[Mailman-Users] VIrtual_Mailman_Local_Domain ( was Re: Invitationorsubscription on behalf list-owner)

Mark Sapiro mark at msapiro.net
Fri Sep 9 20:01:51 CEST 2011

Syafril Hermansyah wrote:

>On 09/06/2011 10:06 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>and after set VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN = None and run
>/usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases I got  in virtual-mailman
>mailman-loop at list.dutaint.com   mailman-loop
>mailman-loop at dip13.dutaint.com  mailman-loop
># STANZA START: mylist
># CREATED: Tue Sep  6 12:54:05 2011
>mylist at list.dutaint.com              mylist at list.dutaint.com
>mylist-admin at list.dutaint.com        mylist-admin at list.dutaint.com
>mylist-bounces at list.dutaint.com      mylist-bounces at list.dutaint.com,
>mylist-confirm at list.dutaint.com      mylist-confirm at list.dutaint.com

I don't see how this is possible. If you run bin/genaliases, it should
recreate data/aliases and data/virtual-mailman (and the associated .db
files) from empty, and if VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN = None, there
should be no "@domain" on the right hand side of any of the entries.
It should not be possible that the mailman-loop addresses are
unqualified and list addresses are qualified immediately after running

Do you possibly have more that one data/ directory, e.g.,
/usr/lib/mailman/data/ as well as /var/lib/mailman/data/?

>while /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases consist
># The ultimate loop stopper address
>mailman-loop: /var/lib/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox
># STANZA START: mailman
># CREATED: Fri Sep  9 20:55:34 2011
>mailman:             "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
>mailman-admin:       "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"

I also note that the timestamp on the mailman list above is "Fri Sep  9
20:55:34 2011" while that on the mylist list in virtual-mailman is
"Tue Sep  6 12:54:05 2011". This is additional evidence that the
data/virtual-mailman you are looking at above is not the one updated
by genaliases.

>this kind of aliases makes posting not working, the error said
>DBB8E2C238A     3104 Fri Sep  9 17:26:32  syafril at dutaint.co.id
>                                                     (user unknown)
>   |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"@dip13.dutaint.com
>as you see there is "@dip13.dutaint.com appended
>> The intent is to add qualification so they become local addresses if
>> the bare name is not understood to be in a local domain.
>Yeah it should be like that, but I found that my problem is because I
>used all domain as virtual domain.
>I have virtual_alias_maps to forward mail address to certain address
>being redirecting to my account on different mailserver, see
>section Mail forwarding domains.
>I follow suggestion on this page
>Mailing lists
>There is one major limitation: virtual aliases and virtual mailboxes
>can't directly deliver to mailing list managers such as majordomo. The
>solution is to set up virtual aliases that direct virtual addresses to
>the local delivery agent:
>    /etc/postfix/main.cf:
>        virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual
>    /etc/postfix/virtual:
>        listname-request at example.com listname-request
>        listname at example.com         listname
>        owner-listname at example.com   owner-listname
>    /etc/aliases:
>        listname: "|/some/where/majordomo/wrapper ..."
>        owner-listname: ...
>        listname-request: ...
>And after putting complete address (right hand site of @) mailman
>working as expected.
>>> The problem is if I put more than one domains such
>>> VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN = 'list.example.com', 'others.domain.com',
>>> etc.domain.com
>>> makes error while generate aliases
>>> $ sudo /usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases
>> That's because
>> VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN = 'list.example.com', 'others.domain.com',
>> etc.domain.com
>> is not valid Python, and even if you were to make it a valid list like
>> VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN = ['list.example.com',
>> 'others.domain.com', etc.domain.com]
>Still no go.

Of course it doesn't work. You left out the next line of my statement
above, namely "It would make no sense."

>While run $ sudo /usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases I got error
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases", line 122, in <module>
>    main()
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases", line 112, in main
>    MTA.create(mlist, nolock=True, quiet=quiet)
>  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 237, in create
>    _do_create(mlist, VIRTFILE, _addvirtual)
>  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 219, in _do_create
>    func(mlist, fp)
>  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 127, in _addvirtual
>    loopdest += '@' + mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN
>TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'list' objects
>BTW. What is the purpose of  DEB_LISTMASTER?

Please see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD>.

>On postfix-to-mailman.py mentioned as
># This script is meant to be called as a postfix transport pipe.
># It catches all mail to a virtual domain, eg "lists.example.com".  It
># looks at the recipient for each mail message and decides if the mail
># is addressed to a valid list or not, and optionally bounces the
># message with a helpful suggestion if it's not addressed to a
># list. It decides if it is a posting, a list command, or mail to the
># list administrator, by checking for the -admin, -owner, -request,
># -join, -leave, -subscribe and -unsubscribe addresses. It will
># recognize a list as soon as the list is created, there is no need to
># add _any_ aliases for any list.  It recognizes mail to postmaster,
># abuse and mailer-daemon, and routes those mails to DEB_LISTMASTER as
># defined in mm_cfg.py
>But I didn't see it's working (I expect all bounce distribution mail
>will copied to postmaster@$myhostname) since I put
>DEB_LISTMASTER = postmaster at dip13.dutaint.com
>but it does not.

Please note that postfix_to_mailman.py is a third party module
officially unsupported by the GNU Mailman project. Further, it is an
alternative to delivery via virtual alias maps and aliases and the two
methods are incompatible.

I am completely lost in trying to understand your configuration, To
help further, I would need to see the complete contents of mm_cfg.py
and the output from 'postconf -n'. Then I will undoubtedly have
additional questions.

Also, I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish with
virtual-mailman. but things like

mylist at list.dutaint.com              mylist at list.dutaint.com

make no sense as they say to map the virtual address
mylist at list.dutaint.com to itself. If Postfix knows how to deliver to
mylist at list.dutaint.com, the virtual mapping is unnecessary and if it
doesn't, mapping the address to itself doesn't help.

Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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