From dempsey@magellancc.com Mon Dec 4 13:33:00 2000 From: dempsey@magellancc.com (Dempsey Mork) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 100 05:56:04 +0000 Subject: [meta-sig] Public Shell Comapny Message-ID: Bulletin Board shell company available for a reverse merger. The company is in total compliance and current in all its filings. I can close a merger and deliver free trading stock within days of completion of due diligence. If interested please email your name and phone number. Thank you, Dempsey Mork From jp_sc@yahoo.com Sun Dec 3 03:10:40 2000 From: jp_sc@yahoo.com (JP S-C) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 19:10:40 -0800 Subject: [meta-sig] Proposal: Access-Sig Message-ID: <3A29B9AF.6A0683BF@yahoo.com> Dear Meta-Sig, I lead Project Ocularis (http://ocularis.sourceforge.net), which is a volunteer-run free software project with the goal of making Linux and free software more accessible. We are working a bunch of things, but I am writing specifically to see if anyone is interested in (or according to the SIG Guidelines, if anyone is opposed to) the creation of an Access-SIG. Project Ocularis currently does a lot of programming Python, so the Access-SIG would deal with making Python more accessible, especially for the visually impaired. The most prominent mission of the SIG would be to find a way to express whitespace (tabs) in Python more clearly. Any thoughts? Thanks. Best Regards, --JP Schnapper-Casteras jpsc@users.sourceforge.net _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From gward@mems-exchange.org Mon Dec 4 14:34:31 2000 From: gward@mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:34:31 -0500 Subject: [meta-sig] Proposal: Access-Sig In-Reply-To: <3A29B9AF.6A0683BF@yahoo.com>; from jp_sc@yahoo.com on Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 07:10:40PM -0800 References: <3A29B9AF.6A0683BF@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20001204093430.A1880@ludwig.cnri.reston.va.us> On 02 December 2000, JP S-C said: > Project Ocularis currently does a lot of programming > Python, so the Access-SIG would deal with making Python more accessible, > especially for the visually impaired. The most prominent mission of the > SIG would be to find a way to express whitespace (tabs) in Python more > clearly. Any thoughts? Thanks. A worthy goal, but isn't this more an editor/IDE issue than a language issue? You're not going to get Python's syntax changed, that's for sure. And anyways, the standard response to all language issues nowadays is, "That's somethign for the IDE to address!". >grin< Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward@mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange / CNRI voice: +1-703-262-5376 Reston, Virginia, USA fax: +1-703-262-5367 From dempsey@magellancc.com Mon Dec 4 15:43:59 2000 From: dempsey@magellancc.com (Dempsey Mork) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 100 05:56:04 +0000 Subject: [meta-sig] Public Shell Comapny Message-ID: Bulletin Board shell company available for a reverse merger. The company is in total compliance and current in all its filings. I can close a merger and deliver free trading stock within days of completion of due diligence. If interested please email your name and phone number. Thank you, Dempsey Mork From jp_sc@yahoo.com Sun Dec 3 03:10:40 2000 From: jp_sc@yahoo.com (JP S-C) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 19:10:40 -0800 Subject: [meta-sig] Proposal: Access-Sig Message-ID: <3A29B9AF.6A0683BF@yahoo.com> Dear Meta-Sig, I lead Project Ocularis (http://ocularis.sourceforge.net), which is a volunteer-run free software project with the goal of making Linux and free software more accessible. We are working a bunch of things, but I am writing specifically to see if anyone is interested in (or according to the SIG Guidelines, if anyone is opposed to) the creation of an Access-SIG. Project Ocularis currently does a lot of programming Python, so the Access-SIG would deal with making Python more accessible, especially for the visually impaired. The most prominent mission of the SIG would be to find a way to express whitespace (tabs) in Python more clearly. Any thoughts? Thanks. Best Regards, --JP Schnapper-Casteras jpsc@users.sourceforge.net _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From gward@mems-exchange.org Mon Dec 4 14:34:31 2000 From: gward@mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:34:31 -0500 Subject: [meta-sig] Proposal: Access-Sig In-Reply-To: <3A29B9AF.6A0683BF@yahoo.com>; from jp_sc@yahoo.com on Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 07:10:40PM -0800 References: <3A29B9AF.6A0683BF@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20001204093430.A1880@ludwig.cnri.reston.va.us> On 02 December 2000, JP S-C said: > Project Ocularis currently does a lot of programming > Python, so the Access-SIG would deal with making Python more accessible, > especially for the visually impaired. The most prominent mission of the > SIG would be to find a way to express whitespace (tabs) in Python more > clearly. Any thoughts? Thanks. A worthy goal, but isn't this more an editor/IDE issue than a language issue? You're not going to get Python's syntax changed, that's for sure. And anyways, the standard response to all language issues nowadays is, "That's somethign for the IDE to address!". >grin< Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward@mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange / CNRI voice: +1-703-262-5376 Reston, Virginia, USA fax: +1-703-262-5367 From gward@mems-exchange.org Mon Dec 4 20:18:49 2000 From: gward@mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:18:49 -0500 Subject: [meta-sig] Proposal: Access-Sig In-Reply-To: <20001204200934.13453.qmail@web2205.mail.yahoo.com>; from jp_sc@yahoo.com on Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 12:09:34PM -0800 References: <20001204200934.13453.qmail@web2205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20001204151848.G1880@ludwig.cnri.reston.va.us> On 04 December 2000, JP S-C said: > Thanks for replying so quickly. You are right, > it is not a language issue in the sense that the > syntax needs to be changed. But I thought it might be > SIG worthy. Have IDE's been separated from Python and > Python SIG's? (I noticed that progenv-sig > [http://www.python.org/sigs/progenv-sig/] , the > Programming Environment SIG is retired.) Probably your best bet is to contribute to an existing Python IDE. IDLE is the obvious choice, since it's open source. You should probably join the idle-dev list if you want to hack on IDLE. See also idlefork.sourceforge.net for (presumably) more up-to-date code. Of course, there's also Pythonware and ActivePython. I believe they're both commercial and closed-source, so it's unlikely that you'd be able to hack on the code. I have no idea what other free Python IDEs there are out there, but I suspect you (and the whole community) would be better off modifying one of them rather than starting a new one. Greg From jpsc@users.sourceforge.net Mon Dec 4 20:09:34 2000 From: jpsc@users.sourceforge.net (JP S-C) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:09:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [meta-sig] Proposal: Access-Sig Message-ID: <20001204200934.13453.qmail@web2205.mail.yahoo.com> --- Greg Ward wrote: > A worthy goal, but isn't this more an editor/IDE > issue than a language issue? You're not going to get > Python's syntax changed, that's for sure. And > anyways, the standard response to all language issues > nowadays is, "That's something for the IDE to > address!". >grin< Thanks for replying so quickly. You are right, it is not a language issue in the sense that the syntax needs to be changed. But I thought it might be SIG worthy. Have IDE's been separated from Python and Python SIG's? (I noticed that progenv-sig [http://www.python.org/sigs/progenv-sig/] , the Programming Environment SIG is retired.) Would anyone involed in Python be interested in developing a simple IDE that audibly expresses tabs/whitespace. Do you think Python would officially endorse or support such an IDE (as they do IDLE) or perhaps include it in the Python package? I think that this would really be crucial to its success. Cheers, --JP __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From akuchlin@mems-exchange.org Mon Dec 4 20:49:09 2000 From: akuchlin@mems-exchange.org (Andrew Kuchling) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:49:09 -0500 Subject: [meta-sig] Proposal: Access-Sig In-Reply-To: <20001204151848.G1880@ludwig.cnri.reston.va.us>; from gward@mems-exchange.org on Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 03:18:49PM -0500 References: <20001204200934.13453.qmail@web2205.mail.yahoo.com> <20001204151848.G1880@ludwig.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <20001204154909.A9482@kronos.cnri.reston.va.us> On Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 03:18:49PM -0500, Greg Ward wrote: >I have no idea what other free Python IDEs there are out there, but I >suspect you (and the whole community) would be better off modifying one >of them rather than starting a new one. Emacspeak is another possibility: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/Info/People/raman/emacspeak/ . There is an emacspeak-python.el file in the source distribution; perhaps it's python-mode modified for audio? --amk