[Mailman-Users] What would your dream Mailman web interface look like?
dandrews at visi.com
Wed Apr 8 04:39:27 CEST 2015
At 07:26 PM 4/7/2015, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>David Andrews writes:
> > A reminder that any web UI, whether end user, or
> > administrator, needs to be accessible to disabled
> > persons -- preferably it will use the WCAG 2.0 AA standards.
>We do use industrial-strength web frameworks, mostly Django. To the
>extent they support the "string-of-letters-and-digits standard", we
>disabled, several of us are definitely in favor and know how to do it.
>If that's not good enough, "detailed advice, and better yet designs
>and patches, welcome!" Sorry, but that's the reality in a volunteer
>I'm willing to do it for money (hourly rate negotiable) :-), but the
>LOC per hour would be ruinously low because I am not a spectacularly
>fast programmer to start with and know nothing about the standard
>mentioned. Other project members tend to be faster, with less spare
>time, and quite likely about the same amount of knowledge of the
>relevant standards (standards that don't start with "RFC" are
>generally not on our required reading lists).
>Please keep the details coming. We care, we just don't have the
>cycles to do it ourselves without help.
I know what you say is true. Nevertheless, it makes me sad. Twenty
percent of the population has some sort of disability, yet
accessibility just isn't taught in computer science courses.
The Federal government is supposed to buy accessible technology --
and many states, in the U.S. like mine Minnesota, also have laws
requiring us to procure accessible technology and web sites. The
Justice Department has already said that the web is a place of public
accommodation, and the ADA applies. It is only a matter of time
before they issue specific regulations. So, in the near future,
anyone producing publicly facing web sites will need to do this!
Using a current, "industrial-strength framework" is not a guarantee
of accessibility, and passing the buck to them will ultimately not
increase accessibility, this is no longer the case.
By the way, the web UI for Mailman 2.X is very accessible -- at least
for blind persons.
If anyone has an actual site I can get to, I will take a look. I am
not a professional accessibility tester, just a skilled amateur who
also runs a bunch of Mailman lists, as a 2nd job
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