[Neuroimaging] When to use neurostars, and when not to

Satrajit Ghosh satra at mit.edu
Thu Aug 27 03:32:32 CEST 2015

hi eleftherios,

i will address the neurostars settings issue. we can definitely change the
settings such that 'trusted' is turned off (i didn't realize that was being
used), and we can also consider not displaying any points (that was not the
intent of the site). it may take a few iterations to ensure no one else has
any objections. biostars is also part of a community effort, so please put
this in the issues there as well.



On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Eleftherios Garyfallidis <
garyfallidis at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> My initial personal point of view was to use one mailing list both for
> users and developers. That is neuroimaging at python.org (previously
> nipy-devel...)
> Then I saw that this list was not attracting enough questions. This is
> probably because we didn't promote this list enough. And maybe that
> should have been the first thing to do. Which we clearly didn't do.
> Then I thought okay the neuroimaging at python.org list is for developers
> and expert users and neurostars.org
> is for users who don't want to touch development and need feedback.
> But I have to say that there are some features in neurostars which can be
> dangerous. One of them is that people who answer questions get
> different status and reputation points. For example, the status of the
> person answering often says "trusted". This is misleading information.
> I think we need to be smarter here. There are no experts. We are research
> projects. We want a community which does not promote
> expertise but promotes understanding and good scientific practice. The
> focus of neurostars should be exactly that.
> I see that neurostars is still in a beta and I am wondering if we can
> change some of its settings.
> It is true that neurostars has attracted very quickly a relatively large
> audience. So, I am not sure if we should stop using it or not. But I will
> suggest something different.
> Can we continue using Neurostars with some different setup so that it
> promotes more understanding/discussion rather than expertise?
> To be more clear. Here is a summary of the important problems that
> StackOverflow has which also Neurostars can potentially have:
> This is from
> http://michael.richter.name/blogs/awhy-i-no-longer-contribute-to-stackoverflow
> which was posted previously in this thread. Thanx for
> posting this.
> The problems with StackOverflow are summarized in this list:
>    1. Poor pedagogy
>    2. Poor reward system
>    3. Poor community
> If we can change/block some of the functionality of neurostars maybe we
> can avoid those issues and build a strong community.
> If not then maybe we should consider using the current mailing list.
> I would like also to remind that we made nipy.org to reach a much higher
> level of community participation. So, please don't take
> this lightly. If we can improve neurostars to reach that goal we shall do
> it. If that is not possible with this technology then maybe
> just continue using what we currently have. I mean the list.
> So who are the stars in Neurostars? If the stars are the experts (us). Not
> very interesting. If the stars is everyone who helps in improving
> understanding and learning without looking for credits and points then
> this is much more interesting. Is there a way to promote this
> direction more?
> Also about something else. Because neurostars has become quite popular I
> think it will be difficult to do what Matthew says. Forward traffic in the
> mailing list.
> I am afraid we are past that point. Or we will have to do that in
> coordination for a long time. So, maybe improve what we have is the way to
> go.
> Sorry for the long e-mail. Let me know what you think. I hope this was
> helpful in some way.
> Best regards,
> Eleftherios
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Michael Hanke <michael.hanke at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hey,
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Matthew Brett <matthew.brett at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> For the communities - it's surely reasonable to refer questions to the
>> chosen forum of the project - for example, I think I'm right in saying
>>> there's no controversy that nipype wants user questions to neurostars.
>>>   I guess it's more complex to direct people who have more general
>>> neuroimaging questions.
>> Not just that. For nipype, imagine a user sees that the package install
>> fails. _I_ don't want
>> them to go to neurostars -- even if nipype wants that. I want that bug,
>> because it is fairly clear that _I_ should deal with
>> it. I can do that better and quicker, if there is a single forum (or even
>> better a bug tracker) for all these bugs
>> -- regardless of the actual software in question. For everything else, I
>> prefer a pass-through of some
>> kind that neither burdens me, nor the user.
>> Michael
>> --
>> Michael Hanke
>> http://mih.voxindeserto.de
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