[Mailman-Users] Who authored the message?

Dave Nathanson Dave.Lists at Nathanson.org
Tue May 13 18:48:47 CEST 2014

Hi Mark,
We've got Mailman 2.1.17 at Dreamhost. 

List Settings:
from_is_list = Mung From
anonymous_list = No
first_strip_reply_to = Yes
reply_goes_to_list  = Explicit address
reply_to_address = AlmostEverybody at example.com (without subdomain)
Include_sender_header = Yes

In this case, the message author MUA does not provide their display name, and 
the list _does_ have a real name for that person, but Mailman did not insert it. So after going through Mailman, the 
From header said only: "Via AlmostEverybody at list.example.com". 

Today I experimented with first_strip_reply_to set to No.  

This means that a reply is addressed to both the list and to previous author. 
If nodups = Yes. 
Then the previous author will get only 1 copy of the message. But the copy they get is the direct mail (including senders email address), not the list mail. When that person replies to the message, it will only go to the most recent previous author, not to the list. 

Maybe this is acceptable(?), since most of the time people don't reply to their own list messages?  

Im my experience, the majority of users are incapable of adding or deleting anything from the Reply-To or To field. That's why up to now, I've opted for the Reply-To to only contain the desired list address. 

 Dave Nathanson
 Mac Medix

On May 12, 2014, at 9:32 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 05/12/2014 08:45 PM, Dave Nathanson wrote:
>> I saw a message today sent to a list named "AlmostEverybody". The message author did not properly configure their MUA (Verizon webmail) with their proper name, so the only identifier is their email address. Which is of course now deleted as part of DEMARC compliance. Leaving us with a message and no indication of who sent it. The "From" was merely "Via AlmostEverybody at list.example.com". No name, no author email address. Of course no sig either. 
> What Mailman version are you using? In the current version (2.1.18-1)
> you should be seeing the either the author's display name from her From:
> header or if none and From: a list member, the members real name from
> the membership list, or if none, at least the local part of the email
> address.
> Also, the author's original From: will be in Reply-To: in every case,
> except see bug <https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/1318025>.
>> List members are unable to reply off-list to the author, and they don't even know who the author is. 
> Again, what is your Mailman version and what are your Reply-To munging
> settings. In versions older than 2.1.18, I think you should still see
> the author's address in Reply-To: if first_strip_reply_to is No.
>> Would it be a reasonable feature request to add the author's name & email address as a X-Header? Some of us not only read the headers on a regular basis, but we even configure our MUA to display certain message Headers. (My favorites are Reply-To, X-Mailer, and User-Agent). 
> I don't think it's necessary. If the author's address isn't in
> Reply-To:, it should be, and the absence is a bug. Is that not sufficient?
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
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