[Mailman-Users] Sent mail from server to subscribers doesn't arrive

Joost Doesburg tsubasa.jm at gmail.com
Sun Apr 21 19:35:09 CEST 2013


Thanks Mark for some good tips to at least get my configuration a bit
better. I decided to change the CNAME of my host to an A record for full
circle DNS which seems to work (the host is joost-vps.joostdoesburg.eu) and
also change the myhostname in postfix to reflect joost-vps.joostdoesburg.eu.

At least some mails get through to GMail now (sent from another account)
but still not to all accounts. At least I can post a header of the GMail
mail. Is there any checking to be done on that one? Sounds like 'best guess
records' raises red flags for me: maybe it's a sign for other providers to
reject mails?

Delivered-To: tsubasa.jm at gmail.com
Received: by 10.194.25.234 with SMTP id f10csp29440wjg;
        Sun, 21 Apr 2013 10:20:36 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 10.180.73.134 with SMTP id l6mr57680823wiv.4.1366564836551;
        Sun, 21 Apr 2013 10:20:36 -0700 (PDT)
Return-Path: <chat-bounces at cardiacs.nl>
Received: from joost-vps.joostdoesburg.eu (joost-vps.joostdoesburg.eu.
[185.10.49.101])
        by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i3si8112028wje.211.2013.04.21.10.20.36;
        Sun, 21 Apr 2013 10:20:36 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 185.10.49.101 is neither permitted
nor denied by best guess record for domain of
chat-bounces at cardiacs.nl) client-ip=185.10.49.101;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
       spf=neutral (google.com: 185.10.49.101 is neither permitted nor
denied by best guess record for domain of chat-bounces at cardiacs.nl)
smtp.mail=chat-bounces at cardiacs.nl
Received: from joost-vps.joostdoesburg.eu (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by joost-vps.joostdoesburg.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B572004F5
	for <tsubasa.jm at gmail.com>; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:20:36 +0200 (CEST)
X-Original-To: chat at cardiacs.nl
Delivered-To: chat at joost-vps.joostdoesburg.eu
Received: by joost-vps.joostdoesburg.eu (Postfix, from userid 500)
	id 396F7200505; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:20:35 +0200 (CEST)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:20:35 +0200
To: chat at cardiacs.nl
User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-Id: <20130421172035.396F7200505 at joost-vps.joostdoesburg.eu>
From: joost at joostdoesburg.eu
Subject: [Cardiacs Chat] check de header jonguh
X-BeenThere: chat at cardiacs.nl
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Cardiacs Chat <chat.cardiacs.nl>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://cardiacs.nl/mailman/options/chat>,
	<mailto:chat-request at cardiacs.nl?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://cardiacs.nl/pipermail/chat/>
List-Post: <mailto:chat at cardiacs.nl>
List-Help: <mailto:chat-request at cardiacs.nl?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://cardiacs.nl/mailman/listinfo/chat>,
	<mailto:chat-request at cardiacs.nl?subject=subscribe>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender: chat-bounces at cardiacs.nl
Errors-To: chat-bounces at cardiacs.nl



2013/4/21 Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>

>
>
> 9132C2004FA - delivered to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[173.194.66.26]:25
> for <tsubasa.jm at gmail.com> after unsuccessfully trying an IPV6 MX
> gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[2a00:1450:400c:c03::1a]:25.
>
> However, this is the poster's address so the message will be discarded
> by gmail. See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/2IA9>.
>
>
That's fine by me, I have seen this behaviour before and I'll live with
that.


> ISPs tend to be secretive about why they discard mail and there's often
> little you can do. <joost at sonogy.nl> can inquire of TransIP BV as to why
> they aren't delivering this mail that he wants to receive, but that's
> not likely to help much.
>

Concerning the text on http://wiki.list.org/x/4oA9 I wonder if that's it.
It would be sad if that is the case cause it would basically render the
idea of setting up a maillist on your own domain useless, if providers just
decide to withhold mail and not even put it in spam boxes or anything.


> You may have IPV4 vs IPV6 issues here.
>

I did. Postfix was attempting delivery though a DHCP obtained IPv6 address
which was wrong. I disabled IPv6 on the server itself and also in Postfix
(inet_protocols = ipv4) and that got rid of those messages.


> Also, can you send mail directly from this postfix to <joost at sonogy.nl>
> without involving Mailman?
>

As a matter of fact I can. A typical header looks like this:

Delivered-To: tsubasa.jm at gmail.com
Received: by 10.194.25.234 with SMTP id f10csp29646wjg;
        Sun, 21 Apr 2013 10:30:37 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 10.194.7.68 with SMTP id h4mr44735341wja.49.1366565436532;
        Sun, 21 Apr 2013 10:30:36 -0700 (PDT)
DomainKey-Status: bad format
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of
root at joostdoesburg.eu designates 185.10.49.101 as permitted sender)
client-ip=185.10.49.101;
Received: by 10.217.79.14 with POP3 id s14mf1117363wey.4;
        Sun, 21 Apr 2013 10:30:36 -0700 (PDT)
X-Gmail-Fetch-Info: joost at sonogy.nl 1 mail1.transip.nl 110 sonogy
Return-Path: <root at joostdoesburg.eu>
Delivered-To: sonogy at sonogy.nl
Received: from webhosting1.transip.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by webhosting1.transip.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77330235A83C
	for <sonogy at sonogy.nl>; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:30:29 +0200 (CEST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at webhosting1.transip.nl
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.38
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.38 required=6 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599,
	TVD_SPACE_RATIO=2.219] autolearn=no
Received: from webhosting1.transip.nl ([127.0.0.1])
	by webhosting1.transip.nl (webhosting1.transip.nl [127.0.0.1])
(amavisd-new, port 10024)
	with ESMTP id ueHnIB7ywliC for <sonogy at sonogy.nl>;
	Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:30:28 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from joost-vps.joostdoesburg.eu (joost-vps.joostdoesburg.eu
[185.10.49.101])
	by webhosting1.transip.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F864235A833
	for <joost at sonogy.nl>; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:30:14 +0200 (CEST)
Received: by joost-vps.joostdoesburg.eu (Postfix, from userid 0)
	id 0A0D8200501; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:30:14 +0200 (CEST)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:30:13 +0200
To: joost at sonogy.nl
Subject: bla
User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Message-Id: <20130421173014.0A0D8200501 at joost-vps.joostdoesburg.eu>
From: root at joostdoesburg.eu (root)




> I don't see any smtp log entries here.
>

Sorry, I did a mistpaste there. A typical smtp log entry is:

Apr 21 12:17:29 2013 (7332) <CAD4hotnuSRasGJP2i7nCx5FiHRLF7RC7=
RDb0++dDw4jd1X+zg at mail.gmail.com> smtp to chat for 3 recips, completed in
0.059 seconds


Thanks for any additional info you're able to provide me.


Regards,

Joost.


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