[Moin-user] Page name is not longer the headline in the page in version 1.5.1

solo turn soloturn at gmail.com
Tue Jan 24 22:11:02 EST 2006

i'd prefer to have a less "wasteful" heading area back. also the logo
does not haven an "alt" text which would be important for blind

currently i find the 3-4 line "heading" quite unhandy, spacy, and the
information difficult to see. even if i do not have an immediate idea
how to improve it.

we have:
- user line
- titel line
- trail line
- wiki line
- page line
(- and a predefined structure, or menu line if you want to structure context)
- and then there is the titel

and you are on the bottom of the screen and do not see any information :)

i do not think putting information on the side is a solution, as this
even takes more space away (as in wikimedia). maybe automatically
opening menus would be an option? or this does not for lynx?


On 1/23/06, Thomas Waldmann <tw-public at gmx.de> wrote:
> > I have just upgraded to version 1.5.1 and want to ask if I am able to
> > restore an old behaviour. Up to now the page name was written inside the
> > page contents as a kind of a header. Now it is written at the absolute top
> > of the page above all the menues / links. Most of our Wiki pages now don't
> > have any header (as we were used to accept the page name as the header) and
> > the text seems to glue directly to the top menues.
> >
> > Is there any way to restore the old way?
> You would have to modify the theme to render the page_name in the
> content area. Please read the stuff below before you do.
> Maybe just consider just adding senseful
> = what ever =
> headlines to your content.
> Although it has a small drawback, I did this change intentionally to
> have a better and more flexible behaviour of moin (and to separate
> metadata [like technical page name] from content).
> In the past, this was differently handled by the themes. Some rendered
> the page name in the header (like now, but mis-using h1 for it), some
> (like modern) rendered them like it was a content headline.
> Some people then wanted some meta-tag to "override" the modern headline
> to have some nicer / different headline there. And another metatag to
> switch it off to be free to render what they want at the top. There was
> even a patch for that.
> Well, after some thinking about that stuff, I came to conclusion that
> this was simply done wrong until now and that the patch would make it
> rather more complicated than easier, introducing new meta keywords etc.
> Thus I simply chose the way you see now:
>   * content is the only thing rendered in content area, no artificially
> added h1 with the pagename (maybe except that last-edited string at
> bottom right, but we maybe move that to a separate div, too)
>   * you can put anything you want at top of the page:
>    * nothing
>    * = PageName =
>    * = something more verbose than the pagename =
>    * attachment:logo.png for a nice logo or banner at top of the page
>    * a table with navigation and the first headline after it
>   * the level of the headline now directly corresponds to the html tag
>    * h1 is = xxx =
>    * h2 is == xxx ==
>   * the pagename display in the header is part of the location
> breadcrumbs, so it doesn't need to be repeated for that purpose
> So you see: quite some advantages and cleanup versus 1 disadvantage
> (change of behaviour). If one ever knew such stuff in advance, one would
> start with it at v0.1, not v1.5. :)
> BTW, would a script (putting = PageName = on every page) help you?
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