From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jul  1 11:41:32 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 08:41:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot navigate to admin web portal
In-Reply-To: <cfd331e0-2f6c-cad6-d7de-f669ea2ea31d@devplateau.com>
References: <cfd331e0-2f6c-cad6-d7de-f669ea2ea31d@devplateau.com>
Message-ID: <0e529f02-60a0-370b-95b2-7024e288bf4d@msapiro.net>

On 6/30/17 3:50 PM, Kayla Manchette wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have recently installed the mailman version that comes with Ubuntu
> Server 16.04, so I believe that's 2.1.20 (hopefully).


Please see <https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344>.


> I am having when issue where when I try to navigate to the admin page on
> my server, I receive a 404 error that looks like it is coming from
> Nginx. At least that's what it says on the bottom of the page that
> comes. I don't know why, I thought I had set it up with Apache.


What ports are Nginx and Apache listening on? What is the URL you are
going to (we don't need the host name, but what's the scheme, port and
path)?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From kayla.manchette at devplateau.com  Sat Jul  1 17:35:11 2017
From: kayla.manchette at devplateau.com (Kayla Manchette)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 17:35:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot navigate to admin web portal. Reply to
 Mark Sapiro.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1498924801.17869.mailman-users@python.org>
References: <mailman.0.1498924801.17869.mailman-users@python.org>
Message-ID: <71BA0346-BF46-42AF-95C5-1A88D433D077@devplateau.com>

Hi Mark,

Right now I have nginx listening on 8000. I cannot tell what port nginx for mallow-dockerized is listening on. I think Apache is listening on port 80.
> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:00 PM, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
> 
> Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to
> 	mailman-users at python.org
> 
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> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. Cannot navigate to admin web portal (Kayla Manchette)
>   2. Re: Cannot navigate to admin web portal (Mark Sapiro)
> 
> From: Kayla Manchette <kayla.manchette at devplateau.com>
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot navigate to admin web portal
> Date: June 30, 2017 at 6:50:07 PM EDT
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have recently installed the mailman version that comes with Ubuntu Server 16.04, so I believe that's 2.1.20 (hopefully).
> 
> I am having when issue where when I try to navigate to the admin page on my server, I receive a 404 error that looks like it is coming from Nginx. At least that's what it says on the bottom of the page that comes. I don't know why, I thought I had set it up with Apache.
> 
> I thought I had found the proper code to put in my Nginx file, this:
> 
> location /cgi-bin/mailman {
>        root /usr/lib/;
>        fastcgi_split_path_info (^/cgi-bin/mailman/[^/]*)(.*)$;
>        include /etc/nginx/fastcgi_params;
>        fastcgi_param SCRIPT_FILENAME $document_root$fastcgi_script_name;
>        fastcgi_param PATH_INFO $fastcgi_path_info;
>        fastcgi_param PATH_TRANSLATED $document_root$fastcgi_path_info;
>        fastcgi_intercept_errors on;
>        fastcgi_pass unix:/var/run/fcgiwrap.socket;
>    }
>    location /images/mailman {
>        alias /usr/share/images/mailman;
>    }
>    location /pipermail {
>        alias /var/lib/mailman/archives/public; autoindex on;
>    }
> 
> But that did not seem to do anything. Attached (hopefully) you will find my full Nginx default configuration so that you can see the whole thing.
> 
> I also have mailcow-dockerized installed on this server. Could this possibility be the reason that the web interface will not work? I have not tried if the command line interface works (I probably should) but I want to get the web interface working for my users.
> 
> If anyone can help me figure out why this is happening, that would be awesome. I am trying to get this figured out kind of quickly.
> 
> 
> <default.txt>
> 
> 
> From: Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Cannot navigate to admin web portal
> Date: July 1, 2017 at 11:41:32 AM EDT
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> 
> 
> On 6/30/17 3:50 PM, Kayla Manchette wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I have recently installed the mailman version that comes with Ubuntu
>> Server 16.04, so I believe that's 2.1.20 (hopefully).
> 
> 
> Please see <https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344>.
> 
> 
>> I am having when issue where when I try to navigate to the admin page on
>> my server, I receive a 404 error that looks like it is coming from
>> Nginx. At least that's what it says on the bottom of the page that
>> comes. I don't know why, I thought I had set it up with Apache.
> 
> 
> What ports are Nginx and Apache listening on? What is the URL you are
> going to (we don't need the host name, but what's the scheme, port and
> path)?
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> 
> 
> 
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From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jul  1 18:41:45 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 15:41:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot navigate to admin web portal.
In-Reply-To: <71BA0346-BF46-42AF-95C5-1A88D433D077@devplateau.com>
References: <mailman.0.1498924801.17869.mailman-users@python.org>
 <71BA0346-BF46-42AF-95C5-1A88D433D077@devplateau.com>
Message-ID: <7721d1a9-9304-f354-29d4-a7f532b08955@msapiro.net>

On 7/1/17 2:35 PM, Kayla Manchette wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Right now I have nginx listening on 8000. I cannot tell what port nginx for mallow-dockerized is listening on. I think Apache is listening on port 80.


And what is the URL to which you go that gives the 404?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From for-mm-at-python at rplab.ru  Sun Jul  2 11:45:57 2017
From: for-mm-at-python at rplab.ru (Sergey Maslennikov)
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 00:45:57 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script private.py writes 'http' instead of 'https'
Message-ID: <1499010357.2821.21.camel@sn-y510p>

Hi All,

I set DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/' in mm_cfg.py but the script
'Mailman/Cgi/private.py' ignored this setting when it was filling field
"ACTION". It outputted
'... <FORM METHOD=POST ACTION="http://<domain name>/private/<list name>/" name="f"> ...'
('http' instead of 'https').

To avoid 'http' prefix I changed "absolute=1" into "absolute=0" in call
"action = mlist.GetScriptURL('private', absolute=1)". I want to get
correct absolute URL (for "absolute=1") as well. Can somebody show how
to do this right way?

My version of Mailman is 2.1.20 -- default for Debian.

Sergey Maslennikov


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Jul  3 09:09:22 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 06:09:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script private.py writes 'http' instead of
 'https'
In-Reply-To: <1499010357.2821.21.camel@sn-y510p>
References: <1499010357.2821.21.camel@sn-y510p>
Message-ID: <278ca3d4-ce87-9b8a-3944-a95a1b59da4f@msapiro.net>

On 7/2/17 8:45 AM, Sergey Maslennikov wrote:
> 
> I set DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/' in mm_cfg.py but the script
> 'Mailman/Cgi/private.py' ignored this setting when it was filling field
> "ACTION". It outputted
> '... <FORM METHOD=POST ACTION="http://<domain name>/private/<list name>/" name="f"> ...'
> ('http' instead of 'https').


See the FAQ at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030616>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From for-mm-at-python at rplab.ru  Mon Jul  3 09:36:45 2017
From: for-mm-at-python at rplab.ru (Sergey Maslennikov)
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 22:36:45 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script private.py writes 'http' instead of
 'https'
In-Reply-To: <278ca3d4-ce87-9b8a-3944-a95a1b59da4f@msapiro.net>
References: <1499010357.2821.21.camel@sn-y510p>
 <278ca3d4-ce87-9b8a-3944-a95a1b59da4f@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <1499089005.14226.4.camel@sn-y510p>

Exactly. Thank you very much!

On Mon, 2017-07-03 at 06:09 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:

>  ... See the FAQ at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030616>.

Sergey Maslennikov
Moscow


From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de  Tue Jul  4 09:11:02 2017
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 15:11:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] default action on administrative requests?
Message-ID: <20170704131102.vdr6jmwkhaktdhvv@charite.de>

The  default action on administrative requests is "defer". I'd like to
set that to "accept" for a particular list. Is this possible?

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From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jul  4 10:45:28 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 07:45:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] default action on administrative requests?
In-Reply-To: <20170704131102.vdr6jmwkhaktdhvv@charite.de>
References: <20170704131102.vdr6jmwkhaktdhvv@charite.de>
Message-ID: <8f197b3b-7a6d-2ce1-3a27-ae9afe0fc653@msapiro.net>

On 7/4/17 6:11 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> The  default action on administrative requests is "defer". I'd like to
> set that to "accept" for a particular list. Is this possible?


There is currently no setting or config option for that.

An implementation of a list setting for the default would be
non-trivial. A hack to do it based on listname would be simpler.

If this is for a python.org list, let's discuss this off list.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From kayla.manchette at devplateau.com  Tue Jul  4 17:50:19 2017
From: kayla.manchette at devplateau.com (kayla.manchette at devplateau.com)
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2017 17:50:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send confirmation emails to user that sign up for
 my site
Message-ID: <86dd35726ba11537e4e5bd7149c8b212@devplateau.com>

I have a site where users are able to sign up. When they sign up to the 
site, their information is stored in a database on the server.

What I want to do is send users that sign up an email for them to 
confirm the account they just made. The email would include a code and a 
link for the account verification page.

Is there anyway that I can link the database from my server to mailman 
so that mailman can send these emails out?

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Jul  4 18:17:40 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 15:17:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send confirmation emails to user that sign up
 for my site
In-Reply-To: <86dd35726ba11537e4e5bd7149c8b212@devplateau.com>
References: <86dd35726ba11537e4e5bd7149c8b212@devplateau.com>
Message-ID: <bb99f41f-a073-bc51-b998-171bbab76de8@msapiro.net>

On 7/4/17 2:50 PM, kayla.manchette at devplateau.com wrote:
> 
> What I want to do is send users that sign up an email for them to
> confirm the account they just made. The email would include a code and a
> link for the account verification page.
> 
> Is there anyway that I can link the database from my server to mailman
> so that mailman can send these emails out?


I'm guessing you want something analogous to Mailman's subscription
confirmation process and that's why you're thinking of Mailman, but it
would be simpler and more straightforward to just send the email outside
of Mailman. Mailman is designed to send messages to the members of
lists, not to arbitrary individuals.

Mailman uses Python's smtplib to send mail
(<https://docs.python.org/3/library/smtplib.html> for Python3,
<https://docs.python.org/2/library/smtplib.html> for Python2.7).

While it would be possible to use Mailman's Message class to create and
send a message, it would be simpler to just create a plain text email
from a template and use smtplib to send it.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From Richard at Damon-Family.org  Tue Jul  4 18:43:49 2017
From: Richard at Damon-Family.org (Richard Damon)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 18:43:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send confirmation emails to user that sign up
 for my site
In-Reply-To: <86dd35726ba11537e4e5bd7149c8b212@devplateau.com>
References: <86dd35726ba11537e4e5bd7149c8b212@devplateau.com>
Message-ID: <56868878-7de3-9657-933a-e7fb44aa97ce@Damon-Family.org>

On 7/4/17 5:50 PM, kayla.manchette at devplateau.com wrote:
> I have a site where users are able to sign up. When they sign up to 
> the site, their information is stored in a database on the server.
>
> What I want to do is send users that sign up an email for them to 
> confirm the account they just made. The email would include a code and 
> a link for the account verification page.
>
> Is there anyway that I can link the database from my server to mailman 
> so that mailman can send these emails out? 
The one way I can think to do it, and it is a bit of a Rube-Goldberg, is 
to create a dummy mailing list, and then when the user signs up to your 
site, you create a subscription for them on the mailing list, with 
confirmation required. When they do confirm, mailman can send out an 
email that you can catch to see that they confirmed, or you can just 
interrogate the list to see if they are on the subscriber list (they 
won't be until they subscribe).

This does create a lot of complexity, and possibly confusion if there 
isn't a need for a linked mailing list, it is likely simpler to just 
look at the code mailman uses and borrow the appropriate parts, this 
isn't THAT hard of a function.

-- 
Richard Damon


From guest2 at sgeinc.com  Tue Jul  4 20:31:20 2017
From: guest2 at sgeinc.com (Richard Shetron)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 20:31:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send confirmation emails to user that sign up
 for my site
In-Reply-To: <86dd35726ba11537e4e5bd7149c8b212@devplateau.com>
References: <86dd35726ba11537e4e5bd7149c8b212@devplateau.com>
Message-ID: <4b758073-7226-bda8-c61a-63c9d17b5432@sgeinc.com>

If the web backend can generate the code and email for the message and 
you are on a *nix system then all you have to do is:

cat <message> | sendmail -r <from-address> -s "<subject>" <to-address>

message can usually contain additional headers depending on the command 
line options.  message can be a canned message if you put the code in 
the subject.  You may need to make this a shell script or use some type 
of shell wrapper.

see man sendmail (even if you are not using sendmail, there is often a 
stub with other mailers to allow sending email with the sendmail command 
line interface for compatibility.

On 7/4/17 5:50 PM, kayla.manchette at devplateau.com wrote:
> I have a site where users are able to sign up. When they sign up to the 
> site, their information is stored in a database on the server.
> 
> What I want to do is send users that sign up an email for them to 
> confirm the account they just made. The email would include a code and a 
> link for the account verification page.
> 
> Is there anyway that I can link the database from my server to mailman 
> so that mailman can send these emails out?
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From editor at visionscience.com  Tue Jul  4 12:54:17 2017
From: editor at visionscience.com (editor at visionscience.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 09:54:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bogus subscription requests
Message-ID: <C2AC1CA8-CE5D-4380-A336-41376F008BF6@visionscience.com>

I maintain a few lists using Mailman. Everything works fine. Except that with some regularity I receive subscription requests for the list Mailman at myserver.com <mailto:Mailman at myserver.com>. The messages announcing the requests offer me a link to process the request. The link yields a 404 error message.
So far as I know, no such list exists.
When I check the overview of my lists, it is not among them.

I am aware of the concept of a sitewide list, and maybe this is that. 
But the question is: how can I reject these subscription requests, or can I just ignore them?

Using Mailman version 2.1.23

From johnsonrl at uwclub.net  Wed Jul  5 05:56:43 2017
From: johnsonrl at uwclub.net (Ralph Johnson)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 10:56:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator requests pending
Message-ID: <000001d2f575$02a62f70$07f28e50$@uwclub.net>

I am the administrator for a walking group and I received an email message
that there was a moderator request waiting for my attention.

I went to "Tend to moderator requests" and deleted the message.

I am still getting daily emails telling me that there is a message waiting
my attention, but there isn't. The offending message was deleted and no
longer appears in the Pending moderator requests list.

How do I stop the daily emails.

Regards

Ralph


From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Jul  5 11:03:28 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 08:03:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator requests pending
In-Reply-To: <000001d2f575$02a62f70$07f28e50$@uwclub.net>
References: <000001d2f575$02a62f70$07f28e50$@uwclub.net>
Message-ID: <26e9008b-50e1-4063-b58f-28c318e26bdf@msapiro.net>

On 7/5/17 2:56 AM, Ralph Johnson wrote:
> 
> I am still getting daily emails telling me that there is a message waiting
> my attention, but there isn't. The offending message was deleted and no
> longer appears in the Pending moderator requests list.


See the FAQ article at <https://wiki.list.org/x/8683538>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Jul  5 11:22:58 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 08:22:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bogus subscription requests
In-Reply-To: <C2AC1CA8-CE5D-4380-A336-41376F008BF6@visionscience.com>
References: <C2AC1CA8-CE5D-4380-A336-41376F008BF6@visionscience.com>
Message-ID: <886c729d-83c1-ce4d-ad2d-444e89c28990@msapiro.net>

On 7/4/17 9:54 AM, editor at visionscience.com wrote:
> I maintain a few lists using Mailman. Everything works fine. Except that with some regularity I receive subscription requests for the list Mailman at myserver.com <mailto:Mailman at myserver.com>. The messages announcing the requests offer me a link to process the request. The link yields a 404 error message.
> So far as I know, no such list exists.
> When I check the overview of my lists, it is not among them.
> 
> I am aware of the concept of a sitewide list, and maybe this is that. 
> But the question is: how can I reject these subscription requests, or can I just ignore them?
> 
> Using Mailman version 2.1.23

I'm guessing this is cPanel, but maybe not. It makes a difference. I
don't know why the link gives a 404. Possibly the link is to something
like http://myserver.com/mailman/admindb/mailman_myserver.com and the
list name is actually mailman_otherserver.com.

Every Mailman 2.1.x installation has a site list, usually named
'mailman'. How this is configured in your mailman depends on various
things like how Mailman was installed (cPanel, distribution package,
source, ...), whether or not this is a shared server, etc.

If you can access the admin interface for this list, you could put
something like

^.*

in Privacy options... -> Subscription rules -> ban_list to prevent
anyone from requesting subscription to the list.

If you need more help, please provide a copy of one of these messages
with all headers and more detail about how Mailman was installed and
what the server configuration is.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From kayla.manchette at devplateau.com  Wed Jul  5 11:17:03 2017
From: kayla.manchette at devplateau.com (kayla.manchette at devplateau.com)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2017 11:17:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Send confirmation emails to users that sign up
 for my site. Reply to Mark Sapiro, Richard Damon
In-Reply-To: <mailman.812.1499264972.2925.mailman-users@python.org>
References: <mailman.812.1499264972.2925.mailman-users@python.org>
Message-ID: <fd7e42cba8619d438a6a9879aa1e473d@devplateau.com>

On 2017-07-05 10:29 AM, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
> Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to
> 	mailman-users at python.org
> 
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> 	https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> 	mailman-users-request at python.org
> 
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> 	mailman-users-owner at python.org
> 
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..."
> 
> Today's Topics:
> 
>    1. Send confirmation emails to user that sign up for my site
>       (kayla.manchette at devplateau.com)
>    2. Re: Send confirmation emails to user that sign up for my site
>       (Mark Sapiro)
>    3. Re: Send confirmation emails to user that sign up for my site
>       (Richard Damon)
>    4. Re: Send confirmation emails to user that sign up for my site
>       (Richard Shetron)
>    5. bogus subscription requests (editor at visionscience.com)
>    6. Moderator requests pending (Ralph Johnson)
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> Searchable Archives: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Thank you for the suggestions guys. That sounds like an easier why to do 
things. I will see if I can implement anything like that.

From lists at damorris.com  Fri Jul  7 06:53:55 2017
From: lists at damorris.com (Adam Morris)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 20:53:55 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] replies going to sender when set to list?
Message-ID: <38c7028a-499b-b014-040f-8b0369b98cd2@damorris.com>

Hi all,

For some reason when members of one of my lists reply to a message the 
replies go to the list and sender.

 From what I can tell I have replies going to list and not sender.

Wondering what I've missed?



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From mark at msapiro.net  Fri Jul  7 10:17:52 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 07:17:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] replies going to sender when set to list?
In-Reply-To: <38c7028a-499b-b014-040f-8b0369b98cd2@damorris.com>
References: <38c7028a-499b-b014-040f-8b0369b98cd2@damorris.com>
Message-ID: <85c05883-a483-f1d4-a176-8b139f715900@msapiro.net>

On 7/7/17 3:53 AM, Adam Morris wrote:
> 
> For some reason when members of one of my lists reply to a message the
> replies go to the list and sender.
> 
> From what I can tell I have replies going to list and not sender.


The people replying are doing "reply-all" with clients that will
(wrongly) reply to both the Reply-To: and From: in that case, or you
have first_strip_reply_to = No and the sender included a Reply-To: to
herself.

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San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jul  8 19:00:06 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 16:00:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] replies going to sender when set to list?
In-Reply-To: <38c7028a-499b-b014-040f-8b0369b98cd2@damorris.com>
References: <38c7028a-499b-b014-040f-8b0369b98cd2@damorris.com>
Message-ID: <4609f0bc-f7de-d19a-f706-599b4d6a9099@msapiro.net>

On 07/08/2017 02:38 PM, Adam Morris wrote (off list):
> Hi Mark,
>
> I'm using thunderbird on windows, latest version.
>
> Below are the message headers for one that pressing ctrl r sends reply
> to the sender.

(returning to the list)

I would call this a bug in Tbird, but Mozilla probably calls it a
deliberate feature.[1] It may be a response to something like
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524277>, but that's old
and not marked fixed. So far, I haven't found anything else relevant,
but I haven't looked very hard.

Here's the story:

If a message contains a Reply-To: header and a List-Post: header, both
containing the same address, "Reply" ignores the Reply-To:. Presumably,
the theory is Tbird offers "Reply List" (shift+Ctrl+L), so if you are
using "Reply" rather than "Reply List", you must intend the reply to go
to the sender.

The only thing you can do in Mailman is set include_list_post_header to
No, but this may annoy some users who like the "Reply List" ability.

[1] It is a bug in that it is a violation of RFC 5322 sec 3.6.2 which
says in part

   The originator fields also provide the information required when
   replying to a message.  When the "Reply-To:" field is present, it
   indicates the address(es) to which the author of the message suggests
   that replies be sent.  In the absence of the "Reply-To:" field,
   replies SHOULD by default be sent to the mailbox(es) specified in the
   "From:" field unless otherwise specified by the person composing the
   reply.

Of course, setting reply_goes_to_list is also a violation ...

And I'm also somewhat sympathetic to the arguments in
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524277>, but that asks for
an option, and as far as I can tell, this behavior is not optional, even
in the config editor.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jul  8 20:30:34 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 17:30:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] replies going to sender when set to list?
In-Reply-To: <4609f0bc-f7de-d19a-f706-599b4d6a9099@msapiro.net>
References: <4609f0bc-f7de-d19a-f706-599b4d6a9099@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <a794ba29-2c8e-5aec-8db5-5ccd72d6c3a6@msapiro.net>

Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Here's the story:
> 
> If a message contains a Reply-To: header and a List-Post: header, both
> containing the same address, "Reply" ignores the Reply-To:. Presumably,
> the theory is Tbird offers "Reply List" (shift+Ctrl+L), so if you are
> using "Reply" rather than "Reply List", you must intend the reply to go
> to the sender.


This is a deliberate "feature" in Tbird 52.0. See
<http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=3030392> and
<https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/52.0/releasenotes/>.

It appears to be a "fix" for
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77304>.

I have reported <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1379428>
objecting to this change without it being optional and defaulting to the
prior behavior.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From harrison at utm.edu  Sat Jul  8 20:51:16 2017
From: harrison at utm.edu (Bruce Harrison)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 00:51:16 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header too large
Message-ID: <280DA3E3-F1B7-4780-9B03-942E76CFBD4D@utm.edu>

All of a sudden I'm seeing the message

headers too large (32768 max) from localhost during message collect: 2640 Time(s)

In the logwatch email I get each day.  Not sure why I'm seeing this and why it keeps repeating.

Any ideas?

Bruce

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jul  8 21:02:52 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 18:02:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header too large
In-Reply-To: <280DA3E3-F1B7-4780-9B03-942E76CFBD4D@utm.edu>
References: <280DA3E3-F1B7-4780-9B03-942E76CFBD4D@utm.edu>
Message-ID: <c026e51c-540f-8493-0cb1-9d776289a4a9@msapiro.net>

On 07/08/2017 05:51 PM, Bruce Harrison wrote:
> All of a sudden I'm seeing the message
> 
> headers too large (32768 max) from localhost during message collect: 2640 Time(s)
> 
> In the logwatch email I get each day.  Not sure why I'm seeing this and why it keeps repeating.
> 
> Any ideas?


It's probably spam and probably has nothing to do with Mailman. Have you
looked at all the system mail log messages for a message with this error
to see things like the sender, recipient, message-id, etc.

Since it's from localhost, it may be some local user or script sending a
message with a very long list of To: and/or Cc: recipients.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From johnsonrl at uwclub.net  Sun Jul  9 05:37:24 2017
From: johnsonrl at uwclub.net (Ralph Johnson)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 10:37:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator list pending
Message-ID: <000001d2f896$f930bf30$eb923d90$@uwclub.net>

HI

Nobody has come up with an answer to my query about how to stop the daily
messages " Moderator request waiting your attention" when there is no
message in the pending moderator list. I have already deleted it.

One thing that occurs to me is to generate a message myself and hope that
clearing it will also clear the phantom message. But how do I do this.

Ralph

 

ORIGINAL MESSAGE

I am the administrator for a walking group and I received an email message
that there was a moderator request waiting for my attention.

I went to "Tend to moderator requests" and deleted the message.

I am still getting daily emails telling me that there is a message waiting
my attention, but there isn't. The offending message was deleted and no
longer appears in the Pending moderator requests list.

How do I stop the daily emails.

 


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Sun Jul  9 09:38:22 2017
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 09:38:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator list pending
In-Reply-To: <000001d2f896$f930bf30$eb923d90$@uwclub.net>
References: <000001d2f896$f930bf30$eb923d90$@uwclub.net>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWF6diYCMLk0+Sse+zMt24SXcKG9=aDCHYVHjVwjdG+DiQ@mail.gmail.com>

It was answered by Mark Sapiro.

https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2017-July/082302.html

Bryan

On 9 July 2017 at 05:37, Ralph Johnson <johnsonrl at uwclub.net> wrote:
> HI
>
> Nobody has come up with an answer to my query about how to stop the daily
> messages " Moderator request waiting your attention" when there is no
> message in the pending moderator list. I have already deleted it.
>
> One thing that occurs to me is to generate a message myself and hope that
> clearing it will also clear the phantom message. But how do I do this.
>
> Ralph
>
>
>
> ORIGINAL MESSAGE
>
> I am the administrator for a walking group and I received an email message
> that there was a moderator request waiting for my attention.
>
> I went to "Tend to moderator requests" and deleted the message.
>
> I am still getting daily emails telling me that there is a message waiting
> my attention, but there isn't. The offending message was deleted and no
> longer appears in the Pending moderator requests list.
>
> How do I stop the daily emails.
>
>
>
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From raj at mischievous.us  Sun Jul  9 13:08:15 2017
From: raj at mischievous.us (Richard Johnson)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 10:08:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some recipients not receiving messages?
Message-ID: <A6F0D851-61F3-46EB-890F-BBBE7AF6ED22@mischievous.us>

I'm not sure what's going on here.  My mailing list has 47 recipients, yet when a message is sent to it, the "smtp" log sometimes says it's been delivered to 40 recipients and sometimes to 41 recipients.  Questions:

(1) Why not "47" recipients, since that's the number on the list?
(2) Why sometimes "40" and sometimes "41"?
(3) Is there a way to see the entire list of recipients sent for each message received?

Thanks for any help!

/raj


From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Jul  9 23:20:56 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 20:20:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some recipients not receiving messages?
In-Reply-To: <A6F0D851-61F3-46EB-890F-BBBE7AF6ED22@mischievous.us>
References: <A6F0D851-61F3-46EB-890F-BBBE7AF6ED22@mischievous.us>
Message-ID: <a7fc4d14-3b8f-a3b7-be74-3aa50b3c1130@msapiro.net>

On 07/09/2017 10:08 AM, Richard Johnson wrote:
> I'm not sure what's going on here.  My mailing list has 47 recipients, yet when a message is sent to it, the "smtp" log sometimes says it's been delivered to 40 recipients and sometimes to 41 recipients.  Questions:
> 
> (1) Why not "47" recipients, since that's the number on the list?


People subscribed to digest, people with delivery disabled.

What does Mailman's

bin/list_members --regular --nomail=enabled | wc

or just

bin/list_members --regular --nomail=enabled

give.


> (2) Why sometimes "40" and sometimes "41"?


Some posters may have 'not metoo' set. Some recipients may be directly
addressed in To: or Cc: and have 'nodupes' set.


> (3) Is there a way to see the entire list of recipients sent for each message received?


You can find this by looking at the outgoing MTA's logs.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From heller at deepsoft.com  Mon Jul 10 09:40:31 2017
From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 09:40:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some recipients not receiving messages?
In-Reply-To: <A6F0D851-61F3-46EB-890F-BBBE7AF6ED22@mischievous.us>
References: <A6F0D851-61F3-46EB-890F-BBBE7AF6ED22@mischievous.us>
Message-ID: <20170710134031.90DF673231C@sharky3.deepsoft.com>

Are all 47 recipients on distintly *different* mail providers? Eg exactly one
on gmail, one on hotmail, one on AOL, one on Juno, one on umass.edu, etc.?  Or 
are there several on gmail, a bunch on hotmail, a handful on aol, a few on 
Juno, etc.?  It could be that that the E-Mails are grouped by provider.  
*Also* if 6 or 7 of the people on the list are getting digests, it could be 
that for any given message those people are not getting a direct delivery and 
instead, *their* messages are being held for a digest to be sent on at a later 
time.


At Sun, 9 Jul 2017 10:08:15 -0700 Richard Johnson <raj at mischievous.us> wrote:

> 
> I'm not sure what's going on here.  My mailing list has 47 recipients, yet when a message is sent to it, the "smtp" log sometimes says it's been delivered to 40 recipients and sometimes to 41 recipients.  Questions:
> 
> (1) Why not "47" recipients, since that's the number on the list?
> (2) Why sometimes "40" and sometimes "41"?
> (3) Is there a way to see the entire list of recipients sent for each message received?
> 
> Thanks for any help!
> 
> /raj
> 
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From raj at mischievous.us  Mon Jul 10 13:22:33 2017
From: raj at mischievous.us (Raj)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 10:22:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some recipients not receiving messages?
In-Reply-To: <a7fc4d14-3b8f-a3b7-be74-3aa50b3c1130@msapiro.net>
References: <A6F0D851-61F3-46EB-890F-BBBE7AF6ED22@mischievous.us>
 <a7fc4d14-3b8f-a3b7-be74-3aa50b3c1130@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <BD2EE8DA-BD33-40DF-8E4F-F4AE8E17BDC9@mischievous.us>

Thanks for the reply!. With --regular & --nomail=enabled, it does, indeed, show 41. The 40 most certainly comes from times when someone includes an address already on the list, as you said. 

I have been trying to get MTA log info from MacOS Sierra, but haven't gotten that working. It always worked previously, but Apple changed a lot of the logging in the latest OS and it doesn't log anything like it did previously. I'll continue to work on it. I was just hoping maybe I could get the info from mailman in the meantime.

Thanks for the help!

---------------------
(Sent from my iPad)

/raj


> On Jul 9, 2017, at 8:20 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 07/09/2017 10:08 AM, Richard Johnson wrote:
>> I'm not sure what's going on here.  My mailing list has 47 recipients, yet when a message is sent to it, the "smtp" log sometimes says it's been delivered to 40 recipients and sometimes to 41 recipients.  Questions:
>> 
>> (1) Why not "47" recipients, since that's the number on the list?
> 
> 
> People subscribed to digest, people with delivery disabled.
> 
> What does Mailman's
> 
> bin/list_members --regular --nomail=enabled | wc
> 
> or just
> 
> bin/list_members --regular --nomail=enabled
> 
> give.
> 
> 
>> (2) Why sometimes "40" and sometimes "41"?
> 
> 
> Some posters may have 'not metoo' set. Some recipients may be directly
> addressed in To: or Cc: and have 'nodupes' set.
> 
> 
>> (3) Is there a way to see the entire list of recipients sent for each message received?
> 
> 
> You can find this by looking at the outgoing MTA's logs.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> ------------------------------------------------------
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From raj at mischievous.us  Mon Jul 10 13:25:06 2017
From: raj at mischievous.us (Raj)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 10:25:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some recipients not receiving messages?
In-Reply-To: <20170710134031.90DF673231C@sharky3.deepsoft.com>
References: <A6F0D851-61F3-46EB-890F-BBBE7AF6ED22@mischievous.us>
 <20170710134031.90DF673231C@sharky3.deepsoft.com>
Message-ID: <155715A9-A0AB-499A-B046-4C20F4241028@mischievous.us>

The addresses are all over. As Shapiro pointed out, it looks as if more people are getting digests than I thought.  Thanks for the reply!

---------------------
(Sent from my iPad)

/raj


> On Jul 10, 2017, at 6:40 AM, Robert Heller <heller at deepsoft.com> wrote:
> 
> Are all 47 recipients on distintly *different* mail providers? Eg exactly one
> on gmail, one on hotmail, one on AOL, one on Juno, one on umass.edu, etc.?  Or 
> are there several on gmail, a bunch on hotmail, a handful on aol, a few on 
> Juno, etc.?  It could be that that the E-Mails are grouped by provider.  
> *Also* if 6 or 7 of the people on the list are getting digests, it could be 
> that for any given message those people are not getting a direct delivery and 
> instead, *their* messages are being held for a digest to be sent on at a later 
> time.
> 
> 
> At Sun, 9 Jul 2017 10:08:15 -0700 Richard Johnson <raj at mischievous.us> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I'm not sure what's going on here.  My mailing list has 47 recipients, yet when a message is sent to it, the "smtp" log sometimes says it's been delivered to 40 recipients and sometimes to 41 recipients.  Questions:
>> 
>> (1) Why not "47" recipients, since that's the number on the list?
>> (2) Why sometimes "40" and sometimes "41"?
>> (3) Is there a way to see the entire list of recipients sent for each message received?
>> 
>> Thanks for any help!
>> 
>> /raj
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
>> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
>> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>> Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/heller%40deepsoft.com
>> 
>> 
> 
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From Richard at KarmannGhia.org  Wed Jul 12 12:27:07 2017
From: Richard at KarmannGhia.org (Richard)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 09:27:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correcting the URLs in mailman's automated emails
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.11.1707120915140.31567@fs1>


Hello All,

this has been a problem since forever, but for the, oh, 12 to 15 years 
I've been using mailman, heretofore I've had list members who were 
competent enough to tell them, "where you see this system name, replace it 
with this other one and it works fine." Now, that's not the case with a 
new group of list users. (And yes, I've tried in the past to fix this, but 
never found a solution and it wasn't all that vital.)

My scenario is simple enough; the mail server that runs mailman is on an 
internal, private network behind a firewall and has no direct external 
access. Mail gets through via a firewall / gateway machine, and web access 
to the web interface is done via "pipermail" interface through the web 
server. It all works except that the automated emails sent for things like 
bounces, initial welcome, password reminders and things like that ALWAYS 
have the internal system name for the URLs instead of the external one.

I've tried to figure out how to modify the templates to get it to work 
correctly, all to many wasted hours of frustration, and of course I've 
tried to look it up online. I can't find any information about what 
substutitions are available within the various templates, though I found a 
conversation where someone some 12 to 15 years ago said it was on their 
to-do list. I've been tempted to just hard-code, but there are several 
problems with that, such as that there are different list names that have 
to get inserted, or different usernames. And even if I could hard-code the 
system name / domain name part, I'd prefer to have the URL be unique for 
the particular community the list is serving - simply because having to 
explain a different domain name is just more wasted time. Plus, it would 
be easier to remember for people - what's that link for? OH, I remember!

Any help GRATEFULLY appreciated.

FWIW, I'm running mailman-2.1.18.1-3.fc21.x86_64 which I think is the 
youngest version available for FC21.


Thanks,
R


From Richard at KarmannGhia.org  Wed Jul 12 12:58:02 2017
From: Richard at KarmannGhia.org (Richard)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 09:58:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correcting the URLs in mailman's automated
 emails
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.11.1707120915140.31567@fs1>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.11.1707120915140.31567@fs1>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.11.1707120952360.31567@fs1>


Some clarification below:

On Wed, 12 Jul 2017, Richard wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> this has been a problem since forever, but for the, oh, 12 to 15 years I've 
> been using mailman, heretofore I've had list members who were competent 
> enough to tell them, "where you see this system name, replace it with this 
> other one and it works fine." Now, that's not the case with a new group of 
> list users. (And yes, I've tried in the past to fix this, but never found a 
> solution and it wasn't all that vital.)
>
> My scenario is simple enough; the mail server that runs mailman is on an 
> internal, private network behind a firewall and has no direct external 
> access. Mail gets through via a firewall / gateway machine, and web access to 
> the web interface is done via "pipermail" interface through the web server. 
> It all works except that the automated emails sent for things like bounces, 
> initial welcome, password reminders and things like that ALWAYS have the 
> internal system name for the URLs instead of the external one.
>
> I've tried to figure out how to modify the templates to get it to work 
> correctly, all to many wasted hours of frustration, and of course I've tried 
> to look it up online. I can't find any information about what substutitions 
> are available within the various templates, though I found a conversation 
> where someone some 12 to 15 years ago said it was on their to-do list. I've 
> been tempted to just hard-code, but there are several problems with that, 
> such as that there are different list names that have to get inserted, or 
> different usernames. And even if I could hard-code the system name / domain 
> name part, I'd prefer to have the URL be unique for the particular community 
> the list is serving - simply because having to explain a different domain 
> name is just more wasted time. Plus, it would be easier to remember for 
> people - what's that link for? OH, I remember!
>
> Any help GRATEFULLY appreciated.
>
> FWIW, I'm running mailman-2.1.18.1-3.fc21.x86_64 which I think is the 
> youngest version available for FC21.
>
>
> Thanks,
> R

OF COURSE, I've found section 4.29 of the FAQ (which can be found here:
https://wiki.list.org/DOC/4.29%20Where%20can%20I%20change%20a%20list%20or%20the%20default%20URL%20used%20for%20the%20web%20interface%3F
)
...The problem is I don't understand it. In particular:

"and some more add_virtualhost(URL_FQDN, EMAIL_FQDN) if you are using 
virtual hosts."

Am I supposed to just add in all my virtual hosts here like this, and, if 
so, how on earth is the correct one distinguished per list?

Thanks,
R

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Jul 12 13:20:26 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:20:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correcting the URLs in mailman's automated
 emails
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.11.1707120952360.31567@fs1>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.11.1707120915140.31567@fs1>
 <alpine.LFD.2.11.1707120952360.31567@fs1>
Message-ID: <c63da055-e971-e5ba-679b-3a82789d4d1b@msapiro.net>

On 07/12/2017 09:58 AM, Richard wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2017, Richard wrote:
>>
>> My scenario is simple enough; the mail server that runs mailman is on
>> an internal, private network behind a firewall and has no direct
>> external access. Mail gets through via a firewall / gateway machine,
>> and web access to the web interface is done via "pipermail" interface
>> through the web server. It all works except that the automated emails
>> sent for things like bounces, initial welcome, password reminders and
>> things like that ALWAYS have the internal system name for the URLs
>> instead of the external one.


I don't understand what you mean by 'access to the web interface is done
via "pipermail" interface'.

Can you give an example with actual URLs and maybe web server config
excerpts.


> OF COURSE, I've found section 4.29 of the FAQ (which can be found here:
> https://wiki.list.org/DOC/4.29%20Where%20can%20I%20change%20a%20list%20or%20the%20default%20URL%20used%20for%20the%20web%20interface%3F
> 
> )
> ...The problem is I don't understand it. In particular:
> 
> "and some more add_virtualhost(URL_FQDN, EMAIL_FQDN) if you are using
> virtual hosts."
> 
> Am I supposed to just add in all my virtual hosts here like this, and,
> if so, how on earth is the correct one distinguished per list?


I'm a bit confused here too. That said, suppose you have two external
web domains, web_domain1 with list1 at email_domain1 and web_domain2 with
list2 at email_domain2. Of course you could have more domains and more
lists per domain, but in this simple case you would put in mm_cfg.py

add_virtualhost(web_domain1, email_domain1)
add_virtualhost(web_domain2, email_domain2)

(it's OK if different web domains have the same email domain.)

Then to associate web_domain1 with list1, you run

bin/withlist -r fix_url list1 -u web_domain1

and similarly for other lists.

See also the FAQ at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030616>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From tom.browder at gmail.com  Sat Jul 15 10:49:27 2017
From: tom.browder at gmail.com (Tom Browder)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 14:49:27 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 3 Docker install question ref Apache use
Message-ID: <CAFMGiz9PQVk-YxC5hxqg4z6b1mDBRqzraMWdVp3T8Mo5gs9aJA@mail.gmail.com>

Is the apache requirement a reverse proxy?

A link to a working solution for apache would be very helpful for us
non-expert apache users. In the meantime I will look for one.

I look foward to using the docker solution. Thanks so much to all the MM3
dev team!

Best regards,

-Tom

From tom.browder at gmail.com  Sat Jul 15 10:52:49 2017
From: tom.browder at gmail.com (Tom Browder)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 14:52:49 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM3 and analytics
Message-ID: <CAFMGiz_E7yk-U_V6jssKp+RXbiJhPkiQBA_1_ePfotFY6DPZhA@mail.gmail.com>

Are there any hooks or plugins or known solutions to gathering MM3
analytics similar to, say, Dada Mail?

Thanks.

-Tom

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jul 15 12:26:41 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 09:26:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 3 Docker install question ref Apache use
In-Reply-To: <CAFMGiz9PQVk-YxC5hxqg4z6b1mDBRqzraMWdVp3T8Mo5gs9aJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFMGiz9PQVk-YxC5hxqg4z6b1mDBRqzraMWdVp3T8Mo5gs9aJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3cb74ee9-483b-cd60-a197-ca2a3ccec2c6@msapiro.net>

On 07/15/2017 07:49 AM, Tom Browder wrote:
> Is the apache requirement a reverse proxy?
> 
> A link to a working solution for apache would be very helpful for us
> non-expert apache users. In the meantime I will look for one.
> 
> I look foward to using the docker solution. Thanks so much to all the MM3
> dev team!


For Mailman 3 specific posts, please join the mailman-users at mailman3.org
list at
<https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users at mailman3.org/>
and post there.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jul 15 12:28:58 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 09:28:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM3 and analytics
In-Reply-To: <CAFMGiz_E7yk-U_V6jssKp+RXbiJhPkiQBA_1_ePfotFY6DPZhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFMGiz_E7yk-U_V6jssKp+RXbiJhPkiQBA_1_ePfotFY6DPZhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ed9214d0-21d6-0e8c-563a-926fab12334e@msapiro.net>

On 07/15/2017 07:52 AM, Tom Browder wrote:
> Are there any hooks or plugins or known solutions to gathering MM3
> analytics similar to, say, Dada Mail?


For Mailman 3 specific posts, please join the mailman-users at mailman3.org
list at
<https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users at mailman3.org/>
and post there.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From adamsca at gmail.com  Tue Jul 18 16:42:20 2017
From: adamsca at gmail.com (Christopher Adams)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:42:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachements scrubbed,
 but list doesn't use Content Filtering
Message-ID: <CAA13W+9ejRVefm5gyJyz7mZ7aDcwbpp-5Ou313kGVnkn3ctAuw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

A list administrator reports that all attachments are being scrubbed, in
the sent messages and in the archives. The site default is to not use
Content Filtering and this list uses that default. Also, there are many
other lists with the same default settings and I am not hearing of this
behavior.

What am I missing here ?

Many thanks,

Christopher Adams

From adamsca at gmail.com  Tue Jul 18 16:47:55 2017
From: adamsca at gmail.com (Christopher Adams)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:47:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachements scrubbed,
 but list doesn't use Content Filtering
In-Reply-To: <CAA13W+9ejRVefm5gyJyz7mZ7aDcwbpp-5Ou313kGVnkn3ctAuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA13W+9ejRVefm5gyJyz7mZ7aDcwbpp-5Ou313kGVnkn3ctAuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA13W+_T=iwvaX7_96-Ki_Dmat-RSa5_ufsAJiD4B_jwu3y+cQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, I was a bit premature in my question. Apparently, an admin with
little knowledge of the settings had toggled the non_digest settings to
scrub everything. I missed that setting after going through it several
times.



On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Christopher Adams <adamsca at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> A list administrator reports that all attachments are being scrubbed, in
> the sent messages and in the archives. The site default is to not use
> Content Filtering and this list uses that default. Also, there are many
> other lists with the same default settings and I am not hearing of this
> behavior.
>
> What am I missing here ?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Christopher Adams
>



-- 
Christopher Adams
adamsca at gmail.com

From beakerboy99 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 19 09:13:13 2017
From: beakerboy99 at yahoo.com (Kevin Nowaczyk)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:13:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and gmail
References: <2113158176.363683.1500469993348.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2113158176.363683.1500469993348@mail.yahoo.com>

I've recently been hearing that some subscribers to a club mailing list who use gmail are having all messages pushed to their spam folder. One user said it's only an issue when the sender is a gmail user as well. I'm running mailman 2.1.23 and had dmarc_moderation_action set to the default value..which I think was Accept. I recently changed it to "Munge From". The dmarc_quarantine_moderation_action is set to yes, and dmarc_none_moderation_action is No. When using the old settings gmail listed messgaes as: SPF PASS, DKIM "Neutral with domain null", and DMARC FAIL, but when a non-gmail user sent a message the DMARC was not listed.
After changing to "Munge From" it still has a DMARC fail. What are the differences that I should be seeing after changing the dmarc_moderation_action? Here is an authentication header of a message from a gmail user to a gmail user.
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com;
       dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@gmail.com header.b=dAmiQOEo;
       spf=pass (google.com: domain of bockbrew-bounces at lists.bockbrew.com designates 65.181.121.110 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bockbrew-bounces at lists.bockbrew.com;
       dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com
Thanks for any help,Kevin Nowaczyk


From luscheina at yahoo.de  Wed Jul 19 09:57:17 2017
From: luscheina at yahoo.de (Christian F Buser)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:57:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and gmail
In-Reply-To: <2113158176.363683.1500469993348@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2113158176.363683.1500469993348.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2113158176.363683.1500469993348@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <596F653D.5050807@yahoo.de>

Hi Kevin

GMAIL is a problem itself. On another mailing list (which is not a
Mailman list and I am not a moderator or something like that), messages
seem even to be held back by GMAIL and not delivered at all to the
subscribers.

I am not sure whether a GMAIL user can "educate" the mail server to not
consider certain messages as spam/junk by unmarking them and moving them
into the normal inbox.

Christian


> Kevin Nowaczyk via Mailman-Users <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
> 19. Juli 2017 um 15:13
> I've recently been hearing that some subscribers to a club mailing
> list who use gmail are having all messages pushed to their spam
> folder. One user said it's only an issue when the sender is a gmail
> user as well. I'm running mailman 2.1.23 and had
> dmarc_moderation_action set to the default value..which I think was
> Accept. I recently changed it to "Munge From". The
> dmarc_quarantine_moderation_action is set to yes, and
> dmarc_none_moderation_action is No. When using the old settings gmail
> listed messgaes as: SPF PASS, DKIM "Neutral with domain null", and
> DMARC FAIL, but when a non-gmail user sent a message the DMARC was not
> listed.
> After changing to "Munge From" it still has a DMARC fail. What are the
> differences that I should be seeing after changing the
> dmarc_moderation_action? Here is an authentication header of a message
> from a gmail user to a gmail user.
> ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com;
> dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@gmail.com
> header.b=dAmiQOEo;
> spf=pass (google.com: domain of bockbrew-bounces at lists.bockbrew.com
> designates 65.181.121.110 as permitted sender)
> smtp.mailfrom=bockbrew-bounces at lists.bockbrew.com;
> dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com
> Thanks for any help,Kevin Nowaczyk
>
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From radwa.hamed at auf.org  Wed Jul 19 09:23:28 2017
From: radwa.hamed at auf.org (Radwa Hamed)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:23:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message not accepted for policy reasons
Message-ID: <b2006308-af4e-2cca-2199-ea6f3f575a44@auf.org>

Hello everyone ,

I have a list with many subscribers with different email addresses , 
when users send to the list from any domain like yahoo or gmail it is 
rejected by some servers like yahoo as the domain of sender is yahoo for 
example while yahoo doesn't allow the ip of our server as permitted 
sender and emails sent to the list are sent from the server ip but with 
users address , is there a way to change the sender address to our 
domain which permits our ip as sender , while keeping the reply to 
address that of the original sender , so that the sender would be known 
to others

Thanks in advance ,

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From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Jul 19 10:45:18 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 07:45:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message not accepted for policy reasons
In-Reply-To: <b2006308-af4e-2cca-2199-ea6f3f575a44@auf.org>
References: <b2006308-af4e-2cca-2199-ea6f3f575a44@auf.org>
Message-ID: <7c351c82-936d-0fe0-2dd9-2c3136413490@msapiro.net>

On 07/19/2017 06:23 AM, Radwa Hamed wrote:
> 
> is there a way to change the sender address to our
> domain which permits our ip as sender , while keeping the reply to
> address that of the original sender , so that the sender would be known
> to others


See <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891458>

In Mailman 2.1.18+ setting Privacy options... -> Sender filters ->
dmarc_moderation_action to "Munge From" will do exactly what you ask.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Jul 19 11:05:42 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 08:05:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and gmail
In-Reply-To: <2113158176.363683.1500469993348@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2113158176.363683.1500469993348.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2113158176.363683.1500469993348@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c6fbe454-a7f5-cc6b-d5fe-45e35e49f61f@msapiro.net>

On 07/19/2017 06:13 AM, Kevin Nowaczyk via Mailman-Users wrote:
> ... dmarc_none_moderation_action is No. ...
> After changing to "Munge From" it still has a DMARC fail. What are the differences that I should be seeing after changing the dmarc_moderation_action? Here is an authentication header of a message from a gmail user to a gmail user.

gmail.com publishes DMARC p=none

_dmarc.gmail.com.	399	IN	TXT	"v=DMARC1; p=none;
rua=mailto:mailauth-reports at google.com"

Thus, you will see no differences in mail From: gmail.com unless you
also set dmarc_none_moderation_action to Yes. (Note that this setting is
not really recommended and is not available in Mailman 3's DMARC
mitigations.)

The underlying issue may be (speculating here) that Gmail doesn't like
mail From: gmail.com with broken gmail.com DKIM signatures. If so, this
is contrary to the recommendation of the DKIM standard RFC 6376. Section
6.3 of that RFC says in part:

   If the email cannot be verified, then it SHOULD be treated the same
   as all unverified email, regardless of whether or not it looks like
   it was signed.


-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From Richard at Damon-Family.org  Thu Jul 20 06:58:23 2017
From: Richard at Damon-Family.org (Richard Damon)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 06:58:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and gmail
In-Reply-To: <2113158176.363683.1500469993348@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2113158176.363683.1500469993348.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2113158176.363683.1500469993348@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <972674ff-9baf-09f9-1267-735c25b9658a@Damon-Family.org>

On 7/19/17 9:13 AM, Kevin Nowaczyk via Mailman-Users wrote:
> I've recently been hearing that some subscribers to a club mailing list who use gmail are having all messages pushed to their spam folder. One user said it's only an issue when the sender is a gmail user as well. I'm running mailman 2.1.23 and had dmarc_moderation_action set to the default value..which I think was Accept. I recently changed it to "Munge From". The dmarc_quarantine_moderation_action is set to yes, and dmarc_none_moderation_action is No. When using the old settings gmail listed messgaes as: SPF PASS, DKIM "Neutral with domain null", and DMARC FAIL, but when a non-gmail user sent a message the DMARC was not listed.
> After changing to "Munge From" it still has a DMARC fail. What are the differences that I should be seeing after changing the dmarc_moderation_action? Here is an authentication header of a message from a gmail user to a gmail user.
> ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com;
>         dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@gmail.com header.b=dAmiQOEo;
>         spf=pass (google.com: domain of bockbrew-bounces at lists.bockbrew.com designates 65.181.121.110 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bockbrew-bounces at lists.bockbrew.com;
>         dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com
> Thanks for any help,Kevin Nowaczyk
My experience with GMail is that a message with a broken DKIM signature 
(because of list modification of the message) will cause the message to 
be put into the spam folder unless you have your list resign the message 
or establish a SPF setting for the domain.

One warning, if you do establish SPF for your domain, then anyone who 
sets up a 'forwarding' for your list emails to gmail (or someone who 
checks SPF records) will start to bounce.

-- 
Richard Damon


From adamsca at gmail.com  Thu Jul 20 12:16:12 2017
From: adamsca at gmail.com (Christopher Adams)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:16:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests not being sent, accumulating instead
Message-ID: <CAA13W+8PDHx6+gD+=7fW79e13eAUNZGVgXqMgfT5-3TcT8rfGg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I noticed that a list digest is not being sent. The list is set to send a
daily digest regardless if the quota has been reached.

I verified that the cron is running:

Jul 16 12:00:01 swiki CROND[44968]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S
/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests)

The digest.mbox has accumulated since 7/16 til the present.

I would appreciate any ideas about what might be happening and how to
resolve it.

Many thanks,

Christopher Adams

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jul 20 12:38:10 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:38:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests not being sent, accumulating instead
In-Reply-To: <CAA13W+8PDHx6+gD+=7fW79e13eAUNZGVgXqMgfT5-3TcT8rfGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA13W+8PDHx6+gD+=7fW79e13eAUNZGVgXqMgfT5-3TcT8rfGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df3f3b70-f55c-26a8-e41c-ac49d3b3f379@msapiro.net>

On 07/20/2017 09:16 AM, Christopher Adams wrote:
> 
> I noticed that a list digest is not being sent. The list is set to send a
> daily digest regardless if the quota has been reached.
> 
> I verified that the cron is running:
> 
> Jul 16 12:00:01 swiki CROND[44968]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S
> /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests)
> 
> The digest.mbox has accumulated since 7/16 til the present.


There is probably some defective message in the digest.mbox which is
causing some exception to be thrown in processing the digest.

Part of the issue is you probably never see the output from Mailman's
crons when they encounter errors. See <https://wiki.list.org/x/10715167>.

You can run

cron/senddigests

or

cron/senddigests -l <problem_list>

as the mailman user manually from the command line to get more
information on the error.

The ultimate solution will be to remove the problem message from the
digest.mbox or fix it.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From adamsca at gmail.com  Thu Jul 20 13:14:53 2017
From: adamsca at gmail.com (Christopher Adams)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 10:14:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests not being sent, accumulating instead
In-Reply-To: <df3f3b70-f55c-26a8-e41c-ac49d3b3f379@msapiro.net>
References: <CAA13W+8PDHx6+gD+=7fW79e13eAUNZGVgXqMgfT5-3TcT8rfGg@mail.gmail.com>
 <df3f3b70-f55c-26a8-e41c-ac49d3b3f379@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <CAA13W+_3hWyW03VOKDkQP_VotMx9DknHoNaaoimbQ7_qWwcGEg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for your suggestion. I ran the 'senddigests' command on the list
and the digest was delivered successfully. No errors.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 07/20/2017 09:16 AM, Christopher Adams wrote:
> >
> > I noticed that a list digest is not being sent. The list is set to send a
> > daily digest regardless if the quota has been reached.
> >
> > I verified that the cron is running:
> >
> > Jul 16 12:00:01 swiki CROND[44968]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S
> > /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests)
> >
> > The digest.mbox has accumulated since 7/16 til the present.
>
>
> There is probably some defective message in the digest.mbox which is
> causing some exception to be thrown in processing the digest.
>
> Part of the issue is you probably never see the output from Mailman's
> crons when they encounter errors. See <https://wiki.list.org/x/10715167>.
>
> You can run
>
> cron/senddigests
>
> or
>
> cron/senddigests -l <problem_list>
>
> as the mailman user manually from the command line to get more
> information on the error.
>
> The ultimate solution will be to remove the problem message from the
> digest.mbox or fix it.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
> ------------------------------------------------------
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adamsca at gmail.com

From mark at msapiro.net  Thu Jul 20 14:04:05 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 11:04:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digests not being sent, accumulating instead
In-Reply-To: <CAA13W+_3hWyW03VOKDkQP_VotMx9DknHoNaaoimbQ7_qWwcGEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA13W+8PDHx6+gD+=7fW79e13eAUNZGVgXqMgfT5-3TcT8rfGg@mail.gmail.com>
 <df3f3b70-f55c-26a8-e41c-ac49d3b3f379@msapiro.net>
 <CAA13W+_3hWyW03VOKDkQP_VotMx9DknHoNaaoimbQ7_qWwcGEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <07f55f3b-e914-61c2-37dc-de2ecb8cf6ff@msapiro.net>

On 07/20/2017 10:14 AM, Christopher Adams wrote:
> Thank you for your suggestion. I ran the 'senddigests' command on the list
> and the digest was delivered successfully. No errors.


OK, but then it should have been sent by cron.


>> On 07/20/2017 09:16 AM, Christopher Adams wrote:
>>>
>>> I noticed that a list digest is not being sent. The list is set to send a
>>> daily digest regardless if the quota has been reached.
>>>
>>> I verified that the cron is running:
>>>
>>> Jul 16 12:00:01 swiki CROND[44968]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S
>>> /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests)
>>>
>>> The digest.mbox has accumulated since 7/16 til the present.


Is it possible that there were no messages between July 16 and noon on
July 19 and the messages in digest.mbox were all since then and would
have been sent by cron?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jul 23 20:09:33 2017
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 19:09:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Second Name
Message-ID: <auto-000086654272@mailfront2.g2host.com>

One of my users has requested a list -- let's call it 
list1 at example.org.  He wants a second name for this list -- 
list2 at example.org  He says he heard Mailman can do this.  I have 
experimented a little, but can't see how.

Can Mailman do this -- and if so, what do I do.

Dave


From cpz at tuunq.com  Sun Jul 23 20:59:39 2017
From: cpz at tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 17:59:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Second Name
In-Reply-To: <auto-000086654272@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000086654272@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <a3a1cfe1-d78d-8b94-716f-ac512cd69955@tuunq.com>

On 7/23/2017 5:09 PM, David Andrews wrote:
> One of my users has requested a list -- let's call it list1 at example.org.  He 
> wants a second name for this list -- list2 at example.org  He says he heard 
> Mailman can do this.  I have experimented a little, but can't see how.

You can sort of get that by creating list2 as an umbrella list that only 
contains list1, but they're still different lists, and that's not the same 
as two names for one list. (I can't see how to do that either.)

Later,

z!


From Richard at Damon-Family.org  Sun Jul 23 21:35:57 2017
From: Richard at Damon-Family.org (Richard Damon)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 21:35:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Second Name
In-Reply-To: <auto-000086654272@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000086654272@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <0ead01a0-34a9-6f05-23a9-eb2a3c15ba56@Damon-Family.org>

On 7/23/17 8:09 PM, David Andrews wrote:
> One of my users has requested a list -- let's call it 
> list1 at example.org.  He wants a second name for this list -- 
> list2 at example.org  He says he heard Mailman can do this.  I have 
> experimented a little, but can't see how.
>
> Can Mailman do this -- and if so, what do I do.
>
> Dave
>
One way that is close is to create list1 at example.org, and a mailbox 
list2 at example.org, then you have mailbox list2 forward all email to 
list1. Define in the configuration that list1 will consider the address 
list2 at example.org as an email addressed to it (Privacy Options / 
Recipient filters / Alias Names )

list2 won't be a list in the sense of having a subscription page or its 
own archives, etc.


-- 
Richard Damon


From gtaylor at tnetconsulting.net  Sun Jul 23 22:19:51 2017
From: gtaylor at tnetconsulting.net (Grant Taylor)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 20:19:51 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Second Name
In-Reply-To: <auto-000086654272@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000086654272@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <4cd04bb7-0536-761b-81e2-b59b6e4caf40@tnetconsulting.net>

On 07/23/2017 06:09 PM, David Andrews wrote:
> One of my users has requested a list -- let's call it
> list1 at example.org.  He wants a second name for this list --
> list2 at example.org  He says he heard Mailman can do this.  I have
> experimented a little, but can't see how.
> 
> Can Mailman do this -- and if so, what do I do.

It's been a long time since I've admined Mailman, so I'm not sure.

If Mailman can't do this itself, I'd try to get the MTA that interfaces
with Mailman to do help.  Specifically, create aliases for list2 that
actually reference list1.

Ultimately both SMTP envelope addresses would pass into the same list
inside of Mailman.

list1:             "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post list1"
list1-admin:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin list1"
list1-bounces:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces list1"

list2:             "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post list1"
list2-admin:       "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin list1"
list2-bounces:     "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces list1"



-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die


From gtaylor at tnetconsulting.net  Sun Jul 23 22:40:12 2017
From: gtaylor at tnetconsulting.net (Grant Taylor)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 20:40:12 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Second Name
In-Reply-To: <4cd04bb7-0536-761b-81e2-b59b6e4caf40@tnetconsulting.net>
References: <auto-000086654272@mailfront2.g2host.com>
 <4cd04bb7-0536-761b-81e2-b59b6e4caf40@tnetconsulting.net>
Message-ID: <b35fd454-4f0b-bb0b-168d-febd212f38a3@tnetconsulting.net>

On 07/23/2017 08:19 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote:
> If Mailman can't do this itself, I'd try to get the MTA that interfaces
> with Mailman to do help.  Specifically, create aliases for list2 that
> actually reference list1.
> 
> Ultimately both SMTP envelope addresses would pass into the same list
> inside of Mailman.

Note:  You may need to tweak the mailing list inside of Mailman and make
it aware that it has an additional name / email address that it should
treat as being to the list.



-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die


From cmsamsi at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 24 14:12:24 2017
From: cmsamsi at hotmail.com (Caesar Samsi)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 18:12:24 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Second Name
In-Reply-To: <b35fd454-4f0b-bb0b-168d-febd212f38a3@tnetconsulting.net>
References: <auto-000086654272@mailfront2.g2host.com>
 <4cd04bb7-0536-761b-81e2-b59b6e4caf40@tnetconsulting.net>
 <b35fd454-4f0b-bb0b-168d-febd212f38a3@tnetconsulting.net>
Message-ID: <C03D9808-0987-4543-8A09-DB1C9E5A92D4@hotmail.com>

It sounds like you want to create a master list which has list1 and list2 as members.

Couldn?t you just add list1 and list2 email addresses to the master list membership list?

> On Jul 23, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users <mailman-users at python.org> wrote:
> 
> On 07/23/2017 08:19 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote:
>> If Mailman can't do this itself, I'd try to get the MTA that interfaces
>> with Mailman to do help.  Specifically, create aliases for list2 that
>> actually reference list1.
>> 
>> Ultimately both SMTP envelope addresses would pass into the same list
>> inside of Mailman.
> 
> Note:  You may need to tweak the mailing list inside of Mailman and make
> it aware that it has an additional name / email address that it should
> treat as being to the list.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Grant. . . .
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> 
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From gtaylor at tnetconsulting.net  Tue Jul 25 22:09:39 2017
From: gtaylor at tnetconsulting.net (Grant Taylor)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 20:09:39 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Second Name
In-Reply-To: <C03D9808-0987-4543-8A09-DB1C9E5A92D4@hotmail.com>
References: <auto-000086654272@mailfront2.g2host.com>
 <4cd04bb7-0536-761b-81e2-b59b6e4caf40@tnetconsulting.net>
 <b35fd454-4f0b-bb0b-168d-febd212f38a3@tnetconsulting.net>
 <C03D9808-0987-4543-8A09-DB1C9E5A92D4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a627b08-5a6b-56d1-cab2-baae87253f7d@tnetconsulting.net>

On 07/24/2017 12:12 PM, Caesar Samsi wrote:
> It sounds like you want to create a master list which has list1 and 
> list2 as members.

I understood David (OP) to be asking for something different.

list1 at example.org is the canonical list

David is asking for an alternate name, list2 at example.org, for the same list.

So, list1 at example.org and list2 at example.org are the same list.

> Couldn?t you just add list1 and list2 email addresses to the master 
> list membership list?

Seeing as how list1 and list2 are two references to the same list, I
think that this is inapplicable as such.

I suppose list2 at example.org could be the master / umbrella list that has
list1 at example.org as a member, as Carl suggested.  -  However, despite
the viability, I think this technique an inelegant hack to accomplish
what I understand the David's goal to be.



-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die


From dlugasny at protonmail.com  Wed Jul 26 15:43:43 2017
From: dlugasny at protonmail.com (Dlugasny)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 15:43:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to check if E-mail from Mailman was opened by
 the subscriber ?
Message-ID: <d_Cl7dv7n_itVCIDm6q5w4qc22y7d4WVD1ZzQWRuEpaF_f7kqFM2dtklLryiXOY0_E1djKOKAupeJ7H7GkCis5Suq6bff2NKrM2BEta7p64=@protonmail.com>

HI,
we are using Mailman to send out our company newsletters.
Is it possible to get some how any statistics about Mailman E-mails opened by the users ? I simply would like to be informed if user opened an E-mail. WIll it be possible ?
Is it possible to get some statistics about bounced E-mails ?
Thank You very much for Your support in advance.
Greetings
Dlugasny

Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.

From luscheina at yahoo.de  Thu Jul 27 11:09:36 2017
From: luscheina at yahoo.de (Christian F Buser)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 17:09:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to check if E-mail from Mailman was opened
 by the subscriber ?
In-Reply-To: <d_Cl7dv7n_itVCIDm6q5w4qc22y7d4WVD1ZzQWRuEpaF_f7kqFM2dtklLryiXOY0_E1djKOKAupeJ7H7GkCis5Suq6bff2NKrM2BEta7p64=@protonmail.com>
References: <d_Cl7dv7n_itVCIDm6q5w4qc22y7d4WVD1ZzQWRuEpaF_f7kqFM2dtklLryiXOY0_E1djKOKAupeJ7H7GkCis5Suq6bff2NKrM2BEta7p64=@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170727170936832754.4a5e4ff1@yahoo.de>

Hello Dlugasny via Mailman-Users. On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 15:43:43 -0400, you wrote:

> we are using Mailman to send out our company newsletters.
> Is it possible to get some how any statistics about Mailman E-mails 
> opened by the users ? I simply would like to be informed if user 
> opened an E-mail.

No idea whether it is POSSIBLE, but I think it is a really BAD IDEA. 

Compare it with normal (paper, snail mail) you send out to your clients. There, you have no guarantee if the recipient opened it / looked at it - unless you send it by "registered mail". 

You really want to send the newsletters as registered mail to your clients? If I were youre client, I would be a FORMER client as soon as I notice this. 

I know that this is not what you want to know - but I think you should re-think the idea at least twice...

Christian 
-- 
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Hilfe fuer Strassenkinder in Ghana: http://www.chance-for-children.org

From david at midrange.com  Thu Jul 27 11:41:38 2017
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 10:41:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to check if E-mail from Mailman was opened
 by the subscriber ?
In-Reply-To: <20170727170936832754.4a5e4ff1@yahoo.de>
References: <d_Cl7dv7n_itVCIDm6q5w4qc22y7d4WVD1ZzQWRuEpaF_f7kqFM2dtklLryiXOY0_E1djKOKAupeJ7H7GkCis5Suq6bff2NKrM2BEta7p64=@protonmail.com>
 <20170727170936832754.4a5e4ff1@yahoo.de>
Message-ID: <old1jd$ftc$1@blaine.gmane.org>

On 7/27/2017 10:09 AM, Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users wrote:
> Compare it with normal (paper, snail mail) you send out to your
> clients. There, you have no guarantee if the recipient opened it /
> looked at it - unless you send it by "registered mail".

FWIW: Even sending registered snail mail is no guarantee that the letter was opened or read ... just that it was delivered.

As to the OP's question ... There's no sure way to verify a message has been read.  Some MLM systems use HTML beacons, but they are trivial to defeat. In fact, most email programs provide the option to not load remote images when viewing. Also, if someone chooses to read all mail in plain text, the beacon is meaningless.

david


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You can see where my donations come from by visiting my interactive donation map ... http://gmane.diabetessucks.net/map (it's a geeky thing).

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From heller at deepsoft.com  Thu Jul 27 13:04:16 2017
From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 13:04:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to check if E-mail from Mailman was opened
 by the subscriber ?
In-Reply-To: <d_Cl7dv7n_itVCIDm6q5w4qc22y7d4WVD1ZzQWRuEpaF_f7kqFM2dtklLryiXOY0_E1djKOKAupeJ7H7GkCis5Suq6bff2NKrM2BEta7p64=@protonmail.com>
References: <d_Cl7dv7n_itVCIDm6q5w4qc22y7d4WVD1ZzQWRuEpaF_f7kqFM2dtklLryiXOY0_E1djKOKAupeJ7H7GkCis5Suq6bff2NKrM2BEta7p64=@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170727170416.5A0817323DA@sharky3.deepsoft.com>

At Wed, 26 Jul 2017 15:43:43 -0400 Dlugasny <dlugasny at protonmail.com> wrote:

> 
> HI,
> we are using Mailman to send out our company newsletters.
> Is it possible to get some how any statistics about Mailman E-mails opened
> by the users ? I simply would like to be informed if user opened an E-mail.
> WIll it be possible ?

There is no way for Mailman to directly test to see if an E-Mail has been
opened. *Unless* you do something the spammers do and most spam filters will
easily detect: you can include a small (0x0 even) image in HTML E-Mail that is
actually a script on your webserver. This will only be opened by a HTML
capable E-Mail client and might be blocked by spam control and/or malware
checking software. Basically, there is no reliable way to test for actually
opened E-Mail. All you can know for sure is if the E-Mail was delivered and
accepted by the final MTA server. Whether that server tossed the message into
the bit bucket, or if the end-user deleted it unread or just never got around
to actually opening message is not something you can be totally sure of.

> Is it possible to get some statistics about bounced E-mails ?

Yes, this information is going to be somewhere in Mailman's logs.

> Thank You very much for Your support in advance.
> Greetings
> Dlugasny
> 
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From gtaylor at tnetconsulting.net  Thu Jul 27 13:37:42 2017
From: gtaylor at tnetconsulting.net (Grant Taylor)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 11:37:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to check if E-mail from Mailman was opened
 by the subscriber ?
In-Reply-To: <20170727170416.5A0817323DA@sharky3.deepsoft.com>
References: <d_Cl7dv7n_itVCIDm6q5w4qc22y7d4WVD1ZzQWRuEpaF_f7kqFM2dtklLryiXOY0_E1djKOKAupeJ7H7GkCis5Suq6bff2NKrM2BEta7p64=@protonmail.com>
 <20170727170416.5A0817323DA@sharky3.deepsoft.com>
Message-ID: <96fab120-60c0-f1dc-950c-c3f5997aced8@tnetconsulting.net>

On 07/27/2017 11:04 AM, Robert Heller wrote:
> All you can know for sure is if the E-Mail was delivered and accepted by the 
> final MTA server.

You can't even be 100% sure of that.

You can use SMTP's DSN feature to request to be notified when a message 
is delivered.  However, chances are good that you will run into a server 
that will send back a DSN stating that the message has been relayed into 
a server / network that does not support DSNs.  Thus no assurance that 
the message even made it to the final MTA server.

> Whether that server tossed the message into
> the bit bucket, or if the end-user deleted it unread or just never got around
> to actually opening message is not something you can be totally sure of.

You can add a header to request an MDN, a.k.a. return receipt. 
Supposedly MDNs are supposed to tell you if a message was displayed. 
However that does not mean that the message was actually read.

Both DSNs and MDNs are fairly easy to thwart.  -  That being said, they 
are probably the best methods to go towards your goal.  It's just very 
likely that you will not actually achieve your goal.

There are other tricks, like images in HTML email, that can be used. 
They tend to be subject to various opinions about how spamy they are. 
Many of which are frowned upon for that reason.

*IF* you really do want to do something like this, use a graphic that is 
unique per user, make it actually show up (as more than 0x0 / 1x1 / etc) 
like a company logo does, and then track that way.



-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die


From odhiambo at gmail.com  Sat Jul 29 05:28:35 2017
From: odhiambo at gmail.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:28:35 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nightly_htdig
Message-ID: <CAAdA2WPR0j0KPtJT0E7-xUhh0M0T6Ve1=MLZCv_YPW4e7g4h+g@mail.gmail.com>

I am facing a weird problem with nightly_htdig. It's been refusing to
complete of late. I would find the process still running even in the
morning.
Using `top`, I see it's the topmost process. I then decide to kill it, and
it dumps core, which I believe is okay, but what would cause this
behaviour, especially started after I upgraded to 2.1.24

I have rebuilt the archives, but that hasn't changed things.

Maybe it's something not related to mailman....




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Nairobi,KE
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"Oh, the cruft."

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Jul 29 10:11:18 2017
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 07:11:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nightly_htdig
In-Reply-To: <CAAdA2WPR0j0KPtJT0E7-xUhh0M0T6Ve1=MLZCv_YPW4e7g4h+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAdA2WPR0j0KPtJT0E7-xUhh0M0T6Ve1=MLZCv_YPW4e7g4h+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1632301d-a246-04cc-73ef-539617166601@msapiro.net>

On 7/29/17 2:28 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> I am facing a weird problem with nightly_htdig. It's been refusing to
> complete of late. I would find the process still running even in the
> morning.
> Using `top`, I see it's the topmost process. I then decide to kill it, and
> it dumps core, which I believe is okay, but what would cause this
> behaviour, especially started after I upgraded to 2.1.24
> 
> I have rebuilt the archives, but that hasn't changed things.
> 
> Maybe it's something not related to mailman....


The htdig search engine <http://www.htdig.org/> is not part of Mailman
per se. It has not been supported for a long time. Richard Barrett
developed patches to integrate htdig search with Mailman 2.1 archives. I
have since incorporated those patches into a branch at
<https://code.launchpad.net/~msapiro/mailman/htdig> which is kept in
sync with the Mailman 2.1 master branch at
<https://code.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1>.

You may be able to use tools like gdb to find out more about the running
process before you kill it or to inspect the core dump.

You can also look at the Note: on each list's archive index page to see
when the archive search index was last rebuilt. This will help you find
on which list the process is "stuck".

Other questions I would have are:
How did you install Mailman?
How did you install htdig, and which version?
How did you upgrade Mailman to 2.1.24?
What steps did you follow to rebuild the archives?

All I can tell you is I run what is for this purpose essentially the
head of the <https://code.launchpad.net/~msapiro/mailman/htdig> branch
and htdig 3.2.0b6 installed from source, and I don't see this issue.

I do know that depending on the actual server resources available,
rebuilding the index for a large archive (tens of thousands or more
posts) can take a long time.

-- 
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San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From turnbull.stephen.fw at u.tsukuba.ac.jp  Sun Jul 30 14:09:36 2017
From: turnbull.stephen.fw at u.tsukuba.ac.jp (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 03:09:36 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to check if E-mail from Mailman was opened by
 the subscriber ?
In-Reply-To: <d_Cl7dv7n_itVCIDm6q5w4qc22y7d4WVD1ZzQWRuEpaF_f7kqFM2dtklLryiXOY0_E1djKOKAupeJ7H7GkCis5Suq6bff2NKrM2BEta7p64=@protonmail.com>
References: <d_Cl7dv7n_itVCIDm6q5w4qc22y7d4WVD1ZzQWRuEpaF_f7kqFM2dtklLryiXOY0_E1djKOKAupeJ7H7GkCis5Suq6bff2NKrM2BEta7p64=@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <22910.8416.596898.776381@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

Dlugasny via Mailman-Users writes:

 > Is it possible to get some how any statistics about Mailman E-mails
 > opened by the users ? I simply would like to be informed if user
 > opened an E-mail. WIll it be possible ?

Mailman itself has no such option.  See other replies for possible
ways to craft your mail to get this effect, although reliability is
not 100%.

 > Is it possible to get some statistics about bounced E-mails ?

No cumulative statistics are kept, but bounces are logged to
mailman/logs/bounce (relative to the Mailman installation prefix,
typically /var/lib/).

You can get the list of members disabled due to bounce with
"mailman/bin/list_members --nomail=bybounce".

Internally Mailman keeps statistics about bounces since last
successful delivery for each subscriber.  These statistics can be
accessed using mailman/bin/withlist and writing some code.  (Mark may
have a script that has not byet been included in the distribution.)
I doubt this is very useful, though, since it is likely to reset
frequently.