[melbourne-pug] Windows thoughts

[Teguh Iskanto]

CPU Cycle is expensive, why not try cygwin ?
http://www.cygwin.com/
and you get a whole bunch of other GNU stuffs too

rgds
TI

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Mike Dewhirst <miked at dewhirst.com.au> wrote:

> On 2/07/2010 4:18pm, Sam Lai wrote:
>
>>
>> You have an XP license then. Why not just wipe Windows 7 and install
>> XP?
>>
>
> As I said earlier, death, taxes and ... I can't escape it if I want to help
> my clients (ie stay in business!).
>
> So I think keeping a WinXP VM and a couple of linux VMs lets me target all
> platforms I'm needing to. It will be a while before I'm up to speed with
> this blasted Win 7 though.
>
>
>
>>  7. UAC - what were they thinking? I admit it is necessary and also
>>> that the Unix/Linux security model takes getting used to in the
>>> beginning. But it is worthwhile putting the effort in for Linux
>>> because it is stable. It's a good return over a long term
>>> investment. I don't trust MS to get UAC right for quite some time
>>> so why should I invest my meagre brainspace in their ever-changing
>>> ideas?
>>>
>>
>> Not really. UAC is largely only enforcing what Microsoft have been
>> recommending as best practice since 2000/XP launched.
>>
>> Running as the admin user was never recommended practice; neither
>> was applications writing into locations other than the user profile
>> directory. These are two most common reasons elevation is required.
>> Next would probably be making OS-level queries/changes, but the
>> additional pain here is just including a manifest so Windows
>> requests elevation from the user before launching your app.
>>
>>
> OK - I don't develop as root on linux and there isn't any problem there.
>
> I guess I'll have to come to terms with group policies and tweak them so I
> can write and test code and install stuff without needing to reach for a
> stiff whisky. Then, just like Linux, I'll create unprivileged users to test
> it. I wonder if there is a "best practice" setup for this sort of thing?
> Might have to go googling.
>
> It would be nice if there was a sudo in Win7 because this laptop has a
> fingerprint reader which saves a lot of typing :)
>
> Mike
>
> --
>
>
>  That said, you have said it yourself - UAC is a good thing in the
>> long run. They have to start somewhere. Given that the changes to
>> UAC between Vista and 7 were minimal (main change was the reduction
>> of prompts for common user tasks, primarily when using Windows
>> Explorer), the changes in Windows 8 are likely to be additive, rather
>> than code-breaking.
>>
>>  Unfortunately some are looking at Windows 7 and as I discovered you
>>> cannot buy a Windows laptop without it!
>>>
>>
>> Yeh, that's pretty disappointing. Although understandably, once you
>> have that advantage with PC manufacturers, obviously throwing it
>> away would be an incredibly poor business decision. Are Dell still
>> continuing their Linux preload experiment?
>>
>> Has anyone successfully gotten their Windows licence fee refunded in
>> Australia? It has taken over 4 weeks and my DOA laptop refund still
>> hasn't been completed from manufacturer X; congrats to those who
>> manage to wrestle a refund for Windows out of any manufacturer.
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