From aspamkiller at yandex.ru  Tue Jan  1 09:58:10 2013
From: aspamkiller at yandex.ru (=?UTF-8?B?0JTQnw==?=)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 10:58:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] again postfix+aliases+virtual_domains [RESOLVED]
In-Reply-To: <50CE25D4.6080303@msapiro.net>
References: <20121216172023.f2b87c5458dcbb2014f46c7b@yandex.ru>
	<50CE0C58.70202@msapiro.net>
	<20121216210844.d7e09ac7308e4db63367cae5@yandex.ru>
	<50CE25D4.6080303@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <20130101105810.8984f81a001bd9b902c37643@yandex.ru>

Hi all.

Thank you for help, and Happy New Year, guys.

My working configuration (anonymyzed) is below.

Also the last truble I`ve got is described at http://wiki.list.org/x/mIA9 (link is written in mm_cfg.py without any description) - that one to make mailman to get what I changed in mailman, postfix and apache`s config to correspond each other.

//Dimitri
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From karra.etc at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 04:41:57 2013
From: karra.etc at gmail.com (Sriram Karra)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 09:11:57 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change one config var for all Lists on server
Message-ID: <CAFkt3UNmFtDA5Lbqdy39NwPzsFCR+vAfhrjkb9u2xDpm7UWsGA@mail.gmail.com>

I only wish to increase the max message size for all lists
(DEFAULT_MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE)

What's the simplest way to do this? I guess I could

(a) iterate over all lists
(b) dump the configuration using the config_list -o command
(c) replace the DEFAULT_MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE value using sed or something
(d) reload the configuration with config_list -i command

I would like to believe there is a simpler way to do something as basic as
this. What am I missing?

-Karra

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Jan  2 06:23:34 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 21:23:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change one config var for all Lists on server
In-Reply-To: <CAFkt3UNmFtDA5Lbqdy39NwPzsFCR+vAfhrjkb9u2xDpm7UWsGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFkt3UNmFtDA5Lbqdy39NwPzsFCR+vAfhrjkb9u2xDpm7UWsGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50E3C456.8080901@msapiro.net>

On 1/1/2013 7:41 PM, Sriram Karra wrote:
> I only wish to increase the max message size for all lists
> (DEFAULT_MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE)
> 
> What's the simplest way to do this? I guess I could
> 
> (a) iterate over all lists
> (b) dump the configuration using the config_list -o command
> (c) replace the DEFAULT_MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE value using sed or something
> (d) reload the configuration with config_list -i command
> 
> I would like to believe there is a simpler way to do something as basic as
> this. What am I missing?


First of all, you are confusing DEFAULT_MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE with a list's
max_message_size. DEFAULT_MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE is a Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py
setting that is used to set max_message_size for a list when the list is
created. The list's max_message_size is apparently what you want to change.

The next thing you are missing is that settings not mentioned in the
input file to bin/config_list are unchanged, so all you need is a one
line input file

max_message_size = ...

and run config_list over all lists with that input.  There are other
ways to do this using bin/withlist too.

In your case, you could do something like

#!/bin/bash
cd /path/to/mailman
input=`mktemp`
echo "max_message_size = ..." > $input
for list in `bin/list_lists -- bare`; do
   bin/config_list -i $input $list
done
rm $input

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From karra.etc at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 08:22:46 2013
From: karra.etc at gmail.com (Sriram Karra)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:52:46 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change one config var for all Lists on server
In-Reply-To: <50E3C456.8080901@msapiro.net>
References: <CAFkt3UNmFtDA5Lbqdy39NwPzsFCR+vAfhrjkb9u2xDpm7UWsGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<50E3C456.8080901@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <CAFkt3UM+8aKUGMB-fv4yQQ+=THxfgJWQAxWoFdpRghXPjnVPLQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

>
> First of all, you are confusing DEFAULT_MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE with a list's
> max_message_size. DEFAULT_MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE is a Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py
> setting that is used to set max_message_size for a list when the list is
> created. The list's max_message_size is apparently what you want to change.
>
> The next thing you are missing is that settings not mentioned in the
> input file to bin/config_list are unchanged,


Super. I was not aware of this. Thanks a bunch.

From hawat.thufir at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 09:27:04 2013
From: hawat.thufir at gmail.com (Thufir)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 00:27:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug (probably not) /usr/sbin/postalias
 /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
Message-ID: <CAOwGw7M-tGSK0HYddFhYQ0_C-R+eNEOBbByngcpWpMwEV8sWaQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm doubting that this is a bug:


Bug in Mailman version 2.1.15

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.




Jan 01 19:40:49 2013 mailmanctl(3714): PID unreadable in:
/var/run/mailman/mailman.pid
Jan 01 19:40:49 2013 mailmanctl(3714): [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/var/run/mailman/mailman.pid'
Jan 01 19:40:49 2013 mailmanctl(3714): Is qrunner even running?
Jan 02 00:18:02 2013 (8631) command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
Jan 02 00:18:02 2013 admin(8631):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(8631): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.15 -----]
admin(8631): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(8631): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(8631):   File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
admin(8631):     main()
admin(8631):   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 56, in
main
admin(8631):     process_request(doc, cgidata)
admin(8631):   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 239, in
process_request
admin(8631):     sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
admin(8631):   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 241, in
create
admin(8631):     _update_maps()
admin(8631):   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in
_update_maps
admin(8631):     raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
admin(8631): RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
admin(8631): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(8631): sys.version     =   2.7.3 (default, Sep 26 2012, 21:53:58)
[GCC 4.7.2]
admin(8631): sys.executable  =   /usr/bin/python
admin(8631): sys.prefix      =   /usr
admin(8631): sys.exec_prefix =   /usr
admin(8631): sys.path        =   ['/var/lib/mailman/pythonlib',
'/var/lib/mailman', '/usr/lib/mailman/scripts', '/var/lib/mailman',
'/usr/lib/python2.7/', '/usr/lib/python2.7/plat-linux2',
'/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-old',
'/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages']
admin(8631): sys.platform    =   linux2
admin(8631): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(8631):     HTTP_REFERER:
http://dur.bounceme.net/cgi-bin/mailman/create
admin(8631):     SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/2.2.22 (Ubuntu)
admin(8631):     SCRIPT_NAME: /cgi-bin/mailman/create
admin(8631):     SERVER_SIGNATURE: <address>Apache/2.2.22 (Ubuntu) Server
at dur.bounceme.net Port 80</address>
admin(8631):
admin(8631):     REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(8631):     SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(8631):     QUERY_STRING:
admin(8631):     CONTENT_LENGTH: 151
admin(8631):     HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux i686;
rv:17.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/17.0
admin(8631):     HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive
admin(8631):     SERVER_NAME: dur.bounceme.net
admin(8631):     REMOTE_ADDR: 127.0.0.1
admin(8631):     SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(8631):     SERVER_ADDR: 127.0.1.1
admin(8631):     DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www
admin(8631):     PYTHONPATH: /var/lib/mailman
admin(8631):     SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/create
admin(8631):     SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at localhost
admin(8631):     HTTP_HOST: dur.bounceme.net
admin(8631):     REQUEST_URI: /cgi-bin/mailman/create
admin(8631):     HTTP_ACCEPT:
text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
admin(8631):     GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(8631):     REMOTE_PORT: 41626
admin(8631):     HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-US,en;q=0.5
admin(8631):     CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(8631):     HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate




Ohhhh, I think that I didn't create the aliases, that's all.   Pardon,
already copy/pasted, etc, so may as well click send before heading off to
bed.  Pardon, I installed mailman, got it working, and then going through
the process again, should've RTFM again.


thanks,

Thufir

From joliver at john-oliver.net  Wed Jan  2 16:50:47 2013
From: joliver at john-oliver.net (John Oliver)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 07:50:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help with mailman mail is coming into my
	spam	box
In-Reply-To: <87obhdo9k6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <1356634801.25071.YahooMailNeo@web162101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<87obhdo9k6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <20130102155047.GA30424@ns2.sdsitehosting.net>

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:51:05AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Also, you should check that indeed no spam *at all* is getting through
> your list.  Even one true spam will trigger some services' blacklists,
> and you will go through hell (ie, huge amounts of bureaucratic
> registering and proving your worthiness to send mail to their
> customers) trying to get back on their good sides.  If you *did* pass
> *any* spam, or even a legitimate post from a user selling something,
> be prepared to explain what you are doing to stop that in the future,
> or demonstrate that your double opt-in process informs the users at
> every stage that your list includes email solicitations (ie, if the
> user didn't explicitly acknowledge they want them, they *are* UCE).

Way back in the early days of spam-fighting, using the term "double
opt-in" was a sure way to get on various blocklists.  There is no such
thing.  That was a code phrase twisted by the spammers, who wanted to
claim that their possession of any email address was "opt-in", and any
attempt to CONFIRM the opt-in was "double opt-in".  If I was running an
abuse desk and working an issue about "incorrectly blocked" email, it
would be a huge help to me to know that the person I was dealing with
really understood the issue.  Use the term "confirmed opt-in", and
you'll get a better response.  Show that you understand the issue and
are on their side, rather than just trying to get around them.

-- 
***********************************************************************
* John Oliver                             http://www.john-oliver.net/ *
*                                                                     *
***********************************************************************

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Jan  2 21:56:08 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 12:56:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman  2.1.12
In-Reply-To: <50dd94e6.1095cc0a.5b94.65f7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <PC1993201301021256080359c8914b6f@MSAPIRO>

Frank Murphy wrote:
>
>looking through the Admin Interface.
>I'm trying to work out where
>to place following:
>
>Subject must contain: "from" (the word)


In Privacy opyions... -> Spam filters -> header_filter_rules use a
regexp along the lines of

^Subject:.*\Wfrom\W

with an action of Accept followed by a rule with a regexp like "."
(i.e. matches anything) with a appropriate action like Hold or Discard.


>Mail Body must contain: "Reporter: @ (word Reporter: + @ symbol)


There is no standard configuration option for filtering based on
message bodies. You need to use a custom handler. See
<http://wiki.list.org/x/l4A9>.

If you mean the message must satisfy both of the above, you need a
custom handler to test both conditions and act accordingly.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From stephen at xemacs.org  Fri Jan  4 18:31:17 2013
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 02:31:17 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message from a non-subscriber (Dropbox) on
	a	member-only list
In-Reply-To: <50E6C1CF.4030109@free.fr>
References: <50E6C1CF.4030109@free.fr>
Message-ID: <87pq1kc0t6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

dc writes:

 > How can a non-subscribed address (From: Dropbox 
 > <no-reply at dropboxmail.com>) post to a closed mailing list?

That would not authorize the post.  However, From is not the only
datum checked.

 > Why wasn't this invitation rejected?

Because the sender's address appeared in one of the other data used to
identify a member post.

 > (The person who had the invitation sent is a subscriber, but her
 > address doesn't appear in any of the headers.)

It doesn't appear in any of the fields visible to you.  However, not
all MUAs display the "Sender" field (although Microsoft MUAs display
real confusion when one is present), and few display the "Reply-To"
field.  Finally, it may be in the "envelope sender".

To change which data are used to determine the header, customize the
USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER and/or SENDER_HEADER options in mm_cfg.py.
(Documentation and defaults are in Defaults.py, but you should not
edit that file.)


From dikim at cs.indiana.edu  Fri Jan  4 17:50:18 2013
From: dikim at cs.indiana.edu (DongInn Kim)
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 11:50:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Good use of the site list?
Message-ID: <3BEAF07B-CA30-4A5F-A3E6-F653E5082C6E@cs.indiana.edu>

Hi,

Is there a way to make a good use of the site list? It seems that it is just a representative list for all the other actual lists in a system. 
Nobody can use the list to notify the site admin. Of course it is possible to send an email to <site_list_name>-owner at example.com to notify the site admin but it would nice to use it to notify the site admin instead of using <site_list_name>-owner at .
Especially, the site list is advertised on the front page of the main list website like "If you are having trouble using the lists, please contact <site_list_name>@example.com." but any sender gets the reject email from this email.

So, I like to use it as an representative mailing list to the users who have subscribed a mailing list or more in my system so that they can send an email to the site admin without having to subscribe it.

Is it possible?

Regards,

--
- DongInn


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jan  5 15:05:16 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 06:05:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Good use of the site list?
In-Reply-To: <3BEAF07B-CA30-4A5F-A3E6-F653E5082C6E@cs.indiana.edu>
References: <3BEAF07B-CA30-4A5F-A3E6-F653E5082C6E@cs.indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <1078a7cc-eb69-43be-98b7-c1f319df79c1@email.android.com>

DongInn Kim <dikim at cs.indiana.edu> wrote:
>
>So, I like to use it as an representative mailing list to the users who
>have subscribed a mailing list or more in my system so that they can
>send an email to the site admin without having to subscribe it.
>
>Is it possible?


Yes. Subscribe the site admin to the site list and set the list's generic_nonmember_action to Accept.



-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>
Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Jan  6 06:30:28 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 21:30:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Good use of the site list?
In-Reply-To: <C18DF83E-BBF2-452D-BCEF-4D92AFFC12D2@cs.indiana.edu>
References: <3BEAF07B-CA30-4A5F-A3E6-F653E5082C6E@cs.indiana.edu>
	<1078a7cc-eb69-43be-98b7-c1f319df79c1@email.android.com>
	<C18DF83E-BBF2-452D-BCEF-4D92AFFC12D2@cs.indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <50E90BF4.6070304@msapiro.net>

On 1/5/2013 7:14 AM, DongInn Kim wrote:
> 
> Couldn't it be the prey of spammers then?
> What I meant is to allow only all the valid users who have subscribed for at least one mailing list to write an email to the site list but not all generic nonmember.


Then put @LISTNAME in the site list's accept_these_nonmembers for each
LISTNAME in the installation other than the site list.

Consider

#!/bin/bash
cd /path/to/mailman
f=`mktemp`
bin/list_lists --bare |
awk 'BEGIN{print "accept_these_nonmembers = ["}
    !/^SITE_LIST$/{print "@"$1","}
    END{print "]"}' > $f
bin/config_list -i $f SITE_LIST
rm $f


where SITE_LIST is the name of the site list (probably mailman).

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jan  6 20:31:10 2013
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 13:31:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate Messages
Message-ID: <auto-000092671552@mailfront3.g2host.com>

My Mailman system sends out duplicate (two copies) of some 
administrative-type messages.  There are two password reminder 
messages sent out each month, two copies of the once-a-day message 
that announces pending messages in a list, and two messages each 
morning at 8:00 a.m. from the list mailman.  There isn't such a list 
where the links work, can be edited etc.  Presume it is the template 
for other lists, or some such thing.

What causes these behaviors and how do I fix them?  Thanks in advance.

Dave


From cpz at tuunq.com  Sun Jan  6 20:55:21 2013
From: cpz at tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig)
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 11:55:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate Messages
In-Reply-To: <auto-000092671552@mailfront3.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000092671552@mailfront3.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <50E9D6A9.5060007@tuunq.com>

On 1/6/2013 11:31 AM, David Andrews wrote:
> My Mailman system sends out duplicate (two copies) of some
> administrative-type messages.  There are two password reminder messages sent
> out each month, two copies of the once-a-day message that announces pending
> messages in a list, and two messages each morning at 8:00 a.m. from the list
> mailman.

Do you have two cron jobs en-queued? Maybe one set as user 'mailman' and 
another as 'root'.

z!

From bsfinkel at att.net  Sun Jan  6 21:25:18 2013
From: bsfinkel at att.net (Barry S. Finkel)
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 14:25:18 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate Messages
In-Reply-To: <auto-000092671552@mailfront3.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000092671552@mailfront3.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <50E9DDAE.10005@att.net>

On 1/6/2013 1:31 PM, David Andrews wrote:
> My Mailman system sends out duplicate (two copies) of some 
> administrative-type messages.  There are two password reminder 
> messages sent out each month, two copies of the once-a-day message 
> that announces pending messages in a list, and two messages each 
> morning at 8:00 a.m. from the list mailman. There isn't such a list 
> where the links work, can be edited etc. Presume it is the template 
> for other lists, or some such thing.
>
> What causes these behaviors and how do I fix them?  Thanks in advance.
>
> Dave
>
Look to see if you have two crontab sets - one old-style and one new-style.
--Barry Finkel

From dikim at cs.indiana.edu  Sun Jan  6 22:04:17 2013
From: dikim at cs.indiana.edu (DongInn Kim)
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 16:04:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Good use of the site list?
In-Reply-To: <50E90BF4.6070304@msapiro.net>
References: <3BEAF07B-CA30-4A5F-A3E6-F653E5082C6E@cs.indiana.edu>
	<1078a7cc-eb69-43be-98b7-c1f319df79c1@email.android.com>
	<C18DF83E-BBF2-452D-BCEF-4D92AFFC12D2@cs.indiana.edu>
	<50E90BF4.6070304@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <D7266F52-6F84-46EC-8F8F-43C87C818285@cs.indiana.edu>

Hi Mark,

Yes, that works! Thank you very much.

But I found that there is a tiny bug in your script.
It should have the double quote (") for each entry (list) of accept_these_nonmembers like the following:

> #!/bin/bash
> cd /path/to/mailman
> f=`mktemp`
> bin/list_lists --bare |
> awk 'BEGIN{print "accept_these_nonmembers = ["}
>    !/^SITE_LIST$/{print "\"@"$1"\","}
>    END{print "]"}' > $f
> bin/config_list -i $f SITE_LIST
> rm $f

Regards,

--
- DongInn

On Jan 6, 2013, at 12:30 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> On 1/5/2013 7:14 AM, DongInn Kim wrote:
>> 
>> Couldn't it be the prey of spammers then?
>> What I meant is to allow only all the valid users who have subscribed for at least one mailing list to write an email to the site list but not all generic nonmember.
> 
> 
> Then put @LISTNAME in the site list's accept_these_nonmembers for each
> LISTNAME in the installation other than the site list.
> 
> Consider
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> cd /path/to/mailman
> f=`mktemp`
> bin/list_lists --bare |
> awk 'BEGIN{print "accept_these_nonmembers = ["}
>    !/^SITE_LIST$/{print "@"$1","}
>    END{print "]"}' > $f
> bin/config_list -i $f SITE_LIST
> rm $f
> 
> 
> where SITE_LIST is the name of the site list (probably mailman).
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From karra.etc at gmail.com  Tue Jan  8 02:50:49 2013
From: karra.etc at gmail.com (Sriram Karra)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 07:20:49 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Good use of the site list?
In-Reply-To: <1078a7cc-eb69-43be-98b7-c1f319df79c1@email.android.com>
References: <3BEAF07B-CA30-4A5F-A3E6-F653E5082C6E@cs.indiana.edu>
	<1078a7cc-eb69-43be-98b7-c1f319df79c1@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CAFkt3UNZMrijBHB-RAg0uwzpqUqs_mKm+tLSF1g=z=Lb6_CreA@mail.gmail.com>

On Saturday, January 5, 2013, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> DongInn Kim <dikim at cs.indiana.edu <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> >So, I like to use it as an representative mailing list to the users who
> >have subscribed a mailing list or more in my system so that they can
> >send an email to the site admin without having to subscribe it.
> >
> >Is it possible?
>
>
> Yes. Subscribe the site admin to the site list and set the list's
> generic_nonmember_action to Accept.
>
>
Those not being the defaults, one wonders ... what was the original purpose
of the site list?

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jan  8 03:01:25 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 18:01:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Good use of the site list?
In-Reply-To: <CAFkt3UNZMrijBHB-RAg0uwzpqUqs_mKm+tLSF1g=z=Lb6_CreA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1993201301071801250703872b52d8@MSAPIRO>

Sriram Karra wrote:
>
>On Saturday, January 5, 2013, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> Yes. Subscribe the site admin to the site list and set the list's
>> generic_nonmember_action to Accept.
>>
>>
>Those not being the defaults, one wonders ... what was the original purpose
>of the site list?


The primary purpose of the site list is to provide the address from
which password reminders are sent. However, the site list is also
exposed on both the listinfo and admin overview web pages as an
address to write to for help.

It is recognized that the generic defaults are not appropriate for the
site list. Thus, a config_list input file is provided in
data/sitelist.cfg to configure the list more appropriately although it
still may not be appropriate for all uses.

See section 8 of the installation manual
<http://www.list.org/mailman-install/site-list.html> which discusses
configuring the site list.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From agw at dsm.fordham.edu  Tue Jan  8 17:27:41 2013
From: agw at dsm.fordham.edu (Art Werschulz)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 11:27:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail error 67 when sending mail to a list on
	our mail host
Message-ID: <20716.18685.865389.709362@sobolev.dsm.fordham.edu>

Hi all.

Background information:
-----------------------

We're running Fedora 17 Linux on a network of Intel machines.

The mail spool /var/spool/mail is on our mailhost dsm.dsm.fordham.edu;
said mail spool is NFS-mounted  (via autofs, the RPM being
autofs-5.0.6-23.fc17.x86_64) by all the other Linux boxes in our network.

Our MTA is sendmail (provided by the sendmail-8.14.5-14.fc17.x86_64 RPM).
On the mailhost dsm.dsm.fordham.edu, the file /etc/mail/local-host-names 
contains the lines 
   dsm.dsm.fordham.edu
   dsm.fordham.edu
(among others).  Moreover, we have 
   sobolev at dsm:~$ nslookup -query=mx dsm.fordham.edu
   Server:      150.108.4.11
   Address:     150.108.4.11#53
   dsm.fordham.edu mail exchanger = 10 dsm.dsm.fordham.edu.
Thus mail going to bovik at dsm.fordham.edu will really go to
bovik at dsm.dsm.fordham.edu.

Mailman (provided by the mailman-2.1.14-13.fc17.x86_64 RPM) runs on
the mail host dsm.dsm.fordham.edu.

"test" is a mailman list, which I use for testing purposes.  I am a
member of the test list.

The problem:
------------

The following problem just started happening today.

If I am logged in on dsm.dsm.fordham.edu, I can send mail to (say)
test or to test at dsm.fordham.edu.

If I am logged in on any other host on the network, I can send mail to
test at dsm.dsm.fordham.edu.  HOWEVER, if I send mail to test at dsm.fordham.edu,
mail bounces.  If I use the command-line "mail" client (with the
verbose option), I get
   550 5.1.1 <test at dsm.fordham.edu>... User unknown
If I use emacs VM, I get
  Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "Sending...failed with exit value 67")
    signal(error ("Sending...failed with exit value 67"))
    error("Sending...failed with exit value %d" 67)
    sendmail-send-it()
    mail-send()
    vm-mail-send()
    vm-mail-send-and-exit(nil)
    call-interactively(vm-mail-send-and-exit nil nil)

If any of you have any insight about this problem, please let me know.

Many thanks.
-- 
Art Werschulz (8-{)}   "Metaphors be with you."  -- bumper sticker
GCS/M (GAT): d? -p+ c++ l++ u+ P++ e--- m* s n+ h f g+ w+ t+ r- 
Net: agw at dsm.fordham.edu http://www.dsm.fordham.edu/~agw
Phone:   Fordham U. (212) 636-6325, Columbia U. (646) 775-6035

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jan  8 19:18:24 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:18:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail error 67 when sending mail to a list
	onour mail host
In-Reply-To: <20716.18685.865389.709362@sobolev.dsm.fordham.edu>
Message-ID: <PC1993201301081018240984c1fb85f0@MSAPIRO>


Art Werschulz wrote:
>
>  Moreover, we have 
>   sobolev at dsm:~$ nslookup -query=mx dsm.fordham.edu
>   Server:      150.108.4.11
>   Address:     150.108.4.11#53
>   dsm.fordham.edu mail exchanger = 10 dsm.dsm.fordham.edu.
>Thus mail going to bovik at dsm.fordham.edu will really go to
>bovik at dsm.dsm.fordham.edu.


Not really. Mail to bovik at dsm.fordham.edu will be routed to the MX at
dsm.dsm.fordham.edu, but the envelope will still be to
bovik at dsm.fordham.edu.


>Mailman (provided by the mailman-2.1.14-13.fc17.x86_64 RPM) runs on
>the mail host dsm.dsm.fordham.edu.
>
>"test" is a mailman list, which I use for testing purposes.  I am a
>member of the test list.
>
>The problem:
>------------
>
>The following problem just started happening today.


And what changed between yesterday and today in the sendmail
configuration on dsm.dsm.fordham.edu or elsewhere in your network?


>If I am logged in on dsm.dsm.fordham.edu, I can send mail to (say)
>test or to test at dsm.fordham.edu.
>
>If I am logged in on any other host on the network, I can send mail to
>test at dsm.dsm.fordham.edu.  HOWEVER, if I send mail to test at dsm.fordham.edu,
>mail bounces.


This is really a sendmail question. It is a bit puzzling because if you
are sending from dsm.dsm.fordham.edu, the MTA apparently knows how to
deliver to test at dsm.fordham.edu, but if you are sending from another
machine in your network, delivery fails.

Note however that I just sent a test message to
test-request at dsm.fordham.edu, and it was delivered via
dsm.dsm.fordham.edu, and Mailman replied. Thus, my best guess,
assuming it still doesn't work for you, is that for some reason, other
machines on your network don't relay mail to test at dsm.fordham.edu via
dsm.dsm.fordham.edu.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From es at fruitcom.com  Thu Jan 10 12:27:41 2013
From: es at fruitcom.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:27:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automating procmail processing for new lists
Message-ID: <20130110112741.GA13657@trustfood.org>


The below suggestions to procmail before posting to the list requires
manual configuration each time you set up a new list.

Is there a simple automatic way to achieve this?

Eric Smith

----------------------------------------------------
Quoting: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg55981.html

Taylor, Marc wrote:
>
>I have an Ubuntu server running Mailman 2.1.9, Postfix 2.5.1 and
>procmail 3.22.  I have gotten mailman and postfix to work correctly
>using the postfix-to-mailman.py file.
>
>How does one integrate procmail into this mixture with the
>postfix-to-mailman.py file?  Is it possible to do this or does one have
>to configure postfix and mailman differently in order to have procmail
>do some filtering?


I understand that postfix_to_mailman.py is packaged with the
Debian/Ubuntu Mailman package, but it is 3rd party software, not
supported (officially at least) by the GNU Mailman project.

That said, one possibility might be to modify the mailman transport in
/etc/postfix/master.cf to invoke procmail instead of
postfix_to_mailman.py and then have procmail invoke
postfix_to_mailman.py for the mail it wants to deliver.

Another possibility is to modify postfix_to_mailman.py to invoje
procmail instead of Mailman's mail wrapper and then have procmail
invoke Mailman's wrapper to post the mail.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <m... at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From tom at tasconsulting.co.uk  Thu Jan 10 15:40:06 2013
From: tom at tasconsulting.co.uk (Tom Skelley)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:40:06 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Testing STEALTH_MODE = 1
Message-ID: <CACj924kg7-k4pvT7VFGM4LqA+9TCrGSJ8haghg6Hz8s9Tc1Z1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
  A bit of an odd question this one. I'm new to Mailman, and one of my
customers has just had an external audit. As part of the audit an advisory
was given that too much information was given when an Apache query was
executed. This turns out to be from the /mailman/create script.

I've found that setting STEALTH_MODE = 1 in mailman/scripts/driver should
fix the problem, but I need to test it. Is there a way to force an error
through the web interface?

I've tried changing file permissions on the python binary, changing file
permissions on the .py and .pyc scripts, trying to import non-existant
modules etc, but I can't manage to get it to dump a stack trace.

Any help greatfully received.

Tom

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jan 10 21:15:35 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:15:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automating procmail processing for new lists
In-Reply-To: <20130110112741.GA13657@trustfood.org>
Message-ID: <PC1993201301101215350859e6fedd7e@MSAPIRO>

Eric Smith wrote:
>
>The below suggestions to procmail before posting to the list requires
>manual configuration each time you set up a new list.


Are you using postfix_to_mailman.py to deliver from procmail to
Mailman? If so, that part of it should automatically be aware of all
lists.

What specifically in your configuration needs to be manually made aware
of new lists?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jan 10 22:09:01 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:09:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Testing STEALTH_MODE = 1
In-Reply-To: <CACj924kg7-k4pvT7VFGM4LqA+9TCrGSJ8haghg6Hz8s9Tc1Z1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC199320130110130901082874f7e93d@MSAPIRO>

Tom Skelley wrote:
>
>I've found that setting STEALTH_MODE = 1 in mailman/scripts/driver should
>fix the problem, but I need to test it. Is there a way to force an error
>through the web interface?


What Mailman version are you running? STEALTH_MODE has been set to 1 by
default in scripts/driver since Mailman 2.1.6. If you are still
running 2.1.5 or earlier and are concerned about security issues, see
<http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/NEWS>.


>I've tried changing file permissions on the python binary, changing file
>permissions on the .py and .pyc scripts, trying to import non-existant
>modules etc, but I can't manage to get it to dump a stack trace.


Edit the file Mailman/Cgi/rmlist.py

Insert the line

raise Exception

immediately preceding the line

def main():

and go to a URL like <http://example.com/mailman/rmlist>.

After you're finished testing, remove the added line.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From tom at tasconsulting.co.uk  Fri Jan 11 14:14:13 2013
From: tom at tasconsulting.co.uk (Tom Skelley)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:14:13 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Testing STEALTH_MODE = 1
In-Reply-To: <PC199320130110130901082874f7e93d@MSAPIRO>
References: <CACj924kg7-k4pvT7VFGM4LqA+9TCrGSJ8haghg6Hz8s9Tc1Z1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC199320130110130901082874f7e93d@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <CACj924kYUQM9t+P9Wh7hMKM8VvYx9eE38EPgqw6Agd1JSR79uQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, that was exactly what I needed! The version of Mailman is a bit
later than 2.1.6, but it's still pretty old. Have to be a bit cagey as it's
not my install. I suspect that whoever turned off stealth mode to test and
then never turned it back on again.

Out of interested, is there an ETA on a production release of Mailman 3.x ?

Thanks again!

Tom

From norbert.aschendorff at yahoo.de  Fri Jan 11 15:10:29 2013
From: norbert.aschendorff at yahoo.de (Norbert Aschendorff)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:10:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating a list to a (Postfix) virtual host
Message-ID: <50F01D55.9090007@yahoo.de>

Hey,
I currently encounter the following problem: We have several mailing
lists in our project, but we'll buy a new domain. The lists are
currently running under our old domain. The new domain will point to the
same server and will be "registered" as virtual_alias_domain in Postfix.

Is it possible to move the lists which aren't virtual hosted yet (they
appear only in data/aliases) to the virtual host (so they appear
additionally in data/virtual-mailman)? I searched the web but I didn't
find anything helpful about this topic. The problem is that I don't want
to re-create the list because it'd be good to keep the passwords and
settings of the subscribers.

--Norbert

From barry at list.org  Fri Jan 11 15:44:55 2013
From: barry at list.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:44:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Testing STEALTH_MODE = 1
In-Reply-To: <CACj924kYUQM9t+P9Wh7hMKM8VvYx9eE38EPgqw6Agd1JSR79uQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACj924kg7-k4pvT7VFGM4LqA+9TCrGSJ8haghg6Hz8s9Tc1Z1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC199320130110130901082874f7e93d@MSAPIRO>
	<CACj924kYUQM9t+P9Wh7hMKM8VvYx9eE38EPgqw6Agd1JSR79uQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130111094455.14d25a11@anarchist.wooz.org>

On Jan 11, 2013, at 01:14 PM, Tom Skelley wrote:

>Out of interested, is there an ETA on a production release of Mailman 3.x ?

At this point, we're mostly trying to get the web ui (Postorius) feature
compatible with Mailman 2.1.  We're also working on the new archiver
(Hyperkitty).  I think the core engine is pretty stable and would invite
interested users to give it a go, but understand that it has to be managed
from the command line for now.

We will be sprinting on these components again at Pycon 2013.

Cheers,
-Barry

From grahamyoung at mindspring.com  Thu Jan 10 19:13:50 2013
From: grahamyoung at mindspring.com (Graham Young)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:13:50 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to revert back to local domain only?
Message-ID: <9342691.1357841631191.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

This is my first time posting. I am a relatively inexperienced Mailman administrator but have no trouble with CLI. 

Context is that I have version 2.1.14 installed on an Apple Mac mini running client Mac OS 10.6.8. I used Larry Stone's instructions (dated May 2, 2010) for installing into /usr/local/mailman. 

MTA is Postfix. I believe that integration with Postfix in my case does NOT require postfix-to-mailman.py, but I do not understand enough about that to say more. 

My goal is to learn more about how Mailman works, how to administer it. I am trying different configurations--getting my feet wet so to speak. 

Above question arises out of curiosity. Having successfully implemented virtual domains I now arbitrarily wish to revert this installation to local-domain only. 

(It's not so arbitrary: I learn by undoing. Born analyst, I guess.) 

I fully expect to have to delete from main.cf and mm_cfg.py what I had to insert there to enable virtual domains. Postfix's "virtual_alias_maps" configuration in main.cf comes to mind. Likewise, I'm thinking Mailman's "add_virtualhost" configuration in from mm_cfg.py would be another. 

But what about Mailman's "VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear" config in mm_cfg.py? Do I take that out too?

Furthermore, I am aware that once configured for virtual domains, mailman automatically generates certain files: /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual_mailman, among others. However, it is not clear to me whether these files will automatically be removed or whether their removal requires my intervention. Indeed I don't even know that they would need to be removed. 

Finally, there is bound to be more to this than I merely anticipate. Perhaps there are other files to modify or remove. 

Someone please advise. 

Many thanks,
Graham Young 

From vincent.legoff.srs at gmail.com  Fri Jan 11 07:52:46 2013
From: vincent.legoff.srs at gmail.com (Vincent Le Goff)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:52:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export messages to another archiver
Message-ID: <CAFO53fRN_R_xo0ccpmCxbSFgOrc3ot3XumkH-DmqZi1YMwfsvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I'd like to find a way to export my list's messages to use a different archiver.

Is it possible to export messages with the 'withlist' command?  I
didn't find how to retrieve the list's messages.

Or is there some hook system or something to execute a specific
command when a message is received (I tried to find a postfix-side
configuration, but it doesn't seem to be possible).

Thanks for your help,

Vincent

From roberto.nunnari at supsi.ch  Fri Jan 11 10:35:04 2013
From: roberto.nunnari at supsi.ch (Roberto Nunnari)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:35:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] client denied by server configuration
Message-ID: <50EFDCC8.7000703@supsi.ch>

Hi all.

I have a strange problem.. most of the mailman site works well, but a 
few, don't, and give me 'client denied by server configuration' in the 
apache error log.


for instance.. when I visit:
https://linux3.dti.supsi.ch/mailman/admindb/cdl-elettro

and try to accept a subscription request, I get this error in the apache 
log, and the request is still there waiting to be accepted..

[Fri Jan 11 10:02:44 2013] [error] [client myip] client denied by server 
configuration: /opt/www/cdl-elettro

The same way, when I visit:
https://linux3.dti.supsi.ch/mailman/admindb/prova01

and try to accept a held message, I get this error in the apache log, 
and the message is still there waiting to be accepted..

[Fri Jan 11 10:32:53 2013] [error] [client myip] client denied by server 
configuration: /opt/www/prova01


So.. in mm_cfg.py:

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private'


and in apache.conf:

Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
Alias /images/mailman/ /usr/share/images/mailman/
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/
<Directory /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/>
     AllowOverride None
     Options ExecCGI
     AddHandler cgi-script .cgi
     Order allow,deny
     Allow from all
</Directory>
<Directory /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/>
     Options Indexes FollowSymlinks
     AllowOverride None
     Order allow,deny
     Allow from all
</Directory>
<Directory /usr/share/images/mailman/>
     AllowOverride None
     Order allow,deny
     Allow from all
</Directory>


Could anybody please try to help me out?
Thank you and best regards.
Robi


From roberto.nunnari at supsi.ch  Fri Jan 11 17:46:04 2013
From: roberto.nunnari at supsi.ch (Roberto Nunnari)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:46:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] client denied by server configuration
In-Reply-To: <50EFDCC8.7000703@supsi.ch>
References: <50EFDCC8.7000703@supsi.ch>
Message-ID: <50F041CC.4080101@supsi.ch>

Roberto Nunnari wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> I have a strange problem.. most of the mailman site works well, but a 
> few, don't, and give me 'client denied by server configuration' in the 
> apache error log.

Hi.
I finally managed to solve it myself.. I had a few configuration errors 
in the mailman configuration and in the lists dbs..
vi and withlist helped me out.

Thank you anyways and sorry for the noise.
Best regards.
Robi


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Jan 11 18:10:56 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:10:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export messages to another archiver
In-Reply-To: <CAFO53fRN_R_xo0ccpmCxbSFgOrc3ot3XumkH-DmqZi1YMwfsvQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC19932013011109105604533adbe7fd@MSAPIRO>

Vincent Le Goff wrote:
>
>I'd like to find a way to export my list's messages to use a different archiver.
>
>Is it possible to export messages with the 'withlist' command?  I
>didn't find how to retrieve the list's messages.


It is possible, but probably more complex than you need.


>Or is there some hook system or something to execute a specific
>command when a message is received (I tried to find a postfix-side
>configuration, but it doesn't seem to be possible).


I'm not sure what you want. If you want to get the list's current
archive to move to another archiver, the entire archive is normally
(unless you've changed default settings) contained in mbox format in
Mailman's archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox.

If you want to invoke some process on each new message as it arrives,
the easiest way is to subscribe a local address to the list and alias
that address in Postfix to a pipe to the process. Also, see the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/RAKJ> and read the

#####
# Archive defaults
#####

section in Mailman's Defaults.py.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Jan 11 18:21:52 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:21:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating a list to a (Postfix) virtual host
In-Reply-To: <50F01D55.9090007@yahoo.de>
Message-ID: <PC1993201301110921520921ad7f61cd@MSAPIRO>

Norbert Aschendorff wrote:
>
>Is it possible to move the lists which aren't virtual hosted yet (they
>appear only in data/aliases) to the virtual host (so they appear
>additionally in data/virtual-mailman)? I searched the web but I didn't
>find anything helpful about this topic. The problem is that I don't want
>to re-create the list because it'd be good to keep the passwords and
>settings of the subscribers.


It is not difficult, but requires a few steps.

1) add

add_virtualhost('new.web.domain', 'new.email.domain')

and

POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['new.email.domain']

to mm_cfg.py

2) run Mailman's

bin/withlist -r fix_url LISTNAME -u new.web.domain

to move the LISTNAME list or run

bin/withlist -r fix_url -a -- -u new.web.domain

to do all lists.

3) run Mailman's

bin/genaliases

4) add

hash:/path/to/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

to virtual_alias_maps in Postfix main.cf and reload Postfix.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From closetotheledge at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 11 18:27:23 2013
From: closetotheledge at yahoo.com (Duane Winner)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:27:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Amazon SES and Verified Senders
Message-ID: <1357925243.11719.YahooMailNeo@web122503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hello,

Does anyone have any ideas on how to deal with this?dilemma: I am running Mailman+Postfix+Ubuntu in Amazon AWS, and using Amazon SES as a relay.?
Although, this problem isn't unique to just SES. This problem is common among many relay services, DynDNS to name another.

To prevent against spam and abuse, SES, DynDNS and other relay services require that you VERIFY each SENDER before you can send mail from that email address.

When running Mailman, each member of every list is the SENDER, and it is not practical or even possible to verify every sender.?

I have two workarounds, but neither one is ideal.

Option 1) In Mailman, I can enable: "Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields)?"

This will mean any post to a list will show only the list, and the list will be the return address (that is ok, even desirable).
But the problem with this is, that unless the poster includes a signature, there is no way to know who it came from when the other list members receive the post.
We need to know who posted to the lists, so we know who we're replying to, and if we need their email to take the conversation off-list, etc.


Option 2) In Postfix, maintain the canonical file so that each member address will be rewritten with a mailman domain address. Example:

In /etc/postfix/canonical:
jondoe at hotmail.com ? jondoe.at.hotmail.com at mymailmandomain.com

Because I've approved the domain @mymailmandomain.com with DKIM in Amazon SES, and email from jondoe at hotmail.com will be rewritten as From: jondoe.at.hotmail.com at mymailmandomain.com, and Amazon SES will permit it.
The problem with this is that it?still?doesn't accurately reflect the senders real email anywhere, and another list member might pull the bogus "jondoe.at.hotmail.com at mymailmandomain.com" address, and try to send to this person off-list, or add the bogus email address to their address book....not good.
Also, a cronjob will have to regularly build and update the canonical addresses, which in itself isn't that a big deal, but is another point of failure.


Does anybody else have this problem, and how do you deal with it? Are there better solutions? Perhaps their is a better way to do #2 so that the From: address is rewritten to be acceptable to Amazon SES, but displays something that is more useful and friendly to recipients?

Thanks for any input!

DW

From norbert.aschendorff at yahoo.de  Fri Jan 11 18:29:07 2013
From: norbert.aschendorff at yahoo.de (Norbert Aschendorff)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:29:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating a list to a (Postfix) virtual host
In-Reply-To: <PC1993201301110921520921ad7f61cd@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC1993201301110921520921ad7f61cd@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <50F04BE3.50905@yahoo.de>

Yeah, sounds quite simple :)

Small question: genaliases looks at the URL in the list configuration
and generates the aliases from it?

Thanks :)

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Jan 11 18:35:28 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:35:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to revert back to local domain only?
In-Reply-To: <9342691.1357841631191.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <PC1993201301110935280500ad7f6010@MSAPIRO>

Graham Young wrote:
>
>But what about Mailman's "VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear" config in mm_cfg.py? Do I take that out too?


It depends. If the configured values for DEFAULT_URL_HOST and
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST in Defaults.py are correct, you don't need any
add_virtualhost() or VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() directives in mm_cfg.py.

If you need to change these or if you just want the settings in
mm_cfg.py for documentation purposes, put

DEFAULT_URL_HOST = '...'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = '...'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

in mm_cfg.py. Note that you must have one VIRTUAL_HOSTS entry for
DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST. This is added in Defaults.py,
but may not be the correct names. The purpose of VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
in mm_cfg.py is to remove the possibly erroneous entry added in
Defaults.py. It isn't really necessary to do this in any case, but
it's cleaner.


>Furthermore, I am aware that once configured for virtual domains, mailman automatically generates certain files: /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual_mailman, among others. However, it is not clear to me whether these files will automatically be removed or whether their removal requires my intervention. Indeed I don't even know that they would need to be removed. 


They won't be removed, and they don't need to be, but the reference to
data/virtual-mailman in Postfix virtual_alias_maps needs to be removed.


>Finally, there is bound to be more to this than I merely anticipate. Perhaps there are other files to modify or remove. 


Probably not.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Jan 11 18:42:11 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:42:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating a list to a (Postfix) virtual host
In-Reply-To: <50F04BE3.50905@yahoo.de>
Message-ID: <PC1993201301110942110484fabbe9ef@MSAPIRO>

Norbert Aschendorff wrote:
>
>Small question: genaliases looks at the URL in the list configuration
>and generates the aliases from it?

Genaliases generates aliases for each list using only the list name. It
also generates the virtual mappings (virtual-mailman) for those lists
whose host_name attribute is in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From norbert.aschendorff at yahoo.de  Fri Jan 11 19:45:16 2013
From: norbert.aschendorff at yahoo.de (Norbert Aschendorff)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 19:45:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating a list to a (Postfix) virtual host
In-Reply-To: <50F01D55.9090007@yahoo.de>
References: <50F01D55.9090007@yahoo.de>
Message-ID: <50F05DBC.9050106@yahoo.de>

Another possibility (sufficient for at least my situation) came just to
my mind: Adapt the list's /host_name/ and set up an alias respectively
an entry in Postfix' virtuals table pointing to the list's address on
the new virtual host. It's not really elegant, but it works so far.

--Norbert

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jan 12 01:13:18 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:13:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export messages to another archiver
In-Reply-To: <CAFO53fQKCXF1b0My9cUJ4GP-T+kLw9ZE3fzd8PiPvdWES79BJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC199320130111161318056239e80444@MSAPIRO>

Vincent Le Goff wrote:
>
>Thanks, I didn't think about subscribing a local address to get the
>incoming messages.
>
>That could be what I need, but as I will try different solutions
>before choosing, could you tell me (if it's simple enough, redirect me
>otherwise to some web page) how to export messages with the 'withlist'
>command?


withlist is probably not at all what you want. The only thing you could
do with withlist is use archiver methods to retrieve messages from the
built in archive. This would be difficult as the methods are designed
to add messages to an archive, not to retrieve them. It would be
easier to create a process which accesses the
archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox file and retrieves 'new
messages from it.

If you want this process to replace the built in archiving rather than
supplement it, and you want it to apply to all lists or maybe just all
lists with public archives or all lists with private archives, See the
documentation for PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER and
PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER in the

#####
# Archive defaults
#####

section in Mailman's Defaults.py.


>I would like to find a way to export (either periodically or every
>time a message is received) the list's posts, in order to use a
>different web interface for the archiver.  I know that selecting ALL
>messages posted to a list could be a really bad idea, if the list is
>big enough, but maybe some ways (that I would look for later) would
>allow me to export only one post at a time.


As noted above, if you want to replace the built in archiver, Mailman's
facility for specifying an external archiver is the way to go unless
you want to do it for just one or a few of many lists. If you want it
for just a few lists, the easiest way is to subscribe a local address
and alias it to a pipe to the archiving process. Another way would be
a custom handler which would apply to only selected lists and pipe the
message to the external archiver. See the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/l4A9>.

If you want an external archiver for all lists to supplement rather
than replace the built in archiver, see the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/RAKJ>.


>PS: The reply-to is set to your address, not to the list.  I don't
>know if I'm supposed to reply to the mailman-users mailing list, or if
>I just have to summarize what you told me in a different post.


You posted to the list. I 'replied all' which addressed my reply to
both you and the list (you probably only received the direct copy
because your subscription is set to "Avoid duplicate copies of
messages?" - nodupes). There was no reply-to: in my message to you and
there would not have been in the list copy either. You can either
'reply' to just me or 'reply all' to me and the list. The latter is
usually, but not always what you want.

I have Cc'd this reply to the list.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From stephen at xemacs.org  Sat Jan 12 04:39:42 2013
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 12:39:42 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Amazon SES and Verified Senders
In-Reply-To: <1357925243.11719.YahooMailNeo@web122503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1357925243.11719.YahooMailNeo@web122503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <87r4lr83y9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Duane Winner writes:

 > Does anyone have any ideas on how to deal with this?dilemma: I am
 > running Mailman+Postfix+Ubuntu in Amazon AWS, and using Amazon SES
 > as a relay.? Although, this problem isn't unique to just SES. This
 > problem is common among many relay services, DynDNS to name
 > another.
 > 
 > To prevent against spam and abuse, SES, DynDNS and other relay
 > services require that you VERIFY each SENDER before you can send
 > mail from that email address.
 > 
 > When running Mailman, each member of every list is the SENDER, and
 > it is not practical or even possible to verify every sender.?

AFAICS, you lose, then.  Specifically, if you obfuscate the sender,
you are probably in violation of the AUP for the relay service you
are using.

Have you tried working directly with Amazon SES to resolve the issue?

I wonder if a third possibility, namely encapsulating every message in
another message sent by Mailman, would do the trick.  Ie, require all
subscribers to subscribe to the digest edition of the list.

Steve

From closetotheledge at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 12 15:15:11 2013
From: closetotheledge at yahoo.com (Duane Winner)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 06:15:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Amazon SES and Verified Senders
In-Reply-To: <87r4lr83y9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <1357925243.11719.YahooMailNeo@web122503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<87r4lr83y9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <1358000111.30349.YahooMailNeo@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>


>Have you tried working directly with Amazon SES to resolve the issue?

I have not personally, but on their forums, others have posed have the same problem, and following is a reply directly from AWS:

>>We want to accommodate as many ways to send email as we can, while also providing strong protections against phishing and other abusive email. If the email address verification feature did not exist, then anyone could send?
>>to the members of your mailing list using the email address of your organization (
>>@nearzero.org
>>), for example. We realize that this creates some roadblocks to your users communicating with each other using Amazon SES as the medium. Here are some partial solutions to consider:
>>
>>When sending through Amazon SES, instead of using the?
>>From?address of your user, instead use your organization's email address with a "friendly name" which identifies the user. Only the email address portion is verified, so you can send with?
>>From?addresses like so:
>>
>>*
>>From: "Seth" <mailman at nearzero.org>
>>*
>>From: "Justin C." <mailman at nearzero.org>
>>
>>You may also consider adding a?
>>Reply-To
>>?header identifying the original user's actual email address. A regular reply will be sent there, directly to that user. A Reply All will include the "mailman" address which you can treat as a message to the list.


If I knew how to replace the "Friendly name" with something else, that /might/ be another solution, but I haven't been able to figure out how to do that. I'm guessing that is a Postfix question.


>I wonder if a third possibility, namely encapsulating every message in
>another message sent by Mailman, would do the trick.? Ie, require all
>subscribers to subscribe to the digest edition of the list.

That's not an option. We use lists for minute-by-minute round table conversations and tech support.

If find it hard to believe that this isn't a common issue, since many people need a 3rd party SMTP relay....
Is it possible that this just doesn't come up much because people who run Mailman run everything, including their own SMTP relay in-house?


-DW


From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jan 12 16:50:01 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 07:50:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Amazon SES and Verified Senders
In-Reply-To: <1358000111.30349.YahooMailNeo@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <PC19932013011207500104215d7cc7a6@MSAPIRO>

Duane Winner wrote:
>
>If I knew how to replace the "Friendly name" with something else, that
>/might/ be another solution, but I haven't been able to figure out how
>to do that. I'm guessing that is a Postfix question.


I could be wrong, but I don't think Postfix can do that, but you could
easily do that with a custom handler in Mailman. See
<http://wiki.list.org/x/l4A9>.

The difficulty with this approach is it makes it harder to reply only
to the poster.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From stephen at xemacs.org  Sat Jan 12 17:46:12 2013
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:46:12 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Amazon SES and Verified Senders
In-Reply-To: <PC19932013011207500104215d7cc7a6@MSAPIRO>
References: <1358000111.30349.YahooMailNeo@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<PC19932013011207500104215d7cc7a6@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <87mwwe8i3v.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Mark Sapiro writes:
 > Duane Winner wrote:
 > >
 > >If I knew how to replace the "Friendly name" with something else, that
 > >/might/ be another solution, but I haven't been able to figure out how
 > >to do that. I'm guessing that is a Postfix question.
 > 
 > 
 > I could be wrong, but I don't think Postfix can do that, but you could
 > easily do that with a custom handler in Mailman. See
 > <http://wiki.list.org/x/l4A9>.
 > 
 > The difficulty with this approach is it makes it harder to reply only
 > to the poster.

Well, it would be pretty confusing, but you could put the real address
in a comment:

From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" (stephen at xemacs.org) <fake at acceptable.com>

You could also do

From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <fake at acceptable.com>
Reply-To: stephen at xemacs.org, list at your-host.org

People would have to be careful to clean out the unneeded address, but
everything they need is there.


From stephen at xemacs.org  Sat Jan 12 18:03:26 2013
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 02:03:26 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Amazon SES and Verified Senders
In-Reply-To: <1358000111.30349.YahooMailNeo@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1357925243.11719.YahooMailNeo@web122503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<87r4lr83y9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<1358000111.30349.YahooMailNeo@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <87liby8hb5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Duane Winner writes:

 > >>When sending through Amazon SES, instead of using the?
 > >>From?address of your user, instead use your organization's email
 > >>address with a "friendly name" which identifies the user. Only
 > >>the email address portion is verified, so you can send with?
 > >>From?addresses like so:

Now that is a real WTF.  "We suggest that you automatically obscure
the sources of the spam you're passing through to your users so that
it will pass our verification process."

But since that's what they recommend, you can probably sue them if
they try to kick you off for doing it.

 > If find it hard to believe that this isn't a common issue, since
 > many people need a 3rd party SMTP relay....  Is it possible that
 > this just doesn't come up much because people who run Mailman run
 > everything, including their own SMTP relay in-house?

Actually, I would guess that the majority of people using Mailman to
host lists are relatively unsophisticated and do so on a virtual host
which provides Mailman for them.  That wouldn't do them much good if
their users couldn't post.  Of course the folks who are answering
questions on this list probably generally do have their own MXes.

I suppose this problem will come up more frequently as IaaS becomes
more popular.


From stephen at xemacs.org  Sat Jan 12 23:53:15 2013
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 07:53:15 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Amazon SES and Verified Senders
In-Reply-To: <87liby8hb5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <1357925243.11719.YahooMailNeo@web122503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<87r4lr83y9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<1358000111.30349.YahooMailNeo@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<87liby8hb5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <87k3ri8144.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Stephen J. Turnbull writes:
 > Duane Winner writes:
 > 
 >  > >>When sending through Amazon SES, instead of using the?
 >  > >>From?address of your user, instead use your organization's email
 >  > >>address with a "friendly name" which identifies the user. Only
 >  > >>the email address portion is verified, so you can send with?
 >  > >>From?addresses like so:

It just occurred to me that it would be possible to do what XEmacs
does (as a convenience/vanity feature): issue all users an address at
your domain, eg of the form "closetotheedge%yahoo.com at example.com".[1]
It should be fairly easy to set up the MTA to rewrite and forward mail
to those addresses.  The main question at this point would be how to
link those addresses into the verification process.

In our case, we don't issue all users vanity addresses, only those who
are committers, and it's a labor-intensive process involving
correspondence about choosing and confirming the address.  But it
could be done for all users automatically as above.

Steve

Footnotes: 
[1]  Or for a retro mood, example.com!yahoo.com!closetotheedge. ;-)


From brennan at columbia.edu  Sat Jan 12 17:42:50 2013
From: brennan at columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:42:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Amazon SES and Verified Senders
In-Reply-To: <1358000111.30349.YahooMailNeo@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1357925243.11719.YahooMailNeo@web122503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<87r4lr83y9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<1358000111.30349.YahooMailNeo@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <97DACE76CC563C0E35B70520@[10.0.1.8]>


This is not a practical comment, but... I am amazed Amazon is checking
the header From instead of the header Sender and envelope sender... and
recommending breaking standards to get around what they are doing. They
not only break mailing lists but the types of forwarding that preserve
the original From header. RFC 2822:

   The "From:" field specifies the author(s) of the message,
   that is, the mailbox(es) of the person(s) or system(s) responsible
   for the writing of the message.  The "Sender:" field specifies the
   mailbox of the agent responsible for the actual transmission of the
   message.

The latter, and the envelope sender, is what they should care about.

All right, enough, back to real life where you just have to deal with
crazy stuff you can't control...


Joseph Brennan
Columbia University Information Technology


From vincent.legoff.srs at gmail.com  Mon Jan 14 07:52:26 2013
From: vincent.legoff.srs at gmail.com (Vincent Le Goff)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:52:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Export messages to another archiver
In-Reply-To: <PC199320130111161318056239e80444@MSAPIRO>
References: <CAFO53fQKCXF1b0My9cUJ4GP-T+kLw9ZE3fzd8PiPvdWES79BJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<PC199320130111161318056239e80444@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <CAFO53fTu4QTC0rvNU5JwRVfgR39scRrqRZYdvYt04zbeZbaaAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Thanks a lot.  I succeeded to use mailbox.mbox to extract the mylist.mbox
file, that seems easy enough.  I don't know if it's what I would like to do,
especially when the list will grow, but it's a good start nevertheless.

Thanks again,

Vincent

2013/1/12, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>:
> Vincent Le Goff wrote:
>>
>>Thanks, I didn't think about subscribing a local address to get the
>>incoming messages.
>>
>>That could be what I need, but as I will try different solutions
>>before choosing, could you tell me (if it's simple enough, redirect me
>>otherwise to some web page) how to export messages with the 'withlist'
>>command?
>
>
> withlist is probably not at all what you want. The only thing you could
> do with withlist is use archiver methods to retrieve messages from the
> built in archive. This would be difficult as the methods are designed
> to add messages to an archive, not to retrieve them. It would be
> easier to create a process which accesses the
> archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox file and retrieves 'new
> messages from it.
>
> If you want this process to replace the built in archiving rather than
> supplement it, and you want it to apply to all lists or maybe just all
> lists with public archives or all lists with private archives, See the
> documentation for PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER and
> PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER in the
>
> #####
> # Archive defaults
> #####
>
> section in Mailman's Defaults.py.
>
>
>>I would like to find a way to export (either periodically or every
>>time a message is received) the list's posts, in order to use a
>>different web interface for the archiver.  I know that selecting ALL
>>messages posted to a list could be a really bad idea, if the list is
>>big enough, but maybe some ways (that I would look for later) would
>>allow me to export only one post at a time.
>
>
> As noted above, if you want to replace the built in archiver, Mailman's
> facility for specifying an external archiver is the way to go unless
> you want to do it for just one or a few of many lists. If you want it
> for just a few lists, the easiest way is to subscribe a local address
> and alias it to a pipe to the archiving process. Another way would be
> a custom handler which would apply to only selected lists and pipe the
> message to the external archiver. See the FAQ at
> <http://wiki.list.org/x/l4A9>.
>
> If you want an external archiver for all lists to supplement rather
> than replace the built in archiver, see the FAQ at
> <http://wiki.list.org/x/RAKJ>.
>
>
>>PS: The reply-to is set to your address, not to the list.  I don't
>>know if I'm supposed to reply to the mailman-users mailing list, or if
>>I just have to summarize what you told me in a different post.
>
>
> You posted to the list. I 'replied all' which addressed my reply to
> both you and the list (you probably only received the direct copy
> because your subscription is set to "Avoid duplicate copies of
> messages?" - nodupes). There was no reply-to: in my message to you and
> there would not have been in the list copy either. You can either
> 'reply' to just me or 'reply all' to me and the list. The latter is
> usually, but not always what you want.
>
> I have Cc'd this reply to the list.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>

From phanh at canby.k12.or.us  Mon Jan 14 21:08:53 2013
From: phanh at canby.k12.or.us (Hung Phan)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:08:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More than 10 messages received in one connection
Message-ID: <362C37A7-81B2-4B6C-8FA5-2BEB5BE5EADF@canby.k12.or.us>

Hello, everyone

Previously, our Mailman sent out messages all at once to the recipients; however, this behavior has since changed. According to the exim log file, the message delivers to 10 recipients and get queue for the next round. So we have been researching for different options to tweak the behavior. So far, we have:
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 0 and SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 0 for the ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py
QUEUE = 5m for the /etc/init.d/exim

Other mention that we should add smtp_accept_queue_per_connection = 0 into exim.conf config file. By adding this in, exim fails on restart so we reverse the change.

All these configurations don't change the new behavior. Any other configuration that we may overlook?

Thank you for any advice,

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Jan 14 22:59:31 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:59:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More than 10 messages received in one connection
In-Reply-To: <362C37A7-81B2-4B6C-8FA5-2BEB5BE5EADF@canby.k12.or.us>
Message-ID: <PC199320130114135931037519ea0b96@MSAPIRO>

Hung Phan wrote:
>
>Previously, our Mailman sent out messages all at once to the recipients; however, this behavior has since changed.


And what did you change just before this behavior changed?


>According to the exim log file, the message delivers to 10 recipients and get queue for the next round. So we have been researching for different options to tweak the behavior. So far, we have:
>SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 0 and SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 0 for the ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py


Do not make changes to Defaults.py. Defaults.py contains the default
settings and their documentation. Changes should be made in mm_cfg.py.
See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/fIA9>.

SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION has nothing to do with this. It's name
is a bit of a misnomer. It actually sets the maximum number of SMTP
transactions (MAIL FROM commands) that Mailman will send over an SMTP
connection before closing and reopening the connection. It has no
effect on the number of recipients in a single transaction.

SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 0 tells mailman not to "chunkify" the recipients, but
to send to all recipients in a single transaction with one MAIL FROM,
a RCPT TO for each recipient and one DATA for the message data.


>QUEUE = 5m for the /etc/init.d/exim


This just tells the exim daemon to check its queues for things to do
every 5 minutes. It doesn't affect how many recipients will be
accepted for a message.


>Other mention that we should add smtp_accept_queue_per_connection = 0 into exim.conf config file. By adding this in, exim fails on restart so we reverse the change.


This could be relevant. It defaults to 10 which says if more than 10
messages are received on a single connection, they will be queued.
What was the specific exim error with smtp_accept_queue_per_connection
= 0?


>All these configurations don't change the new behavior. Any other configuration that we may overlook?


The relevant exim main.cf settings are smtp_accept_max_per_connection
recipients_max. smtp_accept_max_per_connection is exim's side of
Mailman's SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION. In theory, exim's setting
should be as large or larger than Mailman's, but exim's default is
1000, and even if there are only 10 recipients per transaction, unless
you are sending to more than 10,000 recipients, you should be OK.

recipients_max is exim's limit on the number of recipients per
transaction. exim's default for this is 0 meaning unlimited, but if it
were set to 10 it might explain this behavior. In any case, exim's
recipients_max should be at least as big as Mailman's SMTP_MAX_RCPTS.

These are really exim questions and while I have used exim, I don't
currently and I'm not an expert.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rsk at gsp.org  Tue Jan 15 03:26:48 2013
From: rsk at gsp.org (Rich Kulawiec)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:26:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Amazon SES and Verified Senders
In-Reply-To: <1357925243.11719.YahooMailNeo@web122503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1357925243.11719.YahooMailNeo@web122503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20130115022648.GA10083@gsp.org>

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 09:27:23AM -0800, Duane Winner wrote:
> Does anyone have any ideas on how to deal with this? [snip]

Amazon's cloud has been a prolific long-term source of spam and other
forms of abuse (e.g., brute-force ssh attacks).  Thus it's long since been
a best practice to refuse all email from hosts in compute-1.amazonaws.com
and compute.amazonaws.com subdomains, and no doubt unless serious efforts
are made to address this, blocking of incoming SMTP connections from
Amazon's cloud will eventually increase in both scope and coverage.

Not that this is your fault, of course.  But unless you can convince
Amazon to take an active interest in controlling *outbound* abuse from
their operation, there's little you can do about it.

So my recommendation is to set up a VPN tunnel from your Mailman host
to a (secure) SMTP relay outside their network space.  (And of course
outside other problematic network spaces; check Spamhaus and similar
resources first.)  Let the host inside Amazon do the heavy lifting of
running Mailman and so on, let the one outside do the simple work of
just relaying outbound traffic.  OpenBSD+postfix+BIND on very low-end
hardware should suffice, and as long as it only relays traffic handed
off via the VPN, you should be okay.

(Incidentally, verifying senders has no anti-spam value.  I get spam by
the megabyte in my spamtraps all day, every day, from verified senders
and from verified hosts.)

---rsk

From joemailgroups at gmail.com  Wed Jan 16 16:27:37 2013
From: joemailgroups at gmail.com (JCGroups)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:27:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription page alteration.
Message-ID: <54DDA662-6446-4EAA-B5DC-B41468322D15@gmail.com>

Hi, everyone.

Is there a simple way to edit the subscription page?

Where it asks subscribers for their names I would like to have the '(optional)' removed so that subscribers provide their first and last names during the subscription process.

Is there a way to change this using the browser-based user interface or does the file for this page need to be modified?

TIA,

Joe.

Sent from my iPad

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jan 17 06:12:20 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:12:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription page alteration.
In-Reply-To: <54DDA662-6446-4EAA-B5DC-B41468322D15@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC199320130116211220090631f2ad9e@MSAPIRO>

JCGroups wrote:
>
>Is there a simple way to edit the subscription page?


Yes.


>Is there a way to change this using the browser-based user interface or does the file for this page need to be modified?


To edit the subscription form on the listonfo page for a single list,
go to the list's web admin interface, follow the "Edit the public HTML
pages and text files" link under "Other Administrative Activities" and
edit the "General list information page".

If you want to change the page that applies by default to all lists in
the installation or in a given domain see the FAQ at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/jYA9>. The name of the template is
listinfo.html.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From nt_mahmood at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 19 07:34:13 2013
From: nt_mahmood at yahoo.com (Mahmood Naderan)
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 22:34:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbe question as a moderator
Message-ID: <1358577253.76308.YahooMailNeo@web163002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>



Hello
I am a moderator of a list which uses mailman. Problem is every time, someone send a message to the list, the message is held for moderator (me) approval and this is a boring task because we know our members and the list is for internal messages.

The message received by moderator contains

Your mail to '....' with the subject ..... Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list

I looked at the available options and searched the manual for an option to remove that. However I couldn't find that.
Can someone point me to the right direction?
Regards,
Mahmood

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jan 19 15:33:29 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 06:33:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbe question as a moderator
In-Reply-To: <1358577253.76308.YahooMailNeo@web163002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1358577253.76308.YahooMailNeo@web163002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <50FAAEB9.9000508@msapiro.net>

On 1/18/13 10:34 PM, Mahmood Naderan wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello I am a moderator of a list which uses mailman. Problem is
> every time, someone send a message to the list, the message is held
> for moderator (me) approval and this is a boring task because we
> know our members and the list is for internal messages.
> 
> The message received by moderator contains
> 
> Your mail to '....' with the subject ..... Is being held until the
> list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being
> held: Post by non-member to a members-only list


So the posts are coming from people who aren't subscribed to the list.
If you want to accept such posts, go to the list's web admin Privacy
options... -> Sender filters page and set generic_nonmember_action to
Accept.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    Better use your sense - B. Dylan

From misterbhatt at gmail.com  Sat Jan 19 15:38:34 2013
From: misterbhatt at gmail.com (Amit Bhatt)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:08:34 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Message-ID: <D1E3947FF2904E208D553A1C609F24B2@amit>

Seeking the solution on below forwarded mail of a sender who is a subscriber 
of mailing list running on mailman.
Is this issue persisting from the sender end or do we have any solution from 
our side.

thanks,

Amit Bhatt
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kapil" <kapil0912 at gmail.com>
To: "Amit bhatt" <misterbhatt at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:01 AM
Subject: FW: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)


Whith best regard kapil email kapil0912 at gmail.com facebook i.d 
kapil.mittal2 at facebook.com mobile 09013386781

-original message-
Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <mailer-daemon at googlemail.com>
Date: 16/01/2013 9:54 am

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

     sayeverything at sayeverything.org

----- Original message -----

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From: "Kapil" <kapil0912 at gmail.com>
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To: Access india <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>, Sayeverything
  <sayeverything at sayeverything.org >
Subject: N.P.s for govt emploees
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:55:06 +0530
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Hi frandes as many of us know those who are joining govt services from or in 
some cases after 2004 are come under new pension skeem NPS 10 percent of 
their basic and d.a is deducted and same is contributed by govt that is 
known as CPF this amount is invested in d marcket through SBI LIC and UTI so 
there is know phics returns as in d GPF. After retirement whatever corpus 
build some percentage of that will be given to them and rest will be used 
for givinng pension. Now i have some quastions please share your knowledge. 
What percentage of corpus will be given? What will b d methord of 
calculating pension? Can we increase d percentage in iquity? Can we change d 
ratio among SBI and others? I mean do we have any control on that? 
Whith best regard kapil email kapil0912 at gmail.com facebook i.d 
kapil.mittal2 at facebook.com mobile 09013386781



From roger.richcorp at btconnect.com  Sat Jan 19 15:46:59 2013
From: roger.richcorp at btconnect.com (Roger Richmond)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:46:59 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
In-Reply-To: <D1E3947FF2904E208D553A1C609F24B2@amit>
References: <D1E3947FF2904E208D553A1C609F24B2@amit>
Message-ID: <031501cdf653$d7c89e20$8759da60$@richcorp@btconnect.com>

What language is he writing in?

Roger 


-----Original Message-----
From: Mailman-Users
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+roger.richcorp=btconnect.com at python.org] On
Behalf Of Amit Bhatt
Sent: 19 January 2013 14:39
To: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

Seeking the solution on below forwarded mail of a sender who is a subscriber
of mailing list running on mailman.
Is this issue persisting from the sender end or do we have any solution from
our side.

thanks,

Amit Bhatt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kapil" <kapil0912 at gmail.com>
To: "Amit bhatt" <misterbhatt at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:01 AM
Subject: FW: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)


Whith best regard kapil email kapil0912 at gmail.com facebook i.d 
kapil.mittal2 at facebook.com mobile 09013386781

-original message-
Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <mailer-daemon at googlemail.com>
Date: 16/01/2013 9:54 am

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

     sayeverything at sayeverything.org

----- Original message -----

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From: "Kapil" <kapil0912 at gmail.com>
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To: Access india <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>, Sayeverything
  <sayeverything at sayeverything.org >
Subject: N.P.s for govt emploees
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:55:06 +0530
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Hi frandes as many of us know those who are joining govt services from or in

some cases after 2004 are come under new pension skeem NPS 10 percent of 
their basic and d.a is deducted and same is contributed by govt that is 
known as CPF this amount is invested in d marcket through SBI LIC and UTI so

there is know phics returns as in d GPF. After retirement whatever corpus 
build some percentage of that will be given to them and rest will be used 
for givinng pension. Now i have some quastions please share your knowledge. 
What percentage of corpus will be given? What will b d methord of 
calculating pension? Can we increase d percentage in iquity? Can we change d

ratio among SBI and others? I mean do we have any control on that? 
Whith best regard kapil email kapil0912 at gmail.com facebook i.d 
kapil.mittal2 at facebook.com mobile 09013386781


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From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jan 19 22:26:27 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 13:26:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
In-Reply-To: <D1E3947FF2904E208D553A1C609F24B2@amit>
Message-ID: <PC1993201301191326270500d7ee520f@MSAPIRO>

Amit Bhatt wroye:

>Seeking the solution on below forwarded mail of a sender who is a subscriber 
>of mailing list running on mailman.
>Is this issue persisting from the sender end or do we have any solution from 
>our side.


Is the problem that the sender is a member of your list and when he
attempts to post to the list he receives this DSN?


>Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
>From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <mailer-daemon at googlemail.com>
>Date: 16/01/2013 9:54 am
>
>Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>
>     sayeverything at sayeverything.org
>
>----- Original message -----
>
[...]
>From: "Kapil" <kapil0912 at gmail.com>
>Reply-to: "Kapil" <kapil0912 at gmail.com>
>To: Access india <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>, Sayeverything
>  <sayeverything at sayeverything.org >
>Subject: N.P.s for govt emploees
>Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:55:06 +0530
[...]


If so, googlemail is telling him that his message could not be
delivered to sayeverything at sayeverything.org, although it presumably
was delivered to accessindia at accessindia.org.in. Which of these is
your list?

It is not like gmail/googlemail to not include some reason for the
non-delivery. Are you sure that what you posted is the complete
message the user received from googlemail?

Without knowing why googlemail can't deliver the message, it's hard to
suggest possible remedies.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From misterbhatt at gmail.com  Sun Jan 20 04:28:21 2013
From: misterbhatt at gmail.com (Amit Bhatt)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 08:58:21 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
References: <PC1993201301191326270500d7ee520f@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <05973FC15A2C4CEE96170677ED4AED23@amit>

Yes, he is the member of my mailing list and he does receive this error 
whenever he sends any message across the list.

Thanks,

Amit Bhatt
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net>
To: "Amit Bhatt" <misterbhatt at gmail.com>; <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)


> Amit Bhatt wroye:
>
>>Seeking the solution on below forwarded mail of a sender who is a 
>>subscriber
>>of mailing list running on mailman.
>>Is this issue persisting from the sender end or do we have any solution 
>>from
>>our side.
>
>
> Is the problem that the sender is a member of your list and when he
> attempts to post to the list he receives this DSN?
>
>
>>Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
>>From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <mailer-daemon at googlemail.com>
>>Date: 16/01/2013 9:54 am
>>
>>Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>>
>>     sayeverything at sayeverything.org
>>
>>----- Original message -----
>>
> [...]
>>From: "Kapil" <kapil0912 at gmail.com>
>>Reply-to: "Kapil" <kapil0912 at gmail.com>
>>To: Access india <accessindia at accessindia.org.in>, Sayeverything
>>  <sayeverything at sayeverything.org >
>>Subject: N.P.s for govt emploees
>>Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:55:06 +0530
> [...]
>
>
> If so, googlemail is telling him that his message could not be
> delivered to sayeverything at sayeverything.org, although it presumably
> was delivered to accessindia at accessindia.org.in. Which of these is
> your list?
>
> It is not like gmail/googlemail to not include some reason for the
> non-delivery. Are you sure that what you posted is the complete
> message the user received from googlemail?
>
> Without knowing why googlemail can't deliver the message, it's hard to
> suggest possible remedies.
>
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Jan 20 04:42:28 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 19:42:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
In-Reply-To: <05973FC15A2C4CEE96170677ED4AED23@amit>
Message-ID: <PC1993201301191942280562338be84e@MSAPIRO>

Amit Bhatt wrote:

>Yes, he is the member of my mailing list and he does receive this error 
>whenever he sends any message across the list.


And as I said


>> It is not like gmail/googlemail to not include some reason for the
>> non-delivery. Are you sure that what you posted is the complete
>> message the user received from googlemail?
>>
>> Without knowing why googlemail can't deliver the message, it's hard to
>> suggest possible remedies.


Go back to the user and ask him if he is sure there wasn't any other
information in the DSN.

Also, check your incoming MTA logs to see if there is anything there to
indicate you rejected the message.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From misterbhatt at gmail.com  Sun Jan 20 05:19:56 2013
From: misterbhatt at gmail.com (Amit Bhatt)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:49:56 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
References: <PC1993201301191942280562338be84e@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <728BAFB6BA024BD9A3E901B2E62C826B@amit>

I don't think there is any issue persisting because of Gmail, but just like 
to tell that he is sending the messages from his mobile phone.

Thanks,

Amit Bhatt
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Sapiro" <mark at msapiro.net>
To: "Amit Bhatt" <misterbhatt at gmail.com>; <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)


> Amit Bhatt wrote:
>
>>Yes, he is the member of my mailing list and he does receive this error
>>whenever he sends any message across the list.
>
>
> And as I said
>
>
>>> It is not like gmail/googlemail to not include some reason for the
>>> non-delivery. Are you sure that what you posted is the complete
>>> message the user received from googlemail?
>>>
>>> Without knowing why googlemail can't deliver the message, it's hard to
>>> suggest possible remedies.
>
>
> Go back to the user and ask him if he is sure there wasn't any other
> information in the DSN.
>
> Also, check your incoming MTA logs to see if there is anything there to
> indicate you rejected the message.
>
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Jan 20 06:27:04 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 21:27:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
In-Reply-To: <728BAFB6BA024BD9A3E901B2E62C826B@amit>
Message-ID: <PC19932013011921270405629bba7036@MSAPIRO>

Amit Bhatt wrote:

>I don't think there is any issue persisting because of Gmail, but just like 
>to tell that he is sending the messages from his mobile phone.


What happens if he sends from something other than his phone?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From christopher at custommade.org.uk  Sun Jan 20 07:51:08 2013
From: christopher at custommade.org.uk (Christopher Woods (CM))
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 06:51:08 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
In-Reply-To: <PC19932013011921270405629bba7036@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC19932013011921270405629bba7036@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <50FB93DC.4000708@custommade.org.uk>


On 20/01/2013 05:27, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Amit Bhatt wrote:
>
>> I don't think there is any issue persisting because of Gmail, but just like
>> to tell that he is sending the messages from his mobile phone.
> What happens if he sends from something other than his phone?

My thoughts also. If he's using ISP-provided SMTP, or they're 
transparently proxying outbound by whatever means, that might cause an 
SPF related bounce depending whether the sayeverything.org mailserver's 
enforcing strict policies.

Alternatively his messages may be being flagged as spam because he's 
sending from an Indian ISP ipblock (I aggressively nullroute all traffic 
from Chinese ipblocks on the servers I admin because I only ever, ever 
get abusive hack attempts from them, and that's before my dnswl and 
other list-checking procedures for incoming email).

I was wondering if the space at the end of the sayeverything.org domain 
(see his original quoted message) would make a difference but I've done 
two-way testing and both GMail and third party mailservers seem to 
either ignore or strip out the extraneous whitespace at the end of my 
domains during testing. This may be Thunderbird doing it for me also.

However if EPOC Email -- the Psion OS client! -- doesn't handle 
whitespace stripping, this might be causing the GMail problem where it's 
unable to send. I did check the error message but the mailer daemon 
return error didn't include any whitespace on the end of the message. 
However that could just be the mailer daemon send procedure stripping 
off the whitespace or just ignoring it. I did also find it unusual that 
Google included no technical details as to the nature of the failure, in 
my experience it's always done that.

I suggest the OP recommends his user experiencing the problem to first 
try re-typing, from scratch, the sayeverything at sayeverything.org list 
address, without the whitespace on the end, deleting any existing 
entries in his address book to avoid unintended repeat or autofill of 
the wrong address. Send a test message, and if that doesn't work, try 
from a desktop computer or the web interface.

If that doesn't work, he should try sending email to just the 
sayeverything mailserver with no CCs or multiple recipients (I noted he 
sent the same email to two addresses both in the primary To: field, good 
practice would have been to CC one of the recipients).

Failing that, it's time to get physical with the server hosting the 
sayeverything mailing list.

Best of luck...
Chris

From joemailgroups at gmail.com  Sun Jan 20 10:38:53 2013
From: joemailgroups at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 01:38:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription page alteration.
In-Reply-To: <PC199320130116211220090631f2ad9e@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC199320130116211220090631f2ad9e@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <48B45FA4-7E1B-48A3-A79F-CD0910F274FB@gmail.com>

Hi, Mark.

I followed your instructions and was able to make the changes. It was quite simple to do it following your instructions.

Thank you for your help.

Joe.


On January 16, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> JCGroups wrote:
>> 
>> Is there a simple way to edit the subscription page?
> 
> 
> Yes.
> 
> 
>> Is there a way to change this using the browser-based user interface or does the file for this page need to be modified?
> 
> 
> To edit the subscription form on the listonfo page for a single list,
> go to the list's web admin interface, follow the "Edit the public HTML
> pages and text files" link under "Other Administrative Activities" and
> edit the "General list information page".
> 
> If you want to change the page that applies by default to all lists in
> the installation or in a given domain see the FAQ at
> <http://wiki.list.org/x/jYA9>. The name of the template is
> listinfo.html.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 


From paul at fpen.org  Sun Jan 20 23:03:31 2013
From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:03:31 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving list members and passwords to Mailman on a
	new server
Message-ID: <9FA0C511-58F1-45CC-9373-9E7D5ECE4C3B@fpen.org>

I am finally migrating a copy of mailman lists off of an older Mac running 10.6 (Snow Leopard) Server to a new Mac with Mountain Lion 10.8 server.  I found the instructions on http://www.livetime.com/mountain-lion-mailman-mailing-list/ very helpful to install mailman on 10.8.  Since the paths seemed to be vastly different, I migrated the config.pck files with config_list, extracting the settings from 10.6 and importing them to the new config.pck file on the 10.8 box.  Subscribers were not migrated though it appears they are in the pickle file.

I tried to use step 6 from the website above 

ln -s /usr/local/mailman/bin/paths.py
python
import paths
import Mailman, pickle
configFile = open('config.pck')
config = pickle.load(configFile)
config['created_at']
<a title="members" href="http://www.livetime.com/members/">members</a> = config['members'].keys()
members.sort()
print 'n'.join(members)

But it did not work for me.  I tried pasting line by line, but after the python command, I was stuck.  I also fear that, thought it might be successful, it may not migrate passwords.

Can anyone tell me how I might migrate the list members to the new server along with their passwords?

Paul
--
Paul Kleeberg
paul at fpen.org



From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Jan 20 23:24:06 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 14:24:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving list members and passwords to Mailman on
	anew server
In-Reply-To: <9FA0C511-58F1-45CC-9373-9E7D5ECE4C3B@fpen.org>
Message-ID: <PC1993201301201424060359fdb0bf6d@MSAPIRO>

Paul Kleeberg wrote:
>
>Can anyone tell me how I might migrate the list members to the new server along with their passwords?


Just copy the config.pck files to the appropriate place on the new
server.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Jan 20 23:29:11 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 14:29:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving list members and passwords to Mailman
	onanew server
In-Reply-To: <PC1993201301201424060359fdb0bf6d@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <PC1993201301201429110625baf1fa7c@MSAPIRO>

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Paul Kleeberg wrote:
>>
>>Can anyone tell me how I might migrate the list members to the new server along with their passwords?
>
>
>Just copy the config.pck files to the appropriate place on the new
>server.


Also, see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/2oA9>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From paul at fpen.org  Mon Jan 21 18:24:41 2013
From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:24:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving list members and passwords to Mailman
	onanew server
In-Reply-To: <PC1993201301201429110625baf1fa7c@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC1993201301201429110625baf1fa7c@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <0E2040A8-BDE7-483C-9750-9543F6B9B5C7@fpen.org>

User error :-).  Worked exactly as Mark described.  Had to wrestle with Apache and dns little bit though (since I was adding a domain name to the new server) and the Mac web interface.  The web interface hosed my DNS but luckily was able to get it all back.

I do have one error.  I get the message that there are no publicly advertised lists on both the admin and listinfo pages however when I append those URLs with /<listname> it takes me to the appropriate pages and everything works fine from there.  I tried turning on and off the "Advertise this list?" in the privacy settings but it did not seem to make a difference.  Also ran withlist -l -r fix_url listname but that did not seem to make a difference.

Paul
--
Paul Kleeberg
paul at fpen.org


On Jan 20, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> Mark Sapiro wrote:
> 
>> Paul Kleeberg wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can anyone tell me how I might migrate the list members to the new server along with their passwords?
>> 
>> 
>> Just copy the config.pck files to the appropriate place on the new
>> server.
> 
> 
> Also, see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/2oA9>.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Jan 21 18:47:22 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:47:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving list members and passwords to Mailman
	onanew server
In-Reply-To: <0E2040A8-BDE7-483C-9750-9543F6B9B5C7@fpen.org>
Message-ID: <PC1993201301210947220625f3a77c87@MSAPIRO>

Paul Kleeberg wrote:
>
>I do have one error.  I get the message that there are no publicly
>advertised lists on both the admin and listinfo pages however when I
>append those URLs with /<listname> it takes me to the appropriate pages
>and everything works fine from there.  I tried turning on and off the
>"Advertise this list..." in the privacy settings but it did not seem to
>make a difference.  Also ran withlist -l -r fix_url listname but that
>did not seem to make a difference.


If the host name in the URL you are using to access the listinfo page
is not the same as DEFAULT_URL_HOST, you need to run

withlist -l -r fix_url listname -u hostname

See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/6oA9> and perhaps the others
linked therefrom.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From wells.nick53 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 20 19:28:26 2013
From: wells.nick53 at gmail.com (Nick Wells)
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:28:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List is down
Message-ID: <CAKuw_c1sDC-xwOX03-+EidEjshAmNCpd9yBwLhz8C9uFphjt-A@mail.gmail.com>

Our mailing list is down.  Whenever someone tries to send an email, there
is an error message received.  I'm also not able to connect to our mail
server.  Is this an issue on our end or is Mailman experiencing problems?
Is there anything to do about this?

From paul at fpen.org  Mon Jan 21 18:58:42 2013
From: paul at fpen.org (Paul Kleeberg)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:58:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving list members and passwords to Mailman
	onanew server
In-Reply-To: <PC1993201301210947220625f3a77c87@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC1993201301210947220625f3a77c87@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <B30ABA57-7A11-4C07-BB98-530EF311D1F8@fpen.org>

Bingo!  Thanks again!
--
Paul Kleeberg
paul at fpen.org


On Jan 21, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> If the host name in the URL you are using to access the listinfo page
> is not the same as DEFAULT_URL_HOST, you need to run
> 
> withlist -l -r fix_url listname -u hostname
> 
> See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/6oA9> and perhaps the others
> linked therefrom.
> 


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Jan 21 19:06:55 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:06:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List is down
In-Reply-To: <CAKuw_c1sDC-xwOX03-+EidEjshAmNCpd9yBwLhz8C9uFphjt-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC199320130121100655071818ae3705@MSAPIRO>

Nick Wells wrote:

>Our mailing list is down.  Whenever someone tries to send an email, there
>is an error message received.


What does the message say?


>I'm also not able to connect to our mail
>server.  Is this an issue on our end or is Mailman experiencing problems?


If you can't connect to the mail server, that has nothing to do with
Mailman. The server is down or there is some problem with the MTA on
that server.


>Is there anything to do about this?


Contact the people who admin/support your server.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From beakerboy99 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 22 13:23:30 2013
From: beakerboy99 at yahoo.com (Kevin Nowaczyk)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 04:23:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Storing mailing list members in a separate Database
Message-ID: <1358857410.55069.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I run a drupal site which contains email addresses of all my club members. Is there a way to configure mailman to use a custom query of a mysql database for the list information? I can easily add digest versus individual mail selection to each user's account. I'm trying to minimize duplication of effort when adding and removing members to the club rolls. A way to do it without mailman would be to have a cron script query the database and save the results in a postfix/virtual file. I'm guessing this would be quite messy. This can't be a new problem, so there must be a solution somewhere.


Thanks,
Kevin

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jan 24 00:26:39 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:26:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Storing mailing list members in a separate
	Database
In-Reply-To: <1358857410.55069.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <PC199320130123152639028105a97940@MSAPIRO>

Kevin Nowaczyk wrote:

>I run a drupal site which contains email addresses of all my club members. Is there a way to configure mailman to use a custom query of a mysql database for the list information?


Short answer: Yes. See <https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/558093>.

Longer answer: Mailman 2.1 accesses all list member information through
a single MemberAdaptor module. This module is defined at
Mailman/MemberAdaptor.py which defines and documents all the methods
that Mailman uses to store, retrieve and change member information.
The methods in this module are designed to be overridden by those of a
specific member information module.

The overriding module that ships with Mailman is
Mailmna/OldStyleMemberships.py. That module stores member info in the
same python pickle that stores the list configuration.

There is a MySQL adaptor from Kev Green in the tracker at the above
URL. There is also a fork of this adaptor at
<http://trac.rezo.net/trac/rezo/browser/Mailman>.

Neither of these is exactly what I think you're asking for as they use
a dedicated table for the member info, but they shouldn't be difficult
to modify to suit your requirement.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jan 24 01:37:22 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:37:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Storing mailing list members in a
	separateDatabase
In-Reply-To: <PC199320130123152639028105a97940@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <PC199320130123163722006280964654@MSAPIRO>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>Longer answer: Mailman 2.1 accesses all list member information through
>a single MemberAdaptor module.


I have written a short FAQ on member adaptors at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/VIDt>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From rpschwar at knology.net  Fri Jan 25 17:38:15 2013
From: rpschwar at knology.net (rpschwar at knology.net)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:38:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-subscibers.py
Message-ID: <61844958.23690218.1359131895565.JavaMail.root@md01.knology.synacor.com>


I have been using Mailman-subscibers.py to get a csv output of the list of my users. However, I had to rebuild my database and the path has been changed from the default location and is now ?/cgi-bin/mailman? instead of just ?/mailman . This cause the command that I was using: 

Mailman-subscribers.py -c -o output-members.csv m-c-b.org members_m-c-b.org <password> 
To not work any more 

I was told that I have to add a ?-u? option with the path but cannot get it to work. 

I have tried: 

Mailman-subscribers.py -c -o output-members.csv m-c-b.org ?u http://m-c-b.org/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/members_m-c-b.org <password> 
and 
Mailman-subscribers.py -c -o ?u output-members.csv m-c-b.org http://m-c-b.org/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/members_m-c-b.org <password> 

What is wrong with this command? 

From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Jan 25 20:03:14 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:03:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-subscibers.py
In-Reply-To: <61844958.23690218.1359131895565.JavaMail.root@md01.knology.synacor.com>
References: <61844958.23690218.1359131895565.JavaMail.root@md01.knology.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <5102D6F2.3050807@msapiro.net>

On 1/25/2013 8:38 AM, rpschwar at knology.net wrote:
> 
> I have been using Mailman-subscibers.py to get a csv output of the list of my users. However, I had to rebuild my database and the path has been changed from the default location and is now ?/cgi-bin/mailman? instead of just ?/mailman . This cause the command that I was using: 
> 
> Mailman-subscribers.py -c -o output-members.csv m-c-b.org members_m-c-b.org <password> 
> To not work any more 
> 
> I was told that I have to add a ?-u? option with the path but cannot get it to work. 


If you run the command with the -h option, it should describe how the -u
option works. Also, the failed commands you tried should have given you
this help information. If you saw the -u option description in the help
and it wasn't clear, please help me by suggesting clearer wording.

If your version of the script doesn't support -u, get the latest from
<http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/mailman-subscribers.py>.

You have two issues with what you are trying. All options including -u
and its setting must precede the host name in the command, and the value
of the -u option is just the path up to the admin cgi. It does not
include the http://hostname part nor the listname. You need to add just
"?u /cgi-bin/mailman/admin" to your prior command preceding the host
name so the command becomes

Mailman-subscribers.py -c -o output-members.csv ?u
/cgi-bin/mailman/admin m-c-b.org members_m-c-b.org <password>

(all on one line)

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From jbernier at risd.edu  Fri Jan 25 21:05:31 2013
From: jbernier at risd.edu (Jeff Bernier)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:05:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade for Postfix & Mailman
Message-ID: <CA+PNUCGqBfEG1nBn2_R5JRJVt4_74JJt4uanWLTy3efeJGn65w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I am currently running Mailman (2.1.14) and Postfix (2.4.3) on an aging Mac
OS X server (10.5.8). Mailman and Postfix on this system are Apple's
implementation on their platform of course. Apple no longer supports the
Xserve platform, and I am in need of replacing this system, and upgrading
to newer versions of Postfix and Mailman.

We use Postfix for our on campus SMTP Gateway, and Mailman for a small
number of active lists. The traffic is light.

Can anyone recommend a good replacement to this? Recommended Unix/Linux? Is
a VM environment an option?

I would like to get away from the Mac solution, and set up some flavor of
Unix with more current versions of Postfix and Mailman. I know this is a
very broad question, but I have a blank canvas here... just looking for a
direction to go in.

Any suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks

<http://risd.cc/finadmin-faq>
Jeff Bernier
Email & Accounts Administration
Rhode Island School of Design
20 Washington Place, Providence RI 02903
401.454.6168

From bsfinkel at att.net  Fri Jan 25 21:31:02 2013
From: bsfinkel at att.net (Barry S. Finkel)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:31:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade for Postfix & Mailman
In-Reply-To: <CA+PNUCGqBfEG1nBn2_R5JRJVt4_74JJt4uanWLTy3efeJGn65w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+PNUCGqBfEG1nBn2_R5JRJVt4_74JJt4uanWLTy3efeJGn65w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5102EB86.9040504@att.net>

On 1/25/2013 2:05 PM, Jeff Bernier wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I am currently running Mailman (2.1.14) and Postfix (2.4.3) on an aging Mac
> OS X server (10.5.8). Mailman and Postfix on this system are Apple's
> implementation on their platform of course. Apple no longer supports the
> Xserve platform, and I am in need of replacing this system, and upgrading
> to newer versions of Postfix and Mailman.
>
> We use Postfix for our on campus SMTP Gateway, and Mailman for a small
> number of active lists. The traffic is light.
>
> Can anyone recommend a good replacement to this? Recommended Unix/Linux? Is
> a VM environment an option?
>
> I would like to get away from the Mac solution, and set up some flavor of
> Unix with more current versions of Postfix and Mailman. I know this is a
> very broad question, but I have a blank canvas here... just looking for a
> direction to go in.
>
> Any suggestions are appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> <http://risd.cc/finadmin-faq>
> Jeff Bernier
> Email & Accounts Administration
> Rhode Island School of Design
> 20 Washington Place, Providence RI 02903
> 401.454.6168
> ------------------------------------------------------

I would suggest a virtual Linux machine.  I would use the
SourceForge source instead of any pre-packaged Mailman
solution.  I looked at the Debian/Ubuntu Mailman package a
number of years ago, and there were many patches that were not
documented.  At least one patch incorrectly removed a library that
may be needed.  I had to use a package, so I took the Debian/Ubuntu
package and used it to build my own package from the SourceForge source.
The only Debian/Ubuntu patch that I kept was one that placed the various
Mailman libraries in the proper directories for Debian/Ubuntu.
With only a few lists, there is no need for a real machine.  Make sure
that you allocate enough disk space for the growing list archives.

I am not sure if there are any Apple-installed patches that may be
incompatible with the SourceForge source.

--Barry Finkel

From cnulk at scu.edu  Fri Jan 25 22:31:49 2013
From: cnulk at scu.edu (Chris Nulk)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:31:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information about config_list and change_pw
Message-ID: <5102F9C5.4030201@scu.edu>

Hello all,

Before I go and completely savage the lists we have here, I thought I 
would try to get a little more information about using config_list.

I get the list information from a file sent to me.  I want to use a 
script to process the file, output the processed data to a file, then 
use config_list to make the changes to the appropriate list(s).  The 
only values I want to change are the list's owner, moderator, and the 
*_these_nonmembers.

Can I create a file (properly formatted) to input into config_list 
containing only the values I want to change?  Or, do I have to dump the 
entire file, make the changes, then reload?


Next, I see the change_pw allows me to change a list's password.  Is 
that the owner's password, the moderator's password, or both?  If it is 
only the owners password, is there a way to change the moderator's 
password through some other mechanism/program?


Thanks,
Chris

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jan 26 03:10:18 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:10:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information about config_list and change_pw
In-Reply-To: <5102F9C5.4030201@scu.edu>
Message-ID: <PC1993201301251810180250f087fd0c@MSAPIRO>

Chris Nulk wrote:
>
>Can I create a file (properly formatted) to input into config_list 
>containing only the values I want to change?  Or, do I have to dump the 
>entire file, make the changes, then reload?


You can include in the input to config_list only those things you wish
to change. Attributes not defined in the config_list input will be
unchanged.


>Next, I see the change_pw allows me to change a list's password.  Is 
>that the owner's password, the moderator's password, or both?  If it is 
>only the owners password, is there a way to change the moderator's 
>password through some other mechanism/program?


It's only the list owner/admin password. You can use config_list to
change either the admin or moderator password or both.

This three-line input to config_list

from Mailman.Utils import sha_new
password = sha_new('abc').hexdigest()
mod_password = sha_new('def').hexdigest()

will set the admin password to abc and the moderator poassword to def.
When run, it will give this output

Non-standard property restored: password
Non-standard property restored: mod_password
attribute "sha_new" ignored

That is expected. If you don't want to set both passwords, just omit
the corresponding line from the input file.

The lines must be exactly as shown except for the actual passwords.

You can add additional settings in the same input file.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From james at thereidsonline.com  Sun Jan 27 09:43:13 2013
From: james at thereidsonline.com (James Reid)
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:43:13 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman hosting needed
In-Reply-To: <CAKuw_c1sDC-xwOX03-+EidEjshAmNCpd9yBwLhz8C9uFphjt-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKuw_c1sDC-xwOX03-+EidEjshAmNCpd9yBwLhz8C9uFphjt-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5104E8A1.5020200@thereidsonline.com>

Hi Everyone,

I've been running my own server hosting (amongst other things) mailman 
for the last 10+ years using a combination of either my own server, or 
more recently VPS.

However, I've got to the point in my life where it is too much work to 
maintain the servers myself, so am now offloading all the services on to 
hosted services.

I have successfully moved everything off with the exception of some 
mailman services that I run for my church.

I have three lists one of which is used significantly more than the 
other two, but collectively they have no more than 700 messages per year 
sent on them / 250 subscribers.

Can anyone recommend a host that might be suitable for my needs?

Thanks!
James.

From brian at emwd.com  Sun Jan 27 14:20:33 2013
From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter)
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 08:20:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman hosting needed
In-Reply-To: <5104E8A1.5020200@thereidsonline.com>
References: <CAKuw_c1sDC-xwOX03-+EidEjshAmNCpd9yBwLhz8C9uFphjt-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<5104E8A1.5020200@thereidsonline.com>
Message-ID: <1c0001cdfc91$16a67e80$43f37b80$@emwd.com>

> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I've been running my own server hosting (amongst other things) mailman for
> the last 10+ years using a combination of either my own server, or more
> recently VPS.
> 
> However, I've got to the point in my life where it is too much work to
maintain
> the servers myself, so am now offloading all the services on to hosted
services.
> 
> I have successfully moved everything off with the exception of some
mailman
> services that I run for my church.
> 
> I have three lists one of which is used significantly more than the other
two, but
> collectively they have no more than 700 messages per year sent on them /
250
> subscribers.
> 
> Can anyone recommend a host that might be suitable for my needs?

Hi James:

The Mailman community keeps a list of Mailman friendly hosts located at:

http://wiki.list.org/display/COM/Mailman+hosting+services

My company is on that list and I would like to invite you to take a look at
our Mailman specific hosting service. You can get more information at
http://www.emwd.com/mailman.html. 

Feel free to shoot me off any questions off-list if you have any. Have a
great weekend.

Brian Carpenter
EMWD.com

T: 336.755.0685
E: brian at emwd.com
www.emwd.com


From ed at esson.net  Sun Jan 27 09:59:47 2013
From: ed at esson.net (Ed Kasky)
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:59:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman hosting needed
In-Reply-To: <5104E8A1.5020200@thereidsonline.com>
References: <CAKuw_c1sDC-xwOX03-+EidEjshAmNCpd9yBwLhz8C9uFphjt-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<5104E8A1.5020200@thereidsonline.com>
Message-ID: <5104EC83.9060804@esson.net>

I just did exactly what you are doing for the same reasons...

I moved everything over to Asmallorange and so far I have been very happy.

http://asmallorange.com/

On 1/27/2013 12:43 AM, James Reid wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I've been running my own server hosting (amongst other things) mailman 
> for the last 10+ years using a combination of either my own server, or 
> more recently VPS.
>
> However, I've got to the point in my life where it is too much work to 
> maintain the servers myself, so am now offloading all the services on 
> to hosted services.
>
> I have successfully moved everything off with the exception of some 
> mailman services that I run for my church.
>
> I have three lists one of which is used significantly more than the 
> other two, but collectively they have no more than 700 messages per 
> year sent on them / 250 subscribers.
>
> Can anyone recommend a host that might be suitable for my needs?
>
> Thanks!
> James.
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From rb211 at tds.net  Mon Jan 28 00:58:40 2013
From: rb211 at tds.net (William Bagwell)
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:58:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman hosting needed
In-Reply-To: <5104EC83.9060804@esson.net>
References: <CAKuw_c1sDC-xwOX03-+EidEjshAmNCpd9yBwLhz8C9uFphjt-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<5104E8A1.5020200@thereidsonline.com> <5104EC83.9060804@esson.net>
Message-ID: <201301271858.40191.rb211@tds.net>

On Sunday 27 January 2013, Ed Kasky wrote:
> I just did exactly what you are doing for the same reasons...
>
> I moved everything over to Asmallorange and so far I have been very happy.

Long time ASO customer... They have a strict 1,000 emails per hour limit so a 
discussion list with 250 members would exceed this with as few as five posts 
in one hour. (Assuming no digest members.) AFAICT all size plans have the 
same limit. However, it *is* possible to split a single list between two 
separate plans. 

But yes, if you are not a spamer, can stay within the 1,000 per hour limit, 
and are not offended by Mailman via cPanel, ASO is hard to beat on price.
-- 
William

From brian at emwd.com  Mon Jan 28 01:37:01 2013
From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter)
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:37:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman hosting needed
In-Reply-To: <201301271858.40191.rb211@tds.net>
References: <CAKuw_c1sDC-xwOX03-+EidEjshAmNCpd9yBwLhz8C9uFphjt-A@mail.gmail.com>	<5104E8A1.5020200@thereidsonline.com>
	<5104EC83.9060804@esson.net> <201301271858.40191.rb211@tds.net>
Message-ID: <1d2b01cdfcef$9690fcc0$c3b2f640$@emwd.com>

Hi James:

I am not sure if you decided on a provider to move your lists to but I can
offer you $7 per month hosting for your 3 lists. We can also assist you in
moving your data to our mailman service  including your archives and list
configuration settings. We impose no sending limits on any of our mailman
clients and we have special servers setup that serve ONLY mailman users.
These servers are whitelisted with most ISPs to insure reliable delivery to
your list members.

http://www.emwd.com/mailman.html


Brian Carpenter
EMWD.com

T: 336.755.0685
E: brian at emwd.com
www.emwd.com
?




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-
> bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org] On Behalf Of William Bagwell
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:59 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman hosting needed
> 
> On Sunday 27 January 2013, Ed Kasky wrote:
> > I just did exactly what you are doing for the same reasons...
> >
> > I moved everything over to Asmallorange and so far I have been very
happy.
> 
> Long time ASO customer... They have a strict 1,000 emails per hour limit
so a
> discussion list with 250 members would exceed this with as few as five
posts in
> one hour. (Assuming no digest members.) AFAICT all size plans have the
same
> limit. However, it *is* possible to split a single list between two
separate plans.
> 
> But yes, if you are not a spamer, can stay within the 1,000 per hour
limit, and
> are not offended by Mailman via cPanel, ASO is hard to beat on price.
> --
> William
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy:
> http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-
> archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-
> users/brian%40emwd.com


From khillo100 at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 28 05:18:47 2013
From: khillo100 at hotmail.com (Khalil Abbas)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:18:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suggestions
Message-ID: <DUB118-DS604380B7426CDA9C22B5CFB180@phx.gbl>

Hello guys..

Thanks you for this greatest piece of software I?ve ever seen & has been using for over 6 years now :)

I have a couple of suggestions:

- Many users do not have SSH access because they?re on shared hosting, and it?s pain in the act when moving from one hosting provider to another.. it would be nice to have an option to import/export list setting (./config_list) from the web interface..

- on the other hand, it would be great to have an option in ssh prompt to list messages awaiting moderation and have options to approve or reject them..

- also a FULL content & settings backup option in one tar ball file will be great, i.e. moving from one server to another is also pain in the act if you have many lists..

if I came up with more suggestions I?ll update you guys, and I urge other users to contribute if they have useful ideas like these maybe we?ll benefit from them in the next mailman version..

Thanks again :)

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Jan 28 05:44:58 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:44:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <DUB118-DS604380B7426CDA9C22B5CFB180@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB118-DS604380B7426CDA9C22B5CFB180@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5106024A.4050208@msapiro.net>

On 1/27/2013 8:18 PM, Khalil Abbas wrote:
> 
> I have a couple of suggestions:
> 
> - Many users do not have SSH access because they?re on shared hosting, and it?s pain in the act when moving from one hosting provider to another.. it would be nice to have an option to import/export list setting (./config_list) from the web interface..


See <https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/266877>.


> - on the other hand, it would be great to have an option in ssh prompt to list messages awaiting moderation and have options to approve or reject them..


See <http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/list_requests>.


> - also a FULL content & settings backup option in one tar ball file will be great, i.e. moving from one server to another is also pain in the act if you have many lists..


If <https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/266877> isn't everything you
want, comment there.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From cnulk at scu.edu  Mon Jan 28 19:37:36 2013
From: cnulk at scu.edu (Chris Nulk)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:37:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information about config_list and change_pw
In-Reply-To: <PC1993201301251810180250f087fd0c@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC1993201301251810180250f087fd0c@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <5106C570.3090601@scu.edu>

On 1/25/2013 6:10 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Chris Nulk wrote:
>> Can I create a file (properly formatted) to input into config_list
>> containing only the values I want to change?  Or, do I have to dump the
>> entire file, make the changes, then reload?
>
> You can include in the input to config_list only those things you wish
> to change. Attributes not defined in the config_list input will be
> unchanged.
>
>
>> Next, I see the change_pw allows me to change a list's password.  Is
>> that the owner's password, the moderator's password, or both?  If it is
>> only the owners password, is there a way to change the moderator's
>> password through some other mechanism/program?
>
> It's only the list owner/admin password. You can use config_list to
> change either the admin or moderator password or both.
>
> This three-line input to config_list
>
> from Mailman.Utils import sha_new
> password = sha_new('abc').hexdigest()
> mod_password = sha_new('def').hexdigest()
>
> will set the admin password to abc and the moderator poassword to def.
> When run, it will give this output
>
> Non-standard property restored: password
> Non-standard property restored: mod_password
> attribute "sha_new" ignored
>
> That is expected. If you don't want to set both passwords, just omit
> the corresponding line from the input file.
>
> The lines must be exactly as shown except for the actual passwords.
>
> You can add additional settings in the same input file.
>

Thanks for the information, Mark.   While I was waiting for a response 
from the list, I searched the archives for the discussion about 
setting/unsetting the moderation bit on list members.  I remember there 
was a discussion and a script to it.  I found the discussion (and 
script) but also saw your website with Mailman scripts.  After reviewing 
the scripts on your site, would it be better to use the various scripts 
to make changes.

For example, should I use:
1. non_members script to make entry changes to the *_these_nonmembers,
2. change_admins.py to change the owner/moderator of a list,
3. change_pw to change the list owner/moderator password,
4. and set_mod.py to change the moderation bit for list members.

I know I will have to do some coding to add the ability to change the 
moderator password to the change_pw program.  I figured I would add a 
-m/--mod_password option and duplicate the -p option with appropriate 
corrections.

It seems to make a little more sense to use scripts/programs that are 
more targeted to specific changes I want to make to a list and I can 
document what I am doing a little easier.

Thanks for the information and any advice,
Chris


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Jan 28 19:53:01 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:53:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information about config_list and change_pw
In-Reply-To: <5106C570.3090601@scu.edu>
Message-ID: <PC199320130128105301018733c626bc@MSAPIRO>

Chris Nulk wrote:
>
>It seems to make a little more sense to use scripts/programs that are 
>more targeted to specific changes I want to make to a list and I can 
>document what I am doing a little easier.


If you know what you are doing, you can do anything to a list with
config_list or withlist. These are powerful tools that also have the
ability to break things badly if you don't know what you're doing or
make a mistake.

A targeted script is more limited in what it can do, but if it is well
tested, probably won't break anything in an irrecoverable way.

Most of the scripts in my scripts/ directory were created in response
to "how do I" questions on this list that I thought were of some wider
interest. They exist so I can point people at them rather than
explaining how to do it each time it comes up. Others are things I
actually use myself.

Ultimately, its a matter of taste, style and frequency of use that
determines the choice of a targeted script vs. a more general tool to
accomplish a specific task.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From cnulk at scu.edu  Mon Jan 28 23:19:53 2013
From: cnulk at scu.edu (Chris Nulk)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:19:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information about config_list and change_pw
In-Reply-To: <PC199320130128105301018733c626bc@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC199320130128105301018733c626bc@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <5106F989.7020806@scu.edu>

On 1/28/2013 10:53 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Chris Nulk wrote:
>> It seems to make a little more sense to use scripts/programs that are
>> more targeted to specific changes I want to make to a list and I can
>> document what I am doing a little easier.
>
> If you know what you are doing, you can do anything to a list with
> config_list or withlist. These are powerful tools that also have the
> ability to break things badly if you don't know what you're doing or
> make a mistake.
>
> A targeted script is more limited in what it can do, but if it is well
> tested, probably won't break anything in an irrecoverable way.
>
> Most of the scripts in my scripts/ directory were created in response
> to "how do I" questions on this list that I thought were of some wider
> interest. They exist so I can point people at them rather than
> explaining how to do it each time it comes up. Others are things I
> actually use myself.
>
> Ultimately, its a matter of taste, style and frequency of use that
> determines the choice of a targeted script vs. a more general tool to
> accomplish a specific task.
>

Great information, Mark.  I appreciate your time and knowledge for 
replying.

I agree both config_list and withlist have a lot of power.  I think 
using the targeted scripts will work better for me since they are more 
limited.  I also appreciate you having created some very useful scripts 
for others to use.

Thanks again,
Chris

From misterbhatt at gmail.com  Tue Jan 29 02:53:07 2013
From: misterbhatt at gmail.com (Amit Bhatt)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:23:07 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not showing the correct number of subscribers....
Message-ID: <6AF550EC1D2A4C80BECA34641ED25031@amit>

Hi,

I suspect that my mailing list: sayeverything at sayeverything.org is not showing the exact number of total subscribers. Since last couple of weeks I have been approving the subscription request but the total number is shown as it was as earlier. total members reached to 406 a Month back but I am not able to see any change in numbers, wile I am subscribing other members too.

Please suggest.

Regards,

Amit Bhatt

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jan 29 03:05:51 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:05:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not showing the correct number of
	subscribers....
In-Reply-To: <6AF550EC1D2A4C80BECA34641ED25031@amit>
Message-ID: <PC19932013012818055102503e17332d@MSAPIRO>

Amit Bhatt wrote:
>
>I suspect that my mailing list: sayeverything at sayeverything.org is not showing the exact number of total subscribers. Since last couple of weeks I have been approving the subscription request but the total number is shown as it was as earlier. total members reached to 406 a Month back but I am not able to see any change in numbers, wile I am subscribing other members too.


Check Mailman's subscribe log to see if recent subscriptions have been
successful and to see if there have been a corresponding number of
unsubscribes that would keep the membership constant.

Also check the membership list to see if those members recently added
are there.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From listeyon at metu.edu.tr  Tue Jan 29 10:08:30 2013
From: listeyon at metu.edu.tr (METU E-List Admin)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:08:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] About Spam Filtering
Message-ID: <5107918E.80707@metu.edu.tr>

Hello,

In some of our lists, we are receiving excessive spam messages. We 
analyzed the spam messages and found that they have similar headers. As 
a result, we developed the following list:

^X-Mailer: (?!Microsoft Outlook .*)$
^X-mailer: .*$
^X-Mailer-LID: .*$
^X-Mailer-RecptId: .*$
^X-Mailer-SID: .*$
^X-Mailer-Sent-By: .*$
^X-Spam-Status: Yes.*$
^X-Spam-Flag: YES
^X-Virus-Status: Yes

We don't want to receive any mails from external mail systems, only real 
persons can send emails.

We enter this list to the bounce_matching_headers part (in the admin 
panel, under Spam Filtering).

However, we couldn't make this list processed by Mailman. We also 
couldn't understand in what part we are doing wrong.

Can you please assist us in this situation?

Thanks,

Note: We are using Mailman 2.1.13

From beta at admilon.net  Tue Jan 29 10:27:38 2013
From: beta at admilon.net (Matthias Schmidt)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:27:38 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual domain https and admin interface
Message-ID: <1C5E7D17-14AE-48E2-8C80-D854DBE0A8DC@admilon.net>

Hello,
I have mailman 2.1.14 running on OS X Server 10.6.8
One list runs on a virtual domain.
All webpages for the list are addressed via https.
I achieved that with a redirect rule in apache, it simply redirects all http of that domain to https.
That works fine so far, but when I try to approve the message of a moderated user nothing happens, the page just gets reloaded with no change.
What I'm missing here?
thanks
Matthias 

From beta at admilon.net  Tue Jan 29 11:19:20 2013
From: beta at admilon.net (Matthias Schmidt)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:19:20 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual domain https and admin interface
In-Reply-To: <1C5E7D17-14AE-48E2-8C80-D854DBE0A8DC@admilon.net>
References: <1C5E7D17-14AE-48E2-8C80-D854DBE0A8DC@admilon.net>
Message-ID: <4851E662-A6F8-45A1-8CE1-A77FAF7179CE@admilon.net>

Am 29.01.2013 um 18:27 schrieb Matthias Schmidt:

> Hello,
> I have mailman 2.1.14 running on OS X Server 10.6.8
> One list runs on a virtual domain.
> All webpages for the list are addressed via https.
> I achieved that with a redirect rule in apache, it simply redirects all http of that domain to https.
> That works fine so far, but when I try to approve the message of a moderated user nothing happens, the page just gets reloaded with no change.
> What I'm missing here?

hmm, I found this: http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/4.27+Securing+Mailman's+web+GUI+by+using+Secure+HTTP-SSL
and followed these advice, but now it still doesn't work and on top of it I get redicted to the default url host with the login page after trying to accept a moderated mail.

mm_cfg.py looks like this:
MTA = 'Postfix'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mcgregor.admilon.net'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mcgregor.admilon.net'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost('www.virtualA.com', 'virtualA.com')
add_virtualhost('liste.virtualB.com', 'virtualB.com')
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['virtualA.com','virtualB.com']

thanks
Matthias



From mailman at msbezold.de  Tue Jan 29 08:05:41 2013
From: mailman at msbezold.de (Matthias Bezold)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:05:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman does not ask for password
Message-ID: <8D6DDC31-0BCF-408B-816B-EEFA9E8A94ED@msbezold.de>

Hi all,


we have a problem with mailman on Ubuntu 10LTS. We have set a site password using mmsitepass (and before that using the Plesk interface). Mailman is referenced globally for several domains using a ScriptAlias, but when opening the admin interface (e.g. .../cgi-bin/mailman/create), mailman does not ask for a password. What else can be do to enable the site password that you have to enter before you receive any options in the mailman area?

Any help is really appreciated - thanks!


Matthias

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jan 29 23:33:11 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:33:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] About Spam Filtering
In-Reply-To: <5107918E.80707@metu.edu.tr>
Message-ID: <PC19932013012914331109067508d395@MSAPIRO>

METU E-List Admin wrote:
>
>In some of our lists, we are receiving excessive spam messages. We 
>analyzed the spam messages and found that they have similar headers. As 
>a result, we developed the following list:
>
>^X-Mailer: (?!Microsoft Outlook .*)$
>^X-mailer: .*$

This includes the one above it.


>^X-Mailer-LID: .*$
>^X-Mailer-RecptId: .*$
>^X-Mailer-SID: .*$
>^X-Mailer-Sent-By: .*$
>^X-Spam-Status: Yes.*$
>^X-Spam-Flag: YES
>^X-Virus-Status: Yes
>
>We don't want to receive any mails from external mail systems, only real 
>persons can send emails.
>
>We enter this list to the bounce_matching_headers part (in the admin 
>panel, under Spam Filtering).


bounce_matching_headers doesn't work that way. See the '(Details for
bounce_matching_headers' link.

Regexps like the above should go in header_filter_rules with an
appropriate action.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jan 29 23:38:27 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:38:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual domain https and admin interface
In-Reply-To: <4851E662-A6F8-45A1-8CE1-A77FAF7179CE@admilon.net>
Message-ID: <PC199320130129143827000026ccea1b@MSAPIRO>

Matthias Schmidt wrote:
>
>hmm, I found this: http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/4.27+Securing+Mailman's+web+GUI+by+using+Secure+HTTP-SSL
>and followed these advice, but now it still doesn't work and on top of it I get redicted to the default url host with the login page after trying to accept a moderated mail.
>
>mm_cfg.py looks like this:
>MTA = 'Postfix'
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mcgregor.admilon.net'
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'mcgregor.admilon.net'
>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
>PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'
>VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
>add_virtualhost('www.virtualA.com', 'virtualA.com')
>add_virtualhost('liste.virtualB.com', 'virtualB.com')
>POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['virtualA.com','virtualB.com']


You need to run

bin/withlist -r fix_url -l LISTNAME -u xxx

where xxx is either www.virtualA.com or liste.virtualB.com as
appropriate for the list. It seems you ran fix_url, but without the -u
option for the list's web domain.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jan 29 23:50:36 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:50:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman does not ask for password
In-Reply-To: <8D6DDC31-0BCF-408B-816B-EEFA9E8A94ED@msbezold.de>
Message-ID: <PC1993201301291450360312eb9fe75c@MSAPIRO>

Matthias Bezold wrote:
>
>we have a problem with mailman on Ubuntu 10LTS. We have set a site password using mmsitepass (and before that using the Plesk interface). Mailman is referenced globally for several domains using a ScriptAlias, but when opening the admin interface (e.g. .../cgi-bin/mailman/create), mailman does not ask for a password.


The Mailman create page doesn't ask for the creator authentication when
you go to the page. You need to enter the password in the last field
on the form.


>What else can be do to enable the site password that you have to enter before you receive any options in the mailman area?


If you can visit admin pages other than the overview (e.g.
.../cgi-bin/mailman/admin/LISTNAME) without authentication, you
probably have a saved authentication cookie for the list in your
browser.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From listeyon at metu.edu.tr  Wed Jan 30 13:53:37 2013
From: listeyon at metu.edu.tr (METU E-List Admin)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:53:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] About Spam Filtering
In-Reply-To: <PC19932013012914331109067508d395@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC19932013012914331109067508d395@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <510917D1.9070102@metu.edu.tr>

I have added

^X-Mailer: (?!Microsoft Outlook .*)$

as the first rule and set to Hold according to your instructions.

I tried to block all mails except the mails from MS Outlook. However 
today, I received an email with header like:

X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000

I couldn't understand why this header did not go to pending moderator 
requests.



On 01/30/2013 12:33 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> METU E-List Admin wrote:
>> In some of our lists, we are receiving excessive spam messages. We
>> analyzed the spam messages and found that they have similar headers. As
>> a result, we developed the following list:
>>
>> ^X-Mailer: (?!Microsoft Outlook .*)$
>> ^X-mailer: .*$
> This includes the one above it.
>
>
>> ^X-Mailer-LID: .*$
>> ^X-Mailer-RecptId: .*$
>> ^X-Mailer-SID: .*$
>> ^X-Mailer-Sent-By: .*$
>> ^X-Spam-Status: Yes.*$
>> ^X-Spam-Flag: YES
>> ^X-Virus-Status: Yes
>>
>> We don't want to receive any mails from external mail systems, only real
>> persons can send emails.
>>
>> We enter this list to the bounce_matching_headers part (in the admin
>> panel, under Spam Filtering).
>
> bounce_matching_headers doesn't work that way. See the '(Details for
> bounce_matching_headers' link.
>
> Regexps like the above should go in header_filter_rules with an
> appropriate action.
>


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Jan 30 17:06:32 2013
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:06:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] About Spam Filtering
In-Reply-To: <510917D1.9070102@metu.edu.tr>
Message-ID: <PC19932013013008063203328854c16c@MSAPIRO>

METU E-List Admin wrote:

>I have added
>
>^X-Mailer: (?!Microsoft Outlook .*)$
>
>as the first rule and set to Hold according to your instructions.
>
>I tried to block all mails except the mails from MS Outlook. However 
>today, I received an email with header like:
>
>X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
>
>I couldn't understand why this header did not go to pending moderator 
>requests.


Was the message addressed to the list address or to the list-owner
address? header_filter_rules with Hold action are not applied to
-owner mail.

If this doesn't explain it, please post the entire content of
header_filter_rules and the full headers of the message you received.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From listeyon at metu.edu.tr  Thu Jan 31 08:42:36 2013
From: listeyon at metu.edu.tr (METU E-List Admin)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 09:42:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] About Spam Filtering
In-Reply-To: <PC19932013013008063203328854c16c@MSAPIRO>
References: <PC19932013013008063203328854c16c@MSAPIRO>
Message-ID: <510A206C.4050805@metu.edu.tr>


The message was addressed to the list address. The email address I have 
registered is not the owner of the list.

The message headers are:

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header_filter_rules are in the following link:

http://metu.edu.tr/~bingol/poptions.jpeg

Thank you.


On 01/30/2013 06:06 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> METU E-List Admin wrote:
>
>> I have added
>>
>> ^X-Mailer: (?!Microsoft Outlook .*)$
>>
>> as the first rule and set to Hold according to your instructions.
>>
>> I tried to block all mails except the mails from MS Outlook. However
>> today, I received an email with header like:
>>
>> X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
>>
>> I couldn't understand why this header did not go to pending moderator
>> requests.
>
> Was the message addressed to the list address or to the list-owner
> address? header_filter_rules with Hold action are not applied to
> -owner mail.
>
> If this doesn't explain it, please post the entire content of
> header_filter_rules and the full headers of the message you received.
>


From heather_dubin at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 31 00:05:05 2013
From: heather_dubin at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Heather_Ben=E9_Dubin?=)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:05:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Links showing up twice in posted messages
Message-ID: <1359587105.6491.YahooMailNeo@web160802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hello...

I'm wondering if someone can help me. I'm currently using version 2.1.14 of the GNU Mailman software to host a number of different lists. All of them work GREAT, but I'm running into a problem with one of them that I just can't seem to figure out.

Whenever members post messages to this particular list using any kind of URL, the URL comes through twice, for example: 

heather_dubin at yahoo.com<mailto:heather_dubin at yahoo.com>
http://www.cce-usa.org/<http://www.cce-usa.org/>

I have looked through all of the settings and compared them to the settings of the lists that are working properly, but I don't see anything that's different. 


Does anyone have ANY idea why this is happening and what I can do to fix it?

Thank you in advance for any help you can offer!

Heather Ben? Dubin

From stucki at mi.fu-berlin.de  Thu Jan 31 21:01:05 2013
From: stucki at mi.fu-berlin.de (Christoph (Stucki) von Stuckrad)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:01:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Links showing up twice in posted messages
In-Reply-To: <1359587105.6491.YahooMailNeo@web160802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1359587105.6491.YahooMailNeo@web160802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20130131200102.GT3863@localhost.mi.fu-berlin.de>

On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, Heather Ben? Dubin wrote:

> heather_dubin at yahoo.com<mailto:heather_dubin at yahoo.com>
> http://www.cce-usa.org/<http://www.cce-usa.org/>
...
> Does anyone have ANY idea why this is happening and what I can do to fix it?

I seem to remember, that outlook did that to arbitrary mails,
not only to mails from mailman - are you sure it is not your
mailreader which SHOWS this instead of mailman CHANGING the mail?
Did others on the list, using different readers, see the same?
Do you see the changes in the archive of the list (if switched on).

Stucki

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