[meta-sig] Re: [Python-Dev] SIG: python-lang
Wed, 31 May 2000 14:32:59 -0400
Jeremy Hylton wrote:
> >>>>> "PP" == Paul Prescod <email@example.com> writes:
> PP> Well, you admit that yhou don't read python-list, right? Most of
> PP> us don't, most of the time. Instead we have important
> PP> discussions about the language's future on python-dev, where
> PP> most of the Python community cannot participate. I'll say it
> PP> flat out: I'm uncomfortable with that. I did not include
> PP> meta-sig because (or python-list) because my issue is really
> PP> with the accidental elitism of the python-dev setup. If
> PP> python-dev participants do not agree to have important
> PP> linguistic discussions in an open forum then setting up the
> PP> forum is a waste of time. That's why I'm feeling people here out
> PP> first.
> I agree that there is a problem, but I don't think we'll do any good
> by setting up another list. There are two parts to the problem.
> First, we may exclude some people from participating in useful
> discussions. Second, we miss out on discussions that do take place on
> I'm actually more worried about the second. It's been a while since I
> read c.l.py and I'm occasionally disappointed to miss out on
> seemingly interesting threads. On the other hand, there is no way I
> could manage to read or even filter the volume on that list.
I'm even worse. I don't even have time to filter Python-Dev. :(
(I just bought more memory for my Palm so that I can download
the archives and read them in spare moments ..... Waaaaaa)
> I would welcome a solution that made it easier for people to take
> occasional sips of c.l.py instead of drinking from the firehose.
> Thinking out loud: Perhaps a moderated mailing list that represents
> the python-dev- filtered version of the regular conversation. If the
> moderation could be distributed efficiently over many people, it might
> work. Perhaps some variant of Ping's issue tracker could be used to
> track interesting threads.
I'm extremely hopeful about something called Wiki. Rather than
being based on a model of threaded discusssions, which tend to
become overwhelming. With limited time, it's really hard, at least
for me, to extract the signal from the noize in a large thread.
Wiki is based on shared colaboratively
written documents. See http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki and
http://joyful.com/zwiki/FrontPage. There are alot of Wiki
implementations and we are working pretty hard to make Zope's
(ZWiki, a Wiki clone written by Simon Michael, who, BTW, is
not a DC employee :) one of the best. We are doing this because we
are relying heavily on Wikis to coordinate Zope development
It's wild and wacky, but amazingly productive (although
it can be improved and will be). Check it out.
I think that Wikis could help the Python community alot.
It's at least something to keep an eye on.
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