[Numpy-discussion] PSF GSoC 2010 (Py3K focus)

josef.pktd at gmail.com josef.pktd at gmail.com
Tue Mar 9 13:24:29 EST 2010

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Pauli Virtanen <pav+sp at iki.fi> wrote:
> Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:39:00 -0700, Charles R Harris wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Jarrod Millman
>> <millman at berkeley.edu>wrote:
>> > I added Titus' email regarding the PSF's focus on Py3K-related
>> > projects to our SoC ideas wiki page:
>> > http://projects.scipy.org/scipy/wiki/SummerofCodeIdeas
>> >
>> > Given Titus' email, this is the most likely list of projects we will
>> > get accepted this year:
>> >
>> > - finish porting NumPy to Py3K
>> I think Numpy is pretty much done. It needs use testing to wring out any
>> small oddities, but it doesn't look to me like a GSOC project at the
>> moment. Maybe Pauli can weigh in here.
> I think it's pretty much done. Even f2py should work. What's left is
> mostly testing it, and fixing any issues that crop up.
> Note that the SVN Numpy should preferably still see more testing on
> Python 2 against real-world packages that use it, before release. There's
> been a significant amount of code churn.
>>> - port SciPy to Py3K
>> This project might be more appropriate, although I'm not clear on what
>> needs to be done.
> I think porting Scipy proceeds in these steps:
> 1. Set up a similar 2to3-using build system for Python 3 as currently in
>   Numpy.
> 2. Change the code so that it works both on Python 2 and Python 3.
>   This can be done one submodule at a time.
>   For C code, the changes required are mainly PyString usage. Some macros
>   need to be defined to allow the same code to build on Py2 and Py3.
>   Scipy is probably easier to port than Numpy here, since IIRC it doesn't
>   mess much with strings, and its use of the Python C-API is much more
>   limited. Also, parts written with Cython need essentially no porting.
>   For Python code, the main issue is again bytes vs. unicode fixes,
>   mainly inserting numpy.compat.asbytes() at correct locations to make
>   e.g. bytes literals. All I/O code should be changed to work solely with
>   Bytes. Since 2to3 takes care of most the other things, the remaining
>   work is in fixing things it mishandles.
> I don't have a good estimate for how much work is in making Scipy work.
> I'd guess the work needed is probably slightly less than for Numpy.

a few questions:

Is scipy.special difficult or time consuming to port?
In the build system, is it possible not to build some subpackages that
might be slow in being ported, e.g. ndimage, weave?
Is there a good utility script to check dependencies between
subpackages? (import scipy.stats loads a very large number of modules)

>>> import sys
>>> len(sys.modules)
>>> import numpy
>>> len(sys.modules)
>>> import scipy
>>> len(sys.modules)
>>> import scipy.stats
>>> len(sys.modules)


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