[Moin-user] moin 1.9 - new deployment and new docs

[Sebastian Haase]

Hi,
hoping that this is not off-topic - short question: if moin would run
as a WSGI app - will this help to somehow integrate a moin wiki into
an existing environment of Django applications ?
I guess I'm also thinking about user / login management and authentication ....

Thanks,
Sebastian Haase


On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Thomas Waldmann <tw-public at gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> Just curious, what features are planned for Moin 1.9?
>
> In 1.9 we integrate the Summer of Code 2008 project of Florian Krupicka
> (mentor: Armin Ronacher), which was about refactoring the moin core to
> be a WSGI application (see http://wsgi.org/ ).
>
> The new code replaces the previous request.* and server.* packages
> within moin and the server adaptor scripts (all that existed to support
> different types of servers like cgi, fastcgi, mod_python, twisted, ...)
> with a core that just talks WSGI.
>
> This will simplify maintenance and debugging of the moin code, because
> everyone will (as far as moin is concerned) use the same WSGI code.
>
> Some (python) servers meanwhile directly speak WSGI to python web apps,
> some other servers (like apache) have wsgi support modules (mod_wsgi is
> really great).
>
> Other servers that do not (yet) support WSGI, will be supported by some
> 3rd party code we bundle with moin (flup and wsgiref code will support
> cgi, fastcgi, scgi (new), ajp (new) and standalone).
>
> mod_python support was dropped (it was a constant source of troubles and
> no moin developer used it, so we are rather relieved about not having to
> support it any more). For apache users mod_wsgi is a great replacement
> of mod_python, that works far better, more secure and more comfortable.
>
> Twisted support: we currently have nothing special for Twisted in moin
> 1.9. Maybe someone from the Twisted community can help us with this if
> they need more than a moin WSGI app. I guess it could be done as a
> generic Twisted -> WSGI middleware as flup does it for other servers.
>
> Other servers: there is lots of activity in the python world to support
> WSGI. So if you don't see your server supported (and you also don't want
> to run CGI, that should work for every server), just browse through the
> wsgi.org site and use google - maybe someone already has written some
> nice middleware.
>
> Docs: as you can imagine, the install docs need major changes due to
> this. I already killed all old (en and de) install docs and server
> specifics from the master19 wiki. They soon will be replaced by new
> docs.
>
> In the new docs, there will be some fundamental changes:
>  * we will concrentrate on documenting moin (not web server
> configuration, not server administration, not generic operating system
> usage)
>  * we will broadly document one kind of "easy, 5mins installation" of
> moin - this is for desktop users, users in a hurry, moin newbies and for
> users without (web) server admin knowledge. We already have that for
> Linux, still searching someone doing it for Windows and Mac OS X.
>  * for all other "server class" stuff, we will require server admin
> knowledge and that for stuff like Linux, Apache, lighttpd, mod_wsgi,
> flup, etc. you will just have to read THEIR docs. We'll briefly describe
> the moin specifics and requirements.
>
> We hope that we get some support from the moin community with testing
> and improving of the new docs, so that users will be more satisfied with
> our docs in future.
>
> Language maintainers that did not yet remove the old install docs:
> please do so (see the english pages).
>
>
>
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