[Mailman-Users] DMARC issues

Mitra IMAP fmouse at fmp.com
Sat Apr 12 04:01:36 CEST 2014

Our observation here has been that only Yahoo addresses, and those of other services which also uses the DMARC algorithm generate bounces. Because the From: address contains yahoo.com, and the IP address of the list server does not reverse resolve to a yahoo.com server, the list email is refused by Yahoo. The list of refusing servers includes Yahoo, Comcast, AT&T, Hotmail and a number of others.

Lindsay Haisley
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On Apr 11, 2014, at 8:28 PM, Peter Shute <pshute at nuw.org.au> wrote:

> I hadn't heard of this till now. Could somebody please confirm if my understanding of the issue is correct?
> This is what I'm thinking will happen, please correct where I'm wrong:
> - A list member sends an email to the list from a yahoo address
> - The list sends that email out to all the list members
> - The recipients' mail servers will (might?) check with yahoo what to do with the email, and will be advised to reject it
> - The list will receive a bounce for every email address whose mail server follows that advice
> - Those recipients whose mail server follows the advice will not receive the message
> - The list will increment the bounce score for all those affected receipients, but only once per day
> - The increment will be 1 because this is a hard bounce
> - If the score reaches the bounce_score_threshold before the bounce_info_stale_after number of days has passed since the most recent bounce, then the member's subscription is disabled.
> If that's correct then my understanding is that:
> - If a list has at least one active yahoo member then pretty soon everyone's subscription will be disabled (not unsubscribed?).
> - If a list receives vey few messages from yahoo addresses then the only effect will be that their messages don't get through, and that they might still get through to some people.
> I'm a moderator for a cpanel list, but don't have access to any of the settings. Can someone tell me what the default settings are for bounce_score_threshold  and bounce_info_stale_after? I'm assuming ours might still be whatever the defaults are.
> Am I right in thinking that if we make these values high enough, we'll see no accounts disabled, and the only side effects will be more bounces and yahoo mail won't get through? Would this be an acceptable solution for a list with only 1000 members and low traffic, assuming we warn the yahoo members to use a different address?
> Peter Shute
> Siniša Burina wrote:
> I believe there's no need to elaborate on the problems recently introduced by Yahoo, changing their
> DMARC DNS record and rendering many mailman lists unusable for Yahoo mail users.
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