From mark at msapiro.net Tue Sep 1 03:12:40 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 18:12:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: importing archived Maildir email lists into Mailman lists archives In-Reply-To: References: <55E265E9.3040305@msapiro.net> Message-ID: <55E4FB88.7080408@msapiro.net> On 08/31/2015 05:58 AM, [IDIS Technical Secretariat] Ricardo Rodr?guez wrote: > > This has been more or less my entry point to this issue. Perhaps I've > not been able to explain the issue correctly or I'm missing something. > What I'm looking to move into mbox is a set of archives of Maildir > mailing lists. Why do you refer to these archives as being of Maildir mailing lists? What is the actual software that created them. > Those archives don't contain new, cur and tmp folders all > the scripts I've spotted at looked for. This is the structure of each > archived email list folder I have here... > > Ricardo-Rodriguezs-Mac-Pro:r.users rrodriguez$ ls > Log bounce digissue headerremove lock mod outlocal remote > allow bouncer dignum indexed lockbounce modsub owner subscribers > archive config editor inlocal mailinglist num prefix text > archived digest headeradd key manager outhost public tstdig > > > Within /archive, there are two folders, 0 and 1, with a number of files, > each of them containing one message, and an index file. This looks vaguely like Maildir, except Maildir has no index file. What is in the index file(s)? What is the difference between 0 and 1? Do they each contain some complete (including all headers) messages, i.e. each contains a set of messages that combined are all the messages, or does one of them contain message headers and the other bodies, or does one contain messages and the other contain metadata about the messages? > Please, does this made sense for you? Am I completely lost? How could I > deal with this "archives" to move them to mbox files and get them > imported our brand new Mailman server? You just need to add a *nix From_ separator to the beginning of each complete message and concatenate them. If you can show me what's actually in some of those files, I could possibly create a conversion script for you. It could be as simple as something like cat archives/0/* archives/1/* > mbox except for the index files, but probably not. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From stephen at xemacs.org Tue Sep 1 03:19:47 2015 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2015 10:19:47 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] importing archived Maildir email lists into Mailman lists archives In-Reply-To: References: <55E265E9.3040305@msapiro.net> Message-ID: <87oahn3pho.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> [IDIS Technical Secretariat] Ricardo Rodr?guez writes: > Thanks Mark, all, > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 4:09 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > On 08/28/2015 12:52 AM, [IDIS Technical Secretariat] Ricardo Rodr?guez > > wrote: > > > > > > I have a number of Maildir format mailing lists archives No, you don't have Maildir, at least not "Maildir" as most of the Internet understands it. Here's what Dan Bernstein (the inventor or at least popularizer of Maildir) says: Can a maildir contain more than tmp, new, cur? Yes: .qmail: used to do direct deliveries with qmail-local. bulletintime: empty file, used by system-wide bulletin programs. bulletinlock: empty file, used by system-wide bulletin programs. seriallock: empty file, used to serialize AutoTURN. > Ricardo-Rodriguezs-Mac-Pro:r.users rrodriguez$ ls > Log bounce digissue headerremove lock mod outlocal remote "Lock" -- no, this isn't Maildir. The whole point of Maildir is that you don't need locks because reading and writing are done in different directories, and changes happen atomically. (This can even work with editing.) > allow bouncer dignum indexed lockbounce modsub owner subscribers > archive config editor inlocal mailinglist num prefix text > archived digest headeradd key manager outhost public tstdig > > Within /archive, there are two folders, 0 and 1, with a number of files, > each of them containing one message, and an index file. > > Please, does this made sense for you? I don't recall anything like that. Please try to find an explanation of the structure in the system documentation, or ask the vendor. However, since you think they're "Maildir", probably what is meant is that they have a structure that is one message per file rather than many messages per file. You probably just need to figure out how to get the order of messages right, then concatenate the messages. Most likely, all you need for each list are the archive folders and the single messages, and maybe the index file will be of some use depending on what it contains. If your documentation and/or the old vendor are of no help, see if you can find a whole message file you can send to us *as a file attachment* -- we want to see what headers are included (it probably doesn't really matter, though, except for the "Unix From_" which they probably don't have). If for privacy reasons you don't want to broadcast any message on a public mailing list, you can send it to Mark and me personally. Also it may be helpful to figure out the rule for the folders whose names are numbers: are they the leading digits where files are named 000 to 999? Are they months? Years? etc. > Am I completely lost? No, of course not. Just don't delete anything until you're sure the new system is working. I did qualify everything with "probably", it may take a couple of guesses to get it right. :-) From waldbiec at lafayette.edu Tue Sep 1 15:33:04 2015 From: waldbiec at lafayette.edu (Waldbieser, Carl) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 09:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pluggable authentication for Mailman web interface? In-Reply-To: References: <854480980.1021293.1440619708372.JavaMail.zimbra@lafayette.edu> Message-ID: <433539833.747495.1441114384963.JavaMail.zimbra@lafayette.edu> I know that currently, mailman roles are set up such that the roles themselves have a shared password per role. I want to be able to move away from that model and have roles assigned to individual user accounts that would allow access to the admin interfaces for individual lists. For example, say we have mail lists "Campus" and "Board of Trustees". I might have roles "campus_moderators", "campus_admins", "boardoftrustees_moderators", and "boardoftrustees_admins". If I assign the role campus_admins to user "johnsmith", I would like this user to be able to access the mailman admin interface for the "Campus" list using his own credentials. Ideally, "johnsmith" would not have to present his primary credentials to the mailman interface because our institution has a web single sign-on infrastructure (Web SSO). I can take this conversation to mailman-developers if that is the more appropriate forum. Thanks, Carl Waldbieser ITS Systems Programmer Lafayette College ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Stuart" To: "waldbiec" Cc: "Mailman-Users" Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 5:08:11 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Pluggable authentication for Mailman web interface? Can you say more about what you are trying to achieve? There is an authenticating reverse proxy server for the Mailman REST API at https://gitlab.com/astuart/mailmania But I don?t think anyone has run it yet - it?s pretty raw, not much more than alpha but fully functional. I?m sorry but I?ve been dragged to other priorities so there?s no real documentation but I?m happy to answer any questions if you want to give it a try. This thread really should like on Mailman Developers though. as On 27 Aug 2015, at 6:08 am, Waldbieser, Carl wrote: Are there any guidelines for adding authentication and /or authorization mechanisms to the Mailman web user interface? Specifically, I was wondering if there is any kind of guidance for authenticating the user via an HTTP header (e.g. HTTP_REMOTE_USER) so that an authenticating reverse proxy could be placed in front of the Mailman web interface. If there is no such built-in mechanism or pluggable mechanism, is there any kind of guidance on how the existing authentication mechanism might be replaced from a technical standpoint? Thanks, Carl Waldbieser ITS Systems Programmer Lafayette College ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/andrew.stuart%40supercoders.com.au From dmagda at ee.ryerson.ca Tue Sep 1 13:22:58 2015 From: dmagda at ee.ryerson.ca (David Magda) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 07:22:58 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeDecodeError with Mailman 2.1 and Python 2.6 Message-ID: <7915CC9E-0B0F-41D4-9B79-7FCEBE2107B8@ee.ryerson.ca> [Not sure if my first attempt made it out.] Hello, We recently upgrade from Debian 5 to 6, and are now having issues with Mailman. Messages are still flowing properly, but the web archives are not being generated since the upgrade. When I run 'bin/arch mylistname' I get the following: [...] figuring article archives 2005-October /usr/local/mailman-2.1.20/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py:176: UnicodeWarning: Unicode equal comparison failed to convert both arguments to Unicode - interpreting them as being unequal self.dict = marshal.load(fp) /usr/local/mailman-2.1.20/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py:74: UnicodeWarning: Unicode equal comparison failed to convert both arguments to Unicode - interpreting them as being unequal self.sorted.sort() Updating index files for archive [2004-December] [...] Updating HTML for article 214 Pickling archive state into /usr/local/mailman-2.1.20/archives/private/mylistname/pipermail.pck Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/arch", line 201, in main() File "bin/arch", line 189, in main archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, start, end) File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.20/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 586, in processUnixMailbox self.add_article(a) File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.20/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 638, in add_article article.parentID = parentID = self.get_parent_info(arch, article) File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.20/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 658, in get_parent_info if self.database.hasArticle(archive, article.in_reply_to): File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.20/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 279, in hasArticle self.__openIndices(archive) File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.20/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 257, in __openIndices t = DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive + '-' + i)) File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.20/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 66, in __init__ self.load() File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.20/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 185, in load self.__sort(dirty=1) File "/usr/local/mailman-2.1.20/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 74, in __sort self.sorted.sort() UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xea in position 3: ordinal not in range(128) We're running 2.1.13, but as you can see, the problem persists even with the latest release. We're using the stock Debian Python (2.6.6), but Mailman for tarballs. Thanks for any info. Regards, David From nestor.praslin at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 04:27:07 2015 From: nestor.praslin at gmail.com (Nestor Praslin) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 21:27:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi dear, how are you doing, I have a question?can anybody help me install mailman and make it run? I like to get in touch with you if so so that maybe ca help me installl it in my server because I have installed via webmin once but didn`t get it to run. -- Nestor Praslin International sihay.com USA 239 603 7693 PMA 507 399 4843 From nestor.praslin at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 04:35:33 2015 From: nestor.praslin at gmail.com (Nestor Praslin) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 21:35:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi dear mailman user is there any step by step video in youtube maybe with the requirements and the installation process? On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Nestor Praslin wrote: > Hi dear, how are you doing, I have a question?can anybody help me install > mailman and make it run? I like to get in touch with you if so so that > maybe ca help me installl it in my server because I have installed via > webmin once but didn`t get it to run. > > -- > Nestor Praslin > International sihay.com > USA 239 603 7693 > PMA 507 399 4843 > > > > > -- Nestor Praslin International sihay.com USA 239 603 7693 PMA 507 399 4843 From lac at openend.se Tue Sep 1 16:08:31 2015 From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2015 16:08:31 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Thanks! Please, read below... On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > [IDIS Technical Secretariat] Ricardo Rodr?guez wrote: > > [...] > > >Thanks! It worked like a charm for at least two of our old mailing lists! > Script, ezmlm structure and mbox output keeps stored at... > > > >http://datasource.idisantiago.es > > > >... for easier reference. > > > >Now, I only have to import that mbox contents into the actual list. I > guess this is the right path... > > > >5.1. How do I import an archive into a new mailing list? > > > http://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20import%20an%20archive%20into%20a%20new%20mailing%20list%3F > > Yup, this is similar to what I did. I recommend running cleanarch on that > mbox before importing it, to ensure that it is ok. I took the second > option in that FAQ, as it was a new list. Copy the Mbox file into the > private directory after running it through cleanarch, then run the arch > command to generate the HTML archives for the web interface. > > Andrew. Before going ahead, there is one thing I'm curious about as I don't understand it. Please, why does the path to the mbox file include .mbox twice? Here... http://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20import%20an%20archive%20into%20a%20new%20mailing%20list%3F It reads... archives/private/.mbox/.mbox Thanks! Ricardo -- Ricardo Rodr?guez Research Management and Promotion Technician Technical Secretariat Health Research Institute of Santiago de Compostela (IDIS) http://www.idisantiago.es From lac at openend.se Wed Sep 2 14:10:23 2015 From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2015 14:10:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wonderful gmail (was: at Slayter 7pm TOMORROW Wed., FREE Beginner lesson, Live Band) In-Reply-To: <20150902101543.GN9573@hendricks.amyl.org.uk> References: <20150902101543.GN9573@hendricks.amyl.org.uk> Message-ID: <201509021210.t82CANab005089@fido.openend.se> In a message of Wed, 02 Sep 2015 11:15:43 +0100, Adam McGreggor writes: >Is it a case of that wonderful gmail feature: > > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6588 Gmail doesn't give android users the ability to send plain text emails. The desktop users are supposed to be able to, but it does not work properly. As happened recently to me, let us say you are a brand new would-be python programmer who has a posted some complicated code to the list, complaining that it 'doesn't work' (give the correct answer). I read the thing and notice that you are removing elements from the list you are iterating over, and reply. Simplified, you have this problem: >>> mylist = [1, 2, 3, 4] >>> for i in mylist: ... mylist.pop() >>> print mylist [1, 2] You need to make a copy of your list and iteratre over that. >>> import copy >>> mylist = [1, 2, 3, 4] >>> mylistcopy = copy.copy(mylist) >>> for i in mylistcopy: ... mylist.pop() >>> print mylist [] Note the series of lines beginning with '>>>' Despite the fact that I sent the mail in plain text, and the gmail user is also sending mail in plain text, _Gmail reserves the right to reflow all the lines you are quoting which begin with some number of '>'._ The conversation immediately goes to utter confusion, as people can no longer paste in 'exactly what happened when I tried this at the console' any more. (Well, you can. Only flush to the margin matters, so my PS1 prompt is now ' >>>'. But all the python users on this planet should not have to change their PS1 prompts because Google just cannot leave 'plain text' alone. But we may be at 'friends don't let friends use gmail' time, if not right now, then fairly soon. Exactly how many things can you do to break mail, Google? Laura From rsk at gsp.org Wed Sep 2 14:25:49 2015 From: rsk at gsp.org (Rich Kulawiec) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 08:25:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wonderful gmail (was: at Slayter 7pm TOMORROW Wed., FREE Beginner lesson, Live Band) In-Reply-To: <201509021210.t82CANab005089@fido.openend.se> References: <20150902101543.GN9573@hendricks.amyl.org.uk> <201509021210.t82CANab005089@fido.openend.se> Message-ID: <20150902122549.GA29109@gsp.org> On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 02:10:23PM +0200, Laura Creighton wrote: > But we may be at 'friends don't let friends use gmail' time, if > not right now, then fairly soon. Exactly how many things can you > do to break mail, Google? I (a) strongly concur with this and (b) will add that this sentiment also applies to MSN/Hotmail, Yahoo, and, sadly [1], AOL. ---rsk [1] Why "sadly"? Because some years ago Carl Hutzler and his team managed to fight an uphill battle against AOL management apathy and cluelessness, and made significant progress toward the goal of making AOL's mail service a quality operation. AOL welcomed this success by dismissing the entire team and the slide back into incompetence and negligence began almost immediately. Not that I agreed with everything Carl et.al. did, because I didn't; but I recognized that they had good intentions and they worked hard. To see all that effort discarded is appalling. From jason at fayre.me Wed Sep 2 15:22:49 2015 From: jason at fayre.me (Jason Fayre) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 09:22:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman In-Reply-To: <55E69F4F.6050306@msapiro.net> References: <000d01d0e4ec$f28dabd0$d7a90370$@fayre.me> <55E69F4F.6050306@msapiro.net> Message-ID: <002201d0e582$76e431c0$64ac9540$@fayre.me> Hello, I do not get any rejects when applying the patch. I did pass the config file for the list to htsearch with the -c option. Any other ideas? How are people typically handling archive search? I know I could use mail-archive, but would rather handle things on our end if we can. Occasionally we need to remove messages from the archives and not sure how easy that is with mail-archive. -----Original Message----- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jason=fayre.me at python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 3:04 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman On 09/01/2015 12:32 PM, Jason Fayre wrote: > Hello, > I'm attempting to get Mailman 2.1.20 working with htdig. > I've installed the htdig patch for this version of Mailman from Mark's site. I'd be surprised if this doesn't have conflicts with cPanel's mods. What happened when you ran patch? were there any rejects? > When I run a search from the archive pages, I get a blank page. > I've seen others asking this, but have never seen a solution. > I think I may have had this working a few years ago, but don't > remember what I did to fix it. It broke when cpanel updated mailman. Not surprising. cPanel's mailman has many patches of its own, mostly because of the list name = name_domain feature to allow lists of the same 'name' in different domains. > When I try running the mmsearch script by itself, I get the following > error, which is expected as I under stand it: > htdig Archives Access Failure > CGI problem. -5-Field count -4- fields: Yes, this is expected. You could try going to a URL like > If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go > via the list users information page. > > If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information > to the > mailman at nfbnet.org: > Referer not known > /mailman/mmsearch/blparent_nfbnet.org The above is not familiar to me. It may be a cPanel thing. > Running the htsearch command by itself doesn't yield any results with > a keyword and the short format. Do you specify the -c option with an appropriate config file? > The version of htdig is 3.2.0b6. I noticed that there are patched > versions of rundig and the nightly scripts on the patch site, but > don't know if that applies to newer patches or not. Those patches allow the nightly update to do an update rather than a complete rebuild of the htdig search index. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jason%40fayre.me From dmagda at ee.ryerson.ca Wed Sep 2 16:31:04 2015 From: dmagda at ee.ryerson.ca (David Magda) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 10:31:04 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeDecodeError with Mailman 2.1 and Python 2.6 In-Reply-To: <55E66250.6030207@msapiro.net> References: <7915CC9E-0B0F-41D4-9B79-7FCEBE2107B8@ee.ryerson.ca> <87egii3yl6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <74744c9fe512b6fd6c6d88f0893e101b.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <55E5E605.50208@msapiro.net> <97793451d21a7677057597440f6aa5bf.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <55E64D91.8060707@msapiro.net> <55E66250.6030207@msapiro.net> Message-ID: <07b60f749fdc5b6102e8e9336fd60b04.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> On Tue, September 1, 2015 22:43, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 09/01/2015 06:55 PM, David Magda wrote: >> >> The message in question seems to be from October 2005, and it has the >> "Subject: Voc? [ ]? header. Running under Debian 5 (Python 2.5), archive >> processing wasn?t an issue: messages were coming into the mbox and the >> HTML page was being generated until August 25. I then did the upgrade on >> that day. >> >> The mbox then no longer has messages until September 1, the day when I >> did ?arch ?wipe?, even though the mail.log shows messages coming in (and >> going out AFAICT). > > > So what has probably happened is that archiving has been broken since > the upgrade on Aug 25. There should be a an error message with traceback > in Mailman's 'error' log for each message that wasn't archived. More > importantly, the unarchived messages should all be in Mailman's 'shunt' > queue and running Mailman's bin/unshunt should process them for the > archive. The last error message that is in the 'error' log is from Aug 24: mailman at mail1:~$ ls -lrth logs/ total 16M -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1.2K Mar 2 2014 fromusenet -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 63K Mar 18 09:57 locks -rw-rw-r-- 1 www-data mailman 3.1K Mar 31 18:04 mischief -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 808K Aug 24 08:00 smtp-failure -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 354K Aug 24 08:14 bounce -rw-rw-r-- 1 www-data mailman 1.1M Aug 24 13:14 error -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 584K Aug 31 10:45 qrunner -rw-rw-r-- 1 www-data mailman 1.6M Sep 1 12:09 vette -rw-rw-r-- 1 www-data mailman 278K Sep 2 09:03 subscribe -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 3.8M Sep 2 09:48 smtp -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 2.7M Sep 2 09:48 post >> So would there be anything besides a ??wipe? that could otherwise be >> done to prevent this archive breakage? Attempt a ?cleanarch" first? >> Seems strange that a message from 2005 could stop archive processing for >> current years/months. > > Presumably, you did some kind of bin/arch process on Aug 25. The answer > is don't do that. Or if you didn't do that, then the answer may lie in > whatever changed in Python. Not that I'm aware of, unless the Debian package runs it in some way pre-/post-upgrade. I didn't start looking at bin/arch until I noticed the breakage. > You should never be running bin/arch without --wipe unless you are > importing archives from elsewhere to be added to an existing archive, > and even in that case, it might be preferable to stop Mailman, > concatenate the existing Mailman mbox and import mbox into a combined > mbox and run 'bin/arch --wipe'. Then after success, start Mailman again. > > You should also consider running the contrib/mmdsr script from the > Mailman source distro or if not that, somehow looking a Mailman's error > log frequently for problems to discover them sooner. We have a few more hosts to upgrade, so I'll have to look more closely at this. However some of these hosts have quite a few lists, so I'm not sure how practical it will be examine every one to see if they're working properly. From mark at msapiro.net Wed Sep 2 17:16:56 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 08:16:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] importing archived Maildir email lists into Mailman lists archives In-Reply-To: References: <55E265E9.3040305@msapiro.net> <55E4FB88.7080408@msapiro.net>

Message-ID: <55E712E8.2090105@msapiro.net> On 09/02/2015 04:30 AM, [IDIS Technical Secretariat] Ricardo Rodr?guez wrote: > > Before going ahead, there is one thing I'm curious about as I don't > understand it. Please, why does the path to the mbox file > include .mbox twice? Here... > > http://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20import%20an%20archive%20into%20a%20new%20mailing%20list%3F > > It reads... > > archives/private/.mbox/.mbox That's just the way Mailman does it. archives/private/ contains two directories per list. The archives/private// directory contains the full pipermail archive (various files and directories) and The archives/private/.mbox/ directory contains the cumulative archive mbox file also named .mbox. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From andrew at hodgsonfamily.org Wed Sep 2 13:57:14 2015 From: andrew at hodgsonfamily.org (Andrew Hodgson) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 11:57:14 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: importing archived Maildir email lists into Mailman lists archives In-Reply-To: References: <55E265E9.3040305@msapiro.net> <55E4FB88.7080408@msapiro.net>

, Message-ID: [IDIS Technical Secretariat] Ricardo Rodr?guez wrote: > >Before going ahead, there is one thing I'm curious about as I don't understand it. Please, why does the path to the mbox file include .mbox twice? Here... > >http://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20import%20an%20archive%20into%20a%20new%20mailing%20list%3F > >It reads... > >archives/private/.mbox/.mbox Yup, the file needs to be called listname.mbox in the directory ~/archives/private/listname.mbox. So for example, to copy the mailman-users archive into your home directory, assuming Mailman was installed in the default location, you would enter a command like: cp /usr/local/mailman/private/mailman-users.mbox/mailman-users.mbox ~ That would give you a file called mailman-users.mbox in your home directory with all the archives in mbox format. If your list is new then after running cleanarch on that mbox file, I would copy it to ~archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox, ensure perms are correct by running check_perms, then run arch with the wipe parameter to build all the HTML indexes for the web pages. If you have a list already, I would stop Mailman, then cat the mbox file in place at the location ~archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox to a copy of your converted archives. I would then run cleanarch on the resulting file, then put that in place in ~archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox before checking perms and running arch with the wipe parameter. Hope this clears things up for you. Andrew. From mark at msapiro.net Wed Sep 2 17:46:07 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 08:46:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman In-Reply-To: <002201d0e582$76e431c0$64ac9540$@fayre.me> References: <000d01d0e4ec$f28dabd0$d7a90370$@fayre.me> <55E69F4F.6050306@msapiro.net> <002201d0e582$76e431c0$64ac9540$@fayre.me> Message-ID: <55E719BF.6040708@msapiro.net> On 09/02/2015 06:22 AM, Jason Fayre wrote: > Hello, > I do not get any rejects when applying the patch. > I did pass the config file for the list to htsearch with the -c option. > Any other ideas? The attached htsearch.txt is a transcript of an htsearch interaction on my system. If you do the same do you get similar output? If not, your htdig installation is broken. > How are people typically handling archive search? I know I could use > mail-archive, but would rather handle things on our end if we can. I use htdig with Richard Barrett's patches as forward ported by me. Other suggestions are in the FAQ at . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -------------- next part -------------- mark at sbh16:~$ /opt/www/cgi-bin/htsearch -c /var/lib/mailman/archives/htdig/mailman.conf Enter value for words: two words Content-type: text/html Enter value for format: short No match for '(two or twos) and (words or word or worded or wording or wordings)'

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ht://Dig 3.2.0b6 mark at sbh16:~$ From jason at fayre.me Wed Sep 2 17:54:30 2015 From: jason at fayre.me (Jason Fayre) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 11:54:30 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman In-Reply-To: <55E719BF.6040708@msapiro.net> References: <000d01d0e4ec$f28dabd0$d7a90370$@fayre.me> <55E69F4F.6050306@msapiro.net> <002201d0e582$76e431c0$64ac9540$@fayre.me> <55E719BF.6040708@msapiro.net> Message-ID: <002a01d0e597$a76a7a60$f63f6f20$@fayre.me> Ok, I will try that. What version of htdig are you running? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 11:46 AM To: Jason Fayre ; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman On 09/02/2015 06:22 AM, Jason Fayre wrote: > Hello, > I do not get any rejects when applying the patch. > I did pass the config file for the list to htsearch with the -c option. > Any other ideas? The attached htsearch.txt is a transcript of an htsearch interaction on my system. If you do the same do you get similar output? If not, your htdig installation is broken. > How are people typically handling archive search? I know I could use > mail-archive, but would rather handle things on our end if we can. I use htdig with Richard Barrett's patches as forward ported by me. Other suggestions are in the FAQ at . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Wed Sep 2 18:30:30 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 09:30:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman In-Reply-To: <002a01d0e597$a76a7a60$f63f6f20$@fayre.me> References: <000d01d0e4ec$f28dabd0$d7a90370$@fayre.me> <55E69F4F.6050306@msapiro.net> <002201d0e582$76e431c0$64ac9540$@fayre.me> <55E719BF.6040708@msapiro.net> <002a01d0e597$a76a7a60$f63f6f20$@fayre.me> Message-ID: <55E72426.8030101@msapiro.net> On 09/02/2015 08:54 AM, Jason Fayre wrote: > Ok, I will try that. > What version of htdig are you running? 3.2.0b6 with the rundig.0 patch from and with this patch the source of which I no longer remember and can't find. RCS file: /cvsroot/htdig/htdig/htsearch/Collection.h,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -r1.4 Collection.h 39c39 < void Collection::Open(); --- > void Open(); 41c41 < void Collection::Close(); --- > void Close(); Also, in an earlier reply I wrote: >> If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go via the >> list users information page. >> >> If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information to the >> mailman at nfbnet.org: >> Referer not known >> /mailman/mmsearch/blparent_nfbnet.org > > > The above is not familiar to me. It may be a cPanel thing. Actually, that is also part of the normal expected output from running mmsearch with no parameters. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From ben.copeland at linaro.org Wed Sep 2 15:43:13 2015 From: ben.copeland at linaro.org (Benjamin Copeland) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 14:43:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] high amount of spam subscriptions Message-ID: Hello all, I have a issue where I am getting a high amount of subscriptions on mailman using the web form. I found that a option had been added to mailman (SUBSCRIBE_FORM_SECRET). I have added this to my configuration but am still getting large amount of spam subscriptions. The addresses all tend to be in similar format, user+alias at gmail.com (e.g. knuckles9048+51770730 at gmail.com). For experiment, I blocked email subscriptions to a mailing, to see if the requests are coming from mail or web form. knuckles9048+51770730 at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 14:14:50 2015 knuckles9048+14145395 at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 23:06:45 2015 Also 2 for another list (different users). So, now we know that web form is the attack vector. What can I do to get this under control? I am running postfix + spamd. Thanks! Ben From lac at openend.se Wed Sep 2 18:46:31 2015 From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2015 18:46:31 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] high amount of spam subscriptions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201509021646.t82GkV8A009982@fido.openend.se> deepest sympathies. Poor you. Welcome to the club. We've been seeing this recently too. See the thread beginning here: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2015-August/079627.html The damn things seem to be adapting, which isn't good. Laura From mark at msapiro.net Wed Sep 2 19:04:04 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 10:04:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] high amount of spam subscriptions In-Reply-To: <201509021646.t82GkV8A009982@fido.openend.se> References: <201509021646.t82GkV8A009982@fido.openend.se> Message-ID: <55E72C04.1070200@msapiro.net> On 09/02/2015 09:46 AM, Laura Creighton wrote: > deepest sympathies. Poor you. Welcome to the club. We've been seeing > this recently too. See the thread beginning here: > https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2015-August/079627.html > Also see the thread including . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jason at fayre.me Wed Sep 2 20:13:18 2015 From: jason at fayre.me (Jason Fayre) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 14:13:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman In-Reply-To: <55E72426.8030101@msapiro.net> References: <000d01d0e4ec$f28dabd0$d7a90370$@fayre.me> <55E69F4F.6050306@msapiro.net> <002201d0e582$76e431c0$64ac9540$@fayre.me> <55E719BF.6040708@msapiro.net> <002a01d0e597$a76a7a60$f63f6f20$@fayre.me> <55E72426.8030101@msapiro.net> Message-ID: <003501d0e5ab$0bd1ede0$2375c9a0$@fayre.me> Absolutely unbelievable! I got results to come up by simlinking /var/www/html/htdig to /usr/share/htdig. Apparently this path is hard-coded in the binaries. I installed htdig from the Centos 6.7 packages. It wouldn't compile from source for some reason. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 12:31 PM To: Jason Fayre ; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman On 09/02/2015 08:54 AM, Jason Fayre wrote: > Ok, I will try that. > What version of htdig are you running? 3.2.0b6 with the rundig.0 patch from and with this patch the source of which I no longer remember and can't find. RCS file: /cvsroot/htdig/htdig/htsearch/Collection.h,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -r1.4 Collection.h 39c39 < void Collection::Open(); --- > void Open(); 41c41 < void Collection::Close(); --- > void Close(); Also, in an earlier reply I wrote: >> If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go >> via the list users information page. >> >> If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information >> to the mailman at nfbnet.org: >> Referer not known >> /mailman/mmsearch/blparent_nfbnet.org > > > The above is not familiar to me. It may be a cPanel thing. Actually, that is also part of the normal expected output from running mmsearch with no parameters. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jason at fayre.me Wed Sep 2 21:02:45 2015 From: jason at fayre.me (Jason Fayre) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 15:02:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman In-Reply-To: <55E72426.8030101@msapiro.net> References: <000d01d0e4ec$f28dabd0$d7a90370$@fayre.me> <55E69F4F.6050306@msapiro.net> <002201d0e582$76e431c0$64ac9540$@fayre.me> <55E719BF.6040708@msapiro.net> <002a01d0e597$a76a7a60$f63f6f20$@fayre.me> <55E72426.8030101@msapiro.net> Message-ID: <003b01d0e5b1$f40ae070$dc20a150$@fayre.me> Hi, Almost got it. Since some of our lists are very large and the archives go back almost 7 years, generating the indexes can take a very long time. To be able to update the indexes, do I need both the rundig and nightly_htdig patches from msapiro.net/mm? The rundig patch failed when I tried to patch the rundig from 3.2.0b6. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 12:31 PM To: Jason Fayre ; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman On 09/02/2015 08:54 AM, Jason Fayre wrote: > Ok, I will try that. > What version of htdig are you running? 3.2.0b6 with the rundig.0 patch from and with this patch the source of which I no longer remember and can't find. RCS file: /cvsroot/htdig/htdig/htsearch/Collection.h,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -r1.4 Collection.h 39c39 < void Collection::Open(); --- > void Open(); 41c41 < void Collection::Close(); --- > void Close(); Also, in an earlier reply I wrote: >> If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go >> via the list users information page. >> >> If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information >> to the mailman at nfbnet.org: >> Referer not known >> /mailman/mmsearch/blparent_nfbnet.org > > > The above is not familiar to me. It may be a cPanel thing. Actually, that is also part of the normal expected output from running mmsearch with no parameters. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From ricardo.rodriguez at idisantiago.es Wed Sep 2 21:27:42 2015 From: ricardo.rodriguez at idisantiago.es (=?UTF-8?Q?=5BIDIS_Technical_Secretariat=5D_Ricardo_Rodr=C3=ADguez?=) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 21:27:42 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: importing archived Maildir email lists into Mailman lists archives In-Reply-To: References: <55E265E9.3040305@msapiro.net> <55E4FB88.7080408@msapiro.net>

Message-ID: Thanks Andrew and Mark! As a general rule of thumb, I usually avoid to reply to a message without reflecting for some hours on its content! Sorry for asking things with an obvious answer: I was using a sftp client to access /private and didn't realise that there is a folder, then a file, with the same name! listname.mbox. And thanks for the explanation! Please, read below... On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > [IDIS Technical Secretariat] Ricardo Rodr?guez wrote: > > > >Before going ahead, there is one thing I'm curious about as I don't > understand it. Please, why does the path to the mbox file include > .mbox twice? Here... > > > > > http://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20import%20an%20archive%20into%20a%20new%20mailing%20list%3F > > > >It reads... > > > >archives/private/.mbox/.mbox > > Yup, the file needs to be called listname.mbox in the directory > ~/archives/private/listname.mbox. So for example, to copy the > mailman-users archive into your home directory, assuming Mailman was > installed in the default location, you would enter a command like: > > cp /usr/local/mailman/private/mailman-users.mbox/mailman-users.mbox ~ > > That would give you a file called mailman-users.mbox in your home > directory with all the archives in mbox format. > > If your list is new then after running cleanarch on that mbox file, I > would copy it to ~archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox, ensure > perms are correct by running check_perms, then run arch with the wipe > parameter to build all the HTML indexes for the web pages. > If you have a list already, I would stop Mailman, then cat the mbox file > in place at the location ~archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox to a > copy of your converted archives. I would then run cleanarch on the > resulting file, then put that in place in > ~archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox before checking perms and > running arch with the wipe parameter. > > Hope this clears things up for you. > Andrew. It worked! Thank you very much! I've learnt a lot, about a lot of things! Together with a great programe I've discovered a great community. Who knows? Perhaps in the future I'll be able to contribute in any way :-) Here we have our first "complete" list by consolidating former ezmlm managed contents with our brand new Mailman list with the same name... http://lists.idisantiago.es/pipermail/r.users/ Still, I've a doubt about the syntax of Mailman commands. I do need to do... [root at idis2 r.users.mbox]# cleanarch r.users.all.clean.mbox While <> are not required in command arch... [root at idis2 r.users.mbox]# arch --wipe r.users r.users.mbox If I don't use <> to enclose the input file name in cleanarch, I get the help page! Usage of both commands as per their help pages are close to similar... Usage: cleanarch [options] < inputfile > outputfile Usage: /usr/lib/mailman/bin/arch [options] [] Also, arch alone shows its help page whereas cleanarch alone do "nothing". Those usage lines and command behaviour aren't to consistent, are they? Could this behaviour be caused by my local configuration? Thanks!!! Ricardo -- Ricardo Rodr?guez Research Management and Promotion Technician Technical Secretariat Health Research Institute of Santiago de Compostela (IDIS) http://www.idisantiago.es From mark at msapiro.net Wed Sep 2 22:13:52 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 13:13:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: importing archived Maildir email lists into Mailman lists archives In-Reply-To: References: <55E265E9.3040305@msapiro.net> <55E4FB88.7080408@msapiro.net>

Message-ID: <55E75880.7000807@msapiro.net> On 09/02/2015 12:27 PM, [IDIS Technical Secretariat] Ricardo Rodr?guez wrote: > > Still, I've a doubt about the syntax of Mailman commands. I do need to do... > > [root at idis2 r.users.mbox]# cleanarch r.users.all.clean.mbox > > > While <> are not required in command arch... > > > [root at idis2 r.users.mbox]# arch --wipe r.users r.users.mbox > > > If I don't use <> to enclose the input file name in cleanarch, I get the > help page! You are not 'enclosing' the input file name in cleanarch with <>. cleanarch reads the input mailbox from stdin and writes the output mbox to stdout. You are actually saying ' r.users.all.clean.mbox' which redirects stdout from the terminal to the file r.users.all.clean.mbox. Note that you didn't need to do this as the script already writes a 'clean' mbox. On the other hand if you give a second argument to bin/arch, it assumes that is the mbox. It doesn't read stdin in any case and writes various progress info to stdout. > Usage of both commands as per their help pages are close to similar... > > > Usage: cleanarch [options] < inputfile > outputfile This means use shell redirection to read the input from inputfile and write the output to outputfile. > Usage: /usr/lib/mailman/bin/arch [options] [] Here the notation means that is a variable to be replaced with the actual list name and [] means that is a variable to be replaced with the actual mbox, but the [] mean it's optional - if not provided it is computed as archives/private/.mbox/.mbox. > Also, arch alone shows its help page because arch without at least a argument is invalid > whereas cleanarch alone do > "nothing". Actually cleanarch alone is valid and both reads its input from and writes its output to the terminal. That's why if you type just 'cleanarch', it doesn't return immediately to a command prompt but waits for input from the terminal. Consider mark at msapiro:~$ /var/MM/21/bin/cleanarch - it's waiting for input- I type >From someone - it responds >From someone - to stdout, and Unix-From line changed: 1 >From someone - to stderr. then I type ^D (control-D - end of file) and it responds 0 messages found - and exits. > Those usage lines and command behaviour aren't to consistent, > are they? Could this behaviour be caused by my local configuration? No. They are caused by two different programs written by at least two different people. So yes, they aren't exactly consistent, but if you understand the different commands and the shell redirection, it may make more sense. True, cleanarch could have been written to require an input file argument instead of using stdin, but using stdin and stdout makes it easy to insert it into a pipeline of commands as in for example ezmlm2mbox [-d] ezmlm_dir | cleanarch | arch --wipe - except for the fact that arch doesn't read its stdin even if the conventional '-' is used as the mbox file name. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Wed Sep 2 22:23:26 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 13:23:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman In-Reply-To: <003b01d0e5b1$f40ae070$dc20a150$@fayre.me> References: <000d01d0e4ec$f28dabd0$d7a90370$@fayre.me> <55E69F4F.6050306@msapiro.net> <002201d0e582$76e431c0$64ac9540$@fayre.me> <55E719BF.6040708@msapiro.net> <002a01d0e597$a76a7a60$f63f6f20$@fayre.me> <55E72426.8030101@msapiro.net> <003b01d0e5b1$f40ae070$dc20a150$@fayre.me> Message-ID: <55E75ABE.60505@msapiro.net> On 09/02/2015 12:02 PM, Jason Fayre wrote: > Hi, > Almost got it. Since some of our lists are very large and the archives go > back almost 7 years, generating the indexes can take a very long time. > To be able to update the indexes, do I need both the rundig and > nightly_htdig patches from msapiro.net/mm? The rundig patch failed when I > tried to patch the rundig from 3.2.0b6. Yes, you need both. How did the rundig patch fail? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Wed Sep 2 22:33:34 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 13:33:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnicodeDecodeError with Mailman 2.1 and Python 2.6 In-Reply-To: <07b60f749fdc5b6102e8e9336fd60b04.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> References: <7915CC9E-0B0F-41D4-9B79-7FCEBE2107B8@ee.ryerson.ca> <87egii3yl6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <74744c9fe512b6fd6c6d88f0893e101b.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <55E5E605.50208@msapiro.net> <97793451d21a7677057597440f6aa5bf.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> <55E64D91.8060707@msapiro.net> <55E66250.6030207@msapiro.net> <07b60f749fdc5b6102e8e9336fd60b04.squirrel@webmail.ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <55E75D1E.5050509@msapiro.net> On 09/02/2015 07:31 AM, David Magda wrote: > On Tue, September 1, 2015 22:43, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> So what has probably happened is that archiving has been broken since >> the upgrade on Aug 25. There should be a an error message with traceback >> in Mailman's 'error' log for each message that wasn't archived. More >> importantly, the unarchived messages should all be in Mailman's 'shunt' >> queue and running Mailman's bin/unshunt should process them for the >> archive. > > The last error message that is in the 'error' log is from Aug 24: Hmmm... >> Presumably, you did some kind of bin/arch process on Aug 25. The answer >> is don't do that. Or if you didn't do that, then the answer may lie in >> whatever changed in Python. > > Not that I'm aware of, unless the Debian package runs it in some way > pre-/post-upgrade. I didn't start looking at bin/arch until I noticed the > breakage. No. The package wouldn't do that. It is difficult to understand why a list would stop archiving without throwing and logging exceptions. Even if ArchRunner were somehow not running, the messages would be queued in its queue and processed when it eventually started. >> You should also consider running the contrib/mmdsr script from the >> Mailman source distro or if not that, somehow looking a Mailman's error >> log frequently for problems to discover them sooner. > > We have a few more hosts to upgrade, so I'll have to look more closely at > this. However some of these hosts have quite a few lists, so I'm not sure > how practical it will be examine every one to see if they're working > properly. mmdsr (Mailman daily summary report) is a daily summary for the whole server run at midnight by cron. It won't directly tell you if messages are not being archived, but it will give you a listing of what's in Mailman's queues and various error log entries. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From ricardo.rodriguez at idisantiago.es Wed Sep 2 23:13:27 2015 From: ricardo.rodriguez at idisantiago.es (=?UTF-8?Q?=5BIDIS_Technical_Secretariat=5D_Ricardo_Rodr=C3=ADguez?=) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 23:13:27 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: importing archived Maildir email lists into Mailman lists archives In-Reply-To: <55E75880.7000807@msapiro.net> References: <55E265E9.3040305@msapiro.net> <55E4FB88.7080408@msapiro.net>

<55E75880.7000807@msapiro.net> Message-ID: It does make sense indeed! I do hope to be able to take into account all these details when posting my next question to this list. In the meantime, I keep learning! Thank you so much for your time! On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 09/02/2015 12:27 PM, [IDIS Technical Secretariat] Ricardo Rodr?guez > wrote: > > > > Still, I've a doubt about the syntax of Mailman commands. I do need to > do... > > > > [root at idis2 r.users.mbox]# cleanarch > r.users.all.clean.mbox > > > > > > While <> are not required in command arch... > > > > > > [root at idis2 r.users.mbox]# arch --wipe r.users r.users.mbox > > > > > > If I don't use <> to enclose the input file name in cleanarch, I get the > > help page! > > > You are not 'enclosing' the input file name in cleanarch with <>. > cleanarch reads the input mailbox from stdin and writes the output mbox > to stdout. You are actually saying ' stdin from the terminal to the file r.users.all.mbox and '> > r.users.all.clean.mbox' which redirects stdout from the terminal to the > file r.users.all.clean.mbox. > > Note that you didn't need to do this as the > script already writes a > 'clean' mbox. > > On the other hand if you give a second argument to bin/arch, it assumes > that is the mbox. It doesn't read stdin in any case and writes various > progress info to stdout. > > > > Usage of both commands as per their help pages are close to similar... > > > > > > Usage: cleanarch [options] < inputfile > outputfile > > > This means use shell redirection to read the input from inputfile and > write the output to outputfile. > > > > Usage: /usr/lib/mailman/bin/arch [options] [] > > Here the notation means that is a variable to be replaced > with the actual list name and [] means that is a variable > to be replaced with the actual mbox, but the [] mean it's optional - if > not provided it is computed as > archives/private/.mbox/.mbox. > > > > Also, arch alone shows its help page > > because arch without at least a argument is invalid > > > > whereas cleanarch alone do > > "nothing". > > Actually cleanarch alone is valid and both reads its input from and > writes its output to the terminal. That's why if you type just > 'cleanarch', it doesn't return immediately to a command prompt but waits > for input from the terminal. > > Consider > > mark at msapiro:~$ /var/MM/21/bin/cleanarch > - it's waiting for input- I type > From someone > - it responds > >From someone > - to stdout, and > Unix-From line changed: 1 > From someone > - to stderr. then I type ^D (control-D - end of file) and it responds > 0 messages found > - and exits. > > > Those usage lines and command behaviour aren't to consistent, > > are they? Could this behaviour be caused by my local configuration? > > > No. They are caused by two different programs written by at least two > different people. So yes, they aren't exactly consistent, but if you > understand the different commands and the shell redirection, it may make > more sense. > > True, cleanarch could have been written to require an input file > argument instead of using stdin, but using stdin and stdout makes it > easy to insert it into a pipeline of commands as in for example > > ezmlm2mbox [-d] ezmlm_dir | cleanarch | arch --wipe - > > except for the fact that arch doesn't read its stdin even if the > conventional '-' is used as the mbox file name. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > -- Ricardo Rodr?guez Research Management and Promotion Technician Technical Secretariat Health Research Institute of Santiago de Compostela (IDIS) http://www.idisantiago.es From jason at fayre.me Thu Sep 3 01:44:07 2015 From: jason at fayre.me (Jason Fayre) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 19:44:07 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman In-Reply-To: <55E75ABE.60505@msapiro.net> References: <000d01d0e4ec$f28dabd0$d7a90370$@fayre.me> <55E69F4F.6050306@msapiro.net> <002201d0e582$76e431c0$64ac9540$@fayre.me> <55E719BF.6040708@msapiro.net> <002a01d0e597$a76a7a60$f63f6f20$@fayre.me> <55E72426.8030101@msapiro.net> <003b01d0e5b1$f40ae070$dc20a150$@fayre.me> <55E75ABE.60505@msapiro.net> Message-ID: <55E789C7.9050603@fayre.me> Hi, Here is a script from when I ran the patch: Script started on Wed 02 Sep 2015 11:35:43 PM UTC root at host [/usr/bin]# patch < ~/rundig patching file rundig Hunk #1 succeeded at 16 with fuzz 2 (offset 1 line). Hunk #2 FAILED at 59. Hunk #3 succeeded at 78 (offset 4 lines). 1 out of 3 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file rundig.rej root at host [/usr/bin]# cat rundig.rej --- rundig 2008-12-26 15:55:25.000000000 -0800 +++ rundig 2008-12-26 17:41:43.000000000 -0800 @@ -59,7 +61,7 @@ TMPDIR=$DBDIR export TMPDIR -$BINDIR/htdig -i $opts $stats $alt +$BINDIR/htdig $init $opts $stats $alt $BINDIR/htpurge $opts $alt case "$alt" in -a) root at host [/usr/bin]# On 2015-09-02 4:23 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 09/02/2015 12:02 PM, Jason Fayre wrote: >> Hi, >> Almost got it. Since some of our lists are very large and the archives go >> back almost 7 years, generating the indexes can take a very long time. >> To be able to update the indexes, do I need both the rundig and >> nightly_htdig patches from msapiro.net/mm? The rundig patch failed when I >> tried to patch the rundig from 3.2.0b6. > > Yes, you need both. How did the rundig patch fail? > From mark at msapiro.net Thu Sep 3 02:02:18 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 17:02:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman In-Reply-To: <55E789C7.9050603@fayre.me> References: <000d01d0e4ec$f28dabd0$d7a90370$@fayre.me> <55E69F4F.6050306@msapiro.net> <002201d0e582$76e431c0$64ac9540$@fayre.me> <55E719BF.6040708@msapiro.net> <002a01d0e597$a76a7a60$f63f6f20$@fayre.me> <55E72426.8030101@msapiro.net> <003b01d0e5b1$f40ae070$dc20a150$@fayre.me> <55E75ABE.60505@msapiro.net> <55E789C7.9050603@fayre.me> Message-ID: <55E78E0A.7040407@msapiro.net> On 09/02/2015 04:44 PM, Jason Fayre wrote: > Hi, > Here is a script from when I ran the patch: > Script started on Wed 02 Sep 2015 11:35:43 PM UTC > root at host [/usr/bin]# patch < ~/rundig > patching file rundig > Hunk #1 succeeded at 16 with fuzz 2 (offset 1 line). > Hunk #2 FAILED at 59. > Hunk #3 succeeded at 78 (offset 4 lines). > 1 out of 3 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file rundig.rej > root at host [/usr/bin]# cat rundig.rej > --- rundig 2008-12-26 15:55:25.000000000 -0800 > +++ rundig 2008-12-26 17:41:43.000000000 -0800 > @@ -59,7 +61,7 @@ > TMPDIR=$DBDIR > export TMPDIR > > -$BINDIR/htdig -i $opts $stats $alt > +$BINDIR/htdig $init $opts $stats $alt > $BINDIR/htpurge $opts $alt > case "$alt" in > -a) > root at host [/usr/bin]# I don't understand this. My rundig is probably different from yours in that I applied the patch from before creating the rundig patch you are applying, but this should only result in a couple of line # offsets, not a failure of hunk 2 or fuzz in hunk 1. Send me a copy of your rundig off list and I'll look at it. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Thu Sep 3 02:33:33 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 17:33:33 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman In-Reply-To: <55E7947A.1070409@msapiro.net> References: <000d01d0e4ec$f28dabd0$d7a90370$@fayre.me> <55E69F4F.6050306@msapiro.net> <002201d0e582$76e431c0$64ac9540$@fayre.me> <55E719BF.6040708@msapiro.net> <002a01d0e597$a76a7a60$f63f6f20$@fayre.me> <55E72426.8030101@msapiro.net> <003b01d0e5b1$f40ae070$dc20a150$@fayre.me> <55E75ABE.60505@msapiro.net> <55E789C7.9050603@fayre.me> <55E78E0A.7040407@msapiro.net> <55E78F37.7090104@fayre.me> <55E7947A.1070409@msapiro.net> Message-ID: <55E7955D.1020204@msapiro.net> Forwarding to mailman-users for completeness. On 09/02/2015 05:29 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 09/02/2015 05:07 PM, Jason Fayre wrote: >> Here you go. >> Thanks so much for your help on this! >> This rundig is from the centos 6.7 htdig package. > > > Your rundig has been modified from the 3.2.0b6 htdig base. The base > rundig always does a full rebuild of the index My patch to rundig adds a > '-u' option to do an 'update' rather than a full rebuild. Your > RedHat/Centos package rundig already has this option only it's '-i' for > incremental. > > Thus, you don't need to patch your rundig at all unless you want to > uncomment line 79 (which my patch does) per lines 77-79 > > # If you want to use the soundex and (or) metaphone fuzzy matchings, > # Uncomment the following line > # $BINDIR/htfuzzy $opts soundex metaphone > > What you do need to do however is change nightly_htdig. My patch added > amongst other things the line > > init_or_update = ' -u' > > per > > @@ -109,6 +109,7 @@ > # test if the archive volume directories mod times have > # changed > recent_posts = None > + init_or_update = ' -u' > rundig_run_file = os.path.join(list_htdig_dir, 'rundig_last_run') > archive = HyperArch.HyperArchive(mlist) > try: > > You need to change that to > > init_or_update = ' -i' > > because in your rundig the 'incremental' option is '-i', not '-u'. > -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jason at fayre.me Thu Sep 3 17:02:18 2015 From: jason at fayre.me (Jason Fayre) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:02:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman In-Reply-To: <55E7955D.1020204@msapiro.net> References: <000d01d0e4ec$f28dabd0$d7a90370$@fayre.me> <55E69F4F.6050306@msapiro.net> <002201d0e582$76e431c0$64ac9540$@fayre.me> <55E719BF.6040708@msapiro.net> <002a01d0e597$a76a7a60$f63f6f20$@fayre.me> <55E72426.8030101@msapiro.net> <003b01d0e5b1$f40ae070$dc20a150$@fayre.me> <55E75ABE.60505@msapiro.net> <55E789C7.9050603@fayre.me> <55E78E0A.7040407@msapiro.net> <55E78F37.7090104@fayre.me> <55E7947A.1070409@msapiro.net> <55E7955D.1020204@msapiro.net> Message-ID: <000001d0e659$871088f0$95319ad0$@fayre.me> Hello, I made the modifications you suggested. Now when I run nightly_htdig on a list, I get an error back that "I" is an invalid option for htfuzzy. I uncommented that line in the rundig script. Any ideas? If it isn't critical, I can just re-comment that line. -----Original Message----- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jason=fayre.me at python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:34 PM To: Mailman Users Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman Forwarding to mailman-users for completeness. On 09/02/2015 05:29 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 09/02/2015 05:07 PM, Jason Fayre wrote: >> Here you go. >> Thanks so much for your help on this! >> This rundig is from the centos 6.7 htdig package. > > > Your rundig has been modified from the 3.2.0b6 htdig base. The base > rundig always does a full rebuild of the index My patch to rundig adds > a '-u' option to do an 'update' rather than a full rebuild. Your > RedHat/Centos package rundig already has this option only it's '-i' > for incremental. > > Thus, you don't need to patch your rundig at all unless you want to > uncomment line 79 (which my patch does) per lines 77-79 > > # If you want to use the soundex and (or) metaphone fuzzy matchings, # > Uncomment the following line # $BINDIR/htfuzzy $opts soundex metaphone > > What you do need to do however is change nightly_htdig. My patch added > amongst other things the line > > init_or_update = ' -u' > > per > > @@ -109,6 +109,7 @@ > # test if the archive volume directories mod times have > # changed > recent_posts = None > + init_or_update = ' -u' > rundig_run_file = os.path.join(list_htdig_dir, 'rundig_last_run') > archive = HyperArch.HyperArchive(mlist) > try: > > You need to change that to > > init_or_update = ' -i' > > because in your rundig the 'incremental' option is '-i', not '-u'. > -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jason%40fayre.me From mark at msapiro.net Thu Sep 3 19:11:00 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:11:00 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman In-Reply-To: <000001d0e659$871088f0$95319ad0$@fayre.me> References: <000d01d0e4ec$f28dabd0$d7a90370$@fayre.me> <55E69F4F.6050306@msapiro.net> <002201d0e582$76e431c0$64ac9540$@fayre.me> <55E719BF.6040708@msapiro.net> <002a01d0e597$a76a7a60$f63f6f20$@fayre.me> <55E72426.8030101@msapiro.net> <003b01d0e5b1$f40ae070$dc20a150$@fayre.me> <55E75ABE.60505@msapiro.net> <55E789C7.9050603@fayre.me> <55E78E0A.7040407@msapiro.net> <55E78F37.7090104@fayre.me> <55E7947A.1070409@msapiro.net> <55E7955D.1020204@msapiro.net> <000001d0e659$871088f0$95319ad0$@fayre.me> Message-ID: <55E87F24.6090604@msapiro.net> On 09/03/2015 08:02 AM, Jason Fayre wrote: > Hello, > I made the modifications you suggested. > Now when I run nightly_htdig on a list, I get an error back that "I" is an > invalid option for htfuzzy. I uncommented that line in the rundig script. > Any ideas? > If it isn't critical, I can just re-comment that line. I'm sorry. I didn't keep the rundig you sent me so I can't be sure, but it appears that RedHat's modified rundig may be broken in some way. On the other hand, if in making the mod to nightly_htdig you have init_or_update = ' -I' that is the problem. it needs to be lower case ' -i'. If that doesn't explain it, you can send me the rundig again and I'll look further. Whether or not you want the uncommented $BINDIR/htfuzzy $opts soundex metaphone line is up to you. What this does is enable the search to match alternate spellings of the search words that 'sound alike'. However, even if you re-comment that line, there may be other problems even if it doesn't complain. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jason at fayre.me Thu Sep 3 20:29:37 2015 From: jason at fayre.me (Jason Fayre) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 14:29:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman In-Reply-To: <55E87F24.6090604@msapiro.net> References: <000d01d0e4ec$f28dabd0$d7a90370$@fayre.me> <55E69F4F.6050306@msapiro.net> <002201d0e582$76e431c0$64ac9540$@fayre.me> <55E719BF.6040708@msapiro.net> <002a01d0e597$a76a7a60$f63f6f20$@fayre.me> <55E72426.8030101@msapiro.net> <003b01d0e5b1$f40ae070$dc20a150$@fayre.me> <55E75ABE.60505@msapiro.net> <55E789C7.9050603@fayre.me> <55E78E0A.7040407@msapiro.net> <55E78F37.7090104@fayre.me> <55E7947A.1070409@msapiro.net> <55E7955D.1020204@msapiro.net> <000001d0e659$871088f0$95319ad0$@fayre.me> <55E87F24.6090604@msapiro.net> Message-ID: <000d01d0e676$7d352a30$779f7e90$@fayre.me> Hi, I finally got htdig to compile from source. So, I got rid of the centos package and am now using a vanilla build. The rundig patch applied correctly now. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net] Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 1:11 PM To: Jason Fayre ; 'Mailman Users' Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman On 09/03/2015 08:02 AM, Jason Fayre wrote: > Hello, > I made the modifications you suggested. > Now when I run nightly_htdig on a list, I get an error back that "I" > is an invalid option for htfuzzy. I uncommented that line in the rundig script. > Any ideas? > If it isn't critical, I can just re-comment that line. I'm sorry. I didn't keep the rundig you sent me so I can't be sure, but it appears that RedHat's modified rundig may be broken in some way. On the other hand, if in making the mod to nightly_htdig you have init_or_update = ' -I' that is the problem. it needs to be lower case ' -i'. If that doesn't explain it, you can send me the rundig again and I'll look further. Whether or not you want the uncommented $BINDIR/htfuzzy $opts soundex metaphone line is up to you. What this does is enable the search to match alternate spellings of the search words that 'sound alike'. However, even if you re-comment that line, there may be other problems even if it doesn't complain. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From nitinics at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 16:21:15 2015 From: nitinics at gmail.com (Nitin Sharma) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:21:15 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] All confirmation emails going to SPAM on gmail Message-ID: Hi All, So I set up mailman ( mailman-2.1.15-21.20 ) and have my SPF/DKIM/DMARC set for my domain. All of the confirmation emails sent are classified under Gmail as "Spam". The list postings however are correctly sent to Forum Tab. I see that "Precedence:bulk" is set on the confirmation emails, whereas "Precedence:list" is set on the posting. I think that's okay. Confirmation emails are important and I want to increase the likelihood of it not being classified as spam. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. I opened a discussion in here too , which contain all the headers - https://productforums.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer#!msg/gmail/mxkNC3b_KK0/8xEoHtksLRoJ According to the Bulk sender's guidelines : I have mostly all done correct except the below 1. Unsubscribe option - Don't have it since confirmation email means the user hasn't subscribed yet. 2. Use the same address in the 'From:' header on every bulk mail you send. - This on mailman's confirmation email is sent as list+confirm+@domain , and this changes every time. Is there a way to make this consistent? Thanks Nitin From lac at openend.se Thu Sep 3 23:50:27 2015 From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 23:50:27 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrating htdig with cpanel mailman In-Reply-To: <000d01d0e676$7d352a30$779f7e90$@fayre.me> References: <000d01d0e4ec$f28dabd0$d7a90370$@fayre.me> <55E69F4F.6050306@msapiro.net> <002201d0e582$76e431c0$64ac9540$@fayre.me> <55E719BF.6040708@msapiro.net> <002a01d0e597$a76a7a60$f63f6f20$@fayre.me> <55E72426.8030101@msapiro.net> <003b01d0e5b1$f40ae070$dc20a150$@fayre.me> <55E75ABE.60505@msapiro.net> <55E789C7.9050603@fayre.me> <55E78E0A.7040407@msapiro.net> <55E78F37.7090104@fayre.me> <55E7947A.1070409@msapiro.net> <55E7955D.1020204@msapiro.net> <000001d0e659$871088f0$95319ad0$@fayre.me> <55E87F24.6090604@msapiro.net> <000d01d0e676$7d352a30$779f7e90$@fayre.me> Message-ID: <201509032150.t83LoRbK025783@fido.openend.se> In a message of Thu, 03 Sep 2015 14:29:37 -0400, "Jason Fayre" writes: >Hi, >I finally got htdig to compile from source. So, I got rid of the centos >package and am now using a vanilla build. The rundig patch applied correctly >now. > cheer! :) Laura From mark at msapiro.net Fri Sep 4 01:01:57 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 16:01:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] All confirmation emails going to SPAM on gmail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55E8D165.5010708@msapiro.net> On 09/03/2015 07:21 AM, Nitin Sharma wrote: > > So I set up mailman ( mailman-2.1.15-21.20 ) and have my > SPF/DKIM/DMARC set for my domain. I too have SPF and DKIM sign my outgoing mail, but I don't publish a DMARC policy. > All of the confirmation emails sent are classified under Gmail as > "Spam". The list postings however are correctly sent to Forum Tab. I just requested subscription of a gmail address to a list and the confirmation request arrived in my gmail inbox. > I see that "Precedence:bulk" is set on the confirmation emails, > whereas "Precedence:list" is set on the posting. I think that's okay. > > Confirmation emails are important and I want to increase the > likelihood of it not being classified as spam. Agreed. > Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Here are the headers of the message from my gmail inbox. Some lines may be wrapped, but otherwise this is an exact copy. Delivered-To: marksapiro at gmail.com Received: by 10.79.28.84 with SMTP id c81csp55822ivc; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 14:04:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.107.160.196 with SMTP id j187mr192882ioe.80.1441314247111; Thu, 03 Sep 2015 14:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from sbh16.songbird.com (sbh16.songbird.com. [72.52.113.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id w5si175300igl.33.2015.09.03.14.04.06 for ; Thu, 03 Sep 2015 14:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of wed_ride-bounces+marksapiro=gmail.com at grizz.org designates 72.52.113.16 as permitted sender) client-ip=72.52.113.16; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of wed_ride-bounces+marksapiro=gmail.com at grizz.org designates 72.52.113.16 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wed_ride-bounces+marksapiro=gmail.com at grizz.org; dkim=pass header.i=@grizz.org Received: from sbh16.songbird.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sbh16.songbird.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6C111E0075 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 14:03:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=grizz.org; s=default; t=1441314203; bh=yEUb4ckS6Fc1HbEAgDUhqOHNgu/RDCrA6+1VBSmCVRA=; h=From:To:Subject:Reply-To:Date:List-Id; b=Y29kTn45HV3hl9P8uVmdDoZFAm8kCCA9CFxj+sX9ip3gJcXktosI8ih86hSM55lxE af74YrR1zzc0RrnLaQLni1iIr+lErigt8zU5TcchUO3Xf+rdZzR/WNzPfFhdC/MtP9 KZy/l1rZWlB/RHDFxsM4xW1MIUmrNoUyJ0hl9Ix4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: wed_ride-confirm+1e5aa844ab20f780c82596c0f41b178ff5d9eb25 at grizz.org To: marksapiro at gmail.com Subject: Your confirmation is required to join the Wed_ride mailing list Reply-To: wed_ride-confirm+1e5aa844ab20f780c82596c0f41b178ff5d9eb25 at grizz.org Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 14:03:14 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: wed_ride at grizz.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 List-Id: GPC Wednesday Ride List X-List-Administrivia: yes Errors-To: wed_ride-bounces+marksapiro=gmail.com at grizz.org > I opened a discussion in here too , which contain all the headers - > https://productforums.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer#!msg/gmail/mxkNC3b_KK0/8xEoHtksLRoJ The only significant difference I see in headers is your Received: from ip-10-73-187-221.ec2.internal (mail.nypny.com. [2001:470:1f07:12b5::2]) by mx.google.com which I think says your MTA identifies itself in EHLO as ip-10-73-187-221.ec2.internal and not as mail.nypny.com. This could make a difference. > According to the Bulk sender's guidelines : > I have mostly all done correct except the below > 1. Unsubscribe option - Don't have it since confirmation email means > the user hasn't subscribed yet. > 2. Use the same address in the 'From:' header on every bulk mail you > send. - This on mailman's confirmation email is sent as > list+confirm+@domain , and this changes every time. Is there a > way to make this consistent? It is that way because you have VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes in mm_cfg.py for 'friendlier' confirmations. You can remove that in which case the From: will be (in your case) From: wg-request at nypny.com and the Subject: will be Subject: confirm+cf8341f8018591fef49bbfd5c5a8bf4a2f3b9066 Sending confirmations with that Subject: is probably just as bad as having some end up in spam. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From wetz.peter at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 15:13:32 2015 From: wetz.peter at gmail.com (Peter Wetz) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 15:13:32 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] message to list does not get forwarded to all list members Message-ID: Currently I experience the following issue on my list: If one specific subscriber posts a message to the list, it does not get forwarded to all list members. However, some (at least one) receives his messages. But most, don't receive his message. The message also shows up properly in the list archive. What is the problem? How can I debug this? Why does the message not get through to all list members? The domain of the source mail is yahoo.com Thanks and best, Peter From jason at fayre.me Fri Sep 4 16:40:25 2015 From: jason at fayre.me (Jason Fayre) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 10:40:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] creating a htdig global search Message-ID: <000001d0e71f$a3244510$e96ccf30$@fayre.me> Hello, After getting HTDig to work on a per-list basis, I'd now like to set up a global search for all of our lists. Has anyone done this? I'm not sure what to put in the config file for start_url to have it build a master index of all the archives. Any help would be appreciated. From mark at msapiro.net Fri Sep 4 17:25:10 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 08:25:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] message to list does not get forwarded to all list members In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55E9B7D6.3030103@msapiro.net> On 09/04/2015 06:13 AM, Peter Wetz wrote: > > What is the problem? How can I debug this? Why does the message not get > through to all list members? > > The domain of the source mail is yahoo.com See the wiki at and . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From nitinics at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 18:06:12 2015 From: nitinics at gmail.com (Nitin Sharma) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 12:06:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] All confirmation emails going to SPAM on gmail In-Reply-To: <55E8D165.5010708@msapiro.net> References: <55E8D165.5010708@msapiro.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 09/03/2015 07:21 AM, Nitin Sharma wrote: >> >> So I set up mailman ( mailman-2.1.15-21.20 ) and have my >> SPF/DKIM/DMARC set for my domain. > > > I too have SPF and DKIM sign my outgoing mail, but I don't publish a > DMARC policy. > > >> All of the confirmation emails sent are classified under Gmail as >> "Spam". The list postings however are correctly sent to Forum Tab. > > > I just requested subscription of a gmail address to a list and the > confirmation request arrived in my gmail inbox. > > >> I see that "Precedence:bulk" is set on the confirmation emails, >> whereas "Precedence:list" is set on the posting. I think that's okay. >> >> Confirmation emails are important and I want to increase the >> likelihood of it not being classified as spam. > > > Agreed. > > >> Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. > > > Here are the headers of the message from my gmail inbox. Some lines may > be wrapped, but otherwise this is an exact copy. > > Delivered-To: marksapiro at gmail.com > Received: by 10.79.28.84 with SMTP id c81csp55822ivc; > Thu, 3 Sep 2015 14:04:07 -0700 (PDT) > X-Received: by 10.107.160.196 with SMTP id j187mr192882ioe.80.1441314247111; > Thu, 03 Sep 2015 14:04:07 -0700 (PDT) > Return-Path: > Received: from sbh16.songbird.com (sbh16.songbird.com. [72.52.113.16]) > by mx.google.com with ESMTP id w5si175300igl.33.2015.09.03.14.04.06 > for ; > Thu, 03 Sep 2015 14:04:06 -0700 (PDT) > Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of > wed_ride-bounces+marksapiro=gmail.com at grizz.org designates 72.52.113.16 > as permitted sender) client-ip=72.52.113.16; > Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; > spf=pass (google.com: domain of > wed_ride-bounces+marksapiro=gmail.com at grizz.org designates 72.52.113.16 > as permitted sender) > smtp.mailfrom=wed_ride-bounces+marksapiro=gmail.com at grizz.org; > dkim=pass header.i=@grizz.org > Received: from sbh16.songbird.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > by sbh16.songbird.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6C111E0075 > for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 14:03:23 -0700 (PDT) > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=grizz.org; s=default; > t=1441314203; bh=yEUb4ckS6Fc1HbEAgDUhqOHNgu/RDCrA6+1VBSmCVRA=; > h=From:To:Subject:Reply-To:Date:List-Id; > b=Y29kTn45HV3hl9P8uVmdDoZFAm8kCCA9CFxj+sX9ip3gJcXktosI8ih86hSM55lxE > af74YrR1zzc0RrnLaQLni1iIr+lErigt8zU5TcchUO3Xf+rdZzR/WNzPfFhdC/MtP9 > KZy/l1rZWlB/RHDFxsM4xW1MIUmrNoUyJ0hl9Ix4= > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: wed_ride-confirm+1e5aa844ab20f780c82596c0f41b178ff5d9eb25 at grizz.org > To: marksapiro at gmail.com > Subject: Your confirmation is required to join the Wed_ride mailing list > Reply-To: > wed_ride-confirm+1e5aa844ab20f780c82596c0f41b178ff5d9eb25 at grizz.org > Auto-Submitted: auto-generated > Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 14:03:14 -0700 > Precedence: bulk > X-BeenThere: wed_ride at grizz.org > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 > List-Id: GPC Wednesday Ride List > X-List-Administrivia: yes > Errors-To: wed_ride-bounces+marksapiro=gmail.com at grizz.org > > >> I opened a discussion in here too , which contain all the headers - >> https://productforums.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer#!msg/gmail/mxkNC3b_KK0/8xEoHtksLRoJ > > > The only significant difference I see in headers is your > > Received: from ip-10-73-187-221.ec2.internal (mail.nypny.com. > [2001:470:1f07:12b5::2]) > by mx.google.com > > which I think says your MTA identifies itself in EHLO as > ip-10-73-187-221.ec2.internal and not as mail.nypny.com. This could make > a difference. > That was it. I didn't think that would make much of a difference, but I changed the EHLO and it is no longer spam. Thanks for the pointer. > >> According to the Bulk sender's guidelines : >> I have mostly all done correct except the below >> 1. Unsubscribe option - Don't have it since confirmation email means >> the user hasn't subscribed yet. >> 2. Use the same address in the 'From:' header on every bulk mail you >> send. - This on mailman's confirmation email is sent as >> list+confirm+@domain , and this changes every time. Is there a >> way to make this consistent? > > > It is that way because you have > > VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes > > in mm_cfg.py for 'friendlier' confirmations. You can remove that in > which case the From: will be (in your case) > > From: wg-request at nypny.com > > and the Subject: will be > > Subject: confirm+cf8341f8018591fef49bbfd5c5a8bf4a2f3b9066 > > Sending confirmations with that Subject: is probably just as bad as > having some end up in spam. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/nitinics%40gmail.com From rosenbaumlm at ornl.gov Fri Sep 4 18:39:44 2015 From: rosenbaumlm at ornl.gov (Rosenbaum, Larry M.) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 16:39:44 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about spam directory Message-ID: <5f241b77e4d1475893415b9eded5a2e3@EXCHCS31.ornl.gov> There are several files in our Mailman spam directory /var/lib/mailman/spam. These have filenames like spam-listname-number.msg Some of them are zero length; some are not. Where are these coming from? The spam filters are set to the default values, which shouldn't be blocking anything. Larry M. Rosenbaum Oak Ridge National Laboratory From mark at msapiro.net Fri Sep 4 19:02:55 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 10:02:55 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about spam directory In-Reply-To: <5f241b77e4d1475893415b9eded5a2e3@EXCHCS31.ornl.gov> References: <5f241b77e4d1475893415b9eded5a2e3@EXCHCS31.ornl.gov> Message-ID: <55E9CEBF.7040507@msapiro.net> On 09/04/2015 09:39 AM, Rosenbaum, Larry M. wrote: > There are several files in our Mailman spam directory /var/lib/mailman/spam. These have filenames like > spam-listname-number.msg > Some of them are zero length; some are not. > > Where are these coming from? The spam filters are set to the default values, which shouldn't be blocking anything. When a moderator checks the "preserve message for site administrator" box when handling a held message, the message is put in that spam/ directory. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Fri Sep 4 23:35:27 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 14:35:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] creating a htdig global search In-Reply-To: <000001d0e71f$a3244510$e96ccf30$@fayre.me> References: <000001d0e71f$a3244510$e96ccf30$@fayre.me> Message-ID: <55EA0E9F.2030509@msapiro.net> On 09/04/2015 07:40 AM, Jason Fayre wrote: > Hello, > After getting HTDig to work on a per-list basis, I'd now like to set up a > global search for all of our lists. > Has anyone done this? I'm not sure what to put in the config file for > start_url to have it build a master index of all the archives. > Any help would be appreciated. If you're only concerned about building the index, start_url can be anything. The key is that start_url should equate to archives/private/ in a local_urls attribute. E.g., start_url: http://example.com/mailman/searchall ... local_urls: http://example.com/mailman/searchall=/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/ You will also need to provide some actual URLs to a) a page that presents a search form and b) a CGI (or WSGI) to post the form data to. You can't use mmsearch for b) because it requires a list name. Also, if you have any private archives, you have an authentication problem. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From stephen at xemacs.org Sat Sep 5 09:30:22 2015 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2015 16:30:22 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] All confirmation emails going to SPAM on gmail In-Reply-To: References: <55E8D165.5010708@msapiro.net> Message-ID: <87k2s52ui9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Nitin Sharma writes: > On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Received: from ip-10-73-187-221.ec2.internal (mail.nypny.com. > > [2001:470:1f07:12b5::2]) > > by mx.google.com > > > > which I think says your MTA identifies itself in EHLO as > > ip-10-73-187-221.ec2.internal and not as mail.nypny.com. This > > could make a difference. > > That was it. I didn't think that would make much of a difference, but > I changed the EHLO and it is no longer spam. This actually is huge. Any indication that your mail was handled by a machine with a dynamically assigned IP is going to bump your spam points by quite a bit. The IP itself is impossible to connect to your domain, because IPs that start with 10 are not on the Internet. Those IPs are defined to be for internal use only (as the rest of the original EHLO domain also hints). Tell your friends and colleagues! :-) From lac at openend.se Sun Sep 6 11:15:31 2015 From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 11:15:31 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman care about mail aliases? Message-ID: <201509060915.t869FVVP015013@fido.openend.se> Somebody has subscribed 'webmaster at python.org' to their wretched Portuguese Language Mailing List. My Portuguese is none too good, but the messages all seem to be of the 'kill this mailing list' and 'get me off this mailing list' sort. So I went to the user webpage for this list, stuck in 'webmaster at python.org' and asked it to send me my password. Nothing has happened, except getting more mail from the list. Mailing guardasmailing-owner hasn't done anything either, but well, it is Sunday. Is there some sort of special processing that I have forgotten about that can keep me from getting a password for webmaster at python.org so I can unsubscribe us from this thing? Laura --------------------------- Here are all the headers I get, in case it is of use. Return-Path: Received: from mail.python.org (mail.python.org [82.94.164.166]) by theraft.openend.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4) with ESMTP id t85Gl0Aj026 936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO ) for ; Sat, 5 Sep 2015 18:47:02 +0200 Received: by mail.python.org (Postfix) id 3n7hc420YrzQ8b; Sat, 5 Sep 2015 18:47:00 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: webmaster at mail.python.org Received: from albatross.python.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3n7hc41gWmzMyg for ; Sat, 5 Sep 2015 18:47:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Status: UNSURE 0.691 X-Spam-Level: ****** Received: from localhost (HELO mail.python.org) (127.0.0.1) by albatross.python.org with SMTP; 05 Sep 2015 18:47:00 +0200 Received: from brs28.brs.com.br (host54-175.brs.com.br [177.11.54.175]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Sat, 5 Sep 2015 18:46:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50163 helo=brs28.brs.com.br) by brs28.brs.com.br with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYGUq-0002uZ-OB; Sat, 05 Sep 2015 13:39:20 -0300 Received: from mail-ig0-f176.google.com ([209.85.213.176]:37598) by brs28.brs.com.br with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYGUf-0002sy-Q9 for guardasmailing at guardasmunicipais.com.br; Sat, 05 Sep 2015 13:39:10 -0300 Received: by igbni9 with SMTP id ni9so33685262igb.0 for ; Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:39:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=HS7YzbpvP3V2kRn4J0APX3JnzEgHwfDEr6KUGqex8/0=; b=rzO4Gt8RgdFdbBY0BpHc2OwUt773y2NIAr1hixjGc1BBEbQRlFodmYpdkmQVOFcRa6 I0ClmdhSwJ+xjxVmFgtRrLV/9wHvWLW7/fmAF66dkZeYsejyMl3GLHNbDsYxlCov4IF0 tGcj0qgPU8G4tLiKpIqY2Hxr8vbMpVDOkSmmNcWTG/YZpxDvOYURQKtxEFtQgsmrWotr LLWnYb8EozOP0DDuZfP8Q7RU5EPUpaHG2+AxzEJkvmvzpH80eOODtO1ex5SRikl+loNH Npr9x4UQSgGAz7ibJTKtDU7wIvanBcCxQFBWDKOJz08Bpk+FYYph3T/LzJR9wcSkIlra +WkA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.13.72 with SMTP id f8mr17209489igc.50.1441471147066; Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.47.96 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Sep 2015 09:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.47.96 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Sep 2015 09:39:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <55E9CFA3.50204 at terra.com.br> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2015 13:39:06 -0300 Message-ID: From: Eduardo Borges To: Raquel Rosan Christino Gitahy Subject: Re: [Guardasmailing] =?utf-8?q?Urgente=3A_Solicita=C3=A7=C3=A3o_de_In?= =?utf-8?b?Zm9ybWHDp8O1ZXM=?= X-BeenThere: guardasmailing at guardasmunicipais.com.br X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Joao Werner Falk , "guardasmailing at guardasmunicipais.com.br" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0204601574603855756==" Errors-To: guardasmailing-bounces at guardasmunicipais.com.br Sender: "Guardasmailing" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any ab use report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - brs28.brs.com.br X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - guardasmunicipais.com.br X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: brs28.brs.com.br: acl_c_authenticated_local_user: mail man/mailman From mark at msapiro.net Sun Sep 6 17:28:34 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 08:28:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman care about mail aliases? In-Reply-To: <201509060915.t869FVVP015013@fido.openend.se> References: <201509060915.t869FVVP015013@fido.openend.se> Message-ID: <55EC5BA2.8060907@msapiro.net> On 09/06/2015 02:15 AM, Laura Creighton wrote: > > So I went to the user webpage for this list, stuck in > 'webmaster at python.org' and asked it to send me my password. > Nothing has happened, except getting more mail from the list. > Mailing guardasmailing-owner hasn't done anything either, but > well, it is Sunday. > > Is there some sort of special processing that I have forgotten about > that can keep me from getting a password for webmaster at python.org > so I can unsubscribe us from this thing? The list should send the reminder if 'webmaster at python.org' is a member. The header below indicates that mail is being sent from the server to so that would appear to be the subscribed address unless it is being somehow rewritten by the sending server which seems unlikely. > Received: from brs28.brs.com.br (host54-175.brs.com.br [177.11.54.175]) > (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) > (No client certificate requested) > by mail.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS > for ; Sat, 5 Sep 2015 18:46:59 +0200 (CEST) I have looked through the mail logs on mail.python.org for Sept 5 and 6 (CEST) and I see no evidence of any reminder from the guardasmailing at guardasmunicipais.com.br list having arrives although I do see posts from the list, some accepted and some rejected by spambayes. I have requested unsubscribe of webmaster at python.org from guardasmailing at guardasmunicipais.com.br both by email and by web and another reminder by web. We'll see if the confirmations arrive. And I've now looked in the mail.log, and it seems all 3 of these messages are rejected by spambayes. I don't have time to look further, but there may be some ways to temporarily whitelist this server. They all come from host54-175.brs.com.br[177.11.54.175]. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From lac at openend.se Sun Sep 6 18:56:43 2015 From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2015 18:56:43 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman care about mail aliases? (fwd) Message-ID: <201509061656.t86Guhui031980@fido.openend.se> Trying to get us off that Portuguese mailing list. Seems spambayes thinks the unsubscribe mail it sends us is spam ... ------- Forwarded Message To: mailman-users at python.org References: <201509060915.t869FVVP015013 at fido.openend.se> From: Mark Sapiro Message-ID: <55EC5BA2.8060907 at msapiro.net> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 08:28:34 -0700 On 09/06/2015 02:15 AM, Laura Creighton wrote: > > So I went to the user webpage for this list, stuck in > 'webmaster at python.org' and asked it to send me my password. > Nothing has happened, except getting more mail from the list. > Mailing guardasmailing-owner hasn't done anything either, but > well, it is Sunday. > > Is there some sort of special processing that I have forgotten about > that can keep me from getting a password for webmaster at python.org > so I can unsubscribe us from this thing? The list should send the reminder if 'webmaster at python.org' is a member. The header below indicates that mail is being sent from the server to so that would appear to be the subscribed address unless it is being somehow rewritten by the sending server which seems unlikely. > Received: from brs28.brs.com.br (host54-175.brs.com.br [177.11.54.175]) > (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) > (No client certificate requested) > by mail.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS > for ; Sat, 5 Sep 2015 18:46:59 +0200 (CEST) I have looked through the mail logs on mail.python.org for Sept 5 and 6 (CEST) and I see no evidence of any reminder from the guardasmailing at guardasmunicipais.com.br list having arrives although I do see posts from the list, some accepted and some rejected by spambayes. I have requested unsubscribe of webmaster at python.org from guardasmailing at guardasmunicipais.com.br both by email and by web and another reminder by web. We'll see if the confirmations arrive. And I've now looked in the mail.log, and it seems all 3 of these messages are rejected by spambayes. I don't have time to look further, but there may be some ways to temporarily whitelist this server. They all come from host54-175.brs.com.br[177.11.54.175]. - -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan - ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/lac%40openend.se ------- End of Forwarded Message From borjariesgo at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 11:47:12 2015 From: borjariesgo at gmail.com (Borja Riesgo Juan) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2015 11:47:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: BCC and bounces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello My hosting doesn?t allow since mid August sending emails using BCC. I can send only 50 mails per hour. They recommend me to use mailman. I would like to use mailman just for sending mails for one or two users of the list. the rest of the members won?t be allow. So they must be moderated. yesterday i was trying, and this seems to work. the problems are: - if i send the messages using BCC, that is all at mydomian.com they see undisclosed recipients and the message is sent by all-bopunces at mydomain.com. I don?t want users see all-bounces at mydomain.com. I want the see that i send the message and they as the receivers. _ Secondly if i sent in CC, they see all at mydomain.com. i don't want them to see that. To sum up, i want that the list is something that they don?t know. how can i do that? Best regards, Borja Best regards, Borja From stephen at xemacs.org Mon Sep 7 14:10:49 2015 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2015 21:10:49 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: BCC and bounces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8737yq2zw6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Borja Riesgo Juan writes: > I want the see that i send the message and they as the receivers. For a sufficiently recent mailman (I think that includes everything in common use nowadays) in the *administrative interface* to the list in the *Non-digest options* screen, you will find an option to *personalize* messages. In my Mailman that is the second option from the top in that screen. Set it to "Full Personalization". That should be all you need to achieve what you have asked for in this post. Then send your messages with To: all at mydomain.com From: borjariesgo at gmail.com (or borja at mydomain.com or ...) Mailman will *remove* "all at mydomain.com" and substitute each person's address in To:, in a separate email for each address. Then person at example.net will see To: "M. A. Person" From: borjariesgo at gmail.com (only one "To" address no matter how many people are on the list). From lac at openend.se Mon Sep 7 15:58:00 2015 From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2015 15:58:00 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: BCC and bounces In-Reply-To: <8737yq2zw6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <8737yq2zw6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: <201509071358.t87Dw0up023672@fido.openend.se> Should we get rid of this page/FAQ entry http://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20hide%20the%20fact%20that%20I%27m%20using%20a%20mailing%20list%20management%20system%3F then? And talk about Full Personalisation instead? Laura From stephen at xemacs.org Mon Sep 7 17:36:44 2015 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2015 00:36:44 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: BCC and bounces In-Reply-To: <201509071358.t87Dw0up023672@fido.openend.se> References: <8737yq2zw6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <201509071358.t87Dw0up023672@fido.openend.se> Message-ID: <87zj0y1bsj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Laura Creighton writes: > Should we get rid of this page/FAQ entry > http://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20hide%20the%20fact%20that%20I%27m%20using%20a%20mailing%20list%20management%20system%3F > > then? And talk about Full Personalisation instead? I think adding a mention of Full Personalization might be in order if that's all that is wanted. However, it appears to me that the original question that resulted in this FAQ entry wanted to completely eradicate Mailman from the headers, no List-*, no Sender, and maybe even no Received header mentioning that the message was apparently to a Mailman list. And that's a different kettle of fish. My understanding of Borja's request is that he simply wants normal traffic to appear to go To the recipient From him, but that he's not concerned in completely hiding the presence of the list from people who know where to look. From stephen at xemacs.org Mon Sep 7 18:01:58 2015 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2015 01:01:58 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: BCC and bounces In-Reply-To: References: <8737yq2zw6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: <87y4gi1amh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Please make sure the list is Cc'ed (use Reply to All). Borja Riesgo Juan writes: > Sorry stpehen. Than you but i don?t find *personalize* messages ni full > personalization in my adminsitrative interface. i have this option "Header > added to mail sent to regular list members" bu ti think it?s not the > correct one. No, that's not the right one. I guess your system is not set up to permit personalized delivery. To enable it, you need to add OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes to the mm_cfg.py configuration file. Unfortunately, it sounds like you are using a cheap shared host for your domain, and it's probable that you don't have access to that file and your ISP won't make this change for you (it can put a lot of pressure on their mail server). In that case, there's really nothing you can do to get Mailman to send mail that appears to be addressed "To: One Recipient" -- it's just against your ISP's rules. But try asking your ISP. If not, the best you can do is use Mailman as a mailing list manager, and hope people don't mind. From stephen at xemacs.org Mon Sep 7 18:41:16 2015 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2015 01:41:16 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: BCC and bounces In-Reply-To: <87zj0y1bsj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <8737yq2zw6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <201509071358.t87Dw0up023672@fido.openend.se> <87zj0y1bsj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: <87vbbm18sz.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Stephen J. Turnbull writes: > Laura Creighton writes: > > Should we get rid of this page/FAQ entry "How do I hide the fact > > that I%27m using a mailing list management system?" > > > > then? And talk about Full Personalisation instead? > > I think adding a mention of Full Personalization might be in order if > that's all that is wanted. OK, I've done this and a little bit more; see: http://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20hide%20the%20fact%20that%20I%27m%2\ 0using%20a%20mailing%20list%20management%20system%3F WDYT? Steve From lac at openend.se Mon Sep 7 19:57:37 2015 From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2015 19:57:37 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: BCC and bounces In-Reply-To: <87vbbm18sz.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <8737yq2zw6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <201509071358.t87Dw0up023672@fido.openend.se> <87zj0y1bsj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87vbbm18sz.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: <201509071757.t87HvbKx019338@fido.openend.se> In a message of Tue, 08 Sep 2015 01:41:16 +0900, "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: >http://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20hide%20the%20fact%20that%20I%27m%2\ >0using%20a%20mailing%20list%20management%20system%3F > >WDYT? > >Steve Looks reasonable to me. By the way, CiviCRM advertises mailman integration. http://wiki.civicrm.org/confluence/display/CRMDOC/Mailman+synchronization though I don't suppose we should be recommending any particular CRM. Laura From billynoah at zuma-design.com Tue Sep 8 15:14:29 2015 From: billynoah at zuma-design.com (billy noah) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 09:14:29 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error updating mailman Ubuntu 14.04.3 In-Reply-To: <55E264BC.5050002@msapiro.net> References: <55E264BC.5050002@msapiro.net> Message-ID: Thanks everyone. I am pretty sure no newer version was ever installed from source and it remains a mystery what went wrong. Asked on askubuntu.com and got this recommendation which did resolve the issue: cd /var/lib/dpkg/info/ rm mailman* apt-get clean all On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 08/25/2015 04:28 PM, billy noah wrote: > > Tried running an update today and received this message: > > > > Setting up mailman (1:2.1.16-2ubuntu0.1) ... > ... > > Downgrade detected, from version 0x20112f1 to version 0x20110f0 > > > I'm with Steve on this. This is very wierd. The first message says you > are setting up 2.1.16-2 and the later message says you are downgrading > from 2.1.12-1 to 2.1.10. > > > > Any ideas what I can do to remedy this? > > > You can run Mailman's 'bin/update --force' manually, but I wouldn't > recommend it, because something unknown is messed up. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/billynoah%40zuma-design.com > From harrison at utm.edu Tue Sep 8 15:43:41 2015 From: harrison at utm.edu (Bruce Harrison) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 13:43:41 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange postings to non-existant lists Message-ID: For the last month or two, I get anywhere from 3 or 4 to 20 to 30 postings to non-existent lists on our mailman server. I've been reading of course about the subscribe spamming that folks have been talking about. Is this just someone poking at our mailman machine trying to find something to send spam to, or something more sinister? We use Microsoft filtering for spam, viruses, etc. so all mail I see comes from one of their servers. It's not causing any problems, but just strange to me. Comments? Bruce Harrison Univ. of Tennessee at Maritn From andrew at hodgsonfamily.org Tue Sep 8 15:57:51 2015 From: andrew at hodgsonfamily.org (Andrew Hodgson) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 13:57:51 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange postings to non-existant lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bruce Harrison wrote: >For the last month or two, I get anywhere from 3 or 4 to 20 to 30 postings to non-existent lists on our mailman server. I've been reading of course about the subscribe spamming that folks have been talking about. >Is this just someone poking at our mailman machine trying to find something to send spam to, or something more sinister? We use Microsoft filtering for spam, viruses, etc. so all mail I see comes from one of their servers. >It's not causing any problems, but just strange to me. I haven't seen spammers subscribe to the lists properly (i.e, respond to the Mailman response), but I've had a lot of messages going to invalid users at the list domains and also to the subscribe/unsubscribe/request address, which was creating a lot of backscatter. >From my point of view I want to try and avoid accepting and processing spam mail and mail to invalid lists/recipients to try and avoid backscatter. I installed a local copy of SpamAssassin which seems to be working really well and rejects spam over a score of around 7. This seems to let list traffic through whilst blocking the spam messages. I also removed frontline MX servers from the lists domain so they get handled by the Exim server doing the processing, so that any 5XX response that the server sends out causes the spam server to give up, rather than a frontline MX server having to generate the NDR and send it out to the probably innocent party. To this end we used to use MS Office 365 spam scanning on the list domains, but don't use it anymore for this reason. Hope this helps, Andrew. From harrison at utm.edu Tue Sep 8 16:12:16 2015 From: harrison at utm.edu (Bruce Harrison) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 14:12:16 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange postings to non-existant lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Interesting, I may give SpamAssassin a look. Thanks! Mine are almost always mail to invalid lists. My box talks to our local mail processor, which in turn runs off-campus thru the MS filters/scanners and on out. Bruce UTM -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson [mailto:andrew at hodgsonfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 8:58 AM To: Bruce Harrison; mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: strange postings to non-existant lists Bruce Harrison wrote: >For the last month or two, I get anywhere from 3 or 4 to 20 to 30 postings to non-existent lists on our mailman server. I've been reading of course about the subscribe spamming that folks have been talking about. >Is this just someone poking at our mailman machine trying to find something to send spam to, or something more sinister? We use Microsoft filtering for spam, viruses, etc. so all mail I see comes from one of their servers. >It's not causing any problems, but just strange to me. I haven't seen spammers subscribe to the lists properly (i.e, respond to the Mailman response), but I've had a lot of messages going to invalid users at the list domains and also to the subscribe/unsubscribe/request address, which was creating a lot of backscatter. >From my point of view I want to try and avoid accepting and processing spam mail and mail to invalid lists/recipients to try and avoid backscatter. I installed a local copy of SpamAssassin which seems to be working really well and rejects spam over a score of around 7. This seems to let list traffic through whilst blocking the spam messages. I also removed frontline MX servers from the lists domain so they get handled by the Exim server doing the processing, so that any 5XX response that the server sends out causes the spam server to give up, rather than a frontline MX server having to generate the NDR and send it out to the probably innocent party. To this end we used to use MS Office 365 spam scanning on the list domains, but don't use it anymore for this reason. Hope this helps, Andrew. From stephen at xemacs.org Tue Sep 8 19:12:12 2015 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 02:12:12 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange postings to non-existant lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87h9n425ub.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Bruce Harrison writes: > Mine are almost always mail to invalid lists. What makes you think these are "lists"? Simply the fact that they're addressed to the Mailman machine? Or are they decommissioned lists or something like that? In general, spammers often seem to pick random mailboxes or common ones (like "webmaster"), or ones that appear on websites. A computer users' group once posted "Our meeting will be held in the seminar room at sponsor.com" (the familiar name of the company, like Amazon.com), and sure enough, a couple of spams to "room at sponsor.com" were received. For spam filtering, besides SpamAssassin, many Mailman lists use SpamBayes. (SpamAssassin is the most popular, but SpamBayes uses a somewhat different approach, so might catch spam that SpamAssassin doesn't.) From andrew at hodgsonfamily.org Tue Sep 8 19:22:47 2015 From: andrew at hodgsonfamily.org (Andrew Hodgson) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 17:22:47 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange postings to non-existant lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bruce Harrison wrote: >Interesting, I may give SpamAssassin a look. Thanks! One thing here which I forgot is if your machine is not receiving mail directly, you may have less luck with SpamAssassin due to the mail always coming in from a downstream server. It is easy to overcome but needs more configuration. >Mine are almost always mail to invalid lists. Are these lists which used to exist, or just random addresses on the system? >My box talks to our local mail processor, which in turn runs off-campus thru the MS filters/scanners and on out. It's incoming mail we're interested in here, does that get handled directly or via filtering machines to? Andrew. From harrison at utm.edu Tue Sep 8 19:25:46 2015 From: harrison at utm.edu (Bruce Harrison) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 17:25:46 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange postings to non-existant lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: These are just random addresses, never existed on my mailman machine. Incoming gets filtered by Microsoft setup. Bruce UTM -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson [mailto:andrew at hodgsonfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 12:23 PM To: Bruce Harrison; mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: strange postings to non-existant lists Bruce Harrison wrote: >Interesting, I may give SpamAssassin a look. Thanks! One thing here which I forgot is if your machine is not receiving mail directly, you may have less luck with SpamAssassin due to the mail always coming in from a downstream server. It is easy to overcome but needs more configuration. >Mine are almost always mail to invalid lists. Are these lists which used to exist, or just random addresses on the system? >My box talks to our local mail processor, which in turn runs off-campus thru the MS filters/scanners and on out. It's incoming mail we're interested in here, does that get handled directly or via filtering machines to? Andrew. From pete at bossley.me Tue Sep 8 23:32:42 2015 From: pete at bossley.me (Peter Bossley) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 21:32:42 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: BCC and bounces In-Reply-To: <8737yq2zw6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <8737yq2zw6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: But it appears as though the list posting address still winds up in the CC: field even with FP turned on. It does send a message to each recipient but I am wondering how one would go about removing the list address in the CC: field to avoid people replying all. -----Original Message----- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+pete=bossley.me at python.org] On Behalf Of Stephen J. Turnbull Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 8:11 AM To: borjariesgo at gmail.com Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: BCC and bounces Borja Riesgo Juan writes: > I want the see that i send the message and they as the receivers. For a sufficiently recent mailman (I think that includes everything in common use nowadays) in the *administrative interface* to the list in the *Non-digest options* screen, you will find an option to *personalize* messages. In my Mailman that is the second option from the top in that screen. Set it to "Full Personalization". That should be all you need to achieve what you have asked for in this post. Then send your messages with To: all at mydomain.com From: borjariesgo at gmail.com (or borja at mydomain.com or ...) Mailman will *remove* "all at mydomain.com" and substitute each person's address in To:, in a separate email for each address. Then person at example.net will see To: "M. A. Person" From: borjariesgo at gmail.com (only one "To" address no matter how many people are on the list). ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/pete%40bossley.me From mark at tafn.org.uk Wed Sep 9 00:12:44 2015 From: mark at tafn.org.uk (Mark Tyler) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 23:12:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can any one help Message-ID: <55EF5D5C.3050004@tafn.org.uk> Hi i keep getting the folowing emails Clamscan reports Sanesecurity honeynet.hdb database integrity tested BAD - SKIPPING rsync: link_stat "/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/honeynet.hdb" failed: No such file or directory (2) rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo production database file: honeynet.hdb - SKIPPING Clamscan reports Sanesecurity securiteinfobat.hdb database integrity tested BAD - SKIPPING rsync: link_stat "/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/securiteinfobat.hdb" failed: No such file or directory (2) rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo production database file: securiteinfobat.hdb - SKIPPING Clamscan reports Sanesecurity securiteinfodos.hdb database integrity tested BAD - SKIPPING rsync: link_stat "/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/securiteinfodos.hdb" failed: No such file or directory (2) rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo production database file: securiteinfodos.hdb - SKIPPING Clamscan reports Sanesecurity securiteinfoelf.hdb database integrity tested BAD - SKIPPING rsync: link_stat "/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/securiteinfoelf.hdb" failed: No such file or directory (2) rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo production database file: securiteinfoelf.hdb - SKIPPING Clamscan reports Sanesecurity securiteinfooffice.hdb database integrity tested BAD - SKIPPING rsync: link_stat "/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/securiteinfooffice.hdb" failed: No such file or directory (2) rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo production database file: securiteinfooffice.hdb - SKIPPING Clamscan reports Sanesecurity securiteinfopdf.hdb database integrity tested BAD - SKIPPING rsync: link_stat "/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/securiteinfopdf.hdb" failed: No such file or directory (2) rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo production database file: securiteinfopdf.hdb - SKIPPING Clamscan reports Sanesecurity securiteinfosh.hdb database integrity tested BAD - SKIPPING rsync: link_stat "/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/securiteinfosh.hdb" failed: No such file or directory (2) rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo production database file: securiteinfosh.hdb - SKIPPING From mark at msapiro.net Wed Sep 9 03:09:05 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 18:09:05 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: BCC and bounces In-Reply-To: References: <8737yq2zw6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: <55EF86B1.5040702@msapiro.net> On 09/08/2015 02:32 PM, Peter Bossley wrote: > But it appears as though the list posting address still winds up in the CC: field even with FP turned on. It does send a message to each recipient but I am wondering how one would go about removing the list address in the CC: field to avoid people replying all. Mailman is not designed to hide the fact that its messages come from a mailing list. If a list is fully personalized, the list posting address is put in Cc: intentionally to facilitate replying to the list. This is a design decision and can only be changed by modifying the code in Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Wed Sep 9 03:19:13 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 18:19:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can any one help In-Reply-To: <55EF5D5C.3050004@tafn.org.uk> References: <55EF5D5C.3050004@tafn.org.uk> Message-ID: <55EF8911.7070001@msapiro.net> On 09/08/2015 03:12 PM, Mark Tyler wrote: > Hi i keep getting the folowing emails > Clamscan reports Sanesecurity honeynet.hdb database integrity tested BAD > - SKIPPING > rsync: link_stat "/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/honeynet.hdb" > failed: No such file or directory (2) > rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) > (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] > Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo production database file: > honeynet.hdb - SKIPPING > Clamscan reports Sanesecurity securiteinfobat.hdb database integrity > tested BAD - SKIPPING ... These messages have nothing to do with Mailman. Are you sure you didn't mean to send this to ? The messages appear to originate from Bill Landry's clamav-unofficial-sigs script . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Wed Sep 9 03:43:46 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 18:43:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: BCC and bounces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55EF8ED2.1040907@msapiro.net> On 09/07/2015 02:47 AM, Borja Riesgo Juan wrote: > > - if i send the messages using BCC, that is all at mydomian.com they see > undisclosed recipients and the message is sent by all-bopunces at mydomain.com. > I don?t want users see all-bounces at mydomain.com. I want the see that i send > the message and they as the receivers. I'm coming in late here and most of this thread has been covered, but with respect to the above, the all-bounces at mydomain.com address is the list bounce processing address. Mailman sets the envelope sender and also the Sender: and Errors-To: headers to this value. If your users are seeing this address, it is probably because they are using a Microsoft mail client that displays something like "From: (the Sender: address) on behalf of (the From: address)". Since Mailman 2.1.14, if a site allows it, there is a list admin General Options -> include_sender_header setting which can be set to No to not include the Sender: header. The all-bounces at mydomain.com address will still be the envelope sender and in the Errors-To: header, but most users won't see it. Also see my other reply in this thread at . -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From andrew at hodgsonfamily.org Wed Sep 9 00:41:19 2015 From: andrew at hodgsonfamily.org (Andrew Hodgson) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 22:41:19 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can any one help In-Reply-To: <55EF5D5C.3050004@tafn.org.uk> References: <55EF5D5C.3050004@tafn.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi, This is nothing to do with Mailman, I suggest looking at a ClamAV related list or if your system was set up by someone speak to them to find out how it was set up. If you are still stuck over the weekend give me a shout and I can give you some options as I am hosting some mailing lists for blind specific charities in the UK at the moment. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+andrew=hodgsonfamily.org at python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Tyler Sent: 08 September 2015 23:13 To: Mailman-Users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] can any one help Hi i keep getting the folowing emails Clamscan reports Sanesecurity honeynet.hdb database integrity tested BAD - SKIPPING rsync: link_stat "/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/honeynet.hdb" failed: No such file or directory (2) rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo production database file: honeynet.hdb - SKIPPING Clamscan reports Sanesecurity securiteinfobat.hdb database integrity tested BAD - SKIPPING rsync: link_stat "/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/securiteinfobat.hdb" failed: No such file or directory (2) rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo production database file: securiteinfobat.hdb - SKIPPING Clamscan reports Sanesecurity securiteinfodos.hdb database integrity tested BAD - SKIPPING rsync: link_stat "/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/securiteinfodos.hdb" failed: No such file or directory (2) rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo production database file: securiteinfodos.hdb - SKIPPING Clamscan reports Sanesecurity securiteinfoelf.hdb database integrity tested BAD - SKIPPING rsync: link_stat "/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/securiteinfoelf.hdb" failed: No such file or directory (2) rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo production database file: securiteinfoelf.hdb - SKIPPING Clamscan reports Sanesecurity securiteinfooffice.hdb database integrity tested BAD - SKIPPING rsync: link_stat "/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/securiteinfooffice.hdb" failed: No such file or directory (2) rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo production database file: securiteinfooffice.hdb - SKIPPING Clamscan reports Sanesecurity securiteinfopdf.hdb database integrity tested BAD - SKIPPING rsync: link_stat "/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/securiteinfopdf.hdb" failed: No such file or directory (2) rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo production database file: securiteinfopdf.hdb - SKIPPING Clamscan reports Sanesecurity securiteinfosh.hdb database integrity tested BAD - SKIPPING rsync: link_stat "/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/securiteinfosh.hdb" failed: No such file or directory (2) rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo production database file: securiteinfosh.hdb - SKIPPING ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/andrew%40hodgsonfamily.org From pete at bossley.me Wed Sep 9 14:04:00 2015 From: pete at bossley.me (Peter Bossley) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 12:04:00 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: BCC and bounces In-Reply-To: <55EF86B1.5040702@msapiro.net> References: <8737yq2zw6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <55EF86B1.5040702@msapiro.net> Message-ID: I think the easiest approach here is to simply set the list to FP, and live with the list address in the CC. At that point, you simply set everyone to moderated and set that action to discard. (I'm only using this for wedding updates anyway, and anyone that really knows where to look will find the list headers anyway.) -----Original Message----- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+pete=bossley.me at python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 9:09 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: BCC and bounces On 09/08/2015 02:32 PM, Peter Bossley wrote: > But it appears as though the list posting address still winds up in the CC: field even with FP turned on. It does send a message to each recipient but I am wondering how one would go about removing the list address in the CC: field to avoid people replying all. Mailman is not designed to hide the fact that its messages come from a mailing list. If a list is fully personalized, the list posting address is put in Cc: intentionally to facilitate replying to the list. This is a design decision and can only be changed by modifying the code in Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/pete%40bossley.me From cybergram at eastlink.ca Thu Sep 10 02:26:29 2015 From: cybergram at eastlink.ca (Nancy C) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 21:26:29 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Potential "Bounce" Question Message-ID: <03eb01d0eb5f$568ce880$03a6b980$@eastlink.ca> I am the admin for a group & some members frequently get warning messages like this: "Your current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0" The subscriber has done nothing wrong & these messages are usually Hotmail, yahoo & aol accounts. What can be done to reduce / eliminate these messages? Thank you Nancy From brian at emwd.com Thu Sep 10 04:35:34 2015 From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 22:35:34 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Potential "Bounce" Question In-Reply-To: <03eb01d0eb5f$568ce880$03a6b980$@eastlink.ca> References: <03eb01d0eb5f$568ce880$03a6b980$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: <1d7901d0eb71$5eb5a9e0$1c20fda0$@emwd.com> What version of Mailman are you using? It sounds like a DMARC issue going on. Brian Carpenter Owner Providing Cloud Services and more for over 15 years. T: 336.755.0685 E: brian at emwd.com www.emwd.com ? > -----Original Message----- > From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users- > bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Nancy C > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 8:26 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Potential "Bounce" Question > > I am the admin for a group & some members frequently get warning > messages > like this: > > > > "Your current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0" > > > > The subscriber has done nothing wrong & these messages are usually > Hotmail, > yahoo & aol accounts. > > > > What can be done to reduce / eliminate these messages? > > > > Thank you > > Nancy > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman- > users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman- > users/brian%40emwd.com From mark at msapiro.net Thu Sep 10 07:26:31 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 22:26:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Potential "Bounce" Question In-Reply-To: <03eb01d0eb5f$568ce880$03a6b980$@eastlink.ca> References: <03eb01d0eb5f$568ce880$03a6b980$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: <55F11487.2010006@msapiro.net> On 09/09/2015 05:26 PM, Nancy C wrote: > > The subscriber has done nothing wrong & these messages are usually Hotmail, > yahoo & aol accounts. As Brian says, it sounds like DMARC. See the FAQ article at . Also, see for background information. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From beakerboy99 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 22:44:03 2015 From: beakerboy99 at yahoo.com (Kevin Nowaczyk) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 13:44:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forbidden Mailman Archive Message-ID: <1441831443.87002.YahooMailBasic@web181704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> This seems to be a somewhat common problem, so I've looked at the archives at all the suggestions, tried everything that is recent and nothing has worked. It looks like no archives are actually being created, despite the "yes" option being selected in the list configuration. Thanks for any help. Kevin Nowaczyk I'm running mailman 2.1.18 on debian 8.2 (Jessie) mm_cfg.py has the line DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/' and no value for PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL. messing with these setting seemed to be a 10 year old issue, so I didn't play around with this for fear of breaking something else My apache config: ServerName lists.example.com DocumentRoot /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman ErrorLog /var/log/apache2/lists-error.log CustomLog /var/log/apache2/lists-access.log combined Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ Options +FollowSymLinks Order allow,deny Allow from all Alias /images/mailman/ /usr/share/images/mailman/ ScriptAlias /admin /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/admin ScriptAlias /admindb /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb ScriptAlias /confirm /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/confirm ScriptAlias /create /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/create ScriptAlias /edithtml /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/edithtml ScriptAlias /listinfo /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo ScriptAlias /options /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/options ScriptAlias /private /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/private ScriptAlias /rmlist /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/rmlist ScriptAlias /roster /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/roster ScriptAlias /subscribe /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/subscribe ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/ Directory Listing: .: total 16 drwxrwsr-x 4 root list 4096 Sep 9 20:35 . drwxrwsr-x 8 root list 4096 Jul 6 11:55 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root list 0 Sep 9 20:35 list drwxrws--- 8 www-data list 4096 Feb 24 2015 private drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Sep 9 20:04 public ./private: total 32 drwxrws--- 8 www-data list 4096 Feb 24 2015 . drwxrwsr-x 4 root list 4096 Sep 9 20:35 .. drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Sep 9 19:40 LISTNAME drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Feb 14 2014 LISTNAME.mbox drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Feb 13 2014 mailman drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Feb 13 2014 mailman.mbox ./private/LISTNAME: total 12 drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Sep 9 19:40 . drwxrws--- 8 www-data list 4096 Feb 24 2015 .. -rw-rw-r-- 1 root list 493 Feb 14 2014 index.html ./private/LISTNAME.mbox: total 8 drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Feb 14 2014 . drwxrws--- 8 www-data list 4096 Feb 24 2015 .. ./private/mailman: total 12 drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Feb 13 2014 . drwxrws--- 8 www-data list 4096 Feb 24 2015 .. -rw-rw-r-- 1 root list 506 Feb 13 2014 index.html ./private/mailman.mbox: total 8 drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Feb 13 2014 . drwxrws--- 8 www-data list 4096 Feb 24 2015 .. ./public: total 8 drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Sep 9 20:04 . drwxrwsr-x 4 root list 4096 Sep 9 20:35 .. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root list 42 Feb 14 2014 LISTNAME -> /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME lrwxrwxrwx 1 root list 41 Feb 13 2014 mailman -> /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mailman From mark at msapiro.net Thu Sep 10 09:10:06 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 00:10:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forbidden Mailman Archive In-Reply-To: <1441831443.87002.YahooMailBasic@web181704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1441831443.87002.YahooMailBasic@web181704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55F12CCE.5000803@msapiro.net> On 09/09/2015 01:44 PM, Kevin Nowaczyk via Mailman-Users wrote: > It looks like no archives are actually being > created, despite the "yes" option being selected in the list > configuration. > > Thanks for any help. Kevin Nowaczyk > > I'm running mailman 2.1.18 on debian 8.2 (Jessie) > > mm_cfg.py has the line DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/' and no > value for PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL. messing with these setting seemed to be > a 10 year old issue, so I didn't play around with this for fear of > breaking something else These are irrelevant to your problem. > My apache config: As is your apache config. It is not a web server issue. > > Directory Listing: > > > .: > total 16 > drwxrwsr-x 4 root list 4096 Sep 9 20:35 . > drwxrwsr-x 8 root list 4096 Jul 6 11:55 .. > -rw-r--r-- 1 root list 0 Sep 9 20:35 list > drwxrws--- 8 www-data list 4096 Feb 24 2015 private > drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Sep 9 20:04 public This looks OK > ./private: > total 32 > drwxrws--- 8 www-data list 4096 Feb 24 2015 . > drwxrwsr-x 4 root list 4096 Sep 9 20:35 .. > drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Sep 9 19:40 LISTNAME > drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Feb 14 2014 LISTNAME.mbox > drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Feb 13 2014 mailman > drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Feb 13 2014 mailman.mbox As does this > ./private/LISTNAME: > total 12 > drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Sep 9 19:40 . > drwxrws--- 8 www-data list 4096 Feb 24 2015 .. > -rw-rw-r-- 1 root list 493 Feb 14 2014 index.html And this says the archive is empty. > ./private/LISTNAME.mbox: > total 8 > drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Feb 14 2014 . > drwxrws--- 8 www-data list 4096 Feb 24 2015 .. And no LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox file says archiving never got far. > ./private/mailman: > total 12 > drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Feb 13 2014 . > drwxrws--- 8 www-data list 4096 Feb 24 2015 .. > -rw-rw-r-- 1 root list 506 Feb 13 2014 index.html > > ./private/mailman.mbox: > total 8 > drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Feb 13 2014 . > drwxrws--- 8 www-data list 4096 Feb 24 2015 .. Ditto for the mailman list, but it may never have gotten a post. > ./public: > total 8 > drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Sep 9 20:04 . > drwxrwsr-x 4 root list 4096 Sep 9 20:35 .. > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root list 42 Feb 14 2014 LISTNAME -> /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root list 41 Feb 13 2014 mailman -> /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/mailman OK, but not really relevant to the issue. Is ArchRunner running? Is anything in /var/lib/mailman/queue/archive? What's in /var/lib/mailman/logs/qrunner and /var/lib/mailman/logs/error? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Thu Sep 10 09:22:46 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 00:22:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forbidden Mailman Archive In-Reply-To: <1441831443.87002.YahooMailBasic@web181704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1441831443.87002.YahooMailBasic@web181704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55F12FC6.4050700@msapiro.net> On 09/09/2015 01:44 PM, Kevin Nowaczyk via Mailman-Users wrote: > This seems to be a somewhat common problem, so I've looked at the archives at all the suggestions, tried everything that is recent and nothing has worked. It looks like no archives are actually being created, despite the "yes" option being selected in the list configuration. My previous reply assumed that there had been successful posts to the list that weren't archived, but the "Forbidden" in the subject may imply that there have been no posts, but you are getting a 403 Forbidden status from apache when attempting to go to the archives. If this is the issue, the problem is probably that you have apache 2.4 and this > Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ > > Options +FollowSymLinks > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > needs to be Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ Options +FollowSymLinks Require all granted If that isn't the answer, but the issue is 403 Forbidden, what's in /var/log/apache2/lists-error.log? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From stephen at xemacs.org Thu Sep 10 10:42:37 2015 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 17:42:37 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Potential "Bounce" Question In-Reply-To: <03eb01d0eb5f$568ce880$03a6b980$@eastlink.ca> References: <03eb01d0eb5f$568ce880$03a6b980$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: <8737ym1x8i.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> @Mark & anybody else familiar with the FAQ: Some of the information below isn't in the DMARC FAQ, and some of it doesn't seem to be in FAQ at all. Pointers to relevant FAQs would be appreciated as I will update & xref in the next few days as I find time. Nancy C writes: > I am the admin for a group & some members frequently get warning messages > like this: > > "Your current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0" > > The subscriber has done nothing wrong & these messages are usually > Hotmail, yahoo & aol accounts. The subscriber may have done nothing wrong -- but they chose evil and incompetent providers. "Friends don't let friends use Yahoo! or AOL." In practice, it's really hard to get people to change providers, so I don't recommend that you try. However, these sites are actively disrupting the whole mail system (not just mailing lists) to cover up for massive security breaches leading to the leakage of millions of contact lists to professional spammers. Not nice. > What can be done to reduce / eliminate these messages? The first thing I would suggest is to upgrade Mailman. As far as I can tell, Mailman 2.1.20 doesn't send those messages, period (there's a template for it, but I can't find anywhere it's used). It sends a message when the account is disabled, and then at intervals thereafter. (Mark Sapiro would know better, though.) If it *does* send those messages, I'm sure it's triggered by actual bounces: those users are losing posts. As Brian and Mark point out, a likely cause of frequent bounces is the DMARC p=reject policy used by Yahoo! and AOL. This policy effectively requires that mail "From" a user of one of those sites be delivered directly by a mail server at those sites, a condition which cannot be satisfied by a public mailing list.[1] The most popular[2] way to address this condition is to use Mailman >= 2.1.18-1, and set the "Privacy Options > Sender Filters > dmarc_moderation_action" to "Munge From". You should review your settings in the "Reply-To header munging" section of the "General Options", as there are interactions between the DMARC moderation action and Reply-To. (In Mailman 2.1.20 several adjustments were made to improve the default settings and options available, but 2.1.18-1 and 2.1.19 are usable with care.) There are other options for your consideration, but this is by far the most popular. Another possibility is that those systems have become very paranoid about spam, and reject mail for various and sundry (ie, quite random) reasons that have nothing to do with spammy content. 1. Your external mail server should have consistent A, MX, and PTR records, and announce itself with the public domain. 2. You should publish SPF and DKIM records for the external mail server, and DKIM sign outgoing mail yourself. 3. It may help to register as a bona fide mailing list with the problem providers, and get on their feedback loops. 4. If you have a lot of resources, you could publish a DMARC record and get feedback about who is spoofing your domain, and how much. But keeping up with and analyzing that feedback could easily be somebody's full-time job, although there are options to just get summaries. Some people think that removing broken DKIM signatures is a good idea, but we recommend against that. See Mailman/Defaults.py, the setting for REMOVE_DKIM_HEADERS and the comment above it. Footnotes: [1] That's not quite true: a pure "pass through" mailing list that doesn't change any of the received content will pass the digital signature test (such a list can add header fields, but not edit subject or add a heading or footer to the body). This is unpleasant at best, and may be legally risky in some cases where the list needs to add a disclaimer. ("Legal risk" may be an urban legend, and certainly varies by jurisdiction.) [2] Personally, I just conform to Japanese Ministry of Education policy that prohibits use of Yahoo for "official communications", and for once enjoy conformance to policy hugely. ;-) From beakerboy99 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 10 13:24:31 2015 From: beakerboy99 at yahoo.com (Kevin Nowaczyk) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 04:24:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forbidden Mailman Archive In-Reply-To: <1441884231.67205.YahooMailBasic@web181701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1441884271.97579.YahooMailBasic@web181703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Changing this apache configuration allows me to see the archive. The archive only shows one message, one that I posted yesterday. There must have been some other permissions issue which prevented mailman from saving all the previous messages to the archive. Thanks for the help! Kevin Nowaczyk -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 9/10/15, Kevin Nowaczyk wrote: Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Forbidden Mailman Archive To: "Mark Sapiro" Date: Thursday, September 10, 2015, 7:23 AM Changing this apache configuration allows me to see the archive. The archive only shows one message, one that I posted yesterday. There must have been some other permissions issue which prevented mailman from saving all the previous messages to the archive. Thanks for the help! Kevin Nowaczyk -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 9/10/15, Mark Sapiro wrote: Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Forbidden Mailman Archive To: mailman-users at python.org Date: Thursday, September 10, 2015, 3:22 AM On 09/09/2015 01:44 PM, Kevin Nowaczyk via Mailman-Users wrote: > This seems to be a somewhat common problem, so I've looked at the archives at all the suggestions, tried everything that is recent and nothing has worked. It looks like no archives are actually being created, despite the "yes" option being selected in the list configuration. My previous reply assumed that there had been successful posts to the list that weren't archived, but the "Forbidden" in the subject may imply that there have been no posts, but you are getting a 403 Forbidden status from apache when attempting to go to the archives. If this is the issue, the problem is probably that you have apache 2.4 and this > Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ > >? ???Options +FollowSymLinks >? ???Order allow,deny >? ???Allow from all > needs to be Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ ? ? Options +FollowSymLinks ? ? Require all granted If that isn't the answer, but the issue is 403 Forbidden, what's in /var/log/apache2/lists-error.log? -- Mark Sapiro ? ? ? ? The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California? ? better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/beakerboy99%40yahoo.com From beakerboy99 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 10 17:19:12 2015 From: beakerboy99 at yahoo.com (Kevin Nowaczyk) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 08:19:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Bounce Problems Message-ID: <1441898352.77977.YahooMailBasic@web181705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hey everyone. The mailing list archive issue that I was inquiring about is a pretty low-volume list. When looking into the archive problem, i saw there were some messages listed in /var/lib/mailman/logs/post that I never received. When looking at the member list, most of my list members were no longer receiving emails due to excessive bounces. I have it set to notify the admin (my gmail account) when a user is disabled, but I've never received a notification. I enabled notification when a message I send to the list is sent out, and I receive that notification, but nobody receives the message. Admin emails from mailman go through just fine, but any message posted to the list does not. I have an IMAP email account on the same server which hosts the mailman instance, and it seems to get all my test messages that I post just fine, but all yahoo, windstream, gmail, etc get bounced. an example line from the /var/log/mail.info file is: Sep 10 12:49:21 bunsen postfix/smtp[4616]: 0DF621C375: to=, relay=mail-tester.com[94.23.206.89]:25, delay=2.6, delays=0.03/0.07/0.86/1.6, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host mail-tester.com[94.23.206.89] said: 550 Message Contains SUSPECT Content :: Please contact abuse at fortressitx.com for further information. (in reply to end of DATA command)) I've been using the services at mail-tester.com to ensure that my domain keys, DMARC, and SPF are all set well. You can see those results here (http://www.mail-tester.com/web-p6036H). I deleted the entire mailing list after exporting the 114 email address, and remade the list, and it behaves the same. The odd thing is, I have another mailing list on the same server with only 6 members, and it seems to be working fine! Any clue where to look? I've contacted abuse at fortressitx.com and received no reply. Thanks, Kevin Nowaczyk From mark at msapiro.net Thu Sep 10 17:44:06 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 08:44:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forbidden Mailman Archive In-Reply-To: <1441884271.97579.YahooMailBasic@web181703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1441884271.97579.YahooMailBasic@web181703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55F1A546.4090201@msapiro.net> On 09/10/2015 04:24 AM, Kevin Nowaczyk via Mailman-Users wrote: > Changing this apache configuration allows me to see the archive. The archive only shows one message, one that I posted yesterday. There must have been some other permissions issue which prevented mailman from saving all the previous messages to the archive. If there was some issue that prevented earlier messages from being archived, the messages may have encountered some exception causing them to be shunted. If so, Mailman's error log (/var/lib/mailman/logs/error in your case) will have more info, and the messages will probably be in the shunt queue (/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/shunt/). The shunted messages can be viewed with Mailman's bin/show_qfiles tool and requeued for the archive with bin/unshunt. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Thu Sep 10 18:43:34 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 09:43:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Bounce Problems In-Reply-To: <1441898352.77977.YahooMailBasic@web181705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1441898352.77977.YahooMailBasic@web181705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55F1B336.2080409@msapiro.net> On 09/10/2015 08:19 AM, Kevin Nowaczyk via Mailman-Users wrote: > I have it set to notify the admin (my gmail > account) when a user is disabled, but I've never received a > notification. Was bounce_notify_owner_on_disable set to yes before the member's delivery was disabled? If so, what does your postfix log say about the notification mail to you? > I enabled notification when a message I send to the > list is sent out, and I receive that notification, but nobody > receives the message. And what does postfix say about those deliveries, assuming the member's delivery was enabled. Note that if you are posting from Yahoo and you don't have DMARC mitigations enabled for your list, that is likely a reason. See the wiki at and . > Admin emails from mailman go through just fine, > but any message posted to the list does not. I have an IMAP email > account on the same server which hosts the mailman instance, and it > seems to get all my test messages that I post just fine, but all > yahoo, windstream, gmail, etc get bounced. > > an example line from the /var/log/mail.info file is: > > Sep 10 12:49:21 bunsen postfix/smtp[4616]: 0DF621C375: > to=, > relay=mail-tester.com[94.23.206.89]:25, delay=2.6, > delays=0.03/0.07/0.86/1.6, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host > mail-tester.com[94.23.206.89] said: 550 Message Contains SUSPECT > Content :: Please contact abuse at fortressitx.com for further > information. (in reply to end of DATA command)) So the MX at mail-tester.com is not accepting the mail because they say the Message Contains SUSPECT Content. Only they can tell you why. But is this a list message? If so, why is it being relayed to mail-tester.com. What are some log messages for mail to list members that is undeliverable?. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Thu Sep 10 18:56:49 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 09:56:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Potential "Bounce" Question In-Reply-To: <8737ym1x8i.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <03eb01d0eb5f$568ce880$03a6b980$@eastlink.ca> <8737ym1x8i.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: <55F1B651.5010907@msapiro.net> On 09/10/2015 01:42 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > @Mark & anybody else familiar with the FAQ: Some of the information > below isn't in the DMARC FAQ, and some of it doesn't seem to be in FAQ > at all. Pointers to relevant FAQs would be appreciated as I will > update & xref in the next few days as I find time. Thanks Steve. Currently, the only two wiki articles are and . Updating, xrefing and possibly a new article will all be good. > Nancy C writes: > > > I am the admin for a group & some members frequently get warning messages > > like this: > > > > "Your current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0" ... > > What can be done to reduce / eliminate these messages? > > The first thing I would suggest is to upgrade Mailman. As far as I > can tell, Mailman 2.1.20 doesn't send those messages, period (there's > a template for it, but I can't find anywhere it's used). That actual message is not sent in an email notice, but it does appear on the user's 'options' page if the user's score is > 0. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dmofot at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 17:17:39 2015 From: dmofot at gmail.com (DT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 11:17:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Approval Emails Not Sent Message-ID: Mailman version 2.1.16 Installed via apt-get Server OS is Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS MTA is postfix version 2.11.0 When a user subscribes to the email list, an approval email is not being sent to the admins/moderators. The variables admin_immed_notify and admin_notify_mchanges are set to yes. The subscribe requests are getting picked up during the daily cron job and an email is then sent at 8:00 AM. Test emails to -owner work internally from postfix and when sent externally from gmail. Here's a link to all the log file snippets from the time of the subscribe request: https://gist.github.com/dmofot/c367151ba262f476c2c6 Any ideas where to start troubleshooting this issue? DT From dmofot at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 17:53:32 2015 From: dmofot at gmail.com (DT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 11:53:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleted initial mailman list Message-ID: Recently, I was troubleshooting another issue and decided to get rid of some old testing lists. I removed the mailman list that I initially created on setup. Looking through the archives, I found this thread - http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg30391.html - which basically says don't delete. The thread is from 2005, but does this still hold true? If so, can I simply issue a newlist command and recreate the mailman list or is there some other method? Thanks! DT From mark at msapiro.net Fri Sep 11 01:43:29 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 16:43:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleted initial mailman list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55F215A1.8080804@msapiro.net> On 09/10/2015 08:53 AM, DT wrote: > Recently, I was troubleshooting another issue and decided to get rid of > some old testing lists. I removed the mailman list that I initially > created on setup. Looking through the archives, I found this thread - > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg30391.html - > which basically says don't delete. The thread is from 2005, but does this > still hold true? You must have the site list for various reasons, the most important of which is that mailmanctl will refuse to start Mailman if it isn't there. > If so, can I simply issue a newlist command and recreate the mailman list > or is there some other method? Thanks! Yes, you can use newlist to create it. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Fri Sep 11 02:06:00 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 17:06:00 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Approval Emails Not Sent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55F21AE8.3050009@msapiro.net> On 09/10/2015 08:17 AM, DT wrote: > > Test emails to -owner work internally from postfix and when sent externally > from gmail. OK. > Here's a link to all the log file snippets from the time of the subscribe > request: > https://gist.github.com/dmofot/c367151ba262f476c2c6 > > Any ideas where to start troubleshooting this issue? There are things missing, perhaps because they didn't happen or because you didn't include them. Here's what I see and what I expect. Your smtp log: Sep 09 14:41:45 2015 (7788) smtp to wort for 1 recips, completed in 0.052 seconds This is the notice being sent to wort-owner. There should be a subsequent entry with the same message-id for 'n' recips where n is the total number of owners and moderators. That is the delivery of the message from wort-owner to the owners and moderators. log :: mail.log ... Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd postfix/pickup[9566]: 79FF9C0727: uid=1001 from= Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd postfix/cleanup[9597]: 79FF9C0727: message-id= Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd opendkim[1226]: 79FF9C0727: no signing table match for 'wort-owner at wort.org' Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd opendkim[1226]: 79FF9C0727: no signature data Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd postfix/qmgr[8528]: 79FF9C0727: from=, size=1492, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Sep 9 14:41:51 davidtodd postfix/smtp[9602]: 79FF9C0727: to=, relay=mailroom5.hostrocket.com[66.147.229.200]:25, delay=6.2, delays=0.02/0.01/5.4/0.73, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK id=1ZZkJb-0003U2-Lm) Sep 9 14:41:51 davidtodd postfix/qmgr[8528]: 79FF9C0727: removed The above is the delivery of the message to wort-owner. It should be delivered to a pipe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman wort owner" to get to mailman, not relayed to mailroom5.hostrocket.com. This may explain the issue, but then how does mail simply sent to wort-owner work? log :: error You apparently have enabled smtplib debugging as in the FAQ at , but this tells us nothing new that we don't already see in the smtp and mail.log logs. log :: syslog And likewise syslog Bottom line - If you are showing everything, the notice to wort-owner is being relayed to mailroom5.hostrocket.com and never gets to Mailman for delivery to the actual owner and moderator addresses. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Fri Sep 11 02:11:58 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 17:11:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Approval Emails Not Sent In-Reply-To: <55F21AE8.3050009@msapiro.net> References: <55F21AE8.3050009@msapiro.net> Message-ID: <55F21C4E.6090603@msapiro.net> On 09/10/2015 05:06 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > The above is the delivery of the message to wort-owner. It should be > delivered to a pipe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman wort owner" ... Actually, the pipe should be something like "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner wort" rather than 'wort owner'. This is one of the 10 required aliases for the list unless you deliver to Mailman via some other method. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dmofot at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 02:44:47 2015 From: dmofot at gmail.com (DT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 20:44:47 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleted initial mailman list In-Reply-To: <55F215A1.8080804@msapiro.net> References: <55F215A1.8080804@msapiro.net> Message-ID: Great, thanks Mark. I ran newlist and did a mailmanctl restart and everything came right back up and appears to be working. Thanks again! On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 09/10/2015 08:53 AM, DT wrote: > > Recently, I was troubleshooting another issue and decided to get rid of > > some old testing lists. I removed the mailman list that I initially > > created on setup. Looking through the archives, I found this thread - > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg30391.html - > > which basically says don't delete. The thread is from 2005, but does > this > > still hold true? > > > You must have the site list for various reasons, the most important of > which is that mailmanctl will refuse to start Mailman if it isn't there. > > > > If so, can I simply issue a newlist command and recreate the mailman list > > or is there some other method? Thanks! > > > Yes, you can use newlist to create it. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/dmofot%40gmail.com > From dmofot at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 03:01:21 2015 From: dmofot at gmail.com (DT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 21:01:21 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Approval Emails Not Sent In-Reply-To: <55F21AE8.3050009@msapiro.net> References: <55F21AE8.3050009@msapiro.net> Message-ID: Ok, so maybe this has to do with the setup. The list is for a club who has shared hosting for web and email at HostRocket for wort.org. The list was always hosted somewhere else. They were having some other issues and I migrated the list to my server, davidtodd.info. All the wort.org emails (even the list ones) are on the HostRocket server and they forward to the same address with a davidtodd.info domain. So wort-owner at wort.org is at HostRocket and forwards to wort-owner at davidtodd.info where the list is actually hosted. When users post to the list, they send to wort at wort.org, which forwards to wort at davidtodd.info...and on and on. Users have no issues posting to the list and sending an email to wort-owner at wort.org (which forwards) works. An email to wort-admin at wort.org successfully results in a bounce. On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 09/10/2015 08:17 AM, DT wrote: > > > > Test emails to -owner work internally from postfix and when sent > externally > > from gmail. > > > OK. > > > > Here's a link to all the log file snippets from the time of the subscribe > > request: > > https://gist.github.com/dmofot/c367151ba262f476c2c6 > > > > Any ideas where to start troubleshooting this issue? > > > There are things missing, perhaps because they didn't happen or because > you didn't include them. Here's what I see and what I expect. > > > Your smtp log: > Sep 09 14:41:45 2015 (7788) > smtp to wort for 1 recips, completed in 0.052 seconds > > This is the notice being sent to wort-owner. There should be a > subsequent entry with the same message-id for 'n' recips where n is the > total number of owners and moderators. That is the delivery of the > message from wort-owner to the owners and moderators. > > log :: mail.log > > ... > Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd postfix/pickup[9566]: 79FF9C0727: uid=1001 > from= > Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd postfix/cleanup[9597]: 79FF9C0727: > message-id= > Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd opendkim[1226]: 79FF9C0727: no signing table > match for 'wort-owner at wort.org' > Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd opendkim[1226]: 79FF9C0727: no signature data > Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd postfix/qmgr[8528]: 79FF9C0727: > from=, size=1492, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Sep 9 14:41:51 davidtodd postfix/smtp[9602]: 79FF9C0727: > to=, > relay=mailroom5.hostrocket.com[66.147.229.200]:25, delay=6.2, > delays=0.02/0.01/5.4/0.73, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK > id=1ZZkJb-0003U2-Lm) > Sep 9 14:41:51 davidtodd postfix/qmgr[8528]: 79FF9C0727: removed > > > The above is the delivery of the message to wort-owner. It should be > delivered to a pipe "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman wort owner" to get > to mailman, not relayed to mailroom5.hostrocket.com. This may explain > the issue, but then how does mail simply sent to wort-owner work? > > > log :: error > > > You apparently have enabled smtplib debugging as in the FAQ at > , but this tells us nothing new that we > don't already see in the smtp and mail.log logs. > > > log :: syslog > > And likewise syslog > > Bottom line - If you are showing everything, the notice to wort-owner is > being relayed to mailroom5.hostrocket.com and never gets to Mailman for > delivery to the actual owner and moderator addresses. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/dmofot%40gmail.com > From mark at msapiro.net Fri Sep 11 03:11:16 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 18:11:16 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Approval Emails Not Sent In-Reply-To: References: <55F21AE8.3050009@msapiro.net> Message-ID: <55F22A34.5030301@msapiro.net> On 09/10/2015 06:01 PM, DT wrote: > > All the wort.org emails (even the list ones) are on > the HostRocket server and they forward to the same address with a > davidtodd.info domain. So wort-owner at wort.org > is at HostRocket and forwards to > wort-owner at davidtodd.info where the > list is actually hosted. > > log :: mail.log > > ... > Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd postfix/pickup[9566]: 79FF9C0727: uid=1001 from= > Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd postfix/cleanup[9597]: 79FF9C0727: message-id= > Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd opendkim[1226]: 79FF9C0727: no signing table match for 'wort-owner at wort.org' > Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd opendkim[1226]: 79FF9C0727: no signature data > Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd postfix/qmgr[8528]: 79FF9C0727: from=, size=1492, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Sep 9 14:41:51 davidtodd postfix/smtp[9602]: 79FF9C0727: to=, relay=mailroom5.hostrocket.com[66.147.229.200]:25, delay=6.2, delays=0.02/0.01/5.4/0.73, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK id=1ZZkJb-0003U2-Lm) > Sep 9 14:41:51 davidtodd postfix/qmgr[8528]: 79FF9C0727: removed OK, so the above message was delivered to mailroom5.hostrocket.com for wort-owner at wort.org with mailroom5.hostrocket.com smtp id 1ZZkJb-0003U2-Lm and should have come back to wort-owner at davidtodd.info. Did it come back? Was it delivered to Mailman. What do the logs on davidtodd.info say about it? If it didn't come back, hostrocket accepted it and then discarded it. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dmofot at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 05:39:44 2015 From: dmofot at gmail.com (DT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 23:39:44 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Approval Emails Not Sent In-Reply-To: <55F22A34.5030301@msapiro.net> References: <55F21AE8.3050009@msapiro.net> <55F22A34.5030301@msapiro.net> Message-ID: Nothing in the logs on davidtodd.info indicate that it came back. Unfortunately, HostRocket doesn't allow shared users access to any of the system logs other than apache, so I can't easily check to see if they received it and discarded it. I'll submit a trouble ticket to see if I can get access. On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 09/10/2015 06:01 PM, DT wrote: > > > > All the wort.org emails (even the list ones) are on > > the HostRocket server and they forward to the same address with a > > davidtodd.info domain. So wort-owner at wort.org > > is at HostRocket and forwards to > > wort-owner at davidtodd.info where the > > list is actually hosted. > > > > log :: mail.log > > > > ... > > Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd postfix/pickup[9566]: 79FF9C0727: uid=1001 > from= > > Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd postfix/cleanup[9597]: 79FF9C0727: message-id=< > mailman.0.1441824103.9593.wort at wort.org> > > Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd opendkim[1226]: 79FF9C0727: no signing table > match for 'wort-owner at wort.org' > > Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd opendkim[1226]: 79FF9C0727: no signature data > > Sep 9 14:41:45 davidtodd postfix/qmgr[8528]: 79FF9C0727: from=< > wort-bounces at wort.org>, size=1492, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > > Sep 9 14:41:51 davidtodd postfix/smtp[9602]: 79FF9C0727: to=< > wort-owner at wort.org>, relay=mailroom5.hostrocket.com[66.147.229.200]:25, > delay=6.2, delays=0.02/0.01/5.4/0.73, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK > id=1ZZkJb-0003U2-Lm) > > Sep 9 14:41:51 davidtodd postfix/qmgr[8528]: 79FF9C0727: removed > > > OK, so the above message was delivered to mailroom5.hostrocket.com for > wort-owner at wort.org with mailroom5.hostrocket.com smtp id > 1ZZkJb-0003U2-Lm and should have come back to wort-owner at davidtodd.info. > > Did it come back? Was it delivered to Mailman. What do the logs on > davidtodd.info say about it? > > If it didn't come back, hostrocket accepted it and then discarded it. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > From mark at msapiro.net Fri Sep 11 06:02:11 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 21:02:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Approval Emails Not Sent In-Reply-To: References: <55F21AE8.3050009@msapiro.net> <55F22A34.5030301@msapiro.net> Message-ID: <55F25243.7010900@msapiro.net> On 09/10/2015 08:39 PM, DT wrote: > Nothing in the logs on davidtodd.info indicate > that it came back. Unfortunately, HostRocket doesn't allow shared users > access to any of the system logs other than apache, so I can't easily > check to see if they received it and discarded it. I'll submit a > trouble ticket to see if I can get access. This message says they received and accepted it. > Sep 9 14:41:51 davidtodd postfix/smtp[9602]: 79FF9C0727: to=, relay=mailroom5.hostrocket.com[66.147.229.200]:25, delay=6.2, delays=0.02/0.01/5.4/0.73, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK id=1ZZkJb-0003U2-Lm) They responded to the SMTP delivery with (250 OK id=1ZZkJb-0003U2-Lm) which means they accepted it at SMTP time. Ask them what happened to this message that they received at Sep 9 14:41:51 with their smtp id 1ZZkJb-0003U2-Lm because it was supposed to be relayed back to wort-owner at davidtodd.info and never arrived. You might be better off teaching your postfix to deliver Mailman mail directly rather that relaying it through hostrocket. Given that you said earlier that mail you send directly to wort-owner at wort.org does get properly delivered as does the daily summary, I suspect that hostrocket for some reason thinks the immediate notice is spam and just tosses it. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dmofot at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 06:48:51 2015 From: dmofot at gmail.com (DT) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 00:48:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Approval Emails Not Sent In-Reply-To: <55F25243.7010900@msapiro.net> References: <55F21AE8.3050009@msapiro.net> <55F22A34.5030301@msapiro.net> <55F25243.7010900@msapiro.net> Message-ID: Ok, trouble ticket submitted to see if they can confirm why they are discarding the immediate notice. Off to read up on postfix to see if I can figure out the teaching it to deliver directly to Mailman. Thanks for the suggestion and I'll be sure to update once I hear back from my ticket. On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:02 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 09/10/2015 08:39 PM, DT wrote: > > Nothing in the logs on davidtodd.info indicate > > that it came back. Unfortunately, HostRocket doesn't allow shared users > > access to any of the system logs other than apache, so I can't easily > > check to see if they received it and discarded it. I'll submit a > > trouble ticket to see if I can get access. > > > This message says they received and accepted it. > > > > Sep 9 14:41:51 davidtodd postfix/smtp[9602]: 79FF9C0727: to=< > wort-owner at wort.org>, relay=mailroom5.hostrocket.com[66.147.229.200]:25, > delay=6.2, delays=0.02/0.01/5.4/0.73, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK > id=1ZZkJb-0003U2-Lm) > > > They responded to the SMTP delivery with (250 OK id=1ZZkJb-0003U2-Lm) > which means they accepted it at SMTP time. Ask them what happened to > this message that they received at Sep 9 14:41:51 with their smtp id > 1ZZkJb-0003U2-Lm because it was supposed to be relayed back to > wort-owner at davidtodd.info and never arrived. > > You might be better off teaching your postfix to deliver Mailman mail > directly rather that relaying it through hostrocket. > > Given that you said earlier that mail you send directly to > wort-owner at wort.org does get properly delivered as does the daily > summary, I suspect that hostrocket for some reason thinks the immediate > notice is spam and just tosses it. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > From mark at msapiro.net Fri Sep 11 17:16:59 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 08:16:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Approval Emails Not Sent In-Reply-To: References: <55F21AE8.3050009@msapiro.net> <55F22A34.5030301@msapiro.net> <55F25243.7010900@msapiro.net> Message-ID: <55F2F06B.8000809@msapiro.net> On 09/10/2015 09:48 PM, DT wrote: > > Off to read up on postfix to see if I can figure out the teaching it to > deliver directly to Mailman. Thanks for the suggestion and I'll be sure > to update once I hear back from my ticket. You may find the FAQ article at helpful. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From dmofot at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 20:47:27 2015 From: dmofot at gmail.com (DT) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 14:47:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Approval Emails Not Sent In-Reply-To: References: <55F21AE8.3050009@msapiro.net> <55F22A34.5030301@msapiro.net> <55F25243.7010900@msapiro.net> Message-ID: Here's a final update now that this is finally sorted out. It was just as Mark said, HostRocket was catching the immediate notifications in some spam filter. After submitting a trouble ticket, they adjusted their filter and it hasn't been a problem since. > You may find the FAQ article at helpful. Thanks again Mark. All the examples appear to be for doing a transport of an entire domain, but I did find this - http://www.docunext.com/blog/2011/01/using-postfix-transport-maps-for-email-address-specific-aliasing.html - which I think will allow me to internally route just the mailman specific addresses for the wort.org domain locally. On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:48 AM, DT wrote: > Ok, trouble ticket submitted to see if they can confirm why they are > discarding the immediate notice. > > Off to read up on postfix to see if I can figure out the teaching it to > deliver directly to Mailman. Thanks for the suggestion and I'll be sure to > update once I hear back from my ticket. > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:02 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> On 09/10/2015 08:39 PM, DT wrote: >> > Nothing in the logs on davidtodd.info indicate >> > that it came back. Unfortunately, HostRocket doesn't allow shared users >> > access to any of the system logs other than apache, so I can't easily >> > check to see if they received it and discarded it. I'll submit a >> > trouble ticket to see if I can get access. >> >> >> This message says they received and accepted it. >> >> >> > Sep 9 14:41:51 davidtodd postfix/smtp[9602]: 79FF9C0727: to=< >> wort-owner at wort.org>, relay=mailroom5.hostrocket.com[66.147.229.200]:25, >> delay=6.2, delays=0.02/0.01/5.4/0.73, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK >> id=1ZZkJb-0003U2-Lm) >> >> >> They responded to the SMTP delivery with (250 OK id=1ZZkJb-0003U2-Lm) >> which means they accepted it at SMTP time. Ask them what happened to >> this message that they received at Sep 9 14:41:51 with their smtp id >> 1ZZkJb-0003U2-Lm because it was supposed to be relayed back to >> wort-owner at davidtodd.info and never arrived. >> >> You might be better off teaching your postfix to deliver Mailman mail >> directly rather that relaying it through hostrocket. >> >> Given that you said earlier that mail you send directly to >> wort-owner at wort.org does get properly delivered as does the daily >> summary, I suspect that hostrocket for some reason thinks the immediate >> notice is spam and just tosses it. >> >> -- >> Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> > > From mark at msapiro.net Tue Sep 15 04:55:59 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:55:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Approval Emails Not Sent In-Reply-To: References: <55F21AE8.3050009@msapiro.net> <55F22A34.5030301@msapiro.net> <55F25243.7010900@msapiro.net> Message-ID: <55F788BF.1040501@msapiro.net> On 09/14/2015 11:47 AM, DT wrote: > Here's a final update now that this is finally sorted out. It was just > as Mark said, HostRocket was catching the immediate notifications in > some spam filter. After submitting a trouble ticket, they adjusted > their filter and it hasn't been a problem since. > >> You may find the FAQ article at helpful. > > Thanks again Mark. All the examples appear to be for doing a transport > of an entire domain, but I did find this > - http://www.docunext.com/blog/2011/01/using-postfix-transport-maps-for-email-address-specific-aliasing.html > - which I think will allow me to internally route just the mailman > specific addresses for the wort.org domain locally. Actually, the FAQ article at tells you how to modify Mailman's existing postfix integration facility to create transport maps to route list addresses only to Postfix's local transport. I don't know what you saw in that article, but the third paragraph specifically says "Some people find these features insufficient as they want to use some specific transport or other mapping for Mailman list addresses that is *not* applied to all addresses in the list domain(s). The following is a way to automate the generation of some Postfix map via editing the Mailman generated virtual-mailman file." (emphasis mine) -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From fsantiago at deviltracks.net Mon Sep 14 21:31:54 2015 From: fsantiago at deviltracks.net (fsantiago at deviltracks.net) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 15:31:54 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3.0 + Qmail support Message-ID: Hello, Any plans to support qmail with Mailman 3.0+ ? From mark at msapiro.net Tue Sep 15 05:38:03 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 20:38:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3.0 + Qmail support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55F7929B.7070800@msapiro.net> On 09/14/2015 12:31 PM, fsantiago at deviltracks.net wrote: > Hello, > > Any plans to support qmail with Mailman 3.0+ ? Questions about Mailman 3 and particularly Postorius and Hyperkitty are better posted to the mailman-developers at python.org list . Please join that list if you are not already a member and post there. That said, we would gladly accept a contribution. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From stephen at xemacs.org Tue Sep 15 10:29:18 2015 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:29:18 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3.0 + Qmail support In-Reply-To: <55F7929B.7070800@msapiro.net> References: <55F7929B.7070800@msapiro.net> Message-ID: <87y4g8xezl.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Mark Sapiro writes: > On 09/14/2015 12:31 PM, fsantiago at deviltracks.net wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Any plans to support qmail with Mailman 3.0+ ? > > Questions about Mailman 3 and particularly Postorius and Hyperkitty are > better posted to the mailman-developers at python.org list ML Meta: Now that Mailman 3 has been released, I think we're just going to have to deal with "what can Mailman 3 do?" questions on this list. There are no *plans* to support Qmail: none of the Mailman developers use it. I would imagine there will be no support in Mailman 3.0, since it's already been released. I think it very unlikely that there will be support in Mailman 3.1, since noone has stepped forward to offer it yet, and we're hoping to release Mailman 3.1 on a time scale of months. > That said, we would gladly accept a contribution. +0.5, or +1 if it comes with expectation of continued support from the contributor for a couple of years. Please do discuss contributions on the developers' list. From tom.browder at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 16:25:42 2015 From: tom.browder at gmail.com (Tom Browder) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:25:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?" Message-ID: The installation instructions are a little confusing, but I take away from them the best (almost default) choice for owner:group for the "/usr/local/mailman" ($prefix) directory is 'mailman'. Any other opinions or recommendations? Thanks. Best regards, -Tom From ovh at forum-pc.net Tue Sep 15 15:50:43 2015 From: ovh at forum-pc.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Camille_Olli=c3=a9?=) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:50:43 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple "Re:" in subject Message-ID: <55F82233.3010606@forum-pc.net> Hi, i've installed Mailman3 on my Debian server. It works fine but i have a little problem : all replied messages have more "Re:" in Subject and i've not found where to control/remove it. Any idea ? Regards. PS : google not helped me. From mark at msapiro.net Tue Sep 15 17:07:39 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 08:07:39 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple "Re:" in subject In-Reply-To: <55F82233.3010606@forum-pc.net> References: <55F82233.3010606@forum-pc.net> Message-ID: <55F8343B.1070606@msapiro.net> On 09/15/2015 06:50 AM, Camille Olli? wrote: > > i've installed Mailman3 on my Debian server. > > It works fine but i have a little problem : all replied messages have > more "Re:" in Subject and i've not found where to control/remove it. This reply will have Re: in the subject. I don't think Mailman will try to remove either my Re: or your original "Re:", but it may. so my subject as sent will be: Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple "Re:" in subject And I think it will go to the list that way. The issue is someone else may reply to my reply and her MUA (mail client) may create a subject Subject: Re: Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple "Re:" in subject This is strictly an issue with her MUA and depends on the MUA she uses. Mailman does make some modifications to the Subject: header involved with prefixing (adding [Mailman-Users] in this case), and those modifications also attempt to collapse multiple Re: but they aren't perfect, and the algorithm varies depending on site settings and whether or not the list is set up for numbering in subject_prefix. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From mark at msapiro.net Tue Sep 15 17:15:07 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 08:15:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55F835FB.2060707@msapiro.net> On 09/15/2015 07:25 AM, Tom Browder wrote: > The installation instructions are a little confusing, but I take away > from them the best (almost default) choice for owner:group for the > "/usr/local/mailman" ($prefix) directory is 'mailman'. The group must be 'mailman' (or whatever name you configured via the --with-groupname option to configure). The owner is not critical. It is usually also 'mailman' (or whatever name you configured via the --with-username option to configure), but it really can be anything. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From tom.browder at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 17:17:05 2015 From: tom.browder at gmail.com (Tom Browder) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 10:17:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?" In-Reply-To: <55F835FB.2060707@msapiro.net> References: <55F835FB.2060707@msapiro.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 09/15/2015 07:25 AM, Tom Browder wrote: >> The installation instructions are a little confusing, but I take away >> from them the best (almost default) choice for owner:group for the >> "/usr/local/mailman" ($prefix) directory is 'mailman'. ... > --with-groupname option to configure). The owner is not critical. It is > usually also 'mailman' (or whatever name you configured via the > --with-username option to configure), but it really can be anything. Thanks so much, Mark! Best, -Tom From david at midrange.com Tue Sep 15 18:17:27 2015 From: david at midrange.com (Gibbs, David) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 11:17:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking or holding subscribe requests when email address contains "+" Message-ID: Folks: I'm looking for a way to block, or preferably hold for approval, subscribe requests where the email address contains a plus sign. I've been getting a lot of subscribe requests from bogus email addresses that look like: adfslij+32987234 at gmail.com. Any suggestions? Thanks! david -- IBM i on Power Systems: For when you can't afford to be out of business! I'm riding 100 miles (a full century) in the American Diabetes Association's Tour de Cure to raise money for diabetes research, education, advocacy, and awareness. You can make a tax deductible donation to my ride by visiting http://gmanesig.diabetessucks.net. My goal is $6000 but any amount is appreciated. See where I get my donations from ... visit http://gmanesig.diabetessucks.net/map for an interactive map (it's a geeky thing). From stephen at xemacs.org Tue Sep 15 18:30:17 2015 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:30:17 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87vbbby7ae.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Tom Browder writes: > The installation instructions are a little confusing, but I take away > from them the best (almost default) choice for owner:group for the > "/usr/local/mailman" ($prefix) directory is 'mailman'. It doesn't matter what the name is. You may wish to use a predefined name provided by the OS distribution (for example, Debian uses "list", not "mailman"). AFAIK there is no particular need to have the owner of Mailman code or data be the mailman user. For example, on Debian systems root is the owner of all the executables mentioned below, as well as most of the data directories. The important thing about the mailman user is that it is a member of the mailman group (typically the only member of that group). It is important that the cgi-bin executables be setgid and have the mailman group, that scripts/mailman have the mailman group, and that the Mailman writable data (archives, data, lists, messages, qfiles, spam) have the mailman group. It also does matter that the user and group have privileges only in Mailman file hierarchies, that there be no other members of the group (except possibly an admin's account, but I consider that an unnecessary risk) and that the name be used appropriately in any application that setuids or setgids to manipulate Mailman data (ISTR there may be some MTA that does). Bottom line: If I were you, I'd make sure that the mailman group and user are set up properly, and then do "chown root:mailman /usr/local/mailman" (root because I suppose Debian has a reason for doing that ;-). From Richard at Damon-family.org Tue Sep 15 18:31:00 2015 From: Richard at Damon-family.org (Richard Damon) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:31:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking or holding subscribe requests when email address contains "+" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D9E0355-7423-4FAA-A147-CD3679EDECC3@Damon-family.org> The only thing I can think of is to require approval of all subscriptions (and maybe confirmation) and then build a regexp to auto approve all addresses without a + in them. I don't know how this will interact with the ban list (if you need that). > On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Gibbs, David wrote: > > Folks: > > I'm looking for a way to block, or preferably hold for approval, subscribe requests where the email address contains a plus sign. > > I've been getting a lot of subscribe requests from bogus email addresses that look like: adfslij+32987234 at gmail.com. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks! > > david > > -- > IBM i on Power Systems: For when you can't afford to be out of business! > > I'm riding 100 miles (a full century) in the American Diabetes Association's Tour de Cure to raise money for diabetes research, education, advocacy, and awareness. You can make a tax deductible donation to my ride by visiting http://gmanesig.diabetessucks.net. My goal is $6000 but any amount is appreciated. > > See where I get my donations from ... visit http://gmanesig.diabetessucks.net/map for an interactive map (it's a geeky thing). > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/richard%40damon-family.org From david at midrange.com Tue Sep 15 18:33:35 2015 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 11:33:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking or holding subscribe requests when email address contains "+" In-Reply-To: <5D9E0355-7423-4FAA-A147-CD3679EDECC3@Damon-family.org> References: <5D9E0355-7423-4FAA-A147-CD3679EDECC3@Damon-family.org> Message-ID: <55F8485F.3050502@midrange.com> On 9/15/2015 11:31 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > The only thing I can think of is to require approval of all > subscriptions (and maybe confirmation) and then build a regexp to > auto approve all addresses without a + in them. I don't know how this > will interact with the ban list (if you need that). Unfortunately, Mailman sends out the confirmation email before requiring approval. I want to stop (or hold) the subscription request before the confirmation message goes out. Maybe I have to look into a captcha integration? david -- IBM i on Power Systems: For when you can't afford to be out of business! I'm riding 100 miles (a full century) in the American Diabetes Association's Tour de Cure to raise money for diabetes research, education, advocacy, and awareness. You can make a tax deductible donation to my ride by visiting http://emailsig.diabetessucks.net. My goal is $6000 but any amount is appreciated. See where I get my donations from ... visit http://emailsig.diabetessucks.net/map for an interactive map (it's a geeky thing). From tom.browder at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 18:45:27 2015 From: tom.browder at gmail.com (Tom Browder) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 11:45:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?" In-Reply-To: <87vbbby7ae.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87vbbby7ae.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Tom Browder writes: > > > The installation instructions are a little confusing, but I take away > > from them the best (almost default) choice for owner:group for the > > "/usr/local/mailman" ($prefix) directory is 'mailman'. > > It doesn't matter what the name is. You may wish to use a predefined ... > Bottom line: If I were you, I'd make sure that the mailman group and > user are set up properly, and then do "chown root:mailman Steve, thanks for some good info, but no 'chown -R'? Best, -Tom From mark at msapiro.net Tue Sep 15 18:58:32 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:58:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?" In-Reply-To: References: <87vbbby7ae.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: On September 15, 2015 9:45:27 AM PDT, Tom Browder wrote: >On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull > wrote: >> Bottom line: If I were you, I'd make sure that the mailman group and >> user are set up properly, and then do "chown root:mailman > >Steve, thanks for some good info, but no 'chown -R'? If you have Mailman-Postfix integration, you don't want to set the owner of Mailman's data/aliases.db to root. Mailman's bin/check_perms is the safer way to fix ownership and permissions. -- Mark Sapiro Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software. From tom.browder at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 19:35:06 2015 From: tom.browder at gmail.com (Tom Browder) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:35:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?" In-Reply-To: References: <87vbbby7ae.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: ... > If you have Mailman-Postfix integration, you don't want to set the owner of Mailman's data/aliases.db to root. > > Mailman's bin/check_perms is the safer way to fix ownership and permissions. Ah I forgot about that. Thanks, Mark. -Tom From mark at msapiro.net Tue Sep 15 20:13:28 2015 From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 11:13:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking or holding subscribe requests when email address contains "+" In-Reply-To: <55F8485F.3050502@midrange.com> References: <5D9E0355-7423-4FAA-A147-CD3679EDECC3@Damon-family.org> <55F8485F.3050502@midrange.com> Message-ID: <8D288ADF-EF3C-4AEB-B41A-04BED18506CF@msapiro.net> On September 15, 2015 9:33:35 AM PDT, David Gibbs wrote: >Unfortunately, Mailman sends out the confirmation email before >requiring approval. I want to stop (or hold) the subscription request >before the confirmation message goes out. > >Maybe I have to look into a captcha integration? Recent Mailman has a SUBSCRIBE_FORM_SECRET setting which helps but doesn't stop them all. Because of these, there is now a GLOBAL_BAN_LIST, but that isn't released yet. You want a regexp in the ban_list for each list. For the python.org lists we use ^.*\+.*\d{3,}@ I.e., + followed by anything followed by at least 3 digits followed by @. This has been effective so far. The bots are doing web subscribe so there's no backscatter from this. -- Mark Sapiro Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software. From david at midrange.com Tue Sep 15 20:57:04 2015 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:57:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking or holding subscribe requests when email address contains "+" In-Reply-To: <8D288ADF-EF3C-4AEB-B41A-04BED18506CF@msapiro.net> References: <5D9E0355-7423-4FAA-A147-CD3679EDECC3@Damon-family.org> <55F8485F.3050502@midrange.com> <8D288ADF-EF3C-4AEB-B41A-04BED18506CF@msapiro.net> Message-ID: <55F86A00.4080801@midrange.com> On 9/15/2015 1:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> Unfortunately, Mailman sends out the confirmation email before >> requiring approval. I want to stop (or hold) the subscription >> request before the confirmation message goes out. >> > > You want a regexp in the ban_list for each list. For the python.org > lists we use > > ^.*\+.*\d{3,}@ > > I.e., + followed by anything followed by at least 3 digits followed > by @. THANK YOU! This is exactly the solution I was looking for. david -- IBM i on Power Systems: For when you can't afford to be out of business! I'm riding 100 miles (a full century) in the American Diabetes Association's Tour de Cure to raise money for diabetes research, education, advocacy, and awareness. You can make a tax deductible donation to my ride by visiting http://emailsig.diabetessucks.net. My goal is $6000 but any amount is appreciated. See where I get my donations from ... visit http://emailsig.diabetessucks.net/map for an interactive map (it's a geeky thing). From ricardo at americasnet.com Wed Sep 16 01:01:51 2015 From: ricardo at americasnet.com (Ricardo Kleemann) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:01:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] has anyone built a package (or bundle) for Mailman 3 on Ubuntu? Message-ID: I wanted to give it a try. I understand it requires multiple packages to get it working, and wondering if there's already anywhere I can point to to install via apt-get. thanks Ricardo From stephen at xemacs.org Wed Sep 16 01:53:04 2015 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:53:04 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?" In-Reply-To: References: <87vbbby7ae.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>