[Numpy-discussion] ANN: NumPy 1.2.0

[Charles R Harris]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Robert Kern <robert.kern at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 13:07, Charles R Harris
> <charlesr.harris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Robert Kern <robert.kern at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:40, Charles R Harris
> >> <charlesr.harris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Robert Kern <robert.kern at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:30, Charles R Harris
> >> >> <charlesr.harris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Robert Kern <
> robert.kern at gmail.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >> When is -OO ever used for running tests? The assert statement is
> >> >> >> used
> >> >> >> for tests under nose.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > When it is the default on windows platforms. There was a ticket..
> >> >>
> >> >> I see #893, which talks about when -OO is used explicitly and when
> >> >> numpy is part of a py2exe application. This does not refer to any
> >> >> default configuration on Windows platforms.
> >> >
> >> > Let's put it this way, if the tests were consistent with assert then
> >> > they
> >> > couldn't be run with the -OO option. If they *can* be run with the -OO
> >> > option then they had better run correctly.
> >>
> >> I'm afraid that I don't understand what you are referring to.
> >
> > Asserts are transparent. If they go away, programs containing asserts
> should
> > still run correctly. It's like bounds checking in array references, say
> in
> > the std::vector class. If compiled with -DNODEBUG, the programs still
> run.
> > Programs shouldn't use asserts for non-debugging purposes, they should
> raise
> > real exceptions. If you think the numpy tests are essentially debugging
> > tests, then they should all disappear when run with the -OO option, i.e.,
> > nose should do nothing. If nose wants to make that change, that is fine
> with
> > me. But as is, incorrect failures may be reported and that is an error.
>
> What failures?
>

Read the ticket. And if a test incorrectly passes, that is also an error.
Wrong is wrong, programming ain't philosophy.

Chuck
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