[Numpy-discussion] matrix wart

[Travis E. Oliphant]

Alan G Isaac wrote:
>
>> stop believing that M[0][0] and M[0,0] should return the 
>> same thing.   There is nothing in Python that requires 
>> this. 
>>     
>
> I never suggested there is.
> My question "how to guess?" does not imply that.
>
> My point is: the matrix object could have more intuitive 
> behavior with no loss of functionality.
>
>   
Do I understand correctly, that by intuitive you mean based on 
experience with lists, and NumPy arrays?    I agree, it is very valuable 
to be able to use previous understanding to navigate a new thing.  
That's a big part of why I could see changing the matrix object in 1.1 
to behave as you described in your previous post:  where M[i] returned a 
1-d array and matrices were returned with 2-d (slice-involved) indexing 
(I would not mind M[0,0] to still return a scalar, however). 

-Travis