From gus at projectgus.com  Sun Aug  4 07:10:30 2013
From: gus at projectgus.com (Angus Gratton)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 15:10:30 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Open Tech School - Social Coding with Git - this
	Saturday
Message-ID: <20130804051027.GD9865@ex2.chainxor.org>

Hi Python folks,

I wanted to let you know about another Open Tech School workshop, this
time we're deviating from our previous Python focus and doing "Social
Coding with Git".

Full details of the workshop:
http://www.meetup.com/OpenTechSchool-Melbourne/events/131923012/

We have room for both coaches and participants. If you want to come as
a participant to learn git, you can RSVP on Meetup. If you want to
come to coach (ie help out the participants) please don't RSVP there
(spaces are limited), instead just email me off-list and let me know.

Cheers,

Angus

From javier at candeira.com  Sun Aug  4 08:49:39 2013
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 16:49:39 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] August meeting tomorrow Monday 5th, 6pm Inspire 9,
	41 Stewart Street Richmond
Message-ID: <CAKADsbcCDwcya+yFbEf+rchsZpgXr55kVbmpfVkiBPb5vo=hnQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is a reminder that the next meeting of the Melbourne Python Users
Group will be tomorrow 5 August, starting at 6pm, and as usual at Inspire9,
Level 1, 41 Stewart St Richmond. Just outside Richmond train station.

We have two scheduled talks:

- Highlights of PyCon AU 2013 -- Graeme, Richard, Tennessee, and anyone
else who wants to contribute! (Please do...)
- Why and how to upgrade to Python 3.3 with the "future" module -- Ed Schofield

Also as usual, there'll be pizza from Crust at the tune of $10 per
person. Please let us know when you pay whether you have any dietary
requirement: vegetarian, vegan, fish allergy, etc. Aaaand also there's beer
from the Inspire 9 fridge, with a minimum donation of $5, or more if
you feel like it. They provide the space for free and they stock the
beer fridge, so let's shout them a couple of bottles!

Thanks,

Javier and the MPUG organisers.

From javier at candeira.com  Tue Aug  6 12:18:53 2013
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:18:53 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Thanks for coming yesterday
In-Reply-To: <CAKADsbeU8xLVYJTWS00HX=5qGUAnaO5c0Vx9rQC-RN_Zq=Ym3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKADsbdVywXnVDrP-6mhwcrhM8qgq8hxA4gz-5MVmZtB7K+cNA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKADsbc_pF-E4T7U9jZ=aeKr41+Ows=gkEcGNhGi1rQsPXPd9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKADsbeU8xLVYJTWS00HX=5qGUAnaO5c0Vx9rQC-RN_Zq=Ym3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKADsbc+p0=JPw5wL=LEZGwo9dz0vRbiHiA8y5zd2iE07geUZw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks everyone for coming to the Melbourne Python Users Group meeting.

Four those of you who are starting, or for those teaching newcomers, a
great debugging guide:
http://i.imgur.com/2orxtK2.png

Javier
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From doanviettrung at gmail.com  Tue Aug  6 12:31:34 2013
From: doanviettrung at gmail.com (DoanVietTrungAtGmail)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:31:34 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Thanks for coming yesterday
In-Reply-To: <CAKADsbc+p0=JPw5wL=LEZGwo9dz0vRbiHiA8y5zd2iE07geUZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKADsbdVywXnVDrP-6mhwcrhM8qgq8hxA4gz-5MVmZtB7K+cNA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKADsbc_pF-E4T7U9jZ=aeKr41+Ows=gkEcGNhGi1rQsPXPd9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKADsbeU8xLVYJTWS00HX=5qGUAnaO5c0Vx9rQC-RN_Zq=Ym3w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFZXNMG18FD6myiFJjxmrYye16tVKg4_AgRZ2gTVd6PBR+=DRA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Javier, this looks useful to me as a beginner.

Regards
Trung
======


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com> wrote:

> Thanks everyone for coming to the Melbourne Python Users Group meeting.
>
> Four those of you who are starting, or for those teaching newcomers, a
> great debugging guide:
> http://i.imgur.com/2orxtK2.png
>
> Javier
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
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From ben+python at benfinney.id.au  Wed Aug  7 00:56:44 2013
From: ben+python at benfinney.id.au (Ben Finney)
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 08:56:44 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] =?utf-8?q?Debugging=3A_=E2=80=9CMy_code_isn=27t_w?=
 =?utf-8?q?orking_=3A-=28=E2=80=9D_=28was=3A_Thanks_for_coming_yesterday?=
 =?utf-8?q?=29?=
References: <CAKADsbdVywXnVDrP-6mhwcrhM8qgq8hxA4gz-5MVmZtB7K+cNA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKADsbc_pF-E4T7U9jZ=aeKr41+Ows=gkEcGNhGi1rQsPXPd9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKADsbeU8xLVYJTWS00HX=5qGUAnaO5c0Vx9rQC-RN_Zq=Ym3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKADsbc+p0=JPw5wL=LEZGwo9dz0vRbiHiA8y5zd2iE07geUZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7w7gfybf83.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au>

Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com> writes:

> Four those of you who are starting, or for those teaching newcomers, a
> great debugging guide:
> http://i.imgur.com/2orxtK2.png

A good chart, but out of date (there's an acknowledged mistake in the
chart).

The source is the Python for Biologists weblog, which has a discussion
and an updated flowchart ? in both PDF and PNG formats
<URL:http://pythonforbiologists.com/index.php/29-common-beginner-python-errors-on-one-page/>.

-- 
 \        ?I bought a dog the other day. I named him Stay. It's fun to |
  `\     call him. ?Come here, Stay! Come here, Stay!? He went insane. |
_o__)         Now he just ignores me and keeps typing.? ?Steven Wright |
Ben Finney


From javier at candeira.com  Wed Aug  7 01:42:30 2013
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:42:30 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug]
	=?utf-8?q?Debugging=3A_=E2=80=9CMy_code_isn=27t_w?=
	=?utf-8?q?orking_=3A-=28=E2=80=9D_=28was=3A_Thanks_for_coming_yest?=
	=?utf-8?q?erday=29?=
In-Reply-To: <7w7gfybf83.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au>
References: <CAKADsbdVywXnVDrP-6mhwcrhM8qgq8hxA4gz-5MVmZtB7K+cNA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKADsbc_pF-E4T7U9jZ=aeKr41+Ows=gkEcGNhGi1rQsPXPd9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKADsbeU8xLVYJTWS00HX=5qGUAnaO5c0Vx9rQC-RN_Zq=Ym3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKADsbc+p0=JPw5wL=LEZGwo9dz0vRbiHiA8y5zd2iE07geUZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7w7gfybf83.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au>
Message-ID: <CAKADsbdpKBAmtQG5euyE==BEA411ghQ=TEtTZmDdqdRec+NA3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ben, thanks for the update. Luckily I haven't posted it for our students yet.

J

On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Ben Finney <ben+python at benfinney.id.au> wrote:
> Javier Candeira <javier at candeira.com> writes:
>
>> Four those of you who are starting, or for those teaching newcomers, a
>> great debugging guide:
>> http://i.imgur.com/2orxtK2.png
>
> A good chart, but out of date (there's an acknowledged mistake in the
> chart).
>
> The source is the Python for Biologists weblog, which has a discussion
> and an updated flowchart ? in both PDF and PNG formats
> <URL:http://pythonforbiologists.com/index.php/29-common-beginner-python-errors-on-one-page/>.
>
> --
>  \        ?I bought a dog the other day. I named him Stay. It's fun to |
>   `\     call him. ?Come here, Stay! Come here, Stay!? He went insane. |
> _o__)         Now he just ignores me and keeps typing.? ?Steven Wright |
> Ben Finney
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug

From javier at candeira.com  Wed Aug  7 02:50:25 2013
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:50:25 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug]
	=?utf-8?q?Debugging=3A_=E2=80=9CMy_code_isn=27t_w?=
	=?utf-8?q?orking_=3A-=28=E2=80=9D_=28was=3A_Thanks_for_coming_yest?=
	=?utf-8?q?erday=29?=
In-Reply-To: <CAKADsbdpKBAmtQG5euyE==BEA411ghQ=TEtTZmDdqdRec+NA3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKADsbdVywXnVDrP-6mhwcrhM8qgq8hxA4gz-5MVmZtB7K+cNA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKADsbc_pF-E4T7U9jZ=aeKr41+Ows=gkEcGNhGi1rQsPXPd9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKADsbeU8xLVYJTWS00HX=5qGUAnaO5c0Vx9rQC-RN_Zq=Ym3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKADsbc+p0=JPw5wL=LEZGwo9dz0vRbiHiA8y5zd2iE07geUZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7w7gfybf83.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au>
	<CAKADsbdpKBAmtQG5euyE==BEA411ghQ=TEtTZmDdqdRec+NA3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKADsbeZT62AjSUApzXpwN2D-1wAiLxdEgeXd1Z0he+4g-Pn4g@mail.gmail.com>

And some notes about the testing frameworks and github API libraries
that I mentioned during the meeting:

Splinter: acceptance testing library, like a cross between cucumber
and selenium (apparently there is a Ruby lib called capybara that does
this) http://f.souza.cc/2011/05/splinter-python-tool-for-acceptance.html
Video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihjpKPRDlVw
Appium: a Selenium-like api for testing mobile apps: http://appium.io/
and https://github.com/appium/appium
Video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daVHCUHtOZ4&t=41m08s

Finally, if you need to automate github, I suggest you use a library
you can read through during a train commute, with time to spare: 240
odd lines of code, not with 9,000, 7,000 or 4,000:
https://github.com/michaelliao/githubpy

J

From gcross at fastmail.fm  Tue Aug 13 02:57:42 2013
From: gcross at fastmail.fm (Graeme Cross)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:57:42 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] My notes from last week's MPUG meeting
Message-ID: <1376355462.11305.9083315.0A5E0ED8@webmail.messagingengine.com>

For people who missed last week's MPUG meeting, here are my scattered
notes:

http://www.curiousvenn.com/2013/08/notes-from-mpug-august-2013/

Regards
Graeme

From santhosh.edukulla at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 07:58:30 2013
From: santhosh.edukulla at gmail.com (Santhosh Edukulla)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:28:30 +0530
Subject: [melbourne-pug] [ PERSONAL ] : Searching for a Job
Message-ID: <CAFjfUBsdRfUg5HYdHyz_yPcYCsHVSWHy8M0aJBx_grTA287g_A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

Good Day.

Apologies for this multicast! Though, iam searching for relevant job on
seek.com constantly, I thought this would be another good shot to convey my
need.

In brief:

Iam an IT professional currently staying in Sydney, with over 10 years of
work experience in software systems? design, development, maintenance of
various critical enterprise software and security solutions.

Iam writing this application enquiring to see if any of the members on this
group here could assist me finding a job.

I worked predominantly using below skill set, but not limiting only to them.

'C, C++, Python,  C#.NET, Shell Scripting,WebServices, xml,
sql,multithreading,multiprocessing applications. Worked on linux( mostly
),windows and few other OSs."**

At McAfee, I worked under various software security domains viz., Network
Software Security, Endpoint, System Security, Risk && Compliance and
product solution suites viz., World?s No 1 IPS\IDS, Firewall, Risk and
Compliance solution suite, ePO, MRA, McAfee Vulnerability Manager, Web
Gateway etc.

Apart from hands on coding, I have managed few software teams, delivered
enterprise software products with utmost quality including cross functional
team handling and stake holder management.

I have all authorization to work and stay anywhere in Australia. I am
available with short notice, interstate and ok to work on contract as well
permanent positions.  More than salary, passion for learning and working on
new and challenging things motivates me and keeps me going. Iam ok to work
in all aspects of software including QA,Automation.

Thanks in Advance!

Regards,

Santhosh Kumar Edukulla.

Skypeid: santhosh.edukulla
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From javier at candeira.com  Fri Aug 16 14:34:27 2013
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 22:34:27 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Melbourne Python Users Meeting - September 2,
 6PM - Inspire 9, 41 Stewart St
Message-ID: <CAKADsbcPRW2N-pssXEfFsreOoOHSWnshvVjRyZ05TH5j2FZEwg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Melbourne Pythonistas,

Here's the talk lineup for the September MPUG meeting:

# Richard Jones -- Don't do this!

In which Richard will tell you about some things you should never
(probably ever) do to or in Python. Warranties may be voided.

# Ryan Kelly -- PyPy.js: towards a fast and compliant python shell for
your browser

Ryan says: "This talk will highlight my experiments in porting PyPy to
the web platform: the what, the how, and the
why-on-earth-would-you-do-that."

We still have openings for short talks, so please put yourselves up
for a presentation on your favourite library or whatever Pythonic
endeavour has lately taken your fancy.

From gcross at fastmail.fm  Thu Aug 22 00:44:13 2013
From: gcross at fastmail.fm (Graeme Cross)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 08:44:13 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Django Hacknight tonight
Message-ID: <1377125053.30935.12640557.5F5F2A00@webmail.messagingengine.com>

I don't think this has been mentioned at MPUG, so if anyone is
interested - there is a Django hacknight happening tonight at Common
Code:

http://www.meetup.com/MelbDjango/events/135478042/

Regards
Graeme

From rasjid at familywilcox.net  Wed Aug 21 16:12:39 2013
From: rasjid at familywilcox.net (Rasjid Wilcox)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 00:12:39 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Unit Testing Tools
Message-ID: <5214CAD7.8060900@familywilcox.net>

Hi all,

To date I've mostly used Nose for my unit testing, but was just wanting 
to canvas views on what the current state of the art in Python testing 
is, and if I should be looking at something else.

Cheers,

Rasjid.


From miked at dewhirst.com.au  Thu Aug 22 02:01:36 2013
From: miked at dewhirst.com.au (Mike Dewhirst)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 10:01:36 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Unit Testing Tools
In-Reply-To: <5214CAD7.8060900@familywilcox.net>
References: <5214CAD7.8060900@familywilcox.net>
Message-ID: <521554E0.6000800@dewhirst.com.au>

On 22/08/2013 12:12am, Rasjid Wilcox wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> To date I've mostly used Nose for my unit testing, but was just wanting
> to canvas views on what the current state of the art in Python testing
> is, and if I should be looking at something else.

I'm just using unittest because it is how I started and it ain't broke. 
Most of my testing is in Django. I want to get coverage.py working but 
so far without any success. I've tried both django-coverage and 
discoverage but they blew up on me by testing everything in sight! For 
the time being I've given up and am sticking with unittest.

I will say, switching from postgres to sqlite3 for the tests has halved 
the time taken with only a tiny tweak to account for one slightly 
differently worded database error.

Mike

>
> Cheers,
>
> Rasjid.
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
>


From ben+python at benfinney.id.au  Thu Aug 22 06:15:36 2013
From: ben+python at benfinney.id.au (Ben Finney)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 14:15:36 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Unit Testing Tools
References: <5214CAD7.8060900@familywilcox.net>
Message-ID: <7w7gfe4azb.fsf@benfinney.id.au>

Rasjid Wilcox <rasjid at familywilcox.net> writes:

> To date I've mostly used Nose for my unit testing, but was just
> wanting to canvas views on what the current state of the art in Python
> testing is, and if I should be looking at something else.

I use Python 2.7, or Python 3, and use the standard library ?unittest?
along with ?testtools? <URL:http://testtools.readthedocs.org/>
and ?testscenarios? <URL:https://pypi.python.org/pypi/testscenarios>.

The ?unittest? library in Python's standard library has been
significantly improved. Developers using Python 3 get the full benefits,
but Python 2.7 also had many of the improvements back-ported.

* Test case discovery
* Specify test cases from command line
* More assertion methods, more comparison methods
* ?assertRaises? as a context manager (for ?with?)
* Adding cleanup functions
* Skipping tests conditionally
* Class-level and module-level fixtures
* etc.

Michael Foord was a primary developer and advocate of these
improvements. Here is his description from 2011
<URL:http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles/unittest2.shtml>.

All those improvements, along with the wonderful author-defined Matchers
in ?testtools? and the data-driven testing from ?testscenarios?, I
virtually have no need of anything more than those.

And they're easily accepted by my team, whereas switching to a different
test framework would be (correctly) met with much more resistance.

-- 
 \         ?Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they |
  `\      themselves were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors |
_o__)                        were dead and in Hell.? ?Henry L. Mencken |
Ben Finney


From delfick755 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 15:57:48 2013
From: delfick755 at gmail.com (Stephen Moore)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 23:57:48 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Unit Testing Tools
In-Reply-To: <7w7gfe4azb.fsf@benfinney.id.au>
References: <5214CAD7.8060900@familywilcox.net>
 <7w7gfe4azb.fsf@benfinney.id.au>
Message-ID: <CAB9-c3gX19EOAzwG3-X-YN=AHnD2bQpwr4+Ah8BupuGRTYo28g@mail.gmail.com>

That testtools thing looks pretty interesting, I haven't seen that before...

As for more suggestions,

I tend to make my tests with classes based inheriting from unittest.TestCase
Using nose for test discovery and plugins like my noseOfYeti plugin
https://noseofyeti.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
And fudge for mocking http://farmdev.com/projects/fudge/

Also, I haven't used it, but tox looks pretty cool
http://codespeak.net/tox/index.html

Stephen.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Ben Finney <ben+python at benfinney.id.au> wrote:
> Rasjid Wilcox <rasjid at familywilcox.net> writes:
>
>> To date I've mostly used Nose for my unit testing, but was just
>> wanting to canvas views on what the current state of the art in Python
>> testing is, and if I should be looking at something else.
>
> I use Python 2.7, or Python 3, and use the standard library ?unittest?
> along with ?testtools? <URL:http://testtools.readthedocs.org/>
> and ?testscenarios? <URL:https://pypi.python.org/pypi/testscenarios>.
>
> The ?unittest? library in Python's standard library has been
> significantly improved. Developers using Python 3 get the full benefits,
> but Python 2.7 also had many of the improvements back-ported.
>
> * Test case discovery
> * Specify test cases from command line
> * More assertion methods, more comparison methods
> * ?assertRaises? as a context manager (for ?with?)
> * Adding cleanup functions
> * Skipping tests conditionally
> * Class-level and module-level fixtures
> * etc.
>
> Michael Foord was a primary developer and advocate of these
> improvements. Here is his description from 2011
> <URL:http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles/unittest2.shtml>.
>
> All those improvements, along with the wonderful author-defined Matchers
> in ?testtools? and the data-driven testing from ?testscenarios?, I
> virtually have no need of anything more than those.
>
> And they're easily accepted by my team, whereas switching to a different
> test framework would be (correctly) met with much more resistance.
>
> --
>  \         ?Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they |
>   `\      themselves were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors |
> _o__)                        were dead and in Hell.? ?Henry L. Mencken |
> Ben Finney
>
> _______________________________________________
> melbourne-pug mailing list
> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug

From hartror at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 23:10:20 2013
From: hartror at gmail.com (Rory Hart)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:10:20 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Unit Testing Tools
In-Reply-To: <CAB9-c3gX19EOAzwG3-X-YN=AHnD2bQpwr4+Ah8BupuGRTYo28g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5214CAD7.8060900@familywilcox.net>
 <7w7gfe4azb.fsf@benfinney.id.au>
 <CAB9-c3gX19EOAzwG3-X-YN=AHnD2bQpwr4+Ah8BupuGRTYo28g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1B3D2BC0-147A-4A44-855F-FAEDEF643682@gmail.com>

Why fudge over Mock, with Mock in the python 3 stdlib?

On 22/08/2013, at 11:57 PM, Stephen Moore <delfick755 at gmail.com> wrote:

> That testtools thing looks pretty interesting, I haven't seen that before...
> 
> As for more suggestions,
> 
> I tend to make my tests with classes based inheriting from unittest.TestCase
> Using nose for test discovery and plugins like my noseOfYeti plugin
> https://noseofyeti.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
> And fudge for mocking http://farmdev.com/projects/fudge/
> 
> Also, I haven't used it, but tox looks pretty cool
> http://codespeak.net/tox/index.html
> 
> Stephen.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Ben Finney <ben+python at benfinney.id.au> wrote:
>> Rasjid Wilcox <rasjid at familywilcox.net> writes:
>> 
>>> To date I've mostly used Nose for my unit testing, but was just
>>> wanting to canvas views on what the current state of the art in Python
>>> testing is, and if I should be looking at something else.
>> 
>> I use Python 2.7, or Python 3, and use the standard library ?unittest?
>> along with ?testtools? <URL:http://testtools.readthedocs.org/>
>> and ?testscenarios? <URL:https://pypi.python.org/pypi/testscenarios>.
>> 
>> The ?unittest? library in Python's standard library has been
>> significantly improved. Developers using Python 3 get the full benefits,
>> but Python 2.7 also had many of the improvements back-ported.
>> 
>> * Test case discovery
>> * Specify test cases from command line
>> * More assertion methods, more comparison methods
>> * ?assertRaises? as a context manager (for ?with?)
>> * Adding cleanup functions
>> * Skipping tests conditionally
>> * Class-level and module-level fixtures
>> * etc.
>> 
>> Michael Foord was a primary developer and advocate of these
>> improvements. Here is his description from 2011
>> <URL:http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles/unittest2.shtml>.
>> 
>> All those improvements, along with the wonderful author-defined Matchers
>> in ?testtools? and the data-driven testing from ?testscenarios?, I
>> virtually have no need of anything more than those.
>> 
>> And they're easily accepted by my team, whereas switching to a different
>> test framework would be (correctly) met with much more resistance.
>> 
>> --
>> \         ?Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they |
>>  `\      themselves were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors |
>> _o__)                        were dead and in Hell.? ?Henry L. Mencken |
>> Ben Finney
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From delfick755 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 23:54:24 2013
From: delfick755 at gmail.com (Stephen Moore)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:54:24 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Unit Testing Tools
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Hmm, it is too.

I always preferred creating expectations before the mock is used rather
than use assertions after.

However, I just looked at mock and it does look a lot more powerful (I
can't remember what it was like when I started using fudge several years
ago). And fudge doesn't seem to have been active for quite a long time.

Stephen.
On Aug 23, 2013 7:10 AM, "Rory Hart" <hartror at gmail.com> wrote:

> Why fudge over Mock, with Mock in the python 3 stdlib?
>
> On 22/08/2013, at 11:57 PM, Stephen Moore <delfick755 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That testtools thing looks pretty interesting, I haven't seen that
> before...
> >
> > As for more suggestions,
> >
> > I tend to make my tests with classes based inheriting from
> unittest.TestCase
> > Using nose for test discovery and plugins like my noseOfYeti plugin
> > https://noseofyeti.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
> > And fudge for mocking http://farmdev.com/projects/fudge/
> >
> > Also, I haven't used it, but tox looks pretty cool
> > http://codespeak.net/tox/index.html
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Ben Finney <ben+python at benfinney.id.au>
> wrote:
> >> Rasjid Wilcox <rasjid at familywilcox.net> writes:
> >>
> >>> To date I've mostly used Nose for my unit testing, but was just
> >>> wanting to canvas views on what the current state of the art in Python
> >>> testing is, and if I should be looking at something else.
> >>
> >> I use Python 2.7, or Python 3, and use the standard library ?unittest?
> >> along with ?testtools? <URL:http://testtools.readthedocs.org/>
> >> and ?testscenarios? <URL:https://pypi.python.org/pypi/testscenarios>.
> >>
> >> The ?unittest? library in Python's standard library has been
> >> significantly improved. Developers using Python 3 get the full benefits,
> >> but Python 2.7 also had many of the improvements back-ported.
> >>
> >> * Test case discovery
> >> * Specify test cases from command line
> >> * More assertion methods, more comparison methods
> >> * ?assertRaises? as a context manager (for ?with?)
> >> * Adding cleanup functions
> >> * Skipping tests conditionally
> >> * Class-level and module-level fixtures
> >> * etc.
> >>
> >> Michael Foord was a primary developer and advocate of these
> >> improvements. Here is his description from 2011
> >> <URL:http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles/unittest2.shtml>.
> >>
> >> All those improvements, along with the wonderful author-defined Matchers
> >> in ?testtools? and the data-driven testing from ?testscenarios?, I
> >> virtually have no need of anything more than those.
> >>
> >> And they're easily accepted by my team, whereas switching to a different
> >> test framework would be (correctly) met with much more resistance.
> >>
> >> --
> >> \         ?Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they |
> >>  `\      themselves were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors |
> >> _o__)                        were dead and in Hell.? ?Henry L. Mencken |
> >> Ben Finney
> >>
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From javier at candeira.com  Fri Aug 23 06:21:41 2013
From: javier at candeira.com (Javier Candeira)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:21:41 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Melbourne Python Users Meeting - September 2,
 6PM - Inspire 9, 41 Stewart St
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Dear Melbourne Pythonistas,

Save the date: September 2, 6pm, Inspire 9, 41 Stewart St, Richmond.

Let me start with a reminder that we still have openings for short
talks for our September meeting. So put your best foot forward, and
put yourselves up for a presentation on your favourite library or
whatever Pythonic endeavour has lately taken your fancy. The wiki is
this way:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/MelbournePUG

As to the more meaty talks, here they are:

# Richard Jones -- Don't do this!

In which Richard will tell you about some things you should never
(probably ever) do to or in Python. Warranties may be voided.

# Ryan Kelly -- PyPy.js: towards a fast and compliant python shell for
your browser

Ryan says: "This talk will highlight my experiments in porting PyPy to
the web platform: the what, the how, and the
why-on-earth-would-you-do-that."

See you in 10 days!

Javier & the MPUG organisators.

From noonslists at gmail.com  Tue Aug 27 02:03:18 2013
From: noonslists at gmail.com (Noon Silk)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:03:18 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Tool to script builds and other such things
Message-ID: <CADt_azZ99+xOXXEM66LtheBgB6Hz4D6inL_ne5Hc-AUFnDwPWQ@mail.gmail.com>

What are people using for this?

Suppose I'd like to do things like:
  - Run python tests
  - Create python exes
  - Build arbitrary languages (say C++/C#/etc)
  - Perform arbitrary tasks.

SCons is good for perhaps the first one, but bad for the rest. NAnt is what
I use currently. A quick searching leads me to:
http://paver.github.io/paver/

I know I could also do things in perhaps make, cmake, or rake, to varying
degrees of goodness.

Notably, I want to be able to do this primarily on Windows, and optionally
on linux.

-- 
Noon Silk

Fancy a quantum lunch? https://sites.google.com/site/quantumlunch/

"Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy ? the joy
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From miked at dewhirst.com.au  Tue Aug 27 02:54:48 2013
From: miked at dewhirst.com.au (Mike Dewhirst)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:54:48 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Tool to script builds and other such things
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On 27/08/2013 10:03am, Noon Silk wrote:
> What are people using for this?
>
> Suppose I'd like to do things like:
>    - Run python tests

Windows: batch commands
Linux: Buildbot

>    - Create python exes

Windows: distutils and py2exe

>    - Build arbitrary languages (say C++/C#/etc)

Nah. Not since Python.

>    - Perform arbitrary tasks.

Windows: Python scripts and batch commands
Linux: Python scripts, shell scripts and Buildbot

>
> SCons is good for perhaps the first one, but bad for the rest. NAnt is
> what I use currently. A quick searching leads me to:
> http://paver.github.io/paver/
>
> I know I could also do things in perhaps make, cmake, or rake, to
> varying degrees of goodness.
>
> Notably, I want to be able to do this primarily on Windows, and
> optionally on linux.
>
> --
> Noon Silk
>
> Fancy a quantum lunch? https://sites.google.com/site/quantumlunch/
>
> "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy ? the joy
> of being this signature."
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> melbourne-pug at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
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From noonslists at gmail.com  Tue Aug 27 03:11:46 2013
From: noonslists at gmail.com (Noon Silk)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:11:46 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Tool to script builds and other such things
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On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Mike Dewhirst <miked at dewhirst.com.au>wrote:

> On 27/08/2013 10:03am, Noon Silk wrote:
>
>> What are people using for this?
>>
>> Suppose I'd like to do things like:
>>    - Run python tests
>>
>
> Windows: batch commands
> Linux: Buildbot
>

I should've mentioned that we're using jenkins to *run* the NAnt,
currently. The question is not how to replace arbitrary execution of build
scripts, but what system to write such build scripts (gluing build scripts)
in.

-- 
Noon Silk

Fancy a quantum lunch? https://sites.google.com/site/quantumlunch/

"Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy ? the joy
of being this signature."
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From miked at dewhirst.com.au  Tue Aug 27 03:45:18 2013
From: miked at dewhirst.com.au (Mike Dewhirst)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:45:18 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Tool to script builds and other such things
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On 27/08/2013 11:11am, Noon Silk wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Mike Dewhirst <miked at dewhirst.com.au
> <mailto:miked at dewhirst.com.au>> wrote:
>
>     On 27/08/2013 10:03am, Noon Silk wrote:
>
>         What are people using for this?
>
>         Suppose I'd like to do things like:
>             - Run python tests
>
>
>     Windows: batch commands
>     Linux: Buildbot
>
>
> I should've mentioned that we're using jenkins to *run* the NAnt,
> currently. The question is not how to replace arbitrary execution of
> build scripts, but what system to write such build scripts (gluing build
> scripts) in.

I should've also mentioned that Buildbot also works on Windows. It is 
Python all the way down - not that I'd look too deeply of course - but 
Jacob Kaplan-Moss did and here is a quote from his blog ...

"I?m treating Buildbot as a CI framework, not a a CI server that I?ve 
configured. Instead of just tweaking and tuning things, I?m subclassing 
liberally, overriding the parts that I don?t want and adding extra bits 
that I do.

And it?s working brilliantly."

http://jacobian.org/writing/buildbot/configuration-and-architecture/

>
> --
> Noon Silk
>
> Fancy a quantum lunch? https://sites.google.com/site/quantumlunch/
>
> "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy ? the joy
> of being this signature."
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From damian.heard at gmail.com  Tue Aug 27 12:16:28 2013
From: damian.heard at gmail.com (Damian Heard)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:16:28 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] melbourne-pug Digest, Vol 86, Issue 7
In-Reply-To: <mailman.69.1377597605.2701.melbourne-pug@python.org>
References: <mailman.69.1377597605.2701.melbourne-pug@python.org>
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Hi Noon,

Another one to throw into the mix 'cake'

http://sourceforge.net/projects/cake-build/

a python build system designed to replace make. It's built with multiprocessing in mind and definitely worth a look.

Regards,
Damian


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> What are people using for this?
> 
> Suppose I'd like to do things like:
>  - Run python tests
>  - Create python exes
>  - Build arbitrary languages (say C++/C#/etc)
>  - Perform arbitrary tasks.
> 
> SCons is good for perhaps the first one, but bad for the rest. NAnt is what
> I use currently. A quick searching leads me to:
> http://paver.github.io/paver/
> 
> I know I could also do things in perhaps make, cmake, or rake, to varying
> degrees of goodness.
> 
> Notably, I want to be able to do this primarily on Windows, and optionally
> on linux.
> 
> -- 
> Noon Silk
> 
> Fancy a quantum lunch? https://sites.google.com/site/quantumlunch/
> 
> "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy ? the joy
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> From: Mike Dewhirst <miked at dewhirst.com.au>
> To: Melbourne Python Users Group <melbourne-pug at python.org>
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> 
> On 27/08/2013 10:03am, Noon Silk wrote:
>> What are people using for this?
>> 
>> Suppose I'd like to do things like:
>>   - Run python tests
> 
> Windows: batch commands
> Linux: Buildbot
> 
>>   - Create python exes
> 
> Windows: distutils and py2exe
> 
>>   - Build arbitrary languages (say C++/C#/etc)
> 
> Nah. Not since Python.
> 
>>   - Perform arbitrary tasks.
> 
> Windows: Python scripts and batch commands
> Linux: Python scripts, shell scripts and Buildbot
> 
>> 
>> SCons is good for perhaps the first one, but bad for the rest. NAnt is
>> what I use currently. A quick searching leads me to:
>> http://paver.github.io/paver/
>> 
>> I know I could also do things in perhaps make, cmake, or rake, to
>> varying degrees of goodness.
>> 
>> Notably, I want to be able to do this primarily on Windows, and
>> optionally on linux.
>> 
>> --
>> Noon Silk
>> 
>> Fancy a quantum lunch? https://sites.google.com/site/quantumlunch/
>> 
>> "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy ? the joy
>> of being this signature."
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> melbourne-pug mailing list
>> melbourne-pug at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:11:46 +1000
> From: Noon Silk <noonslists at gmail.com>
> To: Melbourne Python Users Group <melbourne-pug at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Tool to script builds and other such
>    things
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> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Mike Dewhirst <miked at dewhirst.com.au>wrote:
> 
>> On 27/08/2013 10:03am, Noon Silk wrote:
>> 
>>> What are people using for this?
>>> 
>>> Suppose I'd like to do things like:
>>>   - Run python tests
>> 
>> Windows: batch commands
>> Linux: Buildbot
> 
> I should've mentioned that we're using jenkins to *run* the NAnt,
> currently. The question is not how to replace arbitrary execution of build
> scripts, but what system to write such build scripts (gluing build scripts)
> in.
> 
> -- 
> Noon Silk
> 
> Fancy a quantum lunch? https://sites.google.com/site/quantumlunch/
> 
> "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy ? the joy
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> On 27/08/2013 11:11am, Noon Silk wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Mike Dewhirst <miked at dewhirst.com.au
>> <mailto:miked at dewhirst.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>>    On 27/08/2013 10:03am, Noon Silk wrote:
>> 
>>        What are people using for this?
>> 
>>        Suppose I'd like to do things like:
>>            - Run python tests
>> 
>> 
>>    Windows: batch commands
>>    Linux: Buildbot
>> 
>> 
>> I should've mentioned that we're using jenkins to *run* the NAnt,
>> currently. The question is not how to replace arbitrary execution of
>> build scripts, but what system to write such build scripts (gluing build
>> scripts) in.
> 
> I should've also mentioned that Buildbot also works on Windows. It is 
> Python all the way down - not that I'd look too deeply of course - but 
> Jacob Kaplan-Moss did and here is a quote from his blog ...
> 
> "I?m treating Buildbot as a CI framework, not a a CI server that I?ve 
> configured. Instead of just tweaking and tuning things, I?m subclassing 
> liberally, overriding the parts that I don?t want and adding extra bits 
> that I do.
> 
> And it?s working brilliantly."
> 
> http://jacobian.org/writing/buildbot/configuration-and-architecture/
> 
>> 
>> --
>> Noon Silk
>> 
>> Fancy a quantum lunch? https://sites.google.com/site/quantumlunch/
>> 
>> "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy ? the joy
>> of being this signature."
>> 
>> 
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From hartror at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 01:39:43 2013
From: hartror at gmail.com (Rory Hart)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 09:39:43 +1000
Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python Web Developer Role (Brisbane)
Message-ID: <CADf+qJeh3vCZvkXDQjEnx3pat3qs=QCJD8GdVV3p-NDOASZBFg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks

The company I work for Biarri (http://www.biarri.com/) is looking for a
Python web dev in our Brisbane office.

Details of the role here:
http://careers.stackoverflow.com/jobs/39262/web-app-developer-to-join-dynamic-fast-paced-team-biarri-commercial?a=LSO6Mdpu

Thanks

Rory
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