I can't imagine needing other functions "integrated," but perhaps I simply lack imagination... Regardless, all I did to integrate mailing list sign-up was to "observe" what the Mailman sign-up form was doing, and then I POSTed the same fields to it from a different form. I think it would be fairly easy to get Mailman to do anything you want in a similar manner. Just go to the form that does what you want to integrate, and look at the HTML source, copy, paste, modify, and Bob's your uncle! Or perhaps I totally missed what it was you were asking for. ---------------- When it comes to happiness, money is not as important as, say, good health or good friends or a good marriage. -- Glenn Firebaugh :::: Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op :::: From m2spring at springdot.org Wed Mar 21 20:19:56 2012 From: m2spring at springdot.org (Max Spring) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:19:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with non-member filter Message-ID: <4F6A29DC.4000700@springdot.org> Using Mailman version 2.1.14-1, I'm trying to get notifications from Youtube and Facebook automatically accepted. In Privacy Options -> Sender filters -> accept_these_nonmembers, I configured noreply at youtube.com ^notification.*facebookmail\.com$ ^update.*facebookmail\.com$ But I'm still getting authorization requests for emails from these sources. (generic_nonmember_action is "Hold", but it actually should not matter.) I can't find any other configuration which would be relevant here. What could be the reason? I'm obviously missing something. Thanks! -Max From mark at msapiro.net Thu Mar 22 08:20:46 2012 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:20:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with non-member filter In-Reply-To: <4F6A29DC.4000700@springdot.org> References: <4F6A29DC.4000700@springdot.org> Message-ID: <4F6AD2CE.5030802@msapiro.net> On 03/21/2012 12:19 PM, Max Spring wrote: > Using Mailman version 2.1.14-1, I'm trying to get notifications from > Youtube and Facebook automatically accepted. > In Privacy Options -> Sender filters -> accept_these_nonmembers, I > configured > > noreply at youtube.com > ^notification.*facebookmail\.com$ > ^update.*facebookmail\.com$ > > But I'm still getting authorization requests for emails from these sources. > (generic_nonmember_action is "Hold", but it actually should not matter.) The *_these_nonmembers addresses and regexps are matched against a single address which may or may not be the From: address of the message. The address used is the one returned by Mailman's Message.get_sender() method and is determined as follows: Return the address considered to be the author of the email. This can return either the From: header, the Sender: header or the envelope header (a.k.a. the unixfrom header). The first non-empty header value found is returned. However the search order is determined by the following: - If mm_cfg.USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER is true, then the search order is Sender:, From:, unixfrom - Otherwise, the search order is From:, Sender:, unixfrom -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From misterbhatt at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 18:36:39 2012 From: misterbhatt at gmail.com (Amit Bhatt) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 23:06:39 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing llist restoration Message-ID: Dear associates, I have shifted my current web account to a new server. i had taken a full backup of the data. When the service provider moved our account to new server, what I have seen that the name of the mailing list is shown but when I am trying to enter in the list or trying to access my admin panel, it is showing like no mailman mailing list publically advertised on sayeverything at sayeverything does it mean that we have lost our mailing list and it's entire data? Can we retrieve at least some data like members or subscribers name so we can put them in the new record? How can we restore our old mailing list. Any help in the above matter would be highly appreciated. Regards, Amit Bhatt From mark at msapiro.net Thu Mar 22 18:59:11 2012 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:59:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing llist restoration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F6B686F.3080700@msapiro.net> On 03/22/2012 10:36 AM, Amit Bhatt wrote: > > I have shifted my current web account to a new server. i had taken a > full backup of the data. When the service provider moved our account > to new server, what I have seen that the name of the mailing list is > shown but when I am trying to enter in the list or trying to access > my admin panel, it is showing like no mailman mailing list publically > advertised on sayeverything at sayeverything See the FAQ at . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From michael.capelle at blindtech-list.info Fri Mar 23 14:21:23 2012 From: michael.capelle at blindtech-list.info (Michael Capelle) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 08:21:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing a mailman list. Message-ID: Hello. We are using mailman version 2.1.11. where is the rmlist file? or, can someone give me instructions on how to remove a list? From mark at msapiro.net Fri Mar 23 20:45:43 2012 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 12:45:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing a mailman list. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Michael Capelle wrote: >Hello. >We are using mailman version 2.1.11. >where is the rmlist file? >or, can someone give me instructions on how to remove a list? It is normally at ~mailman/bin/rmlist which, in a default source install is /usr/local/mailman/bin/rmlist. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From barry at list.org Sat Mar 24 03:00:13 2012 From: barry at list.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:00:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED: GNU Mailman 3.0 beta 1 and Postorius 1.0 alpha 1 Message-ID: <20120323220013.0b1c88a8@resist.wooz.org> Hello Mailman enthusiasts! Use the key, unlock the door See what your fate might have in store... Building on the excitement and amazing progress at our sprints at Pycon 2012, I am very happy to announce the availability of GNU Mailman 3.0 beta 1, code named "The Twilight Zone". After nearly four years of design, discussion, and development, we can now see a clear path to a final release. I thank everyone who has helped us get here, by participating on the mailman-developers mailing list, the bug tracker, in private conversations, and code contributions, both to Mailman itself and all the great projects it builds on. Special thanks go to our recent sprinters, Andrea Crotti, Florian Fuchs, Toshio Kuratomi, Daniel Mizyrycki, Terri Oda, Mark Sapiro, and Stephen Turnbull. While you do want to be careful using 3.0b1 in production, I hope that you will get a copy of the code and run it through its paces. Several people are known to be running real mailing lists using the code base. At this point, the feature set is frozen, as is the database schema. We'll use the schema migration machinery to do any schema changes from here to the final release. I'm also ecstatic to announce the first alpha release of Postorius, our new official name for the Django-based Mailman 3 web user interface. The name was suggested by core developer Florian Fuchs in honor of a bass hero of both of ours, Jaco Pastorius. Postorius 1.0 alpha 1 is code named "Space Farm". Postorius is in large part based on the great work of Anna Senarclens de Grancy and Benedict Stein who worked on a new Mailman web ui during their Google Summer of Code projects in 2010 and 2011. This alpha version connects to Mailman 3.0's REST API to add and edit lists and domains, as well as to moderate messages. It uses Django's auth app and Mozilla's BrowserID for authentication (a list of the current features is contained in the NEWS file of the package). Apart from the current state there are many more ideas left for the upcoming releases. There is a great team working on the web ui as well as on a new archiver, so stay tuned, and come join us! You can download GNU Mailman 3.0b1 from Launchpad or the Python Cheeseshop: https://launchpad.net/mailman http://pypi.python.org/pypi/mailman Postorius 1.0a1 is available from Launchpad and Cheeseshop as well: https://launchpad.net/postorius http://pypi.python.org/pypi/postorius The GNU Mailman documentation is available online at: http://packages.python.org/mailman/ You can submit bug reports to GNU Mailman and Postorius at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman https://bugs.launchpad.net/postorius GNU Mailman and Postorius are released under the GNU General Public License version 3 or later. Enjoy! -Barry (On behalf of the entire GNU Mailman development team) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Turnbull) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:15:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] RELEASED: GNU Mailman 3.0 beta 1 and Postorius 1.0 alpha 1 In-Reply-To: <20120323220013.0b1c88a8@resist.wooz.org> References: <20120323220013.0b1c88a8@resist.wooz.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 3:00 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Hello Mailman enthusiasts! > I'm also ecstatic to announce the first alpha release of Postorius, our new > official name for the Django-based Mailman 3 web user interface. ?The name was > suggested by core developer Florian Fuchs in honor of a bass hero of both of > ours, Jaco Pastorius. ?Postorius 1.0 alpha 1 is code named "Space Farm". I can't wait for "Gene Simmons" and "Tal Wilkenfeld"! :-) From mark at msapiro.net Mon Mar 26 03:35:47 2012 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:35:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I18n help needed for Mailman 2.1.15 release. Message-ID: <4F6FC7F3.80502@msapiro.net> Now that Mailman 3 is in beta, I would like to spend more time working on it. To that end, I am planning to release Mailman 2.1.15 soon. This release fixes quite a few bugs and adds some needed new features. See the NEWS file at for details. This release contains several new message strings and a template modification, none of which have been translated. So, if you are a language champion or just an interested user or anything between, I need your help. There is a new feature to request a password reminder from the private archive login page. This necessitated an addition to templates//private.html. I have added the new information to all the templates, but it is in English. If you can help translate this into your language, get the private.html template from your language directory at , and send me a translated template. Also, all the message catalogs have been merged from the new mailman.pot and there are fuzzy translations and untranslated strings as a result. If you can help with fixing these, get the current LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po file from your language directory at and send me an updated version. If you can help with this, please do it before the end of April. If you want to help but aren't sure what to do, let me know and I'll try to help you. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From misterbhatt at gmail.com Mon Mar 26 06:22:56 2012 From: misterbhatt at gmail.com (Amit Bhatt) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 09:52:56 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Login problem Message-ID: I am not been able to login to my admin interface of mailing list: The error I am getting is: Authantication faile. "You must have cookies enabled in your browser" But I am wonderred how I am receiving this message for last couple of days while cookies are already enabled. Regards, Amit Bhatt From b-bowers at cox.net Mon Mar 26 09:52:20 2012 From: b-bowers at cox.net (Bob Bowers) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:52:20 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing by Email Command AND Including Name Message-ID: <81B4E0F747C34803B344834168241822@BobPC> Am I missing something? Is it possible to send a subscription request to a mail list WITH the name of the subscriber? This is possible in ?Mass Subscription? but I do not see a place to include a name in a command string by email. I would like to have my list open for subscription, however I want the names of subscribers in the list. From mark at msapiro.net Mon Mar 26 16:58:53 2012 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 07:58:53 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Login problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Amit Bhatt wrote: >I am not been able to login to my admin interface of mailing list: >The error I am getting is: Authantication faile. >"You must have cookies enabled in your browser" > >But I am wonderred how I am receiving this message for last couple of days while cookies are already enabled. The notation about cookies is always on the login page and only means that if your login is accepted but you don't have cookies enabled, you will need to reauthenticate with every page request or post. Your problem appears to be that you are not entering the correct password. See the FAQ at . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Mon Mar 26 17:59:05 2012 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:59:05 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing by Email Command AND Including Name In-Reply-To: <81B4E0F747C34803B344834168241822@BobPC> References: <81B4E0F747C34803B344834168241822@BobPC> Message-ID: <4F709249.6060603@msapiro.net> On 3/26/2012 12:52 AM, Bob Bowers wrote: > Am I missing something? Is it possible to send a subscription request > to a mail list WITH the name of the subscriber? This is possible in > ?Mass Subscription? but I do not see a place to include a name in a > command string by email. I would like to have my list open for > subscription, however I want the names of subscribers in the list. It depends. If the user sends email to the list-join or list-subscribe address or to list-request with a plain subscribe command, the user's name will be taken from the From: header of the email. I.e., an email From: My Name To: list.join at example.net is a request to subscribe me at example.com with name 'My Name'. On the other hand, if you send a subscribe command with the address= option to the list-request address in order to subscribe an address other than the From: header address, there is no way to specify a user name with that command. You can send, e.g., the command subscribe mypasswd digest without the address= option to specify a password and/or (no)digest, and as long as it doesn't have address=, both name (if any) and address will be taken form the From: header. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From barry at python.org Mon Mar 26 19:39:51 2012 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:39:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] RELEASED: GNU Mailman 3.0 beta 1 and Postorius 1.0 alpha 1 In-Reply-To: <4F708733.2040600@gmail.com> References: <20120323220013.0b1c88a8@resist.wooz.org> <4F708733.2040600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120326133951.34c0dc9d@rivendell> On Mar 26, 2012, at 04:11 PM, Andrea Crotti wrote: >Great news Barry, but just one thing, I checked now on list.org and the GNU >Mailman website and there is no mention of this release.. is that on purpose? Not really. The server moved recently and my keys hadn't been installed. Looks like they still aren't, so let me ping the admins. -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Postorius is the web UI component. >How can we upgrade the Mailman version 2.14 to new 3.0? We haven't yet got a clear migration path. At this point, Mailman 3 can be used in a test environment (or production if you're brave) with new lists. Migrating existing 2.1 lists will definitely need to be handled, but it isn't there yet. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From stephen at xemacs.org Tue Mar 27 07:21:46 2012 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:21:46 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regarding New mailman 3.0 & Postorius... In-Reply-To: <4975094256A241898619A49EC4F6D3FC@farhorizonindia.net> References: <4975094256A241898619A49EC4F6D3FC@farhorizonindia.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Amit Bhatt wrote: > What is the differentce between Postorius and Mailman, They're different but related applications. Mailman handles mail and provides an API for administration, including user management. Postorius provides a web UI for administration. > which one is better? "Both together." > How can we upgrade the Mailman version 2.14 to new 3.0? If you have to ask, Mailman 3 is not ready for you. For one thing, there is no Mailman 3.0 yet; it's still in pre-release testing. From leo at oneko.de Tue Mar 27 14:55:02 2012 From: leo at oneko.de (Leo Hackstein) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:55:02 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Batch Add/Remove Users via Mail Message-ID: <4F71B8A6.4040109@oneko.de> Hello Mailman-Users! I am tasked to write a script that adds multiple users to a mailing list. The List of users is generated from a different database. Unfortunately, the script will not be running on the same machine as the mailing list is hosted, so as I understand it, I cant use the scripts in "/usr/lib/mailman/bin" (or wherever mailman resides on that machine). Now I thoght I will just send mailman a mail with lines "subscribe $password address=$address" but it seems like $password is in this case the password for the user of $address. So in theory I could write "subscribe address=$address", but I have no idea what exactly will happen then. I myself am not administrator on the mailing list, so I can't experiment. Are the users automatically subscribed to the mailing list, if the mail with the subscribe-statements is sent from a list administrator? How does the administrator authenticate, then? Are all users that get subscribed in that way getting a confirmation mail where they have to approve their subscription? That would be OK, I think. Does the list administrator have to manually approve the subscriptions again, if they are sent with a mail? Are there better ideas? Using the Web Interface is not an option (the web interface is used at the moment, but as we need the script anyway to generate the user list, it would be very convenient if the script could also add the new users automatically). If you know of a script (ideally written in perl) that uses some kind of http agent to access the web interface to add/remove users, that would be cool, too. - Leo Hackstein From mark at msapiro.net Tue Mar 27 21:19:16 2012 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:19:16 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Batch Add/Remove Users via Mail In-Reply-To: <4F71B8A6.4040109@oneko.de> Message-ID: Leo Hackstein wrote: > >I am tasked to write a script that adds multiple users to a mailing >list. The List of users is generated from a different database. > >Unfortunately, the script will not be running on the same machine as the >mailing list is hosted, so as I understand it, I cant use the scripts in >"/usr/lib/mailman/bin" (or wherever mailman resides on that machine). Correct. >Now I thoght I will just send mailman a mail with lines >"subscribe $password address=$address" >but it seems like $password is in this case the password for the user of >$address. It is the password to be generated for the newly subscribed user. >So in theory I could write >"subscribe address=$address", >but I have no idea what exactly will happen then. I myself am not >administrator on the mailing list, so I can't experiment. That is a request to subscribe $address with whatever the digest default is for the list and an autogenerated password. What happens after that is a function of the list's subscribe_policy, but in the most usual cases, it results in a confirmation request email being sent to $address. >Are the users automatically subscribed to the mailing list, if the mail >with the subscribe-statements is sent from a list administrator? How >does the administrator authenticate, then? No they are not. There is no list admin authentication available for this process. The subscribe command with address= option is treated the same regardless of who sends it. >Are all users that get subscribed in that way getting a confirmation >mail where they have to approve their subscription? That would be OK, I >think. As I indicated above, that's the normal case, but it depends on the list's subscribe_policy. >Does the list administrator have to manually approve the subscriptions >again, if they are sent with a mail? Again, that depends on subscribe_policy. Here are the possiblities for subscribe_policy: None (only available if ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE is set to Yes in mm_cfg.py) - User is subscribed. Confirm - User is send confirmation request and is subscribed upon confirmation Require approval - No mail to user. Owner or Moderator must approve. Confirm and approve - Confirmation email. After confirmation Owner or Moderator must approve. >Are there better ideas? > >Using the Web Interface is not an option (the web interface is used at >the moment, but as we need the script anyway to generate the user list, >it would be very convenient if the script could also add the new users >automatically). >If you know of a script (ideally written in perl) that uses some kind of >http agent to access the web interface to add/remove users, that would >be cool, too. See the latter portion of the FAQ at . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From smtgv at noisynotes.com Wed Mar 28 14:34:18 2012 From: smtgv at noisynotes.com (Steve Matzura) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:34:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via web interface in 2.1.11 Message-ID: It works just fine if I log in as root and use newlist, but if I try to create a new list via the web admin interface, two things happen. First, I get an error, whose text I do not have in front of me (I know, I know, first rule of error reporting, report the exact error, but you probably won't need it when I finish my explanation), and second, the aliases file is not updated, so if a subscriber tries to send a message to the list, they receive an auto-reply telling them "user unknown in virtual mailbox table". My question is, why doesn't the web interface create new list feature update the aliases file? Is this a bug or a feature, or is there something I should put into mm_cfg.py to enable this, similar to owners-may-delete-their-own-lists? Thanks in advance. From stephen at xemacs.org Wed Mar 28 18:52:45 2012 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 01:52:45 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via web interface in 2.1.11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: > "user unknown in virtual mailbox table". My question is, why doesn't > the web interface create new list feature update the aliases file? What aliases file? Exim, for example, doesn't need one at all. There are many MTAs, there are many different ways to configure them to deliver to lists. > Is this a bug or a feature, It's a missing feature in your MTA. :-) As I wrote, there are MTAs that can be configured to automatically deliver to mailing lists (eg, Exim is told to look for a $LIST.cfg file, and if that is found, it delivers to "| mailman post $LIST" or something like that). > or is there something I should put into > mm_cfg.py to enable this, similar to > owners-may-delete-their-own-lists? We likely can help you, but you'll need to tell us exactly what MTA you use, and how it's currently configured. If you are using a OS-distro-provided Mailman, tell us what distro and the full version number of the Mailman package. If you built from source, tell us that. From mark at msapiro.net Wed Mar 28 18:52:54 2012 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 09:52:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via web interface in2.1.11 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve Matzura wrote: >It works just fine if I log in as root and use newlist, but if I try >to create a new list via the web admin interface, two things happen. >First, I get an error, whose text I do not have in front of me (I >know, I know, first rule of error reporting, report the exact error, >but you probably won't need it when I finish my explanation), Wrong. >and >second, the aliases file is not updated, so if a subscriber tries to >send a message to the list, they receive an auto-reply telling them >"user unknown in virtual mailbox table". My question is, why doesn't >the web interface create new list feature update the aliases file? Is >this a bug or a feature, or is there something I should put into >mm_cfg.py to enable this, similar to >owners-may-delete-their-own-lists? If bin/newlist updates the aliases, web create should too, so clearly this has something to do with the error. If the list is created and the only problem is that aliases aren't updated, it could be a permissions issue. Is Mailman's cgi-bin/create wrapper group 'mailman' and SETGID and does group 'mailman' have write permission on the aliases? What is the error? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Wed Mar 28 21:28:27 2012 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:28:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in2.1.11 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark Sapiro wrote: >Steve Matzura wrote: > >>and >>second, the aliases file is not updated, so if a subscriber tries to >>send a message to the list, they receive an auto-reply telling them >>"user unknown in virtual mailbox table". My question is, why doesn't >>the web interface create new list feature update the aliases file? Is >>this a bug or a feature, or is there something I should put into >>mm_cfg.py to enable this, similar to >>owners-may-delete-their-own-lists? > > >If bin/newlist updates the aliases, web create should too, so clearly >this has something to do with the error. > >If the list is created and the only problem is that aliases aren't >updated, it could be a permissions issue. Is Mailman's cgi-bin/create >wrapper group 'mailman' and SETGID and does group 'mailman' have write >permission on the aliases? Also, the "user unknown in virtual mailbox table" error indicates the list domain is a virtual domain. If the issue is that Mailman's data/aliases is updated, but data/virtual-mailman is not, the problem is that the email host_name for the list is not in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS. For a web create, the host_name is determined by taking the web host from the URL used to go to the create page and looking it up in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary (basically your add_virtualhost entries) and getting the host name from there. But, as Stephen suggests, don't make us guess. Give us all the information. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From smtgv at noisynotes.com Wed Mar 28 21:22:20 2012 From: smtgv at noisynotes.com (Steve Matzura) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:22:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via web interface in 2.1.11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The MTA is postfix. The file in question is /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases which, according to what I've read, is created from aliases.db. The interesting thing is, virtual-mailman *is* updated correctly from virtual-mailman.db while aliases is not. Mailman was installed long before I got here, but I'm assuming it was installed via the standard package installer when Ubuntu was originally built a few years ago. I also recognize I'm not running the latest Ubuntu or Mailman. Here's the perms on those four files: -rw-rw---- 1 root list 6725 2012-03-28 19:07 aliases -rw-rw---- 1 list list 12288 2012-03-28 19:07 aliases.db -rw-rw---- 1 root list 5830 2012-03-28 19:07 virtual-mailman -rw-r----- 1 root list 12288 2012-03-28 19:07 virtual-mailman.db On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 01:52:45 +0900, you wrote: >On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: > >> "user unknown in virtual mailbox table". My question is, why doesn't >> the web interface create new list feature update the aliases file? > >What aliases file? Exim, for example, doesn't need one at all. There >are many MTAs, there are many different ways to configure them to >deliver to lists. > >> Is this a bug or a feature, > >It's a missing feature in your MTA. :-) As I wrote, there are MTAs >that can be configured to automatically deliver to mailing lists (eg, >Exim is told to look for a $LIST.cfg file, and if that is found, it >delivers to "| mailman post $LIST" or something like that). > >> or is there something I should put into >> mm_cfg.py to enable this, similar to >> owners-may-delete-their-own-lists? > >We likely can help you, but you'll need to tell us exactly what MTA >you use, and how it's currently configured. If you are using a >OS-distro-provided Mailman, tell us what distro and the full version >number of the Mailman package. If you built from source, tell us >that. From mark at msapiro.net Wed Mar 28 21:46:48 2012 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:46:48 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in 2.1.11 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve Matzura wrote: >The MTA is postfix. The file in question is >/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases which, according to what I've read, is >created from aliases.db. The other way around. >The interesting thing is, virtual-mailman >*is* updated correctly from virtual-mailman.db while aliases is not. You have it backwards. Mailman writes aliases and virtual-mailman and then calls postalias and postmap to update the .db files from the text files. Postfix uses the .db files even though the extensions are not mentioned in main.cf. You need to 'chmod 660 /var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman.db' It must be writable by the 'list group or it can't be updated by the web server running the create CGI. >Mailman was installed long before I got here, but I'm assuming it was >installed via the standard package installer when Ubuntu was >originally built a few years ago. I also recognize I'm not running the >latest Ubuntu or Mailman. Also, see the FAQ at . >Here's the perms on those four files: > >-rw-rw---- 1 root list 6725 2012-03-28 19:07 aliases >-rw-rw---- 1 list list 12288 2012-03-28 19:07 aliases.db >-rw-rw---- 1 root list 5830 2012-03-28 19:07 virtual-mailman >-rw-r----- 1 root list 12288 2012-03-28 19:07 virtual-mailman.db -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From smtgv at noisynotes.com Wed Mar 28 22:43:05 2012 From: smtgv at noisynotes.com (Steve Matzura) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:43:05 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in2.1.11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99s6n796mfjfu4ipl0cv7vlejmms85bo6j@4ax.com> It would *never* be in my best interest not to give you all the info. The problem is, I don't know exactly what info you need or want, and what would be superfluous. Let's see if I can provide more below. Anything I've omitted, just ask and it shall be yours for the knowing. On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:28:27 -0700, you wrote: >Mark Sapiro wrote: > >>Steve Matzura wrote: >> >>>and >>>second, the aliases file is not updated, so if a subscriber tries to >>>send a message to the list, they receive an auto-reply telling them >>>"user unknown in virtual mailbox table". My question is, why doesn't >>>the web interface create new list feature update the aliases file? Is >>>this a bug or a feature, or is there something I should put into >>>mm_cfg.py to enable this, similar to >>>owners-may-delete-their-own-lists? >> >> >>If bin/newlist updates the aliases, web create should too, so clearly >>this has something to do with the error. >> >>If the list is created and the only problem is that aliases aren't >>updated, it could be a permissions issue. Is Mailman's cgi-bin/create >>wrapper group 'mailman' and SETGID and does group 'mailman' have write >>permission on the aliases? In case it went by and you didn't see it, here are the perms on those four files in /var/lib/mailman/data: -rw-rw---- 1 root list 6725 2012-03-28 19:07 aliases -rw-rw---- 1 list list 12288 2012-03-28 19:07 aliases.db -rw-rw---- 1 root list 5830 2012-03-28 19:07 virtual-mailman -rw-r----- 1 root list 12288 2012-03-28 19:07 virtual-mailman.db > >Also, the "user unknown in virtual mailbox table" error indicates the >list domain is a virtual domain. If the issue is that Mailman's >data/aliases is updated, but data/virtual-mailman is not, the problem >is that the email host_name for the list is not in >POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS. For a web create, the host_name is >determined by taking the web host from the URL used to go to the >create page and looking it up in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary That would be www.theglobalvoice.info with the additional mailman suffix string, of course. I tried putting add_virtualhost in mm_cfg.py, but all that did was generate an error saying I'd found a bug! Obviously that was the wrong thing to do, so I removed it, and now we're back to the "unknown virtual host" error on the web create form. >(basically your add_virtualhost entries) and getting the host name >from there. > >But, as Stephen suggests, don't make us guess. Give us all the >information. From smtgv at noisynotes.com Wed Mar 28 22:51:56 2012 From: smtgv at noisynotes.com (Steve Matzura) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:51:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in 2.1.11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3cu6n7pgemik1tttdrtpkdmj9o41r7cqvg@4ax.com> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:46:48 -0700, you wrote: >You need to 'chmod 660 /var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman.db' It >must be writable by the 'list group or it can't be updated by the web >server running the create CGI. I did that and am still receiving the unknown virtual host error when creating the list from the Web interface. From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com Wed Mar 28 23:24:07 2012 From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:24:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in2.1.11 In-Reply-To: <99s6n796mfjfu4ipl0cv7vlejmms85bo6j@4ax.com> References: <99s6n796mfjfu4ipl0cv7vlejmms85bo6j@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, Steve Matzura wrote: > It would *never* be in my best interest not to give you all the info. > The problem is, I don't know exactly what info you need or want, and > what would be superfluous. Let's see if I can provide more below. > Anything I've omitted, just ask and it shall be yours for the knowing. How about the error message you get when you try to create a list via the web interface. The one that you assumed we would somehow all know without you telling us (having never had an error when creating a list or if I did, not in recent years, I haven't the slightest clue what sort of error message you might have recieved). It seems rather likely that the error you received dealt with alias creation which you seem to want to think of as a second unrelated problem. I'd strongly suggest you start over and provide all relevant information in one post so we don't have to go through several messages to find the information you've dribbled out to us in multiple messages. -- Larry Stone lstone19 at stonejongleux.com From smtgv at noisynotes.com Wed Mar 28 23:40:56 2012 From: smtgv at noisynotes.com (Steve Matzura) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:40:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in2.1.11 In-Reply-To: References: <99s6n796mfjfu4ipl0cv7vlejmms85bo6j@4ax.com> Message-ID: <0017n75jh92reoroeu7rir9k3l1jpbbeg2@4ax.com> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:24:07 -0500 (CDT), you wrote: >On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, Steve Matzura wrote: > >> It would *never* be in my best interest not to give you all the info. >> The problem is, I don't know exactly what info you need or want, and >> what would be superfluous. Let's see if I can provide more below. >> Anything I've omitted, just ask and it shall be yours for the knowing. > >How about the error message you get when you try to create a list via the >web interface. The one that you assumed we would somehow all know without >you telling us (having never had an error when creating a list or if I >did, not in recent years, I haven't the slightest clue what sort of error >message you might have recieved). It seems rather likely that the error >you received dealt with alias creation which you seem to want to think of >as a second unrelated problem. Error already reported in a previous message, but here's the Reader's Digest version. After going through the process of creating a new list via the Web interface, the error message "unknown virtual host" is given, and no mailing list is created. >I'd strongly suggest you start over and provide all relevant information >in one post so we don't have to go through several messages to find the >information you've dribbled out to us in multiple messages. What's relevant? As previously stated, if I knew all the info to provide, I would have done so in the first place. I've since provided everything I know about what's going on when I try to create a list. The real problem here is, I know just enough about Mailman to be dangerous, so before I get dangerous and break something even further than it's already broken, I ask questions. If I provide insufficient information for you to help solve my problem, it's totally and completely unintentional. The expression "I don't know what I don't know" comes to mind. From mark at msapiro.net Wed Mar 28 23:55:54 2012 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 14:55:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterfacein2.1.11 In-Reply-To: <99s6n796mfjfu4ipl0cv7vlejmms85bo6j@4ax.com> Message-ID: Steve Matzura wrote: > >That would be www.theglobalvoice.info with the additional mailman >suffix string, of course. I tried putting add_virtualhost in >mm_cfg.py, but all that did was generate an error saying I'd found a >bug! Obviously that was the wrong thing to do, so I removed it, and >now we're back to the "unknown virtual host" error on the web create >form. OK. If I understand, you attempt to create a list from the web UI and you get an error "Unknown virtual host: www.theglobalvoice.info". This means two things: 1) the list was not created so, of course, no aliases were created for it, and 2) the host www.theglobalvoice.info is not a key in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary which means there is no add_virtualhost('www.theglobalvoice.info', 'whatever.the.email.host.is') entry in mm_cfg.py. So what add_virtualhost() did you put in mm_cfg.py? What is in Mailman's error log corresponding to the "we hit a bug"? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From lstone19 at stonejongleux.com Thu Mar 29 01:19:29 2012 From: lstone19 at stonejongleux.com (Larry Stone) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 18:19:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in2.1.11 In-Reply-To: <0017n75jh92reoroeu7rir9k3l1jpbbeg2@4ax.com> References: <99s6n796mfjfu4ipl0cv7vlejmms85bo6j@4ax.com> <0017n75jh92reoroeu7rir9k3l1jpbbeg2@4ax.com> Message-ID: <20C774FA-26B5-425D-AF04-8DC76BD7ECDF@stonejongleux.com> On Mar 28, 2012, at 4:40 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:24:07 -0500 (CDT), you wrote: > >>> >>> >> >> How about the error message you get when you try to create a list via the >> web interface. The one that you assumed we would somehow all know without >> you telling us (having never had an error when creating a list or if I >> did, not in recent years, I haven't the slightest clue what sort of error >> message you might have recieved). It seems rather likely that the error >> you received dealt with alias creation which you seem to want to think of >> as a second unrelated problem. > > Error already reported in a previous message, but here's the Reader's > Digest version. After going through the process of creating a new list > via the Web interface, the error message "unknown virtual host" is > given, and no mailing list is created. > Just to show you how confused this became, I thought "unknown virtual host" was the error being returned to someone trying to post. I do not recall you ever saying that was the error the web interface was returning. -- Larry Stone lstone19 at stonejongleux.com http://www.stonejongleux.com/ From smtgv at noisynotes.com Thu Mar 29 01:54:17 2012 From: smtgv at noisynotes.com (Steve Matzura) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:54:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in2.1.11 In-Reply-To: <20C774FA-26B5-425D-AF04-8DC76BD7ECDF@stonejongleux.com> References: <99s6n796mfjfu4ipl0cv7vlejmms85bo6j@4ax.com> <0017n75jh92reoroeu7rir9k3l1jpbbeg2@4ax.com> <20C774FA-26B5-425D-AF04-8DC76BD7ECDF@stonejongleux.com> Message-ID: I've obviously bunged this up badly. Now here it is, all correct and properly assigned to each half of the problem: When creating the list admin at theglobalvoice.info, "unknown virtual host" is the error, but some way, somehow, the list gets partially created. If I send a message to that partially created list, Mailman sends back a message of undeliverability with this error text: Remote host said: 550 5.1.1 : Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table I looked in postfix.cf and discovered the virtual host name is really patronus.theglobalvoice.info, which may have something to do with why the Web create doesn't work, but 'newlist' does. On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 18:19:29 -0500, you wrote: > >On Mar 28, 2012, at 4:40 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: > >> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:24:07 -0500 (CDT), you wrote: >> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> How about the error message you get when you try to create a list via the >>> web interface. The one that you assumed we would somehow all know without >>> you telling us (having never had an error when creating a list or if I >>> did, not in recent years, I haven't the slightest clue what sort of error >>> message you might have recieved). It seems rather likely that the error >>> you received dealt with alias creation which you seem to want to think of >>> as a second unrelated problem. >> >> Error already reported in a previous message, but here's the Reader's >> Digest version. After going through the process of creating a new list >> via the Web interface, the error message "unknown virtual host" is >> given, and no mailing list is created. >> > >Just to show you how confused this became, I thought "unknown virtual host" was the error being returned to someone trying to post. I do not recall you ever saying that was the error the web interface was returning. From mark at msapiro.net Thu Mar 29 02:28:25 2012 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:28:25 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterfacein2.1.11 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve Matzura wrote: > >When creating the list admin at theglobalvoice.info, "unknown virtual >host" is the error, but some way, somehow, the list gets partially >created. How do you know this? Is the list visible in the web UI? In bin/list_lists? >If I send a message to that partially created list, Mailman sends back >a message of undeliverability with this error text: > >Remote host said: 550 5.1.1 : Recipient >address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table > >I looked in postfix.cf and discovered the virtual host name is really >patronus.theglobalvoice.info, which may have something to do with why >the Web create doesn't work, but 'newlist' does. It may, but I can't say with the information I have. I'd need to see 'postconf -n' but I don't think that's necessary. I think the issue is the aliases were never created because of the error in the create CGI. Do you have add_virtualhost('www.theglobalvoice.info', 'theglobalvoice.info') or perhaps the equivalent DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.theglobalvoice.info' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'theglobalvoice.info' followed by add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) in mm_cfg.py. Please answer this specific question and also the other specific questions I asked in my reply at . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From smtgv at noisynotes.com Thu Mar 29 03:48:35 2012 From: smtgv at noisynotes.com (Steve Matzura) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:48:35 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via web interface in2.1.11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:28:25 -0700, you wrote: >How do you know this? Is the list visible in the web UI? In >bin/list_lists? Neither. >It may, but I can't say with the information I have. I'd need to see >'postconf -n' but I don't think that's necessary. I think the issue is >the aliases were never created because of the error in the create CGI. > >Do you have > >add_virtualhost('www.theglobalvoice.info', 'theglobalvoice.info') > >or perhaps the equivalent > >DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.theglobalvoice.info' >DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'theglobalvoice.info' > >followed by >add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > >in mm_cfg.py. The line: add_virtualhost('www.theglobalvoice.info', 'theglobalvoice.info') did not exist in mm_cfg.py until now. I added it directly in front of: add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) I then saved mm_cfg.py and restarted mailman with `mailmanctl restart' and attempted to create the mailing list. IT WORKED! It showed up in all four placess-output from list_lists, as the last stanza in virtual-mailman, as the last stanza in aliases, and in the Web UI! I thank you for bearing with me, I apologize for insufficient detailed error reporting, but with your collective assistance, it's now running correctly. What is the purpose of the line I added? Does it "point" www.theglobalvoice.info to the real domain of theglobalvoice.info since that's where all the email list addresses go? If that's the case, why did the Web UI create not work? Does it carry the "www" subdomain with it in the underlying commands that actually do the list creation? If so, then that explains everything to me. If I'm totally off the mark, then I need to go back to school! To recap: I changed permissions on the aliases and virtual-mailman db files to +660 (-rw-rw----). I added the line: add_virtualhost('www.theglobalvoice.info', 'theglobalvoice.info') to /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py directly in front of the line: add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) and saved mm_cfg.py. I restarted Mailman wit `/var/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl restart'. To test, I created a mailing list with the Web UI and checked for its existence in list_lists and in the aliases and virtual-mailman files in /var/lib/mailman/data. Everything checks out and the new mailing list is operating correctly. Did I forget to check or report on anything? From mark at msapiro.net Thu Mar 29 04:37:42 2012 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:37:42 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in2.1.11 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve Matzura wrote: I wrote: > >>How do you know this? Is the list visible in the web UI? In >>bin/list_lists? > >Neither. Then the list didn't exist. It was not created, partially or otherwise. >>Do you have >> >>add_virtualhost('www.theglobalvoice.info', 'theglobalvoice.info') >> >>or perhaps the equivalent >> >>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.theglobalvoice.info' >>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'theglobalvoice.info' >> >>followed by >>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) >> >>in mm_cfg.py. > >The line: > >add_virtualhost('www.theglobalvoice.info', 'theglobalvoice.info') > >did not exist in mm_cfg.py until now. I added it directly in front of: > >add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) OK. >I then saved mm_cfg.py and restarted mailman with `mailmanctl restart' >and attempted to create the mailing list. IT WORKED! It showed up in >all four placess-output from list_lists, as the last stanza in >virtual-mailman, as the last stanza in aliases, and in the Web UI! I >thank you for bearing with me, I apologize for insufficient detailed >error reporting, but with your collective assistance, it's now running >correctly. > >What is the purpose of the line I added? Does it "point" >www.theglobalvoice.info to the real domain of theglobalvoice.info >since that's where all the email list addresses go? It maps the web host www.theglobalvoice.info to the email domain theglobalvoice.info. >If that's the >case, why did the Web UI create not work? Does it carry the "www" >subdomain with it in the underlying commands that actually do the list >creation? If so, then that explains everything to me. If I'm totally >off the mark, then I need to go back to school! In order to create a list, we must know two fully qualified domains. The web domain which is the host name that will be used in URLs that access the list and the email domain which is the domain that list mail is sent to. bin/newlist has command line options for specifying these and will fall back to DEFAULT_*_HOST settings as necessary. The web create CGI determines these domains by taking the host portion of the URL that invoked it as the web domain and looking up the corresponding email domain in the dictionary created by the add_virtualhost() lines. If it can't find an entry for the web domain in that dictionary, it can't determine the email domain for the list so it tells you that the web domain is an "unknown virtual host" and doesn't create the list. It won't use DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST because that's the email host associated with DEFAULT_URL_HOST, and you must not be DEFAULT_URL_HOST because there is *always* a add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) line. Thus, you are coming from some other (virtual) host which is unknown because it doesn't have an add_virtualhost() line. [...] >Everything checks out and the new mailing list is operating correctly. Good. >Did I forget to check or report on anything? Well, you never answered the questions I asked at so we don't know what was wrong there, but presumably, you don't care as you reversed whatever you did and it's working now. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From smtgv at noisynotes.com Thu Mar 29 06:47:22 2012 From: smtgv at noisynotes.com (Steve Matzura) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:47:22 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating mailing lists via webinterface in2.1.11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:37:42 -0700, you wrote: >>Did I forget to check or report on anything? > > >Well, you never answered the questions I asked at > >so we don't know what was wrong there, but presumably, you don't care >as you reversed whatever you did and it's working now. Actually, I didn't "reverse" anything. You asked: >So what add_virtualhost() did you put in mm_cfg.py? I actually tried, and backed out, two things before coming for help to this list, both of which made things worse! I tried add_virtualhost('www.theglobalvoice.info', 'www.theglobalvoice.info'), and the same line without the "www.". Adding this line gave me the "You hit a bug" message in the Web create UI, which is why I backed it out and set things back the way they'd been. Regarding: >What is in Mailman's error log corresponding to the "we hit a bug"? I don't know because I don't know enough about Mailman to have even had a chance to look. There's one thing about all of this you don't know because I haven't mentioned it, and it goes back to when I said I don't even know what I don't know. While I've been tasked to keeping theglobalvoice.info running, my only credentials for doing so are that I'm reasonably good at learning quickly--I am not a *ux system or site administrator of any stripe. Ask me lots of questions about VAX/Alpha VMS and I can talk your ear off, as that's what I've spent the last 30 years doing professionally. Show me a *ux system prompt and the first thing I know to do is "man {something}", and if that doesn't solve whatever is wrong, I start Googling until I find something to at least try. I'd gotten to that point and figured out it probably had something to do with add_virtualhost, but not understanding (until now) exactly what that directive does, I was floundering. Apparently my predecessor, someone actually far more qualified to do this job than I, either didn't know about the proper use of add_virtualhost, or was happy enough with using the command-line `newlist' to create new mailing lists, because there are eight of them already on the system running successfully. The site owner told me that she always knew there was a problem with the Web UI, but the previous techie guy had a workaround for it--namely, using `newlist' as root. I, being the type who doesn't like loose ends or unsolved mysteries, stuck my neck out and said I'd fix it ... and you know the rest. From leo at oneko.de Thu Mar 29 12:51:54 2012 From: leo at oneko.de (Leo Hackstein) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:51:54 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Batch Add/Remove Users via Mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F743ECA.80600@oneko.de> On 27/03/2012 21:19, Mark Sapiro wrote: > See the latter portion of the FAQ at . Thank you very much, haven't seen that before. Using wget sounds a bit counterintuitive, but it seems to work. From thomas at ifi.uio.no Fri Mar 30 19:31:23 2012 From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 19:31:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] An ordinary message for the list Message-ID: Sorry for the meaningless subject, but when I try to post this message with a meaningful subject, such as Subject: How to stop automatic sp?m deletion confirmations? , python.org's sp?m fillter(*) is triggered. Apparently it is not easy to discuss sp?m filltering... (*) Yes, I know the correct spelling of that word. Anyway, my question is: My sp?m fillters trigger "sp?m deletion confirmations" like the one below. I don't want them, I want silent sp?m deletion. How do I turn the confirmations off?? I've looked just about everywhere and I can't find it. Surely it must be possible to stop this? Thomas Gramstad ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:57:41 +0200 From: cc-no-referansegruppe-bounces at mailman.kunnskapsallmenning.no To: cc-no-referansegruppe-owner at mailman.kunnskapsallmenning.no Subject: Automatisk melding: din epost ble avvist Den vedlagte meldingen er automatisk forkastet. From mailman at veggiechinese.net Fri Mar 30 19:46:07 2012 From: mailman at veggiechinese.net (William Yardley) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:46:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Batch Add/Remove Users via Mail In-Reply-To: <4F743ECA.80600@oneko.de> References: <4F743ECA.80600@oneko.de> Message-ID: <20120330174607.GG14807@mitch.veggiechinese.net> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:51:54PM +0200, Leo Hackstein wrote: > On 27/03/2012 21:19, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > See the latter portion of the FAQ at . > Thank you very much, haven't seen that before. Using wget sounds a bit > counterintuitive, but it seems to work. You can do it directly in Perl or Python (or whatever) using modules designed for this (LWP or WWW::Mechanize in Perl, for example). I don't know if there existing tools to do this, but there should be plenty of example code to do similar things. I know you said that the tool won't run on the same system as Mailman, but if you can open up the database that the list addresses come from and run the script there, this probably would make your life easier. I wrote something in Python recently to sync between LDAP and Mailman, but I do run it on one of the machines that's hooked into our Mailman infrastructure. w From mark at msapiro.net Fri Mar 30 20:19:03 2012 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:19:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] An ordinary message for the list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thomas Gramstad wrote: > >My sp?m fillters trigger "sp?m deletion confirmations" like the >one below. I don't want them, I want silent sp?m deletion. How >do I turn the confirmations off?? I've looked just about >everywhere and I can't find it. Surely it must be possible to >stop this? The message below did not come from any spam filtering. It is a message sent to the list owner when a non-member post is discarded (either because the poster is in Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> discard_these_nonmembers or Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> generic_nonmember_action is Discard) and Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> forward_auto_discards is Yes >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:57:41 +0200 >From: cc-no-referansegruppe-bounces at mailman.kunnskapsallmenning.no >To: cc-no-referansegruppe-owner at mailman.kunnskapsallmenning.no >Subject: Automatisk melding: din epost ble avvist > >Den vedlagte meldingen er automatisk forkastet. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From sascha at rissel.it Sat Mar 31 10:17:21 2012 From: sascha at rissel.it (Sascha Rissel) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:17:21 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regular expression for Spam Filter wanted Message-ID: Hello all, I am running mailman on Debian/Plesk with a Spam-Filter which prefixes headers of spam mails with "***SPAM***". I tried to filter these mails in mailman using spam filter rule "^Subject:\*\*\*SPAM\*\*\*", but that doesn't work. Could you please help me? Thanks, Sascha. From malcolm.austen at weald.org.uk Sat Mar 31 12:47:58 2012 From: malcolm.austen at weald.org.uk (Malcolm Austen) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:47:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regular expression for Spam Filter wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:17:21 +0100, Sascha Rissel wrote: > Hello all, > > I am running mailman on Debian/Plesk with a Spam-Filter which prefixes > headers of spam mails with "***SPAM***". > I tried to filter these mails in mailman using spam filter rule > "^Subject:\*\*\*SPAM\*\*\*", > but that doesn't work. > > Could you please help me? There will (usually) be a space after the colon in the subject line. I always put \s* or even .* after the colon in the regexp. = Malcolm = -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From jdanield at free.fr Sat Mar 31 14:58:37 2012 From: jdanield at free.fr (jdd) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:58:37 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] inn gateway Message-ID: <4F76FF7D.3060301@free.fr> Hello :-) I'm a happy mailman user :-). I have only a small problem I don't know how to fix. I use a mailman<->inn gateway. The two software are on the same server. when somebody write on the newsgroup, the post is sent to the list as well. If somebody try to answer _from the list_, the "to" field of the answer have _two_ values, one for the mailing list, the other for the newsgroup. This second one is unusefull and thunderbird do not like it and one have to remoive it by hand to send the answer. below the headers of a mail read on the mailing list and send from the newsgroup. is there something I can do to remove the "Newsgroups: linux-31" in excess? thanks jdd original post (answer headers below): Return-Path: linux-31-bounces at culte.org Received: from zimbra65-e11.priv.proxad.net (LHLO zimbra65-e11.priv.proxad.net) (172.20.243.215) by zimbra65-e11.priv.proxad.net with LMTP; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:55:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from savage-reborn.culte.org (mx21-g26.priv.proxad.net [172.20.243.91]) by zimbra65-e11.priv.proxad.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CE460D473 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:55:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from savage-reborn.culte.org ([82.234.76.241]) by mx1-g20.free.fr (MXproxy) for jdanield at free.fr; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:55:09 +0200 (CEST) X-ProXaD-SC: state=HAM score=15 Received: from savage-reborn.culte.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by savage-reborn.culte.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F3140029; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:55:04 +0200 (CEST) Path: savage-reborn.culte.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Pascal Hambourg Newsgroups: linux-31 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:53:35 +0200 Organization: Plouf ! Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plouf.fr.eu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: savage-reborn.culte.org 1333191216 19907 213.41.173.35 (31 Mar 2012 10:53:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news at culte.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:53:36 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) In-Reply-To: Xref: savage-reborn.culte.org linux-31:53 To: linux-31 at culte.org Subject: Re: [Linux-31] champs from??? X-BeenThere: linux-31 at culte.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: La liste de discussion du CULTe List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: linux-31-bounces at culte.org Sender: linux-31-bounces at culte.org answer headers: FCC: imap://jdanield at imap.free.fr/Sent X-Identity-Key: id17 Message-ID: <4F76FF1F.9020909 at free.fr> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:57:03 +0200 From: jdd X-Mozilla-Draft-Info: internal/draft; vcard=0; receipt=0; DSN=0; uuencode=0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120312 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: linux-31 X-Mozilla-News-Host: To: linux-31 at culte.org Subject: Re: [Linux-31] champs from??? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -- Jean-Daniel Dodin From parakrama1282 at gmail.com Sat Mar 31 14:05:15 2012 From: parakrama1282 at gmail.com (dhanushka ranasinghe) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 17:35:15 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content filtering mail body Message-ID: Hi guys is it possible to filter and reject any mails that have certain words in them Thank You Dhanushka From mark at msapiro.net Sat Mar 31 19:53:20 2012 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:53:20 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content filtering mail body In-Reply-To: Message-ID: dhanushka ranasinghe wrote: > >is it possible to filter and reject any mails that have certain words in them Yes, it is but it requires a custom handler to examine the message body and take appropriate action. See the FAQ at The handler you want is fairly simple. A basic outline is import re from Mailman import Errors from Mailman import Utils # Compile re to match words with flags like IGNORECASE, etc as desired. CRE = re.compile('re_that_matches_your_words', re.IGNORCASE) # Rejection message if we're rejecting. MESSAGE = Utils.wrap("""Some nice message as to why the message is being rejected.""") def process(mlist, msg, msgdata): for part in msg.walk(): if part.get_content_maintype() == 'text': if CRE.search(part.get_payload(decode=True)): raise Errors.RejectMessage , MESSAGE # or raise Errors.DiscardMessage if you want to # just discard it. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Sat Mar 31 21:15:47 2012 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:15:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] inn gateway In-Reply-To: <4F76FF7D.3060301@free.fr> Message-ID: jdd wrote: > >If somebody try to answer _from the list_, the "to" field of the >answer have _two_ values, one for the mailing list, the other for the >newsgroup. This second one is unusefull and thunderbird do not like it >and one have to remoive it by hand to send the answer. > >below the headers of a mail read on the mailing list and send from the >newsgroup. > >is there something I can do to remove the "Newsgroups: linux-31" in >excess? You can do this a couple of ways in Mailman. The recommended way is a custom handler (because it survives Mailman upgrades). See the FAQ at . The handler itself would be extremely simple, e.g. just the following two lines. def process(mlist, msg, msgdata): del msg['newsgroups'] This removes the header in the pipeline before the message is delivered to the list. Another possibility is to delete the header in Mailman's cron/gate_news before the message is queued in Mailman. This would require adding the line del msg['newsgroups'] just before the lines # Post the message to the locked list inq = get_switchboard(mm_cfg.INQUEUE_DIR) in cron/gate_news. This change is simpler than implementing the custom handler, but it requires re-applying the change following any Mailman update. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jdanield at free.fr Sat Mar 31 23:31:01 2012 From: jdanield at free.fr (jdd) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 23:31:01 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] inn gateway In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F777795.7090703@free.fr> Le 31/03/2012 21:15, Mark Sapiro a ?crit : > You can do this a couple of ways in Mailman. The recommended way is a > I see, thanks. But in fact I didn't expect to have something this raw to change. I guessed I missed some setup. is it normal to have this behavior (double to in the answer)? Previously the system was managed by ezmlm and we didn'"t have this problem (but I didn't manage it, so may be the other admin fixed something) could this also be a thunderbird bug? thanks jdd -- Jean-Daniel Dodin

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