[Mailman-Users] Mailman - trouble creating a second list at an existing virtual host

[Dean Suhr]

First, please excuse me if my original post from yesterday posted several
times.  It appears Google sees my outgoing message as the same ID as the
returned list message and silently discards the incoming list message making
me thing it was never sent out ... and they have no config option to change
this behavior.  Arghhh!

Mark - thank you for your detailed response.  I must confess the obvious.  I
re-examined virtual-mailman and aliases files.  To my surprise the alias
entries were not in the virtual-mailman file - I could have sworn I checked
that carefully - but my lack of efficiency wit the command line must have
caught up with me. I manually created the entries in virtual-mailman and the
list is now functioning (delivering) properly.

Will I always have to manually post entries into virtual-mailman or is that
supposed to happen somewhere along the way?  Is there a terminal command
line I missed or could have run in addition to cause this to happen
automatically?

Thanks again - Dean

On 11/29/10 8:15 AM, "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> Dean Suhr wrote:
> 
>> I have a Mailman list working (for months) ... discuss at
>> lists.MLDfamily.org.  I've just created a new list ... discuss-adults at
>> lists.MLDfamily.org.  The web interface works fine for the new list and it
>> shows lists.MLDfamily.org as its host_name.
>> http://lists.mldfamily.org/mailman/admin/discuss-adults
>> 
>> Both lists show up when I run the following command:
>> /usr/share/mailman/bin/list_lists -V lists.MLDfamily.org
>> 
>> But deliveries to the Postfix mail server nets me this error on my local
>> server (i.e. the email is making it fine to my server):
>> Nov 28 11:44:11 darcee postfix/smtpd11450 <http://discussions.apple.com/> :
>> NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mail-pv0-f170.google.comhttp://74.125.83.170: 550
>> 5.1.1 <discuss-adults at lists.mldfamily.org>: Recipient address rejected: User
>> unknown in virtual alias table; from=3D<deansuhr at deansuhr.us>
>> to=3D<discuss-adults at lists.mldfamily.org> proto=3DESMTP
>> helo=3D<mail-pv0-f170.google.com>
>> 
>> Deliveries to the initial discuss list at this virtual domain continue to
>> work but discuss-adults give the virtual alias table error.
>> 
>> What do I need to do to get this new list into the virtual domain table?
> [...]
> 
>> FWIW, this is the process I used to create the list:
>> (did not need to create the virtual domain since it already existed)
>> Stopped the mail server using server admin
> 
> 
> It isn't necessary to stop the Postfix or Mailman
> 
> 
>> sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/rmlist -a discuss-adults (to remove all residual
>> old list stuff)
>> sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/newlist discuss-adults
> 
> 
> which creates the list in the DEFAULT_URL_HOST domain.
> 
> 
>> sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/list_lists new list showed up
>> sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/list_lists -V lists.MLDfamily.org  new list did
>> not show up
> 
> 
> This creates the list in the DEFAULT_URL_HOST domain
> 
> 
>> sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url discuss-adults -u
>> lists.MLDfamily.org
>> sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/list_lists -V lists.MLDfamily.org new list now
>> shows up at the proper virtual domain
> 
> 
> and fix_url "fixed" it , but didn't update virtual-mailman.
> 
> 
>> sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/genaliases
> 
> 
> but the above did, but the fix_url and genaliases could have been
> avoided by just specifying '-u lists.mldfamily.org' to newlist.
> 
> 
>> sudo postfix reload  failed since mail server was stopped
>> started mail server using server admin
> 
> 
> It is not necessary to stop/start or reload Postfix when you make table
> changes. This is only needed if you make configuration changes such as
> changing main.cf or master.cf.
> 
> 
>> To confirm the updates of the virtual alias table I did the following:
>> ls -l /var/mailman/data  aliases, aliases.db, virtual-mailman, &
>> virtual-mailman.db all were time stamped the last few minutes
>> Looking inside aliases and virtual-mailman conformed the proper entries.
> 
> 
> You show the aliases. The virtual-mailman entries should be different.
> E.g., entries like
> 
> discuss at lists.mldfamily.org             discuss
> discuss-admin at lists.mldfamily.org       discuss-admin
> etc., and
> 
> discuss-adults at lists.mldfamily.org             discuss-adults
> discuss-admin-adults at lists.mldfamily.org       discuss-admin-adults
> etc.
> 
> Are all the entries in virtual-mailman? if not, there may be case
> sensitivity issues if the values in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS are
> not all lower case.
> 
> If the entries for the discuss-adults list are in virtual-mailman,
> please post the output from
> 
> sudo postconf -n
> 
> 
>> Aliases and virtual-mailman both contained the following stanzas (in
>> addition to others):
>> 
>> ~~
>> # STANZA START: discuss
>> # CREATED: Sun Nov 28 11:39:09 2010
>> discuss:             "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman post discuss"
>> discuss-admin:       "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman admin discuss"
>> discuss-bounces:     "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman bounces discuss"
>> discuss-confirm:     "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman confirm discuss"
>> discuss-join:        "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman join discuss"
>> discuss-leave:       "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman leave discuss"
>> discuss-owner:       "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman owner discuss"
>> discuss-request:     "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman request discuss"
>> discuss-subscribe:   "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe discuss"
>> discuss-unsubscribe: "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe discuss"
>> # STANZA END: discuss
>> ~~
>> # STANZA START: discuss-adults
>> # CREATED: Sun Nov 28 11:39:10 2010
>> discuss-adults:             "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman post
>> discuss-adults"
>> discuss-adults-admin:       "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman admin
>> discuss-adults"
>> discuss-adults-bounces:     "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman bounces
>> discuss-adults"
>> discuss-adults-confirm:     "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman confirm
>> discuss-adults"
>> discuss-adults-join:        "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman join
>> discuss-adults"
>> discuss-adults-leave:       "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman leave
>> discuss-adults"
>> discuss-adults-owner:       "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman owner
>> discuss-adults"
>> discuss-adults-request:     "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman request
>> discuss-adults"
>> discuss-adults-subscribe:   "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe
>> discuss-adults"
>> discuss-adults-unsubscribe: "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe
>> discuss-adults"
>> # STANZA END: discuss-adults