, they are trusted enough to post freely to the list.


From uctlis0 at ucl.ac.uk  Tue Oct 27 12:32:08 2009
From: uctlis0 at ucl.ac.uk (Ian Peel)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:32:08 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please can you help me investigate an issue with
 two of our e mail lists.
Message-ID: <4AE6DA38.7060205@ucl.ac.uk>

Please can you help me investigate an issue with two of our e mail lists.
laws-pgs at ucl.ac.uk
laws-pgs-research at ucl.ac.uk

Mail sent to these is not being forwarded. The archive shows that these 
stopped working on October the 8th.
I have checked various admin setting pages however these have not 
revealed anything to me.

Please can you help?

Yours Faithfully
Ian Peel

-- 
Ian Peel
IT and Web Administrator
Faculty of Laws
Bentham House
Endsleigh Gardens
London
WC1H 0EG
Tel: 0207 7679 5578
Internal Tel: 25578


From tibet at richters.org  Tue Oct 27 17:47:40 2009
From: tibet at richters.org (Conrad Richter)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:47:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is There a Hack to Add Author Confirmation of
	Messages?
Message-ID: <4AE7242C.9050205@richters.org>

[Sorry if this post appears twice.  My original post sent yesterday
still does not seem to have made it to the list.]

I need to move a LISTSERV list to a new listserver. The main hurdle to
moving to Mailman is the fact that Mailman lacks the ability for authors
to confirm their own messages.  The principle is similar to the way
Mailman confirms new subscribers, with a web-based message confirmation
link emailed to the subscriber. Is there a hack somewhere for adding
this confirmation feature for messages?  The fact that Mailman already
has an email confirmation ability for subscriptions built-in suggests to
me that someone, somewhere has figured out a way to use that facility
for message confirmation.

For those who are interested, we implemented message confirmation on the
LISTSERV list as a security measure. We did not want to use moderation
because that tends to slow down the discussions and the dissemination of
urgent information. But at the same time we wanted a way to prevent
non-members from spoofing a list member and getting their offensive
postings out to the list. The list is an invitation only list, so once a
member is on the list, they are trusted enough to post freely to the list


From support at computerbroadcastnetwork.com  Tue Oct 27 18:40:53 2009
From: support at computerbroadcastnetwork.com (Support)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:40:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Quick question
Message-ID: <KEELIAAEFNIDIJAKAIEOKEAAGGAA.support@computerbroadcastnetwork.com>

I'm trying to add a active email link in the non digest footer but having
trouble doing so. Is this possible? 
Basically I manage around 15 lists and want people to be able to opt out of
the list by emailing me directly at
a certain email address. I can get the email address on there but its not
active. I want people to just be able to click 
it (my email address) and type remove and hit send. 

Thanks,

Joe 


From pedro.jacobetty at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 11:47:40 2009
From: pedro.jacobetty at gmail.com (Pedro Jacobetty)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:47:40 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Issue with plain text
Message-ID: <98279a20910280347p3d1900efrd210bce32d0cc065@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I'd like to thank you for your great software, and I'm sorry to bother you
with this. I was wondering if you could help me, I'm trying to use mailman
mailing list as a way to publish in a wordpress blog. I selected plain text
for all subscriptions (such as the blog address) and I thought it would be
able to convert a MIME email into plain text. Yet this does not happen: the
message reaches the blog as MIME unless it is sent in plain text in the
first place. Is there any way I can make mailman convert MIME emails into
plain text, so wordpress recognizes the content of the email, and not only
its subject, in order to post it?

Thanks in advance,
Pedro

From uctlis0 at ucl.ac.uk  Thu Oct 29 14:38:22 2009
From: uctlis0 at ucl.ac.uk (Ian Peel)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:38:22 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Our mailman queue laws-ugs@ucl.ac.uk has stopped
 working, can you help us?
Message-ID: <4AE99ACE.3040105@ucl.ac.uk>

Our mailman queue laws-ugs at ucl.ac.uk has stopped working, can you help us?

Many thanks
Ian

-- 
Ian Peel
IT and Web Administrator
Faculty of Laws
Bentham House
Endsleigh Gardens
London
WC1H 0EG
Tel: 0207 7679 5578
Internal Tel: 25578


From darren.liuhao at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 07:02:40 2009
From: darren.liuhao at gmail.com (liuhao)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:02:40 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maillist spam issue
Message-ID: <2677cd770910292302p2f917eadjdd66f80c765b1be6@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Mailman,

I am currently maintain the maillist for *ecfs.com.au*.
we are now facing a issue that, some members want to unsubscribe from the
mail list, and they just reply the mails we sent to them, meanwhile the
email they replied went to every members' mail account on the list.

How could we stop this?

Thank you very much.

Cheers!

-- 
Darren, LIU HAO

From friggle at usgs.gov  Fri Oct 30 19:22:33 2009
From: friggle at usgs.gov (Frederic E Riggle)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:22:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a security checklist available for Mailman
	ver 2?
Message-ID: <OF41CC88F9.BFB4335E-ON8525765F.0063D153-8525765F.0064F1BC@usgs.gov>


Hello All,

Has anyone developed a security checklist (equivalent to the type of
checklists found at http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/ncp/repository) for
Mailman ver 2?

If a security checklist is not available, can anyone suggest resources
(websites, etc.) where I can find information that I could include in a
checklist?
The configuration documentation would probably be a good place to start.

I would also be willing to help or assist anyone in developing a security
checklist.

I am going to be tasked with setting up a Mailman server - and I will have
to develop a System Security Plan (SSP) for it - a security checklist would
be an excellent start at developing a SSP.

Thank you.

Fred Riggle


From molly-burns at pacd.org  Sat Oct 31 05:08:13 2009
From: molly-burns at pacd.org (molly-burns at pacd.org)
Date: 30 Oct 2009 23:08:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users]
	=?utf-8?q?Mailman-Users_Digest=2C_Vol_68=2C_Issue?= =?utf-8?q?_53?=
Message-ID: <20091031040813.22921.qmail@188081-web1.secure-display.com>

I am currently out of the office. If you require immediate assistance, please contact the PACD office at (717) 238-7223.

Thank you,

Molly Burns



From tibet at richters.org  Sat Oct 31 09:32:58 2009
From: tibet at richters.org (Conrad Richter)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:32:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fake Email
In-Reply-To: <EFB291A6-E1B0-4374-B0C9-A82DCBC48B19@python.org>
References: <B77164F11BD5FB4D89898C1B497A73182072D3442A@mail-srv.sbsc.com.vn>	<87ws2cgmia.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<EFB291A6-E1B0-4374-B0C9-A82DCBC48B19@python.org>
Message-ID: <4AEBF63A.8010007@richters.org>

Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On Oct 31, 2009, at 1:28 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>
>> A better way to do this would be to set up the MTA on Mailman's host
>> to only deliver to the list address (ie, Mailman) if the sender has
>> been authenticated (eg, with TLS).
>
> Or to use digital signatures for sender verification.  This is not
> something that Mailman currently supports.
>
> -Barry
>   

I tried posting to the list several times now without success. I hope
this this one finally gets through.

Another way to deal with this is sender confirmation by email, where,
like subscriber confirmation by email, a message is sent with a
confirmation link. Mailman doesn't have this capability presently but it
seems to me that since it already has subscriber confirmation, it should
be possible to adapt that sender confirmation.

This sender confirmation by email feature is available in L-Soft's
LISTSERV, and it is an essential way to avoid fake email.

In a post a few years ago Barry said that this feature was going to be
in vers. 2.2, but that version never materialized. Will it be in vers. 3?

-- 
\/\/\/  Conrad Richter
/\/\/\  tibet at richters.org


From molly-burns at pacd.org  Sat Oct 31 12:05:52 2009
From: molly-burns at pacd.org (molly-burns at pacd.org)
Date: 31 Oct 2009 06:05:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users]
	=?utf-8?q?Mailman-Users_Digest=2C_Vol_68=2C_Issue?= =?utf-8?q?_54?=
Message-ID: <20091031110552.17777.qmail@188081-web1.secure-display.com>

I am currently out of the office. If you require immediate assistance, please contact the PACD office at (717) 238-7223.

Thank you,

Molly Burns



From tibet at richters.org  Sat Oct 31 18:35:40 2009
From: tibet at richters.org (Conrad Richter)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:35:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fake Email
Message-ID: <4AEC756C.7050506@richters.org>

Barry Warsaw wrote:

> On Oct 31, 2009, at 1:28 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>
>> A better way to do this would be to set up the MTA on Mailman's host
>> to only deliver to the list address (ie, Mailman) if the sender has
>> been authenticated (eg, with TLS).
>
> Or to use digital signatures for sender verification.  This is not
> something that Mailman currently supports.
>
> -Barry
>   

I tried posting to the list several times now without success. I hope
this this one finally gets through.

Another way to deal with this is sender confirmation by email, where,
like subscriber confirmation by email, a message is sent with a
confirmation link. Mailman doesn't have this capability presently but it
seems to me that since it already has subscriber confirmation, it should
be possible to adapt that sender confirmation.

This sender confirmation by email feature is available in L-Soft's
LISTSERV, and it is an essential way to avoid fake email.

In a post a few years ago Barry said that this feature was going to be
in vers. 2.2, but that version never materialized. Will it be in vers. 3?

-- 
\/\/\/  Conrad Richter
/\/\/\  tibet at richters.org