[meta-sig] [Edu-sig] Proposal: CP4E-sig

Guido van Rossum guido at python.org
Thu Jul 19 00:55:37 CEST 2007

The list description is 7 years out of date, as *my* CP4E project
ended when I left CNRI. And *my* CP4E project was certainly not
intended to be political (in fact, the DARPA politics around funding
made me abandon it).

Feel free to petition the creation of an edu-politics at python.org list.
Further discussion of this topic should be moved to meta-sig, the sig
to discuss lists. (Added to the CC list.)

But please don't steal my CP4E moniker.

FWIW, the no-politics ban was long overdue. The archives show it. And
please show me where the edu-sig homepage (which is much more
informative than the mailman description) mentions politics.


On 7/18/07, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:
> Note:  I think it'll be confusing for newcomers to read the
> following, and then encounter a strict "no politics" ban,
> only recently instituted and not spelled out on any
> python.org web page to date:
> ===
> About Edu-sig
> English (USA)
> This list is the starting point for a community around the
> Computer Programming for Everybody (CP4E) project,
> and a general meeting place for educators interested in
> teaching Python.
> Currently the best description of CP4E is in the DARPA
> proposal that generated the initial funding.
> See also the edu-sig homepage.
> To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the
> Edu-sig Archives.
> ===
> edu-sig has always been political (check the archives)
> and as the text above makes clear, has indeed been
> focussed on CP4E (I think very productively).
> This move to suppress political content and refocus the
> list is a departure from the status quo.
> I'd like to see this list renamed to cp4e-sig so it might
> keep its integrity and focus, while those with no stomach
> for politics start their own (possibly heavily moderated)
> group.  They could even call it edu-sig.  But we keep the
> archives and go forward as cp4e-sig, in alignment with
> the original mission statement and focus.
> Until such time as we've expunged all mention of CP4E
> from the current list's description, I think we should leave
> it to the list owner, Timothy Wilson, to perform any
> moderating duties, which might included quietly warning
> newcomers about the new rules.  That's his job.  Guido
> is just another subscriber here and shouldn't be forced
> into performing duties he's not signed up for.  That'll just
> be confusing to everyone.
> Kirby
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