[moin-user] When MoinMoin 2 wick be released?

Robert Hawkins rbh at neohawk.org
Sun Jan 24 14:45:22 EST 2021


Thanks Paul,

I found the info I was looking for on moin20-readthedocs.io  Moin2 does
support phython3 although I could only install it via git,
PIP did not work for me. I am now working through what is documented there:
https://moin-20.readthedocs.io/en/latest/admin/install.html
It kinda looks like the moinmo.in site just is outdated because there it
seemed to imply moin2 then python3 support. Clearly that is
not the case anymore so that's cool.




On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 2:36 PM Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> wrote:

> On Sunday, 24 January 2021 20:12:04 CET Robert Hawkins wrote:
> > Related but a bigger question, and I apologize in advance for my
> ignorance
> > because my questions may show it.
>
> There's no need to apologise: I think that some of the answers to your
> questions are perhaps only obvious to those who are familiar with the
> development of this project. And for wider Python matters, as someone who
> kept
> up with Python core development and all the strategic deliberations for
> many
> years, I just cannot find the motivation to keep up with it all any more.
>
> > I used moin many years ago and recently decided to create a wiki for a
> > personal project so naturally reached for moin (no code repository or
> issue
> > tracking required so trac is overkill).
> > I noticed that moin is dependent on python2 which I recently discovered
> > reached its end of life last year (like I said it's been a while)
>
> Yes, Python 2 is officially unsupported by the core developers, although
> certain distributions (like Red Hat Enterprise Linux and various
> derivatives)
> will support it for a few more years. Interestingly, Debian uses Moin
> publicly, but I haven't looked into their approach to supporting Moin in
> their
> packaging system, which I guess would be of interest to them.
>
> > Yesterday, it was announced that PIP no longer supports python2. Looking
> at
> > the roadmap on moinmo.in it seems that moin2 (which appears to be a
> > precursor to python3) support isn't complete. I am guessing therefore
> > python3 is not on the radar or is the roadmap simply not updated and
> moin2
> > will be python3?
>
> Support for Python 2 in pip is probably no longer there, given the
> constant
> nagging that the tool has been doing for quite some time (which is purely
> annoying given that anyone using pip with Python 2 these days is likely to
> be
> fully aware that Python 2 has been cast aside and will not need the scary
> message broadcast at them constantly). So, unfortunately, Python 2 is
> looking
> less viable as a deployment platform for any version of Moin, even if
> there
> are people still willing to use Python 2 (as I do for various projects).
>
> My understanding was that Moin 2 would be using Python 3, but you would
> have
> to get someone more interested in developing Moin 2 to say what the actual
> situation is. My recollection is that Moin 2 required a lot of third-party
> modules that were most conveniently installed using pip (and whichever
> virtual
> environment system that happens to be favoured at any given moment:
> virtualenv, venv, and so on).
>
> > And do you have an ETA? or should I simply be looking to use something
> > else? (ruby? django?)  Either way is fine, but I'd prefer to go Moin
> > if possible (sorry, I just like it)
>
> I like Moin, too, although deploying it becomes less attractive due to the
> maintenance burden: handling registration and spam attempts, dealing with
> software breakage, and so on.
>
> Paul
>
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