From joab at inbox.com  Fri Oct  1 03:22:42 2010
From: joab at inbox.com (wilby)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:22:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.12 can't accept email from Thunerbird
 3.1.4 help!
Message-ID: <29853820.post@talk.nabble.com>


For some reason a very recent update to Thunderbird 3.1.4 email has suddenly
stopped the Mailman 2.1.12 account, that I administer, from accepting my
messages.

I can send to this Mailman account from non-Tbird email software.

Help needed badly.

Thanks, Wilby


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From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  1 04:02:22 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:02:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest options as email attachments
In-Reply-To: <252D260E27384A84AE6DF0CD44AB2872@userPC>
Message-ID: <PC195201009301902220328a117611e@MSAPIRO>

Danny hendrawan wrote:
>
>I'd like to have my members list who choose to receive a digest mail to 
>receive similar to the digest of this list i.e. with summary page and 
>attachment emails for each topic.
>
>I looked at 'digest options' but cannot find anything to enable this option. 
>Where can I set it up?


What you want is called a MIME format digest. This is not a list
option. it is a "by member" option. You can set the default for new
members by setting Digest options -> mime_is_default_digest to MIME,
but for existing members you either need to uncheck the member's
'plain' box on Membership Management... -> Membership List or the
member has to select MIME digests on her member options page.

Note that the plain/MIME setting only affects digests and is irrelevant
for non-digest members.

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From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  1 04:07:54 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:07:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.12 can't accept email from
	Thunerbird3.1.4 help!
In-Reply-To: <29853820.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520100930190754082822847d72@MSAPIRO>

wilby wrote:
>
>For some reason a very recent update to Thunderbird 3.1.4 email has suddenly
>stopped the Mailman 2.1.12 account, that I administer, from accepting my
>messages.


Exactly what happens when you send a post from T-bird. If it bounces or
if Mailman rejects it, what does the bounce/rejection message say?

If it is held for approval, what does the admindb interface say is the
reason?

If it just disappears, and you have access to the server's logs, what
does the MTA log and Mailman's vette log say, and if you don't have
access to those logs, ask the server admins or the hosting provider.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  1 06:47:31 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 21:47:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /etc/mailman/aliases.db
In-Reply-To: <DC897A477FBE034FA867FAE8BEEC39E1089DE142@MEMEXCH07V.corp.ds.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201009302147310734e86d65fd@MSAPIRO>

Troy Campbell wrote:

>For some reason when I moved the mailman configuration a few months ago
>I had to add /etc/mailman/aliases to the alias_maps e.g.,:
>
>alias_maps =    hash:/etc/aliases
>
>                hash:/etc/mailman/aliases
>
> 
>
>whereas on the old installation I didn't.  Since this is on a server
>that can fail over to another server that has the IMAP configuration
>which
>
>doesn't need /etc/mailman/aliases I would like to see if there is a
>workaround so that they both have the same postfix configuration.  Sorry
>
>if this is more of a postfix question but I didn't get an answer on
>their list yet. 


Postfix doesn't do IMAP, nor do other MTAs, so I'm not sure if the IMAP
reference is relevant.

Is the Mailman package on the other server the same as the one on this
server which is clearly a downstream package if aliases are in
/etc/mailman.


>Basically trying to get the /etc/postfix/main.cf files identical so I
>don't have to manage the differences and bounce postfix on failover.


If Mailman is installed the same way from the same package on both
servers, and there are no non-mailman differences in the Postfix
configuration, there should be no reason why they couldn't use the
same main.cf.

On the other hand if the two servers have different Mailman packages,
then their Postfix requirements could be different.

On the third hand, this could be simply that on the other server,
Mailman's aliases were copied to /etc/aliases so /etc/mailman/aliases
wasn't needed.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  1 07:04:18 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 22:04:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hold.py fails in hold_for_approval
In-Reply-To: <4CA40C11.6040106@whiteoaks.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201009302204180265e86d641b@MSAPIRO>

Morris Jones wrote:

>I recently discovered that all of my moderated posts have been failing, 
>most likely because my mailman version was older than my python version.
>
>This is the error:
>
>Sep 29 20:52:12 2010 (5588) Uncaught runner exception: unbound method 
>reason_notice() must be called with ModeratedMemberPost instance as 
>first argument (got nothing instead)
>Sep 29 20:52:12 2010 (5588) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop
>     filebase)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 169, in _onefile
>     'Dequeuing message destined for missing list: %s',
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in 
>_dispose
>     more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in 
>_dopipeline
>     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Moderate.py", line 67, in process
>     msgdata['sender'] = sender


Something is really wrong with this traceback. The above line actually
is line 67 in Mailman/Handlers/Moderate.py in all Mailman versions
since 2.1.9, but the actual lines that were executed here must have
been

                Hold.hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata,
                                       ModeratedMemberPost)

which are the lines following

                msgdata['sender'] = sender



>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 212, in 
>hold_for_approval
>     if usersubject:


Similarly here. The line that threw the exception must have been

    reason = Utils.wrap(exc.reason_notice())

which comes 10 lines later.


>TypeError: unbound method reason_notice() must be called with 
>ModeratedMemberPost instance as first argument (got nothing instead)
>
>Sep 29 20:52:12 2010 (5588) SHUNTING: 
>1285818731.142787+9ceab13e8549d5e6690de9b9880bef9c7c238b8d
>
>My python version is 2.6.2, and I've been very careful to be sure that 
>older pythons are not in the PATH.
>
>The first thing I did was update mailman to 2.1.14, which seemed to go 
>just fine, but I still see this error.  The timestamps of all the 
>executables are current, and were overwritten by the new versions.  The 
>"version' command reports 2.1.14.
>
>Actually ...
>
>I see now that the actual line of code changed after installing the new 
>version of mailman.  Where it used to be:
>
>     reason = Utils.wrap(exc.reason_notice())
>
>it's now ...
>
>     if usersubject:
>
>So it would appear that I need to get python to recompile all the pyc 
>files, is that correct?  How do I do that?  I tried touching the .py 
>files to make them newer ...



No. It appears that you didn't stop Mailman before installing 2.1.14
and then start it after. Try restarting Mailman now and see if that
helps


-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From joab at inbox.com  Fri Oct  1 04:22:54 2010
From: joab at inbox.com (wilby)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:22:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.12 can't accept email from
 Thunerbird3.1.4 help!
In-Reply-To: <PC19520100930190754082822847d72@MSAPIRO>
References: <29853820.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<PC19520100930190754082822847d72@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <29854205.post@talk.nabble.com>




Mark Sapiro-3 wrote:
> 
> wilby wrote:
>>
>>For some reason a very recent update to Thunderbird 3.1.4 email has
suddenly
>>stopped the Mailman 2.1.12 account, that I administer, from accepting my
>>messages.
> 
> 
> Exactly what happens when you send a post from T-bird. If it bounces or
> if Mailman rejects it, what does the bounce/rejection message say?
> 
> If it is held for approval, what does the admindb interface say is the
> reason?
> 
> If it just disappears, and you have access to the server's logs, what
> does the MTA log and Mailman's vette log say, and if you don't have
> access to those logs, ask the server admins or the hosting provider.
> 
> -- 
> Mark:
> 
> The message is sent back to me (and only to me). 
> It starts with the rejection message under "privacy Options", "rejection
> to moderated members".
> 
> Then it presents me with a .eml file that contains me original message to
> MM.
> 
> At the end is an attachment of my original email.
> 
> The text in the open .eml file clearly shows a blank space just before the
> approve: pw line.
> 
>  approve: pw    rather than
> approve: pw
> 
> The original message does not get in the archive.
> I tried a message with the approve: pw on the second line, leaving the
> first line blank. This did ge in the archive, but didn't get sent.
> 
> Does this help?
> 
> Thanks
> Wilby
> 
> 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 
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From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  1 08:33:15 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 23:33:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.12 can't accept email
	fromThunerbird3.1.4 help!
In-Reply-To: <29854205.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952010093023331502182e6ee6a9@MSAPIRO>

wilby wrote:
>> 
>> The message is sent back to me (and only to me). 
>> It starts with the rejection message under "privacy Options", "rejection
>> to moderated members".
>> 
>> Then it presents me with a .eml file that contains me original message to
>> MM.
>> 
>> At the end is an attachment of my original email.
>> 
>> The text in the open .eml file clearly shows a blank space just before the
>> approve: pw line.
>> 
>>  approve: pw    rather than
>> approve: pw
>> 
>> The original message does not get in the archive.


So you are relying on pre-approving the post, and since it is not
properly pre-approved (T-Bird's fault somehow) it is rejected,
presumably per your list settings.


>> I tried a message with the approve: pw on the second line, leaving the
>> first line blank. This did ge in the archive, but didn't get sent.


If it got to the archive, it reached the list and should have been
sent. The only reason it wouldn't have been sent is an error in
outgoing message processing or OutgoingRunner not running. If other
mail is being sent from Mailman, the problem is not that
OutgoingRunner is not running, so it would have to be an exception in
outgoing message processing which can only be diagnosed with
information from Mailman's error log.

One thing you can do is set T-Bird to allow you to add the Approved: pw
as an actual header. To do this, in T-Bird go to Tools -> Options ->
Advanced -> Config Editor and set mail.compose.other.header to the
string "Approved" (or "Approve" if you prefer) without the quotes.
Then, when composing a message, the button that sets To:, Cc:, Bcc:,
etc for an address will have an Approved: choice and you can chose
Approved and enter the pw on that line.

Beyond that, this is a T-Bird issue, and I don't know how to fix it
except that I use T-Bird 3.1.4 sometimes, and I have used most prior
versions of T-Bird, and I can't recall ever seeing T-Bird "space
stuff" the first line of a message. Do you have any plug-ins that
might be doing this?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From troy.campbell at fedex.com  Fri Oct  1 16:57:20 2010
From: troy.campbell at fedex.com (Troy Campbell)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 09:57:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 80, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.24.1285927206.11023.mailman-users@python.org>
References: <mailman.24.1285927206.11023.mailman-users@python.org>
Message-ID: <DC897A477FBE034FA867FAE8BEEC39E1089DE4E6@MEMEXCH07V.corp.ds.fedex.com>

Thanks again Mark.  I've decided to manage it with separate postfix
config files (one for when there is no service group on a server, one
for when there is just the Mailman service group, one for when there is
just the IMAP service group and one when there is both) and just restart
postfix and monitor it as part of VCS as it doesn't make sense to merge
config files for other reasons anyway.

Regards,
Troy


-----Original Message-----
Troy Campbell wrote:

>For some reason when I moved the mailman configuration a few months ago

>I had to add /etc/mailman/aliases to the alias_maps e.g.,:
>
>alias_maps =    hash:/etc/aliases
>
>                hash:/etc/mailman/aliases
>
> 
>
>whereas on the old installation I didn't.  Since this is on a server 
>that can fail over to another server that has the IMAP configuration 
>which
>
>doesn't need /etc/mailman/aliases I would like to see if there is a 
>workaround so that they both have the same postfix configuration.  
>Sorry
>
>if this is more of a postfix question but I didn't get an answer on 
>their list yet.


Postfix doesn't do IMAP, nor do other MTAs, so I'm not sure if the IMAP
reference is relevant.

Is the Mailman package on the other server the same as the one on this
server which is clearly a downstream package if aliases are in
/etc/mailman.


>Basically trying to get the /etc/postfix/main.cf files identical so I 
>don't have to manage the differences and bounce postfix on failover.


If Mailman is installed the same way from the same package on both
servers, and there are no non-mailman differences in the Postfix
configuration, there should be no reason why they couldn't use the same
main.cf.

On the other hand if the two servers have different Mailman packages,
then their Postfix requirements could be different.

On the third hand, this could be simply that on the other server,
Mailman's aliases were copied to /etc/aliases so /etc/mailman/aliases
wasn't needed.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From joab at inbox.com  Fri Oct  1 21:27:22 2010
From: joab at inbox.com (wilby)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 12:27:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.12 can't accept email
 fromThunerbird3.1.4 help!
In-Reply-To: <PC1952010093023331502182e6ee6a9@MSAPIRO>
References: <29853820.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<PC19520100930190754082822847d72@MSAPIRO>
	<29854205.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<PC1952010093023331502182e6ee6a9@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <29859305.post@talk.nabble.com>




Mark Sapiro-3 wrote:
> 
> wilby wrote:
>>> 
>>> The message is sent back to me (and only to me). 
>>> It starts with the rejection message under "privacy Options", "rejection
>>> to moderated members".
>>> 
>>> Then it presents me with a .eml file that contains me original message
>>> to
>>> MM.
>>> 
>>> At the end is an attachment of my original email.
>>> 
>>> The text in the open .eml file clearly shows a blank space just before
>>> the
>>> approve: pw line.
>>> 
>>>  approve: pw    rather than
>>> approve: pw
>>> 
>>> The original message does not get in the archive.
> 
> 
> So you are relying on pre-approving the post, and since it is not
> properly pre-approved (T-Bird's fault somehow) it is rejected,
> presumably per your list settings.
> 
> 
>>> I tried a message with the approve: pw on the second line, leaving the
>>> first line blank. This did ge in the archive, but didn't get sent.
> 
> 
> If it got to the archive, it reached the list and should have been
> sent. The only reason it wouldn't have been sent is an error in
> outgoing message processing or OutgoingRunner not running. If other
> mail is being sent from Mailman, the problem is not that
> OutgoingRunner is not running, so it would have to be an exception in
> outgoing message processing which can only be diagnosed with
> information from Mailman's error log.
> 
> One thing you can do is set T-Bird to allow you to add the Approved: pw
> as an actual header. To do this, in T-Bird go to Tools -> Options ->
> Advanced -> Config Editor and set mail.compose.other.header to the
> string "Approved" (or "Approve" if you prefer) without the quotes.
> Then, when composing a message, the button that sets To:, Cc:, Bcc:,
> etc for an address will have an Approved: choice and you can chose
> Approved and enter the pw on that line.
> 
> Beyond that, this is a T-Bird issue, and I don't know how to fix it
> except that I use T-Bird 3.1.4 sometimes, and I have used most prior
> versions of T-Bird, and I can't recall ever seeing T-Bird "space
> stuff" the first line of a message. Do you have any plug-ins that
> might be doing this?
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe:
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> 
> 

Hi Mark:

Thank you for this information, I'd probably never would have figured this
out myself.
Your suggestion to add an "Approved" option in the header is exactly the
solution to my problem. It worked the very first time I tried it. If it was
later in the day I'd probably be sipping a cool beer.

Peace,

Wilby

PS: A T-Bird forum user told me that the next TB version, 3.1.5, has fixed
this leading blank space issue. Now I don't really care if they have or not.

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From guillaume.chartrand at collanaud.qc.ca  Fri Oct  1 17:23:54 2010
From: guillaume.chartrand at collanaud.qc.ca (Guillaume Chartrand)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 15:23:54 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] after new installation 403 Forbiden Access
Message-ID: <23A9B7CAD2EEE64F8FC5BF1E8AB5345F09594C@csr-exch.Intranet.Collanaud.Qc.Ca>

I know it's been posted many time but all the answer wasn't apply to me. So I will ask it another time
I run Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 AS
I installed Python 2.6.6
I installed Apache 2.2.16
I download and try to install mailman 2.1.14

All the installation steps working fine, but when I try to create the first list with the web interface I've got the 403 Forbidden page
Whenever I try to reach
http://mywebserver.com/mailman/create
                                                                         admin
                                                                        listinfo

I've always get the 403 error.
Here is the output of the command ls -la /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
drwxrwsr-x   2 root mailman  4096 Sep 30 14:57 .
drwxrwsr-x  20 root mailman  4096 Sep 30 14:57 ..
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root mailman 15658 Sep 30 14:57 admin
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root mailman 15662 Sep 30 14:57 admindb
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root mailman 15662 Sep 30 14:57 confirm
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root mailman 15662 Sep 30 14:57 create
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root mailman 15666 Sep 30 14:57 edithtml
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root mailman 15666 Sep 30 14:57 listinfo
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root mailman 15662 Sep 30 14:57 options
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root mailman 15662 Sep 30 14:57 private
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root mailman 15662 Sep 30 14:57 rmlist
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root mailman 15662 Sep 30 14:57 roster
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root mailman 15666 Sep 30 14:57 subscribe

Here's some of the httpd.conf line

Alias /pipermail/   /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"

<Directory "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/">
        AddDefaultCharset Off
        Options Indexes FollowSymlinks MultiViews
        AllowOverride None
        Order allow,deny
        Allow from all
</Directory>

The apache runs with the user nobody
And this is an other command to see if right seems ok

ls -la /usr/local/mailman/lists/
total 12
drwxrwsr-x   3 root mailman 4096 Oct  1 08:39 .
drwxrwsr-x  20 root mailman 4096 Sep 30 14:57 ..
drwxrwsr-x   2 root mailman 4096 Oct  1 09:00 mailman

I've modified the mm_cfg.py also and add these line
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listes2.collanaud.qc.ca'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'listes2.collanaud.qc.ca'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

So what i'm doing wrong.
Thanks for helping me resolve that
Guillaume

From tyler at beloit.edu  Fri Oct  1 17:06:42 2010
From: tyler at beloit.edu (Tim Tyler)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 10:06:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't delete users in a list?
Message-ID: <af5942eb819ffb57f449f00bd2297a7b@mail.gmail.com>

Mailman experts,

 We are running Mailman 2.1.9 on a Centos 5.5 system.   One of the list
managers must have done some copy and pasting of addresses into their list
as now she can?t delete certain entries.  When I look at the error logs, I
see a potential hidden character at the end of the address.  I can?t
unsubscribe or mass remove the user and I can?t remove them using the
command line.  Is there a trick for trying to delete a potentially corrupt
address from a list short of starting the list over from scratch?



Tim Tyler

Network Engineer

Beloit College

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  2 18:15:30 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 09:15:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] after new installation 403 Forbiden Access
In-Reply-To: <23A9B7CAD2EEE64F8FC5BF1E8AB5345F09594C@csr-exch.Intranet.Collanaud.Qc.Ca>
Message-ID: <PC1952010100209153009376e3a6987@MSAPIRO>

Guillaume Chartrand wrote:
>
>All the installation steps working fine, but when I try to create the first list with the web interface I've got the 403 Forbidden page
>Whenever I try to reach
>http://mywebserver.com/mailman/create
>                                                                         admin
>                                                                        listinfo
>
>I've always get the 403 error.


This has nothing to do with Mailman per se. Your web server is not
allowing you to access the Mailman CGIs.


>Alias /pipermail/   /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
>ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"
>
><Directory "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/">
>        AddDefaultCharset Off
>        Options Indexes FollowSymlinks MultiViews
>        AllowOverride None
>        Order allow,deny
>        Allow from all
></Directory>

You apparently have some allow/deny directives that don't allow access
and which apply to /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/. This is most likely
the Apache default that denies access to the root directory and thus
requires subordinate directories to be explicitly allowed.

Try adding

<Directory "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/">
        Order allow,deny
        Allow from all
</Directory>


-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  2 18:24:49 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 09:24:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't delete users in a list?
In-Reply-To: <af5942eb819ffb57f449f00bd2297a7b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952010100209244908906e3a696b@MSAPIRO>

Tim Tyler wrote:
>
> Is there a trick for trying to delete a potentially corrupt
>address from a list short of starting the list over from scratch?


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/UIA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From b19141 at anl.gov  Mon Oct  4 21:02:28 2010
From: b19141 at anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Mon,  4 Oct 2010 14:02:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.14 Multiple Owner(s) Patch - Problem
In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net>'
	dated: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:45:00 -0700
Message-ID: <20101004190228.DFA2B4D3F8@britaine.cis.anl.gov>

I wrote last week about a problem I was having with Mailman 2.1.14
and Mark Sapiro's multi-owner patch.  I am not going to include my mail
and Mark's response here; I will summarize.

I created some test lists, and each had only one owner.   Mark could
not reproduce the error.

I ran some more tests, and I discovered that the procedure I was using

     /usr/sbin/newlist  ...
     config_list -i ...

was in error because the list template file I was using in the

     config_list -i ...

had not been changed to include the second owner address, so the
second address created by the

     /usr/sbin/newlist ...

command was indeed in the list configuration until the subsequent

     config_list -i ...

reset the list owner to a single address.  I created a new test list
with an updated template file, and the new list does indeed have two
owners.

Since the patch code does not check the second and subsequent owner
e-mail addresses for syntax, the patch is not ready to be put into
the production code, I assume.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
Building 240, Room 5.B.8             Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov
Argonne, IL   60439-4828             IBMMAIL:  I1004994


From rosenbaumlm at ornl.gov  Mon Oct  4 20:51:30 2010
From: rosenbaumlm at ornl.gov (Rosenbaum, Larry M.)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 14:51:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved message is discarded
Message-ID: <B832297B56798E4FB5CCE181942E7EC673C373AF2D@EXCHMBA.ornl.gov>

We are running Mailman v2.1.13 on Solaris 9 Sparc.  We have a list with about 13,000 members that we currently have "emergency moderation" turned on because of previous problems with reply storms.

Today somebody sent a message to the list, which (of course) was held for moderation.  The list owner approved it, but then it disappeared.  Here is what was in the "vette" log:

Oct 04 10:35:12 2010 (21271) XXXXX_Cohorts post from michael.xxxx at xxxx.edu held, message-id=<2034674BF9D4714BAE35B22BF073EEF402E70996 at MS-XXXX.xxxx.edu>: Post to moderated list
Oct 04 10:38:26 2010 (5774) held message approved, message-id: <2034674BF9D4714BAE35B22BF073EEF402E70996 at MS-XXXX.xxxx.edu>
Oct 04 10:38:28 2010 (21271) Message discarded, msgid: 2034674BF9D4714BAE35B22BF073EEF402E70996 at MS-XXXX.xxxx.edu

What caused the message to be discarded after it was approved?

Thanks,

Larry M. Rosenbaum
Oak Ridge National Laboratory


From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Mon Oct  4 22:06:55 2010
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:06:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved message is discarded
In-Reply-To: <B832297B56798E4FB5CCE181942E7EC673C373AF2D@EXCHMBA.ornl.gov>
References: <B832297B56798E4FB5CCE181942E7EC673C373AF2D@EXCHMBA.ornl.gov>
Message-ID: <20101004200655.GD4959@charite.de>

* Rosenbaum, Larry M. <rosenbaumlm at ornl.gov>:
> We are running Mailman v2.1.13 on Solaris 9 Sparc.  We have a list with about 13,000 members that we currently have "emergency moderation" turned on because of previous problems with reply storms.
> 
> Today somebody sent a message to the list, which (of course) was held for moderation.  The list owner approved it, but then it disappeared.  Here is what was in the "vette" log:
> 
> Oct 04 10:35:12 2010 (21271) XXXXX_Cohorts post from michael.xxxx at xxxx.edu held, message-id=<2034674BF9D4714BAE35B22BF073EEF402E70996 at MS-XXXX.xxxx.edu>: Post to moderated list
> Oct 04 10:38:26 2010 (5774) held message approved, message-id: <2034674BF9D4714BAE35B22BF073EEF402E70996 at MS-XXXX.xxxx.edu>
> Oct 04 10:38:28 2010 (21271) Message discarded, msgid: 2034674BF9D4714BAE35B22BF073EEF402E70996 at MS-XXXX.xxxx.edu

The first and third line seem to match, but why is the size for the
second line only a 5k instead of 20k? (if the number in () is actually
the size)

-- 
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  Gesch?ftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk
  Charit? - Universit?tsmedizin Berlin
  Campus Benjamin Franklin
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From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct  4 22:21:08 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 13:21:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved message is discarded
In-Reply-To: <20101004200655.GD4959@charite.de>
References: <B832297B56798E4FB5CCE181942E7EC673C373AF2D@EXCHMBA.ornl.gov>
	<20101004200655.GD4959@charite.de>
Message-ID: <4CAA3734.5000506@msapiro.net>

On 10/4/2010 1:06 PM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> * Rosenbaum, Larry M. <rosenbaumlm at ornl.gov>:
>>
>> Oct 04 10:35:12 2010 (21271) XXXXX_Cohorts post from michael.xxxx at xxxx.edu held, message-id=<2034674BF9D4714BAE35B22BF073EEF402E70996 at MS-XXXX.xxxx.edu>: Post to moderated list
>> Oct 04 10:38:26 2010 (5774) held message approved, message-id: <2034674BF9D4714BAE35B22BF073EEF402E70996 at MS-XXXX.xxxx.edu>
>> Oct 04 10:38:28 2010 (21271) Message discarded, msgid: 2034674BF9D4714BAE35B22BF073EEF402E70996 at MS-XXXX.xxxx.edu
> 
> The first and third line seem to match, but why is the size for the
> second line only a 5k instead of 20k? (if the number in () is actually
> the size)


The number in parens is thi PID of the process that made the log entry.
In the first and third cases, this is IncomingRunner and in the second
it is the admindb CGI. It has nothing to do with message size.


-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct  4 22:24:37 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 13:24:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved message is discarded
In-Reply-To: <B832297B56798E4FB5CCE181942E7EC673C373AF2D@EXCHMBA.ornl.gov>
References: <B832297B56798E4FB5CCE181942E7EC673C373AF2D@EXCHMBA.ornl.gov>
Message-ID: <4CAA3805.1080204@msapiro.net>

On 10/4/2010 11:51 AM, Rosenbaum, Larry M. wrote:
> 
> What caused the message to be discarded after it was approved?


Most likely, Content filtering -> filter_action is Discard, and there
was nothing left of the message after content filtering. E.g. the
message was text/html or maybe multipart/related and the list doesn't
accept that content type.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From cwieland at uci.edu  Mon Oct  4 22:35:42 2010
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:35:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] number of subscribers
Message-ID: <DA857609-8F39-4AFB-8238-501414ED2B1D@uci.edu>

Does anybody already have a script to get the total number of  
subscribers across all the lists on a system?

Con Wieland
Office of Information Technology
University of California at Irvine



From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Mon Oct  4 22:54:12 2010
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:54:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] number of subscribers
In-Reply-To: <DA857609-8F39-4AFB-8238-501414ED2B1D@uci.edu>
References: <DA857609-8F39-4AFB-8238-501414ED2B1D@uci.edu>
Message-ID: <20101004205412.GP2315@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>

On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 01:35:42PM -0700, Con Wieland wrote:
> Does anybody already have a script to get the total number of  
> subscribers across all the lists on a system?

something like:

list_lists -b | while read L; do echo "List is ${L}"; list_members ${L} | wc -l ; done

perhaps?

If you're after something more complicated, that handles archives and
bits, 

    http://hendricks.amyl.org.uk/~adam/tmp/list-stats

may be of interest

(one day I'll get around to fixing up my repo's browsey thing)


-- 
"We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other
 languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their
 pockets for new vocabulary." 
    -- Booker T. Washington

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct  4 22:57:11 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:57:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] number of subscribers
In-Reply-To: <DA857609-8F39-4AFB-8238-501414ED2B1D@uci.edu>
Message-ID: <PC19520101004135711075040742c79@MSAPIRO>

Con Wieland wrote:

>Does anybody already have a script to get the total number of  
>subscribers across all the lists on a system?


If you want the total number of unique addresses in all your lists, you
can get that with

  bin/find_member . | grep "found in:" | wc -l

If you want the sum over all lists of the number of members in each
list, you can do

(for l in `bin/list_lists --bare`; do bin/list_members $l; done)| wc -l

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dsl225 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 17:30:34 2010
From: dsl225 at gmail.com (dsl225 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:30:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content Filtering options
Message-ID: <008801cb63d9$2624a560$726df020$@com>

I've read many messages regarding this section's configuration, but, I have
to confess, the more I read the less I understand. Probably not the only
one...

Would it be possible for someone to explain simply and clearly which
configuration settings should I use in this section in order to obtain:

- HTML messages (yes, right, I NEED to have HTML messages for this list)
- Footers being part of the body of the same HTML message - and not as
attachments

Many thanks in advance!


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct  5 02:03:13 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:03:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content Filtering options
In-Reply-To: <008801cb63d9$2624a560$726df020$@com>
Message-ID: <PC195201010041703130703a817688c@MSAPIRO>

dsl225 at gmail.com wrote:
>
>Would it be possible for someone to explain simply and clearly which
>configuration settings should I use in this section in order to obtain:
>
>- HTML messages (yes, right, I NEED to have HTML messages for this list)
>- Footers being part of the body of the same HTML message - and not as
>attachments


This is not a content filtering question. It has to do with the way
list footers are added to messages which are not (after content
filtering) a single part, text/plain message. In short if you have an
HTML part in the message the footer will always be added as a separate
part.

See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9> for more about this issue
including some links to contributed patches/work-arounds.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From ckoeber at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 03:29:57 2010
From: ckoeber at gmail.com (Christopher Koeber)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:29:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman ...
In-Reply-To: <4CA3E9B2.4070001@msapiro.net>
References: <AANLkTimbphLqr4SQm4iVEY8Omp_9bR4F-jF1tY-KEB9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CA3E9B2.4070001@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikyZ_VoeNKaEmtfq-Ti-_LzSTaekXqA5br4VYEz@mail.gmail.com>

OK, I tried much of the suggestions given before and I made progress!

When I actually send a message to the list I get this:

---------------------------------------------
Oct  4 20:49:04 WTS-ZIMBRA postfix/virtual[9636]: 25656321552: to=<
allstudents at wts-zimbra.wesleysem.edu>, orig_to=<
allstudents at students.wesleyseminary.edu>, relay=virtual, delay=406,
delays=0.36/405/0/0.12, dsn=4.2.0, status=deferred (delivery failed to
mailbox //"|/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post allstudents": unable to
create lock file //"|/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post allstudents".lock:
No such file or directory)
Oct  4 20:49:09 WTS-ZIMBRA postfix/virtual[9635]: 0635D321524: to=<
allstudents at wts-zimbra.wesleysem.edu>, orig_to=<
allstudents at students.wesleyseminary.edu>, relay=virtual, delay=566,
delays=72/489/0/5, dsn=4.2.0, status=deferred (delivery failed to mailbox
//"|/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post allstudents": unable to create lock
file //"|/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post allstudents".lock: No such
file or directory)
---------------------------------------------

Notice that instead of piping to the mailman service I get this "unable to
create lockfile" problem.

Shouldn't postfix actually pipe to the program mailman?

Anyone seen that before?

Thanks.

Regards,
Christopher Koeber


On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

[...]


> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct  5 05:08:14 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:08:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman ...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikyZ_VoeNKaEmtfq-Ti-_LzSTaekXqA5br4VYEz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201010042008140734838a33ac@MSAPIRO>

Christopher Koeber wrote:

>OK, I tried much of the suggestions given before and I made progress!
>
>When I actually send a message to the list I get this:
>
>---------------------------------------------
>Oct  4 20:49:04 WTS-ZIMBRA postfix/virtual[9636]: 25656321552: to=<
>allstudents at wts-zimbra.wesleysem.edu>, orig_to=<
>allstudents at students.wesleyseminary.edu>, relay=virtual, delay=406,
>delays=0.36/405/0/0.12, dsn=4.2.0, status=deferred (delivery failed to
>mailbox //"|/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post allstudents": unable to
>create lock file //"|/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post allstudents".lock:
>No such file or directory)
>Oct  4 20:49:09 WTS-ZIMBRA postfix/virtual[9635]: 0635D321524: to=<
>allstudents at wts-zimbra.wesleysem.edu>, orig_to=<
>allstudents at students.wesleyseminary.edu>, relay=virtual, delay=566,
>delays=72/489/0/5, dsn=4.2.0, status=deferred (delivery failed to mailbox
>//"|/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post allstudents": unable to create lock
>file //"|/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post allstudents".lock: No such
>file or directory)
>---------------------------------------------
>
>Notice that instead of piping to the mailman service I get this "unable to
>create lockfile" problem.
>
>Shouldn't postfix actually pipe to the program mailman?


The basic issue is you are delivering via relay=virtual rather than
relay=local. Only the local LDA knows how to pipe to a command. The
virtual LDA is trying to deliver to the mailbox named
"|/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post allstudents" which clearly
doesn't work.

I think the problem is students.wesleyseminary.edu is a
virtual_mailbox_domain whereas it needs to be a virtual_alias_domain.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From ckoeber at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 07:42:37 2010
From: ckoeber at gmail.com (Christopher Kurtis Koeber)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 01:42:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman ...
In-Reply-To: <PC195201010042008140734838a33ac@MSAPIRO>
References: <AANLkTikyZ_VoeNKaEmtfq-Ti-_LzSTaekXqA5br4VYEz@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201010042008140734838a33ac@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <004801cb6450$1ed64030$5c82c090$@com>

See below.

>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net]
>    Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 11:08 PM
>    To: Christopher Koeber; mailman-users at python.org
>    Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman ...
>    
>    Christopher Koeber wrote:
>    
>    >OK, I tried much of the suggestions given before and I made
>    progress!
>    >
>    >When I actually send a message to the list I get this:
>    >
>    >---------------------------------------------
>    >Oct  4 20:49:04 WTS-ZIMBRA postfix/virtual[9636]: 25656321552: to=<
>    >allstudents at wts-zimbra.wesleysem.edu>, orig_to=<
>    >allstudents at students.wesleyseminary.edu>, relay=virtual, delay=406,
>    >delays=0.36/405/0/0.12, dsn=4.2.0, status=deferred (delivery failed
>    to
>    >mailbox //"|/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post allstudents":
>    unable to
>    >create lock file //"|/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post
>    allstudents".lock:
>    >No such file or directory)
>    >Oct  4 20:49:09 WTS-ZIMBRA postfix/virtual[9635]: 0635D321524: to=<
>    >allstudents at wts-zimbra.wesleysem.edu>, orig_to=<
>    >allstudents at students.wesleyseminary.edu>, relay=virtual, delay=566,
>    >delays=72/489/0/5, dsn=4.2.0, status=deferred (delivery failed to
>    mailbox
>    >//"|/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post allstudents": unable to
>    create lock
>    >file //"|/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post allstudents".lock: No
>    such
>    >file or directory)
>    >---------------------------------------------
>    >
>    >Notice that instead of piping to the mailman service I get this
>    "unable to
>    >create lockfile" problem.
>    >
>    >Shouldn't postfix actually pipe to the program mailman?
>    
>    
>    The basic issue is you are delivering via relay=virtual rather than
>    relay=local. Only the local LDA knows how to pipe to a command. The
>    virtual LDA is trying to deliver to the mailbox named
>    "|/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post allstudents" which clearly
>    doesn't work.
>    
>    I think the problem is students.wesleyseminary.edu is a
>    virtual_mailbox_domain whereas it needs to be a
>    virtual_alias_domain.
>    
[Christopher Kurtis Koeber] 

Thanks. The problem is that using the virtual transport was the only way I
could get the OpenLDAP setup I had to work with postfix. Is there a way to
conditionally use transports? Say, if one email address is found via a rule
to use a local transport versus the virtual one?

>    --
>    Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
>    San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B.
>    Dylan



From ckoeber at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 15:19:36 2010
From: ckoeber at gmail.com (Christopher Koeber)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 09:19:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman ...
In-Reply-To: <004801cb6450$1ed64030$5c82c090$@com>
References: <AANLkTikyZ_VoeNKaEmtfq-Ti-_LzSTaekXqA5br4VYEz@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201010042008140734838a33ac@MSAPIRO>
	<004801cb6450$1ed64030$5c82c090$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2MSMyg-heeTVG8anR4DcyuLLhvQk=dy4waFsB@mail.gmail.com>

Also, in additional to my question on whether the transport can be rules
based I am wondering if it is possible to switch everything to the local
transport but still support virtual domains.

This is necessary for my setup.

Thank you for your time.

Regards,

Christopher Koeber
On Oct 5, 2010 1:43 AM, "Christopher Kurtis Koeber" <ckoeber at gmail.com>
wrote:
> See below.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net]
>> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 11:08 PM
>> To: Christopher Koeber; mailman-users at python.org
>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman ...
>>
>> Christopher Koeber wrote:
>>
>> >OK, I tried much of the suggestions given before and I made
>> progress!
>> >
>> >When I actually send a message to the list I get this:
>> >
>> >---------------------------------------------
>> >Oct 4 20:49:04 WTS-ZIMBRA postfix/virtual[9636]: 25656321552: to=<
>> >allstudents at wts-zimbra.wesleysem.edu>, orig_to=<
>> >allstudents at students.wesleyseminary.edu>, relay=virtual, delay=406,
>> >delays=0.36/405/0/0.12, dsn=4.2.0, status=deferred (delivery failed
>> to
>> >mailbox //"|/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post allstudents":
>> unable to
>> >create lock file //"|/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post
>> allstudents".lock:
>> >No such file or directory)
>> >Oct 4 20:49:09 WTS-ZIMBRA postfix/virtual[9635]: 0635D321524: to=<
>> >allstudents at wts-zimbra.wesleysem.edu>, orig_to=<
>> >allstudents at students.wesleyseminary.edu>, relay=virtual, delay=566,
>> >delays=72/489/0/5, dsn=4.2.0, status=deferred (delivery failed to
>> mailbox
>> >//"|/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post allstudents": unable to
>> create lock
>> >file //"|/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post allstudents".lock: No
>> such
>> >file or directory)
>> >---------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >Notice that instead of piping to the mailman service I get this
>> "unable to
>> >create lockfile" problem.
>> >
>> >Shouldn't postfix actually pipe to the program mailman?
>>
>>
>> The basic issue is you are delivering via relay=virtual rather than
>> relay=local. Only the local LDA knows how to pipe to a command. The
>> virtual LDA is trying to deliver to the mailbox named
>> "|/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post allstudents" which clearly
>> doesn't work.
>>
>> I think the problem is students.wesleyseminary.edu is a
>> virtual_mailbox_domain whereas it needs to be a
>> virtual_alias_domain.
>>
> [Christopher Kurtis Koeber]
>
> Thanks. The problem is that using the virtual transport was the only way I
> could get the OpenLDAP setup I had to work with postfix. Is there a way to
> conditionally use transports? Say, if one email address is found via a
rule
> to use a local transport versus the virtual one?
>
>> --
>> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,
>> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B.
>> Dylan
>
>

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct  5 16:38:20 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:38:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman ...
In-Reply-To: <004801cb6450$1ed64030$5c82c090$@com>
Message-ID: <PC19520101005073820006277a27352@MSAPIRO>

Christopher Kurtis Koeber wrote:
>
>Is there a way to
>conditionally use transports? Say, if one email address is found via a rule
>to use a local transport versus the virtual one?



That's what transport_maps is for. See the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/ZoCj> for a way to automate this for Mailman
lists.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From ckoeber at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 16:58:14 2010
From: ckoeber at gmail.com (Christopher Koeber)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 10:58:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman ...
In-Reply-To: <PC19520101005073820006277a27352@MSAPIRO>
References: <004801cb6450$1ed64030$5c82c090$@com>
	<PC19520101005073820006277a27352@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikTaR629Lb=r4jLS6XBVOzMT_54mbxgCkB-YF1d@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> Christopher Kurtis Koeber wrote:
> >
> >Is there a way to
> >conditionally use transports? Say, if one email address is found via a
> rule
> >to use a local transport versus the virtual one?
>
>
>
> That's what transport_maps is for. See the FAQ at
> <http://wiki.list.org/x/ZoCj> for a way to automate this for Mailman
> lists.
>
>

Thanks so much. I didn't see this in the link but will I need to switch the
"local transport" piece in Postfix to local?

I am guessing not, as that is what transport_maps is doing for me, right?

Regards,
Christopher Koeber

--

>  Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct  5 17:16:40 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 08:16:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman ...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik2MSMyg-heeTVG8anR4DcyuLLhvQk=dy4waFsB@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201010050816400687ef66e2d7@MSAPIRO>

Christopher Koeber wrote:

>Also, in additional to my question on whether the transport can be rules
>based I am wondering if it is possible to switch everything to the local
>transport but still support virtual domains.


You can support virtual domains with the local transport, but in
general, they need to be virtual_alias_domains, not
virtual_mailbox_domains. Whether that works in your case depends on
your exact configuration/requirements and is probably beyond the scope
of this list.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct  5 17:24:37 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 08:24:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman ...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikTaR629Lb=r4jLS6XBVOzMT_54mbxgCkB-YF1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201010050824370328ac32946d@MSAPIRO>

Christopher Koeber wrote:
>
>Thanks so much. I didn't see this in the link but will I need to switch the
>"local transport" piece in Postfix to local?
>
>I am guessing not, as that is what transport_maps is doing for me, right?


Yes. local_transport is a default. transport_maps overrides it for any
address found therein.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From lists at pbw.id.au  Wed Oct  6 04:26:53 2010
From: lists at pbw.id.au (Peter B. West)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:26:53 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual-mailman not generated
Message-ID: <65BCC931-8738-42C9-A893-2F84359CC3EA@pbw.id.au>

Hi,

No doubt I'm overlooking something which is obvious to experienced users, but for a newcomer to both mail server setup and mailman setup, is opaque.

When I run genaliases, I get aliases, but not virtual-mailman.

The host that I'm generating this on is eunuch.pbw.id.au (to the outside world.)

The virtual host I want to use with postfix-to-mailman.py is lists.eunuch.pbw.id.au.

Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

Here's my postfix config.

-----------------------------------
# See /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.dist for a commented, more complete version

# Debian specific:  Specifying a file name will cause the first
# line of that file to be used as the name.  The Debian default
# is /etc/mailname.
myorigin = /etc/mailname

smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu)
biff = no

# appending .domain is the MUA's job.
append_dot_mydomain = no

# Uncomment the next line to generate "delayed mail" warnings
#delay_warning_time = 4h

readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix

# TLS parameters
smtpd_tls_cert_file=/etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem
smtpd_tls_key_file=/etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key
smtpd_use_tls=yes
smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache
smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache

# See /usr/share/doc/postfix/TLS_README.gz in the postfix-doc package for
# information on enabling SSL in the smtp client.

myhostname = eunuch.pbw.id.au
mydomain = pbw.id.au

proxy_interfaces = 60.241.99.30

alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases

mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.localdomain, , localhost

relayhost = 

mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 192.168.1.0/8

relay_domains = lists.eunuch.pbw.id.au
relay_recipient_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

virtual_alias_domains = lists.eunuch.pbw.id.au
virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual

transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport

mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1


mailbox_size_limit = 0
recipient_delimiter = +
inet_interfaces = all
html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix/html
---------------------------------------------------


Here's my mm_cfg.py
===================================================
# -*- python -*-

# Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
# 
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
# 
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software 
# Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA
# 02110-1301 USA


"""This is the module which takes your site-specific settings.

From a raw distribution it should be copied to mm_cfg.py.  If you
already have an mm_cfg.py, be careful to add in only the new settings
you want.  The complete set of distributed defaults, with annotation,
are in ./Defaults.  In mm_cfg, override only those you want to
change, after the

  from Defaults import *

line (see below).

Note that these are just default settings - many can be overridden via the
admin and user interfaces on a per-list or per-user basis.

Note also that some of the settings are resolved against the active list
setting by using the value as a format string against the
list-instance-object's dictionary - see the distributed value of
DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER for an example."""


#######################################################
#    Here's where we get the distributed defaults.    #

from Defaults import *

##############################################################
# Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . #
# See Defaults.py for explanations of the values.            #

#-------------------------------------------------------------
# The name of the list Mailman uses to send password reminders
# and similar. Don't change if you want mailman-owner to be
# a valid local part.
MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman'

#-------------------------------------------------------------
# If you change these, you have to configure your http server
# accordingly (Alias and ScriptAlias directives in most httpds)
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private'
IMAGE_LOGOS         = '/images/mailman/'

#-------------------------------------------------------------
# Default domain for email addresses of newly created MLs
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost.localdomain'
#-------------------------------------------------------------
# Default host for web interface of newly created MLs
DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'localhost.localdomain'
#-------------------------------------------------------------
# Required when setting any of its arguments.
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

#-------------------------------------------------------------
# The default language for this server.
DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en'

#-------------------------------------------------------------
# Iirc this was used in pre 2.1, leave it for now
USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER    = 0              # Still used?

#-------------------------------------------------------------
# Unset send_reminders on newly created lists
DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 0

#-------------------------------------------------------------
# Uncomment this if you configured your MTA such that it
# automatically recognizes newly created lists.
# (see /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Exim4.Debian or
# /usr/share/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py)
# MTA=None   # Misnomer, suppresses alias output on newlist

#-------------------------------------------------------------
# Uncomment if you use Postfix virtual domains (but not
# postfix-to-mailman.py), but be sure to see
# /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Debian first.
MTA='Postfix'

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.eunuch.pbw.id.au']

DEB_LISTMASTER = 'postmaster at lists.eunuch.pbw.id.au'

#-------------------------------------------------------------
# Uncomment if you want to filter mail with SpamAssassin. For
# more information please visit this website:
# http://www.jamesh.id.au/articles/mailman-spamassassin/
# GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(1, 'SpamAssassin')

# Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from mm_cfg, but you
# didn't find it above, it's probably in /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py.
==============================================================================

Peter West

"Nicodemus said to him, 'How can this be?'"


From andykerich at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 14:57:20 2010
From: andykerich at gmail.com (Andrew Kerich)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:57:20 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Running multiple instances of mailman on the same
	server
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=jpehWm2ojxG8cpVS1zttCDt+abbK65edXbgEG@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Guys,
Has anyone implemented the above. please assist with sample configs of
your apache and MTA (exim for my case)

Kerich.

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct  6 17:10:41 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 08:10:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual-mailman not generated
In-Reply-To: <65BCC931-8738-42C9-A893-2F84359CC3EA@pbw.id.au>
Message-ID: <PC195201010060810410875d8084794@MSAPIRO>

Peter B. West wrote:
>
>No doubt I'm overlooking something which is obvious to experienced users, but for a newcomer to both mail server setup and mailman setup, is opaque.
>
>When I run genaliases, I get aliases, but not virtual-mailman.


Because you have no lists whose host_name attribute matches one of the
entries in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS (i.e. lists.eunuch.pbw.id.au).


>The host that I'm generating this on is eunuch.pbw.id.au (to the outside world.)
>
>The virtual host I want to use with postfix-to-mailman.py is lists.eunuch.pbw.id.au.
>
>Any idea what I'm doing wrong?


First of all, if you are using postfix-to-mailman.py, you don't
want/need Mailman to generate any aliases or virtual mappings. These
are mutually exclusive ways of delivering mail to Mailman.

Also please note that this list is the primary support for GNU Mailman
as distributed by the Mailman project. If you use a downstream
package, we will generally try to help, but your primary support
resources should be those provided by your packager.


>Here's my postfix config.


See comments inserted below. Note that this config doesn't reference
Mailman's aliases or virtual-mailman at all which is correct for
postfix-to-mailman.py.


[...]
>
>alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
>alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
>
>mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.localdomain, , localhost
>
>relayhost = 
>
>mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 192.168.1.0/8
>
>relay_domains = lists.eunuch.pbw.id.au
>relay_recipient_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
>
>virtual_alias_domains = lists.eunuch.pbw.id.au


You don't want the above. The domain is a relay domain, not a virtual
alias domain.


>virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual
>
>transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport


Presumably (hopefully) there is an entry in /etc/postfix/transport that
specifies a "mailman" transport for the lists.eunuch.pbw.id.au, and an
entry in master.cf defining this transport


>mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1
>
>
>mailbox_size_limit = 0
>recipient_delimiter = +
>inet_interfaces = all
>html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix/html
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>
>Here's my mm_cfg.py


Again see comments:


[...]
>
>#-------------------------------------------------------------
># Default domain for email addresses of newly created MLs
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost.localdomain'



Should be

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.eunuch.pbw.id.au'

This is why your lists don't get created with the correct host_name


>#-------------------------------------------------------------
># Default host for web interface of newly created MLs
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'localhost.localdomain'


This should probably be

DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.eunuch.pbw.id.au'

or whatever host name you use to access Mailman's web interface. It
should not be localhost as it is the host in URLs exposed to users to
access their options page, list archives, etc.


>#-------------------------------------------------------------
># Required when setting any of its arguments.
>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>
>#-------------------------------------------------------------
[...]
>#-------------------------------------------------------------
># Uncomment this if you configured your MTA such that it
># automatically recognizes newly created lists.
># (see /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Exim4.Debian or
># /usr/share/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py)
># MTA=None   # Misnomer, suppresses alias output on newlist
>
>#-------------------------------------------------------------
># Uncomment if you use Postfix virtual domains (but not
># postfix-to-mailman.py), but be sure to see
># /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Debian first.
>MTA='Postfix'


As it says, you don't specify MTA='Postfix' if you use
postfix_to_mailman.py. You want

MTA = None


>POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.eunuch.pbw.id.au']


And the above is irrelevant because virtual-mailman is not used.


>DEB_LISTMASTER = 'postmaster at lists.eunuch.pbw.id.au'
>
[...]


-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Wed Oct  6 20:45:38 2010
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:45:38 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman ...
In-Reply-To: <PC195201010042008140734838a33ac@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC195201010042008140734838a33ac@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.1010062043500.3500@data.home>

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> I think the problem is students.wesleyseminary.edu is a
> virtual_mailbox_domain whereas it needs to be a virtual_alias_domain.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I've never had trouble using virtual 
mailbox domains to host Mailman lists.  In fact, I'm not sure that I've 
ever done anything else.

Geoff.


From ckoeber at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 00:14:15 2010
From: ckoeber at gmail.com (Christopher Koeber)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:14:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman ...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.1010062043500.3500@data.home>
References: <PC195201010042008140734838a33ac@MSAPIRO>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.1010062043500.3500@data.home>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=PScZuNXBawkCLEHUjNEFaWbRi-nM-uSF-wkPU@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Geoff Shang <geoff at quitelikely.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Oct 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> I think the problem is students.wesleyseminary.edu is a
>> virtual_mailbox_domain whereas it needs to be a virtual_alias_domain.
>>
>
> Maybe I'm missing something, but I've never had trouble using virtual
> mailbox domains to host Mailman lists.  In fact, I'm not sure that I've ever
> done anything else.
>
> Geoff.
>

I tried it and it never gets to the local pipes for the mailman processes.
Essentially Postfix still believes that anything going to the mailman system
is going to the setups for virtual_mailbox_domain.

So you end up needing to do a transport map, which is what I am
experimenting with.


>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe:
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>

From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Thu Oct  7 22:51:54 2010
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:51:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Preferences
Message-ID: <4CAE32EA.1030705@libertytrek.org>

How does one go about defining which user prefs are available to users
when they log into their users page?

Is it possible to pick and choose? Hopefully without having to dog into
the code?

Thanks...

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct  7 23:50:45 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:50:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Preferences
In-Reply-To: <4CAE32EA.1030705@libertytrek.org>
Message-ID: <PC19520101007145045040664252f43@MSAPIRO>

Tanstaafl wrote:

>How does one go about defining which user prefs are available to users
>when they log into their users page?
>
>Is it possible to pick and choose? Hopefully without having to dog into
>the code?


The user options page is built from the options.html template. If you
want to remove certain settings from the page, you can make sitewide,
domainwide or list specific edited version of the options.html
template with those settings removed.

See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/jYA9> for info on where to save
the edited template.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Fri Oct  8 21:02:52 2010
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 15:02:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Preferences
In-Reply-To: <PC19520101007145045040664252f43@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC19520101007145045040664252f43@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <4CAF6ADC.50307@libertytrek.org>

On 2010-10-07 5:50 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Tanstaafl wrote:
>> How does one go about defining which user prefs are available to users
>> when they log into their users page?
>>
>> Is it possible to pick and choose? Hopefully without having to dog into
>> the code?

> The user options page is built from the options.html template. If you
> want to remove certain settings from the page, you can make sitewide,
> domainwide or list specific edited version of the options.html
> template with those settings removed.

Thanks Mark...

IS pretty much every option available as a per user pref? I'm
specifically interested in the inclusion (or not) of [Subject Tags]...

> See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/jYA9> for info on where to save
> the edited template.

Thanks again... :)

From tanstaafl at libertytrek.org  Fri Oct  8 22:25:58 2010
From: tanstaafl at libertytrek.org (Tanstaafl)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:25:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Preferences
In-Reply-To: <4CAF7618.8030106@msapiro.net>
References: <PC19520101007145045040664252f43@MSAPIRO>
	<4CAF6ADC.50307@libertytrek.org> <4CAF7618.8030106@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <4CAF7E56.4040506@libertytrek.org>

On 2010-10-08 3:50 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> No. The subject prefix is a list setting an there is no user option to
> enable/disable it.
> 
> User options include those things which are check boxes on the admin
> Membership list page plus topics subscription and that's about it. The
> default options page shows them all. You can remove some of those from
> the template, but you can't add anything.

Ok, thanks...

Any chance this could be a per user option in MM3? The reason I ask is
some people like them, and some people don't, and it would be nice if
the list setting could be the default, then each user could override it
by defining their own, or just disabling it completely...

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct  8 21:50:48 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:50:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Preferences
In-Reply-To: <4CAF6ADC.50307@libertytrek.org>
References: <PC19520101007145045040664252f43@MSAPIRO>
	<4CAF6ADC.50307@libertytrek.org>
Message-ID: <4CAF7618.8030106@msapiro.net>

On 10/8/2010 12:02 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> 
> IS pretty much every option available as a per user pref? I'm
> specifically interested in the inclusion (or not) of [Subject Tags]...


No. The subject prefix is a list setting an there is no user option to
enable/disable it.

User options include those things which are check boxes on the admin
Membership list page plus topics subscription and that's about it. The
default options page shows them all. You can remove some of those from
the template, but you can't add anything.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct  9 06:26:49 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 21:26:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Preferences
In-Reply-To: <4CAF7E56.4040506@libertytrek.org>
Message-ID: <PC195201010082126490662a86ae2c7@Notebook-09>

Tanstaafl wrote:
>
>Any chance this could be a per user option in MM3? The reason I ask is
>some people like them, and some people don't, and it would be nice if
>the list setting could be the default, then each user could override it
>by defining their own, or just disabling it completely...


It could be considered for MM3. The problem is it would essentially (at
least if enabled) require that the list be personalized in that each
user potentially wants a message with a different subject.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From pub88 at numericable.fr  Sat Oct  9 18:11:56 2010
From: pub88 at numericable.fr (pub88)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:11:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traffic information for each list
Message-ID: <8538AFBC047D410F917360D4FEB05738@ACERCORE2>

Bonjour,

I have several list using mailman and I want to know.
Size of archive
Traffic (monthly) generated by the list (SMPTP I suppose)
for each list
I use plesk to manage the domain which is hosted by OVH.

Any ideas ?
or where I can found this information ?

TIA

Ives

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct 10 15:58:32 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 06:58:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traffic information for each list
In-Reply-To: <8538AFBC047D410F917360D4FEB05738@ACERCORE2>
Message-ID: <PC19520101010065832014722c2a0b3@Notebook-09>

pub88 wrote:
>
>I have several list using mailman and I want to know.
>Size of archive

If you mean size as in disk space

du --summarize /path/to/archives/private/LISTNAME

and/or

ls -l /path/to/archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox

If you mean number of messages

grep "^From " /path/to/archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox \
  | wc -l


>Traffic (monthly) generated by the list (SMPTP I suppose)
>for each list


You can get this information from Mailman's 'smtp' log.

See the mmdsr script for an example of reporting from Mailman's logs.
<http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emailman-coders/mailman/2.1/annotate/head%3A/contrib/mmdsr>

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Oct 11 02:25:13 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 18:25:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A rare moment
Message-ID: <4CB25969.6030907@bradakis.com>

I've been running various automotive related mailing lists,
web pages, FTP sites and such for over twenty years.  It is
a labor of love, not a means of making money, so tending to
outstanding requests is not top priority.  But I've had a
nasty cold the last few days, and have spent some time
working on Team.Net since I can't do much else besides
sit at the computer, sniffle and cough.

With 60 or so lists and 12,000+ subscribers around the
globe it is easy to get behind.  I've seen 10,000 or more
held messages at times.  Today, though:

autox /local/mailman/teamnet/data  131 :: ls held*
ls: No match.


This could be the first time in many years I have *no*
outstanding requests to deal with.  Sweet.

mjb.



From khillo100 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 11 23:46:47 2010
From: khillo100 at hotmail.com (Khalil Abbas)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:46:47 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce unsubscriptions..
Message-ID: <COL105-W611DD1794F47C7DC547721FB530@phx.gbl>


Hi,

 

many people get removed from my lists due to bounces and I recieve many complaints that they re-subscribe then get kicked out again.. my bounce processing settings are as follows:

 

The maximum member bounce score before the member's subscription is disabled. This value can be a floating point number = 5.0

 

The number of days after which a member's bounce information is discarded, if no new bounces have been received in the interim. This value must be an integer = 7

 

How many Your Membership Is Disabled warnings a disabled member should get before their address is removed from the mailing list. Set to 0 to immediately remove an address from the list once their bounce score exceeds the threshold. This value must be an integer =0 

 

The number of days between sending the Your Membership Is Disabled warnings. This value must be an integer = 7

 

is there anything wromg with that ??

 

thanks..
 		 	   		  

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct 12 05:19:10 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 20:19:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce unsubscriptions..
In-Reply-To: <COL105-W611DD1794F47C7DC547721FB530@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <PC195201010112019100427449ea9b5@Notebook-09>

Khalil Abbas wrote:
>
>many people get removed from my lists due to bounces and I recieve many complaints that they re-subscribe then get kicked out again.. my bounce processing settings are as follows:
>
> 
>
>The maximum member bounce score before the member's subscription is disabled. This value can be a floating point number = 5.0
>
> 
>
>The number of days after which a member's bounce information is discarded, if no new bounces have been received in the interim. This value must be an integer = 7
>
> 
>
>How many Your Membership Is Disabled warnings a disabled member should get before their address is removed from the mailing list. Set to 0 to immediately remove an address from the list once their bounce score exceeds the threshold. This value must be an integer =0 


Consider raising this to 2 or 3, so that they get a few warnings at 1
week intervals between disable and unsubscribe.


>The number of days between sending the Your Membership Is Disabled warnings. This value must be an integer = 7


Make sure that bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is Yes so you get a
notice containing the triggering bounce when a member is disabled by
bounce processing.

Then, using this information plus possible information from Mailman's
smtp-failure log and the MTA logs, figure out why apparently valid
addresses are bouncing and fix the underlying problem.

If the problem is "spam" rejection by the receiving ISP, make sure the
the member whitlists your list and/or complains to her ISP.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rmcleran at ix.netcom.com  Tue Oct 12 16:20:51 2010
From: rmcleran at ix.netcom.com (Bob McLeran)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:20:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to get list of subscribers in moderated status
In-Reply-To: <45AED6A7.60204@ix.netcom.com>
References: <45AED6A7.60204@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <4CB46EC3.3030000@ix.netcom.com>

  On the list I administer as owner, I'd like to get a list of all 
subscribers who are in a moderated status.

Is there any way to do this using the "who password" email command line?

<><><><><><><><><><><><>Mozilla Thunderbird<><><><><><><><><><>
Bob McLeran and Judy Young               Manatee Cove Marina
MV Sanderling                            Patrick Air Force Base
DeFever 41 Trawler                       Melbourne, Florida
Blog: http://sanderlingcruise2010.blogspot.com/
Pics: http://tinyurl.com/yjx2vky&  http://tinyurl.com/yhxjvas



From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 13 16:10:47 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 07:10:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to get list of subscribers in moderated
	status
In-Reply-To: <4CB46EC3.3030000@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952010101307104703913dc3d5b6@Notebook-09>

Bob McLeran wrote:

>  On the list I administer as owner, I'd like to get a list of all 
>subscribers who are in a moderated status.
>
>Is there any way to do this using the "who password" email command line?


No. The email who command doesn't distinguish moderated/unmoderated
members.

See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/aYA9> for links to a script
which can run on your workstation and get this invormation via the web
admin interface.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From borjariesgo at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 14:30:58 2010
From: borjariesgo at gmail.com (Borja Riesgo Juan)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:30:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forbide sending mails from users differents
Message-ID: <AANLkTim-i6-w1-Cx05WY+0aHE2oc03yF29F5YgaQO4GA@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to create a list called all at corodiocesano.es. I would like to
forbid the sending of mails from everybody except the administrator users. i
would like to know an automatic method to subscribe new users using php
code.


best regards,

Borja Riesgo

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 14 15:37:01 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 06:37:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forbide sending mails from users differents
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim-i6-w1-Cx05WY+0aHE2oc03yF29F5YgaQO4GA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520101014063701056394558a34@Notebook-09>

Borja Riesgo Juan wrote:

>I would like to create a list called all at corodiocesano.es. I would like to
>forbid the sending of mails from everybody except the administrator users.


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/3YA9>.


> i
>would like to know an automatic method to subscribe new users using php
>code.


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/uIA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From aaron at campusactivism.org  Fri Oct 15 05:39:05 2010
From: aaron at campusactivism.org (Aaron Kreider)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:39:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Crashes Regularly
Message-ID: <4CB7CCD9.5040905@campusactivism.org>

  I'm getting regular mailman crashes every 2-4 weeks.  I've had 4 so 
far.  I'm running a centos VPS with mailman 2.1.13.

What is the best way to restart mailman?  I've been restarting the 
entire vps, which obviously is a bad idea.  What can I do to prevent 
this from happening?

Here is the error log entries from when it crashed:





Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19680): No child with pid: 3683
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19680): [Errno 3] No such process
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19680): Stale pid file removed.
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694): Traceback (most recent call last):
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 548, in ?
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      main()
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 367, in main
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      check_for_site_list()
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 277, in 
check_for_site_list
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      sitelist = 
MailList(sitelistname, lock=0)
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 115, in 
__init__
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      execfile(filename, dict)
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/lists/mailman/extend.py", line 5, in ?
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      from 
Mailman.MysqlMemberships import MysqlMemberships
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MysqlMemberships.py", line 
49, in ?
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      import MySQLdb
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
"build/bdist.linux-x86_64/egg/MySQLdb/__init__.py", line 19, in ?
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
"build/bdist.linux-x86_64/egg/_mysql.py", line 7, in ?
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
"build/bdist.linux-x86_64/egg/_mysql.py", line 4, in __bootstrap__
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c12dev_r80622-py2.4.egg/pkg_resources.py", 
line 881, in resource_filename
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      return 
get_provider(package_or_requirement).get_resource_filename(
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c12dev_r80622-py2.4.egg/pkg_resources.py", 
line 1351, in get_resource_filename
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      
self._extract_resource(manager, self._eager_to_zip(name))
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c12dev_r80622-py2.4.egg/pkg_resources.py", 
line 1372, in _extract_resource
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      real_path = 
manager.get_cache_path(
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c12dev_r80622-py2.4.egg/pkg_resources.py", 
line 962, in get_cache_path
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      self.extraction_error()
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c12dev_r80622-py2.4.egg/pkg_resources.py", 
line 928, in extraction_error
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      raise err
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694): pkg_resources . ExtractionError 
:  Can't extract file(s) to egg cache

The following error occurred while trying to extract file(s) to the 
Python egg
cache:

   [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/root/.python-eggs'

The Python egg cache directory is currently set to:

   /root/.python-eggs

Perhaps your account does not have write access to this directory?  You can
change the cache directory by setting the PYTHON_EGG_CACHE environment
variable to point to an accessible directory.
Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):
Oct 13 01:31:11 2010 mailmanctl(22029): PID unreadable in: 
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid
Oct 13 01:31:11 2010 mailmanctl(22029): [Errno 2] No such file or 
directory: '/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid'
Oct 13 01:31:11 2010 mailmanctl(22029): Is qrunner even running?
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123): Traceback (most recent call last):
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):   File 
"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 548, in ?
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):      main()
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):   File 
"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 367, in main
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):      check_for_site_list()
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):   File 
"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 277, in 
check_for_site_list
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):      sitelist = 
MailList(sitelistname, lock=0)
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):   File 
"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 115, in 
__init__
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):      execfile(filename, dict)
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):   File 
"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/lists/mailman/extend.py", line 5, in ?
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):      from 
Mailman.MysqlMemberships import MysqlMemberships
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):   File 
"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MysqlMemberships.py", line 
49, in ?
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):      import MySQLdb
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):   File 
"build/bdist.linux-x86_64/egg/MySQLdb/__init__.py", line 19, in ?
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):   File 
"build/bdist.linux-x86_64/egg/_mysql.py", line 7, in ?
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):   File 
"build/bdist.linux-x86_64/egg/_mysql.py", line 4, in __bootstrap__
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):   File 
"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c12dev_r80622-py2.4.egg/pkg_resources.py", 
line 881, in resource_filename
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):      return 
get_provider(package_or_requirement).get_resource_filename(
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):   File 
"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c12dev_r80622-py2.4.egg/pkg_resources.py", 
line 1351, in get_resource_filename
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):      
self._extract_resource(manager, self._eager_to_zip(name))
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):   File 
"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c12dev_r80622-py2.4.egg/pkg_resources.py", 
line 1372, in _extract_resource
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):      real_path = 
manager.get_cache_path(
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):   File 
"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c12dev_r80622-py2.4.egg/pkg_resources.py", 
line 962, in get_cache_path
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):      self.extraction_error()
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):   File 
"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c12dev_r80622-py2.4.egg/pkg_resources.py", 
line 928, in extraction_error
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):      raise err
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123): pkg_resources . ExtractionError 
:  Can't extract file(s) to egg cache

The following error occurred while trying to extract file(s) to the 
Python egg
cache:

   [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/root/.python-eggs'

The Python egg cache directory is currently set to:

   /root/.python-eggs

Perhaps your account does not have write access to this directory?  You can
change the cache directory by setting the PYTHON_EGG_CACHE environment
variable to point to an accessible directory.
Oct 13 01:31:14 2010 mailmanctl(22123):

-- 
Energy Justice Communities Map Developer - http://www.energyjustice.net/map


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 15 14:53:36 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 05:53:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Crashes Regularly
In-Reply-To: <4CB7CCD9.5040905@campusactivism.org>
Message-ID: <PC195201010150553360941fe45bfd1@Notebook-09>

Aaron Kreider wrote:

>  I'm getting regular mailman crashes every 2-4 weeks.  I've had 4 so 
>far.  I'm running a centos VPS with mailman 2.1.13.
>
>What is the best way to restart mailman?  I've been restarting the 
>entire vps, which obviously is a bad idea.  What can I do to prevent 
>this from happening?


The best way to restart Mailman depends on whether just mailmanctl or
also all the qrunners die. If all the qrunners are gone, you can just
run Mailman's "bin/mailmanctl start" or whatever cPanel voodoo starts
the Mailman service.

If there are still qrunner processes running when mailmanctl dies, see
the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/_4A9>.

(see below)


>Here is the error log entries from when it crashed:
>
>
>
>
>
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19680): No child with pid: 3683
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19680): [Errno 3] No such process
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19680): Stale pid file removed.
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694): Traceback (most recent call last):
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
>"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 548, in ?
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      main()
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
>"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 367, in main
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      check_for_site_list()
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
>"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 277, in 
>check_for_site_list
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      sitelist = 
>MailList(sitelistname, lock=0)
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
>"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 115, in 
>__init__
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      execfile(filename, dict)
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
>"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/lists/mailman/extend.py", line 5, in ?
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      from 
>Mailman.MysqlMemberships import MysqlMemberships


Why do you have
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/lists/mailman/extend.py which
imports MysqlMemberships? As far as I know, this is not something that
cPanel Mailman does by default?

(see below)

 
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
>"/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MysqlMemberships.py", line 
>49, in ?
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      import MySQLdb
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
>"build/bdist.linux-x86_64/egg/MySQLdb/__init__.py", line 19, in ?
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
>"build/bdist.linux-x86_64/egg/_mysql.py", line 7, in ?
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
>"build/bdist.linux-x86_64/egg/_mysql.py", line 4, in __bootstrap__
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
>"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c12dev_r80622-py2.4.egg/pkg_resources.py", 
>line 881, in resource_filename
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      return 
>get_provider(package_or_requirement).get_resource_filename(
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
>"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c12dev_r80622-py2.4.egg/pkg_resources.py", 
>line 1351, in get_resource_filename
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      
>self._extract_resource(manager, self._eager_to_zip(name))
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
>"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c12dev_r80622-py2.4.egg/pkg_resources.py", 
>line 1372, in _extract_resource
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      real_path = 
>manager.get_cache_path(
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
>"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c12dev_r80622-py2.4.egg/pkg_resources.py", 
>line 962, in get_cache_path
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      self.extraction_error()
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):   File 
>"/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools-0.6c12dev_r80622-py2.4.egg/pkg_resources.py", 
>line 928, in extraction_error
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694):      raise err
>Oct 13 01:30:23 2010 mailmanctl(19694): pkg_resources . ExtractionError 
>:  Can't extract file(s) to egg cache
>
>The following error occurred while trying to extract file(s) to the 
>Python egg
>cache:
>
>   [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/root/.python-eggs'
>
>The Python egg cache directory is currently set to:
>
>   /root/.python-eggs
>
>Perhaps your account does not have write access to this directory?  You can
>change the cache directory by setting the PYTHON_EGG_CACHE environment
>variable to point to an accessible directory.
[...]


The underlying issue here is that Python's MySQLdb was apparently
installed by root in a way that the the Python egg cache directory is
not writeable by the Mailman process.

You can get rid of the above errors by simply removing
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/lists/mailman/extend.py and perhaps
any other /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/lists/*/extend.py files,
but this will defeat your use of MysqlMemberships.py, but since it
doesn't work anyway, and maybe is only installed for the site list,
that shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Also, please read the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+and+CPanel>.

Finally, it is not clear to me that the above error is from the crash.
It seems to me it would occur whenever mailmanctl starts.  Is this all
that's in Mailman's error log? What's in Mailman's qrunner log?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From Alessandro.Bruchi at iit.it  Fri Oct 15 15:46:31 2010
From: Alessandro.Bruchi at iit.it (Alessandro Bruchi)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:46:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.14 new features
In-Reply-To: <PC1952010081207535603302b7fb182@Notebook-09>
References: <4C62E62D.1080901@gmail.com>
	<PC1952010081207535603302b7fb182@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <3E8C1B0F5B2161419B02BEC08536162548A4F34995@IITMXMBX.iit.local>

Does mailman 2.1.14 solve the virtual domain problem? 
In particular the ability to create:

list at domain1
list at domain2

I read that the new version support virtual domains.
Do you know when mailman 2.1.14 will be included as package in some debian distribution?

Thank you
Alessandro

From rclemings at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 16:39:06 2010
From: rclemings at gmail.com (Russell Clemings)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 07:39:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Crashes Regularly
Message-ID: <AANLkTin5o6pQYpKpxa=_Q7yv9sFZQ3P+H3DoB8LKvR7i@mail.gmail.com>

The cPanel command I believe is:
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/mailmanctl restart

From: Aaron Kreider <aaron at campusactivism.org>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:39:05 -0400
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Crashes Regularly
>  I'm getting regular mailman crashes every 2-4 weeks.  I've had 4 so far.
>  I'm running a centos VPS with mailman 2.1.13.
>
> What is the best way to restart mailman?  I've been restarting the entire
> vps, which obviously is a bad idea.  What can I do to prevent this from
> happening?
>
>

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 15 16:47:17 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:47:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.14 new features
In-Reply-To: <3E8C1B0F5B2161419B02BEC08536162548A4F34995@IITMXMBX.iit.local>
References: <4C62E62D.1080901@gmail.com>
	<PC1952010081207535603302b7fb182@Notebook-09>
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"Alessandro Bruchi" <Alessandro.Bruchi at iit.it> wrote:

>Does mailman 2.1.14 solve the virtual domain problem? 
>In particular the ability to create:
>
>list at domain1
>list at domain2


No.


>I read that the new version support virtual domains.


That support is in MM 3. It is not yet ready for production use.



>Do you know when mailman 2.1.14 will be included as package in some debian distribution?


No.


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From joonho at a9.com  Fri Oct 15 20:52:47 2010
From: joonho at a9.com (Syn, Joonho)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:52:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one line command to change generic_nonmember_action
Message-ID: <C8DDF10F.54AB%joonho@a9.com>

I'm writing a simplified mailman dashboard page for my company's internal use and one of the functions we want is to be able to toggle the generic_nonmember_action for any given list.  Has anyone out there devised a one line command which will allow this?

From cmallon at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 15 23:22:28 2010
From: cmallon at earthlink.net (cmallon)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:22:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman configuration issues?
Message-ID: <7465A161-62E3-4A9B-8394-E0F2DE62361D@earthlink.net>

HI,

This may seem like a dumb question but I've been seeing a lot of this in my mail.logs All the messages are being delivered and there are no bad recipients in the list.  Could there be a misconfiguration somewhere?  I'd like to write a script that extracts information from the keyword bounces, but don't want to get data from legitimate emails.


Oct 15 10:53:20 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: 1984F691A316: from=<my-list-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=3824, nrcpt=6 (queue active)
Oct 15 10:53:20 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: 8D1F4691A31D: from=<my-list-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=3958, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 15 10:53:45 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: 59760691A45E: from=<info-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=5939, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 15 11:04:12 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: C16EC691B4C7: from=<client-mailing-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=4830, nrcpt=6 (queue active)
Oct 15 11:04:12 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: 66308691B4DE: from=<client-mailing-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=4964, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 15 11:08:28 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: C5760691BA29: from=<ticket-tracker-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=4174, nrcpt=4 (queue active)

Oct 15 10:53:20 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: 1984F691A316: from=<my-list-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=3824, nrcpt=6 (queue active)
Oct 15 10:53:20 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: 8D1F4691A31D: from=<my-list-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=3958, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 15 10:53:45 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: 59760691A45E: from=<info-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=5939, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 15 11:04:12 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: C16EC691B4C7: from=<client-mailing-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=4830, nrcpt=6 (queue active)
Oct 15 11:04:12 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: 66308691B4DE: from=<client-mailing-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=4964, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 15 11:08:28 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: C5760691BA29: from=<ticket-tracker-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=4174, nrcpt=4 (queue active)

If I grep one of the  message ids and take a closer look:

mail:/var/mail root# grep C5760691BA29 /var/log/mail.log
Oct 15 11:08:27 apps25 postfix/smtpd[18204]: C5760691BA29: client=localhost[127.0.0.1]
Oct 15 11:08:28 apps25 postfix/cleanup[18211]: C5760691BA29: message-id=<17120997.1287166102753.JavaMail.resin at server12>
Oct 15 11:08:28 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: C5760691BA29: from=<ticket-tracker-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=4174, nrcpt=4 (queue active)
Oct 15 11:08:28 apps25 postfix/pipe[18230]: C5760691BA29: to=<andy at mydomain.com>, relay=cyrus, delay=1, status=sent (mail.mydomain.com)
Oct 15 11:08:28 apps25 postfix/pipe[18188]: C5760691BA29: to=<ben at mydomain.com>, relay=cyrus, delay=1, status=sent (mail.mydomain.com)
Oct 15 11:08:28 apps25 postfix/pipe[18241]: C5760691BA29: to=<debbie at mydomain.com>, relay=cyrus, delay=1, status=sent (mail.mydomain.com)
Oct 15 11:08:28 apps25 postfix/pipe[18230]: C5760691BA29: to=<cindy at mydomain.com>, orig_to=<cathy at mydomain.com>, relay=cyrus, delay=1, status=sent (mail.mydomain.com)
Oct 15 11:08:28 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: C5760691BA29: removed

It appears that all the messages have been delivered.  There no bad recipients.

Is the "my-list-bounces" as reported in my logs normal?  Its reported in the logs the same way for all the lists -- every mailman email that goes out looks like this.

Thank you for your time



From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Fri Oct 15 23:53:48 2010
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 23:53:48 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman configuration issues?
In-Reply-To: <7465A161-62E3-4A9B-8394-E0F2DE62361D@earthlink.net>
References: <7465A161-62E3-4A9B-8394-E0F2DE62361D@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.1010152351310.3932@data.home>

On Fri, 15 Oct 2010, cmallon wrote:

> This may seem like a dumb question but I've been seeing a lot of this in 
> my mail.logs All the messages are being delivered and there are no bad 
> recipients in the list.  Could there be a misconfiguration somewhere? 
> I'd like to write a script that extracts information from the keyword 
> bounces, but don't want to get data from legitimate emails.

> Oct 15 10:53:20 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: 1984F691A316: 
> from=<my-list-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=3824, nrcpt=6 (queue 
> active)

This is normal.  List messages are sent out as <listname>-bounces so that 
if one does indeed bounce, it gets sent back to an address that can do 
something about it.

Geoff.


From frank.vandamme at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 15:31:13 2010
From: frank.vandamme at gmail.com (Frank Van Damme)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:31:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't display list config
Message-ID: <4CB857A1.6030403@gmail.com>

Hi list,

I'm getting errors while trying to dump the config of a mailing list to
a text file.


/usr/lib/mailman/bin/config_list -o listname listname

[...]

# For backwards compatibility with Mailman 1.1, if the regexp does not
# contain an `@', then the pattern is matched against just the local
# part of the recipient address.  If that match fails, or if the pattern
# does contain an `@', then the pattern is matched against the entire
# recipient address.
#
# Matching against the local part is deprecated; in a future release,
# the pattern will always be matched against the entire recipient
# address.
acceptable_aliases =
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/config_list", line 362, in <module>
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/config_list", line 355, in main
    do_output(listname, outfile)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/config_list", line 131, in do_output
    do_list_categories(mlist, k, subcat, outfp)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/config_list", line 183, in
do_list_categories
    lines = value.splitlines()
AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute 'splitlines'

I must add to this that we have a very large number (24000+) of mailing
lists.  I'm not sure if that matters, but we've had problems with the
webinterface, which doesn't display the full list of mailing lists.
list_lists works fine though, and it also doesn't seem to matter if I
try this with a list from the top or from the bottom of the "list of lists".

I'd try to fix this myself but unfortunately I don't speak Python...


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From cmallon at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 15 20:23:32 2010
From: cmallon at earthlink.net (cmallon)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:23:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman configuration issue?
Message-ID: <73CBEE4B-A60B-442C-BA14-3361F2ED7251@earthlink.net>


HI,

This may seem like a dumb question but I've been seeing a lot of this in my mail.logs All the messages are being delivered and there are no bad recipients in the list.  Could there be a misconfiguration somewhere?  I'd like to write a script that extracts information from the keyword bounces, but don't want to get data from legitimate emails.


Oct 15 10:53:20 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: 1984F691A316: from=<my-list-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=3824, nrcpt=6 (queue active)
Oct 15 10:53:20 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: 8D1F4691A31D: from=<my-list-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=3958, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 15 10:53:45 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: 59760691A45E: from=<info-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=5939, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 15 11:04:12 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: C16EC691B4C7: from=<client-mailing-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=4830, nrcpt=6 (queue active)
Oct 15 11:04:12 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: 66308691B4DE: from=<client-mailing-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=4964, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 15 11:08:28 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: C5760691BA29: from=<ticket-tracker-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=4174, nrcpt=4 (queue active)

Oct 15 10:53:20 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: 1984F691A316: from=<my-list-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=3824, nrcpt=6 (queue active)
Oct 15 10:53:20 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: 8D1F4691A31D: from=<my-list-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=3958, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 15 10:53:45 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: 59760691A45E: from=<info-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=5939, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 15 11:04:12 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: C16EC691B4C7: from=<client-mailing-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=4830, nrcpt=6 (queue active)
Oct 15 11:04:12 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: 66308691B4DE: from=<client-mailing-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=4964, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 15 11:08:28 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: C5760691BA29: from=<ticket-tracker-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=4174, nrcpt=4 (queue active)

If I grep one of the  message ids and take a closer look:

mail:/var/mail root# grep C5760691BA29 /var/log/mail.log
Oct 15 11:08:27 apps25 postfix/smtpd[18204]: C5760691BA29: client=localhost[127.0.0.1]
Oct 15 11:08:28 apps25 postfix/cleanup[18211]: C5760691BA29: message-id=<17120997.1287166102753.JavaMail.resin at server12>
Oct 15 11:08:28 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: C5760691BA29: from=<ticket-tracker-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>, size=4174, nrcpt=4 (queue active)
Oct 15 11:08:28 apps25 postfix/pipe[18230]: C5760691BA29: to=<andy at mydomain.com>, relay=cyrus, delay=1, status=sent (mail.mydomain.com)
Oct 15 11:08:28 apps25 postfix/pipe[18188]: C5760691BA29: to=<ben at mydomain.com>, relay=cyrus, delay=1, status=sent (mail.mydomain.com)
Oct 15 11:08:28 apps25 postfix/pipe[18241]: C5760691BA29: to=<debbie at mydomain.com>, relay=cyrus, delay=1, status=sent (mail.mydomain.com)
Oct 15 11:08:28 apps25 postfix/pipe[18230]: C5760691BA29: to=<cindy at mydomain.com>, orig_to=<cathy at mydomain.com>, relay=cyrus, delay=1, status=sent (mail.mydomain.com)
Oct 15 11:08:28 apps25 postfix/qmgr[16897]: C5760691BA29: removed

It appears that all the messages have been delivered.  There no bad recipients.

Is the "my-list-bounces" as reported in my logs normal?  Its reported in the logs the same way for all the lists -- every mailman email that goes out looks like this.

Thank you for your time



From BiLL at thebat.net  Fri Oct 15 20:58:06 2010
From: BiLL at thebat.net (BiLL)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:58:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new user question
Message-ID: <1817611939.20101015115806@thebat.net>


Hello,

I am new to this mailman program.
It works very good so far.
It mails to over 900 people with no problems.

My question is,
How can I set up mailman to send me an email when there is a
post held for moderation?
Sometimes I will go for days, and not check the moderation page.
Mailman used to send me an email when there was a post awaiting
approval, but we bought a new server, and it doesn't send me an email
anymore.?
I have to remember to check Q every day.
thank you for any suggestions.

--
10/15/2010
Bill Fuller
BiLL at thebat.net


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct 16 03:27:31 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 21:27:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new user question
In-Reply-To: <1817611939.20101015115806@thebat.net>
References: <1817611939.20101015115806@thebat.net>
Message-ID: <2d87163e-44ff-45eb-addc-3af093ef3a0c@email.android.com>



"BiLL" <BiLL at thebat.net> wrote:

>My question is,
>How can I set up mailman to send me an email when there is a
>post held for moderation?


Set General Options / admin_immed_notify to Yes.

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From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct 16 14:19:45 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 05:19:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't display list config
In-Reply-To: <4CB857A1.6030403@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201010160519450313441bb166@Notebook-09>

Frank Van Damme wrote:
>
>I'm getting errors while trying to dump the config of a mailing list to
>a text file.
>
>
>/usr/lib/mailman/bin/config_list -o listname listname
>
>[...]
>
[...]
>acceptable_aliases =
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/config_list", line 362, in <module>
>    main()
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/config_list", line 355, in main
>    do_output(listname, outfile)
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/config_list", line 131, in do_output
>    do_list_categories(mlist, k, subcat, outfp)
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/config_list", line 183, in
>do_list_categories
>    lines = value.splitlines()
>AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute 'splitlines'


It appears that this list's acceptable_aliases attribute is a Python
list of aliases - ['alias1 at domain1', 'alias2 at domain2', ...] - instead
of a string of aliases separated by newlines -
'alias1 at domain1\r\nalias2 at domain2\r\n...'.

I don't know how this came about, but you may be able to fix it via the
web if you can access this list's Privacy options... -> Recipient
filters page or via config_list -i or via withlist.


>I must add to this that we have a very large number (24000+) of mailing
>lists.  I'm not sure if that matters, but we've had problems with the
>webinterface, which doesn't display the full list of mailing lists.


This may be related to the above issue or it may be a different
corruption of some lists' attributes.


>list_lists works fine though, and it also doesn't seem to matter if I
>try this with a list from the top or from the bottom of the "list of lists".
>
>I'd try to fix this myself but unfortunately I don't speak Python...


We can help, but we'd need details such as the actual output and maybe
Mailman error log output, although the 'partial' overview listing
could be due to timeout or other limits in the web server so check the
web server logs too.

-- 
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San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From phanh at canby.k12.or.us  Mon Oct 18 08:31:22 2010
From: phanh at canby.k12.or.us (Hung Phan)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 23:31:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Expected behavior with password reminder?
Message-ID: <6E6ED17F-C10E-4A24-89BC-E029B4079267@canby.k12.or.us>

Hello,

While we testing the password reminder feature, we discover that a user asking for password reminder from a specific list that s/he isn't a member of that list, s/he still receives the message "A reminder of your password has been emailed to you." Is this an expected behavior? 

Thank you very much for the advice. 

From odhiambo at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 11:34:41 2010
From: odhiambo at gmail.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:34:41 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Expected behavior with password reminder?
In-Reply-To: <6E6ED17F-C10E-4A24-89BC-E029B4079267@canby.k12.or.us>
References: <6E6ED17F-C10E-4A24-89BC-E029B4079267@canby.k12.or.us>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinBcQJzkHemvp598DM57+eaPR2LCJN1xJGKs8EM@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Hung Phan <phanh at canby.k12.or.us> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> While we testing the password reminder feature, we discover that a user
> asking for password reminder from a specific list that s/he isn't a member
> of that list, s/he still receives the message "A reminder of your password
> has been emailed to you." Is this an expected behavior?
>
> Well, do they get any e-mail at all, and worse still, containing a
password? It would worry me if they did.
>From what I know, a password will only be sent to a validly subscribed
address.



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From s.watkins at nhm.ac.uk  Mon Oct 18 11:46:20 2010
From: s.watkins at nhm.ac.uk (Steff Watkins)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:46:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one line command to change
	generic_nonmember_action
In-Reply-To: <C8DDF10F.54AB%joonho@a9.com>
Message-ID: <8A17F10FEBA5C841956578C5AD9027D30105EE9D@HOMER.nhm.ac.uk>

 

> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Syn, Joonho
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 7:53 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] one line command to change 
> generic_nonmember_action
> 
> I'm writing a simplified mailman dashboard page for my 
> company's internal use and one of the functions we want is to 
> be able to toggle the generic_nonmember_action for any given 
> list.  Has anyone out there devised a one line command which 
> will allow this?

Hi,

 I'm not sure if there is a direct command that can do this but I've
been doing something similar lately. I had a setup of 20+ mailing lists
which had to be identical in a specialised configuration. Doing that by
the web interface filled me with dread so I started looking around and
found the mailman utility 'bin/config_list'.

This brilliant (imnsho!) utility allows you to either dump out a list's
configuration in plain text or read in a list's configuration, again in
plain text.

Let's see you have a list called SomeList. You can dump out the entire
configuration (not the members list, just the list's functional
settings) by typing:

  > cd ~mailman
  > bin/config_list -o - SomeList

This will dump to screen ( -o - ) the configuration of SomeList.

It's just a minor logical step to do

    bin/config_list -o /usr/tmp/somelist-conf.txt SomeList

Which dumps the config into a file /usr/tmp/somelist-conf.txt

If you were to look at that file you'd find a section like this:

======
# When a post from a non-member is received, the message's sender is
# matched against the list of explicitly <a
# href="?VARHELP=privacy/sender/accept_these_nonmembers" >accepted,
# held, <a href="?VARHELP=privacy/sender/reject_these_nonmembers"
# >rejected (bounced), and <a
# href="?VARHELP=privacy/sender/discard_these_nonmembers" >discarded
# addresses.  If no match is found, then this action is taken.
#
# legal values are:
#    0 = "Accept"
#    1 = "Hold"
#    2 = "Reject"
#    3 = "Discard"
generic_nonmember_action = 1
=====

You could either replace the value at the end of the line, or just swap
in a whole new line.

Then save the text file and read the configuration BACK to the list:

bin/config_list -i /usr/tmp/somelist-conf.txt SomeList

Note the change from '-o' (output) to '-i' (input).

It would be easily possible to pipe these commands together, maybe using
sed as the output=>input parser.

So something like,

    bin/config_list -o - SomeList | /usr/bin/sed -f swapscript - |
bin/config_list -i - SomeList

Where 'swapscript' is a simple script to detect the
"generic_nonmember_action = 1" line and change it as you want.

Of course there's probably a simpler/better way of doing this but it
should work.

Regards,
S Watkins

---------------
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From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 18 13:29:24 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 04:29:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Expected behavior with password reminder?
In-Reply-To: <6E6ED17F-C10E-4A24-89BC-E029B4079267@canby.k12.or.us>
Message-ID: <PC195201010180429240996b41bb3fc@Notebook-09>

Hung Phan wrote:
>
>While we testing the password reminder feature, we discover that a user asking for password reminder from a specific list that s/he isn't a member of that list, s/he still receives the message "A reminder of your password has been emailed to you." Is this an expected behavior? 


If the list's Privacy options... -> Subscription rules ->
private_roster attribute is set to Anyone (i.e. if the list membership
roster is public), a non-member requesting a reminder will be told "No
such member". Otherwise, the user gets the same message whether or not
she is a member to prevent using the reminder request to "fish" for
list membership.

On the "never to be released" branch at
<https://code.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.2>, the message
is changed to "If you are a list member, your password has been
emailed to you.", but it has not been changed on the 2.1 branch for
i18n reasons.

-- 
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San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 18 13:43:10 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 04:43:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one line command to change
	generic_nonmember_action
In-Reply-To: <C8DDF10F.54AB%joonho@a9.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201010180443100548b41bb22e@Notebook-09>

Syn, Joonho wrote:

>I'm writing a simplified mailman dashboard page for my company's internal use and one of the functions we want is to be able to toggle the generic_nonmember_action for any given list.  Has anyone out there devised a one line command which will allow this?


See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/uIA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Mon Oct 18 13:54:45 2010
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:54:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one line command to
	change	generic_nonmember_action
In-Reply-To: <8A17F10FEBA5C841956578C5AD9027D30105EE9D@HOMER.nhm.ac.uk>
References: <C8DDF10F.54AB%joonho@a9.com>
	<8A17F10FEBA5C841956578C5AD9027D30105EE9D@HOMER.nhm.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20101018115445.GI2315@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:46:20AM +0100, Steff Watkins wrote:
>       bin/config_list -o /usr/tmp/somelist-conf.txt SomeList
> Which dumps the config into a file /usr/tmp/somelist-conf.txt
> 
> Then save the text file and read the configuration BACK to the list:
>       bin/config_list -i /usr/tmp/somelist-conf.txt SomeList
> 
> Of course there's probably a simpler/better way of doing this but it
> should work.

I've been quite happy using:

    http://code.amyl.org.uk/adam/mailman-scripts/debian/editlistconfig

(patches welcome, should anyone think it necessary)

-- 
 "Any person who knowingly causes a nuclear weapon test explosion
  or any other nuclear explosion is guilty of an offence"
       -- Nuclear Explosions Act, 1998

From aray10 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 16:46:32 2010
From: aray10 at gmail.com (Aaron Ray)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:46:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with accept_these_nonmembers using another
	list in installation
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=pvL7940MnzijR_gSX1kNv-zMDjTr7jV=eq7LU@mail.gmail.com>

Version 2.1.13

I am having some trouble getting the accept_these_nonmembers filter to work
when using another list as the value (eg @test or @all). I have searched
through the mailman-user mailing list, but I can't seem to find a solution.
One of the threads mentioned something about USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER being set
in the mm_cfg.py. I am not hosting this site myself, and I only
administrative interface is through cPanel. So I am not sure how to verify
this setting without opening the file (which I don't have access to). The
sender filter appears to work when I do explicit e-mail addresses, but not
when I try to filter on other lists in the installation. I would like to use
the list option since it is more dynamic. My list architecture is
essentially like this:

-all at domain
-parents at domain
-mentors at domain
-students at domain

The all at domain list contains every e-mail from the other 3 lists. So I am
adding the all at domain mailing list to the other mailing list's
accept_these_nonmembers sender filter with the following syntax:

@all

I have also tried:

@all at domain

Neither of them seem to work. I appreciate any advice/help anyone can offer.

Sincerely,
Aaron Ray

From Alessandro.Bruchi at iit.it  Tue Oct 19 12:48:47 2010
From: Alessandro.Bruchi at iit.it (Alessandro Bruchi)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 12:48:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] howto run multiple instances of mailman
In-Reply-To: <PC195201010180443100548b41bb22e@Notebook-09>
References: <C8DDF10F.54AB%joonho@a9.com>
	<PC195201010180443100548b41bb22e@Notebook-09>
Message-ID: <3E8C1B0F5B2161419B02BEC08536162548A4F34BDB@IITMXMBX.iit.local>

I all, who can explain me howto run multiple instances of mailman in a single host (one for different domain)?
Do I have to create different /etc/init.d/mailman?? 

Thank you
Bye
Alessandro

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Oct 19 15:49:08 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 06:49:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with accept_these_nonmembers using
	anotherlist in installation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=pvL7940MnzijR_gSX1kNv-zMDjTr7jV=eq7LU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201010190649080218816ecf22@MSAPIRO>

Aaron Ray wrote:
>
>The all at domain list contains every e-mail from the other 3 lists. So I am
>adding the all at domain mailing list to the other mailing list's
>accept_these_nonmembers sender filter with the following syntax:
>
>@all
>
>I have also tried:
>
>@all at domain
>
>Neither of them seem to work. I appreciate any advice/help anyone can offer.


You have to use the cPanel list name. This is the list name that is
used in web URLs. For most cPanel lists it is of the form
LISTNAME_DOMAIN.

Try

@all_domain

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From aray10 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 15:56:47 2010
From: aray10 at gmail.com (aray10 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:56:47 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with accept_these_nonmembers using
 anotherlist in installation
In-Reply-To: <PC195201010190649080218816ecf22@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <0016363b7980e98a580492f8a9a5@google.com>

Thanks Mark that did the trick. I saw that I had to use the cPanel listname  
elsewhere, but I was using the name listed in the table on cPanel's  
interface rather than the URL. It is working as expected now.

On Oct 19, 2010 9:49am, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> Aaron Ray wrote:

> >

> >The all at domain list contains every e-mail from the other 3 lists. So I am

> >adding the all at domain mailing list to the other mailing list's

> >accept_these_nonmembers sender filter with the following syntax:

> >

> >@all

> >

> >I have also tried:

> >

> >@all at domain

> >

> >Neither of them seem to work. I appreciate any advice/help anyone can  
> offer.





> You have to use the cPanel list name. This is the list name that is

> used in web URLs. For most cPanel lists it is of the form

> LISTNAME_DOMAIN.



> Try



> @all_domain



> --

> Mark Sapiro mark at msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,

> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan




From drew.tenenholz at isid.org  Tue Oct 19 20:53:45 2010
From: drew.tenenholz at isid.org (Drew Tenenholz)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:53:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Inadvertent Postings - Approved Header;
	how does it work?
Message-ID: <p06240865c8e39578ad8b@[192.168.201.53]>

All--

Sorry for the ridiculously simple question, but I'm pretty sure I don't quite understand how to prevent inadvertent postings; and we just managed to send a moderately embarrassing post.  

I want to use the Approved: <password> header in the message body to help with inadvertent postings as well as block most inappropriate posts. Will the following settings work?

1) Mailman 2.1.9 on Red Hat Linux.
2) All subscribers (including myself) have the moderation flag set ON.

3) My address is also listed as a List-Admin (which is appropriate)
4) Another user's address is listed as a List-Mod (which I think is appropriate)
5) This moderator's address happens to be in the accept_these_nonmembers list as well.

7) Other settings:
	default_member_moderation=YES
	member_moderation_action=HOLD
	generic_nonmember_action=HOLD


Test: SUCCESS!  If I send a post without any subject or body from my list-admin address, the post is held for moderation.

But, should I be clearing out the accept_these_nonmembers list as well?  Does receiving a post from an address in this list supercede/evade the moderation flag? Once correctly set, EVERYONE MUST use the Approved:<password> header, correct?

-- Drew Tenenholz

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 20 00:41:01 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 15:41:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Inadvertent Postings - Approved Header;
	how does it work?
In-Reply-To: <p06240865c8e39578ad8b@[192.168.201.53]>
Message-ID: <PC195201010191541010437de7a99f6@MSAPIRO>

Drew Tenenholz wrote:
>
>I want to use the Approved: <password> header in the message body to help with inadvertent postings as well as block most inappropriate posts. Will the following settings work?
>
>1) Mailman 2.1.9 on Red Hat Linux.
>2) All subscribers (including myself) have the moderation flag set ON.


Good.


>3) My address is also listed as a List-Admin (which is appropriate)
>4) Another user's address is listed as a List-Mod (which I think is appropriate)
>5) This moderator's address happens to be in the accept_these_nonmembers list as well.
>
>7) Other settings:
>	default_member_moderation=YES
>	member_moderation_action=HOLD
>	generic_nonmember_action=HOLD
>
>
>Test: SUCCESS!  If I send a post without any subject or body from my list-admin address, the post is held for moderation.
>
>But, should I be clearing out the accept_these_nonmembers list as well?  Does receiving a post from an address in this list supercede/evade the moderation flag? Once correctly set, EVERYONE MUST use the Approved:<password> header, correct?


If you want everyone to be required to use an Approved: header to post,
accept_these_nonmembers should be empty. If a non-member is in
accept_these_nonmembers with the above settings, a post from that
non-member (or a spoof of that non-member's address) will be accepted.

With accept_these_nonmembers empty, any post with a valid Approved:
header, whether or not from a member, will be accepted and all others
will be held.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From webmaster at smutees.com  Wed Oct 20 03:43:36 2010
From: webmaster at smutees.com (Webmaster)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:43:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] clearing nomail flags
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20101019214131.043510e0@mail.comcast.net>

I searched and found some old scripts to clear all of the nomail 
flags for every user in a mailing list but none of what I discovered 
work with version 2.1.13 which is what is on my server.  Can someone 
please point me to a way to clear all the nomail flags for a specific 
list?  Thanks!


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 20 14:40:07 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 05:40:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] clearing nomail flags
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20101019214131.043510e0@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <PC1952010102005400709219f48d260@MSAPIRO>

Webmaster wrote:

>I searched and found some old scripts to clear all of the nomail 
>flags for every user in a mailing list but none of what I discovered 
>work with version 2.1.13 which is what is on my server.  Can someone 
>please point me to a way to clear all the nomail flags for a specific 
>list?  Thanks!


The withlist script at <http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/reset_bounce.py>
(mirrored at
<http://fog.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~msapiro/scripts/reset_bounce.py> will clear
all "nomail by bounce" flags for a list. If you want to also clear
other nomail flags, you could change the first line of

        if mlist.getDeliveryStatus(member) == MemberAdaptor.BYBOUNCE:
            mlist.setDeliveryStatus(member, MemberAdaptor.ENABLED)
            count += 1

in the script to

        if mlist.getDeliveryStatus(member) <> MemberAdaptor.ENABLED:

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Wed Oct 20 14:53:30 2010
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:53:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.14 new features
In-Reply-To: <3E8C1B0F5B2161419B02BEC08536162548A4F34995@IITMXMBX.iit.local>
References: <4C62E62D.1080901@gmail.com>
	<PC1952010081207535603302b7fb182@Notebook-09>
	<3E8C1B0F5B2161419B02BEC08536162548A4F34995@IITMXMBX.iit.local>
Message-ID: <20101020125330.GA8970@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 03:46:31PM +0200, Alessandro Bruchi wrote:
> Do you know when mailman 2.1.14 will be included as package in some debian distribution?

The XSS patch, per 2010-September's announcement, seems to now be in
Debian's repositories:

    http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-mailman-hackers/2010-October/003355.html

    http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-mailman-hackers/2010-October/003360.html
    (et. seq.)

and

    http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-mailman-hackers/2010-October/003369.html

It appears that 'official' Mailman packages for lenny are a wee bit
behind upstream. 

I believe others on this list use the Umbungo packages on lenny
(Debian 5), without too many difficulties. YMMV.

(I don't really have the time to take on debian package maint, at the
moment.)

-- 
"Life was simple before World War II. After that, we had systems."
    -- Grace Hopper

From rmj at aviation.org  Wed Oct 20 14:55:05 2010
From: rmj at aviation.org (Robert M. Jenney)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:55:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newsletter bounce processing
Message-ID: <FC697D2619FA4C38AC4954095E3D8B8D@aviationPC>

Good morning,

 

**I send out newsletter A twice a month and want to be careful not to lose a
subscriber unless it's clear the address is invalid. Please comment on these
settings:

4.0 Threshold (default is 5.0)

90 Stale After (default is 7)

3 Disabled Warnings (default is 3)

14 Disabled Warning Interval (default is 7) 

 

**Also, I send out newsletter B once a month. Please comment on these
settings:

3.0 Threshold (default is 5.0)

120 Stale After (default is 7)

3 Disabled Warnings (default is 3)

21 Disabled Warning Interval (default is 7) 

 

**Finally, I assume the Disabled Warnings receive the same bounce processing
as the original newsletters. Correct?

 

Thanks for the great service, Bob Jenney

____________________________
Robert M. Jenney, Director
Aviation Safety Connection, Inc.
11 Lake Street, Unit #121
Wakefield, MA 01880 USA
rmj at aviation.org; (781) 245-1391
Go to  <http://aviation.org> http://aviation.org

 


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Oct 20 16:26:12 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:26:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newsletter bounce processing
In-Reply-To: <FC697D2619FA4C38AC4954095E3D8B8D@aviationPC>
Message-ID: <PC1952010102007261200939f48cf29@MSAPIRO>

Robert M. Jenney wrote:
>
>**I send out newsletter A twice a month and want to be careful not to lose a
>subscriber unless it's clear the address is invalid. Please comment on these
>settings:
>
>4.0 Threshold (default is 5.0)
>
>90 Stale After (default is 7)


90 may be higher than you want here. Assume post 1 bounces, post 2 does
not and post 3 does, if you want the score resulting from post 3 to be
1 rather than 2 because of the apparent successful delivery of post 2,
then you want stale after to be < 30.

You are correct that it must be > 15 or all prior bounce info will be
stale.


>3 Disabled Warnings (default is 3)
>
>14 Disabled Warning Interval (default is 7) 


See below.

> 
>
>**Also, I send out newsletter B once a month. Please comment on these
>settings:
>
>3.0 Threshold (default is 5.0)
>
>120 Stale After (default is 7)


The same applies here. In this case, this must be > 30 but should be
less than 60 if you want to require 3 consecutive bounces for disable.


>3 Disabled Warnings (default is 3)
>
>21 Disabled Warning Interval (default is 7) 


See below

> 
>
>**Finally, I assume the Disabled Warnings receive the same bounce processing
>as the original newsletters. Correct?


No. Once a member's delivery is disabled by bounce, any subsequent
bounces are logged as residual but otherwise ignored, so bounces or
non-bounces of the disabled warning have no effect. The only thing
which will prevent the member from being removed after (disabled
warnings) X (disabled warning interval) days is re-enabling delivery,
either by the member from the member options page or by the admin.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mcnutt at utk.edu  Wed Oct 20 22:09:46 2010
From: mcnutt at utk.edu (McNutt Jr, William R)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:09:46 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message for Single List Not Going Out
Message-ID: <0CD7A72044B75D478D36624D96C5D44103B494@kmbx2.utk.tennessee.edu>

I have a single list on my server that Is not sending messages out.  Other lists are operating normally.  

Where should I begin my diagnosis?

Bill


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 21 01:25:04 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:25:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message for Single List Not Going Out
In-Reply-To: <0CD7A72044B75D478D36624D96C5D44103B494@kmbx2.utk.tennessee.edu>
Message-ID: <PC195201010201625040968fa05df4c@MSAPIRO>

McNutt Jr, William R wrote:

>I have a single list on my server that Is not sending messages out.  Other lists are operating normally.  
>
>Where should I begin my diagnosis?


With Mailman's logs. in particular 'error' but also maybe 'locks'.

This could be a stale lock. See the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/noA9>.

Also, if your Mailman is not too recent, it could be a corrupt message
in lists/LISTNAME/digest.mbox (recent Mailman protects against this
stopping list mail, but it still affects digests).

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jon at brazoslink.net  Wed Oct 20 16:52:51 2010
From: jon at brazoslink.net (Jon Gardner)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Google distribution list as list admin
Message-ID: <6DD6A758-87BA-4774-8965-C473A01C5002@brazoslink.net>

I have a list admin who is using a Google distribution list as the admin email for a Mailman list. Whenever Mailman sends an administrative email, the Google server responds thus:

>> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>> 
>>  <email address of Google distribution list>
>> 
>> Technical details of permanent failure:
>> Bounce messages should not be posted to a mailinglist.


Apparently Google is misinterpreting the From/Return-Path address of "mailman-bounces at ..." as a bounce. Has anyone else run into this issue? Obviously the workaround is to not use a Google distribution list as a Mailman list admin, but I'd sorta like to figure out a real fix.

Jon


From barry at list.org  Thu Oct 21 17:54:44 2010
From: barry at list.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:54:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.14 new features
In-Reply-To: <20101020125330.GA8970@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>
References: <4C62E62D.1080901@gmail.com>
	<PC1952010081207535603302b7fb182@Notebook-09>
	<3E8C1B0F5B2161419B02BEC08536162548A4F34995@IITMXMBX.iit.local>
	<20101020125330.GA8970@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20101021115444.50f64af8@mission>

On Oct 20, 2010, at 01:53 PM, Adam McGreggor wrote:

>It appears that 'official' Mailman packages for lenny are a wee bit
>behind upstream. 
>
>I believe others on this list use the Umbungo packages on lenny
>(Debian 5), without too many difficulties. YMMV.
>
>(I don't really have the time to take on debian package maint, at the
>moment.)

Sadly, I do not either, but I am willing to help anyone who steps forward to
do so.

-Barry
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From b19141 at anl.gov  Thu Oct 21 21:18:44 2010
From: b19141 at anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:18:44 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.14 new features
In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Barry Warsaw <barry@list.org>'
	dated: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:54:44 -0400
Message-ID: <20101021191844.9B7B84D1EA@britaine.cis.anl.gov>

On Oct 20, 2010, at 01:53 PM, Adam McGreggor wrote:

>>It appears that 'official' Mailman packages for lenny are a wee bit
>>behind upstream.
>>
>>I believe others on this list use the Umbungo packages on lenny
>>(Debian 5), without too many difficulties. YMMV.
>>
>>(I don't really have the time to take on debian package maint, at the
>>moment.)

Barry Warsaw <barry at list.org> replied:
>Sadly, I do not either, but I am willing to help anyone who steps
>forward to do so.
>
>-Barry

As I have posted before, I looked at the Debian packaging for
Mailman, and I found there are lots of patches (most undocumented
as to what they do).  There was one patch that removed a library
that may be needed.  And one security of three I researched had
different code in Debian/Ubuntu than in SourceForge.  I assume that
the Debian/Ubuntu patch that differed fixed the security problem,
but I can not be sure.  After following the discussions on
mailman-users where users were running non-SourceForge code, I decided
that I had to take the SourceForge code and build a Mailman package.
It took me a while to discover exactly what to do, but once I did it
(IIRC for 2.1.9), I have had no trouble building packages for 10
through 14.  I can send my steps to anyone who wants them.  My Mailman
machines are still Ubuntu/dapper, but I assume that my steps would work
unchanged on any later release of Debian/Ubuntu.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
Building 240, Room 5.B.8             Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov
Argonne, IL   60439-4828             IBMMAIL:  I1004994


From ifetch at du.edu  Fri Oct 22 05:08:23 2010
From: ifetch at du.edu (Ivan Fetch)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:08:23 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Frequent use of clone_member
Message-ID: <79C2D3933C76AB41B6D135F3480AC5C957C46D16@EXCH.du.edu>

Hello,

We are changing student email from mailboxes, to forwarding addresses. Among other challenges, we are exploring various ways to deal with students who are subscribed to closed (only subscribers may post) mailing lists.

(There are a lot of similar challenges when switching to an email forwarding model - any list members who have gone through this, I would love to pick your brain!)

One possibility we're exploring, is to change a student's mailing list subscriptions, when they change their forwarding address. We would iterate through these address changes and run clone_member, like:

Clone_member --remove --admin  old at our.domain new at outside.domain

We could end up processing as many as 500 address changes nightly (running clone_member for each one), with each run of clone_member iterating through all mailing lists. I'm concerned that this is much more than clone_member was intended for.

Can Mailman developers or heavy uses of Mailman comment on this?

Thanks very much,

Ivan.


From stephen at xemacs.org  Fri Oct 22 06:12:30 2010
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:12:30 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Frequent use of clone_member
In-Reply-To: <79C2D3933C76AB41B6D135F3480AC5C957C46D16@EXCH.du.edu>
References: <79C2D3933C76AB41B6D135F3480AC5C957C46D16@EXCH.du.edu>
Message-ID: <878w1qlvbl.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Ivan Fetch writes:

 > One possibility we're exploring, is to change a student's mailing
 > list subscriptions, when they change their forwarding address. We
 > would iterate through these address changes and run clone_member,
 > like:
 > 
 > Clone_member --remove --admin  old at our.domain new at outside.domain

I can't really comment on the burden on the host, but ISTM that this
would be a substantial burden on the students.  They would have to
remember which account is their real account to make any changes, or
to post.  This might be non-trivial for students with multiple
mailboxes.

How about having the forwarding address setup update
accept_these_nonmembers, instead?

Also, what are you going to do about the old forwarding address?  It
seems likely that in many cases students will want to do things like
receive on their cellphone account but sometimes post from their home
ISP, etc.  Then they change back, creating a real muddle.  OTOH,
allowing dead or dormant accounts to post is a potential issue.


From juandarcy2000 at jjwifi.com  Fri Oct 22 06:40:56 2010
From: juandarcy2000 at jjwifi.com (Juan Carlos Mendoza D'Arcy)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:40:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how send newsletter without the from list-bounce
Message-ID: <A771BC04-38C1-41B9-BB75-4E2E2B0B8B73@jjwifi.com>

everytime i sent a newsletter i have the moderate bit for all user to  
avoid people send a message to all my list so when i sent a  
newsletter i have to accept it in the web interface of mailman but  
the email is sent from mylist-bounce at mydomain.com so how can i accept  
the message and the mail i sent to all my list only appears  
mylist at mydomain.com with out the -bounce

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From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 22 09:35:17 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 00:35:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how send newsletter without the from list-bounce
In-Reply-To: <A771BC04-38C1-41B9-BB75-4E2E2B0B8B73@jjwifi.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520101022003517001505058a60@MSAPIRO>

Juan Carlos Mendoza D'Arcy wrote:
>
>everytime i sent a newsletter i have the moderate bit for all user to  
>avoid people send a message to all my list so when i sent a  
>newsletter i have to accept it in the web interface of mailman but  
>the email is sent from mylist-bounce at mydomain.com so how can i accept  
>the message and the mail i sent to all my list only appears  
>mylist at mydomain.com with out the -bounce


Please try to be more detailed and specific as to exactly what your
problem is. If you go to the web interface and accept the message, it
should be delivered to the list, so I don't understand the issue.

If you are trying to approve the message by replying to the held
message notice, you need to reply to the message/rfc822 attached part
which is From: LISTNAME-request at ... with Subject: confirm <token> so
your reply
goes to LISTNAME-request at ... with the same Subject:, but note that if
you just reply in that way, the message will be discarded. In order to
accept the message, you need to include an Approved: <password>
header, and if you are going to do that, you might as well just include
that in the original post so it isn't held in the first place.

You may find the FAQs at <http://wiki.list.org/x/3YA9> and
<http://wiki.list.org/x/RoA9> of interest.


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From marshall at cliffhanger.com  Sat Oct 23 16:08:19 2010
From: marshall at cliffhanger.com (Dale & Lora Marshall)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:08:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman mailing lists are gone!
In-Reply-To: <20101021191844.9B7B84D1EA@britaine.cis.anl.gov>
Message-ID: <8CD40D2E12BFAB8-1960-604E@web-mmc-m08.sysops.aol.com>


Using Mailman version: 2.1.12rc2

For some reason all of my mailing lists are now disconnected from mailman.  There is data in /usr/local/mailman/lists, and also lots of data in the archives/private dir.  But when I try to go to the admin page on any list I get a "list does not exist" message.  I did a yum update the other day.

What has happened and how do I fix it?
 
Second question:

In my Apache logfile I'm getting the following warning:

[Sat Oct 23 09:44:08 2010] [warn] The Alias directive in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf at line 583 will probably never match because it overlaps an earlier Alias.
[Sat Oct 23 09:44:08 2010] [warn] The ScriptAlias directive in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf at line 584 will probably never match because it overlaps an earlier ScriptAlias.

The two lines in question are:

#
#       MailMan Settings
#
Alias       /pipermail/  "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/"
ScriptAlias /mailman/    "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"

I don't remember seeing this before I did a yum update the other day.

Thanks.

- Dale


 


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From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct 23 17:12:38 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 08:12:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman mailing lists are gone!
In-Reply-To: <8CD40D2E12BFAB8-1960-604E@web-mmc-m08.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201010230812380062539c7a64@MSAPIRO>

Dale & Lora Marshall wrote:
>
>Using Mailman version: 2.1.12rc2
>
>For some reason all of my mailing lists are now disconnected from mailman.  There is data in /usr/local/mailman/lists, and also lots of data in the archives/private dir.  But when I try to go to the admin page on any list I get a "list does not exist" message.  I did a yum update the other day.
>
>What has happened and how do I fix it?


I haven't a clue?

What did you update with Yum?

Do you see any lists on the admin or listinfo overview pages?

What does /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_lists report?


>Second question:
>
>In my Apache logfile I'm getting the following warning:
>
>[Sat Oct 23 09:44:08 2010] [warn] The Alias directive in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf at line 583 will probably never match because it overlaps an earlier Alias.
>[Sat Oct 23 09:44:08 2010] [warn] The ScriptAlias directive in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf at line 584 will probably never match because it overlaps an earlier ScriptAlias.
>
>The two lines in question are:
>
>#
>#       MailMan Settings
>#
>Alias       /pipermail/  "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/"
>ScriptAlias /mailman/    "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"
>
>I don't remember seeing this before I did a yum update the other day.


Aha. Now I have a clue. The Yum update most likely installed a Mailman
package which is now being accessed by Apache and has no lists. There
is most likeley now a /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman file containing "Alias
      /pipermail/" and "ScriptAlias /mailman/" directives pointing to
this new installation. Remove that file. Then you'll also have to
figure out if other things such as aliases or other MTA stuff were
clobbered by the Yum update. Possibly just doing "yum remove mailman"
will fix things as long as there are no other conflicts between the
package yum installed and your existing Mailman.


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From marshall at cliffhanger.com  Sat Oct 23 17:35:40 2010
From: marshall at cliffhanger.com (Dale & Lora Marshall)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:35:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman mailing lists are gone!
In-Reply-To: <PC195201010230812380062539c7a64@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <8CD40DF15204084-11B4-6F90@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com>


 

I did a yum update and then a "yum install mailman".  I run a server with a lot of domains on it and a few of them have mailing lists but not all.

list_lists reports 17 mailing lists which is I believe correct.

There was a mailman.conf file in the conf.d dir.  Thanks!  I moved it to a different name (just in case) and now I can at least see the two lists I maintain.  I'll email the guy with the other lists and see if he's ok now.

Thanks again!

- Dale



 


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-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>
To: Dale & Lora Marshall <marshall at cliffhanger.com>; mailman-users at python.org
Sent: Sat, Oct 23, 2010 10:12 am
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman mailing lists are gone!


Dale & Lora Marshall wrote:

>

>Using Mailman version: 2.1.12rc2

>

>For some reason all of my mailing lists are now disconnected from mailman.  

There is data in /usr/local/mailman/lists, and also lots of data in the 

archives/private dir.  But when I try to go to the admin page on any list I get 

a "list does not exist" message.  I did a yum update the other day.

>

>What has happened and how do I fix it?





I haven't a clue?



What did you update with Yum?



Do you see any lists on the admin or listinfo overview pages?



What does /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_lists report?





>Second question:

>

>In my Apache logfile I'm getting the following warning:

>

>[Sat Oct 23 09:44:08 2010] [warn] The Alias directive in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf 

at line 583 will probably never match because it overlaps an earlier Alias.

>[Sat Oct 23 09:44:08 2010] [warn] The ScriptAlias directive in 

/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf at line 584 will probably never match because it 

overlaps an earlier ScriptAlias.

>

>The two lines in question are:

>

>#

>#       MailMan Settings

>#

>Alias       /pipermail/  "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/"

>ScriptAlias /mailman/    "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"

>

>I don't remember seeing this before I did a yum update the other day.





Aha. Now I have a clue. The Yum update most likely installed a Mailman

package which is now being accessed by Apache and has no lists. There

is most likeley now a /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman file containing "Alias

      /pipermail/" and "ScriptAlias /mailman/" directives pointing to

this new installation. Remove that file. Then you'll also have to

figure out if other things such as aliases or other MTA stuff were

clobbered by the Yum update. Possibly just doing "yum remove mailman"

will fix things as long as there are no other conflicts between the

package yum installed and your existing Mailman.





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From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct 23 18:15:28 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 09:15:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman mailing lists are gone!
In-Reply-To: <8CD40DF15204084-11B4-6F90@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952010102309152802182d227cf6@MSAPIRO>

Dale & Lora Marshall wrote:
>
>I did a yum update and then a "yum install mailman".


That was your mistake. Your Mailman was apparently installed from a
source distribution, not from a yum package. You should not have done
"yum install mailman" and you should probably now do "yum remove
mailman" so that a future yum update does not create the same problem.

If you want to update Mailman, dounload the current version from
<https://launchpad.net/mailman/2.1/2.1.14> and configure and install
it.

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From marshall at cliffhanger.com  Sat Oct 23 18:17:28 2010
From: marshall at cliffhanger.com (Dale & Lora Marshall)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 12:17:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Server name change - how?
Message-ID: <8CD40E4EBCD7CC0-11B4-7126@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com>


When I originally set up mailman my server had a name that wasn't in DNS.  I have since changed the name of my server to something that is in DNS.  But, emails that go out still reference the old name and some messages are bouncing because the recipient does a DNS check on incoming emails.

How can this be fixed?

Thanks.

- Dale


 

 


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From frank.vandamme at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 18:32:19 2010
From: frank.vandamme at gmail.com (Frank Van Damme)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 18:32:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Server name change - how?
In-Reply-To: <8CD40E4EBCD7CC0-11B4-7126@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD40E4EBCD7CC0-11B4-7126@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikf_h8F-EJOEr3ONVszcU7Bs-0aeZgbrRmD1y2i@mail.gmail.com>

2010/10/23 Dale & Lora Marshall <marshall at cliffhanger.com>:
>
> When I originally set up mailman my server had a name that wasn't in DNS. ?I have since changed the name of my server to something that is in DNS. ?But, emails that go out still reference the old name and some messages are bouncing because the recipient does a DNS check on incoming emails.
>
> How can this be fixed?
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Dale

It's probably in the configuration of the mailing list itself
(directive host_name I would guess).


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From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct 23 18:37:45 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 09:37:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Server name change - how?
In-Reply-To: <8CD40E4EBCD7CC0-11B4-7126@web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952010102309374507656dff182a@MSAPIRO>

Dale & Lora Marshall wrote:
>
>When I originally set up mailman my server had a name that wasn't in DNS.  I have since changed the name of my server to something that is in DNS.  But, emails that go out still reference the old name and some messages are bouncing because the recipient does a DNS check on incoming emails.
>
>How can this be fixed?


As far as Mailman is concerned, the domain used in all email from a
list is the list's host_name attribute which is near the bottom of the
list's General Options web admin page. You can set the for a given
list from that page and/or set appropriate values for
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and add_virtualhost directives in mm_cfg.py and run
fix_url to update existing lists. See the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/gIA9>.

Note, if the list's host_name is what you want, but outgoing mail
references a different domain, it is probably due to your MTA
rewriting the domain. Fixing this is an MTA question, but see the FAQ
at <http://wiki.list.org/x/uYA9>.


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From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct 24 20:58:43 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 11:58:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Google distribution list as list admin
In-Reply-To: <6DD6A758-87BA-4774-8965-C473A01C5002@brazoslink.net>
Message-ID: <PC19520101024115843068722db859a@MSAPIRO>

Jon Gardner wrote:

>I have a list admin who is using a Google distribution list as the admin email for a Mailman list. Whenever Mailman sends an administrative email, the Google server responds thus:
>
>>> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>>> 
>>>  <email address of Google distribution list>
>>> 
>>> Technical details of permanent failure:
>>> Bounce messages should not be posted to a mailinglist.
>
>
>Apparently Google is misinterpreting the From/Return-Path address of "mailman-bounces at ..." as a bounce. Has anyone else run into this issue? Obviously the workaround is to not use a Google distribution list as a Mailman list admin, but I'd sorta like to figure out a real fix.


If Google is misinterpreting the envelope sender (Return-Path) as
meaning the message is a bounce DSN, that is Google's problem and up
to Google to fix.

If Google is looking at the Sender: header, see the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/RoA9>, particularly the 2.1.14 note at the
bottom.

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From skip at pobox.com  Mon Oct 25 04:31:25 2010
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 21:31:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A rare moment
In-Reply-To: <4CB25969.6030907@bradakis.com>
References: <4CB25969.6030907@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <19652.60413.283564.234038@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Mark> With 60 or so lists and 12,000+ subscribers around the

    Mark> globe it is easy to get behind.  I've seen 10,000 or more

    Mark> held messages at times.  Today, though:

    Mark> 

    Mark> autox /local/mailman/teamnet/data  131 :: ls held*

    Mark> ls: No match.


Mark,

That's a pleasant sight, I agree.  (I'm a former member of both the triumphs
and british-car lists, though not for several years.  I appreciate all the
time and effort you put into maintaining team.net.)

I help manage the python.org mailing lists.  In fact, I came across your
mail while doing a bit of backend triage this evening.

To help with the process, a couple years ago I wrote a script to help me
quickly process held messages:

    http://www.smontanaro.net/python/mmfold.py

I invoke it from a shell function which executes it once for each list I
admin or moderate:

    mmcheck () 
    { 
	for url in
	http://mail.python.org/mailman/admindb/pydotorg-checkins?admpw=XXXXXX
	http://mail.python.org/mailman/admindb/python-bugs-list?admpw=XXXXXX
	http://mail.python.org/mailman/admindb/python-list?admpw=XXXXXX
	...
	do
	    mmfold $url;
	done
    }

then just step through the pages it generates.  Information for each held
message is displayed in a single line and the default action is to discard,
which I find is the most useful action.

Maybe it will help to keep your held message lists down under 1,000.

Cheers,

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From mj at mjw.se  Mon Oct 25 02:52:52 2010
From: mj at mjw.se (mattias)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 02:52:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] trouble
Message-ID: <000501cb73de$f430bd80$f717e255@mj>

Have run a mailman install on my centos 5.5 server
Installed from centos repo
I have added
MTA = 'Postfix' to mm_cfg.py
But the aliases don't go to the aliases file
So posting to my lists not work


From mike at maughan.co.uk  Mon Oct 25 15:55:43 2010
From: mike at maughan.co.uk (Mike Maughan)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:55:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-generating messages "to the list",
	instead of "to the member"
Message-ID: <AANLkTikGMtrHH2P0KsLXzVFPsGaZ2226-vmBUKRn5vGn@mail.gmail.com>

Afternoon all,

Amongst others I run a mailman list for our family history society (The
Maughan Society) and like many such lists we get quite a lot of new members
"dropping in" with a specific query then "dropping out" again once they have
that specific question answered.

Our community aims to keep interested members and to grow in numbers, so one
specific moderation task has been to post a "welcome to new member xxxxx"
message to the list to draw the new member in to discuss their interests and
hopefully to become engaged with the community.  So far, this has been an
entirely manual task but has suffered at times as I and the other moderators
are getting on a bit and periodically go offline with one medical
complication or another.  This can mean that the potential member has gotten
bored and moved on if we haven't responded within the magic 3-day period.

Is there any way I can set up MM to send predefined posts to the list (as
opposed to direct to the poster) on receipt of various triggers?

Also on a related note, is there a way to default MM to put all new members
on moderation by default, perhaps until they have made nn posts?

Regards, Mike

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 25 16:13:44 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 07:13:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] trouble
In-Reply-To: <000501cb73de$f430bd80$f717e255@mj>
Message-ID: <PC195201010250713440062dc4f6fea@MSAPIRO>

mattias wrote:

>Have run a mailman install on my centos 5.5 server
>Installed from centos repo


Have you asked for help on a CentOS forum?

Have you looked at /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.9/INSTALL.REDHAT ?


>I have added
>MTA = 'Postfix' to mm_cfg.py
>But the aliases don't go to the aliases file
>So posting to my lists not work


In RedHat/CentOS, with MTA = 'Postfix', Mailman should create aliases
in /etc/mailman/aliases. Is that file referenced in alias_maps in
Postfix main.cf?

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From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 25 16:25:40 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 07:25:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-generating messages "to the list",
	instead of "to the member"
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikGMtrHH2P0KsLXzVFPsGaZ2226-vmBUKRn5vGn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201010250725400843935167b3@MSAPIRO>

Mike Maughan wrote:
>
>Is there any way I can set up MM to send predefined posts to the list (as
>opposed to direct to the poster) on receipt of various triggers?


I don't think so. Depending on the nature of the triggers, it may be
possible to do this outside of Mailman with some other process that
posts to the list.


>Also on a related note, is there a way to default MM to put all new members
>on moderation by default, perhaps until they have made nn posts?


Set Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> default_member_moderation
to Yes. This will moderate new members by default. There is no way to
automatically set moderation off after nn posts, but the moderator
summary interface contains a check box to clear a members moderation
flag for posts from moderated members so it is easy to do this
manually when approving the moderated member's post.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mike at maughan.co.uk  Mon Oct 25 16:41:54 2010
From: mike at maughan.co.uk (Mike Maughan)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:41:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-generating messages "to the list",
 instead of "to the member"
In-Reply-To: <PC195201010250725400843935167b3@MSAPIRO>
References: <AANLkTikGMtrHH2P0KsLXzVFPsGaZ2226-vmBUKRn5vGn@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC195201010250725400843935167b3@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimL6+0H3OqQ0SNCMcm6LjuO-d_=Z8Og3M5F66aO@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Mark.

Don't you ever sleep? :))

Regards, Mike




On 25 October 2010 15:25, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> Mike Maughan wrote:
> >
> >Is there any way I can set up MM to send predefined posts to the list (as
> >opposed to direct to the poster) on receipt of various triggers?
>
>
> I don't think so. Depending on the nature of the triggers, it may be
> possible to do this outside of Mailman with some other process that
> posts to the list.
>
>
> >Also on a related note, is there a way to default MM to put all new
> members
> >on moderation by default, perhaps until they have made nn posts?
>
>
> Set Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> default_member_moderation
> to Yes. This will moderate new members by default. There is no way to
> automatically set moderation off after nn posts, but the moderator
> summary interface contains a check box to clear a members moderation
> flag for posts from moderated members so it is easy to do this
> manually when approving the moderated member's post.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Oct 25 16:45:40 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 07:45:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] howto run multiple instances of mailman
In-Reply-To: <3E8C1B0F5B2161419B02BEC08536162548A4F34BDB@IITMXMBX.iit.local>
Message-ID: <PC19520101025074540075090285396@MSAPIRO>

Alessandro Bruchi wrote:

>I all, who can explain me howto run multiple instances of mailman in a single host (one for different domain)?
>Do I have to create different /etc/init.d/mailman?? 


Each instance of Mailman needs to be configured with a unique value for
prefix (and var-prefix if different from prefix), and each instance
needs to be started by its own $prefix/bin/malmanctl. Whether you have
separate /etc/init.d/ scripts for each instance or combine them all
into one is up to you.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dma+mailman at witbe.net  Mon Oct 25 15:53:18 2010
From: dma+mailman at witbe.net (Daniel Maher)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:53:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] trouble
In-Reply-To: <000501cb73de$f430bd80$f717e255@mj>
References: <000501cb73de$f430bd80$f717e255@mj>
Message-ID: <4CC58BCE.3000804@witbe.net>

On 10/25/2010 02:52 AM, mattias wrote:
> Have run a mailman install on my centos 5.5 server
> Installed from centos repo
> I have added
> MTA = 'Postfix' to mm_cfg.py
> But the aliases don't go to the aliases file
> So posting to my lists not work


You also need to specify the aliases file in Postfix :

/etc/postfix$ grep ^alias_maps main.cf
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/mailman/aliases


-- 
Daniel Maher <dma PLUS mailman AT witbe DOT net>
"The Internet is completely over." -- Prince

From terri at zone12.com  Tue Oct 26 21:54:31 2010
From: terri at zone12.com (Terri Oda)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:54:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives! Two neat demos from my GSoC students
Message-ID: <4CC731F7.9000407@zone12.com>

As some of you may know, Mailman had a bunch of Google Summer of Code 
students working on our codebase via Systers, which hired students to do 
improvements on their Mailman-based list infrastructure.

I was mentoring for the project which worked on the archives, where we 
had two students, Yian Shang who worked on the web interface for the 
archives, and Priya Iyer who worked on integrating search.  They've 
produced some great demos that you all need to see, and some code that 
I'd really like to see integrated into Mailman 3.

I was going to forward their final summaries to the lists, but since 
they're quite long, here's the things I'd like you all to check out 
first and foremost.  There's two neat demos here!

#1:

Yian's been working on a variety of UI infrastructure improvements (note 
that in this case, she's working at the code to support the UI, not the 
graphics and theming, so this may not *look* fancy but it *behaves* 
really well)

Her threaded conversation demo is here:
http://dev.systers.org/pipermail/testing/all/conversation-3.html

and note that you can actually click through and read messages there, so 
try poking around those archives and see how you like them!

And you might be interested in hearing about the use cases that went 
into threading and quote detection that made that demo possible.  Many 
of you may have answered the surveys I sent out on her behalf which were 
used to generate these use cases!  She's got a whole series of posts on 
it, but here's one of interest:
http://movicont.nfshost.com/blog/mailman-archives-ui-added-automatically-detecting-quotes-support

#2:

Priya's search demo is here:
http://lists.priyakuber.in/cgi-bin/mailman/mailocate/search.py

She'd originally hoped to find and integrate an existing search package, 
but licensing proved to be an issue for upstream contribution, so she 
wound up implementing her own.  You can search a string, a phrase, 
wildcard searches with *, by author, by subject, and using some basic 
operators (AND OR NOT all work).  It's got a basic spell check, though 
she expects that will need to be improved.

The documentation is here: 
http://systers.org/systers-dev/doku.php/doumentation-priya
And the code is here: 
http://github.com/beachbrake/Mailocate/tree/master/demo/

-----

I've cc'ed mailman-users on this email since many people there contributed to the surveys we used to develop use-cases, but follow-ups should probably go to mailman-developers!


 Terri


From melinko2003 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 27 07:02:20 2010
From: melinko2003 at gmail.com (Llewellyn Curran)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 22:02:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Follow up to a Lock problem.
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=8ZZ+KhuwMk-aSc0x=A4VaPpeye3Q7xMSKuvEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I've summarized my issue below, and I would like to say I have around 215K
subscribers on a Dedicated Server With a Quad Xeon CPU and 4GB's Ram. Most
notably Mailman chews up around 2GB's+ of Ram but completely max's my CPU
usage in top on CentOS. Python runs about 98% to 100% - I suspect this is
from a mail drop going on however it doesn't explain below. Please read on.

Mailman Version: 2.1.9

Symptoms:
I had an issue a month or so ago where my web interface on "
http://mysite.com/mailman/admin/mylist" would lock up on login, and I
couldnt access that list. The other lists I could access no problems. I was
guided to  the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/noA9> by Mark S. and that
temporarily relieved the problem. I find now that I have to completely
delete my locks everytime I want to go to a new location in the admin
interface. I have included some errors from the locks log below. Can you
assist me?

Errors:
[root at x mailman]# tail -50 /var/log/mailman/locks
Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763)   File
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 115, in _dispose
Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763)
mlist.Lock(timeout=mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT)
Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",
line 161, in Lock
Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763)     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py",
line 287, in lock
Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763)     self.__linkcount(), important=True)
Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py",
line 416, in __writelog
Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763)     traceback.print_stack(file=logf)
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) xlt.lock unexpected linkcount: 1
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line
278, in ?
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     main()
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line
238, in main
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     qrunner.run()
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 71, in run
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     filecnt = self._oneloop()
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 112, in _oneloop
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 170, in _onefile
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg,
msgdata)
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/VirginRunner.py", line 38, in _dispose
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     return IncomingRunner._dispose(self, mlist,
msg, msgdata)
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 115, in _dispose
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)
mlist.Lock(timeout=mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT)
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",
line 161, in Lock
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py",
line 287, in lock
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     self.__linkcount(), important=True)
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py",
line 416, in __writelog
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     traceback.print_stack(file=logf)
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) xlt.lock unexpected linkcount: 1
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line
278, in ?
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     main()
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line
238, in main
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     qrunner.run()
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 71, in run
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     filecnt = self._oneloop()
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 112, in _oneloop
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 170, in _onefile
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg,
msgdata)
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/VirginRunner.py", line 38, in _dispose
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     return IncomingRunner._dispose(self, mlist,
msg, msgdata)
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 115, in _dispose
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)
mlist.Lock(timeout=mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT)
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",
line 161, in Lock
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py",
line 287, in lock
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     self.__linkcount(), important=True)
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py",
line 416, in __writelog
Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     traceback.print_stack(file=logf)
[root at x mailman]#

-- 
Llewellyn G.S. Curran

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Oct 28 23:50:14 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:50:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Follow up to a Lock problem.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=8ZZ+KhuwMk-aSc0x=A4VaPpeye3Q7xMSKuvEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC19520101028145014078144485d9b@MSAPIRO>

Llewellyn Curran wrote:
>
>I have included some errors from the locks log below. Can you
>assist me?
>
>Errors:
>[root at x mailman]# tail -50 /var/log/mailman/locks
>Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763)   File
>"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 115, in _dispose
>Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763)
>mlist.Lock(timeout=mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT)
>Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",
>line 161, in Lock
>Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763)     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
>Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py",
>line 287, in lock
>Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763)     self.__linkcount(), important=True)
>Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py",
>line 416, in __writelog
>Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763)     traceback.print_stack(file=logf)
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) xlt.lock unexpected linkcount: 1
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line
>278, in ?
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     main()
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line
>238, in main
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     qrunner.run()
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
>"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 71, in run
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     filecnt = self._oneloop()
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
>"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 112, in _oneloop
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
>"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 170, in _onefile
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg,
>msgdata)
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
>"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/VirginRunner.py", line 38, in _dispose
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     return IncomingRunner._dispose(self, mlist,
>msg, msgdata)
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
>"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 115, in _dispose
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)
>mlist.Lock(timeout=mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT)
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",
>line 161, in Lock
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py",
>line 287, in lock
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     self.__linkcount(), important=True)
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py",
>line 416, in __writelog
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     traceback.print_stack(file=logf)
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) xlt.lock unexpected linkcount: 1
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line
>278, in ?
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     main()
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line
>238, in main
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     qrunner.run()
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
>"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 71, in run
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     filecnt = self._oneloop()
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
>"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 112, in _oneloop
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
>"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 170, in _onefile
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg,
>msgdata)
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
>"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/VirginRunner.py", line 38, in _dispose
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     return IncomingRunner._dispose(self, mlist,
>msg, msgdata)
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File
>"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 115, in _dispose
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)
>mlist.Lock(timeout=mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT)
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",
>line 161, in Lock
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py",
>line 287, in lock
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     self.__linkcount(), important=True)
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py",
>line 416, in __writelog
>Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763)     traceback.print_stack(file=logf)
>[root at x mailman]#


When we attempt to obtain a lock, the process attempting the lock first
writes a file named, e.g. <listname>.lock.<hostname>.<pid>.<counter>
and then attempts to create a hard link to that file named
<listname>.lock.

In the case above, the OS returned an EEXIST error to the attempted
link meaning that the <listname>.lock file existed (xlt.lock in this
case), but 'unexpected linkcount: 1' says that file is not linked to
any <listname>.lock.<hostname>.<pid>.<counter> file or any other file.

When this happens, the contents of that xlt.lock file should give the
hostname and pid of the process that obtained the lock. That may help.

Also see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/_4A9> for information about
ensuring that only one mailmanctl and one set of qrunners are running
and make sure that's the case.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de  Fri Oct 29 13:33:36 2010
From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 13:33:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Definition of get_site_email in Utils.py
Message-ID: <F2A221512B3E0420BCFBBB48@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>

Hi,

we recently moved our Mailman server from a RHEL 3 machine running Mailman 
2.1.9 to a RHEL 5 system running Mailman 2.1.14. Everything went very 
smoothly, but today I noticed one small issue. For various reasons we use 
'lists.uni-koeln.de' as URL_HOST, but as EMAIL_HOST we use 'uni-koeln.de'. 
So the address for the sitelist is mailman at uni-koeln.de. On the old system 
we were able to receive mail for @lists.uni-koeln.de addresses as well, but 
on the new system we can't. But the listinfo CGI uses 
mailman at lists.uni-koeln.de as the site address. I checked out the code, but 
didn't really understand it ? I'm more of a Perl guy ;)

def get_site_email(hostname=None, extra=None):
    if hostname is None:
        hostname = mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOSTS.get(get_domain(), get_domain())
    if extra is None:
        return '%s@%s' % (mm_cfg.MAILMAN_SITE_LIST, hostname)
    return '%s-%s@%s' % (mm_cfg.MAILMAN_SITE_LIST, extra, hostname)

Shouldn't that use the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST instead? I fixed our specific 
problem by hardcoding the return value, but it seems to me that could be a 
more general issue ...

Thanks, Sebastian
-- 
     .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Geb?ude 52), Zimmer 18.:.
                 .:.Regionales Rechenzentrum (RRZK).:.
.:.Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - ? +49-221-478-5587.:.

From TW150001 at ncr.com  Fri Oct 29 16:46:15 2010
From: TW150001 at ncr.com (Williams, Theona)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:46:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] API version 1012-module hangul 1011 runtime error
Message-ID: <FD135403A19B4F4EBCB152A745AD72F70501F41882@susday212.corp.ncr.com>

Hi,
The server on which Mailman was installed was upgraded from Linux 3 to 4 to 5 (32 bit). Mailman no longer works on this server. I am receiving the error:
/u004/mailman/pythonlib/korean/hangul.py:24: RuntimeWarning: Python C API versio
n mismatch for module hangul: This Python has API version 1012, module hangul ha
s version 1011.
  from korean.c.hangul import *
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./mailmanctl", line 548, in ?
    main()
  File "./mailmanctl", line 367, in main
    check_for_site_list()
  File "./mailmanctl", line 277, in check_for_site_list
    sitelist = MailList(sitelistname, lock=0)
  File "/u004/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/u004/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 629, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(file)
  File "/u004/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 595, in __load
    fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/u004/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck

How do I go about resolving this problem? I am running
Mailman version 2.1.9.  Currently,  Python 2.4.3 is on the server but I believe Mailman was originally built with a lower version of Python.

Thanks,
Theona





From adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk  Fri Oct 29 17:27:34 2010
From: adam-mailman at amyl.org.uk (Adam McGreggor)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:27:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] API version 1012-module hangul 1011
	runtime	error
In-Reply-To: <FD135403A19B4F4EBCB152A745AD72F70501F41882@susday212.corp.ncr.com>
References: <FD135403A19B4F4EBCB152A745AD72F70501F41882@susday212.corp.ncr.com>
Message-ID: <20101029152734.GV4740@hendricks.amyl.org.uk>

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:46:15AM -0400, Williams, Theona wrote:
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/u004/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck
> 
> How do I go about resolving this problem?

The clue might be in there ("IOError..."). What are the permissions on that
file/directory. 

Maybe look at bin/check_perms (I don't think I've seen a fix to the
Debian '/var/lib/mailman' symlink issue (see this list's archive) committed)


-- 
"All women become like their mothers. That is their tragedy. No man
 does. That's his."
    -- The Importance of Being Earnest

From b19141 at anl.gov  Fri Oct 29 18:03:16 2010
From: b19141 at anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:03:16 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] An Anonymous, No-reply List
Message-ID: <20101029160317.00EE14D27B@britaine.cis.anl.gov>

I have a customer who wants a announce-only list.  She does not want
any replies to the list or to the poster.

In production we are running 2.1.13, and I have 2.1.14 on my test
machine.  We made the list anonymous

     anonymous_list = yes

and the resulting mail from the list has a header line:

     Reply-To: LISTNAME at nodename

so all replies go back to the list.  I tried

     reply_goes_to_list - Explicit address
     reply_to_address: user at example.com

and the resulting mail from the list has a header line:

     Reply-To: user at example.com, LISTNAME at nodename

This results in replies going to both the list and to the explicit
address.  What I want is either

     a) no "Reply-To:" line in the RFC 5322 mail header (With no
        sender info nor reply info, I have no idea the address to which
        an MUA will direct any reply.)
or
     b) Reply-To: user at example.com

Is this possible?  If not, then we will have to set

     member_moderation_action = Reject
     member_moderation_notice = Some polite text - This is an outbound
                                                   list only.

Thanks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
Building 240, Room 5.B.8             Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov
Argonne, IL   60439-4828             IBMMAIL:  I1004994


From ckoeber at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 18:39:33 2010
From: ckoeber at gmail.com (Christopher Kurtis Koeber)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:39:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] An Anonymous, No-reply List
In-Reply-To: <20101029160317.00EE14D27B@britaine.cis.anl.gov>
References: <20101029160317.00EE14D27B@britaine.cis.anl.gov>
Message-ID: <005001cb7787$de826950$9b873bf0$@com>

>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: mailman-users-bounces+ckoeber=gmail.com at python.org
>    [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+ckoeber=gmail.com at python.org] On
>    Behalf Of Barry Finkel
>    Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:03 PM
>    To: Mailman-Users at python.org
>    Subject: [Mailman-Users] An Anonymous, No-reply List
>    
>    I have a customer who wants a announce-only list.  She does not want
>    any replies to the list or to the poster.
[Christopher Kurtis Koeber] 

I did this before.

What I did was set both "member_moderation_action" and
"generic_nonmember_action" to discard and added the email addresses who need
to send emails to "accept_these_nonmembers".

After that everything worked as you would like. No replies and people
couldn't email each other. Also, if you keep the default settings the email
account that is shown is the address of the list.



From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 29 19:06:09 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:06:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] An Anonymous, No-reply List
In-Reply-To: <20101029160317.00EE14D27B@britaine.cis.anl.gov>
Message-ID: <PC1952010102910060905310219975c@MSAPIRO>

Barry Finkel wrote:

>I have a customer who wants a announce-only list.  She does not want
>any replies to the list or to the poster.
>
>In production we are running 2.1.13, and I have 2.1.14 on my test
>machine.  We made the list anonymous
>
>     anonymous_list = yes


Why, Is this needed or is it just an attempt to make replies not go to
the poster?


>and the resulting mail from the list has a header line:
>
>     Reply-To: LISTNAME at nodename
>
>so all replies go back to the list.  I tried
>
>     reply_goes_to_list - Explicit address
>     reply_to_address: user at example.com
>
>and the resulting mail from the list has a header line:
>
>     Reply-To: user at example.com, LISTNAME at nodename


If you set first_strip_reply_to to Yes, the LISTNAME entry should be
removed.


>This results in replies going to both the list and to the explicit
>address.  What I want is either
>
>     a) no "Reply-To:" line in the RFC 5322 mail header (With no
>        sender info nor reply info, I have no idea the address to which
>        an MUA will direct any reply.)


If you set first_strip_reply_to to Yes and reply_goes_to_list to 
Poster, there should be no Reply-To: header in list mail which means
"reply" will be to the From: address which is the poster or the list
in the case of an anonymous list.


>or
>     b) Reply-To: user at example.com
>
>Is this possible?  If not, then we will have to set
>
>     member_moderation_action = Reject
>     member_moderation_notice = Some polite text - This is an outbound
>                                                   list only.



You need to do that anyway because nothing prevents a member from doing
"reply all" or in some other way addressing a message to the list or
to the poster if the list is not anonymous.

See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/3YA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Oct 29 19:14:29 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:14:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] API version 1012-module hangul 1011 runtime
	error
In-Reply-To: <FD135403A19B4F4EBCB152A745AD72F70501F41882@susday212.corp.ncr.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201010291014290656b91b8cad@MSAPIRO>

Williams, Theona wrote:

>Hi,
>The server on which Mailman was installed was upgraded from Linux 3 to 4 to 5 (32 bit). Mailman no longer works on this server. I am receiving the error:
>/u004/mailman/pythonlib/korean/hangul.py:24: RuntimeWarning: Python C API versio
>n mismatch for module hangul: This Python has API version 1012, module hangul ha
>s version 1011.
>  from korean.c.hangul import *


The above is only a warning, but as you note below it is because
Mailman was built with a different Python version than it is being run
with. This is very bad. You should rebuild Mailman with the current
Python.


>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "./mailmanctl", line 548, in ?
>    main()
>  File "./mailmanctl", line 367, in main
>    check_for_site_list()
>  File "./mailmanctl", line 277, in check_for_site_list
>    sitelist = MailList(sitelistname, lock=0)
>  File "/u004/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__
>    self.Load()
>  File "/u004/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 629, in Load
>    dict, e = self.__load(file)
>  File "/u004/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 595, in __load
>    fp = open(dbfile)
>IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/u004/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck
>
>How do I go about resolving this problem?


Run Mailman's bin/check_perms to fix this.


>I am running
>Mailman version 2.1.9.  Currently,  Python 2.4.3 is on the server but I believe Mailman was originally built with a lower version of Python.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From TW150001 at ncr.com  Fri Oct 29 20:40:56 2010
From: TW150001 at ncr.com (Williams, Theona)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 14:40:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] API version 1012-module hangul 1011 runtime
 error
In-Reply-To: <PC195201010291014290656b91b8cad@MSAPIRO>
References: <FD135403A19B4F4EBCB152A745AD72F70501F41882@susday212.corp.ncr.com>
	<PC195201010291014290656b91b8cad@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <FD135403A19B4F4EBCB152A745AD72F70501F41DBF@susday212.corp.ncr.com>

I ran the bin/check_perms and that resolved all errors except the API version warning. I am still not able to send out messages. I will attempt to rebuild Mailman.
Thanks Theona



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:14 PM
To: Williams, Theona; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] API version 1012-module hangul 1011 runtime error

Williams, Theona wrote:

>Hi,
>The server on which Mailman was installed was upgraded from Linux 3 to 4 to 5 (32 bit). Mailman no longer works on this server. I am receiving the error:
>/u004/mailman/pythonlib/korean/hangul.py:24: RuntimeWarning: Python C
>API versio n mismatch for module hangul: This Python has API version
>1012, module hangul ha s version 1011.
>  from korean.c.hangul import *


The above is only a warning, but as you note below it is because Mailman was built with a different Python version than it is being run with. This is very bad. You should rebuild Mailman with the current Python.


>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "./mailmanctl", line 548, in ?
>    main()
>  File "./mailmanctl", line 367, in main
>    check_for_site_list()
>  File "./mailmanctl", line 277, in check_for_site_list
>    sitelist = MailList(sitelistname, lock=0)
>  File "/u004/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__
>    self.Load()
>  File "/u004/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 629, in Load
>    dict, e = self.__load(file)
>  File "/u004/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 595, in __load
>    fp = open(dbfile)
>IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
>'/u004/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck
>
>How do I go about resolving this problem?


Run Mailman's bin/check_perms to fix this.


>I am running
>Mailman version 2.1.9.  Currently,  Python 2.4.3 is on the server but I believe Mailman was originally built with a lower version of Python.

--
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From b19141 at anl.gov  Fri Oct 29 21:09:09 2010
From: b19141 at anl.gov (Barry Finkel)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 14:09:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] An Anonymous, No-reply List
In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net>'
	dated: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:06:09 -0700
Message-ID: <20101029190910.7D04D4D2A3@britaine.cis.anl.gov>

Barry Finkel wrote:

>>I have a customer who wants a announce-only list.  She does not want
>>any replies to the list or to the poster.
>>
>>In production we are running 2.1.13, and I have 2.1.14 on my test
>>machine.  We made the list anonymous
>>
>>     anonymous_list = yes


Mark Sapiro replied:
>Why, Is this needed or is it just an attempt to make replies not go to
>the poster?


This is a mailing to a club membership, and is for announcements only.
The one or two people who will do the monthly postings do not want to
get replies sent to their mailboxes, and they do not want replies sent
back to the list.  They have changed the list footer to read:

     All mail/replies should be sent to <xxx>.

where "<xxx>" is another list for the club officers where anyone can
post.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory          Phone:    +1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue               Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
Building 240, Room 5.B.8             Internet: BSFinkel at anl.gov
Argonne, IL   60439-4828             IBMMAIL:  I1004994


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct 30 06:02:33 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:02:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved message is discarded
In-Reply-To: <4CCAE41D.2010305@nikhef.nl>
References: <4CCAE41D.2010305@nikhef.nl>
Message-ID: <4CCB98D9.8030605@msapiro.net>

On 10/29/2010 8:11 AM, Andr? van Kan wrote:
> Hi Larry,
> 
> Although we have the same problem, ours is even weird in
> some aspects. I made an test-list - groep3 - with two members.
> If mail is send by a non-member, all messages are discarded
> after approval:
> 
> Oct 29 15:59:09 2010 (20460) groep3: Discarded posting:
>         From: acvankan at gmail.com
>         Subject: test after restart
> Oct 29 16:04:30 2010 (21937) groep3: Discarded posting:
>         From: acvankan at gmail.com
>         Subject: last one


Please post to the list, not to me personally.

However, the above messages, presumably from Mailman's vette log, come
from two different PIDs. Thus, I'm guessing that you are approving these
messages via the admindb web interface, and something is going wrong in
that process resulting in the message being discarded by the admindb CGI
itself.


> BUT if messages are sent by senders as mentioned in [Sender Filters] /
> "List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted"
> THEN messages are delivered (of course without the necessity of approval).
> 
> Since the vette-contents is rather concise, I editted
> IncomingRunner.py'sErrors.DiscardMessage as follows, according
> a earlier posting about this subject:
>     syslog('vette', 'Message discarded, msgid: %s, handler: %s',
>             msg.get('message-id', 'n/a'), handler)
> but to no avail. Nothing changes in the output-format.


Because the message is not discarded by IncomingRunner. It is discarded
by the HandleRequest method in Mailman/ListAdmin.py called from
Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py.


> Since all our lists suffer the same problem, a generic
> configuration error may be assumed, but I've no idea
> how to fix it. Any hint would be gratly appreciated.


Have you modified admindb.py in any way?

Does the web admin interface work?

What Mailman version is this?

How exactly are you approving messages?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct 30 06:22:34 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:22:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Definition of get_site_email in Utils.py
In-Reply-To: <F2A221512B3E0420BCFBBB48@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
References: <F2A221512B3E0420BCFBBB48@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
Message-ID: <4CCB9D8A.10702@msapiro.net>

On 10/29/2010 4:33 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:
> 
> For various reasons
> we use 'lists.uni-koeln.de' as URL_HOST, but as EMAIL_HOST we use
> 'uni-koeln.de'. So the address for the sitelist is mailman at uni-koeln.de.
> On the old system we were able to receive mail for @lists.uni-koeln.de
> addresses as well, but on the new system we can't. But the listinfo CGI
> uses mailman at lists.uni-koeln.de as the site address. I checked out the
> code, but didn't really understand it ? I'm more of a Perl guy ;)
> 
> def get_site_email(hostname=None, extra=None):
>    if hostname is None:
>        hostname = mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOSTS.get(get_domain(), get_domain())


The code is correct. The problem is you have no VIRTUAL_HOSTS entry with
key lists.uni-koeln.de and value uni-koeln.de.


>    if extra is None:
>        return '%s@%s' % (mm_cfg.MAILMAN_SITE_LIST, hostname)
>    return '%s-%s@%s' % (mm_cfg.MAILMAN_SITE_LIST, extra, hostname)
> 
> Shouldn't that use the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST instead? I fixed our specific
> problem by hardcoding the return value, but it seems to me that could be
> a more general issue ...


If you have defined

DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.uni-koeln.de'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'uni-koeln.de'

in mm_cfg.py then you also need to include after those definitions

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de  Sat Oct 30 09:16:12 2010
From: Hagedorn at uni-koeln.de (Sebastian Hagedorn)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:16:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Definition of get_site_email in Utils.py
In-Reply-To: <4CCB9D8A.10702@msapiro.net>
References: <F2A221512B3E0420BCFBBB48@tyrion.rrz.uni-koeln.de>
	<4CCB9D8A.10702@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <E320088B4D58ECF2D61B7637@G5.local>

-- Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> is rumored to have mumbled on 29. Oktober 
2010 21:22:34 -0700 regarding Re: [Mailman-Users] Definition of 
get_site_email in Utils.py:

> If you have defined
>
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.uni-koeln.de'
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'uni-koeln.de'
>
> in mm_cfg.py then you also need to include after those definitions
>
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

D'oh! Thanks, Mark, we actually had that, but in the course of the upgrade 
I messed it up :( The add_virtualhost was placed *before* the definition of 
the variables ...

Thanks for your help!
--
Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Flachbau), Zi. 18, Robert-Koch-Str. 10
Regionales Rechenzentrum (RRZK)
Universit?t zu K?ln / Cologne University - Tel. +49-221-478-5587

From measl at mfn.org  Sat Oct 30 09:42:08 2010
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 02:42:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman DOA after power outage crash.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1010300241430.6214@mx1.mfn.org>

Greetings,

	We had a series of longer than battery outages on wednesday, and 
when we came back online, mailman refused to run.  Heres the messages:

mailman# tail -f error
Oct 30 02:28:06 2010 (11862) couldn't load config file 
/usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.pck.last 1778451844

Oct 30 02:28:06 2010 (11862) couldn't load config file 
/usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.db
[Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.db'

Oct 30 02:28:06 2010 (11862) couldn't load config file 
/usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.db.last
[Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.db.last'

Oct 30 02:28:06 2010 (11862) All [listname]B fallbacks were corrupt, 
giving up

Oct 30 02:28:06 2010 (11862) error opening list: [listname]
[Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.db.last'

Please tell me theres a reasonable recovery for this on 2.1.21 (plus a 
patch)?

Thanks!

//Alif

-- 
"Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public
plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to
the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always
be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by
predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty."

Joseph Pulitzer, 1907 Speech

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct 30 17:51:20 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:51:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman DOA after power outage crash.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1010300241430.6214@mx1.mfn.org>
Message-ID: <PC195201010300851200843e86669df@MSAPIRO>

J.A. Terranson wrote:
>
>	We had a series of longer than battery outages on wednesday, and 
>when we came back online, mailman refused to run.  Heres the messages:
>
>mailman# tail -f error
>Oct 30 02:28:06 2010 (11862) couldn't load config file 
>/usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.pck.last 1778451844
>
>Oct 30 02:28:06 2010 (11862) couldn't load config file 
>/usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.db
>[Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
>'/usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.db'
>
>Oct 30 02:28:06 2010 (11862) couldn't load config file 
>/usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.db.last
>[Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
>'/usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.db.last'
>
>Oct 30 02:28:06 2010 (11862) All [listname]B fallbacks were corrupt, 
>giving up
>
>Oct 30 02:28:06 2010 (11862) error opening list: [listname]
>[Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
>'/usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.db.last'
>
>Please tell me theres a reasonable recovery for this on 2.1.21 (plus a 
>patch)?


2.1.12?

The recovery is to restore the corrupt
/usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.pck from the most recent good
backup.

Mailman does the best it can by trying to first write
config.pck.tmp.<hostname>.<pid> and then removing config.pck.last,
moving config.pck to config.pck.last and finally moving
config.pck.tmp.<hostname>.<pid> to config.pck.

You could check for a
/usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.pck.tmp.<hostname>.<pid> file and
try moving that to /usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.pck if it
exists, but even if it does, it may be bad too.

It appears that your system is caching disk writes to the extent that
both the config.pck and config.pck.last were incompletely written when
the power failed. You might look into that, and also consider setting

SYNC_AFTER_WRITE = Yes

in mm_cfg.py (see the documentation of this in Defaults.py).

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From measl at mfn.org  Sat Oct 30 18:17:20 2010
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:17:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman DOA after power outage crash.
In-Reply-To: <PC195201010300851200843e86669df@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC195201010300851200843e86669df@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1010301111570.6214@mx1.mfn.org>


On Sat, 30 Oct 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> /usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.pck.tmp.<hostname>.<pid> file and
> try moving that to /usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.pck if it
> exists, but even if it does, it may be bad too.

Thanks for the terrible news :-/  Is my [completely off the cuff] 
understanding of the config file correct that it just holds the settings 
from the config pages? If so, is there any reason I cannot "create" a new 
list (after moving the existing one) with the same name and then sub the 
new config.pck for the old corrupted one?

Thanks for the flush information: even though this was a unique situation 
(every box in the rack was damaged, several beyond repair [including the 
backup server]), living in the middle of the tornado capital of the world 
means it could realistically happen again, so thats a really good one to 
know.

//Alif

-- 
"Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public
plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to
the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always
be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by
predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty."

Joseph Pulitzer, 1907 Speech

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Oct 30 19:15:40 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:15:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman DOA after power outage crash.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1010301111570.6214@mx1.mfn.org>
Message-ID: <PC1952010103010154006401ba16868@MSAPIRO>

J.A. Terranson wrote:
>
>> /usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.pck.tmp.<hostname>.<pid> file and
>> try moving that to /usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.pck if it
>> exists, but even if it does, it may be bad too.
>
>Thanks for the terrible news :-/  Is my [completely off the cuff] 
>understanding of the config file correct that it just holds the settings 
>from the config pages? If so, is there any reason I cannot "create" a new 
>list (after moving the existing one) with the same name and then sub the 
>new config.pck for the old corrupted one?


Assuming you don't use some kind of custom member adaptor, the
config.pck also contains all the list membership information.

You can try running 'strings' on the various config.pck* files to see
if you can extract useful information that way.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From measl at mfn.org  Sun Oct 31 06:56:06 2010
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 00:56:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman DOA after power outage crash.
In-Reply-To: <PC1952010103010154006401ba16868@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC1952010103010154006401ba16868@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1010310052240.6214@mx1.mfn.org>


On Sat, 30 Oct 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> J.A. Terranson wrote:
> >
> >> /usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.pck.tmp.<hostname>.<pid> file and
> >> try moving that to /usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.pck if it
> >> exists, but even if it does, it may be bad too.
> >
> >Thanks for the terrible news :-/  Is my [completely off the cuff] 
> >understanding of the config file correct that it just holds the settings 
> >from the config pages? If so, is there any reason I cannot "create" a new 
> >list (after moving the existing one) with the same name and then sub the 
> >new config.pck for the old corrupted one?
> 
> 
> Assuming you don't use some kind of custom member adaptor, the
> config.pck also contains all the list membership information.
> 
> You can try running 'strings' on the various config.pck* files to see
> if you can extract useful information that way.

Everything seems to be in there: I see all the settings, plus it looks 
like all the subscribers are there as well.  It's going to be *really* 
painfull manually restoring all ~1200 addresses and their information, but 
I suppose it will have to do.

Whats really odd is that only one (of approx 30 lists) was corrupted, and 
when I compare the output of the corrupted vs known goos files, they look 
roughly identical.  Clearly they aren't, but... Is there any way to tell 
"where" mailman thinks the corruption begins or is it just the absence of 
a clean flag somewhere that I am hosed on? 


//Alif

-- 
"Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public
plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to
the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always
be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by
predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty."

Joseph Pulitzer, 1907 Speech

From dnewman at networktest.com  Sat Oct 30 22:11:49 2010
From: dnewman at networktest.com (David Newman)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:11:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] non-delivery to virtual domain
Message-ID: <4CCC7C05.7040900@networktest.com>

(Apologies for re-raising a topic I asked about here a couple of years
ago. The instructions on Sourceforge have changed a bit since then.)

New server runs OpenBSD 4.7, postfix 2.65, mailman 2.1.14, and virtual
domains. Mail sent to/from virtual domains works fine.

Different story with Mailman. Although postfix says a message addressed
to a list is "sent" to all addresses, subscribers from virtual domains
on this server do not receive the message. Subscribers on other domains
not on this server do receive the message. There's no indication of
trouble in the Mailman logs or in maillog.

I've followed the setup instructions here, doing section 6.1.2 before
6.1.1 (given the link about doing virtual stuff first):

http://mailman.sourceforge.net/mailman-install/postfix-virtual.html
http://mailman.sourceforge.net/mailman-install/postfix-integration.html

I've pasted the config files below.

Thanks in advance for clues on getting Mailman to deliver to virtual
addresses on this server.

dn


server hostname:
mail.domain1.tld

virtual domains:
domain1.tld # (not its real name!)
domain2.tld
domain3.tld

-----

from /etc/postfix/main.cf:

..

myhostname = mail.domain1.tld
mydomain = domain1.tld
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain

..

alias_maps = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases

virtual_alias_maps =
        proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/forwardings.cf
        proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/email2email.cf
        hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/domain1-tld
        hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

-----

from /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py:

MTA = 'Postfix'
MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'domain1.tld'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mail.domain1.tld'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'
IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/'
POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/local/sbin/postalias'
POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/local/sbin/postmap'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [ 'domain2.tld', 'domain3.tld' ]
# Clear the Defaults.py VIRTUAL_HOSTS entry
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost('DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST', 'DEFAULT_URL_HOST')
add_virtualhost('domain2.tld', 'domain2.tld')
add_virtualhost('domain3.tld', 'domain3.tld')

-----

/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases


# The ultimate loop stopper address
mailman-loop: /usr/local/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox

# STANZA START: mailman
# CREATED: Sat Oct 30 11:23:37 2010
mailman:             "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
mailman-admin:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
mailman-bounces:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
mailman-confirm:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman"
mailman-join:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
mailman-leave:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
mailman-owner:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
mailman-request:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman"
mailman-subscribe:   "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
mailman-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman"
# STANZA END: mailman

# STANZA START: s
# CREATED: Sat Oct 30 11:35:12 2010
s:             "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post s"
s-admin:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin s"
s-bounces:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces s"
s-confirm:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm s"
s-join:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join s"
s-leave:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave s"
s-owner:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner s"
s-request:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request s"
s-subscribe:   "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe s"
s-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe s"
# STANZA END: s

-----

/usr/local/etc/mailman/data/domain1-tld:

domain1.tld  IGNORE
@domain1.tld @mail.domain1.tld

-----

/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman:

# LOOP ADDRESSES START
mailman-loop at domain1.tld        mailman-loop
# LOOP ADDRESSES END

# STANZA START: s
# CREATED: Sat Oct 30 11:35:12 2010
s at domain1.tld              s
s-admin at domain1.tld        s-admin
s-bounces at domain1.tld      s-bounces
s-confirm at domain1.tld      s-confirm
s-join at domain1.tld         s-join
s-leave at domain1.tld        s-leave
s-owner at domain1.tld        s-owner
s-request at domain1.tld      s-request
s-subscribe at domain1.tld    s-subscribe
s-unsubscribe at domain1.tld  s-unsubscribe
# STANZA END: s

-----



From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct 31 16:43:20 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 08:43:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman DOA after power outage crash.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1010310052240.6214@mx1.mfn.org>
Message-ID: <PC1952010103108432003431ee9672b@MSAPIRO>

J.A. Terranson wrote:
>
>On Sat, 30 Oct 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>> You can try running 'strings' on the various config.pck* files to see
>> if you can extract useful information that way.
>
>Everything seems to be in there: I see all the settings, plus it looks 
>like all the subscribers are there as well.  It's going to be *really* 
>painfull manually restoring all ~1200 addresses and their information, but 
>I suppose it will have to do.
>
>Whats really odd is that only one (of approx 30 lists) was corrupted, and 
>when I compare the output of the corrupted vs known goos files, they look 
>roughly identical.


Probably that one list was the only one that was being or had
'recently' been updated when the power was removed.


>Clearly they aren't, but... Is there any way to tell 
>"where" mailman thinks the corruption begins or is it just the absence of 
>a clean flag somewhere that I am hosed on? 


Mailman doesn't have a clue as to what the problem is. The file is a
Python pickle and all Mailman knows is its attempt to cPickle.load()
the file threw an exception or didn't return a Python dictionary.

See <http://docs.python.org/library/pickle.html>.

Also, you may be able to use some of the pickletools functions to help
determine what might be wrong with the file and how to fix it, See
<http://docs.python.org/library/pickletools.html>. Also, see the text
at the beginning of the /usr/lib/pythonx.x/pickletools.py file for
documentation of the pickle file format. Note that config.pck is a
"protocol 1" pickle.

The first step would be to run the following Python commands. It is
best to run them under withlist as the unpickling process may need
access to Mailman.

$ /usr/mailman/bin/withlist -i
(some output)
>>> import cPickle
>>> fp = open('/usr/mailman/lists/[listname]/config.pck')
>>> xxx = cPickle.load(fp)
(some output about the error)
>>> (enter control-D here to exit)


Then, depending on the error, you might be able to use pickletools or
just a dump of the file to see what the problem is.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Oct 31 17:09:41 2010
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 09:09:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] non-delivery to virtual domain
In-Reply-To: <4CCC7C05.7040900@networktest.com>
Message-ID: <PC195201010310909410046ef72b817@MSAPIRO>

David Newman wrote:

>(Apologies for re-raising a topic I asked about here a couple of years
>ago. The instructions on Sourceforge have changed a bit since then.)
>
>New server runs OpenBSD 4.7, postfix 2.65, mailman 2.1.14, and virtual
>domains. Mail sent to/from virtual domains works fine.
>
>Different story with Mailman. Although postfix says a message addressed
>to a list is "sent" to all addresses, subscribers from virtual domains
>on this server do not receive the message. Subscribers on other domains
>not on this server do receive the message. There's no indication of
>trouble in the Mailman logs or in maillog.


What exactly does the Postfix log (maillog) say about the delivery to
one of these addresses?


>I've followed the setup instructions here, doing section 6.1.2 before
>6.1.1 (given the link about doing virtual stuff first):
>
>http://mailman.sourceforge.net/mailman-install/postfix-virtual.html
>http://mailman.sourceforge.net/mailman-install/postfix-integration.html


This normally only affects delivery TO a list in a virtual domain. If
done properly, it should not affect delivery to any non-list address
in the virtual domains.


>I've pasted the config files below.
>
>Thanks in advance for clues on getting Mailman to deliver to virtual
>addresses on this server.


This is almost certainly a Postfix issue rather than a Mailman issue.
If there is nothing in Mailman's smtp-failure log, Mailman has
delivered the message whith the local virtual recipients included to
Postfix and Postfix has accepted it.

See additional comments inline below.


>server hostname:
>mail.domain1.tld
>
>virtual domains:
>domain1.tld # (not its real name!)
>domain2.tld
>domain3.tld
>
>-----
>
>from /etc/postfix/main.cf:
>
>..
>
>myhostname = mail.domain1.tld
>mydomain = domain1.tld
>mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain
>
>..
>
>alias_maps = hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
>
>virtual_alias_maps =
>        proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/forwardings.cf
>        proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/email2email.cf
>        hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/domain1-tld
>        hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman


Full output from "postconf -n" might help.


>-----
>
>from /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py:
>
>MTA = 'Postfix'
>MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman'
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'domain1.tld'
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mail.domain1.tld'
>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
>PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'
>IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/'
>POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/local/sbin/postalias'
>POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/local/sbin/postmap'
>POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [ 'domain2.tld', 'domain3.tld' ]
># Clear the Defaults.py VIRTUAL_HOSTS entry
>VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
>add_virtualhost('DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST', 'DEFAULT_URL_HOST')


The above is backwards. It should be

add_virtualhost('DEFAULT_URL_HOST', 'DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST')


>add_virtualhost('domain2.tld', 'domain2.tld')
>add_virtualhost('domain3.tld', 'domain3.tld')


However, nothing here affects delivery of mail FROM mailman.


>-----
>
>/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
>
>
># The ultimate loop stopper address
>mailman-loop: /usr/local/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox
>
># STANZA START: mailman
># CREATED: Sat Oct 30 11:23:37 2010
>mailman:             "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
>mailman-admin:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
>mailman-bounces:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
>mailman-confirm:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman"
>mailman-join:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
>mailman-leave:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
>mailman-owner:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
>mailman-request:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman"
>mailman-subscribe:   "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
>mailman-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman"
># STANZA END: mailman
>
># STANZA START: s
># CREATED: Sat Oct 30 11:35:12 2010
>s:             "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post s"
>s-admin:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin s"
>s-bounces:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces s"
>s-confirm:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm s"
>s-join:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join s"
>s-leave:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave s"
>s-owner:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner s"
>s-request:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request s"
>s-subscribe:   "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe s"
>s-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe s"
># STANZA END: s


Likewise, the aliases above only affect delivery TO the mailman and s
lists.


>-----
>
>/usr/local/etc/mailman/data/domain1-tld:
>
>domain1.tld  IGNORE
>@domain1.tld @mail.domain1.tld


This file and its reference in virtual_alias_maps is conflicting as
this says domain1.tld is a virtual alias domain and its presence in
mydestination says it's not. Also, this is obsolete in Postfix. The
current method of specifying to postfix that a domain is a virtual
alias domain is to list it in virtual_alias_domains in main.cf.


>-----
>
>/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman:
>
># LOOP ADDRESSES START
>mailman-loop at domain1.tld        mailman-loop
># LOOP ADDRESSES END
>
># STANZA START: s
># CREATED: Sat Oct 30 11:35:12 2010
>s at domain1.tld              s
>s-admin at domain1.tld        s-admin
>s-bounces at domain1.tld      s-bounces
>s-confirm at domain1.tld      s-confirm
>s-join at domain1.tld         s-join
>s-leave at domain1.tld        s-leave
>s-owner at domain1.tld        s-owner
>s-request at domain1.tld      s-request
>s-subscribe at domain1.tld    s-subscribe
>s-unsubscribe at domain1.tld  s-unsubscribe
># STANZA END: s


And this virtual mapping only affects delivery to the s at domain1.tld 
list and it's associated admin addresses, but since domain1.tld is not
in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS (which is correct because it is in
main.cf mydestination which makes it a postfix local domain), why is
this list in virtual-mailman at all.

>-----

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan