[Mailman-Users] need assistance upgrading Mailman

Nina Nicholson nnicholson at dioceseofnewark.org
Mon Aug 24 18:51:19 CEST 2015

Thanks all for your quick replies.

Duly noted: Mailman lists are not Listservs. Also, not all tissues are Kleenex and not all adhesive tape is Scotch Tape -- but these copyrighted names all tend to get used as generic terms. :)

I have a dedicated virtual server with a shell login account and am allowed to update it. Unfortunately, my Unix skills are minimal and not up to attempting this on my own. I have managed other installations on my server when being walked through it, remotely, by an experienced person.

I looked at pricing for http://www.emwd.com, and at $4.50 per month per list, with 70+ lists, this would cost us in excess of $3780/year. We're a religious organization with the budget to match -- before I can get Diocesan Council to approve that type of budget increase for something we've had for free up until now, I first have to convince them I've exhausted every other option for fixing our current lists -- which means at least trying the update to see if that helps.

I'll look at the list of Mailman hosts to see if I can find something more affordable -- I would certainly love to outsource this task if I could -- but I'm still hoping to connect with someone who can assist me with the upgrade.

Many thanks,

Nina Nicholson
Director of Communications & Technology
The Episcopal Diocese of Newark

-----Original Message-----
From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+nnicholson=dioceseofnewark.org at python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 9:02 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] need assistance upgrading Mailman

On 08/23/2015 04:45 PM, Nina Nicholson wrote:
> I manage 70+ Mailman listservs for the Episcopal Diocese of Newark, and we are having terrible problems with emails not being delivered because they fail DMARC Evaluation, to the point that it's disrupting communications in the diocese.

Please see <http://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20is%20not%20Listserv>

> Our listservs are hosted by MediaTemple which provides Mailman ver. 2.1.9. I understand that if I were to upgrade to the latest version there are new features that would solve this problem. I've found the upgrade instructions (http://wiki.list.org/DOC/4.80%20How%20do%20I%20upgrade%20from%20Mailman%202.1.x%20to%20a%20later%20Mailman%202.1.y%3F) but they are beyond my limited Unix skills. MediaTemple refuses to do the upgrade.

Do you have a VPS with Mailman installed or are you on a shared host? If the latter, it is unlikely that you have the access necessary to upgrade Mailman on the host and it is unlikely that MediaTemple would be happy with your doing it even if you could.

You may wish to see
<http://wiki.list.org/COM/Mailman%20hosting%20services>. I have no information on most of these, but based on interactions with the proprietor of EMWD and dotList, I can recommend them. This should not be construed as a negative review of anyone else on that list. It's just that I have no basis to evaluate most of them.

You may also find
<http://wiki.list.org/COM/Mailman%20consulting%20services> of interest.
Particularly the link to the Python jobs board.

Finally, you may wish to try one of the suggestions at <http://wiki.list.org/x/17891458> as an interim stopgap measure.

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San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
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